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[00:51] <robru> hggdh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1072509 shouldn't this one be 'opinion' rather than 'confirmed'?
[00:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1072509 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Gnome Shell/Classic is Unable To Provide Accelerated Experience" [Low,Confirmed]
[00:52] <TheLordOfTime> mfisch was the one that removed won't fix, perhaps he should be asked?
[00:52] <TheLordOfTime> he/she/
[01:07] <hggdh> looking
[01:09] <hggdh> robru: on that I agree with TheLordOfTime, even more cuz mfisch knows what he is doing. But I fail to see what impact/usage it would have on nexus7
[01:09]  * TheLordOfTime smiles since he was right.
[01:10] <robru> hggdh, exactly, I just want to get it off the list of "confirmed nexus7 bugs" since it's not really relevant to what we're trying to accomplish with the nexus7 ;-)
[01:10] <TheLordOfTime> .... eurgh, i just read something i never thought i'd see on the ubuntu wiki... one of the codename suggestions for S
[01:11] <TheLordOfTime> robru, i think you should consult with mfisch on this one.  just because he/she's the one that changed it from Won't Fix.
[01:11] <robru> will ping mfisch then
[01:11] <hggdh> robru: I fundamentally agree with you...
[01:11] <TheLordOfTime> we've probably pinged them several times :P
[01:11] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: its a he
[01:11] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, can't tell, LP times out right now
[01:11]  * TheLordOfTime hates flaky train wifi
[01:11] <hggdh> heh
[01:12] <robru> how important is it that I really ping mfisch? it seems pretty cut and dry to me that it simply should not be confirmed.
[01:14] <robru> it has associated upstream bugs that are status 'new' under other projects, the nexus7 aspect should just be opinion, I feel rather strongly actually
[01:14] <robru> it's not like this bug is going to die, just the nexus7 aspect of it
[01:18] <robru> meh, emailed mfisch
[02:07] <mfisch> my ears are burning
[02:09] <mfisch> robru: you still around?
[02:10] <robru> mfisch, yep
[02:11] <mfisch> robru: so the thinking on that bug was that while it didn't really fit our goals, as you stated, that we'd accept fixes for anyone who wanted to send them. It's a valid bug, but not one we really care about fixing.  I'm not sure in what state that leaves it in except where it is now.
[02:12] <robru> mfisch, well, my concern is that it's marked as confirmed *specifically for the nexus7 project*, which is wrong. mark it as 'confirmed' under gnome-shell or gnome-session or something, but mark it as 'opinion' just for the nexus7 project
[02:12] <mfisch> robru: okay, I'll agree to that
[02:13] <robru> mfisch, also, it has links to upstream bugs, which is good. ;-)
[02:13] <mfisch> yep
[02:13] <robru> mfisch, ok, do you want to change it or should I?
[02:13] <mfisch> robru: you if you don't mind, I'm about to put my kid to bed
[02:14] <robru> no worries. I'm triaging! ;-)
[02:14] <robru> (first day triaging)
[02:14] <mfisch> triaging is a great way to learn about ubuntu
[02:14] <mfisch> I also appreciate hggdh's idea that I know what I'm doing, it is sometimes correct
[02:15] <mfisch> robru: The Ubuntu Nexus7 Team - Joined 3 hours ago   <- welcome
[02:16] <robru> mfisch, thanks. achiang asked me to help out with triaging so I am, because my Desktop Team workload is a bit low over the holidays.
[03:09] <robru> hggdh, still around?
[03:14] <hggdh> robru: indeed. A bit carried over on wisky, but still cognisant. I think
[03:15] <robru> hggdh, ok, just curious about a simple issue. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1068672 so here, cwayne18 has marked it 'confirmed', but since then much more info has been added. it seems like a well-defined task to me, so I marked it as 'triaged'. just wanted to make sure that was appropriate.
[03:15] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1068672 in ubuntu-nexus7 "webcam support" [Medium,Triaged]
[03:15] <robru> (I think I'm getting the hang of this)
[03:16] <hggdh> robru: looking
[03:17] <hggdh> robru: yes, it is certainly triaged
[03:17] <robru> hggdh, thanks ;-)
[03:17] <hggdh> robru: and yes, you are getting there :-)
[03:25]  * hggdh considers this a good end-of-day, and limits self to another wisky
[03:36]  * chilicui2 hugs everyone in case tomorrow finish the world
[11:28] <Maccer> It seems that a previously fixed regression has now regressed again: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/295832
[11:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 295832 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Alsa does not honor pcm.!default because of /usr/share/alsa/pulse.conf" [Low,Fix released]


[13:59] <n0wje> goog morning all
[14:12] <protonchris> n0wje: Good morning.  I am glad to hear that you got your minecraft server up and running.
[14:40] <n0wje> good morning and yes it is fun. now I have to set it up to auto start or leve it running.
[14:41] <n0wje> P2 600mhz 1gb of ram with 2 users for the home. I get a error on time and sever overload somtimes.
[14:42] <n0wje> base install of ubuntu 10.04 lts
[14:42] <n0wje> Server that is.
[20:20] <mneptok> hehehe. vital services.


[01:47] <watertonian> grrr...
[01:47] <watertonian> any way to tell the german bot @ <IP_ADDRESS> to knock it off already?  Where are my manners? Congratulations!
[14:41] <h00k> twopoint718: Hah, thanks :)
[14:59] <h00k> So.
[14:59] <h00k> Global Jam.
[14:59] <twopoint718> Um yeah, so when is that?
[14:59] <h00k> Sept 2-4
[15:00] <h00k> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/567/detail/
[15:05] <twopoint718> Yeah, I think we could do something.  I can't think of a venue right off the top of my head, but I could look around for places at the university here.
[15:08] <h00k> There's a coffee shop here that I could use
[15:09] <h00k> Even if we have separate venues, whatever, we could do bug-testing, packaging, translations, docs, testing, upgrade, etc
[15:13] <twopoint718> I would really like to have an "install fest" sort of event but I think that would require tables and a venue.  I'll look into it.  We have a MadLUG mtg. this weekend and I'll pick brains then.
[15:14] <twopoint718> Or is it more a "work on Ubuntu" sort of thing?
[15:40] <h00k> the Global Jam is more of a work-on-ubuntu thing, but an install-fest could be done separately
[16:12] <twopoint718> aha. Okay, I'll discuss it anyway.  I've found that IRC is not available at MadLUG's meeting location which is kinda :/
[16:13] <twopoint718> ...which just means that I tend to forget to mention wilug/ubuntu stuff while at meetings.  Otherwise, I'd live-chat them.
[17:02] <mikeputnam> i find it really difficult to live-chat in-person gatherings to irc
[17:02] <h00k> It's true
[17:02] <mikeputnam> meeting solely on irc is much easier
[17:02] <h00k> We do have Google Hangout, as well
[17:02] <mikeputnam> or meeting solely in person
[17:02] <h00k> voice/video/faces/etc
[17:02] <mikeputnam> but both is fail
[17:03] <h00k> We proposed last year to do like...an hourly, or maybe once-daily check-in
[17:03] <h00k> on IRC
[17:03] <h00k> just to give a headsup/whatsgoingon
[17:04] <twopoint718> It's funny but nobody can seem to agree on the One True Communication Platform.
[17:04] <mikeputnam> nothing can compete with the social bandwidth of in-person
[17:05] <twopoint718> There's people than *never* show up at meetings no matter what you do as an organizer.
[17:07] <h00k> ^ This is very accurate
[17:08] <twopoint718> I'm not complaining... but there are a bunch of people that want the MadLUG meetings to be taped because they can't make it.  I've heard from way more people saying they can't make it than those that can.
[17:09] <twopoint718> So I guess we need some sort of cyber/meatspace bridge.
[17:09] <mikeputnam> newlug sort of does that. they video the presentation, but then don't video the after-discussion
[17:09] <h00k> Right-o
[17:10] <twopoint718> I'm going to attempt to video record this upcoming Android talk. We'll see how that goes.
[17:11] <h00k> I saw that coming up, I'd be interested in it
[17:11] <h00k> my arduinos and all, see if I can't finish a project
[17:11] <mikeputnam> personally, i've found i can only extend myself so far with regard to reaching out to people in these communities. one person cannot do all/be all.
[17:11] <twopoint718> Doug has some older MadLUG videos here: http://www.ustream.tv/user/douglasawh/videos
[17:12] <mikeputnam> it's worth talking about reaching out, but more in the hopes that someone else will help out
[17:12] <twopoint718> I've been trying to visit other meetups and user groups in the area (like Perl, Ruby, Web Dev., Python etc.) and mention that MadLUG exists
[17:13] <mikeputnam> http://blip.tv/newlug
[17:13] <twopoint718> Yeah at some point you have to hope that you reach "outreach chain reaction" where other people (beside yourself) mention the group to others
[17:14] <twopoint718> I'm also exploring the idea of doing radio ads at WORT 89.9 FM here in Madison
[17:15] <mikeputnam> i'm at odds over the specificity of all these groups and the unappeal of a general "tech" group.
[17:15] <twopoint718> (these newlug videos look cool, thanks!)
[17:16] <mikeputnam> i'd love to attend all the groups you menioned above, but never could.  yet if there was a generic tech group that touch all those subjects i'd probably still not go because some of the time the topic wouldn't interest me.
[17:17] <twopoint718> I think that, perhaps counterintuitively, the *more* specific groups have wider appeal.
[17:17]  * mikeputnam contradicts himself
[17:17] <h00k> It's super-hard up in this area
[17:17] <h00k> to find people with similar interests
[17:18] <h00k> (technology, etc)
[17:18] <mikeputnam> yeah. low population density is depressing for technology enthusiasts.
[17:18] <mikeputnam> thats why i moved from Manitowoc, WI to Appleton, WI
[17:18] <twopoint718> Amazing: "if there was a generic tech group that touch all those subjects i'd probably still not go because some of the time the topic wouldn't interest me"  <-- I'll call it the user-group paradox
[17:18] <h00k> LRN 2 NEW THINGS
[17:18] <h00k> .15
[17:19] <h00k> er,
[17:19] <h00k> was trying to switch irssi windows
[17:19] <twopoint718> lol, nice
[17:21] <twopoint718> I think moving is probably a good idea in some cases. Otherwise, you're just fighting the flow too much
[17:25] <mikeputnam> so i occasionally attend NEWLUG meetings, and more often attend DHMN meetings, yet i still yearn to talk shop with coders/developers.
[17:25] <mikeputnam> on the lug side it seems more sysadmin-y and on the DHMN side physical hacks/makes are prevalent
[17:26] <mikeputnam> but i cannot fit another group into my limited time for such things
[17:26] <mikeputnam> appleton-coders-club or somesuch
[17:26] <twopoint718> I've noticed that the most popular LUG meetings tend to be sysadmin-centric
[17:27] <mikeputnam> irc has been sort of satiating re: coder talk
[17:27] <twopoint718> for coding stuff, yeah, I visit things like the Madison Python Group or (recently) Mad Clojure (awesome!)
[17:27] <mikeputnam> :/
[17:28] <mikeputnam> fox valley only has .Net User group and a Java group that meets intermittently
[17:28] <mikeputnam> i've attended the java group a few times
[17:28] <mikeputnam> but they are so enterprisey that it's tedious
[17:29] <mikeputnam> it would be fun to start a group that does code for charity or municpalities or the public library or something
[17:30] <mikeputnam> tangible code projects
[17:30] <h00k> that's a pretty cool idea
[17:30] <mikeputnam> instead of just talking about other code projects
[17:30] <mikeputnam> i think of Greg Tracy's http://smsmybus.com
[17:31] <mikeputnam> or refurbing computers for installation at the library
[17:31] <mikeputnam> something
[17:31] <twopoint718> Yeah, that's a good idea.  I like the idea of hackathons or code sprints where a bunch of people show up for N hours on a single day and all work on something. It's fun comraderie and stuff gets done
[17:33] <twopoint718> I've been thinking about a "codecrawl" which is a hackathon/pub crawl
[17:33] <mikeputnam> something where you can stand back and say "We accomplished $FOO." instead of "We talked about $FOO."
[17:33] <mikeputnam> ha
[17:33] <mikeputnam> i would do poorly at that.
[17:33] <mikeputnam> my code skills go downhill fast with > 1 beverage
[17:33] <mikeputnam> it would be fun though
[17:34] <h00k> You have to get to that ballmer-peak
[17:34] <h00k> That's where my creativity comes out
[17:34] <mikeputnam> ha
[17:34] <h00k> http://xkcd.com/323/
[17:34] <twopoint718> In the codecrawl it's *all* about the Ballmer peak
[17:34] <twopoint718> haha, you beat me to it.
[17:35] <h00k> ;)
[17:36] <mikeputnam> that would be hilarious. get a case of beer. when it's all gone everyone jump in on TopCoder and compete
[17:36] <h00k> :D
 *SLAM!* {BELCH}  Write an app that uses Twitter and posts bash.org quotes to Google+  GO!
[17:39] <twopoint718> I wrote a little sketch of what I thought it would be: https://sencjw.com/blog.html#2011-06-21
[17:39] <twopoint718> (please excuse the self-signed certificate)
[17:39]  * h00k proceeds anyway
[17:40] <twopoint718> I think my new ISP is blocking port 80... so 443 it is.
[17:41] <mikeputnam> ha! excellent: "The generated site is hosted on a SheevaPlug plug computer. This is a low-powered SOC server using between three and seven watts."
[17:42] <twopoint718> Yeah, that's another little project of mine, I've been hyping these plug computers
[17:42] <h00k> Those are pretty cool.
[17:42] <twopoint718> I sent out an email offering to help any of my friends that want to set one up.
[17:42] <h00k> I'm looking for a small appliance that will be a tftp-hpa server, I considered a sheeva-plug type deal
[17:43] <twopoint718> ala Eben Moglen's project: http://freedomboxfoundation.org/
[17:43] <twopoint718> they have a really capable one out now for about $150, much better than the original sheevaplug
[17:43] <h00k> Is thtat the guguplug or dreamplug?
[17:44] <h00k> *guru
[17:44] <h00k> I forget which. Apparently doesn't have the heat issues
[17:45]  * twopoint718 looks at site
[17:45] <h00k> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx
[17:45] <twopoint718> oh maybe it was this: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-8-d2plug.aspx but that's now $250
[17:47] <twopoint718> guru plug's probably the way to go unless you need to have it connected via wi-fi or something
[17:47] <h00k> I'm just looking for something on the network that will be reliable, and able to serve tftp-hpa
[17:48] <h00k> I think I'd use two, and then use CARP for high-availability
[17:48] <twopoint718> I've been running my sheevaplug non-stop for months.  I have no real complaints.
[17:49] <twopoint718> It does HTTPD and SMTPD, I was trying to run my own jabber server but I never really saw too much of a need
[17:50] <twopoint718> Oh, I guess it does a little of SAMBA sharing also (via an external USB HDD enclosure)
[17:50] <h00k> ah, cool
[17:56] <mikeputnam> twopoint718: your blog is grossly omitting an RSS feed for me to consume
[17:56] <twopoint718> Yeah, sorry it's still a WIP.
[17:57] <twopoint718> I have to write an RSS template and then slurp blog posts into that.
[17:57] <mikeputnam> ;)
[17:58] <mikeputnam> also http://beagleboard.org/hardware
[17:58] <mikeputnam> if you are talking $150 range
[18:02] <twopoint718> Those look pretty cool too!
[18:02] <mikeputnam> ooo  Android on a beagleboard : http://www.youtube.com/0xlab
[18:04] <mikeputnam> and misc other beagleboard projects:  http://beagleboard.org/project
[18:09] <twopoint718> This one piqued the Neal Stephenson fan in me: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/beagleboard-finds-new-purpose-in-diy-wearable-computer/
[18:12] <mikeputnam> nice
[18:13] <h00k> that is pretty cool
[18:13] <mikeputnam> i want glasses  that project the display on the inside of the lenses so you can see through the display while you run over the pedestrian you are hitting
[18:14] <h00k> I want glasses like in Daemon and Freedom
[18:15] <twopoint718> mikeputnam: I think it would be a while before people got around to making laws regarding wearcomps
[18:15] <mikeputnam> yes and yes
[18:15] <h00k> They're still trying to figure out software patents
[18:20] <mikeputnam> i want to be able to have my desk lamp turn off when my phone notices that i'm more than 100 yards from the office
[18:20] <mikeputnam> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/adk.html
[18:21] <mikeputnam> and apply that to devices at home. like kick in the thermostat for preset temp
[18:21] <mikeputnam> or light up an LED; dad's on his way home
[18:24] <mikeputnam> with Android Open Accessory Dev Kit basically Google is formalizing an Android -> Arduino protocol
[18:24] <mikeputnam> many possibilities
[18:24] <twopoint718> Yeah that looks cool. I've been looking for a way to hook up a USB keyboard to my Nexus S for a while now
[18:25] <twopoint718> As near as I can tell, the hardware supports it (the USB chip is host-mode capable) and there are drivers in the kernel for keyboards and stuff, but I haven't seen a working example
[18:25] <twopoint718> I have a very specific USB keyboard/mouse that I want to use with it
[18:27] <mikeputnam> http://hackaday.com/2011/08/03/microsofts-attempt-at-an-arduino-killer-feels-like-a-gimmick/
[19:58] <mikeputnam> i think a fun experiment would be to remove all manners of printing/faxing/photocopying/stickies/notepads/notebooks/pens/pencils from the office for a month and see how people adapt
[19:58] <mikeputnam> (considering they all have laptops/email/im/phones)
[20:00] <mikeputnam> from a non-revenue generating area like corporate, eliminating all those costs would be significant
[20:01] <mikeputnam> i bet some of the staunch paper wasters would bring in their own paper
[20:02] <mikeputnam> like the ones that print out every meeting agenda and keep them in a binder
[20:03] <mikeputnam> or the ones that do their code diffs via printing an highlighters


