[03:27] <nvrpunk> anyone had any luck with evolution-ews?  I seem to hang after adding my office365 mailbox
[04:35] <nvrpunk>  /join #ubuntu-devel
[07:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:10] <miyako> hi everyone! apologies for my lack of google-fu / general ubuntu development process knowlege; I was wondering if anyone could give me a general idea if running the current pre-release is essentially equivalent to running Debian Sid, and can I just up date my /etc/apt/sources.list to those repos and upgrade, or is there a significant expectation of breakage without doing a clean install?
[14:10] <penguin42> you'd need to do a clean
[14:11] <miyako> ah, okay, I thought there was a good chance that was true but I hoped it wouldn't be :)
[14:11] <penguin42> miyako: I'm not exactly sure the point at which +1 split but it does fork at a point from debian, and then it's inconsistent with that; there are also a range of ubuntu specific patches on packages and some packages that are more recent in ubuntu than debian
[14:12] <miyako> penguin42: oh, sorry, I am currently running ubuntu 14.04, I just meant can I track +1 instead of stable in ubuntu as I would be able to do tracking sid instead of wheezy in debian
[14:13] <penguin42> oh, yeh, if you want to switch from 14.04 to 14.10 run do-release-upgrade -d
[14:13] <ikonia> I'd advise against that
[14:13] <ikonia> as it WILL break
[14:13] <penguin42> miyako: It'll update your sources and also has some fixes in occasionally for other screwups
[14:14] <miyako> ikonia: is that "it will break" on the same scale as running Sid / Rawhide / Arch / etc. or "it will break" as in "we, the developers, are actively creating a system with known breakages in preperation for the next release"?
[14:14] <ikonia> miyako: no as in it will break, refuse to boot and you'll need to re-install
[14:14] <miyako> ikonia: ah, okay
[14:15] <miyako> I'm getting the feeling that if what I want is Sid I might be better off to just install Sid and be done with it, honestly it's just that I got all of my power management and SSD stuff tuned on this laptop and I didnt' want to do a clean install of anything and have to do that work again if I could help it
[14:16] <ikonia> miyako: if you want something that works like sid - install sid
[14:17] <miyako> I really wasn't sure how similar the ubuntu development model was, I have had ubuntu on this laptop for a while because, laptop, and ubuntu seemed, at least a couple of years ago, to work with less fuss on a laptop than anything else
[14:17] <miyako> but I'm really more familiar with debian anyway
[14:17] <miyako> and I'm not sure I want to wait for 14.10 to be able to have the new Qt stuff since until then I'll be stuck developing on Windows
[14:18]  * penguin42 would still upgrade to 14.10 - if you know how to wrangle Debian problems you should be fine
[14:18] <penguin42> it's working fine here
[14:19] <miyako> I suppose if I assume I need to re-install, do my backing up and creating new install media first, then if I try the upgrade the worst-case scenario is I just clean install Sid as planned
[14:20] <miyako> life would be much easier if Qtcreator didnt' segfault when running under virtualbox =\
[14:21] <penguin42> that's pretty unusual
[14:22] <miyako> penguin42: I've done a lot of research into this the last few days, apparently it has to do with a specific interaction between the OpenGL rendering extensions that are being used for previewing accellerated qtquick UI widgets and the virtualbox 3D accellerated video drivers
[14:22] <penguin42> ah ok, that does make sense
[14:23] <miyako> since I'm doing game development just turning off OpenGL isn't really an option or I'd just do that
[14:24] <miyako> but as it stands right now the only dev environment I have that's actually working properly is my Windows 8 machine, and having to use windows for programming should be a violation of the geneva convention
[14:25] <penguin42> yeh, that's a bit grim
[17:34] <knitt1> I'm unable to boot with nvidia drivers under utopic
[17:34] <knitt1> i tried to install with software & updates
[17:35] <knitt1> (ubuntu gnome)
[17:35] <knitt1> nouveau forces my system to reboot unfortunately
[17:36] <knitt1> which was already happening under older versions of ubuntu as well
[17:37] <BluesKaj> knitt1, it;s the new kernel module that doesn't support nvidia , you obviously upgraded your kernel , it's not the desktop at fault. I have the dame problem and run KDE
[17:37] <BluesKaj> same
[17:38] <knitt1> BluesKaj: oh. I see. so I have two options: downgrade kernel or wait for an nvidia update?
[17:39] <BluesKaj> knitt1, what do you mean nouveau forces reboot , is the system crashing ?
[17:40] <knitt1> BluesKaj: screen freezes, and after a few seconds screen goes black and I'm at the POST screen of bios
[17:40] <BluesKaj> knitt1, or run with the older kernel , it works, I tried it
[17:41] <BluesKaj>  try 3.16.0-10 in grub knitt1
[17:41] <knitt1> BluesKaj: ok, I will try later
[17:42] <knitt1> so much stuff to re-install in a new system :)
[17:42] <knitt1> and also finally switched from x86 to amd64
[17:44] <BluesKaj> clean install to 64biit
[17:44] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:44] <knitt1> yes
[17:45] <knitt1> it was time
[17:45] <knitt1> I think x86 gets tested less and less :]
[17:45] <BluesKaj> most apps are 64 now, just a few 32 bit die hards still around
[17:48] <knitt1> I think nouveau is overwriting some memory it's not supposed to write to
[17:49] <knitt1> my VRAM is pretty limited, maybe that's a problem
[17:53] <BluesKaj> my nvidia card is entry level 8400gs  with 256mb memory and it wasn't a problem before the kernel upgrade , don't see how that should change if nouveau works almost as well as the 331 driver
[17:54] <knitt1> BluesKaj: well, it doesn't with my card. I had these problems with 14.04 too (and I think even with debian jessie)
[17:54] <knitt1> mine has 128M dedicated (displays as 256M in nvidia-settings)
[17:54] <knitt1> VRAM is almost always used 95% with nvidia proprietary drivers if I have a few firefox windows open
[17:54] <knitt1> and I'm only using a single monitor to keep VRAM usage low
[17:56] <penguin42> that should be fine
[17:57] <knitt1> 95% is fine?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42 , would you know if the nvidia recommended driver bug has been fixed ? I haven't seen any nvidia upgrades yet
[17:59] <knitt1> but crashen happen mainly when browsing images on the webz with firefox
[18:00] <BluesKaj> knitt1, could be a flash problem
[18:01] <knitt1> there's no flash most of the time
[18:02] <knitt1> sometimes I can trigger a reboot by going to the activities view of gnome-shell
[18:03] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I don't, I mostly run Radeon
[18:04] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ok
[18:04] <knitt1> or maybe my gpu gets too hot with nouveau?
[18:05] <knitt1> hm. 63 °C isn't too bad
[18:06] <knitt1> but my mouse is really really sluggisw …
[18:06] <knitt1> * sluggish right now
[18:21] <knitt1> hmmm. 3.16.0-10 with nvidia-304-updates boots with gallium llvmpipe and low resolution :( will try to install nvidia-331-updates and reboot
[18:21] <knitt1> suggested package nvidia-...-uvm – should I install it?
[18:23] <knitt1> but damn that last boot was fast :]
[18:26] <knitt1> meh. still nouveau :(
[18:26] <knitt1> do I still need to create an xorg.conf file?
[18:27] <knitt1> Xorg.0.log says: Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[18:27] <knitt1> am I missing something?
[18:28] <elfy> knitt1: I've just updated and upgraded in recovery mode - reinstalled nvidia and am booted with the newest kernel and nvidia
[18:28] <elfy> fixed package ubuntu-drivers-common - version <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:29] <knitt1> elfy: so a system upgrade should fix it for me?
[18:29] <elfy> possibly - I reinstalled the nvidia driver too
[18:29] <knitt1> which version exactly? and with CLI or with the software & updates gui?
[18:30] <elfy> version of what?
[18:30] <knitt1> nvidia driver
[18:30] <elfy> and I did it in recovery mode
[18:30] <elfy> well I use -331-updates - no idea what you use :)
[18:31] <knitt1> I tried several today, none worked :D
[18:31] <elfy> well they'd not have done ;)
[18:32] <knitt1> elfy: I don't have any updates to install :(
[18:32] <elfy> dpkg -l ubuntu-drivers-common
[18:34] <knitt1> maybe my ubuntu mirror lags behind
[18:34] <knitt1> ubuntu-drivers 1:0.2.98
[18:35] <elfy> knitt1: that's the current one - good
[18:35] <elfy> what nvidia card do you have
[18:36] <knitt1> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86GLM [Quadro FX 360M] (rev a1)
[18:37] <elfy> try nvidia-331-updates
[18:38] <knitt1> that's what I have installed right now
[18:38] <elfy> ok - and have you apt-get install --reinstall'd it?
[18:38] <knitt1> will try to reinstall: apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-331-updates
[18:38] <knitt1> I freshly installed it before the last reboot
[18:39] <knitt1> do I need the *-uvm package?
[18:42] <elfy> if it's saying it wants it
[18:42] <knitt1> ok, output of apt-get looks fine. dkms modules built for both kernel versions
[18:42] <elfy> right
[18:42] <knitt1> it's only in the "suggested packages" list
[18:42] <knitt1> "… contains unfied memory kernel module". hmm.
[18:43] <elfy> not installed here
[18:43] <knitt1> hm. switched mirrors to main server, and now I have an update for ubuntu-drivers-common
[18:44] <knitt1> let's update and then reinstall nvidia once gain
[18:44] <knitt1> * again
[18:44] <elfy> oops - fed you a bum steer there - read the 1 at the beginning at the end
[18:45] <elfy> ii  ubuntu-drivers 1:<IP_ADDRESS> <- here
[18:45] <knitt1> yup, have updated it now
[18:45] <knitt1> my local mirror lags behind
[18:45] <knitt1> will use the main server for further dev release testing :]
[18:45] <elfy> I'm in the uk - I use the main server
[18:48] <knitt1> will try reboot in a few minutes
[18:58] <knitt1> elfy: I must be doing something wrong. my Xorg.0.log still contains the line "Failed to load module "nvidia{" (module does not exist)"
[19:00] <elfy> mmm - not sure then
[19:00] <knitt1> will try older kernel once again
[19:00] <knitt1> also installing the -uvm package, maybe that helps
[19:01] <elfy> I'd just let it install what it wants to - I don't know what *buntu you're using either
[19:01] <knitt1> ubuntu gnome 14.10 fresh install from beta 1 live cd
[19:01] <knitt1> + updates
[19:02] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/bH4vHmF5
[19:02] <elfy> that's what versions I've got nvidia working with
[19:04] <knitt1> http://pastebin.com/wejbPXwx mine looks identical
[19:04] <elfy> yep
[19:07] <elfy> knitt1: really no idea what's going on, if you've done the same as me, updated/reinstalled it
[19:07] <elfy> sorry
[19:07] <knitt1> no problem. thanks for your help :)
[19:55] <knitt1> elfy: are you using upstart or systemd?
[19:55] <elfy> upstart at the moment
[19:56] <elfy> if you're using systemd - I have during this cycle had issues with upgrades to nvidia when using that - had to boot upstart to complete the job iirc
[19:56] <knitt1> ok. just booted with the -10 kernel again, still nouveau :(
[19:56] <knitt1> I'm on upstart too
[19:57] <knitt1> Xorg.0.log still says "module does not exist". weird
[19:57] <elfy> yea
[19:57] <elfy> did you purge nvidia at anytime?
[19:59] <elfy> perhaps - purge nvidia and autoremove the ones left
[19:59] <knitt1> not that I remember
[19:59] <elfy> then boot the -11 kernel and then reinstall nvidia
[19:59] <knitt1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1363675 same error in log, reported 1 day ago
[20:00] <elfy> I might well have purged nvidia amongst all the things I did over the weekend
[20:00] <knitt1> but I have that update already
[20:00] <knitt1> ok, I will do an apt-get purge nvidia-*
[20:01] <knitt1> and then after my next forced reboot I will reinstall 331-updates
[20:01] <knitt1> or maybe I'll try another version
[20:02] <elfy> knitt1: afaik it's -331, -current (which is -304 I believe) and -34something with xorg-edgers ppa
[20:03] <knitt1> I also have -173, -310 and -319 in my apt-get autocompletion list
[20:04] <elfy> 173 is legacy, not sure about the other 2
[20:06] <knitt1> maybe I have more luck with the legacy drivers
[20:06] <knitt1> after all my laptop is 6 years old
[20:07] <elfy> perhaps - but the driver list lists yours :)
[20:08] <elfy> I don't think you're the only one that's still having issues - someone on forum is still not booting properly
[20:09] <knitt1> at least I'm booting :)
[20:09] <knitt1> constantly :D
[20:10] <BluesKaj> knitt1, so is my desktop 6 yrs old , it seems the nvidia kernel module is being prevented from usage even tho it appears to be installed with 'glxinfo | grep openGL' , but 'lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D' shows the nouveau driver as in use]
[20:11] <knitt1> from xorg log I assume that the kernel module is either missing or cannot be found
[20:12] <knitt1> I have purged all nvidia* now
[20:12] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Has nvidia dropped support for your 6 year old card?
