[04:54] <highvoltage> u/join #weirdos
[04:55] <ebroder> Somebody's been reading the blogs :-P
[05:12] <stalcup> what's a blog?
[14:16] <ari-tczew> bdrung: interesting case. update-maintainer from daily u-d-t couldn't work: update-maintainer: Error: No Maintainer field found in ./debian/control.
[14:16] <ari-tczew> bdrung: get source of seahorse-plugins from Debian unstable and check it
[14:18] <bdrung> ari-tczew: if you want to help, file a bug report and distillate a testcase (ubuntutools/test/test_update_maintainer.py)
[14:19] <ari-tczew> bdrung: how can I run it?
[14:19] <bdrung> ari-tczew: bug confirmed
[14:19] <ari-tczew> (sorry for my lack of knowledge)
[14:20] <bdrung> ari-tczew: build the package and see what is done.
[14:21] <ari-tczew> bdrung: which package?
[14:22] <bdrung> ari-tczew: ubuntu-dev-tools
[14:22] <bdrung> the test are run on build
[14:22] <bdrung> s/test/tests/
[14:22]  * bdrung is currently very busy.
[14:23] <ari-tczew> still confused
[14:23] <ari-tczew> bdrung: do you need reported bug?
[14:25] <bdrung> ari-tczew: either file a bug or propose a bzr branch merge that add a testcase which tests this issue
[14:25] <ari-tczew> bdrung: I'll report a bug
[14:41] <dholbach> good morning
[14:42] <ari-tczew> hello dholbach
[14:59] <ari-tczew> maco: should we forward your patch to Debian? bug 345727
[15:00] <nigelb> Laney_: people seem to walk into that channel and then leave :p
[15:00] <nigelb> Laney_: (you know the one where you entered and said ':O' and left :p)
[15:00] <Bachstelze> #ubuntu ?
[15:01] <ari-tczew> maybe he was excited of number of developers in one place
[15:01] <Bachstelze> that's what I feel like saying every time I go there
[15:05] <Laney> nigelb: :P just wanted to see if it still existed
[15:16] <nigelb> Laney: hehe
[15:17] <nigelb> Laney: me and jonathan are trying to make it cool to hang out there ;)
[15:34] <evaluate> dapal, ping?
[15:34] <dapal> evaluate: pong, will look at the package later tonight :)
[15:35] <evaluate> dapal, just wanted to let you know that I just had a look at the installation again, and it throws me a bunch of errors right now...
[15:35] <dapal> ah :)
[15:35] <evaluate> not sure why though, the first time it worked really fine...
[15:35] <dapal> take your time to fix/look at it then, there's no hurry :p
[15:35] <dapal> (and I'm a bit busy too)
[15:36] <evaluate> ok, I will let you know if/when I find the issue
[15:36] <Laney> look! a hanska!
[15:36] <dapal> eeeek!
[15:51] <evaluate> dapal, hmm, it seems that the script also uses some custom smarty stuff, so I guess I can't use the shared smarty library after all...
[15:52] <dapal> uhm :/
[15:53] <evaluate> so I'd either have to use the smarty lib they supply or create some patches so that it works with the shared one (if this is even possible -- I will have to look at it), but I think the first one would be much better IMO
[15:54] <dapal> I agree
[15:54] <dapal> if you can, make a diff between the customised smarty and the system one, just to understand what's different
[15:54] <dapal> maybe the system one could be patched
[15:55] <evaluate> dapal, thing is that they don't use the current smarty version that is in debian. they use 2.6.25 and debian has 2.6.26
[15:55] <dapal> ah
[15:55] <dapal> if the difference is only in the version, maybe you could try to patch CMS
[15:55] <dapal> for simplicity, you could just leave the code there though
[15:56] <evaluate> dapal, well, from what I can tell, they expect different function names from smarty. let me paste you something real quick
[16:00] <evaluate> dapal, http://paste.debian.net/104313/
[16:00] <Bachstelze> is there a standard procedure to request a sync? bug 694387 is fixed in a newer Debian version
[16:01] <Laney> !sync
[16:01] <geser> Bachstelze: requestsync from ubuntu-dev-tools
[16:03] <evaluate> dapal, also, it seems that the file that contains the different code gets loaded directly from the smarty core file, so I can't actually tell the shared smarty librari from debian to load my custom file, because it loads the default one automatically.
[16:03] <dapal> evaluate: ok ok, keep the embedded one
[16:36] <evaluate> dapal, btw, setting the permissions in the rules file doesn't seem to work...
[18:18] <evaluate> dapal, finished and uploaded the new package. Whenever you've got time :-)
[18:41] <hrw> hi guys
[18:50] <ari-tczew> hi hrw
[20:25] <kklimonda> ugs, update-maintainer takes 7 seconds to replace two lines..
[20:26] <kklimonda> heh.. it runs rmadison underneath..
[20:32] <kklimonda> bdrung: does it really make sense to make update-maintainer handle all cases under the sun? runnig rmadison twice makes it really slow, and the reason for that is apparently preventing developers from shooting themselves into feet
[20:50] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: which u-d-t do you use? from archive or daily?
[20:53] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: from archive
[21:09] <bdrung> kklimonda: 7 seconds? it runs rmadison?
[21:09] <udienz> Hello, dep5 have rev 155 can i used it now for new packages for Ubuntu?
[21:10] <kklimonda> bdrung: the version for natty does
[21:13] <ari-tczew> udienz: sure
[21:13] <bdrung> kklimonda: natty still have the pre-rewritten u-m. please use https://launchpad.net/~udt-developers/+archive/daily until the next release of udt
[21:14] <bdrung> real	0m0.048s
[21:14] <kklimonda> bdrung: will do
[21:19] <micahg> txwikinger: ping
[21:19] <txwikinger> micahg: pong
[21:20] <micahg> txwikinger: could you please look at bug 684510 re ichthux-meta
[21:20] <txwikinger> micahg: ok.. I do
[21:21] <micahg> txwikinger: thanks
[21:21] <txwikinger> micahg: Yes.. I think the package should be dropped.. it is not needed
[21:21] <txwikinger> You want me to write a comment into the bug report?
