[02:15] <ddd333> yo
[02:16] <ddd333> i can't send text to ubuntu like 3 weeks ago someone unvoiced me. what gives?
[02:16] <ddd333> help me
[02:19] <ddd333> who can help me
[02:20] <ddd333> it says this message: "Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu"
[02:22] <ddd333> hey LjL-Alps
[02:22] <ddd333> you see no one answers me
[02:23] <LjL-Alps> hello. please, someone address ddd333's concerns very quickly, because it seems to be quite urgent, to the point that he had to insist in a completely unrelated channel that the Ubuntu ops were nazis not allowing him to speak.
[02:23] <LjL-Alps> please take care of the situation, thanks!
[02:23] <ddd333> omg
[02:33] <hggdh> ddd333: when was you muted?
[02:34] <hggdh> s/was/were/
[02:34] <ddd333> hi hggdh
[02:34] <ddd333> like 2 or 3 weeks ago
[02:34] <hggdh> why?
[02:35] <ddd333> omg i wanted to know ikonia's age. and asked twice and i think k1l semi-banned me
[02:36] <hggdh> yes.  Anyway, going on. Did you read the guidelines?
[02:39] <ddd333> omg hggdh you're so cool. ikonia tried to find my name but he didnt find it
[02:39] <ddd333> hggdh: i dont visit too often but i have a very relaxed personality
[02:40] <hggdh> Did you read the guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels?
[02:40] <ddd333> havent read them but i know i shouldnt talk offtopic there
[02:40] <hggdh> !guidelines
[02:41] <ddd333> will read them. thank you
[02:41] <hggdh> ddd333: please go to the link above, and read them.
[02:41] <hggdh> ddd333: *AFTER* you have read them, come back here.
[02:42] <hggdh> Then, if you agree to follow the guidelines, I will remove your mute.
[02:42] <ddd333> omg then should i come tomorrow
[02:43] <ddd333> i bookmarked the link
[02:43] <ddd333> thank you. will come back tomorrow
[02:43] <ddd333> thank uuuuuuu
[02:43] <hggdh> ddd333: it is not that long a text to read. Please be aware that your mute will depend on telling us you understand the rules and wll follow them
[02:44] <hggdh> ah well.
[02:45] <hggdh> @comment 73262 returned as ddd333, with a somewhat surreal dialog/behaviour. Will read the guidelines, then return
[06:36] <seek> ikonia can you link it to me i lost the page
[06:45] <ikonia> !guidelines | seek
[06:45] <seek> thx
[08:13] <seek> ok i read it and i need help fixing a friends problem with his ubuntu
[08:13] <ikonia> ok - you read it and understand how to behave in #ubuntu ?
[08:14] <seek> yes
[08:14] <ikonia> ok, I'll remove the ban for you
[08:14] <ikonia> one moment
[08:14] <seek> thank you <3
[08:14] <seek> my friend is black screening but he has his ubuntu installed now tho
[08:16] <ikonia> ok - so the ban in #ubuntu is removed, if you /part this channel, you should be able to join #ubuntu now
[10:40] <Ascavasaion> got this in private... [12:36:09] <hournyoud> you miserable fucking bastard.  Ubuntu sucks
[10:40] <hournyoud> Ascavasaion: can I help you
[10:45] <bazhang> thanks for the report Ascavasaion
[10:45] <bazhang> hournyoud, you have no business asking that here
[15:39] <ohlolz> hi yesterday i was told you would remove my semi-ban in #ubuntu
[15:42] <k1l_> hi ohlolz
[15:43] <k1l_> 13hours ago you were told to read the guidelines. did you do this in the meantime?
[15:43] <ohlolz> k1l_: hi
[15:43] <ohlolz> yep
[15:46] <ohlolz> what should i do now
[15:46] <ohlolz> lol
[15:48] <hggdh> now you should tell us if you understand what you have read, and that you will comply ith the guidelines
[15:48] <ohlolz> yeah
[15:48] <ohlolz> i do
[15:48] <ohlolz> and will
[15:48] <ohlolz> hi hggdh ^_^
[15:49] <hggdh> ohlolz: so you are saying you do understand the guidelines, and will comply with them, correct?
[15:49] <ohlolz> hggdh: yeppers
[15:50] <hggdh> ohlolz: please understand that if we have to act again, it will be more difficult to regain access to #ubuntu.
[15:50] <hggdh> ohlolz: do you understand what I have just written?
[15:50] <ohlolz> hggdh: it makes sense
[15:50] <ohlolz> i'm smartie
[15:50] <ohlolz> yes friend
[15:51] <hggdh> just for reference: I have followed your dialog in ##English; the behaviour you had there will result in immediate ban in the Ubuntu namespace
[15:51] <ohlolz> omg you were there
[15:52] <ohlolz> but it's just chit chat in #english
[15:52] <ohlolz> hggdh: are you always there in #english?
[15:52] <hggdh> ohlolz: I am just making clear you understand
[15:53] <ohlolz> i visit that one and ubuntu, but i dont come often to chat
[15:53] <ohlolz> hggdh: yes, i do understand everything
[15:53] <hggdh> ohlolz: OK. Please try #ubuntu again
[15:55] <ohlolz> thank you hggdh :D
[15:55] <ohlolz> bye everyone
[16:05] <hggdh> @comment 73262 mute removed after chat with ohlolz
[20:28] <Pici> thats a sad peition
[20:28] <Pici> *petition


[01:31] <ctrlsoft> ajmitch: Is there some ubuntu equivalent to the NEW queue or incoming?
[01:55] <imbrandon> ctrlsoft, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[01:55] <imbrandon> and s/edgy/dapper/
[01:56] <secretlondon> We need some motu advice re: bug #65451. gnomesword is borked and only compiles with old libraries. the old library has the same name as current library, and other stuff depends on it. what's the protocol for this sort of thing?
[01:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65451 in gnomesword "[UNMETDEPS]  gnomesword has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65451
[01:59] <imbrandon> secretlondon, fix gnomesword to use the new libs ;)
[01:59] <secretlondon> imbrandon: if I was christian, and I could code then maybe..
[02:00] <ajmitch> ctrlsoft: as imbrandon said, but uploads are going into unapproved at the moment, which we can't see
[02:00] <imbrandon> well i dident mean YOU specificly, you asked the proceedure
[02:00] <secretlondon> we wondered whether we should upload the old library with a -old suffix
[02:00] <ajmitch> I did get a mail about bzr-svn going into NEW
[02:00] <secretlondon> imbrandon; ok
[02:01] <imbrandon> secretlondon, no
[02:01] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[02:01] <ajmitch> seems that gnomesword is a popular package to look at these days
[02:01] <secretlondon> imbrandon: ok thanks
[02:01] <ajmitch> I've seen at least 5 different people mention it
[02:01] <pirast> :-P
[02:01] <secretlondon> ajmitch: it's the christian ubuntuista's software program
[02:02] <ajmitch> secretlondon: yes, I find it quite useful
[02:02] <secretlondon> ajmitch : cool
[02:03] <pirast> how can I see which packages depend on skribe?
