[00:12] <awesomexpress> hello
[00:12] <awesomexpress> anyone in here?
[00:22] <Mase_wk> well yes
[00:22] <Mase_wk> there are people here, your irc client should give you an indication of that
[00:23] <Mase_wk> if not i suggest trying quassel or konversation =)
[00:57] <dundee> Hi all. Am I the only one suffering from momentary freezes in kde 4.6? Any ideas on how to solve?
[00:58] <atalay> dundee.. i think it is because of Nepomuk service
[00:59] <dundee> atalay:  I turned that off and the problem still persists.
[01:00] <atalay> well.. then maybe because of Akonadi then.. because i had some problem like yours with previous versions of KDE just because of Akonadi.. But i dont know how to solve your problem. sorry.
[01:01] <dundee> atalay: ok. thanks
[01:01] <dundee> Hi all. Am I the only one suffering from momentary freezes in kde 4.6? Any ideas on how to solve?
[01:11] <dundee> Hi all. Am I the only one suffering from momentary freezes in kde 4.6? Any ideas on how to solve?
[01:20] <dundee> Anyone with any ideas why kde 4.6 freezes momentarily on Dell studio?
[01:34] <dthacker> dundee: what does top say
[01:38] <JuJuBee> I need help with getting Banshee playing mp3 files.  I just finished a re-install of my os etc and when I try to play an mp3 file, it doesn't work...
[01:40] <dundee> dthacker: when I check the processors are at low percentages and the memory. I am wondering if its a problem with the intel graphics driver
[01:42] <dthacker> dundee: that's frustrating, I'm sure.   I'd look on launchpad for bugs that have to do with your video setup.
[01:42] <dthacker> JuJuBee: what error do you receive when you try to play an mp3?
[01:43] <dundee> dthacker:  Yes it is very frustrating. I tried everything I can think of.
[01:45] <JuJuBee> dthacker: the song gets a red x on it rather than play it.  Amarok plays it fine though
[01:47] <dthacker> JuJuBee: If amarok plays mp3's, you probably have the proper codecs loaded.    I'm not familiar with Banshee,  is it possible that the Banshee sound backend  is not configured properly?
[01:48] <dthacker> JuJuBee: here's a url that may help. YMMV http://forum.foresightlinux.org/index.php?topic=445.0
[01:51] <dthacker> JuJuBee: this forum thread may also be helpful. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1319548
[01:58] <Sentynel> JuJuBee/dthacker: as a gnome app nanshee will probably use different mp3 codec packages; my guess would be gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[01:59] <shady_> brothers
[01:59] <shady_> i downloaded a driver for my laptop with a RUN extension
[01:59] <Sentynel> s/nanshee/banshee/
[01:59] <shady_> how i run that?
[02:00] <JuJuBee> Thanks, I will look at them when I get  a few minutes...
[02:09] <shady_> can any1 help?
[02:10] <shady_> how to use file wirh RUN extension?
[02:11] <Sentynel> shady_: try setting it as executable and running it
[02:13] <shady_> u mean deb?
[02:13] <shady_> i did but it says corrupted
[02:14] <Sentynel> shady_: ...no, I mean set it as executable and run it
[02:14] <Sentynel> chmod +x file.run && ./file.run
[02:16] <Mase_wk> morn all
[02:19] <shady_> i put that line in konsole?
[02:19] <Sentynel> open konsole, navigate to the directory with that file in, then run that
[02:19] <Sentynel> changing "file" for the actual filename obviously
[02:20] <shady_> k
[02:26] <shady_> sry but how i navigate
[02:26] <shady_> it's in a partition called silent room?
[02:27] <Sentynel> cd /path/to/direcotry
[02:27] <Sentynel> directory*
[02:27] <Sentynel> you can also open the directory in the file manager and do tools > open terminal
[02:27] <Sentynel> which will open konsole in that folder
[02:27] <Sentynel> might be easier
[02:31] <jcollierdavis> i'm trying to install kubuntu alongside vista, but the installer doesn't give me the option to resize the vista partition and gparted doesn't seem to want to resize it either.  How to I get kubuntu to install for dual boot?
[02:32] <shady_> didn't work
[02:33] <shady_> says no such file
[02:41] <shady_> guys any help here will be appreciated
[02:41] <Thinkerer68> shady_: Are you in the Konsole window?
[02:42] <shady_> yea
[02:42] <shady_> sry am nab
[02:42] <Thinkerer68> Are you in the same directory as the file in question?
[02:43] <shady_> yep
[02:43] <shady_> i shortened the name of the file too
[02:43] <Thinkerer68> When you enter the "ls" command you should be able to see the file. Can you?
[02:44] <shady_> yep
[02:44] <Thinkerer68> What is the name of the file?
[02:44] <shady_> nvidia
[02:44] <Thinkerer68> Enter the command below
[02:44] <Thinkerer68> chmod +x nvidia
[02:45] <Thinkerer68> What response did you get from that command ^ ?
[02:45] <shady_> is there a space or something
[02:45] <Thinkerer68> chmod{space}+x{space}nvidia
[02:46] <shady_> no us
[02:46] <shady_> no use brother
[02:46] <shady_> t says no such file or directory
[02:46] <Thinkerer68> WTF does that mean?
[02:46] <Thinkerer68> Okay
[02:46] <Thinkerer68> Try this then
[02:47] <Thinkerer68> ls nvidia
[02:47] <shady_> mb cause i changed it's name
[02:47] <shady_> ok
[02:47] <Thinkerer68> What is the name of the file?
[02:48] <shady_> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.12.run
[02:48] <shady_> it was this
[02:48] <Thinkerer68> Okay
[02:48] <shady_> i shortened it
[02:48] <Thinkerer68> That is very different
[02:48] <shady_> to nvidia
[02:48] <arrrghhh> hey all.  can anyone help me migrate public keys from putty to linux?
[02:49] <Thinkerer68> shady_: chmod +x NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.12.run
[02:49] <Thinkerer68> shady_: Yes those are spaces between each part.
[02:49] <shady_> ok:_
[02:49] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: i'd resize the partition using a windows tool (i prefer EASEUS partition manager - free for home use)
[02:50] <Thinkerer68> shady_: What response did you get?
[02:50] <jcollierdavis> arrrghh thanks I'm heading that direction.  gparted has the little yellow triangle which looks like an error but i can't see the description because it's off the bottom of the screen
[02:51] <shady_> cannot acsses
[02:51] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: i've just had issues resizing ntfs partitions, and easeus' product worked great for me.
[02:51] <Thinkerer68> shady_: I have to go now. Hope someone else can help  :(
[02:51] <shady_> am sry man
[02:52] <shady_> i consumed ur time
[02:52] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh looks like i'm not going to try it that way. i'm setting it up for a friend who's not so computer savy
[02:52] <shady_> ty 4 help anyway
[02:52] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: not going to try it what way...?  the product i recommened works great.
[02:52] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: there's always WUBI if you really are concerned.
[02:52] <jcollierdavis> not going to use gparted.
[02:52] <arrrghhh> oh, yea that's fine.
[02:53] <jcollierdavis> will wubi do the dual boot correctly?
[02:53] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: check out the easeus product.  it's worked flawlessly for me on several machine.
[02:53] <arrrghhh> machines*
[02:53] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: WUBI isn't a true dual-boot... it carves out a section of the ntfs disk to use as its own.
[02:53] <arrrghhh> not as good as a native install.
[02:54] <jcollierdavis> arrghhh i've never tried wubi but since this person's really good at messing up her computer i want it to be where she can't get to the windows super-easy
[02:55] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: lol.  i wouldn't use WUBI, just makes it easier if you don't want to reparition the drive.
[02:55] <jcollierdavis> arrghhh thx.  don't know anything off the top of your head about making the dell boot disc from that stupid recovery partition?
[02:56] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: i wouldn't touch that partition, if you can help it.
[02:56] <jcollierdavis> arrghhh yeah, especially on someone else's machine but there's supposedly a way to make a recovery disc with it
[02:57] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: yes, usually you can recover completely from those partitions.  i would leave it intact.
[02:58] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: i would use that EASEUS product, shave off some space from the 'normal' win drive
[02:58] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh Ok, here's my plan 1. make a 10gb partition in the normal drive. Boot the Kubuntu CD and install the / dir there and assign /home to the rest of the drive
[02:59] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: 10gb is pretty small.  you can do it, but there's going to be issues updating.  i would carve out 20gb if you could.
[03:00] <jcollierdavis> arrrghh ok 20's fine
[03:00] <jcollierdavis> putting home on the regular partition would be ok you think?
[03:01] <arrrghhh> sure
[03:01] <arrrghhh> and would help if you ever need to blast anything out
[03:01] <arrrghhh> having a separate /home.
[03:01] <jcollierdavis> that's have i have my personal machine minus the windows part
[03:01] <arrrghhh> yea
[03:01] <arrrghhh> it does make things easy if you need to start over.
[03:02] <jcollierdavis> arrrghh sweet. Ok, 1 make a 20g partition inside windows. 2. install kubuntu / there and /home on the other partition.
