[00:45] <Bo7> nvm Q. gsh
[03:24] <ejat> hi
[03:24] <ejat> error: failed to connect to the hypervisor
[03:24] <ejat> in hardy
[03:25] <ejat> i enabled the backport
[03:34] <Doorman352> Anybody use Kaspersky Enterprise?
[03:38] <twb> Doorman352: isn't that a Windows thing?
[03:38] <twb> !anybody
[03:40] <Doorman352> Kaspersky is for everyone, since Im adding Ubuntu servers I wanted to know if anyone has used it on linux.
[03:42] <twb> Since I don't have any Windows desktops, I don't bother with virus scanning.
[03:42] <twb> See also: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus
[03:44] <twb> I have seen widespread use of clamav for when you are providing, say, a Unix fileserver to a bunch of Windows desktops.
[03:45] <twb> For security of the server itself, you want to look at "intrusion detection" systems, rather than virus scanners.
[03:46] <Doorman352> Kaspersky runs on windows, Linux, etc so I figured I use it.
[03:59] <Bo7> Hi everyone!
[04:11] <ejat> virtual machine not booting from cdrom / iso ..
[04:11] <ejat> anyone can help me ?
[04:13] <ejat> the console came up .. but didnt booting the cdrom / iso
[04:13] <twb> ejat: what virtualization technology?
[04:13] <ejat> kvm
[04:14] <twb> Don't you just pass -boot d ?
[04:14] <ejat> im using the virtual machine manager
[04:14] <twb> I'm not familiar with virt-manager, sorry
[04:15] <twb> AFAIK the backend needs you to specify what to boot from BEFORE starting the VM
[04:15] <twb> And it defaults to the hard disks
[04:21] <ejat> ic
[04:22] <ball> I'm struggling to find the .torrent file for Ubuntu Server (amd64, iso)
[04:25] <ball> Aha!  Found it.
[04:25] <ball> Completely not where it should have been though.
[04:26] <Bo7> So I was reading about UncomplicatedFirewall and got a bit confused about this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/321252
[04:31] <Bo7> you guys know which page is correct, or if I got it wrong?
[04:54] <twb> Bo7: I can't answer your question, but I can teach you how to find out
[04:54] <twb> Bo7: first, put your ufw config back to however you found it.
[04:54] <twb> Bo7: then, run "iptables-save" and pastebin the output
[05:06] <billybigrigger> can someone help me out with mx records?
[05:09] <bogeyd6> yes billybigrigger
[05:09] <bogeyd6> !ask | billybigrigger
[05:10] <billybigrigger> ok, last time i setup my mailserver all the mail was to thefrozencanuck.ca, and this was my MX record
[05:10] <Bo7> twb, oh the firewall works allright for me,  I was just curious about what the default state of ufw was, the documentation says different things.
[05:10] <billybigrigger> now i want to be able to setup my mail clients to point to mail.thefrozencanuck.ca, and not the "sally" i had setup as a hostname
[05:10] <bogeyd6> so you are looking for
[05:11] <billybigrigger> so do i create a new AHOST for mail.thefrozencanuck.ca
[05:11] <billybigrigger> and then just make my MX record for mail.thefrozencanuck.ca?
[05:12] <bogeyd6> you create an A record for the mail.thefrozencanuk.co and the MX record changes to mail.thefrozencanuck.ca
[05:12] <billybigrigger> right on
[05:13] <bogeyd6> mail.thefrozencanuk.ca A ip.addy
[05:13] <bogeyd6> heh
[05:13] <bogeyd6> mail.thefrozencanuk.ca.
[05:14] <bogeyd6> thefrozencanuk.ca. IN MX 10 mail.thefrozencanuk.ca
[05:14] <bogeyd6> replace 10 with whatever priority system you want to use
[05:16] <bogeyd6> i keep forgettting to type the trailing .
[05:17] <billybigrigger> ok, now how do i confirm this is all setup?
[05:17] <billybigrigger> i need to use the dig command or something here?
[05:19] <bogeyd6> billybigrigger give it like 10 minutes and then check www.nwtools.com
[05:19] <bogeyd6> billybigrigger or http://www.mxtoolbox.com/
[05:20] <bogeyd6> billybigrigger you can also use "host -t MX thefrozencanuck.ca
[05:21] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/etc/default$ host -t MX thefrozencanuck.ca
[05:21] <billybigrigger> thefrozencanuck.ca mail is handled by 10 mail.thefrozencanuck.ca.
[05:21] <billybigrigger> :)
[05:22] <bogeyd6> :PPPP
[05:23] <bogeyd6> billybigrigger im just saying that you should also set an A record for just plain old thefrozencanuck.ca
[05:23] <billybigrigger> i have one
[05:23] <billybigrigger> Host  	Points To  	TTL  	Actions
[05:23] <billybigrigger> 	@ 	<IP_ADDRESS> 	1/2 Hour
[05:24] <billybigrigger> @ = thefrozencanuck.ca
[05:24] <billybigrigger> quick poll, what do you prefer Maildir or mbox?
[05:25] <billybigrigger> i have always setup Maildir, not too familiar with mbox, and was going to try it on this setup
[05:25] <billybigrigger> should i try out mbox or stick with Maildir?
[05:29] <billybigrigger> bogeyd6, ?
[05:37] <bogeyd6> billybigrigger i have no preference
[05:37] <bogeyd6> ive had a few scotches so im in and out
[05:38] <billybigrigger> of conciousness?
[05:38] <bogeyd6> !dovecot | billybigrigger
[05:38] <billybigrigger> yeah i have postfix and dovecot installed
[05:38] <billybigrigger> but obviously not configured
[05:38] <bogeyd6> i prefer using ZCS personally, i dont use dovecot, but dovecot is the official maildir package in ubuntu server
[05:39] <billybigrigger> jesus i hate evolution
[05:39] <bogeyd6> oh im watching Lock n Load with r leee ermey :)
[05:39] <billybigrigger> lock n load
[05:39] <billybigrigger> don't think i've seen it
[05:39] <bogeyd6> if you like military stuff it is highly recommended
[05:39] <billybigrigger> oh yeah
[05:39] <billybigrigger> who's in it?
[05:40] <bogeyd6> r lee ermey
[05:40] <billybigrigger> what year did it come out? 1990?
[05:41] <bogeyd6> 2009
[05:41] <bogeyd6> tv series
[05:41] <billybigrigger> oh its a tv series
[05:42] <bogeyd6> all of your stuff resolves but your www, blog, and smtp isnt responding
[05:44] <billybigrigger> smtp is handled by my ispo
[05:44] <billybigrigger> isp
[05:44] <billybigrigger> have to use shawmail.cg.shawcable.net as a relay for my outgoing mail
[05:45] <billybigrigger> isp blocks port 25 on me :(
[05:45] <bogeyd6> ok cool
[05:45] <billybigrigger> www. and blog. don't respond?
[05:45] <billybigrigger> oh
[05:45] <billybigrigger> duh, haha have not setup apache yet
[05:46] <bogeyd6> :P
[05:46] <billybigrigger> i have a full complete server setup, mail/ftp/web/mysql all that jazz already
[05:46] <billybigrigger> but its on a 40GB virtual hard disk
[05:46] <bogeyd6> time to put some work in
[05:46] <billybigrigger> so i decided i'd start fresh and do it on a dynamic hdd
[05:47] <billybigrigger> im bored and have nothing to do for a few days :) so i don't mind starting over
[05:47] <bogeyd6> i prefer to use VMware to run any server
[05:47] <billybigrigger> whats the difference between vmware or vbox?
[05:47] <bogeyd6> hosted on a san
[05:47] <billybigrigger> thought they were both pretty much the same
[05:47] <bogeyd6> stability and compatibility. vmware being the superior, vbox being simpler
[05:48] <twb> billybigrigger: a few letters
[05:49] <twb> Ubuntu recommends KVM for full virtualization.
[05:49] <bogeyd6> !kvm | billybigrigger
[05:49] <twb> Thaks.
[05:49] <bogeyd6> :)
[05:49] <twb> (Gah!  More coffee!)
[05:50] <bogeyd6> i still like vmware
[05:50] <twb> I have had countless bad experiences with VMware, and VMware 2's move of putting everything inside tomcat didn't impress me favourably.
[05:51] <twb> I daresay VMware is more attractive if you're running Windows guests in a Windows host.
[05:54] <twb> Likewise I suspect both VMware and Virtualbox are more attractive if you're wanting to run virtual machines on your overspecced laptop (rather than on a server in the rack), and you want AIGLX and USB and such to work.
[05:54] <billybigrigger> hmm hmm
[05:55] <billybigrigger> can't connect to mail.thefrozencanuck.ca
[05:55] <twb> As for me, qemu's features like -kernel/-initrd/-append and its raster-less tty emulation (i.e. -curses or PTYs) are killer features.
[05:55] <billybigrigger> in either thunderbird or evo...
[05:55] <twb> billybigrigger: you should try netcat/socat first, since that'll tell you if there's anything there at all.
[05:55] <billybigrigger> nmap shows 143 and 993 are open, and router is routing 143 and 993 to <IP_ADDRESS> which is correct....
[05:55] <twb> "nc mail.thefrozencanuck.ca submission" or whatever
[05:56] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/etc/default$ nc mail.thefrozencanuck.ca submission
[05:56] <billybigrigger> mail.thefrozencanuck.ca [<IP_ADDRESS>] 587 (submission) : Connection refused
[05:57] <twb> billybigrigger: I'm assuming you're actualy using submission for SMTP/SSL
[05:57] <twb> You seem to be talking about imap2 and imaps
[05:58]  * billybigrigger needs to look over postfix config
[05:58] <billybigrigger> setup postfix last night and dovecot today...so its not too fresh in my memory
[05:58] <billybigrigger> i haven't done anything for smtp
[05:59] <twb> billybigrigger: so you'd change "submission" to "imaps" or "993" then
[05:59] <twb> Not that it matters, since you indicated that nmap can see them.
[07:51] <ESEDU> How do I know is dns server working properly, or are my configurations right
[08:06] <ESEDU> How do I know that DNS is working properly
[08:07] <_ruben> uhh .. you ask the dns server a question and see if you get the right result?
[08:08] <_ruben> and "working properly" is about as vague as it can get
[08:08] <GammalSokk> mine \ NoPE
[08:08] <twb> _ruben: "how many roads must a man walk down?"
[08:15] <ESEDU> _ruben: I configured in named.conf zone for our school network "ele.local" and made a zone file "db.ele". Now what should some up anywhere to make me sure that I have actually configured a master server for the network "ele.local"
[08:15] <ESEDU> some=come
[08:16] <ESEDU> _ruben: its my thesis see, and i have to proof that I have now done a mster server for ele.local, so how do i know, i think ive done all the work, but wheres the trophy
[08:17] <ESEDU> u no
[08:27] <_ruben> ESEDU: assuming you have added some (bogus) records (for example: bogus.ele.local) to the db.ele zonefile and the ip address of the nameserver is <IP_ADDRESS>, do: host bogus.ele.local. <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:29] <ESEDU> _ruben: and what should I see
[08:29] <_ruben> the ip address you specified in the zonefile
[08:30] <ESEDU> _ruben: the address for the NS record?
[08:30] <ESEDU> in the zone file
[08:30] <_ruben> ESEDU: do you know how dns works?
[08:30] <ESEDU> somewhat
[08:31] <_ruben> lets start by putting your named.conf and db.ele on a pastebin
[08:31] <ESEDU> now pastebins are a totally diffrent thing
[08:32] <ESEDU> never heard
[08:32] <_ruben> !pastebin
[08:33] <ESEDU> u want me to give pictures
[08:35] <ESEDU> im so confused!
[08:35] <_ruben> forget about the screenshot part, the important part was: "pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at  http://paste.ubuntu.com" ... you copy/paste the contents of a file to that site so others can see/read it
[08:38] <ESEDU> _ruben: ok i put part of named.conf there.
[08:40] <alvin_> ESEDU: I'm no expert on DNS, but I've configured some easy servers (dnsmasq). Just a warning because you are using ele.local. The .local extension is used by Avahi! (http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal)
[08:42] <alvin> This can screw domain lookups if you are using avahi
[08:46] <ESEDU> _ruben: did u check out the pastebin
[08:47] <_ruben> ESEDU: no, because you didnt give us the url of your post
[08:48] <atomic_1> you need to paste named.conf.local & named.conf.options too
[08:48] <atomic_1> in whole
[08:48] <ESEDU> _ruben:http://paste.ubuntu.com/321349/
[08:48] <atomic_1> can't really see just from a named.conf snippet
[08:49] <xperia2> hello to all. i have a litlle a non specific ubuntu server question. need to register a .com domain name. can anybody say me what is the best registerer for that ? who has good experience with .com domains. thanks in advance for reply
[08:49] <ESEDU>  atomic_1: see whay
[08:49] <ESEDU> t
[08:50] <xperia2> ESEDU: i see that you have a bind9 specific question. what exectly do you want to have ?
