[12:21] <SloMoSnail> when i updated a universe package to compile with gcc 4.0 (no c++ problem, it's a plain c program) shall I create a bugreport at bugzilla or launchpad with the debdiff?
[12:24] <comadreja> SloMoSnail : afaik, if it's universe, and no cxxtransition... should go to revu
[12:24] <comadreja> but don't trust me :)
[12:25] <sistpoty> i agree -> revu, but don't trust me either ;)
[12:27] <SloMoSnail> well, ogra said this morning that transitions don't go to revu and cxxtransition goes to bugzilla ;) but what about this?
[12:27] <comadreja> yes, transitions go to bugzilla
[12:28] <comadreja> but afaiu that is not a transition
[12:28] <comadreja> I mean, the wiki only talks about cxxtransition, and motuglutransition
[12:28] <Lathiat> SloMoSnail: what changes were needed?
[12:30] <comadreja> Lathiat : did you solve the pbuilder problem ?
[12:30] <Lathiat> comadreja: yeh i got someone elses base.tgz :)
[12:30] <comadreja> damn
[12:30] <comadreja> they've gotta solve that asap
[12:31] <SloMoSnail> Lathiat: just a one-liner... a missing semicolon ;) siretat said i should make a bugreport for that but he didn't say where...
[12:31] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:31] <Lathiat> SloMoSnail: malone
[12:31] <Lathiat> i assume
[12:31] <seth_k> Lathiat: feel free to point other people at that base.tgz if they need it; i have bandwidth to burn
[12:31] <SloMoSnail> ogra: ping?
[12:31] <comadreja> seth_k: I need it
[12:31] <Lathiat> seth_k: ok
[12:32] <seth_k> comadreja: http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/
[12:32] <comadreja> thanks :)
[12:32] <seth_k> not a problem :D
[12:41] <pef> good night !
[12:42] <comadreja> nite :)
[12:49] <havoc> where would I find (online) a list of all ubuntu packages?
[12:49] <havoc> (that may be a stupid question)
[12:50] <havoc> nm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[12:51] <havoc> nope, that's not it
[12:51] <ajmitch> packages.ubuntu.com
[12:51] <havoc> thanx
[12:51] <ajmitch> not a list, but you can look them up there
[12:51] <havoc> hey, another familiar person
[12:51] <havoc> ajmitch: hi :)
[12:51] <ajmitch> or you could just grab the Packages.bz2 off the mirror
[12:51] <ajmitch> hi :)
[12:52] <havoc> a lot of gnue ppl here it seems
[12:52] <dredg> apt-cache pkgnames
[12:52] <havoc> ok, LTSP *is* included in ubutu
[12:53] <havoc> ubuntu
[12:53] <havoc> dredg: I needed an online/web listing
[12:53] <schweeb> havoc: yes, it's actually being developed on ubuntu now, iirc
[12:53] <havoc> schweeb: ah, cool
[12:53] <ajmitch> havoc: sure, I maintain the gnue packages for debian/ubuntu :)
[12:54] <havoc> I'm putting together a report for a client for a 'linux office' in which I'm going to recommend LTSP on ubuntu
[12:54] <schweeb> I haven't heard much from the local LTSP guy lately... but I'm pretty sure that was the plan... Jim was his name I believe
[12:54] <havoc> or standalone ubuntu
[12:54] <schweeb> ajmitch probably met him
[12:54] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:54] <havoc> but there's still much I'm trying to learn about both
[12:54] <ajmitch> I don't think I talked to him much
[12:55] <schweeb> whiprush usually does
[12:55] <schweeb> but whip was probably busy humping some GNOME guys' legs
[12:55] <ajmitch> haha
[12:55] <havoc> posibbly OT, but can LTSP thin-clients handle local USB/serial/parallel/firewire and audio connections?
[12:55] <schweeb> audio yes... parallel, I believe so
[12:56] <schweeb> USB/serial/firewire not so sure
[12:56] <havoc> I'd assume it would have to somehow
[12:56] <schweeb> if it's not supported, it's in the works
[12:56] <schweeb> well...
[12:56] <schweeb> problem is
[12:56] <havoc> I asked in #ltsp and am waiting
[12:56] <havoc> ...patiently
[12:56] <schweeb> USB devices would have to be shared back to the LTSP server via SAMBA
[12:56] <schweeb> or NFS
[12:56] <havoc> ah
[12:56] <schweeb> afaik
[12:57] <havoc> basically I was contracted to write this report/proposal, and if it's accepted I will also be charged with designing/building everything
[12:58] <havoc> cuz apparently I'm the only person my client knows who's capable of doing research and RTFM :)
[12:58] <ajmitch> what sort of usb/firewire/etc things did you need?
[12:58] <havoc> which is a good thing since it pays my mortgage
[12:58] <havoc> ajmitch: nothing specific, I just need to know what all the capabilities of LTSP are
[12:58] <ajmitch> right
[12:59] <havoc> e.g. can an office worker hook up their USB key/drive or MP3 player to their thin-client workstation?
[12:59] <havoc> *I* will get asked questions like that by my client's clients, and I'd like to have an answer one way or the other
[01:01] <havoc> I need to offer 2 possible configurations, standalone workstations, and thin-clients
[01:01] <SloMoSnail> gn8
[01:01] <havoc> (or a combination)
[01:01] <havoc> I fgure ubuntu is a good choice in all cases
[01:01] <havoc> figure
[01:02] <ajmitch> looks like some people have done work on supporting local usb sticks, etc
[01:02] <havoc> just need to beef up my "objective" arguments for ubuntu vs. FC, and more specifically Debian
[01:03] <havoc> so far I have "Consistent, reliable release schedule" and "Available commercial support"
[01:03] <ajmitch> the ubuntu vs debian controversy :)
[01:04] <havoc> ajmitch: I personally could care less about "Holy wars", but I do need to provide some arguments
[01:04] <havoc> since these people are mostly debian users
[01:04] <ajmitch> it's not a holy war by any means
[01:04] <havoc> also, they are not likely to go for RHEL due to cost, their clients may ask about it
[01:05] <havoc> ajmitch: ah
[01:05] <ajmitch> but the support & reliable release schedule is defeinitely important for businesses
[01:05] <havoc> to me distros/editors/languages are nothing more than "tools"
[01:05] <ajmitch> especially with the 5-year support by the ubuntu foundation recently announced for 6.04
[01:05] <havoc> as long as they do what I need them to do I'm happy
[01:06] <schweeb> havoc: even with full out clients, users could still connect to the LTSP server using XDMCP and such
[01:06] <havoc> ajmitch: specifics?
[01:06] <havoc> schweeb: yeah
[01:06] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuFoundation
[01:06] <ajmitch> mainly directed at servers
[01:06] <ajmitch> which is where you're possibly looking
[01:07] <havoc> ajmitch: ah, you mean maintenance on the distro, not 'user support'
[01:07] <ajmitch> havoc: yes, I'm guessing that user support would still be 18-months for main
[01:07] <havoc> ajmitch: and paid, right?
[01:08] <havoc> that's a detail for later in the report anyway
[01:08] <ajmitch> I'm not entirely clear on the support structure
[01:08] <havoc> I'd much rather be building a house than doing this :(
[01:08] <havoc> heh, jbailey?
[01:09] <havoc> that jeff?
[01:09] <ajmitch> havoc: remember that packages in universe get security & critical bugfixes on a best-effort basis at the moment
[01:09] <ajmitch> yep
[01:09] <havoc> ok
[01:09] <havoc> I was talking with him earlier
[01:09] <havoc> I've been picking everyones' brains quite a bit in the past 48hrs. or so
[01:10] <ajmitch> heh
[01:10] <tseng> anyone have enemy territory mirror?
[01:10] <ajmitch> I think jeff knows the most about support
[01:10] <havoc> it's 'research' :)
[01:10] <tseng> i am capped at 50k
[01:11] <havoc> I've got like 50 web browsers open right now and am on a ton of channels
[01:11] <ajmitch> and what attracted you to the motu channel of all places?
[01:11] <havoc> and have been trying to help chillywilly with some routing issues
[01:12] <havoc> ajmitch: I hate 'user' channels; I don't need to know *how* to do things, I need to know how things *work*
[01:12] <ajmitch> :)
[01:12] <havoc> i.e. how is the distro produced/maintained
[01:12] <tseng> read as much as you can on the wiki
[01:12] <havoc> I can RTFM to figure out how to do things (most of the time)
[01:12] <havoc> :)
[01:12] <tseng> developers are an expensive resources
[01:12] <ajmitch> well we get work dumped on us (eg moving to g++ 4.0), and go out & do it
[01:13] <havoc> well you may end up with some more help if I get this contract
[01:13] <ajmitch> and sometimes we get to do our own thing
[01:13] <ajmitch> great
[01:13] <tseng> contract/
[01:14] <havoc> I've got a ton of disparate machines I maintain right now that I'll be slowly migrating to ubuntu over the next year (thanx to chillywilly)
[01:14] <tseng> i see.
[01:14] <havoc> running various distros
[01:14] <havoc> at which point I will have a vested interest in ubuntu
[01:15] <havoc> I'm actually setting up 2 1.2TB RAID5 machines this week that I'm planning on doing with ubuntu
[01:15] <havoc> got the drives today
[01:15] <havoc> 3.2TB of disk space currently in my possession :)
[01:16] <havoc> 8 400GB Seagate Baracudas
[01:16] <ajmitch> nice
[01:17] <sistpoty> gn8 all
[01:17] <havoc> $2144 from newegg
[01:17] <havoc> night
[01:18] <havoc> they are actually going to be fileservers for a mac network running netatalk
[01:18] <havoc> the current machine is runnging a very old version of mandrake
[01:20] <jbailey> ajmitch: Oy?
[01:20] <havoc> jbailey: hi
[01:20] <jbailey> havoc: Heya
[01:23] <havoc> so what kind of help does ubuntu typically need?
[01:25] <ajmitch> hi jbailey
[01:26] <ajmitch> havoc: the MOTUs in particular need packaging help to maintain universe
[01:26] <ajmitch> we have a constant stream of work
[01:27] <havoc> ajmitch: so taking releases from app developers and ubuntu/apt-ifying them?
[01:27] <ajmitch> eg wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
[01:27] <ajmitch> havoc: that, and fixing up the existing packages
[01:28] <havoc> right
[01:28] <ajmitch> eg when we moved to gcc/g++ 4.0, all the c++ libraries had to be renamed, many patched
[01:28] <comadreja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps
[01:29] <comadreja> regarding that, race compiles with pbuilder
[01:29] <comadreja> should it be rebuilt ?
[01:29] <ajmitch> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition
[01:29] <comadreja> and how do I request a rebuild ?
[01:30] <ajmitch> we upload a package with a build1 suffix
[01:30] <ajmitch> eg race 1.2-3 becomes 1.2-3buil1
[01:30] <comadreja> to revu ?
[01:31] <ajmitch> if it's only a changelog entry, then it's not needed
[01:31] <ajmitch> since there's nothing to review :)
[01:31] <ajmitch> I think just put it on a list of packages to be rebuilt
[01:31] <comadreja> but I have no upload privileges , I can only upload to revu
[01:31] <comadreja> where's that list ?
[01:34] <ajmitch> make a note on MOTUGLUTransition - if it really doesn't need the build-deps changed
[01:35] <comadreja> ok
[01:39] <comadreja> it has clanlib-dev in the build-deps, that should be libclanlib-dev , right ?
[01:39] <ajmitch> libclanlib-dev provides clanlib-dev
[01:40] <comadreja> oops
[01:40] <ajmitch> but since it's virtual, I think it can be changed
[01:40] <comadreja> where do you see all that ?
[01:41] <comadreja> race_0.7.0-10build1 this version is then... 0.7.0-10ubuntu1 ?
[01:42] <ajmitch> yes, since you're making changes
[01:44] <comadreja> one funny question (for me): if it were 0.7.0-10ubuntu1 and needed a rebuild, how would it be called ?
[01:45] <ajmitch> clean way would be -10ubuntu2, not sure if they'd go for that though :)
[01:46] <comadreja> :)
[01:50] <comadreja> the debian policy manual doesn't say anything about virtual packages on build-depends
[01:51] <comadreja> oh, yes
[01:52] <comadreja> seems that the virtualpackage is prefered, but I don't know if in this case it is because a transition
[04:05] <comadreja> Lathiat : ping
[04:45] <whiprush> tseng: around?
[04:45] <tseng> no
[04:45] <whiprush> heh
[04:46] <whiprush> the muine scrobbler plugin still stuck in new?
[04:46] <tseng> it was never in new
[04:46] <whiprush> oh
[04:46] <whiprush> thought you packaged it.
[04:46] <tseng> i did
[04:46] <tseng> but, muine is still randomly crashing
[04:46] <tseng> and my motivation is vanished
[04:47] <whiprush> oh oh
[04:47] <tseng> yay for gtk-sharp2 api instability
[04:47] <StoneTable> elmo is in charge of syncs with debian, right?
