[18:07] <wileee> sakrecoer_, Cool, better help here on your issue 'UEFI' than me here now, always really, heh. Someone will help, should not be a huge problem.
[18:07] <daftykins> asad_: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log give any clues?
[18:07] <BlueProtoman> twelfther, lotuspsychje: Cool.  Now to upgrade.  You recommend wiping my hard drive instead of just updating the packages, right?
[18:07] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: should i try recreate the liveUSB?
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> !ru | devilguy
[18:07] <sakrecoer_> i greatly appreciate your help wileee , result or not :)
[18:07] <realloc1> do you already help with questions about 15.10?
[18:08] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: If you start the Installer using "Try Ubuntu" so you have a fully usable desktop, you could try using a terminal to manually get the disk partitioned before starting Ubiquity (the GUI installer application) - that may be enough to sort it out
[18:08] <daftykins> realloc1: yes as per topic
[18:08] <asad_> daftykins: Should I show you the text in that file? I don't understand it.
[18:08] <wileee> sakrecoer_, No problem, efficient help is my goal.
[18:08] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: tried that already. no success..
[18:08] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: same problem in there
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> BlueProtoman: backups can be handy if you want to..
[18:08] <daftykins> asad_: yeah if you could install pastebinit and run "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[18:08] <realloc1> perfect^^ I've installed it today and I get a total system freeze when visiting any website with wifi
[18:09] <BlueProtoman> lotuspsychje: I never would've imagined.  Phew, you just saved me from having to start all of my homework from scratch.
[18:09] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: when the installer fails, have you looked at its logs (partman especially) to see what is going wrong. The installer is VERY verbose in logging what it is doing (check under /var/log/ and sub-directories there)
[18:09] <BlueProtoman> lotuspsychje: Real-talk; why is it people always recommend reinstalling Ubuntu from scratch instead of just upgrading the packages?
[18:09] <realloc1> I'm using the m$ surface pro 2 with the marvell wifi hardware..
[18:09] <asad_> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896069/
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> BlueProtoman: you can upgarde fine, but fresh installs are always nice
[18:10] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: let me try with the "try ubuntu" option again and get back to you, thanks, brb
[18:10] <daftykins> asad_: ok will take a glance, did you upgrade to 15.10 or was this a clean installation?
[18:10] <howudodat> is there a wiki / tutorial on best practices for multi-user login scenario?  my wifes computer is shared between her and our daughter.  I've tried setting multi-user.target and using startx on tty1 and tty2.  I have also tried using gdm and just "switching users".  both are causing problems for me.  I was hoping there might be a good and current tutorial so I could 2x cehck my work before posting bug reports or help requests
[18:11] <BlueProtoman> lotuspsychje: Why?
[18:11] <asad_> daftykins: I was running 14.04 before. I backed up everything and did a clean install.
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> BlueProtoman: no leftovers from previous install
[18:11] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: nobody who has ever worked in IT truly believes in upgrades :)
[18:11] <lucidguy> Can you no longer do-release-upgrade from 10.04 server?
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | lucidguy
[18:12] <daftykins> lucidguy: you shouldn't be on 10.04 server :) it died earlier this year
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> BlueProtoman: try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes
[18:12] <BlueProtoman> lotuspsychje, daftykins: Okay, so how can I get a list of packages I installed (and PPAs I installed them from), and then reinstall them all en masse when I reinstall?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> BlueProtoman: we dont support ppa's sorry
[18:13] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: what should i be looking for in the partman log?
[18:13] <BlueProtoman> lotuspsychje: I'm not asking about a PPA-specific question, I just want to know how I can get a list of all the ones I have installed, then re-add them all at once.
[18:13] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: well that'd be a bad idea since packages for Wily might not exist from your PPAs yet.
[18:13] <BlueProtoman> Then I guess I'll just wait to upgrade until the semester ends.
[18:14] <BlueProtoman> Question still stands, though.
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> !info aptoncd | BlueProtoman if you wanna clean install 15.10
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> BlueProtoman: only for your official packages, not ppa
[18:14] <daftykins> asad_: this looks worth a go - http://askubuntu.com/questions/623598/dell-inspiron-7347-inactive-cursor-with-my-touchpad-on-ubuntu-14-04
[18:15] <BlueProtoman> lotuspsychje: I don't need to create a full CD, I'd be happy with just a list of all the packages I've actually installed
[18:15] <BlueProtoman> (and then feeding that list into apt-get some time in mid-December)'
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> BlueProtoman: thats what aptoncd do..
[18:16] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: In that or the syslog; any sign of it stuck in a loop, or no longer advancing the timestamps (indicating it has blocked waiting for something). Also check the kern.log in case there's a hardware issue
[18:17] <howudodat> BlueProtoman: check out the first reply here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages
[18:17] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: FAT-fs (sda1) can't find valid fat system
[18:18] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: last entry of kern.log
[18:19] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: syslog says wrong fs type, bad optio, bad superblock on /dev/sda1
[18:19] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: OK, that sounds like it may be referring to the EFI System Partition (ESP). in a terminal do "sudo blkid /dev/sda1" see what it thinks
[18:20] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: tonnes of results online for how to generate a package list, usually involves dpkg --get-selections > ~/file
[18:20] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: i still think that is a mistake though, PPA use will make your task a mess :)
[18:20] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: How so?
[18:21] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: Label="recovery" UUID="*lots of numbers*" TYPE="ntfs" PARTBALE="EFI System PArtition" PARTUUID="*lots of numers*"
[18:21] <TJ-> BlueProtoman: 'debfoster' will generate the list of top-level packages, ensuring the auto-install/remove dependency graph is maintained, too
[18:21] <goddard> what is a good PDF editor
[18:21] <fx159> hello, is there anything I can do to debug reboot problems? my server gets stuck after displaying "all processes ended after 2 seconds", I'm using 14.04.3
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> goddard: inkscape perhaps?
[18:21] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: That's VERY interesting; If sda1 is NTFS AND is really the EFI SP, it ought to be a FAT file-system
[18:22] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: yeah, its so strange...
[18:22] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: in case there are other partitions recognised try "sudo blkid /dev/sda*"
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> fx159: maybe the #ubuntu-server guys know?
[18:23] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: last time i tried, while the disk was reformated, it said it found a another system that might require bios and that continuing would make it difficult to boot into something requiring bios
[18:23] <fx159> lotuspsychje: will try...
[18:23] <asad_> daftykins: I don't know what that did, but it's working now... :D
[18:23] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: also, check with "sudo file -s /dev/sda1" ... I'd expect something similar to mine: "/dev/sda2: DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x3c+2, OEM-ID "mkfs.fat", sectors/cluster 4, root entries 512, Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/FAT 256, sectors/track 63, heads 255, hidden sectors 16418, sectors 262144 (volumes > 32 MB) , serial number 0x1192744d, label: "BOOT.ESP   ", FAT (16 bit)"
[18:24] <daftykins> asad_: :) basically changed driver, cool, glad it worked :)
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | daftykins nice 15.10 solving!
[18:25] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: sudo file -s gives me lots of things but ntfs in "TYPE="
[18:26] <daftykins> ^_^
[18:26] <sakrecoer_> TJ-:  sorry. no, that was blkid
[18:26] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: Right, so it is definitely NTFS, not just a wrong marker. What make/model PC is it? It seems it has NTFS support built-in to the firmware
[18:26] <Mattias> Upgraded to 15.04, had issues with graphics, removed all graphics drivers and installed the latest nvidia. Now, when I start ubuntu normally I don't even get to console, blank screen and monitor goes offline. Only works if I start in recovery mode for some reason. Which would suggest the drivers are installed, since I get full resolution in recovery.
[18:26] <Mattias> How can I get normal mode to work? -.-
[18:26] <sakrecoer_> Packard Bell
[18:27] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: Packard Bell
[18:27] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: EasyNote TE
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> Mattias: wich grafix card chipset and driver loaded?
[18:28] <johnny_linux> 1clear
[18:29] <SuperLag> love so much that I did an update, and now my Ubuntu system won't even boot... even into rescue mode.
[18:29] <SuperLag> It's hung at "Loading initial ramdisk ..."
[18:29] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: OK, so if you're happy for all of Windows to be blown away; reformat that partition as FAT with "sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1"
[18:30] <SuperLag> Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS, btw
[18:30] <Mattias> lotuspsychje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896197/
[18:30] <wileee> SuperLag, less drama more facts please for the channel.
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> Mattias: thats an optimus card?
[18:31] <Mattias> lotuspsychje: No, this is not the mobile version. I've had this card working fine before upgrading to 15.04
[18:31] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: done, bye bye windows, thanks for nothing :) now?
[18:31] <Mattias> lotuspsychje: This is the real desktop one, powerful one :P
[18:32] <TJ-> sakrecoer_: in *theory* re-running the installer should mean it is happy with the boot partition now
[18:32] <sakrecoer_> ok i will try now :)
[18:35] <Bashing-om> Mattias: Nvidia recommends the 352 version driver for that card . What driver is installed ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[18:35] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: no complain about disk mounting so far!!! <3 YES
[18:35] <Mattias> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896237/  interesting, I thought I removed the old ones, why are they showing up there -.-
[18:36] <Mattias> Bashing-om: and 352 is not showing up...
[18:36] <Mattias> I installed it manually.
[18:36] <Mattias> (which is why I now get full resolution in recovery as well.)
[18:36] <Bashing-om> Mattias: look'n .
[18:36] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: you roc!!!! i'm sendin you mag goodvibes!
[18:37] <sakrecoer_> TJ-: THANKS a million!!!!
[18:38] <Mattias> Bashing-om: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-* <-- no matches found -.-
[18:38] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[18:38] <Bashing-om> mat status 'rc' is removed but config files remain . presently there is no driver installed . In recovery mode the graphics are driven by the kernel's driver .
[18:39] <ubuntu-mate> how can I help
[18:39] <Mattias> Bashing-om: Interesting... I'll run the 352 install again
[18:39] <nbusrone> Hi , I would like to know what's the different between compression format ? I read at wiki but with vary of info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_archive_formats.Any full guide on ubuntu ?
[18:39] <Guest93296> hi
[18:39] <Bashing-om> Mattias: A "manual" install from OEM ? Is there a UN-install script ?
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: you want to help, or get help?
[18:40] <Guest93296> is very good and nice ubuntu i love ubuntu
[18:40] <Mattias> Bashing-om: downloaded from nvidia. simple shell script (.run file)
[18:40] <ubuntu-mate> is ubuntu better than windows for software development_
[18:41] <Mattias> Bashing-om: in Console now, running it again
[18:41] <nbusrone> Purpose is to compress photo and files and even it get damage ,  i still can retrieve part of the file compression.Sometimes , .7z took too long to open a simple 1mb photo extracting them while .zip takes open instantly .What are those different on ar.gz, .tgz, .tar.Z, .tar.bz2, .tbz2, .tar.lzma, .tlz ????
[18:41] <Mattias> Bashing-om: Just got to love terminal multiplexers :)
[18:41] <Mattias> Bashing-om: It says "drivers already installed on system"
[18:41] <Bashing-om> Mattias: Maybe ' sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-VERSION-pkg1.run --uninstall ' ??
[18:41] <Mattias> Bashing-om: and it detects 352.55
[18:42] <Mattias> Ok, I'll uninstall first
[18:42] <ubuntu-mate> I am running ubuntu from virtualbox but I am thinking of changing to native Ubuntu
[18:43] <Mattias> Bashing-om: Do you recommend a ppa over the original drivers from nvidia?
[18:43] <BlueProtoman> ubuntu-mate: Everyone in this channel will say yes.  I am no exception.
[18:43] <Mattias> Bashing-om: uninstall was completed successfully
[18:44] <BlueProtoman> ubuntu-mate: Barring anything designed by Microsoft (C#, VB, F#) or Apple (Objective C, Swift), that is.  There is support for some of that, but not as much as, say, for Ruby or C++ or Python.
[18:44] <ubuntu-mate> thanks - you made up my mind. Windows is just too slow and insecure.
[18:45] <BlueProtoman> ubuntu-mate: Welcome to the rabbit hole, hombre.
[18:45] <Bashing-om> Mattias: The 1st recomendation will always be from our repository . Then PPA, if al else fails do the OEM thing  as a means of last resort .
[18:45] <Mattias> ubuntu-mate: dual-boot is fine, using 100% ubuntu at work and 50% at home. Mostly due to some games still not running under linux
[18:45] <rudolf_> Hi
[18:45] <BlueProtoman> ubuntu-mate: What Mattias said.  Also, some software like Unity 3D.
[18:46] <Mattias> Bashing-om: installed the driver again after uninstall. Going to reboot and try :)
[18:46] <rudolf_> I just installed windows 8 over ubuntu and I have got the dual boot menu using EasyBCD but it does not seem good enough. The dual boot menu is from windows and windows boots completely before giving me the option to select OS.
[18:46] <indre> Wazaaaa!
[18:47] <rudolf_> How do I get back to my default grub without booting into windows?
[18:47] <EriC^^> rudolf_: boot into ubuntu, type sudo grub-install
[18:47] <EriC^^> and sudo update-grub
[18:49] <ubuntu-mate> the problem with windows is that all the needed security software is slowing it down *I am using Avast Internet security and MalwareBytes Anti-Malware
[18:49] <rudolf_> All right...thanks EriC^^
[18:50] <Mattias> That did not work, in recovery now again
[18:50] <ubuntu-mate> also Micosoft is doing a lot of unwanted logging in the background
[18:50] <EriC^^> rudolf_: no problem
[18:50] <ubuntu-mate> I think it is best to install ubuntu as dualboot
[18:51] <ricky-> i have what i think is going to be a silly question. running a shell i'm trying to tar -zxvf a tar.gz file and it's not extracting but printing contents. i chmod the file and made it executable
[18:52] <daftykins> ricky-: archives do not need chmox +x, you do however need permissions where it's attempting to extract to
[18:52] <daftykins> ricky-: perhaps it's just extracting to a folder you aren't noticing?
[18:52] <Bashing-om> Mattias: ' sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" ; dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .. see what we can do .
[18:53] <ubuntu-mate> I love this chat
[18:53] <ricky-> it's on a shell server with no other files/folders. i'll remove chmod+x real quick and try again
[18:53] <Mattias> Bashing-om: had a similar problem at work after upgrading to 15.04 (wrong resolution, reinstall drivers to fix) but that worked fine there... it's not the same gfx card though, 750 Ti at work I believe.
[18:54] <Mattias> Bashing-om: So far it found the 352.55 installer. It's still running though.
[18:54] <rudolf_> EriC^^: "sudo grub-install" says "device not specified"
[18:55] <EriC^^> rudolf_: that's odd, if you're using uefi it shouldn't say that
[18:55] <EriC^^> type ls -l /sys/firmware/efi
[18:56] <rudolf_> "ls: cannot access /sys/firmware/efi: No such file or directory"
[18:56] <EriC^^> rudolf_: ok, so ubuntu is installed in legacy mode
[18:56] <Mattias> Bashing-om: Will probably take a while, several TB's of data to scan through :)
[18:56] <EriC^^> rudolf_: how did you install win8? type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:57] <rudolf_> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/rrrj
[19:00] <EriC^^> rudolf_: ok, type sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
[19:00] <EriC^^> then sudo update-grub
[19:01] <Mattias> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896381/
[19:02] <rudolf_> EriC^^: What is this flexnet? The command did not give an error but it said that sector 32 is being used by a program "flexnet"
[19:03] <EriC^^> rudolf_: oh, that's a program that's made so nobody can overwrite the bootloader
[19:03] <daftykins> Mattias: yeah you really shouldn't be using the manual download to install nvidia drivers.
[19:03] <EriC^^> rudolf_: you have to nuke it with dd
[19:03] <EriC^^> rudolf_: it might still work without nuking though, try rebooting
[19:03] <rudolf_> ok..lemme try
[19:04] <Mattias> daftykins: Well, worked fine at work. Apparently not at home -.-
[19:05] <Mattias> daftykins: I did try the default ubuntu package first though, same problem there. No console or anything after grub, screen just goes off. Recovery always works.
