[02:00] <asterismo> hi
[02:00] <asterismo> i have some problem with XFCE
[02:00] <asterismo> every time i reboot my machine, the xfce preferred applications are undefined
[02:01] <asterismo> are there defined in some file?
[02:01] <asterismo> because XFCE is not grabbing the preferred apps that i set up
[02:01] <zacarias> can't see the menus on xchat (to join a channel, for instance)
[02:04] <asterismo> anyone can help me?
[02:16] <well_laid_lawn> asterismo: have you tried saving the session?
[02:16] <asterismo> no
[02:17] <asterismo> but i do not want to. i prefer to start a new session every time. it loads quicker
[02:17] <asterismo> but i think that setup sould be permanent
[02:17] <well_laid_lawn> but it is loading the first session then afaik which didn't have things set
[02:18] <asterismo> the t hing is that when i click on choose application, i do not have any available
[02:18] <asterismo> i have to write the command
[02:18] <well_laid_lawn> I had default values here but I haven't updated since the upgrade
[02:25] <asterismo> do you know in which file its defined?
[02:25] <asterismo> the thing is this
[02:26] <asterismo> when i click in a downloaded file and right click in > open folder
[02:26] <asterismo> it prompts a window saying there is no default file manager
[02:26] <asterismo> and there is a app list but it contains no apps, only the "other" entry for writing custom commands
[02:27] <asterismo> there used to be firefox, midori for webbrowsers
[02:27] <asterismo> for email it said evolution, thunderbird
[02:42] <well_laid_lawn> asterismo: you could have a look throught the xfconf editor
[02:43] <asterismo> i think i dont have that app installed
[02:43] <asterismo> cannot apt-get that
[02:49] <TVasEyes> asterismo: have you had this problem since clean xubuntu/xfce install?
[02:53] <asterismo> no
[02:53] <asterismo> i installed xfce package in ubuntu and unistalled unity and gnome-shell
[02:54] <asterismo> but i'm trying to install xubuntu-default-settings
[02:58]  * ball just failed to install Xubuntu 11.10 :-(
[03:00] <TVasEyes> asterismo: have you read 'exo-preferred-applications.html' which discusses the mechanism?
[03:00] <CaptainKnots> well, I couldn't decide between xubuntu and kubuntu for my netbook, so I installed xubuntu and now I'm installing kubuntu-desktop
[03:01] <asterismo> nooo
[03:01] <asterismo> kubuntu is 10 times heavier than xubuntu
[03:01] <CaptainKnots> not with the low-fat option
[03:01] <ball> Do they both use the same version of X.org?
[03:01] <CaptainKnots> plus, now I have a choice
[03:02] <CaptainKnots> no clue....my desktop runs both just fine
[03:03] <CaptainKnots> asterismo, if I really wanted lightweight I'd be using arch with scrotwm
[03:03] <CaptainKnots> :P
[03:03] <ball> My guess is that Xubuntu's X.org hates the graphics chip.
[03:04] <CaptainKnots> my graphics chip?
[03:04] <CaptainKnots> hmm
[03:05] <asterismo> CaptainKnots> scrotwm?
[03:05] <asterismo> never heard of it
[03:05] <asterismo> and never used arch
[03:05] <CaptainKnots> it's a tiling window manager
[03:10] <asterismo> it does support for, say, a minimal panel
[03:10] <asterismo> wifi applet
[03:10] <asterismo> and stuff?
[03:15] <CaptainKnots> you don't need a wifi applet
[03:15] <CaptainKnots> you have terminal for that
[03:25] <lycan> instalando xubuntu en mi netbook
[03:25] <lycan> xD
[03:28] <ball> No, my graphics chip.
[06:37] <mikodo> Any list of themes that support GtK2 and GTK3 apps like "greybird" does?
[06:57] <Sysi> gtk3-section in gnome-look.org, under "themes"
[07:11] <mikodo> Sysi, Hi! Advise please; does either of GTK2 or GTK3 support both?
[07:13] <Sysi> no, but most gtk3-themes should have gtk2 part
[07:13] <Sysi> because even gnome isn't completely gtk3
[07:14] <mikodo> Sysi, OK; Thanks, then to just try the GTK3 themes and see how the apps and icons look then...
[07:21] <mikodo> Sysi, From Arch tutorials on how to use a GTK2 theme that doesn't have GTK3 support:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1866392&page=4
[07:29] <Sysi> that works too
[07:40] <mikodo> Thanks!
[09:01] <zacarias> Hi. I can't see the menus in the Xchat application (so I can't join a new channel, etc). It's a recent problem (it used to work). Any help?
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> zacarias: have you tried starting it from a terminal to catch any errors?
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> have you installed a new gtk theme lately?
[09:06] <zacarias> No, I'm going to do that. I installed a theme, but I'm using the same theme than before. I installed "xfapplet" and used th "applet indicator apmenu) from gnome. That made the menus go to the top panel instead of the window border. But I removed the applet (and the xfapplet) because with Xchat the menus didn't show up on the panel. I'm going to try to open it from terminal.
[09:08] <zacarias> well_laid_lawn: yes, it gives me some theme errors. Gonna try another theme to see what happens.
[09:08] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[09:17] <per-magnus> Problems with my laptop (hp compaq nc6000) after last update. Display a total mess. Need a external display to use it ...
[09:17] <zacarias> well_laid_lawn: nothing changes. I've came back to the original (bluebird) theme, and it keeps the same. But now I don't have any error messages on terminal. I'm going to try to restart.
[09:28] <zacarias> The menus (the menu bar) on Xchat and Thunar don't show up. I came back to my original (bluebird) theme, but nothing happens. Any help?
[09:51] <well_laid_lawn> zacarias: they were my guesses as to what could be up
[10:39] <arpad2> not mounting xubuntu partition; error mounting: wrong fs type, bad option , bad superblock on /dev/sda5
[10:41] <Sysi> what are you truing to do and how and on what system?
[10:42] <arpad2> I tried to switch on my pc
[10:42] <arpad2> and it failed to start
[10:43] <arpad2> so I took a live cd and installed another xubuntu alongside the old one
[10:44] <arpad2> however the partition with the old xubuntu failed to mount and gave the above written error message
[10:44] <arpad2> in addition after the new install the grub didnt find the new distro
[10:45] <arpad2> so basically only live cd works
[10:45] <arpad2> disc check from live cd didnt gave error messages
[10:46] <Sysi> you didn't install grub when installing new xubuntu? It should be installed to MBR by default
[10:47] <Sysi> you first should probably try reinstalling grub
[10:47] <Sysi> !grub2
[10:47] <arpad2> I only did what I was instructed from the live cd
[10:48] <arpad2> and I chose to install the new distro along side the old one
[11:18] <arpad2> !grub2
[11:31] <truefx> hi
[11:31] <truefx> video and sount plays frame by frame in xubuntu  why ?
[11:32] <truefx> no matter which player i try
[11:34] <truefx> anyone here ?
