   My chair called me fat.  :(   :: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ed36fa1ab6/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-steve-carell?playlist=135161
[07:37] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:38] <aptanet> o/
[07:57] <AlanBell> o/
[08:45] <jacobw> morning
[08:45] <daubers> Morning
[08:50] <popey> morning
[08:51] <jacobw> does anyone use skype manager company directory?
[09:07] <daubers> jacobw: skype what what?
[09:08] <diplo> Morning all
[09:08] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[09:10] <jacobw> daubers: it's a shared roster for skype
[09:10] <BigRedS> I've only just heard of it and already I feel sorry for you
[09:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:19] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[10:16] <mungbean> guys, hwo can i fix a problem with ssh -X where the gui isn't display over ssh X forwarding?
[10:16] <mungbean> connect /tmp/.X11-unix/X0: No such file or directory
[10:16] <mungbean> X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[10:30] <dwatkins> mungbean: is it enabled on the server?
[10:30] <mungbean> yes
[10:30] <mungbean> x forwarding allowed
[10:30] <dwatkins> X11Forwarding yes
[10:31] <mungbean> uyep
[10:31] <dwatkins> in /etc/ssh/ssd_config
[10:31] <mungbean> yesh
[10:31] <mungbean> works on other hosts
[10:31] <mungbean> am running X server on the client
[10:32] <dwatkins> sorry, dunno, perhaps move ~/.ssh to one side on the affected client.
[10:32] <dwatkins> Got a meeting, back later; good luck
[10:55] <Laney> the sriracha came \o/
[10:55] <Laney> it's pretty warm eh?
[10:55] <popey> \o/
[10:55] <popey> its good with omlette
[10:56] <popey> s/omlette/anything/
[10:56] <Laney> perhaps it'll help me to destroy this cold
[10:57] <popey> box'o'tissues at the ready!
[10:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:57] <Laney> amazon packaged it really weirdly
[10:57] <Laney> stuffed in an envelope that you'd get a dvd in
[10:58] <Laney> so it was bulging and disintegrating
[11:02] <mungbean> hi anyone, any suggestions re my ssh -X problem?
[11:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:32] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[11:51] <mungbean> what's going on with tomby+ubuntu one? did tomboy add the functionality required yet?
[11:55] <popey> not heard anything
[12:34] <redtape-renegade> Just so I know ( on the awesome scale ) .. How Awesome are modern Xeon processors for a new Ubuntu desktop system ??
[12:50] <dwatkins> this awesome [                     ]
[12:53] <redtape-renegade> dwatkins: Authome !!
[12:58] <dwatkins> yesh
[13:14] <redtape-renegade> I dont know how to get rid of a bad libreoffice install on Lubuntu 12.10 .. Here's the pastebin | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567581/
[13:15] <redtape-renegade> How do I get rid of Libreoffice ?? Also sioftware centre doesn't open anymore .. When is Ubuntu 13.04 coming out so I can Upgrade ??
[13:16] <popey> redtape-renegade: sudo apt-get install libreoffice-base-core --reinstall
[13:16] <redtape-renegade> thanx
[13:16] <redtape-renegade> yeah I get exactly the same result :(
[13:17] <redtape-renegade> do you want me to pastebin the result ? Siorry I know this is a bit much too ask .. :(
[13:17] <popey> redtape-renegade: apt-cache policy libreoffice-base-core
[13:17] <redtape-renegade> ok ..
[13:19] <redtape-renegade> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567593/ no luck .. I think this is something that I cant fix, though...
[13:19] <popey> redtape-renegade: pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list  please
[13:19] <redtape-renegade> ok
[13:28] <mungbean> been checking the mailing lists for tomboy
[13:28] <mungbean> not much progress.
[13:28] <mungbean> big shame
[13:28] <popey> not surprised
[13:31] <mungbean> tomboy+u1 sync was one of my favourite apps
[13:31] <popey> ditto
[13:31] <ali1234> you can't really blame them
[13:31] <redtape-renegade> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567612/  Sorry if my pastebining is not up-to to scratch ..
[13:31] <ali1234> u1 seems to be permanent beta
[13:31] <mungbean> i guess i don't need mono anymore then
[13:32] <popey> redtape-renegade: thats not what I was after
[13:32] <popey> redtape-renegade: the file /etc/apt/sources.list, not the contents of files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:32] <redtape-renegade> oh sorry .. how do I do it then ?
[13:32] <popey> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:33] <popey> and then paste that into paste.ubuntu.com
[13:33] <popey> or if you have pastebinit installed "pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:33] <redtape-renegade> ok
[13:33] <mungbean> any opinions on this as a soplution? http://askubuntu.com/questions/51095/how-can-i-sync-gnote-notes
[13:34] <redtape-renegade> popey, It wont let me even install gedit ?? .. I think my system is foobar ..
[13:35] <popey> no no, sorry..
[13:35] <popey> i assumed you had gedit, but you're lubuntu, hang on
[13:35] <popey> just open a terminal and "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[13:35] <popey> then select it all and paste it into paste.ubuntu.com
[13:35] <sagaci> leafpad
[13:36] <redtape-renegade> ok got it hangon..
[13:37] <popey> sagaci: thanks
[13:37] <redtape-renegade> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567632/  Thanx.
[13:40] <popey> you upgraded to raring?
[13:40] <redtape-renegade> have I ?
[13:41] <popey> well you have raring in your sources.list
[13:41] <redtape-renegade> how do i check ?
[13:41] <popey> lsb_release -a
[13:41] <redtape-renegade> ok hangon..
[13:42] <redtape-renegade> says 12./10 .. do you want another pastebin of that ?
[13:42] <redtape-renegade> **12.10
[13:43] <popey> ok, so you probably want to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:43] <popey> sudo leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:43] <popey> and change references to raring back to quantal
[13:44] <popey> and then "sudo apt-get update" "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[13:44] <redtape-renegade> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567641/
[13:44] <popey> which should get you back on track
[13:44] <redtape-renegade> ok will do thank-you popey ...
[13:45] <DJones> popey: Does raring give a 13.04 result for lsb_release -a ? When I looked at a 13.04 install in a vm, it showed 12.10 as did About Ubuntu
[13:45] <popey> Release:	13.04
[13:45] <popey> it did early on
[13:45] <popey> not now
[13:45] <brobostigon> that was funny, on the local bbc news, the monster raving loony party, eastleigh candidate was shown, i couldnt help but laugh.
[13:45] <DJones> That explains it
[13:47] <ali1234> popey: do you have /opt/qt5 ?
[13:47]  * redtape-renegade is in too deep .. & cant see the woods for the trees with " sudo leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list " then change all the references to " quantal " .. I think I'll just die quietly now ..
[13:47] <popey> ali1234: yes
[13:47] <popey> redtape-renegade: search and replace, most editors have that
[13:47] <ali1234> hmm. for me, qmlscene segfaults unless i move /opt/qt5 somewhere else
[13:48] <redtape-renegade> oh ok .. thanx..
[13:48] <popey> erk
[13:48] <ali1234> but it only segfaults when using Ubuntu.Components
[13:49] <ali1234> i'm gooing to reinstall :(
[13:49] <ali1234> was hoping to wait until raring is released but oh well
[13:50] <popey> oh, full OS reinstall?
[13:50] <popey> erk
[13:50] <ali1234> yes
[13:50] <ali1234> no other choice
[13:50] <ali1234> PPAs have ruined my system
[13:50] <popey> i try to avoid that by purging PPAs and reinstalling base packages
[13:50] <ali1234> i did purge them
[13:50] <popey> sudo apt-get install package/raring
[13:50] <ali1234> it didn't help
[13:50] <popey> etc
[13:50] <popey> so it downgrades things
[13:51] <ali1234> apt-get wants me to autoremove nvidia-common
[14:00] <redtape-renegade> ok seems to have worked .. thanx popey .. I'm rebooting ...