[19:05] <daftykins> Mattias: sudo apt-get purge nvidia*
[19:05] <Mattias> daftykins: no packages found with that
[19:05] <daftykins> Mattias: is that installer still running, or?
[19:05] <daftykins> Mattias: run it, i saw your command output and there *are* some configs left.
[19:05] <Mattias> daftykins: installer finished successfully.
[19:05] <Bashing-om> Mattias: IF it were me . I would run the nvidia script as "uninstall" ..purge nvidia*, remove ALL the old driver config files, and use  'autoinstaller' then to install the recommended driver from our repository .
[19:05] <daftykins> ^ :)
[19:05] <ioria> if you install with .run , i remember an --unistall  flag
[19:06] <Mattias> ioria: yeah, I ran that a moment to reinstall.
[19:06]  * Mattias switches to console now
[19:07] <Bashing-om> Mattias: ' dpkg --list |grep "^rc" | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs sudo dpkg --purge ' . The state is rc, the package is removed, but the config files are not removed ,
[19:07] <Mattias> Ok so, about this autoinstaller. Where do I find it?
[19:07] <Mattias> ah ok
[19:07] <Mattias> meh, going back into GUI. can't copy paste that command now :P
[19:07] <rudolf__> EriC^^: Thanks a lot...it works now :)
[19:07] <EriC^^> rudolf__: great, no problem :)
[19:09] <Bashing-om> Mattias: You have it installed by default . when you get to this point to reinstall .. ' sudo ubuntu-drivers devices ; sudo ubuntu-drivers list ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' :) .
[19:09] <Mattias> Bashing-om: excellent piping skills btw ;)
[19:09] <Mattias> Saved it into a script
[19:10] <Bashing-om> Mattias: Well ,, nawww .. I just been araound a bit .
[19:11] <Mattias> I have some excellent piping commands as well, just so slow to create them :) luckily you can make scripts to save the good ones in
[19:11] <Mattias> I believe destroy all software screencast has videos on creating nice commands :)
[19:12] <circle> Mattias: you are an amoeba
[19:12] <Mattias> circle: Oh, you play Eclipse as well?
[19:12] <ashish> hey
[19:12] <Guest50381> hehh
[19:12] <circle> Mattias: yes
[19:13] <Bashing-om> Mattias: 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak ' I have seen cases where that file does not get over-ridden in the new driver install .
[19:13] <Guest50381> chitchat
[19:13] <Guest50381> nds
[19:13] <Mattias> Bashing-om: seems I have no xorg.conf right now, just xorg.conf.* with various names
[19:14] <daftykins> Mattias: nobody has a xorg.conf anymore. not needed.
[19:14] <ashish_> ashish
[19:14] <Mattias> autoinstalling now
[19:14] <Bashing-om> Mattias: Well ! in the new install, if it is not created, we make up one (default) . With the proprietary driver, that file is required .
[19:14] <Mattias> it's install 346 -.-
[19:15] <genii> !xorgconf | daftykins
[19:15] <ashish_> nopes346
[19:15] <Bashing-om> Mattias: We take the system's recomendation .
[19:15] <daftykins> genii: ;)
[19:15] <Mattias> I'm fine with that, I went with ubuntu to be rid of hassles. I remember the good old days in gentoo. Arch made that a little bit better though
[19:16] <ioria> gentoo is a nightmare
[19:16] <Mattias> ioria: Well, it worked fine for me
[19:16] <Mattias> Compiling might just take time
[19:16] <daftykins> Mattias: try and keep it to support :) you can chat over in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:16] <ioria> Mattias, i'm very happy for you ...
[19:17] <Mattias> Great, time for a reboot to see if this helps :)
[19:17] <Bashing-om> Mattias: I came from slackware to 'buntu, I will take 'buntu any day !
[19:18] <parityDrive> I'm trying to dual boot Win10 and Ubuntu.
[19:18] <odt> hi. 15.10. no sound via intel sunrise point HD audio (skylake)
[19:18] <parityDrive> in the installer its showing Win10 (efi)
[19:18] <daftykins> parityDrive: and? do you have a question/problem?
[19:18] <odt> alsa-daily dkms is only for 15.04 and won't compile on 15.10
[19:18] <parityDrive> I've created a /efi, & all the other partitions.
[19:18] <parityDrive> but when I start my PC, I get grub command line...
[19:19] <daftykins> parityDrive: shouldn't need to, if win10 was installed as EFI already it should just make use of them during the installer.
[19:19] <ashish_> ashish
[19:19] <parityDrive> That's my issue.
[19:19] <EriC^^> parityDrive: you don't need to, ubuntu can use the win10 one
[19:19] <parityDrive> Ok why am I getting grub cmdline vs boot menu?
[19:19] <parityDrive> i can exit and it boots into windows but that's pretty much it.
[19:19] <Mattias> Bashing-om: It works now :)
[19:19] <Mattias> Thanks for the help!
[19:20] <parityDrive> I've tried without making /efi previously and got the same thing.
[19:20] <parityDrive> I'm installing Ubuntu to sdb (windows is on sda)
[19:20] <parityDrive> So I honestly don't know what to do, I've looked around and can't find anything that helps. :(
[19:21] <EriC^^> parityDrive: ok, type ls -l in grub
[19:21] <ashish_> hey
[19:21] <EriC^^> is it grub> or grub rescue> ?
[19:21] <daftykins> hello
[19:21] <parityDrive> Help me Obi Wan, you are my only help
[19:21] <parityDrive> grub >
[19:21] <parityDrive> fml i can't satire right.
[19:21] <ashish_> jnkdk
[19:21] <ashish_> -l
[19:22] <EriC^^> parityDrive: ok, try ls -l
[19:22] <parityDrive> I need to reboot :|
[19:22] <TJ-> parityDrive: you get the GRUB command-line if there is no /boot/grub/grub.cfg, which is generated by "update-grub"
[19:22] <parityDrive> Ok
[19:22] <parityDrive> That makes sense but what do I do?
[19:22] <parityDrive> Just downloaded Boot-Repair
[19:22] <erkan^> http://picpaste.com/pics/Schermafdruk-Nieuwe_printer-hqzt9cNM.1445541454.png --> I cannot scroll to down and ALT + F7 doesn't work. can someone help me please?
[19:23] <TJ-> parityDrive: boot a Live ISO, chroot-mount the target and run "update-grub" in it
[19:23] <regum> hi, can i ask here about Homebank?
[19:23] <TJ-> parityDrive: Or, manually boot the system from the GRUB command-line once... run "sudo update-grub", and its fixed
[19:24] <parityDrive> so if in the installer i left the boot default (sda), i would chroot-mount sda?
[19:24] <parityDrive> sorry kind of nooby still
[19:24] <Bashing-om> Mattias: :) .. See, use the tools provided .. piece of cake ..'buntu is easy !
[19:24] <parityDrive> I tried joining #ubuntu-beginners but it redirected me here.
[19:24] <TJ-> parityDrive: not quite. sda is the entire drive. You'd need sdaX (the partition number)
[19:24] <parityDrive> sda1 i believe
[19:26] <Mattias> Bashing-om: As long as I can have my trusty i3 wm I'll be fine in any distro ;)
[19:26] <Mattias> Nobody could guess I'm running ubuntu with how my system looks like ;)
[19:26] <genii> regum: If it seems to be running properly but you're just unsure about how to use it, probably better to go read the documentation at http://homebank.free.fr/help/index.html
[19:26] <TJ-> parityDrive: On an UEFI system the boot process is generally UEFI boot manager > grub core.img (/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi) > ($root)/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod > ($root)/grub/grub.cfg > ($root)/vmlinuz-$VERSION + ($root)/initrd.img-$VERSION > Linux booting
[19:27] <regum> genii, yeah, but I've gone there already
[19:27] <parityDrive> ok...
[19:27] <parityDrive> so when I get the grub >
[19:27] <parityDrive> I've read just to type sudo grub-update
[19:27] <parityDrive> and it should work.
[19:28] <EriC^^> no, you have to boot first
[19:28] <parityDrive> ok boot into the OS, open term, run command?
[19:28] <TJ-> parityDrive: The EFI System Partition (EFI SP) is usually a FAT file-system, and contains the operating-system boot-loader files (for Windows, Linux, etc.). GRUB will expect to find another file-system (its 'root' file-system) where its modules and grub.cfg files are. That is either part of the Ubuntu/Linux root file-system partition, OR, a separate /boot/ file-sytem containing just the kernel images,
[19:28] <TJ-> supporting files, and GRUB.
[19:29] <parityDrive> Sorry I don't want to have to keep rebooting.
[19:29] <TJ-> parityDrive: If you're at the "grub>" command-line you need to *manually* replicate what grub.cfg usually does.
[19:29] <EriC^^> parityDrive: type ls -l
[19:29] <TJ-> parityDrive: firstly, as you have the command-line the 'normal' module must have started, and it looks for grub.cfg, which infers that file hasn't been created
[19:30] <TJ-> parityDrive: therefore, please tell us what "set root" reports
[19:30] <EriC^^> and copy what it says next to any ext4 partitions, like (hd0,gpt2) etc
[19:30] <parityDrive> alright hold on
[19:30] <parityDrive> good thing I have znc :P
[19:30] <EriC^^> parityDrive:
[19:31] <TJ-> EriC^^: we'll get that from 'root' since the command-line is active, and that infers ($root)/grub/<ARCH>/normal.mod has loaded
[19:31] <EriC^^> you mean you have to reboot every time you want to run a command?
[19:31] <EriC^^> hold on, do you have a live usb?
[19:31] <parityDrive> My laptop is a p.o.s
[19:31] <parityDrive> Yes i have it on a usb.
[19:31] <EriC^^> chrooting would be way easier
[19:31] <EriC^^> ok, load the live usb and come here
[19:31] <parityDrive> alright.
[19:31] <TJ-> EriC^^: I diagree; 4 commands and we can boot the actual OS that is missing
[19:31] <parityDrive> 1 sec, thank you for the help btw.
[19:34] <EriC^^> TJ-: he has to reboot every time, like tell you what set root gives, then reboot to get grub again etc.
[19:34] <Zephyr1138> I was upgrading to 15.10 and the desktop went black with just a mouse cursor showing. Alt-F1 brings up a terminal I can log into. lsb_release -a shows "Release: 15.10" and "Codename: wily" ps aux | grep dpkg shows an active process. How do I tell when the upgrade is complete?
[19:34] <daftykins> Zephyr1138: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" will return all 0's
[19:34] <daftykins> Zephyr1138: sounds like you've got a graphics driver issue really
[19:35] <paritydrive1> ok
[19:35] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:35] <EriC^^> paste the link here
[19:35] <paritydrive1> I'm retarded.
[19:35] <paritydrive1> this isn't live.
[19:36] <paritydrive1> its the installer iso i used :|
[19:36] <EriC^^> what do you mean?
[19:36] <EriC^^> not following
[19:36] <TJ-> paritydrive1: Yes, the installer is ON the 'live' ISO image
[19:36] <paritydrive1> Downloaded, burned to usb keep.
[19:36] <paritydrive1> key*
[19:36] <MonkeyDust> paritydrive1  or do you mean the server installer?
[19:36] <EriC^^> ok, that's what we need
[19:36] <paritydrive1> No nvm, I'm being stupid.
[19:36] <paritydrive1> and over thinking.
[19:36] <ricky-> i sat here and found the problem with your help. thanks ubuntu!
[19:37] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/mbr8
[19:37] <Zephyr1138> daftykins, those apt-get responses show "E: Could not get lock ..." type errors. It must still be churning.
[19:37] <pentester> roshan
[19:38] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: oh, not good :/
[19:38] <paritydrive1> ?
[19:38] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: you have windows installed in uefi mode on one disk, and ubuntu installed in legacy on the other
[19:38] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: oh nevermind
[19:39] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: what os's disks do you have?
[19:39] <paritydrive1> What do you mean?
[19:39] <daftykins> Zephyr1138: not if you rebooted
[19:39] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: it looks like you have 1 disk that has windows on it, and another that has windows maybe + linux
[19:39] <Zephyr1138> daftykins, I just successfully installed a binary nVidia driver via "sudo apt-get install nvidia-304" prior to the 15.10 upgrade.
[19:39] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: and a third that has windows on it
[19:40] <Zephyr1138> daftykins, I haven't rebooted yet.
[19:40] <paritydrive1> sorry browser died.
[19:40] <ioria> parityDrive, basically you have 3 /boot
[19:40] <paritydrive1> i have Windows installed on sda.
[19:40] <EriC^^> np
[19:41] <EriC^^> ok, what about sdb and sdc
[19:41] <paritydrive1> ignore sdc  boot is useless.
[19:41] <paritydrive1> and I haven't cleaned up my drives atm.
[19:41] <EriC^^> ok, and sdb?
[19:41] <paritydrive1> sdb is linux /
[19:41] <paritydrive1> No idea why its boot...
[19:41] <EriC^^> it has a ntfs at the start
[19:41] <EriC^^> 141gb
[19:41] <paritydrive1> oh wait.
[19:42] <paritydrive1> sdb boot = the efi partition i made
[19:42] <Mattias> Another problem when trying to install steam: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896636/  I've tried to install everything it wants to have, but the final piece doesn't want to install at all
[19:42] <paritydrive1> Ya EriC^^ that sdc boot is windows 8.1 which is removed.
[19:43] <EriC^^> TJ-: what do you think, should he reinstall using a gpt partition table?
[19:43] <paritydrive1> Oh and sdb1 = a partition in Windows (storage drive)
[19:44] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: i see, well right now ubuntu is installed in legacy mode
[19:44] <paritydrive1> How can you tell?
[19:45] <ioria> parityDrive, Partition Table: msdos
[19:45] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: cause it has a msdos partition table not gpt
[19:45] <paritydrive1> So I'm assuming that's why i'm just getting grub > instead of a boot menu
[19:45] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: maybe, yeah
[19:45] <Zephyr1138> daftykins, I'm just going to sit tight and check up on it again in an hour or two.
[19:46] <ioria> parityDrive, can you boot  ubuntu from bios ?
[19:46] <paritydrive1> or is it because my actually boot is EFI (thanks to windows).
[19:46] <paritydrive1> nope
[19:46] <paritydrive1> I get grub >
[19:46] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try sudo mount /dev/sdb6 /mnt
[19:46] <EriC^^> then cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:46] <jatt> synaptic looks like crap in 15.10
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> !language | jatt
[19:47] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/psrv
[19:47] <ioria> jatt, what's wrong ?
[19:47] <Bashing-om> Mattias: Mind you I do not know ; but, " (= 11.0.2+git20151008+11.0.b1230e3e-0ubuntu0ricotz~vivid ; this may be caused by held packages. " Vivid is EOL, are you fully updated and upgraded ?
[19:48] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: well, it's actually installed in uefi mode
[19:48] <paritydrive1> I'm getting grub is non-existent and that's what's causing it?
[19:48] <vivid> vivid is EOL? wow thats such good news for me
[19:49] <Mattias> Bashing-om: isn't it 15.04?
[19:49] <k1l_> vivid: no its not eol yet
[19:49] <vivid> im pretty sure he's wrong though, eol is set for 1/2016
[19:49] <vivid> and im very much looking forward to that :D
[19:49] <Bashing-om> Mattias: Excuse me .. you are correct .. EOL in January .
[19:49] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try sudo apt-get install efibootmgr && sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:49] <Kallb123> Hi guys, I installed and used LVM for my partitions, which only made a small /boot partition. Every few months it gets full and causes updates to fail. How can I make it automatically clean kernels out?
[19:49] <LordDiabolus> Ubuntu.com says Unity8 Preview is in 15.10.  How can you start it?  (Can't find docs anywhere on it)
[19:50] <Seven_Six_Two> how long to torrents stay busy for? I added a few to my vps to help out, but I'm not sure how long the spike usually lasts
[19:50] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/eg6s
[19:50] <paritydrive1> oopes
[19:50] <k1l_> Mattias: sounds like you use PPAs and they now make trouble
[19:51] <OerHeks> Seven_Six_Two, take it over this weekend, or 2 weeks is nice too
[19:51] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/fjj3
[19:51] <paritydrive1> there you go EriC^^
[19:52] <Seven_Six_Two> OerHeks, I have finite transfer allotment, and it's going fast, but I'll leave it for as long as I can.