[08:50] <atomic_1> you can also try #bind, but those guys are brutal :)
[08:50] <xperia2> yes i can confirm it :-)
[08:52] <ESEDU> xperia2: A master server for ele.local network
[08:52] <ESEDU> _ruben: http://paste.ubuntu.com/321357/
[08:52] <_ruben> snippet looks ok, your choice of filenames is uhm.. odd
[08:53] <_ruben> zonefile looks ok too
[08:53] <_ruben> host server.ele.local. <IP_ADDRESS> should return <IP_ADDRESS> (assuming your dns server is <IP_ADDRESS>)
[08:53] <_ruben> on the box itself you could use <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:01] <tangentcollision> how would I get php with my apache installation?
[09:06] <twb> tangentcollision: install it
[09:07] <tangentcollision> well, of course, how did I not see the blatantly obvious before?
[09:07] <tangentcollision> what package would I have to install
[09:07] <tangentcollision> that's more of what I was asking
[09:09] <tangentcollision> twb: if you answer that question, I'll forgive you for being a jackass
[09:09] <twb> I don't remember offhand.
[09:09] <xperia2> tangentcollision: in the wiki page of ubuntu is all described https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/php5.html
[09:09] <twb> apt-cache search apache.*php
[09:10] <twb> That finds libapache2-mod-php5
[09:10] <xperia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/index.html
[09:12] <tangentcollision> you are quite forgiven good (sir/madame)
[09:13] <tangentcollision> oh crap, I forgot, ubuntu upgraded in the past year, hasn't it
[09:14] <tangentcollision> apt-get upgrade
[09:14] <tangentcollision> oops
[09:16] <_ruben> ubuntu "upgrades" twice a year
[09:16] <ESEDU> _ruben: http://paste.ubuntu.com/321371/
[09:16] <tangentcollision> I forget this
[09:16] <tangentcollision> anyways, I'm going to upgrade, good evening to all
[09:26] <Montjoie> hello i have a karmic server which has many udev --daemon and /lib/udev/watershed sh -c /sbin/lvm vgscan; /sbin/lvm vgchange -a y that appears
[09:27] <Montjoie> i saw similar bugs in bugzilla but there are too old for be for karmic
[09:27] <Montjoie> any idea ?
[09:41] <ESEDU> http://paste.ubuntu.com/321371/
[09:41] <ESEDU> does that look right?
[09:41] <ESEDU> for a reverse zone file
[09:46] <_ruben> yup
[10:12] <ESEDU> _ruben: how do I know that they work for sure then?
[10:40] <atomic_1> ESEDU: you can use the rndc command, check syslog
[10:41] <atomic_1> and dig offcourse
[10:42] <atomic_1> i like to setup separate log channels for query and named
[10:43] <atomic_1> you can do this by using logging in named.conf
[10:43] <atomic_1> keeps things clean
[10:44] <atomic_1> to test, add some entries by hand in the zones, reload them
[10:45] <atomic_1> and check forward and reverse lookup from another machine
[10:47] <Montjoie> i solved my problem with a dpkg-reconfigure udev, thanks for your help
[10:52] <eason> Hi all, could some gurus give me tips about setting PXE installer server for Ubuntu 9.10 desktop?
[10:55] <_ruben> eason: got any more specific questions? been a while since i set up my pxe environment (only using it for servers install currently though)
[10:55] <ESEDU> atomi c_1: ok, hypothetically lets say ive done this, now how am i reassured?
[10:59] <tangentcollision> odd, I didn't need to restart my server after apt-get upgrade
[10:59] <tangentcollision> is that normal?
[11:00] <eason> Ruben: I have installed Dhcp, tftp, Nfs, apache on server side,  and copied linux kernel and initrd in tftpboot. Client can boot from lan to choose install menu. But client is not able to install Ubuntu desktop from lan
[11:02] <_ruben> tangentcollision: yes, as only kernel upgrades require reboots generally
[11:02] <eason> in client side, it always yield that can't find mirro
[11:02] <ESEDU> _ruben: would it make any difference that the network allready has a main server
[11:02] <_ruben> eason: (where) do you specify the mirror?
[11:03] <eason> How can I configure to use my web server as mirro?
[11:04] <_ruben> by selecting it during the installation process?
[11:04] <_ruben> bbiab .. lunchtime
[11:05] <eason> Can I set it in preseed file as I hope it can be installed automatically?
[11:24] <X-Seti> hello
[11:25] <X-Seti> I have an odd problem, but i am sure you have heard this before, I have had my server attached all this week, I have ubuntu-server 9.10
[11:25] <X-Seti> attacked.. oops
[11:25] <X-Seti> I am not sure how there doing, it besides the box shutting down, or totally locking up
[11:26] <X-Seti> reading on google, i get the idea that its the ftp server their going after.
[11:26] <alvin> X-Seti: So, the attack was successful?
[11:26] <X-Seti> yeah, 3 times now, same time every day
[11:26] <X-Seti> i only noticed this today
[11:27] <alvin> What ftp server are you using?
[11:27] <X-Seti> proftpd
[11:27] <alvin> Is it anonymous?
[11:27] <X-Seti> no, just normal user and passworded accounts
[11:27] <X-Seti> i took off anon stuff
[11:28] <alvin> Are they doing a dictionary attack? (guessing passwords)
[11:28] <alvin> If not, it must be a vulnerability. Also, ftp passwords are easy to sniff.
[11:28] <X-Seti> not sure, i have bounce attacked in the logs, and what ever server is running, like they scanned anything that is running and tried their luck
[11:29] <X-Seti> well i cant really shut down the ftp server, change the passwords, they came onto the ircd i have running on there, and tried to send me a file too, which suggested that ftp wasnt all that successful
[11:30] <alvin> Automated attacks are normal. (This pc is currently under attack (ssh). The cracker tries to guess the password for 'root')
[11:31] <X-Seti> killing the server is a first, crashing it and making it usless till i reboot is another
[11:31] <alvin> That's weird, yes.
[11:32] <X-Seti> i use modified hardware, i wanted to go the eco way, the box itself uses 70watt, total
[11:32] <alvin> Im must admit that I'm not familiar with proftpd.
[11:32] <alvin> atom?
[11:32] <_ruben> eason: yeah, mirror can be preseeded just fine
[11:33] <X-Seti> old modded laptop with everything removed, even the screen
[11:33] <X-Seti> i took the motherboard out and put it in a desktop case.
[11:34] <X-Seti> i removed everything that used power, added more usb ports for the back of the case, and its but fine for 6 years now
[11:34] <X-Seti> till now
[11:34] <alvin> X-Seti: Now, that is a cool idea :-)
[11:34] <X-Seti> saved me alot of money hosting sites
[11:34] <eason> ruben: could you tell what is directory structure of mirror server?
[11:35] <X-Seti> i noticed that ubuntu 9.10 is heavier, 8.04 wasnt so resource depanding..
[11:35] <_ruben> eason: you shouldnt have to worry about that, assuming you're using a "supported" method of creating a local mirror, im using debmirror myself currently, but i might just switch to a full rsync someday
[11:35] <eason> as installer always yield can't find mirror, maybe some thing wrong in my mirror server
[11:36] <_ruben> eason: check your access logs to see what its failing on
[11:36] <eason> I just copied Ubuntu desktop cd into web directory
[11:36] <alvin> X-Seti: My slowest machine currently running karmic server is an atom. No speed problems, except when you use Qemu (no VT, so that's entirely normal)
[11:37] <alvin> But back to your crashes. I have no idea. Did you check /var/log/auth.log
[11:37] <X-Seti> i run 2 apache servers, tomcat, ircd (custom unrealircd), proftpd, sshd, gother and thats it
[11:37] <X-Seti> i never got email to work
[11:38] <X-Seti> but then, when i had email running on my older server (Amiga4000t) all i got was spam)
[11:38] <alvin> That's not only ftp. Do you know how they got in?
[11:39] <X-Seti> not sure, i could install firestarter
[11:39] <alvin> !firestarter
[11:39] <X-Seti> if these unknowns happen, does ubuntu log them anywhere
[11:39] <_ruben> eason: ah, that probably wouldnt work indeed, not sure how/if a cd can be turned into a webmirror
[11:39] <alvin> Hmm, that's a gui application. No need to install X. The damage is already done, so I would check existing logs
[11:40] <alvin> Yes, /var/log/auth.log is for security
[11:40] <X-Seti> i do have gnome running on there, i was working on porting an old amiga app to ubunut
[11:40] <X-Seti> lets have a look at that
[11:42] <X-Seti> holly hell
[11:42] <X-Seti> i have a dir full of stuff
[11:44] <alvin> Your log dir? Or do you mean a rather large auth.log?
[11:44] <X-Seti> the log dir is packed, but i am looking at auth.log now
[11:46] <X-Seti> same ip has been hammering root for days
[11:46] <X-Seti> none stop, even now
[11:48] <eason> Ruben: could you show me the directory structure of your mirror?
[11:49] <X-Seti> pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=2031691$
[11:49] <X-Seti> Nov 15 07:55:19 events sshd[15070]: Failed password for invalid user tester from <IP_ADDRESS> port 52470 ssh2
[11:49] <X-Seti> thats weird
[11:49] <X-Seti> i have a 1gig log file
[11:49] <alvin> X-Seti: block it :-) I actually don't know how to do that. I'll look it up. If I'm not mistaken, there is a script for ssh to do stuff like that automatically.
[11:49] <alvin> lol, maybe the log file crashed your server? :-) Is the disk full?
[11:49] <X-Seti> checking
[11:50] <X-Seti> now i have a 1tb drive on there
[11:50] <X-Seti> it would be hard to full that :)
[11:51] <X-Seti> from what i can see, that got password the router firewall
[11:51] <X-Seti> there port scanning everything beyond that, hitting the server i had and this comp
[11:52] <alvin> A short search tells me to use /etc/hosts.deny if you want to manually block ip ranges
[11:52] <X-Seti> looking at all the ip addresses, thats alot of blocking
[11:52] <alvin> In my experience, a default ubuntu (without firewall) doesn't crash under those circumstances. (ssh active)
[11:53] <X-Seti> ive never had any problems till, now, panic when my server crashed, i couldnt log in or connect to any services
[11:54] <dei> My Server is not available via the Internet at its Hostname, NS1.LOYALRELIABLE.COM
[11:54] <dei> It is available by IP
[11:58] <dei> ; <<>> DiG 9.6.1-P1 <<>> @<IP_ADDRESS> any loyalreliable.com
[11:58] <dei> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
[11:58] <dei> loyalreliable.com.      86400   IN      MX      10 mail.loyalreliable.com.
[11:58] <dei> loyalreliable.com.      86400   IN      SOA     ns1.loyalreliable.com. loyalreliable.com. 0 10800 3600<PHONE_NUMBER>
[11:58] <dei> loyalreliable.com.      86400   IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:58] <dei> loyalreliable.com.      86400   IN      NS      ns1.loyalreliable.com.
[11:58] <dei> loyalreliable.com.      86400   IN      NS      ns5.loyalreliable.com.
[11:58] <dei> ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
[11:58] <dei> ns1.loyalreliable.com.  86400   IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:58] <dei> mail.loyalreliable.com. 86400   IN      A       <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:58] <dei> ;; SERVER: <IP_ADDRESS>#53(<IP_ADDRESS>)
[11:59] <_ruben> http://paste.ubuntu.com/321462/
[11:59] <X-Seti> 5 days worth, 5 ips
[11:59] <X-Seti> so it started 5 days ago
[11:59] <dei> hm?
[12:00] <dei> 5 days worth?
[12:01] <X-Seti> someone is hacking my server
[12:01] <dei> oh
[12:08] <_ruben> fail2ban is nice 'n simple method to "protect" yourself again bruteforce attacks (non-distributed ones)
[12:08] <eason> Ruben: now my client installer can find my mirror server, but yield 'The installer failed to download a file from the server', any tips for solving it?
[12:09] <_ruben> eason: check the access logs of your server, it probably requires a file that isnt avail on the cd, or in a different place
[12:13] <roytech> hi can anyone help probably a simple problem (learner)
[12:15] <roytech> im getting an error unable to resolve host  "name of server"
[12:15] <X-Seti> what service are you running
[12:16] <epinky> roytech: resolv.conf configured ?
[12:16] <alvin> roytech: when do you see this error?
[12:16] <X-Seti> apache?
[12:16] <eason> Ruben: I have checked the apache's error log file, nothing been shown there
[12:18] <_ruben> the installer log might show some hints too (virtual console 4 has that log)
[12:24] <bogeyd6> epinky opensuse prefers people use the yast2 tool to configure network settings
[12:24] <bogeyd6> !pastebin @ dei
[12:24] <bogeyd6> wrong channel
[12:24] <bogeyd6> im an idiot
[12:25] <epinky> bogeyd6: excuse me?
