[08:23] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: not sure what this would do but edit the fstab
[08:23] <eagles0513875> sudo nano /etc/fstab where it says ntfs-3g replace it with ext4
[08:23] <eagles0513875> and reboot
[08:23] <KruyKaze> ok
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> fstab dosent show what anything  'is' it shows what you TOLD it  to be. :)
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> sudo fdisk -l /dev/deviceinquestion      and see what fdisk says it is
[08:26] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: he said its showing its ntfs-3g
[08:26] <KruyKaze> Dr_Willis, i never spoke to it :(
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  the installer or somthing did.. fstab does not macigally change when you edit your partitions
[08:26] <KruyKaze> i'm reformatting with gparted using sudo now
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> You must make suer its correct
[08:26] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: upgrading my install atm not vm to see if i have the same issue i believe im running nv driver
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  refroamting will NOT change /etc/fstab
[08:27] <KruyKaze> so it needs to be edited
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> if its formated to ect4. then you edit  fstab to show the change.
[08:27] <KruyKaze> sounds good
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875 | sudo nano /etc/fstab where it says ntfs-3g replace it with ext4
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> there may be other edits to make to it also
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> depending on the exact line
[08:27] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: thats what i just told him to do
[08:28] <Dr_Willis>  /dev/whatevber  /media/mountpoint / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> oops extra /
[08:28] <Dr_Willis>  /dev/whatevber  /media/mountpoint ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> my fstab dosent even have entries for my ntfs-3g filesystems any more
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> wonder how its mointing them. :) must be  the automounter stuff
[08:29] <KruyKaze> i am trying to get rid fo all windows traces
[08:29] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: regarding your console issue im currently updating and i dont have the nvidia driver installed
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  then delete the lines that mention ntfs-3g and put in proper entries.
[08:29] <KruyKaze> can i do sudo gedit that file?
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  yea i need to check the bug listings
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  yes.. or use whatever editor you want
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> !fstab
[08:30] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: ill let you know how it goes i have a ton updates to download
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> a proper entry would use the UUID of the filesystems you are wanting to mount.
[08:30] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: and wifi is broken with the pllasma-widget-network manager again
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  yep. Im waiting a day or so to update my other machines
[08:30] <eagles0513875> i have what i need backed up
[08:31] <eagles0513875> which is my .ssh and .gnupg folders
[08:31] <eagles0513875> the dev work i can easily get again so its no big
[08:31] <eagles0513875> its in bzr anyway
[08:31] <KruyKaze> all i changed in that line is ntfs-3g to ext4
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  whates the exact line now?
[08:33] <Dr_Willis>  ntfs-3g is very diffrent  and proberly just changeing tha one thing is not correct.
[08:33] <KruyKaze> Dr_Willis, /dev/sdb1                                  /media/sdb1    ext4         users,user,owner       0  0
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> You probery do not need the users/user/owner option.
[08:33] <Dr_Willis>   /dev/whatevber  /media/mountpoint / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
[08:33] <KruyKaze> maybe i should put defaults
[08:33] <TheInfinity> but you need defauls
[08:33] <TheInfinity> *defaults
[08:33] <Dr_Willis>  is the default options I got for my / partition
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> You dont need user/users/owner  (some of those ive enver even heard of befor) becuse the users are not going tobe mountint the filesystem
[08:34] <KruyKaze> changed to defaults using device manager
[08:34] <KruyKaze> /dev/sdb1                                  /media/sdb1    ext4         defaults               0  0
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> Your user wont beable to write to the filesystem unless you either chown it tobe owned by them.. or make a directory on it. and chown THAT tobe owned by them
[08:36] <Dr_Willis>  and /media/sdb1 MUST exist befor you can mount that filesystem
[08:36] <KruyKaze> i'll chown it
[08:37] <KruyKaze> chowned
[08:37] <KruyKaze> it sounds like reboot time
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> no need to reboot
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> sudo mount -a
[08:38] <KruyKaze> it's mounted
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> and if you chowned it BEFOR it was mounted..  the chown wont matter....
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> you have to chown it after its mounted
[08:38] <KruyKaze> yes
[08:38] <KruyKaze> done in that order
[08:39] <KruyKaze> now i'll transfer my 500 gis to that drive
[08:39] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: why the flip make it harder on urself
[08:39] <KruyKaze> gigs*
[08:39] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, flip?
[08:39] <eagles0513875> instead of another word which cant be mentioned in here
[08:40] <KruyKaze> how did i make it harder on my self eagles0513875?
[08:40]  * ghendar waves to eagles0513875
[08:41] <eagles0513875> hey ghendar
[08:41] <eagles0513875> to stay having to chown it before and after
[08:41] <eagles0513875> why not just set it to auto mount
[08:42] <eagles0513875> just copy the fstab entry to what ur / partition is set to
[08:42] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, i was just following dr's instructions
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> all i did was cut/past the  entry in my fstab for / :) and added a path
[08:43] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: wouldnt it be easier for him to just copy an fstab entry that is already auto mounted?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> if he evenhas any
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> best would be to use the UUID= type format
[08:43] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: in that case how does one find out the UUID of a partition
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> !uuid
[08:44] <eagles0513875> ahhh i just learned something new :)
[08:44] <ghendar> wait... there was a rationale?!  ;)
[08:44] <eagles0513875> ghendar: long story
[08:44] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:44] <KruyKaze> lol
[08:44] <ghendar> I prefer my devs to be willy nilly types
[08:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:45] <ghendar> like... ooooh UUID... acronymy goodness, lets use it!
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> I mount minebased on LABEL  :)
[08:46] <KruyKaze> transferring 500 gigs will only take 1hand 15mins
[08:46] <eagles0513875> heheh ghendar
[08:46] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: whats the advantage of using uuid
[08:47] <EvilAIM> Dangit!
[08:47] <ghendar> KruyKaze, 1hand?!  so you can only do it twice then?  ;)
[08:47] <EvilAIM> I can't figure this damn thing out
[08:47] <KruyKaze> 1h and * :D
[08:48] <EvilAIM> Can someone help me
[08:48] <EvilAIM> anyone know anything about smplayer?
[08:48] <ghendar> EvilAIM, depends
[08:48] <KruyKaze> that damn thing sux
[08:49] <EvilAIM> Well, it has a clock
[08:49] <EvilAIM> like, when I'm watching a movie
[08:49] <EvilAIM> it counts up in seconds...
[08:49] <EvilAIM> I want that gone...
[08:49] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/447837
[08:51] <EvilAIM> GOT IT!
[08:51] <EvilAIM> YAY!
[08:51] <KruyKaze> good
[08:51] <EvilAIM> Options -> OSD -> blah
[08:51] <EvilAIM> where blah you set what you want
[08:51] <EvilAIM> just fyi
[08:52] <EvilAIM> :)
[08:52] <eagles0513875> darthanubis: i would take that to the ubuntu-kernel channel
[08:52] <KruyKaze> why do u like smplayer?
[08:52] <EvilAIM> Because, it lets me do stuff
[08:52] <EvilAIM> haha
[08:52] <EvilAIM> This is semi-interesting to explain
[08:52] <darthanubis> eagles0513875, k
[08:52] <KruyKaze> awesome
[08:53] <EvilAIM> smplayer allows something called vdpau
[08:53] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: you got ur probelm sorted
[08:53] <KruyKaze> fixed that file
[08:53] <EvilAIM> which allows me to use my Video Card to take most of the load of HD movies:)
[08:53] <KruyKaze> but still shows 14gigs used
[08:54] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, gotcha
[08:54] <EvilAIM> It's 1337
[08:54] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, like in xbmc?
[08:54] <EvilAIM> ?
[08:54] <EvilAIM> xbmc allows for it?
[08:54] <KruyKaze> xbox media center
[08:54] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: ping. rebooting now to see if i have the console issue
[08:54] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, yes
[08:55] <EvilAIM> Nice
[08:55] <KruyKaze> yes
[08:55] <EvilAIM> Well, I'll stick to my low resources;)
[08:55] <EvilAIM> I also upscaled my proc
[08:55] <KruyKaze> how low?
[08:55] <EvilAIM> as ubuntu seems to down scale it
[08:55] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: were u running konsole from the desktop or a tty console
[08:55] <EvilAIM> I was sitting at 1 ghz
[08:55] <EvilAIM> now I'm at 2.3
[08:55] <KruyKaze> i'm looking to get htpc
[08:55] <EvilAIM> on my dual core
[08:55] <eagles0513875> EvilAIM: watch ur temps
[08:56] <eagles0513875> if youre overclocking
[08:56] <KruyKaze> it's ok it's winter now
[08:56] <EvilAIM> it's not over clocking
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> Console. :) not Konsole
[08:57] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, u mean ubuntu was not using it fully?
[08:57] <EvilAIM> I think if I over clocked from 1 gigz to 2.3 gigs it'd blow my house up;)
[08:57] <EvilAIM> correct
[08:58] <EvilAIM> ubuntu down scales
[08:58] <KruyKaze> in general?
[08:58] <EvilAIM> yes
[08:58] <KruyKaze> i have a dual core on my laptop
[08:58] <EvilAIM> check what your cpu usage is...
[08:58] <EvilAIM> and think about what they are
[08:58] <KruyKaze> fsck! how do i upscale?
[08:59] <EvilAIM> haha
[08:59] <KruyKaze> and how do i know if i'm downscaled?
[08:59] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: its a bug with ur driver nv works fine for me but then again im on a different card :( a 9400M
[08:59] <EvilAIM> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:59] <EvilAIM> type that
[08:59] <eagles0513875> EvilAIM: thats probably the power management though
[09:00] <eagles0513875> u dont need to be full power all the time
[09:00] <EvilAIM> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[09:00] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, is that a command?
[09:00] <eagles0513875> granted it will throttle up probably for compilation of programs etc
[09:00] <EvilAIM> and type that
[09:00] <EvilAIM> no
[09:00] <EvilAIM> use the first command to see what your set at
[09:00] <EvilAIM> it'll be CPU MHZ:
[09:00] <EvilAIM> and the second command will tell you how high it can go
[09:00] <EvilAIM> just paste bin results or something
[09:01] <KruyKaze> 2400000 2133000 1867000 1600000
[09:02] <eagles0513875> so 2.4 2.13 1.86 1.6
[09:02] <KruyKaze> yes
[09:02] <KruyKaze> but i'm at 1.6
[09:02] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: means ur not doing anything processor intensive
[09:02] <KruyKaze> that is soo messed up
[09:02] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: you on a laptop
[09:02] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: when u start copying data it should throttle up
[09:02] <Trewas> frequency scaling does not affect performance, the frequency will be ramped up when it is needed, other times some energy is saved by running the processor at lower speed
[09:02] <KruyKaze> right now on desktop
[09:03] <eagles0513875> same concept for desktops
[09:03] <KruyKaze> oh i see
[09:03] <eagles0513875> like Trewas only goes all out when u doing something that needs all the processing power
[09:03] <KruyKaze> got me worried there
[09:03] <EvilAIM> ya
[09:03] <EvilAIM> so the command is:
[09:04] <KruyKaze> to run at 2.4 all the time?
[09:04] <EvilAIM> sudo cpufreq-selector -f 2400000
[09:04] <EvilAIM> ya
[09:04] <EvilAIM> makes yur shit quick
[09:04] <KruyKaze> why would i want that?
[09:04] <EvilAIM> Because, instead of the CPU getting boosted only when it needs, which means lags...
[09:04] <EvilAIM> it just runs at that temp
[09:04] <EvilAIM> but the thing about this command is
[09:05] <KruyKaze> oh i see
[09:05] <EvilAIM> it isn't static, meaning once you reboot, it'll turn itself off
[09:05] <KruyKaze> nitro? lol
[09:05] <EvilAIM> :)
[09:05] <EvilAIM> pretty much
[09:05] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: ignore him anyway its safer on ur energy bill when u dont need all the power
[09:05] <eagles0513875> right now my mobo is pulling bout 59watts
[09:05] <EvilAIM> I use this command when I need to watch Mooooovies
[09:05] <KruyKaze> it's like revving up all the time
[09:05] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi eagles0513875
[09:05] <eagles0513875> seen it get throttled up as high as 90watts
[09:05] <eagles0513875> hey NinjaPlimsolls
[09:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, my motherboard is pulling 459watts ;)
[09:06] <eagles0513875> O_O
[09:06] <KruyKaze> mothership?
[09:06]  * eagles0513875 pictures NinjaPlimsolls motherboard melting
[09:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, with all 6 of my geforce cards, it pulls 1.21 gigawatts
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> fry eggs on the cpu
[09:06] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, how do you do that?
[09:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> but my flux capacitor isnt working :(
[09:06] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: you flipping serious
[09:06] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: do what
[09:07] <KruyKaze> * eagles0513875 pictures NinjaPlimsolls motherboard melting
[09:07] <eagles0513875> lol NinjaPlimsolls how are your warp cores :P
[09:07] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, had to jettison it last week, got a phone call from PowerGen :(
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> 'the engines canna take any moar!'
[09:07] <KruyKaze> *test
[09:07] <eagles0513875> hehe KruyKaze pulling that amount of electricity the components i dont think could handle it
[09:07] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: you get my pm
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> Not really.. been playing 'kq' for a while. :)
[09:08] <KruyKaze> no i mean that * comment
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> !info kq
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> poor bot is slow.
[09:08] <NinjaPlimsolls> i think it needs some coffee
[09:08] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, plz
[09:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> Dr_Willis, FF7 is still the best roleplaying game ever made
[09:09] <KruyKaze> NinjaPlimsolls, agreed
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> The Playstation 1 emulator in  the repos.. does work nicely.. Im pretty sure it played FF7...
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> Or was that a ps2 game. i forget.. I had one for the PC also...
[09:10] <KruyKaze> psx
[09:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> I still have a PSX so I dig it out sometimes and play through
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> I never did finish it. :)
[09:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> Blasphemer!
[09:10] <KruyKaze> so how do i make a comment"kruykaze is eating a sandwitch" ?
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> i forget how far i got.. i think  that was also the one that was out on the PC.
[09:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> type /me blablabla
[09:10]  * KruyKaze blabla
[09:11] <KruyKaze> :D
[09:11]  * Dr_Willis has no idea how to make a comment"kruykaze is eating a sandwitch" ?
[09:11] <KruyKaze> thx
[09:11] <NinjaPlimsolls> yeah the PC version of it was terrible
[09:11] <NinjaPlimsolls> youd get about 4 hours into it, be free of Midgar and then it would crash
[09:11]  * KruyKaze beat ff7 with 2000 hp max
[09:11] <EvilAIM> :)
[09:11] <EvilAIM> There
[09:11] <EvilAIM> I have an icon for "NoS"
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> last i recall any FF game.. i some how got stuck in a loop where i couldent finish...
[09:11] <EvilAIM> and one for "New Breaks"
[09:11] <EvilAIM> ;)
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> then again - it could of been  i hackec the save game file also...
[09:12] <EvilAIM> one sets my cpu at 2gigahertz
[09:12]  * NinjaPlimsolls bred a gold chocobo, had knights of the round, and killed all weapons ;)
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> shame that one FF-like game that came out 3 mo ago./ (2 mo?) aparently sucked badly
[09:12] <KruyKaze> that was a great achievement
[09:13] <KruyKaze> can u imagine beating sephiroth with 200hp?
[09:13] <KruyKaze> 2000*
[09:13] <NinjaPlimsolls> Ruby weapon was easy.... tried killing it normally a few times but died like a dog, so I just mimed knights of the round on every char and scellotaped the button down lol
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> KruyKaze:  your inner geek is showing. :)
[09:13] <KruyKaze> :D
[09:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> made a cuppa, came back and the fight win screen was up :P
[09:14] <KruyKaze> i'm not afraid to show it
[09:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> i think i fought him with 9999
[09:14] <KruyKaze> pu$$y!
