[01:36] <mup> PR snapcraft#1026 opened: Add support for hooks <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1026>
[03:41] <mup> Bug #1654130 opened: Adding a tag indicating manual connection is needed when displaying interfaces <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654130>
[03:42] <Croepha> Whats the name of the network config stuff thats on core? the thing that replaces etc/interfaces ... trying to find documentation on it and its been a while forgot what it was called
[03:45] <Croepha> netplan
[06:22] <longsleep> mwhudson: well that particular wifi driver is crap in any case, so i would not bother much as the rest seems to work fine. Will try the new edge build on the weekend and then hopefully can report that everything is working
[06:30] <liuxg> Croepha, I have a Chinese blog article at http://blog.csdn.net/ubuntutouch/article/details/53500874 you may use google translate to translate it.
[08:21] <zyga> o/
[08:21] <davidcalle> kyrofa: sergiusens: when is the next snapcraft release?
[09:43] <mup> Bug #1637611 opened: snappy images should not ship /etc/profile.d/Z99-cloud-locale-test.sh <Snappy:In Progress by ogra> <livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu):In Progress by ogra> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637611>
[09:44] <mup> PR snapd#2558 opened: snapstate: move refresh from a systemd timer to the inernal snapstate Ensure() <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2558>
[10:16] <ogra_> mvo, /etc/profile.d/snappy-oem-branding.sh still looks in /oem for stuff ... should we update it to look somewhere else or just throw it out ?
[10:18] <mvo> ogra_: throw it out please, we have no equivalent for this currently
[10:18] <ogra_> yeah, thought so
[10:42] <mardy> hi, can anyone help me with this snapcraft error? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapcraft/2016-December/002186.html
[11:45] <mup> PR snapd#2395 closed: make state and squashes immutable when appropriate <Created by chipaca> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2395>
[13:00] <mup> Issue snapd#2559 opened: seccomp tests fail on Ubuntu 16.04 in when running in qemu or linode <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/issue/2559>
[13:20] <zyga> jdstrand: hey
[13:20] <zyga> jdstrand: any chance you could have a look at ^^
[13:20] <zyga> jdstrand: just as a sanity check, to answer one question
[13:21] <zyga> jdstrand: specifically if this part looks fishy:
[13:21] <zyga> DEBUG: Input line: mmap2
[13:21] <zyga> DEBUG: seccomp rule: ALLOW sycall -10029
[13:21] <zyga> when loading the profile, we seemingly parse "mmap2" to syscall number -10029 (int)
[13:38] <jdstrand> zyga: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/issue/2559 gives a 404. based on what you pasted, it is saying that mmap2 is allowed by the snappy policy but is unknown on the system that snapd is running on. based on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/syscalls/, mmap2 was introduced in kernel 3.19
[13:39] <zyga> jdstrand: the mup thing is buggy, use "issues" not "issue" (missing "s")
[13:39] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/issues/2559
[13:40] <jdstrand> zyga: perhaps the application is a statically compiled application that uses mmap2? perhaps the application is using a library that uses mmap2?
[13:41] <zyga> jdstrand: we run /bin/true
[13:41] <zyga> jdstrand: that's the old test
[13:41] <jdstrand> zyga: nothing in your paste indicates the profile is malformed
[13:41] <zyga> jdstrand: right
[13:41] <zyga> jdstrand: anyway, if you can and are interested in this puzzle, read the bug report
[13:41] <zyga> jdstrand: it has all the facts
[13:41] <jdstrand> zyga: does it have the kernel version?
[13:42] <zyga> jdstrand: kernel is the same as on my machine where the same test works
[13:42] <zyga> jdstrand: the failure occurs in qemu
[13:42] <zyga> jdstrand: running xenial adt cloud image
[13:43] <zyga> jdstrand: for context, I'm trying to re-enable those tests: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2433
[13:43] <mup> PR snapd#2433: tests: run all snap-confine tests in c-unit-tests task <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2433>
[13:56] <jdstrand> zyga: I left some questions but I need to prepare for a meeting and then work on the trusty seccomp issue after. I'll swing back around and check in on this later if I'm able to
[13:58] <zyga> jdstrand: thank you
[14:22] <zyga> jdstrand: I added the kernel log snippet, taking a break from this topic now but I suspended a VM that has the environment so I can resume ant any time
[14:32] <mup> Bug #1645605 changed: No alsa module on ubuntu core image <snapd-interface> <Snappy:New for zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645605>
[14:56] <mardy> sergiusens: hi! I completely morphed bug 1652290, now it's a bit more interesting
[14:56] <mup> Bug #1652290: Error with remote part depending on another remote part <snapcraft (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1652290>
[14:56] <mardy> sergiusens: I can work on that, if you like (and maybe have some hint for me)
[15:08] <mup> PR snapd#2560 opened: snap: fix missing sizes in `snap info <remote-snap>` <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2560>
[15:28] <sergiusens> mardy sure, work with josepht who maintains that or Trevinho who started playing with it
[15:29] <mardy> sergiusens: thanks!
[15:30] <mardy> josepht, Trevinho: do you have some last words to say, before I start banging my head into that? :-)   (bug 1652290)
[15:30] <mup> Bug #1652290: Error with remote part depending on another remote part <snapcraft (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1652290>
[15:40] <sergiusens> popey I CCed you on an email that led me to the anatine yaml
[15:41] <popey> sergiusens: thanks
[15:44] <josepht> mardy: Go for it. I'm happy to help.
[15:47] <mup> PR snapd#2561 opened: many: obtain installed snaps developer/publisher username through assertions <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2561>
[15:56] <kyrofa> davidcalle, new version should be in proposed this week
[15:56] <kyrofa> davidcalle, then some testing to do... probably in updates middle of next week
[16:06] <popey> jdstrand: is there a workaround for this http://paste.ubuntu.com/23746854/ - (apps wanting to mknod in /dev/shm/foo) ?
[16:07] <ogra_> use /dev/shm/$SNAP/foo ?
[16:07] <ogra_> (iirc thats what the security check tool tells you)
[16:10] <popey> I used the word "workaround" to mean, "not have to patch upstream"
[16:10] <davidcalle> kyrofa: thanks!
[16:10] <ogra_> :)
[16:10]  * ogra_ doubts there is one
[16:11] <popey> It's a python app.
[16:14] <jdstrand> popey: no workaround. what ogra_ said is the current situation. this is bug #1577514
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1577514: Support preloading to make snaps feel at home <snapd-interface> <Snapcraft:Triaged by sergiusens> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1577514>
[16:17] <popey> :(
[16:21] <popey> SamYaple: I note you are/were affected by the above bug. Is that still the case? Did you do anything specific to work around it?
[16:31] <sergiusens> popey snapcraft update; snapcraft define preload
[16:31] <sergiusens> jdstrand ^
[16:35] <popey> ooh
[16:40] <jdstrand> sergiusens: oh, neat! is that documented somewhere? I don't see a mention of that in the bug
[16:41] <sergiusens> jdstrand yeah, I removed snapcraft from the problem
[16:42] <sergiusens> jdstrand popey but it did solve most of someone's problem's on rocket/snapcraft
[16:56] <popey> sergiusens: so basically after: [preload] and then what? Add a preload or something to the launcher?
[16:57] <sergiusens> popey yeah `commmand: preload <whatever>`
[16:57] <popey> winner, thanks. will give that a try
[16:57] <popey> that could fix a few broken snaps I've had in the past.
[16:57] <sergiusens> popey yeah `commmand: preload desktop-launch <whatever>`
[16:57] <popey> I may have to buy you beer
[16:58] <sergiusens> no need, took me long enough to promote this as much ;-)
[16:58] <sergiusens> also, no need for the `after` at all, these can be independent
[16:58] <popey> eh?
[16:58] <sergiusens> but you might need it now that I think of it as you won't be overriding anything
[16:58] <popey> how do I tell snapcraft to use it though?
[16:59] <popey> s/use/include/
[16:59] <kyrofa> sergiusens, yeah, if you leave the plugin out you need _something_ else
[16:59] <kyrofa> sergiusens, probably a schema bug
[17:00] <sergiusens> popey this is the only way by design unless you do the override dance
[17:00] <sergiusens> popey http://blog.sergiusens.org/posts/The-Snapcraft-Parts-Ecosystem/
[17:01] <mup> PR snapd#2562 opened: cmd/snap-confine: check for rst2man on configure <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2562>
[17:02] <mup> PR snapd#2563 opened: cmd/snap-confine: small tweaks to seccomp support code <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2563>
[17:02] <mup> PR snapd#2564 opened: cmd/snap-confine: build non-installed libsnap-confine-private.a <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2564>
[17:05] <mup> PR snapd#2565 opened: store: setting of fields for details endpoint <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2565>
[17:14] <mup> PR snapd#2566 opened: tests: disable some ppc64el on yakkety and zesty too <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2566>
[17:17] <zyga> jdstrand: good call!
[17:18] <zyga> jdstrand: snap-confine itself needs more syscalls to finish working
[17:18] <zyga> jdstrand: presumably due to debug writes etc
[17:18] <zyga> jdstrand: I trully wonder why this didn't fail on my box though, I'll keep digging
[17:39] <popey> sergiusens: :( preload didn't work. still wants to write to /dev/shm/foo
[17:51] <azubieta> Hello guys! I´m making software center (https://github.com/nomad-shell/nx-software-center) to manage snaps wich uses the snapd REST api in the backend. I was reading the api specifications at the wiki but i found very little about the background process. Is there any place were I can read how to monitor such tasks? Thanks
[17:52] <kyrofa> azubieta, Chipaca is probably your guy
[17:53] <kyrofa> azubieta, attente might also be able to help (or point you in the right direction) from our software center point of view
[17:53] <zyga> azubieta: hey
[17:53] <azubieta> hello
[17:53] <zyga> azubieta: we had an event api but it was removed as it was not finished
[17:53] <zyga> azubieta: what do you need exactly?
[17:54] <azubieta> zyga: monitor the install, remove, update tasks
[17:55] <Chipaca> azubieta, I'm your guy, but I'm in a meeting and then I'm out of here
[17:55] <attente> azubieta: you might also want to look at https://launchpad.net/snapd-glib that robert_ancell maintains
[17:55] <Chipaca> azubieta<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(or tomorrow, same place, a little earlier)
[17:55] <zyga> azubieta: you can do what snap CLI does
[17:55] <zyga> azubieta: issue the operation
[17:55] <zyga> azubieta: this gives you change ID
[17:55] <zyga> azubieta: then query snapd about that change
[17:55] <azubieta> Chipaca: thanks!
[17:56] <azubieta> zyga: I saw the change id but I was unable to find the path where should I make the query
[17:57] <zyga> azubieta: look at snap changes
[17:57] <Chipaca> azubieta, if you want to "poke" at the api, i'd recommend `snap install http` and then e.g. `http snapd:///v2/changes`
[17:57] <zyga> azubieta: it's not documented on the wiki
[17:58] <zyga> azubieta: but look at /v2/changes/{id}
[17:58] <zyga> azubieta: or at /v2/changes/
[17:58] <zyga> azubieta: you can control changes as well (abort)
[17:58] <azubieta> zyga: thanks!
