[00:01] <ailo_> astraljava, I suppose to offer a system perfectly tuned towards multimedia. And that has been the case with some of the release, but not all
[00:02] <astraljava> ailo_: Yeah, but all the tweaks could be written into packages (via postinsts etc.), such as removing NetworkManager and the like.
[00:02] <ailo_> astraljava, That's true
[00:03] <astraljava> There's only one thing that comes to mind; if the intended machine will not be connected to Internet, so you can download most everything you will need in one file.
[00:03] <astraljava> In exactly how many cases will this materialize?
[00:03] <astraljava> No one knows.
[00:04] <ailo_> It is becoming less and less common for people not to have Internet for sure. But, then there's the live image variant, which can be very useful too
[00:06] <ailo_> I wonder how much resources the awn together with XFCE takes compared to Unity or Gnome3
[00:06] <astraljava> I guess. I have a hard time figuring out a session where you've loaded the whole OS into RAM, and then start recording/processing/whatever.  You would use the existing hard drive or an external one
[00:07] <ailo_> But, loading apps into RAM is what you do either way
[00:07] <ailo_> And it works just as well, only loading the apps is slower
[00:07] <ailo_> From CD especially, it's slower to load tha apps
[00:08] <astraljava> ailo_: Of course, but the data doesn't go directly to the disk without running through RAM first,  or does it?
[00:08] <astraljava> ailo_: I guess you're right, it shouldn't be any different.
[00:08] <ailo_> astraljava, I believe the OS runs pretty much identically, only that it reads programs from the live image when it loads, so it takes longer time
[00:09] <ailo_> But running them is the same
[00:09] <astraljava> Yep, don't know what I was thinking. :)
[00:09] <ailo_> puredyne has a persistant live image, which you can create users on, and even install programs.
[00:09] <ailo_> Using usb stick that is
[00:09] <ailo_> It's really handy
[00:10] <ailo_> You can bring your own system to any other machine
[00:10] <astraljava> Yeah, never used but am aware. That's pretty nifty.
[00:12] <ailo_> I used puredyne 911 as a live machine. Installed on hard drive. XFCE. The rt kernel from karmic. A very nice system
[00:12] <ailo_> The live image comes in two sizes. CD and DVD
[00:13] <ailo_> So, you have all the combinations you can think of
[00:16] <ailo_> I would probably use the Puredyne live image creation as the base for an Ubuntu Studio live image
[02:19] <Kokito> howdy
[02:23]  * Kokito is listening to Santana while shredding old useless documents
[02:36] <ScottL> astraljava, one of the benefits of providing an install ISO for ubuntu studio is what we choose to exclude :)
[02:37] <ScottL> oh, i see someone pointed this out
[02:38] <ScottL> holstein, i just read in LXF that even though gnome3 has a fallback option to gnome panel, it is configured to behave like gnome shell
[02:38] <ScottL> so, this means yes, we could try to default to gnome panel that is included with gnome 3 but it will still perform and look like gnome 3 without the 3d acceleration
[04:11] <holstein> ScottL: yeah
[04:11] <holstein> thats what im thinking
[04:11] <holstein> im looking for the option on the live CD i have
[04:11] <holstein> i'll have to get a new live CD though
[15:57] <holstein> ScottL: chkontros?
[15:58] <holstein> ckontros?
[15:59] <astraljava> It's only 11 am, he can't possibly be up yet. *grin*
[15:59] <holstein> hehe
[15:59] <holstein> astraljava: is it chontos?
[16:00] <holstein> chontros
[16:00] <astraljava> ckontros, and he's not even on the channel.
[16:00] <astraljava> holstein: What do you use for IRC?
[16:00] <holstein> astraljava: yeah, thats why i cant remember his nick ;)
[16:00] <holstein> astraljava: i have irssi in screen
[16:01] <astraljava> Okay, so you should have nick completion in tab.
[16:01] <astraljava> Very useful to tell whether someone's on channel or not, as irssi doesn't show joined nicks by default.
[16:03] <holstein> astraljava: yeah
[16:03] <holstein> im not looking for him
[16:03] <holstein> i want to refer to him in an email
[16:03] <holstein> and couldnt remember the nick
[16:03] <astraljava> Ahh... sorry. :)
[16:04] <holstein> no worries
[16:04] <holstein> i wasnt clear about it ;)
[16:04] <astraljava> Yeah it's ckontros, c for Cory.
[16:35] <astraljava> holstein: Trimming is recommended. :)
[16:36] <holstein> trimming?
[16:36] <holstein> i thought maybe i had accidentally sent that long, bitchy email i composed
[16:36] <holstein> to the mailing list ;)
[16:38] <astraljava> No I mean when responding to others' posts, scrap the irrelevant portion.
[16:38] <astraljava> :)
[16:39] <holstein> astraljava: i thought i had
[16:39] <astraljava> When there's 257 lines in the post, it becomes tiresome checking it all for content.
[16:39] <holstein> or, i thought it was not shown
[16:40] <astraljava> gmail?
[16:40] <holstein> it just shows up and 'quoted text' for me
[16:40] <holstein> yeah
[16:40] <astraljava> Yeah.
[16:40] <holstein> that thread is ridiculous anyways
[16:40] <holstein> thats it for me
[16:40] <astraljava> It doesn't show it to you, but it will still be sent.
[16:40] <astraljava> Yeah I agree it got out of hand.
[16:41] <holstein> its just emotional
[16:41] <holstein> which is good in a way
[16:41] <holstein> even that last one
[16:41] <holstein> 'i dont know what XFCE is, but..'
[16:41] <holstein> its like, go Fn look
[16:41] <astraljava> That's partly true, but...
[16:41] <holstein> theres xubuntu and puredyne
[16:42] <astraljava> Yeah exactly.
[16:42] <holstein> and that other hard-on
[16:42] <holstein> that was like 5 or 6 back and forth threads
[16:42] <holstein> and then, "OH, i thought we were talking about LXDE'
[16:42] <astraljava> Haha! Yeah cracked me up.  :) People are allowed to have opinions. :)
[16:45] <holstein> hehe
[17:15] <ScottL> oi, i'm here
[17:16] <ScottL> i find the "we're changing to xfce" thread to be wearing thin on my patience
[17:19] <astraljava> Maybe let it die already? :)
[17:20] <ScottL> yes, you are right astraljava
[17:21] <astraljava> But in hindsight, maybe Cory should have mentioned Gnome2 going away? Might have dismissed many who now nag about not using that.
[17:21] <astraljava> Or GNOME 2, whatever.
[17:22] <ScottL> yes, that would have helped quite a bit too ;)
[17:22] <ScottL> but it would be helpful if people would read the rest of the thread to see if there is other information
[17:23] <astraljava> Yeah, mailing list etiquette is lost on so many of us.
[17:23] <ScottL> or if they would provide something tangible to argue against using xfce
[17:24] <ScottL> i really welcome ANY information, pro or con
[17:24] <ScottL> it would give us _some_ basis
[17:24] <astraljava> Mostly people are just not comfortable for leaving something they have used for a long time.
[17:26] <astraljava> Oh crap, did we have the meeting soon?!
[17:34] <ScottL> oh....
[17:35] <ScottL> i think we missed it :/
[17:35] <ScottL> lol, i'm a bad lead :(
[17:37] <astraljava> No no, wasn't it 17:00 UTC?
[17:37] <astraljava> In less than half an hour.
[17:43] <ScottL> eh, i thought it was 1.75 hours ago, but either way we don't have a published agenda :(
[17:44] <astraljava> Ahh... true.
[18:10] <holstein> ScottL: dood
[18:10] <holstein> i had a long message like that earlier
[18:10] <holstein> that i deleted
[18:10] <holstein> im *so* glad that went out :)
[18:11] <holstein> astraljava: i agree
[18:11] <holstein> we could have announced it better probably
[18:11] <holstein> however, there are threads with that information in them
[18:29] <astraljava> holstein: True, but most people only see the official statement, and neglect to read the rest of the conversation.
[18:30] <astraljava> Okay I'll be watching hockey for a while now, maybe see ya later.
[19:02] <ScottL> holstein, you mean the post where i explained the reasons again?
[19:06] <Kokito> howdy
[19:09] <ScottL> hi Kokito
[19:10] <Kokito> sorry that I missed the meeting
[19:10] <ScottL> we didn't really have a meeting, its been overshadowed by the "we're moving to xfce" thread i fear
[19:11] <ScottL> i think it made everyone forget the meeting ;)
[19:11] <ScottL>
[19:11] <Kokito> ouch
[19:11] <ScottL> i could have handled some of the emails better
[19:12] <ScottL> i realize that i probably should have simply responded by acknowledging their position (xfce=bad) and then ask if they can provide more information
[19:12] <Kokito> I thought you showed a lot of patience
[19:13] <ScottL> lol, Kokito , thank you but i fear you are being gracious with that adjective :P
[19:14] <ScottL> i tend to be very objective orientated with points and conterpoints and very direct engagement
[19:14] <ScottL> i have a point to discussing and i want you to attack my position with logic and reason
[19:14] <ScottL> i score "major" points with my wife you can probably guess ;)
[19:14] <Kokito> :)
[19:18] <ScottL> Kokito, since you are here, how is the website going?
[19:18] <ScottL> oh, i'll probably do an apology email later on about this whole xfce thing, apologizing for not explaining it well originally and how i reacted by getting short with people
[19:20] <ScottL> Stuzz from #opensourcemusicians helped me with some drums:  http://tinyurl.com/Braaiinnzzz
[19:20] <holstein> ScottL: thats nice :)
[19:20] <holstein> * the track
[19:23] <Kokito> hey holstein
[19:24] <Kokito> ScottL: I don't much of an opinion on the XFCE debate
[19:26] <ScottL> Kokito, and i respect that position
[19:27] <ScottL> i also respect the position that says "it's bad for X reason"...i was looking forward to this actually
[19:27] <Kokito> my only observation would be that, in Ubuntu, of all Unity is most likely to get the most development push/resources and thus seems to me the preferable choice if you consider long term growth.
[19:27] <ScottL> i wanted to understand really how people felt and fully wanted to validate our decision by exploring where people felt it as wrong for a particular reason
[19:28] <ScottL> Kokito, i'm not sure i agree with that argument because xfce is an upstream development, just like gnome was before
[19:28] <Kokito> staying with the mainstream Ubuntu may give you a better chance at cross-polination of resources
[19:28] <ScottL> hmmm, that's an interesting thought though (cross pollination of resources)
[19:29] <ScottL> but development should continue with xfce  without ubuntu's involved (which i imagine was little anyway)
[19:30] <ScottL> i mean development in a general sense for xfce, not our development with xfce
[19:30] <ScottL>
[19:30] <ScottL> if we were going to use something besides xfce i would prefer gnome3 at this point over unity however
[19:31] <ScottL> simply because i think it is a more refined, stable, and functional base than unity AT THIS POINT
[19:31] <ScottL> i fully expect unity develop to keep up the amazing pace they have demonstrated last cycle
[19:32] <Kokito> ScottL: in my ignorance, adopting XFCE instead of Unity also feels like moving away from Ubuntu/Canonical. This has nothing to do with technical viability, but I am not sure if it may or may not have an (negative?) effect on the relationship with Canonical. Maybe I am just a bit too paranoid :)
[19:48] <ScottL> Kokito, haha, i don't think that's paranoia , just practical sense
[19:48] <ScottL> but my perspective is that canonical views ubuntu studio, not with disdain, but perhaps indifference
[19:49] <ScottL> i don't think, but i may be wrong, that shuttleworth is concerned that a niche derivative moves away from unity
[19:50] <ScottL> at least i am unaware of _any_ correspondence to anyone on the team from anyone in canonical in regards to the DE
[19:54] <Kokito> I never thought there was any disdain towards US. I tend to think, though, that staying on the mainstream Ubuntu (ie., Unity) gives you a better chance of being seen as potentially of value to Ubuntu core
[19:58] <Kokito> if instead of switching to XFCE the US team helps address whatever workflow shortcomings Unity may have, then your value (from a Canonical POV) increases; in contrast, moving to XFCE will most likely result in more indifference
[20:01] <Kokito> perhaps the change to Unity opens an opportunity to become more engaged with the Ubuntu core dev team, which cannot be bad IMHO
[20:05] <Kokito> but what do I know anyway Ñ=
[20:05] <Kokito> oops! that was meant to be a :)
[20:05] <Kokito> bbl
[20:10] <holstein> yeah, i can relate with that opinion
[20:10] <holstein> however, #2 with canonnical is kubuntu
[20:15] <ScottL> that was a good point
[20:37] <holstein> ScottL: did you see robert klaar's email?