[12:32] <Timewarper>  I installed the nvidia driver and now all compositing effects are disabled
[13:05] <knome> ò.o
[13:08] <Timewarper> i want to blacklist nouveau cause i use nvidia. The best way to do that is to add a nouveau.modeset=0 kernel option at grub or use my_blacklist file?
[13:10] <Sysi> both
[13:24] <TImewarper> how can i disable nvidia splash screen?
[13:25] <TheSheep> TImewarper: for the nvidia's proprietary drivers?
[13:26] <TImewarper> yes
[13:26] <TheSheep> TImewarper: I suppose that's a question for the nvidia support :/
[13:26] <TImewarper> TheSheep, how can i make the clock then show 24h
[13:26] <TImewarper> not 12
[13:27] <TheSheep> TImewarper: which one, the one in the panel?
[13:28] <TheSheep> TImewarper: right-click on it, select "preferences" and then select the format you want
[13:29] <TheSheep> TImewarper: it seems that you can include an option in your xorg.conf that prevents nvidia drivers from displaying the splash
[13:32] <TImewarper> TheSheep, i fixed the splash
[13:32] <TImewarper> still i cant find how to make the clock 24h
[13:32] <TImewarper> remove pm
[13:32] <TImewarper> i dont find any option to change the type of time
[13:33] <TheSheep> TImewarper: right click on the clock, your will get a menu that says "clock" on top and then has "Properties", "Move", "Remove" and "Panel" in it
[13:33] <TheSheep> got that?
[13:34] <TheSheep> then click on "Properties", you will get a dialog with the clock and tooltip formats
[13:36] <TImewarper> k
[14:21] <Shiupelis> Hello, I'm new in Xubuntu and IRC.
[14:22] <baizon> hello Shiupelis
[14:22] <Michi74390> hi
[14:23] <Shiupelis> I was wondering that IRC is not usable anymore :D
[14:23] <Shiupelis> But I see, that I made a misstake :D
[14:24] <Michi74390> i'm having problems with xfce4-notifyd. all of my notifications are surrounded by a black box. switching on compositing fixes the problem but then i get tearing when watching videos in vlc. also it worked without compositing earlier.
[14:24] <Michi74390> can anyone help me with this?
[14:26] <Shiupelis> While I'm istalling any kind of software of Ubuntu center, I get a blank window titled "Debcof". This is normal?
[14:27] <Michi74390> yes
[14:29] <Shiupelis> Thanks for the answer :)
[14:33] <Michi74390> np
[14:38] <Shiupelis> What command(I want to set shortcut for keyboard) should be to change keyboard layout ?
[14:42] <CiPi> Is there a program in Xubuntu to search in the whole PC?
[14:42] <CiPi> A search program something?
[14:43] <TheSheep> CiPi: catfish
[14:43] <baizon> catfish
[14:44] <baizon> or for example synaptic for searching packages
[14:44] <TheSheep> it could be renamed to catfish search or something...
[14:44] <baizon> it will be
[14:44] <baizon> in xfce 4.10
[14:44] <Shiupelis> How to set shortcut to change keyboard layout ?
[14:44] <baizon> then ALT+F2 will do that
[14:44] <Michi74390> doesn't ansone have an idea about my notification problem?
[14:44] <CiPi> Thnaks bro. Got it.
[14:44] <baizon> no sorry im using the unity indicator
[14:45] <Michi74390> :(
[14:45] <baizon> Shiupelis: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin
[14:46] <baizon> does that help?
[14:50] <holstein> Shiupelis: you want to hit a key on the keyboard that toggles between a few keyboard layouts? you want a shortcut key to the keyboard layout menu?
[14:52] <Shiupelis> Thanks bro's. Fixed :)
[14:53] <Shiupelis> I installed xkb plugin, added to my panel, and set up keyboard shortcut :)
[15:06] <baizon> np
[15:18] <GridCube> good evening people
[15:20] <baizon> hello
[15:28] <Shiupelis> Hi
[16:26] <starn> hello, i need to copy 20gb from linux partition to a ntfs 2tb external hard drive.. i can copy for the external and everything else but it won't let me copy to it.. thunar ran under admin shows it with a lock pad.. how would i go about copying these files over??
[16:27] <starn> also the files are in .wine/drive_c/program files/ area.
[16:40] <Michi74390> have you tried sudo cp -r ~/.wine/drive_c/ ... ?
[16:41] <starn> let me try that asap
[16:44] <coolmag> hey... i'm new to linux stuffs... i insallted xubuntu on an old computer with ~512MB RAM and it runs, but rather slowly
[16:44] <coolmag> Is there anyway I could speed it up?
[16:44] <starn> Michi74390: i dunno if it's working or not... i'll let ya know when i do though..
[16:45] <Michi74390> alright ;)
[16:46] <starn> so far it's just showing > []   basically how it looks..
[16:46] <Michi74390> k
[16:46] <starn> how long do you think i should wait i got 1gb ram 2.1ghz dual core... and the folder was 36gb....
[16:47] <Michi74390> starn: external drive?
[16:47] <starn> Michi74390: yes.. i think fastest i've seen it go was 16mbps...
[16:49] <Michi74390> i think my usb 2.0 drive takes like 10 - 15 minutes for that much data
[16:49] <Michi74390> not wuite sure though
[16:49] <Michi74390> *quite
[16:49] <Michi74390> coolmag: are you talking about boot time?
[16:49] <Michi74390> or application start up time?
[16:50] <coolmag> Michi74390: Like when I click the little mouseface in the upper left corner it takes about 5 seconds to respond
[16:50] <coolmag> also would using LTS be any better
[16:51] <coolmag> oh well startup is also kinda slow
[16:58] <starn> Michi74390: i don't think it is doing anything.. the folder is not getting bigger...
[17:00] <Michi74390> starn: but there was no error output?
[17:00] <starn> yea no work.. i cancled and tried a much smaller file..
[17:00] <starn> says Read-only file system :\
[17:01] <starn> Michi74390: i think it automatically mounts the drive on boot... and i don't remember how i did this.. lol
[17:02] <coolmag> oh um and now nothing is responding
[17:03] <coolmag> is there liek a key sequence to press to get something happening
[17:03] <Michi74390> you can switch to a terminal
[17:03] <Michi74390> alt+ctrl+f1
[17:03] <Michi74390> then start top
[17:04] <Michi74390> sudo top
[17:04] <Michi74390> that's a task manager
[17:04] <Michi74390> you can kill processes with k and then pid
[17:05] <coolmag> erg i forgot my login ><
[17:05] <starn> Michi74390: i got it working.. i unmounted the drive unplugged and it automatically mounted... i think it automatically mounts on bootup as a read only drive...
[17:06] <starn> Michi74390: btw i had to manually unmount for it never shows the lil unmount button or options for it..
[17:07] <Michi74390> maybe have a look at your /etc/fstab
[17:09] <starn> Michi74390: it's in there and i assume -ro is read-only so i assume i change it to o??