[03:03] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: /home goes where?
[03:03] <arrrghhh> i was thinking 20gb for all of linux.
[03:03] <jcollierdavis> on the windows part. so she can get to all her files. Won't it put it there and not format it?
[03:03] <arrrghhh> i've done 10gb for ubuntu entirely, and it works ok - but updates are a nightmare.
[03:04] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: oic.  i'd just bind mount stuff in linux so it is seamless
[03:04] <jcollierdavis> arrrghh ok, i'll do that
[03:05] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: fyi, you can tab complete names :P
[03:05] <arrrghhh> so hit ar then tab ;)
[03:05] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: that's awesome
[03:05] <arrrghhh> isn't it tho?  :D
[03:05] <arrrghhh> i <3 tab complete.
[03:06] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: it makes me so annoyed when i can't do it on my windows machine at work
[03:06] <arrrghhh> lol you can fix that too
[03:06] <arrrghhh> but that's kinda another topic
[03:06] <arrrghhh> there is a way to enable tab complete in cmd on windows...
[03:06] <arrrghhh> drove me nuts at work too ;)
[03:09] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: if i format the kubuntu partition ext3 then windows won't even see it right?
[03:10] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: why not use ext4?  but yes, windows won't see it at all.
[03:10] <arrrghhh> i usually do bind mounts in fstab, so anything on the windows side is seamless on the (k)buntu side
[03:11] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: honestly, i don't know enough to know what the difference is
[03:11] <arrrghhh> i'd just go with ext4.  it's very stable.
[03:13] <arrrghhh> i can help you create bind mounts too, they are awesome.  makes the transition from windows to ubuntu much easier.
[03:13] <arrrghhh> although that means the user data is still stored on windows, which you may not prefer.  depends on the end-user.
[03:14] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=502420
[03:14] <jcollierdavis> looks pretty straightforward
[03:14] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: all the user data in the same place is a good idea in this case i think
[03:15] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: oh yea permant bind mounts are no biggie whatsoever.
[03:15] <arrrghhh> just put 'em in fstab and forget about 'em :D
[03:15] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: it's in /etc/fstab ?
[03:16] <arrrghhh> yes
[03:16] <arrrghhh> that's where all mountpoints go.
[03:16] <arrrghhh> (on boot)
[03:18] <jcollierdavis> easeus is installing now
[03:18] <jcollierdavis> ok that was fast
[03:18] <arrrghhh> heh
[03:19] <arrrghhh> so you'll just carve out the partition, then it'll reboot back to windows to do the dirty work - because the drive can't be mounted when it's doing its work.
[03:20] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: i made some empty space, about 20g, on the end of the drive
[03:21] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: should i just leave it empty and format with the kubuntu installer?
[03:21] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: yes.
[03:21] <arrrghhh> so long as it's raw space, kubuntu won't have an issue with it
[03:21] <arrrghhh> it's an issue when there's no free space ;)
[03:23] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: it's rebooting, i guess to do the partition edit
[03:23] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: yup.
[03:24] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: this is actually pretty simple isn't it?
[03:24] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: eh, i try to make things simple.
[03:24] <arrrghhh> no need to make things complicated.
[03:24] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: i'm going to put these steps on my blog
[03:25] <arrrghhh> heh
[03:25] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: that partitioning went really fast
[03:25] <arrrghhh> yea, that software is amazing.  so surprised it's free.
[03:29] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: how long is the MS progress bar supposed to take?
[03:30] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: eh?
[03:30] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: the green progress bar that scrolls by while windows is booting it's just been going for a while
[03:30] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: did it repartition already?
[03:31] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: that part seemed pretty fast and it rebooted after. Now i'm looking at that green bar
[03:31] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: hrm.  i'm not sure tbh, that's a windows thing.
[03:38] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: i just put the kubuntu disc in and turned it off
[03:39] <arrrghhh> eh?
[03:39] <arrrghhh> you were in windows?
[03:39] <arrrghhh> you should've put the disc in when the computer was off, and boot from the disc.
[03:39] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: the windows never loaded after the repartition
[03:39] <arrrghhh> Oo
[03:39] <arrrghhh> that's not good.
[03:39] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: so i just turned it off an dput the disc in
[03:39] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: i got the install side by side dialog now
[03:40] <arrrghhh> ok?
[03:41] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: looks like what i expected to see.  i picked the empty space and manually specify partitions.
[03:41] <arrrghhh> sounds good
[03:41] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: i'll use ext4 and mount point /
[03:41] <arrrghhh> stupid question, where did you take the free space from?
[03:41] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: good ?
[03:42] <arrrghhh> yea that's fine.
[03:42] <arrrghhh> then /home as ext4 as well.
[03:42] <arrrghhh> i'm trying to think if 10gb each is enough.
[03:42] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: the end of the windows partition
[03:42] <arrrghhh> might want to make / 15gb and /home 5gb.
[03:42] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: if i put /home on the windows part then /home doesn't really matter right?  5gb is plenty i think too
[03:42] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: hrm, that is correct.  not sure why windows doesn't boot anymore... install ubuntu and it should pickup the win instsall.
[03:43] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: i wouldn't put /home on the windows part.
[03:43] <arrrghhh> i would just link the necessary stuff using bind mounts to the windows stuff
[03:43] <arrrghhh> then it's transparent to the end-user, they see all the familiar stuff from windows.
[03:43] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: right but i can do that bind mount so the what's on the windows partition will 'appear' to be on the /home
[03:44] <arrrghhh> indeed
[03:44] <arrrghhh> i would do it in pieces personally
[03:44] <arrrghhh> link music in windows to music folder in ubuntu
[03:44] <arrrghhh> docs to docs
[03:44] <arrrghhh> etc
[03:45] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: ok, here's my new partition: / is 17000mb ext4 and /home is 4998 ext4 on the very end where my previous unused space was
[03:46] <arrrghhh> sounds good
[03:46] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: what about swap?
[03:47] <arrrghhh> how much RAM does the machine have?
[03:47] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: idk. i looked at it when i was using my usb but don't recall
[03:48] <arrrghhh> hrm
[03:48] <arrrghhh> well it's kinda important.  if there's a ton of RAM, swap can be fairly small.
[03:48] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: i could probably pull 750mb out if i needed to
[03:49] <arrrghhh> if RAM is limited, rule of thumb is 2x RAM for swap.
[03:49] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: i'll go with 2 for safety then
[03:50] <arrrghhh> k
[03:50] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: should i just delete my new partitions and start over, i didn't write them yet
[03:50] <arrrghhh> kinda a fuzzy thing
[03:50] <arrrghhh> yes, i would.
[03:50] <arrrghhh> if you have 4gb of RAM, swap probably isn't needed and 1gb is fine.
[03:50] <arrrghhh> but if you have 512mb of ram, 1gb swap is necessary...
[03:50] <arrrghhh> it's confusing, and there's no "definitive" answer here.
[03:52] <Mase_wk> arrrghhh: also depends if you have swap overcommit enabled or not
[03:52] <Mase_wk> by default it is
[03:53] <Mase_wk> but if you turn it off then you most definately need 2x the RAM to cover it
[03:53] <arrrghhh> lol
[03:53] <arrrghhh> to further confuse the issue.
[03:53] <arrrghhh> yea, 2x is usually what i recommend unless there's 4gb+ RAM.
[03:53] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: ok, here's what i have now: 16500 for /, 4300 for /home and 1498 for swap
[03:53] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: should be OK.
[03:54] <Mase_wk> i usually have a smaller / than my /home
[03:54] <Mase_wk> as only programs go in /
[03:54] <arrrghhh> Mase_wk: what's the smallest / you recommend?
[03:54] <Mase_wk> and all my data  will go in /home
[03:54] <arrrghhh> i didn't think less than 10gb was good for /
[03:54] <Mase_wk> well i use 20Gb
[03:54] <arrrghhh> plus, /home doesn't seem like it's going to be used on this machine.
[03:54] <Mase_wk> but my nameserver has 2G :)
[03:54] <jcollierdavis> arrrghhh: true
[03:54] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: you should be fine.
[03:54] <Mase_wk> it depends on your usage
[03:54] <arrrghhh> Mase_wk: indeed.
[03:55] <jcollierdavis> think i should just go with this?
[03:55] <Mase_wk> you can change at a later date
[03:55] <Mase_wk> resizing ext4 is trvial from a livecd
[03:55] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: from what you've described, what you have setup should be fine.
[03:56] <arrrghhh> Mase_wk: but there's no raw space once he's (or she's) done.
[03:56] <jcollierdavis> ok, i't writing now
[03:56] <jcollierdavis> it's writing now
[03:56] <Daskreech> Mase_wk: I've never used more than 7GB for /
[03:56] <Mase_wk> arrrghhh: doesn't matter so long  as both partitions aren't full. it's not like NTFS
[03:56] <Daskreech> So 10-15 should be pretty good
[03:56] <arrrghhh> 7gb?  how do you do updates Daskreech?
