[00:14] <lifeless> nick125: there is an 'integrating with bzr' wiki page btw
[00:15] <beuno> nick125, http://bazaar-vcs.org/Integrating_with_Bazaar
[00:15]  * nick125 is reading
[00:43] <nick125> Does bazaar have some way to push via HTTP with something like a CGI script?
[00:46] <nick125> That's one of the main things that I liked about mercurial (one of the things I didn't like about mercurial was the random data corruption that would occur when you would use two different mercurial versions)
[00:47] <mwhudson_> nick125: there is some support for smart behaviour over http, yes
[00:47] <mwhudson_> i'm not sure how useful it is yet
[00:48] <lifeless> nick125: bzr+http
[00:49] <nick125> *looks*
[00:49] <nick125> lifeless: Do you happen to have a link?
[00:52] <lifeless> its in the docs
[00:53] <lifeless> on an http url bzr 1.4 will autodetect bzr+http if its available
[00:57]  * nick125 looks at the big "THIS IS EXPERIMENTAL AND INSECURE" notice
[00:57] <nick125> hmm
[00:57] <spiv> That notice is gone in bzr.dev.
[00:58] <lifeless> spiv: call ?
[00:58] <mwhudson_> spiv: i hope that means its secure now :)
[00:58] <lifeless> poolie is organising office stuff; I have offered to be the teddy bear de jour
[00:59] <spiv> lifeless: sure
[00:59] <nick125> What other ways exist to push with bzr without SSH?
[00:59] <lifeless> bzr+http
[00:59] <lifeless> ftp
[01:00] <lifeless> wedbav
[01:00] <lifeless> any vfs
[01:01] <bob2> ssh/sftp seem to be the most mature and simplest, tho
[01:06] <lifeless> oh yeah, sftp too :P
[01:06] <lifeless> but sftp kinda needs ssh :)
[01:06]  * nick125 is kind of leary about giving random people SSH access to his server
[01:07] <LeoNerd> You can create sftp-only accounts
[01:07] <LeoNerd> You set the shell to something special. sftp doesn't actually use a shell anyway, it's a different subsystem of ssh
[01:08] <nick125> LeoNerd: So I can set the shell to /bin/false (or something like that), and sftp would still work?
[01:08] <LeoNerd> Um.. possibly. I don't know the details, I just know it's possible
[01:09] <jdong> nick125: I think that's roughly correct. OpenSSH's sftp subsystem in recent versions can even set up a chroot to restrict where they may navigate to
[01:09] <jdong> nick125: on my secured shells recently, I've been utilizing Apparmor profiles to provide restricted access. this can also be an acceptable option
[01:09] <lifeless> nick125: you can even use a virtual SFTP server e.g. the conch one or I think paramiko has one too
[01:10] <nick125> hmmm
[03:01]  * nick125 sets up bazaar and paramiko
[03:02] <poolie> hello
[03:02] <poolie> welcome nick125
[03:02] <nick125> hiya poolie
[03:06] <nick125> So, paramiko is a sftp server that doesn't require users to have shell access?
[03:18] <nick125> blah
[03:19] <nick125> I'm trying to figure out how to get a centralized repository that people will push and pull from...I don't think I want to do a shared repository, since I have a bunch of devs that want to work offline.
[03:21] <Odd_Bloke> nick125: A shared repository is just a performance and storage enhancement, it doesn't affect your workflow.
[03:21] <nick125> Unless I'm misunderstanding the concept of shared repositories (it sounds to me that a shared repository keeps the history on the server)
[03:21] <lifeless> nick125: shared repositories simply allow multiple branches to use a single shared history db
[03:21] <lifeless> nick125: does not affect offline/branches/etc
[03:22] <nick125> Ahh.
[03:22] <nick125> The documentation makes it sound like that it stores the entire history on the server and only leaves a local copy.
[03:23] <lifeless> which docs in particular ?
[03:23] <nick125> the centralized workflow one
[03:23] <nick125> I probably misread it.
[03:23] <lifeless> (what you describe is what lightweight checkouts do)
[03:23] <lifeless> an orthogonal feature
[03:27]  * nick125 hates having to come up with names for projects
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #213172 in bzr ""bzr status" output problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213172
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #213182 in bzr "TestLockDir.test_35_wait_lock_changing is timing-dependent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213182
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #213184 in bzr "'conflicting tags' could be more helpful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213184
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #213185 in bzr "tag conflicts do not change exit code" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213185
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #213186 in bzr-gtk "gannotate broken with bzr.dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213186
[04:33]  * mwhudson wtfs
[04:33] <mwhudson> reality check please:
[04:34] <mwhudson> am i right that it's pretty strange that "cd a; bzr merge ../b" gives conflicts in different files to "cd b; bzr merge ../a" ?
[04:35] <mwhudson> (with --lca)
[04:36] <mwhudson> though the conflicts are different with merge3 too
[04:37] <mwhudson> (some of the conflicts look totally bogus too)
[04:38] <Odd_Bloke> LCA has an edge case which it doesn't deal with, but I can't remember what it is...
[04:46] <poolie> mwhudson: unless there are working tree changes it does sound strange
[04:46] <mwhudson> i guess i'll just send abentley a mail, given that this is an issue with two launchpad branches
[04:46] <poolie> i don't think it's guaranteed that they're symmetrical
[04:47] <lifeless> poolie: it should be; we walk back to a single lca
[04:47] <mwhudson> i guess i'll send the mail to the internal list then :)
[04:48] <abentley> Odd_Bloke: The edge case is that it fails to detect a conflict when one side deletes lines and the other side changes them to something else.
[04:49] <abentley> mwhudson: Please do.
[04:50] <bitmonk> hi, so like, i installed bzr and bzr-svn packages in ubuntu, but am having trouble branching an svn repo. the documentation is rather light in the bzr-svn wiki, any pointers?
[04:50] <abentley> I can tell you, it's been frustrating over the years to get reports of strange merge behavior with Launchpad branches, and not be able to do anything about it.
[04:50] <mwhudson> (there is some criss-cross merging around)
[04:50] <mwhudson> abentley: i'm sure
[04:51] <bob2> bitmonk: "bzr branch svn_url blah" - do you get an error?
[04:51] <bitmonk> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: svn+https://svn.plone.org/svn/archetypes/Archetypes/trunk
[04:51] <bitmonk> same for https://
[04:51] <mwhudson> hm
[04:51] <bitmonk> indeed.. i haven't had it working for a while, but got it working from source a couple times on my mac or something..
[04:51] <bitmonk> i have had it working, so i have a rough memory of what works..
[04:52] <lifeless> abentley: just think, now you can dig all those reports up and analyse them :)
[04:52]  * mwhudson finds himself wondering if there is a way of restricting 'bzr viz' to revisions touching a particular file
[04:52] <abentley> lifeless: yay!
[04:53] <abentley> lifeless: Have you had seen bug 212908 ?
[04:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212908 in bzr "fetch all from a repo with identical contents fails with pack repos" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212908
[04:54] <spiv> mwhudson: that would be lovely feature
[04:54] <spiv> mwhudson: I don't think it exists yet, sadly.
[04:55] <abentley> Since VersionedFiles can provide a Graph, it shouldn't be hard now.
[04:55] <abentley> Because viz is now using Graphs.
[04:57] <lifeless> abentley: are your two statements to me related?
[04:58] <abentley> lifeless: No.
[04:58] <lifeless> abentley: I've seen that bug, I presume you had a plugin or something to trigger it?
[04:58] <bob2> bitmonk: does 'bzr plugins' show svn listed?
[04:58] <abentley> Reconfigure triggers it.
[04:58] <lifeless> oh, ok.
[04:58] <abentley> At least in my new patch, it does.
[04:59] <abentley> But we have also occasionally seen reports of the same error in the wild.
[04:59] <lifeless> I can guess at the cause; its really a LBYL avoidance optimisation
[04:59] <abentley> So this may be the cause of them.
[04:59] <mwhudson> oh, i think the different merge results with --merge3 were because of unknown files or something
[04:59] <bitmonk> bob2: yessir
[04:59] <lifeless> abentley: rather than checking keys exist in packs, we copy them when we are asked too. By design multiple packs can have the same key.
