[01:00] <crimsonmane> how does one find unanswered questions on launchpad ?
[01:05] <teward> probably filter on "Open" only... but don't quote me on that
[01:07] <crimsonmane> there's no filtering option
[01:07] <crimsonmane> see here: https://answers.launchpad.net/
[01:11] <teward> well you have to have a specific project selected of course
[01:11] <teward> if you're just trying to search all projects, well, why would you want to see all the unanswered questions for all the projects
[01:12] <crimsonmane> why would you not?
[01:12] <teward> not to mention you'll probably run into timeout errors
[01:12] <crimsonmane> everyone says if you want to get involved in open source, "just do it then."
[01:12] <teward> in *theory* maybe this link would help... https://answers.launchpad.net/questions/+questions?field.search_text=&field.actions.search=Find+Answers&field.scope=all&field.scope.target=&field.sort=RELEVANCY&field.status%3Alist=OPEN
[01:13] <teward> crimsonmane, "open source" is a very wide scope, usually you only get involved in something specific in open source (in my case, nginx, znc, and some server packages)
[01:13] <crimsonmane> no
[01:13] <crimsonmane> you start by finding something to work on
[01:13] <crimsonmane> back up a step. how to find said something?
[01:13] <teward> i don't agree with that statement.
[01:13] <teward> you have a scroll button, scroll up and see the link
[01:13] <crimsonmane> if you can't see everything, you can't make a proper decision, can you?
[01:14] <teward> if you could see everything you'd see a jumbled mess
[01:14] <crimsonmane> that's what sorting/filtering is for
[01:14] <teward> even then
[01:14] <crimsonmane> point is, there did not seem to be any way to produce a list of unanswered questions. motives aside.
[01:14] <teward> there are 1885 results from that search, but i'm limiting by language.  but remove that filter...
[01:14] <teward> and 2021 show for me
[01:15] <teward> I still don't understand why you want to see all the questions, but meh.
[01:15] <teward> https://answers.launchpad.net/questions/+questions?field.search_text=&field.sort=RELEVANCY&field.sort-empty-marker=1&field.actions.search=Search&field.language-empty-marker=1&field.status=OPEN&field.status-empty-marker=1
[01:15] <crimsonmane> yeah thanks for the "none" tip. but dont question peoples motives so much.
[01:15] <teward> (note that only shows OPEN questions, not things that need more information or have answers.
[01:15] <teward> ... if you took my statement as targeting your motives then perhaps you should instead consider it "confusion over your question"
[01:15] <teward> rather than your motices
[01:16] <teward> motives*
[01:16] <crimsonmane> i'm not going to get into a debate over semantics
[01:17]  * teward notices messages about packages in his PPAs failing to build, and investigates
[02:03] <dobey> crimsonmane: if you want to answer questions as a means of support, askubuntu.com might be a better place to look. i think most projects on launchpad don't actually use the "questions" feature there.
[02:04] <teward> dobey, yeah most don't.
[02:04] <teward> crimsonmane, i agree with dobey, if you want to get started with helping open source in Ubuntu, you should start at Ask Ubuntu, that's a general questions/answer site revolving around Ubuntu
[02:04] <dobey> crimsonmane: also, as an analogy to your previous statement about making a proper decision: you don't go and test drive every car ever made, when you want to buy a car, do you? :)
[02:04] <teward> and projects have their own question asking systems sometimes too,so Launchpad Answers isn't the best place to work with.
[02:05] <dobey> crimsonmane: best place to start contributing is with things that interest you personally
[02:05] <teward> dobey, bad analogy, I know five people who fit that scenario you posed.
[02:05] <teward> they do stick to specific model years, though, but still.
[02:06] <dobey> and a limited number of models i'm sure
[02:06] <teward> but yes, that's a good way to word the analogy :p
[02:06]  * teward shrugs
[02:06] <crimsonmane> actually i dont' like ubuntu. i use Mint. but I'm also a know-it-all. and finding things that interest me personally, IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO WITHOUT A COMPLETE LIST OF THINGS GOING ON. How sense can you possibly be? We went over this... almost twice.
[02:07] <teward> ...
[02:07] <crimsonmane> s/sense/dense
[02:07] <dobey> not as dense as you are rude
[02:07] <teward> ^ that
[02:07] <teward> it's rudeness that makes me appreciate behind-the-scenes bug triaging rather than talking to people
[02:07]  * teward goes off to do something that doesn't involve dealing with rude people
[02:08] <crimsonmane> it's easy to point at the first person who looses temper and say "you're the bad guy here" ... it is more difficult to look at yourself and realize how antagonizing you are.;
[02:08] <dobey> and pretty far from dense, since i've been doing this for 16+ years
[02:08] <teward> ^ that
[02:08] <teward> dobey knows what he's talking about, anyways, nginx FTBFSes to deal with... *disappears into the terminal*


[22:20] <slackner> is there currently some maintenance going on or has someone a better explanation why all my builds are failing? here is an example log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/200856732/buildlog.txt.gz
[22:20] <slackner> since about two days not a single build succeeded anymore
[22:21] <slackner> wgrant ^^^ you're there? ;)


[05:24] <pitti> jtaylor: yes, it is; but jenkins doesn't export it as an artifact unfortunately, we need to fix that in the job config
[06:57] <jibel> Good morning
[08:01] <DanChapman> good morning
[08:26] <smox> Hi,  I have an old bugreport which is not fixed correctly because I can't test the newer versions of ModemManager.  Now trusty will be shipped with ModemManager 1.* and the issue effects trusty too.  Now my questions, should I report this issue in a testing-tracker?  When yes, which (link) ?   Should I "reject" this bug to the ModemManager Team and when yes, how?
[08:27] <smox> Here is the Link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/1198283  I hope my english is good enough that everbody can understand me.
[12:45] <popey> elopio: (or someone else) do we have any AP experts who can help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1300450 ? ahayzen (music app dev) has taken a look, but is stuck, and it's blocking us being able to get music updated in the store..
[14:40] <pitti> jibel: the rmtree issue you pinged me about yesterday (or this morning?), is that bug 1300474 ?
[14:45] <jibel> pitti, yes, it is the same issue. It is because the exit handler is called twice
[14:45] <pitti> jibel: ack, thanks; fixing now
[16:31] <elopio> alesage: about https://code.launchpad.net/~allanlesage/unity8/autopilot-indicator-page-title-matches-widget/+merge/196991
[16:31] <elopio> did you agree with my suggestions from yesterday, or would you like to merge it as it is now?
[16:32] <elopio> popey: oh, sorry, I missed your ping
[16:32] <elopio> I'll take a look in some minutes.
