[00:25] <pavlos> zdorovo: s/should/shows/
[00:52] <zdorovo> pavlos: I'm running wavemon now. what info did you want to see?
[00:53] <zdorovo> avg sig is -56dBm, tx-power is 22dBm, rx rate is 54 MBit/s
[00:53] <zdorovo> pavlos: i agree though, i'm starting to think the channel width is not really the problem...
[00:54] <zdorovo> pavlos: so now I'm back to not really knowing why my wifi is so slow
[00:54] <pavlos> zdorovo: my link quality is about 90% and signal level -50 dBm
[00:55] <zdorovo> aha, my link quality is 77% and signal level is 056dBm
[00:55] <zdorovo> -56dBm
[00:55] <pavlos> zdorovo: these look good
[00:57] <oerheks> maybe reset your modem if you encounter unlogical speed isues.
[00:57] <pavlos> zdorovo: maybe change channel, you may get interference from overlapping wifi
[01:00] <zdorovo> hmmmmm i just realized i had "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1" in my iwlwifi.conf file and apparently that disables 802.11ac as well in newer kernels
[01:00] <zdorovo> see: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Iwlwifi
[01:01] <zdorovo> I set it to 0 instead and now I'm gonna try restarting my laptop
[01:03] <zdorovo> sweet jesus, it worked
[01:03] <zdorovo> speedtest.net results jumped from 15Mbps to 207Mbps lol
[01:04] <zdorovo> ty everyone for your moral support
[01:06] <oerheks> :-)
[01:08] <pavlos> zdorovo: outstanding !!
[01:27] <woleium> Hifolks, I've ont used Ubuntu for a couple of years, so snaps are new to me. I just installed Atom editor and can't seem to work out how to `atom file.txt` from a shell. Is this possible with flatpack software?
[01:27] <woleium> s/snaps/flatpaks/
[01:30] <sarnold> I think flatpak things are usually gui tools with file-pickers that use 'portals' to open files across the sandboxing
[01:31] <woleium> Maybe a text editor isnt the best thing to flatpak then?
[01:31] <woleium> There is a ppa I can add to install via apt.
[01:32] <sarnold> it depends how you use it, I think; a lot of folks using text editors never see command lines
[01:32] <sarnold> certainly I couldn't tolerate that :)
[01:32] <woleium> lol
[01:32] <sarnold> but some people never leave their IDE
[01:32] <woleium> Right, IDE - not text editor
[01:33] <woleium> I'm only a lowly sysadmin :)
[01:58] <Roey> hello. I'm unable to mount my external hard drive for some reason--I mount it, but when I look at the mount point, it is empty, and when I issue "mount", I don't see it listed at all.
[01:59] <matsaman> Roey: how're you mounting it?
[01:59] <sarnold> Roey: check dmesg, it's possible an error message was printed there
[02:01] <Roey> [591670.888179] systemd-fstab-generator[726983]: Failed to create unit file /run/systemd/generator/backup.mount, as it already exists. Duplicate entry in /etc/fstab?
[02:02] <Roey> sarnold: this came from dmesg output
[02:02] <sarnold> heh, that's an error alright, but I don't think that'd actually interfere with the mount
[02:02] <Roey> matsaman: I'm doing "mount /dev/sdc /backup"
[02:02] <Roey> hello. I'm unable to mount my external hard drive for some reason--I mount it, but when I look at the mount point, it is empty, and when I issue "mount", I don't see it listed at all.
[02:02] <Roey> er
[02:02] <Roey> so *in* that backup.mount, i see this:
[02:02] <Roey> [Mount]
[02:02] <Roey> Where=/backup
[02:02] <Roey> What=/dev/disk/by-uuid/a97c6ad9-8d34-4b05-b709-56a787eb8e82
[02:02] <matsaman> Roey: ordinarily it is partitions you mount (/dev/sdc1, for example), and not devices (/dev/sdc)
[02:03] <Roey> k
[02:03] <matsaman> Roey: you can see everything from lsblk -f
[02:03] <Roey> sure
[02:03] <Roey> listen i Think the issue has to do with the UUID.
[02:04] <Roey> because I have both external hard drives' UUIDs in /etc/fstab set to mount to /backup
[02:04] <Roey> I alternate between one and the other every week
[02:04] <sarnold> so long as only one is ever mounted at a time that's probably fine
[02:04] <Roey> they're two backup hard drives.
[02:04] <Roey> right
[02:04] <Roey> now, the thing is , if you look up at that backup.mount, you'll notice it specifies a UUID there.
[02:04] <matsaman> Roey: UUIDs are stupid, they're non-human-readable
[02:04] <matsaman> give them some LABELs
[02:05] <Roey> right.
[02:05] <Roey> anyway I am wondering if that backup.mount is using the wrong UUID
[02:05] <sarnold> hmmmmm, maybe that is the cause of the systemd error you pasted though
[02:05] <matsaman> it could be
[02:05] <matsaman> check lsblk -f
[02:05] <sarnold> (but I also don't think that systemd error is what's keeping the mount from working)
[02:05] <Roey> matsaman: er, yeah, see, the UUID from this disk does not match the UUID in backup.mount
[02:06] <matsaman> mount LABEL=correctlabelhere /mnt/path should work
[02:06] <Roey> ok.
[02:06] <matsaman> and mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/path should work (given device sdc and the first partition)
[02:06] <matsaman> that is the simplest test
[02:07] <Roey> there is no /dve/sdc1
[02:07] <Roey> just /dve/sdc
[02:07] <Roey> I tried /dev/sdc1 and it complained that there is no such partition
[02:07] <matsaman> you need to check lsblk -f
[02:07] <Roey> yeah I see that there isn't one
[02:08] <Roey> it's just /dev/sdc
[02:08] <matsaman> Roey: you see sda, sdb, and sdc and those are all the devices? You know what sda & sdb are? You're certain sdc is this backup drie?
[02:08] <matsaman> drive*?
[02:09] <matsaman> if you remove the drive, lsblk -f should no longer list /dev/sdc
[02:09] <matsaman> is your other backup drive an identical model, partition scheme, filesystem setup?
[02:10] <Roey> matsaman: yes, the backup drive is on /dev/sdc.
[02:10] <Roey> matsaman: theo ther drive is identical pretty much
[02:11] <Roey> I'm using borg backup on them
[02:11] <matsaman> so if you unplug this drive and plug in the other one, what do you see?
[02:11] <matsaman> just /dev/sdc ? Or something more?
[02:11] <Roey> matsaman: I did dmesg -w, and in antoher window issued mount /dev/sdc /backup and got this: "EXT4-fs (sdc): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)".  Yet it still won't show up in the output of "mount", or even just browsing to that mountpoint.
[02:12] <Roey> matsaman: if I plug in the other one, I'd see /dev/sdc, yeah
[02:12] <matsaman> the question is whether you'd see more
[02:12] <matsaman> like /dev/sdc1
[02:12] <matsaman> which is what would be ordinary
[02:13] <Roey> listen--
[02:13] <Roey> I didn't make any partitions on it.
[02:13] <Roey> I just ran ext4.mkfs /dev/sdc.
[02:13] <Roey> done.
[02:13] <Roey> :)
[02:13] <sarnold> Roey: did you check in a different shell than the one you used to mount the drive?
[02:14] <Roey> yeah, saw the same thing there.
[02:14] <matsaman> Roey: well check the other drive anyway
[02:14] <matsaman> it'll tell you if it's a problem unique to one of your drives, or if, instead, it's your system that has changed
[02:14] <Roey> ok
[02:14] <Roey> I'm pretty sure it's the latter
[02:14] <matsaman> the latter would be a better problem
[02:15] <Roey> yeah
[02:15] <matsaman> a software/configuration problem rather than potentially hardware failure
[02:15] <Roey> I mean the drives are relatively still new
[02:15] <matsaman> and I'm assuming they both have approximately the same data
[02:15] <Roey> right
[02:29] <groovy> yo anyone around that can answer a noob question?
[02:29] <sarnold> maybe :)
[02:30] <groovy> I want to commit/push stuff to github from my ubuntu machine
[02:30] <groovy> and I have the SSH stuff set up
[02:30] <groovy> but I want to automate it a bit and have ssh-agent run and ssh-add the rsa key
[02:30] <groovy> and I added smth to my .profile
[02:32] <groovy> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Gach9okn/my%20snip
[02:32] <groovy> this is what's in my .profile
[02:32] <groovy> and the script is literally jsut echoing the password
[02:32] <groovy> now if I log in to my machine and run the script and pipe that to ssh-add it says identity added and everything is gucci
[02:33] <groovy> however whenever I reboot the machine I get an error message
[02:34] <groovy> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Ep9lrqTl/error%20message
[02:35] <groovy> so it seems like my stuff is working but this throws an error on startup??
[02:35] <groovy> and I've tried redirecting the input of the sshaskpass script to /dev/null like the man page suggested and that didn't work and I tried redirecting the stdout of the ssh-add portion to /dev/null and that also failed
[02:37] <sarnold> hmm I can't find any bit of that error mess in debian's code search
[02:37] <sarnold> that means it's either ubuntu-specific (which is hard to tell) or it's coming from something else..
[02:37] <groovy> idk if this is relevant but I'm running Ubuntu in Virtual Box
[02:37] <groovy> ?
[02:37] <sarnold> oh that's possible their guest additions are funny
[02:38] <groovy> @_@
[02:38] <sarnold> so, I've got a few thoughts ..
[02:38] <matsaman> groovy: I wonder if ~/.config/autostart/ would be a better place to refer to it from
[02:38] <sarnold> first , this feels like it'd be easier to just take the password off the key
[02:38] <sarnold> and skip quite a lot of this :)
[02:38] <groovy> i'm v new to unix/github/command line stuff etc
[02:38] <matsaman> groovy: or if you truly only want it when you're using an interactive shell in a terminal window, maybe ~/.bashrc
[02:38] <groovy> matsaman: i had it in .bashrc and it didn't work either so i moved it to profile :<
[02:38] <sarnold> second, I thought our desktop environments usually started ssh-agent for you, so I'm surprised you're starting one of your own here
[02:39] <groovy> um I kept running into gnome-keyring-daemon running
[02:39] <groovy> which was causing some kind of issue and a SO/SE post lead me to the if *** fi stuff about ssh-agent over that
[02:39] <groovy> so it could work with pushing github stuff to a remote repo
[02:42] <sarnold> yeah, I could believe that; you could probably just remove all the ssh-agent stuff in your config, and if you strip off the password, stuff in the ssh-add command and it might Just Work
[02:43] <groovy> sarnold: yeah I came across smth about removing the passphrase but I guess I just got stubborn on making it work the first way/curious to see if I could make it work
[02:44] <sarnold> groovy: one point I'm not sure about -- this is a guess -- but probably the tooling that asks for the ssh key phrase will open a terminal itself when asking for the password. I wouldn't expect that you'd be able to pass in the password via another tool like that.
[02:45] <groovy> idk what i'm doing 100% i just read the manpage for ssh-add saying if SSH_ASKPASS was ssh-add would run the script there
[02:46] <sarnold> hah, funny, I never looked into how SSH_ASKPASS actually works :)
[02:51] <BalooRJ> Does anyone know if Blu-Ray playback works in Ubuntu 20.04? I noticed the libbluray1 library is currently not in the repo
[02:51] <matsaman> BalooRJ: probably in 'universe' repo
[02:52] <groovy> guess i'll just remove the password and write a script to start ssh-agent and ssh-add teh rsa key
[02:53] <sarnold> BalooRJ: it's packaged in focal https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbluray
[02:53] <sarnold> groovy: I still think starting the ssh-agent yourself isn't necessary
[02:53] <BalooRJ> sarnold: Thanks I see its called libbluray2 now
[02:54] <matsaman> groovy: might ask #bash or #linux
[02:54] <matsaman> groovy: about the original issue
[03:46] <xbfrog> ubuntu 20.04 in terminal says 2 packages can be "upgraded" but when i search google returns either upgrade the os or update files. why is terminal saying upgrade?
[03:46] <xbfrog> or simply what is the command to upgrade these 2 packages
[03:47] <groovy> matsaman: yeah idk it's just weird i guess
[03:47] <groovy> i just wrote a bash script for ssh-add and put it in .bashrc
[03:48] <groovy> and when i open a bash shell it shows the output and then user@machine
[03:48] <groovy> but when i run ssh-add -l
[03:49] <groovy> it says no identities added T_T
[03:49] <groovy> and then if i run the script manually.... it works and ssh-add -l shows the key
[03:51] <Bashing-om> xbfrog: Show the channel in a pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' so we see what you see.
[03:51] <xbfrog> ok thanks
[03:54] <doug16k> is there a way to tell `apt-get source` to not patch it?
[03:55] <doug16k> I guess I can just download and extract it
[04:10] <chalcedony> my husband seems to have lost or forgotten whatever program he was using to see photographs on the SD card. He's using ubuntu 18.04 again.
[04:11] <chalcedony> i'm not even sure his computer is seeing the card.
[04:11] <doug16k> shotwell maybe?
[04:12] <chalcedony> hmmm
[04:12] <doug16k> if you open Files the external storage should come up in the left pane with a little eject button at the right end of it
[04:12] <chalcedony> lovely
[04:13] <chalcedony> i was using lshw which gives too much and not enough
[04:14] <doug16k> you can also look under /media/your-username-here and any automatically mounted external storage should be there, one directory per mount
[04:15] <matsaman> and if you want more trouble instead of less, there are ways to mount it with the card still in the camera
[06:03] <ApOgEE> hello
[06:06] <Syndrom> why always restarts?
[06:07] <Syndrom> cause kernel update okay
[06:54] <Maik> Syndrom: unless you use Livepatch
[06:55] <Maik> Syndrom: Livepatch is for LTS releases only afaik
[06:56] <Maik> https://ubuntu.com/security/livepatch
[07:28] <laza> I use tweaks or `setxkbmap -device 3 -option ctrl:nocaps,compose:rctrl` to disable capslock and relocate the compose key. Now after a while these settings are undone somehow. It started after playing around with some other ibus input methods (like m17n). I removed all of the input methods again, but still see the reset happening once in a while. Any ideas? (20.04.1 LTS)
[07:29] <laza> That is in the same session, while typing (not after relogin).
[07:38] <DarkTrick> who manages debs, that I download and install manually? E.g. if I download the latest libre office and install it (about 20 - 30 debs) and then I install libre office from the repos, does the installation process knows it's the same software and cleans up the firstly installed version?
[07:39] <guiverc> DarkTrick, it'll depend on how packaged, if the packager has built it only for Ubuntu use, it'll likely know & cope well, if built for debian/ubuntu/... it'll likely not be customized to run on any well & it's up to the installer/operator themselves to manage
[07:40]  * guiverc not just Ubuntu; to cope properly they'd need to package a focal version groovy version, bionic version etc....
