[11:13] <thenuke> there are no scripts because there is no need for them
[11:13] <Nermal> ah.. the logic
[11:14] <cuanntiex> akoe ora ngerti koe ngmg apa/??????????????
[11:14] <thenuke> Nermal: did you mean my logic :) please tell me then what is the logic to have scripts to install liveCD into HD if there is install CD available
[11:14] <thenuke> cuanntiex: english.
[11:14] <finlaylabs> cazabam: ctl-alt-F3 tells me "cp: Read error: Input/output error". Havent tried a manual cp yet.
[11:14] <Nermal> thenuke, no.. I was just admiring the simple logic behind such a reason
[11:15] <cazabam> finlaylabs: stick the disk in your other machine (the one that burned it), then mount it and try to copy the file
[11:15] <cazabam> finlaylabs: if that works then it is your drive
[11:18] <Addius> aff, got stuck on the first step
[11:20] <Addius> so, if I want to add the kernel-package, without having an internet connection, how'd I go about it?
[11:20] <cazabam|hungry> not sure if it's on the CD - apt-cache search should confirm if you have no repositories set up in sources.list
[11:21] <thoreauputic> apt-cache policy would be easier
[11:21] <Addius> policy?
[11:22] <Addius> nm, I read through manpages :p
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Addius: apt-cache policy tells you where stuff comes from, and status etc
[11:23] <finlaylabs> cazabam: copies on write computer just fine. Maybe try slower burn speed (only used x4!)
[11:23] <Addius> yah.. well it couldn't find the package kernel-package, oh noes.. erhm..
[11:23] <finlaylabs> install computer recently had no prob with suse cd.
[11:23] <cazabam> finlaylabs: yeah, slow it right down
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Addius: yeah, kernel-package would appear not to be on the CD
[11:25] <finlaylabs> cazabam: ok will try that later (when Im not using computer! Using it seems to always corrupt the write).
[11:25] <Addius> aff, this makes things complicated :p
[11:25] <finlaylabs> do you know if ubuntu allows encrypetd reiserfs partitions? I got reiserfs ok but no option for encryption.
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Addius: archive.ubuntu.com should have all packages
[11:27] <Addius> ok, any place special I should put them on the machine or will /tmp/ do just fine?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Addius: shouldn't matter - you will just do sudo dpkg -i to install
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Addius: but watch out for dependencies ;)
[11:28] <finlaylabs> cazabam: thanks for the help. cu later!
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Addius: make sure you install build-essential (that *is* on the CD I think)
[11:28] <Addius> yah, I hope so..
[11:29] <Addius> I could try doing that before I even try getting the kernel-package, heh
[11:29] <thoreauputic> Addius: it is - I just checked
[11:29] <thoreauputic> Addius: definitely install that befor kernel-package
[11:29] <thoreauputic> *before
[11:29] <cazabam> finlaylabs: k :)
[11:29] <Addius> ah, well it's installing it now
[11:30] <Addius> now to find the kernel-package in the archives
[11:30] <DNAku-san> I just noticed I can't access my floppy in ubuntu :/
[11:30] <microhaxo> dammit
[11:30] <microhaxo> i cant install enemy territory
[11:30] <microhaxo> ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[11:30] <microhaxo> it says
[11:30] <microhaxo> sudo: /home/microhaxo/et-linux-2.60.x86.run: command not found
[11:30] <DNAku-san> Is there any way I can access my floppy, it's really urgent
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Addius: it's in main
[11:31] <thoreauputic> DNAku-san: of course
[11:31] <cazabam> microhaxo: chmod +x et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[11:31] <Addius> In main? isn't there only installers there?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> DNAku-san: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mount/point
[11:31] <anissa> HI
[11:31] <DNAku-san> thanks
[11:31] <microhaxo> thanks
[11:32] <microhaxo> DAMMIT
[11:32] <anissa> ASL
[11:32] <cazabam> microhaxo: ?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> DNAku-san: you might need sudo for that command
[11:32] <microhaxo> FKIN KONQUEROR ALWAYS DOWNLOADING BAD CHECKISMS
[11:32] <thoreauputic> microhaxo: use wget
[11:32] <cazabam> hehe use firefox ;)
[11:33] <microhaxo> I cant dload it
[11:33] <microhaxo> its a weird deal
[11:33] <microhaxo> here
[11:33] <microhaxo> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=301
[11:33] <microhaxo> there
[11:33] <DNAku-san> brb
[11:33] <microhaxo> If i click
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Addius: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/
[11:34] <microhaxo> it opens in KATE
[11:34] <microhaxo> if i save as
[11:34] <microhaxo> its a php file
[11:34] <microhaxo> ?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Addius: it's in that
[11:34] <microhaxo> wtf
[11:34] <Addius> thoreauputic: ah! I tried going through the dist =/
[11:34] <Addius> thanks
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Addius: nah, pool :)
[11:34] <Addius> well this seems more like it
[11:34] <microhaxo> there
[11:34] <microhaxo> i got it
[11:34] <microhaxo> wget http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/4players/hosted/et/official/et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[11:35] <Addius> thoreauputic: I want the deb if I want to do the apt-get install don't I?
[11:36] <jasp> Hi !! I've a question! can anyone help me?? (about kernel)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Addius: umm - if you download the deb you install it with " sudo dpkg -i <nameofdeb> "
[11:36] <Addius> ok, thanks
[11:36] <stevegriff> I want to install doom3 on ubuntu - do I just install it from the cd or...?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> Addius: apt is for automatic install/ dep resolution: local packages you use dpkg -i
[11:37] <misaka> jasp - If we knew what your question was ...
[11:37] <misaka> ;]
[11:37] <Addius> I like how this USB-hotplugging actually works though
[11:37] <cazabam> microhaxo: konqueror treats mime types weird, and the web server probably is misconfigured
[11:39] <selinium> Hi all, for some reason, my printer will not work today. the printer is stopped and when you try to start it the application hangs. This has happened to other users but not as yet to me.. ANy ideas?
[11:39] <Addius> well that didn't take long.. okay, next step :p
[11:42] <shivan___> hi , any one has already use pbuilder ? , i want to create a ubuntu-PIV repository, but the way to build all package is not clear for me
[11:42] <jasp> my kernel is 2.6.10-5-386 and i want to use 2.6.11, but when i try to use the new image gnome don't start!!
[11:44] <jasp> 2.6.11 from kernel.org
[11:45] <ciocanel> I'm having some problems with sound in vlc, cannot open /dev/dsp... can anyone give me a hint?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> ciocanel: try sudo killall esd
[11:46] <ciocanel> thoreauputic, nope, esd is not nunning
[11:46] <Addius> thoreauputic: when I made an apt-get install for the linux-image it told me that it was already up to date, would that refer to the one that came with the kernel-package?
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Addius: I think you may be confused - kernel-package is for compiling your own
[11:47] <thoreauputic> Addius: kernel images are ready to go binaries...
[11:47] <thoreauputic> linux-image, whatever
[11:47] <Addius> I am certainly confused.. I'm just following the howto in the ubuntu-wiki :p
[11:47] <Addius> but okay, that step wasn't needed and I'll head on to the next, thanks :p
[11:47] <thoreauputic> Addius: what are you trying to achieve?
[11:48] <Addius> thoreauputic: erhm, being able to patch and rebuild the kernel so I can get a zd1201 module working.. a pain I know =/
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Addius: to rebuild the kernel you need to install linux-source
[11:49] <paxon> How to autostart in KDE?
[11:49] <Riddell> paxon: autostart what?
[11:49] <paxon> Riddell, process?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> paxon: put a script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[11:50] <paxon> Thanks.
[11:50] <microhaxo> bah
[11:50] <microhaxo> guys
[11:50] <microhaxo> i slept till 3pm should i just stay up the whole night
[11:50] <microhaxo> its 5 am
[11:50] <microhaxo> lol
[11:50] <Dalkus> Try sleeping :P
[11:50] <microhaxo> i can
[11:50] <microhaxo> but its 5 am
[11:50] <microhaxo> should i?
[11:50] <Dalkus> yes :P
[11:50] <Addius> thoreauputic: yah, and when I tried it told me it was already up to date, which made me wonder
[11:50] <microhaxo> or should i stay up the rest of day and sleep at like 6?
[11:50] <Dalkus> microhaxo, your choice.... :\
[11:50] <microhaxo> lol
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> er 5am is counted as the whole night
[11:51] <microhaxo> yea
[11:51] <microhaxo> i kno
[11:51] <microhaxo> i figure at 8 am i will poop out :|
[11:51] <poningru> sleep at 6
[11:51] <microhaxo> LOL?
[11:51] <microhaxo> i figure
[11:51] <paxon> Ty for reminding me, I should get some sleep in the coming days.
[11:51] <microhaxo> if i stay up till 8
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Addius: dpkg -L linux-source*
[11:51] <poningru> much better
[11:51] <microhaxo> ill sleep till 10
[11:51] <microhaxo> and be fine for the day
[11:52] <Dalkus> don't keep that up for too long, microhaxo
[11:52] <microhaxo> where does wget save things too
[11:52] <microhaxo> yea i know
[11:52] <microhaxo> bad for me
[11:52] <Dalkus> I used to do that pretty much every night, now I'm tired all day every day
[11:52] <microhaxo> lol
[11:52] <Dalkus> and I'm sixteen....
[11:52] <microhaxo> sucks
[11:52] <Dalkus> :\
[11:52] <microhaxo> im 17
[11:52] <Nermal> good for you
[11:52] <microhaxo> lol
[11:52] <microhaxo> where
[11:52] <Dalkus> but true geeks dont sleep :)
[11:52] <microhaxo> does wget save shit?
[11:52] <Dalkus> UK.
[11:52] <Dalkus> sure
[11:52] <Nermal> microhaxo, it downloads files yes
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Addius: actually, sorry try dpkg -l | grep linux
[11:52] <microhaxo> uea
[11:52] <microhaxo> where
[11:53] <microhaxo> what folder?
[11:53] <Nermal> in the current directory
[11:53] <Dalkus> wherever you say
[11:53] <poningru> actually not so bad
[11:53] <microhaxo> ah
[11:53] <Dalkus> wget http://whatever.com/file.htm folder
[11:53] <poningru> you just go noctornol after a while
[11:53] <Nermal> "directory"
[11:53] <Dalkus> you can specify a folder
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> nocturnal
[11:53] <poningru> and hence the tiredness during morn
[11:54] <microhaxo> WTH is goin on
[11:54] <microhaxo> i dloaded a file with WGET
[11:54] <microhaxo> and it says md5 checksum bad!
[11:54] <microhaxo> bs
[11:55] <selinium> hi there thoreauputic!
[11:55] <davidw> question about the live CD's: do they use the same software as Ubuntu, or is it just a hacked morphix/something else?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> microhaxo: so it isn't konq's fault, evidently
[11:55] <microhaxo> yea
[11:55] <microhaxo> i guess
[11:56] <microhaxo> how stupid are you to host a file that doesnt meat the checksum?
[11:56] <davidw> I'm curious because I would like to know if Ubuntu's NTPL implementation is broken like Debian's
[11:56] <Nermal> microhaxo, as stupid as someone who can't spell "meet" ?
[11:56] <selinium> thoreauputic: i seem to be having a similar problem printing as that chap yesterday! can you give me a hand?
[11:56] <m0rphx> davidw: I think it's the same software
[11:56] <thoreauputic> davidw: warty used a morphix method, hoary is basically identical with the install CD
[11:56] <Nermal> microhaxo, bad download / bad ram ?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> selinium: I seem to recall he did an "rmmod lp " ?
[11:57] <forsaker8k6>  anyone know which is the dev of a bluetooth connected hardware?
[11:57] <microhaxo> anyone have any alternate links?
[11:57] <microhaxo> for ET
[11:57] <davidw> thoreauputic, cool, I will test my bug out on that, then
[11:58] <davidw> man, I wish I had about 5 or 6 machines just to play with:-/
[11:59] <pepsi> microhaxo, what are you doing now?
[11:59] <microhaxo> re downloading
[11:59] <microhaxo> ET
[11:59] <microhaxo> :|
[12:00] <pepsi> from where?
[12:00] <microhaxo> fileshack
[12:00] <microhaxo> :|
[12:00] <microhaxo> anyone got a FAST MIRROR?
[12:00] <microhaxo> like 700kb/s
[12:00] <microhaxo> ?
[12:00] <Nermal> hush
[12:00] <microhaxo> :|
[12:01] <pepsi> i bet you'd settle for 200k/sec
[12:01] <pepsi> you
[12:01] <pepsi> 're desperate
[12:01] <davidw> BRB
[12:02] <davidw> ah, utf-8 is better...
[12:02] <selinium> thoreauputic:  not working for me :(  The printer willnot come on line, if i put the command in the application hangs. My other half gets this on her loggin, maybe it is a security thing? Not that I have changed anything.... I think..... :)
[12:03] <ivoks> hi :)
[12:03] <ivoks> i have one python related problem... could anyone halp me? :)
[12:03] <housetier> yes
[12:03] <cazabam> probably :)
[12:03] <thoreauputic> selinium: does it only happen on her login?
[12:03] <ivoks> when i start bledner for example, i get:
[12:04] <thoreauputic> selinium: if so, she may not be in the right groups?
[12:04] <ivoks> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback \ No installed Python found.
[12:04] <housetier> ivoks, with close to 10 billion people on this planet chances are high somebody might help you
[12:04] <Nermal> 6 billion
[12:04] <selinium> thoreauputic: it used to, but now it is doing it on mine! I might have changed something in my groups yesterday... How do I sort it?
[12:04] <microhaxo> hahaha
[12:04] <microhaxo> 2mbit download from file planet
[12:04] <microhaxo> :D
[12:05] <thoreauputic> selinium: first type " groups" to see which ones you/she are in
[12:05] <Nermal> ignore time
[12:05] <cazabam> ivoks: what version of python you have installed?
[12:05] <ivoks> cazabam: 2.3 and 2.4
[12:06] <thoreauputic> selinium: for reference, the first user would be in these -  adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[12:06] <thoreauputic> selinium: note the lpadmin group
[12:07] <TommyH> Hi, does anyone know how to increase the refresh rate of the remote desktop client?
[12:07] <selinium> thoreauputic:  I have screwed my groups up, I have only got audio! How do I sort it. I am a dumb ass!
[12:07] <thoreauputic> selinium:  sudo adduser selinium lpadmin
[12:07] <thoreauputic> for instance
[12:07] <thoreauputic> selinium: or you can do it in gnome as well (GUI)
[12:08] <davidw> ciao..
[12:08] <selinium> thoreauputic:  For each one, or can i sudo adduser selinium adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin  ?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> selinium: note that the admin group has sudoers rights
[12:08] <cazabam> ivoks: you have PYTHONPATH set?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> selinium: no that won't work :)
[12:09] <ivoks> cazabam: hm, no...
[12:09] <zyth> what's the best way for me to install wine?
[12:09] <Nermal> apt-get install wine ?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> selinium: easiest to use the graphical method, or repeat the command by using the up arrow and editing the end of the line
[12:09] <Nermal> with sudo obviously
[12:09] <selinium> thoreauputic:  I  sudo adduser selinium audio last night and now that is the only one.... What did i do wrong? can you tell?
[12:09] <ivoks> cazabam: but that I don't need
[12:09] <zyth> yes, but I don't know how to configure it, or is it automatically done?
[12:09] <Nermal> edit wine.conf I guess
[12:10] <thoreauputic> selinium: no I don't know
[12:10] <cazabam> ivoks: how so?
[12:10] <Nermal> or install a tk frontend
[12:10] <selinium> thoreauputic:  how do you use the gui to do it? Just interested :)
[12:10] <ivoks> cazabam: on other machines i don't have PYTHONPATH
[12:10] <ivoks> cazabam: and everything works..
[12:10] <thoreauputic> selinium: I'm in fluxbox :)
[12:10] <ivoks> cazabam: hm.. are we talking about env varibles or something else? :)
[12:10] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Is it much better?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> selinium: what?
[12:11] <steob> Anyone help a total newbie get his sound card workin on Hoary?
[12:11] <cazabam> ivoks: yes, environment variable $PYTHONPATH
[12:11] <cazabam> hmmm...
[12:11] <cazabam> same version of blender?
[12:11] <ivoks> cazabam: check your export
[12:11] <ivoks> cazabam: you don;'t have it either :)
[12:11] <ivoks> cazabam: it's not only blender, all python apps
[12:11] <Nermal> steob, should be working
[12:12] <thoreauputic> selinium: just do the adduser thing and add all the relevant groups, then logout/login
[12:12] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Fluxbox
[12:12] <cazabam> ivoks: oh, ok - it's just thatthere is a specific blender bug open for that...
[12:12] <thoreauputic> selinium: I like it - tastes vary ;)
[12:12] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Cheers!
[12:12] <cazabam> ivoks: if you just type 'python'  do you get the python shell?