[20:38] <holstein> i just responded
[20:38] <holstein> that is a great email
[20:38] <holstein> thats what we need*
[20:38] <holstein> healthy educated debate
[20:38] <holstein> actually, thats what we needed
[20:38] <holstein> its too late now
[20:39] <holstein> back when we had the thread about discussing the UI change
[20:39] <holstein> that would have been a great time for the debate
[20:39] <holstein> but, whatever
[20:55] <ScottL> yeah, that's good stuff, including hartmut and michaels 2nd response
[20:55] <holstein> yeah
[20:56] <holstein> things are much more clear now that you put the hammer down ;)
[20:56] <holstein> i can work with that
[20:56] <ScottL> but still the majority seems to think it will be a good move, including hartmut :)
[20:56] <holstein> michael is the same guy that said twice 'i think theres a compatibility mode' too
[20:57] <holstein> thats quite an improvment from 'i think there might be a way to keep gnome2'
[20:57] <ScottL> oh....well, he's right though, there is one...it's just not probably what he thought it would be :P
[20:57] <ScottL> lol
[20:57] <ScottL> yeah
[20:57] <ScottL> i wonder if we could translate this into more testers, bear with me...
[20:58] <ScottL> what if we said we're still moving with xfce, BUT...
[20:58] <ScottL> you think unity is better, fine, help us develop a way to test this and include it as an install time option
[20:58] <ScottL> edubuntu does this
[20:58] <ScottL> er, but then again, this might just shut people up
[20:59] <holstein> well, it might just chill folks out to know that we are planning on testing apps in unity
[20:59] <holstein> which we will/can
[20:59] <holstein> and that the current vanilla install would render unitystudio
[20:59] <holstein> pretty much
[21:00] <ScottL> ailo__, i'm putting natty on my main rig so i can test the -lowlatency with other hardware now
[21:00] <ailo__> ok


[12:42] <nixternal> hola
[12:42] <DaSkreech> I'm late!
[12:43] <nixternal> haha
[12:43] <neversfelde> hm
[12:43] <neversfelde> what have I done?
[12:43] <nixternal> neversfelde: nothing, they just blame everyone but themselves
[12:44] <neversfelde> ok, it was my fault. Blame me whenever you like :)
[12:44] <nixternal> hahah, good deal
[12:45] <neversfelde> not for me :D
[06:11] <giangy> yawn
[06:11] <jjesse> don't know if anyone is intersetd or not but windows longhorn beta 3 went live today for free download
[06:24] <ScottK> jjesse: What in the world is that?
[06:25] <jjesse> new version of windows server
[06:25] <jjesse> set to replace windows 2003
[06:25] <jjesse> in the server world
[06:29] <jjesse> real quick how do i setup autologin in kubuntu?
[06:49] <fdoving> jjesse: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc  AutoLoginEnable=true, AutoLoginUser=username
[11:15] <_StefanS_> hey
[11:27] <Jucato> hi :)
[11:27] <_StefanS_> hi jucaco with the S3 IGP gfx adapter
[11:28] <_StefanS_> Joooocatooo
[11:28] <_StefanS_> so have you been behaving lately ?
[11:30] <Jucato> lol
[11:30] <Jucato> hm.. slow week :)
[11:30] <Jucato> or rather, slow but busy week
[11:31] <_StefanS_> slow but busy .. okay!
[11:31] <_StefanS_> slow and busy with being slow, or just busy ?
[11:32] <Jucato> let's just put it this way. I want to week to end already, but it's still a long time before Sunday :(
[11:33] <_StefanS_> hehe, okay are you waiting for something ?
[11:33] <_StefanS_> I just bought a PS3 that I'm getting today.
[11:34] <Jucato> waiting for the week to end so that all the stuff I need to do would be over... so that I could get back to C++ and MOTU :(
[11:34] <_StefanS_> oh yes I see ..
[11:34] <Jucato> wow PS3 (late reaction)
[11:35] <_StefanS_> sometimes #kubuntu can be really frustrating.. the other day I just came online to fix my firewall, but I ended up doing 2hours of kubuntu support in there..
[11:35] <_StefanS_> jeez
[11:35] <_StefanS_> well I'm looking forward to see how it does with the kubuntu/ps3 live cd
[11:35] <Jucato> hahah good luck. might be fun :D
[11:36] <_StefanS_> yea
[11:36] <_StefanS_> tough to be on work...
[11:36] <_StefanS_> not :)
[11:37] <_StefanS_> I'm actually trying to fix some issues with the logout thing
[11:37] <_StefanS_> won't seem to go away ehhe
[11:42] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[11:42] <viviersf> Riddell, i need to query your brain
[11:43] <Riddell> hi viviersf
[11:43] <viviersf> whats the url for your kubuntu repository
[11:43] <viviersf> i wanna know how you generate Release
[11:43] <viviersf> and Release.gpg plz
[11:44] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356/
[11:44] <Jucato> query Riddell's brain... there should be an ubotu factoid for that :)
[11:44] <Riddell> look at the bottom of ARCHIVE
[11:44] <Riddell> apt-ftparchive release -c dists/edgy/apt.conf dists/edgy/ > dists/edgy/Release
[11:44] <Riddell> I just set up apt.conf manually
[11:45] <Riddell> I don't know if this is the best way to do it, there may well be a better way, but it seems to work for me
[11:46] <viviersf> ta Riddell, if it works im happy
[11:47] <Riddell> viviersf: just copy that ARCHIVE file and adapt to your needs
[11:47] <viviersf> viviersf, k
[11:54] <viviersf> Riddell, bleh : WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[11:54] <viviersf> Riddell, i cant get that error away
[11:56] <Riddell> viviersf: you need to import the key that you signed the releases file with into apt
[11:56] <viviersf> i do have it
[11:56] <viviersf> imported
[11:57] <viviersf> :(
[11:57] <Riddell> apt doesn't think so :)
[11:57] <Riddell> can I see the archive?
[11:57] <viviersf> how can i show you ?
[11:59] <viviersf> Riddell, i asume if it downloads the release and the release.gpg file everything is fine ?
[12:00] <Riddell> should be yes
[12:00] <Riddell> viviersf: put it on a web server
[12:01] <viviersf> k hold plz
[12:02] <viviersf> Riddell, just have to push it quick
[12:05] <viviersf> Riddell, pvt
[01:34] <mhb> afternoon
[02:58] <Riddell> hmm, 3.5.7 delayed
[02:58] <Riddell> to just when I'm on holiday
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:58] <Hobbsee> when are you on holiday, then?
[03:01] <Riddell> after UDS
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:03] <Riddell> mm, I have a couple days at the end to do it
[03:04] <Riddell> but if someone fancies doing the feisty packages at least that would be lovely
[03:04] <Hobbsee> dunno about doing it
[03:04] <Hobbsee> but helping out would be fun
[03:05] <Riddell> plenty of normal gutsy merges to do of course
[03:05] <Hobbsee> true
[03:05] <Hobbsee> y'know, people seem to have these really odd looks of surprise when i tell them i'm taking time off work
[03:05] <Hobbsee> "what for?"  "oh, to go to spain"
[03:06] <Riddell> sounds good so far
[03:06] <Hobbsee> what does?
[03:06] <Riddell> going to spain does
[03:09] <kwwii> my parents still look at me funny when I talk about my job
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:10] <Hobbsee> you mean it wont, when i'm there?
[03:11] <Riddell> people might look at you funny when you say you're going to spain to plan the downfall of microsoft and the liberation of the world's software
[03:11] <kwwii> lol
[03:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:11] <kwwii> CLF - computer liberation front
[03:30] <Hobbsee> kwwii: heh.
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[05:00] <giangy> 'evening
[05:01] <manchicken_> Morning :)
[05:01] <manchicken_> Aren't timezones fun?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hi manchicken_
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hi giangy
[05:02] <manchicken_> Howdy Hobbsee :)
[05:03] <manchicken_> 8 days until I hop the plane to go have beers with some truely awesome folks :)
[05:03] <manchicken_> Oh, and get stuff done, too.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> 6 for me
[05:04] <manchicken_> Timezones strike again!
[05:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:04] <Hobbsee> and i get in a day early
[05:04] <manchicken_> It'll be weird being in the same timezone as everybody else.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> idneed!
[05:04] <manchicken_> I think we've all kinda adjusted our hacking schedules to accommodate each other.
[05:04] <manchicken_> I know I have :)
[05:05] <manchicken_> Mornings and early afternoons are Q&A time for JR :)
[05:05] <manchicken_> heh
[05:05] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:06] <manchicken> I'm getting folks ready for the Ubuntu-Illinois LoCo meeting that I'm hosting.
[05:06] <manchicken> That's gonna be fun.
[05:06] <Tm_T> schedule? what's that, something eatable?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> dunno
[06:24] <Tm_T> hmh, anyone know if there's backported Irssi somewhere?
[06:24] <fdoving> are there any changes to it?
[06:24] <fdoving> i'm interessted too. if it's backported to dapper.
[06:24] <Tm_T> new version, isn't that enough?!
[06:24] <Tm_T> ;)
[06:26] <nixternal> Tm_T: I have the new version already built ;)
[06:26] <fdoving> nixternal: packaged?
[06:26] <nixternal> yup
[06:26] <fdoving> published?
[06:26] <nixternal> it is on my lappy, so after class I will upload to my server so you can get it
[06:26] <fdoving> great.
[06:26] <nixternal> actually, let me pull the lappy out right now and do it
[06:26] <nixternal> I am not listening in class anyways
[06:26] <fdoving> please mention my name when you post the link. :)
[06:27] <fdoving> i'm off for food etc.
[06:27] <fdoving> kthnxbye.
[06:27] <nixternal> hehe
[06:35] <nixternal> fdoving: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/irssi_0.8.11/
[06:35] <nixternal> know that I just put something small in the changelog, so it really isn't proper
[06:35] <nixternal> however it works and it updates ;)
[06:35] <nixternal> I had to remove all but 2 patches
[06:57] <fdoving> nixternal: great. i don't care about the changelog, will only be installed on my server. thanks :)
[06:57] <nixternal> no prob
[07:52] <mhb> nixternal: what's new in it?
[07:52] <mhb> nixternal: irssi
[07:53] <mhb> nixternal: did you notice any new "killer" features?
[07:56] <fdoving> mhb: http://irssi.org/news/ChangeLog
[07:57] <mhb> fdoving: the thing I hate about changelogs - all features are treated equal :o)
[07:57] <fdoving> yes, because it's up to the reader to decide what's the killer feature :)
[07:58] <fdoving> i belive it's more or less bugfixes.
[07:59] <mhb> fdoving: I always thought the "killer" feature means that it improves stuff for most, if not for all
[07:59] <fdoving> i'll retart my irssi now in a few min.
[07:59] <mhb> fdoving: but that's completely OT
[07:59] <mhb> :o)
[07:59] <fdoving> then there are no killer features :)
[07:59] <fdoving> brb. irssi upgrade :)
[08:01] <giangy> 20:01:37 Irssi uptime: 60d 8h 51m 46s
[08:01] <giangy> I'll upgrade later heh :P
[08:02] <fdoving> mine was at 83 days or something.
[08:02] <fdoving> make that 86.