[05:00] <abentley> This isn't a key-level problem-- it's a file-level problem.
[05:00] <bob2> bitmonk: hm, dunno then - try asking on the mailing list, I guess
[05:00] <abentley> It comes from trying to create a file in a pack that already has a file with the same name.
[05:00] <lifeless> abentley: thats a key level problem
[05:00] <lifeless> abentley: the name is the checksum of the .pack
[05:00] <bitmonk> bob2: will do, no hurry i s'pose
[05:01]  * mwhudson sends a mail
[05:01] <lifeless> abentley: it means we've copied the exact same data in twice.
[05:01] <abentley> Are you saying the filename of a pack is its key?
[05:01] <lifeless> (or got a md5 collision)
[05:01] <mwhudson> fortunately, it's not actually a real problem for me, the bogus seeming conflicts are trivial
[05:02] <abentley> No, I think you're forgetting that fetch with no argument ids doesn't copy contents, it copies files.
[05:02] <abentley> So if the source file has foo.pack, the target file has foo.pack, regardless of the keys inside it.
[05:03] <abentley> I mean source repo, target repo.
[05:03] <lifeless> abentley: one sec, talking with poolie
[05:04] <abentley> So it's all about what the names of files in a repo are, not what their contents are.
[05:05] <abentley> (Now of course, we would *hope* that the repository is not corrupt, but that's not actually relevant...)
[05:06] <lifeless> InterPackRepos.fetch does not copy files
[05:06] <lifeless> when revision_id is None, it does self.source.all_revision_ids()
[05:07] <lifeless> why are you saying we copy files ?
[05:07] <lifeless> line 2726 of repository.py in bzr.dev
[05:09] <bob2> bitmonk: does http:// work?
[05:10] <bitmonk> good question, trying
[05:12] <abentley> I have line 2758
[05:13] <abentley> ubotu: paste
[05:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:13] <abentley> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62385/
[05:14] <abentley> lifeless: ^^
[05:14] <lifeless> abentley: that is consistent with my analysis
[05:14] <lifeless> abentley: packers copy contents not files
[05:15] <lifeless> abentley: when revision_id is None, revision_ids becomes the source's all_revision_ids() set
[05:16] <lifeless> abentley: but like I said, we don't try to eliminate duplicate revisions because that is costly and unneeded.
[05:16] <abentley> My apologies if I misunderstood.
[05:16] <lifeless> abentley: this is simply an expected md5 collision: we are copying the same content to a repository that has that content laid out the same way in a .pack. The right thing to do is to complete bug #
[05:16] <abentley> It looked as though it was copying the source's all_packs(), not their contents.
[05:17] <abentley> Bug # ?
[05:18] <AfC> There is no bug number. That's part of the bug :)
[05:18] <lifeless> I can see the confusion :)
[05:18] <lifeless> I'm looking it up
[05:18] <lifeless> lp is slow
[05:19] <lifeless> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/165293
[05:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 165293 in bzr "collisions through uploading same-named .pack files not handled correctly" [High,Confirmed]
[05:20] <lifeless> fetch with no revision_id parameter should be extremely rare - limited to upgrade in fact
[05:20] <lifeless> why does reconfigure use it ?
[05:21] <abentley> lifeless: It is deleting a repository.
[05:21] <abentley> So it fetches all the contents into a new repository.
[05:22] <lifeless> right
[05:22] <lifeless> as a backup ?
[05:23] <lifeless> and is it doing it twice for some reason ?
[05:23] <lifeless> (we can't filter on all_revision_ids() here, because if you need _all_ data you need signatures for absent revisions, inventories with no revisions etc.)
[05:24] <abentley> Because the new repository is going to be used for the branch from now on-- e.g. a heavyweight checkout being converted into a lightweight one, or a standalone tree being converted into a sharing tree.
[05:25] <lifeless> so when you say new repository, do you mean 'existing other repository' ?
[05:25] <abentley> yes.
[05:25] <lifeless> ok
[05:26] <abentley> So the test cases set up two repositories with identical content.
[05:26] <abentley> And then reconfigure itself does the fetch()
[05:26] <lifeless> fixing the md5 collision handling to not error on collisions with identical content will fix this bug
[05:26] <lifeless> but reconfigure in this case will be overly slow
[05:26] <abentley> If you fix it or in general?
[05:27] <lifeless> the cause  of the error is a situation we expect to encounter, but rarely
[05:27] <lifeless> and is not an error when it happens, we just currently group it with actual errors.
[05:27] <lifeless> however, copying a *lot* of data that we do have will be slow
[05:28] <lifeless> pack repos allow keys to be duplicated in different .pack files because that allows better concurrency when two people write to a repository at the same time
[05:32] <lifeless> testing a workaround for you
[05:35] <lifeless> abentley: try this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62387/
[05:38] <abentley> lifeless: that fixes my test case.
[05:40] <abentley> Reconfigure tests pass too, with my workaround removed.
[05:45] <lifeless> abentley: cool
[05:55] <lifeless> OperationalError: ('(OperationalError) database is locked', <bound method Root.index of <bundlebuggy.controllers.Root object at 0x8ed078c>>) u'SELECT mergerequest.id AS mergerequest_id, mergerequest.date AS mergerequest_date, mergerequest.summary AS mergerequest_summary, mergerequest.branch_location AS mergerequest_branch_location, mergerequest.head_revision AS mergerequest_head_revision, mergerequest.text_type AS mergerequest_text_type,
[05:55] <lifeless> *sorry*
[05:55] <lifeless> I had no idea it was that long; I imagine IRC truncated it but still
[05:56] <poolie>  /kick lifeless :)
[05:57] <lifeless> spiv: whats up with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:57] <lifeless> poolie: http://bundlebuggy.aaronbentley.com/request/%3C1207267732.5960.150.camel@lifeless-64%3E
[06:07] <bitmonk> bob2: still no love with http:// :/
[06:09] <lifeless> spiv: u have a review
[06:09] <spiv> lifeless: thanks
[06:10] <spiv> lifeless: so you just think s/list/tuple/ in that?
[06:11] <lifeless> If that passes tests yes.
[06:11]  * spiv nods
[06:11] <lifeless> you'll need to change the code obviously as you can't mutate the tuple once you make it
[06:11] <lifeless> so list(thing)
[06:11] <lifeless> ...
[06:11] <lifeless> new = tuple(correct_options0
[06:12] <lifeless> spiv: calling it orig_options is confusing too; so perhaps options = list(self....)
[06:12] <spiv> Ok, makes sense.
[06:12]  * spiv finds out if tests pass
[06:49] <poolie> spiv it looks like you should merge<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:50] <spiv> poolie: yeah, it's on my radar.  lifeless just pinged me about that earlier :)
[09:26] <jamesh> hi fog
[09:27] <fog> hi james
[11:50] <luisbg> how do I unlock a branch?
[11:50] <spiv> "bzr break-lock"
[11:51] <luisbg> it seams to be in the host
[11:51] <luisbg> Unable to obtain lock lp--1228238676:///lock
[11:51] <luisbg> held by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on host vostok [process #25367]
[11:51] <luisbg> :(
[11:54] <james_w> luisbg: hi
[11:54] <luisbg> hey james_w
[11:54] <james_w> you want to run "bzr break-lock sftp://whatever"
[11:54] <luisbg> ok
[11:54] <luisbg> let me see
[11:54] <james_w> unfortunately with launchpad you may need to run this a few times.
[11:56] <luisbg> a lot
[11:56] <luisbg> still stuff locking it
[11:57] <luisbg> done and pushed after like 10 runs
[11:57] <luisbg> :)
[11:57] <luisbg> thanks!!
[11:57] <james_w> no problem.
[12:18] <dato> what was the command providing --custom revision format?
[12:18] <dato> the thingie that is recommended instead of $Expansion$
[13:06] <ignas> how do i get a branch for some specific revision using bzrlib?