[07:41] <guiverc> and most 3rd party packagers don't do that
[07:42] <DarkTrick> My concern is, that if I install the latest version of libre office (e.g. for helping them test), that I gradually end up trashing my harddisk because apt/dpkg doesn't know what belongs together and... me as a user even less.
[07:43] <DarkTrick> *always install the latest versions
[07:43] <DarkTrick> (This of course holds true for other alpha/beta SW as well.)
[07:44] <guiverc> DarkTrick, testing is best done on test boxes; not your primary/workhorse box.  (says me who does tests on this box; but I've other boxes I can use; plus this is dual boot with bionic if I need it)
[07:45] <DarkTrick> guiverc, I understand the point, but it's no help regarding the concern :)
[07:46] <guiverc> I thought I'd answered that.  To be safe for a Ubuntu focal system, it needs to be packaged only for Ubuntu focal. Also a different package for my groovy system, for bionic users etc... Most 3rd party test software is packaged for everyone thus may conflict with your default packages; thus my testbox suggestion
[07:47] <guiverc> my 2c
[08:14] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: if you install .deb packages, all the information goes into the same system database (stored in /var/lib/dpkg/)
[08:14] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: the debs are replaced cleanly unless there's a packaging bug somewhere (which you'll notice because apt will complain loudly)
[08:14] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: so as long as the package _names_ match, you should be fine
[08:15] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: you can always check if you have any deb packages installed without matching versions in the ubuntu archive if you want to be sure to return your system to a clean state
[08:15] <mgedmin> (if only I remembered what that command was...)
[08:16] <mgedmin> (I use apt-show-versions|grep "No available version in archive", but there's a nicer, more modern way)
[08:29] <nms> Hi
[08:30] <luna_> hey
[08:30] <nms> Sup
[08:30] <luna_> nothing much listening to a podcast and awaits an online conference that starts again in 1 hour and 15 minutes
[08:32] <nms> Cool
[08:33] <nms> Sooo are you into rpg text stories on the phone (nlp say no more...)
[08:34] <luna_> nope
[08:34] <nms> How about if theres pictures
[08:35] <luna_> nah not really my thing
[08:36] <nms> Nice, but cool ... errr and your thing...
[08:40] <mgedmin> lol I did a firmware update from snap-store and now the uefi bios doesn't see grub as a boot option but goes directly into the windows bood manager
[08:42] <nms> Soooo stories: "I had a story told to me...", a pirate with a peg leg and an eyepatch trailed off in a crowded coffie shop. The coffie shop had just one window showing a bustling metropolis and an occasional flying car.
[08:43] <nms> Boot repair - reinstall grub
[08:47] <nms> There's a flash disk to download
[08:57] <nms> Bood repair sorry
[09:08] <mgedmin> how does one tell grub to use a particular grub.cfg at the grub command prompt?
[09:08] <mgedmin> configfile (hd1,gpt5)/boot/grub/grub.cfg it is
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: not sure if this is helpfull, but maybe something usefull here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | unknwn1
[09:15] <mgedmin> lotuspsychje: that is cool; it's what I do already for my rescue USB, but I didn't know about this wiki page
[09:16] <nms> minutestory.org
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah sometimes users ask alternate methods when they dont have usb/cd media
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> nms: not here please
[09:17] <nms> Ok
[09:19] <nuala> welp! ubuntu 20.04/gedit 3.36.2: i use default dark colorscheme (dark background, white font color) but somehow current active line is now highlighted in white too @.@ what did i press, why and how can i undo that mess? ^^;
[09:19] <bumbar> i've installed ubuntu 20.04 on my laptop and am getting black screen after login (disk unlock and login screen work). tried setting "nomodeset" in grub as per some askubuntu replies, doesn't seem to help. live usb works fine
[09:20] <mgedmin> okay grub-install seems to've fixed the efi boot vars
[09:20] <nuala> bumbar: can you switch to text login (ctrl+alt+f5 e.g.) and login there?
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: : )
[09:21] <mgedmin> now to go back into the uefi setup and reenable secure boot
[09:21] <mgedmin> speaking of, how can I install grub into an usb drive so it boots with secure boot enabled?
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> let me call eric, he's our uefi wizard
[09:22] <mgedmin> can I have shim chain-boot into grub?  do I have to sign something with the MOK?
[09:23] <bumbar> nuala, yeah if i do it before logging in in X. can also ssh
[09:23] <keithzg> mgedmin: Hmm I thought the bootable USB install images worked with UEFI Secure Boot by default? I swear they do when created with the Startup Disk Creator, at least.
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: <mgedmin> speaking of, how can I install grub into an usb drive so it boots with secure boot enabled?
[09:24] <mgedmin> yes, but I want to have multiple ISO images on the USB drive and choose between then from the grub menu
[09:24] <mgedmin> which is more or less the same technique as described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[09:24] <mgedmin> and it works great, when I have secure boot disabled
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> oh, there are some multi usb tools for that
[09:25] <EriC^^> mgedmin: the initial grub that's booting use shimx64.efi instead of grubx64.efi
[09:27] <mgedmin> oh yeah that makes sense
[09:33] <nuala> bumbar: try another WM to further locate the issue?
[09:35] <bumbar> i've install nvidia driver 455 and it seems to work now
[09:36] <bumbar> spoke too soon, but at least i can login now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[09:38] <DarkTrick> guiverc, mgedmin Thank you for clearing up. I understand "it depends".
[09:39] <DarkTrick> Sad, but apparently not enough people bother
[09:40] <DarkTrick> bumbar: ¯_(シ)_\/¯
[09:52] <mgedmin> I can't find a shimx64.efi anywhere on the ubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:54] <mgedmin> unless it's /mnt/EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.EFI
[09:54] <mgedmin> but the sha256sum doesn't match /usr/lib/shim/shimx64.efi.signed
[09:57] <tarzeau> ~,
[09:57] <tarzeau> ~,
[10:00] <Cheaterman> Hi folks I hope y'all doing goodie! QQ - how does Ubuntu handle Nvidia drivers in Optimus setups nowadays? Is bumblebee+bbswitch+primus still "an option" for users, or is it full modesetting+glvnd? How do users typically start their apps on the dGPU? Thanks in advance :-)
[10:01] <Cheaterman> (while typing the lines I realized I should probably just read the docs...)
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> Cheaterman: bumblebee is outdated, installing your nvidia driver is enough to get it all
[10:01] <jatt> where is the default ntp server configured? Currently I have in the logs:
[10:01] <jatt> systemd-timesyncd[664]: Synchronized to time server <IP_ADDRESS>:123 (ntp.ubuntu.com)
[10:01] <jatt> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> Cheaterman: in nvidia-settings you can switch between powersaving - performance mode with optimus then
[10:02] <Cheaterman> lotuspsychje: yeah but I mean if you want the offloading to work you gotta set the env vars __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 and __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia right?
[10:02] <Cheaterman> lotuspsychje: how do users typically handle that
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> Cheaterman: if offloading doesnt work by default, you might wanna try the drivers from the ubuntu graphics ppa/latest for your card
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia
[10:05] <Cheaterman> lotuspsychje: I clicked that last link, bumblebee is in it
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> Cheaterman: yeah but bumblebee is not what you want anymore
[10:05] <Cheaterman> I generally agree that bumblebee is outdated, and I got things working here with modesetting, I was just wondering how Ubuntu users do it, because I didn't find documentation online about the env vars (other than the official nvidia changelog... which isn't ideal)
[10:06] <Cheaterman> (I'm not a Ubuntu user myself, I'm asking out of curiosity)
[10:08] <Cheaterman> Side-question would be about power draw and GPU clocks when on battery/AC, I noticed weird things here ; but first things first I'm wondering how Ubuntu users enable offloading to the nvidia GPU, given the env vars aren't really documented
[10:19] <hackinghorn> heh, my ubuntu is very smart. I turned it off with Suspend and it wakes up whenever I turn on the fan in the room. How does it do that?!
[10:24] <EriC^^> hackinghorn: maybe there's a piece of something on the touchpad and the air flow is letting it move a little?
[10:25] <hackinghorn> EriC^^, hmm that might be right
[10:25] <hackinghorn> or maybe the mousepad or mouse move a little
[10:25] <EriC^^> or maybe you're haunted :P
[10:30] <hackinghorn> lol yee
[10:57] <mystiquewolf> Hi, i need help in setting up the unattended-upgrades
[10:58] <mystiquewolf> They don't run on the machine
[10:58] <mystiquewolf> I have in file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades:
[10:59] <mystiquewolf> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[10:59] <mystiquewolf> APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";
[10:59] <mystiquewolf> APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1";
[11:00] <EriC^^> mystiquewolf: what does "systemctl status unattended-upgrades.service" give?
[11:00] <mystiquewolf> and inside 10periodic i have:
[11:00] <mystiquewolf> APT::Periodic::Enable "1";
[11:01] <mystiquewolf> ● unattended-upgrades.service - Unattended Upgrades Shutdown
[11:01] <mystiquewolf>      Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/unattended-upgrades.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[11:01] <mystiquewolf>      Active: active (running) since Fri 2020-10-16 11:05:46 EEST; 2h 55min ago
[11:01] <mystiquewolf>        Docs: man:unattended-upgrade(8)
[11:01] <mystiquewolf>    Main PID: 884 (unattended-upgr)
[11:01] <mystiquewolf>       Tasks: 2 (limit: 4480)
[11:02] <mystiquewolf>      Memory: 8.2M
[11:02] <mystiquewolf>      CGroup: /system.slice/unattended-upgrades.service
[11:02] <mystiquewolf>              └─884 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/share/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown --wait-for-signal
[11:04] <mystiquewolf> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TJz2PRCsYJ/
[11:15] <mystiquewolf> Did anyone get this link https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TJz2PRCsYJ/ ? Not sure i can't see it in the irclogs
[11:16] <Habbie> mystiquewolf, i see it 11 minutes ago and just now from you
[11:16] <mystiquewolf> I'm such a newbie with IRC, sorry
[11:26] <bloketokesmoke> hi i read that nettools is depreciated and that "tell me what its called please"
[11:26] <bloketokesmoke> have only needed to use a few tools, but want to read more about it
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:27] <bloketokesmoke> BluesKaj, herro
[11:27] <BluesKaj> hi bloketokesmoke
[11:31] <bloketokesmoke> okay google is my friend iproute2 replaces net-tools
[11:31] <bloketokesmoke> BluesKaj, did you get my pm champ
[11:32] <BluesKaj> yup
[11:32] <bloketokesmoke> cool
[11:32] <bloketokesmoke> think e1s asleep so we can go offtopic
[11:49] <bloketokesmoke> hey guys if i want a daemon or program/script to run at boot where do i need to place it for it to run persistently
[11:49] <EriC^^> bloketokesmoke: you could make a systemd service unit for it
[11:50] <bloketokesmoke> lets say a script
[11:50] <bloketokesmoke> what should i google EriC^^
[11:50] <EriC^^> bloketokesmoke: https://askubuntu.com/questions/919054/how-do-i-run-a-single-command-at-startup-using-systemd
[11:50] <bloketokesmoke> ty EriC^^
[11:51] <EriC^^> np
[11:51] <Gnjurac> hi in ubuntu 2020 how do i add right click to file manager,  this default one is nautils right even its called 'files' in about, i tryed installing nautilus-actions but for some reson they dont work i fill it but nothing shows
[11:52] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | Gnjurac: there is and will be no "Ubuntu 2020"
[11:53] <tomreyn> (and please ignore ubottu for now)
[11:53] <bloketokesmoke> he's tripping out
[11:53] <tomreyn> ... other than for the YY.MM hint
[11:53] <Gnjurac> tomreyn 20.04 lts i think
[11:54] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds     or Settings -> Details    should tell you what you run#
[11:55] <tomreyn> i'm not sure about the nautilus-actions situation in 20.04 LTS, i'll see if i can find anything about it.
[11:56] <Gnjurac> ok but can i add any other way to rightclick run script
[11:57] <Gnjurac> on video minetypes
[11:58] <Gnjurac> if i make a .desktop  and put it in local/shared/applications but duno how to add it to right click for all videos
[12:00] <tomreyn> hmm, you could certainly define an "open with" target by having a desktop file which states that your script can handle the given mime type
[12:00] <oerheks> !info nautilus-extension-fma
[12:00] <oerheks> from https://askubuntu.com/questions/1138673/is-filemanager-actions-working-with-19-04
[12:01] <tomreyn> in focal, nautilus-actions is actually a transitional package depending on both filemanager-actions and nautilus-extension-fma
[12:03] <Mexit> Hello,I just tested the latest image of Ubuntu 20.10. Unfortunately, there is no loopback.cfg file that allows the system to boot directly from the ISO image (through grub2).Will this be permanent?
[12:04] <oerheks> Merc, join #ubuntu+1 for groovy support, until release
[12:04] <oerheks> !groovy
[12:04] <Gnjurac> i think nuatilius -g fixed it for me
[12:05] <Gnjurac> but ty
[12:05] <tomreyn> Gnjurac: when you say "i fill it but nothing shows", what is it that you're filling actually, and into what?
[12:05] <tomreyn> oh it's solved, nice.
[12:05] <Gnjurac> yep ty
[12:05] <Gnjurac> duno how i dident saw that link myself
[12:06] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what exactly fma-config-tool does, but it may be worth running this command.
[12:07] <tomreyn> see also file:///usr/share/doc/filemanager-actions/README
[12:10] <bloketokesmoke> hello tomreyn oerheks tomreyn EriC^^  wsup homies
[12:12] <tomreyn> hi bloketokesmoke
[12:40] <Gnjurac> hmm
[12:40] <Gnjurac> this noutilius is retarded
[12:42] <Gnjurac> so i added file manager actiosn it i add user bin gedit %f  it opens file with gedit but if i want to run a python3 script it does nothign, /usr/bin/python3  pathtoscript %f but if i run /usr/bin/python3  pathtoscript %f  from terminal myslef it works no problem
[12:58] <Gnjurac> hmm so it works for python just it wont work for OpenSubtitleDownlaoder.py
[12:58] <Gnjurac> for some retarded reason
[13:00] <oerheks> maybe because it is a python2 thingy?
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> Gnjurac: try subdownloader from the repos
[13:01] <tomreyn> /usr/bin/python3 would likely run into problems trying to run python2 code, yes
[13:01] <Gnjurac> runing it with python3 OpenSubDL form terminal works no problem
[13:01] <Gnjurac> so dont think that is an issue
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[13:13] <lotuspsychje> he12457: not here please
[13:15] <he12457> OK bro
[13:16] <tomreyn> he12457: nor elsewhere on Freenode, spam (and scams, and ponzi schemes) are off-topic on Freenodes
[13:16] <EriC^^> and illegal
[13:16] <tomreyn> * Freenode
[13:27] <he12457> https://www.easttexasmatters.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/34/2020/09/911-091120.jpghttps://www.easttexasmatters.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/34/2020/09/911-091120.jpg
[13:29] <oerheks> heap_, wrong channel dude
[13:29] <oerheks> sorry heap, he is gone
[13:42] <Hallcyon> So au.archive.ubuntu.com is down and keeps going down as its run on aarnet and its not reliable
[13:44] <oerheks> Hallcyon, there are more mirrors in AU https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[13:45] <Hallcyon> I need to make a script to update a lot of servers
[13:45] <Hallcyon> ssh and update each server
[13:45] <Hallcyon> I was thinking of adding multiple sources for redundancy
[13:45] <oerheks> yes? select a proper mirror first then
[13:46] <wedr> Did something changed recently in Ubuntu 20.04 with Gnome? It's no longer possible to **permanently** display hidden files anymore.