[08:03] <fdoving> i know it can run forever. i don't have to prove it over and over again :)
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Yes you do
[08:05] <DaSkreech>  just two or there forever's back to back should do it though
[08:05] <DaSkreech> !info vdrift
[08:05] <ubotu> Package vdrift does not exist in feisty
[08:05] <DaSkreech> !info vdrift-data
[08:05] <ubotu> vdrift-data: Data files for vdrift, a racing simulation. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.2006.02.21-1 (feisty), package size 42475 kB, installed size 67176 kB
[08:05] <DaSkreech> Strange
[08:09] <nixternal> mhb: nothing killer that I could see
[08:09] <nixternal> some bug fixes that I never experienced either :)
[08:10] <fdoving> so.. kubuntu.org is "temporarily unavailable."
[08:13] <nixternal> looks like it
[08:13] <nixternal> so far it has been like that since this morning for me
[08:54] <Arby> I'm trying to triage an adept bug, where does adept send it's logs to?
[08:54] <Arby> dpkg.log?
[08:55] <Arby> specifically it's bug 108185.
[08:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108185 in adept "Adept fails to install ubuntu-restricted-extras although apt-get installs it just fine." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108185
[08:55] <Arby> which I thought had been fixed.
[08:56] <Riddell> Arby: it doesn't really have logs although dpkg.log may help
[08:56] <Riddell> that should be fixed if you have libqt-perl installed
[08:57] <Riddell> ask if there's any output in the embedded konsole about debconf frontends
[08:57] <Arby> OK I'll ask about those things, thanks Riddell.
[09:45] <froud> what 'appened to http://www.kubuntu.com/
[09:48] <stdin> froud: .com?
[09:48] <kwwii> .org is down as well
[09:49] <stdin> ahh, so it is
[09:49] <kwwii> Riddell: do you know that kubuntu.org is down?
[09:49] <stdin> probably recovering after the feisty installfest
[09:50] <froud> finall got feist installed
[09:50] <froud> upgrade from adept is not a good idea
[09:51] <froud> upgrade crashed while shutdown and replace of Samba and had to reinstall from ISO
[10:08] <manchicken> I think I found an artsd bug.
[10:08] <manchicken> I keep blaming it on ATI, but I think it's very possible that it's artsd.
[10:08] <manchicken> Because killing all artsd processes several times seems to cause the problem to fix itself.
[10:14] <crimsun> it might help to describe the problem.
[10:19] <manchicken> All of a sudden no sound will come up.  Looks like everything is waiting for something.  Amarok, when I hit play, sits there and does nothing.  normal system sounds don't show up, and knotify hangs.
[10:20] <crimsun> right, and is this a snd-via82xx system?
[10:20] <manchicken> If I kill all four knotify, katapult, kopete, and amarok, and then sudo killall -9 artsd once and wait for all of the artsmessage processes to run their course, everything just starts working again and I can start katapult, kopete, and amarok again and it works fine.
[10:20] <manchicken> Naw.
[10:20] <yuriy> how would that have to do with ati o_O
[10:20] <manchicken> atiixp
[10:20] <manchicken> yuriy: I'm using an ATI sound-card.
[10:21] <yuriy> didn't know they make sound cards..
[10:21] <manchicken> Until I got this piece of rubbish I didn't either.
[10:22] <crimsun> technically they don't; they manufacture incredibly crappy codecs that are sometimes used in ac'97-based audio cards.
[10:22] <manchicken> Yes, this is ac'97 based.
[10:22] <manchicken> Other than how to regain control,
[10:22] <manchicken> I haven't found any other paterns.
[10:22] <manchicken> patterns*
[10:22] <crimsun> hmm, anything in dmesg regarding the codec?
[10:23] <crimsun> gotta return to a meeting, but I'll be back in four hours [to read scrollback]
[10:28] <DaSkreech> It's not it's an Intel card and ATI makes the chipset but not the DSp
[10:28] <DaSkreech> methinks
[10:28] <manchicken> Not really.
[10:29] <manchicken> ATIIXP: not 100% native mode: will prob
[10:29] <manchicken> e irqs later
[10:29] <manchicken> That's the closest thing I see to an error.
[10:30] <manchicken> And that was a boot message.
[10:43] <Riddell> kwwii: have a nice holiday
[10:44] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks, looking forward to quality time with the family...see you in Seville
[10:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: if I apply for membership, do you think I'm ok without wikipage?
[10:55] <Tm_T> I have problems with it
[10:59] <ryanakca> Tm_T: I've always thought you were a member :)
[11:00] <Tm_T> ryanakca: you're not the only one =)
[11:00] <Riddell> Tm_T: no, everyone needs a wiki page, else we don't know who you are
[11:00] <Tm_T> hmh
[11:00] <Tm_T> I'm so unknown :(
[11:01] <Riddell> that's not what I mean
[11:01] <Tm_T> I know what you mean :)
[11:02] <Tm_T> I do have wikipage but its empty
[11:02] <Tm_T> hmh, should fill it with what I have been doing all these years
[11:02] <Riddell> that's the idea
[11:02] <Tm_T> yup, but I have problems with that
[11:04] <Riddell> imbrandon: you up now?
[11:05] <Tm_T> ryanakca: never felt I have done enough for being member
[11:08] <Riddell> anyone have a phone number for imbrandon?
[11:08] <Tm_T> he's again missing?
[11:15] <Tm_T> oh well, sir Riddell saves the day :)
[11:20] <ajmitch> Riddell: well, I just found his phone number :)
[11:21] <Riddell> ajmitch: ping him!
[11:22] <ajmitch> nothing...
[11:23] <Tm_T> ajmitch: if you can find phonenumber of his neighbour...
[11:23] <ajmitch> I guess he just slept through an alarm again
[11:23] <ajmitch> haha
[11:23] <Tm_T> that's what we have to do in time to time
[11:48] <manchicken> Riddell: Who would I ask about general questions for the hotel?
[11:49] <manchicken> such as what voltage their outlets are, what type of plug they use, etc.
[11:52] <Riddell> 230V in europe
[11:53] <Riddell> plug is european (like US but round pins)
[11:53] <Riddell> ask claire newman such questions
[11:55] <Lure> manchicken: google is your friend ;-)
[11:55] <manchicken> Okay, those are just straight European standards?
[11:55] <manchicken> Lure: Believe me, I tried to search.
[11:56] <manchicken> Do hotels usually have adapters for clueless Americans?
[11:56] <otma_> some
[11:56] <Lure> manchicken: they might
[11:56] <manchicken> Okay, good, my lappy AC adapter can take up to 240V.
[11:57] <Lure> manchicken: I always buy new one when I am in US ;-)
[11:57] <manchicken> Lure: You know who would carry those in the US?
[11:57] <manchicken> I would say Radio Shack, but these days Radio Shack is little more than a wiring and mobile phone store.
[11:57] <Lure> manchicken: you can get them on airports and radioshack or similar should have them too
[11:58] <manchicken> I think it'd be best if I got one before I left.
[11:58] <Lure> manchicken: they probably have all-in-one kits though (more $$$, not so useful if you do not travel a lot)
[11:59] <manchicken> My mobile phone will be nothing but a PDA when I'm over there, so I don't need to worry about its AC adapter.
[12:01] <Tm_T> hi emonkey-f and welcome
[12:01] <emonkey-f> Tm_T, hi and thx
[12:04] <Tm_T> apacheLAGger: SON!
[12:07] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[12:07] <Tonio_> hi Lure :)
[12:08] <manchicken> Is the adapter one of these three? http://images.bestbuy.com:80/BestBuy_US/images/products/7759/7759035_sa.jpg
[12:08] <manchicken> err, shape
[12:09] <otma_> manchicken: middle one, but its a nasty angle to judge
[12:09] <Lure> Tonio_: when feisty started, you had most of your spec's implemented in couple of days ;-)
[12:09] <Riddell> ah, emonkey-f is here
[12:09] <Tonio_> Lure: lot of work atm
[12:09] <Lure> Tonio_: new job?
[12:10] <Tonio_> I'll probably wait for next WE or maybe the UDS
[12:10] <Tonio_> Lure: yep :)
[12:10] <Tonio_> hey Riddell
[12:10] <Lure> Tonio_: good - I am busy with vacations ;-)
[12:10] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[12:11] <manchicken> Tonio_: It looks like we're rooming.
[12:12] <Lure> manchicken: you do not know in what you are going into...
[12:12] <manchicken> Lure: Oh?
[12:12] <manchicken> MTV?
[12:12] <manchicken> heh
[12:12] <Lure> Mt View
[12:12] <manchicken> Ah.
[12:13] <Lure> manchicken: I am just teasing Tonio_
[12:13] <manchicken> Well, he can't snore any louder than my wife, and there's no way he could fart more than my dog, so I think I'm good.
[12:13] <Lure> manchicken: I am not sure for the later...;-)
[12:14] <manchicken> Lure: You've never met my dog.
[12:14] <Lure> lol
[12:15] <manchicken> Lure: What's funnier is that I'm serious.
[12:15] <manchicken> heh


[00:03] <nerdopolis__> soreau: say what does the -g cflag do? I'm having difficulties finding what it does on Google and the man page
[00:06] <soreau> nerdopolis__: -g enables debug symbols
[00:07] <nerdopolis__> soreau: then I guess don't want that.
[00:08] <soreau> From gcc man page: -g  Produce debugging information in the operating system's native format (stabs, COFF, XCOFF, or DWARF 2).  GDB can work with this debugging information.
[00:09] <nerdopolis__> soreau: that means it uses more space... I looked at Ubuntu's mesa package. they have -Os as a CFLAG. I was accidentaly passing -0s as a MAKEFLAG
[00:10] <soreau> yea and don't mix up  O with 0 ;)
[00:14] <nerdopolis__> Soreau: yeah. that was the problem too. 0 and O look the same in kate's default font... I just realized that
[00:28] <soreau> nerdopolis__: You can see the install directories used for what configure options in the build log https://launchpadlibrarian.net/99008970/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.mesa_8.0.2-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[00:28] <soreau> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/8.0.2-0ubuntu3/+build/3370278
[00:29] <soreau> Here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa if you scroll down click the > button next to the package you're interested in, you can get the build stats for it
[00:35] <nerdopolis__> dang. -Os didn't work
[00:39] <nerdopolis__> soreau: I guess I'll try to run the Ubuntu build script for mesa... then capturing the command line arguments for ./configure...
[00:43] <soreau> nerdopolis__: You can apt-get source mesa and look at debian/rules to see the config options too
[00:47] <nerdopolis__> soreau: that file isn't that easy to read. they have conditionals for hurd in there!
[00:48] <soreau> nerdopolis__: Then just use launchpad
[00:49] <soreau> it has the package build log
[00:50] <nerdopolis__> soreau: good idea. I captured what gets captured to the ./configure by running and pausing. It seems so far --with-gallium-drivers= nothing. I think Wayland will need that as well as egl...
[00:51] <nerdopolis__> well... WESTON will need that
[00:52] <soreau> nerdopolis__: Ubuntu packages gallium drivers afaik
[00:53] <soreau> nerdopolis__: this doesn't have line numbers but search for 'configure' about the tenth instance down https://launchpadlibrarian.net/99008970/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.mesa_8.0.2-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[00:53] <soreau> you can see several different configure lines with different prefixes
[00:54] <soreau> or actually it's the same prefix but building mesa in different parts
[00:54] <nerdopolis__> soreau: It just seems that way. look at all the posts that are there http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2012-August/date.html
[00:56] <soreau> nerdopolis__: What posts specifically?
[00:58] <nerdopolis__> Soreau: sorry. I guess Darxus asked me about mesa-dev on the #wayland channel...


 One of window-mocker's python2 build deps doesn't even exist in the achive now. just the python3 package
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[01:36] <tsimonq2> pleia2: https://launchpad.net/~uwn has some people pending, including myself, mind taking a look?
[05:56] <pleia2> tsimonq2: yeah, I usually wait to approve until folks actually contribute, sorted
[10:58] <tsimonq2> pleia2: makes sense :)


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[09:48] <Dabo_> I have ubuntu 12.04 lts installed with windows 7, I believe it is dual booting, but I think it is wubi. Anyways, it is in a seperate partion. I want to remove it and re-install ubuntu into a bigger space, and all. My question is, will it harm my computer to remove/format the partition that ubuntu is in and then install ubuntu again using a live cd?