[21:22] <micahg> txwikinger: the meta package or the binary?
[21:22] <udienz> ari-tczew, when we must send a patch wih 'submittodebian'? if a patch apllied in debian packages or whan a patch has works well?
[21:23] <ari-tczew> udienz: if it's non ubuntu specific, then forward.
[21:23] <ari-tczew> udienz: btw. submittodebian is no only way
[21:24] <ari-tczew> udienz: I'll comment your application tomorrow
[21:24] <ari-tczew> udienz: or later if deadline is not tomorrow
[21:24] <txwikinger> micahg: which meta package?
[21:25] <micahg> txwikinger: ichthux
[21:25] <txwikinger> no. ichthux should stay
[21:25] <udienz> ari-tczew, i don't know it's a patch is ubuntu spesific or not. i mean a patch works if used debian experimental
[21:25] <txwikinger> I will modify it to take out the sword language packages
[21:25] <udienz> ari-tczew, aha thanks... feel free to comments when you free
[21:26] <ari-tczew> udienz: "used debian experimental" - can't gotcha
[21:26] <ari-tczew> what does it mean?
[21:26] <micahg> txwikinger: great, thanks, let me know if you need a sponsor
[21:26] <txwikinger> ok.. thanks micahg
[21:26] <udienz> ari-tczew, i mean in debian ustable a packages works well by "dpkg-buildpackage" but not in debian-experimental
[21:27] <udienz> i use gcc-4.5 and binutils-gold
[21:27] <ari-tczew> udienz: how do you testing packages to get build?
[21:28] <udienz> ari-tczew, yes, always. minimum 3 times, building via dpkg-buildpackage, pbuildr and ppa
[21:28] <udienz> *pbuilder
[21:28] <udienz> just make sure this package have bug
[21:28] <lfaraone> tumbleweed: sent off your report to the front desk, they'll check it and send it along to DAM, who will say "yes", and tell DSA to create you an account.
[21:29] <ari-tczew> udienz: if you're working of fix ftbfs with binutils-gold/gcc4.5 you don't need to sending every package to PPA. pbuilder natty is enough.
[21:29] <ari-tczew> udienz: and one time is enough.
[21:30] <ari-tczew> another case if you do: build package -> update pbuilder -> build package once again - that's fine then
[21:35] <bdrung> tumbleweed: do you want to become uploader of u-d-t once you are DD?
[22:10] <udienz> fixed bug 701476
[22:22] <tumbleweed> lfaraone: that was amazingly quick, thanks
[22:23] <tumbleweed> bdrung: sure, I imagine I'll be involved in it for a while to come
[22:24] <bdrung> tumbleweed: your merge proposals are still on my todo list.
[22:25] <tumbleweed> bdrung: good good, I still have some stuff to do for the builders. been busy with NM and other things
[22:26] <bdrung> tumbleweed: we should do at least one u-d-t release this month
[22:26] <tumbleweed> yeah, sounds good, otherwise there's way too much untested code
[22:27] <lfaraone> tumbleweed: hehe, 3 days is unheard of, you're right. but don't worry, they'll have you in the DAM queue for a week at least.
[22:28] <bdrung> tumbleweed: my NM process took nearly a year. ;)
[22:28] <lfaraone> bdrung: I was in it for 6 months.
[22:28] <bdrung> tumbleweed: btw, we should try to create a testcase for every bug that is reported.
[22:29] <lfaraone> to tumbleweed 's credit, he did apply in October.
[22:32] <tumbleweed> bdrung: yeah, that's always a good idea (sorry timed out there, dodgy DSL line)
[22:32] <DktrKranz> bdrung: I think you can even upload u-d-t to unstable this time
[22:33] <bdrung> DktrKranz: then why did we upload it to experimental?
[22:33] <DktrKranz> in case we need to fix things before squeeze, but I don't think it'll be the case anymore
[22:34] <DktrKranz> anyway, it's fine to have it in experimental for another upload too
[22:47] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: so, people forgot that Debian isn't yet released?
[22:50] <lfaraone> ari-tczew: no… people *can* upload to unstable if they want.
[22:50] <ari-tczew> aha
[22:57] <Laney> I imagine Debian will release quite soon, so no need
[22:58] <DktrKranz> ari-tczew: basically, we didn't upload to unstable to be given the chance to upload fixes straight to unstable instead of targeting t-p-u, now that we're close to release, and there weren't lots of bugs reported, uploading to unstable could be an option


[02:54] <micahg> mr_pouit: so, I got most of the plugins sync'd, the remaining ones either need a merge or FTBFS, would you consider using dpkg-vendor and having xubuntu specific stuff in Debian?
[11:07] <mr_pouit> micahg: I saw that, thanks for all the syncs! :)
[11:07] <mr_pouit> for dpkg-vendor, I don't know, I'll have to see with Corsac
[11:07] <mr_pouit> I'm not sure all deltas are worth that though
[11:09] <mr_pouit> especially for very ubuntu specific changes (e.g. when the design team decide to cripple gtk)
[11:16] <mr_pouit> and other "long-term" changes (e.g. different binary packages for tumbler) might evolve as upstream makes improvement (e.g. for tumbler, a gstreamer thumbnailer has been added in git, so the packaging split will not be needed anymore)
[11:17] <mr_pouit> I guess, let's make a list of the ones that still have some ubuntu delta ;-)
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 5 hours (19:00 UTC). Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[15:35] <pleia2> charlie-tca: can you let my mail through on xubuntu-devel? I used the wrong email addy :\
[15:36] <charlie-tca> I have to have cody-somerville do it. I am only admin on xubuntu-users
[15:36] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: help please!
[15:36] <pleia2> oh ok
[15:37] <pleia2> sent it yesterday, follow-up to drupal theme question
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Oh, good. I was hoping you would have an answer to that one
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Kernel is in now going to 3.0.0
[15:59] <drc> Has Linus been talkinig to Patrick?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but he made the decision to jump to 3.0 instead of -40
[16:00] <drc> Yeah, I read that.
[16:00] <pleia2> wouldn't 2.8 have made more sense?