[12:25] <dei> no problem
[12:25] <dei> thank you
[12:25] <dei> i figured our my problem :)
[12:25] <bogeyd6> dei did you have to use the hostname tool at your registrar?
[12:25] <dei> i made a dumb mistake on my firewall...
[12:26] <dei> and that was blocking everything
[12:26] <dei> i just did not suspect such a simple change to cause this problem :)
[12:26] <bogeyd6> kk
[12:26] <bogeyd6> thats why i prefer firewall appliances
[12:29] <roytech> when just making any change to svr just after sudo
[12:29] <eason> Ruben: thank you very much, I found it
[12:35] <spirits-sight> I need help, I have setup LAMP for Ubuntu 9.10 setup 2 vitalhosting by name and when going to one of the domain it does not give me any thing?  in the /etc/hosts file I have "<IP_ADDRESS> hostname-server.abc.org hostname-server" where <IP_ADDRESS> is the real IP address
[12:36] <epinky> spirits-sight: you mean VirtualHost?
[12:36] <spirits-sight> yes :-) epinky
[12:37] <epinky> spirits-sight:<IP_ADDRESS> is another machine?
[12:38] <spirits-sight> I am using linode and it says to put the public IP address where the <IP_ADDRESS> is
[12:39] <spirits-sight> epinky: this is the line above that one <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost.localdomain  localhost
[12:40] <epinky> spirits-sight: <IP_ADDRESS> is another machine?
[12:41] <spirits-sight> I don't think so, its the linode that was assigned it linode.com
[12:42] <epinky> spirits-sight: /etc/nsswitch.conf checked?
[12:44] <spirits-sight> one sec
[12:46] <spirits-sight> epinky: what should I be looking for, I don't see any thing in there that says domain
[12:46] <spirits-sight> hosts:          files dns
[12:46] <spirits-sight> networks:       files
[12:47] <epinky> files dns means check hosts first, if not found ther go to dns, it's ok then ...
[12:47] <spirits-sight> OK so I understood that then :-)
[12:50] <spirits-sight> when I go to the domain.org in brower it says "Oops! This link appears to be broken."
[12:52] <epinky> spirits-sight: try using nslookup with some external server, to check resolution
[12:53] <epinky> spirits-sight: I mean resolution of your server :)
[12:53] <spirits-sight> so in my destop term do mslookup domain.org
[12:54] <spirits-sight> it gave good respone it gave the ip address, so how do I know its from the server
[12:55] <epinky> i think it should be equal to <IP_ADDRESS>.000
[12:56] <spirits-sight> Server:		<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:56] <spirits-sight> Address:	<IP_ADDRESS>#53
[12:56] <spirits-sight> Non-authoritative answer:
[12:56] <spirits-sight> Name:	domain.org
[12:56] <spirits-sight> Address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:56] <spirits-sight> sorry for the mulite lines
[12:58] <epinky> spirits-sight: use pastebin , do you have a DNS server local?, i'd like to check Authorative-Answer
[12:58] <spirits-sight> no its hosted with linode.com
[12:59] <spirits-sight> I am using godaddy which point to the linode nameserver and then doing DNS control with linode
[13:00] <epinky> spirits-sight: can you reach the server using IP?
[13:01] <eix> hi there. I am running Ubuntu8.10 32bit on an "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+", which is a K8 64bit processor. should i upgrade to a 64bit linux distro? will I pull all of my hair off for this?
[13:03] <spirits-sight> epinky: ok when I use nslookup ip address it give me ip.in-addr.arpa name = xxxxx-xxx.members.linode.com the ip address is backwards and where xxxxx-xxx is the linode marker I think
[13:05] <epinky> spirits-sight: ok, can you reach the server using IP(public)?
[13:07] <spirits-sight> ok, when using just IP address it gives me oops again, but I also am not telling it any vitiualhost site, how do I pass that along with the ip address of it know which one
[13:10] <epinky> that public IP address is already configured on your VPS, right?
[13:10] <spirits-sight> I believe so
[13:12] <epinky> spirits-sight: can you  ping that ip?
[13:12] <spirits-sight> Yes
[13:13] <epinky> spirits-sight: to administer your VPS you use SSH?
[13:17] <spirits-sight> correct
[13:18] <epinky> spirits-sight: you've installed LAMP on your VPS  or are you using DNS Manager to redirect to some local server?
[13:19] <spirits-sight> I have installed LAMP on the VPS using this guide http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/ubuntu-9.10-karmic/
[13:20] <spirits-sight> I skipped over the area that says Configure for IP-based Virtual Hosting
[13:22] <epinky> ok, on your SSH session to VPS, check if apache2 is up with netstat
[13:23] <dip> Hi all. I'm newbie in cloud computing. I've configured mico-cloud using eucalyptus and running two instances in it. I would like to know how one can install some packages in running instance *persistently* so that I can use that package upon reboot. Any help ?
[13:25] <spirits-sight> epinky: OK I don't see the service apache2 there how ever I have a number of time say to reload it it say it did, is this different?
[13:25] <epinky> spirits-sight: reload is different from restart
[13:25] <spirits-sight> I have done restart also but will do again
[13:26] <epinky> spirits-sight: netstat has to indicate that port 80 is LISTENING
[13:26] <spirits-sight> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart is what I have run one sec see if see port 80 is LISTENING
[13:27] <spirits-sight> ok I don't see that either, that strange
[13:27] <epinky> spirits-sight: then check on your logs, there could be some error
[13:28] <spirits-sight> ok I did a restart and still not see any thing
[13:28] <epinky> spirits-sight: check your logs
[13:28] <spirits-sight> ok under etc/logs right
[13:28] <epinky> spirits-sight: /var/log/...
[13:29] <spirits-sight> yep yep :-( forgot type var not etc
[13:30] <roytech> when ever i try to do any restarting of say samba i get unable to resolve host "name of server"
[13:30] <spirits-sight> which log apache2 has nothing in it
[13:30] <spirits-sight> epinky: ^^
[13:31] <epinky> spirits-sight: error.log and access.log I guess
[13:32] <spirits-sight> epinky: in error.log it says unable to open log three times
[13:33] <spirits-sight> epinky: in access.log there is nothing
[13:33] <epinky> spirits-sight: "unable to open" or "unable to open log"?
[13:34] <epinky> spirits-sight: use "more"
[13:34] <spirits-sight> it says "Unable to open logs"  I am using nano to open them
[13:34] <roytech> hi can any one help with this?
[13:35] <epinky> spirits-sight: use "more"
[13:35] <spirits-sight> epinky:  also other_vhosts_access.log has nothing in it
[13:36] <roytech> when ever i try restart samba i get unable to resolve host "name of server"
[13:36] <spirits-sight> epinky:  http://pastebin.com/d7b08e3c1
[13:37] <spirits-sight> epinky: all the others are empty
[13:40] <spirits-sight> epinky: this is what it gave me for netstat http://pastebin.com/d65780373
[13:40] <epinky> spirits-sight: type "locate ports.conf"
[13:42] <spirits-sight> -bash: locate: command not found
[13:43] <epinky> spirits-sight: type "find /etc/apache2 -name ports.conf"
[13:44] <spirits-sight> ok found it its in /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[13:45] <RoyK> yes...
[13:45] <epinky> sudo nano /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[13:46] <spirits-sight> epinky: done
[13:46] <epinky> is there a line like "Listen XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX:80" ?
[13:47] <RoyK> yes
[13:47] <RoyK> well, there should be
[13:47] <RoyK> or Listen 80
[13:47] <RoyK> without the IP
[13:49] <spirits-sight> epinky: yes it says
[13:49] <spirits-sight> NameVirtualHost *:80
[13:49] <spirits-sight> Listen 80
[13:52] <epinky> spirits-sight: try changing to "Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:80", save,  and restart to see if it opens 80
[13:55] <jester7> can anyone tell me where karmic's syslog server resides?
[13:55] <jester7> previously, it was /sbin/syslogd
[13:55] <spirits-sight> epinky: it did not change the netstat
[13:55] <epinky> spirits-sight: try changing to "Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:8080", save,  and restart to see if it opens 8080
[13:55] <spirits-sight> epinky: brb
[13:56] <spirits-sight> ok
[13:57] <spirits-sight> epinky: nothing changed again, netstat
[13:57] <spirits-sight> brb
[14:03] <epinky> spirits-sight: "Listen your.linode.ip.address:80" also change "NameVirtualHost your.linode.ip.address:80" , save and restart, netstat a t the end
[14:15] <spirits-sight> epinky: it gave me some errors
[14:16] <epinky> spirits-sight: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[14:17] <spirits-sight> 34992 epinky
[14:19] <spirits-sight> http://pastebin.com/d4a4d5275
[14:19] <spirits-sight> epinky: ^^^
[14:22] <epinky> spirits-sight: change "NameVirtualHost your.linode.ip.address:8080", to check use "/usr/sbin/apache2ctl restart" and post results
[14:27] <spirits-sight> http://pastebin.com/d6b2eb25
[14:28] <spirits-sight> I changed listen and name... to linode ip:8080
[14:28] <spirits-sight> will u be on later then evening USA Est time
[14:29] <epinky> spirits-sight: it says trying to start, did it finish?
[14:30] <spirits-sight> no
[14:30] <epinky> don't you have prompt then?
[14:30] <spirits-sight> I have prompt
[14:30] <epinky> netstat -an?
[14:31] <spirits-sight> just try again same issue
[14:31] <spirits-sight> its listening to mysql and otehr stuff but not apache2
[14:32] <epinky> maybe you'll need to change ulimit on /etc/init.d/apache2, not sure, however "Unable to open logs"  is your error and the reason why apache2 does not start :(
[14:32] <spirits-sight> OK I have to leave,  if any other stuff please PM me try when get home
[14:33] <spirits-sight> ok thank
[14:33] <epinky> spirits-sight: good luck and bye
[14:33] <spirits-sight> thanks alot for the help
[14:33] <epinky> spirits-sight: you're welcome
[14:37] <selinuxium> hi all any EC2 users about? I am just getting started using the command line tools... Wondering if I should install eucalyptus... Also how to bundle a instance...  Cheer
[14:37] <selinuxium> s
[14:40] <_ruben> ugh .. i really needa set me up a distcc environment .. compiling a kernel just takes to long
[14:40] <_ruben> s/to/too/
[14:41] <rip> hello
[14:42] <aubre> Good morning
[15:18] <_ruben> bah .. lvm breaks when backporting a karmic/jaunty kernel to hardy .. guess im doing something wrong :/
[15:22] <ivoks> maybe you need to backport lvm userspace?
[15:23] <maswan> Hm. So, with theew new fancy upstart init job scripts, how do I prevent a service from starting automatically at boot?
[15:31] <epinky> maswan: rcconf?
[15:32] <maswan> ooh, never heard of it
[15:32] <maswan> "It is a TUI(Text User Interface) frontend to the update-rc.d command." doesn't sound very useful though
[15:36] <acalvo> maswan: why not? it means you can manage all your services at the different run levels
[15:36] <epinky> "how do I prevent a service from starting automatically at boot?" doesn't sound very difficult though
[15:38] <maswan> As far as I can tell, there are no rc?.d/*-links to delete, for say portmap
[15:38] <acalvo> I've a VM with a virtual hard disk, and I want to make it bigger. So far so easy, but since the partition are made with LVM, is it difficult to expand the logical volumes? is it safer? is as easy as running the lvextend command?
[15:38] <alvin> If I'm not mistaken, There are no runlevels anymore
[15:38] <ScottK> ttx: Can we move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-more-mail-integration from the last session today to tomorrow or Friday?  There's another session that I absolutely have to attend at that time.
[15:39] <Fenix|work> Greetings and salutations
[15:39] <maswan> So I'm not sure what use update-rc.d or any interface to that will be for those services that don't use that legacy interface
[15:39] <alvin> acalvo: yes, it's that easy. You need to to 2 things. Want an example?
[15:39] <acalvo> alvin: yes, thank you
[15:40] <alvin> Suppose you have vg0/opt . t is 1G and you want to make it 2:
[15:40] <alvin> $ sudo lvextend -L 2G vg0/opt
[15:40] <alvin> $ sudo resize2fs /dev/vg0/opt
[15:40] <acalvo> alvin: ok, fine
[15:40] <acalvo> I guess for ext4 there is a similar utility
[15:40] <Fenix|work> Any admins here familiar with rsyslog?  I'm having a logging duplication issue after applying templates for remote hosts.
[15:41] <alvin> acalvo: this works perfectly for ext4
[15:41] <ttx> ScottK: we can
[15:41] <ScottK> ttx: Thanks.
[15:41] <acalvo> alvin: thank you so much then
[15:42] <maswan> epinky: That's what I thought, except all the documentation and help thingies I could find is just for the "legacy" sysv init stuff...
[15:42] <ttx> ScottK: tomorrow 10am ?