[09:51] <Dabo_> Actually, never mind, sorry. I can't really stay up any later tonight, I will come back in teh morning
[18:12] <Dabo_> I currently have Ubuntu 12.04 installed dual booting with windows 7, in a separate partion. I believe I used the wubi installer. My question is will it harm my computer if I just format the ubuntu partion? And if it will not, would it be a better idea to use windows or to use a live cd with gparted to format it. Last time I used gparted to edit my system, windows freaked out and checked all the disks, but it booted up fine.
[18:13] <Dabo_> I do have a backup of all my data in ubuntu stored in windows. And after formating the partion I would want to re install ubuntu using a live cd.
[18:15] <coalwater> Dabo_: there's one concern
[18:15] <coalwater> Dabo_: it might ruin ur boot
[18:15] <Dabo_> windows boot?
[18:15] <coalwater> Dabo_: do u use grub or windows boot
[18:15] <Dabo_> I use windows bootloader currently, but if Grub will be able to boot into windows, then I am fine with using it.
[18:16] <Dabo_> Would installing with a live CD install grub?>
[18:16] <coalwater> Dabo_: if you want to login into ubuntu do u go windows boot > grub > ubuntu ?
[18:16] <Dabo_> It usually goes directly from windows boot to ubuntu
[18:16] <Dabo_> And currently I have a totally messed up ubuntu system, that I just want to format and then re install correctly.
[18:17] <coalwater> if you're going to reinstall i suppose ubuntu will update the grub after installation anyway
[18:17] <coalwater> i was thinking ull remove ubuntu for good
[18:19] <Dabo_> Ah, yes. I am not sure if I currently have grub, because I used the windows installer. Part of the thing is just removing Ubuntu that was installed through windows, and then getting a real version of ubuntu that actually uses the amount of space I can give it.
[18:19] <coalwater> wait wait, is ubuntu a file under windows? or ext4 partition ?
[18:20] <Dabo_> it is in a nfts partion.
[18:20] <Dabo_> but I believe I used the downloadable windows installer
[18:20] <coalwater> in windows u see ubuntu as one huge file?
[18:20] <coalwater> .img i think ?
[18:20] <coalwater> or something
[18:20] <Dabo_> I see the root.disk in a seperate hard disk,
[18:20] <coalwater> yea i understand now
[18:20] <Dabo_> like I have C:, B:, and a ubuntu drive
[18:21] <coalwater> u should find ubuntu in the add/remove inside windows
[18:21] <coalwater> check that
[18:21] <Dabo_> I tried that, and it didn't really do anything
[18:21] <Dabo_> I will get hte error
[18:21] <coalwater> ok u can delete it manually and partition, but ull need to update the boot.ini manually, can u do that ?
[18:22] <coalwater> or nvm, grub will update it
[18:22] <Dabo_> Ok, so it would be safe to just format the ubuntu drive? if I am re installing ubuntu using a live CD
[18:23] <Dabo_> oh, and the windows uninstaller says "An error occured while trying to uninstall Ubuntu. You do not have access to L:\ubuntu\uninstall-wubi.ece.
[18:24] <coalwater> hmm well idk about the windows uninstaller, but i think u can just ignore it, u can format the partition but when booting choosing ubuntu will fail, until u update the boot.ini or install the new ubuntu
[18:25] <Dabo_> ok
[18:25] <Dabo_> But booting into windows will work?
[18:25] <coalwater> yea it should work just fine
[18:25] <Dabo_> Ok, thank you.
[18:25] <Dabo_> BTW currently ubuntu won't boot anyways :P
[18:25] <coalwater> ok lets talk about that if u have time
[18:25] <Dabo_> I messed it up using GParted.
[18:25] <coalwater> what do u get when trying to boot
[18:26] <Dabo_> a message about the file windows failed to start." and the file /ubuntu/winboot/wubildr.mbr was missing or corrupt. I can't remember exactly
[18:27] <Dabo_> That is because I had moved and expanded the ubuntu partion in a live CD
[18:27] <coalwater> ok maybe because the partition letter changed
[18:27] <Dabo_> I am going to format the Ubuntu partion now, though.
[18:28] <coalwater> btw u can mount the image file in live cd
[18:28] <coalwater> if u need any files
[18:28] <Dabo_> That is how I made a backup :)
[18:28] <coalwater> did u try to update the gurb from there?
[18:28] <coalwater> after mounting
[18:28] <Dabo_> I didn't,
[18:28] <coalwater> could be a last try, if u still want to keep it
[18:29] <Dabo_> I would rather, at this point just re install it.
[18:29] <coalwater> yea, ok, good luck
[18:29] <Dabo_> because I think also that I want to create a swap partion, and have the ubuntu drive be a around 50gb instead of 20
[18:30] <Dabo_> oh, and one more thing
[18:30] <coalwater> how comfortable are u with partitioning and stuff
[18:30] <Dabo_> Will it work for me to create the drive for ubuntu to be in in windows? or would that mess up the live CD install
[18:31] <coalwater> this is still the same method u already have
[18:31] <coalwater> an image file inside windows
[18:31] <Dabo_> I meen, will it install into NTFS, or does it need ext4.
[18:32] <Dabo_> image file? Would GParted see that as a drive?
[18:32] <coalwater> nope
[18:32] <Dabo_> it does see ubuntu as a drive though...
[18:32] <coalwater> cause u created the ubuntu image file in a separate partition
[18:32] <Dabo_> http://i48.tinypic.com/1orwjq.png
[18:32] <Dabo_> the root.disk is in a seperate partion
[18:32] <coalwater> yea
[18:33] <Dabo_> that is on the live CD
[18:33] <coalwater> there's a partition called ubuntu, that has the image file
[18:33] <Dabo_> yes
[18:33] <Dabo_> I just want to format that partion
[18:33] <Dabo_> now
[18:33] <coalwater> do it lol
[18:33] <coalwater> but if there's nothing else other than ubuntu, try ext4
[18:34] <Dabo_> Would it be better to delete it in windows? And then create an ext4 with the live CD?
[18:34] <coalwater> and u might want to split a 4gb swap after it
[18:34] <coalwater> doesn't matter much
[18:34] <Dabo_> or to just let it install into a windows NTFS. Ok
[18:34] <coalwater> why do u want it to be ntfs
[18:34] <Dabo_> I am just saying, that is what windows makes it
[18:35] <coalwater> dont install from wubi
[18:35] <coalwater> boot from the cd
[18:35] <Dabo_> I don't need it to be either one, that is what I am asking.
[18:35] <Dabo_> I will
[18:35] <Dabo_> Part of me re installing it is so that I can have it installed via live CD instead of windows wubi
[18:36] <coalwater> if u want to try u can try virtual box image and install on it
[18:36] <coalwater> to try the experience without playing with ur system
[18:36] <Dabo_> virtual box image?
[18:36] <coalwater> u know virtual box right ?
[18:37] <Dabo_> yes, I think so.
[18:38] <coalwater> it's easy, u can play with a test image and do w/e you want
[18:38] <Dabo_> ah, I see.
[18:38] <Dabo_> I just deleted the Ubuntu partion, I think I will boot up into the live CD now to install.
[18:39] <coalwater> okay, good luck
[18:43] <Dabo-> Rebooting in to my live cd now,
[18:55] <coalwater> Dabo-: o,forgot  u can use the internet while using the live cd lol
[18:57] <Dabo-> I have a question. Using the ubuntu installer I have made a ext4 partion and a swap partion when I click install now, it asks me to define a root file system.
[19:00] <Dabo_> Sorry D:
[19:00] <Dabo_> Disconnected accidentally
[19:06] <Dabo_> It is installing.
[19:14] <coalwater> Dabo_: did u choose the root partition ?
[19:19] <Dabo_> I just installed it and it fails to boot. I fixed that this by telling it to mount sda7 as /
[19:20] <Dabo_> But now I still can't boot into ubuntu
[19:21] <Dabo_> Would that be because I selected sda7 as where to install the bootloader?
[19:27] <coalwater> Dabo_: what do u get when u boot
[19:29] <Dabo_> Option to boot into windows or ubuntu, in the windows bootloader
[19:29] <Dabo_> Ubuntu produces the same error as before
[19:30] <Dabo_> I can boot into windows
[19:38] <Dabo_> I an currently in ubuntu live CD.
[19:40] <Dabo_> It works now :D. Thanks, bye.!
[21:30] <Dabo__> Back, that didn't work
[21:32] <Dabo__> I am stuck in unity2d, I guess.
[21:34] <Dabo__> I think that compiz was the program that ubuntu had to restart before I Force shut down using REISUB
[21:37] <Dabo__> should I try unity --reset ?
[21:37] <coalwater> just unity
[21:38] <coalwater> or nit
[21:38] <coalwater> not
[21:39] <Dabo_> Back
[21:39] <Dabo_> when I did unity
[21:40] <Dabo_> It goes all weird, with no gray bars above any windows
[21:41] <Dabo_> then It tells me that compiz has crashed
[21:41] <Dabo_> and I have to log out using the upper right hand button and log back in to fix
[21:45] <Dabo_> Sorry about that, XChat just crashed
[21:54] <Dabo_> This is the output of unity --log=LOG.txt --verbose I pasted log.txt into a pastebin
[21:54] <Dabo_> http://pastebin.com/4khBuygi
[23:55] <ICU> hello
[23:55] <ICU> can someone help me pls
[23:56] <mysteriousdaren> ICU: yes ask your question
[23:57] <ICU> i am triing to instal wine or PlayOnLinux , but everything i doo get's to an error
[23:59] <ICU> http://pastebin.com/R49XGpN2 this is an example


[02:46] <viewer|20> I have a KVM switch which is picked up by the motherboard and windows 10 on a dual boot system. However 20.4 finds the monitor and mouse but not the keyboard. The KVM also worked under 18.04. If the keyboard is plugged straight into the machine then it works fine. Michael
[07:25] <Metamorphosis> Hello, I'm seeing an annoying window popping up everytime I restart my computer, how to stop it? https://img.susepaste.org/images/e00c0d81.png
[07:38] <Alabalistic> Metamorphosis, if you login with password on system boot you wont have this problem
[07:39] <Alabalistic> I had the same issue caused by the wifi and kde wallet, I did try to workaroud it, but then just start using password
[07:42] <Metamorphosis> Albalistic Actually I'm bothered by the fact that it asks me for password everytime I login, while previously it didnt.
[09:45] <nowifi> Hello! I had wifi on live install, but now my wifi seems connected, but has no speed, help?
[09:46] <nowifi> 20 install
[09:58] <archaeopter> Hello! I had wifi on live 20 install, but now my wifi seems connected, but has no speed, help?
[10:04] <runnicd> archaeopter: I have similar problems and I all I do is disconnect and re-connect wifi.
[10:05] <archaeopter> If i reconnect it doesn't connect at all
[10:55] <archaeopter> Hello! I had wifi on live 20 install, but now my wifi seems connected, but has no speed, help?
[14:22] <gregor3000> 20.04 or 18.04 with latest kernel ? APU Ryzen 5 3500U; usage: Steam (CS:GO and few source games) and office work.
[14:22] <gregor3000> i know 18.04 and it works fine on current machines
 My pc with kubuntu 20.04 freezed. That's happening out of blue
 And it's rare, but it's happening
 Any help?
[15:28] <diogenes_> Franzpow, try to spot any pattern aslo check the logs.
 Where can I find the logs?
[15:30] <diogenes_> Franzpow, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:31] <diogenes_> also Xorg.0.log.old
 here it is the output for Xorg.0.log.old
 https://pastebin.com/YTJeAKrk
 here it is for Xorg.0.log
 https://pastebin.com/mn4hTypk
[15:55] <diogenes_> Franzpow, could be something nvidia related.
 where can I see the error? Is this log only related to the booting up process?
