[00:13] <UnixDawg_> all updated
[00:24]  * bruce89 hopes MS aren't suing TomTom over the "map patent"
[00:25] <bruce89> oops, this isn't #osm
[00:36] <jscinoz-m1330> Hey
[00:39] <usser> hey
[00:39] <carlFK_lt> xserver-xorg-input-elographics: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:<IP_ADDRESS>5) but it is not going to be installed
[00:40] <carlFK_lt> why the @#$@ not?
[00:40] <usser> carlFK_lt, incomplete update? try running sudo apt-get update
[00:40] <usser> carlFK_lt, and after it sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:41] <carlFK_lt> did both
[00:41] <usser> what happens if you try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core
[00:41] <usser> that should give exact error
[00:42] <bruce89> xserver-xorg-core conflicts with xserver-xorg-input-2.1 (provided by xserver-xorg-input-elographics)
[00:42] <carlFK_lt>  apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core
[00:42] <carlFK_lt> xserver-xorg-core:  Installed: 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2-0ubuntu7
[00:43]  * DanaG wonders when ATI will release a new fglrx.
[00:43] <carlFK_lt> should't that satisfy >= 2:1.4 ?
[00:43] <usser> carlFK_lt, yea same error here
[00:43] <usser> carlFK_lt, maybe its not ready yet, its an alpha release not all packages are in consistent state
[00:44] <bruce89> looks like xserver needs inputs which provide -input-4, not older versions
[00:45] <DanaG> yay for freefall detection!
[00:45] <usser> yay for synaptics multitouch gestures
[00:45] <DanaG> And yay for 2.6.29 kernel packages (not actually on a PPA).... my suspend has never been so perfectly reliable, even in Windows.
[00:45] <DanaG> Boo for Synaptics locking OUT multi-finger detection on this laptop's touchpad.
[00:47] <bruce89> carlFK: the conflict was introduced on the 21st of January, with xorg-xserver 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1-1
[00:47] <bruce89> carlFK_lt: even
[00:47] <carlFK_lt> bruce89: is there anything I can do to help move this along?
[00:48] <bruce89> I don't know the reason, but I can only assume the driver wouldn't work, I suppose a bug could be filed for xserver-xorg
[00:48] <bruce89> but not just now, LP is being upgraded
[00:48] <carlFK_lt> heh
[00:49] <RAOF> Yes: the reason is that the driver wouldn't work.
[00:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I tried nouveau again the other day... and it was just as cpu-devouring as the last time I'd tried.
[00:51] <usser> DanaG, nah nouveau sucks, i really dont understand what all the fuss is about, nvidia is great when it comes to drivers, api's etc i mean look at cuda. What a godsend.
[00:51] <carlFK_lt> I have been using nouveau for over a month - seemed OK to me
[00:51] <carlFK_lt> usser: wen I use nvidia, if I unplug/plug in my firewire express card, the screen fills with a pretty pattern and my box hangs
[00:52] <usser> firewire express card? wow that is cool!
[00:52] <xxploit> anyone else getting a boot warning about synaptics being reset on resume?
[00:52] <carlFK_lt> i try the "dont do that" work around, and can't avoid it enough
[00:52] <usser> xxploit, yes thats normal
[00:53] <usser> xxploit, as is cpufreq: no nforce2 chipset detected, they will remove those warnings once its released
[00:53] <xxploit> ah ok thx for the headsup
[00:56] <carlFK_lt> if I don't have a gdm installed, but just xorg, whats the right way to restart X from an ssh shell?
[00:56] <carlFK_lt> "reboot" works. but I am sure there is better
[00:57] <usser> carlFK_lt, killall Xorg
[00:58] <carlFK_lt> thanks
[01:04] <carlFK_lt> http://dpaste.com/1626/  what is it using for "Adding input device Elo TouchSystems" so I can read docs and see what I can tweak?
[01:05] <carlFK_lt> cuz i think it is ignoring my MinX" "4061",  "MaxX" "51" (yeah, something whacky going on in general)
[01:07] <carlFK_lt> (EE) TouchScreen: No device specified. - guess thats a problem ...
[01:12] <snuffmeister> hey
[01:12] <snuffmeister> can't install jaunty
[01:12] <snuffmeister> installer doesn't open/work
[01:13] <snuffmeister> any ideas?
[01:13] <bruce89> which installer?
[01:13] <maco> live cd
[01:14] <bruce89> probably not a good idea to use that installer
[01:14] <bruce89> actually, what age is the CD
[01:15] <snuffmeister> solved in another channel, i guess
[01:15] <snuffmeister> cd is from one or 2 days ago, daily
[01:15] <snuffmeister> and it was broken
[01:15] <bruce89> ah
[01:15]  * bruce89 doesn't trust ubiquity anyway
[01:16] <snuffmeister> what are the disadvantages of upgrading against installing
[01:16] <snuffmeister> because i've got an image of ibex here
[01:17] <bruce89> upgrading can be problematic if you have any strange packages installed, or even if not
[01:17] <bruce89> mind, I've never had any issues
[01:18] <snuffmeister> i've always felt it leaves the computer full of junk
[01:18] <bruce89> that too, but I do my best to clean it
[01:18] <charlie-tca> Cd's from today work. yesterday and earlier may be broke
[01:21] <snuffmeister> yes, but ubuntu-devel says alpha5 comes out tomorrow afternoon
[01:22] <snuffmeister> so 've got mixed feelings about downloading the daily now
[01:22] <bruce89> och, it's going to be almost exactly the same
[01:22] <bruce89> and that's what rsync is fo
[01:23] <snuffmeister> rsync?
[01:23] <bruce89> !rsync
[01:24] <bruce89> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage
[01:29] <charlie-tca> That daily is the one that gets used if it passes all the testing
[01:29] <charlie-tca> If you install from it and run the updates, you have the alpha5 on your system
[01:30] <snuffmeister> wow
[01:30] <snuffmeister> rsync is possibly one of the best tools i've seen
[01:31] <bruce89> indeed, it's quite good for backups too
[02:17] <milk> how i can get wine in jaunty jackalope? i need .15
[02:19] <maco> isnt wine at 1.0?
[02:19] <bruce89> !info wine
[02:19] <milk> no it has 1.1.15
[02:20] <maco> oh i thought you were saying 0.15
[02:20] <maco> i was like "er...thats ancient"
[02:21] <bruce89> there never was a 0.15, the earliest with numbers was 0.9.0
[02:21] <milk> $ pulseaudio --version
[02:21] <milk> I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE.
[02:21] <milk> I: caps.c: Dropping root privileges.
[02:21] <milk> I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE.
[02:21] <milk> N: main.c: Called SUID root and real-time and/or high-priority scheduling was requested in the configuration. However, we lack the necessary privileges:
[02:21] <milk> N: main.c: We are not in group 'pulse-rt', PolicyKit refuse to grant us the requested privileges and we have no increase RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits.
[02:22] <milk> N: main.c: For enabling real-time/high-priority scheduling please acquire the appropriate PolicyKit privileges, or become a member of 'pulse-rt', or increase the RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits for this user.
[02:22] <milk> pulseaudio 0.9.14
[02:22] <milk> Feb 25 19:57:49 ubuntu kernel: [  103.707088] warning: `pulseaudio' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)
[02:26] <bruce89> !flood
[02:27] <milk> pulseaudio is broken in ubuntu
[02:27] <milk> its implemented by a monkey
[02:27] <milk> it does not integrate
[02:28] <bruce89> not this again
[02:28] <milk> the guy who put pulseaudio in ubuntu must read the documentation
[02:28] <milk> so he can put it correctly
[02:28] <milk> cuz he dont know how do it right
[02:29] <milk> that why it put errors on my log and tells bad things
[02:29] <milk> good bye!!
[02:29] <bruce89> eejit
[02:31] <dyf> hello
[02:32] <dyf> why doesn't ubuntu adapt one sound system and stick with it instead of 4 different systems conflicting with each other (alsa, esd, pulseaudio.. etc)?
[02:32] <bruce89> not you now
[02:33] <dyf> what?
[02:33] <bruce89> someone appeared here, ranted, then disappeared about 3 minutes ago
[02:35] <rww> dyf: they're trying to adopt Pulseaudio only, but people keep bitching about it.
[02:36] <dyf> rww: people wouldn't care as long as the sound works.. right now, it's pathetic.. each application screws up with sound
[02:37] <dyf> frequent crashes
[02:37] <dyf> everywhere
[02:37] <dyf> is this the case with ubuntu 8.10?
[02:37] <bruce89> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/123110/ if you're interested in the rant, it was rather fun
[02:38] <dyf> i'm not ranting.. just saying
[02:38] <xxploit> i always end up just removing pulseaudio
[02:38] <bruce89> yikes, the time on pastebin's wildly wrong
[02:39] <dyf> bruce89: that was an obvious rant
[02:40] <maco> hey how about you all stop and let me explain why pulse is breaking right now?
[02:41] <maco> this is a development release. breakage is expected. many of pulse's reasons for breaking are actually due to craptastic drivers. those driver bugs are most easily exposed with pulse, so by enabling some experimental things in pulse, we can all find out which drivers are utterly broken and those drivers can be fixed to perform all around better
[02:41] <maco> if the stuff cant be fixed by release, pulse will go back to the old, less experimental ways of usage
[02:42] <maco> but since the experimental ways also fix some bugs, it'll be a matter of figuring out, closer to release, which way has fewer bugs
[02:43] <maco> (obviously, right now experimental has more bugs, but people are working to fix that)
[02:44] <dtchen> too bad milk didn't read http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/2009/02/pulseaudio.html
[02:46] <dtchen> dyf: read the above link, please
[02:46] <maco> dtchen: you got a blog?!
[02:46] <bruce89> or http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2009/02/25/pulseaudio/
[02:47] <bruce89> http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2009/02/18/cutting-off-your-nose
[02:47] <bruce89> that list could go on
[02:47]  * maco snorts at filesystem-munching bugs
[02:47] <maco> dtchen: talking about 2 days ago, eh?
