[12:14] <thunderstorm> can someone help me with the "tar"-command?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> thunderstorm: what about it
[12:16] <thunderstorm> if i use the "tar cvfz" command, the file contains the owner and access-rights?
[12:16] <thunderstorm> is that correct?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> thunderstorm: i dont understand. the tar shouldnt have any permissions on it other than read and write all.
[12:17] <thunderstorm> hm, my english is not so good ;-)
[12:17] <gnomefreak> any user should beable to untar a package
[12:18] <thunderstorm> ok, otherwise: when i unpack these tgz-file, the restored files have all permissions and owner rights?
[12:18] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[12:19] <method|> how can i get k3b to allow me to burn a cd without sudoing?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> thunderstorm: it depends on what files are in it
[12:19] <Hawkwind> thunderstorm: They have the owner/perms of the user you untarred them as
[12:19] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: the make install file in tars have a permission set for sudo
[12:19] <gzevspero> Hi, I'd like to install winxp, win vista, and kubuntu on the same computer. Can this be done, and if so, how would I partition the 2 drives and in which order would I install the OS's?
[12:20] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Huh ?
[12:20] <gnomefreak> if its just pictures or themes anyone should beable to run it
[12:20] <thunderstorm> ok, but when i archive an file have 777, have this file these rights after unzip?
[12:20] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Not here they don't
[12:20] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: If you untar the file as normal user, then all files have normal user perms
[12:20] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: to compile a tar you need to use sudo make install you cant just use make install
[12:20] <Hawkwind> thunderstorm: Yes
[12:20] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Not necessarily
[12:20] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:21] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I have tons and tons of files that make install can be done as normal user
[12:21] <gnomefreak> i havent yet seen it or it can but it will screw up permissions app wide
[12:21] <larson9999> depends one whether you want to install them locally or not
[12:21] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: That is not correct
[12:21] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: There are millions of things that can be installed without sudo using make install. Firefox is a prime example of this
[12:22] <thunderstorm> Hawkwind & gnomefreak: thank you - i dont must give an specific parameter for tar
[12:22] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: firefox isnt compiled like most apps
[12:22] <gnomefreak> all you do it untar it
[12:22] <gnomefreak> and move it around
[12:23] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: if you notice anything that has a make file sudo make install is used
[12:23] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Half of E17 happens to be built without using sudo actually
[12:23] <gnomefreak> FF and TB are differnet
[12:23] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No it's not
[12:23] <Hawkwind> LOL
[12:23] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Do a checkout of CVS for E17 and specifically look in e/e_modules
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: cvs is differnret
[12:24] <Hawkwind> You can actually install anything that you compile using make install and not sudo, anything
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: tar not cvs or svn
[12:24] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Any of it
[12:24] <ubuntu_> guys i have an emergency and i need help please :( i was on windows and i deleted my linux partitions to make more space but now GRUB still starts and i cant get into windows because it errors out. i am on the linux livecd right now :(
[12:24] <Hawkwind> It doesn't matter. You use sudo to install it globally.  If you don't use sudo you install it as that user and only that user can run that app
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: so the guides tell you to use sudo because they have nothing better to do?
[12:25] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: They tell you to use sudo so that it's installed globally so that any user on the system can run it
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: yes but again that diesnt give app wide permissions as i stated
[12:25] <Hawkwind> I've done packaging for a few years now, and can prove this
[12:25] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: What do you mean by 'wide permissions'  ??
[12:25] <gnomefreak> app wide =global
[12:26] <gnomefreak> anyone can run the app
[12:26] <gnomefreak> sorry if that was confusing you
[12:26] <Hawkwind> Right, if you use sudo.  If you just do make install then only the user who performed it can run it and no one else
[12:26] <Hawkwind> There is nothing out there that can't be installed using just make install.  The make files do not have root perms/ownership
[12:26] <helpplz> guys i have an emergency and i need help please :( i was on windows and i deleted my linux partitions to make more space but now GRUB still starts and i cant get into windows because it errors out. i am on the linux livecd right now :(
[12:27] <gnomefreak> helpplz: more than likely its not recoverable since you deleted part sof a partition
[12:27] <Hawkwind> helpplz: Did you actually delete the partition with the information on it, as in, is the information gone ?