[19:52] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: i think i see the problem
[19:52] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: it's using the efi partition on the first disk that's shared with windows
[19:52] <paritydrive1> I'm a noob?
[19:52] <OerHeks> Seven_Six_Two, set your ratio to share :-)
[19:52] <Bashing-om> Mattias: If you run ' apt-cache policy <package> ' on the 5 dependencies, is a common PPA relected as the culprit ?
[19:52] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: lol no
[19:52] <Mattias> k1l_: Removed one PPA I had enabled (was only one), will also upgrade to 15.10 from 15.04.
[19:52] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm already at 2.0 ratio after about 5 minutes
[19:52] <paritydrive1> :P
[19:52] <broman> can someone please help me?? i cant start the x server! its a fresh 14 install.. my xorg log: http://pastie.org/10500562
[19:53] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:53] <paritydrive1> So grub is messed up then?
[19:53] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: we can try pointing it to use the efi you created and see if that works
[19:53] <k1l_> Mattias: use ppa-purge to remove PPAs to let the PPA packages get removed and made the original ubuntu state again
[19:53] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/8hqt
[19:53] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, type sudo nano /mnt/etc/fstab
[19:54] <paritydrive1> k
[19:54] <EriC^^> and replace the UUID=6AE0-E10A  /boot/efi with UUID="2E53-6559" /boot/efi
[19:54] <Mattias> k1l_: thanks! I'll do that. this is quite an old install so.
[19:54] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: sorry, no quotes after UUID= it's not needed
[19:54] <ganzzahl>
[19:54] <paritydrive1> I understood that part EriC^^
[19:54] <paritydrive1> :P
[19:55] <Mattias> k1l_: ppa-purge, no such command O.o
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> LordDiabolus: http://askubuntu.com/questions/688560/how-do-i-test-unity-8-in-15-10
[19:55] <k1l_> Mattias: might need to install it first
[19:55] <k1l_> !ppapurge
[19:55] <LordDiabolus> Thanks!
[19:55] <paritydrive1> ok done
[19:55] <paritydrive1> reboot?
[19:56] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: no
[19:56] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[19:56] <Mattias> k1l_: Great, I'll install it after these 1701 new packages :)
[19:56] <EriC^^> type the whole line
[19:57] <paritydrive1> done
[19:58] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, type sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/boot/efi
[19:58] <paritydrive1> rgr
[19:58] <paritydrive1> roger*
[19:58] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo chroot /mnt
[19:58] <EriC^^> then type ls /boot/efi , is it empty?
[19:59] <paritydrive1> bash: /boot/efi: Is a directory
[19:59] <paritydrive1> bash: /boot/efi: Is a directory
[19:59] <paritydrive1> i'm retarded wow.
[19:59] <EriC^^> you typed type by mistake
[19:59] <EriC^^> it happens a lot
[19:59] <paritydrive1> Recovery  System Volume Information
[20:00] <paritydrive1> That's what it shows
[20:00] <EriC^^> ok, try grub-install
[20:00] <EriC^^> if you want try mkdir -p /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[20:00] <EriC^^> if you haven't typed grub-install yet
[20:00] <paritydrive1> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[20:00] <paritydrive1> grub-install: error: /boot/efi doesn't look like an EFI partition.
[20:00] <paritydrive1> .
[20:00] <paritydrive1> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[20:00] <paritydrive1> grub-install: error: /boot/efi doesn't look like an EFI partition.
[20:00] <paritydrive1> .
[20:01] <ubuntu023> Hi
[20:01] <paritydrive1> :(
[20:01] <paritydrive1> Sorry about that.
[20:02] <ubuntu023> Can i ask my question?
[20:02] <daftykins> !paste | paritydrive1
[20:02] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu023  yes
[20:02] <daftykins> ubottu: yes, ask away
[20:02] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: no problem
[20:02] <daftykins> gah tab complete
[20:02] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try mkdir -p /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[20:02] <daftykins> ubottu: don't worry, i don't!
[20:02] <paritydrive1> i'm using Elementary OS
[20:02] <xyzzy42> Why is utopic not in http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ?
[20:02] <paritydrive1> so do i still use /ubuntu?
[20:03] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try mkdir -p /boot/efi/EFI
[20:03] <MonkeyDust> xyzzy42  because utopic stopped breathing
[20:03] <paritydrive1> done
[20:03] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try grub-install again
[20:03] <OerHeks> heh, elementary has its own issues
[20:03] <daftykins> paritydrive1: ugh. that is not supported in this channel.
[20:03] <ubuntu023> Today when i login to my ubuntu,after 15s it backed to the login page i tried again and again but it loged ou immediately after loged in, i search the net and i found this link:
[20:03] <paritydrive1> same thing
[20:03] <daftykins> no it's not.
[20:03] <ubuntu023> http://askubuntu.com/questions/367260/i-am-logged-out-immediately-after-logging-in
[20:03] <daftykins> and shame on you for being duped into thinking it is.
[20:03] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: i wonder why it thinks it's not an efi partition
[20:03] <paritydrive1> no idea bud.
[20:03] <xyzzy42> MonkeyDust, channel message says 15.04 still supported.  That not the case?
[20:04] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:04] <daftykins> xyzzy42: it is until January
[20:04] <EriC^^> maybe it looks at the partition type?
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> xyzzy42  15.04 yes, utopic not
[20:04] <daftykins> xyzzy42: utopic = 14.10
[20:04] <xyzzy42> ahh
[20:04] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/vx9c
[20:05] <ubuntu023> I use ctrl alt f6 and then typed my user name and password and without chaging the directory to home or others, i type this: sudo rm -v .Xauthority
[20:05] <ubuntu023> And now still the same problem
[20:05] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: i dont know if you can set it with fdisk ( it's made for msdos not gpt partition tables )
[20:05] <EriC^^> hold on
[20:05] <ubuntu023> Just i can log in to my ubuntu using the guest user
[20:05] <xyzzy42> is there a way to get do-release-upgrade to find 15.04 or 15.10?
[20:05] <ubuntu023> And do not by my main user,emadhelmi
[20:05] <Spec> EriC^^: cool, termbin is neat
[20:06] <ubuntu023> What should i do?
[20:06] <MonkeyDust> xyzzy42  what is the outcome of   cat /etc/issue
[20:06] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: yeah you can, type sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb
[20:06] <EriC^^> Spec: yup
[20:06] <TJ-> xyzzy42: "man do-release-upgrade" for clues
[20:06] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: then go down to the efi partition, press type, then type ef
[20:06] <EriC^^> TJ-: does msdos partition tables + uefi work?
[20:07] <TJ-> EriC^^: Yes; it's mandated in the UEFI standard
[20:07] <xyzzy42> MonkeyDust, "Ubuntu 14.10 \n \l".
[20:07] <EriC^^> TJ-: ok, cool
[20:07] <paritydrive1> the vFat partition correct?
[20:07] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:07] <EriC^^> not the first one
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> xyzzy42  fresh install is the fastest and easiest way
[20:08] <paritydrive1> sdb5
[20:08] <paritydrive1> is the one i changed
[20:08] <croberts> is wine out for 15.10 yet?
[20:08] <EriC^^> ok, cool
[20:08] <paritydrive1> quit the window?
[20:08] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: press write, then type partprobe
[20:08] <paritydrive1> no save or anything?
[20:08] <EriC^^> write
[20:08] <croberts> also is chrome slow for anyone on 15.04 gnome
[20:09] <paritydrive1> partprobe done.
[20:09] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, try grub-install
[20:09] <paritydrive1> nothing shows (assuming it doesn't)
[20:09] <paritydrive1> HAHA
[20:09] <paritydrive1> same thing.
[20:09] <paritydrive1> I'm going to cry.
[20:09] <EriC^^> lol
[20:09] <xyzzy42> could I change my sources.list to point to 15.04 and then apt-get update?
[20:10] <daftykins> xyzzy42: no that's not supported.
[20:10] <MonkeyDust> paritydrive1  i havent followed, what was your initial question?
[20:10] <daftykins> !eol | xyzzy42 follow the last link here
[20:10] <paritydrive1> I have windows 10 installed (EFI).
[20:10] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=grub --recheck
[20:10] <paritydrive1> Trying to get boot menu working
[20:11] <paritydrive1> same thing EriC^^
[20:11] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try ls /boot/efi first, see if you get an EFI dir
[20:11] <paritydrive1> shows: EFI Recovery System Volume Information
[20:13] <EriC^^> hmm, it created it by itself here so that's not the problem
[20:13] <Kallb123> Hi guys, I installed and used LVM for my partitions, which only made a small /boot partition. Every few months it gets full and causes updates to fail. How can I make it automatically clean kernels out?
[20:13] <EriC^^> maybe grub doesn't like that it's a msdos partition table
[20:13] <paritydrive1> I honestly don't know.
[20:13] <gh16ito> Is this the right place to ask about Ubuntu dev / themes?
[20:13] <TJ-> EriC^^: "if (!efidir_is_mac && grub_strcmp (fs->name, "fat") != 0) grub_util_error (_("%s doesn't look like an EFI partition"), efidir); "
[20:13] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: do you have important data on your sdb1 ?
[20:14] <gh16ito> I'm trying to fix a broken Cinnamon applet, and I'm not quite sure what's going wrong.
[20:14] <TJ-> EriC^^: EFI-SP is expected to be FAT, not NTFS
[20:14] <EriC^^> TJ-: it is fat32
[20:14] <TJ-> EriC^^: I thought it was NTFS?
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> gh16ito  are you a developer? there's also #ubuntu-app-devel
[20:14] <EriC^^> nope that's the first partition that has data
[20:14] <EriC^^> 5      157GB   157GB  134MB   logical   fat32
[20:14] <gh16ito> MonkeyDust: Probably the answer to that is yes, but I've never worked with this sort of thing before.
[20:15] <paritydrive1> I do have stuff on it.
[20:15] <paritydrive1> All work stuff pretty much.
[20:15] <gh16ito> Basically I'm looking to get this working on ubuntu with cinnamon: https://github.com/robin92/cinnamon-power-applet/blob/master/power%40airlog.pisz.pl/applet.js#L39
[20:16] <EriC^^> TJ-: there's nothing else that triggers that error line?
[20:16] <raphus> ubuntu with cinnamon? why not just linux mint?
[20:16] <gh16ito> I gather that imports.dbus is deprecated in Mint, and that tracks with the errors I was seeing (http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2014/08/attention-applet-desklet-extension-developers/)
[20:16] <EriC^^> TJ-: maybe grub only knows how to get the fs type if it's msdos? :/
[20:17] <gh16ito> raphus: My understanding is that Ubuntu has better support for updates and whatnot.
[20:17] <gh16ito> Plus bigger community.
[20:17] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: if you can back it up, you can convert your partition table type to gpt
[20:17] <EriC^^> it's pretty instantaneous
[20:17] <paritydrive1> Ya I think I'm going have to.
[20:17] <paritydrive1> This is driving me nuts.
[20:17] <TJ-> EriC^^: Maybe I missed something but earlier you gave the instruction "sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/boot/efi" but the termbin I'm looking at is /dev/sdb
[20:18] <raphus> @gh16ito 99% of the workarounds or tutorials for ubuntu work just fine for mint :P
[20:18] <EriC^^> i did?
[20:18] <EriC^^> oops
[20:18] <gh16ito> Yeah, that's been my experience using Mint in a virtualbox, but for the most part Cinnamon on Ubuntu works fine, and I can always fall back to Unity if need be.
[20:18] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo umount /dev/sda5
[20:18] <k1l_> raphus: and you know exactly why the users are in here. so if you need any support. dont use mint.
[20:18] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: then mount /dev/sdb5 /boot/efi
[20:19] <TJ-> EriC^^: There's no problem with the disk label (GPT or MSDOS), the source-code from GRUB I quoted you shows that the errir paritydrive1 sees only happens when there is NOT a Mac file-system, AND the targer file-system is NOT FAT.
[20:19] <paritydrive1> umount: /dev/sda5: not mounted
[20:19] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: hmm type exit
[20:19] <gh16ito> OK, I'm going to try the app-devel chat.
[20:19] <lwells> Hi all
[20:19] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: then try sudo umount /mnt/boot/efi
[20:20] <xyzzy42> daftykins, thanks.  after updating the sources.list, and then editing release-upgrades to normal from never, it looks like it will work
[20:20] <TJ-> EriC^^: According to grub-install, it's something else
[20:21] <TJ-> EriC^^: sorry, ignore that, I was stuck back in the scrollback buffer!
[20:21] <paritydrive1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896927/ EriC^^
[20:21] <Mattias> !ppapurger
[20:21] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: did you unmount first?
[20:22] <paritydrive1> yup
[20:22] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo umount /mnt/boot/efi
[20:22] <EriC^^> you did?
[20:22] <EriC^^> ok, type sudo mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt/boot/efi
[20:22] <paritydrive1> that worked.
[20:22] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, type sudo chroot /mnt
[20:22] <Mattias> k1l_: What was the info again? Lost log after upgrade. On 15.10 now, can't get a list of ppa's and sudo ppa-purger xorg-edgers/ppa doesn't work, it can't find it -.-
[20:22] <EriC^^> then grub-install paritydrive1
[20:23] <k1l_> !ppapurge
[20:23] <paritydrive1> wait...
[20:23] <paritydrive1> waiting*
[20:23] <Mattias> k1l_: is there a way to list all ppa's?
[20:23] <paritydrive1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896934/
[20:23] <paritydrive1> EriC^^:
[20:23] <TJ-> EriC^^: I think paritydrive1 is outside the chroot right now?
[20:23] <Christos230> H
[20:23] <k1l_> Mattias: ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[20:24] <Gachrr> Hi everyone.
[20:24] <disky42> Hi, my dvb-sremote control is working without lirc; mute and poweroff key are captured by ubuntu. How to AVOID(!) that? The other keys are forwarded to application kodi as expected
[20:24] <EriC^^> TJ-: no, what's that error about you think? it doesn't like that it's non-gpt?
[20:24] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try update-grub
[20:25] <paritydrive1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896942/
[20:25] <Gachrr> I have massive issues after upgrading to 15.10, even a fresh install with the same /home didn't help. The issue is that when I log on my account, Unity doesn't appear. I figured that it's something in .config folder, however deleting and replacing it didn't give me constant results.
[20:25] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: also, try efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:25] <EriC^^> and ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:25] <Mattias> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896948/  ppa-purge just can't remove them -.-
[20:25] <fatogo> hello all
[20:26] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/ez0g  & http://termbin.com/m1is
[20:26] <k1l_> Mattias: you copy&pasted the wrong command. its ppa-purge not purger
[20:26] <TJ-> EriC^^: EFI-SP must be a primary partition
[20:26] <Mattias> k1l_: the paste runs ppa-purge
[20:26] <Mattias> easier with auto complete in terminal
[20:26] <EriC^^> oh, it put the files, in it, but didn't create the efibootmgr entry
[20:27] <OerHeks> Mattias, it is ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[20:27] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try typing exit, then sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999 just to be sure
[20:27] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/2m2o
[20:27] <k1l_> sudo ppa-purge  xorg-edgers/ppa
[20:27] <Mattias> OerHeks: I get the exact same error running that
[20:27] <Mattias> k1l_: and that
[20:28] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: you could delete the swap partition and create an efi primary one
[20:28] <Mattias> sudo ppa-purge gives me an example as well which also gives the exact same error:  sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers  (which is the one I used)
[20:28] <paritydrive1> Will I need to reboot?
[20:28] <paritydrive1> do I also need to re-create the swap?
[20:28] <Mattias> k1l_: the command seems to be smart enough to know it's always xorg-edgers ppa which is what it can't seem to find...
[20:28] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: no, and yeah
[20:29] <paritydrive1> gpart?