[12:13] <ivoks> cazabam: well... this isn't blender bug :(
[12:13] <selinium> thoreauputic:  send me a screenshot, if you can :)
[12:13] <ivoks> cazabam: yep, 2.4.1
[12:13] <thoreauputic> selinium: well, an old cluttered one from last year :)
[12:13] <cazabam> ivoks: what happens if you type 'import site;'
[12:13] <selinium> thoreauputic:  OL
[12:14] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Ok even
[12:14] <steob> Nermal: it's not though - I'm trying to install alsa stuff as per Bug  2090
[12:14] <ivoks> cazabam: errors
[12:14] <microhaxo> installin ET
[12:15] <ivoks> cazabam: Traceback (most recent call last): \  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? \ ImportError: No module named site
[12:15] <microhaxo> then ill play it a bit
[12:15] <microhaxo> then
[12:15] <thoreauputic> selinium: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxboxfirefoxrox.jpg
[12:15] <microhaxo> BOOT to windows to play BF2 demo
[12:15] <notos> hello does any one have stability problems with firefox?
[12:15] <microhaxo> DAMMIT thats it
[12:15] <cazabam> ivoks: what files you have in /usr/lib/python... etc etc
[12:15] <microhaxo> bullshit
[12:16] <microhaxo> ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (4)
[12:16] <ivoks> cazabam: just a sec...
[12:16] <microhaxo> Received signal 11, exiting...
[12:16] <ivoks> cazabam: i have wrong declaration of pythonhome
[12:16] <cazabam> :)
[12:16] <selinium> thoreauputic:  pretty! I think I will stick with what I know (which isn't a great deal!
[12:16] <thoreauputic> selinium: or>> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxfirefoxmenusint.jpg
[12:17] <dgtl>  hi everyone
[12:17] <microhaxo> WTF IS SIGNAL 11?W!
[12:17] <microhaxo> Received signal 11, exiting...
[12:17] <Nermal> segfault fool
[12:17] <cazabam> hi dgtl
[12:17] <Nermal> you probably have dodgy memory
[12:17] <Nermal> would explain the incorrect md5 sums
[12:17] <microhaxo> Bullshit
[12:17] <microhaxo> You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
[12:17] <microhaxo>  Driver DLL used: libGL.so.1
[12:17] <steob> anyone help a newbie with alsa driver install?
[12:17] <dgtl> anyone know how to get the computer/file system on the desktop?
[12:17] <microhaxo> NO I AM NOT
[12:17] <Nermal> yes you are!
[12:17] <Nermal> ;)
[12:17] <selinium> thoreauputic:  when I tried to add myself to the admin group it said no such group. is this a problem?
[12:17] <Seveas> microhaxo, relax...
[12:18] <microhaxo> DAMMIT
[12:18] <cazabam> dgtl: how to you mean?
[12:18] <Seveas> you either have bad memory or you installed some crappy stuff
[12:18] <microhaxo> how the @%@#% did my drivers go back to MESSA!
[12:18] <Nermal> dgtl, ummm... gconf-editor
[12:18] <thoreauputic> selinium: is sudo working ? Is this hoary?
[12:18] <Nermal> microhaxo, hush
[12:18] <thoreauputic> selinium: it didn't exist on warty
[12:18] <microhaxo> MOTHERSUCKIN FLUGFIFALFFFFF@@@@@@@@@
[12:18] <Nermal> maybe dpkg --configure -a
[12:18] <dgtl> Nermal: ok, where's it located? (in gconf-editor)
[12:18] <Seveas> microhaxo, please cool down a bit
[12:19] <Nermal> dgtl, one sec
[12:19] <cazabam> microhaxo: did you install Nvidia drivers from tarball or from package?
[12:19] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Hoary, maybe i mistyped something
[12:19] <selinium> thoreauputic:  sudo is working
[12:19] <cazabam> dgtl: I'd have a look but I'm stuck on an XP box... :(
[12:19] <Seveas> selinium, it doesn't exist on hoary if you upgraded from warty
[12:19] <Nermal> dgtl, apps -> nautilus -> desktop
[12:19] <Seveas> selinium, but you can easily add it
[12:19] <Nermal> dgtl, and apps -> nautilus ->preferences
[12:20] <dgtl> Nermal: thanks alot, it would have taken me ages to find that
[12:20] <dgtl> :)
[12:20] <thoreauputic> selinium: if you look at /etc/sudoers I think htere's a line that says the "admin" group has sudo rights by default -but if sudo is working I guess you are OK
[12:20] <Nermal> dgtl, is that what you wanted ?
[12:20] <dgtl> yeah
[12:20] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers
[12:20] <Nermal> dgtl, :)
[12:20] <Dalkus> steob, http://
[12:20] <Dalkus> er
[12:20] <Dalkus> steob, http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:20] <Dalkus> that has a guide on it, I think
[12:20] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is bad
[12:21] <Seveas> it has no guides
[12:21] <Seveas> just command listings
[12:21] <steob> I been there but my gcc aint working so I can't seem to compile anyhting
[12:21] <cazabam> ubuntuguide ROCKS!
[12:21] <Seveas> guides explain things...
[12:21] <Dalkus> Seveas, it still helps
[12:21] <Nermal> I think ubuntuguide is ok
[12:21] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Seveas has just said if i up graded from warty it wont exist. So no problem
[12:21] <Nermal> but it not as dynamic as the wiki
[12:21] <steob> gettin:
[12:21] <steob> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc: command not found
[12:21] <ivoks> cazabam: i located problem
[12:21] <cazabam> ubuntuguide is good for 'post isntall checklist' :)
[12:21] <Dalkus> steob, sudo apt-get install gcc
[12:21] <thoreauputic> selinium: ah - OK :)
[12:21] <Seveas> steob, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[12:21] <cazabam> ivoks: mm?
[12:21] <ivoks> cazabam: thanks for idea with ENV variables
[12:21] <steob> which one?
[12:21] <Dalkus> yeah, do the second - sorry
[12:22] <steob> ok thanks brb
[12:22] <cazabam> did you have pythonhome pointing to 2.3 or something?
[12:22] <ivoks> cazabam: this isn't my computer, but from one of my clients
[12:22] <cazabam> aaah
[12:22] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is bad, fortunately the docteam is making a good version of it :)
[12:22] <ivoks> cazabam: he put pythonhome in security/pam_env.conf pointing to his home :)
[12:22] <paxon> And a book is coming you said.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Nermal: ubuntuguide is like the curate's egg - good in parts ;)
[12:22] <Nermal> thoreauputic, aye
[12:23] <Nermal> thoreauputic, can get out of date quickly though
[12:23] <selinium> Seveas: where would we be able to see this new version. Or can't we yet?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Nermal: hence the rotten egg reference :)
[12:23] <ivoks> cazabam: he even hardcoded to /home/user_name
[12:23] <ivoks> cazabam: so for all users, it was /home/his_user_name :)
[12:23] <Seveas> selinium, not yet, it'll be released soon i guess
[12:24] <ivoks> cazabam: hype brings this kind of people too :))
[12:24] <cazabam> ivoks: how did he get into pam_env.conf anyway? bit odd for a wild guess?!?
[12:24] <ivoks> cazabam: ah, he has root account :)
[12:24] <cazabam> the bind moggle
[12:24] <cazabam> s
[12:24] <cazabam> he _has_ root, or he _is_ root?
[12:24] <ivoks> cazabam: well pam_env.conf is place to define env variables
[12:24] <ivoks> cazabam: but... this guy is crazy :)
[12:24] <cazabam> fair enough then :)
[12:24] <selinium> Cheers thoreauputic and Seveas: off for a reboot!
[12:25] <Seveas> selinium, why?
[12:25] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmm... just logout/login
[12:25] <Seveas> one should only reboot on kernel upgrades :)
[12:25] <paxon> lol
[12:25] <thoreauputic> selinium: your groups should appear then
[12:25] <selinium> Cheers thoreauputic and Seveas: OK :)
[12:26] <Addius> thoreauputic: sorry about that, had to take a shower.. erhm, dpkg -l linux didn't find any packages anyhow
[12:27] <thoreauputic> Addius: well, you wouldn't have the kernel / linux source on a default install
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> grah, I still have this problem
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> some fonts do not show up in firefox
[12:28] <thoreauputic> Addius: so you definitely would have to install it: but if this is for a driver, you probably only need the headers anyway
[12:28] <Addius> thoreauputic: hm.. so getting it from the archive then?
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/selectors_attribute.htm  I can't see the things in the white areas on this page
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> what do I do about this?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> Addius: are you sure you need to recompile the whole kernel?
[12:29] <forsaker8k6> uff.. it's three days that i'm trying withouth success to switch my display manager from gdm to entrance...
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Addius: linux-headers-$(uname -r) would probably be enough...
[12:30] <forsaker8k6> anyone has done it before?
[12:30] <Addius> erhm, that's what the guide tells me to, ack hehe
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Addius: which guide is this?
[12:30] <Addius> erhm, moment
[12:31] <Seveas> guides that tell you to recompile a kernel ar bad guides in 90% of the cases
[12:31] <Fikrann> Hello all
[12:31] <Addius> thoreauputic: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/ (I've been trying to do the first step in their readme, which is patching the kernel, heh)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> Addius: umm.... try to find an ubuntu wiki guide if you can - that would be a generic guide
[12:33] <Seveas> Addius, you could better patch the wlan-ng driver and recompile that
[12:33] <Seveas> not the whole kernel
[12:33] <Addius> I searched the board and the only hits that told me anything was more or less the same as what that one
[12:33] <Seveas> or even easier: just use ndiswrapper and the windows driver
[12:33] <Seveas> that'll save you from a lot of hassle
[12:34] <Church_of_FoamY> i just got my ubuntu cd's in yesterday
[12:34] <Addius> aff, I've had unpleasantries with ndiswrapper before.. it's something I've thought of though yeah, but I'd rather get this working
[12:34] <Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:34] <Church_of_FoamY> they are so nice
[12:35] <Church_of_FoamY> for free thats the best presentation of a product that i've seen
[12:35] <Church_of_FoamY> ever.
[12:35] <Seveas> Addius, ndiswrapper on Ubuntu works painlessly :)
[12:36] <Addius> aff, tempting ;_;
[12:36] <Seveas> :)
[12:36] <Fikrann> Seveas: this depends on a card and windoze driver quality. Not all cards work painlessly even if so advertised.
[12:36] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils linux-686 (linux-k7 if you're on AMD)
[12:37] <Seveas> Fikrann, true...
[12:37] <Addius> hm, but still shouldn't be that hard just getting a kernel into /src/ so I can do whatever I want with it now and then.
[12:37] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Works a treat... Just when I start to think i am getting the hang of linux, i realise how little I now!
[12:37] <cazabam> Anyone expert in acx100 wlan card problems?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> selinium: glad to hear it worked ! :)
[12:38] <Seveas> Addius, it isn't :)
[12:38] <selinium> thoreauputic:  where are you in Aus?
[12:38] <Fikrann> Seveas: I was once trying to set up ndiswrapper with m$ card on my friend's hardware .. it worked okay, as long as ESSID was MSHOME.. the driver was not accepting essid changes.
[12:38] <Seveas> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[12:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: there are Unix greybeards with 30 years experience still learning...
[12:38] <Seveas> rfol Fikrann :)
[12:38] <Addius> Seveas: ah, the problem is, I don't have a internet connection yet
[12:38] <Seveas> Addius, ah :|
[12:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: about 90 km south of Sydney
[12:39] <Nermal> Church_of_FoamY, hoary ?
[12:39] <Seveas> that sucks, apt kinda counts in it
[12:39] <Addius> otherwise I'd be done with this long ago, hehe
[12:39] <Seveas> on*
[12:39] <Addius> yah I know, I usually use Gentoo and portage without internet is just as close to worthless
[12:39] <Addius> hm..
[12:39] <selinium> thoreauputic:  my brother is in Melbourne but is thinking of moving to Sydney. I'll get him to buy you a beer on the way through! :D
[12:40] <Church_of_FoamY> the ubuntu hoary edition
[12:40] <thoreauputic> selinium: heheh
[12:40] <Church_of_FoamY> it works peachy
[12:40] <glDaher> I am using Network Monitor 2.10.0 ... applet for gnome, and I got a problem that is, whenever I change my dns settings to something, it is changed back to 10.0.0.x forgot the actual number, but it will come back to it sooner or later
[12:40] <Church_of_FoamY> and the product presentation is awsome
[12:40] <glDaher> is this some kind of settings in pppoeconf ?
[12:40] <steob> thanks - I got gcc so I can compile now but:
[12:40] <steob> when I do this alsa-driver-1.0.9rc4a # ./configure
[12:40] <Nermal> Church_of_FoamY, the power of having a multi-millionaire behind a distro eh ?
[12:41] <Addius> Seveas: just a thought, would downloading linux-image-'whatever' from the archive and then use dpkg -l on it work in my case?
[12:41] <steob> I get:
[12:41] <Nermal> steob, don't paste too much
[12:41] <steob> ok
[12:41] <Seveas> Addius, depends on wherher you grab the correct one
[12:41] <Nermal> or use pastebin.com
[12:41] <Seveas> steob, look at the topic
[12:41] <steob> file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[12:41] <Seveas> use paste.ubuntulinux.nl for large pastes
[12:41] <steob> is that too much?>
[12:41] <steob> ok
[12:41] <Nermal> steob, install the linux headers
[12:41] <Seveas> steob, aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:42] <steob> beautiful thanks, brb (sorry!)
[12:42] <Addius> Seveas: it's all up to the dice then I guess :p
[12:42] <Nermal> Seveas, nice line :)
[12:42] <Seveas> Addius, you want linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 (for intel)
[12:42] <glDaher> ah here it is again, it is <IP_ADDRESS> :(
[12:42] <Seveas> Addius, you want linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7 (for amd (not amd64, but ndiswrapper wont work with that anyway))
[12:43] <Addius> ok
[12:43] <YuWei> hi all, i am new to linux, how can i play a .rm movie from another windows computer?
[12:43] <Seveas> YuWei: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:43] <Seveas> look for realmedia on that page
[12:43] <YuWei> ok, thx
[12:43] <Fikrann> glDaher: You shouldn't rely on gui tools to configure your system without glitches.
[12:43] <Addius> Seveas: if I've been using the generic i386 untill now should I continue with that or go for the k7?
[12:44] <Seveas> Addius, go for K7
[12:44] <steob> ok I got the headers, do I 'uname -r' now?
[12:44] <Seveas> steob, ghe
[12:44] <glDaher> Fikrann: I know, but it is the only place I could find the problem
[12:44] <Seveas> you dhould have tyoped that command exactly :)
[12:44] <Seveas> aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:44] <steob> i did - it didn't like the (
[12:45] <steob> ahh, no space?
[12:45] <Addius> Do you have that one on a speedbutton Seveas? :p
[12:45] <Seveas> steob, no
[12:45] <steob> doh
[12:45] <glDaher> Fikrann: btw, when I change it in the gui, it does work, but after a while no dns in any app and even ping couldnt' find google
[12:45] <thoreauputic> steob: no space
[12:45] <Seveas> Addius, no :)
[12:45] <Seveas> glDaher, dns server settings are managed by dhclient, and that can screw up things for you
[12:45] <steob> ok gottit ta
[12:45] <Church_of_FoamY> no it not the power of having a multi millionare behind the distro
[12:45] <Seveas> glDaher, as root, edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:46] <Fikrann> glDaher: put your dns info into /etc/resolv.conf, then chattr +i it.
[12:46] <Seveas> make sure it does not request name servers
[12:46] <Seveas> Fikrann, no
[12:46] <Seveas> that's the bad way :)
[12:46] <glDaher> oh
[12:46] <Church_of_FoamY> it the pwer of free minds being well.....free
[12:46] <glDaher> dhclient?
[12:46] <Fikrann> Seveas: yes, but it's the fastest and most foolproof }:>
[12:46] <Seveas> dhclient, the program that gets you an ip address
[12:47] <YuWei> seveas, i think i didn't make myself clear, i want to  play the .rm from another computer through the LAN.
[12:47] <Seveas> Fikrann, that it is :)
[12:47] <Fikrann> dhclient3, even
[12:47] <steob> ok still getting the kernel verion.h file does not exist?
[12:47] <Seveas> YuWei, ah :)
[12:47] <steob> version even
[12:47] <Seveas> YuWei, is the other pc running windows, and is the folder that contains the file a shared folder?
[12:47] <Church_of_FoamY> an os shoulden't contain you or restrain you it should allow you to do what you want
[12:47] <Fikrann> steob: go to /usr/src and unpack the tar.gz you'll find there.
[12:47] <YuWei> yes
[12:48] <steob> ok ty
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> ubuntu does just that
[12:48] <Seveas> steob, you might have to manually ln -s /use/src/linux-2.6.10-something /usr/src/linux
[12:48] <cheikh> teste
[12:48] <Seveas> Church_of_FoamY, bull...
[12:48] <Slomp> What's special about Ubuntu?
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> how you figure?
