[11:57] <penguin42> this laptop really really runs it's fan a lot on +1
[13:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[20:12] <martin__> hi all, i have a question regarding kubuntu 14.04 daily builds
[20:12] <martin__> let's say i install the daily build now and will use apt to update to my system
[20:13] <martin__> in april, will i end up with identical system as the that will be released?
[20:13] <BluesKaj> martin__. yes
[20:14] <martin__> perfect. thanks for info
[20:14] <BluesKaj> martin__. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ , this shows the current state of apps in the daily build
[20:23] <martin__> BluesKaj. thanks, i am downloading already. have you already tried those?
[20:29] <BluesKaj> martin__. not this OS , I installed 13.10 to a separate partition from the daily build and it's running just fine , as is 14.04 which i sed upgraded when the chainloader was uploaded
[20:33] <martin__> good to hear that.
[20:36] <BluesKaj> KDE is turning out to be a saviour for many former unity users as well. Unity has it's good aspects , but KDE is more flexible in many ways from what I've been told. I tried for a couple of weeks , just not my cuppa tea
[20:36] <BluesKaj> tried unity , that is
[20:37] <Beldar> never like kubuntu, but I did not start on windows
[20:37] <Beldar> liked
[20:41] <genii> One of the best things about Linux is that, if you don't like your desktop environment, you can keep trying others until you find what you like.
[20:44] <Beldar> yeah and about 50 to choose from
[20:53] <BluesKaj> I'm an old windows guy and KDE was more familiar to me as a desktop than the cartooney looking gnome desktops of the past , and i just stuck with the" KDE Look" due to it's easy and flexible configuration
[20:55] <ianorlin> if I am testing a lubuntu iso in virtualbox the hardware profile I chose is of the virtual machine right?


[10:25] <adrien> is it possible to create a git-ubuntu-style commit from the beginning? I can't track the history-rewrite that git-ubuntu merge does and most often only need to author a single commit
[10:33] <schopin> adrien: I think you'd be better off explaining what your end-goal is and what are the issues you're seeing with "tracking the history-rewrite"? Because as it is I can't make sense of your question :/
[10:34] <schopin> If only need to to author a single commit, why are you talking about merges? You should just commit on top of ubuntu/devel and post that as a MP (I believe that'd be `git ubuntu submit`)
[10:35] <adrien> right; context is https://code.launchpad.net/~adrien-n/ubuntu/+source/gnutls28/+git/gnutls28/+merge/458092
[10:35] <adrien> how should one do: "Also, I didn't sponsor this in git-ubuntu style, as the commit(s) do not match that structure (d/changelog and logical changes as part of the same commit). You could consider splitting it for git-ubuntu in the future."
[10:35] <adrien> purely by hand?
[10:38] <sudip> adrien: I think the problem was that you only had one commit. you should have done the change as a separate commit and d/changelog as separate commit
[10:38] <schopin> Well we're not expecting you to craft the blob, tree and commit object files by hand, but e.g. `git add debian/conf/config; git commit; git add debian/changelog; git commit -m "changelog"`. It does indeed make merging easier.
[10:41] <adrien> I'm almost fine doing that by hand due to typos and that's also quite obvious but it's really not mentioned anywhere I think and coupled with the fact that git-ubuntu is sometimes quite opaque, it became something I never tried
[10:42] <adrien> I'll try it next, thanks (well, I'll script on top of g-u I guess)
[12:30] <philroche> Are there any core devs able to review https://code.launchpad.net/~toabctl/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs-1/+merge/459010  ?. This fixes a regression in livecd-rootfs and all new Jammy cloud images - bug defined @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/2049860. I have upload rights but a condition is that I get a core dev approval before uploading
[12:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2049860 in cloud-images "cloud-init cloud-config for ssh broken in jammy" [High, In Progress]
[12:40] <philroche> request cancelled :) utkarsh has uploaded
[12:45] <philroche> tjaalton vorlon As SRU vanguards today. Can you help accept `2.765.36` Jammy in to -proposed ? To address https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/2049860
[12:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2049860 in cloud-images "cloud-init cloud-config for ssh broken in jammy" [High, In Progress]
[12:46] <philroche> Ah sorry I need to move this request to #ubuntu-release
[14:18] <adrien> is "git ubuntu style" defined somewhere? or alternatively, how can I check that what I produce is correct?
[15:17] <rbasak> adrien: there isn't a style as such. What are you trying to avoid? MP comments telling you to change style? Or rich history not being adopted or something else?
[15:17] <rbasak> adrien: one thing that comes to mind is that we try to keep changes to debian/changelog and that kind of thing in separate commits, but that's not mandatory - that's only to make cherry-picking easier.
[15:19] <rbasak> Although, having said that, if you're doing a "package merge", then people who use the workflow are much more specific about the method used and the steps presented. Not because it's strictly technically necessary, but because it's not practical to review someone else's merge without completely redoing it _unless_ our method is used.
[15:19] <rbasak> That method is defined at
[15:19] <rbasak> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-maintainers-handbook/blob/main/PackageMerging.md
[15:24] <adrien> thanks; I was never on the reviewer side so I didn't know that
[15:25] <adrien> as for style, I'd like to follow good practice but git ubuntu merge is pretty heavy and it seems there's far fewer stuff needed when history is already rich but that's where I'm looking for details
[15:26] <adrien> for instance, what are rules for the commit message for the logical commits?
[15:34] <schopin> Pretty much the same contents as what you'd want to see in the changelog, that way you can use stuff like gbp dch.
[15:41] <rbasak> philroche: in bug 1968873, perhaps verification-failed-focal is more appropriate if you are confident the current focal-proposed package is bad and must not land?
[15:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1968873 in livecd-rootfs "Regression: images ship with modified configuration file" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1968873
[15:42] <rbasak> That will highlight red in the pending-sru report
[15:50] <adrien> so the commit message would be a chunk of d/changelog, with whitespace kept?
[15:54] <rbasak> Yes - if you ignore normal git commit formatting convention and make it exactly the lines of the changelog that will be inserted, then the git-ubuntu.reconstruct-changelog tool will build your changelog for you from those commits, which you then add as another commit. That's the current convention, though we might eventually have something better.
[15:55] <rbasak> So keep the leading whitespace, bullet point marker, wrap like you'd want the changelog to wrap, none of the usual summary line and blank line or that kind of thing.
[15:56] <adrien> and I keep d/changelog _out_ of the commit?
[15:57] <rbasak> Correct.
[15:57] <rbasak> Do not touch debian/changelog normally at all.
[15:58] <rbasak> Once you have all your commits in this fashion, run git-ubuntu.merge-changelogs with the correct parameters and commit the debian/changelog changes it produces as a single commit, *OR* run "git ubuntu merge finish" which does that for you.
[15:59] <rbasak> Then run git-ubuntu.reconstruct-changelog and commit the debian/changelog changes it produces as a second commit.
[16:00] <adrien> so, let's say I git ubuntu clone a repo with rich history, and I want to add a patch, I would: add the patch in d/patches, edit d/patches/series, git add d/patches/foo.diff d/patches/series, git commit -m "  * add foo.diff patch", git-ubuntu.reconstruct.changelog, git commit -m changelog d/changelog
[16:00] <adrien> ?
[16:00] <rbasak> Yeah if you want to do it like that.
[16:00] <ahasenack> git-ubuntu.reconstruct-changelog takes a commit as a parameter, so you need to give it, say, pkg/ubuntu/devel
[16:01] <philroche> rbasak: I have updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1968873 to use verification-failed-focal as suggested
[16:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1968873 in livecd-rootfs "Regression: images ship with modified configuration file" [High, In Progress]
[16:01] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:01] <adrien> ahasenack: ok, thanks
[16:02] <adrien> rbasak: I see, thanks! are there other alternative ways besides git ubuntu merge?
[16:03] <rbasak> adrien: only really that you can do what git ubuntu merge does directly instead
[16:04] <adrien> ok, thanks again; I'll have a go in the coming working hours (so maybe monday, because I'm trying to use canonistack in parallel)
[16:07] <rbasak> Note that git-ubuntu itself doesn't require or expect much itself. It's just expectations of others, and future automation that's impacted. So for example if you want to prepare debian/changelog yourself, then it doesn't matter what you put in commit messages.
[16:10] <adrien> I see, that's something that was bothering me too (and overall, understand what I get back after a round trip through review and merge by uploader)
[16:10] <rbasak> But then if you choose to use git-ubuntu.reconstruct-changelog then it'll make a mess, and the next person to do the package merge won't be able to either without fixing up their rebased commit messages first.
[16:10] <rbasak> However, you can always just create a commit (or multiple) that fixes up debian/changelog as you want it.
[16:11] <adrien> but the result of reconstruct-changelog has the same constraints any edit of d/changelog, right?
[16:14] <rbasak> It's so small it's probably easier to show you it :-)
[16:14] <rbasak> https://git.launchpad.net/git-ubuntu/tree/bin/git-reconstruct-changelog
[16:14] <rbasak> All it's doing is the equivalent of calling "dch" for each commit.
