[00:00] <Typos_King> darcy:   what about wiping the whole machine and reinstalling windows?  is that a possibility?   does he have the installation cd?
[00:00] <darcy> cd yes but no way to get at files under the admin login
[00:00] <Typos_King> ok
[00:00] <darcy> thanks anyway
[00:00] <Typos_King> sooo, he wans to get his files before reinstalling and losing everything, right?
[00:00] <darcy> have a good one
[00:00] <Typos_King> sooo, he wans to get his files before reinstalling and losing everything, right?
[00:00] <darcy> yep
[00:00] <Typos_King> ok
[00:00] <darcy> shotgun
[00:01] <Typos_King> do you have a burner?
[00:01] <Typos_King> a cdrw
[00:01] <darcy> he does
[00:01] <Lynoure> darcy: you can mount the whole xp partition with a linux boot cd... and copy it all.
[00:01] <Typos_King> yeah
[00:01] <darcy> lol, really
[00:01] <darcy> ?
[00:01] <Typos_King> you can mount his partition in ubuntu, move things around to a usb stick or so
[00:01] <Typos_King> from a live-cd ubuntu
[00:02] <darcy> sounds like alot of work not sure if he'll try it even if it was only way. lol
[00:02] <Typos_King> there's also a live-winxp you  can use, if you prefer that, there's an .iso and all you have to do is burn it to a cd
[00:02] <Lynoure> yup, I think it was an troll...
[00:02] <darcy> if i was home i'd do it for him, but i'm on the other side of the country
[00:03] <Typos_King> darcy:   live-winxp?  yes, no?
[00:03] <darcy> that might work
[00:03] <darcy> if not i'll tell him to kill the troll with the shotgun
[00:04] <Typos_King> darcy:    http://www.hirensbootcd.net/   <---    I use the 10.1 and works well
[00:04] <Typos_King> it comes with a pile of utilities too, besides the minixp live
[00:04] <Typos_King> and has admnistrator access
[00:04] <darcy> i didn't know what was out yet, how does it compare to jaunty j?
[00:05] <darcy> i think i have that i installed the kbuntu with it
[00:05] <Typos_King> then again, if he's not an administrator.... why does he need the administrator files?   if he never logged as administrator, the machine will save all his files under his 'limited' user account
[00:06] <darcy> he 0riginally was, just when he logged into windows 2 weeks ago it kept on telling him to login as admin
[00:06] <robertzaccour> my screen flickers once every few minutes. is that bad?
[00:06] <darcy> files probably still in computer but can't access under limited account
[00:07] <Lynoure> robertzaccour: depends on the cause. But most likely only if it bothers you.
[00:07] <Typos_King> robertzaccour:     define 'flickers'
[00:07] <Typos_King> lol
[00:07] <darcy> lol
[00:07] <Typos_King> mind over matter, if you don't mind it, it don't matter? hehe
[00:07] <Lynoure> robertzaccour: unusual, yes, a bug of some sort, probably.
[00:07] <darcy> lmao
[00:08] <darcy> that's a good one
[00:08] <Lynoure> For me, my Amarok crashes every ~20min, and that's bad
[00:08] <robertzaccour> Typos_King, the screen blinks off for a split second every few minutes just once. quick like a light turned off then immediately back on once its off
[00:09] <Lynoure> I'm suspecting it has something to do with dynamic playlists, but have not troubleshooted enough. Mostly because the debugging symbols seem to take ~800M to install
[00:09] <darcy> i'm gonna throw away all the computers i can get my hands on and become a hermit
[00:09] <Typos_King> robertzaccour:      are you on mobile?   as opposed to desktop?
[00:09] <robertzaccour> Typos_King, laptop
[00:09] <darcy> have a good night, thanks guys
[00:09] <Typos_King> darcy:    just don't forget to take your zen mp3s with your mp3 player :P
[00:10] <darcy> i junked my zen awhile ago, how'd u know i had one? lol
[00:10] <darcy> it was old
[00:10] <Typos_King> robertzaccour:      how old is the laptop?   I mean, what cpu speed?   dual core?
[00:11] <robertzaccour> Typos_King, dual core yes
[00:11] <Typos_King> darcy:    well.....you'll need them :P
[00:11] <robertzaccour> intel mobile 4 is the video card i think
[00:11] <Typos_King> robertzaccour:      does it happen WHILE you're typing? or hitting the keys on the keyboard?
[00:12] <sekou> hi
[00:12] <robertzaccour> Typos_King, no, just in an every few minutes rhythm
[00:12] <Typos_King> ...
[00:13] <Typos_King> then is probably the videocard drivers or so
[00:13] <Typos_King> have you checked in the Restricted Drivers section if there's one for your videocard?
[00:13] <sekou> I want to know how to install ubuntu sous mac
[00:13] <Typos_King> sekou:    get the ppc .iso of ubuntu
[00:14] <Lynoure> robertzaccour: do you dualboot?
[00:14] <Typos_King> as far as installing, it has a gui wizard that'll guide you
[00:14] <robertzaccour> Typos_King, i'm using lucid beta. you recken thats why? and if its beta, shouldn't it be nearly bug free?
[00:14] <robertzaccour> Lynoure, no
[00:15] <Lynoure> robertzaccour: if, check that it does not happen in the other os as well... you can also try with livecd (some other version) to try to rule out hardware problem
[00:15] <Typos_King> robertzaccour:     beta1 IIRC, not beta2 or beta3.... soooo, beta1 is just after the alpha3 IIRC... and the final release date is on April 29th... soooo, you might be 40days too early, is not bug free, nearly bug free?  can't say
[00:16] <Lynoure> Sometimes people spend ages hunting for a bug when it's actually rotten hardware (though this could be either)
[00:16] <arch0njw> Typos_King: it's "mostly" bug free :D
[00:16] <Typos_King> heh
[00:16] <Typos_King> is not a 'bug', is a random 'feature'
[00:17] <arch0njw> surprise feature ;)
[00:19] <Lynoure> usually releases are 'nearly bug free' =)
[00:20] <Lynoure> betas usually have still kinks.
[00:20] <robertzaccour> could it be KDE having the bug? maybe trying Gnome would fix it
[00:21] <arch0njw> robertzaccour: good reason to try a live cd of each to establish that
[00:22] <Typos_King> robertzaccour:     any linux-backports-modules available from the repos?
[00:22] <arch0njw> robertzaccour: however, i would sort of doubt that.  I had a screen flicker problem with a monitor+gpu that didn't get along together.
[00:41] <avihay> Did anyone encounter the flash plug-in starting to stater horribly after being active for a long time?
[00:42] <Typos_King> to stater?
[00:47] <iconmefisto> stutter?
[00:49] <avihay> yes
[00:50] <avihay> seemd to happen in both chrome and fire
[00:52] <cers> Typos_King: I think it was you who recommended I upgrade to kubuntu 9.10 the other day, so I'm totally blaiming you :-P
[00:53] <Typos_King> heeh
[00:53] <Typos_King> was it I?    why?
[00:53] <Typos_King> dunno..... what's the matter?
[00:53] <cers> Typos_King: I couldn't install qt-designer
[00:53] <Typos_King> IIRC... right it was a kde4 issue
[00:54] <cers> Typos_King: so now I got home from my vacation, upgraded to 9.10 and my soundcard is missing and the graphics were broken
[00:54] <Typos_King> checked the Restricted Drivers section yet?
[00:54] <cers> the latter I fixed because I found someone with the same problem, who suggested setting accelmethod to exa
[00:54] <Typos_King> there may be one for  your videocard from the manufacturer
[00:58] <cers> Typos_King: I forgot where to do that :-S
[00:58] <Typos_King> System Settings > Advanced > Restricted Drivers
[01:00] <cers> Typos_King: I don't see that option
[01:01] <Typos_King>   there's a Restricted section in the System Settings... it has.... I think it may even have an icon on the tray too
[01:01] <Typos_King> the icon in system settings looks like a circuitry chip
[01:03] <cers> Typos_King: nope - not there - however from the k-menu I can get access to Applications->System->Hardware drivers
[01:04] <Typos_King> it may be under hardware drivers
[01:04] <cers> Typos_King: it says "No proprietary drivers are in use on your system"
[01:04] <Typos_King> right
[01:04] <Typos_King> that doesn't mean it has no restricted ones available
[01:04] <Typos_King> what about the tray?
[01:05] <Typos_King> I know there's an icon on the tray that usually would say 'there are restricted drivers available...'
[01:05] <Typos_King> I think it shows like a blue dot
[01:05] <Typos_King> or blue ball
[01:05] <cers> Typos_King: nope - nothing
[01:06] <iconmefisto> there is a text version: jockey-text. see jockey-text --help for options
[01:06] <Typos_King> ...
[01:08] <cers> apparently, there are no supported drivers. `jockey-text -l` exits without output
[01:09] <cers> but for now, setting accelmethod to exa did the trick
[01:10] <cers> kde still claims I have no sound card though
[01:10] <Typos_King> cers:    try .... installing the backports drivers -> sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules;
[01:10]  * Typos_King dashes
[01:12] <cers> I'm taking that to mean linux-backports-modules-karmic - so if that's horribly wrong, someone please yell at me :-P
[01:13] <weecol> morning
[01:13] <weecol> here at least
[01:17] <weecol> is it shift change?