[02:03] <ajmitch> apt-cache rdepends skribe
[02:03] <ajmitch> or whatever the binary package name is
[02:04] <pirast> ajmitch, thanks
[02:04] <secretlondon> imbrandon: everyone's been speculating for weeks
[02:04] <secretlondon> maybe announced when edgy is released?
[02:04] <ajmitch> I've heard rumours
[02:04] <ajmitch> no more
[02:06] <imbrandon> ajmitch, Riddell and a few others ( canonical employees ? ) know but cant say and like a week ago said he was about to send the email out to the -devel-announce , but it never came accross
[02:06] <imbrandon> soooo /me has just been wondering
[02:06] <secretlondon> we're presuming it's going to be an 'F' - so a theme with F for the release.
[02:07] <secretlondon> my guess is 'flashy' something
[02:07] <ajmitch> my guess is 'feisty', given comments made in -devel
[02:07] <imbrandon> secretlondon, yea thats kinda given ;)
[02:07] <secretlondon> with the talk of eye candy and gadgetry
[02:07] <secretlondon> imbrandon: I think officially we can miss letters out
[02:07] <pirast> ajmitch, does the command also look for build dependencies?
[02:08] <bddebian> No, you have to use something like grep-dctrl for build-deps :-(
[02:08] <ajmitch> pirast: no
[02:08] <secretlondon> I like ferret for the animal ;)
[02:08] <ajmitch> that's not particularly hard though
[02:08] <imbrandon> pirast, no
[02:08] <imbrandon> pirast, apt-cache show <source package>
[02:09] <pirast> re..
[02:09] <imbrandon> pirast, apt-cache show <source package>
[02:09] <secretlondon> re
[02:09] <pirast> k... im just wondering because of bug 65289.. it would be probably the best to remove it from the ubuntu archive since the devs do not fix the problem..
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65289 in skribe "[UNMETDEPS]  not installable, not buildable" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65289
[02:10] <pirast> as long as it does not break anything other..
[02:17] <StevenK> Something else uses skribe.
[02:18] <imbrandon> looks like it just needs a rebuild, checking it now
[02:18] <StevenK> imbrandon: It also said "not buildable"
[02:18] <StevenK> That implies it needs more than just a rebuild.
[02:18] <ajmitch> morning StevenK
[02:18] <StevenK> Er, back
[02:19] <StevenK> It's morning?!
[02:19] <StevenK> Oh, it is.
[02:19] <ajmitch> for you, at least
[02:19] <secretlondon> its 1.20 am here - def morning ;)
[02:19] <StevenK> That's morning.
[02:20] <imbrandon> 7:15 pm for me ;)
[02:20] <secretlondon> cts?
[02:20] <secretlondon> cst?
[02:20] <imbrandon> that would be me , yes
[02:21] <StevenK> 6am flight?
[02:21] <ajmitch> lucky you
[02:22] <imbrandon> yea 6am flight
[02:22] <StevenK> imbrandon: Yeah, but you'll get there the same day. ajmitch and I (if I was going) would be flying over a day.
[02:23] <imbrandon> yea, that kinda sucks
[02:49] <imbrandon> hum i wonder how good celular broadband support is
[02:50] <imbrandon> anyone ever used it in debian/ubuntu ?
[02:50] <secretlondon> like 3g mobile phones?
[02:51] <secretlondon> I'm not sure there is an international standard - mobile phone related stuff seems quite regional
[02:51] <imbrandon> the would be one way yes ( via a usb adapter i'm assuming you mean )
[02:52] <imbrandon> secretlondon, do you normaly go by another name? or have i just not seen you before?
[02:52] <secretlondon> imbrandon: I'm not sure what you meant by "cellular". I think WiMax may be more interesting as it has a larger range than 802.11
[02:52] <secretlondon> this is my normal name. i'm a bug squad person
[02:53] <imbrandon> ajmitch, have time to sponsor a DD upload sometime today ?
[02:53] <secretlondon> i don't normally hang out in -motu
[02:54] <imbrandon> secretlondon, ahh ok no wonder i have never seen you arround, anyhow i ment exactly what i said celular broadband ;) not WiMax
[02:54] <imbrandon> StevenK, haha
[02:55] <secretlondon> imbrandon: which is called different stuff in different countries i think. US English calls mobile phones - cell phones so presuming what is sold here as "3g" I think
[02:56] <secretlondon> imbrandon: I probably should know as I'm a networking student but I don't tbh
[02:56] <imbrandon> well it really has very little to do with cell phones , or even cellular phone networks unless you use the fallback 144k
[02:57] <imbrandon> secretlondon, here is more about what i'm talking about http://www.barefeats.com/mbcd5.html
[02:58] <imbrandon> just fyi
[02:58] <secretlondon> imbrandon: thanks. i was looking in wikipedia with no luck
[03:00] <ajmitch> imbrandon: depends on what it is
[03:00] <imbrandon> apt-mirror ( trivial changes , not the repackageing like i was talking )
[03:01] <imbrandon> not a NMU
[03:01] <ajmitch> I'll consider it :)
[03:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:02] <secretlondon> imbrandon: don't think we have that in the uk. (but i'm not sure what it is exactly).  I just did.
[03:28] <StevenK> Ouch
[03:32] <StevenK> That's going to bleed when my heart beats.
[05:27] <imbrandon> ...
[05:37] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[05:37] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[05:43] <imbrandon> you know, hrm i dont even know how to explain it, but anyone else ever get the feeling that Ian "gets it" be debian as a whole dosent ( atleaste the _loud minority_ )?
[05:43] <imbrandon> s/be/but
[05:48] <imbrandon> see i told you emacs is a OS not a text editor , look it has an IRC Client
[05:56] <BHSPitMonkey> it's more of a desktop shell
[05:56] <BHSPitMonkey>                ^multi-platform
[05:58] <imbrandon> BHSPitMonkey, that was sarcasim ;)
[06:03] <imbrandon> heya elkbuntu
[06:05] <Hobbsee> hey elkbuntu!
[06:05] <elkbuntu> hi :)
[08:21] <imbrandon> ajmitch, so whats that script for? i'm looking at it now
[08:21] <imbrandon> looks like a pbuiler kinda
[08:23] <ajmitch> yes
[08:23] <ajmitch> sbuild, schroot & lvm snapshots
[08:23] <ajmitch> maybe it can be an excuse for me to extend my RAID array & get some slack space for LVM ;)
[08:24] <imbrandon> so whats the advantage over pbuilder
[08:24] <imbrandon> this might be nive to setup on the build machine i have
[08:24] <ajmitch> there are a few differences, and it's often faster
[08:24] <imbrandon> for us to use
[08:24] <ajmitch> siretart can tell you more
[08:24] <imbrandon> if it has advantages
[08:24] <ajmitch> as I said in -devel, I'd like to set this up with xen vm snapshots
[08:25] <Burgundavia> hmm, fracking gmail died
[08:25] <ajmitch> so you can effectively bootup a machine in a couple of seconds
[08:25] <ajmitch> hey Burgundavia
[08:25] <Burgundavia> means not only can I not read my email, I can't even write the UWN
[08:25] <ajmitch> uh oh\
[08:25] <imbrandon> yea
[08:25] <ajmitch> that's not good
[08:25] <imbrandon> that would rock for the x86 arches
[08:26] <imbrandon> ouch
[08:26] <imbrandon> gmail seems ok here Burgundavia whats the issue ?