[15:42] <ScottK> ttx: Checking
[15:42] <ScottK> ttx: Yes, please.
[15:44] <ttx> ScottK: done
[15:44] <Fenix|work> Which filesystem is best for logs?
[15:45] <ttx> ivoks: ^
[15:45] <ScottK> Thank you.
[15:46] <_ruben> i tend to store /var/log on an ext3 partition with noatime
[15:46] <epinky> Fenix|work: NILFS :)
[15:48] <Fenix|work> epinky, meh, don't need continuous snapshotting
[15:49] <maswan> devnullfs? :)
[15:49]  * Fenix|work sighs
[15:49] <epinky> Fenix|work: sorry, it was a joke, "logs for your logs" :D
[15:49]  * Fenix|work wondered why he never changed his syslog rules to log to /dev/nul
[15:50] <Fenix|work> err /dev/null
[15:50] <Fenix|work> epinky, I thought it was funny actually :)
[15:50] <Fenix|work> I understand though that NILFS is pretty good with solid state drives
[15:51] <Fenix|work> at least that's what linux-mag told me a few months ago
[15:51] <Fenix|work> or I could be dreaming it.
[15:52] <Fenix|work> anyway ...
[15:52] <Fenix|work> between reiser and ext, which would handle system logs better?
[15:54] <epinky> Fenix|work: my two cents on ReiserFS , BUT it's only an opinion
[15:55] <Fenix|work> I'm leaning towards reiserfs myself...
[15:55] <Fenix|work> ... just internally debating 3 or 4
[15:55] <Fenix|work> ... but I somehow find myself drifting my thoughts to inventor and wondering how his new life is coming along.
[15:56] <acalvo> Fenix|work: why not the new ext4?
[15:56] <Jeeves_> Fenix|work: What he said ^^^ :)
[15:57] <Fenix|work> I have no problem with ext4... I just don't want a lost+found folder
[15:57] <Fenix|work> my drive is already formatted ext4
[15:57] <Fenix|work> and it's nice to know I can create 16TiB files :)
[15:58] <acalvo> Fenix|work: so afraid of l+f?
[15:59] <Fenix|work> not afraid no... I'm just a freak I guess who doesn't like something for the sake of something to be there... create the folder when you actually have files that are lost and found...
[15:59] <Fenix|work> but I have a drive for logging and there will be a folder for every device on my network logging to it... then there is lost+found
[16:00] <acalvo> I think that folder has been there since older versions
[16:00] <Fenix|work> acalvo, and hence why I moved to resierfs :)
[16:00] <Fenix|work> I keep my boot as ext2 though, for all you old-timers :)
[16:00] <acalvo> well, I guess is a matter of taste
[16:00] <acalvo> I like the new ext4
[16:01] <acalvo> I've played with reiser4 (in the gentoo old-times)
[16:01] <Fenix|work> gentoo still around, or have they compiled themselves to oblivion yet?
[16:01]  * Fenix|work laughs... used to be an ArchTester
[16:02] <acalvo> I'm curious, is not critical to have one device to log all your network systems? what happen if someone gets inside? or if you lose connectivity?
[16:02] <Fenix|work> I still have the tag in my whois.
[16:02] <acalvo> well, I know is still around, but I don't want a 24h installation
[16:02] <acalvo> moreover, I haven't seen a new release since the main progammer left (in 2006 I think)
[16:02] <Fenix|work> acalvo, I'll have two syslog servers as a central repository for all logs, and all machines are still going to log to themselves if something happened to both central servers.
[16:03] <Fenix|work> I just want a single point to browse all logs from all devices
[16:03] <Fenix|work> throw in some utils to send out email alerts on warnings and up, and some utils to parse through the logs... and it'll make life easier
[16:03] <acalvo> what do you suggest? (it seems pretty interesting)
[16:04] <Fenix|work> manually searching over 150 devices is a pain in the ass
[16:04] <Fenix|work> acalvo, I just started this project... I decided to use Karmic as the base because of the switch to rsyslogd from sysklogd
[16:05] <Fenix|work> I'm going to try logging to files first and see how that works out...
[16:05] <netrat> i'm using postfix with cyrus and an sasl database for users. is there a way to extract a list of users for local_recipient_maps from the sasldb?
[16:05] <Fenix|work> on the other box I'm going to experiment with logging to MySQL
[16:05] <Fenix|work> netrat, and hello to you as well.
[16:06] <Fenix|work> acalvo, I'm not sure on what I'm going to use for the actual log interface... whether it'll be Splunk, or PHPLogCon
[16:06] <netrat> Fenix|work, hello
[16:06] <acalvo> Fenix|work: I'm using nagios + cacti
[16:06] <acalvo> and I was planning to use splunk in a centralized syslog system
[16:06] <acalvo> Fenix|work: did you try SNMP?
[16:06] <Fenix|work> acalvo, right now I'm leaning nagios + splunk + rove.  rove for the mobile aspect
[16:07] <Fenix|work> acalvo, not yet.  although rsyslogd has a facility for outputting SNMP traps
[16:07] <acalvo> most of the network systems already have SNMP into it
[16:07] <acalvo> and it's pretty easy to set them up
[16:07] <acalvo> and to catch it all with nagios
[16:08] <Fenix|work> acalvo, yeah, I still want a central location for all logs, specifically for auditing purposes...
[16:08] <Fenix|work> SOx sucks.
[16:08] <acalvo> well, if you need any advise about SNMP, or examples to control routers,printers,etc... drop around and ask :)
[16:10] <Fenix|work> acalvo, send me a PM and tell me the pros and cons...
[16:10] <Fenix|work> don't want to bore everyone else with off topic ;)
[16:41] <axisys> how do I find out why scripts under cron.daily is not running ?
[16:45] <axisys> anacron is not running.. doh!
[16:45] <axisys> /usr/sbin/anacron is present.. interesting
[16:45] <axisys> is NOT present i meant
[16:47] <axisys> just installed it
[16:50] <axisys> wait.. i am reading it wrong.. anacron is not needed .. so how come cron.daily's scripts did not run ? which log would tell me why cron.daily's script not running
[17:40] <smcquay> i'm trying to use a eucalyptus insta-cloud. i followed the instructions on the Ubuntu site, but when I try to connect to the virtual machine, my keys get denied. Has any one run into this issue, and how does one fix/diagnose it?
[18:00] <smcquay> yeah, it's very odd. it takes much longer than I'd suspect trying to connect, and then just doesn't connect. I've searched online for eucalyptus and the error I see (Permission denied (publickey)), but to no avail. is there a way to have an image that doesn't require ssh keys?
[18:13] <ahasenack> 2.4.18-0ubuntu1 is hanging at 100% cpu in karmic when I try to add data to a database defined in cn=config, has anybody seen this recently?
[18:13] <ahasenack> 64bits
[18:13] <ahasenack> it just sits in pid 16635] futex(0x7ff5f8a57c48, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL
[18:14] <ahasenack> 16594 openldap  20   0  187m 8500 4128 S  185  0.2   2:52.14 slapd
[18:15] <baffle> Hmm, I think Ubuntu should have compiled clvm against corosync instead of cman.
[18:36] <Fenix|work> I've a question.  How do I go about making an image of my server configuration so in the event of a catastrophy I can re-apply that image to the same hardware and have the system up and running as if nothing ever were to have happened... without the need to reinstall and reconfigure everything?
[18:37] <Fenix|work> Hmm... server configuration is a little ambiguous... I mean the entire server
[18:38] <djveer> If I am setting up a small web server for a client using Ubuntu server... what are some things I should take into consideration to provide as much uptime as cheaply as possible. Any suggestions?
[18:38] <djveer> OBviously i've thought of mirrrored drives, back up to an off site location to tape.. etc
[19:26] <Fenix|work> How do I go about creating a bootable recovery CD/DVD of my server install?
[19:48] <GammalSokk> mine \ NoPE
[20:09] <Fenix|work> Anyone have a how-to to create an apt mirror for local use?
[20:14] <guntbert> Fenix|work: have a look at apt-mirror
[20:14] <Fenix|work> guntbert, ok, thanks.
[20:15] <guntbert> Fenix|work: there also is good tutorial - but I cannot remember where - sorry
[20:15] <Fenix|work> I will search for it.
[20:16] <Fenix|work> guntbert, you use nagios?
[20:16] <guntbert> Fenix|work: no
[20:16] <Fenix|work> bummer...
[20:18] <guntbert> Fenix|work: the tutorial I used: http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror
[20:18] <Fenix|work> that's the one I'm looking at now.
[20:18] <Fenix|work> thanks :)
[20:19] <Fenix|work> guntbert, how big is the repo?
[20:20] <guntbert> Fenix|work: not sure, I don't have the disk with me right now - several 10GB I'd say
[20:21] <Fenix|work> can you mirror multiple releases?
[20:21] <Fenix|work> or multiple arches?
[20:21] <guntbert> Fenix|work: yes and yes
[20:22] <Fenix|work> sweet and sweeter.
[20:23] <cyphermox> guntbert, Fenix|work, last time I looked into it it was something of the 20G for a "quick and dirty mirror", where you get just the release stuff, and more like 200G or so for "everything"
[20:23] <cyphermox> not sure if this was per arch, but I guess (hope) not :)
[20:23] <Fenix|work> 20GB isn't too bad.
[20:24] <Fenix|work> most likely it would be per arch...
[20:24] <guntbert> cyphermox: I didn't count the src repos, but they do come only once :)
[20:24] <cyphermox> yeah :)
[20:24] <cyphermox> per arch, I don't know. It seems steep, even though there is a lot of stuff
[20:24] <Fenix|work> well, gcc for i686 and gcc for amd64 are two different beasts :)
[20:24] <cyphermox> note that these were numbers from the page about mirroring ubuntu...
[20:25] <Fenix|work> cyphermox, out of curiousity... do you use nagios?
[20:25] <Fenix|work> I'm debating about using a source install vs a package install
[20:27] <cyphermox> Fenix|work, no, i don't use nagios. The fact that it was text-based configs, changed manually, or having to install additional packages with weird deps annoyed me
[20:27] <cyphermox> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror/2
[20:29] <Fenix|work> it appears nagios' quick-start guide suggests install from source
[20:29] <Fenix|work> so, that is what i'll do.
[20:30] <cyphermox> nagios from source gives you very much up-to-date stuff. on the other hand, installing it from a package might be more convenient
[20:34] <Fenix|work> cyphermox, until an update that could potentially break my config :)
[20:34] <Fenix|work> pros and cons
[20:34] <Fenix|work> packages vs. source
[20:34]  * Fenix|work sighs
[21:32] <ninjah>       -  Since a packet is assigned to a FEC when it enters the network,
[21:32] <ninjah>          the ingress router may use, in determining the assignment, any
[21:32] <ninjah>          information it has about the packet, even if that information
[21:32] <ninjah>          cannot be gleaned from the network layer header.  For example,
[21:32] <ninjah>          packets arriving on different ports may be assigned to
[21:32] <ninjah>          different FECs.  Conventional forwarding, on the other hand,
[21:32] <ninjah>          can only consider information which travels with the packet in
[21:32] <ninjah>          the packet header.
[21:33] <ninjah> Whoops! wrong irc room
[21:41] <occy> Hey guys... anyone here ever used cgiirc?  I'm trying to get it set up on my Ubuntu server.  I have the irc server already up and going
[21:41] <occy> I did apt-get install cgiirc
[21:42] <occy> and have googled trying to find some sort of howto... but :/  (and I've read the docs) but am still confused
[21:45] <occy> Better question.  Where can I find the Ubuntu cgiirc documentation?
[21:53] <mjeanson> For UDS folks, Community server team dinner tonight. Let's meet in the lobby by 6:30PM. Everyone welcome.
[21:54] <Daviey> grr.. i think i'm double booked.
[22:20] <Wallace> Can anybody recommend a VPN server to use?  Clients will be ubuntu, and windoze.
[22:26] <ahe> Wallace: http://openvpn.net/ ?
[22:26] <ahe> didn't have to setup a VPN but if i had to i would go with openvpn
[22:29] <Wallace> so better than pptpd, or any of the other options available?
[22:43] <Reepicheep> Wallace: I use both pptpd and openvpn.. pptp is great for simplicity.. it integrates natively with many clients including linux and ubuntu.. but
[22:44] <Reepicheep> when security is a concern I reach for openvpn.. I like the fact that it is based on SSL
[22:45] <Reepicheep> s/linux and ubuntu/linux and windows/ ^^
[23:56] <mjeanson> Community Server Team dinner postponned to 7:15PM in the lobby.


[19:07] <cmaloney> Well, this is a proud day for an alum: https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/bishop-foley-high-school-president-removed-after-student-files-complaint-with-police
[19:28] <Scary_Guy> of course it's a catholic highshool.  Also I didn't know it was in my city
[19:28] <Scary_Guy> I just thought we had the two public ones
[23:48] <jrwren> no details of the complaint.
