[09:10] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I can't remember where we said it would make sense to put the certificates that WALinuxAgentShim spits out on disk.  Can you remind me?
[12:51] <smoser> htey're per-instance, right
[12:52] <smoser> i think we just leave them where they were right now (/var/lib/walinux/ or whatever)
[12:52] <smoser> but i guess makes as much sense to move them to /var/lib/cloud/instance/data or something.
[12:56] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Yeah, I'd prefer not to write them out to the walinuxagent path because we aren't holding ourselves to the same disk format (e.g. we aren't writing out some files that walinuxagent does, because we're just using them in-memory).
[12:56] <Odd_Bloke> And not using a temporary directory makes life much easier, because then I don't have to care about clean-up.
[12:56] <Odd_Bloke> (Or carrying the location of the temporary directory around)
[12:56] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Having said that, though, some of this happens before we have an instance-id; will /var/lib/cloud/instance even be in place during the data source run?
[12:57] <smoser> you're right. it wouldnt be ther.e
[12:57] <smoser> so what are you writing out ? i'm confused.
[12:58] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: All of the certificate stuff is too involved to do in-memory, so we shell out to openssl; at the moment we store the files it operates on and produces in a temporary directory.
[12:59] <Odd_Bloke> But it would be good to have them somewhere more permanent for (a) debugging/analysis, and (b) avoiding temporary file handling/cleanup in the code.
[13:00] <Odd_Bloke> If there isn't a good place to put them, I can stick with the tmpdir approach.
[13:03] <smoser> well, i htink that since you dont have a instance-dir yet, you dont have a good place for per-instance stuff. i tihnk tempdir seems the best path.
[13:03] <Odd_Bloke> Cool.
[13:41] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Can you remind me what the DHCP bounce in Azure is intended to achieve?  Is it to get the fabric to recognise the host?
[13:41] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: (I'm trying to work out if I've replaced what it does with the WALinuxAgentShim work)
[13:43] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, i think its to "publish" the hostname.
[15:21] <smoser> harlowja, https://etherpad.mozilla.org/cloud-init-roadmap
[15:22] <smoser> that was claudiopoppa and my work last week to try to get something down as targets
[17:57] <tmclaugh[work]> Hi, is bootcmd run before networking is fully setup?
[17:57] <tmclaugh[work]> Trying to ping a host in out environment before talking to Puppet
[18:10] <smoser> tmclaugh[work], not guaranteed to have network up
[18:10] <smoser> if you're using a local datasource
[18:10] <smoser> if you have a network datasource you will have network
[18:11] <smoser> (because thats how you found the datasource)
[18:14] <harlowja> smoser cool
[18:14] <harlowja> smoser i start to wonder how much of systemd is doing all this same stuff (configuring networks...)
[18:14]  * harlowja doesn't really know, i just thought it started to have similar stuff
[18:14] <harlowja> maybe we should rename this to cloud-init-systemF (F is after d)
[18:15] <harlowja> it freakin has a 'systemd-timesyncd' woah, lol
[18:15] <harlowja> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-networkd ( smoser ) ?
[18:15] <harlowja> so i am starting to wonder if cloudinitd just tells systemd to do things... ?
[18:17] <smoser> harlowja, that is 'networkd' which is part of systemd
[18:17] <smoser> cloud-init will just kick networkd into submission
[18:21] <smoser> harlowja, we're moving to networkd for ubuntu server in 15.10
[18:30] <harlowja> smoser cool beans
[18:30] <harlowja> ya, i guess everyone will be eventually
[18:30] <harlowja> *all linux variants
[18:30] <harlowja> although who knows maybe windows doing all that open source stuff it will also adopt systemd, lol
[18:30] <harlowja> *microsoft doing all that open source stuff (not windows)
[18:30] <smoser> :)
[18:30] <smoser> its gonna be great.
[18:30] <smoser> unicorns and rainbows everwhere.
[18:39] <tmclaugh[work]> smoser: sorry, was in a meeting.
[18:39] <tmclaugh[work]> This is an AWS host with te data attached to the magic URL
[18:42] <smoser> yeah. then network should be up at that point
[18:42] <smoser> all network interfaces desscribed as 'auto' in /etc/network/interfaces should be up
[18:48] <harlowja> smoser unicorns, woot!


[00:16] <blackdawn> join #ubuntuforums
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu xenial is so nice..
[06:16] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje!
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> installed xenial on rather older dell, working like a charm now
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> thenh helped me installing wifi
[06:18] <ducasse> goodie, is this a machine for yourself?
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no its a dell a friend bought with linux mint on
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> but mint totaly borked that machine
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> did you know mint asks for a network unlock password?
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> never saw that b4
[06:21] <ducasse> never tried mint, actually, never felt the need to.
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> me neither :p
[06:25] <ducasse> thinking of upgrading this laptop to yakkety today, the xubuntu people were looking for people to help run a few tests.
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:25] <ducasse> yay unstable release! :)
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:26] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: how was the vacation?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> very nice, alot of swim
[06:27] <ducasse> back to work tomorrow?
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> yep :p
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> but they havent found a 4 kitchen guy yet
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> means more work for me
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> and i need to start having time for my business
[06:29] <ducasse> but they are looking for someone, or...?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> well lets say they always looking for ppl
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> but its rather hard to find someone usefull for kitchen
[06:30] <ducasse> i see. well, hope for your sake they find someone. is the webshop finished?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: almost, just the icons need to change to royalty free ones
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> mollie payments is integraded and has a https connection
[06:31] <ducasse> good! exciting time for you :)
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah :p
[06:33] <ducasse> btw; i bought a das keyboard 4 pro - warmly recommended!
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> nice!
[06:34] <ducasse> i had a rezer before, but this is much nicer.
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> ill keep that in mind for customers :p
[06:37] <ducasse> it will be interesting to see how well your shop does, really hope it is a success.
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i know alot of ppl that im helping for years now, im sure it will
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> some are waiting until the webshop is done, to be able to buy something lol
[06:38] <ducasse> :)
[06:39] <ducasse> we had someone in #ubuntu yesterday who had just switched from windows, he/she was so excited they had to be +q'd :)
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: im onto breakfast mate, have a nice day
[06:42] <ducasse> ok, enjoy!
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> u2 ; )
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> laterz all
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> if you see theNH.. tell him my wifi got fixxed
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> tnx & bye :p
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all


[13:21] <ahoneybun> hey dholbach
[13:21] <dholbach> hi ahoneybun
[13:21] <ahoneybun> that was fast lol
[13:22] <ahoneybun> your email was sent at 5 something in the morning my time so I just replied to it
[13:22] <ahoneybun> (its 9:30am almost here)
[13:26] <dholbach> right
[13:26] <dholbach> so today Jorge is joining us for the hanoug
[13:26] <dholbach> hangout
[13:26] <dholbach> what would you like to talk about in one of the next times?
[13:28] <ahoneybun> LoCo or Membership
[13:29] <ABCXYZ> Can you tell me some DAW on linux ?
[13:30] <dholbach> ahoneybun, cool - maybe we could some more folks on from the Membership board for example?
[13:30]  * ahoneybun is on it
[13:30] <ahoneybun> XD
[13:31] <dholbach> awesome
[13:31] <dholbach> thanks
[13:32] <ahoneybun> one of our members was going over how to improve membership
[13:32] <ahoneybun> belkinsa
[13:33] <raz_> yap
[13:33] <raz_> maes
[14:15] <belkinsa> I'm here, who has a question about the Membership?
[14:27] <ahoneybun> dholbach: ^
[14:44] <dholbach> belkinsa, ahoneybun: today we'll have Jorge there to talk about cloud and stuff
[14:44] <belkinsa> dholbach, thinking about us doing it next week or maybe a bit later?
[14:45] <dholbach> belkinsa, can you find a date which works for you (and maybe others from the board) and drop me a mail?
[14:45] <belkinsa> Sure, on it!
[14:56] <dholbach> awesome
[14:56] <Ilonka> what is awesome?
[14:57] <dholbach> Ilonka, I was referring to an earlier comment
[14:57] <belkinsa> That you guys will learn more about the Membership and the Membership Board soon.
[14:57] <Ilonka> ahhh :-)
[15:01] <belkinsa> dholbach_, e-mail sent.
[15:02] <ahoneybun> I'm here belkinsa.
[15:02] <belkinsa> I see you.
[15:02] <ahoneybun> I'm used to Hangouts
[15:02] <belkinsa> ahoneybun, but we need to find a date to do it
[15:03] <popey> yo yo yo
[15:03] <dholbach_> ask all your questions here!
[15:03] <ahoneybun> tbh this will the late tuesday I'll be around this hour
[15:04] <Eyjafjallajokull> hi all
[15:04] <dholbach> just prefix your questions with QUESTION: so we can more easily pick them up :)
[15:05] <pavakpaul> Am I too late to join?
[15:06] <Eyjafjallajokull> pavakpaul: yes
[15:06] <belkinsa> pavakpaul, nope, just started
[15:06] <pavakpaul> ahh thanks :)
[15:07] <pavakpaul> what topic is going on?
[15:07] <belkinsa> Jorge is talking about Ubuntu Server today
[15:07] <dholbach> yep, server+cloud+juju+stuff
[15:07] <pavakpaul> Cool
[15:09] <bluedragon77> QUESTION: What new things can we expect for 15.10?
[15:10] <pavakpaul> MIR I guess.  waiting to try it out :D
[15:11] <Amelie> QUESTION: Can I use the Ubuntu phone as a Wifi hotspot ? Yes/No. ?
[15:11] <bastpt> Hi
[15:11] <Eyjafjallajokull> QUESTION: is IBM's LinuxOne running ubuntu snappy?
[15:12] <bluedragon77> Amelie, in the next OTA update you will be able to do so.
[15:13] <Amelie> QUESTION: When is the expected release of the 'Convergent' Ubuntu Phone ? i.e. if not specific date - what month ?
[15:14] <Eyjafjallajokull> QUESTION: what is the safest way to install debs on Ubuntu Phone?
[15:16] <ahoneybun> Eyjafjallajokull: I don't think that is possible
[15:16] <plainrock124> hi
[15:16] <bluedragon77> QUESTION:We know that the .deb image is going to continue living for quite a while, but do you have any ideas for a long term solution for the application store on the .deb image?
[15:17] <Amelie> bluedragon77: When's the next OTA update ?
[15:17] <justCarakas> QUESTION: I have a raspberry pi 2, is there already something available to install something like Ubuntu Next and a media server like Kodi on it ?
[15:17] <Eyjafjallajokull> Amelie: 20th
[15:17] <ahoneybun> ETA
[15:17] <bluedragon77> Amelie, a week or so. OTA updates come every 5-6 weeks.
[15:17] <ahoneybun> justCarakas: you can install Snappy I believe
[15:17] <Eyjafjallajokull> 20th-ish
[15:17] <Amelie> Eyjafjallajokull: bluedragon77 ok, cheers.
[15:18] <cialu> QUESTION: Is planned a new optimized of Ubuntu Touch for Nexus 5?
[15:19] <cialu> optimized port, I mean. ;-)
[15:19] <pavakpaul> Anyone porting Ubuntu touch for ASUS ZenFone 2? ;)
[15:20] <justCarakas> ahoneybun: does that include the graphical part ?
[15:20] <ptidav> speak of easiest cloud for beginner user
[15:20] <ahoneybun> justCarakas: pretty such snappy is CLI no GUI
[15:20] <ahoneybun> might be wrong
[15:21] <ptidav> with visual interface
[15:21] <ahoneybun> not sure if full Unity8 is light enough for the pi
[15:22] <ptidav> maybe in 16.04
[15:22] <bluedragon77> QUESTION: Will we be able to make phone calls and SMS from the terminal? A use case for this would be i.e. your phone is docked to a screen and keyboard, and you are already working on your keyboard in a terminal but noy you need to make a phone call.
[15:23] <ptidav> QUESTION: just i want easy cloud
[15:24] <jcastro> https://jujucharms.com/big-data
[15:24] <dholbach> https://jujucharms.com/big-data
[15:27] <ptidav> sorry is complicated for me
[15:28] <ahayzen> QUESTION: What do you think of Canonical's extensive use of google's services for storing potentially confidential business information, eg in google drive, when they are now a direct competitor with Android vs Ubuntu? If a viable LibreOffice online cloud alternative existed would you prefer Canonical to move to such a service?
[15:29] <ptidav> ahayzen: or azure
[15:29] <pavakpaul> a lot of questions LOL
[15:30] <Amelie> ptidav: i concur, I just want to use the desktop on a tower PC.
[15:31] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackCharms/ReleaseNotes1504
[15:31] <ptidav> i want icon to click and boom, juju is here
[15:31] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Is there a page for new developers who want to help with cloud/server and a list of issues they can work on?