[20:12] <BluesKaj> knitt1, that shouldn't be necessary
[20:13] <knitt1> I'll wait for a few more days
[20:13] <BluesKaj> thecard isn;t 6 yrs old , but the pc is
[20:13] <elfy> BluesKaj: possibly not - but I was just going through what I'd done to get it working here :)
[20:14] <BluesKaj> think the nvidia kernel module is disabled
[20:15] <elfy> anyway - I'[ve gtg now - good luck knitt1 - I'll leave you to have fun :)
[20:48] <Zer000> so I'm on 14.10 and I did a partial distribution upgrade and lightdm won't start and I have to run startx manually. It's complaining about a missing unit file http://dpaste.com/2AE8NBX could someone help?
[20:49] <penguin42> why did you do a partial dist upgrade?
[20:49] <Zer000> penguin42, it asked me
[20:49] <Zer000> the automatic update thing I mean
[20:51] <penguin42> looks like some systemd stuff; my 14.10 upgrade box (that was upgraded very early) doesn't seem to be using systemd yet
[20:52] <Zer000> penguin42, could you please check if you have a directory /etc/systemd/user and if anything's in it?
[20:52] <penguin42> I have it, but there's nothing in it
[20:52] <usr13> I've never heard of a "partial dist upgrade"  Is that something that really exists?
[20:53] <usr13> ... or what is it ....?
[20:54] <Zer000> penguin42, ok
[20:54] <penguin42> Zer000: there seem to be a couple of bugs about that error message but they both seem to suggest it's a harmless error
[20:54] <penguin42> (note I'm running kubuntu not ubuntu, but it does have the systemd-logind stuff)
[20:59] <Zer000> usr13, well you know how the GUI prompts you to update packages? Once in a while it asks if I want to do a partial dist upgrade or "continue". This happened before and it just upgraded lots of packages (btw I was still on 14.10 it wasn't an actual upgrade). So I ran it again today and it just broke some stuff :(
[21:00] <penguin42> Zer000: What happens if you do an apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[21:00] <penguin42> Zer000: I wonder if it's some packages being held back for some reason
[21:00] <penguin42> but that shouldn't break anything
[21:01] <Zer000> penguin42, nothing. everything's up to date.
[21:02] <penguin42> Zer000: I'd have a dig about in /var/log/lightdm
[21:03] <darkangel> Hello is this a place to contact Ubuntu team at to discuss features that 1 is working on and such?
[21:04] <usr13> darkangel: Why don't you just ask a question and see if you get a response.
[21:18] <Zer000> penguin42, so lightdm was just crashing (segfaulting?) so I replaced it with xdm. It's fugly but it works!
[21:37] <penguin42> Zer000: Oh that shouldn't happen!


[14:41] <GridCube> hi, a user in #ubuntu-es was downloading an iso from ubuntu.com using the axel program, a wget-like terminal downloader, he says that the download stoped and he now cant connect to the ubuntu servers, its he for some reason "banned" to connect to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/precise/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[14:41] <GridCube> he says he cant connect to ubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org
[14:42] <GridCube> he gets a "connection timed out" message
[14:43] <JoseeAntonioR> GridCube: I think you should report this to #canonical-sysadmin
[14:43] <GridCube> JoseeAntonioR, :) ok, thanks


[04:53] <rezan_> i have samsung galaxy s4 and i wanted to install ubuntu .How do i do that ?
[04:54] <rezan_> i have samsung galaxy s4 and i wanted to install ubuntu .How do i do that ?
[04:54] <rezan_> Any Help ?
[04:56] <OerHeks> i guess not, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[06:13] <OhYash> hey
[06:13] <OhYash> how much disk space is required to build utouch?
[12:52] <david89> Hello. What is the correct way of launching a libertine program from the terminal application? libertine-launch is giving me DISPLAY errors.
[12:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> david89,  uhmm
[12:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> david89,  on which device ?
[13:24] <david89> SebthreeBQM10HD: The same tablet as yours
[15:51] <Elleo> popey: any idea if there's a max size the store accepts for clicks?
[18:03] <david89> Can the ubuntu touch store be browsed from a pc?
[18:03] <mimecar> no but you can use uappexplorer
[18:49] <PLA1> Hello.
[18:49] <PLA1> Installed Ubuntu SDK on several 16.04 machines and I can never get past these two issues seen in the paste bin URLs that follow. Using the Meanings html5 app in the tutorials as my test case.
[18:49] <PLA1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23133717/ (From M10 device)
[18:49] <PLA1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23133725/ (From desktop SDK build and validate)
[18:50] <PLA1> Any suggestions? TIA, PLA
[19:47] <dobey> david89, mimecar: yes it can. running the store scope under unity8 on a PC will work, but it will only show you apps that can be installed on that architecture
[19:48] <mimecar> you can not browse store with web browser, can't you?
[19:48] <mimecar> I didn't thinked on unity with store scope
[20:32] <popey> Elleo: I have no idea what the max it. I have 'tested' it a bit in the past, but I think the high limit was upped significantly back then
[20:44] <Elleo> popey: ah okay, I'm trying to get scummvm stuff working and was hoping to make packages for the freeware games like beneath a steel sky, flight of the amazon queen, etc. (they're likely to be >100mb each though)
[20:44] <popey> oh, thats fine
[20:44] <Elleo> okay, cool
[20:44] <popey> pretty sure we have some ~500MB ones and more
[20:45] <popey> looking at my archive, biggest one I see is 105MB actually
[20:46] <Elleo> yeah, well I expect these will come in around 150mbish
[20:48] <popey> should be okay
[20:49] <popey> Elleo: glad you got scummvm working. I had got it to the point where it launched, and played the games but didn't respond to input
[20:49] <Elleo> popey: yeah, I've hacked the SDL2 mir backend to emulate a mouse on touch input
[20:49] <popey> nice
[20:49] <popey> good work
[20:50] <Elleo> popey: and added some special shortcuts like 2 finger touch for right click, 3 fingers for F5 (brings up option menu in most games), 4 fingers for escape (skips cutscenes, etc.)
[20:50] <popey> oooh, looking forward to this!
[20:50] <popey> mcphail: ^
[20:50] <Elleo> but am having a bit of trouble with the mouse position not scaling right
[20:51] <Elleo> as the touch input covers the whole screen, but the game renderering doesn't fill the window
[20:51] <Elleo> trying to sort that out now, once that's done it should be usable
[20:52] <Elleo> oh and I still need to figure out how to get the scummvm vkeyboard stuff working
[20:52] <Elleo> mostly just for typing in save game names
[21:59] <krastavac> is there list of supported android devices?
[22:37] <PLA1> OK. Got my apps working again. 3 things I think made the difference.
[22:37] <PLA1> 1. "template": "ubuntu-webapp" is required in the security profile
[22:37] <PLA1> 2. Replaced "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-15.04.6" with "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-14.10-html".
[22:37] <PLA1> 3. Exec=ubuntu-app-launch --www=www $@ and Exec=ubuntu-html5-app-launch --www=www $@ have been obsoleted and I should have been using Exec=webapp-container $@ www/index.html
[22:37] <PLA1> Popey's blog entry saved me. http://popey.com/blog/2015/07/28/easily-port-mobile-html5-games-to-ubuntu-phone/  Thanks!
[22:56] <mcphail> Elleo: popey: nice. Scummvm has been on my "todo" list for too long already
[23:00] <Elleo> mcphail: almost have something usable now :)
[23:04] <mcphail> Elleo: are you using absolute positioning for the "mouse", or relative? If the latter, it might be possible to extend this to DOSbox etc
[23:04] <Elleo> mcphail: absolute positioning, so you can tap on stuff directly in the game
[23:05] <mcphail> Elleo: OK. I'll lodge a feature request for relative then :p
[23:05] <Elleo> hehe
[23:06] <Elleo> yeah, might have a play with relative positioning actually
[23:06] <Elleo> as it can be a bit fiddly otherwise
[23:07] <mcphail> Elleo: do you have any idea how we can use the native Ubuntu virtual keyboard as an input source for SDL games?
[23:08] <Elleo> mcphail: SDL has support for software input methods, we'd have to write an SDL IM module for maliit
[23:09] <mcphail> Elleo: is that a big task?
[23:10] <Elleo> mcphail: haven't really investigated it, probably not trivial though
[23:11] <mcphail> Elleo: I'd best get to bed, but keep up the good work. Would love to see more SDL stuff coming to the phone
[23:11] <dobey> scummvm supports scaling, so you should be able to scale it up and have it "just work"
[23:14] <Elleo> dobey: scummvm's scaling is a bit limited, it only has 2x or 3x scalers (of varying quality), plus the aspect ratio of games doesn't match the screen size on phones, so there'd always be some letter boxing
[23:15] <Elleo> dobey: I have the mouse positioning matching up now though anyway
[23:16] <popey> i found the same, also with dosbox
[23:36] <Elleo> mcphail: got relative positioning working, makes interaction a lot easier as you can use the area outside the game window to move the cursor without obscuring stuff now :)


[04:03] <vorlon> I'm cranking arm64/i386/amd64 up to full blast, given the remaining queue contents don't look like they should be i/o bound
[04:04] <vorlon> and I'll check in again before I turn in for the night
[17:48] <juliank> woohoo, all queues seem empty
[17:48] <juliank> * autopkgtest queues
[18:34] <vorlon> yep! now I move on to trying to figure out why the heck busybox ftbfs on s390x in Ubuntu but not Debian :P
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (disco-backports/universe) [189-1 => 192-1~ubuntu19.04.1] (no packageset)
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (cosmic-backports/universe) [189-1~ubuntu18.10.1 => 192-1~ubuntu18.10.1] (no packageset)
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (cosmic-backports) [192-1~ubuntu18.10.1]
[18:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (disco-backports) [192-1~ubuntu19.04.1]
[18:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (bionic-backports/universe) [189-1~ubuntu18.04.1 => 192-1~ubuntu18.04.1] (no packageset)
[18:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (bionic-backports) [192-1~ubuntu18.04.1]
[19:48] <acheronuk> did a email ever get sent saying eoan was open? I can't see one anywhere in a place I would expect
[20:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-9-cross [amd64] (eoan-proposed/main) [4ubuntu5] (ubuntu-desktop)
[20:22] <xnox> vorlon, well we are higher gcc abi level than debian.... zEC12 (us) vs z196 (debian)
[21:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-9-cross-ports [amd64] (eoan-proposed/universe) [3ubuntu5] (no packageset)
[22:02] <juliank> acheronuk: don't think so. It was never really closed (opening was super quick), though, but yes, it would probably be a good idea.


[03:08] <ChmEarl> LANG=C fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic binary-perarch
[03:08] <ChmEarl> ^ does this cmdline apply to noble kernel build?
[03:08] <ChmEarl> I have UBSAN cleared and going to build it
[03:09] <ChmEarl> took me 30 minutes to setup a buildroot
[03:16] <ChmEarl> where can I put the .config I want to use? in debian/ ?
[16:03] <ChmEarl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2044512
[16:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Launchpad bug 2044512 in linux (Ubuntu Noble) "Build failure if run in a console" [Medium, New]
[16:04] <ChmEarl> I get exactly this error and all the build objects are still there, any idea how I can rescue this build?
[16:50] <ChmEarl> https://pb.dynavirt.com/view/raw/54bf3a80
[21:10] <ChmEarl> all is well with the noble (UBSAN free) kernel build
[21:10] <ChmEarl> add -f to zstd in debian/rules.d/2-binary-arch.mk
[21:11] <ChmEarl> did the build in tmux too


[03:33] <myhrlin> Hi, this might be the wrong place to point this out but http://kernel.ubuntu.com/ seems to be down, would that be covered here?
[03:38] <stgraber> it's known
[03:39] <stgraber> (from #canonical-sysadmins' topic: Known issues: kernel.ubuntu.com is down)
[03:42] <myhrlin> ah ok
[03:42] <myhrlin> thanks
[08:54] <apw> j #canonical-sysadmins
[09:10] <njin> hallo guys, we have http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ broken
[09:17] <njin> balloons, up and running ?
[09:26] <njin> can someone tell me who to ask to repair http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ , thanks
[09:26]  * ppisati -> reboot
[09:27] <bjf> njin, the server is dead. the issue is being worked
[09:27] <njin> bjf, thanks to clarify
[09:27] <bjf> njin, np
[11:09] <ppisati> brb
[12:12] <ogra-cb> cking, do you happen to know if your power fixes were forward ported to the raring nexus7 kernel ?