[13:47] <Hallcyon> aarnet Is Australia's education mirror its used for scientific research and for hell of a lot of research it surprising its down so often lately, its default for a lot of distros
[13:47] <wedr> Upon a reboot, Gnome 3 no longer displays hidden files.
[13:47] <oerheks> wedr ctrl + h would show them again, and should stick.
[13:48] <wedr> That's what I did
[13:48] <wedr> After a reboot, it defaults back to false
[13:53] <Gwalenn> hi, after 3/4 incremantal backup with tar, it says the directory are renamed and make a like a full backup. I do not understant
[14:01] <grinchier> hello all,  can anyone tell me why secure boot keeps turning itself back on after some time on my hp laptop
[14:01] <tuxinator> oerheks: it is unbelieveable, that one can't have multiple mirrors set in parallel like mageia/mandrake and i also think centos do
[14:02] <tuxinator> grinchier: next time don't buy HP :D  sorry couldn't resist
[14:02] <tuxinator> if i remember, you have to confirm to disable secureboot
[14:03] <tuxinator> maybe the bios battery is empty
[14:03] <grinchier> it stays disabled for like a week.   then turns back on
[14:03] <grinchier> hmm i usually keep it plugged in.
[14:03] <oerheks> secure boot should not be a problem for ubuntu, it is supported.
[14:03] <grinchier> doesn't work with my wifi card though
[14:03] <oerheks> weird, contact HP for this?
[14:04] <grinchier> i have to disable secure boot for my wifi to work
[14:04] <tuxinator> grinchier: please explain further, i see no connection between secureboot and wifi at all
[14:05] <grinchier> it doesn't have drivers.  i found on google i had  to use a method to install special drivers that are not signed
[14:06] <oerheks> there ar MOK utils to make it happen
[14:06] <grinchier> it is actually my sisters pc and my niece is using it for school.  they are bringing it over later i can't remember the wifi model
[14:06] <oerheks> !info mokutil
[14:06] <grinchier> ok so i can use mok to make sure it is always disabled yes/
[14:06] <grinchier> ok ty
[14:08] <grinchier> is there somewhere i can put a request to have the wifi card supported in ubuntu?
[14:09] <oerheks> one can put a request on launchpad, it depends on the source you provide them
[14:09] <grinchier> ok ty
[14:11] <grinchier> have a nice day
[14:11] <leibniz[m]> Anyone has any idea what the heck is this proces in my iotop? root [jbd2/sda6-8] . It writes ~50KiB every 3 seconds to my HDD and causes a noise. extremely annoying
[14:15] <mgedmin> leibniz[m]: it's a kernel thread, jbd stands for "journaling block device"
[14:16] <mgedmin> leibniz[m]: look for laptop mode tools; iirc they include tweaks that reduce ext4 journalling interval to keep the disk from spinning up, at the cost of increased chance of data loss
[14:17] <mgedmin> or invest in an SSD, you can find no better investment for a laptop
[14:17] <leibniz[m]> mgedmin: I'm actually using TLP. I don't know why it didn't stop them. Firefox is also writing to HDD frequently although way less often
[14:17] <mgedmin> or look for the actual process that writes to disk and causes jbd to wake up and flush metadata
[14:19] <leibniz[m]> mgedmin: do you know how can I trace it>
[14:19] <leibniz[m]> I've been witch hunting processes since this has started. docker, postgres, ...
[14:22] <mgedmin> uh, there are definitely tools
[14:22] <mgedmin> atop
[14:22] <mgedmin> iotop
[14:22] <mgedmin> sysstat
[14:23] <mgedmin> some kernel sysctl can log all block i/o in dmesg with the pid that caused it
[14:45] <leibniz[m]> mgedmin: http://i.imgur.com/9019JVf.png
[14:45] <leibniz[m]> Can I catch a process by TID?
[14:51] <mgedmin> sure
[14:51] <mgedmin> the screenshort already shows you what process it was
[14:52] <tomreyn> "TID" in the iotop output seems to stand for "thread ID", which can be passed the "ps" as arguments
[14:53] <pavlos> ps -eo pid,tid,cmd
[14:53] <tomreyn> s/passed the/passed to/
[14:58] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: 248 ?        S      0:02 [jbd2/sda6-8]
[14:59] <leibniz[m]> still I can't find which process is using it
[14:59] <leibniz[m]> It has written ~8 MiB to disk over 20 mins!
[15:03] <oerheks> on that screenshot, i see firefox writing 108.00K
[15:04] <leibniz[m]> oerheks: It also shouldn't happen (because TLP) but this jdb2 issue is more urgent
[15:08] <tomreyn> leibniz[m]: processes in (square) brackets indicate kernel threads
[15:09] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: So is it normal? It is writing to HDD very frequently. Much more than anyhting else
[15:09] <tomreyn> it can be. jbd2 is the journalling comppnent of the ext file system
[15:10] <oerheks> from your other screenshot, it is firefox that eats the most I/O https://i.imgur.com/8Y6wIK3.png
[15:10] <tomreyn> depending on how you're mounting file systems, journalling can cause a LOT of I/O
[15:11] <leibniz[m]> oerheks: yeah you are right. But this jbd2 thread is accessing hdd every 3 seconds
[15:11] <leibniz[m]> very annoying
[15:12] <leibniz[m]> Is this because I'm on dual boot?
[15:12] <tomreyn> no
[15:13] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I just searched for jdb2 in both bionic and focal, neither is a string in a filename existing on either system nor as a string in any filenames in either repos
[15:13] <mgedmin> it is a kernel thread, leftyfb
[15:13] <oerheks> jbd2 is a kernel thread that updates the filesystem journal.
[15:13] <leftyfb> mgedmin: I don't see it in any ps either
[15:14] <tomreyn> do you have ext file systems?
[15:14] <leftyfb> yes
[15:15] <oerheks> i guess it is journalctl
[15:15] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: So is there a way to disable this jdb2 thing. It's responsible for ~2.87% of IO
[15:15] <tomreyn> well, i see "[jbd2/...]" on bionic in "ps auxw" output
[15:15] <mgedmin> leftyfb: ps ax|grep jbd
[15:16] <tomreyn> leibniz[m]: if you want to disable journalling, you could use file systems which do not support journalling. but i'm not sure that's a good solution to the (perceived?) "problem".
[15:17] <leftyfb> ah, it's jbd, not jdb which leibniz[m] posted above at one point that I copied from :)
[15:17] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: ok. Is there a way to force all processes (kernel and otherwise) to first buffer to RAM then load to hdd?
[15:17] <leibniz[m]> leftyfb: sorry
[15:18] <leibniz[m]> Isn't TLP supposed to do this?
[15:18] <tomreyn> leibniz[m]: you could tell us how your journalling file systems are mounted (mount options as per "cat /proc/mounts"), maybe that's a good way to approach optimizations.
[15:19] <leibniz[m]> https://termbin.com/eulitomreyn: sorry. here it is
[15:19] <tomreyn> also which kernel version you're running. and please confirm you're using a proper installation of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
[15:20] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: Actually Xubuntu 18.04. And in a i3wm session. 5.4.0-51-generic
[15:21] <tomreyn> okay, you have "relatime" on the only file system with journalling, which is the root file system (backed by /dev/sda6)
[15:22] <tomreyn> that's default and should be fine
[15:24] <patrick_1> I'm looking for a place where a newbie could get help with a partition question?
[15:24] <leibniz[m]> Why sda7 and 8 are not listed tomreyn:
[15:25] <tomreyn> leibniz[m]: because they weren't mounted at the time you collected this info.
[15:25] <tomreyn> patrick_1: if this is about a supported ubuntu release (see /topic), here's a good place.
[15:26] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: so jdb/sda6-8 doesn't mean that jdb is working for sda 7 and 8 also?
[15:26] <leibniz[m]> Also NTFS doesn't have this realtime journaling feature?
[15:27] <tomreyn> NTFS journalling won't be in the kernel
[15:29] <patrick_1> thanks tomreyn. I recently updated to 20.04 and during the reinstall my home got moved to a small partition. I went to move it to another partition and am now the terminal only shows this and I'm afraid to proceed without breaking something...
[15:29] <tomreyn> i do not know how and when exactly the "jdb/sda6-8" name is set, but would guess it happens early during boot, when file systems are examined.
[15:29] <patrick_1>  /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[15:29] <patrick_1> #
[15:29] <patrick_1> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
[15:29] <patrick_1> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
[15:29] <patrick_1> # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[15:29] <tomreyn> !paste | patrick_1
[15:35] <tomreyn> patrick_1: you can talk again since TheRedQueen removed the quiet flag on you. we didn't receive all of your output, so feel free to re-post to the pastebin, and then post the url here.
[15:38] <tomreyn> patrick_1: also, this seems contradictory to me: "I recently updated to 20.04 and during the reinstall my home got moved to a small partition." - Did you carry out a release upgrade from an earlier ubuntu release, or did you reinstall 20.04?
[15:40] <patrick_1> i reinstalled 20.04
[15:42] <tomreyn> patrick_1: so this system was already running ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and you then used the 20.04 installer to reinstall?
[15:43] <tomreyn> patrick_1: i don't think this would move your /home file system around, though. maybe i'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
[15:44] <TJ-> tomreyn: Maybe patrick_1 used the disk partitioner in the installer to resize the partition (or LV) containing the /home/ file-system ?
[15:46] <tomreyn> TJ-: hmm, maybe, i think only patrick_1 would know for sure, though.
[15:46] <patrick_1> upon reinstalling the home was in a different partition then previously. I tried to edit the fstab in a text editior and now the terminal is showing the above problem
[15:46] <tomreyn> and we haven't seen what it is that the "terminal only shows this", yet
[15:48] <tomreyn> patrick_1: so i suggest you should show the current fstab, on the pastebin, and explain what you changed
[15:49] <patrick_1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VPHY2cfFfK/plain/
[15:50] <EriC^^> patrick_1: last 2 lines seem bad
[15:51] <oerheks> EriC^^, noticed that, may lines cut-off
[15:51] <EriC^^> patrick_1: they should be on the same line, UUID=.... /media/home ext4.....
[15:51] <EriC^^> also what is that 011 in the swap line, is that standard now?
[15:51] <EriC^^> 011 seems fishy
[15:52] <tomreyn> the "pass" field should still be a single digit only, i think
[15:52] <oerheks> and post you blkid
[15:52] <tomreyn> and for swap, should be 0
[15:54] <tomreyn> patrick_1: oerheks is saying: post the output of the "blkid" command, to the pastebin
[15:55] <patrick_1> can I do this from the # /etc/fstab screen on the terminal?
[15:57] <patrick_1> when i try to exit this screen it says save modified buffer
[15:57] <tomreyn> so you're in a text editor, nano, apparently
[15:58] <patrick_1> yes
[15:58] <tomreyn> i suggest you save this modified buffer, but under a different file name than the one provided, e.g. /etc/fstab.new
[15:58] <tomreyn> then we can compare the old to the new file
[15:59] <patrick_1> saved. Back to a terminal
[16:00] <tomreyn> here's a properly formatted copy of your edited fstab, for reference: https://termbin.com/enxe
[16:00] <patrick_1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dGbCGYXfFq/
[16:01] <tomreyn> now show us the previous, unedited, fstab: cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:04] <patrick_1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qhq8mxFNJn/
[16:04] <tomreyn> can you explain what these posts are?
[16:05] <patrick_1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qhq8mxFNJn/ is cat /etc/fstab
[16:06] <patrick_1> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dGbCGYXfFq/ is sudo blkid
[16:07] <patrick_1> This is a steep learning curve /]
[16:09] <tomreyn> patrick_1: yes, learning to work on a temrinal can be a bit challenging initially (but you'll soon notice how this is also very useful). you're doing a good job.
[16:09] <patrick_1> you all are awesome
[16:10] <tomreyn> patrick_1: if https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qhq8mxFNJn/ shows your current /etc/fstab then this means you already edited it, and the original version is aready lost, so we won't be able to see both versions, and depend on you to tell us what you changed.
[16:11] <tomreyn> i assume you only meant to add the two lines (should have been a single line) about "/media/home", is this correct?
[16:11] <patrick_1> i only meant to change the last lines.
[16:12] <tomreyn> i.e.: can you confirm that you only added lines 13 and 14 of https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qhq8mxFNJn/ and made no other changes?
[16:12] <tomreyn> no other *intentional* changes, i should have said
[16:12] <patrick_1> how would I confirm I changed only 13 & 14?
[16:14] <pavlos> patrick_1: this is how your /etc/fstab should look like: https://termbin.com/9o1t
[16:14] <mgedmin> install etckeeper next time so you can track changes to files in /etc
[16:15] <random1> Having issues with my screen staying dim. I have the settings turned off for autodim and i have brightness all the way up. Also tried the brightness setting on my laptop keyboard but same issue. My battery is old but it seems to charge. Was having an issue earlier where it stayed at 12% for a while but now its going up normally after i took the
[16:15] <random1> battery out and plugged it back in. Not sure if thats relevant but figured its worth mentioning.
[16:18] <mgedmin> is this an old laptop?  the inverter might be dying
[16:18] <random1> refurbished laptop
[16:18] <random1> HP Elitebook 8460p
[16:20] <nhkays> that should be managed by the power manager, iit shouldn't matter what state the battery is in
[16:20] <mgedmin> does the screen brightness change at all when you adjust the brightness slider in the top-right system menu?
[16:20] <random1> yrd
[16:20] <random1> yes8
[16:20] <random1> yes* (typo morning lol)
[16:20] <random1> It reminds me like the setting is on when laptop isnt plugged in to automatically dim it
[16:21] <nhkays> what desktop environment are you running?
[16:21] <random1> even though its plugged in
[16:21] <nhkays> gnome 3?
[16:21] <random1> Ubuntu 20.04
[16:21] <random1> oh
[16:21] <random1> whatever initially comes with Ubuntu 20.04
[16:21] <nhkays> look through settings and see if you can find power management
[16:21] <nhkays> (i don't know how it's done on ubuntu)
[16:22] <random1> Im at the power management
[16:22] <three> your screen wont dim?
[16:22] <random1> "Dim screen when inactive" is off. Blank screen is "never.
[16:22] <random1> Quite the opposite three
[16:22] <three> and it still dims?
[16:22] <nhkays> random1: yesm but what bout low battery state?