[03:56] <Mase_wk> you only need space on one
[03:57] <arrrghhh> Mase_wk: lol but that's the problem :P
[03:57] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: Pretty aggressively :)
[03:57] <arrrghhh> Daskreech: yea... don't want to recommend that here...
[03:57] <Mase_wk> arrrghhh: well then if she / he fills up both paritions i think it's pretty obvious at that stage you need a new disk :)
[03:57] <jcollierdavis> i think my personal machine only has 10 for /
[03:57] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: I'd put more obviously but just saying that it doesn't take like 50 GB
[03:58] <jcollierdavis> it's probably only 3/4th full
[03:58] <Daskreech> (Yes Windows 7 and MacOSX I'm talking about you)
[03:58] <jcollierdavis> plus ubuntu doesn't take hours to install
[03:58] <Daskreech> unless of course you are running a server with /var on / then you are going to want huuuuuuuuuuge /
[03:59] <Daskreech> jcollierdavis: Days for Windows
[03:59] <jcollierdavis> windows 7 isn't so bad
[03:59] <arrrghhh> Daskreech: i just want to make sure they have some breathing room
[03:59] <arrrghhh> tiny / makes for painful updates with /tmp...
[03:59] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: What's the machine being used for?
[03:59] <Daskreech>  i heard that home wasn't going to be used?
[03:59] <arrrghhh> Daskreech: doesn't seem like it will be.
[03:59] <jcollierdavis> a friend who's terrible with computers has lots of problems with virus, spyware etc on her windows
[04:00] <jcollierdavis> so i'll just make her use the kubuntu but keep files where they are
[04:00] <Daskreech> jcollierdavis: it installs faster than other Windows but still needs days to make it usable
[04:00] <jcollierdavis> it took 2 days so far just to get it to run
[04:00] <jcollierdavis> so many people don't realize that they don't really use computers for much anymore
[04:01] <Daskreech> I can install Kubuntu and be productive >before< it's finished installing
[04:02] <jcollierdavis> she barely does anything with this machine but internet and downloading pictures from her camera
[04:03] <Daskreech> yeah you can get by with anything for that. It's cheaper and safer (and more fun!) with linux
[04:03] <jcollierdavis> on another topic, what are KDE card decks for?  There's some on kde-look
[04:03] <Daskreech> linky
[04:03] <jcollierdavis> ?
[04:04] <claydoh> um, card games :)
[04:04] <Daskreech> jcollierdavis: I'm going to go with claydoh's suggestion but do you have a link to one?
[04:04] <jcollierdavis> that's what i thought. i'm don't use kubuntu much
[04:05] <claydoh> you can install those from within KPatience now, don't even need to go to kde look anymore
[04:05] <jcollierdavis> http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=83&PHPSESSID=beb356224163a0bb6db2cf117e154c0f
[04:08] <jcollierdavis> all done, rebooting now
[04:09] <arrrghhh> hope it all works!
[04:09] <jcollierdavis> the only thing i'm worried about is the stupid broadcom wireless drivers
[04:10] <arrrghhh> heh
[04:10] <Mase_wk> jcollierdavis: broadcom just recently made their drivers Free so hopefully that isn't an issue for much longer
[04:10] <arrrghhh> those do suck.
[04:10] <arrrghhh> Mase_wk: my neighbor has a new dell laptop, doesn't work _at all_ in linux.
[04:10] <arrrghhh> i compiled drivers by hand, nothing worked.
[04:11] <arrrghhh> i could get it to scan for networks, but it would never connect.  really pissed me off, had to put him back on win7.
[04:11] <Mase_wk> arrrghhh: at the moment... but given that they are now free they can be included in the kernel
[04:11] <arrrghhh> can be
[04:11] <arrrghhh> :P
[04:11] <Mase_wk> yeh which means,  at some stage we will have them in a later release of kubuntu
[04:11] <arrrghhh> indeed
[04:11] <arrrghhh> i told him hopefully with 11.04
[04:11] <jcollierdavis> it worked ok from the live USB i had earlier
[04:11] <Mase_wk> it was only a few months ago
[04:12] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: that's a very good sign.
[04:12] <Mase_wk> so i wouldn't hold my breath
[04:12] <jcollierdavis> but now i don't see any wireless networks on the list
[04:12] <Mase_wk> these things take time
[04:12] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: did you do the hardware drivers mess?
[04:12] <Mase_wk> it's only an issue for people who don't take care when purchasing hardware
[04:13] <jcollierdavis> not yet i'm going to have to plug it into the LAN it seems
[04:13] <arrrghhh> Mase_wk: zing?  it was a gift...
[04:13] <jreusch> wtf.... my new ubuntu joined this channel on purpose. cu you guys, please gimme a g-line ban.
[04:13] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: sorry... that does happen.
[04:15] <Mase_wk> yeh that sucks when   people buy you crap you can't use
[04:15] <Mase_wk> people know me well enough to let me buy my own hardware now :)
[04:15] <arrrghhh> Mase_wk: indeed.  plus, he's completely clueless when it comes to hardware.  or software.  or anything with a power button.
[04:16] <Mase_wk> wouldnt' be an issue if the manufacturers realised at an early stage that having free drivers is an advantage
[04:16] <Mase_wk> broadcom refused for a long time to even consider it
[04:17] <Mase_wk> now they have done a complete 180
[04:18] <arrrghhh> lots of companies say that it gives them a competitive advantage to have closed drivers.
[04:18] <arrrghhh> i've been trying to get android/linux ported to my winmo phone for years now, and we're running into all sorts of issues because there's no docs.
[04:19] <Mase_wk> arrrghhh: yeh broadcom said that,so did intel , amd etc... sooner or later they realise the benefits
[04:19] <Mase_wk> it just takes time
[04:20] <arrrghhh> intel has had a fairly good record of OSS... at least compared to broadcom and the like :P
[04:20] <Mase_wk> yeh, but previously they didn't
[04:20] <Mase_wk> back in the late 90's
[04:20] <Mase_wk> but they caught on quick and now the majority of the servers out there run intel kit
[04:20] <arrrghhh> indeed
[04:21] <Mase_wk> all our systems are intel
[04:21] <Mase_wk> my desktops, laptops etc..
[04:21] <Mase_wk> just purely because i don't have to think about linux support
[04:21] <Mase_wk> i know it is there or will be there as soon as possible
[04:21] <arrrghhh> yup
[04:22] <Mase_wk> and it really pays off, because when i ordered the batch of 3000 laptops for our client, i got all intel kit in them
[04:22] <Mase_wk> because i use it and i know it works well
[04:22] <arrrghhh> yea, my wlan card is intel in this lappy.  always worked great out of the box.
[04:22] <arrrghhh> indeed
[04:27] <Mase_wk> yeh i have an X200 stinkpad and i couldn't be happier with it
[04:27] <arrrghhh> heh
[04:30] <Daskreech> Mase_wk: other than the smell?
[04:32] <Mase_wk> mmm ozoney
[04:52] <jcollierdavis> does kubuntu not have a /etc/resolv.conf
[04:56] <arrrghhh> jcollierdavis: yes
[04:56] <arrrghhh> it should...?
[04:56] <arrrghhh> are you using a static IP?
[06:43] <heat> hi
[06:43] <heat> Morning for everyone
[06:44] <heat> its easy install ATI driver ?
[06:44] <heat> where i got error message.
[06:44] <heat> *here
[08:05] <MykLynx> how does one install drivers
[08:05] <jussi> MykLynx: drivers for?
[08:07] <jussi> MykLynx: most things have drivers built in, but some graphics cards and wireless cards need proprietry drivers - you can install these if needed with: kmenu -system - Additional drivers
[08:08] <jussi> !nvidia | MykLynx
[08:09] <MykLynx> thank you my webcam is not recognised on Thinkpad Z61m
[08:09] <jussi> thats a pretty good how to.
[08:09] <MykLynx> this is the part # from ibm  40Y8519
[08:10] <jussi> MykLynx: ahh, webcam.
[08:10] <MykLynx> haha
[08:10] <jussi> !webcam
[08:11] <MykLynx> Thank you
[08:11] <jussi> MykLynx: read down on that page, it has some info for webcams not supported out of the box
[08:11] <MykLynx> cool
[08:11] <MykLynx> any clue for chrome program association?
[08:14] <jussi> MykLynx: I wish I knew... (if someone knows, please tell us both)
[08:16] <MykLynx> will do Thank you
[08:24] <MykLynx> controller for webcam Vimicro / ZSMC
[08:24] <MykLynx> Have no clue
[08:25] <MykLynx> http://www.vimicro.com/english/product/pc003.htm
[12:10] <shadeslayer> ok so anyone using the backports ppa right now?
[12:17] <kyubutsu> whats the projected maximum size of /root?
