[08:42] <dekarl> should the config.xml be shared between BE and FE (on the same machine)? I have a symlink from /home/mythtv to /etc/mytvh, but not from /home/<TheUserThatRunsTheFrontend>. Leaving me with an empty (but existing) file at /etc/mythtv/config.xml which the tools (e.g. mythmetadatalookup) complain about.
[08:43] <dekarl> (this is on mythbuntu 11.04 with master as of some hours ago)
[14:32] <superm1> dekarl: ideally they should be the same to avoid stuff like that complaining
[14:32] <superm1> the mythfrontend script is supposed to make it
[14:32] <superm1> and put you in the right group etc
[20:47] <antnash> Hi guys, I'm hoping someone can help me get my DVB-S card set up. Yesterday I could find channels with dvb-apps scan, but in the mythtv set up the signal/noise ratio would just go mental. Now I can't even find any channels with scan
[21:29] <dekarl> superm1: I don't see where it would do that in the wrapper (the config.xml and putting in the group part)
[21:43] <superm1> dekarl: oh maybe it was just mysql.txt it's doing it for then
[21:43] <superm1> in any case it should be doing it for both
[21:44] <dekarl> That would solve it. (at least for the --service startup, not sure about manual startup via the menu)
[21:45] <superm1> tbh, i'd like to kill this concept of having a group and shared conffile
[21:45] <superm1> but it's the easiest way to keep all these pieces getting along
[21:45] <dekarl> so just run everything under the mythtv id?
[21:45] <superm1> no, not mythtv id
[21:46] <superm1> at least when on the same system, all these things should have a way to discover this information
[21:46] <dekarl> the issue atm is that the backend gets an existing but empty file. I think no file would be ok, too
[21:47] <dekarl> so in the best case it provides a red herring when trying to debug "stuff"
[21:47] <superm1> well for now i think then get that config.xml stuff in the wrapper
[21:48] <superm1> but i want to come up with a better solution at some point
[21:54] <antnash> Could someone help me try and get my DVB-S card working please? It seems to register fine in dmesg, I've got  demux0  dvr0  frontend0  net0   in /dev/dvb/adapter0/
[21:56] <dekarl> antnash: you moved through the setup from top to bottom?
[21:56] <antnash> yup
[21:57] <antnash> whatever I do, it won't tune to channels
[21:57] <antnash> it won't tune to anything
[21:57] <dekarl> you did setup the DiSEqC tree?
[21:57] <antnash> LNB
[21:57] <dekarl> if it's just a directly connect LNB without anything in between...
[21:58] <antnash> huh
[21:58] <antnash> that's a thought
[21:58] <dekarl> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Setting_up_DVB-S_for_satellite
[21:58] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] User Manual:Setting up DVB-S for satellite - MythTV
[21:58] <antnash> They just installed a new satellite system in my building
[21:58] <dekarl> maybe you have "card -> 4 port switch -> LNB" if it's a shared dish
[21:59] <antnash> I think you may have a point
[21:59] <dekarl> that would be a usual setup around europe
[21:59] <antnash> which I guess would probably explain the signal/noise going berserk
[22:00] <dekarl> actually "card -> 4 port switch -> 4xLNB" with the four LNBs being the four combinations of high/low frequency and vertical/horizontal polarisation
[22:02] <antnash> Well this is fun
[22:03] <dekarl> the simplest solution might be to just ask the installer :)
[22:03] <antnash> so DiSEqC
[22:03] <antnash> Address of port switch??
[22:04] <dekarl> I think "the default" will do
[22:04] <antnash> I'll try and get his number from site management tomorrow. Default for number of ports is 2
[22:04] <dekarl> having never seen a DVB-S setup limits my experience a bit :)
[22:04] <dekarl> try 4 of you're not sure
[22:05] <dekarl> 2 is common for another common setup of for a single tv on a dish that can receive 2 satelite positions
[22:05] <dekarl> but that's not what you use if you supply multiple tvs
[22:08] <dekarl> antnash: I'm guessing at something similar to this installed at your house http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiswitch
[22:08] <Zinn> [en.wikipedia.org] Multiswitch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[22:08] <antnash> I really hope this works
[22:09] <antnash> That looks likely
[22:09] <antnash> How the hell am I meant to set it up in myth tho?
[22:09] <Zinn> antnash: Please watch your language.
[22:10] <antnash> heck?
[22:10] <antnash> there we are
[22:10] <antnash> Zinn, Zinn, Zinn. What a prude you are.
[22:10] <Zinn> Hi antnash, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[22:10] <dekarl> basically thats what I described earlier, but know what it might look like in real :D
[22:11] <dekarl> ... but now you know what it looks like...
[22:13] <antnash> nope. signal/noise is still having a fit
[22:13] <antnash> should it say...   Status: Scanning Frequency 11428000 No Lock   ?
[22:13] <dekarl> but does it find something on a know existing transponder?
[22:14] <dekarl> that's ok if that is not a used transponder at the constellation the dish is pointing at
[22:15] <dekarl> that was 28.2°?
[22:16] <dekarl> it should find a channel called "radio caroline" at 11428 MHz horizontal according to lyngsat ( http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html )
[22:16] <Zinn> [www.lyngsat.com] Eurobird 1 & Astra 1N/2A/2B/2D at 28.2°E - LyngSat
[22:16] <antnash> Yeah, I'm checking stuff from there
[22:17] <antnash> searching for ITV 1 atm.
[22:17] <antnash> The Signal/noise is going between about 25% and 85% every half second
[22:19] <antnash> any idea why it would be doing that, dekarl?
[22:19] <dekarl> hmm, maybe there is another DVB-S users from the UK over in #mythtv-users...
[22:19] <dekarl> it does that over here, too (DVB-C/T)
[22:20] <antnash> so that shouldn't be a problem?
[22:21] <antnash> I'm gonna try installing 10.10
[22:21] <dekarl> I think not. The jumping around is expected while the card tries to get a lock
[22:21] <dekarl> why?
[22:22] <antnash> see if that helps my dvb card
[22:22] <dekarl> if it's working with the scan* stuff then it's likely a question of the correct DiSEqC tree
[22:22] <antnash> It's not working with scan any more
[22:22] <antnash> It was, but not now
[22:25] <antnash> I don't get why it would just stop working with scan
[22:26] <dekarl> well, I'm at a point where my limited experience with DVB-S shows :( no idea
[22:30] <antnash> I just don't understand
[22:42] <antnash> I'm getting so fed up I might just install window 7 on it
[22:43] <dekarl> MCE will likely ask the same questions about your DiSEqC tree
[22:43] <antnash> Won't be using MCE
[22:43] <antnash> I think it's a driver problem
[22:44] <antnash> which I won't have on win 7
[22:44] <dekarl> your best bet is just asking someone who's seen a DVB-S setup for UK before or even better ask what exactly was installed... (moving on from the state where *scan did find something)
[22:44] <antnash> This is the problem
[22:44] <antnash> I can't get back to the point where it found stuff


[14:47] <bkerensa> Gareth: So my lodging budget was just approved so I will just now need to submit a travel request to our travel agency and should see you in February
[14:47] <bkerensa> :)
[14:47] <bkerensa> looking forward to some warmth
[18:16] <Gareth> bkerensa: awesome :)
[18:28] <linuxlite1969> hello issue with my cd rom not detected
[18:30] <blitz> hello issue with your cd rom not detected
[18:30] <linuxlite1969> what ?
[18:31] <blitz> my name is blitz, nice to meet you issue with your cd rom not detected
[18:31] <blitz> whoops, totally thought this was off topic
[18:31] <raevol> hahaha
[18:32] <linuxlite1969> yes i install linux lite (debian/ubuntu) through flash drive i think it caused issue
[18:32] <raevol> linuxlite1969: that sounds like a very specific issue, you will need to know what model cd drive you have, and then i would suggest googling to see if other people are having the same issue with that model drive and linux
[18:33] <raevol> someone here might be able to walk you through looking at hardware logs to see if there are any errors at initialization, sadly i do not know enough to be able to do that :(
[18:33] <akk> I hadn't heard of linux lite.
[18:33] <akk> What's the desktop/window manager?
[18:34] <linuxlite1969> https://www.linuxliteos.com/
[18:34] <darthrobot`> Title: [Linux Lite - Linux Lite free Operating System]
[18:34] <linuxlite1969> xfce
[18:36] <raevol> website appears to be broken :/
[18:37] <linuxlite1969> what ??
[18:37] <blitz> have you tried asking in the support channel? it's #ubuntu
[18:37] <raevol> shows a white line going across and then stops and doesn't show anything else
[18:37] <blitz> site works for me
[18:37] <linuxlite1969> ther is no one in their channel
[18:37] <raevol> hmm site works in firefox
[18:38] <blitz> no one in #ubuntu?
[18:38] <raevol> linuxlite1969: #ubuntu, not the linux lite irc
[18:38] <linuxlite1969> i tried ubuntu.fr no one answer
[18:39] <akk> I can see the website. But I haven't used xfce in a while -- might be a problem with its CDROM detection.
[18:39] <raevol> well that's why we suggested #ubuntu :/
[18:40] <akk> I wouldn't think #ubuntu would have much help for an xfce-based non-ubuntu distro.
[18:40] <raevol> akk true
[18:40] <blitz> it's ubuntu based
[18:40] <blitz> says it's LTS
[18:40] <linuxlite1969> ok i will give  it a try
[18:40] <akk> Is there an #xfce channel? That would be a good place to ask.
[18:41] <blitz> xfce shouldn't make his cdrom not work
[18:41] <linuxlite1969> what's the link between xfce and cdrom??
[18:41] <akk> xfce might make the cdrom not show up in a filemanager or on the desktop.
[18:41] <akk> Do we know if the hardware is showing up in /dev ?
[18:41] <blitz> well, sure, but I took him literally
[18:41] <linuxlite1969> browser is thunar
[18:42] <linuxlite1969> in dev there were floppy disc
[18:43] <linuxlite1969> i tried to change it dev/cdrom etc
[18:46] <akk> Ah, okay, if it's not showing up in /dev then it's not an xfce issue.
[18:46] <akk> It's kernel or udev, probably.
[18:50] <linuxlite1969> i have to reinstall it??
[18:50] <akk> Only if you think there was an error during installation.
[18:51] <akk> Look through dmesg and see if you can find any messages about it seeing the CDROM hardware.
[18:52] <akk> If there's nothing in dmesg then the problem is almost certainly the kernel.
[18:52] <linuxlite1969> that's not i like this distro but it's the only one that installed the driver for my nvidia card,i tried everything..doesn't work
[18:52] <akk> If there are messages in dmesg but there's no device in /dev, then it could still be kernel but it's more likely udev.
[18:53] <linuxlite1969> i already saw at dmesg
[18:53] <akk> And in that case you might be able to use it through some other path, like /dev/sdXX or /sys/class/..., if you can't figure out a udev rule.
[18:53] <linuxlite1969> but i can't find where the cd "could" probably be
[18:54] <akk> What's the dmesg line for it?
[18:54] <akk> or lines
[18:56] <akk> Oh, looks like they don't put anything in /dev for CDs any more anyway, should be in /media
[18:56] <akk> (I haven't used my CD drive in maybe 2 years :)
[18:57] <linuxlite1969> i use my cd drive to transcode for car or hdd
[18:57] <linuxlite1969> like foobar with wine
[18:58] <akk> I think I have a CD drive in the docking station here, but I'm not sure this debian system is seeing it either.
[18:58] <akk> Maybe I'm not the right person to be helping here. :)
[18:58] <linuxlite1969> everything ok instead for that cd rom
[18:58] <akk> We may need someone who's actually used a CD drive recently.
[18:58] <linuxlite1969> ha ha lol
[18:59] <akk> My fstab says it should be at /dev/sr0 but that may be left over from a lucid install many years ago :)
[18:59] <akk> (and I have no /dev/sr0)
[19:01] <linuxlite1969> i know it's here..i deleted all the bullshit error things to try to replace by dev/mnt/cdrom etcc
[19:04] <akk> Oops, note to self, that's the power button, not the CD eject button :)
[19:06] <pleia2> haha, nice
[19:19] <blitz> :3


[02:33] <InHisName> Howdy
[04:29] <InHisName> any awake ?
[10:21] <rmg51> Morning
[13:11] <icey> howdy
[14:03] <lazyPower> o/
[15:01] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[15:01] <teddy-dbear> Bye peoples, critters and everything else


[21:44] <tonyyarusso> There will now be some downtime for ubuntu-minnesota.org - time to get karmic on this sucker
[21:54] <Takyoji> Woo; Microsoft is a ball of fun apparently.
[21:56] <Takyoji> I gave that one person (that was trying to install Moodle bundled with XAMPP aside IIS..) a link to a simple installer for getting PHP installed in IIS; apparently it will install PHP, but not actually modify IIS's settings to delegate the execution of PHP scripts to the PHP interpreter, thus serving the scripts staticly.