[23:49] <jrwren> I feel that the Archdiocese of Detroit does an above average job in matters of this regard.


[23:15] <jeremy31> I am trying to help fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1764645  It seems that the patch from opensuse bug report works, any pointers?
[23:36] <jeremy31> I will confirm that the https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bluetooth/bluetooth-next.git/commit/drivers/bluetooth?id=544a591668813583021474fa5c7ff4942244d654 commit makes it work for me


[02:11] <igmu> I am having audio issues. When I cold boot, output sound in sound settings is muted. When I unmuted & adjust sound to 100%, the sound works fine. If my system goes into suspend, I loose sound even when sound settings indicates that it is mot muted. I do not have the sound icon on my gnome control panel. I currently have the sound settings & system monitor windows open to possibly see what...
[02:11] <igmu> ...audio driver I am using. I see pulseaudio. Can anyone helpme get my audio default setting to unmute upon logon? How would I find the reason I loose audio after suspend?
[02:13] <holstein> igmu: i would check for, and apply updates
[02:13] <holstein> i would try a different kernel and/or alsa version
[02:13] <holstein> i would try these from a live CD if i didnt feel comfortable
[02:14] <igmu> I am copying this from system monitor if this helps.. Release 12.04 (precise) 32-bit, Kernel Linux 3.2.0-26-generic-pae, GNOME 3.4.1
[02:16] <igmu> I started from 10.04 LTS & I had no problems. I started having this issue once I upgrade to 11.04, I think. I think it's when Unity? was installed.
[02:28] <igmu> running Synaptic now...
[02:30] <igmu> It may take awhile because my bandwidth is throttled down. Someone is using a game system and is playing a online game.
[02:31] <igmu> I have marked 46 pages to upgrade...
[02:35] <holstein> nah, its not unity
[02:35] <holstein> if you think it is, install XFCE and test
[02:35] <holstein> i would try applying upgrades, then i would try differnt kernels or alsa versions.. or just install and use 10.04
[02:35] <holstein> i still have several 10.04 boxes running
[02:43] <igmu> I ugraded all packages. The packages that upgraded were mostly libreoffice, cups, python, gnome-session.
[02:46] <igmu> I also noticed that when I unmuted and set the volume of output sound, the test did not produce sound, but the alert sounds worked until I suspend the system.
[02:51] <holstein> igmu: that can make alsa crash
[02:51] <holstein> you can look into trying a differnt kernel version, maybe an earlier one... or a newer or older verion of ALSA
[02:54] <igmu> I do not know if I'm using GRUB, but I am not given kernel version options from the bootloader. In synaptic, I see linux-headers 3.2.0-24.39, 3.2.0-25.40, 3.2.0-26.41, & <IP_ADDRESS>.28 installed currently.
[02:56] <igmu> I have grub version 1.99-21ubuntu3.1 installed.
[02:56] <holstein> igmu: grum wont effect the sound
[02:56] <holstein> grub*
[02:56] <holstein> you can hit shift when booting, and go to previous versions
[02:56] <holstein> OR, review this
[02:56] <holstein> !grub | igmu
[02:56] <ubot2> igmu: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[02:57] <holstein> and set grub to show manually all the kernels
[02:57] <holstein> OR, load up a live CD with a different kernel and/or alsa version
[02:57] <igmu> I am asking how to change kernel versions.
[02:57] <holstein> igmu: i would hold shift at boot, and select older kernels
[02:57] <igmu> ok, thank you.
[02:58] <igmu> I will reboot now to try to change kernel versions... I am crossing my mouse buttons :)
[02:59] <igmu> ty
[03:08] <Igmu> Holding shift works to select kernel versions. I am now using my phone to irc. Most current kernel version displayed in grub is 3.2.0-26-generic-pae. Earliest kernel version is 2.6.32-41-generic. I have 9 kernel versions to choose the are not recovery mode.
[03:10] <Igmu> Should i start with the earliest kernel & test the sound issue then work my way to the current version until the sound problem arises?
[03:13] <holstein> Igmu: thats an option... you can try some older kernels and see.. or alsa versions
[03:28] <Igmu> Trying to run earliest kernel. I'm getting several fails & errors.
[03:29] <holstein> you might.. try the last one that worked
[03:29] <holstein> try 10.04 live..
[03:29] <holstein> try reloading alsa after the crash
[03:30] <Igmu> I'm switching between tty1 & lightDM/GNOMEDM
[03:32] <Igmu> I have no graphics page to login using GUI. Rebooting to next kernel.
[03:33] <Igmu> How would i switch alsa versions? Is that something i can do in synaptic?
[03:33] <holstein> thats one way to do it... or just try live CD's with different versions
[03:34] <holstein> at some point, you need to determine if the hardware is funcitoning properly.. you can do that with a 10.04 live CD
[03:34] <holstein> then, you can dertermine if its the alsa version, or try and see what is making the sound crash
[03:35] <holstein> i would try and get the sound to crash, and just reload alsa
[03:35] <holstein> i would spend about 3 minutes on each of these troubleshooting steps
[03:38] <Igmu> Once i find a workable kernel version, should i start with lssound (i think that is the command) to establish hardware to accurately troubleshoot between hardware & software?
[03:39] <holstein> whatever it takes... i would literally just load the other kernel back up.. get it to crash... and reload alsa
[03:39] <holstein> i would maybe look at some logs.. i would search google for some bugs relating to that hardware
[03:40] <holstein> i would try running in a terminal "aplay -l" for that information before and after the crash
[03:57] <Igmu> I am logging this session for my notes... Kernel version 3.2.0-24-generic is the earliest version to fully load GUI without major errors. Audio is still muted by default, unmuting & volume adjusting produces alert sounds but the test sound still does not produce sound.
[03:58] <holstein> Igmu: i would run in a terminal "aplay -l"
[04:00] <Igmu> Aplay command is not installed. Checking aptitude for aplay
[04:00] <holstein> Igmu: what are you running?
[04:01] <holstein> aplay should be there... aplay and arecord
[04:02] <Igmu> Ubuntu 12.04? Is answering what I'm running.
[04:02] <Igmu> ?
[04:02] <holstein> should have been installed by default
[04:02] <Igmu> Dammit. Forgot sodu...
[04:02] <holstein> how did you install it?
[04:03] <Igmu> I started this system from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS cd.
[04:04] <holstein> maybe the upgrade has failed?
[04:04] <holstein> i would try a live CD... a 12.04 live CD.. i would let it sleep... i would see if the sound crashes
[04:06] <Igmu> The only unique package that is getting my finger print reader to work for GUI & terminal password entry.
[04:06] <holstein> sure.. but aplay should be there, and you are having issues...
[04:07] <Igmu> Ok. I have to download a 12.04 iso to burn.
[04:07] <holstein> gotta sleep... goodluck!
[04:07] <holstein> check the sum, and try it live
[04:07] <holstein> !md5
[04:07] <ubot2> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[04:07] <holstein> GN
[04:08] <Igmu> Tyvm, sir.
[05:19] <Igmu> Update to my sound issue...
[05:21] <Igmu> I updated using synaptic. I went through different kernels. I finally entered the latest kernel, updated using aptitude in terminal, rebooted...
[05:23] <Igmu> Now I have an audio icon in my gnome control panel. It still defaulted muted & audio icon in gnome control panel did not respond to left or right clicks of the mouse.
[13:03] <Tzem> Hello to all.How to get the accomplichment Ubuntu Beginners Team Member .I've done all he need.
[14:14] <pandamensch> hey guys. question for you. I have this rss feed window that I want to stick to the tool bar that I set up on top of the screen, so that when I fullscreen windows, the window doesn't go over the rss feed. Anyone has a clue how I could do this?
[14:14] <pandamensch> my rss feed is tickr.
[17:33] <Bentheplantguy> i just did the 12.04 upgrade.  i'm running Firefox 13.0.  why doesn't Youtube "play all" continuously, and why are all other video sites disabled/videos wont play?
[17:48] <holstein> Bentheplantguy: i would try the official chrome browser, and see about the flash version bundled with it
[17:50] <holstein> you could also try adding the stable firefox ppa
[17:56] <geirha> some old firefox settings may be causing issues, I'd try with a fresh profile. To try a fresh profile, close firefox, then hit Alt+F2 to run   firefox -ProfileManager
[17:56] <geirha> or log in as guest user and try firefox there
[22:07] <naskopalov> hello
[22:16] <Unit193> Howdy.


[00:06] <leleobhz> can i change the password of revu?
[00:06] <sistpoty> no
[00:07] <leleobhz> hmmm
[00:07] <leleobhz> when i make my packages i must to use current or unstable version (this case, hardy+1)
[00:08] <sistpoty> yes, or build and test them in a chroot
[00:08] <leleobhz> sistpoty: ok, but i must use stable (hardy) or hardy+1 on this case
[00:08] <ScottK> Laney: If you can offer a good technical rationale, it should be fine.
[00:09] <wgrant> leleobhz: You must build the package in an Intrepid environment.
[00:09] <sistpoty> leleobhz: well, you'll need to build the packages for intrepid (e.g. in an intrepid pbuilder, or in a clean intrepid chroot)
[00:09] <wgrant> Whether chroot or real.
[00:10] <leleobhz> ok
[00:11] <leleobhz> i have a great cross compile script suite
[00:11] <leleobhz> i use to make backports too
[00:12] <leleobhz> so 0ubuntu3 for hardy turns 0ubuntu4 for intrepid?
[00:14] <jml> sistpoty: hello. are you still around?
[00:14] <sistpoty> jml: for a few minutes, yes
[00:14] <leleobhz> Distribution is intrepid.
[00:14] <leleobhz> Building the build environment
[00:14] <leleobhz> hoho, nice ;]
[00:14] <leleobhz> sistpoty: what i do with package version?
[00:15] <sistpoty> leleobhz: if the package is not yet in ubuntu, start with <upstream-version>-0ubuntu1.
[00:15] <jml> sistpoty: I'm on the Launchpad codehosting team. We've finally got around to looking at your branch
[00:15] <leleobhz> sistpoty: its on revu
[00:15] <leleobhz> sistpoty: on revu has for hardy
[00:15] <sistpoty> leleobhz: then there's no need to increase the version number, as long as it's not yet in the archive
[00:16] <sistpoty> jml: excellent, thanks!
[00:16] <jml> sistpoty: can you confirm that it works?
[00:16] <leleobhz> sistpoty: so return to 0ubuntu1?
[00:16] <leleobhz> and put target to intrepid?
[00:16] <sistpoty> jml: I've seen that RainCT has committed again, so I assume it works :)
[00:16] <jml> sistpoty: ok. cool.
[00:16] <sistpoty> leleobhz: yes
[00:16] <leleobhz> ok
[00:17] <sistpoty> jml: thank you very much for fixing it :)
[00:17] <ajmitch> morning jml :)
[00:17] <jml> ajmitch: hi
[00:17] <jml> sistpoty: no problems. sorry for breaking it in the first place :)
[00:18] <sistpoty> heh
[00:18] <ajmitch> have you been doing naughty things to code again?
[00:19] <jml> ajmitch: no, I've been fixing up the naughty things I did before.
[00:20] <ajmitch> that's a good thing
[00:20] <jml> ajmitch: I'm full of goodness :D
[00:21] <jml> well, coffee.
[00:21] <jml> but they are roughly the same thing anyway.
[00:21] <lifeless> :P
[00:29]  * sistpoty goes to bed now... gn8 everyone
[01:06] <Laney> Was a merge necessary for this? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14380019/gpsk31_0.4.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[01:06] <Laney> AIUI it would have gotten rebuilt anyway
[01:11] <persia> Laney: No.  That ought to have been a sync request.  The previously introduced Ubuntu variation ought have been assigned with the build1 nomenclature, but we weren't as well organised with variation nomenclature back in feisty.
[01:12] <persia> Laney: From which bug was that derived?
[01:12] <Laney> persia: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpsk31/+bug/228499
[01:13]  * persia grumbles about the spurious, useless, and actively inhibiting presence of "edge" in the URL.
[01:13] <persia> Bah.  It's already been released.
[01:13] <Laney> Sorry!
[01:13] <Laney> Yeah, I only saw it as there's a new Debian version. I'll request a sync for that one
[01:13] <persia> Sponsors: please verify that a merge is worthwhile before sponsoring.
[01:13] <persia> Laney: That works.  Thanks.
[01:14] <persia> (Assuming build success, etc.)
[01:14]  * Laney nods
[02:01] <ScottK> If someone wants reporting changes to Debian practice, have a look at amavisd-new.  It has some stuff that should be reported (that I haven't got to) and some that shouldn't.
[02:02] <ScottK> I'll be glad to review it and provide advice.
[02:23]  * mneptok hands ScottK a tall, cool glass of vitriol
[02:23] <ScottK> What happend now?
[02:24] <mneptok> i read mailing lists.