[04:47] <whiprush> heh
[04:47] <tseng> StoneTable: yes
[04:47] <StoneTable> thanks
[04:49] <whiprush> burn mono boy! burn!
[04:49] <schweeb> detroit what
[04:49] <schweeb> :p
[04:50] <schweeb> whiprush: heh, I haven't used that Hula at all yet
[04:50] <whiprush> I can make you an account.  No 1.0.x I hope?
[04:54] <tseng> 1.1.x
[04:54] <tseng> things might start being demoted soon
[04:54] <whiprush> fspot, tomboy, and beagle. that's all we need.
[04:54] <tseng> not in main you dont
[04:54] <tseng> it makes no difference to me at this point
[04:55] <tseng> I cant "support" monodevelop as is
[04:55] <whiprush> will any of it be in main?
[04:55] <tseng> so the whole thing might as well be demoted
[04:55] <tseng> nothing
[04:55] <StoneTable> :(
[04:55] <whiprush> has MD even released lately?
[04:55] <tseng> yes
[04:55] <schweeb> why would monodevelop make any difference? it's not part of the base mono distribution, is it?
[04:56] <tseng> eh
[04:56] <tseng> ok, the key rationale for mono in main is MD and beagle
[04:56] <Jogariga> hi guys. I have read a good deal of info on packaging
[04:56] <tseng> beagle isnt ready
[04:56] <tseng> and md depends on gtk-sharp2, which is basically unsupportable
[04:56] <Jogariga> and i would like to see if you guys could help me with some guidance
[04:56] <schweeb> bleh
[04:56] <tseng> Jogariga: yes?
[04:56] <whiprush> beagle tops out at about 48 hours for me, then it gets all "I want all your memory."
[04:57] <schweeb> one would think the point of having mono in main is so mono apps would be supported
[04:57] <tseng> yeah, what apps
[04:57] <schweeb> even if all apps are in universe
[04:57] <ajmitch> whiprush: takes about 10 minutes to do that to me
[04:57] <tseng> i cant put any of them in main
[04:57] <ajmitch> whiprush: although last time I tried was 0.0.10 or so
[04:57] <tseng> meh, what difference does it make at that point
[04:57] <schweeb> at least people would have mono oob
[04:57] <whiprush> ajmitch: .11 was an improvement, haven't tried .12 yet
[04:57] <tseng> just puts a burden on me to support bugs after release
[04:57] <schweeb> and be able to download/apt-get their own shit
[04:57] <whiprush> either way ... we're out of time.
[04:58] <Jogariga> tseng: what should i do next to start maintaining a package
[04:58] <tseng> universe is fine
[04:58] <tseng> Jogariga: erm
[04:58] <tseng> Jogariga: pick a package.
[04:58] <schweeb> you are weak, tseng
[04:58] <tseng> fix a bug, upload your source to revu ( see topic )
[04:58] <tseng> schweeb: YOU ARE A GIRL
[04:58] <tseng> <3
[04:58] <Jogariga> tseng: where can i check to see if it is already on ubuntu?
[04:58] <tseng> Jogariga: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:59] <whiprush> tseng: I suppose breezy+1 will be your sweet spot then. :-/
[04:59] <Jogariga> tseng: ok
[04:59] <tseng> whiprush: damn right, ill be busting heads
[04:59] <Jogariga> tseng: do you know if there's a list of packages that need to be maintained on ubuntu and nobody is doing it
[05:00] <tseng> Jogariga: there are thousands
[05:00] <whiprush> It's unfortunate, I wanted to see fspot replace gthumb for breezy.
[05:00] <tseng> Jogariga: take a wild guess and ill tell you
[05:00] <whiprush> would have been nice
[05:00] <tseng> whiprush: meh.
[05:00] <tseng> you can apt-get it
[05:00] <tseng> no big loss
[05:01] <Jogariga> tseng: ok i'll start looking
[05:01] <whiprush> tseng: just ship it before NLD10. :p Or I kill you.
[05:01] <Jogariga> tseng: thanks for your help
[05:01] <tseng> Jogariga: nps. ignore these other nutjobs
[05:01] <tseng> whiprush: NLD, that doesnt count as a distro
[05:01] <Jogariga> tseng: what nutjobs?
[05:01] <tseng> Jogariga: schweeb.
[05:02] <Jogariga> tseng: ok lol
[05:03] <schweeb> Jogariga: ignore tseng, he's a slut
[05:03] <schweeb> too weak willed to put mono in main...
[05:04] <whiprush> tseng: don't worry dude, I still fanboi you dude.
[05:04] <tseng> whiprush: rock on.
[05:04] <whiprush> well, at least inotify is upstream now, one less thing.
[05:13] <whiprush> tseng: are you familiar with this libbeagle thing?
[05:13] <whiprush> and how it relates to "nautilus integration"?
[05:14] <tseng> uh
[05:14] <tseng> not so much
[05:14] <tseng> but the idea for nautilus is vfolders based on searches
[05:14] <whiprush> also, you're due to blog. :)
[05:14] <tseng> i am
[05:14] <tseng> but ive got nothing.
[05:14] <tseng> sorry
[05:14] <whiprush> how about a mono update?
[05:14] <tseng> it would be too angry
[05:14] <whiprush> lol
[05:15] <tseng> I could blog a recent CD
[05:15] <tseng> but that doesnt interest many people
[05:17] <crimsun> that's pretty much why I don't bother blogging
[05:18] <crimsun> no one wants to read my drivel about practising or music
[05:18] <tseng> eh
[05:18] <ajmitch> anything I'd blog wouldn't be of interest to people reading planet ubuntu
[05:18] <ajmitch> so I'm not on there
[05:18] <tseng> 419 unique vistors to my site this month
[05:18] <tseng> and i havent made a single new post
[05:18] <tseng> i guess they are all hoping for something
[05:18] <crimsun> plus I'm supar-emo and that's the new pink!@
[05:18] <tseng> crimsun: ...
[05:18] <tseng> i just died inside
[05:18] <tseng> (sorry)
[05:20] <whiprush> yeah dude, really.
[05:21] <tseng> hxc4life
[05:21] <tseng> whiprush brings the metal
[05:21] <tseng> whiprush: did you dig the Beloved?
[05:21] <whiprush> yeah, I dug it
[05:22] <whiprush> that Bachman Turner stuff is cool though
[05:22] <tseng> indeed
[05:22] <crimsun> I have no idea what "emo" is. People are polemic about it, though. It's either the greatest thing or it blows chunks.
[05:22] <tseng> did you get The Black Dahlia Murder?
[05:23] <whiprush> tseng: usually on thursdays I cast a metal show for ars, but it's down at the moment. :-/
[05:23] <whiprush> nope
[05:23] <tseng> crimsun: ok, take a decent modern "punk" band
[05:23] <tseng> crimsun: slow it down and subtract talent and rawness
[05:23] <tseng> crimsun: and add a singer who whines like a girl
[05:23] <tseng> recipe for emo
[05:23] <crimsun> pretty grim
[05:24] <whiprush> http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Emo
[05:24] <tseng> if you are really massochistic
[05:24] <tseng> you can let the whiney frontman try to do hardcore vocals
[05:24] <tseng> w/o any form of transition
[05:25] <crimsun> ok now I feel really old
[05:25] <tseng> but the fashion stuff they have on there applies to hardcore kids too
[05:25] <tseng> so i cant make too much fun
[05:47] <Jogariga> what's the most comprehensive guide to packaging programs?
[05:48] <schweeb> Jogariga: Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[05:48] <schweeb> tseng: masochistic, you barbarian
[05:49] <Jogariga> schweeb: ok thanks
[06:09] <Jogariga> can someone help me with figuring out the libs i need for a package?
[07:28] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:43] <niran> does anyone know any details about how the official backports are going to work?
[07:43] <niran> i.e., is it going to be a separate repo like it is now, or another section of the normal repositories like universe
[07:45] <sivang> morning folks
[07:45] <sivang> Where can I find a list of packages already fixed so I won't redo work?
[07:57] <ajmitch> MOTUGLUTransition?
[07:58] <Lathiat> sivang: yeh, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition
[07:58] <Lathiat> sivang: if your working on something, just put the appropriate comment on the right package
[07:58] <sivang> Lathiat: ok, thanks
[07:59] <sivang> Lathiat: you also helping on that?
[07:59] <Lathiat> sivang: yep
[07:59] <Lathiat> ive tried to mark off all other things affecting those packages as i could find
[07:59] <Lathiat> probably missed some tho
[07:59] <sivang> Lathiat: sooner or later, somebody would hit them and we'll know it :-)
[08:00] <Lathiat> just thought i'd save people some time :)
[08:00] <Lathiat> like the sdl ones are useless until its fixed cus you cant build them
[08:00] <Lathiat> this is a great chance to try the games out ;)
[08:01] <Lathiat> haha, i can find me some good games
[08:03] <sivang> Lathiat: hehe
[08:03] <sivang> Lathiat: anyway, that's a very nice list there, nice to see it's all arranged
[08:04] <sivang> Lathiat: will make working easier
[08:04] <Lathiat> yep :)
[08:04] <sivang> btw, sirestart suggested to use dctrl something to find the need fixing packages (I have the line on my logs)
[08:04] <sivang> the snippet on that wiki page is better?
[08:05] <Lathiat> umm
[08:05] <Lathiat> dunno
[08:05] <Lathiat> thats just my own hackery
[08:05] <Lathiat> dont know hwo to use dctrl :P)
[08:05] <Lathiat> s/P//
[08:05] <sivang> Lathiat: neither do i :-)
[08:06] <Lathiat> yhm
[08:06] <Lathiat> if a package just needs a rebuild
[08:06] <Lathiat> what do i do
[08:06] <Lathiat> put 'build1' on the end
[08:06] <sivang> what's build1 ?
[08:06] <Lathiat> and put a changelog entry of * Rebuild for new glu packages ?
[08:06] <Lathiat> sivang: well, thats what err,... doko? did for some cxx stuff ro whatever that needed rebuilding
[08:07] <sivang> Lathiat: is that a special way to tell the buildd to rebuild it?
[08:07] <sivang> (where do you specify it anyways)
[08:07] <ajmitch> yes
[08:07] <ajmitch> in the changelog
[08:07] <sivang> phee, the stuff you learn here
[08:07] <sivang> :-)
[08:07] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh but what version do i do, increment the ubuntu version or add build1?
[08:07] <ajmitch> :)
[08:08] <ajmitch> Lathiat: ahh... I'd go with increment ubuntu version to avoid -XubuntuYbuildZ, but that's just my opinion
[08:08] <Lathiat> well thats what i'd do too
[08:08] <Lathiat> what if it has no ubuntu version yet
[08:08] <ajmitch> then put XbuildY
[08:08] <Lathiat> so 1.42-2 -> 1.4.2-build1
[08:08] <sivang> ajmitch: why do you need to avoid -XubuntuYbuildZ ?
[08:08] <Lathiat> err, 1.42-2build1
[08:08] <ajmitch> sivang: mainly because it's rather ugly
[08:09] <ajmitch> sivang: apart from that, no reason
[08:09] <ajmitch> and XubuntuY revisions should be kept for packaging changes only
[08:09] <ajmitch> so I can't say what is acceptable :)
[08:09] <Lathiat> assumedly
[08:09] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, just add build1
[08:09] <Lathiat> 1.42-2build1 < 1.42-2ubuntu1
[08:09] <Lathiat> if changes are made later
[08:17] <Lathiat> ugh
[08:18] <Lathiat> my debdiff just picked up changes to config.guess and config.sub
[08:18] <Lathiat> what do i do abou ttha
[08:19] <Lathiat> not that they seem recent, theyre timestamped 2005-04-22
[08:43] <sivang> Lathiat: you can either use vim to remove them,
[08:43] <sivang> Lathiat: but when it happened to me - I just unpacked a new source pkg,
[08:43] <Lathiat> sivang: im just wondering where they came from
[08:43] <Lathiat> since i didnt actually run a build or anything
[08:43] <Lathiat> and the timestamp isnt today
[08:44] <sivang> Lathiat: copied a presaved copy of the hacked files in
[08:44] <sivang> Lathiat: and it solved it
[08:44] <sivang> Lathiat: I know, there is some nonsense going on with those files when you test build
[08:44] <Lathiat> all i did was modify control and run debuild -S <-- is that wrong?
[08:44] <sivang> Lathiat: debuild -S might have triggered autotools invokation
[08:44] <Lathiat> then ran it through pbuild after
[08:44] <Lathiat> sivang: ah, possible i guess
[08:45] <Lathiat> maybe this packages make clean target sucks
[08:45] <sivang> Lathiat: pitti just uses some vim command to take off all the autocrap, I myself just make my hacked files, put therem somewhere safe, get a new fresh source pkg which was never test built,
[08:45] <sivang> Lathiat: make clean not always work, that is most of the times it don't :-)
[08:45] <Lathiat> sivang: s/make clean/debian clean
[08:46] <Treenaks> sivang: scary, that
[08:46] <sivang> Lathiat: and with the fresh package copy in my files, and then my patches went down from ~500lines to the actual amount
[08:46] <Lathiat> sivang: what are you using to generate the debdiff
[08:46] <Lathiat> like im using the .dscs after a debuild
[08:46] <sivang> Kaloz: debdiff
[08:46] <sivang> oops
[08:46] <sivang> Lathiat: debiff follwoing the dsc files
[08:46] <sivang> Lathiat: that is, the two dsc files, the original, and my created onw
[08:47] <sivang> Lathiat: let me recall
[08:47] <Lathiat> and what are you using to generate the dsc ?