[21:57] <Takyoji> And also installs a deficit of standard PHP modules as well supposedly
[22:03] <Takyoji> What I'm referring to is: http://www.microsoft.com/WEB/platform/phponwindows.aspx


[00:26] <mattismyname> So, I'm trying to build a package of a library (my first try...).  This library can make use of other libraries if they exist on the system, but it does not require they be present (libtiff, libpng).  My question is...should I include these on the Build-Depends: line in the package control file?
[00:27] <RAOF> mattismyname: So this will depend on a number of things.
[00:27] <RAOF> 1) Are these libraries required to be present at compile time for them to be used?
[00:27] <RAOF> (The answer to that is almost certainly yes).
[00:27] <mattismyname> yes
[00:28] <RAOF> 2) Is the extra functionality provided by building against those libs useful?
[00:28] <RAOF> (Again, probably yes).
[00:28] <mattismyname> Yes
[00:28] <RAOF> 3) Do those libs trigger a licensing problem
[00:28] <RAOF> (More difficult to say :))
[00:28] <mattismyname> Estimate maybe 50% of the users will find the additional support useful
[00:28] <mattismyname> 3) Probably not.  Libs I'm talking about are libpng, libtiff, and jpeglib
[00:29] <RAOF> They'd be mainly LGPL/MIT, yes?
[00:29] <mattismyname> yes
[00:29] <RAOF> So, generally you want to build with as many dependencies as possible.  Librarys are cheap!
[00:30] <mattismyname> ok...that is the "rule of thumb" I was looking for :)
[00:30] <RAOF> The reasons why you might not want to build against a library are if it's obscure, poorly maintained, or badly licensed.
[00:30] <mattismyname> Thanks
[00:42] <mattismyname> Another question: The lib I'm packaging depends on "An OpenGL library or the Mesa library".  Now, I know how to specify that it depends on libgl1-mesa but how do I accomplish the other half of the "or" statement?  Is there some sort of libgl metapackage?  If so, how would I find it?  I've tried apt-cache search to no effect.
[00:46] <RAOF> mattismyname: The pipe character ('|') is used to denote an OR relationship.  So, you'd be after libgl1-mesa | libmesa-not-hwaccel, or something.
[00:47] <jdong> the vertical frobulator ('|')....
[00:47] <jdong> ^^ fixed it for you
[00:49] <RAOF> GAH!  Dear internet: I'm not interested in gaining a l0nger shl0ng!  Please GO AWAY!
[00:49] <mattismyname> Hmm...now I'm thinking I can just specify libgl1-dev as the dependency
[00:50] <mattismyname> But thanks for the info on the OR
[01:49] <lifeless> There will be a short interruption to bazaar.launchpad.net and the ubuntu wiki to deploy a fix for the performance problems.
[02:27] <mattismyname> Is there any reason putting a "cd" command in debian/rules would not take effect?  For example, after configure, the makefile gets placed in the src subdirectory so I need to cd into that directory for when the make command is issued.
[02:27] <mattismyname> I tried putting "cd src" on the correct line in the rules makefile but it doesn't seem to work...
[03:14] <RAOF> mattismyname: You need to remember that each (tab-indented) line of a makefile is run in a _separate shell_.
[03:16] <RAOF> mattismyname: This means that make runs "cd" in a shell, which promptly changes _that new shell's_ current directory, and then exits.
[05:33] <TheMuso> 5~/c
[06:12] <warp10> Good morning
[06:29] <geser> good morning
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[06:55] <geser> Guten Morgen dholbach
[06:56] <dholbach> hiya geser :)
[08:09] <AnAnt> Hello, does launchpad have svn ?
[08:14] <AnAnt> Hello, does launchpad have svn service I mean ?
[08:15] <siretart> AnAnt: launchpad has an svn import service
[08:15] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: #launchpad, surely
[08:15] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:22] <slomo_> siretart: gst-ffmpeg still works great with latest ffmpeg from experimental ;)
[09:24] <siretart> slomo_: yeah, but it requires that 015_build_imgresample.diff patch
[09:24] <siretart> slomo_: could you check if it is possible to patch gst-ffmpeg in a way so that it is no longer necessary?
[09:25] <slomo_> siretart: the patch is for adding the deprecated imgresample api to ffmpeg again?
[09:25] <siretart> excatly
[09:25] <slomo_> siretart: well, upstream plans to port to the new stuff :) don't know when this is started/done though
[09:25] <slomo_> i'll ask later
[09:26] <slomo_> siretart: or is it easy to do? can you give me an example or something? :)
[09:26] <siretart> slomo_: http://paste.debian.net/52207
[09:26] <siretart> that is the patch
[09:26] <slomo_> ok
[09:26] <slomo_> doesn't help me :)
[09:27] <slomo_> how is the new stuff called? do you have an example patch that converts from imgresample to the new, etc?
[09:27] <siretart> no idea right now, sorry
[09:27] <slomo_> ok
[09:27] <slomo_> well, i'll take a look later
[09:27] <slomo_> bbl :)
[09:27] <siretart> I'm currently thinking about how to get this to unstable..
[09:41] <\sh> siretart: if I propose to you a debdiff with a funny build-dep of wine to mplayer to compile some tools which are only running with it...would you take it?
[09:55] <slomo_> siretart: is this imgresample patch a problem for getting it into unstable?
[10:33] <slomo_> siretart: ok, the new stuff is swscale and it can do magic ;)
[10:34] <siretart> slomo_: I don't think so
[10:34] <siretart> slomo_: rather how to sell this to the release team
[10:36] <slomo_> ok, then i'll simply wait until next upstream release :)
[10:36] <slomo_> what could be the problem with the release team? except that it might introduce regressions but fixes a million bugs
[11:10] <warp10> Hi all!
[11:12] <\sh> siretart: forget the question..you are not responsible for mplayer ;)
[11:15] <\sh> Fujitsu: /window 15
[11:15] <\sh> grmpf
[11:17] <soren> \sh: /win is much faster.
[11:18] <soren> (to type)
[11:21] <\sh> soren: well, /win<tab> is cool...but not looking at the bottom line on irssi, forgetting about what I wanted to tell Fujitsu, and not Ctrl+U the input line..gives "\sh is angry about python"
[11:23] <tbf> is there something i should do for moving gnome-lirc-properties to the next stage?
[11:23] <tbf> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=lirc
[11:24] <tbf> hmm... stop.... 28th was friday... i am just impatient - as usual
[11:24] <siretart> \sh: isn't wine in universe? you cannot build depend on packes in multiverse, can you?
[11:37] <\sh> siretart: yeah...but mplayer is multiverse...and mplayer is this what I want to change ;)
[11:37] <siretart> \sh: err, sorry, you confuse me.
[11:38] <siretart> \sh: do don't seriously propose to make mplayer build/test some tools of wine, which won't show up in the mplayer package anyways, are you?
[11:38] <siretart> s/do/you/
[11:39] <\sh> siretart: the tools are for converting videos from one to another...the vfw2enc e.g is a windows tool, which can be compiled via winegcc or mingGW...those tools need to be in the mencoder package if this is feasable ;) but after thinking about it, it's bad
[11:40] <\sh> siretart: the sources are already in the src package.
[11:40] <siretart> in which source package?
[11:40] <\sh> siretart: mplayer...i was confused with ffmpeg when I asked you...that's why I said, forget about it :)
[11:41] <siretart> if there are tools unbuilt in the mplayer source pacakge, then probably they should be built and installed
[11:41] <\sh> siretart: the idea came from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/de/MPlayer.html#menc-feat-video-for-windows <- it's for converting movies into Flash media Files with vp6 encoding ;)
[11:41] <siretart> given they are of any use, of course
[11:41] <\sh> siretart: well, it needs to be build with a windows compatible compiler like winegcc or on windows with msvc or minGW..
[11:42] <siretart> I know that we do have minGW, no idea about winegcc
[11:42] <\sh> siretart: winegcc comes with wine :) I tested it already and it works...I wonder if it's a good idea to b-d on wine ;)
[11:42] <siretart> but
[11:43] <siretart> for http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/de/MPlayer.html#menc-feat-video-for-windows, don't you need the windows dlls anyways?
[11:43] <\sh> siretart: nope..they are built-in by wine
[11:43] <\sh> siretart: ah you mean the w32codecs ;)
[11:43] <\sh> siretart: they are only needed for running and converting video for windows stuff...but to building those tools, they are not needed.
[11:44] <siretart> so we could build those tools, but they would still be unusable without ripping some dlls from a windows installation?
[11:44] <\sh> siretart: yes
[11:45] <siretart> then it seems to be a waste of time to me
[11:45] <siretart> if you want to do it, go ahead, but I wouldn't spend any time on that
[11:45] <\sh> siretart: as I said, forget about it...I'll fork the package for my needs and provide a selfmade package for it
[11:46] <siretart> too bad that you can't publish it
[11:46] <\sh> siretart: well, I'll send the changes as debdiff to LP...just in case someone is interested to go with it...but I won't push it into hardy..
[11:47] <\sh> siretart: the reason behind this is, that I need to convert all types of videos into FLV media with vp6 encoding which will be pushed by adobe into the next flash player at the end of the year (AFAIK)...vp6 right now can't be played with it without any additional software from on2 e.g.
[11:50] <siretart> aha
[11:55] <\sh> siretart: and the good thing is, when we do it here...we pay as well license fees for it :(
[12:13]  * \sh is testing adobe air alpha 1 ,-)
[12:16] <sebner> \sh: just read the news :)
[12:16] <sebner> DktrKranz: buon giorno :)
[12:23] <\sh> jikes...wireshark 1.0
[12:23] <\sh> should we go with it?
[12:30]  * pochu waves
[12:31] <sebner> heya jono pochu
[12:31] <jono> hey seb
[12:31] <jono> hey sebner
[12:32] <\sh> jono: please explain thong-a-gong ? ;)
[12:32] <jono> \sh: heh, a man, in a thong, with a gong and lots of 5 min talks :)
[12:33] <sebner> \sh: it's a sync right? If we wait for debian I could do it if no one else is willing to do :)
[12:34] <\sh> sebner: dunno if debian comes faster then providing a 0ubuntu1 version...I'll have to check first, because it's fixing as well some security stuff
[12:34] <sebner> \sh: k
[12:52] <\sh> sebner: I'll take a look this evening...
[12:53] <sebner> \sh: bp
[12:53] <sebner> *np
[12:55] <Iulian> Hey
[13:15] <ScottK> siretart: I worked on one of Manoj packages last night for the first time and it really wasn't so bad.  They are different, but OTOH it only took about a minute to find the right knob to turn to get it to work with our default Python.
[13:17] <james_w> they are well structured and sensible, the problem is that they are just so different.
[13:24] <slytherin> Hi all. This is regarding the catch-all bug for python-xml dependency removal. It doesn't work for pyslide. A friend just reported. And I am reopening the bug.
[13:24] <slytherin> bobbo: ping
[13:25] <ScottK> slytherin: Did you add details of the failure?
[13:25] <slytherin> ScottK: No. I am adding. them
[13:25] <ScottK> slytherin: OK.  Let me know when you're done.
[13:27] <slytherin> ScottK: done
[13:28]  * ScottK looks
[13:29] <emgent> hello
[13:30] <emgent> keescook: when you have time please see bug #194687 it's a security regression for cacti. (debdiff attached)
[13:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194687 in cacti "cacti web frontend fails with 'Invalid PHP_SELF Path' after upgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194687
[13:32] <emgent> i go at work, bye people
[13:40] <\sh> emgent: nope...it's not security...it's sru...the main part works if you don't run it from /<dir> but from /
[13:50] <mok0> Is there someone here who has fiddled with octave?
[13:53] <ScottK> mok0: You want sistpoty probably.
[13:54] <\sh> mok0: what's wrong with octave?
[13:54] <mok0> ScottK: ok, thanks.
[13:54] <\sh> packagewise or codeing wise?
[13:54] <mok0> It's got an unconventional debian/ directory layout
[13:54] <mok0> with a debian/in, that seems to hold templates for the "real" files
[13:55] <\sh> mok0: which package?
[13:55] <mok0> octave3.0
[13:56] <mok0> It's the only package that shows up in the "Science" menu item on the K-menu, I want to change that, so it appears in "Education/Math"
[13:56] <\sh> I wonder if octave is education ;)
[13:56] <mok0> I wonder if any of the programs in Education is education, but that's where they all are...
[13:57] <\sh> mok0: e.g.?
[13:57] <mok0> octave is the only one I have in "Science"
[13:57] <Fujitsu> Anything sciency is in Education, because f.d.o refuses to give us a sane category.