[16:10] <diogenes_> Franzpow, look also in ls /var/crash/
[16:49] <h1pot> is it normal to mpd.service to take so much time in the start up? can I disable it?
[16:51] <h1pot> currently it takes about 20~30s
[17:01] <franzo> diogenes_ here we go the output of crash
[17:01] <franzo> https://pastebin.com/ZQV10D5Q
[17:59] <asmino> test
[18:04] <derek> Hey anyone know how to channge the main gpu?
[18:06] <diogenes_> derek, ?
[18:07] <derek> yes diogenes_
[18:10] <derek> Provider 0: id: 0x44 cap: 0x9, Source Output, Sink Offload crtcs: 3 outputs: 2 associated providers: 1 name:modesetting
[18:10] <derek> Provider 1: id: 0xd1 cap: 0x4, Source Offload crtcs: 0 outputs: 0 associated providers: 1 name:HAINAN @ pci:0000:01:00.0
[18:15] <user|35580> hi there..i m facing some issues with 18.4
[18:31] <Guest_93> hello.anyone here?
[19:20] <derek> Hey
[19:20] <derek> How do I change the default graphics card?
 Assuming Nvidia, sudo prime-select
[19:22] <derek> IrcsomeBot: AMD
 Hey Darin! Do you have some ideas on my random freezimg problem? It's really hard to understand what's happening
 Sorry, no AMD hybrid experience here.
 I have a Nvidia gt710
 @Franzpow, Here it is
 Any extra PPA's installed?  I recommend both the NVidia and backports PPA's.
[19:27] <derek> okay
[19:27] <derek> IrcsomeBot:  HOw about audio drivers
 Are you talkin to me?
 I have nvidia 440 drivers installed
[19:29] <derek> this is bad
[19:29] <derek> my games are bugging
 If I am not wrong, you don't need ppa to install the latest 440 drivers
[19:34] <derek> IrcsomeBot:  Teamviewer
[20:11] <R13ose> I have a panel that is auto hide but isn't hiding.  How do I fix this?
[20:24] <ceska> hi all, just wondering if any one has problem with Ku20.04 that when PC boots up and on login screen USB keyboard nad mouse not active at all, not even Num Lock., maybe for a minute or so. Just happens that I have PS2 keayboard connected in paralel it just works as it should. Realy it works without issues.. Any one can relate to something? Thanks
[20:40] <Hanii> I'm trying out linux (normally use OS X), specifically kubuntu. Is there any way to adjust the mouse acceleration curve?
 Assuming the Flat and adaptive options don't meet your needs (System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse), you can try this Arch wiki guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration
[21:04] <R13ose> Any thoughts on my question.
[21:16] <ceska> .R13ose save, Log-out, Login. Or you have it activated some time ago?
[21:17] <R13ose> Activated?
[21:17] <ceska> Avyovated that setting
[21:17] <R13ose> The setting was activated ages ago
[21:20] <R13ose> The log out worked but why would that be?
[21:21] <ceska> not much I can say then. I found linux has this kind of Ggraphical problmes. random things sometimes just don;t work. and its realy annoing. I could be because of too many varibles and too many places for error to occur.
[21:22] <R13ose> Are Linux devs looking into this?
[21:29] <ceska> Everyone waitting when year will be called "Year of Linux on Desktop", but it's not comming just yet. but it's getting better over the years.
[22:20] <R13ose> ceska: what needs to happen for that to happen?
[22:24] <ceska> It must work without issues, I think that would be just enough
[22:31] <R13ose> Does Windows work without issues?
[22:33] <ceska> Latest version of windows works just perfect. When I switch to windows on same PC it looks that my pc does magic compare to Linux. sad to admit, but its true.
[22:34] <R13ose> What are the issues with Linux?
[22:34] <ceska> FOr example you have one. I have one that I asked here before you.
[22:36] <R13ose> I use a laptop and no usb anything so I don't have that issue.
[22:38] <R13ose> Does this work automatically with Windows?
[22:41] <ceska> I have constantly issues with my PC. in the last nearly two years since I moved to linux, I have issues pritty much constantly . there is no single month that I have spend time trobleshoot my system. I have no specific configurations on my system, just clearly what's comes by default. that would be nice if issue per month, but usualy more often.
[22:42] <ceska> R13ose to asnver your question - it often works not even with Windows but and Linux but nor always. :)
[22:43] <R13ose> ceska: are you saying the usb keyboard and mouse are having problems on Windows and Linux?
[22:44] <ceska> NO. I have no problems with it ever, but just after last Kubuntu instalation. also I have no problems with Windows with it.
[22:45] <R13ose> Okay, sorry
[22:48] <ceska> I was most of my time on Opensuse untill they destroyed my system with updates. there was every single week that I have spend evenings with sorting problems with my system. So I comited to move somehere else, so because I run ubuntu servers so I thought I will move on kubuntu. I have slightly better experience with it. but I realy missing Yast2 and snapper.
[22:49] <R13ose> Did you try this: https://techwiser.com/fix-keyboard-not-working-in-ubuntu-18-04/ ?
[22:56] <R13ose> ceska: does snapper not work on KDE?
[22:57] <ceska> R13ose: It's by default in Opensuse
[22:58] <R13ose> cool
[23:00] <ceska> and its integrated with in Yast2 on OpenSUSE, so you have some sort of GUI for it.
[23:03] <ceska> R13ose: I just done $ sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all So it said that all all up to date, and some packags not required, so I have did apt autoremove. WIll see if that helped with my issue, I will see on next system boot. Thanks for your link, even if I;m not lucky. :)
[23:03] <R13ose> No problem!


[00:56] <holo> TheSheep: Yes, of couse, i can verify the checksum. Are you still there?
[01:28] <Dirty> what livily room
[01:32] <holo> heh
[01:32] <holo> anyway.. I don't need to verify the checksum
[01:32] <holo> I know its corrupt
[01:32] <holo> I wget -c the iso, it was interrupted in the middle, and then resumed manually
[01:33] <holo> sometimes, don't know why, I get corrupted content
[01:33] <holo> guess I wasn't lucky this time
[01:33] <holo> ok, I will check it, or I won't sleep well
[01:38] <holo> 8a6e05a36ff5098ece6e3d28ad3b279a  xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso
[01:38] <holo> strange, it matches the md5 checksum in the site
[01:38] <holo> this one: 8a6e05a36ff5098ece6e3d28ad3b279a *xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso
[01:39] <holo> There is a very small probability that this corruption didn't get noticed my the md5 checksum algorithm
[01:39] <holo> i'm out of clues to my problem
[01:40] <holo> anyone knows a very fast server from which I cand download this again?
[01:41] <zoredache> holo: if you have a fast internet connection, then you could download the mini.iso and isntall from the internet
[01:41] <zoredache> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[01:42] <holo> zoredache: my internet connection fluctuates between extremely fast and extremly slow with great packet loss. But anyway, does that one have already X pre-installed?
[01:42] <zoredache> holo:  the mini.iso is an 8mb image that comes with absolutly nothing, but you can install anything you want from it
[01:45] <holo> I used alot of netinstalls from minimal cd back in debian times.. i also had alot of spare time at that time for configuring things manually. anyway, the cluttered cds also didn't have X pre-configured, so everything ended up being the same.
[01:45] <holo> in this situation i have to balance the time of getting this configured correctly or just download a fully/integrated environment out-of-the-bok
[01:46] <holo> and this is going to be ran in a bochs layer, so it will be not only slow because i have to configure it manually, but the whole system is slow
[01:46] <holo> :s
[01:48] <zoredache> why bochs?  why not one of the other faster vm technologies?
[01:48] <holo> zoredache: give me an option.
[01:49] <zoredache> vmware?
[01:49] <zoredache> parallels
[01:50] <zoredache> xen, ....  what is your guest os?
[01:51] <holo> zoredache: vmware: I have to create the vmware image which can only be created in vmawre workstation, which is not free. I have to create account, download it manually and I can only use it for a limited period of time right? I will make serious work in these vms for a long period of time
[01:51] <holo> parallels, i have to check that one
[01:52] <holo> zoredache: are you referring to this?: http://www.parallels.com/
[01:52] <holo> this is mac software it seems.
[01:52] <zoredache> holo: there are free versions of vmware... (vmware player, and vmware server)  I have been using vmware server on my workstation for a couple years
[01:53] <holo> zoredache: do any of those versions provide facility for creating vmware image?
[01:53] <zoredache> vmware server does
[01:53] <holo> zoredache: super!
[01:53] <zoredache> with vmware player, you can download a blank vm off the interweb then use that too
[01:54] <zoredache> so for vmware player, use http://www.easyvmx.com/ to create a blank vm
[01:54] <holo> zoredache: can I install an OS in a blank image with vmware player?
[01:54] <zoredache> yes
[01:54] <holo> ok zoredache, you bring me good news
[01:55] <zoredache> it isn't quite as easy but it can be done
[01:55] <zoredache> of course xen, virtualbox, or uml, are also options
[01:55] <zoredache> I am most familiar with vmware though... I have been using it since 1999
[01:56] <zoredache> for the other vm options check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines
[01:57] <holo> zoredache: I know vmware is good.. i will stick to it
[01:57] <holo> a state of the art tool
[01:58] <holo> now back to work!
[01:58] <holo> thank you very much zoredache, you saved me alot of time
[02:14]  * TD-Linux sees no point in vmware player
[02:14] <TD-Linux> vmware server works just as good :D
[02:17] <holo>  /usr/bin/vmplayer: 166: cannot open /etc/vmware/locations: No such file
[02:17] <holo> now this is a good start
[02:18] <holo> I see no ending in my hacking into others mistakes life
[02:19] <Technoid_India> hi every one...
[02:20] <zoredache> hi
[02:20] <Technoid_India> can i know whats the minimum configration to install xubuntu ???
[02:20] <Technoid_India> zoredache: Hi
[02:40] <holo> Technoid_India: I don't know, because I didn't check in in the page. Did you check it? anyway, tell me which CPU and memory and maybe I can see if you can
[02:41] <Technoid_India> holo: i am goin to install ubuntu my old pc >> P4 - 128MB RAM - 40GB Harddrive...
[02:42] <zoredache> 128 is on the slim side, but it may run.  You'll probably need to use the alternate-installer
[02:45] <Technoid_India> zoredache: yes..bro..i will be using alternate installer...
[02:46] <Technoid_India> so how is xubuntu different frm ubuntu ???
[02:46] <Technoid_India> n what file system should i use ???
[02:46] <holo> Technoid_India: yes, because livecd takes too much ram, go for alternate install.. xfce is pretty light.. also consider a 2.4 kernel.. it consumes less ram
[02:47] <Technoid_India> ext3 ???
[02:47] <holo> Technoid_India: ext3 is the slowest filesystem, go for reiserfs
[02:47] <holo> of course, just my humble opinion
[02:47] <Technoid_India> holo: so will it run smoothly on my pc....???
[02:48] <holo> Technoid_India: I own a amd 64 dual core or something xpto.. sometimes i think it doesn't run smoothly.. do you expect me to say that from those specs?
[02:48] <Technoid_India> n does it supports all ubuntu packeges???
[02:48] <holo> ^^
[02:49] <holo> Technoid_India: yes, the repositories are the same
[02:49] <Technoid_India> holo: i have a high end rig to bro....
[02:49] <Technoid_India> but im just tryin my luck on this old crap pc...
[02:50] <holo> its may not be crap pc.. it wasn't some years ago.. the pc is still the same, but maybe more used
[02:50] <holo> but still the same, so it should do what what it did some years ago
[02:50] <Technoid_India> can i use all the application (packages) that i used to run on ubuntu ???
[02:51] <holo> Technoid_India: yes you can. but don't run kde on it
[02:51] <holo> or gnome
[02:51] <holo> it would sound stupid :)
[02:51] <Technoid_India> kde - gnome apps ???
[02:51] <holo> yes you can
[02:52] <Technoid_India> holo: so i can do all my studio work on xubuntu...