[16:00] <pleia2> nevermind, sense need not apply
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I don't know. Apparently it has not been enough time for 2.8 yet
[16:01] <charlie-tca> http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2011-05-30-006-41-NW-LF-KN
[16:02] <drc> Woah, I haven't heard the term "bikesheding" in ages :)
[16:02] <pleia2> lucky you :)
[16:03] <charlie-tca> stick around, it does get used in Ubuntu every so often
[16:03] <drc> Nah, Think I'll move to LMDE ;)
[16:04] <pleia2> charlie-tca: no meeting for me again this week, I'm in canada visiting my sister
[16:04]  * pleia2 will be out exploring edmonton!
[16:04] <knome> nice
[16:04] <pleia2> no updates though, still need to set up a wordpress test bed
[16:04] <knome> have fun
[16:04] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:04] <pleia2> knome: thanks :)
[16:04] <charlie-tca> enjoy yourself
[16:04] <knome> pleia2, i could do that
[16:05] <knome> just doesn't make this non-sucky
[16:05] <pleia2> knome: yeah, I figured one of us would, I am reinstalling one of my servers next weekend so it would be no problem for me to toss it in and give you admin
[16:05] <pleia2> I was waiting to calm down from being annoyed at the suckiness ;)
[16:05] <charlie-tca> +1 on the knome statement. It has been very frustrating
[16:06] <knome> pleia2, takes me about 5mins to set up a wordpress installation :)
[16:06]  * pleia2 nods
[16:06] <pleia2> well, whichever one of us can, preferably in a place where we can both have ssh and wordpress admin
[16:07] <knome> mm-hmm
[16:07] <knome> that would be okay for me as well, but if you have your own server, that's maybe better
[16:08] <pleia2> yeah, I have one that I specifically maintain for ubuntu stuff (even though it runs debian, sshh)
[16:08] <knome> :)
[16:15]  * pleia2 back to canadaing
[16:15] <drc> beer, eh
[16:15] <charlie-tca> :-)
[16:18] <knome> beer, where?
[16:18] <Soupermanito> bear?!
[16:19] <knome> polar bears are here in the streets of helsinki
[16:19] <Soupermanito> :P you know what a polar bear is?
[16:19] <knome> i do.
[16:19] <drc> Bah...another day, another bØrked install :(
[16:19] <knome> :P
[16:20] <Soupermanito> its a bear who's mother is real and his father imaginary!
[16:20] <knome> Soupermanito, psst, i'm his father
[16:20] <Soupermanito> XD
[16:21] <charlie-tca> drc: nothing is installing today: Ubuntu desktop images broken, Kubuntu desktop images broken, Xubuntu alternate and desktop images broken
[16:21] <Soupermanito> D:
[16:21] <drc> At least it's consistent.
[16:22] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu and Kubuntu alternate images work
[16:24] <drc> bah...off to visit sister (in hospital, not Edmonton, unfortunately)
[16:45] <charlie-tca> !es
[16:45] <charlie-tca> knome: can we add #xubuntu-es to that factoid? You are better at it than I am.
[18:25] <charlie-tca> drc: how is your sister?
[18:26] <drc> ill, but not currently life threatening
[18:26] <charlie-tca> very good
[18:26] <drc> She's getting old (nevermind that she's a year younger than I am)
[18:26] <charlie-tca> I resemble old, too
[18:27]  * charlie-tca been told he resembles elderly at times, too
[18:28]  * drc positively states that although he is a curmudgeon, not he is *not* old. GOML!
[18:35] <drc> charlie-tca: Is there somewhere I can check to see if the daily images are known to fail (like today) before I DL and try to install?  I don't mind the fail, but it's just a waste of time is it's a *known thing*.
[18:36] <charlie-tca> This normally should tell you - http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/oneiric/
[18:36] <charlie-tca> but you can also ask here. I normally run them as soon as I can sync them.
[18:37] <drc> But that could be after tea time :)
[18:38] <charlie-tca> I also look at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/      daily and daily-live      to see if new images were even created.
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Looking at daily-live shows we have not even created ov
[18:38] <charlie-tca> oneiric images yet
[18:38] <drc> yup, just alternate
[18:38] <charlie-tca> daily is the alternate image and daily-live is the desktop
[18:39] <charlie-tca> so, daily-live will fail until we get an image
[18:40] <drc> That log file is a large file, anything I'm looking for in particular (as in: I can search for)?
[18:40] <charlie-tca> normally search for ERROR
[18:41] <charlie-tca> or error, in the logs, but I don't think the alternate image is failing there
[18:42] <charlie-tca> at least, I don't see the error in there
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 25 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:59]  * charlie-tca looks around for those attending the meeting
[19:59]  * micahg pokes his head up
[19:59]  * drc arrives early so he can get a seat down front.
[20:00] <drc> closer to the refreshments!
[20:00]  * charlie-tca thinks at least the front row isn't empty now
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Welcome to the Xubuntu Community Meeting!
[20:01]  * micahg could use some refreshments
[20:01] <charlie-tca> We have a few things to discuss today, the full agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[20:01] <mr_pouit> o hai
[20:01]  * charlie-tca gives micahg a soda
[20:01] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit made it, too!
[20:01]  * micahg thanks charlie-tca for the soda
[20:01]  * holstein lurks as well
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Here is the agenda, for
[20:02] <charlie-tca> those who can't get the web page to work today
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Old business - all
[20:02] <charlie-tca>     email the ML with proposed meeting days and times, Mon, Tues only for days
[20:02] <charlie-tca>     knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing - carried forward
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Team updates - Team Leads
[20:02] <charlie-tca>     Packaging & Development
[20:02] <charlie-tca>     Bug Triage & Testing
[20:02] <charlie-tca>     Website & Marketing
[20:02] <charlie-tca>     Artwork
[20:02] <charlie-tca>     Documentation
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Announcements - Project Lead
[20:02] <charlie-tca>     TeamReports need to be updated
[20:02] <charlie-tca>         https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Governance structure - all
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Any Other Business - all/anyone
[20:02] <charlie-tca> First Item: email the ML with proposed meeting days and times, Mon, Tues only for days
[20:02] <charlie-tca> that isn't right.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> We can not hold meetings on Tuesday or Wednesday
[20:03] <charlie-tca> I suppose the easiest solution to it would be to hold every other meeting on Sunday?
