[10:49] <ppisati> "
[10:49] <ppisati> ops
[12:18]  * ppisati -> out to buy some food
[12:43] <tgardner> apw, bug #943119
[12:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 943119 in linux "aufs.ko missing from the Precise kernels" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943119
[12:43] <cking> tgardner, i think apw is out of action today
[12:48]  * cking going to be back 'n' forth between keyboard and downstairs - got the plumber fixing a burst pipe
[13:33] <henrix> jsalisbury: ping
[14:03] <ppisati> tgardner: what's happened to the P/omap4 kernel? i see it in git but the package is not queued for building
[14:04] <tgardner> ppisati, its pending approval until after B1 is released
[14:04] <tgardner> likely Thursday
[14:07] <ppisati> ok
[14:23] <cking> hrm, netconsole is surprisingly good at capturing S4 issues
[14:24] <tgardner> cking, really? I would not have expected that the network subsystem was alive in the earliest phases.
[14:25] <cking> tgardner, it's giving me enough info on the resume phase, and that's the part i'm interesting in  - using no_console_suspend helps ;-)
[14:26] <jsalisbury> henrix, ping
[14:26] <henrix> jsalisbury: hi. just a quick question
[14:27] <henrix> jsalisbury: i believe that bug #938195
[14:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 938195 in linux "kernel 3.2.0-17-generic crashes constantly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938195
[14:27] <henrix> is a duplicated of bug #910519
[14:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 910519 in linux "network breaks - ath9k for TP-Link 5008" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/910519
[14:27] <henrix> what do you think?
[14:27] <henrix> i'm asking you because you initially tagged it as rc6
[14:29] <henrix> jsalisbury: btw, i have built a test kernel for this (or these) bug(s)
[14:29] <jsalisbury> henrix, yes they do look like dups comparing the trace
[14:30] <jsalisbury> henrix, The bug reporter for 938195 has been unable to reproduce the bug by enabling rc6
[14:30] <henrix> yeah, and there's another dup for these bugs (924486)
[14:30] <jsalisbury> henrix, ok
[14:31] <jsalisbury> henrix, we can pick one as the "Master" bug and mark the others as duplicates of it
[14:32] <henrix> jsalisbury: the reporter of 938195 ends up saying at some point that his system crashed w/ rc6
[14:32] <henrix> jsalisbury: check comment 34)
[14:32] <henrix> jsalisbury: i was planning to pick the oldest bug as the master
[14:33] <henrix> jsalisbury: is this ok?
[14:33] <jsalisbury> henrix, sounds good
[14:33] <henrix> jsalisbury: ok, cool.
[14:33] <henrix> jsalisbury: and thanks
[14:34] <jsalisbury> henrix, np.  Is this the same patch that is mentined in bug 923512?
[14:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 923512 in linux "ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512
[14:35] <jsalisbury> henrix, actually, probably not.
[14:35] <henrix> jsalisbury: let me take a look...
[14:37] <jsalisbury> henrix, They probably are not releated.  923512 was for wifi not working not crashes
[14:37] <henrix> jsalisbury: yeah, doesn't look the same. and the patch is not the same
[14:38] <henrix> jsalisbury: but i'll take a closer look. they may be related...
[14:38] <jsalisbury> henrix, ok, thanks
[14:38] <henrix> no prob
[14:40] <cking> jsalisbury, do we have any trends on ath9k crashing on boot?
[14:41] <cking> causing an un-bootable system?
[14:42] <jsalisbury> cking, not crashing on boot, but crashing at run time and producing call traces.
[14:43] <tgardner> ogasawara, do you suppose we should more widely advertise the fact that we don't plan to support aufs ? given the deficiencies we've encountered with overlayfs, we may have to change our minds. see bug #903897
[14:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 903897 in linux "-virtual kernel missing modules" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/903897
[14:43] <ogasawara> tgardner: yah I saw it.  I ran into a similar bug request the other day and have duped it to that one.
[14:44] <ogasawara> tgardner: I've been posting a blurb about aufs to every milestone's TechnicalOverview.  I can craft a more wide spread email.