[12:18] <kyubutsu> mine is going 5 gigs ... was thinking of doing a separate /home so i can do system reinstalls and not  have to backup everything each time
[12:19] <kyubutsu> am thinking 20 gigs for / would be fine
[12:21] <kyubutsu> sure, i could just upgrade but i prefer fresh install
[12:22] <shadeslayer> kyubutsu: i have 40 gigs
[12:22] <shadeslayer> no seprate hoem
[12:22] <shadeslayer> *home
[12:23] <kyubutsu> 40 gigs JUST for system?
[12:24] <kyubutsu> you must have a whole lot of apps installed too..
[12:25] <kyubutsu> i think i be fine with 20 gigs for / .. i cant imagine updates to fill all of that up
[12:43] <roam> How can I setup a UMTS connection that uses my own nameserver
[12:43] <roam> ?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> so .. anyone on lucid?
[13:12] <Exilant> Is there a special kubuntu-livecd for natty, or just generic ubuntu ones?
[13:16] <nerdy_kid> Exilant: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1
[13:17] <nerdy_kid> im sorry, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha2 instead
[13:17] <Pici> !natty
[13:17] <keithzg> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[13:18] <keithzg> As implied by that wiki page, you should be able to generally find the latest Natty release of Kubuntu at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/natty/
[13:22] <Exilant> thanks keithzg, nerdy_kid, pici
[13:22] <Pici> np :)
[13:23] <Exilant> I hope this time I'll download the right image, have two gnome-natty-livecds already
[13:23] <keithzg> hah
[13:29] <rork> shadeslayer: yes, I'm on 10.04
[13:29] <shadeslayer> rork: could you help us test Amarok 2.4 on Kubuntu 10.04 ?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> it won't update anything else
[13:30] <rork> which KDE version does it need?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> rork: the one from -updates
[13:31] <shadeslayer> no extra PPA's required
[13:31] <shadeslayer> ( -updates as in lucid-updates )
[13:32] <rork> shadeslayer: sure, can you give me the details?
[13:32] <shadeslayer> rork: erm .. lucid updates should be enabled by default :)
[13:32] <shadeslayer> so just add the staging ppa once the package is built and upgrade :D
[13:34] <rork> shadeslayer: what's the name of the ppa?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> ah one sec
[13:35] <shadeslayer> rork: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[13:37] <rork> ok, give me about 15 minutes, doing some other updates and stuff first
[13:38] <shadeslayer> sure
[13:38] <shadeslayer> it needs time to build too
[13:45] <JuJuBee> why would my up arrow not be working after fresh install of 10.10?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee: as in the up key?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> happens to me sometimes too
[13:51] <JuJuBee> shadeslayer: yes, in cli recent commands... doesn't work in text editing either.. but it does work if I boot into windows.
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yeah..
[13:51] <JuJuBee> I seem to recall something  about key mapping being an issue...
[13:51] <shadeslayer> you'll need to relogin
[13:52] <JuJuBee> k lemme try that..
[13:52] <roam> is there a light alternative for amarok2?
[13:53] <nerdy_kid> roam: maybe try clementine? http://www.clementine-player.org/
[13:57] <Drknzz> Hi guys! Ive suddenly lost all of the KWin effects even tho i do have 3D accel enabled with the ATI driver.... Help? Kubuntu 10.10 x64 on Acer 4540 [ATI HD4200]
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Drknzz, look at your desktop effects in system settings
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Drknzz, are you on kde or gnome,? ...I see you asking in #ubuntu as well
[14:02] <BluesKaj> kwin and kubuntu tells me kde but why would you ask in #ubuntu, Drknzz?
[14:02] <Drknzz> BluesKaj: Because #kubuntu can become AFK-land :)
[14:03] <Drknzz> Also, does KWin run on gnome? O:
[14:03] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:05] <BluesKaj> the gui path to apps is different in gnome than kde
[14:06] <Drknzz> BluesKaj: anyways, back to the problem
[14:07] <Drknzz> I suddenly lost all of KWin's effects when i changed some config to Shared Memory for some reason, i have not been able to re-enable them since
[14:07] <Drknzz> It always tells me to check my Xorg configuration
[14:08] <BluesKaj> which OS version are you running, Drknzz ?
[14:08] <Drknzz> BluesKaj: Kubuntu 10.10 x64
[14:09] <BluesKaj> have you looked in system settings / desktop effects?
[14:09] <Drknzz> It says they are temporarily disabled for some technical reason
[14:09] <Drknzz> But none is given
[14:11] <BluesKaj> what setting in xorg.conf did you change the memory sharing , or did you add a line?
[14:13] <Drknzz> BluesKaj: I did it from the advanced tab of desktop effects
[14:15] <BluesKaj> what composting type , open gl ?
[14:16] <Drknzz> yes
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Drknzz, opengl mode should be texture fro pixmap , not shared memory
[14:18] <joaquin> hello
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Drknzz, change that setting and see what happens
[14:19] <Drknzz> BluesKaj: It is set in that mode :S
[14:19] <Drknzz> Still, KWin says no plugins can be started
[14:20] <BluesKaj> in pixmap or shared memory , you didn't specify
[14:20] <Drknzz> It is on pixmap
[14:20] <Drknzz> Weird thing is
[14:20] <Drknzz> XRender works fine
[14:20] <Drknzz> But it looks so bad
[14:21] <Drknzz> And not all effects were activated
[14:21] <BluesKaj> doin't use xrender
[14:22] <Drknzz> Ok
[14:22] <Drknzz> Is there any file that mantains XWins preferences? Maybe if its recreated it will work
[14:23] <BluesKaj> reboot would probly best , altho you could stop kdm and restart it as well
[14:23] <Drknzz> A reboot wont work
[14:24] <BluesKaj> hmm, did you update the graphics driver by any chance ?
[14:25] <Drknzz> Using the one Jockey provided
[14:26] <Drknzz> :S
[14:26] <BluesKaj> apparently ati has provided source code for some of their drivers to the linux community , so maybe there's newer more effective driver on their site than the jockey default
[14:28] <Drknzz> BluesKaj: Should i try installing the latest driver from their site?
[14:28] <Drknzz> Also, do you know how to install this package on 10.10? It seems its not on its repos... http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/karmic/kdebindings
[14:30] <Drknzz> Ill have to restart as something seems to be blocking apt :S BRB
[14:41] <Drknzz> BluesKaj: Any ideas?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Drknzz,  you have the karmic version listed , look over on the left for maverick .then scrool to the bottom for this pkg, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebindings/kdebindings_4.5.1.orig.tar.bz2, you'll need to install it yourself
[14:43] <Drknzz> BluesKaj: Maverik has no kdebindings-kde4 package
[14:43] <BluesKaj> click on the url I posted
[14:46] <Drknzz> BluesKaj: Oh, should i build from that bz2?
[14:46]  * Drknzz Hates Kopete...  I seem to remember one, but I can not find it now?
[14:54]  * Thinkerer68 searching, searching
[14:54] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, which graphics card , first of all
[14:55] <Thinkerer68> Intel integrated, but I'll have to lspci to get the model of chip
[14:55] <Thinkerer68> But I don't think the specifics are as important as having a page with the general steps  :-/
[14:55] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VGA
[14:56] <Thinkerer68> ok, brb
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, there's no xorg,conf on new installs unless you decide to create one
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, this site is a bit old , but the listed commands work if you need them , http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/ubuntu-9-10/xorg-conf-file-create-on-ubuntu-9-10/
[15:00]  * BluesKaj wonders about the factoid db
[15:00] <BluesKaj> !xorg
[15:01] <BluesKaj> !xorg.conf
[15:01] <Thinkerer68> "Intel Corporation 82g33/g31 express integrated graphics controller"
[15:01] <BluesKaj> !info xorg.conf
[15:01] <Thinkerer68> Sorry so slow, computer is not in front of me  :P
[15:02] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, this site is a bit old , but the listed commands work if you need them , http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/ubuntu-9-10/xorg-conf-file-create-on-ubuntu-9-10/
[15:03] <Thinkerer68> Yeah, the manpage for "xorg.conf" explains that xorg is dynamically reconfigured in ubuntu beginning with 8.04 Hardy
[15:04] <Thinkerer68> Problem is that my monitor does not support the mode Kubuntu wants to use.
[15:04]  * Thinkerer68 thinks xorg's dynamic reconfiguring still needs lots of fine tuning
[15:05] <quask> hi
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, mode ?
[15:05] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: I don't know what mode Kubuntu is trying to use, but it is not supported by my monitor.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, whatmonitor?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> or which monitor
[15:06] <quask> when kubuntu get's a new version of the distri. do I have to re-install the system?
[15:07] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: I had to manually add "driver=vesa" to /etc/X11/xorg.conf just to get KDM and the desktop displayed.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> quask, re-install the system? pls eleaborate
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, well my opinion is that you graphics driver is responsible for the vga output to your monitor , so that's where the blame lies ...finding the right driver for the graphics card should solve the problem
[15:10] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: Please wait, I'll go look. Graphics driver already works perfectly, problem only occurs on this one monitor because it does not support the mode Kubuntu is using.