[16:32] <popey> elopio: np, i asked robotfuel to take a look, dunno if he has had a chance yet
[16:32] <alesage> elopio if you don't mind I'd like to proceed now, and then I'll file a bug for the suggestion you made
[16:33] <robotfuel> popey: elopio I just started looking in to it.
[16:33] <elopio> robotfuel: ok, thanks.
[16:34] <elopio> alesage: ok. I'm taking a last look. I don't get this:
[16:34] <elopio> 181	+ self.wait_select_single('Indicators', fullyOpened=True)
[16:34] <elopio> why on the close indicator method you are waiting for it to be fully opened?
[16:34] <alesage> elopio egads you're right
[16:35] <alesage> elopio, one minute to fix pls
[16:35] <elopio> alesage: oh, the thing is that you are never calling close indicator.
[16:36] <elopio> I would remove that method. Code that's not used nor tested can become a headache.
[16:37] <alesage> elopio you make a good point, removing
[16:38] <alesage> elopio, pushed that, thanks :/
[16:39] <elopio> alesage: last detail while you are there, please turn get_indicator_widget and get_indicator_page into _get_indicator_widget and _get_indicator_page
[16:39] <elopio> so nobody outside of unity is tempted to use them.
[16:40] <elopio> I'll approve the branch.
[16:41] <alesage> elopio just verifying by running again thx
[16:47] <alesage> elopio, pushed that again thanks again
[16:57] <elopio> alesage: one last, sorry
[16:57] <elopio> 137	+from autopilot.input._common import get_center_point
[16:57] <alesage> yessir
[16:57] <elopio> you can do from autopilot import input. And then input.get_center_point()
[16:57] <elopio> no need to import _common.
[16:59] <alesage> elopio, done
[17:00] <elopio> alesage: ok, approved. Now you need to do this to get a review from the unity team
[17:00] <elopio> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/Checklists/Unity8
[17:01] <elopio> I'll do the review checklist.
[17:02] <alesage> ok elopio thanks, I may need some coaching here :)
[17:05] <elopio> alesage: I'm looking at your other branch for the visual ordering.
[17:05] <elopio> with the new scopes branch they changed the behaviour and I didn't notice.
[17:05] <elopio> instead of returning autopilot elements, this method should return a list of the names of the apps.
[17:07] <alesage> elopio, o hmm, doesn't that revert an earlier change to returning the autopilot elements?
[17:08] <elopio> alesage: I'm not sure I'm getting your question.
[17:09] <alesage> elopio, I noticed that in order to get this code working I had to shift from using names to using autopilot objects, is it true that they've reversed this change?
[17:09] <alesage> elopio, I'm surprised because I liked the 'returning autopilot objects' decision
[17:10] <elopio> alesage: if we follow the page object pattern, we should never return a UI element that the user can't see.
[17:10] <elopio> when the user is looking at the UI, what he sees are icons and application names. That's the only thing we should return.
[17:11] <alesage> elopio that's fair, although the 'tile' would be a kind of object for the user--maybe the idea would be just to hide all of the autopilot guts from them
[17:11] <elopio> alesage: that's precisely the idea.
[17:12] <elopio> the name of the test is test_get_applications_should_return_list_with_names
[17:12] <elopio> and they change it to return a list of autopilot proxy objects :(
[17:12] <alesage> doorbell brb
[17:14] <alesage> elopio ok hmm, well I'll adapt my test--do you know if that reversion is released?
[17:14] <elopio> alesage: no, I'm making a branch to revert that. It's a small one.
[17:14] <elopio> give me a couple of minutes.
[17:15] <alesage> elopio ok no hurry, I'll wait for your ping
[17:22] <elopio> alesage: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/revert_get_applications/+merge/213693
[17:24] <alesage> elopio, I wonder if this has effects elsewhere
[17:24] <elopio> alesage: just in the unity-click-scope tests.
[17:24] <elopio> without my branch, they are broken.
[17:25] <elopio> I need to put them on CI as soon as possible, so they can't get broken anymore.
[17:26] <alesage> elopio, ok weird, ok I'll test in a bit, must do an errand, then my branch will depend on this
[17:26] <elopio> alesage: yes, please add this as a prerequisite for yours.
[17:27] <alesage> elopio, ok more news a bit later
[17:27] <elopio> I'm going to leave in about two hours. So I might not have a chance to check it before tomorrow.
[17:54] <knome> somebody feels like working on a generic wiki page for r/zsync instructions for bug 1004558?
[19:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[19:22] <elfy> knome: I can do that
[19:24] <elfy> though I might wait till september so it's two years old :)
[20:00] <knome> elfy, hah
[20:06] <balloons> Letozaf_, howdy
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, I checked again the rssreader app error I had, and it's still there even if I branched rsssreader-app from trunk and put my tests back in, I commented the merge proposal
[20:11] <balloons> Letozaf_, you should push your code up :-)
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, If I push from the new branched reminders-app with my tests in I get a diverged branch error, so should I push on a new mp ?
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh really? you can supersede your mp if needed, so the comments stay in there
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! how do you do that ?
[20:19] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/tests-refactoring/+merge/213335/+resubmit
[20:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, when you do it, change the source branch to your new branch :-)
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok let me try, thanks
[20:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, lp:~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/test-view-mode
[20:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, cool, yep looks good
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, :P not really the test fails
[20:34] <balloons> running now
[20:38] <balloons> Letozaf_, do you  always get the tab index error?
[20:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes when I run that test on my desktop, never tried on device
[20:39] <balloons> Letozaf_, I see it only on the one test
[20:39] <balloons> shorts_app.tests.test_rssreader.TestMainWindow.test_remove_feed_and_topic
[20:39] <balloons> so I would reckon we should have a look at the test
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, no I get it only on this test: test_view_mode the others run fine
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, I mean if I run the other tests they do not fail, only the test_view_mode does and with the tab index error
[20:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, right.. I can confirm
[20:41] <balloons> so let's look at it quickly
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:41] <balloons> fails on and_topic
 so I would reckon we sh
[20:42] <balloons> shortsListModePage = self.main_view.get_tab_ListModePage()
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, yep
[20:43] <balloons> hmmm
[20:44] <balloons> get_current_tab() is an emulator bit
[20:44] <robotfuel> popey: I can't get the music-app to run in the emulator, I don't have an n4 to debug further.
[20:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:44] <balloons> elopio, you about?
[20:44] <popey> robotfuel: oh ☹
[20:45] <popey> balloons: if you have time, are you able to help robotfuel ?
[20:45] <popey> trying to get this music AP problem fixed
[20:45] <balloons> the one I can't reproduce?