[16:37] <adrien> it's tiny indeed :)
[16:41] <rbasak> the equivalent of calling "dch" for each commit> but without any change to formatting
[16:41] <rbasak> :)
[17:16] <ahasenack> @pilot in
[17:19] <tsimonq2> @pilot in
[17:19] <tsimonq2> ahasenack: Light flight planned today, bug 785051 bug 2049188 are the only ones on my radar.
[17:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 785051 in libnss-extrausers (Ubuntu) "groupsfile is ignored when any entry has id < 500" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/785051
[17:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2049188 in hiredis (Ubuntu) "hiredis FTBFS on ppc64el" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2049188
[17:19] <tsimonq2> (And it'll be my last patch pilot session for the week.)
[17:29] <ahasenack> first one I picked was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backport-iwlwifi-dkms/+bug/2046871
[17:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2046871 in backport-iwlwifi-dkms (Ubuntu) "migrate to upstream release/coreNN branch" [High, In Progress]
[17:29] <ahasenack> epoch version seems to be the topic
[17:29] <ahasenack> it's the oldest from http://sponsoring-reports.ubuntu.com/
[17:33] <tsimonq2> Good call/agree with reasoning :)
[17:33] <tsimonq2> xorg still needs a tjaalton or similar ping: https://code.launchpad.net/~jeff250/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+git/xorg-server/+merge/457781
[17:33] <tsimonq2> I raised https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039873 yesterday - apparently Server is looking into it, not touching :)
[17:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2039873 in lxc (Ubuntu) "liblxc-dev was built with LXC_DEVEL=1 in Ubuntu 22.04 and later releases" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[17:35] <tsimonq2> TIL about the +ucd suffix
[18:08] <tsimonq2> hiredis is in noble-proposed, libnss-extrausers is waiting for an email ... sometime in the next hour or two ... telling me it was accepted to Debian.
[18:08] <tsimonq2> @pilot out
[18:08] <ahasenack> tjaalton: :w
[18:08] <ahasenack> :q
[18:08] <ahasenack> hm, n/m
[18:08] <tsimonq2> :wq
[18:10] <arraybolt3> :q!
[20:04] <mhickford> Is anyone familiar with uploading packages from Debian to Ubuntu PPA without editing debian/changelog? I tried to follow https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading#Using_packages_from_other_distributions , my package uploads okay but the PPA remains empty. Any ideas?
[20:08] <mhickford> In dput.cf I'm using `incoming                = ~hickford/ubuntu/git-credential-oauth/mantic` which looks right to me https://launchpad.net/~hickford/+archive/ubuntu/git-credential-oauth unless I'm missing something
[20:10] <jbicha> mhickford: my dput.cf just has a section [ppa] with method = sftp and login = jbicha
[20:10] <ahasenack> mhickford: I always put the ubuntu release name in there
[20:10] <ahasenack> i.e., I use dch -R
[20:10] <ahasenack> and edit
[20:10] <jbicha> I also use backportpackage from ubuntu-dev-tools to make it easier to upload from Debian to my ppa
[20:11] <jbicha> assuming the package is already in Debian, but I might have misunderstood you
[20:12] <mhickford> Yes the package is already in Debian. According to https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading#Using_packages_from_other_distributions  "You can upload a source from any Debian-compatible distribution straight to your PPA with no changes required and it will be built and published in the targeted Ubuntu suite. The suite you specify [in
[20:12] <mhickford> dput.cf] will override the suite named in the upload changelog when you upload it"
[20:17] <enr0n> mhickford: I usually do something like `copy-package --from=debian --from-suite=sid --to-suite=noble --to=~enr0n/ubuntu/<my ppa> <source package name>`, without any special edits to dput config
[20:21] <mhickford> That sounds sensible. In which package is `copy-package`?
[20:25] <tsimonq2> mhickford: It's actually in a Git repository, sec.
[20:26] <enr0n> mhickford: argh, I just realized that it's in a git repo (https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive-tools), apparently not published in a package
[20:26] <tsimonq2> ^^ that :)
[20:26] <enr0n> But it's a useful script nonetheless
[20:26] <enr0n> Probably could/should be in ubuntu-dev-tools
[20:26] <mhickford> Thanks I'll try it
[20:26] <tsimonq2> enr0n: I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thinking that!
[20:28] <enr0n> tsimonq2: yeah I think that would make the most sense
[20:31] <tsimonq2> I really do think we also need a move-package command... one that copies the package over, ensures the copy was successful, then deletes it from the source.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> I remember from my time writing britney-ppa that the archive literally uses a combination of copy-package and remove-package...
[20:32] <tsimonq2> (To my recollection, of course.)
[21:00] <ahasenack> @pilot out


[00:23] <persia> ludovicc, I'd recommend starting by looking at some of the existing packages as examples, and after working with them for a bit, packaging new stuff.
[00:25] <persia> Rather than being completely undirectly, it's probably specifically best to look for reported bugs in the Java programs, and try to patch them.  While doing so, you'll become familiar with the peculiarities of Java packaging bit by bit, rather than needing to learn it all at once before you can accomplish the first package.
[01:15] <ludovicc> tx persia
[01:17] <persia> ludovicc, Also, when preparing patches and the like, if you've questions that aren't Java-specific, you might find that #ubuntu-motu has more people there, and might be able to answer.  For Java-specific questions, here may be better, although it depends on who is around.
[02:38] <LynxAba> hello everybody! i have a problem with packages, i have the med.java file that compile without problems, but when i try to execute it console show this error wich first line is:
[02:38] <LynxAba> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: med (wrong name: HL7/med)
[02:39] <LynxAba> inside the code i have this line "package HL7;" and when i erase it, the program runs well
[02:40] <LynxAba> how can i solve this? i just wan to know how, i know that if there's no solution i just delete that line and everything will be ok
[02:41] <LynxAba> btw, the .java and the .class are both inside a folder called HL7, so i think that's not the problem


[01:21] <dobey> oh right, that explains the error i'm seeing from a recipe build
[01:22] <teward> wgrant: planned downtime?
[01:22] <dobey> yes
[01:22] <teward> ok
[01:22] <teward> and i needed to push to bzr too oh well
[01:22] <wgrant> Was announced at https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus
[01:22] <teward> ok i think i missed it then
[01:22] <teward> oh well
[01:22] <teward> happens
[01:23] <dobey> yeah i was just grabbing the link :)
[02:22] <wgrant> teward, dobey: It's all back now.
[02:22] <teward> wgrant: thanks for the heads up
[21:05] <nickey> Hi guys! Can't find tutorials how to share my python app with ppa?
[21:39] <maxb> Of course not. That's a way too general area for a tutorial to be possible.
[21:41] <dobey> there is some python magic which automatically generates a debian/ directory for packaging a python thing
[21:41] <dobey> i don't recall what it is though, and it's kind of sketchy really
[21:43] <cjwatson> possibly python-stdeb, but I think that's for things which are already well-packaged in purely Python terms, which applications often aren't


[05:42] <jimtendo> Hi guys. Trying to get a "Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E169/E620/E800 HSDPA Modem" (USB GSM Modem) working with Metfone (I'm in Cambodia), but have nooo idea as to how to get this going. Absolutely zero experience with GSM modems. Should it automatically pop up in Network Manager when I plug it in? I've read mixed results in forums so feel clueless! Currently, it doesn't look to be showing up :(
[05:49] <jussi> jimtendo: is that one of the ones with a memory card also in it?
[05:50] <jussi> jimtendo: sometimes they need a software switcher to choose the modem over the memory
[05:50] <jimtendo> jussi: Yeah, it is actually... Though the memory card shows as having zero bytes free, so not sure if it actually functions as proper storage. Has a setup.exe on there for Windows install, I assume.
[05:50] <jimtendo> jussi: Oh, is that what the usb-modeswitch talk is about possibly??
[05:50] <jussi> jimtendo: exactly
[05:51] <jimtendo> jussi: ... I've seen that on forums, but didn't really understand it. Thanks, will check it out!
[05:51] <jussi> jimtendo: good luck, been a while since I had to do that
[05:54] <roger_> Got a quick question guys.
[05:55] <roger_> If someone can help me out
[05:55] <roger_> Is there any way to increase my connections peed when I usb tether my phone?
[07:13] <soee> good morning
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:07] <David1977_> morning
[08:07] <lordievader> Hey David1977_, how are you?
[08:08] <David1977_> fine, thx...you?
[08:08] <lordievader> David1977_: Just woken up...  I'm glad it supports mpris though :)
[09:23] <Anpu> hi, anyone have problem with Kdeconnect on Plasma 5?
[09:29] <Saphyel> maybe I have to change spotify instead of his client xD
[09:29] <Saphyel> Anpu: I didn't have any problems yet
[09:44] <Anpu> Saphyel: I cant find kdeconnect anywhere even it is installed? And it also didnt connect with my phone like italways does
[10:09] <boris> I dont know what is the best scanning software for kubuntu
[10:10] <boris> my scanner canon mg2200 is not working ?