[17:09] <Michi74390> rw for read/write
[17:10] <starn> ok this is how it looks right now before editing /dev/sdg1                                  /media/HD-LBU2  ntfs  nls=iso8859-1,ro,umask=000  0  0
[17:12] <coolmag> is Xubuntu LTS better than the latest version?
[17:16] <Michi74390> coolmag: i've only used the latest version so i can't tell you anything about the lts
[17:16] <Michi74390> but you could try something like puppy linux or lubuntu as well
[17:16] <starn> same here.. plus factor i've only started using xubuntu after ubuntu went over to uninty..
[17:17] <coolmag> Lubuntu? what's that?
[17:17] <starn> haha i liked puppy linux i had it on a machine i had [still have] from 1995.
[17:18] <Michi74390> ^^
[17:18] <Michi74390> lubuntu is based on ubuntu and using lxde
[17:19] <Michi74390> a little leaner than xfce
[17:19] <Michi74390> but xfce has little more comfort
[17:19] <coolmag> hm does it have the Ubuntu Software Center?
[17:19] <starn> Michi74390: think i should put lubuntu on my 98?? lol use it as a small server? XD
[17:20] <Michi74390> you could put damn small linux or puppy linux on there ;)
[17:21] <Michi74390> or arch without x
[17:21] <Michi74390> who needs a gui? ;)
[17:21] <coolmag> i  hav ~512MB RAM on the machine doesn't it seem that Xubuntu should run well? :|
[17:21] <Michi74390> actually i think it should
[17:22] <Michi74390> what is the other hardware?
[17:22] <starn> haha anyways Michi74390 thanks for the help.. i actually probably would've thought ot unmount and all that fancy stuff and fstab i surely would've never touched with out your suggestion. maybe now i won't run into the issue of not being able to copy my files over :)
[17:22] <starn> doesn't xubuntu say it can run on 256mb of ram?
[17:23] <Michi74390> starn: no problem ;)
[17:23] <coolmag> Michi74390: I have no idea x.x it's a dell dimensino 4600
[17:24] <coolmag> 9 yrs old and makes rly loud noises randomly
[17:24] <Michi74390> sorry i have to go now
[17:25] <coolmag> bai bai
[17:25] <Michi74390> bye
[17:25] <starn> ok Michi74390 later mate.
[17:25] <holstein> good thing is, these are all easy to check out live
[17:25] <holstein> assuming you have the bandwidth... if you can tolerate the desktop from a LIVE cd, then it'll likely be just fine installed
[17:26] <coolmag> starn: can you fix by xubuntu T_T
[17:26] <coolmag> holstein: It ran fine with the LIVE CD
[17:27] <starn> coolmag: i am unsure.. from what i understand you have a Pentium 4.. at either 2.4 2.6 2.8 3.0ghz internally and lowest 800mhz externally..
[17:27] <coolmag> does that mean i need to use lubuntu starn  T_T
[17:27] <starn> and i don't know the specs for xubuntu just know it stated 256ram it could run but suggested 512.
[17:27] <xubuntunoob> Hi, I'm having trouble finding some of the things listed in the documentation.  In the system section of the applications menu there isnt any Network tools or Services option.  Does anyone know where I should look for them?
[17:27] <starn> it probably wouldn't hurt to try lubuntu..
[17:27] <coolmag> ya and I have 512MB
[17:28] <coolmag> :(
[17:29] <starn> holstein: do you think xubuntu would run smooth with dell dimension 4600?
[17:30] <holstein> starn: i would try it live and see... lubuntu should be fine there though
[17:30] <starn> holstein: alright i am asking for coolmag.. so yeah coolmag i would try lubuntu
[17:31] <holstein> ive used 10.04 on 512 of ram without issue
[17:32] <holstein> thats just normal buntu... xubntu runs fine there as well... i have lubuntu 11.10 installed on that machine now for testing purposes
[17:32] <holstein> works fine
[17:32] <holstein> i wouldnt edit video on it
[17:35] <xubuntunoob> I'm running xubuntu 10.10, but the documentation that came with it is 9.10.  Could someone please point me towards the 10.10 documentation?  I can't seem to find it on the xubuntu website.
[17:36] <holstein> maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/MaverickMeerkat/Final xubuntunoob
[17:36] <xubuntunoob> Thank you
[17:38] <starn> well i got 20 minutes before i am done copying files and my music is lagging so i am gonna lay down.. i'll be back later to try to help or i might have questions haha
[17:38] <starn> later everyone.
[17:43] <xubuntunoob> Ok, the documentation says to "Press Applications → System → Network Tools".  Yet when I go to systems there is no Network Tools option.  Could someone please tell where I should look for it?
[17:45] <coolmag> holstein: wuts the diff between lubuntu and xubuntu
[17:45] <holstein> coolmag: lubuntu uses LXDE, and xubuntu uses XFCE, as well as some package choices that are made...
[17:45] <holstein> xubuntunoob: what are you trying to do?
[17:45] <coolmag> holstein: does Lubuntu have that ubuntu download manager thing
[17:46] <holstein> coolmag: lubuntu uses the same repos as ubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu
[17:46] <coolmag> holstein: Also do you think if I use LTS instead of 11 it will run better?
[17:46] <holstein> it has access to whatever pacakges you would like to use
[17:46] <holstein> coolmag: better is a matter of opinion
[17:46] <coolmag> i mean will it run better on my computer that isn't running 11 well
[17:46] <xubuntunoob> holstein: I'm trying to create a samba share that I can access with a windows machine.  Its not working, and I'm trying to follow the troubleshooting advice in the documentation.
[17:46] <holstein> will it be more stable? possibly... will it be as current? no... really just depends on what you want
[17:48] <holstein> xubuntunoob: samba is a pain... i typically just make an SSH share, and connect with filezilla, or something like http://www.swish-sftp.org/ from the windows box
[17:48] <holstein> i set samba up once just to say i could, but dont expect to read a document, and just get it running in 4 or 5 minutes
[17:48] <holstein> its *not* trivial
[17:49] <holstein> xubuntunoob: for me, it was all about troubleshooting permissions
[17:49] <xubuntunoob> holstein, I've gotten samba working before on linux mint so that's why I chose it, but I'm not married to it by any means.
[17:50] <xubuntunoob> I don't suppose you know where I could find a nice simple guide on setting up a SSH share?
[17:50] <holstein> xubuntunoob: it will be just the same as on mint
[17:51] <holstein> and you *should* have access to whatever pacakges you used in mint, unless they have something special they have written, which could also be added with a PPA (i assume)
[17:51] <holstein> xubuntunoob: i run... sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[17:53] <xubuntunoob> Ok, I'll try playing with samba some more.  But if that doesn't work I'll try the SSH share.  I appreciate the help!