[14:26] <BugzBunny> Hi @Odd_Bloke and @smoser. I just woke up and read this, not sure if I am going to work on this but when I touch this
[14:26] <BugzBunny> I'll have 'cloud-init collect-logs' in mind
[14:26] <BugzBunny> work on this today that is


[07:01] <mup> Bug #1999368 opened: [3.3.0 RC] wrong DNS records <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1999368>
[07:07] <mup> Bug #1999368 changed: [3.3.0 RC] wrong DNS records <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1999368>
[07:10] <mup> Bug #1999368 opened: [3.3.0 RC] wrong DNS records <cdo-qa> <cdo-release-blocker> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1999368>
[14:47] <mup> Bug #1999403 opened: unable to compose VM from Ubuntu 22.04 pod <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1999403>
[16:23] <mup> Bug #1996065 opened: CLI errors when redirecting the output to a file <MAAS:Fix Committed by alexsander-souza> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1996065>


[03:00] <Stemming78> Installing new Mythbox (Backend w/ Frontend)...  Have 2 disks.  Cannot recall how to setup the drives - i.e Disk 1 ("/")     Second Disk:  Swap and /Var
[03:01] <Stemming78> At the setup screen now - using MANUAL
[03:01] <Stemming78> bump
[03:09] <Stemming78> nevermind....  found documentation...
[04:37] <newmythh> when I have multiple tuner cards, do I have to manually change video sources to use a different card?
[04:40] <hads> Depends
[04:42] <newmythh> do tell
[04:55] <hads> What would you like to be told?
[05:05] <newmythh> Depends
[05:08] <hads> Nothing I see.
[18:36] <Joker_-_> foxbuntu: thx for the modelines but I think I tryed that already and got stuck when the driver said it was ignoring these lines...
[18:36] <Joker_-_> foxbuntu: what are the other difference between xubuntu and mythbuntu?
[18:37] <Joker_-_> foxbuntu: (I'm referring to what I said yesterday: "Mythbuntu == xubuntu with myth-tv preconfigured" ?
[23:44] <cohn> hi