[12:27] <helpplz> what i am asking is how to delete GRUB or simply get into my windows
[12:28] <helpplz> =\
[12:28] <helpplz> not to recover the linux
[12:28] <gnomefreak> helpplz: in a windows recovery console type fixmbr
[12:28] <Hawkwind> helpplz: Boot the Windows CD, and run fixmbr or fdisk, whatever it is that OS uses
[12:29] <helpplz> hmm windows recovery console? my recovery thing is in a FAT32 partition, stupid gateway
[12:29] <helpplz> all i can do is get into BIOS system utilities, etc
[12:29] <gnomefreak> helpplz: boot windows cd adn choose recover broken windows
[12:29] <helpplz> i dont have a windows cd though
[12:29] <gnomefreak> or whatever its called
[12:29] <helpplz> hmm
[12:30] <helpplz> ill check if i can boot that partition through the bios
[12:30] <helpplz> thanx
[12:30] <gnomefreak> well than i hope you didnt screw with anything on windows partition including grub if its on the windows drive
[12:30] <helpplz> i didnt touch anything on the windows partitions, i just deleted the linux partitions and used the unallocated space to make my windows partition bigger...
[12:30] <helpplz> =\
[12:30] <gnomefreak> or like grub,win1,win2,ubuntu1,ubuntu5
[12:31] <gnomefreak> im not sure if parted will help with mbr or not
[12:31] <helpplz> hm
[12:31] <gnomefreak> if it does than you should beable to run parted from livecd
[12:32] <gnomefreak> brb reboot
[12:32] <helpplz> k
[12:33] <fred_> fdfsd
[12:37] <Max_-> some software needs libatk1.0-0 to run... I loaded libatk1.0-dev ... now it still says I need libatk1.0-1 .. so I searched.. found the deb package.. but I cant Install it, it says I already have newer version... even if I apt-get remove the 1.0-dev one!!.. how can I do???
[12:42] <mabreaux> hello all
[12:45] <grasmeer> Hi! Anyone who had installed the updates today? Are they working or will the system hang?
[12:46] <fred_> which one ?
[12:46] <mabreaux> no updates for me today
[12:47] <SkuggiG> just now noticed that there were some updates
[12:48] <fred_> linux-restricted-modules ?
[12:48] <SkuggiG> just some stuff to python and cpio from dapper-security
[12:49] <fred_> aah ok
[12:49] <grasmeer> 87 updates, but just updated the system three (4?) days ago...
[12:49] <grasmeer> restricted modules, lib*, sudo, kmail, bla bla...
[12:50] <fred_> did u install edgy ?
[12:50] <grasmeer> edgy eft...
[12:51] <fred_> yep :-) don't know what it means
[12:51] <grasmeer> what: dont know...?
[12:51] <ricanelite> can someone help me out, New to Ubuntu Linux
[12:51] <grasmeer> perhaps...
[12:52] <fred_> edgy eft
[12:52] <ricanelite> I'm trying to change my Desktop Icons text, right now they are in White but will like to change them to black
[12:54] <ricanelite> can anyone help me please
[12:54] <brahmamurti> you have icons on your desktop?
[12:55] <grasmeer> sorry, no idea, perhaps: apperarance, style...
[12:55] <grasmeer> Updates?
[12:55] <fred_> may be "system settings" -> appearence -> fonts
[12:57] <method|> anybody got aiglx+beryl installed on their systems?
[01:08] <ricanelite> is it possible to put the KDE Trash bin in the Desktop?
[01:09] <apokryphos> ricanelite: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#showtrash
[01:09] <SkuggiG> umm... should be
[01:09] <knubbe> where do i find kde control center?
[01:09] <apokryphos> knubbe: Kubuntu uses KDE System Settings as opposed to KControl
[01:10] <apokryphos> but kcontrol is still accessible via alt+f2 -> kcontrol
[01:10] <knubbe> ah, ok
[01:11] <knubbe> thanks.
[01:11] <knubbe> thats where i set my default programs? default email client and so on...?
[01:15] <Hawkwind> !mp3 > bomber
[01:15] <FaLc[ON] 2> ciao ragazzi potete darmi un aiuto con kdevelop?
[01:16] <bomber> !mp3
[01:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:18] <VanessaE> evening all
[01:19] <KrAmMeR__> i am having trouble installing new kdm themes...