[08:47] <Lathiat> and for my next trick, it doesnt actually build
[08:47] <Lathiat> ./libz.a(gzio.o): In function `gz_open':
[08:47] <Lathiat> gzio.c:(.text+0x282): undefined reference to `errno'
[08:47] <Lathiat> yay :)
[08:47] <Lathiat> heh
[08:50] <sivang> Lathiat: you should also have interdiff , which debdiff uses
[08:50] <sivang> Lathiat: so just install it
[08:51] <sivang> 16:25 <pitti> debdiff works between two *.dsc files
[08:51] <sivang> 16:25 <pitti> (or *.deb files, but that's an entirely different feature)
[08:51] <sivang> 16:25 <sivang> can we talk about it in 30 minutes?
[08:51] <sivang> 16:25 <pitti> debdiff g-s-t_latest_hoary.dsc g-s-t_sivans-crack.dsc
[08:51] <sivang> Lathiat: sivans_crack being the new produced .dsc after building the source pkg
[08:51] <sivang> or , rebuilding it for that matter
[08:52] <Lathiat> right, thats what i was doing
[08:52] <Lathiat> im just wondering how to get a .dsc without debuild -S
[08:52] <sivang> Lathiat: don't think you can
[08:52] <Treenaks> Lathiat: dpkg-buildpackage -S :P
[08:52] <Lathiat> Treenaks: ha ha
[08:52] <Treenaks> maybe dpkg-source ?
[08:52] <Lathiat> right, doesnt matter
[08:52] <Lathiat> i'll just hand craft them
[08:52] <sivang> Treenaks: that's the same, but won't run lintian afterwards and debuild does
[08:53] <Treenaks> sivang: I do so manually anyway
[08:53] <sivang> Lathiat: you don't need to hand craft them
[08:53] <Lathiat> sivang: seems about as much effort
[08:53] <sivang> Lathiat: try with a fresh source, put in your hacked files, and debuild -S -uc -us
[08:53] <sivang> Lathiat: well, deos the package use dpatch, or cdbs-simple-patchsys ?
[08:54] <Lathiat> no
[08:54] <sivang> Lathiat: erm, then try the fresh soource pkg approach, always worked for me :-)
[08:56] <HostingGeek> Hi
[08:56] <HostingGeek> I would like to make a deb for gajim.org/
[08:56] <HostingGeek> Who can put in debian for me?
[08:57] <HostingGeek> I hear its already in debian
[08:57] <HostingGeek> someone bring it to ubuntu
[08:57] <HostingGeek> Its the best app ever
[08:57] <Lathiat> sivang: so, you mean by replacing the sourcedir with anew one
[08:57] <Lathiat> sivang: e.g. rm-rf xt-0.9.1; apt-get source xt again
[09:00] <sivang> Lathiat: yes, and just replace the files you hacked on
[09:00] <sivang> Lathiat: if you did any source changes anyway
[09:00] <Lathiat> sivang: right, i didnt
[09:00] <Lathiat> apart from changelo
[09:00] <Lathiat> gand if i do that
[09:00] <Lathiat> the diff still has crap in it
[09:00] <sivang> Lathiat: how did you add the changlog entries?
[09:01] <Lathiat> sivang: dch
[09:01] <sivang> Lathiat: interesting, what is the paackage name?
[09:01] <Lathiat> sivang: xt
[09:08] <sivang> Lathiat: ok, now this package does not exsit for hoary in binary form yet?
[09:08] <sivang> Lathiat: (I can't seem to install it on my breezy)
[09:09] <sivang> Lathiat: oppps, s/hoary/breez/
[09:09] <sivang> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:09] <sivang>   xt: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not going to be installed or
[09:09] <sivang>                libglu1
[09:09] <Lathiat> well
[09:09] <Lathiat> sivang: yes...
[09:09] <Lathiat> sivang: thats why we are fixing it...
[09:09] <sivang> so we need to change this to?
[09:09] <Lathiat> sivang: its changed by building with the new b-ds
[09:10] <Lathiat> sivang: shlibs:dep style
[09:10] <sivang> Lathiat: sorrt, what's b-ds ?
[09:10] <Lathiat> build-deps
[09:10] <sivang> by changing the shared libs it depedsn on. ok, let me look some more
[09:11] <sivang> Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.0.0), gtkglarea5-dev, xlibmesa-dev, libgtk1.2-dev, xlibs-dev, debhelper, gettext, autotools-dev, perl, traceroute, host, libgdk-pixbuf-dev
[09:12] <Lathiat> right
[09:12] <Lathiat> in this case
[09:12] <Lathiat> no change is necessary
[09:12] <Lathiat> just a rebuild
[09:12] <Lathiat> because it deps on xlibmesa-dev
[09:12] <Lathiat> which now deps on the right thing
[09:13] <sivang> but the right thing is to depend on libglu1-xorg-dev
[09:13] <sivang> and I don't see it on the depends list..
[09:13] <Treenaks> sivang: build-depend
[09:13] <sivang> eh
[09:13] <sivang> :-)
[09:13] <sivang> woops
[09:14] <sivang> Treenaks: thanks for the waking up
[09:14] <Treenaks> but anyway
[09:14] <Treenaks> I think daniels posted a recipe for "GLU build deps" to u-devel a while ago
[09:14] <sivang> Treenaks: yes, most of it is on the wiki on the MOTUGlu plage
[09:14] <sivang> page
[09:14] <sivang> I think
[09:14] <sivang> Lathiat: right?
[09:15] <sivang> (I just happend to read that thread, and the wiki page seems the same)
[09:15] <Lathiat> no
[09:15] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-dev
[09:15] <Lathiat> is fine
[09:15] <Lathiat> its only if it deps on xlibmesa-glu-dev it needs changing
[09:15] <Lathiat> or well
[09:15] <Lathiat> oh
[09:15] <Lathiat> actually, no
[09:15] <Lathiat> yoru right
[09:15] <sivang> Lathiat: I am right?
[09:16] <Lathiat> sivang: aptcacche show xlibmesa-dev
[09:16] <Lathiat> while xlibmesa-dev would work, it would be better to change them
[09:16] <Lathiat> tooo...
[09:17] <Lathiat> libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev
[09:31] <sivang> Lathiat: checking (sorry for the dealy)
[09:32] <sivang> Lathiat: it's xlibmesa-gl-dev, not xlibmesa-dev, or are they the same?
[09:35] <\sh> mornin
[09:39] <Lathiat> sivang: xlibmesa-dev deps on libglu1-xorg-dev *AND* xlibmesa-gl-dev
[09:53] <sivang> Lathiat: so we need to remove xlibmesa-dl-dev from the deps list?
[09:54] <Lathiat> no
[09:54] <Lathiat> bleh
[09:54] <Lathiat> sivang: xlibmesa-glu-dev -> libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev
[09:54] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-gl-dev = fine
[09:54] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-dev = transitional package for both glu and gl
[09:55] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-dev will work, preferred change it to libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu1-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev
[10:03] <siretart> morning
[10:05] <sivang> Lathiat: ah ok, thanks , and sorry for being dumb
[10:06] <comadreja> Lathiat : ?
[10:06] <comadreja> morning all
[10:07] <\sh> comadreja: please whitelist your email address for breezy-changes...(write an email to elmo)
[10:07] <comadreja> ok \sh
[10:07] <comadreja> I wrote a little script yesterday for rdepends
[10:08] <comadreja> it's in http://www.drqueue.org/package_rdepends.pl
[10:08] <comadreja> hmmm executes
[10:09] <comadreja> it's in http://www.drqueue.org/package_rdepends (?)
[10:10] <comadreja> there it is
[10:10] <Lathiat> sivang: 'sok, its all a bit confusing
[10:11] <comadreja> Lathiat : ping
[10:11] <Lathiat> comadreja: pong
[10:11] <comadreja> Lathiat : could you check : http://www.drqueue.org/package_rdepends ?
[10:12] <comadreja> I wrote it as a substitute for your script to find the source rdepends
[10:12] <Lathiat> ah
[10:12] <Lathiat> nice
[10:12] <Lathiat> mine was hacked up ++
[10:12] <comadreja> for the transition, but it could help in any onther transition I guess
[10:12] <comadreja> it mentions the section, and the source package
[10:13] <Lathiat> comadreja: whoah, thats cool
[10:13] <Lathiat> comadreja: one slight bug, i get "Section: universe : glob2"
[10:13] <Lathiat> :0
[10:13] <Lathiat> :)
[10:13] <Lathiat> comadreja: your next task.. make it print out a list of failed deps ;)
[10:14] <comadreja> what is that ?
[10:14] <comadreja> cool I'll do
[10:14] <Lathiat> comadreja: apt-cache unmet <package>
[10:14] <Lathiat> comadreja: (only on packages which that script turned up tho, thats asll i care about :)
[10:14] <Lathiat> just to show up packages which need other love
[10:15] <comadreja> I'll work that out...
[10:15] <comadreja> btw, who is elmo ?
[10:15] <Lathiat> ftp msater
[10:15] <Lathiat> master
[10:15] <Lathiat> and sysadmin sortof guy
[10:15] <comadreja> yep, email ?
[10:15] <Lathiat> erm
[10:15] <Lathiat> dunno
[10:15] <Lathiat> search the lists
[10:15] <Lathiat> ;p
[10:15] <comadreja> :)
[10:17] <comadreja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads Is this the procedure for breezy-changes too ?
[10:17] <comadreja> \sh : ?
[10:19] <\sh> comadreja: yepp
[10:22] <comadreja> thanks :) are they bots ? do they need any special format ?
[10:22] <comadreja> I mean keyring@ and upload@
[10:23] <\sh> no...
[10:23] <\sh> it's elmo
[10:23] <siretart> comadreja: do you know grep-dctrl?
[10:24] <comadreja> siretart : nopes
[10:24] <siretart> for packages build depending on xlibmesa-dev I used this one: grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends xlibmesa-gl-dev Sources-breezy -sPackage,Version,Build-Depends
[10:24] <siretart> s/xlibmesa-dev/xlibmesa-gl-dev/
[10:25] <comadreja> siretart : oh, cool, would that be the same as apt-cache rdepends ?
[10:25] <siretart> comadreja: no. apt-cache only examines binary packages. this one examines source packages
[10:26] <comadreja> I'll substitute that, then
[10:26] <siretart> comadreja: please note that you would need a up to date "Sources-breezy" from the an archive mirror
[10:27] <comadreja> yep
[10:27] <comadreja> ok, gotta go to work
[10:27] <comadreja> bbl
[10:27] <siretart> http://paste.debian.net/1173 this is the script I use for updating Source-breezy
[10:27] <siretart> cu comadreja
[10:28] <sivang> siretart: you should add this to Lathiat's wiki page :-)
[10:28] <sivang> siretart: I already saw you say this to 3 different people including me :-)
[10:29] <sivang> siretart: (talkinga bout the dctrl thingy)
[10:30] <siretart> sivang: could you do that please? I'm not sure what page you mean, and I have do work here :(
[10:32] <sivang> siretart: ok, I need to find a spare moment and I will
[10:32] <sivang> Lathiat: have you finished up wtih xt ?(sorry for vanishing)
[10:32] <siretart> thank you, I will review the page then..
[10:32] <sivang> siretart: k
[10:33] <Lathiat> sivang: nope
[10:33] <Lathiat> sivang: been doing other things, sorry
[10:33] <sivang> Lathiat: no , I'm also busy it's ok. Talk later
[10:40] <pef> hi
[10:54] <HostingGeek> Everyone look I am famous! I am in this screeny http://david.navi.cx/images/sexy-xchat-gnome.png
[11:14] <herve> morning!
[11:18] <pef> herve: morning
[11:28] <herve> it seems there's fresh blood on #u-m
[11:39] <\sh> hey herve
[11:40] <herve> hi \sh, feel better?
[11:41] <herve> the cxx binary embargo is over?
[11:43] <\sh> herve: some missing links :)
[11:44] <\sh> herve: well...actually I came to terms with everything...
[11:44] <herve> er, wait... does dia have c++ dependency...
[11:45] <herve> silly me, it doesn't
[11:51] <dave_> hi! shot question: i am creating a custom-ubuntu-cd! i do it all in my shell-scripts - what i wonder: can you download the build-shell-scripts/tools of ubuntu anywhere? i _can_ create my own build system - but do i have to ?
[12:50] <herve> see you later
[01:05] <comadreja> \sh : ping
[01:39] <\sh> comadreja: pong
[01:40] <comadreja> \sh : how long does it take usually to get a key included for breezy-changes ?