[01:20] <Mikemoral> How would I remove Ubuntu (if I need to) from my computer after I install using the Windows installer?
[01:23] <iconmefisto> Mikemoral: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[01:23] <weecol> ah, is that on a seporate partition on your hard drive and do you know ohw to restore your boot loader
[01:23] <Mikemoral> Thanks, that should help me.
[01:44] <albertolempira> hey guys, i'm having problems trying to install packages (apps and/or upgrades) using kpackagekit, i get this message "The package download failed.Please check your network connectivity." i'm sure its not a network issue since i can install apps and upgrades trough konsole, i've tried unistalling kpackageit even using purge with aptitude, any idea of what can be going on? thanks in advance.
[02:39] <solifugus> How can I make wireless work in kubuntu?  With ubuntu, I just enter in my key and it works..
[02:39] <solifugus> I tried every combination of options I could reasonably try with kde and nothign works.
[02:40] <solifugus> tried also on different computers at different places..
[02:41] <solifugus> (did not try open access wireless because there isn't any that I know of around me)
[02:43] <iconmefisto> solifugus: ubuntu works on the same hardware?
[02:44] <solifugus> yes..  sure.. of course..
[02:44] <solifugus> This isn't a driver issue... Google tells me I am not alone in the horrendous pain of getting wireless to work in kde
[02:44] <solifugus> just not seeing any solutions
[02:45] <solifugus> for so long, I've just been assuming kde developers would fix these kind of things...eventually some day
[02:45] <solifugus> or.. someone would figure it out and document it
[02:46] <iconmefisto> solifugus: one problem I did have was kubuntu remembering my passphrase, but I changed settings so it is stored unencrypted
[02:47] <solifugus> This says that kNetworkManager is pre-alpha... http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=83156
[02:48] <solifugus> even though it ships with kde 4.4
[02:54] <iconmefisto> solifugus: did you try nm-applet as suggested in that link?
[02:59] <solifugus> iconmefisto, I plan on trying that.  First, I have to see if it's installed or on the install CD as I otherwise don't have network access on that machine.
[02:59] <solifugus> I am re-installing kubuntu on it now..
[03:07] <iconmefisto> solifugus: 9.10 ?
[03:16] <jovis> softlinugs?
[03:17] <iconmefisto> !tab | jovis
[03:23] <solifugus> iconmefisto, it's the current kubuntu downloaded just last week.. i presume that's 9.10
[03:28] <solifugus> iconmefisto, neither "nm-applet" nor "wicd" executables appear to exist after installing kubuntu..
[03:28] <solifugus> as per the "which" command as a regular user or as root.
[03:30] <solifugus> so.. i suppose I'll have to find out what packages contain them, plug it into a wired network router and ship them over via scp..
[03:30] <iconmefisto> solifugus: I think it's part of network-manager-gnome
[03:40] <solifugus> anyone know how to get a .deb package and not install it.. just get it so I can ship it to another machine?
[03:41] <iconmefisto> solifugus: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[03:44] <iconmefisto> solifugus: or you could use apt-get with the -d option (download only)
[03:45] <solifugus> ok.. the -d option might work..  I couldn't find wicd or nm-applet on those pages..
[03:47] <solifugus> now the question is... where did apt-get put the wicd package?
[03:50] <iconmefisto> solifugus: /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:51] <solifugus> Yes.. it's there.. hopefully no additional dependencies..
[03:52] <solifugus> i will transfer via usb hard disk
[03:55] <njathan> i have downloaded the toaster edition of WorldVistA-EHR, which is in .qcow2 format. Any ideas how i can use it?
[03:57] <solifugus> appears to depend on python-gtk2... i can see a long night ahead of me..
[03:57] <solifugus> back and for with this usb drive..
[04:00] <solifugus> Somehow I bet kde user numbers are still far lower than pre-kde 4.0 levels...
[04:00] <solifugus> sadly
[04:01] <solifugus> and.. uh.. very painfully
[04:07] <solifugus> More dependencies needed.. This is too much.. I give up.
[04:07] <iconmefisto> solifugus: no ethernet?
[04:07] <solifugus> iconmefisto, thanks for trying to help.. it's just too much wasted time... I will have to remain stuck with sucky gnome..
[04:08] <solifugus> iconmefisto, even if i plug in ethernet, I need to install openssh..
[04:08] <solifugus> can't install anything
[04:08] <solifugus> without massive dependency hell
[04:09] <iconmefisto> solifugus: if you can install gnome and wireless works, you could then install kubuntu-desktop to get kde too
[04:09] <solifugus> i might see about a debian distro with the last kde 3 version.. that's a lot better than gnome
[04:09] <solifugus> iconmefisto, true.......
[04:12] <solifugus> i am downloading ubuntu 9.10... it'll take a while..
[05:12] <apparle> how to remove quiet and splash from grub 2
[05:29] <racerd> hello?
[05:29] <jovis> hello?
[05:29] <racerd> i am trying to switch to the kde desktop
[05:29] <racerd> i already installed the kubuntu-desktop
[05:30] <racerd> but someone mentioned that there is a bluetooth package
[05:30] <racerd> for kubuntu
[05:37] <iconmefisto> apparle: edit /etc/default/grub
[05:38] <iconmefisto> apparle: then sudo update-grub
[05:38] <apparle> iconmefisto: thanks I already found that on #ubuntu
[05:38] <apparle> how to allow access to parport0 to my user
[05:43] <racerd> hello?
[05:43] <racerd> anyone know how to change x11.conf to use kde?
[05:45] <apparle> racerd: what do you mean ... to use kde
[05:45] <racerd> running the gnome desktop
[05:45] <racerd> login screen isn't saying my access is denied when i log out and attempt to login under kde
[05:46] <racerd> well
[05:46] <racerd> it states permission denied when i try to login from the login screen
[05:47] <apparle> I don't know
[05:47] <apparle> make sure you are not messing the username and password
[05:48] <agent47> how to install kubuntu desktop on my ubuntu9.10
[05:48] <agent47> can anyone help me
[06:20] <agent47> how to install KDE to my gnome9.10
[06:21] <agent47> troubleshoot for me please
[06:24] <agent47> help
[06:48] <REMIX> hello hello guys
[06:55] <REMIX> so yes im a linux noob, been using it since december. ive been told i can get help here in irc. i put kubuntu 9.10 netbook remix on my dell 1318, and i have no idea how to get it to use the wifi card. i open the network options at the top but the wireless tab is "greyed out". looks like i can only use a cable on it. what should i do?
[07:09] <areichman> REMIX: what kind of wireless card do you have?
[07:13] <REMIX> areichman: one of these, Dell Wireless 1395 802.11g Mini-Card, Dell Wireless 1505 Wireless-N Mini-Card, Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-Card
[07:14] <REMIX> areichman: i read this command might work: sudo apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source. but i have no clue what it would do, think it would do the trick?
[07:20] <areichman> REMIX: I would hold off on that command. I have a similar card and have never had to use it
[07:20] <areichman> what does lspci say about your wireless card?
[07:26] <pushax> How can I get KDE 4.4.2
[07:27] <areichman> pushax: KDE SC 4.3 is standard in kubuntu 9.10, with 4.4 available through a repository
[07:27] <areichman> oh, sorry, I misread
[07:27] <areichman> 4.4.2, not 4.2
[07:27] <pushax> areichman: np
[07:28] <areichman> compile from source?
[07:28] <areichman> that's how I do it so I don't know what the easier ways are
[07:28] <pushax> areichman: I need 4.4.2 to get kfind working.  corrrently it doens't do content searches properly.  it's broken
[07:28] <pushax> is there a repository? or would I have to downlaod the trunk and compile it?
[07:29] <pushax> does anyoen know of a schedule to when 4.4.2 will be released?
[07:29] <areichman> it hasn't been yet?
[07:30] <areichman> oh, planned for march 30th
[07:30] <areichman> tagged on thursday
[07:30] <areichman> should be available in a repository not long after it's released
[07:31] <areichman> if you want to get KDE versions that haven't been released yet you'll probably have to compile them yourself
[07:31] <REMIX> areichman: here is my lspci, i dont understand it but maybe you can make sence of it http://pastie.org/884282
[07:31] <areichman> there are some decent tools to help you do it, though
[07:33] <areichman> REMIX: thsat was what I needed, yes :-)
[07:33] <areichman> you have the BCM4312 card, made by broadcom
[07:33] <areichman> have you tried running the restricted driver manager?
[07:34] <REMIX> no, i dont know what that is
[07:34] <areichman> OK
[07:34] <REMIX> lol i know its bad. soo where do i find this driver manager?