[14:44] <tgardner> ogasawara, given that apw has kept aufs up to date, I'm tempted to just turn it back on. maybe overlayfs will get its problems fixed in 3.5
[14:44] <jsalisbury> cking, There was this one though bug 894584
[14:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 894584 in linux "ath9k driver causes kernel panic" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894584
[14:45] <jsalisbury> cking, However, the original bug reporter stated he could not reproduce the issue.
[14:45] <tgardner> ogasawara, I know you need more email in your inbox, but perhaps we should request use case scenarios on ubuntu-devel ?
[14:46] <ogasawara> tgardner: indeed, I'd like some compelling evidence for carrying it for the next 5 years
[14:47] <tgardner> ogasawara, ok, while you're sending out that email I'll go figure out why Lucid doesn't build
[14:47] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[14:52] <cking> jsalisbury, bug 919815 manifests this problem, but I've seen nobody else with this issue - which makes me wonder if it is a (broken) H/W issue
[14:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 919815 in linux "Ubuntu freeze on battery after power on/off - blacklisting ath9k stops freeze" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/919815
[14:57] <jsalisbury> cking, hmm, yeah maybe hw issue with the wifi device itself
[14:58] <jsalisbury> cking, I suppose I can ask him to try an oneiric or earlier kernel to confirm
[15:00] <cking> jsalisbury, well, we could try this out, but I was wondering if we had seen other ath9k regressions - but if not, it is worth trying out a previous version just in case. But my gut feeling is that it is borked H/W
[15:00] <jsalisbury> cking, no pattern of ath9k regressions similar to this bug
[15:01]  * cking nods. google searches affirm that assertion ;-)
[15:01] <cking> lemme chat to him - he reached out to me privately, so I will plug away at this bug with him
[15:02] <jsalisbury> cking, ok, thanks
[15:03] <tgardner> herton to the rescue. I see the Lucid build problem is already fixed by bumping ABI
[15:04] <herton> yeah, fixed some minutes ago :)
[15:10]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:11] <ppisati> didn't we have an installer called ubiquity (or something like that)?
[15:12] <tgardner> ppisati, that is the live CD installer
[15:12] <ppisati> tgardner: yeah but i remember using it to "move" my sd card installation to the external usb hdd
[15:13] <tgardner> ppisati, seek out evan dandrea
[15:13] <ppisati> tgardner: i'll do
[15:13] <ppisati> tgardner: but could be that i'm wrong
[15:14] <tgardner> ppisati, even if you are, Evan will likely know the right tool
[15:14] <ppisati> tgardner: ok, then i'll do
[15:36] <tgardner> jsalisbury, did you see "testkernel script to automate trying new kernels" on the ubuntu-devel list ?
[15:49] <jsalisbury> tgardner, I did not, but I'll look now
[15:51] <jsalisbury> tgardner, I'm not subscribed to that list, but I'll subscribe now.
[16:31]  * tgardner drops offline to reconfigure a router
[16:34] <allan_shand> Hello is any one online at the moment?
[16:47] <allan_shand> I have a problem with one of my machines not booting linux kernel you can find more info here http://askubuntu.com/questions/58763/why-wont-ubuntu-11-04-11-10-boot-after-install
[17:27] <jMCg>  * Starting Userspace bootsplash                                         [ OK ]
[17:28] <jMCg> How do I get rid of that, since I'm pretty and sure my servers won't need that.
[17:57] <jMCg> Boot is taking obscenely long: http://dpaste.com/709502/ What I don't understand is the part where it says "Waiting for network..." --
[17:57] <jMCg> ...that doesn't make sense, considering that the /backup (cifs) and /home (nfs) where mounted before that point.
[18:52] <jsalisbury> sforshee, I recall you have a few Macbooks.  Have you seen this regression: bug 942334
[18:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 942334 in linux "synaptics touchpad no longer seems to detect 2- and 3-finger clicks" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942334
[18:54]  * tgardner -> lunch
[19:03] <Sarvatt> jsalisbury: it's because of http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git;a=commit;h=1dbed2d965092b1d119e791689ed1895018a0c99 but its a problem in the software stack
[19:04] <Sarvatt> jsalisbury: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/941046 is the bug
[19:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 941046 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Recent "clickpad patch" breaks two-finger-right-click" [High,Triaged]
[19:05] <jsalisbury> Sarvatt, cool, thanks.  Then bug 942334 is a dup then.