[01:19] <Hawkwind> bomber: When I did !mp3 > bomber it should have sent you that info in pm
[01:21] <bomber> yes i got it... thanks
[01:23] <KrAmMeR__> !kdm
[01:23] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 600 kB, installed size 1468 kB
[01:24] <Hawkwind> !kdmthemes > KrAmMeR__
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdmthemes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:24] <Hawkwind> !kdmtheme > KrAmMeR__
[01:25] <highLighter> how do I connect to a server?
[01:26] <LjL> telnet hostname port
[01:27] <bomber> Hawkwind:  seems like a project
[01:27] <KrAmMeR__> i know i have it in the write place
[01:27] <KrAmMeR__> right*
[01:27] <arepie> !howto
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about howto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <menace> hi everyone
[01:29] <bomber> Hawkwind: whats synaptic package manager?
[01:29] <LjL> !synaptic
[01:29] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[01:29] <rojikaru> Dr Willis
[01:30] <rojikaru> Someone of equal knowledge.
[01:30] <menace> I am in need of two programs. which i was hoping someone here would know something like them. i need an XISO program, like craxtion. and a nice FTP program like smartFTP. does anyone have any ideas on equivalent programs?
[01:33] <menace> anyone?
[01:33] <Hawkwind> menace: kftpgrabber, kbear, gftp, and many many more
[01:33] <Hawkwind> menace: The other one you mentioned must be Windows stuff and I haven't touched Windows in 5 years so I have no idea what they are
[01:34] <menace> ok thanks
[01:34] <menace> whats your favorite ftp program?
[01:34] <rojikaru> FTP IS NOT GOOD.
[01:34] <VanessaE> opera. :)
[01:34] <rojikaru> ssh is the better choice sercurity wise.
[01:35] <bomber> menace an xiso program meaning a graphical burning program?
[01:35] <menace> im FTP'ing to my xbox rojikaru
[01:35] <menace> yes...www.craxtion.com
[01:35] <menace> like that
[01:35] <bomber> gftp is awesome
[01:35] <rojikaru> Why are you ftping to your Xbox? You putting roms on there?
[01:35] <arepie> i've installed fglrx driver, and, OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org <-- it should be ATI Technologies Inc. rite?
[01:35] <halcon_> irc hispano
[01:35] <menace> nope
[01:35] <menace> !es
[01:35] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:36] <menace> rojikaru: im backing up my xbox games.
[01:36] <Hawkwind> menace: I don't use FTP programs, but you can use sftp:// in konqueror
[01:36] <menace> ok thanks
[01:36] <Hawkwind> menace: For burning stuff, use k3b
[01:36] <halcon_> #ubuntu-es
[01:36] <arepie> menace:  im using firefox extension fireftp
[01:36] <menace> Hawkwind: i need craxtion to create the .iso
[01:37] <menace> arepie: firefox wont run on my system for some reason...
[01:37] <Hawkwind> menace: Why ?  You can do that with mkisofs
[01:37] <Hawkwind> If firefox won't run, then you're doing something wrong
[01:37] <menace> Hawkwind: i didnt know that...
[01:37] <arepie> menace: install with adept?
[01:37] <menace> its my flashplugin-nonfree package
[01:37] <Hawkwind> menace: Did you sudo apt-get install firefox or did you compile it from mozilla.org ?
[01:37] <menace> its messed up somehow
[01:37] <menace> i used adept
[01:38] <menace> i cant even watch videos online now
[01:38] <Hawkwind> menace: So remove the flashplugin package
[01:38] <menace> because of the flash plugin-nonfree
[01:38] <menace> but i need it to watch videos online...and run frostwire
[01:38] <menace> and i removed and re-installed but it didnt work
[01:38] <Hawkwind> menace: Have you removed your ~/.mozilla directory ?
[01:39] <menace> im not sure let me check
[01:39] <Hawkwind> menace: Or rather make a backup of it, then remove it, then try running firefox ?