[08:27] <imbrandon> i just logged in and checked ( as all my mail gets shipped though gmail )
[08:29] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: gmail is very regional
[08:30] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:31] <imbrandon> can you get to it from a proxy ?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> no
[08:33] <imbrandon> ouch
[08:35] <Burgundavia> there we go
[08:35] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[08:35] <ajmitch> jsgotangco!
[08:35] <jsgotangco> hi Burgundavia how are you doing?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> not bad
[08:37] <Burgundavia> fighting with nfs and openldap at work today
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I officially declare that setting up ldap sucks
[08:38] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: of course, we all know that
[08:38] <jsgotangco> well it is quite a bit of work on gnu/linux
[08:38] <Burgundavia> plus there are no good gui tools that run on dapper
[08:39] <Burgundavia> lat is only the half decent one, and it needs edgy's mono
[08:39] <ajmitch> the question is how can it be fixed *right*?
[08:39] <ajmitch> sigh, more tools I didn't know about, which we could have put in edgy :)
[08:39] <Burgundavia> installing openldap needs to ask more questions and then tell you at the end of debconf how to connect to the server
[08:40] <Burgundavia> lat is already in edgy
[08:40] <Burgundavia> lat rocks
[08:40] <ajmitch> oh good
[08:40] <Burgundavia> proposed for 2.18 admin upstream
[08:40] <ajmitch> 1.0.7 in edgy
[08:40] <Burgundavia> ugh, only 1.0.7?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> newest is 1.2
[08:41] <ajmitch> yep
[08:41] <ajmitch> looks like 1.0.7 is fairly recent though
[08:41] <Burgundavia> the 1.0 series is pretty crappy
[08:41] <ajmitch> excellent, the package even follows the CLI policy for mono apps
[08:43] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu needs to say "here is our preferred graphical ldap client"
[08:43] <Burgundavia> one click client side
[08:43] <ajmitch> spec it
[08:43] <Burgundavia> I plan to, this weekend
[08:43] <ajmitch> sure, glare at me..
[08:44] <Burgundavia> you're the one that didn't finish your bloody SoC to make it easy, dammit
[08:44] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: it sounds like a good plan
[08:44] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, I'd be more welcome :)
[08:44] <Burgundavia> heh
[08:44] <Burgundavia> if I didn't love you ajmitch, I wouldn't give you such a hard time
[08:44] <ajmitch> I'm sure
[08:44] <jsgotangco> heh ive been doing a lot of slackware myself lately
[08:45] <jsgotangco> :P
[08:45] <Burgundavia> I need to figure out how to connect my FC4 clients at work to my ldap machine
[08:45] <Burgundavia> sigh, more frakking learnign
[08:45] <ajmitch> I suppose I should hack some more on that code
[08:46] <ajmitch> annoying deadlines at work sucking up time..
[08:46] <Burgundavia> how advanced is tasksel?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> can you do configuration stuff to packages?
[08:47] <ajmitch> not particularly
[08:47] <Burgundavia> ie: instlal openldap and ssl (or something else) and configure them to work together?
[08:47] <ajmitch> the config stuff has to be done in package maintainer scripts, or externally
[08:47] <ajmitch> I went for the external route
[08:48] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:48] <ajmitch> since most of the maintainer scripts did what I wanted
[08:48] <Burgundavia> I want a "directory server" task
[08:48] <ajmitch> so do I :)
[08:48] <Burgundavia> install everything, configure securly, ask me for a password and then tell me to install lat on my desktop
[08:48] <ajmitch> as much as I'd love to have FDS working, it's a nightmare
[08:48] <Burgundavia> everything else would happen via lat
[08:49] <ajmitch> to get it packaged properly would probably mean that FDS is converted to use autotools
[08:49] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:49] <ajmitch> & even then it's a pain
[08:49] <Burgundavia> doesn't FDS have some non-free Java stuff?
[08:49] <Burgundavia> luckily it didn't go throught Novell or it might have some mono stuff alongside that Java
[08:50] <ajmitch> I thought they managed to get the java stuff working with gcj, last I heard
[08:50] <ajmitch> at least it'd run with gcj stuff
[08:50] <ajmitch> I could be quite wrong as usual
[08:51] <Burgundavia> I think FDS is the future of free ldap
[08:51] <ajmitch> it has a lot of potential
[08:51] <Burgundavia> You'll need an http server installed and a Sun Java Runtime Environment.
[08:51] <Burgundavia> http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6310/1/
[08:51] <ajmitch> but it can't be the future in its current state
[08:51] <Burgundavia> no
[08:52] <Burgundavia> it seems like RH has done its initial work and has dropped it
[08:52] <ajmitch> hoping that a community will spring up magically to work on it
[08:53] <Burgundavia> very RH
[08:54] <ajmitch> "Unfortunately, the console does not (yet) build and run with the open source GNU gcj/Classpath java implementation, but we are working on it. We thought that gcc/gcj 4.1 included with Fedora Core 5 would work, but it still has many problems, so your best bet is to use Sun or IBM JRE."
[08:55] <Burgundavia> upsream devel list is mostly bug fixing
[08:55] <Burgundavia> no vision there
[08:56] <Burgundavia> cvs shows activity
[08:56] <ajmitch> yeah, I have cvs checked out
[08:56] <ajmitch> it's not a lot of activity
[08:57] <ajmitch> there's some progress on buidl system stuff
[08:57] <ajmitch> finally
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Mark is working on his shiny landscape stuff
[08:57] <Burgundavia> which he refuses to tell us about
[08:57] <ajmitch> free software development at its best
[08:57] <Burgundavia> ugh
[08:58] <Burgundavia> at least the client must be open source, as it will be part of the defauklt Ubuntu instlal
[08:58] <Burgundavia> although it will be interesting to see what happens with the actual code
[08:58] <ajmitch> hasn't he learnt from the feedback & ideas that come out of openly developing code?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> will they follow policy and put it into dapper-updates
[08:58] <Burgundavia> or will Mark overrule them and change the dapper package directly
[08:58] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> Mark is a very secretive person
[08:59] <ajmitch> most likely -updates
[08:59] <ajmitch> I really hope so
[08:59] <Burgundavia> he likes to be able to surprise people, please he is a little gunshy about preannouncing stuff
[08:59] <Burgundavia> however, yes, he needs to be more open
[08:59] <ajmitch> seems like FDS should have 1.0.3 out soon
[09:00] <ajmitch> reading the recent commits
[09:00] <Burgundavia> very cool
[09:00] <Burgundavia> what does .3 give us?