[14:02] <bigcalm> cx
[14:03] <bigcalm> Thanks kittah
[14:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahahaha that's a cat saying "I am the cat you're looking for........Fuss me............Fuss Me now........................You may go about your business move along......move along"
[14:05] <bigcalm> davmor2: pretty much
[14:05] <popey> my cats have left the room ☹
[14:06] <bigcalm> Mine has just upped and left due to lack of pettings
[14:06] <davmor2> popey: it a hint to stop eating sprouts ;)
[14:09] <bigcalm> Thunderbird isn't remembering window size or location upon restart. Is there a fix for that?
[14:10] <popey> not that I'm aware of
[14:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: restart of the machine or restart of Thunderbird
[14:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: restart of Thunderbird
[14:10] <bigcalm> So restart of machine as well :)
[14:11] <bigcalm> I don't mind so much about location, it's more the size that's bugging me
[14:11] <brobostigon> is there something like pastebin, but for images insted ?
[14:12] <brobostigon> pastebinit, i mean.
[14:12] <ali1234> sadly, no
[14:12] <brobostigon> ok, ohwell.
[14:13] <popey> yes there is
[14:13] <ali1234> shutter can do it from a gui
[14:13]  * popey tries to remember what it's called
[14:13] <ali1234> but that kind of defeats the purpose
[14:13] <popey> picpaste?
[14:13] <popey> nah, can't remember
[14:13] <ali1234> that is a website
[14:13] <davmor2> brobostigon: just use u1 and share the link
[14:13] <ali1234> like imagebin
[14:14] <ali1234> davmor2: how to do that from command line?
[14:15] <brobostigon> davmor2: i dont think that will work, it is my raspberry pi, acting as a camera server, hence i was asking for a terminal solution, hence mentioning pastebinit.
[14:16] <redtape-renegade> popey.. It worked .. Who do i give the paypal check to ?
[14:16] <davmor2> brobostigon: ah sorry, have a look at pastebinit and see if it has an image setting
[14:17] <davmor2> brobostigon: as far as I knew it did cover different urls for pasting
[14:18] <ali1234> pastebinit doesn't do images afaik but it may ormay not be easy to add
[14:19] <brobostigon> thats what i thought,
[14:40] <redtape-renegade> How do I open " jockey-gtk " please ?
[14:40] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: Alt + F2 and then type jockey-gtk and hit enter
[14:41] <redtape-renegade> says there is no such directory .. even though I know it is installed (??)
[14:41] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: In 12.10 you can hit the Super key (Windows key) and type software sources and load that app and then you can find the additional drivers app in a tab on that window
[14:42] <redtape-renegade> I'm in Lubuntu but I have soft sources open ..
[14:43] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: Is there a tab called additional drivers or something similar?
[14:43] <redtape-renegade> It just says there are no additional drivers in use .. with no other options ..
[14:43] <redtape-renegade> do you want screenshot ?
[14:44] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: That's weird, it usually shows a list of proprietary drivers available to you. What drivers are you trying to install?
[14:44] <redtape-renegade> I cant do wifi .. there aren't any aditional drivers installed .. so i guess all that I can poss. get..
[14:44] <DJones> redtape-renegade: jockey-gtk doesn't do anything in 12.10 its been included in Software Sources and there is an Additional drivers tab
[14:45] <redtape-renegade> right I'll do a screenshot .. hangon ..
[14:48] <redtape-renegade> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Additional%20drivers%20screenshot%2026th%20Feb%202013.png
[14:50] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: Might be of some use to you - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[14:50] <redtape-renegade> opening...
[14:51] <kvarley> If this is for a laptop, searching online for ubuntu + name of laptop + wifi might yield some results on the ubuntuforums
[14:57] <redtape-renegade> kvarley: There doesn't seem to be anything relevant on the forums or askubuntru .. I'm wondering why it says that I am connected when I'm not even configured yet ?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567823/
[14:58] <redtape-renegade> Sorry if this taking up too much time for people ..
[15:11] <redtape-renegade> I tried " sudo apt-get install ndisgtk " but it cant find the package .. ??
[15:12]  * redtape-renegade has a break .. BRBack ..
[15:12] <directhex> !rmadison ndisgtk
[15:12] <directhex> hmph
[15:12] <directhex> !info ndisgtk
[15:12] <popey> eww
[15:12] <directhex> yeah, i know
[15:12] <ali1234> you don; use those any more
[15:12] <directhex> what is this, 2003?
[15:13] <ali1234> redtape-renegade: run software-properties-gtk and go to last tab (additional drivers)
[15:13] <ali1234> if there's nothing in that... well, i guess there are no proprietary drivers available for your hardware?
[15:14] <ali1234> it certainly look like it is already working in your paste
[15:14] <directhex> which wifi chips have no linux drivers at all, in 2013?
[15:14] <ali1234> none
[15:15] <popey> redtape-renegade: run "lspci" and "nm-tool" and pastebin the output pls
[15:15] <ali1234> also dmesg
[15:15] <ali1234> always dmesg
[15:15] <ali1234> it might be missing a firmware only or something
[15:15] <ali1234> but if it says it is working i wonder why you're even worrying about it...
[15:16] <redtape-renegade> Well everything is ticked to tell me and theres nothing in Additional proprietory drivers tab .. I have a Samsung N135 .. and the N140 is listed as having them :: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:Samsung
[15:16] <redtape-renegade> ok popey.
[15:18] <redtape-renegade> results .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567859/
[15:20] <redtape-renegade> be nice to install pastebin too .. I'll have a look ..
[15:22] <popey> your wifi and wired are fully supported
[15:22] <popey> and working
[15:23] <popey> i can see 3 access points on that list
[15:23] <redtape-renegade> how do i use them then ?
[15:25] <redtape-renegade> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Wifi%20useage%20access.png
[15:25] <redtape-renegade> I'm losty as how I log onto them ??
[15:25] <popey> dont use that dialog
[15:25] <popey> do you have a network manager icon in your panel?
[15:26] <redtape-renegade> oh sorry..
[15:26] <redtape-renegade> no but i may be able to add it .. hang-on..
[15:26] <popey> that dialog is usually used for maintaining connection details _after_ you have successfully connected to an AP at least once
[15:26] <popey> sorry, i dont know lubuntu at all
[15:26] <popey> is there not a network icon in the panel at all that you can single click on to get a list of access points?
[15:28] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[15:28] <popey> pussy cat!
[15:28] <bigcalm> \o/
[15:28] <redtape-renegade> no, or at least it isn't obvious on investigation .. dont worry popey .. you've help me out so much today .. I will ask #lubuntu .. thank-you...:)
[15:28] <bigcalm> popey: white balance could do with a tweak ;)
[15:29] <popey> default on the camera
[15:29] <popey> dunno how to change it
[15:29] <popey> maybe some imagemagick could post-process it?
[15:29] <bigcalm> popey: threaten it with a soldering iron
[15:29] <popey> hah
[15:29] <bigcalm> You could do post processing, aye
[15:29] <mgdm> what are you using to stream it?
[15:30] <mgdm> Last time, I used mjpeg_streamer, which I think has options for WB adjustment
[15:30] <mgdm> it was a while ago
[15:32] <popey> the camera has a built in webserver
[15:32] <bigcalm> I wonder is Sky knows he's being watched
[15:33] <popey> I am just doing a wget on my server to grab a still now and then
[15:34] <bigcalm> I still haven't done anything with my webcam. I don't know if it even works
[15:34] <ali1234> *watching webcam expecting to see cat do a slam dunk*
[15:34] <popey> i did very little with mine
[15:34] <popey> he hears the motor and comes to investigate
[15:35] <popey> gah, nautilus really is properly worse now
[15:35] <directhex> ._. a windows 8 phone.
[15:35] <directhex> http://blogs.seattletimes.com/brierdudley/2013/02/25/new-windows-8-pc-phone-revealed-plus-tablet-and-desktop/
[16:11] <BigRedS> Is there somewhere a repostiory I can point a maverick machine at to get updates?