[10:10] <boris> any advice
[10:13] <yossarianuk> skanlite is good
[10:13] <yossarianuk> you need cups/sane I believe also install.
[10:15] <billbo> you might also need to install a specific driver for your scanner as well.
[10:41] <HinzundKunz_> @boris: try this one: http://waluyo-adi-siswanto.blogspot.de/2013/06/install-printerscanner-canon-pixma.html
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:39] <Saphyel> he BluesKaj
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hi Saphyel
[13:00] <Iskren> Hey all! Trying to install Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 5 is giving me some grief, I hope anyone here will guide me to install it :)
[13:00] <lordievader> Iskren: What problems are you facing?
[13:01] <Iskren> lordievader, quite a few actually. I'll describe the procedure, in case if I messed up something.
[13:02] <BluesKaj> !plasma5 | Iskren
[13:03] <Iskren> First here's some background: The machine is a Lenovo Y510P with dual nvidia cards (no optimus). It want to install Kubuntu on an M2 SSD (64GB). I downloaded the ISO from the http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu site and transfered it onto a USB Pen drive with dd if=kubuntu....iso of=/dev/sdc bs=32768.
[13:04] <Iskren> Forgot to say, this machine is running UEFI and I need it due the Windows 8 that came with it. After DD'ing the ISO I booted the CD and it failed to start sddm (error was Unknown unit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:05] <Iskren> So I was at a terminal and I stopped sddm (service sddm stop) and started X manually as the regular user (X :0 -ac & sleep 2 && DISPLAY=:0 startkde) which started KDE Plasma 5.
[13:05] <lordievader> Iskren: If I may believe the mailing list threre are quite a few problems with ssdm + nvidia.
[13:06] <Iskren> I started the installation from the icon on the desktop, selected a 40 G partition on the M2 SSD and setup the system, then waited for the installer to complete.
[13:06] <Iskren> It installed and all was well until the reboot.
[13:06] <BluesKaj> plasma5 isn't ready for normal use IME
[13:06] <Iskren> I end up at a GRUB2 prompt
[13:07] <Iskren> Perhaps the reason is for the unusual setup...
[13:07] <lordievader> Iskren: What kind of disk/partition setup did you use?
[13:08] <Iskren> The SSD has 3 partitions, 200 MB EFI partition, 40G ext4 partition and the rest is used for caching with bcache
[13:08] <Iskren> So grub2 files were installed on the ssd partition 1 (sda1)
[13:08] <Iskren> The OS itself is installed on sda2
[13:09] <Iskren> EFI boots grub, grub errors out but i can't read the error as it's on the screen for about a fraction of a second
[13:10] <Iskren> I tried copying the kernel and ramdisk on the efi partition and manually loading with the linux and initrd commands, then issuing boot from the GRUB2 prompt, but it got stuck at boot somewhere after trying to run plymouth (IIRC)
[13:10] <lordievader> Iskren: Hmm, I must say that I have no experience with UEFI. But this sounds like grub did not install correctly. What you could do is booting a live cd/usb and installing grub from the command line.
[13:12] <Iskren> BluesKaj, I used plasma 5 on a slackware64-current but it requires SO much maintenance... I just don't have the time. That's why I looked at Kubuntu, as that's what Project Neon5 was based on (AFAIK)
[13:13] <Iskren> lordievader, I could try that but I'm not sure if GRUB is going to play nice with it. Do you know if I can boot kubuntu with elilo?
[13:14] <lordievader> Iskren: Never tried another bootloader other than grub.
[13:16] <Iskren> I guess I'll try it out and see where it'll take me then. Thanks! :)
[13:16] <lordievader> Iskren: Good luck anyhow ;)
[13:18] <jimtendo> Hi guys, have a Huawei E1750 3G USB thing (according to gsmctl) and believe it has loaded correctly (can probe /dev/ttyUSB0 with "chat"), but can't get Plasma's Network Manager's enable Mobile Broadband checkbox to show. Is there something else I've got to install to have this work? I'm running Kubuntu 14.04 and can't see anything obvious missing.
[13:33] <trung_> hello
[13:34] <trung_> I'm using kubuntu 14.10 and I'm having a serious problem with my graphic card
[13:34] <B1nny> !kubuntu | trung_
[13:35] <trung_> is this not kubuntu channel?
[13:35] <hateball> It is
[13:35] <hateball> trung_: What chipset, and what problem?
[13:35] <B1nny> oh ffs
[13:35] <B1nny> sorry :(
[13:35] <B1nny> I used the wrong command
[13:36] <trung_> Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
[13:36] <trung_> the problem is like this
[13:36] <trung_> I put it to sleep using pm-suspend
[13:36] <trung_> 2 hours later I turn it on and the webcam is now constantly on
[13:36] <trung_> but the more serious problem is that it's like the hue is messed up
[13:36] <trung_> the screen is reddish and the color is messed up
[13:37] <trung_> it retains after reboot so I'm not sure if this is an OS problem :(
[13:37] <trung_> also the webcam cannot be detected anymore
[13:37] <hateball> trung_: Is this a new install?
[13:37] <trung_> I recently updated
[13:37] <trung_> 3-4 days ago
[13:37] <trung_> from 14.04
[13:37] <hateball> Did that issue exist in 14.04 ?
[13:38] <trung_> no
[13:38] <hateball> You say it's still there after reboot, permanently?
[13:38] <hateball> Like is the screen red now?
[13:39] <trung_> it's not exactly red, it's reddish (you can still see most stuff but its like going to an image editor and mess with the hue)
[13:49] <rberg> I found that since the upgrade from 14.04 to 14.10 I need to kill NetworkManager to get it to connect to wifi or eth0 after a resume from suspend, has anyone else had this issue or know of a solution?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> rberg, not exactly, but it is slow to connect after a suspend , taking about 30secs here.
[14:09] <Fanfare> Q: what happened to acpi-support??? missing files like /etc/acpi/rotatescreen.sh
[14:12] <rberg> nice thing about these 'next gen'  init systems is that I can just kill a process like NetworkManager and it immediately respawns :)
[14:19] <BluesKaj> rberg, so systemd not enabled then
[14:22] <rberg> looks like upstart is still in use for init with systemd-{login,udev}
[14:26] <TeraJL> hi there, anyone knows the advantages/disadvantes or even what may be the diference, betweeen kubuntu and netrunner?
[14:35] <shiggity> hello all... I hope someone can help me
[14:36] <shiggity> I"m trying to get build-essential and its package deps to download ONLY so I can copy them to a USB stick to install onto a device that has no network as of yet
[14:36] <shiggity> I can't seem to get it right
[14:39] <shiggity> anyone?
[14:39] <dominic__> Just switched to NVidia driver and taskbar has gone, won't let me switch back to x-org driver, any ideas?
[14:42] <genii> !aptoncd
[14:43] <genii> shiggity: Please see above
[14:43] <shiggity> thanks
[14:46] <yossarianuk> dominic__: Make sure you have installed correctly
[14:47] <yossarianuk> dominic__: as as test - go to console
[14:47] <yossarianuk> dominic__: ALT+CTRL+F2
[14:47] <yossarianuk> dominic__: add a new user
[14:47] <yossarianuk> dominic__: reboot
[14:47] <yossarianuk> dominic__: login as the new user to test.
[14:48] <yossarianuk> dominic__: did you use the 'additional drivers' tool ?
[14:48] <dominic__> Okay, will try.
[14:48] <shiggity> genii,  question though... does aptoncd merely copy what packages are already installed, or download them fresh?
[14:48] <shiggity> wuth deps
[14:48] <shiggity> with*
[14:49] <shiggity> I need to get build-essential and all its deps to an offline machine
[14:49] <shiggity> !offline
[14:55] <shiggity> genii, ?
[14:56] <dominic__> will have to manually turn computer off as it wont reboot. CTRL+ALT+F2 doesn't work but created a new user via system settings. Back in a mo.
[14:58] <genii> shiggity: Apologies on lag, at work. As far as I know, the aptoncd will make a repository of all the stuff currently on a system. The instructions for !offline are probably more what you need ( although sucks it requires synaptic). Alternately you try to also just do apt-get download build-essential  and then cp them over
[14:58] <shiggity> hm
[15:00] <shiggity> ok so if I was to do dkpg -i build-essential from the ISO would it find deps?
[15:00] <shiggity> genii,
[15:01] <shiggity> OOH! I did dkpg -i * and it's installing it all
[15:01] <shiggity> SWEET
[15:10] <shiggity> genii, I tried that and it just gets build-essential itself and not the deps
[15:11] <dominic__> No, new user wasn't created and it won't create one. will have to try re-install I guess. Second time this has happened though.
[15:17] <dominic__> Oh, and in answer to your earlier question yossarian Yes, used additional drivers tool.
[15:17] <genii> shiggity: Another way might be to dump all the apt variables into /etc/apt/apt.conf ( which doesn't exist by default on Ubuntu) on the machine which you downloading the files with. Then edit all the DIR variables to point to a different location than normally used, and then "install" whatever you need with the system temporarily set this way, then move it all over after.