[15:32] <ptidav> QUESTION: what is a charms
[15:33] <ptidav> he want SQL knows so hard to beginner
[15:34] <jcastro> https://jujucharms.com/
[15:35] <ptidav> thank
[15:36] <bluedragon77> Is this Q&A only for the cloud?
[15:37] <ptidav> gui sql server i'm lost
[15:39] <pavakpaul> I actually type the file name, even a keyword in dash and dash shows me the file from google drive :v
[15:39] <ptidav> jorge castro you have bubble of cloud, not beginner user :-)
[15:39] <pavakpaul> keyword from the doc ^^
[15:39] <jcastro> yeah, this is cloud cloud, not like, dropbox cloud.
[15:40] <ptidav> yes
[15:40] <ptidav> to run to acces to make
[15:40] <bluedragon77> huh, I was thinking that today we have the regular Q&A for anything that we want to ask about.
[15:41] <w2vy_> QUESTION: What is the status of the Dekko Email client? Is it being moved into the core? Also, what is the best way to get involved in helping with testing? My email is self hosted so the webapps are not much help.
[15:41] <ptidav> i feel juju beta
[15:43] <w2vy_> (That was for Ubuntu Touch)
[15:43] <Amelie> bluedragon77: Yeah, they seem to be having their own conversation , predominantly about cloud-stuff.  Regular Q & A is in Hiatus.
[15:44] <bluedragon77> Amelie thanx
[15:44] <Amelie> bluedragon77: But we can talk too.
[15:44] <ptidav> i have server, i feel for netbook and maybe a phone connect and why not a cloud ubuntu
[15:44] <ahoneybun> w2vy_: last I heard was Dekko is going to be a core app
[15:44] <Amelie> bluedragon77: U in america?
[15:45] <bluedragon77> Amelie No. Croatia. You?
[15:45] <Amelie> UK.
[15:45] <dholbach> we'll answer all other questions closer towards the end
[15:45] <Amelie> bluedragon77: What's the weather like, where you are ?
[15:46] <ptidav> in 12.04 have lost ubuntu one
[15:46] <bluedragon77> Amelie: Too hot. I can't wait for Autumn. How is it in the UK? We can both talk about the EU :P
[15:47] <Amelie> Pretty hot here - not a cloud in the sky !
[15:47] <DanChapman> w2vy_: rather than pollute the channel here feel free to pop into #dekko if you want to help test or get involved.
[15:47] <Amelie> I'm really waiting for the conversion phone to come out so that I can do a video on how bad the experience is .
[15:48] <ptidav> just an apps :-)
[15:49] <bluedragon77> Lol, I am waiting to get any Ubuntu phone at all, so I ca play with my applications.
[15:49]  * Amelie can't afford the non-conversion & conversion phone's too. So I opt for a conversion phone.  (which the fools never attempted to get crowd-funded #fail).
[15:50] <ptidav> give me a window give me a space give me easy
[15:50] <jcastro> yeah sorry you're stuck with server guy today guys. :D
[15:50] <Amelie> Note: 10 minutes to go.
[15:50] <jcastro> I was the only one around today, heh
[15:51] <ptidav> not give me a server, i have :-)
[15:51] <Amelie> jcastro: You are Jono *are* ubuntu for me.
[15:51] <jcastro> *hugs*
[15:51] <w2vy_> thanks Dan
[15:51] <Amelie> jcastro: **You and Jono *are* ubuntu for me.
[15:52] <ptidav> phone use home server yes
[15:53] <ptidav> or the netbook in stranger country
[15:54] <Amelie> QUESTION: Why are all the hangouts done, done with a 1 hour run-time rule ?
[15:56] <Amelie> bluedragon77: What's your Linux-community like where you are ?
[15:56] <justCarakas> QUESTION: can you also read text messages in the terminal ? would be awesome to have a terminal SMS client I can ssh in to
[15:57] <ptidav> for mail use website cloud, is include
[15:58] <ptidav> :D
[15:58] <Amelie> QUESTION: I asked when the conversion phone was coming out ?
[15:58] <dholbach> Amelie, popey said something like "this year"
[15:59] <dholbach> there's no publicly announced release month or anything
[15:59] <Amelie> dholbach: that sucks balls.
[15:59] <dholbach> it's not Ubuntu's announce
[15:59] <dholbach> it's the piece of news of the manufacturer
[16:00] <ptidav> QUESTION: own mail own website own big data, fiber is here
[16:00] <bluedragon77> Amelia I used to visit a Linux community in an Alternative culture center, it was cool.
[16:00] <Amelie> bye now.
[16:01] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone!
[16:01]  * Amelie is still looking where linux actually lives.
[16:01] <ptidav> you have job to use this betajuju
[16:01] <bluedragon77> Aww no problem server guys.
[16:01] <ahayzen> thanks dholbach jcastro popey :-)
[16:02] <ptidav> thank you
[16:02] <jcastro> thanks for hanging out guys!
[16:02] <ptidav> more subject are on the table for cloud
[16:02] <ptidav> is a little short
[16:03] <ptidav> good luck, i waiting 16.04 to see more
[16:06] <ptidav> do you think was possible to do jcastro ?
[16:06] <jcastro> is which part possible?
[16:08] <ptidav> own mail own website own big data
[16:09] <jcastro> oh for sure
[16:10] <ptidav> okay if you can do own easily i'm here, is not event today
[16:11] <ptidav> bye
[16:24] <bluedragon77> hi


[19:35] <hartmut_>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 3.13.0-65-lowlatency i686 ** Distro: LinuxMint "qianaMint" 17 ** CPU: 1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2,00GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2,0GiB, 77,5% free ** Disk: Total: 78,5GiB, 77,0% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation NV43M [GeForce Go 6600] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel ** Ethernet: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E
[19:35] <hartmut_> Gigabit Ethernet Controller ** Uptime: 1h 40m 31s **
[20:16] <cobradabest> Is there any chance I can get help with a problem I'm having with Android Studio?


[08:54] <CIA-5> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1221 ubuntu/ (77 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.78
[08:57] <CIA-5> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1222 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[08:57] <CIA-5> grub-installer: Drop grub-installer/bootdev_directory preseeding. Wubi no longer uses
[08:57] <CIA-5> grub-installer: this, and we no longer care about grub4dos.
[09:07] <CIA-5> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1223 ubuntu/debian/po/ (43 files): Revert lots of useless .po file deltas from Debian.
[09:21] <CIA-5> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1224 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.78ubuntu1
[09:23] <xnox> cjwatson: do we need fuse module similar as described in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686314 to make os detection also work? there are a few reports of Win7/8 not os-detected.
[09:23] <ubot2> Debian bug 686314 in os-prober "Requires the fuse module to be loaded in order to detect Windows 7" [Normal,Open]
[09:25] <CIA-5> partman-auto: cjwatson * r637 ubuntu/ (18 files in 4 dirs): merge from Debian 103
[09:26] <cjwatson> xnox: fuse is built-in on Ubuntu kernels, and anyway in practice we already do attempt to load it due to changes to partman-basicfilesystems
[09:29] <CIA-5> partman-auto: cjwatson * r638 ubuntu/debian/changelog: resolve unnecessary delta
[09:29] <CIA-5> partman-auto: cjwatson * r639 ubuntu/debian/po/ (bo.po cy.po): msgmerge
[09:34] <CIA-5> partman-auto: cjwatson * r640 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 103ubuntu1
[09:35]  * cjwatson is on a translation update kick before the beta freeze sets in, in case you're wondering
[09:40] <cjwatson> partly because the Tibetan translators asked me about status there and there's a bunch of stuff that requires merging for good Tibetan translation
[09:40] <CIA-5> user-setup: cjwatson * r267 ubuntu/debian/ (36 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.46
[09:41] <CIA-5> user-setup: cjwatson * r268 ubuntu/debian/po/bo.po: msgmerge
[09:45] <CIA-5> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5673 trunk/ (155 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[09:45] <CIA-5> user-setup: cjwatson * r269 ubuntu/debian/po/wo.po: remove debian/po/wo.po, removed from Debian long ago
[09:53] <CIA-5> user-setup: cjwatson * r270 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.46ubuntu1
[09:58] <CIA-5> anna: cjwatson * r839 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog po/fr.po po/hr.po po/sq.po): merge from Debian 1.43
[09:59] <CIA-5> anna: cjwatson * r840 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.43ubuntu1
[10:03] <cjwatson> apt-setup is a bit much for me right now though
[10:17] <CIA-5> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r1180 ubuntu/ (29 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 2.40
[10:28] <CIA-5> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r1181 ubuntu/debian/po/ (bo.po cy.po kn.po): apply Ubuntu branding to new translations
[10:29] <CIA-5> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r1182 ubuntu/Mirrors.masterlist: update Mirrors.masterlist to Debian 2.40
[10:32] <CIA-5> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r1183 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.40ubuntu1
[10:39] <cjwatson> OK, I think that's the ones that are practical for quantal
[15:29] <CIA-5> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5674 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[15:29] <CIA-5> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: choose-mirror 2.40ubuntu1,
[15:29] <CIA-5> ubiquity: flash-kernel 3.0~rc.4ubuntu24, grub-installer 1.78ubuntu1, partman-auto
[15:29] <CIA-5> ubiquity: 103ubuntu1, partman-efi 25ubuntu2, user-setup 1.46ubuntu1.
[15:29] <cjwatson> upload time
[15:29] <xnox> cjwatson: are there any translation updates for ubiquity?
[15:29] <xnox> e.g. more custom strings translated for the ubiquity-debconf.po ?
[15:29] <cjwatson> I did that this morning
[15:30] <xnox> ok. sorry missed.
[15:30] <cjwatson> it was hidden among a slew of merge commits
[15:30] <xnox> good to go then.
[15:30] <xnox> =)
[15:42] <CIA-5> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5675 trunk/ (14 files in 10 dirs): bump to 2.12
[15:48] <CIA-5> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5676 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.12.0
[23:48] <bdmurray> is bug 1046627 by design?
[23:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046627 in ubiquity "Install Ubuntu XX.XX alongside SYSTEM YY screen missing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046627


[02:27] <zul> @schedule montreal
[02:27] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 19 Sep 08:00: Community Council | 20 Sep 08:00: Edubuntu | 21 Sep 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Sep 16:00: Technical Board | 27 Sep 16:00: Edubuntu | 28 Sep 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:53] <chuckyp> ?
[02:53] <eyequeue> @now
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 19 2006, 00:53:10 - Next meeting: Community Council in 11 hours 6 minutes
[06:52] <DBO> @schedule
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Sep 12:00: Community Council | 20 Sep 12:00: Edubuntu | 21 Sep 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Sep 20:00: Technical Board | 27 Sep 20:00: Edubuntu | 28 Sep 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:12] <bimberi> @schedule canberra
[11:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Canberra: 19 Sep 22:00: Community Council | 20 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu | 22 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Sep 06:00: Technical Board | 28 Sep 06:00: Edubuntu | 29 Sep 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:28] <Seveas> @now Brussels
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Brussels: September 19 2006, 11:28:22 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 hours 31 minutes
[11:57] <DBO> @now Detroit
[11:57] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Detroit: September 19 2006, 05:57:55 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 hours 2 minutes
[11:58] <simira> @schedule Oslo
[11:58] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 19 Sep 14:00: Community Council | 20 Sep 14:00: Edubuntu | 21 Sep 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Sep 22:00: Technical Board | 27 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu | 29 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:19] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[01:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 19 Sep 14:00: Community Council | 20 Sep 14:00: Edubuntu | 21 Sep 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 26 Sep 22:00: Technical Board | 27 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu | 29 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:20] <brendonjt> hi all
[01:20] <Fujitsu> Hi.
[01:20] <brendonjt> Fujitsu, :good to see you here
[01:21] <DBO> @now detroit
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Detroit: September 19 2006, 07:21:04 - Next meeting: Community Council in 38 minutes
[01:21] <elkbuntu> we're eager, arent we ;)
[01:23] <brendonjt> elkbuntu, :yip we sure are
[01:23] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: good luck :)
[01:23] <elkbuntu> ;)
[01:23] <brendonjt> gnomefreak, :hi ya
[01:23] <gnomefreak> brendonjt: hi
[01:24] <brendonjt> gnomefreak, :me just praying me get my membership ae
[01:24] <gnomefreak> you going up for it too?
[01:25] <Belutz> anyone know who will lead the next cc meeting?
[01:25] <DBO> elkbuntu, you have my support too =)
[01:25] <brendonjt> gnomefreak, :yip
[01:25] <gnomefreak> Belutz: same people that lead the meetings any other time
[01:25] <gnomefreak> brendonjt: good luck
[01:25] <brendonjt> gnomefreak, :thank you
[01:25] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: mine as weel
[01:25] <gnomefreak> well
[01:25] <elkbuntu> DBO, gnomefreak :D
[01:25] <gnomefreak> Belutz: the CC is made up of 4 people (they lead the meeting)
[01:26] <Belutz> gnomefreak: ok :)
[01:26] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu, you of course have mine :P
[01:26] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, are all 4 going to be here do you know?