[13:58] <\sh> damn
[13:58] <mok0> Education has 4 entries: languages, mathematics, miscellaneous & science
[13:58] <\sh> mok0: ok...when you read debian/rules, you'll see that it copies files from debian/in/* to debian/
[13:58] <\sh> mok0: depending on the $(VERSION)
[13:59] <mok0> \sh: ok, that's what I was guessing... line no?
[13:59] <mok0> Ah
[13:59] <mok0> I see it
[13:59] <\sh> debian/%: debian/in/% slice -o $(sliceterm):$@ $<
[13:59] <mok0> sneaky
[13:59] <\sh>  cp debian/in/$(PACKAGE)-00list debian/patches/00list
[13:59] <\sh>         cp debian/in/$(PACKAGE)-watch debian/watch
[14:00] <\sh> I think they were building all ocatve{2.1,2.9,3.0} with the same package layout
[14:00] <mok0> \sh: right, so one needs to modify the files in debian/in
[14:00] <slytherin> ScottK: Did you look at pyslide problem? What is the reason for not working?
[14:00] <ScottK> slytherin: I'm looking at it now.
[14:00] <mok0> \sh: I guess it's nifty, but non-standard.
[14:00] <\sh> mok0: well, it looks like it just uses debian menu system and no .desktop files
[14:01] <ScottK> slytherin: It appears that pyslide needs some XML bits not provided by the standard python.
[14:01] <mok0> \sh: yeah it's a simple one-line fix :-)
[14:01] <\sh> oh of course ... desktop.in
[14:01] <ScottK> slytherin: Short version is it should have been tested more before uploading.
[14:01] <\sh> Categories=Development;Math;Science;
[14:01] <\sh> hmmm?
[14:01] <slytherin> ScottK: hmm. So adding the dependency again is the right thing to do, right?
[14:02] <mok0> \sh: yes. I haven't figured out what it should be
[14:02] <mok0> \sh: not really into the desktop/menu system yet
[14:02] <ScottK> slytherin: No.  We're trying to remove python-xml from the archive
[14:03] <slytherin> ScottK: so what do you suggest? Look for alternate APIs and then add patches?
[14:03] <ScottK> slytherin: Yes.  or as a last resort copy the needed bits of python-xml into the package and use it from a private directory.
[14:04] <ScottK> slytherin: Will you look into it?
[14:04] <\sh> mok0: you need to adjust examples/octave.desktop.in :)
[14:04] <\sh> mok0: the other stuff is done from rules it looks like
[14:04] <slytherin> ScottK: I will try tonoght.
[14:04]  * mok0 looks
[14:04] <ScottK> slytherin: OK.  I'll assign you the bug.  Let me know if you get stuck.
[14:05] <slytherin> ScottK: sure. tell me your timezone so that I will know when to ping you. :-)
[14:05] <mok0> \sh: yeah looks like it. I need to figure out how the Categories are mapped out to menu items.
[14:05] <ScottK> slytherin: -0400.   Both seem to be read by kde4
[14:21] <slytherin> ScottK: a brief look doesn't give any idea. will do more debugging later
[14:21] <\sh> mok0: .menu files are debian specific...man menufiles
[14:22] <ScottK> slytherin: Thanks for looking into it.  We're down to 2 packages that need python-xml (until your report I thought it was one), so we're very close to being able to get rid of this package.
[14:22] <mok0> \sh: it is the /usr/share/applications entry that gives problems with octave
[14:22] <\sh> mok0: mok0 this should from the .desktop file then
[14:22] <mok0> \sh: yes, it is
[14:23] <\sh> mok0: ok...desktop-file-validate will give some warnings too..if you are on it, please fix them too
[14:23] <mok0> \sh: I will fix it and submit a patch
[14:23] <mok0> \sh: ok
[14:24] <\sh> mok0: when you file a bug ( or you did already, assign the bug to me...I was the stupid one who made octave3.0 possible :()
[14:24] <mok0> \sh: why was that stupid?
[14:25] <\sh> mok0: because the guy who touched it last or synced it is responsible ,->
[14:25] <mok0> \sh: ah :-)
[14:25] <mok0> \sh: now you'll get the chance to repent :-)
[14:29] <mok0> \sh: with such a minor change, is it necessary to create a patch in debian/patches, or is it ok to leave it with diff.gz ??
[14:31] <\sh> mok0: if it has a patch system, use it...if not leave it in diff.gz
[14:32] <mok0> let's see...
[14:32] <\sh> it has dpatch
[14:33] <mok0> patch it is, then :-)
[14:35] <\sh> mok0: dpatch-edit-patch :)
[14:35] <mok0> doing it this very minute :-)
[14:48] <bobbo> slytherin; pong
[14:49] <slytherin> bobbo: I was going to point you to pyslide problem. See if you can work on it.
[14:49] <bobbo> slytherin; ok, i'll have a look
[15:22] <mok0> \sh, what is your lp ident?
[15:25] <mok0> \sh, got it
[15:30] <sebner> aloha afflux :)
[15:30] <afflux> heya sebner :)
[15:33] <\sh> mok0: shermann :)
[15:34] <mok0> \sh thanks
[15:34] <\sh> sorry...we are in prelive rollout mood at work :)
[15:36] <mok0> \sh: bug 209701 is now owned by you :-)
[15:36] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 209701 in octave3.0 "[hardy] octave appears by itself in science menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209701
[15:47] <sharperguy> Anyone know how to get an app to put an icon in the menu when you make install?
[15:57] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:57] <hyperair_> hi
[15:57] <sharperguy> Anyone know how to get an app to put an icon in the menu when you make install?
[15:59] <nijaba> sharperguy: you need a desktop file
[15:59] <sharperguy> right
[15:59] <sebner> ahoi bddebian
[15:59] <mok0> \sh: damn
[15:59] <bddebian> Hi sebner
[16:00] <geser> Hi bddebian
[16:00] <bddebian> Heya geser
[16:00] <sharperguy> Yeah I remember those, so what do I do with it when I make it?
[16:00] <nijaba> sharperguy: look in /usr/share/applications/
[16:01] <sharperguy> right...
[16:03] <nijaba> sharperguy: this is documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/SupplementaryFiles
[16:04] <sharperguy> ok tu
[16:04] <sharperguy> *ty
[16:04] <sharperguy> *cheers (sorry I know this isnt IM)
[16:30] <\sh> mok0: ?? :)
[16:31] <mok0> \sh: ah, it's just that my patch wasn't getting applied... fixed now
[16:31] <mok0> \sh: I had to edit debian/in/octave3.0-00list ...
[16:31] <mok0> \sh: which I didn't, the first time around...
[16:32] <mok0> \sh: the package takes forever to build, even though I have a really fast machine
[16:33] <\sh> mok0: no problem :) I built normaly over night when it's a long waiting for results package ;()
[16:33] <mok0> \sh: yeah... I thought the fix was trivial, so I went ahead and uploaded before the package finished building :-P
[16:33] <\sh> siretart: are you sure about gnucash and hardy? gnucash in hardy is already Version: 2.2.4-1ubuntu1
[16:35] <siretart> \sh: did you really use the new gnucash with hbci on hardy yet?
[16:35] <\sh> siretart: no...but I thought before people are complaining about the version ;) does it work somehow with 2.2.4-1ubuntu1?
[16:35] <siretart> \sh: AFAIUI, it uses libgwenhyfar for the 'lowlevel' stuff. this means that if something is broken there, gnucash will be broken as well
[16:36] <siretart> I'm still on gutsy on my main laptop, because I know that gnucash does work there :)
[16:47] <proppy> hi
[16:48] <proppy> how can I create a ipex chroot ?
[16:56] <\sh> siretart: could you send me the changes you made on the 2.2.1 source for gnucash and I can try to build and test it...
[16:58] <RainCT> proppy: ipex?
[16:59] <siretart> \sh: there shouldn't be any changes necessary. just try the source from debian/unstable (+ your patches if applicable)
[16:59] <RainCT> proppy: if you Ibex (Hardy+1), it has no repositories yet, so you can't
[17:00] <proppy> RainCT: thanks for the tip
[17:00] <siretart> the codename is 'intrepid', not ibex
[17:01] <siretart> like 'hardy', and not 'heron'
[17:01] <siretart> or 'gutsy', and not 'gibbon'
[17:02] <\sh> siretart: so 2.2.4 in debian is already prepared? :)
[17:03] <siretart> prepared for what?
[17:03]  * \sh doesn't use hbci yet...so I don't know how to enable it ;)
[17:05] <siretart> ah, I see
[17:05] <siretart> you'll need this ofx plugin for libgwenhyfar and gnucash
[17:06] <\sh> siretart: ok...will read me through the guides and start convincing my bank to have webbanking and hbci
[17:06] <siretart> \sh: if all works well, there should be a new menu point: Actions-> Online Actions
[17:07] <siretart> try starting up gnucash and see if you have such a menu
[17:08] <\sh> gwenhyfar47?
[17:08] <siretart> yes, that's the new one
[17:09] <siretart> it is linked against gnutls instead of libssl, which was the point of the excercise
[17:09] <siretart> oh, that late already... :(
[17:09] <\sh> ok...yeah.../me needs to go too :9
[17:09] <\sh> ok..cu later
[17:11] <james_w> siretart: hi, where do the gnucash packages need testing from? Are they in hardy or a PPA?
[17:11] <siretart> james_w: gnucash itself should be up-to-date in hardy, however I don't expect them to work with hbci at all. updated packages are in the gnucash PPA, which desperatly need testing
[17:12] <siretart> see my mail to -motu earlier today
[17:12] <james_w> siretart: ok, thanks.
[17:13] <nxvl> james_w: hi!
[17:13] <james_w> hi nxvl
[17:13] <emgent> nxvl: heya
[17:14] <nxvl> emgent: :D
[17:15] <siretart> james_w: do you use gnucash with hbci?
[17:16] <james_w> ah, nope, I missed the point then? It's not just general testing you need (outside of the normal general testing that's always needed)?
[17:17] <siretart> well, installation and a small startup is also appreciated :)
[17:17] <james_w> I'm sure I can manage that.
[17:18] <siretart> the most interesting point however is if online banking via hbci works. TBH, I haven't met any user of hbci outside germany yet
[17:18] <siretart> so I was curious if english banks offer hbci as well
[17:18] <james_w> no, I just checked and my bank doesn't seem to offer it
[17:18] <james_w> I'll write and complain that I can't test your packages properly because they don't support it
[17:19] <siretart> it's pretty popular in germany, nearly every bank offer it. However, it seems that most desk clerks don't really understand it :/
[17:19] <siretart> yay :)
[17:19]  * siretart hugs james_w
[17:46] <james_w> siretart: starts fine and the wizard runs ok. It's not terribly obvious now how to set opening balances for accounts in the wizard, I'm sure it used to be better.
[17:59] <milli> any committment for bug 180619 for Hardy?
[17:59] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 180619 in vnc4 "Xorg module VNC cores on keyboard input" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180619
[17:59] <ScottK> warp10: Congratulations.
[17:59] <milli> I'm guessing no
[18:04] <huats> warp10: congrats
[18:10] <sebner> warp10: just saw the mail. congratulations :D
[18:10] <sebner> ScottK: did you notice my monodevelop FFe merge?
[18:11] <cody-somerville> warp10, congratsz :) You're the 112th member! :D
[18:11] <jpatrick> cody-somerville: who was the 111?
[18:11] <jpatrick> warp10: congrats!
[18:11] <sebner> jpatrick: cody-somerville himself ;)
[18:11] <ScottK> sebner: I saw it, but didn't have time to look at it.
[18:11] <jpatrick> sebner: ;)
[18:11] <sebner> ScottK: k. np
[18:12] <ScottK> sebner: I'm not the one you really want looking at Mono stuff anyway.  For me it's more of a feature if it's not working.
[18:13] <sebner> ScottK: hrhr. but it's working so *I* want it in hardy :P really np. I'll find someone else
[18:15] <sebner> cody-somerville: btw, why 112th member? LP shows 85 active and 25 inactive. So he is number 111th
[18:16] <cody-somerville> I was going by ubuntu-dev
[18:16] <cody-somerville> but it appears it is at 111 anyhow
[18:16] <cody-somerville> Someone must have deactivated
[18:17] <sebner> k
[18:28] <warp10> ScottK, huats, sebner, cody-somerville, jpatrick: thank you very much! :-)
[18:28] <pochu> warp10: congratulations!
[18:29] <warp10> hey pochu, thank you :)
[18:40] <mok0> If there are MOTUs online with time to spare, please take a look at at bug 188086 and bug188093 . I'd really like to get them out of the way. Thanks!
[18:40] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 188086 in xtide "[needs-merge] xtide-2.9.5-2 from sid" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188086
[18:40] <pochu> bug 188093
[18:40] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 188093 in xtide-data "[needs-sync] xtide-data-20070318-1 from sid" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188093
[19:32] <txwikinger> where can I see the packages again that have been dropped?