[02:24] <mneptok> i need to stop doing that/
[02:24] <ScottK> Bah.  Old news.
[02:26] <ScottK> Besides which, that was me with the CoC tempering my words.
[02:36] <ajmitch> mneptok: so your employer is part of the Axis of Evil now?
[02:37] <lifeless> part of?
[02:38] <persia> Axis?  Doesn't the shape change when there are more than two poles?
[02:39] <ajmitch> just referring to his post on planet ubuntu
[02:40] <persia> It could be improved by the use of: £
[02:41] <ajmitch> persia: well, it's a term that goes back a few decades at least :)
[02:41] <persia> ajmitch: True.
[02:41] <mneptok> ajmitch: wait until you see the 200ft reenforced concrete statue of sabdfl
[02:42] <mneptok> "Juche. An ancient African word meaning 'It's all for sale, baby.'"
[02:43] <ajmitch> where will the statue be built?
[02:44] <mneptok> on the grave of the GPL. or maybe New Jersey.
[02:45] <lifeless> the grave of new jersey is a bit big
[02:45] <lifeless> though perhaps it could be a small headstone for that grave
[02:54] <ScottK> It was a fun thread.
[03:07] <mneptok> ScottK: your definition of "fun" disturbs me
[03:07] <wgrant> mneptok: But Micronical is evil!
[03:08] <wgrant> (!!11!11!e°!11!)
[03:08] <ajmitch> spoken like a true shill
[03:09] <ScottK> No, no, no.  In that thread we clearly established the nixternal is the shill.
[03:09] <ajmitch> oh right, for his slight sympathy of opensuse
[03:09] <nixternal> Microshill I think was the word
[03:09] <wgrant> Microvell shill.
[03:09] <nixternal> openSUSE rocks, I don't care what anyone saysw
[03:09] <ajmitch> and not for his unrequited love of vista
[03:09] <nixternal> ya, that was it
[03:09] <wgrant> Hence Micronical.
[03:10] <ScottK> nixternal: Only if you enjoy being an unpaid beta tester for sles.
[03:10] <nixternal> just like we all are with Ubuntu :P
[03:10] <ScottK> Having this shiny new opensuse 10.1 desktop that looked and worked great except it could never be updated was enough for me.
[03:11] <ajmitch> tester? no, you're an unpaid developer's slave
[03:11] <ScottK> 10.1 was my first and last opensuse release.
[03:13]  * wgrant has never used S\.?[uU]\.?S\.?E
[03:14] <wgrant> Though I do admit to using Mandrake at one stage.
[03:14] <wgrant> What's so good about openSUSE?
[03:14] <mneptok> wgrant: how much did "they" pay you to say that?
[03:14] <mneptok> wgrant: the tiny community means quick bug triaging?
[03:14] <mneptok> "OMG! we got a user bug report!"
 I couldn't work out how to remove the darn thing.
[03:19] <ScottK> He's the shill.  Remember.
[03:19] <ajmitch> right
[03:29] <nixternal> just because I worked for Microsoft doesn't make me a shill :P
[03:33] <ScottK> No.  Being a shill makes you a shill.  ;-)
[03:35] <nixternal> true
[03:36]  * mneptok wonders how nixternal will enjoy the next release of openSuSE, which will use GNOME exclusively
[03:37] <mneptok> muahahahahaha
[03:37] <ajmitch> I almost felt sorry for nixternal there
[03:37] <nixternal> hehe
[03:37] <StevenK> Hah
[03:37] <nixternal> mneptok: there is still the KDE button for openSUSE
[03:38] <nixternal> plus they still have the KDE CDs
[03:38] <ajmitch> nixternal: the 'Install Kubuntu' button?
[03:38] <nixternal> that's all I need anyways :P
[03:39]  * ScottK is just glad Debian decided to stick with KDE 3.5.9 for Lenny.  That makes fore a good plan B.
[03:40] <ScottK> My Kubuntu motto for our next release is, "Intrepid Ibex in the jungle of KDE4.    Which will it be?  Find out.  Upgrade today."
[03:41] <ajmitch> So we'll have random snapshots from SVN on release day?
[03:42] <ScottK> Probably not svn snapshots, but I expect we'll be patching up to the last minute.
[03:43] <mneptok> ScottK: may i suggest "Your desktop has changed. It's our desktop now. No files or folders kthxbai."
[03:44] <ScottK> Not scary enough to encourage people to use it.
[03:44] <nixternal> no files or folders?
[03:44] <nixternal> I have both on my KDE 4 desktop
[03:44] <ajmitch> It's the way of the future
[03:45] <nixternal> I actually have files and folders from Documents, Graphics, and Dev on my KDE 4 desktop
[03:48] <mneptok> nixternal: can you drag a file into a folder?
[03:48] <nixternal> with trunk I can
[03:49] <mneptok> ah, the ability to move files and folders has just landed in KDE, eh? >:)
[03:49] <ajmitch> It's not stupid, it's advanced
[03:50] <mneptok> an argument that would work well in a world where Jerry Lewis won a Nobel prize.
[03:50] <lifeless> does KDE have a desktop again?
[03:50] <lifeless> last I heard it had a very pretty area that users couldn't touch
[03:50] <ajmitch> mneptok: you don't recall the glorious days of invader zim?
[03:52]  * mneptok is a Gir-head
[04:03] <marnold> excuse me could i have a quick review of http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=php-gnupg
[04:07] <ScottK> Are you sure you really want to package that?
[04:07] <ScottK> Personally I don't think I'm going to be sticking my GPG keys behind a php script.
[04:18] <marnold> only a fool sticks his private keys on the web
[04:18] <marnold> is more for building keyrings and such
[04:19] <marnold> like if you wanted to LaunchPad in PHP
[04:20] <marnold> but i suppose if you had a role key it wouldn't be to bad
[04:20] <persia> As long as nobody trusts the role key overmuch.
[04:21]  * persia wants a "Count indicated trust by this key as negative" trust metric
[04:21] <marnold> but how does it look
[04:22] <marnold> its been awhile since i did a Ubuntu upload
[04:23] <marnold> :)
[04:32] <nixternal> mneptok: Gir-head? Is that like Gearhead done Nelly style?
[04:32] <nixternal> you from st. louis or sumpin' ;p
[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:59] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[08:00] <dholbach> hiya ajmitch
[08:39] <stgraber> Anyone here who can spend some minutes looking at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=emu8051 ?  The President
[12:42] <huats> ;)
[12:43]  * norsetto wonders if all is well with huatskozy
[12:43] <huats> don't worry... it is not a big deal for this time to have forgotten  that ;)
[12:43] <huats> norsetto: LOL
[12:44] <huats> norsetto: btw you should introduce me an italian model to become my wife :)
[12:44] <huats> (not sure everybody will agree with that ;))
[12:44] <norsetto> huats: sorry, I'm short of them at the moment
[12:45] <huats> pfff I am really disapointed
[12:45] <norsetto> huats: and with you ever leave your gf I will never talk to you again (she is too lovely)
[12:46] <huats> norsetto: :)
[12:46] <huats> norsetto: don't worry i don't envisage to do so... she just have to become a model and italian... and it'll be OK :)
[12:47] <norsetto> huats: well, she could on both fronts, so, consider it so :-)
[12:47] <huats> ;)
[12:47] <huats> LOl
[12:47] <huats> I'll tell her :)
[12:48] <norsetto> huats: hmmmm, I don't know if being Italian could be a compliment, hope she takes it positively ;-)
[12:49] <huats> ;)
[12:49] <huats> I am sure she will
[12:53]  * norsetto -> lunch
[13:28]  * norsetto <- lunch
[13:48] <gaspa> norsetto: -> coffe?
[13:49] <norsetto> gaspa: good idea, a deca for me thx
[13:50] <gaspa> norsetto: ok, but arriving at you, it'll become cold...
[13:51] <norsetto> gaspa: thermos?
[13:51] <gaspa> fine. ;) i'm calling "bartolini" to send it to you.
[13:51] <theseinfeld> If there is a package that is imported from Debian and I have better integration to Ubuntu, whom should I assign the bug?
[13:52] <theseinfeld> anybody can point me to someone?
[13:52] <norsetto> gaspa: thx!
[13:52] <gaspa> i'm sure it'll arrive with the case broken... ;)
[13:52] <norsetto> theseinfeld: say it again?
[13:54] <theseinfeld> well, I have been working in Revu on a package that was meanwhile imported from Debian. I filled the bug and uploaded my diffs to that, the question is, to whom should I assign that bug? Who is responsible of that archive uploads to take a look at the diff?
[13:56] <norsetto> theseinfeld: was that a new package?
[13:56] <theseinfeld> it is in intrepid
[13:56] <theseinfeld> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdc1394-22/2.0.2-1
[13:57] <theseinfeld> bug 238492
[13:57] <theseinfeld> I was working on Revu since February to get it done, while I gave up convincing debian people that it has some issues
[13:58] <ScottK> Don't assign it to anyone.
[13:59] <ScottK> theseinfeld: Subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[13:59] <theseinfeld> the bug? or join chan?
[13:59] <theseinfeld> :D
[13:59] <ScottK> The bug
[13:59] <theseinfeld> thanks ScottK
[14:00] <theseinfeld> I will hate to see all the work and time wasted
[14:02] <gaspa> theseinfeld: file a bug in debian too... your work could be also useful for them.
[14:02] <broonie> theseinfeld: The debian situation with firewire is kind of a mess due to the kernel team deciding to drop the old stack.
[14:03] <theseinfeld> broonie, wooo, I like it. So, we all jump to juju :)
[14:04]  * broonie notes that the Debian maintainer may be unenthusiastic about conversion to CDBS
[14:05]  * theseinfeld knows that...
[14:05] <theseinfeld> But that was the least...
[14:09] <theseinfeld> have to go...
[14:09] <theseinfeld> cheers
[15:07] <lukehasnoname> Do the install DVDs support the server edition install, and does the DVD have all from the repos on it?
[15:08] <slytherin> lukehasnoname: not universe and multiverse
[15:09] <lukehasnoname> Is there some way to download the entire repo to a local drive, or clone it and make my own local repo?
[15:10] <lukehasnoname> My test machine doesn't have internet and I want to try some stuff out
[15:10] <Laney> lukehasnoname: apt-mirror
[15:11] <Laney> lukehasnoname: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/06/10/how-to-create-an-ubuntu-repository-mirror-on-ubuntu-804/
[15:11] <Laney> lukehasnoname: also, \sh did one here http://www.sourcecode.de/content/ubuntu-mirror-what-if-i-need-it-easy
[15:14] <\sh> Laney: that's about online mirroring...when you do have internet connection ;) but local lan...you need to mirror the stuff on the machine with i-net access and then provide this mirror to the machine without inet access, but eventually it has LAN access only
[15:14] <Laney> Well obviously you need internet at some point
[15:14] <lukehasnoname> right, that would do. I'd just need a night or two of internet on one machine
[15:15] <lukehasnoname> I think that would do, anyway. Thanks laney
[15:15] <lukehasnoname> esp. for showing me that site, period. Tutorials are always handy
[15:15] <Laney> np
[15:15] <Laney> You're lucky that these came up on the planet yesterday ;)
[15:16] <lukehasnoname> Ya, I saw that the tutorial came up yesterday
[15:16] <lukehasnoname> how convenient
[15:17] <lukehasnoname> "I want to get online. I need a computer!"
[15:23] <Laney> It is?
[15:25] <norsetto> Laney: nix is REVU $deity, if he says it is, then it is ...
[15:25] <norsetto> !nixternal
[15:25] <Laney> norsetto: Yeah, I meant that it doesn't seem to have been advertised anywhere...!
[15:26] <Hobbsee> oh noes.  revu day!
[15:26] <norsetto> Laney: give him time to wake up ;-)
[15:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ping for a chat?
[15:26] <Laney> Anyway I'm happy - I've had stuff on REVU for a while now :D
[15:28] <nixternal> Hobbsee: howdy
[15:41] <Laney> norsetto: May I merge battleball?
[15:42] <norsetto> Laney: pls. do
[15:42] <Laney> Thanks :>
[15:42]  * Laney will get pasta then do
[15:46] <jpds> hmm, pasta
[15:50] <james_w> sorry to ask for it, but would anyone be willing to upload the fix in bug 190450 to hardy-proposed?
[15:54] <norsetto> james_w: what about ov511? Is this bug applicable to that package?
[15:54] <james_w> norsetto: well, a similar bug, yes, I don't have a fix for that one.
[15:54] <norsetto> james_w: ok
[15:55] <james_w> the two issues were mixed by the time that I came across it, they should be separate reports really.
[15:56] <norsetto> james_w: perhaps its a good idea to mark the ov511 tasks as invalids then and open a new bug about that problem
[15:56] <james_w> that's a good idea.
[15:58] <leleobhz> ehlo guys ;]
[15:58] <norsetto> james_w: was 466371 the debian bug where you found the patch?