[20:29] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb
[20:29] <k1l_> Mattias: before the upgrade they get disabled
[20:29] <Mattias> k1l_: well, I've also disabled them all manually in update-manager
[20:29] <paritydrive1> sdb2 (delete)
[20:29] <Mattias> k1l_: what is ppa-purge supposed to do?
[20:29] <paritydrive1> ?
[20:29] <k1l_> Mattias: so enable them again to let ppa-purge get the package list
[20:29] <Mattias> ah ok, will do
[20:30] <paritydrive1> sdb2 = swap EriC^^
[20:30] <Jordan_U> paritydrive1: Make sure that you swapoff first, and make sure that you aren't accidentally deleting the wrong partition.
[20:30] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: yeah, and create a small primary efi partition
[20:30] <k1l_> Mattias: have to leave now, but others might help here if that still doesnt work
[20:30] <EriC^^> size is like 100M when it asks for it ( or whatever you want it to be )
[20:30] <paritydrive1> Beginning?
[20:31] <Mattias> k1l_: Thanks for the help so far :)
[20:31] <EriC^^> yeah when it asks where just press enter
[20:31] <paritydrive1> change type to EFI correct?
[20:31] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:31] <EriC^^> then create a swap partition with the free space
[20:31] <EriC^^> type 82
[20:31] <paritydrive1> swap should be primary?
[20:32] <EriC^^> no
[20:32] <paritydrive1> just double checking.
[20:32] <paritydrive1> logical
[20:32] <nmgkali> Just wondering, how can I use the command line get the headers of a hosts services at different ports (like what shodan uses to get the headers at the ports of the hosts (even on really obscure ones))?
[20:32] <Jordan_U> paritydrive1: You can use either primary or logical partitions for swap.
[20:32] <paritydrive1> writing.
[20:32] <paritydrive1> 1 sec
[20:32] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, then sudo partprobe
[20:33] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: then type sudo umount /mnt/boot/efi
[20:33] <paritydrive1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12897003/
[20:34] <Quatroking> hi
[20:34] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, type sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:34] <Guest68423> Are there some files I need to change in my /home directory, in order to reset my sound settings in Linux?
[20:34] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/j3q1
[20:34] <Quatroking> is it possible to make my machine speak words through the terminal, using some text to speech stuff?
[20:34] <Guest68423> Quatroking, yes.
[20:35] <paritydrive1> Looks like its ok EriC^^
[20:35] <Quatroking> how'd I go about doing that?
[20:36] <Jordan_U> Quatroking: echo "hello, world" | espeak
[20:36] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: i think you have to reboot
[20:36] <paritydrive1> ok i will brb then.
[20:36] <Guest68423> I am looking at apt-cache search speech.  I am trying to find the command that I used to use.
[20:36] <MonkeyDust> !info espeak | Quatroking
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> Quatroking  there's also 'saytime'
[20:38] <Guest68423> Quatroking, I think it might have been espeak.
[20:38] <paritydrive1> ok back
[20:38] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: wb
[20:38] <paritydrive1> should have made a persistant partition on this USB...
[20:38] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:38] <RubyDZ> hey guys, can someone guide me on how to use the unrar command? it's a bit confusing for me ....
[20:38] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/zqvo
[20:38] <Quatroking> Guest68423, sorry about that, my internet is crap today
[20:39] <Quatroking> how'd I go about doing that?
[20:39] <Guest68423> Quatoroking, festival might have worked too.
[20:39] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: that's odd, the efi isn't there
[20:39] <Guest68423> Quatroking, I had to follow an online guide.
[20:39] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb
[20:40] <paritydrive1> isn't his it? /dev/sda2: UUID="6AE0-E10A" TYPE="vfat"
[20:40] <paritydrive1> that's odd.
[20:41] <paritydrive1> cfdisk has sdb2 as swap
[20:41] <paritydrive1> sdb5 Linux swap and sdb6 as vfat
[20:41] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: no it should be on sdb
[20:41] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:41] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: odd, try to delete the swap and create the efi one for now
[20:41] <paritydrive1> err ya swap is still above it...
[20:41] <gordonjcp> evening
[20:42] <Quatroking> Guest68423, thanks, this festival thing works pretty good
[20:42] <Mattias> There we go, xorg-edgers removed and now steam installs :)
[20:42] <Mattias> no idea why I had xorg-edgers ppa there -.-
[20:42] <padong> hallo
[20:42] <EriC^^> hello
[20:43] <paritydrive1> ok EriC^^, created EFI, wrote, typed sudo partprobe
[20:43] <paritydrive1> No errors
[20:43] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, try sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:43] <Guest68423> Quatroking, There was a command that could pass anything in the clipboard to its output.  This worked pretty well with festival or espeak.  I cannot remember what it was right now.
[20:43] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/j9lf EriC^^
[20:44] <paritydrive1> still showing as swap :|
[20:44] <TaZeR> 16.04 image out yet?
[20:44] <gordonjcp> is there any way to use 15.10 on PCs with Intel graphics?
[20:44] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:45] <paritydrive1> cfdisk is showing sdb2 as swap
[20:45] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try doing it in gparted maybe
[20:45] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/bqdk
[20:46] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: now the old efi is gone
[20:46] <paritydrive1> ok i'm in gparted
[20:46] <gordonjcp> http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/videocorruption.png
[20:46] <gordonjcp> http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/morecorruption.png
[20:46] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, try deleting the swap and creating a small primary fat32
[20:46] <gordonjcp> ^ any way to fix that, apart from buying an NVidia card?
[20:46] <Pici> 50
[20:47] <paritydrive1> label?
[20:47] <paritydrive1> or not necessary?
[20:47] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: EFI partition
[20:47] <EriC^^> if you want, it's helpful
[20:49] <paritydrive1> ok created.
[20:49] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/t5zy
[20:50] <gordonjcp> is there perhaps a better channel to get some help with this video problem?
[20:51] <paritydrive1> EriC^^?
[20:52] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, looks good
[20:52] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try sudo mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt
[20:53] <paritydrive1> done
[20:53] <EriC^^> is that the root filesystem now? try ls /mnt
[20:53] <paritydrive1> what do you mean?
[20:53] <Guest68423> Quatroking, I think I found the name of the command I was looking for.  It is xclip.
[20:53] <EriC^^> is there /boot /etc /root ... in it?
[20:53] <Quatroking> Guest68423, say "word" also works lol
[20:54] <Quatroking> as long as I have gnustep-gui-runtime installed
[20:54] <paritydrive1> typing ls shows me: Documents Downloads Music etc.
[20:54] <EriC^^> oh, that's your home dir
[20:54] <EriC^^> type sudo umount /mnt
[20:55] <paritydrive1> sdb6?
[20:55] <EriC^^> try sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:55] <EriC^^> i dunno, the root fs was before the home dir though
[20:55] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/9w60
[20:55] <Guest68423> Quatroking, I think the command was something like xclip | festival or xclip | espeak, with some options in the command.
[20:56] <paritydrive1> pretty sure I made / 18gbs...
[20:56] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:56] <EriC^^> it says sdb5, i think you have to reboot
[20:57] <paritydrive1> alright
[20:57] <paritydrive1> brb
[20:57] <jog1> daftykins, reinstalled a fresh lubuntu -- chrome browser seems to be working smoothly. just fyi. thanks for help yesterday.
[20:58] <gordonjcp> does anyone know if it's possible to use Intel graphics without it being all distorted yet?
[20:59] <paritydrive1> and back :P
[20:59] <EriC^^> wb
[20:59] <gordonjcp> or any suggestions for better places to ask about getting usable graphics?
[20:59] <paritydrive1> ya so sdb5 is not root. :|
[20:59] <EriC^^> it still isnt?
[20:59] <paritydrive1> thank you Elementary installer.
[21:00] <paritydrive1> nope
[21:00] <EriC^^> odd
[21:00] <paritydrive1> I don't care, I don't have anything on there.
[21:00] <EriC^^> try sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:00] <paritydrive1> So if I have to re-install it I will.
[21:00] <Rexter> gordonjcp: The FOSS drivers for Intel are already present in the kernel. What kind of an issue are you having?
[21:00] <EriC^^> or sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:00] <gordonjcp> Rexter: unusably distorted graphics
[21:00] <EriC^^> would be better
[21:00] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/7gvt or http://termbin.com/gvbx
[21:00] <gordonjcp> Rexter: http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/videocorruption.png
[21:01] <gordonjcp> Rexter: http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/morecorruption.png
[21:01] <Rexter> gordonjcp: give me some background. What are you doing?
[21:01] <gordonjcp> Rexter: booted any version of Linux
[21:01] <gordonjcp> in this case, the 15.10 installer
[21:01] <gordonjcp> but 15.04 is identical
[21:01] <paritydrive1> ok even if I mount sdb6 its not root :|
[21:01] <Rexter> gordonjcp: this is an HP isn't it?
[21:01] <paritydrive1> gg Elementary, gg
[21:01] <gordonjcp> Rexter: ... yes...?
[21:02] <gordonjcp> Rexter: this sounds like you know something :-)
[21:02] <Pwnna> Ben42: sorry i missed messages earlier if there was any.. but are there any other ways to debug? This is happening once every couple of hours and is corrupting some files ..
[21:02] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: should I just reinstall?
[21:02] <Rexter> gordonjcp: I've seen that quite a few times, no resolution.
[21:02] <Pwnna> as it is writing some stuff
[21:02] <gordonjcp> Rexter: but it works perfectly in Haiku
[21:02] <Pwnna> i also got some i915 slowpaths in the kernel, not sure if it is related, tho
[21:02] <pbx> is it possible to easily control what notification manager is active? i installed i3, and its notification manager took over.  i installed xfce, and it did the same.
[21:03] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: no
[21:03] <gordonjcp> Rexter: problem appears to be the same on every other ICH10 system I've tried
[21:03] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: sdb5 is there, and the uuid is the one for the root fs
[21:03] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: it's odd, try sudo mount -U a0e7492e-937b-428a-8b44-059b863b9484 /mnt
[21:04] <Rexter> gordonjcp: I found that 12.04 doesn't have this issue, but 14.04 and on do, not sure about 12.10, 13.04, and 13.10.
[21:04] <paritydrive1> same
[21:04] <paritydrive1> not root, its /home
[21:04] <gordonjcp> Rexter: 12.04 had it on older machines, with intel chipsets
[21:04] <gordonjcp> Rexter: I suspect Intel graphics just aren't supported in Linux, I've never seen them work
[21:04] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: are you sure? type ls /mnt
[21:04] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: it's pretty puzzling..
[21:04] <paritydrive1> elementary@elementary:~$ /mnt
[21:04] <paritydrive1> bash: /mnt: Is a directory
[21:04] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ls /mnt
[21:04] <Rexter> gordonjcp: I've installed Ubuntu on lots of systems with Intel graphics. It's only those old HPs, and Compaq's
[21:05] <paritydrive1> yes, yes it is puzzling.
[21:05] <EriC^^> lol
[21:05] <gordonjcp> Rexter: like I said, Dell is the same, Acer appears to be the same
[21:05] <paritydrive1> I don't know what to do...
[21:05] <gordonjcp> Rexter: about the only one that doesn't do it that uses an Intel chipset is my macbook
[21:05] <Pwnna> anyone else knows what to do when you're encountering hard freezes on wily that has no log and doesn't respond to even the magic sysrq sequences?
[21:06] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type mount | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:06] <Rexter> gordonjcp: are you having the same issue on the Dell, and Acer?
[21:06] <paritydrive1> EriC^^:http://termbin.com/yft6
[21:06] <gordonjcp> Rexter: exactly the same
[21:06] <gordonjcp> Rexter: not distro-specific in any way, either
[21:06] <Pwnna> the hard freeze is that the computer stops responding to all inputs (keyboard, usb, network) but the on screen clock is somehow still ticking.
[21:06] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, try sudo mkdir /mnt2
[21:07] <Pwnna> this happens on average twice a day
[21:07] <EriC^^> then sudo mount /dev/sdb6 /mnt2
[21:07] <Rexter> gordonjcp: I havn'e see the issue on non hp/compaq machines.
[21:07] <paritydrive1> done
[21:07] <Rexter> gordonjcp: have you tried a manual installation of the Intel drivers?
[21:07] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: i have nothing saved on the install, so if I need to reinstall it I will.
[21:07] <gordonjcp> Rexter: no, are there specific ones I should look for?
[21:08] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, type ls /mnt2
[21:08] <gabriel_> how long time can take the "sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda" command?
[21:08] <paritydrive1> show lost+found myname
[21:08] <EriC^^> ok,
[21:08] <EriC^^> type ls /mnt
[21:08] <gordonjcp> gabriel_: depends how big your drive is; quite a long time potentially
[21:09] <Rexter> gordonjcp: I don't have much experience with it either:
[21:09] <Rexter> http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm
[21:09] <gabriel_> 500GB moreless gordonjcp
[21:09] <paritydrive1> ls /mnt shows bing dev etc etc.
[21:09] <paritydrive1> bin* not bing
[21:09] <EriC^^> ok, so it's right
[21:09] <EriC^^> it's the root fs..
[21:10] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo nano /mnt/etc/fstab
[21:10] <EriC^^> replace the UUID= that's before /boot/efi with
[21:10] <EriC^^> BB32-A1B7
[21:10] <EriC^^> that's the new efi's uuid
[21:10] <paritydrive1> done
[21:11] <gabriel_> gordonjcp: more than 10 hours?
[21:11] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, type sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/boot/efi
[21:11] <gordonjcp> gabriel_: possibly
[21:11] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[21:11] <gabriel_> more than 1 day?
[21:11] <gabriel_> u_u¡
[21:11] <paritydrive1> done
[21:11] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: both commands?
[21:11] <gordonjcp> Rexter: I can't actually see that site, because it can't be displayed on this machine
[21:11] <paritydrive1> grub-install?
[21:11] <paritydrive1> yup
[21:12] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, cool, not yet
[21:12] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo chroot /mnt
[21:12] <gordonjcp> Rexter: oh well, off to the computer shop to buy a huge box of el-cheapo NVidia cards tomorrow I guess
[21:12] <EriC^^> then grub-install
[21:12] <Rexter> gordonjcp: how many are you doing?
[21:12] <gordonjcp> Rexter: 50 or so
[21:12] <daftykins> jog1: glad to hear it, no worries
[21:13] <paritydrive1> EriC^^:http://paste.ubuntu.com/12897256/
[21:13] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12897256/
[21:13] <nmgkali> how can I connect to a seagate drive on ubuntu
[21:14] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: looks good
[21:14] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try update-grub
[21:14] <bekks> nmgkali: Is is some kind of network drive?
[21:14] <paritydrive1> done
[21:14] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, try efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:15] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/akn3 EriC^^
[21:15] <Rexter> gordonjcp: wow, I have had some limited success with installing 12.04, and then doing a release upgrade. That has worked for me some times, but not always... You can pick up refurbished PCIe cards with shipping for less than $20, but when you times that by 50 or so, it equals a lot.
[21:15] <nmgkali> bekks: it is a "seagate personal cloud"
[21:15] <gordonjcp> Rexter: yeah
[21:15] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: looks good
[21:15] <EriC^^> type exit and see if it boots
[21:15] <gordonjcp> Rexter: is it just because intel is crap, or something?  How can they sell such a defective chipset?
[21:16] <paritydrive1> alright.
[21:16] <paritydrive1> I'll brb.
[21:16] <bekks> nmgkali: Just follow the manual of that thing then.
[21:17] <nmgkali> bekks: it has no documentation for linux, but is does have a samba service.
[21:17] <Rexter> gordonjcp: I don't think defective is the right term. They work fine on Windows. I think just unsupported.
[21:17] <daftykins> gordonjcp: nothing wrong with intel for the most part, perhaps it's just them and Linux aren't so great at times. what's this system?
[21:18] <daftykins> most people get by just fine with intel graphics.
[21:18] <bekks> nmgkali: But it has a documentation on how to set it up and how to access it.
[21:18] <gordonjcp> daftykins: HP 8000 SFF
[21:18] <Rexter> daftykins: gordonjcp: I agree, Intel is very cooperative with Linux, but that is a retaliative term.