[09:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> :(
[09:14] <KruyKaze> sorry
[09:14]  * NinjaPlimsolls sits on the naughty step
[09:14] <KruyKaze> :D
[09:15] <KruyKaze> i basically didn't level up and faught him
[09:15] <KruyKaze> it was fscking hard
[09:15] <KruyKaze> still have the music playing in my head
[09:16] <NinjaPlimsolls> i remember the Cosmo Canyon theme
[09:16] <eagles0513875> hey guys can u keep it to karmic talk or head to kubuntu-offtopic plz
[09:16] <KruyKaze> :'(
[09:16] <EvilAIM> hey
[09:16] <EvilAIM> kruy
[09:16] <EvilAIM> you in gnome?
[09:16] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, yes
[09:16] <EvilAIM> right click a panel
[09:16] <EvilAIM> click add to panel
[09:17] <KruyKaze> ok
[09:17] <EvilAIM> "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor"
[09:17] <EvilAIM> :)
[09:17] <eagles0513875> KruyKaze: its nothing against you just not productive to those who need help with karmic
[09:17] <EvilAIM> blamo
[09:17] <EvilAIM> right there
[09:17] <KruyKaze> eagles0513875, sorry no one else was talking at all
[09:17] <EvilAIM> Lets you scale and pick yur own shit
[09:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> yeah sorry eagles0513875, i feel more like a squatter in this room anyways lol
[09:17] <eagles0513875> lol NinjaPlimsolls hehe well i kinda am as well cuz i only seem to have issues once in a blue moon
[09:18] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: your issue with console didnt surface for me with the nv driver btw
[09:18] <KruyKaze> EvilAIM, then?
[09:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> are .debs installing ok now from GUI?
[09:18] <EvilAIM> just look at it
[09:19] <EvilAIM> that's the exact thing I was telling you about
[09:19] <EvilAIM> you can pick power save
[09:19] <EvilAIM> performance...
[09:19] <bain> Morning
[09:19] <NinjaPlimsolls> morning bain
[09:19] <EvilAIM> That's leet man
[09:19] <KruyKaze> oh isee :D
[09:19] <bain> So I seemt o have found a bug in grub with my setup. Who can I pass the information along to ?
[09:20] <KruyKaze> is that new?
[09:20] <bain> I'm doing a bug report as well
[09:20]  * Dr_Willis files a slug report.
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> frost killed the bugs
[09:23]  * EvilAIM touches you *
[09:24]  * NinjaPlimsolls looks at EvilAIM
[09:24] <NinjaPlimsolls> Stop touching meeeeee!
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> Dont make me stop this car!
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> i WILl turn  this thing around!
[09:24] <KruyKaze> lol
[09:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> does anyone here code XHTML or PHP or anything like that?
[09:25] <eagles0513875> i know html NinjaPlimsolls
[09:25] <eagles0513875> hahaha Dr_Willis what u filling a slug against :P
[09:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> I'm trying to find a decent editor to use, right now I'm giving Bluefish a whirl
[09:25] <bain> *sigh* I really hope they fix xterm ...
[09:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> just wondered if there are any other editors
[09:25] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: take a look at genii
[09:25] <eagles0513875> !genii
[09:25] <eagles0513875> wtf
[09:25] <bain> NinjaPlimsolls: vi ?
[09:25] <eagles0513875> !geany
[09:25] <eagles0513875> whoops wrong genii
[09:26] <NinjaPlimsolls> vi is like siphillis
[09:26] <eagles0513875> !info geany
[09:26] <bain> NinjaPlimsolls: some of us enjoy catching siphillis :P
[09:26] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: geany supports over 30 different languages from html to php to c++ pascal and fortan and more
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> vim Owns you. :)
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> I also use geany
[09:26] <NinjaPlimsolls> cool I'll take a look
[09:26] <eagles0513875> YAY THE FUN OF DOING ENTITY RELATIONSHIP DIAGRAMS
[09:26] <eagles0513875> whoops sry for caps
[09:26] <eagles0513875> ill brb
[09:26] <NinjaPlimsolls> i do most of my coding plaintext anyway, just want nice features like sticking in tags etc
[09:27] <bain> eagles0513875: cound be worse .. you could be doing corportate strategy documentation :)
[09:27] <NinjaPlimsolls> hey, i may be a coder, but that doesnt stop me from being lazy :P
[09:27] <eagles0513875> bain: its part of my course which is alot of math and programming this yr
[09:27] <eagles0513875> bsc computing and information systems
[09:27] <KruyKaze> ok night guys
[09:28] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: then go back to winblows :P use dreamweaver u lazy bum
[09:28] <eagles0513875> hahaha
[09:28] <eagles0513875> j/k
[09:28] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, wtf?
[09:28] <eagles0513875> hehe j/k bro
[09:28] <NinjaPlimsolls> I just said I do all my coding plaintext
[09:28] <eagles0513875> ] <NinjaPlimsolls> hey, i may be a coder, but that doesnt stop me from being lazy :P
[09:28] <eagles0513875> thats what i was responding to NinjaPlimsolls :P
[09:28] <eagles0513875> if you want to really be lazy dreamweave takes coding out of web programming
[09:29] <eagles0513875> ill be back
[09:29] <NinjaPlimsolls> oh no, i like coding
[09:29] <NinjaPlimsolls> i just dont like typing <br /> 60 times per document lol
[09:29] <eagles0513875> hehe
[09:29] <eagles0513875> copy paste my friend
[09:29] <NinjaPlimsolls> i know :(
[09:29] <eagles0513875> ahhh wrong type of lazy then lol
[09:29] <eagles0513875> brb
[09:30] <bullgard4> What is the function of the loadable kernel driver 'videodev'? The information output of 'modinfo': "v4l1-compat" does mean what?
[09:30] <NinjaPlimsolls> dunno if bazaar-type development would work for a website? id just kick back and let ppl sort out W3C compliance for me :P
[09:31] <bain> *sigh* not to figure out hot o manually install grub on karmic ..
[09:31] <NinjaPlimsolls> what happened bane?
[09:31] <NinjaPlimsolls> bain*
[09:31] <bain> NinjaPlimsolls: grub installer is dying on my during install on one machine.
[09:32] <NinjaPlimsolls> not good
[09:32] <bain> Nope ...
[09:32] <bain> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/440803
[09:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> hmm weird
[09:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> mine worked fine
[09:33] <bain> hmmm ... why would grub not be installed on the base ..
[09:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> tell you what you could do
[09:34] <NinjaPlimsolls> just get a 9.04 live cd and do sudo update-manager -d
[09:34] <bain> ummmm no .. I'm in the dark side of the internet, where we pay for bandwidth
[09:35] <NinjaPlimsolls> haha :P
[09:37] <vinvin> hi
[09:38] <vinvin> I have a question about karmic: I am using it on an hp7 laptop, and the sound level is quite low, and has a lot of bass
[09:38] <vinvin> is there a way to fix this ??
[09:38] <bain> *sigh* .. I give up .. I'll wait for the release and see how it goes ...
[09:40] <vinvin> I prefer the kubuntu interface but might give up beacause of this sound problem
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> gnome dosent have th sound issues?
[09:44] <EvilAIM> what?
[09:44] <EvilAIM> That just gave me a head ache
[09:45]  * Dr_Willis hits EvilAIM  on the toe with a rice mallet.. there ya got.. you will frget about the headache now.,
[09:45] <vinvin> well I haven't tried, but in 9.04 it did not
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> theres been a lot of tweaks/changes to the sound system.  The information output of 'modinfo': "v4l1-compat" does mean what?
[09:50] <NinjaPlimsolls> weee nothing broke :D
[09:51] <NinjaPlimsolls> wb eagles0513875
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> file a bug.. :)
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> 'Updates dident break somthing.... bug #9999999'
[09:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> lol
[09:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> haven't had any problems running karmic or doing any of the updates
[09:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> so I must be blessed
[09:52]  * NinjaPlimsolls touches wood
[09:53] <eagles0513875> ty ty
[09:53] <eagles0513875> bug #1
[09:53] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: filed ur slug :P
[09:53] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: me neither no issues
[09:53] <eagles0513875> but Dr_Willis i really think there is an issue with certain things that got updated from jaunty to karmic possibly xorg or stuff of the sort
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> yea - This is a clean install.. ive not  had any issues till yesterdays update.. watching a video now. i willreboot and try the older kernel next.  as trouble shooting
[09:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, have you read any of the stuff about Lucid Lynx?
[09:54]  * Dr_Willis is watching a 'meet the gimp tutorial'
[09:54] <eagles0513875> no i havent yet NinjaPlimsolls
[09:54] <eagles0513875> hahah guys go to this bug
[09:54] <eagles0513875> bug number 1
[09:54] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[09:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, shuttleworth wants to remove aptitude and synaptic, and just use the Ubuntu software centre
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> first thing i will install will be synaptic......
[09:55] <eagles0513875> O_O NinjaPlimsolls interesting
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> :0
[09:55] <GobiTheGoblin> Hi guys =)  I use this netbook-remix (nvidia, amd), and I have no virtual consoles. Is this common?
[09:55] <eagles0513875> hehe
[09:55] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin:  talk to Dr_Willis he seems to be having console issues
[09:55] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, and karmic is the last of GNOME 2.8(something) releases, lynx will have GNOME 3
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  what video card/chipset?
[09:55] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: hopefully all gnome users wont have issues with it like when 4.0 was rolled out
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> there was someone in here earlier that had no login: showing up.. im having gfx issues on the consoles.
[09:55] <vinvin> ok, I've filled a bug report regarding my sound problem
[09:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, you mean KDE4? well granted KDE is atrocious
[09:56] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: nvidia C51 i believe (lspci)
[09:56] <eagles0513875> ya NinjaPlimsolls but it has come along way
[09:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> eagles0513875, you know whats stopping me from using it?
[09:56] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: are you using the 185 driver from the repositories
[09:56] <eagles0513875> NinjaPlimsolls: what
[09:56] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: yep
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  are the consoles 'blank' or is it full of video garbage?
[09:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> treating every icon on the desktop as either some weird folder view thing, or a widget
[09:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> didnt we talk about this the other day? lol
[09:56] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: actually, tty1 is garbage others are blank
[09:56] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: remove it and see if you still have the same issue with the generic nv driver
[09:57] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: k, will try. I come back after tests to give results. =)
[09:57] <eagles0513875> ok GobiTheGoblin
[09:57] <eagles0513875> i had something similar where i wouldnt get x workign with 185 in alpha 5
[09:57] <eagles0513875> nv wouldnt work either
[09:57] <eagles0513875> as soon as i tried the driver form nvidia it worked just fine which i found out to be odd
[09:57] <NinjaPlimsolls> for me eagles0513875, GNOME seems to be the more logical of the two DE's
[09:58] <eagles0513875> the way things are sorted there i get uber confused
[09:58] <NinjaPlimsolls> ive always used GNOME though, same with you and KDE i expect?
[09:58] <Dr_Willis> Gnome needs to get over the 'our users are idiots' mentality however.
[09:59] <NinjaPlimsolls> oh definitely, I just prefer GTK, the layout and other stuff
[09:59] <darthanubis> Dr_Willis, are they that far off the mark, considering the questions from buntu users?
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> darthanubis:  yes.
[10:00] <NinjaPlimsolls> it does lack deeper customisation stuff
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> We 'can' handle settings for the screen saver... :)
[10:00] <darthanubis> #ubuntu disagrees with you I think
[10:00]  * nonix4 ponders whether "Fix Released" is wrong state for bugs with fix only in Karmic so far, while Karmic is still "not released"?
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> we can handle  seperate wallpapers for each desktop
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> #1 question i see in #ubntu these days all relate to flash problems.. or people wanting features in gnome
[10:00] <darthanubis> Dr_Willis, i agree with you...but they have to bring users along slowly
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> Then have check box's/settings to show/hide the advanced features
[10:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> darthanubis, very very true
[10:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> I tried KDE and got lost very quickly
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> kde4 is confuseing at first..
[10:01] <cybersplice> Dr_Willis, seriously. Flash is SO vital.
[10:01] <darthanubis> I LOVE KDe4.3 but the Plasmoids are still very weak
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> then  it crashin gall the time makes kde4 harder to figure out
[10:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> i just dont like the idea of plasmoids, at all
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> I still think windowmaker and its warf handled 'widgits' best.. :)
[10:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> yup
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> but i think that feature has been removed from kde4 also..
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> kde3 could have a warf-panel i recall.
[10:02] <darthanubis> I ran KDE4.3 for a month and a half and enjoyed it, but found myself using allGTK apps
[10:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> well, to be fair, the only OS that handles things like widgets sensibly and in a very accessible manner is OSX
[10:03] <darthanubis> If I'm goin gto do that, whats the point
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> Os-X pushes widgits so hard the new mac mice have a button just to show the widgits
[10:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> wow how lazy
[10:03] <darthanubis> I just can't do Jobs, or Ballmer
[10:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> considering all they needed to press previously was an F key
[10:04] <darthanubis> at all
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> next tiem you are at a store check out the aqpple mice.. theres a little round button. (i though i twas a scroll wheel/ball at furst)
[10:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> me neither, Ballmer is pompous and apple hardware is over-priced
[10:04] <darthanubis> apple hardware is over-priced<<<<<<<<<TOTALLY
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> Then again.. that almost makes up for other lacking features of OS-X
[10:05] <NinjaPlimsolls> I just wish some designers would sit down and really get their teeth into a decent looking default ubuntu theme
[10:05] <darthanubis> I like the new looks in Ubuntu
[10:05] <darthanubis> LOVE the icon sts
[10:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> and some icons that dont look like they were made in the 1980's with a copy of Deluxe Paint
[10:06] <darthanubis> sets
[10:06] <ectropy> I like big butts and I cannot lie.
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> I LIKED deluxe pait. :)
[10:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> I preferred painting in BASIC ;)
[10:06] <ectropy> I preferred painting in macpaint
[10:07] <ectropy> yes, google knows about macpaint
[10:07] <GobiTheGoblin> back again. No help there, drivers from nvidia.com didn't help
[10:08] <ghendar> I had a script at some point called photoslop... all it did was open an image apply a mosaic pattern and blur to it so it looked like you spilled a bunch of paint
[10:08] <GobiTheGoblin> actually, now all consoles prints garbage... o_O
[10:08] <NinjaPlimsolls> lol
[10:08] <ghendar> GobiTheGoblin, well, at least they're printing! ;)
[10:09] <GobiTheGoblin> ghendar: :P
[10:09] <ectropy> I had this special plastic adhesive transparent stuff that had wavy lines on it once.  How can I determine what driver did Ubuntu 9.10 for my USB web cam?
[10:18] <GobiTheGoblin> uuuh.. k. I found this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/447791
[10:19] <bullgard4> '~ $ modinfo videodev; Device registrar for Video4Linux drivers v2.'  It stays the same. It flickers just before entering X
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  on mine i see 'large vague blocks' and aparently those are the various windows i have on the desktop
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> if i rearange the windows on X.. then the console 'garbage' changes
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> done watching my video. :) guess i will look into it more now.
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> but i dont want to reboot now.. i got downloads going on. :)
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> gotta love it when you are gettting 1.1mb/s downloads... dont want to reboot now.
[10:23] <EvilAIM> that isn't your normal speed?
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> depends on what the servers are sending  to me.
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> total ive seen higher then that.. but rarely from a single server.
[10:24] <GobiTheGoblin> Dr_Willis: Well with me there is actually very little garbage.. 20 short green lines.. and few blue dots.. but after i change back to X, the whole screen flicers with blue blocks. Well, actually this not a big deal for me :P
[10:24] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: still didnt work for you
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> GobiTheGoblin:  yea. its annoyng.. ibe seen similer issues in the past with X drivers and consoles messing up
[10:24] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: no..
[10:24] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: now get the nvidia driver from the nvidia site
[10:25] <eagles0513875> that fixed issues for me
[10:25] <luca> hi everyone
[10:25] <cybersplice> Hi luca.
[10:25] <shoss> hello, which is the firmware directory on karmic?