[01:26] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: generous of you
[01:27] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu, sabdfl often isn't, all the others are very reliable.
[01:27] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: 3 will be for sure and those are the 3 you need
[01:27] <brendonjt> ajmitch, :i say lol
[01:27] <gnomefreak> sabdfl may be here at this one (we cant finish one of the topics without him)
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Aha, yay :)
[01:28] <elkbuntu> will a certain item be left off the agenda out of respect?
[01:28] <ajmitch> he was on irc a few hours ago, so it's likely he can make it
[01:29] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, hopefully.
[01:29] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu, that's a good question.
[01:29] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: what item
[01:29] <brendonjt> Fujitsu, : what you mean yay?
[01:29] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, i dont really want to have to say it
[01:29] <gnomefreak> oh that one
[01:29] <gnomefreak> sorry its early
[01:29] <Fujitsu> brendonjt, sabdfl will probably be here.
[01:30] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu, yeah :(
[01:30] <gnomefreak> thats the one we cant end without sabdfl
[01:30] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, :-/
[01:30] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak, I thought as much.
[01:30] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak, that's been going on for months, hasn't it?
[01:30] <Belutz> Seveas, ping
[01:30] <brendonjt> Fujitsu, : oh ok
[01:30] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: yes
[01:30] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: yes waiting for sabdfl
[01:30] <dudanogueira> good morning for how is in a morning :)
[01:30] <dudanogueira> for who
[01:31] <Belutz> gnomefreak: sabdfl will be here??
[01:31] <thoreauputic> evening/morning all
[01:31] <Fujitsu> I've read most of the saga so far.
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Hey thoreauputic.
[01:31] <gnomefreak> Belutz: dont know i havent seen him in weeks
[01:31] <thoreauputic> Fujitsu: :)
[01:31] <Fujitsu> :|
[01:32] <gnomefreak> @now new_york
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/New_York: September 19 2006, 07:32:05 - Next meeting: Community Council in 27 minutes
[01:32] <gnomefreak> brb i have time for a  smoke
[01:32] <brendonjt> any kiwis  here  me feels alone
[01:32] <Belutz> gnomefreak: is it possible that my agenda to be move to the first agenda, because i don't have much time, actually i'm still in a meeting in my office now
[01:33] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: you canthankmy dentist ;-) I am feeling no pain... *g*
[01:34] <elkbuntu> that's great :)
[01:34] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: insert spaces as required in that ;)
[01:34] <bimberi> thoreauputic: good to read :)
[01:34] <Seveas> Belutz: ?
[01:35] <elkbuntu> don'tworrythoreauputicicanreadsentancesthathavenospaces,howaboutyou?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> bimberi: wonders of modern dentistry and pharmacy :)
[01:35] <bimberi> :)
[01:35] <brendonjt> lol
[01:35] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: maisoui ;)
[01:35] <Seveas> "elkbuntu's posse"
[01:35] <Belutz> Seveas, do you know who should I contact to get the statistic of how much CD that is sent from shipit to indonesia?
[01:35] <Scr3W_W0rM> :D
[01:36] <elkbuntu> not enough? you think i should arrange some more?
[01:36] <Seveas> Belutz: shipit # ubuntu.com
[01:36] <Seveas> (replace # with @)
[01:36] <Belutz> Seveas: thanks :)
[01:36] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: well, extrauser is AWOL tonight ;-)
[01:36] <amachu> hi, this is Sriramadas alias amachu contact person for Tamil team..
[01:36] <elkbuntu> hahaha!
[01:36] <harry_sufehmi> Belutz: excellent idea :)
[01:36] <Seveas> hi amachu!
[01:36] <Seveas> glad you could make it
[01:37] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[01:37] <Fujitsu> Hi jsgotangco.
[01:37] <amachu> yes, I am also glad
[01:37] <brendonjt> jsgotangco, :hi ya
[01:37] <DBO> we love elkbuntu =)
[01:37] <Belutz> harry_sufehmi: :)
[01:37] <Seveas> People, let's move to -offtopic for th chatter
[01:37] <Seveas> so we don't clog up logs
[01:37] <amachu> so the meeting atarts at 12.00 UTC right?
[01:37] <jsgotangco> yeah lots of minutes to go
[01:38] <johnlittle> Can I borrow them when you're done Elk?
[01:38] <Belutz> jsgotangco: hai!!! long time no see :)
[01:38] <gnomefreak> amachu: correct
[01:38] <amachu> 20 min to go..
[01:38] <amachu> what shall we do..
[01:39] <brendonjt> chat
[01:40] <ajmitch> in -offtopic
[01:49] <bapoumba> salut
[01:49] <brendonjt> bapoumba: kia ora
[01:53] <brendonjt> yay not long now
[01:53] <harry_sufehmi> @now new_york
[01:53] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/New_York: September 19 2006, 07:53:45 - Current meeting: Community Council
[01:54] <brendonjt> @now auckland
[01:54] <Ubugtu> Current time in Pacific/Auckland: September 19 2006, 23:54:04 - Current meeting: Community Council
[01:54] <hunmaat2> re kelemengabor
[01:55] <kelemengabor> hi hunmaat2
[01:55] <brendonjt> hunmaat2, : kia ora
[01:56] <amachu> hi.. all...
[01:56] <brendonjt> amachu, : hi
[01:56] <amachu> this is Sri ramadas, contact person for TamilTeam
[01:56] <Seveas> amachu, we know already ;)
[01:57] <amachu> ok..
[01:57] <Seveas> let me poke the CC
[01:57] <Seveas> mako_, ping
[01:57] <amachu> how should i start presenting?
[01:58] <Riddell> amachu: wait for the meeting to start
[01:58] <Seveas> amachu, when you're up you can briefly introduce the team (prepare a few lines in a text editor so you can paste them), then the CC will ask questions
[01:58] <amachu> ok...
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Seveas: s/ask questions/start grilling/g
[01:58] <Belutz> Seveas, could you ask the CC that indonesian loco team agenda to be moved first? because i'm in the middle of something
[01:58] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, that's the TB, not CC :P
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: they both do.  just about different things
[01:59] <Belutz> Seveas, if it is possible
[01:59] <Seveas> Belutz, so am I (I'm actually at EUROOscon and the keynote is about to start)
[01:59] <ajmitch> Seveas: who's giving the keynote today?
[01:59] <jsgotangco> EuroOSCON ROCK
[01:59] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, the CC barely grills.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hmmm....true
[01:59] <Belutz> Seveas, so we are busy right now :)
[02:01] <Seveas> ajmitch, morning kynote was tim oreiully and tor norretranders, afternoon is steve coast and adrian holovaty
[02:01] <leleobhz> dudanogueira: ?
[02:06] <Seveas> Hmm, the CC seems to be rather absent
[02:06] <elmo> sorry I'm late
[02:06] <Seveas> elmo, you're the first of the CC to arrive
[02:06] <elmo> err, oh
[02:06] <dudanogueira> Seveas, im here :)
[02:06] <Belutz> welcome elmo
[02:06] <Seveas> elmo, if sabdfl is at EUROOscon already, he's within a few meters from me ;)
[02:07] <brendonjt> elmo, :kia ora (hi)
[02:07] <elmo> Seveas: he's not
[02:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:07] <elmo> but he's out of the office, atm, probably won't make it
[02:07] <elmo> i'll start ringing folks I guess
[02:07] <Seveas> thank you
[02:08] <Seveas> elmo, many of the "old agenda item" people showed up today
[02:08] <elmo> kamion is on his way, ETA 10 mins - sorry about this, folks
[02:09] <Seveas> YAY
[02:09] <lophyte> 10mins? sweet, I have time to eat breakfast
[02:09] <Seveas> statment in the current keynote: "Open systems are a done deal, eg Ubuntu"
[02:10] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[02:11] <elmo> and mako's on his way now
[02:11] <Seveas> elmo, you rock
[02:11] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[02:11] <amachu> Seveas: have we started?
[02:12] <Seveas> amachu, no, we are waiting for two more members of the council
[02:12] <amachu> Seveas: ok, Thank You
[02:14] <mako_> greetings
[02:15] <Seveas> hi mako_
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Hey mako.
[02:15] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:15] <ajmitch> hello mako
[02:15] <brendonjt> mako:  kia ora hi there
[02:15] <mako> mak: this is going to make nick completion a bit difficult
[02:15] <Fujitsu> mako, yeah
[02:15] <Belutz> jsgotangco: hi, remember me? :D
[02:16] <jsgotangco> Belutz: of course, my indonesian friend ;)
[02:16] <jsgotangco> Belutz: let's chat in private ;)
[02:16] <Belutz> jsgotangco: ok :)
[02:17] <dudanogueira> hello all :)
[02:17] <makl10n> have you satarted the CC meeting?
[02:17] <Fujitsu> makl10n, not quite yet.
[02:18] <Seveas> makl10n, we're still waiting for one member of the council
[02:18] <Seveas> who is supposed to arrive soon
[02:18] <makl10n> We'll I've a class to take , it will be finish within 30 minutes. So, I want to come back again.
[02:19] <Seveas> makl10n, ok, the meeting lasts for about two hours so 30 minutes is ok
[02:20] <makl10n> Seveas: if the CC looks for me (mak), tell 'em I'll be back, the fact I've applied
[02:21] <makl10n> Seveas: I'll be back
[02:22] <brendonjt> padmawan, : hey there
[02:22] <padmawan> hi
[02:24] <Kamion> right, sorry about that, I was moving house bits in my lunch break and forgot about the meeting
[02:24] <Seveas> Kamion, welcome
[02:24] <Seveas> mako, elmo: ping, we're complete
[02:24] <brendonjt> kamion: hi there
[02:25] <Belutz> let the meeting begin :)
[02:25] <mako> alright
[02:25] <elmo> here
[02:25] <Kamion> oh, I thought you'd have started
[02:25] <Kamion> oh well
[02:25] <Seveas> The agenda will start with locoteams today, IRC item is waiting for sabdfl and one of the apllicants for translation coordinator just left for 30 minutes
[02:26] <Kamion> what about the ubuntu-desktop-effects item? that's further up the agenda than locoteams
[02:26] <mako> sounds goof
[02:26] <mako> good even
[02:26] <Seveas> Kamion, ah sorry, missed it
[02:26] <gnomefreak> we can do that whenever
[02:26] <DBO> gnomefreak, earlier would be better
[02:26] <Kamion> I'm assuming that the ubuntu-desktop team don't want this on ubuntu-desktop?
[02:26] <Kamion> dholbach: ?
[02:27] <Kamion> noted
[02:27] <Kamion> (though detail would be good :-))
[02:27] <gnomefreak> Kamion: made the team to take the load off of the -desktop team
[02:27] <elkbuntu> :)
[02:27] <dholbach> Kamion: on the mailing list? in the channel? I don't quite follow?
[02:28] <Kamion> dholbach: on the mailing list - I'm assuming it would be too much clutter to have aiglx/compiz/etc. discussion there?
[02:28] <Kamion> but would like confirmation
[02:28] <dholbach> we could try and see where it goes
[02:29] <DBO> Kamion, on top of that most of the discussion would not be relevant to whats actually in the official ubuntu repos
[02:30] <amachu> so, have we started?
[02:30] <gnomefreak> we grew from 10 members to 82 members in a weeks time if that continues like that i think it would be alot of foreseen clutter on the -desktop list
[02:31] <jsgotangco> whoa
[02:31] <mako> yeah, wow :)
[02:31] <Kamion> gnomefreak: that sounds reasonable
[02:32] <pygi> elkbuntu: when is it your turn?
[02:32] <Kamion> it sounds far enough off-charter for the existing lists that a new list is reasonable
[02:32] <Kamion> elmo: is the current process to RT mailing list creation requests?
[02:33] <elmo> Kamion: mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>yeah (which goes to RT)
[02:34] <amachu> This is sriramadas, contact person for TamilTeam from Chennai, India. We formed the team with two members on 06-Aug-06 with two members. We are now 12 in number. We have started translating Ubuntu to Tamil.
[02:34] <Kamion> amachu: please wait until you're called
[02:34] <amachu> ok
[02:34] <Kamion> we'll get to you :)
[02:34] <amachu> Sorry for that.. :-)
[02:34] <Kamion> gnomefreak: OK, could you send your new list request to the address elmo gave, then?
[02:34] <gnomefreak> Kamion: yes sir ty
[02:34] <Kamion> it seems relatively uncontroversial
[02:35] <Kamion> righto, next - locoteams
[02:35] <Kamion> Sri Lanka?
[02:35] <Kamion> or has that been incorporated into Tamil?
[02:36] <amachu> Kamion: No..
[02:37] <Kamion> ok, Sri Lanka not here
[02:37] <Kamion> Northeastern US?