[16:23] <three> 'xset s off' will turn off screen dimming
[16:23] <nhkays> ^
[16:23] <mgedmin> random1: do you dual-boot?  this sounds like a hardware problem (screen too dim even at maximum brightness)
[16:23] <three> but it needs to be ran every time x is ran
[16:23] <random1> the batter was staying at 12% for a long time. But its charging up now
[16:23] <mgedmin> if another OS on the same machine can produce a brighter screen, then it's a driver problem of some kind
[16:23] <random1> three: did not work
[16:23] <three> try 'xset s off -dpms'
[16:23] <mgedmin> battery level shouldn't have any effect on screen brightness (as long as it's > 0)
[16:24] <random1> mgedmin: i do get a report error everytime i boot up ubuntu
[16:24] <three> actually
[16:24] <nhkays> right, so it is a battery thing. power management will govern that. see if there's an option for battery level and brightness
[16:24] <three> run 'who' to see what your display is labeled as
[16:24] <three> it should be at the end of the line of your current session
[16:24] <three> most likly :0
[16:25] <random1> three: codelife :0           2020-10-16 11:05 (:0)
[16:26] <three> try running 'DISPLAY=:0 xset s off"
[16:26] <random1> three: nothing happened
[16:26] <three> that will only work as long as you dont restart your laptop or log out of your desktop enviorment
[16:26] <three> it shouldnt blank your screen anymore
[16:27] <random1> three: its not about my screen blanking. My screen seems like its dimmed like i have the option for dim screen when not plugged in
[16:27] <three> ohhh i missunderstood
[16:27] <random1> i tried keyboard brightness and the option in settings as well
[16:28] <three> and its normally brighter?
[16:28] <ash_worksi> is there a `deselect all` shortcut key?
[16:28] <random1> yeah
[16:28] <ash_worksi> like, the opposite of ^a
[16:28] <random1> ash_worksi: nope
[16:28] <ash_worksi> :\
[16:28] <random1> -_-
[16:29] <random1> its not super dim but its dim enough that its a bit annoying
[16:29] <nhkays> random1: it will be in your power manager settings
[16:29] <random1> yeah thats what i initially went in to
[16:30] <random1> everything is fine in my settings
[16:30] <three> heres something you can try
[16:30] <random1> Power settings*
[16:30] <random1> might try a brightness program or something
[16:30] <random1> see if it works. not sure of one to try though
[16:30] <random1> something for display/brightness
[16:31] <nhkays> a bit like digging yourself out of a hole
[16:31] <three> random1 i think i found the problem you are experiencing
[16:31] <three> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1034305/brightness-problem-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[16:31] <random1> three: im all ears
[16:31] <random1> nhkays: lol..
[16:31] <three> you probably want to follow the first answer and try that
[16:31] <random1> nhkays: pass the crumpets and tea please. stressful morning for me
[16:32] <ash_worksi> I don't suppose anyone knows of a away to defocus on ddg ?
[16:33] <three> ash_worksi what do you mean
[16:33] <ash_worksi> I was so happy to find out the otherday you can navigate results using j and k, and focus the search bar using /
[16:33] <nhkays> three: doesn't gnome handle the screen brightness in ubuntu, wouldn't it make more sense to fix that source o fthe problem ratherthan mask it?
[16:33] <ash_worksi> but still a bit tedious if I want more vim-like behaviour and I cant defocus a result
[16:34] <nhkays> ash_worksi: do you use Firefox? why not use tridactyl?
[16:34] <ash_worksi> nhkays: because you never told me about it until now
[16:34] <mason> ash_worksi: What would happen after the defocus?
[16:34] <ash_worksi> what is that?
[16:34] <random1> blah
[16:34] <random1> still dont work
[16:34] <ash_worksi> mason: I could use ^f to go where i want
[16:34] <nhkays> ash_worksi: vim bindings for firefox
[16:34] <random1> think i need to reboot for changes to take effect ? three
[16:35] <three> nhkays as he said that ended up not being his problem anyway
[16:35] <three> yes you do
[16:35] <mason> ash_worksi: ^f still pulls up the in-page find box for me - what am I missing?
[16:35] <three> that post i linked was just some people that reported the same issue as what it sounds like random1 is experiencing
[16:35] <ash_worksi> it would be nice if whereever the page was currently find would search from there instead of taking me to the top
[16:36] <random1> blah i got other things to do today. Got some studies to do. I will just deal with this later -_-
[16:36] <mason> ash_worksi: Oh, odd. What you want is the behaviour I see by default.
[16:36] <random1> thanks for the help anyhow everyone
[16:36] <ash_worksi> mason: so, lets pretend your on a page: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38197096/typescript-what-is-type-url/41675806
[16:36] <three> random1 did you just install ubuntu today? has it dont this before?
[16:36] <ash_worksi> I see a link on there ot a handbook
[16:37] <random1> three: no its been installed. just happened this morning
[16:37] <ash_worksi> if I ^f handbook, I can highlight it, then press enter and off I go
[16:37] <three> hate to suggest this but did you already try rebooting you laptop?
[16:37] <mason> ash_worksi: kk
[16:37] <mason> ash_worksi: That all works.
[16:37] <ash_worksi> but on duckduckgo
[16:37] <ash_worksi> if you use the ever-so-awesome j/k keys to navigate results
[16:38] <ash_worksi> then you can't acurately use this method to trigger "more results"
[16:38] <mason> More results? I hit enter and it takes me to the selected link.
[16:38] <nhkays> been using tridactyl with ddg exlusively for months, no problem
[16:38] <ash_worksi> you *can* do that if results are defocused, but *even* if you use h to get back to the search box, ddg uses it's own focusing mechanism to keep your search result focused
[16:39] <mason> Oh, I see. I reflexively hit escape before hitting enter, assuming that's what you wanted to have happen.
[16:39] <mason> ash_worksi: So, rather than hitting enter, hit ^f again.
[16:39] <ash_worksi> mason: maybe you're missing what I'm saying, lets try a _counter example_
[16:39] <ash_worksi> suppose you see this: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=canonical&q=hello+world
[16:39] <mason> Not ^f again. Let me try to remember what's tickling the back of my mind.
[16:40] <ash_worksi> press j to go down the list
[16:40] <ash_worksi> when you hit the end you'll see "more results"
[16:40] <ash_worksi> if you attempt ^f more results, esc the find box and press enter, you will actually go to the last j selected
[16:40] <ash_worksi> (and also trigger more results)
[16:41] <ash_worksi> (you might have to give it a second to actually experience this behaviour)
[16:42] <mason> Ah, because it's still selected and enter is still captured.
[16:42] <mason> I see what you mean.
[16:42] <nhkays> are we talking about vim bindings on ddg?
[16:43] <ash_worksi> nhkays: I was just explaining my problem
[16:43] <mason> ash_worksi: You can probably script something up: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29346239/duckduckgo-api-how-to-get-more-results
[16:44] <ash_worksi> well, I think I'm gonna try this tridactyl thing
[16:44] <mason> ash_worksi: I use a trackball, which is sufficiently pleasant that I don't mind using it when faced with that kind of thing. If I used a mouse or trackpad I could see it being tedious.
[16:44] <ash_worksi> trackpad is the worst
[16:44] <ash_worksi> and I am on a laptop
[16:45] <three> ash_works what DE are you using
[16:45] <ash_worksi> DE?
[16:45] <ash_worksi> dev env?
[16:45] <three> desktp enviorment
[16:45] <ash_worksi> um... whatever 18 is now...
[16:45] <ash_worksi> gnome I think
[16:45] <three> check out some window managers if you hate the trackpad
[16:46] <ash_worksi> yeah?
[16:46] <ash_worksi> suggestions to get me started?
[16:46] <three> yeah quit draggin windows around
[16:46] <ash_worksi> three: I don't _think_ I am dragging windows around (haven't used it in awhile)
[16:46] <three> i like dwm but i've heard xmonad is more beginner friendly. lots of people love i3
[16:47] <ash_worksi> what did you mean by that?
[16:47] <three> you just said you hate the trackpad thats all
[16:47] <three> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/window_manager
[16:47] <ash_worksi> i3 is a window manager or typo of "it" ?
[16:47] <three> i3 is a window manager
[16:47] <ash_worksi> okay
[16:47] <mason> I tend to require fonts of a certain size, and I'm stuck to 80x40 windows, so overlap is inescapable, but you can retrofit tiling-style navigation to overlapping windows.
[16:48] <ash_worksi> but what I meant was "what did you mean by quit dragging windows around"? Are trackpads often associated with windows?
[16:48] <ash_worksi> OH
[16:48] <ash_worksi> quit dragging *actual* windows around
[16:48] <three> well on a laptop a window manager is nice cause you only have one screen and it will tile the windows for you instead of you needing to drag them
[16:49] <three> yes lol
[16:49] <ash_worksi> I most often use the super key
[16:50] <three> yeah WMs just take that to another level. NGL i only use dwm on one machine but it makes working with one screen a lot nicer
[16:50] <ash_worksi> and actually, most most often just super + up arrow
[16:50] <ash_worksi> ngl is a de?
[16:50] <nhkays> i3 config looks like a batch script
[16:50] <three> not gonna lie*
[16:50] <three> yeah i3 is suppose to be really easy to configure. though i havent messed with it
[16:50] <ash_worksi> oh
[16:51] <nhkays> i3 has an unmaintainable config file
[16:51] <three> i should use acronyms in a linux irc
[16:51] <three> shoudlnt*
[16:51] <nhkays> everything is declarative, no logic at all
[16:51] <ash_worksi> three: I use afai* all the time
[16:51] <ash_worksi> and iirc
[16:51] <three> ive heard good things about xmonads config
[16:51] <nhkays> so if you have 10 different workspaces, and you want some functionality on al 10, you have to declaratively apply them
[16:52] <three> its all in haskell i believe
[16:52] <nhkays> qtile looks good, if you know Python
[16:52] <three> you mean per workspace?
[16:52] <ash_worksi> I appreciate the suggestions, but it seems like tridactyl probably takes care of a lot of my initial problems
[16:53] <nhkays> yes, it's horrible
[16:53] <nhkays> altough, i3 provides a socket that you can configure it over, so there's that
[16:53] <three> thats dumb. I've heard a lot of people shit on i3 but never really knew why
[16:53] <nhkays> qtile has a server too
[16:53] <three> qtile sounds cool if its in python
[16:53] <nhkays> yeah, i use it because it's the only available WM in qubes dom0
[16:53] <nhkays> but i don't like it
[16:54] <nhkays> yeah, it's nice
[16:54] <nhkays> ^ qtile
[16:54] <three> wait i3s the only available in what
[16:54] <nhkays> qubes dom0
[16:54] <nhkays> QubesOS
[16:54] <nhkays> their dom0 uses fedora 25
[16:55] <tomreyn> patrick_1: you won't be able to confirm you changes only those two lines now, unless you have a backup of /etc/fstab.
[16:55] <three> ohh i see now. I had never heard of it
[16:55] <nhkays> i had dwm run on it, but there are some other issues with the frame buffer
[16:55] <three> i was just about to say you could compile dwm
[16:56] <nhkays> yeah, i totally would, very small amount of dependencies
[16:56] <nhkays> none in fact
[16:56] <nhkays> but it requires a fair amount of dedication. same with st
[16:56] <tomreyn> patrick_1: i suggest you download a copy of one of the fstab variants pavlos ( https://termbin.com/9o1t ) and I ( https://termbin.com/enxe ) had created, and use them to replace your currently broken /etc/fstab.
[16:56] <nhkays> (i don't know C)
[16:56] <three> st kinda but not necessarily you could set the terminal to something else
[16:56] <three> i guess you dont even need a terminal
[16:57] <nhkays> well, i mean using st requires dedication
[16:57] <three> yeah patching st and dwm is a headache
[16:57] <three> but its not terrible
[16:57] <nhkays> aye, unmaintainable tbh
[16:57] <nhkays> unless you keep it small
[16:58] <nhkays> suckless guy is also a nazi, but hey
[16:58] <three> is he! lmao
[16:58] <nhkays> yep, some stuff online from a mailing list
[16:58] <nhkays> quite dark
[16:58] <tomreyn> patrick_1: which one of them you'll use should not matter, on a quick glance, they're essentially the same. here's how you can replace your existing fstab with my variant:  curl -s https://termbin.com/enxe | sudo tee /etc/fstab
[16:58] <three> yeah i mean for a main machine your gonna use theres defiantly better WMs out there but for something simple and light dwm is nice
[16:59] <nhkays> true, i think i will settle on qtile because it's python
[16:59] <nhkays> and no patching
[17:00] <three> idk honestly i find myself using DEs more often just for the aesthetic
[17:01] <nhkays> i need quick window switching while writing code
[17:01] <nhkays> also, i haven't used a mouse in about 3 months
[17:02] <nhkays> it broke and i haven't replaced it lol
[17:02] <nhkays> been using everything except my IDE
[17:02] <three> you just use tab?
[17:02] <nhkays> well, vimbindings on firefox, DE, terminal, and emacs/vim
[17:02] <three> like how do you get around the web
[17:02] <three> ahhh
[17:02] <nhkays> pretty much 99% of my workflow
[17:02] <three> is that an extension?
[17:02] <nhkays> tridactyl
[17:03] <howarthjw> wWat is the deal with linux-virtual-hwe-20.04 on focal? It causes linux-image-5.4.0-51-generic to be installed but that doesn't become the default kernel because 5.4.0-7642.46~1598628707~20.04~040157c~dev overrides it.
[17:04] <tomreyn> howarthjw: hmm, 5.4.0-7642.46~1598628707~20.04~040157c~dev does not look like an official kernel version to me.
[17:05] <ash_worksi> nhkays: thanks for telling me about tridactyl
[17:05] <howarthjw> I did a in place upgrade and that is what got installed
[17:05] <howarthjw> yesterday
[17:05] <tomreyn> howarthjw: can you show: apt policy linux-image-5.4.0-51-generic
[17:05] <tomreyn> howarthjw: can you show: apt policy linux-virtual-hwe-20.04
[17:05] <nhkays> ash_worksi: no problem :)
[17:06] <tomreyn> howarthjw: on a pastebin, please
[17:06] <howarthjw> linux-image-5.4.0-51-generic:
[17:06] <howarthjw>   Installed: 5.4.0-51.56
[17:06] <howarthjw>   Candidate: 5.4.0-51.56
[17:06] <howarthjw>   Version table:
[17:06] <howarthjw>  *** 5.4.0-51.56 500
[17:06] <howarthjw>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates/main amd64 Packages
[17:06] <ash_worksi> when enter hint mode, esc/enter do not break it
[17:06] <ash_worksi> or if they do, they live the sidepanel
[17:06] <ash_worksi> there is no exposure to the current mode so idk
[17:06] <tomreyn> howarthjw: you got quieted for a few seconds, use a pastebin instead, please
[17:07] <ash_worksi> nhkays: is that normal or is there something I'm missing?