[21:30] <trijntje> Hi all, any news on the screenshot server?
[22:39] <daker> hi
[22:39] <daker> trijntje, ask jenkins
[22:49] <nisshh> jenkins, ping
[22:50] <jenkins> pong
[22:50] <nisshh> jenkins, what is happening with the tex live PPA?
[22:51] <jenkins> there will not be a new one for ages yet as 2010 has not been packaged
[22:52] <nisshh> jenkins, ah ok, any idea when that will be?
[22:52] <jenkins> I am afraid not it depends on how much time the debian latex team has
[22:52] <nisshh> jenkins, ah ok, so your waiting for it to get packaged upstream in debian?
[22:53] <jenkins> basicaly yes. the wait is because they are re writing how they do the packageing, so i can't just run some scripts at the moment as they have not made the new ones yet.
[22:54] <nisshh> jenkins, i see, can you let me know when you have got the PPA up then?
[22:54] <jenkins> will do nisshh, i expect a couple of months
[22:54] <nisshh> yeah
[22:54] <nisshh> that is annoying
[22:54] <nisshh> waiting on upstream :(
[22:56] <jenkins> yea sorry its far to complex to package my self, i just update the source that the packages are created from normally
[23:00] <nisshh> jenkins, ah ok, i can imagine it would be complex, thanks
[23:05] <jenkins> :)
[23:16] <flan> godbyk, 10.04's been ported to the new server.
[23:16] <flan> http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/10-04
[23:17] <flan> Lemme know your OpenID and I'll set you up with admin access.
[23:19] <nisshh> flan, sorry i didnt reply the other day, i went afk for a while
[23:20] <nisshh> flan, anyway, my question was: would you be willing to host the developer manual screenshots and quickshot server on your server?
[23:20] <flan> I don't see why not, nisshh.
[23:20] <flan> It's meant to handle multiple projects.
[23:21] <flan> The only catch is that I can't guarantee 100% uptime.
[23:21] <flan> But I haven't had a major problem in months.
[23:21] <flan> Also, I get really busy with work and other projects sometimes, so I may disappear from the channel for extended periods of time.
[23:21] <flan> (e-mail and PMs will always get my attention, though)
[23:22] <nisshh> flan, oh great, thanks heaps, i will let the team know :)
[23:23] <nisshh> flan, can you just let me know when you have set it up?
[23:24] <flan> Just let me know what project name you want and I'll give you full access.
[23:24] <flan> I assume they aren't under UMP.
[23:25] <nisshh> flan, no, its the Ubuntu Developer Manual
[23:25] <flan> Got an OpenID?
[23:25] <nisshh> launchpad is an openid isnt it?
[23:25] <flan> Yep.
[23:26] <nisshh> yeah, ill use that then
[23:26] <flan> https://launchpad.net/~<you>
[23:26] <nisshh> yeah
 = nisshh?
[23:26] <nisshh> yeah
[23:26] <Muscovy> http://launchpad.net/+me actually does that automagically.
[23:27] <nisshh> flan, i assume i will be able to log onto your server and check the status of the screenshots and which ones have been taken, etc?
[23:27] <Muscovy> Wait. I thought it did...
[23:27] <nisshh> Muscovy, not for openID i dont think, that is just a generic user page anyone can user
[23:27] <nisshh> use
[23:27] <nisshh> when they are logged in to launchpad
[23:28] <flan> http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/udm It's all yours, nisshh. (You can remove me as an admin; I just added my ID so I could make sure it looked like it was set up properly)
[23:28] <flan> http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump You've got full access to this, too, so you can see what sorts of options are available.
[23:28] <flan> (The test will be removed once we have 10.10 configured)
[23:29] <flan> Just log in in the top right with your full OpenID URL.
[23:29] <flan> Admin options are always in the upper right.
[23:29] <nisshh> flan, thanks heaps :)
[23:29] <flan> Lemme know if you find any bugs. We're pretty sure we've caught everything big, but there's always something that's been overlooked.
[23:30] <nisshh> flan, will do
[23:31] <godbyk> flan: My OpenID is http://kevin.godby.org/.  (Though if it fails to forward appropriately, let me know.)
[23:31] <nisshh> flan, oh cool, so it looks like i can just grant access to anyone with a launchpad openID
[23:32] <nisshh> flan, do i need to provide you with a list of screenshots needed?
[23:34] <flan> You can configure everything through the site, nisshh.
[23:34] <flan> godbyk, if your delegate is Google, you may need to reload the page a few times when it complains about the site being invalid.
[23:35] <flan> That's the only issue I've seen with second-generation endpoints.
[23:35] <godbyk> flan: Ah, nope. I'm using a php openid thing on my site.
[23:35] <flan> You should now have full control over /ump
[23:35] <nisshh> flan, ok, thanks
[23:37] <flan> nisshh, the basic steps will be to create a new "version" (10.10 or something), then populate it and the base project with languages (these are inheritable), then populate the versionw iths creenshots.
[23:37] <flan> with screenshots*
[23:37] <godbyk> flan: I logged in successfully.
[23:37] <flan> Clients download the screenshot list every time they get to the effective mainloop.
[23:38] <flan> Don't set a username or resolution if you don't have to. Avoiding these options will make it easier for people to contribute.
[23:38] <flan> (The username thing forces people to create and log into a new account, and the resolution forces a reconfig)
[23:39] <flan> Just play with it, I guess. I can backup the database with a moment's notice, and the data is easy to duplicate, too.
[23:39] <flan> And I have scripts (included with the source) that allow for versions and projects to be easily removed if you mess up.
[23:40] <flan> (You can't do it through the interface to avoid malicious users from doing damage)
[23:40] <flan> prevent*
[23:41] <nisshh> flan, yeah, i understand it now :)
[23:41] <nisshh> flan, this is very cool, btw :)
[23:41] <flan> You can also translate each screenshot's instructions into any supported language.
[23:41] <flan> And the end user can pick the language that best suits them.
[23:42] <nisshh> ah yeah
[23:42] <flan> Probably a useless feature in practice, but it might help if you plan to reuse instructions between versions.
[23:42] <flan> And can assume a few major languages.
[23:42] <nisshh> flan, is the quickshot client ready to be used with multiple projects? not just the desktop manual?
[23:42] <nisshh> yeah
[23:42] <flan> The new one loads based on URLs or .qsproj files.
[23:42] <flan> So it can work with anything.
[23:43] <flan> http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/10-04/%5Bump%5D10-04.qsproj
[23:43] <flan> That can be accessed through the "Help out!" link on any project page.
[23:43] <flan> (Even if the project is private, for technical reasons)
[23:43]  * dutchie applauds flan
[23:47] <nisshh> flan, did you code the whole server side stuff?
[23:48] <flan> Yeah. Jenkins helped with the client's UI, though.
[23:48] <nisshh> flan, i have to say, the server-side stuff is very well designed :)
[23:49] <flan> There are still things I plan to revise before 1.0, but thanks. :)
[23:49] <nisshh> simple, secure, easy to use, etc :)
[23:49] <nisshh> yeah
[23:50] <godbyk> Oh, no! Daker's been forked!
[23:51] <flan> This isn't a bad thing. It means we have two of him.
[23:51] <daker_fork> hhh
[23:51] <godbyk> flan: Good point -- so we can get twice as much work done, then, right?
[23:52] <nisshh> lol
[23:52] <flan> Eh... I'm not the right person to ask about work. >.>
[23:53] <daker_fork> where is ben ?
[23:53] <flan> Probably sleeping.
[23:53] <nisshh> in the middle of the day?
[23:53] <nisshh> its 7am where i am, and he is 4 hours ahead of me lol
[23:53] <flan> Isn't he in, like, UTC -8?
[23:53] <nisshh> no
[23:53] <nisshh> i am + 8
[23:53] <flan> Er...
[23:53] <nisshh> he is + 12
[23:53] <flan> Yeah.
[23:54] <flan> I meant -16.
[23:54] <flan> Or that.
[23:54] <nisshh> lol
[23:54]  * flan doesn't know Oceana.
[23:54] <nisshh> either
[23:54] <nisshh> way
[23:54] <nisshh> he probably is at uni or something
[23:54] <nisshh> i havent seen him around since monday
[23:54] <daker_fork> it's 10:50 in NZ
[23:54] <nisshh> yeah
[23:54] <nisshh> 10:54
[23:57] <daker_fork> have we made any litlle progress ?


[02:13] <rick_h_> phew, 1:26 18.2mi ride...how am I going ot do 36mi on Sat?
[03:03] <_stink_> in 2:52?
[03:07] <rick_h_> hah
[11:27] <snap-l> Man, DNS takes forever to update.
[11:44] <rick_h_> hmm, it's usually been pretty quick for me these days
[11:48] <brousch> your poor wife
[12:01] <snap-l> Yeah, I know most folks really like those long, slow DNS updates
[12:01] <snap-l> This is reverse DNS, so I'm not sure how long it takes
[12:01] <snap-l> I fear it'll be 24 hours
[12:02] <snap-l> which is no big deal, but it sould be nice to test my SPF record sooner than later
[12:36] <snap-l> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-development-is-dead-on-windows-8/
[12:38] <rick_h_> yea, we'll see. They back out on stuff like that all the time
[12:40] <brousch> ah geez
[12:40] <snap-l> Saw it on the python dev list, where their concern was CPython-related.
[12:40] <brousch> one more reason to move everything to webapps
[12:40] <snap-l> brousch: s/webapps/linux/
[12:41] <snap-l> we don't care what you target gcc to
[12:41] <brousch> webapps all run on linux, so yeah
[12:41] <rick_h_> http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/u49iw/pep_405_is_accepted_virtual_environments_will_be/
[12:41] <brousch> i can't wait to see autocad metro. that should be fun
[12:41] <snap-l> HUZZAH!
[12:42] <brousch> oh nice
[12:42] <snap-l> brousch: They'll probably hang on to VS10 for as long as humanly possible
[12:42] <snap-l> and 5 months after it's no longer possible.
[12:42] <brousch> actually the article says you can build non-metro if you pay for the IDE. i'm sure autodesk pays
[12:42] <snap-l> Autodesk moves like a glacier. A giant, boat-ripping glacier.
[12:43] <rick_h_> brousch: right, the concern is for OSS/school kids that won't pay the fee
[12:43] <brousch> i always thought so, but now they autocad on osx and a couple of very nice webapps
[12:43] <brousch> rick_h_: there's always eclipse!
[12:43] <snap-l> autocad is a verb?
[12:43] <snap-l> brousch: Are you high?
[12:43] <brousch> as a kite!
[12:43] <snap-l> Doesn't eclise need VS to build?
[12:43] <brousch> java
[12:44] <snap-l> Right, but C compilers and such?
[12:44] <brousch> who uses C?
[12:44]  * snap-l knows jack about Eclipse on Windows for anything other than Java.
[12:44] <snap-l> CPython, for starters.
[12:44] <snap-l> It's even in the name. :)
[12:45] <brousch> i think cpython just moved from VS2008 to 2010 with python3.3
[12:45] <snap-l> Yeha, that's their concern.
[12:46] <brousch> so they're on 2010 now, and will be good for 5? years
[12:46] <snap-l> Not under Windows 8 they won't be
[12:47] <brousch> this is much more troubling "In practice, you'll probably have to pay even for Metro development. Windows 8 won't, in general, support side-loading of Metro-style applications. Developers won't be able to stick a Metro-style application that they wrote themselves onto their website and let people download it. "
[12:47] <brousch> that kills pretty much any reason i would have to use windows over osx
[12:48] <rick_h_> yea, they're getting to their own app store soon
[12:48] <brousch> app store is fine, but requiring all installs to go through it is the shit
[12:48]  * rick_h_ is so happy he hasn't had to load windows in multiple years now
[12:48] <rick_h_> heh, that's the point of the app store :)
[12:49] <brousch> i feel my blood pressure rising
[12:49] <snap-l> Welcome to the mainframe. Please leave your dignity at the login prompt.
[12:50] <brousch> i can see we'll be sitting on win7 for a decade
[12:50] <rick_h_> woot!
[12:50] <brousch> better buy up gobs of licenses
[12:50] <snap-l> And hope MS doesn't suddenly deactivate them all
[12:51] <brousch> damn, you're right
[12:51]  * brousch digs around for his win98se CD
[12:53] <snap-l> The PC industry has worked hard to remove the cost-benefits that allowed it to be so successful in the early days.
[12:53] <snap-l> That and the feeling of control over your own computing environment.
[12:57] <brousch> that's one of the things that bugs me about unity. i feel like i lost some control over my desktop
[12:57] <brousch> i'm sure that will get better as it matures
[12:57] <rick_h_> then don't use unity if you need more control :P
[12:58] <brousch> i'm not
[12:58] <rick_h_> you have all the control in the wold you know
[12:59] <snap-l> I have all the control I need
[13:00] <brousch> i'm still really happy with kubuntu
[13:00] <snap-l> Yeah, and that's awesome.
[13:01] <brousch> i can see kubuntu 12.04 as my OS for 3 years, if need-be
[13:29] <snap-l> I love how an idea hits you long after it's useful
[13:29] <rick_h_> hah
[13:29] <snap-l> been struggling with VMs and DHCP getting random IP addresses
[13:30] <snap-l> and my solution is to essentially ping every machine on the network and look for mac address patterns via arp -n
[13:30] <snap-l> The better answer would have been to create machines with two network adapters
[13:30] <snap-l> one for local NAT, and one for remote access
[13:31] <snap-l> so I could still have local access, and be able to associate an IP address with the machine that can be listed with some minor scripting
[13:35] <snap-l> Of course, port forwarding is a bitch for ssh under this scenario
[13:45] <jrwren> its a lie anyway. you can always use the command line tools to do "no cost desktop software development on windows"
[13:45] <jrwren> brousch: what makes you think there will be autocad metro?
[13:46] <brousch> jrwren: there won't be. i corrected myself
[13:47] <jrwren> isee
[13:49] <snap-l> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1695.html
[13:51] <jrwren> not funny
[14:09]  * ColonelPanic001 forgot his towel :(
[14:10] <brousch> i'll put that on your tombstone
[14:11] <jrwren> but do you know where it is?
[14:41] <brousch> rick_h_: what would you use instead of selenium in that django tdd tutorial?
[14:41] <rick_h_> just the client should work for basic things
[14:42] <rick_h_> selenium is a very hight level integration test, I'd not startt there for testing, but final overall functionality tests
[14:42] <brousch> what client?
[14:42] <rick_h_> a failing selenium test is near useless, run infreqeuntly, and really just a smoke test in usual cases
[14:42] <rick_h_> the django test Client
[14:42] <rick_h_> that lets you call the views/get response/etc
[14:42] <rick_h_> in pyramid I use webtest
[14:43] <brousch> thanks
[15:30] <brousch> ok, so i think the fun part of testing will be the challenge of figuring out how to test something
[15:30] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, that's usually the case, just think small and work up
[15:32] <brousch> copying and pasting tests from the tutorial is tedious, but i think building my own tests will be more interesting
[15:36] <jrwren> writing the test is also the design
[15:37] <brousch> what design?
[15:38] <jrwren> exactly
[15:38] <jrwren> solves that problem too
[15:38] <jrwren> solves the overdesign problem. solves the lack of design problem.
[15:39] <brousch> overdesign is definitely not my problem
[15:41] <brousch> oooooooh http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57441380-93/hps-webos-enyo-team-reportedly-heading-to-google/
[16:14] <greg-g> so, is it really true there is no usable FLOSS voip conference call app (eg: skype replacement)?
[16:17] <rick_h_> I hear there's this big blue button thing lol
[16:31] <greg-g> :( so, that doesn't work well, eh? I never really tried the MUG instance of it
[16:32] <rick_h_> sorry, just been browbeat that it's awesome and the future and worth sucking all the bandwidth out of our group meetings
[16:36] <snap-l> rick_h_: hear hear
[16:37] <snap-l> greg-g: I'd give it a shot. Don't let our wearied expressions dissuade you.
[16:38] <snap-l> It's just that we haven't gone two months without hearing something about it
[16:59] <jrwren> I think if you put up asterisk you can do it.
[17:00] <brousch> big blue button was on FLOSS weekly. it has to be good
[17:28] <greg-g> rick_h_: bandwidth issue wouldn't be a problem in my use case (set it up as a server the world could use, not library-based group meeting :)
[17:28] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, we (CC) used to have an Asterisk server for our weekly calls, the quality wasn't hte bst for some reason
[19:25] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, the thing is open codecs just don't seem to work as well for that stuff.
[19:36] <greg-g> speex or whatever it is is pretty good, from the stuff I've read
[19:37] <greg-g> honestly, the xiph community does some good stuff
[19:37] <greg-g> I want to just blame it on apathy, but I still don't know if I can
[19:37] <snap-l> I think it's also partly because of the QoS that stuff like Skye does behind the scenes
[19:38] <rick_h_> greg-g: oh yea don't get me wrong. It's hard to get fired up when there are free working alternatives
[19:38] <rick_h_> especially because this kind of thing is effected by network effects
[19:39] <greg-g> right
[19:40] <greg-g> that was the phrase I couldn't come up with before, heh
[19:43] <snap-l> God, I should just throw out all of the 32 bit machines in the house
[19:43] <snap-l> was going to set up a server, but the software I downloaded was 64 bit only
[19:44] <snap-l> That's a few minutes I'm not going to get back
[19:47] <PainBank> what do you all think of JSLint?  I just checked it out for the first time and was wondering if you use it and what your thoughts on it are?
[19:47] <rick_h_> live by it
[19:47] <rick_h_> it's ,m in my vim setup
[19:47] <rick_h_> I use node/npm version of running it
[19:47] <rick_h_> sudo npm install -g jslint (after you get nodejs and npm first)
[19:48] <Blazeix> yeah, definitely use jslint
[19:48] <Blazeix> it will catch all sorts of things, the biggest for me is unintended global variable use
[19:48] <snap-l> put another way: there's no good reason why you shouldn't use it
[19:48] <rick_h_> it saves a lot of debugging headaches
[19:48] <rick_h_> it's picky/strict, but that's the best kind of tool :)
[19:48] <PainBank> right on
[19:49] <PainBank> ya, I noticed the 'using strict' issue came up right away, which is annoying, but requires everything to be right.
[19:49] <PainBank> so you correct event the small things like adding var to the start of a variable declaration and clean up the spacing warnings?
[19:49] <brousch> or youcould use coffeescript which supposedly always creates jslint passing code
[19:50] <rick_h_> especially adding the var
[19:50] <PainBank> ya, no on coffeeeeeee
[19:50] <PainBank> ok
[19:50] <rick_h_> and yea, I'm a spacing nut...
[19:50] <rick_h_> so consistant spacing ftw
[19:51] <brousch> rick_h_: give a pep8 nazi talk at pyohio
[19:51] <brousch> you could yell and froth at people
[19:53] <PainBank> anyone created an NPAPI before?
[19:56] <Blazeix> i haven't, what are you building?
[19:56] <snap-l> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/05/kingdoms-of-amalur-developer-lays-off-entire-staff/ <- This is fucked up
[19:56] <PainBank> embedded system using browser for the GUI... need to trigger the hardware functionlaity
[19:56] <snap-l> (not the layoff bit, the how it was funded bit)
[19:56] <PainBank> wow
[19:57] <PainBank> 379 staff...
[19:57] <PainBank> whoa
[20:00] <PainBank> umm... both.
[20:00] <snap-l> Yeah ,the first part is sad
[20:00] <snap-l> the second part si "wtf were they thinknig"
[20:00] <PainBank> pretty fucked up, that they knew they were in trouble, yet kept the whole 380 staff on... ya wonder how many knew there were issues before the big layoff....
[20:01] <PainBank> as in sitting around, twiddling thumbs... waiting for said axe to fall.
[20:01] <snap-l> I think they were waiting for a bailout from the govt.
[20:01] <PainBank> the funding part is just nuts... hell.... it isn't a 3rd in a series of a halo or MW series or anything.
[20:01] <PainBank> they already had it... and the execs had quite the fun time for a while...
[20:28] <snap-l> Java: The Speed-bump of the internet
[20:28] <snap-l> I swear, the requirements for Alfresco should be just one word: more
[20:28] <snap-l> more CPU, more RAM, more everything, pease
[20:32] <brousch> i thought of looking at elfresco, but never did
[20:32] <brousch> seemed huge
[20:34] <snap-l> https://identi.ca/notice/94003046 https://identi.ca/notice/94003056
[20:38] <Blazeix> snap-l: haha
[21:09] <snap-l> Would someone that doesn't normally receive mail from me be willing to help me with an experiment?
[21:09] <snap-l> ie: I shouldn't be in your contact list, or on Google plus
[21:10] <snap-l> and you should have a gmail account
[21:11] <Blazeix> does it have to be gmail? you could use 10minutemail
[21:11] <snap-l> I've had my mail show up as spam in gmail
[21:11] <snap-l> and I wanted to see if I'd finally nailed the SPF record so it doesn't do that anymore.
[21:12] <snap-l> port25 and the openspf mailer says that I pass
[21:12] <snap-l> Maybe I should just let it go. :)
[21:20] <shakes808> snap-l: what do you need me to do?
[21:20] <snap-l> just pm me your e-mail address
[21:20] <snap-l> and wait for an e-mail from me
[21:21] <snap-l> and then lmk if it showed up in spam
[21:22] <brousch> snap-l: starting a spam ans scam company?
[21:22] <snap-l> brousch: You betcha
[21:23] <shakes808> came through in my normal inbox
[21:23] <snap-l> shakes808: Thank you.
[21:23] <shakes808> np
[21:24] <shakes808> glad to be of assistance ;)
[21:24] <shakes808> ... and now the flood of spam mail and chain letters commence :-/
[21:24] <shakes808> loll