[15:59] <james_w> norsetto: nope, that's a different issue apparently.
[15:59] <norsetto> james_w: yes, you have any reference?
[15:59] <james_w> Debian already has the fix from upstream, so I'm not worried about hunting down a bug report there.
[15:59] <james_w> you're after where I got it from upstream?
[16:01] <norsetto> james_w: I would like to make sure that we quote the author, whoever that is, in the changelog
[16:01] <james_w> ah, ok.
[16:01] <james_w> Klinski Mirko  apparently
[16:01] <james_w> http://www.rastageeks.org/ov51x-jpeg/index.php/Changelog
[16:02] <norsetto> james_w: ok, can you add it to the changelog then pls?
[16:03] <james_w> sure
[16:12] <james_w> norsetto: done, thanks.
[16:15] <luisbg> is there a way to see all the tree of dependencies a package has? like what you can see as dependencies in packages.ubuntu.com, but with also the dependencies of the dependencies
[16:16] <ScottK> luisbg: Please ask on just one channel at a time.
[16:16] <luisbg> ScottK, sorry, I wanted to ask here since its a packaging question
[16:16] <luisbg> and then I noticed I asked in the wrong tab
[16:16] <luisbg> my bad :(
[16:16] <twruottu> It's REVU day?
[16:17] <norsetto> twruottu: (hint) see channel topic
[16:17] <ScottK> luisbg: Then it'd be polite to mention that on the other channel so people there don't waste their time.
[16:18] <twruottu> norsetto: Oh. The name list flooded the topic out of screen
[16:18] <norsetto> james_w: uploaded, thx for chasing this out
[16:18] <norsetto> twruottu: Wed. June 11, 2008 - REVU Day!
[16:19] <luisbg> ScottK, done :)
[16:19] <james_w> norsetto: thanks!
[16:19] <twruottu> I'm looking after second sponsor for my package mi2svg. I have uploaded the package to REVU and fixed all issues that have been brought up. See http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=mi2svg
[16:20] <james_w> luisbg: "apt-cache dotty" may be something like you want.
[16:20] <norsetto> cyberix2: Standards-Version is 3.8.0 now :-(
[16:21] <cyberix2> damn
[16:21] <cyberix2> Then I have to get into my car and start driving home wards
[16:21] <cyberix2> :-D
[16:22] <luisbg> james_w, thanks :)
[16:22] <norsetto> cyberix2: just check if you have to make any changes in /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz
[16:22] <cyberix2> As I keep my PGP key in my safe or some other secret secure place instead of a USB stick.
[16:22] <james_w> luisbg: also "apt-cache --recurse depends"
[16:23] <norsetto> cyberix2: take your time, I will be around for another 7 hrs or so
[16:23] <cyberix2> norsetto: Can I find that document online somewhere?
[16:23] <luisbg> james_w, awesome!
[16:24] <norsetto> cyberix2: its in the debian-policy package which is in debian/ubuntu repos
[16:24] <cyberix2> norsetto: K
[16:24] <cyberix2> norsetto: Thanks
[16:25] <norsetto> cyberix2: de nada, I'll check to see if there is some more and will let you have any comment anyhow
[16:27] <norsetto> cyberix2: looking at the package I doubt you will have to make any changes though
[16:27] <cyberix2> norsetto: Thanks a lot. I'll start driving. Please post any further observations to REVU so I can fix them all once I get home. I'll get back to you later.
[16:27] <cyberix2> ok?
[16:28] <norsetto> cyberix2: sure thing
[16:28] <cyberix2> See you later, bye
[16:58] <RainCT> slomo__: did you have a look at gbrainy?
[17:18]  * sistpoty|work heads home
[17:18] <sistpoty|work> cya
[17:18] <mathiaz> Koon: shoot
[17:18] <mathiaz> Koon: was the list I sent you usefull ?
[17:18] <Koon> mathiaz: yes, very useful.
[17:19] <Koon> mathiaz: the "updated" merges have to be worked on, too, I suppose, not only outstabding ones
[17:20] <mathiaz> Koon: yes - although we try to focus first on the outstanding ones
[17:20] <Koon> mathiaz: first question is about config.{sub,guess}.
[17:20] <mathiaz> Koon: we try to merge each package at least *once* during each cycle
[17:20] <Koon> mathiaz: on the libcgi merge, they conflict...
[17:21] <Koon> mathiaz: should I try to merge them, take the Debian one... or just ignore them
[17:21] <mathiaz> Koon: most of the time these files are regenerated during build time
[17:21] <Koon> mathiaz: yes, that's why I ask ;)
[17:21] <mathiaz> Koon: so you don't really care about it
[17:22] <Koon> ok, I can let the automerge resolve the conflicts in them, but I don't talk about them in "Remaining chnages"
[17:22] <mathiaz> Koon: the best ressource I've found about this is the autotools-dev package
[17:22] <Koon> mathiaz: second question is about courier-authlib merge.
[17:23] <mathiaz> Koon: /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/
[17:23] <Koon> if you look at the changelog, the "Remaining changes" are very simple.
[17:23] <mathiaz> Koon: the README.Debian.gz outlines what the problems are
[17:23] <Koon> but if you look at the base -> ubuntu patch, it's just enormous.
[17:24] <Koon> 226 files, 4M diff
[17:25] <mathiaz> Koon: which patch are you looking at ?
[17:25] <Koon> courier-authlib_0.60.1-1ubuntu2.patch
[17:26] <Koon> the base-> debian patch is so simple (and the merge process did produce a viable tarball) that I could just report the last changelog and be done with it... but that troubles me
[17:26] <bddebian> Heya folks
[17:27] <mathiaz> Koon: right - it seems that the ubuntu version has some .deps/ dependencies in it
[17:27] <mathiaz> Koon: probably that the clean target doesn't work properly
[17:28] <mathiaz> Koon: so the source package was build with things that were left from a previous binary build
[17:28] <Koon> hmmkay.
[17:29] <geser> Hi bddebian
[17:29] <mathiaz> Koon: looking at the lsdiff, there are lots of files in .deps/
[17:29] <Koon> but there are lots of things outside .deps too. Maybe the result of the same problem
[17:29] <mathiaz> Koon: probably related - most of the file are files autogenerated by the autoconfigure tools
[17:30] <mathiaz> Koon: Makefile, config.status, config.h, etc...
[17:30] <Koon> mathiaz: Ok, I will look into it from that angle
[17:31] <mathiaz> Koon: yeah - read up on the autotools-dev package so that you start to grasp the issue with it
[17:31] <Koon> mathiaz: ok then, do you mind if I handle the icecast2 merge (will be a sync request, more than probably)
[17:31] <mathiaz> Koon: then you can look into the patch, using filterdiff to remove the files that are not necessary
[17:31] <mathiaz> Koon: np - go ahead please.
[17:32] <mathiaz> Koon: did you go through all the list I sent you ?
[17:33] <Koon> mathiaz: not all the list. I started a couple of hours ago.
[17:33] <mathiaz> Koon: ok - so far did you find the merge difficult ?
[17:34] <cyberix> norsetto: back
[17:34] <mathiaz> Koon: I ask that because I've tried to pick merges that *seemed* easier than others.
[17:34] <cyberix> norsetto: Is that shorter download url form a convention?
[17:34] <Koon> mathiaz: no, they were quite simple cases
[17:34] <cyberix> norsetto: How did you run lintian?
[17:35] <cyberix> norsetto: I could not get that error
[17:35] <norsetto> cyberix: did you run it on the binary?
[17:35] <bddebian> Heya geser
[17:36] <cyberix> norsetto: on the deb-file?
[17:37] <cyberix> Also, is there some tool for just validating the man page?
[17:37] <cyberix> directly
[17:38] <norsetto> cyberix: yes, on the deb or better yet on the binary changes
[17:41] <cyberix> I used it on the deb
[17:41] <cyberix> But I have no idea what is wrong
[17:42] <cyberix> I would need some(one) or tool to tell me more about the problem
[17:42] <Laney> cyberix: lintian -i will give you more info
[17:44] <mathiaz> Koon: was the documentation I've pointed you to useful ?
[17:45] <Koon> mathiaz: yes. Note that the two wikipages are the same, in fact
[17:46] <mathiaz> Koon: the content has been merged now ?
[17:46] <mathiaz> Koon: I haven't looked at them precisely
[17:47] <Koon> mathiaz: apparently. The MOTU one redirects to the other one.
[17:47] <mathiaz> Koon: oh - that has been done recently then - good :)
[17:48] <norsetto> cyberix: I think its the (c) character
[17:48] <cyberix> I realize that
[17:48] <cyberix> But there should be nothing wrong with it
[17:48] <mathiaz> Koon: I'm planing to publish such lists of easy merges in order to get people started in merging.
[17:49] <cyberix> "* New Homepage field for upstream web sites." I already used that field with some earlier packages. I hope I didn't break anything.
[17:49] <mathiaz> Koon: that's why I wanted to have your feedback on the level of difficulty I've chosen
[17:49] <norsetto> cyberix: well, using nroff your manpage shows this: Copyright Â© 2005
[17:51] <cyberix> Interresting
[17:51] <Koon> mathiaz: I guess packages where you merge from the same upstream version are the easiest
[17:51] <cyberix> vim shows it correctly
[17:51] <cyberix> So does cat
[17:52] <mathiaz> Koon: well - I've opted to compare the changelog actually
[17:52] <mathiaz> Koon: looking at the changelog in Ubuntu and Debian
[17:52] <Koon> mathiaz: ok
[17:52] <mathiaz> Koon: that gives a first idea at the work that may be required.
[17:53] <mathiaz> Koon: I'll also add some metrics (such as diffstats and lsdiff)
[17:53] <mathiaz> Koon: and the list of conflicts from the potential merge
[17:53] <mterry> I want to add a simple patch to a package which doesn't use a patch system right now. I tried adding cdbs's simple-patchsys.mk, but when I try to run cdbs-edit-patch, I get: "target file `clean' has both : and :: entries.  Stop."  Is there a way to easily add simple-patch without overhauling the various targets already in debian/rules?  If not, how do I make the two clean's play nice?
[17:54] <cyberix> man pages require you to specify encoding in some way?
[17:54] <mathiaz> Koon: all these information should help giving a rough idea about the level of difficulty of a merge
[17:54] <cyberix> I don't do that, because I could not find a way to do it.
[17:54] <Koon> mathiaz: the doc from autotools-dev is really interesting. thanks for pointing that out
[17:54] <james_w> mterry: if the package doesn't use cdbs then you won't be able to use cdbs-simple-patchsys, sorry.
[17:55] <mathiaz> Koon: yeah - I've read the README.Debian a couple of times and still haven't grasped all the details in there.
[17:55] <persia> mterry: You're better off using dpatch or quilt if you're not using all of CDBS.  Of the two, dpatch has better documentation (both externally and in patches), and quilt is more flexible about handling conflicts.
[17:55] <persia> james_w: Well, it's possible to use only part of CDBS, but it makes kittens cry...
[17:57] <mterry> persia: I'm not trying to solve kitten sadness syndrome here.  I just want a patch.  :)
[17:58] <persia> mterry: OK.  Using part of CDBS will make you cry :)
[17:58] <mterry> persia: Fair
[17:58] <persia> Just use dpatch.  There's a nice dpatch.mk you can include, and you can use dpatch-edit-patch to edit the patch.  Just remember to add a patch comment to every dpatch.
[17:59]  * mterry reads a dpatch howto
[17:59] <cyberix> norsetto: Also man shows the text correctly
[18:01] <cyberix> Also I can't get lintian to notice the error anymore
[18:02] <cyberix> lintian did complain with the previous upstream version
[18:02] <cyberix> norsetto: What options did you pass to lintian?
[18:06] <norsetto> cyberix: just use (c) and we get rid of it
[18:09] <cyberix> Thats what the japanese people do? :-D
[18:10] <cyberix> This might be an error in lintian.
[18:10] <cyberix> actually
[18:10] <cyberix> I don't get that error
[18:11] <cyberix> So there just might be nothing wrong
[18:11] <norsetto> cyberix: I'm getting that character when I use man, so there is something definetively wrong
[18:12] <cyberix> Interresting
[18:12] <cyberix> so lintian works differently on different systems
[18:12] <cyberix> Are you sure you don't have the old version of my package?
[18:13] <cyberix> 0.1.5
[18:13] <cyberix> should be correct
[18:13] <norsetto> cyberix: I used your link, so unless you have given the old link ...
[18:14] <cyberix> The software itself says 0.1.3, but that is just because the software has not changed since
[18:15] <cyberix> Maybe I should change that, just for sake of clarity
[18:15] <norsetto> cyberix: and thats the diff wrt the previous version: -Copyright 2005, 2006 Research Institute for the Languages of Finland +Copyright © 2005, 2006 Research Institute for the Languages of Finland
[18:15] <cyberix> The copyright version in the old original was broken.