[20:45] <balloons> I have a few moments sure
[20:45] <popey> well, its changed now
[20:45] <popey> andrew posted a patch which fixes one thing but now it fails differently
[20:46] <balloons> ok, how can I help?
[20:46] <balloons> Letozaf_, I'm playing around with working around the issue in the emulator
[20:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:46] <balloons> I think we should file a bug about it, and change the test if needed
[20:46] <popey> balloons: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1300450 is the bug
[20:47] <balloons> otherwise your tweaks work, and we should land them when the bug you reported is fixed
[20:47] <balloons> as right now, jenkins fails everything
[20:47] <balloons> popey, oO! right! did you hear back from Andrew on that?
[20:47] <popey> yeah, small patch, but it still fails, differently
[20:47] <balloons> he wasn't supposed to implement it that way
[20:48] <balloons> as in, there is a bug veebers has been working on to land support for properly selecting his custom object
[20:48] <balloons> how did this pass in jenkins I wonder?
[20:52] <balloons> Letozaf_, for your sanity. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191549/
[20:52] <balloons> Now, this is bad because it assumes the current Page is the first object returned.
[20:53] <balloons> But it's proof you can just use the parent to make the select work. Can you specify the tab any better?
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, haven't tried if you want I will try to see if I can find a way
[20:54] <balloons> Letozaf_, that will help you to land it if needed
[20:54] <balloons> anyways, everything else looks good.
[20:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, can you file a bug against the emulator for the issue though? Mention the branch and the test, so Leo can recreate the issue
[20:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+filebug
[20:55] <balloons> just mention it's the autopilot sdk helper
[20:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok was just doing that (reporting the bug)
[20:56] <balloons> popey, so looking at the report quickly it seems like Victor is thinking it's a timing issue
[20:56] <balloons> that is inline with the error being reported
[20:57] <balloons> I'll pull trunk and confirm/deny
[20:57] <popey> balloons: its possible
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, fyi bug 1301012
[21:01] <balloons> Letozaf_, perfect.
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am going to bed now I will try to fix the tests with a workaround tomorrow
[21:01] <balloons> Letozaf_, I think you can hold on the workaround
[21:02] <balloons> Letozaf_, until trunk for rssreader builds a proper deb package it can't land :-)
[21:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok so I will wait for the bug to be fixed
[21:02] <balloons> Letozaf_, and elopio should have a look
[21:02] <balloons> Letozaf_, but if he can't fix, then yes certainly workaround it and land it
[21:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, buona notte
[21:03] <balloons> Letozaf_, buona notte!
[21:10] <balloons> popey, it's interesting to note this test is very very similar to the play_pause_now_playing test
[21:14] <balloons> popey, I fixed it
[21:15] <popey> ♥
[21:18] <popey> you can have a vacation now ☻
[21:24] <balloons> popey, left an mp and comments.. cheers
[21:25] <popey> ok
[22:00] <knome> hey balloons
[22:02] <balloons> hey knome
[22:02] <knome> you might be interested in some bugs...
[22:02] <knome> bug 1300576
[22:02] <knome> bug 1035503
[22:02] <knome> O:)
[22:22] <balloons> knome, you fixed the yellow box bug?!
[22:22] <balloons> <3!
[22:22] <knome> haha, yep...
[22:22] <knome> two of those


[00:27] <manuel_> hola recien acabo de instalar xubuntu... y busco sugerencias para una mejor configuracion
[00:28] <Unit193> !es
[00:28] <manuel_> ok thanks
[00:35] <cubed_root> is the indicator plugin broken in 14?  the preference panel has an interface to allow for hiding or showing indicators, but they're not editable on my laptop
[00:36] <ochosi> cubed_root: yeah, there is a visual bug with that. i think you can click one indicator and then restart the panel and it *should* work...
[00:36] <ochosi> xfce4-panel --restart
[00:36] <cubed_root> sweet -- thanks
[00:37] <ochosi> np
[00:37] <cubed_root> that did it!
[03:23] <cubed_root> is there a cli command behind every app in the app launcher/menu?
[03:37] <holstein> cubed_root: maybe not a single command in any way
[03:38] <holstein> maybe more.. or a script.. or something else..
[05:39] <delt> hello
[05:40] <delt> how do i get rid of /dev/sdc sdd sde sdf sdg and so on after inserting and removing USB drives?
[05:52] <hoho> Hello. Would anyone happen to know how to use a virtual webcam? (i.e. have a fake webcam show up in things like pidgin)
[06:54] <odroid> hi all how are things
[06:54] <odroid> anyone here able to help me with a few things.
[06:54] <bekks> You have to state your problem first.
[06:54] <odroid> brought an odroid computer. comes with xubuntu as default os.
[06:55] <odroid> i am plugged into my led tv atm
[06:55] <bekks> And whats your question?
[06:55] <odroid> how to make menus, fonts icons bigger to read on other side of room
[06:56] <odroid> i have set resolution to 1080p and the font sizes etc seem to be to small you hve to be sitting to coose to the tv
[06:56] <odroid> *close
[06:57] <odroid> bekks,  you got some idea
[07:00] <bekks> In the settings, you can adjust that, I guess.
[07:14] <odroid> bekks, the >settings>window-manager proces is taking to long how to kill it.
[07:14] <bekks> odroid: How long did you wait?
[07:15] <odroid> 10-15 mins
[07:15] <odroid> not usual for quad core, 2gb ram is it
[07:21] <odroid> any ideas
[07:21] <bekks> Just use "xkill" to kill it.
[07:23] <odroid> bekkx they will kill the xsession
[07:27] <bekks> Thats expected when your xsession just diead.
[07:48] <james0r2> chromium doesn't seem to play nicely with the Greybird theme. like this for others?
[08:08] <odroid> hi all anyone know if the arm version of xubuntu is still maintained its on saucy still
[08:09] <odroid> #ubuntu
[10:14] <starrats> good morning everyone
[11:01] <xubuntu054> hi
[11:02] <xubuntu054> I would like to know how to resize my screan resolution
[11:03] <xubuntu054> i guess on board gpu driver its not installed
[11:04] <xubuntu054> I just reborned an old celeron notebook and installed xubuntu
[11:49] <xubuntu146> i need help about bootable usb
[11:55] <xubuntu146> i cant make a bootable usb drive. tried to universal usb installer it take an error message " an error occurred while executing syslinux"
[12:49] <cubed_root> how can i find the cli command behind an app in the app/launch menu?
[13:01] <brainwash> cubed_root: right click the menu button in the panel and select "edit menu", this should open the menu editor which displays the commands to start the applications
[13:01] <ElderDryas> cubed_root: If all else fails, you can always go to /usr/share/applications, open the .desktop file with a text editor and see what it says on the "Exec=" line.  There might be a much easier way, but I've never bothered to find out :)
[13:01] <ElderDryas> and what brainwash said....