[20:03] <charlie-tca> All opposed?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> comments as to best time?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> by the silence, do we assume any time is fine for everybody?
[20:05] <micahg> I'm pretty open on Sunday
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Okay, proposed:  Hold the meetings on Mondays at 19:-00 and Sunday at 22:00 alternating weeks?
[20:06] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: will that be too late for you?
[20:06] <charlie-tca> I am hoping for maximum participation if we get times that anyone interested can attend
[20:06] <mr_pouit> no, it'll be okay
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Any objections?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> motion passed by majority silence; Next weeks meeting will be Sunday at 22:00 UTC
[20:07] <charlie-tca> next item -   knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing - carried forward
[20:08] <charlie-tca> knome: Have you had a chance to think on this?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Marketing plays a key role in almost every aspect of a distribution, so this is an important item for us.
[20:08] <charlie-tca> We need to get more people than me and knome involved in marketing, please?
[20:09] <drc> Define "marketing"
[20:09] <drc> please")
[20:09] <charlie-tca> This includes news releases, blogs, release parties,
[20:09] <holstein> is there a marketing team? or wiki page?
[20:10] <charlie-tca> anything we can do to promote Xubuntu, including maybe open week, developer week, etc.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing
[20:11]  * holstein bookmarking
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Team updates - Team Leads
[20:11] <charlie-tca>      Packaging & Development
[20:11] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: updates?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> hm, silence is not GOLDEN today
[20:12] <mr_pouit> a few syncs/merges by me, for the main work: almost all panel plugins synced thanks to micahg ;-)
[20:12] <mr_pouit> sorry, laggy wifi
[20:13] <charlie-tca> I hate those lags
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Anything we can do about xfce4-notifyd : Conflicts: notification-daemon so we can get the alpha1 images to work?
[20:14] <mr_pouit> something is pulling notification-daemon, but I didn't really investigate what
[20:14] <micahg> I think we're pulling in the GNOME stack again
[20:14] <mr_pouit> probably a new dep since natty, because it was fine at that time
[20:14] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:14] <mr_pouit> yeah, very likely
[20:15] <charlie-tca> we have alpha1 this thursday, so if we can fix this, we get an image. At least go for the alternate image this time
[20:15] <charlie-tca> desktop images look bad for everybody today
[20:15] <micahg> can we switch to lightdm or is that too crazy to change?
[20:15] <micahg> that should get rid of some of the deps
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu already has, haven't they?
[20:15] <micahg> no, blocked on MIR, that doesn't affect us
[20:16] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: what do we need to do to switch from gdm to lightdm?
[20:16] <mr_pouit> that it works ;p
[20:17] <micahg> it does, the sample greeter is good enough to log in with
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Can t test it until we have a working image
[20:17] <mr_pouit> (I've heard bad things from a pkg-xfce debian maintainer who has tested it, not sure it was the latest release ;-)
[20:17] <micahg> well, I have had 0.3.5 logging into xubuntu on oneiric w/out issue
[20:17] <mr_pouit> okay, then I guess it's fine
[20:18] <micahg> can't speak to working on an image though
[20:18] <mr_pouit> no pam/ck/pk issue?
[20:18] <micahg> wfm, shows a user list, but so does gdm by default
[20:18] <mr_pouit> eh, lag again >.<
[20:18] <micahg> I haven't stress tested it yet
[20:19] <charlie-tca> It is not forcing you to start gnome-keyring or anything?
[20:19] <micahg> once I login, it uses gnome-keyring
[20:20] <charlie-tca> If mr_pouit is okay with it, I am willing to fight with it too. It will help us get the bugs out of it.
[20:21] <micahg> oh, can we kick parole out of recommends?
[20:22] <mr_pouit> yeah, we should definitely switch to lightdm, but before alpha1, that's seems a bit difficult
[20:22] <charlie-tca> where do I find the seeds for Xubuntu? I need to know that too
[20:22] <charlie-tca> micahg: How about we switch right after alpha1 then, since we need to make an image work real soon like.
[20:23] <charlie-tca> hm, my lag just went up to 1 second
[20:23] <micahg> that's fine with me, I just don't remember what was pulling in unity
[20:23] <mr_pouit> micahg: it's the default "media" player after all (gmusicbrowser is only for music collections)
[20:24] <micahg> mr_pouit: orly?  I thought gmusicbrowser was supposed to do it all
[20:24] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds, somewhere in code (xubuntu.oneiric)
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Thanks, mr_pouit
[20:24] <charlie-tca> micahg: no, gmusicbrowser can not play a cd
[20:24] <charlie-tca> or a movier, either
[20:24] <micahg> ah, ok, I missed that then
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Isn't parole a movie player?
[20:25] <micahg> charlie-tca: re seeds: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.oneiric
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[20:25] <charlie-tca> so, parole will need to stay
[20:26] <charlie-tca> exaile was replaced by gmusicbrowser, right?
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Moving along in spite of our lags, next topic is Bug Triage & Testing
[20:28] <charlie-tca> I have SouperManito and beardygnome signed up to test starting Tuesday. and I don't show either one here today :-(
[20:29] <charlie-tca> bugs might be getting ahead of us again, but mr_pouit is doing good trying to stay on top of the most serious ones.
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Questions for anything covered so far?
[20:30] <holstein> is there a testing wiki?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> yes, there is
[20:30] <holstein> i plan on running a test install ASAP
[20:30] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing
[20:31] <charlie-tca> I been trying each day to get the alternate images to install.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> The good??? news is Ubuntu and Kubuntu desktop images also fail today :-(
[20:32] <holstein> :/
[20:32] <holstein> its early
[20:32] <charlie-tca> yes, it is, but with that alpha1 on June 2, it should be working today
[20:33] <charlie-tca> That brings us to Artwork
[20:33] <ochosi> right
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Xfce now has a design team starting, which could really be a *big* benefit to us
[20:33] <charlie-tca> go ahead, ochosi
[20:34] <ochosi> sry, people i'm late
[20:34] <ochosi> hope i didn't miss too much important stuff
[20:34] <charlie-tca> looks right on time, to me.