[12:13] <ogra-cb> i at most get 2h out of the battery now
[12:13] <ogra-cb> and wlan got rather unstable with this kernel
[12:13] <cking> ogra-cb, there were no ARM specific kernel fixes, most of the issues are in userspace really
[12:14] <ogra-cb> hmm, k
[12:14] <cking> ogra-cb, 2 hours on the nexus 7? what are you doing to it?
[12:14] <ogra-cb> well, userspace really freaks out now, i see assively jumpy times in the battery applet
[12:15] <ogra-cb> cking, leaving it idling :P
[12:15] <cking> ogra-cb, I really would not trust the battery to give you any sane idea of power consumption, it's not very accurate
[12:16] <ogra-cb> well, i had over 7h with the old kerne;
[12:16] <cking> ogra-cb, run eventstat to check for stupid wakeup events
[12:16] <ogra-cb> and definitely no jumpy times displayed
[12:16] <ogra-cb> it hops from 1h to 17h etc
[12:16] <ogra-cb> up and down all the way
[12:16] <cking> ogra-cb, yeah, so I was getting 12 hours on idle, 7 hours on fully loaded CPUs
[12:16] <ogra-cb> and afyet 2h it shuts down
[12:17] <ogra-cb> it also seems to get warmer but that might be a subjective impression
[12:17] <ogra-cb> s/afyet/after/
[12:18] <ogra-cb> and when walking through the house it fails to properly roam wlaan APs and goes into re-connects all the time
[12:18] <cking> ogra-cb, perhaps it's wifi that is sucking all the power. turn it off and see what difference that makes
[12:18] <ogra-cb> (it reconnects fine though, just didnt do so many reconnects with the former kernel)
[12:18] <ogra-cb> ah, good idea
[12:19] <ogra-cb> oh, the power manager battery overview doesnt update properly either btw
[12:20] <cking> ogra-cb, well, that is surprising, I will have to install the latest images and see what's borked
[12:20] <ogra-cb> the raring image is a bit tricky to handle but should install fine
[12:20] <ogra-cb> (massive UI bugs atm)
[12:21] <cking> sigh
[12:21] <cking> oh, well, ssh is fine for me
[12:22] <ogra-cb> well, ctrl-alt-t works to get a terminal and onboard works
[12:22] <ogra-cb> so you can indeed instal openssh-server
[12:22] <cking> ogra-cb, that's my modus operandi
[12:22] <ogra-cb> :)
[12:25] <ogra-cb> xnox, bug 1080437
[12:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080437 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "no background during the 13.04 daily install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080437
[12:31] <cking>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S  %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[12:31] <cking>  2881 king      20   0 1302m  90m  28m S  31.6  1.6   1:12.71 compiz
[12:31] <cking>  9228 king      20   0  713m  96m  29m R  19.6  1.7   3:55.91 plugin-containe
[12:31] <cking> ouch, my CPU is on fire just rendering
[12:31] <xnox> ogra-cb: bug 1078226
[12:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1078226 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "raring daily: background & lightdm look as if they are in 8bit greyscale mode" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078226
[12:32] <xnox> ogra-cb: this is in KVM, not sure about the other bug reporter.
[12:32] <xnox> will test nexus7 and try to see what's going on.
[12:33] <ogra-cb> nexus7 shows a clearly distroted wallpaper during install
[12:33] <ogra-cb> but i assume the framebugger is just not clean at that point, else it would show black
[12:34] <ogra-cb> heh, funny typo ... framebuffer indeed
[12:42] <ogra-cb> err, oops, i though i was in -installer with the last bits, sorry for the noise
[13:02] <asac> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ doesnt exist anymore?
[13:02] <asac> or just temporary outage?
[13:09] <fmoreau> hello, I'm trying to retrieve the source code of the kernel for N7 device, but it's failing:
[13:09] <fmoreau> $ LC_ALL=C git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/hwe/ubuntu-nexus7.git
[13:09] <fmoreau> kernel.ubuntu.com[0: <IP_ADDRESS>]: errno=Connection refused
[13:09] <fmoreau> could anybody help me please ?
[13:10] <rtg> fmoreau, that server is temporarily down
[13:11] <fmoreau> rtg: ah... thanks. Is there any alternative ?
[13:11] <rtg> fmoreau, checking, perhaps github but I'm not sure.
[13:13] <Kano> hi, whats up with your server?
[13:14]  * ogra-cb grins
[13:14] <ogra-cb> Kano, you are the third to ask within 20 min
[13:15] <rtg> apw, are you cloning the N7 kernel on people.c.c ? I don't have it in the github pile.
[13:15] <rtg> Kano, server is down.
[13:15] <Kano> ogra-cb: well then put it into the topic
[13:15]  * ogra-cb has no such powers
[13:16] <apw> rtg checking
[13:19] <apw> rtg, nope, whats your tip commit, so i can see if i at least have the original
[13:20] <rtg> apw, 7377da8f921463728ee8196186dc5b5a997a9fda UBUNTU: Ubuntu-3.1.10-8.14
[13:21] <apw> commit 7377da8f921463728ee8196186dc5b5a997a9fda
[13:21] <apw> nice ... ok so at least i have a valid copy
[13:21] <Kano> 3.1.10?
[13:22] <rtg> apw, looks like I was the last uploader, so that should be right
[13:22] <rtg> Kano, nexus 7 kernel
[13:23] <apw> rtg and it matches the appropriate version
[13:59] <fmoreau> rtg: did you find any alternatives on github (sorry if I missed a previous post but I've been disconnected) ?
[14:03] <rtg> fmoreau, not for the N7 kernel
[14:04] <Kano> N10 later?
[14:05] <rtg> Kano, dunno
[14:27] <apw> fmoreau, ok i think i have managed to push that nexus7 branch to our archive github repo
[14:27] <apw> fmoreau, https://github.com/Canonical-kernel/Ubuntu-kernel/commits/ubuntu-nexus7-master
[14:28]  * henrix -> (late) lunch
[14:29] <fmoreau> apw: thanks !
[15:37] <arges> sforshee, hey. have you had any issues installing 32-bit quantal on macbook airs? i'm looking at bug 1082059 which involves eficross
[15:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1082059 in linux (Ubuntu) "default quantal kernel does not boot my macbook air" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1082059
[15:38] <sforshee> arges, I saw that one. I haven't tried 32-bit in a while, but I'm pretty sure what he's trying to do isn't a supported configuration at this time.
[15:39] <arges> sforshee, ok how would I find out if it is supported or not? is this unsupported in the firmware?
[15:41] <sforshee> arges, what I suspect is unsupported is native EFI boot to a 32-bit kernel. I can't swear to it though. Maybe cjwatson would know?
[15:45] <cking> 32 bit with EFI is not going to fly is it?
[15:47] <rtg> ogasawara, smb, sconklin, apw, bjf, herton, henrix: I would wait until we know zinc is officially back before attempting any git pushes.
[15:47] <ogasawara> rtg: ack
[15:47] <sconklin> ok
[15:47] <apw> rtg, ack
[15:47] <henrix> rtg: ack
[15:49] <bjf> rtg, ack
[15:50] <herton> rtg, ack
[15:50] <sforshee> cking, if you look at the bug there's a patch referenced that's trying to fix problems with that use case, so someone seems to be trying to make it work
[15:51] <rtg> ogasawara, smb, sconklin, apw, bjf, herton, henrix: #is says zinc is officially back, though I'm concerned about the cause.
[15:54] <arges> sforshee, yea working on a cherry-pick building now
[15:54] <arges> not too many conflicts
[15:57] <fmoreau> apw: trying to clone the repository you pointed out: fatal: https://github.com/Canonical-kernel/Ubuntu-kernel/commits/ubuntu-nexus7-master/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
[15:59] <apw> fmoreau, i don't think that is a cloneable url, it points to something you get get those from
[15:59] <apw> fmoreau, i would also not recommend cloning that as it is massive, make an empty repo, add it as a remote, and fetch just that one branch
[16:00] <fmoreau> apw: stupid me :)
[16:00] <fmoreau> sorry for the noise
[16:00] <fmoreau> apw: will use --reference
[16:00] <apw> it will still be humungous i am sure
[16:00] <rtg> about 4.5GB
[16:05] <apw> thught it would be indded.  just take the one branch, must smaller
[16:06] <SpamapS> smb`: Nov 24 22:32:43 clint-MacBookAir kernel: [131886.042747] unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 15
[16:06] <SpamapS> cking: ^^
[16:06] <SpamapS> 3.5.0-18.29
[16:06] <SpamapS> it almost seems *worse* now with 3.5.0-18.29
[16:07] <cking> bah, that's not good news
[16:07] <apw> did we commit a fix for that issue, i didn't realise
[16:07] <cking> it's SRU's
[16:07] <cking> SRU'd even
[16:07] <apw> amazing :)
[16:07] <SpamapS> note, usage count = 15
[16:07] <SpamapS> previously, it was = 1 or = 2
[16:13] <cking> SpamapS, that fix is in master-next but not released yet
[16:15] <apw> rtg, when we made linux-lts-quantal it stopped Provides: linux-image ... is there any good reason for this that you recall
[16:15] <rtg> apw, no
[16:16] <apw> rtg, seems we need it to allow that kernel to be the only kernel one has for the CDs... so i'll fix that then
[16:16] <cking> SpamapS, I believe the ref count badness is due to how fragmented data gets, so it may vary on the unfixed kernel
[16:16] <rtg> apw, except that it _doesn't_ provide linux-image
[16:17] <apw> rtg its linux-images-*'s are linux-image's as much as any other?  arn't they ?
[16:17] <rtg> apw, don't they have lts-quantal in the name ? I can't remember
[16:17] <apw> rtg, not the final binaries i don't think no
[16:18] <rtg> apw, go ahead and fix it then
[16:18] <apw> and whatever they are called, they are 'linux-image' compatible right?  whcih is the point of the provides
[16:18] <apw> linux-image-3.5.0-19-generic | 3.5.0-19.30 | quantal-proposed | amd64, i386
[16:18] <apw> linux-lts-quantal | 3.5.0-18.29~precise1 | precise-updates | source
[16:18] <apw> so either way they are linux-image-*
[16:19] <rtg> apw, seems right
[16:19] <apw> something off with rmadison output there
[16:19] <apw> linux-image-3.5.0-18-generic | 3.5.0-18.29~precise1 | precise-updates | amd64, i386
[16:19] <apw> linux-image-3.5.0-19-generic | 3.5.0-19.30~precise1 | precise-proposed | amd64, i386
[16:19] <apw> linux-lts-quantal | 3.5.0-18.29~precise1 | precise-updates | source
[16:19] <apw> linux-lts-quantal | 3.5.0-19.30~precise1 | precise-proposed | source
[16:19] <apw> better ...
[16:19] <apw> ok goood ... will do
[16:24] <apw> rtg, zinc is still on hold our side rigght ?
[16:25] <apw> i am asking pinky to check the remote power works while they are there
[16:25] <apw> modulo everyone still not using it
[16:27] <rtg> apw, he told me it is officially online, so I assume he's not gonna try power cycling again
[16:27] <SpamapS> cking: ok, I'll try quantal-proposed
[16:27] <apw> rtg, just talking to him now, they think it is configued right, but they haven't tested the remote proceedure
[16:27] <apw> rtg, i think it would be worth doing while they are there in case it is not correct
[16:27] <rtg> apw, seems like they ought to figure that out while he is there
[16:27] <fmoreau> apw: I finally ended up to download a zip containing the head of the nexus branch, it's only 120Mo.
[16:28] <cking> SpamapS, the fix will land after Ubuntu-3.5.0-19.30, so you need to wait a while for the fix
[16:29] <apw> rtg, ok they are going to test and confirm now
[16:30] <SpamapS> cking: :(
[16:30] <SpamapS> cking: thanks for the info
[16:30] <cking> SpamapS, but if you are stuck, continue to use that debug version I built for you until the fix is released
[16:31] <SpamapS> cking: not stuck, just :( for the users.
[16:32] <rtg> apw, ack
[16:33] <cking> SpamapS,  /me nods, well, the process takes a while for a release because we need to test to ensure all the fixes don't cause regressions
[16:34] <SpamapS> cking: +1000 for that
[16:34] <SpamapS> just :( .. its not a >: at you, or the process. Just a :(
[16:56] <fmoreau> sigh... unzipping the archive: "symlink error: File name too long"
[17:04]  * ppisati_ -> gym
[17:20] <rtg> apw, ogasawara: pushed 3.7-rc7 rebase. still doing build and boot tests
[17:20] <ogasawara> rtg: ack
[17:28] <myhrlin> hello, would the kernel packages at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.7-rc1-quantal/ be decent to use for a production server?