[09:00] <ajmitch> no idea, it's hard to get an overview from a changelog
[09:01] <Burgundavia> idiots
[09:01] <ajmitch> I'm looking at the cvs2cl output, not any NEWS file
[09:02] <ajmitch> so you can't blame them
[09:02] <Burgundavia> even bigger idiots for not having a NEWS file
[09:02] <Burgundavia> however, here is one issue I see
[09:02] <Burgundavia> currently sudo-ldap is in universe
[09:02] <Burgundavia> it shoudl not be
[09:02] <ajmitch> they probably do have a NEWS file for each module
[09:02] <ajmitch> there's plenty of stuff in universe that shouldn't be
[09:02] <ajmitch> like libnss-ldap
[09:03] <ajmitch> which has had so many problems
[09:03] <Burgundavia> you serious?
[09:03] <ajmitch> quite
[09:03] <Burgundavia> don't I need that for client side ldap stuff?
[09:03] <ajmitch> yes
[09:03] <Burgundavia> crap
[09:03] <ajmitch> but it had 5 RC bugs open in debian until recently
[09:03] <ajmitch> and hung udev, etc
[09:04] <ajmitch> still has issues, I have to change the default bind-policy
[09:04] <Burgundavia> ok, I have lots of spec out
[09:04] <ajmitch> since the debian fix won't work for us - requires newer initscripts
[09:04] <ajmitch> great
[09:04] <Burgundavia> can you email me a list of things you think I need?
[09:04] <ajmitch> I'll probably sit at home drinking that week :)
[09:04] <Burgundavia> or better yet, create some sort of wiki page?
[09:05] <ajmitch> I can look around for some spare time & what's needed
[09:05] <ajmitch> easy part is that the code I wrote has sets of required packages for each auth method :)
[09:06] <Burgundavia> perfect
[09:06] <ajmitch> of course libnss-ldap didn't want to cooperate there & still needed to throw up debconf questions inside my app
[09:07] <Burgundavia> can I just reup the network auth stuff for the client side?
[09:07] <Burgundavia> the spec, that is
[09:07] <ajmitch> do what you want with it
[09:08] <ajmitch> someone will probably decide what way it should be implemented for edgy+1, my code probably won't be it
[09:08] <Burgundavia> please edit that spec with as much info as you have
[09:08] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: are you going to mtv?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> links to your code, pitfalls, etc.
[09:08] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: work and I are negotiating
[09:08] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:08] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: are you?
[09:09] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: can't afford it
[09:10] <jsgotangco> aww
[09:16] <Burgundavia> come this time next year, I think I should be in the position to sponsor at least one person to conference
[09:17] <Burgundavia> given my fetish for all things adminy, don't be surprised if I choose somebody who can do that kind of stuff
[09:17] <ajmitch> depends where it is
[09:18] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:19] <jsgotangco> userful sponsoring someone to fix something for them to sell?
[09:19] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:19] <Burgundavia> Maintainer: Andrew Hodgkinson (Sr. Software Engineer<EMAIL_ADDRESS><-- things I thought I would never see
[09:19] <ajmitch> yeah, that was funny
[09:19] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: the world changes rapidly
[09:19] <Burgundavia> this time next year I hope to have a Fedora free office
[09:20] <ajmitch> by this time next year, I have no idea what I'll be doing :)
[09:20] <jsgotangco> well the world is flat anyways, some people will bite that offer
[09:20] <Burgundavia> colleague of mine just rippped out 100 Ubuntu thin clients and installed 100 DiscoverStations
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Yakima Valley, WA
[09:21] <ajmitch> what reasons?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> not certain
[09:21] <Burgundavia> think admin was tired of dealing with it
[09:21] <ajmitch> probably to do with admin stuff
[09:21] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[09:21] <ajmitch> somewhere that we know ubuntu sucks
[09:21] <Burgundavia> I need to get him on the phone
[09:22] <imbrandon> mcs /out:ktunes.exe *.cs /r:System.Windows.Forms.dll /r:System.Drawing.dll
[09:22] <jsgotangco> what for? have him reconsider?
[09:22] <imbrandon> err
[09:22] <imbrandon> whoops
[09:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: impressive
[09:22] <Burgundavia> no, to find out what things sucked, specifically
[09:23] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:23] <jsgotangco> im going to do some work
[09:23] <jsgotangco> bbl
[09:23] <imbrandon> ajmitch, heh not really
[09:26] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: so apart from a few packages in main, what do you really want? :)
[09:26] <imbrandon> bah, i'm going to bed, nuff fighting with qt c# bindings for one night
[09:27] <imbrandon> gnight all
[09:27] <ajmitch> night imbrandon
[09:27] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: glue, lots and lots of glue
[09:27] <Burgundavia> we need to first match AD as of W2K
[09:28] <ajmitch> that's a 2-3 year task at least to get all the tools & integration
[09:28] <Burgundavia> lets figure out what needs to be done and break it out into little tasks
[09:29] <ajmitch> seems like you've got a few good notes from boston
[09:30] <Burgundavia> Novell is about to do a bunch in GNOME
[09:30] <ajmitch> even simple things like preconfiguration of clients on install
[09:30] <Burgundavia> I think the process can be made massively parallel
[09:31] <Burgundavia> I disagree about the 2-3 year timeframe
[09:31] <ajmitch> I think 2-3 years can be optimistic for the details
[09:31] <ajmitch> the bulk of the work can be done in less
[09:32] <ajmitch> but it's only when you're using everything together & run into the corner cases that you get the details down
[09:33] <Burgundavia> right
[09:33] <Burgundavia> we can't afford to take 2-3 years todo this stuff
[09:33] <Burgundavia> admin stuff is murdering us in the enterprise space
[09:34] <Burgundavia> now, of course, admin stuff is killing jsut about everybody
[09:34] <ajmitch> we're missing stuff that even NT4 could do well
[09:34] <Burgundavia> that is the sad part
[09:34] <Burgundavia> I don't see anybody really building a community around their admin stuff
[09:35] <ajmitch> isn't that what Ubuntu is meant to be about? :)
[09:35] <ajmitch> community & all that?
[09:35] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:36] <ajmitch> Ubuntu is conspicuous that there just aren't the upstream developers employed by canonical
[09:36] <ajmitch> unlike novell or RH
[09:39] <Burgundavia> dave camp was giving jdub crap about that in Boston
[09:39] <ajmitch> so I heard
[09:39] <ajmitch> hello daniel
[09:41] <dholbach> hi Andrew
[09:41] <dholbach> just popped in to change my password, as some idiot used my nick in #ubuntu yesterday
[09:41] <ajmitch> yes, I saw that, I was worried about it..