[16:12] <BigRedS> no, not updates, just new software of the same obsolescence
[16:12] <BigRedS> archive.ubuntu.com seems LTS only
[16:13] <BigRedS> Aha! http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[16:13] <popey> !old-releases
[16:13] <popey> hmm, there must be a factoid for that
[16:13] <popey> !unsupported
[16:13] <popey> pffft
[16:17] <BigRedS> haha, I assumed archive.ubuntu.com and I'm not sure why there's a distinction...
[16:19] <ali1234> BigRedS: i think it's so that you actuallly notice when it stops working
[16:19] <popey> also so it's not mirrored
[16:21] <BigRedS> oh, is archive.ubuntu.com not just old stuff?
[16:22] <BigRedS> ah yeah, the old things are LTSs
[16:22] <popey> and non-LTS
[16:22] <popey> everything is on there
[16:22] <popey> i.e. everything which is now End Of Life
[16:22] <BigRedS> on archive.ubuntu.com? Maverick isn't
[16:23] <BigRedS> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[16:23] <Laney> on old-releases
[16:23] <BigRedS> oh. yeah. I got that earlier
[16:23] <BigRedS> I was wondering why *some* old stuff was on archive.ubuntu.com, but I guess that's 'cause it's old LTSes and they're still supported
[16:24] <Laney> only LTSes that are in support are on there
[16:24] <popey> ya, that
[16:24] <Laney> hardy still is
[16:24] <BigRedS> yeah
[20:04] <awilkins> Is there an easy way to get gvfs 1.15.2 or newer in Quantal?
[20:04]  * awilkins can't believe that they didn't get MTP support in given the position of Google / Android on MTP
[20:05] <bootloader> Greeting Ubuntu people could anyone help me with my QTCreator install problem, the forums were not useful at all.
[20:06]  * awilkins adds Phillip Langdale's MTP backports PPA
[20:07] <awilkins> bootloader, !ask
[20:07] <awilkins> Hmm, the bot is not bahving as expected
[20:08] <awilkins> Don't ask to ask, just ask
[20:08] <AlanBell> !ask | awilkins
[20:09] <dwatkins> ask > bootloader
[20:09] <dwatkins> oops
[20:09] <dwatkins> !ask > bootloader
[20:10] <dwatkins> oh sorry, I probably should have used | so it wrote it here
[20:10] <AlanBell> !botsnack
[20:10] <bootloader> Thanks, ok QTCreator doesn't load from the icon, the command line gives, this qtcreator: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Widgets.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Strace returns a big list of similar errors the one from the command line being the last one.
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> 802.11s is cool!
[20:11] <AlanBell> bootloader: how did you install it?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> if anyone ever needs to set up a wifi mesh using openwrt, ask me :)
[20:11] <AlanBell> can my OLPC join it MartijnVdS?
[20:11] <bootloader> software store
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: if it's 802.11s + SAE, yes
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> (SAE = "Simultaneous Authentication as Equals", basically WPA-PSK for meshes)
[20:12] <AlanBell> bootloader: what version of Ubuntu?
[20:12] <AlanBell> (it works for me on raring)
[20:12] <bootloader> 12.10, just following through the mobile tutorial
[20:13] <AlanBell> bootloader: actually you might be better off asking in #ubuntu-touch, there are probably more people who have been through that process there
[20:13] <bootloader> Ok thanks
[20:22] <amayer> One more day until ubuntu-uk podcast. cant wait!
[20:24] <popey> yay
[20:26] <amayer> its been too long
[21:47] <chrisfxwolf> Hi
[21:49] <chrisfxwolf> oups Xchatgnome colapse
[23:52] <tashs> hey hey


[00:07] <racarr__> :)
[01:33] <RAOF> Uh, why is lp:mir/devel failing 32 tests on my machine?
[01:34]  * RAOF pulls again to see if it's transient.
[01:51] <RAOF> Hm, no...
[03:07] <RAOF> ...something fishy in the build/ directory.
[03:07] <RAOF> Bah.
[05:49] <RAOF> Bah. *Why* can't you find a vtable, damnit?
[05:54] <RAOF> Oh, because the destructor definition is missing.
[05:54] <RAOF> Good job, error message!
[09:00] <alan_g> alf_: (if you're about) do you have headspace to help me think through bug 1317370?
[09:01] <alf_> alan_g: sure
[09:01] <alan_g> I've slightly rewritten BufferQueue::compositor_release() and instrumented the test...
[09:02] <alan_g> What is happening is in the path current_compositor_buffer == buffer.get() && ready_to_composite_queue.empty()
[09:03] <alan_g> If we don't release the lock and yield() then we see the slowdown
[09:03] <alan_g> We don't do the slowdown if the test runs on a single core
[09:03] <alan_g> s/do/see/
[09:05] <alan_g> So something is slowing getting a client buffer into the ready queue - or at least making it visible to the compositor thread
[09:05] <alf_> alan_g: does your instrumentation indicate any thread starvation issues?
[09:05] <alan_g> When the slowdown happens the composite thread loops many more times
[09:06] <alan_g> Normal:
[09:06] <alan_g> DEBUG client looping: 0.014147
[09:06] <alan_g> DEBUG server looping: 0.0141657, iterations: 5837
[09:06] <alan_g> Slow:
[09:06] <alan_g> DEBUG client looping: 10.1207
[09:06] <alan_g> DEBUG server looping: 10.1208, iterations: 1922091
[09:08] <alan_g> Here's the rewrite: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7593504/
[09:08] <alan_g> Line 30 is the "fix"
[09:10] <alan_g> Without the fix the *fewer* cores available the better. If I tie half of them up I can get
[09:10] <alan_g> DEBUG client looping: 2.62574
[09:10] <alan_g> DEBUG server looping: 2.62577, iterations: 509508
[09:11] <alan_g> With one I get the "Normal" behaviour
[09:13] <alan_g> I guess the client thread never gets a bite at the BufferQueue mutex - but there is an existing yield() while the compositor has a buffer
[09:14]  * alan_g feels the facts are there and the conclusion will be obvious after it has been stated.
[09:19] <alf_> alan_g: another interesting data point would be how the number of buffers in the queue affects the runtime (the test tries with 2 to 5 buffers)
[09:19] <alan_g> unaffected
[09:20] <alan_g> E.g. (output from each iteration)
[09:20] <alan_g> DEBUG client looping: 8.67461
[09:20] <alan_g> DEBUG server looping: 8.67464, iterations: 1657258
[09:20] <alan_g> DEBUG client looping: 10.1207
[09:20] <alan_g> DEBUG server looping: 10.1208, iterations: 1922091
[09:20] <alan_g> DEBUG client looping: 7.21194
[09:20] <alan_g> DEBUG server looping: 7.21197, iterations: 1391499
[09:20] <alan_g> DEBUG client looping: 9.53182
[09:20] <alan_g> DEBUG server looping: 9.53185, iterations: 1840078
[09:31] <alan_g> Hmm. The problem scenario is when pending_client_notifications.empty() - I mis-thought that a pending notification would be the problem.
[10:00] <alf_> alan_g: another data point: in my runs the primary cause of delay is waiting for client_buffer_guard at the end of the "for (int i = 0; i < 1000; ++i)" loop
[10:00] <alan_g> alf_: the time is spent in contention over client_buffer_guard - the "compositor" keeps grabbing it while compositing the same buffer
[10:00] <alan_g> snap!
[10:02] <alan_g> alf_: thanks. I now understand what is wrong. Just need a valid test that doesn't have this issue
[10:03] <alan_g> alf_: One last question: do you find the original BufferQueue::compositor_release() logic clearer or my rewrite?