[01:40] <\sh> comadreja: the key is not important...your email address must be whitelisted.
[01:41] <\sh> comadreja: the key comes first when u r approved by TB
[01:46] <comadreja> \sh : oh, I see
[01:46] <comadreja> \sh : I'll write the mail to upload then
[02:58] <Treenaks> new wine!
[03:00] <\sh> Treenaks: give your love to scott ritchie...i took only his work, renewed the snapshot and uploaded .)
[03:01] <\sh> and actually i made a mistake
[03:01] <\sh> *grmpf*
[03:01] <\sh> I forgot the ubuntu1
[03:01] <Treenaks> \sh: OH NOES
[03:01] <ogra> \sh, next upload :)
[03:01] <sivang> Lathiat: still here?
[03:02] <ogra> \sh, doesnt really matter, since we dont autosync from winehq yet
[03:02] <Lathiat> sivang: ya
[03:02] <Lathiat> sivang: im always here
[03:02] <Lathiat> sivang: just doing various thigns at any one time :)
[03:03] <sivang> Lathiat: cool, have you managed with munging the control file?
[03:03] <sivang> Lathiat: (per xt)
[03:03] <Lathiat> nah havent done anything yet
[03:03] <Lathiat> tomorrow :)
[03:04] <\sh> ogra: yeah....
[03:04] <\sh> ogra: I want to have the new utils for wine as well...winesetuptk is obsolete...so I want to replace it
[03:05] <ogra> \sh, morgue !!
[03:06] <\sh> ogra: yeah..but first i have to do some testing with it...actually, when my tax app is running with wine ,-)
[03:06] <ogra> hehe
[03:06] <Lathiat> \sh: are you australian?
[03:06] <Lathiat> hm, no
[03:07] <\sh> Lathiat: why? no..I'm not :)
[03:23] <JRe> ps666lo
[03:23] <JRe> ow wrong window ;)
[04:17] <pef> siretart: ping
[04:22] <siretart> pef: pong
[04:22] <pef> siretart: hello, what about the libaa transition ?
[04:24] <siretart> pef: I filed yesterday https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12673, and now I wait that an uploader for main uploads fixed aalib and sdllib packages
[04:25] <comadreja> siretart... what do I have to do to get my email white listed by elmo ?
[04:25] <siretart> i don't think we can do anything about this before this happens
[04:25] <siretart> comadreja: write him an email and wait
[04:26] <comadreja> I sent a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:26] <pef> siretart: then after we have to make the transition for all packages using libaa ?
[04:26] <siretart> when I requested it it took few days. currently he is in .fi at debconf, so it can take some time
[04:26] <comadreja> .org
[04:26] <comadreja> oh, I see, that's the reason
[04:26] <comadreja> thanks !
[05:04] <siretart> sivang: ah, now I understand what you meant earlier today. thanks for putting it to MOTUGLUTransition
[05:06] <ivoks> hi :)
[05:06] <siretart> huhu ivoks :)
[05:07] <ivoks> uh, bug in evoltution
[05:07] <ivoks> crashes on forward
[05:12] <sivang> siretart: no prob :-)
[05:12] <sivang> siretart: I was glad too
[06:02] <\sh> hmmm
[06:02] <\sh> any workaround for xlibs*41.deb?
[06:02] <\sh> configure returned --1 stop ,-)
[07:10] <bddebian> Heya
[07:14] <ivoks> doh.. cdplayer has fetch cover, but doesn't have fetch data over CDDB
[07:29] <pef> is malone down ?
[07:29] <ogra> launchpad is
[07:29] <pef> ok :[
[07:31] <mitsuhiko> ;(
[07:32] <mitsuhiko> wanted to translate something but rosetta's down
[07:32] <pef> someone can help me with scripts packaging ?
[07:40] <pef> siretart: ping
[07:42] <lamont> mpg123 is ftbfs (dpkg-love needed)
[07:42] <\sh> ???
[07:42] <bddebian> beauty
[07:42] <\sh> i can't even rebuild kde stuff now...
[07:42] <Lathiat> \sh: sup?
[07:42] <\sh> it's the heat, the sun, everything is melting ,-)
[07:43] <\sh> lamont: more package breaks or sourcecode stuff?
[07:44] <\sh> and my kbd is again f'uped
[07:45] <pef> Lathiat: you are member of MOTUgames isn't it ?
[07:45] <lamont>  debian/rules build
[07:45] <lamont> dpkg: unknown option --print-gnu-build-architecture
[07:46] <lamont>        36 Log for failed build of hsc_0.934-1 (dist=breezy)
[07:46] <lamont>        30 Log for failed build of wap-wml-tools_0.0.4-1 (dist=breezy)
[07:46] <lamont> and those are both just plain missing a build-depends: debhelper
[07:46] <lamont> (at least)
[07:47] <\sh> Setting up xlibs (6.8.2-41) ...
[07:47] <\sh> dpkg: error processing xlibs (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:47] <lamont> \sh: anything _before_ that?
[07:47] <\sh> nope
[07:47] <\sh> only xlibs
[07:47] <lamont> like the error message that traditionally goes with the exit?
[07:47] <bddebian> Shouldn't that just be dpkg --print-architecture?
[07:47] <\sh> lamont: yeah..but nothing :)
[07:48] <\sh> lamont: and i had to reconfigure my xserver-xorg...and now even my kbd stuff is not working...german layout .. but no altgr+q is working e.g.
[07:49] <\sh> Errors were encountered while processing: xlibs
[07:49] <\sh> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:49] <lamont> add a -x to /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibs.postinst
[07:49] <lamont> it's probably missing an || true somewhere
[07:50] <\sh> checks for /etc/X11/xkb
[07:50] <\sh> but xkb was deleted before *argl*
[07:51] <\sh> lets try a reinstall
[07:51] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[07:52] <ivoks> bddebian: :)
[07:52] <ivoks> bddebian: could you help me, maybe?
[07:52] <bddebian> ivoks: I doubt it but I'll sure try
[07:52] <bddebian> whassup?
[07:53] <ivoks> packaging :(
[07:53] <bddebian> Whats the problem?
[07:53] <ivoks> we shouldn't change source, right?
[07:53] <ivoks> so i have in rules a rule wich patches source
[07:54] <ivoks> of course, i have to have rule in clean that will unpatch source, right?
[07:54] <ivoks> so.. now, when i try to buildpackage
[07:54] <bddebian> ivoks: I suppose "have to" is a little strong, but I think it is the "right" thing to do :-)
[07:54] <ivoks> it runs clean first
[07:54] <ivoks> and tries to unpatch file that isn't patched
[07:54] <ivoks> but i have to run clean before build
[07:55] <bddebian> Isn't clean, wiping the build tree?
[07:56] <ivoks> Unreversed patch detected!
[07:56] <ivoks> what's that? :(
[07:56] <bddebian> Found a patch that it didn't back out?
[07:56] <GazerWork> ivoks, are you using cdbs or writing your own rules ?
[07:57] <ivoks> own rules
[07:57] <ogra> ivoks, hae you looked at tsengs dpatch howto ?
[07:57] <ivoks> nope...
[07:57] <ivoks> where?
[07:58] <ivoks> (i can't use cddb on this package)
[07:58] <ivoks> cddb :))
[07:58] <bddebian> heh
[07:58] <\sh> ok...I just broke my whole system...
[07:58] <bddebian> Nice
[07:58] <ogra> ivoks, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[07:59] <\sh> removing xlibs breaks system...and ubuntu-desktop / kubuntu-desktop can't be reinstalled, cause of broken packages *argl*
[08:00] <ivoks> ok, this is easy :)
[08:00] <bddebian> :-)
[08:00] <bddebian> Then even my dumb ass should try it? :-)
[08:01] <ogra> ivoks, the missing bit is, you must additionally build-depend on dpatch ;)
[08:01] <ed1t> hello i would like to help out with ubuntu projects to get more experience with linux
[08:01] <bddebian> ed1t: Stand in line :-)
[08:01] <ivoks> ogra: i know that ;) thanks
[08:02] <Lathiat> pef: yes
[08:02] <bddebian> ed1t: :-)
[08:02] <ed1t> lol
[08:02] <ed1t> do i get a ticket number? :P
[08:03] <pef> Lathiat: I had a comment about globulation2, then I found your wiki page and had put comment there :)
[08:03] <ogra> ed1t, oh, you didnt pull one ?
[08:03] <ed1t> no lol
[08:03] <Lathiat> pef: ok :) what was the comment?
[08:03] <ed1t> ahhh its #1!!!
[08:03] <pef> Lathiat: globulation2 = glob2 :)
[08:03] <pef> already present in ubuntu
[08:03] <ed1t> guess im next :P
[08:03] <bddebian> hehe
[08:03] <Lathiat> ah right
[08:04] <ogra> ed1t, have you already seen wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and the related pages ?
[08:05] <ed1t> yea
[08:07] <ivoks> bddebian: man, what's up?
[08:07] <ivoks> bddebian: how's wife? kids?
[08:08] <bddebian> Can anyone tell me what this lintian problem is: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/571 ?
[08:08] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[08:08] <bddebian> ivoks: Good, except for my lame-ass job and lack of hacking skillz, thanks.  How about you?
[08:09] <ivoks> bddebian: well, same thing... but i'm working on my hacking skillz
[08:09] <ivoks> bddebian: maybe you should too? :)
[08:09] <ivoks> bddebian: well, i consider my job perfect
[08:09] <bddebian> ivoks: I try but no one loves me :-)
[08:10] <bddebian> ogra just laughs at me ;-)
[08:10] <ivoks> bddebian: bddebian that's cause he likes you
[08:10] <ivoks> you have to be optimistic and have a better view of live
[08:10] <ivoks> not only "nobody likes me" "me talks to me" etc
[08:10] <bddebian>  Bah, I'm a realist ;-)
[08:11] <ogra> bddebian, you built a native package ?
[08:11] <bddebian> ogra: Upgrade from upstream
[08:11] <ogra> have the orig.tar.gz around ?
[08:11] <bddebian> ogra: I "made" one :-)
[08:11] <bddebian> ivoks: Congrats :-)
[08:12] <tritium> bddebian, did you take my python-pyrtf and fix it up?
[08:12] <bddebian> tritium: Yes, that is where that lintian error is from
[08:12] <ogra> with <name_vers.orig.tar.gz> (note the _)?
[08:12] <tritium> checking it
[08:12] <bddebian> python-pyrtf_0.45.orig.tar.gz
[08:13] <ogra> hmm
[08:13] <ogra> looks ok
[08:14] <ogra> how did you build the new source pkg ?
[08:14] <bddebian> dpkg-buildpackage
[08:14] <ogra> no options ?
[08:14] <bddebian>  -tc -us
[08:15] <ogra> new upstream version ?
[08:15] <bddebian> Yes
[08:15] <ogra> so how about -sa ;)
[08:16] <bddebian> hmm
[08:17] <ivoks> ok, revu isn't quite automatic :(
[08:17] <ivoks> \sh: ping
[08:18] <bddebian> Doh, I suck.. :'-(
[08:18] <bddebian> W: python-pyrtf source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[08:18] <bddebian> W: python-pyrtf source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.45-0ubuntu1
[08:19] <ogra> thats fine
[08:19] <ogra> we dont have NMUs in ubuntu so this error is pointless ;)
[08:19] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[08:19] <ogra> no other errors ?
[08:19] <ivoks> no, only 4 E :)
[08:19] <bddebian> ogra: Nope
[08:19] <ogra> bddebian, congrats :)
[08:20] <bddebian> ogra: On what?
[08:20] <\sh> ivoks: Prngadasdf system failure
[08:20] <ogra> bddebian, to a fine package
[08:20] <ivoks> \sh: oh... i see you are busy :)
[08:20] <bddebian> Oh, heh, thanks
[08:20] <ivoks> \sh: have fun ;)
[08:20] <ogra> bddebian, now build it clean in pbuilder :)
[08:20] <bddebian> Now, if I could get this damn free-pascal to build
[08:20] <bddebian> What is the fascination with pbuilder? :-)
[08:20] <ivoks> bddebian: it's clean breezy
[08:21] <ivoks> clean, pure gold :)
[08:21] <bddebian> ivoks: But I built this on breezy :-)
[08:21] <pef> a new package should be named foo-x.y-0ubuntu1 right ?
[08:21] <ogra> bddebian, you see if it builds on the buildd...
[08:21] <bddebian> Ahh
[08:21] <bddebian> pef: I think so
[08:21] <ivoks> lol
[08:21] <ivoks> joke of the year
[08:21] <ivoks> anyone interested?
[08:22] <pef> _o/
[08:22] <ogra> bddebian, which is dependent of the right choice of build deps you made...
[08:22] <ivoks> I was wondering if perhaps some work could be done to some script to run AutoCAD Native in Unbuntu. The Wine Emulation does not function well.
[08:22] <bddebian> AutoCAD? barf :-)
[08:22] <ogra> ivoks, hehe, yes this one's funny...