[20:34] <ochosi> so yeah, i started a design initiative in xfce
[20:34] <ochosi> together with JPohlmann
[20:35] <ochosi> it's mostly about optimizing the UI
[20:35] <ochosi> in general anyone can participate, but we haven't announced it yet on the xubuntu mailinglists
[20:35] <ochosi> i think the xfce-guys are enough for a start
[20:35] <ochosi> and then we'll see how it goes
[20:35] <ochosi> other than that i've been experimenting with small improvements to greybird
[20:36] <ochosi> but nothing spectacular yet
[20:36] <ochosi> there is a compact xfwm4 theme now
[20:36] <ochosi> it's not complete yet, but usable
[20:36] <ochosi> it's only 18px high, for those who want to save on vertical pixels
[20:36] <ochosi> about the xfce design stuff
[20:36] <ochosi> you're welcome to participate
[20:36] <ochosi> wiki page is here: https://wiki.xfce.org/design/start
[20:37] <charlie-tca> I think any optimizations upstream are going to benefit us, and might even mean less work at our level.
[20:37] <ochosi> and feel free to contact me or jannis in #xfce-dev
[20:37] <ochosi> yes, the kind of changes we're planning (and doing) should really happen upstream
[20:38] <charlie-tca> Any changes for greybird that we should be aware of?
[20:38] <ochosi> not really
[20:39] <ochosi> at least not at the moment
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Any questions about artwork or upstream design?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> Comments about anything discussed so far?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> Announcements
[20:42] <charlie-tca> TeamReports need to be updated - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[20:43] <charlie-tca> This is the end of May, please feel free to add whatever you are doing for Xubuntu to this report.
[20:43] <charlie-tca> Alpha1 will be oversized, please don't report bugs about that
[20:44] <charlie-tca> The next linux kernel will be called linux 3.0.0 instead of 2.6.40
[20:44] <micahg> charlie-tca: actually, just 3.0 :)
[20:45] <mr_pouit> huhu
[20:45] <charlie-tca> We do have a support channel for spanish support, that is not included in the !es factoid
[20:45] <charlie-tca> It is #xubuntu-es, and feel free to direct those requiring support to it.
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Dapper Drake is EOL on June 1. Doesn't really affect us, but will affect those running a server with it.
[20:46] <micahg> \o/
[20:46] <charlie-tca> We are seeing an increase in users in #xubuntu. Let's try to
[20:47] <charlie-tca> give them the best support we can. I know we are doing that already, and it really is great to see!
[20:47] <ochosi> mr_pouit: what are the chances we get the thunar startup-lag-fix in natty?
[20:48] <mr_pouit> there's no fix currently
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Governance structure
[20:49] <charlie-tca> At this time, until we have more participation, I do not see us trying to set up a governing council. I think I said that a couple of months ago, but want to make sure it is known.,
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I will be adding to the Stradegy Document how to select a new Project Lead by vote, though.
[20:50] <charlie-tca> hm, there's that marketing thing again. increase participation in Xubuntu
[20:50] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i thought there's one in git?
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Thunar 1.2.2 was supposed to have the fix, I think
[20:52] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i meant that: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/commit/?id=5ce61f48171c9b95e8b89e0d2c53a7bfbeb9ac93
[20:52] <mr_pouit> ochosi: it's still not ideal, check xfce bug 7373, that was reopened
[20:52] <mr_pouit> ubottu: no, not that one
[20:52] <ochosi> oh, ok, i didn't notice it was re-opened
[20:53] <charlie-tca> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7373
[20:55] <charlie-tca> Any Other Business - Anyone
[20:55] <charlie-tca> Any one have anything to bring up? This is like an open mic time
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for attending this meeting. Next meeting will be Sunday June 5 at 22:00 UTC.
[20:57] <charlie-tca> LEe
[20:58] <micahg> for open mic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Oh, before I forget, apps for Oneiric?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Do we need further discussion on what is going into it?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> I want applications decided as early as possible
[20:58] <ochosi> micahg: this is not office-save :)
[20:59] <charlie-tca> someone want to go ahead and email the ML to get the applications picked?
[21:00] <charlie-tca> or are we all happy with what we have in natty and won't change anything except gdm to lightdm?
[21:00] <micahg> +1 I think
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Great!
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Glad we got a h
[21:00] <charlie-tca> happy bunch of people here.
[21:01] <charlie-tca> let's test this week!
[21:01] <Unit193> Would we be able to add pastebinit?
[21:01] <micahg> mr_pouit: BTW, you can drop the browser plugin from parole as a recommends, Debian dropped and and so did we when I sync'd it
[21:01] <charlie-tca> Unit193: as a default in a menu?
[21:01] <drc> holstein: You still around?
[21:02] <Unit193> charlie-tca: It's a cli app that's nice for support
[21:02] <holstein> drc: o/
[21:02] <holstein> whats up?
[21:02] <drc> \o/
[21:02] <micahg> mr_pouit: actually, that poses a problem since we don't have a media plugin for the browser anymore :(
[21:02] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : can we add pastebinit as a default installed application without a menu item?
[21:02] <micahg> charlie-tca: sure, I think :)
[21:03] <drc> You were talking about running a install test...was this a daily or periodic install test?
[21:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: although, we might have a space problem, thunderbird and firefox will bulk up this cycle (chrisccoulson is looking on how to slim them down), lightdm should give us some space though
[21:03] <charlie-tca> We have a person in #xubuntu needs help with his installed 11.04 sticking at busybox
[21:04] <charlie-tca> We aren't hurting yet for space, are we?
[21:04] <drc> holstein: You were talking about running a install test...was this a daily or periodic install test?