[13:02] <brainwash> in 14.04 it looks like this http://i0.wp.com/smdavis.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Greybird_menulibre.png
[13:02]  * ElderDryas never had much luck with alacart and keeps forgetting that they have menulibre now :)
[13:06] <ElderDryas> kudos to whomever did the heavy lifting on that.
[13:07] <brainwash> bluesabre is the developer of menulibre
[14:10] <luciuxx> help, anybody italian?
[14:13] <luciuxx> paolo?
[14:13] <luciuxx> anybody italian????????
[14:13] <paolo> luciuxx: hi
[14:14] <luciuxx> italian, Paolo?
[14:14] <paolo> yes, does it matter?
[14:15] <bekks> !it | luciuxx
[14:16] <paolo> !help
[14:16] <paolo> does the bot has a documented syntax?
[14:16] <paolo> opps.. sorry for bad english ;)
[14:18] <bekks> paolo: Do you have an xubuntu support question?
[14:18] <paolo> not now
[14:21] <paolo> I installed xubuntu yesterday on lvm and I'm pretty satisfied, great os :)
[14:21] <paolo> I noted that some folders in ~ are owned by root
[14:21] <paolo> is it ok?
[14:22] <bekks> paolo: Which folders?
[14:22] <paolo> the folders are: .dbus and .gnome2_private
[14:23] <xubuntu588> salam
[14:23] <xubuntu588> help please
[14:23] <paolo> !help | xubuntu588
[14:23] <bekks> paolo: those folders are fine.
[14:24] <paolo> ok, thanks.
[14:24] <xubuntu588> for intel dual  amd bits
[14:25] <xubuntu588> for intel dual  amd bits or i380
[16:12] <EightThree> Hi
[16:12] <drc> hello
[16:12] <EightThree> auto login lightdm.conf is where?
[16:13] <EightThree> usually /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[16:13] <EightThree> i just wanna set auto login
[16:14] <EightThree> brb... ty all
[16:14] <drc> on my system (14.04) it looks like it is in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[16:18] <EightThree> really?
[16:18] <EightThree> i don't have it, kinda weird
[16:19] <EightThree> this fresh install off ubuntu net disk
[16:19] <drc> You don't have the autologin stuff or the file?
[16:19] <EightThree> let me google
[16:19] <EightThree> nope
[16:19] <drc> nope?  which nope?
[16:19]  * elfy is pretty positive it's all been changed :)
[16:19] <EightThree> file
[16:19] <elfy> drc: is your's an upgrade?
[16:20] <drc> elfy, no freah install about 3 hours ago :)
[16:20] <drc> s/freah/fresh/
[16:20] <drc> I did, however to the autologin on install.
[16:21] <elfy> drc: ok - and it added the stanza in that file?
[16:21] <drc> looks like
[16:21] <elfy> I've been trying to get my head around this for months lol
[16:22] <elfy> I've seen some people talk about adding it there - others say build a file in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/
[16:22] <elfy> anyway - this isn't helping EightThree - so I'll wander off
[16:23] <EightThree> i see now.
[16:23] <EightThree> /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --autologin username
[16:23] <EightThree> :)
[16:23] <elfy> shouldn't work - deprecated
[16:23] <woof-woof> The thumbnail stops after some time here... Any way to bring it back?
[16:24] <EightThree> ahh elfy u right
[16:24] <elfy> wish I wasn't :)
[16:24] <EightThree> i'm jus a noob learning
[16:24] <EightThree> i love auto-login, i gotta have it
[16:24] <EightThree> lol
[16:25] <drc> EightThree: Here's what I have in my /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file  http://pastebin.com/J1uHt20L
[16:25] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1307102/comments/4
[16:26] <EightThree> ok i think i know now
[16:26] <EightThree> /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-xubuntu.conf
[16:26] <EightThree> and just add a line
[16:26] <EightThree> gonna try it
[16:27] <EightThree> autologin-user=username
[16:30] <drc> EightThree: I have nothing autologin related in any of the files in /etc/lightdm except for lightdm.conf.  Try creating the file and copying what I pastbined and see if that works.
[16:35] <woof-woof> The thumbnail stops after some time here... Any way to bring it back?
[16:35] <drc> what thumbnail?
[16:38] <woof-woof> example: you have a image file on desktop, you can see the image content as its icon..
[16:38] <woof-woof> but this functionality stops/crashes and it didn't work after some time or thing happens...
[16:39] <drc> and if you login/reboot it works (until it stops again)?
[16:40] <woof-woof> Yes.
[16:41] <woof-woof> Then after some time it doesn't work anymore and when I press F5 to update the images have just the standard icon (thumbnail stopped).
[16:42] <drc> No idea :(  The only thing I can think of is to <rename> ~/.thumbnails, logout/in and see if it still happens.
[16:44] <woof-woof> The thumbnail system will always crash after some time.... I guess it is a bug.
[16:44] <woof-woof> I just don't know what makes it crash/stop.
[16:45] <woof-woof> I'm using 13.10.. Do you know if it is fixed in 14.04?
[16:45] <drc> If you're sure, file it ( http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#filing )
[16:45] <drc> Don't use desktop icons/thumbnails...maybe some one else?
[16:46] <woof-woof> I have no problem with icons... just the thumbnail of multimedia files (image/video/etc)
[16:47] <drc> you could search thru here to see if anyone else has reported it  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=thumbnails&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.ha
[16:47] <drc> s_no_package=
[16:48] <drc> wow :)
[16:48] <drc> http://tinyurl.com/ou33gh5
[16:49] <woof-woof> It is not critical to me..
[16:49] <drc> ok
[16:50] <cubed_root> how can i find the cli command behind an app in the app/launch menu?
[16:50] <woof-woof> I thought about disabling this feature forever as it uses a lot of space to store the thumbnails (space is critical here)... But I couldn't find a way to do it..
[16:51] <drc> cubed_root: didn't either of the two methods told to you earlier work?
[16:51] <starrats> good afternoon everyone
[16:52] <drc> woof-woof: Settings>Desktop  unclick show thumbnails.
[16:52] <woof-woof> cubed_root: /usr/share/applications/
[16:52] <drc> woof-woof: Settings>Desktop>Icons   Sorry
[16:53] <woof-woof> cubed_root: open the files in text editor, you'll find the command
[16:53] <cubed_root> thanks woof-woof
[16:53] <woof-woof> Thank you, drc!
[16:54] <woof-woof> I found it!
[16:54]  * drc thought that's what he told cubed_root a while ago?