[17:54] <holstein> the ssh share will 'just work', but if you have a guide you used for mint/samba, feel free to share, and im sure someone can help you do the same in *buntu
[17:59] <xubuntunoob> heh, of course now the mint forums are down :/
[18:02] <coolmag> holstein: Do you think I should try Lubuntu or Xubuntu LTS next?
[18:02] <holstein> coolmag: i mean, if you have bandwidth and CD's, it literally cant hurt to try whatever LIVE
[18:03] <coolmag> holstein: Haha xD I do, but not too many CDs :) so if one works i would just stick with that, is there one that you suggest I burn first?
[18:03] <coolmag> LTS or Lubuntu
[18:04] <holstein> coolmag: you can use USB sticks to make bootable USB images
[18:04] <coolmag> OHHHH
[18:04] <coolmag> um
[18:04] <coolmag> can my 9 yr old computer boot from USB>
[18:04] <holstein> if the machine doesnt boot USB, you can use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html ...the las CD you need to ever burn :)
[18:05] <coolmag> ahhh
[18:05] <coolmag> gr8
[18:05] <coolmag> ty
[19:41] <coolmag> Xubuntu's installer thingy is all BOXES?
[19:42] <coolmag> I ran the Xubuntu installer thingy from the disc, and where there was supposed to be words everything was boxes
[19:43] <holstein> coolmag: i would confirm the install media, and the downloaded iso
[19:44] <coolmag> yeah i'm running the "check disk for defects" thing
[19:44] <coolmag> the live cd thing worked
[19:44] <holstein> coolmag: do your best to be precise
[19:44] <coolmag> are you supposed to burn the iso at a certain speed
[19:44] <holstein> the 'thing' really is not all that helpful
[19:44] <holstein> the live installer?
[19:44] <holstein> or you chose 'install' when it was booting?
[19:45] <coolmag> um the test xubuntu option
[19:45] <coolmag> i was able to run it from the CD
[19:45] <coolmag> but then when I tried to install I got the boxes
[19:45] <holstein> coolmag: at that point, you can likely take a screen shot
[19:45] <coolmag> the installation dialog?
[19:46] <holstein> of whatever the issue is... you can take a screenshot if you are in the live environment
[19:46] <holstein> you can also reboot, and choose 'install' from the main menu
[19:47] <coolmag> the problem is when i choose install
[19:47] <coolmag> http://cdn.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339295397/550/xubuntu_1-550x411.jpg
[19:47] <coolmag> so when i click the second one
[19:47] <coolmag> there's a long loading screen, and then where words should be I see boxes
[19:47] <coolmag> it looks like a font problem... I chose English
[19:48] <holstein> coolmag: OK.. so when you choose "try xubuntu without.."
[19:48] <coolmag> oh and the disc checking tool thing didn't report any defects
[19:48] <holstein> in there, you can find the installer as well
[19:48] <coolmag> that is fine.
[19:48] <coolmag> OH!
[19:48] <coolmag> Run it from there?
[19:48] <holstein> the installer, yes
[19:48] <coolmag> Ok. where is the installer in there? i didn't see it earlier
[19:48] <holstein> should be in the menu
[19:48] <holstein> i dont have a live CD open here at the moment
[19:49] <coolmag> oh
[19:49] <coolmag> now it says
[19:49] <holstein> it?
[19:50] <coolmag> "Installation failed." The installer encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try installing again."
[19:50] <holstein> the installer? the one from the main menu? or the one fromthe live CD?
[19:50] <coolmag> the installer from the live CD said that
[19:50] <holstein> coolmag: from that main menu, there are options... personally, i would test that hard drive
[19:50] <holstein> i think you said it was 'making noise'
[19:50] <holstein> not buntu will magically repair broken hardware :/
[19:51] <holstein> not yet anyways
[19:51] <coolmag> ok I'm in the live xubuntu environment
[19:51] <coolmag> um and it says
[19:51] <coolmag> "Crash report detected"
[19:51] <coolmag> and something about an application crashing but it dissapeared
[19:51] <holstein> coolmag: right... im proposing the noises you hear are the drive failing, and the crash is from that as well
[19:51] <coolmag> o.o
[19:52] <coolmag> ok I see the Insall Xubuntu icon on the desktop
[19:52] <coolmag> i tried to run it but nothing happened.
[19:53] <holstein> coolmag: if you had a fail, and you are still working in that environment, i would expect that
[19:53] <holstein> coolmag: you should find 'disk utility' in the menu
[19:54] <coolmag> in what menu?
[19:54] <coolmag> under System?
[19:54] <coolmag> i don't see it
[19:54] <holstein> i find it under 'settings'
[19:55] <holstein> that would be my next step... test the hardware
[19:55] <coolmag> Under settings, i have settings manager, removable drives and media..., scim input method setup, screensaver, settings editor
[19:55] <coolmag> that's it.
[19:55] <holstein> not sure where it is in your version
[19:55] <holstein> you can install it
[19:55] <holstein> or, get a live CD that has better diagnostic tools
[19:56] <holstein> you have a live 11.10 right?
[19:56] <holstein> thats where i find it
[19:57] <coolmag> um
[19:57] <coolmag> 10.04.3
[19:58] <holstein> right, so you can install the disk utility.. reboot using an 11.10 cd, or DL something more appropriate like http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[22:29] <TVasEyes> hi
[22:31] <TVasEyes> question regarding mount.cifs, using same command as on slackware box to mount NAS, getting error 13, any thoughts
[22:31] <kirill> hello there
[22:32] <kirill> mb sombdy can help me
[22:32] <Pici> TVasEyes: If you're on a slackware box, then the ##slackware folks would be the ones to talk to. Of course, if I misunderstood your question, then please proceed here.
[22:32] <kirill> i update my xubuntu via update manager and now my sopcast tv-maxe failure - segmentation error
[22:33] <kirill> in python tvmaxe.py
[22:33] <TVasEyes> Pici: no, am on xubuntu 11.10
[22:34] <TVasEyes> Pici: am new to xubuntu
[22:34] <Pici> TVasEyes: What command are you using then?
[22:34] <TVasEyes> Pici: mount.cifs //server/share /mnt -o guest
[22:35] <TVasEyes> Pici: works fine on slackware
[22:37] <TVasEyes> Pici: on xubuntu command results in: mount error(13): Permission denied
[22:37] <Pici> TVasEyes: are you running that with sudo?
[22:38] <TVasEyes> Pici: no, ran command as root
[22:38] <Pici> TVasEyes: You're root on xubuntu? or on slackware?
[22:39] <TVasEyes> Pici: now on xubuntu
[22:40] <TVasEyes> Pici: sorry, root on both (when mounting/unmounting the NAS)
[22:42] <neandr> Anyone having info how to upgrade Thunderbird to vers.8.0?
[22:42] <Pici> TVasEyes: try using: -o guest,sec=none
[22:43] <TVasEyes> Pici: sec for security?  is what guest does.
[22:44] <TVasEyes> Pici: tried, same result.
[22:55] <Pici> TVasEyes: I'm not sure what to suggest then, sorry.
