[00:01] <esox> do someone have update gutsy-> hardy ?
[00:01] <esox> I mean update issues
[00:02] <lakin> hrmmm
[00:02] <esox> On my side the cd install doesnt install grub, and repositories are unavailable
[00:03] <esox> I'm closed to give up
[00:04] <echinos> anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon failing?
[00:04] <clarezoe> can anyone help me on my wireless conection? when I run wpa_supplicant it saied 'trying to associate with xx:xx:xx:xx' then ctrl-even-disconneted -disconnect event-remove keys, and then loop
[00:05] <esox> echinos: I have problems with everything !
[00:05] <Centaur5> How can I find out which application has a memory leak?
[00:07] <tacone> Centaur5: look for the application with most memory usage in gnome system monitor
[00:08] <esox> do someone have troubles downloading updates ?
[00:08] <pen> nvm
[00:08] <LibertyShadow> not dling
[00:08] <pen> I solved it myself
[00:08] <LibertyShadow> just applying
[00:08] <pen> esox: ??
[00:09] <pen> esox: can't download updates?
[00:09] <esox> pen: no
[00:09] <LibertyShadow> can't apply updates without removing voumeid
[00:09] <LibertyShadow> right?
[00:09] <esox> just a few, and the update procedure always fals
[00:09] <crimsun> can someone who's experiencing issues with the -16 linux-image and non-Free Nvidia driver attach his/her /var/log/Xorg.0.log to bug 215778, please?
[00:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[00:09] <esox> fails
[00:10] <esox> pen: you have an idea ?
[00:10] <pen> esox: what is your problem?
[00:11] <hmuller> crimsun:  Will do, give me a few minutes to reboot ...
[00:12] <lakin> Is there a known issue with xorg in the beta?  I't consistently eating 50-100% of my cpu when _any_ rendering is going on
[00:13] <esox> pen: when I want to make the update as indicated, the update m:anager downloads evrything but at the end it says he wasnt able to download evrything... then  it leaves, the update notification icon on notification area says there are updates do download. I click on it, I have a list of more that 500 updates, and saying there is a partial update to do, if I choose ok, it says it cant update from hardy to gutsy... if I say no and c
[00:13] <esox> pen: a real nightmare
[00:14] <recon69> hi all, I got a seg_fault error in a program with the 2.6.24 kernel that does not happen in the 2.6.23 kernel -> http://rafb.net/p/b3FRKg43.html , bt is at the bottom. my questions is should  I even be asking in here?
[00:14] <pen> esox: so basically you are in hardy beta and it doesn't let you update?
[00:14] <esox> pen: if I try an update from the CD and say I dont wanrt to download latest version for the net, it looks for some stuff on the net...
[00:14] <pen> esox: or you want to upgrade from gusty to hardy?
[00:15] <pen> esox: are you using hardy? because 500 updates is a really big number
[00:15] <esox> pen:  was on gutsy, I had a very partial update and now I have something between gutsy and hardy
[00:15] <pen> esox: ok, I see
[00:15] <pen> esox: have you tried command?
[00:16] <recon69> pen: 500 only about 5 days worth I would think
[00:16] <esox> pen: I dont know command line for update
[00:16] <pen> recon69: i agree
[00:16] <pen> esox: run this, update-manager -d
[00:17] <crimsun> recon69: interesting.  Does setting /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space to 0 help?
[00:17] <pen> esox: sometimes if update manager doesnt' work, you can always go to command lines
[00:17] <crimsun> recon69: and by "2.6.24 kernel", I presume you mean the latest Ubuntu linux-image -16?
[00:17] <esox> pen: this command opens update manager...
[00:17] <pen> crimsun: what is the improvement in -16?
[00:17] <pen> esox: did  you add -d?
[00:18] <recon69> crimsun: well i only at 15
[00:18] <esox> pen: yes...
[00:18] <crimsun> pen: compared to..?
[00:18] <recon69> that is 2.6.24-15
[00:18] <m1r> i have problem with dhcp server and openbsd-inetd , they dont start anymore after install? anyone having similar problems ?
[00:18] <pen> esox: for me it will update with that command, i don't know what you type in
[00:19] <esox> pen: update-manager -d
[00:19] <esox> this is what I typed
[00:19] <pen> esox: and it just open update manager?
[00:19] <pen> esox: no update?
[00:19] <daekdroom> Restricted Driver Manager doesn't detect my X200M video. How do I install - that exact- driver?
[00:20] <esox> pen: and the update manager says its a partial updat and some updates were not installed
[00:20] <esox> pen:  I can choose between partial update and close...
[00:20] <pen> esox: if you open the update manager from the command line try to update just like normal
[00:20] <pen> esox: so partial
[00:21] <pen> it will remove the old conflict dependencies
[00:21] <pen> esox: then install the new versions
[00:21] <esox> pen: no... it says update not possible, a upgrade from hardy to gutsy is not supported with this tool
[00:22] <esox> pen: I'm fighting with that since 5 hours now...
[00:22] <hmuller> crimsun: attached one for your review
[00:22] <pen> esox: hardy to gusty??
[00:22] <pen> esox: then try no and update the rest
[00:23] <pen> esox: after that try update with partial
[00:23] <esox> pen: I told you, I was on gutsy and wanted to update to hardy
[00:24] <esox> pen: it says some packet cnat be downloaded from servers, do you want to continue ignoring those packets ?
[00:26] <esox> pen: if I say yes, it starts a bit and then says again it cant find some packets
[00:26] <pen> esox: no, the dialog means that some packages has dependencies of the newer system
[00:26] <pen> esox: at least
[00:26] <pen> esox: you update the other packages that are not conflict
[00:27] <pen> esox: that would probably solve the problem
[00:27] <Centaur5> tacone: sorry for the delay I used ps aux since system monitor didn't tell me what it was.  I'm still not sure what's doing it.
[00:27] <pen> esox: if you choose no
[00:27] <esox> pen: http://pastebin.org/29114
[00:27] <pen> esox: ok, I see, go to synaptics source and change server
[00:27] <Centaur5> tacone: /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 is the line that is climbing extremely fast in memory consumption.
[00:28] <pen> esox: seems like the local server doesn't have the files you want
[00:28] <pen> esox: do you speak french?
[00:28] <pen> lol
[00:28] <DanaG> libvirtError: virDomainCreate() failed Failed to add tap interface 'vnet%d' to bridge 'br0' : Operation not permitted
[00:28] <esox> pen: I am french
[00:28] <DanaG> argh.
[00:29] <pen> esox: try other servers
[00:29] <pen> esox: it would solve your problem I think
[00:29] <KrimZon> my libgl1-mesa-dev doesnt have a libGL.a in it
[00:29] <esox> pen: how can I try on other servers ?
[00:29] <daekdroom> Restricted Driver Manager doesn't detect my X200M video. How do I install - that exact- driver?
[00:30] <pen> esox: open your synaptics manager
[00:30] <esox> pen: ok
[00:30] <esox> pen: and ?
[00:30] <recon69> crimsun: changed /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space to 0 , made no difference
[00:30] <pen> esox: go to menu: settings|repositories
[00:30] <pen> esox: there you can change the server
[00:31] <esox> pen:  cant find where
[00:31] <pen> esox: I don't know how to type that in french
[00:31] <pen> esox: it's in the menu
[00:31] <pen> settings
[00:31] <pen> repositories
[00:32] <tacone> Centaur5: sorry, I have no idea.
[00:33] <pen> esox: got it?
[00:33] <esox> pen: it doesnt work, I tried already, it says repositories changed, ask to click on reload, I do it, and then retry settings repositories that says repositories changed, etc...
[00:34] <Centaur5> tacone: Okay, I guess I'll just blame the bug on X then.  :)
[00:34] <pen> esox: what is the problem? can't you update still?
[00:34] <esox> pen: cant open repositories selection
[00:34] <crimsun> recon69: and also setting /proc/sys/kernel/maps_protect to the same value?
[00:35] <esox> pen: from synaptics, or from system /administration
[00:35] <pen> esox: in synaptics it's in the menu, you can also find that in system/administration called synaptics source
[00:36] <esox> pen: with the same negative result
[00:36] <pen> esox: run this: gksu --desktop /usr/share/applications/software-properties.desktop /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk
[00:37] <daekdroom> Restricted Driver Manager doesn't detect my X200M video. How do I install - that exact- driver?
[00:37] <esox> pen: it asks for passwd and then nothing
[00:37] <pen> esox: no new window?
[00:37] <esox> pen: no...
[00:38] <pen> esox: so you said you can't open the window from synaptics? It's under menu settings|repositories
[00:38] <pen> esox: that is strange
[00:39] <pen> esox: if you can open synaptics you should be able to open software source
[00:39] <esox> pen: I know...
[00:39] <esox> pen: I can still open sources.list...
[00:39] <esox> pen: in a text editor...
[00:40] <pen> esox: then try to change the server in sources.list
[00:40] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I just burnd a data-dvd in k3b.. go to burn another disk.. and now k3b cant see the dvd drive
[00:40] <pen> esox: I use the server in US, do you mind using that for now
[00:40] <pen> ?
[00:40] <crimsun> hmuller: I really meant with the Nvidia driver and not with the vesa driver :-)
[00:41] <crimsun> hmuller: since we can't do much if the Nvidia driver isn't being attempted
[00:41] <esox> pen: even a chinese one if you want
[00:41] <pen> esox: what do you mean? do you really want to change the server?
[00:42] <m1r> after last upgrade compiz stoped working and i cant enable it anymore, nayone having simmilar issues ?
[00:43] <esox> pen: yes, but dont know how to do that ? change fr to us ?
[00:43] <tacone> Centaur5: yeah :)
[00:43] <crimsun> hmuller: it may involve creating your own /etc/xorg.conf
[00:43] <crimsun> /etc/X11/xorg.conf, sheesh
[00:43] <pen> esox: change every uncomment string from fr.archive.ubuntu.org to archive.ubuntu.org
[00:43] <esox> pen ok I try that
[00:44] <pen> save that then try to reload
[00:44] <pen> esox: or just go to update manager
[00:44] <Black_Magic> is there a DNS Server i can run off my computer
[00:44] <Black_Magic> im doing Internet -> laptop -> unused router -> Wifi Connected Winxp Desktop
[00:44] <Black_Magic> its going kinda slow :/
[00:45] <esox> pen: its fr.archive.ubuntu.com, not . org
[00:45] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: lets pretend for a minute that this channel has anything to do with your problem ... why do you have it setup like that? Why not put the router behind the cable/dsl model like it should be?
[00:46] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: I already have a Router in my network...
[00:46] <Black_Magic> its just a fourm of internet connection sharing...
[00:46] <pen> esox: sorry
[00:46] <esox> pr
[00:46] <pen> esox: then try change it to archive.ubuntu.com
[00:46] <esox> pen: ok
[00:46] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: windows ICS?
[00:47] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: ICS?
[00:47] <leftyfb> is the laptop a windows machine?
[00:47] <leftyfb> how is the laptop sharing the internet?
[00:47] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: it goes Wireless ADSL Router -> laptop -> eth0 -> router <- WinXP Wireless Machine
[00:47] <Black_Magic> laptop is Ubuntu
[00:47] <Black_Magic> its the one sharing internet..
[00:48] <Black_Magic> the windows machine is reciveing
[00:48] <leftyfb> isn't that what the ADSL router is for?
[00:48] <pen> esox: does that solve it? can you do partial update?
[00:48] <hmuller> crimsun:  I'm back, I have one created previously and in use, because of x (mis)autoconfiguration
[00:49] <thompa> latest update hosed my wireless and also hardware drivers wont open
[00:49] <Black_Magic> Only have One Ethernet port...
[00:49] <Black_Magic> i mean Cord
[00:49] <Black_Magic> and no USb's
[00:49] <esox> pen: one minute, it asked for the CD, for the first time...
[00:49] <hmuller> crimsun: The xorg.conf I created works in -15
[00:49] <m1r> Black_Magic: why not conect xp to 1st wlan router ?
[00:49] <Sergeant_Pony> has anyone gotten sound to work with xchat?
[00:49] <pen> esox: because in the software source you check to ask for CD
[00:49] <erle-> Raspberry, now totem let x crash without firefox running
[00:50] <erle-> just the totem player
[00:50] <yippy> will ubuntu 8.04 include firefox 3 ?
[00:50] <pen> esox: uncheck that so it won't ask for cd
[00:50] <yippy> and pidgin 2.4.1 ?
[00:50] <Black_Magic> m1r: Because its a Modem Not really a Router...
[00:50] <esox> pen: stuff are happening
[00:50] <erle-> but after x restart i opened the same file and it did not crash again
[00:50] <pen> yippy: of course, and the lastest one b5
[00:50] <Black_Magic> Just Ethernet...
[00:50] <m1r> Black_Magic: it has wireles ?
[00:50] <pen> esox: what do you mean? is it updating?
[00:50] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: if the ADSL router is a router(how many LAN ports does it have?) , and you only have 1 cord, then plug the cord into your laptop like you're doing now and connect the xp machine to the ADSL router wirelessly. I don't don't what the problem is here.
[00:50] <esox> pen: by luck, I just burned a CD
[00:50] <esox> pen: yes think so
[00:50] <leftyfb> then it's a not a router
[00:50] <yippy> pen: but firefox 3 is far away from final, no ?
[00:50] <leftyfb> make that straight next time
[00:50] <leftyfb> now
[00:50] <pen> esox: you don't need the cd, just uncheck the cd in software source
[00:51] <thompa> network manager dissapeared in -26 now back on -24 its also gone
[00:51] <yippy> firefox 3 final is due in a few month, no ?
[00:51] <pen> yippy: I don't know, I think b5 is far better than the other betas
[00:51] <esox> pen: I think french servers are out of order, I have thos issue since 2 days
[00:51] <pen> yippy: b5 is very stable now
[00:51] <pen> yippy: for the final I don't know
[00:51] <leftyfb> plug your REALY router into the ADSL MODEM, plug the laptop into the router using a cord and connect the xp machine to the real router wirelessly
[00:51] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: Router = No Wireless Capability....
[00:51] <pen> esox: I see
[00:51] <Black_Magic> The first one...
[00:51] <leftyfb> jeezus
[00:51] <Black_Magic> ADSL
[00:51] <yippy> so 8.04 final will uses a major non-final product ?!?
[00:51] <thompa> i think latest compiz wont let me open certain windows of apps
[00:52] <pen> esox: actually, when I go to my server list, in french there is no server called fr.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:52] <esox> pen:  hope it wont install in english...
[00:52] <leftyfb> the ADSL modem is not a router, it's a modem .... this "router" you have ... is it wireless?
[00:52] <pen> esox: I can give you some french servers
[00:52] <hmuller> crimsun:  I didn't scroll up far enough.  That log was with nvidia.  You'll notice nvidia is mentioned in the log, but it's using vesa.
[00:52] <pen> esox: you can change it again
[00:52] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: The ADSL is Modem Correct and the extra router is wireless
[00:52] <esox> pen: yes ok
[00:52] <yippy> how can 8.04 LTS come out with beta firefox in it ?!?
[00:52] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: then try connecting things like they should and like i've told you 3 times to do
[00:52] <hmuller> crimsun: I'm in -15 now, do you want a copy of this Xorg.0.log to compare with that produced with -16?
[00:52] <m1r> Black_Magic: then switch routers
[00:52] <Black_Magic> and i want the computer to go through my Firewall and use My IP not the routers...
[00:53] <crimsun> hmuller: yes, please.
[00:53] <Black_Magic> so i can host servers etc on it and such
[00:53] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: ADSL modem -> wireless router -> ubuntu laptop via ethernet + xp machine via wireless
[00:53] <hmuller> crimsun: It'll be there shortly
[00:53] <leftyfb> that's how it's done
[00:53] <leftyfb> regardless ... this channel is for help with Ubuntu Hardy Heron, not half-assed network configurations
[00:54] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: I came in here asking about DNS server not how to set it up
[00:54] <Black_Magic> all im looking for is a DNS server i can host off computer...
[00:54] <Black_Magic> i already have mostly everything else working
[00:54] <pen> esox: I got ftp.crihan.fr, ubuntu.univ-nantes.fr, wwwftp.ciril.fr, ubuntu.univ-reims.fr, ftp.free.fr
[00:54] <mneptok> Black_Magic: don't run DNS unless you have to
[00:54] <pen> esox: then them
[00:54] <Black_Magic> mneptok: Why not?