[19:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 942334 in linux "synaptics touchpad no longer seems to detect 2- and 3-finger clicks" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942334
[19:06] <Sarvatt> yep, except 3 finger was disabled on purpose i believe since it interferes with utouch stuff I think? not having right click is nasty on these things right now though, been having to use http://paste.ubuntu.com/862318/
[19:07] <jsalisbury> Sarvatt, thanks for the info!
[19:11] <cking> hrm, now I've added netconsole my box has not crashed onced today. Urgh.
[19:36] <phiphi> I recently read about improved jack-detection landing in the kernel. unfortunately on my machine it still doesn't work. Can I help to fix that?
[19:39] <cking> phiphi, best to talk to diwic, however, he's normally around 0800-1700UTC
[19:45] <phiphi> can I send a mail to diwic?
[20:24]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:26] <allan_shand> Is there any one online at the moment?
[20:32] <allan_shand> I have a problem with all of the recent kernels I have some information about the problem here http://askubuntu.com/questions/58763/why-wont-ubuntu-11-04-11-10-boot-after-install
[20:33] <jsalisbury> allan_shand, I would recommend opening a bug by running the following from a terminal: ubuntu-bug linux
[20:35] <allan_shand> I can't Install ubuntu to start a kernel bug the bug stops ubuntu from being Installed.
[20:36] <allan_shand> I ran a verbose boot from the Live disk and the line in the Question at askubuntu is the line it stops at during the boot of the live disk
[20:36] <jsalisbury> allan_shand, what version are you trying to install?  If possible, can you see if you can boot from a Live CD?
[20:38] <jsalisbury> allan_shand, so you can boot/install 10.04 and 10.10, but not 11.10?
[20:39] <allan_shand> At the moment I have 10.10 on the system I have tried all versions including the current daily build of 12.04 all with the same result.
[20:39] <allan_shand> I was able to boot 10.04-3 but since the update to 10.04-4 this also won't boot
[20:40] <allan_shand> 10.10 will boot /10.04-4 no /11.04 no /11.10 no /12.04 no
[20:41] <jsalisbury> allan_shand, can you boot into 10.10 and open a bug?  That way we can gather some information about your system.  That will allow some further debugging and possible testing of kernels.
[20:42] <allan_shand> how should I inform about the bug being about a different kernel?
[20:43] <jsalisbury> allan_shand, Just add that information as a comment, and I can add the appropiate tags
[20:44] <allan_shand> give me a couple of minutes to boot and set up the bug thank you for the advice jsalisbury
[20:44] <jsalisbury> allan_shand, thanks for reporting the bug!
[20:47] <allan_shand> btw I forget should I run ubuntu bug as sudo?
[20:49] <jsalisbury> allan_shand, sure.  If you don't you'll be prompted for the administrative password.
[21:02] <allan_shand> Bug posted #943585 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/943585
[21:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 943585 in linux "All kernel's after 2.6.35-32-generic fail to boot" [Undecided,New]
[21:08]  * tgardner -> EOD
[21:34] <kklimonda> hey, what's the definition of "SAUCE"? Are those ubuntu-specific patches, or are they backported from staging and other upstream branches?
[21:39] <smoser> smb, ping
[21:39] <smoser> if you're awake
[21:40] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/862565/ is pastebin of cg1.4xlarge, it had a soft lockup on boot
[21:50] <ogasawara> kklimonda: SAUCE basically means it's usually a patch which has been submitted upstream but not yet applied to Linus' tree but it is of enough value for ubuntu to carry it.
[21:51] <ogasawara> kklimonda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/StablePatchFormat might help explain
[21:53] <kklimonda> ogasawara: and can I grep through changelog to see what "SAUCES" have been applied to the precise kernel, or should I just clone the git repository?
[21:53] <ogasawara> kklimonda: yep, you should be able to grep through the changelog for "SAUCE"
[21:54] <kklimonda> ogasawara: great, thanks
[22:05] <htorque> jsalisbury: bug 943625 - sorry again for hijacking the other report. :-)
[22:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 943625 in linux "[drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943625
[22:06] <jsalisbury> htorque, not a problem.  Thanks for opening a new bug.