[13:06] <ignas> without making a checkout preferably
[13:07] <ignas> i want to pass the result as "other" to branch.missing_revisions
[13:15] <pickscrape> Hi, I've encountered a bug in bzr+svn that I think I can fix myself. Could anyone point me at any docs on bzr+svn hacking?
[13:15] <pickscrape> (i.e. which tree to work against, where/how to email a merge request/patch etc)
[13:17] <bob2> the bzr svn page on the wiki at least has some of that information
[13:18] <pickscrape> It links to three branches (trunk, 0.4 and 0.3), doesn't say which to use to hack on, shows how to run the unit tests, and where to raise bugs
[13:22] <ignas> emm, why is revision_tree method of a tree
[13:22] <ignas> "not implemented" but not marked as such in the docs
[13:23] <ignas> it always raises an error (at least that's what code says)
[13:23] <ignas> but has an elaborate docstring
[13:23] <ignas> that leads one to think that the method does somethingh
[13:25]  * ignas had this idea that using bzrlib would make listing of all the new changes since some revision easier than using bzr from the command line...
[13:30] <spiv> ignas: there will be a subclass that implements th\at
[13:30] <spiv> ignas: although most classes don't tend to be constructed directly, you usually get them by calling methods on repository/branch/etc.
[13:31] <ignas> yeah, that's what i tried doing
[13:32] <ignas> tree.revision_tree("revision-I-want")
[13:33] <bartzitz> hello, i have a central repository (remote server), and i need to run a hook (shell script) on that server after each commit. how do i do this?
[13:34] <ignas> so - how do I list all the changes in a branch since some revision?
[13:34]  * ignas looked at show_log and it is a little bit complicated
[13:34] <bartzitz> ignas: bzr log -r<revno>..
[13:35] <bartzitz> ignas: -v will show modified files as well
[13:35] <ignas> i need it not including the revno
[13:35] <ignas> which is why i tried using bzrlib to do that
[13:35] <bartzitz> ignas: maybe i haven't got what are you trying to do?
[13:36] <ignas> i need a list of all the changes since some tag (only new revisions) listed on a web page
[13:36] <ignas> at the moment i am using popen to run "bzr missing"
[13:37] <ignas> but that requires making a checkout from the tag
[13:37] <ignas> which makes the operation kind of slow
[13:38] <bartzitz> ignas: bzr log -r tag:<your tag>..
[13:38] <ignas> includes the revision that was tagged as well
[13:40] <bartzitz> ignas: hmm, no ideas for now
[13:40] <bartzitz> ignas: do you know how to set up a hook on a remote shared repo?
[13:41] <ignas> nope
[13:41] <ignas> why would i want to do that?
[13:41] <bartzitz> ignas: i need it :)
[13:41] <ignas> oh ;)
[13:41] <bartzitz> ignas: just asking
[14:00] <ignas> is there an easy way to perform actions on bzr log messages using bzrlib?
[14:01] <ignas> i want all the log messages since some revision
[14:01] <ignas> in some data structure
[14:01] <ignas> and the only thing i could find that does something like that was show_log function, but it's way too complicated for what I want
[14:01] <ignas> and outputs stuff into stdout from what I can see, instead of giving me a list
[14:02] <dato> ignas: I think revision objects have a .message attribute
[14:03] <ignas> ok, how do i get all the revision messages since some revision?
[14:04] <ignas> or does revision_history() return them ordered ?
[14:04] <james_w> ignas: yes, revision_history is ordered
[14:06] <ignas> and how do i get a revision object from a revision_id?
[14:08] <pickscrape> Is there a way to resume a bzr checkout operation that has died?
[14:09] <spiv> ignas: repo.get_revision
[14:09] <spiv> ignas: where 'repo' is a Repository, e.g. from Repository.open('path/to/repo'), or from branch.repository.
[15:33] <pickscrape> Anyone know how to resume a failed checkout operation?
[15:36] <james_w> pickscrape: "bzr pull" may be able to do it, I think it depends when it failed.
[15:38] <pickscrape> Bingo. :) I had to specify the URL of the svn repository again, but it appears to be working fine.
[15:38] <pickscrape> Thanks for that.
[15:38] <pickscrape> My bzr-svn fix appears to have worked too. Anyone know where I should email the bundle containing the fix to?
[15:39] <jelmer> pickscrape: please send it to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:39] <pickscrape> Will do.
[15:40] <pickscrape> jelmer: should the patch be against 0.4 or trunk?
[15:40] <jelmer> pickscrape: 0.4 please
[15:40] <jelmer> pickscrape: just "bzr send" should Do The Right Thing[tm] if you have bzr >= 1.3
[15:41] <pickscrape> I guessed right then :)
[15:41] <pickscrape> Just making sure my name etc is configured right for the commit.
[15:41] <ignas> where can I find example of how to change 1 file and commit it to a branch using bzrlib without having a checkout
[15:42] <ignas> if that's possible
[15:42] <ignas> oh and tagging, yes, tagging
[15:43] <james_w> I don't think you can do it without a checkout
[15:43] <james_w> at least not easily.
[15:43] <ignas> where can i read about the hard way?
[15:43] <james_w> I doubt you can I'm afraid
[15:43] <ignas> because i am already doing it with bzr co + shell script
[15:44] <james_w> I'd have no real idea how to do it, I'd just know that you probably have to write a CommitBuilder, or perhaps somesort of Tree.
[15:44] <ignas> i can see the CommitBuilder object
[15:45] <ignas> but where do i find the information on how to use it
[15:45] <james_w> I don't know I'm afraid.
[15:45] <ignas> all my attempts at googling for this stuff end up in unrelated mailing list posts or bug reports ...
[15:46] <jelmer> ignas: It should be possible by obtaining a CommitBuilder from the branch you would like to commit to
[15:46] <jelmer> ignas: and then calling the methods on the object that is returned to you
[15:46] <ignas> yeah, have that
[15:46] <ignas> the methods are not very obvious
[15:46] <ignas> i think "cb.new_inventory" is what i need
[15:47] <ignas> but i am not really sure
[15:47] <jelmer> ignas: Basically the idea is you call record_entry_contents() for each entry in the inventory
[15:47] <jelmer> ignas: (even the unchanged ones)
[15:48] <jelmer> ignas: then, call modified_file_text() / modified_link() / modified_directory() for each entry that was modified
[15:48] <jelmer> ignas: then commit(message)
[15:49] <ignas> modified_file_text is a method of what?
[15:49] <jelmer> commitbuilder
[15:49] <ignas> hmm, can't see it
[15:50] <ignas> python prompt is giving me attribute not found on it
[15:50] <jelmer> ignas: Ah, looks like that's been removed
[15:51] <ignas> i see
[15:52] <ignas> is there some place i can read about it? or did no one ever tried doing that before?
[15:52] <ignas> how do you do such things in tests? or do you just modify the tree that you have checked out?
[15:53] <jelmer> ignas: Please ignore me, it looks like modified_*() has been removed
[15:53] <jelmer> ignas: Ah, you have to pass in a tree to record_entry that commitbuilder will get the text from
[15:53] <jelmer> ignas: or something that has a get_file_text() method
[15:54] <jelmer> ignas: lifeless and I wrote CommitBuilder a couple of years back, afaik there is no documentation (yet)
[15:55] <ignas> :D
[15:55] <ignas> not like you had time ;)
[15:56] <jelmer> (-:
[16:00] <ignas> so i should get a basis_tree, use some bzr magic to modify versions.txt.in in there, iterate through it's inventory and pass all the entries to CommitBuilder.record_entry_contents, passing that new tree as the tree parameter?
[16:01] <jelmer> ignas: yep
[16:01] <pickscrape> jelmer: Patch sent.
[16:02] <ignas> jelmer: thanks, i'll try ;)
[16:06] <jelmer> pickscrape: Any chance you can also add an entry to NEWS and a test in tests/test_svk.py ?
[16:07] <pickscrape> Oh, sure.
Should I uncommit my change then, do the additional changes and then recommit?</bzr-newbie>
[16:08] <jelmer> pickscrape: no, you should be able to just commit on top of your current commit
[16:08] <pickscrape> OK. Figured you might prefer a 'cleaner' history, but I can do that.