[15:18] <shiggity> that sounds so complicated though
[15:20] <genii> shiggity: If you do for instance apt-config dump  >> filename   ... all the settings of apt are in "filename" and you can go edit them to your liking, making it use a different path than / to install things to or different than /var/cache/apt  for the rest, etc
[15:22] <shiggity> ehhhhhh
[15:22] <shiggity> !offline
[15:27] <shiggity> once I have synaptic on the other machine how would I call up the DL list script thing @ genii ?
[15:37] <shiggity> There's gotta be a better way to do this <_<
[15:45] <BluesKaj> is the machine anywhere near an internet access point?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> shiggity, ^
[15:48] <shiggity> BluesKaj, it is bt I'm trying to get its wifi driver installed from from src....
[15:48] <shiggity> but*
[15:49] <shiggity> and any time I try and insmod the resulting ko it yells at me that it's not right
[15:49] <shiggity> invalid format or w/e
[15:49] <shiggity> BluesKaj, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2249936
[15:50] <shiggity> I've got basically what the OP's got
[15:51] <shiggity> BluesKaj,  ?
[15:52] <shiggity> if you're gonna say "ethernet" well I can't...  adapter
[15:52] <shiggity> no adapter*
[15:53] <BluesKaj> shiggity, no I was wondering about the error
[15:53] <shiggity> what error
[15:53] <shiggity> oh mine?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> nvalid format or w/e
[15:53] <BluesKaj> yeah
[15:53] <shiggity> let me make it happen so I get the error
[15:56] <BluesKaj> if this is a tablet then I'm not too well versed on linux installs
[15:58] <shiggity> heh it is indeed a tablet
[15:58] <shiggity> @ blaatmeister
[15:58] <shiggity> er BluesKaj
[15:59] <shiggity> and here's the error: "insmod: ERRROR: could not insert module 8723bs.ko: Invalid module format"
[15:59] <shiggity> @ blaatmeister
[15:59] <shiggity> er BluesKaj
[15:59] <shiggity> damnit
[16:00] <shiggity> I'm about ready to give up and start over/on another OS
[16:00] <shiggity> I think it's not liking how I'm building the module
[16:10] <arpan> hi
[16:11] <lordievader> o/
[16:11] <arpan> i was downloading plasma5 iso file and it got interrupted due to power failure. I have .part file downloaded approx 96%. can I use .part file to complete remaining download?
[16:12] <lordievader> arpan: A proper download manager would.
[16:12] <arpan> can't find any option for that in kget
[16:35] <Walex> arpan: 'kget' should do that automagically *if the server supports restarting. You may have to rename the file without the ".part" suffix though.
[16:35] <Walex> arpan: almost all FTP servers support restarting, but many HTTP servers don't.
[16:39] <genii> If there's a direct link to the download you can also use wget with the -c switch ( destination file needs to be renamed without the .part suffix same as method Walex describes)
[16:53] <arpan> thanks Walex. let me try that.
[20:03] <Konwhald> hi there
[20:04] <Konwhald> i have some trouble with notifications under kubuntu
[20:04] <Konwhald> kde refuse to use another notification system than the gnome one (notify-osd)
[20:05] <Konwhald> can someone please help ?
[20:08] <Konwhald> (wondering how much peoples are here because it's the channel by default on some IRC clients)
[20:09] <genii> Konwhald: It's often slow here. Best to just say your question, then wait perhaps 5-10 minutes as people leave and join, then re-ask. Eventually someone will usually respond.
[20:09] <genii> ....and they left
[20:10]  * genii goes back to making coffee
[20:34] <david___> hhhhhow do I install as a dual boot kubuntu
[20:36] <david___> i did not see a choice to use a unsused partition in the installer
[20:52] <david___> darokthar do you knnnow how to install kubuntu as a dual boot?
[20:54] <BluesKaj> david___, dual bot with which other OS?
[20:55] <david___> I already have Windows vista installed and I have a partition set aside for kubuntu
[20:55] <david___> thank you blueska for responding
[20:57] <BluesKaj> david___, use manual partitioning to install kubuntu in the ubiquity installer, the partitoner will list the partitions anbd you can choose the ext partition there
[20:58] <david___> ubiquity installer?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> yes that's what the kubuntu installer is called
[20:59] <david___> would that be the kubuntu installerr?
[20:59] <david___> ok thank you
[20:59] <david___> I will try that now!
[21:10] <david___> I trried aand it keeps giving me a error something about a root
[21:11] <david___> what type of file exteeeension should I use?
[21:14] <BluesKaj> ext4
[21:14] <david___> Blueskaj are you still there?
[21:15] <david___> cool thank you
[21:15] <BluesKaj> yes david___, / should be ext4
[21:15] <david___> what mount point?
[21:16] <BluesKaj>  mountpoint /
[21:16] <david___> thank you
[21:16] <BluesKaj> how large is the partition btw?
[21:20] <Avic> hello
[21:21] <Avic> I have kubunto installed and the freenx server. when i start the server the kde don't start, what i need to do? thanks
[21:21] <Avic> kubuntu*
[21:28] <Avic> how do i start kubuntu enviornment ?
[21:42] <bprompt> Avic:     I think is just by running "plasma-desktop"
[21:44] <kp12584> Hello all
[21:45] <kp12584> I have a quick question.  When I run VRMS in the terminal I am told I have no non-free packages installed.  But I also show that Flash 15.0.0 is installed.  How is this possible?
[22:11] <UCY_7400> hello any chance to upgrade kubuntu 14.04 to 14.10 remote from cli
[22:12] <UCY_7400> do-releas-upgrade give me 'no new release'
[22:12] <kbroulik> do-release-upgrade -d ?
[22:13] <lordievader> kbroulik: UCY_7400 You don't want to do that. -d stands for a development release.
[22:13] <lordievader> UCY_7400: Change your upgrade preference to normal. Now it is looking for LTS releases.
[22:13] <UCY_7400> -d to devel ?
[22:14] <kbroulik> ah, right, sorry
[22:14] <UCY_7400> thx
[22:14] <UCY_7400> ok will try
[22:14] <lordievader> UCY_7400: Don't.
[22:14] <lordievader> It's a bad idea.
[22:15] <lordievader> Unless you mean the changing of the upgrade preferences, the go ahead ;)
[22:15] <UCY_7400> yes i meean the pref
[22:21] <UCY_7400> lordievader: works !! thx once more
[22:21] <lordievader> UCY_7400: No problem ;)
[22:38] <scottn_work> Just upgraded to 14.10 and on my laptop with an Intel graphics card getting this error - intel_set_pixmap_bo: size of buffer object does not match constraints: size=4096, must be greater than 8192, but less than 67108864. Google searching just gives me two wayland related entries. Anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[23:04] <Avic> what is the command to start kubuntu with vnc4server? startkde &   ?


[01:08] <shadeslayer> wgrant: just so that I get this right, there's no webui for git repos just yet right
[01:09] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: There is certainly a web UI, although some bits aren't hooked up quite correctly yet.  What piece do you think is missing?
[01:09] <wgrant> shadeslayer: It depends on what you mean by that. There's always been UI for the repos themselves, but there wasn't always a way to find them.
[01:09] <shadeslayer> I just pushed a repo to lp:~shashlik/packaging
[01:09] <wgrant> (and some of the ways to find them won't be on prod until next week)
[01:09] <shadeslayer> but I'm not sure where the webui for viewing it is
[01:09] <wgrant> shadeslayer: That's the packaging project.
[01:09] <wgrant> Did you really mean that?
[01:09] <shadeslayer> oh
[01:10] <shadeslayer> no xD
[01:10] <wgrant> The LP project model hasn't changed; this isnt' GitHub.
[01:10] <wgrant> If you want a project repo, push to lp:~person-or-team/project
[01:10] <cjwatson> You can see it by going to https://code.launchpad.net/~shashlik/packaging and selecting "View Git repositories", but as wgrant says you pushed it to the wrong place.
[01:10] <wgrant> If you want a personal repo, push to lp:~person-or-team/+git/some-personal-name
[01:11] <wgrant> (and there are also package repos, which are a little more complicated as we don't know exactly how they should work yet)
[01:11] <cjwatson> Fortunately you can delete repositories now ;-)
[01:11] <shadeslayer> wait, so if I want to push to ~shashlik/shashlik/packaging, where does one push
[01:11] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: yeah deleted :)
[01:11] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~shashlik/packaging/+git/packaging has the link
[01:11] <wgrant> shadeslayer: What does that mean?
[01:12] <shadeslayer> wgrant: ~shashlik team, shashlik project, repo called packaging
[01:12] <wgrant> You want a separate repo named 'packaging' inside the shashlik project?