[17:12] <silverlion> good evening
[17:16] <pleia2> silverlion: hey
[17:16] <silverlion> pleia2, that's coincidance
[17:17] <silverlion> I just sent that tweet seconds ago
[17:17] <silverlion> :D
[17:17] <pleia2> I'm replying to your tweet ;)
[17:17] <silverlion> pleia2, I got a couple of questions regarding that Ubuntu Book that you wrote
[17:18] <pleia2> ask away
[17:18] <silverlion> #1: If I understood that right, it's written every 2 years right?
[17:18] <silverlion> #2: The Work is done on LaTex, right?
[17:18] <pleia2> every 2 years is the plan, but with publishing you never quite know (in fact, they weren't sure the 8th edition would happen at all)
[17:18] <pleia2> no, it's done in .doc
[17:19] <pleia2> we use libreoffice to edit
[17:19] <silverlion> ok, who do I have to talk to if I want to become Co-Author of the next edition?
[17:20] <pleia2> I don't know, I'm friends with the author so he and I worked pretty casually together, he put me in touch with the editor and I submitted my published works (published articles, etc) for review
[17:20] <pleia2> you might ask jose how get got involved
[17:21] <pleia2> s/get/he
[17:22] <silverlion> ok, who is jose?
[17:22] <pleia2> one of the contributing authors
[17:22] <pleia2> he's usually on IRC
[17:22] <silverlion> right now he seems not to be online or he goes with a different nick
[17:23] <pleia2> yeah, he ping timeouted aout a half hour ago
[17:23] <pleia2> 09:54:52 -!- jose [~jose@ubuntu/member/jose] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[17:23] <pleia2> he'll be back though :)
[17:23] <silverlion> kk. I'll give him a ping if I see him
[17:24] <silverlion> because I think with more authors the workload becomes a lot easier, am I wrong with that?
[17:24] <pleia2> and we get paid less ;)
[17:25] <silverlion> so you don't want help?
[17:25] <pleia2> I don't really know how it's decided how many authors a book has, 4 is a lot, but there's always a chance some of them won't come back
[17:25] <pleia2> it's not my decision
[17:25] <silverlion> kk
[17:25] <silverlion> thanks anyway


[01:23] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: gradle isn't buildable even when its self-build-depends are supplied, and even after tweaking its build-conflicts on groovy to account for the anomalous version in saucy: it runs into http://issues.gradle.org/browse/GRADLE-2858
[01:44] <Noskcaj> cjwatson, I saw that, now i've got 500mb of java dependencies for no reason
[01:45] <cjwatson> You should have used a throwaway chroot
[01:45] <cjwatson> schroot makes those really easy to use
[01:51] <Noskcaj> I've got pbuilder, but it broke for gradle
[08:15] <iulian> Noskcaj: Looks like micahg got there first.
[08:15] <Noskcaj> yeah
[21:50] <Noskcaj> Can we drop libunwind 1.1-2ubuntu1 from saucy-proposed? IT has three different FTBFSs in debian, so it's not worth having the package there
[22:05] <micahg> Noskcaj: how about fixing it?
[22:05] <Noskcaj> micahg, i don't posses the skills to do that
[22:06] <micahg> Noskcaj: ok, well, we're not at the point where removing is the right answer
[22:06] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:12] <micahg> that merge shouldn't have been done in the first place without removing the dependency on dpkg-dev


