[20:40] <rberger> Using UEC, is there really no way to specify the /dev/sdx device of an EBS Mount? It seems you have to manually figure out which device the instance magically chose by grepping dmesg. Is this really true? It makes it hard to automate. ec2-describe-volumes says something like unknown,requested:/dev/sdb but it doesn't mean that its attached to /dev/sdb
[20:58] <erichammond> rberger: This channel is not active.  You may want to try #ubuntu-server or #eucalyptus
[20:59] <rberger> Thanks, I always forget which channel is good or not.


[12:16] <jdong> how would I build a list of all the files in a directory who (1) are not dot-files (2) also do not reside in directories beginning with .?
[12:16] <zOrK> ls directory/* |grep -v . > list.txt
[12:16] <zOrK> (maybe)
[12:17] <jdong> zOrK: that gets rid of anything with a dot :)
[12:17] <jdong> and isn't recursive
[12:17] <jdong> maybe using a combination of find and grep -v with better regex....
[12:17] <zOrK> oh, you want to be showed everything containing .?
[12:17] <jdong> no, just don't show .*
[12:18] <jdong> "hidden files" :)
[12:33] <jdong> Broadcast message from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:33] <jdong>         (/dev/pts/2) at 18:32 ...
[12:33] <jdong> The world is going down for system-halt in 60 minutes!
[12:33] <jdong> wow I hate getting those types of e-mails
[12:33] <jdong> am I supposed to find it amusing?
[12:34] <zOrK> yes, you do
[12:34] <mc44> jdong: not<EMAIL_ADDRESS>how odd
[12:34] <jdong> no kidding I thought only Santa lived there
[12:34] <jdong> it gets worse than that
[12:35] <jdong> I get people trying to send me nigerian e-mail scam parodies
[12:35] <jdong> and best part is my spam filter pounces on them too :D
[02:19] <keescook> jdong: find . -type f | fgrep -v /.          ?
[02:20] <jdong> keescook: yeah that's what I eventually used :)
[02:21] <jdong> thanks for the reply
[02:21] <keescook> jdong: sweet.  I've actually wanted to do that before, so that was kind of fun to sit down and figure out.  :)
[02:21] <jdong> :)
[02:21] <jdong> a cheap md5summing system
[02:21] <jdong> keescook: while we're talking.....
[02:22] <jdong> keescook: clamav needs some security love, IIRC
[02:22] <jdong> dapper and edgy I believe
[02:22] <keescook> hm, you sure?
[02:22] <keescook> new stuff?
[02:23] <jdong> 0.88.4->0.88.6's changes, I think
[02:23] <keescook> I swear I did updates during the edgy devel cycle for clamav security.
[02:23] <jdong> maybe I'm mistaken
[02:23] <keescook> and I see that dapper has gotten two updates already
[02:23] <jdong> let me take a closer look
[02:24] <jdong> I'm just going by what others have said to me so far
[02:24] <keescook> the issue people tend to have complained about is the version differences
[02:24] <keescook> but we don't do version bumps, we just do security patches
[02:24] <jdong> I understand that
[02:24] <jdong> let me try to find that e-mail
[02:24] <keescook> so while it says it's 0.88.2, it's got the 0.88.6 updates.  (I think)
[02:24] <jdong> it actually listed two (?) by name
[02:24] <keescook> however, if you find some patches it's missing, I'd love to see them in there.
[02:25] <keescook> a lot of folks use clamav, so I try to keep it up to date even if it's in universe.
[02:25] <jdong> yeah, likewise
[02:25] <keescook> so, dapper's clamav has fixes for CVE-2006-4018 CVE-2006-4182 CVE-2006-5295
[02:26] <jdong> 4182 and 5295 are the ones in that e-mail... which are patched in d-s
[02:26] <jdong> so never mind
[02:26] <keescook> okay, cool.  No problem.  Always good to double-check.  :)
[02:26] <jdong> though 0.88.4's backport... GRR I shouldn't have done that
[02:26] <jdong> that was before your times, keescook :)
[02:27] <keescook> heh
[02:27] <jdong> when I had trouble getting clamav patches for d-s
[02:28] <jdong> hmm... I think my only option here is to backport a newer clamav
[02:28] <keescook> what's the issue?
[02:28] <jdong> dapper-backports has a 0.88.4 backport
[02:28] <jdong> which needs 0.88.6 loving
[02:28] <jdong> so those with backports enabled are still at risk
[02:28] <jdong> since 0.88.4 > 0.88.2
[02:28] <keescook> oooh, the dapper-backports 0.88.4 is vuln.  I see
[02:29] <jdong>  -> Considering  dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.19)
[02:29] <jdong>       Tried versions: 1.13.11ubuntu7 1.13.11ubuntu6
[02:29] <jdong>    -> Does not satisfy version, not trying
[02:29] <jdong> lovely :)
[02:29] <keescook> ack
[02:29] <keescook> let me know what happens with that, I've gotta split.  cya
[02:30] <jdong> have fun
[02:30] <jdong> I think I can backport edgy's to dapper
[02:30] <jdong> for this time around
[02:35] <shawarma> Does anyone here have a debian sid system somewhere?
[02:35] <root> deos anybody knows what's the name of the package which automatic recognizes all the stuff?
[02:35] <shawarma> all the stufF?