[10:13] <alf_> alan_g: I think the flow is a bit more straightforward in the original, i.e., if (can_and_should_replace_current) { do replace } if (should_release) { do release }
[10:14] <alan_g> alf_: OK, I'll leave it alone
[19:16] <kgunn> Saviq: if you're on, we had to rebuild/retest mir due to earlier mess up with ci train and papi2.0
[19:16] <kgunn> but with hardly any change to our silo we're seeing lots of failures, is this expected? (due to "Define XDG_*_DIRS so that autopilot tests don't have to (and thus caused failures in unity8 autopilot)"
[19:17] <Saviq> kgunn, fix for that just landed
[19:17] <Saviq> kgunn, upgrade ubuntu-touch-session and reboot
[19:17] <kgunn> thanks
[19:17] <kgunn> AlbertA: anpok_ camako ^
[19:18] <kgunn> rather than dist-upgrdae
[19:18] <camako> kgunn, ack
[19:18] <ogra_> Saviq, its still in proposed
[19:19] <Saviq> ogra_, huh?
[19:19] <ogra_> oh, i'm lying ... migrated this second
[19:19]  * ogra_ starts an image build
[19:19] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, I just cleared the silo :)
[19:19] <Saviq> ogra_, says 25 minutes ago, not this second ;)
[19:20] <ogra_> Saviq, argh
[19:20] <ogra_> you wiped it
[19:20] <ogra_> Saviq, its gone from proposed
[19:20] <Saviq> ogra_, wdym? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-session
[19:21] <Saviq> ogra_, if anything, the train let me do something wrong
[19:21] <Saviq> ogra_, having first informed me that I could
[19:21] <ogra_> Saviq, if you clean before it moved from proposed (which it had not) then it vanishes
[19:21] <Saviq> ogra_, wha? LP says it's there...
[19:22] <Saviq> ogra_, train doesn't let you merge+clean unless it's in the destination
[19:22] <Saviq> ogra_, I didn't "wipe_only"
[19:22] <ogra_> Saviq, seems rmadison had a hiccup or something
[19:22] <ogra_> never trust LP
[19:22] <Saviq> ogra_, https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-002-3-merge-clean/7/parameters/
[19:23] <ogra_> the LP page tells you it migrated before it actually did
[19:23] <Saviq> ogra_, tell the train that :|
[19:23] <ogra_> that uses rmadison i hope
[19:23] <ogra_> anyway, triggering a build ... 69 should be ready in ~1.5h with the fix
[19:24] <camako> kgunn ^^
[19:25] <kgunn> wow
[19:27] <camako> kgunn, I'm just gonna test pre-0.2.0 (without unity8 fix)
[19:27] <camako> we should get the same failures
[19:27] <kgunn> camako: ack
[19:28] <kgunn> ogra_: i think i have a new theme song for ci-train
[19:28] <kgunn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MLp7YNTznE
[19:29] <ogra_> kgunn, sadly blocked in germany :P
[19:29] <kgunn> Ozzy Osbourne "Crazy Train"
[19:30]  * ogra_ humms along
[19:30] <ogra_> :)
[19:30] <kgunn> lol
[19:30] <kgunn> me too
[19:30] <kgunn> "its crazy,  but that's how it goes"
[19:30] <ogra_> yeah
[19:32] <AlbertA> lol...
[19:33] <AlbertA> "Im going off the rails on a crazy train"
[19:40] <anpok_> Saviq: thx
[20:38] <fginther> josharenson, what is needed to run the glmark2 tests on a freshly flashed touch image?
[20:38] <josharenson> fginther 1 min. making a pastebin
[20:38] <fginther> thx
[20:40] <josharenson> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7597245/
[20:40] <josharenson> fginther ^
[20:41] <fginther> josharenson, thx
[22:09] <fginther> josharenson, do you know what package provides mir_performance_tests?
[22:11] <josharenson> its part of the mir test suite
[22:11] <josharenson> fginther ^
[22:11] <fginther> josharenson, thx
[23:03] <racarr__> :) Got some new fake event hub capabilities
[23:03] <racarr__> synthetic touchscreens of various configurations
[23:47] <AlbertA> anpok: yeah you were right the osk top letters was alpha^2 issue


[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <freeroute> hi BluesKaj
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hi freeroute
[13:56] <Alpha256> Hi, I upgraded to from vivid to Wily Beta2 -- I have a problem with installing 'aptitude' though --  aptitude : Depends: libxapian22v5 but it is not going to be installed
[13:58] <Alpha256> It seems that I have libxapian22 installed.  If I try to force install libxapian22v5 apt proposes to remove kubuntu-desktop....
[14:04] <Alpha256> In fact, there are more packages that are held back by this: akregator baloo-utils kaddressbook knotes kontact korganizer libbaloofiles4 libbaloopim4 libbalooxapian4 libqgpgme1 python-xapian synaptic
[14:04] <Alpha256> Any ideas on how to resolve this ?
[14:05] <Alpha256> Aptitude could probably help a bit more, but I can't install it for the same reason...
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Alpha256:  dist-upgrade will install the held packages
[14:07] <BluesKaj> use apt or apt-get aptitude is getting old
[14:07] <k1l> "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" in a pastebin could give some clue
[14:08] <k1l> and aptitude is somewhat abandonded after several issues, iirc
[14:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, aptitude old , but it's still supported
[14:09] <BluesKaj> is old
[14:10] <Alpha256> dist-upgrade did not help in this case. I made some progress with apt remove libxapian22 (which took kubuntu-desktop); install libxapian22v5 kubuntu-desktop
[14:12] <BluesKaj> odd usually apt dist-upgrade will install held packages, unless there are dependency problems
[14:13] <BluesKaj> I have seldom used full-upgrade , and my packages are all up to date
[14:18] <k1l> BluesKaj: apt is the new apt-get
[14:19] <k1l> dist-upgrade was misleading to making a release upgrade, so some users avoid that. apt now calls it full-upgrade
[14:22] <BluesKaj> k1l:  yeah, Ive been using apt for a while now
[14:23] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade use to be the command to upgrade to a new release, I remember using it many times
[14:24] <k1l> BluesKaj: well, apt-get was used differently in the old days. now we have do-release-upgrade and the gui programs.
[14:24] <k1l> iirc debian is still using "fiddeling with the sources.list and running dist-upgrade" to upgrade
[14:28] <BluesKaj> reverted  jessie for a while after plasma5/kf5 was mucking things up at it's beginning alpha release on kubuntu, but i didn't notice much difference with apt dist-upgrade
[14:34] <Alpha256> ok, I've got it resolved... It turned out aptitude resolved it ... I had to actually downgrade some packages that I still had lingering around from a CI ppa
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Alpha256:  comment the ppas in the sources.list or remove it , it will continue to cause problems otherwise
[14:37] <k1l> !ppapurge
[14:37] <BluesKaj> or remoce it from /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:37] <BluesKaj> remove
[15:25] <Troubadour> Hi there was a call for iso testing Ubuntu Studio 15:10, so I am trying (first time). I just installed Ubuntu studio Wily (daily build yesterday) in a Virtualbox. The recommended 8G storage was too small, 10G did it. What is the best way to report. (I get lost in the QA tracker website)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> Troubadour:  which chat called for the testing of Ubuntu Studio 15:10?  perhaps #ubuntu-devel ?
[15:42] <Troubadour> No, it was in the ubuntustudio mailing lists
[15:45] <Troubadour> I also said this in #ubuntu-devel, I am getting some help there. Thx anyway
[15:45] <Troubadour> I mean #ubuntustudio-devel
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Troubadour:  right
[16:03] <goddard> i'm having an issues on wily werewolf but it is never registered as a bug.  Basically the laptop will wake from suspend properly, but then go back into a suspend mode at  │ bdmurray
[16:03] <goddard>                  | random intervals.  I have to wake it up by pressing a button on my keyboard and then it will wake up.  Shortly after that it will go into suspend on its own again.  It    │ beisner
[16:03] <goddard>                  | does this over and over again unless I reboot.y
[16:51] <goddard> anyone home?
[17:58] <goddard> la la la
[17:59] <goddard> i don't think unstable versions of Ubuntu will "Break your computer" btw
[17:59] <goddard> might break the operating system and make the computer unusable
[17:59] <goddard> without reinstall
[22:13] <tsimonq2> goddard: figure of speech ;)
[22:38] <goddard> tsimonq2: gotcha now help me with my bug :D
[22:43]  * tsimonq2 backs off


[00:00] <infinity> ^--- The eglibc upload I promised, superseding the earlier security upload with a couple more fixes, the SRU version of the same will follow later today.