[16:09] <pickscrape> Was the method used appropriate or are there cleaner ways of doing it?
[16:10] <jelmer> pickscrape: I mainly care about the cleanless of the mainline history. No matter how many revisions you commit, there will only be one merge commit on mainline for your changes.
[16:11] <pickscrape> Ah, I get you.
[16:11] <jelmer> pickscrape: In other words, "bzr log" will show one merge commit and your commits indented below that
[16:12] <jelmer> pickscrape: The change itself looked fine
[16:55] <pickscrape> jelmer: I'm having trouble with the test. it's written, but when I try to run it I get "NameError: global name 'parse_svk_features' is not defined"
[16:56] <pickscrape> jelmer: Muppet alert (ignore me).
[17:03] <ignas> jelmer: i have managed to retrieve the content of the file, but how do I change it?
[17:03] <ignas> i have the branch, the tree, and the entry
[17:04] <ignas> or must I create a new entry instead?
[17:10] <jelmer> ignas: When you call record_entry_contents set ie.revision to None
[17:10] <jelmer> (see the docstring of record_entry_contents())
[17:15] <ignas> hmm, still not sure about it, i mean - it seems that record_entry_contents takes the new content using tree.get_file(ie.file_id)
[17:15] <ignas> my question is - how do I put the new content into the tree
[17:18] <ubotu> New bug: #213425 in bzr "push over sftp crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213425
[17:19] <pickscrape> jelmer: Further patch with NEWS entry and unit test added.
[17:22] <jelmer> ignas: You have to override get_file() somehow
[17:22] <ignas> oh
[17:24] <Peng> The bug from that bug is running as root? :X
[17:24] <jelmer> pickscrape: Thanks, merged :-)
[17:26] <pickscrape> Sweet. :)
[17:33] <ignas> jelmer: hmm if I try record_entry_contents on the entry i get a "file already under version control" error
[17:33] <ignas> because the file path is the same
[17:33] <ignas> and it tries to add the entry to the new_inventory
[17:35] <ignas> i kind of assumed that when you record the root entry all the sub entries get added recursivelly, but it seems that the assumption was wrong too
[17:36] <Peng> bzrlib/osutils.py is lazy-importing functions. Isn't that a no-no?
[17:38] <abentley> Peng: no, that's usually okay.
[17:39] <abentley> Functions are usually called, not used like variables.
[17:40] <abentley> The first time you call a lazily-loaded function, the real function is substituted.
[17:40] <abentley> If you happened to pass the function as an argument, that would be more of an issue.
[17:43] <lamalex> Hey, if I've got a working tree with changes that aren't in the main branch, will bzr pull overwrite what I've got?
[17:46] <jelmer> ignas: and you're adding it with the same file id?
[17:46] <ignas> no, i god an error about the id being in the inventory already
[17:46] <ignas> so  i tried changing the id
[17:54] <asabil> lamalex: no, if there are any conflicts they will be reported
[17:54] <Peng> jelmer: I've got another bzr-svn traceback for you. :) http://paste.pocoo.org/show/38420/
[17:55] <Peng> jelmer: Latest bzr-svn 0.4 and bzr.dev as of 5 minutes ago.
[17:55] <jelmer> Peng: the 0.4 branch is b0rked at the moment
[17:55] <Peng> jelmer: "bzr svn-import http://svn.pyyaml.org/". Trying to branch an individual, err, branch also fails around the same place.
[17:55] <Peng> jelmer: Heh, ok.
[17:55] <Peng> jelmer: Was it borked on the 1st?
[17:55] <jelmer> Peng: yep, has been broken for a couple of days
[17:56] <Peng> jelmer: Nice. Ok.
[17:56] <jelmer> Peng: I added a warning message a couple of hours ok
[17:56] <jelmer> s/ok/ago/
[17:56] <Peng> The "experimental" warning?
[17:56] <jelmer> yep
[17:56] <Peng> But that's always been there. :P
[17:57] <jelmer> I occasionally add or remove it
[17:57] <Peng> So, should I downgrade?  Trying to push a branch to a ssh repository: `bzr push bzr+ssh://myuser@myserver:6114/path/to/repo` returns an error: bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: bad protocol marker "error\x01Generic bzr smart protocol error: bad request u'bzr request 2'\n"
[18:31] <panosl> googling doesn't bring anything up
[18:32] <james_w> panosl: what's the version of bzr on the remote end?
[18:33] <ligemeget> Hi all, when I try 'bzr merge' in the relevant folder (to update from the main branch) I get an error which says: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy/.bzr/repository/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[18:33] <ligemeget> What does that mean?
[18:33] <panosl> 0.11 (ubuntu server), and my end is 1.2 (leopard)
[18:34] <james_w> ligemeget: you are using a checkout of a branch over http, which you are not allowed to write to.
[18:34] <jelmer> panosl: This is the bug that's fixed by bzr 1.3.1
[18:34] <james_w> ligemeget: do you know if you did a lightweight checkout?
[18:34] <ligemeget> james_w: Yes I did
[18:35] <ligemeget> to save time - I didn't need any history
[18:35] <james_w> jelmer: is it? I thought that was over http.
[18:35] <panosl> Only updating my end?
[18:35] <panosl> I can't update the server software
[18:35] <james_w> ligemeget: ok, you probably want the switch command
[18:35] <ligemeget> james_w: 'bzr switch'?
[18:35] <jelmer> james_w: Oh, ok. I thought it was meant to fix errors like this as well
[18:36] <jelmer> panosl: Looks like I'm wrong
[18:36] <james_w> ligemeget: bzr switch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:36] <james_w> (assuming your lp username matches your IRC nick)
[18:36] <james_w> jelmer: it looks like the remote end doesn't understand the request.
[18:37] <james_w> panosl: I think you need to upgrade the version on the remote end, I'm not positive though.
[18:37] <ligemeget> Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,<IP_ADDRESS>' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[18:37] <ligemeget> Permission denied (publickey).
[18:37] <ligemeget> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[18:38] <james_w> ligemeget: have you given launchpad your ssh public key?
[18:38] <ligemeget> james_w, ehh... I'm not sure..
[18:39] <ligemeget> yes, my profile https://launchpad.net/~lhademmor lists an SSH key
[18:39] <james_w> ah, did you replace your username in the command I gave you?
[18:39] <gioele> hi
[18:39] <ligemeget> yes
[18:40] <james_w> ligemeget: ok, does "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>work?
[18:40] <james_w> hi gioele
[18:41] <ligemeget> james_w: no. Permission denied (publickey).
[18:41] <gioele> how short is the bzr release cycle? launchpad shows a 1.5 branch and a 1.4rc release
[18:42] <james_w> ligemeget: ok, is your ssh key at ~/.ssh/id_rsa or ~/.ssh/id_dsa or something else?
[18:42] <james_w> gioele: one month
[18:42] <james_w> 1.4rc isn't released yet, I think it's just someone planning ahead.
[18:43] <ligemeget> apparently none of those two. I have no idea where it is
[18:46] <james_w> ligemeget: it's probably named something else in ~/.ssh
[18:46] <james_w> if you can find it I can tell you how to make ssh use it automatically.
[18:46] <gioele> ligemeget: ~/.ssh/identity?
[18:47] <dato> ligemeget: what happens if you run ssh-add?
[18:47] <ligemeget> dato: nothing
[18:48] <ligemeget> There is only ~/.ssh/known_hosts in there
[18:49] <dato> ligemeget: and how did you obtain the fingerprint you placed in your launchpad page?
[18:50] <ligemeget> dato, I can't remember actually - it must be a long time ago
[18:50] <dato> well, how about generating a new key then?
[18:51] <gioele> is there a way to rebuild the bzr documentation? the online docs are scarce and outdated
[18:52] <ligemeget> dato, fine. How do I do that?
[18:52] <dato> gioele: they... are? I thought they were rebuilt nightly or something (http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org)
[18:52] <james_w> ligemeget: ssh-keygen
[18:53] <dato> ligemeget: /win 24
[18:53] <dato> er, no :)
[18:53] <ligemeget> james_w: "Enter file in which to save the key (/home/mp/.ssh/id_rsa):" - what do I enter?