[02:36] <minghua> shawarma: I do
[02:36] <shawarma> minghua: Excellent. Could you run 'apt-file serach dsextras.py' for me?
[02:37] <minghua> I don't have apt-file installed
[02:38] <minghua> but you can search at packages.debian.org
[02:38] <jdong> root: I think you mean 'file'?
[02:38] <shawarma> minghua: Oh, really?
[02:38] <shawarma> minghua: I'll do that then.
[02:38] <minghua> (which shows there is no dsextras.py in i386 unstable)
[02:40] <shawarma> minghua: Er.. Yes there is.
[02:40] <shawarma> minghua: python2.3-gtk2
[02:41] <shawarma> minghua: My mistake. python-gtk2
[02:41] <minghua> shawarma: ah yes, I see there is something wrong with javascripts of my browser
[02:43] <fernando> hi all
[02:46] <jdong> minghua: you could've stopped 3 words sooner and we would've accepted that ;-)
[02:47] <minghua> right.
[02:59] <theCore> cool, my setup is coming nicely
[03:05] <theCore> bzr builddeb is very nice
[03:05] <theCore> it does exactly what I wanted
[03:07] <theCore> (sorry guys, I though I was -motu)
[03:07] <theCore> thought I was in*
[04:24] <somerville32> Hey
[04:24] <somerville32> What is the issue with pppoe?
[04:37] <somerville32> What is the big issue with pppoe?
[05:21] <somerville32> Hobbsee, maybe you could elaborate a bit. I don't know anything about the issue so I don't know why there would be a "bug"
[05:21] <somerville32> It seems like a lack of implementation to me
[05:21] <Hobbsee> oh right, i thought you were talking about the pppoe | ppp dependancy thing, which someone was talking about in -bugs
[05:22] <Hobbsee> that simply proves that you didnt give enough information at all, so shouldnt expect to be answered
[05:22] <Hobbsee> at least, in teh way you want, anyway
[05:23] <somerville32> ...
[05:24] <somerville32> I was talking about the fact that you need to use the CLI to configure pppoe
[05:26] <Hobbsee> you didnt say that.
[05:27] <somerville32> Ugh oh.
[05:27] <Hobbsee> [14:37]  <somerville32> What is the big issue with pppoe?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> [14:24]  --> somerville32 has joined this channel (n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034078085.nb.aliant.net).
[05:27] <Hobbsee> [14:24]  <somerville32> Hey
[05:27] <Hobbsee> [14:24]  <somerville32> What is the issue with pppoe?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> ...like i say, you didnt actually say *what* the problem was
[05:27] <Hobbsee> and most people cant mindread
[05:28] <somerville32> They told me you had special powers >.>
[05:29] <somerville32> lol
[05:29] <Hobbsee> i have many.  mind reading...not all the time
[05:30] <somerville32> Anyhows, what is the big issue with developing a solution to the problem of requiring the command line interface to configure Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet connections?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> i suspect it's because no one's got both the time and motivation to actually code it.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> if someone's volunteering, then it will be added, i would assume
[05:32] <somerville32> A super-duper-quick fix would be to add zenity as a dep and then use that instead of whiptail.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> you could always file a wishlist bug for it
[05:35] <somerville32> Well, SABDFL said to contact him personally if there was anyone interested in working on it
[05:35] <somerville32> I wonder what the big deal is
[05:37] <Hobbsee> no idea at all.  and i doubt you'll find the people in here on a sunday who do
[08:29] <dilinger> hah!
[08:29] <dilinger> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140059358848
[08:31] <somerville32> :]
[10:49] <Zdra> is there a reason why I often get almost empty backtraces using bugbuddy ? If I use gdb I get full bt with all symbols...
[11:23] <dade`> ahah alt tab non fa l'anteprima delle finestre minimizzate
[11:23] <dade`> e cos'e' sono in castigo ?
[11:24] <_ion> Yes, the whole Internet obviously speaks Italian.
[11:24] <dade`> ops, sorry
[11:24] <dade`> wrong channel again
[11:24] <giskard> _ion, yeah you will be assimilated ;)
[04:54] <sfllaw> Yay!  Snow!
[04:54] <rmjb> sfllaw: where?
[04:54] <sfllaw> Here.
[04:54] <sfllaw> In Montral.
[04:54] <rmjb> :) thanks
[04:54] <sfllaw> It's falling upwards.
[04:55] <rmjb> upwards... too much wind?
[04:55] <sfllaw> No, the flakes are big.
[04:55] <sfllaw> And they're picking up draughts.
[04:55] <rmjb> nice
[04:56] <sfllaw> I'd be sad without snow.
[04:57] <rmjb> meh, never miss what you don't have
[04:57] <rmjb> I live on Mars btw
[04:58] <sfllaw> Do you have water?
[04:58] <rmjb> heh, okay I live in the caribbean... lots of water, no snow
[04:59] <sfllaw> I've never been there either.
[05:00] <rmjb> next UDS should be in the caribbean somewhere... suggest it :)
[05:00] <sfllaw> I've suggested a lot of places.
[05:00] <Washboy> Hi. I was wondering if any of the devs of ubuntu has looked on the gobohide patches, and if so, what they thought of it?
[05:04] <sivang> sfllaw: I've never seen real snow
[05:04] <sfllaw> Lots of people will tell you it's terrible.
[05:04] <sfllaw> But I've always loved snow and I think I always will.