[09:41] <dholbach> and gnomefreak banned my hostmask and all :-)
[09:41] <dholbach> about my sanity? ;)
[09:41] <ajmitch> I was hoping that it was actually you now :)
[09:41] <dholbach> hehe
[09:42] <ajmitch> no, that your box wasn't compromised
[09:42] <dholbach> at 1 utc all my boxes were turned off
[09:42] <ajmitch> ok :)
[09:43] <Burgundavia> ok, firefox has a nasty memory leak with gmail
[09:43] <Burgundavia> epiphany was using 300 of resident memory
[09:43] <Burgundavia> MB, that is
[09:46] <Burgundavia> well, my inbox is clean and my UWN queue is full
[09:46] <Burgundavia> time for me to sleep
[09:46] <ajmitch> night Burgundavia
[09:47] <dholbach> OK fellas see you around!
[09:47] <ajmitch> you away for the weekend?
[09:47] <ajmitch> ok :)
[09:47] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeee :-)
[09:47] <ajmitch> bye dholbach
[10:59] <siretart> morning
[10:59] <siretart> ah, sbuild + lvm snapshot rocks. :)
[11:02] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[11:02] <ajmitch> do you know if the xen support is there yet?
[11:02] <ajmitch> yay, f-spot built on powerpc (debian)
[11:02] <ajmitch> soon I can stop getting the bugs about it being broken in testing
[11:10] <siretart> ajmitch: I don't think so.
[11:11] <siretart> ajmitch: In fact, I'm not that impressed by xen anymore. compared to the work you need to setup lvm+schroot+sbuild, xen setup seems to me not appropriate
[11:11] <siretart> ajmitch: but I'm comparing pines with apples, I know
[11:14] <siretart> ajmitch: but seriously. how should a build environment work with xen? sbuild/pbuilder mounting the volume, preparing boot scripts which build the package and shutdown the machine again?
[11:15] <ajmitch> starting a xen snapshot vm, then clearing it
[11:15] <siretart> ajmitch: I could imagine setting up wanna-build in dom0 and buildd in the domUs
[11:15] <ajmitch> I'm not sure how the build source gets copied in - probably with some native host fs
[11:16] <ajmitch> iwj has some scripts for using xen with autopkgtest
[11:17] <ajmitch> with a chroot, you can bind mount, but a xen domain is fully self-contained
[11:21] <siretart> that scripts could be useful, indeed
[11:22] <siretart> but honestly, for me, I'm pretty sold with sbuild+schroot
[11:22] <siretart> it would be great if I could somehow make it work with i386 chroots on amd64
[11:22] <ajmitch> I'd be happy getting sbuild+schroot setup
[11:23] <ajmitch> except I have no spare LVM space at the moment :)
[11:23] <siretart> thats easy :)
[11:23] <ajmitch> unless I put it on loopback
[11:23] <siretart> you can also use tarballs
[11:23] <siretart> then you'll have something similar to pbuilder
[11:23] <ajmitch> yep
[11:23] <ajmitch> and what's the point of that?
[11:23] <ajmitch> why would I choose sbuild over pbuilder?
[11:23] <ajmitch> since I have pbuilder working now :)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: until it breaks
[11:25] <ajmitch> she's so friendly
[11:26] <Hobbsee> indeed :)
[11:28] <siretart> ok, I'm off to my parents, see you later this afternoon
[11:28] <ajmitch> bye siretart, have a good day
[11:31] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: libpam-krb5 got accepted ;)
[11:31] <tepsipakki> 2.4-1 that is
[11:32] <ajmitch> yep
[11:37] <babo> Hi guys
[12:17] <kristog> hello
[12:53] <zakame> hi all
[12:53] <ajmitch> hi
[12:56] <zakame> yo ajmitch
[12:56] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[12:56] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[12:57] <zakame> here I am, just figured out how to get irc access via a socks-acting ssh proxy
[12:57] <ajmitch> yay :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> at work?
[12:57] <zakame> release is on the 26th, right? :)
[12:57] <zakame> no, at the mall
[12:59] <ajmitch> yep, on the 26th sometime
[01:00] <zakame> hmm should start planning for the release-party then :)
[01:00] <zakame> heh I should haveplanned for that earlier
[01:53] <ajmitch> night all
[01:54] <phanatic> night ajmitch
[03:50] <siretart> hm. I hope sistpoty does find me...
[04:00] <lfittl> hmm, do I need permisson to upload bug fixes to universe now because of RC freeze? And if yes, who should I talk to?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> lfittl: yes and no - ajmitch, etc, will ask you when they see the upload, usually.  if it's got a bug number in the changelog, it's good
[04:03] <lfittl> Hobbsee: ok, thanks
[04:44] <siretart> Revu is going down for maintenance now
[05:27] <steveire> hey. Do new packages ever get added to universe or is it just for updating packages?
[05:28] <steveire> I'm thinking edgy here.
[05:29] <tseng> new packages arent particuarly likely to be added at this point
[05:29] <tseng> in a few weeks they could be added to edgy+1
[05:29] <beligum> revu site down?
[05:29] <steveire> I thought that's what universe was for. Is universe just for updates?
[05:29] <steveire> And not new packages?
[05:29] <tseng> edgy (including universe) is frozen
[05:30] <tseng> it is for packages that are not given the same level of support as main
[05:30] <tseng> after a certain point we stop adding things
[05:30] <tseng> focus on fixing bugs
[05:31] <steveire> ok, cheers. Is there any way the latest version of k3dsurf would get into universe?
[05:32] <tseng> not in edgy
[05:32] <tseng> release is in 2 weeks
[05:34] <lophyte> !seen superm1
[05:34] <ubotu> I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 20h 59m 18s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[05:47] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:47] <lophyte> hey :)
[05:48] <bddebian> Hello lophyte
[05:50] <Adri2000> beligum: siretart said it was going down for maintenance
[05:50] <beligum> ic, thx
[05:50] <lfittl> hey bddebian
[05:51] <bddebian> Hi lfittl
[05:58] <beligum> Is it normal that the packages-database reading takes ages when apt-getting something?
[06:06] <siretart> status update: sistpoty and me are currently upgrading revu's postgresql from version 7.4 to 8.1
[06:06] <Q-FUNK> oho
[06:09] <siretart> things looking good so far
[06:09] <siretart> please don't use revu yet, we want to reboot the machine for kernel upgrade in about 1h
[07:12] <Dominus_Suus> is this where I come to report a problem with a supported package?