[07:35] <areichman> it's in the application launcher somewhere
[07:35] <areichman> or, type alt+f2 and search for jockey
[07:35] <areichman> that should bring it up
[07:35] <areichman> alternatively /usr/bin/jockey-kde is where it's actually located on the system (on my machine, anyway)
[07:36] <areichman> use one of those 3 methods to launch it
[07:36] <areichman> and it should give you the option to install the driver automatically
[07:36] <pushax> areichman: thx
[07:36] <areichman> no problem. The most you should have to do is a restart although I'm not sure if even that will be necessary
[07:37] <areichman> I have the older version of that same card and the process has gotten so much easier lately
[08:27] <apparle> Is there any standard list of hardware quirks etc
[08:42] <hyper_ch> hi there, I have this strange problem with a hp printer. Karmic recognized it fine (it seems). So I submitted a print job to it. The CUPS webpage shows the job as completed yet nothing was printed
[10:34] <manulite> hello, i run on a relatively slow connection, and it seems like if apt-get is disrupted while still fetching packages if you start it again it refetches packages it had downloaded before, how do i tell it to cache
[10:52] <twager> Screensaver not running in Kubuntu Lucid ?
[10:59] <cyberkilla> Just converted to KDE 4.4, from GNOME 2.28. Wow. I had no idea KDE was so good now. With Canonical making so many proprietary-esque changes to GNOME, and GNOME's inherent failings (Metacity is declared abandoned, yet its successor, Mutter, only supports 3D compositing with no fallback), I decided a change was long over-due:-)
[11:01] <cyberkilla> My only real confusion with KDE is the KWallet situation. It asks me for a password when I log in, because I have a twitter plasma app. I probably should have left the wallet password blank instead of filling it in..
[11:16] <cyberkilla> I see that this channel is as active as any other ;-)
[11:49] <ubuntu> Hi
[11:50] <ubuntu> WHat's the stuff i  /etc ?? can i delete it all cause some times while booting it appears on bootscreen like press ESC etc
[11:50] <ubuntu> some times not
[11:50] <ubuntu> :)
[11:50] <ubuntu> ANY HELP ?
[11:50] <FloodBotK2> ubuntu: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:53] <rork> ubuntu: /etc mainly contains configuration files
[11:56] <ubuntu> So rork, what if i delete them all, all the configurations i am having will be gone ?
[11:56] <ubuntu> Can you suggest me the best firewall ?
[11:57] <rork> ubuntu: these include startup scripts, deleting those will leave you without some services (like KDE, printer etc) so I wouldn't delete all of them
[11:57] <ubuntu> Yeah i see...thanks man
[11:58] <ubuntu> And how about a very good firewall ?and how should i get the latest firefox including the newly security update
[11:58] <ubuntu> :)
[11:58] <rork> ubuntu: other you can delete and they probably will reset to their defaults but I can't give you details on them and I at least suggest to make backups, removing them might leave you with a broken system I think
[11:59] <ubuntu> Well onces yeah that happened, i thought its %tmp%
[12:01] <rork> ubuntu: I have no suggestions for the firewall, you can update firefox trough apt/kpackagemanager/synaptic (which are updates by the security team) or probably download it from the firefox website and manually install.
[12:03] <ubuntu> Okay thanks
[12:05] <cyberkilla> What's the deal with Amerok's Last.fm feature? I can't get it to work.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[12:36] <lalalol> hey guys, i have OO writer and spreadsheet and presentation and drawing, but i cant find the database program, id like to have the full OO pack, but if id install it, id probably end up getting 2 writers and 2 spreadsheets and so on, or not?
[12:41] <TheKro> hi.  I need to upgrade my ktimetracker to version 4.5 because of a bug with my current version.  How do I do this?
[12:48] <cyberkilla> lalalol: It's called -base, I think. Look for the package with openoffice something something -base
[12:53] <lalalol> cyberkilla, and if i do sudo apt-get install openoffice? will it give me a 2nd writer and so on or just install the missing programs?
[13:00] <cyberkilla> lalalol: No, I doubt it. Not unless you installed OO from somewhere other than the repositories originally.
[13:00] <cyberkilla> lalalol: If I understand you correctly, that package will just pull in the other parts of OO.
[13:00] <lalalol> >.< so what should i do then? sorry but i dont understand
[13:00] <lalalol> alright, ill do the command then
[13:01] <Pici> Install the openoffice.org-base package.
[13:03] <lalalol> but there are prob more things that im missing than the base package
[13:03] <lalalol> bbs
[13:04] <mefisto__> !info openoffice.org
[13:06] <mefisto__> openoffice.org-base is just the database program
[13:09] <skramer_> Does anybody know how to get the Egistec SS801U fingerprint sensor to work?
[13:09] <skramer_> lsusb gives ID 1c7a:0801 LighTuning Technology Inc.
[13:17] <mefisto__> skramer_: http://reactivated.net/fprint/wiki/Main_Page
[13:19] <skramer_> mefisto__: I tried fprint some time ago, but did not get it to work :-(
[13:20] <skramer_> mefisto__: also, I could not find the device on that page, neither in supported no in unsupported devices list
[13:21] <mefisto__> skramer_: I don't know much about it, but as I understand it you need software (eg kdm) to be written to support fingerprint readers, and I don't think that is the case yet. maybe lucid will? or gnome's gdm?
[13:28] <skramer_> mefisto__: I do believe that the libfprint is not able to communicate with the Egistec fingerprint reader
[13:28] <skramer_> mefisto__: it used to work with an AuthenTec sensor which was built-in my previous laptop
[13:29] <r00t_> Hello i need to instal KGpg yet i cant figure out how to do it,can anyoen help?
[13:31] <mefisto__> r00t_: sudo apt-get install kgpg ??
[13:31] <skramer_> mefisto__: the fprint_demo program gives me "Status: No evices found" :-(
[13:33] <skramer_> mefisto__: also the command line says "No devices detected."
[13:34] <skramer_> mefisto__: here is the link to supported devices list http://www.reactivated.net/fprint/wiki/Libfprint:Supported_devices
[13:42] <skramer_> mefisto__: at least, there is hope for some development http://lists.reactivated.net/pipermail/fprint/2010-March/001412.html
[13:50] <hasted> anyone here?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> nope
[13:50] <hasted> blues i am with Os
[13:50] <hasted> :)
[13:50] <BluesKaj> look at the nicklist :)
[13:51] <hasted> heh
[13:51] <hasted> sorry
[13:51] <hasted> :(
[13:51] <BluesKaj> hasted, what's up ?
[13:51] <shadeslayer> hasted: any thing you want to get sorted?
[13:51] <hasted>   there any client that can be used to link up to yahoo chat?
[13:52] <shadeslayer> hasted: kopete
[13:52] <Tm_T> !im
[13:52] <hasted> i looks like gaim
[13:52] <hasted> it
[14:29] <thaize> alguem de fala como instalar um programa no kurumin
[14:29] <thaize> pela linha de comando
[14:31] <jussi01> !es | thaize
[14:32] <mintux> in kopte I can see my webcam in preview in the setting but when I want to invite somebody I got error : Unable to find the Jasper image conversion program.  Jasper is required to render Yahoo webcam images. Please see http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support for further information. is it a bug /
[14:32] <mintux> ?
[14:34] <jussi01> mintux: sounds like you havent jasper installed. might be a bug or it might just be a recommends.
[14:34] <jussi01> !find jasper
[14:34] <mintux>  jussi01: I could not find jasper in package manager . I just found libjasber1 that it installed
[14:36] <thaize> I whriter protuguês
[14:36] <thaize> :(
[14:39] <jussi01> !pt | thaize
[14:39] <thaize> how I make to intall a program in kurumim?
[15:13] <olskolirc> my vlc directory is grayed out how can i play an mp3 folder or fix this please?
[15:28] <CartoonCat> anyone around who understands apt catch 22's ?
[15:38] <mefisto__> CartoonCat: more specific? what's the problem?
[15:39] <CartoonCat> Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[15:39] <CartoonCat> I can NOT install the said package becuae of that error, I can not purge it, remove, etc
[15:40] <mefisto__> which package?
[15:40] <Pici> CartoonCat: Can you patebin the exact error messages you are getting?
[15:40] <CartoonCat> handbrake-gtk
[15:40] <Pici> !pastebin
[15:40] <CartoonCat> yea i knwo what paste bin is
[15:40] <CartoonCat> il find it from yesterday or redo it
[15:41] <Pici> A lot of people don't know of it, was just clarifying.
[15:42] <CartoonCat> http://pastebin.org/121846
[15:43] <CartoonCat> trying to install deselect so as to use it to remove the package, nup
[15:43] <CartoonCat> EVERYTHING i do with apt/dpkg does that
[15:44] <CartoonCat> ive tried 'dpkg --configure -a'  also
[15:44] <Pici> CartoonCat: Does sudo apt-get install -f     fix anything?