[00:06] <Daviey> infinity: can you follow up with bug 997978 please?
[00:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 997978 in qemu-kvm "KVM images lose connectivity with bridged network" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/997978
[00:06] <Daviey> (people seem confusededed)
[00:22] <infinity> Daviey: Done.  I may just do the re-base on Soren's behalf and upload; it's trivial.
[00:25] <infinity> Daviey: Want to give a quick review of eglibc ubuntu19->ubuntu20 (You can fish 19 out of rejected to do the diff), I already reviewed ubuntu19 and was happy with it, so just need someone to okay my changes in 20.
[00:25] <Daviey> ok
[00:36] <infinity> ^--- Verified that's the same diff as soren's 14.1->14.2, which I already reviewd and (almost) accepted, so accepting this one.
[00:41] <Daviey> infinity: eglibc, I really hate the fact that one of the new patches doesn't have any clear traceability, such as citing it's origin.  But that isn't anything new with that package, by the seems of it.
[00:42] <infinity> Daviey: Oh, none of the cvs patches tend to do that.  I should probably get both us and Debian using a more DEP-friendly patch style.
[00:42] <Daviey> infinity: the thing is, it seems to be a mixture of patches?
[00:42] <Daviey> debfiff, http://pb.daviey.com/5wwT/ .. http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-06/msg00578.html ?
[00:42] <infinity> Daviey: It's 4 commits in one of those patches, and one in another.
[00:43] <Daviey> yeah, the other is well defined with the header
[00:43] <infinity> Daviey: Yeah, maybe I should adjust the headers for verbosity.
[00:44] <Daviey> But it's really hard to review something that is a clump of code, with the comment - "Backport another FMA support patch from glibc master branch"
[00:44] <infinity> Daviey: The FMA one is the one you think it well-defined. :)
[00:44] <Daviey> (normally i wouldn't be looking so closely, but eglibc is something that well, i wouldn't just to wave past.)
[00:45] <infinity> Daviey: I can reupload with a bit of a header on the wordsize one.
[00:46] <infinity> (Just including, but not applying, the bits that would have gone in /ChangeLog)
[00:48] <infinity> Daviey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1259152/ <-- Would this make you happier?
[00:48] <Daviey> infinity: maybe i am just too tired, but the bug points to commit c5bfe3d5ba29d36563f1e4bd4f8d7336093ee6fc , is is totally different to the patch?
[00:49] <Daviey> Oh, i do indeed suck - http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-06/msg00120.html .. bad foo
[00:49] <infinity> Let me just reupload the above patch with the header, since that's likely what I'll want for the SRU too.
[00:50] <Daviey> infinity: sorry if it's seemingly pedantic
[00:51] <infinity> Nope, you're right.  Debian and Ubuntu both need better patch headers in glibc. :P
[00:51] <infinity> Reject away, a new one will be up shortly.
[00:55] <infinity> Daviey: Reuploaded.
[01:09] <infinity> Daviey: All better?
[01:11] <Daviey> infinity: well, i've just validate against upstream VCS, and the touched files haven't been touched since.. So no reversions,  There seemed to be one more commit that added a test?
[01:11] <Daviey> * math/libm-test.inc (cosh_test): Add more tests / http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-06/msg00578.html
[01:12] <infinity> Daviey: We skipped the test in the backport to 2.15 (assuming you're talking about the dbl/ldbl stuff)
[01:12] <infinity> Daviey: http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/release/2.15/master
[01:13] <Daviey> Ok, thanks for being patient.
[01:15] <infinity> Daviey: Spiffy, thanks.  I'd ask you to do the same review on precise for me so I can accept that, but you might hit me. ;)
[01:15] <infinity> Daviey: (precise is the combinatin of the previously-accepted 10.1, the security 10.2, and then the changes you just reviewed are 10.3, so all you'd need to do is verify that 10.3 is indeed that... I guess)
[01:15] <Daviey> infinity: If only you could see my hand right now :)
[01:15] <infinity> The trick is that the security 10.2 didn't include 10.1.
[01:16] <infinity> Daviey: Does it have a reduced finger count?
[01:16] <Daviey> it's counting in binary
[01:16] <infinity> I prefer to look at it from the side and see it as a musical note.
[01:17] <Daviey> heh
[01:18] <Daviey> ogasawara / infinity: I assume you saw linux armhf ftbfs?
[01:20] <infinity> Daviey: Ugh, rly?
[01:21] <infinity> Oh, lovely.  It's ACTUALLY FTBFS, instead of some BS packaging error.
[01:24] <infinity> I guess that gets me out of d-i uploads tonight. :P
[06:58] <slangasek> ^^ there's the uefi shim, with Canonical UEFI CA key embedded
[06:58] <slangasek> cjwatson: ^^
[07:00] <slangasek> hmm, the uploaded changelog is inaccurate though; let me fix that
[07:01] <slangasek> removed && reuploaded
[10:38] <tseliot> hi, can anybody reject nvidia-settings-updates and nvidia-settings in quantal, please?
[10:41] <Laney> tseliot: done
[10:41] <tseliot> Laney: thanks a lot
[11:02] <Daviey> cjwatson: did you just copy eglibc to quantal-release?
[11:03] <Daviey> (it's fine if you did, i just wanted to confirm)
[11:05] <cjwatson> Yes
[11:38] <cjwatson> This is somebody's nag to do some queue review please.  I've got quite a bit stacked up there now which could be using buildd time.
[11:39] <cjwatson> I'm reviewing the nvidia* stuff as best I can at the moment.
[11:39] <Laney> I am already doing it
[11:39] <cjwatson> nvidia?
[11:39] <Laney> no, working from the bottom of queue
[11:39] <cjwatson> OK, great, thanks
[11:52]  * Laney yays at having three ppc buildds again
[11:53] <cjwatson> Yeah, makes a big difference
[12:00] <cjwatson> tjaalton: So, talk to me about this mesa upload - is the rationale that if we're shipping a pre-release snapshot, it might as well be as close to release as possible?
[12:01] <tjaalton> cjwatson: yes, 9.0 will be released next wednesday, but we'll probably sru it
[12:01] <tjaalton> since it's past final freeze?
[12:01] <cjwatson> mm
[12:02] <cjwatson> There are a couple of renamed identifiers in glext.h along with the API additions
[12:02] <tjaalton> checking
[12:02] <cjwatson> GL_TYPE_RGBA_FLOAT_ATI -> GL_RGBA_FLOAT_MODE_ATI and GL_MAX_TRANSFORM_FEEDBACK_INTERLEAVED_ATTRIBS_NV -> GL_MAX_TRANSFORM_FEEDBACK_INTERLEAVED_COMPONENTS_NV
[12:03] <cjwatson> Do you think those are safe?
[12:03] <cjwatson> I'd hate to have to do another test rebuild at this point
[12:03] <cjwatson> Also a few adjustments to some of the function declarations
[12:04] <cjwatson> I think it's mostly OK, just looking for a risk assessment
[12:04] <tjaalton> riht
[12:04] <tjaalton> +g
[12:05] <tjaalton> "upgrade glext.h to version 85", and applied to the stable branches
[12:05] <tjaalton> don't know the history yet
[12:07] <tjaalton> nope, only master and 9.0
[12:13] <cjwatson> Of course it comes pretty much straight off opengl.org, doesn't it
[12:13] <tjaalton> yeah
[12:13] <tjaalton> and don't see anything using it directly, besides mesa
[12:14] <cjwatson> So it's probably pointless to worry about it too much
[12:14] <tjaalton> think so, yes
[12:14] <cjwatson> All right, accepted
[12:14] <tjaalton> cool, thanks
[12:18]  * Laney wonders if popt is going to get a diff
[13:53] <cjwatson> unconvinced by gcc-defaults-armel-cross and gcc-defaults-armhf-cross; asking hrw for clarification on #ubuntu-devel
[15:06] <mdeslaur> ^ libxslt is only security fixes
[15:08] <cjwatson> sure, accepted
[15:09] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: thanks
[16:15] <cjwatson> Right.  So I believe all 28 items in the release pocket queue are currently ones I uploaded.