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> it just works
[12:48] <catfox> hi all. any ideas why a kernel wont boot with no error output at all?
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> i know nothing of linux and it was easy for me
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> to install
[12:48] <YuWei> Seveas, yes that computer running windows and share the .rm file in a share folder
[12:49] <glDaher> Seveas: nothing in there that I can do... I'll check resolv.conf
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> and learn to use
[12:49] <Seveas> Church_of_FoamY, ah ok, i misunderstood you i guess
[12:49] <cheikh> hi
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[12:49] <Seveas> Church_of_FoamY, i though you meant Ubuntu is restricting you :)
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> dude i am totally for ubuntu
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> fuck no
[12:49] <Seveas> sorry :)
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:49] <Fikrann> catfox: Too little information to suggest anything.
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> dude i've used it for 2 monthes now
[12:49] <Addius> nyuur.. it claimed that there where no packages that went with the image..
[12:50] <Church_of_FoamY> and i have never been happiyer with an os
[12:50] <Seveas> YuWei, go to the menu places-> connect to server and connect to the windows machine
[12:50] <Seveas> and you also need a realmedia player installed, see that page I gave you for instructions on that
[12:51] <Seveas> Slomp, the special thing about Ubuntu is that it just works, has a great release schedule, is both stable and recent and has a great community
[12:51] <Seveas> it simply rocks :)
[12:51] <catfox> Fikrann, thats all i have :) i tried to build a custom kernel, but when i boot it, i get past grub then nothing
[12:52] <Church_of_FoamY> ditto
[12:52] <Church_of_FoamY> i have been able to hand out 50 ubuntu cd's to people places
[12:52] <Church_of_FoamY> and some of them love it
[12:52] <snowblink> Is there an RSS viewer screen saver?
[12:52] <Scorpinf> need help. how do i split files with rar?, i want them 200mb rar r01 r02 etc...
[12:53] <Scorpinf> i can't get it to work
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> Scorpinf: you don't
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> just make it one large file
[12:53] <Addius> well atleast I found out that certain packages can't be installed from a portable medium, strange
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> or use splut
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> split
[12:53] <newbhie> how can i properly unplug usb on hoary?
[12:53] <snowblink> catfox, initrd?
[12:54] <newbhie> umount does'nt kill the power supply
[12:54] <catfox> snowblink, hmm, didn't create one.
[12:54] <Fikrann> newbhie: after you umount it, you can safely plug it out.
[12:54] <steob> ok I owe people beers and stuff - now compiling my alsa stuff, thanks a bundle ;)
[12:54] <thoreauputic> Addius: they kind of can, but you need all dependencies to succeed - which can be *very* tricky
[12:54] <Seveas> Scorpinf, rar on linux is nonfree, why not use tar and gzip?
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> or bzip2 if you prefer
[12:54] <snowblink> catfox, give it a go with initrd in
[12:55] <Addius> Seveas: erhm.. I installed the new linux-image, but it put everything directly into /boot/ o_O
[12:55] <Seveas> Addius, it should :)
[12:55] <newbhie> Fikrann:but my usb still lighting
[12:55] <Fikrann> HrdwrBoB: bzip can't compress multiple files.
[12:55] <andyN> hi all
[12:55] <catfox> snowblink, will do, ta
[12:55] <Fikrann> newbhie: yes, it will.
[12:55] <Scorpinf> Seveas: how do i work it?
[12:55] <Seveas> Fikrann, that's what tar is for :)
[12:55] <Addius> Seveas: okay, so I do my config and rebuilding there? o_O
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> Fikrann: neither can gzip
[12:56] <Seveas> Addius, ehm, no, for that yoy need the source package
[12:56] <newbhie> it will never harm my usb drive?
[12:56] <Fikrann> Seveas: or cpio. Or shar. or damn billion other compress&store programs.
[12:57] <learn25> hello evryone
[12:57] <andyN> can anybody help me with a problem??
[12:57] <Nermal> andyN, just ask
[12:57] <andyN> learn25>>morning....
[12:57] <Addius> Seveas: erhm, but I thought I already had installed the source package, ack, now I'm getting confused, isn't there just any tgz out there that I can tar out into /src/ and whatever I want with?
[12:57] <learn25> i downloaded dhcp using apt-get install dhcp. But it failed to start.
[12:57] <learn25> help
[12:58] <andyN> Nermal: im trying to install SQL-Ledger..... do you know anything bout it??
[12:58] <catfox>  snowblink now i get "mknod: failed to create /dev/console" i guess i've left something important out?
[12:58] <Nermal> andyN, no :|
[12:58] <Fikrann> catfox: trying to install your own kernel?
[12:58] <andyN> Nermal>>damn, thanx anyway....
[12:58] <Nermal> learn25, that would be the server
[12:58] <Nermal> a dhcp client should be installed by defaut
[12:59] <learn25> i want this to become a dhcp server
[12:59] <Nermal> o
[12:59] <Nermal> /etc/init.d/dhcp start
[12:59] <andyN> Nermal do u know anything bout sql server settings??
[12:59] <Nermal> but you'll need to configure it first
[12:59] <peter__> hi, i've installed ubuntu hoary on a sata disc, but I can't get DMA working. hdparm says: "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device", my chipset is using the via82cxxx module. Does anyone know how to enable DMA ?
[12:59] <Fikrann> learn25: dhcp server won't start till you configure it properly.
[12:59] <Nermal> andyN, only mysql
[12:59] <catfox> Fikrann, i am, aye
[12:59] <andyN> so if i asked u anything bout DBD-Pg??
[01:00] <Nermal> erm. .no
[01:00] <glDaher> Fikrann: it seem to have worked, I've changed my resolv.conf file ... and been like two min and it still work :D
[01:00] <Fikrann> peter__: this module is for PATA chipset.
[01:00] <catfox> Fikrann, any ideas on that error?
[01:00] <glDaher> but what could have been editing that file anyway?
[01:00] <peter__> Fikrann: sata_via is loaded aswell...
[01:00] <glDaher> it used to say servername <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:01] <learn25> anybody knows how to configure dhcp server?
[01:01] <andyN> does anybody know anything bout postgreSQL??
[01:01] <GNULinuxer> bob2, what package contains eclipse?
[01:01] <learn25> i just installed dhcp
[01:01] <andyN> learn25: did u check the man pages??
[01:01] <Nermal> learn25, edit /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[01:02] <newbhie> does any known howto setup NIS?
[01:02] <newbhie> know*
[01:02] <Fikrann> catfox: yes, I've seen it quite often, long long time ago when I first tried devfs.
[01:02] <catfox> an right.
[01:02] <andyN> newbhie: how long have you been using linux??
[01:02] <Scorpinf> how do i split files in TAR ??
[01:02] <Scorpinf> i want them to be 200mb
[01:03] <catfox> Fikrann, i was thinking it might be something to do with ide support in the kernel
[01:03] <newbhie> 2 months?
[01:03] <newbhie> why?
[01:03] <catfox> Fikrann, i don't have devfs in there
[01:03] <Nermal> Scorpinf, tar them, then use split :)
[01:03] <andyN> newbhie: just asking, is it any good for you??
[01:03] <newbhie> i love linux right now.
[01:03] <Scorpinf> Nermal, can i unpack it in windows later?
[01:04] <Nermal> Scorpinf, erm.. dunno
[01:04] <karlos> andyN - 'bout a year now
[01:04] <newbhie> specially gconf editor.
[01:04] <andyN> karlos: and u like it??
[01:04] <Scorpinf> that's my problem i want to move a 6GB file to a FAT32 partition
[01:04] <andyN> newbhie: u into programming??
[01:04] <karlos> lots - would never go back to M$
[01:05] <andyN> karlos: same here, just a shame it doesnt really like games....
[01:05] <newbhie> yup, but i can't install wxwindows...coz it looks for x libs.
[01:05] <newbhie> so right now im setting up openmosix+nis+ltsp.
[01:05] <andyN> newbhie: ok, u into development??
[01:06] <Church_of_FoamY> i have been able to play UT04 steam half life counterstrike
[01:06] <Seveas> newbhie, install wxwindows from the repositories...
[01:06] <newbhie> yup.
[01:06] <karlos> that's true, or audio apps, i've been having headache getting midi working for months now
[01:06] <Church_of_FoamY> and i haven't had much isshues
[01:06] <Church_of_FoamY> i am totally using ubuntu now
[01:06] <newbhie> i dont have connection at home..
[01:06] <newbhie> so im just on cafe right now.
[01:07] <blah> so am I
[01:07] <Fikrann> newbhie: wxwindows is kind of pointless without X.
[01:07] <Church_of_FoamY> should bring you box thee and ask if you can hook it to there pipe
[01:07] <mikas> Scorpinf, 'rar a -v200000k foo.rar files to be rarred' or something likethat.. and maybe -m0 so it doesn't compress it if it is unnecessary.. type rar and it lists you all the options
[01:07] <andyN> newbhie: would u be interested in helping with a project??
[01:07] <newbhie> why did you say so?
[01:07] <andyN> karlos: do u do development work??
[01:07] <newbhie> but where busy with our ltsp+openmosix thesis.
[01:08] <blah> (making ...)
[01:08] <newbhie> andyN:you can email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:08] <karlos> is anyone here familiar with jack,alsa,midi and so on
[01:08] <karlos> andy: no
[01:08] <newbhie> so i can join u...wat would be the project?
[01:09] <andyN> newbhie: thanx, ill mail u soon and explain the project.
[01:09] <ivanox_> what project? Im curios :)
[01:09] <Nermal> Church_of_FoamY, good to hear
[01:09] <blah> project? (how to making ... in ....)
[01:10] <topyli> anyone in search of a project, port worms armageddon to linux. i'll put a $20 bounty on it :)
[01:10] <blah> o.o
[01:10] <andyN> ivanox_: its a small project... u into development??
[01:11] <blah> poisoner
[01:11] <Scorpinf> mikas, THANKS :-)
[01:11] <mikas> Scorpinf, np
[01:11] <topyli> good old rar to the rescue! :)
[01:12] <andyN> topyli: u mentioned worms.... u busy with the project??
[01:13] <blah> backhand is here...
[01:13] <ivanox_> andyN, no sorry.
[01:13] <topyli> andyN: no. i used to be addicted to worms so i'd just like to see it happen :)
[01:13] <notos> Has any one experienced Problems win firefox 1.04 like freezing?
[01:14] <catfox> i think i've tracked the problem down to tmpfs not being enabled. but tmpfs doesn't show up in my menuconfig options. anyideas what it depends on to be enabled?
[01:14] <steob> sorry back again - I've managed to compile the ALSA drivers & libs but trying to ./configure the utils I get...
[01:14] <steob> configure: error: this packages requires a curses library
[01:14] <andyN> ivanox_: we always need testers.
[01:14] <topyli> andyN: http://www.wormux.org/en/index.php =)
[01:14] <ivanox_> ok I can be a tester
[01:14] <blah> (found by.... XX?)
[01:15] <andyN> topyLi: thanx... ill check it out.... i also loved worms
[01:15] <Fikrann> catfox: its in the submenu in filesystems, the same place where you can enable devfs.
[01:15] <catfox> Fikrann, yeah in pseudo filesystems. but it's not in the list
[01:15] <gcc> guys i got warty , i refrshed my apt pack list and i see that still the packs are out of date what can i do?
[01:16] <ivanox_> worms the game? or worms that spreds like viruses?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> steob: sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[01:16] <catfox> Fikrann,  it's not showing up, which i think means it depends on something else which isn't enabled?
[01:16] <andyN> ivanox_: the game actually....
[01:16] <topyli> ivanox_: windows users get to have both
[01:17] <steob> thanks thor
[01:17] <ivanox_> andyN, ok cool
[01:18] <ivanox_> topyli, yeah I know ;)
[01:18] <thoreauputic> steob: if you get errors like that, 99% sure you need a -dev lib (apt-cache search is your friend)
[01:18] <newbhie> can i use Gconf to change the behavior of Gnome archiev manager? Coz i been looking for it in Gconf?
[01:18] <andyN> ivanox_: check out the site topyli pasted
[01:18] <newbhie> or other ways...
[01:19] <steob> thanks thor - total newbie to linux (u don't need to be sherlock to figure that out)
[01:19] <topyli> newbhie: look at apps/file-roller
[01:19] <newbhie> andyN have you started the project u mention?
[01:19] <steob> ok installed ALSA stuff - anything else anyone can suggest before I reboot and see if the sound works?
[01:20] <newbhie> topyli: thanks for the info..
[01:20] <andyN> newbhie: in the process of taking over
[01:20] <andyN> newbhie: i got a site if u want to check it out.
[01:20] <Church_of_FoamY> http://ubuntuforums.org/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=64
[01:21] <karlos> -I have a problem -- whenever I open JAMIN my QJACKCTL crashes...all the buttons and widgets disappear -- any ideas??
[01:21] <steob> ok ty for the help, wish me luck
[01:21] <Fikrann> catfox: look for Virtual Memory File System (former shmfs)
[01:22] <andyN> karlos: get windows!! hehehe, no, seriously, DONT!!
[01:22] <Church_of_FoamY> ::::shivvers::
[01:22] <karlos> cheers -- I nearly did
[01:22] <karlos> perish the thought
[01:24] <catfox> Fikrann, not there either. i'm gonna restart the whole config process.
[01:24] <Fikrann> catfox: which kernel version are you trying to install?
[01:24] <catfox> 2.6.11
[01:25] <andyN> catfox: hi, u into development??
[01:26] <Fikrann> catfox: Virtual memory file system in Pseudo File Systems in File systems.
[01:26] <catfox> andyN, not kernel stuff. i'm a python programmer
[01:26] <newbhie> catfox:wow
[01:26] <catfox> Fikrann, yeah, i've looked up in the .config file where they are, but they're not showing up in a make xconfig
[01:27] <kvidell> Bryan Cantrill is a hillarious little man.
[01:27] <andyN> catfox: python.... so u can do sites aswell??
[01:27] <catfox> Fikrann, :) just starting out really. went for a job as linux tech support, but got a job as a developer
[01:27] <kvidell> I saw him speak today. Was hillarious :)
[01:27] <Fikrann> catfox: ditch xconfig, use menuconfig.
[01:27] <kvidell> (He wrote DTrace in Solaris 10/11-OpenSolaris)
[01:27] <catfox> andyN, have done some. learning zope/plone at the moment
[01:27] <Fikrann> Mmmm... Plon.
[01:27] <Fikrann> *Plone
[01:27] <newbhie> catfox zope/plone?
[01:27] <andyN> catfox: sweet.....
[01:28] <catfox> newbhie, zope is an application server written in python (zope.org) and plone is a cms ontop of it (plone.org)
[01:28] <Fikrann> newbhie: look at www.plone.org
[01:29] <newbhie> thanks for the info...just new to world of linux..huhuhu
[01:30] <andyN> catfox: u interested in helping with a project??
[01:30] <Seveas> andyN, this in not #getyourprogrammershere
[01:31] <Fikrann> hehe
[01:31] <shanon> Seveas: 8)
[01:31] <catfox> andyN, what's the project? i don't have much spare time these days with lots to learn :S
[01:31] <newbhie> lol : )
[01:32] <Seveas> have you cooled down a bit? :)
[01:32] <andyN> catfox: a small linux project, but dont worry, if u dont hav time....
[01:32] <Thomas2> Hi ... CAn anyone give me a hint which http port ubuntus squid runs on?
[01:32] <newbhie> catfox are you one of the author of that CMS?
[01:32] <catfox> andyN, maybe in the future i'll be able to help out
[01:33] <Fikrann> Thomas2: 8080
[01:33] <stimpie> Thomas2, netstat -ln
[01:33] <catfox> newbhie, nope, we just use it at work for some of our systems
[01:33] <Fikrann> Or anything you configure it to run at.
[01:33] <newbhie> so your on LAMP also?
[01:33] <microhaxo> yea
[01:33] <microhaxo> im fine now
[01:34] <microhaxo> but Enemy Territory says im using mesa when i have ATI installed and working GLXGEARS 7000fps
[01:34] <Seveas> microhaxo, read the ET manual then
[01:34] <Seveas> probably you need to change some settings
[01:34] <microhaxo> i cant even get into it
[01:34] <microhaxo> this may sound stupid
[01:34] <microhaxo> but
[01:35] <Fikrann> You don't need to run the game to read it's manual.
[01:35] <microhaxo> i cant see the folder where it extracted it
[01:35] <microhaxo> :|
[01:35] <Seveas> hehe :)
[01:35] <microhaxo> i think its hidden
[01:35] <microhaxo> lol
[01:35] <catfox> Fikrann, thanks for the help before, i think i'm almost there now :)
[01:35] <Seveas> microhaxo, in the file manager: view -> show hidden files
[01:35] <Fikrann> catfox: You're welcome. }:>
[01:36] <microhaxo> k
[01:36] <microhaxo> :D
[01:37] <newbhie> fikrann: can i ask sumthin, if you mine?