[18:53] <james_w> just hit Enter, if you use the default everything will fall in to place.
[18:54] <ligemeget> passphrase?
[18:54] <ligemeget> (should I enter one or not)
[18:54] <james_w> yes, you should really.
[18:55] <gioele> dato: I mean the API: http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/bzrlibapi/
[18:55] <ligemeget> james_w, okay I've generated a key. What do I do now?
[18:56] <gioele> My week of hacking has been a pain, so few functions are documented
[18:57] <dato> gioele: ah, sorry. dunno who's responsible for that, sorry.
[18:57] <gioele> and the few documented functions do not document the type of the input parameters and of the return values
[19:00] <james_w> gioele: I think it's mwhudson_ who created those.
[19:00] <james_w> ligemeget: you need to tell launchpad about it.
[19:01] <james_w> ligemeget: https://launchpad.net/~lhademmor/+editsshkeys
[19:30] <ligemeget> james_w, done
[19:35] <ligemeget> Still can't merge though..
[19:39] <james_w> ligemeget: you did the switch?
[19:39] <ligemeget> yep
[19:39] <ligemeget> it said something about switching to branch ssh+bzr or something
[19:40] <james_w> bzr+ssh:// hopefully.
[19:40] <james_w> can you "bzr update"?
[19:41] <james_w> ligemeget: ah, hang on, which branch are you trying to merge?
[19:41] <james_w> this may be a bug, if the URL in the error message is the branch that you are merging from then it is a bug.
[19:41] <james_w> if not then it is the problem that I thought.
[19:43] <ligemeget> james_w, well I was trying to update ubuntu-doc (the Ubuntu Documentation) as a whole (hardy branch I think)
[19:43] <james_w> ligemeget: what was the command you ran originally?
[19:45] <ligemeget> james_w, 'bzr merge'
[19:45] <ligemeget> (from the relevant directory of course)
[19:46] <james_w> ok, can you tell me what the branches listed at the bottom of "bzr info" are?
[19:46] <james_w> or, what saved branch it told you it was using.
[19:48] <ligemeget> bzr info gives 'Location:
[19:48] <ligemeget>   light checkout root: .
[19:48] <ligemeget>    checkout of branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:48] <ligemeget> The same as in the errormessage except that ~ has become %7E
[19:49] <james_w> ok, what was the branch you were a checkout of before, do you know?
[19:49] <james_w> I fear I may have lead you up the garden path as I didn't think through what was causing the error.
[19:49] <ligemeget> ...I'm not sure I understand that last question
[19:53] <james_w> what was the URL you used originally when you ran "bzr checkout"?
[19:58] <ligemeget> I never ran bzr checkout
[19:58] <ligemeget> or what
[19:58] <ligemeget> wait
[20:00] <ligemeget> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc <-- the hardy one listed on this page
[20:19] <lamont> hrm... what was the magic test to see if bzrtools is non-b0rked?
[20:38] <james_w> lamont: you mean upgrades on hardy?
[20:39] <lamont> I mean on the dapper/edgy backports I just built
[20:39]  * lamont found 'bzr shelve' :)
[20:43] <james_w> ah, ok
[20:44] <james_w> "bzr selftest bzrtools" is pretty good too.
[23:10] <phanatic> jelmer: ping
[23:10] <jelmer> phanatic: pong
[23:11] <phanatic> jelmer: may i pm you?
[23:11] <jelmer> phanatic: sure, always :-)
[23:19] <phanatic> jelmer: did you get my lines?
[23:39] <jelmer> sorry was busy with some other stuff


[01:07] <darthanubis> so far so good
[01:07] <roasted> I had an update break some webapps in 14.04. Then I got new updates a day later and they work.
[01:08] <roasted> <3 updates (sometimes, that is)
[01:08] <darthanubis> chromium seemed to stop rendering properly
[01:08] <darthanubis> the who gui not the websites
[01:08] <darthanubis> still does it
[01:09] <darthanubis> double click the titlebar of chromium
[01:10] <darthanubis> ok, double-click ANY window
[01:33] <roasted> pop, lock, na na na
[01:48] <JBViewerr_007> wow,
[01:48] <JBViewerr_007> look at all this chatter...
[01:50] <JBViewerr_007> So, I installed onto a USB drive.  (not live environment, but actual install)
[01:51] <JBViewerr_007> the whole thing is nice, slick, fun, good looking
[01:52] <JBViewerr_007> hello, ejuan
[01:52] <ejuan> hey
[01:56] <JBViewerr_007> As I said, I tried the install today and I like it
[01:57] <JBViewerr_007> the laptop lid-close-suspend thingy didn't work, but I'm OK for now
[02:01] <JBViewerr_007> hello
[02:02] <JBViewerr_007> did anybody else get kicked out of the main room?
[02:04] <JBViewerr_007> apparently, I still might be in the wrong room.
[02:05] <JBViewerr_007> I wanted to talk about Ubuntu, but
[02:05] <JBViewerr_007> in the UBUNTU room, you're not allowed ??
[02:05] <JBViewerr_007> there is a separate ubuntu-off-topic room.
[02:06] <JBViewerr_007> so, if you're jazzed up about the upcoming release, DO NOT GO TO THE UBUNTU CHAT ROOM!
[02:09] <Stanley00> JBViewerr_007: each channel has its own topic, you must read the topic before talking in a channel.
[02:10] <JBViewerr_007> thank you, my irc ettiquette is awful
[02:23] <JBViewerr_007> so, big happenings at the 14.04
[02:25] <JBViewerr_007> hey, not so loud!
[02:26] <JBViewerr_007> *smiley*
[02:34] <nf7> Is there a way to get the mouse to disappear when typing like it does in Windows and OS X?
[02:37] <JBViewerr_007> Hi. I'm going to try it out real quick..
[02:38] <JBViewerr_007> My mouse pointer stays active too
[02:41] <nf7> JBViewerr_007: It's just kind of annoying to me cause there's no point for it to be active, and every other OS I've ever used makes it disappear.
[02:45] <JBViewerr_007> I'm sure that I've seen that setting before, but I didn't see it in 14,04.  - then again
[02:45] <JBViewerr_007> then again, I've only been using it for one day.
[02:45] <nf7> JBViewerr_007: Yeah I could have sworn that I've seen the setting before as well...
[02:46] <JBViewerr_007> Also, my susped-when-the-laptop-is-closed feature didn't work.
[02:46] <JBViewerr_007> I'm sure there is a work-around for it, but it didn't work earlier today...
[02:47] <nf7> JBViewerr_007: Strange. What brand of computer do you have? My Linux machine is a Lenovo Thinkpad, I don't think I've ever run across a single incompatibility on any distro ever.
[02:48] <JBViewerr_007> sony vaio - it works OK in my #!, so I know that it can be done
[02:49] <nf7> great
[02:49] <nf7> is that brand good for Linux in general?
[02:51] <JBViewerr_007> I don't know, but it does work in other distros as well as in 12.04.
[02:51] <trism> bug 16492
[02:51] <trism> not that I've ever really noticed the mouse while typing
[02:56] <nf7> Ah so it is a bug
[02:56] <nf7> I'm in the IRC client irssi, a terminal program. When the mouse is in the terminal, it disappears as soon as I start typing, but not if the mouse is out and about (like on the desktop).
[02:57] <trism> more of a feature request although it does work in certain situations from the comments...when I type in gedit it disappears and when I type in the chrome bar or in gnome-terminal
[02:57] <nf7> It's not really a big deal though, I just thought I'd ask if anyone had figured out the option to disable it, I thought I was overlooking it or something;.
[02:58] <JBViewerr_007> when I tried it out in Libre Office and in here (just an Opera tab), it definitely stays on
[03:00] <JBViewerr_007> but in the terminal, sure enough it goes away
[03:11] <JBViewerr_007> hey, len
[03:12] <len> hi
[03:14] <JBViewerr_007> hi, basketball
[03:15] <JBViewerr_007> I've isssues with my laptop-suspend, but otherwise am enjoying my first day with 14.04
[03:16] <basketball> JBViewerr_007,  please dont ping random people
[03:26] <JBViewerr_007> ?huh?