[17:28] <apw> myhrlin, test kernels for production, and from an -rc1 at that, no
[17:28] <rtg> myhrlin, emphatically no
[17:28] <myhrlin> oh, sad day
[17:28] <myhrlin> ok
[17:29] <myhrlin> wait, so ubuntu-modified kernel 3.6.7 isn't... oh wait I linked the wrong one
[17:29] <myhrlin> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.6.7-raring/
[17:29] <apw> all of the kernels in the mainline archive are there for testing and are unsupported
[17:29] <myhrlin> I was assuming since kernel.org has 3.6.7 as stable that the ubuntu-modified one would also be stable
[17:29] <Kano> what option would disable the .tar.gz build?
[17:33] <jwi> myhrlin: "ubuntu-modified"?
[17:34] <myhrlin> well, isn't it modified when `make menuconfig` has an option for ubuntu specific options?
[17:35] <myhrlin> I thought that was the case, but I'm basing that off a config from... a few version ago, I don't remember the specific version I used at that time
[17:38] <myhrlin> oh, my fault.  Just now checked it for 3.2.31, it's just a menu for " Ubuntu Supplied Third-Party Device Drivers"
[17:39] <myhrlin> I honestly thought ubuntu had a heaviliy modified kernel
[17:42] <jwi> myhrlin: the /mainline kernels are built from {linus',stable} trees - vanilla, no ubuntu toppings.
[18:52] <arges> smb`, hello
[18:53] <arges> just a general xen question... if I boot with a xen dom0 ubuntu kernel, would I expect certain CPU features to be disabled?
[18:57] <rtg> ogasawara, apw, bjf: test kernels at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/3.7-rc7.1
[18:57] <bjf> rtg, ack
[18:57] <ogasawara> rtg: ack, I'll throw it on my kit here
[18:58] <apw> rtg ack
[19:03]  * rtg -> lunch
[19:18]  * henrix -> EOD
[19:40] <infinity> hggdh: I hear you should be unstuck for armadaxp regression testing?
[19:40] <infinity> arges: That depends on the release, probably.
[19:46] <arges> infinity, yea trying to verify 979003 and I notice that booting with xen raring kernel avx isn't present (so can't reproduce the bug)
[19:47] <arges> xen raring dom0 that is
[19:49] <infinity> On hardware with AVX?
[19:49] <infinity> That's a mistake, if so...
[19:49] <infinity> smb`: You around?
[19:49] <arges> infinity, i think he has the day off
[19:49] <infinity> Check.  We should bug him later.
[19:49] <arges> infinity, i'll ping him tomorrow
[19:49] <infinity> It may be that he hard disabled AVX to work around the glibc issues, but we should be backing that out (from all releases) if we're fixing glibc.
[19:50] <arges> agreed
[20:08] <rudimeyer> I'm experiencing a problem with the handling of virtual block devices (Xen) in kernels version 3.0 (Ubuntu 11.10) and 3.2 (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS) - but in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with kernel 2.6.32 the error is not present…   How do I go by reporting this the best?
[20:09] <rudimeyer> Kernel 3.0 and 3.2 does not handle the detachment of a virtual block device that well (hang/freeze)
[20:43] <jtb1> hi! is there a way to get the linux-tools for the kernels from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ?
[20:43] <myhrlin> kernel 3.6.8 is out :D
[20:43] <myhrlin> jtb1: linux-tools?
[20:44] <jtb1> myhrlin: perf, turbostat, x86_energy_perf_policy etc
[20:44] <myhrlin> ah ok
[20:44] <myhrlin> I'll leave that for someone else, I have no idea
[20:45] <jtb1> k, thx anyway ;)
[21:56]  * rtg -> EOD
[22:43] <arges> jsalisbury, hey.
[22:44] <arges> jsalisbury, if a linux bugtask is fixed in raring by a patch in upstream, should I mark the raring bugtask as 'Fix Released' or something else?
[22:48] <bjf> arges, is that fix in our currently "released" kernel ?
[22:49] <bjf> arges, or another way to ask ... which rc is it fixed in?
[23:12] <arges> bjf, yes assuming it is. that patch is in a released kernel
[23:12] <arges> bjf, but we didn't actively apply the fix, it was just already in upstream
[23:12] <bjf> arges, then yes, you can mark it "fix released"
[23:13] <bjf> arges, that status isn't meant just for bugs we fix
[23:13] <bjf> arges, it indicates, "this bug has been fixed and is available via a released kernel"
[23:13] <arges> bjf, that's what I figured, just wanted to make sure
[23:13] <bjf> ack
[23:13] <arges> thanks
[23:14] <bjf> np


[00:11] <ScottK> a|wen: Would you have time to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kairmode ? We want it for Kubuntu Netbook before feature freeze.
[00:22] <neversfelde> koffice 47 %, I guess this will last till tomorrow
[00:24] <neversfelde> ScottK: I was on a vacation for three weeks and I am not up to date anymore. Was kontrolpack backported?
[00:26] <neversfelde> I remember, that you acked it, but I am not sure
[00:26] <Riddell> backports seem to be broken currently
[00:26] <Riddell> the mass-sync script doesn't work for them
[00:26] <Riddell> feel free to do it manually and I'll approve tomorrow
[00:28] <neversfelde> might be the problem
[00:30] <neversfelde> afair there was also no answer in the plasma-widget-plasmaboard vs. kvkbd thread, I think we should keep kvkbd for karmic and probably switch to the widget if it  reach KDE officiallly
[00:31] <Riddell> neversfelde: what do you base that on?
[00:35] <neversfelde> Riddell: both applications are very similar and afaik we do not need the space for karmic?
[00:36] <neversfelde> if the widget goes official KDE, we should switch for karmic +1
[00:37] <Riddell> ok, one less MIR :)
[00:40] <neversfelde> I have a german Howto for disabled persons, who are using KDE on my todo, but this will last till karmic +1. It is important, but very difficult, so I guess, we should use kvkbd in karmic
[00:56]  * shtylman eating done...time to get to work :)
[00:57] <shtylman> me amarok still does't produce sound...its very upsetting
[00:57] <shtylman> actually...I don't think pulse works at all for me.. heh
[01:02] <Riddell> shtylman: remove pulse is the usual answer
[01:02] <shtylman> Riddell: I concur... what do I install in its stead?
[01:03] <Riddell> nothing
[01:04] <shtylman> oh... I think you lost me...
[01:04] <shtylman> oh nvm
[01:04] <shtylman> you are right...
[01:04] <Riddell> KDE is perfectly able to just send its sound to linux
[01:04] <shtylman> no pulse = working
[01:04] <shtylman> :)
[01:04] <shtylman> thanks
[01:04] <Riddell> shtylman: Feature freeze on thursday, are you able to get the slideshow in?
[01:04] <shtylman> the functionality is there in the installer
[01:05] <shtylman> you just need the package that installs the slides to the right location
[01:05] <shtylman> and the installer will use them
[01:05] <shtylman> I can make a quick copy of the gtk slideshow slides and put in some kde-centric stuff for now
[01:05] <shtylman> to get it in before freeze
[01:05] <Riddell> that would be good
[01:05] <shtylman> so we have the ubiquity-slideshow-kde package
[01:06] <shtylman> k...I will do that...and also get my keyboard thing in before the freeze
[01:06] <shtylman> cause that is a *feature*
[01:06] <Riddell> lovely
[01:06] <shtylman> past that...everything else in the installer will be touchup work
[01:06] <Riddell> shtylman: doing the dialogues?
[01:07] <shtylman> you mean themeing for better look?
[01:07] <Riddell> yes
[01:07] <Riddell> we could say that's artwork rather than a a feature
[01:07] <shtylman> yea...I have a few files where I did test runs...and I think I can handle the situation with compositing on and off gracefully enough to try it out
[01:07] <shtylman> k
[01:08] <Riddell> snoozing
[01:08] <shtylman> yea...it is more on the artwork side...ish...there would have to be minimal and non-invasive code changes for it to work
[02:26] <lex79> ScottK: did you upload akonadi-googledata? seems not....
[02:39] <yuriy> pyqt4 seems broken in karmic
[02:41] <yuriy> http://pastebin.com/d4dea6020
[02:41] <yuriy> or pykde4 i guess
[02:43] <yuriy> oh feature freeze is not past yet?
[02:44]  * yuriy should really get userconfig in, so ^^
[02:46] <lex79> yuriy: did you see if in your system there is /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins/kde4.py ?
[02:48] <yuriy> hmm there is
[03:05] <yuriy> it's a symlink to /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyKDE4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py which is there as well
[03:10] <lex79> yuriy: so you have a old version of kdebindings, I fixed this issue yesterday, try to upgrade :)
[03:10] <lex79> the correct symlink is:
[03:10] <lex79> /usr/share/python-qt4/widget-plugins/kde4.py -> ../../../lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py
[03:11] <lex79> and not PyKDE4/uic//widget-plugins/kde4.py
[03:13] <yuriy> lex79: sorry symlink is correct, but the PyQt4 dir doesn't exist (didn't notice i was lsing the wrong thing because of tab completion)
[03:14] <lex79> are you sure? have you kdebindings 4.3.0-0ubuntu3 ?
[03:15] <yuriy> ubuntu2
[03:16] <yuriy> all updated though. maybe it just hasn't hit my mirror
[03:16] <lex79> yuriy: upgrade and check it again if works
[03:16] <lex79> ah
[03:16] <yuriy> i'll see tomorrow, sorry for the fuss
[03:17] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings
[03:17] <lex79> no problem :)
[04:13] <ScottK> lex79: I uploaded it and it got rejected.
[04:13] <lex79> oh :( why?
[04:13] <ScottK> Copyright stuff.  fabo says it's fixed, I just need to lay my hands on the fixed package.
[04:13]  * ScottK looks for it.
[04:14] <lex79> ok
[04:14] <ScottK> Gotta remember where I got the last one.
[04:24] <ScottK> lex79: Tarball is here: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kdetrunk/pool/main/a/akonadi-googledata/akonadi-googledata_1.0.orig.tar.gz
[04:24] <ScottK> I guess I'll fish the packaging out of their svn and see what I can do with it.
[04:25] <lex79> ok thanks
[04:27] <lex79> yes it's fixed in svn http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/akonadi-googledata/trunk/debian/changelog
[04:27] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:27] <ScottK> I need to get boot speed testing going on this mini 10v first.
[04:30] <lex79> eheheh, you have fun :)
[06:02] <ScottK> Riddell: As promised, here's a stack of bootcharts from a Dell mini 10v with SSD runing Kubuntu Netbook Edition http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/bootcharts/
[06:02] <ScottK> The first couple I had some non-standard stuff running that I killed.
[06:03] <ScottK> They were all (except probably the last one) done with autologin enabled.
[06:07] <MsMaco> ScottK: is a new quassel coming soon?
[06:07] <MsMaco> theyve apparently a new quassel core protocol
[06:07] <ScottK> MsMaco: Yes.  0.5 should get baked tomorrow or Wed.
[06:07] <MsMaco> "protocol 10"
[06:07] <MsMaco> ok
[06:07] <MsMaco> thanks
[06:07] <ScottK> Yep.  So I'm not updating the snapshot now until we get 0.5 so I can put it in backports too.
[06:08] <ScottK> So that way people running cores on jaunty/Intrepid get the same version.
[06:08] <MsMaco> ok. jussi01 already updated his core
[06:08] <MsMaco> so my client is yelling at me
[06:11] <ScottK> It should be just a matter of grabbing the new tarball from github (there's a link on the download page), copying over the debian dir and adding a new debian/changelog entry to update it.
[06:45] <a|wen> ScottK: kairmode review done; there was some issues though ... one of you, ping me when a new one is up, and i'll look at it again
[07:01] <jussi01> MsMaco: sorry, forgot to tell you... :(
[10:49] <ghostcube> goooooooooood mooooooooooooorning problems ....
[10:49] <ghostcube> :)
[10:49] <ghostcube> huhu
[12:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my bootcharts I linked to last night?
[12:50] <Riddell> ScottK: yes not studied them yet
[12:50] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Just wanted to make sure you had them.
[12:50] <Riddell> there seem to be two kdm processes
[12:51] <ScottK> Odd.
[12:51] <ScottK> I didn't really study them beyond making sure nothing obviously non-standard was showing up on them (the first two have Postfix in it and it was affecting the results)
[12:52] <Riddell> there's about 1.5 seconds between the kdm processes, dunno if one is the greeter
[12:52] <Riddell> it could be kdm_greet
[12:53] <Riddell> ScottK: might be worth putting `ksplashx Default` into /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup and seeing where that shows up
[12:54] <ScottK> OK.
[13:11] <ScottK> Riddell: It wouldn't boot.