[16:17] <cjwatson> And I think I need somebody with more desktop clue than me to review the Unity stack in -proposed.
[16:22] <cyphermox> ^^ network-manager-applet includes two extra strings which are marked translatable ("HSPA+", "LTE"), but normally are never translated (and I checked the other similar strings for a few languages, GSM/HSUPA, etc.). Confirmed with dpm too
[16:37] <Laney> gah
[16:38] <seb128> cjwatson, do you have questions or any comment,explanation that could help for the unity stack?
[16:38] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1052513 ← no UIFe
[16:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1052513 in unity-lens-applications "Dash - 'More suggestions' icons are too large" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:38] <seb128> cjwatson, or are you looking for somebody who validated the code diff?
[16:38] <cjwatson> err ... I want somebody else to review it :)
[16:39] <seb128> popey, ^
[16:39] <Laney> i'm looking
[16:39] <cjwatson> seb128: popey isn't in ubuntu-release
[16:39] <Laney> I assume there are screenshots that include those icons though
[16:40] <seb128> cjwatson, no, but he's the one leading the team who is in charge of making sure unity commits don't land if there are not an approved exception bug
[16:40] <seb128> cjwatson, or said differently, he should be handling that UIFe
[16:41] <cjwatson> I think you think I'm asking for something that I'm not asking for
[16:41] <cjwatson> All I'm saying is that I'm disregarding that bit of the queue, as an ubuntu-release member, because I'd rather somebody with a bit more relevant knowledge tackled it
[16:41] <seb128> cjwatson, oh, my "^popey" was pointing to Laney's UIFe exception
[16:41] <cjwatson> ah
[16:41] <seb128> sorry ;-)
[16:41]  * cjwatson goes back to glaring at nvidia-texture-toolkit
[16:42] <cjwatson> I wish people would stop typedeffing standard-looking names
[16:42] <cjwatson> if you want a 64-bit integer type, put it in your own damned namespace
[16:49] <mdeslaur> release team: bug 1061734
[16:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1061734 in webapps-applications "webapps-applications removes package installation prompt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061734
[16:52] <JohnLea_> Laney; hyia, popey just pinged me about bug #1052513  This one should land under the 12.10 Dash exception that was agreed with Online Services.  Also as the request is only to "make all app icons the same size", fixing this bug will not cause any translation or documentation issues.  A user looking at the screen after this bug is fixed, and at the same time looking at the documentation will not be in any confusion.
[16:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1052513 in unity-lens-applications "Dash - 'More suggestions' icons are too large" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1052513
[16:52] <Laney> kenvandine: ^
[16:52] <Laney> JohnLea_: mhr3 tells me that it's not fixed anyway
[16:53] <JohnLea_> Laney;  we need it to be, it's a bad visual regression.  thx, I'll ping mhr3
[16:53] <Laney> well then you'll need to get an exception
[16:55] <Laney> mdeslaur: speak to kenvandine and mvo, but in general feel free to upload a revert
[16:56] <Laney> didrocks: is this everything in proposed?
[16:56] <Laney> oh, there's another one ;-)
[16:57] <didrocks> Laney: miss unity, coming soon
[16:57] <Laney> yeah, that's the one I was looking for
[16:57] <didrocks> once I've fixed the PS integration team packaging…
[16:57] <Laney> did you version the build deps?
[16:57] <didrocks> yeah, I versionned all build-deps
[16:57] <didrocks> so you can accept in the order you want :)
[16:57] <Laney> great
[16:58] <Laney> I'll do that then, but I'll be going out very soon so someone else will likely have to do unity itself
[17:04] <Laney> didrocks: unity-lens-help contains debian patches despite being native
[17:05] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, it's a native app versionning but upstream isn't ready to roll a tarball
[17:06] <Laney> I mean you shouldn't have debian/patches
[17:06] <didrocks> Laney: so, not sure what I had to do as we need to feature politcally-wise
[17:06] <Laney> or you should change the source ofrmat
[17:06] <didrocks> Laney: should I just inline patch?
[17:06] <Laney> yes
[17:06] <didrocks> ok, doing
[17:08] <didrocks> Laney: reuploaded
[17:08] <Laney> thanks a lot
[17:09] <xnox> not sure why pulseaudio got uploaded into proposed....
[17:09] <xnox> the fix is needed to unbreak ubiquity a11y
[17:09] <didrocks> Laney: sorry, I was thinking that it needed to be handled differently :)
[17:09] <didrocks> Laney: ah, what about unity-lens-radios?
[17:10] <Laney> just because there was two in the queue
[17:10] <didrocks> Laney: one doesn't have the build-dep on gir-unity
[17:10] <Laney> yeah I checked
[17:10] <Laney> I rejected the bad one
[17:10] <didrocks> Laney: I thought I rejected the other one myself, but maybe launchpad timeouted
[17:10] <didrocks> thanks :)
[17:12] <seb128> xnox, does it make a difference? it can be pocket copied once it's built
[17:12] <didrocks> Laney: ok, uploading unity now
[17:13] <cjwatson> xnox: Indeed, it *will* be copied once its built
[17:13] <cjwatson> It was uploaded to -proposed to avoid multiarch skew
[17:14] <xnox> I see. Ok. thanks.
[17:14] <xnox> it's needed to bring sound back to ubiquity / desktop-cds
[17:16] <cjwatson> xnox: Feel free to see if David needs any help on figuring out the armhf build failure, then, since that's a blocker for that
[17:16] <cjwatson> (Or maybe that's cosmic rays; here's hoping ...)
[17:16] <xnox> *sigh*
[17:17] <Laney> Lot of those rays around these days ...
[17:22] <Laney> kenvandine: erm
[17:22] <Laney> -         gir1.2-unity-5.0,
[17:22] <Laney> +         gir1.2-unity-5.0 >= 6.8,
[17:22] <Laney> that's not the right control file syntax ...
[17:31] <didrocks> Laney: FYI, I uploaded unity-lens-video to quantal itself because it's doesn't depend on the rest of the stack (I have an additional cherry-pick fix)
[17:34] <Laney> didrocks: I don't even see that in the queue
[17:34] <Laney> unless you did it right now
[17:34] <didrocks> well, 5 minutes ago
[17:35] <Laney> ok, probably somewhere in the tubes
[17:35] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[17:35]  * Laney hits the BFB
[17:35] <Laney> and by that I mean "Enter"
[17:35] <didrocks> Laney: it's in now :)
[17:36] <Laney> what is going on?
[17:37] <Laney> oh, queue is doing prefix matching
[17:37]  * Laney -e -e -e
[17:37] <doko> please could somebody comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomecanvas/+bug/1013211 ? the last upload was rejected
[17:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1013211 in libgnomecanvas "[FFe] Please transition libgnomecanvas to multi-arch" [High,In progress]
[17:46] <kenvandine> Laney, crap... i'll fix
[17:47] <slangasek> cjwatson: new shim uploaded
[17:48] <kenvandine> Laney, re-uploaded :)
[17:49] <Laney> kenvandine: going out right now I'm afraid
[17:49] <Laney> someone else can review for you
[17:49] <infinity> doko: Done.
[17:50] <infinity> doko: If it's sitting in rejected, I can just review it from there.
[17:50] <kenvandine> Laney, no worries, thanks
[17:55] <infinity> doko: Do we know who rejected libgnomecanvas last time?
[17:58] <infinity> cjwatson: Rejected your libgnomecanvas and accepting the previously-rejected upload from stokachu instead.
[18:27] <cjwatson> infinity: Mine was just a no-change rebuild, wasn't it?  Any upload will do.