[00:54] <yippy> how can 8.04 LTS come out with beta firefox in it ?!?
[00:54] <pen> esox: *try
[00:54] <mneptok> BIND is a security nightmare. or, at least, has been.
[00:54] <leftyfb> Black_Magic: you're doing it half-assed
[00:55] <Black_Magic> leftyfb: im fine with that....thank you
[00:55] <pen> yippy: 8.04 is not released yet, only beta
[00:55] <yippy> isn't 8.04 out in 2 weeks ?
[00:55] <yippy> the final version that is
[00:55] <pen> yippy: by then FF3 would be out of beta too I think
[00:55] <pen> yippy: I hope
[00:55] <hmuller> crimsun: It's there for your review
[00:55] <m1r> .
[00:55] <yippy> FF3  final won't be out till july atleast
[00:55] <pen> yippy: oh
[00:55] <yippy> it still has "release canidates" to pass on
[00:55] <pen> yippy: I thought beta 5 is the last one
[00:55] <crimsun> hmuller: I'll try to look later; busy ATM and going to have dinner
[00:56] <yippy> pen: last beta, now there will be release canidate 1 and 2
[00:56] <yippy> the question is what does 8.04 come with ?
[00:56] <hmuller> crimsun: I'm not in a rush.  Just trying to help.
[00:56] <pen> yippy: for  the beta version it's b3 i think
[00:56] <leftyfb> so ..... lets talk about this compiz problem ... what happened exactly?    Have an Intel 82801H sound card on the laptop.  Where do I go from here?
[00:57] <usser> leftyfb, update it, they all should be there now
[00:57] <m1r> leftyfb: :)
[00:57] <Moot-point> jonathan_: install OSS4
[00:57] <leftyfb> Moot-point: what's wrong with the "stupid upgrade manager"?
[00:57] <yippy> Moot-point, "do-release-update -d"
[00:57] <esox> pen: thanks for the help
[00:57] <Moot-point> yippy: thank you :)
[00:58] <pen> esox: did them work for you?
[00:58] <esox> pen: I'm stll on us servers
[00:58] <jonathan_> Moot-point, thats not in the repos is it?
[00:58] <esox> still
[00:58] <pen> esox: ok
[00:59] <Dr_willis> wow - cd burning sort of worked once.. then crashed again. Bummer.
[00:59] <leftyfb> usser: ah, thanks ... looks like the MIT server is a bit behind in updating
[01:00] <Moot-point> jonathan_: honestly, i'm not sure. i don't think so
[01:02] <jonathan_> Moot-point, just wondering, but why do you recommend it?  Will Alsa not support that card?
[01:06] <Moot-point> jonathan_: i had good experiences with that exact card and OSS4, but i'm sure Alsa will work when configured right. it probabaly needs an options model= command... i would do some google digging
[01:07] <mneptok> except Hrdy uses PulseAudio, not ALSA, by default
[01:07] <Moot-point> don't get me started on pulseaudio
[01:08] <majost> I thought pulseaudio is a soundserver?
[01:08] <majost> not a driver set
[01:09] <m1r> i am folowing this tutorial : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer , but dhcp server and openbsd-inetd refuses to start after installed, what i am doing wrong ?
[01:09] <leftyfb> hm
[01:09] <leftyfb> jockey-gtk is dieing and compiz is still broken, just differently :)
[01:10] <m1r> netkit-inetd was replaced with openbsd-inetd , does that have any problems with starting needed services ?
[01:10] <leftyfb> I think compiz isn't working because jockey-gtk (restricted drivers manager? ) isn't starting
[01:10] <Moot-point> leftyfb: what's wrong with your compiz?
[01:10] <daekdroom> jockey-gtk is useless when failsafe resets your xorg.conf and you can't proprely configure it using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:10] <Moot-point> leftyfb: that would do it
[01:10] <Moot-point> leftyfb: what video card?
[01:10] <daekdroom> and yes, jockey-gtk is broken but don't blame it.
[01:11] <leftyfb> Moot-point: it broke with the last update, wouldn't start or anything, even lose ccsm, etc ... the update fixed that much, but compiz still won't start and neither will "Hardware drivers"
[01:11] <Moot-point> leftyfb: what video card?
[01:11] <daekdroom> I can't install my video drivers using jockey even when it works because Xorg.conf doesn't set which is the video card.
[01:11] <m1r> i have same problems here Moot-point
[01:12] <leftyfb> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550]
[01:12] <leftyfb> that's one machine
[01:12] <leftyfb> out of 3
[01:12] <leftyfb> the other is Intel, this is nvidia
[01:12] <Moot-point> leftyfb: you don't need restricted drivers to run compiz with a 9550, radeon+AIGLX works fine
[01:12] <leftyfb> so it's not video card brand/driver specific
[01:12] <leftyfb> it's not video card brand/driver specific
[01:12] <leftyfb> I have all 3 running here and "jockey-gtk" dies on all 3
[01:13] <Moot-point> leftyfb: it wouldn't seem that way, why are you using jockey?
[01:13] <daekdroom> Moot-point: Do you know how I get a xorg.conf like using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg like in Gutsy? I need to have my videoboard name setted in xorg.conf to use jockey :/
[01:13] <leftyfb> that's what the "hardware drivers" manager uses now
[01:13] <daekdroom> Btw, lastest version of jockey seems to be broken.
[01:13] <leftyfb> I wanted to check it out to make sure the restricted driver was enabled, but it's dieing
[01:13] <leftyfb> bingo
[01:14] <m1r> :)
[01:14] <m1r> ok 3 of us with same problem :)
[01:14] <Moot-point> leftyfb: as i said, you shouldn't need it
[01:14] <daekdroom> I start it from console emulator and it gives a traceback
[01:14] <leftyfb> Moot-point: shouldn't need it for better ATI/nvidia performance?
[01:14] <pen> Is there anyway to remove applet from the gnome-panel?
[01:14] <m1r> Moot-point: that error we get when trying to run restricted driver manager , Jockey-gtk crashing
[01:14] <pen> I add the dwelling mouse
[01:14] <Moot-point> pen: sessions-manager
[01:14] <pen> I can't right click to remove it
[01:14] <daekdroom> but even when it was working it didn't detect my ATI card. and I NEED a correctly made xorg.conf (new dpkg-reconfigure doesn't set it right, neither does displayconfig-gtk)
[01:15] <leftyfb> Moot-point: restricted drivers are required for better performance for most ATI and Nvidia cards
[01:15] <pen> Moot-point: I can't finr it
[01:15] <pen> Moot-point: I mean
[01:15] <Moot-point> leftyfb: that's arguable on the ati side
[01:15] <m1r> leftyfb: correction : for preformance :)
[01:15] <pen> Moot-point: the applet I want to remove from the panel
[01:15] <pen> Moot-point: they are not in the session maanger
[01:15] <Moot-point> leftyfb: besides, you can always package/compile from ati's site
[01:15] <crimsun> hmuller: please, please attach a version using the Nvidia driver.
[01:15] <Moot-point> pen: is it in ps -e?
[01:15] <crimsun> hmuller: in -16, that is.
[01:16] <leftyfb> Moot-point: you're in the wrong mindset for ubuntu and the average user
[01:16] <crimsun> hmuller: you'll probably need to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf specifying Driver "nvidia"
[01:16] <Moot-point> leftyfb: that's extremely true, but this is a beta ;)
[01:16] <hmuller> crimsun: nvidia won't load in -16
[01:16] <hmuller> crimsun: even sudo modprobe nvidia
[01:16] <pen> Moot-point: ps -e?
[01:16] <hmuller> crimsun:  my xorg.conf already includes that
[01:17] <pen> Moot-point: you mean it's a process that I can terminate?
[01:17] <pen> Moot-point: it's an applet for gnome-panel
[01:17] <daekdroom> How do I set my xorg.conf in a way that it'll make jockey-gtk detect my videoboard?
[01:17] <leftyfb> regardless, on the machine with ATI, when trying to enable advanced desktop effects, jockey-gtk crashes and compiz is not enabled. This is broken and a problem.
[01:17] <pen> Moot-point: i can't right click to remove
[01:18] <crimsun> hmuller: where does the modprobe fail?
[01:18] <xtknight> hmuller, speaking of the nvidia problem right?
[01:18] <xtknight> yes sudo modprobe nvidia freezes
[01:18] <xtknight> taints the kernel
[01:18] <Nwallins> Hi, apt is reporting 49 packages held back
[01:18] <daekdroom> jockey-gtk won't work anymore on ubuntu 8.04 because there isn't any tool to configure xorg.conf, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg resets it and displayconfig don't set the stuff that jockey needs to work.
[01:18] <xtknight> whatever's in lrm no longer works for the new kernel
[01:18] <hmuller> xtknight: yes
[01:18] <Nwallins> how can i diagnose / resolve?
[01:19] <daekdroom> Nwallins: did you try apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:19] <hmuller> crimsun: I'll have to reboot into -15 to get you the specific error message, you want it?
[01:19] <crimsun> hmuller: did you mean into -16?
[01:19] <daekdroom> hmuller: didn't you read the topic?
[01:19] <crimsun> hmuller: and yes, that would be good.
[01:19] <Nwallins> daekdroom: trying now
[01:19] <hmuller> crimsun: yes
[01:19] <xtknight> daekdroom, it's a differnt problem
[01:19] <Nwallins> daekdroom: i think that will work -- thought I tried it earlier
[01:19] <hmuller> crimsun:  back in a 2
[01:19] <leftyfb> daekdroom: what does that mean exactly? Are you saying it's temporarily broken or are we in a transition to another solution? Because the way it is right now is not good.
[01:20] <daekdroom> leftyfb: What I mean is that Ubuntu 8.04 will have some serious issues with hardware detection :p
[01:20] <xtknight> jockey-gtk crash is known, Bug 215027
[01:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215027 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215027
[01:20] <xtknight> been trying to nag some people in the know, about it
[01:20] <leftyfb> i'll go file a "me too"
[01:20] <leftyfb> since this needs a bit of attention
[01:20] <xtknight> there's packages there for you to try
[01:20] <xtknight> that fix the issue
[01:20] <crimsun> I should remove that topic bit.
[01:21] <gluer> q: what benefits do i get from upgrading gutsy to hardy?
[01:21] <xtknight> ya change it to nvidia problems --> Bug 215976
[01:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215976 in ubuntu "nvidia driver not found with 2.6.24-16 kernel(64 bit) (dup-of: 215778)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215976
[01:21] <xtknight> :p
[01:21] <daekdroom> leftyfb: sarcasm apart. I can't make jockey detect my videboard because it's device name isn't set at xorg.conf and there's no tool that makes it, as they made a new dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as it doesn't configure anything now
[01:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[01:22] <daekdroom> leftyfb: and Envy, downloaded driver and tutorials to install fglrx always make X break.
[01:22] <leftyfb> daekdroom: has this always been the case? jockey was detecting my ATI and nvidia drivers just fine until today jocket won't even run, forget detecting hardware.
[01:22] <xtknight> gluer, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta
[01:22] <Moot-point> Envy is from the devil
[01:22] <hmuller> crimsun: produced by sudo ...: FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[01:22] <ethana2> Moot-point: I've heard that before
[01:22] <ethana2> Moot-point: you baptist?
[01:22] <ethana2> ^_^
[01:23] <xtknight> hmuller, crimsun ya same thing here.  and sudo modprobe -i nvidia (skip install cmd) reports 'no module nvidia' or something like that
[01:23] <leftyfb> Hope this gets fixed soon, less than 2 weeks till release. RC in 2 days.
[01:23] <daekdroom> leftyfb: it stopped detecting after I got the first time into failsafe. Failsafe makes a new xorg.conf that doesn't set device names. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't set em anymore. Do you get the situation?
[01:23] <leftyfb> er, RC in 6 days, sorry
[01:23] <xtknight> hmuller, 64bit?
[01:23] <Moot-point> hmuller: so.. you broke it?
[01:23] <daekdroom> leftyfb: I have no way to make it work except if I get an untouched xorg.conf to edit.
[01:23] <hmuller> xtknight: yes, amd64
[01:23] <crimsun> I need to catch my gf for dinner, but I'll be back late tonight.
[01:23] <hmuller> crimsun: enjoy
[01:24] <leftyfb> daekdroom: I guess, although I never need to drop into fail-safe-doesn't actually fix anything mode. Not to mention, you should have at least 1 or a few backups of your xorg.conf that you can pull from.
[01:24] <hmuller> Moot-point: Quite the opposite, trying to help fix it
[01:24] <leftyfb> daekdroom: or at the very least, boot to a live cd and pull that one.
[01:25] <hmuller> xtknight: with sudo -i ..., I get:  FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[01:25] <daekdroom> leftyfb: Hm. Well. I tried xorg.conf backups, but not LiveCD.. Even tho I think LiveCD uses a generic xorg.conf
[01:25] <xtknight> hmuller, yup
[01:25] <xtknight> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  gives you a fresh xorg.conf, and under Device just add your driver name
[01:25] <xtknight> daekdroom, ^
[01:25] <xtknight> if that's what you were needing
[01:25] <daekdroom> xtknight: but in which string should I do it?
[01:25] <daekdroom> I tried "boardname" and "Device"
[01:26] <xtknight> daekdroom, under Section "Device", add "Driver" "nvidia"  or xyz
[01:26] <daekdroom> xtknight: No No no!
[01:26] <leftyfb> regardless of jockey, compiz is still broken ... not sure if this is dependent on jockey working or not.
[01:26] <daekdroom> I need to set the device name.
[01:26] <daekdroom> So jockey will see my videoboard
[01:26] <xtknight> daekdroom, Identifier?  BoardName?  VendorName?  under Device as well
[01:26] <xtknight> i think jockey uses pci ids not boardnames?
[01:27] <xtknight> but i dont know
[01:27] <daekdroom> It probally uses xorg.conf
[01:27] <xtknight> i mean, jockey worked on my first boot
[01:27] <xtknight> that's the point of jockey
[01:27] <daekdroom> Because it doesn't see my videoboard since first failsafe
[01:27] <daekdroom> and my vboard works nice on Windows
[01:27] <xtknight> daekdroom, i am surprised jockey even runs for you
[01:28] <xtknight> unless you applied the patch above?
[01:28] <daekdroom> hm. It doesn't run since last patch.
[01:28] <daekdroom> but it ran before it, however it never detected my vboard after first failsafe
[01:28] <xtknight> ah
[01:33] <CoasterMaster_> Are the current updates broken?
[01:33] <daekdroom> jockey-gtk is broken
[01:34] <xtknight> nvidia is also broken
[01:34] <daekdroom> only for kernel -16 (64 bits I think)
[01:34] <Moot-point> well nvidia is broken because jockey is broken :P
[01:34] <xtknight> nah
[01:34] <Turski> i think kernel dependencies are broken
[01:34] <daekdroom> Those problems are unrleated
[01:34] <xtknight> yea
[01:34] <daekdroom> *unrelated
[01:35] <daekdroom> jockey doesn't run on kernel -15, nvidia driver does
[01:37] <leftyfb> ok, fixed the jockey-gtk with the patch posted in the bug report ... but compiz is still broken
[01:37] <CoasterMaster_> is there a way to kill pulseaudio?
[01:37] <tacone> compiz back again ?
[01:37] <Turski> http://pastebin.com/m515d9bc1
[01:37] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: permanently?
[01:38] <Turski> that's kinda weird
[01:38] <CoasterMaster_> Xiol, no
[01:38] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: sudo killall -9 pulseaudio
[01:38] <CoasterMaster_> i did killall pulseaudio, but is there anyother
[01:38] <Turski> ah, that problem is grub related
[01:38] <CoasterMaster_> i think it died on it's own, but i'll kill it again
[01:38] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: use -9, basically a force kill
[01:38] <Moot-point> coastermaster: pkill pulseaudio ?
[01:38] <Turski> grub-probe: error: Cannot get the real path of `/dev/sdb'
[01:39] <CoasterMaster_> Yeah it was already dead from when I asked nicely ;)
[01:39] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: could always try shutting it down with it's init script.. (sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop)
[01:39] <CoasterMaster_> Xiol, thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
[01:39] <Turski> yeh, now my upgrade is working
[01:40] <CoasterMaster_> And as one more question, I hear this batch of updates breaks things...is that true?