[01:37] <microhaxo> this is odd
[01:37] <microhaxo> ETWOLF folder
[01:37] <microhaxo> with nothing in it
[01:37] <microhaxo> lol
[01:38] <Fikrann> newbhie: You can ask, but I'm not a mine.
[01:38] <newbhie> lol, are you linux guru?hehe
[01:39] <newbhie> maybe, you could help me out if i get mess with my Hoary...
[01:39] <Fikrann> Eight years of experience as a Linux admin. So not guru yet.
[01:39] <newbhie> waaaaaaaaa.....
[01:39] <GNULinuxer> Fikrann, not a newbie, not yet a guru
[01:39] <GNULinuxer> Fikrann, that's me/you
[01:39] <newbhie> I have only use linux for 2 months...lol
[01:40] <microhaxo> seveas how do i change this
[01:40] <microhaxo> GL_RENDERER: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:40] <Fikrann> microhaxo: read the fine manual you got along with your game.
[01:41] <Seveas> microhaxo, no idea
[01:41] <Seveas> i don't play ET :)
[01:41] <microhaxo> because for some reason im using ATI for 2d it seems and opengl or 3d is mesa?
[01:41] <cazabam> microhaxo: does GL stuff work for everything else?
[01:41] <microhaxo> wth
[01:41] <newbhie> Fikrann: so what other tool i can use to manage user on network? some sort of NIS.
[01:41] <microhaxo> yea
[01:41] <microhaxo> NExiuz
[01:41] <microhaxo> thats it
[01:41] <microhaxo> out of 3 games i have
[01:41] <microhaxo> thats the only one that works
[01:41] <microhaxo> lol
[01:42] <SS2> hello all how can i umunt a device although its still busy? (always get that error)
[01:42] <SS2> doing sudo umount -f
[01:42] <Choubaka> you shouldn't.
[01:42] <SS2> do you mean me?
[01:42] <Seveas> SS2, close everything that has files open on that drive...
[01:42] <Choubaka> yes. make sure you don't have any programs open accessing files in the mountpoint
[01:43] <SS2> well everything is closed
[01:43] <SS2> but still busy
[01:43] <andyN> ss2: when everythings closed, try umount again...
[01:43] <Seveas> SS2, lsof | grep /mount/point
[01:43] <SS2> nothing came out
[01:43] <microhaxo> Wow
[01:43] <microhaxo> GL_RENDERER: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:44] <Choubaka> SS2: you didn't copy that verbatim? :P
[01:44] <SS2> yes i did
[01:44] <microhaxo> "Bottom line...You must recompile your kernel with an appropriate apgart module and the Direct Rendering Manager module for Ati Radeon. "
[01:44] <Choubaka> SS2: well, duh. :P
[01:44] <Seveas> SS2, replace /mount/point with the real mountpoint..
[01:44] <tecywiz121> hi, I am wondering if it is possible to get java  in ubuntu and how?
[01:44] <cazabam> microhaxo: recompile kernel? sounds a bit fishy
[01:44] <Seveas> tecywiz121: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[01:44] <cazabam> tecywiz121: check ubuntuguide.com and see the appendix - full instructions
[01:44] <tecywiz121> ok thx
[01:45] <Seveas> cazabam, ubuntuguide sucks wrt java...
[01:45] <cazabam> worked for me
[01:45] <SS2> seveas what should i replace? i just type in /media/forxtern to umount cause its mouted there
[01:45] <SS2> mounted
[01:45] <Seveas> the only way java will continue working even with breezy is using make-jpkg
[01:45] <Fikrann> Seveas: Java generally sucks
[01:45] <Seveas> Fikrann, ack
[01:45] <Seveas> SS2, lsof | grep /media/forxtern
[01:45] <SS2> thx
[01:46] <Fikrann> SS2: you must switch to another directory
[01:46] <cazabam> seveas: in what way does ubuntuguide suck wrt java? (just wondering - seems fine to me)
[01:46] <Fikrann> SS2: always do cd / before you umount something.
[01:46] <Seveas> cazabam, bad instructions
[01:47] <tecywiz121> cazaban: Oh, I also have 64-bit does that make a difference? Last time (with fedora) I had to get firefox for i386
[01:47] <cazabam> seveas: oh. just says add backports and so the right 'apt-get install' - I followed them just yesterday and it worked :)
[01:47] <Seveas> cazabam, if you do it 'the ubuntuguide way', things will break if you start using multple versions of java or gcj (gcj will be introduced as obligatory in Breezy)
[01:47] <Seveas> cazabam, these instructions are fine :)
[01:47] <Seveas> the backports repo has a good package
[01:47] <Seveas> but backports generally suck
[01:47] <SS2> fikrann: so now i went out of the directory in the console and tryed it, nothing went
[01:48] <cazabam> tecywix121: ok, just follow these instructions - didn't know about the gcj problem
[01:48] <Seveas> andyN, for the last time: this is not a programmers recruiting channel
[01:48] <cazabam> looks like I'll be re-fraggling my java packages tonight...
[01:48] <Seveas> and jumping into provate chats is impolite
[01:48] <SS2> fikrann: but typing lsof | grep /media/forxtern brought me: gam_serve 8245      simon  183r      DIR       3,11     4096     97345 /media/fo rxtern/testzone
[01:48] <andyN> Seveas: sorry..... just trying to get help...
[01:48] <Seveas> andyN, try getting it somewere else..
[01:48] <afonic> hi there
[01:48] <tecywiz121> cazabam, sry but I have to go... l8er mabye
[01:49] <afonic> I have a weird problem descibed here:
[01:49] <afonic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42277
[01:49] <andyN> Seveas: i sense alot of hostility..... lol
[01:49] <Seveas> andyN, not really
[01:49] <afonic> I thought maybe any of you guys have something to suggest..
[01:49] <Seveas> but this is an Ubuntu help channel and you're creating noise
[01:50] <andyN> Seveas: you have to understand, im struggling with stuff.... do u know postgreSQL??
[01:50] <Choubaka> SS2: sp. that gam_server is reserving it :(
[01:50] <Fikrann> SS2: run kill 8245
[01:50] <Seveas> I have warned you...
[01:50] <SS2> choubaka: what is gam_server?
[01:50] <Choubaka> I have no idea :|
[01:51] <Choubaka> something gnome-related.
[01:51] <Seveas> SS2, it's a system process that can let other processes know when files have changed
[01:51] <Choubaka> ah, it's gamin?
[01:51] <Seveas> for instance to instantly refresh desktop and nautilus windows
[01:51] <Seveas> Choubaka, yes
[01:51] <Choubaka> I see.
[01:51] <SS2> so thanks all it worked:)
[01:51] <cazabam> gam_server is part of gamin file alteration monitor
[01:52] <SS2> ok never heard of it
[01:52] <Choubaka> mounting and unmounting is a bit confusing
[01:52] <newbhie> man mount and umount
[01:52] <Choubaka> especially when there can be some obscure app reserving the resource like in this case.
[01:52] <newbhie> info also
[01:53] <Choubaka> newbhie: I know how to use them thogh.
[01:53] <Fikrann> SS2: gam is a (smarter) replacement for FAM
[01:53] <albacker> root@galaxy:/mnt/hda5/BOOKS_eni/libra_te_marra_nga_ftp_html_etj # acroread unix.PDF
[01:53] <albacker> /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: No such file or directory
[01:53] <albacker> i have acroread installed..
[01:53] <Choubaka> newbhie: but it doesn't make mounting any less confusing
[01:53] <Seveas> albacker, there is a small error in the acroread package
[01:53] <newbhie> mount "device" "mount point"
[01:53] <albacker> Seveas any idea of what to do ?
[01:54] <Seveas> albacker, can you type the following command and paste the output on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:54] <newbhie> umount "device or mount point"
[01:54] <Seveas> slocate acroread
[01:54] <albacker> i installed acroread with apt-get. than removed and reinstalled the packages again. but the same problem
[01:54] <Choubaka> newbhie: I know. But think about it: You've closed all apps, and it still complains the resource is busy, even though no program is _obviously_ using it.
[01:54] <Choubaka> This is where a newbie would reboot.
[01:55] <Seveas> albacker, errors in packages don't magically go away when reinstalling them :)
[01:55] <Seveas> just type that command and put the output on the pastebin site, i'll teell you what to do next
[01:56] <albacker> i dont have slocate
[01:56] <newbhie> ah, I'm experiencing that also but after a minute i can umount the device...
[01:56] <afonic> hi there, I have a weird installation problem descibed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42277
[01:56] <afonic> any hints?
[01:56] <albacker> or is it locate : Seveas
[01:56] <Seveas> albacker, have you installed ubuntu in a very weird way..?
[01:56] <Choubaka> newbhie: the minute is too long :/
[01:56] <Seveas> afonic, if someone had hints, (s)he would have said it, please do not repeat so quickly
[01:56] <Choubaka> it would be cool if umount could inform apps and tell them to release their hold of a particular resource.
[01:57] <afonic> sorry, nobody replied so I thought you didn't read it
[01:57] <Choubaka> especially some monitors, like gamin
[01:57] <Seveas> afonic, try the mailing list if no one in here answers, the smart people aren't in the forum but on the mailing list
[01:57] <LokeDK> I've installed mplayer with apt-get but when i try to play a movie it crashes with the error MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[01:57] <afonic> thx dude, will do that too
[01:57] <albacker> Seveas, root@galaxy:/mnt/hda5/BOOKS_eni/libra_te_marra_nga_ftp_html_etj # whereis acroread
[01:57] <albacker> acroread: /usr/bin/acroread /usr/share/man/man1/acroread.1.gz
[01:57] <Fikrann> Choubaka: pmount might one day be able to do it, via dbus.
[01:57] <Choubaka> That'll be nice.
[01:57] <Seveas> albacker, whereis and slocate are different things
[01:58] <Seveas> try locate if slocate doesn't work, but slocate should be there...
[01:58] <Choubaka> usability goes up as unmounting and mounting becomes more transparent :)
[01:58] <SS2> one question: how cann i permanently kill esd? it always runs that i cant listen with alsa
[01:58] <albacker> Seveas, locate gives an error
[01:58] <Seveas> SS2, system->prefs->sound
[01:58] <Fikrann> Seveas: slocate is not mandatory package. Locate is.
[01:58] <Seveas> make sure enable sound server startup isn't selected
[01:58] <albacker> root@galaxy:/mnt/hda5/BOOKS_eni/libra_te_marra_nga_ftp_html_etj # locate acroread
[01:58] <albacker> locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory
[01:59] <Seveas> albacker, argh, you never ran updatedb :)
[01:59] <Seveas> albacker, run: updatedb
[01:59] <Fikrann> albacker: run updatedm
[01:59] <stimpie> albacker, run: updatedb&
[01:59] <SS2> ok its checked thx
[01:59] <albacker> Seveas, i have dialup
[01:59] <Seveas> as root, and wait, it takes some time
[01:59] <Choubaka> :P
[01:59] <Seveas> updatedb does nothing with internet
[01:59] <albacker> really ?
[01:59] <Fikrann> eh, listen to Seveas
[01:59] <Seveas> Fikrann, ubuntu-desktop depends on slocate...
[01:59] <Seveas> so slocate is part of the standard install...
[01:59] <Choubaka> Hmm
[01:59] <Fikrann> Seveas: Somehow, I had to install it manually...
[02:00] <Choubaka> Will Breezy ship with beagle integrated?
[02:00] <Seveas> Fikrann, maybe you don't have ubuntu-desktop installed
[02:00] <Seveas> Choubaka, yes
[02:00] <Choubaka> cool.
[02:00] <desplesda> woo! will the breezy kernel have inotify properly configured?
[02:00] <Choubaka> I tried installing beagle from backports, but it failed :P
[02:01] <Seveas> Choubaka, that's because backports suck
[02:01] <Choubaka> since it had the dependencies properly fscked up :D
[02:01] <albacker> Seveas, usr/bin/find: /proc/29179/task/29179/fd/4: No such file or directory
[02:01] <albacker> /usr/bin/find: /proc/29179/task/29179/fd/4: No such file or directory
[02:01] <albacker> /usr/bin/find: /proc/29179/task/29179/fd/4: No such file or directory
[02:01] <zerokills> sup guys
[02:01] <Fikrann> Choubaka: backports Should Be Avoided (TM)
[02:01] <Choubaka> Yeah.
[02:01] <Seveas> albacker, wtf are you doing..?
[02:01] <mjr> eiks nime saanut ainakin jossain vliss muutettua hetulla?
[02:01] <mjr> eihn se toki muuta ku vittuilua, mutta enivei ;)
[02:01] <albacker> updatedb
[02:01] <newbhie> can I install kubuntu on hoary by downloading the ISO?
[02:01] <Demian___> after a few days ubuntu gest a lot slower. Can I clean the memory or something. So make it go faster without restarting?
[02:01] <Fikrann> albacker: ignore these messages
[02:01] <Seveas> mjr, we speak english in here...
[02:01] <mjr> umm, wrong channel :)
[02:02] <Seveas> newbhie, just do aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:02] <Choubaka> mjr: heh :P
[02:02] <Seveas> that'll save you time
[02:02] <albacker> Seveas, : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/103
[02:02] <waxhead> anyone using netbeans by any chance?
[02:02] <Choubaka> Demian___: huh, slower?
[02:02] <Fikrann> Demian___: log out and in again.
[02:02] <newbhie> thanks Seveas...
[02:02] <mjr> Seveas,
[02:02] <Demian___> do I have to restat any progs then?
[02:03] <Demian___> cause then I might just as wel restart
[02:03] <Seveas> albacker, open /usr/bin/acroread in a text editor as root
[02:03] <Slomp> What is the point of running Kubuntu? The whole point of Ubuntu is that everything's setup nicely and it works with a pretty interface... If you're running Kubuntu, you might as well just run debian and select your own packages
[02:03] <Seveas> albacker, go to line 12
[02:03] <Slomp> or run Mandrake
[02:03] <Choubaka> Slomp: No.
[02:03] <cazabam> slomp: kubuntu has exactly the same philosophy, just with KDE rather than GNOME
[02:03] <Choubaka> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE.
[02:03] <Slomp> YES
[02:03] <Choubaka> for KDE people.
[02:03] <Slomp> Duh, I know it's got KDE
[02:03] <cazabam> in fact, I installed ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, so I have both :)
[02:03] <Slomp> but
[02:04] <cazabam> still ubuntu
[02:04] <Fikrann> Demian___: if you re-login most probable sources of any problems get restarted
[02:04] <Slomp> Kubuntu isn't Ubunutu
[02:04] <Seveas> albacker, and change /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread to  /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread
[02:04] <zerokills> i have gnome, kde, and xfce
[02:04] <Choubaka> yes it is
[02:04] <Seveas> Slomp, it is :)
[02:04] <cazabam> yes it is
[02:04] <Demian___> Fikrann, thnx
[02:04] <Slomp> What makes it Ubuntu?
[02:04] <sly> by chance is there a apt-get ubuntu cos i want to do it the other way round
[02:04] <Slomp> What "ubuntifiez" it?
[02:04] <zerokills> my preferred choice is xfce
[02:04] <Choubaka> Kubuntu = kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[02:04] <newbhie> Slomp: Gnome is a great window manager but it lacks of application...
[02:04] <albacker> Seveas, thanks
[02:04] <Slomp> If I paint my penis a certain colour will it be Ubuntu?
[02:04] <Seveas> Slomp, it just has a different set of packages installed by default
[02:04] <Dalkus> newbhie, you can run kde apps in gnome
[02:05] <Seveas> but they use the same repositories and are 100% interoperable...
[02:05] <albacker> Seveas,  # acroread unix.PDF
[02:05] <albacker> /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread must be executed from the startup script.
[02:05] <zerokills> yea slomp, paint it purple
[02:05] <Rockett17> haha
[02:05] <cazabam> slomp: you can install kubuntu and then ubuntu-desktop too
[02:05] <Choubaka> Slomp: No need to troll ;P
[02:05] <cazabam> slomp: not sure about penis-desktop though...
[02:05] <Slomp> Saveas: But the reason Ubuntu /is/ Ubuntu is cause it has a certain setup and a certain set of packages which make it all come together as one solid graphical experience.
[02:05] <sly> ^ thats answer to what i just asked , cheers :)
[02:05] <Fikrann> newbhie: GNOME is NOT a window manager.
[02:05] <waxhead> it's ok.. i think it was the nfs file system I was using in netbeans...
[02:05] <Choubaka> Slomp: Yes, Ubuntu is that too.
[02:05] <Seveas> albacker, then change   /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread to /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread.sh
[02:05] <Choubaka> err, kubuntu
[02:06] <Slomp> So what makes it Ubuntu then?
[02:06] <Choubaka> kubuntu is just a solid collection of packages from the KDE world.
[02:06] <Choubaka> The philosophy. and that it's part of the ubuntu project.
[02:06] <Loki_VA> hi people
[02:06] <cazabam> there is only a 111Mb difference to add kubuntu-desktop to ubuntu
[02:06] <cazabam> and KDE is about 100Mb...