[01:39] <menace> i dont know how to do all that
[01:39] <menace> and i dont really need firefox
[01:39] <menace> i like konq
[01:39] <menace> and btw...gaim wont run either
[01:39] <Hawkwind> menace: cp -a ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old
[01:40] <Hawkwind> menace: Or, mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old
[01:40] <Hawkwind> menace: Preferably do the second one
[01:40] <arepie> menace: i rather use kopete
[01:40] <arepie> !ati
[01:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:41] <Hawkwind> kopete is an instant messenger, that's not what he's after
[01:41] <Hawkwind> Oh, he mentioned gaim, heh, sorry
[01:41] <Hawkwind> menace: Sounds like you have serious issues you need to tend to first
[01:41] <jon_> are video cards plug and play?
[01:41] <VanessaE> jon: not really
[01:41] <Hawkwind> jon_: Depends on what you mean by plug and play exactly
[01:41] <menace> i cant find mkisofs on my system. but it says its installed
[01:41] <menace> ok. how can i do that hawk?
[01:41] <VanessaE> from the perspective of the text console, generally yeah
[01:41] <Hawkwind> jon_: Most Nvidia are, even though you have to install the drivers afterwards
[01:41] <VanessaE> from a graphics perspective, no.
[01:41] <jon_> well
[01:42] <jon_> when i put one in
[01:42] <jon_> all i have is the terminal
[01:42] <Hawkwind> menace: Is this a fresh install of Dapper ?
[01:42] <Hawkwind> jon_: What kind of card ?
[01:42] <jon_> lemme look
[01:42] <menace> im really not sure. sorry for my ignorance
[01:42] <menace> i re-installed linux to try to fix this
[01:42] <Hawkwind> menace: Ummm, how did you install or did you do an upgrade ?
[01:43] <menace> install from CD
[01:43] <jon_> looks like it says nvidia
[01:43] <menace> should i upgrade my dapper?
[01:43] <Hawkwind> jon_: Nvidia what ?
[01:44] <Hawkwind> menace: What you need to do is run these apps from a terminal and see what error messages you get
[01:44] <jon_> im really not sure what im looking for, someone gave this to me
[01:44] <menace> strace firefox?
[01:44] <Hawkwind> menace: Then paste those messages to a pastebin for us to see and then we can go from there
[01:44] <jon_> n119?
[01:44] <Hawkwind> menace: No, just firefox from a terminal
[01:44] <menace> ok
[01:44] <VanessaE> well, if he does an lspci it should tell him what kind of vid card
[01:45] <Hawkwind> jon_: FX5200, 6600GT or what ?  That's what you need to know
[01:45] <VanessaE> even without the binary driver
[01:45] <Hawkwind> jon_: Is the card installed right now in the computer ?
[01:45] <VanessaE> e.g. --->  0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800]  (rev a1)
[01:45] <highLighter>  do I accept a file? it always fails to download showing "unsupported negoiation"
[01:45] <jon_> nope im running onboard video currently
[01:45] <menace> !pastebin
[01:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:46] <jon_> when i install i all i get is like a virtual terminal
[01:46] <jon_> i mean when i plug it in
[01:46] <Hawkwind> jon_: You'll want to put the card in, disable the onboard video if need be in your BIOS, then boot the system
[01:46] <kharn_> hey peeps im new to Linux and am looking for the Lamp package for this distro can u tell me where i can find it? i installed from desktop cd
[01:46] <Hawkwind> jon_: Once you get to the terminal, try doing sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:46] <menace> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26218/
[01:46] <menace> there you are hawkwind
[01:46] <Hawkwind> !lamp
[01:46] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[01:46] <menace> btw...thanks for the help..i really appreciate it
[01:47] <Hawkwind> menace: And firefox never starts ?
[01:47] <jon_> thanks
[01:48] <Hawkwind> menace:  ??
[01:48] <menace> Hawkwind: it starts up, but the scroll bar its all pixelated and wont work
[01:48] <kharn_> thx
[01:48] <Hawkwind> menace: Close firefox and do this from a terminal:  mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old
[01:48] <menace> Hawkwind: and firefox completely freezes up
[01:48] <menace> k
[01:49] <Hawkwind> menace: Then try to restart firefox
[01:49] <menace> nope still messes up
[01:49] <menace> oh sorry
[01:49] <Hawkwind> menace: If it's still messed up, then you need to take a screenshot so we can see what it looks like
[01:51] <menace> yea still messing up...let me upload the image real quick
[01:52] <menace> http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/479/firefoxhn8.png
[01:53] <menace> personally...i think its flashplugin-nonfree and baghira window decorations thats not letting everything run properly...