[19:35] <geser> txwikinger: you mean removed from the archive?
[19:35] <txwikinger> geser: yes
[19:35] <geser> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/removals.txt
[19:36] <txwikinger> thanks geser
[20:21] <ScottK> warp10: Don't forget to go back and upload anything you had in the sponsor's queue.
[20:21] <pochu> and everything else :)
[20:22] <ScottK> pochu: That's your job.  Thanks for bringing it up.
[20:30] <mok0> pocho, did you get a chance to look at the xtide bugs?
[20:31] <mok0> s/pocho/pochu
[20:31] <pochu> I didn't look at them
[20:31] <mok0> ok
[20:32] <mok0> pochu: I'll poke one of the guys who've been involved earlier...
[20:33] <pochu> if they are trivial I can look at them, but if they are not I prefer not to, as I have other things to do
[20:34] <mok0> pochu: they are pretty trivial
[20:34] <mok0> pochu: the main thing is that both get uploaded
[20:36] <pochu> mok0: doesn't bug 188086 need a FFe ?
[20:37] <mok0> pochu: no, because it fixes a bug
[20:37] <mok0> pochu: no new features
[20:37] <pochu> ah, ok
[20:38] <mok0> ScottK: are you here?
[20:39] <mok0> pochu: I dunno... you think I need to get an ack?
[20:39] <pochu> mok0: I haven't looked at the upstream changelog yet
[20:39] <pochu> I'm reading the bug and the debdiff right now
[20:39] <\sh> mok0: building octave
[20:40] <mok0> \sh: ... and that will go on for a while...
[20:41] <\sh> mok0: well, don't care...I had to recreate my whole dapper-hardy schroot lvm devices..
[20:42] <mok0> \sh: yikes. What happened?
[20:42] <\sh> mok0: see #ubuntu-devel
[20:43] <\sh> mok0: i didn't do an fsck of the ext3 fs on those..and now there were some lvm devices missing because of corrupted superblock
[20:43] <\sh> mok0: i fixed it now with recreating, and forcing mk-sbuild-lv to use xfs instead of crappy ext3
[20:43] <mok0> \sh: I've had that happen to me, but I never found out what happened
[20:44] <mok0> \sh: fsck hosed it
[20:44] <jdong> \sh: wait you're trusting xfs_repair over e2fsck?
[20:45] <\sh> jdong: no...I'm not trusting any tool which tells me to fix an corrupted fs :)
[20:45] <jdong> don't get me wrong, I love XFS and I use it, but "easy to repair" and "resistant to corruption" are NOT on the top of its feature lists :)
[20:45] <\sh> jdong: well, tbh i never had a failed xfs fs in my life...
[20:45] <\sh> jdong: but many ext2 and ext3 and reiserfs brokeness
[20:46] <\sh> (well, reiserfs is now in jail ;))
[20:46] <\sh> mok0: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6286/ and my device list grows
[20:46] <mok0> only version 4 :-)
[20:46] <jdong> \sh: well I'm gonna pop your bubble and say that I've had plenty of XFS failures, and not related to the 2.6.17 infamy either
[20:46] <warp10> ScottK: sure! I'm just waiting to be added into the team on launchpad.
[20:46]  * ScottK kicks nixternal
[20:47] <warp10> :)
[20:47] <\sh> jdong: well, i had my problems during upgrade from 2.6.12 to 2.6.14...where vanilla upstream changed the eit/gpt stuff and broke all >2TB devices we had :(
[20:47] <\sh> jdong: but I had never a problem with xfs...strange :(
[20:47] <jdong> \sh: ouch. My problems have usually been serious filesystem corruption, often beyond xfs_repair's abilities to resurrect, after a string of improper shutdowns
[20:47] <mok0> warp10: congrats with being  MOTUed
[20:48] <warp10> thank you mok0 :)
[20:48] <jdong> \sh: of course I'm using run-of-the-mill consumer-grade hard drives and one could easily place the blame on hardware....
[20:48]  * ScottK kicks mok0
[20:48] <mok0> *ouch*
[20:48] <jdong> but overall I've found EXT3 more resilient, though still not anywhere near perfect, to this
[20:50] <\sh> jdong: well, using XFS as main fs (only /boot is ext2) on my desktops and servers I'm quiet ok with it..no problems so far...server side as well...but the server half-life time is around 8 months and 2 years without rebooting (when they are not on the public front of the network)
[20:51] <jdong> \sh: awesome. I always find myself coming back to XFS for its consistent performance over long periods of time and superior backup/restore tools
[20:51] <jdong> my primary system is currently XFS 100%
[20:51] <jdong> but I do have to say that I've experienced massive XFS corruption on more than one occasion linked to bad powerdowns
[20:52] <\sh> jdong: and you should try to use ext3 on 6TB volumes...it's a shame that you have to wait at least 6-10 mins or more (depending on the raid controller) to succeed with the creation of the FS
[20:52] <jdong> just so that you're aware it's not bulletproof
[20:52] <jdong> \sh: oh no kidding, I wouldn't suggest using ext3 on that kind of setup
[20:52] <\sh> jdong: well, software is never bulletproof
[20:52] <jdong> ain't that the truth :)
[20:53] <\sh> bah...should I package wireshark 1.0 or do we get it for free from debian?
[21:07] <nixternal> warp10: Andrea Colangelo (warp10) has been added as a member of this team.
[21:07] <nixternal> sorry, it was the one thing I forgot to do :)
[21:09] <warp10> nixternal: :D Thank you!
[21:09] <nixternal> congrats and welcome!
[21:10] <warp10> nixternal: :) thank you! My pleasure to be member of the family
[21:11] <sebner> warp10: remember to join u-u-s ;)
[21:15] <\sh> warp10: btw...congrats :)
[21:17] <Scientus> any/j vmware
[21:18] <Matthias_M> Hi, just wanted to say that I uploaded gnocky_0.0.5-1_i386.deb using dput both to upload.ubuntu.com and revu.tauware.de see also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209236 this is my first package
[21:19] <crimsun> err
[21:20] <\sh> lol?
[21:21] <\sh> Matthias_M: I think you just got something wrong...
[21:21] <warp10> sebner: for sure! :)
[21:21] <warp10> \sh: thank you :)
[21:21] <\sh> Matthias_M: as you are not core nor universe member you can't upload to upload.ubuntu.com
[21:22] <Matthias_M> dput without parameters uploads to upload.ubuntu.com by default, but it is already rejected (got a mail a second ago)
[21:22] <sebner> warp10: great :D
[21:22] <sebner> Matthias_M: you shouldn't upload the *.deb ;)
[21:22] <\sh> Matthias_M: yes, that's why the documentation tells us, to use the revu part :)
[21:23] <Matthias_M> everything around the .deb is also uploaded
[21:23] <sebner> Matthias_M: dput revu package_version_source.changes
[21:23] <sebner> Matthias_M: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[21:23] <Matthias_M> done
[21:23]  * ScottK changed his dput.cf to upload to a place called bob after the first time he uploaded to u.u.c instead of his PPA by accident.
[21:23] <Matthias_M> but I can't login at http://revu.tauware.de/ and I don't see my uploaded package
[21:24] <\sh> Matthias_M: the .deb is not necessary .. we don't care about binary packages, just the .dsc,.diff.gz,.orig.tar.gz is important :)
[21:24] <\sh> ScottK: lol...in the old, dark days of motu, where we didn't have the "ubuntu" upload area as default, I uploaded every now and then to debian :)
[21:25] <Matthias_M> I just did dput revu '/home/matthias/.debcreator/gnocky/gnocky_0.0.5-1_i386.changes' and I think the program took care of that (dsc, tar.gz, diff.gz, deb, changes are uploaded)
[21:26] <Matthias_M> but it still says no REVU account exists and does not show my package
[21:26] <\sh> Matthias_M: you don't use the binary changes file..use the _source.changes file :)
[21:26] <\sh> Matthias_M: did you attach your public gpg key to your LP account? did you ask for a sync of the revu keyring to include your key
[21:27] <Matthias_M> I uploaded my GPG to LP yesterday, it says there is a 24h auto-sync.
[21:30] <james_w> I think it may be down at the moment, I'm not sure
[21:31] <Matthias_M> I reuploaded the sources version this time: gnocky_0.0.5-1_source.changes
[21:31] <\sh> mok0: I'm uploading the stuff after the build (eventually tomorrow morning...I'm going to bed now)
[21:31] <mok0> \sh: great, thanks
[21:49] <RainCT> Matthias_M: was your package on REVU accepted?
[21:51] <Matthias_M> I don't know, dput says it's okay, but I did not get an email.
[21:52] <RainCT> Matthias_M: At the moment REVU sends no emails (beside one to a mailing list). Can you see your package on http://revu.tauware.de?
[21:54] <Matthias_M> I don't see my package (gnocky 0.0.5) there and there is no message at http://lists.tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers/2008-March/thread.html
[21:55] <Matthias_M> Besides, I also uploaded my package to http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome as Ubuntu is currently in feature freeze, you might cancel my request at REVU.
[21:57] <RainCT> Matthias_M: OK, then it was rejected. Although it says so, keys aren't synced automatically.
[22:00] <Matthias_M> hmm.. menthors.debian.net also does not reply to me via eMail
[22:00] <bddebian> Matthias_M: It has been down.  They are working on it
[22:00] <Matthias_M> ok, then I'll try again tomorrow. good night
[22:03] <blueyed_> warp10: congrats!
[22:13] <warp10> thank you blueyed :)
[22:13] <RainCT> good night
[23:14] <m-c> greetings masters of the universe!  would someone please glance at this bug, which appears to be related to packaging?  I believe the program's author attached at fix, too.
[23:14] <m-c> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mumble/+bug/202672
[23:14] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 202672 in mumble "installing mumble-server requires dbus" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:14] <m-c> slicer: this is yours
[23:15] <m-c> slicer: this is your application, I mean
[23:40] <emgent> hi dendrobates :)
[23:40] <dendrobates> hi emgent
[23:41] <dendrobates> you finally found me with a minute to spare  :)
[23:41] <emgent> ehehehe cool :)


[04:28] <acmeinc1> len, and whomever else i mentioned regarding my frequent freezes.  it looks like it is a hardware issue.  I sent my Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 back and I'm picking up a similar Asus.  I hope this corrects everything.  I am using an older Athlon II board now, which has been running smooth for just about 24 hours.  I am yet to test the bluetooth issues though
[14:01] <davey> hey guys
[14:01] <aram> hi
[14:01] <aram> I have a problem with the PulseAudio -> Jack integration.
[14:02] <davey> what java plugins are available for browers? only one i can find icedtea keeps on crashing :(
[14:02] <aram> I have a M-Audio Profire 610 card (firewire).
[14:02] <aram> I use it with ffado in jack.
[14:02] <aram> and pulseaudio JACK sink looks like a 7.1 card.
[14:02] <aram> and pulseaudio uses all those channels.
[14:03] <aram> while I listen to stereo.
[14:03] <aram> it makes no sense, I don't mind if PA doesn't see all the channels this card has.
[14:03] <aram> but I want stereo music to remain stereo.
[14:03] <aram> any hints?
[14:04] <len-dt> aram, The only thing I can think is to turn down/off the chanels you don't want to hear with the pulse volume control.
[14:04] <len-dt> You may have to unlock the link between chanels
[14:05] <aram> I did that but it's still not right. Only those 2 channels get any signal, but it's distorted, it's not the original stereo signal.
[14:05] <aram> isn't it possible to configure the number of channels the Jack sink has?
[14:06] <len-dt> I think it is, but I don't know how. I haven't really played around with it that much.
[14:07] <len-dt> Have you tried unconnecting the chanels you don't want in the jack connect box?
[14:08] <aram> well yes, that mutes them, but the sound I get on the two channels I want still is not the original stereo source.
[14:10] <len-dt> I have a 4 track card... that looks like 10 channels in pulse-jack. I only have the two channels pulse uses for left and right connected to an amp and it seems ok.
[14:10] <len-dt> How does it sound with just pulse and no jack?
[14:11] <aram> impossible to tell, this card is not supported by alsa, it only works in Jack.
[14:11] <len-dt> Ah, Which channels are you using for left and right?
[14:13] <len-dt> Gotta go
[14:14] <aram> Front Left/Right are set in the PulseAudio thing and in Jack front-left/right are connected to firewire_pcm:..._Line_1_out and Line_2_out
[15:22] <aram> you can set "enable-remixing = no" in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf.
[15:22] <aram> that does it.
[15:22] <aram> thank you good people.
[16:14] <mbeierl> Using qtractor on ubuntu 11.10, with TAP Reverb ladspa plugin.  The "reverb types" are listed only as numeric ids, not by name.  How do I find out which number corresponds to "large hall"?