[15:14] <quask> I'm comming from the gentoo corner. gentoo does not have any gentoo version like kubuntu does (like kubuntu 10.10). so if I install an application in gentoo, for example kde, it installs kde in version 4.6 (this ebuild does not depend on a special gentoo version, because such gentoo versions does not exist). In kubuntu I would install something like kde-4.6-kubuntu-10.10 <-- right? ... so If a new kubuntu version has been released, and I
[15:14] <quask> do appy a system udate command, does all kubuntu packages automatically switch to the new version ... or do I have to remove the kubuntu installation and install the new kubuntu version?
[15:15] <Thinkerer68> Monitor is Panasonic TC-P50G15 using the "PC input". The "PC input" looks like a VGA connector on PC graphics cards, but it only supports modes from 640x400 to 1024x768. I've got the manual for the monitor in front of me now so I can provide specifications if needed
[15:15] <quask> udate -> update
[15:16] <rork> quask: you'll have to install the new version or explicitely tell kubuntu to upgrade to the new version
[15:17] <Thinkerer68> Still with me, BluesKaj ?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> quask, if you wish to update then all  installed pkgs that require updating will of course updated to the new OS version, sudo do-release-upgrade , will upgrade your version , but make sure you have no non default repositories like ppas in your sources.list or package manager before doing so.
[15:19] <quask> so I am able to run kubuntu several years without to reinstall the system, while keeping the system up to date?
[15:20] <arrrghhh> quask: welcome to the beauty of linux.  no need to reinstall every 6 months.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, that still doesn't answer my question , what is or isn't happening on the monitor ?
[15:21] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: I don't think you asked that question at all, but I will explain.
[15:22] <Thinkerer68> I moved the computer from its old display to the new Panasonic.
[15:22] <Thinkerer68> I power on the computer. Boot to Grub. Select Kubuntu. See the pretty progress bar. Then black screeen
[15:23] <Thinkerer68> KDM does not appear. I am able to enter a TTY with CTRL-ALT-F1
[15:23] <Thinkerer68> I manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. I make it say "driver=vesa".
[15:23] <BluesKaj> quask, your choice of words is confusing ..this isn't gentoo , you can do aclean install from a cd or usb stick if you wish , but upgrading from one OS version to the next is painless on kubuntu for the most part , by using the repositories on the 'net
[15:24] <Thinkerer68> Now restart the computer.
[15:24] <Thinkerer68> I see grub, select Kubuntu. I see pretty progress bar. I see KDM. I login. I see Kubuntu desktop.
[15:25] <Thinkerer68> But the vesa driver is too limiting for daily use. I want the full resolution my monitor is capable of (1024x768).
[15:26] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: ^ I hope I have made myself more clear now? My original question still goes unanswered, unless silence == "no".
[15:26] <quask> BluesKaj: so you would not recommend to install kubuntu on my new notebook?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, I have 2 suggestions , 1) try to find a better driver for your graphics card, 2) buy a dedicated graphics card like nvidia or ati that can give te resolution you need
[15:28] <BluesKaj> quask, in a word , yes
[15:28] <quask> thanks a lot for this information @ BluesKaj
[15:29] <BluesKaj> quask, I would recommend installing on your notebook ,YES!\
[15:31] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: Better driver than what? Vesa? How do I know what driver Kubuntu is using otherwise?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> there should be a linux driver for the intel graphics , vesa is just the fallback to make it barely work , generically, Thinkerer68
[15:32] <DarthNazgul> hi. i installed kubuntu 10.10 two days back. while adding one of the widget to my desktop. the sceen went blank for a while, and i rebooted the system. now i'm not able to get to the login screen
[15:32] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: Remember please that Kubuntu's automatic driver worked perfectly on the old monitor. The problem never happened until the new monitor
[15:33] <DarthNazgul> also, when i tried "startx", i got an error msg that said @kstratupconfig4 does not exist or fails". any solutions?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, yes that's why you need a "new" driver
[15:34] <Thinkerer68> So I need a "monitor driver"?
[15:34] <Thinkerer68> The problem is the monitor, not the graphics chip.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> ok Thinkerer68 if you think the vesa driver is ok , then have fun
[15:36] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: Sorry, but I don't know how I have failed here. I know what the problem is. How can I communicate this to you so that you will understand the problem as I do?
[15:37]  * Thinkerer68 back to searching
[15:39] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, you have communicted your problem very well, but you don't understand my answer , the vesa driver isn't only driver for your graphics card , the intel chip needs the updated driver in order to run in the higher graphics resolution mode that the new monitor requires
[15:40] <BluesKaj> !intel
[15:40] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I think rather that the monitor is incapable of currently displaying the default which the current driver wants.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> genii-around, he says the monitor is new
[15:41] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: I manually set "driver=vesa". Before that Kubuntu was using an automatic driver and I was able to set 1024x768 with no problems. My goal is to go back to Kubuntu's automatic driver, but limit xorg to 1024x768 resolution.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, may I ask why ?
[15:42] <Thinkerer68> genii-around is correct. 1024x768 is the highest resolution supported by my monitor
[15:42] <Thinkerer68> ^ the new Panasonic monitor
[15:43] <Thinkerer68> I did explain this already, yes?
[15:43]  * BluesKaj shakes his head , a new panasonic monitor that supports only 1024x768 ?
[15:44] <Thinkerer68> Thinkerer68> Monitor is Panasonic TC-P50G15 using the "PC input". The "PC input" looks like a VGA connector on PC graphics cards, but it only supports modes from 640x400 to 1024x768. I've got the manual for the monitor in front of me now so I can provide specifications if needed
[15:44] <Thinkerer68> ^ I did already explain this
[15:44] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: I'm getting the information directly from the manual of Panasonic TC-P50g15
[15:45] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, is that a tv?
[15:45] <Thinkerer68>  It is a plasma TV, yes
[15:46] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: I have hte manual of the Panasonic TC-P50G15 in front of me. Do you want to know more about it?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, don't use the pc input , use the hdmi , like I'm using on my plasma tcp46u2
[15:47] <Thinkerer68> No
[15:47] <Thinkerer68> No, no, no.
[15:47] <Thinkerer68> That does not suit my needs at all.
[15:47] <Thinkerer68> This computer must connect to the "PC input".
[15:47] <Thinkerer68> Even if I wanted, this computer does not have an HDMI connector.
[15:48] <BluesKaj> whynot, you have no hdmi out on your pc right ? then if you want the the proper resolution your monitor is capable of then buy a 50$ nvidia graphics card with dvi or hdmi out
[15:51] <Thinkerer68> Because I have other plans. This computer does not need a new graphics card.
[15:51] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, I'm chatting with on this plasma tv as we speak ...I use this tv and pc a s a media server for movies etc, so an inexpensive graphics card will enhance your experience
[15:51] <Thinkerer68> I want Kubuntu to work with my monitor and graphics chip combination, not the other way around.
[15:51] <Thinkerer68> No, I don't want that experience.
[15:52] <Thinkerer68> I want Kubuntu to conform to my graphics chip and monitor. I don't want to purchase a new HDMI graphics card just to get 1024x768 resolution.
[15:52] <maco> Thinkerer68: do you need to be using xorg.conf?
[15:52] <maco> !resolution
[15:53] <Thinkerer68> maco: Is there another way?
[15:53] <maco> you can set a script to run when kdm starts that'll force the X settings you want
[15:53] <maco> see that wiki link
[15:53] <BluesKaj> well.feeding an expensive tv from a cheap graphics card is strange economics IMO ..anyway I don't know of any intel drivers that will do what you want , Thinkerer68
[15:53] <Thinkerer68> maco: I already have the page open. I'm reading bits of it in between chatting with BluesKaj
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, forget about me , I can't help
[15:54] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: Kubuntu's automatic driver already will do it. I just have to know how to configure xorg.
[15:55] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: Thanks for trying to help. Sorry we can not see eye to eye on this issue  :(
[15:55]  * Thinkerer68 back to searching
[15:56] <maco> Thinkerer68: see the bit about making xrandr commands permanent?
[15:57] <Thinkerer68> maco: Getting there.
[15:57]  * BluesKaj shakes his head in disbelief
[15:57] <Thinkerer68> BTW, my original question is about help.ubuntu.com. Not this monitor and graphics chip.
[15:59] <maco> ive had the "screen goes black, no kdm" problem before. i blind-typed to login and open a konsole and set the right refresh rate (which is what was wrong on mine)
[15:59] <Thinkerer68> maco: changing ~/.xprofile is not what I need. The new setting needs to apply globally
[15:59] <maco> Thinkerer68: there is more than one thing listed there
[15:59] <maco> follow the kdm directions
[15:59] <Thinkerer68> Yes, I can get a TTY
[16:00] <maco> there should be directions on the page to edit one of kdm's startup scripts and add an xrandr command to it
[16:00] <maco> .xprofile is only one a few ways listed on the page to make things permanent
[16:01] <Thinkerer68> maco: I need some more time to absorb this. This is 100% new information for me. I have to read more than just this web page.
[16:01] <Thinkerer68> Is there a manpage for KDM scripts?