[17:58] <azubieta> zyga: that´s what I was loking for
[18:00] <azubieta> Chipaca: right now i´m making the http requests by hand and sending then throud the /run/snapd.socket
[18:02] <Chipaca> azubieta, yeah, http is just convenient (it does the same)
[18:02] <Chipaca> it's httpie + unix socket support + magic for snapd:/// urls
[18:03] <azubieta> Chipaca: sounds good, does it has a c/c++ api ?
[18:03] <azubieta> by the way, is there any other software center for snaps ?
[18:05] <zyga> azubieta: gnome-software
[18:06] <Chipaca> azubieta, there's glib-snapd i think?
[18:06] <Chipaca> libsnapd-glib-dev etc
[18:06] <mup> PR snapd#2567 opened: debian: skip snap-confine unit tests on nocheck <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2567>
[18:07] <azubieta> Chipaca: would you recomend using snapd-glib instead talking directly to the REST API ?
[18:08] <Chipaca> azubieta, I'm probably the wrong person to ask :-) I think if your focus is the software centre, then working with snapd-glib will let you ignore the vagaries of the rest api
[18:09] <Chipaca> azubieta, me personally i like poking at the rest api directly
[18:09] <Chipaca> :-D
[18:09] <azubieta> Chipaca: jeje, i´ll take your advice
[18:10] <Chipaca> azubieta, either way, do shout if you find things that don't work as you'd expect
[18:11] <azubieta> Chipaca: i´m reading a post about snapd-glib they say that they will make a qt/qml port so if it is finished it would be mucho more easier for me
[18:11] <azubieta> Chipaca: i will
[18:12] <azubieta> Chipaca: thanks again
[18:12] <Chipaca> azubieta, the snapd-glib author is in NZ timezone afaik
[18:12] <Chipaca> anyway, i've got to run
[18:18] <vigo> ogra_, confirmed
[18:18] <vigo> I just created an image from edge and config.txt is updated
[18:39] <ogra_> vigo, i would be shocked if it wasnt :)
[18:56] <sabdfl> elopio, elmo and me
[19:07] <matteo> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23747897/
[19:07] <matteo> is there something wrong with this control interface?
[19:12] <mup> Bug #1636931 changed: Configure hook not running <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636931>
[19:18] <mup> Bug #1654362 opened: updating pi3 snap does not update config file <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654362>
[19:21] <lazyPower> elopio  - heyo, looking @ the etcd snap as a possible drop in for the etcd v3 migration. Is what's in the snappy-playpen the latest work on this snap?
[19:34] <mup> Bug #1587448 changed: Can't reboot device from snap <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1587448>
[19:34] <mup> Bug #1590679 changed: Apps can't own session bus names (unity7 interface) <snap-desktop-issue> <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released by jdstrand> <snapd (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590679>
[19:34] <mup> Bug #1612871 changed: Permission denied to exec /bin/stty <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released by jdstrand> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1612871>
[19:37] <mup> Bug # changed: 1613686, 1614269, 1615124, 1615262
[19:40] <mup> Bug # changed: 1620442, 1624533, 1624675, 1627813, 1639988
[19:43] <mup> Bug #1644810 changed: snapd system-observe interface is missing rules to allow memory usage analysis <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644810>
[19:46] <mup> Bug #1596515 changed: IIO access and configuration from a snap <apparmor> <iio> <snapd> <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1596515>
[19:46] <mup> Bug #1639967 changed: Add support to access to some Avahi methods from org.freedesktop.Avahi <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released by jdstrand> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639967>
[19:46] <mup> Bug #1641869 changed: openvswitch-support interface <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released by james-page> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641869>
[19:47] <Croepha> so, not sure what happened, I have used --try many times before with no trouble, but after a reboot I am getthing this error when trying to use something inside of a --try snap :  cannot snap-exec: cannot read info for "my-snap": stat /var/lib/snapd/snaps/my-snap_x1.snap: no such file or directory
[19:47] <Croepha> that file totally exists
[19:47] <Croepha> its a simlink to the prime dir
[19:49] <mup> Bug #1598266 changed: Cannot read/write to usb device [libusb][hidapi] <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598266>
[19:55] <mup> Bug #1577897 changed: auto-connection should cover snaps other than OS snap <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1577897>
[20:01] <mup> Bug #1591839 changed: Can't read/write to USB devices <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591839>
[20:04] <mup> Bug #1611819 changed: implement a way for daemons to play audio <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1611819>
[20:06] <kyrofa> davidcalle, it seems I lied: with the sprint next week, we're delaying release by one week
[20:07] <davidcalle> kyrofa: ok :)
[20:07] <kyrofa> davidcalle, were you looking for a specific feature, or just generally curious?
[20:09] <davidcalle> kyrofa: generally planning, although I could use being walked through scriptlets, I've only seen one example so far
[20:10] <kyrofa> davidcalle, yeah we could use some real docs for that. Happy to help you there (though note those were released in 2.24)
[20:13] <mup> Bug #1645410 changed: interface required: openvswitch <snapd-interface> <snap-nova-hypervisor:New> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645410>
[20:13] <davidcalle> kyrofa: thanks
[20:16] <mup> Bug #1613775 changed: cannot access /mnt/storage even through symlinks from $HOME <snap-desktop-issue> <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1613775>
[20:25] <mup> Bug #1618004 changed: Need a classic-bin interface to see classic binaries <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1618004>
[20:30] <Croepha> any ideas on how to make sense of this: cannot snap-exec: cannot read info for "my-snap": stat /var/lib/snapd/snaps/my-snap_x1.snap: no such file or directory ?
[20:31] <mup> Bug #1617314 changed: Services can only run as root <snapd-interface> <Snapcraft:Invalid> <Snappy:Triaged by jdstrand> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1617314>
[20:44] <kyrofa> Croepha, you're `snap try`ing, I assume?
[20:45] <Croepha> kyrofa: yes, try --devmode
[20:45] <kyrofa> Croepha, and does /var/lib/snapd/snaps/my-snap_x1.snap exist? It should be a symlink
[20:45] <Croepha> yes, and it is
[20:46] <kyrofa> Croepha, pointing to a valid location?
[20:46] <kyrofa> (a prime directory)
[20:47] <zyga> jdstrand: quick question about old snap-confine unit tests, do I remember correctly that they were only going to pass on amd64?
[20:47] <zyga> jdstrand: I'm seeing a list of errors on i386
[20:47] <zyga> jdstrand: (details are burried under links from https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2433)
[20:47] <mup> PR snapd#2433: tests: run all snap-confine tests in c-unit-tests task <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2433>
[20:48] <Croepha> kyrofa: yes: /var/lib/snapd/snaps/my-snap_x1.snap/*.wrapper returns several results
[20:48] <Croepha> meant to say that I `ls`d that and got several results
[20:49] <Croepha> my only guess is that snap is running in some other file system context (name space or chroot) where it can't stat that path?
[20:50] <kyrofa> Croepha, any chance you have an encrypted home?
[20:54] <Croepha> kyrofa, no, but I am running in Vmware, and use a mapped home directory, but not sure how that would be affected, it lives in /mnt/hgfs/
[20:54] <jdstrand> zyga: they should work. I just tried them locally with snapd 2.20 on trusty
[20:55] <kyrofa> Croepha, ah indeed, that's probably the issue. zyga may know more
[20:55] <zyga> jdstrand: on i386?
[20:55] <jdstrand> yes
[20:55] <Croepha> kyrofa my prime doesn't live in my home or in that hgfs
[20:55] <zyga> Croepha: hey
[20:55] <zyga> Croepha: try snap run --shell yournsap
[20:55] <zyga> Croepha: snaps do run in a different context
[20:56] <jdstrand> zyga: I'm trying to fix the amd64 snapd/snap-confine testsuite failure and ran the tests on i386 to make sure I didn't break anything (I didn't)
[20:56] <zyga> Croepha: that will give you a (confined) shell in the same context as a given snap/app
[20:56] <zyga> jdstrand: it seems to work on my real box
[20:56] <zyga> jdstrand: but never works in spread (neither qemu nor linode)
[20:56] <zyga> jdstrand: gustavo suggested that it might be caused by those things running as root but I didn't investigate yet
[20:56] <Croepha> zyga run --shell gives the same error
[20:57] <zyga> jdstrand: I'd love if you could drop patches to unbreak https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2433/files (tip: you can git push to my branch directly!)
[20:57] <mup> PR snapd#2433: tests: run all snap-confine tests in c-unit-tests task <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2433>
[20:57] <zyga> Croepha: can you givem e more context?
[20:57] <Croepha> zyga: this is the error: cannot snap-exec: cannot read info for "tanager-flock": stat /var/lib/snapd/snaps/my-snap_x1.snap: no such file or directory
[20:58] <zyga> jdstrand: maybe spread is breaking something, I see 7 failures on i386 and (finally) 0 failures on amd64
[20:58] <Croepha> zyga: that path does exist and is valid, it is a symlink to a prime dir
[20:58] <zyga> Croepha: is that file around in "real space"?
[20:59] <zyga> Croepha: did you create that symlink?
[21:00] <zyga> jdstrand: can you tell me how are you running tests?
[21:00] <jdstrand> zyga: I'll talk to ratliff on how to prioritize the i386 test failures in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2433
[21:00] <mup> PR snapd#2433: tests: run all snap-confine tests in c-unit-tests task <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2433>
[21:00] <jdstrand> zyga: I did debian/rules build
[21:00] <jdstrand> zyga: I would also do: make -C cmd check
[21:01] <jdstrand> zyga: I can't get to those tests today. still working on trusty/libseccomp
[21:01] <zyga> jdstrand: did you try spread?
[21:01] <zyga> jdstrand: that's ok
[21:01] <zyga> jdstrand: thanks!
[21:01] <jdstrand> zyga: no. you said unit tests. is it the unit tests or the spread tests?
[21:01] <zyga> jdstrand: spread runs them
[21:02] <zyga> jdstrand: we don't run unit tests when building the package in spread
[21:02] <zyga> jdstrand: so I wanted to run them as a task
[21:02] <jdstrand> well, I'd have to look at what is happening. I didn't run in spread as I was debugging a testsuite failure from the build
[21:02] <Croepha> zyga: not sure what is meant by "real space", but  I see that in the context where I login via ssh.... I did not create that symlink, I used  snap try --devmode and it made the symlink
[21:02] <zyga> jdstrand: all regular unit tests run but the older tests that exercise seccomp don't pass
[21:02] <zyga> Croepha: I see
[21:02]  * jdstrand is curious why you don't run the unit tests during the build in spread
[21:03] <zyga> Croepha: can you tell me where the source directory was located?