[13:11] <ScottK> Hung starting the KDE session with the picture of the disk drive showing, but whatever comes next never appeared.
[13:14] <Riddell> nixternal: I packaged and uploaded your feedback plasmoid
[13:14] <Riddell> I'll try and get that set up on my server shortly
[13:15] <Riddell> ScottK: err really, it just froze?
[13:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Yep.  I left it there for over 5 minutes
[13:15] <Riddell> you can't click on it to make it go away?
[13:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: Was the feedback plasmoid python? If so, mind pinging me when you get the source up so I can try to get the -facebook one done?
[13:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: facebook is in too :)
[13:15] <ScottK> What "it" am I supposed to have to click on?
[13:15] <Riddell> ScottK: the large splashs creen
[13:16] <Riddell> ryanakca: I also wrote https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPlasmaWidgetFacebook since I think it would be good on the CD
[13:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll try again.  Honestly I didn't fiddle with it.
[13:16] <ScottK> The boot chart looks the same, btw.
[13:16] <Riddell> ScottK: doesn't it show when ksplashx starts?
[13:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ah, it's already done? Great
[13:17] <ScottK> Riddell: What am I looking for to know it's running?
[13:17] <ScottK> I got what looked like a regular usplash.
[13:18] <Riddell> ScottK: well ksplashx is the thing with the hard disk, currently you'd need to click on it to get it to disappear and show KDM
[13:18] <ScottK> OK
[13:18] <ScottK> I'll try that.
[13:18] <Riddell> and the question is how soon before kdm_greet does ksplashx start
[13:18] <Riddell> and how longer after KDM itself starts does ksplashx get started
[13:19] <Riddell> freeflying: I'd like to get plasma-widget-kimpanel tidied up and in the archive, have you tested that it works?
[13:20]  * ScottK reboots.
[13:23] <ScottK> Riddell: It booted after I clicked on it.
[13:23] <ScottK> err clicked.  as there's no mouse to aim the spot to click
[13:26] <Riddell> freeflyi2g: ping
[13:27] <Riddell> ScottK: yes that's expected, that'll need some code to work around
[13:27] <freeflying> Riddell: pong
[13:28] <Riddell> freeflying: I'd like to get plasma-widget-kimpanel tidied up and in the archive, have you tested that it works?
[13:29] <freeflying> Riddell: it work with scim only
[13:29] <Riddell> freeflying: why not ibus?  now version?
[13:30] <freeflying> Riddell: ibus was re-implemented with c, but kimpanel work with their python's
[13:30] <Riddell> ok thanks
[13:31] <Riddell> but should be useful for scim at least
[13:31] <freeflying> Riddell: yup
[13:31] <Riddell> freeflying: do you know if kimpanel is still being developed and if anyone is going to make it work with the new ibus?
[13:32] <freeflying> Riddell: I talked with ibus upstream maybe 2 month ago, they said if used really need such one, they will consider of it
[13:32] <Riddell> yes please :)
[13:32] <freeflying> :)
[13:34] <freeflying> Riddell: btw, a package is in Debain New Queue, can I upload it directly now
[13:34] <Riddell> oh interesting
[13:35] <Riddell> freeflying: can you just upload that to ubuntu then?  I'd like to get it in before feature freeze
[13:35] <Riddell> freeflying: is fcitx any use?
[13:36] <freeflying> Riddell: some user from china prefer to use fcitx
[13:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I added some more boot charts to the same place.  The last one is the one with ksplashx enabled, but I don't see it.
[13:38] <Riddell> freeflying: no kimpanel in http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[13:39] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, that's strange
[13:40] <freeflying> Riddell: I'm not mean kinpanel :)
[13:41] <freeflying> Riddell: actually, the author hope it can be morged into kdebase or some place like this, thats why didn't push this package so much
[13:41] <Riddell> yeah but that won't happen for karmic
[13:41] <freeflying> Riddell: if you think its worth, I can upload it
[13:42] <freeflying> Riddell: but arne changed the default IM to ibus
[13:42] <ScottK> Riddell: I think bootchart is quitting too soon.   There must be some knob I need to turn.
[13:42] <freeflying> just wonder how many users will use it untill ibus's panel get done
[13:44] <Riddell> Comment[fr]=Un panneau générique de messagerie instantanée
[13:44] <Riddell> agateau: I think the KDE french translators are getting confused between Instant Messeging and Input Methods :)
[13:45] <agateau> Riddell: oh
[13:45] <agateau> I am having dinner with french translator coordinator tonight, I'll pass the message :)
[13:45] <Riddell> freeflying: some people will probably still use scim?  especially if it's integrated with KDE?
[13:50] <freeflying> Riddell: yes
[13:50] <freeflying> Riddell: but kimpanel still need user to configure it manually before they can use it
[13:51] <Riddell> mm, right
[13:51] <Riddell> freeflying: so maybe one for the DVD rather than the CD then
[13:53] <freeflying> Riddell: considerable
[13:53] <Riddell> agateau: I changed the comment to "Comment=A generic input method panel for Oriental languages" although this may be just as confusing since Oriental means something else in French
[13:54] <agateau> Riddell: what do you assume "Oriental" means in French?
[13:54] <Riddell> agateau: Middle East no?
[13:55] <agateau> Oriental[en] = Oriental[fr]
[13:55] <agateau> Middle East[en] = Moyen Orient[fr]
[13:55] <Riddell> ah, tres bien
[13:55] <agateau> so it should be ok :)
[13:55] <agateau> you are getting good at this french thing!
[13:57] <Riddell> je suis terrible a francais
[13:58] <agateau> :)
[13:58] <agateau> s/a/en/
[14:05] <Riddell> freeflying: I tidied up the packaging of plasma-widget-kimpanel and uploaded
[14:06] <freeflying> Riddell: great
[14:12] <MsMaco> are you saying i have to learn a new way to type in japanese?
[14:12] <MsMaco> oh yeah, by the way, why does ctrl+shift+u not do anything in kde apps?
[14:14] <Riddell> what should it do?
[14:25] <Riddell> maco_: what should it do?
[14:35] <maco_> unicode input
[14:37] <maco_> i thought it was an X thing, but it seems not to work on kde apps
[14:37] <maco_> which leaves me wondering how you type in unicode on kde apps
[14:38] <maco_> in gtk ones, i think ctrl+shift+u and then type in the hex code for the unicode (ex 267a for a recycling icon) and then hit enter and it converts to that unicode character
[14:39] <ScottK> Riddell: If you aren't done with your archive duties for the day, I just reuploaded akonadi-googledata with fabo's latest licensing fixes and it could use some New.
[14:39] <Riddell> I havn't even started my archive duties for the day :)
[14:39] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:41] <Riddell> maco_: hmm, I don't know
[14:47] <Guest49177> I had a problem recently with kde 4.3 todo with the 3rd party 'suse free space notifier' system service.
[14:48] <ScottK> Then you should probably ask them about it.
[14:48] <Guest49177> kded4 was running at 100%
[14:48] <Guest49177> scottK, it is bundled with kde 4.3 by default
[14:48] <Guest49177> and I have done some tests
[14:49] <ScottK> I see.
[14:49] <Guest49177> with a small home folder on a 'normal' speed hard drive the performance problems are not noticeable
[14:49] <Guest49177> kded4 runs at a cool 4% cpu
[14:50] <Guest49177> but when I mount either a large external hard drive (500GB), kded4 goes crazy at 100%.
[14:50] <Guest49177> I tried leaving it for up to 6 hours but it does not settle
[14:50] <ScottK> OK.  Unlikely anything we did to it, so your best bet is to file a bug upstream and discuss it with them directly.
[14:50] <Guest49177> killing kded4, unmounting the disk, restarting kde fixes the problem
[14:51] <Guest49177> ScottK, yes, I have already submitted a bug report
[14:51] <ScottK> good.
[14:51] <Guest49177> but I just wanted to make you guys awhere of it since it is not a 'required' service... it's a 3rd party plugin from suse that is by no means essential and it should be removed from kubuntu in the meantime
[14:52] <Riddell> I'd rather find a fix, I find it very useful myself
[14:52] <Guest49177> I spent some time looking at the code and there is one massive loop in it!
[14:52] <Riddell> Guest49177: where did you report a bug?
[14:52] <Guest49177> it makes kded4 totally unresponsive... you can't even log out
[14:52] <Guest49177> with novell
[14:53] <Guest49177> it's new account so they say they have to verify it before it will be submitted
[14:53] <Riddell> hmm, typical
[14:53] <Guest49177> and since kded4 is unresponsive you can't disable it under system services
[14:53] <Riddell> I see they have some changes so I can update to the latest version from them
[14:54] <Riddell> Guest49177: are you running karmic?
[14:54] <Guest49177> Riddell, no sorry,
[14:54] <Guest49177> just the backports
[14:54] <Guest49177> but it's similiar version
[14:54] <Guest49177> I checked
[14:54] <Guest49177> latest kde
[14:54] <Guest49177> 4.3.0
[14:55] <Guest49177> it's also very noticable with a moderate size usb pen full of mp3... I mounted my 20Gb pen drive and had same problem
[14:58] <Guest49177> I have noticed a few people in #kubuntu reporting similiar problems (not being able to logout)... general sluggishness, etc... I would be my wifes knickers that they are experiencing the same problem
[14:59]  * Sime_ just ordered an Intel 80GB SSD.
[15:03] <Guest49177> Riddell, do you want me to test the latest version
[15:03] <Guest49177> I would be happy todo so on my laptop
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you take a look at bug 406881 and bug 406881 today?
[15:04] <Riddell> Guest49177: yes but I can't look at it immediately, can you stick around?
[15:04]  * Guest49177 loves his slotted laptop hard drive
[15:04] <Guest49177> are you here most days?
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Plan for kadu-- maybe employ the service of ancient monks?
[15:05] <Riddell> Guest49177: I'm always here
[15:05] <ScottK> OK, I was hoping for something like "I had it updated, so I'm going to work on fixing it"
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> Heh, I'll look around their bug tracker at least
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> if they have one
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> eew, mantis bug tracker
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> and it's polish
[15:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Talk to POX on #ubuntu-motu.  He often sponsors it in Debian.
[15:09] <ScottK> Riddell: policykit-kde can go away now, right?
[15:10] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I thought I had deleted it but seems now
[15:10] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I thought I had deleted it but seems not
[15:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Need a bug to remember or just going to do it?
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> aha: http://www.kadu.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9862
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> http://starowa.one.pl/~uzi/kadu/kadu-gcc44.patch
[15:23] <ScottK> Debian should want that too.
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> The kadu package is weird, it ships the source as a bzipped tarball
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> be back in a  bit, then I"ll have a chat with POX
[15:28] <ScottK> Great.
[15:36] <agateau> Riddell: the necessary libindicate update has landed in main
[15:37] <Riddell> agateau: yep, it's on my TODO list for today
[15:37] <agateau> Riddell: and I see a patch to add indicator support to Kopete in my crystal ball :)
[15:37] <Riddell> ooh, exciting
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: seent he problem with siretart
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm reuploading kubuntu-restricted-extras depending on the stripped packages
[15:41] <Riddell> groovy
[15:42] <Riddell> ScottK: I'll remember thanks
[15:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: where is this package handled ? there's no info in the source package....
[15:42] <Tonio_> probably a bzr branch right ?
[15:43] <maco_> ScottK: dan just told me that if you put "auto <interface>" before that stanza that does your wpa in interfaces, itll be configured at boot
[15:44] <ScottK> maco_: knetworkmanager is working for me now and I'd rather not leave my wpa password lieing around in a plaintext file, but thanks.
[15:44] <maco_> ohok
[15:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno check if there's a branch under ~kubuntu-members  else it'll just be the package is the upstream
[15:54] <agateau> Riddell: Kopete patch uploaded: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/index.html
[15:54] <Riddell> ooh ooh
[15:55] <agateau> This time I worked straight from the package source, so it's more tested :)
[15:55] <agateau> And it's actually implemented as a plugin
[15:55] <agateau> So it's easy to turn off
[15:58] <Riddell> what should I put on the canonical desktop team meeting report for feature freeze readiness?
[16:01] <agateau> Riddell: mmm
[16:01] <agateau> Riddell: I'd like to get a Quassel patch ready
[16:02] <agateau> Riddell: and probably implement some of the changes mpt suggested
[16:02] <Riddell> agateau: what did mpt suggest?
[16:03] <agateau> Riddell: quite a few things about application notifications: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[16:04] <agateau> Riddell: there is stuff for kopete, kpackagekit, powerdevil, quassel, the pastebin applet, lancelot and phonon
[16:04] <agateau> Riddell: we reviewed applications using action in notifications during Dublin sprint
[16:05] <Riddell> agateau: reviewed them with what outcome?