[15:44] <CartoonCat> http://pastebin.org/121849
[15:45] <CartoonCat> Pici: no, heres that
[15:45] <CartoonCat> same as 121846
[15:46] <CartoonCat> so, catch 22 land, im boned
[15:46] <Pici> CartoonCat: Please try: dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq handbrake-gtk
[15:48] <CartoonCat> ooh that might have got some palce
[15:48] <CartoonCat> yay! ty ty
[15:48] <Pici> Yay
[15:49] <CartoonCat> was using the wrong force option with dpkg yesterday, uhg
[15:53] <CartoonCat> yay now the boys wont be killing the master dvds, $20 a pop ikk
[15:53] <RurouniJones> Has anyone else had problems with speakers "popping" (sounds like static) when muting/unmuting them? Or when a media app starts (even with sound muted). Since upgrading to Karmic I have been having this problem. I am scared it is going to cause hardware problems.
[15:53] <RurouniJones> Laptop built-in speakers I should point it
[15:56] <RurouniJones> I have found one reference only on the register, in the comments section, with no extra information.
[15:57] <RurouniJones> Aha, found a possible answer.
[16:32] <r00t_> how do i install tork and tork?
[16:34] <Maranatha> How can I get a list of all IRC channels in Quassel?
[16:41] <Algot> I am seeking information about KDE 4.x plasmoids - specifically the picture frame widget - apod source
[16:42] <Algot> How does one specify the apod source?
[16:49] <racerd> how do you switch from gnome to kde and back on restarts?
[16:49] <racerd> or on the fly?
[16:50] <genii> racerd: Usually from login manager (KDM or GDM) you choose session type
[16:51] <racerd> sigh
[16:51] <racerd> not really what i asked
[16:51] <racerd> that isn't an option
[16:52] <genii> racerd: You used "restarts" in what context then? X restart?
[16:52] <racerd> yeah that would be fine
[16:54] <lalalol> how come the cursor falls back to oxygen sometimes?
[16:58] <lalalol> anyone?
[16:59] <mfraz74> no idea sorry
[17:07] <The_ManU_212> hi
[17:07] <The_ManU_212> do u know if its possible to use syslog-notify with kde?
[17:31] <arch0njw> !lucid | alexander
[17:34] <xephexx> I am using kubuntu 9.10 will it automatically update when 10.04 comes out...?
[17:35] <arch0njw> xephexx: you will be notified via the update manager (KPackageKit) and will be able to upgrade through that.
[17:36] <mfraz74> might try the beta on my laptop this weekend
[17:36] <bottiger> what do I need to install to enable the "share with NFS" feature in dolpin?
[17:36] <jovis> samba?
[17:37] <xephexx> I have kubuntu 9.10...will it automatically update when kubuntu 10.04 comes out???
[17:37] <arch0njw> xephexx: I already answered your question.
[17:37] <bottiger> jovis: it's grey. I can choose the "share with samba"-option though
[17:37] <xephexx> v
[17:37] <jovis> i always download and build samba myself
[17:38] <jovis> i dont like rpms
[17:38] <jovis> ftp us2.samba.org
[17:38] <jovis> ./confugre
[17:38] <jovis> then make mnake install
[17:38] <arch0njw> !paste | jovis
[17:38] <bottiger> jovis: yeah, but that feels wrong
[17:38] <jovis> i typed eacxh line myself sir
[17:39] <bottiger> jovis: And I do mind installing all the dependencies for compiling it
[17:39] <bottiger> jovis: but thank you for the feedback
[17:39] <arch0njw> I am always torn.  Compile and get the really latest, or use repositories and be updated with something pre-built for me.
[17:39] <jovis> then enable swat at localhos6:901 it makes it easier
[17:39] <xephexx> thanks arch0njw...
[17:39] <jovis> *host
[17:40] <arch0njw> jovis:  same applies for using enter/return as punctuation, please.
[17:40] <jovis> im just trying to help dorry
[17:40] <gkffjcs> Hey all, how do you delete the bouncy ball plasmoid, it's bouncing way too fast for me to actually click on it, to close it... And it's kind of annoying... ?
[17:40] <jovis> *&sorry
[17:41] <arch0njw> jovis:  I got "spoken to" about that a number of times before I broke my IM habits.  IRC is not IM.  :)
[17:41] <jovis> what does im have to do with irc
[17:41] <arch0njw> gkffjcs: You should be able to open your widget controls (like "add widget") and removei it via that.
[17:42] <jovis> im is for girls gossiping about boys in highschool
[17:42] <gkffjcs> how, right click? that doesn't do anything...
[17:42] <arch0njw> jovis: I have seen return/enter used regularly as punctuation in IM... worse yet, only a few lines per IM instead of complete sentences.  Apparently that way of sending a message is not appreciated here.
[17:42] <jovis> irc is for coders and people who know what theyre doing
[17:42] <Tm_T> jovis: arch0njw: please take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:42] <arch0njw> Tm_T: apologies
[17:43] <Tm_T> np
[17:43] <arch0njw> gkffjcs: you should be able to get to your "Add Widets" from the desktop.
[17:43] <gkffjcs> I know how to do that, but once it comes up, I can't do anything other than see a check mark next to the ball.
[17:44] <gkffjcs> there's no x, or anything.
[17:44] <arch0njw> gkffjcs: ratzzz... there used to be a way to do that is a previous iteration of kde4 :(  Um... thinking.
[17:45] <gkffjcs> I'm on 10.04 beta btw, so I'm using kde 4.4 not 4.3
[17:46] <gkffjcs> I'll ask the guys over at #kde, since they might be more used to dealing with 4.4
[17:46] <kpenrose> What is the semantic desktop and how does it work?
[17:49] <arch0njw> gkffjcs: ok.  I found the entry in... ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc  -- serach for bball and you'll find it.  You could swtich "AutoBounceenabled" to "false" and turn up the gravity to slow it down.  Not sure if removing the entry there would remove it from the desktop.'
[17:54] <gkffjcs> thanks arch0njw that worked, and I was able to remove it.
[17:56] <arch0njw> gkffjcs: cool!  Glad that worked.  :)
[18:02] <sekou> slt
[18:03] <sekou> comment t'aller vous
[18:03] <sekou> quelqu'un parler français
[18:03] <sekou> je besoin d'aide
[18:03] <Gerwin> ...
[18:03] <jovis> que pasa?
[18:04] <jovis> burrito supreme
[18:04] <Gerwin> Si si
[18:04] <Gerwin> :P
[18:04] <sekou> vous connaissez un logiciel qui fait l'espion sur le portable
[18:05] <arch0njw> !fr | sekou
[18:06] <vadmin> who install 7zip in kubuntu os
[18:09] <vadmin> how install gnome in kubuntu?
[18:10] <Tm_T> vadmin: by installing "ubuntu-desktop" package
[18:13] <vadmin> Tm_T ; how install this package?
[18:13] <vadmin>  how can i install this package from console?
[18:15] <shadeslayer> vadmin: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:17] <ubuntu_> hi
[18:17] <jovis> hi
[18:17] <ubuntu_> how do i install 4.4 the latest version of Kubuntu
[18:17] <ubuntu_> :)
[18:17] <ubuntu_> Hi Jovis
[18:17] <jovis> hello
[18:17] <ubuntu_> Hello
[18:17] <wizkoder> I am creating a debian package dor my game. And I set the dependecies like this: "Depends: libsdl-gfx1.2-4, libsdl-sound1.2-dev, libsdl-image1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-ttf2.0-0, libsdl1.2debian". Will this give errors when newer versions of the libs are installed?
 , this command not worked!
[18:21] <BluesKaj> !kde4.4 | ubuntu_
[18:21] <racerd> !kde
[18:21] <ubuntu_> I mean by command ?
[18:22] <ubuntu_> Like the way i switched from Gnome to Kubntu 4.3
[18:22] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4
[18:22] <racerd> how do i switch between gnome and kde
[18:22] <racerd> when the login screen is not an option
[18:22] <ubuntu_> racerd: on login screen
[18:22] <ubuntu_> or
[18:22] <ubuntu_> WHich are you on ? Gnome or Kubuntu ?
[18:23] <racerd> .....
[18:23] <racerd> nice answer ubuntu
[18:23] <ubuntu_> What happen ? i mean are you on Gonme or Kubunu AT THE MOMENT ?
[18:23] <racerd> not you ubuntu_
[18:24] <racerd> mean the other guy doesn't read
[18:24] <racerd> i am in gnome
[18:24] <ubuntu_> Oh
[18:24] <ubuntu_> :)
[18:24] <ubuntu_> Okay so try from desktop setting just a second
[18:25] <ubuntu_> Actually i am new to Kubuntu and i was good at gnome but here its bit different :)
[18:25] <ubuntu_> I had the same issue some days ago!
[18:25] <BluesKaj> hey ubuntu_ , change your nick..it's confusing the issue here
[18:25] <ubuntu_> Okay
[18:26] <racerd> doesn't confuse me
[18:26] <Ahmed\> here TA DA
[18:27] <BluesKaj> ok good Ahmed\ , now are you just looking to change your desktop to kubuntu-desktop instead of gnome which is also known as "ubuintu-desktop" ?