[21:03] <zyga> Croepha: we don't run them at package build time (in spread) because it takes extra time (snapd build) and we run the separately along with other spread tasks
[21:03] <zyga> er
[21:03] <zyga> jdstrand: ^ that was for you
[21:04] <zyga> jdstrand: I fixed a few issues but it's still broken, I need to make the debug output better
[21:04] <zyga> jdstrand: (that tail of kern log for instance)
[21:05] <zyga> jdstrand: in any case, you answered my earlier question, thanks
[21:05] <zyga> jdstrand: I'll keep digging
[21:07] <jdstrand> zyga: I noticed we have a lot of 'dmesg | tail -1' in the seccomp tests. that should be 'dmesg | grep 'audit=1326' | tail -1'
[21:07] <zyga> 1326?
[21:13] <Croepha> zyga: this is the prime dir: /mnt/2/flock21_build/prime  if that is what you are asking  and this is the related findmnt line: ├─/mnt/2                              /dev/sda3                       ext4                rw,relatime,data=ordered
[21:20] <jdstrand> zyga: ok, I've got the trusty/seccomp thing, then several customer items for snappy then can circle back around to this. it won't be today. it will hopefully be tomorrow, it may be monday
[21:23] <zyga> Croepha: does it work if you don't snap try but rather build a regular snap?
[21:23] <zyga> Croepha: that symlink is, I believe, what is causing the problem
[21:27] <Croepha> zyga: a regular snap install works as expected
[21:29] <jdstrand> zyga: 1326 is the code for seccomp
[21:29] <Croepha> zyga: I agree, im just not sure how to remedy it, before kyrofa got back to me, I was thinking of just doing a fresh install of ubuntu and starting over....  it was working fine for a long time, but it just stopped working
[21:30] <jdstrand> zyga: and I of course meant this: dmesg|grep 'type=1326'|tail -1
[21:31] <jdstrand> eg:
[21:31] <jdstrand> $ dmesg|grep 'type=1326'|tail -1
[21:31] <jdstrand> [ 9653.865938] audit: type=1326 audit(1483637031.980:825): auid=4294967295 uid=1000 gid=1000 ses=4294967295 pid=24498 comm="snap-confine" exe="/home/ubuntu/sbuild/snapd/trusty/snapd-2.20.1~14.04/cmd/snap-confine/snap-confine" sig=31 arch=40000003 syscall=201 compat=1 ip=0x55609c89 code=0x0
[21:46] <grapestomper_1> does anyone know how to change the default console output from ttyS0 to ttyUSB0
[21:46] <grapestomper_1> snappy series 16 (core 16?)
[21:47] <grapestomper_1> in 15.04 I could change the grub.d file - not an option now
[21:48] <Croepha> grapestomper_1, do you really need a kernel console or will a login console work fine?
[21:49] <Croepha> because you can add a tty service to run on that usb device if you want
[21:49] <grapestomper_1> hmmm dont know - I want to be able to watch the boot process. Is that kernel?
[21:49] <Croepha> yeah, thats kernel
[21:50] <grapestomper_1> is kernel tty set at snap cration?
[21:50] <grapestomper_1> creation
[21:50] <Croepha> well, i don't know how to do it, but I think you will need to make your own gadget or kernel snap
[21:52] <Croepha> there might be an easier way, i don't know of it though, sorry
[21:52] <grapestomper_1> np - thanks
[22:06] <kgunn> hey is there a clever way a snap can determine if the console config has been run?
[22:06] <kgunn> working with a mir-kiosk image, but the server is currently launching before i can run through the config to get wifi etc
[22:09] <kgunn> kyrofa: ^ know of anything?
[22:09] <kyrofa> kgunn, does it die if it runs before then?
[22:09] <kgunn> kyrofa: no, mirkiosk happily runs...but takes over the screen
[22:10] <kyrofa> Ah of course, so console conf can't be run, how fun!
[22:10] <kgunn> so we're thinking to add some logic in the launcher file to check if console has run or not
[22:10] <kyrofa> kgunn, hmm, you could do hacky things like see if you have an IP address, but there must be a better way
[22:11] <kyrofa> mwhudson, do you have any ideas? You're involved with that, no?
[22:11] <kyrofa> Oh darn, he's gone
[22:12] <kgunn> yeah, i would think this might be a common theme....people wanting to add snaps to their own image, but wanting console conf to run prior to daemon launching
[22:14] <kyrofa> Taking a quick peek at the src
[22:15] <kyrofa> I bet if there is something though, it won't be accessible to snaps
[22:18] <kyrofa> kgunn, I kinda feel like no services should run until console-conf has run
[22:20] <kyrofa> kgunn, yeah, /var/lib/console-conf/complete
[22:21] <kyrofa> kgunn, nothing you can reach from a confined snap
[22:22] <kyrofa> kgunn, I suggest discussing it with niemeyer and mwhudson
[22:22] <alvarolb> Hi all!! I am trying to upload a snap package to the ubuntu store, but I always get the error: Unexpected output from click-review. click-review
[22:23] <alvarolb> If i execute the click-review manually, I get a RUNTIME_ERROR, but no any other hint
[22:24] <alvarolb> the verbose show some checks that are all passed OK
[22:24] <alvarolb> anyone with the same issue? I am using snapcraft for building the package for amd64
[22:24] <kyrofa> cyphermox, are you familiar with console-conf?
[22:25] <kyrofa> cyphermox, do you know if there's a way to tell if it's been run from within a confined snap?
[22:28] <kgunn> kyrofa: thanks... yep, can bring up tomorrow
[22:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#1007 closed: lifecycle: clean without parsing if possible <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1007>
[22:30] <kyrofa> kgunn, curious to hear the answer myself
[22:43] <Croepha> zyga: So i got /usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine to run for me, and the symlink is definitely broken in the confined environnment
[22:44] <Croepha> so /mnt/ is empty in the confined environment
[22:47] <Croepha> zyga: So bind mounting /mnt/2 under my home directory and running it there fixed my issue
[22:48] <Croepha> fyi
[22:58] <Croepha> I still have no clue as to why it worked before but not now
[23:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#1026 closed: Add support for hooks <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1026>
[23:26] <mwhudson> kyrofa: if kgunn comes back the answer is really $(snap managed)
[23:27] <kyrofa> mwhudson, ah, good to know. But that can't be run from within a snap-- do you know if that command has been added to snapctl?
[23:27] <mwhudson> ah good point
[23:27] <mwhudson> i do not know, and suspect not
[23:27] <kyrofa> I suspect the same
[23:27]  * mwhudson points at niemeyer
[23:28]  * niemeyer listens (and reads)
[23:29] <niemeyer> No, managed isn't yet available on snapctl, but seems sensible and trivial to add
[23:32] <kyrofa> niemeyer, though do you think it makes sense to not fire up snap services until console conf has completed?
[23:33] <niemeyer> @kyrofa: No, that'd render the device broken until managed
[23:33] <nothal> niemeyer: No such command!
[23:34] <kyrofa> niemeyer, though it doesn't even have network at that point, does it?
[23:35] <niemeyer> kyrofa: I don't need network to run my fridge, tv, projector, etc
[23:35] <kyrofa> Ah fair enough
[23:38] <mcphail> kyrofa: if the nextcloud snap was to upgrade to version 11, would an already-running server upgrade gracefully? Would it be necessary to stop and restart?
[23:39] <kyrofa> mcphail, an already running server meaning a current nextcloud snap install?
[23:39] <mcphail> kyrofa: yes
[23:39] <kyrofa> mcphail, yeah, when the upgrade it pulled down it'll stop the server momentarily
[23:40] <kyrofa> mcphail, snapd does it as part of the upgrade process. Stop old services, mount new snap, start new services
[23:40] <mcphail> kyrofa: very cool. Thanks!
[23:40] <kyrofa> mcphail, no problem. Since you asked, FYI v11 should be released as soon as I fix this https bug
[23:41] <mcphail> kyrofa: no rush. Just trying the snap on a vps to see if it is a viable alternative to a manual install. Sounds as if you have cracked it :)
[23:42] <mcphail> Your hard work is much appreciated
[23:42] <kyrofa> mcphail, it's not perfect! But we're getting there. And thank you!
[23:44] <mcphail> Just one more question - does the snap make the Let's Encrypt certs automatically renew?
[23:48] <kyrofa> mcphail, yes
[23:48] <mcphail> kyrofa: perfect! Cheers
[23:55] <kyrofa> davidcalle, are you still around?
[23:56] <davidcalle> kyrofa: I am
[23:58] <kyrofa> davidcalle, I had to put out a fire, but if you've got a few minutes I'd love to show you around the scriptlet stuff


[21:34] <Islam> I got that error while chechking for updates, W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/brianmercer/php/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found, does any body know how to fix it ?
[21:35] <FerchoLP> maybe there's no packages for oneiric and that's why you get that error
[21:35] <setmeaway> how to disable gui boot in ubuntu 11.10? just editing /etc/defaults/grub doesn't work
[21:35] <hearnoseeno> http://rookery9.aviary.com.s3.amazonaws.com/10580000/10580420_eff6_625x625.jpg
[21:35] <Guiri> I find it strange that System Monitor only reports about 500MB of usage.  Shouldn't Ubuntu be caching the rest of my 4GB of RAM?
[21:35] <setmeaway> i also ran update-grub. but it didn't work.
[21:36] <dougl> my 10.10 install keeps loging me out when left for long periods - this is undesireable any suggestions?
[21:36] <FerchoLP> Islam: there's no package for oneiric. There is only for lucid
[21:36] <madoo> hi
[21:36] <madoo> i need hellp plz
[21:36] <FerchoLP> I guess you could force lucid on the sources.lst
[21:37] <madoo> hello
[21:37] <madoo> eny one can hellp plz
[21:37] <Islam> FerchoLP: it says the package info was last updated 12 days ago, even if I install updates, when I check for updates it gives me that error
[21:37] <s0nee_> !ask | madoo
[21:37] <Islam> FerchoLP: then what should I do ?
[21:38] <scribus12> Is there a way to disable abality to select different session on startup? I want it to always be xubuntu.
[21:38] <madoo> i was have ubuntu 10.10 but i change from term to xubuntu  but after restart i get nothing change
[21:38] <madoo> can you hellp me for thats
[21:38] <escott> Guiri, have you checked "free" most likely the system monitor is not reporting the cached ram
[21:38] <_spt_> True3fate : enable Audio  - settings> Audio
[21:39] <Guiri> escott: Ah, excellent little program
[21:39] <Guiri> thx
[21:40] <benedetto> hi all
[21:40] <benedetto> !list
[21:41] <superkuh> Is it possible to use one ATI (pcie) card to drive two monitors and one nvidia (pci) card at the same time for another multiple monitor?
[21:41] <madoo> can eny one hellp me
[21:41] <p1ruj3> anyone running Ubuntu server 10.04 or 11.10 ?