[01:12] <shadeslayer> ( same as bzr )
[01:12] <shadeslayer> wgrant: yep
[01:12] <wgrant> That's lp:~shashlik/shashlik/+git/packaging
[01:12] <shadeslayer> I see
[01:12] <wgrant> (since lp:~shashlik/shashlik/packaging would be a bzr branch)
[01:12] <cjwatson> It's fundamentally not the same as bzr, though
[01:12] <wgrant> That too.
[01:12] <shadeslayer> I see, thanks for explaining that, it wasn't clear enough from the docs
[01:12] <cjwatson> Because branches can (and often should) be colocated within a single repository
[01:13] <cjwatson> For most projects the right thing is just to have a single repository called lp:shashlik
[01:13] <cjwatson> And then branches within that
[01:13] <wgrant> lp:~owner/project is what we expect 99.9% of contributors to use, and the only official repo will almost always be lp:project
[01:13] <wgrant> The named repos exist for cases where privacy is required, and because the Ubuntu kernel team is weird and has dozens of repos for no good reason.
[01:13] <cjwatson> You'd only use a separate repository if you're doing something somewhat odd, like your packaging branch sharing no history with upstream.
[01:14] <wgrant> You probably just want a separate branch in the same repo.
[01:14] <cjwatson> (Even in the no history case, there's nothing to say it has to be a separate repo; e.g. pristine-tar)
[01:15] <shadeslayer> wgrant: yeah, I'm used to the github workflow
[01:16] <wgrant> shadeslayer: You have a separate packaging repo on GitHub?
[01:16] <wgrant> That's pretty weird, since you can't have more than one fork of a repo per user/org on GitHub.
[01:16] <shadeslayer> wgrant: no, I was trying to figure out how to host the packaging on Launchpad, the sources are on github though
[01:17] <shadeslayer> that is true, however, one would expect to use branches in that case?
[01:17] <wgrant> (that is, on GitHub you only have the equivalent of lp:~shashlik/shashlik, no lp:~shashlik/shashlik/+git/foo)
[01:17] <shadeslayer> multiple forks of the same project under one team/user sounds a bit .. off to me
[01:17] <wgrant> Yes, which is why we are discouraging them :)
[01:17] <shadeslayer> ( that's what branches are for, I assumed )
[01:17] <shadeslayer> right :)
[01:17] <wgrant> They're necessary for eg. security fixes.
[01:17] <wgrant> Or if you need separate tag namespaces.
[01:17] <wgrant> Or things like that.
[01:18] <cjwatson> Embargoed security fixes, that is :)
[01:18] <wgrant> But packaging should probably just be a branch.
[01:18] <cjwatson> Since we're only doing privacy at the repository level, not at the branch level
[01:18] <wgrant> (or a whole lot of branches in refs/heads/ubuntu/SERIES, for example)
[01:20] <cjwatson> I expect we'll end up with a bunch of packaging repositories in the lp:ubuntu/+source/SOURCE namespaces and friends once those work, so lp:~slashlik/ubuntu/+source/shashlik would also be valid.  The main reason for that is completely different access control, though.
[23:32] <shadeslayer> hi
[23:33] <shadeslayer> in my build it seems like something's going wrong here : ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (cannot open shared object file): ignored.
[23:33] <shadeslayer> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/208967130/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-i386.shashlik_0.2%2Bgit20150613.0347%2B15.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:34] <cjwatson> If I were you I would consider the possibility that that was a red herring given that it occurred several times before without apparent immediate failure, and that it says "ignored"
[23:35] <cjwatson> But I must to bed rather than trying to decipher Java build failures :-)
[23:35] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[23:35] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: night :)


[08:26] <ppisati> brb
[08:58] <apw> hallyn, i assume you rocked on it and things are good
[10:27] <tjaalton> trying to build a useful dbgsym package from a custom branch, but I always end up with stripped modules
[10:39] <apw> tjaalton, as in you don't get a .ddeb package at all ?
[10:43] <tjaalton> I do, but the .ko's are stripped
[10:43] <apw> as ddebs are disabled by defualt when not building on a buildd, full_build=true to get the buildd experience
[10:43] <tjaalton> ok, I tried AUTOBUILD=1
[10:44] <apw> tjaalton, which release are you testing
[10:44] <tjaalton> building on raring, drm-intel-nightly
[10:44] <tjaalton> plus the packaging from.. dunno
[10:44] <tjaalton> "fresh"
[10:44] <tjaalton> got it from Sarvatt :)
[10:44] <apw> is that you trying to rebuild the mainline builds ... oh ok
[10:44] <tjaalton> yeah
[10:44] <apw> well i'd try full_build in case, and in parallel i'll build saucy tip and check
[10:46] <apw> make sure it is not systemic, people tend to not notice the ddebs have gone to hell until months after release
[10:46] <tjaalton> those should end up in the parent dir
[10:46] <apw> i mean if the contents have gone to hell
[10:47] <apw> we had totally empty ones for some months :)
[10:47] <apw> back in lucid
[10:47] <tjaalton> ah
[10:47] <apw> i'll ask gomeisa to do the do on it and have a peek inside for a change :)
[10:48] <tjaalton> would it be possible to create ddebs for mainline builds too?
[10:48] <tjaalton> I know they are huge..
[10:49] <apw> they are massive, they are 10x the size of the originals
[10:49] <tjaalton> yup
[10:49] <apw> technically it is possible i am sure, but ... woh, i am not sure we have the space to keep them
[10:49] <apw> very long, and we keep the mainline builds 'in perpetuity' in theory
[10:49] <tjaalton> well, if I can get this working probably not needed
[10:49] <tjaalton> i mean, if it's easy to recreate one
[10:50] <apw> it should be, i recreated a lost one from the archive and it worked with the binaries from that release
[10:51] <tjaalton> alright
[10:52] <apw> tjaalton, i'll get back to you when i have built this one
[10:53] <apw> tjaalton, also if it works i might be able to checkout the actual tree used for that build and make a ddeb for it, if it is a mainline you are testing
[10:53] <apw> tjaalton, in principle if you are only caring for the dirty upstream trees, the ones which are frankly likely to blow up and eat your lunch, we might be able to enable them for those only
[10:54] <apw> anyhow ... build is in progress so i'll let you know what i find
[10:54] <tjaalton> heh, right
[10:54] <tjaalton> I'm building too, race you to it :)
[10:55] <apw> tjaalton, hopefully my builder is bigger than your builder, else i will hjave to sulk
[10:55] <apw> tjaalton, though obviouly you are building what you wnat, and mine is only a build for the master tip to make sure we haven't knobbed it
[10:55] <tjaalton> just my ivb desktop
[10:56] <tjaalton> but full build, maybe I'm missing some bdeps for the tools or such
[10:56]  * apw curses henrix who is wrecking my race :)
[10:56] <henrix> apw: ?
[10:56] <apw> nothing, just joshing you
[10:56] <henrix> heh
[10:56] <apw> henrix, making gomeisa go slow
[10:57] <henrix> apw: ah! i can cancel my job if you have something urgent ;)
[10:57] <henrix> apw: just doing routine builds on 3.5
[10:57] <apw> henrix, nothing urgent at all ...
[10:57] <henrix> apw: :)
[10:57] <apw> henrix, and i have like 4 other machines if it was
[10:57] <apw> and 'slow' means 12m instead of 8m not life ending
[10:58]  * henrix goes back to UEFI backports fun
[10:58] <apw> henrix, yeah it looks like you have some real untestable backports to do there, good luck with that crap
[11:00] <henrix> apw: i have the backport already... i'm just trying to make sure i won't have people hitting me with bricks in a few weeks :)
[11:01] <apw> henrix, literally :)
[11:28] <apw> tjaalton, ok my .ddeb has come out at 47M so i suspect something has broke
[11:29] <tjaalton> ha :)
[11:29]  * apw will poke it and let you know
[11:29] <tjaalton> thx
[11:40] <tjaalton> tried a full build and it failed, also on sbuild:
[11:40] <tjaalton> make[1]: Leaving directory `/«PKGBUILDDIR»/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/power/x86/turbostat'
[11:41] <tjaalton> make[1]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[11:42] <tjaalton> although it might be result of the way I run clean
[11:42] <tjaalton> so nevermind
[11:43] <apw> tjaalton, hmmm no that is tools which needs a couple of patches against mainline to even have a makefile
[11:43] <tjaalton> ah, ok
[11:43] <apw> tjaalton, i probabally should suck that stuff up into the main debian packaging ... arse
[11:44] <tjaalton> heh
[11:44] <apw> do_tools=false will drop them
[11:44] <tjaalton> yeah
[20:07] <stgraber> apw: I've just been told by the lttng guys that their code now builds fine against 3.10 (I noticed it got disabled with the switch to 3.10 in Ubuntu)
[21:02] <cyphermox> sforshee: hey
[21:02] <cyphermox> sforshee: I seem to be missing a device for bluetooth on mako -- ttyHS0.
[21:02] <cyphermox> ttyHSL0 shows up, but for some reason although CONFIG_SERIAL_MSM_HS=y, it still doesn't get brought up, would you be able to help me figure out why?