[10:25] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: yea. only difference is that now I have same garbage on all virtual consoles :D progress, here I come :D
[10:25] <eagles0513875> hi luca
[10:25] <luca> I need help - I cannot boot into my system anymore, it hangs at "starting cryptswap"
[10:25] <eagles0513875> heheh GobiTheGoblin the latest driver from nvidia itself should fix it
[10:26] <cybersplice> luca, did you create an encrypted /home dir?
[10:26] <cybersplice> wait cryptswap
[10:26] <cybersplice> encrypted the whole machine?
[10:27] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: It might be related to kernel... what I am doing here, I might as well test it straight away... cya
[10:27] <eagles0513875> O_O
[10:27] <luca> cybersplice: I selected the option to have an encrypted home, which implies having also an encrypted swap
[10:27] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: let me know
[10:27] <EvilAIM> I still don't understand why people are using crypt on there home machines
[10:27] <EvilAIM> seems dumb to me
[10:28] <luca> cybersplice: problem is, now nothing functions, after yesterday I had some problems (grub-pc got removed during an upgrade, kernel was upgraded, I removed old kernel .. oops! Now grub is fixed, kinda, but eve if the kernel starts, cryptswap hangs)
[10:28] <luca> EvilAIM: this is a laptop, not properly a home machine
[10:28] <shoss> hello, which is the firmware directory on karmic?
[10:29] <hifi> shoss: /lib/firmware/ as always
[10:29] <luca> EvilAIM: however I have to say that it is more hassle than it is worth, at this point, considering also that nowhere was written "no hibernation possible" AND that I am not able to access my data from live, in any way :(
[10:30] <EvilAIM> I personally don't care about data THAT much to deal with it
[10:30] <bullgard4> '~ $ modinfo videodev; Device registrar for Video4Linux drivers v2.' How can I determine what driver did Ubuntu 9.10 load for my USB web cam?
[10:30] <EvilAIM> at the end of the day if you have your CC #'s or something like that on your computer you're a moron anyways
[10:30] <cybersplice> luca, it sounds like the encryption keys must have been lost
[10:31] <luca> cybersplice: dunno how that could have possibly happened; is there any way to repair it?
[10:31] <EvilAIM> *watches South Park in 1080p*...
[10:31] <EvilAIM> Really?
[10:31] <EvilAIM> this is not normal..
[10:32] <luca> EvilAIM: CC?
[10:32] <shoss> hifi: shouldn't i have a /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent ?
[10:32] <cybersplice> luca, my guess is when you lost those packages (not the kernel), the keys were perhaps overwritten.  I crashed this with overheating :P So, testing with 31-12 was A dumb idea :P
[10:35] <luca> cybersplice: ok, I had recorded the passphrase, and I am following the instructions here: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/03/mounting-your-encrypted-home-from.html
[10:35] <luca> cybersplice: terminal spits out this error: "Error: Your kernel does not support filename encryption"
[10:36] <cybersplice> splarg
[10:36] <cybersplice> what kernel is running?
[10:36] <luca> the live cd one
[10:36] <cybersplice> that's the problem, obviously
[10:36] <luca> I have performed the ecryptfs-add-passphrase --fnek part
[10:36] <luca> mmm
[10:36] <luca> wait
[10:36] <cybersplice> that might have splatted the keys itself
[10:36] <luca> maybe I did not do one thing properly
[10:36] <luca> one sec
[10:36] <cybersplice> let me look at your doc
[10:37] <cybersplice> ok.
[10:39] <cybersplice> luca, that should work pretty well, if it's not working then the best bet is to chroot into the broken system and reinstall the correct kernel
[10:40] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: you try new nvidia driver from nvidia or not yet
[10:40] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: Yea, I have the official one
[10:40] <eagles0513875> and did it fix the issue
[10:40] <luca> cybersplice: ok, it's working, at least now I have access to my data
[10:40] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: nope
[10:40] <eagles0513875> :(
[10:40] <eagles0513875> then i dunno :(
[10:40] <cybersplice> luca, yes, good stuff. Hope you're frantically performing your backup!
[10:40] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: It's ok really.. i rarely even use it
[10:41] <eagles0513875> GobiTheGoblin: did u upgrade it from jaunty
[10:41] <eagles0513875> *you
[10:41] <luca> cybersplice: I am grabbing my disk! :)
[10:41] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: No, clean install
[10:41] <eagles0513875> strange GobiTheGoblin
[10:41] <cybersplice> luca, i had to get PGP Universal Server at work, becuase my users are endlessly expert at forgetting their passphrases... similar issues ensued..
[10:42] <eagles0513875> is there a channel on freenode for the netbook remix GobiTheGoblin
[10:42] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: that would be really strange if it would be up to that
[10:43] <eagles0513875> lol GobiTheGoblin cuz i had some issues with upgrading from jaunty to karmic
[10:44] <GobiTheGoblin> eagles0513875: well I think those smart devs figure this one out eventually too.. It is not so big of a deal for me. All i wanted to test emacs on it
[10:44] <o_portista17> can someone thell me, what version of Firefox, do you all have on ubuntu?
[10:44] <eagles0513875> !info firefox | o_portista17
[10:44] <cybersplice> luca, not that you forgot your passphrase, obviously..
[10:44] <eagles0513875> o_portista17: that answer your question :)
[10:44] <o_portista17> thank you
[10:44] <cybersplice> ubottu is so win.
[10:45] <o_portista17> my firefox, it's now, Shiretoko ;<
[10:45]  * cybersplice facepalm.
[10:45] <luca> cybersplice: yeah, thankfully I had immediately printed it out
[10:45] <cybersplice> luca, you're supposed to  memorise it!
[10:46]  * cybersplice wonders if everyone is as paranoid as he is, and has four 20+ character passphrases memorised....
[10:46] <luca> cybersplice: an exadecimal passphrase of about 20 characters? not about to happen, I fear
[10:47] <luca> cybersplice: I have a *very* solid memorised login passphrase, to be sure, but the encrypted passphrase is a bit too much for me ;)
[10:47] <cybersplice> luca: Hah! Fair enough. Keep it secret, keep it safe.
[10:48] <cybersplice> My kitteh wants to talk to #ubuntu+1
[10:48] <cybersplice> Bloody cat...
[10:48] <GobiTheGoblin> luca: It's easy. Think a sentence, like "My cat is driving me mad" etc and when you type it, use a letter from upper right or left.. like "M" -> "K", "y" -> "7" etc
[10:49] <GobiTheGoblin> You get "K7 fw6 9e r59g9jy k4 kwr"
[10:49] <cybersplice> To be honest, long sentences are far easier to remember than complex nonalphanumeric phrases and almost as strong.
[10:49] <luca> GobiTheGoblin: sounds like a good advice, but I am not going to follow it with such an important thing straight away :D
[10:49] <cybersplice> Hells, adding spaces exponentially increases bruteforce complexity.
[10:49]  * cybersplice does information security for a living.
[10:50] <luca> cybersplice: I agree. Here I am talking about the exadecimal passphrase needed to restore the keys in the encrypted home case. Actually, without the login passphrase, I guess a cracker would be still out there in cold
[10:50] <GobiTheGoblin> luca: When I got used to it, I never looked back =)
[10:50] <luca> GobiTheGoblin: :)
[10:51] <cybersplice> luca, given a user who is not an idiot, WDE makes local data security pretty much irrelevant.
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> so using all spaces makes it impossible to bruteforce
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:51] <diverse_izzue> when i suspend my laptop by closing the lid it falls asleep again right after waking up. when i thereafter wake it up with the power button, it stays up. known bug?
[10:51] <cybersplice> In using dropbox / ubuntu one, etc, i tend to GPG the files i upload, so again, cracking is largely irrelevant.
[10:51] <cybersplice> Dr_Willis, Totally. Throw in a fullstop somewhere and you're golden.
[10:52] <luca> cybersplice: ok now I am doing my backups, question, could have performed the "ecryptfs-add-passphrase" solved my problem?
[10:52] <cybersplice> luca, why not check your /var/log/messages to see if there was a kernel fault.
[10:52] <luca> by the way: being able to access the data from the live MUST be made more user-friendly, not easier, more user-friendly
[10:52] <luca> cybersplice: -.-'
[10:52] <luca> sometimes I am an imbecile
[10:53] <icesmurf> howdy.
[10:53] <icesmurf> anyone here familiar with the dell-laptop package?
[10:53] <icesmurf> er kernel module i mean :)
[10:53] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: I have similar issues
[10:54] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: though, don't know about bug report tough
[10:54] <cybersplice> luca, i'm always an imbecile.
[10:54] <diverse_izzue> GobiTheGoblin, you haven't reported it?
[10:54] <cybersplice> icesmurf, i'm on a dell laptop and i've never used it. :D
[10:54] <dupondje> somebody here can test something in Thunderbird? I have enabled that when I mark a message as SPAM, it gets moved to Junk folder, but when I mark a mail as spam, it just gets marked and not moved ...
[10:54] <luca> cybersplice: ;) ok, going through it
[10:55] <diverse_izzue> GobiTheGoblin, are your issues similar or the same?
[10:55] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: no
[10:55] <luca> cybersplice: this is odd! no more log messages after I did the reboot from which all this mess started
[10:56] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: well, If I unplug this from power cord, when as sleeps, it wakes up and then starts to hibernate
[10:56] <luca> cybersplice: not even this morning, when the grub had been fixed
[10:56] <GobiTheGoblin> diverse_izzue: so not the same...  similar
[10:56] <cybersplice> luca, tail /var/log/kern.log
[10:56] <GobiTheGoblin> *when it is asleep
[10:57] <cybersplice> luca, the keys are obviously present, this has to be a kernel / config error.
[10:57] <icesmurf> cyber: yeah me to , and it's blocking network manager from being able to see the wireless devices.
[10:57] <luca> cybersplice: I am looking at the end of that file, and I tell you, no more messages there since yesterday night, before the chaos ensued
[10:57] <icesmurf> i think it's bugged, or exposing a bug in the dell bios.
[10:57] <cybersplice> luca, you're looking at kern.log?
[10:57] <cybersplice> huh.
[10:58] <cybersplice> how bizzare.
[10:58] <luca> cybersplice: I have upgraded the kernel today, from chroot, and run update-grub with sudo having logged in
[10:58] <luca> cybersplice: could that have solved it? and yeah, it IS bizzarre :_/
[10:58] <luca> :-/
[10:58] <cybersplice> luca, it's possible, yes
[10:58] <cybersplice> why not give it a try?
[10:58] <luca> cybersplice: after the backup :)
[10:59] <cybersplice> luca, ahaha, ofc.
[11:02] <cybersplice> luca, try this if it doesn't work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto8
[11:02] <cybersplice> check the grub config against that one
[11:02] <cybersplice> depending on wether you have grub2 or grub
[11:02] <cybersplice> I have to go for a while, but will be back later.
[11:04] <luca> cybersplice: thanks! however, the fstab here is quite different from the one which was installed on the system, just to say. Will have a look :)
[11:09] <nysosym> hi there
[11:09] <nysosym> i have a problem with xkb
[11:10] <nysosym> http://www.pastebin.org/42293
[11:10] <nysosym> any idea how to solve this?
[11:31] <Cynthia> Aw, with yesterday's updates we have to enter our password to check for updates again :(
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> the updates need tobe updated ;)
[11:32] <theallan> Hello all - having an issue installing libavcodec52 on Karmic - it says that it depends on libdirac-encoder0, but that is not installable - any idea where I mgiht find libdirac-encoder0?
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> update/upgrade/dist-upgrade  try again perhaps?
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> !find libdirac
[11:33] <Cynthia> theallan: apt-get update && apt-get install libdirac-encoder0
[11:33] <Cynthia> this will either fix the dependency problem which is not in the repository anymore, OR tell you what the dependency problem is
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> its allready installed here.
[11:34] <theallan> It says "Package libdirac-encoder9 has no installation candidate"
[11:35] <nysosym> hi there, its impossible to click on buttons in flash apps...
[11:35] <theallan> but has been refered to by another package... (presumable libavcodec52)
[11:35] <nysosym> any fix
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> flash is getting to be the #1 problem in linux it seems
[11:37] <theallan> Cynthia: Dr_Willis: I've actually just found the encoder library in /usr/lib/libdirac_encoder*, however this doesn't seem to be getting picked up by the package installer
[11:38] <Cynthia> nysosym: are you using the 32-bit non-free Flash on 64-bit, or the free Flash (Gnash) on any architecture?
[11:39] <nysosym> 32bit non flash on 64bit
[11:39] <nysosym> free
[11:39] <Cynthia> use the 64-bit Flash from Adobe Labs
[11:39] <Cynthia> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> nysosym:  got an example url to show the problem?
[11:40] <nysosym> http://www.incredibox.fr/
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> ive not noticed the issue hwere on 32bit flash on 64bit system *i think*
[11:40] <nysosym> and youtube videos
[11:40] <Cynthia> nysosym: and then copy the extracted file to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (as root or sudo) OR into /home/youruser/.mozilla/plugins
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG0APKeWjIA&feature=popular   works here
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> unless you got a more specifi url with the issue
[11:42] <theallan> Cynthia: Dr_Willis: I do apologise! I types the update command wrong :-( After doing that the installed ackages must have been synced and it works great now!
[11:42] <theallan> thanks very much for the help
[11:42] <Cynthia> theallan: you're welcome, and no worries :)
[11:43] <nysosym> Cynthia, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG78FXhdig0&feature=popular
[11:45] <Cynthia> nysosym: I'm a bit of a lost cause, since I have the 64-bit Flash from Adobe
[11:46] <Cynthia> But I know what you mean; the 32-bit one would have seemingly ignored mouse events
[11:46] <ltspadmin> hi i install ubuntu 9.10 with amd64bit ltsp server
[11:46] <ltspadmin> evolution 2.22 version is faster then 2.26 ?
[11:47] <bullgard4> [GNOME] MultiMedia System > Audio > Default Input > Plugin:=PulsAudio soundserver > Device:=Default > Test does not produce a test sound. snd_usb_audio is loaded. How to troubleshoot?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> nysosym:  that url also works here.   i can play/pause/click on the spam links
[11:48] <Cynthia> bullgard4: Input tests don't really produce sounds, I think. You should try an Output test instead.
[11:48] <rockrat> hello
[11:49] <Cynthia> bullgard4: Or is your USB audio device a microphone? :)
[11:49] <luca> hi again; same problem, cannot boot
[11:50] <bullgard4> Cynthia: I wanted to test the microphone of my newly bought webcam.
[11:50] <mo0nykit> How do I get a list of loadable modules? modinfo? modprobe?
[11:50] <luca> the boot stops, either during normal boot OR recovery mode, at the "cryptswap1 started" step
[11:50] <bullgard4> mo0nykit: lsmod
[11:50] <Cynthia> mo0nykit: modprobe -l (lower case L)
[11:51] <bullgard4> mo0nykit: lsmod will give you a list of loaded modules, rather.
[11:51] <Cynthia> bullgard4/microphone: ok. Are you trying it in Sound Preferences or a sound recorder?
[11:52] <nysosym> hmmm the 64bit flash version doesnt work
[11:52] <mo0nykit> thanks.. But how about *loadable* modules?
[11:52] <nysosym> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:52] <Cynthia> mo0nykit: modprobe -l (lower case L)
[11:53] <rockrat> when i change theme, borders change, icons change but control doesn't change. its always set to Raleigh. plz help
[11:53] <bullgard4> Cynthia: I am trying it in the new program "Multimedia System". This can be run by the command gstreamer-properties.
[11:53] <Cynthia> actually I should say modprobe -l | less, or modprobe -l > modules.txt, because the list is long :)
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> rockrat:  i had a odd quirk where somthing crashed so they dident change.. but once i logged out/back in they did.
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> rockrat:  i think some gnome-setting-deamon/servce crashed.. and the logout restarted it
[11:54] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: i restarted twice but it stays same
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> That is odd.