[22:56] <TVasEyes> Pici: sigh.. thanks.  (seems I won't be listening to my mp3's tonight)
[23:24] <Lectus> is there any Linux application to watch TV online?
[23:26] <TVasEyes> Lectus: see http://www.ubuntugeek.com/zattoo-watch-online-tv-for-free.html (not tried it myself)
[23:29] <luchin> hello everybody
[23:29] <luchin> i have a problem with mi usb live xubuntu
[23:29] <luchin> when it starting to loading the system
[23:30] <luchin> this message
[23:30] <luchin> appeared
[23:31] <luchin> [9.017953] [<c1533b7e>] ? kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10
[23:31] <luchin> and others similar
[23:33] <luchin> i supossed
[23:33] <luchin> the problem is mi nvidia
[23:33] <luchin> in the boot
[23:33] <luchin> someone could help me?
[23:34] <starn> help you with what luchin ?
[23:35] <luchin> i have a problem with mi usb live xubuntu
[23:35] <luchin> when it starting to loading the system
[23:35] <luchin> this message
[23:35] <luchin> appeared
[23:35] <luchin> [9.017953] [<c1533b7e>] ? kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10
[23:41] <starn> um i am not really sure how to fix that.. some people have reported the kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10 part and said it didn't work on their netbooks but those was reports for ubuntu but they also stated using alternate install cd worked.. so you may want to search it up your self?? i am at a completely lost on how to help you.. thats kinda to advanced,
[23:41] <starn> now watch someone explain how its simple ..
[23:45] <luchin> i finally start
[23:45] <luchin> xubuntu
[23:45] <luchin> yeah
[23:45] <starn> it's working?
[23:45] <luchin> yeah
[23:45] <luchin> the trick
[23:46] <luchin> is put ACPI=off
[23:46] <luchin> in the option of startup
[23:46] <luchin> bye
[23:46] <starn> congratulations. i am happy you figured it out..
[23:47] <starn> sudo reboot
[23:47] <starn> opps


[12:33] <mhb> manchicken: hi, were you the one who asked about the kde4 meta package or is my head confused again?
[12:33] <manchicken> It was me IIRC.
[12:34] <mhb> manchicken: is it made yet?
[12:34] <manchicken> Dunno.
[12:34] <manchicken> I don't think so.  I could check I suppose.
[12:35] <manchicken> Nope.  At least not in the repos yet.
[12:37] <mhb> manchicken: we really should create one with a nice name, like "kubuntu-kde4" or something. kdelibs5 is really a confusing name for a package.
[12:38] <manchicken> Yes.
[12:38] <mhb> manchicken: thanks for the info. I'll ask Hobbsee when she arrives.
[12:38] <manchicken> kubuntu4-desktop :)
[12:38] <Riddell> copy kde-meta
[12:39] <manchicken> Riddell: Burning the midnight oil I see.
[12:40] <Riddell> oh, I'll go back to Harry Potter momentarily :)
[12:40] <mhb> manchicken: I'm +1 more than him, by the way :o)
[12:41] <manchicken> Nice.
[12:42] <manchicken> You crazy nightowl Europeans.
[12:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: a couple of questions http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6246
[04:17] <ryanakca> kmilo / kmix stays between 0% and 11% when using the keyboard volume keys... any idea why?
[04:20] <ryanakca> Ok. The mute on/off problem comes from not being able to mute PCM. So, if you select PCM as the master channel in kmix, mute won't work.
[05:14] <nixternal> ryanakca: that is the same for me
[05:14] <nixternal> Intel chipset
[05:14] <nixternal> how do you select the mast channel stuff?
[05:14] <ryanakca> right click the kmix icon in the systray, and Select Master Channel
[05:15] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:15] <nixternal> rock on!
[05:15] <ryanakca> :)
[05:15] <nixternal> now if only my vol +/- worked with PCM
[05:16] <nixternal> well, that would be nothing more than remapping the keys
[05:17] <ryanakca> my +/- doesn't work with any channel
[05:18] <nixternal> my +/- moves volume up and down
[05:18] <nixternal> it worked with Feisty perfectly, but not with Gutsy
[05:19] <ryanakca> same
[05:20] <ryanakca> Opening kmixer, and hitting the buttons (with volume values as absolute), nothing is moving.
[05:20] <nixternal> what file do you change for multimedia buttons?
[05:21] <nixternal> argh, my mute button stays on now all the time
[05:21] <ryanakca> Ouch. Umm.
[05:21] <ryanakca> No clue :)
[05:21] <nixternal> ya, when I switch it to PCM it doesn't light up
[05:22] <ryanakca> .kde/share/config/kmixrc
[05:23] <ryanakca> It can't I don't think, just a sec, I'll get a screenshot of what mine looks like
[05:25] <nixternal> I filed a bug about it, but there has been no response to it at all
[05:26] <nixternal> is there an ubuntu-audio or something channel?
[05:27] <nixternal> bug 120515
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120515 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Master volume control doesn't work, PCM only" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120515
[05:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://blog.ryanak.ca/kmix.png http://blog.ryanak.ca/kmix1.png ... those two screenies show that PCM can't be muted, but that still doesn't say why vol +/- doesn't work on it... or on any other channel for that matter
[05:29] <nixternal> holy smokes...the sound team has 313 bugs to work through...man that sucks
[05:29] <ryanakca> nixternal: best bet is probably either the ubuntu studio chan, or crimsun, (I think he is/was the audio maintainer for Ubuntu) methinks.
[05:29] <nixternal> ya, he doesn't do it anymore..god bless his little heart :)
[05:29] <nixternal> he got the Intel stuff fixed in Feisty though
[05:30] <nixternal> well changing my PCM to the master channel, I can mute it..but it does goofy things with my button
[05:32] <ryanakca> hmm. I don't think I have a master volume control... at least not in kmix or alsamixer/alsamixergui
[05:35] <ryanakca> anyways, time for bed, see yah :)
[06:23] <nixternal> bug 127944
[06:23] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org2 "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127944
[06:24] <nixternal> there you go...good boy!
[09:53] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: hey, you there?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: greetings
[09:53] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i havent tried recompiling anything
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: oh, good. Is there a chance you could test it soon then ?
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: me and Tonio_ is going to get that fade thing done, so ..
[09:56] <Hobbsee> sometime, probably :)
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: apart from krusader, was there any other applications that failed compilation?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> amarok
[10:02] <_StefanS_> uhm ok, I will test it then
[10:04] <Hobbsee> it was probably anything that was recompiled
[10:05] <Hobbsee> stdin: yay, kubuntu haters!
[10:06] <stdin> hehe, yeah
[10:06] <stdin> I wounder if they realist they don't *have* to use it??
[10:08] <Hobbsee> stdin: of course, i'm not sure if that is the case, or if it's just an incompetent user
[10:13] <Tonio_> hi
[10:13] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> someone wants to test the new kdebluetooth ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> I've finished the packages yesterday
[10:15] <Tonio_> still a bit buggy, but already better than the current one imho
[10:19] <stdin> Hobbsee: ahh, he's a debian dev. that explains the attitude :p
[10:19] <Hobbsee> stdin: hah, right
[11:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can test those bluetooth thingys
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: whats the repo url?