[02:49] <bruce89> I remember after the (Hardy?) beta tag, there was a bad update to libc which broke everything
[02:49] <dtchen> bruce89: yes, of course. that URL is from the perspective as the audio stack maintainer in Ubuntu.
[02:49] <maco> bruce89: dtchen's link isnt a complaint about pulse
[02:49] <maco> it's him telling us to suck it up and file bugs so he can fix it
[02:49] <bruce89> I know, I read it
[02:50] <maco> yes that was hardy, but libc wasnt the problme
[02:50] <dtchen> rather, we already know where the problems lie, but the fix is not straightforward, and we will have to break backward compatibility
[02:50] <maco> it was the compile flags
[02:50] <dyf> bruce89: he's not supposed to rant.. i mean he's using a development release.. he shouldn't be expecting it to work as if it was stable
[02:50] <dyf> that's just ignorant
[02:50] <maco> dtchen: so, will we be seeing you on Planet Ubuntu?
[02:50] <bruce89> dyf: no, clearly not
[02:50] <dyf> maco: do you think pulseaudio is mature enough to be included?
[02:51] <bruce89> I think that the whole "it's alpha" is a wee bit of an excuse in some cases
[02:52] <dyf> it can be
[02:52] <bruce89> things can be messed up in some non-critical, but big breaks shouldn't happend
[02:52] <maco> dyf: pulseaudio itself hasnt caused me any problems, but my realtek codec's suckiness does present problems when glitch-free is enabled
[02:52] <maco> problems in the form of sounding like my record player instead of my mp3 player
[02:53] <dtchen> maco: no. i'm not a member.
[02:53] <maco> dtchen: planet ubuntu users, then?
[02:53] <maco> you're not still in one of the development teams?
[02:54] <maco> cuz dont those give auto-membership?
[02:54] <dtchen> no, i resigned my upload privileges.
[02:54] <dyf> bruce89: did you read Fred's comment in your last link?
[02:54] <dyf> it's interesting
[02:55] <dtchen> i omitted the "it's just alpha; suck it up" bit, because that's *not* why pulseaudio is currently broken
[02:55] <dtchen> read my OLF presentation, then reread my blog post
[02:55] <bruce89> ich, blog comments are the lowest form of pondlife apart from Speak your branes
[02:56] <dyf> bruce89: don't look at who said it, look at what's been said
[02:56] <dtchen> the culprits lie in alsa-kernel and alsa-lib
[02:56] <dyf> i am reading the other links atm
[02:56] <dyf> just thought that comment had interesting opinion
[02:57] <bruce89> TBH, I don't know enough to have an opinion on this
[02:58] <maco> reading his presentation is easy....it's all pictures
[03:00]  * bruce89 hardly ever has any need for speakers
[03:01] <bruce89> actually, the only issues I've had with sound was back in Hoary
[03:08] <MrGoodkat_> will the alpha 5 have better support for intels psb cards?
[03:11] <maco> psb?
[03:11] <maco> audio, video, net...?
[03:12] <MrGoodkat_> sorry, video
[03:12] <ian1> MrGoodkat_: intel video works OK, what problems are you having?
[03:12] <MrGoodkat_> intels poulsbo is not supported
[03:12] <MrGoodkat_> like the intel gma500
[03:13] <MrGoodkat_> its intels video card for umpc's
[03:14] <MrGoodkat_> quote from wiki: "There is no sufficient driver support for the GMA 500. The driver wasn't developed in-house and will not work with kernels newer than 2.6.24. Newer distributions like Ubuntu 8.10 with a newer kernel will not work properly."
[03:15] <MrGoodkat_> so if im using 8.04 i could have graphic drivers (which according to ubuntu forums are not working properly) but no wifi, because the new atheros is not supported in 8.04
[03:16] <MrGoodkat_> and if i use >8.10 i have wifi but no graphics driver
[03:16] <MrGoodkat_> and vesa sucks
[04:08] <snuffmeister> heya
[04:09] <snuffmeister> uum, i just got today's daily live
[04:09] <snuffmeister> put it on a pen drive and booted from this
[04:09] <snuffmeister> install doesn't work
[04:09] <snuffmeister> never did on any jaunty try
[04:09] <snuffmeister> it doesn't even start, the first time there's actually a crash report
[04:10] <snuffmeister> i tried ubiquity from the console but nothing
[04:10] <snuffmeister> any ideas?
[04:22] <ian1> anyone seeing jitter in Firefox?
[04:23] <lws> Hey, question.   I can't get ath_pci to load at start
[04:23] <lws> modprobe ath_pci works fine however.
[04:23] <lws> I put ath_Pci in /etc/modules, and it still doesn't load at startup
[04:52] <lws> Anyone know why ath_pci won't load at startup despite not being blacklisted in modprobe.d
[04:52] <lws> ?
[04:52] <lws> and also being SPECIFIED in /etc/modules?
[04:53] <crdlb> did you blacklist ath5k?
[04:53] <crdlb> and check dmesg?
[04:54] <danbhfive> lws: maybe a leftover from intrepid?  Try installing linux-backports-modules
[04:59] <lws> crdlb: Yeah
[05:00] <lws> I blacklisted ath5k and I have backports, but not for this card
[05:00] <lws> I can modprobe ath_pci manually and all is well
[05:05] <lws> crdlb: You still around?  Or dnbhfive?
[05:06]  * crdlb has no idea
[05:06] <lws> I really wish that ath_pci would load. *sigh*
[05:07] <lws> maybe because of where it's at?
[05:59] <burner> anyone know how to get sound working in flash in firefox in kde?
[06:01] <burner> a ha, nevermind
[06:52] <z0d14k> I am running Jaunty and like it a lot.  I recently noticed a problem with my wireless.  My router is a dual radio.  I have 802.11b/g on 2.4GHz and 802.11n on 5GHz.  I used to use the 802.11n network for my laptop, but since going to Jaunty, I can't see the AP anymore, nor can I connect by manually specifying it.
[06:53] <z0d14k> I should probably also mention Intel WiFi Link 5300 in a Lenovo, fully updated, and booted into the latest kernel.  Any ideas?
[06:57] <matt__> kismet won't even see the AP.
[06:59] <z0d14k> Sorry.....  I should know better than to run kismet while connected....  That comment from matt__ about kismet not working was me.  /me feels like a n00b....
[07:18] <billybigrigger> maybe this kernel update will give my back my 5s on boot time
[08:21] <^law^> helo
[08:21] <flyapen> hi
[08:22] <^law^> anybody here can help me for installing db2 v8 in ubuntu ?
[08:24] <^law^> ?
[08:24] <flyapen> what problem do you have with it ?
[08:24] <^law^> i dunno how to install it
[08:26] <flyapen> wich version do you want to install .
[08:26] <^law^> v8.1 fixpack17
[08:27] <^law^> i've downloaded the source from ibm it contains a lot of rpm so confusing @@
[08:30] <scizzo-> flyapen: is this under jaunty or under intrepid?
[08:30] <flyapen> you can try to install alien to convert it to a deb
[08:31] <flyapen> scizzo: its law that has the problem
[08:31] <scizzo-> ooo
[08:31] <scizzo-> flyapen: yeah saw that now
[08:31] <scizzo-> ^law^: read what I asked flyapen
[08:31] <^law^> how do i know my ubuntu version ==''
[08:31] <^law^> i 4got
[08:32] <^law^> 8.04 or 8.10
[08:32] <scizzo-> ^law^: lsb_release -c
[08:32] <flyapen> join the ubuntu channel then, this is for the jaunty release
[08:33] <^law^> ok
[08:33] <^law^> thx
[09:39] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[09:39] <BUGabundo> dtchen: are you around ?
[09:39] <BUGabundo> maco: ping
[09:44] <scizzo-> morning
[09:45] <BUGabundo> hi scizzo-
[09:45] <BUGabundo> this seems calm today!
[09:46] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: yes it really does
[09:46]  * scizzo- got his first bug report approved yesterday for notify-osd at least
[09:46] <scizzo-> :P
[09:48] <tgpraveen> scizzo-: link for gub report?
[09:48] <tgpraveen> *bug
[09:49] <remoteCTR1> hi all!
[09:49] <BUGabundo> I've filed 4 by now
[09:49] <remoteCTR1> how can i actually upgrade from a standard release to the releasecandidates?
[09:49] <BUGabundo> and have a new one on the queue
[09:49] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: update-manager -d
[09:49] <scizzo-> !334226
[09:50] <scizzo-> gah
[09:50] <scizzo-> !bug 334226
[09:50] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: but PLEASE RTFM aka release notes, and techical overview
[09:50] <BUGabundo> nice scizzo-
[09:50] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: thanks man
[09:50] <BUGabundo> the spec says monitor with mouse
[09:50] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: if you need the links ping me
[09:50] <BUGabundo> one is already on /topic
[09:51] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: if you are not familiar with how to do that then I would suggest to try things out on a virtualbox session or the like
[09:51] <maco> BUGabundo: sorry, i'm working on homework
[09:51] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: but i think i will skip the reading stuff; my prob is i got a brand new imb t500 here and hw support for that is ... errr... well i guess you know what i wanna say...
[09:51] <BUGabundo> np maco.
[09:51] <BUGabundo> I was going to make you a kestion
[09:51] <BUGabundo> but it can wait
[09:51] <maco> you dont by any chance know how to get those cute little calendar widgets that you choose the date in java, do you? gtk has them built-in...
[09:51] <BUGabundo> kmail is having data corruption for me
[09:51] <BUGabundo> no I don't maco
[09:52] <BUGabundo> anybody else here using kmail ?
[09:52] <scizzo-> tgpraveen: 334226 that is the bug
[09:52] <tgpraveen> k
[09:54] <remoteCTR1> scizzo-: BUGabundo ok now you are making me suspicious, what is the problem with that, is it so tricky?
[09:54] <BUGabundo> ahhhh?
