[00:39] <GungaDin> How can I branch into a remote location without having to branch, push & reconfigure?
[01:01] <Peng_> GungaDin: What? "bzr push"?
[01:02] <GungaDin> no, I want to immediately branch from a remote place to a remote place.
[01:02] <GungaDin> I think I managed simply by specifying both urls.
[01:02] <Peng_> Oh.
[01:06] <mkanat> spm: I don't know if you saw, but we pushed an actual fix for one of the bugs lately, so you might want to update codebrowse to loggerhead trunk if you haven't in the last two days or so.
[01:10] <spm> mkanat: excellent! ta; will do!
[02:36] <thumper> mkanat: an actual fix?
[02:36] <thumper> as opposed to a fake fix?
[02:36] <mkanat> thumper: I checked in a fix that didn't fix it, at first.
[02:36] <thumper> ah
[02:36] <thumper> mkanat: which bug?
[02:37] <mkanat> thumper: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/420738
[08:44] <jam> wgrant: didn't you recently post an lsprof of 'bzr branch' to a bug? Do you know what bug that was?
[08:45] <mwhudson> jam: probably https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/562666
[08:45] <spiv> jam: 562666
[08:45] <wgrant> Yeah, that's the one.
[09:20] <wgrant> lifeless: 13 minutes to locally branch devel.
[09:49] <lifeless> wgrant: ok
[09:53] <lifeless> wgrant: we have some results
[10:03] <ziminq> hi all, how can I commit part of a file's changes? something like 'git add -p'?
[10:04] <spiv> ziminq: 'bzr shelve'
[10:05] <ziminq> spiv: thanks, i'll take a look at this :-)
[10:05] <spiv> ziminq: e.g. use bzr shelve to temporarily set aside the changes you don't want to commit yet, then you can commit, and then you can unshelve again.
[10:06] <ziminq> spiv: yeah, just what I want. similar to idea of git stash.
[10:09] <wgrant> lifeless: Aha. Panic panic?
[10:29] <awilkins> Someone remind an idiot how to push a new branch into an empty SVN repository?
[10:29] <jelmer> awilkins: hey
[10:30] <jelmer> awilkins: bzr push <repo>/trunk
[10:30] <awilkins> Hello Jelmer
[10:31] <lifeless> wgrant: a 12% improvement about to be put up for review
[10:32] <awilkins> jelmer, I'm getting "http does not support mkdir()"
[10:33] <awilkins> jelmer, And I'm an idiot because I don't have bzr-svn installed   :-S
[10:34] <awilkins> Thaaat works better
[10:39] <jelmer> awilkins: that'd explain it :-)
[10:43] <wgrant> lifeless: Ah, great!
[10:43] <wgrant> Not so great, however, is that my lp:linux checkout is about to reach 2.5GiB.
[10:45] <jelmer> wgrant: `have you tried repacking it
[10:45] <jelmer> ?
[10:45] <wgrant> jelmer: Well, it's still downloading..
[10:47] <jelmer> wgrant: hmm, that's odd - I think it was only around 300Mb here..
[10:48] <jelmer> wgrant: you're not accidentally fetching into a 1.9 repo?
[10:48] <wgrant> jelmer: Yes, it was just a few undred megabytes when I tried it a few weeks ago.
[10:48] <wgrant> jelmer: No, fresh checkout into /tmp, which is not a shared repo.
[10:49] <jelmer> wgrant: hmm
[10:53] <mwhudson> i guess it would be interesting to get a losa to run du a couple of times
[11:11] <lifeless> wgrant: srsly?
[11:16] <wgrant> lifeless: Yeah, 2.5GiBwas shown in the progress indicator thingy, but .bzr ended up at only 475MiB.
[11:18] <awilkins> Does it transfer compression groups or does it stream their content?
[11:19] <awilkins> e.g. - if pulling and you ask for a revision stream that's in a compression group does it just send the group so you can hit that later on?
[11:27] <Tak> does bzr-git support dpush?
[11:27] <jelmer> Tak: yes
[11:27] <Tak> but not regular push yet, correct?
[11:28] <jelmer> Tak: right, though it might not be too long before it supports regular push
[11:28] <Tak> dpush works for me for now
[11:38] <Tak> is there a known good way to dpush to github?
[11:39] <jelmer> bzr dpush<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:43] <cbz> What's the difference?
[11:43] <Tak> http://paste2.org/p/822944
[11:45] <jelmer> cbz: between what?
[11:46] <cbz> Oh - it strips the metadata
[11:47] <cbz> In working with git i presume the model isn';t one of rebase and then push - but that one pushes all one's revisions upstream
[11:48] <jelmer> cbz: not sure I follow, in git rebase seems to be used a lot
[11:49] <Tak> that's with branch, commit, dpush
[11:49] <cbz> I just meant that when working with subversion one has to rebase ontop of the latest chanegs in the remote repository before pushing upstream
[11:49] <jelmer> tak: that's a known issue in trunk at the moment
[11:49] <Tak> oh, ok, is there a known good rev?
[11:50] <jelmer> Tak: I'd use a release
[11:54] <Tak> oh, hmm, so it actually pushed my revision
[11:57] <lifeless> awilkins: neitherish
[11:59] <cbz> I'm getting this error when doing a bzr pull: bzr: ERROR: sqlite3.OperationalError: database is locked
[11:59] <cbz> is there a way of cleaning up the lock?
[11:59] <jelmer> cbz: you have two bzr processes accessing the same svn repo
[12:00] <jelmer> cbz: you can install python-tdb to work around that issue (it allows concurrent access)
[12:00] <cbz> jelmer: something must have left the lock behind. The only other thing running is a tbzrcache process
[12:00] <mwhudson> and then you can mangle the subversion.conf file :)
[12:01] <jelmer> cbz: I wouldn't be surprised if that's what accessing the database..
[12:03] <cbz> Is the lock a per user or per repository setting?
[12:03] <cbz> i've exitted tbzrcache and stil get the same error - any way of cleaning up?
[12:59] <jelmer> cbz: it's per repository
[12:59] <jelmer> cbz: It shouldn't give that exception if there aren't any processes using that cache
[13:00] <jelmer> I guess you could remove the cache, if windows will allow you
[13:05] <cbz> Hmm - only a reboot fixed it in the end
[13:16] <hersonls> Hi, im new in layout of cvs and how is the best way to create a branche from a trunk in the same repo?
[13:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> cvs?
[13:19] <hersonls> yeah, layout like svn, trunk/ tags/ branches/ - before i never use this, only one directory
[13:19] <hersonls> i see a svn tutorial to use a svn cp trunk/ branches/0.1 - for exemple
[13:19] <hersonls> how the best way into bzr
[13:21] <Peng_> "bzr branch"?
[13:23] <hersonls> i dont know about that, i dont understand how this work fully... but bzr branch creat a copy of a branch, is the correct way? branch inside branch?
[13:28] <Peng_> I think you should read the tutorial or something.
[13:28] <Peng_> "bzr branch" creates a branch.
[13:29] <Peng_> Which starts out as a copy of the branch you're branching from, yes.
[13:29] <hersonls> this i understand
[13:30] <hersonls> my question i how to work with this layou branches/ trunk/ tags/
[13:30] <hersonls> i read in same blog's, the trunk is a production branch and when i make a modifications i make a copy from trunk to branches/
[13:31] <hersonls> right?
[13:34] <Peng_> Why do you want to work with that layout?
[13:35] <Peng_> I've never uinderstood the point of consigning non-trunk branches to some "branches" directory.
[13:35] <Peng_> And in Bazaar, tags are dcreated with "bzr tag".
[13:36] <hersonls> so, i can make a tags so easy?
[13:38] <hersonls> so the best way is making a tags?
[13:45] <Peng_> The "best way" for what? When you need a tag, make a tag. When you need a branch, make a branch.
[13:45] <hersonls> =)
[13:54] <awilkins> hersonls appears to be used to SVN
[13:55] <awilkins> SVN implements tags and branches by convention only using the ability to copy a SVNFS inode
[13:55] <hersonls> awilkins, haha, i'm reading a good article about this
[13:55] <hersonls> and i like that
[13:55] <hersonls> http://www.scribd.com/doc/10965126/ccbazaar
[13:56] <awilkins> I liked SVN a lot ; I converted 3 shops to it, I still administer SVN repositories, but I'm a born-again DVCS convert
[13:58] <hersonls> the only problems i have with bzr is a permission in repo, when one user make a push when anothe make too make a access denided using sftp
[13:58] <hersonls> =(
[14:03] <beuno> hersonls, you need to have them both in the same unix group
[14:05] <hersonls> yeah, i see in this - chmod 770 /bazaar/bzr; chmod +s /bazaar/bzr
[14:07] <Peng_> Does the sticky bit work over SFTP?
[14:08] <maxb> The sticky bit is +t, not +s
[14:08] <Peng_> Oh. :P
[14:08] <poolie> Peng_: do you mean sticky or setgid? in any case
[14:08] <maxb> +s/+t work at the filesystem layer, so it doesn't care how you're accessing it
[14:08] <poolie> some servers filter out setuid/gid
[14:09] <Peng_> I remember OpenSSH having issues with something, but IIRC it was just the umask?
[14:09]  * Peng_ has never used any of the unusual bits, so he doesn't know them well.
[14:10] <maxb> The problem with using setgid directories and a common group is it requires that users' umasks do not mask group permissions
[14:12] <Lor> Hi, is there any documentation on how plugins are supposed to handle locking?
[14:30] <lifeless> jam: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lifeless/bzr/command-help-bug-177500/+merge/25055
[14:40] <jelmer> bzr send not defaulting to --strict anymore is great :-)
[14:45] <jam> lifeless: i believe I already reviewed
[14:45] <lifeless> jam: ok
[14:45] <lifeless> ah yes
[14:45] <lifeless> stale webby pagy
[14:53] <Lor> So, are plugins supposed to call tree.lock_read(), or are lock operations considered to be internal to bzrlib?
[14:53] <lifeless> only the highest level functions take locks automatically
[14:54] <Lor> Are the locks recursive?
[14:54] <lifeless> any non-trivial plugin will be likely taking locks explicitly
[14:54] <lifeless> reentrant? yes
[14:54] <Lor> All right, then it shouldn't be too hairy.
[14:57] <Lor> Incidentally, how long is the bzr codebase supposed to be python 2.4 -compatible? The with-statements introduced in 2.5 would make writing critical sections much easier.
[14:58] <lifeless> we were talking about this earlier
[14:58] <lifeless> I'm not sure, is the short answer ;)
[14:59] <lifeless> but we can add glue for with to bzr without being 2.4 incompatible
[15:00] <Lor> You mean, make it easier for plugin writers to use with-statements (and lose 2.4-compatibility) if they choose, but refrain from using them in the core?
[15:01] <Lor> Of course, the glue itself is pretty trivial: http://pastebin.com/nmfpHHsb
[15:05] <Lor> By the way, here are some plugins I intend to write. Please tell if you are aware of something similar already underway.
[15:05] <Lor> bzr-mtime: store mtimes of added and modified files under .bzrmeta/mtimes. Add a merge hook for that file to select the newest mtime.
[15:07] <Lor> bzr-snapshot: allow making "snapshot" commits, so that the latest non-snapshot revision is tagged as such. A "real" commit is then actually a final snapshot, plus a merge into the latest non-snapshot revision.
[15:08] <Lor> (This allows storing an intermediate, ugly state of the tree, but since it ultimately happens in a branch that gets merged back, the final history will look cleaner)
[15:09] <Lor> Finally, a plugin that traverses through the working tree and interactively asks the user what to do with each unknown file: delete, add or ignore henceforth.
[15:10] <lifeless> I'm not aware of anything underway for those things
[15:11] <Lor> All righ.t
[15:12] <Lor> (I do think that the mtimes should be stored by the core in the inventory, though.)
[15:12] <lifeless> well we have the time of the commit
[15:12] <lifeless> which is more accurate in many ways (consider e.g. revert, touch, etc)
[15:13] <Lor> I don't mean that the mtimes should be utimed to the working tree during checkout.
[15:14] <Lor> But they are useful information.
[15:14] <Lor> Suppose I edit a file in the working tree but forget to commit, and after some weeks edit some more and then commit.
[15:15] <Lor> Then it's nice to retain the information about the earlier editing.
[15:15] <jelmer> lifeless: ping
[15:15] <lifeless> pon
[15:16] <jelmer> lifeless: When would be a good time to look at colocated branches / foreign branches this week?
[15:16] <lifeless> tomorrow perhaps ?
[15:18] <jelmer> lifeless: there's quite a few session I have to attend tomorrow, thursday or friday would work better for me
[15:18] <lifeless> sure
[15:28] <Lor> Is there some specification for file-ids?
[15:29] <Lor> I think it would be good to have a fixed, custom file-id for the mtime file, but I'm not quite sure if there is some convention for choosing the id.
[15:31] <poolie> jam, do you mind if i put you down as PP next week?
[15:32] <jelmer> Lor: I don't think there's any hard-coded file ids other than the now deprecated TREE-ROOT
[15:34] <Lor> But per-tree metadata files that are managed by plugins probably ought to have hard-coded file-ids, since otherwise bad things will happen if two unrelated repositories get merged.
[15:34] <Lor> s/repositories/branches
[15:35] <Lor> On the other hand, _really_ bad things will happen if two distinct plugins choose to use the same file-id.
[15:36] <Lor> A namespace convention would be useful for preventing collisions.
[15:39] <lifeless> Lor: the path is sufficient, I think. the plugin can handle merging appropriately
[15:40] <Lor> Uh, how can it be handled appropriately if two mtime files have been created in two unrelated branches, with different file-ids, and then those get merged (joined, in practice)?
[15:42] <Lor> Hm. Doesn't the .bzrmeta directory (which, I gather, is the officially recommended place for data stored by plugins) also have a fixed file-id?
[15:42] <Lor> Or shouldn't it?
[15:42] <spiv> No, it doesn't have a fixed file-id.
[15:42] <spiv> It might be nice if it did.
[15:42] <spiv> But even the tree root doesn't...
[15:43] <Lor> Oh, that has changed?
[15:43] <Lor> How then are two unrelated branches merged?
[15:44] <Lor> Ah, it's an error nowadays.
[15:44] <spiv> Hmm, not sure how different tree roots affect it, but I'm fairly sure "bzr merge -r 0..-1 $unrelated" manages to do something useful.
[15:45] <Lor> I always thought that it's really pretty that every branch has a common ancestor.
[15:45] <Lor> But obviously that wouldn't work with nested trees.
[15:46] <Lor> So, um, with nested trees, file-ids have to be unique throughout the hierarchy?
[15:47] <lifeless> yes
[15:47] <Lor> Then, obviously, all subtree-specific metadata files also have to have unique ids.
[15:47] <lifeless> yes
[15:48] <Lor> Well, that decides it.
[15:50] <Lor> So then I need a hook to be run during a join operation, one that migrates the metadata from subtree/.bzrmeta/mtimes to .bzrmeta/mtimes
[15:52] <Lor> Except that no hooks are currently run during WorkingTree.subsume...
[16:12] <spiv>
[19:34] <dwt> Hi all, I've got a project that is a checkout of a google code repository, but that I also publish to my another repo on my homepage
[19:34] <dwt> now I always need to type 'bzr push && bzr push bm:upstream' to push it to these locations (the bookmarks plugin already helps a ton)
[19:34] <dwt> BUT
[19:35] <dwt> I'm sure there is an even better way to push to these two locations
[19:35] <dwt> (as I always want that)
[19:35] <dwt> but I couldn't find anything in the plugins section or with gui
[19:35] <dwt> sorry, in the wiki
[19:35] <dwt> or with google
[19:35] <dwt> so thats why I'm asking here
[19:35] <Lor> I'm actually also interested in this.
[19:35] <dwt> So please help, how to spare typing those extra characters?
[19:36] <dwt> Lor: Yay, now we're two! :)
[19:36] <IslandUsurper> dwt and Lor, make an alias for, say, "push-all"
[19:36] <Lor> If your entire problem is typing more, then... echo.
[19:37] <Lor> I have (or will have) a slightly more complicated situation, though.
[19:37] <dwt> IslandUsurper: alias means that it is global and not local to one repository, right?
[19:38] <IslandUsurper> dwt, I think you can have both
[19:39] <IslandUsurper> I'm not sure about it now, though. I may have been thinking of git :-/
[19:39] <dwt> IslandUsurper: Those seem to be defined in ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[19:39] <dwt> can I have one of those per project too?
[19:39] <IslandUsurper> there's a branch.conf
[19:40] <IslandUsurper> in .bzr/branch/branch.conf
[19:45] <dwt> http://wiki.bazaar-vcs.org/ConfiguringBzr Aliases cannot be specified in locations.conf or branch.conf
[19:45] <dwt> :-(
[19:45] <dwt> Other ideas?
[19:45] <Lor> Why does this need to be branch-specific?
[19:45] <dwt> Well, repository specific would be fine for me
[19:46] <dwt> but as far as I understand that means it has to be in locations.conf or branch.conf
[19:46] <dwt> right?
[19:47] <Lor> There are all kinds of kludges (or non-kludgy Real Solutions) you could do, but I'm not sure if they're worth the effort.
[19:57] <dwt> Hrm…., well, I can always resort to makefiles / scripts as a last resort
[19:57] <dwt> I'd rather hoped to avoid that though
[19:59] <Lor> It's pretty simple to write a plugin that modifies the push command so that multiple push_locations are supported.
[20:01] <Lor> Frankly, the api is a bit messy, though.
[20:01] <Lor> Too much of the logic of ordinary commands is in the actual command classes.
[20:02] <Lor> Doing an ordinary push from python code should preferably just be a single method call without parameters.
[20:25] <dwt> Yeah…. Well, maybe if the internal implementation is simplified I might give it a go
[20:25] <dwt> :-)
[20:35] <Lor> Wait a sec... a commit hook only gets access to the branch, not the working tree?
[20:38] <dwt> uhm, yes/no/maybe?
[20:39] <dwt> Sorry, I have no knowledge of bzrs internals. :)
[20:45] <Lor> Ah, I was looking at pre_commit when I really should have used start_commit.
[20:54] <Lor> If the current working tree is in a state of an uncommitted merge, is there a way to find out which of the currently modified/added files came from the merge without conflicts?
[20:57] <Lor> Also, what's a ghost revision?
[21:16] <Lor> Why doesn't Tree.changes_from() support specific file_ids?
[21:16] <Lor> It seems funny that an api supports specifying an argument as a path (which is then converted into an id) but not directly as an id.
[22:32] <jelmer> moinmoin


[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[07:26] <dholbach> ajmitch, in the hivemind review you said you'd push some changes into a branch somewhere, but I couldn't find it
[07:35] <dholbach> ajmitch, is lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/hivemind what you're thinking of?
[07:37] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:44] <dpm> hi dholbach
[13:06] <dholbach> can somebody please help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/apps-brancher/+bug/1012064 last comment?
[13:06] <dholbach> I think that'd make the apps-brancher loads more useful
[13:46] <dholbach> wendar, stgraber, highvoltage: if I feel an app is ready to go after I worked on it, should I send a [vote] mail to the list?
[13:47] <dholbach> I'm not sure how I can put it up for review by you :)
[13:49] <highvoltage> dholbach: good question. usually it was the arb members who did it, but personally I would like it if we could have a much larger pool of people who can do that, since reviewing it is a lot less work than actually getting it to the phase where it's ready for [vote]
[13:50] <highvoltage> dholbach: I'd say we should at least extend being able to send a [vote] mail to arb-helpers and perhaps also members of ubuntu-dev
[13:50] <dholbach> lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/hivemind should be close, lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/wikipedia-lens, lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/vm-lens, lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/cooking-lens should be ready
[14:48] <wendar> dholbach: yes, certainly arb-helpers should be able to request a vote
[14:48] <dholbach> wendar, and if I'd just like to have someone look over it? sometimes nobody on IRC responded - should I ask for reviews on the list in those cases?
[14:51] <wendar> dholbach: well, a call for vote is a request for others to look over it
[14:51] <wendar> dholbach: we all do a code review as part of the vote
[14:51] <dholbach> ok cool
[14:52] <wendar> dholbach: if you have any specific concerns, you can always mention them in the [vote] email
[14:52] <dholbach> lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/hivemind I'm not 100% sure about
[14:52] <dholbach> but the others I'm happy to submit
[14:53] <wendar> dholbach: okay, sounds good. and we can talk through hivemind on IRC or email
[14:53] <wendar> (email is slower, but gets the attention of more people)
[14:54] <dholbach> thanks
[16:07] <dholbach> so yeah, I'd appreciate if somebody could have a look at  lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-app-reviews/hivemind


[01:03] <CyL> Hi, I've created a $HOME/.local/bin directory and throwed a few executables in the and added that directory to my path, somehow bash is not able to find that files, any clue?:
[01:06] <knome> CyL, did you mark them as executables and if you are running from a terminal emulator, did you relaunch the emulator?
[01:53] <HypothesisFrog> hi.
[01:53] <HypothesisFrog> I'm trying to connect to a new router by ethernet. A TPLink w8960n. I just can't seem to connect at all.
[01:53] <HypothesisFrog> how do I fault find the problem?
[01:54] <Maxwell> Hi everyone
[01:55] <Maxwell> If anyone can help, I have a technical question:  My system sounds, internet sounds, and Banshee are all working just fine.  However, both VLC and Spotify are completely silent when I play music or play a video.  Why is that happening?
[02:15] <xubuntu342> hello
[04:37] <xubuntu082> Hello! Anyone fixed the wifi correct password rejection bug yet?
[04:37] <holstein> xubuntu082: whats the bug#?
[04:39] <xubuntu082> 13.10 32 bit -- I enter the correct wpa2 password but authentication is rejected - wont connect
[04:39] <holstein> xubuntu082: do you have the bug #?
[04:39] <holstein> xubuntu082: is it with your specific chip?
[04:40] <xubuntu082> no it's specific to debian based distros going back several years but I dont know if its been reported on xu
[04:40] <xubuntu082> I've tried both a realtek 8185 and atheros 9200 based mini pci
[04:41] <holstein> xubuntu082: im currently connected to wpa without that issue. so, id say, assuming if it was a bug, it has been fixed, and you are experiecing another issue
[04:41] <holstein> xubuntu082: lots of folks connect to wpa
[04:41] <xubuntu082> well interestingly tails live 7 is the only distro from the past 3-4 years that works for me with wpa2 on my laptop
[04:42] <holstein> xubuntu082: yeah? i have been using wpa for years. no trouble on any linux
[04:42] <xubuntu082> and I know tails is debian based but what did they fix?
[04:42] <holstein> xubuntu082: i dont think "they" fixed anything.. i think it could be something on your end
[04:43] <xubuntu082> well I've tried wicd and the default wireless managers from ubuntu, xub, debian, mint, etc. they all fail the same way
[04:43] <xubuntu082> but there is nothing wrong with the laptop or wireless cards - they work in windows and Puppy 4's.
[04:43] <holstein> xubuntu082: they all succeed the same way for me and many others. no one usually comes and says "wpa doent work".. it works
[04:43] <xubuntu082> Kernel issue?
[04:43] <holstein> xubuntu082: i dont think so, friend
[04:44] <holstein> xubuntu082: i have that kernel, and im typing over wpa with an atheros chip
[04:44] <xubuntu082> well this is wpa2, and the hardware is ok - I'm not sure what to check with xub or other distros.
[04:44] <holstein> could be something with the router
[04:44] <holstein> xubuntu082: wpa2.. same
[04:44] <xubuntu082> no, tried two routers. one dd-wrt, the other stock netgear
[04:44] <holstein> xubuntu082: check and try different configurations on the router
[04:44] <xubuntu082> tried static and dhcp
[04:44] <xubuntu082> hidden ssid, open ssid
[04:44] <holstein> xubuntu082: sure.. but you are configuring them each time.. so try different configrations
[04:45] <xubuntu082> I'
[04:45] <holstein> xubuntu082: can you connect with no encryption?
[04:45] <xubuntu082> yes
[04:45] <holstein> then, use the machine and the router you can connect to, and mess with the settings in wpa, keeping in mind that it does work for many if not all
[04:45] <xubuntu082> now in order to get video to work I have to acpi=off nomodeset. but the wireless card is still detected and scans
[04:46] <xubuntu082> it just wont connect. wpa supplicant bug?
[04:46] <holstein> xubuntu082: i have experienced out at access points in public places not being able to connect before
[04:46] <holstein> xubuntu082: i dont think its a bug, friend
[04:46] <xubuntu082> well the last version of ubuntu that supported this hardware is 9.04
[04:46] <holstein> xubuntu082: im on .. with wpa and wpa2.. using that kernel and that suplicant..
[04:47] <holstein> xubuntu082: the hardware vendor supported 9.04 last?
[04:47] <xubuntu082> yes, ubuntu 9.04 and Debian 5
[04:47] <holstein> are you trying to use those 9.04 drivers? i would just use what is in the kernel
[04:47] <xubuntu082> no I dban prior to every install
[04:48] <holstein> xubuntu082: im not following
[04:48] <xubuntu082> fresh install. no upgrades
[04:48] <holstein> xubuntu082: whats is 9.04 referecing?
[04:49] <xubuntu082> ubuntu 9.04 worked with my very common ati video card and the realtek wireless card. but good luck finding 9.04 repos that are still online
[04:49] <xubuntu082> I'm running a gateway ml-3109. Doesn't support pae or kms but I've disabled kms at boot and I run the non pae kernel
[04:49] <holstein> xubuntu082: 9.04 is EOL... but, those drivers might have been removed from the modern kernel, but should be able to be added if you need them. 9.04 repos are down, intentionally
[04:50] <xubuntu082> problem is the drivers are still there the cards scan, they just don't connect
[04:50] <holstein> xubuntu082: if you are not using a kernel from the repos, that could be the issue.. you would need to try and get support from whom ever is providing the drivers
[04:50] <xubuntu082> some issue with wpa2 is my theory since the drivers are supplied by ubuntu
[04:50] <xubuntu082> or debian
[04:50] <xubuntu082> or mint. I haven't messed with the drivers
[04:51] <holstein> xubuntu082: im on wpa2.. so, if that helps you with the theory
[04:51] <xubuntu082> what hardware are you using?
[04:51] <holstein> xubuntu082: folks connect to wpa regularly
[04:51] <holstein> xubuntu082: every chip in the house.. broadcoms.. atheros.. whatever
[04:51] <xubuntu082> doubtful, based on my experience.
[04:53] <xubuntu082> I see some ubuntu forums back to 2010 with this issue but haven't found the bug report yet
[04:53] <xubuntu082> so apparently I'm not the only victim
[04:53] <holstein> xubuntu082: sure.. we can find a person who cant connect with wpa, but its not a bug
[04:53] <holstein> xubuntu082: folks connect... you are not a "victim" of anything regardless
[04:54] <xubuntu082> ok, frustrated potential user who can't afford to buy a new laptop every 6 months?
[04:54] <holstein> 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[04:54] <holstein> xubuntu082: i dont buy laptops every 6 months, and im using wpa2
[04:55] <holstein> xubuntu082: i do replace chips if they are problematic.. i replaced a new broadcom one because the driver support was hit and miss for me
[04:55] <xubuntu082> ok well I see forums from 2010 to 2013 with the password rejection issue - it appears to be fairly common
[04:56] <holstein> xubuntu082: all i have constructive is this.. whatever issue you are having is not xubuntu related specifically, so you can go to the main larger #ubuntu community and mailing lists
[04:56] <xubuntu082> what confuses me is the iphone, ipad, and other laptop on my network use the same wifi password with no issues
[04:56] <holstein> xubuntu082: i would not refer to it as "that wpa2 bug" since its really just your problem, it seems, and not a bug
[04:57] <holstein> xubuntu082: i understand it can be frustrating, and im not "kicking you out".. just trying to get you to a larger community of help
[04:57] <xubuntu082> a person knowledgeable about xubuntu would have been familiar with this bug and efforts being made to fix it. forgive me for confusing you with a knowledgeable person.
[07:54] <peyam> hej
[07:55] <peyam> Does anyone know how I can remove peyam@peyam : in terminal and make it something like "Peyam says:"
[08:09] <Sysi> peyam: edit ~/.bashrc, if there's a line starting PS1= edit it and if not, create it
[08:09] <peyam> Sysi, there is three ones
[08:10] <Sysi> one without 00;35 or such if you're not using colored prompt
[08:11] <Sysi> if you pastebin the file I can tell which line
[08:11] <Sysi> !pastebin
[08:11] <peyam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6737196/ Sysi
[08:15] <peyam> u see it Sysi
[08:15] <peyam> ?
[08:21] <Sysi> sorry got caught checking out something
[08:21] <peyam> I fixed it
[08:21] <Sysi> cool
[08:22] <Sysi> you need to understand bash scripting to understand debian/ubuntu overcomplicated bashrc
[08:22] <peyam> yes I gues its time to learn
[08:26] <peyam> Sysi, How do I write a new line in Bash? like \n in c
[08:42] <lelo> hi all :)  anyone can help me with the issue "unable to find a medium containing a live file system"? on 13.10
[08:50] <bekks> lelo: Are you trying to boo a cd / an usb?
[08:51] <lelo> an usb
[08:51] <bekks> How did you create it?
[08:51] <lelo> with 'dd' command and with unetbootin
[08:52] <bekks> Did you check the md5sum of the iso before?
[08:52] <lelo> yup
[08:52] <lelo> md5 and sha
[09:21] <Linnak> Hi, I've installed compiz on XFCE Debian based distro.  I onyly want to use the magic lamp effect for minimizing windows, but if I start compiz --replace it changes the window border which is not resizable and sticks on the top right corner. I use greybird theme and greybird wondows, but the error message is: couldn't fing gtk-theme-manager for Aidwata or something like that. I've also insalled a couple of gtk window manager
[09:21] <Linnak> It's Xubuntu actually. I've just copy paste on more IRC channel
[09:22] <well_laid_lawn> Linnak:  try in #compiz if no one here knows
[09:22] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[09:23] <Linnak> Ther is noone on that channel
[09:23] <well_laid_lawn> probably wrong time of day
[09:24] <Linnak> ok. thanks
[10:02] <peyam> Hi
[10:02] <peyam> http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/012/9/f/devianart_by_peyam30-d71v83g.png
[10:02] <peyam> what you think about this guys?
[10:40] <apothecarius> hey I have a really weird bug, most times when the computer boots up it has some sort of terminal on the screen, and when you press return it logs out
[14:00] <jarnos> Why can't I run exo-desktop-item-edit by gksudo?
[14:12] <vincentvdbergh1> test123
[14:12] <vincentvdbergh1> looks like my irc settings and networking settings work :P
[16:14] <Ofloo> hey, .. where can i put my findings, .. cause 14 looks nice so far however panel is broken, .. and the default language was/is bangladesh
[16:15] <elfy> Ofloo: hi and welcome
[16:15] <elfy> that's a known bug :) bug 1259525
[16:15] <Ofloo> oh ok..
[16:16] <elfy> you can boot it ok if you want to - top right for language and session menus - set language to english (or whatever) use xubuntu as username THEN set session to xubuntu and you should boot ok
[16:16] <elfy> thanks for testing it though :)
[16:16] <Ofloo> however the icon theme looks way better
[16:16] <Ofloo> no i know how to change the language
[16:16] <Ofloo> though ;)
[16:17] <Ofloo> still on live cd
[16:17] <Ofloo> was trying to recreate the livecd
[16:17] <Ofloo> i mean panel
[16:17] <elfy> ok :)
[16:17] <Ofloo> how do i make the docky appear
[16:17] <elfy> yea - that's because you're in an xfce session
[16:17] <Ofloo> the default one
[16:18] <elfy> logout - go to tty1 or something rm the .config then log back in with the right session and it should work
[16:18] <Ofloo> i do love the now look, .. it's a lot more clean at least it gives that impression
[16:18] <elfy> Ofloo: next time you have issues with a dev version - better to use xubuntu-devel or the ubuntu+1 channels - so we keep this channel for released versions
[16:19] <Ofloo> k thanks elfy
[16:19] <elfy> Ofloo: yea - I have the gtk3 indicators/new tabwin and a few other bits and bobs here too
[16:36] <Ofloo> does this still exist, .. while ago when you had like drivers for 13.04 you could install backports to make them work i remember, ..
[16:36] <Ofloo> that feature does that still exist?
[16:39] <elfy> backports is still there - but there's nothing there in 14.04 as far as I know
[16:40] <bekks> elfy: yeah, backports is empty for 14.04
[16:41] <elfy> bekks: ty for confirmation
[16:51] <Orioa> can someone help me i want to postion my seond monitor to the left of laptop monitor but keep task bar on the laptop monitor
[19:26] <dieguezz> hi, is it possible to install plex in xubuntu_
[19:26] <dieguezz> ?
[19:26] <holstein> dieguezz: nothing about xubuntu prevents it.. AFAIK, plex has servers and clients for linux
[19:27] <holstein> https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/26727-how-to-plex-media-server-on-ubuntu/ is where i would start
[19:31] <dieguezz> ty holstein
[21:05] <spicypixel> any highlights to what 14.04 brings over 13.10?
[21:06] <knome> spicypixel, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/
[21:06] <spicypixel> thanks!
[21:07] <spicypixel> any of the major bugs listed on the alpha 1 page been squashed in the daily builds?
[21:13] <brainwash> spicypixel: just check the linked launchpad reports
[21:13] <spicypixel> will do
[21:14] <brainwash> these reports are used to track the status and progress
[21:15] <spicypixel> yeah, looking now
[21:16] <spicypixel> the consensus seems to be the 64bit iso is a better choice now?
[21:17] <knome> based on what information?
[21:17] <holstein> spicypixel: i would just let the amount of ram you have help decide. "better" is always a matter of opinion and use case
[21:17] <spicypixel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/ >> *Promoting 64-bit images by default
[21:17] <spicypixel> yeah I have 8GB
[21:17] <knome> spicypixel, yes, under the title "Things to investigate"
[21:18] <holstein> spicypixel: on the machines i have 8gb's on, i use 64bit
[21:18] <knome> spicypixel, ubuntu does that now by default, so it's probably something for us to consider as well
[21:18] <spicypixel> I thought it was a marketing issue and that the technical reasons for it being a good idea to promote it had been done, fair enough
[21:18] <elfy> I use it on this one with 4Gb
[21:18] <spicypixel> I'll download the 64bit iso and give it a shot
[21:19] <knome> we technically have the same reasons to promote it over 32bit than ubuntu
[21:19] <kRush> I read systemd there.. *shudder*
[21:20] <spicypixel> nice, just reading about how xfce 4.12 got delayed
[21:21] <spicypixel> been a while since I used xubuntu, used it as my distro of choice back for 12.10
[21:27] <jarnos> How do you use the "file:" thing with appfinder?
[22:02] <jarnos> nevermind
[22:25] <SatanicDolphin> hello?
[22:29] <xubuntu163> is there an update for drop box to install the menu options that are available for Ubuntu.  for example, "copy public link"
[22:29] <xubuntu163> ill be right back the game is on...lol xbuntu RULES!
[22:31] <SatanicDolphin> can anyone help me? i was just wondering if you could get xubuntu to boot of a usb the same way as a harddrive?
[22:32] <slickymaster> SatanicDolphin, http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/
[22:32] <slickymaster> SatanicDolphin, sorry, wrong link
[22:32] <slickymaster> SatanicDolphin, http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.pt/2013/04/how-to-install-xubuntu-on-usb-device.html
[22:33] <SatanicDolphin> thanks
[22:34] <SatanicDolphin> so this will run like a normal hd or will this prompt for installing it / trying it?
[22:35] <jarnos> xubuntu163, I guess not in Thunar. You may use Nautilus for those.
[22:36] <slickymaster> After installing it in the USB stick, it will run like a normal HD but you must change your boot settings so that your PC will boot on USB instead of HD
[22:36] <slickymaster> SatanicDolphin, ^^
[22:36] <SatanicDolphin> alrighty thank you :)
[22:56] <spicypixel> any easy way to have xfce emulate windows in respect to the titles in the panel at the bottom? right now when the title gets too long it just loops around to the second line slightly off screen instead of fading out or using ellipsis
[22:56] <spicypixel> ?
[22:56] <spicypixel> basically button labels are too long =\
[22:57] <spicypixel> http://i.imgur.com/7YvKAZm.png example, hexchat at the bottom
[22:59] <spicypixel> I get a feeling I am better off asking in #xfce but I didn't know if it was xubuntu specific
[23:01] <xubuntu163> how about getting xubuntu to connect to the internet faster.  there is a delay.  xubuntu on my 32 bit machine connects immediately
[23:01] <holstein> xubuntu163: wifi? its likely related to the wifi drivers
[23:02] <xubuntu163> not wifi
[23:02] <Orioa> good question would be interested in knowing it as well
[23:02] <xubuntu163> the 32 bit version connectrs instantly
[23:02] <holstein> i would still tink the main difference would be the drivers, unless you have tried the 32bit and 64bit on the same hardware
[23:03] <xubuntu163> and we need a drop box update to link up folder stuff
[23:03] <xubuntu163> hmm so another ethernet driver might work bettr?
[23:19] <Orioa> does anyone know how to set dual monitors so that second monitor is to the left of laptop monitor with out the task bar going to second monitor


[07:43] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <kivi> dholbach, o/
[07:52] <dholbach> hey kivi
[07:53] <kivi> dholbach, any idea if the next bq phone is north american compatible?
[07:53] <dholbach> no, I'm afraid I don't know
[08:24] <BlackJohnny> hello
[08:26] <BlackJohnny> may I ask if anyone knows ubuntu-touch scopes dev aspects? I want to use the "attributes" feature and there is no example on how to work with that ... at leas I cant find one
[08:26] <BlackJohnny> ... the attributes on a card that is, from CategoryRenderer
[08:27] <BlackJohnny> thanks
[08:27] <davidcalle> BlackJohnny, see https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/guides/scopes-customization-branding/
[08:28] <BlackJohnny> davidcalle, thanks for that, I have used it but there is no mention about the JSON structure for the "attributes"
[08:28] <BlackJohnny> "attributes": "attributes"
[08:29] <BlackJohnny> davidcalle, it should be a key value dictionary but the way to define that is not clear
[08:30] <davidcalle> BlackJohnny, indeed, let me find you an example
[08:31] <BlackJohnny> davidcalle, thank you
[08:33] <BlackJohnny> davidcalle, I am afk for a few minutes. If you find it pls paste it here. Thanks again
[08:36] <davidcalle> BlackJohnny, the soundcloud scope uses three attributes on each card, for each one it only sets a "value" string (for track duration, playback count and favorites count) , see at line 289 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity-scope-soundcloud/trunk/view/head:/src/scope/query.cpp#L289
[08:37] <BlackJohnny> davidcalle, thank you, I will dig in
[08:38] <davidcalle> BlackJohnny, so, it only sets "value", but you can use "icon" as well in the tuple eg     builder.add_tuple({{"value", sc::Variant(string)}, {"icon", sc::Variant(icon_path)}});
[08:41] <davidcalle> BlackJohnny, np, ping me if you have issues with it, I agree it lacks a good example :)
[15:53] <mcphail> LocutusOfBorg1: Hi. I think nemo had wanted to try to get hedgewars running on a mobile/touch platform. I was trying to help out to get it running on Ubuntu touch (as it would be good to have another game on the platform, and it will help us to find the broken bits of Ubuntu touch). I'm unlikely to be able to devote much time to it before November, though, as work is crazy just now
[15:54] <mcphail> LocutusOfBorg1: we'd got as far as getting a lot of linkig errors, where SDL1 was being looked for rather than SDL2
[16:10] <LocutusOfBorg1> mcphail, do you have a build script or what?
[16:11] <LocutusOfBorg1> I need: 1) where do you take the source code 2) how do you build it
[16:11] <LocutusOfBorg1> or how can I reproduce
[16:11] <LocutusOfBorg1> because dpkg-buildpackage works fine on armhf
[16:11] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm not sure what do you do
[16:14] <mcphail> LocutusOfBorg1: the problem is the display server on Ubuntu touch. It uses Mir rather than X11, so the default armhf build won't work. It needs to build against SDL2
[16:14] <mcphail> LocutusOfBorg1: (and it doesn't use opengl)
[16:17] <mcphail> LocutusOfBorg1: see https://adoptingubuntu.wordpress.com/2015/07/10/creating-an-emulated-armhf-chroot-for-development/ for my build environment
[17:28] <maggots> anyone home?
[17:33] <maggots> i think i'm in love with..............
[17:34] <maggots> :( i have never felt so alone.
[17:44] <tathhu> that was fast :(
[18:35] <xdsct> Hi ;d
[18:35] <xdsct> I use Ubuntu and pyotherside sdk and I have a problem
[18:36] <xdsct> when trying in the directory "~" create a config gets the error "permission denied".
[18:44] <xdsct> can you help me?
[18:45] <davmor2> tathhu: he does that a lot
[18:46] <davmor2> xdsct: try /home/<username/ instead of ~ it might be that it just doesn't understand the tilda option
[18:48] <xdsct> but how will I know what everyone in the smartphone has a username?
[18:48] <xdsct> when the terminal on your smartphone typed: "python3" and try to go to the "~" and create a config is done successfully.
[18:49] <xdsct> but when an application wants to do, that is the problem
[18:49] <xdsct> maybe something to set in, "AppArmor"?
[18:51] <xdsct> hmm?
[18:53] <xdsct> you have any ideas?
[18:56] <DanChapman> xdsct: you can only read/write to you app specific directories due to confinement. The allowed locations are ~/.local/share/{app_name}/* ~/.cache/{app_name}/*  and ~/.config/{app_name}/*. Take a read here for more details https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/app-confinement/
[19:02] <xdsct> hmm, ok
[19:04] <brendand> xdsct, python won't automatically interpret ~ in paths, you need to use os.path.expanduser, but that's probably not your issue. just an fyi
[19:05] <xdsct> I know
[19:06] <xdsct> {app_name} - name or name.author?
[19:16] <xdsct> works good :D
[19:20] <xdsct> and is there any way to get permissions to the folder where the application?
[19:21] <brendand> xdsct, where the application what?
[19:21] <xdsct> I have a file in the project directory python, which I have to start by subprocess
[19:25] <xdsct>  /project/
[19:25] <xdsct>  /project/main.qml
[19:25] <xdsct>  /project/main.py
[19:25] <xdsct>  /project/launcher.py
[19:25] <xdsct> from main.py by subprocess must by running launcher.py
[19:26] <xdsct> *with main.py I have to run through the subprocess "launcher.py"
[19:33] <xdsct> hmm?
[19:33] <xdsct> any ideas?