[16:01] <maco> doubtful
[16:01] <Thinkerer68> :(
[16:02] <maco> they're just some text files in /etc
[16:02] <maco> the file to edit is /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[16:03] <maco> if you type "xrandr" by itself, it should tell you your screen's name.
[16:03] <maco> and a list of resolutions, of which 1024x768 should be one
[16:03] <maco> just add a line to the file:    xrandr --output SCREENNAME --mode RESOLUTION
[16:04] <maco> (there is a manpage for xrandr, by the way. it has been the way to configure X on the fly for about 2 years now)
[16:04] <Guest86796> howdy all
[16:05] <Guest86796> how i can change my keyboard layout ?
[16:05] <Guest86796> i have kubuntu 10.10 OS
[16:06] <Guest86796> ctrl+shift and alt+shift not work
[16:06] <maco> system settings -> input devices
[16:08] <Thinkerer68> maco: Thanks for all that. I have to go read more now  :)
[16:08] <Thinkerer68> bbl
[16:13]  * BluesKaj admires maco's patience
[16:14] <maco> BluesKaj: hey, ive run into "my monitor claims to do impossible things, i need to tell the driver to do lower specs instead" thing before
[16:15] <Thinkerer68> "<maco> (there is a manpage for xrandr, by the way. it has been the way to configure X on the fly for about 2 years now)"
[16:15] <BluesKaj> maco, well, it's beyond me that someone would want such low res on a 50" plasma tv/monitor
[16:15] <Thinkerer68> ^ I haven't needed to manually change anything in xorg for about that long  :P
[16:16] <maco> BluesKaj: because the monitor *CANT* do a higher res using VGA
[16:16] <maco> just like my monitor cant *really* do 75Hz
[16:16] <Thinkerer68> Exactly :)
[16:17] <BluesKaj> maco, yes,but..... to me it'slike driving a big mercedes or caddy with a motorcycle engine under the hood
[16:17] <maco> save on fuel...
[16:18] <Thinkerer68> I don't drive my car with the gas peddle permanently nailed to the floor either
[16:18] <Thinkerer68> Most of the time 25 MPH is good enough.
[16:20]  * Thinkerer68 goes to check out /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, admit it, you're just cheap :)
[16:20] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: I am financially challenged.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> and politically correct...
[16:20] <dharm_> hi
[16:21] <dharm_> i want chat with anyone
[16:22] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, keep in mind the options that a dvi or hdmi with an inexpensive graphics card can do for you entertainment dollar as well
[16:23] <maco> BluesKaj: ever consider the screen was a gift and Thinkerer68 can't afford to spend on spare hardware?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> !question | dharm_
[16:23] <rork> dharm_: please do not personal message random people, you can try to start a conversation in #kubuntu-offtopic or look for other active channels somehow
[16:24] <BluesKaj> maco, of course , I know what it's like to be financially challenged , hence my cheap graphics card and media server pc
[16:25] <maco> if you were talking to my sister, thatd be the case. she was given a 34" tv/screen for christmas, but she has no job. cant afford to her broken laptop that she needs for school fixed
[16:25] <BluesKaj> maco and btw , I'm retired on fixed income
[16:25] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: I have a different machine with nVidia HD video card connected to 1080p monitor for those needs. This system must fill a different role for me, and does not need HD video at 1080p
[16:25] <Thinkerer68> Ugh. Have to leave again  :-/
[16:25] <Thinkerer68> bbl
[16:26] <BluesKaj> aha, maco , he's not challenged after all
[16:26] <maco> doesnt change that "just go buy hardware" does not solve everyone's problems
[16:28] <BluesKaj> not in most cases, maco , but his is an exceptional case with very few options to fix the prob
[16:41] <Thinkerer68> maco, BluesKaj: This computer is usually a Samba file server, and I don't keep the monitor powered on most of the time. No more than 2 times per week I use it to watch videos. Those are the only two roles for this computer.
[16:41] <Thinkerer68> The videos I watch on it are not 1080p encoded and are mostly SD. I don't need an HD video card for it at all. It would be a com
[16:42] <Thinkerer68> It would be a complete waste of money to purchase one.
[16:42] <Thinkerer68> And I am on a fixed income. Most of my money goes to living expenses. I can't just take out money for whatever I want to buy.
[16:44] <Thinkerer68> Also, I believe there are solutions to my problems. I believe the page you both linked me to will lead me to those solutions.
[16:44] <Thinkerer68> And to be honest, I do some things on LInux not out of necessity, but because I want to learn how to do them.
[16:45] <Thinkerer68> I must learn how the new xorg system works. The old xorg system has been gone since 8.04 Hardy AFAIK.
[16:46] <Thinkerer68> Kubuntu will bend to my wishes one way or another.  ;)
[16:46] <mastercactapus> hey, when i connect an hdmi monitor/tv its detected and says its getting signal (shows resolution i set it too) but its all balack
[16:47] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, and new one X 1.10 is going to be launched on natty 11.04 , which I'm testing as we speak :)
[16:47]  * Thinkerer68 plays catch-up
[16:49] <BluesKaj> mastercactapus, I have to mention first, check that you're tv is set to the proper input.
[16:49] <mastercactapus> yes it is; and fyi its also plugged in :P
[16:49] <BluesKaj> :)
[16:49] <BluesKaj> mastercactapus, I have to ask
[16:50] <BluesKaj> mastercactapus, which graphics card?
[16:51] <mastercactapus> ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650
[16:52] <mastercactapus> it worked wonderfully previously using open source drivers but its been doing this in maverick and natty (unless i have proprietary drivers installed)
[16:54] <BluesKaj> mastercactapus, ati rcently announced open source linux drivers are available, not sure if they're availble on their website yet tho
[17:00] <mastercactapus> do you have a link to the announcement?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> mastercactapus, you may find the proper linux driver here http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDSupportHub.aspx
[17:40] <snorch> ..
[17:51] <marxjohnson> I just installed updates on Kubuntu Maverick, and now Amarok's removed itself and wont reinstall due to an unmet dependency. Anyone else got this?
[17:52] <marxjohnson> http://paste.kde.org/6316/
[17:53] <nata_> marxjohnson: reinstall at synaptic should solve your problem
[17:53] <Specialist> marxjohnson: probably re-enabling the backports ppa should do the trick
[17:54] <marxjohnson> Specialist: backports is enabled
[17:55] <marxjohnson> nata_: what are you suggesting I reinstall?
[17:57] <nata_> marxjohnson: completely remove amarok in synaptic or kpackagekit then reinstall back, if still suck at dependency pls check out your sofware list
[17:58] <marxjohnson> aha, it looks like a dodgy repo in source.list was preventing apt-get update from getting the updated package list
[17:58] <marxjohnson> thanks for your help
[17:59] <marxjohnson> (i commented out the dodgy repo and did apt-get update && apt-get install amarok)
[18:00] <BluesKaj> well, one linuxbox with 10.10 is stalling updates due to dependency probs , at last count about 80 of them , another linuxbox is fine and updates normally ...strange happenings
[18:01] <BluesKaj> both with 10.10
[18:28] <Thinkerer68> maco: BluesKaj , inserting "xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768" at the bottom of /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup did exactly what I wanted  :)
[18:28] <maco> toldja so :P
[18:28] <Thinkerer68> Yeah, you did. I have much to learn
[18:29] <Thinkerer68> Now I wonder whether I should edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to properly inform xorg about my monitor?
[18:30] <Thinkerer68> I mean, as it stands, a user could still choose a resolution outside the capabilities of my monitor.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> glad you followed maco's advice , I would have just bought an vidia card :)
[18:30] <BluesKaj> nvidia
[18:30] <Thinkerer68> To be fair BluesKaj , that would have solved the problem. It was just way overkill for what I want.
[18:31] <BluesKaj> your monitor is capable of higher resolution , just not with a vga input, Thinkerer68
[18:32] <Thinkerer68> Yes, HD inputs can provide higher resolutions.
[18:32] <Thinkerer68> The real problem here, as I see it, is that xorg is not properly informed about my monitor by the automatic detection process.
[18:32] <BluesKaj> strange that it's so low , even with vga inputs my samasung 22' monitors run at much higher res
[18:33] <BluesKaj> 22"
[18:33] <maco> Thinkerer68:  if you type "xrandr" what does it list?
[18:33] <maco> i suspect it IS being informed about the full range of resolutions the monitor can do, and so picking the "best" (ie, highest) of them
[18:33] <Thinkerer68> I agree it is strange, BluesKaj. I don't know why Panasonic did not build a full range of resolutions into the "PC input"
[18:33] <Thinkerer68> maco: let me check
[18:34]  * Thinkerer68 walks to the other system
[18:34] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, I have a panasonic monitor /tv as well, but there's no PC input
[18:35] <jonathan_> Can I ask a question about PyQt4? PyQt4 apps cant run on my system, they error out on an undefined symbol in QtWebkit.so
[18:37] <Thinkerer68> maco: xrandr reports 5 modes - 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1152x864, 1360x768. (I suspect that is the limit of my Intel intgrated chip.)