[16:05] <agateau> Riddell: suggested a few changes
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: eek, we already have that patch
[16:21] <ScottK> Oh.
[16:22] <ScottK> Not good.
[16:22] <ScottK> agateau: Quassel is doing a 0.5 rc tomorrow that I'll upload before FF.  If you have patches, talk to Sput.
[16:23] <ScottK> agateau: We're still sticking with our agreement to default off, right?
[16:23] <agateau> ScottK: not written yet :/
[16:23] <agateau> yes
[16:23] <ScottK> The agreement or the patch?
[16:23] <agateau> the patch
[16:23] <ScottK> I was speaking generally and not just about Quassel.
[16:26] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy on the feedback plugin :)
[16:26] <nixternal> anyone else have probs with the new kernel updates?
[16:26] <ScottK> I heard bad things about encryptfs
[16:27] <Riddell> nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportPlasmaWidgetKubuntuQaFeedback
[16:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just found a patch for adblock in arora, interested in that before the feature freeze ?
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: importing rules seems to work, subscribing the rules on the fly might need a couple of fixes, but can be disabled later in case won't work...
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: according to my tests it works at least as well as in konqueror...
[16:31] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, that's exactly the prob, my encryption
[16:31] <ScottK> UR Screwed then.
[16:31] <nixternal> still have -6 installed and it works :)
[16:31] <ScottK> There you go then.
[16:31] <Tonio_> ScottK: interested in arora+adblock ? could make sense for the netbook one (although it'll be preliminary release)
[16:32] <nixternal> ya, I always keep around older kernels during dev cycle
[16:32] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'm on my way out the door for a meeting.
[16:32] <nixternal> ya, the netbook isn't encrypted and it seems to be booting fine with the new kernel
[16:32] <Tonio_> ScottK: okay we can discuss this toonight
[16:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes but check with upstream if it makes sense to patch or wait for a new release
[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll send an email toonight so that we can decide tomorrow just before the freeze
[16:33] <ScottK> Tonio_: On Netbook I don't see a convincing case for Arora over Firefox if we don't use Konqueror as the default.
[16:34] <Tonio_> ScottK: lightweight ? :)
[16:34] <Tonio_> firefox is a pain, and especially since 3.5 depends on half of gnome, we cannot consider firefox on the long term plan
[16:34] <Tonio_> ScottK: unfortunatelly
[16:34] <nixternal> to bad k-meleon wasn't for linux..that would be a great browser for netbooks
[16:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: true
[16:35] <ScottK> Make google gadgets work with Arora and we'll talk.
[16:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: rekonq is pretty well maintained, maybe in a few month we can use it as the default browser...
[16:35] <nixternal> I think Google Chrome will be the browser in the future anyways, killing all browser wars :)
[16:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: we should ping upstream to give him some kind of motivation
[16:35] <nixternal> Tonio_: rekonq pukes on gmail for me, other than that it is pretty nice
[16:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: chrome is webkit, as long as we have webkit, I'm fine with it
[16:36] <nixternal> it just keeps reloading
[16:36] <nixternal> Tonio_: but chrome == GTK :/
[16:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: long term plan, as said :)
[16:36] <nixternal> or chromium, or whatever the hell it is called
[16:36] <nixternal> the google browser...there, can't go wrong with that one :)
[16:36] <Tonio_> I'd love to ship with opera :)
[16:37] <nixternal> did something happen with the kwallet login box for netbooks? it just looked a bit funny...ie. didn't have buttons and stuff, and looked rounded a bit
[16:37] <nixternal> Tonio_: oh I would too
[16:37] <Tonio_> but right now, I think we should consider arora for the netbooks, that's the best compromise
[16:37] <nixternal> Opera == Qt3 though, and they have a "lite" browser in the works as well
[16:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: there's a qt4 shared version of opera right now :)
[16:37] <nixternal> oh nice..I will have to take a loo
[16:37] <nixternal> k
[16:38] <nixternal> you know what...I knew that, and there is an oxygen theme for it too :)
[16:38] <Tonio_> nixternal: http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/rc-4570/x86_64-linux/
[16:38] <Tonio_> rc there :)
[16:39] <Tonio_> hum we'll have to discuss this web browser thing... atm my preference goes to arora on the netbook side
[16:46] <nixternal> Tonio_: omg, the new opera 10 stuff rocks
[16:46] <nixternal> the tabs are super secksi
[16:50] <Tonio_> :)
[16:51] <Tonio_> nixternal: I personnaly prefer the oxygen standard theme, but yeah, it's pretty nice
[16:55] <Guest49177> I am thinking of trying to join in kubuntu development and was just curious about critical patches and how quickly they a pushed through the system
[16:56] <Guest49177> is it a question of waiting on one maintainer or are there a few top level people who can push through changes?
[16:57] <Riddell> Guest49177: it's a fairly beurocratic process, due to mistakes having been made in the past and that's very painful
[16:57] <Guest49177> ic
[16:58] <Guest49177> but isn't there like 2or3 generals that are responsible for signing off any update?
[17:00] <Riddell> Guest49177: yes, for universe it's the motu-sru team, for main it's pitti and slangasek (who will consult e.g. me for KDE related stuff)
[17:18] <Riddell> Guest49177: and we'd love to have you join kubuntu development of course :)
[17:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: shall I set "Jockey: get it inside System Settings" to postponed?
[17:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: SMB sharing postponed presumably?
[17:35] <MsMaco> more [enthusiastic] people, more good!
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: most probably
[17:39] <Guest49177> nice,
[17:39] <Guest49177> I'll be back soon
[18:08] <Riddell> it's apachelogger!  he loves us all
[18:18]  * Riddell considers rejecting binaries for conky on grounds of namespace pollution
[18:26]  * apachelogger hands everyone a cookie
[18:26]  * ryanakca thanks apachelogger
[18:29] <Riddell> ScottK, fabo: akonadi-google has same issue as before, COPYING is LGPL 3 files are GPL 2
[18:30] <apachelogger> what is akonadi-google?
[18:31] <Riddell> a google calendar resource for akonadi
[18:32] <Riddell> " It provides an easy access to Google calendars events and contacts.
[18:32] <Riddell> "
[18:34] <maco> does it include editing?
[18:34] <maco> like, can you edit a calendar in kontact and have it push the changes to google's server?
[18:56] <neversfelde> maco: yes
[18:56] <maco> awesome
[18:56] <maco> e-d-s was fail at that ;)
[18:57] <neversfelde> well, it was a little bit buggy last time I tested it, but it worked
[19:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, both him and I were not available for that unfortunatelly...
[19:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: personal life took me much of my time latelly, that's changing, fortunatelly :)
[19:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, most or our users don't use that on a regular basis
[19:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think next LTS should be our target
[19:39] <apachelogger> shtylman: we should move the ubiquity style stuff into its own package so kubuntu-firefox-installer can depend on that rather than have a copy of that stuff
[19:39] <apachelogger> wallpaper.jpg is making up 90% of the size of k-f-i
[19:42] <freinhard> is there a successor of "system services" (kde3 systemsettings) in developement?
[19:43] <apachelogger> freinhard: what needs to be successed?
[19:45] <freinhard> there was a section in kde3s systemsettings to edit /etc/rc?.d/*
[19:46] <apachelogger> not working very well though
[19:46] <apachelogger> dunno if that is getting ported
[19:47] <freinhard> was that a officially part of systemsettings or a "home brew" debian/kubuntu thing?
[19:47] <freinhard> s/ly//
[19:47] <apachelogger> pykdeware
[19:47] <apachelogger> not specific to debian/buntu though
[19:48] <apachelogger> actually I think it eventually originated on mandriva, might be wrong though
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> whoa, helluva packagekit update, nice
[19:51] <apachelogger> still doesn't do removal though
[19:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: so, what was the lzma stuff you were talking about?
[19:54] <ghostcube> hmm whats this apple bans linux from apple movies oO
[19:54] <ghostcube> wth
[19:54] <apachelogger> good thing they are doing
[19:55] <apachelogger> oh
[19:55] <apachelogger> jeez
[19:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: you really want to maintain such a diff to upstream? :P
[19:56] <ghostcube> apachelogger, they backaged all in an sstrange way inbto mov and checking what quciktime you running
[19:56] <ghostcube> not the english way
[19:56] <ghostcube> :D
[19:56] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:56] <apachelogger> remember
[19:56] <apachelogger> I am a ninja
[19:56] <apachelogger> I know everything
[19:56] <apachelogger> and even more if it appeared in some bug report :P
[19:57] <ghostcube> yeah but what should this be a starting war
[19:57] <ghostcube> -__- i hate guys doing nothing else than bugs reporting roflmao
[19:57] <apachelogger> for one, they might get support requests from unsupported platforms/players ... and for another it is simply their policy
[19:58] <apachelogger> they are doing it for years with the ipod
[19:58] <apachelogger> or itunes
[19:58] <ghostcube> i know but its not nice to do so ... its theire page they can do what they want its theire codec but its just not nice ...
[19:58] <ghostcube> :D
[19:58] <ghostcube> i decided not to get an iphone
[19:58] <ghostcube> :D
[19:58] <apachelogger> economy is not nice
[19:58] <ghostcube> i now ich bin dipl bw fachrichtung steurrecht
[19:58] <ghostcube> :|
[19:59] <apachelogger> I don't find it nice that the novell kernel dude didn't tellt he community about MS not following the GPL until they did
[19:59] <ghostcube> :|
[19:59] <ghostcube> novell is dangerous in my opionion
[19:59] <ghostcube> they always have been
[19:59] <apachelogger> any company is dangerous :P
[20:00] <ghostcube> yeah but sco is history
[20:00] <apachelogger> or ... can be ...
[20:00] <ghostcube> :D
[20:00] <apachelogger> entirely depends on the leadership I suppose
[20:00] <ghostcube> yeah thats right
[20:00] <ghostcube> look at Apple without stevie they are not really well
[20:00] <ghostcube> :D
[20:01] <apachelogger> well
[20:01] <apachelogger> imagine what they would be with the other stevie :P
[20:01] <ghostcube> :D
[20:01] <freinhard> sco is history? don't think so http://www.heise.de/newsticker/SCO-vs-Linux-Der-Streit-um-Unix-Copyrights-wird-neu-verhandelt--/meldung/144192
[20:01] <ghostcube> yep i read it i have ct here
[20:01] <freinhard> that's todays news.
[20:02] <ghostcube> but they only have a chance if the lawyer says it works if they loose the novell process
[20:02] <ghostcube> all is over
[20:03] <ghostcube> if any germans in and want to have an offtopic :D ##ghost
[20:03] <apachelogger> well, some people just don't know when to stop
[20:03] <ghostcube> -_-
[20:03] <apachelogger> besides, it not about the copyright anyway, just about the money associated with it
[20:04] <ghostcube> sure its all about the money especially now
[20:04] <ghostcube> we'll see how windows 7 works
[20:04] <ghostcube> the macosx and linux alltogether ripped new vista SP4
[20:05] <ghostcube> :S
[20:05] <freinhard> found something: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/guidance/guidance-kde4/
[20:05] <ghostcube> hmm the rc settings was very cool in kde3
[20:06] <freinhard> kde4.3's feature plan lists it, but is still a todo: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Feature_Plan#kdeadmin
[20:08] <freinhard> does anyone know how i can trust a issuer certificate so kmail doesn't bug me the certificate's issuer isn't trusted?
[20:09] <dwidmann_> Maybe someone in here could answer my PyQt/PyKDE question? http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=76266
[20:15] <freinhard> dwidmann_: both work for me
[20:16] <dwidmann_> freinhard: Okay, that's *very* interesting. Version of Ubuntu? Python? KDE?
[20:16] <freinhard> jaunty, 2.6.2, 4.3.0
[20:17] <dwidmann_> uggghhhh
[20:17] <dwidmann_> I've got the same, and yet the one marked "i_dont.py" still outputs "{}"
[20:18] <dwidmann_> I wonder where my problem lies
[20:19] <freinhard> no idea, multicore system?
[20:19] <dwidmann_> Yes.
[20:20] <freinhard> k, i'll give it a try on my dualcore machine
[20:22] <dwidmann_> hah! I ssh'd into my laptop and sure enough, it runs there!
[20:23] <ghostcube> apachelogger, would it be possible to take the daily ppa from fta into a devel ppa ?
[20:23] <ghostcube> for songbiird
[20:27] <freinhard> dwidmann_: doesn't work on a dualcore system, but works when runing via ssh -X (singlecore=ssh=>dualcore)
[20:29] <Sime_> dwidmann_: I'll just look something up... give me a sec
[20:30] <dwidmann_> freinhard: you seem to be right ... running it on my laptop physically doesn't work
[20:31] <dwidmann_> but with taskset -c 0 it does
[20:32]  * freinhard smells a bug
[20:33] <dwidmann_> freinhard: Hopefully my fault, that'd be a lot easier to fix
[20:35] <apachelogger> ghostcube: wha?