[03:27] <JBViewerr_007> all i said was hij
[03:27] <JBViewerr_007> hij=hi
[03:31] <basketball> JBViewerr_007,  ok well high
[03:32] <JBViewerr_007> what do you-all think of 14.04 so far? (not allowed to talk about it in the main #ubuntu yet)
[03:34] <JBViewerr_007> took me a while to install Opera, had to first install gdebi
[03:36] <darthanubis> it aint ready
[03:36] <darthanubis> some rendering issues
[03:43] <JBViewerr_007> me, I'm not sure if some of these features were there in v.13 or not, so it is mostly positive for me.
[03:43] <JBViewerr_007> hey, and the menus are back in the window where they belong! so, there is that.
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> did someone test trusty on a nexus7 yet?
[04:44] <JBViewerr_007> hi, everyboody
[04:48] <holstein> lotuspsychje: download and test on what you like
[04:48] <holstein> !touch
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> holstein: yes tnx ive tested touch on my nexus7
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> holstein: but wanted to know if desktop version could work too?
[04:49] <holstein> lotuspsychje: download it and try
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> i might when trusty releases :p
[04:50] <rww> holstein: are there instructions for doing that somewhere? it sounds entertaining
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> there is touch support on trusty desktop right?
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> rww: there was a 13.04 desktop to nexus tutorial, but that project is dead i think
[04:51] <holstein> lotuspsychje: nothing about linux or ubuntu 14.04 is preventing any touchscreens from working
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-touch did not work flawless for me, so im stuck to insecure android grrr
[04:52] <holstein> rww: i would think you would need the ARM version, though, for that device, i would use the os designed for it
[04:54] <holstein> if i wanted a linux tablet, i would try and buy one.. should be some coming from system76 soon
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> interesting
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> HP got an ubuntu laptop launched aswell ive read
[05:07] <JBViewerr_007> I was going to buy a used Nexus 4 to try it out, but that fell through.  Maybe it will come to a Kindle Fire? Those are getting pretty cheap (used) around here.
[06:09] <michagogo|cloud> 1:10:20 <k1l_> john_rambo: run sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[06:09] <michagogo|cloud> Not apt-get?
[06:09] <michagogo|cloud> And, full-upgrade? I thought it was do-release-upgrade
[06:10] <rww> !info apt trusty
[06:10] <rww> michagogo|cloud: "apt" is a command now. And do-release-upgrade is a whole different thing
[06:10] <rww> full-upgrade upgrades /within/ the version. do-release-upgrade upgrades to a new release
[06:11] <michagogo|cloud> What's the difference between apt and apt-get?
[06:11] <michagogo|cloud> rww: that isn't dist-upgrade?
[06:11] <rww> michagogo|cloud: read the manpages
[06:11] <rww> they're different frontends to the same thing, like aptitude is
[06:12] <michagogo|cloud> Aptitude?
[06:12]  * michagogo|cloud doesn't use Ubuntu much (if you couldn't tell :-P)
[06:13] <michagogo|cloud> I'll do some googling when I'm at my computer, I guess
[06:13] <rww> mhm
[06:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:38] <hyde> I just observed Firefox failing to restore previous tabs.
[07:39] <hyde> even though Edit->Preferences->General Startup option says it should open last tabs and windows.
[07:41] <AtuM> I'm running into problems considering openvswitch package.. its dkms doesn't get built.. the make.log says: version newer than 3.12.x is not supported
[07:43] <AtuM> here it is..https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+bug/1266749
[07:44] <AtuM> due to this bug I cannot get my workstation fully upgraded to 14.04.. I am stuck with the 3.11 kernel
[07:44] <jpds> AtuM: Isn't openvswitch built into trusty's kernel?
[07:46] <AtuM> jpds, what would I need to do to to make that work
[07:46] <jpds> AtuM: Comment #1 seems to suggest that it's in the in-tree kernel.
[07:46] <AtuM> when upgrading the kernel, dkms gets built..
[07:47] <jpds> AtuM: $ grep VSWITCH /boot/config-3.13.0-24-generic
[07:47] <jpds> AtuM: Remove the DKMS package.
[07:47] <jpds> AtuM: And just sudo modprobe openvswitch ?
[07:49] <AtuM> jpds, will try this.. it'll take a while since I need to reinstall the kernel
[07:50] <AtuM> jpds, do I just change CONFIG_OPENVSWITCH=m to CONFIG_OPENVSWITCH=n  ?
[07:51] <jpds> AtuM: No.
[07:51] <jpds> AtuM: I'm just showing you that openvswitch is compiled as a module in the Ubuntu kernel.
[07:51] <AtuM> jpds, that config is for building kernel.. it would make no sense :) how do I remove dkms?
[07:51] <jpds> AtuM: sudo apt-get remove --purge openvswitch-datapath-dkms
[07:53] <AtuM> jpds, oh.. right.
[07:57] <AtuM> hopefully this will work after reboot :)
[08:05] <AtuM> jpds, thanks!! works perfectly now.
[08:05] <PatBateman> hi
[08:07] <PatBateman> congrats for 14.04 after a dist upgrade the long affected optimus problem is solved, I have working nvidia drivers :D
[08:14] <DJones> PatBateman: Yeah, been working perfectly for me for about 2 months on a clean install
[08:28] <euryale> hi guys.
[08:29] <euryale> does anyone know how i can make an app-indicator?
[08:31] <euryale> i would love to make a custom menu for ubuntu, but don't know where or how to start. yes i need to learn a language.
[08:36] <jpds> euryale: Well, there used to be stuff on developer.ubuntu.com.
[08:37] <tomboy65> is there a quick and dirty way to install ubuntu from a running linux into another partition?
[08:37] <tomboy65> without rebooting into the live image, that is
[08:39] <k1l> tomboy65: debootstrap
[08:40] <tomboy65> k1l: is 1.0.56 recent enough? or do i need 1.0.59?
[08:40] <k1l> that should work since ages
[08:41] <tomboy65> great. thanks
[08:50] <AtuM> I've created a symlink to a bash script on my desktop.. I have no "Run" option .. it just opens within an editor. is there a simple way to run it as an app (it runs Viber.sh)
[08:51] <lordievader> AtuM: Make it executable and put "#!/bin/bash" as the first line of the script.
[08:53] <AtuM> lordievader, it's done.. I'm trying to run in with a mouse click.. the menu doesn't give a "run" option.. just open
[08:53] <AtuM> If i make a link to a binary i get "run" item in the menu..
[08:54] <lordievader> AtuM: Don't know how Ubuntu does it these days, but Kubuntu show an dialog when an exacutable .sh is clicked. It asks if you want to run or open it.
[08:58] <AtuM> lordievader, I'd also expect unity to make executable shell files executable.. creating a launcher is an option, but i'd rather have a quick fix :)
[08:59] <AtuM> can anyone else confirm this behaviour?
[09:02] <aizae3ne> I guess they are trying to make it so that new users who click on anything can't mess up their system...
[09:04] <AtuM> aizae3ne, that would make ubuntu idiot proof and expert-unfriendly
[09:04] <aizae3ne> AtuM: I suppose Debian with the classic gnome interface somewhat resembles what Ubuntu used to work like years ago.
[09:06] <aizae3ne> Although I'm glad that the Amazon privacy feature is going to made opt-in some time in the future.
[09:07] <AtuM> the whole zeitgheist should be an opt-in
[10:26] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:32] <Crashbit> hi! anyone using gnome-shell, today when start computer, lost config of dock and extensions?
[10:50] <keevitaja> hi, where can i download lates ubuntu 14.04 lts?