[18:27] <racerd> no
[18:27] <racerd> i am
[18:28] <Ahmed\> No no, I am not having any issue, Its Racerd
[18:28] <racerd> he has already done so
[18:28] <racerd> ....
[18:28] <BluesKaj> oh sorry , must be nap time
[18:28] <Ahmed\> Can't switch to Gnome or Kubuntu when the login screen comes
[18:28] <Ahmed\> HUH
[18:28] <Ahmed\> BRB
[18:29] <racerd> login screen is bugged
[18:29] <racerd> so it isn't an option for me
[18:31] <Ahmed\> Back
[18:31] <BluesKaj> Ahmed\, you wanted to know how to install the latest version of ubuntu or kubuntu, which is it ?
[18:31] <Ahmed\> Oh
[18:31] <Ahmed\> Yes Kubuntu but by Konsol
[18:31] <Ahmed\> Any command ? that will help me upgrading from 4.3 to the latest one
[18:32] <BluesKaj> Ahmed\, so you want the latest KDE version ?
[18:32] <racerd> you need to lay off the booze
[18:32] <Ahmed\> Yes KDE 4.4 and currently i am on KDE 4.3
[18:33] <BluesKaj> Ahmed\,  here, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4
[18:33] <Ahmed\> Yes so do i have to download all those packages ?or hwo
[18:33] <Ahmed\> cause i have had tried once but no luck
[18:33] <Ahmed\> not easy as switching from Gnome to KDE
[18:34] <racerd> i already installed the desktop
[18:34] <racerd> just wnat to be able to swap between them
[18:34] <racerd> and i can't use the login screen
[18:34] <BluesKaj> Ahmed\,the best way is to add the repository listed on that website to your sources.list and the sudo apt-get update
[18:35] <Ahmed\> I did that sudo -apt-get update but what exaclty is this for ? updating the system or what because i have had completed these updates
[18:35] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: then you need to run "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[18:36] <Ahmed\> Oh thank you thats what i am looking for
[18:36] <Ahmed\> :)
[18:36] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: 'update' updates the info from the repositories (listed in the sources.list) and 'upgrade' gets and installs any updated packages.
[18:36] <Ahmed\> Can you write the full command ? because this seems incomplee
[18:36] <Ahmed\> complete
[18:36] <Ahmed\> Oh yeah i see...
[18:37] <arch0njw> That's the complete command.
[18:37] <Ahmed\> sudo apt-get upgrade ? that's all ? sure i mean for upgrading the KDE
[18:37] <jovis> does anyojne build mips or arm linux kernels
[18:37] <Ahmed\> E: Invalid operation kubuntu-desktop
[18:37] <Ahmed\> I gets this
[18:38] <Ahmed\> Read this
[18:38] <Ahmed\> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:38] <Ahmed\> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:38] <BluesKaj> odd , I didn't use upgrade and I was able to install 4.4
[18:38] <Ahmed\> HUH
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Ahmed\: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[18:38] <shadeslayer> and answer yes
[18:39] <jovis> sudo sucks just su tyo root
[18:39] <BluesKaj> all you need is the repos and it will upgrade automatically
[18:39] <jovis> i hate not being root
[18:39] <Ahmed\> Shadeslayer: what is that command for ? and when should i put that to lock the drive ?
[18:39] <arch0njw> jovis: su is not the recommended approach on Ubuntu.  The typical Ubuntu/Kubuntu install does not have a root password set, and that is deliberate.
[18:40] <jovis> i know arch0nwj
[18:40] <jovis> and it pisses me off, i always su to root
[18:40] <Ahmed\> Actually i tried but it sais  NOT UPGRADED and nothing to install !
[18:40] <Ahmed\> ?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> Ahmed\: what are you trying to accomplish? ( havent read the backlog )
[18:41] <shadeslayer> Ahmed\: in one line please :)
[18:41] <Ahmed\> I did read
[18:41] <Ahmed\> Oh sorry :)
[18:41] <Ahmed\> BRB
[18:42] <arch0njw> jovis: I have had rare occassions where I have set a root password, but that is not a practice that should be advocated for Ubuntu.  It grants more destructive power in the system than what most people realize.  it is far safer to use sudo.
[18:43] <jovis> ok, a windows guy who happens to use linux may have a problem
[18:43] <jovis> if you know linux whats the problem
[18:44] <jovis> i always log in as root or su root as soojn as i get in
[18:44] <arch0njw> jovis: For the purposes of this IRC and this distro, I believe the best practice is to use sudo, and not to advocate the use of 'su'.
[18:44] <jovis> sudo irritates me
[18:45] <jovis> ok you have your opinion i have my preference
[18:45] <jovis> how is sudo any different that logging as root
[18:45] <racerd> jovis
[18:45] <jovis> sudo chmod -R 777 /*
[18:46] <racerd> sssshhhhh
[18:46] <jovis> same shit
[18:46] <racerd> if it irritates you why are you running kubuntu?
[18:46] <racerd> why not run slackware?
[18:47] <racerd> must be googling slackware
[18:47] <jovis> im running suse one one partition and unbuntu on the other
[18:47] <shadeslayer> !su | jovis
[18:48] <racerd> !sudo | jovis
[18:48] <racerd> am i doing something wrong?
[18:48] <jovis> nah i always run as root
[18:48] <shadeslayer> racerd: the factoid was used too recently by me :)
[18:49] <racerd> aaahhh
[18:50] <jovis> whats wrong with running root
[18:50] <racerd> nothing
[18:50] <racerd> it's a good idea
[18:50] <jovis> you have complete control
[18:50] <racerd> just be sure to post your ip
[18:50] <racerd> that is a good idea too
[18:50] <jovis> if i post my ip you think you can get into my box?
[18:51] <racerd> sigh
[18:51] <racerd> it was a general statement
[18:51] <racerd> not a threat
[18:51] <arch0njw> !troll
[18:51] <racerd> or saying i can do one thing or another
[18:52] <racerd> anycase, anyone know how to switch kde and gnome
[18:52] <racerd> not using the login screen?
[18:52] <Ahmed\> YES By removing KDE completely and install it again and CHOOSE KDS for the default desktop WHILE installing
[18:52] <Ahmed\> HUH
[18:52] <racerd> lol
[18:52] <racerd> there is a problem with that
[18:53] <Ahmed\> What now
[18:53] <racerd> bluetooth
[18:53] <racerd> if i can't configure it i want to be able to go back to gnome
[18:53] <Ahmed\> oh come on man
[18:53] <Ahmed\> i have one and works fine on Gnome and KDE huh
[18:54] <racerd> mouse and keyboard both?
[18:55] <racerd> i have an apple bluetooth keyboard
[18:55] <Ahmed\> Well, I have no idea about bluetooth keyboard and mouse but i think it does
[18:55] <Ahmed\> OH GREAT why dont you try it on Leopard !
[18:56] <racerd> pfff
[18:56] <racerd> it works great
[18:56] <racerd> linux uses the hot keys correctly and everything
[18:56] <racerd> even works in win7
[18:57] <Ahmed\> Well i have been on Vista x64 from a very long time and yeah i know what's so new in Windows 7
[18:57] <Ahmed\> Yes it has about every driver you need
[18:57] <racerd> what does
[18:57] <Ahmed\> Windows7
[18:57] <racerd> yeah
[18:58] <racerd> but it doesn't want to work
[18:58] <Ahmed\> Strange
[19:03] <andreas> does kubuntu  have a software download program like ubuntu
[19:06] <shadeslayer> andreas: kpackagekit
[19:09] <naftilos76> Hi, is there a setting that automatically lets the system keep only one or two or three or more kernels instead of keeping them all while upgrading to newer kernels?
[19:10] <andreas> how  can  i install google chrome
[19:14] <wizkoder> sudo makes sure that I don't continue to execute su commands. And this becomes painful sometimes when files cannot be deleted by the user later. So I think its good as it is.
[19:16] <andreas> is kubuntu slower than ubuntu
[19:17] <BluesKaj> andreas, it should be listed in your package manager
[19:18] <wizkoder> andreas: Are you a troll? Use ubuntu if you like it more!
[19:18] <andreas> no im not a troll
[19:18] <andreas> just a linux noob
[19:19] <BluesKaj> andreas, if you want chrome , check your package manager
[19:20] <andreas> i dont see chrome in kpackagekit
[19:21] <BluesKaj> andreas, enable all the software sources in kpackagekit , including third party
[19:23] <naftilos76> andreas: http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html?hl=en
[19:23] <lalalol> andreas, just so you know theres also chromium
[19:24] <jovis> do you guys know what an IOCTL is?
[19:24] <jovis> the dudes in #electronics didnt have a ckue
[19:26] <wizkoder> andreas: When you use the package they offer on their page it inserts new package sources. So it will be updated automatically later
[19:26] <aditirex1> jovis : system calls for performing operations with devices , search on google
[19:29] <jovis> aditirrexs1 you naileded it
[19:30] <jovis> ite for calling defive driveres
[19:34] <lalalol> how come the cursor sometimes falls back to the oxygen look?
[19:38] <lalalol> anyone?