[02:52] <holo> dunno, but I supose you run every app you ran in ubuntu
[02:52] <holo> except maybe for configuration tools of gnome
[02:52] <Technoid_India> audio/video >> recording n editing stuff ???
[02:53] <holo> Technoid_India: take it easy.. you should now more about your work than me
[02:53] <Technoid_India> then i will be sticking to xubuntu for this old pc....
[02:54] <Technoid_India> holo: thanx brother...for ur help..
[02:54] <holo> xubuntu is mainly a window manager alternative, window managers manage windows, that' all.. don't give so much importance to it
[02:54] <Technoid_India> why soo...
[02:55] <Technoid_India> that mens that i should stick to ubuntu...
[02:55] <holo> because its a window manager! its not about the applications you ran before
[02:55] <holo> the main important thing is that if you ran linux applications, they will still run in xubuntu, because xubuntu is a linux distribution
[02:55] <Technoid_India> this #channel isnt crowded enough !!!
[02:56] <holo> Technoid_India: depends on requirements, gnome is much more than a window manager (someone correct me if i'm wrong) and pretty damm heavy
[02:56] <holo> so with that machine i wouldn't run gnome, or better said, ubuntu version desktop
[03:00] <Technoid_India> holo: yes bro..gnome is damn Heavy...i tried to run ubuntu dextop installer on some new machines wid 256mb.... but it would take 15-25minutes to load the desktop itself....
[03:01] <holo> just the destkop? strange.. not even livecds take so much time
[03:01] <holo> anyway, yes, gnome is heavy, kde is heavy, xfce is not
[03:02] <holo> but don't expect to have the same level of integrated features in xfce
[03:02] <holo> everything comes with a but
[03:02] <Technoid_India> holo: but.... what ???
[03:03] <holo> kde for example has lots of features that make him being used by power users.. you can tweak anything
[03:04] <holo> with very user friendly interfaces
[03:04] <eldalion> is there a reason why xubuntu doesn't push for latest kernels like (k)ubuntu?
[03:04] <holo> gnome is know by its usability, and is also very powerfull
[03:05] <holo> xfce is very modular and light.. don't expect to have your life so easy if you want to tweak alot of things
[03:06] <holo> eldalion: i don't have any experience in xubuntu, but I can say that if the repos are the same, you can pull whatever kernel kubuntu users pull
[03:07] <eldalion> that's what i did, upgraded to 2.6.24, just wondered why it didn't come automatically
[03:08] <holo> Technoid_India: by releaning a xfce only distribution of ubuntu, users can have a even more pleasant desktop experience because of all the work that is put by developers in configuring and integrating the various tools of this fine window manager
[03:09] <holo> *releasing
[03:09] <TD-Linux> ubuntu 7.10 doesn't have 2.6.24
[03:09] <eldalion> TD-Linux: yes, confused with the alpha
[03:38] <j1mc> an ok article talking about suggestions for Xfce here: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/02/18/13/05/37-what-is-xfce-still-needing-to-be
[03:38] <j1mc> thing that's different about xfce is that it's only about 5 or 6 core guys who work on it in their spare time.
[03:39] <j1mc> it's not like gnome which has the backing of corporations and stuff.
[03:51] <holo> TheSheep: when you are here read this: I loaded the same xubuntu image with vmware, and it works.. looks like it was bochs fault somehow.. amazing!
[05:00] <cag> Hey, quick question
[05:00] <cag> Is there command that could reset my xfce settings?
[05:00] <cag> Because I can see the neither the top or bottom taskbar
[05:07] <cag> thanks for none of your help
[05:38] <Alex_001> hey guys!, just want to ask if samba is installed as the same as ubuntu 7.10?
[05:38] <Alex_001> by default I mean
[05:39] <zoredache> no it isn't installed by default
[05:40] <zoredache> but installing it is pretty easy
[05:40] <Alex_001> i see
[05:40] <zoredache> are you looking to setup a server, or just client stuff?
[05:41] <zoredache> anyway to get everything do the following in a terminal --  sudo apt-get install samba smbfs smbclient fusesmb'
[05:41] <Alex_001> 'cause I'm planning to migrate to xubuntu from a zenwalk linux cause I couldn't get samba working there on my laptop and I couldn't browse my windows network
[05:42] <zoredache> you understand that xfce has no integrated network browser?
[05:42] <Alex_001> just want to browse my windows network so I coould transfer files back and forth
[05:43] <zoredache> you can user you network, but you cannot browse it with xfce
[05:43] <Alex_001> what to install then after I install samba some sort of network browser?
[05:44] <Alex_001> my laptop is an old p3 750Mhz and I couldn't get ubuntu boot from there it just froze
[05:44] <zoredache> if you are looking just to browse you don't need samba, that is a server.  There are several howtos that descibe setting up afuse and fusesmb
[05:45] <zoredache> for example... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[05:46] <Alex_001> does that same applies to zenwalk 5?
[05:48] <zoredache> well I suspect there are similar things you could do on zenwalk,  I doubt the steps are exacltly the same...  I have never used it so I can't really answer that
[05:49] <Alex_001> i see
[05:49] <Alex_001> thanks for the info
[10:36] <jared_> Hey, is XFCE 4.2 faster or slower than XFCE 4.4?
[10:36] <TheSheep> jared_: faster to do what?
[10:39] <jared_> erm, use?
[10:39] <jared_> internet pretty much
[10:39] <jared_> coz im using a slow machine atm
[10:40] <jared_> and I got a lot faster going from GNOME to XFCE 4.2
[10:41] <TheSheep> jared_: I'm afraid you cannot browse www with xfce, you usually use firefox or some other browser for that
[10:43] <jared_> -.-
[10:43] <jared_> using the internet on XFCE is a lot faster than on GNOME
[10:43] <jared_> what I asked is if it would be faster to go to 4.4, or stay on 4.2
[10:45] <TheSheep> I can assure you that xfce doesn't affect your internet speed
[10:45] <TheSheep> so it should be the same for both of them
[10:45] <jared_> ergh
[10:46] <jared_> im not an idiot
[10:46] <jared_> I've done a CISCO course on networking and fundamental computing
[10:47] <jared_> and I know that my computer is a hell of a lot faster with XFCE than it was with GNOME, including internet usage
[10:47] <jared_> so I asked a simple question
[10:47] <jared_> is XFCE 4.4 faster or slower than 4.4?
[10:48] <jared_> *faster or slower than 4.2?
[10:48] <TheSheep> jared_: I'm sorry but I'm too stupid to understand your simple question. Maybe there is someone else here who would know. Sorry for introducing confusion.
[10:49] <jared_> ur a dick
[10:49] <DarthShrine> Lol.
[10:49] <TheSheep> :(
[10:50] <DarthShrine> Not quite sure where the relationship between xfce/gnome and internet speed is..
[10:51] <TheSheep> memory use probably
[10:51] <TheSheep> and caching
[10:52] <DarthShrine> Mmm
[10:52] <DarthShrine> I still don't buy it xD
[10:53] <TheSheep> "speed" is a very simple and obvious term that has no sense in computers :)
[10:54] <DarthShrine> ;)
[12:44] <mino> hi :) how can i hide drive icons from my desktop?
[12:46] <mino> no one a idea??
[12:49] <TheSheep> mino: settings->desktop settings->behavior
[12:49] <TheSheep> mino: the "show icons for" section
[12:52] <mino> TheSheep: but my created icons also get hidden... i only want to hide this auto generated
[12:53] <TheSheep> mino: use the checkboxes below
[12:53] <mino> if i use them its get ignored.. i can set only removable devices but i doesnt make any difference
[12:54] <mino> TheSheep: must i restart restart xfce or somehting?
[12:54] <TheSheep> mino: disable and enable the 'let xfce manage my desktop' at the top
[12:54] <TheSheep> mino: this is an annoying bug
[12:57] <mino> yeah really anoying also you must check the /trash box and disable and enable the upper box, then uncheck /trash and the trash link is gone
[12:59] <TheSheep> mino: it's going to be completely rewritten for xfce 4.6 though :)
[14:02] <slow-motion> hi
[15:05] <Technoid_India> Hi Everyone !!!
[15:05] <Technoid_India> ;-)
[15:07] <Technoid_India> any body here !!!
[15:10] <TheSheep> no
[15:10] <TheSheep> just us, mice
[15:12] <Technoid_India> TheSheep: can i know whats the basic requirements to install xubuntu ???
[15:13] <TheSheep> http://xubuntu.org/get#requirements
[15:15] <Technoid_India> are the command same...as v use in ubuntu (apt get, sudo apt get)....
[15:16] <TheSheep> yes
[15:16] <TheSheep> apt-get
[15:16] <Technoid_India> so whats the difference between ubuntu n xubuntu...??? window manager??
[15:17] <Technoid_India> TheSheep: n i can use all the software i used on my ubuntu workstation !!!
[15:17] <TheSheep> the window manager, the panels, file manager, etc., the default set of applications and the default settings
[15:17] <TheSheep> yes, you can even install ubuntu, xubuntu and kubuntu all at once and switch between them at the login screen
[17:52] <mino> hi i just plugin my headset, the sound of the boxes is still there and also on the headset :/ but i want only sound on my headset
[17:53] <mino> i already checked the mixer, there are only master and pcm + mic rulers... no difference between boxes(builtin) and headset
[18:00] <mino> hmm
[18:03] <holo> hi
[18:03] <maxamillion> mino: sound issues are kinda sketchy ... you might need to search around wiki.ubuntu.com for alsa configuration
[18:03] <maxamillion> holo: hello
[18:03] <holo> the installer is prompting me to cd1
[18:03] <holo> I don't want to put cd1
[18:04] <holo> I want to withraw to mainmenu
[18:04] <holo> but I can't.. how can i do this?
[18:04] <holo> hello maxamillion
[18:06] <holo> is there any forcing method to go to main menu?
[18:07] <holo> if not, this seems a installer missing option
[18:09] <zoredache> what installer are you using, where are you at?
[18:09] <zoredache> have you tried pressing ctrl-c
[18:14] <holo> trying
[18:15] <holo> gutsy
[18:15] <holo> i'm at prompt for first cd
[18:15] <holo> he is stupid suddenly he doesn't know he loaded himself
[18:15] <holo> the problem is i'm running this in vm
[18:15] <holo> so it brings me some problems
[18:16] <TheSheep> holo: did you have problems with the language menu previously?
[18:16] <holo> TheSheep: those problems didn't happen anymore since i changed from bochs -> vmware
[18:16] <TheSheep> holo: it would be probably still nice to report them
[18:16] <holo> I'm still installing though.. but at a higher step
[18:16] <holo> TheSheep: the problem is that I don't know where
[18:17] <holo> where does this bug belong?
[18:17] <TheSheep> !bugs | holo
[18:17] <ubotu> holo: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[18:17] <holo> I alreaady informed #bochs about this
[18:17] <holo> ok
[18:17] <TheSheep> holo: fill it against the installer or the xubuntu as a whole
[18:17] <holo> yes
[18:17] <TheSheep> holo: probably better fro the installer
[18:20] <holo> i'm also having now random hangs inside vmware
[18:20] <holo> so i made replication and survival of the fitest, to gurantee it goes to the end
[18:21] <holo> like 6 vms working at the same time with 64MB each
[18:21] <TheSheep> %)
[18:22] <holo> i had no other choice.. it just hangs, and always at different places
[18:22] <TheSheep> later you can pit them against each other in dos attacks ;)
[18:22] <holo> but it seems that since i made the replication, it doesn't hang anymore.. but i'm sticking to the model
[18:22] <holo> anyway, this seems evil influence, i don't find other reason
[18:23] <TheSheep> maybe your iso was cursed?