[11:54] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: i also killall gnome-panel but no help
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> Try a new user  - see if it affects them also - as a test
[11:54] <mo0nykit> Cynthia, thanks. for example if I want to load soundcore.ko, I'll say "sudo modprobe soundcore" ?
[11:54] <Cynthia> mo0nykit: yes
[11:55] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: how can i trace gnome-settings-daemon/service ? /var/log ?
[11:55] <mo0nykit> Cynthia, thanks!
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> rockrat:  not sure - i dident look into it very much - since its working now for me
[11:55] <Cynthia> bullgard4: if you speak in the microphone while gstreamer-properties is testing, does it come out of your speakers?
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> just had that problem once
[11:56] <Cynthia> bullgard4: and have you tried gnome-sound-recorder, or just gstreamer-properties?
[11:56] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: hmm. well it ain't for me though
[11:56] <rockrat> Dr_Willis: which log file associated with gnome settings
[11:57] <bullgard4> Cynthia: No. There is (acoustical) feedback and thus howling. I am not sure if this test tests the laptop's internal microphone.
[11:57] <nysosym> Cynthia, the 64bit version of flash doesnt solve the problem
[11:57] <bullgard4> Cynthia: No, Because the video test works all right via this program.
[11:59] <Cynthia> bullgard4: change the input device in gnome sound preferences (system/preferences) if you have two microphones, this will ensure you have the right device in gstreamer-properties (or, heck, it may be that the default sound device in gstreamer-properties doesn't affect non-GStreamer apps)
[11:59] <bullgard4> Cynthia: I have just verified that it tests the computer' internal microphone.
[11:59] <bullgard4> s/computer'/computer's/
[11:59] <Cynthia> nysosym: it fixed it rather well here, I'm not sure what problem you have
[12:00] <nysosym> is a restart necessary?
[12:00] <Cynthia> nysosym: ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ~/.mozilla/plugins (end of command) and check that libflashplayer.so is there, not the .tar.gz if applicable
[12:01] <Cynthia> you should only need to restart Firefox for the new plugin to be loaded
[12:02] <nysosym> jep libflashplayer.so is there
[12:02] <Cynthia> just to make sure, uninstall whatever 32-bit flash plugin you had before as well
[12:02] <nysosym> but its green in my terminal
[12:03] <bullgard4> Cynthia: In alsa-mixer I changed <Mic Sel> from Mic1 to Mic2. Then the test does not produce any sound even if I knock onto the webcam.
[12:03] <Cynthia> i.e. apt-get purge flashplayer-installer, or any other 'reversing' command
[12:04] <Cynthia> bullgard4: then perhaps the device is unsupported in Karmic, unfortunately, but I'm in no position to make this claim a valid one; check on the Ubuntu Forums to see if anyone else has problems with webcam mics
[12:04] <nysosym> removing the installer works :)
[12:04] <nysosym> thx
[12:04] <Cynthia> nysosym: you've restarted Firefox after uninstalling as well? and the clicks work now?
[12:05] <nysosym> jep :)
[12:05] <Cynthia> nysosym: cool :)
[12:05] <bullgard4> Cynthia: I will check that. It is a bit difficult to select the right "Karmic' hits.
[12:06] <Cynthia> bullgard4: yes, lots of things are for older versions of Ubuntu on the forums, due to them being big archives of threads
[12:06] <Cynthia> including the word 'karmic' in searches is sure to improve upon that a bit
[12:07] <nysosym> Cynthia, if you now have a solution for my xkb problem, im going to love you :D
[12:08] <nysosym> http://www.pastebin.org/42293
[12:08] <Cynthia> nysosym: I may, or I may not, ask your question in here and anyone knowing a solution can help you
[12:09] <nysosym> i wanne change my keyboard layout und get the message
[12:10] <Cynthia> nysosym: gnome, kde or xfce?
[12:10] <Cynthia> (or plain X)
[12:10] <nysosym> gome
[12:10] <nysosym> gnome
[12:10] <nysosym> on a macbook
[12:10] <Cynthia> have you tried this in System/Preferences/Keyboard first?
[12:10] <bullgard4> Cynthia: What I was going to explain was this: I had done searching and included the catchword "karmic". But most of the many hits brought about websites with 'Ubuntu Karmic' not related to my problem at hand. --  I will continue snooping.  --  Thank you for your encouragement.
[12:10] <Cynthia> bullgard4: Ah, I see. Good luck on your search :)
[12:13] <nysosym> Cynthia, sure i have changed my keyboard layout in System>Preferences>Keyboard
[12:14] <Cynthia> nysosym: I can see what keyboard layout you're trying to use in that Pastebin post, but I don't see how that sequence of layouts is an error; you should seek support in X.org's bug tracker, mailing list or #xorg here
[12:15] <Cynthia> I suggest #xorg first
[12:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> Cynthia, are you from Canonical?
[12:22] <Cynthia> NinjaPlimsolls: no
[12:22] <Cynthia> I'm just someone who's testing the Karmic pre-releases from Alpha 5 onwards :P
[12:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> you're very efficient :)
[12:25] <Cynthia> if I was from Canonical, my host would probably look like @ubuntu/developer/cynthia
[12:28] <Cynthia> oh hey, updates brought out a Restart Required dialog, but it was unfocused so I never saw it
[12:31] <Cynthia> yet another unannounced change in humanity-icon-theme, but I don't mind those
[12:34] <luca> help please - is there a way to troubleshoot a hanging boot problem, with no messages printed into kern.log? :(
[12:34] <luca> I am blocked out of my own computer :(
[12:35] <madm1ke> dont u see any messages at boot time?
[12:36] <Cynthia> most of the time, kernel problems at boot require a photo of the screen
[12:36] <oldude67> is empathy in repos close to being up to date?
[12:37] <Cynthia> if you're using GRUB2, which you are because you're using Karmic, you hold Shift at boot time to get into GRUB2's menu, then you edit the first boot entry to remove the word 'quiet', then you press Ctrl+X and take a picture of the last text that appears
[12:37] <Cynthia> luca: ^
[12:38] <luca> Cynthia: seems a sound advice
[12:38] <Cynthia> also remove the word 'splash' maybe
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> i recall there also being a 'verbose' option you could add at one time..
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> but that may talk Too much
[12:39] <luca> Cynthia: in any case, I can tell you that the last words that appear while trying a recovery mode boot are "error inserting pad_shamlock (i'll have to google to get the exact wording, sorry)" and cryptswap1 started, then stopping there
[12:39] <Cynthia> pam_ probably
[12:39] <Cynthia> it's for authentication
[12:40] <madm1ke> padlock-sha maybe?
[12:40] <madm1ke> isnt this some optional via crypto device?
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I would really like it if this HuluDesktop thing dident start playing a video of their chooseing automatically.. execially when its a video of people throwing up...
[12:41] <oldude67> Dr_Willis, ewe..lol
[12:41] <Cynthia> Dr_Willis: o_O too much information
[12:41] <luca> madm1ke: yes!
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> Yep.. i thought so also.. some  show called the 'office' or somthing
[12:42] <madm1ke> luca: you shouldnt be worried about this message
[12:43] <luca> madm1ke: ok, then, the problem is probably elsewhere I guess :-/
[12:46] <madm1ke> luca: are you booting with "nosplash" and "noquiet" ?
[12:46] <luca> checking
[12:46] <luca> madm1ke: I was looking a bit in Internet for some other clue
[12:47] <madm1ke> you might want to try that and see if it reveals some more information
[12:47] <mrberlf> hello
[12:47] <mrberlf> is there a way to manage kaffeine with dbus?
[12:47] <luca> madm1ke: wait, with grub-pc, what is the right config file to check and modify?
[12:47] <mrberlf> i have installed the new kubuntu karmic and there is the new kaffeine pre2
[12:47] <mrberlf> but it lacks many features...d.bus, dvb channels grouping. is there a way to get the old kaffeine 0.8 instead
[12:47] <blueyed> xmodmap appears to be broken with regard to exchanging pointer button 2 and 9 in my case.. With "pointer = 1 9 2 4 5 6 7 3 8" the physical buttons 2 and 3 are both mapped to 9..  "Emulate3Buttons" "False" is explicitly off in xorg.conf.
[12:48] <mrberlf> please re-include the old kaffeine 0.8 in karmic untill they finish developing the new one...
[12:49] <madm1ke> mrberlf: you could try getting the kaffeine-package for jaunty from packages.ubuntu.com and install it instead.
[12:49] <mrberlf> i could try this but i thing i will get many brocken dependencies
[12:49] <madm1ke> mrberlf: this is probably the wrong place to mention this. try to tell the kaffeine package maintainers your opinion
[12:49] <madm1ke> mrberlf: well, maybe :)
[12:50] <mrberlf> i think this is the right place to say not to exclude the old kaffeine in karmic
[12:50] <dupondje> somebody here can test something in Thunderbird? I have enabled that when I mark a message as SPAM, it gets moved to Junk folder, but when I mark a mail as spam, it just gets marked and not moved ...
[12:50] <mrberlf> the new kaffeine is not yet ready to replace the old one
[12:51] <mrberlf> it misses many features
[12:51] <Raphi974> Hi
[12:53] <madm1ke> mrberlf: then maybe you could help -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine   :)
[12:55] <mrberlf> madm1ke: i think it is a big mistake to replace the "old" kaffeine in karmic as it lacks many features.
[12:55] <mrberlf> expecially d-bus support
[12:55] <madm1ke> mrberlf: dont tell me, i cant change that :)
[12:55] <mrberlf> who can?
[12:56] <Forza4Life> anyone know why karmic comes with fewer screensavers than jaunty did?
[12:56] <madm1ke> mrberlf: look at the launchpad page i posted
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> Forza4Life:  save disk space i would imagine
[12:57] <Forza4Life> it is just a little gripe
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> The cd is about as packed as it can get.  I can think of other things i would want removed.. :) and others added
[12:58] <mrberlf> ok bye
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> But i got a script wrote up that adds the stuff i want.
[12:58] <Forza4Life> karmic is working wonderfully for me so far...love it  just trying to iron it all out
[12:58] <mrberlf> i will go back to jaunty bye
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> mrberlf:  its a free country.. do what you want
[12:58] <nysosym> is there any configuration utility for the notification popup?
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> nysosym:  not that ive noticed/seen yet..
[12:59] <Forza4Life> apparently he thought he should get RIGHT NOW help.....irc dont work that way
[12:59] <Raphi974> I'm having issues with the screen luminosity. it flashes... non-stop... anyone can help me ?
[12:59] <nysosym> Dr_Willis, do you know one of the developers?
[12:59] <madm1ke> funny thing.. kaffeine 0.8 installed without a single dependency problem :/
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> nysosym:  nope.
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> madm1ke:  oh the humanity of it all!
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. HuluPlayer is now working decently well.. and Wow. I found a new Stargate Series.. Inever watch tv.. so id never heard abou tit. ;0
[13:01] <Forza4Life> hulu is nice
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> they are getting better at some of the VERY annoying things they did in the past.
[13:02] <nysosym> any karmic user with a macbook here?
[13:04] <Leftmost> Yep.
[13:04] <aprilhare> has anyone noticed bugs with firefox download? not able to display downloaded files through firefox? all files have unknown applications for opening? telling it to open upon download with any particular application causes download to fail?
[13:04] <Raphi974> I have issues with Totem when playing videos with subtitles... it simply doesn't play it.... and crashes. Anyone has the same problem ?
[13:04] <aprilhare> stuff like that? :)
[13:04] <Leftmost> nysosym, what's up?
[13:05] <aprilhare> its seriously a mess. the firefox search bar does not work here *at all*
[13:05] <nysosym> Leftmost, do you have a notification for changing the brightness of your monitor?
[13:05] <Leftmost> As in with notifyosd?
[13:05] <Skiessi> http://paste.servut.us/plain/1wvr
[13:05] <nysosym> Leftmost, yes
[13:05] <gunni> I updated my laptop from jaunty to karmic (changing sources list jaunty->karmic, dist-upgrade) now i cant boot  with the 2.6.31 kernel. The old kernel (2.6.28) boots in recovery, so i can access a terminal. The harddisk is encrypted, and with 2.6.26 i can enter the passphrase at boot, but in 2.6.31 i cannot. In 2.6.31 boot stops at "waiting for encrypted device" or something like this, and stays there. Any ideas?
[13:05] <Leftmost> Yeah, but that may be due to a small amount of customization I did.
[13:05] <Raphi974> Leftmost, you have the bug with the brightness too ?
[13:06] <Leftmost> Brightness works just fine for me.
[13:06] <Raphi974> the brightness of my netbook juste keep changing non-stop...
[13:06] <Raphi974> +1 , -1, +1, -1...
[13:06] <nysosym> Leftmost, brightness change works well, after installing pommed, but there is no notification
[13:06] <Raphi974> etc...
[13:06] <Leftmost> I'm not using pommed.
[13:07] <nysosym> what have you done?
[13:07] <Leftmost> I have a policy file somewhere. Let me dig it up.
[13:08] <topyli> fyi, you don't upgrade ubuntu with apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:08] <topyli> use 'update-manager -d' if you must install a beta
[13:11] <Leftmost> Hmm. The policy file is no longer installed, it seems. nysosym, do you have nvidia-bl-dkms installed?
[13:11] <Leftmost> May need the mactel-support PPA in your repositories list.
[13:11] <nysosym> i have no nvidia card, just gma 950
[13:12] <Leftmost> Ahh, older MacBook. That always worked out of the box for me.
[13:12] <paolob> Hi guys! epiphany-gecko is getting more and more broken: I had reverted to epiphany-gecko, but after this morning full-upgrade I found that it was automatically replaced buy epiphany-webkit. So I purged epiphany-webkit and reinstalled epiphany-gecko. Aptitude search tells me that epiphany-webkit is purged, but launching epiphany runs epiphany-webkit... any hint?
[13:12] <nysosym> hmm :
[13:12] <nysosym> :/
[13:13] <greg__> hi guys trying to isntall a package on my box - i run the install script and get /usr/src/linux: no such file or directory... i've apt-get installed linux-source and linux-headers....what am i doing wrong? gcc is installed as well?
[13:16] <Tarthen> something's wrong
[13:16] <Tarthen> everything works
[13:17] <Tarthen> o.o this isn't a beta xD
[13:17] <wirechief_> haha
[13:17] <Tarthen> wait, haven't updated yet
[13:17] <Tarthen> lets see what breaks :)
[13:17] <wirechief_> this is not ubuntu
[13:17] <oldude67> everything
[13:17] <Tarthen> xD
[13:18] <Tarthen> I honestly wonder what Karmic's regression will be
[13:19] <Tarthen> Hardy was sound, Jaunty was Intel
[13:19] <wirechief_> i think grub2
[13:19] <paolob> Tarthen, jaunty -> karmic has a regression in epiphany-gecko -> epiphany-webkit
[13:19] <oldude67> wirechief_, i havent had a problem with it.
[13:20] <Nafai> paolob: What's the regression there?
[13:20] <Tarthen> paolob: Who uses epiphany?
[13:20] <Tarthen> srsly
[13:20] <Tarthen> FF ftw
[13:20] <Nafai> Chromium :)
[13:20] <oldude67> opera
[13:20] <jorn> I'm trying to find some information about making windows vista Default in GRUB2, but I cannot find anything. Anyone who can help me?
[13:20] <paolob> see http://it.cathopedia.org/, a mediawiki site: the left bar is presented below the right one, no other browser presents it this way
[13:20] <Tarthen> jorn: Looked in grub.cfg?
[13:20] <Nafai> paolob: The regression being the ephiphany now uses webkit or is there some brokeness?
[13:20] <oldude67> !grub
[13:20] <wirechief_> i just updated my jaunty remix and it chokes now on grub2, i guess its time to move on, maybe karmic remix will work now ...
[13:21] <jorn> Tarthen : That file says I should not manually edit it..?