[18:16] <cyberix> So I considered removing it just for the package.
[18:16] <cyberix> But then I decided to fix it upstream
[18:16] <norsetto> cyberix: yes, you should definetively change the version in the script
[18:17] <cyberix> I'll do that, but first I want to get the man page thing sorted out.
[18:17] <cyberix> Which locale do you use?
[18:17] <norsetto> cyberix: en_US.UTF-8
[18:17] <cyberix> so do I
[18:18] <cyberix> norsetto: what does "file mi2svg.man" tell you?
[18:19] <norsetto> cyberix: ASCII troff or preprocessor input text
[18:19] <cyberix> mi2svg.man: UTF-8 Unicode troff or preprocessor input text
[18:20] <norsetto> cyberix: I edited it to check with (c)
[18:20] <cyberix> Well get the original one
[18:21] <cyberix> And make sure lintian still complains about it
[18:28] <Kopfgeldjaeger> should i install files within debian/rules or with an install file (mostly data files)?
[18:28] <Kopfgeldjaeger> (mostly, but not only)
[18:41] <lukehasnoname> http://xkcd.com/351/
[18:41] <lukehasnoname> wrong tab sry
[18:42]  * persia recommends Kopfgeldjaeger install data files with dh_install and debian/install before heading off for several hours
[18:42] <Kopfgeldjaeger> thanks
[18:46] <cyberix> norsetto: "man -d mi2svg.man" may tell us why your "man mi2svg" fails to display the character correctly.
[18:46] <cyberix> norsetto: It seems that nroff is not supposed to display it correctly.
[19:34] <emgent> heya
[19:56] <CrippledCanary> Could someone have a look at bug #135033, bug #224241 and bug #221973 please...
[19:57] <CrippledCanary> It's SRU for hardy and a fix for #221973 in intrepid
[19:58] <slomo__> RainCT: will look tomorrow
[20:29] <lukehasnoname> anyone have connections to "main"tainers?
[20:30] <lukehasnoname> er, does anyone here manage the main repo
[20:30] <lukehasnoname> Yes, I know this is motu, just asking though
[20:33] <geser> lukehasnoname: it's like MOTU but with more responsibilities
[20:33] <lukehasnoname> where would I go to request a package update in main
[20:33] <geser> lukehasnoname: what kind of update? new upstream release?
[20:34] <lukehasnoname> ya
[20:34] <geser> is it already in Debian unstable?
[20:34] <lukehasnoname> libvirt 0.4.0 -> 0.4.2, and I'll check that, forgot to
[20:35] <geser> !info libvirt0 intrepid
[20:35] <lukehasnoname> nice.
[20:35] <geser> it's already updated for intrepid
[20:36] <lukehasnoname> Will that get put into Hardy at some point, or do you have to enable backports?
[20:37] <lukehasnoname> I'm still a newbie at packaging protocols
[20:37] <lukehasnoname> esp. for LTS
[20:38] <geser> it's unlikely that it will get into hardy(-updates)
[20:38] <geser> I don't know if it might get into -backports
[20:38] <geser> try asking soren about it, as he maintains libvirt
[20:39] <geser> you can reach him either here or in #ubuntu-devel (where the core-devs hang out)
[20:42] <sebner> slomo__: I'm not sure but after my final exams it wouldn't be bad if I decide my future. maybe something with C# programms (not mono itself I suppose ^^) and you are the geek there. any advice, may you would guide me a little bit?
[20:42] <lukehasnoname> thanks geser
[20:58] <norsetto> sebner: you mean, you will pass your exams!?
[21:00] <sebner> norsetto: hmm?
[21:08] <norsetto> sebner: need some private lessons?
[21:08] <sebner> norsetto: well, we have topics to learn and we have written stuff to learn, furthermore it's too late maybe. BUT I'll remember your offer ;)
[21:08] <norsetto> sebner: please do
[21:08] <sebner> norsetto: thanks =), so eggdrop has to wait or I'll fail my exams xD
[21:09] <norsetto> sebner: eggdrop? whats that?
[21:09] <sebner> norsetto: xD
[21:09] <sebner> !info eggdrop
[21:10] <sebner> !info eggdrop intrepid
[21:10] <norsetto> oh, how nice, another ubottu
[21:10] <sebner> norsetto: you know. with this ssl thing
[21:11] <norsetto> oh, an ssl'ed ubottu
[21:11] <norsetto> ubottu: keep quite or we will ssl you too
[21:11] <sebner> norsetto: xD xD xD
[21:12] <sebner> haha
[21:19] <sebner> geser: now I'll file a sync bug for fakeroot-ng just for fun ;) kay?
[21:20] <sebner> geser: bug #239284  \o/
[21:22] <geser> sebner: sure
[21:24] <geser> sebner: does it build in intrepid i386?
[21:25] <sebner> geser: remember! Though I'm writing crap I testbuild *everything*
[21:25] <geser> good
[21:25] <sebner> ^^
[21:26] <CrippledCanary> can someone please tell me how to get the package described in bug #120434 included?
[21:26] <CrippledCanary> Or the proper attention at least
[21:28] <lukehasnoname> bug #1
[21:28] <lukehasnoname> FIX IT
[22:38] <sebner> gn87 folks
[22:51] <kees> soren: uhmmm... I just noticed that sbuild isn't skipping package removal when shutting down my schroot snapshots...
[22:51] <kees> that's no good
[23:22] <soren> kees: Oh. That calls for rebenchmarking, doesn't it?
[23:28] <kees> soren: hah, it calls for me filing a bug.
[23:42] <soren> kees: Oh, I thought it was your won script that was failing to do it.
[23:51] <kees> soren: oh, no, it's clearly a bug in the new schroot.  I was just unable to immediately discover the origin of the issue.  lots of loopy c++ and shell.  eek


[01:20] <DoYouKnow> screen does not work with likewise-open5 in ubuntu if you are using Windows Domain credentials
[01:20] <DoYouKnow> it reports that the login name is too long
[01:20] <DoYouKnow> LoginName too long - sorry.
[01:25] <DoYouKnow> I'm downloading the source code now.
[01:32] <DoYouKnow> hmm... there seems to be a permission denied issue for the domain user
[01:32] <DoYouKnow> after I remove the username length restriction
[02:22] <wilee-nilee> hello, so anyone running gnome 3 on 12.04 happen to loose it today with updates, unity is running fine otherwise.
[02:22] <wilee-nilee> oops 12.10
[05:41] <ripps> My gnome-session is broken, and I'm unable to start it. It seems that gnome-shell is crashing because: GnomeBluetoothApplet.KillswitchState is undefined
[06:29] <leo_> hello, i have a problem with my tbuntu 12.10 alpha3 since yesterday after a update
[06:30] <leo_> gnome-shell do not start, i see only the dekstop items
[06:30] <leo_> the new is that i can not start gnome-shell from shell
[06:38] <leo_> perhaps i got the error, fallback modus. my xorg.conf is overwritten
[07:40] <jokerdino> anyone has experienced bug #1034771 yet?
[08:35] <vivid> wait,  does the new updater always prompt for a restart now?
[08:35] <vivid> because, i dont recall installing any kernels....
[08:35] <jokerdino> hm nope
[08:36] <vivid> okay, just checking
[08:37] <jokerdino> alright
[08:38] <vivid> just seems that way i guess
[08:38] <jokerdino> i'll try if i can verify your problem later.
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> i still cant get the silly web apps working. ;() anyone else succfull in this?
[10:40] <jokerdino> Dr_Willis: what browser?
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> tried ff and chromium
[10:40] <jokerdino> it works for me in chromium. firefox is another story
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> addd that ppa, installed the things. rebooted just to be sure
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> wonder if some of my chromium addons are intefering with it
[10:41] <jokerdino> hm
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> im synced to my other pcs with it so i got quite a few installed
[10:41] <jokerdino> check if you have the web apps extension installed in chromium
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> gotts do it when i get home.  ;) at work on my phone
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if that could have gotten disabled due to being unavail to other platforms when i synced.
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> but at least i got a starting point now.
[10:43] <jokerdino> ah alright.
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> seems like an old idea that keeps poping backup. ;) perhaps it will work this tim e around
[10:45] <jokerdino> heh.
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:59] <BluesKaj> the new nvidia 304 driver freezes my desktop periodically right after login while apps are loading , when I use the desktop dialog to logout , or during a video.
[11:11] <BluesKaj> I know it's a driver issue because I have no such problem with the 12.04 drive on this pc
[16:50] <LoT> to confirm, the GUI archive manager program used in Ubuntu 12.10 is called `file-roller`, right?
[16:50] <LoT> (as its package name)
[16:50] <bazhang> !find file-roller
[16:50] <LoT> so that's a yes?  :P
[16:50] <bazhang> !info file-roller
[16:50] <LoT> yep, its a yes.  :P
[16:51] <LoT> !info file-roller quantal
[16:54] <ls612> I was wondering if it is a known issue that some cooling fans don't run in either 12.04 or the alpha of 12.10?
[16:54] <ls612> I have an i7 Ivy bridge, and it can get rather hot rather quickly when the fan isn't going.
[16:54] <ls612> The fan runs fine in W7.
[16:55] <TJ-> ls612: I read yesterday of someone else having that problem. They solved it by installing one of the recent mainline kernels. Would you like the URL of the Ubuntu instruction for installing the Ubuntu builds of mainline kernels?
[16:56] <ls612> Will that kernel be in 12.04.1?
[16:56] <ls612> or in 12.10?
[16:57] <TJ-> ls612: Well I'm running Linux 3.5 here (12.04 comes with v3.2) ... the person I saw fix it yesterday found v3.3 and v3.4 fixed their issue
[16:57] <TJ-> ls612: see this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[16:59] <ls612> I really don't want to be messing with the kernels. I can live without ubuntu (gasp!) until a release supports my fan.
[17:00] <ls612> I just want to know if that release will be 12.04.1 or 12.10.
[17:00] <TJ-> ls612: i'm finding v3.5 much faster and more stable than v3.2
[17:01] <ls612> So will 12.10 ship with kernel 3.5?
[17:18] <SpamapS> Did quantal lose something where you could hold down alt and drag a window from any spot on the window?
[17:22] <trism> SpamapS: working fine here (just updated a moment ago), maybe you played with some settings in ccsm?
[17:22] <SpamapS> no I swore off ccsm back in oneiric
[17:23] <SpamapS> but just in case, I'll do that "blow away all your compiz settings" thing again
[17:23] <trism> SpamapS: is this in unity or a different desktop environment?
[17:23] <SpamapS> unity, pretty stock
[17:37] <SpamapS> trism: thanks for the confirmation. a little gconftool-2 magic and I can alt-drag things again :)
[17:38] <trism> SpamapS: excellent, was it the /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier key?
[17:40] <trism> SpamapS: oh unless you just did a recursive unset (just curious in case it happens to somebody else)
[17:40] <SpamapS> no idea
[17:40] <SpamapS> yeah I did a full recursive unset
[17:40] <SpamapS> which subsequently crashed my compiz of course.. but it came back and is now working well :)
[17:49] <ironhalik> Hello
[17:50] <ironhalik> I'm wondering - is 12.10 comparable to what 12.04 was between alpha 2 and beta 1?
[17:50] <ironhalik> daily driver wise
[18:07] <centrelink> ironhalik; right now 12.10 is basically 12.04 with some shit broken
[18:07] <centrelink> and a -slightly- updated theme
[18:08] <ironhalik> Yeah, I guess it is
[18:08] <ironhalik> but I'm kind of an update junkie ;>
[18:09] <ironhalik> I've got 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' aliased ;>
[18:10] <ironhalik> and the updated theme is nice ;>
[18:21] <TJ-> what? not an hourly cron job? :O
[18:22] <BluesKaj> ironhalik,  have you tried apt-fast ?
[18:40] <ironhalik> TJ-: its not the same when cron does it for you
[18:40] <ironhalik> you need to slowly type the command into terminal, wait for the repos to update, review the list of changed packages and hit 'y' and return
[18:40] <TJ-> ironhalik: :D I've heard that before
[18:41] <ironhalik> ;>
[18:41] <ironhalik> BluesKaj: Why would I? The update process would betoo fast :P
[18:41] <ironhalik> maybe Ill ask a more constructive question
[18:42] <ironhalik> eclipse and java works ok? And android sdk maybe? :>
[21:33] <Walther> do-release-upgrade throws errors at me constantly, who should I tell about this?
[21:33] <Walther> update-manager -d from 12.04
[21:34] <Walther> "System program problem detected" every 5 seconds or so, even though I hit "ignore future problems..."
[23:09] <Walther> My quantal install has something wrong - it is extremely laggy
[23:10] <Walther> right-clicking on desktop -> three seconds before menu appears, etc
[23:10] <Walther> very unresponsive user experience, so to say
[23:10] <Walther> dash takes >10s to pop up