[09:54] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: no
[09:54] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: but the candidates can also break system.....they _SHOULD_ not break but they can
[09:55]  * BUGabundo $ pkill notify-osd
[09:55] <remoteCTR1> err i meant i am getting scizzo- well i am gonna risk that as i got nothing to loose
[09:56] <remoteCTR1> omg sry it is a bit late already...
[09:56] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: if you really want to upgrade then you need to read the topic of this channel
[09:56] <remoteCTR1> /msg NickServ identify j3rusalem
[09:56] <scizzo-> !upgrade
[09:56] <remoteCTR1> nice i think i am getting nuts:D
[09:56] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: good choice of password
[09:57] <scizzo-> :P
[09:57] <remoteCTR1> scizzo-: ok i got one more: how do i do that for kubuntu?
[09:57] <remoteCTR1> /msg NickServ identify j3rusalem
[09:57] <remoteCTR1> what the hell?:D
[09:58] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: I am sorry its not out of rudeness but out of actually helping you learn....you need to read the instructions for the upgrade
[09:58] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: nice knowing your password
[09:58] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: that is the stable upgrate wiki
[09:59] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: yaya i know, no idea why it writes it into the channel, theres no leading blank and nothing
[09:59] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: I am not going to help someone that has no idea of howto in the first sentence to upgrade to a alphaX or RCX release....
[09:59] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: ooo..
[09:59] <remoteCTR1> scizzo-: fair enuff, got a link for me pls?
[09:59] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: in the topic
[09:59] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: of this channel
[09:59] <BUGabundo> there are too links I recommend
[09:59]  * BUGabundo fetchs bookmarks
[10:00] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[10:00] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[10:00] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: the links that BUGabundo mentioned are the goodie ones
[10:01] <remoteCTR1> very nice guys, thanks so far
[10:01] <remoteCTR1> err.. one more question: how unstable do you consider it to be?
[10:02] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: for me jaunty works just fine
[10:03] <tgpraveen> ff 3.1 aint gonna be in 9.04 is it?
[10:03] <scizzo-> tgpraveen: as standard browser you mean?
[10:03] <remoteCTR1> scizzo-: pls dont laugh at me but my basic problem is i gotta deliver this laptop to a workmate, he needs it urgently (for productive purposes) and intrepid dont operate the hardware properly...
[10:04] <tgpraveen> as the default version of firefox
[10:04] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: I am not laughing... :)
[10:05] <remoteCTR1> scizzo-: thanks cos i am desperate:D
[10:05] <scizzo-> tgpraveen: hmmm firefox are still developming 3.1 aren't they?
[10:05] <tgpraveen> yeah but they are at beta3 or something
[10:05] <tgpraveen> and ff3 was included at these stages.
[10:05] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: no known yet! depends on mozilla working fast
[10:06] <BUGabundo> but 3.1 (and 3.2 and fennec) are available on PPAs
[10:06] <scizzo-> tgpraveen: well there are standalone packages for 3.1....its not the standard browser....
[10:06] <BUGabundo>  !info firefox-3.1
[10:06] <BUGabundo> !info firefox-3.1
[10:06] <BUGabundo> !package firefox-3.1
[10:07] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: ;)
[10:07] <tgpraveen> I upgraded from intrepid to jaunty and now in system->preferences->database access properties is addeed? what is this? why is it needed?
[10:07] <remoteCTR1> gosh fglrx doesnt work with alpha4
[10:07] <remoteCTR1> i am so doomed
[10:07] <BUGabundo> trunk versions are available on fta's, mozillateam, and daily-mozillateam PPAs
[10:07] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: PLEASE don't give a laptop with a DEVEL version to a friend/cowork
[10:08] <BUGabundo> that MAY not be used to or prepared to use a devel version
[10:08] <BUGabundo> file bugs on HW, and talk to kernel team about getting possible fixs backported
[10:08] <BUGabundo> you are better at testing the daily images, from CD or liveusb
[10:08] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[10:09] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: didn't even noticed it
[10:09] <tgpraveen>  I upgraded from intrepid to jaunty and now in system->preferences->database access properties is addeed? what is this? why is it needed?
[10:09] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: well i seriously dont want to, believe me, but the guy needs a working device and 8.10 doesnt recognize half of the hardware...
[10:09] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: a new ati driver has added a few days agao
[10:09] <BUGabundo> to fix many bugs and provide supppot for r6xxx/7xxx
[10:10] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: err.. on the link you gave me it says fglrx is not working in alpha 4?
[10:10] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: let me guess: SIS hw?
[10:10] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: alpha5 will be out shortly
[10:10] <BUGabundo> and you also have daily isos
[10:10] <remoteCTR1> nope its the wireless module mainly that gives me a headache and even the gigabit connection is not working as it should
[10:10] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: its quite rude to repete the question
[10:10] <BUGabundo> do you want to be ignored?
[10:11] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: can you pastebin the lspci -vv?
[10:11] <BUGabundo>  !paste
[10:11] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: yaya i am familiar whith that;) gimme a sec, pls
[10:12] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: you never know who is on the other side
[10:12] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: true, well i am a systems administrator:)
[10:14] <BUGabundo> I am one too... just without a current job :(
[10:14] <BUGabundo> do you need one extra guy?
[10:14] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: here we go: http://nopaste.org/p/aVD0Mc1YL
[10:14] <BUGabundo> fluent on foss and MSFT (grrr)
[10:14] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: where u @ home?
[10:15]  * BUGabundo would like to recommend !pastebinit .... its great and its on archive
[10:15] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: Portugal. you ?
[10:15] <remoteCTR1> austria
[10:15] <remoteCTR1> guess that answers the question*g*
[10:15] <BUGabundo> Subsystem: Lenovo Device 20ee
[10:15] <BUGabundo> hummm it should be FULLY supported
[10:16] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: sorry to hear about not having a job... whats the problem, it specialists are always required somewhere, right?
[10:16] <BUGabundo> if I were u, I would file a bug, and nag Leann on IRC
[10:16] <BUGabundo> maybe it just needs a quirk
[10:16] <BUGabundo> e1000e
[10:16] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:16] <BUGabundo> found your prob
[10:16] <remoteCTR1> did you?
[10:17] <BUGabundo> enable backports, and install the kernel you have there
[10:17] <BUGabundo> and the backports module!
[10:17] <BUGabundo> it fixed e1000e bugs
[10:17] <remoteCTR1> cos i tryed out lenny before and that wouldnt accept e1000e -.-
[10:17] <BUGabundo> there was this BIG bug that corrupted some of those cards
[10:17] <BUGabundo> hi gnomefreak guud morning
[10:17] <remoteCTR1> oh rly??
[10:17] <BUGabundo> yep
[10:17] <BUGabundo> it was a mess.
[10:17] <BUGabundo> it was close to release
[10:18] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: good morning
[10:18] <remoteCTR1> as a matter of fact it IS a mess o'er here:D
[10:18] <BUGabundo> and got everyone, I mean EVERYONE on their thoes to get that fix
[10:18] <BUGabundo> some subsystems only got fixed POST release
[10:18] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo:  that is interesting to hear, when di that happen?
[10:18] <BUGabundo> please get the newest kernel
[10:18] <remoteCTR1> cos i installed it like 2 months ago?
[10:18] <BUGabundo> from backports
[10:19] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: right around ibex release
[10:19] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: err.. i heard the term before but actually i have never used backports, is there a howto on that?
[10:19] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: then it oughta be fixed by now, shouldn't it??
[10:19] <BUGabundo> Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100
[10:19] <BUGabundo> that should be also FULLY supported
[10:20] <BUGabundo>  !repositories
[10:20] <BUGabundo>  !backports
[10:20] <BUGabundo> the bot knows it all ehehehehe
[10:20] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: most systems got fixed BEFORE release
[10:20] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: should, well... it does work but it doesnt
[10:21] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: as said i installed this like in december...
[10:21] <BUGabundo> but a few only post release, that's why I'm asking you to install the the kernel and the backport module
[10:21] <remoteCTR1> mhm, i see
[10:21] <BUGabundo> IF that doesn't fix it, then file bugs
[10:22] <BUGabundo> kernel team tends to be fast (at least on bug, not on IRC, lol)
[10:22] <BUGabundo> but I bet your memory card reader doesn't work
[10:22] <BUGabundo> its a ricoch
[10:23] <Rafik> hi, the items when you select sessions in gdm are not readable (dark grey on black) : http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4940/screenshot26.png
[10:24] <Rafik> is a bug report needed ?
[10:24] <remoteCTR1> hahaha
[10:24] <remoteCTR1> you won the bet
[10:24] <remoteCTR1> uhuh i see you just add the repos
[10:24] <BUGabundo> Rafik: I let it to the artwork team to decide! fire it way
[10:24] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: what?
[10:25] <BUGabundo> Rafik: uau... that looks ugly
[10:25] <BUGabundo> lamego: tas bom joao?
[10:26] <Rafik> BUGabundo> yeah.. otherwise, the other menus are ok
[10:26] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: what what?
[10:27] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: you won the bet
[10:27] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: uhuh i see you just add the repos
[10:28] <remoteCTR1> ya i was recherching on how to enable backports and i saw that you just add the repositories to sourcces.list and that should already do the trick
[10:30] <remoteCTR1> and you said you bet that the ricoh card reader isnt working, and i said you won the bet
[10:31] <BUGabundo> no need for that
[10:32] <BUGabundo> its already there! just need to activate it from the sources manager, remoteCTR1
[10:32] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: which probably dioes the same job...
[10:33]  * remoteCTR1 is installing 295MB
[10:34] <remoteCTR1> gawd how i hate kde
[10:40] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: clean your mouth!
[10:40] <BUGabundo> they do a great job!