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> Heh
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> kpackagekit now warns that unauthenticated packages were installed
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> but after the installation
[20:35] <apachelogger> lol
[20:41] <Sime_> dwidmann_: I'm not sure why it is different. The only theory I can think of is that KApplication immediates quits because there is nothing to do.
[20:42] <Sime_> dwidmann_: what happens if you open up a small window to keep the app running?
[20:42] <dwidmann_> Sime_: just a moment, I'll try that theory
[20:45] <dwidmann_> Sime_: no, that doesn't seem to have any effect
[20:46] <dwidmann_> Sime_: also, all the threads really do run, just any signals they try to emit never seem to have any effect
[20:46] <Sime_> dwidmann_: ok, that was my next Q.
[20:48] <Sime_> dwidmann_: I'm out of ideas right now.
[20:49] <Sime_> dwidmann_: and I'm very tired.
[20:49] <dwidmann_> Sime_: yeah ... I've been out of ideas for weeks :(
[20:49] <Sime_> dwidmann_: do you really need threads? Python's multiprocess module might be better and safer.
[20:50] <dwidmann_> I might think of trying that soon (I mean, I definitely know of ways that I may be able to work around this), it's just  I'm now very intrigued about figuring out this mystery ... if you know what I mean.
[20:53] <Lure> Riddell: who is the right person to look at apport-kde? bug 405378 is really critical for beta... :-(
[20:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: impossible to build kdelibs against lzma-dev
[20:55] <apachelogger> well, not impossible, just not worth the work and diff and everything
[21:05] <apachelogger> woohooo, only waiting on the main inclusion approvals on rcov, rake and racc now \o/
[21:11] <apachelogger> bug http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/nxcompshad-0901240448/nxcompshad_3.3.0-3-0ubuntu1.dsc
[21:11] <apachelogger> bug #252755
[21:22] <apachelogger> that package makes me shiver
[21:22] <apachelogger> uh
[21:22] <apachelogger> plasma-widget-klicker
[21:22] <apachelogger> missing orig.tar.gz
[21:23] <apachelogger> oha
[21:23] <apachelogger> waheela
[21:24] <apachelogger> quintasan needs to push his revu uploads a bit more
[21:34] <sgh> Hi
[21:35] <sgh> Have any of you guys tried e4defrag ?
[21:41] <apachelogger> no
[21:54] <Tonio_> why on earth is dragging a file so *horribly* slow on the folderview ???
[21:55] <Tonio_> it look like working with windows XP on my X86 DX400 (12 years ago...)
[21:56] <Tonio_> honnestly, I don't see kde4 making any progress on that point
[21:56] <Tonio_> when I remember what kde3 was (extremelly configurable, fast desktop env, with sucking bluetooth and network support)
[21:57] <Tonio_> and what is kde4 (extremelly configurable, slow desktop, with sucking bluetooth and network support)...
[21:57] <Tonio_> and announcing more and more and more plasma fancy stuff... I don't feel any questioning about "what do our users want"
[21:58] <Tonio_> I'm getting sick of this actually...
[21:59]  * Tonio_ in a bad mood
[22:00] <Tonio_> and that broken cursor when dragging... still there since kde 4.0 alpha1...
[23:25] <shtylman> apachelogger: what is kubuntu-firefox-installer?
[23:30] <james_w> hey all, anyone who can/wants to upload amarok around?
[23:31] <james_w> the amarok in binary NEW apparently doesn't ship any useful files
[23:33] <apachelogger> so much for that plan
[23:34] <apachelogger> oh my
[23:34] <apachelogger> what an ugly package to merge with
[23:34]  * apachelogger shivers
[23:35] <apachelogger> james_w: I'll fix and upload
[23:35] <james_w> obviously letting it in isn't great
[23:35] <james_w> but rejecting from binary NEW leaves a lot of people scratching their heads
[23:35] <james_w> thanks apachelogger
[23:36] <apachelogger> shtylman: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot017.png
[23:36] <apachelogger> shtylman: since we dont have firefox on the desktop CD the plan is to deploy an app that allows easy installation of that fancy browser
[23:41] <shtylman> apachelogger: I see some familiar artifacts :) guess the style is reusabe
[23:42] <apachelogger> thus we need some common package that kubuntu-firefox-installer can depend on, or any other additional tool we might want to supply with fancy styling :)
[23:46] <shtylman> gotcha...alright... I will add to my todo list to break that off into a package ... if we like the styling in general, we might want to call the package something generic like kubuntu-installer-style
[23:54] <apachelogger> oh
[23:54] <apachelogger> how cute is that
[23:54] <apachelogger> can't build amarok source package on jaunty
[23:54] <apachelogger> yay for that
[23:54] <apachelogger> yay for merging
[23:54] <apachelogger> and yay for breaking the package
[23:54] <apachelogger> :|
[23:55] <apachelogger> shtylman: I suppose that makes most sense
[23:58] <shtylman> hahah


[00:20] <keithzg> Hrmm, I'm trying to hide a .git folder from a samba share and it doesn't seem to be working, which is kindof baffling me.
[00:21] <keithzg> I would've assumed, particularly since it's in the root of the share, that
[00:21] <keithzg> hide files = /.git/
[00:21] <keithzg> would've been sufficient, but apparently not?
[00:22] <keithzg> Maybe I'll just try the "hide dot files" option and be done with it.
[00:23] <keithzg> Wait, *that* didn't work?
[00:28]  * keithzg reads the documentation further, figures out he actually wants to "veto" the folder, aha
[00:48] <xnox> cpaelzer, \o/ libvirt
[01:22] <adrian_1908> hello. I have apache2 up and running and just installed PHP7 via apt. If I want to use the latter with the former, do I install the `libapache2-mod-php7.0` package, or what's the usual way to do it?
[02:30] <patdk-lap> adrian_1908, personally I recommend using php-fpm, but it's not nearly as simple and easy as mod-php
[02:32] <adrian_1908> patdk-lap: yeah I need easy, I'm a total beginner :)
[02:32] <patdk-lap> well, just install the mod-php then, it should do everything needed by itself
[02:34] <adrian_1908> Yes, I already did and am busy with it. It activated itself in Apache and appears to have changed the MPM model (I was already wondering about how I'd accomplish that myself). Very convenient.
[02:55] <adrian_1908> Damn, the `mysql-server` package sure has a lot of dependencies (perl stuff). Didn't expect it too be that large.
[02:58] <gecko_x2> hi
[02:58] <gecko_x2> anyone know alot about LXD?
[02:59] <gecko_x2> i'm just trying LXD on 16.04 first time running on a ZFS root, looking to set up LXD with MACvlan based bridging
[03:00] <gecko_x2> i installed it using DIR as storage, because the underlying ilesystem is already ZFS
[03:01] <gecko_x2> but does that mean LXD can't use zfs snapshots, instead it plays around with compressed files and rsync?
[03:02] <gecko_x2> and does that impact performance? i'm referring to the comments section in this article: https://bayton.org/2016/05/lxd-zfs-and-bridged-networking-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts/
[03:03] <gecko_x2> secondly, the concept on maCvlan is new to me, and i'm looking to try to learn if it could be used to replace IOMMU/PCI passthrough. Anyone here know alot about MACvlan/MACvtap?
[06:20] <cpaelzer> thanks xnox
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:11] <fishcooker> anyone with apt module error "FATAL -> Failed to fork"  http://vpaste.net/izPXA don't say with apt-get install -f ... it emits the same error messages
[09:22] <odc> failed to fork? how much free RAM do you have left?
[09:27] <ws2k3> hello guys im having an issue with ubuntu 12.04 with ipv6. after some time my routing tables are getting full and then ipv6 stops working
[09:36] <ikonia> why are you routing tables "full'
[09:36] <ikonia> it would be a HUGE networking route table to fill a host
[09:39] <fishcooker> little odc http://vpaste.net/ZPYp6 any suggests?
[09:41] <ws2k3> ikonia i dont know why they are getting full i think its a bug
[09:42] <ikonia> ws2k3: are they actually "full" or do they just look full
[09:42] <ws2k3> ikonia i have around 100 ipv6 hosts in my network and i have a /64
[09:42] <ikonia> eg: how are you determaining they are "full"
[09:42] <ws2k3> ikonia how can i check that?
[09:42] <ikonia> ws2k3: hang on
[09:42] <ikonia> do you know if they are full or not
[09:43] <ikonia> fishcooker: suggestion on what ?
[09:43] <lordievader> fishcooker: Try to free up some ram any try again.
[09:44] <ws2k3> ikonia wc -l /proc/net/ipv6_route shows me 21864
[09:44] <ws2k3> and on some machines im already getting     wc: /proc/net/ipv6_route: Cannot allocate memory
[09:44] <ws2k3>     0 /proc/net/ipv6_route
[09:46] <ikonia> ws2k3: so you're out of memeory - is that because of the routes though
[09:46] <ikonia> ws2k3: what's allocating these routes
[09:48] <ws2k3> ikonia i dont know exacly
[09:48] <ikonia> ws2k3: are they 1:1 host routes
[09:49] <ikonia> or network routes
[09:49] <ws2k3> ikonia i do know that im getting the canot allocate memory
[09:49] <ws2k3> ikonia they are just webserver with 1 ipv6 adres and 1 ipv6 default gateway
[09:49] <ikonia> ws2k3: what are the routes to then
[09:50] <ikonia> can you actually display the routing table ?
[09:50] <ws2k3> yes i can i think you mean ip -6 route show cache?
[09:51] <ws2k3> i sended my ip -6 a in private message ikonia
[09:52] <ikonia> not cache
[09:52] <ikonia> ws2k3: based on what you've just pasted your networking setup is broken
[09:52] <ikonia> you have dead routes on the loopback interface
[09:52] <ws2k3> ikonia i know they are for a load balacer
[09:52] <ikonia> you also have conflicting routes
[09:53] <ikonia> you have the same network routing out of two interfaces
[09:53] <ikonia> your network setup appears to be screwed up looking at that route table
[09:53] <ws2k3> i think i need to delete this one 2001:1aa8:1850::/64 dev eth0  proto kernel  metric 256  expires 1906251sec
[09:54] <ikonia> as I don't know your networking setup, I can't comment on what's valid, what's not valid, but you had dead routes, you have conflicting routes and you have bad routes - those 3 things are not good and suggest you have overall network problems
[09:57] <ws2k3> ikonia the dead routes should not be an issues cause its just a local loopback adres
[09:57] <ws2k3> and the conflicting route is a different subnet
[09:57] <ikonia> it is an issue though
[09:57] <ikonia> ws2k3:
[09:57] <ikonia> ws2k3> fe80::/64 dev eth0  proto kernel  metric 256
[09:57] <ikonia> that is NOT a differnt subnet
[09:57] <ikonia> 09:51 <ws2k3> fe80::/64 dev eth1  proto kernel  metric 256
[09:58] <ikonia> look how wide that network is too
[09:58] <ikonia> (I hope that is acceptable as it's not secret information on a subnet that wide)
[10:00] <lordievader> fe80 is link local, each ipv6 nic should have that.
[10:00] <lordievader> Though wikipedia lists it as fe80::/10
[10:01] <ikonia> right
[10:01] <ikonia> hence why I'm saying you've got conflict
[10:01] <ikonia> as it's set to route both that out of two different physical interfaces and look how wide it is
[10:01] <ikonia> I don't know the network setup on this host so I don't know what's needed/not, however looking at the route table it's not good
[10:02] <lordievader> Must say I have the fe80::/64 for each interface too.
[10:03] <ikonia> really ?
[10:03] <ikonia> that seems very odd
[10:03] <lordievader> ikonia: You don't?
[10:04] <ikonia> no
[10:04] <ikonia> but then the only ipv6 network I'm on is really simple
[10:07] <ws2k3> by now on allmost all my servers ipv6 is broken
[10:09] <ikonia> ws2k3: just because of the number of routes
[10:09] <ikonia> or something else
[10:09] <ws2k3> ikonia my machines are getting into trouble after i get this wc: /proc/net/ipv6_route: Cannot allocate memory
[10:10] <ikonia> right - I get that you're out of ram
[10:10] <ikonia> but are you out of ram due to the number of routes or just out of ram
[10:10] <ws2k3> ikonia machines have plenty of ram free
[10:10] <ikonia> ok, so if you look at the route table you pasted there are only a few individual routes
[10:11] <ikonia> so what's causing the population of that ? the dead routes ?
[10:11] <ws2k3> ikonia thats why im trying to find out
[10:11] <lordievader> What do you get when you try to ping hosts?
[10:11] <ws2k3> lordievader most of them dont reply
[10:11] <lordievader> And on the hosts themselves?