[21:18] <gordonjcp> Rexter: oh :-/
[21:18] <nmgkali> bekks: yeah, but it's not very helpful. I got the samba working though, I'll try that.
[21:19] <daftykins> gordonjcp: latest BIOS/EFI on the thing?
[21:19] <asad_> Can someone tell me what I should do with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12897305/
[21:19] <gordonjcp> daftykins: good point, I should check
[21:19] <daftykins> asad_: Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[21:19] <asad_> daftykins: What are these for though?
[21:19] <gordonjcp> Rexter: is Windows difficult to use?  Maybe it's worth trying that
[21:19] <Rexter> daftykins: asad_: sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:19] <daftykins> those are packages no longer needed.
[21:20] <asad_> daftykins: Yeah I know but what are they for?
[21:20] <daftykins> look them up.
[21:20] <Rexter> gordonjcp: aren't those machines licenses for XP?
[21:20] <gordonjcp> Rexter: what distro is it based on?
[21:20] <gordonjcp> Rexter: XP?
[21:20] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: nope.  Still gives me the grub prompt
[21:20] <paritydrive1> :'(
[21:20] <asad_> daftykins: I deleted the amazon app that comes with ubuntu... is this a result of that?
[21:20] <daftykins> don't know.
[21:21] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: do you get a grub menu first?
[21:21] <paritydrive1> nope
[21:21] <EriC^^> with ubuntu and windows?
[21:21] <EriC^^> that's odd
[21:21] <paritydrive1> straight to grub >
[21:21] <EriC^^> are you sure you're booted in uefi mode?
[21:22] <paritydrive1> i have sdb set as boot 1
[21:22] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, hold on
[21:22] <paritydrive1> wait I have Secure Boot off.
[21:22] <paritydrive1> err disabled.
[21:22] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: is csm legacy enabled though?
[21:22] <EriC^^> it needs to be off
[21:22] <paritydrive1> UEFI/Legacy enabled.
[21:22] <EriC^^> uefi/legacy?
[21:22] <paritydrive1> its both
[21:22] <paritydrive1> UEFI & Legacy.
[21:22] <EriC^^> can you enable only uefi?
[21:23] <paritydrive1> It was at 1st.
[21:23] <paritydrive1> didn't work.
[21:23] <EriC^^> try it
[21:23] <paritydrive1> no i meant
[21:23] <paritydrive1> the 1st time i tried like 30 seconds ago
[21:23] <paritydrive1> i switch it 5 seconds later.
[21:23] <gordonjcp> daftykins: good call; it's a pretty downlevel bios
[21:24] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, in grub type insmod linux
[21:24] <Rexter> gordonjcp: Windows is loosely based on Xerox Pilot distro ;)
[21:24] <gordonjcp> Rexter: Windows just has never really been on my radar
[21:24] <paritydrive1> what should that do?
[21:24] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: this is odd
[21:24] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: type sudo mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt
[21:24] <EriC^^> then cat /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:25] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/tmgw
[21:25] <gordonjcp> Rexter: I'm dimly aware that a couple of the computers at work use it, but my involvement with them is "plug thing in, press WRITE TO DEVICE, unplug thing"
[21:26] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, these are the lines you need to boot from grub
[21:26] <EriC^^> ill pastebin them
[21:27] <Rexter> gordonjcp: In my opinion Ubuntu Mate is the best choice for those. You may want to try that, Mate doesn't require H/W acceleration. Otherwise you'll have to get those graphics cards.
[21:27] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12897356/
[21:28] <paritydrive1> ok
[21:28] <paritydrive1> that does what?
[21:28] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: you can use tab completion for after linux /boot/<press tab>
[21:28] <gordonjcp> Rexter: I'll give that a go, is that the one based on the horrible old Gnome 2 desktop?
[21:28] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: and you might be able to use root=/dev/sdb5 instead of the uuid
[21:28] <paritydrive1> That I know EriC^^
[21:29] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: same thing for initrd you can use tab completion,
[21:29] <gordonjcp> Rexter: whether the GUI uses hardware acceleration seems not to make a difference, even LXDE shows the problem
[21:29] <paritydrive1> so this will boot me into the OS.
[21:29] <paritydrive1> correct?
[21:29] <Mythikos> So, I'm new here. Been using Linux Mint 17 up until today. I'm afraid to reboot now, because I was a bit confused during this install. Before, I had a dual-boot setup with Windows 7 and Linux Mint 17.2. I tried to override Linux Mint with Ubuntu, toward the end of install, received a fatal error. It said it could not install bootloader or something to that effect.
[21:29] <EriC^^> ok, try writing those lines in grub and see if it boots
[21:29] <paritydrive1> alright
[21:29] <paritydrive1> brb again.
[21:31] <EriC^^> Mythikos: try ls -l /sys/firmware/efi
[21:31] <EriC^^> does it exist?
[21:31] <OnkelTem> Omg
[21:31] <OnkelTem> I feel the need to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04
[21:31] <OnkelTem> How can I do this and get system live?
[21:31] <apollo_> hello everyone )
[21:31] <Mythikos> How do I access Terminal in Ubuntu?
[21:31] <EriC^^> OnkelTem: sudo do-release-upgrade
[21:31] <EriC^^> Mythikos: ctrl+alt+t
[21:31] <OnkelTem> EriC^^: will I die?
[21:32] <EriC^^> OnkelTem: not likely
[21:32] <OnkelTem> EriC^^: never? ^_^
[21:32] <apollo_> ctrl+alt+t
[21:32] <EriC^^> who knows :P
[21:32] <Mythikos> Not working :/\
[21:32] <Rexter> gordonjcp: Yes, Mate is a fork of Gnome 2.
[21:32] <OnkelTem> Mythikos: KDE?
[21:32] <Mythikos> I don't think so
[21:32] <EriC^^> OnkelTem: you'll be glad if you upgrade, 14.04 is more simple and quicker and stuff
[21:32] <apollo_> maybe Xfce?
[21:32] <gordonjcp> Rexter: didn't like Gnome 2 when it was alive, like it even less now :-)
[21:33] <OnkelTem> (in KDE the shortcut is turned off by default)
[21:33] <Rexter> gordonjcp: sure, but I assume you won't be the one using all 50 or so of these machines.
[21:33] <EriC^^> Mythikos: go to the menu or dash and search for terminal
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> gordonjcp  if you don't like it, you can easily install something different
[21:33] <gordonjcp> Rexter: it was the best of a bad bunch...
[21:33] <Mythikos> I found it in the applications
[21:33] <gordonjcp> MonkeyDust: which almost certainly brings us back to the graphics problem
[21:34] <Mythikos> cntrl+alt+t is not functioning
[21:34] <gordonjcp> Rexter: and I'm not convinced that if LXDE suffers from corruption, MATE won't either
[21:34] <Mythikos> ls -l /sys/firmware/efi is my command
[21:34] <daftykins> gordonjcp: what release do you have installed and which kernel in use?
[21:34] <EriC^^> Mythikos: yeah
[21:34] <Mythikos> No such file, etc
[21:34] <RobinHood2015> I just upgraded Ubuntu MATE 15.04 to 15.10, but now I can't connect to the Internet with my Wi-Fi connection.
[21:34] <EriC^^> Mythikos: are you using unity?
[21:34] <gordonjcp> daftykins: currently running 15.10, with whatever is on the live installer
[21:34] <EriC^^> Mythikos: ok, type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:34] <Rexter> gordonjcp: you're right. It's not a desktop environment issue. It's a kernel driver issue.
[21:34] <gordonjcp> I'm just about to reboot to the "real" install
[21:34] <daftykins> gordonjcp: ah ok, and tried that BIOS yet?
[21:35] <OnkelTem> EriC^^: I'm just tired to hear everday advices to upgrade :)
[21:35] <Mythikos> Okiedokie
[21:35] <EriC^^> OnkelTem: it's all good :)
[21:35] <apollo_> ctr+alt+f1
[21:35] <gordonjcp> daftykins: just copying it to a DOS bootable stick
[21:35] <gordonjcp> daftykins: kill or cure, I suppose
[21:35] <OneM_Industries> Hey, anyone have a guide on how to interpret the output of smartctl?
[21:35] <apollo_> ctrl+alt+f7 back graphic X
[21:36] <daftykins> i kinda suspect no change, it'll go on fine :) no death!
[21:36] <OneM_Industries> I am not sure, but I suspect that one of my machines is about to blow a couple of drives, so I am wanting to look at the smart statues.
[21:36] <OnkelTem> "You have to download a total of 2,293 M. This download will take about 7 minutes with your connection." -- well, I like to live in 21st cntr
[21:36] <bekks> OneM_Industries: So pastebin the output :)
[21:37] <dm_comp> hi, so I'm 15.04 and I need to run an application that needs X. graphwar.jar (http://graphwar.com/index.html)
[21:37] <OneM_Industries> I did, and I posted it here last night. Nobody responded.
[21:37] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: sudo apt-get install smartmontools pastebinit && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdx | pastebinit ; where sdx is the given HDD.
[21:37] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: link us again.
[21:37] <bekks> dm_comp: And whats the issue?
[21:37] <OneM_Industries> http://pastebin.com/PjL1wge5
[21:37] <dm_comp> bekks: http://pastebin.com/GBK1Ws1f
[21:37] <OneM_Industries> http://pastebin.com/4aqweJFq
[21:38] <gordonjcp> daftykins: no luck, "This program cannot be run in DOS mode"
[21:38] <gordonjcp> but it's a .exe file
[21:38] <gordonjcp> so, <shrug>
[21:38] <Rexter> gordonjcp: what version of Ubuntu are you trying again?
[21:38] <daftykins> gordonjcp: yeah you're going to need to find a way to extract it, or throw on Windows temporarily.
[21:38] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: Back and i'm in.
[21:38] <EriC^^> parityDrive: wb
[21:38] <gordonjcp> Rexter: 15.10, but all recentish versions of all distros are affected
[21:38] <gordonjcp> daftykins: uhm
[21:38] <daftykins> gordonjcp: double check the HP downloads don't have any other options
[21:38] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: it booted ubuntu?
[21:38] <paritydrive1> it wasn't hd1,msdos5 btw.
[21:38] <paritydrive1> it was hd2.
[21:38] <bekks> dm_comp: Are you starting it in a graphical terminal?
[21:38] <EriC^^> interesting
[21:38] <paritydrive1> Ya i'm in.
[21:39] <RobinHood2015> My computer will connect correctly to the Wi-Fi network, but I can't get a connection to the Internet. What's wrong here?
[21:39] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: maybe that's why it can't find the config file usually
[21:39] <apollo_> ubuntu 15.10 is realised ?
[21:39] <gordonjcp> "throw windows on"?
[21:39] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try sudo update-grub
[21:39] <gordonjcp> daftykins: how easy is that to do?
[21:39] <paritydrive1> ya I think Elementary doesn't follow the standard number convention of 0,1,2,3, etc
[21:39] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: it's possible that one's not happy, but sadly seagate have the most useless of SMART data so most fields refer to 'error' when they're actually ok, do you get any issues in "dmesg | tail" ?
[21:39] <dm_comp> bekks: I asked in the java channel and I was told I need X. not sure what you mean by graphical terminal?
[21:39] <daftykins> gordonjcp: what specifically?
[21:40] <bekks> dm_comp: "are you starting that application in X?" :)
[21:40] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: its running a bit choppy (i5, 4670k, 16gb ram)
[21:40] <gordonjcp> daftykins: "throw windows on"?
[21:40] <paritydrive1> could it be because there's not swap drive?
[21:40] <daftykins> gordonjcp: = install
[21:40] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: your second disk has definitely failed
[21:40] <OneM_Industries> daftykins: Nothing specifically related to the HDDs.
[21:40] <gordonjcp> daftykins: that looks quite complicated
[21:40] <dm_comp> how would I do that? doesn't 15.04 use Mir by default?
[21:40] <OneM_Industries> sda or b?
[21:40] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: no, swap is just used when you use up a lot of ram
[21:41] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: maybe graphics driver issue?
[21:41] <dm_comp> Mir replaced X i thought?
[21:41] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: sdb presumably, your second link - the ST31000520AS SN 9VX09723
[21:41] <paritydrive1> luca@EoS:~$ sudo update-grub
[21:41] <paritydrive1> Generating grub configuration file ...
[21:41] <paritydrive1> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-26-generic
[21:41] <paritydrive1> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.19.0-26-generic
[21:41] <paritydrive1> Found Windows Boot Manager on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:41] <paritydrive1> Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration
[21:41] <paritydrive1> done
[21:41] <daftykins> gordonjcp: installing windows and running that .exe seems complicated? nah not at all.
[21:41] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, type cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:42] <daftykins> gordonjcp: tell you what, link me to the BIOS download in a PM and i'll see if i can extract it at all
[21:42] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: curious to see if it changed the disk names
[21:42] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: did you remove the usb from the pc?
[21:42] <OneM_Industries> daftykins: Just wondering, what makes you say that?
[21:42] <gordonjcp> daftykins: I've never installed Windows before and I can't find a download that's not asking for money
[21:42] <EriC^^> btw you'll be unmuted in a sec
[21:42] <paritydrive1> sorry about that.
[21:42] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/fgwf
[21:42] <paritydrive1> ok brb eating dinner.
[21:43] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: 3 'Current Pending Sector' on line 82, that means some sectors are going bad and likely more will be on the way - then up above, you have 293 already reallocated. that disk has failed, any data on it is at risk right now
[21:43] <dm_comp> bekks: a link to a howto or/and tutorial would be appreciated on how to start application in X or graphical terminal
[21:43] <Rexter> gordonjcp: I've got an idea... Do you have one of the machines in question availabe?
[21:43] <OneM_Industries> Yeiks.
[21:43] <OneM_Industries> Ok, new drive is needed NOW.
[21:43] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: likely you've been experiencing freezes, stalls... or generally slower operation than usual
[21:43] <gordonjcp> Rexter: that's what I'm using at the moment
[21:43] <gordonjcp> Rexter: it's actually quite difficult :-)
[21:44] <jgjl> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 15.10 for trying out Open vSwitch with DPDK. However, I could not find the poll-mode drivers. Any hints?
[21:44] <Rexter> gordonjcp: Do you have another machine for this chat?
[21:44] <OneM_Industries> That is actually not the main system drive.
[21:44] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: yeah i'm sure it's just your /home, any accesses would have been getting tripped up though
[21:44] <bekks> dm_comp: Open a terminal like xterm, gnome-terminal, etc. - done. No Howto needed.
[21:44] <OneM_Industries> No, not even that.
[21:44] <Mythikos> I'm back. That ctrl+alt+f1 got me stuck in some black screen. I'll never do that again
[21:45] <gordonjcp> Rexter: yes, two ticks, I'll get my laptop
[21:45] <gordonjcp> Rexter: right
[21:45] <OneM_Industries> All it is meerly a secondary storage drive.
[21:46] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: ok, i'd stop using it if i were you - maybe even disconnect it until you get a new one to copy data to
[21:46] <Joeboy> I wrote ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso to a usb stick with usb-creator-gtk but I get "boot error" when I try to test it or boot it :-(
[21:46] <dm_comp> bekks: that's what i did. the output is from the gnome terminal in the pasetbin
[21:46] <dm_comp> bekks: I also chmod a+rx on the .jar file
[21:46] <EriC^^> Joeboy: try with dd
[21:46] <Mythikos> So, I tried to install Ubuntu over my Linux Mint 17, and now the bootloading sequence isn't working.
[21:46] <OneM_Industries> I will, thank you.
[21:46] <Mythikos> Fatal errors and death and mayhem.  I thought a straight dd didn't work with usb sticks though.
[21:48] <EriC^^> Mythikos: ok, type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:48] <EriC^^> Joeboy: no, it works with ubuntu iso's
[21:48] <Xfcej-811-1> hi , can anyone help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/12897464/
[21:48] <Mythikos> Done
[21:48] <EriC^^> Mythikos: paste the link here
[21:48] <Mythikos> http://termbin.com/txw0
[21:49] <EriC^^> Mythikos: type sudo mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt
[21:49] <wileee> Xfcej-811-1, Install or upgrade to willy?