[10:40] <BUGabundo> and I've met personaly 16 of them
[10:40] <BUGabundo> and had the pleasure of organizing a summit right here in Portugal for them
[10:41] <BUGabundo> 5 days @ Tokamak
[10:45] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: not speaking about quality i just prefer gnome over kde but our institutes poilcy is to use kde so i HAD to install kubuntu here and i just dont find anything here
[10:45] <remoteCTR1> like you got network settings in the system settings menu but there is no way to set an ip adress in there
[10:46] <BUGabundo> I like gnome desktop best
[10:46] <BUGabundo> but I really like many KDE apps
[10:46] <BUGabundo> plus 4.2 is lovelly (but I still prefer gnome)
[10:46] <BUGabundo> but I have to admit that being stuck with those guys and galls for 5 days, and see how they work, and their specs
[10:47] <remoteCTR1> ok guys have you changed my password?:D
[10:47] <BUGabundo> makes one really wonder
[10:47] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: I didn't
[10:48] <remoteCTR1> well i guess knowing those dudes is great and they definitely have my full respect for what they achieve, yet still i am having a hard time in befriending kde...
[10:48] <BUGabundo> is ANYONE having sound work on jaunty?
[10:48] <BUGabundo> I dont since last week
[10:48] <cumulus007> hi, what's the command of Cruft Remover?
[10:48] <cumulus007> BUGabundo: sound works fine here, at least on KDE
[10:48] <cumulus007> on GNOME, it's horrible
[10:48] <d1g1t> computer-janitor-gtk?
[10:48] <maco> its pulseaudio
[10:48] <maco> a bug has been filed
[10:48] <maco> dtchen and themuso know about it
[10:49] <cumulus007> d1thanks
[10:49] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: ok NOW i got network settings after the upgrade but if i click it it says error: could not parse the XML file ()
[10:50] <BUGabundo> cumulus007: KDE uses phone.... not PA
[10:51] <cumulus007> phone?
[10:51] <cumulus007> phono?
[10:51] <BUGabundo> maco: do you have the ID?
[10:51] <cumulus007> n
[10:51] <BUGabundo> all I find are old and dupes
[10:51] <flyapen> audio in gnome is working fine with me
[10:51]  * BUGabundo is sad!!!
[10:52] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: jump on #ubuntu-mozillateam and chat with asac
[10:52] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: humm i just found another way to configure that and that is via the applet in the taskbar
[10:53] <remoteCTR1> which - phunny enuff - opens a completely different dialog
[10:53] <BUGabundo> maco: that wiki to collect audio cards, can it be run from my current system, or does it need to be LiveCD ?
[10:53] <maco> it just has to be a jaunty system
[10:53] <maco> no i dont know bug numbers, i just know that dtchen and themuso are definitely aware of the issue
[10:54] <maco> its possible a bug's not filed, but im pretty sure one of them has to at least open one so the changelog can say it's fixing something
[10:54] <BUGabundo> running now
[10:54] <maco> BUGabundo: dtchen mentioned it in his blog http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/2009/02/pulseaudio.html
[10:54] <BUGabundo> thanks
[10:54] <maco> oh and here's the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/330814
[10:54] <BUGabundo> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=7d8f81d791b7e9a64e570ddcf173252342db3b2a
[10:55] <maco> put the link on the wiki, dont give it to me
[10:55] <BUGabundo> doing so now
[10:59] <BUGabundo> maco: added!
[10:59] <BUGabundo> everyone else, add your https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfoOutput
[11:07] <lamego> BUGabundo, tou
[11:10] <BUGabundo> fazes bem
[11:20]  * BUGabundo YAY just got a call back, from a company interested on scheduling a job interview.
[11:20] <BUGabundo> remoteCTR1: it seems talking to you gave me extra luck
[11:21] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: why is that?
[11:21] <humpback> Hello all. In Jaunty what is the correct way to configure networking? I installed yesterday from CD and manually started knetworkmanager. I then configured my wireless and it was working. I updated the system and now I can only have networking using cable. And knetworkmanager will never auto-start.
[11:22] <humpback> (kubuntu Jaunty)
[11:22] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: ah i see! congratulations, dude, wish you the best for your interview!
[11:23] <BUGabundo> humpback: KDE network manager is broke!
[11:23] <BUGabundo> needs a all lot of love
[11:24] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: its a feature... haha ;)
[11:25] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: ROFL
[11:25] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: its the new move towards twm you know... haha
[11:30] <scizzo-> I just have a random question.....out of nowhere....anyone else but me that feels the keybinding/hotkey features are lacking a bit of easy usage?
[11:31] <BUGabundo> +1
[11:31] <remoteCTR1> all right im starting to get really P*** here...
[11:32] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: really?
[11:32] <remoteCTR1> BUGabundo: to whom do i talk about the following: if i edit the connection settings in this taskbar applet and want to save the settings it just does not save it
[11:33] <remoteCTR1> i tell it where to find the certificates, i input a password, i reopen the settings -> all gone
[11:33] <remoteCTR1> what the frack??
[11:33] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: jaunty?
[11:33] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: or intrepid?
[11:34] <remoteCTR1> intrepid
[11:34] <remoteCTR1> kubuntu
[11:34] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: wrong channel to ask
[11:34] <bazhang> #kubuntu
[11:34] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: this channel is for jaunty questions
[11:35] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: follow what bazhang said you will be able to get better answers there...
[11:37] <remoteCTR1> scizzo-: basically i am aware of that but i started here by asking how to upgrade to jaunty, one word lead to another and BUGabundo helped me alot so far with the backports hint asf aso
[11:38] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: I understand that...
[11:38] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: but asking in a channel where 95% is using the same system might help a little more....
[11:38] <BUGabundo> hey remoteCTR1 np!
[11:38] <scizzo-> remoteCTR1: don't you agree? ;)
[11:38] <BUGabundo> if you wanted help with gnomes NM I would point asac
[11:39] <BUGabundo> but since its knm, I have no idea how works with it
[11:39] <BUGabundo> maybe ridell knows
[11:41] <remoteCTR1> scizzo-: sure do
[11:45] <remoteCTR1> allright guys, thanks alot so far for your help
[11:45] <remoteCTR1> see ya along:)
[11:57] <slytherin> Can anyone running jaunty please do some testing with DVD playing?
[11:58] <IntuitiveNipple> What kind of DVD? regular video? any particular player app?
[11:58] <BUGabundo> slytherin: no DVD here
[11:59] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: regular video DVD, totem (gstreamer) or vlc will do. I just need to check if latest libdvdread is working fine.
[12:00] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... Trying "28 days later"
[12:01] <IntuitiveNipple> ..."searching for plugins..."
[12:01] <IntuitiveNipple> "! No packages with the required plug-ins found"
[12:02] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: Can you manually install gstreamer plugins? I am not sure how good that auto plugin finder works. I am not involved in that part.
[12:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Which libdvdread should it be? v3 or v4 ?
[12:03] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: 4.
[12:04] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: Both gstreamer plugins and vlc depend on 4 now
[12:04] <IntuitiveNipple> ok. apt-cache policy showed me both aren't installed
[12:08] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: installing gstreamer plugins should pull proper version
[12:08] <IntuitiveNipple> OK. Totem doesn't want to play even with libdvdread4 installed, so installing VLC now
[12:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Any idea of the precise package-name to get those?
[12:09] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: yes, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bas and gstreamer0.10-plugnis-ugly
[12:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks. vlc is totally borked... the menu-bar looks like braille!
[12:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Totem now trying to do something...
[12:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Grrr! "Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because it does not have the appropriate plugins"
[12:11] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
[12:12] <IntuitiveNipple> This is fun :) Instead of installing all the packages that were in the previous release installs I am installing Just In Time ... so many packages!
[12:13] <IntuitiveNipple> That's a medibuntu package isn't it?
[12:13] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: yes.
[12:13] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, best add the repo then :)
[12:14] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: you can try - sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[12:14] <BUGabundo> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[12:14] <BUGabundo> this is a great way
[12:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got it
[12:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Still no joy with Totem.
[12:16] <slytherin> My mistake, the install-css.sh script is missing from the package :-(
[12:16] <IntuitiveNipple> VLC seems to be doing something... it's playing something although very badly
[12:17] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: what do you mean by very badly?
[12:17] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: garbled screen?
[12:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Stuttering, flickering screen. But as I said, VLC's windows had no text fonts, looked like braille, all GUI components looked corrupted
[12:19] <IntuitiveNipple> totem --debug doesn't reveal anything about what's missing
[12:19] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: Ok. Now I am not aware of that problem.
[12:20] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: Can you please try one more command - gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=dvd://
[12:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Sure
[12:22] <IntuitiveNipple> http://paste.ubuntu.com/123272/
[12:22] <IntuitiveNipple> I'll try another disc just-in-case
[12:23] <IntuitiveNipple> OK, "Ice Age" plays apparently fine.
[12:24] <IntuitiveNipple> http://paste.ubuntu.com/123273/
[12:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Totem is playing it OK too
[12:26] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: Ok. So that means it is not broken completely. It also means that there is some other problem on my machine. :-)
[12:26] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: Thanks for all your help.
[12:27] <IntuitiveNipple> VLC screenshot here: http://tjworld.net/ubuntu/bugs/vlc/
[12:44] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: something wrong with VLC installation.
[12:44] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: by the way, did you see the DVD menu in totem?
[12:44]  * IntuitiveNipple thinks
[12:44] <IntuitiveNipple> I can't remember!
[12:47] <slytherin> IntuitiveNipple: anyway, thanks for help.
[12:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Just checked... no, no menu; straight into the movie... got caught up in it :)
[12:54] <GeForce88> i'm trying to enable twinview  on a geforce 8800 gts and when i click apply i get " failed to set metamode (2) 'crt-0:1024x768 @1024X768 +0 +0, crt-1: nvidia-auto-select @ 1-24x768 + 1024+0' (mode 2048x748, id: 53) on X screen 0
[12:55] <GeForce88> is twin view not the dual monitor option of ubuntu ?
[13:00] <IntuitiveNipple> "1-24x768" ??
[13:00] <IntuitiveNipple> Was that a typo or a copy/paste ?