[02:06] <desplesda> it's running the ubuntu base system, but runs KDE rather than GNOME
[02:06] <desplesda> same setup and maintenance
[02:06] <newbhie> KDE or GNOME...KDE is memory killer/ GNOME still in stage of application shortage?
[02:06] <desplesda> just a different UI
[02:06] <albacker> Seveas,  # acroread unix.PDF
[02:06] <albacker> ERROR: Cannot find installation directory.
[02:07] <Choubaka> newbhie: wtf?
[02:07] <Seveas> albacker, hmmmmmm
[02:07] <Choubaka> there's loads of apps for Gnome :|
[02:07] <Seveas> where did you get the acrobat reader package from
[02:07] <zerokills> brb
[02:07] <Choubaka> Loads.
[02:07] <newbhie> Thats why I will be using Gnome to run KDe apps.
[02:07] <Choubaka> Tell me one software you can find for KDE but not Gnome? :/
[02:07] <ivanox_> anyone can hint me on cool desktop apps for gnome?
[02:07] <Seveas> newbhie, please get some clue, there are lots of Gnome applications :)
[02:07] <newbhie> or xinit...lol then metacity...
[02:07] <Fikrann> Choubaka: amaroK!
[02:07] <albacker> Seveas, from the repos. using apt-get. i think we have to edit /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread.sh
[02:08] <Seveas> albacker, *which* repos?
[02:08] <newbhie> builtin chm viewer...
[02:08] <Choubaka> Fikrann: there's loads of apps like that for Gnome :P
[02:08] <albacker> Seveas, install_dir=REPLACE_ME  << in the .sh file
[02:08] <Choubaka> chm viewer. I have seen one in gnomefiles.org.
[02:08] <Riddell> Choubaka: k3b
[02:08] <Seveas> albacker, lol :) omg, where the hell did that package come from?
[02:08] <Fikrann> IMO, not as good as amaroK. *pets her beloved sound player*
[02:08] <Choubaka> Gnomebaker?
[02:08] <newbhie> i tried to alienize some sort of gnomechm...but i does'nt work.
[02:08] <Rockett17> heh
[02:09] <Seveas> Fikrann, Choubaka newbhie please stop the gnome/kde war
[02:09] <Fikrann> Choubaka: It should be named Gnomebreaker };>
[02:09] <Choubaka> :P
[02:09] <Seveas> you are creating noise...
[02:09] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[02:09] <Rockett17> watches the Gnome/KDE pissing contest
[02:09] <Fikrann> Ok.. just teasind
[02:09] <newbhie> waaaaaaaaaaa... :P sori
[02:09] <Fikrann> *teasing.
[02:09] <Seveas> albacker, replace REPLACE_ME with /usr
[02:09] <manitoba98xp> Hello, all. I have a 700 MHz Celeron CPU, and my CPU usage shoots straight up whenever I access the net for a significant amount of time (e.g: downloading large files). In fact, it sometimes freezes the system (I mean NO response to any keyboard strokes or mouse movements). I'm using ndiswrapper, which I suspect could be the problem. Can I force it to only use, 90% or something like that of the CPU? (BTW, I'm us
[02:09] <cazabam> I'm surprised nobody whipped out the XFCE joker ;)
[02:09] <Choubaka> I might use KDE when 4.0 is in Ubuntu.
[02:09] <Choubaka> cazabam: hah.
[02:09] <Choubaka> I use xfce4 :)
[02:10] <newbhie> gnome does'nt have kicker to be use in fluxbox...lol
[02:10] <Rockett17> as do I
[02:10] <Dalkus> I can't install acroread though synaptic or apt-get
[02:10] <cazabam> I just follow my whim - I have about 17 wms installed :)
[02:10] <Choubaka> Also, I want to see a cute Gnustep-based desktop environment
[02:10] <Seveas> Dalkus, backports has acroread 7
[02:10] <cazabam> including evilwm - muahaha
[02:10] <manitoba98xp> Can anyone help me?
[02:10] <Seveas> evilwm??
[02:10] <Seveas> Windows??
[02:10] <Choubaka> :D
[02:10] <albacker> it doesnt work
[02:10] <Dalkus> I'm in hoary - I'm not using backborts?
[02:11] <cazabam> no borders, no icons, no menus, no buttons, no nothing
[02:11] <Seveas> albacker, remove that package then
[02:11] <Choubaka> I have fluxbox, metacity, xfwm4, and icewm. and windowmaker
[02:11] <Seveas> albacker, and install acrobat reader 7 from backports :)
[02:11] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: What wifi card you have?
[02:11] <cazabam> http://www.6809.org.uk/evilwm/
[02:11] <sly> eww i cant stand icewm
[02:11] <Choubaka> I think it's nice.
[02:11] <cazabam> I don't like recent changes to icewm
[02:11] <newbhie> Choubaka: I've been working out to install xfce4 but i looks for some module...
[02:11] <cazabam> openbox ... a bit icky to configure, IIRC
[02:12] <cazabam> far too verbose XML
[02:12] <Choubaka> I just apt-get installed xfce4 :P
[02:12] <Fikrann> cazabam: I only used the gui configurator.
[02:12] <manitoba98xp> Fikrann: D-Link DWL-g510
[02:12] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: What chipset it runs on? Broadcom?
[02:13] <cazabam> anyone had any luck preventing gnome-volume-manager from starting in XFCE? I want to use ivman
[02:13] <cazabam> more configurabler
[02:13] <manitoba98xp> It runs on Atheros, but I can't get it to work with madwifi.
[02:13] <manitoba98xp> Google shows that most people use ndiswrapper.
[02:13] <Dalkus> cazabam, close the app, then save the xfce session - it shouldnt load next time
[02:13] <Seveas> cazabam, sudo chmod -x `which gnome-vlume-manager` :)
[02:13] <Fikrann> Intriguing.
[02:13] <manitoba98xp> (rev B1)
[02:14] <manitoba98xp> It reads as "0000:01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown device 001a (rev 01)"
[02:14] <jun> hi
[02:14] <jun> hi
[02:14] <manitoba98xp> It says it works on madwifi.sourceforge.net,  but it doesn't recognize it.
[02:14] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: Ask on #madwifi, they should be more able to help you, and perhaps they show you how to get the driver to work.
[02:14] <resiak> Seveas: Speeling?
[02:14] <manitoba98xp> I've tried compiling the latest version, but I get errors.
[02:14] <ivanox_> I got dwl g520 running with madwifi
[02:14] <Seveas> resiak, hm..?
[02:14] <manitoba98xp> Okay, so I should focus on getting madwifi to work, rather than getting ndiswrapper to be more greedy.
[02:14] <resiak> Seveas: 13:13 <@Seveas> cazabam, sudo chmod -x `which gnome-vlume-manager` :)
[02:15] <Seveas> buh :)
[02:15] <jun> uasgfirhaekgtraeuighka
[02:15] <ivanox_> u use the cvs for madwifi?
[02:15] <manitoba98xp> ivanox_, what did you do? Did you upgrade madwifi?
[02:15] <Loki_VA> how destructive have people found a upgrade vs a fresh install, i have 4.10 here but am concerned as I've had upgrade issues with other distros before..
[02:15] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: YES! ndiswrapper is BAD.
[02:15] <manitoba98xp> Yeah, I got CVS latest.
[02:15] <Seveas> jun, we speak english in here, not uasgfirhaekgtraeuighka :)
[02:15] <manitoba98xp> Hold on, I'm gonna paste my compile errors.
[02:15] <cazabam> seveas: good solution, might break one or two things ;)
[02:15] <Seveas> Loki_VA, upgrades warty->hoary are smooth
[02:15] <jun> seveas
[02:15] <cazabam> specifically, gnome ;)
[02:15] <Fikrann> Loki_VA: Upgrade should be very smooth.
[02:16] <ivanox_> u get any interface called athX ?
[02:16] <Seveas> Loki_VA: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[02:16] <Seveas> cazabam, ah well :)
[02:16] <Fabian> good afternoon
[02:16] <cazabam> good afternoon
[02:16] <Seveas> cazabam, i think you should hack into Xsession.d
[02:16] <Fabian> pfp, are you here?
[02:16] <manitoba98xp> ivanox_: no, I have no such interface
[02:16] <jun> seveas  u? male/female
[02:16] <Seveas> jun, does it even matter?
[02:16] <pfp> Fabian: yo
[02:16] <Loki_VA> im running fedora atm and dont really wanna wait for the iso to download.. (dialup)
[02:16] <Fabian> pfp, not sleeping any more?
[02:17] <jun> ok
[02:17] <manitoba98xp> ivanox_: it says it "could not find /root/madwifi/ath_hal/.hal.o.cmd for /root/madwifi/ath_h al/hal.o"
[02:17] <jun> seveas  you male
[02:17] <manitoba98xp> That causes several functions to be undefined.
[02:17] <Seveas> jun, please don't create noise, this is a support channel..
[02:17] <ivanox_> well, move the files over there then ? :P
[02:17] <Loki_VA> might give it a go i thinks
[02:17] <ivanox_> manitoba98xp, what u see under iwconfig ?
[02:17] <Thomas2> can anyone please tell me how to get Flash working in Firefox under ubuntu hoary?
[02:17] <Seveas> Thomas2: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:17] <manitoba98xp> Installing it then results in errors on boot. (It boots, but it complains about version mismatch)
[02:18] <jun> ok
[02:18] <ivanox_> hmm
[02:18] <manitoba98xp> What do you mean, "move the files over there then"?
[02:18] <pfp> Fabian: nah, woke up an hour ago (it's 15:18 btw :)
[02:18] <cazabam> seveas - ah, I didn't think it would start in there. seems to generic a place for such a gnome-specific thing
[02:18] <manitoba98xp> (By then, I mean installing it with those errors)
[02:18] <manitoba98xp> Move what files where?
[02:18] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: Are you sure you have full madwifi driver source?
[02:18] <snadge> im booting hoary on an old compaq marmada m700 laptop.. it said my screen might blank, but instead the screen is rolling all over the place
[02:18] <jun> where do you life seveas?
[02:18] <snadge> i cant read anything anymore :(
[02:18] <Fabian> pfp, you're one hour ahead? may I ask, where do you live?
[02:18] <manitoba98xp> I downloaded and untarred (with gz), cvs-current
[02:19] <pfp> Fabian: i'm going to work, so i'm back online in about 20 minutes
[02:19] <pfp> Fabian: helsinki, finland (you?)
[02:19] <Fabian> pfp, alright, cu later
[02:19] <manitoba98xp> I've also tried June 2 CVS, that didn't work either (same error)
[02:19] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: Do you have your kernel headers/source in place?
[02:19] <Fabian> pfp, Solothurn, Switzerland
[02:19] <snowblink> hi, gdesklets on hoary. How do I enable a sensor?
[02:20] <manitoba98xp> Headers, yep! linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 off the Hoary CD.
[02:20] <Fabian> pfp, I'll ask someone else in the meanwhile!
[02:20] <manitoba98xp> (My kernel image matches, I haven't upgraded it)
[02:20] <finlaylabs> cazabam: would you believe, another cd, exact same file cant be read? bsdutils.
[02:20] <manitoba98xp> I did install sharutils.
[02:20] <cazabam> finlaylabs: that's very freaky...
[02:21] <cazabam> do you have the option of continuing the install regardless?
[02:21] <finlaylabs> cazabam: is it possible to install from usb-connected drive?
[02:21] <Fabian> Seveas, have you got a little sparetime for me? ;)
[02:21] <cazabam> finlaylabs: probably...
[02:21] <Seveas> not really Fabian, bus leavesin 30 seconds :)
[02:21] <finlaylabs> no cant continue unless I skip "install base system". Didnt think id try :)
[02:21] <Fabian> Seveas, alright, then I'll ask someone else! :D
[02:23] <gh05t> hi all
[02:23] <sly> who was it who just said about apt-geting xfce4
[02:23] <sly> ?
[02:23] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: Are you sure you have gcc properly installed? }:>
[02:23] <Fikrann> heh
[02:23] <finlaylabs> anyone know how to install from a usb-connected hard-drive that has the install-cd files??
[02:24] <Thomas2> Flash, one more time ... the way described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats does not work. the package flashplugin-nonfree does not seem to exist in multiverse. any suggestions?
[02:24] <Fabian> anyone up for some help? I'd like to do the following: As I don't want to reinstall everything as it was before, I want to put my linux partition in a tar.gz file on a external USB harddisk. Is that possible? And if, how do I do this?
[02:24] <finlaylabs> cazabam: I thought freaky too...
[02:24] <Fikrann> finlaylabs: iso image with files or just a bunch of files?
[02:24] <Fikrann> Fabian: use partimage
[02:24] <Loki_VA> AdmiralCrunch, caffinated bacon? baconated grapfruit?
[02:24] <finlaylabs> either, I can write either to hdd
[02:24] <Dalkus> Fabian, tar cvzf whatever.tar.gz /
[02:25] <Dalkus> I think
[02:25] <AdmiralCrunch> Loki_VA: Futurama rules :P
[02:25] <Loki_VA> hehehe
[02:25] <Loki_VA> indeed
[02:25] <cazabam> finlaylabs: you could just copy the files off the CD to the usb drive, but you would still need to boot somehow
[02:25] <Loki_VA> off i go! apparently..
[02:25] <Fabian> Fikrann, partimage? can I put that back on my HD and it works exactly as before?`
[02:26] <Fikrann> finlaylabs: there is option to use iso image from hard disk
[02:26] <Fikrann> Fabian: yes
[02:26] <iveqy> hi, I've got a problem... I've a computer that cannot boot from a CD. I need to boot the ubuntu installation program from a floppy, and I haven't found any information on howto do this... A pointer to that information would be really nice :)
[02:26] <Fikrann> Fabian: google for partimage, it's really nifty tool.
[02:26] <Fabian> Fikrann, I'll have a look
[02:26] <finlaylabs> cazabam, Fikrann: if I can boot (say a different distro live cd), then how would I initiate install from usb hdd?
[02:27] <Fikrann> finlaylabs: you cannot do that.
[02:27] <finlaylabs> Fikrann: is there a faq for how to do "option to use iso image from hard disk"?
[02:27] <Fabian> Fikrann, other question: If I change the partitions afterwards, let's say prim to logical and put that stuff back, can I still boot? Or do I have to change GRUB somehow?
[02:27] <AdmiralCrunch> I will brb
[02:28] <gh05t> i need some help with my shell.... i want to copy all files of a dir to another dir, but the copied files should have a prefix at the beginning of their name (i.e. 'PREFIX<old filename>' ). How to do that?
[02:28] <snowblink> iveqy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[02:28] <iveqy> snowblink thank you :) saved my day
[02:28] <finlaylabs> Poor Fikrann getting swamped ;-)
[02:28] <Dalkus> gh05t, learn bash :) (it'll be a bash syntax, ask in a bash channel perhaps)
[02:29] <Fikrann> Fabian: partimage cannot setup grub.
[02:29] <gh05t> hmmm... where to find a bash channel or perhaps a goot tutorial?
[02:29] <Shufla> hello :)
[02:29] <Shufla> just 31minutes 2go :)
[02:29] <Fabian> Fikrann, no, but can I do this with my ubuntu live CD?
[02:29] <Shufla> gh05t: what do you need from bash? is scripting than ask google: advanced bash scripting
[02:29] <snowblink> gh05t, just cp then rename
[02:29] <Shufla> gh05t: if use - man readline, man bash.
[02:30] <iveqy> gh05t http://www.google.se/linux?hl=sv&q=bash+programming&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
[02:30] <cazabam> finlaylabs: not sure what else to suggest ATM as I don't have my ubuntu machine handy
[02:31] <Fikrann> Fabian: there is an option to use the iso image with packages in Ubuntu installer, so you must boot from ubuntu install disk.
[02:31] <Fikrann> Fabian: or perhaps floppy.
[02:31] <Fabian> Fikrann, ah really??? that'll be great!
[02:31] <finlaylabs> cazabam: np. Any idea how to do Fikrann's "there is option to use iso image from hard disk"
[02:32] <Fabian> Fikrann, but, can I use USB Disk, when installing???
[02:32] <finlaylabs> sounds like Fabian wants same as me...
[02:32] <Fabian> finlaylabs, what do you want? :D
[02:32] <Fikrann> Fabian: With a bit of prodding, yes.
[02:32] <cazabam> never heard of that option; sounds useful though
[02:33] <Fabian> Fikrann, how much of prodding, and prodding what?
[02:33] <klaas_> Helly everybody.
[02:33] <finlaylabs> Fabian: install ubuntu from a usb-connected hdd.  But writing to a removeable hdd is no problem.
[02:34] <klaas_> s/helly/hello/
[02:35] <finlaylabs> Fabian: each cd I burn read-fails at bdsutils in "Install base system". So Im lookin for alternate method.
[02:35] <Fabian> finlaylabs, I see....
[02:36] <cazabam> sounds like just the sort of thing the liveCD would be good for...