[17:07] <tomreyn> howarthjw: you can post your pastebin link(s) now.
[17:09] <ash_worksi> nhkays: is there a better channel to ask about this kind of stuff?
[17:09] <nhkays> ash_worksi: oh, itmight be that the webpage must be in focus
[17:09] <ash_worksi> will f6 work with this extension to toggle the window focus?
[17:09] <nhkays> ash_worksi: bcause of the way web extensions work, they are essentially injected into the webpage, and don't operate outside of that
[17:10] <ash_worksi> ugh
[17:10] <nhkays> should work, vim doesn't rebind anything
[17:10] <ash_worksi> now I can't even get the hightlight mode
[17:10] <TJ-> howarthjw: that other kernel is from the system76-dev PPA
[17:10] <ash_worksi> I mean, up/down are controlling the page, so I assume that the extension should be operative
[17:10] <nhkays> ash_worksi: oh man, f6 thanks! that solves so many problems for me lol
[17:11] <ash_worksi> though the address bar says moz-extension:// .... I don't know if that chnages things
[17:11] <nhkays> ash_worksi: do you mean hint mode?
[17:11] <ash_worksi> what did I say?
[17:11] <ash_worksi> yeah
[17:11] <ash_worksi> hint mode
[17:12] <nhkays> ash_worksi: esc gets you out of hint mode
[17:12] <nhkays> you probably know that :S
[17:12] <nhkays> ash_worksi: oh, the extension doesn;t work on mozilla sites, or moz-extension://
[17:13] <nhkays> (web extension limitation)
[17:13] <ash_worksi> OOOOH
[17:13] <ash_worksi> because it was like...pseudo working
[17:13] <nhkays> i think it works on the tridactyl extension page
[17:13] <ash_worksi> OH WOW
[17:13] <ash_worksi> that's completely different
[17:14] <nhkays> yes
[17:14] <nhkays> its injected into the page, liek all web extension content-scripts
[17:14] <ash_worksi> `f` brought up a side panel and hightlighted everything completely differently
[17:14] <ash_worksi> (formerly did that ^)
[17:14] <ash_worksi> on the extension page I mean
[17:14] <nhkays> ahh
[17:14] <nhkays> yesm, just f
[17:15] <nhkays>  :help
[17:15] <ash_worksi> so...
[17:15] <nhkays>  :tabonly  <== close othe rtabs
[17:15] <ash_worksi> when I type :tutor
[17:15] <lapidary> Hi all, I have some odd network problems.  I have a home nat, with port forwarding for bitcon, all goes well for a few minutes, then my ubutnu server goes offline.  It is a new install of 20.04.1 about a week old.
[17:15] <ash_worksi> it gives me the expected dropdown
[17:15] <ash_worksi> but up/down do not select
[17:15] <lapidary> just for ipv4, not ipv6
[17:15] <nhkays> ash_worksi: hit tab to cycle
[17:15] <ash_worksi> ah
[17:15] <nhkays> not j/k
[17:15] <lapidary> all inbound traffic is refused, outbound is fine.
[17:16] <nhkays> you mostly use bindings
[17:16] <nhkays> but : does support command completion
[17:16] <nhkays> tab completion
[17:16] <ash_worksi> Is there something that states the mode?
[17:16] <nhkays> bottom right
[17:16] <ash_worksi> you're a life saver
[17:17] <ash_worksi> I never look there
[17:17] <ash_worksi> like.... ever
[17:17] <nhkays> ash_worksi: also there's an anoyance when you hover over a url, it's obscured, you need to edit teh chrome css to move it
[17:17] <oerheks> we love bitcoin issues, lapidary, what ubuntu version, bitcoin software and such?
[17:17] <nhkays> ash_worksi: like, the URL preview obscures the command buffer
[17:18] <oerheks> and did you check your bitcoin wallet recently|??
[17:18] <three> lapidary what have you done to the ubuntu server since you installed?
[17:19] <lapidary> 20.04.1 server edition, 20.0.1 from snap
[17:19] <lapidary> it also breaks ssh on the local network to that machine
[17:19] <nhkays> ash_worksi: https://termbin.com/fuos
[17:19] <nhkays> ^ moves the url preview to the top
[17:20] <ash_worksi> is there another way to toggle hint mode on and off
[17:20] <nhkays> %h/chrome/userChrome.css
[17:20] <ash_worksi> ah
[17:20] <ash_worksi> nvm
[17:20] <nhkays> ash_worksi: you can rebind the key
[17:20] <ash_worksi> I just don't like moving my left hand off home
[17:20] <lapidary> I thought it was a bad router, so I bought a new one.  Still goes out every few minutes.  IPV6 is fine, I bring the interfrace down and up, all is good
[17:20] <oerheks> tons of bitcoin stuff https://snapcraft.io/search?q=bitcoin
[17:21] <three> sounds like its something to do with your iptables or however you set up the firewall
[17:21] <ash_worksi> nhkays: the native tab bar?
[17:21] <three> did you make any changed to the firewall on the machine?
[17:21] <nhkays> ash_worksi: that's commented out
[17:22] <lapidary> since install, firewill is still wide open; ssh is installed, and so is everything for bitocoin
[17:22] <patrick_1> tomreyn: Got it fixed!! Thanks for being so patient and helpful. Good learning for me1
[17:22] <nhkays> ash_worksi: ignore it, + that stylesheet hide the URL preview i think
[17:22] <ash_worksi> nhkays: I mean, what is it talking about? or are you saying, I shouldn't care?
[17:22] <ash_worksi> I see
[17:22] <ash_worksi> I didn't see a url preview
[17:22] <ash_worksi> in fact
[17:22] <ash_worksi> I was justa bout to ask if I COULD get a preview
[17:22] <nhkays> ash_worksi: that TaskToolbar is the tab bar across the top
[17:23] <lapidary> I setup the config file for bitcoin to allow rpc login inside the network, and tried a USB network card; and installed the module for that.
[17:23] <nhkays> ash_worksi: well, you can mess with the CSS, just edit the top directive
[17:24] <nhkays> (because i don't use the mouse, i can't test it)
[17:24] <howarth> Okay. I see the problem. This is a System76 machine and the system76-dev that provides their nvidia drivers also shows kernels at you as well
[17:24] <ash_worksi> nhkays: I have so many questions
[17:24] <nhkays> shoot
[17:24] <ash_worksi> one, where does this script(?) go?
[17:24] <lapidary> three, is there something less trastic than restarting the network I can try and see at what point it comes back up>
[17:25] <ash_worksi> two, I still don't see a url preview
[17:25] <nhkays> ash_worksi: in %h/chrome/userChrome.css
[17:25] <ash_worksi> three, I don't see a taskbar... i don't think
[17:25] <nhkays> where %h is the profile directory
[17:25] <nhkays> ash_worksi: ignore the taskbar, it's the tab bar. i disable it from time-to-time
[17:25] <nhkays> because i used tab tree
[17:26] <three> lapidary im confused is it just the ubuntu server that cant connect or your whole network?
[17:26] <nhkays> ash_worksi: the URL preview is when you hover over a URL, it appears at the bottom
[17:26] <nhkays> ash_worksi: i disable it because it collides with the command buffer
[17:27] <nhkays> but you can move it to the top if you mess with the CSS -- statuspanel is the URL preview
[17:28] <Rubato> hi
[17:28] <Rubato> i have a problem my system keeps crashing
[17:28] <Rubato> in syslog i dont see anything unusual until reboot
[17:28] <Rubato> anywhere i can detect this?
[17:28] <ash_worksi> is tab tree another extension?
[17:29] <nhkays> Rubato: journalctl -rb
[17:29] <nhkays> Rubato: sudo journalctl -rb
[17:29] <ash_worksi> sudo !!
[17:29] <ash_worksi> :P
[17:29] <ash_worksi> Rubato: ignore me
[17:29] <nhkays> ash_worksi: yes, tree style tabs. it places tabs on the left as a tree. i disable the native tab bar because they both do the same ting
[17:30] <nhkays> but it has nothing to do with tridactyl
[17:30] <ash_worksi> okay, lastly the url preview
[17:30] <ash_worksi> oh
[17:30] <ash_worksi> i see what you're saying
[17:30] <nhkays> Rubato: sudo journalctl -r  <== without the b to see the logs form before the last boot
[17:30] <ash_worksi> okay, then I have more questions
[17:31] <nhkays> :)
[17:31] <ash_worksi> if i go here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29346239/duckduckgo-api-how-to-get-more-results
[17:31] <ash_worksi> in hint mode, "l" will take me to "about"
[17:31] <ash_worksi> which is great and all, but I don't get the same feedback with a mouse
[17:31] <ash_worksi> so, I don't *know* that I went to about
[17:32] <Rubato> well i need the logs from the previous boot
[17:32] <ash_worksi> this is especially confusing when the content of the hyperlink does not have the same heading as the anchor text
[17:32] <Rubato> now its running
[17:32] <nhkays> well, the feedback for me is that the about page opens :)
[17:32] <Rubato> and i dont see anything unusual
[17:32] <Rubato> also this looks pretty much the same as syslog
[17:33] <nhkays> Rubato: does your kernel panic?
[17:33] <ash_worksi> nhkays: for example, when i try the "Search API documentation" link
[17:33] <Rubato> i have no idea what happens
[17:33] <ash_worksi> (on the link I posted)
[17:33] <ash_worksi> takes me to "instant answer api"
[17:33] <Rubato> it just stops working so i need to hard reset
[17:33] <Rubato> and then it works again
[17:33] <ash_worksi> makes me question whether or not I actually went there
[17:33] <Rubato> but i cant see any reason why it stopped
[17:33] <Rubato> no logs anywhere
[17:33] <Rubato> it justs prompts a reboot
[17:34] <ash_worksi> with a mouse, I know I went there because said thing is implicitly highlighted (I hover over it)
[17:34] <Rubato> and before that i didnt see anything unusual
[17:34] <nhkays> ash_worksi: tridactyl isn't a solution to all problems :)
[17:34] <nhkays> Rubato: so your system hangs?
[17:35] <lapidary> three, just the server, and only inbound ipv4.
[17:37] <lapidary> since it happens on local network data too, it's puzzling.  I tried tcpdump, and I never see the inbound request and I never see the outbound rejection I get on my desktop.
[17:37] <Rubato> @nhkays yes
[17:37] <nhkays> Rubato: then what are you doing when it hangs?
[17:37] <nhkays> logs won't show you that
[17:38] <Rubato> nothing
[17:38] <Rubato> im not on the terminal
[17:38] <Rubato> its running plex
[17:38] <nhkays> well you must be doing something, browsing, running a program, switching to TTy something
[17:38] <nhkays> i see
[17:38] <Rubato> so its just a plex server
[17:38] <Rubato> supposedly
[17:38] <nhkays> it's probably a plex issue then
[17:39] <nhkays> maybe plex logs will give you something
[17:39] <Rubato> well If just plex stops
[17:39] <Rubato> yes
[17:39] <Rubato> but the whole server crashes
[17:39] <Rubato> i dont expect a single process to be able to crash a complete ubuntu server
[17:39] <nhkays> see if plex can be started in debug mode, you'd output verbose logs to a file, and on reboot, check to what poit plex got to when it started hanging
[17:40] <nhkays> Rubato: yes, neither do i. sometimes these things use utulities that have bugs, and end up creating zombie threads
[17:40] <Rubato> if plex would do something weird im pretty sure it would show up in logs before the whole server crashes
[17:40] <nhkays> it doesn't crash, it hangs
[17:40] <Rubato> and i would see other things like high load
[17:40] <nhkays> you an use cgroups to limit resources
[17:41] <nhkays> but if it's a zombie thread, it won't help you there
[17:41] <nhkays> for instance, i've seen lspci hang my whole system because it opens up a kernel thread, and it hangs the whole system
[17:41] <Rubato> this is a very powerfull local server
[17:41] <nhkays> oh ffs
[17:41] <nhkays> fine
[17:41] <nhkays> whatever
[17:42] <Rubato> even if plex would use 1000% of its resources supposedly it would not cause this without leaving a trace
[17:42] <Rubato> i cant believe
[17:47] <ash_worksi> okay back
[17:48] <ash_worksi> nhkays: so, is there not a way to get the link to highlight for a split second before navigating?
[17:50] <other_rick> Hello, I have problems for update the DNS on the resolv.conf always mask <IP_ADDRESS>, where I can read about that workfow?
[17:50] <ash_worksi> also, on fhttps://duckduckgo.com/api when i type f, the search box has [[K]HL] where K has a red bg and HL is gray bg
[17:50] <ash_worksi> what's that mean?
[17:50] <Rubato> let me try to upgrade ubuntu to 20.1
[17:51] <tomreyn> !man | other_rick: start with the systemd-resolved.service(8) man page
[17:52] <ash_worksi> s/fhttps/https/
[17:54] <ash_worksi> `;k` awesome
[17:55] <Rubato> finished
[17:55] <Rubato> lets see how it goes now
[17:58] <ash_worksi> nhkays: how do you yank arbitrary text?
[18:00] <nhkays> ash_worksi: ;p
[18:00] <nhkays> ash_worksi: ;y  <== yanks url
[18:01] <nhkays> ash_worksi: ;p <== yanks element content
[18:01] <nhkays> ash_worksi: btw, no clicky feedback. it doesn't actually click the button or activate any javascript, it just pulls the URL and loads the document
[18:02] <Kenjiro> hi there.
[18:02] <nhkays> hi
[18:02] <ash_worksi> nhkays: um, does the fact that ddg more results works using hint-mode contradict what you just said?
[18:03] <ash_worksi> nhkays: but more importantly, by arbitrary I mean not necessarily delimited by <a> or <p>
[18:03] <Kenjiro> I think I need a hand here. I am trying to run "apt-get update" on an Ubuntu 16.04 server but it gives this: W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease: Could not execute 'apt-key' to ver
[18:03] <ash_worksi> ie: in vim I would use ^v to hightlight text and y to yank
[18:03] <Kenjiro> gnature (is gnupg installed?)
[18:03] <Kenjiro> oops
[18:03] <Kenjiro> and yes, gnupg is installed
[18:04] <ash_worksi> Kenjiro: did you use sudo?
[18:04] <Kenjiro> sure
[18:04] <ash_worksi> "sure"?
[18:04] <Kenjiro> yep I did use 'sudo'
[18:04] <ash_worksi> okay; because often "sure" means something else :)
[18:04] <Kenjiro> LOL
[18:05] <ash_worksi> Idk that i can help, but are you able to run apt-key manually?
[18:08] <Kenjiro> I don't know which syntax I should use. So I just ran "apt-key" and it showed me the "help"
[18:10] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: can you run   apt-get update    and gather the full output, and post it to https://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[18:10] <Kenjiro> hold on...
[18:10] <tomreyn> alternatively, you could just run this to combine this with a few more steps:
[18:10] <tomreyn> sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1; sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[18:11] <Kenjiro> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DR8Ccfn7pY/
[18:12] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: how did you install this system?