[11:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can never remember :)
[11:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh found it.
[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki ;)
[11:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anything particular you want me to test?
[11:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and do you have a gpg key also?
[11:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: they seems to work.. I will test using my mobile and the bluetooth mouse i've got
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you send a file on your mobile ?
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: download works for me, but uploads creates a 32KB file everytime
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: seems to be the only issue I have with it
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, so I should test an upload to the phone?
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes please
[11:25] <_StefanS_> ok
[11:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can connect my mouse and download files
[11:27] <_StefanS_> gotta logout
[11:28] <metellius> does anyone know if (when using apt's source mechanism) there is a way to compile just kwin and generating the corresponding deb without having to compile the whole kdebase tree?
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: jeeez.. .when is HIDD going to be enabled by default..
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: gotta reboot.
[11:33] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[11:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hidd is not required to connect to a mouse in fact
[11:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: dbus replaces hidd
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, thats great. But the mouse dont work now with HIDD disabled.
[11:33] <Tonio_> metellius: you cannot do that
[11:34] <Tonio_> ah ?
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: so it needs to be enabled ?
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we should change that, especially since pitti already told me he wouldn't have any problem with hidd enabled by default and security
[11:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i've never had it worked without. How would you make the initial connection to a bluetooth mouse?
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we'll discuss this toonight during the meeting, I added en entry
[11:34] <_StefanS_> ok
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: initial connection ? with kdebluetooth afaik
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: should work without hidd if my understanding is correct
[11:35] <Tonio_> dbus does the job then
[11:35] <_StefanS_> well it works now
[11:35] <_StefanS_> I needed to do a hidd --search in konsole
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes but how did you perform the connection ? wsith kdebluetooth or sing command line ?
[11:35] <_StefanS_> command line.
[11:36] <_StefanS_> kbluetooth didn't show any devices.
[11:36] <Tonio_> oki so you didn't use the modern way
[11:36] <Tonio_> ah...... so maybe it just doesn't work for you.....
[11:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but in theory, with dbus, no hidd is required afaik
[11:36] <metellius> Tonio_: I'm sure I can, it's probably just a question of how much pain i'm getting myself into :)
[11:37] <metellius> Tonio_: but according to you, it's not a supported thing to do?
[11:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hidd_enabled is not needed i can see. But the initial connection dont work without me making a hidd --search
[11:37] <Tonio_> metellius: generating a kwin deb without recompiling kdebase is just impossible, as the package splitting is done after everything has been compiled
[11:37] <Tonio_> metellius: you have to build everything
[11:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum that's not good
[11:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: how about a cellphone upload ?
[11:38] <metellius> Tonio_: ah, I see. how about first building kdebase, then modifying kwin and not having to compile kdebase all over for every little change?
[11:38] <Tonio_> metellius: you can compile kwin and just kwin, but not generate deb files
[11:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cellphone upload is 32kb as well.
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: smaller files work though.
[11:39] <Tonio_> metellius: best thing is to use ccache in pbuilder, which uses a cache to avoid rebuilding everything everytime
[11:39] <Tonio_> metellius: you'll earn about 40% of compile time, but not more
[11:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[11:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have no doubt that'll be fixed before gutsy is released
[11:39] <metellius> does dpkg-buildpackage really not use any caching at all when rebuilding?
[11:40] <Tonio_> metellius: nope it doesn't
[11:40] <Tonio_> metellius: except using ccache, for example in pbuilder
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: does the blue "bluetooth" icon light up when you use your bt mouse?
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: mine is gray even when the mouse works. Seems like it bypassed the kdebluetooth altogether
[11:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I don't have my mouse here to tell you, I'll test toonight during the meeting
[11:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I wonder if using hidd doesn't make the device unvisible with dbus
[11:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: or something like that
[11:44] <Riddell> metellius: to start compiling again without cleaning the package do  debuild -nc
[11:44] <Riddell> where debuild is dpkg-buildpackage with some extra checks (and easier to type)
[11:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: maybe... where should I query for the mouse
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cant really see it anywhere
[11:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hehe, now the bluetooth icon flashes everytime I move my mouse, but the pointer isn't :)
[11:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: also hidp doesn't seem to loaded automatically upon boot.
[11:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: which is required for the kernel to understand mouse+keyboard devices AFAIK
[11:51] <metellius> Riddell: ah, thank you. will try that
[11:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: allee did some tests reguarding to bluetooth and mice
[11:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: he might know how to make tests with dbus
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: what if you don't clean ?
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: will a second debuild only build the difference ?
[11:53] <Tonio_> I see what it does but I don't see how that'll help in building just a kwin binary deb file
[11:54] <metellius> otherwise, I guess the intended solution is to compile kwin manually while modifying, and then finally build the deb in the end
[11:55] <Riddell> it'll only build what isn't already built
[11:56] <Riddell> if you only want to compile kwin, don't compile it as a .deb
[12:02] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: rebooting with HIDD_ENABLED=1 it works without doing anything, and the bluetooth icon is blue while mouse is connected.
[12:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you see the device in the "input devices" kdebluetooth thing ?
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope, all empty.
[12:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki so it just doesn't work
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right.
[12:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I mean outside kdebluetooth is seems to work fine, but as I understand it, that method is deprecated in favour of dbus.
[12:10] <_StefanS_> is/it
[12:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, I have regressions compared to how it worked before.....
[12:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can't see any devices here, while it worked before
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh ok, want me to go back to current gutsy, and test again ?
[12:12] <fdoving> Riddell: hi. did you get my dolphin message from yesterday?
[12:13] <Riddell> fdoving: you'd best repeat it
[12:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: current gutsy might work I guess, but causes lots of issues since we have to patch bluez to make it to work
[12:14] <Tonio_> the idea with the new kdebluetooth is to use the now standard dbus interface
[12:14] <fdoving> Riddell: i have a modified dolphin package ready for upload. Removed the isoservice.desktop servicemenu file from the installed package, as the syntax of the file is incorrect and if i fix it it doesn't do anything. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/archive/gutsy/
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I could see my device 2 weeks ago, so I suspect a big regression on that point
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it should have worked better
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm yes
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: new revision sync, I'll rebuild packages in a moment
[12:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, I will test as soon you're ready
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_:
[12:15] <Tonio_> C    kbluetooth/trayicon.cpp
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kinputwizard/inputwizard.cpp
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kinputwizard/inputwizard.h
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kinputwizard/inputdialog_ext.ui
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kbluelock/main.cpp
[12:15] <Tonio_> U    kbluelock/kbluelock.cpp
[12:15] <Tonio_> here is the difference
[12:16] <_StefanS_> err.. thats not much :)
[12:16] <_StefanS_> it will probably not make any difference
[12:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: probably not
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: we could always try to trace down that empty listview... maybe its just a enumeration of available devices that doesn't make it into that list
[12:18] <_StefanS_> a/an
[12:18] <_StefanS_> damn keyboard :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: should be a big big issue
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: damn, gotta fix that fglrx first
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lol
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i know, its hard to fix fglrx :)
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: damn ATi drivers
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hopefully they'll go opensource soon
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yeah.. when pigs start flying.