[02:36] <Davey> dammit, Zend doesn't support 5.1 yet ;)
[02:36] <cazabam> mount the external drive and run the installer, like slackware does
[02:37] <snadge> if i have a pcmcia netgear wifi card.. should i plug this in before booting ubuntu live? or is it ok to do it afterwards
[02:37] <finlaylabs> burn *another* cd :-\. Can try, dont like my chances.
[02:37] <sly> that situation dont sound good finalylabs
[02:37] <snadge> because after it booted.. i tried plugging it in, and its found the device but says unable to load driver
[02:38] <SteveA> i'm using the Disk Mounter panel applet on hoary, and i'm surprised it doesn't show usb storage devices
[02:38] <cazabam> finlaylabs: I don't know if the liveCD thing works... was just a thought
[02:39] <Shufla> 21 min :)
[02:39] <Shufla> and no problem to solve? :)
[02:39] <Whistler> hi everybody
[02:39] <cazabam> finlaylabs: is there a boot floppy available?
[02:39] <cazabam> hi Whistler
[02:39] <Whistler> http://www.collegesexadvice.com/sex.shtml
[02:39] <Whistler> this is good
[02:39] <finlaylabs> sly: one day will have to spend $ get another burner :-(
[02:39] <Whistler> its not porn
[02:39] <sly> well if its any consolation
[02:39] <sly> my dvd burner will brun nothing except music cd's
[02:39] <sly> no data/video disk of any sort
[02:39] <cazabam> finlaylabs: have you checked DMA etc for CD drive?
[02:40] <finlaylabs> DMA is?
[02:40] <sly> set to on hopfullt
[02:40] <sly> y*
[02:40] <cazabam> finlaylabs: DMA enables the drive to read/write directly rather than making the CPU marshal all writes - means that opening another program won't kill it
[02:40] <sly> very funny whistler
[02:41] <cazabam> finlaylabs: do 'sudo /dev/hd#' where # is the right device for your CD burner
[02:41] <ubermonzie> dont they call it stealing cycles. cazabam ?
[02:41] <Whistler> :D
[02:41] <finlaylabs> cazabam: you talking on the write or the read machine?
[02:41] <cazabam> write machine
[02:41] <finlaylabs> then try writing again?
[02:42] <cazabam> hmmm....
[02:42] <pfp> Fabian: lo, did you find out anything?
[02:43] <cazabam> are the read and write machines both desktop machines?
[02:44] <finlaylabs> both laptops actually
[02:44] <cazabam> finlaylabs: ah. was just going to suggest swapping burner across to other machine for the duratiojn of the install :)
[02:44] <Fabian> pfp, yep. got told to use partimage and store it on the usb device. Then reinstall and tell ubuntu install CD to use that image
[02:44] <cazabam> *duration
[02:44] <Fabian> pfp, googling on partimage right now
[02:45] <ivanox_> after I have installed the nvidia driver(not the latest nvidia ver) throught apt-get what should I do ?
[02:45] <pfp> Fabian: i see, cool
[02:45] <finlaylabs> cazabam: not likely :-)
[02:45] <pfp> Fabian: i'm not familiar w/ partimage though
[02:47] <finlaylabs> cazabam: tryin something bold, copying all cd contents to /target, will see if I can find something to run install then.
[02:48] <cazabam> finlaylabs: sounds likea  plan
[02:48] <cazabam> finlaylabs: if you can get the target machine to boot, I would hope that there is an installer executable you could run?!?
[02:48] <cazabam> finlaylabs: not sure of the structure of the CDs off hand
[02:48] <Fabian> pfp, what would be your suggestion then? Can I use the external USB device? would be much faster!
 if nvidia is the same as it was on redhat. you will need to change the driver line in the xorg.conf to "nvidia"
 then restart X
[02:49] <pfp> Fabian: an usb harddisk? yes, with that it'll be much more comfortable, whatever software you use
[02:49] <finlaylabs> cazabam: how to cp all subdirectories? Only top-level files are copying?
[02:50] <cazabam> finlaylabs: cp -a [src]  [dst]
[02:51] <Fabian> pfp, alright, got 2 GB reserved as an ext3 on there
[02:51] <pfp> Fabian: ooh, partimage looks indeed cool.. why didn't i know this before :)
[02:52] <Fabian> pfp, so new idea?
[02:53] <finlaylabs> cazabam: copying... (   cp -a /cdrom/* /target/home/installfiles/   )
[02:53] <ivanox_> what is the command I have to use to upgrade index of all files before searching?
[02:53] <pfp> Fabian: i think partimage could save some manual work.. yep, i'd go with it
[02:53] <finlaylabs> 'course we shall see if bsdutils can be read or not huh.
[02:54] <Fabian> pfp, so boot from live cd?
[02:55] <cazabam> finlaylabs: heh, yeah... sounds like this partimage malarkey could be useful
[02:56] <finlaylabs> cazabam: sounds above me...
[02:57] <pfp> Fabian: if the livecd has partimage... hmm, i wonder how safe it would be to make the backup on your running system. one problem might be that there's a tmpfs mounted over /dev, which obscures the static device nodes that exist under /dev in the root filesystem
[02:57] <cazabam> finlaylabs: this should help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html
[02:58] <cazabam> looks like exactly what you need - no CD burning involved!
[02:58] <pfp> Fabian: running from livecd wouldn't have that problem at least
[02:58] <|Ivanch0|> enass
[02:58] <GNULinuxer> bob2, which package will install the 686 kernel in one go?
[02:59] <Fabian> pfp, so hang on, I gotta do something else, and then I'll boot from live cd.  Can I delete ubuntu-desktop when I have kubuntu-desktop installed ?
[03:04] <bpuccio> OSX is case sensitive as well
[03:04] <finlaylabs> cazabam: cp->Read error. No surprises huh
[03:04] <Riddell> airox: yes, sudo apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0
[03:04] <airox> Riddell: Ok, thanks.
[03:05] <kent> stjepan why is it stupid?  speaking technicaly, there is and should be a difference between 's' and 'S'.
[03:05] <bpuccio> airox: yes, ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package used to pull in a bunch of dependcies, you might wantto install it if you dist-upgrade to breezy in a while just to get whatever new packages ubuntu wants, but aside from that, no issues
[03:05] <airox> Ok, great.
[03:06] <stjepan> kent, why? I do not understand
[03:06] <david> do i need to install the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin in order to view mpgs and avi files?
[03:06] <stjepan> I am not taking linux down, I am just trying to understand something ;)
[03:06] <kzm> Anybody know about tools that use DNS LOC information?  Just exploring it, so I'm just looking for coolness factor here...
[03:07] <kestas> is it worth switching from samba to nfs?
[03:07] <cazabam> finlaylabs: :(
[03:07] <kestas> samba is giving me grief
[03:07] <kent> stjepan what dont you understand?  that 's' and 'S' are not the same?  They are diffrent characters. Try learning some C programming and you will see. It can be worked around for sure, but since even normal language differ between 's' and 'S' why should Linux?
[03:07] <finlaylabs> cazabam: np. will overcome this one day :-)
[03:08] <cazabam> finlaylabs: just thought of something completely evil...
[03:08] <stjepan> kent, I know C# and C++
[03:08] <pfp> nfs is very talented in causing grief too, but once you've set it up, it's ok
[03:08] <finlaylabs> cazabam: will try transfer files with removeable hdd, and see.. Oh? Go on..
[03:09] <cazabam> finlaylabs: just thought that you could install to the removable HDD, then copy the system to the hard disk
[03:09] <pfp> .. ok as in "install and forget", unless you need to reboot often / have laptops or something
[03:09] <cazabam> finlaylabs: but then you would need to set up grub, obviously
[03:09] <david> do i need to install the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin in order to view mpgs and avi files?
[03:10] <kent> stjepan  it was some time since i played with c++, but surely it differs between 's' and 'S'?  Try to compare a char with 's' and one with 'S' and you will see that they are not the same.
[03:10] <finlaylabs> cazabam: or swap drives and install using write computer, then swap back... device setups will be bad but..?
[03:10] <cazabam> finlaylabs: that was my other, more evil suggestion ;)
[03:10] <david> also, why do i need the gstreamer-mad plugin? mp3s playback just fine without it installed using the default music player, rhythmbox?
[03:10] <kent> stjepan but i must go now. Its not a huge problem for you hopefully :)
[03:10] <cazabam> finlaylabs: although it would only be X that would need reconfiguring, the rest should just hotplug
[03:11] <finlaylabs> really? then thats an option.
[03:11] <peppo> I'm going to burn a CD with stuff I need to build Ardour on a computer that has no internet connection... among other things it needs SCons. have can I do this? I need to see depends via the web
[03:11] <cazabam> finlaylabs: absolutely. it'd actually be easier, now I think about it
[03:11] <david> do i need to install the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin in order to view mpgs and avi files?
[03:11] <david> do i need to install the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin in order to view mpgs and avi files?
[03:12] <david> also, why do i need the gstreamer-mad plugin? mp3s playback just fine without it installed using the default music player, rhythmbox?
[03:12] <cazabam> david: nope - check ubuntuforums and search for 'multimedia' for more info
[03:12] <david> cazabam: thanks
[03:13] <cazabam> david: k
[03:13] <kestas> anyone got an opinion on samba vs nfs?
[03:13] <cazabam> finlaylabs: when you swap the disks back, do ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to fix it
[03:13] <cazabam> kestas: yes - smb might suck, but NFS is worse :)
[03:13] <stjepan> do you know any other program like kmouth?
[03:14] <kestas> cazabam: k thanks, are there any better alternatives or is samba the best?
[03:15] <kevi> hallo
[03:15] <finlaylabs> cazabam: thanks for the tip. I may do some work then try it later tonight! Will let you know...
[03:15] <cazabam> kestas: samba is the best supported. e.g. in nautilus and konqueror support it 'out of the box'
[03:15] <GNULinuxer> kevi, hi
[03:15] <cazabam> finlaylabs: ok :)
[03:15] <ivanox_> how do I restart x ? (without rebooting)
[03:15] <kevi> is hier ok 1 nederlander ????
[03:16] <GNULinuxer> ivanox_, Cttl+Alt+Backspace
[03:16] <ivanox_> but then it just closes without saving anything right?
[03:16] <ivanox_> if I log out and log in will it kill x?
[03:16] <snadge> can i boot ubuntu without framebuffer support?
[03:16] <GNULinuxer> ivanox_, ya
[03:17] <ivanox_> kill/restart I mean
[03:17] <GNULinuxer> ivanox_, you log out ... then Ctrl+Alt+backspace
[03:17] <snadge> i have an ati rage mobility chipset in my laptop.. fb console seems to work okay.. but when i start X theres a bit of screen corruption and a horizontal bar thats near the top of the screen
[03:17] <stjepan> oh
[03:17] <stjepan> how can I extract .gz file?
[03:18] <morf3o> http://www.gianky.com/microzoft/msbug.htm
[03:18] <ivanox_> ok, cool thanks for that :)
[03:18] <deviant>  after i adde a masquerading rule to iptables i have problems with my internet connection. when i download something, after aprox 1 minute the download speed starts to lower, then it stops. any sugestions?
[03:18] <usynic> stjepan: gzip -d
[03:18] <pfp> kestas: nfs is good, unless you need to reboot often or have laptops that move in and out of network a lot
[03:19] <stjepan> usynic, tnx ;)
[03:19] <osity> any raid experst please message me
[03:19] <pfp> kestas: nfs can be a horrible bitch to set up though, but after that it's quite transparent
[03:20] <ivanox_> when I have installed the nvidia driver, is there any command that allow me to see which drivers I have installed? like it will list "nv" and "nvidia" ??
[03:20] <pfp> osity: if it's softraid, i have some experience
[03:20] <stjepan> bash: ./leds: Permission denied
[03:20] <stjepan> what is the problem?
[03:20] <stjepan> :O
[03:20] <kestas> pfp: hmm that sounds like what I need actually
[03:20] <cazabam> stjepan: just a guess... chmod +x ./leds ?
[03:21] <kestas> pfp: the server which runs samba atm doesnt go down, I just want something which behaves just like a normal part of your filesystem and doesnt have any odd quirks
[03:21] <kestas> smb has a bunch
[03:21] <stjepan> cazabam, yes
[03:21] <stjepan> oh
[03:21] <stjepan> ./leds: relocation error: ./leds: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
[03:21] <kestas> like I cant rename things in nautilus, it just lets you rename for 1 sec then closes the rename input thing
[03:21] <kestas> and sometimes files just dont show up
[03:21] <cazabam> kestas: nfs is good for 'long term' network shares and is treated as a mount - this is also possible with samba although it is more painful
[03:21] <kestas> damn annoying
[03:22] <PhantomFreak> Having trouble with ScummVM in Ubuntu... I used the Synaptic Package Manager version, but it isn't the latest version... But when I download the latest version from ScummVM.org, in a debian binary it wont install. How can I get the latest version to work?
[03:22] <jbailey> stjepan: Err.  How did you get that error?
[03:22] <pfp> kestas: yep, and smb isn't really native to unix...
[03:22] <kestas> hmm guess Ill look into nfs then
[03:23] <cazabam> pfp: samba is native to unix, even though smb isn't
[03:23] <cazabam> pfp: although it is 'bug for bug' compatible ;)
[03:24] <maxy_noob> Would someone kindly tell me how to navigate to a directory using terminal?
[03:24] <pfp> kestas: i recommend using NFS in a permanent mount, in fstab (like cazabam said)... the only quirk afaik is the lack for locking in nfs, so having eg. parts of /var or /tmp on it may not be wise
[03:25] <maxy_noob> I don't know what the command is
[03:25] <_root_> *going*
[03:25] <pfp> cazabam: true :) i was thinking of permissions, ownership etc - i don't think these can be used in a sane manner w/ samba
[03:25] <maxy_noob> anybody?
[03:25] <peppo> all SCons depends on is a python2.4 install right?
[03:27] <maxy_noob> ok, how about a concrete example? I have an installer on my desktop and I want to navigate to it in the terminal. How do I get to it?
[03:27] <cazabam> pfp: I think kestas has gone :) ah well... he'll get on just fine with NFS :-/
[03:27] <sly> cd ~/Desktop
[03:27] <sly> ?
[03:28] <maxy_noob> sly, thanks, I'll try
[03:28] <sly> maxxy ~ = Home Directory
[03:29] <sly> or cd /home/USER/Desktop
[03:29] <babytooth> hi
[03:29] <maxy_noob> It says no such directory exists. :(
[03:30] <maxy_noob> Directory had to be capitalized. Thanks!
[03:30] <sly> yeh case sensitive
[03:33] <tweakism_> Seveas: eh?  I don't.
[03:35] <ivanox> wtf, I installed nvidia-glx through apt-get, then I changed from "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf, logged out, restarted x, (saw nvidia logo) logged in, and the pc hang. softreseted, logged in again, and another hangup. so I have to change back to "nv"
[03:36] <ivanox> anyone got any idea why it hangs as soon as I login?
[03:38] <maxy_noob> Question: is there still no shockwave player for linux?
[03:38] <deviant> guys , is there any tweeks for mplayer in order to run dvd more smoothly ?
[03:38] <deviant> *are there?
[03:38] <sly> deviant that sounds more like a dma problem
[03:39] <ivanox> installed some other nvidia shit now, gonna try again
[03:39] <deviant> sly: meaning ? i don`t have dma activated?
[03:39] <sly> meaning it sounds like its set to off yes
[03:39] <deviant> sly: how do i set it to on
[03:40] <chrissturm> is there anything i can do to get automounting working with the breezy kernel?
[03:41] <snadge> argh.. after downloading 2.72 gigs of hoary hedgehog
[03:41] <juha_> how i can make myself back to admin so i can do all root's stuff? Add new users etc...?
[03:41] <snadge> i discover that it contains an old version of the madwifi driver which doesnt work
[03:41] <juha_> i removed myself from that and now i can't add new users even with root user
[03:41] <juha_> xD
[03:41] <sly> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:42] <sly> ^ says up on there sumwhere deviant
[03:42] <juha_> oh...
[03:42] <juha_> jes!
[03:42] <juha_> i get it work again
[03:42] <juha_> i change in sudoers in root
[03:42] <deviant> sly: up there ...where?
[03:42] <juha_> huh...
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> hey there :-)
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> helo
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> what you up to now hardware bob? (heh) :-)
[03:43] <babytooth> what's sudo... i can not find it on my system...
[03:43] <demantik> can anybody explain this for me?....when i run ./configure (glibc-2.3.5) i get this...
[03:43] <demantik> checking for gcc... gcc
[03:43] <demantik> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:43] <black_Nightmare> babytooth..its under terminal
[03:43] <juha_> but... what the hell?
[03:43] <juha_> i can't still do anything in gnome when i'm root
[03:43] <jbailey> demantik: Look in your config.log
[03:43] <demantik> ok
[03:43] <jbailey> demantik: Why are you compiling a new glibc?
[03:44] <babytooth> sigh... it is not there
[03:44] <cazabam> demantik: have you got build-essential?