[18:38] <Thinkerer68> maco: xorg was previously dynamically choosing 1152x864 mode, which my monitor will not support on the "PC input"
[18:38] <maco> jonathan_: say that in #kuuntu-devel. that .so was just mentioned about an hour ago as causing a problem with a Qt IDE
[18:39] <tsimpson> jonathan_: that's #kubuntu-devel by the way
[18:39] <BluesKaj> is your pc relatively old , like over 5 yrs , Thinkerer68?
[18:39] <maco> tsimpson: whoops, thanks
[18:39] <tsimpson> :)
[18:39] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: It is 2 or 3 years old
[18:40] <Thinkerer68> Should I boot Windows to see what resolutions it reports are available?
[18:40] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, then it should handle much higher resolutions
[18:40] <jonathan_> tsimpson: thanks!
[18:40] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: I know for a fact the chip will not do 1920x1080
[18:41] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, right , that's too high for most integreated ghraphics
[18:42] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: Dell Inspiron 530s
[18:42]  * Thinkerer68 looks up the IGP
[18:43] <BluesKaj> bbl, suddenly my old compaq linuxbox is having dependency probs
[18:45] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: maco , "<Thinkerer68>   "Intel Corporation 82g33/g31 express integrated graphics controller""
[18:46] <maco> *shrug* dunno
[18:46] <maco> the drivers on linux will only attempt things reported by EDID as being valid for that screen
[18:46] <maco> whether the screen tells the truth or not is another matter ;-)
[18:46] <Thinkerer68> I think it lies
[18:47] <maco> which is why xrandr lets you add modes that the screen didnt report
[18:47] <Thinkerer68> I think xrandr is reporting the modes of the graphics chip, not necessarily the modes supported by the combination graphics chip + monitor
[18:48] <Thinkerer68> How do I show the contents of the EDID
[18:48] <maco> i think its supposed to be the intersection
[18:48] <maco> getedid, iirc
[18:48]  * Thinkerer68 knows there is a command
[18:48] <maco> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/121851.html  <-- about edid lies
[18:48] <Thinkerer68> nVidia tools (included with the binary driver) can report such.
[18:49] <maco> "(The good news is that the same set of recommendations says that you can no longer put a Windows sticker on a monitor unless it has a valid and accurate EDID. The bad news is that that implies that you've previously been able to put a Windows sticker on a monitor without it having a valid and accurate EDID)"
[18:50] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, wife's 3yr old windows pc with nvidia integrated graphics does 1680x1050
[18:59]  * BluesKaj goes to postbox to get mail...BBL
[19:16] <dmatt> what is correct way to upgrade my testing kubuntu 10.10 instalation to natty?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> dmatt, in the terminal , sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:21] <dmatt> BluesKaj: i read that one is for server, but should be more robust so i try :)
[19:22] <BluesKaj> dmatt, that command is for upgrading whatever k(ubuntu) maverick you havw installed whether it's a server or pc install
[19:24] <Jonty> Plasma is crashing when I try to set up a dual monitor config, but only when i switch from cloning onto stitching or whatver you call it
[19:25] <Jonty> and it looks like akonadi is too, during startup, but I'm not sure whether that is causing it
[19:25] <dmatt> BluesKaj: it has started already so let's see what happens...
[19:25] <Jonty> and I don't see how a change in my monitor configuation would cause that
[19:25] <Jonty> any ideas?
[19:27] <r41> question: easiest way to get contents of channel.dvb in the sqlite.db of kaffeine 1.1
[19:28] <r41> ?
[19:34] <kyubutsu> whats the combo for desktop snapshot
[19:40] <Thinkerer68> kyubutsu: On my 8.04 Hardy system the "Print Screen" key starts ksnapshot. If that doesn't work for you then just try Alt+F2 -> ksnapshot. You can always configure a global shortcut for it later, although I don't know exactly how in KDE4
[19:42] <kyubutsu> printscreen key works , 10.10 here
[19:42] <Thinkerer68> :)
[19:43] <kyubutsu> there is already a shortcut which i happen to activate by mistake while typing .. just cant seem to spot what key combo does it
[19:43] <kyubutsu> lulz
[19:43] <kyubutsu> thanks though
[19:44] <Thinkerer68> :)
[19:46]  * Thinkerer68 goes to destroy his Jaunty system by installing over 400 updates simultaneously
[19:51] <Thinkerer68> Jaunty -> "222 packages upgraded, 41 newly installed, 4 to remove"
[19:51] <Thinkerer68> :P
[19:53] <Thinkerer68> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution has an error
[19:54] <Thinkerer68> xrand only accepts "--mode" options with lowercase "x", but the page shows uppercase "X"
[19:54] <Thinkerer68> Too bad common users can't edit the page :-/
[19:55] <yofel> of course you can, you need a launchpad account though
[19:56] <Thinkerer68> Why does it say "Immutable page" at the top? Doesn't "immutable" mean "unchangable"?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> prtscn works on 11.04
[19:57] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: How do you change the global key shortcut on KDE4?
[19:57] <Thinkerer68> For example, what if I want Winkey+S for starting ksnapshot?
[19:57] <yofel> Thinkerer68: I can open the edit dialog fine here
[19:57] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, sorry , no idea :(
[19:57] <yofel> that's somewhere in the settings, give me a sec
[19:57] <Thinkerer68> yofel: I must just be wrong then. Thanks  :)
[19:58] <BluesKaj> never did bother with shortcut keys . maybe I should do some research
[19:59] <Thinkerer68> BluesKaj: Try using Kubuntu without a mouse plugged in. You will learn the keyboard shortcuts in short order  ;)
[20:00] <kyubutsu> well.. in that sense, thats what krunner is for .. the only shortcut you need then becomes alt-f2
[20:00] <kyubutsu> :-P
[20:00] <BluesKaj> too used to a mouse , worked with them since they were introduced
[20:01] <Thinkerer68> Right. krunner is just too awesome not to use  :)
[20:01] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, I just righr click on an open spot on the desktop to get the runbox
[20:01] <Thinkerer68> I've been using computers since 1982, so I had to learn mouse when Mac and Windows came out.
[20:01]  * kyubutsu facepalms
[20:02] <yofel> Thinkerer68: I'm using 4.6 here: systemsettings -> shortcuts and gestures -> global keyboard shortcuts -> khotkeys if you want to change the 'print' behaviour. alt+print and ctrl+print are set in kwin here
[20:03] <Thinkerer68> yofel: I have to try that
[20:04] <kyubutsu> am not big on shortcuts, some mouse action + krunner is all i could possibly need
[20:04] <yofel> ah wait, that's also set in custom shortcuts -> preset actions here
[20:05] <Thinkerer68> kyubutsu: I really hate taking my hands off the keyboard to reach for the mouse. It interrupts my workflow and reduces productivity.
[20:05]  * BluesKaj is just happy to have the capslock defeat option
[20:06] <kyubutsu> sure.. nothing wrong with that
[20:06] <BluesKaj> one has to DL and install an app to do that on windows altho maybe there might be an option in W7 , I haven't searched
[20:07] <Thinkerer68> I consider applications without a complete set of keyboard shortcuts to be defective. Although there are exceptions like CAD where there aren't enough keys to make shortcuts of all the commnads.
[20:07]  * BluesKaj doesn't work for anyone ...anymore , so only wifey interruptions happen here
[20:08] <kyubutsu> interrupts.. /chuckles
[20:09]  * kyubutsu irq's you
[20:09] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, it's not what you think ...we're both old and retired
[20:10] <kyubutsu> hm.. well.. it wasnt what you thought either
[20:10] <kyubutsu> :-P
[20:10] <BluesKaj> good
[20:10]  * kyubutsu chuckles moar
[20:13] <Thinkerer68> Why can't the Ctrl+f "find" command in Firefox search for regular expressions?
[20:14] <Thinkerer68> I want to search for '[0-9]{3}X[0-9]{3}
[20:16]  * BluesKaj checks old compaq pc for dependency probs ..bbl
[20:16] <avihay> Thinkerer68:  mmm, maybe you'd get lucky with the java console
[20:16] <avihay> javascript*
[20:17] <Thinkerer68> I'm sure that would work, avihay , because Javascript does know what a regex is. Problem is I've never used the JS console in FF  :P
[20:18] <avihay> looking at it now, I don't think there ever was one. you can install the firebug plugin. I know it has one in it
[20:19] <Thinkerer68> Mozilla had one built in.
[20:19] <BluesKaj> BBL ...
[20:21] <digimac> olá
[20:21] <digimac> alguem pode me ajudar
[20:21] <digimac> ???
[20:22] <digimac> por favor??
[20:22] <avihay> oh, the error console also proseses javascript
[20:22] <digimac> alguem pode me ajudar???
[20:23] <Pici> !pt | digimac
[20:33] <plumeetoilee> salut
[21:10] <rats_> hi all is there any way to add the hide buttons on my tool bar like what was in KDE3.5
[21:11] <james147> hide buttons?