[08:23] <siretart> ivoks: pong
[08:23] <siretart> pef: pong
[08:23] <ivoks> siretart: i uploaded new wifi-radar
[08:23] <seth_k> bddebian: pbuilder pwns, you should use it so that you're sure your builds work on more than just your computer
[08:23] <siretart> ivoks: I'm online via wifi-radar and wpa, just a few wpasupplicant related patches were needed ;)
[08:24] <pef> siretart: idea for revu : is it possible to be notified by email on changes ?
[08:24] <ivoks> siretart: well, you have brand new source now on REVU, patch it
[08:24] <bddebian> I AM BUILDING IT IN pbuilder SHEESH.. ;-P
[08:24] <siretart> ivoks: yes I will. Need to do some investigation why wpasupplicant does not support creation of pid file
[08:25] <siretart> ivoks: wifi-radar expects wpasupplicant supporting option -P. wpasupplicant in hoary does not support that. Need to check breezy version
[08:25] <bddebian> Hmm, I'm getting 404 errors to uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:25] <Lathiat> wifi-radar is boring
[08:26] <Lathiat> gtk-wifi is cool
[08:26] <Lathiat> but the python sudo bit is a tad on the insecure side
[08:26] <seth_k> good boy bddebian, cookie for you
[08:26] <Lathiat> apart from taht its nice
[08:26] <bddebian> seth_k: :-)
[08:26] <Lathiat> kicks the pants off network manager which eats all your network interfaces
[08:26] <siretart> pef: In principle yes. could you define some email sending policy?
[08:26] <bddebian> WTF?
[08:26] <bddebian> Authentication warning overridden.
[08:26] <bddebian> Err http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main debconf-i18n 1.4.51ubuntu2
[08:26] <bddebian>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:26] <siretart> pef: I would need exactly when an email should be sent and when not
[08:26] <ivoks> Lathiat: gtk-wifi?
[08:26] <ogra> bddebian, try gb :)
[08:27] <pef> siretart: new comment of a MOTU, package accepted
[08:27] <bddebian> When did that change?
[08:27] <seth_k> it's always been that way
[08:27] <ogra> dunno, i use archive directly....
[08:27] <ogra> just a good guess
[08:27] <bddebian> I have uk.xxx in my normal sources.list
[08:27] <seth_k> ua = ukraine, gb = united kingdom, and there is no uk
[08:28] <siretart> pef: for revu2 I will definitly think about this. for current revu implementation, consider writing a patch ;)
[08:28] <bddebian> ogra: Well I was having problems with US for a little bit there :-)
[08:29] <ivoks> ogra: did you see how many bugs I worked on yestrday?
[08:29] <ogra> bddebian, for development its better to have archive.ubuntu.com ... at least if you wait for a lib you just built to build your package on.... no mirror latency
[08:29] <pef> siretart: why don't make a wiki page for suggestions ?
[08:29] <ogra> ivoks, i didnt check it yet
[08:30] <ivoks> ogra: 20 i think... even closed few of them :)
[08:31] <bddebian> ogra: OK, thanks
[08:31] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[08:31] <ivoks> siretart: why aren't new packages on the list?
[08:32] <siretart> pef_aw: there are actually 2 pages: REVU and REVUDevelopment
[08:32] <siretart> ivoks: they are not?
[08:32] <ivoks> siretart: nope..
[08:33] <siretart> ivoks: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=132 is linked from the main page
[08:33] <siretart> your latest upload to revu
[08:33] <ivoks> siretart: ah, i see... i tought this is automatic
[08:35] <bddebian> ed1t: I hate to say this but to some degree you are on your own to start out.  Check around the wiki site and see what you can do.
[08:35] <bddebian> ed1t: If you know Ubuntu fairly well, come join us on the New User Network team
[08:36] <ed1t> hmmm
[08:37] <ed1t> well im not that good at ubuntu, i just start using like 2/3 weeks ago
[08:37] <bddebian> ed1t: Do you know GNU/Linux fairly well?  Or better yet, Debian GNU/Linux?
[08:38] <ed1t> yea
[08:38] <bddebian> You could still be a big help to new users in #ubuntu then
[08:39] <bddebian> OK, damnit, I have updated my /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/sources.list and it is still using uk.ubuntu...??
[08:40] <ed1t> bddebian, where is the join us form or place for New User network team?
[08:40] <bddebian> ed1t: I have to find the link quick, hang on
[08:40] <ed1t> k
[08:41] <seth_k> ed1t: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/unp/+join
[08:42] <bddebian> Thanks seth_k
[08:42] <ed1t> thx
[08:42] <bddebian> Looks like it builds in pbuilder
[08:43] <ed1t> time to leave work and go home...cya all later
[08:43] <bddebian> Later ed1t
[08:44] <ivoks> beagle works for you?
[08:51] <\sh> is breezy working again? *lol*
[08:51] <bddebian> beagle?
[08:53] <bddebian> See, ivoks, ogra is ignoring me again.. :'-(
[08:53] <bddebian> ;-P
[08:57] <ogra> yay bddebian !
[09:01] <tritium> bddebian, congratulations :)
[09:04] <ivoks> :)
[09:04] <ivoks> \sh: breezy works for me :)
[09:05] <\sh> ivoks: don't update ;-)
[09:05] <\sh> and don't remove xlibs ;-)
[09:05] <ivoks> i updated allready
[09:20] <comadreja> hello :) ... regarding the package I prepared for kismet, should I forget about it ?
[09:24] <Nafallo> comadreja: package for kismet? what upstream version is it? :-)
[09:25] <comadreja> 2005.06.R1
[09:26] <comadreja> I needed ipw2200, I guess a lot of people will find it useful
[09:27] <Lathiat> ooh that version has ipw2200 support?
[09:27] <Lathiat> thatl rock :)
[09:27] <comadreja> yep
[09:27] <comadreja> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=101
[09:27] <comadreja> there it is waiting for a good review :)
[09:30] <Lathiat> well, siretart has made some comments
[09:30] <Lathiat> have you addressed them?
[09:30] <comadreja> I thought it had to be reviewed by more people
[09:31] <Lathiat> Yeh but if osmeone makes a review with some comment sof things tofix
[09:31] <Lathiat> you should fix them :)
[09:31] <Lathiat> and reupload
[09:31] <Lathiat> and more will review
[09:31] <comadreja> oh, but what is to be fixed ?
[09:31] <Lathiat> if ou need help with the changes
[09:31] <Lathiat> feel free to ask around
[09:31] <Lathiat> comadreja: it says on that page
[09:31] <comadreja> the lintian warnings are because of the orig sources
[09:31] <Lathiat> nothing major by the sounds of things
[09:32] <Lathiat> comadreja: he says theres some more, shrug
[09:32] <comadreja> that have CVS directories
[09:32] <Lathiat> comadreja: if you think its fine, then have a chat with siretart or someone else
[09:32] <comadreja> more than the previous
[09:32] <Lathiat> make sure they are ok
[09:32] <comadreja> One question
[09:32] <comadreja> the nmu thing...
[09:33] <comadreja> should I number it the debian way because of that ?
[09:33] <Nafallo> packages.debian.org down?
[09:33] <bddebian> So now can I be an MOTU??
[09:33] <Lathiat> comadreja: just append ubuntu1 to the debian version, i think
[09:33] <Lathiat> comadreja: migh twant to double check with someone else
[09:33] <comadreja> Lathiat : that's what I did
[09:33] <Lathiat> but that would make sense to me
[09:33] <Lathiat> ok, soudns good to me
[09:34] <comadreja> then I have to convince siretart :D
[09:34] <Lathiat> im just building it now
[09:34] <Lathiat> give it a testout
[09:34] <Lathiat> just waitin gfor pbuilder to do its thing
[09:34] <comadreja> cool :)
[09:34] <Nafallo> has debian even packaged 2005.06.R1 yet?
[09:34] <comadreja> nopes
[09:35] <comadreja> in unstable you have 2005.04.R1
[09:35] <Nafallo> yea, which didn't build because of the kernel-headers crap.
[09:36] <Nafallo> that is fixed in 2005.06.R1 ;-)
[09:36] <comadreja> I built it with no problems with pbuilder
[09:38] <comadreja> Lathiat : ;)
[09:38] <Lathiat> i need mroe cpu
[09:39] <Lathiat> a 2.0ghz pentium-m just isnt fast enough
[09:40] <Lathiat> hehe
[09:40] <Lathiat> need more ram
[09:40] <Lathiat> nother 512 or 1G woudl be nice
[09:40] <Lathiat> another 512 woudl be cheaper
[09:41] <comadreja> :D you bad
[09:41] <Lathiat> thats only $62 vs $190
[09:41] <siretart> comadreja: have you addressed the additional lintian warnings in your updated kismet package?
[09:41] <Nafallo> comadreja: you will probably want to change a bit in debian/control
[09:41] <comadreja> wich additional ?
[09:42] <comadreja> I just seen the warnings about CVS dirs
[09:42] <comadreja> Nafallo : sure
[09:42] <comadreja> letme check
[09:42] <Nafallo> comadreja: gpsd instead of gpsdrive :-)
[09:43] <Lathiat> comadreja: be nic eto include some sample source lines like the old debian packages
[09:43] <siretart> comadreja: run lintian on the version in breezy and compare with the lintian report of your package
[09:43] <Nafallo> comadreja: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/kismet/
[09:44] <Lathiat> nice
[09:44] <Lathiat> it works
[09:44] <Lathiat> thats so rad
[09:44] <siretart> comadreja: i'm not at home right now, will look at it tomorrow
[09:44] <comadreja> siretart : thanks a lot
[09:44] <comadreja> I will try to make it better
[09:44] <comadreja> I'll use dpatch btw
[09:45] <Lathiat> siretart: well uh, it works, so tahts a plus :)
[09:45] <Lathiat> this is rad
[09:45] <Lathiat> comadreja: you rock :)
[09:45] <Lathiat> now just get it fixed up so it can go into universe :)
[09:45] <comadreja> Lathiat : thanks ;)
[09:45] <siretart> comadreja: did you manage to get in touch with francois? (debian maintainer)
[09:45] <Nafallo> I was hoping that debian maintainer would fix kismet so we could bring it in and drop the ubuntu1 ;-)
[09:45] <comadreja> siretart : nopes, I'll write him personally
[09:46] <siretart> that would be great
[09:46] <comadreja> siretart : no answers to the bug reports
[09:46] <siretart> comadreja: perhaps he is at debconf
[09:46] <comadreja> siretart : let's try
[09:46] <Lathiat> wow kismet has got support for lots more cards
[09:46] <Nafallo> siretart: I asked Mithrandir before. seems he was not :-/.
[09:46] <Lathiat> madwifi support too
[09:47] <Nafallo> Lathiat: rt2x00 ;-)
[09:47] <Lathiat> and rt2[45] 00
[09:47] <Lathiat> and rt8180
[09:47] <Lathiat> damn
[09:47] <Lathiat> ooh, wrt54g too
[09:47] <Lathiat> dam
[09:47] <Lathiat> n
[09:47] <Lathiat> thats impresive :)
[09:48] <siretart> Lathiat: well, madwifi support is encouraging me to update kismet *g*
[09:50] <Nafallo> kismet 2005.04.R1 that we have (but doesn't build) doesn't differ from debian from what I've seen :-). The best solution in my opinion is to either wait for debian or ask debian to take an update from us :-).
[09:50] <Nafallo> for 2005.06.R1 that is...
[09:51] <comadreja> ok, I wrote Francois
[09:51] <Nafallo> comadreja: rock! :-)
[09:51] <comadreja> offering him the package I have
[09:52] <comadreja> :)
[09:56] <Nafallo> siretart: I want to comment on kismet, where can I get the login? :-)
[09:57] <Nafallo> if I need one for comments only that is ;-)
[10:00] <comadreja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU
[10:03] <siretart> Nafallo: commenting as non reviewer only for own comments atm. sorry
[10:04] <Nafallo> siretart: ahh, oki
[10:07] <bddebian> Bah, where are the NewPackages or SuggestedPackages or whatever the fsck it is called?
[10:11] <bddebian> Ack, how the fsck do you people know what to work on?  I'm looking at unmet deps list...
[10:21] <tritium> see you later on
[10:32] <bddebian> ogra: You still around?


[05:24] <smp4488> what is there as far as touch screen friendly audio players?
[05:30] <persia> smp4488, totem isn't too bad.
[12:07] <ian_brasil> dunno whether you follow maemo dev lists but there is a discussion about how maemo can better align with ubuntu and indeed debain http://wiki.maemo.org/Mainstream_Linux_Alignment
[12:07] <ian_brasil> any thoughts andor ideas on this would be great
[12:09] <raslam> can ubuntu mobile work on my O2 Xda
[12:09] <raslam> ?
[12:10] <raslam> my O2 Xda is running WM5 right now... So can I set up ubuntu mobile to run on it?