[18:27] <infinity> cjwatson: Indeed, which is why I went that route.
[18:28] <infinity> cjwatson: Was just poking you so you wouldn't wonder about the REJECT, s'all.
[18:28] <cjwatson> Laney: I'm increasingly tempted to make -e the default.  That was the fault of some Launchpad developer way back when
[18:28] <cjwatson> And it irritated me at the time :-)
[18:42] <hallyn> want to upload an lxc fix for bug 1060404 .  ought i to ask for permission here first ?  (i.e. is this currently a full freeze?)
[18:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1060404 in lxc "update-grub runs and fails in containers" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060404
[18:45] <infinity> hallyn: If it's just a bugfix, no need to ask permission, fire away and we'll review.
[18:46] <hallyn> infinity: thx, firing
[18:49] <skaet> hallyn,  final freeze is next Tuesday.   Important bug fixes welcome until then.   (Kernel and Desktop interface freeze is today at 2100 though.)
[18:49] <hallyn> yikes, that's badd for the netdev refcount bug :)
[18:49] <hallyn> skaet: thanks
[18:51]  * cjwatson hopes apw gets his signed kernels patch in before then :-P
[18:51] <cjwatson> (critical path for secure boot)
[18:52] <skaet> thanks for flagging cjwatson.
[18:52] <apw> cjwatson, i am uploading it as soon as the armhf build which is near completion has published
[18:52] <infinity> cjwatson: It'll be close enough.
[18:53] <infinity> apw: And by "has published", you mean "has been copied to -release and published", I assume?
[18:54] <infinity> apw: If you're pretty sure it'll all work right and dep-wait correctly, you can just upload now.
[18:54] <apw> infinity, if i upload a new source it'll stop the binaries publishing won't it ?
[18:54] <cjwatson> We might need some care if he uploads before the last one's published ...
[18:54] <infinity> apw: Oh, it's a new linux source?  Nevermind.
[18:54] <cjwatson> Yeah
[18:55] <infinity> Fun.
[18:55] <cjwatson> That and then a linux-signed or similar on top
[18:55] <apw> infinity, i really mean, i'll tell you when its done, you'll fix it, and tell me when its safe to upload again :)
[18:55] <cjwatson> (I've reviewed the packaging diff to linux already)
[18:55] <infinity> apw: Upload everything and I'll reject it. ;)
[18:55] <infinity> apw: And rescue from rejected later.
[18:55] <infinity> apw: So you don't have to wait around past your EOD.
[18:55] <apw> infinity, i need the abi files from that binary build to make the next package anyhow
[18:55] <infinity> apw: Oh, there's that.  Fiiiine.  Wait.  See if I care!
[18:56] <apw> i am packing anyhow, for a trip this weekend, so its not the end of the world
[18:57]  * infinity taps his foot.
[18:57]  * cjwatson sees amd64 failures drop below 100 in the test rebuild
[19:00] <cjwatson> We might get to some approximation of vaguely there yet
[19:02] <cjwatson> skaet: desktop infrastructure rather than interface, I thought?
[19:02]  * cjwatson checks
[19:10] <slangasek> cjwatson, jdstrand: btw, can one of you sanity check this shim package for me, just to make absolutely certain I've embedded the right key?
[19:11] <cjwatson> Heh, I wanted to check that but didn't actually have the original to hand
[19:11] <slangasek> heh
[19:12] <slangasek> I *think* I used the right key, and the key I used certainly has a trust chain to the archive-signed grub and efilinux ;)
[19:12] <slangasek> but I'd really like a double check before I submit it to MS
[19:12] <slangasek> jdstrand: ^^
[19:22] <jdstrand> slangasek: where is it?
[19:22] <slangasek> jdstrand: shim source package in quantal
[19:22] <jdstrand> so it is in unapproved?
[19:22] <slangasek> debian/canonical-uefi-ca.der
[19:22] <slangasek> no, it's in the archive
[19:23] <jdstrand> ok, I'll look at it-- it will be a bit though
[19:23] <slangasek> not yet submitted to MS, so if I got the key wrong we just need to replace & reupload
[19:23] <slangasek> ok, thanks
[19:25] <cjwatson> slangasek: Do you know what the MS turnaround time's likely to be?
[19:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: extrapolating from a sample size of one, I'd say "less than 2 business days"
[19:26] <slangasek> once we submit it, which requires IS to go down into the vault and find the machine running IE
[19:28] <cjwatson> OK
[19:29] <slangasek> cjwatson: are there test signed kernel images available anywhere right now?
[19:29] <slangasek> that's the part I didn't get a chance to test before upload
[19:30] <cjwatson> There may be some in ~apw/signing
[19:36] <skaet> cjwatson,  yeah my bad - Desktop Infrastructure Freeze is today.   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopInfrastructureFreeze
[19:41] <xnox> cjwatson: I claim that cosmic rays are not iluminating my flat, as pulseaudio has build successfully for armhf in sbuild locally. Shall I push the retry button on pulseaudio, hoping that the cosmic rays have moved together with the rain god.
[19:42] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, give it a whirl.
[19:43] <infinity> xnox: The worst that happens is it fails again.
[19:45]  * xnox "you spin me right round baby right round" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Bw-QufBPk
[19:45] <infinity> Like a build record, baby?
[19:46] <slangasek> xnox: er, it's disturbing on so many levels that this is the video you came up with for this song
[19:47] <infinity> Oh dear, I didn't click the link.
[19:48] <xnox> "see I don't understand how build number 1 failed, it was just a thing before, I only build twice..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc7W8Q-g9Lg
[19:48] <xnox> =))))))
[19:49] <apw> infinity, ok ... yell when you are happy
[19:50] <infinity> apw: I accepted.  Happiness will occur soonish, after publisher+copy.
[19:50] <slangasek> xnox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M660rjNCH0A
[19:52] <xnox> slangasek: gosh, you've changed a lot since UDS. How did you grow a bear that long that quick?!
[19:52] <xnox> slangasek: wait, since debconf =)
[19:53] <slangasek> xnox: people mistakenly believe that you have to cultivate a greybeard for a long time, but the secret truth is the rate of facial hair growth increases linearly with age
[19:53] <slangasek> so the older you are, the more trivial it becomes
[19:56]  * skaet made the mistake of clicking on the links....
[19:56]  * xnox actually read a peer reviewed academic paper on relationship between shaving and speed of beard growth. There is none, only the optical illusion created by larger cross-section created by razors vs natural pointy hair.
[19:57] <infinity> xnox: Tell me the research was government-funded.  Restore my faith in my tax dollars going to useful things.
[19:57] <skaet> lol
[19:59] <xnox> infinity: well in UK most of universities are funded by Malaysian and Chinese foreign exchange students.   We're delayed by 30m.
[20:07] <apw> infinity, missed it by seconds did we
[20:08] <cjwatson> Giant translation tarballs again or something?
[20:08] <infinity> apw: If by seconds, you mean five minutes, yes.
[20:09] <infinity> cjwatson: Dunno, haven't poked the log, but a 5 minute delay sounds like translations would be a fair thing to blame.
[20:09] <infinity> That so needs to be async.
[20:10] <cjwatson> Yeah, I've been meaning to move that to a script server.
[20:10]  * skaet notes that Freeze is 2100 UTC,  not london time...
[20:10] <infinity> Actually, that log doesn't show any translation foo.  Could have just been I/O contention.
[20:19] <xnox> skaet: or in other words Freezes have their own Daylight Saving Time pattern ;-)
[20:19] <skaet> :)
[20:28] <seb128> bah
[20:28] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1057000 ?
 Launchpad bug 1057000 in unity (Ubuntu) "[Ubuntu 12.04.1/12.10] nVidia drivers 304.51 prevent autohidden Unity launcher from revealing" [High,Confirmed]
[20:28] <seb128> tseliot, ^
[21:23] <xnox> pulseaudio has backed please copy quantal-proposed -> quantal
[21:23] <xnox> Laney: ^ ;-)
[21:23] <infinity> cjwatson: Want to wave that d-i through?  The binaries are on disk on ftpmaster.