[12:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I heard about that, but I beleive it when I see ti
[12:21] <Riddell> fdoving: uploaded, thanks
[12:21] <fdoving> Riddell: great, thank you :)
[12:22] <Riddell> fdoving: do you know if anything can be done about the information given for icon in media:/ in dolphin?
[12:23] <fdoving> Riddell: like some device-specific icon? or what do you have in mind?
[12:26] <Riddell> fdoving: at the moment it just has a blank icon and no information, it should have the same icon in the media view and some information (like disk used level)
[12:27] <fdoving> ah.. the information sidebar-thing.
[12:28] <Riddell> yep
[12:28] <fdoving> i don't know, but i can have a quick look.
[01:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm looking at the discoverDevices() for libkbluetooth now, hope I'll find something
[01:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: great
[01:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: works for me concerning the devices like phones, I can see them
[01:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: only the input devices box stays empty
[01:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, Is there a generic way to turn debug on for stuff in debuild?
[01:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: instead of changing each makefile, I mean
[01:42] <fdoving> #DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS += nostrip
[01:42] <fdoving> #DEB_STRIP_EXCLUDE = mailody
[01:42] <fdoving> replace mailody with the app name. i guess.
[01:42] <_StefanS_> ok thx
[01:43] <fdoving> binary name i mean.
[01:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: talking about the build debug or the app debug ?
[01:45] <Tonio_> sorry but I don't get you there
[01:45] <fdoving> app debug.
[01:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: isn't deb_configure_extra_flags what you need ?
[01:46] <fdoving> i think DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS works too.
[01:46] <Tonio_> oki
[01:46] <fdoving> atleast that's what i've been using on mailody.
[01:47] <Tonio_> cdbs_kde_enable_debug
[01:47] <Tonio_> should also do the trick readong to kde.mk
[01:47] <fdoving> ok, there are probably more ways to do it too :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> fdoving: ahhhhhhh that's where the nostrip is uses indeee
[01:48] <Tonio_> indeed
[01:48] <Tonio_> ifneq (,$(findstring nostrip,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)))
[01:48] <Tonio_>  49         cdbs_kde_enable_final =
[01:48] <Tonio_>  50         cdbs_kde_enable_debug = --enable-debug=yes
[01:48] <Tonio_>  51 else
[01:48] <Tonio_>  52         cdbs_kde_enable_debug = --disable-debug
[01:48] <Tonio_>  53 endif
[01:48] <Tonio_> you're right
[01:48] <Tonio_> but configure_extra_flags might also work
[01:49] <fdoving> uhm.. kdevelop crashed my X.
[01:53] <fdoving> Riddell: we need to do some hacking to sort that d3lphin information sidebar-issue. The problem is much related to the media:/device beeing recognized as a Folder (??), not media/hdd_mounted etc. not sure why.
[01:54] <fdoving> the service menus does recognize the correct mime-type.. so something is fishy.
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good, I'll use that cdbs
[01:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: then use what fdoving said
[02:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it seems to compile with debug info now.
[02:02] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[02:02] <_StefanS_> brb
[02:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I keep getting this error: kinputwizard: libkbluetooth: getStringList(): Method "ListDevices" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.input.Manager" doesn't exist
[02:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and ends up with a null list
[03:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you there?
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I found some clues...
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: /etc/bluetooth/input.service is missing, and thus the dbus lookup fails for the ActivateService("input").
[03:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: also fc8 rpm's mentions /etc/bluetooth/serial.service as well, but I'm not sure how that relates to bluetooth (phone modem?)
[03:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: interesting, can be due to the package splitting
[03:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd-service-input doesnt exist either.
[03:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://fr2.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/fedora/devel/i386/bluez-utils-3.12-1.fc8.i386.html
[03:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: with the new releases, it is possible that I miss some of them
[03:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think so.
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: how to perform a dh_install --fix-missing within pbuilder ?
[03:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I got some debug output for you aswell, but maybe we (you?) should just wait until these files are in place.
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is a bit boring building with debuild before testing in pbuilder.....
[03:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well keep that in mind, I'll be there toonight for testing, before and after the meeting
[03:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, I gotta figure out the local time for that meeting
[03:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 21 UTC
[03:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: argh, thats at 23.00 local time. I will not make it, gotta get my sleep
[03:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can we look at some stuff before that ?
[03:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: don't think so as I'll spend 2 hours in the train before that....
[03:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: --fix-missing?  what's that?
[03:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll be at home on contrib day al tomorrow, come on then :)
[03:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tomorrow it is
[03:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: inability to do --list-missing is my main reason why I don't use pbuilder much
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/fix/list :)
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't we simply add that to kde.mk ?
[03:28] <Riddell> yes probably, but then if there are missing files you can't add them (without re-doing the whole compile)
[03:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: and that, you can do combining debuild -cn and list-missing, am I right ?
[03:30] <Riddell> dh
[03:30] <Riddell> tsk
[03:30] <Riddell> you can run dh_install --list-missing  manually until you've fixed all the problems
[03:30] <Riddell> then debuild -nc
[03:30] <Tonio_> interesting ;)
[03:30] <Riddell> then you gamble on doing it in pbuilder to see if it's really perfect and just uploading without a final check
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that's what causing me problems
[03:31] <Riddell> dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing   depending on how it has been packaged
[03:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: you could get a ppa and upload it there for the final check
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: not for initial packaging, as splitting is easy, but to manage an already splitted package, aka kdebase, for example, pbuilder is a pain....
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test that way
[03:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can send you the debug output as well if you need it?
[03:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: please do
[03:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: there you go. Hope you can make sense of it :)
[03:36] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anyways I think its just that input.service and the library accompaniyng it
[03:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will install fc8 just to test it
[03:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ofcourse the problems appear to be in bluez-utils ..
[03:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, of course
[03:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the original one on bluez.org has the input.service in there I can see..
[03:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so must some packaging
[03:58] <_StefanS_> must be
[04:21] <manchicken> Morning everybody.
[04:47] <Riddell> anyone noticed this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/128537
[04:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128537 in kopete "kopete grabs all memory/CPU when triggered by unrelated file I/O" [Undecided,New]
[05:11] <bddebian> Heya
[05:11] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[05:11] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca
[05:13] <manchicken> Nooooooo!  Tabs!
[05:13] <manchicken> That's much better :)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nope, i cant reproduce that
[05:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: in gutsy?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes
[05:20] <Riddell> thanks
[05:21] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:29] <nixternal> mornin'
[05:30] <ScottK> Howdy.