[21:41] <madoo> hello
[21:42] <iceroot> !anyone | p1ruj3
[21:42] <p1ruj3> Can you paste me the output of lsb_release -a
[21:42] <_joey> how do I configure 'launchpad' in new Ubuntu? I want to have it on the left. I couldn't find anything in System Settings
[21:42] <madoo> i need hellp please
[21:42] <iceroot> !ask | madoo
[21:42] <p1ruj3> Thanks iceroot
[21:43] <madoo> i am change ubuntu to xubuntu but nothing is change
[21:43] <madoo> can you tell me why
[21:43] <iceroot> madoo: how do you change? sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[21:43] <s0nee_> madoo: how do you change ? install xfce ?
[21:43] <iceroot> madoo: at the login-manager you can choose the session, ubuntu, xubuntu and so on
[21:44] <benedetto> hi all
[21:44] <madoo> yes i did sudo apt-
[21:44] <p1ruj3> If You are running "Ubuntu Server" then can you please pastebin the outcome of running this command: lsb_release -a ?  If you are not familiar with what this command does it will display the version details of your ubuntu installation.
[21:44] <s0nee_> madoo: to be more specific click on the gear icon when you log in to choose session
[21:44] <freek> hi, can anybody tell me how to reset gnome 3 configuration? which directories or files do i have to delete?
[21:44] <benedetto> !list
[21:45] <madoo> its have no icon
[21:45] <s0nee_> freek: dpkg-reconfigure may help ?
[21:45] <madoo> is just user neame and password
[21:45] <iceroot> freek: gnome3 oder unity?
[21:45] <iceroot> freek: or
[21:45] <s0nee_> madoo: look for the gear icon
 i did a reinstall, so the package gets configured again
[21:46] <madoo> no icon
[21:46] <freek> iceroot: gnome3
[21:46] <madoo> tell me haw i can see
[21:46] <s0nee_> freek: no, reinstalling does not reconfigure i believe
[21:47] <madoo> and what the   xfce
[21:47] <s0nee_> madoo: what version are you using ? 11.04 ?
[21:47] <madoo> no its 10.10
[21:47] <madoo> ubuntu 10.10
[21:48] <s0nee_> madoo: then enter username first, then choose session at the bottom, then password
[21:48] <madoo> do you mean i go to restart agin
[21:49] <s0nee_> madoo: yes log out and log in again
[21:49] <Javafant> hi
[21:49] <ghabit> Hello. I have deleted empathy and installed pidgin. No integration now? also status buttons at top-right corner returns error while I'm trying to press 'online'
[21:49] <madoo> i will right naw thankiss
[21:49] <s0nee_> freek: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-shell" helps at all ?
[21:49] <freek> s0nee_: ok i'll try that.. currently i use the previous release, because i didn't want to use unity and i messed up gnome3
[21:51] <freek> s0nee_: i'll upgrade again.. hope i don't need my root-backup the 3rd time :)
[21:51] <Javafant> How can I start Ubuntu 11.10 without window manager?
[21:51] <s0nee_> freek: no, log out then choose different session. you dont have to upgrade
[21:51] <p1ruj3> If You are running "Ubuntu Server" then can you please pastebin me the outcome of running this command: lsb_release -a ?  If you are not familiar with what this command does it will display the version details of your ubuntu installation.
[21:52] <s0nee_> Javafant: are you trying to use different window manager ?
[21:52] <pp7> Javafant: sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[21:52] <Javafant> s0nee: I want to use this computer to display some news on a big tv
[21:53] <Glycan> I can not get PyGTK
[21:53] <Javafant> i dont need any window manager at all
[21:53] <Javafant> pp7 i'll try this will x11 still run?
[21:53] <pp7> Javafant: probably not
[21:54] <pp7> Javafant: what is the entirety of what you're trying to do
[21:54] <pp7> Javafant: doesn't seem to make sense so far
[21:54] <freek> s0nee_: i can't install gnome3 session in 11.04, software-manager keeps teeling me "gnome3 shell shouldn't be installed"
[21:54] <s0nee_> Javafant: try "metacity --replace" and "pkill metacity" ?
[21:54] <alexGlasgow> how to change Ubuntu 11 to classical theme?
[21:55] <s0nee_> freek: unity in 11.04 conflits with gnome shell, so install gnome3 on 11.10
[21:55] <roberto> hello can you help my
[21:55] <roberto> selbst wenn cih das Passwd falsch eingeben kommt die meldung er kommt garnicht zum passwd check
[21:55] <roberto> http://www.freeimagehosting.net/873d3
[21:55] <freek> s0nee_: i'll make a new backup and upgrade.. thank you :)
[21:55] <s0nee_> freek: ok lol
[21:55] <Javafant> I have some big displays which should show a calendar and later on a new ticker
[21:56] <pp7> Javafant: and y cant u do that with a standard install?
[21:56] <Javafant> i think it's not possible to run multiple programms without window decoration
[21:57] <pp7> Javafant: erm, so u dont want decorations?
[21:57] <pp7> Javafant: its really better if u explain FULLY what the problem is so people can help
[21:59] <Javafant> i want something like firefox in fullscreen and later i want to add a news ticker (separate programm) at the bottom. sry for not explaining my problem fully
[21:59] <pp7> Javafant: u mean without window borders?
[22:00] <Javafant> yes
[22:00] <pp7> Javafant: i think in compiz u can choose which windows to decorate and which not to
[22:01] <pp7> Javafant: and there's also some window position/rules plugin
[22:01] <ghabit> Hello. I have deleted empathy and installed pidgin. No integration now? also status buttons at top-right corner returns error while I'm trying to press 'online'
[22:01] <filo1234> Javafant: how you can run a separate program if you have firefox in full screen?
[22:01] <Javafant> That's the problem it should not be a real fullscreen. Just without borders and then hide the toolbars which isn't difficult
[22:02] <neglogic> anyone doing Rubyon
[22:02] <proudy3> hello :)
[22:02] <filo1234> Javafant: so if you a based sistem with only x firefox and some program, betetr way is to install a minimal installation, after you can install X and firefox
[22:02] <pp7> Javafant: in compiz u can tell it not to decorate firefox
[22:02] <proudy3> anyone can help me with a graphic issue in Minecraft?
[22:02] <neglogic> anyone doing rubyonrails dev from behind proxy
[22:03] <pp7> Javafant: then there's a place windows plugin in compiz
[22:03] <pp7> Javafant: so u can position windows where u want
[22:03] <filo1234> Javafant: and use .xinitrc for display your program
[22:04] <filo1234> Javafant: you can run firefox like kiosc mode
[22:04] <Javafant> pp7: thx I'll try your solution tomorrow, filo1234: i'm not familar with minimal installations so i prefere to use a standard installation
[22:04] <pp7> i think compiz plugins are the easiest solution
[22:04] <filo1234> Javafant: ok
[22:05] <bsmith093> whats the gedit replace command to remove any instance of 3 blank lines and replace with one blank line
[22:06] <pp7> ctr+h?
[22:06] <mod> I've got an "Intel HD 3000" integrated card, and many games seem to thing the card is a lesser device (like on the level of the i945)
[22:07] <mod> i've installed the edgers drivers/server
[22:07] <mod> any idea what I could do, are there better drivers for ubuntu that what can be had in the edgers ppa?
[22:09] <FireBeard> wow, this channel exploded :o
[22:09] <mod> ah ha....  'lshw -C video' out puts 'configuration: dirver i915' :p
[22:09] <mod> that sucks
[22:11] <lordbah> Ubuntu 11.10 64-bit, Chrome, have 'Keep in launcher' checked and launch it from there. But there is no arrow on the left of the launch icon; minimizing the Chrome window makes it vanish and alt-tab can't see it; clicking the launcher icon launches another instance; i.e I can't get that window back. The process is still running. I'm sure this has been seen before but my Google skills aren't finding it - a pointer will be welcome. Ho
[22:11] <lordbah> w can I fix this?
[22:12] <rhizmoe> what are some decent games for unity2d?
[22:12] <FireBeard> any Lucid users here, who saw there window buttons switched back to the right?
[22:12] <FireBeard> they're definately back to the right again?
[22:13] <maxtmahem> Hey is their a package for ubuntu netbook remix?
[22:13] <FireBeard> s/there/teir
[22:13] <FireBeard> *their
[22:13] <FireBeard> I can't spell tonight
[22:13] <BarkingFish> yes you can.
[22:13] <BarkingFish> You just did :)
[22:13] <FireBeard> true
[22:13] <FireBeard> any answers?
[22:14] <FireBeard> I'm running Lucid
[22:14] <kenperkins> is there a way to install adobe-flashplugin on server
[22:14] <pp7> kenperkins: why?
[22:14] <Dougie187> ok, new question. How do you get binutils and binutils:i386 installed at the same time?
[22:15] <kenperkins> pp7: part of rendering a webpage to an image
[22:15] <pp7> kenperkins: hmm
[22:15] <FireBeard> hey Dougie187, get in line buddy, I'm first !
[22:15] <FireBeard> ;)
[22:15] <Dougie187> lol
[22:15] <Dougie187> What's your question?
[22:16] <FireBeard> I'm running Lucid, and all the sudden the window buttons are back to rhe right...?!
[22:16] <FireBeard> I'm confused
[22:16] <FireBeard> they SO wanted the window buttons to be on the left
[22:16] <kenperkins> we're using xvfb, webkit2png, python-qt4, libqt4-webkit and it all works peachy (on the server)
[22:16] <kenperkins> and if we do it on the desktop with adobe-flashplugin, that works too
[22:16] <FireBeard> now, on the left, I have a dot [with the same [and more] options]
[22:16] <FireBeard> :?
[22:17] <kenperkins> but I can't find a package src for adobe-flashplugin on the server, and don't even know if it'll work
[22:17] <Dougie187> FireBeard: You can change them in gconf-editor
[22:17] <FireBeard> I know
[22:17] <Dougie187> I don't know why they would be changing though
[22:17] <FireBeard> I'm just wondering if they went back from left to right
[22:17] <FireBeard> [after going from right to left]
[22:18] <Dougie187> I don't remember when they switched from right to left to begin with
[22:18] <Um_cara_qualquer> Hi, I just installed ubuntu 11.10 and I don't know how to install jdownloader here =/ does anybody knows how?
[22:18] <Czessi> Hi, I will change the bluetooth name under Ubuntu 11.10 to remove the -0. Can someone help me please?
[22:19] <FireBeard> Dougie187: with Lucid I believe
[22:19] <Dougie187> Maybe a gtk plugin or something moved them around?
[22:20] <leeping> Hi there - in Natty I was able to resize my fonts and choose from many themes using gdm.  Now it seems like I have less choices - either that or I can't find the appropriate menus.  Can someone tell me where to download more themes (Clearlooks, etc)?  I'm mainly looking for one that doesn't waste so much space with large menubars and rounded corners.
[22:21] <janak> hi
[22:21] <FireBeard> this channel is completely useless due to the amount of users, I'm out
[22:22] <pp7> leeping: install elementary theme.  should be on gnome-look.org
[22:22] <leeping> pp7, thank you.