[21:49] <Mythikos> Done
[21:49] <Xfcej-811-1> upgrade from 15.04
[21:49] <EriC^^> Mythikos: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[21:49] <Xfcej-811-1> wileee,  upgrade from 15.04
[21:50] <EriC^^> Mythikos: type the whole line
[21:50] <Mythikos> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done ...?
[21:50] <wileee> Xfcej-811-1, For all to fail it looks like a repo or general upgrade issue, bad time to upgrade day of release really, try changing repos.
[21:50] <Mythikos> You may have lost me there
[21:51] <EriC^^> Mythikos: yeah, type the whole line
[21:51] <Mythikos> Done
[21:51] <Mythikos> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[21:51] <wileee> Xfcej-811-1, Upgrade from has been done? exact context would help.
[21:51] <Mythikos> Is what I did
[21:51] <EriC^^> ok, type sudo chroot /mnt
[21:51] <Mythikos> Done
[21:51] <Xfcej-811-1> wileee, yeah i thought so, everyone is downloading right now. ill try again tomorrow maybe the servers are less busy
[21:51] <EriC^^> type grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb
[21:52] <charlie_> Hello
[21:52] <Mythikos> uh oh
[21:52] <dm_comp> jar not running in Ubuntu 15.04 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12897501/
[21:52] <Mythikos> Oh. I got it
[21:52] <OneM_Industries> Ok, second question.
[21:52] <Mythikos> Installing...
[21:52] <OneM_Industries> My main box's boot hdd has 2 bad sectors.
[21:53] <Mythikos> Finished. No errors.
[21:53] <OneM_Industries> How many bad sectors are acceptable?
[21:53] <EriC^^> Mythikos: ok, type update-grub
[21:53] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: none ideally - is this one you didn't pastebin?
[21:53] <Mythikos> Done
[21:53] <EriC^^> Mythikos: ok, type exit
[21:54] <EriC^^> and try rebooting
[21:54] <Mythikos> EriC^^ Done
[21:54] <OneM_Industries> Yes.
[21:54] <Mythikos> Okiedokie
[21:54] <OneM_Industries> I will pastebin it now.
[21:54] <wileee> Xfcej-811-1, Cool, should go pretty fast at some point, did this a week ago, smooth sailing.
[21:54] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: good stuff
[21:54] <charlie__> hello
[21:55] <OneM_Industries> I worked tech support for a while, so I have some idea on how to help more effectively.
[21:55] <OneM_Industries> http://pastebin.com/ZCMwRpYA
[21:55] <charlie__> hello yaha koi bachi hai?
[21:55] <Rexter> gordonjcp: did I loose you?
[21:55] <Xfcej-811-1> wileee,  i wanted to do a clean install , i downloaded the iso pretty fast but i have haundreds of gigs of "stuff" and no place to backup so i decided to do a upgrade
[21:55] <herrkin> hello community
[21:55] <gordonjcp> Rexter: no, I switched to a laptop and the channel got really busy
[21:56] <aninter> Anybody an idea about where to find fingerprints for the keys used to sign the isos?
[21:56] <oldgrump> Can I burn an ISO to CD with "dd if=linux.iso of=/dev/cdrom"?
[21:56] <herrkin> me again with the same problem with the swap, for a while it worked just fine, now it wont mount it
[21:56] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: mmm, what i personally do is backup any data then i zero fill the entire disk to weed out any others, if the bad sectors climb horribly... i never trust the disk again and look up warranty options, if they stay at 2... they'll be remapped and the disk might well carry on being fine
[21:56] <gordonjcp> oldgrump: no, but that'll work for USB sticks
[21:56] <charlie__> L pa charoooo salyooo
[21:56] <herrkin> sometimes it does mount it on boot, others it wont.
[21:56] <OneM_Industries> Gulp.
[21:56] <OneM_Industries> Problem is that that is the disk with my OS etc on it.
[21:57] <bekks> OneM_Industries: So take a backup and replace it.
[21:57] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: if you have another disk of greater size, back it up using clonezilla to image files, then you can do as i say
[21:57] <oldgrump> gordonjcp: I don't have brasero or k3b here. how can i burn my disc?
[21:57] <herrkin> so I get swap 0 0  0 when I type free -m
[21:57] <wingnut2626> hey is it possible to change the font size in a byobu terminal?
[21:57] <OneM_Industries> Ok. I have another, exactly similar disk, so I will try that.
[21:57] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: cool - best done from a live session - clonezilla has bootable ISOs available
[21:57] <gordonjcp> oldgrump: are you talking about actual CDs?
[21:58] <OneM_Industries> Ok, I will try that.
[21:58] <gordonjcp> oldgrump: no idea, I'm only 40, I wasn't born when they became obsolete
[21:58] <OneM_Industries> Thank you so much for all the help. ;)
[21:58] <OneM_Industries> :) *
[21:58] <gordonjcp> oldgrump: dd works just fine onto a USB stick or SD card
[21:58] <oldgrump> I'm talking about a blank CD-R disc.
[21:58] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: no problemo
[21:58] <gordonjcp> oldgrump: Back To The Future day was yesterday
[21:59] <OneM_Industries> Now, to figure this out...
[21:59] <gordonjcp> oldgrump: on a more serious note, why not just install brasero or similar?
[21:59] <EriC^^> !behelpful | gordonjcp
[21:59] <oldgrump> Okay. Thanks for the non-helpful response.
[21:59] <aninter> Anybody an idea about where to find fingerprints for the keys used to sign the iso files?
[22:00] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: good news is your WD green there is in warranty, so you can send it back to WD for a free replacement - feel free to PM me if you have any questions about it, i've probably sent over 20+ back in my time
[22:00] <OneM_Industries> I will if it is bad.
[22:00] <hedenclod> Hello
[22:00] <EriC^^> oldgrump: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning#Command_Line_.28Terminal.29
[22:00] <OneM_Industries> First, I have to figure out how to use clonezilla.
[22:00] <daftykins> it's easy :D text menu driven
[22:01] <OneM_Industries> \o/
[22:01] <Rexter> gordonjcp: Okay, so the machine in question. What's it's status?
[22:01] <Rexter> tell me about it.
[22:01] <Lord_Myth> I've returned, Eric^^
[22:01] <hedenclod> I've recently upgraded to 15.10 and I've noticed that certain programs that rely repos that don't have 15.10 become unresponsive and slow, any suggestions?
[22:01] <Lord_Myth> The procedure went well
[22:01] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: pr....?
[22:01] <charlie__> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Golu
[22:01] <oldgrump> EriC^^: thanks, i'll go read that now
[22:01] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: oh, Myth...
[22:02] <EriC^^> oldgrump: no problem
[22:02] <charlie__> Goluuuuuuuuu
[22:02] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: ok, good to know
[22:02] <lozer> ok lulooooo
[22:02] <Lord_Myth> EriC^^ Does Ubuntu have Gparted or some equivalent?
[22:02] <Lord_Myth> I wish to view my partitions
[22:02] <bekks> Lord_Myth: Yes.
[22:02] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: yeah, it has gparted, you need to install it though
[22:02] <Lord_Myth> On it
[22:02] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install gparted
[22:03] <Xfcej-811-1> wileee, i just changed the sources from United States to Main Servers and everything is going smooth, i just thought they were the same :P , no clue what happened
[22:03] <charlie__> server dow kaisa krna Golu
[22:03] <charlie__> DOwn
[22:03] <gordonjcp> Rexter: boots 15.10, has horrible graphics corruption
[22:03] <wileee> Xfcej-811-1, Excellent, who knows, heh, enjoy.
[22:04] <Rexter> gordonjcp: what is the machine?
[22:04] <Xfcej-811-1> thnx for your time wileee :P
[22:04] <Lord_Myth> I did it, EriC^^. Then I typed 'gparted' (without the quotes) into the Terminal, and it told me it wasn't installed (?)
[22:04] <gordonjcp> Rexter: HP 8000 Elite Small Form Factor
[22:04] <wileee> Xfcej-811-1, no problem. ;)
[22:04] <Lord_Myth> I know it just installed
[22:05] <herrkin> EriC^^, I remember you were helping me last time. it worked but now its screwed again
[22:05] <EriC^^> herrkin: what was
[22:05] <Lord_Myth> "sudo apt-get install gparted"
[22:05] <herrkin> the swap can't mount EriC^^
[22:05] <Lord_Myth> My luck today...
[22:05] <EriC^^> herrkin: you had installed and we used standard swap instead of encrypted?
[22:06] <Epx998> How do I change the if [ "${recordfail}" = 1 ] ; then
[22:06] <Epx998> - in the /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[22:06] <herrkin> EriC^^, I didnt do anything to it I just kept on working with the machine, all of the suddend it stopped working
[22:06] <Rexter> gordonjcp: okay, follow my instructions, you may have done some of this already. I don't care, do it again.
[22:06] <Rexter> gordonjcp: Ready?
[22:06] <EriC^^> Epx998: you can set the recordfail in /etc/default/grub
[22:06] <gordonjcp> Rexter: go
[22:06] <wileee> Epx998, fstab is where
[22:06] <Rexter> gordonjcp: Log out
[22:06] <gordonjcp> yup
[22:06] <Lord_Myth> EriC^^ Install doesn't seem to have worked
[22:06] <herrkin> I havent touched the os EriC^^ , maybe an update did.
[22:07] <EriC^^> Epx998: GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=<number> or variable
[22:07] <Lord_Myth> Or, perhaps it did work, and I cannot get it to run
[22:07] <paritydrive1> EriC^^: back :)
[22:07] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: type dpkg -l gparted | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:07] <kad_> Hi, I'm looking for a way to create a bash file that starts 1 program, sleeps X seconds and start another program. My attempt is ./programA & sleep 5 & ./programB but it start's both programs at once :/
[22:07] <Epx998> EriC^^: let me give that a shot
[22:07] <Rexter> gordonjcp: <ctrl> <alt> <F2>, then log to tty2
[22:07] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: wb
[22:07] <wileee> Epx998, Miss read ignore my comment, my bad.
[22:07] <paritydrive1> did you get the termbin?
[22:07] <Lord_Myth> http://termbin.com/yddn
[22:08] <TJ-> kad_:  "&&" not "&"
[22:08] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: yeah
[22:08] <gordonjcp> Rexter: okay so far
[22:08] <kad_> TJ- what's the difference between && and &?
[22:08] <Rexter> gordonjcp: sudo apt-get update
[22:08] <TJ-> kad_: "&" is the background-process operator; "&&" is the if-result-true-do-this operator
[22:08] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try cat /boot/efi/EFI/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:08] <herrkin> EriC^^, gparted shows sda8 as unknown
[22:09] <paritydrive1> http://termbin.com/sj8j
[22:09] <gordonjcp> Rexter: working, this is going to take some time
[22:09] <Lord_Myth> herrkin I had that same issue a few moments ago
[22:09] <Epx998> EriC^^: made the change and ran grub-mkconfig - but it still says -1
[22:09] <herrkin> and fdisk -l says its not a valid partition
[22:09] <bekks> herrkin: gdisk -l
[22:09] <kad_> TJ- programA is a webservice that just runs infinite, seems it's waiting for it to finish before it starts programB now?
[22:09] <gordonjcp> Rexter: okay, done
[22:09] <Rexter> gordonjcp: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:09] <Rexter> Then press Y, let it do any, and all updates
[22:10] <TJ-> kad_: right. "./programA & sleep 5 && ./programB"
[22:10] <oldgrump> wodim isn't on my system. is there some other common command line tool?
[22:10] <herrkin> bekks, that throws an error
[22:10] <gordonjcp> Rexter: not much to upgrade, done
[22:10] <bekks> herrkin: So pastebin the error
[22:10] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: ok, maybe it can't load the config cause it says hd1 there not hd2
[22:10] <paritydrive1> ya maybe
[22:10] <herrkin> bekks, it says problem opening -l error 2, file does not exist
[22:11] <Rexter> gordonjcp: fine, sudo reboot
[22:11] <bekks> herrkin: Then which exact command are you invoking?
[22:11] <gordonjcp> Rexter: just waiting for it to reboot
[22:11] <kad_> TJ- awesome, it finally works. Thank you very much :)
[22:11] <EriC^^> herrkin: can you pastebin sudo parted -l?
[22:11] <herrkin> ok can you remind me what was the term bin command?
[22:11] <Joeboy> EriC^^: dd worked (or at least is booting)! Thanks.
[22:11] <Rexter> gordonjcp: when it comes back up, if it logs you in, logs out again
[22:11] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try editing that file maybe
[22:12] <EriC^^> Joeboy: great, no problem
[22:12] <Rexter> gordonjcp: then go back to tty2
[22:12] <paritydrive1> ya will do
[22:12] <EriC^^> paritydrive1: try sudo nano /boot/efi/EFI/grub/grub.cfg
[22:12] <EriC^^> and put hd2 instead of hd1
[22:12] <paritydrive1> ahead of you :P
[22:13] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: gparted seems installed
[22:13] <gordonjcp> Rexter: okay
[22:13] <Lord_Myth> How do I run it?
[22:13] <Rexter> gordonjcp: tell me when you're ready for the next step
[22:13] <oldgrump> okay I'm giving up
[22:13] <oldgrump> bye
[22:13] <Lord_Myth> Typing gparted in the terminal isn't working
[22:13] <gordonjcp> Rexter: it's logged in
[22:13] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: try going to the menu and looking for it under system
[22:13] <herrkin> EriC^^, whats the termbin command please
[22:14] <Rexter> gordonjcp: tty2?, no GUI?
[22:14] <EriC^^> herrkin: sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:14] <gordonjcp> yes
[22:14] <Rexter> gordonjcp:
[22:14] <Rexter> sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[22:14] <tlt> what is termbin?
[22:14] <Lord_Myth> Okay, so the Menu is the top left?
[22:14] <Lord_Myth> And System is where?
[22:14] <herrkin> http://termbin.com/wmux
[22:14] <gordonjcp> Rexter: ah, yeah, I was about to try that
[22:14] <herrkin> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/wmux
[22:14] <Rexter> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[22:15] <gordonjcp> Rexter: yes, I'm reading the same article
[22:15] <EriC^^> TJ-: can you help herrkin set up his standard encrypted swap?
[22:16] <Rexter> gordonjcp: make sure you do sna
[22:16] <Rexter> http://pastebin.com/qt6Y9wtz
[22:16] <EriC^^> herrkin: can you type cat /etc/crypttab /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999 ?
[22:16] <herrkin> http://termbin.com/g2wo
[22:16] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: should be somewhere, under accessories maybe
[22:16] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: i can start gparted from the terminal here
[22:16] <Rexter> gordonjcp: then reboot again. I'll be eagerly awaiting to see if that worked.
[22:16] <gordonjcp> Rexter: yeah
[22:16] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: try /usr/sbin/gparted
[22:17] <TJ-> herrkin: EriC^^: where is it supposed to be?
[22:17] <tlt> EriC^^, Lord_Myth maybe he needs to close and reopen his terminal, paths might not have caught up/on yet
[22:17] <Lord_Myth> EriC^^ No such etc
[22:17] <tlt> if it was open before installing gparted
[22:17] <gordonjcp> bat's doo, vim isn't installed
[22:17] <herrkin> TJ-, what do you mean?
[22:17] <Lord_Myth> /usr/sbin/gparted
[22:17] <TJ-> herrkin: EriC^^ encrypted swap in sda8 ?
[22:18] <herrkin> yes TJ-
[22:18] <EriC^^> TJ-: yeah
[22:18] <Lord_Myth> ~$ gparted
[22:18] <Lord_Myth> The program 'gparted' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[22:18] <Lord_Myth> sudo apt-get install gparted
[22:18] <TJ-> herrkin: "cat /etc/crypttab | nc termbin 9999" please
[22:18] <EriC^^> TJ-: crypttab and fstab http://termbin.com/g2wo
[22:19] <EriC^^> herrkin: type sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:19] <Lord_Myth> I reset the terminal windows, tried 'gparted" and the one EriC^^ suggested
[22:19] <Lord_Myth> No dice
[22:19] <bekks> Lord_Myth: And why dont you just install it?