[18:12] <oerheks> .. no keys at all ..
[18:12] <tomreyn> also: is this a VM, a container?
[18:12] <Kenjiro> It wasn't me. I believe it was upgraded from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 long ago
[18:12] <Kenjiro> it's a VM
[18:12] <tomreyn> which virtualizatio?
[18:12] <Kenjiro> Citrix XenServer
[18:13] <Kenjiro> I have another VM running ubuntu 16.04, also upgraded from 14.04 which works just fine
[18:13] <Kenjiro> (that other one was installed by me though)
[18:14] <tomreyn> so the other doesn'T return any warnings when you run    apt-get update ?
[18:15] <Kenjiro> no it just works. Did it a few minutes ago
[18:15] <tomreyn> can you run    cat /var/log/installer/media-info    on both?
[18:15] <Kenjiro> hold on
[18:15] <nhkays> ash_worksi: ;p <== yanks text. works for <p>, i've never tried it on say a div, with a nested element, but let me know.  and  i could be wrong about the whole clicky button thing, but (without readin gthe code) i assume that a clicked button just fetches some resource, e.g. a paginated REST item. i'm not sure of the technical details. it would be interesting to see
[18:16] <Kenjiro> working VM = Ubuntu-Server 14.04 LTS "Trusty Tahr" - Release amd64 (20140416.2)
[18:16] <Kenjiro> problematic VM = Ubuntu-Server 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release amd64 (20100427)
[18:16] <nhkays> ash_worksi: although, to append some data to some elements, i assume it will have to the use page's javascript, so yeah, maybe i am wrong.
[18:16] <Kenjiro> so... WOW... it was a 10.04 once
[18:17] <ash_worksi> nhkays: has there ever been a time where you wanted to select some particular snippet that was expressly delimited by html?
[18:17] <ash_worksi> s/select/yank/
[18:17] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: pretty old. maybe one of the release upgrades did not go well. it's certainly about time to reinstall this one soon.
[18:17] <ash_worksi> (often time I will want to do this when truncating something)
[18:17] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: ideally with soemthing newer than 16.04 (which looses free support in april)
[18:18] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: here's how you can add the _apt user account to tackle the first apt warning: https://askubuntu.com/questions/882039/no-sandbox-user-apt-on-the-system-can-not-drop-privileges
[18:18] <ash_worksi> I also dont suppose there is a way to focus on an element for inspection?
[18:18] <nhkays> ash_worksi: uhh, like, say an anchor element within a div? yeah, when you do ;p you will get more options than hint mode, or yanking a link, you will get hints for all elements -- so be very specific about the element you choose
[18:19] <hejkki> hi, anyone got davinci resolve to work on ubuntu? I got it installed, but all video clips appear black and with no audio
[18:19] <nhkays> ash_worksi: i don't lnow about inspection but ;; allows you to focus an element
[18:20] <ash_worksi> NICE
[18:20] <Kenjiro> tomreyn: the apt-get problem was already happening, before I removed the "_apt" user (following some possible fixes I found on the internet)
[18:20] <Kenjiro> but I will re-add that user
[18:20] <oerheks> hejkki, davinci resolve is not from our repos, right?
[18:20] <ash_worksi> sadly didn't work with ctrl+shift+I
[18:20] <hejkki> oerheks: nope
[18:20] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: i have never run into this situation, though, or heard of anyone else doing. so this system may not be in a great state, which is why i'm recommending a fresh installation. another reason would be that you'd get the current configurations for file systems (e.g. ext4 with good journalling options rather than ext3), partition sizes etc.
[18:20] <oerheks> binairy blob.
[18:21] <ash_worksi> but then, neither did ^f highlighting
[18:21] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: oh *you* removed the _apt user. did you make any other changes to the system we should know about?
[18:22] <oerheks> read the comments, drop davinci https://www.fosslinux.com/24381/how-to-install-davinci-resolve-on-ubuntu.htm
[18:22] <ash_worksi> Is there a better regex search extension than Mohd-PH/RegexSearch ?
[18:23] <Kenjiro> no, only that
[18:23] <Kenjiro> when I noticed that didn't fix the problem
[18:23] <Kenjiro> ok, the user was recreated and that particular warning is gone
[18:24] <nhkays> Kenjiro: sudo apt-cache clean
[18:24] <nhkays> in future
[18:24] <ash_worksi> nhkays: ;; is also a way to "ensure" you are clicking on the right link
[18:25] <nhkays> i see
[18:25] <ash_worksi> ie: focus a link and it should show something indicating it's focus, then press enter
[18:25] <nhkays> never used it for that, but yeah
[18:25] <nhkays> yeah, makes sense now that i think about it
[18:25] <ash_worksi> in any event, about my earlier question
[18:25] <ash_worksi> where in vim I would use visual mode
[18:26] <ash_worksi> to highlight something and yank
[18:26] <ash_worksi> often I don't want the enormity of what ;p gives
[18:26] <nhkays> oh i see, selective yanking?
[18:27] <Kenjiro> nhkays: 'clean' would be an invalid operation/option
[18:27] <ash_worksi> nhkays: yes :)
[18:28] <ash_worksi> nhkays: also, if you have suggestions for a better regex search other than Mohd-PH/RegexSearch, I would appreciate i
[18:28] <ash_worksi> it*
[18:28] <ash_worksi> one that implements shortcut keys would be nice
[18:28] <nhkays> Kenjiro: would it? im sure you can figure out how to clean the cache
[18:29] <nhkays> ash_worksi: i don't use regex search in the browser, but you can change te serach method to whatever you want
[18:29] <nhkays> ash_worksi: also, visual mode works : v
[18:30] <ash_worksi> nhkays: not sure what you mean by that
[18:30] <ash_worksi> oh?
[18:30] <nhkays> ash_worksi: i just don't know what you can do with it
[18:30] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: apt-cache clean, not apt-get clean (but i don't think it will help)
[18:30] <ash_worksi> um...
[18:30] <ash_worksi> this isn't very vimish
[18:30] <nhkays> ash_worksi: https://github.com/tridactyl/tridactyl
[18:30] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: actually the other way around, sorry
[18:31] <LuckyMan> hi
[18:31] <ash_worksi> I would do something like `/foo` `^v` down, down, `y`
[18:31] <nhkays> ash_worksi: it's a work in progress. i don't even think you can control the visual mode
[18:31] <LuckyMan> where do we discuss next ubuntu?
[18:31] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | LuckyMan
[18:32] <LuckyMan> thanks
[18:32] <ash_worksi> unfortunately, my time has come to an end
[18:32] <ash_worksi> thank you nhkays for your help
[18:32] <nhkays> np :)
[18:32] <ash_worksi> I'll try to understand more about tridactyl
[18:32] <ash_worksi> I too would like to rid myself of the mouse
[18:32] <ash_worksi> but I do need to be able to inspect stuff
[18:33] <ash_worksi> I wonder...
[18:33] <ash_worksi> oh this keyboard doesn't have one of those mouse menu things
[18:33] <ash_worksi> is there a way to force that on ubuntu?
[18:35] <nhkays> ash_worksi: xmodmap i think
[18:35] <nhkays> find th ekeycode, and map it to something
[18:36] <ash_worksi> I meant by default, is there some key combo that brings up that right-click drop down?
[18:36] <ash_worksi> on a keyboard that i had once upon a time, it was a dedicated key
[18:36] <TheWild> hello
[18:37] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: so "apt-get clean" clears the apt cache as well as downloaded package files (those are not in use). i don't think this will help in your situation, but it also won't do harm, so it's fine to try. other than this, you'll need to ensure that apt-get can properly verify package signatures using gpg.
[18:37] <TheWild> what are the rules of Linux making up the interface names on its own? (it was eth0; plugging the disk to another computer and now it's ens3)
[18:38] <tomreyn> it's not really linux, it's usually udev setting network interface names. the default naming scheme changed in ubuntu some years ago.
[18:39] <tomreyn> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[18:39] <tomreyn> such changes are also announced in ubuntu release notes
[18:40] <oerheks> Pred Networkinterface Naming  is a breeze
[18:40] <LuckyMan> where do I get android-studio support?
[18:42] <tomreyn> !alis | You could try a channel search on the Freenode network, LuckyMan
[18:42] <tomreyn> or a web search
[18:42] <Kenjiro> tomreyn: yeah... I am trying to find a way to make it verify the packages signatures :(
[18:43] <ash_worksi> k, thanka again
[18:43] <ash_worksi> ttyl
[18:43] <TheWild> thanks tomreyn
[18:43] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: does    apt-key finger    print anything?
[18:44] <nhkays> Kenjiro: `which api-key` <== what does that say
[18:44] <tomreyn> i think you mean: "apt-key"
[18:44] <nhkays> yes, brain is sluggish
[18:44] <nhkays> Kenjiro: `which apt-key` <== what does that say
[18:45] <nhkays> or ls -al `which apt-key`
[18:51] <Intelo> requests don't reach nginx. Not in access logs. Browser has request pending but here in configs all seems ok. How to debug?
[18:52] <nhkays> firewall?
[18:52] <Kenjiro> nhkays: /usr/bin/apt-key
[18:52] <nhkays> Kenjiro: ls -al `which apt-key`
[18:53] <tomreyn> wouldnt it be easier to just run the command?
[18:53] <Kenjiro> tomreyn: the result of 'apt-key finger' => https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tNc7ZssMfh/
[18:54] <Kenjiro> nhkays: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 21K May 21  2019 /usr/bin/apt-key
[18:55] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: that's missing the 2018 ubuntu archive signing key, which 18.04 has instaleld at /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ubuntu-keyring-2018-archive.gpg
[18:55] <tomreyn> i'm not certain that 16.04 needs it, but i assume it does
[18:56] <tomreyn> F6EC B376 2474 EDA9 D21B  7022 8719 20D1 991B C93C
[18:56] <Intelo> nhkays: no, nmap says open ports
[18:57] <Guma> Hello. I am setting up Point of Sales concept machine and it has cellillar access. That connection is already setup and working. The cell mode is configured as /dev/ttyUSB2. What I am looking for is some aplication that monitors up/down bandwith usage every month so I can get (api) such information and port it to main server. I am using Debian based distro on my PoS system.
[18:57] <nhkays> Intelo: right, do the packets leave the client machine?
[18:58] <leftyfb> !debian | Guma
[18:58] <Intelo> nhkays: wget says waiting for response. I don't see any access logs. <IP_ADDRESS>  is the ip of server
[18:59] <nhkays> Intelo: yes, but do the packets actually leave the client machine?
[18:59] <Kenjiro> tomreyn: thanks for your time and attention
[18:59] <Kenjiro> nhkays: you too
[18:59] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: do you have a file /var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_xenial-security_InRelease
[19:00] <tomreyn> ah no, you won't, you don't even seem to have security mirrors configured.
[19:00] <Kenjiro> no I don't have that file
[19:01] <Intelo> nhkays: how can I know?
[19:01] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: but you have this? /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_xenial_InRelease
[19:01] <tomreyn> Kenjiro: if so, run:  apt-key verify /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_xenial_InRelease
[19:01] <Kenjiro> thans for your time and attention. I talked to the guys who asked me to update that VM. They agreed it would be better to make a clean install
[19:02] <tomreyn> ok
[19:02] <tomreyn> good approach
[19:03] <Kenjiro> really, really thanks guys
[19:03] <nhkays> Intelo: you could use tcpdump, see if you get an ack packet, /or/ you can do `nmap -sS -p 80 xx.xxx.xxx.xxx` from the client machine
[19:03] <Kenjiro> have a nice weekedn
[19:03] <Kenjiro> *weekend
[19:03] <tomreyn> you, too
[19:05] <Intelo> nhnmap said 80/tcp open  http
[19:06] <nhkays> Intelo: does anything sit infront of the reverse proxy?
[19:06] <Intelo> no I gues
[19:06] <Intelo> nhkays:  can you open the site?
[19:06] <nhkays> no
[19:06] <Intelo> if you can, then its my network issue
[19:06] <Intelo> nhkays:  oh its not loading for you too? then its server issue
[19:06] <Intelo> nhkays: so how can i know?
[19:06] <nhkays> imean, i won't open random sites
[19:07] <Intelo> nhkays: just wget it
[19:07] <Intelo> safe
[19:08] <nhkays> anyway, nmap can sync with it, so it's not the client
[19:08] <Intelo> then?
[19:08] <nhkays> Intelo: does anything sit in front of the server?
[19:08] <nhkays> in front of the reverse proxy
[19:08] <Intelo> no
[19:08] <Intelo> it was working fine until i did nginx reload
[19:09] <nhkays> right, and nothing appears in the log?
[19:09] <nhkays> maybe you can run tcpdump on the server, and see if it receives a syn packet
[19:09] <nhkays> see if it does a three-way handshake
[19:10] <nhkays> nmap can sync with it
[19:10] <nhkays> so it appears that it does sync a connection
[19:12] <tomreyn> i can get a valid http response from the default host at this ip address and port
[19:13] <tomreyn> and this reponse serves an nginx default web page
[19:13] <Intelo> tomreyn: s you can load the site?
[19:13] <ash_mobile> For what it's worth control F6 brings up the context menu in Ubuntu
[19:14] <tomreyn> Intelo: yes
[19:14] <tomreyn> the default site
[19:14] <nhkays> Intelo: are you checking tnginx logs, or you webserver logs?
[19:14] <ash_mobile> So I guess using just trydactyl you could do ;; to focus an element and then ctrl F6 w/ whatever shortcut is for inspect element
[19:14] <Intelo> ngaio: nginx
[19:14] <tomreyn> !who | ash_mobile
[19:14] <nhkays> ash_mobile: i did not know that :)
[19:15] <ash_mobile> tomreyn there were several people talking to me earlier
[19:15] <Intelo> tomreyn:  i am going to restart my router to change ip then
[19:15] <ash_mobile> It was an epiphany I wanted to share with the channel
[19:16] <nhkays> Intelo: heh, maybe it's the HTTP cache on your client?
[19:16] <nhkays> idk
[19:17] <tomreyn> ash_mobile: cool, looks like nhkays was one of them, so this miracle seems solved. ;)
[19:17] <ash_mobile> :D
[19:25] <TheWild> how do I make a static interface name based on MAC address?
[19:25] <TheWild> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:18:f3:cd:f2:c1", KERNEL=="e*", NAME="ethernet"
[19:25] <TheWild> this one does not work
[19:26] <TheWild> It's Ubuntu 16.04.6, 32-bit
[19:28] <oerheks> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTR{address}=="xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx", NAME="eth0" .. but i would advise to use the standard name
[19:29] <sarnold> TheWild: do you spot the device in output of udevadm info -e  ?
[19:29] <sarnold> TheWild: the drivers bit looks *funny* to me, and the kernel restriction may not help either..