[05:34] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[05:34] <nixternal> boo!
[05:34] <nixternal> howdy
[05:34] <nixternal> where have you been hiding?
[06:42] <ryanakca> Can someone help me test what I'm guessing is a bug in I-don't-know-what?
[06:44] <ryanakca> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup , and fill in your setup info (keyboard, encoding, etc), and then when you get to Terminus/VGA/Fixed/TerminusBold/etc, pick a random one, and then a random font size (smaller the better). Then logout, log back in, go to X, and back to the VT. Hit enter a couple times, does your prompt go off the bottom of the screen?
[06:46] <Tonio_> anyone fancy testing kdebluetooth dbus version ?
[06:46] <Tonio_> I just got bluez fixed to work with it :)
[07:13] <stdin> hmm, why does kubuntu-grub-splashimages change /boot/grub/menu.lst to 600 ?
[07:49] <manchicken> Damnit, KDE accessibility turned on the number pad mouse keys again.
[07:49] <manchicken> ALT-F12 doesn't seem to be disabling it anymore either.
[07:49] <Riddell> I don't have any number pad mouse keys
[07:50] <manchicken> It just randomly turns on.
[07:51] <manchicken> And it doesn't seem to respect the keys.
[08:06] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm. After today's upgrade, now my vol +/-/mute keys work, except I don't see kmilo.
[09:43] <alesan> what image is that displayed at the login?
[09:43] <alesan> while logging in I mean
[09:43] <alesan> with all the icons that flash and get colored
[09:43] <Riddell> it's ksplash-moodin-theme
[09:44] <alesan> thanks
[09:44] <Riddell> as with most things the kubuntu branding is in kubuntu-default-settings
[09:44] <alesan> so many packages :)
[09:44] <Riddell> also be careful of the cache it keeps in ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash if changing anything
[09:44] <alesan> I am building a new version of the livecd
[09:44] <alesan> so I don't think I should mind that :)
[09:45] <Riddell> alesan: what are you changing about the live cd?
[09:46] <alesan> I will install some more packages and drivers
[09:46] <alesan> for a product of my company (it's a kind of small X-server for multiuser systems)
[09:47] <alesan> I'd like to add a tiny logo of the company near the ubuntu one
[09:47] <Riddell> product that you're selling?
[09:47] <alesan> what do you mean?
[09:47] <alesan> the device of the ubuntu cd?
[09:48] <alesan> kubuntu cd
[09:48] <alesan> s/of/or
[09:48] <alesan> the device of course we are selling it :) that's our company only product more or less
[09:49] <alesan> we sell to schools mainly in the developing countries
[09:50] <alesan> would you like more info?
[09:50] <Riddell> sure, sounds exciting
[09:50] <alesan> www.ncomputing.com
[09:50] <alesan> we have two main products
[09:51] <Riddell> if you're selling it with some kubuntu branding still in place you need to get a trademark licence, which is available at no cost
[09:51] <alesan> one is a PCI board that can give you 3 stations (you can put two such boards for 6 stations)
[09:51] <alesan> other is a LAN product that can be connected anyware in a network (also over WAN)
[09:52] <alesan> Riddell, we already have contacts for marketing and branding
[09:52] <Riddell> with canonical?
[09:52] <alesan> I am developing this for internal use (for now)
[09:53] <alesan> Riddell, yes, it seems our CEO has a direct contact in canonical or similar
[09:53] <Riddell> groovy
[09:54] <alesan> ~dict groovy
[09:54] <alesan> no dict bot here :)
[09:54] <Riddell> "excellent" :)
[09:54] <Riddell> but more 1970s
[09:54] <alesan> "tubular" is also a meaning of that word. ?!?
[09:55] <alesan> is Kubuntu still "under" canonical right? or not?
[09:55] <Riddell> depends what you mean, it's all free software
[09:55] <alesan> yes but the trademark?
[09:55] <Riddell> that's Canonical's
[09:55] <Riddell> but as I say it's licenced at no cost in almost all cases
[09:56] <alesan> I like KDE much more and I can't stand gnome :) that's way I'm pushing Kubuntu
[09:56] <Riddell> :)
[10:00] <alesan> my god how can people work with gnome's dialog boxes for "save as"
[10:00] <alesan> it's most inefficient
[10:00] <Tonio_> yop
[10:01] <Tonio_> hum, meeting is tomorrow, stupid of me....
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Kdissert is no more?
[10:30] <sebastienb> hi
[10:32] <DaSkreech> Yo
[10:32] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: Still in the packaging groove?
[10:52] <mhb> ryanakca: hey, how's your artist ambition?
[10:52] <mhb> ryanakca: did you make a nicer kdm login screen?
[10:53] <mhb> ryanakca: I'm really looking forward to it, it's always a terrifying experience when switching from the lovely upslash to kdm :o)
[10:54] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[10:54] <DaSkreech> How terrifying
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Never mind Semantik is a KDE4 App
[11:18] <DaSkreech> Is there somewhere with a list of kio URLs in Konqueror
[11:24] <fdoving> DaSkreech: kinfocenter -
[11:24] <fdoving> > protocols
[11:36] <nixternal> ryanakca: still don't work for me
[11:37] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Thanks
[12:06] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: yep, anything in mind?
[12:07] <ryanakca> mhb: Umm. kwwii said he was working on a new Kubuntu icon, so I dunno if he's finished it yet. If he has, I wouldn't mind tinkering with it a bit and sending him a few proposals :)
[12:07] <ryanakca> nixternal: with PCM, or another channel?
[12:07] <nixternal> either
[12:08] <ryanakca> Hmm. odd. both work here, kmilo is all that's missing. Seems to be a rather finniky issue...
[12:08] <kwwii> ryanakca: I haven't done any work on it yet - feel free to do so if you wish
[12:08] <kwwii> mhb: wassup with the website?
[12:10] <ryanakca> kwwii: okies, Ummm... do you have a particular color palette/scheme/etc that I should use? or take colors from the background/etc?
[12:10] <ryanakca> s/take/just take/g
[12:10] <kwwii> ryanakca: feel free to change things as you wish
[12:11] <kwwii> I've thought about using the black version from the usplash as wlel
[12:11] <kwwii> well
[12:11] <nixternal> argh this stupid bug is killing me
[12:13] <nixternal> hehe
[12:13] <Tm_T> there's weapon, kill that bug
[12:13] <nixternal> not that kind of bug :)
[12:13] <nixternal> our kind of bug
[12:14] <Tm_T> you mean, aaa
[12:14] <Tm_T> use that, kill that crook


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[17:50] <flocculant> wxl: I can see result pages
[17:51] <wxl> yeah but you can't report new results
[17:52] <flocculant> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/163834/testcases/1310/results
[17:53] <wxl> ah wrong build
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[01:19] <veebers> elopio: you around still? Quick question, difflines 110, 119: is there a reason you're doing it this way and not using make_fake_object method (from that same test file?)