[16:56]  * woof-woof wasn't here at that time.
[16:56] <drc> wasn't aimed at you woof-woof , at cubed_root :)
[16:57] <drc> oh, I was under a different nick :)
[16:57] <woof-woof> I know, I just didn't know that was asked before.
[17:05] <cubed_root> drc - you're right -- i didn't realize i had asked (because i was able to step out)  thanks brainwash and ElderDryas
[17:07] <drc> cubed_root: np...if you want to make changes to the .desktop, I'd copy it/them to ~/.local.applications and make the changes there. That way you don't mess up the original (and don't have to sudo :)
[17:07] <drc> ~/local/applications. that is.
[17:08] <cubed_root> yea, cool stuff.  this app-menu customizatioin is all new to me, although right now i just need the command that was being used for an application that wasn't starting for me
[17:09] <cubed_root> now that i have it i can see the error it's throwing -- progress
[17:09] <cubed_root> but the app menu stuff is cool -- i will definitely move stuff around in there
[17:10] <drc> yeah, like I said (as ElderDryas), I keep forgetting about the new menu editor.
[17:11] <cubed_root> yea it's pretty slick
[17:11] <drc> All hail bluesabre!
[17:13] <cubed_root> is that the developer?
[17:13] <drc> yes
[17:13] <cubed_root> cool, well done bluesabre
[17:16] <drc> The reason I keep forgetting about it is I have my ~/local/applications folder archived and when I have an install I just drop it in place.
[17:17] <drc> bbl
[18:55] <bluesabre> yay me? :)
[19:07] <xubuntu096> hello
[19:08] <xubuntu096> i need help istall skype for xubuntu 14.04 lts
[19:09] <Unit193> !partner | Enable the partner repo and you'll be set.
[19:09] <Unit193> !info skype-bin partner
[19:11] <starrats> xubuntu096 here is a link for you:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/450579/how-to-install-skype-in-xubuntu-14-04-lts-64-bit
[19:11] <xubuntu096> tnx
[19:37] <delt> anyone has any experience with bluetooth dongles such as this one? says "Linux and mac not supported" --- http://www.ebay.ca/itm/200978396537
[19:41] <drc> deit: Exactly what part of "Linux and mac not supported" is unclear?
[19:42] <drc> sorry... delt not deit
[19:43] <Azelphur> delt: why not buy one that is supported?
[19:43] <Azelphur> there are cheaper ones on ebay that work ootb
[19:44] <delt> available to Canada?
[19:44] <Azelphur> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bluetooth-dongle-Usb-2-0-Plug-And-Play-FREE-P-P-/251218302868? posts to worldwide, I bought this one and it worked ootb
[19:45] <Azelphur> pulled it out of my ebay history for you :)
[19:46] <Azelphur> so assuming they haven't swapped it out for a different adapter since I bought in Feb 2013, it should be fine
[19:48] <delt> thanks for the info :D
[19:48] <Azelphur> yw
[19:50] <Guido1> Hello, i need a quick data recovery. (easy and quick). I ahde a file "media.odt" in e specific folder on a partition. I moved the file to a different partition. on the new partition it got corrupted. so i would like to find it on the old location.
[19:51] <Azelphur> I hope you aren't using the machine the file is on, because if you are it could be overwritten at any time
[19:51] <Azelphur> first thing is to make sure that partition is unmounted
[19:52] <abortx> Hi
[19:52] <drc> abortx: hello
[19:52] <ochosi> !hi
[19:52] <Guido1> Azelphur: it's connected to the computer, but i do no changes to the partition
[19:53] <Guido1> Azelphur: okee, it's unmonted
[19:53] <Azelphur> Guido1: righto, besides that I've never done it so don't know, but figured I'd give you that information first, remember that any writes are bad (even logs and things like that) so best to have it unmounted till you have a plan of action.
[19:53] <abortx> I use Xubuntu 14.04 fresh install. Since my last updates Indicator Plugin keeps crashing. It seems to do with the application menu being added to indicator plugin (someyimes i see it just before it crashes)
[19:53] <ochosi> abortx: yeah, that one isn't supported and it's known to not work well
[19:53] <abortx> thanks ochosi and ubotto
[19:54] <ochosi> so removing it is the solution to your problem
[19:54] <abortx> the indicator plugin you mean?
[19:54] <Guido1> Azelphur: in the moment it is unmounted and i know the problem, but i need it soon again, because i need other files on it.
[19:55] <abortx> ochosi: i kinda need the plugin for wifi, cloudsync and other indicators
[19:55] <ochosi> oh
[19:55] <ochosi> abortx: application-menu != application indicators
[19:56] <ochosi> abortx: so which one do you have there?
[19:56] <abortx> When I add it to my panel it's called "Indicator Plugin"
[19:57] <ochosi> abortx: yes, but when you go to the properties of that plugin, which ones are listed there?
[19:57] <abortx> AH! ok, did not realize there where plugins..
[20:02] <abortx> I guess "Menu" could be the bad guy? I cannot 'switch it off'.  The other one that has something to do with menuitems is "StandardItems"
[20:03] <abortx> ochosi: and "configuration" is grayed out
[20:04] <abortx> ah, grayed out for Menu and StandardItems
[20:05] <abortx> ochosi: sorry, looking in BT plugis. Its difficult to grap the right-click for indicator plugin itself..
[20:09] <abortx> ochosi: okay, found my way via panel preferences and clicked on "hidden" @Application Menus". This worked. Sorry for my messy interaction!
[21:02] <ochosi> abortx: no problem, good you managed to fix it
[21:03] <abortx> ochosi: yes, thanks very much! :)
[21:58] <snuggyfoo> Anyone around that can help me out with a service/network issue?
[21:59] <snuggyfoo> I followed a guide for autoconnecting to a VPN and I didn't like how it worked so I tried to remove it, now I have no connection on my laptop after about 30 seconds
[22:17] <snuggyfoo> disregard it mysteriously began working
[23:25] <paolo> synaptic is hanging at this point for a long time now
[23:25] <paolo> https://imgur.com/cmr6MGz
[23:25] <paolo> i'm uninstalling steam
[23:26] <paolo> any way to terminate the process without damage the package database?
[23:30] <paolo> nvm
[23:43] <HiDeHo> Hi all got an error on boot "system-udevd [1579]: error calling EVIOCSKE: invalid argument" i cant get logs as i cant boot.