[21:04] <mr_pouit> yeah,we could add pastebinit if it's useful
[21:05] <holstein> drc: i have selfish motivations
[21:05] <charlie-tca> it is useful, when troubleshooting
[21:05] <holstein> ubuntustudio is moving to XFCE
[21:06] <holstein> and thats why i want to have xubuntu up and running ASAP
[21:06] <holstein> im looking forward to US being able to leech from you guys for a bit ;)
[21:06] <drc> holstein: Yeah, I read that somewhere.
[21:06] <charlie-tca> yes, we should welcome UbuntuStudio over to Xubuntu this cycle!
[21:06] <holstein> and i hope soon we can be of the size team that can contribute back :)
[21:07] <charlie-tca> and any help we can give them will be greatly appreciated, too.
[21:07] <mr_pouit> micahg: don't speak about that, I still don't know why the upstream dev decided to drop it :[
[21:07] <holstein> yeah, we are really excited about the switch
[21:07] <charlie-tca> And this is a good reminder that what we do does affect more than just Xubuntu.
[21:08] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, well if it used mozilla specific interfaces, that would be a good reason, if it was pure NPAPI, no idea
[21:10] <charlie-tca> xfce bug 7373
[21:10] <micahg> \o/
[21:10] <drc> Don't forget about the BusyBox user in #xubuntu (I have no idea how to help him, or I would)
[21:11] <charlie-tca> That's right. mr_pouit has about a two to three minute lag, so I wanted to make sure we didn't miss anything from him before ending
[21:12] <Unit193> It drops to busybox if it can't boot anything else
[21:13] <charlie-tca> He is dropping to busybox every few boots
[21:13] <charlie-tca> If someone could help him out, it would be great
[21:13] <charlie-tca> I know enough to suggest an fsck
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will get these minutes written up asap, and we will see everybody again on Sunday
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Thanks for coming
[21:15] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: thanks for putting with us with that lag of yours.
[21:20] <mr_pouit> yeah, sorry /o\
[21:21] <charlie-tca> np,
[21:21] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:21] <charlie-tca> As long as we know to wait long enough, it works :-)
[23:27] <ochosi> charlie-tca: still around?
[23:28] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:28] <ochosi> i'm considering darkening the panel background a bit in greybird, what do you think about that?
[23:29] <ochosi> (menus would stay the same color)
[23:29] <charlie-tca> I think it will be harder to use
[23:29] <charlie-tca> I will have to go back to clearlooks then
[23:29] <ochosi> in what respect?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> The contrast becomes lower, I think is the words
[23:30] <ochosi> mm, not sure i get what you mean
[23:30] <charlie-tca> but I am not sure. I could not use bluebird for more than an hour or so,
[23:30] <charlie-tca> it was too dark
[23:30] <ochosi> ok
[23:31] <ochosi> would you mind trying what i'm proposing?
[23:31] <charlie-tca> sure, always willing to try
[23:31] <charlie-tca> and sometimes willing to say it is good, for most users, too.
[23:31] <ochosi> k, i'll hack together a new panel.rc and post it for you in a sec
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Okay
[23:33] <charlie-tca> I only seen one or two compaints on greybird so far, but then again, they never complained about bluebird either until greybird came out.
[23:33] <ochosi> what complaints did you see?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> too dark, hard to read the information on it
[23:33] <charlie-tca> which made no sense to me
[23:34] <charlie-tca> and when asked to clarify, they go away
[23:34] <ochosi> hmm
[23:34] <ochosi> ok, that's not really the kind of criticism i'm looking for :)
[23:34] <charlie-tca> I know. But if they refuse to respond when questioned about it, I don't really count it as meaningful.
[23:35] <ochosi> mhm
[23:35] <ochosi> this is the panel.rc
[23:35] <ochosi> http://pastebin.com/pmigKJQg
[23:35] <ochosi> you know what you have to do to use it, right?
[23:35] <charlie-tca> no?
[23:35] <ochosi> k
[23:35] <charlie-tca> explain again, please
[23:36] <ochosi> copy it to /usr/share/greybird/gtk-2.0/apps
[23:36] <ochosi> and then run "xfce4-panel --restart"
[23:36] <charlie-tca> okay
[23:36] <ochosi> that should do the trick
[23:36] <ochosi> awwh, fail
[23:36] <ochosi> copy it to "/usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-2.0/apps
[23:37] <charlie-tca> that sounds right
[23:38] <ochosi> it most likely needs some more tweaking on the prelight and selected colors
[23:38] <ochosi> i mainly focussed on the panel-bg color for now
[23:42] <charlie-tca> looks too dark to me
[23:42] <charlie-tca> weather clouds blank out, timer is invisible again,
[23:42] <ochosi> so the font gets hard to read or what's the problem?
[23:42] <charlie-tca> users will complain that the text is too bright
[23:42] <charlie-tca> no, some of the icons wash out
[23:43] <ochosi> would you mind posting a screenshot?
[23:43] <charlie-tca> for me, the text is bright, but easily readable
[23:43] <ochosi> i can darken the text as well, that's no problem
[23:43] <charlie-tca> I will screenshot the panel
[23:43] <ochosi> k, thanks
[23:44] <ochosi> then it's easier for me to get what you mean :)
[23:46] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/155982
[23:46] <charlie-tca> but the images are brighter than on my screen
[23:46] <charlie-tca> dim the left icon (magnifying glass) and weather and timer bar a lot
[23:47] <charlie-tca> They aren't really brightly visible
[23:47] <ochosi> the magnifying glass is appfinder
[23:48] <ochosi> i think the standard logo for the menu would be ok (it's a lot brighter)
[23:48] <charlie-tca> right, but it is almost faded out in reality
[23:48] <ochosi> yeah, i understand
[23:48] <ochosi> the weather icon is problematic, i agree
[23:48] <charlie-tca> It doesn't work if only some things are visible, though
[23:48] <charlie-tca> users can put anything on the panel
[23:48] <ochosi> hmm, yeah, but they can always put something on the panel that has the same color as the panel
[23:49] <ochosi> and that *never* works
[23:49] <charlie-tca> and the stupid timer Is that black bar between the mixer and the weather
[23:49] <charlie-tca> true
[23:49] <ochosi> yeah, i didn't increase the contrast for the timer
[23:49] <ochosi> the timer is fixable
[23:49] <charlie-tca> okay
[23:49] <ochosi> appfinder is also fixable
[23:49] <ochosi> the main problem would be the weather plugin i guess
[23:49] <charlie-tca> like I say, users will probably like it, if the text is dimmed a bit
[23:50] <ochosi> so the text is too bright now?