[21:03] <cyphermox> quickly looking I wonder if it couldn't be because some other piece is missing, like perhaps that CONFIG_SERIAL_MSM_SMD
[21:07] <cyphermox> nevermind that


[00:38] <stlsaint> jmarsden: did you catch my email in regards to autogen and autoreconf?
[04:11] <linuxman410> anyone
[04:12] <linuxman410> here
[04:12] <jmarsden> linuxman410: Maybe.
[04:12] <jmarsden> linuxman410: Why do you ask?
[04:13] <linuxman410> the only way i can get my wireless to work is type sudo modprobe b43 everytime to activate it
[04:14] <jmarsden> I'm no wireless expert, especially not on weird chipsets that need binary blobs for firmware before they work... did you add the relevant module or modules to /etc/modules ?
[04:18] <linuxman410> jmarsden there is no etc /modules folder
[04:19] <jmarsden> OK... I have no idea how you installed Lubuntu.  On my copies there is a text file named /etc/modules that is a list of the modules to be loaded into the kernel at boot time.
[04:19] <jmarsden> Which version of Lubuntu are you running and how did you install it?
[04:20] <linuxman410> i install 11.04 and install regular way
[04:21] <jmarsden> OK, so what does    ls -ld /etc/modules      display on your machine?  Should be just one line of output
[04:26] <jmarsden> linuxman410: ^^
[04:29] <KM0201> if its the b43 driver... did you activate in admin/additional drivers?..
[04:30] <jmarsden> KM0201: Um... doesn't that just add it to /etc/modules? :)
[04:30] <KM0201> jmarsden: hmm, it should.. but... i dunno
[04:30] <linuxman410> KM0201 IT IS NOT THERE IN ADDITIONAL DRIVERS
[04:30] <linuxman410> sorry about caps
[04:31] <jmarsden> linuxman410: ten minutes ago I asked you:  what does    ls -ld /etc/modules      display on your machine?
[04:31] <linuxman410> root root 198
[04:31] <jmarsden> I don't think that was the whole line... but it does suggest that /etc/modules exists...
[04:32] <jmarsden> So we are back to my original question, I think: did you add the relevant module or modules to /etc/modules ?
[04:32] <KM0201> linuxman410: under the menu, and system tools, you don't see additional drivers?
[04:32] <jmarsden> OK, KM0201 I'll leave this to you if you want to take it.
[04:32] <linuxman410> yes i see it but it does not see the card
[04:33] <KM0201> jmarsden: no, i was just asking.
[04:33] <KM0201> i won't interrupt again.
[04:33] <KM0201> didn't realize this was a priv. chat.
[04:33] <Phosphenes> lol nerd fight.
[04:34] <linuxman410> KM0201 it does not show up under additional drivers
[04:34] <KM0201> Phosphenes: i think some people need a xannex
[04:37] <Phosphenes> xannex?
[04:37] <linuxman410> jmarsden the whole line is -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 198 2011-07-02 22:08 /etc modules
[04:38] <linuxman410> any help
[04:39] <linuxman410> KM0201 any ideals
[04:39] <KM0201> linuxman410: check your PM.
[09:37] <LubuntuPowered> what's the recommended RAM to have for lubuntu?
[09:38] <LubuntuPowered> i thought my 384mb would be enough, but there is only 10-30mb of "free memory" according to the "system profiler and benchmark"
[09:47] <Psilocybin_Elf> It ran fine on my 470MB machine...even got Xubuntu running on there no probs.
[10:05] <elros> if you need moore performance, you can try disabling auto-run apps drom desktop session settings
[10:05] <elros> or try fluxbox, which requires lots of manual labor
[10:07] <Psilocybin_Elf> Openbox/Blackbox are faster than Fluxbox in my experience...
[10:32] <JRandolph> Anyone had any trouble with the installer?
[10:33] <JRandolph> It doesn't seem to start
[10:38] <Psilocybin_Elf> The Lubuntu installer?
[10:38] <Psilocybin_Elf> Worked fine for me in 11.04
[10:41] <JRandolph> When it first started up I had a black background
[10:41] <JRandolph> is that normal?
[10:41] <JRandolph> the taskbar was visible
[10:42] <JRandolph> or do you know the name of the script that starts the installer
[10:42] <AmberJ> Hello
[10:42] <AmberJ> This has happened 2nd time in last 2 days on lubuntu 11.04...
[10:43] <JRandolph> ??
[10:43] <AmberJ> I try to delete a file on desktop and desktop (sort of) crashes.
[10:43] <AmberJ> I dont remember what the file/folder was last time...but this time it was a zip file.
[10:44] <AmberJ> My deskop icons are lost... and right click menu on desktop doesnot works either
[10:44] <AmberJ> I expect it's either openbox or lxde which manage 'desktop'....
[10:45] <AmberJ> So, does openbox or lxde create log files...if yes, where?
[12:29] <moza_> hello, just managed (after some usb-live problems) a clean install of lubuntu.
[12:34] <moza_> is there somewhere i could give feedback on this ? (telling that it worked on my kind of netbook)
[15:22] <jnlsnl_> Dose Lubuntu have the desktop icon grid, like xubuntu has ?
[21:15] <giampiero> Hello everybody, I've got a question.
[21:16] <KM0201> shoot.
[21:17] <giampiero> Thanks. I am a former Ubuntu user and I have now switched to Lubuntu. I have doubts about the effective lightness of the desktop environment. For instance, opening a youtube video takes about 60/70% of my cpu. I have a centrino processor 1.7 ghz and 1.5 Gb RAM.
[21:18] <giampiero> Isn't the usage rate of the CPU excessive?
[21:19] <giampiero> Hope I was clear enough...
[21:21] <giampiero> Any ideas?
[21:22] <KM0201> flash is a memory/cpu hog.. you'd have same issue on Doze or Ubuntu
[21:22] <KM0201> it always has been
[21:24] <giampiero> Ok, I just had the feeling that it sucked less CPU with Ubuntu, but cannot make direct comparison since Ubuntu is no longer installed on my pc.
[21:25] <giampiero> One more question: I installed firestarter on my machine and when i run it I get an error message saying that it's impossible to poen the log file.
[21:25] <giampiero> open, sorry.
[21:25] <giampiero> Any idea of why it happens and how i can fix it?
[21:27] <phillw> giampiero: specifcally for Utube, yes there is an option.
[21:27] <giampiero> phillw: what?
[21:28] <phillw> giampiero: head over to http://www.youtube.com/html5 it is bleeding edge, but works fine for me
[21:30] <bioterror> not all the videos are converted to HTML5
[21:30] <phillw> indeed not, but it is nice to see html5 actually being tested :)
[21:30] <giampiero> Still about 80% cpu used.
[21:31] <bioterror> you still have 20% for your OS ;)
[21:32] <phillw> video is very CPU hungry.
[21:32] <giampiero> Fine. Any ideas about the firestarter issue?
[21:32] <giampiero> HAs any of you experienced the same problem?
[21:32] <bioterror> never used firestarted
[21:33] <giampiero> bioterroe:do you use a different firewall?
[21:33] <bioterror> my network is firewalled, I dont run on my computers firewall at all
[21:34] <phillw> giampiero: I'd suggest ufw, it is the one most recommened
[21:34] <phillw> your computer is, by default, firewalled. which ports / areas do you wish to unlock?
[21:35] <giampiero> phillw: ufw is already installed, I just used to have Firestarter on Ubuntu and I would like to have it working on Lubuntu as well.
[21:36] <phillw> giampiero: again I ask, what areas do you wish to unlock, and for why?
[21:36] <bioterror> giampiero, you can try to touch a log file for it?
[21:36] <giampiero> bioterror: how do you mean it?
[21:37] <bioterror> sudo touch /var/log/firestarter.log or something like that
[21:37] <giampiero> phillw: only two ports for amule and transmission for torrents download
[21:38]  * phillw I will leave you in the tender hands of bioterror, if you are really security concious and doing non-standard things with your system I'd really suggest you take the few days to read through http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812
[21:42] <giampiero> phillw: is there another way to use, for instance, Amule at the top of its potential?  I'd suggest asking on that forum area. they would prefer to advise you before something happens than after it (I messed up by leaving the root apsswrod available)
[21:44] <KM0201> giampiero: so why use the software firewall? just open everything.
[21:44] <giampiero> the firewall is supposed to controll all ports, also open ones, isn't it?
[21:47] <bioterror> great
[21:47] <bioterror> wife has 11.04 and our bank is complaining her java is too old
[21:47] <bioterror> saddddakasdasd :D
[21:49] <giampiero> Thanks everybody anyway, I'll check the forum area. I will ask again if I will be in need.
[21:49] <jmarsden> bioterror: Switching banks is probably easier than backporting the latest Oracle Java :)
[21:49] <bioterror> Version: 6.24-1build<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:49] <bioterror> says ubuntu :D
[21:50] <bioterror> jmarsden, it's not actually as we both have our student loans from that bank ;)


[05:46] <mlalkaka> i have an idea for the ubuntu wiki: we should create a page called UbuntuTutorials. On that page, as you probably expect, there would be tutorials on how to use Ubuntu Linux. but the tutorials should be video tutorials (with a narrator). programs like xvidcap or istanbul could be used to record the audio/video, and we could save it in ogg theora, so there are no patent problems.