[02:38] <Kamion> nope
[02:38] <Kamion> Tamil
[02:38] <Kamion> amachu: ok, you're up now :)
[02:38] <amachu> Hi
[02:39] <amachu> We formed the Tamil team with two members on 06-Aug-06. We are now 12 in number. We have started translating Ubuntu to Tamil.
[02:39] <amachu> Our language is spoken by 65 million people around the world. Tamil Nadu in India, Srilanka, Singapore are the countries with Tamil as official languages.
[02:40] <amachu> Today myself and Mukunth, ome of our team member has represented here
[02:40] <Kamion> Any interesting stories to tell about the take-up of Ubuntu in Tamil-speaking regions?
[02:41] <amachu> yes..
[02:41] <amachu> We have started taking Ubuntu to kids in T Nagar...
[02:41] <amachu> a locality in Channai, India
[02:41] <amachu> We educate kids on Computing using ubuntu
[02:42] <Mugunth> Hi All, this is Mugunth from tamil team
[02:42] <amachu> We plan to take Ubuntu to Schools
[02:42] <amachu> and our Team is represented across two nations, India and Sri Lanka
[02:43] <amachu> We had a Demo of Ubuntu installation
[02:43] <amachu> in chennai, and people were amazed to see their language in computer..
[02:43] <Kamion> Oh, so proprietary OSes like Windows aren't translated into Tamil?
[02:44] <amachu> this happened at L&T infotech, a software company in Tamil..
[02:44] <mako> i thought they were
[02:44] <amachu> Yes, Windows have recently launced Tamil version
[02:44] <amachu> but its unpopular
[02:44] <amachu> hardly two months since they released that version
[02:45] <Kamion> aha
[02:45] <Kamion> so not quite get there first, but get there better ... :-)
[02:45] <amachu> yes for sure...
[02:45] <amachu> But we can make it up...
[02:46] <amachu> since the majority of masses here cannot afford to buy windows
[02:46] <amachu> thats where we have an edge...
[02:47] <amachu> we do have our own mailing list for conversation
[02:48] <Kamion> ok, we seem to have run out of questions :)
[02:48] <amachu> Kamion: means?
[02:48] <Kamion> very happy to see your enthusiasm, and glad to hear that there's another region where we stand a chance of becoming dominant in IT before Microsoft does
[02:49] <mako> alright then
[02:49] <amachu> :-), now we need official recognition... as translators of Ubuntu in Tamil
[02:49] <Kamion> unless anyone has any objections, I think that's the Tamil team approved
[02:49] <amachu> we need an URL, and forum
[02:49] <mako> .ne
[02:49] <Kamion> URL as in a domain?
[02:49] <mako> alright, next team
[02:49] <Kamion> hang on
[02:50] <mako> Kamion: i saw it
[02:50] <dudanogueira> amachu, good job! i wish you luck on our daily battle :)
[02:50] <amachu> Thank You...
[02:50] <Kamion> elmo: do we (Canonical) deal with locoteam domains now, or is smurfix still doing it?
[02:50] <amachu> Cheers...
[02:50] <mako> i thought the plan was to shift that to jono
[02:50] <Belutz> amachu: Cheers :)
[02:50] <Kamion> works for me but I don't know how far along he is
[02:51] <Kamion> actually, we should grab jono in here
[02:51] <mako> i don't either
[02:51] <elkbuntu> hes on his way
[02:51] <amachu> we need to host our team details... on web
[02:51] <jono> just one sec guys
[02:51] <phanatic> amachu: you should subscribe to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you haven't done it yet :)
[02:51] <Kamion> 13:50 < Kamion> elmo: do we (Canonical) deal with locoteam domains now, or is smurfix still doing it?
[02:51] <Kamion> 13:50 < mako> i thought the plan was to shift that to jono
[02:51] <Kamion> 13:50 < Kamion> works for me but I don't know how far along he is
[02:51] <phanatic> loco-contacts* sorry
[02:51] <Kamion> for the Tamil team
[02:51] <jono> ok back
[02:52] <nixternal> Canonical does hosting as well http://chi.ubuntu-us.org is Canonical hosting
[02:52] <elmo> sorry
[02:52] <jono> afaik I am not dealing with LoCo resources
[02:52] <elmo> was talking to sabdfl
[02:52] <jono> I am just helping get the teams working
[02:52] <elmo> kamion: smurfix is still doing it
[02:52] <elmo> at least on a technical side
[02:52] <sabdfl> hi all
[02:52] <Fujitsu> Hi sabdfl :)
[02:52] <jono> hey sabdfl
[02:52] <nixternal> hiya sabdfl
[02:52] <phanatic> hi sabdfl
[02:52] <amachu> so should we contact smurfix?
[02:52] <Seveas> (smurfix is implementing a DIY thing for that)
[02:52] <Belutz> hi sabdfl
[02:53] <jono> I think smufix is on vacation right now
[02:53] <Seveas> he is
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hi sabdfl
[02:53] <Scr3W_W0rM> hello sabdl
[02:53] <nixternal> i went through RTS for Ubuntu Chicago
[02:54] <amachu> Kamion: Who has to move our Team to the main table in the LocoTeam, page
[02:54] <jono> I have kicked some initial discussion off about centralising LoCo resources where possible
[02:54] <jono> amachu, I am working on getting teams accepted
[02:54] <Kamion> amachu: you should be able to do that yourself
[02:54] <amachu> ok...
[02:54] <Kamion> assuming this is a wiki page
[02:54] <amachu> Thank You..
[02:54] <nixternal> jono: speaking of LoCo, I was told I should chat with you as well for 'mentoring', when you get time of course
[02:55] <jono> nixternal, cool, who told you ?
[02:55] <nixternal> i wish i could remember ;)
[02:55] <sabdfl> nicely ducked :-)
[02:55] <nixternal> haha
[02:55] <amachu> jono: can u guide us?
[02:55] <jono> heh
[02:55] <jono> amachu, sure
[02:55] <jsgotangco> welocme back
[02:55] <jono> I am building a check list of things that LoCo teams should set up and then I am going to get all pending teams to satisfy that checklist and move them to accepted
[02:55] <amachu> jono: what should do from now on...
[02:56] <jono> amachu, we can talk about this seperately so as not to impede the meeting :)
[02:56] <amachu> jono: Yes sure
[02:56] <Seveas> where are we in the meeting?
[02:56] <amachu> shall i say good bye now...
[02:56] <mako> jono: yes
[02:56] <jono> amachu, I will /msg you soon
[02:56] <mako> jono: that sounds pretty sane
[02:57] <Belutz> Seveas: may i go first?
[02:57] <mako> smurf was using something very similar, at least early on
[02:57] <Seveas> (Belutz: I'm not in charge of the schedule)
[02:57] <amachu> jono: how do contact u? my mail id<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:57] <jono> amachu, jono AT ubuntu DOT com :)
[02:57] <jono> amachu, drop me an email with the details and I will get onto it :)
[02:57] <mako> jono: our question here is: can infrastructure issues that locos have to be pushed off to you
[02:58] <mako> jono: doesn't mean you have to solve them, but at least help point people to the right place
[02:58] <mako> or places
[02:58] <amachu> Thank You..
[02:58] <jono> mako, sure, I can help point them in the right direction
[02:58] <jono> mako, I am working on some better docs on the LoCo pages to help with this to, so we can point people at the docs
[02:58] <jono> the LoCo pages are....erm...artistic...shall we say :P
[02:59] <jono> they need poking with a stick :)
[02:59] <jsgotangco> hah
[02:59] <ajmitch> how diplomatic
[02:59] <sabdfl> very glad to have jono working to document and clarify the loco process
[02:59] <Belutz> Kamion: can Indonesian Loco Team go first after this? because i have other meeting to attend to
[02:59] <Hobbsee> say what?
[02:59] <jono> sabdfl, :)
[02:59] <Fujitsu> sabdfl, certainly.
[03:00] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, your poking stick, dear.
[03:00] <Kamion> Belutz: sure
[03:00] <Hobbsee> oh, the long and pointy stick.  yes.
[03:00] <Belutz> Kamion: thanks
[03:00] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yes.
[03:00] <jono> for LoCo people in here, keep an eye on loco-contacts - I will be posting a message soon about getting teams accepted
I want the email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>too </offtopic>
[03:00] <mako> jono: sounds good, thanks
[03:00] <imtheface> okok jono!
[03:01] <Belutz> jono: will do
[03:01] <jono> Hobbsee, damn you! :)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> jono: :P
[03:01] <jono> incidentally, sorry I was late to the this meeting, a meeting overrun
[03:02] <Belutz> may i begin now?
[03:02] <Kamion> yes, I think we're done with the previous item
[03:02] <Belutz> ok, thanks Kamion
[03:03] <Belutz> Hi All, I'm Andi Darmawan, i'm the contact person for Indonesian LocoTeams
[03:03] <Belutz> we are here to apply for recognised status for the Indonesian LoCo Team (http://ubuntu-id.org). We've been active in Ubuntu since the team was formed about a year ago.
[03:03] <Belutz> Various efforts have been done. We have provided infrastructures for the local users to grow - website, mailing list, forum, documentation. We strive to create a comfortable place where anyone can get information on Ubuntu, have a honest discussions, get help, exchange experiences, solve problems, and so on.
[03:03] <Belutz> We have also participated in a few conferences, then several people from Cidepok have also organized two Edubuntu conferences & instalfest. And currently we've managed the project to distribute Ubuntu repository in form of DVDs
[03:04] <Belutz> due to expensive Internet access in our country, this will help the users in Indonesia, so they can install many applications in Ubuntu without have to connect into Internet (except for the updates of course). We have many plans for the future, including writing a book on Ubuntu targeted for everyone in Indonesia.
[03:04] <makl10n> the CC meeting started?
[03:05] <Belutz> there are some members who focused on edubuntu also, you can check it at this site http://toosa.oo-linux.com/weblog/index.php?op=Default&postCategoryId=17&blogId=3 (in Indonesian)
[03:05] <sabdfl> Belutz: thank you for this contribution so far! what can we do to help you accelerate?
[03:05] <Belutz> Indonesian Loco teams have been appeared on Cnet Asia recently, you can check it at this site http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/blog/toekangit/0,39056105,61953558,00.htm
[03:05] <sabdfl> i have to step afk for a while, will read scrollback
[03:06] <Belutz> sabdfl: we need to be the official ubuntu team for indonesia, so we could speak on behalf of ubuntu
[03:06] <Kamion> makl10n: some time ago, yes
[03:06] <sabdfl> Belutz: is there any other team right now?
[03:06] <jsgotangco> Belutz: you sure its not just in jakarta? ;)
[03:06] <Seveas> (makl10n: I asked for the translation item to be moved down in the agenda so you wouldn't be left out)
[03:07] <Belutz> sabdfl: yes they are, imtheface, fajran, harry_sufehmi, Niwatori, and others
[03:07] <makl10n> Seveas: Thanks
[03:07] <jono> Belutz, you progress is impressive
[03:07] <imtheface> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-id --> translation team
[03:07] <hs_> Hi, I just would like to show the achievements with the Indonesian schools :
[03:07] <hs_> First Edubuntu installfest : http://toosa.oo-linux.com/weblog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=25&blogId=3
[03:07] <Belutz> jsgotangco: most of the members are in jakarta, but we ship the DVD repos nation wide
[03:07] <hs_> Second Edubuntu installfest : http://toosa.oo-linux.com/weblog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=30&blogId=3
[03:07] <jsgotangco> impressive
[03:07] <sabdfl> imtheface: how do you feel about Belutz's team taking on an official role? is there good coordination between the different teams?
[03:08] <hs_> On the second installfest, participants from as far as 600 km away came to join in.
[03:08] <Belutz> sabdfl: actually i'm proposing imtheface aka Andy Apdhani to be the Team Leader :)
[03:08] <hs_> second that
[03:08] <imtheface> :)
[03:08] <sabdfl> ok, so you're saying there are informal teams, and you'd like to create an official team that draws from those guys
[03:09] <sabdfl> sounds good to me. have you worked with jono yet?
[03:09] <Belutz> sabdfl, yes, so there could be one official teams
[03:09] <jono> Belutz, I recommend we have a chat about your work
[03:09] <imtheface> yes, i've follow discussion on loco mailing list!
[03:10] <sabdfl> if jono is happy with the state of the team, organisation, leadership, website, mailing lists, goals... then +1 from me
[03:10] <Belutz> sabdfl: i don't think i have chat with jono, but my friend imtheface who recently make contact with other loco team
[03:10] <sabdfl> i need to step afk for real now!
[03:10] <sabdfl> will read scrollback
[03:10] <jono> Belutz, I would like to have a discussion to discuss the specifics if possible, as I am not familiar with your team
[03:11] <Belutz> jono: will do :)
[03:11] <jono> Belutz, how do the informal teams work together?