[02:34] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r497 Add theming for workspace switcher (libwnck)... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[02:34] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r498 Regenerate css for previous commit... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[07:28] <flocculant> ochosi:ok - I'll give it a whirl later then :)
[07:30] <flocculant> never actually managed to get all plugins to show up, which might be a deal breaker on herre
[07:33] <ochosi> using the configure flags from xfce-test will help with that
[07:35] <flocculant> ochosi: can't see any flags there - assuming you mean the schuellerf thing
[07:35] <flocculant> anyway - too early for this :p
[07:39] <ochosi> flocculant: https://github.com/schuellerf/xfce-test/blob/master/Dockerfile#L60
[07:39] <ochosi> three lines of flags ;)
[07:40] <flocculant> ochosi: thanks :)
[07:57] <ochosi> np
[07:57] <ochosi> lemme know whether it works as expected
[07:58] <flocculant> yep - will do, playing in vm currently while I drink enough tea for a few hours :p
[07:58] <flocculant> oh ok ... exo-2 not found - will have to carry on later :)
[08:10] <flocculant> \o/ killed the vm now - I suspect that's nothing to do with panel master :)
[09:52] <ochosi> haha, yeah, probably not
[09:52] <ochosi> it's not a know VM killer
[09:57] <Unit193> Installing libexo-2-dev and pkg-config seems happy with it.
[12:31] <flocculant> mmm something is definitely up
[12:32] <flocculant> best just make sure it's not some other issue before I accuse xfce4-panel of actually being a vm killer :D
[12:47] <flocculant> oh
[12:51] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 : so - new vm - updated ok, added gtk3 ppa and now no desktop, purged ppa and get a desktop
[12:51] <flocculant> which is bizarre because same ppa on hardware and have a desktop ;)
[12:52] <Unit193> 0_o
[12:52] <Unit193> Can you say what upgraded?
[12:52] <Unit193> Mmmm, xfce4-settings is my guess.
[12:53] <Unit193> garcon has been there since the beginning and couldn't really do that, xfwm4 and xfsettingsd are the only ones that might cause oddness.
[15:51] <flocculant> Unit193: upgraded everything from gtk3 ppa except -settings and xfwm4, booted fine, did settings - booted fine, did xfwm4 and poof
[15:55] <flocculant> bluesabre: ^^ weirdnesses
[16:17] <flocculant> ochosi: ./autogen.sh --enable-debug --enable-maintainer-mode --host=x86_64-linux-gnu \ --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu \
[16:17] <flocculant> sigh
[16:17] <flocculant> ochosi: configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --enable-gtk3 :)
[16:21] <flocculant> so have panel from master in vm and locally now - locally I have xfwm4 from gtk3 ppa and it's fine, vm refuses to have anything to do with that gtk3 ppa version *shrug*
[19:31] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - exactly what do we have xfceish that's gtk3 in iso? or - do we have new gtk3 things since 16.10 release?
[22:15] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:15] <bluesabre> flocculant, so new xfwm no good for you?
[22:18] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[22:18] <Unit193> Stupid systemd..
[22:18] <ochosi> fwiw, i just compiled xfwm4 from git master here and it works just fine
[22:18] <ochosi> Unit193: what did it do now?
[22:19] <bluesabre> ochosi, hiya
[22:19] <bluesabre> notifyd? :D
[22:19] <bluesabre> 4.13 def works here from what I can tell
[22:19] <bluesabre> but I think we are considering the latest 4.12.x
[22:19] <ochosi> oh right, notifyd
[22:19] <Unit193> ochosi: Eh, nothing new.  Just the thing where it'll try to endlessly start lightdm, so you can't get to a TTY.
[22:20] <Unit193> ochosi: Also, you try xfwm in VM?
[22:20] <ochosi> no, i hardly use vms
[22:20] <Unit193> ...And boot option 'text' doesn't work, nice.
[22:21] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'll see how far i get with the release now
[22:23] <Unit193> ochosi: He had an issue only in VM.
[22:27] <ochosi> ah ok
[22:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, notifyd release done
[22:35] <knome> hello people
[22:36] <ochosi> can i now go back to fixing GtkCalendar..?
[22:36] <knome> ;)=
[22:37] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-notifyd 0.3.6 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-notifyd-0-3-6-released-tp49023.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:48] <Unit193> I'll get there eventually, the Core iso was a bit old so have a lot of updates to do too. :P
[22:48] <slickymaster> https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+merge/320437 ← knome
[22:49] <knome> will look in a tiny bit
[22:49] <slickymaster> knome, just bumped the version and add the rewording flocculant suggested
[22:49] <knome> aha
[22:50] <slickymaster> don't expected anything major
[22:50] <knome> so should we have a sprint with it then?
[22:50] <slickymaster> tbh, we don't really have that much, if any, new to add
[22:50] <knome> mhm
[22:50] <slickymaster> I think we should proceed with a major revamp on the next LTS
[22:51] <knome> yep
[22:51] <knome> best start working on it early :P
[22:51] <slickymaster> there's, of course, the mascot graphics you'll have to deal with
[22:51] <knome> ugh.
[22:53] <slickymaster> ytou already saw this knome? → http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/ubuntu-17-04-mascot-logo
[22:53] <knome> nope
[22:54] <slickymaster> I don't dislike that origami mouse
[22:54] <knome> yep
[22:54] <slickymaster> kinf of reminds me your first approach to our/xfce mouse
[22:54] <slickymaster> back in 14.04
[22:54] <knome> or at least one of them :P
[22:54] <slickymaster> yes
[23:01] <knome> bah, now i need to go listen to some classical
[23:03] <knome> yeah, the merge proposal is very simple :P
[23:05] <knome> merged and pushing
[23:05] <knome> and pushed
[23:05] <slickymaster> yes, but we can't keep perpetually rewriting the same text
[23:05] <bluesabre> ochosi, thanks!
[23:05] <bluesabre> bbabl
[23:05] <knome> of course not
[23:06] <slickymaster> any way, that computer made want to listen the goldberg variations
[23:06] <knome> lol
[23:06] <slickymaster> + me
[23:12] <krytarik> I have spotted two things though: "Try Ubuntu", and "Xubuntu and it's users"
[23:15] <knome> slickymaster: fwiw, "sudo apt install gir1.2-webkit-3.0"
[23:16] <slickymaster> ack knome
[23:16] <slickymaster> thanks
[23:16] <knome> np
[23:16] <knome> krytarik, does the button say "Try Xubuntu" now? :P
[23:17] <slickymaster> thnaks for spotting those krytarik
[23:17] <krytarik> knome: ..Did it before, and that was changed recently?
[23:18] <knome> i don't think it always did at least
[23:31] <knome> slickymaster, let's put it here as well... i'm thinking we might want to update the contribute slide
[23:32] <knome> also re: the animal artwork, what if we just did something along the wallpaper for the last slide?
[23:32] <slickymaster> https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+merge/320438
[23:32] <knome> you have seen the new wallpaper, right?