[13:01] <GeForce88> that should be a 0
[13:01] <GeForce88> was a typo
[13:01] <IntuitiveNipple> okay, you didn't copy/paste the error message then?
[13:01] <GeForce88> it was in the little pop up box. no. i typed it out
[13:02] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... that solves the obvious observations then
[13:02] <GeForce88> is twin view not the *nix version of dual monitors ?
[13:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, for all monitors on one screen, that is correct.
[13:03] <IntuitiveNipple> I use multiple X screens instead
[13:03] <GeForce88> so when i enable seperate screens, it shuts off the primary one, and enables the secondary one.
[13:04] <GeForce88> i had it working under 8.10 so i wonder if it's something i'm doing
[13:04] <siegie> GeForce88: have you tried running xrandr in terminal.
[13:04] <GeForce88> just did.
[13:04] <siegie> and then run nvidia-settings
[13:04] <GeForce88> shows one screen, but i want to have seperatly configured monitors
[13:05] <siegie> Detect screens?
[13:06] <GeForce88> both monitors show up in the window, when i click twinview i get that error, when i click seperate X screen it disables 1st monitor and enables 2nd monitor.
[13:07] <GeForce88> could it be because theres no 'xorg.conf' for the nvidia-settings' to write too ?
[13:08] <GeForce88> cause if i try to save the file the error is can not parse file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:08] <siegie> GeForce88: there is still a xorg.conf
[13:09] <siegie> GeForce88: are you running nvidia-settings with sudo/gksudo
[13:10] <GeForce88> siegie, if i may, VALIDATION ERROR:  Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[13:10] <GeForce88> Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[13:10] <GeForce88> this is a fresh install with all current updates installed.
[13:11] <siegie> there is still that bug, that you need to run xrandr everytime you make a change in nvidia-settings
[13:12] <GeForce88> so this is known, ok, good, then it's not me forgetting somethign simple
[13:16] <siegie> GeForce88: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/325115
[13:17] <GeForce88> ok. guess this is why it's called alpha. :)
[13:18] <siegie> If you're running alpha, you must a least know where to find the bug reports :)
[13:20] <GeForce88> to be honest i was hoping it was me forgetting to enable something and not a bug
[13:23] <GeForce88> siegie, one last thing, how do i make it give me the icon in system tools like it did in 8.10 ? (nvidia-settings)
[13:24] <siegie> maybe you could enable it using the menu editor, (but i'm running kde
[13:25] <GeForce88> thanks for your time.
[13:31] <Pihhan1> hello
[13:32] <Pihhan1> is it normal that jaunty does not start xserver for me?
[13:36] <Klanticus> hi ppl, I've just installed the robot-player package, but I can't run it. It's complaining the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt could not be found. Where is this file?
[13:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Pihhan1: Assuming you installed the -desktop flavour, no it isn't normal (unless you started the Recovery option)
[13:37] <Pihhan1> no, i started normal version
[13:37] <Pihhan1> IntuitiveNipple: ah, you are vaio user, aren't you?
[13:38] <IntuitiveNipple> I am
[13:38] <Pihhan1> IntuitiveNipple: does work headphones switch in jaunty in your model?
[13:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Klanticus: I suspect what it is looking for is "/usr/share/X11/rgb.txt" in the package "x11-common"
[13:39] <Pihhan1> i dont hear anything without module configuration
[13:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Pihhan1: I've not tested it
[13:40] <Klanticus> IntuitiveNipple: I don't have this file.
[13:40] <Klanticus> IntuitiveNipple: the package x11-common is installed
[13:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Klanticus: sorry; I was looking at Intrepid
[13:42] <IntuitiveNipple> It was removed. see LP: bug #300935
[13:44] <Pihhan1> can i somehow display what processes use some module? i want remove snd-hda-intel, but i get only FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.
[13:44] <Pihhan1> i tried muting and killing pulseaudio, still it is in use by something
[13:46] <IntuitiveNipple> try 'stopping' the alsa service, maybe?
[13:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Pihhan1: Just tested headphones here; works correctly
[13:53] <Pihhan1> IntuitiveNipple: have you changed anything in default install? it does not work for me
[13:54] <Pihhan1> alsa service is not there, sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils does not help, still the same
[13:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Pihhan1: nothing changed regarding the module that I can think of.
[13:57] <Pihhan1> i had to use model=vaio parameter in hardy, but i am not able to try it in live session, as i cannot remove module
[13:57] <Pihhan1> i will try reboot, maybe it will work better
[13:59] <Pihhan1> huh, where is some logout or reboot when i start Xorg using startx?
[14:04] <alkisg_> Using kubuntu 9.04, I see kdm, I login, and then I get a blank screen. X runs ok though; I can use XAUTHORITY/IDSPLAY to launch programs on this blank screen, and I can resize the windows I start this way. So something is not running, what would that be? kdeinit?
[14:08] <GeForce88> what happens if you type : 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' ?
[14:08] <GeForce88> oh wait, your not using gnome. soryr
[14:09] <alkisg_> GeForce88: should I try with "kdm start"?
[14:09] <GeForce88> if thats the kde way of starting it's disply manager.
[14:10] <alkisg_> I do see kdm, and I logon normally; but after that something doesn't run, so I just see a blank screen
[14:11] <GeForce88> can you opt to a login prompt from the 'blank' screen ? ie: alt+ctrl + f2 ?
[14:11] <alkisg_> GeForce88: Yes, I did that, and I set DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY and I got an xterm inside this blank screen
[14:12] <alkisg_> And I run quassel (irc client) and konqueror, everything runs OK, I just don't see the background / panels etc
[14:12] <alkisg_> After gdm gets the username/password from the user and authenticates, what program does it run next?
[14:12] <GeForce88> i wouldn't have a clue.
[14:13] <alkisg_> Thanks for your try, though... :)
[14:16] <Lunks> Alpha 4 already? hmmm =)
[14:50] <hanasaki> what package needs to be installed for jaunty 64 bit to play flash youtube.com in firefox?
[14:51] <SiDi> flashplugin-nonfree ?
[14:51] <hanasaki> its isntalled already :(
[14:51] <hanasaki> either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player
[14:52] <TheInfinity> hanasaki: installed gnash or something like this, too?
[14:52] <hanasaki> let me try
[14:52] <scizzo-> or check noscript if that is allowing the stream
[14:53] <Lunks> Should I expect Alpha 5 today? :)
[14:53] <hanasaki> hmm should that be needed if I have teh nonfree? never used it in intrepid 32bit
[14:53] <scizzo-> which one?
[14:53] <hanasaki> huh?
[14:54] <hanasaki> TheInfinity:  no dice... gnash installed but no plugins playing
[14:54] <TheInfinity> hanasaki: you dont need gnash, but gnash + adobe flash = conflicts. thats why i ask :)
[14:54] <scizzo-> Lunks: if its ready and they have done the ISOs then yes
[14:54] <hanasaki> ah lol guess I shouldnt have installed it
[14:57] <Lunks> scizzo-: well, it's scheduled
[14:58] <GeForce88> those of us with 4 shoulld be able to udate via the package manage then ?
[14:58] <SiDi> hanasaki: i personally would remove any gnash/flash/mozilla-swfdec or whatever (with purge option), and then install flashplugin-nonfree
[14:58] <SiDi> it *should* work
[15:04] <Lunks> GeForce88: you are actually running alpha 4 until you update some package, then it's not specifically alpha 4 anymore. :P
[15:07] <aboSamoor1> ok, I upgraded to jaunty I had many errors :( where can I find the log for the errors ?
[15:08] <Pici> What sort of errors?
[15:10] <aboSamoor1> certificates-ca problems and many others [I am not sure]
[15:12]  * scizzo- is wondering how aboSamoor1 upgraded
[15:12] <scizzo-> GeForce88: if you are updated with the latest packages then you are already on alpha5.....
[15:14] <aboSamoor1> scizzo-: I just upgraded from intrepid, I want your help. Because nothing is working
[15:14] <aboSamoor1> I can here sound anymore
[15:14] <scizzo-> aboSamoor1: yes but...._HOW_
[15:14] <aboSamoor1> can not*
[15:14] <scizzo-> aboSamoor1: I mean did you do update-manager -d or how did you do it?
[15:15] <aboSamoor1> scizzo-: I am still not that expert. I got many messages and I am just asking how can I find them, so I know what type of problems I am facing :)
[15:16] <scizzo-> aboSamoor1: you can check in /var/log/dpkg.log
[15:16] <scizzo-> aboSamoor1: I think
[15:17] <scizzo-> aboSamoor1: /var/log/ should contain all the logs needed for that purpose at least
[15:17] <hggdh> aboSamoor1, most system messages will be stored under /var/log
[15:17] <GeForce88> scizzo-, as far as i know all my updates are current
[15:17] <scizzo-> GeForce88: then there you go... :)
[15:18] <GeForce88> in fact, i've only got the one bug thats been identifyed with xserver and nvidia. everything else seems to work ok
[15:18] <Pici> !final
[15:18] <GeForce88> compiz is a bit tricky in setting up plugins
[15:20] <scizzo-> compiz + xserver upgrade == very crazy most of the time
[15:21] <GeForce88> yes, alot of little bugs and things not working exactly like they should, but, all the fun of alpha software
[15:21] <aboSamoor1> scizzo-: I used update-manager -d
[15:22] <GeForce88> aboSamoor1, when i upgraded, the setting for volume were off and muted. did you check to see if your levels were all the way down ?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> guys please seed the alpha CD release
[15:25] <shadeslayer> im getting only 1.1 kBps
[15:25] <scizzo-> shadeslayer: the alpha 4?
[15:25] <aboSamoor1> GeForce88: it is not muted and it is not working
[15:26] <shadeslayer> the one released yesterday i think
[15:26] <shadeslayer> yup alpha 4
[15:27] <GeForce88> aboSamoor1,  what about right clicking your speaker icon, selecting preferances, and changing audio device ?