[07:16] <superm1> Dominus_Suus, you should file a bug on launchpad
[07:16] <superm1> or at least search and see if one is filed yet.  if not, then you should file one :)
[07:16] <Dominus_Suus> well the bug has been fixed upstream
[07:17] <superm1> is it a new version? or just a patch to a current version
[07:18] <Dominus_Suus> I'll be more specific - poppler has a problem in its pdftohtml program that produces a blank output.  This problem has been fixed in version 0.5.4 but Dapper still uses the buggy 0.5.1
[07:19] <superm1> Well in order to get in then, a UVFe bug will have to be filed
[07:19] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[07:19] <Dominus_Suus> thanks
[07:19] <superm1> follow the procedure ther
[07:19] <superm1> if you have any questions about the procedure, we'd be glad to help you through it
[07:20] <Dominus_Suus> thanks, superm1, that's great
[07:47] <siretart> ok. tiber's dead. didn't survive the kernel reboot.
[08:18] <giskard> LALALA :)
[08:19] <giskard> bddebian, ajmitch  :)
[08:42] <Q-FUNK> What was the item I needed to attend the CC meeting for, again?
[08:42] <Q-FUNK> Approval to some team, I think, but I forgot which one.
[08:43] <giskard> Q-FUNK, no, you have to put yourself in the next CC agenda
[08:43] <giskard> and you have to find someone who can speak for you
[08:44] <giskard> someone == UbuntuMember
[09:24] <Toadstool> siretart: tiber still down?
[09:25] <siretart> Toadstool: I need to contact an admin. We tried to boot a new kernel, but the machine didn't come up
[09:26] <Toadstool> uhuh
[09:33] <siretart> Toadstool: yeah :/
[09:34] <siretart> if someone knows how to contact hno73, please tell me
[09:52] <ajmitch> morning
[10:46] <Dominus_Suus> superm1, are you still there?
[10:47] <superm1> yea
[10:47] <superm1> whats up?
[10:49] <Dominus_Suus> the poppler bug that I was talking about has already been filed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/41758.  I added a comment mentioning the updated package.  Should I post a message to the mailing list asking someone to take up the project?
[10:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41758 in poppler "pdftohtml in popper-utils 0.5.1-0ubuntu6 doesn't work at all." [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:50] <Dominus_Suus> it should be a fairly simple process, and it looks like they're already adding the updated package to Edgy...
[10:51] <superm1> give me a moment to pull up the bug.  my machine is crawling as i'm compiling something, running something in VMWare and doing some other stuff. :)
[10:51] <Dominus_Suus> flipping hackers - all the processing power in the world and no clue what to do with it :-P
[10:54] <superm1> Well if this newer version is already in edgy, have you tested the edgy version?
[10:54] <superm1> i would say the best bet is to file a backport request on LP to get it pulled back into dapper
[10:55] <superm1> and for now locally, you can grab edgy sources
[10:55] <superm1> and build then in dapper using prevu or a dapper pbuilder locally
[10:55] <Dominus_Suus> not as such - I downloaded the 0.5.4 package directly onto my machine and it works
[10:55] <Dominus_Suus> *from the poppler website
[10:55] <superm1> ah
[10:55] <Dominus_Suus> where do they keep the .deb files - do I have to load the repository?
[10:56] <superm1> Well, i'll do this.  i'll grab the sources for the edgy version and run it through a dapper pbuilder
[10:56] <superm1> if it comes out okay, then I can file a backport request for you ok?
[10:56] <superm1> and i can post up the debs for you to use somewhere in the meanwhil
[10:57] <Dominus_Suus> that would be great, thank you!  In general, where would I file a backport request?
[10:58] <superm1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=153402
[10:59] <superm1> That post should describe the backports project and how it works
[11:00] <Dominus_Suus> super, thank you again!
[11:12] <superm1> Dominus_Suus,  are you by chance on amd64? I just realized I am locally building amd64 :)
[11:18] <superm1> Dominus_Suus, bug 66168 if you would like to follow progress.
[11:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66168 in dapper-backports "Update poppler to resolve pdf2html problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66168
[11:19] <Dominus_Suus> oohh, thanks - no, I'm on a 586
[11:20] <superm1> Ok. well it'll be  a little bit then for me to build for x86 too.
[11:22] <Dominus_Suus> sorry, I'm still learning how to use make and it'll be a while before I get around to learning .deb packaging
[11:23] <superm1> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is a good start to learn about packaging
[11:23] <shawarma> Does anyone know why user-mode-linux is not in edgy?
[11:24] <Dominus_Suus> hehe, thanks superm1... I'm still trying to get to the bottom of my Safari reading list... it'll probably take years :-D
[11:50] <superm1> Dominus_Suus, do you want me to CTCP to you or how?
[12:05] <Dominus_Suus> superm - CTCP is fine... if there's a link on the packages/archives/repositories page I can take that too
[12:06] <superm1> well my repository is a mess right now, i'm not gonna put it up there right now. i'll ctcp then
[12:06] <Dominus_Suus> thank you so much for your help
[12:06] <superm1> Not a propblem
[12:07] <pirast> anyone here who wants to apply two debdiffs to edgy?
[12:08] <superm1> Dominus_Suus, are you seeing my offer for sending the file?
[12:09] <Dominus_Suus> I'm in Gaim and I just accepted it
[12:09] <superm1> timed out....
[12:09] <Dominus_Suus> reattempt?
[12:09] <superm1> are you on anyhting else right now too, aim, msn ,yahoo?
[12:09] <superm1> i can send on there
[12:09] <Dominus_Suus> I'm on MSN
[12:10] <Dominus_Suus> I can switch into XIRC
[12:10] <superm1> well however you want to do.  i have an old msn account i can jump on in gaim
[12:10] <Dominus_Suus><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:11] <Dominus_Suus> that was really quick :-P
[12:11] <superm1> well hopefully this goes thru :)
[12:11] <Dominus_Suus> oh, what's the problem now...
[12:12] <superm1> okay hmm..... that an email address?
[12:12] <superm1> i'll email it
[12:12] <Dominus_Suus> yep
[12:12] <superm1> ok


[05:42] <ichihi> elacheche, We are determined not to meet :)
[08:20] <elacheche> lool ichihi :D x) You know, it's hard to have a one time slot to be online during Ramadhan :)
[08:21] <elacheche> Morning folks
[08:21] <ichihi> :)
[08:21] <ichihi> elacheche, I have a friend who is looking for a team lead sysadmin role in Tunis.  Do you know someone?
[08:25] <elacheche> ichihi: I have some names in mind, but I have no idea if they're looking for new opportunity or not.. I can share the names in private if you like
[08:26] <ichihi> elacheche, please do.  The role expect the candidate to supervise a small team of Windows and Linux sysadmins.
[08:32] <elacheche> ichihi: PM :)


[12:55] <otubo> Odd_Bloke, I figured I could remove fstab writing safely from those tests. Not sure why I kept them... Anyways, they're still wrong please let me know. I really need to pick up the pace on these pytest stuff
[14:31] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/511/checks?check_run_id=924499934 ;  the status on the PR page isn't syncing with travis;, when I click through to the 'queued' jobs; they're all green.
[15:37] <rcj> This question is a follow-up to discussions about a grub regression in #ubuntu-release...