[13:21] <paolob> Nafai, if you want to use epiphany-gecko you find many oddities, the first is that you cannont change easily from webkit to gecko
[13:21] <Tarthen> jorn: *shrug* I do it. just be careful
[13:22] <Nafai> paolob: I didn't think that was a Ubuntu issue...epiphany upstream switched to webkit, did it not?
[13:22] <jorn> Tarthen : And run update-grub afterwords like before?
[13:22] <paolob> Nafai, yes, but it should let me the freedom to use gecko
[13:22] <oldude67> jorn yes
[13:23] <Nafai> paolob: So you want the upstream developers to support both?
[13:23] <jorn> oldude67 and tarthen : thanks :)
[13:23] <Nafai> This doesn't sound like a freedom issue, it sounds like a technical issue.
[13:23] <paolob> Nafai, since webkit has various problem, my answer is definitely yes
[13:23] <Nafai> And if you feel that page is rendered wrong, file a bug
[13:24] <wirechief_> is ubuntu moblin remix given support on unbuntu+1 channel ? if not where ?
[13:24] <drs305> jorn: Have you looked at these?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[13:25] <jorn> drs305 : THANK YOU soo much :)
[13:25] <oldude67> drs305, i went threw grub2's how to's the other day and got all my old settings to work where i can just switch to memtest and all from those pages.
[13:26] <drs305> oldude67: I'm posting on UF sometime today with ways to tweak the Grub2 displays. It's a post for the truly anal!
[13:27] <oldude67> drs305, well i had to do something cause it was booting so fast i couldnt even see it.
[13:28] <oldude67> and im on an old junk 2.4 celeron.
[13:28] <drs305> oldude67: Do you still see all the messages instead of it going straight to the splash screen?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: faster than anything ive got
[13:28] <bullgard4> '~$ ps | grep udevd' obtains 3 hits. But why does System > Administration > System Monitor does not list udevd?
[13:28] <carlosgaldino> somebody using xchat-gnome can tell me if the program closes by himself?
[13:28] <oldude67> it blipped grub2 and then straight to splash screen
[13:30] <drs305> oldude67: My boot was really fast back several months ago but now it's back up to 40 seconds or so. Don't know what's changed. And I get all the text as it boots, regardless of settings.
[13:31] <oldude67> drs305, i use to, but backed everything up and did a fresh install of the beta and no more text.
[13:31] <carlosgaldino> somebody can tell me if the have experienced problems with xchat-gnome?
[13:31] <carlosgaldino> somebody can tell me if they have experienced problems with xchat-gnome?
[13:31] <drs305> oldude67: Good to know. At some point I'll reinstall, but probably not til after the release.
[13:31] <oldude67> carlosgaldino, i dont use xchat-gnome..just xchat..no issues with it tho.
[13:32] <carlosgaldino> oldude67, and you use gnome?
[13:32] <ubuntu__> hi everyone
[13:32] <oldude67> carlosgaldino, oh no, i use lxde
[13:32] <Tronic> Is it still possible to get updates from Unstable?
[13:33] <wirechief_> drs305 good info on grub2 thanks.
[13:33] <Tronic> The mingw32 currently shipped (4.2) is seriously faulty and cannot compile any real-world C++ applications.
[13:33] <Tronic> Debian has 4.4, which according to Red Hat bug on the matter is fixed.
[13:33] <carlosgaldino> oldude67, ok, thanks
[13:33] <drs305> wirechief_:  :-)
[13:34] <luca___> my system is not able to boot, because it thinks it has to make a fsck, although no /forcefsck is actually present on the drive
[13:35] <oldude67> luca___, what happens when you let it do the fsck?
[13:35] <drs305> luca___: Are you also getting error messages about dates in the future
[13:35] <luca___> drs305: yeah
[13:35] <luca___> oldude67: it just hangs without actually starting the fsck
[13:36] <luca___> oldude67: I am performing the check right now from the live
[13:36] <luca___> options -p -c
[13:36] <oldude67> drs305, isnt there an update for that that fixes that issue?
[13:37] <luca___> hmmm oldude67 maybe it was not hanging but just performing the check, Bug #446596
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> luca___: could boot to liveCD and fsck the drive yourself
[13:37] <drs305> oldude67: I thought so. I had the problem and dealt with it before the fix. I know some users just turned off their machines/left Karmic until the time error was past (i.e. if it was 6 hours ahead, booted 7 hours later).
[13:38] <luca___> ActionParsnip: that's what I am doing
[13:38] <drs305> In my case, multiple fscks didn't solve it because the time error kept coming back.
[13:39] <oldude67> think i had that issue with alpha 5
[13:39] <drs305> oldude67: +1
[13:40] <vox> hi, im trying to install karmic, but the desktop iso just dumps me to an initramfs screen. Any thoughts?
[13:41] <wirechief_> vox what is the date of the .iso your useing to install karmic ?
[13:41] <luca___> drs395: how did you solve then?
[13:41] <vox> 2009/09/30
[13:42] <wirechief_> hmm kinda old
[13:42] <wirechief_> vox i think i would try a more recent release to see if it continues.
[13:42] <oldude67> vox, what video card are you using?
[13:42] <wirechief_> you could use zsync to update the .iso and save bandwidth
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> is the fsck message saying somthing about 'fsck date set to future - fsck forced' ?
[13:43] <drs305> luca___: I was afraid you would ask because I can't be sure.  ;-)   One one machine I just stayed out of Karmic until after the time difference had passed.
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> If its mentioning the date/time.. go to the bios screen set the clock ahead 1 day.. and reboot
[13:43] <vox> oldude67: nvidia 9600gt
[13:43] <oldude67> i think i set my bios clock ahead.
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> or 2 days....   then update/upgrade
[13:43] <vox> nv4 chipset
[13:44] <luca___> drs305: would sound like an option, had I not kept the computer completely shut off tonight :(
[13:44] <vox> nothing outragious
[13:44] <oldude67> vox, you may want to use the alternate cd.
[13:44] <luca___> Dr_Willis: yes it is
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> I had a similer issue a few weeks ago.
[13:44] <oldude67> Dr_Willis, i did the same thing
[13:44] <luca___> Dr_Willis it is saying precisely fsck forced, and then errors because it can't remove a non-existent /forcefsck
[13:45] <drs305> luca___: I think on my other machine with Karmic I did as the others said and changed my system time. But I was a bit concerned of messing up all my file times.
[13:45] <wirechief_> vox check this url out if you want to try zsync  :   http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/10/downloading-ubuntu-910-beta-with-zsync.html
[13:45] <eagles0513875> hey oldude67
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> there is nothing wrong with the fileysstem - other then the date   of its 'last fscked' which is set to  the UTC, or local, which confuses it..
[13:45] <oldude67> hey eagles0513875
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> Try setting date ahead a few days see if it works
[13:45] <vox> wirechief_: ah it's cool, bandwidth isnt really an issue :)
[13:46] <wirechief_> vox ok...your lucky...with satelite i have FaP issues and that worked great for me.
[13:46] <luca___> at least I solved my problems with the encrypted partitions
[13:46] <luca___> by the way, is there any way to go back from an encrypted home/swap? I'd like to revert to non-encrypted, if possibile
[13:46] <drs305> luca___: I said I was a bit concerned but changing the system time/date didn't seem to mess anything up.
[13:46] <luca___> (missing hibernate :( )
[13:47] <luca___> drs305: ok thanks :)
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> you set the date in the bios...but then the system/ntp stuff checks it from the internet services.. and sets it back after you boot
[13:48] <luca___> Dr_Willis: will try it if the fsck does not function, thanks
[13:48] <abhinav> hi .. suspend/hibernate are not working on some systems with karmic - I get an nvidia error
[13:51] <eagles0513875> abhinav: alot of people have been having issues with nvidia today
[13:53] <luca___> eagles051385: what a nice news to hear :-/
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> last 2 days here
[13:54] <Tarthen> o.o
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> but thats juss the console goofing up
[13:54] <Tarthen> Nvidia error?
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> X is working
[13:54] <Tarthen> ohshi
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> video glitxs in the consoles
[13:54] <Tarthen> my console works o.o
[13:56] <alexbh> Hi, I want to know if this touchscreen will be supported in 9.10: HP Pavilion tx 2510.... can somebody help me? thanks..
[13:56] <legend2440> after usplash 540 to 541 update my F1-F6 tty's have no login prompt. i have nvidia card. i had to remove word "splash" in /etc/default/grub to get it to work again. is there a bug report about this?
[13:57] <Tarthen> Thank god I never restart x.x
[13:59] <amx109> hi. just upgraded karmic. was working fine, but the update i just did has left X in a non working state
[13:59] <amx109> is there a known bug or a list of known issues i can look at?
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> legend2440:  ive been hearing about others with similer issues
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> legend2440:  i also have a similer issue
[14:00] <abhinav> eagles0513875: there are a few bugs on similar issues, but not sure if anyone is takng a look
[14:01] <wirechief_> amx109 what graphics card are you using with this new update ?
[14:01] <legend2440> Dr_Willis: seems to only affect nvidia
[14:01] <amx109> wirechief_, ati 4850
[14:01] <wirechief_> are you using vesa or ATi proprietary ?
[14:01] <Dr_Willis> I have graphic jibberish all over my  consoles
[14:01] <eagles0513875> abhinav: would ask in ubuntu-x same with u amx109 they might be able to help u out more with any nvidia or x issues
[14:02] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: you ask in ubunu-x
[14:02] <amx109> wirechief_, ive just realised, aptitude is showing outstanding updates but wasnt letting me update. am using apt-get to update instead
[14:02] <amx109> ty eagles0513875
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  not yet. Been doing other things.
[14:02] <amx109> wirechief_, im hoping these updates will resolve my problem
[14:03] <wirechief_> amx109 well if not you may have to reconfigure X
[14:03] <legend2440> Dr_Willis: yes i had what i can only describe as blue Chinese letters in tty 1-6  and no login prompt
[14:03] <alexbh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HP2510p
[14:03] <alexbh> sorry, :)
[14:03] <abhinav> eagles0513875: thanks. Filed 415211 in case anyone wants to take a look
[14:03] <amx109> wirechief_, im using ati proprietary i beleive. i thought X configured itself these days?
[14:04] <Koterpillar> How often does Karmic look for updates by default? And how often does it present the update dialog then?
[14:04] <eagles0513875> anyone wiht nvidia issues should try removing the driver and going back ot the out of the box nv driver
[14:04] <eagles0513875> thats what im using and im not having any issues with it
[14:04] <wirechief_> amx109 well maybe its suppose to, i have had to reconfigure a few times lately.
[14:04] <test34> eagles0513875, but you are missing hardware acceleration with the nv driver
[14:04] <eagles0513875> test34: maybe so but im using it just for development of mozilla extensions
[14:05] <amx109> wirechief_, did you reconfigure via a command or by modifying the X config file?
[14:05] <eagles0513875> im apprehensive in all honesty to try and install the nvidia driver
[14:05] <wirechief_> amx109 i used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:05] <amx109> wirechief_, thanks
[14:05] <legend2440> Koterpillar: mine hasnt popped up yet, and there have been many updates available. i've been checking manually
[14:06] <wirechief_> amx109 however they keep making changes in that area and there might be a better method but im not aware of it ...
[14:07] <wirechief_> amx109 my host is powered by debian but runs a ubuntu kernels so its  basically ubuntu on steroids ;)
[14:08] <amx109> wirechief_, hah, thats a hybrid and a half
[14:09] <wirechief_> amx109 hehe yep but i do have more than one machine and i test karmic mostly now so sometimes i get confused when they change the process.
[14:09] <amx109> wirechief_, any particular reason for having that setip?
[14:09] <amx109> wirechief_, setup*
[14:09] <wirechief_> amx109 i experiement a lot but like to have a stable system so thats why i do it.
[14:09] <ubox> anyone know that status of the resume from suspend bug, where the screen is the only thing that doesn't come back after
[14:11] <wirechief_> ubox they have been fighting that issue for a very long time, its probably going into round 175 now.
[14:11] <ubox> lol
[14:11]  * wirechief_ doesnt use suspend anymore, karmic boots so fast i dont need it.
[14:12] <Tarthen> How fast is the startup now?
[14:12] <Tarthen> Better than the 1:20 a week ago?
[14:12] <ubox> mine goes from grub to login in about 10 sec
[14:12] <ubox> turion 64b x2
[14:12] <amx109> ubox wow!
[14:12] <Tarthen> o.o
[14:12] <ubox> then another ten to desktop
[14:12] <Tarthen> holy hell
[14:12] <ubox> maybe 15 the 2nd
[14:13] <Tarthen> my Intel Q6600 @ 2.4ghz took 1:20 last time
[14:13] <walmis> ubox: SSD?
[14:13] <ubox> ?
[14:13] <Tarthen> like, 2 days ago
[14:13] <wirechief_> Tarthen sounds like its dragging a anchor
[14:13] <walmis> ubox: is it a solid state drive?
[14:13] <Tarthen> wirechief_: No idea what it could be
[14:13] <ubox> oh, i'm not sure. only 5400rpm though
[14:14] <ubox> an hp dv6404ca
[14:14] <Tarthen> wirechief_: /home/ is even on a different drive o.o
[14:14] <walmis> ubox: ah, it's a regular HDD
[14:14] <IdleOne> my jaunty goes from grub to desktop in 25-26 seconds
[14:14] <milaz> Dr_Willis: do you use it on nvidia card?
[14:14] <wirechief_> Tarthen maybe your tryiing to detect disconnected usb devices
[14:14] <Tarthen> Jaunty on my machine = 17 sec
[14:14] <milaz> Dr_Willis: I have gibberish on consoles on nvidia. And on intel they work ok.
[14:14] <Tarthen> Karmic 3 days ago = 1:20
[14:15] <ubox> this resume is gonna drive me crazy, even the wifi reconnects. the little light comes on blua again
[14:15] <IdleOne> Tarthen: I am not complaining used to take me over a minute
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> 8800gtsxxx video here
[14:15] <abhinav> anyone got eclipse 3.4.2 working with karmic ?
[14:15] <eagles0513875> hey guys im trying to remix my own distro using karmic as my basis how can i rebrand it instead of using  the karmic debootstrap use debootstrap with my own naming convention for what im developing
[14:15] <Tarthen> IdleOne: But the difference is so big
[14:15] <eagles0513875> abhinav: havent tried
[14:15] <ubox> lol when i first got this laptop it had vista and i'm pretty sure it took close to two minutes to stop loading completely
[14:15] <ikonia> eagles0513875: hasn't this been discussed to death with you
[14:15] <milaz> Dr_Willis: and proprietary dirivers are not enabled, right
[14:16] <eagles0513875> ikonia: ?
[14:16] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you've tried all this nonsense before, "making your own distro" rubbish -
[14:16] <IdleOne> Tarthen: with each release the boot time has been improving. not sure if it's ubuntu or my hardware that is getting better but I am not complaining.
[14:16] <eagles0513875> well this time im flipping serious about it
[14:16] <abhinav> after the splash screen there is a blank dialog box and the following error in workspace/.metadata/log : java.lang.RuntimeException: Widget disposed too early!
[14:16] <ikonia> eagles0513875: yeah yeah, we've heard it all a million times
[14:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: karmic is in beta so basing a remix of it (a pointless remix might I add) is a waste of time, more so when this is documented all over the wiki
[14:17] <ubox> and ubuntu should make their own desktop env as well
[14:17] <amx109> wirechief_, bums, the upgrade didnt work. i get the white ubuntu symbol on loadup, but then gibberish across the middle of the screen. im assuming X is broke
[14:17] <IdleOne> ubox: why? there are plenty of desktop enviroments out there that can be used
[14:18] <wirechief_> amx109 sounds like it does need to be tweaked.
[14:18] <wirechief_> amx109 usually its the kernel, can you try booting to the previous one ?
[14:18] <ubox> idleone: it was a joke, like another distro
[14:18] <IdleOne> ubox: oh hehe.