[03:58] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what should I do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1754864 for the SRU?
[03:58] <robert_ancell> Mark it as verified with a note that the change isn't there?
[04:16] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Bah. I thought I could trick the pending-sru report by removing the verification-needed tag.
[04:18] <RAOF> Marked as verification-done.
[04:55] <duflu> Speaking of SRUs, could anyone (RAOF?) please help me with the nomination in bug 1803271 ?
[04:56] <duflu> My patch isn't appearing in the sponsorship queue, I think because of that
[04:57] <duflu> Ta muchly
[04:58] <RAOF> np
[04:58] <duflu> Weirdly, the latest entry in the sponsorship queue has my name on it despite not being my bug
[04:58] <duflu> Unrelated
[06:27] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:31] <RAOF> Hey seb128!
[06:31] <seb128> hey RAOF, how are you?
[06:32] <RAOF> seb128: Good. Wading through symbols files for a C++ project…
[06:32] <seb128> those are always fun :/
[06:34] <RAOF> Indeed!
[06:46] <seb128> Trevinho, hey Marco, I'm not sure to understand your comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/359188 ... you want that fix to be merged or you prefer not because you work on changes that deprecate it?
[06:56] <duflu> Hi seb128
[06:56] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[06:57] <duflu> seb128, going well. Busy with a backport that's long overdue
[06:57] <duflu> Ready in a sec
[06:57] <duflu> How is seb128?
[06:57] <seb128> I'm good, still having a bit of a cold and could have slept longer though. It's ok, it's friday, almost the w.e :)
[06:58] <duflu> Boo, and yay
[07:11] <didrocks> good morning
[07:16] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:17] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:23] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:24] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ?
[07:24] <seb128> ça va, un peu le rhume encore et un peu fatigué, mais c'est bientôt le w.e :)
[07:24] <seb128> et toi ?
[07:25] <didrocks> ça va, vivement le week-end oui, bien fatigué par cette nouvelle semaine chargée
[07:34] <seb128> hehe, friday ftw \o/
[07:35] <didrocks> yep!
[07:45] <Trevinho> seb128: hey... I'm saying that both are fine
[07:46] <Trevinho> But since we're going for 3.30 probably that is better
[07:48] <duflu> Oh hey Trevinho, I just stopped for a guacamole break, and thought of you :)
[07:48] <duflu> Home yet?
[07:57] <Trevinho> duflu: ❤
[08:03] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:03] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[08:04] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[08:05] <Trevinho> duflu: more into tacos now  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tysdtGkR/IMG_20181123_015810.jpg
[08:08] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, Trevinho
[08:08] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, buon giorno Trevinho
[08:15] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[08:15] <seb128> Trevinho, we are not going to have nautilus updated this week, so meanwhile we can merge the obvious fix
[08:16] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, bien et toi?
[08:16] <seb128> ca va, c'est vendredi !
[08:16] <oSoMoN> happy to have the week-end in sight, I need some rest
[08:18] <seb128> yeah, same here
[08:24] <Trevinho> seb128: yes fine indeed
[08:24] <Trevinho> Hi didrocks 😊
[08:54] <willcooke> morning all
[09:02] <Laney> hey
[09:04] <willcooke> hi Laney
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney, willcooke, happy friday!
[09:07] <willcooke> flu jab in a couple of hours
[09:12] <Laney> exciting
[09:31] <duflu> Hi willcooke, Laney
[09:31] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[10:47] <willcooke> off to the pharmacist for my injection.  bbiab
[11:42] <willcooke> back
[11:42] <duflu> Hi willcooke
[11:42] <duflu> Why am I still here?
[11:46] <willcooke> I was wondering the same thing
[11:49] <andyrock> 😂
[11:49] <andyrock> is the free the flu jab in UK?
[11:50]  * andyrock still has to register to NHS
[11:51] <Laney> nah only free for some people: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/who-should-have-flu-vaccine/
[11:54] <willcooke> I paid for my wife's at the same time, but then it turns out she could have got it free because she has an asthma inhaler
[12:03] <seb128> andyrock, Canonical is paying for it, see the email from this week on the company list, you can expense it
[12:04] <andyrock> seb128: yeah I know but I was just wondering
[12:05] <jbicha> yay, free vaccines for everyone
[12:06] <duflu> seb128, I was wondering if that still applies 6 months opposite :)
[12:07] <duflu> Also, good night
[12:07] <seb128> night duflu, have a good w.e!
[12:08] <andyrock> 💉
[14:05]  * xnox ponders if i'm on irc or not
[14:07] <Laney> who can say
[14:08] <doko> a ghost
[14:08]  * jbicha slaps xnox around a bit with a large trout
[14:08] <xnox> Laney, ah, well, i guess seb128 just wants to avoid talking about keycodes
[14:08] <seb128> xnox, hey?
[14:09] <xnox> seb128, hola =)
[14:09] <xnox> not sure, if we should hangout, or talk privately.
[14:09] <seb128> did you write to me earlier? there was nothing on the channel
[14:09] <seb128> hangout is going to be a bit tricky this afternoon for me
[14:09] <seb128> I'm in a public place without headphones atm
[14:30] <xnox> right, so my irc was not working when i did:
 seb128, heya =)
 wanna talk keycodes to me? =)
 andyrock, was 9 GBP for me.
[14:31] <seb128> right
[14:43] <seb128> cyphermox, nice, Hans found the cause of the plymouth segfault and put details on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/plymouth/plymouth/merge_requests/10 :)
[14:43] <gitbot> plymouth issue (Merge request) 10 in plymouth "If we've already freed the plugin, we can't call to it." [Opened]
[14:43] <seb128> the debugging from that user on launchpad confirms the issue he found in the code
[14:44] <seb128> I wonder if /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf-hooks.d/cryptsetup being missing/not having " FRAMEBUFFER=y" is a before or a feature
[14:45] <xnox> *sigh*
[14:46] <seb128> is a bug or feature
[14:46] <seb128> xnox, you know about that? ;)
[14:46] <xnox> not really, but it is a pile of heap at the moment. it all used to be better
[14:51] <seb128> xnox, cyphermox, the config is still there but in a cryptsetup-initramfs binary, I wonder if that user who can reproduce is just missing that one
[14:53] <cyphermox> worth a check
[14:54] <cyphermox> but sorry I'm not really completely around today
[14:55] <seb128> cyphermox, no worry, there is no hurry there. If you feel like having a poke to the patch doing what Hans suggested next week that might give us some upstream karma though :)
[14:55] <cyphermox> seb128: can you comment on the gitlab and say I'll do the patches?
[14:55] <seb128> sure
[14:55] <seb128> thx
[14:55] <cyphermox> I had my file sync disabled on this laptop for Plumbers, didn't re-enable it yet but now I'm missing my new gitlab credentials :)
[14:58] <cyphermox> seb128: thanks
[15:09] <oSoMoN> popey, I need to edit https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/using-chromium-ffmpeg-in-third-party-browser-snaps/6545 to add the latest stable version which I just published, but it looks like the post is locked, can you do some magic to unlock it for me?
[15:37] <popey> Will try
[15:38] <popey> oSoMoN: made it a wiki post, can you edit now?
[16:24] <oSoMoN> popey, yes, now I can
[16:24] <oSoMoN> thanks
[16:37] <jbicha> seb128: could you put libpoppler-qt5-1 & libpoppler-qt5-dev back in universe in disco so that excuses doesn't complain about it?
[17:01] <seb128> jbicha, does it create any problem?
[17:01] <jbicha> seb128: your new poppler version won't migrate out of -proposed until it's fixed :)
[17:02] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[17:02] <Laney> it's those poppler items listed
[17:04] <Laney> xnox: can you merge meson please? you are TIL :-)
[17:38] <seb128> jbicha, it's fine, we need to rebuild the rdepends including libreoffice, so that's not going to be today
[17:39] <seb128> Laney, the items on that page are the waiting autopkgtests no?
[17:39] <Laney> it's changed since I linked it
[17:40] <tjaalton> Laney: there are now two mutter uploads on cosmic queue, the older should be dropped?
[17:40] <seb128> k
[17:40] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end all!
[17:40] <Laney> tjaalton: yes, i said that in release earlier, guess nobody did it
[17:40] <seb128> well if what you were pointing out is the component mismatch then someone already handled it I guess
[17:40] <Laney> (looks like someone did the demotions jbicha asked for, that's why it moved on)
[17:40] <tjaalton> yeah I missed that
[17:40] <Laney> tjaalton: thanks!
[17:40] <seb128> seems like people care more about noise on that page that I do :)
[17:41] <Laney> that noise prevented the tests from running
[17:41] <seb128> (but annoying that the web interface from the queue doesn't let you move only the new binaries to main, when you select "main" it seems it moves the existing ones as well)
[17:41] <seb128> Laney, which isn't that important until we know that there is a stack of rdepends that need to be rebuilt including libreoffice
[17:41] <Laney> ok
[17:41] <Laney> I still wouldn't call it noise though
[17:42] <Laney> it was a real issue
[17:45] <seb128> right, it's sorted out now so all good, we can happily wrap the week :)
[17:45] <seb128> or at least I'm doing that
[17:45] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers
[17:47] <Laney> see you!
[17:49] <willcooke> I'm calling it a night too, l8r
[18:10] <jbicha> seb128: ha, we might have been better off with poppler 0.69 like Debian. I think pochu is tired of fixing up the rdepends for poppler every release
[18:21] <Laney> desktop-icons packaged & UPLOADED (to experimental)
[18:21] <Laney> happy weekend