[01:40] <Turski> had old hd in devices.map
[01:40] <Xiol> CoasterMaster_: it's beta... try it and see :) (no but seriously, what? haha)
[01:40] <Luckrider> it was yesterdays updates Coaster_Master
[01:40] <Luckrider> and they fixed it is a couple of hours
[01:41] <CoasterMaster_> oh hey I have two copies of Xchat open!
[01:41] <Luckrider> I have already updated twice since that
[01:41] <CoasterMaster> hello other me
[01:41] <Luckrider> lol
[01:41] <Xiol> haha
[01:41] <cipher_> hi. is there a way to get compiz working again? latest upgrade broke compiz because the package libcompizconfig0 was left with the old version 0.7.2 and all others where upgraded to 0.7.4 :(
[01:41] <Luckrider> I do that sometimes on accident
[01:41] <CoasterMaster> that's the dangerous part about more than one desktop :)
[01:41] <daekdroom> cipher_: they broke compiz but it'll be fixed soon.
[01:41] <Luckrider> lol
[01:41] <Luckrider> !compiz
[01:41] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[01:42] <Luckrider> I doubt that there is anything useful there
[01:42] <cipher_> ah ok. its just that one package - almost looks like they just forgot it ^^
[01:43] <CoasterMaster> they probably put a 1 instead of a zero :)
[01:43] <tacone> all: ok, compiz works again. you have just to reinstall it
[01:44] <Xiol> if you don't know what compiz is, someone describing it as a "compositing window manager" is not going to help you at all
[01:44] <tacone> sudo apt-get install compiz-gnome (and compiz-settings-manager and maybe fusion-icon)
[01:44] <m1r> i am trying to follow this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer , but dhcp server dont start after install, what could i do about it ?
[01:45] <Xiol> what dhcp server are you using? can't you start it manually with it's init.d script?
[01:45] <Fritzel> does anyone have a clue why mplayer keeps refusing to play quicktime or real media, it looks like it's going ot play it but then it decides it works too hard and demands a raise
[01:45] <Xiol> its*
[01:45] <m1r> Xiol , dhcp3-server
[01:45] <Luckrider> xiol ubotu is a bot, so it doesn't understand
[01:45] <Xiol> Fritzel: codecs installed?
[01:46] <Fritzel> as far as I can tell, but I don't really know
[01:46] <Xiol> Luckrider: i know, i'm just making an observation :)
[01:46] <Luckrider> oh
[01:46] <Luckrider> you are talking about whoever wrote that
[01:46] <Xiol> m1r: have you tried starting it manually?
[01:46] <Luckrider> i think there is a funny command hold on
[01:46] <Luckrider> !snacktime
[01:46] <leftyfb> ok, might have found the compiz problem .....
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snacktime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <Luckrider> oh
[01:46] <m1r> Xiol , /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start/stop/restart , fails always
[01:46] <Luckrider> hmm, I can't remeber it
[01:46] <Luckrider> !snack
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <Luckrider> nope
[01:47] <Fritzel> Xiol: do you happen to know the name of the codecs package?
[01:47] <Xiol> Fritzel: not sure tbh. have you tried running "apt-cache search quicktime"?
[01:47] <m1r> Xiol , even if i uninstall it and install it again, it dont start
[01:48] <Xiol> m1r: hmm, to be honest i'm not sure what else to suggest then. is your config correct?
[01:48] <visik7> why Xrandr doesn't work on nvidia on hardy ?
[01:48] <m1r> Xiol , think so
[01:49] <Xiol> m1r: i'd double check. if the server isn't starting but it's installed correctly it's probably falling over on the config
[01:49] <leftyfb> for anyone with compiz problems still : sudo apt-get install compiz-gnome libdecoration0 libdecoration0-dev (after fixing the jockey-gtk problem from https://launchpad.net/bugs/215027 )
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215027 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'getSections'" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:49] <Xiol> Fritzel: think you're looking for libquicktime1
[01:49] <Fritzel> alright I'll try that thank you
[01:49] <m1r> ok, i recheck  , tnx Xiol
[01:49] <Pelo> my usb flash drive now mount read only and as volumes (ie I get a pie chart when I right click > properties) , and I can'T get them back as before when I was in gutsy where I could write to them , I trie dto chagne permission , the owner doesn'T even have enought access to change them and I'm root
[01:51] <Fritzel> that didn't work
[01:51] <Xiol> hmm
[01:52] <Fritzel> I'm going to see if I have any better luck with vlc's plugin
[01:53] <cipher_> leftyfb still unmet dependencies when i try to install compiz-gnome. some packages are still on the wrong version
[01:53] <Xiol> Fritzel: do you have the ubuntu-restricted-extras package installed?
[01:53] <Xiol> Fritzel: some quick googling tells me you may have luck with that
[01:53] <leftyfb> cipher_: update /upgrade again, then try
[01:53] <leftyfb> cipher_: using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:53] <Fritzel> no but I do have kubuntu-restricted-extras and I'm on kubuntu
[01:53] <leftyfb> the MIT mirror I was using wasn't updated yet
[01:54] <Xiol> ah, i presume that's the same thing then
[01:54] <Xiol> not tried KDE for a few releases now, should really get a VM set up...
[01:54] <Fritzel> trying vlc now
[01:55] <cipher_> leftyfb there we go. i got de.archive.ubuntu.com   ... i guess i just have to wait few mins/hours
[01:55] <leftyfb> just change de to us for now
[01:55] <leftyfb> :%s/de.archive/us.archive/g
[01:56] <leftyfb> in vi
[01:58] <DanaG> Error starting domain: virDomainCreate() failed Failed to add tap interface 'vnet%d' to bridge 'br0' : Operation not permitted
[01:58] <DanaG> argh.
[01:59]  * Pelo reports that his permission problem seems to have been fixed in -22
[02:00] <m1r> Xiol: tnx m8, it seems it didnt create /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[02:01] <compwiz18> anyone else having trouble with their mouse double clicking instead of simply single clicking when any button is pressed?
[02:01] <Tu13es> hmm
[02:01] <m1r> compwiz18: yes, somtimes it does start to doubleclick on all
[02:01] <Fritzel> Xiol: I could use mplayer plugin for firefox if you happen to know how to get rid of the blockyness
[02:01] <Tu13es> my Intel 3945abg died with today's updates
[02:01] <Tu13es> doesn't show up in ifconfig
[02:01] <Tu13es> what can I do?
[02:02] <cipher_> leftyfb thx!! the us.archive is working. compiz packages have now correct versions and are working
[02:04] <leftyfb> ok, now i gotta go babysit a datacenter for a couple hours
[02:04] <leftyfb> bbl
[02:07] <DanaG> Error starting domain: virDomainCreate() failed Failed to add tap interface 'vnet%d' to bridge 'br0' : Operation not permitted
[02:07] <Jaffarkelshac> !grub
[02:07] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:08] <DanaG> where'd sn9 go?
[02:11] <visik7> anyone got problems with nvidia ?
[02:14] <DanaG> Hmm, apparently I have to gksudo virt-manager.
[02:14] <DanaG> Otherwise, it doesn't work.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> visik7,  No nvidia problems here.
[02:18] <DanaG> I haven't installed the latest nvidia update.
[02:18] <DanaG> No changelog == I don't install.
[02:19] <visik7> Dr_willis: resolution panel doesn't work here and nvidia-settings neither
[02:19] <visik7> moreover dual head broke composite
[02:20] <Dr_willis> I havent updated/upgraded today.  Yet.... :)
[02:20] <american> anyone have luck getting ati grpahics card to work with suspend/hibernate?
[02:20] <visik7> there aren't any Xorg or nvidia related upgrade
[02:21] <Dr_willis> visik7,  i am using a xorg.conf generated by the nvidia tools.  that may be why mine is working. :)
[02:21] <visik7> mmm
[02:21] <visik7> I could try with the gutsy xorg.conf
 Does anyone knows who manufactures Dell's laptop motherboard's? I can't find any reference to a manufacturer in the mobo itself. Any manufacturer will do, for any model</offtopic>
[02:22] <Pici> x1250: perhaps #ubuntu-offtopic would be a better place to ask.
[02:23] <x1250> aa didn't know that channel, thanks Pici
[02:23] <xtknight> visik7, amd64?
[02:24] <tacone> question: what kernel should I have right now ? I have .15.
[02:24] <xtknight> x1250, see if you can find the oem in "sudo lshw" or "sudo hwinfo"
[02:24] <xtknight> tacone, best stay with .15 if you have amd64/nvidia
[02:24] <tacone> also: shuold I have the package "linux" installed ? (I've not)
[02:24] <xtknight> tacone, not needed as linux-image supplies 'linux'
[02:24] <tacone> xtknight: sigh, I have.
[02:25] <xtknight> tacone,  Bug 215976
[02:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215976 in ubuntu "nvidia driver not found with 2.6.24-16 kernel(64 bit) (dup-of: 215778)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215976
[02:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[02:25] <xtknight> same
[02:25] <xtknight> :(
[02:25] <visik7> xtknight: no
[02:25] <x1250> xtknight: the laptop is dead right now, ac jack connector trouble...
[02:25] <visik7> xtknight: why ?
[02:25] <xtknight> visik7, known issue with amd64/nvidia.  are you using hardy and having trouble with nvidia?
[02:26] <daekdroom> x1250: It's a couple different manufactures
[02:26] <visik7> xtknight: definitly
[02:26] <xtknight> visik7, i386 though and the module ins't loading is it?  did you get the .16 kernel update?
[02:26] <x1250> daekdroom: do you have any name/website?
[02:26] <daekdroom> x1250: Did you try checking Dell website itself?
[02:26] <visik7> xtknight: the module loads
[02:26] <tacone> thanks xtknight, I should note I had problems with nvidia even with the current kernel.
[02:26] <xtknight> ah
[02:26] <xtknight> tacone, interesting
[02:27] <xtknight> .15/nvidia was fine here
[02:27] <x1250> daekdroom: there's no mention of the laptop parts manufacturers. I guess Dell makes some parts, but not others.
[02:27] <visik7> xtknight: but xrandr doesn't work and composite is broken when running in dual head  (even if the Xorg.log says that damage and compiste are enabled but compiz says it isn't)
[02:27] <tacone> xtknight: I have Intel+Nvidia
[02:27] <xtknight> tacone, same here
[02:27] <tacone> xtknight: I solved installing via nvidia website
[02:27] <daekdroom> x1250: I don't think any comp manufacturer use OEM motherboards nowdays
[02:27] <tacone> using their installer
[02:27] <xtknight> tacone, yeah i could do it although this bug is important as it will break a lot of peoples' machines
[02:28] <daekdroom> *think any
[02:28] <xtknight> eh
[02:28] <xtknight> i doubt Dell manufactures their own boards?
[02:28] <x1250> me too
[02:28] <tacone> xtknight: my question is. why didn't I get any upgrade question to the new kernel ?
[02:28] <daekdroom> Dell don't manufactures boards
[02:28] <daekdroom> that "don't" wasn't supposed to be there
[02:28] <daekdroom> :p
[02:28] <xtknight> ah
[02:28] <visik7> xtknight: moreover gutsy 64 hasn't all this problems
[02:29] <xtknight> tacone, prolly cause you need to do dist-upgrade
[02:29] <tacone> xtknight: thanks
[02:30] <xtknight> visik7, not really sure what the deal is, w/ your config
[02:30] <xtknight> visik7, you didn't enable xinerama did you?
[02:30] <xtknight> compiz requires twinview
[02:30] <visik7> xtknight: mmm
[02:31] <DanaG> Okay, here's my impression of using virt-manager instead of virtualbox: it sucks -- my VM can't connect to the network.
[02:31] <x1250> I guess is something silly, but I wanted to know how much would cost to build you own custom laptop, just curious
[02:31] <Fritzel> evil evil discovery channel :P
[02:31] <visik7> xtknight: you pjut doubts in my mind I'll check when I'll reboot into hardy
[02:32] <Fritzel> thought I'd watch some mythbusters and I can't get to the client to watch em online it pulls a, you're not windows, therefore I'm not giving you the client
[02:32] <tacone> xtknight: dist-upgrade tells nothing
[02:32] <tacone> xtknight: shuold I apt-get install linux ?
[02:32] <xtknight> Fritzel, search for a greasemonkey script
[02:32] <DanaG> ... and it makes my desktop twitch in color.
[02:32] <DanaG> *blink* *twitch* *flicker*
[02:32] <Fritzel> to do what?
[02:32] <xtknight> tacone, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:32] <DanaG> quite continuously.
[02:33] <xtknight> Fritzel, bypass the windows check
[02:33] <tacone> xtknight: already did
[02:33] <xtknight> prolly one for discovery channel
[02:33] <xtknight> tacone, you prolly need to reboot for the new kernel -16 to load
[02:33] <tacone> xtknight: apt-get told there's nothing to upgrade.
[02:34] <Fritzel> I'm sorta doubting that FF3B5 will be compatible with something like that
[02:34] <Fritzel> I'll look though
[02:34] <Fritzel> can you install firefox 2 and 3 at the same time?
[02:34] <xtknight> greasemonkey is popular
[02:34] <xtknight> so probably
[02:34] <xtknight> Fritzel, ya
[02:36] <Luckrider> how do i show what operating system I am using in xchat?
[02:36] <Dr_willis> i noticed that i have ff2 and 3 both installed.. and the firefox-2 command..launches firefox3
[02:37] <xtknight> hmm
[02:37] <Luckrider> that is strange, is it pointing to the right place?
[02:37] <xtknight> use the shortcut?
[02:37] <xtknight> might need to close all FF3 windows before trying firefox-2 i dunno
[02:37] <Luckrider> yes
[02:37] <Luckrider> that might help xtknight
[02:38] <ethana2> greasemonkey is popular because sites are scripted poorly
[02:38] <Luckrider> you can only runn one version at a time
[02:38] <ethana2> they expect everyone to use black against white
[02:38] <Fritzel> xtknight: ot dpesm
[02:38] <ethana2> ..white against black is better
[02:38] <Fritzel> -cough-
[02:38] <Dr_willis> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2008-04-02 19:56 /usr/bin/firefox-2 -> ../lib/firefox/firefox-2*
[02:38] <xtknight> ?
[02:38] <Fritzel> xtknight: it doesn't look like there is one
[02:38] <Luckrider> how do i show what operating system I am using in xchat?
[02:38] <Luckrider> anyone?
[02:39] <visik7> Luckrider: we are not interested :)
[02:39] <Luckrider> oh
[02:39] <VousDeux> hello, I am in the process of upgrading Kubuntu to version 8.04 LTS...it has stopped and says that a new version of /etc/bash_completion is available...it says that the installed version has been locally modified and wants to know if I want to keep the local version or install the package maintainer's version...I did not personally modify this file and I don't know which choice would be better...any thoughts?
[02:40] <xtknight> VousDeux, package maintainer
[02:40] <DanaG> Or hit D to see the difference.
[02:40] <visik7> VousDeux: replace with the one provided by the new package
[02:40] <amerio> hey guys , the latest update of hardy I got stopped compiz-fusion  from working , any idea?
[02:41] <VousDeux> I looked for the difference, but I probably would recognize it if it bit me
[02:41] <visik7> VousDeux: replace with the one provided by the new package
[02:41] <xtknight> amerio, do you use nvidia?
[02:42] <xtknight> and amd64?
[02:42] <amerio> xtknight yup the output of "compiz --replace" in terminal is "Couldn't find a perfect decorator match; trying all decorators Found no decorator to start"
[02:42] <usser> VousDeux, even if u keep to override it this file is not essential dont worry
[02:42] <VousDeux> okay, thanks everyone
[02:42] <acmeDS> :o
[02:42] <usser> amerio, update again it was missing some packages
[02:42] <usser> amerio, initially
[02:42] <amerio> usser i made another update and restarted but same problem
[02:43] <xtknight> amerio, amd64?
[02:43] <amerio> stknight intel
[02:43] <gaminggeek> ubuntu had decided that my screen res is 1024 x 768 although I want 1440x900
[02:43] <prana> using sun-java6-jre, when i'm on battery and running javaws, pdflush/kjournald seem to want to flush some data every second. any ideas why?