[10:12] <ws2k3> lordievader also no reply
[10:12] <ws2k3> lordievader i assume you mean ping from the host to the internet for example?
[10:12] <lordievader> Do you see ipv6 traffic from them on your gateway?
[10:12] <lordievader> For example, yes.
[10:13] <ws2k3> lordievader i dont have access to the gateway so i cant check
[10:13] <ws2k3> lordievader but i cant ping the gateway nor any other host
[10:13] <ws2k3> i have now run sysctl -w net.ipv6.route.max_size=8388608 and then it temperarly works again
[10:14] <ikonia> ws2k3: hang on
[10:14] <ikonia> ws2k3: metric 256 !!!
[10:14] <ikonia> ws2k3: thats 256 hops it has to know to get to that route
[10:16] <ws2k3> ikonia as far as i know metric is the priority not the amount of hops
[10:16] <ikonia> maybe thats my mistake then
[10:17] <ikonia> your right, my apologies
[10:17] <ikonia> ahhh the metric can include number of hops
[10:17] <ikonia> so yes, I am right, but thats not the "factual" answer in terms of a "solid number"
[10:17] <ikonia> sorry about that
[10:18] <ws2k3> ikonia np im happy with all the help i can get with this strange issue
[10:18] <lordievader> But, if I understand correctly, the host just adds routes as if they are candy?
[10:18] <ikonia> it's a large number of routes in /proc for sure, but looking at the route table the individual routes as few
[10:21] <ws2k3> ikonia and thats exacly the problem
[10:22] <ikonia> ws2k3: how are the routes getting populated ?
[10:22] <ws2k3> ikonia i dont know
[10:22] <ikonia> (the ones that are in the route table no the 10000000 other ones)
[10:22] <ws2k3> ikonia i just have one default gateway and one ipv6 address and thats it
[10:23] <lordievader> Are privacy extensions enabled?
[10:23] <ws2k3> ikonia it looks like im having this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1065159
[10:23] <ikonia> wow - a memory leak
[10:23] <ikonia> medium "expired"
[10:24] <ws2k3> ikonia this looks like the same behavior that im having
[10:25] <lordievader> ws2k3: What kernel are you running?
[10:26] <ws2k3> lordievader 3.2.0-57-generic #87-Ubuntu SMP
[10:27] <lordievader> ws2k3: Well you could do the same as in the comments, run a newer kernel and see if the problem persists.
[10:27] <lordievader> 3.2 is old anyways ;)
[10:27] <ws2k3> on newer kernels i am not having this issue
[10:27] <ikonia> ws2k3: parts of it certainly map to that bug in terms of behaviour
[11:38] <fishcooker> buy some RAM ikonia :p
[11:38] <fishcooker> noted lordievader... it works
[12:17] <lordievader> Buy? Download: http://www.downloadmoreram.com/download.html
[13:48] <zul> coreycb: neutron is blocked on pyroute2 so I think we might want to drop it for now to get b2 things going and then re-add it
[13:49] <coreycb> zul, i think we're ok.  we can test b2 in proposed.
[13:49] <zul> coreycb: ok
[13:50] <zul> coreycb: you uploaded sahara?
[13:50] <coreycb> zul, yep and a few others
[13:51] <zul> coreycb: okie dokie
[14:43] <xnox> does pm-suspend work in qemu-kvm virtual machines?
[14:43] <xnox> it did nothing for me =(
[14:46] <cpaelzer> xnox: my xenial guest goes into state "pmsuspended"
[14:46] <xnox> cpaelzer, cool. what about trusty? =) with xenial kernel?
[14:46]  * xnox is weird, I know
[14:46] <cpaelzer> xnox: umm I can try
[14:47] <xnox> cpaelzer, please, as i'm on a frankenstein trusty.
[14:52] <cpaelzer> xnox: T on 3.13.0-105-generic working as well, no rebooting into linux-generic-lts-xenial
[14:53] <cpaelzer> xnox: the same - working
[14:53] <cpaelzer> xnox: also wakeup works a la "virsh dompmwakeup testguest-T-Xkernel-pmsuspend"
[14:53] <xnox> cpaelzer, nice.... now i just need to fix why it doesn't for me =/ (as in what did I break)
[14:53] <xnox> cpaelzer, you suspend using $ sudo pm-suspend ?
[14:54] <cpaelzer> yes
[14:54] <xnox> cool.
[14:55] <cpaelzer> FYI /var/log/pm-powersave.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/23746485/
[14:55] <cpaelzer> FYI /var/log/pm-suspend.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/23746488/
[14:55] <cpaelzer> xnox: ^^
[14:57] <xnox> for me it returns 1 and doesn't log anything in those files =(
[14:57] <cpaelzer> xnox: my host is xenial
[14:57] <xnox> ditto
[14:58] <cpaelzer> xnox: set -x in /usr/lib/pm-utils/bin/pm-action ?
[15:00] <xnox> better
[15:00] <xnox> LOGGING=1 pm-suspend
[15:00] <xnox> pm-utils does not know how to suspend on this system
[15:03] <lordievader> Why suspend a vm when you can do a managed save?
[15:04] <xnox> lordievader, just testing if my userspace changes as to how suspend is initiated breaks things or not. To make sure I don't break real hw.
[15:04] <lordievader> Ah, I see.
[15:14] <xnox> cpaelzer, $ cat /sys/power/state
[15:15] <xnox> has for me only "freeze disk" and no "mem" do you have "mem" in your VMs there?
[15:15]  * xnox ponders if I need to add more ram.
[15:23] <xnox> cpaelzer, my Ubuntu Trusty Desktop says pm-is-supported --suspend -> exit code 1, as in not supported, and I have no idea why.
[15:27] <xnox> cpaelzer, launched VM manually via qemu command line, instead of GUI point and click virt-manager and suspend is supported.
[15:28] <xnox> i guess virt-manager is goofing with me.
[15:29] <lordievader> Or the xml doesn't contain the necessary config.
[15:30] <cpaelzer> xnox: wait I'll check
[15:32] <cpaelzer> xnox: reeze mem disk
[15:32] <cpaelzer> +f
[15:32] <cpaelzer> xnox: so yes I have mem
[15:32] <cpaelzer> pm-is-supported --suspend is rc=0
[15:33] <xnox> cpaelzer, yeah, doing a basic VM launch using qemu -enable-kvm -m 2048 -hda foo.qcow2 results in a suspendable VM, whatever xml virt-manager generated for the foo machine does not hibernate =/
[15:33] <xnox> does not suspend that is.
[16:09] <zul> coreycb: ping can you rediff your openstack-charm-testing branch i would like to test out the other stuff as well
[16:09] <coreycb> zul, this? https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/openstack-charm-testing/add-new-svcs-to-sparse/+merge/313156
[16:10] <zul> coreycb: thats the one
[16:10] <coreycb> zul, ok
[18:40] <jonah> hi can anyone please help. my server seems to have lost internet connection and can no longer be reached. From the server itself I can't ping google.com either...
[18:40] <ikonia> jonah: what is the error message you get
[18:41] <jonah> ikonia: everything worked great, then all of a sudden a few hours ago I couldn't reached my website any more. Tried to ssh into the server and couldn't do that either. So I've plugged a keyboard in and accessed directly and the box won't ping google.com or other sites
[18:41] <jonah> ikonia: no idea what happened!
[18:50] <pmatulis> jonah, looks like networking is down
[19:19] <jonah> pmatulis: really weird issue. all firewalls off etc. when i reboot the server internet/sites load up no problem. then when it has been on for maybe 15 seconds it can't connect all of a sudden again
[19:20] <pmatulis> jonah, i would concentrate on the fact that you cannot ssh to it, if that's still the case
[19:24] <jonah> pmatulis: I can ssh in initially when it first boots but as I say 15 seconds later the internet on that box drops and then I can't ssh in any more as there is no access in
[19:24] <pmatulis> jonah, and what kind of server is this? a cloud instance?
[19:27] <coreycb> beisner, hello can you please promote all of newton-staging to newton-proposed?
[19:31] <jonah> pmatulis: i think it is due to resolv.conf only having <IP_ADDRESS> nameserver
[19:32] <jonah> when i add another nameserver to resolv.conf it wipes it on reboot...
[19:32] <pmatulis> jonah, right, that's normal
[19:33] <coreycb> beisner, also neutron is ready to promote from mitaka-proposed and newton-proposed to -updates
[19:37] <beisner> hi coreycb, newton staging-to-proposed done
[19:42] <beisner> coreycb, neutron promoted to updates for mitaka and newton
[19:51] <coreycb> beisner, thanks
[20:03] <cmh_> is there a wiki somewhere that shows what debian versions ubuntu releases are based on?
[20:04] <bekks> cmh_: No, since they arent based on specific debian releases.
[20:05] <maswan> or, they're all based on the debian "testing" release. not very useful answer either. :)
[20:05] <maswan> (or is the sync against unstable? thought it was testing)
[20:05] <cmh_> since 14.04 it's unstable i think
[20:06] <cmh_> not 100%
[20:06] <pmatulis> maybe LTS -> testing , non-LTS -> unstable
[20:07] <tarpman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS says Starting with the 14.04 LTS development cycle, automatic full package import is performed from Debian unstable
[20:07] <tarpman> otherwise I think it's as pmatulis said
[20:07] <maswan> ok, so, thanks. easy then. all ubuntu releases are based on Debian Sid. :)
[20:07] <bekks> So its unstable for both LTS and non LTS :)
[20:08] <cmh_> unstable = sid?
[20:08] <maswan> cmh_: yeah
[20:16] <pmatulis> bekks, since 14.04 yeah. i didn't know that
[20:17] <pmatulis> take a look at /etc/debian_version , for xenial (LTS) it shows 'stretch/sid'
[22:51] <ninjai> is it possible to install php 5.2.anything on ubuntu server 16.04?
[22:51] <ninjai> 5.6 is already installed but I need 5.2
[22:52] <ninjai> I keep getting erros like this:  php-apcu : Conflicts: php-xcache but 3.2.0-2+deb.sury.org~xenial+1 is to be installed
[22:52] <ninjai> how do I tell apt to only install the one from the xenial repo?
[22:53] <nacc> ninjai: not officially, no
[22:53] <nacc> ninjai: also, 5.2 is incredibly old and even unsupported upstream, afaict
[22:54] <ninjai> While I was expecting someone to say that, I'm well aware but it's what the client wants to support their ancient web server
[22:54] <nacc> so they're fine with (potentially) CVEs...?
[22:54] <ninjai> just trying to move it off of a physical freebsd box from 2007 or so, to a linux VM...
[22:54] <nacc> seems like a terrible choice to me, but not mine to make :)
[22:54] <ninjai> not mine either
[22:55] <ninjai> I just need to get it on and make it work
[22:56] <nacc> ninjai: as to your conflicts, you've add ondrej's ppa, which will conflict with the archive. And installing php5, period, on 16.04, will lead to issues with the archive (afaict), as ondrej has to provide his version of the deps in the ppa
[22:56] <ninjai> ok
[22:56] <ninjai> any way I can find out which version of ubuntu server had the option to install php 5.2?
[22:57] <nacc> ninjai: even 12.04 (the oldest currently supported) has 5.3
[22:57] <nacc> ninjai: you could look at hte publishing history for php5 to go back further
[22:58] <ninjai> ok thanks
[23:12] <adrian_1908> hello, I'm a bit unsure what good practices are for folders & files inside `/var/www/` regarding ownership and permissions. Could someone help clarify this for me? For static websites I can probably just let root or my user own them, but what about sites like WordPress that need to write content?
[23:12] <adrian_1908> I've found conflicting advice online.
[23:12] <adrian_1908> (I'm using apache2 btw)
[23:15] <ikonia> adrian_1908: it's not a hard set of rules, it's an evaluation of the setup
[23:15] <ikonia> adrian_1908: for example the wordpress referenc eyou use, actually needs very little write access and it's very controlled of only a few directories
[23:15] <ikonia> adrian_1908: thats very different than "/var/www"
[23:16] <ikonia> (just for example)
[23:17] <adrian_1908> ikonia: yeah, wordpress would be very different and it's the part I'm unsure about. I don't want to create some security risk. My thinking would be to set ownership inside the wordpress dir to `myuser:www-data` and give writable folders 775 permissions.
[23:18] <ikonia> adrian_1908: it's not just that simple
[23:18] <ikonia> the whole structure needs to be evaluated,
[23:18] <ikonia> but you're approach of varition depending on needs is correct


[19:01] <raub> If I set the power management to suspend the computer when laptop lid is closed, it will not come back on once I open the lid. Where should I start investigating?
[19:21] <tomreyn> bios update
[19:50] <ninos> ninos
[19:50] <ninos>  ds