[05:04] <sivang> sfllaw: I think, as already told me the habitants of a town called Ithaca in upstate New York.
[05:04] <keescook> being cold is terrible.  snow is wonderful.  :)
[05:05] <Washboy> ^^.. snow is fun, the cold is not :P.
[05:05] <sivang> sfllaw: I think I could learn to love snow as I love rain
[05:05] <sivang> keescook: get well soon
[05:05] <rmjb> the one time I saw it was great, but I like my warmth... and not having to dread holding a door handle when going into a building
[05:05] <keescook> sivang: eh?  I'm well!  :)
[05:05] <keescook> sivang: I was just meaning that people that hate snow usually don't realize it's the cold that's bad.  :)
[05:05] <sfllaw> rmjb: That's what gloves are for!
[05:06] <sfllaw> keescook: Yeah, being too hot or too cold is no good.
[05:06] <rmjb> some times gloves aren't enough... or maybe I dunno how to buy gloves
[05:06] <sfllaw> You can get really good gloves.
[05:07] <sivang> even if it's cold, as long as it's not humid cold, that is okay
[05:07] <sivang> humid cold is the worst ever
[05:07] <sfllaw> Like chilly rain.
[05:07] <sivang> it can get irritating even at "warm" temps as 10-15-20C
[05:07] <sivang> which is very common here at the moment
[05:08] <rmjb> 20C is COLD for us in TnT
[05:08] <sivang> sfllaw: something like that, yes, that is why many folks that have chronic breathing problems from Israel felt great even when it was -16 in Montreal or upstate New York.
[05:09] <sivang> sfllaw: (some relatives how had lived there for 2 years over one's post doc. position)
[05:12] <sivang> humid cold is the worst enemy of folks with chronic sinus infections.
[05:12] <sivang> anyway, this is not #ubuntu-medicie
[05:12] <sivang> *medicine
[05:25] <Washboy> I am going to repeat my question ^^.  I was wondering if any of the devs of ubuntu has looked on the gobohide patches, and if so, what they thought of it?
[05:50] <ivoks> it's sunday
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> geeze
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> Mark is awesome
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> is he some kind of bazillionaire?
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> *sabdfl
[06:00] <bluefoxicy> http://www.mozilla.org/security/bug-bounty.html  <-- just found out about this last night
[06:04] <somerville32> bluefoxicy: Yes.
[06:04] <bluefoxicy> heh
[06:09] <Washboy> 8-).. sunday is no excuse! geeks are geeky no matter which day in the week it is :P.
[06:27] <juliux> hi all, i have a problem with the cupsys package under edgy, if i try to install it i get this error http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/5669/
[06:32] <somerville32> juliux: Please file a bug report. This channel isn't for support :)
[06:32] <juliux> somerville32, that isn't a suppor question it is a question about the package;)
[06:33] <somerville32> I don't see a question.
[06:33] <somerville32> :)
[06:34] <juliux> somerville32, i will report a bug report
[06:35] <juliux> somerville32, i think that * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                                                                cupsd: Child exited on signal 11!
[06:35] <juliux> invoke-rc.d: initscript cupsys, action "start" failed.
[06:35] <juliux>  in the postinstall make nosens because it blocks the correct installation
[06:36] <mdke> the bug report will be fine
[06:37] <mdke> it doesn't help trying to chase up bugs in here, imagine if everyone did that with all the bugs open on Ubuntu!
[07:09] <somerville32> _o/
[07:11] <Keybuk> put that hand down ...
[07:11] <somerville32> _o_
[07:12] <somerville32> keybuk: Are you busy?
[07:13] <dade`> <o/` dance.
[07:14] <dade`> o9 muscle
[07:14] <somerville32> :]
[07:14] <dade`> /o\ pwnd
[07:14] <dade`> /o/   ..o running
[07:15] <dade`> I'm one of the createst omini artist.
[07:18] <Keybuk> somerville32: what's up?
[07:19] <somerville32> keybuk: I wanted to chat about Xubuntu stuff.
[07:19] <Keybuk> somerville32: oh?
[07:19] <somerville32> Yup.
[07:19] <somerville32> :]
[07:21] <somerville32> Are you free? :]
[07:21] <Keybuk> not right now
[07:21] <somerville32> Alright.
[08:18] <somerville32> After Feisty, the development code name should be Galloping Gecko :]
[08:20] <desrt> that would make the archive name 'galloping'
[08:20] <desrt> not too catchy :)
[08:20] <somerville32> Gleaming goldfish then?
[08:20] <somerville32> Groovy Gator?
[08:21] <desrt> groovy seems like a fairly likely name
[08:21] <desrt> our names have tended to end in y's
[08:21] <somerville32> Maybe the focus of feisty+1 will be multimedia then
[08:23] <jdong> somerville32: you mean like Illegal Iguana or something?
[08:23] <jdong> (oops, that wasn't meant to be a Novell joke... sorry... :D)
[08:23] <somerville32> lol
[08:23] <desrt> pattented perogie
[08:23] <somerville32> Kinky Koala
[08:23] <jdong> somerville32: ooh new artwork!
[08:23] <desrt> wow.  way to misspell both words.
[08:23] <jdong> lol
[08:24] <desrt> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4484390.html
[08:24] <jdong> any suggestions on testing PHP/MySQL applications without setting up a full-blown Apache?