[19:31] <Linkandzelda> how do i get isync/mbsync to update the expire state for a domain? it is reading the old ssl cert which was renewed already
[19:32] <TheWild> sarnold: yes, it is visible
[19:32] <sarnold> TheWild: do all the attributes match what you've given?
[19:33] <TheWild> it doesn't not list the mac address :/
[19:35] <sarnold> oh curious, neither does mine :(
[19:38] <TheWild> damn, I'm dumb
[19:39] <tomreyn> Linkandzelda: so when you    openssl s_client -connect serveripaddressorhostname:port -showcerts    from the system you have isync / mbsync running on, you already see the updated certificate?
[19:39] <TheWild> out of habit setting up USB devices on vending machines, I was looking inside /dev/ directory for network interfaces
[19:39] <TheWild> ifconfig lists it nicely ;D
[19:39] <sarnold> TheWild: ah yeah, nics don't get dev nodes :(
[19:39] <sarnold> 'everything is a file' isn't really true :(
[19:40] <TheWild> sarnold: it's probably in /sys/somewhere
[19:40] <sarnold> btw, it'd be better to use ip instead of ifconfig, ifconfig can't support some networking features
[19:41] <leibniz[m]> Why I usually get hash mismatch while apt upgrade?
[19:41] <TJ-> TheWild: /sys/class/net/
[19:42] <leibniz[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vndhmhQb75/
[19:42] <TJ-> leibniz[m]: possibly there's a transparent HTTP proxy between you and the archive and it is inserting data into the responses ?
[19:43] <leibniz[m]> TJ-: yeah I use a vpn but apt can't see it. its not system wide
[19:43] <Linkandzelda> tomreyn: thank you that helped me to figure out that for some reason my certbot daily renew cron which is supposed to reload nginx dovecot and postfix did not run its post hook
[19:44] <tomreyn> Linkandzelda: you're welcome.
[19:44] <TJ-> leibniz[m]: I pulled that file and the hash matched
[19:45] <oerheks> clean lists and try again
[19:46] <oerheks> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade . https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[19:47] <TJ-> leibniz[m]: the file is a text file XZ compressed. If you download it manually you can look inside it and possibly figure out what is being changed?
[19:48] <TJ-> leibniz[m]: e.g: "pushd /tmp; wget http://ir.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/dc5f263f75d1f2ffa7e5e7af0817327f350a8e167042c26ca04c99203e7b4d3e ; sha256sum dc5f263f75d1f2ffa7e5e7af0817327f350a8e167042c26ca04c99203e7b4d3e ; cat dc5f263f75d1f2ffa7e5e7af0817327f350a8e167042c26ca04c99203e7b4d3e | xzcat | less "
[19:49] <tomreyn> this may or may not be related: i think the IR archive mirrors recently moved to a new ip address
[19:52] <leibniz[m]> TJ-: https://termbin.com/5gqh3
[19:52] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: This mismatch happens very often. like every 2 days
[19:55] <sarnold> leibniz[m]: the usual cause of hashsum mismatches is terrible web proxies, often they are *transparent* and run by an ISP or repressive government
[19:56] <sarnold> leibniz[m]: in this case my guess is the stupid proxy is serving you any old file of identical filesize that it has already downloaded
[19:56] <sarnold> .. well, the name matches, too, so it's not quite *that* stupid
[19:56] <sarnold> but it's pretty stupid
[19:57] <tomreyn> leibniz[m]: what you posted to termbin will be incomplete, termbin limits uploads to a fixed file size. so this doesn't help here.
[19:58] <TJ-> leibniz[m]: the downloaded size in your original paste showed identical file sizes; but as the hashes were different something was altered internally
[20:00] <sarnold> the proxy isn't changing anything though -- it's just serving a different file http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zKrMHZrDcQ/
[20:03] <TJ-> well it is changing something since, when downloading using the hash URL, it is actively returning a different content entirely - it's not like it's an older file being returned because that'd have a different hash!
[20:08] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: TJ- sarnold https://transfer.sh/YXeK0/dump
[20:09] <leibniz[m]> Here is what I can download from this side. I guess you can diff the plain text with my dump?
[20:13] <tomreyn> leibniz[m]: this unxz'd file matches the sha256sum of what i can download from the IR and other mirrors, fe3fb25bfa0e885575543710f04b4e151b88c1afcdeb644402a1790879f5f296
[20:16] <tomreyn> for mirror in ir us de; do echo [ $mirror ]; curl -s http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/dc5f263f75d1f2ffa7e5e7af0817327f350a8e167042c26ca04c99203e7b4d3e | xzcat | sha256sum; done
[20:17] <tomreyn> this would always report the same checksum for me
[20:18] <tomreyn> i assume you have since removed / overwritten the original file causing the apt warnings, so reproducing this will not be possible now.
[20:20] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: me? no I didn't remove the original file.
[20:20] <leibniz[m]> `sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade` does this delete my PPAs?
[20:21] <oerheks> no.
[20:21] <oerheks> it cleans the lists out, and reloads fresh ones.
[20:25] <leibniz[m]> E: Failed to fetch http://ir.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-i386/by-hash/SHA256/9550c6e21613793f70055b84eeae653ee7dc28a2df32c118502c03635e20a1a7  Hash Sum mismatch
[20:25] <leibniz[m]> Err:122 http://ir.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/universe i386 Packages
[20:25] <leibniz[m]>   Hash Sum mismatch
[20:26] <sarnold> leibniz[m]: you'd probably benefit from picking a mirror listed as 'https' on this list https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[20:27] <leibniz[m]> apt full-upgrade also this upgrades to 20 right?
[20:27] <sarnold> no, changing releases is done with do-release-upgrade
[20:30] <tomreyn> leibniz[m]: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ir.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_bionic-updates_universe_binary-amd64_Packages.xz would be the file which is broken there, i guess.
[20:30] <tomreyn> or tampered with
[20:32] <leibniz[m]> tomreyn: should I upload it for diff?
[20:34] <sarnold> no
[20:34] <sarnold> it's just an old copy of the file
[20:34] <sarnold> switch to an https mirror and bypass whatever horribl proxy is doing this to your data :)
[20:36] <leibniz[m]> sarnold: I'm a little n00b :) What do you mean by proxy? I have vpn on but apt is not passing through  it
[20:37] <sarnold> leibniz[m]: either your ISP or IRGC are intercepting all your web traffic
[20:38] <sarnold> leibniz[m]: this way they can save money on international bandwidth and keep better track of what everyone is doing
[20:38] <sarnold> leibniz[m]: if you switch to https, then they'll no longer be able to proxy your data -- they can either transmit it as-is, or drop it, but they won't be able to give you old data when you request it
[20:38] <leibniz[m]> sarnold: But the connection is HTTPS
[20:39] <leibniz[m]> noone can see the plain text?
[20:39] <sarnold> leibniz[m]: it is not https
[20:39] <sarnold>  E: Failed to fetch http://ir.archive.ubuntu.com/u...
[20:39] <leibniz[m]> ah...what is the use of this? It's just some packages
[20:40] <leibniz[m]> Like they'd know I'm a vim guy not an emacs guy lol
[20:40] <sarnold> probably they are just using a crappy proxy
[20:40] <sarnold> 'invisible' web proxies are usually garbage
[20:40] <sarnold> you can try reporting this bug to your ISP
[20:41] <sarnold> but the ISP may not be able to do anything about it, if the proxy is run by the IRGC
[20:41] <sarnold> or maybe they have a way to report bugs to the IRGC? :) who knows..
[20:42] <sarnold> but if you change to one of the https mirrors on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors you will probably be getting updates in ten minutes
[20:42] <tomreyn> oh there's actually a "https" protocol type listed there now, sweet!
[20:42] <leibniz[m]> ok about that mirror thing. The https ones are `Last update unknown`...and there is one good ftp one. Should I go with the ftp one?
[20:43] <sarnold> no
[20:43] <sarnold> well, it *might* actually work, but I'd be surprised; it's probably not worth the time to find out
[20:49] <TheWild> since I managed to get that network interface stick with eth0 name, it's time to run it on that "headless" desktop PC. However, when that Linux image is launched on PC, the interface gets its name correctly, but doesn't get up. The IP is statically set. What's wrong there?
[20:52] <oerheks> How did you make it stick, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"  ??
[20:53] <TheWild> oerheks: udev rule
[20:53] <nononoha> Hello folks! I created a bugfix for the CommandNotFound program, but I do not see any traffic in the repo at all. What is the correct way to submit it? this is my first time contributing to ubuntu :)
[20:53] <TheWild> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTR{address}=="00:18:f3:cd:f2:c1", NAME="eth0"
[20:54] <oerheks> oh, to add to your MAC address
[20:54] <oerheks> why not just that grub line, easier.
[20:55] <sarnold> nononoha: running 'ubuntu-bug command-not-found' will get you to a bug filing form
[20:57] <nononoha> sarnold: The bug is already submitted and known, I just created a bugfix, and wanted to know what steps I should follow in order for it to be merged. The last activity on the repo was in may 2019..
[20:57] <sarnold> nononoha: aha; iirc there's a link near the bottom of the bug pages like "add an attachment", you can add your diff that way
[20:57] <pavlos> TheWild: can you reboot the server, then check that the iface is up
[20:58] <TheWild> oh, all the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces is there... except "auto eth0"
[21:01] <nononoha> sarnold: I see, thanks! By the way, how can I know who is the maintainer that is responsible? as I did not see any moderator in the bug report comments
[21:02] <sarnold> nononoha: ubuntu doesn't usually have a package 'owner' or maintainer.. quite a lot of things are team-maintained instead, and the team will be subscribed to the bugs for the package
[21:07] <TheWild> yes!! I finally got the SSH access to a desktop PC!
[21:10] <sarnold> :D
[21:14] <ash_worksi> nhk
[21:14] <ash_worksi> dang
[21:44] <bobo87> hello, I want to ask, if someone encountered similar problem - on relatively new notebook (few months old Dell G17), about once a week during kubuntu 20.04 booting filesystem problem arise, that needs to be solved using fsck...   SMART shows no HW related issues, problem is on rotating disk, not SSD and I don't have dualboot - system is ext4 with
[21:44] <bobo87> default settings
[21:45] <bobo87> problem is usually in files, that was lastly accessed, like web browser cache, edited files etc..
[21:52] <tomreyn> bobo87: did you look for anything possibly related (storage media sense, sata bus, pci bus errors) in dmesg / journalctl -k
[21:52] <tomreyn> ?
[21:54] <tomreyn> also, you could share some of the recent fsck reports from /var/log/fsck*
[21:56] <tomreyn> or     journalctl -t systemd-fsck    rather
[21:59] <Descriptioned> im on 20.04 lts im trying or better iv'e installed flatpak to cast my screen and videos on samsung smart tv, but i get an error it says "No wi-fi p2p adapters found" ...
[22:00] <bobo87> in dmesg I don't see anything suspicions except for "ACPI Error: No pointer back to namespace node in package 00000000f715a6d1 (20190816/dsargs-301)", last few lines from fsck https://pastebin.com/rrGATcRP
[22:01] <tomreyn> so exactly one (varying) inode contains garbage occasionally when sda2 is checked
[22:02] <tomreyn> bobo87: you're using default ubuntu kernels?
[22:02] <bobo87> yes, only defaults
[22:03] <sarnold> it might print that on the *first* finding and not bother looking further
[22:04] <tomreyn> hmm, good point, and inode numbers are increasing
[22:04] <bobo87> sarnold, that is true, i need to confirm fixing using "a" key because of multiple problems
[22:05] <tomreyn> you can do so from recovery, too. but indeed, with such errors, make sure you have a usb key with the same ubuntu version around.
[22:06] <bobo87> yes, i have other notebook in case of emergency, but this is confusing to me
[22:08] <tomreyn> do you have a custom /proc/cmdline ?
[22:08] <tomreyn> a custom storage i/o scheduler?
[22:09] <sarnold> bobo87: this is weird :( is there anything in dmesg or journal?
[22:09] <bobo87> no, i didn't touched default installation on anyting else but fstab to be able to copy home folder from other notebook, but this fstab also uses default ext4 settings
[22:10] <sarnold> bobo87: it might be worth doing a memtest86 run on this machine overnight .. or stress-ng perhaps? is there a self-test diagnostics in the bios?
[22:10] <bobo87> sarnold, just things like i2c problem in nvidia temperature sensors, etc...
[22:10] <tomreyn> and which disk model is this actually?
[22:10] <Descriptioned> It's any linux distro have preinstalled screen sharing with with or video sharing with smart tv "samsung" ??? Loool
[22:11] <tomreyn> memtest86(+) is a good idea there indeed.
[22:11] <bobo87> disk is TOSHIBA MQ04ABF100
[22:11] <sarnold> Descriptioned: you didn't miss anything while you were disconnected
[22:13] <tomreyn> Descriptioned: this channel is just about ubuntu. maybe you're looking for something like "miracast", which is a common term for different, mostly unspecified, protocols. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6up2on/is_miracast_still_unusable_on_linux/
[22:15] <bobo87> I can try that memtest, but I haven't any other idea
[22:16] <bobo87> i'll also try update bios & selfcheck, if it is available
[22:16] <Descriptioned> tomreyn: i know but im trying alot to install it and make it work but i dont find any usefull  thing on ubuntu forums and over google
[22:24] <tomreyn> Descriptioned: sorry, that's all i could suggest. there is https://github.com/albfan/miraclecast and https://github.com/balrog-kun/wds but i think the former isn't ready for acting as a source / peer and the latter isn't integrated into what ubuntu uses enough to be useful - also it'S a different protocol, propbably won't work with a samsung tv.
[22:26] <tomreyn> bobo87: so you wouldn't have anything like those messages from the 2nd grey box (dmesg output) on your system, right? https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-my-files-permissions-change-spontaneously-to-read-only-sometimes/
[22:28] <sarnold> at least that one has clear io errors in logs
[22:28] <tomreyn> yes, probably unrelated, just happens to be the same disk model
[22:28] <sarnold> oooo curious
[22:28] <sarnold> the 4096 in those logs looked super-sketchy
[22:29] <bobo87> to be sure https://pastebin.com/ZzUGTCEk
[22:30] <tomreyn> bobo87: you should grep on   journalctl --since 20201001     rather
[22:30] <baegle> I just upgraded to focal and boot is failing. My volume group is not found. It is luks encrypted. I have tried multiple paths to rebuilding grub config via an Ubuntu stick but so far nothing has helped. I do not know how to further troubleshoot my issue. Can someone please help me get back into my system?
[22:33] <baegle> When I cat /proc/modules in busybox, I do not recognize anything related to crypto. What modules should I see here to support booting an encrypted volume group?