[12:11] <persia> raslam, Launchpad doesn't have any ARM buildds.  You might try the packages from mojo.handhelds.org
[12:12] <StevenK> Windows Mobile works on Arm?
[12:12] <persia> ian_brasil, Personally, I'd like to see closer alignment.  There's a lot of Maemo packages that aren't in Ubuntu today, and to meet certain use cases xfce components were added.  Having everything run inside the hildon context is probably cleaner.
[12:13] <persia> StevenK, ARM, PPC, and SH only I think.
[12:13]  * StevenK attempts to update his memory
[12:13] <persia> Might be ported to MIPS, but I think that was back when it was called "WinCE"
[12:14] <persia> SH is nearly dead, but Hitachi still buys enough licenses.  ARM is the primary arch.
[12:16] <ian_brasil> persia: interesting...xfce components...i did not know that...is there a list soewhere of these?
[12:17] <persia> At least thunar andmousepad.
[12:27] <raslam> persia: will ARMv5EL from mojo.handhelds.org work on O2 Xda?
[12:28] <raslam> persia: my cpu is OMAP850
[12:30] <persia> raslam, Actually, I don't know which Mojo flavours work on which ARM chips.  I'm too much of a coward to format any of my ARM devices, although I think I've gotten my Zaurus replacement nearly in shape to do the Zaurus next month.
[12:35] <ian_brasil> raslam: i think that might work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture
[13:35] <samjam> easlam: I flashed my O2 XDa with Ranju's WM6 build so that I could use HDSD cards for linux. I've been running titchy-mobile.
[13:35] <samjam> I mean raslam not easlam
[14:16] <lool> ian_brasil: Poke
[14:17] <ian_brasil> lool: hi
[19:49] <ian_brasil> does someone know how to find the cairo version and/or source used on mobile
[20:33] <lool> ian_brasil: It's the same as intrepid; you can either check launchpad, or if you have devscript, rmadison cairlo
[20:34] <lool> cairo
[20:34] <lool>      cairo | 1.8.0-0ubuntu1 |      intrepid | source
[20:34] <lool> *devscripts even
[20:47] <lool> 'night


[21:09] <jfj33> Clementine is in the Software Centre
[21:10] <jfj33> Great app, I use it too
[21:13] <bagus> Clementine is the lightest music player, it is by default in my PC
[21:16] <jfj33> QUESTION: have you tried any audio editing programs on Play On Linux?
[21:16] <jfj33> Ableton, Reason, Adobe Audition? etc


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[19:32] <wxl> probably still will be separate
[19:32] <wxl> Lubuntu Next is till in development
[19:34] <wxl> it's unclear as to whether or not once Next *IS* completed that we will drop GTK
[19:34] <wxl> it's been posited there may be two separate releases
[19:35] <wxl> or an installer option perhaps
[19:37] <wxl> one thing that will be funky is the apps will eb different between them
[19:38] <wxl> so the disc will be rather huge
 wxl: How hard would it be for you to get to making sure Lubuntu has UEFI and LVM/Encrypted LVM testcases today?
 It's all good if you can't do it
 But that means I will
[19:49] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it is probably something i can do tonight but i need to really consider which vms can actually support uefi
 (I would prefer it if you would)
 @wxl, Instructions do exist for doing UEFI with KVM
[19:49] <wxl> and is that (UEFI + (LVM | encrypted LVM))
[19:49] <wxl> yeah and i need to check they work well too
 Yes
[19:50] <wxl> i mean i would think it needs to be:
 Right, or maybe @Schyken can give us a hand or something
[19:51] <wxl> ((not UEFI | UEFI) + (LVM | encrypted LVM | unencrypted non-LVM))
[19:51] <wxl> so i'll review that and make sure they're all there
[19:51] <wxl> and i'll grab a zesty iso and make sure the UEFI on the VM is behaving well, at least with vbox
[19:51] <wxl> the thing that's nice is that @Schyken has actually UEFI machines to play with
 Hai!
 @Schyken, Hey! In about 30 mins it would be great if you could do some testing
 Sounds great, I'm down
 @Schyken So when I say it's ready, the Bionic daily ISOs need to be tested to make sure they can do LVM and UEFI installs with no problem
 ISOs are building right now
 Perfect. iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
 Eh
 cdimage.ubuntu.com
 Ah, that works :P
 Habit :3
 Lubuntu Daily Live images, but 20171120.1
 I gotcha. Thx
 Thank *you*
 :)
 @tsimonq2, These aren't built yet BTW :P
 @tsimonq2, With fixed lvm?
 @VikingRedwolf, Yes. For Bionic. If those fix it, then we get 17.10 respins.
 That's why @Schyken tests are so important ;)
 I am beefboi
 @Schyken, Actually could you also join #ubuntu-release on IRC? Just until this is sorted...
[20:15] <wxl> or if you're on matrix, you could just get your bridge to temporariily join the channel
 Bah
 @tsimonq2, Ewwwwww
 @Schyken, Pleeeeeaaaaaassssssseeeeeeeeee
 Fiiiiine
[20:18] <wxl> (or just use matrix)
 .___.
 Why would I do that tho
[20:19] <wxl> cuz you want to avoid irc at all costs :)
 Tru
[20:19] <wxl> and then if you do that you can just replace telegram with matrix
 @wxl, This is a nope
 I like Telegram :3
[20:22] <wxl> hey we can't all be perfect ;)
 :P
 @Schyken ISOs are ready
 @Schyken When you're done verifying that you can do installs with LVM and UEFI while not needing an Internet connection, please ping me and infinity on #ubuntu-release
 Who is infinity?
 why do we have a Trello bot? O_o
[21:10] <wxl> Adam Conrad
[21:10] <wxl> i.e. Release Master
[21:10] <wxl> i think we set that up and some point for some unknown reason
 KILL IT!
 o____o
[21:11] <wxl> it might be nice for us to have a kanban of some kind
 Ahh
 really?
[21:11] <wxl> well yeah, i think so
[21:11] <wxl> so we don't lose track of ideas and such
[21:11] <wxl> honestly i'd prefer something other than trello tho
 that's easy. I don't have any .___.
 O____O
[21:12] <wxl> well i guess simon decided for us
 @tsimonq2, oookay
 wxl, @VikingRedwolf: We should set up a Phab instance
 -___-
[21:12] <wxl> or taiga
 @wxl, We didn't use them at all. Not that we can't add them back...
 Simon a.k.a. the Remover
[21:13] <wxl> @tsimonq2: agreed but you just santa'd us :)
 what's Phab?
 what's Taiga?
 what's evrything?!
 damn, and you didn't want a Slack account
 Fwd from VikingRedwolf: KILL IT!
 @VikingRedwolf, Eew Slack
 @tsimonq2, remember, I'm only BOSS of my team. my team has ONE members. so I'm in command of myself. XD
[21:14] <wxl> and you're barely in control of that
 XD
 you mean the web?
 meh
 also that's the idea. what if I go as a missionary and leave you? then you, wxl, will have to take care of icons and stuff
[21:16] <wxl> well since we have no public todo list, i wouldn't be able to
[21:16] <wxl> which is the value of hte likes of trello
 it must be a free / opensource / open task manager
 @wxl, Would you be open to trying Phab?
[21:17] <wxl> it MUST be free?
[21:17] <wxl> you mean like telegram?
[21:17] <wxl> sheesh
[21:17] <wxl> anyways
[21:17] <wxl> taiga is open source and disroot has an instance https://disroot.org/services/project-board
[21:18] <wxl> does phab have a simple kanban board sort of thing?
[21:18] <wxl> yep. workboard
[21:19] <wxl> so yeah i'd be into phab
[21:19] <wxl> phabricator
[21:20] <wxl> made by phillicity
[21:20] <wxl> oops too many l's XD
 yes, I see only phablets XD
 Phab is nice, it's used by a couple different projects I'm in
 @wxl, reminded me to Phillllllllll
 I like how Phabricator looks
[21:21] <wxl> seriously, forget function
[21:21] <wxl> if it looks good, it's got to be good
[21:22] <wxl> do they have an app btw?
 or paid software
 usually paid software looks good :|
 https://www.phacility.com/pricing/
 @Schyken How's it coming along, amigo? :3
 @wxl, not for mobiles
[21:24] <wxl> suuuure?
 No: https://secure.phabricator.com/Q482
 a simple one for iOS: https://github.com/rphl/phabricator-ios-app
 and no integration with Matrix or Telegram
 AND you need your own server
 otherwise you pay
[21:26] <wxl> actually it looks nice in mobile
[21:26] <wxl> (i'm on phabricator.kde.org)
 https://dev.solus-project.com
 😉
 Oh, and if you haven't noticed wxl, literally all of KDE uses it too :P
[21:28] <wxl> oh yeah i noticed
[21:28] <wxl> ^^ see above
 @tsimonq2, Double checking UEFI. Noticed a few warnings on boot, gonna see if it persists
[21:29] <wxl> do they even list their integration options?
 @Schyken, What kind of warnings?
 @tsimonq2, Not sure yet :P Copying logs
 @Schyken, we support you!! .__.
 @wxl, I don't think so but it's FLOSS and the standard integration stuff seems to be there
[21:30] <RedWolf[m]> what integration? to Telegram or similar?
[21:32] <wxl> yeah
[21:32] <RedWolf[m]> sounds too perfect to be true
[21:32] <RedWolf[m]>  BUT!
[21:32] <RedWolf[m]> we still need a server
[21:32] <wxl> i think that's what @tsimonq2 is offering
[21:32] <wxl> if not i don't know why he's wasting our time XD
[21:33] <RedWolf[m]> XD
[21:33] <RedWolf[m]> yes, because I have SO many things to do now
 @wxl, I'm down
 I'll take that as a yes ^^
 I'm asking my supervisor if he'll be OK with Altispeed sponsoring a server for us
 Then we would just put a logo somewhere
 I could do that
 is that plan reliable?
 Whatcha mean?
 I mean, if they're not going to switch us off at any time
 also remember, I have to be able to create a WP instance there, while keeping ours alive to allow the transfer
 Why do you have to create a WP instance there?!?
 @VikingRedwolf, Nope, it's reliable. Just don't get me fired. .__.
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_2172.mp4
 @tsimonq2, Why, @VikingRedwolf?
 It would just be for Phab for now
 ah, okies, I was thinking about a complete moving. anyways, our site must go to Canonical's mainframe
 Our website, yeah
 @Schyken How's it going?
 @tsimonq2, UEFI is working on my machines
 Warnings were unrelated to Lubuntu. I had some devices connected that offered updates.
 @Schyken, Excellent.
 @Schyken, You're hired!
 wxl, @VikingRedwolf: I have the VPS, I'll get everything set up with Phab shortly
 wxl: You have DNS administrative powers right?
[23:52] <wxl> @tsimonq2: shortly like today? if so we can test it by putting a workboard card for me re: test cases
[23:52] <wxl> @tsimonq2: Canonical controls DNS
 @wxl, Would vanguard be able to help me?
[23:52] <wxl> if they're about
[23:53] <wxl> looks like fo0bar is your man
[23:53] <wxl> or not hm
[23:53] <wxl> oh yeah no that's the guy
 @tsimonq2, That was fast!


[00:31] <wei> Hi
[10:36] <jarnos> Why is headphone level always up in alsamixer after boot? I put a command to make it zero volume in autostarted applications, but it does not help.
[16:02] <redlion> hello does some1 know where the .asoundrc needs to be located in ubuntu ?
[16:02] <redlion> is that home dir or root dir ?
[17:07] <vlt> Hello. How can I downgrade libavcodec to a version not affected by the bug #793 (committed in April 2014) to be able to decode h.264 IPB video?
[17:08] <vlt> (It’s libav’s bug 793)
[17:08] <vlt> https://bugzilla.libav.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793
[18:09] <noobian> question: have guitar through amp (out via headphones) into computer - can plug in mono-mic and no issues... but only have stereo m-m cable
[18:09] <noobian> do I need mono cable to avoid excess noise?
[18:09] <noobian> I set-up the track as mono
[18:10] <noobian> just get lots of hissing and crackling on headphone out.
[18:11] <noobian> which goes to mic-in obv.
[18:11] <noobian> on pc
[18:12] <noobian> have no issues with audacity ftr
[18:13] <noobian> all asleep, or just playing idlerpg?
[18:14] <noobian> I figured as it's a headphone jack that stereo m-m cable would be fine
[18:15] <noobian> *mic direct into pc
[18:15] <vlt> noobian: If it’s a headphone out I’d rather connect it to "line in", not "mic".
[18:16] <noobian> only have headphone and mic (front mic) on pc
[18:18] <noobian> brb |_|)
[18:24] <noobian> must be the lack of sleep, or excess of imbibed stimulants ([_] * 6
[18:37] <noobian> thanks


[09:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:29] <conartist> lordievader: goodmorning
[09:29] <lordievader> o/
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[18:22] <dax> 18:19  * Pelo use to be a big man in this channel,  even had ops for a couple of days
[18:22] <dax> unsurprisingly i have no idea who this is
[18:29] <daftykins> i guess all the chasing off blurs into one eventually :)
[18:30] <dax> or it was before my time. or they're mistaken
[18:30] <OerHeks> couple of days sounds like it was a mistake.