[08:25] <desrt> jdong: there is a cli version of php
[08:25] <jdong> like some sorta cheap HTTP daemon that could be started just for testing...
[08:25] <desrt> jdong: and you can write your php scripts in such a way that they don't assume cgi
[08:25] <jdong> well then stuff like HTTP form input wouldn't work
[08:25] <desrt> oh.  just install apache.
[08:26] <jdong> lol
[08:26] <jdong> I was figuring that'd be my answer
[08:26] <dade`> hi desrt
[08:26] <desrt> hello dade
[08:26] <dade`> desrt: how is it going with the macbook ?
[08:27] <desrt> dade; haven't had much chance to do any hacking lately.  school has been crushing my soul.
[08:27] <dade`> desrt: mine too, infact I spent time on hacking :P
[09:46] <ailean> ello all
[09:47] <somerville32> Hey
[09:47] <cassidy> any idea when the Herd 1 will be released ?
[09:47] <ailean> does devel go on through the weekend or what? :)
[09:48] <ailean> cassidy, it's there
[09:48] <Mithrandir> ailean: no, it's not.
[09:48] <Mithrandir> cassidy: hopefully tomorrow.
[09:48] <ailean> cassidy, sorry, i thought it was released on thurs
[09:49] <cassidy> Mithrandir: thanks :)
[10:37] <lifeless> are there any other maintainer scripts than 'preinst and postrm' that are usefully able to cotnain dpkg-divert calls ?
[11:10] <somerville32> Whats the package name for that "Add/Remove Applications" program?
[11:10] <Zdra> somerville32: gnome-app-install ?
[11:11] <somerville32> Perfect, thanks
[11:49] <wasabi> initramfs question. Does "prereq" mean only in the current rundir?
[11:49] <wasabi> FOr instance, local-top/evms prereq's udev
[11:49] <wasabi> but udev is in init-bottom
[11:56] <lifeless> wasabi: AFAIK, yes.
[11:58] <wasabi> so that would be a bug which prevents me from booting


[00:07] <vish> Technoviking: there was actually a discussion about adding a capplet to Control Centre(system settings), with just the Unity plugin options
[00:07] <jcastro> hahaha
[00:07] <jcastro> too bad we can't add things to the control center anymore. :p
[00:08] <vish> yea, that was part of the reason why they wanted to have a public api
[00:09] <jcastro> seriously someone should just fix simple-ccsm
[00:10] <vish> they dint want simple-ccsm either,  didrocks knows more about that
[00:11] <vish> upstream (rodrigo,desrt) did seem to agree to let distros have the option to set whitelists for which ones can appear there, else it would probably be hacked in Ubuntu , we atleast need to get a few of our settings in there
[00:11] <jcastro> well I just mean about having a config tool for it
[00:13] <vish> yea, they dismissed that, since that would be a shot-term fix. Eventually Unity options *are* system settings and Ideally we need to have them in one place
[00:13] <vish> short*
[00:14] <vish> would be odd in GNOME3 when everything else is in the control center when the Unity options alone need a separate tool
[00:19] <jono> alright folks
[00:20] <jono> Ubuntu Power Users mailing list - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-power-users
[00:21] <popey> ooooooh
[00:21] <popey> mister jono and his ability to get mailing lists created at the click of his fingers
[00:21] <jono> ;-)
[00:21] <jono> I think it would be awesome to see a community form around delivering the needs of power users
[00:22] <jono> such as the ideas I outlined in my blog entry
[00:22] <jono> would be cool to have a range of kitchen-sink configuration packages (e.g. ubuntu-configuration-desktop or something)
[00:23] <jcastro> jono: you made the mistake of publishing the list in front of popey
[00:24] <jcastro> now it will get shut down!
[00:24] <jono> hah
[00:24] <jono> lol
[00:24] <jono> wapaa!
[00:24] <popey> far from it
[00:26] <popey> GNNNNNNNN @ ubuntu-users
[00:26] <popey> this guy keeps subscribing under different addresses
[00:26] <popey> posting utter shite
[00:27] <jcastro> popey: how did that bikeshed list end up?
[00:27] <popey> 40 members
[00:28] <popey> compare with 4970 on -users
[00:31] <jcastro> I don't really need a config tool
[00:31] <jcastro> I need 32px launcher by default and backlight set to toggle.
[00:31] <jcastro> that would make me happy
[00:51] <highvoltage> heh, I think I heard jcastro say that like, 30 times at UDS :)
[00:51] <highvoltage> (well, at least the 32px part)
[01:07] <jcastro> highvoltage: it's called "default by insurgency"
[01:28] <mhall119> jcastro: submit a patch :P
[01:44] <mhall119> am I the only one who sees an irony in trying to make Ubuntu easier for power users?
[01:46] <IdleOne> easier how?
[01:47] <mhall119> jono gave an example of making an ubuntu-expert-desktop package to automatically install all the necessary customization apps
[01:48] <IdleOne> if anything it would be a time saver
[01:49] <IdleOne> will it remove Unity ? :)
[01:49] <mhall119> but it all seems based on the notion that "It's too complicated for power users, we need to make it simpler"
[01:50] <mhall119> IMO, if they don't know where to find the customization apps and settings, why are we calling them power users?