[18:23] <holo> TheSheep: the ones that get further survive, others just die (removed)
[18:24] <holo> TheSheep: maybe not cursed, but maybe my negative thought about being successfull in this task, bring bad events
[18:25] <holo> even the impossible events can, will and already happened. my influence will make them probable of happening to me
[18:26] <holo> the impossible events will hide themselves behind the laws we established for the universe, so we will never see them unless we adequate the laws
[18:27]  * TheSheep brings an Occam's razor
[18:28] <holo> one of the vm's apparently died.. i was getting worried :)
[18:29] <holo> zoredache: ctrl+c doesn't work
[18:30] <holo> neither in the prompt, nor when imediatly after I prompt an invalid path
[18:32] <zoredache> holo: have you considered that maybe your hardware is failing?  If you are getting hang ups and weird behavior as frequently as you are describing then I would suggest you run memory test followed by a hard disk diagnostic
[18:35] <holo> ok
[18:35] <TheSheep> holo: you can switch to a shell with alt+f2
[18:36] <holo> can I dot memtest on boot and hd diagnostic with mounted partitions?
[18:36] <holo> *memtest after boot
[18:36] <holo> TheSheep: ehm.. I have X terminals
[18:36] <holo> TheSheep: and its actually ctrl+alt+f2 from X
[18:38] <TheSheep> holo: it's alt+f2 in text mode
[18:39] <holo> TheSheep: yes, how do you think I am in text mode if I'm running 6 VM's?
[18:40] <TheSheep> holo: the vms are in text mode
[18:40] <TheSheep> holo: there ashould be some way to send alt+f2 to them
[18:41] <holo> haa
[18:41] <holo> TheSheep: sorry, I thought you were saying that in the host OS
[18:41] <holo> ok, a moment
[18:42] <holo> ok, i'm in busybox
[18:42] <holo> thanks alot TheSheep
[19:38] <holo> TheSheep: this is funny: one of the replicas that survived diddn't ask for the CD.. this is really ?uc??dup.. do you believe now my theories??
[19:40] <holo> i'm now in xubuntu login
[19:40] <holo> very nice sensation after this battle
[19:48] <march> hi
[19:48] <holo> hi
[19:49] <isul> does google earth run on xubuntu?
[19:49] <march> yes
[19:51] <march> isul: http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntuusers.de%2FGoogle_Earth&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ASCII
[19:52] <isul> thanks
[19:53] <march> You're welcome!
[20:13] <isul> oh wow
[20:13] <march> Already installed google earth?
[20:13] <isul> yeah
[20:13] <isul> I installed it, but when I ran it for the first time it logged me off
[20:14] <isul> that was wierd
[20:14] <march> that's odd :/
[20:14] <isul> looked like it was going to work.  the splash screen came up, but then I was back at xubuntu login
[20:18] <march> 3D-acceleration is working?
[20:18] <isul> yeah I was just thinking that.  maybe integrated SiS video chip doesn't meet opengl requirements for google earth?
[20:18] <isul> heh
[20:21] <isul> that doesn't seem right either though, because the opposite is true on windows.  opengl will work with this gpu while directx doesn't
[20:21] <march> Have you Compiz activated?
[20:22] <isul> umm, I dunno
[20:24] <march> disable it if it's activated
[20:24] <march> This may help
[20:27] <march> http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart1.shtml#introduction
[20:50] <holo> I can say that desktop xubuntu is a much more pleasant experience than kubuntu
[20:50] <holo> in kubuntu I always have a colesterol feeling
[20:51] <isul> like when you have eaten too many french fries?
[20:55] <holo> yes
[20:55] <holo> and a hamburger full of that white sauce
[20:55] <holo> I think my mood can be improved in xubuntu
[21:02] <holo> when I am mounting samba shares with pyneihborhood, it fails to mount
[21:02] <holo> what can be happening here?
[21:02] <holo> it sees the shares, but then it doesn't mount them
[21:32] <penney> Hi all: I'm getting crackly audio in my xfce based Ubuntu.  It seems to only happen with videos, but I've basically uninstalled all my questionable codecs and only have gstreamer stuff left... I think it may be an alsa/oss issue I'm sort of a n00b when it comes to this.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
[21:33] <slow-motion> n8
[22:07] <encrypt128bit_> anyone know if compiz fusion works with XFCE?
[22:07] <eldalion> yes it does
[22:07] <encrypt128bit_> is there any special insall ways or can i install it just like unbuntu?
[22:08] <eldalion> same as ubuntu
[22:08] <encrypt128bit_> Thanks
[22:20] <encrypt128bit> So im trying to install xubuntu, its failing to install the kernel and on tty4 im reading this: (apt-install:  Failed to fetch cdrom:[Xubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbion_ - Release i386 (20071016)]/pool/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic_2.6.22-14.46_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch <-- that mean my cd is probably corrupt? =p
[22:36] <ron_o> encrypt128bit, it looks like it.
[22:37] <ron_o> the thing is there might not be a real way of testing it to know for sure. I just d/l another one or reburn it if it md5s correctly.
[22:38] <encrypt128bit> the md5 was fine on the iso
[22:38] <ron_o> I thought that ubuntu has a way of checking the cd for defects, but I guess you at least have to boot some in order to get to that point. :/
[22:38] <encrypt128bit> and i checked the cd though the ubuntu check, and it said it was fine too
[22:38] <encrypt128bit> =\
[22:38] <TheSheep> encrypt128bit: there is an optin at boot to check the cd for defects
[22:38] <encrypt128bit> yea i did that
[22:38] <encrypt128bit> it didnt find any defects
[22:38] <ron_o> hmm, just repeat everything again  before worrying too much.
[22:38] <TheSheep> then it should be fine
[22:39] <TheSheep> maybe the cd drive had a hiccup?
[22:40] <ron_o> there are just so many possible scenarios to know for sure why it failed. My old computer wouldn't fricking read some CDs even though once I had an OS installed it worked fine.
[22:40] <ron_o> never figured that one out.
[22:42] <encrypt128bit> see this all goes back to my original problem, heh. what do you think this means?
[22:42] <encrypt128bit> http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/jfiorini/linux%20install/?action=view&current=100_1010.jpg
[22:42] <encrypt128bit> thats a photo of my screen with the error message its giving me
[22:43] <encrypt128bit> well, its pretty much the same as what the cd gives me, that was actually when i was using unetbootin to install ubuntu
[22:43] <encrypt128bit> but i get this error every time i install no matter what i install from
[23:06] <ron_o> are you doing a network install?
[23:08] <ron_o> encrypt128bit,
[23:08] <encrypt128bit> No
[23:08] <encrypt128bit> on that screen shot i was using unetbootin
[23:09] <encrypt128bit> so i was installing from the internet i guess
[23:09] <ron_o> UNetbootin is a simple open source tool that allows you to install a variety of distributions over the Internet, without burning a CD.
[23:09] <ron_o> yah, network install as it's said.
[23:10] <ron_o> I don't know why it's failing. But you should just try the normal CD install. Reburn it if you have to, Burn it DAO, at the slowest speed possible.
[23:11] <ron_o> always burn ISOs Dics at once, or DAO.
[23:13] <encrypt128bit> yea
[23:13] <encrypt128bit> i always do.
[23:14] <encrypt128bit> for some reason it just isnt working... want me to show you what its doing right now with my cd?
[23:14] <ron_o> sure.
[23:20] <encrypt128bit> ron_o uploading a photo, link in a second
[23:21] <encrypt128bit> ron_o: http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/jfiorini/linux%20install/100_1349.jpg
[23:21] <encrypt128bit> thats installing from the cd right now
[23:22] <ron_o> it's an md5sum mismatch. Don't know what to tell you besides my advice already given.
[23:22] <ron_o> that sux when that happens.
[23:23] <encrypt128bit> yea, i know... but the cd checker from this cd doesnt detect any faults
[23:23] <ron_o> maybe try another *ubuntu version and see if anything changes.
[23:23] <encrypt128bit> and the md5 checks out on the iso
[23:23] <encrypt128bit> ive tried ubuntu and kubuntu same thing happens every time.
[23:23] <encrypt128bit> and ive used two different cd burners. *sigh*
[23:23] <ron_o> sorry about that. I've been there too. It's totally frustrating. :/
[23:24] <ron_o> damn.
[23:24] <encrypt128bit> yea, totally.
[23:24] <encrypt128bit> if i could buy a hard drive with xubuntu already on it, i totoally would.
[23:24] <encrypt128bit> heh
[23:24] <ron_o> you like xubuntu that much?
[23:25] <ron_o> xfce is great.
[23:25] <encrypt128bit> I just heard ubuntu was a good build, i saw xfce on a friends computer i like it
[23:26] <encrypt128bit> you know ive even tried installing fedora 8, and it doesnt work.
[23:26] <ron_o> for just an OS that does about anything you want, with a lot of help. *Ubuntu is for you.
[23:26] <encrypt128bit> I just think linux hates this machine
[23:26] <ron_o> it could be your hardware.
[23:27] <encrypt128bit> i dont see what would be wrong though, or what could be messing the install up.
[23:27] <ron_o> like I said, an old machine I had would and then wouldn't install linux. It was so frustrating.
[23:27] <encrypt128bit> Im on a newer machine though
[23:27] <ron_o> oh..
[23:27] <ron_o> intel mobo?
[23:27] <encrypt128bit> P4, a gig of ram, geforce 6800
[23:28] <ron_o> the thing is xubuntu has the latest kernel so you shouldn't have problems there. On this machine I found out I needed a kernal above 2.6.20 in order for me to install.
[23:28] <ron_o> but your machine is probably older than 6 months.
[23:29] <encrypt128bit> yea
[23:30] <encrypt128bit> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=59642&d=1202995686 my system specs in that file
[23:30] <encrypt128bit> i have a epox motherboard
[23:31] <ron_o> i need to log in in order to see it. I lost my account info. :/
[23:33] <encrypt128bit_> Epox EP-4PLA(I)
[23:33] <encrypt128bit_> thats my motherboard.
[23:33] <encrypt128bit_> *shrug* havent heard of any problems with it, but maybe no one else has one using ubuntu
[23:35] <ron_o> you could try updating your BIOS.
[23:36] <encrypt128bit> I've looked into it, but im unsure of where to find a newer bios
[23:36] <encrypt128bit> especially one that you can get for free
[23:36] <encrypt128bit> all i can find are places that want to sell you a bios upgrade
[23:37] <ron_o> http://www.warp2search.net/contentteller/news_story/new_bios_updates_b9b3.html
[23:37] <ron_o> look there for your mobo.
[23:37] <ron_o> what happened on my new system was that the CDs couldn't find my CD/DVD player, which meant it couldn't insgtall.


[02:04] <nigel_nb> Rocket2DMn: you around? have a doubt
[02:05] <Rocket2DMn> yo
[02:05] <nigel_nb> yesterday when triaging bugs, I came across an installation docs bug
[02:05] <nigel_nb> for karmic
[02:05] <Rocket2DMn> link/number?
[02:05] <nigel_nb> the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/installation-guide/+bug/501575
[02:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 501575 in installation-guide "link to 9.04 where 9.10 is more appropriate" [Undecided,New]
[02:05] <nigel_nb> I checked the source
[02:06] <nigel_nb> apparently, when the xml got changed to html, it was done on jaunty and so its jaunty everywhere instead of karmic
[02:06] <nigel_nb> thats just my guess, not really sure
[02:07] <nigel_nb> bug 501572 is also similar - jaunty instead of karmic
[02:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 501572 in installation-guide "href link to jaunty where karmic is best suited" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501572
[02:10] <Rocket2DMn> hmm
[02:10] <nigel_nb> can you fix it?
[02:11] <nigel_nb> it seems to be part of the wiki that's locked
[02:11] <Rocket2DMn> it's not on the wiki
[02:11] <Rocket2DMn> /community indicates the wiki
[02:11] <nigel_nb> oh, its just on the same domain
[02:11] <nigel_nb> but not part of wiki
[02:12] <Rocket2DMn> right
[02:13] <nigel_nb> so its not fixable? :(
[02:14] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not really clear on how the installation-guide stuff works, there was talk of writing something new for Karmic, but it looks like what we have is a modified version from Debian upstream
[02:14] <nigel_nb> hold on, I'll show you how the source looks, I branched it off yday
[02:17] <nigel_nb> Rocket2DMn: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/installation-guide/karmic/annotate/head%3A/en/install-methods/downloading-files.xml
[02:18] <nigel_nb> thats off the install docs branch
[02:20] <Rocket2DMn> i branched the source from lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/installation-guide/ubuntu
[02:21] <Rocket2DMn> well, it clearly is wrong, but there isnt anything i can directly do about it
[02:22] <nigel_nb> oh :(
[02:22] <nigel_nb> is it possible to submit a diff or something like that?