[02:43] <xtknight> amerio, are you running 32bit or 64bit ubuntu though
[02:43] <amerio> stknight 32
[02:43] <amerio> ops
[02:43] <xtknight> amerio, ok see if direct rendering is enabled.  glxinfo | grep rendering
[02:44] <usser> amerio, check if compiz-gnome is installed
[02:44] <amerio> xtknight yes its enabled
[02:44] <visik7> gaminggeek: I've solved a similar situation removing /etc/X11/xorg.conf (backup it first)
[02:44] <Ketzerei> I keep getting an [Errno 5] Input/Output error when I try to install Ubuntu. Any suggestions?
[02:44] <Ketzerei> About 20% through the installler process. Earlier today it got completely through, but GRUB didnt install correctly and hasnt been able to finish since.
[02:44] <visik7> Ketzerei: damaged support ?
[02:44] <gaminggeek> visik7: but I have all the stuff for my tablet in there
[02:44] <Ketzerei> What?
[02:45] <amerio> usser: thanx =)
[02:45] <visik7> Ketzerei: damaged media ?
[02:45] <visik7> gaminggeek: back it up
[02:45] <usser> amerio, did it work?
[02:45] <visik7> gaminggeek: or delete all but that settings
[02:45] <amerio> usser: yup i've installed compiz-gnome
[02:45] <Ketzerei> No, the live cd check checks out, the md5 is fine, i burned using k3b at 16x, etc.
[02:45] <amerio> xtknight thanx to you too
[02:45] <Ketzerei> Its all fine.
[02:45] <usser> amerio, oh nice.
[02:45] <Ketzerei> It does the same thing with 7.10
[02:46] <xtknight> amerio, you fixed it>
[02:46] <Ketzerei>  alternate too. Same with kubuntu.
[02:46] <gaminggeek> visik7: there is nothing in there hardy handles the xserver differently
[02:46] <amerio> xtknight yup i installed compiz-gnome , re-run the compiz and its working now
[02:46] <xtknight> ahh
[02:46] <amerio> thanx all .. cheers
[02:48] <jscinoz> hmm
[02:49] <jscinoz> i wish usplash was replaced by splashy, splashy is so nice :P
[02:49] <DanaG> I want fbsplash, myself.
[02:49] <DanaG> It makes consoles look nice.
[02:50] <jscinoz> never heard of it, i'll give it a look
[02:50] <teamcobra> hey everyone
[02:50] <Noah0504> Hardy is dimming the screen on my notebook every time at boot.  Anyone know what's up?
[02:50] <jscinoz> but still, splashy is light years ahead of usplash
[02:50] <teamcobra> fbsplash is nice
[02:50] <daekdroom> jscinoz: tried to brainstorm it?
[02:50] <jscinoz> Noah, try system > preferences > power management > and untick dim display on idle
[02:51] <jscinoz> noah, you may need to do that on both AC power  and battery tabs
[02:51] <Noah0504> jscinoz: I'll do that and reboot.  I'll let you know.
[02:51] <jscinoz> daekdroom, i'll go have a look it its on brainstorm, theres also a 21 page thread going with a vote in favor of splashy by 82% http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=477426
[02:52] <jscinoz> also, splashy could help with the SlickBoot spec.
[02:52] <jscinoz> i've got both splashy and X running at 1280x800x24 so there's no mode change :D
[02:52] <jscinoz> also got my console running at that res :)
[02:54] <DanaG> WTF?
[02:54] <DanaG> My VM didn't get an IP address.
[02:55] <Fritzel> is there any reason that opera designed for 7.10 wouldn't work on hardy?
[02:55] <Fritzel> a package designed for 7.10 rather
[02:55] <daekdroom> Because there are changes in lib versions from gutsy to hardy
[02:56] <Fritzel> so don't try it then?
[02:56] <daekdroom> No. It's just not sure it'll work.
[02:56] <jscinoz> splashy 0.4 is going to be so nice, custom shape progress bars, GL support, festival integration, fsck support (only thing usplash is winning on :P) and multivector progress bars (circles!)
[02:56] <Fritzel> if it doesn't work would it be a pain to cleanup?
[02:56] <jscinoz> fritzel, if its a deb, and it install without and dependency hackery, then no
[02:56] <teamcobra> woah, gl and festival support
[02:56] <teamcobra> that's pretty big
[02:57] <jscinoz> http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/roadmap
[02:57] <Fritzel> ok umm how do I install a local deb?
[02:57] <jscinoz> fritzel, from console "sudo dpkg -i debpath" or double click it :P
[02:57] <jscinoz> graphical deb installer is gdebi-gtk
[02:58] <Fritzel> do you happen to know the kde equivilant of gdebi-gtk?
[02:58] <jscinoz> one second
[02:58] <jscinoz> gdebi-kde
[02:59] <Fritzel> thank you
[03:01] <jscinoz> ugh, suspend is annoying >_<
[03:01] <Noah0504> jscinoz: That didn't work.  I also tried unticking the backlight brightness.  It still dims the brightness on boot no matter what it is set to.
[03:01] <jscinoz> hang on a sec
[03:02] <jscinoz> *waits for google to load, curses throttled internet connection*
[03:03] <Noah0504> jscinoz: Ouch.
[03:03] <jscinoz> Noah0504, there appears to be a bug filed with this problem https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/12637
[03:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12637 in linux-source-2.6.15 "LCD Brightness on Laptop Always Set Very Low at Boot" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:03] <jscinoz> see if anything on that page is of use.
[03:04] <jscinoz> this is annoying, s2ram works perfectly with the --force option, s2disk works perfectly, but s2both only suspends to disk, as there's no way for it to pass the --force to the suspend to ram portion >_<
[03:04] <Noah0504> Yeah, I've already gone through it.  There's not really a fix.  Just people commenting on the problem.
[03:05] <jscinoz> ugh, out of ideas then >_<
[03:06] <Noah0504> jscinoz: It's something I can live with, just annoying.
[03:06] <Noah0504> haha
[03:06] <jscinoz> hmm, anyone know where the suspend to ram whitelist lives?
[03:06] <Noah0504> We'll see if maybe it gets fixed.
[03:07] <jscinoz> I was lucky enough to have one of those laptops where almost everything works out of the box
[03:07] <jscinoz> webcam, 3 audio in/out ports (all are independently switchable between input or output), suspend (aside from the issue i mentioned above), glx (with nvidia driver), multimedia keys, even the little remote it came with work :)
[03:07] <jscinoz> xps m1330 <3
[03:08] <Ketzerei> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4700200#post4700200 <--- Can anyone help me?
[03:08] <jscinoz> those screenshots are fun to load on my current connection >_<
[03:08] <jscinoz> Dodgy hard disk?
[03:09] <Ketzerei> No, see thats the thing, its just fine....
[03:09] <jscinoz> i had something like that a while ago, turned out the disk had bad sectors.
[03:09] <jscinoz> oh
[03:09] <jscinoz> >_<
[03:09] <Ketzerei> I've installed tons of oses on it, including kubuntu, but now NOTHING will install and fsck says its fine.
[03:10] <jscinoz> thing is, fsck checks the file system, afaik it doesnt do lowlevel checks like bad sectors
[03:10] <jscinoz> and since you're formatting the disk with new partitions
[03:10] <Ketzerei> How do i do that then?
[03:10] <jscinoz> not too sure, hang on a minute
[03:10] <Ketzerei> Okay
[03:10] <bjron> what's the difference between eth0 and eth0:avahi ?
[03:10] <bjron> (this avahi bit is new to me)
[03:11] <m1r> wohooo PXE install working , tnx for all who helped out
[03:11] <jscinoz> Ketzerei, apparently the disk manufacturer should provide a bootable ISO on thier website (western digital, seagate, etc) that can do low level checks
[03:11] <jscinoz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83223
[03:11] <tech0007> is is safe to upgrade to -16? i dont use any restricted drivers.
[03:12] <Ketzerei> Okay... thanks
[03:12] <jscinoz> Ketzerei, also looking at how you were going to partition it, i would recommened making separate partitions for / and /home
[03:13] <Ketzerei> Why? I've never done that before, and have never needed too
[03:13] <jscinoz> if you ever need to reinstall or want to do a clean upgrade you can keep configuration and documents and such
[03:13] <jscinoz> as they are stored on /home
[03:14] <Ketzerei> Okay
[03:14] <jscinoz> on your 80gb disk, i'd go for 10gb root and the rest /home  (minus your double ram sized swap)
[03:14] <jscinoz> how much RAM have you got installed?
[03:14] <kadko> I'm sorry if I download the Ubuntu Hardy when it will be oficial released my "beta vercion" will update to the final vercion or i need to redownload the new vercion?
[03:15] <jscinoz> kadko, will update automatically through update-manager, apt-get, synaptic or whatyever
[03:18] <Ketzerei> 1.5 gb
[03:20] <Ketzerei> Hey, does anyone know how to determine you hd model without opening your case?
[03:20] <Ketzerei> your*
[03:20] <acme64> yo guys
[03:21] <jscinoz> ketzeri, then do 10gb root, 67gb home and 3gb swap. Note that home may need to be a bit smaller due to disks usually being smaller than advertised
[03:21] <xtknight> how do i install KDE4 Kubuntu on a regular Ubuntu installation?
[03:21] <xtknight> there's no kubuntu4-desktop for example
[03:21] <acme64> need help installing the nvidia drivers in 8.04
[03:21] <echinos> anyone else having problems with gnome-settings-daemon failing?
[03:21] <Megiddo> acme64: search envy and linux in google
[03:21] <prakriti> when I do updates and it says it cant install all packages, should I do a partial update or something like an unsafe-upgrade from the command line?
[03:21] <xtknight> !envy
[03:21] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[03:22] <acme64> ty
[03:22] <xtknight> acme64, just goto system administration hardware drivers
[03:22] <echinos> acme64: give it a shot, worked for me, just make sure you install the kernel-headers too
[03:22] <acme64> kernel headers?
[03:23] <echinos> yeah... apt-get install kernel-headers-<kernel-version>
[03:23] <echinos> it's so the nvidia driver module can be installed
[03:23] <acme64> oic xtknight
[03:23] <jscinoz> Ketzeri, there was a command but i forgot it >_<
[03:23] <acme64> ill wait for the adept thing to finish
[03:23] <xtknight> acme64, do you have amd64?
[03:23] <acme64> c2d
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[03:23] <xtknight> acme64, which ubuntu did you download, 32bit or 64bit?
[03:23] <acme64> 32
[03:23] <xtknight> ah you're fine then
[03:24] <acme64> your kinda cute urself
[03:24] <xtknight> lol
[03:24] <xtknight> yes hardware drivers is a lot easier to use ;)
[03:24] <acme64> ;)
[03:24] <acme64> i remember insalling them on feisty
[03:24] <xtknight> except you'd need to use envy or nvidia.com if you had 64bit.  as it's broken
[03:24] <acme64> that was a nightmare
[03:24] <xtknight> right now at least
[03:25] <Megiddo> Has there been any bug reports regarding wired networks? KNetworkManager says that it's sending packets but never receiving in Hardy, but it's working fine in Gutsy
[03:26] <DanaG> That's odd: my qemu VM has no sound card.
[03:26] <acme64> i just had to troubleshoot my eth0
[03:26] <DanaG> So far I've seen nothing that makes me want to switch to qemu / kvm over virtualbox.
[03:26] <acme64> had to adjust some forcedeth settings
[03:26] <acme64> what card u using Megiddo
[03:26] <Megiddo> Not sure of the model, it's on my Asus mobo
[03:26] <m1r> DanaG: vbox still no1 ;)
[03:27] <VousDeux> After I upgraded to Hardy, I had no cursor control (neither the USB mouse nor touchpad would work). I tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (with and without the -phigh), but it keeps throwing an error about overwriting possibly-customised configuration file.
[03:27] <acme64> i got an asus too..
[03:27] <acme64> nvidia chipset?
[03:27] <Megiddo> Correct acme64
[03:27] <acme64> lol same problem as me i bet
[03:27] <Megiddo> What did you do to fix it?
[03:28] <acme64> gotta do uh..forcedeth msi=0 msix=0
[03:28] <Megiddo> Is that a command or a config?
[03:28] <VousDeux> I copied the xorg.conf to xorg.conf.hardy, then restored the xorg.conf that worked in Gutsy...I also tried booting the older 14-generic kernel
[03:29] <acme64> uh
[03:29] <VousDeux> I have not had any luck finding anything on Google about this.
[03:29] <acme64> no idea lol
[03:29] <acme64> i had to do rmmod forcedeth
[03:29] <acme64> or soemthing to that effect
[03:30] <acme64> then the msi=0 command, then uh, something.../network restart
[03:30] <VousDeux> any idea how I can get my mouse control back?
[03:30] <acme64> sorry, im a noob at all this, and i dont remember right
[03:31]  * DanaG casts FORCEDETH upon ye all.
[03:31] <DanaG> That name really does sound like a spell of some sort.
[03:31] <Megiddo>  # rmmod forcedeth
[03:31] <Megiddo> # modprobe forcedeth msi=0 msix=0
[03:31] <Megiddo> # /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:31] <Sergeant_Pony> did anyone figure out about jockey-gtk crashing?
[03:31] <Megiddo> Like that acme?
[03:32] <acme64> yea!
[03:32] <Megiddo> Yay okay
[03:32] <Megiddo> I'll give hardy another shot then
[03:32] <acme64> heh
[03:33] <acme64> OOH
[03:33] <acme64> its forced eth
[03:33] <acme64> lol
[03:33] <Megiddo> Yes
[03:33] <acme64> i was wondering why i was forcing death on my board...
[03:33] <Megiddo> Haha
[03:33] <acme64> leenux so crazy
[03:33] <acme64> ok, that system driver thing isn't launching now
[03:33] <acme64> window never opens
[03:34] <Sergeant_Pony> ?
[03:34] <Megiddo> As far as downloading a daily build (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20080411/), is that using the latest packages or is it everything pulled from SVN?
[03:34] <Megiddo> Or Git or whatever each package uses
[03:34] <acme64> brb gotta reboot
[03:36] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone?
[03:40] <adiabatic> hi, I'm running update manager, and I got a 404 error for xorg (iirc) and said I didn't want to continue. what should I do to fix this? Just wait longer?
[03:44]  * adiabatic starts a full upgrade
[03:44] <adiabatic> ok, a partial full upgrade
[03:48] <esox> when I use wine : jean-martin@jm:~$ wine Desktop/ConfWiFi.exe
[03:48] <esox> preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000
[03:48] <esox> err:dosmem:setup_dos_mem Cannot use first megabyte for DOS address space, please report
[03:49] <IdleOne> #winehq
[03:50] <esox> IdleOne:
[03:50] <esox> OK
[03:51] <bjron> hmm,  new install of Hardy on my laptop and I'm having no luck connecting to my wireless - it says it's connected but won't/can't grab an IP from the router
[03:56] <jscinoz> hmm this is annoying
[03:57] <jscinoz>  /usr/share/acpi-support/* are the various whitelists for suspend yes?
[04:02] <levmatta> ubuntu whants to remove the "compiz" package should I let it??
[04:02] <rdg> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 8.04 ia_64 on a Dell T105 and nothing is working. I can't get the installer to recognize my SATA DVD-ROM when it needs to detect the media
[04:02] <rdg> and I can't get to mount a USB stick so I can loop mount an ISO to /cdrom and just move forward
[04:02] <rdg> anyone have any solutions/
[04:02] <usser> bjron, lemme guess intel 3945?
[04:02] <IdleOne> levmatta: what does it want to install in it's place?
[04:02] <usser> levmatta, no wait till package list gets updated on  your mirror
[04:03] <levmatta> usser: I imagined it was something like that (too strange)
[04:03] <rdg> and for some reason, from the console in the installer, I can plug in my USB stick, and dmesg says it's found @ /dev/sdc and if I   'ls /dev/sdc*' it shows sdc and sdc1 but when I go to run mount it says 'No such device'
[04:04] <levmatta> IdleOne: I will answer you, just a sec
[04:04] <usser> levmatta, yea seems your server lags behind, you can switch to main in synaptic mirrors it has updated packages
[04:05] <levmatta> IdleOne: kernel 16, command compiz-core, gnome-panel, the list goes on and on
[04:06] <IdleOne> I would do what usser says and switch to the main server and then see what it says
[04:06] <VousDeux> everything appeared to be going smooth when I upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy, but after rebooting I had no mouse control. I cannot seem to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg because it says warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file
[04:07] <DanaG> Move the existing /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere else, then re-run dpkg-reconfigure.