[16:15] <holstein> i would use the original audio tool... my ear
[16:15] <holstein> maybe asking the developer though, or troubleshooting the issue
[16:15] <holstein> maybe someone in #opensourcemusicians knows?
[16:50] <mbeierl> holstein, thanks.  Unfortunately, I cannot get any of the TAP reverb settings to sound natural, so I was going through the docs, but my version doesn't line up with the docs from 2004
[17:06] <sirriffsalot_> Hey guys! Are anyone here experienced in setting up guitar effects with ubuntu?
[17:07] <sirriffsalot_> If not, anyone aware of a/several guitar/effects IRC channel(s) in relation to Linux?:)
[17:20] <mbeierl> sirriffsalot_, what are you trying to do - record with effects, simply use the ubuntu box as an effect chain, or ...?
[17:23] <sirriffsalot_> mbeierl: well, I am curious as to how I would go about rigging guitarix or rakarrack, or any available open-source software to get as close to the guitar sound of the beginning guitars of a song called "The Chosen Pessimist" by In Flames:)
[17:41] <sirriffsalot_> mbeierl: no?:P
[17:51] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: you'd just need to load it up and dial in what you want
[17:51] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: uhm, dial in what I want?:S
[17:51] <holstein> there are all kinds of combinations such as using both of those tools (rakarrack and guitarix) together, and/or another tool or more
[17:51] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: correct
[17:51] <holstein> i dont think *anyone* will be able to tell you how to get the sound you are going for exactly
[17:52] <holstein> however folks in #opensourcemusicians might be more helpful
[17:52] <holstein> dialing in the sound you want is usually considered part of the fun though
[17:52] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: hmm ok. well, I have no idea what I am after in terms of all the options... What are some other guitar sweeties in Linux except rakarrack and guitarix?
[17:53] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: there are the actual affects you are going for
[17:53] <holstein> they are just effects, you can choose to use them on guitar or whatever
[17:53] <holstein> i use rakarrack on other things often
[17:54] <holstein> compression is used.. gates... you name it, you can load it up and put it on your guitar and dial it in
[17:54] <sirriffsalot_> Hmm, alright:) Cheers mate
[17:54] <holstein> sure
[17:54] <holstein> look at someones pedal board
[17:54] <holstein> emulate
[17:55] <holstein> ask guitar players what they use and emulate that in the workflow
[17:57] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: i would make it dead simple
[17:57] <holstein> i would grab a clip and put it up
[17:57] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: I don't know anyone playing guitar who use linux haha:)
[17:57] <holstein> or link to a youtube vid
[17:58] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: so
[17:58] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: you just need to know the effect types
[17:58] <sirriffsalot_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wye6CygA0Lc :P
[17:58] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: then, by taking a logical leap, you can fill in that gear with effects from the FOSS toolkit
[17:58] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: you should link that in the other channel is what im getting at
[17:58] <sirriffsalot_> FOSS toolkit..
[17:59] <sirriffsalot_> Doing that too
[17:59] <holstein> right now, you are asking a lot of a random passer-by
[17:59] <sirriffsalot_> Alright!
[18:00] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: thats really not much distortion
[18:00] <holstein> theres a preset in rakarrack that'll get close to that though
[18:00] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: alright? Which one?:)
[18:00] <holstein> thats almost clean
[18:00] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: i dont know what its called
[18:00] <holstein> and i dont have it pulled up
[18:01] <holstein> again... just go through til you get one close
[18:01] <holstein> and then tweak from there
[18:01] <sirriffsalot_> Ok, in the "standard set" of rakarrack?
[18:01] <holstein> yup
[18:02] <sirriffsalot_> Strange...
[18:02] <sirriffsalot_> I remember going through them a week and a half ago and not finding anything to my liking. Gonna look again in a while:)
[18:02] <sirriffsalot_> Cheers for the help mate!
[18:02] <holstein> anytime!
[18:03] <holstein> you wont find that one
[18:03] <holstein> you'll find something with lowgain that you can tweak
[18:12] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: "won't find that one"?
[18:14] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: you wont find a magic plugin that is *exactly* what you are looking for
[18:14] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: imagin you are putting presets in a piece of software like that
[18:14] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: I get that of course:)
[18:14] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: just after a timesaver;D Cheers=)
[18:15] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: right on... try that channel i mentioned
[18:15] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: did, but no reply haha:)
[18:25] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: when i joined this channel, i waited liertally 2 weeks for a response
[18:25] <holstein> then, i just stayed and started answering questions
[18:25] <holstein> thats why i suggest "self discovery"
[18:26] <holstein> thats really what is going to get you exactly what you want in the end anyways
[18:26] <sirriffsalot_> Yeah, but it's kinda hard to answer questions when you never get help in finding the answers before that...
[18:26] <sirriffsalot_> The reason people ask questions here is to save lots of tireless googling I suppose...
[18:26] <sirriffsalot_> I love helping people so:P Been at #ardour for some time now
[18:26] <holstein> cool.. glad to have you.. we can use the help :)
[18:26] <sirriffsalot_> But yes, I agree about that, I know what you're saying;)
[18:43] <foormea> hi. i'm affected by a bug with pitivi the prevents me from rendering anything
[18:43] <sirriffsalot_> foormea: pitivi?
[18:44] <foormea> what are my options to do my rendering? i have no other workstation with another distro installed and i tried running ubuntu 11.10 in a virtual machine and no luck
[18:44] <foormea> pitivi, yes, simple video editing program
[18:44] <holstein> foormea: i would get the config out of the way... either remove or rename in your /home directory or try with a new user account temporarily
[18:45] <holstein> foormea: i wouldnt expect rendering in VM to go well
[18:45] <foormea> no no it's a known/reported bug
[18:45] <holstein> foormea: cool.. it rendered for me in 10.04
[18:45] <foormea> i'm just wondering if i could render using another program, but i don't know much abotu video editing file standards
[18:45] <holstein> you can try 10.04, or 12.04 is live
[18:45] <holstein> foormea: sure... choose one and give it a go :)
[18:45] <holstein> oenshot and kdenlive are popular
[18:45] <sirriffsalot_> foormea: ah, cool. Will look into it, but can't help you there I'm afraid
[18:46] <foormea> argh... reinstalling  a whole distro somewhere just to render something... :(
[18:46] <holstein> openshot*
[18:46] <holstein> foormea: sure.. or one of my other suggestions
[18:46] <holstein> foormea: i just wouldnt personally expect rendering in VM to ever go smooth
[18:46] <foormea> yeah
[18:46] <holstein> im unaware of a bug,, and the 12.04 CD runs live
[18:47] <foormea> i'll do it with my work laptop later. got a 11.04 or somethig on it
[18:47] <sirriffsalot_> Is there a way of "saving" a ubuntu install on one computer and installing that copy on another computer?
[18:47] <holstein> foormea: srue.. or in the 12.04 live CD suggested
[18:47] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: you can close... you can try moving the /home directory
[18:47] <holstein> ubuntuone sync is an option as well
[18:48] <foormea> holstein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pitivi/+bug/882790
[18:48] <holstein> foormea: im not going to be much help with that...im just saying it could be another issue other than a bug
[18:48] <holstein> you can try removing the config files, or one of the other things i suggested
[18:48] <foormea> ah okay. yeah i'll give it a try
[18:49] <foormea> thanks for yoru suggestions!
[18:49] <holstein> foormea: sure
[18:49] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: But that still doesn't save all my settings in terms of appearance et cetera:(
[18:49] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: it saves what you like
[18:49] <sirriffsalot_> The home directory is just my files..
[18:50] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: thats where those settings should mostly be
[18:50] <sirriffsalot_> holstein: in terms of appearance?
[18:50] <sirriffsalot_> Oh
[18:50] <holstein> sirriffsalot_: should be... on a user level
[18:50] <sirriffsalot_> the .config etcc?
[18:50] <holstein> yup
[18:50] <sirriffsalot_> Hmmm
[22:24] <len-dt> Aram, Sorry I had to run earlier. Had to get to work. Glad you figured it out.


[00:17] <twb> e_t_: why?
[00:18] <e_t_> I've got a multi-homed server. I'd like to set up Active Directory integration on one interface while leaving the configuration alone on the other interfaces.
[00:23] <twb> Hum, OK.
[00:24] <twb> Surely you can just have two upstart jobs, each calling smbd -C /etc/samba/smb-foo.conf?
[00:24] <twb> Not that I know much about samba specifically...
[00:26] <e_t_> I was looking at upstart-job, but I didn't see where I could introduce options. That's why I asked earlier about the pre-Upstart init script.
[00:57] <twb> e_t_: you add them to the exec line
[00:57] <twb> It's just passed to /bin/sh -c
[01:04] <fluvvell> I need to reallocate a bad sector of this 640G drive so I can clone the data off.  What ubuntu programs do the job
[01:05] <e_t_> twb: I'm looking at /lib/init/upstart-job, but I don't see any exec. To what are you referring?
[01:08] <twb> e_t_: uh?
[01:09] <twb> e_t_: you should be looking at /etc/init/samba.conf
[01:09] <twb> Oh, apparently as at lucid, samba is not using upstart.
[01:09] <e_t_> Oh. I was looking at /etc/init.d/smbd, which is a link to upstart-job.
[01:09] <twb> Nooo, it is.  /etc/init/{smbd,nmbd}.conf
[01:10] <twb> The file /etc/init.d/smbd is a backwards-compatibility thing so that "/etc/init.d/foo restart" does the same as "restart foo"
[01:10] <twb> And the scripts /etc/init.d/samba{,4} are there in case you want/need to do it the old way, I guess...
[01:11] <twb> So yeah: you need /etc/init/[sn]mbd.conf
[01:12] <e_t_> OK. I did not know about /etc/init. I never read anything that referenced that.
[01:13] <twb> e_t_: that's upstart
[01:15] <e_t_> twb: Will any script I put in /etc/init be run by upstart, or do I need update-rc.d?
[01:16] <twb> If you read the upstart manpages, they cover the format of /etc/init/foo.conf entries
[01:16] <twb> And no, update-rc.d only applies to sysvinit jobs
[01:17] <twb> Basically any job in /etc/init/foo.conf will be started/stopped in response to the events it's declared to care about, e.g. "stop on runlevel [06]"
[01:18] <e_t_> OK. This will be easier than I thought.
[01:23] <twb> HOORAY
[01:25] <arrrghhh> hey all.  i have access to  my server via ssh, but only on my windows box.  how can i add access if i've already disabled password auth?  seems there's no 'good' way to update the key, but i guess that's the price i pay for security?  haha
[01:26] <twb> arrrghhh: unless you use OTP instead of an asymmetric key.
[01:27] <arrrghhh> well i have access to the box from windows
[01:27] <arrrghhh> can i just add it to the known_hosts?
[01:29] <twb> OK, I no longer have any clue what you're talking about.
[01:29] <twb> known_hosts is a client-side MITM defense -- what does it have to do with anything?
[01:58] <fluvvell> twb, you don't need any gumboots sent over?
[01:59] <twb> I do not.
[02:00] <fluvvell> good to hear
[02:27] <arrrghhh> twb, sorry, got a little sidetracked there.  obviously i don't know much about ssh or more specifically how keys work with ssh.  i understand there's a public and a private key, and that i need to put my private key from the client onto the server so i can authenticate.  i'm just wondering how i can do that manually if you will.
[02:28] <twb> arrrghhh: ssh-copy-id?
[02:28] <twb> Or just add it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server
[02:28] <twb> And it's the *public* key you upload, *not* the private key
[02:29] <arrrghhh> ah, figures i'd get that backwards.
[02:29] <arrrghhh> that's what i'm looking for
[02:30] <twb> The private key must be kept secret -- if somone gets it, it is GAME OVER
[02:30] <arrrghhh> twb, understood.
[02:30] <twb> i.e. it is the weakest link of the asymmetric crypto mode
[02:30] <twb> *model
[02:30] <arrrghhh> yea
[02:31] <arrrghhh> twb, i don't seem to have an authorized_keys in my .ssh folder.
[02:31] <arrrghhh> on the server
[02:33] <twb> arrrghhh: you must create one
[02:33] <twb> arrrghhh: if you can ssh in with a password, the ssh-copy-id program does all this for you
[02:35] <arrrghhh> i have password logins disabled
[02:35] <arrrghhh> i thought that was part of the point of using keys
[02:35] <arrrghhh> i guess i need to get all clients configured before i disable password logins?
[02:36] <arrrghhh> hrm.  i thought it just appended to the authorized_keys file
[02:37] <twb> It *is* part of the pint
[02:37] <twb> *point
[02:37] <twb> Often they're still turned on during migration, though
[02:38] <arrrghhh> yea
[02:38] <arrrghhh> so what's the "best practices" method of adding clients after the fact?