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> babytooth: grinding and drinking coffe
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> e
[03:44] <babytooth> ok...
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> if you must know
[03:44] <cazabam> babytooth: if you start synaptic, and it asks you for your password... that's sudo :)
[03:44] <juha_> i clicked "Users and groups" or etc... (Kyttjt ja ryhmt in finnish) and it say's something that i can't do that...
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> demantik: apt-get install build-essential
[03:44] <demantik> jbailey - i tried installing xfce, installer bin...and it said i need glib lol
[03:44] <demantik> alright ill see if i have that
[03:44] <jbailey> demantik: glib and glibc are *not* the same thing...
[03:44] <juha_> how can i add new users graphically with root?
[03:45] <sly> demantick why not just apt-get install xfce4
[03:45] <demantik> oops..yeah i know...
[03:45] <cazabam> demantik: glibc != glib!!! glibc is rather more fundamental!
[03:45] <chrissturm> demantik: dont upgrade glibc!
[03:45] <babytooth> jbailey:  hehe
[03:45] <jbailey> demantik: That way lies madness, please don't do that. =)
[03:45] <demantik> hmm..
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> just curious if there are any people who know a bit about video systems (especially difference between pal and nstc) .. if not then no problem
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> black_Nightmare: they're both terrible
[03:45] <ivanox> omg, when I change driver to "nvidia" I manage to login, but when I try to open a terminal the whole system just freezes, and I have to reset back to "nv"
[03:45] <cazabam> jbailey: I once installed an LFS type system entirely in the /usr/local of a redhat 6 system - that was mad
[03:45] <demantik> uh oh..
[03:45] <demantik> i think im in the same crappy loop that made me reinstall ubuntu last time!
[03:45] <jbailey> demantik: glib is already packages, "apt-cache search libglib" should get you the package names.
[03:46] <cazabam> black_nightmare: PAL = Picture Always Lame, NTSC = Never Twice Same Colour :)
[03:46] <babytooth> demantik:  you are crazy
[03:46] <demantik> LOL
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> caza....you are way too funny :p
[03:46] <jbailey> cazabam: Right.  And I'm all about people learning these tools and doing lfs systems and such.  Just that, say, your compiler is a better place to start than your C library. =)
[03:46] <babytooth> demantik:  wrong woman matchs wrong man
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> anyway the question was...whats different about reading a pal vhs verus reading a nstc vhs? :p
[03:47] <jbailey> demantik: You shouldn't need to reinstall, usually you can recover with apt-get --reinstall install FOO
[03:47] <demantik> jbaily - Checking for GLib (GModule) >= 2.2.0... why?
[03:47] <jbailey> demantik: where FOO is the package that you think you've broken somehow.
[03:47] <demantik> ah ok
[03:47] <jbailey> demantik: What are you compiling by hand? =)
[03:48] <cazabam> jbailey: you might have a point there... I never did get libstdc++ or locales to work ever again...
[03:48] <demantik> xfce4-4.2.2-installer.bin when trying to run that, thats the error it gave me
[03:48] <jbailey> demantik: And are you doing it to learn or because you want the package?  If you're doing it to learn, great.  Otherwise anything you want is likely in Ubuntu somewhere. =)
[03:48] <ivanox> any clue on how I can fix this: "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." ??
[03:48] <demantik> about GLib (GModule)
[03:48] <demantik> LOL..really all i want to do is install XFCE! :(
[03:48] <snadge> what version of madwifi drivers is in breezy?
[03:48] <jbailey> demantik: "apt-cache search xfce"
[03:48] <demantik> ok
[03:48] <Rockett17> apt-get install xfce4
[03:48] <jbailey> You'll find that xfce is already all there. =)
[03:49] <Whistler> how can i know what version of ubuntu i use now?
[03:49] <babytooth> demantik:  it's a simple cake
[03:49] <sly> demantik i told you to apt-get xfce4 just 3mins ago
[03:49] <demantik> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:49] <demantik> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[03:49] <sly> update your stuff
[03:49] <Whistler> how can i know what version of ubuntu i use now?
[03:49] <demantik> not good..hah.
[03:49] <demantik> ok
[03:49] <jbailey> Whistler:  /bin/lsb_release -a
[03:49] <snadge> are madwifi drivers in breezy newer than in hoary hedgehog.. i tried to use livecd but my madwifi card is unsupported :(
[03:49] <juha_> always when i try to log in root to change users & groups in graphically it says "failed to run user-admin: Child terminated with 1 status"
[03:50] <juha_> what i can do?
[03:50] <black_Nightmare> nevermind..found someone else to explain to me :p
[03:50] <babytooth> Is xfce good?
[03:50] <demantik> apt-get just cant find xfce... :|
[03:50] <sly> sly@LightSpeed:~$ sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:50] <sly> Reading package lists... Done
[03:50] <sly> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:50] <sly> xfce4 is already the newest version.
[03:50] <sly> need to update your sources damantik
[03:50] <Whistler> if i run smart update will ubuntu update to 5.04?
[03:50] <babytooth> xfce3 > xfce4
[03:51] <demantik> sly - exactly how do i do this....sorry for not being an expert hah
[03:51] <cazabam> babytooth: xfce is very nifty and quick. xfce4 is latest, greatest, rockingest
[03:51] <demantik> i havent had any problems with this before..
[03:51] <osity> anyone setup raid1 ????....
[03:51] <babytooth> that is e17...
[03:51] <sly> demantik
[03:51] <sly> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:51] <demantik> k
[03:51] <Whistler> if i run smart update will ubuntu update to 5.04?
[03:52] <sly> should explain most things :)
[03:52] <sly> and yes babytooth xfce4 is realy good, depending what you want
[03:52] <osity> anyone know what the raid setup in Ubuntu does? is it bootable?
[03:52] <babytooth> oh
[03:52] <demantik> ffs...i just updated the lists...and it still doesnt find it...ahh...
[03:52] <sly> that was quick updateing
[03:53] <Whistler> anybody can answer me?
[03:53] <cazabam> whistler: if you have warty and stick hoary sources in apt, then apt-get dist-upgrade will do the upgrade, yes
[03:54] <Whistler> cazabam i started smart update thru synaptic
[03:54] <Whistler> is that ok?
[03:54] <thenuke> Whistler: it wont do anything if you dont change the repositories
[03:54] <deviant>  how can i turn on DMA to my hard drive (/dev/hda)
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[03:54] <thenuke> oh well, it will upgrade the warty packages to latest warty packages :-) but it wont upgrade to hoary unless you change those repositories
[03:55] <cazabam> deviant: more permanently, read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[03:56] <cazabam> whistker: as thenuke said, you need to get the hoary repositories from ubuntuguide.org first
[03:56] <Whistler> i am downloading
[03:56] <Whistler> from Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 [4822kB]
[03:56] <Whistler> is this ok?
[03:56] <cazabam> yep, that'll do it
[03:56] <deviant> HrdwrBoB: that would be -d1 or -D1 ?
[03:56] <Whistler> ok thx
[03:57] <snadge> can someone tell me what the different vga= options do?
[03:57] <snadge> im getting display corruption.. tried 771, doesnt quite work properly
[03:57] <babytooth> deviant:  useless
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> deviant: it is exactly what I said :)
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> -d1
[03:57] <babytooth> deviant:  dma is default...
[03:57] <demantik> sly - im an idiot...in my sources list, for some reason i had the hoary ones commented out...lol.
[03:58] <cazabam> snadge: enables different video or framebuffer modes. if in doubt do vga=normal
[03:58] <deviant> HrdwrBoB: yeah. i`ve just read the man page :)
[03:58] <demantik> two of em...
[03:58] <guupsta> oooh mailman brought my hoary cd's
[03:58] <deviant> babytooth: how do i find of if it is or not?
[03:58] <babytooth> -C
[03:58] <babytooth> Is it?
[03:59] <cazabam> deviant: hdparm /dev/hda will list all current options, including DMA
[03:59] <babytooth> -c...
[04:00] <deviant> cazabam: there`s no DMA specification there
[04:00] <deviant> cazabam: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/104
[04:01] <deviant> oh yeah, it is
[04:01] <deviant> sorry
[04:01] <cazabam> deviant: hehe it's already on ,anyway
[04:02] <cazabam> babytooth: -c checks 32bit i/o, and -C checks the power mode status
[04:02] <babytooth> umm
[04:03] <babytooth> hdparm -Cv <device>      ^^
[04:04] <sly> hehe demantik so it apt-gets it now yeh ?
[04:04] <deviant> what player is better: mplayer or vlc?
[04:04] <babytooth> ?
[04:04] <sly> maybe i should have join/part msgs on
[04:05] <babytooth> 3 best players
[04:05] <babytooth> the one of three
[04:05] <babytooth> but wxgtk2...
[04:06] <sly> babytooth sorry if this is inculting but that sounds like a womans name :)
[04:06] <babytooth> o_o
[04:06] <Drako60> why do i get sub-process gzip returned an error code when trying to extract the packages.gz from the security repo?
[04:08] <sly> sorry babytooth
[04:08] <babytooth> ?
[04:08] <babytooth> what sorry?
[04:08] <babytooth> -_-||
[04:09] <LadyFrost> babytooth: He's apologising for saying your nickname sounds like a lady's...
[04:09] <LadyFrost> I think.
[04:09] <babytooth> so what? ^^
[04:09] <juha_> wtf?
[04:09] <juha_> i tryed to change firefox settings and it says
[04:09] <juha_> XML Jsennysvirhe: Syntaksivirhe Sijainti: chrome://browser/content/pref/pref.xul Rivi numero 1, sarake 7: root.disabled = "true";
[04:10] <sly> juha what was you trying to change ?
[04:10] <juha_> i can't change start page or empty history etc...
[04:10] <juha_> i tryed to open preferences...
[04:10] <juha_> or whatever it is in english
[04:10] <juha_> at firefox
[04:10] <babytooth> firefox <- bad ass
[04:11] <babytooth> extensions...
[04:11] <LadyFrost> juha_: Sounds like syntax error. Try restart. (windows-solution, I know....)
[04:11] <sly> juha how did you install firefox ................. apt-get or other ?
[04:11] <juha_> doesn't it be installed already when you install ubuntu 5.04 hoary?
[04:11] <LadyFrost> babytooth: Which web browser do you prefer then?
[04:12] <sly> not on my install no
[04:12] <LadyFrost> juha_: Expert or
[04:12] <LadyFrost> Fuck.
[04:12] <babytooth> mozilla ... all in one... free and opensource all
[04:12] <babytooth> no flash & java
[04:12] <LadyFrost> (why is return and backspace right next to each other...?)
[04:12] <juha_> no... not expert... i press enter in start and it started to install whole system
[04:13] <juha_> *i pressed only
[04:13] <pfp> juha_: restart your firefox...
[04:13] <juha_> bad english
[04:13] <juha_> ok
[04:13] <babytooth> ?
[04:14] <LadyFrost> babytooth: You like open source? :)
[04:14] <babytooth> why not?
[04:14] <LadyFrost> babytooth: It's a good thing, isn't it?
[04:14] <babytooth> no
[04:15] <pfp> juha_: #ubuntu-fi on mys olemassa...
[04:15] <LadyFrost> I prefer open source.
[04:15] <babytooth> too many people...
[04:15] <LadyFrost> (You'll have to excuse my english, I can't express myself any good)
[04:16] <juha_> pfp, juu ja yritin saada apua siella...
[04:16] <babytooth> I hope the source is only open to me
[04:16] <LadyFrost> babytooth: Why?
[04:16] <babytooth> ^^
[04:16] <babytooth> not to hackers
[04:17] <sly> the only way that is gonna happen is if you write it
[04:17] <LadyFrost> sly: And close it...
[04:17] <babytooth> oh...
[04:17] <babytooth> evil...
[04:17] <pfp> juha_: kas enp huomannu, oli pommi tiltiss tossa aamupivn
[04:17] <klaym> is linux's open source core a security threat for the user?
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> babytooth: bad people having the code results in no more security problems than otherwise
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> klaym: no.
[04:18] <babytooth> but you would not stop hackers
[04:18] <LadyFrost> klaym: I wouldn't say so. I prefer beliving that it make's it safer :)
[04:18] <Ycros> babytooth: yes, but closing your source doesn't stop hackers either
[04:18] <babytooth> hack hack hack
[04:18] <LadyFrost> (my good, my typing is so SLOW!)
[04:18] <Ycros> babytooth: fix fix fix
[04:19] <Ycros> opening your source means many more people can find and fix security issues!
[04:19] <Ycros> very fast
[04:19] <sly> correct babytooth you will not stop hackers finding holes in software so what difference does it make to you personally , if the source is open or otherwise
[04:19] <babytooth> too late too late
[04:19] <LadyFrost> Ycros: openoffice!
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> babytooth: if you want to be technical, most of the people working on linux are hackers
[04:19] <LadyFrost> (/me don't like word)
[04:19] <klaym> so you shouldn't keep your top secret files on a computer that's connected to the net, anyway (be it windows or linux)
[04:19] <Ycros> babytooth: consider many companies with closed source software, bugs can be found and fixed months later
[04:20] <Ycros> that's a long time
[04:20] <babytooth> after hacking
[04:20] <Ycros> exactly
[04:20] <verbosus> hello there
[04:20] <verbosus> I'm checking out the LiveCD
[04:20] <Ycros> many security bugs in open source software are found before they are exploited
[04:20] <cazabam> hello!
[04:20] <verbosus> is there a way to boot without Xwindows?
[04:20] <babytooth> if developer = hacker ? O_O
[04:20] <sly> basiclay babytooth yes thats correct
[04:20] <babytooth> time is shorter
[04:20] <pfp> verbosus: update-rc.d remove gdm  <- form memory
[04:20] <pfp> from*
[04:20] <cazabam> babytooth: developer == hacker && developer != cracker
[04:20] <klaym> if there is a security issue found in the system, does it take longer to get it fixed in Windows or in Ubuntu? :) how much?
[04:21] <verbosus> pfp: at the main prompt?
[04:21] <housetier> update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[04:21] <forsaker8k6> ohi people :)
[04:21] <pfp> verbosus: in a shell, as root (or use sudo)
[04:21] <babytooth> well,oss... who's god?
[04:21] <cazabam> klayfm: fastest in ubuntu, order of magnitude faster - MS can sit on bugs and just not tell anyone
[04:21] <Ycros> cazabam: I wouldn't agree with that statement, I believe a person can be any combination of three
[04:21] <verbosus> pfp: I put the LiveCD into the drive, it boots and I get to the prompt where I have to press ENTER
[04:22] <pfp> hmm, what prompt is that
[04:22] <cazabam> Ycros: OK the, all hackers are developers, but not all developers are hackers
[04:22] <verbosus> the very first
[04:22] <verbosus> I haven't yet booted
[04:22] <cazabam> Ycros: not all crackers are hackers and not all crackers are developers
[04:22] <housetier> LokeDK, are you running breezy by any chance?
[04:22] <_kevin> I download this program p7zip and it is a binary file, the read me says that the program has been tested and works on debian and i try to open the bin file but nothing opens up
[04:22] <Ycros> cazabam: no, you don't have to be a developer to be a hacker
[04:23] <Ycros> it's not tied down to software
[04:23] <cazabam> Ycros: ah, the wider definition of hacker :)
[04:23] <housetier> _kevin, it might not have a gui
[04:23] <_kevin> any one know a program to open .7z files in ubuntu
[04:23] <pfp> verbosus: the live cd probably has boot-time options for skipping X, try the F keys before it loads (or maybe someone remembers them)
[04:23] <cazabam> Ycros: but your average non-software hacker is unlikely to find and fix an exploit in your jpeg rendering code :)
[04:23] <verbosus> ok, thanks
[04:23] <housetier> verbosus, maybe try to add "2"
[04:24] <verbosus> k
[04:24] <pfp> housetier: runlevel 2 includes X, at least in a permanent setup
[04:24] <_kevin> I searched on synaptic and quite a bit on google and i couldn't really find a linux program to open .7z files, expect this p7zip and i try to run it and it doesn't
[04:24] <babytooth> if... m$ buy someone -> developer -> what?
[04:24] <pfp> (or GDM to be exact)
[04:25] <housetier> _kevin, tell exactly how you tried to run it
[04:25] <housetier> tell me
[04:25] <_kevin> i double click on the bin file
[04:25] <_kevin> or i right click and goto run
[04:25] <housetier> _kevin, as I said before, 7zip might not have a gui, so you could try to open a terminal window and run "p7zip --help" there
[04:25] <markc> what packages do I need to install to do a "debian/rules binary" for a deb-src package ?
[04:26] <verbosus> brb
[04:27] <jem> PLease, Anybody is using MIDI with Ubuntu?
[04:27] <babytooth> mark:  Is it a question?
[04:27] <babytooth> s/mark/mark cup/
[04:29] <Lie-Algebra> hi
[04:29] <noob> hi everyone... Someone can help me about sound volume ?
[04:30] <noob> The global sound volume of system was fine, but now it's low...