[15:28] <SiDi> shadeslayer: upload more and you'll download more, tho :p
[15:28] <shadeslayer> still stuck at 10 kBps
[15:28] <scizzo-> shadeslayer: I am getting it in 1.1Mbit/s
[15:29] <SiDi> Well, if you'ld be kind enough to mail thhe person managing my network and ask for a few ports and a nat static redirection i'd be very pleased to seed, shadeslayer :)
[15:29] <shadeslayer> :) well i have downloaded only 20 ps
[15:29] <CosmiChaos> hello
[15:29] <shadeslayer> *pc
[15:29] <shadeslayer> scizzo-: :O
[15:29] <scizzo-> shadeslayer: where did you fetch the torrent?
[15:29] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:29] <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-4/jaunty-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent
[15:29] <CosmiChaos> sometimes when i open up new windows (compiz and nvidia) all windows turn white, only the boarders are left, then i click on my startmenu and everything got back, any solutions for this whitescreen bug?
[15:30] <shadeslayer> i can run that on a vbox right???
[15:30] <SiDi> shadeslayer: check your router for nat-pmp / upnp support, or for a correct port redirection. you usually get this kind of speed with a dialup connection xD
[15:30] <GeForce88> i downloaded the alpha 4 from the ubuntu download site via http @ over 400 kbps
[15:30] <shadeslayer> well my download maxes at 19 kBps
[15:30] <SiDi> shadeslayer: on a vbox i'm not sure other clients can reach you. and if they cant they wont upload to you
[15:30] <shadeslayer> 128kbps connection
[15:30] <SiDi> shadeslayer: what about your upload rate ? is it 0 ?
[15:30] <CosmiChaos> try bittorrent always downloading latest lpha with full speed
[15:31] <shadeslayer> XD well i cant afford that type of a connection,nor can my ISP provide it
[15:31] <CosmiChaos> on 16Mbit DSL
[15:31] <shadeslayer> SiDi: yeah
[15:31] <shadeslayer> but downloading at 16kBps
[15:32] <SiDi> shadeslayer: don't download from a VM then :) you're at dialup mode cause other peers cant contact you
[15:32] <shadeslayer> SiDi: im on xfce right now,actual install
[15:32] <shadeslayer> i was asking if i can run the alpha 4 on the Vbox
[15:32] <shadeslayer> the torrent pasted above
[15:33] <SiDi> ah ok
[15:33] <SiDi> then its your network configuration that sucks :P
[15:33] <CosmiChaos> sometimes when i open up new windows (compiz and nvidia) all windows turn white, only the boarders are left, then i click on my startmenu and everything got back, any solutions for this whitescreen bug?
[15:33] <SiDi> check that your input connection port is open on your router and redirected to your PC, and check if upnp / natpmp is enabled in your router, shadeslayer
[15:34] <shadeslayer> SiDi: can i run that alternate install CD to install a fresh copy on my vbox
[15:35] <SiDi> shadeslayer: yeh
[15:36] <shadeslayer> sorry for thay
[15:36] <shadeslayer> *that
[15:37] <shadeslayer> so can i install a fresh copy from the alternate CD??
[15:40] <SiDi> Yes you can
[15:42] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:42] <shadeslayer> thanks
[16:34] <mifritscher> hi
[16:41] <tgpraveen> hi mifritscher
[17:20] <milk> is the new GDM theme a joke or something?
[17:20] <milk> it is horrible
[17:20] <milk> who approved that? i dont think anyone could have voted on that
[17:20] <milk> that would never be approved at apple or microsoft, its just too horrible
[17:20] <danbhfive> whats wrong with it?
[17:21] <milk> most people are using LCD monitors these days, and since its black background, you see a lot of backbleeding
[17:21] <milk> and it looks like it was made by a 12 year old
[17:22] <milk> it doesnt look pretty
[17:22] <milk> compare it with the login screen at Vista
[17:22] <danbhfive> Ill have to check it out
[17:22] <ripps> Meh... who cares about gdm. I just autologon past it. What I want to see is a really good gtk theme.
[17:22] <milk> or even the old GDM theme was better
[17:22] <danbhfive> ripps: hehe, you just reminded me that I do that too.
[17:24] <milk> well by default ubuntu does not, and GDM gives a horrible first impression of amateurism or nepotism
[17:26] <danbhfive_jaunty> heh, for some reason, my autologin got nixed.  So, I got to check it out!!  I don't have any problem with a black screen + LCD myself.  It does look more sleek and it matches usplash
[17:34] <hanasaki> what is the status of beagle  in +1?
[17:57] <ripps> Doesn't ubuntu use Tracker instead of beagle?
[17:57] <maco> yes
[17:57] <maco> nowadays, it should
[18:01] <ripps> Has anybody noticed any python apps acting weird lately. I use the python app GrNotify (Google Reader Notifier) since Intrepid. It work fine after I upgraded to Jaunty well over a week ago. But only last couple days has it been acting weird.
[18:01] <maco> python 2.6 was just added
[18:01] <maco> its probably incompatible
[18:04] <ripps> Is there some way to force the app to use 2.5 instead of 2.6? They're both installed right?
[18:07] <funkyHat> I like the new GDM theme :)
[18:09] <ripps> I think I figured it out. Just replace the first line "#! /usr/bin/python" with "#! /usr/bin/python2.5"
[18:10] <maco> is that a packge in the repos?
[18:10] <maco> ripps: ^
[18:11] <ripps> yes, I believe that grnotify is apart of the Jaunty repos. Intrepid, I had to use a PPA.
[18:12] <ripps> maco: ^
[18:13] <maco> hrm...checking with rmadison
[18:13] <maco> i assume the package name is grnotify
[18:13] <maco> ok yeah it is. file a bug saying it needs to explicitly call python 2.5
[18:13] <maco> and depend on python 2.5
[18:13] <maco> the package currently says >= 2.5, but i guess it should be =
[18:14] <hggdh> :n
[18:14] <ripps> maco: I've already opened a bug about it's flakyness, I just add that it was because of python2.6.
[18:14] <hggdh> darn! Sorry
[18:23] <slabbeh> Hi, do we know if Jaunty (9.04) will be shipped with Gnome 3 (2.3)?
[18:25] <Pici> slabbeh: No. It will ship with 2.26. 2.3 isn't even close to release iirc.
[18:25] <slabbeh> Cool thanks
[18:47] <thebishop> is it looking like Intel drives will support DRI2 in Jaunty?
[18:48] <maco> thebishop: it will be disabled by default
[18:48] <maco> but you can enable it
[18:49] <maco> though it may have side effects...like X crashing on suspend if using a compositing window manager
[18:49] <maco> (that's bug is for i965)
[19:01] <CarlFK> I am installing u-server - I need to test touch screen drivers, so I need X to come up and let me move the mouse around.  what package will give me that ?
[19:01] <CarlFK> (trying to avoid the time it takes to install u-desktop)
[19:02] <deepb_> !timeline
[19:02] <danbhfive> !schedule
[19:02] <deepb_> danbhfive: thanks!
[19:02] <danbhfive> np
[19:03] <fosco__> is alpha5 out?
[19:03] <danbhfive> carlFK maybe one or all of the xserver-xorg-input packages?
[19:04] <danbhfive> carlFK probably just the one that has the touch screen drivers
[19:05] <CarlFK> danbhfive: I have been using "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" in an ssh shell - I won't have that,right?
[19:06] <CarlFK> it's a pretty small screen, so much easier to do the edits from my normal box, and reach over poke the screen when I need to
[19:07] <danbhfive> carlFK um, I don't know.  Isnt gdm part of gnome?    I've actually installed xserver without gnome.  Its super basic.  It just starts a terminal and a mouse I believe
[19:07] <IntuitiveNipple> startx should get it moving :)
[19:08] <CarlFK> yeah - just fuzzy on how to restart it each time I tweek xorg.conf
[19:08] <danbhfive> I was thinking that installing the driver would draw in the xorg-xserver package, but maybe not.  You need that.      And then yeah, startx
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Which touchscreen driver are you using?
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> The Elo right?
[19:08] <lanoxx-> hi, im wondering, what is the meaning of "Fix Commited" in Launchpad? and how long does it take from the point where a fix was commited until it appears as an update in update manager?????
[19:09] <CarlFK> IntuitiveNipple: yes
[19:09] <danbhfive> lanoxx-: I think soon, for jaunty
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: You using that with Jaunty ? I thought last time you mentioned that it was on #ubuntu ?
[19:09] <lanoxx-> how about intrepid?
[19:09] <lanoxx-> by soon, do you mean hours, days or a couple of days?
[19:09] <danbhfive> lanoxx-: maybe never, you could ask in the bug report
[19:10] <lanoxx-> so why do they commit a fix if its not intended to be fixed?
[19:10] <CarlFK> IntuitiveNipple: I saw some stuff on the net that said it worked fine with 8.04, so I tired that.  now I am back to jaunty
[19:11] <IntuitiveNipple> The elographics driver for Jaunty isn't built yet so you won't be able to install it. We've got to sync with the new upstream version 1.2.3
[19:11] <cwillu> lanoxx-, if it was committed upstream, it might take some time.  'Fix released' is generally more immediate
[19:11] <CarlFK> IntuitiveNipple: well, out of the box 'something' works
[19:11] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: really? find out what it is then!?
[19:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe it's emulating a mouse?
[19:12] <CarlFK> thats what I have been trying to figure out
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: You never did tell me which model number touchscreen it is - that can make all the difference
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: try grep input /var/log/dmesg
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: That should show which devices are on which inputs
[19:13] <CarlFK> lsusb says 04e7:0020 Elo TouchSystems Touchscreen Interface (2700)
[19:13] <CarlFK> [    7.717101] input: Elo TouchSystems, Inc. Elo TouchSystems 2700 IntelliTouch(r) USB Touchmonitor Interface as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-2/2-2:1.0/input/input3
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: Or you can do ls  -l /dev/input/by-path/
[19:14] <lanoxx-> cwillu, thx
[19:14] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: OK, that's good. "2700" isn't supported by that X driver from all the reports I've seen
[19:14] <roe_> today is the day for alpha 5?