[22:22] <pp7> FireBeard: dont come back if you're gonna have that attitude
[22:23] <wannabe> Hi there
[22:23] <proudy3> anyone can help me with a graphic issue in Minecraft?
[22:23] <TheEvilPhoenix> proudy3:  what kind of issue
[22:23] <proudy3> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/bildschirmfotoam2011102.png/
[22:23] <proudy3> this one. very annoying
[22:24] <Reaper> nice
[22:24] <proudy3> tried several things like replacing the lwjgl files in minecraft, turning on advanced openGL ingame
[22:24] <proudy3> < ubuntu 11.10, i3-2310, intelHD3000 :)
[22:25] <s0nee_> proudy3: does it have that issue on windows ?
[22:25] <proudy3> nope :P
[22:25] <leeping> pp7, having a bit of trouble browsing this site.  I found eGDM, is that what you're referring to?
[22:25] <lordbah> Whoa, super-w sees a lot more windows than alt-tab does.
[22:25] <proudy3> im running windows 7 also on my HDD, but its working without these problems
[22:25] <leeping> and what category should i be searching under?
[22:26] <proudy3> some1 posted in a forum that I should deactive anti aliasing, but not sure how
[22:26] <D618> #mibbit
[22:26] <pp7> leeping: ok get it from here: http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/elementary-gtk-theme-83104033
[22:26] <s0nee_> proudy3: i heard that minecraft uses opengl so you may want to tweak it
[22:27] <leeping> pp7, it says "does not support gtk3".  Does that mean I should use the gnome-classic desktop with this?
[22:27] <proudy3> okay, sure. im new to ubuntu, like 2-3 days. could you tell me how or give me a link?
[22:27] <leeping> (I really don't mind, I would prefer it to be honest.)
[22:27] <pp7> leeping: seems to work well for me on my standard 11.10 install with unitu
[22:28] <pp7> unity*
[22:28] <pp7> leeping: wait, i think there's a gtk3 version somewhere
[22:28] <p3rsist> Hi guys. Im on ATI card, and I just instelled Ubuntu 11.10. I tried to set dual sreen without mirroring but I get this error. Anyone had this: required virtual size does not fit available size: requested=(3840, 1080), minimum=(320, 200), maximum=(3280, 1200) ?
[22:28] <pp7> leeping: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/radiamentary-is-beautiful-gtk2gtk3.html
[22:28] <s0nee> proudy3: are you running proprietary graphic driver or open ?
[22:29] <proudy3> open. there arent any pro. graphic driver in my list. intelHD3000 driver should be already in ubuntu
[22:29] <leeping> pp7, is this the same as this? http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Radiamentary?content=144806
[22:30] <pp7> leeping: yea i think so
[22:30] <s0nee> proudy3: then google how to configure opengl or change graphic settings. i can only help you with that
[22:30] <leeping> pp7, okay, now how do I install this :) I imagine I just need to copy the files somewhere.
[22:31] <pp7> leeping: download and extract to /usr/share/themes/
[22:31] <leeping> pp7, thanks! :D
[22:31] <proudy3> i already have compizconfig installed. to bad there is nothing for intel GPUs
[22:32] <proudy3> what exactly I need to configure? how 2 turn off AA?
[22:32] <leeping> I'm starting to like unity although I was "forced" to upgrade to oneiric.  The fat icons on the left are quite nice :)
[22:32] <s0nee> proudy3: idk. go on the forums
[22:32] <leeping> before that, natty had something almost identical to what I used in Lucid, Hardy, Dapper etc ..
[22:32] <pp7> leeping: yea i didnt like it before but once i customized it and added my icons i love it
[22:33] <leeping> pp7, yeah, I also like how the xchat icon shakes to notify :)
[22:33] <pp7> oh yea
[22:33] <leeping> Now I'm noticing that even though there are many themes in /usr/share/themes, I can only select five from the theme selector.
[22:33] <leeping> There is only Ambiance, Adwaita, Radiance, HighContrast, HighContrastInverse
[22:33] <leeping> Is there a theme path environment variable?
[22:34] <p3rsist> Anyone has set tup dual screen in ubuntu 11.10 without mirroring?
[22:34] <Dougie187> yes
[22:34] <Dougie187> only using nvidia's stuff though
[22:34] <leeping> Oh, wait, I understand now
[22:34] <pp7> leeping: hmm it should work if u install it there
[22:34] <leeping> I probably just need to restart
[22:34] <leeping> The other themes don't have a unity subdirectory
[22:34] <leeping> i'll be right back
[22:35] <pp7> leeping: oh wait are u using the built in appearance tool or gnome-tweak-tool?
[22:35] <p1ruj3> If You are running "Ubuntu Server" then can you please pastebin me the outcome of running this command: lsb_release -a ?  If you are not familiar with what this command does it will display the version details of your ubuntu installation.
[22:35] <pp7> leeping: i had to install gnome-tweak tool for it to work
[22:36] <p1ruj3> cat /etc/lsb-release would help as well
[22:36] <Dougie187> p3rsist: I have, but only using nvidia's configuration tools.
[22:37] <p3rsist> Dougie187, how can I go back to default drivers, not ATI drivers? Just deactivate restricted driver?
[22:37] <Dougie187> I would assume so.
[22:37] <sonyX> atrai rulez!
[22:37] <escott> p3rsist, uninstall them and install radeonhd
[22:38] <s0nee> p3rsist: open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look under the "device" section. there is a option called "driver" there
[22:38] <bagels> I have a genius pentablet and don't get pressure sensitivity with GIMP or Inkscape (thought I do get it with MyPaint).  I installed Wizardpen and now my pentablet mouse doesn't work, just the pen.  Help?
[22:39] <s0nee> p3rsist: but back it up first before doing any changes
[22:39] <webPragmatist> typically should i copy my private keys to other machines?
[22:40] <s0nee> webPragmatist: only if you use the machines as clients ?
[22:41] <p3rsist> escott, thanks
[22:41] <webPragmatist> s0nee: well…. the issue i am having is i have a gitolite central server and it uses keys for auth but i don't want to have a user per machine anytime i want to push a change or whatver
[22:41] <webPragmatist> so i guess i am using them as clients indirectly
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> hi
[22:42] <Laurenceb_> anyone here used unrar-free?
[22:42] <sonyX> re
[22:42] <Laurenceb_> my unrared folders have no contents :(
[22:42] <bazhang> !pl | sonyX
[22:42] <webPragmatist> s0nee: follow?
[22:43] <s0nee> webPragmatist: not really. ask others. idk about those
[22:43] <madoo> hello evry one there
[22:44] <p3rsist> escott, is radeonhd compatible with hd5700?
[22:44] <beachbuddah> hey folks I have two probs that may be related
[22:44] <webPragmatist> s0nee: gitolite manages users per public key… so i'd have to add the user/public key per machine i login with (or share the private key)
[22:44] <madoo> hi
[22:44] <madoo> can i get hellp
[22:44] <yacoov> 4files.eu
[22:44] <bazhang> madoo, ubuntu support issue?
[22:45] <bazhang> yacoov, wrong place for that
[22:45] <madoo> i am use naw xubuntu
[22:45] <yacoov> 4files.eu
[22:45] <madoo> and i need hellp
[22:45] <yacoov> 4files.eu
[22:45] <bazhang> yacoov, stop that
[22:45] <s0nee> wereHamster: sorry no clue
[22:45] <beachbuddah> I tried to dual boot 10.10 with 11.10 on an external drive and got no grub choice and after updating  became unable to bot - I don't get past 'checking nvram'
[22:46] <Candyman> irc client?
[22:46] <yacoov> 4files.eu
[22:46] <madoo> can eny one hellp me please
[22:46] <Candyman> ups didnt want to write it here :P
[22:46] <bazhang> madoo, ask an actual question
[22:47] <madoo> i cant open flv vedio and i cant open avi
[22:47] <p1ruj3> Seriously nobody is around running "ubuntu server" ?
[22:47] <bazhang> madoo, install ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[22:47] <bazhang> p1ruj3, try #ubuntu-server
[22:47] <madoo> haw
[22:47] <p1ruj3> oh snap
[22:47] <p1ruj3> thanks bazhang
[22:47] <madoo> can you tell me
[22:48] <bazhang> madoo, tell you what
[22:48] <madoo> haw i can install thats
[22:48] <bazhang> madoo, from the package manager/software center/command line
[22:49] <marsfligth> how to see file size on mouse over? in more, how to rename a file by clicking it with mouse instead to use the context menu, for instance, like the ms standard behavior. Thanks for help
[22:49] <TtOoWwAa> holy fungus
[22:49] <TtOoWwAa> thats a lotta users
[22:51] <madoo> just tell me haw i can do thats please and where i can find it
[22:51] <bazhang> !software | madoo
[22:52] <w30> marsfligth, in Linux use right click instead of mouse over on the file icon
[22:56] <captnemofulcrum> i have an issue where wnck-applet had 1.1 gigs of memory, i killed it, but it hasn't freed the memory, can i do anything to let the system use it again? like garbage collection or something?
[22:56] <marsfligth> w30: Thanks for answer me. Ok, I knew that way, I am just asking if does exist a sort of plug-in, extension, program to change the behavior as mentioned in the previous post. Thanks again
[22:56] <scribus12> disable guest from lightdm?
[22:57] <almoxarife> can someone duplicate the error i get with 'gnome-nettool' ? start in terminal and notice if the 'IP Information' view in tab 'devices' is un-readable???
[22:57] <leeping> pp7, I'm using the radiance GTK theme and the clearlooks icons.  Desktop looks awesome now. :D Thank you.
[22:57] <captnemofulcrum> scribus12, was that for me?
[22:57] <pp7> leeping: np :)
[22:57] <scribus12> captnemofulcrum: no :)
[22:57] <captnemofulcrum> i have an issue where wnck-applet had 1.1 gigs of memory, i killed it, but it hasn't freed the memory, can i do anything to let the system use it again? like garbage collection or something? i'm running 10.04 LTS 64bit with vanila gdm
[22:57] <scribus12> How to disable guest from lightdm?
[22:57] <pp7> leeping: i use mint-x icons
[22:58] <iceroot> i have a nfs-share, on the server a dir inside the nfs share belongs to michael with uid 1000, i mount the nfs-share on the client as user "michael" with uid 1000 but ls - all is showing me uid<PHONE_NUMBER>. strange is that the uid 1000 can write on the nfs share on client. so why is ls showing me that strange uid?
[22:58] <leftist> i have this sugar bin file. how do i execute it?
[22:58] <leftist> ./ ??
[22:59] <iceroot> leftist: chmod +x filename.bon  after that ./filename.bin
[22:59] <iceroot> leftist: filename.bin
[22:59] <leftist> iceroot i changed props to 777
[22:59] <iceroot> leftist: never use 777
[22:59] <leftist> well it's on a test laptop i use
[22:59] <iceroot> leftist: doesnt matter
[22:59] <leftist> iceroot ok
[23:00] <iceroot> leftist: dont use stupid things not for real systems, not for testsystems
[23:00] <iceroot> leftist: chmod +x instead of chmod 777
[23:00] <w30> marsfligth, that's something I have never been motivated to check for possibilities .