[14:19] <ubox> lol :)
[14:20] <IdleOne> I found a HDD with Win98 on it yesterday
[14:20] <IdleOne> forgot how perty it was
[14:21]  * abhinav got eclipse working by following workaround at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=920649&page=2
[14:22] <ubox> time for lame work, later everyone
[14:23] <Tarthen> IdleOne: "Perty"?
[14:23] <Tarthen> IdleOne: Moar like blocky
[14:24] <amx109> wirechief_, i ran the reconfigure commmand. 2.6.31-13 doesnt work. nor does 2.6.31-12, but 2.6.31-11 drops me to a terminal login (still no X)
[14:24] <IdleOne> Tarthen: it was a surprise when I plugged it in and it booted to win98.
[14:24] <Tarthen> IdleOne: Bet hardware support was an issue :D
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  then infected the rest of the lan with a 8 yr old virus
[14:24] <IdleOne> also found some old baby pictures of my son on it :)
[14:24] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: kept it of the lan lol
[14:25] <imme> Hey, how can I login to rothera ?
[14:25] <ikonia> imme: rothera ?
[14:25] <Tarthen> IdleOne: Bet the ethernet didn't work anyway, lol
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> Dident godzilla fight Rothera once?
[14:25] <wirechief_> amx109 well you would of had to left x alone and tried the older kernel, but now you have reconfigured it so that trick could only be tried by putting the backup in.
[14:26] <IdleOne> Tarthen: honestly don't know I did'nt try to get it online
[14:26] <imme> Something didn't go well with creating a startup-disk, so now I get into boot: prompt at the start, I type /casper/vmlinuz there, then ubuntu loads unto gdm, it says rothera(probably the build of this ubuntu version or something like that...)
[14:26] <imme> then I don't know what to type to get in.
[14:26] <wirechief_> amx109 hopefully you made a backup of your xorg.conf ;)
[14:26] <amx109> wirechief_, i had tried previous kernels before i did the reconfigure trick - its how i managed to correctly upgrade via apt-get. same thing -13 and -12 i get nothing, -11 i get a terminal
[14:27] <imme> Creating my startup-disk did not fully complete, gave me an input/output error, tried three times, after third time, just tried rebooting, no booted with boor: /casper/vmlinuz single ... :P
[14:27] <wirechief_> amx109 so you are only getting a terminal after you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , now ?
[14:28] <amx109> wirechief_, yes, and only for -11 though i think it tries to initialise X (lots of furious screen blinking)
[14:29] <amx109> wirechief_, i just got a terminal for -13 by going via recovery, then selecting 'resume boot'
[14:29] <wirechief_> amx109 are you rebooting after this change or just going from a terminal back to the desktop
[14:29] <milaz> imme: what kind of startup disk do you use?
[14:29] <fortytwo> Hi, I could use some help with my Karmic Koala install: evidently a mysterious process is hogging plenty of resources - any quick pointers to a fix?
[14:29] <imme> milaz: usb of 4gb ...
[14:29] <milaz> fortytwo: it's Xorg probably
[14:30] <fortytwo> I'm even clueless on what kind of info would be useful to post here - the mouse cursor permanently blinks like crazy, and...
[14:30] <milaz> fortytwo: switch to "show all processes" in system monitor
[14:30] <fortytwo> @milaz: Hmm, indeed, quick googling showed Xorg to be a common culprit, but that doesn't seem the case here.
[14:30] <amx109> wirechief_, rebooting
[14:31] <fortytwo> @milaz: I see - let me try that. When I just stare at the default view, there's a process with no name, or description, that keeps coming and going,
[14:31] <fortytwo> and it's ordered by highest CPU usage, and this mystery process turns up close to the top every time it does choose to appear. :(
[14:31] <milaz> fortytwo: I had this once, logging out and in helped
[14:32] <fortytwo> @milaz - I even tried a restart, surprisingly, same blinking cursor.
[14:32] <milaz> fortytwo: although I don't know whether it was Xorg or something another, I was not able to reproduce it in this exact way
[14:32] <wirechief_> amx109 hmm, perhaps when you did your upgrade something got smucked and is messing with your x system (its sure sounding like that)
[14:32] <fortytwo> CPU usage about 50% (even) when nothing is running.
[14:32] <fortytwo> @milaz: Ah, interesting...
[14:32] <milaz> imme: maybe you should check your usb key, and try to reformat it
[14:33] <amx109> wirechief_, yeah. im d/l'ing the beta (had upgraded from 9.04) and intend to reinstall it
[14:33] <fortytwo> @milaz: The issue seems so strange that I'm not even sure what to include in a bug report if I were to file it.
[14:33] <milaz> fortytwo: exactly the same situation I ran into
[14:33] <imme> milaz: So there's no way to login to the rothera build ?
[14:33] <amx109> wirechief_, im not sure if dpkg-reconfigure worked. the xorg.conf file has a timestamp from 8 days ago..
[14:33] <imme> I tried ubuntu:ubuntu , but that didn't do the trick. :(
[14:34] <milaz> imme: I even don't know what's rothera. Look like some broken log-in
[14:34] <fortytwo> And I really don't want to downgrade now... I'm completely sold on this version of ubuntu! Baawaah. And I want to really avoid reinstalling as I *just* finished installing the sixty-odd apps that I usually use. Phew!
[14:34] <imme> fortytwo: Does top -n1 not give any more information about the proces either ?
[14:34] <wirechief_> amx109 doing a upgrade while in the X system is risky, however they have made some big strides in doing it with the upgrade manager but stuff does happen
[14:34] <milaz> imme: ubuntu user has empty password
[14:34] <imme> milaz: Okay, then I'll try that next time .
[14:35] <imme> milaz: I think rothera is the name of the build.
[14:35] <amx109> wirechief_, ah
[14:35] <wirechief_> amx109 i have resisted, I do my upgrades in init 3 to avoid problems (even though I shouldnt have to do that)
[14:35] <amx109> wirechief_, i saw that xerver-xorg-core was being upgraded when i did an apt-get upgrade via terminal in gnome..
[14:35] <milaz> fortytwo: try killing X, and then dist-upgrading from the console
[14:36] <wirechief_> amx109 yep, thats one that could muck you up good, not sure if uninstalling and reinstalling it would help.
[14:36] <fortytwo> @imme - Here you go: pastebin.com/m19a0df9c (I don't think the mystery process is showing up here.)
[14:36] <wirechief_> amx109 but if you do try it, make sure you do it in init 3
[14:36] <fortytwo> @milaz: Gulp. Okay, noted... I'll try that if some fiddling around doesn't help. I am considering running update-manager.
[14:37] <amx109> wirechief_, ok, thanks
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> Im still having issues with usb flash drives not gettting auto mounted.. Grr...
[14:38] <wirechief_> amx109 its kinda primative because they built so many safe guards so we dont need to do that but sometimes like you have found it reaches out and bites.
[14:39] <wirechief_> amx109 you realize that while in the terminal you need to killall gdm before going into init 3
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> or 'sudo service gdm stop'
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure killall is the proper way these days
[14:39] <arielCo> Hello everyone: a Karmic upgrade installed "linux-image-2.6.31-12-generic" of its own accord, but it's not working right so I want to remove it. "aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.31-12-generic" also wants to remove a whole lot of libraries and fonts, plus g++. Should I let it?
[14:40] <wirechief_> Dr_Willis: ok good, they are always changing things
[14:40] <amx109> wirechief_, err how do i start/stop gdm now that im not able to do it via /etc/init.d/gdm stop|start
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> wirechief_:  actually thats been the proper way for ages I think. :)
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> amx109:  i just said how. :)
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> or 'sudo service gdm stop'
[14:40] <wirechief_> amx109 Dr_Willis gave the command sudo service gdm stop
[14:41] <amx109> ty Dr_Willis
[14:41] <wirechief_> amx109 then init 3
[14:41] <Machtin> hm.. why doesn't my script output random 5mbyte-files until i stop it? http://pastebin.org/42457
[14:42] <Machtin> it works when i just run the fourth line in the console directly
[14:42] <Machtin> and the script has the same output.. but i can't find the files.
[14:42] <penguin42> Machtin: So what does it do ?
[14:42] <Machtin> nothing, it seems
[14:43] <Machtin> but it says it does.. might it be, that it saves the files to somewhere else than the directory i'm in?
[14:43] <penguin42> Machtin: Are the files ending up being called .file ?
[14:43] <Machtin> jo
[14:43] <Machtin> err.. yes. i just did updatedb and locate .file.. which didn't succeed
[14:43] <amx109> wirechief_, still no luck. resinstalled xserver-xorg-core. getting an error in the X log - unable to initialise the PCS database, missing PCS defaults file /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default
[14:44] <penguin42> Machtin: Change the first line to #!/bin/bash -x   and you should see what it's doing
[14:44] <amx109> wirechief_, lo and behold, the file isnt there...
[14:45] <Machtin> penguin42: doesn't change anything.. i HAVE output actually.. but there are no files
[14:45] <Machtin> i'll pastebin you the output
[14:45] <cabrey> hey guys, i'm trying to apply a patch from here ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/391461 ) to fix a nvidia issue but I keep getting a malformed patch error. any way to fix this? i can pastebin the patch if you want
[14:45] <wirechief_> amx109 looking for the steps to check a bad upgrade.
[14:45] <penguin42> Machtin: Weird
[14:46] <Machtin> http://pastebin.org/42459 there you go
[14:47] <penguin42> Machtin: Ah! You're running it with sh scriptname
[14:47] <Machtin> should be ./script.sh?
[14:48] <quidnunc> I'm trying to upgrade to Karmic and I am getting a conflict with rsyslog and system-log-daemon. Which one should I have?
[14:48] <penguin42> Machtin: If you chmod +x script.sh then you can do  ./script.sh  or you could do  bash ./script.sh
[14:48] <Machtin> haha. thanks penguin42 :)
[14:48] <Machtin> yah, works now.. what does sh do then?
[14:48] <penguin42> Machtin: If you do   sh script.sh  then it will use plain shell not bash and hence won't know $RANDOM
[14:48] <Machtin> i see :) thank you
[14:49] <fortytwo> Sigh, no luck yet with my blinking mouse cursor.
[14:49] <amx109> wirechief_, i dont believe gdm (or X) is starting. the X log is timestamped at 14:23. its now 14:49..
[14:50] <fortytwo> If anyone has had a similar issue to the following, please let me know if you managed to resolve it: a random process pops in and out of the list of processes, evidently hogs resources, and CPU usage is constantly above 50%, and the mouse cursor is busy (unless positioned inside a textarea or some such). Logouts/restarts don't help. :(
[14:50] <wirechief_> amx109 i think something like dpkg -a  then apt-get -f dist-upgrade  might pull in files missed
[14:51] <amx109> wirechief_, thanks for that, i shall try now
[14:52] <amx109> wirechief_, woah. kinda fixed it
[14:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> fortytwo, i've had that problem before
[14:53] <amx109> wirechief_, i created that missing file from a backup. now -13 boots. i still get that fizzy nonsense in the centre of the screen, but it now goes into gdm
[14:53] <fortytwo> @NinjaPlimsolls: Ah! Did you manage a fix?
[14:53] <wirechief_> amx109 so you are getting the desktop now ?
[14:53] <amx109> wirechief_, i also have a lovely amd badge in the lower right cornerw ith 'testing use only, unsopported hardware' underneath it
[14:53] <amx109> wirechief_, yup!
[14:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> fortytwo, its called Windows ;)
[14:54] <wirechief_> amx109 you might get out of the woods yet ;)
[14:54] <amx109> wirechief_, im going to disable the fgrlx driver
[14:54] <wirechief_> amx109 good idea
[14:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> j/k, I think if i remember correctly its a rogue daemon
[14:54] <cabrey> can anybody tell me if this patch is formated right? http://pastebin.com/d7c785e44
[14:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> fortytwo, I did some updates and it managed to fix itself, so I couldn't fully diagnose the problem
[14:55] <fortytwo> @NinjaPlimsolls: LOL! Ah, right...
[14:55] <wirechief_> amx109 ATI proprietary has been junk  for some time now, i see that a new radeon driver was released but not sure how to get it
[14:55] <fortytwo> Hmm. Let me see if an update helps at this end...
[14:55] <NinjaPlimsolls> could you catch the process ID or its name?
[14:56] <fortytwo> It's a mystery process because it (apparently) doesn't have a name... it appears for two seconds every three, with a different ID each time.
[14:56] <amx109> wirechief_, i think the opensource driver can do pretty good 2d now?
[14:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> hmmmmmm peculiar
[14:56] <amx109> wirechief_, its part of the kernel/xorg stack?
[14:56] <vox> well the alternate cd seems to be working
[14:56] <fortytwo> Totally :(
[14:56] <vox> wonder what it was/is about the desktop that my system doesnt like
[14:56] <chu_> hey guys, has anything come up about turning the drum off at start-up?
[14:56] <wirechief_> amx109 check on #radeon or on #phoronix someone might have a suggestion on it
[14:57] <fortytwo> And I don't even know what to document if I am to file a bug report or even a post at the forums...
[14:57] <amx109> wirechief_, ah yeah, good idea. phronix is always a good place for ati driver info..
[14:57] <fortytwo> @chu_ If that's something you want to do, suppose disable it from preferences > startup apps? ("startup sound", IIRC)
[14:57] <wirechief_> amx109 if you run into Kano on phoronix he is a master at the ATI stuff
[14:57] <vox> fortytwo: run 'pstree' - it'll show whatever is spawning that process
[14:57] <amx109> wirechief_, thanks for the heads up
[14:58] <legend2440> chu_: open system>preferences>startup applications and uncheck Gnome Login Sound
[14:58] <chu_> fortytwo, yeah, that sound is gonr, the gdm sound...
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> intel and matrox really need to start trying to compete  in the video card area more...
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> good old matrox..   :) the  maker that i mention and everyone goes 'who?'
[14:59] <NoReflex> Hey guys! What's the key that allows me to edit the grub options when my system starts? Grub2 doesn't seem to display any options when it boots.
[14:59] <NinjaPlimsolls> what chu talkin about Willis?!
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> unhide the grub menu via editing the /etc/default/grub menu
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> err file.
[14:59] <chu_> when you reach the login window and it plays some drum sound, I liked the pang from Jaunty :p
[14:59] <wirechief_> matrox does warrant a "who"
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[14:59] <NoReflex> thx Dr_Willis
[15:00] <Nafai> Wait; everyone is talking about grub2
[15:00] <Nafai> But I don't have it installed
[15:00] <NoReflex> Nafai: grub2 is the default bootloader in Karmic
[15:00] <Nafai> Weird
[15:00] <Nafai> I'm running karmic here
[15:00] <wirechief_> Nafai just wait you will be assemulated
[15:01] <Nafai> (upgraded from Jaunty)
[15:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> ah then youre not on GRUB 2
[15:01] <Nafai> Because of the upgrade?
[15:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> yeah they didnt want to tamper with existing bootloaders
[15:01]  * Nafai nods
[15:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> only fresh installs will have GRUB2 and Ext4
[15:01] <Nafai> Is it worth manually installing?
[15:01]  * NinjaPlimsolls shrugs
[15:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> do you have anything on your disk you dont mind losing if it goes nuclear? :)
[15:02] <wirechief_> NijaPlimsolls well they mucked with jaunty remix and pushed grub2 into it this morning... grrr.
[15:02] <Nafai> a thing or two :)
[15:02] <NoReflex> Nafai: if your current system is supported by your BIOS I don't see any reason for upgrade
[15:02] <Nafai> ok
[15:02] <Nafai> thanks
[15:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> I wish GRUB2 was pretty :(
[15:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> but it still looks like something coded in QBASIC
[15:03] <fortytwo> @vox: Sorry I can't resolve the formatting on this one, but this is what the output of pstree looks like: http://pastebin.com/mefe07bd
[15:04] <fortytwo> Running an update at the moment, let's see if that is useful. :|
[15:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> fortytwo, im sure I had a rogue daemon doing what you describe though
[15:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> jumping in an out of process monitor
[15:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> but it had an ID :(
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> i have a pretty boot screen for my grub2 menu.. in high res also...