[19:15] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/1961/  ls  -l /dev/input/by-path/
[19:15] <CarlFK> no touch?
[19:15] <lanoxx-> one more question, do i understand it right that all the series targeted bugs which are e.g. here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid are intended to be actually fixed in this particular release, while any bug thats not there, will only be fixed in any later release?
[19:16] <lanoxx-> or if not, whats the actual concept of series targeted bugs?
[19:17] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: Joystick... pci-0000:00:1d.0-usb-0:2:1.0-event-joystick -> ../event3
[19:17] <danbhfive> lanoxx-: which bug are you interested in?
[19:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Got to go now CarlFK. Dinner.
[19:19] <lanoxx-> a cuple of, for ex. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/99740, but also sometimes i come across bugs that affect me and it reads fix commited but i dont know when it will actually be released
[19:19] <CarlFK> ah! joystick... interesting
[19:20] <lanoxx-> the fix is only released for 3.1 not for 3.0
[19:20] <danbhfive> yeah, so I think thats what the current status is
[19:21] <lanoxx-> also there is a bug about network manager disabeling network functionality after resuming from suspend that im interested, i dont find the bug report right now
[19:21] <danbhfive> so at least its fixed in the latest release.  Then, someone needs to decide whether its worth backporting to earlier releases, or just having people upgrade
[19:22] <lanoxx-> ok, i see
[19:23] <lanoxx-> anyway i gotta go, thx for answering my questions
[19:23] <danbhfive> take care
[19:29] <CosmiChaos> sometimes when i open up new windows (compiz and nvidia) all windows turn white, only the boarders are left, then i click on my startmenu and everything got back, any solutions for this whitescreen bug?
[19:29] <CosmiChaos>  im using nvidia 180.35, jaunty alpha5, and latest compiz
[19:29] <CosmiChaos>  any ideas about whitewindows?
[19:29] <roe_> ooo, sexy gnome login screen
[19:31] <ripps> I'm disappointed that Jaunty won't see Kernel 2.6.29.
[19:36] <ali1234> speaking of the login screen... i had autologin turned on, why am i even seeing it?
[19:46] <ripps>  So, is anyone else's Totem-Gsteamer and it's thumbnailing daemon experiencing trouble? Mine won't work with most avi's and mkv's
[19:58] <scizzo-> anyone that knows a good way to fix a error 11 from grub upon bootup?
[20:15] <scizzo-> I may have found a little grub bug
[20:20] <scizzo-> anyone here that knows a lot about grub in general?
[20:20] <scizzo-> how it should read the root <> stuff and so on?
[20:21] <pihhan> what do you mean by root <> stuff?
[20:23] <scizzo-> in menu.lst
[20:24] <scizzo-> in my menu.lst it lists the UUID as the root partition
[20:24] <pihhan> do you mean what is (hd0,0) ?
[20:24] <scizzo-> I know what that is
[20:24] <scizzo-> I am just wondering why grub2 or grub installed using UUID as the root partition
[20:24] <pihhan> grub does not understand UUID to my knowledge. it passes that as kernel parameter and kernel handles it itself
[20:25] <scizzo-> strange
[20:25] <pihhan> i think you need initrd image with udev to map it to device path
[20:26] <scizzo-> I installed grub2 (for testing purposes) after that the root values in the menu.lst changed to UUID values instead.....causing error 11 when trying to find the device
[20:26] <scizzo-> changing them back to hd(0,6) worked for me and I can boot into my system again
[20:26] <pihhan> i dont know, i havent tried grub2
[20:26] <pihhan> are you sure grub should support UUID somehow?
[20:27] <scizzo-> pihhan: well no
[20:27] <scizzo-> pihhan: I wondering if this effect is suppose to happen when installing grub2.....and if so how to fix it so that it does understand UUID as the root
[20:27] <scizzo-> Alexia_Death: you know a lot about grub and grub2? :)
[20:28] <pihhan> i had problems with booting kernels when not using initrd, it did not boot with UUID parameter also, only with /dev/sda like path
[20:28] <pihhan> i think UUID it too highlevel to be used in grub
[20:37] <Ienorand> Would anyone care to have a look at bug#329146 I've added a bunch of info and is wondering whether there is anything more I might provide, or if someone could mark as confirmed?
[20:37] <Ienorand> bug329146
[20:38] <Ienorand> 329146
[20:38] <Pici> bug 329146
[20:39]  * Ienorand is somewhat peeved by not being able to figure out the auto linking, duh!
[21:03] <CaneToad> how can a 8.10 install be upgraded to Jaunty?
[21:06] <dtchen> CaneToad: one way: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[21:19] <dennda> Is the harddrive clicking bug still present in jaunty?
[21:20] <dennda> And: What version of KDE4 is included in jaunty?
[21:20] <cwillu> 4.2, and what clicking bug?
[21:21] <dennda> The one that makes the harddrive click every once in a while (very frequent). That bug is present in at least 8.04 and 8.10
[21:21] <dennda> And it is annoying.
[21:21] <bruce89> 5 seconds perchance?
[21:22] <dennda> Probably. Didn't measure
[21:22] <dennda> A little less often perhaps
[21:22] <bruce89> 5 seconds is the default commit time for an ext? filesystem
[21:23] <dennda> No; There was a real bug related to that
[21:23] <bruce89> ah, a number would be useful
[21:23] <cwillu> ...which is related to the commit time
[21:24] <dennda> No idea. I just do `sudo hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda` when it occurrs to ease my pain
[21:25] <cwillu> dennda,
[21:25] <cwillu> http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/ubuntu-is-not-causing-aggressive-power-management/
[21:26] <dennda> cwillu: Yeah I know
[21:27] <cwillu> bug #59695
[21:30]  * cwillu wishes the bug report was being spammed by irrelevant comments though :(
[21:31] <cwillu> wasn't, rather
[21:32] <bruce89> LP tends to attract spam
[21:32] <ian1> why am I seeing ugly normal dialogs in addition to the pretty new notifications ?
[21:32] <cwillu> bruce89, only the bugs that people on ubuntuforums talk about for months before somebody reports the bug :p
[21:33] <bruce89> indeed, I'd like a vetting process
[21:33] <bruce89> ian1: because someone thought that actions are evil, and dialogues are a fallback
[21:34] <cwillu> well, actions aren't notifications
[21:34] <bruce89> och, don't start now
[21:34] <ian1> bruce89: do you mean this is expected behavior?
[21:34] <bruce89> yes
[21:34] <ian1> to see it twice??
[21:34] <cwillu> and like it or not, in my experience, most users have no idea what the star means
[21:34] <bruce89> maybe not that
[21:34] <cwillu> (re: updates, etc)
[21:35] <ian1> the latest message was that my USB stick had data to be written to it before removing
[21:35] <cwillu> so popping up the update manager in the background with the glowing taskbar button is quite a good solution in my opinion :)
[21:35] <ian1> I saw it in the corner notification and also as a popup dialog
[21:35] <bruce89> cwillu: do people know what the envelope button is?
[21:36] <bruce89> and is spamming the user with auto-opening dialogues a good thing?
[21:36] <cwillu> things that the user needs to deal with?  yes
[21:36] <bruce89> updates do not need to be dealt with, security ones should be installed automatically
[21:36] <cwillu> they don't open in front of apps, hard to be less intrusive then that and still have the required effect
[21:37] <bruce89> I can think of a way - not bothering
[21:37] <bruce89> it's a bit like saying "People can't do maths, let's not bother teaching it any more"
[21:38] <cwillu> no, it's like saying 'people can't do maths, we should probably have it in the curriculum so that they learn it'
[21:38] <pihhan> should i report problem with aiglx acceleration?
[21:39] <bruce89> instead of educating people as to what the icon meant, you are forcing a window to appear
[21:39] <pihhan> when i run glxgears and start moving its window around place, it leaves its parts over desktop
[21:39] <pihhan> see http://www.pihhan.info/sony/Screenshot.png
[21:40] <ian1> that's so you can remember where the gears used to be
[21:40] <cwillu> "instead of educating people what the window meant, you're forcing an icon to appear"  how is that any different?
[21:40] <cwillu> the window is self explanatory
[21:40] <cwillu> the icon is opaque
[21:40] <bruce89> it's bloody annoying more like
[21:40] <cwillu> how?
[21:40] <bruce89> doesn't matter, I disabled it
[21:40] <cwillu> ooooo, you have a window open, that's not on top of anything.  How annoying :p
[21:41] <bruce89> Compiz doesn't work properly
[21:41] <pihhan> yeah, that's reason i have it disabled in hardy
[21:41] <bruce89> and I find windows appearing without reason wrong
[21:42] <bruce89> the user should be the one to decide what to do, not the computer
[21:42] <cwillu> if we weren't planning on fixing the bug, then you'd have a point, but as it stands, that's like complaining about a new restaurant that ran out of coke, as if they're never going to order it
[21:42] <bruce89> does Evolution auto-open on new mail?
[21:43] <cwillu> that a debatable opinion
[21:43] <bruce89> fact is, it doesn't
[21:43] <cwillu> and?
[21:43] <bruce89> clearly for good reason
[21:43] <cwillu> no, it'
[21:44] <cwillu> no, it's not clear.  It's debatable.  And the different between free software and the proprietary junk is that we can try these things
[21:44] <cwillu> with the right support (which is pretty much already there, aside from the compiz bug), it may turn out to be a far superior approach
[21:44] <bruce89> interesting is that the "proprietary junk" hasn't thus far
[21:45] <bruce89> a window list seems to be a new notification area now
[21:46] <bruce89> incidentally, why did Compiz change their behaviour?
[21:48] <AaronMT> Hi, where might I find Alpha 5 link?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> AaronMT: Don't think you will, yet. but it is coming
[21:50] <AaronMT> Ah, the release schedule needs to be revised than.