[06:01] <parsnip> any ideas on when plasma 5 kubuntu will be somewhat reliable? i tried it about a month ago and had trouble. won't install on virtual box either.
[06:08] <valorie> I'm using it exclusively for this past week, parsnip
[06:08] <valorie> well, vivid beta
[06:08] <valorie> don't try 14.10 + next, as that is now deprecated
[06:24] <parsnip> thanks valorie , will try it out
[09:16] <afteoyo> MoonUnit`, Kaliraa hello
[09:16] <MoonUnit`> hello
[09:17] <afteoyo> do I report my bug to launchpad?
[09:17] <afteoyo> I have no idea if this a kde, plasma, ubuntu base, kubuntu or wahtever bug
[09:18] <MoonUnit`> hah, yeah i have that problem a lot, knowing what part to file the bug under is a pain on opensource
[09:19] <afteoyo_> I will try your fix
[09:19] <afteoyo_> of renaming the folder
[09:20] <afteoyo_> so this would work?
[09:20] <afteoyo_> mv .kde .kde2
[09:20] <MoonUnit`> when i was testing vivid in a qemu vm i had the problem of loging into a black screen a lot, hasn't happend on my desktop yet though.
[09:21] <MoonUnit`> yes
[09:21] <afteoyo_> Okay, brb, going to try that
[09:35] <afteoyo> so that did not work
[09:35] <afteoyo> Still black
[09:35] <afteoyo> but it did create those folders again
[09:36] <MoonUnit`> :(
[09:37] <afteoyo> Yeah
[09:37] <afteoyo> I simply do not have the know how of how to fix this
[09:37] <afteoyo> weird thing is that the desktop grid still works
[09:37] <afteoyo> even though it is all black
[09:37] <afteoyo> I still see the icons to add a new workspace
[09:39] <MoonUnit`> did you try moving .local too?
[09:40] <afteoyo> yeah
[09:41] <afteoyo> I think i will just install 14.04 or 14.10
[09:47] <afteoyo> wtf
[09:47] <afteoyo> my usb is now only 2mb large
[09:47] <afteoyo> instead of 16gb
[09:48] <afteoyo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/289971/usbs-storage-capacity-reduced-to-2-mb-from-16-gb
[09:48] <afteoyo> Looks like someone else had the same problem :D
[09:50] <lordievader> afteoyo: What does parted say about the stick?
[09:50] <afteoyo> I am in my windows parition atm
[09:50] <afteoyo> so I just used the fix in the link I posted
[09:50] <lordievader> Likely just a filesystem being 2mb.
[09:50] <afteoyo> already done
[09:51] <afteoyo> lordievader, yeah that was the case
[09:51] <afteoyo> I guess dd did that
[09:51] <lordievader> Meh, if that is all...
[10:10] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:12] <afteoyo> hi
[10:13] <afteoyo> I have broken my Kubuntu 15.04 install BluesKaj :(
[10:15] <BluesKaj> broken , afteoyo, how?
[10:15] <afteoyo> plasmashell is gone
[10:15] <afteoyo> I log in
[10:15] <afteoyo> black desktop
[10:15] <afteoyo> no launcher background, taskbar
[10:16] <afteoyo> krunnner is still there, but I can only type text in, it doesn't actually search or run anything
[10:16] <JunkHunk> hello where can I find this in kubuntu? : http://www.leaseweblabs.com/2014/06/disable-spyware-ubuntu-14-04/
[10:17] <afteoyo> JunkHunk, IIRC only ubuntu unity is blessed with that
[10:18] <BluesKaj> ctl+alt+F1 - F6 for aa VTT/TY login, then update and upgrade. then run sudo service sddm restart
[10:19] <afteoyo> okay, let me try
[10:19] <afteoyo> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:19] <JunkHunk> blessed with the surveilance or the switcher?
[10:19] <afteoyo> sudo service sddm restart
[10:19] <afteoyo> those?
[10:20] <afteoyo> JunkHunk neither, I was being sarcastic
[10:20] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, ask in #ubuntu chat , this is kubuntu support
[10:21] <JunkHunk> thats why I am asking here
[10:21] <afteoyo> Kubuntu doesn't have it IIRC
[10:21] <JunkHunk> I use kubuntu and wanted to know whether it has the same politic or not
[10:22] <JunkHunk> IIRC stands for?
[10:22] <JunkHunk> is kubuntu an ubuntu fork?
[10:22] <JunkHunk> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html
[10:22] <BluesKaj> after you drop to vt/tty as described above, and do an update and upgrade, then run the sddm command
[10:22] <JunkHunk> I ve been reading richard stallman
[10:24] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, not a fork. it use the same core and hernel, but the kDE desktop
[10:24] <BluesKaj> err kernel
[10:24] <JunkHunk> so no default spyware?
[10:27] <BluesKaj> no , Unity desktop is accused of that , but not KDE
[10:27] <BluesKaj> !Blue Systems
[10:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:28] <MoonUnit`> morning
[10:29] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, , Kubuntu is not longer supported by Canonical,. isupport has moved to a differnt company known as Blue Systems
[10:29] <JunkHunk> wow thats new for me
[10:29] <JunkHunk> thanks
[10:29] <BluesKaj> morning lordievader, MoonUnit`
[10:29] <JunkHunk> err...are those good or bad news?
[10:30] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj, how are you?
[10:30] <lordievader> Hey MoonUnit`, how are you doing?
[10:30] <BluesKaj> mostly good as far Kubuntu users are concerned
[10:30] <BluesKaj> fine here lordievader, and you?
[10:31] <lordievader> Doing good, here too.
[10:31] <MoonUnit`> lordievader: fine thanks
[10:31] <JunkHunk> hey I am good too
[10:31] <JunkHunk> a bit paranoid but good
[10:31] <JunkHunk> yesterday I installed nagios on this kubuntu I am using...
[10:32] <JunkHunk> its a nice tool
[10:32] <JunkHunk> do you know some enhancing I should add?
[10:32] <JunkHunk> the free version is kind of poor
[10:32] <JunkHunk> I searched the web and found OPSVIEW
[10:32] <lordievader> JunkHunk: Check out Zabbix ;)
[10:33] <JunkHunk> what about that?
[10:33] <JunkHunk> Zabbix okay looking
[10:34] <lordievader> JunkHunk: I like it better than Nagios.
[10:34] <JunkHunk> cool
[10:39] <JunkHunk> what about OPSVIEW
[10:41] <JunkHunk> I only have three computers but I like testing servers...
[10:41] <JunkHunk> and I am planning to build my own dedicated server at home
[10:41] <JunkHunk> with the new funny nano tech devices in the market...
[10:42] <JunkHunk> cubieboard and raspberry pi
[10:42] <JunkHunk> that is why I was searching for a nice monitoring service on the internet
[10:44] <JunkHunk> what else should I need to keep this kind of server up and running flawlessly?
[10:44] <lordievader> You want to use the RPi as a server? What are you planning to run on it?
[10:44] <JunkHunk> oh a lot of things
[10:45] <lordievader> Such as?
[10:45] <JunkHunk> a web server... a samba4 server a mail server, a dns server...opensim and minecraft servers aswell and a nas server
[10:46] <JunkHunk> using vlans I would keep some services far from the others
[10:47] <MoonUnit`> i find the fun with servers begins when you're dealing with mysql
[10:48] <lordievader> Right... on a Pi?
[10:48] <MoonUnit`> on anything
[10:49] <JunkHunk> a pi maybe a bit short
[10:49] <lordievader> The point I am trying to make, get something better than a Pi.
[10:49] <JunkHunk> I think the cubieboard 4 would do best
[10:49] <JunkHunk> more cores
[10:49] <JunkHunk> and memory
[10:49] <lordievader> A Pi is fun for something low powered. But if you want a server that allows you do actually learn a lot of things you'll find the Pi to be limited.
[10:50] <JunkHunk> http://cubieboard.org/model/cb4/
[10:53] <JunkHunk> see you folks
[10:53] <lordievader> What a horrible website.
[11:08] <aftereyo> Hey
[11:08] <aftereyo> I am in my Kubun 15.04 install
[11:08] <aftereyo> I logged in using the fallback instead of plasma
[11:08] <aftereyo> I am still not able to log in with plasma
[11:09] <aftereyo> I tried your commands BluesKaj but it did not work
[11:10] <aftereyo> terminals on f1-f4 are useless
[11:10] <aftereyo> I tried to startx in them
[11:10] <aftereyo> but only got a black screen
[11:11] <aftereyo> can I reset those terminals
[11:11] <lordievader> aftereyo: Anything in your xsession log?
[11:11] <aftereyo> how do I chekc that?
[11:12] <aftereyo> Also The failsafe kinda sucks
[11:12] <aftereyo> I cannot alt tab
[11:12] <lordievader> aftereyo: less ~/.xsession-errors
[11:12] <aftereyo> SO I only have this konversation window open
[11:12] <aftereyo> is there a way to execute commands form konversation?
[11:12] <lordievader> Err, no idea.
[11:13] <aftereyo> /exec is broken
[11:13] <aftereyo> I can only use one gui app at a time
[11:13] <aftereyo> Imma check the ~/.xsession-errors folder
[11:13] <lordievader> Ssh?
[11:14] <aftereyo> lordievader: ? I am not in a server
[11:14] <aftereyo> this is my laptop
[11:14] <aftereyo> 15.04
[11:14] <aftereyo> KDE
[11:14] <MoonUnit`> wonder if it's worth creating another user then try to login to plasma with that, rule out anything in your home folder.
[11:14] <aftereyo> how can I do that?
[11:15] <aftereyo> !adduser
[11:15] <aftereyo> Welp
[11:16] <aftereyo> I cannot open a browser either
[11:16] <lordievader> aftereyo: So? You probably already have the ssh daemon installed.
[11:16] <MoonUnit`> i tend to add blackbox aswell very light wm, you can choose it from the login screen.
[11:19] <aftereyo> Okay I added a new user
[11:19] <aftereyo> now how do I log out of my KDE session?
[11:20] <aftereyo> !logout
[11:20] <MoonUnit`> logging out is broken for me
[11:20] <aftereyo> hmm
[11:20] <aftereyo> me too actuall
[11:20] <aftereyo> yI only get a black screen
[11:20] <MoonUnit`> sudo systemctl restart sddm, will restart it
[11:20] <aftereyo> brb
[11:22] <afteyo> okay so this new user "kim" works fine
[11:22] <afteyo> I have plasma desktop
[11:24] <MoonUnit`> wonder if moving .cache would do anything.
[11:25] <afteyo> last thing i did was to uninstall openjdk and replace it with java 8
[11:25] <afteyo> could that have been it?
[11:26] <afteyo> kim is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:26] <MoonUnit`> wouldn't think so
[11:26] <afteyo> lol
[11:30] <aftereyo> so renaming .cache kinda worked
[11:30] <aftereyo> I have everythign back except the task bar and launcher
[11:30] <aftereyo> krunner works though as does the desktop
[11:30] <aftereyo> I set my taskbar to autohide, maybe that had soemthign to do with it
[11:31] <aftereyo> is there a way I can set the task bar to be always visivle withough havin ght taskbar?
[11:32] <aftereyo> Update, I added a launcher to desktop and that launcher works, taskbar is still gone
[11:33] <aftereyo> any ideas on how I could get the taskbar back?
[11:34] <MoonUnit`> i'd try moving .kde .local and .cache again and rebooting.
[11:34] <aftereyo> okay, I will do that
[11:34] <aftereyo> update: I right clicked on desktop -> add panel -> defualt panel
[11:34] <aftereyo> everythign seems to be fine
[11:34] <MoonUnit`> \o/
[11:35] <aftereyo> Should I rename .cache .kde .local and reboot?
[11:35] <MoonUnit`> is everything working again?
[11:35] <aftereyo> yeah
[11:35] <aftereyo> atm
[11:35] <MoonUnit`> leave it then
[11:36] <aftereyo> okay
[11:36] <aftereyo> should I reboot just to see if it will work on reboot?
[11:36] <MoonUnit`> can do
[11:36] <aftereyo> okay, will do
[11:36] <aftereyo> brb
[11:40] <aftereyo> still works :D
[11:41] <aftereyo> MoonUnit`: you are a genius
[11:41] <aftereyo> Just as I was about to reinstall 14.10
[11:42] <MoonUnit`> np, it's all the stuff i learnt when kde broke on me too.
[11:42] <aftereyo> There was another guy who had the same problem
[11:43] <aftereyo> do you have his name?
[11:43] <MoonUnit`> no
[11:43] <aftereyo> was it Kaliraa
[11:43] <aftereyo> ?
[11:44] <aftereyo> I think it might have been
[11:44] <aftereyo> my log is is on windows
[11:48] <aftereyo> well Kaliraaif it was you the fix it to rename .kde .local .cache to somethign else
[11:54] <MoonUnit`> depending on what prgrams you use you might need to copy some folders back from the renamed .local, steam uses .local to hold game files etc..
[11:55] <aftereyo> i do not use steam
[16:31] <Guest67905> bonjour
[16:31] <aftereyo> merci
[16:31] <Guest67905> qui serait me dire comment changer son pseudo svp ?
[16:33] <aftereyo> bein sure mon amie
[16:33] <aftereyo> avec le chein
[16:33] <aftereyo> sur la boulangerie
[16:41] <BluesKaj> Guest86031, parle anglais ?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> oops ")
[16:42] <aftereyo> I do not speak french btw
[16:42] <BluesKaj> too many guests ,, pls choose nick you people
[16:42] <BluesKaj> aftereyo, no kidding
[16:43] <BluesKaj> the guy wanted to change his nick
[16:44] <BluesKaj> my french is a bit rusty , but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant
[16:47] <aftereyo> yes he did
[16:47] <aftereyo> did he leave??
[16:51] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:52] <atod77> Hi I'm using Kubuntu 14.10
[16:52] <atod77> when I restart my PC after some time
[16:52] <aftereyo> I am using Kubuntu 15.04
[16:53] <atod77> the CPU is consumed almost to 100% by the plasma processes
[16:54] <aftereyo> Have you tried killing it with fire?
[16:54] <atod77> and the PC is unusable. can you advice how to recognize the problem?
[16:54] <atod77> yes
[16:54] <BluesKaj> atod77, have you updated/upgraded lately?
[16:55] <atod77> I updated from previous version before mount I think
[16:55] <BluesKaj> atod77, no I mean the packages notn the OS
[16:57] <BluesKaj> atod77, open a terminal and do : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:57] <atod77> BluesKaj, ok
[17:00] <atod77> BluesKaj, Thank you! It is upgrading the kernel <IP_ADDRESS>  and Chrome. Do you expect that it will fix the problem?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> atod77,, once that's finished , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:03] <atod77> BluesKaj, after the kernel update do you expect me to restart the PC before I run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:03] <BluesKaj> upating and upgrading the packages to the latest ersions usually helps fix 50% of users problems IME
[17:03] <BluesKaj> versions
[17:04] <BluesKaj> atod77, no
[17:04] <BluesKaj> run dist-upgrade
[17:04] <atod77> BluesKaj, I'm doing it
[17:04] <BluesKaj> then reboot
[17:07] <atod77> BluesKaj, there is nothing to be upgraded
[17:08] <BluesKaj> ok , then reboot
[17:10] <atod77> BluesKaj, ok. In case the problem persists what is the best practice. What information to provide about the processes which consulme 100% CPU. With what tool the information can be taken. In what bugtrack database I should search for already reported bugs?
[17:11] <hyper_ch> Hmmm, how can install an encrypted raid1 with current Vivid Desktop iso?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> atod77, suggest you use syatem monitor/ksysguard to monitor the cpu load
[17:13] <BluesKaj> then you find which process/PID is causing the problem, atod77
[17:17] <atod77> BluesKaj, do you know what is the kubuntu bugtrack database?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> ato
[17:18] <BluesKaj> atod77, launchpad,  https://launchpad.net
[17:24] <hyper_ch> weird.... 15.04 fails to even properly start in virtualbox
[17:25] <lordievader> hyper_ch: I've heard of more problems with Vivid + VB.
[17:26] <BluesKaj> you might need to do , sudo systemctl sddm enable
[17:26] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch,^
[17:26] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: me?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:26] <hyper_ch> how?
[17:26] <hyper_ch> I can't even get the desktop cd to start
[17:27] <BluesKaj> in a vt/tty , ctl+alt+F1-F6
[17:27] <hyper_ch> acpi pcc probe failed
[17:27] <hyper_ch> no valid rapl domains foundin package 0
[17:27] <hyper_ch> when trying to start the desktop cd
[17:30] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: I still don't see how I could entery a tty if it even doesn't boot up
[17:31] <aftereyo> Hey BluesKa, you are using 15.04. How can I get dolphin to always use the detaile dlist as default
[17:32] <lordievader> hyper_ch: Try the nomodeset kernel parameter. Are you on a linux host?
[17:33] <hyper_ch> yes
[17:34] <hyper_ch> how do I set no modeset for vb?
[17:34] <hyper_ch> and why isn't an alternate install cd produced anymore?
[17:34] <BluesKaj> aftereyo, dolphin>view>adjustview properties
[17:34] <lordievader> hyper_ch: It is a kernel parameter, you set it in the live-cd menu.
[17:34] <hyper_ch> which menu?
[17:35] <lordievader> hyper_ch: The updated version of this one: http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers/kubuntu_start_install.jpg
[17:35] <hyper_ch> that doesn't appear anymore
[17:36] <aftereyo> BluesKaj: I do not have a toolbar, hence I do not have "View"
[17:36] <lordievader> hyper_ch: It does.
[17:36] <hyper_ch> no
[17:36] <lordievader> In kvm/qemu it appears.
[17:37] <aftereyo> BluesKaj: okay, I am in the preferences for dolphin
[17:37] <aftereyo> under View
[17:37] <aftereyo> but how do I set the default?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> aftereyo, right click on the toolbar>configure toolbars>show menubar then.in menubar choose main toolbar
[17:42] <hyper_ch> stupid youtube... takes like forever for processing
[17:42] <hyper_ch> lordievader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbqjXMd-brA&feature=youtu.be
[17:45] <hyper_ch> lordievader: no menu like you showed
[17:48] <aftereyo> BluesKaj: thank
[17:48] <aftereyo> I like how easy you can customize Kubuntu 15.04
[17:48] <aftereyo> instead of going through long menus
[17:49] <aftereyo> you can just do it right then and there
[17:49] <hyper_ch> so, vivid can't be run in VBox
[17:50] <BluesKaj> aftereyo,np
[17:51] <hyper_ch> and I guess the installer can't setup single disk/device raid1 with encryption either
[17:51] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, well it is a devel OS , so there are bugs , and systemd should probly be avoided if possible on a VM'
[17:52] <hyper_ch> well, I don't recall any desktop cd installer to have been able to setup single device raid1 with encryption this far
[17:52] <lordievader> hyper_ch: There is, it is sort of hidden. The keyboard with the human icon is the menu. Hit some buttuns.
[17:52] <lordievader> buttons*
[17:52] <hyper_ch> only alternate installre
[17:53] <hyper_ch> lordievader: just test it... nomodesetting didn't have any effect
[17:54] <lordievader> Hmm, try KVM ;) I can personally confirm Vivid works in KVM.
[17:54] <arcturus> has anyone ever used the smartadmin bootstrap template? for dev work
[17:54] <hyper_ch> lordievader: no kvm installed... and there shouldn't be issues with vbox
[17:56] <lordievader> 'Should not' does not allways mean there ain't any.
[17:56] <lordievader> Besides KVM is faster than VirtualBox.
[17:57] <hyper_ch> speed doesn't matter for testing
[17:58] <lordievader> Heh, right.
[17:58] <BluesKaj> lordievader, agreed, guess I'll have to pay closer attn to the newtork settings next time , but kvm is fast
[17:59] <lordievader> BluesKaj: This is a nice talk about debugging vm problems: http://video.fosdem.org/2015/devroom-virtualisation/observability.mp4
[18:28] <aftereyo> So when I click a link in here, it opens with FF instead of google chrome
[18:50] <dune_> Hi all. Got simple question - how to connect to irc.quakenet.org? I'm using Konversation (1.5-master #4303, KDE4, Kubuntu up-to-date). When trying to connect with irc.quakenet.org it stucks on connecting (shows something like "Server found, connecting..." then fails and trying again). I was trying to change ports but still no-go. Any ideas?
[18:53] <BluesKaj> dune_, google is your friend https://www.quakenet.org/servers
[18:55] <dune_> BluesKaj, I tried those servers. Still nothing. Problem is - can't find any error log or something like that. Don't know why I cannot connect with quakenet.
[18:56] <corpsemelter167> Is Quakenet still being used?
[18:57] <dune_> Yeah, by reddit.
[18:57] <lordievader> dune_: 6667 is open on underworld2.no.quakenet.org
[18:57] <lordievader> From here at least.
[18:59] <dune_> lordievader, it's not working.
[18:59] <lordievader> dune_: Have you check if the port is open for you?
[19:07] <dune_> lordievader, I just checked ports with netstat and can't see port 6667 so I'm assuming that this port is closed. That's a good trace tho, imho. Thanks for advice.
[19:07] <lordievader> dune_: Netstat will show localports, you want to check to see if you can reach the server. Use nmap or something.
[19:24] <dune_> lordievader, nmap shows that port 6667 got "filtered" status. After googling I added rule to ufw. Still nothing.
[19:25] <corpsemelter167> Doesn't 6667 mean that that port is for SSh or SSL connections?
[19:25] <corpsemelter167> I'm not too familiar with these things.
[19:26] <_matte88> hi everyone
[19:26] <corpsemelter167> Hey.
[19:29] <_matte88_> I'd like to contribute to kubuntu development
[19:29] <_matte88_> but I don't know where to start. I'm a computer engineer so I want to contribute on the programming side
[19:30] <Unit193> _matte88_: Perhaps you should ask the fine folks in #kubuntu-devel?
[19:30] <dune> Hm, it looks like I have to pass on quakenet. ;)
[19:31] <Unit193> corpsemelter167: And nope, 6667 is normally non-SSL connections.
[19:33] <corpsemelter167> So, is 6666 for SSl connections?
[19:33] <dune> why port 6667 is closed by default?
[19:33] <corpsemelter167> Disregard me, I'm stupid.
[19:33] <corpsemelter167> I'll google it.
[19:34] <Unit193> corpsemelter167: Depends on the server, 6697 is not uncommon to have it.
[19:34] <corpsemelter167> Neat.
[19:39] <_matte8> I'd like to contribute to kubuntu dev
[19:39] <_matte8> on the programming side. Where should I start?
[20:06] <aftereyo> when I do
[20:06] <aftereyo> nvm