[21:28] <Laney> xnox: I never know when I'm allowed to, so I tend to avoid copying stuff. Ask Mr. Conrad.
[21:29] <infinity> Mr Conrad needs a new nick hilight.
[21:29] <xnox> Mr. Conrad please send pulseaudio through infinity to quantal from -proposed? =)
[21:29] <infinity> (Also, he already copied pulseaudio)
[21:29] <xnox> you are awesome =)
[21:31] <infinity> Laney: Feel free to accept d-i for me, though.
[21:32] <skaet> infinity,  done
[21:32] <skaet> (d-i, accepted)
[21:32] <infinity> Danke.
[21:33] <skaet> infinity, Laney - anything left pending for the desktop infrastructure or kernel freeze side of things?
[21:33] <infinity> skaet: There's a kernel incoming from Andy in a few minutes.
[21:33] <skaet> k
[21:34] <Laney> not that I know of. seb128 ?
[21:35] <seb128> skaet, Laney: do you count webapp as infrastructure?
[21:35] <seb128> otherwise we are good I think
[21:35] <skaet> seb128, yeah I count them as infrastructure - since other things have to interact with them.
[21:35] <skaet> seb128,  rest has landed?
[21:36] <seb128> yes
[22:04] <skaet> infinity, looks like that linux upload you were waiting for has arrived.   Can you do the sanity check and get it in?
[22:06] <infinity> skaet: Yeah, that'll be happening shortly.  There's still one more piece to the signed kernel puzzle that will be ~8h late because it needs the kernel built for it to work.
[22:13] <phillw> who's on queue duty for FFe today? :)
[22:19] <infinity> phillw: Several people, just ask.
[22:22] <phillw> infinity: it is the pcmanfm FFe exception that Julien has asked for.  As we are in FF, it is a mix of bug fix & more ability.
[22:26] <gilir> since phillw bring it up, it's bug 1059845
[22:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059845 in pcmanfm "[FFe] New upstream release 1.0.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059845
[22:26] <gilir> It's mostly a bugfix release, but with some small features inside with require FFe
[22:27] <infinity> gilir: Have you built and tested it locally?
[22:27] <phillw> hi gilir (boss), even as mere mortal I can understand your reasoning and request. You are always very good to explain what is being done for those of us who are not coders.
[22:28] <gilir> infinity, yes, available in a PPA, tested at least on 2 systems
[22:28] <infinity> gilir: Oh, the bug claims you have.
[22:28] <phillw> infinity: the L-QA people will go test :D
[22:28] <infinity> gilir: The only new feature concern I have there is the "basic multimonitor support"... If that doesn't appear to have caused any crazy new behaviours or regressions, I'm fine with the FFe.
[22:29] <gilir> infinity, not on my system, which is multi-monitor
[22:30] <infinity> gilir: Unplug a monitor and make sure it's fine with one too? :)
[22:30] <gilir> infinity, the only regression I saw was reverted, I didn't see problem since I using the new version (1 week)
[22:30] <gilir> that's an idea :-)
[22:31] <infinity> gilir: I'll follow up to the bug, pending you testing with one monitor.
[22:32] <gilir> infinity, ok thanks, I'll update it later
[22:32] <infinity> gilir: Bug updated.
[22:32]  * phillw awaits for being told off :)
[22:46] <slangasek> jdstrand: any luck on that shim CA confirmation?  I'd like to get this on its way today in the hopes of getting it turned around by the weekend
[22:46] <jdstrand> slangasek: sorry, not yet-- was training someone and trying to get an update out and then got the normal pulls every which way
[22:47] <jdstrand> it is next on my list, but may not get to it tonight since I have a hard stop in a few. will definitely do it first thing in the morning
[22:47] <jdstrand> (if not sooner)
[22:47]  * infinity takes a late lunch after the linux review.
[22:48] <infinity> jdstrand: I totally read that as "if not sober".
[22:48] <jdstrand> haha
[22:48] <slangasek> jdstrand: ok; I'm considering pulling the trigger anyway in the meantime then
[22:48] <infinity> Dyslexia is a beautiful gift.
[22:49] <jdstrand> slangasek: sorry, I will review it regardless
[22:50] <slangasek> jdstrand: ack :)
[22:50] <jdstrand> slangasek: I'm assuming it is more than just looking at the file itself, is is that all you want?
[22:50] <jdstrand> s/is is/or is/
[22:50] <slangasek> jdstrand: just looking at the file to make sure I've included the right one :)
[22:51] <jdstrand> slangasek: I can do that. give me a minute
[22:51] <slangasek> I'm not worrying about a security audit of the code at this point; might be useful, but we're in the same boat with RH if there are any issues :P
[22:56] <jdstrand> slangasek: I confirm that is our master public certificate
[22:56] <slangasek> jdstrand: ok, thank you :)
[22:57] <jdstrand> slangasek: sorry for the delay-- that was considerably easier than I thought :)
[22:59] <cjwatson> unity stack looks built in -proposed; copying to release
[23:14] <SpamapS> RAOF: tsk tsk, your colord upload has a misformatted LP: bug number
[23:14] <SpamapS> RAOF: (LP: 844286)
[23:14] <RAOF> GAH!
[23:14] <SpamapS> rejecting now, re-upload in the next 10 minutes and I'll accept, otherwise it looks good
[23:15] <SpamapS> we are seriously far behind on SRU's
[23:21] <RAOF> SpamapS: Done; thanks.
[23:27]  * xnox yeah precise SRUs =)
[23:27] <cjwatson> migods we have idle armel builders
[23:30] <SpamapS> quick, somebody.. UPLOAD SOMETHING
[23:30] <SpamapS> we can't let those chips cool down ;)
[23:30] <cjwatson> You may have noticed I just uploaded 20 no-change rebuilds :P
[23:30]  * SpamapS breathes a sigh of relief
[23:30] <SpamapS> :)
[23:58] <xnox> SpamapS: added SRU template to  bug 488696 . Sorry for the delay =)))
[23:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 488696 in autofs "syntax error in nsswitch config near [ syntax error ]" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488696


[13:35] <xu-irc42w> installing xubuntu in uefi
[13:37] <diogenes_Vx15> yey
[13:37] <xu-irc42w> playing games and watching movie :)
[13:37] <diogenes_Vx15> yeeey
[13:38] <xu-irc42w> installing games, work, and other software :)
[13:39] <xu-irc42w> in ubuntu, where my firefox browser package?
[13:40]  * diogenes_Vx15 pictures xu-irc42w as Squidward Tentacles with multiple hands.
[13:40] <xu-irc42w> playing android emulator in xubuntu! :)
[13:41] <diogenes_Vx15> too many tentacles.
[13:41] <xu-irc42w> i'm watching spongebob! :)
[13:41] <diogenes_Vx15> now we're talking :D
[13:42] <xu-irc42w> playing township in android emulator! :)
[13:44]  * diogenes_Vx15 meanwhile in Bikini Bottom Plankton is stealing the magic formula.
[13:45] <xangua> The secret ingredient is crab meat 🦀


[00:51] <Unit193> tjaalton: Heya!  What do I need to do for you?
[07:15] <tjaalton> Unit193: set the topic, or give me ops?
[07:16] <tjaalton> I saved the old one here so Sarvatt is not forgotten :) https://pastebin.com/Mc64JTez
[10:21] <Unit193> tjaalton: Would it make sense to give ubuntu/member/* access to change topics?
[11:08] <tjaalton> Unit193: sounds good.. maybe I'd need a cloak then?
[11:09] <Unit193> I added that and specifically added you.
[11:14] <Unit193> tjaalton: If you had +f before, I'm fine doingg that too, btw.
[11:23] <tjaalton> no idea
[23:06] <Unit193> tjaalton: You're listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList as the contact person, so I'm giving you full founder.
[23:07] <Unit193> If there's anything else, I'm in -irc.