[23:50] <charlie-tca> and the selection is darkened
[23:50] <ochosi> mhm, yeah, the selection needs more contrast, i agree
[23:50] <charlie-tca> text is too bright for most people, I think
[23:50] <ochosi> k
[23:50] <charlie-tca> I can't say for sure, I could use it this way, myself.
[23:51] <charlie-tca> It just seems bright to me
[23:51] <ochosi> hmm, i just checked, it's not really white
[23:51] <charlie-tca> let me shoot the bottom panels and see what it does
[23:51] <ochosi> i actually thought it would be FFFFFF, but it's F5F5F5
[23:52] <charlie-tca> my clock is FFFFE0
[23:53] <ochosi> mm, slightly yellowish
[23:54] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/155986
[23:54] <charlie-tca> yes, I find the slight yellow tint easier than white on my eyes
[23:54] <ochosi> i can add a slight blue tint if you like
[23:54] <charlie-tca> My xchat  and terminal is the same
[23:54] <ochosi> i mean to the rest of the panel text
[23:55] <ochosi> ah ok
[23:56] <charlie-tca> It is normally so slight, no one can see the color change
[23:56] <drc> ochosi: you want another panel screenshot?
[23:57] <ochosi> drc: sure, go ahead, but i'm just about to pastebin a newer version ;)
[23:57] <drc> I'll wait
[23:58] <ochosi> charlie-tca, drc: ok, here goes a revised version: http://pastebin.com/nBb01Jkw
[23:58]  * drc was evesdropping :)
[23:58] <charlie-tca> putting it in
[23:59] <ochosi> drc: i'm always happy to get more feedback, so feel free to eavesdrop anytime ;)
[23:59] <drc> The panel text *is* better


[06:04] <brobostigon> morning
[06:04] <MattJ> Good morning
[06:05] <brobostigon> morning
[09:27] <zxmoypi> o/
[09:46] <brobostigon> \o


[02:49] <Xenocide> majoridiot, nother question for you, its endless bro :)
[02:50] <majoridiot> 'sup?
[02:50] <Xenocide> you know how the tv display goes black after awhile at the home menu
[02:50] <Xenocide> in fesity, when it goes black and i hit a button to bring the picture back its all dark like the brightness is helllla down
[02:51] <majoridiot> this is on a standalone setup, right?
[02:51] <majoridiot> no desktop
[02:51] <majoridiot> ?
[02:51] <Xenocide> yes sir
[02:51] <majoridiot> sec... lemme go look at mine.  i just got it fully setup.
[02:55] <majoridiot> mine came back fine
[02:55] <majoridiot> what video card/driver/paint styles?
[02:56] <Xenocide> default paint
[02:56] <Xenocide> ati card :(
[02:56] <Xenocide> remember all my problems lool
[02:56] <majoridiot> QT style?
[02:56] <Xenocide> yup
[02:56] <Xenocide> SO close to ordering nvidia card
[02:56] <Xenocide> its cool
[02:56] <majoridiot> you using the proprietary driver?
[02:56] <Xenocide> yup
[02:57] <Xenocide> remember i told you to add the overlay problems for feisty
[02:57] <Xenocide> to opengl or disable
[02:57] <majoridiot> have you tried openGL paint style instead of QT?
[02:57] <Xenocide> i should try that
[02:57] <Xenocide> thanks
[02:57] <majoridiot> sure... try that
[02:57] <majoridiot> let it time out and see
[02:57] <Xenocide> is a 6200 powerful enough for xVmc
[02:57] <Xenocide> for HD
[02:58] <majoridiot> not sure. lemme look.
[02:59] <majoridiot> doesn't look promising
[02:59] <majoridiot> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC
[03:00] <majoridiot>  NVidia 6200 	 HD 	 Never got working 	 30-70% 	 default 	 default 	 0.19, 0.20 	 Never got XvMXC to work - it dropped every 2nd frame...
[04:05] <Xenocide> majoridiot, trying the opengl right now waiting for it to time out
[04:10] <majoridiot> k
[04:12] <Xenocide> didn't work
[04:12] <majoridiot> hm
[04:13] <majoridiot> sounds driver related.
[04:13] <majoridiot> try googling?
[04:13] <Xenocide> thats my guess
[04:13] <Xenocide> i did no luck so far
[04:29] <Xenocide> blue people bug weee
[04:29] <Xenocide> seriously screw ATI
[04:29] <majoridiot> pretty much
[04:30] <Xenocide> was that 6200 good enough
[04:30] <majoridiot> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC
[04:32] <Xenocide> looks like i might be picking one up
[04:32] <Xenocide> wanna buy an X300SE pci express card? :)
[04:32] <majoridiot> after all i've done for you, you treat me like that?
[04:32] <majoridiot> :P
[04:33] <Xenocide> want a free one?
[04:33] <Xenocide> i don't think you even want that hahahha
[04:33] <majoridiot> LMAO
[04:33] <majoridiot> i was trying to give mine to superm1 the other night
[04:33] <Xenocide> haha
[04:33] <Xenocide> which card do you have
[04:34] <majoridiot> he might wind up with quite a collection
[04:34] <majoridiot> radeon 9600XT somethingorother usless POS
[04:34] <Xenocide> those were nice cards
[04:34] <Xenocide> a few years ago
[04:34] <majoridiot> in windows it was ok for what i needed it for
[04:34] <Xenocide> yea
[04:35] <majoridiot> it's never been anything but a pain in the ass in linux
[04:36] <Xenocide> hm
[04:36] <Xenocide> this xvmc article says some of the cards do not support hd
[04:36] <Xenocide> (with xvmc)
[04:36] <Xenocide> so they just do cpu based hd upscaling
[04:37] <majoridiot> it's a dodgy area
[04:37] <majoridiot> i've never had much luck with xvmc
[04:37] <majoridiot> now i don't need it.  the new box handles HD np.