[15:16] <AlanBell> tumbleweed: hiya, are you planning on doing UDS audio feed recordings again?
[15:17] <tumbleweed> AlanBell: yeah. I must also poke someone in canonical to publish official ones from lastUDS
[15:18] <AlanBell> I have just been asking about that
[15:19] <tumbleweed> any progress?
[15:19] <AlanBell> no, not really, I think they record them and just file the recordings
[15:20] <tumbleweed> well, that's at least solveable
[15:21] <AlanBell> do you know who to poke about it?
[15:28] <tumbleweed> no
[15:33]  * tumbleweed gets the feeling he needs a todo list of people to harass at UDS :)
[21:37] <valorie> " todo list of people to harass at UDS "
[21:37] <valorie> \o/


[12:08] <bregma> hey lads, I won't be around for standup today, I have to run an errand up Renfrew way
[12:09] <bregma> if anyone sees dandrader, tell him I need the two latest merge proposals reviewed ASAP
[12:21] <tvoss> bregma, ack
[13:09] <dandrader> bregma, is there a coding style that utouch-geis follows for C++ code?
[14:14] <tvoss> finishing hd recovery, preparations for sprint
[14:15] <tvoss> dandrader, standups :)
[14:16] <dandrader> reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~bregma/utouch-geis/gtest-refactor/+merge/103738 and learning about some fancy C++ constructs along the way (like std::bind)
[14:22] <tvoss> dandrader, pointers to member functions are so much fun :)
[14:22] <tvoss> therefore mem_fun
[14:22] <xerent> getting ready to test my multi-touch controller with ubuntu. are generic HID multi-touch digitizer drivers included in 12.04 LTS? will they load automatically when the USB device is detected and the interface/report descriptors parsed? should I do anything in preparation or just slap the device on the USB bus?
[14:23] <xerent> lots of stupid questions, bear with me ;)
[14:25] <dandrader> xerent, I think cnd would be the guy to answer those questions but he's not around today (even though still logged on).
[14:28] <xerent> i'll stay idle, don't worry :)
[16:09] <bregma> dandrader|afk, MP requested changes done, could be please give another review so I can  SRU #987539 (and others) today?
[16:10] <bregma> bug 987539 is a regression from 11.10
[16:34] <bregma> thank ye
[17:08] <bregma> I hate writing SRUs, they make me feel like I'm doing something wrong for some reason
[18:02] <dandrader> bregma, that's probably part of the idea behind the SRU process :)
[18:03] <bregma> I guess it's like dating:  if you don;t feel humiliated, you're doing it wrong
[19:26] <dandrader> bregma, let's suppose I have two subscriptions in a utouch-geis client that's _not_ using atomic gestures: a 3-touches Touch and a 4-touches Drag. Then I get a GestureBegin for a 3-touches touch. How do I know that there's not a 4-fingers drag coming up?
[19:27] <dandrader> because if I accept that 3-fingers touch straight away I won't ever receive the 4-fingers drag, right?
[19:29] <bregma> at this point, I'm just not sure any more
[19:30] <bregma> I think we need Chase to give us an overview of non-atomic gestures next week
[19:30] <dandrader> yep
[19:31] <dandrader> I recall that at least in GRAIL api there's a property telling you whether all possible gesture combinations have already been presented
[19:32] <dandrader> so that, in this case, you would know whether it's safe to accept the 3-touches' Touch as there's not a possibility for a 4 touches' drag anymore containing the same touch points
[19:33] <dandrader> UGSlicePropertyConstructionFinished
[19:33] <dandrader> bregma, is that property or concept exposed in geis?
[19:34] <bregma> nope
[19:36] <dandrader> hmmm, I think we need such thing in Geis. I just hit a wall in the unity gestures implementation using non-atomic rules. Unless I implement a kind of timeout mechanism on unity side, which wouldn't be nice
[19:38] <bregma> it would need to be transformed into an event (so, from level-triggered to edge-triggered)