[04:07] <DanaG> Either that, or find a backup from Gutsy and copy that over the Hardy one.
[04:09] <VousDeux> I deleted the xorg.conf, but it gave me an md5sum error...I have copies of several versions of the xorg.conf
[04:11] <VousDeux> it seems like I remember having to execute some command because of md5sum last year, but I have no idea what it was
[04:11] <rdg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/211041  in fact, that's the same issue i'm having
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211041 in ubuntu "Install of 64-bit 7.10 Server fails - Can't detect SATA DVD-ROM" [Undecided,New]
[04:13] <VousDeux> the copy of xorg.conf that I deleted was the one that worked in Gutsy
[04:13] <DanaG> That's silly.
[04:14] <DanaG> It's far better to move stuff, rather than deleting it.
[04:14] <VousDeux> Okay, the newly created xorg.conf now returns the same warning as before
[04:15] <VousDeux> why...I have copies
[04:19] <VousDeux> well, it boots with the newly created xorg.conf too, but still no mouse. I have a USB mouse and a touchpad...neither are working.
[04:20] <VousDeux> I tried unplugping and replugging the USB mouse...no luck
[04:21] <VousDeux> unplugping??? hehe...unplugging even
[04:21] <esox> I have issue with wine, even after removing cleaning .wine and installing again
[04:21] <esox> http://rafb.net/p/GpwR8Q67.html
[04:21] <VousDeux> toggling the touchpad does nothing either
[04:22] <VousDeux> when I try to boot the old 14-generic kernel, I don't even get a gui
[04:22] <esox> I didnt have that before updating to hardy
[04:22] <DanaG> Hmm, find an older xorg.conf, perhaps.
[04:23] <VousDeux> alright...thanks for helping :)
[04:24] <sivel27> hello all
[04:28] <VousDeux> oh, hey...I placed my old tried-n-true xorg.conf.vesa into the catbird seat, and now I have cursor control
[04:29] <VousDeux> I guess I just need to figure out how to get from here back to better drivers
[04:31] <VousDeux> I wonder why my backup of xorg.conf.nvidia doesn't work in Hardy :/
[04:35]  * DanaG has his xorg.conf here:
[04:35] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[04:36] <VousDeux> thanks for the reference
[04:37] <VousDeux> I probably just need to start with that vesa driver and install the nvidia-glx again
[04:37] <DanaG> The nvidia tweaks are rather poorly documented, but I've put comments in the touchpad tweaks.
[04:39] <VousDeux> cool...maybe my touchpad will actually work right now...before I could not configure it and it was way too touchy...all could do was toggle it off or on
[04:41] <LetterRip> hi since upgrading to hardy I've been unable to access my cd/dvd combo drive
[04:41] <LetterRip> doing a ls /dev doesn't show /dev/hda
[04:42] <LetterRip> any suggestions?
[04:43] <dubby> hey anyone here know how to make my computer a gateway, so that I may share my internet with other computers on my lan?
[04:43] <sielnt_> LetterRip: when you put a cd in does anything mount to a /dev/cdrom_ ?
[04:44] <LetterRip> it doesn't seem to
[04:44] <LetterRip> my cdrom drive spins up and makes some noise
[04:46] <LetterRip> trying to do cd /dev/cdrom2 gives 'not a directory'
[04:46] <sielnt_> its' a device
[04:46] <sielnt_> it should mount to /media/
[04:46] <hansheng> hello~`  when sudo displayconfig-gtk , can't change the them? or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg no let me choose my Monitor and display card? how can I do?
[04:46] <owen1> how to remove enlightment and replace with gnome?
[04:47] <Stroganoff> dubby you need dnsmasq and ipmasq
[04:47] <usser> does flashplugin-nonfree constantly crash firefox for anybody?
[04:48] <LetterRip> sielnt_, i have cdrom and cdrom0 in /media
[04:48] <sielnt_> usser: It used to, not sure if it still does
[04:48] <usser> if i use the one downloaded from adobe.com it works just fine
[04:48] <sielnt_> Letter, cd /media/cdrom0
[04:48] <Stroganoff> dubby: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-17594.html
[04:48] <usser> sielnt_, wonder whats up with that
[04:49] <LetterRip> sielnt_, hmm looks like it might have been a dirty lens
[04:49] <usser> ah nah even adobe version still crashes
[04:51] <im-a-n00b> hey all... i've got an ati question... will be upgrading to hardy once its released and im doing a bit of research before hand... are the drivers in the repos now the same as the ati ones you get from the site or are they different?
[04:51] <sielnt_> LetterRip: Is it mounting your cds?
[04:51] <LetterRip> i'm using a lens cleaning dvd now
[04:52] <LetterRip> vlc appears to have tried to open it
[04:52] <LetterRip> but then froze
[04:52] <LetterRip> so presumably it is mounting
[04:53] <sielnt_> LetterRip: good
[04:54] <LetterRip> hmm still getting - Unable to open 'dvd:///dev/hda' in vlc
[04:54] <im-a-n00b> are the ati drivers in the repos the same as from the ati site?
[04:56] <ionstorm> i see the latest updates do not have nvidia-glx
[04:56] <ionstorm> does it not need it?
[04:56] <ionstorm> ie the new kernel
[04:56] <LetterRip> sielnt_, ok definitely working now
[04:56] <LetterRip> ttyl
[05:00] <im-a-n00b> are the ati drivers in the repos the same as from the ati site.... anyone??
[05:01] <usser> im-a-n00b, they are probably the latest
[05:01] <usser> im-a-n00b, beta includes most current versions of all software
[05:03] <im-a-n00b> usser: on the ati site?? im wondering for when i install hardy... now that the ati drivers are open source i was wondering if they are the same as in the repo
[05:04] <usser> im-a-n00b, well there's restricted drivers which are the same as ati's and there's opensourced that really are quite a bit behind
[05:04] <im-a-n00b> usser: lol sorry for the question... just that im using linux for gaming :) and want all the performance i can squeeze from it :)
[05:04] <usser> im-a-n00b, u stuck with a wrong videocard :) get nvidia
[05:05] <im-a-n00b> usser: ok so installing the restricted will give me the same as from the site.. just without having to build it myself from the ati script?
[05:05] <icanhasadmin> usser: that's not terribly constructive help
[05:05] <usser> im-a-n00b, yes
[05:05] <im-a-n00b> usser: lol.. that would have been a good option.. but didnt come on the laptop i wanted
[05:05] <usser> icanhasadmin, well ati is not terribly constructive so its not my fault
[05:05] <icanhasadmin> usser: is the current restricted driver up to date? i wasn't under that impression...
[05:06] <usser> icanhasadmin, its gotta be
[05:06] <im-a-n00b> icanhasadmin: its all good.. i realise that ati was a pain when i tried for compiz on 7.04
[05:06] <icanhasadmin> and why does it "gotta be"
[05:06] <icanhasadmin> im-a-n00b: ati really isn't half as big of a pain, they've made leaps and bounds in the last year.
[05:07] <im-a-n00b> icanhasadmin: true... thats why im happy with their opensource direction.. i was wondering if the repos had picked them up yet :)
[05:07] <usser> icanhasadmin, cause they dont release all that often and ubuntu betas tend to include most current software
[05:08] <icanhasadmin> im-a-n00b: may i ask what's wrong with using the radeon driver and AIGLX? or is this for more than just compiz?
[05:09] <im-a-n00b> icanhasadmin: its a bit more.. there is a noticable difference in games
[05:09] <im-a-n00b> icanhasadmin: i like going to lan parties.. being the only linux user there and showing it off :)
[05:10] <icanhasadmin> im-a-n00b: gotcha, well the new catalyst drivers work great. i'm not sure what version is in the repos honestly, although usser's argument makes sense.
[05:10] <usser> just looked it up version in the repos is 8.3
[05:10] <sielnt_> im-a-n00b: and then everyone starts playing games and the forget about you until you boot your windows partition
[05:11] <sielnt_> they*
[05:11] <usser> same as the one on the site
[05:11] <im-a-n00b> lol.. come to think of it. i and people like me are peobably why the irc channels are flooded with people asking how do i game in linux and how do i get my gfx working
[05:12] <im-a-n00b> sielnt_: lol.. i use wine for diablo2 and starcraft... windows partition hasnt booted in ages
[05:12] <usser> heh not really linux is great for gaming
[05:12] <im-a-n00b> hoping that starcraft2 will run in wine.. or better yet.. have a linux installer :)
[05:12] <icanhasadmin> i should bash that
[05:12] <DanaG> Handy thing for Starcraft:
[05:12] <usser> for instance is it possible to run any game in a windows on windows without OS crapping up on you every time
[05:13] <DanaG> Glide wrapper.
[05:13] <DanaG> er, for Diablo.
[05:13] <DanaG> 2.
[05:13] <usser> err *in a window
[05:13] <xtknight> anyone else get random prolonged freezes in firefox that relieve themselves in a few seconds?
[05:13] <im-a-n00b> usser: cool.. thanks for the info on the 8.3 drivers :)
[05:14] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: yes.. only sometimes mine doesnt unfreeze itself.. and needs a killall -9 firefox-bin
[05:14] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: i think my problems with that come from flash
[05:14] <xtknight> im-a-n00b,  oh a -9 huh?
[05:15] <usser> xtknight, thats probably flash related
[05:15] <xtknight> i dont know.  mine wil happen with no flash
[05:15] <usser> xtknight, oh
[05:15] <xtknight> maybe nspluginwrapper is still loaded in memory and leaking, or something, or maybe an ad i didn't notice
[05:15] <xtknight> i was just clicking an image and boom freeze....then 10secs later repaint
[05:15] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: only other time ive noticed something similar is when loading lots of lolcat pages
[05:15] <xtknight> lol
[05:15] <usser> haha
[05:15] <im-a-n00b> but it doesnt need the killall
[05:16] <xtknight> well i was loading a picture of a "flash mob", so there
[05:16] <xtknight> lol
[05:16] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: could be the firefox version too...
[05:16] <xtknight> ff3b5
[05:17] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: hmm.. ok.. i have the same sort of issue in the nightlies
[05:17] <xtknight> i wanted to get epiphany-webkit working.  wondered if it would be more reliable
[05:18] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: ... i.... dont even know what that is.. yes.. im a n00b
[05:18] <xtknight> im-a-n00b, ah epiphany's a browser also based on Gecko like firefox.  it's basically easier firefox.  and -webkit is supposed to be an alternate "backend", or "web rendering engine" for it.  webkit is what powers apple's safari
[05:19] <xtknight> supposed to be fast and compliant with standards.
[05:19] <usser> opera
[05:19] <xtknight> but i didnt have much like w/ it
[05:19] <xtknight> compiling it, that is
[05:19] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: oh.. that sounds like fun to play with.. is it the one that scores real high in the acid3 test?
[05:19] <xtknight> im-a-n00b, yeah
[05:19] <xtknight> well opera also passes that now
[05:20] <xtknight> i just think opera looks big bulky and *oo*gly
[05:20] <xtknight> i think it's still Qt(like KDE), and it doesn't really integrate well with GNOME anyways.
[05:20] <im-a-n00b> i liked opera... but i missed some of my extensions :( its speed was nice
[05:20] <xtknight> with no adblock, there seems no advantage of opera over epiphany-webkit
[05:20] <usser> yea its qt
[05:21] <im-a-n00b> lol... i think im probably the only kde / compiz user here now too lol
[05:21] <xtknight> i found opera faster in some situations, slower in others.  found webkit faster at basically everything
[05:21] <xtknight> i wanted to try KDE4 on my regular ubuntu, didn't know how to install it?
[05:21] <xtknight> kubuntu-desktop=kde3?
[05:21] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: i loved its gui speed (opera that is)
[05:22] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: havent got to play with that yet...
[05:22] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: not sure how it will play with compiz
[05:22] <im-a-n00b> going to have to set up a test machine
[05:22] <im-a-n00b> .... with an ati card.. lol..
[05:23] <im-a-n00b> when using 7.04 i was upset that i couldnt get compiz running on my machine but i could on a friends nvidia box.. lol.. how i envious i was lol
[05:23] <xtknight> yeah nvidia generally cooperates better w/ linux
[05:24] <xtknight> surprised ati hasn't cleaned their act up after all this, but they have recently released the documentation needed for developers to make open source drivers for their new RadeonHD cards (er at least 2D?)
[05:25] <Luckrider> !google
[05:25] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[05:25] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: i.. thought they had..
[05:26] <xtknight> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home great site for 3d stuff
[05:26] <xtknight> always up to date
[05:27] <adiabatic> hi, I'm following the instructions on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213420 and it says to 'boot in recovery mode', which isn't an option that LILO gives me. can I do uname -r and apt-get stuff by getting into my system from the livecd?
[05:27] <VousDeux> !nvidia
[05:27] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:27] <xtknight> adiabatic, do you use lilo or grub?
[05:27] <adiabatic> lilo. grub doesn't like my machine.
[05:27] <xtknight> o
[05:28] <xtknight> adiabatic, well i can get you the cmd line for recov mode wuold that help?  i think the main thing is, you add "single" to the boot line to get single user(root) mode
[05:28] <xtknight>  kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic root=/dev/md0 ro single
[05:28] <adiabatic> yeah, I should be ok (keeping fingers crossed) if I can get to a bash prompt
[05:28] <xtknight> replace "ro quiet splash" with "ro single" for recov
[05:29] <adiabatic> ...and...er...where does that line go?
[05:29] <xtknight> for lilo, i've no idea
[05:29] <xtknight> init=/bin/bash can also help you get to a root prompt
[05:29] <im-a-n00b> adiabatic: isnt there an option on boot to edit the boot line?
[05:30] <xtknight> actually how did you even install lilo?
[05:31] <xtknight> accidentally 'sudo rm -rf''ing a dir sucks.  i'm glad that one missed my Work stuff :\
[05:31] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: i think you can after doing an expert install from the alternate or server cd
[05:31] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: OUCH!!!
[05:31]  * xtknight starts backing up more often
[05:32] <xtknight> yeah there was a nice 20 gig vmware XP ready to be deleted there
[05:32] <xtknight> and it missed it
[05:32] <xtknight> lol
[05:32] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: yay for rsync L)
[05:32] <im-a-n00b> :)
[05:32] <xtknight>  i mean ctrl-c'd in the middle as i realized what i did was bone-headed
[05:32] <xtknight> involuntary housecleaning is sometimes nice though
[05:33] <xtknight> i dont have to worry about "organizing" those folders anymore :p
[05:33] <im-a-n00b> xtknight: thats gotta hurt lol..... all ur informations
[05:33] <icanhasadmin> shred is fun too
[05:33] <adiabatic> xtknight: staceman's instructions on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=409345
[05:34] <adiabatic> (I think)
[05:34] <xtknight> ohh
[05:34]  * DanaG goes and compresses adiabatic.....-ly. (should be -ally without the hyphen, actually.)
[05:35] <xtknight> adiabatic, you're installing 2.6.15 for dapper?
[05:36] <xtknight> i mean what was the site you linked earlier http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213420 ?
[05:36] <adiabatic> I'm on 8.10 now
[05:36] <adiabatic> xtknight: yes
[05:36] <xtknight> !hardy
[05:36] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[05:36] <xtknight> 8.04? :p
[05:37] <xtknight> or did you get that early release of Intrepid they told no one about..
[05:37] <icanhasadmin> xtknight: he's from the future.
[05:37] <adiabatic> xtknight: I'm not that clued-in
[05:37] <xtknight> well anyways what were you trying to do?
[05:37] <xtknight> er *are* you trying to do?  if anything, now? :)
[05:38] <m1r> does anyone know if prism54usb.ko on amd64 is same as on normal install alternate cd ?
[05:38] <xtknight> m1r, hmm, reason to suspect that it isn't?
[05:38] <Lynoure> adiabatic: version numbers are year.month, so 8.10 would be, unexpected
[05:38] <adiabatic> xtknight:  boot into my machine that gave me a "is big; kernel setup stack" error
[05:39] <m1r> xtknight: usb wlan adapter works on amb64 and dont on alternate 32 bit
[05:39] <xtknight> hmm
[05:39] <m1r> same file ?
[05:39] <m1r> can i try copy it over ?