[15:37] <rcj> Odd_Bloke: Can you think of other distros that need to know about this because they use cloud-init?  deb-based distros can be affected but is there something similar for the rpm-based folks?
[15:38] <rcj> The issue is summarized @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/GRUB2SecureBootBypass#Existing_Cloud_.2F_MAAS_instances_may_fail_reboot
[15:52] <Odd_Bloke> rcj: There isn't a specific module that does anything along these lines for anything but dpkg-based distros, and "grub" does not appear in cloudinit/distros/* (so it isn't implemented in there either).
[15:53] <Odd_Bloke> So I think this is just Debian derivatives.
[16:01] <rcj> Okay, thx.  Otherwise I'd ping some other folks.


[05:16] <bradm> head_victim: you about?
[07:30] <head_victim> bradm: sorry was sleeping
[07:30] <bradm> head_victim: no worries, I'm about to finish up for the day
[07:30] <head_victim> Oh right, the mailing list, that's you.
[07:30] <bradm> head_victim: I replied to your RT ticket, was just wondering of the lists you found that worked had SPF or something
[07:30] <head_victim> No worries mate.
[07:31] <head_victim> Well launchpad works
[07:31] <head_victim> Not sure what they use.
[07:31] <head_victim> Ausnog works as well.
[07:32] <bradm> if you can let me know what mailing lists work I can go from there - a pastebin of the full headers would be even more awesome :)
[07:32] <head_victim> Ok no worries mate, will do. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed it at all to be honest as no one has said anythng.
[07:33] <bradm> I've replicated it, so I can see that it happens
[07:33] <bradm> anyway, just let me know, I'm heading out of here for a bit
[07:34] <head_victim> Well I'll get you full headers of 2 that work and 2 that don't. More than willing to help out with data just I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what I need to give you without being promped.
[07:34] <head_victim> Cool have a good one


[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78739 in findutils (main) "locate command broken.  Bad perms on /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78739
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78740 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "nvidia twinview garbage second monitor" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78740
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78742 in tct (universe) "/usr/bin/timeout doesn't reflect exit code of launched commandline" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78742
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78741 in Ubuntu "menu.lst was changed during Ubuntu upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78741
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78744 in evolution (main) "Birthday in Contacts is wrongly auto-adjusted +100 years" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78744
[01:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78745 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Please turn on CONFIG_EDD=m" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78745
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78746 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel 2.6.20 source includes out of date cloop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78746
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78747 in pcsx (universe) "pcsx crash when scph1001 extracted to folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78747
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78749 in abntex (universe) "Abntex depends on TeTeX, can't build using TeXlive." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78749
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78458 in malone "quoted phrase search has false positives (dup-of: 56244)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78458
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78750 in xgammon (universe) "Please sync xgammon 0.99.1128-2.1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78750
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78751 in survex (universe) "Please sync survex <IP_ADDRESS>-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78751
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78752 in gnome-session (main) "Just installed ubuntu 6.10.  First logged in, got error message and returned to login screen.  Logged in again, and got crash report." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78752
[04:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78753 in straw (universe) "merge straw 0.26.dsfg.1-2.1 from Debain unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78753
[04:28] <DarkMageZ> is there some documentation for getting traces of X crashes?
[04:29] <somerville32> Ok
[04:29] <somerville32> err..
[04:29] <somerville32> yes.
[04:29] <somerville32> !debugging
[04:29] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[04:31] <DarkMageZ> oh yeah, i forgot about those terminals @ ctrl+alt+1
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78754 in rawstudio (universe) "Please sync rawstudio 0.4.1+20070108-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78754
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71917 in heartbeat (main) "ping_group does not work" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71917
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78755 in xorg (main) "X Does Not Start From Installation CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78755
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78756 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "gnome-volume-manager-gthumb stopped working in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78756
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78757 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu 6.10 CD Typo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78757
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78758 in gedit (main) "Gedit crashed no open text documents" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78758
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78759 in ubiquity (main) "installer crash on hd2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78759
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78761 in metacity (main) "metacity crashes at random" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78761
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78763 in Ubuntu "Application freeze and system lag with 'About me' selection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78763
[08:55] <dholbach> good morning
[09:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:02] <dholbach> seems like hobbsee had a good day until now :)
[09:02] <dholbach> heya
[09:02] <Hobbsee> dholbach: how so?
[09:03] <dholbach> you were ":)" smiling :)
[09:03] <dholbach> sfllaw: when is the next hug day?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ahh.  yes, apart from my connection being dropped out constantly, and someone talking over and over to me saying that ubuntu and MOTU is crap...etc.
[09:05] <Hobbsee> apart from that, it's been fun
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78764 in gnome-power "GPM systray: UPS icons can't be found" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78764
[09:12] <dholbach> hey mvo
[09:13] <mvo> hey dholbach
[09:14] <Hobbsee> mvo!!!
[09:15] <mvo> hey hobbsee!
[09:15] <Hobbsee> :D
[09:17] <mvo> Hobbsee: about your question from yesterday, I think for libdvdcss2 we prefer getting it from a repository. I'm not sure about debian-multimedia tought because it seems to carry a lot of other packages as welll
[09:17] <mvo> so they may not really play well together
[09:17] <Hobbsee> mvo: right
[09:17] <mvo> best would be ubuntu-multimedia hosted somehwere in the free world
[09:17] <Hobbsee> mvo: so the docs need to be changed, then
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hrm.  got any swiss hosters or something?  i hear malaysia's also pretty good for that
[09:18] <mvo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs is the doc that everybody uses?
[09:20] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:20] <Hobbsee> mvo: yep, taht's it.
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78768 in quintuple-agent (universe) "merge 1.0.4-9 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78768
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78769 in gaim (main) "Gaim Crash (msn_session_finish_login)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78769
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78772 in xorg-server (main) "memory leak in xorg i810 of 6.06?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78772
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78774 in sip-qt3 (universe) "Broken packages : python2.3-sip-qt3 and python2.3-sip-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78774
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78775 in ubiquity (main) "Xubuntu Installer Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78775
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78776 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78776
[11:55] <a7p> if a bug was fixed by gnome 2.16.1, should it be set to rejected or to fix released?
[11:57] <DarkMageZ> if the package they are refering to was updated and you know it is actually fixed. then fix released.
[11:57] <persia> a7p: Fix released, and it is worth noting which package version fixed it.
[12:00] <a7p> oki, thanks
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78777 in debian-installer (main) "amd64/expert install fails to boot (no root fs)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78777
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78778 in ubiquity (main) "ubiquity crash on 'use entire disk'" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78778
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78779 in kmldonkey (universe) "kmldonkey should not have mldonkey-server as a dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78779
[12:44] <heno> Does anyone happen to have the URL for a the bug where you have to power cycle after booting down the Live CD?