[02:38] <arrrghhh> tacacs?  lol
[02:38] <twb> You *can* do it by hand, but newbies tend to forget to chown or chmod or whatever
[02:41] <arrrghhh> alright.  i guess i'll just re-enable password logins and get this client up
[02:41] <arrrghhh> i just know that i'll have more
[02:51] <jmarsden> arrrghhh: You can create a group called say hasnosshkey and then use a Match block in sshd_config so folks in that group can use password login.  Then remove people from that group once they have a public key pair in place and tested.
[02:52] <arrrghhh> jmarsden, i'm the only one that logs into it, but that is a good solution for multi-user setups.
[02:53] <jmarsden> I though you said "I just know I'll have more"?  I thought that meant "more users"?
[02:53] <twb> I think he means more hosts
[02:54] <arrrghhh> sorry.  different devices that i want to connect into the box.
[03:32] <CppIsWeird> im having some strange issues with a mdadm raid5. i have two raid 5's. every time i reboot my computer, mdadm seems to have some device called md_d1 that is associated with one of the drives from the first array. the second weird issue is that it has started to rebuild the second raid every time i boot up.
[03:34] <ignarps> CppIsWeird, you need to setup proper entries in mdadm.conf
[03:36] <CppIsWeird> just to clear up my understanding. i recently reinstalled from scratch ubuntu. one of the raids ive had for a while (prior to the new install), the other has been made since. when i installed ubuntu the old one poped right up and worked without any issues so i assumed no further configuration was required. is this an incorrect assumption?
[03:37] <ignarps> yes,  always have an up to date mdadm.conf whenever the raid changes
[03:38] <CppIsWeird> ok. further, for some strange reason my device associations keep changing (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb) etc. is this also reason for the trouble?
[03:39] <ignarps> I don't understand.  you can verify the settings in mdadm.conf with
[03:39] <ignarps> mdadm --examine --scan --config=mdadm.conf
[03:39] <CppIsWeird> ok, i will work with that, thank you.
[04:23] <s2s2d2> hello I have installed ubuntu server on ec2 via official ami image
[04:25] <s2s2d2> but I am not able login into ssh with importing my ssh  certificate
[04:25] <s2s2d2> is possible
[04:26] <s2s2d2> lo login without that darned ssh certificate ...with username and password only
[04:27] <s2s2d2> pl tell me asap
[04:28] <s2s2d2> anybody there
[04:28] <s2s2d2> yoooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:33] <s2s2d2> dead channel
[04:33] <s2s2d2> ??
[04:34] <e_t_> Oh no. This channel is quite lively. Please be patient. If someone knows the answer to your question, they will answer.
[04:56] <jmarsden> s2s2d2: Doesn't https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide have enough info to get you started?  Are you talking about an SSH login to ec2, or to your resulting Ubuntu server image once it is started?
[06:28] <Datz> !seen suihkulokki
[06:28] <Datz> darn
[07:50] <Flam> Hey, I've almost got rsnapshot but I'm a little confused with backing up my MySQL DB.  I've googled around and come up with this command: "backup_script   /usr/bin/ssh -i /home/rsnapshot/.ssh/id_rsa -p 12341<EMAIL_ADDRESS>'mysqldump -u root -pXXXXXXXXXXX --all-databases | gzip > ~/all.sql.gz'         relative/path/here" to be put in my /etc/rsnapshot.conf, but what is the point of
[07:50] <Flam> the "relative/path/here" part at the end?
[07:57] <e_t_> It looks to me like it would be the local directory to which backup_script transfers the all.sql.gz once it is created on the remote machine.
[08:02] <Flam> It isn't in /home/rsnapshot dir on the remote machine, and my mysqldump specifies gzip > ~/all.sql.gz'
[08:03] <Flam> and on the destination machine /home/rsnapshot/hourly.0/mysqldump    (mysqldump being what i put for relative/path/here) is empty
[08:03] <Flam> but it created that folder itself
[08:04] <Flam> I think it's just a required argument to be passed into a rsnapshot function perhaps?  Even if it isn't needed by the function
[08:06] <twb> Huh, look at that.
[08:06] <twb> sadms appears to be a turnkey packaging for being a client in an AD network
[08:16] <gobbe> yes
[08:49] <Zeu5> hi there, i have installed a ubuntu server on amazon web services ec2 successfully
[08:50] <Zeu5> i need to create another user called deploy
[08:50] <Zeu5> i did sudo useradd -d /home/deploy -m deploy
[08:50] <Zeu5> and i copied the .ssh folder over from the initial user to deploy home folder
[08:51] <Zeu5> however, when i logged in via ssh i do not see deploy@ip-123-123-12-12
[08:51] <Zeu5> please advise
[08:54] <e_t_> Zeu5: So you were able to log in, you just didn't see<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[09:30] <Thorn> hello
[09:31] <Thorn> I have a tested and working exim.conf which I need to move to an ubuntu server
[09:32] <Thorn> is it possible to use it with the ubuntu exim package or will I have to install exim from sources?
[09:37] <gobbe> if the versions are not too far away it should be
[09:37] <gobbe> usually configs are usable thru versions
[09:38] <Thorn> but there's no /etc/exim/exim.conf or similar in ubuntu, is it?
[09:39] <StrangeCharm> how can i make a symlink in . to each file in /some/dir ?
[09:40] <Thorn> StrangeCharm: ln -s /some/dir/* .
[09:40] <Thorn> there's some kind of autoconfiguration system instead which generates the actual config
[09:40] <StrangeCharm> thanks Thorn
[09:41] <Thorn> and I can't find a way to plug my exim.conf into it
[09:41] <gobbe> Thorn: well, configuration is somewhere
[09:41] <gobbe> Thorn: i don't use exim so cannot answer where the file is located
[09:41] <Thorn> it's in /var and is rewritten on every startup
[09:41] <gobbe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Exim4
[09:41] <gobbe> ok, so you need to do it otherway
[09:41] <gobbe> or compile your own exim
[09:42] <Thorn> I've read that already, and several forum threads too
[09:43] <Thorn> all they advise is to run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and answer some questions
[09:44] <Thorn> unfortunately my config is somewhat more complicated than that
[09:49] <Thorn> that's right, exim -bP configure_file says /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
[09:52] <Thorn> looks like I'll have to hack /etc/init.d/exim to add -C /etc/exim4/exim.conf
[10:08] <lau> Thorn: may be look at /etc/default/exim4 first ?
[10:11] <Thorn> lau: I'm installing exim from source now
[10:32] <a7ndrew> This is a bit of a long shot, but would anyone know if there is a way to rate-limit the network bandwidth used by a process while keeping it running?
[10:42] <twister004> hi guys.. i have ipsec tunnels setup on my Ubuntu server 10.04
[10:43] <twister004> I am implementing destination NAT for the first time.. i.e. .. I am creating a new tunnel (other VPN endpoint is a sonicwall) where the destination subnet is NATed.. i activated the tunnel , key exchange takes place, but Im not able to communicate with the destination subnet.. any idea if IPsec is capable of NAT?
[10:45] <a7ndrew> I think it is but I haven't done that on linux, only cisco gear, sorry :(
[10:45] <a7ndrew> Is there a route in your gateweay that points to the destination subnet?
[10:46] <twister004> a7ndrew... what route?.. could you elaborate pl;ease?
[10:49] <a7ndrew> twister004: if you type the route command on your machine, is the subnet you want to connect to listed? Also is it a private ip address ie 192.168.X.X or 172.3X.X.X or 10.X.X.X ?
[10:50] <a7ndrew> also are you trying to pass all your traffic through this tunnel, or only traffic to particular subnet(s)?
[10:51] <twister004> a7ndrew.. the remote subnet is(<IP_ADDRESS>/24).. im NATin it to (<IP_ADDRESS>/24).... on my gateway, the route is such that any traffic to <IP_ADDRESS>/24 goes through my gateway
[10:51] <twister004> all traffic is not going through the tunnel
[10:56] <a7ndrew> So you should have an entry in your routing table that says <IP_ADDRESS>   <end point of IPSEC tunnel>  <<IP_ADDRESS>>
[10:57] <Rno> Hello, sorry to ask my question about apparmor here, it's not related to ubuntu server but ubuntu. I'm using the guest login of ubuntu, and so the guest aparmor profile and I'm not able to use google chrome within a guest session. I would like to know if it's possible to add a sub profile to the guest apparmor profile which has no security rule for google chrome?
[11:10] <twister004> a7ndrew... i didnt get you.. what's the point of NATing... <IP_ADDRESS> is getting NATed to <IP_ADDRESS>/24 at the other end.. so my endpoint should see it as <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[11:15] <a7ndrew> ok as I understand it you have one network, <IP_ADDRESS> which you are trying to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>. Each of these networks has a gateway, which would have a public interface. NAT translates all traffic from the inside to that on the outside. When you set up your IPSEC tunnel you need to define the interesting traffic to go through the tunnel, and it needs to know where to go.
[11:16] <a7ndrew> You can't send your traffic to <IP_ADDRESS> out your default gateway because <IP_ADDRESS> won't be in any internet routing tables.
[11:16] <a7ndrew> You need to specify that it needs to use the tunnel.
[11:58] <freddy__> Hi - I have a probelm with my ubuntu server - suddenly the filesystem is mounted ro without my doing anything ...
[12:00] <freddy__> is it possible to see when it was mounted ro, mabe why, and how to get back in rw ?
[12:19] <patdk-lap> freddy, that would be the, erros=remount-ro option
[12:19] <patdk-lap> use dmesg
[12:19] <patdk-lap> and it means something is probably really screwed up
[12:20] <patdk-lap> I've only ever had that issue so far, due to a wifi driver gone wrong, and corrupting the ext3 driver
[12:24] <s2s2d2> hello I have installed ubuntu server on ec2 via official ami image
[12:24] <s2s2d2> is possible
[12:24] <s2s2d2> lo login without that darned ssh certificate ...with username and password only
[12:24] <a7ndrew> I've had a crappy power supply cause that issue. At least I'm pretty sure it was the power supply.
[12:25] <s2s2d2> ??
[12:26] <a7ndrew> s2s2d2: try looking up the man page for sshd_config I think its in there
[12:27] <a7ndrew> /etc/ssh/sshd_config is probably a good place to start
[12:35] <s2s2d2> a7ndrew: what to change in that
[12:49] <freddy__> patdk-lap: ok
[12:50] <freddy__> patdk-lap: dmesg says EXT3-fs error (device md0) in ext3_new_inode: IO failure
[12:54] <freddy__> patdk-lap: and: EXT3-fs error (device md0): read_inode_bitmap: Cannot read inode bitmap - block_gr                                                                                oup = 532, inode_bitmap = 17432577
[13:06] <a7ndrew> s2s2d2: I've got a line in mine that says: PasswordAuthentication no
[13:07] <a7ndrew> perhaps try changing that to yes and restarting sshd ;)
[13:07] <binBASH> passwords are overrated :)
[13:07] <binBASH> lo patdk-lap btw.
[13:08] <a7ndrew> why not use certificates though? It is a little harder to set up but once that's done its much nicer
[13:08] <a7ndrew> not to mention safer!
[13:08] <binBASH> here I'm using OpenVPN and ssh is only possible when OpenVPN is connected ;)
[13:31] <tsarles> Anyone here able to help with an IET / ISCSITarget problem?
[13:31] <pmatulis> !ask | tsarles
[13:33] <tsarles> I had been running the ubuntu repo version 1.4.19 for a while, but kept getting reservation conflicts, so I decided to update to the current <IP_ADDRESS>...... and now when i start the service it says it can't find the target
[13:34] <tsarles> fortunately I was able to failover to my backup DRBD node, which is still running the old version
[13:34] <tsarles> but, I would like to get this thing figured out
[13:34] <pmatulis> tsarles: how did you update to the new version?
[13:35] <tsarles> apt-get build-dep iscsitarget. make. make install
[13:36] <pmatulis> tsarles: not supposed to do that
[13:36] <HackeMate> hello, I have installed the webdav server, and using cadaver i can access it but from windows i cant using the connect to a shared folder
[13:36] <tsarles> oh...
[13:36] <HackeMate> i can access it from an iphone tough
[13:36] <HackeMate> do i need enable something i missed in somewhere?
[13:37] <tsarles> is there an updated .deb or something like that?
[13:37] <HackeMate> talking to me?
[13:37] <pmatulis> tsarles: what release are you using?
[13:38] <tsarles> 10.04 64 server
[13:38] <tsarles> nope, sorry, never used webdav
[13:38] <HackeMate> k
[13:39] <pmatulis> tsarles: no, unless you want to run 10.10
[13:40] <tsarles> hmm
[13:40] <tsarles> guess i'm not completely opposed
[13:40] <pmatulis> tsarles: did you check the changelogs of the upstream source to see if that version would help you?  is there a known bug related to your initial problem?