[01:53] <menace> but your the expert
[01:53] <Hawkwind> menace: Looks like a theme issue
[01:53] <Hawkwind> menace: I'd seriously consider changing your theme and see what happens
[01:53] <menace> ok
[01:54] <menace> change my windows decoration?
[01:54] <menace> or everything
[01:56] <waspius> hi anyone know what codecs i can use in mplayer for sound in movies?i have w32
[01:56] <menace> !mpe
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <menace> !mp3
[01:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:57] <waspius> ok thanx
[01:57] <Amority> how useful, that ubotu lol
[01:57] <menace> Hawkwind: firefox works...but frostwire still wont run
[01:57] <menace> Amority: lol yea
[01:57] <Hawkwind> !codecs > waspius
[01:58] <Hawkwind> menace: Frostwire is a p2p app and is very poorly coded.  I'd find something else to use IMO.  If you're doing torrents, then use ktorrent or bittorrent
[01:58] <VanessaE> frostwire giving you a runFrost.sh error
[01:58] <VanessaE> ?
[01:58] <menace> VanessaE: it just doesnt run
[01:58] <VanessaE> run it from a terminal
[01:58] <menace> Hawkwind: im using ktorrent at the momment...its just crazy slow
[01:58] <VanessaE> see what error spew you get
[01:59] <menace> it cant find my sun-java-jre
[01:59] <VanessaE> ohhh
[01:59] <Amority> VanessaE, do you have sun-java-jre
[01:59] <menace> i have sun-java-jre though
[01:59] <VanessaE> amority: it runs fine for me, just trying to help Menace
[01:59] <Amority> Ahh I see ok
[02:00] <schizzzee> hey gota question... how do you get the network settings to automatically change when you switch networks? i mean dhcp is enabled but it still retains the old ip settings.
[02:00] <menace> an ideas VanessaE?
[02:00] <VanessaE> off the top of my head, no :-/
[02:00] <menace> ok thanks anways
[02:00] <VanessaE> for me, it just magically found it :)
[02:00] <VanessaE> however,
[02:01] <VanessaE> I installed java directly from Sun's official package (put it in /opt/jre_blahblah)
[02:01] <Hawkwind> menace: Probably a wrong config setting somewhere then
[02:01] <CVirus> !kernel
[02:01] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[02:02] <VanessaE> (I've never had much luck with nvidia, jave, or flash as supplied by any distro's repositories)
[02:04] <VanessaE> Menace, is there anything in /etc/profile and the like that sets environment variables regarding java?
[02:05] <VanessaE> (for me, there is not)
[02:12] <|WAL|> I have a samba issue
[02:14] <jeroenvrp> when someone with ubuntu does sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; will kdm come-up automaticaly after a restart of X?
[02:14] <|WAL|> I can get to a remote samba share of mine through "Remote places" but I can't add it to the "Disk & Filesystems"
[02:16] <mabreaux> any one running edgy? how stable is it, do you think they will make the 26th on October date?
[02:16] <VanessaE> edgy is fairly stable but development is pretty active
[02:16] <VanessaE> so stuff might still break
[02:17] <mabreaux> are you running it?
[02:17] <Tm_T> or unbreak ;)
[02:17] <VanessaE> from what my husband and I can tell, only a few minor issues exist
[02:17] <VanessaE> my husband is, I run dapper
[02:17] <Tm_T> but I'm more developer than regular user
[02:17] <VanessaE> Tm: heh, right...  like the Ctrl+Alt+Plus bit :)
[02:17] <mabreaux> where can I fine the bug still on edgy? and do they have a live cd of it?
[02:18] <VanessaE> can't answer either of those :)
[02:18] <VanessaE> (hubby upgraded by tweaking sources.list)
[02:19] <VanessaE> now, bugs...
[02:19] <VanessaE> lesse
[02:19] <CowHigh> hi
[02:19] <mabreaux> is there a kubuntu edgy irc?
[02:20] <VanessaE> you would normally go here for bugs, it seems-->  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs
[02:20] <VanessaE> but the database is empty
[02:20] <CowHigh> sorry, could you tell me a diferents between CD and DVD relase of kubuntu?
[02:20] <mabreaux> link says : There are currently no open bugs.