[05:26] <lachvalk> I've got a couple bugs, but when I ask for advice on reporting them, people tell me to RTFM, and I'm still not clear :(
[05:27] <lachvalk> Neither seem reported, probably not very popular packages.
[05:29] <lachvalk> One crashes Xorg, so I'm not sure how to collect data on it, and I'm loathe to crash my desktop experimenting.
[13:35] <belkinsa> Hello.  Is the 5 A Day group still active?


[11:37] <mup> Bug #1895826 opened: Problem with PXE 2.1 v6.0.40 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1895826>
[11:43] <mup> Bug #1895826 changed: Problem with PXE 2.1 v6.0.40 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1895826>
[11:46] <mup> Bug #1895826 opened: Problem with PXE 2.1 v6.0.40 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1895826>
[22:39] <dking> I'm new to MaaS and am currently using Bifrost/Ironic for baremetal provisioning. If anybody is free, I would like to ask some questions to see whether MaaS might be worth considering for us. First, would MaaS allow the installation of custom images, such as CentOS? Also, is there a cleaning feature, whether native or which could be added through a plugin, to allow wiping disks and updating BIOS and BMC firmware for a server?


[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[09:12] <Laney> meow
[09:20] <ogra_> moo
[09:26] <iulian> Woof.
[11:14] <bluesabre> chirp
[17:27] <reversiblean> let's say i want to fix a bitesize bug like 'typo' :) Do I have to pull whole branch using 'bzr branch'?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> reversiblean: yes
[17:30] <reversiblean> shadeslayer: okay! but it takes too long though.
[17:37] <Ampelbein> reversiblean: You don't need the complete history to do a small fix. I seem to remember there was a bzr option to only get the current state.
[17:38] <Ampelbein> reversiblean: --lightweight
[17:38] <shadeslayer> but then you want to commit and push
[17:38] <reversiblean> Ampelbein: thanks for the info. that's what i was looking for.
[17:38] <shadeslayer> to your own branch
[17:38] <shadeslayer> would that work with --lightweight?
[17:40] <Ampelbein> Let me try.
[17:41] <Ampelbein> Meh, seems to download the whole branch when pushing.
[17:43] <Ampelbein> But you can use it to create a debdiff and attach that to the bugreport. Seems more sensible than pointlessly downloading hundreds of MB of data.
[18:13] <onli> hi. i have a strange problem with launchpads ppa-system
[18:15] <Ampelbein> onli: What is the problem?
[18:17] <onli> Ampelbein, I pushed a new code version to https://launchpad.net/~onli/+archive/ubuntu/simdock, that is not changing the build process. but the resulting package for i386 spits an "unknown machine command" error at a specific point of the program (when clicking an icon) that is not there on a local compile
[18:18] <onli> I do know that error only from trying programs for amd64 on i386, but this is after the program itself started. So i'm stumped what's happening there
[18:19] <Ampelbein> Let me check.
[18:20] <Ampelbein> Does that happen for all releases?
[18:22] <onli> I only checked the i386-version, but if you mean for all of the packages ever made: no, that is new
[18:22] <onli> it worked before
[18:23] <Ampelbein> No, I mean if it happens in Utopic and Trusty for example or only on Utopic
[18:26] <onli> ah, ok. Trusty, I only tested trusty
[18:28] <Ampelbein> Hmm, I can't see anything obviously wrong.
[18:28] <Ampelbein> Sorry.
[18:29] <onli> Ok, thanks for trying
[18:31] <reversiblean> Ampelbein: Why do I get "bzr: ERROR: lp:~reversiblean/+junk/<pkg-name> has no associated product or source package." when running 'bzr lp-propose'?
[18:34] <onli> I'll idle a while, if someone has an idea… I seriously have not one idea apart from "the build system must differ"