[23:00] <leftist> iceroot yeah your right
[23:00] <leftist> dont play stay real
[23:00] <leftist> yeah i know
[23:01] <almoxarife> can someone duplicate the error i get with 'gnome-nettool' ? start in terminal and notice if the 'IP Information' view in tab 'devices' is un-readable???
[23:02] <lordbah> almoxarife: It's there but too small to read, for me.
[23:02] <jpedroza2k> Hello all. I am running Ubuntu 11.10 in Virtualbox with a Windows host. I can use it just fine when in windowed mode, but once I enter full screen I get no input, leaving full screen shows any text I had input. Has this been addressed here before?
[23:03] <almoxarife> lordbah: thnks, that's what I also see
[23:03] <marsfligth> w30: Doesn't matter, I just hoped for some 'Configuration Editor' tricks
[23:03] <lordbah> almoxarife: And naturally if you resize the window it's the lower area which grows, not this one...
[23:03] <almoxarife> lordbah: naturally
[23:04] <lakcaj> Hi.  Where does ubuntu store network configuration?  If I ssh into my box, how can I edit the network config from the CLI?  I've looked in /etc/network/interfaces, but that file does not seem to contain my current config.
[23:04] <sebsebseb> Hi
[23:06] <almoxarife> jpedroza2k: did you add the 'virtual-extensions package to virtualbox?
[23:07] <jpedroza2k> almoxarife, I did install the virtualbox additions package.
[23:10] <Fudge> hi anyone ever experienced with lucid where the installer does not want to progress past the keyboard layout screen
[23:13] <DrGamut> I have an ICH8 integrated audio controller, and my microphone is only recording static in Linux.
[23:13] <DrGamut> What can I try?
[23:13] <scribus12> lakcaj: managed by network amanger, you probably can install some tui for it.
[23:15] <L0veM0nkey> hello
[23:15] <sebsebseb> WOW what happended to this channel?   Not much going on here right now.
[23:15] <sebsebseb> L0veM0nkey: hi
[23:15] <L0veM0nkey> had a quick question
[23:15] <L0veM0nkey> does ubuntu work with open office?
[23:16] <L0veM0nkey> sup sebsebseb?!
[23:16] <sebsebseb> L0veM0nkey: not much a bit bored here
[23:16] <sebsebseb> L0veM0nkey: Ubuntu uses Libre Office since uhmm 10.04 or whatver, Open Office got replaced
[23:16] <sebsebseb> ,but you could install the actsual Open Office yourself outside repos
[23:17] <sebsebseb> L0veM0nkey: 10.04? I mean 11.04
[23:17] <scribus12> L0veM0nkey: sudo ap-get install libreoffice
[23:17] <sebsebseb> L0veM0nkey: scribus12 Libre Office comes by default in the later versions
[23:17] <L0veM0nkey> does Unbuntu work well with MS office?
[23:17] <Tru3fate> im trying to install the latest virtual box but it saids conflict cause there a older version im trying to uninstall that but it wont let me
[23:18] <L0veM0nkey> does Unbuntu work well with MS office files?  .xlsx & .docx & mdb.  access files?
[23:18] <scribus12> L0veM0nkey: simply save files as .docx or .xlsx   i haven't had any issues.
[23:18] <tripelb> Hi, without the OSX shell.
[23:18] <tripelb> [16:17] <ogen> I just made an Ubuntu liveCD which booted -- to a black screen. I saw it booted and got to choose Englis ((I have an Intel MacBook circa 2006-7??)
[23:18] <sebsebseb> L0veM0nkey: more like does Libre Office work well  with Microsoft Office, (and Libre Office in most other Desktop Linux distros these days as well), and yes it works quite nicely with the  Word 2003 and such formats, not sure about 2007 and later.
[23:18] <L0veM0nkey> how about databases, ms access
[23:19] <sebsebseb> L0veM0nkey: I think Access is still an issue, but not that sure really
[23:19] <L0veM0nkey> cool, thx for taking the time answering my questions.
[23:20] <L0veM0nkey> if access was supported, i would prolly try it out ASAP
[23:20] <qmanjr5> Okay, I'm using RubyGems to install something, but when I type redcar install (redcar is what I'm installing,) it doesn't work. :/
[23:20] <qmanjr5> It says command not found
[23:20] <CellTech> How to disable the password screen lock on 10.04
[23:21] <L0veM0nkey> another quick?, any free database apps for Ubuntu?
[23:21] <Taronysaurus> sqlite3
[23:22] <itaylor57> !database | L0veM0nkey
[23:22] <L0veM0nkey> !database
[23:23] <sebsebseb> !mysql | L0veM0nkey
[23:23] <scribus12> L0veM0nkey: thre are tons.
[23:24] <sebsebseb> L0veM0nkey: quite a few free databases for Linux distros :D
[23:24] <sebsebseb> free as in freedom, and so price as well as a side effect of that
[23:24] <sebsebseb> !freedom
[23:24] <L0veM0nkey> nice...
[23:24] <s0nee> free speech, not free beer (lol)
[23:24] <L0veM0nkey> i like free!!
[23:24] <L0veM0nkey> lol
[23:26] <v0lksman> if I have a file that has group writeable perms and my user is part of that group I should be able to delete it right?
[23:27] <L0veM0nkey> thx for the help, will prolly be back!  peace out!
[23:29] <gaga> gnome-sushi doesn t' preview mp3 and html ...any suggestion!!
[23:32] <CellTech> Do I want to "prelink"?
[23:34] <sebenza> Hi - I have a question about Evolution and Gmail
[23:35] <MrBlue> Good EVEning everyone.  I seem to have to be having an issue with Ubuntu... I cannot run i386 executables.  It gives an error saying it has no program installed to run them.
[23:38] <hearnoseeno> so on 11.10 when i press ctrl-t on the desktop an x-nautilus directory appears and renders the desktop totally white.  How can I get rid of this?
[23:40] <DrMax> hearnoseeno : simple solution, remap ctrl-t short-cut to something else
[23:40] <tdowg1> v0lksman: not necessarily
[23:42] <DrMax> hearnoseeno : or disable Nautilus desktop handling
[23:42] <hearnoseeno> DrMax, any idea as to what is going on exactly
[23:43] <DrMax> nautilus handles the desktop as a window, ctrl-t opens a new tab
[23:43] <hearnoseeno> but why does it clobber the desktop and it's background?
[23:43] <DrMax> hearnoseeno : http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/137914-disable-nautilus-desktop-handling/
[23:43] <DrMax> Not sure.
[23:44] <james418> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/turn-off-auto-play-of-audio-and-video-cds-and-dvds-in-ubuntu/  this seems outdated.  How can I configure autoplay for dvds?
[23:44] <hot2trot> I have a problem with a file that starts witha a hyphen - and I can't run a mv command because, evn if i use a \ before it, it thinks i'm trying to flag an optino
[23:45] <linux> testing
[23:46] <elky> hot2trot, you can't even get it with tabcomplete?
[23:46] <DrMax> james418 : system settings -> removable devices
[23:46] <tdowg1> hot2trot: try quotes?
[23:46] <DrMax> james418 : system settings -> removable media* sorry
[23:46] <hearnoseeno> DrMax, seems as if it creates a new tab on the desktop
[23:46] <tdowg1> hot2trot: rm "-filename"
[23:46] <hot2trot> elky: i use tab completes and it doesn't like it
[23:46] <tdowg1> hot2trot: and   rm '-filename'
[23:46] <hearnoseeno> and my netbook was barely displaying the top.......
[23:46] <semitones> are inode sizes in bits or what?
[23:46] <hot2trot> tdowg1: i shall try that
[23:46] <DrMax> hearnoseeno : yes, the desktop is a nautilus window, unless you tell it not to
[23:47] <hearnoseeno> rightclicked new tab, closed........good to go, thanks
[23:47] <hot2trot> tdowg1: didn't work
[23:47] <james418> DrMax, I do not see anything in LXDE menu -> Preferences or LXDE menu -> System tools regarding removable devices or media
[23:47] <james418> Is there a command I can type?
[23:47] <plummerb> Dern it.  Anyone know where MPT is?
[23:47] <katronixserf> Hey all, how hard it is it to get Audacity (which is using ALSA) to record Skype (which is using PulseAudio) ?
[23:48] <DrMax> james: ah, LXDE, sorry, I don't know LXDE enough to help you. There aught to be a control panel of some sort?
[23:48] <hot2trot> for anyone that cares apparently putting a ./ before the filename made it work
[23:48] <hot2trot> peace y'all
[23:48] <plummerb> Ah, file paths...
[23:48] <tdowg1> hot2trot: rm -- -foo
[23:49] <james418> DrMax, Well, how can I use gnome classic?  I don't like that new desktop environment Unity.
[23:49] <arooni-mobile> hi folks;  i just had to restart my computer (11.10) because the copy paste functionality got stuck.  i couldn't click on anything anymore... i.e. id click on something and nothing would happen
[23:49] <arooni-mobile> ideas?
[23:49] <DpEpsilon> Problem: ubuntu 11.10 crashes at startup and once I have used an install USB once, it stops working.
[23:49] <tripelb> [16:17] <ogen> I just made an Ubuntu liveCD which booted -- to a black screen. I saw it booted and got to choose Englis ((I have an Intel MacBook circa 2006-7??) -- HELP ME I"M A GIRL/WOMAN/CRONE
[23:49] <james418> I am unable to select "gnome classic" during login because it is not listed in the menu for some reason.
[23:49] <v0lksman> tdowg1: http://dpaste.com/642924/
[23:49] <arooni-mobile> it just happened again
[23:49] <arooni-mobile> i cant click on anything
[23:49] <james418> I remember on another computer seeing option to use "gnome classic" desktop, but on this laptop it is not available.
[23:49] <arooni-mobile> such as closing a window
[23:49] <plummerb> arooni-mobile  You have an ATI video card?
[23:49] <james418> What package must I install to provide "gnome classic" desktop?
[23:49] <arooni-mobile> plummerb, no i have an integrated intel on my lenovo t420
[23:50] <DpEpsilon> It wasn't crashing at login yesterday
[23:50] <DpEpsilon> and this is my second install.
[23:50]  * arooni-mobile is sad ubuntu 11.10 doesnt let him click anything.... he was hoping itd be more stable than 11.04
[23:50] <DpEpsilon> arooni-mobile: you and I are learning that new releases aren't stable :)
[23:50] <plummerb> arooni-mobile I know I was getting that behavior too.  Had something to do with Unity not working with ATI drivers or something.
[23:50] <DpEpsilon> in comparison
[23:51] <tdowg1> v0lksman: ah, ya that can get tricky.  im not expert, but you can try doing `chgrp upstream'  ?