[13:43] <zul> Daviey: do how did you extract the java stuff?
[13:43] <tsarles> I did look at the release notes, and it did seem to make me think it would help
[13:44] <pmatulis> tsarles: are you able to reproduce the problem in a test environment?
[13:44] <tsarles> well... unfortunately I don't have a deticated test environment, but yes, I can reproduce it
[13:46] <tsarles> I have two VMWare nodes accessing this iscsitarget, and ocassionally, the iscsi service will come to a complete lock, and my switch LEDs go nuts. I wiresharked the thing, and it was giving reservation conflict errors. temporary fix is to restart the iscsitarget service when this happens
[13:48] <tsarles> it is semi-random, but the one thing I have found that will reproduce this condition fast is trying to load Solaris inside VMWare to a disk on the iscsi service
[13:48] <pmatulis> tsarles: and a bug?
[13:49] <tsarles> i believe it is a bug with the iscsi service, which is why i was trying to update...... and of course, you never know until you try it
[13:50] <pmatulis> tsarles: what i mean is, did you search for an existing bug?  and if there isn't one, it should be reported
[13:53] <tsarles> i have been searching google for related information, but i havn't reported it to canonical
[13:53] <tsarles> I was going to check ubuntu forums, but it seems my login is broken - unrelated
[13:54] <tsarles> where should i report this?
[14:02] <zoopster> tsarles: report the bug on launchpad.net!
[14:03] <tsarles> Will do
[14:03] <tsarles> until then, i guess the only solution i'm going to get here is to upgrade to 10.10?
[14:07] <patdk-wk> tsarles, why bother with iscsi for that?
[14:08] <patdk-wk> nfs will make your life simpler, and probably even make backups easier
[14:09] <tsarles> I guess I'm not opposed to that line of thinking
[14:10] <tsarles> NFS will multi-access? I can still V-Motion between boxes without one machine locking the file?
[14:13] <tsarles> Well, got a service call to run to. Thanks for the advice
[14:14] <henkjan__> with 2.6.35 in repo for lucid, is it easy to install that kernel from the installer?
[14:19] <pmatulis> henkjan__: i don't see a 2.6.35 kernel available for lucid unless you're talking about the lts backports kernel
[14:20] <henkjan__> % apt-cache policy linux-image-server-lts-backport-maverick
[14:20] <henkjan__> linux-image-server-lts-backport-maverick:
[14:20] <henkjan__>   Installed: (none)
[14:20] <henkjan__>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>.34
[14:20] <henkjan__>   Version table:
[14:21] <pmatulis> henkjan__: 'xactly, so what's the problem?
[14:21] <henkjan__>      <IP_ADDRESS>.34 0
[14:21] <henkjan__>         500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main Packages
[14:21] <henkjan__> pmatulis: its in lucid-updates
[14:21] <pmatulis> henkjan__: what's the problem?
[14:21] <henkjan__> new fujitsu servers have unsupported (in 2.6.32) sascontrollers
[14:21] <henkjan__> currently i'm booting maverick, and debootstrapping lucid
[14:21] <pmatulis> henkjan__: what's the problem?
[14:22] <pmatulis> henkjan__: install it if you want it
[14:22] <pmatulis> henkjan__: oh, from the installer
[14:22] <henkjan__> i would like to do that from the installer yes :)
[14:23] <pmatulis> henkjan__: not 'till 10.04.2 i'm afraid.  pretty sure there will be a special question whether you want this kernel
[14:24] <pmatulis> henkjan__: that's in a couple of weeks
[14:24] <henkjan__> ah
[14:24] <henkjan__> i'll wait a couple of weeks and whine again if its not in the installer ;)
[14:25] <pmatulis> henkjan__: i'm sure you can hack something up if you really need it that badly
[14:27] <zul> Daviey: i re-added debmirror in cobbler just now
[15:03] <skorv> i wonder how to share usb printer for both windows and linux clients using nothing but the shell
[15:03] <skorv> (so far i resisted installing ubuntu-desktop in my servers
[15:19] <evdvelde>  Hi all, does anybody have experience with zoneedit or another free DNS service? I would like to start using one, but dont know how to choose...
[15:20] <hallyn> evdvelde: i use zoneedit.  no complaints.  works well
[15:21] <evdvelde> thx hallyn, i found there site too, but did not want to start using it without a bit of info and such
[15:21] <zul> JamesPage: hi can you rebase your cobbler-4j branch please?
[15:21] <JamesPage> zul: already on it
[15:22] <zul> JamesPage: thanks
[15:22] <evdvelde> hallyn: do they have e-mail forwarding? i have mail with google at the moment and would like to keep it there
[15:23] <JamesPage> zul: done
[15:23] <zul> JamesPage: thanks
[15:24] <JamesPage> zul: just spotted some cruft in the diff - don't review yet...
[15:24] <andreserl> kirkland_: howdy!! The InputMonitor works amazingly!!
[15:25] <freddy__> exit
[15:25] <freddy__> exit
[15:25] <freddy__> exit
[15:25] <kirkland_> andreserl: that's great to hear :-)
[15:25] <zul> JamesPage: ack
[15:25] <andreserl> kirkland_: btw.. I don't yet have acces to the powernap branch right?
[15:26] <hallyn> evdvelde: yes, they do
[15:27] <JamesPage> zul: OK - it looks a bit odd because I used wrap-and-sort to order the Depends but should be OK for review now.
[15:28] <zul> JamesPage: merci
[15:28] <JamesPage> zul: np ping me if anything needs a change
[15:35] <kirkland_> andreserl: huh?  i thought you did
[15:35] <Daviey> zul, is git needed as a build dep?
[15:36] <andreserl> kirkland_: nope, couldn't upload :/
[15:37] <kirkland_> andreserl: i'll fix that
[15:37] <kirkland_> andreserl: gimme a minute, i'm working on somehting for zul at the moment
[15:43] <andreserl> kirkland_: sure, It is not urgent :)
[16:02] <Thirtysixway> ignore -channels #ubuntu-server * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
[16:02] <Thirtysixway> oops
[16:21] <kirkland> andreserl: okay, lp:powernap now points to lp:~powernap/powernap/trunk which you have access to
[16:22] <andreserl> kirkland: awesome, thanks!
[16:32] <zul> JamesPage: *cough* http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/555452/ *cough*
[16:33] <JamesPage> zul: ta
[16:33] <kpettit> how to do a search like "apt-cache search apache" but be able to tell which of those packages is installed?
[16:34] <kpettit> I know how to tell if a individual one is there, but not how to do a wildcard type of search to see what's installed
[16:35] <baggar11> kpettit: dpkg -l | grep apache
[16:36] <kpettit> ah, thanks.  exactly what I was looking for
[16:39] <JamesPage> zul: just sorting the one in debian/control as well
[16:40] <zul> JamesPage: k i would like to finish this today
[16:40] <zul> kirkland: i put the debmirroring back in cobbler last night as well
[16:51] <JamesPage> zul: all good - let me test that the binary package was OK as well so good to go
[16:51] <zul> JamesPage: cool ill hunt you down after lunch if anything goes wrong
[16:53] <JamesPage> zul: sorry but build time is going to go up as java pulls in a load of extra deps....
[16:54] <zul> JamesPage: grrrrrrr...;)
[17:02] <JamesPage> zul: I just spotted a mistake - arch for libcobbler4j-java is incorrect
[17:06] <JamesPage> zul: fixed in proposed merge
[17:47] <zul> JamesPage: thanks
[17:57] <zul> die java die!
[17:58] <andreserl> zul: +1 lol
[17:58] <oCean> :)
[17:59] <andreserl> zul: hold up the cluster-agents bug fix  couple more days I wanna see if upstream commits few patches for the RA's I'm patching
[17:59] <zul> andreserl: consider it done
[18:00] <andreserl> zul: but you can take a look at bug #525287 though :)
[18:01] <zul> andreserl: i rather have someone on foundations look at that
[18:03] <andreserl> zul: ok :)
[18:03] <zul> JamesPage: looks good
[18:05] <zul> SpamapS: ping
[18:07] <SpamapS> zul: pong, wazzzzzahhhhhh
[18:07] <zul> SpamapS: hi, the jar file in cobbler is gone now does have to be renamed dfsg?
[18:09] <SpamapS> zul: good question. Given that we are building the orig tarball from the git repository, I think we should say no, and just report it as a bug upstream (or get a license clarification for the jar file, at which point we don't have to strip it out)
[18:09] <zul> SpamapS: okies
[18:09] <SpamapS> actually.. hmm
[18:10] <SpamapS> If its built from entirely GPL software, then it has a license and doesn't have to be removed (though we still have to build it for the binary packages)
[18:14] <zul> meh...well see what jdstrand says
[18:15] <zul> SpamapS: just uploaded it
[18:20] <SpamapS> zul: ok.. cool :)
[18:26] <jdstrand> zul, SpamapS: so, does cobbler have an 'official' release tarball or is it just git?
[18:26] <jdstrand> zul, SpamapS: I realize you are just using git, but in general
[18:26] <zul> jdstrand: its just git for now SpamapS is talking to them about cutting a 2.1 tarball in the futre
[18:27] <jdstrand> zul: those files are all DFSG compatible?
[18:27] <zul> jdstrand: i believe so
[18:27] <zul> SpamapS: ^^^
[18:28] <jdstrand> zul: well, this isn't like stripping out swf files, per se, it is that the jar should be buildable from source
[18:28] <zul> jdstrand: it is...
[18:28] <jdstrand> zul: as such, I don't think it needs dfsg
[18:28] <zul> jdstrand: k cool
[18:29] <jdstrand> zul: if you are using a 'get-orig' type thing in the Makefile, then perhaps you can exclude the jar file
[18:29] <jdstrand> zul: s/Makefile/rules file/
[18:29] <zul> jdstrand: ok i think we can do that in the futre
[18:29] <jdstrand> zul: just a suggestion
[18:29] <zul> jdstrand: sure
[18:31] <SpamapS> jdstrand: the jar file will be in the release tarballs when they arrive.
[18:31] <SpamapS> so stripping in get-orig means altering the release tarballs, which I'm hoping we can avoid.
[18:32] <SpamapS> zul: I think there are some files that don't have a license that were supposed to be manually removed from .orig.tar.gz .. but I don't recall actually telling you which files.
[18:32] <SpamapS> zul: like the pres/ directory
[18:33] <SpamapS> zul: is get-orig-source from git working again? Like.. can I modify that bit to remove those files?
[18:34] <zul> SpamapS; no it got removed
[18:36]  * jdstrand wonders why the jar can't just be built during the build
[18:36] <SpamapS> jdstrand: it is!
[18:36] <jdstrand> so why are they shipping it?
[18:37] <SpamapS> jdstrand: because jdk's are hated in the sysadmin community. ;)
[18:43] <SpamapS> so yeah already I can see a few files that need stripping .. guess we got unsynced on that one
[18:46] <SpamapS> zul: how do you want to do this? I have some files that needs tripping out of that orig tarball? should I just bzr rm them from the build branch and tag the rev as a new upstream-XX ?
[18:47] <zul> SpamapS: yes please and document them in the commit so we know going forward
[18:52] <SpamapS> zul: should I start working in a side branch and do MP's like James and Dave did?
[18:53] <zul> SpamapS: sounds like a plan
[19:02] <SpamapS> zul: actually I think all we need to do is use setup.py dist
[19:03] <SpamapS> sdist rather
[19:06] <SpamapS> zul: that is the method they use to produce the source rpms upstream, and so is likely all we'll need.
[19:06] <zul> SpamapS: really sweet..
[19:06] <SpamapS> wish I'd thought of that sooner the copyright file would have been a lot smaller and easier to generate. ;)
[19:07] <andreserl> kirkland: ok, integration with the monitors is pretty much done. Just need to figure out some things out first.
[19:08] <andreserl> kirkland: if I use a RemoteMonitor in port7, and we are the selected action is PowerSave. then the WoL Monitor won't work given that it listens to Port7. What do you think should be done here? I was thinking something like "If action is powersave, then don't use RemoteMonitor in port 7"
[19:10] <kirkland> andreserl: hmm, i don't think i understand yet ...
[19:10] <kirkland> andreserl: can you clarify
[19:11] <andreserl> kirkland: ok, so at the Rally, you saw that when entering to Powersave method, PowerNap started a WoL Monitor to be able to "wakeup" and un-do what pm-powersave did. This WoL monitor listens at port udp 7.
[19:11] <kirkland> andreserl: right
[19:11] <kirkland> andreserl: and why did you choose port 7?