[04:30] <Lie-Algebra> i am installing a dual boot on a laptop and would like to know how much space, approximatively, should i use for installing ubuntu 5.04 given the fact  i have a 40GB hard drive ?
[04:30] <deviant> how the hell do i start vlc ?
[04:30] <caza|sleeping> Lie-Algebra: depends on which you'll use most. I'd just split it down the middle
[04:31] <Lie-Algebra> k
[04:31] <LokeDK> housetier, nope.. hedgehog
[04:31] <LokeDK> hoary
[04:31] <Lie-Algebra> let says 15Gb, i guess it would be suffiscient...
[04:32] <Loki_VA> hi people
[04:32] <Loki_VA> I have a evolution question..
[04:33] <Loki_VA> i want to switch from fedora to ubuntu and am wondering if i can just copy my .evolution dir to CD or some such and then copy it bak in ubuntu
[04:33] <Loki_VA> ?
[04:33] <hac> Why when i move a window in Gnome,the cpu occupation is 100%?
[04:33] <Whistler> is it possible to run shockwave games on opera?
[04:34] <tom_neo> opera suxx hehe
[04:34] <cazabam> Lie-Algebra: yeah, that's plenty. You'll probably want 8 to 10 Gb for comfort
[04:34] <cazabam> hac: are you using framebuffer driver for X?
[04:35] <hac> cazabam, u mean dri driver?
[04:35] <snadge> can i download live iso for breezy?
[04:36] <Whistler> Can anybody answer me is it possible to run shockwave games on opera?
[04:36] <Fabian> pfp, just thought: should I dl the install CD first???
[04:36] <snadge> and does it have newer madwifi driver :)
[04:36] <Fabian> pfp, so far I only got the live CD
[04:36] <cazabam> hac: no, just normal 2d driver. i've seen that eat all CPU for basic operations before,
[04:36] <pfp> Fabian: what are you going to need the install cd for?
[04:36] <Fabian> pfp, don't I need it at all?
[04:37] <cazabam> whistler: there is no shockwave player for Linux at all :( just flash
[04:37] <Fabian> dunno, maybe to install from image???
[04:37] <pfp> Fabian: no, if your'e just copying your system to the usb drive & back
[04:37] <jem> How may I see the hiiden folders on a vfat filesystem?
[04:37] <Whistler> cazabam oh
[04:37] <Whistler> cazabam thx anyway
[04:37] <Fabian> pfp, ok, hang on a sec, gonna boot live
[04:38] <Loki_VA> anyone know if a direct .evolution dir copy will work from one sys to another?
[04:38] <catfox> can anyone remember where the package is for the gPerfection icons which replaced those in /usr/share/pixmaps?
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> Loki_VA: yep
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> it should
[04:39] <Loki_VA> wicked
[04:39] <pfp> Loki_VA: it's worth a try at least, and if the evolutions are same version, should work
[04:39] <Loki_VA> ubuntu here i come
[04:39] <Loki_VA> hmm
[04:39] <Loki_VA> i need to nuke this install first tho
[04:39] <babytooth> pfp:  oh my
[04:39] <pfp> babytooth: what?
[04:39] <babytooth> pfp:  so simple?
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> if they aren't you can make it import them by changing the values of evolution_old_version or something in the gnome data thingo
[04:40] <hac> cazabam, I'm enabling in gconf metacity/redouce resource and it works
[04:40] <pfp> babytooth: that evolution thing?
[04:40] <Loki_VA> just i cant seem to find a actual export function in evo..?
[04:40] <cazabam> hac: ok, so it's just metacity eating everything.
[04:40] <babytooth> pfp:  umm
[04:40] <cazabam> hac: what graphics card you got though, that eye candy should have such an effect?
[04:40] <babytooth> pfp:  show your snake-oil ^^
[04:41] <jmain> I am trying to access my ubuntu laptop from a Windows server.  I have shared a folder on unbuntu.  IN windows it prompts me for a username/password but will not take my username/password
[04:41] <cazabam> jmain: you need to add yourself to the samba users list
[04:42] <jmain> ahhh
[04:42] <cazabam> jmain: sudo smbpasswd -a <your username>
[04:42] <cazabam> jmain: it will ask for your password a couple of times and that should be that
[04:42] <hac> cazabam, i have a radeon 9000,u think that metacity hog my cpu cause i'm without driver?
[04:42] <cazabam> I'm surprised ubuntu doens't do that automatically, really...
[04:42] <Loki_VA> nb samba has its own pass wont use unix ones :P
[04:42] <cazabam> hac: yeah, sounds most likely
[04:43] <cazabam> hac: check your xorg.conf and see what graphics driver you are using
[04:43] <jmain> That worked.  Thanks guys.
[04:43] <cazabam> no probs
[04:43] <Loki_VA> ok here goes then.. next time ill be on ubuntu :)
[04:43] <ogneP> Can someone helper me with my terminal?
[04:43] <jmain> I wish the built in sharing tool in gnome would set that stuff up.
[04:43] <ogneP> well the command line anyway
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> ogneP: what's the problem
[04:44] <hac> cazabam, I'm using "radeon" driver
[04:44] <theine> Hi, I'm only able to mount my IPod Shuffle after I remove the ehci-hcd module, otherwise I get "device descriptor read/64, error -71" many times... Does anybody know what this is?
[04:44] <cazabam> jmain: it does seem a major omission
[04:44] <ogneP> HrdwrBoB, It comes up in the symbol font
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> ogneP: that's bad
[04:44] <ogneP> HrdwrBoB, I know
[04:44] <cazabam> hac: oh... that's kinda odd. at least the metacity config change fixes it up :-/
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> terminal->edit->current profile
[04:44] <ogneP> i've tried that
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> what charset is your system?
[04:46] <ogneP> err
[04:46] <reka> um, where is xorg's log kept?
[04:46] <ogneP> i dunno
[04:46] <Fabian> re
[04:46] <theine> reka, in /var/log
[04:46] <ogneP> it was fine until i installed firestarter
[04:46] <Fabian> pfp, still here?
[04:47] <reka> theine: ah, thanks.
[04:47] <pfp> Fabian: yep
[04:48] <Fabian> pfp, so what do I do now
[04:48] <pfp> Fabian: i'm moving today, after about umm, 2-3 hours (i just found out it happens today :S), so i dont probably have the whole evening, sorry
[04:48] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, you should create an image with partimage to the usb drive
[04:49] <Fabian> pfp, I'm going out today, so never mind
[04:49] <jman_> Hmm... gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg plugin seems to leave my divx out of sync with sound.   It also seems to be the only plugin at 0.8.4  Anyway to upgrade to 0.8.8 like the rest of the plugins in hoary?
[04:49] <pfp> great :)
[04:49] <Fabian> pfp, there's no partimage
[04:50] <pfp> jman_: have you tried totem-xine instaead of gstreamer, i haven't had sync problems with that
[04:50] <babytooth> jman_:  firefox,gstreamer...next?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:50] <babytooth> jman_:  oss -> css
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> the problem is not that
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> it's esd
[04:50] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, is it possible to apt-get stuff on the livecd?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> jman_: if you change your gstreamer audio sink to ALSA
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> and run 'killall esd'
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> it should not get out of sync
[04:51] <Fabian> yep, it should, but I just tried synaptics, and it hasn't found anything
[04:51] <pfp> Fabian: what about apt-cache search partimage
[04:51] <pfp> Fabian: oh, and is sources.list sane on the live?
[04:52] <Fabian> just enabled all packet-sources
[04:52] <Fabian> sources.list?
[04:53] <nJess> how do i install .deb packages?
[04:53] <Fabian> pfp, found it now! shall I install it?
[04:53] <ogneP> So can someone help me with my terminal problem?
[04:53] <theine> nJess, dpkg -i
[04:53] <pfp> Fabian: yep :)
[04:53] <reka> nJess: what are you installing?
[04:53] <nJess> a theme
[04:53] <Fabian> pfp, not to worry about nothing, when doing this?
[04:53] <theine> nJess, dpkg -i <theme>.deb
[04:54] <pfp> Fabian: /etc/apt/sources.list is the file that knows your repositories
[04:54] <pfp> Fabian: shouldn't be a problem... hopefully it'll complain if there is :)
[04:54] <Fabian> ok
[04:54] <Fabian> hang on
[04:55] <Fabian> pfp, done
[04:55] <nJess> hmmm
[04:55] <nJess> how do i install KDE themes? it didn't show up i the theme manager when i installed the deb package
[04:56] <Fabian> pfp, so what is the command now?
[04:56] <Riddell> nJess: what did you install?
[04:56] <nJess> the nvidia KDE theme
[04:57] <pfp> Fabian: heh, i'm not familiar with partimage
[04:57] <Riddell> nJess: there doesn't seem to be any such package
[04:57] <nJess> its on KDE-look.org
[04:57] <pfp> Fabian: ie. the command is 'man partimage' (i'll have a read too)
[04:58] <Fabian> pfp, i'm reading right now
[04:58] <Riddell> nJess: URL?
[04:59] <GazaM> Does anyone here use Limewire. There is no system tray icon for me
[04:59] <nJess> www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12963
[05:00] <ogneP> How do i change my charset for ubuntu?
[05:00] <Nermal> turn the knob 15 degrees to the right
[05:01] <pfp> Fabian: just a thought. new partition setup should probably have both linuxen on a primary partition, and swap and the fat32 on extended... so i suggest 1:ntfs 2:ubuntu 3:lfs 4:ext 5:swap 6:fat32
[05:02] <tsume> I love Theo's article
[05:02] <Fabian> pfp, uuuhhh, mmmhhhh, then I'll have to move the extended....
[05:02] <tsume> unfortunately the article is true. People really aren't caring what they are coding for the kernel.
[05:03] <pfp> Fabian: you have to moev it anyway i think, because you'll need >4 partitions
[05:04] <Fabian> pfp, why not: 1: ntfs, 2: ext, 3: ubuntu, 4: lfs, 5: fat32, 6: swap
[05:04] <pfp> or that's what i had in mind originally, as you said you had the fat32 backed-up
[05:04] <Fabian> pfp, well yes I do have backed it up, but this means transferring a lot of data from and to the partition.....
[05:05] <lamp_> netsplit ?Oo
[05:06] <Fabian> pfp, can you sill read me?
[05:06] <pfp> Fabian: 5 and 6 go to the ext. partition, but the ext is already full, so umm, how are you going to add 6. there
[05:06] <pfp> still here..
[05:06] <Riddell> nJess: the .deb file at that URL doesn't include have a KDE theme file, (just the wallpaper, colour scheme and window theme)
[05:06] <Fabian> pfp, I can resize that fat32 with partition magic. No problem there
[05:06] <nJess> oh
[05:06] <nJess> :\
[05:06] <ogneP> Reboot*sigh*
[05:06] <reka> anyone use gparted or qtparted?  i'd like to create a new partition on my HDD and found out i can't do this when the drive is "active".  so how do i go about it?  i tried booting from a warty live cd (i'm running hoary tho,) and it couldn't/wouldn't let me run /usr/bin/gparted which is installed on my linux partition.
[05:07] <Riddell> nJess: and the window theme may not work since it's for an earlier version of KDE
[05:07] <pfp> Fabian: oh, in that case... i don't see any problem
[05:07] <Riddell> nJess: you may have to get the sources and recompile
[05:08] <nJess> i got it working
[05:09] <Fabian> pfp, shall I compress it?
[05:09] <Fabian> pfp, .gz or .bz2??
[05:10] <Fabian> pfp, I'll take .gz
[05:11] <Loki_VA> yay
[05:11] <Darth_Pengo> How do i change my charset?
[05:12] <Loki_VA> went thru without a hitch :P
[05:12] <lotia> folks anyone running on a dell insipron 6000
[05:12] <michael> helllo
[05:12] <michael> can anyone helo me
[05:13] <michael> help
[05:13] <zOap> Does ubuntu hoary come with shfs builtin the kernel?
[05:13] <lotia> having problems getting my internal intel 2200 wireless powered up
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> zOap: shfs?
[05:13] <pfp> Fabian: ok
[05:13] <michael> it won't let me move a file to a certain folder, it says i don't have permission
[05:13] <Fabian> pfp, damm it, haven't got write permission!
[05:13] <michael> how can i fix this?
[05:14] <Fabian> where is that usb device? /dev/???
[05:14] <michael> how do i get write permission?
[05:14] <zOap> HrdwrBoB, yes, the shfs, for mounting filesystems via ssh2protocol
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> ag
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> no it does not
[05:14] <zOap> oh...
[05:14] <mindspin> michael what do you want to do?
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> however it should be easy to compile
[05:14] <michael> i am trying to move a file to a folder, but it says i don't have permission
[05:14] <zOap> yes, I just wondered..
[05:15] <michael> and i am the only user
[05:15] <mindspin> which file to which folder?
[05:15] <Darth_Pengo> Can someone help me http://www.impengo.net/Terminal.png thats what my terminal looks like at the moment
[05:15] <Drako60> whats going on with http://ftp.security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu?
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get build-essential kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:15] <zOap> michael, root is also a user..
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> will get you the files you need to build it
[05:15] <zOap> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[05:15] <michael> mindspin, a php file to the www apache    folder
[05:15] <bigfoot1> anybody using J-pilot here?
[05:16] <pfp> Fabian: on the usb disk?
[05:16] <Fabian> found it :D
[05:16] <cazabam> bigfoot1: yep
[05:16] <mindspin> so theres also the user www-data on your machine ;-)
[05:16] <mindspin> sudo cp blah.php /path/to apache/docs
[05:17] <bigfoot1> cazabam, do you have your Memo Categories working in J-Pilot? Coz all my memos are in the "unfiled" category in Jpilot.
[05:17] <michael> so, mindspin, how do i give myself permission
[05:17] <cazabam> um... yes, I think so. at least, I've never noticed them to be broken
[05:17] <mindspin> sudo cp blah.php /path/to apache/docs
[05:17] <mindspin> dont change permissions
[05:17] <bigfoot1> anybody else using J-Pilot in here?
[05:18] <bigfoot1> cazabam, okay.
[05:18] <Nermal> have done
[05:18] <Fabian> pfp, it's on its way
[05:18] <mindspin> become the permitted user and make your action...
[05:18] <Nermal> memo catagories working ya
[05:18] <reka> michael: you need to use sudo to write to "privileged areas", i.e. anything other than ~/ which is your home folder
[05:18] <cazabam> bigfoot1: what Palm device do you have?
[05:19] <bigfoot1> nermal, do you know why my memos on my PDA are all "Unfiled" in Jpilot?
[05:19] <bigfoot1> cazabam, i have Visor Pro.
[05:19] <Loki_VA> how do i turn off the spatial filemanager in gnome?
[05:19] <mindspin> changing permissions will /may result in security troubles
[05:19] <Nermal> bigfoot1, no
[05:19] <bigfoot1> which runs Palm OS.
[05:19] <reka> Darth_Pengo: running gnome?
[05:19] <Darth_Pengo> reka yeah
[05:19] <Nermal> bigfoot1, I presume they aren't on the palm
[05:19] <cazabam> bigfoot1: what version of Palm OS do they run? is it 3.5 like the other visors?
[05:19] <bigfoot1> nermal, huh? on my pda, my memos have categories.
[05:19] <reka> Loki_VA: it's in preferences
[05:19] <Nermal> o
[05:20] <Loki_VA> okies cool
[05:20] <Loki_VA> im used to fedora core
[05:20] <reka> dark: what is your k/b layout? sys->pref->keyboard
[05:20] <bigfoot1> cazabam, version 3.5
[05:20] <bigfoot1> when i was on windows OS, the Palm Desktop software recognized all my categories.
[05:21] <pfp> Fabian: great
[05:21] <reka> Darth_Pengo: sorry, that was meant for you - what is your k/b layout? sys->pref->keyboard
[05:21] <Darth_Pengo> WEll
[05:22] <Darth_Pengo> err
[05:22] <Darth_Pengo> well
[05:22] <Darth_Pengo> When i set up the box the only k/b i could find was a Generic one
[05:22] <Darth_Pengo> soo generic 104 key
[05:22] <reka> Darth_Pengo: no, i'm interested in the country.
[05:22] <reka> below that
[05:23] <Darth_Pengo> U.S English
[05:23] <Loki_VA> wow ubuntu is nice
[05:23] <cazabam> bigfoot1: sounds like it's probably a pilot-link problem
[05:23] <cazabam> welcome back Loki_VA!
[05:23] <bigfoot1> cazabam, how do i fix that then?
[05:23] <Loki_VA> im only on 4.10 atm but will upgrade soon
[05:23] <jem> Anybody use agnula or demudi?
[05:23] <reka> Loki_VA: it has some niggles, but yes imho it's better than fc at least.
[05:24] <cazabam> why not just install 5.04, Loki_VA?
[05:24] <Drako60> ok i have a major problem, apt-get is piping .gz files to .bzip2 can anyone explain why?
[05:24] <Loki_VA> im impressed so far