[08:06] <wblackstone> hi
[08:06] <wblackstone> upgrade  brkke things
[08:07] <wblackstone> kyyboard nnjut
[08:07] <wblackstone> input
[08:07] <wblackstone> led stopped wifi
[08:09] <wblackstone> kb broke
[08:10] <wblackstone> can u fix?
[08:11] <wblackstone> sound works sometimes
[08:11] <wblackstone> works now
[08:12] <wblackstone> fix kb
[08:14] <wblackstone> no see eelect input setng
[08:15] <wblackstone> ne vis per jur
[08:16] <wblackstone> en pec kb
[08:17] <wblackstone> sit fil um
[08:17] <wblackstone> bono
[08:17] <wblackstone> eclesia dei
[08:18] <wblackstone> pro tu
[08:18] <wblackstone> vive espiritu!
[08:20] <knome> please stop.
[08:20] <wblackstone> torbus infiiitum preces loeem ipsum
[08:20] <wblackstone> tori
[08:20] <knome> wblackstone, have you finished?
[08:21] <wblackstone> knome fix kb
[08:22] <wblackstone> updaee broke kb
[08:22] <knome> wblackstone, that is not even a question, and you're not giving any details either; how is your keyboard "broken"?
[08:22] <knome> which upgrade?
[08:22] <wblackstone> bionic
[08:22] <knome> from what release did you upgrade from?
[08:23] <wblackstone> frmm 16 -> bioiic
[08:23] <knome> ok, and how is your keyboard broken?
[08:24] <wblackstone> no input
[08:24] <knome> usb? bluetooth?
[08:24] <wblackstone> no showing
[08:25] <wblackstone> ps2 buss?
[08:25] <wblackstone> hp mini
[08:26] <knome> laptop?
[08:27] <wblackstone> netbook
[08:27] <knome> ok, which hp mini?
[08:29] <wblackstone> mine
[08:29] <knome> very funny.
[08:29] <knome> maybe stop the trolling and be able to get help?
[08:30] <wblackstone> the moeel num is hostname
[08:30] <knome> i do not have your hostname, and haven't got telepathic skills
[08:31] <wblackstone> xubuntu-HP-Mini-110-1000
[08:31] <knome> have you plugged in an external keyboard - does that work?
[08:32] <wblackstone> yu  need a eeaarc advisor clone
[08:32] <knome> i thought it was you who needed support, but i guess i was mistaken...
[08:32] <mous> knome: obvious low grade troll
[08:32] <wblackstone> dees xubnntu dffault to evdev?
[08:33] <wblackstone> smmple haee an inutt eelect eetting
[08:34] <knome> wblackstone, ok, since you're not even responding to me; good luck.
[08:34] <wblackstone> knome an input selector needed
[08:35] <wblackstone> mabee g baack oo uunntu 10 hhen
[08:36] <wblackstone> this is absurd
[08:38] <wblackstone> can ouu build a custom iso?
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> live-build can do that
[08:38] <pmjdebruijn> but it's not super easy to use
[08:39] <wblackstone> you have model
[08:39] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[08:39] <mous> pmjdebruijn: he's trolling :(
[08:40] <wblackstone> no no playboy
[08:41] <wblackstone> step back
[08:43] <wblackstone> no gretchy green in it for yuu stop crowding
[08:44] <wblackstone> this be my support tckt
[08:45] <wblackstone> fix kb
[08:55] <wblackstone> knome how fix
[08:56] <wblackstone> yuu can be a hero
[08:57] <wblackstone> something needbbe done wthh internet oointnngat freenode
[08:58] <wblackstone> it all points here
[08:59] <wblackstone> be great
[09:00] <wblackstone> bono, vive espiritu!
[11:00] <xubuntu76d_> Hello. I had some troubles some time ago after installing CUDA: black screen appeared and I cannot login. I solved the problem running some commands suggested here. I was able of work, but always, when entering the system I got this message: Ubuntu 18.04 has experienced an internal erros. It is about Xorg assert failure. Nvidia is mentioned in the details of the report to be sent with the error. Unfortunately there is no way to
[11:03] <xubuntu76d_> I have other problem that might have the same cause: I cannot use apt install to install packages. I got this: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglx-mesa0 : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 18.0.0~rc5-1ubuntu1) but 18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1 is to be installed
[11:04] <xubuntu76d_> For example, when trying to install 'htop': sudo apt install htop  Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglx-mesa0 : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 18.0.0~rc5-1ubuntu1) but 18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1 is to be installed  tikzit : Depends: gnustep-base-runtime (>=
[11:04] <xubuntu76d_> Running 'apt --fix-broken install.. doesn't help
[11:07] <xubuntu76d_> Any suggestion to analyse the problem?
[11:44] <knome> xubuntu76d_, try 'sudo apt dist-upgrade' ?
[11:48] <xubuntu76d_> diogenes_, thank you for helping. I didn't remember if I have run that command before.  Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglx-mesa0 : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 18.0.0~rc5-1ubuntu1) but 18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1 is installed  tikzit : Depends: gnustep-base-runtime (>= 1.24.7) but it is not installed           De
[11:52] <diogenes_> xubuntu76d_, and what do you get if you run this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:53] <xubuntu76d_> http://termbin.com/x7of
[11:53] <diogenes_> omg
[11:54] <diogenes_> i've never seen such source.list :)
[11:54] <xubuntu76d_> diogenes_, may I know what you have discovery?
[11:54] <xubuntu76d_> descovered
[11:56] <diogenes_> sorry i'm on debian right now and there's literally 3 sources whereas you've got tons in there
[11:56] <diogenes_> can anyone confirm if deb http://pt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[11:56] <diogenes_> is a standard xubuntu ^^^^
[12:00] <xubuntu76d_> Sorry, I'll be away for about 2 hours. I'll be back...
[14:24] <xubuntu76d> Hi, I have lost my internet connection, so I probably miss some answer on my previous question: I'm not able at using apt install.  diogenes_ asked me for the sources.list. It is here: http://termbin.com/x7of
[16:00] <xubuntu76d> diogenes_, do you have some suggestion to make the packages installer to work?
[16:00] <xubuntu76d> The source.list is here: http://termbin.com/x7of
[16:01] <xubuntu76d> I remember that when running apt install I got this: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglx-mesa0 : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 18.0.0~rc5-1ubuntu1) but 18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1 is to be installed
[16:14] <Spass> xubuntu76d, strange, I've just checked that libglx-mesa0 package and it depends on libglapi-mesa (= 18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1) on my system
[16:14] <Spass> is your system updated? sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[16:21] <xubuntu76d> Spass, I have just updated, but I can't upgrade: $ sudo apt upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglx-mesa0 : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 18.0.0~rc5-1ubuntu1) but 18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken inst
[16:22] <Spass> xubuntu76d, and did you try "sudo apt --fix-broken install"?
[16:22] <xubuntu76d> yeap. I will will try again
[16:23] <Spass> xubuntu76d, those two can hep sometimes - "sudo apt install -f" and "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[16:25] <xubuntu76d> Spass, for --fix broken install I had this error: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libglx-mesa0_18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1_amd64.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGLX_indirect.so.0', which is also in package nvidia-396 396.37-0ubuntu1 Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/libglx-mesa0_18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg re
[16:25] <xubuntu76d> I will run the other two
[16:26] <xubuntu76d> Still the same errors....
[16:27] <Spass> how did you install NVIDIA drivers? from the official repo or from somewhere else?
[16:29] <Spass> xubuntu76d, seems like your NVIDIA driver is responsible for this dependencies issue
[16:30] <Spass> 390.48 is what I see in the official repos
[16:35] <xubuntu76d> Spass, I think you are right. I don't remember, but I think I have installed from the official repositories. I had to upgrade the driver, as far as I remember. For that I think I follow instructions from some forum.
[16:36] <xubuntu76d> Spass, I found the set of commands I have used
[16:37] <xubuntu76d> sudo apt-get purge nvidia* sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install nvidia-390
[16:37] <Spass> yeah, you've added additional repo for the drivers, that's a testing repository and can cause problems
[16:38] <Spass> what you can do is go back to the "official" drivers
[16:38] <xubuntu76d> Ah, okay
[16:40] <xubuntu76d> Do you now.... it is a nighmare to have CUDA working in laptops with Optimus system (GPU from Intel and NVidia). I think I end up with that solution after trying other things. Note also, that at that time, when I restart (after having CUDA running), I got a black screen after login. I solved with this three commands: sudo apt --fix-broken install sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-396_396.26-0ubuntu1_a
[16:40] <xubuntu76d> Does it mean that  I have official driver?
[16:41] <Spass> 390.48 is in the official ubuntu repos at the moment
[16:42] <xubuntu76d> hum... I think I can not have CUDA running with that driver...
[16:45] <xubuntu76d> Spass, I need to decide if I will install the official drivers, because I need to work with CUDA and I don't want to loose lots of time to setup everythink properly again. However a system without 'apt install' is very restrictive
[16:47] <Spass> xubuntu76d, I'm not sure about CUDA on 390.48 unfortunately
[16:49] <Spass> if you have time to test, you could go back to Nouveau, disable that NVIDIA PPA in the software-properties-gtk, and try 390.48
[16:50] <Spass> and if CUDA wouldn't work for some reason, you could enable that PPA and upgrade to 396 again
[16:54] <xubuntu76d> Spass, thank you very much for your help. I' not 'fluent' on this Linux operations... Actually I don't know how to go back to Nouveau (and I have only some idea on what Nouveau is...)
[16:55] <xubuntu76d> hum.. https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[16:56] <xubuntu76d> From this site https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/UbuntuPackages/
[16:57] <xubuntu76d> I can run:
[16:57] <xubuntu76d> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/nouveau sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[16:57] <xubuntu76d> How to get back 396 again?
[16:57] <Spass> xubuntu76d, Nouveau is an open source driver for NVIDIA, and remember that in Xubuntu/Ubuntu it's very easy to change between the available drivers - https://ibb.co/dDHFkz
[16:57] <Spass> no, do not add any additional PPA
[16:59] <xubuntu76d> ok. :) you send me a snapshot written in a language that I unfortunately don't understand :)
[16:59] <xubuntu76d> Where to go in the  system? Can you tell me, please?
[16:59] <Spass> software-properties-gtk
[17:00] <Spass> Software & Updates
[17:00] <xubuntu76d> okay :)
[17:00] <Spass> Additional Drivers tab
[17:00] <Spass> this is what you should do in the first place, instead of adding some testing PPAs ;)
[17:01] <Spass> and from that settings you can also disable that testing NVIDIA drivers PPA
[17:02] <Spass> in the second tab
[17:02] <xubuntu76d> Yeap, I'm looking to the two tabs you refered to
[17:08] <xubuntu76d> The software-properties-gtk has stopped unexpectedly when I' trying to change to 390. Let me try again
[17:09] <xubuntu76d> hum...~$ software-properties-gtk Failed to register: Timeout was reached
[17:10] <xubuntu76d> I can restart..
[17:10] <xubuntu76d> I'm on Software and Updates again
[17:14] <xubuntu76d> I'm fighting with the system to change the drivers. I'm obtaining this message in the console: ~$ software-properties-gtk Warning: install transaction not completed successfully: Transaction failed: The package system is broken  The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglx-mesa0: Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 18.0.0~rc5-1ubuntu1) but 18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1 is installed               Depends: libx11-6 (>= 2:<IP_ADDRESS>) but
[17:16] <Spass> xubuntu76d, you're trying to change to Nouveau?
[17:17] <xubuntu76d> Yes
[17:19] <xubuntu76d> It doesn't allow me. It reverts back to 396 driver
[17:22] <Spass> at this point I'd probably try to: disable that PPA and purge the 396 driver and libglapi-mesa completely from the system, but that could potentially result in broken X / black screen on startup, but then you could always install "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" or "nvidia-390" from the tty1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1)
[17:23] <Spass> but since that my solution is "not safe" you can look for some other solutions or wait here for some feedback from other users
[17:36] <xubuntu76d> Spass, your help was fantastic. Thank you. I will try what you suggest when I have a copy of my current work and time to fix possible problems (mybe the weekend)
[17:38] <Spass> xubuntu76d, yes, backups are important, and like I said, possible 'black screen' isn't that scary when you know that you can still fux / install stuff from the tty1 ;)
[17:38] <Spass> *fix
[17:40] <xubuntu76d> okay. Thanks, again, Spass


[02:49] <glitchd> hello all
[02:50] <glitchd> so im trying to figure out how to change the background color of the notification area/indicator applet since its not matching my theme. i just want to make it transparent, but i cant find the correct info about how to do this
[08:30] <quint> I just got a strange notification sound during a battery notification
[08:30] <quint> Short chime
[08:30] <quint> Never heard it before. What's providing that?
[12:10] <xubuntu62i> i can't use ctrl+alt+t to open terminal
[12:51] <jk^> for error i uninstalled "Schermo" :\
[12:51] <jk^> how to reinstall? i can't find it in "Software"
[12:51] <jk^> "Schermo" is "Monitor" in italian
[12:52] <jk^> i can't even join #xubuntu-it
[18:16] <jk^> freenode tells me #xubuntu-it is only invite channel
[18:16] <jk^> how to have an invite?
[18:16] <jk^> for error i uninstalled "Schermo" :\
 how to reinstall? i can't find it in "Software"
 "Schermo" is "Monitor" in italian
 i can't even join #xubuntu-it
[18:17] <pleia2> it's not invite-only
[18:18] <pleia2> in fact, you're in there now
[18:18] <pleia2> anyway, seems like you got it sorted
[18:19] <pleia2> ah, that's ubuntu-it
[18:19] <pleia2> looks like the xubuntu one was closed
[18:19] <pleia2> it just forwards you to #ubuntu-it, which you are already in (which is why it claims it's invite-only)
[18:29] <jk^> problem with connession
[18:30] <jk^> thanks
[18:30] <jk^> however the problem, i unistalled by wrong "Schermo"
[18:30] <jk^> and now i can't find it in "Software"
[18:30] <jk^> to reinstall it
[18:34] <jk^> Translation of "Schermo" is "Monitor" probably
[21:03] <jk^> i always fall down
[21:03] <jk^> how to reinstall "Schermo"? for wrong i unistalled it :\ but now i can't find it in "Software"
[21:47] <hk238> hello I'm trying to install a fix for Asus USB N10 Nano, a wireless usb adapter
[21:47] <hk238> but it's not quite working out
[21:47] <hk238> how can I view the 'current USB ID' of the device?
[21:49] <well_laid_lawn> hk238:  have   dmesg -w   running in a terminal before you attach the device
[21:52] <hk238> thanks I could try that