[04:37] <Xenocide> mine does too
[04:38] <Xenocide> but more load off the cpu = way less heat
[04:38] <Xenocide> i have a pentium 530 in there
[04:38] <Xenocide> 3ghz w/ HT, aka overkill for mythtv
[04:38] <majoridiot> hehe. a litle.
[04:39] <Xenocide> damn hd is 9gb an hour
[04:40] <majoridiot> yup
[04:40] <Xenocide> i don't have a tuner but  hopefully my digital cable box will have firewire
[04:40] <Xenocide> *hd tuner
[04:40] <majoridiot> do you knpw what box they offer?
[04:43] <Xenocide> nope
[04:43] <Xenocide> oh hey fixed the dark screen
[04:43] <Xenocide> turned overlay off in X
[04:44] <majoridiot> how does the video look?
[04:45] <Chadarius> Xenocide: you have comcast?
[04:45] <Xenocide> timewarner
[04:46] <Chadarius> Xenocide: Well that is probably good. Not totally sure about TimeWarner, but Comcast has encrypted everything except for local channels so firewire blows chunks right now
[04:47] <Xenocide> thats the only way i can record HD except for OTA channels, correct?
[04:47] <majoridiot> chadarius: that's against the law
[04:48] <Chadarius> majoridiot: I wish it was but its not. The firewire port works fine if you use it with other devices that can use 5c encryption
[04:49] <majoridiot> not unless they changed the law
[04:49] <Chadarius> majoridiot: But MythTV and a PC is not one of those :(. And won't be until someone breaks federal law and figures out how to create a firewire driver that can do 5c decryption
[04:50] <Chadarius> majoridiot: Yep, but we can emulate a whole PC in software now so hopefully something is in the works
[04:57] <Xenocide> crazy stuff
[05:10] <majoridiot> well... no.  the law has not been changed.
[05:11] <majoridiot> chadarius: 76.1904   Encoding rules for defined business models.
[05:11] <majoridiot> (a) Commercial audiovisual content delivered as unencrypted broadcast television shall not be encoded so as to prevent or limit copying thereof by covered products or, to constrain the resolution of the image when output from a covered product.
[05:11] <majoridiot> (b) Except for a specific determination made by the Commission pursuant to a petition with respect to a defined business model other than unencrypted broadcast television, or an undefined business model subject to the procedures set forth in 76.1906:
[05:11] <majoridiot> (1) Commercial audiovisual content shall not be encoded so as to prevent or limit copying thereof except as follows:
[05:11] <majoridiot> (i) To prevent or limit copying of video-on-demand or pay-per-view transmissions, subject to the requirements of paragraph (b)(2) of this section; and
[05:11] <majoridiot> (ii) To prevent or limit copying, other than first generation of copies, of pay television transmissions, non-premium subscription television, and free conditional access delivery transmissions; and
[05:11] <majoridiot> (2) With respect to any commercial audiovisual content delivered or transmitted in form of a video-on-demand or pay-per-view transmission, a covered entity shall not encode such content so as to prevent a covered product, without further authorization, from pausing such content up to 90 minutes from initial transmission by the covered entity (e.g., frame-by-frame, minute-by-minute, megabyte by megabyte).
[05:13] <majoridiot> that's pretty clear... if you pay for it, you have every right to time shift
[05:13] <majoridiot> and there's no definition of "acceptable" methods.
[05:14] <majoridiot> so vcr, dvr, computer, dvhs or frame by frame with a cellphone is all legal.
[05:16] <Chadarius> majoridiot: Perhaps this section has something to do with us being bent over...Except for a specific determination made by the Commission pursuant to a petition with respect to a defined business model other than unencrypted broadcast television, or an undefined business model subject to the procedures set forth in 76.1906:
[05:16] <majoridiot> there is none on record with the fcc.
[05:16] <Chadarius> majoridiot: Perhaps the Commission has made a specific determination?
[05:16] <majoridiot> (it's a shell game, pal)
[05:17] <majoridiot> determinations must be published... and there are none published.
[05:18] <majoridiot> the sticking point is this:
[05:18] <majoridiot>  (ii) To prevent or limit copying, other than first generation of copies, of pay television transmissions, non-premium subscription television, and free conditional access delivery transmissions; and
[05:18] <majoridiot> recording via firewire is a first generation copy
[05:19] <majoridiot> which they can not prevent
[05:19] <majoridiot> if they insist they can, the onus is theirs to prove it... because it aint on the books as far as i can tell
[05:19] <majoridiot> and i keep on top of this as much as possible
[05:20] <majoridiot> chadarius: call dick durbin's office and ask them to look into it.
[05:20] <majoridiot> ;)
[05:22] <Chadarius> Yeah I will
[05:23] <majoridiot> the only "computer" limitation in the statute is specifically internet-based or via cable modem.  thaz it.
[06:11] <Xenocide> what is the key for the guide again?
[12:16] <superm1> majoridiot, take a look at some of this recording that i got sent
[12:17] <superm1> guess what you think the cause of the troubles was
[12:17] <superm1> wow i have an awesome upload speed to you.  750kb/s???
[12:20] <majoridiot> :)
[12:20] <majoridiot> i get 1250 from your repo most times
[12:22] <majoridiot> wow.  what was this recorded with?
[12:23] <superm1> pvr-***


[00:04] <jk^> hi all, i opened "Disks" and it tells me my pendrive have 19 GB of free space. I have to put into it 18 GB, but to avoid a unsuccessful operation, i just copy/past to that pendrive 16 GB of data. Now i'd have 3 GB of free space, but now the app "Disks" tells me there is just 1,1 GB :\ so i can't copy/paste the other 2 GB of data :\ why?
[02:27] <Yogesh> okay
[02:28] <Yogesh> hello?
[02:28] <Yogesh> is anyone here to to help me?
[02:33] <lynorian> !anyone
[02:34] <Yogesh> yes
[02:34] <Yogesh> can you help me bro?
[02:36]  * lynorian is not a bro
[02:36] <lynorian> but I don't know what your problem is