[19:47] <racerd> so
[19:47] <racerd> anyone know a kde bluetooth package i can install?
[19:48] <BluesKaj> racerd, kbluetooth
[19:55] <luca> hoin #freenas
[19:55] <luca> join #freenas
[19:55] <Benkinooby> hmmm this is not kubuntut related but anyway... wikipedia.org does not respond! can some1 verify?
[19:56] <Benkinooby> ah
[19:56] <Benkinooby> now it works
[19:57] <Benkinooby> :)
[19:57] <Benkinooby> strange
[19:57] <luca><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:57] <FloodBotK2> Benkinooby: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:57] <luca> were is slash
[19:57] <luca> \|the opposite of slash
[19:57] <luca> \join #freenas
[19:57] <lalalol> depends which keyboard you have
[19:58] <luca> it chaqnge every time i turn up the pc
[19:58] <lalalol> :S
[20:00] <zus> is anyone using quassel irc? how can i move the black line in the chat window to the right? i thought moving it left will move the  text closet to the time stamp  but it hid the nicks instead
[20:01] <lalalol> zus, im using quassel
[20:02] <lalalol> but im not completely sure what you mean, do you have the Nicks on the right of the chat?
[20:02] <zus> lalalol:  im new to using it.. in the window where im reading this if i ya hover by the names there is a black line
[20:03] <lalalol> zus, could you try to be more specific please?
[20:05] <zus> lalalol:  next to the time stamp there are name in the window where the text is. hovering  between the <zus> and what i just wrote there is a line
[20:06] <zus> if i move it it only hide the names of people  and i can not move it to the right
[20:06] <lalalol> make sure to clear "Lock layout" under view
[20:07] <churst> What's a room that you guys know has people in it (other than this one, of course)? I need to check something.
[20:07] <lalalol> #ubuntu
[20:07] <churst> Cool, thanks.
[20:08] <lalalol> :)
[20:08] <zus> lalalol:  it isnt checked, but i just found there is another line i think i got...
[20:09] <lalalol> ok zus
[20:11] <lalalol> now, who can help with my cursor problem? sometimes the cursor falls back to the oxygen one, why?
[20:12] <zus> lalalol:  oh my im new to kubuntu...
[20:13] <arch0njw> lalalol: that sounds like a KDE problem to me.  Sorry to pass the buck, but that would be the root of the issue.  "Upstream" as the kids say... even the old geezers say that too.
[20:16] <lalalol> arch0njw, i dont understand what youre saying lol
[20:17] <arch0njw> join the kde channel and ask the question there.  :)  /join #kde  The cursor reverting to the default sounds like a KDE problem.
[20:17] <aldaek> is there a gui frontend to wget?
[20:18] <arch0njw> aldaek: an FTP client.
[20:18] <arch0njw> aldaek: or a web browser
[20:19] <aldaek> uh.... no... the download just stops and i have to restart it from the beginning... i need a front end to wget, since it is working
[20:19] <lalalol> ok arch0njw
[20:20] <arch0njw> try this?  http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/wget.htm
[20:23] <ilter> Hello i've a question about printer's options on pdf viewer; okular. I've hp d1500 series printer and i want to print only even pages of a pdf file. Could anybody explain how can i do it? Unfortunately when i click print, there is only 2 option on printer options range tab. One of them is "print all" and the other is "pages from x to y". Is there any extra programs for doing it?
[20:24] <arch0njw> ilter: I use epdfviewer which allows printing odd and even pages only
[20:25] <arch0njw> ilter: sudo apt-get install epdfview
[20:25] <ilter> arch0njw: Thank you, i'm going to install it.
[20:28] <zus> can quassel tab the name of the chat channels on the left? like in x chat?
[20:29] <ilter> arch0njw: Thank you so much for your help. I've just installed it and now i can print only odd and even pages of a pdf file.
[20:29] <arch0njw> ilter: no prob.  I love that little program.  It does a better job of scaling oddly sized pages (like credit card statements) to fit a normal sheet of paper.
[20:31] <ilter> arch0njw: Ok i'll try it also for scaling. Thanks again.
[20:47] <lalalol> !openoffice
[20:48] <lalalol> hmmmm, 47.8MB disk space will be used to install, so itll install another writer and another spreadsheet and so on im guessing :/
[20:52] <lalalol> hello?...
[20:53] <arch0njw> lalalol: hi... I'm not sure I get your point.
[20:55] <lalalol> well, i already have writer and spreadsheet and drawing and presentation installed
[20:55] <lalalol> but im missing some other progs
[20:56] <lalalol> and will the new progs use KDE too?
[20:56] <arch0njw> lalalol: If you already have OO.org installed, from the repositories, and choose to use the stated unofficial repository, that will update/overwrite your present installation.  It will not install duplicate applications.
[20:56] <arch0njw> lalalol: Not sure what you mean.  Do you mean will they look like KDE apps instead of GTK-running-in-KDE apps?
[20:57] <lalalol> yes arch0njw, u totally understand me :)
[20:57] <arch0njw> lalalol: iirc, they are better integrated.  But the fact is that they are GTK-based, so there is always going to be some oddity in 'reskinning' them to look normal in KDE.
[20:58] <RickKnight> Trying to use FUSE and ENCFS to encrypt folders. I can install fuse-utils but there is no fuse module. How do I get the fuse module or use fuse without the module?
[21:03] <RickKnight> Nevermind, I found the answer to my FUSE problem.
[21:06] <p_masho> how do I stop the "popup" that occurs where I hover over the date/time and application/launcher on the taskbar?
[21:21] <vadmin_> how switch to onther user in terminal
[21:22] <zus> do i still use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu for a kubuntu fresh insall (9.10)
[21:22] <Tm_T> vadmin_: "su user" where 'su' is 'switch user'
[21:24] <vadmin_> i want to connect to another user in terminal & i use "su user" but is not workrd
[21:27] <unixbaby> hallo world any one ... need help :)
[21:27] <Tm_T> vadmin_: replase user as the username you try to become (:
[21:27] <unixbaby> i got mobile broadband USB  it well not work why?
[21:28] <zus> im sure i asked but do i still use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu for kubuntu?
[21:28] <vadmin_> yes  i make my username exactly" su rabiisuer"
[21:28] <zus> hmm still learning quassel sorry for that immediate post
[21:35] <zus> sorry im a bit pressed for time on this, are ubuntu and kubuntu use the same https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[21:37] <Tm_T> zus: yes
[21:37] <zus> Tm_T:  thanks so much...
[21:45] <Moron> n
[21:52] <MadAGu> how can i autoload a custom stylesheet for dolphin?
[21:54] <Typos_King> ... dunno myself :|
[22:10] <zus> can some one tell me the path to add new ppa (like synaptic in gnome) 3rd party software
[22:13] <oscar__> quit
[22:19] <zus> never mind i found it.
[22:20] <taylor__> i cant do the updates
[22:22] <taylor_> can someone help me
[22:26] <Typos_King> can't do what updates?
[22:26] <Typos_King> taylor:   what are you after?
[22:29] <larsivi> how do I in kubuntu karmic get a digkam that is more recent than the dysfunctional 1.0.0-beta5?
[22:32] <kaitos> larsivi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/2:1.0.0-1ubuntu1~karmic1
[22:32] <kaitos> Could someone point me to directions for the best way to set up a KDE development environment on Kubuntu?
[22:33] <sheldon> hi...when i can find koffice 2.1.81 packaged for karmic?
[22:33] <sheldon> where*
[22:34] <larsivi> kaitos: do you know why the one in the main repos is broken?
[22:35] <larsivi> digkam devs tags bug reports on that version invalid
[22:35] <kaitos> larsivi: no, that link was just a quick search on launchpad.
[22:36] <sheldon> koffice 2.1.81 is not available as debian packages?
[22:49] <luderson> Hi! how can I hide the firefox menu bar in lucy beta 1???
[22:55] <Typos_King> lucy?
[22:55] <Typos_King> ohh :}
[22:55] <Typos_King> !lucid | luderson
[22:55] <luderson> oh, ok... I didnt know... thy
[23:12] <johannes_> hi when I try to open a hdd partition with dolphin it doesnt work (mount). If I run dolphin with sudo, it works and the partition gets mounted, is there a way to allow dolphin to mount partitions automatically without sudo rights?
[23:42] <zus> i just updated and installed kde 4.4 it seems like there is another gui over top of each other  what went wrong?
[23:42] <zus> i've two desktop folder and two task bars
[23:46]  * Typos_King is still using 3.5


[01:47] <axw> wallyworld: we didn't do planning.. I'm thinking 8 for the force-destroy card, because I think I'm going to have to go and implement ListVolumes/ListFilesystems as well
[01:47] <wallyworld> axw: or even break it up
[01:47] <wallyworld> a separate card for ListX
[01:47] <axw> wallyworld: well I'm not sure if that's how it'll work yet. I'll break it up when I have a better idea
[01:48] <wallyworld> ok
[01:48] <axw> wallyworld: will set 8 for now and then break up later, ok?