[03:12] <Belutz> jono: actually they moved alone at first, but we ask them about joining us, because some of the informal teams doesn't know about loco teams
[03:12] <sabitha>  i iiiiiiiiiiiiiihiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[03:12] <jsgotangco> sabitha: bless you
[03:12] <sabitha> :)
[03:12] <jono> Belutz, when you say informal teams, are these Ubuntu teams or Linux User Groups?
[03:12] <Belutz> jono: if we could be as one, we could make the activities nation wide
[03:13] <imtheface> and currently I've made contact with them so we can work together with them side by side
[03:13] <jono> Belutz, yes
[03:13] <Belutz> jono: they are not LUG and not Ubuntu Teams, but they promote ubuntu and edubuntu
[03:13] <jono> right
[03:13] <sabitha> brb
[03:13] <jono> Belutz, has anyone applied to be the official team before from these informal groups?
[03:13] <jsgotangco> Belutz: id is a very large place, is that even feasible
[03:14] <Belutz> jono: not yet as far as i know
[03:14] <jsgotangco> ive experinced this as well
[03:14] <jsgotangco> for groups wayyy down south
[03:14] <Belutz> jsgotangco: it is feasible, as long as we communicate and work each other :)
[03:14] <jono> Belutz, ok, well +1 from me, I am happy to make you an official team :)
[03:14] <jsgotangco> i let them use loco resources, ie., website, etc.
[03:14] <Belutz> jono: thanks :)
[03:15] <jono> Belutz, I think you need to take special care to get all the informal teams communicating together well and preferably on the same mailing list and IRC channel
[03:15] <Belutz> jsgotangco: thanks for all your support :)
[03:15] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:15] <imtheface> same here jsgotangco!
[03:15] <Belutz> jono: yes, our mailing list becoming more active everyday
[03:15] <jono> Belutz, awesome :)
[03:15] <imtheface> jono, already in progress!
[03:15] <jsgotangco> the thing is, you don't need to influence the actions of far flung teams, as long as the goals are much the same collectively
[03:15] <jono> then sure, I am happy to make you an official team
[03:15] <imtheface> they've join to our mailing list!
[03:16] <jsgotangco> but sometimes these informal groups look into guidance
[03:16] <jsgotangco> that's where you guys come in ;)
[03:16] <Belutz> jsgotangco: that's why we persuade them to join us :)
[03:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:16] <imtheface> jono, many thanks then!
[03:16] <imtheface> harry_sufehmi, welcome back!
[03:16] <imtheface> also cheers jsgotangco
[03:17] <jono> imbrandon, :)
[03:17] <jono> oop
[03:17] <jono> oop
[03:17] <jono> oops
[03:17] <jono> argh
[03:17] <imbrandon> heh
[03:17] <jono> imtheface, :)
[03:17] <Belutz> :)
[03:17] <mako> alright
[03:17] <jono> Belutz, I will move the team to the official table now
[03:17] <Belutz> jono: so, what should we do next?
[03:17] <harry_sufehmi> hi imtheface, hope I didn't miss anything important
[03:18] <imtheface> jono, sorry didn't make it to the loco-meeting yesteday!
[03:18] <jono> imtheface, no worries
[03:18] <jono> Belutz, I will move you to the official table and you are now considered official :)
[03:18] <imtheface> harry_sufehmi, u miss the whole things
[03:18] <Niwatori> harry: you missed the approval fanfare :P
[03:18] <kenyanteam> hi, i'm here to represent kenya loco team
[03:19] <Scr3W_W0rM> :)
[03:20] <Belutz> thanks to jono and all CC members :)
[03:20] <Belutz> we will do our best to promote ubuntu in indonesia
[03:20] <harry_sufehmi> thanks all
[03:20] <jono> Belutz, do keep me updated with how you get on :)
[03:21] <Belutz> jono: i will, your email is jono @ u.c ?
[03:21] <dudanogueira> Belutz, wish you luck
[03:21] <jono> Belutz, yes
[03:21] <Belutz> dudanogueira: thanks :)
[03:21] <AmyJ> hi freeflying
[03:21] <jsgotangco> yay
[03:21] <freeflying> AmyJ: hey
[03:21] <Belutz> jono: ok, i'll note that
[03:21] <Belutz> Cheers for Indonesian LoCo Teams :)
[03:21] <jsgotangco> \o/ ubuntu-id \o/
[03:21] <Belutz> jsgotangco: thanks :)
[03:22] <makl10n> Cheers for Indonesian LoCo Team from me too
[03:22] <Scr3W_W0rM> Cheeers...
[03:22] <Niwatori> thx jsgotangco
[03:22] <Belutz> ok, i have to attend another meeting, thanks again all :)
[03:22] <fajran> thanks all!
[03:22] <jono> Belutz, also see #ubuntu-locoteams :)
[03:22] <Belutz> jono: will do :)
[03:23] <Belutz> bye all :)
[03:24] <elmo> so, err, where are we up to?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> how late will this meeting run?   will we have a 3 hour meeting or something?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> elmo: heh.  poke someone to talk
[03:25] <Kamion> well, I have to step out in an hour's time for twenty minutes or so, so I hope not
[03:25] <Kamion> ok, Bangladesh was next in the normal ordr
[03:25] <Kamion> order
[03:25] <Kamion> then Ukraine, Kenya, Hungary
[03:25] <Kamion> any of those here?
[03:25] <Kamion> Hobbsee: kind of magical floating chair
[03:26] <elmo> sometimes it floats off without someone attached
[03:26] <phanatic> Kamion: Hungary present
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Kamion: right...it seems that whoever's sitting on it today needs a good poking, before everyone falls asleep :P
[03:26] <Kamion> phanatic: ok, please carry on
[03:27] <phanatic> Hi everyone, I'm Szilveszter Farkas, the contact person for the Hungarian LoCo Team. Please let me introduce our team in a few words. The whole story began with the Translation Team, which was formed at the end of August 2005 after translating the entire (unofficial) Breezy Guide. Since then we organized many Translation Weekends to accelerate the localization of Ubuntu.
[03:27] <phanatic> The next step was the founding of the Hungarian Ubuntu Community homepage (ubuntu.hu) in the middle of December 2005. We set up a Wiki-based site, so anyone can contribute (there are dozens of howtos available). A forum is also available, we have more than 550 members as of today, and many of them are very active. We have a crew who are hanging around on IRC to help other people as well (#ubuntu-hu). There are two mailing lists current
[03:27] <phanatic> ly: one for the translators and one for the community.
[03:27] <phanatic> In February 2006, a member of our team introduced Ubuntu both on TV and radio (smaller, non-profit stations).
[03:27] <phanatic> In the mean time we also helped out on other IT forums in Hungary to help the beginners getting started with Ubuntu.
[03:27] <phanatic> We have also localized the Ubuntu and Kubuntu Desktop CDs, and found sponsors for mirroring them.
[03:27] <phanatic> The latest news is that we are organizing an Ubuntu Conference in Budapest (with the kind support from Canonical). We invited many well-known developers to present their contributions, and there are also talks in Hungarian to beginners, professionals and business people. (Almost 200 people registered to attend.) More info on that: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/545 - We plan to give away 100s of {U,Ku,Edu}buntu CDs, and also ordered a p
[03:27] <phanatic> lenty of laptop stickers. Oh, and everybody is invited to both the conference and the Edgy release party after that ;)
[03:29] <jono> phanatic, this all sounds great
[03:29] <phanatic> jono: thanks
[03:29] <jono> phanatic, was it you who mailed me about speaking at the conference?
[03:31] <phanatic> jono: i don't think so
[03:31] <jono> ahh
[03:31] <phanatic> jono: that must have been another conf
[03:31] <jono> :)
[03:32] <hunmaat2> And a more latest news is that we are upgrading our community site. We want to make (and have made for test) a hungarian ubuntu planet-like drupal site and a wiki module for it, migrating our old forum and ubuntu-guide-based documentation.
[03:32] <jono> well your team certainly gets a +1 from me
[03:32] <phanatic> jono: thanks a lot :)
[03:33] <phanatic> i hope the others agree too
[03:34] <Seveas> anything else needed from/for the hungarian team or can we move on?
[03:35] <mako> alright then
[03:35] <elmo> looks fine to me
[03:35] <jono> do the CC members want to vote or are they happy?
[03:35] <mako> yes, seems find
[03:35] <jono> ok cool
[03:36] <Seveas> I want to speak on behalf of RolandoBlanco
[03:36] <mako> Seveas: ok
[03:36] <Seveas> I've been e-mailing him and sadly tuesday is a very bad day for him
[03:36] <Seveas> if we can have a meeting on wednesday, at a same time for him (south america) he can show up
[03:36] <mako> Seveas: every day and time is bad for some people
[03:37] <makl10n> suzan229: hello...
[03:37] <Seveas> mako, agreed, but having one meeting on a wednesday won't hurt, would it?
[03:37] <suzan229> makl10n: sorry for late
[03:37] <suzan229> :-)
[03:37] <makl10n> suzan229: it's okay. the Translation / Localization agenda not yet started
[03:38] <mako> Seveas: except that we'll all forget it :)
[03:38] <suzan229> mak110n: That's good. So I'm not late. :-)
[03:38] <makl10n> suzan229: hang around. okay?
[03:38] <jono> ok, I will make the Hungarian team official if there are no objections
[03:38] <mako> well you are late, but this has been a long meeting
[03:38] <Seveas> mako, give me a list of phone numbers and I'll be stalking
[03:38] <suzan229> makl10n: ok
[03:38] <mako> jono: go ahead
[03:38] <jono> cool
[03:38] <jono> phanatic, congrats! :)
[03:38] <mako> Seveas: we can talk about it at the end of this meeting when we plan the next one
[03:39] <mako> lets move on
[03:39] <Seveas> mako, ok
[03:39] <Seveas> kirjanov denis?
[03:39] <phanatic> jono: thanks, we'll try hard to keep you happy :)
[03:39] <jono> :)
[03:39] <Seveas> (btw: I mailed ALL the people with old items on the agenda, those who don't show up today can imho be removed)
[03:39] <Seveas> Neal Bussett, Flannel?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> oh, i hope Flannel makes it - he has been quite helpful on #ubuntu
[03:40] <Hobbsee> Seveas: IRC is set to away
[03:41] <Seveas> y3dips, Ahmad Muammar?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> maybe he went to sleep ;p
[03:41] <Hobbsee> [23:40]  [Whois]  Flannel has been idle for 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 36 seconds.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> thoreauputic: quite likely.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Seveas: [23:41]  [Whois]  _y3dips[0xff]  has been idle for 5 hours, 1 minute, and 30 seconds.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Seveas: who's next?
[03:41] <Seveas> thoreauputic, he said he would make it -- he can always reapply later. Being removed from the agenda merely means that we have a smaller agenda ;)
[03:42] <Seveas> Brendon Toogood brendon8
[03:42] <brendonjt> kia ora
[03:42] <johnlittle> good
[03:42] <thoreauputic> Seveas: good point - lets move on
[03:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:42] <brendonjt> hello
[03:42] <Seveas> Hi brendonjt
[03:42] <Seveas> Please introduce yourself to us and the CC
[03:42] <brendonjt> my name is brendon toogood and from new zealand
[03:43] <Kamion> Brendon had an e-mailed endorsement from a local computer technician he's worked with, saying that he's been a staunch supporter and advocate of Linux in the area
[03:43] <brendonjt> i have been using ubuntu  since dapper but have been using linux for a number of years,since the release of dapper, and alot of my work
[03:44] <Hobbsee> brendonjt: do you have a wiki page here?
[03:44] <brendonjt> has been un-noticed except by the endorsement for the it tech who emailed the cc
[03:44] <brendonjt> wiki/Brendon8
[03:45] <mako> right
[03:45] <brendonjt> my wiki page might not be as flash or set out as flash as others but i  use all my spear time promoting ubuntu and teaching people how to use it and have been in the #ubuntu channel
[03:45] <whitesoft> Hello!
[03:46] <mako> but work in advocating gnu/linux more generally alone does not cross the threshhold of participating in *ubuntu*
[03:46] <Seveas> hi whitesoft, good you could make it!
[03:46] <mako> whitesoft: yes, definitely
[03:46] <whitesoft> Thanks!
[03:47] <brendonjt> i have been promoting ubuntu not just linux and have made flyers and the likes around my small town to promot and get people in volved even took the live cd to a school to show off how powerful it is and got positive response
[03:48] <Seveas> brendonjt, you'll have to excuse me for being blunt, but the CC is looking for a sustained and significant contribution and your wiki page does not show such a contribution
[03:48] <brendonjt> Seveas, : yes true i have problems with wording myslef  it is a health problem  i am more hands on
[03:49] <mako> brendonjt: right, but the only testimonial you have does not demonstate involvement in *this* community
[03:49] <Seveas> brendonjt, how active are you in the NZ locoteam?