[22:34] <bobo87> after grepping journalctl, there are more errors, but no one "I/O error", only "kernel: EXT4-fs error (device sda2): ext4_lookup:1701: inode #19399983: comm QuotaManager IO: iget: checksum invalid" which I think is only result of that filesystem problem
[22:36] <sarnold> baegle: skimming my /proc/modules I've got aesni_intel af_alg algif_hash algif_skcipher cryptd crypto_simd dm_crypt ghash_clmulni_intel
[22:37] <sarnold> baegle: I'm not sure if my config is close enough to yours to be 100% confident but I think those all are part of my luks-under-zfs config
[22:38] <sarnold> bobo87: how about sudo debsums -s  ? that'll do a bunch of reading of packages and check md5s against what was stored when the files were unpacked
[22:40] <tomreyn> baegle: here's what i have on a 20.04 server with ext4 on top of lvm on top of dmcry-luks on top of mdadm raid1 https://i.imgur.com/acc519r.png
[22:40] <tomreyn> this is ain a vm
[22:46] <bobo87> result of debsum is only debsums: changed file /usr/share/applications/code-insiders.desktop (from code-insiders package)debsums: changed file /usr/share/applications/code-insiders-url-handler.desktop (from code-insiders package)
[22:47] <sarnold> oh now that's curious ... did you change those files? take a look at those and see if they look corrupted or changed or what..
[22:48] <bobo87> i'm not edited them manually, i think, it's only visual studio code launchers, but I can take a look
[22:49] <hwpplayer1> hi Ubuntu!
[22:49] <bobo87> yes, I can read them and it not look like garbare, but like valid launchers
[22:49] <hwpplayer1> I'm running 20.04 right click on desktop is missing for new terminal and folder alignment ?
[22:49] <hwpplayer1> Shoult i write a post to forum ?
[22:49] <hwpplayer1> Should
[22:52] <tomreyn> hwpplayer1: "missing" in the sense that you would like these options to be present, or in that you had the expectation they would be because ... (what exactly)?
[22:53] <pavlos> hwpplayer1: right click anywhere on Desktop does not pop up a menu?
[22:53] <hwpplayer1> tomreyn: Thanks for help. I thought i can right click for launching a new terminal
[22:53] <hwpplayer1> pavlos: Thanks
[22:54] <tomreyn> hwpplayer1: what made you think you could?
[22:54] <hwpplayer1> Last time on 18.04 i was able to right click and open a new terminal like on Red Hat and Trisquel
[22:55] <pavlos> hwpplayer1: make Terminal your favorite, then you can right-click and pop a new window (terminal)
[22:55] <hwpplayer1> I guess not too hard it is but i thought that maybe there is a missing feature
[22:56] <hwpplayer1> i run yakuake but sometimes i need to right click for a terminal
[22:58] <hwpplayer1> yes understood but the another issue is how to align desktop icons
[22:58] <hwpplayer1> sorry for the confusion i told the issue the wrong way tomreyn
[22:59] <hwpplayer1> Multi tasking issues :)
[23:02] <tomreyn> no problem. i don't think i hav a complete understanding of what you're aksing, yet, though. apparently you'd like to be able to start yakuake from a gnome-shell desktop by right-clicking on the desktop background
[23:03] <tomreyn> i suspect this would require forking the desktop-icons gnome3 extension
[23:05] <bobo87> tomreyn, sarnold: I have to go, but thanks for your patience and trying to help me :)  have a nice day
[23:05] <tomreyn> you, too, bobo87
[23:06] <hwpplayer1> tomreyn: Sorry i was thinking about terminal, and I accidently asked for terminal
[23:06] <hwpplayer1> tomreyn: My real question is to align folders on the Desktop by name alphabetically etc
[23:07] <baegle> I'm trying to figure out what's in initramfs without dropping into busybox using `lsinitramfs /proc/modules` but I get "cpio: premature end of archive". How can I find out what modules will be loaded into initramfs on my next book?
[23:07] <baegle> boot*
[23:08] <tomreyn> hwpplayer1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons/+bug/1826056
[23:08] <matsaman> baegle: why would /proc/modules be passed to lsinitramfs?
[23:09] <hwpplayer1> tomreyn: Yes We are on the same issue
[23:09] <baegle> matsaman: I don't know. I'm trying to find out what modules I will have at boot in initramfs. How would I go about finding that information?
[23:11] <tomreyn> hwpplayer1: if you have a launchpad / ubuntu sso account (or are happy to create one), you can subscribe to this bug report and getnotified if / when it's solved.
[23:11] <hwpplayer1> tomreyn: YES. I have signed code of conduct also
[23:11] <tomreyn> (note it's a *wishlist* bug, so it's not considered an actual bug)
[23:12] <hwpplayer1> tomreyn: mertgor is my name there
[23:12] <tomreyn> ok
[23:12] <hwpplayer1> tomreyn: Are you from Canonical ?
[23:13] <hwpplayer1> and #ubuntu-hardened ?
[23:13] <hwpplayer1> Are you a staff i mean :)
[23:13] <tomreyn> hwpplayer1: no, but this chat doesn't belong into this channel either.
[23:13] <matsaman> baegle: I believe lsinitramfs wants an initramfs file for its argument
[23:13] <hwpplayer1> tomreyn: Okay understood
[23:14] <tomreyn> hwpplayer1: let's move to -discuss or somewhere if needed
[23:14] <hwpplayer1> where is discuss channel let me check
[23:15] <baegle> matsaman: Where can I find the initramfs file that will be loaded on next boot?
[23:16] <tomreyn> baegle: in /boot
[23:16] <tomreyn> at least usually
[23:16] <matsaman> baegle: will probably say in your grub.cfg also, but I would guess /boot/ yes
[23:17] <baegle> tomreyn: initrd.img?
[23:17] <tomreyn> right
[23:18] <tomreyn> if you'll be booting the same kernel image you're currently running then    ls -l /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r)    is what you'll boot
[23:19] <baegle> tomreyn: I'm trying to recover from a failed upgrade so it's not the same kernel image I'm running. I'm currently running off a usb image to figure out why I can't boot into my LVM volume anymore.
[23:20] <baegle> tomreyn: update-initramfs isn't fixing it, I've tried a number of procedures I found online but all the same result and I can't figure out why
[23:20] <matsaman> baegle: if you have the old kernel & initramfs in /boot/, you can likely boot those
[23:21] <baegle> matsaman: I don't anymore
[23:22] <tomreyn> baegle: hmm, so you'll need to chroot and fix it from there now
[23:22] <baegle> tomreyn: Yes, I'm there. But I cannot fix it
[23:23] <tomreyn> baegle: have you modified something in /etc/initramfs-tools/ on your installed system?
[23:23] <baegle> tomreyn: I have not modified initramfs-tools, no
[23:24] <tomreyn> last time you were here, you mentioned that you have a dmcrypt-luks layer, probably below the lvm layer?
[23:24] <tomreyn> because just now you only mentioned lvm?
[23:25] <baegle> I did not mention that. Or if I did, I don't know what I said. I'm not conversant enough in lvm, luks, and dmcrypt to make such claims
[23:25] <baegle> Oh wait, I think I know what you're saying. Yes, it's an encrypted volume
[23:25] <baegle> and I cannot vgscan until I luksOpen
[23:26] <tomreyn> so you did a standard desktop installation with the full disk encrption option checked originally?
[23:26] <baegle> far too many years ago now, but yes, I presume that is what I did
[23:26] <baegle> I've probably moved 5 times since then, maybe 8
[23:27] <tomreyn> okay, then the first thing that needs to happen in the initrd is that cryptsetup runs to open the crypto device, then the lvm layer is 'opened' and then the root file system can be mounted
[23:28] <baegle> That is exactly what needs to happen. I don't know how to convince this computer of that, however
[23:28] <baegle> And the only way I know how to test whether or not it has gotten the message is to reboot it, leading to very long cycle times, leading to a very frustrating evening
[23:29] <tomreyn> you mentioned a failed release upgrade to 20.04 LTS. have you fully recovered from this situation, yet?
[23:29] <baegle> I mentioned that the upgrade failed? This is that failure. I upgraded to 20.04 LTS, rebooted, and this is now the situation
[23:30] <tomreyn> i.e., have you ensured that apt sources point to focal now, run apt update, apt full-upgrade, and all of these have finished without errors?
[23:30] <baegle> The upgrade completed fine, no errors
[23:30] <tomreyn> oh i see, sorry, must be remembering this incorrectly
[23:30] <baegle> no worries, you've got a better memory than
[23:30] <tomreyn> so in the chroot, you have networking?
[23:30] <baegle> Yes
[23:31] <tomreyn> can you install apt-forktracer, run it, pipe its output into    | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:31] <tomreyn> and share the url
[23:31] <baegle> I can
[23:32] <tomreyn> apt update    reports no warnings or errors, right?
[23:33] <baegle> apt update and apt full-upgrade report no warnings nor errors
[23:33] <baegle> apt-forktracer is dope. I tried to write one of these in bash iterating over apt-cache policy. This is much better
[23:33] <baegle> it has output 125 lines :(
[23:33] <Ntemis> hello
[23:34] <Ntemis> i have an issue with latest nvidia drivers offered by ubuntu 20.04 nvidia-drivers-450
[23:34] <Ntemis> after i install them and reboot my screen resolution goes somewhere like 640x480
[23:35] <Ntemis> anyone able to help me out please
[23:35] <tomreyn> baegle: note how i did not suggest to pipe the output into wc -l
[23:35] <tomreyn> ;-)
[23:35] <baegle> tomreyn: noted
[23:36] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: My Nvidia help depends on wgat the problem with the driver may be .
[23:36] <Bashing-om> what*
[23:36] <Ntemis> xorg config issue?
[23:36] <Ntemis> i cant use the desktop as i can only see the upper right corner after i install and reboot
[23:36] <baegle> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/ddap
[23:37] <Ntemis> no idea but the resolution gets fuqed up somehow
[23:37] <tomreyn> baegle: plenty of leftover 18.-04 and ppa packages
[23:37] <tomreyn> * 18.04
[23:38] <baegle> Oh yeah, I see them
[23:38] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: Maybe the driver did not build ? From that desktop can you activate a terminal interface ? Then we have have a look at the driver status.
[23:38] <Ntemis> not sure with a 64x64 resoltuion
[23:38] <Ntemis> i can see nothing
[23:39] <Ntemis> on neuvau am right now on 3840x2160
[23:39] <tomreyn> baegle: "(someversion)" provides the installed package version, if no other version is provided, then no apt repository is currently enabled that provides this version
[23:39] <tomreyn> baegle: ...nor this package at all
[23:40] <Ntemis> but yes i can activate the terminal just fine
[23:40] <baegle> totally understood. And I am grateful to learn of this. I will use it to clean up my system. But how can this help me get bootable?
[23:40] <Ntemis> my whole screen is almost all the terminal
[23:40] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: Ack - pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .
[23:41] <tomreyn> baegle: if, however, you have apt sources and versions those provide listed in [brackets] then those are available versions, and one of them will liekly match the one that's (installed)
[23:41] <Ntemis> Command 'Ack' not found, did you mean:
[23:41] <Ntemis> pasted in
[23:41] <Ntemis> Ack - pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .
[23:42] <Ntemis> only pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .
[23:42] <Ntemis> pastebin: command not found
[23:42] <tomreyn> baegle: you should either re-enable the PPAs you depend on, and ensure they provide 20.04 versions of those packages, and upgrade them , or purge those packages which are now leftovers with no upgrade path
[23:44] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: Sorry : axck == acknowledge for your last entries. try terminal command ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 '  the result is a url back in terminal - pass that link back here.
[23:44] <Ntemis> https://dpaste.com/92RHX954F
[23:45] <tomreyn> baegle: once you sorted this out, you should run    apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade   again, since some of these packages you have now (and which you'll remove or update next) may currently introduce unresolvable depdencies, causing ubuntu packages to be held back.
[23:46] <Ntemis> https://termbin.com/n53t
[23:46] <baegle> tomreyn: sorted out, updated, full-upgrade, 0 package changes required
[23:47] <tomreyn> baegle: and when this is done, that's a good time to ensure you have your cryptsetup, fstab etc. properly setup, and run update-initramfs again
[23:47] <Ntemis> @Bashing-om this is the driver am trying to install 450.80.02
[23:48] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: Looks like there was a conflict in install driver versions - there can be only one. Let's clean up and try again . ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P ' . Where that rc is removed but config files remain.
[23:48] <tomreyn> baegle: just to double check, you have MODULES=most in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ?
[23:50] <ash_worksi> I am researching OWASP and was told to "everyone should have kali" .... I looked it up and "Kali Linux is a Debian-derived Linux distribution designed for digital forensics and penetration testing.[3] It is maintained and funded by Offensive Security.[4]" --- you need a while OS for this?
[23:50] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: Once the system is clean - I suggest that we have the system choose the driver it deems best .
[23:50] <Ntemis> @Bashing-om this is the outcome https://dpaste.com/G6TGCC84L
[23:50] <Ntemis> is it ok?
[23:50] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: Looking ^ ,
[23:50] <Ntemis> kk and thanks
[23:51] <sarnold> ash_worksi: no, but the kali folks thought it would be more fun to have their distribution. go figure.
[23:51] <ash_worksi> sarnold: would someone have told me that because "kali comes with everything you need (and don't need)" ?
[23:52] <sarnold> ash_worksi: good question; I hope someone along the way would have told you that kali isn't intended for daily use, it's really only intended for use on the offensive machine
[23:53] <tomreyn> baegle: can you share    blkid    and    grep -hEv '^[[:blank:]]*(#.*)?$' /etc/lvm/*.conf    output and the contents of /etc/{crypt,fs}tab ?
[23:53] <ash_worksi> no, that was clear from context anyway; but what I'm saying is, if someone tells me "I should have Kali (as a vm)" I think to myself, "do I though?"
[23:54] <sarnold> ash_worksi: I've also wondered how many of the things they've packaged are actually useful
[23:54] <ash_worksi> is there any "loopholes" kali affords? I some Cisco tools on there and they don't usually make free stuff
[23:54] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: Looks good - With secure boot disabled >> now run ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' . Reboot to see the effect.
[23:54] <ash_worksi> I saw* some
[23:55] <sarnold> ash_worksi: surely there's enough useful stuff in kali for people to keep using it, but I've wondered if 90% of the users would be happy with a ppa on ubuntu and a dozen packages..
[23:55] <ash_worksi> sarnold: all in all, I shouldn't be surprised that step 1 in discussing OWASP is "get kali"?
[23:56] <Ntemis> @Bashing-om https://dpaste.com/AE5BNYATK
[23:56] <Ntemis> is going for the latest
[23:57] <sarnold> ash_worksi: I'm a little surprised, I'd have expected something more like "you'll need to use a tool like postman, so install it ...
[23:57] <Ntemis> ok everything is done
[23:57] <Ntemis> thank you mate
[23:57] <Ntemis> reboot ok?
[23:57] <Bashing-om> Ntemis: Smart kernel - pat pat :P re-boot and let's see now what you have .
[23:57] <baegle> tomreyn: MODULES=most yes
[23:58] <Ntemis> crossing fingers
[23:58] <Ntemis> thanks again for all the help