[01:48] <wallyworld> sure
[01:48] <wallyworld> we'll do more tonight
[01:50]  * thumper is running tests in windows and locally
[01:50] <thumper> god I hate the uniter tests
[01:54]  * thumper cries quietly as a different test fails intermittently on windows
[01:56] <mup> Bug #1476060 opened: uniter_test.go, startUpgradeError{} fails for windows <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1476060>
[02:06] <thumper> wallyworld: do you know much about the unit tests around "update-status"
[02:06] <thumper> wallyworld: I have an intermittent failure here
[02:06] <wallyworld> test name?
[02:08] <wallyworld> thumper: ?
[02:09] <thumper> uniter_test.go: 1351
[02:09] <thumper> nope
[02:09] <thumper> not that line
[02:11] <thumper> line 1310
[02:11] <wallyworld> looking
[02:11] <thumper> test desc: 			"all relations are available to config-changed on bounce, even if state dir is missing",
[02:11] <thumper> it blocks waiting for hooks
[02:11] <wallyworld> for idle?
[02:11] <thumper> start_hooks(false) expects an "update-status" hook call
[02:12] <thumper> then on line 1340, it waits for: 			waitHooks{"update-status", "config-changed"},
[02:12] <thumper> in the logs, there is only one "update-status" hook call, not two
[02:12] <wallyworld> my line numbers are different
[02:12] <thumper> ah... yeah
[02:13] <thumper> I'm looking in a branch where I added a few lines further up
[02:13] <thumper> due to fixing another bug
[02:13] <thumper> sorry
[02:13] <wallyworld> if the next comment after the waitHooks //// Check the state dir was recreated.
[02:13] <wallyworld> is
[02:14] <wallyworld> i can't see anything immediately obvious but horatio has done all that code, reviewed by william. i'll as him to look
[02:14] <wallyworld> how often does it fail?
[02:15] <thumper> regularly now on ppc64el and windows
[02:15] <thumper> enough to be a critical blocker
[02:15] <wallyworld> but on ubuntu is ok?
[02:15] <thumper> yep
[02:15] <thumper> wonderful eh?
[02:15] <wallyworld> sigh
[02:15] <thumper> and I just fixed a different bug
[02:15] <wallyworld> in uniter?
[02:15] <thumper> well, fix is an extreme word
[02:15] <thumper> skip a test
[02:15]  * thumper is submitting now
[02:15] <wallyworld> ah :-)
[02:16] <thumper> the bug mentions a failing test
[02:16] <thumper> there were two
[02:16] <thumper> and I fixed the one this bug didn't mention
[02:16]  * thumper sighs
[02:16] <wallyworld> ok, we'll take care of this other one
[02:16] <wallyworld> maybe we need to finally gate landings on windows and ppc tests
[02:16]  * thumper nods
[02:17] <wallyworld> like we've been talking about forever
[02:17] <thumper> I have a windows vm running
[02:17] <wallyworld> ooh yuck
[02:17] <thumper> there is one thing that looked strange to me
[02:17] <thumper> replacing a real timeout value with zero
[02:18] <thumper> I'm not convinced that that time.After always works properly with that
[02:18] <thumper> seen evidence in other places
[02:18] <thumper> perhaps replace with 1 millisecond
[02:18] <thumper> rather than zero
[02:20] <thumper> wallyworld: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2206/diff/#
[02:20] <wallyworld> looking
[02:20]  * wallyworld forgot he was ocr
[02:21] <wallyworld> sigh
[02:21] <thumper> oh...
[02:21] <thumper> it is 1 millisecond now
[02:22] <wallyworld> thumper: i think also a mock timer was introduced
[02:22] <thumper> why do we have both?
[02:22] <wallyworld> to control the triggering of the idle event
[02:22] <thumper> 	s.PatchValue(uniter.LoopIsIdleCheckTime, 1*time.Millisecond)
[02:22] <thumper> 	s.PatchValue(uniter.EnterLoopIsIdleTime, 1*time.Millisecond)
[02:23] <thumper> the timing is different on ppc and windows
[02:23] <wallyworld> in what way?
[02:23] <thumper> hence, I'm betting this is why we are getting different numbers of calls
[02:23] <thumper> scheduler works differently on different architectures / platforms
[02:23] <wallyworld> 1 milli second is too small anyway
[02:24] <thumper> these tests aren't checking for idle
[02:24] <wallyworld> no, but update status hook depends on idle
[02:24] <thumper> just the update status
[02:24] <thumper> ah
[02:24] <thumper> poo
[02:24] <wallyworld> update status only fired when idle
[02:24]  * thumper goes to make a coffee
[02:25]  * wallyworld is jealous - coffee machine here is broken :-(
[03:48] <menn0> thumper or wallyworld: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2207/diff/#
[04:16] <wallyworld> menn0: +1 - did horatio's fix need to be backed out now this is handled generically? ie i guess the whole doc can be passed in now
[04:17] <wallyworld> that would be ore robust than naming the fields
[04:18] <menn0> wallyworld: that's the plan. I'm going to undo the fixes he made.
[04:18] <wallyworld> ok, ty
[04:18] <menn0> wallyworld: there's also going to be a PR with DB migrations which fix the currently incorrect records
[04:19] <wallyworld> yay
[05:18] <menn0> thumper or wallyworld: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2208/
[05:18] <wallyworld> looking
[05:18] <wallyworld> yay
[05:43] <thumper> poke me with a fork
[05:43] <thumper> I'm done
[05:43] <thumper> laters
[09:01] <dooferlad> TheMue: hangout?
[09:02] <TheMue> dooferlad: omw, had phone
[09:03] <dooferlad> fwereade: are you hangoutable?
[11:40] <mup> Bug #1476214 opened: --repository option for 'juju deploy' sometimes has issues with symlinked directories <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1476214>
[12:49] <tasdomas> hi
[12:50] <tasdomas> has anyone seen test failures for github.com/juju/juju/service ?
[12:50] <tasdomas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11909054/
[12:50] <perrito666> tasdomas: yes I attributed them to my system being dirty
[12:51] <tasdomas> perrito666, ;-]
[12:51] <perrito666> tasdomas: seems that it is something else
[12:51] <perrito666> series "\" is certainly wrong
[12:52] <tasdomas> perrito666, yeah - that was my thinking too
[12:58] <dooferlad> TheMue: could you take a look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2197/ when you have the time?
[12:59] <TheMue> dooferlad: will take it for you *rofl*
[13:09] <sinzui> katco: alexisb: 1.24.3 needs one commit and bless to be released. This review has "Ship It" http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2210/, may I queue to to merge?
[13:12] <mgz> sinzui: it's not clearl which part of the fix for the bug that is...
[13:12] <sinzui> mgz: The bug lists 3 branches, that is the only one not merged.
[13:12] <mgz> okAY, MEENO ADDED TH INFO IN THE BUG
[13:13] <mgz> caaaaps
[13:13] <mgz> sinzui: landing it seems good to me, I'll queue
[13:14] <sinzui> mgz: meno also added the same comment on his other in progress bug https://launchpad.net/juju-core/+milestone/1.24.3. I think bug 1474195 is fix committed
[13:14] <mup> Bug #1474195: juju 1.24 memory leakage <cpec> <deployer> <performance> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474195>
[13:17] <mgz> sinzui: see uniter tests thread on juju-dev list for more fun
[13:17] <sinzui> mgz :/ I am reading the argument to merge jes-cli snd make it master
[13:23] <lazyPower> does anyone have a moment to help debug juju-db not running on a state server? I'm out of ideas as to why its failing to start up and syslog is not giving me anything helpful to go on.
[13:23] <lazyPower> lukasa in #juju would appreciate it i'm sure.
[14:01] <katco> natefinch: standup
[14:17] <katco> wwitzel3: ericsnow: natefinch: doh just remembered. i will be out over lunch. doc. appt.
[14:17] <ericsnow> fwereade: thanks for those reviews!
[14:23] <fwereade> ericsnow, yw, hope they helped
[14:24] <ericsnow> fwereade: definitely
[14:24] <fwereade> ericsnow, do you see what I mean about having details nested inside what one whight thing were model packages?
[14:24] <fwereade> s/thinng/think/
[14:24] <ericsnow> fwereade: haven't read through the reviews in detail yet :)
[14:24] <fwereade> ah god I just can't type
[14:25] <fwereade> ericsnow, let me know if anything bears further discussion :)
[14:25] <ericsnow> fwereade: will do
[14:25] <mup> Bug #1476214 changed: --repository option for 'juju deploy' sometimes has issues with symlinked directories <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1476214>
[15:25] <mup> Bug #1442149 opened: UniterSuite.TestUniterUpgradeConflicts fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442149>
[15:41] <TheMue> dooferlad: have to swap offices in a few moments, so I'm not sure if I'll be at the network hangout
[15:41] <dooferlad> TheMue: OK, join when you can
[15:42] <TheMue> dooferlad: will do
[15:44] <dooferlad> TheMue: you merged didn't you... *slap*
[15:44] <TheMue> dooferlad: I should, shouldn't I ... ;)
[15:45] <dooferlad> TheMue: rebase! rebase!