[21:50] <charlie-tca> No, it should still release tonight
[21:50] <charlie-tca> oops, depends on where you are, huh?
[21:50] <AaronMT> EST
[21:51] <_VIM_> what time?
[21:51] <_VIM_> sorry i came in late
[21:51] <charlie-tca> We are still hoping
[21:51] <charlie-tca> If not, it will be out tomorrow
[21:51] <_VIM_> If i have alpha 4 can I update it to 5 with dist upgrade?
[21:51] <bruce89> probably a bit late now, AFAIK they usually appear in the day here at UT+0
[21:51] <_VIM_> or do i have to burn new disk?
[21:52] <bruce89> _VIM_: if you have been upgrading packages, that's fine
[21:53] <_VIM_> I havent been
[21:53] <yofel> hm, wouldn't alpha4 with all updates be alpha5?
[21:53] <_VIM_> I just got the alpha 4 cd just an hour ago :(
[21:53] <_VIM_> I hope so yofel :)
[21:53] <AaronMT> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[21:54] <bruce89> actually, I've thought of something else about autolaunching
[21:55] <bruce89> the old notification system would have a bubble which said "updates available" with a pointer pointing to the notification icon
[21:56] <bruce89> the new system doesn't have such visual indicators
[21:56] <charlie-tca> _VIM_: If you have alpha 4 with all updates, you are at the equivalent of alpha5
[21:56] <cwillu> bruce89, the pulsating taskbar ('attention requested') is supposed to serve that
[21:56] <_VIM_> ok ty charlie-tca
[21:57] <bruce89> why's that better than a wee balloon pointer thing?
[21:57] <cwillu> bruce89, the bubble has been a source of confusion though, with people clicking on it, and wondering why nothing ever pops up
[21:57] <cwillu> because it doesn't appear over anything :)
[21:57] <cwillu> and it's the same mechanism used by other applications to request attention
[21:57] <bruce89> where's the testing data?
[21:58] <cwillu> sorry, I didn't take notes on it when people asked me why it didn't show up
[21:58] <cwillu> I'll do that next time
[21:58]  * cwillu looks into voip-to-mp3 archival :p
[21:59] <cwillu> "This call may be monitored for quality control and training purposes" ftw! :)
[22:00] <cwillu> my favourite was actually when my dad said he had been installing the updates as he saw them for months, but had just been clicking the bubble and thought that did it :)
[22:00] <bruce89> surely the solution is to just auto-install updates
[22:00] <cwillu> yay seniors :p
[22:01] <cwillu> right, because _that_ isn't a violation of 'the user should be the one to decide what to do, not the computer' :p
[22:01] <cwillu> granted, I think installing security updates automatically should be the default, but it still doesn't defeat my point
[22:01] <bruce89> at least it doesn't require the user to know anything's happening
[22:02] <cwillu> sure it does, on a lot of machines, updates have a dramatic affect on performance while they're running
[22:02] <bruce89> update-manager isn't exactly light
[22:02] <cwillu> even on an adsl connection, merely downloading the updates will disrupt latency sensitive communications (quake being my particular poison)
[22:02] <cwillu> update-manager isn't the cause of that
[22:03] <cwillu> it's the packaging processes hitting the disk that hurts performance
[22:04] <bruce89> well, I'm sure it's not just me against it
[22:04] <cwillu> I know it's not just you
[22:04] <cwillu> but if alpha's aren't the right time to experiment with new ways of interaction, when _is_ the right time?
[22:04] <pihhan> you can try running updater using nice, but it will not help much
[22:05] <cwillu> dennda, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement suggests that in intrepid, "ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE=true" in /etc/default/laptop-mode is all you need (it has lines for 8.04 as well)
[22:05] <cwillu> pihhan, ionice set to idle is the appropriate settings
[22:05] <pihhan> oh, what is ionice, i never head of such thing
[22:05] <bruce89> Ubuntu's done some barmy stuff in the past in development series
[22:06] <cwillu> pihhan, there's some block settings that really need different defaults for idle to be really useful though
[22:06] <cwillu> man ionice :p
[22:06] <cwillu> barmy?
[22:06] <bruce89> mad
[22:06] <aboSamoor> I upgraded to Jaunty and I have jerky sound on my laptop speakers ! can you help me ?
[22:07] <cwillu> compiz, network manager, update manager (originally), rounded corners, aiglx on by default (before compiz), easy-installing proprietary drivers, all things that people complained about grievously
[22:07] <RomD> any ISO download for alpha 5 already?
[22:07] <bruce89> ubuntu-calendar
[22:07] <cwillu> RomD, alpha4 + updates will largely get you up to alpha5 (at least, once it's official)
[22:08] <cwillu> aside from any packaging/defaults that might need tweaking by hand
[22:08] <bruce89> I remember something odd about 2 years ago
[22:08] <RomD> gotta download it anyway, so an alpha 5 iso would be simpler ;)
[22:08] <cwillu> could use a nightly
[22:08] <cwillu> a5 isn't out yet afaik
[22:08] <RomD> I'll just wait then
[22:09] <bruce89> no real need to
[22:12] <aboSamoor> do you have any idea how can start to figure what is my problem ? I have a very bad sound on my speakers !
[22:12] <cwillu> pihhan, """ echo 0 | tee /sys/block/sd*/queue/iosched/slice_idle """ is the line I have in my rc.local, improves idle priority
[22:12] <billisnice> have anyone tried 9.04 on dell mini 9?
[22:12] <cwillu> aboSamoor, bit late now, but any particular reason for upgrading to jaunty other than testing?
[22:14] <pihhan> cwillu: how it does improve idle priority?
[22:14] <cwillu> pihhan, gives it less priority :p
[22:15] <aboSamoor> cwillu: I am trying to help ubuntu by testing on my thinkpad. Also I hope to get my microphone working, I don't want to use XP any more and also I want to talk to my friends in Jordan using google talk.
[22:15] <cwillu> okay, carry on :p
[22:15] <cwillu> was just hoping that you weren't under the impression that things are stable :)
[22:17]  * DanaG ♥ 2.6.29 kernel + radeon.
[22:18] <aboSamoor> cwillu: I know it is stable. But I wan to know what are the problems, are they from jaunty or because I made mistakes here and there. What is the supposed alsa packeges versions that come with Jaunty ?
[22:18] <cwillu> pihhan, actually, that was a lie.  slice_idle->0 tells the io scheduler to service other processes immediately rather than waiting for some period of time in case the current process wants to read/write something again (the idea being that it probably wants something near the same place on the disk)
[22:18] <cwillu> aboSamoor, don't confuse me for somebody who knows much about alsa :p
[22:18] <DanaG> For the first time ever, suspend and resume works essentially perfectly reliably.
[22:19]  * cwillu huggles DanaG
[22:19] <bruce89> aboSamoor: the point was actually that Jaunty isn't stable
[22:20] <DanaG> You know, people kept suggesting that I'd regret buying ATI... but I really don't.
[22:20] <dtchen> aboSamoor: 1.0.18
[22:20] <dtchen> aboSamoor: all across the board. i've patched them as necessary.
[22:21] <dtchen> aboSamoor: we're evaluating whether to bump alsa-lib to 1.0.19 for the people who want to use pulseaudio 0.9.15
[22:21] <aboSamoor> bruce89: I installed alsa 1.0.19 on my intrepid. it was from a user's ppa and it did not work, my package manager still tells me that I have 1.0.19 ! What can I do to downgrade to 1.0.18 ?
[22:22] <dtchen> aboSamoor: which ppa? and what do you mean by "it did not work"?
[22:22] <cwillu> aboSamoor, from synaptic, select it and hit 'force version'  Note, if there are alot of dependant packages as well, this isn't very easy to do
[22:24] <bruce89> have a look at the source list thingy in synaptic too
[22:24] <aboSamoor> dtchen: cwillu: the ppa was https://launchpad.net/~pgquiles/+archive/ppa I meant by not working that mic problem was not solved just by upgrading alsa packages
[22:25] <dtchen> aboSamoor: the only ppa i recommend tracking for sound would be that of themuso, who helps me maintain the audio stack in Ubuntu
[22:26] <dtchen> aboSamoor: also, your internal mic issue is not an alsa-lib one but an alsa-kernel one, meaning that the bug lies in the `linux' source package. upgrading `alsa-lib' (rather, `libasound2', etc.) will not help.
[22:27] <dtchen> aboSamoor: i'm aware of the internal mic regressions from intrepid, and i'll be devoting time this weekend to fix them for HDA codecs.
[22:30] <RomD> did they fix the problem of apps and folder shortcuts always getting opened on the primary screen in a multi monitor environment in alpha 5?
[22:34] <Ienorand> Would anyone care to have a look at bug 329146 . I've added a bunch of info and is wondering whether there is anything more I might provide, or if someone could mark as confirmed?
[22:34] <aboSamoor> dtchen: I am ready to help in testing any code added or modified. Should I add any repos ?
[22:43] <dtchen> aboSamoor: announcements are made to ubuntu-devel{,-discuss} and/or my blog
[23:08] <aboSamoor> Hi, how I should report bugs to Jaunty ? I have problems with sound, graphics and nautilus
[23:10] <cwillu> aboSamoor, launchpad.net; also, you were just talking to the guy you need to about sound bugs
[23:12] <aboSamoor> cwillu: Thanks. What about the graphics. Compiz is not working any more !
[23:12] <bruce89> same place
[23:16]  * ethana2 can never remember what mailing list to watch for alpha release announcements
[23:16] <dtchen> ubuntu-devel-announce
[23:18]  * bruce89 doesn't understand the excitement about an alpha tag
[23:19] <ethana2> dtchen: maybe I misspelled it..
[23:19]  * ethana2 tries again
[23:19] <ethana2> ohh, I did, I had two dashes or something; thanks dtchen
[23:45] <Mooqball> i installed using ext4
[23:45] <Mooqball> woot jaunty