[15:10] <fortytwo> Heh... I see, right. This one has a continually increasing id. It doesn't even last long enough for me to point, click, kill (on the gui monitor, that is).
[15:12] <fortytwo> Say, this is the first time that I'm actually using IRC to seek help on a problem. Been shy for a while now, but I must say it's so cool to actually be here!
[15:14] <cabrey> well at least you're getting help... >_> i have a stupid little problem that is preventing a lot of functionality
[15:15] <fortytwo> @cabrey Been there :| What exactly... have you run into?
[15:16] <cabrey> I can't patch a kernel module :bleh:
[15:16] <vox> ok, the alternate installer is broken.
[15:17] <vox> if you have a raidset that appears higher in the device chain than the target system disk, grub will not install.
[15:17] <musikgoat> vox: report a bug
[15:18] <arielCo> cabrey: does the actual patching fail ?
[15:18] <vox> musikgoat: yeah, will have to
[15:18] <cabrey> arielCo: yep. it complains about a malformed patch. even though this worked on ubuntu before, all i did was switch to kubuntu
[15:18] <b1shop> can anyone point me to differences in the 9.10 live cd... no more squashfs?
[15:18] <vox> now to deactivate 8 disks
[15:18] <vox> and start again
[15:19] <johnni> I upgraded to Karmic Koala last night and I don't know things just aren't as snappy as they were in 9.04..things feel slower...even connecting to Xchat felt slower...anyone have any idea?
[15:19] <musikgoat> vox: is your raid software or hardware?  either deactivate the peripheral in bios or unseat the card?
[15:20] <vox> musikgoat: mdadm-drive
[15:20] <musikgoat> vox: unless your process is quicker/easier
[15:20] <vox> *driven
[15:20] <musikgoat> vox: ah
[15:21] <arielCo> cabrey: I had that complaint from patch a few days ago, but I don't remember how I made it work ( googling, I think ;) ). If all else fails, maybe you can make the modifications by hand if they're not too big
[15:22] <johnni> So is anyone else noticing a speed difference between Karmic and Jaunty?
[15:24] <legend2440> johnni: a clean install would probably be "snappier". because of ext4 for one thing
[15:24] <cabrey> arielCo: well I know the patch itself *works* as I used it before, but now it just won't apply so I have a feeling it has to do with the formatting
[15:25] <arielCo> cabrey: yes, it's a formatting thing. How big is it?
[15:25] <johnni> legend2440, so you think the upgrade to it is what broke it?
[15:26] <cabrey> arielCo: 17 lines
[15:26] <chu_> Termana, do you know of their repo mirrors?/quit
[15:26] <legend2440> johnni: cant say. i've never tried upgrades. i only do clean install and i think karmic is snappier than jaunty
[15:27] <johnni> legend2440, okay I will try clean install all I know is it feels slower even the connecting on the internet like how fast i can browse feels slower
[15:29] <legend2440> johnni: not sure if upgrade would have anything to do with internet speed.
[15:29] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. for a home lan.. apt-cacher-ng is soo handy :)
[15:29] <johnni> legend2440, question you have used Karmic for a while now I presume do you think even with it being in beta it is worth the upgrade ? well coming from Jaunty
[15:30] <legend2440> johnni: for me yes. i wouldnt go back to jaunty
[15:30] <johnni> legend2440, okay thanks thats what i wanted to know and i am going to do a clean install..ty
[15:30] <legend2440> johnni: ok good luck
[15:31] <johnni> legend2440, ty
[15:32] <arielCo> cabrey: check if the line specified matches the original match. It should be one of those lines not starting with '-' or '+'
[15:32] <arielCo> cabrey: err, "original file"
[15:33] <cabrey> arielCo: the line it complains about starts with @@
[15:34] <corigo> I'm having trouble reporting a bug on LaunchPad... when I click on the "Report a bug" button for my package it ends up redirecting me to the Ubuntu wiki page on how to report a bug.
[15:34] <cabrey> arielCo: here is the actual patch: http://pastebin.com/d7c785e44
[15:36] <legend2440> corigo: have you tried  ubuntu-bug <packagename>  from terminal?
[15:37] <arielCo> cabrey: it's in the spaces at the beginning of the lines. I'd add one to the first line.
[15:37] <corigo> Yes, but it is too new of a package, ubuntu-bug claims it doesn't exist... further my problem is with installation of the package
[15:37] <arielCo> "If all lines (including headers) within a patch begin with the same leading sequence of blank characters, the patch utility will remove this sequence before proceeding."
[15:38] <legend2440> corigo: its not ther  bad file descriptor message in gdebi  is it?
[15:38] <legend2440> *the
[15:38] <arielCo> cabrey: lines 1 and 6, to be specific
[15:39] <corigo> legend2440: trying to overwrite "/usr/lib/libkimpanelruntime.o.0', which is also in package kimpanel lzma:Decoder error
[15:40] <corigo> When I delete all the Kimpanel files in lib and try again, same result
[15:41] <cabrey> arielCo: still getting "malformed patch at line 10: @@ -895,6 +896,7 @@"
[15:41] <corigo> so it is writing the original .so file and then apparently trying to update that file and failing
[15:45] <legend2440> corigo: got me. never heard of kimpanel before
[15:46] <corigo> Like I said it is new, but it is essential ... it is the new KDE filter for SCIM and foreign language input
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:47] <arielCo> cabrey: hmm, did you change that file or does it begin "@@... " ?
[15:47] <Tarthen> argh
[15:47] <Tarthen> Does anyone here use recordmydesktop?
[15:47] <cabrey> arielCo: did I change what file? I copied the patch directly from launchpad
[15:47] <Tarthen> it's outputting craaaazy colours :S
[15:48] <legend2440> corigo: is the package called  plasma-widget-kimpanel?
[15:48] <corigo> Package: plasma-widget-kimpanel (0.0+svn1015443-0ubuntu1)
[15:49] <corigo> http://ns2.canonical.com/pl/karmic/kde/plasma-widget-kimpanel
[15:50] <arielCo> from the manpage, I believe either all or none of the lines should start with blanks. Anyway, you can put the '#if 0' and '#endif' by hand around the bit of code.
[15:50] <arielCo> cabery: that's all it does
[15:50] <arielCo> cabrey: see above
[15:52] <cabrey> arielCo: the only problem is that I don't know where/how to copy the code in by hand. do I also put in #if 0 or is that just for the patch system? does the code that's already there go between the brackets or is it replaced entirely?
[15:53] <arielCo> cabrey: the #if and #endif are meant for the code. What it's doing is preventing a bunch of code from being compiled
[15:53] <corigo> I'm trying to add the bug from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=plasma-widget-kimpanel
[15:54] <erle-> where to track deep system bugs nowadays?
[15:55] <arielCo> cabrey: how big is nv.c ? I'm willing to fiddle with the patch until it runs, just to learn.
[15:55] <arielCo> erle-: what do you mean by "deep system bug"? Kernel?
[15:55] <cabrey> arielCo: 4600 lines but I don't think I should put it on pastebin as it is nvidia's code...
[15:56] <cabrey> then again I may be breaking the license by applying a patch
[15:56] <BluesKaj> had an interesting non boot sequence this morning , grub loaded fine, but kubuntu stalled before loading anything , then I had to do a hard power off, and the following bootup kubuntu rebooted itself after I chose the latest kernel in grub (which is normal) and then karmic loaded normally . I wonder what could have caused that glitch ...a bit worriesome IMO.
[15:56] <arielCo> BluesKaj: hiya back. Ask straight away
[15:56] <erle-> arielCo, yeah, karmic doesn't boot when in virtual box a second virtual disk is added, which the karmic disk tool made a luks-encrypted disk
[15:57] <arielCo> cabrey: I believe you're only compiling an interface to the driver. The driver itself can't possibly be 4600 (measly) lines long
[15:58] <cabrey> arielCo: well yea ;) I just put in #if and #endif so I can see if it will compile now
[16:00] <arielCo> cabrey: the lines that don't begin with "+" or "-" are references to check where you're inserting (context)
[16:01] <cabrey> arielCo: it compiled, I'm gonna reboot now and ahhh that makes sense :)
[16:03] <arielCo> cabrey: how was that?
[16:03] <cabrey> arielCo: *internet high five*
[16:03] <cabrey> arielCo: who knew two small words could make such a difference?
[16:03] <arielCo> hehe... did you boot and come back in 18 secs ?
[16:04] <cabrey> arielCo: yes. karmic is fast at booting. i'm still curious why it wasn't patching automatically though
[16:04] <Tarthen> Hey guys! I'm using recordmydesktop and the .oggs it outputs are rainbow colours
[16:04] <Tarthen> Yet the thumbnails are fine
[16:04] <Tarthen> any suggestions?
[16:05] <arielCo> cabrey: format issue. Think of the patch as a little padlock on the door of a large cage. Everything between lines 890 and 897 was excluded from compilation.
[16:07] <cabrey> arielCo: well thanks soooo much! I also learned some new things about patching also :)
[16:07]  * arielCo is glad to finally be of help
[16:09] <drs305> I'm about to post a thread on tweaking the titles you see on the Grub 2 menu. What would you call them:  Titles, Entries, Selections  ?
[16:09] <drs305> The post will probably be something like  "Grub 2 xxx Tweaks"
[16:10] <drs305> Menu Tweaks?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> title tweaks
[16:11] <BluesKaj> :)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> does it matter?
[16:11] <robin0800_> selection text
[16:11] <drs305> Only if you are anal, which is who the post will be for anyway.  :p
[16:14] <BluesKaj> drs305, i'm just happy to have a splash image for grub, not worried about the kernel title fonts or style or....
[16:15] <drs305> BluesKaj: Oh, it's not even that detailed. Only the title text wording, which is why I was wonderin' how to title it to keep it on topic.
[16:16]  * arielCo 's Karmic boots anything but fast :'(
[16:16] <BluesKaj> drs305, can you use aliases in grub ?
[16:18] <drs305> BluesKaj: I would think not since your bashrc wouldn't be loaded at the time you made your selection.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> right ..was wondering
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> I think they are called 'labels' in the grub2 docs.
[16:18] <darkham> today's daily live it's a disaster
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[16:19] <darkham> for whom have an ati radeon 9000 series
[16:19] <darkham> and network manager applet is at the worst ever
[16:20] <darkham> i've some doubt about a "stable" the 29.
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> Demand a refund!
[16:20]  * Dr_Willis waits for his other boxx to fully update/upgrade/dist-upgrade befor he reboots it..
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> Silly thing would not boot from a usb flash drve that booted my 3 other machines.. had to use an alpha4 cd to instrall.. then upgrade
[16:22] <darkham> yesterday's daily worked pretty well, and network manager worked almost good...
[16:23] <pete_> the update yestetday broke my grub?
[16:23] <erle-> arielCo, i am asking because there is no more "track a bug" option in launchpad but a reporting option in the apps
[16:23] <pete_> for some reason it changed the root HD
[16:24] <erle-> arielCo, but that doesn't help with kernel bugs
[16:24] <shoss> Hello, I need help please, my wifi adapter is dead after I tried to solve the download limit (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/using-ipw3945-instead-iwl3945-in-hardy.html) I must have done something wrong because after rebooting the adapter was dead.. can someone please help me with this issue?
[16:25] <arielCo> erle: is there already a bug and you want to keep track of it ?
[16:26] <pete_> I GOT A BUG, SYNAPTIC BREAKS GRUB
[16:26] <pete_> DONT USE IT
[16:26] <Hellow> Well, you could talk without all caps.
[16:26] <pete_> I COULD
[16:26] <pete_> but nobody listens
[16:27] <Hellow> And, how does Synaptic Package Manager break GRUB? They don't interface at all unless you are performing a upgrade.
[16:27] <void^_> presented evidence indicates it most likely breaks caps lock instead
[16:27] <pete_> well buddy it upgraded yesterday,
[16:27] <Hellow> And?
[16:27] <pete_> and it changed my root device from 4 to 5
[16:27] <pete_> somehow
[16:27] <pete_> so i had to use nano to fix it
[16:27] <pete_> which is annoyin.
[16:28] <pete_> my point being
[16:28] <pete_> less experienced people would have been SOL
[16:28] <Hellow> Less experienced people are not using Ubuntu Karmic.. yet :_
[16:28] <Hellow> :)*
[16:28] <pete_> why does it break grub
[16:28] <pete_> thats terrible.
[16:29] <pete_> of all the stuff to destroy lol
[16:29] <Hellow> It sounds like update-grub must have messed something up - I don't know exactly how, though.
[16:29] <pete_> yea it changed the boot device
[16:29] <pete_> to the actualy /dev/sda5
[16:29] <pete_> but grub is alway -1
[16:29] <pete_> so its actually (hd0,4)
[16:30] <pete_> O and
[16:30] <pete_> it broke my ipod
[16:30] <pete_> think they screwed LIBGPOD up too.
[16:30] <robin0800_> pete_: grub 2 uses uuid
[16:30] <Hellow> How did it break your iPod?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> pete_, I posted this earler but I wonder if it's related to your experience , altho i didn't have to edit grub.cfg ...had an interesting non boot sequence this morning , grub loaded fine, but kubuntu stalled before loading anything , then I had to do a hard power off, and the following bootup kubuntu rebooted itself after I chose the latest kernel in grub and then karmic loaded normally . I wonder what could have caused that glitch ...a bit
[16:30] <BluesKaj> worriesome IMO.
[16:31] <pete_> robin0800_, my fstab uses uuid
[16:31] <pete_> BluesKaj, try having grub look for the wrong HD
[16:31] <pete_> robin0800_, i dont think karmic uses grub2
[16:31] <BluesKaj> hmm
[16:32] <FFEMTcJ> I just did an update using the update manager.. After the update I ran check again just to make sure im up to date.. Why does it say the package info was last updated 3 days ago?
[16:32] <genii> BluesKaj: I got the same thing on 2 different laptops... I noticed it happens when: If you close the lid before it finishes the normal logout/shutdown sequence after it's selected GUI way
[16:32] <Hellow> No, the GRUB in Karmic is 0.97.
[16:33] <pete_> ok
[16:33] <fortytwo> Here's hoping I'm not over-asking: will be grateful if anyone can help with this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1287548 - thanks!
[16:33] <pete_> so is ubuntu going to use grub2 or not ?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> pete_, grub 2 is default on clean karmivc installs
[16:33] <robin0800_> BluesKaj: I thought uuid never changed
[16:33] <pete_> BluesKaj, i see, this was an upgrade
[16:33] <robin0800_> pete_: on new installs only not upgrades
[16:33] <pete_> BluesKaj, i have had enough problems with ubuntu and regular grub,
[16:34] <BluesKaj> robin0800_, not sure
[16:34] <pete_> i will stick to using 0.97 for now. since i know how to fix it when it breaks
[16:34] <pete_> haha
[16:34] <Pienjo> Hi, anyone who could help me? My netbook (Acer Aspire One 110) no longer boots after updating (9.10 netbook remix). It just stops in the splash screen. I tried booting the recovery mode, but that doesn't get very far (It starts modem-manager and stalls after that). Using an older kernel doesn't help..
[16:36]  * BluesKaj has to look into uuid and fstab more deeply ...not too well versed on that aspect of booting and mounting
[16:37] <pete_> BluesKaj, UUID=3379059e-918c-4285-b5ef-963c4cbf7164 / ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[16:37] <pete_> UUID=e1b71270-1a4e-4c0b-ae36-7e3174a430c3 /home/pete/storage ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[16:37] <pete_> 2 examples.
[16:38] <pete_> you can use blkid
[16:38] <pete_> to find ur hd's UUID's
[16:39] <robin0800_>  Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
[16:39] <robin0800_> # for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
[16:39] <robin0800_> # devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[16:39] <pete_> yep
[16:39] <pete_> much better than /dev/blah or /dev/hdblah
[16:42] <vox> why cant i edit the ethernet properties with network manager?
[16:42] <socomm> vox: you don't have proper permissions?