[05:46] <mlalkaka> what do you people think?
[05:49] <LaserJock> hmm, sounds like a lot of bandwith but it could be kinda fun
[05:50] <Burgundavia> that would be a great idea
[05:50] <robotgeek> mlalkaka: yup.
[05:50] <Burgundavia> why not use byznaz instead?
[05:51] <Burgundavia> that gets us gifs, and can actually be a wiki page
[05:51] <robotgeek> i guess someone needs to start off with a tutorial on how to make those videos
[05:51] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, i haven't heard of it until now.
[05:52] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: byznaz is a screen recorder, that makes gifs
[05:52] <Burgundavia> it is fairly new
[05:53] <mgalvin> could someone ping me for a screenshot on the flight 6 review?
[05:53] <trappist> my kingdom for one that makes mpegs
[05:53] <Burgundavia> trappist: mpegs are non-free
[05:53] <Burgundavia> ogg or gif (ick) only
[05:53] <Burgundavia> likely flash
[05:53] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, that would work well
[05:54] <trappist> aren't gifs patent-encumbered?
[05:54] <trappist> or that expired
[05:54] <robotgeek> yeah, that too :)
[05:54] <mlalkaka> mgalvin, i'll ping you; what's your ip?
[05:54] <Burgundavia> gifs are no longer patent encumber, I believ
[05:54] <robotgeek> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html
[05:54] <mlalkaka> i think the Unisys' patent expired in 2003.
[05:55] <mgalvin> mlalkaka: i mean just send me a message with my nick in it like you just did, i need a notification screenshot, but i need to have the window minimized first
[05:55] <mlalkaka> oh ok
[05:55] <mgalvin> send a little msg in like 5 sec
[05:55] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: various patents expire at various times
[05:56] <mlalkaka> mgalvin, How are you today?
[05:56] <mgalvin> mlalkaka: great thanks! :)
[05:56] <mlalkaka> mgalvin, no prob.
[05:56] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, do you know byznaz's website?
[05:57] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: no, but is available in dapper
[05:57] <Burgundavia> it likely doesn't have one
[05:58] <mgalvin> mlalkaka: just sudo apt-get install byznaz
[05:58] <mgalvin> there is not site
[05:58] <mgalvin> just byznaz --help
[05:58] <mgalvin> it works well, it used it for...
[05:58] <mlalkaka> i'm still running breezy, and it's not in breezy repositories
[05:58] <mgalvin> https://www-master.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5#head-d0b765295e82254f427c986d82e19149909ba70f
[05:58] <mgalvin> ah
[05:59] <robotgeek> mgalvin: auth
[05:59] <mgalvin> oops
[05:59] <mgalvin> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5#head-d0b765295e82254f427c986d82e19149909ba70f
[05:59] <mlalkaka> but what about sound? we'll need a narrator
[06:00] <mgalvin> gifs could be used for the more simple things and demos and such just to keep size down, you would still need ogg or something for those
[06:01] <mlalkaka> mgalvin, i'm guessing you used it for the shutdown sequence? how did you shutdown sequence, though? xnest?
[06:02] <mgalvin> in vmware player, or you could use qemu
[06:02] <mgalvin> i just use vmware player b/c its free now and much faster than qemu
[06:02] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: sound would be nice, but not critical
[06:03] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: plus once you involve sound, it gets more difficult to produce and thus more time and thus is unlikely to be done
[06:03] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, lol true
[06:03] <mlalkaka> mgalvin, what's the difference between vmware player and vmware?
[06:04] <trappist> you can't make new vms or modify the vm in the player
[06:04] <mgalvin> mlalkaka: vmware player only plays existing images
[06:05] <mgalvin> but you can create the images with qemu
[06:05] <mgalvin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu
[06:06] <Burgundavia> vmware player is evil
[06:06] <Burgundavia> we should not be producing documtation with that
[06:06] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, we won't have to, don't worry. i was just asking out of curiosity
[06:11] <mgalvin> only semi evil, i just don't normally have time to wait around to qemu, even on 64 bit machines its slow
[06:11] <Burgundavia> qemu is slow
[06:11] <Burgundavia> installing extra software for help == very very bad
[06:11] <Burgundavia> regardless of it status
[06:12] <mgalvin> i know, i know
[06:13] <mgalvin> if its any consolation, i do use qemu when i am not pressed for time :)
[06:13] <Burgundavia> let me get you a screencast of the deskbar at work
[06:13] <mgalvin> go for it, that would be great
[06:13] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: that would be nice to see
[06:14] <robotgeek> i just love konqueror's features. plus io slaves in kde are just awesome
[06:15] <mlalkaka> what do you think the first tutorial should be?
[06:15] <robotgeek> how to make a screencast :)
[06:15] <mgalvin> i was thinking of adding some kubuntu and edubuntu stuff to DapperFlight6 this time around, any opinions?
[06:15] <mgalvin> robotgeek: good choice :)
[06:16] <mgalvin> +1
[06:16] <robotgeek> mgalvin: +1 on the (edu)/kubuntu stuff, if it doesn't clutter
[06:16] <mgalvin> yea, i don't want it to be a big mess
[06:17] <robotgeek> mgalvin: even for kubuntu?
[06:17] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: I wouldn't
[06:17] <Burgundavia> you get a diluted marketing effect
[06:18] <Burgundavia> is: People wondering which piece is for which deriv
[06:18] <Burgundavia> however, Kubuntu
[06:18] <Burgundavia> a seperate page for Kubuntu and Edubuntu would be great
[06:18] <crimsun> F6 tomorrow? Geez I hope not. 2.6.15-19.29 can't go out in F6.
[06:22] <mlalkaka> can i create a wiki page with a normal account?
[06:22] <mgalvin> mlalkaka: yup
[06:22] <mgalvin> on wiki.ubuntu.com, yes
[06:23] <mlalkaka> mgalvin, how?
[06:23] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: just go the page you want to create and click edit
[06:24] <mlalkaka> lol oh
[06:25] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: got a deskbar screencast, should I upload it?
[06:25] <mgalvin> robotgeek, crimsun: thats not a hard date, just a possible target date, if something is that broken it will probably be toward the end of the week, we shall see, the flights kindda happen whenever its ready
[06:26] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: great, thanks, go ahead
[06:26] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: and... good point... i will not include k/edu stuff
[06:28] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: how do I get gifs to cycle?
[06:28] <Burgundavia> can I edit that in the gimp?
[06:30] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: well i used byzanz with -l and set cords
[06:30] <mgalvin> Burgundavia
[06:30] <mgalvin> byzanz-record -l ...
[06:31] <Burgundavia> ah, -l
[06:32] <Burgundavia> hmm, I ticked "search Yahoo", but it doesnt' seem to be doing it
[06:33] <Burgundavia> oh, wait it takes a second
[06:33] <mgalvin> darn internet, making us wait, whats with that ;)
[06:35] <Burgundavia> excellent, got a great screencast
[06:37] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: sweet, thanks!
[06:37] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: do you mind showing me too :)
[06:38] <Burgundavia> already up on DapperFlight6
[06:38] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: ah, okay
[06:40] <robotgeek> thanks, looks neat. kio-beagle in konqueror is also convienient
[06:43] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: the theme just changed, so you might want to reshot the screenshots
[06:44] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: I would also point you at ReportingBugs for the section on repoting bugs
[06:45] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: do you have an idea for a good first screencast?
[06:45] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: i'm sorry, i lost the link to byznaz
[06:45] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: apt-get install byzanz
[06:46] <robotgeek> i keep mistyping the thing
[06:46] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, robotgeek had the idea to make a screencast about making screencasts, so that the community can start contributing as soon as possible.
[06:46] <Burgundavia> not certain that is the sort of thing that needs to be screencast
[06:47] <Burgundavia> but I could document the way I made this screencast
[06:49] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: i pulled that reporting bugs content from DapperReleaseNotes, but anyway, that is a good start page, i will change it
[06:49] <Burgundavia> ReportingBugs does need some cleanup
[06:49] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, ok. well i think the first thing a new user needs to do (at least for many things), is to add the universe and multiverse repositories. a user who installed from cd would also need to change main and restricted repositories to the up-to-date internet repositories.
[06:49] <mgalvin> bah, i thought i got ubuntulook 10... is it really that different
[06:51] <Burgundavia> mgalvin: it just changed
[06:52] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: what are the rev numbers, i didn't see the Accepted msg go by?
[06:52] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:52] <Burgundavia> you might be right
[06:52] <mgalvin> i have ubuntulooks 0.9.9-1 and ubuntu-artwork-10
[06:53] <Burgundavia> that is the latest
[06:54] <rob> hi
[06:54] <mgalvin> whew, ok good
[06:55] <mgalvin> is there a new name for it or can i call it Carmelicious ;)
[07:02] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:02] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatingScreencasts
[07:06] <Madpilot> nice tutorial, Burgundavia
[07:07] <Burgundavia> want to write the ogg section?