[05:39] <xtknight> adiabatic, the dapper is on another machine you ssh into, or is it also on the local machine?
[05:39] <xtknight> or not dapper at all?
[05:40] <xtknight> that's what the lnk mentioned that's why i wondered
[05:40] <xtknight> m1r, nope you can't load a .ko from a 64bit into a 32bit.  but you can report a bug if you're sure that's the case..
[05:40] <m1r> i just dont have luck, been installing whole night alternate 32bit over PXE to laptop without cdrom/floppy and it always breaks install on 85% :/
[05:40] <xtknight> hmm
[05:41] <xtknight> could just be hardy breakage, who knows
[05:41] <VousDeux> I can't seem to get the nVidia driver to work...the problem seems to be with the md5sum for the xorg.conf, but I'm not sure what to do about it
[05:42] <m1r> if it breaks again ... , then i install just cli and update all over internet it seems :/
[05:42] <adiabatic> xtknight: urk, can't even get the version numbers memorized. I'm using 8.04 (Hardy)(the one that comes with Firefox 3 betas), and it's not booting anymore after I did a large upgrade today. The machine hasn't been turned on in maybe a month or so, though.
[05:42] <im-a-n00b> m1r: does it have the problem on wvdial?
[05:43] <im-a-n00b> adiabatic: may need rebuilding?
[05:43] <xtknight> adiabatic, ah ok so what machine are you on now?
[05:43] <xtknight> or livecd?
[05:43] <adiabatic> xtknight: I'm using xchat on vista
[05:44] <xtknight> ah
[05:44] <xtknight> adiabatic, if it's a separate /home partition probably easiest to just download the latest hardy beta and install over.  if not, install over if you're not going to lose any data
[05:44] <m1r> im-a-n00b: no wvdial, think last package is seahorse
[05:45] <DanaG> I have too much customized stuff to ever want to fresh-install again
[05:45] <adiabatic> xtknight: urk. ok.
[05:45] <m1r> DanaG: there cant be too much ;)
[05:45] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ok.. my install always had problems with wvdial.. (although it was on gutsy).. had to kill the process on install to proceed further
[05:45] <im-a-n00b> m1r: it sounded similar
[05:46] <im-a-n00b> DanaG: partimage :)
[05:46] <DanaG> or faubackup.
[05:46] <DanaG> Then I can just rsync back.
[05:46] <m1r> im-a-n00b: it just drop red screen saying it cant continue (using alternate install cd)
[05:46] <DanaG> No other easy backup tool I've seen can do "one filesystem only"
[05:47] <im-a-n00b> m1r: maybe it needs a switch like noapic and nolapic
[05:47] <Lynoure> DanaG: most rsync based ones I've seen can.
[05:47] <m1r> im-a-n00b: that i need to set on start of install :/ that means waiting all packages to transfer again
[05:47] <DanaG> Hmm, can you recommend any with a GUI for scheduling, and with multiple snapshots?
[05:48] <im-a-n00b> m1r: no alternate cd?
[05:48] <DanaG> Like, dare I say it, "Time Machine" -- sure, it's not the first to do it, but it's a prime example of a really easy one.
[05:48] <Lynoure> DanaG: dirvish certainly can, but did you want hourly backups or something? (no GUI for dirvish, though, easy to make, though)
[05:48] <m1r> im-a-n00b: alternate cd install over PXE
[05:48] <DanaG> Backup is a bit overboard; weekly would be enough.
[05:48] <DanaG> The next laptop I get will have Intel AMT... so I can redirect boot to a full-size ISO over the network.  Then again, that might be SLOWER than the actual DVD drive.
[05:49] <im-a-n00b> m1r: unfortunately i havent done a pxe install.. but i assume that at some point you can set boot install options
[05:49] <m1r> im-a-n00b: yes at start only
[05:50] <m1r> im-a-n00b: same like CD, just it fetch data from local server
[05:50] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ok so when u get the install screen up (im assuming it come up) press the key that corrispondes with boot options down the bottom of the screen
[05:51] <Lynoure> DanaG: thats then quite disk-intensive to backup, I think
[05:51] <im-a-n00b> and im pretty sure u just tack noapic and nolapic on the end of that string
[05:52] <m1r> now i set only openssh server to be instaled , and again come to 85% when it breaks , argh.....
[05:52] <im-a-n00b> install openssh-server post install
[05:52] <im-a-n00b> so just install the basic system.. and then add extras later
[05:53] <DanaG> "that's then quite disk-intensive" -- what do you mean, and what would be better?
[05:53] <m1r> im-a-n00b: that was my last try, after starts install only openssh, it come to 85% and breaks :P
[05:53] <Lynoure> DanaG: backing up full ISOs, harder to do contents comparation
[05:54] <DanaG> Who said anything about backup ISOs?
[05:54] <DanaG> The thing about AMT was a random topic change.
[05:54] <Lynoure> DanaG: I'm not a mindreader, so I couldn't tell that...
[05:54] <DanaG> aah.
[05:55] <im-a-n00b> m1r: if you press (either ctrl or alt.. forgotten which one) and either f1 f2 f3 or f4 (one of them will show a screen with what its currently doing).. what does it say its upto
[05:55] <m1r> im-a-n00b: nothing on tty's
[05:55] <im-a-n00b> m1r: problem with the source media?
[05:55] <m1r> im-a-n00b: "press to activate" on f2 f3
[05:56] <m1r> im-a-n00b: media is hdd
[05:56] <im-a-n00b> m1r: like....... with one of the packages.. might be corrupt?
[05:57] <m1r> im-a-n00b: would be strange
[05:57] <m1r> used cd only once to install
[05:57] <Kwiells> hi everyone
[05:57] <im-a-n00b> m1r: just that im running out of ideas :(
[05:57] <m1r> me too
[05:57] <Kwiells> can someone please help me get suspend/hibernate to work properly with a ati x1400 graphics card?
[05:58] <TerrorismSux> sup tacos
[05:58] <m1r> im-a-n00b: i will try noacpi next
[05:58] <TerrorismSux> was accidentally in ubuntu
[05:58] <TerrorismSux> OK has anyone here successfully gotten nvidia drivers to work?
[05:58] <Lynoure> m1r: could be a broken package file, you could try  sudo apt-get clean  and then try installing it agoing
[05:58] <m1r> im-a-n00b: does it matter if i set noacpi on laptop ?
[05:59] <Lynoure> s/agoing/again/  (and it there being the openssh-server you had trouble with)
[05:59] <TerrorismSux> i did a apt-get install nvidia-glx and my /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt have a nv option
[05:59] <TerrorismSux> also... restricted driver manager (jockey) fails every time i use it
[05:59] <im-a-n00b> m1r: i dont think it does.... i wouldnt know that one... all i know with that command is that on a machine i was installing.. it wouldnt work properly unless those switches were inplace
[06:00] <Kwiells> I can't seem to go to system - hardware settings
[06:00] <Kwiells> keeps saying Sorry, the program "jockey-gtk" closed unexpectedly
[06:00] <TerrorismSux> Kwiells thats (Jockey)
[06:00] <m1r> im-a-n00b: noacpi is for power managment , so i wonder that i dont overburn that crappy laptop :)
[06:00] <Kwiells> that's not the hardware settings?
[06:00] <TerrorismSux> and its broken
[06:01] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ok.. rats lol
[06:01] <m1r> :)
[06:01] <m1r> im-a-n00b: tnx for help m8
[06:01] <im-a-n00b> m1r: i was hoping it was going to be a good solution that wouldnt have such bad consequences
[06:02] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ill know for next time now :)... thank you :)
[06:02] <Andrew> hello, i am in an EXTREMELY bad situation and i need help IMMEDIATLEY!!
[06:02] <TerrorismSux> lol
[06:02] <TerrorismSux> install xp IMMEDIATELY
[06:02] <m1r> im-a-n00b:  i am not sure, but wouldnt like to test it b4 i know more about it, 2 days i have this lappy :)
[06:02] <Kwiells> TerrorismSux:  How do I fix jockey-gtk so i can mess with the settings for my ati x1400?
[06:02] <TerrorismSux> i joke
[06:03] <TerrorismSux> Kwiells: im trying to figure it out too so that i can get my Nvidia 7900 GS working
[06:03] <Kwiells> ah ok
[06:03] <tritium> Andrew: what is your emergency?
[06:03] <im-a-n00b> m1r: true... you said 85 percent it stops on right.. what package?
[06:03] <TerrorismSux> U'll have to roll back to Gutsy to get it working immediately
[06:03] <m1r> im-a-n00b: i think seahorse but aint 100%sure
[06:03] <Kwiells> well the funny thing is i can actually put this laptop into suspend
[06:03] <Kwiells> it gives me an error when i get back to ubuntu
[06:03] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ill see if i can find something
[06:03] <Kwiells> but still continues as if nothing happens
[06:03] <m1r> and since i cant see tty with install info...
[06:04] <m1r> im-a-n00b: tnx
[06:04] <m1r> i am braindead for tryouts :P
[06:04] <m1r> _for=from
[06:05] <Andrew> tmy ubuntu hardy PC will not start up and in the command line says "loading device drivers....... failed!" and then the startup freezes.
[06:05] <Andrew> i am using linux kernel 2.6.24-16
[06:06] <TerrorismSux> ill try back tomorrow
[06:06] <TerrorismSux> gnight everyone
[06:07] <Andrew> any help, tririum
[06:07] <im-a-n00b> m1r: it is hardy or gutsy?
[06:07] <m1r> hardy
[06:07] <m1r> beta 1
[06:07] <m1r> it stops on configuring packages on 85%
[06:08] <m1r> i wouldnt be messing around so much if that crap laptop would have cdrom or usb cdrom support... :/
[06:08] <im-a-n00b> m1r: does it just hang there?
[06:08] <m1r> red sceen and kicks me out
[06:08] <m1r> to option menu for install again
[06:09] <Andrew> any help, tritium?
[06:09] <m1r> it used to hang on gutsy on 82% , when it was looking for network, but this is completly diferent
[06:10] <tritium> Andrew: that's not a lot to go on...
[06:11] <Andrew> tritium, earlier i installed a lot of updates including a new kernel and i deleted the old kernel before restarting. is that the big mistake?
[06:11] <VousDeux> wholly molly...I have nVidia and cursor control finally :)
[06:11] <Andrew> now, it just stops starting up.
[06:12] <tritium> Andrew: before you delete an old kernel, you should verify that the new one works first.
[06:13] <tritium> Andrew: also, don't run hardy on a critical machine, so you don't end up with an emergency situation when things break.
[06:13] <Andrew> do you mean that i am done for and i have to wipe my hard drive clean and reinstall, tririum?
[06:13] <tritium> Not necessarily.
[06:13] <m1r> hmm
[06:13] <Andrew> it won't even run recovery mode.
[06:13] <m1r> OMG IT PASSED!!!
[06:14] <m1r> cli rocks ;)
[06:14] <icanhasadmin> m1r: welcome brother
[06:14] <tritium> Andrew: that doesn't sound encouraging
[06:15] <m1r> :D
[06:15] <m1r> ty icanhasadmin :)
[06:15] <m1r> now just to see if it will boot :)
[06:16] <vasuvi> I haven't booted up into Ubuntu (Hardy) for a couple months.  Would a dist-upgrade bring me up to date with the (almost) release version with no problem, or would you recommend an install from scratch?
[06:16] <im-a-n00b> m1r: what happened?
[06:17] <m1r> im-a-n00b: i instaled cli and it passed, but from scratch
[06:17] <im-a-n00b> installed cli?
[06:17] <m1r> it seems somthing dont work when installing ubuntu-desktop
[06:17] <m1r> yes
[06:17] <im-a-n00b> you mean u used cli instead of gfx install?
[06:18] <m1r> no no
[06:18] <m1r> in boot options i enterd : cli
[06:18] <im-a-n00b> oh.. ok... what does that so?
[06:18] <m1r> and it instaled without problem
[06:18] <bazhang> vasuvi: you already have hardy installed? then there will be a ton of updates; you can either go for those of get a more recent beta/daily build and go from there--either way if you keep updating you will have final when the day arrives
[06:18] <im-a-n00b> so = do
[06:18] <m1r> server install im-a-n00b
[06:19] <m1r> now i can apt-get rest of stuff
[06:19] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ahh... i used to use the server cds for that... i didnt know a pxe install could so that lol
[06:19] <vasuvi> bazhang: Yes, I was already using the Hardy beta; there are around 600MB of updates to be exact ;)
[06:19] <im-a-n00b> yes... im a n00b ;)
[06:19] <m1r> im-a-n00b: u can set it up to serve anything
[06:19] <m1r> even live cd, but my lappy not strong enough for that
[06:20] <bazhang> vasuvi: on dialup? or have dsl
[06:20] <vasuvi> bazhang: So if I interpret what you say correctly, there shouldn't be any oddities coming from such an earlier beta; I'll probably just do that then, thanks :)
[06:20] <im-a-n00b> m1r: so now you should just have to do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop and all is good right?
[06:20] <vasuvi> bazhang: Nah, DSL.  Slow DSL, but DSL no less (1.5 Mbit)
[06:20] <bazhang> vasuvi: earlier beta? I think you mean alpha ;]
[06:20] <vasuvi> bazhang: Good point!
[06:21] <bazhang> vasuvi: the beta still has a ton of updates, though less than 600MB ;]
[06:21] <K4k-laptop> does anyone here run enlightenment
[06:21] <m1r> im-a-n00b: yes, but 1st i need enable wireless usb with prism54usb that is not working on alternate 32bit install or make internet sharing from this machine , before i start install desktop :P
[06:21] <bazhang> K4k-laptop: have run it yes
[06:21] <im-a-n00b> m1r: ouch
[06:22] <m1r> hehe
[06:22] <vasuvi> bazhang: Upgrading from a chroot in another distro; the old Hardy alpha doesn't like my new video card :D
[06:22] <K4k-laptop> bazhang, I made a ~/.enlightenment/themes dir and put my themes in there but I can't seem to change the themes I've put in there
[06:22] <im-a-n00b> m1r: i went back to the alternate install cause i couldnt get my wireless running from a server install (i had no idea what packages n stuff id need)
[06:23] <bazhang> vasuvi: very clever indeed ;]
[06:23] <vasuvi> bazhang: thanks ;)
[06:23] <m1r> im-a-n00b: if card is suported , should work plug and play
[06:24] <im-a-n00b> m1r: mine only worked after installing ubuntu the normal way... couldnt figure it out on a server install.. which is annoying cause i liked the small foot print install the server install gave me
[06:25] <m1r> im-a-n00b: if u have some known wlan card (pci/usb) then should work instantly
[06:25] <K4k-laptop> bazhang, any suggestions or ideas what's going on?
[06:25] <im-a-n00b> m1r: its in a laptop... intel one i think...
[06:26] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=265818 K4k-laptop this is about an earlier version, but the idea should be the same
[06:26] <im-a-n00b> m1r: but anyway.. lol.. its all good
[06:26] <m1r> im-a-n00b: hehe :)
[06:26] <m1r> important that is working
[06:26] <K4k-laptop> I tried that already
[06:26] <im-a-n00b> m1r: yep :)
[06:26] <alka_trash> I must be missing something here with Pulse Audio, basically when I go to SYSTEM, PREFS, SOUNDS, and select Pulse. my audio then stops working.  I though Pulse was going to be the primary audio for hardy.  any help with be appreciated, thanks
[06:26] <bazhang> K4k-laptop: apparently you need to log out and log in then go to the themes menu and they will be there
[06:26] <K4k-laptop> I made a ~/.enlightenment/themes and put them in there and I don't see it for some reason
[06:26] <K4k-laptop> nope
[06:27] <im-a-n00b> kk... going for a bit.. later all :)
[06:27] <m1r> im-a-n00b: l8r
[06:27] <im-a-n00b> m1r: hope everything works well for you :)
[06:27] <nick123> hi, someone know how to fix nvidia after kernel upgrade
[06:28] <nick123> hi, someone know how to fix nvidia after kernel update
[06:28] <m1r> ok i go reboot for new compiz fix :)
[06:29] <nick123> after the kernel update i loose, nvidia driver and in the way to fix it i lose the sound
[06:30] <bazhang> nick123: what have you tried? what card and what driver and how installed
[06:31] <nick123> i have 128 nvidia card, and i install restrictes-modules - 386 so i so the driver and i restar the pc so i get a slow resolution screen and ask me for video configuration, so i have to configure the monitor and the card so i get back to normal screen but whiout nvidia and sound
[06:33] <nick123> i have 128 nvidia card, and i install restrictes-modules - 386 saw I so the driver and I restart the pc so i get a slow resolution screen and ask me for video configuration, so i have to configure the monitor and the card so i get back to normal screen but whiout nvidia and sound
[06:33] <bazhang> nick123: once is enough ;]
[06:34] <nick123> now i unstall modules ... -386 and try whit envyng but dosnt work, so i try to fix trçhe sound trying to reisntrall gstreamer but dusnt work
[06:34] <DanaG> generic.  Try that kernel instead.