[23:32] <slickymaster> ↑ knome to correct those two erros krytarik spotted
[23:32] <knome> oki
[23:33] <slickymaster> I don't think I have seen it, knome
[23:35] <knome> https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/wall-1704/final.png
[23:35] <slickymaster> oh that I have
[23:35] <slickymaster> it's in the zesty box I have at work
[23:35] <knome> yeah so
[23:36] <knome> maybe do something like that
[23:36] <knome> and pass the animal art
[23:36] <slickymaster> I like it, it's my type of minimalistic
[23:38] <knome> fixes pushed
[23:39] <slickymaster> great, thanks knome
[23:39] <slickymaster> krytarik ↑
[23:39] <slickymaster> even though I'm sure he's lurking in attention :P
[23:40] <knome> yep, surely
[23:43] <Unit193> Is apt-add-repository supposed to work?
[23:44] <knome> yes?
[23:46] <Unit193> OK.


[11:25] <vibhav> CAn anybody tell me why cant I upolad my packge to my PPA?
[11:25] <vibhav>  Uploading xbill_2.1-1_source.changes: 1k/2k550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 1, u'General error')", "(7, 1, u'General error')", "(7, 1, u'General error')"] : Permission denied.
[11:25] <vibhav> Note: This error might indicate a problem with your passive_ftp setting.
[11:25] <vibhav>       Please consult dput.cf(5) for details on this configuration option.
[11:38] <lifeless> vibhav: it should have uploaded fine; did you get a confirmation mail ?
[11:39] <vibhav> lemme see
[11:39] <vibhav> Rejected:
[11:39] <vibhav> Unable to find distroseries: unstable
[11:39] <vibhav> Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error.
[11:40] <lifeless> righto - thats a different (and actual) issue
[11:40] <lifeless> the gpg warning is a false positive, there is a bug for it :(
[11:40] <vibhav> ok
[11:40] <vibhav> lifeless: Is there any issue on my side?
[11:41] <lifeless> yes, you you need to fix your changelog to upload to a real series
[11:42] <vibhav> why?
[11:42] <vibhav> what is the problem?
[11:42] <lifeless> ubuntu has no series 'unstable'
[11:42] <lifeless> thats a debian series
[11:43] <vibhav> o
[19:31] <treaves> Any shane of a vas team member around?
[19:32] <treaves> vas I mean.
[19:32] <treaves> One more time: vas .:)
[19:32] <treaves> Hm...
[19:32] <treaves> something thing is changing my text.
[19:32] <Resistance> try separating the chars, if you have autocomplete
[19:32] <treaves> :)
[19:32] <treaves> v c s
[19:32] <treaves> Much better.
[19:32] <Resistance> ah its colloquy on mac
[19:32] <Resistance> yeah it has evil autocorrect
[19:33]  * Resistance runs xchat on linux over a ZNC so... :P
[19:33] <treaves> Ya, I run chat on my linux box at work.
[19:33] <treaves> And, another correction...
[19:33] <treaves> ;)
[19:33]  * Resistance knows what you meant
[19:33] <Resistance> you should be able to disable that somehow... no clue how though since i'm not a mac user
[19:34]  * Resistance is a hardcore Ubuntu / Debian user
[19:34] <treaves> Oddly, this is the first time in the several years I've been using Colloqut that I've been annoyed by it.
[19:34] <Resistance> :P
[20:17] <zooko> Folks: I'm trying to get this launchpad project https://bugs.launchpad.net/~zenoss linked to the real bug tracker.
[20:18] <zooko> Mail to the email address of the person listed as administrator bounced back.
[20:18] <zooko> What's the next step?
[20:18] <Resistance> that's a team not a project
[20:18] <Resistance> teams cant have a bugtracker tied to them, iirc
[20:18] <zooko> Oh, sorry, I can't tell the difference and I keep getting the wrong one.
[20:19] <Resistance> https://launchpad.net/zenoss
[20:19] <Resistance> this?
[20:19] <zooko> But, the project on launchpad that has to do with zenoss -- that thing doesn't have a link to the zenoss issue tracker.
[20:19] <zooko> Yes.
[20:20] <Resistance> well do you want a link provided...
[20:20] <Resistance> or are you trying to basically merge your bugtracker's bugs into lp?
[20:20] <zooko> I'm not a dev on upstream either.
[20:21] <zooko> Just a helpful meddler.
[20:21] <zooko> I'd like to be able to open a ticket on launchpad that references both zenoss bugs and bugs in other projects.
[20:21] <zooko> I think the way to do that is to get launchpad to be aware of the zenoss trac.
[20:22] <Resistance> well i'm not sure what you want to do
[20:22] <Resistance> basically...
[20:22] <Resistance> you're asking for some type of integration between your trac and LP's bug systems
[20:22] <Resistance> i'm not entirely sure that's possible in the manner you're describing
[20:22] <Resistance> rather...
[20:23] <Resistance> h..
[20:23] <Resistance> hmm...
[20:23] <Resistance> actually...
[20:23] <Resistance> i *might* have a suggestion... but i'm not sure how you'd set this up...
[20:24] <Resistance> configure bug tracker... "Register an external bug tracker"
[20:24] <Resistance> specify "Trac"
[20:24] <Resistance> and put in all the relevant info
[20:24] <Resistance> unless of course you did that :P
[20:24] <Resistance> but i'm not sure it'll work in the manner you want it to :/
[20:33] <treaves> I'm migrating a project to LP from an svn server.  I have the project setup and the initial trunk imported, but, how do I stop the recurring import?  I now want to use bzr exclusivly.
[20:33] <treaves> .
[21:42] <dobey> zooko: i think you need to ask a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[22:16] <lifeless> zooko: Resistance has it right, register a tracker, type trac etc
[22:17] <Resistance> heh, i never actually did it though, i was working off of an example project i dumped onto qastaging :P
[22:17] <Resistance> just to get to the interface
[22:18] <dobey> lifeless: you can't do that though, if you don't own/drive/maintain the project, no?
[22:19] <lifeless> two separate things
[22:19] <lifeless> a) create tracker
[22:19] <lifeless> b) link to project
[22:19] <lifeless> a) anyone can do and is all that is needed to do bug watches
[22:20] <dobey> lifeless: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zenoss says otherwise?
[22:21] <lifeless> thats project tasks, (b)
[22:21] <dobey> that is what zooko is asking how to do
[22:22] <lifeless> that was his first question, but not what he wants to do
[22:22] <lifeless> '09:21 < zooko> I'd like to be able to open a ticket on launchpad that references both zenoss bugs and bugs in other projects.