[21:13] <rats_> yes in KDE 3.5 you could hide the toolbar by adding the hide buttons
[21:13] <rats_> it would slide from side to side
[21:14] <tkesler> trying to upgrade to 10.10.  fails   Says to resolve generated breaks   --How?
[21:15] <Jasonn> Hello, doesn anyone know what i can use as an xbmc alternative
[21:19] <Thinkerer68> Now I messed up real bad  :(
[21:20] <Thinkerer68> Grub has been wiped clean of all OSes except Kubuntu  :_/
[21:20] <Thinkerer68> Please tell me there's a backup menu.list somewhere
[21:20] <Jasonn> hahah
[21:21] <Jasonn> what did you do?
[21:21] <genii-around> grub doesn't use menu.lst anymore
[21:21] <Thinkerer68> Well, it all started with "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -P full-upgrade"
[21:21] <Jasonn> install an older version is what i would say,
[21:22] <tkesler> Help---Can't upgrade to 10.10....stuck
[21:22] <Thinkerer68> Then the installer scrpt prompted me "grub has been customized, replace (etc.)?"
[21:22] <Thinkerer68> To which I responded "replace with maintainer's version"
[21:22] <Thinkerer68> *DOH!*
[21:23] <Jasonn> anyone know any XBMC alternatives?
[21:23] <Jasonn> for streaming movies from a server
[21:23] <tkesler> might have found...nebbermind for now
[21:23] <genii-around> Thinkerer68: You could usually issue: sudo update-grub                      which will try to auto-discover any OS you have and make a new grub config
[21:24] <Thinkerer68> actually, genii-around , doesn't Jaunty still have Grub~Classic?
[21:24] <Thinkerer68> I'm pretty sure my Jaunty machines still honor menu.lst
[21:25] <Thinkerer68> I'll try "sudo update-grub" and see what transpires.
[21:25] <genii-around> !info grub2 jaunty
[21:33] <tkesler> nope...crap...Help!
[21:33] <Thinkerer68> genii-around: "sudo update-grub" didn't add back the other OSes I have on the disk
[21:33] <tkesler> can't get to10.10
[21:33] <Thinkerer68> Fortunately I still have a backup of the old menu.lst in a file named menu.lst.backup
[21:35] <tkesler> how can i find out if I have held packages...'pulling hair'
[21:51] <tkesler> woohoo!!...got it see ya on the other side!
[22:07] <janik> have a question: is it known when OO.org 3.3 will be released in Ubuntu
[22:11] <animus> hi
[22:13] <epimeth> hello all!  How can I connect to an ftp server that requires explicit ssl/tls if I'm using dolphin (kioslaves)?
[22:18] <statarb3> is kubuntu 10.10 comming with kde 4.6
[22:19] <epimeth> statarb3: no, you have to install the backports ppa
[22:28] <Thinkerer68> Let's see how well the upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 goes.
[22:28] <Thinkerer68> Kubuntu is too sturdy. I've been trying to break it all day  :P
[22:29] <epimeth> Thinkerer68: lol... thats because you've been using 9.04
[22:29] <Thinkerer68> 9.04 has been pretty good for me
[22:29] <Thinkerer68> As has 8.04
[22:30] <epimeth> Thinkerer68: join the rest of us using the 10.10 + backports PPA and you'll have plenty of bug reports to send
[22:30] <epimeth> ahhh... 8.04... I remember you fondly *tear*
[22:30] <Thinkerer68> I'm using 8.04 on this computer right now  :D
[22:30]  * Thinkerer68 still loves some KDE3  :)
[22:31] <epimeth> Hardy was rock solid
[22:31] <epimeth> oh, I stayed with 3 through Jaunty
[22:31] <epimeth> I hated kde4
[22:31]  * iflema with 4.6 who needs 3.x
[22:31] <epimeth> understandably because it was *horrible* until 4.2
[22:32] <Thinkerer68> I hated KDE4 at first, but now I know I can get used to it.
[22:32] <epimeth> but then Karmic came along and forced me to move to 4, so I didn't upgrade for almost a year :-)
[22:32] <epimeth> more than "get used to", dude... its much much better, really.  it still has problems, but the advantages far outweigh them
[22:32] <Thinkerer68> But Hardy has been so relaible on my everyday machine that I am loathe to ever upgrade it.
[22:33] <Thinkerer68> I have been waiting for the bugs to get worked out.
[22:34] <Thinkerer68> My first experience with KDE4 was Intrepid Ibex. Total disaster! LOL
[22:34] <epimeth> absolutely
[22:34] <Thinkerer68> Kubuntu just was not ready for 4, and 4 was not ready for any distro!
[22:35] <Thinkerer68> I had Intrepid on a few different systems, and all of them self-destructed in less than a month.
[22:36] <Thinkerer68> lol
[22:37] <Thinkerer68> It's gonna take over 2 hours just to get the packages for 9.10  :P
[22:38] <epimeth> you need a new ISP
[22:38] <epimeth> :-p
[22:39] <Thinkerer68> Tell me about it. Cheap consumer DSL blows.
[22:39] <Thinkerer68> I wanted cable internet but the woman with the purse strings knew better than me  :P
[22:39] <epimeth> DSL? wow.... that sucks
[22:40] <epimeth> get some 4G action
[22:40] <epimeth> probably cheaper than your DSL
[22:40] <Thinkerer68> How's that? What's 4G?
[22:40] <epimeth> for example: http://mobileservices.timewarnercable.com/nynj
[22:44] <epimeth> anyhoo I'm off...
[22:45] <Thinkerer68> Okay so there's something out there called "4G". I guess I learned a little
[22:50] <kyubutsu> bang! amarok's been segfaulting on me
[22:53] <kyubutsu> .wma is putting too much preassure on it
[22:53] <kyubutsu> o.o
[23:00] <yassin> eh! bonjour
[23:45] <longcat8465> yoyoyo
[23:45] <longcat8465> hey guys i need help
[23:46] <Thinkerer68> http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
[23:46] <Thinkerer68> ^ interesting read
[23:46] <Thinkerer68> wassup, longcat8465 ?
[23:46] <longcat8465> im trying to get this server list script for konversation to work, have you done it\/
[23:46] <longcat8465> ?
[23:47] <Thinkerer68> I don't know exactly what a "server list script" is. I've written a few Konversation scripts in Bash though.
[23:47] <longcat8465> im gonna blow my head off if i dont get it to work
[23:48] <longcat8465> http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Server_List
[23:48] <Thinkerer68> Well please exit the room first. We don't need your brains splattered in here.
[23:48] <longcat8465> when i try to run it it says i have to quit konversation before i can run the script but i have quit
[23:48] <longcat8465> try it out see whats up
[23:49] <Thinkerer68> I don't use Konversation any more, but I'll take a look at the thing and see if I can make sense of it.
[23:50] <longcat8465> what do you use\/
[23:50] <longcat8465> omfg this keyboard is so shit
[23:50] <Thinkerer68> I use XChat, which is much more customizable than Konversation.
[23:51] <Thinkerer68> Besides, the Konversation package on Hardy 8.04 is really old and stale  :)
[23:51] <Thinkerer68> longcat8465: The script is written in perl. I'm afraid I can't do anything for you :(
[23:52] <longcat8465> why are you using hardy?
[23:52] <Thinkerer68> Because it is the most robust and reliable Kubuntu ever
[23:53] <BluesKaj> I use kpnversation , dur it's easy setup, altho the lack of autoserver l;isting is looked upon as a negative I prefer being able to use different profiles and identities on different servers
[23:53] <BluesKaj> err konversation
[23:54] <longcat8465> yeah blues the server list shit is whack
[23:54] <BluesKaj> dur =due
[23:54] <longcat8465> but this script is supposed to use the mirc server list but i cant get it to work
[23:55] <longcat8465> have you checkied it out? http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Server_List
[23:55] <Thinkerer68> The script is written in perl. I'm afraid I can't do anything for you :(
[23:55] <Thinkerer68> Perl makes my brain hurl
[23:55] <longcat8465> well the work is all done its just running the script
[23:56] <longcat8465> but the crap says i have to quit konversation even though i have
[23:56] <longcat8465> how do i know which perl modules i have installed\/
[23:56] <Thinkerer68> longcat8465: check the process table to see if Konversation is really running
[23:56] <longcat8465> already did
[23:57] <Thinkerer68> k
[23:57] <longcat8465> using system monitor right?
[23:57] <BluesKaj> longcat8465, I used to complain about the lack of a serverlist , but I don't bother surfing the irc servers much anymore
[23:57] <Thinkerer68> should work ok
[23:58] <longcat8465> ok so which irc client for linux has an autoupdated server list?
[23:59] <Thinkerer68> Damned if I know. Honestly I'm with BluesKaj . I know which servers I want before I ever open my client.
[23:59] <BluesKaj> xchat?
[23:59] <Thinkerer68> XChat is pretty good. Very customizable.
[23:59] <Thinkerer68> It has features I don't even know about yet  :P
[23:59] <BluesKaj> maybe kvirc, dunno for sure....a lotta ppl like that client