[07:07] <mgalvin> cool
[07:13] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, that was pretty fast
[07:13] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: I move quickly when I want to
[07:13] <mlalkaka> UbuntuTutorials is up, and links to CreatingScreencasts.
[07:13] <mlalkaka> lol
[07:14] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: I would move that UbuntuTutorials to UbuntuVideoTutorials
[07:15] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, you're right, it's better to be specific
[07:17] <Burgundavia> I met on the TTC guys at UBZ and he was interested in video tutorials
[07:17] <Burgundavia> TTC = Tactical Technology
[07:17] <Burgundavia> Collective
[07:17] <mlalkaka> Burgundavia, how do i delete the UbuntuTutorial page now?
[07:17] <Burgundavia> they help NGO's with technology
[07:17] <Burgundavia> mlalkaka: more actions --> rename page
[07:28] <mlalkaka> alright i gtg
[07:28] <mlalkaka> thanks for all the help/input
[07:28] <mlalkaka> i've started a list of suggested tutorials on UbuntuVideoTutorials, in case anyone comes up with some good ones.
[07:30] <robotgeek> mlalkaka: cool. let's hope we are able to build on this
[07:31] <mlalkaka> robotgeek, i hope so too. i have my semester finals in two weeks, but i'll try to get started. if not, i'll start after my finals
[07:31] <Burgundavia> we need to fix up /Projects to be more inviting to someone new
[08:44] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so does that searchbar thing in Dapper only use Yahoo search for web stuff? Can you point it to other search engines instead?
[08:45] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yes, you can use google, but you need a key
[08:45] <Burgundavia> each user has to generate that key
[08:46] <Burgundavia> and deskbar needs  nice way of graphically taking that key, as currently you need to hack some stuff
[09:05] <mdke> morning
[09:06] <Burgundavia> morning mdke
[09:07] <mdke> hi corey
[09:38] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, sorry, was afk - by 'key' you mean a Google cookie thing, more or less?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: I think so
[09:40] <Burgundavia> install deskbar-applet and see for yourself
[09:40] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, did you watch that Novell user vid?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> nope, been working on my book
[09:41] <Burgundavia> I have tortured myself with a few of those videos
[09:42] <Madpilot> this one was quite painful, WRT the actual utility of screenshots in docs...
[09:43] <robitaille> Madpilot:  did you manage to get the sound?
[09:43] <Madpilot> robitaille, nope - might have to try something other than totem-xine
[09:47] <janimo> hello
[09:47] <janimo> is it now easier to get svn access to the doc repo than it used too?
[09:47] <janimo> there are some people interested in keeping xubuntu-docs there
[09:48] <Burgundavia> janimo: the general rule is patches then access, but if someone has some work elsewhere we can look it, we can accelerate the process
[09:49] <janimo> Burgundavia: thanks I'll tell the person to come to this channel and talk about it
[09:49] <Burgundavia> janimo: thanks
[09:49] <Madpilot> given that we have no xubuntu-docs in our SVN at all AFAIK, patches would be kind of hard... :P
[09:49] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: patches can add stuff
[09:49] <janimo> he is making a xubuntu-desktop-guide based on the ubuntu one
[09:50] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, true
[09:50] <Burgundavia> but if they are adding new docs, they can just send the file for an inital import
[09:51] <Madpilot> janimo, cool - UDG has already been "ported" to Kubuntu DG, nice to see it's going to Xubuntu as well
[09:51] <janimo> Madpilot: yes :)
[09:51] <janimo> it is even closer to the ubuntu one than kubuntu
[09:51] <janimo> more apps are shared
[09:53] <Madpilot> janimo, are you (and the XDG author) on the docteam mailing list?
[09:53] <janimo> Madpilot: nope
[09:53] <janimo> I can start tracking that though
[09:53] <janimo> through gmane
[09:53] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact <-- janimo
[09:54] <janimo> ok 'subscribed' :)
[09:55] <janimo> was there a plan for switching doc team to bzr?
[10:05] <mdke> a vague one, but nothing particularly concrete yet
[10:59] <Burgundavia> night
[11:02] <Madpilot> night
[07:10] <Burgwork> anybody around who knows printers well?
[07:11] <trappist> I recently successfully troubleshot both of mine and learned a lot, if that counts - but as they say in the support channels, just ask your question :)
[07:12] <Burgwork> no, I am looking for somebody to write some stuff about printers for pay
[07:12] <trappist> ah.  that's not me but I know somebody
[09:59] <Skirka> hello
[09:59] <LaserJock> hi Skirka
[10:00] <Skirka> is there documentation somewhere that explains how to install ubuntu and be able to dual boot with windows?
[10:00] <LaserJock> Skirka: I'm pretty sure there is something on wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:00] <Skirka> thanks
[10:01] <luzi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[10:01] <luzi> hey, i've started some work on a xubuntu desktop guide and have some questions.
[10:02] <robotgeek> luzi: go ahead.
[10:03] <luzi> i've heard that ubuntu-doc people would be willing to integrate it in their svn repository.
[10:03] <Burgwork> yep
[10:04] <luzi> you can check out a 'demo' at http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/build/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[10:04] <luzi> and a tarball at http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/xubuntu-doc-firststeps.tar.gz
[10:05] <robotgeek> luzi: looks nice, but if it needs to go out with dapper, the string freeze is april 6th
[10:06] <luzi> oh. that's very little time, i'm afraid...
[10:08] <Burgwork> luzi, yes. You might be able to a specific exemption for it
[10:08] <robotgeek> luzi: i think you might want to mail the list with this link
[10:08] <luzi> ok, i'll mail to the list then.
[10:09] <luzi> so do i just wait for someone to put in svn, and then send patches?
[10:09] <luzi> i'm kinda new to all this...
[10:10] <trappist> Burgwork: lemme know if you still need a printer god
[10:10] <robotgeek> luzi: well, the general procedure is that someone will put it in the repository and you will keep sending in patches
[10:12] <luzi> ok, and how about images? for example, i modified the 'admon' pictures, because they were renedered against a white background.
[10:15] <robotgeek> luzi: admon?
[10:16] <luzi> i mean the images for 'caution', 'important', 'tip', ... in ubuntu-doc/common/admon
[10:16] <robotgeek> luzi: no a good idea, the rest of the docs use those
[10:17] <robotgeek> luzi: you can have images elsewhere tho
[10:19] <luzi> yeah, but i think duplicating the images wouldn't make sense. instead, they 'common' images should be rendered against a transparent background, which would suit everyone.
[10:19] <luzi> s/they/the/
[10:21] <robotgeek> luzi: include that also in your email to the list :) i have no clue about images/transparency related issues
[11:06] <mdke> I'm not so sure the string freeze will necessarily have to apply for an xubuntu doc
[11:07] <mdke> there's no indication that edubuntu is going to be bound by it, so there's no reason xubuntu should too, unless they want to translate the documentation
[11:07] <mdke> luzi, ^
[11:12] <luzi> ok, good.
[11:13] <luzi> i don't think there's going to be translation for a while.
[11:14] <mdke> you haven't used much of the ubuntu desktop guide, perhaps you can copy some more of it
[11:14] <mdke> nice start though
[11:15] <mdke> where's the code?
[11:15] <robotgeek> luzi: also look at kubuntu :)
[11:15] <robotgeek> i copied over lot of stuff from ubuntu desktop guide (udg)
[11:16] <luzi> thanks! you can get the code at http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/xubuntu-doc-firststeps.tar.gz
[11:16] <mdke> luzi, is anyone else helping you out?
[11:16] <luzi> yeah, i hope to copy quite a bit of the good stuff from ubuntu and kubuntu desktop guide.
[11:16] <luzi> not at the moment, but i hope to get some more people aboard, once the stuff is set up.
[11:18] <mdke> transparent admon files would be much appreciated
[11:22] <Skirka> where would i find if my graphics card is supported under ubuntu
[11:22] <mdke> Skirka, best to search the wiki or forums
[11:23] <luzi> mdke, the transparent images would have to be done by the person who created them.
[11:24] <luzi> because in the PNG file, the layers are lost.
[11:24] <mdke> I have no idea where the files came from
[11:24] <mdke> I looked recently, and didn't find it
[11:25] <luzi> i made a quick hack, which will work for backgrounds which are close to white. it's here: http://www.doink.ch/xubuntu-doc/transparent-admon.tar.gz
[11:25] <mdke> you rock
[11:25] <mdke> we might have to remake icons then I suppose
[11:26] <mdke> know anyone who likes that sort of thing?
[11:26] <luzi> nope
[11:26] <mdke> so do your icons work on complete white?
[11:28] <luzi> yes, they should look exactly the same as before on a white background.
[11:30] <luzi> i'm slowly starting to get the hang of the GIMP ... :o)
[11:31] <mdke> :) ok I'm off, see you around
[11:32] <luzi> bye