[22:19] <herrkin> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/h9ks
[22:19] <Lord_Myth> I did
[22:19] <Lord_Myth> That's the issue
[22:19] <bekks> Lord_Myth: Pastebin the output of the command "sudo apt-get install gparted" then.
[22:20] <tlt> you just quoted yourself saying gparted was not installed
[22:20] <EriC^^> TJ-: parted -l http://termbin.com/wmux
[22:20] <tlt> two minutes ago
[22:21] <Lord_Myth> http://dpaste.com/2D4TX9E
[22:21] <gordonjcp> Rexter: sna is worse, uxa cures it
[22:21] <Lord_Myth> Then
[22:21] <Lord_Myth> http://dpaste.com/02MHYFQ
[22:21] <EriC^^> it's odd, he showed dpkg -l a while ago and it was installed
[22:22] <Rexter> gordonjcp: nice!
[22:22] <Lord_Myth> My brain hurts
[22:22] <gordonjcp> Rexter: indeed
[22:22] <OneM_Industries> Is there a way from smartctl to tell how old a drive is?
[22:22] <gordonjcp> Rexter: that's a considerable saving on "free" computers
[22:22] <gordonjcp> Rexter: thanks
[22:22] <Rexter> gordonjcp: curious to see how it goes on the others.
[22:22] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: not really, just look up the model #
[22:22] <bekks> OneM_Industries: Sure, look at the poweron hours.
[22:22] <tlt> OneM_Industries, you can guess by the poweron yes
[22:22] <gordonjcp> Rexter: they're identical, less RAM
[22:23] <bekks> OneM_Industries: that will give you a good hint at least.
[22:23] <gordonjcp> Rexter: I'll just roll that into preseed.cfg when I install them
[22:23] <TJ-> herrkin: EriC^^ OK, there seems to be a bug in ecryptfs-setup-swap. The fault is it no longer adds the crypttab option "offset=1024", which means the metadata header of the partition is over-written so that next time the system boots it cannot find the UUID of the target partition.
[22:23] <Rexter> gordonjcp: but didn't you say some were Dells, and Acers?
[22:23] <OneM_Industries> Holy.
[22:23] <OneM_Industries> 33,047 poweron hours.
[22:23] <Epx998> How do I get /etc/default/grub to override /boot/grub/grub.cfg for an option like GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT?
[22:23] <gordonjcp> Rexter: oh those are just random crap floating around the workshop
[22:23] <Lord_Myth> http://dpaste.com/2EMA72P
[22:23] <gordonjcp> Rexter: it's the HPs I'm interested in
[22:23] <bekks> OneM_Industries: So it is at least 3.77y old.
[22:23] <tlt> TJ-, just tell him to mkswap the right /dev/sd*
[22:23] <EriC^^> TJ-: oh
[22:24] <OneM_Industries> Yeiks.
[22:24] <EriC^^> that's interesting
[22:24] <bekks> OneM_Industries: Aint that old.
[22:24] <EriC^^> tlt: he did, then it apparently overwrote everything in an update
[22:24] <OneM_Industries> Yeah, I know.
[22:24] <herrkin> TJ-, I think it was EriC^^ who told me to put the partition on the configuration instead of the uuid
[22:24] <tlt> uh
[22:24] <tlt> I see
[22:24] <NeverHere> Hi everyone, is there a MAAS channel or can questions about installing MAAS be asked here?
[22:24] <daftykins> Epx998: you edit then run "sudo update-grub"
[22:24] <daftykins> !alis | NeverHere
[22:24] <TJ-> herrkin: Yes, that should solve the issue. Did a reboot not mount the swap?
[22:24] <Rexter> gordonjcp: Thank YOU..... Now I know what to do the next time I run into this.
[22:24] <herrkin> TJ-, if I used the uuid it didnt mount it either
[22:25] <rww> NeverHere: #maas
[22:25] <TJ-> herrkin: which ubuntu release is it?
[22:25] <herrkin> TJ-, thats why we changed it. but it worked for a while, now it doesnt
[22:25] <gordonjcp> Rexter: yeah, stick it in preseed so when you netboot the installer you don't even have to think about it
[22:25] <herrkin> its 14.04
[22:25] <rww> NeverHere: you can ask here, but most people here probably have no experience with it
[22:25] <EriC^^> TJ-: does he have to create the partition a special way to use it with encryption?
[22:25] <TJ-> herrkin: OK, so Upstart not Systemd.
[22:26] <TJ-> EriC^^: No, the swap  gets recreated each boot with a new key from /dev/random
[22:26] <EriC^^> TJ-: i think we just created a normal swap and decided to use it without encryption at first
[22:26] <gordonjcp> Rexter: what's particularly funny is that the thumbnail screenshots in Firefox's "new tab" screen show the same corruption, from when they were grabbed :-)
[22:27] <wldcordeiro> I'm having trouble with getting my laptop to come back from a suspend. I have a Dell XPS 15 9530 and I installed 15.10 on it.
[22:27] <wldcordeiro> When I suspend and then try to start it back up the screen will stay off.
[22:27] <Rexter> gordonjcp: It may not be appropriate for all machines though, even most newer Intel boards.
[22:28] <Lord_Myth> I cannot seem to find gparted in the menu either
[22:28] <parityDrive> EriC^^: i gave up.  I've spent all day trying to fix it, need to get 8hrs of work done in 4 hrs. :P
[22:28] <Lord_Myth> I searched it with the bar, because I'm lost navigating this menu so far.
[22:28] <EriC^^> parityDrive: did you boot ubuntu again?
[22:28] <EriC^^> parityDrive: TJ- can help you i'm sure
[22:28] <TJ-> EriC^^: that won't affect things. herrkin what does this show? "grep ENABLE /etc/default/cryptdisks"
[22:29] <parityDrive> yes I did.
[22:29] <goddard> anyone know of an app that lets you simulate a web cam with a video?
[22:29] <parityDrive> and i had to manually boot into it.
[22:29] <EriC^^> parityDrive: try to modify the file again, as it was, hd1
[22:29] <parityDrive> no grub menu etc.
[22:29] <parityDrive> i did.
[22:29] <parityDrive> I'll do it after I do some work.
[22:29] <EriC^^> TJ-: it can't find the config
[22:29] <wldcordeiro> Anyone know about solutions to fixing suspend?
[22:29] <goddard> wldcordeiro: do you have a swap partition?
[22:30] <EriC^^> parityDrive: if you disconnect the other hdd's it might work maybe as a temporary fix if you need it
[22:30] <wldcordeiro> goddard: I'm not 100% sure. I installed default with LVM and an encrypted home dir, unless the install default stopped adding a swap partition I would assume so.
[22:30] <Lord_Myth> I'm baby-neckin' over here. Gparted is here, but it isn't. I don't get it
[22:31] <parityDrive> Na its ok, i have to much work to do.  I will probably move everything off sdb and redo it.
[22:31] <parityDrive> hopefully that works.
[22:31] <herrkin> TJ-, EriC^^ CRYPTDISKS_ENABLE=Yes
[22:32] <goddard> wldcordeiro: what does your system log say?
[22:32] <Lord_Myth> Does Ubuntu hate to install over another distro on a dual-bot system with Windows? Is that my issue? Do I need to Solve et Coagula?
[22:32] <wldcordeiro> goddard: where is the log?
[22:32] <goddard> wldcordeiro: just open the dash and type log
[22:33] <goddard> Lord_Myth: yes it can
[22:33] <Lord_Myth> Then it is all me, and that is worse
[22:33] <goddard> Lord_Myth: though it may not work "hassle free" depending on some partition schemes
[22:33] <Lord_Myth> I cannot access gparted to check my partitions and make sure everything is good
[22:33] <TJ-> herrkin: OK... so at boot-time Upstart will call the Sysv-init /etc/init.d/cryptdisks script, which will call /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions which in turn parses /etc/crypttab and creates nodes based on what it finds. That creates a device mapper node /dev/mapper/cryptswap1. Later, mountall will use the entry in /etc/fstab to 'swapon' the swap device
[22:33] <goddard> Lord_Myth: you in live cd?
[22:34] <Lord_Myth> Negative
[22:34] <goddard> Lord_Myth: that is why
[22:34] <wldcordeiro> goddard: Is there something I should be looking for? It's spitting out every event type known to man.
[22:34] <Lord_Myth> ?
[22:34] <TJ-> herrkin: if something is going wrong in that process we need to look at the logs, starting with the kernel log. Can you "pastebinit /var/log/kern.log"
[22:34] <goddard> Lord_Myth: you can use disks to just view them but if you want to do any modification you need to boot into live cd
[22:34] <Lord_Myth> I can't even open it to view
[22:35] <goddard> wldcordeiro: you just gotta look over the time period when you attempted a shut down
[22:35] <Lord_Myth> I have a basic graps of the whole mounted stuff cannot be modified thing
[22:35] <Lord_Myth> I just wanna SEE it
[22:35] <goddard> Lord_Myth: gnome disks doesn't show it?
[22:35] <Lord_Myth> What is gnome disks? Can I type it in Terminal?
[22:36] <goddard> Lord_Myth: type it in the Dash
[22:36] <tlt> palimpsest
[22:36] <tlt> is the 'gnome disk'
[22:36] <tlt> command
[22:37] <function-> hey guys, anyone else experience the flickering when firing up google chrome? @ xubuntu 15.10 here
[22:37] <herrkin> do I have to install pastebin?
[22:37] <herrkin> TJ-,
[22:37] <Quatroking> anybody here know how to listen to internet radio using mplayer?
[22:37] <Lord_Myth> goddard I have Disks ?
[22:37] <Lord_Myth> I mean, it is called "Disks"
[22:37] <TJ-> herrkin: if it isn't installed, do instead "cat /var/log/kern.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:37] <goddard> Lord_Myth: perfect
[22:37] <Quatroking> trying to listen to http://www.538.nl but I can't seem to figure out what address to use
[22:37] <gordonjcp> Quatroking: depends on what they're trying to serve
[22:37] <tlt> try vlc Quatroking
[22:37] <gordonjcp> Quatroking: mplayer will choke on .pls files, but you can pass it the url within the .pls file
[22:38] <herrkin> http://termbin.com/fywu
[22:38] <goddard> Lord_Myth: that should display all the disks
[22:38] <Quatroking> gordonjcp, the only thing I've found so far is .asx
[22:38] <gordonjcp> Quatroking: I can't speak Dutch, where am I looking for the "listen" link?
[22:38] <Lord_Myth> goddard Do I need a root partition, and a home one too?
[22:38] <Rexter> gordonjcp: I don't know what's going on there. Do you think you'll need to reinstall Firefox?
[22:38] <gordonjcp> Rexter: hm?
[22:39] <Quatroking> gordonjcp, "Luister Nu"
[22:39] <Quatroking> the big green button on top
[22:39] <Quatroking> it opens up a popup with a flash-driven stream though
[22:39] <Squarism> What is the best way to integrate gmail with unity?
[22:39] <gordonjcp> Quatroking: hm, so it does
[22:40] <Lord_Myth> I just wanna make sure it is all proper. I had boot issues after installing Ubuntu
[22:40] <gordonjcp> Quatroking: http://www.hendrikjansen.nl/henk/streaming.html
[22:41] <Quatroking> tried those two links already :)
[22:41] <Quatroking> hold on though, might've found one
[22:41] <coolwasim> hello i was upgrading to 15.10 from 15.04 via terminal , i am getting the following message http://paste.ubuntu.com/12897854/
[22:41] <coolwasim> am not sure what is appropriate :)
[22:41] <gordonjcp> Quatroking: my next cunning plan would be to sniff the traffic with Wireshark and see where it comes from :-)
[22:41] <goddard> Lord_Myth: no just 1 root partition
[22:42] <Quatroking> woo, got it
[22:42] <function-> coolwasim: that's for a scanner
[22:42] <Quatroking> http://edge3-icecast.538.lw.triple-it.nl/RADIO538_MP3 worked
[22:42] <goddard> Lord_Myth: some people like to break out the home directory so they can re-install easier
[22:42] <coolwasim> my pc is a laptop with dual booted ubuntu and win7
[22:42] <tlt> grats Quatroking
[22:42] <Lord_Myth> goddard I think my partitions are screwed up then
[22:42] <function-> anyone here using 15.10 with google chrome?
[22:42] <coolwasim> function-: so i t doesn't matter? :)
[22:42] <function-> coolwasim: correct
[22:42] <Quatroking> gordonjcp, haha, wireshark, haven't used that in years
[22:42] <coolwasim> thanks
[22:43] <goddard> Lord_Myth: only need a swap and a root
[22:43] <EriC^^> Lord_Myth: type echo $PATH
[22:43] <herrkin> TJ-, EriC^^ http://termbin.com/fywu in case you didnt see
[22:43] <Quatroking> firefox/chrome's network tool usually works good enough though
[22:43] <Lord_Myth> echo $PATH
[22:43] <Lord_Myth> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
[22:43] <goddard> Lord_Myth: if you do an install just remove the partitions you don't want and then create a swap and root
[22:43] <Quatroking> anyways I found a site that has the stream embedded and provided a WMP link
[22:43] <goddard> Lord_Myth: the swap should be the same size as your memory
[22:44] <Lord_Myth> goddard it is actually 2GB smaller
[22:44] <Lord_Myth> :/
[22:44] <aisam-linux> hi
[22:45] <TJ-> herrkin: there are no clues there, unfortunately
[22:45] <aisam-linux> i  love linux
[22:45] <goddard> Lord_Myth: it doesn't matter that much it is just the recommended way to go because if your memory is full it dumbs it all to disk
[22:45] <herrkin> TJ-, o.0
[22:45] <Lord_Myth> I see
[22:46] <TJ-> herrkin: let's try 'starting' that service manually and see if it works. "sudo /etc/init.d/cryptdisks start"
[22:46] <Lord_Myth> I removed uninstalled gparted since it wouldn't work
[22:47] <herrkin> TJ-, it says running but I see 0 0 0 in free-m
[22:47] <OneM_Industries> daftykins: How would I find out how many spare sectors there are to reallocate to? The person that controls the box is resisting replacing it, because apparently unless it is about to die imminently, it doesn't need to be replaced.
[22:47] <Lord_Myth> But it has been so long since I initially set up my partitions, that I don't remember any of it. Looks like a big mess and waste of efficieny and space
[22:48] <tlt> if the drive has reallocated at all it should just as well be replaced, OneM_Industries
[22:48] <TJ-> herrkin: "ls -l /dev/mapper/cryptswap1"
[22:48] <tlt> you will still have to eventually
[22:49] <OneM_Industries> I know, I know.
[22:49] <tlt> risky, have backups do
[22:49] <OneM_Industries> I just need some more data for this person.
[22:50] <OneM_Industries> There are backups.
[22:50] <herrkin> TJ-, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 oct 22 17:45 /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 -> ../dm-0
[22:50] <Lord_Myth> EriC^^ ?
[22:50] <TJ-> herrkin: It worked :D ... now do "sudo mount -a"
[22:50] <TJ-> herrkin: then "cat /proc/swaps"
[22:51] <Lord_Myth> So should I wipe the hardrive and start from scratch? I'm completely lost
[22:51] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: it doesn't work like that, you can't keep going with a disk that's shot.
[22:52] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: you need to convince them that these kinds of failures can spiral out of control, so data must be kept off it and it must be replaced immediately. Which one is the one this person is refusing to deal with?
[22:52] <OneM_Industries> I KNOW! This person does not, they are basing their assumptions on, and they stated this, 20 years ago, when bad sectors were meerly something that "Happened".
[22:52] <Guest13216> Google
[22:53] <OneM_Industries> Replaced.
[22:53] <daftykins> lol, idiots
[22:53] <OneM_Industries> They are refusing to replace it.
[22:53] <OneM_Industries> I can't exactly tell my dad that, now can I?
[22:53] <daftykins> so is it the seagate or the WD?
[22:53] <daftykins> well i would.
[22:53] <daftykins> but then my family believe me :P
[22:53] <OneM_Industries> Seagate.