[15:45] <dooferlad> TheMue: it is easy to fix
[15:45] <dooferlad> TheMue: just a bit annoying
[15:45] <TheMue> dooferlad: ah, the newest one, hmm, I thought I rebased
[15:46] <dooferlad> TheMue: don't worry. The best thing to do is only make changes on a branch that are related to the topic you are working on
[15:47] <dooferlad> TheMue: we can do a rebase on master as a specific task
[15:48] <TheMue> dooferlad: I do so
[15:49] <dooferlad> TheMue: odd. Oh well, merge-commit from master onto net-cli, then rebase net-cli on master works to clean things up.
[15:49] <TheMue> dooferlad: I currently don't work on net-cli
[15:57] <katco> ericsnow: wwitzel3: so the status api server has the same interesting property as state, which is to say it's difficult to abstract without embedding your type in the existing status apiserver struct
[15:58] <ericsnow> katco: lovely
[15:58] <katco> ericsnow: wwitzel3: we could begin a pattern wherein we register accessors that return either a json string or interface{}
[15:59] <katco> ericsnow: wwitzel3: returning a structured string (json) doesn't strike me as horrible, but it may be a bit different than we're doing things currently
[15:59] <katco> ericsnow: wwitzel3: we'll have to see
[16:11] <wwitzel3> katco: hrmm, I think json sounds reasonable
[16:12] <katco> wwitzel3: i do too... so we would register functions/types that get status for something and have sig func() (string, error)
[16:12] <katco> wwitzel3: and then the common apiserver stuff would iterate through those and bundle it in the result
[16:13] <katco> wwitzel3: and then the client would have to understand how to parse that
[16:13] <katco> wwitzel3: it's just a bit different than we do it now, b/c we have our RPC functionality do that bit for us
[16:14] <katco> wwitzel3: i.e. FacadeCall("FullStatus", &statusType) instead of FacadeCall("FullStatus", &jsonString)
[16:14] <wwitzel3> katco: yeah, the thing that is nice about that is then state and registered clients have an implicit contract and we aren't having to try and force things for future clients in to some interface that is likely to be different depending on the needs of the component
[16:16] <katco> wwitzel3: i don't think it solves our versioning problem, if that's what you're saying
[16:17] <katco> wwitzel3: we still have to account for combinations of client & server version
[16:17] <wwitzel3> katco: no, not versioning, it simplifies how things look when we start to add and/or refactor other things to components
[16:17] <katco> wwitzel3: ah, yes
[18:39] <sinzui> katco: Do you have a few minutes to review http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2216/
[18:52] <alexisb> sinzui, katco is away atm
[18:52] <sinzui> thank you alexisb
[18:52] <alexisb> maybe another moonstone team member can help
[18:52] <alexisb> wwitzel3, natefinch, ericsnow ^^^
[18:53] <ericsnow> sinzui: done :)
[18:53] <sinzui> thank you ericsnow
[18:53] <natefinch> damn beat me
[18:55] <alexisb> ericsnow is lightning fast!
[19:00] <katco> alexisb: ty :)
[19:01] <alexisb> katco, thank you for keeping the team calendar up-to-date :)
[19:06] <perrito666> sinzui: hey, is there a way I can procure a ppc machine for a moment to try out some things for the uniter blocker?
[19:07] <sinzui> perrito666: I can put your key on stilson-09. You can hack on the same machine that runs the test
[19:07] <perrito666> sinzui: that would work
[19:40] <katco> ericsnow: is your state branch landed yet?
[19:40] <ericsnow> yep
[19:41] <katco> ericsnow: cool... does wwitzel3 and natefinch know so they can rebase?
[19:41] <ericsnow> katco: right now trying to land the branch with the fixes for bugs we found while trying to get the demo working
[19:41] <katco> ericsnow: ah ok. so hold off?
[19:41] <ericsnow> katco: for the moment
[19:42] <ericsnow> katco: actually, that shouldn't be a real blocker
[19:44] <wwitzel3> yeah, once those fixes land I'll be able to give another end to end run of the wordpress-wpm charm
[19:44] <wwitzel3> I cleaned up the charm and fixes up the errors I hit along the way though, so it is pretty good shape now
[19:44] <katco> wwitzel3: cool ty
[19:45] <katco> ericsnow: wwitzel3: natefinch: if anyone is interested in what i'm doing, i can pair. some interesting problems
[19:45] <wwitzel3> katco: yeah, that sounds good
[19:46] <katco> wwitzel3: cool i'll hop in moonstone
[20:36] <katco> ericsnow: hey which struct stores juju's notion of process state?
[20:37] <ericsnow> katco: in what context?
[20:37] <natefinch> ericsnow or wwitzel3: can one of you give me edit rights to the Juju Charm Workload Process Management doc? I have to tweak the juju status output, because what's there is invalid yaml :)
[20:38] <wwitzel3> natefinch: will do that now
[20:38] <katco> ericsnow: so when we run juju status, where do i go to get the new process info out of state?
[20:39] <ericsnow> katco: see State.UnitProcesses() (in state/processes.go)
[20:44] <katco> ericsnow: can you join moonstone rq?
[20:44] <ericsnow> katco: sure
[21:02] <natefinch> back later
[21:14] <thumper> sinzui: if we want ppc64el tests to pass, we NEED to increase the timeout
[21:14] <waigani> katco, ericsnow: wasn't this fix landed in 1.25: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1468815
[21:14] <mup> Bug #1468815: Upgrade fails moving syslog config files "invalid argument" <ci> <regression> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468815>
[21:14] <ericsnow> waigani: wwitzel3 is working on that
[21:14] <waigani> ericsnow: okay, thanks
[21:18] <sinzui> thumper: I can do that. 30 minutes? 40?
[21:18] <thumper> 20 should be fine
[21:18] <thumper> the default is 20
[21:18] <thumper> sorry, 10
[21:20] <sinzui> thumper: 20 right. I chage the safe and robust options to use a 20 minute timeout
[21:22] <perrito666> back, sorry
[21:23] <perrito666> k Ill revert the update status patch, the issue will not be solved (as it is there) but it wont be visible (as it was before)
[21:53] <sinzui> katco: Your observation about feature branches verses blocked master is relevent to my expereince when Lp development did the same. The maintenance teams becase a source of blockers, and since they rotates off maintenance quickly, others had to undo the fixes
[21:54] <sinzui> s/because/became/
[21:56] <katco> sinzui: i suppose we're just getting started with this. we'll see how it plays out. i just wanted to make sure to raise the point that i think regardless of whether jes is landed now or after master is unblocked, the end result will be the same both in terms of time to unblock master, and quality of master.
[21:56] <katco> sinzui: but that if we landed jes now, that could be a large positive. so no negatives, one positive
[21:56] <perrito666> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2220/
[21:57] <sinzui> katco: Indeed. I had gave hes a higer rank in CI testing because that team had more incenitive fix master. :(
[22:02] <thumper> perrito666: shipit
[22:02] <sinzui> thumper: the 1200s change is in place
[22:02] <thumper> sinzui: cheers
[22:03] <thumper> sinzui: fyi, I'm never going to fix master issues on the jes branch
[22:03] <thumper> sinzui: will always fix in master, then merge master into jes
[22:03] <thumper> sinzui: doesn't make sense to fix in the jes-cli branch
[22:03] <sinzui> fair enough
[22:03] <thumper> so once perrito666's branch lands in master, I'll merge master in jes
[22:03] <thumper> that and the timing fix *should* give us a good shot
[22:04] <thumper> however there are still racy tests in the uniter code, particularly around metrics
[22:04] <thumper> so we may need to hammer it a few times
[22:04] <thumper> fixing the uniter issues is not going to be a quick fix
[22:06] <perrito666> thumper: so, I $$ed the branch, now we wait
[22:06] <perrito666> about racyness
[22:07] <perrito666> the metrics races are better covered since I merged update-status extra hooks since it made clear what was failing (fake timers)
[22:07] <perrito666> s/better covered/a bit les racy
[22:07] <perrito666> and regarding uniter, the race is still there it just lacks coverage
[22:08] <perrito666> idle is still happening at different times in every run we are just not looking at it
[22:36] <perrito666> thumper: merged
[23:05] <axw> wwitzel3: thanks for forward porting my rsyslog fix, forgot about it last week
[23:27] <wwitzel3> axw: thanks for fixing it :)


[04:18] <coreymon77> is anyone here?
[05:48] <Whopper> When is 13:00 UTC in EST?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[05:48] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 24 Jun 06:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 23:00: Community Council | 27 Jun 01:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jun 06:00: Xubuntu Developers | 29 Jun 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:00] <nixternal> 09:00
[06:00] <nixternal> @schedule newyork
[06:00] <nixternal> heh, that doesn't work
[06:19] <Whopper> @schedule 54701
[01:17] <bashelier> /quit
[01:17] <bashelier>
[01:18] <juliux> @schedule
[01:18] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 23 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 13:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team