[06:35] <bazhang> nick123: what computer do you have? what cpu?
[06:36] <nick123> pentium V 580 ram
[06:36] <Andrew> bye
[06:36] <bazhang> nick123: could you pastebin your xorg.conf please?
[06:37] <nick123> okis
[06:38] <bhsx> is anyone else having compiz issues since today's update?  i fixed the jockey-gtk errors with help from the forum, but my compiz still doesn't work (borders disappear for a second then reverts back to 'none'
[06:38] <Jordan_U> bhsx, Are you getting 3D acceleration?
[06:38] <bhsx> yes
[06:38]  * DanaG will likely forever and always need an xorg.conf.... since I don't see any sign of improvements for touchpad configurability.
[06:38] <nick123> 502,1 mip Intel(R) Oentium (R) D CPU 280 GHZ
[06:38] <bhsx> glxgears and GLMatrix both work fine/smooth
[06:39]  * Jordan_U hopes that DanaG is wrong as he also maintains touchpad hacks in his xorg.conf
[06:39] <nick123> thanks i will try
[06:39] <Lynoure> DanaG: I recently saw a nice hack that disables touchpad when you are typing
[06:40] <DanaG> I just have 1-finger tap set to do nothing; that removes that problem/
[06:40] <DanaG> while still leaving 2-finger as middle and 3-finger as right.
[06:41] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[06:41] <Lynoure> I manage sometimes to move my curson with my wrist
[06:41] <DanaG> palmdetect is handy, too.
[06:42] <DanaG> Now if only there were an "eliminatemoisture" tweak.
[06:43] <Lynoure> DanaG: what kind of improvements in configurability are you still missing?
[06:43] <DanaG> You can't configure ANY of those things with a GUI... especially without SHMConfig enabled.
[06:43] <DanaG> And you can't input-hotplug synaptics, either.
[06:43] <DanaG> At least, not without losing 100% of the configurability.
[06:44] <salt> Hello. I just tried installing Ubuntu 8.04 on my dell laptop; it has a bcmwl5a wireless card. I tried installing ndiswrapper and using it (worked in 7.04 and 7.10) and it just says ssb is in use instead. I tried modprobe -r ssb but it just says module in use. rmmod doesn't work either. anyone?
[06:44] <Jordan_U> DanaG, There is a key combo on the XO that re-calibrates the capacitance of the touch pad
[06:44] <Jordan_U> DanaG, I wish all laptops had that feature
[06:44] <salt> thanks
[06:45] <salt> please put my name in your response so i see it soon
[06:45] <salt> :x
[06:45] <salt> nobody?
[06:45] <salt> ndiswrapper should really work... a lot of people use it
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> the only thing i would like to see is separate acceleration settings for the touchpad and, say a usb-attached mouse
[06:46] <DanaG> salt: can't you use the b43 or b43legacy or bcm43xx drivers?
[06:46] <DanaG> (to unload ssb, unload all of those.)
[06:46] <DanaG> And blacklist them, if you must use ndiswrapper.
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> my touchpad is extremely sluggish, but fine if i turn the acceleration up, but then when i hook up a mouse, it's all whiz, zoom, whoops overshot the button, did it again...
[06:48] <DanaG> I use touchpad almost exclusively.
[06:48] <salt> DanaG,
[06:48] <salt> What is the proper way to "unload" them? I put just "blacklist ssb" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:49] <DanaG> modprobe -r b43
[06:49] <DanaG> and then blacklist b43 and b43legacy and bcm43xx.
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i do use touchpad if, say, i'm at school and don't want to dig out the mouse, but half the time i have it set up at home with mouse and all
[06:49] <nick123> hi, im back, thenks, i get my 3d back
[06:49] <nick123> now, I need to fix thesound
[06:49] <DanaG> I actually prefer touchpad -- it has nifty scrolling (horizontal) and lack of RSI that my MX700 induces.
[06:50] <nick123> now, I need to fix the sound some know how to do It, the volume control canot find gstreamer
[06:55] <salt3> DanaG: I'm in Ubuntu now.
[06:55] <salt3> I followed your steps and it didn't work
[06:56] <salt3> i did sudo modprobe -r b43
[06:56] <salt3> and ndiswrapper still doesn't work
[06:57] <salt3> !wifi
[06:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:00] <nick123> I need to fix the sound some know how to do It, the volume control can not find gstreamer
[07:00] <SeveredCross> Erf, what the hell.
[07:01] <SeveredCross> I think a kernel panic just killed my computer.
[07:01] <SeveredCross> I went to update.
[07:01] <SeveredCross> And everything locked up.
[07:01] <SeveredCross> So I power-cycled and powered back on, and now GNOME won't come up.
[07:01] <nick123> when it stops
[07:02] <SeveredCross> Oh, looks like dpkg screwed itself over.
[07:03] <nick123> I dont understand
[07:04] <m1r> whats means : phy0:unknown frame RXed (0xff) ?
[07:06] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, It was most likely not a kernel panic
[07:06] <SeveredCross> Then what was it? Everything locked, not even magic sysrq keys worked.
[07:07] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, Did the caps lock key blink?
[07:07] <Jordan_U> SeveredCross, Did you do alt+sysrq+r before any other sysrq combinations?
[07:08] <SeveredCross> Jordan_U: Yep, did Alt-SysRq-R, and my caps lock key is on the fritz.
[07:08] <SeveredCross> Never lights up anymore.
[07:09] <SeveredCross> Should be fixed now, I just resumed the dpkg updates that were going on and did a few more.
[07:09] <SeveredCross> Hopefully it's all okay now.
[07:10] <SeveredCross> Yep, my desktop is back.
[07:10] <SeveredCross> :D
[07:11] <m1r> i am keep getting error phy: unknown frame RXed (0xff) for my wlan card, anyone know what is that ?
[07:11] <m1r> phy0 , sry
[07:17] <adiabatic> argh...1 hour downloading...30 minutes burning at the slowest speed...probably another 30-60 minutes installing...could have gone to the gym and worked out, swam, and showered in this time
[07:18] <m1r> so, dhcp server not working with wlan0 on dhcp and eth0 on static ip ?
[07:21] <m1r> ok enough for today, gn ppls
[07:21] <bazhang> adiabatic: any support questions? or just venting
[07:22] <adiabatic> just venting
[07:22] <echinos> did apt-get upgrade, now I have no sound, and no module for it, it seems :/
[07:23] <bazhang> m1r there was only one listing on google for that error; seems a bug should be filed on that; has to do with a kernel panic
[07:34] <ChaosParser> echinos: What kernel do you have?
[07:34] <ChaosParser> echinos: And do you have an nvidia card?
[07:37] <Eftarjin> hi
[07:39] <lucypher> Hi, after upgrading to 2.6.24-16 and rebooting my pc stucks at "no resume image: doing normal boot"
[07:39] <lucypher> I've tried to pass "noresume" argument wth no success
[07:40] <Eftarjin> it seems that hardy release will come before firefox 3. Will a LTS version be shipped with a beta version of the default web browser ?
[07:42] <bazhang> aye Eftarjin
[07:43] <Eftarjin> is a 8.04.1 version planned when firefox 3 is out ?  (i think there was a 6.06.1)
[07:44] <david> most likely
[07:44] <bazhang> you would need to ask the devs Eftarjin
[07:45] <ChaosParser> lucypher: Is it a notebook?
[07:45] <Eftarjin> bazhang: where can i do that ? launchpad ?
[07:46] <bazhang> Eftarjin: perhaps, though they do stop by here every so often; is this something truly urgent?
[07:47] <lucypher> ChaosParses: No... Dell E520
[07:47] <ChaosParser> lucypher: It just thinks you hibernated for some reason.   I'll try your solution the next boot thanks.
[08:14] <jscinoz> this is maddening
[08:15] <jscinoz> suspend works perfectly with s2ram --force, but obviously fails with s2both because its not whitelisted.
[08:15] <jscinoz> so i have to wait for some dev to change the whitelist even though it works perfectly...
[08:15] <jscinoz> any idea where the acpi/suspend whitelist lives so i can do it myself?
[08:16] <xtknight> can someone try something for me real quick... sudo apt-get install amoeba   then try and run amoeba
[08:16] <xtknight> small game or something.  but it doesn't run on my pc
[08:17] <jscinoz> ran it, works fine, what doesnt work for you
[08:17] <jscinoz> wait nevermind, it died >_<
[08:17] <xtknight> Couldn't open GTK+ interface (libgdk-1.2.so.0: Success), reverting to command line.
[08:17] <xtknight> yeah
[08:18] <xtknight> acpi suspend whitelist might be compiled into the kernel itself?  no idea..otherwise ask in #ubuntu-devel
[08:19] <b4l74z4r> why can't i install juk in kubuntu 8.04?
[08:19] <Lynoure> jscinoz: /etc/default/acpi-support has both white- and blacklist
[08:19] <jscinoz> Lynoure, hmm i added a regexp in there for my laptop under the appropriate file according to dmidecode, but s2ram still say's its unknown
[08:20] <jscinoz> xtknight, with that game, mine crashed because it failed to open /dev/dsp >_< same thing happened running with aoss or padsp
[08:20] <xtknight> jscinoz, oh weird.  maybe my dual monitors messing it up
[08:20] <Lynoure> jscinoz: sorry, I don't dare to go more into suspend troubleshooting, as I haven't bothered with more than hibernate myself
[08:21] <jscinoz> thanks anyway lynoure
[08:21] <jscinoz> xtkknight, worked that time, but as soon as you click in its window it crashes
[08:21] <jscinoz> with no terminal output
[08:21] <xtknight> jscinoz, might be able to d/l debian src package and recompile that way, unless it's the kernel, then that prolly will just be frustrating
[08:22] <jscinoz> >_<
[08:24] <xtknight> jscinoz, oh, dumb amoeba gaev me wrong error message
[08:24] <xtknight> it said it could find libgdk 1.2, and in fact it couldnt.  so that was my problem
[08:24] <jscinoz> lol
[08:26] <b4l74z4r>  is it possible to change the size of the external taskbar?
[08:27] <Lynoure> jscinoz: have you tried with pm-utils (pm-suspend) by the way? I'm under the impression it's more supported by Ubuntu than s2ram
[08:33] <xtknight> how do you install kde4?
[08:34] <xtknight> !info kde4 hardy
[08:34] <ubotu> kde4 (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB
[08:34] <xtknight> sigh
[08:34]  * xtknight is a genius :p
[08:34] <xtknight> that installs the whole desktop though?  i didnt see a kubuntu-desktop for kde4..
[08:35] <xtknight> nm apparently  kubuntu-kde4-desktop  for those interested
[08:36] <bazhang> got it installed ;]
[08:39] <Ziroday> After updates clicking on links in pidgin does not do anything, have to maually copy them into firefox, anyone know where the setting is?
[08:40] <HorizonXP> hey, update-manager is asking me to do a partial upgrade
[08:40] <HorizonXP> I did this before, and it buggered things up
[08:40] <HorizonXP> so I'm wondering if it's absolutely necessary this time
[08:40] <gatestone> Does hardy have this upgraded functionality (that Vista has): does the network manager tel you whether you connection is up to your default gateway, or up to (some) public Internet? If not there could maybe still be a possibility to add it? it iso useful to know that while my home router inside is ok, the NATted connection to the ISP connection is not...
[08:41] <gatestone> Or maybe there is just some utility that does this monitring? Or do I have to write one ;-)
[08:42] <DistroJockey> HorizonXP: Personally, I'd not do a partial upgrade
[08:42] <Lynoure> gatestone: you can do   traceroute hostname  to see if you can reach some specific internet server
[08:42] <xtknight> haha. kde4 is sick
[08:42] <xtknight> but what's with the desktop..the files are "objects" or something
[08:43] <Lynoure> gatestone: or, rather,  ping hostname.  Should be easy to turn it to some graphical thingy, if it is important to you
[08:43] <HorizonXP> DistroJockey: So something's messed up with the repos?
[08:44] <DistroJockey> HorizonXP: that or not all packages are updated yet. Not entirely sure.
[08:44] <stefg> Hi, everyone. i suppose the latest update caused breakage not only for me .... so what do we/you know already
[08:46] <DistroJockey> stefg: I assume it was a partial upgrade?
[08:46]  * stefg thought hardy to be in release-freeze... ubuntu seems to follow its tradition of spoiling releases in the last second /cynism off
[08:46] <DistroJockey> heh
[08:48] <DistroJockey> I wiped my Hardy install to take a look at Mandriva 2008 Spring. That install lasted on my system for about 30 mins of use. (i.e. don't bother)  Back to running on Gutsy now :)
[08:49] <stefg> DistroJockey: i upgraded from the german mirrors, and after i found that X and compiz were broken i pointed apt to archive.ubuntu.com and upgraded again. got some compiz=packages, but didn\t help... even mz kezboard is english now *obviouslz(
[08:49] <gatestone> Lynoure, I think I am like many, many people: my connection is contantly broken several times a day, and half of the time it my (Fonera) router, half of the time is the ISP provided cable modem, and half of the time it is the ISP uplink connection. (yeah it frrls like the is 150% problems ;-). It would be nice to just KNOW this by a glance, not having to manyllu debug it. And I think there are probably 6 billion people on Earth who are not capable
[08:49] <gatestone>  of manually debugging it ;-)
[08:49] <Lleumas> Compiz is also broken for me atm
[08:50] <lucypher> Hi, I can't boot after upgrading at kernel 2.6.24-16
[08:51] <gatestone> Lynoure, I am NOT interested in fixing things only for me, but SAVING the world by getting the perfect Ubuntu for those 6 billion ;-)
[08:51] <Lynoure> gatestone: I have been thinking about writing a tool, but a) it's not paid work b) most of the time it's ISP and most ISPs don't listen to their customers with that kind of things
[08:51] <DistroJockey> stefg: yeah, if I had of left my Hardy install installed, I probably would not have upgraded again for a few days
[08:51] <Lynoure> gatestone: Oh, I didn't realized you wanted to make one...
[08:52] <stefg> so lets assume it is just bad timing... lets see waht happens mondaz
[08:52] <stefg> monday ... aarggh... us layout
[08:52] <DistroJockey> stefg: hehe, sounds like a plan :)
[08:52] <gatestone> Ok, I promise to wite one as an exercise for my first serious Linux program, Lynoure. Let's say by the end of the summer...
[08:53] <stefg> ok, booting back to mz gutsy install
[08:54] <bardyr> Hey, is there anyway to get support for 2 languages in xchat spell checking?
[08:54] <Lynoure> gatestone: unfortunately that does not solve b. I'm lucky and have a ISP that listens to things like what ip package loss happens at, I know 95% of ISPs just don't care.
[08:56] <gatestone> Lynoure, my problems are almost always short-lived, so I just wait, but a monitor would be good, so you would know when the connection is up again.
[08:57] <gatestone> Is there something in Hardy like Windows' "You have new applications installed", so that you know if a package has modified your menus, if it can be launched from menus?
[08:59] <Lynoure> gatestone: that's basicly just   watch -n 30 'ping -c 2 hostname'
[08:59] <blue-frog> gatestone: no
[09:00] <Lynoure> gatestone: checks every 30 s with two pings if hostname is reachable. adjust the number after -c a bit larger if it is non-total package loss issue
[09:00] <gatestone> If I would use diff to check, is my menus have changed and how, which files are they in?
[09:01] <blue-frog> gatestone: try /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
[09:01] <blue-frog> gatestone: try /etc/xdg/menus/
[09:02] <jscinoz> Lynoure, afaik, pm-utils is simply a wrapper for s2ram or other suspend methods
[09:02] <gatestone> Can I configure a general post-script to dpkg so that after each installation a diff on menus are reported and current version saved for next diffing?