[18:30] <dax> idk. apparently Back In The Day that was a thing that happened
[18:38] <daftykins> "I can't take the pressure, maaaan!" *leaves*
[18:43] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^
[18:44] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[18:48] <BluesKaj> strange happenings with my gpu, thought installing the nvidia-340 would settle down whatever was causing thermal runaway with the nouveau driver and it seemed to work , still in the 80s tho which is above the normal  65-70C
[18:51] <EriC^^> damn
[18:53] <daftykins> what's the DE? an accelerated one?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> well, it's better than yesterday /var/log showed the temp at 105C when the thermal breaker shut X doen completely , twice, so that's when I installed the 340 driver
[18:57] <BluesKaj> KDE/Plasma 5.6.5 with OpenGL 3.1/GLX
[18:58] <BluesKaj> but that's a normal setting
[19:03] <BluesKaj> seems to be coming down some now
[19:05] <daftykins> ah yeah so a GUI accelerated desktop
[19:05] <daftykins> is it old enough that it's perhaps worth checking the/any fan and maybe redoing the thermal paste?
[19:21] <tgm4883> !info linux-image-4.4.0-22-generic
[19:23] <daftykins> a Bashing-om and a tgm4883 o/
[19:24] <tgm4883> OerHeks: EriC^^ I browsed the ubottu source and it's using apt to figure out that "optional" state, which means it's pulling it from packaging. Looking at some packaging, it's the "Priority" in the control file. Not sure what would be considered required since this is the definitions https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities
[19:24] <tgm4883> daftykins: o/
[19:24] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Just a good day in the neighborhood . Ya still doing freelance In Spain ?
[19:24] <tgm4883> !info systemd
[19:25] <tgm4883> there we go, a required one
[19:25] <OerHeks> ah nice find.
[19:25] <tgm4883> OerHeks: yea that was bothering me what it meant
[19:26] <tgm4883> I guess kernels don't count as there are many versions
[19:27] <EriC^^> cool
[19:27] <daftykins> Bashing-om: nah it was just the one-off trip :) i'd die from the heat there!
[19:28] <daftykins> i have more geek porn news \o/ https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8iiftw23glst03v/AAAD3QXUYgpmkNdK2LYNVJqca?dl=0
[19:28] <Bashing-om> Heber Springs, AR: Temp: 90 F (32 C) ~ Clear ~ Heat index: 102 F (39 C) ~ Humidity: 66% ~ Observed: Fri 24, 14:15
[19:28] <Bashing-om> I am hugging the AC ! ^
[19:29] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: it's supposed to get up to 69F here today
[19:30] <tgm4883> Everywhere in the US it's hot, and here I am in the PNW turning on the heater
[19:32] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: Pardon my ignoarnce - PNW ?-  .. a return to 69 degrees for a high is but a short time in the waiting, all things considered.
[19:33] <tgm4883> oregon/washington. Pacific NorthWest
[19:37] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: OK ... I spewnt a couple of yeads Navy time in Puget Sound ..  Seattle is a beautiful city and all .. but all that days and days of rain and clouds ! / Had an opportunity to return in the civillian life and declined .
[19:38] <tgm4883> Yea rain and clouds is something we have a bunch of
[21:24] <daftykins> hehe
[21:25] <daftykins> i was rewatching Frasier, they always talk of the rain ;)


[00:00] <chx_> see the problem is that there are conflicts in earlier which go away later
[00:00] <chx_> but dont worry
[00:00] <chx_> i can do a few manually
[00:01] <dash> chx_: wanting to pull in a bunch of random revisions like that is a sign you're going to suffer no matter what :)
[00:01]  * chx_ suffers.
[00:01] <dash> how did this happen?
[00:01] <chx> dont ask.,
[00:01] <dash> oh well too late
[00:01] <chx> i have exceptionally talented co-workers
[00:01] <dash> Heh
[00:01] <dash> so do the people in my office... ;)
[00:01] <chx> they got their pink slips already worry not
[00:02] <chx> i am just cleaning up the mess
[00:02] <chx> this is what happens when you hire so many people for a huge project in such a short tim
[00:02] <chx> you get good people... and some only good in destruction
[00:02] <bialix> lol
[00:03] <chx> some ppl managed to play so nice tricks with a combination of switch, bind and unbind that if you just merge in their branch then trunk changes get reverted
[00:04] <chx> so i need to cherrypick the revisions that actually make progress
[00:06] <chx> mmmm merge -i
[00:07] <chx> is it going to tell me that applying something would end up in a conflict?
[00:08] <chx> oh it DOES
[00:09]  * chx hugs merge -i
[00:12]  * TresEquis wishes he could give pink slips to a couple of OSS community members
[01:42] <Peng_> jam: Which view is broken?
[06:19] <Peng_> jam: FWIW, I just merged history_db into your integration branch, fixed some conflicts, and pushed it to lp:~mnordhoff/loggerhead/jam-integration
[06:20]  * Peng_ dies of conflictitis
[15:46] <deviantintegral> anyone here using bzr-svn on OS X? It doesn't look to be saving SVN credentials, so it asks for a password for every HTTPS operation.
[17:53] <deviantintegral> anyone have a good link to an explanation of why you need bzr join/split?
[17:54] <maxb> Because sometimes you want merge two projects into one, or split one project into two?
[17:55] <deviantintegral> maxb: ok. so right now I'm dealing with a vendor branch. With SVN, an svn cp is enough, but a bzr branch within an existing branch is more like an svn:external?
[17:56] <maxb> A bzr branch within a bzr branch is most like checking one unrelated svn working copy out within another
[17:57] <deviantintegral> maxb: awesome, thanks, exactly what I was looking for
[17:57] <maxb> it is? That's a cumbersome way to work
[17:58] <maxb> Mainly because it means each person has to branch all the branches and arrange them locally manually
[18:00] <deviantintegral> perhaps I'm not explaining it properly - the directions I have are http://pastebin.com/9zCPAHhx
[18:00] <deviantintegral> but if there's a better way to do it, I'd be curious to know
[18:02] <fullermd> 'join' is just a little syntactic sugar around 'merge'.
[18:03] <deviantintegral> so I could do the same thing by doing a bzr merge into my tree
[18:03] <deviantintegral> that makes sense
[18:03] <fullermd> Plus a little extra work to move the 'root' of that new tree off to where you want it, yes.
[18:04] <fullermd> You'll use merge to get later updates.
[18:05] <deviantintegral> nice
[18:39] <mathrick> jelmer: hi
[18:39] <mathrick> mathrick@hatsumi:~/elisp/dist$ bzr get http://github.com/remvee/android-mode.git
[18:39] <mathrick> bzr: ERROR: HTTP Error 406: Not Acceptable
[18:39] <mathrick> what gives?
[18:39] <mathrick> also I got a crasher when I try to get the same via git+ssh://
[18:50] <mathrick> woah there: http://pastebin.com/7h1rLN6q
[18:50] <mathrick> that looks bad
[18:51] <mathrick> bah, it's my ~/Dev/ shared repo acting up again
[18:51] <mathrick> I hate it
[18:51] <fullermd> Oh yeah?!  Well, it hates you too!
[18:51] <mathrick> heh
[18:52] <mathrick> well, I don't make its life miserable, so it has no reason to
[18:53] <fullermd> Did you remember its birthday?
[18:53] <mathrick> :)
[18:57] <TresEquis> mathrick: send it some flowers
[18:57] <TresEquis> or maybe chocolates
[19:09] <jelmer> mathrick: hi
[19:09] <mathrick> jelmer: hey
[19:10] <mathrick> I updated bzr-git, and the difference is that now it stalls and does nothing instead of erroring out
[19:11] <jelmer> mathrick: which repo are you trying to fetch?
[19:11] <mathrick> http://github.com/remvee/android-mode.git
[19:13] <jelmer> bzr.dev branch git://github.com/remvee/android-mode.git
[19:13] <jelmer> works fine here
[19:13] <mathrick> hmm
[19:13] <mathrick> well, I'll assume it's something wrong with 2.1 then
[19:16] <jelmer> mathrick: are you fetching over git:// or http://
[19:18] <mathrick> jelmer: http://
[19:18] <mathrick> with git:// it works fine
[19:20] <jelmer> mathrick: http:// is really really slow for git
[19:21] <mathrick> jelmer: I just used it because that was what github gave me by default
[19:27] <jelmer> mathrick:  this is a github issue I think, e.g. try accessing http://github.com/remvee/android-mode.git/info/refs.
[19:28] <mathrick> jelmer: loads OK in the browser
[19:29] <lifeless> hai
[19:29] <mathrick> jelmer: btw, did you have the time to look into that bug with bzr-git getting confused if it's pointed at a URL with .git's content at the toplevel?
[19:29] <jelmer> lifeless: hey
[19:29] <mathrick> that is, bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "http://common-lisp.net/project/parenscript/git/parenscript/"
[19:29] <jelmer> mathrick: doesn't work here..
[19:30] <mathrick> jelmer: interesting
[19:30] <mathrick> then it's probably github being at fauly
[19:30] <mathrick> *fault
[19:30] <jelmer> mathrick: Is there a bug about that?
[19:30] <mathrick> nope, I just poked you in here, but then got distracted and forgot to file it
[19:30] <mathrick> at least I don't think there is one
[19:39] <jelmer> mathrick: please file one, I don't remember everything people say to me on irc :-)
[19:39] <mathrick> you should :)
[19:39] <mathrick> but ok, will do
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[22:00] <knittl> hi. is there an easy way to inspect bazaar's storage format?
[22:01] <Peng_> Inspect how?
[22:02] <Peng_> And...which one?
[22:02] <knittl> all of them. but good point, bazaar has changed its format several times
[22:02] <knittl> git has object with hashes as names, hg has debug*, i'm looking for the bzr counterpart
[22:03] <Peng_> knittl: dump-btree is nice for the btree-format indexes.
[22:04] <knittl> what path does it expect?
[22:04] <knittl> because . makes it crash :D
[22:05] <Peng_> knittl: A btree index file. Such as .bzr/repository/pack-names
[22:06] <knittl> i'll look into it. it's a good starting point. thank you
[22:07] <Peng_> LUNCH! /me vanishes in puff of smoke


 Looking forward to my experience . As is I boot in under 5 seconds on a spinner .
[02:23] <Bashing-om> here/hear* !
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> nice nice
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i had some issues with the daily installer though..
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ubi-language crashes on error 141 forcing me to use english systemwide
[02:26] <Bashing-om> bug ? operator error ?
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> yep ill bug it
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: and a pretty old one too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/459550
[02:27] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 459550 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubi-language failed with exit code 141" [Medium,Triaged]
[02:28] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Bug squad, still looking for for help . Lots of old bugs still around.
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1566116
[02:47] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1566116 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubi-language crashed with exit code 141" [Undecided,New]
[02:50] <Bashing-om> look'n ^ .
[02:54] <Bashing-om> Should be good, Hope it gets them trackers' attention .
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> yeah lets hope
[02:57] <Bashing-om> :)
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: and another bug im affected to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/1325801
[03:01] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1325801 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Wily) "failed to boot from USB disk with error: gfxboot.c32: not a COM32R Image boot:" [Critical,Triaged]
[03:12] <Bashing-om> not much to heat it up .. lots of " Won't Fix￼ ".
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> anoying bug for new users..
[03:20] <Bashing-om> One work-a-round. maybe not for the new user : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073 .
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: interesting, ill test also the new usb creator from xenial
[03:28] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: K; let sudodus know your results .. he do work hard .
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> kk
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[04:47] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:57] <BluesKaj> hey TJ-
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-unity-8-desktop-progress-video
[17:12] <TJ-> evening :)
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-budgie-could-be-the-new-flavor-of-ubuntu-linux-as-part-of-ubuntu-16-10-502573.shtml
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[17:20] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: plugged my new 850 pro ssd in my netbook and installed xenial on it
[17:21] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,  cool , fast eh/
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> rocknroll :p
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: i had to bypass a nasty old bug though..
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1566116
[17:22] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1566116 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubi-language crashed with exit code 141" [Undecided,New]
[17:22] <BluesKaj> I us an EVO 850 ssd on this old pc and it brought it to life
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: placed the evo one on my desktop upstairs, the pro in netbook :p
[17:25] <BluesKaj> yeah , thinking of another evo 850 for the laptop then using the 1TB hdd as an outboard medai drive
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: good idea, i payed 94 euro now for the 128gig 850 pro
[17:27] <BluesKaj> ok you guys must pay a lot of vat taxes there., am i correct ?  Ours is 13%
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> 21%
[17:28] <BluesKaj> vat = value added tax on consumer goods
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: but the evo is also cheaper here
[17:30] <BluesKaj> I paid $125 CDN for the evo 850 256 GB ssd including taxes
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[17:30] <BluesKaj> amazon
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> the pro is bit more expensive, but samsung gives 10 years warranty
[17:31] <BluesKaj> ok , that's a nice warranty
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[17:37] <BluesKaj> ok lots of stuff to do toady ...later
[18:30] <BluesKaj> hey Bashing-om
[18:30] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: Hello, how it be with your world ?