[01:50] <IdleOne> too complicated sounds like the opposite of what a power user would think
[01:50] <IdleOne> I guess it depends on ones definition of power user
[01:51] <mhall119> I guess
[01:51] <IdleOne> but I think simplifying common repetitive tasks is not a bad idea
[01:51] <mhall119> I'm good with that
[01:51] <mhall119> I like meta packages
[01:52] <mhall119> I just don't see a power user being blocked for lack of one
[01:53] <IdleOne> maybe call it ubuntu-semi-expert-desktop
[01:54] <IdleOne> for those who want to move up the ladder
[01:54] <mhall119> on the other hand, will a power user want to install a bunch of stuff, or will he want to cherry-pick only what he wants/needs?
[01:55] <IdleOne> I prefer to pick and chose but at the same time I appreciate packages like K-E-Xubuntu-desktop
[01:55] <IdleOne> makes things a lot easier from a support point of view.
[01:55] <IdleOne> people ask how do I install KDE simple answer, just install this one package.
[02:01] <mhall119> yeah, I just don't consider those folks power users
[02:02] <mhall119> I guess I'm just hung up on the name
[02:02] <mhall119> s/power users/tweakers/ and my complaint goes away
[02:19] <doctormo> vish: Ideally settings of all kinds would have designed interfaces and be carefully considered.
[03:02] <doctormo> I simply want to rage against whatever utter pillok thought it was a great idea to pop up that bloody upgrade screen, over and over and over
[03:02] <doctormo> Until users got sick to death with being nagged to upgrade and gave in
[03:03] <doctormo> _Another_ unhappy Ubuntu user phones me at 10pm at night panicking because the upgrade has toasted their computer. Rotten Xorg!
[03:04] <doctormo> And I am unhappy because every time it happens I have to apologise profusely for something that should never have made it into maverick.
[06:41] <IdleOne> mhall119: I just read jono's post. I am not sure I like the idea of a ubuntu-experts community, it makes me feel like it would be a separate community of "leet" users. I do like the idea of more configuration tools and I gather jono meant perhaps even all under one application (maybe a nicer/better ccsm). I don't like the idea of splitting the community into power-users and normal-users.
[06:42] <IdleOne> What makes this community great IMO is that the leet hang out with the not so leet like myself :)
[07:10] <jono> IdleOne, I agree we need plenty of intermingling
[07:10] <jono> but it is important also that Ubuntu is welcome to all
[07:10] <jono> and there is not a perception that Ubuntu is just for newbies
[07:11] <jono> I think we can optimize our community for newbies as well as expert users
[07:12] <nigelb> Morning folks!
[07:14] <nigelb> Daviey: haha, you englishman!  I didn't actually see you in the picture tho
[14:39] <nigelb> cjohnston: he's just ahead of Emmet if that helps.
[14:44] <mhall119> I'm all the way on the left, just below the balcony on the side
[15:24] <cjohnston> ///26
[15:24] <cjohnston> uggh
[15:29] <mhall119> need more /'s
[15:38] <nigelb> lol
[15:38] <nigelb> mhall119: About 42 ought to do the trick ;)
[15:54] <jcastro> OMG.
[15:54] <jcastro> kim0: kim0
[15:54] <jcastro> I found the problem with the slow alt-tab.
[15:56] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:56] <dholbach> jcastro, what is it?
[15:56] <jcastro> we set a delay of 2 milliseconds by DEFAULT!!!
[15:56] <jcastro> @#$%@#$%
[15:57] <dholbach> ?
[15:57] <jcastro> popup window delay in CCSM in "static switcher"
[15:57] <jono> howdy dholbach
[15:57] <dholbach> where's that?
[15:57] <popey> uh, yes jcastro
[15:57] <popey> I have pointed this out numerous times
[15:57] <popey> its bonkers
[15:59] <dholbach> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm bliss
[15:59] <jono> kim0, nearly ready to get jiggy with the roadmap review?
[15:59] <kim0> jcastro: oh! cool
[15:59] <kim0> jono: okie
[15:59] <nigelb> jcastro: \o/ WIN.
[16:00] <kim0> jcastro: 2ms sounds too small to be noticeable
[16:00] <jcastro> I just tried it
[16:00] <jcastro> it's totally fast now
[16:00] <kim0> woohoo cool
[16:01] <nigelb> jcastro: bitesize bug on the way? ;)
[16:02] <maco> czajkowski: how often do teams get reapproved?
[16:02] <jcastro> kim0: lmk how it works out for you (after your call, etc.)
[16:02] <kim0> jcastro: so it was pushed already ? cool
[16:02] <czajkowski> maco: ever2 years
[16:03] <maco> ah ok
[16:03] <czajkowski> why
[16:06] <ara> dpm, which is the blueprint on developer.ubuntu.com? I thought the session was very interesting, and I would like to subscribe
[16:07] <maco> czajkowski: i was confused by the blog post...didn't know if my loco was on the list to be reapproved or see a link to whatever group it is you mentioned for the admins
[16:07] <maco> er, bug i mean
[16:08] <maco> but i think we did it last year
[16:28] <czajkowski> jono: morning
[16:28] <czajkowski> maco: aye ye've done
[16:28] <czajkowski> jono: is doing a post that will list all 27 teams for this cycle to be approved
[16:28] <paultag> pretty pretty please
[16:28] <czajkowski> we figure putting it on his blog post means more people read it
[16:30] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/loco-council/approved
[16:30] <jussi> what, people actually read jono's blog? :P :P
[16:30] <AlanBell> would have been a handy link to have put in the mail
[16:31] <czajkowski> AlanBell: it was once it was clarified it was a mistake to leave out
[16:31] <jono> dholbach, just wrapped with kim0, you are next, pal :-)
[16:31] <jono> jussi, arsehole :-)
[16:31] <jono> czajkowski, I will get that up today hopefully
[16:32] <czajkowski> jono: great sooner the better as we've teams fretting they're being chosen.