[22:22] <lifeless> '
[22:22] <lifeless> that just requires (a)
[22:23] <dobey> that is only part of what he was wanting
[22:26] <lifeless> we are clearly interpreting the transcript differently. Shrug.
[22:27] <dobey> he wants to be able to mark bugs as also affecting zenoss (project tasks), but have those be bug watches on upsteream (basically the same way https://launchpad.net/twisted works)
[22:27] <dobey> and to do that, one must configure the bug tracker on the project
[22:28] <dobey> afaict, the only people with perms to do that are the project owner/maintainer/(maybe driver)/real lp admins (not ~registry)
[22:29] <lifeless> that is correct
[22:29] <zooko> So let me be more specific, because I also don't understand what I want in launchpad terms.
[22:29] <zooko> What I want in my own terms is:
[22:30] <zooko> 1. open a ticket saying, for example "zenoss v1.2.3 is incompatible with pypy v3.2.1" and then be able to observe updates to that ticket by both zenoss developers and pypy developers, without polling two different sites.
[22:30] <zooko> I do this all the time with launchpad. It's one of the best things about launchpad.
[22:30] <zooko> 2. Have people who for some reason stumble across zenoss within launchpad get directed to the upstream zenoss issue tracker so they can report bugs there.
[22:31] <dobey> *whre* is the upstream zenoss tracker, exactly?
[22:31] <lifeless> 1) needs my (a) above (and only a); 2) needs (b) above and for that you will need to open a support ticket
[22:31] <zooko> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/
[22:32] <dobey> lifeless: what does "create tracker" mean?
[22:32] <zooko> lifeless: if I understand what (a) is, then I tried to do that already. So probably when I proceed to open a ticket in launchpad I can click "I already have the upstream ticket URL" and paste it in from dev.zenoss.org/trac, right?
[22:32] <zooko> But I can't navigate to zenoss in launchpad and then click on "bug" and then either create a ticket or follow links to the upstream trac, as that would be (b)?
[22:33] <zooko> I'm happy to open a support ticket for (b) unless there's some reason not to.
[22:34] <lifeless> dobey: just trying to find the url...
[22:35] <lifeless> dobey: zooko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+newbugtracker
[22:35] <lifeless> fill that out; that is (a)
[22:35] <dobey> how did you even get to that? :)
[22:36] <lifeless> zooko: then supply the url of the tracker in LP when you file the support ticket asking it to be set as the tracker for zenoss
[22:36] <lifeless> dobey: its linked from the 'configure bug tracker' project form, but it is standalone
[22:36] <dobey> ah
[22:37] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers lists them all
[22:38] <dobey> lifeless: so i guess we were saying the same thing before, but the UX makes it confusing to discuss, if you don't know things like that :)
[22:39] <lifeless> confusing UI/UX in LP? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
[22:40] <dobey> heh
[22:43] <zooko> Hm, yes I definitely did this +newbugtracker thing for dev.zenoss.org/trac a few days ago.
[22:43] <zooko> I wonder why it doesn't appear in .../bugtrackers then.
[22:59] <lifeless> zooko: it should be :)
[23:00] <zooko> sigh
[23:01] <zooko> I'll do it again!
[23:03] <lifeless> zooko: you didn't do it on staging or something?
[23:04] <zooko> lifeless: huh, I just did it again, and it gives me this error: zenoss-trac is already in use by another bugtracker.
[23:04] <zooko> lifeless: I don't know what "staging" is... :-)
[23:04] <lifeless> ahh! its there then. Just need to find it :)
[23:04] <zooko> Gotta go play Magic: the Gathering with my son... :-)
[23:04] <zooko> bbiab
[23:05] <lifeless> anyhow, any zenoss bug urls you put in comments hsould generate watches for you now.
[23:27] <Alison_Chaiken> I'm getting a "permission denied" error with my first package upload to a new repo on launchpad.    I'm uploading from an Ubuntu 11.10 VM.    I'm using the command "dput ppa:myppa/ppa package_version_source.change"
[23:27] <Alison_Chaiken> and am told "good signature on package.dsc."
[23:27] <Alison_Chaiken> Then I get messages that dsc, orig.tar.bz1, debian.tar.gz and source.changes are uploading.
[23:28] <Alison_Chaiken> Then I get a message that the changes file is not properly signed!
[23:28] <Alison_Chaiken> But I've just been told "Checking signature on .changes" and "gpg: Good signature."
[23:29] <Alison_Chaiken> Perhaps the "good signature" messages are local and the "Permission denied" is from the server.
[23:29] <Alison_Chaiken> I just had to change my gpg on the launchpad server, but now my account page shows the right one.
[23:30] <Alison_Chaiken> Maybe the key change will take a way to propagate through the launchpad system, and I just have to try again later?
[23:30] <wgrant> Alison_Chaiken: "good signature" is indeed local.
[23:30] <wgrant> Give it a few minutes and see if you get an email back
[23:30] <Alison_Chaiken> I have a pretty standard dput.cf
[23:30] <wgrant> It may have worked anyway.
[23:31] <Alison_Chaiken> Ah, I have an email saying, "Unknown section Embedded."
[23:31] <Alison_Chaiken> Before I had "Embedded software", two words with a space, and got a message that that was illegal.
[23:31] <Alison_Chaiken> So I tried Embedded, just one word.
[23:32] <Alison_Chaiken> Do I need Embedded\ software  or "Embedded Software" (*with* quotes) in debian/control?
[23:32] <wgrant> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[23:32] <wgrant> That lists the legal sections.
[23:32] <Alison_Chaiken> Thanks wgrant, I will RTFM>
[23:32] <wgrant> "At present, they are:"
[23:33] <Alison_Chaiken> Hmmm, so maybe it's embedded, not Embedded?
[23:34] <wgrant> Correct.
[23:34] <Alison_Chaiken> BTW, I want login = anonymous in dput.cf even though I have an account?
[23:35] <wgrant> Right, FTP uploads are anonymous. The OpenPGP signature is used for authentication. You can also upload over authenticated SFTP using https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading, but that still requires an OpenPGP signature.
[23:36] <Alison_Chaiken> Thx, I'll try again with embedded.
[23:49] <Alison_Chaiken> Should I expect my package to show up on m ppa page if the CLI says the upload was successful, or does it take a while to refresh even if I reload the page?
[23:51] <wgrant> Alison_Chaiken: upload are only processed every 5 minutes.
[23:52] <wgrant> If it's signed properly, you'll get an acceptance or rejection email at that time.
[23:53] <Alison_Chaiken> Yep, I got an acceptance email about one of 'em: woot!   Been working on this for a week, supposed to be at a New Year's Party . . . anyone wonder why I'm 49 and single?