[10:51] <keevitaja> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:51] <keevitaja> is this the place?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> yes
[10:51] <keevitaja> ok, tnx
[11:31] <Crashbit> ok, solved, I rename .conf directory
[13:12] <aaronr> Hey #ubuntu+1. So I'm trying to run a 32-bit app on Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit) that requires libsm6. I've got libsm6 installed, but there doesn't seem to be a libsm6:i386 package. Oddly libsm6 does exist in the 32-bit version of 14.04 according to Launchpad. I'm confused. How do I get the 32-bit version of libsm6 so that my app can run?
[13:14] <Meerkat> A bug that has been marked as fixed on launchpad is not fixed for me. A comment says "In the event that you encounter a regression using the package from -updates please report a new bug using ubuntu-bug and tag the bug report regression-update so we can easily find any regresssions.". If there's been multiple patches to the package since this fix do I still make a new report and mark it regression?
[13:16] <bekks> Meerkat: Yes.
[13:16] <bekks> Meerkat: Without a new regression bug, no one can track your regression.
[13:17] <Meerkat> thanks.
[13:18] <john_rambo> Someone please give me the output of uname -a of FULLY UPDATED system
[13:19] <felixonmars> hi, i'm having a problem running apt-get dist-upgrade: invoke-rc.d: initscript hv-kvp-daemon, action "start" failed.
[13:19] <felixonmars> it's an ubuntu 14.04 on windows azure, any idea?
[13:19] <bekks> john_rambo: Please give us your output ;)
[13:20] <bekks> john_rambo: And uname -a will only show kernel information, nothing else about a whatsoever updated system.
[13:20] <john_rambo> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7249700/
[13:21] <bekks> john_rambo: And whats the actual issue at thath point?
[13:21] <Meerkat> I have 3.13.0-24-generic on xubuntu 14.04.
[13:22] <john_rambo> I am having trouble with 3.13.0-24-generic .....The default in grub becomes low latency which gives me low resolution ...and selecting the regular ones gives me error and finally CLI Meerkat bekks
[13:23] <keevitaja> any chanche i could try installing 13.10 package on 14.04?
[13:23] <john_rambo> the regular 3.13.0-24-generic
[13:23] <bekks> john_rambo: "gives me error" means what exactly?
[13:23] <felixonmars> [465939.828174] init: Failed to spawn hv-kvp-daemon main process: unable to execute: No such file or directory
[13:23] <felixonmars> i find this in dmesg
[13:24] <john_rambo> bekks: Cant find root partition .....
[13:24] <bekks> john_rambo: Whats the full error?
[13:24] <john_rambo> bekks: I will have to reboot and note it down .....BRB
[13:25] <felixonmars> when i try to apt-get install --reinstall hv-kvp-daemon-init, i get this: E: Internal Error, No file name for hv-kvp-daemon-init:amd64
[13:26] <bekks> felixonmars: Is that a filename or a package name?
[13:26] <felixonmars> apt-cache search told me it's a package name
[13:26] <felixonmars> without --reinstall, i get "hv-kvp-daemon-init is already the newest version."
[13:27] <felixonmars> but it's weird that i cannot reinstall it :/
[13:27] <bekks> felixonmars: Pastebin "apt-cache policy hv-kvp-daemon-init" please
[13:28] <felixonmars> bekks: http://paste.kde.org/pypkmo8mv/w2c92u/raw
[13:29] <felixonmars> i kind of understand what happened
[13:29] <felixonmars> it's a dependency cycle
[13:29] <felixonmars> http://paste.kde.org/p17sa2la6/cppgyw/raw
[13:29] <felixonmars> any idea how to solve it?
[13:33] <Rory> felixonmars: Can you run "sudo service hv-kvp-daemon start" on its own?
[13:33] <felixonmars> no, it fails
[13:34] <felixonmars> i just tried to pass --force-depends to install hv-kvp-daemon-init, but it still fails to start
[13:34] <felixonmars> file hv-kvp-daemon is not found anywhere
[13:36] <michagogo|cloud> At what point do PPAs get the ability to build for trusty?
[13:37] <michagogo|cloud> On FinalRelease day?
[13:37] <GraemeLion> michagogo|cloud: I think they can build for trusty now. I've had plenty of PPA's added
[13:38] <michagogo|cloud> Ah, really? Thanks
[13:38] <GraemeLion> Yeah, I have juju team's, webupd8's, and a few other trusty ppa's.  That's one inside Canonical, and a few outside
[13:45] <john_rambo> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7249801/
[14:04] <john_rambo> Is reinstalling the only way out ?
[14:06] <bekks> john_rambo: Boot a working kernel, and reinstall the non-working kernel.
[14:07] <john_rambo> bekks: Tried that. Same thing
[14:07] <Meerkat> My home and end key doesn't work in firefox 28 anymore. Can someone else test?
[14:09] <Meerkat> restarting fixed it.
[14:46] <keevitaja> how do i install skype on 14.04 ?
[15:01] <Rory> sudo sh -c "echo 'deb http://archive.canonical.com/ trusty partner' >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/canonical_partner.list"
[15:01] <Rory> sudo apt-get update
[15:01] <Rory> sudo apt-get install skype
[15:02] <Rory> keevitaja: To find that I googled: "how do i install skype on 14.04 ?"
[15:10] <felixonmars> hrm, still didn't figure out how to fix my box :/
[15:11] <felixonmars> hv-kvp-daemon is not found even i downgrade hv-kvp-daemon-init
[15:16] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:17] <felixonmars> hi
[15:17] <felixonmars> diverted by hv-kvp-daemon-init to: /usr/sbin/hv_kvp_daemon.hv-kvp-daemon-init
[15:17] <felixonmars> what do this "diverted" mean?
[15:23] <felixonmars> finally i workaround the problem with "/usr/sbin# ln -s hv_kvp_daemon.hv-kvp-daemon-init hv_kvp_daemon"
[15:23] <felixonmars> i don't think it's the right thing to do though :(
[15:23] <felixonmars> now those packages upgrades successfully
[15:38] <roasted> hello you beautiful people
[15:45] <Meerkat> roasted, oh you charmer
[16:04] <roasted> that's how I roll Meerkat :D
[16:04] <roasted> I'm making some animated gif's to show my bug report a bit easier. :)
[16:12] <jack> what releasename is next, after trusty?
[16:13] <k1l> jack: not yet
[16:13] <jack> no name yet?
[16:13] <jack> shrug
[16:13] <bekks> No.
[16:13] <k1l> wait to after the release of 14.04
[16:13] <Meerkat> Urban urial?
[16:13] <jack> ok, sure
[16:14] <Meerkat> not many animal names on U.
[16:14] <jack> why u??
[16:14] <bekks> jack: Because u comes after t?
[16:14] <k1l> jack: really?
[16:15]  * Pici snerks
[16:15] <jack> k1l, sure (i'm unenlightened)
[16:16] <Meerkat> what came before feisty fawn? I cannot remember.
[16:16] <k1l> jack: see the release names from the last ubuntu releases: precise, quantal, raring, saucy, trusty,.... you see where that is going?
[16:17] <roasted> Unified Unicorn!
[16:17] <jack> breezy blurbsomething
[16:17] <jack> badger or so
[16:17] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[16:17] <roasted> Unified Unicorn running Unity 8 and Mir with full Unity convergence among all unifiable devices.
[16:17] <roasted> calling it
[16:17] <GraemeLion> Edgy Eft
[16:18] <jack> oh cool, thx
[16:18]  * elfy has been calling 14.10 Unreal Unicorn for a long time :p
[16:19] <Meerkat> ah, edgy eft! Good old eft.
[16:19] <GraemeLion> Watch Mark decide that the naming convention needs to change :P
[16:19] <Rory> My first one was Hoary Hedgehog
[16:19] <jack> k1l, sure - i'd say all the way to z
[16:19] <Rory> My favourite release was Edgy Eft
[16:20] <Rory> Or possibly Hardy
[16:20] <Rory> Hardy had the best wallpaper, that's for sure
[16:20] <jack> i started when breezy was current
[16:20] <Meerkat> brown ubuntu was the best ubuntu
[16:20] <GraemeLion> I go all the way back to warty.  But my favorite by far was Precise or Hardy
[16:21] <jack> first one i installed at home was feisty though
[16:21] <GraemeLion> Tho Trusty is really got me.  I think Unity might just be where it needs to be finally
[16:21] <Rory> I liked Hardy so much, I am currently running Mate with dual-panels (Hardy-style) with the Hardy wallpaper
[16:21] <Rory> They'll prise my dual panels out of my cold dead hands
[16:21] <roasted> hardy and intrepid had the best default backgrounds
[16:21] <roasted> moreso intrepid imo
[16:21] <Rory> Was intrepid the coffee-stain?