[09:03] <Lleumas> Is there a reason the last update uninstalled Compiz for Hardy?
[09:03] <gatestone> How do I send something like dbus alert message (not that I know what that means) to the user form command line?
[09:03] <blue-frog> gatestone: you can come up with a script you can launch at any time, but don't you know what programs you are installing on your computer?
[09:04] <gatestone> I am again thingkin about the 6 billion future Ubuntu users, not me.
[09:05] <gatestone> So every time the menus change, a user will get a nice standard dbus message?
[09:05] <Lynoure> jscinoz: dunno, but even in that case, wording matters (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uswsusp/+bug/134238/comments/16 )
[09:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134238 in uswsusp "Please re-enable build of s2ram binary" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[09:05] <jk_> i have files in multiple parts ie. r00, r001 .... is there a way to unrar them without installing winrar?
[09:05] <blue-frog> unrar
[09:06] <jscinoz> Lynoure, yeah s2ram is mainly for testing it, and once you figure out why it doesnt work, making s2both work.
[09:06] <jscinoz> i backported my uswsusp package from debian unstable :P
[09:07] <Lynoure> jscinoz: I assumed something like that. :)
[09:07] <elmargol> Why is my harddisk mounted as nodev?
[09:07] <dns53> jk_ there is both unrar-free and unrar (not free)
[09:07] <jk_> just installed it unrar e filename unrar it to same folder
[09:17] <harmental> hey guys..Can i safely uninstall initramfs???
[09:18] <xtknight> harmental, no
[09:18] <calc> harmental: do you mean initramfs-tools>?
[09:19] <xtknight> those are necessary for the system
[09:19] <calc> well you could but you would no longer be able to install ubuntu kernels
[09:20] <calc> if you used your own kernel that didn't use initramfs it would probably be ok
[09:20] <harmental> calc: ok..thx...
[09:20] <calc> but you can't uninstall initramfs-tools if you have any ubuntu kernels anyway
[09:20] <calc> all the kernels Depends: on initramfs-tools so will uninstall along with it if you try to remove it
[09:21] <xtknight> marble-kde4 is awesome;  google-earthy without the aerial views
[09:24] <mario> hello
[09:25] <ubuntunoob> hello
[09:25] <ubuntunoob> it's like talking to a wall
[09:26] <mario> ive a problem! yesterday i updated from hardy to the newest hardy version... now  compiz awn and co dont work! i cant install ccsm cause of broken packages, what can i do
[09:26] <mario> if i lookunder hardware drivers, it crashes...
[09:26]  * thoreauputic pushes the wall down on ubuntunoob
[09:26] <blue-frog> mario certainly wait for compiz to work again as well
[09:26] <ubuntunoob> i am sorry, i am a noob -as my name indicate
[09:27] <DarkMageZ> mario, ubuntu? launch synaptic and hit refresh. then install all the new updates. should resolve it.
[09:27] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob: then why are you in the development version channel ? :-)
[09:27] <ubuntunoob> ;( then i should leave
[09:27] <mario> DarkMageZ: i did that yesterdsay i think, but i try
[09:27] <mario>  blue-frog: i dont understand
[09:27] <ubuntunoob> i don't know what is +1 so i click in
[09:28] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob: not necessarily - are you using Hardy ?
[09:28] <ubuntunoob> no, 7.04
[09:28] <blue-frog> mario: is compiz working on your computer right now?
[09:28] <xtknight> mario, the hardware drivers dialog has a known problem right now
[09:28] <ubuntunoob> 7.10, not 7.04
[09:28] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob: ah, tha's quite an old version now
[09:28] <ubuntunoob> i am using gusty
[09:28] <ubuntunoob> gutsy
[09:28] <xtknight> mario, additionally are you running amd64?
[09:28] <DarkMageZ> ubuntunoob, feel free to join the #ubuntu channel ッ
[09:28] <thoreauputic> gutsy is 7.10
[09:28] <T1m0thy> Gusty Gibbon. lol
[09:29] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob:  /join #ubuntu  :-)
[09:30] <mario>  blue-frog: now i ccant even close or maxiize my windows
[09:30] <mario>  xtknight: im using 32 bit...
[09:30] <xtknight> mario, yeah you've got lack-of-metacity-syndrome
[09:30] <xtknight> :P
[09:31] <DarkMageZ> mario, launch the terminal from the menu and type. "metacity --replace"
[09:31] <mario> mhh right i shoul replace metacity.. matacity --replace or?
[09:31] <xtknight> hmm
[09:31] <Lleumas> Mario, they way I resolved that issue was to search for "Compiz" in synaptic. You should see a package called exactly that, that has been uninstalled. I reinstalled and it allowed me to enable my effects again. Not sure if you are having the same problem though
[09:31] <xtknight> gtk-window-decorator --replace &     ?
[09:32] <harmental> after doing: sudo dpkg --configure -a i obtain this: http://pastebin.com/df6fa00d
[09:32] <DarkMageZ> mario, then see if synaptic finds any new updates.
[09:32] <mario> bash cant dounf metacity...
[09:32] <harmental> any ideas  please?
[09:32] <xtknight> harmental, oh wow
[09:32] <xtknight> harmental, what kernel are you running right now?
[09:33] <mario> cant install the package "compiz cause of many broken things...
[09:33] <harmental> 2.6.24-15 generic
[09:33] <xtknight> harmental, first step, sudo apt-get update
[09:33] <mario> now its complety new...
[09:33] <harmental> i've already done that....
[09:34] <xtknight> harmental,  sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic linux-image-2.6.24-16-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-386
[09:34] <xtknight> looks scary but it shouldn't remove your current kernel.  still don't reboot.  we will install -16 normally.
[09:34] <mario> i think nvida works, cause games lke xmoto funktions
[09:34] <harmental> xtknight: ok....ill do that...
[09:34] <hyperair_> hi there. anybody knows about the nautilus-gksu bug?
[09:34] <DarkMageZ> xmoto doesn't require 3d acceleration iirc.
[09:34] <xtknight> hyperair_, which one?
[09:35] <xtknight> mario, type glxinfo|grep rendering
[09:35] <hyperair_> xtknight: Bug #201462
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201462 in gksu "nautilus-gksu stopped working in hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201462
[09:35] <blue-frog> mario: is compiz-gnome still installed on your system?
[09:35] <mario> xtknight:direct rendering: Yes
[09:36] <xtknight> mario, there were recent compz updates, did you get all them?
[09:36] <harmental> xtknight: its also trying to remover 2.6.24-15...http://pastebin.com/m3bce2dd6
[09:36] <xtknight> update && dist-upgrade
[09:36] <mario> i hope so..
[09:36] <harmental> xtknight: shall i accept???
[09:36] <hyperair> xtknight: seems to be a packaging error, but nobody relevant seems to be paying attention
[09:36] <xtknight> harmental, hold on
[09:36] <hyperair> same goes for nautilus-wallpaper
[09:36] <mario>  blue-frog: compizconfig-backend-gconf isnt insttalt and synaptic doenst want to isntall, so compiz-gnome cant installt
[09:37] <xtknight> harmental, where does it say removing 15?
[09:37] <xtknight> harmental, dont worry about the firstmessage linux-headers-2.6.24-15-generic linux-headers-2.6.24-15.  you can go ahead.
[09:37] <harmental> xtknight: ok...here I go....
[09:37] <xtknight> hyperair, well i dont have open as admin in nautilus, you mean just right click on any file i should get that?
[09:38] <xtknight> hyperair, i installed nautilus-gksu.  never used that before anyway
[09:38] <hyperair> yes
[09:38] <mario> synpatic cant install any compiz thing, cause libcompizconfig0 isnt installt, i want to install but then a lot of compiz packages are removed
[09:38] <hyperair> you should get that
[09:38] <harmental> xtknight: no errors so far...what should I do next?
[09:38] <hyperair> xtknight: i've uploaded a fixed package to my ppa: http://edge.launchpad.net/~hyperair/+archive
[09:38] <xtknight> harmental, sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic  linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic
[09:38] <mario> should i let remove the packages?
[09:39] <harmental> xtknight: i got the "reboot required" message...
[09:39] <xtknight> hyperair, Hardy is at Freeze right now.  you will have to file a Freeze Exception per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess to get the fix in.  But they might accept your request.
[09:39] <harmental> should i reboot first?
[09:39] <xtknight> harmental, um pastebin what all it did
[09:39] <hyperair> xtknight: nautilus-wallpaper bug that's similar to this is Bug #186938
[09:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186938 in nautilus-wallpaper "nautilus-wallpaper not working in hardy heron after update to nautilus-2.21.6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186938
[09:39] <hyperair> xtknight: thanks for the info
[09:39] <hyperair> xtknight: i'll try that
[09:40] <xtknight> hyperair, additionally #ubuntu-motu (user-dev channel) and #ubuntu-devel (mainly dev channel) can help with packaging issues.  you can ask for their opinion on the problems
[09:40] <mario> i install it... mhh
[09:40] <xtknight> sorry to give you "canned" responses but i can't really do anything about it :p
[09:42] <mario> damn! i installd libcompizconfig0 and i i want to install any compiz package he want to remove it, but then he cant install cause he need it... gtt
[09:44] <harmental> xtknight: i felt down.....
[09:44] <xtknight> harmental, you did what?
[09:44] <xtknight> :p
[09:45] <harmental> xtknight: nothing...i think it was my router...
[09:45] <mario> ok metacity works now...
[09:45] <harmental> ok...so should i do now?
[09:45] <mario> but there iss a compiz problem, what to do?
[09:45] <harmental> to reboot or not to reboot...that is the dilemma...
[09:47] <xtknight> hmm
[09:47] <xtknight> harmental, pastebin of what the last install cmd did?
[09:48] <harmental> xtknight: i didnt install anything....
[09:48] <xtknight> harmental, sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic  linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic
[09:48] <xtknight> all that?
[09:48] <harmental> i just purged 2.6.24-16 as you told me...
[09:48] <xtknight> ok then install those
[09:48] <harmental> xtknight: ok...so i install all that regardless the reboot sign?
[09:49] <xtknight> harmental, yea
[09:50] <mario> cant anybody help me?
[09:51] <thompa> mario: whats up?
[09:51] <harmental> xtknight: i get this error http://pastebin.com/d1ff231a7
[09:51] <thompa> anyone know how to get network manager applet back, its gone since latest update?
[09:52] <hischild> thompa, nm-applet & ?
[09:52] <mario> thompa: compiz doesnt want to run and i cant install it
[09:53] <xtknight> harmental, type sudo /sbin/update-grub
[09:53] <xtknight> and please pastebin the output
[09:53] <thompa> mario: whats yor graphic card?
[09:53] <thompa> hischild: sorry , what do i do?
[09:54] <hischild> thompa, in console, type nm-applet
[09:54] <hischild> if it starts up, then you can kill it again and start it via alt+f2
[09:54] <thompa> hischild: it just hangs at password prompt
[09:54] <hischild> if it doesn't it'll give you an error most likely
[09:54] <hischild> what?
[09:54] <thompa> hischild: if i type that it does nothing
[09:55] <hischild> thompa, ps aux | grep nm-applet doesn't give you anything?
[09:55] <thompa> thom      6105  0.1  0.6  31560 12072 ?        S    04:47   0:00 nm-applet --sm-disable
[09:56] <hischild> thompa, that's why it won't show, it just refuses to boot up twice. Kill it and then restart it. Should show it back
[09:56] <thompa> hischild: and 3 more lines
[09:56] <harmental> xtknight: i get sudo: /sbin/update-grub: command not found
[09:56] <thompa> hischild: it shows 2 running
[09:56] <hischild> thompa, kill them all
[09:56] <thompa> roger
[09:57] <xtknight> harmental, sudo apt-get --reinstall install grub
[09:57] <mario_> does anbody answer me? irssi doesnt show really
[09:57] <xtknight> i dont know what happened to your grub
[09:58] <thompa> hischild: i killed them , but still nothing after typing nm=applet as user
[09:58] <hischild> thompa, don't run it as root, it'll ask you for access to the keyring and other stuff. I'm sorry but that's how i've fixed it for me so i'm out of things. :(
[09:58] <thompa> hischild: cpu is way up to 1005 now
[09:59] <thompa> *100
[09:59] <harmental> xtknight: should i intall the pacakges maintainers version or keep version currently installed?
[09:59] <xtknight> harmental, package maintainers
[09:59] <thompa> im going to update reboot or something
[10:00] <xtknight> harmental, i've got to take off soon, but after that try "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and hopefully it will configure your kernels
[10:00] <harmental> xtknight: its done...
[10:00] <harmental> no message whatsoever after --configure -a
[10:00] <harmental> is that normal?
[10:00] <xtknight> harmental, try sudo apt-get -f install
[10:01] <harmental> i get this
[10:01] <harmental> xtknight: http://pastebin.com/d38dca07c
[10:02] <xtknight> harmental, dpkg -s linux-image-2.4.24-16-generic
[10:02] <xtknight> err
[10:02] <xtknight> harmental, dpkg -s linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic
[10:02] <thompa> a aslo cant get hardware drivers to open anymore
[10:02] <xtknight> harmental, if it shows a lot, it means the package is installed.  so probably reboot time?
[10:03] <harmental> got this: http://pastebin.com/d617b8cc0
[10:03] <xtknight> looks good
[10:03] <harmental> its definitely a lot :oP
[10:03] <xtknight> ummm... hmm let's see
[10:04] <Jaffarkelshac> my desktop wont boot, it enters busybox shell when ubuntu starts to load, it happened before and a restart did it, but now it just wone badge, is there a known fix for this?
[10:04] <xtknight> sudo update-grub && sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.24-16-generic
[10:04] <xtknight> harmental,
[10:04] <xtknight> just for safety
[10:05] <harmental> ok
[10:05] <xtknight> reboot then.  should be ok
[10:06] <harmental> xtknight: everything went smoothly....what now?
[10:06] <harmental> ok...lets reboot then...
[10:06] <harmental> xtknight: thank SO VERY MUCH...
[10:06] <xtknight> hope it works cuz i gotta go
[10:06] <xtknight> :p
[10:06] <xtknight> if not i wouldnt know what to tell you anyways
[10:06] <xtknight> reinstall hardy that's what i'd tell ya
[10:06] <xtknight> anyway, later
[10:06] <harmental> you've done enough anyways....
[10:07] <harmental> thank you!
[10:08] <adred> hi gud day..how to remove firefox beta 5 and replace with the latest stable version?
[10:10] <adred> hi gud day..how to remove firefox beta 5 and replace with the latest stable version?
[10:10] <thompa> in xubuntu i got nm-applet, in ubuntu i dont and also hardware drivers wont open
[10:11] <I_reckn> adred: in a terminal  sudo apt-get purge firefox  then  sudo apt-get install firefox-2
[10:11] <harmental> xtknight: worked like a charm!
[10:11] <harmental> thx
[10:12] <adred> I_reckn thank you. the beta 5 is very unstable. whenever i try to open a malicious site it overlaps my panel while i doesn't happen in windows that has the version 2
[10:13] <I_reckn> adred: I had issues with it as well
[10:14] <Jordan_U> adred, Why?
[10:14] <adred> Jordan_U what do u mean?
[10:15] <adred> Jordan_U. the beta 5 is very unstable. whenever i try to open some malicious sites it overlaps my panel while it doesn't happen in windows that has the version 2
[10:17] <kadko> Hello how can i install fusion for manage the compiz and GTK windows?
[10:18] <adred> kadko i think its preinstalled in hardy
[10:18] <adred> kadko no im wrong sorry
[10:18] <kadko> :)
[10:23] <kadko> s
[10:25] <adred> I_reckn ff beta 5 is still installed. even after i installed ff2..?
[10:26] <I_reckn> adred: that shouldn't be
[10:27] <adred> I_reckn. it still installed for some reason.
[10:27] <I_reckn> adred: try     ls /usr/bin | grep firefox     and see if it is listed as firefox-2
[10:28] <kadko> I_reckn may be do u know how to install the fusion for manage the compiz?
[10:29] <I_reckn> kadko: I don't use it or know it sorry
[10:29] <adred> I_reckn. it is still. actually it shows ff2 and ff3 are both installed
[10:30] <Jordan_U> !ccsm | I_reckn