[16:43] <vox> ...
[16:43] <vox> so i need to invoke network-manager with gksudo to have the correct permisions?
[16:43] <socomm> vox: possibly
[16:43] <fortytwo> Eh... my "issue" is solved as mysteriously as it started :|
[16:44] <vox> you cant be serrious
[16:44] <fortytwo> (About a rogue process.) For the record:
[16:44]  * vox bashes head
[16:44] <socomm> vox: wouldn't be smart to let regular users mess with your hardware settings, would it?
[16:44] <socomm> heh
[16:45] <vox> wouldnt be smart to tlet the only sudoer have access to it?
[16:45] <fortytwo> I uninstalled gnome-do, and tried logging out, gave me the warning about an unknown process and I cancelled the logout... and somehow all's back to normal. *shrug*!
[16:45] <socomm> fortytwo: :^)
[16:46] <vox> network-manager is stupidly broken. if you're going to stop people changing their lan IP adress, atleast give them some sort of administrator permision to change it.
[16:46] <socomm> fortytwo: wait until you reboot
[16:46] <socomm> vox: relax, don't let your anger get best of you
[16:46] <vox> well i have an install here i cant use.
[16:47] <Raphi974> Hi everyone
[16:47] <Raphi974> I have the brightness blinking non-stop.... since the GDM Login Screen.... Can someone help me ?
[16:47] <fortytwo> @socomm: I'm dreading that, please keep your fingers crossed for me! :S
[16:47] <socomm> Raphi974: salut
[16:47] <Raphi974> socomm, salut
[16:48] <fortytwo> Okay, in a fit of adventure, I re-installed gnome do and things still seem fine, so it must be something... completely strange :)
[16:48] <socomm> Raphi974: maybe your hardware?
[16:49] <socomm> Raphi974: that or you may have refresh too high on your X config
[16:49] <Raphi974> socomm, with fresh install of Karmic, it worked well... since yesterday's update, blinking non-stop
[16:49] <thiebaude> vox, and remember 9.10 will be ready Oct 29th
[16:50] <Raphi974> socomm, i found a way : go to tty1 for 5s, then back to X, and then it stoped blinking
[16:50] <socomm> Raphi974: what changed?
[16:50] <Raphi974> socomm, but it's annoying
[16:50] <socomm> Raphi974: you install something new? you change any settings?
[16:50] <Raphi974> socomm, xorg-server i think
[16:50] <Raphi974> socomm, nop, nothing
[16:50] <vox> yes well
[16:50] <BluesKaj> robin0800_, I'd like to auto-mount wife's vista pc, which is on our LAN, by using fstab , but all the tutorials for doing so have failed me. smb works ok but it's a pita to use the dialog for username and pw everytime , I need to look at or transfer files back and forth.
[16:50] <socomm> Raphi974: strange, report it as a bug
[16:51] <Raphi974> socomm, how ?
[16:51] <vox> in the meantime, apt-get remove --purge network-manager seems the best way to resolve it
[16:51] <socomm> Raphi974: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ReportProblem
[16:51] <Raphi974> socomm, thx
[16:52] <BluesKaj> vox, one can install wicd and that will remove or disable network manager
[16:52] <Raphi974> socomm, and also, empathy doesn't connect at all.... any idea ? pidgin works well
[16:52] <socomm> Raphi974: no idea, try empathy's channel
[16:53] <vox> BluesKaj: one cant install anything until they can change their mac address.
[16:53] <Raphi974> socomm, ok
[16:53] <socomm> Raphi974: might be that there's offline mode on that client, not sure
[16:53] <Raphi974> socomm, i'll join their channel in a minute, just after filling the bug
[16:54] <l_r> hello
[16:54] <socomm> l_r: hello
[16:56] <l_r> how is empathy working up until now in kamic beta?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> vox ??
[16:56] <socomm> l_r: Raphi974 is having problems with empathy, could be related?
[16:56] <Raphi974> socomm, maybe lol
[16:57] <BluesKaj> vox, I never encountered that problem with wicd or any networking apps
[16:57] <Raphi974> socomm, since i installed Karmic, it won't connect at all
[16:57] <l_r> Raphi974, what kind of problems?
[16:57] <socomm> l_r: see above
[16:57] <l_r> well..they are network problems..not strictly related to empathy
[16:58] <vox> BluesKaj: i have never, ever, had network-manager actually work in an acceptable way, except on one(1) laptop
[16:58] <BluesKaj> vox, did you try wicd ?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> !info wicd
[16:58] <vox> neg
[16:58] <vox> i just hard-coded /etc/network/interfaces
[16:58] <Raphi974> here's my problem : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipD2rQwJpM0
[17:03] <robin0800_> BluesKaj: run blkid to get uuid put in fstab run depmod -a run update-initramfs -u run update-grub
[17:06] <rockrat> hi
[17:07] <rockrat> how turn off mouse wheel functionality, for tab switching, window selection. is there any configuration manager screen for such ? thanks
[17:08] <uberspaced> when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't give me a menu to select the resolution I want to use.
[17:08] <uberspaced> it just returns a prompt.  yes, I'm running it as root.
[17:08] <uberspaced> I'm basically trying to configure this old ass video card that does RCA out
[17:09] <uberspaced> it posts at the right resolution, then it inits at a higher resolution
[17:10] <uberspaced> and when it gets into X, it gets to some place where the refresh rate + resolution is a bad combination.
[17:10] <uberspaced> when I type reboot, a splash screen with the ubuntu logo shows up correctly, at the resolution I want
[17:10] <uberspaced> it's just weird.
[17:11] <uberspaced> any help on dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg would be greatly appreciated.
[17:11] <uberspaced> ah.  maybe it's showing up on the on-board card.  didn't think about that.
[17:11] <shadeslayer> uberspaced: whats the problem with dpkg?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:13]  * NinjaPlimsolls gets comfy and falls asleep again
[17:14] <BluesKaj> robin0800_, how do I blkid a networked pc ?
[17:14] <ldeveaux> hi!
[17:14] <shadeslayer> ldeveaux: hi!
[17:14] <ldeveaux> When I run the installation CD, I have the following message: "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted.... Try again to mount the CD-ROM?"
[17:15] <djdarkman> hello, Karmic boots really slow on a 1,6 GHz 1GB RAM netbook, is there a reason for this?
[17:15] <ldeveaux> Does somebody know how to fix this problem? Thanks in advance
[17:15] <djdarkman> is there a way to find out why does it boots this slow?
[17:15] <ldeveaux> I have an external driver and I use it for the installation
[17:16] <shadeslayer> ldeveaux: did you check the cd? like a md5sum
[17:16] <rockrat> ldeveaux: perhaps BETA ?
[17:16] <ldeveaux> rockrat: yes this is the BETA version
[17:16] <robin0800_> BluesKaj:  are you trying to mount the p-c or just the shares?
[17:17] <ldeveaux> shadeslayer: I cannot check the cd because of the same message
[17:17] <rockrat> ldeveaux: it boots slow for me 2, lets wait for release :)
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ldeveaux: perhaps checking it in the currently installed os ?
[17:18] <ldeveaux> shadeslayer: I don't have any OS already installed, just a /home partition
[17:18] <ldeveaux> rockrat: I need a Kubuntu version know for my work
[17:18] <shadeslayer> rockrat djdarkman check your startup services in tty1 and see whats taking so long to start,use bootchart for a confirmation and then file a bug against it
[17:18] <Fanfare> ldeveaux: possible to boot from USB-thunb? try that...
[17:19] <djdarkman> shadeslayer, what is bootchart?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> !info bootchart | djdarkman
[17:19] <djdarkman> thank you shadeslayer
[17:19] <amx109> the latest beta doesnt seem to work with newer ati cards - just d/l the daily live cd and its as broken as my karmic install
[17:20] <ldeveaux> Fanfare: okay! do you know software to make USB key bootable
[17:20] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: it gives a graphical representation of your boot sequence,what takes what amount of time,image is placed in /var/log/bootchart
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ldeveaux: usb-creator
[17:20] <Fanfare> ldeveaux: on a running ubuntu theres a tool usb-creator...
[17:20] <shadeslayer> theres also unetbootin....
[17:22] <rockrat> well i was here for configuring mouse wheel
[17:22] <rockrat> so anyone know how to do it ?
[17:22] <rockrat> like re-configuring or redefining actions associated with mouse wheel
[17:22] <shadeslayer> rockrat: what touchpad?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> (if you have a touchpad)
[17:22] <rockrat> nop
[17:22] <shadeslayer> !mouse | rockrat
[17:23] <rockrat> perhaps its intellimouse
[17:23] <shadeslayer> rockrat: what DE ?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ubottu is silent?
[17:23] <rockrat> DE ?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> rockrat: gnome or KDE ?
[17:23] <rockrat> gnome
[17:24] <shadeslayer> hehe.... lag...
[17:24] <rockrat> shadeslayer: but i want to disable already associated actions
[17:24] <shadeslayer> rockrat: then just follow the guide from the bottom to the top
[17:24] <rockrat> lol
[17:24] <shadeslayer> rockrat: the process will be the same
[17:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:26] <rockrat> mm more interested that little gdm configuration manager which use to be part of System>>Preferences>>
[17:26] <uberspaced> all right.  Now i'm in a better position to fix things.
[17:26] <Fanfare> !kdevicekit
[17:26] <uberspaced> so, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not give me a prompt to configure anything.
[17:29] <rockrat> !ubotu gnome-configuration-manager
[17:30] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[17:30] <rockrat> perhaps i should uninstall compiz
[17:31] <uberspaced> bah.  the mini-iso installer graphic settings look PERFECT.  I'm reinstalling and I'll see if X comes up with that resolution as well.
[17:32] <heyjoe> Hello, after using apt-get to upgrade, some packages are being held back. See: http://paste.ubuntu.com/290205/ for output. On #ubuntu it was suggested that I use synaptic instead. However, if i click mark all upgrades and apply it wants to install additional packages. What is the best course of action? Is it supposed to hold back packages?
[17:32] <rockrat> brb
[17:33] <MyWay> hi, i have gdb using my cpu 90/98% and all is going slow, can i remove it or it's needed?
[17:34] <penguin42> MyWay: Something is in the middle of crashing and it's just generating debug info for it
[17:34] <MyWay> ah ok
[17:34] <MyWay> so i have to wait and then report the bug
[17:34] <shadeslayer> whats a good alternate for dreamweaver ?
[17:35] <mac_v> !gnome-configuration-manager
[17:35] <uberspaced> hey.  If I have the last portion of the strace for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:35] <MyWay> shadeslayer: i think there isn't, try geany
[17:35] <uberspaced> and it didn't work, would that be valuable to yous guys?
[17:36] <mac_v> heyjoe: dont use synaptic  , read this > www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta
[17:37] <heyjoe> mac_v: will do
[17:37] <MyWay> penguin42: another thing, it's like if my audio is lagging and it's doing strange rumors, what can be?
[17:37] <penguin42> MyWay: rumors?
[17:37] <penguin42> not sure
[17:38] <MyWay> hm like noises
[17:39] <djdarkman> does someone know what to report boot speed bugs against?
[17:39] <djdarkman> (ubuntu-bug command would be even more appreciated)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: ubuntu-bug <package name>
[17:40] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: i think a bug against ubuntu-meta with a tag of boot would be sufficient
[17:41] <djdarkman> shadeslayer, but what is the package that I should report the speed bugs against? (checked wiki, found nothing)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: ubuntu-meta
[17:41] <djdarkman> thanks shadeslayer, I already reported quite a few bugs, but I'm still not used to launchpads concept
[17:46] <vigo> Still on FS ext 3 , is this correct?
[17:46] <billybigrigger> ext4 is default in karmic
[17:47] <Raphi974> Hi, does someone has the brightness bug ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipD2rQwJpM0
[17:48] <vigo> I am on Karmic 9.10 development branch.
[17:48] <Frickelpit> vigo: did you Upgrade from Jaunty?
[17:49] <vigo> Frickelpit: No, clean from source
[17:49] <Frickelpit> vigo: Fresh Install should be with ext4
[17:49] <djdarkman> ubuntu-bug -p ubuntu-meta says that "Package ubuntu-meta" does not exist.....
[17:50] <vigo> Frickelpit: I did the Alpha-2, so on and so on.
[17:50] <rockrat> shadeslayer: nop, still no luck
[17:50] <shadeslayer> djdarkman: try : ubuntu
[17:50] <djdarkman> shadeslayer, same error
[17:51] <shadeslayer> ._.
[17:51] <djdarkman> how could this be?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> rockrat: what did you do?
[17:51] <rockrat> uninstalled compiz :)
[17:51] <djdarkman> should I report it against linux and add ubuntu-meta afterwards?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> rockrat: for disabling mouse buttons? why would you do that?
[17:52] <rockrat> mouse wheel up/down still switch between opened windows
[17:52] <shadeslayer> rockrat: you want to disable that? check it under keyboard shortcuts
[17:52] <rockrat> i don't want to disable mouse button, but i want to disable mouse wheel association to switch opened windows
[17:53] <shadeslayer> btw i can control a remote machine via ssh right?
[17:54] <rockrat> its not there
[17:54] <vigo> rockrat: Is that a macro in Main Menu or Mouse?
[17:54] <rockrat> vigo: sorry ?
[17:54] <vigo> rockrat: I think that is in Main Menu. let me look again.
[17:55] <rockrat> k
[17:58] <Fanfare> anyone know if kvkbd support for kdm works now? (Table user)
[18:00] <vigo> rockrat: is worth a look, open Main Menu/GUI> System>Mouse, there is a Help launcher on that , it explains some of that, but I am still looking.
[18:00] <uberspaced> what display settings are chosen for the graphical display when booting off of an install image?
[18:00] <rockrat> vigo: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-November/033897.html
[18:00] <rockrat> this problem explains exactly what i am looking for
[18:01]  * Twigathy hugs his karmic mini.iso. So handy... nice text-based installer too... c_c
[18:01] <rockrat> vigo: thanks i check GUI
[18:03] <vigo> rockrat: I am on Edbuntu, is KDE/Gnome mixed, now, I will have to look further into that to get a definitive response.
[18:05] <uberspaced> timber, his arms wide.
[18:07] <uberspaced> star trek TNG references? no? yes?
[18:11] <penguin42> something like gelad and picard ....
[18:11] <uberspaced> close enough.
[18:13] <billybigrigger> any nvidia vdpau users here?
[18:14] <johnni> I used it once..wassup?
[18:17] <Nattgew> what do you call the thing that shows pictures in the sidebar of f-spot view? what kind of widget is that?
[18:19] <timber> does somebody know if the syndaemon command works on karmic beta?
[18:20] <Nattgew> timber: what command do you mean?
[18:22] <Nattgew> timber: oh, right... I got I it... Gnome appears to disable my touchpad when I'm typing, so I think so...
[18:24] <Nattgew> can anyone use the sidebar of f-spot (and similar instances of that kind of list)? it won't accept any clicks for me
[18:27] <mirkone> Hallo folgene Problem seit Karmic ... der Pegel der Soundkarte istbei meinem System zu gering / Kopfhörerausgang zu leise was kann ich testen
[18:27] <johnni> Nattgew, i just tried f-spot and mine crashes on start
[18:27] <Frickelpit> mirkone: try #ubuntu-de+1
[18:28] <Nattgew> how about f-spot view?
[18:28] <mirkone> Frickelpit: oh sorry .. thanks
[18:28] <kulight> any one know of an app that record mouse events ?
[18:30] <kulight> !keylogger
[18:30] <Martyn> Good morning
[18:30] <Martyn> Well, afternoon now
[18:31] <kulight> evening...
[18:31] <LjL> !info xmacro | kulight
[18:31] <kulight> LjL TY
[18:31] <Nattgew> johnni: I meant f-spot view... does that work for you?
[18:32] <Royall> Does #ubuntu+1 recommend just a full reinstalling or a dist upgrade for .10?
[18:32] <johnni> Nattgew, how do you get that? and I will check