[03:50] <brendonjt> i am involved as we are going to be relaunching it and am involved with the people there who are to to relaunch it
[03:50] <brendonjt> some of them are here
[03:50] <mako> brendonjt: great
[03:51] <Seveas> brendonjt, that's very good -- this means that in a few weeks or months you WILL have made a visible contribution to the Ubuntu community
[03:51] <Seveas> the NZ team should be kicking the AU teams ass imho
[03:51] <mako> brendonjt: what wi would recommend is that you continue your involvement in the loco, and then come back with few testimionaisl from folks on the loco and that you have worked with in ubuntu as part of that
[03:51] <elkbuntu> hey!
[03:51] <thoreauputic> ;)
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Seveas: they dont have big enough feet
[03:52] <mako> brendonjt: so work closely with jono which you should be doing already with the loco and he should be willing to help tell you when you're going to be ready to head back here
[03:52] <mako> lets move on
[03:52] <brendonjt> Seveas, : but the way it was launched was pretty dim compared to what it should have been, i only discovered it by google had no idea at the stage it even exsisted
[03:52] <dudanogueira> :)
[03:52] <Seveas> next up is whitesoft
[03:52] <Seveas> who could make it after all
[03:53] <Seveas> brendonjt, help making it grow and you'll get a kiss from Hobbsee
[03:53] <Hobbsee> now hey!!!
[03:53] <brendonjt> huh?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> you most certainly will not
[03:53] <Kamion> brendonjt: that does sound like a good reason to relaunch with a bit more fanfare
[03:53] <thoreauputic> oh dear..... i fear there has been a motion against the chair ;)
[03:53] <Seveas> whitesoft, ?
[03:53] <whitesoft> Plese, sorry for m poor english ;)
[03:54] <brendonjt> yip only got a few weeks to help out  as i am starting back at work  up at 4am till 4am
[03:54] <whitesoft> Hello, my name is Rolando Blanco (www.blanco.net.ve) I'm System Engeneer, works with Ubuntu since warty, I discover it browsing the net...
[03:54] <whitesoft> ...How in my country, de gob. do mandatory the use of Linux in the desktop, then I try ubuntu. and be loved whit it.
[03:54] <whitesoft> I forgot Hasefroch, then changa me mind and my work only Linux,
[03:54] <whitesoft> How UBUNTU if for Huma, then I decide us it...
[03:56] <Seveas> Is anyone from the latino american team around to vouch for whitesoft ?
[03:57] <Seveas> The ubuntu.org.ve site looks nice, how involved are you with it right now whitesoft?
[03:59] <mako> yes, it is pretty impressive
[03:59] <Seveas> ok, next sessions are starting here, so unfortunately I'll be away again
[03:59] <whitesoft> Rigth now I just bring support and teach Ubuntu Linux
[03:59] <whitesoft> May be someone, ask what can I do for Ubuntu, Welll...
[03:59] <whitesoft> ...You can check www.ubuntu.org.ve this is the site of the LoCo VenezuelanTeam
[04:00] <whitesoft> Rigth now, Matt and me are working to change to www.ubuntu-ve.org too
[04:00] <whitesoft> Questions?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> elmo, Kamion questions?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> jono:?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> anyuone?
[04:02] <bimberi> sigh
[04:03] <Kamion> I'd really like to hear something from other Latin American Ubuntu folks
[04:03] <Kamion> about how whitesoft is doing
[04:03] <makl10n> thoreauputic: on which agenda the meeting going on. for the time being
[04:03] <mako> whitesoft: looks really good
[04:03] <mako> but i'd love to hear from others
[04:06] <Kamion> Would it be possible to get somebody else on the Latin American team to e-mail in an account of what you've been doing, and we can review that next time (in your absence, if necessary)?
[04:06] <mako> yes that's fine
[04:06] <mako> whitesoft: it's good that you've showed up, you don't need to do ita gain
[04:07] <mako> but it would be good to collect a couple testimonials before we make a decision to approve the membership request
[04:07] <whitesoft> I m the creator of this, In fact, I host it, and register it, this was a very nice experience, beacause, I did it only me, just along, then every day some one come and join the team
[04:07] <whitesoft> rigth now, we are more then 500 people, have 3 web administrators, have an IRC channel, and a mailing list, was greate just in 4 mounth
[04:07] <whitesoft> every body join it, but jus may be official member how sign the Code of Conduct
[04:07] <whitesoft> who sig, (sorry)
[04:07] <whitesoft> We are not JUST an other Comunity,,,
[04:07] <whitesoft> ... we say that we are a Fraternity...
[04:07] <whitesoft> The official mane of our organization is...
[04:07] <whitesoft> ... Fraternity Ubuntu Linux of Venezuela.
[04:07] <whitesoft> We most to try to operate every time whit the COC and try to NO talk bad about any other Operative System...
[04:08] <whitesoft> Ok, thank you to all.
[04:08] <mako> whitesoft: great, thanks for showing up
[04:08] <jono> sorry was on the phone
[04:08] <Hobbsee> jono: seems that *everyone* was.
[04:08] <gsuveg> re
[04:09] <mako> alright
[04:09] <mako> who is next on the schedule
[04:09] <Hobbsee> mako: looks like dudanogueira and elkbuntu are here and active, for a start
[04:09] <Kamion> whitesoft: very glad to hear that, and it sounds like you're doing a good job - we just like to hear from other people with regard to community-building work
[04:09] <Hobbsee> most of the others seem to be away
[04:09] <Hobbsee> perhaps we process them first?
[04:09] <elkbuntu> johnlittle is around also
[04:09] <johnlittle> n/me is not away
[04:09] <EdgyEft> dudanogueira is next
[04:09] <dudanogueira> here!
[04:10] <Hobbsee> [00:06]  [Away]  john_little is away: I'm busy
[04:10] <Hobbsee> [00:06]  [Whois]  john_little has been idle for 2 hours, 46 minutes, and 10 seconds.
[04:10] <evand> I am here as well
[04:10] <elkbuntu> wrong johnlittle ;)
[04:10] <dudanogueira> can start?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> heh.  your whois' lie then
[04:10] <mako> alright
[04:10] <EdgyEft> dudanogueira: please do
[04:10] <dudanogueira> Its a daily battle. As i borned in a small city, i havent the information necessary for technology freedom. Moved to a bigger city for studing (4 years now!, Gratuating in Public Affairs Management with focus on technology) and for a good work on webdevelopment. Now i finally have tech freedom :)
[04:10] <dudanogueira> It doesn't came from the college, i had to learn it on the hard way: already on a job. So, i feel the need to spread the free software philosophy and possibilities wherever i can: at colleges, friends, work, partners and on. Its the key for a tech freedom country.
[04:10] <dudanogueira> In my natal city (a very poor one), i have to admit, its getting better all the time. In 26/10 we gonna have an event in a new college from there, and they called us (ubuntu-br-mg) for talking about software libre, and of course, ubuntu. ;). We'll have workshops, radio and newspappers interview, and a lot more. Wait for photos! It will be the trhird event that i unnoficially represents Ubuntu.  More Details in my Profile: http
[04:10] <dudanogueira> ://wiki.ubuntu.com/DudaNogueira
[04:10] <whitesoft> Excelent, just remember please, that in the Launchpad and in the site, I identify my self like rolando, see you Bye...
[04:11] <dudanogueira> Some cool links: http://barraroumi.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/iii-festival-software-livre-da-bahia-fotos/, http://blog.licio.eti.br/?p=21, http://fotos.ubuntubrasil.org/v/1UbuntuBeerH/
[04:11] <mako> dudanogueira: thanks
[04:11] <mako> dudanogueira: i'm checking out the links/wiki
[04:11] <mako> elmo:
[04:11] <mako> elmo: "Author on Brazilian Ubuntu Planet"
[04:12] <mako> elmo: improvement this time :)
[04:12] <Seveas> :D
[04:12] <dudanogueira> mako, unfortunately, my fellows coudnt be present in a great number, as they had to work
[04:12] <nixternal> lol mako
[04:12] <mako> dudanogueira: can you provide a link to your brazilian forum posts?
[04:12] <mako> like a summary or a place we can view them?
[04:13] <dudanogueira> mako, owk, im grabbing it
[04:13] <mako> thanks
[04:13] <Seveas> dudanogueira: that actually is not too bad, the -br crowd was rather noisy last time
[04:14] <mako> well, it's nice to have someone
[04:14] <dudanogueira> Seveas, yeah. -br people here is very active
[04:14] <mako> if folks can't come, they are welcome to send testimionaisl to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:14] <Seveas> -br must be the locoteam with most Ubuntu members
[04:14] <dudanogueira> mako, cant find how to index all the posts
[04:14] <mako> Seveas: yeah, probably
[04:15] <sfair> Seveas, and we wanna be the most active too :-)
[04:15] <dudanogueira> mako, already granted licio, Ubuntuser, OgMaciel and other testimonials, that will be sent later
[04:15] <sfair> may I say some words about dudanogueira?
[04:16] <Seveas> sfair: please
[04:16] <sfair> mako, http://planeta.ubuntubrasil.org/author/35 (dudanogueira's posts)
[04:16] <mako> sfair: those are not forums posts
[04:16] <mako> sfair: those are planet posts, i already saw that
[04:16] <sfair> as a member of ubuntu-br-doc i'd like to say that we have good guys working here and duda is one of them
[04:16] <sfair> he does an excelent job, helping us to improve our wiki... he also helps doing translations
[04:16] <sfair> mako, sorry
[04:16] <mako> sfair: that's useful, thanks
[04:17] <mako> dudanogueira: can you at least point me to your user profile in the forums?
[04:17] <dudanogueira> mako, it should be here: http://ubuntu.linuxval.org/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=4543;sa=showPosts
[04:17] <sfair> and dudanogueira also has a great job spreading the ubuntu spirit as he said in his wikipage
[04:17] <dudanogueira> sfair, thank you :)
[04:17] <Kamion> dudanogueira: out of interest, what have you been doing with the accessibility team?
[04:18] <Seveas> Nome:  	bit_doidao
[04:18] <Seveas> Mensagens: 	24 (0,329 por dia)
[04:18] <Seveas> Posio: 	Usurio Ubuntu
[04:18] <Seveas> Data de registo: 	07 de Julho de 2006, 12:02
[04:18] <Seveas> ltima visita: 	Hoje s 11:16
[04:18] <Seveas> (from his profile)
[04:18] <dudanogueira> Kamion, as i "converted" my mother, i listen her complains and experiences. From now i coudnt help a lot
[04:19] <dudanogueira> but its on my plans to make some suggestions. Simple things that bothers beginner users
[04:19] <jsgotangco> that's not accessibility related
[04:19] <Kamion> accessibility => disabled users
[04:20] <dudanogueira> Kamion, owk, maybe i misunderstood the initial concept.
[04:20] <jsgotangco> you might want to check out NUN (New User Network)
[04:21] <Seveas> anyone have questions for dudanogueira ?
[04:22] <Kamion> you seem to have done a fair bit of translation work though, along with the rest of the pt_BR cabal :)
[04:22] <dudanogueira> any questions?
[04:22] <mako> dudanogueira: wait, so you've posted only 24 messages on that account
[04:22] <mako> that's fine
[04:22] <mako> but it doesn't seem like that would qualify as an active contributor
[04:22] <mako> especially since it's over several months
[04:22] <dudanogueira> mako my focus is on wiki and translating the educational apps
[04:23] <mako> that's fine
[04:23] <mako> but on your wiki page, you claimed an active role in the forums and i'm not really finding that
[04:23] <dudanogueira> and also spreading the free software phisolophy in related events
[04:24] <dudanogueira> mako, active in the server talk area, and this area isnt so active. But i have one eye on there, and every question i try to solve as i can :)
[04:26] <Seveas> More questions?
[04:26] <mako> dudanogueira: have you done your translation through rosetta
[04:26] <Kamion> I have to go and pick my stepson up from school; I'll be back in about 15 minutes
[04:26] <Kamion> please do continue without me and I'll vote belatedly if necessary
[04:26] <Seveas> Kamion: ok
[04:26] <dudanogueira> mako, some stuffs are translated in rosseta, but the mainly content is translated in our wiki, also produced too
[04:27] <dudanogueira> in rosetta i give a focus on educational softwares
[04:27] <mako> dudanogueira: can you point to some wiki pages that you are proud of that you have helped do?
[04:27] <dudanogueira> mako: http://wiki.ubuntubrasil.org/VoipNoUbuntu
[04:27] <mako> dudanogueira: your wiki page is good in that it lists a lot of things that you ahve worked on but without links it makes it very hard to verify most of your claims
[04:28] <mako> which it's our responsibility to do :)
[04:28] <dudanogueira> its a article for using Voip on Ubuntu, as far as the VOIP operators doesnt say that linux is suported.
[04:28] <mako> cool, looking now
[04:28] <mako> any others that come to mind?