[16:32] <czajkowski> thanks
[16:32] <jono> czajkowski, I am not sure my blog should be the primary place they find this info - did you post to loco-contacts?
[16:33] <czajkowski> jono: yes
[16:33] <czajkowski> but not listed the teams
[16:33] <jono> czajkowski, why not?
[16:33] <jussi> hehe
[16:34] <jono> dholbach, yoohoo?!
[16:34] <czajkowski> jono: becase each team contact got a bug mail sent yesterday to them we then mailed loco contacts to let them know that A) someone got the bug and B) re approvals are happening
[16:34] <jono> czajkowski, so what is the purpose of the blog entry?
[16:34] <jono> just visibility on the general process?
[16:35] <czajkowski> not everyone reads the loco contacts list
[16:35] <czajkowski> yes
[16:35] <jono> ok
[16:35] <jono> np
[16:35] <czajkowski> thank you
[16:35] <jono> :-)
[16:36] <dpm> ara, on a broadcast atm, let me come back to you in a few minutes with the link
[16:36] <jono> ara, you see, the minute he gets into Television, dpm just ignores us little people
[16:36] <jono> we should have seen the signs of this with his perfect hair
[16:37] <czajkowski> lol
[16:41]  * jono goes in and trolls dpm's videocast
[16:41] <czajkowski> there are some very strange people in ireland
[16:41] <czajkowski> and I love them and all that
[16:41] <czajkowski> http://www.tog.ie/2011/05/ubuntu-rocks/
[16:43]  * jono wonders where on earth dholbach went
[16:44] <czajkowski> jono: to check out his hair for his tv show clearly
[16:45] <jono> lol
[16:50] <jono> so it seems dholbach totally blew me off
[16:50] <jono> maybe he doesn't want to be friends anymore
[16:50] <czajkowski> getting a blow dry
[16:51] <czajkowski> jono: did something come of the bug of the wiki and internal server timeouts at UDS
[16:51] <jono> czajkowski, which bug?
[16:52] <jcastro> czajkowski: yeah I talked to charlieS
[16:52] <jcastro> basically over the next month they'll be upgrading individual wikis
[16:52] <jcastro> and then they will do the main wiki
[16:52] <jcastro> as well as move the FS on the machine to ext4.
[16:52] <czajkowski> thank FECK!
[16:52] <czajkowski> if I see that error once more I' going to find the server and kick it so hard and install vista on it !
[16:52]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro
[16:53] <czajkowski> jono: bug logged on the fact if you edit the wiki more often than not you get a server error
[16:53] <jcastro> they've been working on it for like months, it's a horrible mess
[16:53] <czajkowski> nods
[16:53] <jcastro> but it seems like most of the hard part is over
[16:53] <paultag> this is what we get for using Python
[16:53]  * paultag ducks
[16:53]  * czajkowski looks at the loco council monthly report
[16:54] <paultag> but really, MoinMoin?
[16:54] <czajkowski> it's going to be a fun cycle ahead of us
[16:54] <paultag> :)
[16:54] <czajkowski> :D
[16:54] <paultag> czajkowski: Oh we got this covered :)
[16:54] <paultag> czajkowski: I'm super stoked people are already asking for meetings :)
[16:54] <czajkowski> paultag: aye ireland is working on it as a team on saturday on irc
[16:54] <jcastro> he mentioned there's a company that charges for moin -> mediawiki conversion
[16:54] <czajkowski> and in person in dublin
[16:54] <jcastro> but it's expensive
[16:58] <Technoviking> maybe we should make a new wiki with mediawiki and have people transfer data from the Moin wiki they want to it. Would get rid of the uncare for pages quickly.
[16:58] <Technoviking> :)
[16:59] <paultag> oldwiki.ubuntu
[16:59] <Technoviking> jcastro: you run a new dual monitor setup in Unity correct?
[16:59] <jcastro> from what I understood moving to mediawiki was not completely off the table.
[16:59] <jcastro> yeah
[17:00] <Technoviking> how I remove the indicator from the second monitor only. they keep slowly moving off screen
[17:00] <jcastro> you can't. :-/
[17:00] <jcastro> they're supposed to be there by design, the moving off the screen is a bug. :-/
[17:01] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges
[17:01] <jcastro> WOO!
[17:01] <Technoviking> UNITY!!!!!!
[17:01] <jcastro> look at those pages BURN!