[23:51] <arooni-mobile> how can i click on things hahah
[23:51] <MrBlue> Does anyone know why I can't run i386 or x86_64 executables?  I have download two zipped archives for Ubuntu games and neither of there executables will open.  Either i836 or x86 _64 extensions.  I am running Ubunto Desktop 11.10.
[23:51] <maxtmahem> So I'm running ubuntu 11.10 on a netbook, any advice on some packages to make life easier?
[23:51] <plummerb> arooni-mobile I got it to stop on my system by logging in to the Unity 2D session.
[23:51] <arooni-mobile> or can i revert to some other desktop enviornment?
[23:51] <arooni-mobile> oh unity
[23:51] <arooni-mobile> i had such high hopes for you
[23:51] <maxtmahem> MrBlue: Have you marked them as executable?
[23:51] <katronixserf> Hey all, how hard it is it to get Audacity (which is using ALSA) to record Skype (which is using PulseAudio) ?
[23:51] <arooni-mobile> how do i login to unity 2d from command line?  i.e. seeing the login screen again
[23:52] <tdowg1> v0lksman: otherwise, the only other thing that comes to my mind is to play around with sticky (?) bits or wahtever... `man chmod' goes into ___detail___ much more than I care to read about.
[23:52] <arooni-mobile> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?  from another tty?
[23:52] <tripelb> Ubuntu liveCD  booted  to a black screen after choosing English. (I have an Intel MacBook) - I've been working on this for days and even with the Geniuses.
[23:52] <MrBlue> maxtmahem: yes I do
[23:52] <DpEpsilon> It won't even let me use the command line :S
[23:52] <james418> DrMax, ping ircdearia if you respond
[23:52] <DpEpsilon> it crashes
[23:52] <DrMax> james418 : install gnome-desktop, log out, choose "gnome" or "gnome classic" from the list of possible sessions (accessible via the gear button on the log-in dialog)
[23:52] <plummerb> arooni-mobile  Well, you could try ...  What is it...   Alt+Printscrn+k
[23:53] <plummerb> I think that restarts X
[23:53] <DpEpsilon> Problem: ubuntu 11.10 crashes at startup and once I have used an install USB once, it stops working. It was not crashing yesterday. It began to crash while using apt-get, then at login. I cannot even use the virtual terminals, since it crashes.
[23:54] <DpEpsilon> I'm using an Acer AOD 522
[23:54] <DpEpsilon> with ATI graphics
[23:54] <DrMax> ircdearia :  install gnome-desktop, log out, choose "gnome" or "gnome classic" from the list of possible sessions (accessible via the gear button on the log-in dialog)
[23:54] <plummerb> DpEpsilon, you may just need to reinstall.
[23:54] <tdowg1> v0lksman: ah, ya that can get tricky.  im not expert, but you can try doing `chgrp upstream'  ?  ---sorry, instead of chgrp, i really meant to say this instead : `newgrp upstream'
[23:54] <DpEpsilon> and a free driver.
[23:54] <MrBlue> maxtmahem: It says there is no application to run "executables"
[23:54] <DpEpsilon> plummerb: already installed twice.
[23:54] <tdowg1> which makes upstream your primary group (or whatever), instead of foo.
[23:55] <v0lksman> tdowg1: nadda...voodoo problem...uhg
[23:55] <plummerb> DpEpsilon Maybe the iso you downloaded was corrupt.  I was getting corrupt iso's a lot lately.
[23:55] <DpEpsilon> hmm...
[23:55] <tdowg1> haha, ya, sorry.
[23:55] <DpEpsilon> plummerb: that might be it....
[23:55] <plummerb> It's possible...
[23:55] <maxtmahem> MrBlue: hrm, don't know what that is. Can you run it from the command line, so like cd wherever then ./your_executable_name
[23:55] <DpEpsilon> plummerb: also, neither of my boot usbs work with the same iso after using it to install once... which is strange.
[23:55] <v0lksman> tdowg1: no worries...thanks for trying.. ;)
[23:56] <DpEpsilon> plummerb: so it might be a corrupt iso.
[23:56] <plummerb> DpEpsilon  I was getting really strange results trying to install with a USB that I built in windows.  One I built in linux worked perfect.
[23:57] <DpEpsilon> plummerb: I built mine on ubuntu 10.04
[23:57] <plummerb> DpEpsilon also... Did you check your boot disk order
[23:57] <plummerb> ?
[23:57] <DpEpsilon> plummerb: yes
[23:58] <DpEpsilon> plummerb: that's not the problem.
[23:58] <plummerb> DpEpsilon  Well, you may want to check the SHA of the ISO you downloaded just to make sure it isn't corrupt.
[23:58] <DpEpsilon> ok
[23:59] <MrBlue> Maxtmahem, Im sorry, Im not too fluent with the terminal.  Could you give me an example of running that command?
[23:59] <DpEpsilon> plummerb: if it isn't the iso, I will assume it is the kernel, because _all_ of my problems seemed to be associated with the kernel on 10.04.
[23:59] <DpEpsilon> s/problems/strange problems/


[00:24] <Riddell> claydoh: how did you start your i386 9.10 to 10.04 upgrade?
[00:34] <rbelem> hey Riddell
[00:35] <rbelem> Riddell, i start get my hands dirty today http://paste.ubuntu.com/423635/
[00:35] <rbelem> :-)
[00:36] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm planning to finish tomorrow the kdenetwork/filesystem part
[00:37] <Riddell> rbelem: hypercool
[00:38] <rbelem> :-)
[00:38] <Riddell> rbelem: does it work?
[00:39] <rbelem> Riddell, yep... i made a small test code
[00:39] <rbelem> Riddell, i will paste the other files
[00:44] <rbelem> Riddell, i think it is better to upload to somewhere
[00:44] <rbelem> :-)
[00:50] <rbelem> Riddell, http://media.rbelem.info/usershare.tar.gz
[00:54] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm going home.  I can also test upgrading from alternate cd if necessary, I have my karmic backup disk image I can restore
[04:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think before people get denied upload rights due to their experience matching a package set better than the generalist case, I think that ought to be true.
[04:04] <ScottK> Hotel internet is fun.  My ISO download should be done in 11 hours.
[05:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: Congratulations on GSoC.
[05:21] <ScottK> Good thing they give you a month for community bonding.
[05:23] <maco> ya know, just in case a few years(?) of it werent enough :P
[05:29] <nixternal> make sure you all tweet #ubuntu tomorrow
[05:29] <nixternal> or today for you 2 nuckleheads in dc
[05:29] <nixternal> might be heading out the way to work with ben collins on a project actually...though i have no clue wth he is these days
[05:30] <nixternal> just know he is within a few hours of dc where there is probably lots of woods, a couple of banjos, and plenty of sheep
[05:31] <crimsun> still in PA, I thought.
[05:31] <nixternal> thought he was in WV?
[05:31] <crimsun> could be; I've only seen pa hostmasks
[05:32] <nixternal> speaking of the devil who found me the opportunity to work with ben
[05:32] <nixternal> did you do also work for curt or something? how do you know each other?
[05:32] <nixternal> s/also/alsa
[05:32] <nixternal> i hate that word
[05:33] <crimsun> we know each other through anynet
[05:33] <crimsun> smallish ircnet running on bc infrastructure, lots of Debian devs and users
[05:33] <nixternal> ahh
[09:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: you can never have enough community bonding ^^
[09:53] <apachelogger> also that time is perfect for thiking about the designs and stuff, so I can dive into coding in may
[09:53] <apachelogger> or go on vacation ;)
[11:01] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I think the knh merge didn't go through for some reason (at least I don't see it on lp) :-(
[11:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[11:04] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Finnegan's Wake" by Dropkick Murphys [Do or Die, 1998] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0qrVpBm3o8eU0fFO54UXv7] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[11:04]  * apachelogger thinks that kubotu could use an update
[11:04] <apachelogger> ah
[11:04] <apachelogger> akonadi is dead -.0
[11:08]  * apachelogger never saw akonadi eat the cpu
[11:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: those files you sent me have some rather crude issue somewhere
[11:11] <Riddell> crude issue?
[11:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: a rather annoying one
[11:13] <apachelogger> must be mysql ;)
[11:14]  * apachelogger cant switch the modelview int he akonadi console without getting 100% cpu usage
[11:14] <apachelogger> even if the selected resource is empty
[12:14] <gunsofbrixton_> hi, I just installed kubuntu lucid in virtual box, seems like I can't manage to get the guest additions working, anyone else experiencing this?
[12:21] <ulysses> Yes, I've installed the sources of the kernel, but it didn't help
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> amichair: yeah, forgot to push the changes to trunk. the good news is that it did make it to lucid a few weeks ago
[12:25] <JontheEchidna> have to go to class now though, bbl
[12:29] <gunsofbrixton> ulysses: ah, I was indeed missing dkms, thought I had it. sorry, my bad
[13:51] <bulldog98> neversfelde: yes I have time when to start?
[15:30] <amichair> it's awfully quiet in here
[15:31] <rbelem> hey Riddell
[15:32] <rbelem> Riddell, what do you think about the code?
[15:32] <Riddell> rbelem: sorry bad week for code I'm doing final release testing
[15:33] <Riddell> amichair: we're all doing release testing (well I can hope)
[15:33] <amichair> :-)
[15:33] <rbelem> Riddell, np ;-)
[15:33] <amichair> sorry I didn't have more time for ubiquity bugs before release, been too busy :-(
[15:34] <Riddell> how does this read for release? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:37] <tsimpson> looks good
[15:39] <amichair> Riddell: "Upgrade to 10.04 LTS with an alternate CD start with:" doesn't sound like a correct sentence
[15:40] <tsimpson> the " start with:" could be removed
[15:40] <amichair> Riddell: "if this is not working" -> "if this doesn't work"
[15:41] <amichair> "press the return button" -> "press return" or "press the return key"
[15:42] <amichair> Riddell: excellent screenshots
[15:44] <amichair> Riddell: it might be wise to put the "upgrade from hardy is not supported" note at the top, before ppl start
[15:46] <amichair> Riddell: the top section is missing a 1) section number (only the alternative section has it)
[15:47] <amichair> great walk-through other than that :-)
[15:48] <amichair> JontheEchidna: not sure what u mean by lucid without trunk, but I trust you've got it covered :-)
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> amichair: as in, I uploaded your fixes to lucid a few weeks ago, but didn't push the commits to trunk
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> bzr trunki
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> *trunk
[15:49] <amichair> JontheEchidna: isn't lucid based on trunk?
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> yes
[15:49] <amichair> don't all changes first go to trunk?
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> I just uploaded the package to lucid without pushing the changes to bzr
[15:50] <amichair> oh, as in manually on ur machine?