[04:28] <dudanogueira> mako, translated the iptables and restriceted formats (looking in to it)
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry to interupt, but i have to go. heres my *woot* of support for elkbuntu . *woot elkbuntu *
[04:29] <dudanogueira> and also the SubGruposRegionais, that is a try to map all the brazilian user on a per city basis
[04:29] <jsgotangco> this is probably the longest CC meeting of all time
[04:29] <mako> i know
[04:29] <thoreauputic> jsgotangco: I think a serious look at limiting time spent on each issue would help...
[04:30] <siccness> ^
[04:30] <mako> yes
[04:30] <Seveas> jsgotangco: thoreauputic, meta-discussions like this don't help
[04:30] <dudanogueira> wiki.ubuntubrasil.org/SubGruposRegionais, wiki.ubuntubrasil.org/FormatosProprietarios
[04:30] <thoreauputic> Seveas: meta discussions may not help, but this meetinghas been a farce, sorry
[04:32] <mako> dudanogueira: but much of those pages are not translated
[04:32] <mako> at least the last one
[04:32] <mako> dudanogueira: it looks good but i'm going to want to see a few more testimonials
[04:32] <dudanogueira> mako, strange. it was 100% translated
[04:32] <mako> really?
[04:33] <mako> dudanogueira: look at wiki.ubuntubrasil.org/FormatosProprietarios
[04:33] <dudanogueira> as far as i can remember
[04:33] <dudanogueira> already on there
[04:33] <mako> only up until  Real Media
[04:33] <mako> and http://wiki.ubuntubrasil.org/SubGruposRegionais is just a list
[04:33] <mako> anyway, i'd really like to have a few more testimonials
[04:33] <mako> especially because you come from a team with so many members
[04:34] <mako> there's really not excuse not to
[04:34] <mako> :)
[04:34] <Seveas> Looking at the info for the Formatos page, dudanogueira didn't doo too much on it
[04:34] <mako> dudanogueira: and try to provide links and example for all of the things on your wiki page
[04:34] <dudanogueira> Seveas, we are working on it
[04:34] <dudanogueira> also http://wiki.ubuntubrasil.org/Iptables
[04:35] <jsgotangco> pretty good lp karma though, if not only recently
[04:35] <Seveas> dudanogueira: pleasee collect dome testimonials from others
[04:35] <Seveas> mako: I propose to move forward
[04:35] <mako> please
[04:36] <dudanogueira> mako, Seveas sure :)
[04:36] <mako> i need to be at work in like -1 hour :)
[04:36] <Seveas> evand: you're on
[04:36] <evand> Hi, I'm Evan Dandrea.  My Launchpad page is https://launchpad.net/people/evand.  I was one of the students working for Ubuntu in this year's Summer of Code.  I am working on adding migration assistance to debian-installer and Ubiquity.
[04:36] <evand> This project enables users to import user accounts, documents, and a variety of settings from their previous operating systems.  This project has made it into Universe for Edgy, though it is not included in the installer as it wasn't ready for mass use at the cutoff.
[04:36] <evand> Going forward I'm aiming for inclusion on the CD for Edgy+1 as well as Vista and OS X support.
[04:36] <mako> evand: who was your mentor?
[04:36] <jsgotangco> Kamion was your mentor no?
[04:36] <evand> mako: Kamion
[04:37] <evand> jsgotangco: correct
[04:37] <mako> did Kamion suggest that you apply for membership?
[04:37] <evand> I brought it up with him, but he was willing to support it.
[04:37] <mako> that's a pretty high endorsement
[04:37] <evand> I know :)
[04:37] <jsgotangco> and his project is in edgy
[04:38] <evand> as a source package, yes
[04:38] <mako> yes
[04:39] <evand> Kamion did say he would speak on my behalf, but as he said above he's a bit tied up at the moment.
[04:40] <Seveas> evand: do you mind if we postpone you until he's back?
[04:40] <evand> Seveas: Not at all
[04:40] <Seveas> evand: thank you, let's move on then, johnlittle is up next
[04:41] <johnlittle> Hi all. I will try to make this brief
[04:41] <johnlittle> My name is John Little. I've been an Ubuntu user and advocate since Warty. I'm a member of the Marketing Team, where among other things I work on the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. I have blogged about Ubuntu in various locations since its initial release. My personal blog is ranked by Technorati as the second most authoritative Ubuntu blog. Continued...
[04:41] <johnlittle> More recently, I've created Ubuntu Video (http://www.ubuntuvideo.com) and it is the focus of much of my Ubuntu-related work. I'm also providing technical feedback to the Fridge editors and if all goes well will eventually be able to get access and help them with some Drupal administration issues that will help with SEO and site maintenance. My wiki address is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnLittle. Let the grilling begin.
[04:41] <Seveas> Any marketing/fridge people around for cheering?
[04:41] <bimberi> \o/ for johnlittle, in particular the fantastic Ubuntu Video site and i'm aware of his strong contributions to the marketing team over the last two months (at least).  I'm also aware that he sat through an excruciating CC meeting while applying for membership ;p
[04:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:42] <elkbuntu> he's done alot with the marketing group, yeah
[04:42] <mako> evand: i'm happy with membership FWIW
[04:42] <evand> thanks mako
[04:42] <nixternal> johnlittle has done so much from an advocational aspect for Ubuntu in such a short time.  He has helped out a lot with the UWN, created a new project on his own, and merged it with Ubuntu Marketing, Ubuntu Video. He is a ++ candidate IMHO and would be an assett to Ubuntu and the community
[04:42] <elkbuntu> we're trying to get burgwork and nixternal currently
[04:43] <Seveas> nixternal: thanks a lot
[04:43] <mindspin> nixternal: ++
[04:43] <mako> johnlittle: great work!
[04:43] <mako> i hadn't seen ubuntuvideo before
[04:43] <johnlittle> Thank you
[04:43] <mako> suprisingly
[04:43] <nixternal> Ubuntu Video totally kicks arse!
[04:43] <mako> a littlea nnoying it can't be played without flash, but that's not really your fault
[04:44] <nixternal> he has even put up his own money as a bounty to receive some killer videos!
[04:44] <johnlittle> theres a flash fee section on the right sidebar
[04:44] <johnlittle> free
[04:44] <mako> oh really!
[04:44] <mako> cool
[04:44] <thoreauputic> mako: actually IIRCsome can be played with ffplay for instance ( flv?)
[04:45] <mako> yes,
[04:45] <johnlittle> Part of the goal is to get people to push videos out to google video and youtube..hence the flash part
[04:45] <mako> corey burger sent a testimonial over email as well
[04:45] <nixternal> haha
[04:45] <mako> I have also worked with John Little as part of the Marketing Team and
[04:45] <mako> have been very pleased with John's work and communication skills. John
[04:45] <mako> started Ubuntu Video (ubuntuvideo.com) before he even found out about
[04:45] <mako> the Marketing Team, but after some communication with him, quickly
[04:45] <mako> came to help us out. He has also thrown himself into helping create
[04:45] <mako> the Ubuntu Weekly News and have nothing but praise for his efforts in
[04:46] <mako> that area. You can read more about John at
[04:46] <mako> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnLittle
[04:46] <mako> johnlittle: anyway, great and original contributions
[04:46] <johnlittle> Thanks again
[04:46] <mako> johnlittle: stuff we've never seen before :)
[04:46] <mako> i'm happy with johnlittle for membership
[04:46] <mako> elmo: ?
[04:46] <nixternal> plus he interviews politicians!  he is our way into congress ;)
[04:46] <elmo> ack
[04:47] <mako> johnlittle: great 2/3, Kamion will weigh in when he returns
[04:47] <Seveas> ok, Lie_Ex
[04:47] <Kamion> back
[04:47] <Lie_Ex> Here.
[04:47] <mako> Lie_Ex: wait
[04:47] <mako> lets finish with evand first
[04:47] <evand> Thanks
[04:48] <mako> Kamion: want to say a word about evand since you worked with him?
[04:48] <Kamion> I'm happy with John Little too
[04:48] <Kamion> impressive testimonials
[04:48] <Seveas> johnlittle: congratulations!
[04:48] <johnlittle> Woot! Thanks
[04:49] <bimberi> congrats johnlittle :)
[04:49] <nixternal> congrats johnlittle
[04:49] <Kamion> yeah, I worked with Evan this summer; very competent development work, quick understanding of the infrastructure involved, and the migration assistant will (when ready) be an excellent tool for attracting switchers
[04:49] <Kamion> which I believe is a substantial part of Evan's motivation
[04:50] <Kamion> I saw Evan around a little bit before the summer of code, and he's willing and eager to continue contributing after it
[04:50] <Seveas> sounds good
[04:51] <Kamion> while Evan did bring it up with me, I also expressed a desire that he go for membership while writing up his final Google report, before reading what he'd written
[04:51] <Kamion> so I was pleased that it occurred to both of us
[04:51] <evand> Ah, I forgot about that, sorry.
[04:51] <Kamion> I can't remember if I mentioned it, but no worries anyway
[04:52] <mako> great :)
[04:52] <mako> well i'm happy with evand with membership
[04:52] <Kamion> so, er, slightly obviously, evand++ for membership, and I'd like to see him go for MOTU as well
[04:52] <evand> will do
[04:52] <Seveas> elmo: ?
[04:53] <Seveas> elmo will catch up, we really should move on
[04:53] <Kamion> nod
[04:53] <Seveas> (unless anyone protests)
[04:53] <Seveas> Lie_Ex: please paste your introduction
[04:54] <evand> Kamion: thanks for the kind words
[04:54] <Lie_Ex> Hi,all.I'm Chinese,Lie Ex is my English name.
[04:54] <elmo> ack
[04:54] <Lie_Ex> I've been a Linux desktop user for 2+ years and started using Ubuntu from Breezy.Before 4 months I joined zh_CN translation team.
[04:54] <Kamion> evand: no problem, and looks like elmo agrees, so you're in
[04:54] <Seveas> elmo: merci, evand: congrats!
[04:54] <evand> great!  Thanks everyone!  Sorry to interrupt Lie_Ex.
[04:55] <Seveas> are there some l10n-zh-cn people around to testify?
[04:55] <Lie_Ex> I'm charge of the tranlastion of basement apps now.
[04:56] <mako> your translation work looks very impressive
[04:56] <Kamion> basement> base system?
[04:56] <Lie_Ex> My wiki page:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lie_ex
[04:56] <mako> the KDE booklet that you put together does as well, although it's not directly related to work in the ubuntu community
[04:56] <Lie_Ex> Kamion: e.g:coreutils/quota/rpm and so on.
[04:56] <mako> Lie_Ex: many of your rosetta translations seem to be in kde apps?
[04:57] <mako> Lie_Ex: still your interest?
[04:57] <Kamion> right
[04:57] <Lie_Ex> mako: Yes,and for working.
[04:57] <freeflying> Seveas: me
[04:57] <Kamion> you said you were interested in coordinating translation; is anyone filling that role at present?
[04:57] <Seveas> freeflying: any comments/testimonials about Lie_Ex are welcome, so please speak up :)
[04:58] <Kamion> or do you mean the localisation/translation team leader post?
[04:58] <freeflying> Lie_Ex: have done many translation on launchpad, we all appreciate with her work
[04:58] <Lie_Ex> Kamion: It looks that we're lacking of the person now.
[04:59] <freeflying> Seveas: Kamion  and we think Lie_Ex is the right now for l10n-zhcn
[05:00] <Seveas> sounds good
[05:00] <Lie_Ex> Kamion: Meanwhile I try to spread Ubuntu/Kubuntu to my company,the effect looks well.
[05:01] <Seveas> any other questions?
[05:01] <Kamion> I'm happy
[05:01] <Seveas> 1 down
[05:01] <Seveas> mako, elmo?
[05:03] <mako> sorry, called away there for a moment
[05:03] <nixternal> ;)
[05:03] <Seveas> argh, ok, sorry about the pinging folks
[05:03] <mako> phone call :)
[05:03] <Seveas> irssi got the better of me
[05:03] <mako> but yeah, i'm happy with Lie_Ex
[05:03] <popey> heh
[05:03] <mako> great translation work
[05:03] <Lie_Ex> thx.:)
[05:04] <Seveas> ok, elkbuntu please start your introduction while we wait for elmos vot
[05:04] <Seveas> e
[05:04] <elkbuntu> Hi, I'm Melissa Draper, aka elkbuntu. You may have heard of me in conjunction with the Ubuntu Counter (http://www.ubuntucounter.org) or the surveys (http://surveys.geekosophical.net) that are currently being done. I'm also the LoCo Contact for the Australian LoCo and lately I've been working with jono on a LoCo Mentoring pilot/feasibility case study. I've also done a bit of support stuff and so forth in #ubuntu and on the
[05:04] <elkbuntu> -users mailing list, but lately I have focused on the abovementioned things. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MelissaDraper and my launchpad is https://launchpad.net/people/melissa
[05:04] <Hobbsee> yay elkbuntu!
[05:04] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu has been doing a terrific job of running the Australian Team.