[22:53] <OneM_Industries> It is one of the seagates.
[22:53] <daftykins> that's the one that's way worse
[22:54] <OneM_Industries> Yeah, I know.
[22:54] <daftykins> that thing is spiralling out of control even as is
[22:54] <daftykins> ah well, there's nothing we can do to help your situation
[22:54] <OneM_Industries> They want to know how many spare sectors it has, "Because if it is 293 out of 600, then it is a problem. If it is 293 out of 10,000, then it is not a problem.".
[22:55] <tlt> it's just as big of a problem
[22:55] <OneM_Industries> I just don't want it to fail and take out the whole kebang.
[22:55] <daftykins> i refuse to assist in a ridiculous situation like that, i've got a disk here which is 80GB... _50GB_ of it is bad because someone kept it running
[22:55] <OneM_Industries> Nice.
[22:55] <bazhang> OneM_Industries, ##hardware for this
[22:55] <OneM_Industries> Yep.
[22:55] <tlt> daftykins, it reallocates to the ordinary space map?
[22:56] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: Tell them spare-sectors only work if the disk can recover the data from a failing sector using the CRC data of that sector; if that won't work bad sectors will remain since they cannot be remapped.  That's bad.
[22:56] <TJ-> herrkin: is swap working now?
[22:57] <herrkin> TJ-, it isnt
[22:57] <TJ-> herrkin: did you use the mount command?
[22:57] <herrkin> proc/swaps blanc
[22:57] <herrkin> yes
[22:57] <tlt> try swapon -a
[22:57] <tlt> or something
[22:57] <TJ-> herrkin: OK, so let's remove the device mapper entry and re-run the init script. "sudo dmsetup remove /dev/mapper/cryptsetup1"
[22:58] <herrkin> I guess it is cryptswap1
[22:58] <TJ-> herrkin: Then, rerun the script: "sudo /etc/init.d/cryptdisks" and check again to ensure it was the script re-creating the node with "ls -l /dev/mapper/cryptswap1"
[22:58] <TJ-> herrkin: sorry, tired... typos!
[22:59] <herrkin> sudo /etc/init.d/cryptdisks it returns a message like it was not used correctly
[23:00] <TJ-> herrkin: Grr, more brain pain: "sudo /etc/init.d/cryptdisks start" and check again to ensure it was the script re-creating the node with "ls -l /dev/mapper/cryptswap1"
[23:01] <herrkin> now its there
[23:01] <herrkin> I got swap
[23:01] <TJ-> herrkin: OK, so that is working correctly. Now do "sudo blkid /dev/mapper/cryptswap1" and tell us what it reports
[23:02] <TJ-> herrkin: you did "mount -a" too?
[23:02] <herrkin> no
[23:02] <herrkin> just the start and it mounted
[23:02] <herrkin> no return for last command
[23:02] <herrkin> blkid
[23:02] <TJ-> herrkin: hmm, I'm pretty sure cryptdisks isn't supposed to mount the device-mapper node;  must be a udevd rule
[23:03] <herrkin> yes there is I forgot to type 1 at the end
[23:03] <herrkin> there is a rule
[23:03] <TJ-> herrkin: OK, well now we've proved it will work and we were using the boot-time scripts called manually,  so in theory a boot should also mount it
[23:03] <herrkin> in theory
[23:03] <herrkin> I am going to try
[23:04] <herrkin> I will be back to tell you if it worked
[23:07] <herrkin> TJ-, its on after reboot but while it was booting it said for a while it couldnt mount it
[23:07] <tlt> it always does
[23:07] <tlt> atleast with crypt set up
[23:07] <tlt> that line is always there.
[23:07] <TJ-> herrkin: that's to be expected... mountall jobs run in parallel and have to wait for their devices to appear
[23:08] <Squarism> what gmail notififier works with ubuntu/unity 14.04
[23:08] <Squarism> ?
[23:08] <herrkin> yes I noticed it did before but it still worked in the end. until now that I needed to come back here.
[23:08] <TJ-> herrkin: same happens with mdadm and/or LVM
[23:08] <herrkin> well its working for now. thanks a lot. if It happens again I would have to come back
[23:08] <tlt> don't worry about the swap line at bootup, it'll always be there
[23:09] <TJ-> herrkin: it would fail if you answered the wait prompt with (S)kip
[23:09] <tlt> yeah that's thrue though
[23:09] <herrkin> I never do, but sometimes this like keeps on the screen until the system loads
[23:09] <herrkin> then I check free -m
[23:09] <herrkin> no swap
[23:10] <tlt> you can check swap with the ' top ' command also
[23:10] <herrkin> thanks
[23:10] <TJ-> herrkin: "cat /proc/swaps" is the way to check the kernel's view of swap devices
[23:12] <herrkin> thanks again. bye for now.
[23:13] <tlt> bye herrkin
[23:13] <Epx998> anything other than recordfail that'd cause grub to wait at the menu indefinately?
[23:13] <gabriel_> dont know how i came here
[23:13] <tlt> yeah a ridiculously high timeout set
[23:16] <TJ-> Epx998: yes; missing vmlinuz-* and/or initrd-* for the default entry
[23:17] <tlt> I think it is ridiculous how short filenames have to be under ecryptfs
[23:17] <tlt> way shorter than the ext4 supported lengths
[23:18] <tlt> so everyone who "encrypts home dir" have to use relatively short filenames
[23:18] <SharonBites> mehdi: mano mikoni?
[23:19] <Epx998> TJ-: where do I validate the default entry?
[23:20] <TJ-> Epx998: if the default entry boots, then that isn't the issue.
[23:22] <TJ-> tlt: that's only if filename encryption is enabled; 140 characters is still a good margin
[23:22] <tlt> filename encryption however is enabled by default
[23:22] <tlt> but you're right
[23:23] <Epx998> bloody hell i just want this damn to boot without waiting on grub after a sudden shutdown
[23:23] <tlt> enabled by default in 12.04 and 14.04 at least
[23:23] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Please pastebin your /etc/default/grub and /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[23:24] <p444> How can i find what start up services are runnign n linux?
[23:24] <TJ-> Epx998: "after a sudden shutdown" - that is due to the OS not clearing the Simple Boot flag
[23:24] <Jordan_U> p444: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[23:24] <Epx998> TJ-: how can I fix something like that?
[23:26] <EriC^^> p444: service --status-all
[23:26] <OneM_Industries> Does fsck have a command for checking a ntfs HDD?
[23:27] <Jordan_U> OneM_Industries: No. To properly check or repair an ntfs volume you need to use chkdsk from Windows.
[23:27] <p444> Jordan_U xubuntu
[23:27] <Jordan_U> p444: What release number?
[23:27] <OneM_Industries> Bother.
[23:27] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: you would not do that.
[23:27] <OneM_Industries> That...is going to be tricky.
[23:27] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: install to a spare, then chkdsk it
[23:27] <daftykins> as in, install Windows
[23:28] <OneM_Industries> I don't really have a spare.
[23:28] <daftykins> actually you can just boot the installer
[23:28] <daftykins> then shift+F6 will run a command prompt
[23:28] <TJ-> Epx998: the  grub.cfg script has several stanzaz that set timeout=XXX based on different conditions, which are generated from /etc/grub.d/00_header. Some of those are influenced by variables set in /etc/default/grub.
[23:28] <wakeatnight> Hi, is there a way to prevent LightDM of running dunst? (starting of dunst is in Openbox' autostart.sh - no idea why LightDM is running that)?
[23:28] <p444> Jordan_U 14.04
[23:29] <wakeatnight> I see I have an old .xinitrc in my home folder with exec openbox-session. Is that the problem?
[23:31] <Jordan_U> p444: Then I belive "initctl list | grep running" will get you that information.
[23:31] <Jordan_U> EriC^^: That only works for sysvinit scripts, not for native upstart jobs.
[23:34] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Did you see my request for you to pastebin your /etc/default/grub and /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[23:34] <Joeboy> Since I upgraded to 15.10, I can see wireless APs with iwlist scan, but the network manager applet no longer contains any references to anything wireless. No "Enable wifi", no SSIDs listed. Any ideas?
[23:34] <TJ-> Jordan_U: service works with Upstart jobs too
[23:35] <p444> Jordan_U thanks, this lists things such as 'upstart-file-bridge start/running process 1799' etc. does this command show what is currently runnign or what runs on start up? Sorry for newbie questions, learning
[23:35] <ai6pg> American Human Right Wolf Defense with a firearm saves lives http://holmesivonline.com
[23:36] <Jordan_U> TJ-: From "man service" : service --status-all runs all init scripts, in alphabetical order, with the status command. This option only calls status  for  sysvinit  jobs, upstart jobs can be queried in a similar manner with initctl list'.
[23:36] <Epx998> Jordan_U: I didn't - 1 sec trying one last change.
[23:36] <TJ-> Jordan_U: From "/usr/sbin/service": "... # Upstart configuration exists for this job and we're running on upstart ..."
[23:37] <durt> Just upgraded to 15.10 lost 3g usb modem (connects but no network) anyone else?
[23:37] <Epx998> Jordan_U: Tweaking the timeouts from 0 to 5 and enabling display of the countdown
[23:38] <Jordan_U> p444: It shows what is currently running, which is pretty close to the same as what was started at boot. Maybe bootchart would give you the information you want. What is your end goal?
[23:39] <Epx998> ok making those pastebins
[23:39] <Jordan_U> Joeboy: Do you have any wireless configuration in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[23:39] <wakeatnight> Will disabling Composite in X.org cause any problems (I am not running a compositing manager)?
[23:39] <wakeatnight> I am using the radeon open source driver.
[23:40] <Jordan_U> wakeatnight: I don't see how it would, but I also wouldn't expect it to have any noticeable effect if you're not running a compositor. Why do you want to disable composite?
[23:41] <wakeatnight> Jordan_U: I use LightDM with Openbox and run dunst for notifications. For some reason, it gets loaded (or something else?) during LightDM...
[23:41] <wakeatnight> And it looks weird, black borders etc.
[23:41] <wakeatnight> I guess LightDM expects compositing.
[23:42] <wakeatnight> dunst gets loaded in Openbox' autostart.sh
[23:42] <wakeatnight> Which shouldn't be run while still in LightDM I thought.
[23:42] <Epx998> Jordan_U:
[23:43] <wakeatnight> Jordan_U: I alsa have a trailing .xinitrc with "exec openbox-session" in it. Should I remove that or is that still needed even though I run LightDM now?
[23:43] <wakeatnight> also*
[23:43] <wakeatnight> Any help would be great.
[23:43] <Epx998> etc/default/grub: http://paste.ofcode.org/NHnNubpfyduiTq76xZvr9v
[23:43] <p444> Jordan_U These are my 3goals! My goal is to 1) List all startup services my laptop are running  2) Check what each of them services are and what they are for which i will search online, 3) Configure laptop so I can turn off whats not needed to start up via command and then also configure what needs to be on during startup.. I can do it in windows but linux is different.. trying ot get into Computer Science
[23:43] <Epx998> boot/grub/grub.cfg: http://paste.ofcode.org/jKxVzZrnvQmjfAxNinX5Yi
[23:43] <tlt> wakeatnight, comment the line out with a # in front of it and just try and see
[23:44] <tlt> if it causes errors remove the # again
[23:44] <Casey> Hello?
[23:45] <Jordan_U> TJ-: That comment doesn't seem to relate to the --status-all option, which seems to only iterate through services in /etc/init.d/, as documented in the manual, but I'll admit I don't completely understand that script.
[23:45] <Joeboy> Jordan_U: I got it working! Had to enable the interface with iwconfig and restart networking, for some reason.
[23:45] <tlt> wakeatnight, if you are running lightdm with a shipped x session config then you should not really need anything in xinitrc
[23:46] <wakeatnight> OK tlt I'm gonna try it out.
[23:46] <Casey> sorry i'm new to bash, what does this code do? http://pastebin.com/mPPCUe5c
[23:47] <daftykins> Casey: ask in #bash
[23:47] <Casey> ok
[23:47] <TJ-> Jordan_U: yes, you're correct. Apologies. I missed the mention of status-all (popping in and out :)
[23:48] <Jordan_U> TJ-: No problem :)
[23:49] <TJ-> Good time to get off to bed, before the west coast starts trying 15.10 upgrades!
[23:49] <Jordan_U> Epx998: I don't see any reason why that grub.cfg should wait at the menu for anything other than 5 seconds unless a key is pressed. Can you reproduce the problem currently?
[23:50] <Epx998> Jordan_U: Yes, I am sending a 'power off hard' command vie iLO to simulate a crash of sorts.
[23:50] <tlt> no wonder you get grub errors then
[23:50] <tlt> or clean boot flag errors which is
[23:51] <Epx998> I am not getting a grub error, I am reproducing what is happening in PROD
[23:51] <Jordan_U> Epx998: And the result is it waiting indefinitely at the grub menu?
[23:51] <Epx998> How can I correct this so when something like ths happens, grub boots?
[23:51] <Epx998> Jordan_U: Yes
[23:51] <tlt> wakeatnight, how it seems?
[23:51] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Can you reproduce, then press 'c' to get to a grub shell and then "echo $timeout"?
[23:52] <wakeatnight> tlt, Jordan_U: Problem persists. I think this _isn't_ a compositing issue. I think this is the unthemed dunst...
[23:52] <Epx998> Jordan_U: Ok on it
[23:52] <wakeatnight> Is there a way to check whether it gets loaded on startup?
[23:52] <tlt> wakeatnight, it could be. Sorry to hear that though.
[23:52] <wakeatnight> If so, I would like to remove it so it only starts when I am in Openbox.
[23:53] <wakeatnight> I read about .desktop files as a means to start up programs. Can I look up if there is a dunst.desktop?
[23:53] <Jordan_U> Epx998: I wonder if your iLO setup might just be sending spurious keypresses. If grub detects a keypress, any key press, that will cancel the timeout.
[23:53] <TJ-> Epx998: Add "GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=X" to /etc/default/grub
[23:53] <Epx998> Jordan_U: I asked that with the guy who orders these servers.
[23:54] <Epx998> TJ-: I did.  Well not X, I set it to 0.
[23:54] <TJ-> Epx998: 0 == wait forever usually
[23:55] <Epx998> TJ-: hmm ok, I thought -1 was wait forever.
[23:55] <Epx998> Prior to this reset, I went back to 5 - see what happens.
[23:55] <TJ-> Epx998: You know, now you said that I'm doubting myself!
[23:55] <wakeatnight> tlt: Nope. No dunst.desktop file around. What is this unthemed/default themed dunst (or something else?) doing in LightDM?
[23:56] <Jordan_U> Epx998: TJ-: Indeed, -1 is wait forever in this case. Also note that at least since 14.04 the default has been to wait 30 seconds if a previous boot failure is detected, not to wait indefinitely.
[23:56] <tlt> wakeatnight, sorry I haven't the slightest idea!
[23:56] <wakeatnight> tlt: Ah OK. No problem.
[23:56] <Epx998> Jordan_U: This is 12.04 btw. ;P
[23:57] <Epx998> the 'echo $timeout' just returned an empty line
[23:57] <tlt> wakeatnight, if you have no custom configs or important files there, why not nuke all the respective . directories?
[23:58] <tlt> for lightdm/dunst or whatso
[23:58] <Jordan_U> Epx998: That's not normal. Are you sure you don't have a typo?
[23:58] <wakeatnight> Well I do have my dunst theme tlt
[23:58] <wakeatnight> I would like to use it
[23:58] <tlt> might be some crud from earlier and from manually exec etc
[23:58] <tlt> ok
[23:58] <wakeatnight> But it's in my home folder so LightDM can't see it I guess.
[23:58] <Jordan_U> Epx998: Or maybe it is (I just tried it myself).
[23:58] <tlt> .themes might be an official theme folder
[23:59] <tlt> try placing the theme in ~/.themes
[23:59] <daftykins> !themes
[23:59] <tlt> or at worst .Themes
[23:59] <wakeatnight> It is.
[23:59] <daftykins> !changethemes
[23:59] <wakeatnight> daftykins: Thanks but that is not the issue.