[17:01] <Technoviking> heh
[17:01] <paultag> I just switched to KDE :)
[17:02] <paultag> I can have my 2 screens again :)
[17:02] <Technoviking> paultag: I'm annoyed with Unity , not insane:)
[17:02] <paultag> hehehe
[17:02] <jcastro> the dual indicators just looks dumb
[17:02] <jcastro> but it's actually useful, you never have to mouse too far
[17:03]  * Technoviking feel the screams of a thousand Nixternals
[17:06] <nigelb> dpm: Nice job
[17:09] <czajkowski> jcastro: wow you're on a mission
[17:09] <czajkowski> jcastro: you know that stilll won't fix the wiki though :p
[17:09] <jcastro> right, still, plenty of crap to get rid of
[17:09] <czajkowski> :D
[17:10] <jcastro> I did a lightning talk, but it's not up yet.
[17:11] <nigelb> jcastro: darn, that's a lot of deletions
[17:11] <jcastro> czajkowski: I am declaring war on bad information
[17:11] <nigelb> czajkowski: There is one update on the wiki, not sure if you've seen that
[17:11] <nigelb> charlieS>AlanBell: sorry, a bit stalled due to the main person working on it being out sick (and a high switching cost to have someone else take over). Should resume on Monday.. at which time you'll have a test site to poke at and provide feedback on.
[17:12] <popey> jcastro: i did the same a while back getting rid of old specs
[17:12] <popey> ☺
[17:12] <jcastro> popey: this time I made everyone commit to deleting at least 5 pages this cycle
[17:12] <jcastro> per person
[17:12] <jcastro> ~600 people in the room
[17:12] <jcastro> it's a start
[17:13] <popey> do you put a reason?
[17:13] <popey> or just bin the page?
[17:13] <nigelb> oh, do you want a list of all the pages in the wiki? it 503's every now and then, but I could get you a static page.
[17:13] <jcastro> popey: if it's old crap like warty I don't bother
[17:13] <nigelb> (if it loads)
[17:14] <jcastro> if it's something that might or might not be useful I leave a note
[17:14] <jcastro> like, there was one for "let's have drinks with Mark at this pub" around breezy time.
[17:14] <jcastro> it's like, why keep that around
[17:14] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NigelBabu/index
[17:15] <jcastro> popey: for help.ubuntu.com you can just edit it and add a deletion thing up top
[17:15] <jcastro> and the editors will go through them and delete them
[17:15] <popey> i https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges there you go
[17:15] <popey> done my 5 and more
[17:15] <jcastro> we can probably delete everything hardware related and move to the database thing HW cert people are setting up
[17:15] <popey> ☺
[17:16] <paultag> ♥
[17:16] <jcastro> popey: oh, that reminds me
[17:16] <jcastro> I'm not really touching newish specs
[17:16] <jcastro> since cjwatson likes to refer to them, etc.
[17:16] <jcastro> so when the new wiki is up maybe we can put all specs in one place
[17:16] <jcastro> and keep those for historical reasons
[17:17] <czajkowski> paultag: you may regret showing popey those smileys
[17:18] <paultag> czajkowski: me? Never!
[17:18] <paultag> ← woo
[17:18] <dpm> thanks nigelb :)
[17:18] <dpm> jono, you troll! :P
[17:18] <jono> dpm, lol
[17:18] <jono> :-)
[17:19] <nigelb> heh
[17:21] <dpm> ara, it was https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-developer-ubuntu-dot-com-plans - I've just subscribed you to it
[17:21] <dpm> I need to refine the work items on it tomorrow, though
[17:23] <jcastro> popey: this is the easy stuff, when I ask to say, purge all the wireless pages since they're all outdated crap ... that will cause pain.
[17:24] <czajkowski> jcastro: much upset you're going to cause :)
[17:24]  * dpm doesn't miss the days in which wireless "just didn't work"
[17:25] <jcastro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[17:28] <jcastro> popey: when I get the video of my lightning talk I will blog about how to methodically get our wikis in shape
[17:28] <jcastro> I have ideas!
[17:28] <popey> cool
[17:29] <jcastro> popey: and Technoviking's working on the forums as well!
[17:30] <popey> what do you do about au?
[17:30] <popey> is there an 'obsolete' tag?
[17:30] <jcastro> no, you just delete it
[17:30] <jcastro> or update it
[17:31] <jcastro> basically, the same as you would with a wiki
[17:33] <popey> nice
[17:33] <jcastro> jono: we go in 30 minutes right?
[17:34] <jcastro> Technoviking: hey remember how you mentioned a "this post is useful" button for the forums?
[17:40] <jono> jcastro, yep
[17:46] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/35488/list-of-custom-launchers-quicklists-for-unity is awesome!
[17:57] <Technoviking> jcastro: yes, I hope to add it in the forums upgrade
[17:59] <jono> jcastro, all set?
[17:59] <jcastro> jono: 2 minutes please!
[17:59] <jono> jcastro, np
[18:00] <Technoviking> jcastro: hope to add this with a Rate post 1-10 opinion http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=233296
[18:00] <dpm> ok, time to call it a day, see you all tomorrow!
[18:00] <doctormo> Nightime already
[18:02] <jcastro> jono: ok all set!
[18:26] <nigelb> popey: Indeed. \o/
[19:18] <JFo> jono, my house is jumpin' ;)
[19:19] <JFo> the neighbor came over and asked me what I was listening to. :-)
[19:19] <jcastro> JFo: don't forget I need that forum thread feedback from your team to give to Mike
[19:20] <jcastro> JFo: I got sconklin's already
[19:20] <jono> JFo, nice!
[19:20] <JFo> jcastro, yep, pete sent out a mail about it
[19:20] <jcastro> ta
[19:20] <JFo> jono, older guy. I asked him if it was too loud and he said "nah, if it get s too loud, then I'm too old."