[05:04] <johnlittle> Elkbuntu hardly needs props from me..but shes done awesome work
[05:04] <bimberi> elkbuntu is doing a great job as LoCo-au team contact - maintaining the momentum established by her predecessor.  Then there's the work with the marketing team and the ubuntu counter and, just recently, the ubuntu surveys.  She has been and will be a great asset to this community.
[05:05] <Fujitsu> The counter and surveys are fantastic too!
[05:05] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu is also a great contributor on IRC
[05:05] <jsgotangco> we can now all bow to her ubuntu-au majesty
[05:05] <siccness> Indeed, thoreauputic.
[05:05] <Fujitsu> jsgotangco, yup.
[05:05] <nixternal> Melissa Rocks!  Need we say more than "Ubuntu Counter". This little project blew up and became fairly popular, and has helped tremendously from a marketing standpoint. Plus you have her work with the Aussie team. Excellent member candidate and w/o a doubt another asset to the community!
[05:05] <elkbuntu> wow.. thanks guys
[05:05] <mako> corey burger also sent a very positive testimonial about elkbuntu
[05:05] <jrib> I know elkbuntu basically because of the counters and surveys, they seem to have generated a lot of discussion on digg and the likes.  She seems really comitted!
[05:05] <lucychili> +++ from kamping kaiser siccness and me
[05:06] <bimberi> and the fact that we've stayed around this late to cheer her on demonstrates the esteem in which we hold her :)
[05:06] <mako> yes :)
[05:06] <rikai> Indeed.
[05:06] <siccness> Heh
[05:06] <thoreauputic> bimberi: it does indeed :)
[05:06] <elmo> ack lie_ex
[05:06] <nixternal> truth be told, she threatened the Aussies w/ physica bodily harm if they didn't stay
[05:06] <lucychili> sorry siccness thought youd scarpered =)
[05:06] <Seveas> elmo: merci
[05:06] <Seveas> Lie_Ex: welcome to "the club"
[05:06] <elmo> (sorry, was AFK)
[05:06] <mako> elkbuntu: great work :)
[05:06] <rodarvus> dude, elkbuntu is probably the new record holding person for most chering in a CC meeting :)
[05:06] <freeflying> Lie_Ex: congrats
[05:07] <siccness> Heh, I did, but wanted to support elkbuntu
[05:07] <bimberi> congrats Lie_Ex!
[05:07] <elkbuntu> nixternal, of course you know this since you're aussie, right ;)
[05:07] <mako> elkbuntu: i'm looking forward to your loco mentoring work with jono
[05:07] <Seveas> is anyone doing LP duty today?
[05:07] <mako> Seveas: i can do it after the meeting
[05:07] <nixternal> nope, im a lonely chicago`ite or something like that ;)
[05:07] <rodarvus> *cheering
[05:07] <Seveas> mako: thanks
[05:07] <Kamion> elkbuntu's work and testimonials are impressive, and I'm especially pleased to see somebody else working on general locoteam coordination
[05:07] <mako> elkbuntu: you have my support
[05:07] <Lie_Ex> Seveas: Well,thank you for ratify.
[05:08] <thoreauputic> in addition to her great work, elkbuntu helps to keep a good atmosphere in the channels
[05:09] <nalioth> +1 for elkbuntu
[05:09] <johnlittle> and she rounds up puppies for Corey Burger
[05:09] <thoreauputic> heh
[05:09] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, he demanded kittens for the recommendation
[05:09] <johnlittle> :)
[05:09] <Kamion> elmo: how about you?
[05:09] <elmo> ack
[05:09] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[05:09] <elkbuntu> :)
[05:09] <nixternal> woohoo!! Ubuntu Marketing 2/2! Congratulations elkbuntu and johnlittle!!!
[05:10] <johnlittle> Congrats!
[05:10] <Fujitsu> Congrats elkbuntu :D
[05:10] <Seveas> elkbuntu: thanks for rocking so hard and being fast in the meeting
[05:10] <bimberi> \o/ elkbuntu
[05:10] <elkbuntu> thanks everyone!
[05:10] <siccness> Congrats elkbuntu
[05:10] <Hobbsee> yay elkbuntu!
[05:10] <Fujitsu> bimberi, agreed!
[05:10] <siccness> now i can go to bed :)
[05:10] <Seveas> superm1: you're up
[05:10] <mindspin> congrats
[05:10] <freeflying> elkbuntu: congrats
[05:10] <nixternal> lol
[05:10] <nixternal> doh
[05:10] <Seveas> lol
[05:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:10] <thoreauputic> elkbuntu: well done :)
[05:10] <Fujitsu> Hahahaha.
[05:10] <nixternal> break it down one time
[05:10] <rikai> elkbuntu: congrats
[05:10] <Seveas> ok, lophyte please go first
[05:10] <siccness> lol
[05:10] <Seveas> ah wait
[05:10] <jsgotangco> heh au folks are holding on at this hour
[05:10] <Fujitsu> Seveas, he went to bed.
[05:10] <Seveas> superm1: try not to flood ;)
[05:10] <nixternal> Seveas: lophyte had to split
[05:10] <superm1> whoops got booted for flooding
[05:10] <gnomefreak> congrats elkbuntu :)
[05:10] <Fujitsu> *away, not to be
[05:11] <superm1> ill try agin
[05:11] <Fujitsu> *bed
[05:11] <rikai> Seveas: he had to leave.
[05:11] <superm1> Hi everyone, I'm Mario Limonciello (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/superm1).  I've been a long time Gentoo user, and converted to beign an Ubuntu user the last year.  I switched because I was helping set up linux for a friend, and wanted something very user friendly for them.  I hadn't used Ubuntu, but heard raving reviews about how great it was.
[05:11] <Fujitsu> jsgotangco, yeah..
[05:11] <superm1>  Once I set it up for her, I acknowledged why it was so great and began to start using it myself.  Since then, I've tried to give back to the community in helping people on the forums, even going through and mining beginner posts every so often for quick answers to help them with.  I have taken an interest in compiz/xgl, and maintaining a HOWTO on compiz.net for setting it up a bit differently then most people.  All along
[05:11] <superm1>  As newer versions were released in Ubuntu, packaging started to fall behind.  Earlier this year, I wanted to try to do something to help this situation.  I learned how to package in debian format and properly packaged a mythtv 0.19-fixes branch to match the current Gentoo revision at the time.
[05:11] <superm1> Since then, I have tried to keep up on the packaging up through the recent 0.20 release.  The most recent build is now a sync from debian-multimedia along with a patch from my own personal repository for gnome-screensaver support.  I'm looking to become an Ubuntu member to join the MOTU's, and be able to help get newer software like MythTV into Ubuntu sooner, so we dont go through a release that misses a new version of som
[05:12] <Kamion> oh, we need to deal with those debian-multimedia syncs ...
[05:12] <superm1> haha
[05:12] <Fujitsu> Kamion, yes you do.
[05:12] <Seveas> superm1: your wiki page doesn't really show any significant contribution to Ubuntu -- did you bring any -ca or -marketing people to cheer for you?
[05:13] <nixternal> hmm
[05:13] <superm1> Unfortunately, I didn't bring anyone along.  I was asking some MOTUs to join, but they said they couldn't make it
[05:13] <superm1> I've tried to present my repo however I could
[05:13] <mako> he's done a bunch of work on the multimedia stuff.. but most of seem slike it's still in the process of transitioning into the project
[05:13] <Kamion> I think that's mostly not his fault
[05:14] <Kamion> but sure
[05:14] <mako> superm1: do you have testomials
[05:14] <Kamion> (multimedia syncs tend to require lots of review due to the prevalence of dodgy licensing/patents)
[05:14] <superm1> Just people on the forums saying thanks and such for putting repos up really
[05:15] <superm1> And then imbrandon thanked me for helping get mythtv into revu so soon
[05:15] <superm1> after marrilat finished his package
[05:15] <superm1> I've searched around the net and seen my repos put up for some myth howtos even.  in languages I don't know how to read :)
[05:16] <jsgotangco> yeah that happens
[05:16] <jsgotangco> you just get surprised at the same time happy to know
[05:16] <superm1> yea
[05:17] <mako> superm1: lets wait until a few more people get a chance to take a look at it
[05:17] <superm1> k
[05:17] <mako> superm1: with a few testimonials and a continued role of maintaining the packages, you should be a no-brainer
[05:17] <mako> superm1: work with jono to make sure he's comfortable with the state of the app
[05:17] <superm1> Ok
[05:17] <mako> superm1: and when he gives a nod, come on back :)
[05:17] <mako> cool
[05:17] <superm1> sounds good to me
[05:18] <Seveas> WE MADE IT
[05:18] <Seveas> the end of the agenda :)
[05:18] <elkbuntu> yay!
[05:18] <Seveas> now to determine date & time of the next one
[05:18] <Seveas> Oct 3, but which time?
[05:18] <elmo> how about a 2 year break instead of 2 weeks?
[05:19] <Seveas> elmo: heh
[05:19] <elkbuntu> nice try
[05:19] <Seveas> elmo: I'll be e-mailing the CC about some proposals to shorten the meetings
[05:19] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:20] <Seveas> mako/elmo/kamion: any time proposals?
[05:20] <GazzaK> wiring up to electric chairs with remote switches?
[05:20] <elmo> I'm easy
[05:21] <elmo> early evening this time? like 5pm UTC or so?
[05:21] <mako> yes
[05:21] <Seveas> ack
[05:21] <mako> that sounds fine
[05:21] <mako> let me put it in my calendar
[05:21] <mako> i forgot to put todays
[05:21] <elmo> Kamion: ok for you too?
[05:21] <mako> great
[05:22] <Kamion> yes, that's ok
[05:22] <Kamion> (sorry, was called away by veg box delivery)
[05:22] <Seveas> see you all next time people, I'll edit the agenda later today
[05:22] <Kamion> also, I should mention that I e-mailed notice that I'd like to retire from the CC
[05:22] <Seveas> thanks to all (and the CC in particular) for lasting
[05:23] <Kamion> assuming Mark accepts that, I expect that there'll need to be some kind of new CC member election
[05:23] <Kamion> (since my two-year term is up, and I think others can probably do a better job than me by now)
[05:24] <Seveas> Kamion: I'd like to propose jono as candidate
[05:24] <Kamion> Jono was also one of my proposals
[05:24] <Kamion> however, nominations are Mark's decision
[05:24] <Seveas> true
[05:24] <Kamion> anyhow, I need to go and clean up a spill
[05:24] <Seveas> have fun, see you in 2 weeks!
[05:25] <makl10n> so the meeting is over
[05:25] <Seveas> makl10n: yes, finally
[05:25] <gnomefreak> makl10n: yes
[05:25] <jsgotangco> makl10n: finally
[05:25] <rikai> Later CC people, thanks for putting up with all that. :)
[05:25] <makl10n> Seveas: the CC meeting is finished
[05:26] <makl10n> what about the Localization / Translation Team Leader agenda
[05:26] <Seveas> makl10n: oh damn
[05:26] <nixternal> LOL
[05:26] <Seveas> makl10n: I doubt that the CC has enough energy for that right now, and og and the LP crew are also missing
[05:26] <makl10n> hmm...
[05:26] <dudanogueira> Seveas, one of the proposed members for translation leader isnt here, OgMaciel :(
[05:27] <Seveas> makl10n: my apologies for forgettingto bring it up earlier
[05:27] <Linuturk_yaaarr> just accept them all ;p
[05:27] <makl10n> its.. Okay. I watched how busy you were
[05:27] <makl10n> :P
[05:27] <makl10n> Seveas: I can realize you had the longest meeting ever for CC
[05:28] <Seveas> there was a longer one
[05:28] <Seveas> once
[05:28] <mako> yes, sorry, i'm done for the day
[05:29] <mako> with this meeting at least :)
[05:29] <makl10n> Okay no prob
[05:29] <makl10n> Alaways there is a next time
[05:29] <jsgotangco> heh ciao
[05:31] <makl10n> EdgyEft: Shall I leave? Say something
[05:31] <makl10n> EdgyEft: How about on next meeting?
[05:32] <makl10n> Kamion: Shall I leave?
[05:32] <makl10n> *i'm leaving
[05:32] <rikai> "There was a legend of a longer CC meeting... But it has long since been lost in the annals of ubuntu history..." *awkward silence*  "...We forgot to log it, ok?"
[05:32] <eyequeue> all that time, but the irc on freenode issue never got discussed
[05:34] <johnlittle> Is there ant sort of followup us new member tyoes have to do?
[05:34] <johnlittle> any
[05:34] <nalioth> johnlittle: be patient?
[05:34] <nixternal> you still have initiation hazing to go through...meet us at the UDS Mountain View for that ;)
[05:35] <Kamion> nope, mako will do the LP processing, and at some point soon after that an @ubuntu.com address should be semiautomatically created
[05:35] <johnlittle> k