[16:22] <roasted> intrepid was the bull thinger
[16:22] <Rory> Looked like when you leave a cup of coffee on a desk and it leaves a mark
[16:22] <Rory> I liked that one too
[16:24] <roasted> guys. look how similar highlighted vs non-highlighted icons look when they need attention (skype in this example) - http://oi62.tinypic.com/nxjgh3.jpg
[16:24] <roasted> hardly a difference.
[17:43] <alket> for 7 years that I use ubuntu, the Albanian repo is always outdated , how come ?
[17:43] <alket> is this the case with other mirrors too ?
[17:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> alket, isn't albania a peoples republic or something
[17:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> ?
[17:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> Communist rule in Albania ended in 1992.... hmmm
[17:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> well there goes my explanation
[17:58] <chowder> hey guys I know this channel is only for discussion of prerelease version of Ubuntu but I'm not getting much help in the main channel. Is it alright to ask my question here? The main issue is that my system isn't decrypting my LUKS volume. I get dropped to a busybox. No idea how to fix it. Google doesn't bring up much.
[17:59] <Aki-Thinkpad> ive never even heard of a luks volume
[18:02] <chowder> Aki-Thinkpad, probably using wrong terminology. What I meant is that the entire partition is encrypted with LUKS.
[18:02] <chowder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7250828/     http://paste.ubuntu.com/7250837/
[18:05] <Aki-Thinkpad> chowder, Oh no, I am sure its my ignorance at fault here. For file system questions, I usually have better luck in places like #kernel or #btrfs (those channels could probably tell you the best place for luks)
[18:05] <Aki-Thinkpad> the best channel for luks based questions*
[18:06] <chowder> thanks a lot. I could wipe everything and reinstall but I'm stubborn. I see this as a challenge and a learning experience. Plus my buddy is using my external hard drive so I don't have access to it. :/
[18:39] <melkor> Would there be an advantage to waiting until the 17th to swap hard drives? I have a new ssd that I want to install.
[18:39] <bekks> melkor: Why is the release of 14.04 involved into you change of harddrives?
[18:40] <melkor> I guess it would be a fresh install vs using the current install media and updating.
[18:40] <rberg> Have others been having graphical glitches on kubuntu 14.04?
[18:41] <melkor> rberg: I have a few. especially with firefox.
[18:41] <rberg> I do use firefox
[18:42] <melkor> Also, I have an external usb case, is there a good way to copy my current partition/ install to my new hd?
[18:42] <melkor> Or should I reinstall kubuntu and then copy the user directories and /usr/local partitions.
[19:06] <nutzz> hey guys, everytime I plug in the AC cable docky is closing, this is happening since I have updated to 14.04. What should I do?
[19:09] <vivid> rberg, not really for me, but im not using ubuntu's kernel or mesa stack
[19:10] <vivid> only a couple issues after they push mesa updates
[19:20] <kupo_> Notice one bug with a certain font on xubuntu. While using "tamsyn" it crashes panel if right click or if right click for desktop settings. only when using it as main font in apperence section
[19:26] <robotti^> I have problem. I have trying to run apt-get update. but problem persists. It will print W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/varlib/apt/lists/partial/fi.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists/trusty_universe_source_Sources Has Sum mismatch and so on.
[19:27] <robotti^> problem is same all my trusty installs
[19:27] <robotti^> I also try it with se.archive.ubuntu.com repo and problem persists.
[19:27] <bekks> robotti^: try archive.ubuntu.com
[19:32] <robotti^> bekks: thanks. that solves it. they seems to be updating repo or something.
[19:32] <bekks> robotti^: yeah, currently, a lot of mirror updates are on their ways, for thursday. :)
[19:36] <kupo_> thursday official LTS day?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> kupo_, yes
[19:38] <kupo_> I noticed one bug with certain font. not sure if able to fix or what.
[19:38] <kupo_>  Notice one bug with a certain font on xubuntu. While using "tamsyn" it crashes panel if right click or if right click for desktop settings. only when using it as main font in apperence section
[20:09] <xangua> is there any major bug in the beta at this moment? where could I check this?
[20:14] <bekks> xangua: launchpad.net
[20:15] <TiCPU> I cannot perform a full upgrade on 2 different installations because of wine1.6, is that a known problem?
[21:41] <basketball> when i am googleing something and looking through results why does google go back to a search from a week ago
[21:45] <basketballl> when i am googleing something and looking through results why does google go back to a search from a week ago
[23:02] <kupo_> On xubuntu. while using font "tamsyn". If i right click to desktop settings on right click panel it crashes. any fix
[23:03] <bekks> kupo_: Did you create a bug report yet? Without it, there will be no fix.
[23:04] <kupo_> hmm nope. the font doesn't come out of box. so not sure if they would bother.
[23:04] <kupo_> How exactly do i file a report? make an account at launchpad or where
[23:05] <bekks> yeah, on launchpad.net


[11:42] <jphilips> good that we have synaptic, as running updater after installation wants to remove gnome software - https://imgur.com/HvEjwfA.png
[11:45] <jphilips> bluesabre: anyway we can fix this, as i had the same issue with 20.04 and mentioned what the guys in ubuntu-testers suggested we do
[11:48] <jphilips> and this looks like why. its trying to install the snap store - https://imgur.com/noF4ik2.png
[12:46] <brainwash> JackFrost: why is panel 4.16 stuck in -proposed?
[12:47] <JackFrost> Rat's nest of things which libxfce4ui depends on.
[12:47] <JackFrost> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/hirsute/
[12:48] <brainwash> okay thx
[12:50] <JackFrost> libgit is to blame.
[13:07] <bluesabre> jphilips: I think we ran into the same issue before, but it was only while in development. We’ll need to confirm if the snap stop version is supposed to take over and remove the ability to install debs.
[13:19] <JackFrost> !info snap-store
[13:19] <ubot3> Package snap-store does not exist in hirsute
[13:20] <jphilips> bluesabre: i remember it happening to regular users who installed the non-dev ISOs. i'm going to install 20.04.1 to test what happens
[13:22] <JackFrost> Things like lxd and chromium got turned into fake packages, but gnome-software didn't.  I have no idea how it's happening.
[13:23] <jphilips> snap-store isn't a deb package, its a snap package
[13:23] <jphilips> 'sudo snap install snap-store'
[13:24] <JackFrost> Right, but that doesn't explain the jump.
[13:27] <JackFrost> Anyway, yeah not really my area at least.  Budgie is the only other one that pulls in gnome-software.
[13:28] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Oh right, so -indicator-plugin uploaded to Debian.  How do we want to play this?
[13:47] <jphilips> could it be because xubuntu-desktop recommends snapd?
[13:47] <jphilips> fresh install of 20.04.1 wanting to remove gnome software - https://imgur.com/Phhjf7m.png
[23:50] <bluesabre> JackFrost: good question... looks like we might need the systemd patch, and its probably a good time now to switch fully over to ayatana indicators even though messages isn't in ubuntu yet. Are we the last official flavor shipping indicator-messages?
[23:56] <JackFrost> If we merge, we keep indicator-* support and do not have ayatana-indicator-* support, if we sync than the inverse is true and we wouldn't need the systemd patch.
[23:57] <JackFrost> gir1.2-messagingmenu-1.0 is on some others, but yeah seems we are the only one shipping it.
[23:59] <bluesabre> JackFrost: let's sync!
[23:59] <bluesabre> Confirmed that gnome-software is removing itself in hirsute, https://imgur.com/Hr8c4TD.png
[23:59] <bluesabre> So that's nice.


[05:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3275 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[07:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3279 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination