[01:30] <Lns> http://www.classroomtco.org/gartner_intro.html
[14:36] <dark4og> Anyone having trouble with Firefox and Java.. Firefox just dies when I type tooooo fast.
[14:37] <dark4og> This happens in an email web client, World Client, Lookout theme, heavy in the Java


[00:02] <kiroma> !artful
[00:17] <electrostatic> Hullo individuals.  I have an interesting situation.  We recently acquired a middle aged dell poweredge, 4 cores, 16gb ram  X5675 proc.
[00:17] <electrostatic> the server has 4 nics, eno1-eno4
[00:18] <electrostatic> I do not know if they are multiplexed to one chip in the board
[00:18] <xz> electrostatic: why would you care if they are all 1 card or 4 different ones?
[00:18] <electrostatic> getting to that
[00:19] <electrostatic> when I add eno4 to a bridge to use with qemu it works great
[00:19] <electrostatic> just as I would expect it to, and as it has on other computers I have used it on
[00:20] <electrostatic> except one problem... eno1 - the main nic for the server, quits being able to send or receive
[00:20] <electrostatic> it is not in the bridge control list, i have checked
[00:20] <electrostatic> when I disable and dleete the bridge on eno4 it pops back on
[00:20] <electrostatic> anyone heard of anythign like that before?
[00:21] <xz> electrostatic: did you try plugging main Ethernet wire to eno2 for example?
[00:21] <xz> electrostatic: or using eno3 on QEMU instead of eno4?
[00:21] <electrostatic> I have used eno3 and 4
[00:21] <electrostatic> I will try 2 in a bit
[00:22] <xz> electrostatic: it's unusual that separate interfaces are tied to each other
[00:22] <xz> electrostatic: also, that network card with 4 interfaces, is it built-in, or separate PCIe card?
[00:22] <electrostatic> built in
[00:23] <electrostatic> I'm thinking Dell may have played shenanigans
[00:23] <Alsophila> Oh no my built-in 3G module is dead...
[00:23] <xz> electrostatic: I don't know your server hardware, but sometimes these built-in nicks might be for management purposes, like IPMI, remote wake-up etc.
[00:23] <xz> electrostatic: in such case they would be marked somehow, like different color etc.
[00:24] <xz> electrostatic: also, you might get some help on ##hardware
[00:24] <xz> electrostatic: I don't know TBH why is that happening to you
[00:24] <Alsophila> I can't find my 3G module in Ubuntu but it works in Windows7
[00:26] <electrostatic> Well, just an FYI they are all in a row and all the same color and labeled Gb1-Gb4
[00:27] <electrostatic> xz I am uploading a file to it right now, so I can't debug until that is doen
[00:53] <hobosteaux_> I recently installed samba from source. After finding some issues and removing all the binaries via make uninstall, apt still thinks that the package requirements are satisfied by (now) non-existent libraries. Is there any way to force apt to 100% replace all binaries?
[01:14] <nacc> hobosteaux_: um, so you installed some deps via apt, manually removed those deps without apt and now apt is broken?
[01:14] <nacc> hobosteaux_: seems totally normal and *don't do that*
[01:24] <electrostatic> xz I guess it didn't op back on as much as I though it had. The file was having trouble transferring and I realized the nic speed had dropped to about 40 KBpb
[01:25] <electrostatic> Which, apparently, is not a recommended speed for 3gB file transfers
[01:25] <hobosteaux_> @nacc - I installed them manually w/o apt (make install from source tree), apt picked them up, uninstalled via make, apt thinks the packages are forever marked as manual
[01:25] <electrostatic> *kBps
[01:26] <nacc> hobosteaux_: you installed libs from source?
[01:26] <nacc> hobosteaux_: "apt picked them up" doesn't make sense, that's not how apt works
[01:26] <nacc> hobosteaux_: apt is just a frontend to dpkg
[01:26] <nacc> hobosteaux_: unless you used a .deb, apt doesn't know about it
[01:26] <hobosteaux_> i think it is because I tried to have apt install over it
[01:26] <nacc> also, building somethig like samba from source seems like bad idea (tm)
[01:27] <nacc> hobosteaux_: i am not sure i know what you mea
[01:27] <nacc> hobosteaux_: install what over what?
[01:27] <hobosteaux_> It is a horrible idea - ut I wanted the mit kdc instead of heimdal-backed kerberos
[01:28] <hobosteaux_> unfortunately, the mit kdc still has bugs so I tried to apt-get install samba over the top of the [manually] installed binaries
[01:28] <hobosteaux_> horrible idea again
[01:30] <hobosteaux_> And then I tried marking all packages as automatic, (the samba ones were all manual), but it thought that a bunch of things needed removing afterwards (linux-image-generic, sudo, etc)
[01:30] <hobosteaux_> think I am just going to wipe and walk away - have no data stored on here yet
[02:00] <adamdesign> Good to be free... Graphic designer who just installed Ubuntu Studio on an iMac. To Adobe, Inc.: Put that in your Creative Cloud pipe and smoke it! 8-)
[02:51] <loganlee> hello my friends
[02:52] <loganlee> im running lubuntu on my vm
[02:55] <loganlee> im suggesting unity theme to be brighter in color
[02:55] <loganlee> its too dark
[03:34] <nacc> loganlee: you can file a bug (feature request), but that's not a support request for this chanel
[03:35] <loganlee> np nacc
[03:38] <j4f-shredder> do you know if nohup is better than forever to keep a process respawnable on an ubuntu vps
[03:38] <j4f-shredder> ??
[03:38] <j4f-shredder> which is the most reliable way to lift a node server after a server crash?
[03:39] <ekkis> evening everyone.  I'm trying to package some software for distribution and am following this guide: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[03:40] <nacc> ekkis: what kind of softwar?
[03:40] <ekkis> section 4.2 assumes I have a tarball but I grabbed the source from github
[03:40] <nacc> ekkis: that whoel guide is out of date, i believe
[03:40] <ekkis> this: https://github.com/emc2foundation/einsteinium
[03:40] <nacc> bzr isn't used anymore
[03:40] <ekkis> oh.  is there a more updated version?
[03:40] <nacc> https://github.com/emc2foundation/einsteinium/releases
[03:40] <nacc> ekkis: that's the tarball -^
[03:41] <ekkis> oh... ok.  let me try it with the url then
[03:41] <nacc> ekkis: well, i mea, that's where tarballs are
[03:41] <nacc> ekkis: read about debian/watch and how to specify github urls
[03:41] <ekkis> but if this is outdated, there's nothing more updated because this seems like the official version
[03:41] <nacc> thre isn't anything else, yeah
[03:41] <nacc> don't use bzr
[03:41] <nacc> :)
[03:42] <nacc> the rest of it might be ok
[03:42] <ekkis> if I don't use bzr then I don't know how to follow this guide.  do I just use dh_make instead?
[03:42] <ekkis> I've never created a package so I'm trying to figure it out
[03:42] <nacc> yeah probably use dh_make
[03:42] <nacc> ekkis: it's late here, i can help tmrw
[03:43] <nacc> there is also #ubuntu-packaging, iirc
[03:43] <ekkis> k, no worries
[03:43] <ekkis> I appreciate it
[03:43] <ekkis> where are you?
[03:43] <nacc> US PST
[03:43] <ekkis> oh.  that would be a better place to ask
[03:43] <nacc> ekkis: if it's an application (not a lib), consider making a snap
[03:43] <ekkis> ok.  I'm in Lalaland
[03:43] <ekkis> GMT-8
[03:43] <ekkis> snap?
[03:44] <ekkis> this? https://snapcraft.io
[03:44] <ekkis> looks pretty awesome
[03:45] <nacc> ekkis: yeah, there's #snappy for that
[03:45] <nacc> ekkis: it's quite a bit easier to get started on if it's an app
[03:45] <ekkis> but to run the app the user needs snap installed?
[03:46] <ekkis> my ultimate aim is to create a docker image so first I need to package this
[03:48] <loganlee> is ubuntu still the most popular distro?
[03:52] <ekkis> loganlete: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
[03:52] <loganlee> NOOOOoooooo
[03:53] <loganlee> ubuntu is not #1
[03:53] <loganlee> im too old to try new stuff (distro-wise)
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> loganlee: please stick to ubuntu issues only in this channel
[04:19] <aloo_shu> #ubuntu-offtopic would be perfectly suited, though, loganlee
[04:23] <aloo_shu> you couldn't have disrupted 30min of otherwise inexistant support activity then
[04:50] <phelix>  sometimes when i plug my cell phone in it works just fine. But after aboutg 10 + days of updtime sometimes when i plug my phone in it just tells me that "Incomplete connection" And I always have to reboot my computer for it to work again. Is there any service or anything that I can restart so I don't have to keep restarting my computer to connect to my phone. This seems to happen all the time
[05:05] <aloo_shu> phelix what phone? (os) ? in any case, probably you can already ease your life by just logging out and back in instead of rebooting
[05:09] <aloo_shu> that will also restart all user services
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> aloo_shu: he left
[05:10] <aloo_shu> thx
[05:40] <permissions_ugh> Hello, would anyone be able to help me with some Ubuntu 16.04 LTS permissions issues
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !ask | permissions_ugh
[05:46] <permissions_ugh> I have a program called Sonarr that is able to move a file located in /var/lib/deluge/Downloads/ to ~/Public/Videos/TV Shows/ and also chmod to 775 and chgrp to emby.   However, when I change the file download location to ~/Downloads/temp/deluge/ , Sonarr can only move the file, and the file permissions get set to 660 and the group stays as deluge.    The log says “Error setting file permissions: EPERM”.   What I don’t unders
[05:46] <permissions_ugh> is why the original file location would matter with how the permissions get changed after it moves to the new location.
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | permissions_ugh
[05:48] <permissions_ugh> Thanks ubottu, but I believe I understand file permissions enough.  I have set the folders to have identical permissions
[05:48] <permissions_ugh> Yet, it only works coming from one, and not coming from the other
[05:51] <permissions_ugh> Lotus, you tried to help me a while ago with my display issues on 16.04.  Thanks for that.  Any idea why this bizarre behaviour is happening when I change the originating location of a file.
[06:00] <dekatch> when experiencing freezes with 16.04lts. what should i do to possibly fix these?
[06:05] <Bashing-om> dekatch: nvidia graphics ? nouveau driver ?
[06:05] <dekatch> nvidia graphics. not sure about the drivers.
[06:05] <dekatch> hope somebody could point me to an troubleshoot guide or something
[06:11] <dekatch> can i somehow use the ubuntu budgie theme on ubuntu unity?
[06:11] <loganlee> dekatch, prob need some kind of error log you can see
[06:12] <dekatch> loganlee, i wiped the drive. cant post any now. i want to install ubuntu on that drive as the only OS. but i need to find out some more before reinstalling
[06:13] <dekatch> so the fixes could be fixed. or could i simply end up with freezes that couldnt be fixed? due to dunno unsupported hardware?
[06:13] <dekatch> so the freezes could be fixed***
[06:13] <loganlee> dekatch, usually googling will ultimately give you the solution
[06:15] <dekatch> i googled around. some have fixed the issue with an kernel update. but since i was on a fresh ubuntu install few days ago i dont think itll help
[06:15] <dekatch> although i didnt check my kernel version. but shouldnt i be on the latest?
[06:15] <dekatch> others couldnt fix it with an kernel update. i thought maybe there is a general way on how to troubleshoot freezes.
[06:16] <loganlee> dekatch, i fixed my ubuntu laptop with this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/803640/system-freezes-completely-with-intel-bay-trail
[06:16] <loganlee> dekatch, is your cpu intel bay trail?
[06:16] <loganlee> mine was
[06:16] <dekatch> not sure . its an i5 3450.. on a 1155 socket
[06:17] <loganlee> so i guess not
[06:17] <nomadsign> Can someone explain to me how i could install a package(gcc-4.4) that is not in the packaglist anymore ?
[06:17] <dekatch> lol sry
[06:17] <dekatch> never heard "intel bay trail". before. when checking for my cpu on intel.com it doesnt mention that
[06:18] <dekatch> so i also guess not
[06:18] <dekatch> but its still an older from 2012 i guess.
[06:19] <dekatch> nomadsign, https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/gcc-4.4 maybe from there?
[06:20] <nomadsign> dekatch: hmm y :/
[06:20] <nomadsign> dekatch: thx
[06:21] <dekatch> np
[06:22] <dekatch> hope it works. they listed lots of mirrors / sources
[06:23] <dekatch> can i use the ubuntu budgie them on ubuntu unity? or can i make the starter look like the one on budgie?
[06:24] <dekatch> managed to display the starter on bottom. but i couldnt find a way on making it smaller. so that it doesnt span across the screen all the way
[06:24] <dekatch> like shown there https://media-cdn.ubuntu-de.org/wiki/attachments/09/35/ubuntu_budgie.jpg
[06:25] <dekatch> or should i simply go with ubuntu budgie if i want to have it that way? worried about the budgie support in the future. not worried about the unity support in the future
[06:34] <Fixion_> hmm... someone had an interesting quesion on Ask Ubuntu, they wanted a tutorial on using debootstrap, with the intention of chrooting into a 32-bit jail from a 64 bit host ubuntu system...  https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en (that site seems to be pretty good with the debootstrap and chroot stuff, but I aren't entirely certain the 32-bit subsystem thing would work... would it?
[06:34] <Bashing-om> dekatch: My system too with nvidia was freezing up. ducasse and others here spent 6 months on the issue . Once I installed the proprietary driver the freezing was resolved .
[06:35] <Fixion_> (it could be make interesting sandbox for wine or something like that... I guess... )
[06:37] <ducasse> Fixion_: if you want to sandbox stuff you might want to look at systemd-nspawn instead of chroot
[06:37] <dekatch> Bashing-om, i used the one that ubuntu installed.
[06:38] <Fixion_> hehe the sandbox thing was just a comment I personally made, I don't know what software they wanted to run in it...
[06:38] <dekatch> dunno if that is the proprietary driver?
[06:38] <Fixion_> but I might look up systemd-nspawn anyway... just because I don't know anything about it..
[06:40] <ducasse> Fixion_: it's a very simple way to run containers. you can also use the machinectl tool to start/stop them etc
[06:42] <Fixion_> seems a bit like qemuing/virtualizing, using a hardfile for the container...
[06:42] <Fixion_> that pretty much keeps your OS safe I guess...
[06:43] <Fixion_> qemu should certainly work for a 32-bit guest... no need to debootstrap there...
[06:43] <Fixion_> but you do need install media from scratch, no idea if they have that or not...
[06:43] <ducasse> it's much lighter than full virt, as it shares the host kernel
[06:44] <Fixion_> I assume they were going to just use the internet from the host system to use the same repo but different architecture
[06:46] <ducasse> that's not a problem, 32-bit binaries will run just fine on a 64-bit kernel. a lot of people run multilib systems to get support for both.
[06:48] <Bashing-om> dekatch: The default driver installed is nouveau . I installed the proprietary driver just becuase I had nothing else to try . lo and behold - no more freezes .
[06:49] <dekatch> Bashing-om, where do i get the propriatery driver then? from packages ubuntu? or from nvidia?
[06:49] <ducasse> dekatch: use the software and updates dialog, under additional drivers
[06:50] <dekatch> alright thanks
[06:50] <dekatch> i am readong some weird stuff about budgie. its written in vala and vala isnt really under developing. so they call it outdated
[06:51] <dekatch> therefore they say they wouldnt use budgie.
[06:51] <ducasse> dekatch: be aware, though, that some people has the exact opposite problem to what Bashing-om had - they can only get a stable system with nouveau
[06:52] <dekatch> ducasse, yea i had the freezes with the one driver that comes with ubuntu setup. so worth a shot. i guess if it gets worse then i am screwed
[06:52] <dekatch> but ill just hope for now :)
[06:54] <ducasse> dekatch: there are several versions of the nvidia driver to try, though, so you might need to try a few if the default one for your gpu doesn't work
[07:48] <azidhaka> Hi, after updating from 14.04 to 16.04 there are some upstart errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25631885/
[07:52] <Dumbuntu> Hi there, need to install ubuntu on t470, anyone had any bad experience?
[07:54] <ducasse> Dumbuntu: https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201702-25371/
[08:38] <zedde> Anyone here use 2 factor ssh login ?
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> Varazir: perhaps a question for #openssh?
[08:40] <Varazir> lotuspsychje: could be a better channel. i'll check  there
[10:10] <lundmar> Just upgraded to 17.10 latest. Man, that gnome/mutter mouse lag is difficult to get used to.
[10:14] <azidhaka> lundmar: yeah, thats why i gave up on Gnome3 and Cinnamon. Budgie is acceptable and MATE flies (with Compiz)
[10:16] <lundmar> azidhaka: yeah. The gnome guys are aware of it but it seems it will take a while to fix. Basically the problem is that the mouse movement is inclided in the main gnome-shell/mutter rendering loop. The fix is to move it to a separate rendering thread but we won't see that patched for gnome 3.26 :(
[10:16] <lundmar> included*
[10:16] <lundmar> just a shame this was not a focus for 17.10
[10:17] <lundmar> because its pretty noticable
[10:19] <akik> lundmar: can you link to a bug report about it? sounds incredible
[10:19] <azidhaka> does mutter have a hardware acceleration at all?
[10:20] <lundmar> akik: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745032
[10:21] <lundmar> azidhaka: I think so but it is also related to the way input is processed
[10:21] <lundmar> baically the whole input (libinput) handling needs to be moved to a separate thread to fix this issue.
[10:22] <lundmar> today, it is apparently too embedded in gnome/mutter loop
[10:22] <lundmar> basically*
[10:22] <azidhaka> that looks like a showstopper. maybe ubuntu will backport the patch before releasing
[10:23] <lundmar> I think that sounds risky at this point in the release schedule but maybe
[10:24] <lundmar> anyway, I upgraded to 17.10 because I finally wanted to run wayland and darn it nothing is going to stop me! :)
[10:24] <lundmar> not even a laggy cursor
[10:26] <azidhaka> its kde for me until gnome is in acceptable shape. i beleive ubuntu will manage to do it
[10:26] <azidhaka> for 18.04
[10:27] <lundmar> I'm just getting used to gnome now. The only thing about gnome compared to unity is the huge pixel waste of the top bar / windows - that is, the lack of global menus etc..
[10:28] <lundmar> it just seems like such a waste of screen real estate
[10:28] <azidhaka> lundmar: pixel waste is the exact term i would use to describe it
[10:29] <lundmar> I hope maybe one day gnome will adopt the unity global menu scheme - it's really beautiful compared.
[10:29] <azidhaka> i enjoy "condensed" UIs
[10:29] <akik> i think this is the wrong choice for canonical to make. to go against what gnome thinks is best for the ui
[10:30] <lundmar> the pop up menus in the window top bar itself was really nice in unity
[10:31] <lundmar> well, maybe the ubuntu devs can pursuade the gnome devs to see the light ;)
[10:31] <lundmar> because running ubuntu 17.10 gnome on a laptop 1920x1080 is nothing short but a major waste of pixels
[10:32] <azidhaka> its interesting for me how much ubuntu will try to "rebrand" its gnome version, to have virual distinctiveness (sp?) among distributions
[10:32] <akik> lundmar: you can't adjust those at all in some xml file?
[10:32] <lundmar> akik: you mean the size of the top bar etc?
[10:33] <akik> lundmar: yes
[10:33] <lundmar> you can adjust the size of the dock thats all
[10:33] <azidhaka> damn, my last sentence, even i can't undestand what have i written
[10:34] <lundmar> also, I don't want to make the top bar smaller I want to collapse the window title bars in the top bar etc..
[10:35] <lundmar> azidhaka: I don't think they actually change that much. Mostly theme changes and a dock plugin.
[11:06] <lol768> is enx00e07cc91670 supposed to be simpler than eth0 or something..
[11:06] <Ben64> it's predictable
[11:06] <EriC^^> lol768: i think it's more about being predictable or something
[11:06] <lol768> I see
[11:10] <kubanc> how can I make a network bridge with two NIC cards in Ubuntu. I need this so I can put the PC in between switch and a printer
[11:14] <akik> lol768: you'll get the previous naming scheme back by adding net.ifnames=0 kernel parameter
[11:21] <lol768> cheers akik
[11:21] <akik> lol768: i had that problem with both a usb wifi and usb ethernet adapter
[11:29] <lol768> mmm, it's USB
[11:29] <lol768> presumably the device driver influences the name?
[11:29] <lol768> I can cope with en1su2, but that's a little unyieldy
[11:29] <lol768> unwieldy
[11:31] <Ben64> i think it's just hardware location or something like that
[11:35] <lundmar1> hehe, another funny bug in ubuntu 17.10 - if you open gnome-terminal and press F11 to repeatedly enter/exit full screen then the original terminal window will shrink
[11:49] <Squarism> is there some way to get unity to LEAVE a notification associated to a program in the launcher bar?
[11:49] <Squarism> (until app is focuesed)
[11:53] <greyline> hi all
[11:53] <greyline> should I afraid of any personal data loss, when I refresh from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS?
[11:54] <greyline> the update manager gave me that window, what asks me about refreshing, and it would be necessary because of flatpak. Flatpak is needed for an app
[12:04] <skinux> Is Google Chrome not supported anymore?
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> skinux: chromium is the ubuntu alternative for chrome
[12:06] <akik> greyline: always make backups when doing bigger os upgrades
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> skinux: but you should still be able to download it online or from repos
[12:06] <greyline> akik: only make backup about system partition personal datas, or other partitions as well?
[12:08] <greyline> akik: because there's a shared partition with Windows and it contains a lot of personal datas, but it's not a system partition
[12:08] <greyline> akik: so Ubuntu is on another partition
[12:08] <akik> greyline: i can't know where your personal data resides. the upgrade doesn't touch the windows partition
[12:08] <greyline> akik: so the upgrade touches ONLY the Ubuntu partition?
[12:09] <akik> greyline: yes it updates the packages that create the ubuntu installation
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> greyline: as akik suggests, always safe when you backup before playing with partitioning
[12:09] <greyline> lotuspsychje: who said that I want to play with partitioning?
[12:10] <greyline> lotuspsychje: I want to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> greyline: even on upgrades its safe to backup
[12:11] <greyline> lotuspsychje: obviously
[12:11] <greyline> lotuspsychje: the question is: is it enough to save datas only from the Ubuntu system partition?
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> greyline: who can look into the future what will happen with a HD with shared partition?
[12:13] <akik> greyline: the upgrade doesn't touch the windows partition
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> greyline: you got space enough on this HD?
[12:18] <skinux_> What happened to Ubuntu automatically seeing Windows partition?
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> skinux_: from a GUI setup, it still does
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> skinux_: but you can upgrade a system via terminal also
[12:31] <skinux_>  So, Google Chrome offical cannot be installed on Ubuntu now?
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> skinux_: have you checked partner repo?
[12:32] <skinux_> Nope.
[12:32] <skinux_> Which one?
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> !partner | skinux_
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:59] <scatterp> https://pastebin.com/ddvAx1Kf can someone tell me how to make this a bash script where i can echo "hi" at the end i think its something to do with source command ?
[13:59] <ppang> I saw one weird thing just now... #F2F2F2 color is different in linux(arch, ubuntu, debian) then in windows(10, 8.1
[14:02] <greyline> hi all again
[14:02] <Robin___> Hello! Lets say I have a main.exe file in /home/user/. How can I execute it by only typing main and not main.exe? :) Thanks
[14:03] <greyline> I tried to upgrade from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS, and in the middle of the installing, the whole computer freezed... what to do?
[14:03] <Mr_Pan> try again or formatting and reinstalling
[14:04] <Mr_Pan> greyline, have you a separate /home ? if YES then fresh reinstalling
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> greyline: this is just why we suggested backups before right
[14:09] <greyline> lotuspsychje: I made backups
[14:09] <greyline> lotuspsychje: but it's still weird
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> greyline: did you have external ppa's added before upgrade?
[14:12] <greyline> lotuspsychje: I don't even know what is ppa
[14:12] <genii> !ppa
[14:12] <greyline> lotuspsychje: no, I didn't touched anything
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> greyline: at wich point did your upgrade freeze exactly? can you recall?
[14:13] <greyline> lotuspsychje: font symbol unzipping
[14:13] <greyline> lotuspsychje: I restarted the notebook, and obviously nothing appeared, just black screen
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> greyline: and you sure it freezed instead of just take long?
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> greyline: yeah aborting upgrades are pretty mortal
[14:14] <greyline> lotuspsychje: yeah, because I couldn't do anything... also the clock didn't refeshed at all, and I couldn't click to anywhere for 10-20 minutes
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> greyline: is there a specific reason why not just clean install 16.04?
[14:15] <greyline> lotuspsychje: because there's also a windows on that notebook, and I always afraid of removing existing things
[14:15] <greyline> lotuspsychje: but now ubuntu 17.04 is downloading
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> greyline: you choose for non-lts now?
[14:16] <greyline> lotuspsychje: well, I don't know which one should I use, because:
[14:16] <greyline> http://flatpak.org/getting.html
[14:17] <greyline> lotuspsychje: I don't know if flatpak is in 16.04 or not
[14:18] <greyline> lotuspsychje: I can see that flatpak thing is maybe for 16.04, but "A flatpak package is available in Ubuntu 16.10 and newer via universe" seems to mean that it's only available after 16.04
[14:18] <greyline> lotuspsychje: so I don't really understand this
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> greyline: you can add via ppa or indeed use flatpak zesty's version or higher
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> greyline: or use ubuntu's way snaps
[14:20] <greyline> lotuspsychje: snaps can't be used for monodevelop
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> greyline: you looking to install a specific package on flatpak?
[14:20] <greyline> lotuspsychje: I mean in that way I want to use that
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> right
[14:20] <greyline> lotuspsychje: well
[14:20] <lesshaste>  how can you cut out (or crop I suppose) a rectangular part of a pdf?
[14:21] <greyline> lotuspsychje: I refreshed mono to 5.2.0 in Raspberry Pi, but monodevelop can't be installed in the normal way (sudo apt-get install monodevelop), so I choosed to install mono 5.2 to an Ubuntu and install monodevelop for that
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> lesshaste: you can screenshot a rectangle?
[14:21] <greyline> lotuspsychje: but monodevelop for mono 5.2 needs flatpak
[14:21] <lesshaste> lotuspsychje, true
[14:21] <greyline> lotuspsychje: and flatpak doesn't exists in 14.04 ubuntu
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> !info flatpak artful
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> greyline: you can try 17.04 or 17.10 indeed
[14:23] <ioria> greyline, https://launchpad.net/~alexlarsson/+archive/ubuntu/flatpak ; btw, on xenial you can use snaps
[14:23] <lesshaste> lotuspsychje,  is there a nice graphical tool for that?
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> lesshaste: the ubuntu screenshot app, or kazam?
[14:24] <greyline> ioria: so it could be installed also to 14.04? after I f*cked up my ubuntu?
[14:25] <greyline> *before
[14:25] <ioria> greyline, yes, that ppa is available for 14.04 too
[14:25] <leftyfb> greyline: please watch the language (implied)
[14:26] <greyline> ioria: nice....
[14:27] <ioria> greyline, ah, you got a broken 14.04 > 16.04 install ...
[14:28] <greyline> ioria: yes... but maybe this whole thing could be missed and I would have a flatpak by now on 14.04...
[14:30] <leftyfb> btw, flatpack breaks the gnome keyring on Ubuntu 16.04
[14:30] <greyline> leftyfb: what does that mean?
[14:31] <leftyfb> greyline: google chrome passwords and other passwords saved in the keyring (like your ssh key) are not unlocked at boot.
[14:31] <greyline> leftyfb: I don't care about passwords.... if I can develop, that's cool
[14:31] <leftyfb> suit yourself
[14:32] <greyline> leftyfb: sorry, I'm very stressful for months
[14:33] <ioria> greyline,  you use flatpack ... for what ?  mono ?
[14:33] <greyline> ioria: monodevelop... because I can't use apt-get install monodevelop
[14:34] <ioria> greyline,  what version you need ?
[14:34] <greyline> ioria: from monodevelop? I don't know... the version, what can be used for mono 5.2.0
[14:35] <skinux_>   Why does Windows parititon get read-only error when Windows was shut down properly?
[14:36] <leftyfb> skinux_: Run an fsck(ntfsfix) on it
[14:39] <ioria> greyline,  may i ask you how did you install mono 5.2.0 on trusty ?
[14:44] <CrazyH> I'm tring to setup remote desktop access on my local machine. So I clickon Applications -> Internet -> Desktop Sharing and enable it there ( with a password ). I then use vncviewer  on a remote machine to connect. It says "server did not offer supported security type". Am I using the correct software for this, or do I need something diifferent?
[14:45] <garuda15> No, but maybe you should configure dconf
[14:46] <cek> it seems like xcb doesn't work properly with backspace+ shift . Any solutions for chromebook without del key?
[14:46] <CrazyH> garuda15, are you talking to me?
[14:46] <garuda15> Yea
[14:47] <CrazyH> garuda15, so what should I configure in dconf? ... There are kind of a LOT of settings in there
[14:49] <garuda15> I can't guide you, but there is so many threads on internet that discuss about it
[14:49] <garuda15> Hope will help
[14:49] <CrazyH> Ok, so first I just need to know the basics. Am I even using the righ software?
[14:50] <ioria> CrazyH, which is the server and which is the client ?
[14:52] <CrazyH> For the server I just Clicked on Applicaations -> Internet -> Desktop sharing and enabled it there. ( does this cause a remote desktop server to start up? ). On the client I'm running vncviewer
[14:52] <ioria> CrazyH,  ok, so the server is an ubuntu machine ? yes ?   ps -A | grep vino
[14:53] <CrazyH> Yes... that's why I'm asking in #Ubuntu :-P
[14:53] <GrandPa-G> for 16.04 server, what are suggestions to stop someone who is constantly trying to get in via ssh? I see entries in auth.log about every 5 seconds.
[14:54] <ioria> CrazyH,    ps -A | grep vino
[14:54] <EriC^^> GrandPa-G: why dont you change the ssh port?
[14:54] <almostdvs> GrandPa-G: fail2ban
[14:54] <GrandPa-G> EriC^^:they are not getting in and they are trying all ports.
[14:54] <CrazyH> ioria, /usr/lib/vino/vino-server --sm-disable          and         vino-preferences    are running
[14:55] <garuda15> CrazyH, check my pm
[14:55] <ioria> CrazyH,    that's not its output ...
[14:57] <CrazyH> ioria, https://pastebin.com/wX91gh4V
[14:58] <ioria> CrazyH,    ps -A | grep vino
[14:59] <CrazyH> ioria, https://pastebin.com/XvGhjgW4
[15:01] <ioria> CrazyH,   ok, you can close vino-preferences .... and the client ? why not using vinagre ?
[15:04] <CrazyH> probably because I don't know what viagre is
[15:04] <ioria> CrazyH,   vinagre it's the client side of vino-server
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> !info vinagre
[15:05] <ioria> CrazyH,   so you don't need to disable encryption
[15:05] <CrazyH> ioria, garuda15: Thanks! I got it working
[15:05] <ioria> CrazyH,   ok
[15:06] <CrazyH> ioria, yeah... the encryption bug was the issue. I'm guessing the vinagre is maybe a vnc server that doesn't have the encryption bug?
[15:06] <ioria> CrazyH,   idk, i guess vinagre it's better for interface vino that other sw that require to se require-encryption false
[15:07] <ioria> CrazyH,   and vinagre i's a client not a server
[15:07] <CrazyH> Now I have to out how to properly set the screen scaling and all of that :-/
[15:07] <CrazyH> *figure out
[15:12] <greyline> I have two systems, an Ubuntu and a Windows. Always the GNU Grub appears and I can't go into BIOS. (or maybe just the keyboard has some problems, I don't know). What to do?
[15:16] <almostdvs> greyline: bios is before grub; you need to send the appropriate keys on the splash
[15:16] <leftyfb> greyline: GRUB loads after POST. During POST is when you hit a key to get into the BIOS.
[15:16] <almostdvs> POST that's what i was trying to think of :)
[15:16] <greyline> almostdvs: this is always the hardest part... how to get into BIOS in an unknown ASUS notebook
[15:17] <greyline> almostdvs: I tried F10, F11, DEL, F1, F2
[15:17] <greyline> almostdvs: also F9
[15:17] <almostdvs> google says f2
[15:18] <untoreh> hello I have a bluetooth dongle but not controllers are listed, lsusb shows the "cambridge silicon radio..." kernel modules loaded, bluetooth service started
[15:22] <CrazyH> Cool, it looks liek vinage vnc client can do scaling properly :-)
[15:22] <CrazyH> *vinagre
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> CrazyH: just be carefull with vnc ok, its a big security thread
[15:24] <CrazyH> lotuspsychje, yeah, I understand. I'm only enbling it temporarily for a scenario when it will not be connected to any network. One computer i literally plugged into the other with a cat5 cable.
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> CrazyH: allrighty
[15:25] <ioria> untoreh, hcitool dev
[15:37] <wlawlibrary> how come bash does not like echo instructions and what is the alternate syntax?
[15:38] <nacc> wlawlibrary: do you want #bash? (or ##bash, I forget)
[15:38] <EriC^^> wlawlibrary: what echo instructions?
[15:39] <wlawlibrary> i wanted to add an entry to the system's dynamic library path and then run ldconfig
[15:41] <ioria> with sudo ?
[15:41] <nacc> wlawlibrary: those are unrelated things, potentially
[15:41] <nacc> if you mean LD_LIBRARY_PATH, just set it, ldconfig is not related
[15:41] <nacc> if you mean ldconfig, then edit, as root /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ and then run ldconfig
[15:43] <ksIRC> g'morning
[15:51] <untoreh> ioria: no devices listed
[15:55] <untoreh> ioria: https://pastebin.com/raw/jDrY1Q5R
[16:04] <ioria> untoreh,  lsusb | grep Radio
[16:06] <ioria> untoreh,  sorry, reading ...
[16:07] <untoreh> ioria: result is the same only that entry is shown
[16:09] <ioria> untoreh,  yeah, blueman and bluez are installed ?   also can you , unplug , replug and paste  dmesg | tail ?
[16:13] <darkad> hi all, has someone compared the lxqt vs the lxde perfromances?
[16:13] <ioria> darkad, yeah, better lxde
[16:14] <untoreh> ioria: http://sprunge.us/RUbP
[16:17] <ioria> untoreh,  usbhid 3-1:1.4: can't add hid device: -71
[16:18] <darkad> ioria: do you think that with the same distro an application could improve its performance if I run it in different desktop environments?
[16:20] <darkad> ioria: for example qupzilla is qt based, like lxqt
[16:20] <ioria> darkad, yep
[16:31] <darkad> ioria: i would like to test different desktop environments
[16:31] <darkad> ioria: should I install them n top of ubuntu core?
[16:33] <ioria> darkad, if you need lx*, you probably are on low specs... i have not tested all the apps in lxqt, but for me lxde is faster
[16:34] <darkad> Ioria, I understand
[16:35] <darkad> Does anyone tired to install a ubuntu core and after a desktop environment?
[16:36] <darkad> ioria, thanks for suggestion
[16:36] <ioria> darkad, ok,  for core you mean a minimal install ?
[16:38] <darkad> ioria, ioria, yes
[16:39] <ioria> darkad, ok,  no proble, with mini installed, then you can install whatever de you want... but as i said, depends on your hw
[16:40] <ioria> darkad, e.g, i would not install kubuntu-desktop  with a p4 , 1g ram
[16:41] <darkad> ioria, I tried openbox
[16:41] <ducasse> darkad: be aware that ubuntu core is a completely different thing from a minimal install
[16:42] <ioria> darkad,  openbox is a wm not a de ....
[16:42] <darkad> ducasse: thank you
[16:43] <darkad> Ioria, I need just something on top of X11
[16:43] <ioria> darkad,  ok
[16:45] <dka> I have this error: " iptables-restore: not found" what do i need to install ?
[16:50] <ZoRedact> So I set up a mic loopback thing to allow me to have a decent amount of situational awareness in my room. Apparently the loopback is running twice with a couple millisecond delay, so I sound like one of the AIs from Mass Effect whenever I talk on Discord. Pretty weird.
[16:51] <ZoRedact> Nobody else hears it though, just local.
[17:00] <Exagone313> quick question, the ubuntu variants' iso (e.g. for lubuntu) do have support for EFI right?
[17:00] <EriC^^> Exagone313: correct
[17:00] <Exagone313> if I remember well, it wasn't the case before
[17:00] <Exagone313> ok thanks
[17:01] <EriC^^> the mini iso's dont
[17:01] <Exagone313> ok
[17:02] <Exagone313> oh about that, is there another iso, like minimal (maybe server?) that can be used to get a tty on a live cd, without having a big desktop live cd? and with efi support
[17:02] <EriC^^> Exagone313: yes server will work
[17:03] <EriC^^> not sure about the tty though, i've never installed a server iso before
[17:03] <EriC^^> try #ubuntu-server to know for sure
[17:03] <Exagone313> I did, but I don't remember having a choice for going to a terminal
[17:03] <alkisg> Exagone313: you can also tell the live cd to boot in text mode
[17:04] <Exagone313> alkisg: yeah but it's big, that was the point
[17:04] <alkisg> ok
[17:04] <EriC^^> ctrl+alt+f1 didn't work?
[17:04] <hyltixa> server should work fine. Try'd it out a few weeks ago Exagone313
[17:04] <Exagone313> maybe I could fire up a vm and download it, but well
[17:05] <evio> So I have a simple script, that sends an email. WHen I set up a cronjob to run said script every minute, it works just find. However, when I change it to @reboot, the mail does not get delivered. When i check the logs I see "MAIL (mailed x bytes of output but got status 0x0001 from MTA#12"
[17:05] <alkisg> Exagone313: there's also https://netboot.xyz/ which allows booting from the net directly
[17:05] <alkisg> ...if you don't want to download much
[17:05] <Exagone313> evio: you can also use the systemd way
[17:05] <mahakal> Hey guys,can anyone here refer me to a quality  database of linux questions
[17:05] <Exagone313> mahakal: google?
[17:06] <Exagone313> with the right keywords
[17:06] <Exagone313> you can just ask your questions about ubuntu right here
[17:07] <evio> Exagone313: Yeah, but at this point I'm pretty frustrated that the cronjob wont work, and I've managed to find no information about it
[17:07] <mahakal> Exagone: you are right but you miss the word "quality" database, i want to use it with bot
[17:07] <ducasse> evio: setting stuff to run at @reboot is really messy, use a systemd service unit instead.
[17:07] <ducasse> mahakal: this is really offtopic here, try #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[17:10] <untoreh> ioria: that errors does not happen anymore still no bluetooth
[17:13] <mahakal> ducasse:i have to make a database of 1000 entries ,the usual way of "Insert into table values ..." is very tedious, how can i just make a file and then make make sqlite3 to make a database from it
[17:14] <alkisg> mahakal: /j #sqlite ?
[17:15] <mahakal> alkisg: ohh yeah ,actually i tried #sql but no  response thee
[17:15] <mahakal> but thank to point that out
[17:15] <alkisg> np
[17:17] <nacc> mahakal: did you read any of the online documentation?
[17:17] <nacc> https://sqlite.org/cli.html
[17:17] <nacc> feels like you couldn't have.
[17:17] <mahakal> nacc: actually i dont know about the "correct keyword" to use for search thats why
[17:18] <mahakal> nacc: i have read docs about c api for dat
[17:21] <torontoyes> I have an issue when installing a saltminion, I get the following dpkg: error
[17:21] <nacc> mahakal: i googled for 'sqlite3 read flat file for database'
[17:22] <torontoyes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25634595/
[17:22] <nacc> torontoyes: what is the command you ran and what versio of ubuntu?
[17:24] <torontoyes> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[17:24] <alkisg> torontoyes: the version of autofs doesn't match, maybe you're running 12.04?
[17:25] <nacc> and an out of date one of that
[17:25] <nacc> as 5.2 is what is in -updates (or was)
[17:25] <nacc> 12.04 is eol, in any case
[17:25] <torontoyes> sorry.. running Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[17:25] <ioria> untoreh, maybe i'am wrong, but there is no 0a12:1020 ; you should have  0a12:0001  http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids
[17:25] <nacc> torontoyes: not according to what you pasted
[17:26] <alkisg> torontoyes: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=autofs
[17:26] <tony1> does ubuntu support samba inotify?
[17:26] <tony1> I cant seem to make it work
[17:27] <torontoyes> The command I was running was: sudo salt-ssh -i --priv='./.ssh/id_rsa' --roster-file='./roster3' '*' state.sls install-minion
[17:28] <nacc> tony1: is that actually supported?
[17:28] <nacc> tony1: (upstream) -- documentation?
[17:28] <nacc> tony1: i thought CIFS was the only way to do it, and that functionality was removed a whilea go
[17:28] <torontoyes> So.. I'm running an older version of autofs on 14.04?
[17:28] <nacc> torontoyes: we don't kow
[17:28] <nacc> *knonw
[17:28] <torontoyes> lol.
[17:29] <alkisg> torontoyes: what's the output of this? apt policy autofs
[17:30] <tony1> nacc: I don't know? I see it in the conf file and mention of it in the samba docs. if it was removed from cifs.mount than that explains it
[17:30] <alkisg> apt-cache policy autofs
[17:31] <nacc> tony1: can you point me to the docs?
[17:32] <nacc> tony1: reading `man inotify`: "As a result, it does not catch remote events that occur on network filesystems."
[17:32] <tony1> nacc: let me look I will read man inotify in a while
[17:32] <torontoyes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25634640/
[17:33] <alkisg> torontoyes: as you can see, you're installing a version that isn't from the ubuntu repositories
[17:34] <alkisg> Try just `apt-get install autofs`
[17:34] <tony1> nacc: here is one place, look for change notify = yes https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/manpages-3/smb.conf.5.html
[17:35] <torontoyes> alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25634653/
[17:35] <nacc> tony1: that's internal to samba, afaict
[17:35] <alkisg> torontoyes: apt-get -f install autofs autofs5
[17:36] <nacc> tony1: that is your samba server, which is hosting out directories, gets notified of changes by inotify, and sends a smb-specific message to smb clients
[17:36] <nacc> tony1: also, i have to believe those docs are ancient
[17:37] <nacc> tony1: samba3?
[17:37] <tony1> nacc: so probably the samba server supports it but as you mentioned the client does not. yea smb3.0
[17:37] <nacc> tony1: yeah
[17:38] <tony1> nacc: thanks, ill read that man page now
[17:39] <freeone3000> I'm trying to upgrade from Ubuntu 15.10 to 16.04 LTS. `do-release-upgrade` gets the correct version, but fails with 'the required dependency apt (>= <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2) is not installed'. `apt-get install apt` says there's no newer version available. How can I perform this upgrade?
[17:39] <evio> Exagone313: ducasse: Now the problem is that when running it on startup with systemd, it apperantly cant resolve the DNS for the mx (Unable to locate smtp.x.com)... Is it by any chance trying to run it before setting up networking?
[17:39] <nacc> !eolupgrade | freeone3000
[17:40] <nacc> freeone3000: 15.10 has been eol for a while now
[17:40] <freeone3000> nacc: Well, yes, which is why I want to move this machine to 16.04.
[17:40] <nacc> freeone3000: so you need to follow the eol upgrade procedure
[17:40] <Exagone313> evio: enable the target network-online.target and add After=network-online.target in the [Unit] section
[17:42] <evio> Exagone313: Could you please go into a bit more detail on "enable the target network-online.target"?
[17:43] <Exagone313> evio: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/
[17:54] <GrandPa-G> Good place to ask about fail2ban and in particular the value/method to best report abuse IP?
[18:05] <vivus> hello all. what is libcairo2-dev used for?
[18:07] <vivus> okay I know now.
[18:07] <vivus> graphics lib
[18:13] <Bashing-om> vivus: :) apt show libcairo2-dev .
[18:14] <vivus> installing it pulls the entire py2 XD
[18:18] <vlt> Hello. I replaced my /home/ line in fstab with an NFS mount using the very same block device mounted on the NFS server and the /etc/exports example line "/srv/homes  hostname1(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)"
[18:19] <vlt> Now the behaviour is sometimes different than before. For example when root tries to backup stuff.
[18:19] <vlt> Any idea how to get a fully transparent NFS mount?
[18:22] <nacc> vlt: what is different?
[18:22] <nacc> vlt: you could not have describe the issue more vaguely :)
[18:22] <ducasse> vlt: you most likely want no_root_squash, see the exports man page
[18:23] <TBotNik> All: Having wifi connect issue. Write up at: https://pastebin.com/Db5LGFdz. Please help! Need resolution ASAP! Can only reach inet via phone and that's not good.
[18:24] <ducasse> TBotNik: please don't crosspost, it's rude and unnecessary
[18:25] <TBotNik> Duccasse: Rude is no one answering!
[18:25] <nacc> TBotNik: we are all volunteers. No one is obligated here to help you.
[18:26] <ducasse> TBotNik: nobody here is being paid, you are welcome to seek commercial support elsewhere
[18:27] <BluesKaj> another annoying post with urls posted in the pastebin ...TBotNik , may you should just tell us what is or isn't happening
[18:27] <TBotNik> Understand! But a simple "we don't know" helps. Then the person needing help can look at other channels and won't get a "cross posting" comment.
[18:28] <BluesKaj> crossposting pastebin with links isn't gonna get much response
[18:28] <vlt> nacc: I get different file access errors from tasks performed by root.
[18:29] <nacc> vlt: root's home is not in /home
[18:29] <vlt> ducasse: no_root_squash sees to solve that!
[18:29] <nacc> vlt: still super vague, btw
[18:29] <nacc> vlt: in the future, use a pastebin and actually show commands and errors
[18:29] <oerheks> TBotNik, edit/remove the profile in networkmanager, and setup fresh ?
[18:30] <TBotNik> blueskaj: I've been posting this over and over for the last 8 weeks. Typing all that out would drive me insane, since typing on a phone is only at the "hunt n peck" level!
[18:30] <vlt> nacc: One example error I got: "Permission denied [lstat(/home/mt/.config/mate/eom)])"
[18:30] <freeone3000> TBotNik: Looks like you're connected to a wifi network. Sounds like you're connected to the wrong one.
[18:35] <TBotNik> oerheks: nope not a "connection" issue. Connects fine but that Metro Hotspot app screwed something in the config that has totally screwed dhclient. Run the "dhclient wlan0" cmd and it runs a full 10 min, aborts and sets the ip to the previous default, which is not working. Since I'm totally "offline" have to fix without the inet connection. Just don't know what to look for.
[18:36] <freeone3000> you could pcap and look if you're getting a dhcpoffer in response to your dhcprequest
[18:37] <freeone3000> dhcpclient takes -vvv which could also give useful information here.
[18:37] <freeone3000> could also just skip dhcp and use static configuration for your IP, since you're at home and know your own network.
[18:38] <TBotNik> All: Sorry can only use the AndroidIRC app so no access to all the help channels and there is no channel search on this app!
[18:38] <oerheks> TBotNik, ask them for support?
[18:38] <superherointj> Hello. I had this PC w/ a Dell S2716DG monitor running on a GTX 780 Ti and I installed Ubuntu 17.04. But the screen on Ubuntu is too bright or too tiring it's hard to explain but I feel that something is wrong on Windows it is fine but when I boot to Ubuntu I can feel it again. I have searched for a brightness option on Ubuntu but I haven't found it. I wonder if it is some backlight issue or even some driver issue. Any idea of what might be
[18:38] <superherointj> causing this?
[18:39] <freeone3000> superherointj: brightness-controller should be available
[18:39] <superherointj> I have installed it but that doesn't solve this problem I am talking about. I think it is some sort of backlight issue or driver issue.
[18:40] <EriC^^> superherointj: did you try dimming the backlight a bit?
[18:40] <superherointj> How?
[18:40] <superherointj> Directly on the monitor, yes.
[18:40] <superherointj> But then it becomes too dark. Really weird.
[18:40] <EriC^^> superherointj: install "xbacklight"
[18:41] <TBotNik> Freeone3000: Sorry whatever got changed disallows static. Besides can only run via my phone hotspot app which is "Free Wifi Hotspot"!
[18:41] <EriC^^> superherointj: then try "xbacklight -10%"
[18:42] <tony1> TBotNik: sounds like a dns issue
[18:42] <TBotNik> Dont get to see what the ip range is on that hotspot app!
[18:43] <superherointj> Tried it. Brightness simply doesn't change, not with -dec and not with -set.
[18:44] <superherointj> EriC^^, tried exactly the command you suggested but it didn't work.
[18:44] <superherointj> I wonder if my monitor is lacking a driver for backlight or something like that.
[18:44] <EriC^^> superherointj: try "echo 3000 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness"
[18:45] <TBotNik> tony1: Exactly! Thank you Bro. I think if I know which file in the config to look at and edit this can be a simple fix but clueless myself on where to look!
[18:46] <tony1> i forgot with your version but on 16.04 you can use systemd-resolve --status to see the dns server in use
[18:46] <superherointj> "xrandr --output DP-1 --brightness 0.7" changed brightness. But still not sure it is same I'm getting on Windows.
[18:47] <superherointj> '/sys/class/backlight/' folder is empty.
[18:48] <superherointj> EriC^^, what does it mean '/sys/class/backlight/' being empty?
[18:49] <EriC^^> superherointj: hmm i dont know
[18:49] <EriC^^> superherointj: maybe the guys in ##linux know more about it
[18:49] <superherointj> Right. Thanks.
[18:50] <EriC^^> superherointj: quick google search says it might mean the kernel thinks you have a crt screen attached
[18:51] <EriC^^> superherointj: try sudo find /sys/ -type f -iname '*brightness*'
[18:54] <superherointj> EriC^^, https://pastebin.com/raw/u1R5Nitd
[18:54] <TBotNik> tony1: How would you fix this issue? Remember I cannot uninstall/reinstall without the inet connection, so can only find/edit the right file.
[18:55] <EriC^^> superherointj: hmm i was hoping to find a /backlight dir there
[18:56] <TBotNik> tony1: I'm 14.04 LTS
[18:57] <oerheks> "Metro Hotspot app" ...
[18:58] <TBotNik> oerheks: Yeah friend used that to connect, when using my machine and now can't use inet.
[19:00] <TBotNik> tony1: the 16.04 cmd is not available on 14.04.
[19:03] <TBotNik> tony1 & oerheks: I run wicd and my "Free Wifi Hotspot" app is connected but cannot ping anything or run traffic.
[19:04] <TBotNik> Gotta run! Try again later!
[19:10] <niggasbedumb> i was trying to get tor browswer as default but this system wide instructions does not work. https://askubuntu.com/questions/542372/set-tor-browser-as-default-browser
[19:11] <Gencade> niggasbedumb: That name though
[19:11] <niggasbedumb> what name
[19:11] <Gencade> your name
[19:11] <niggasbedumb> what you mean whats wrong with it
[19:11] <Gencade> It's childish.
[19:11] <niggasbedumb> k
[19:11] <niggasbedumb> back to my question
[19:12] <Gencade> Figure it out yourself
[19:12] <nacc> I believe there are policies about offensive nicks
[19:12] <Gencade> !ops niggasbedumb
[19:13] <nacc> Gencade: not sure it qualifies as an emergency
[19:13] <ioria> niggasbedumb, do you see the little gear icon in the top panel far right ? press it -> About this Computer -> Default Applications
[19:13] <niggasbedumb> rofl
[19:13] <Gencade>  nacc Didn't know it was for emergencies exclusively
[19:13] <Gencade> my mistake
[19:15] <ducasse> niggasbedumb: if you did change your nick to something less offensive, maybe people would actually help you...
[19:15] <niggasbedumb> ioria i see it but how do i add a choice thats not really installed like tor browser
[19:15] <niggasbedumb> someone is helping me thanks ducasse
[19:15] <ioria> oh, my bad
[19:16] <niggasbedumb> how you add the option for a browswer thats not really installed?
[19:16] <cek> anyone dealt with xkb key remap?
[19:17] <niggasbedumb> ioria how you add an option to that drop down box for default browser
[19:17] <Gencade> ioria: Why are you helping this guy?  Lol
[19:18] <ioria> Gencade, ioria> oh, my bad
[19:18] <niggasbedumb> maybe cause its a ubuntu help room
[19:18] <sruli> i have a user .backup, (not a normally allowed character in user name but easy enough to create) when i try to see if the user is logged in with "w" or "who" it will not show this user, i guess it might be to do with the dot however i beleive this has serious security implications
[19:20] <Ben64> it's an ubuntu help room, with policies against language and stuff like that
[19:21] <ducasse> niggasbedumb: i'm pretty sure your problem would be solved already if you followed the guidelines
[19:21] <niggasbedumb> dont worry ducasse hang tight
[19:22] <ducasse> cek: what is the actual question?
[19:22] <paul_> hey guys, has anyone had much success upgrading unity 17.04 to 17.10 via terminal incluing switching to gnome or does it need to be done via a fresh install?
[19:22] <cek> how to remap backspace to del when modifier is pressed/
[19:22] <Gencade> Seems kinda counter-intuitive to ask for help, and also at the same time alienate people that could potentially help him by using annoying childish language.
[19:23] <Heph_> if i recall correctly, apps need to supply some sort of app bundle for Unity (or Gnome in 17.10) to pick it up.
[19:23] <cek> i'm getting "2~" in term currently instead of DEL
[19:23] <Heph_> idk if Tor isnt supplying it or installing it in the wrong place, but.
[19:23] <Heph_> Should be included in the .deb pkg.
[19:24] <ducasse> paul_: the upgrade should switch you to gnome, but support for 17.10 belongs in #ubuntu+1
[19:24] <paul_> thankyou, ill switch chanels
[19:25] <Heph_> only for a few weeks more :> been using 17.10 since it was released as a nightly build, im enjoying the progress. i really like the new dock.
[19:25] <Heph_> and the reworked control center
[19:25] <sruli> even uptime shows only 1 user logged in and both users are logged in
[19:40] <electrostatic> So, I have been qorking on debugging issues on a dell 4 nic gb card in a poweredge running 16.04
[19:41] <electrostatic> when I use ethtool -s to turn autonegotiation off on 2 of the nics and set them to 100 full duplex
[19:41] <electrostatic> the other ones drop in speed to <=10mbps
[19:41] <electrostatic> ANyone heard of that before?
[19:45] <electrostatic> nice, I was disconnected
[19:46] <oerheks> y
[19:49] <electrostatic> ik why I was disconnected
[19:49] <electrostatic> *idk
[19:53] <electrostatic> going further, I used ifconfig to turn eno2 through 4 down
[19:53] <electrostatic> and thne am testing with just eno1
[19:54] <electrostatic> with eno1 autonegotiation off speed 100 duplex full
[19:54] <electrostatic> the speed drops to 400kbps
[19:54] <screwefi> does boot-repair support encryption and EFI?
[19:54] <screwefi> I'm in a bit of a bind and have deleted my efi files for ubuntu while mI was trying to fix refind
[19:55] <ducasse> screwefi: just reinstall the right grub-efi package
[19:56] <screwefi> ducasse: Is this after manually decrypting my drives?
[19:56] <screwefi> I believe I also have to chroot into the installed systems as well
[19:56] <ducasse> yes to both
[19:58] <electrostatic> Ok, it seems to work in forced half duplex
[19:58] <electrostatic> I find it odd that a 1000base t can't do full correctly
[19:58] <screwefi> Alright, let me give that a go ducasse
[19:59] <electrostatic> not a world ender though
[20:00] <herbmillerjr> Is there a way to disable nm-applet's password dialog popup for wireless networks?
[20:01] <ducasse> screwefi: you probably want grub-efi-amd64, or grub-efi-ia32 if you have a 32-bit uefi
[20:02] <screwefi> I have 64 bit
[20:02] <screwefi> So I've mounted everything and chrooted.
[20:02] <screwefi> I didn't mount the EFI drive though
[20:02] <screwefi> Just the boot partition
[20:02] <screwefi> Should I mount the EFI drive as well?
[20:04] <ducasse> yes, under the boot partition and your root fs
[20:05] <mindofmateo> Hi. I'm using 16.04 and my UI has frozen. I used my phone to ssh in and kill the task I was using (just editing a text document in terminal) but it's still frozen. I can move the cursor and access the TTY consoles with ctrl alt F1 etc.  How do I reenable the desktop? I can move the cursor and I can see the keyboard do some things (caps, numbers loc
[20:05] <mindofmateo> k toggles) and holding alt still shows the terminal menu, but that's it.
[20:06] <screwefi> Thanks ducasse
[20:06] <leftyfb> mindofmateo: sudo reboot
[20:06] <screwefi> https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/reinstalling-grub2-efi-partition
[20:06] <screwefi> So this suggests running grub-install
[20:06] <ducasse> mindofmateo: restart x
[20:06] <screwefi> Should I actually install the grub efi package instead?
[20:06] <ducasse> screwefi: just two different ways of getting the same result
[20:06] <screwefi> kk
[20:07] <screwefi> Because it says already installed and latest version when  try to install
[20:07] <screwefi> Alright time to reboot and pray
[20:08] <mindofmateo> Will restarting X close all the windows? Do I just need to get a new computer? IDK why I have these problems. I feel like a retard or something. IDK if it's sketching I'm doing or what.  I can always restart it, but it's such a PitA to deal with these seemingly unsolvable issues.
[20:09] <electrostatic> OK, I can now run my network cards at different speeds without issue
[20:09] <mindofmateo> I was in terminal using nano to type some notes and right clicked to paste, then it just stopped working.
[20:09] <electrostatic> now the real question
[20:09] <electrostatic> Has anyone here got Virtbox 5.1 wokring on 16.04?
[20:10] <electrostatic> It is downright hard to get the 5.1 kernel drivers installed and synced with the 5.1 package
[20:10] <electrostatic> and 5.0 does not support win 10
[20:10] <electrostatic> (which we need. This is a work thing.  Moving all our legacy windows apps to a sandbox)
[20:11] <Aristide> Hello !
[20:12] <electrostatic> Hello
[20:12] <Aristide> I get again « > /usr/bin/compiz (core) - Debug: dlopen failed: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/compiz/libdecor.so: undefined symbol: decor_window_property » into compiz, and window decoractor can't be used
[20:12] <Aristide> I have try many window decorator (gtk, and compiz-decorator) but without success
[20:13] <mindofmateo> If I start X from another tty, will I be able to access my work in the one that's frozen?
[20:19] <qswz> I'm rusty with terminal
[20:19] <qswz> isn't echo 4 > /some/file
[20:19] <qswz> going to write 4 in that file?
[20:20] <electrostatic> it will replace that file with 4
[20:20] <dka> I need help to get in bash the ip address that does not start with "172" or "127" or "192" https://regex101.com/r/NSHR0Z/1
[20:21] <qswz> ok
[20:21] <electrostatic> to add 4 into it it would be echo 4 >> /somefile
[20:21] <qswz> ok thanky
[20:22] <qswz> http://dpaste.com/0QTDY4P
[20:22] <qswz> hmm
[20:23] <Ben64> dka: might want to ask in #bash
[20:23] <qswz> doesn't work with sudo
[20:23] <qswz> dka: hold on
[20:23] <qswz> loves regexes
[20:23] <nacc> qswz: you should use /bin/echo if you want it
[20:23] <nacc> qswz: otherwise you're using the bash builtin possibly
[20:23] <qswz> nacc: ah thx
[20:23] <nacc> qswz: but even so, that assumes said file is writeable
[20:23] <nacc> not all are
[20:24] <Ben64> to do that with sudo you'll need to do 'echo 4 >> sudo tee -a file'
[20:24] <qswz> nacc: same
[20:24] <Ben64> wait i messed up
[20:24] <qswz> ok
[20:24] <Ben64> 'echo 4 | sudo tee -a file'
[20:24] <qswz> ok thanks much
[20:25] <qswz> dka /^(?!172|127|192)/
[20:28] <qswz> https://regex101.com/r/NSHR0Z/2
[20:29] <qswz> the {3} is hacky, but I'm not much inspired
[20:31] <qswz> Ben64: nice
[20:36] <grym> i need to recompile my kernel (4.4.38) for armv8 and include swap file support.  Where is this option in the menus that `make menuconfig` give you?
[20:36] <grym> (ubuntu 16.04)
[20:37] <grym> or rather, is it General> support for paging of anonymous memory
[20:38] <nacc> grym: wrong channel (not support)
[20:38] <nacc> grym: to be clear, building your kernel isn't supported (the result is not, for sure). And what you want is probably best found in a kernel channel (#kernelnewbies on OFTC?)
[20:39] <grym> i seee.
[20:39] <grym> fwiw that's not intiuitive for a chan whose topic says it's the support channel
[20:39] <grym> but, ok
[20:40] <nacc> grym: *ubuntu* support chanel
[20:40] <grym> yes?  and i'm running 16.04 ..
[20:41] <nacc> grym: and trying to build and install a non-ubuntu kernel.
[20:41] <nacc> which would not be supported
[20:41] <qswz> dka: I'm asking it in #regex
[20:42] <dka> sorry
[20:42] <dka> I am testing the possibilities
[20:42] <dka> do you know how I can replace only the 2nd occurence with sed ?
[20:42] <dka> or the one next line of "dns" string
[20:42] <nacc> dka: seems like you should move to #regex
[20:42] <nacc> not really an ubuntu support topic at this point
[20:43] <mindofmateo> I wasn't able to figure anything out with my frozen X situation, so again... I had to do a hard reboot.  Now when I log in there are two alerts saying there is a system problem, and ask if I'd like to report the issue.  I rebooted twice to see, and yes, it happened both times.  The other thing is, when I rebooted, my monitors are not the configured
[20:43] <mindofmateo>  the same anymore.  The sizes/scales did not match, and now, no matter how I size them the menu text is small.
[20:43] <KeyboardNotFound> Is it safe to resize LUKS on LVM partition ?
[20:53] <pavlos> qswz: re the echo thing, try echo 4 > sudo tee /proc/...
[20:55] <pavlos> qswz: sorry, pipe symbol, try echo 4 | sudo tee /proc/...
[20:55] <geirha> that will write   "4 tee /proc/..." to a file named sudo
[20:56] <pavlos> geirha: yes, my typo
[20:56] <un2him> Seems like the final beta is somewhat late.  Supposed to be released today.
[20:57] <un2him> But I did notice daily builds haven't updated, so maybe they are already on beta and just haven't made the official announcement yet.
[21:19] <qswz> pavlos: ok simpler
[21:28] <ixixix> hello all
[21:28] <ixixix> quick question
[21:28] <ixixix> Ubuntu Server 16.04
[21:29] <ixixix> is it normal that I get a blank screen after GRUB loads the OS?
[21:31] <Bashing-om> ixixix: it is and it isn't . the black screen while the driver loads . then should show the selected greeter .
[21:31] <bethany7010> ixixix: have you tried ALT + F1 through Fn?
[21:31] <nacc> well, server doesn't have a greeter by default
[21:31] <nacc> (no desktop, i mean)
[21:32] <bethany7010> or maybe CTRL + ALT + Fn
[21:32] <ixixix> I did try alt+f1. totally blank screen still
[21:32] <ixixix> I'll try ctrl+alt+f1
[21:33] <mindofmateo> When I restarted (16.04)  the display properties changed.  I have two monitors, and they were set up to match.  Once I logged in, they didn't match, and now when I set the configuration to what it was before, it doesn't look the same.  For example, the terminal emulator window is smaller, and if I zoom in, it's bigger, and even then you can't save
[21:33] <mindofmateo> the zoom level to your terminal profile.  Why would my display settings change when I rebooted?
[21:33] <ixixix> my box stopped accepting ssh connections today and i'm trying to troubleshoot it
[21:35] <ixixix> no luck with ctrl+alt+F1
[21:36] <ixixix> is there some setting I should set in the grub config to boot to console?
[21:37] <ixixix> I'm booting it in UEFI mode and the settings don't look like anything I can find on google
[21:39] <ixixix> It worked just fine until this morning, then I powered off the box
[21:39] <pavlos> ixixix: uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL
[21:40] <ixixix> thanks pavlos
[21:40] <ixixix> trying that now
[21:42] <pavlos> ixixix: you may have to edit, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="text"
[21:42] <ixixix> uhm, there's no such line in the grub editor
[21:42] <ixixix> can I add that at any point in the config?
[21:42] <ixixix> at the top or at the bottom?
[21:42] <pavlos> ixixix: I thought you'd edit /etc/default/grub
[21:42] <nacc> pavlos: i don't believe they can get to their OS
[21:43] <ixixix> i cannot
[21:43] <ixixix> i mean, I can get to recovery mode
[21:44] <pavlos> ixixix: seems I gave wrong advice, sorry. Thanks nacc
[21:44] <nacc> pavlos: np, it was a bit confusing :)
[21:45] <ixixix> I'm looking at the grub editor just prior to boot
[21:45] <ixixix> pressed "e" on the ubuntu entry
[21:49] <ixixix> https://i.imgur.com/M4g1eru.jpg
[21:50] <ixixix> is there somethin I can add here to force booting locally into console?
[21:52] <Bashing-om> ixixix: ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target ' but on you to start any other desired services .
[21:54] <ixixix> Thanks Bashing-om. I assume all services will start as usual once I revert the change?
[21:55] <Bashing-om> ixixix: Once ya start in terminal . then no, you will have to start what else you want . networking for instance .
[21:56] <ixixix> ok
[21:57] <ixixix> but I mean if I reboot and then remove the multi-user.target option from grub
[21:57] <ixixix> then it will start as before, wit all the services, will it?
[22:07] <TheWild> hello
[22:08] <TheWild> Live Ubuntu 16.04.
[22:08] <TheWild> Suspend when inactive for: Don't suspend
[22:08] <TheWild> When the lid is closed: Do nothing
[22:08] <TheWild> what will happen when I close the lid and leave the computer for night?
[22:09] <nacc> TheWild: will it be plugged in?
[22:09] <TheWild> it's plugged to the main power.
[22:10] <nacc> TheWild: then I presume nothingn will happe if the above settings work when you close and open the lid?
[22:12] <Bashing-om> ixixix: Then yes, The boot parameter is a one time thing .
[22:13] <TheWild> yesterday I closed the lid and when woke up, the system... suspended? I could still hear the fan noise, but the system wasn't reacting on keypresses (not even SysRq/O was shutting it down). However, when I pressed power button, it immediately powered the backlight and started displaying things, accepting keyboard input again. But most of my mountpoints became broken.
[22:14] <TheWild> I thought I forgot to set power settings properly. However, when I booted live system again, it has the power settings initially set to Don't suspend and Do nothing.
[22:15] <TheWild> sooo... what? Is the power management broken as in Xubuntu 16.04?
[22:15] <mcphail> Did it overheat? Leaving a laptop running with the lid closed isn't great for airflow
[22:16] <TheWild> hmm... maybe, but wouldn't it hardly hung the computer? It woke up immediately when I pressed power button.
[22:17] <nacc> I *believe* some vendors still react to the ACPI event of the lid closure, regardless of software settings. E.g., I can imagine some ports getting turned off, etc.
[22:18] <nacc> TheWild: this one is relatively hard to debug and using a live sessionn, arguably, makes it even harder
[22:19] <mcphail> TheWild: there's also the  "Turn off screen when inactive for:" setting in brightness&lock. Have you set that to "Never"?
[22:19] <TheWild> hmm, if it turned USB ports off that time, it could explain why it wasn't reacting to USB keyboard.
[22:19] <TheWild> Turn screen off when inactive for: Never
[22:19] <nacc> TheWild: it was just a guess -- also vendors are terrible at doing anything to spec
[22:21] <coldfrothy> I have lots noob questions about building a computer with Ubuntu compatibility. Where should I ask them?
[22:21]  * TheWild closes his laptop's lid
[22:22] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic or ##hardware coldfrothy
[22:22]  * TheWild opens lid again
[22:22] <bazhang> TheWild, is that necessary
[22:23] <TheWild> okay, I'm still here. So... something weird had happened yesterday.
[22:24] <TheWild> bazhang: I wanted to see whether the system respects power settings.
[22:24] <TheWild> Xubuntu 16.04 for example ignores them.
[22:24] <bazhang> TheWild, no need to /me the channel
[22:24] <TheWild> okay, fine
[22:31] <learnDroid> hi all
[22:31] <learnDroid> does anyone know where the "subl" alias for the android-studio is stored?
[22:32] <learnDroid> i'm toying around trying to learn more about linux
[22:32] <bazhang> learnDroid, which package is that in
[22:32] <learnDroid> android-studio
[22:33] <bazhang> yes
[22:33] <bazhang> where is that in the ubuntu software
[22:33] <learnDroid> you mean the directory or ?
[22:33] <bazhang> !info android-studio
[22:34] <bazhang> learnDroid, it's not a part of the ubuntu software avaialbe
[22:34] <learnDroid> I'm sorry
[22:35] <bazhang> learnDroid, I think you need to ask in an android channel
[22:35] <learnDroid> I've mistook "android-studio" for the pkg name
[22:35] <learnDroid> cause i've installed itw with apt-get android-studio
[22:36] <bazhang> learnDroid, what version of ubuntu has that
[22:36] <learnDroid> sorry again :) I've mistyped sublime-text
[22:36] <learnDroid> not android-studio
[22:36] <bazhang> !info sublime-text
[22:39] <learnDroid> i followed the instructions on this page to install it
[22:39] <bazhang> learnDroid, so it's some outside software
[22:41] <learnDroid> yes but i figured that the alias gets stored "inside" nontheless
[22:42] <bazhang> learnDroid, you should contact that software vendor
[22:42] <learnDroid> cause i can still open sublime-text from terminal by calling subl
[23:13] <archpc> does ubuntu support screen rotation on 2-in-1 laptops?
[23:30] <causative> got this in my dmesg after a hang:  [1141023.403986] compiz: page allocation stalls for 19228ms, order:0, mode:0x14200ca(GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE)
[23:32] <causative> there was plenty of free swap
[23:40] <nacc> archpc: yes
[23:40] <nacc> archpc: well, generally yes. For your specific model and version of Ubuntu, it's hard to say
[23:46] <archpc> nacc, it's the Acer Spin 5
[23:47] <nacc> archpc: on my 2-in-1, it's an iio device. You need to install iio-sensor-proxy and then gnome detects it
[23:47] <nacc> archpc: it might be different for your hardware
[23:56] <prappl93> archpc, I did a quick Google and found a post asking the same question regarding Linux Mint. It appears based off of this post that auto-rotate doesn't rotate automatically with the Spin 5. The post is here: http://community.acer.com/t5/Swift-Spin-S-and-R-Series/Does-Spin-5-or-7-support-Linux-Mint-single-boot-NO-Windows-10/td-p/469024
[23:56] <prappl93> Not sure if you'd have the same results on Ubuntu or not