[12:44] <heno> It says press Enter, but nothing happens
[12:45] <heno> I'm just trying to encourage the testers working in http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=335647
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78781 in cupsys (main) "Printing is very slow and causes high cpu usage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78781
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78782 in gnome-utils (main) "mounted drive not visible to other users besides 'root'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78782
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78783 in xorg (main) "Disabling and re-enabling DPMS doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78783
[01:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78784 in kdegames (main) "kbounce crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78784
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78785 in hw-detect (main) "tries to modprobe i82365 a gazillion times" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78785
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78786 in firefox (main) "firefox using over 90% of CPU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78786
[01:58] <kiko> fix for bug 78786: "upgrade your 286"
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78786 in firefox "firefox using over 90% of CPU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78786
[02:00] <Lutin> lol
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78787 in kdebase (main) "localisation (language) problem in Kubuntu Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78787
[02:01] <persia> That's not really fair.  The 286 didn't even have a working MMU.
[02:02] <kiko> persia, well, it had AN MMU, but its VM capabilities were somewhat deficient
[02:02] <kiko> however
[02:03] <kiko> it was the most horrible hack of a processor design known to man at the time
[02:07] <kiko> well you had the 486sx afterwards which was pretty gross
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78789 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu 6.10 Installer (from Live CD) crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78789
[02:20] <kiko> being a dx with the FPU on-die but disabled
[02:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78791 in score-reading-trainer (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync score-reading-trainer (0.1.3-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78791
[02:34] <dholbach> who was planning to go to the mozillateam foundation meeting?
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78793 in scigraphica (universe) "no text/font in scigraphica" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78793
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78795 in Ubuntu "pls add possibility to postpone fscheck at boottime" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78795
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78797 in ubiquity (main) "Live CD installation fails at step6 - partition " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78797
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78796 in ubiquity (main) "Live CD installation fails at step6 - partition " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78796
[03:48] <bddebian> Boo
[03:49] <ompaul> feh -boo | grep no-sense
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78801 in Ubuntu "Problem mounting a partition while booting right after installing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78801
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78802 in gaim (main) "apport-gtk crash after gaim crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78802
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78804 in acpi-support (main) "Modules load/unload system doesn't suffice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78804
[04:50] <sfllaw> dholbach: Next wednesday.
[04:50] <dholbach> nice
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78805 in a2mp3 (universe) "a2mp3 violates Ubuntu naming policy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78805
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78806 in pure-ftpd (universe) "Charset options missing in pure-ftpd-wrapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78806
[04:50] <sfllaw> We'll try to get the interns in on it.
[04:50] <dholbach> ROCK :-)
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78807 in a2mp3 (universe) "Silly debian/copyright" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78807
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78808 in rpy (universe) "Rpy Couldn't obtain R version number from output" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78808
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78809 in firefox (main) "Randomly crashing (SIGSEGV/SIGPIPE)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78809
[05:18] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69287 in powernowd (main) "powernowd uses "performance" as default scaling governor" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69287
[05:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78810 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu Herd 2 -- x86 (32bits) Desktop CD BAD install failure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78810
[05:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78811 in kdebase (main) "CAN'T UMOUNT REMOVABLE MEDIA" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78811
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78812 in lastfm (universe) "crashed when imputting artist into search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78812
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78814 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashes in feisty--cdimage--1/11/07" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78814
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78813 in libgnomeui (main) "Ubuntu crashes since last update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78813
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78815 in memprof (main) "removed ffrom feisty?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78815
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78816 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "trying to put a url in the "add extension" dialog crashed thunderbird" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78816
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78818 in nvu (universe) "Nvu crashes when editing source" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78818
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78819 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "toshiba_acpi module is changed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78819
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78820 in vlc (universe) "vlc crash whit shoutcast" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78820
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78821 in totem (main) "totem-mozilla-viewer process failed to crash with host application" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78821
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78822 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "airo wifi driver defaults to "tsunami" essid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78822
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78823 in obconf (universe) "obconf doesn't work in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78823
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78824 in firefox (main) "Application crashes on page refresh" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78824
[07:28] <tristanbob> is it best to do feature request as a bug or a specification?
[07:29] <tristanbob> I have an idea how to make the Nautilus "Connect to server" also support Novell Netware servers
[07:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78825 in Ubuntu "Firefox 2.0 Ubuntu 6.10 crashes logging in to certain websites " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78825
[08:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78826 in wine (universe) "[Backport]  Please backport wine 0.9.29 to edgy and dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78826
[08:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78827 in Ubuntu "Can we please get ubuntulog in #ubuntu-mozilla" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78827
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78828 in Ubuntu "wrong colors in video display" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78828
[08:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69331 in human-icon-theme (main) "Open folder icon cannot be stretched without blurring." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69331
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78830 in 915resolution (universe) "lcd is set to "expand" when installing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78830
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78839 in evince-gtk (main) "Printing to file with GTK+ dialogue (ie in Evince) not contain PDF-option and other features" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78839
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78841 in Ubuntu "System crashes if disconnected from network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78841
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78843 in Ubuntu "acx111 does not work on feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78843
[09:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78842 in xorg (main) "Kubuntu Feisty Fawn don't find my screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78842
[09:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78844 in Ubuntu "No login window.  System-Login Window-password  window-enter password-Login Widow flash-then nothing. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78844
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78846 in evolution (main) "Scrabled Letter when adding name with foriegn characters to email list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78846
[09:48] <somerville32> sfllaw, ping
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78847 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed kubuntu daily-live 20070111 i386" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78847
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78848 in hal (main) "LUKS removable volume not mounted automatically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78848
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78849 in ltsp (main) "ltsp-admin missing from package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78849
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78850 in Ubuntu ""About Ubuntu" crashes when opened (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78850
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78851 in ubiquity (main) "Ubiquity fails during partitioning in Feisty 1.10.07" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78851
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78852 in xmms (main) "keyboard shortcuts and signals" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78852
[10:55] <TheMuso> c
[10:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78854 in Ubuntu "[Edgy]  Upgradability broken when removing one of the included apps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78854
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76577 in dict-bouvier (universe) "Please sync dict-bouvier (universe) from Debian (dup-of: 76092)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76577
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78855 in Ubuntu "[feisty]  usb disk mounting quirky" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78855
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78858 in kdepim (main) "dcop kaddressbook KAddressBookIface importVCard file:///vcard.vcf fails silently" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78858
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78856 in kdebase (main) "kdesktop in ltr in hebrew" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78856
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78857 in firefox (main) "Cierre sbito del navegador cuando iniciaba una descarga" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78857
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78859 in Ubuntu "exaile: Select information on track from playlist crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78859
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78860 in Ubuntu "Open source nvidia driver crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78860
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78861 in mono (main) "Crashreport on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78861
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78862 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "automatically mounts created file systems on live CD" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78862
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78863 in Ubuntu "Feisty Herd 1 alternate CD: aic94xx not recognised" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78863
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78864 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox downloads the wrong lyrics [edgy] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78864