[19:20] <JFo> I was floored
[19:20] <jono> haha
[19:21] <JFo> he knew it was a Humble Pie song though
[19:21] <JFo> 30 Days in the Hole on the Live... WIth a Little Help From Our Friends album
[19:21] <doctormo> jono: Get my email last night?
[19:24] <jono> doctormo, yep
[20:12] <jcastro> caffeine break, bbiab
[20:17] <nigelb> JFo: You hit the nail on the head. The problem about fixing Lp bugs is learning to write the tests
[20:17] <nigelb> JFo: After 4 days, now I can say, I have "some" idea.
[20:17] <jono> Technoviking, can you config that list so we don't get emailed when someone joins?
[20:17] <jono> I thought I had fixed it
[20:20] <JFo> nigelb, :)
[20:21] <nigelb> JFo: But its a seriously good feeling though :-)
[20:22] <JFo> inded
[21:09] <Technoviking> jono: will do
[21:12] <paultag> I guess
[21:12] <paultag> Oh, I missed the ":"
[21:18] <mhall119> that's okay, he missed a pronoun and a subject
[21:52] <jcastro> popey: jono_
[21:52] <jcastro> http://blip.tv/ubuntu-developers/ubuntu-uds-o-budapest-friday-plenary-lightning-talks-5182944
[21:52] <jcastro> FFWD to 22:45
[21:52] <jono_> jcastro, awesome, thanks
[21:53] <jono_> on the eng. mgrs. call now, will check it soon
[21:53] <jono_> jcastro, http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/19/building-the-kitchen-sink/
[21:53] <jono_> just posted this while on the call
[21:58] <popey> jcastro: awesome talk dude1
[21:58] <popey> !
[21:58] <popey> DELETE!
[22:05] <doctormo> jcastro: good talk. Can I delete 5 wiki pages too?
[22:06] <jcastro> or 50!
[22:08] <doctormo> jono_: You could probably take gconf info and build a good ui around the majority of options.
[22:08] <doctormo> It just needs some hard assumptions.
[22:09] <jono_> doctormo, indeed
[22:09] <doctormo> jcastro: We can only delete pages in the wiki and not the guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_linuxwacom_driver needs to go.
[22:10] <jcastro> for help.ubuntu.com you need to add a delete tag
[22:10] <jcastro> and the wiki editor team will review it

[22:11] <jcastro> just add that at the top
[22:11] <doctormo> ok, thanks
[22:11] <jcastro> and for edit reason leave a note
[22:32] <jcastro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecentChanges
[22:32] <jcastro> I don't know who Connor Imes is, but he's my hero
[22:48] <popey> wow, awesome!
[22:48] <popey> i am going to mention your talk on the podcast next week
[22:49] <popey> try to get more people deleting content
[22:49] <jcastro> popey: do you have the creds of the youtube account?
[22:49] <popey> i think so, yes
[22:49] <popey> one mo
[22:51] <jcastro> popey: can you mark the licenses on the UDS-O videos?
[22:52] <jcastro> the online youtube editor says I can edit it if the license is set to CC
[22:52] <popey> jono_: i logged in to the ubuntu developers youtube account, i forced me to link it to a google account and defaulted to yours
[22:52] <popey> so i did that
[22:52] <popey><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:52] <popey> you will probably get a mail about it
[22:52] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cxs9OHIBcs
[22:52] <jcastro> this one specifically
[22:52]  * AlanBell can see a problem with a huge "please delete our content" call to the internetz
[22:52] <jcastro> so I can edit out an individual video
[22:53] <popey> i see no license option
[22:53] <jcastro> AlanBell: not the internet
[22:53] <jcastro> just within the project
[22:53] <jcastro> so I can send users to the wiki with confidence
[22:54] <jcastro> as opposed to like "don't read that crap, you'll just break your computer"
[22:54]  * AlanBell is glad to hear the podcast is not on the internet
[22:54] <jono_> thanks popey
[22:55] <AlanBell> uupc has I think a fairly constructive listenerbase so I am sure it will be fine
[22:55] <popey> we do!?
[22:55] <popey> there is no license option in youtube that i can see
[22:55] <AlanBell> well I listen, and I can't imagine many other people do :)
[22:56] <jcastro> popey: hmm, the editor tells me it can't edit the video due to the license not being CC
[22:56] <jcastro> also, everyone should really see Randall's talk at around 11:15: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cxs9OHIBcs
[22:58] <popey> i reckon it gets it from blip
[22:58] <popey> you can set the license there
[22:59] <popey> yay, remembered the ubuntudevlopers blip password
[23:00] <popey> jcastro: in blip that video was set to "public domain"
[23:01] <popey> i set it to cc-by-sa
[23:01] <popey> dunno if that will filter down to yt tho :S
[23:01] <jcastro> ugh
[23:01] <jcastro> the guys set them all to PD instead of CCBYSA
[23:01] <popey> thats the default to be fair
[23:02] <maco> jcastro: where are yall moving again?
[23:03] <jcastro> boca raton
[23:11] <cjohnston> jcastro needs to hurry up and get down here
[23:11] <cjohnston> jcastro: you need to get certified to dive while your here and we will go diving
[23:59] <jcastro> man openshot is SOOOO good