[02:22] <Rocket2DMn> i think you need to talk to cjwatson
[02:22] <nigel_nb> will he be around this time?
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> im not sure if he ever hangs out in here, you might try -devel or -bugs
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> are you in bugcontrol?
[02:23] <nigel_nb> bug squad
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> ok, well you can mark duplicates and confirm bugs
[02:23] <nigel_nb> yep
[02:24] <Rocket2DMn> it looks like the installation-guide is pretty neglected though
[02:24] <nigel_nb> yep
[02:24] <nigel_nb> I was hoping to do a thorough review of all the bugs and get it corrected :)
[02:25] <Rocket2DMn> sounds good, i would contact the maintainer first though to see if it is still actively developed, or if they plan to drop it
[02:25] <nigel_nb> I thought it was part of the doc team :(
[02:26] <Rocket2DMn> naw, it's not a branch we have access to
[02:26] <Rocket2DMn> that would make sense though :)
[02:26] <nigel_nb> yea, since doc team are the people who have the best chance and time to correct it
[02:27] <Rocket2DMn> i wouldnt go so far as to say that, but it would seem to be in our realm of work
[02:27] <nigel_nb> :)
[02:27] <Rocket2DMn> if you want to post patches for ubuntu-docs bugs, that would be great though :)
[02:27] <Rocket2DMn> we have a lot of outstanding bugs
[02:27] <nigel_nb> oh
[02:27] <nigel_nb> I'd love to
[02:27] <nigel_nb> I'm part of doc team anyway
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs
[02:28] <nigel_nb> yelp?
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> i've applied importance to most of them
[02:28] <nigel_nb> or xml format/
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> yelp is just the program that the docs are viewed in, they are written in docbook xml
[02:28] <nigel_nb> ah
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation
[02:28] <nigel_nb> can you walk me through the whole patching writing process?
[02:29] <nigel_nb> is it the same as for a deb?
[02:29] <Rocket2DMn> do yo uknow how to download a bzr branch?
[02:29] <nigel_nb> yep
[02:29] <Rocket2DMn> bzr branch lp:~some-branch right
[02:29] <Rocket2DMn> that is most of the work :)
[02:29] <Rocket2DMn> you can make edits to the files, then post diffs
[02:30] <Rocket2DMn> so for instance, bzr branch lp:ubuntu-docs
[02:30] <Rocket2DMn> gets you the development branch
[02:30] <nigel_nb> the trunk..
[02:30] <Rocket2DMn> the wiki link i posted about basicaly shows yo ueverything you need
[02:30] <Rocket2DMn> yes, essentially the trunk
[02:31] <Rocket2DMn> you can't push to it, but you can post diffs as patches in bugs
[02:31] <Rocket2DMn> walk through the Repository, Edition, Checking, and Submitting pages on the wiki link above
[02:31] <nigel_nb> okay :)
[02:31] <Rocket2DMn> basically after you make a change, you run (from the root of the branch): scripts/validate.sh document/C/document.xml
[02:32] <Rocket2DMn> let me just point out that some C/ folders have multiple files, but you always run that scripts against the xml file with the name of the super-super directory
[02:32] <Rocket2DMn> so for example, if you edit the web-servers.xml file in serverguide/C/
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> you still run scripts/validate.sh serverguide/C/serverguide.xml
[02:33] <nigel_nb> ah
[02:33] <nigel_nb> so I need to validate everything I edit
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> you can view the changes in yelp to make sure the formatting looks good and it reads well
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> yes
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> when you're finished, you run something like: bzr diff > ~/my-fix.patch
[02:34] <Rocket2DMn> then attach my-fix.patch to the appropriate bug report
[02:34] <Rocket2DMn> you can assign bug reports to yourself while you work on them, too
[02:37] <nigel_nb> Rocket2DMn: great :), will try fixing a few today :)
[02:38] <Rocket2DMn> awesome nigel_nb , i will review your patches when i get a chance
[02:38] <nigel_nb> :)
[02:38] <Rocket2DMn> thanks for helping out
[02:38] <nigel_nb> no problem, thanks for your time :)
[15:32] <Traveler5> anybody here?
[15:35] <Traveler5> I have question about the Ubuntu Documentation team
[18:03] <starcraftman> darn, missed the question from traveler
[21:14] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: question, I'm dealing with deletion cue. One of pages, forum/talk, I'm not sure how to find where it's linked to. Doing a linkto: search doesn't work cuz its so generic a name.
[21:16]  * Rocket2DMn looks
[21:17] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: what happens to the pages that have the tag not supported, do they get marked for deletion as well
[21:17] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: well depends. If they are relevant to today, they could be updated.
[21:17] <Rocket2DMn> it's not too generic, it links oyu back to the Deletion page which is the only page that links to it
[21:17] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: alright thanks :D
[21:17] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: ah, ok.
[21:18] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: if it's not relevent then yes, ya can tag it for deletion.
[21:18] <Rocket2DMn> there are actually a number of forum/ pages
[21:18] <dhillon-v10> dhillon-v10: alright just looking at that :) deleting pages is easy right, you just press delete
[21:19] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: on the community wiki? No, you need admin rights, and pages need delinking.
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> starcraftman, a lot of those forum/ pages can probably be deleted and/or have material moved to appropriate pages
[21:19] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: oh I know that
[21:20] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: ya it does seem there are a lot, I just did a quick search for forum. cue first.
[21:21] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: hey can you help me a little with packaging, I have a debdiff but I don't know if it looks right
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> dhillon-v10, idk anything about packaging, sorry man
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> i'd like to learn but cant seem to find the time
[21:22] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: alright :) thanks anyways
[21:23] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: you may wanna try #ubuntu-beginners-dev
[21:36] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: oh yah that too :)
[21:41] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: hehe, feels good deleting stuff. Does fill up recent changes quick.
[21:42] <Rocket2DMn> lol starcraftman , yeah, that's ok though, the wiki needs attention
[21:43] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: rgr, btw, question, know when first bt meeting is in Jan? I'm thinking of having a doc team meeting weekend after.
[21:43] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not sure, I was just thinking about when our next team meeting was
[21:43] <Rocket2DMn> afaik it hasn't been scheduled, normally it would be next Tuesday
[21:44] <starcraftman> right, that's what I thought, we usually meet first and third weeks no?
[21:44] <starcraftman> I'll ask bodhi or nhandler later, they do scheduling.
[21:49] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: what's the Package Pages option under more actions?
[21:49] <Rocket2DMn> I have no idea
[21:50] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: there a complete documentation on all these buttons? I'm afraid to click some things now that I'm admin ><
[21:50] <starcraftman> buttons > options
[21:51] <Rocket2DMn> whatever you do can be undone
[21:52] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: oh that's reassuring :p
[21:53] <Rocket2DMn> hehe
[21:58] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: oh geez, deleting pdf printer page. I remember when we still had to set that up annoyingly. Nice.
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> lol those were the days
[21:59] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: it's got a redirect on it, I have to delete redirects then the page right? Or is it automatic?
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> you need to delete any pages that redirect to it
[22:00] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: right, like I thought.
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> I wish there was a way to have it tell you if pages redirect to a page, even if you didnt take that redirect to get there
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> there might be a way, but idk what it is
[22:02] <starcraftman> hmmm, should be a way. Can ya search for the #redirect page markup?
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> im not sure
[22:04] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: this channel too quiet. This'd be perfect oppurtunity for someone to go "actually just do x, it's easy"
[22:06] <Rocket2DMn> indeed, but it's not a busy channel, so here we are
[22:07] <Rocket2DMn> I'm just trying to knock out a couple of bugs here before dinner
[22:09] <Rocket2DMn> starting SRU on a few bugs, though they will probably be rejected
[22:11] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: sounds good, I finished my gnomebaker page and made some other edits to others before doing admin. Overall pretty productive. Getting some chinese takeout for family tonight, nice reward :)
[22:12] <Rocket2DMn> awesome
[22:13] <Rocket2DMn> I haven't figured out what I'm doing for dinner yet, might go to my buddy's place and pick up a burrito on the way
[22:44] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: nifty, an ad for broadband in South Africa on docs.
[22:46] <Rocket2DMn> lol
[22:46] <Rocket2DMn> wiki page?
[22:46] <starcraftman> aye
[22:48] <Rocket2DMn> easy to remove
[22:48] <starcraftman> oh indeed, just amused.
[22:51] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: happy new year, later
[22:53] <Rocket2DMn> peace starcraftman


[12:34] <slickymasterWork> flocculant -> https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/1508810-12/+merge/275640
[12:34] <slickymasterWork> all done
[13:36] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: awesome - cheers :)
[13:36] <flocculant> means they'll be ready for daily landing tomorrow hopefully \o/
[14:54] <flexiondotorg> balloons, Do you have a moment?
[14:55] <balloons> flexiondotorg, yes
[15:27] <flocculant> balloons: happy post-release Monday :)
[15:28] <balloons> flocculant, thanks, same to you
[15:28] <flocculant> :)
[15:30] <balloons> now it's prep time for the LTS, and as part of that, UOS
[15:31] <flocculant> I've been prepping for LTS for a couple of weeks ;)
[15:36] <balloons> you are always ahead of the game. I've seen the work on the manual tests. I really appreciate that
[15:37] <flocculant> balloons: iso's should be up tomorrow - and we're pushing package testing this cycle - so that was necessary :)
[15:38] <flocculant> less iso testing - jit and just enough :p
[15:39] <balloons> I think that's a saner approach. Are you skipping any milestones then?
[15:39] <flocculant> a1
[15:39] <flocculant> but a2 really depends on how different that is from wily
[15:40] <flocculant> balloons: yep - we do have some new things, but mostly a bug fix cycle, and looking for our people to find usability issues to try and make the experience *nicer*
[15:41] <flocculant> obviously if we can get somewhere with jenkins and iso's that's going to make life a whole lot easier - at least we know it installs at that point
[15:45] <balloons> flocculant, yea, nuclearbob isn't feeling well today, but he owes us an update on what's happening. As far as I know there's still just one niggling lvm issue to work out, but things should be running
[15:46] <flocculant> cool
[16:05] <Pharmasolin> Hello everyone
[16:27] <flocculant> hi
[16:33] <Pharmasolin> For 16.04 needed some testcases or some tests on qa tracker with reports?
[16:35] <flocculant> Pharmasolin: not sure I understand what you mean
[16:43] <balloons> hello Pharmasolin
[16:45] <Pharmasolin> I want to help in 16.04 testing, and i want to know where i can help :)
[16:45] <Pharmasolin> flocculant: forget to mention
[16:47] <flocculant> aah right
[16:47] <flocculant> ok - well if you want to help with testcases - ubuntu studio might like some help
[16:48] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2015-October/006970.html
[17:02] <Pharmasolin> flocculant: thanks
[18:24] <flocculant> balloons: pingaling - never used orca - but I assume it's installable in more than ubuntu and works
[18:24] <flocculant> ?
[18:50] <flocculant> nvm - silly question :D
[19:05] <brendand> elopio, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22588/user-level-testing-for-ubuntu-phone/, please attend :)
[19:09] <balloons> flocculant, it's the screenreader
[19:09] <balloons> it's on every iso
[19:09] <flocculant> yea - you missed the nvm comment :)
[19:10] <balloons> speaking of sessions; http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22587/1604-lts-desktop-qa-plan/
[19:12] <flocculant> " we have to ensure " or " we have to be assured"
[19:13] <flocculant> depends what you want to say :)
[19:13] <elopio> brendand: sure.