[19:12] <andreserl> kirkland: WoL, it is either 7 or 9
[19:12] <kirkland> andreserl: okay
[19:12] <andreserl> kirkland: and powerwake by default sends to port 7
[19:13] <andreserl> kirkland: ok so anyways, I have integrated Adams RemoteMonitor. What this monitor does is listen for *any* traffic in a given port (Can be 7, 9, 80, or all at once)
[19:13] <kirkland> andreserl: awesome,
[19:13] <kirkland> andreserl: that's very cool
[19:15] <patdk-wk> hmm, wol doesn't use ports, the port is just to make it easier to send the packet
[19:15] <andreserl> kirkland: indeed... it is limited to UDP only though. But anyway, if we select action method as powersave (which will start a WoL monitor in udp7 when entering to powersave), and if we have a RemoteMonitor listening in port7, the WoL monitor will fail to bind the port
[19:16] <patdk-wk> wouldn't the wol monitor be useless? as that udp that did the wol would be lost anyways
[19:16] <andreserl> patdk-wk: a WoL datagram is a UDP datagram sent to either port 7 or 9
[19:16] <patdk-wk> actually, no :)
[19:17] <patdk-wk> it's a packet that contains a specially crafted stream of bytes
[19:17] <andreserl> kirkland: so the solution I was thinking is "If ACTION_METHOD is PowerSave, then ignore a RemoteMonitor in port 7 to be able to launch the WoL Monitor"
[19:17] <patdk-wk> nothing to do with what port
[19:17] <patdk-wk> it doesn't even need to be IP :)
[19:19] <andreserl> patdk-wk: yes but they are still sent to an specific port, which is usually 7 or 9, but can be any port
[19:20] <kirkland> andreserl: sounds reasonable, i think
[19:21] <andreserl> patdk-wk: and in what we are doing, we need to know the port and having a RemoteMonitor and a "WoLMonitor" are two different things used for two different purposes
[19:21] <andreserl> kirkland: alright, other than the The InputMonitor (tracks usb/mouse input), ProcessMonitor, and IOMonitor also work. Will be uploading it in a while for your testing ;)
[19:21] <kirkland> andreserl: saaaaweeeeet
[19:22] <kirkland> andreserl: looking forward to it
[19:46] <zul> jdstrand: did you reject the upload?
[19:50] <jdstrand> zul: I haven't done anything with the upload. is it there now?
[19:50] <zul> jdstrand: not yet gimme a few can you reject the upload that is the queue now please?
[20:00] <jdstrand> zul: rejected
[20:00] <larsemil> hey! anyone here used amazon s3 in any way?
[20:00] <zul> jdstrand: thanks
[20:01] <larsemil> and by using s3 i mean amazon s3
[20:01] <b0gatyr> larsemil: i host some images for a website
[20:12] <zul> SpamapS: *cough*
[20:12] <SpamapS> wha?
[20:13] <SpamapS> jdstrand: so there are a few python files in the upstream tarball that were copied direct from python 2.4 .. but we don't install them in binary packages..
[20:14] <SpamapS> jdstrand: should we strip them out of the tarball, or document their license in the debian/copyright file, or just ignore them?
[20:19] <jdstrand> SpamapS: just document their license
[20:22] <SpamapS> jdstrand: ok cool
[20:42] <hallyn> zul: hey, do you have strong feelings on ntp package?
[20:43] <zul> hallyn: not really
[20:43] <hallyn> zul, i'm trying to decide what to do with bug #697676
[20:44] <hallyn> debian ntp maintainers want someone to work a real fix upstream, which seems sensible to me
[20:44] <hallyn> but with kirkland feeling all save-the-world-like with powernap, i wasn't sure whether we'd want to have a patch to reduce power usage in our package :)
[20:45] <zul> hallyn: did you file a bug with debian?
[20:45] <kirkland> hallyn: :-)  +1 for sensible defaults
[20:45] <hallyn> zul: i emailed the package maintainers
[20:46] <hallyn> kirkland: yeah, but this isn't just defaults, it hacks the code
[20:46] <andreserl> lol
[20:46] <kirkland> hallyn: looking at the patch ...
[20:46] <hallyn> patch is used in fedora, but i didn't feel qualified to ack it by eye
[20:47]  * kirkland reading
[20:47] <zul> hallyn: i rather have it in debian if it changes the functionaily then i would say nack
[20:47] <kirkland> hallyn: yikes
[20:47] <kirkland> hallyn: that's um, invasive
[20:47] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah, zul is right ... we'll follow or work with debian on this one
[20:47] <hallyn> kirkland: :)  yeah, i don't *usually* admit to being unqualified to judge a patch, but in my email to ntp maintainers i did
[20:48] <hallyn> thanks, guys
[20:48] <kirkland> hallyn: are you joining us at Opal D's?
[20:48] <kirkland> hallyn: -> pm
[20:49] <zul> hallyn: besides fedora isnt always right even though they may think that
[20:51] <hallyn> zul: i wasn't saying that :)
[20:52] <hallyn> zul: just that they apparently think it's at least safe
[20:53] <patdk-wk> I vote, kill the polar bears
[20:53] <patdk-wk> :) not that I can vote :)
[20:59] <zul> hallyn: i know i was joking :0
[21:02] <hallyn> kirkland: d'oh, i shoulda left teh reply to you :)
[21:03] <kirkland> hallyn: ?
[21:03] <kirkland> hallyn: oh, to that bug?
[21:03] <kirkland> hallyn: i was just "supporting" you
[21:03] <hallyn> yeah
[21:03] <kirkland> hallyn: i haven't seen yours yet
[21:03] <hallyn> much more diplomatically :)
[21:07] <kirkland> hallyn: my experience is a) thank them profusely for their bug report/patch, etc, b) explain why we are advising against it, c) leave room for changing that opinion if $SOMETHING happens in the future to change that, d) thank them over again :-)
[21:10] <SpamapS> kirkland: reading cobbler devel? They just accepted a patch to query APC power switches for On/Off status.
[21:10] <SpamapS> adds a "power_status" api call. kind of cool
[21:10] <kirkland> SpamapS: rock!
[21:10] <kirkland> SpamapS: that is cool
[21:17] <andreserl> kirkland: if for example, for whatever reason, the WoL monitor is unable to start but the "powersave" action is taken, should the powersave be reverted?
[21:19] <SpamapS> andreserl: no more RoAkSoAx ? ;)
[21:21] <andreserl> SpamapS: hehe RoAkSoAx is still there though I've been trying to figure out if I use this nick instead for quite a while now lol :P
[21:21] <kirkland> andreserl: yeah, we don't want to enter a situation that we can't get out of
[21:21] <kirkland> SpamapS: heh, yeah, we have to type a lot more letters to tab complete :-)
[21:22]  * SpamapS tried to shake off SpamapS a couple years ago. It felt like shaking off a piece of my soul.
[21:22] <andreserl> kirkland: yeah, though we could fallback to a different port though. Btw.. does powerwake support using a different port?
[21:24] <kirkland> andreserl: it does not currently
[21:24] <kirkland> andreserl: i suppose it could though ....
[21:24] <andreserl> kirkland: I guess it will make more sense to use a fallback port when powerwaked exists, so it can keep track of that info
[21:25] <andreserl> kirkland: so that powerwake knows what port to use when sending the magic packet
[21:25] <andreserl> SpamapS: I know what you mean!! I'
[21:26] <andreserl> been using RoAkSoAx for quite a while now
[21:27] <kirkland> andreserl: right
[21:36] <fluvvell> 24th of June, world IPv6 day.  How ready are people for IPv6 testing?
[21:37] <bittin> fluvvell: that sounds awesome, maybe i should switch to IPv6 at home by then :p
[21:37] <fluvvell> bittin, I'm not even sure if my home router is configured for it!
[21:38] <bittin> i have a FON with OpenWRT so i think i can do it
[21:39] <nkv> Hello all.  I need to replace an outbound mailserver for the service provider I work for.  Back, 5 or so years ago I used Postfix to fill this role.  Is that still a fairly sane choice, or has something new and shiny come up and replaced it?  This has no local delivery, just queuing mail from authorized subnets and relaying it to external mail servers.
[21:40] <fluvvell> bittin, yeah mines more of just a gateway, the main routing is done by ubuntu server. Allocating addresses? Won't we need addresses allocated?
[21:44] <SpamapS> nkv: postfix is the preferred choice in ubuntu server as it is the one MTA in main
[21:44] <SpamapS> oops
[21:44] <SpamapS> I lied
[21:44] <SpamapS> nkv: rather, its the better one in main
[21:44]  * SpamapS didn't realize exim4 was in main
[21:46]  * nkv shudders... Exim.... :)
[21:48] <nkv> Ok... Well I figured a fairly solved problem like SMTP servers wouldn't have shifted much in the last 5 years.
[21:51] <patdk-lap> heh, when ever I install a package that needs mail
[21:51] <patdk-lap> ubuntu always recommends exim
[22:09] <kirkland> zul: yo
[22:10] <zul> kirkland: whats up?
[22:10] <kirkland> zul: just checking on the cobbler upload
[22:10] <zul> kirkland: im waiting for SpamapS
[22:10] <kirkland> zul: coolio
[22:17] <andreserl> kirkland: done! Monitors integrated. Though, need to update the packaging! but it is still testable without having to really install it
[22:18] <hallyn> all right, time to try an online ext4fs resize.  wish me luck
[22:19] <kirkland> andreserl: cool
[22:19] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, check with kees
[22:20] <kees> hallyn: wait wait
[22:20]  * hallyn waits
[22:20] <kees> hallyn: make *sure* you're running .37-12 or later
[22:20] <kees> otherwise it will _destroy_ your filesystem
[22:20] <hallyn> kees: 2.6.37-12-generic
[22:20] <hallyn> define destroy :)
[22:21] <kees> -12 you'll be fine. destroy, as in, fills the extended area with arbitrary bitmap entries and the fs starts writing all over the place
[22:21] <kees> as in, fsck CANNOT fix it in some cases.
[22:21] <hallyn> jinkeys
[22:22] <kees> I was extremely lucky in that I only destroy my apt mirror. easy to find the wrecked directories and files since there's a separate db of hashes to compare against :)
[22:22] <kees> *destroyed
[22:22] <hallyn> kees: funny thing is, i was doing this to make room for a btrfs partition to test a fast lxc-based schroot alternative to show you :)
[22:22] <kees> but -12 has ted's fixes
[22:22] <kees> haha
[22:22] <hallyn> kees: rockin', i'll do an extra rsync and then give it a shot then, thanks
[22:22] <kees> well, i'm certainly excited about that, but yeah, the online resize regress was scary :)
[22:22] <kees> cool
[22:22]  * hallyn goes to rsync
[22:27] <hallyn> drat: Filesystem at /dev/sda1 is mounted on /; on-line resizing required
[22:27] <hallyn> resize2fs: On-line shrinking not supported
[22:27]  * hallyn scratches his head and goes to look at the source
[22:28] <Grubulous> I have an ubuntu 10.04 server running on vmware and I notice that after 48 days of uptime the server appears to become unresponsive. I can ping it, but I cannot ssh in or access any other services (apache on 80, couchdb on 5984, etc). nothing seems amiss in the logs
[22:47] <ideaman> I have a basic networking question. How can I get from subnet to subnet?
[22:48] <nkv> That is the canonical job of a router.
[22:50] <nkv> ideaman: I was replying to you, in case it wasn't clear :)
[23:13] <AdamDV> I'm running Ubuntu 10.10. php5-gd is listed as installed. I'm getting "The function imageantialias() is not available in your PHP installation. Use the GD version that comes with PHP and not the standalone version." when using jpgraph. Any one wanna lend a hand?
[23:41] <Devo-Kun> AdamDV: did you just install php5-gd?
[23:41] <AdamDV> Yes.
[23:41] <Devo-Kun> AdamDV: did you restart Apache after install PHP-gd?
[23:42] <AdamDV> Yes. I'm not a noob. I think its because the maintainers dont want to use the gd version bundled with PHP and insist on using the ainstream one?
[23:45] <Devo-Kun> AdamDV: can you create a quick PHP script with the phpinfo function in it: <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[23:45] <Devo-Kun> Then paste the results of the GD section here
[23:48] <AdamDV> Yea one sec
[23:48] <AdamDV> http://pastebin.com/kSApU6VA
[23:50] <AdamDV> Devo-Kun: See above
[23:54] <Devo-Kun> Are you able to run the Examples?
[23:55] <AdamDV> hmm?
[23:55] <Devo-Kun> When I run the jpgraph examples I get font errors
[23:56] <skorv> can a usb printer be shared on ubuntu server for windows & linux clients using nothing but the console (using gui is easy, same as desktop)
[23:59] <Devo-Kun> AdamDV: http://paste.ubuntu.com/555596/


[18:26] <kdub> hola all!
[19:00] <bkerensa> hola
[20:54]  * bkerensa enjoys some tasty Molinari Salami imported from California :D