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> eventually all packages have to be manually uploaded
[15:50] <amichair> ok, I think I get it :-)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> and then hopefully the developer will at the same time push the changes to bzr
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> unless they forget <.<
[15:52] <amichair> though publishing something without the code in repositories sounds to me like trouble :-)
[15:52] <amichair> JontheEchidna: anyway, thanks - I'm taking it of my todo list ;-)
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's a bad idea to not keep the two in sync. totally my fault for forgetting
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> guess I'm just too used to svn where committing also pushes...
[15:54] <shtylman> the chromi kwin deco is pretty great
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> I found chromi a bit buggy the last time I used it
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> but the concept is neat
[15:57]  * JontheEchidna tries it again
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah, still is a bit buggy: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopup1445-jpg.jpg
[16:00] <nixternal> wtf is up with your vista loving theme there bud?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> that's the preview's fault
[16:01] <nixternal> yeah right
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> as you can see, the actual decoration is chrome lovin'
[16:01] <nixternal> I don't have no decoration called 'chromi' that looks like vista :p
[16:01] <nixternal> jeesh, talking just like a chicagoan there
[16:01] <nixternal> i don't have no....
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> I found a power adapter yesterday that will let my computer use that fancy Flemish electricity :3
[16:31] <Guest84236> Hi there
[16:32] <Guest84236> When I right click on a folder in dolphin , and select properties and sharing tab ,
[16:32] <Guest84236> it shows you need to authorized to share folders
[16:33] <Guest84236> when I click the configure file sharing it gets my root password
[16:33] <Guest84236> but it does nothing !
[16:33] <Guest84236> what's wrong?
[16:34] <ulysses> Guest84236: Support on #kubuntu, this channel is for the developers. Anyway, have you installed the following packages: kdenetwork-filesharing, samba, nfs-common?
[16:35] <Guest84236> ulysses: doing nothing wothout a prompt is not a bug?
[16:35] <Guest84236> ulysses: and the developers are not here to try improve the quality?
[16:37] <ulysses> last time I've seen a blinking underscore without prompt I have to bring my laptop to the service
[16:39] <ulysses> Guest84236: The developers are here to discuss the development, not to support the users
[16:39] <Riddell> Guest84236: there's a known upstream problem.  it needs rewriting and rbelem is working on that
[16:40] <Guest84236> Riddell: thanks
[16:41] <rbelem> ;-)
[16:43] <rbelem> Riddell, do you know how to add the kde api to the assistant?
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> there's a copy of the kde 4.5 docs for the assistant: http://mts.ms/kde45.qch
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> should be ok as long as you pay attention to the "since KDE 4.x" entries to tell which version of KDE the member was introduced in
[16:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you have the beastie number for akonadi startup issue?  we should get it into release notes
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think it's bug 564263, though apachelogger should confirm
[16:49] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:49] <apachelogger> though the title does not really fit
[16:49] <apachelogger> it is more like s/for the first time/at random times/g
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> "Akonadi fails because mysql is a poopy pile"
[16:50] <apachelogger> that one
[16:50] <apachelogger> indeed it looks like I always get the dialog when akonadi/mysql did not terminate properly
[16:51]  * apachelogger will try to hunt down all occurances as soon as he finished planning a TA test and distributed some knowledge
[17:32] <dpm> hi Riddell, you asked me a couple of days ago for the output of the comparison between the upstream and downstream language packs, here it is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424073/ . It is the same thing I sent you last time (comparison of the 'es' langpack), but this time I haven't filtered out the different types of messages. The interesting bits are the ERROR messages, which are the ones that affect all languages. Most of them are about particular stri
[17:32] <dpm> ngs in the upstream language pack, but missing in the Ubuntu one, but I still haven't figured out why (genuine bug, patch modifying strings, import error?)
[17:35] <dpm> Riddell, also tell me if you want to have a Kubuntu translations roundtable at UDS, and we can either put it on the desktop or community tracks. If you want it on the desktop track, feel free to just subscribe me to it then
[18:42] <debfx> claydoh: could you add to the release notes that one needs to install kmozillahelper to get the kde integration for firefox (except when using the firefox installer)?
[19:11] <valgaav> it would be also awesome if kmozillahelper worked with thunderbird/seamonkey :) ... I've already filled out a bug on that
[19:12] <neversfelde> where are the release notes?
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004
[19:17] <neversfelde> thanks
[20:04] <dantti> JontheEchidna: that print-manager stuff is giving me more work than i thought it would... :P
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> dantti: my side-project is too
[20:05] <dantti> making it use threads was a nightmare..
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> who knew making a Qt/C++ libapt implementation/wrapper would be hard to get correct?
[20:06] <dantti> yesterday I thought I had found a solution..
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> threading makes me cry
[20:06] <dantti> JontheEchidna: yeah,,, libapt is a bit of a pain..
[20:06] <dantti> have you looked into aptcc code?
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> dantti: yeah, it's been helpful
[20:06] <dantti> that might help you a bit..
[20:06] <dantti> :)
[20:07] <dantti> now I realized that I need to change the libqcups to be async instead of using some crazy eventLoops.. hopefully this will solve the problems..
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> Would you happen to know if there is a way to update a package cache without throwing it away and making a new one? (e.g. after a cache update)
[20:08] <dantti> JontheEchidna: well afair I always re read the cache, but it's quite fast on the second time..
[20:09] <dantti> opening it, reading all it's packages, sorting and unique takes less than one second in aptcc
[20:09] <dantti> what takes more time is DBus
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> yeah, dbus is annoyingly slow
[20:10] <dantti> by opening I mean the second time..
[20:10] <davmor2> Hey guys you should fix the ublog so that posts from it don't say from the web but from ublog instead, free advert for KDE
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> My implementation has the Backend making a QList of QApt::Packages. Each package in the cache has an associated QApt::Package that can be used to grab information about the package (name, version, etc)
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> But when I update the package cache, all of the QApt::Packages become invalid :(
[20:12] <dantti> JontheEchidna: one thing that took me lots of time to undestand (and I still don't know it very well now) is why there is so many kinds of caches in apt..
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> what I want to know is why they needed so many goddamn iterators
[20:14] <dantti> JontheEchidna: I see well, I think or you should lock apt like synaptic does, and reload the cache when you reaload it or make the packagekit way, meaning that you do searches instead of having the real db
[20:14] <dantti> yes that too
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> mainly my problem is that the apps that are using my library (a shaman backend and a test app I built) seem to like to try to access the QApt::Packages before the cache done being rebuilt
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> and then it crashes :(
[20:16] <dantti> hmm i see
[20:19] <dantti> JontheEchidna: does shaman use policykit?
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> dantti: My library does: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> via polkit-qt-1
[20:20] <dantti> right, in that case it will be nice if we create a libdebconf-qt
[20:20] <dantti> which I plan to use in kpk and that you would need too
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> Does anybody know if clearing a QList deletes all the objects within the list?
[20:32] <dantti> JontheEchidna: afair no if they are pointers
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> makes sense
[20:33] <dantti> i remember to have a foreach loop in kpk to delete them
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> ha, there's a crash fixed
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> I forgot to clear the list after deleting all the QApt::Package pointers in it
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> so the first 1,200 pointers in the list were all null...
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> whoa, that was to root of *all* my problems!
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> dantti: Thanks for all your help. You got me thinking in the right direction
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> also I was emitting the "done updating cache" signal after the fetching was done, but before I called the function to rebuild the cache
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> next up: trying to find why installing/removing multiple packages at once only installs/removes the first in the list :(
[20:43] <dantti> JontheEchidna: glad that I helped.. :) if you have more questions poke me
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> Communicating between the libqapt backend and the libqapt worker for installing/removing things is not fun.
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> I have to get a list of all changed packages, note what needs to be done to them, send it over dbus to the worker, have the worker duplicate things on its end, and then commit the changes
[20:44] <dantti> JontheEchidna: do you use DBus for that?
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:45] <dantti> JontheEchidna: the only problem with DBus for that an packagekit is when your update DBus... the ui stops working (don't know if in ubuntu dbus is also restarted)
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> gotta go now, have to leave early to go home
[20:46] <dantti> cya
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> sorry to run in the middle of a conversation
[20:46] <dantti> don't be
[20:59] <apachelogger> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3133/2854373407_65fe22d55f.jpg
[21:00] <apachelogger> the octobus is now ready for boarding, please keep your passport and boarding card ready
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> figures kdevelop 4.4.0 tarballs appear on ktown one day before final release :(
[21:29] <Tm_T> ouch
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> rgreening_: looks like you and me are crew buddies for friday
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> UDS Crew buddies, that is
[21:42] <Riddell> kdevelop and koffice are both generally badly timed for our cycle
[21:45] <neversfelde> yes
[21:45] <neversfelde> is someone working on koffice?
[21:45] <neversfelde> rc
[21:46] <Riddell> which one?
[21:46] <neversfelde> wasn't rc tagged a few days ago?
[21:46] <neversfelde> I might be wrong
[21:47] <Riddell> 2.1.91 is in https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[21:47] <Riddell> that's the newest on ktown
[21:48] <neversfelde> ok
[21:48] <Riddell> claydoh: have you do anything on a release announcement?
[21:49] <Riddell> my plan is to take the RC one and put that onto kubuntu.org updated for final but you may be more prepared
[21:55] <claydoh> Riddell: I have a bare one started, getting ready to work in it in a few
[21:56] <claydoh> Riddell: basically i was going to do similar, but hopefully jazz up the lts bit :)
[22:05] <claydoh> Riddell: anything in particular you don't want missed in the notes? or highlighted?
[22:06] <claydoh> debfx: gotcha on the kmozillahelper
[22:08] <Riddell> claydoh: mostly just the long term support message
[23:18] <txwikinger> what is the matter with usplash? It should be installable on lucid, shouLdn't it?
[23:19] <Riddell> txwikinger: we don't use usplash in lucid
[23:19] <txwikinger> but it is still used isn't it?
[23:19] <txwikinger> not for kubuntu, but for other packages?
[23:20] <Riddell> I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave a moment ago
[23:20] <txwikinger> :)
[23:20] <maco> doesnt plymouth replace it?
[23:20] <al> yea
[23:20] <Riddell> yes
[23:20] <txwikinger> hmm.. I have to find why it is still in my depends... I have taken it out of the seeds
[23:23] <txwikinger> Anyway..who called it plymouth?
[23:23]  * txwikinger thinks that sounds far too English :D
[23:24] <Riddell> I suspect it's named after one of the US Plymouths
[23:25] <txwikinger> the car?
[23:26] <txwikinger> I thought it does not exist anymore
[23:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: this neuromancer is a difficult customer it seems
[23:56] <apachelogger> :)
[23:56]  * txwikinger is frustrated about 12 hour wait in building time
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: which bug? (Though I agree)
[23:58] <apachelogger> any
[23:59] <apachelogger> he jsut keeps reopening :P
[23:59] <apachelogger> *just


[21:32] <ircsri> Hi kernel experts, can someone help me resolve an Nvidia graphics driver issue with 16.04 LTS recent kernel upgrade. Here's what I tried from the community: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2369833&page=2


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