[18:35] <BluesKaj> ok , was checking s few old hdds, but they're toast ..was hoping for a better result, but they have to go the electronics recycler
[18:37] <BluesKaj> one isn't so old , a 3yr old WD 1TB .,..very disappointed with that one
[18:37] <BluesKaj> how about you Bashing-om?
[18:39] <Bashing-om> Bout the same. Got a WD drive that is problematic and needs replacing .. Got nothing I am comfortable with on hand . Sure a good time to go SSD !
[18:40] <daftykins> :D
[18:40] <daftykins> none of them last these days, all brands are quite disappointing
[18:41] <BluesKaj> yea lotus and I were discussing that earlier...thinking of a ssd for my lenovo g500 laptop and using the 1TB hdd from it as an outboard media drive
[18:42] <daftykins> that'd be the best combo for sure
[18:42] <BluesKaj> but like you say that drive may not last either :/
[18:42] <daftykins> just the other day i had a laptop in with a mechanical drive for the first time - and i had to remember to be gentle with it
[18:42] <daftykins> everything else being solid state now you can just fling laptops around :D
[18:45] <BluesKaj> yeah the i3 intel cpu as an enbtry level processer is really fast for ordinary computing , adding a ssd to the mix would speed it up even more
[18:46] <daftykins> i'd actually been quite surprised recently since i got that really cheap i5 in, the jump up from even a 4th generation haswell i3 to a haswell or newer i5 is huge
[18:46] <daftykins> i go for i3 at the office level though
[18:46] <BluesKaj> of course I'm used to this old desktop amd 5200+ so any thing in the 5 yrs or so is problya lot faster
[18:47] <BluesKaj> sdd really helps it tho
[18:48] <daftykins> :D
[18:48] <daftykins> oh definitely, they've helped me stave off the desire to upgrade this desktop since i built it in 2007
[18:48] <daftykins> still running one of the first best SSDs, the intel X25-M G2 160GB
[18:48]  * BluesKaj nods
[18:50] <daftykins> still have to giggle a bit that i've just ordered 32GB RAM... i'm all too aware of when that was the hard disk size ;)
[18:51] <BluesKaj> wifey bought me an evo 850 256GB for Christmas so I mounted it in this desktop...new life into an old horse :-)
[18:51] <daftykins> :D
[18:52] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjuf1qlz9ocecks/deskie.JPG?dl=0
[18:52] <BluesKaj> 32GB seems like a lot to me
[18:52] <daftykins> i've picked one of the new M.2 PCI-Express connected NVMe SSDs for my new desktop
[18:52] <BluesKaj> ram that is
[18:52] <daftykins> sounds it, but when you look at the price - and that i virtualise a lot, it'll be great
[18:53] <BluesKaj> pci eh , cool  ..bleeding edge
[18:53] <daftykins> i want to try and last a good few years like with this PC, for this next one - so going all out makes sense to me :D
[18:53] <Bashing-om> Me too ! That is the SSD I have my eye on : *****)Samsung 850 EVO 250GB $84.58 >> $71.00 Newegg But out of stock .
[18:54] <BluesKaj> oh a virtualizer, understood
[18:54] <daftykins> mmm i would personally avoid the EVOs since they use TLC which won't have the same endurance, thus life span, as MLC
[18:55] <BluesKaj> at 71 bucks it looks like a loss leader
[18:55] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Noted ! Was not that aware .
[18:55] <BluesKaj> TLC.MLC ? uhm ?
[18:57] <daftykins> it relates to the design of the NAND memory chips, they reduce cost by storing more bits per cell - which due to the way they're built, can then be harder to read back after some time goes by with TLC (triple level cell) versus MLC (multi level cell) which is a confusing one given triple and multi sound the same :D
[18:58] <daftykins> it's how the industry has chosen to name them though. the samsung 840 EVOs had a big ongoing firmware blunder, which is still evident, where over time of filling up the drive the performance would drop off to a tiny fraction of 1% that of new, as it was becoming harder and harder to read the data
[18:58] <daftykins> they 'solved' this, or rather cheated it in the end by having the firmware go over the drive during idle times and rewrite everything to ensure the charge levels are strong enough to be read
[18:59] <daftykins> i don't expect the 850 generation suffers from this so much, but it's probably still present
[19:04] <BluesKaj> I probly won't notice since my cpu is somewhat older and slower than the modern ones anyway
[19:06] <daftykins> oh we're talking dramatic performance reduction
[19:07] <BluesKaj> when this pc craps out I'll just get a raspi with all the trimmings and use that as my htpc
[19:07] <daftykins> http://www.anandtech.com/show/8617/samsung-releases-firmware-update-to-fix-the-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug
[19:07] <daftykins> :D i'd recommend the Amazon FireTV!
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> hi daftykins
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> hi Bashing-om
[19:07] <daftykins> \o hi sir
[19:07] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: look what's on the way - https://www.dropbox.com/s/zjuf1qlz9ocecks/deskie.JPG?dl=0
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: holy smokin oO
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> nice material mate
[19:09] <daftykins> ^_^
[19:09] <daftykins> finally pushing the boat out after 9 years with the Q6600
[19:09] <BluesKaj> not ready for an android box yet , my internet connection is only 6mb so i9t barely handles netflix at ild std def resolution
[19:10] <BluesKaj> the std def
[19:11] <daftykins> ah, well i use mine to run Kodi to play my local content from my file server
[19:11] <daftykins> just earlier today i was putting one in my clients' childs bedroom for doing the same also, where we have over 1,000 films from DVDs all ripped onto a file server
[19:11] <daftykins> all nicely disclessly available :D
[19:12] <lotuspsychje>  Model=Samsung SSD 850 PRO 128GB, FwRev=EXM02B6Q, SerialNo=S24ZNXAGC04031J
[19:13] <BluesKaj> I'm in the boonies so there's only one OTA TV channel in my area, so we're stuck with either sattv or cable
[19:15] <BluesKaj> I could switch to faster fibre internet and drop the sattv , but wife needs convincing first
[19:16] <daftykins> BluesKaj: what's the damage on getting fiber in? is it already at your door?
[19:16] <daftykins> sorry damage being a British colloquialism for cost :D
[19:17] <BluesKaj> it's the distribution box in my front yard , on the easement portion of the property , so it's copper wire from there
[19:17] <BluesKaj> but fibre to the dist box
[19:18] <daftykins> oh so you might get VDSL tech like i have here?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> it would be about 85bucks cdn for 50mb/mos
[19:20] <daftykins> how does that compare to the current satellite service?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> dunno what the data cap is tho
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> i got 50mbit vdsl2 + phone+tv for 39 euros
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> no data limits
[19:22] <BluesKaj> sat service is 60/mos for my packages which is quite minimal , no sports or US news packs etc,but it suffices for our tv habits
[19:23] <BluesKaj> dropped cnn and those other US news channels plus the sports chans were very expensive
[19:24] <daftykins> i'll bet!
[19:25] <BluesKaj> our total phone, internet and tv is 125/mos , so we basically cut it in half 18mos ago by switcjing internet and phone provders and those tv chans
[19:27] <daftykins> i don't even use a TV service here
[19:28] <daftykins> thankfully right now i don't have to pay the BBC if i don't watch their live TV services
[19:28] <BluesKaj> we're retired on fixed income and tired of being fleeced here
[19:29] <BluesKaj> daftykins, cool free tv is the way to go :-)
[19:29] <daftykins> you can use their catchup services, i don't really tend to do that either
[19:30] <daftykins> sometimes i used to check out the local BBC news but hearing about a cow falling over in a field got old ;)
[19:31] <BluesKaj> LOL
[19:32] <BluesKaj> :-0
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys, movietimes :p
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one
[19:33] <BluesKaj> yeah , later guys , going shopping..take care
[23:51] <Bashing-om> chrome-repo
[23:51] <Bashing-om> !chrome-repo
[23:51] <ubot5`> Google recently deprecated 32-bit Chrome, which causes errors on 64-bit multiarch Ubuntu systems. To fix this, run:   sudo sed -i 's/deb http/deb [arch=amd64] http/' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list /opt/google/chrome/cron/google-chrome


[01:43] <cjwatson> TheLordOfTime: uploaded
[01:50] <TheLordOfTime> cjwatson: thanks!
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:15] <Noskcaj> Laney, I only just saw your reply. Sorry for going offline, but my parents don't like the PC on after 8
[08:32]  * Logan_ waves to dholbach.
[08:33] <dholbach> hi logan_
[08:35] <Noskcaj> hey Logan_, dholbach.
[08:35] <Noskcaj> Any chance you could sponsor more stuff for me?
[08:36] <Noskcaj> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libxfce4ui/4.11/+merge/200196 being the main thing
[08:36] <dholbach> hiya Noskcaj
[08:36]  * Noskcaj needs to do something other than nag random sponsors
[08:36] <Logan_> I'll take a look, Jackson.
[08:37] <dholbach> thanks logan_
[08:37] <dholbach> I'll do a bit more sponsoring later on
[08:37] <Logan_> No problem.
[08:37] <Noskcaj> thanks Logan_
[08:37] <dholbach> need to rush off for a bit now
[08:37] <Logan_> Believe me, I live for doing this stuff at 3:30 AM. :P
[08:37] <Noskcaj> bye dholbach
[08:37] <Noskcaj> lol
[08:38] <Noskcaj> And fyi, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS doesn't go to anywhere, might need taking out of the topic
[08:38] <dholbach> Logan_, haha!
[08:38] <Noskcaj> Logan_, Why are you awake at 3:30AM?
[08:39] <Logan_> Noskcaj: Wonderful news. Bazaar crashed trying to merge your branch.
[08:39] <Noskcaj> LOL
[08:39] <Logan_> The wonders of UDD.
[08:39] <Noskcaj> It's easier than MoM, but yeah
[08:39] <Logan_> I'll give it another try.
[08:40] <Logan_> Nope, crashed again.
[08:40] <Logan_> Do you want me to just do the merge myself?
[08:41] <Noskcaj> Logan_, I guess so, i blocks ~10 other xubuntu merges
[08:41] <dholbach> it's unorthodox, but you could try to just get Noskcaj's branch and build the source package from it and see if that works
[08:41] <Noskcaj> *it
[08:41] <Logan_> Ah, I'll try that.
[08:42] <Noskcaj> Logan_, It's probably because i only learned that UDD had a debian experimental branch after i made the merge
[08:43] <Logan_> Oh, so you didn't do a bzr merge debianlp:experimental/libxfce4ui ?
[08:43] <Logan_> That probably explains the crash. Let me try building your branch directly, as Daniel suggested.
[08:44] <Noskcaj> Thanks. I probably need to fix libgweather some time tomorrow, since it will have the same issue
[08:48] <Logan_> Noskcaj: Looks good. Uploading.
[08:48] <Logan_> Unable to find libxfce4ui_4.11.0.orig.tar.bz2 in upload or distribution.
[08:48] <Logan_> Er.
[08:48] <Logan_> Let's try that again.
[08:49] <Noskcaj> thanks
[08:49] <Logan_> I forgot to include the tarball when building.
[08:49] <Noskcaj> :)
[08:50] <Logan_> This time with more gusto.
[08:50] <Logan_> Okay, accepted.
[12:23] <michagogo|cloud> !info litecoin
[12:24] <michagogo|cloud> !info litecoin trusty
[12:24] <michagogo|cloud> o_O
[12:24] <michagogo|cloud> packages.ubuntu.com disagrees
[12:24] <michagogo|cloud> !info src:litecoin trusty
[12:24] <michagogo|cloud> !info litecoind trusty
[12:25] <michagogo|cloud> ah
[12:25] <michagogo|cloud> This should be removed from Trusty, and blacklisted for import from Debian, as Bitcoin was. (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2013-December/002681.html)
[12:26] <michagogo|cloud> (I also emailed suggesting this, but it doesn't seem there was any response...)
[12:51] <cjwatson> please file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[12:52] <cjwatson> other methods stand a good chance of getting lost
[13:01] <michagogo|cloud> cjwatson: "Ubuntu Package Archive Administrators (ubuntu-archive)"?
[13:02] <cjwatson> yes
[13:02] <michagogo|cloud> done
[13:02] <michagogo|cloud> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/litecoin/+bug/1267088
[13:02] <cjwatson> we tend to process those in batch mode, so it may take a while, but we always at least make a point of clearing out the list before release
[13:06] <michagogo|cloud> cjwatson: Doesn't it need to be done by some time in February?
[13:08] <cjwatson> why?
[13:09] <cjwatson> feature freeze has no effect on removing stuff
[13:12] <michagogo|cloud> Ah, okay
[22:32] <jtaylor> hm which package are the python gi gtk bindings?
[22:54] <jtaylor> you to to love 40 minute test suites that run 6 times :(