[02:20] <LjL> DVD has more packages on it -- that hsould be all
[02:21] <CowHigh> and is it still live/install cd?
[02:21] <CowHigh> dvd
[02:22] <VanessaE> yes
[02:22] <CowHigh> nice, thx
[02:22] <VanessaE> but you should stick with the CD if you can spare the bandwidth wherever you plan to install
[02:22] <|WAL|> I can get to a remote samba share of mine through "Remote places" but I can't add it to the "Disk & Filesystems"
[02:22] <jeroenvrp> anyone has an answer on the question I asked?
[02:23] <VanessaE> not I, sorry jeroen
[02:23] <mabreaux> just found this one : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems
[02:23] <VanessaE> WAL, do you have smbmount installed?
[02:24] <maxime_> hi
[02:24] <|WAL|> VanessaE: nope, couldn't figure out where to get it in the repositories
[02:25] <VanessaE> smbfs might be it
[02:26] <|WAL|> I get an error trying to get it
[02:26] <VanessaE> what error?
[02:26] <|WAL|> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:26] <|WAL|>   smbfs: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.22-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 is to b                                                                                e installed
[02:26] <|WAL|> E: Broken packages
[02:26] <VanessaE> ack
[02:26] <maxime_> what tools to emulate my windows ?
[02:27] <VanessaE> maxime: there are a number of choices..  wine works for some, vmware and bochs work for others
[02:27] <mabreaux> and crossover
[02:27] <maxime_> i has problem to wine ...
[02:27] <|WAL|> VanessaE: could I be missing a repository?
[02:28] <VanessaE> WAL: I'm not sure.  Did you try   sudo apt-get -f install
[02:28] <VanessaE> see if it can resolve the dependency issue?
[02:29] <|WAL|> VanessaE: just tried, no uck
[02:30] <VanessaE> ok that one I have no clue how to fix
[02:30] <VanessaE> (suppose I'm still something of a n00b even after 10 years using linux :)
[02:31] <maxime_> how create icon ex: home ... but i dont have the icon  of my desktop ...
[02:31] <VanessaE> maxime: I don't understand what you need.
[02:31] <VanessaE> Do you mean on the Kubuntu desktop?
[02:31] <maxime_> yes
[02:32] <|WAL|> VanessaE: I hear you, I've been using it for 6-8 but I'm a convert to Kubuntu (former slackware)
[02:32] <VanessaE> Right click on the desktop area, Create New -> Link to Application
[02:32] <maxime_> k
[02:32] <VanessaE> WAL: Slackware followed by Gentoo for me
[02:32] <maxime_> thanks
[02:33] <|WAL|> VanessaE: as you know then there's quite a difference
[02:33] <|WAL|> :D
[02:33] <VanessaE> yep
[02:33] <VanessaE> g-d don't I know it :)
[02:33] <|WAL|> lol, indeed why I switched
[02:34] <VanessaE> for me, slackware's lack of package management drove me off (but I dug my heels in for the longest time)....Gentoo...well....there's a reason I drive a Thunderbird instead of some rice car :)
[02:35] <|WAL|> VanessaE: heh, I hear you, I wanted to goto Gentoo for some time but I held out as well and glad I did
[02:42] <VanessaE> now that said, I seem to recall that you can compile smbfs support into the kernel also
[02:42] <mabreaux> I came from Red Hat, Fedora, Suse 9-10.1 and I like Kubuntu the best, I just wish I could get KDE and Gnome on my desktop.  wife like gnome I do not know why.
[02:42] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:42] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: That will install all of Gnome for you and you can let the wife use it
[02:42] <VanessaE> here it is
[02:43] <VanessaE> if you can't get that smbmount tool to install, there's still a kernel rebuild option
[02:43] <mabreaux> I have tried that twice and my machine refuse to login in after that
[02:44] <mabreaux> I just get a blank screen and the machine is not responsive
[02:45] <printk> I'm having a brain fart.  I switched to KDE (kubuntu-desktop), but firefox is still trying to play streaming videos using gstreamer.. how do I change it to kaffeine?
[02:46] <shadowhywind> i am having problems with getting an IP with my wireless, it just randomly stopped. Anybody have any ideas?
[02:47] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Probably because when you go to use Gnome you're not using GDM
[02:50] <mabreaux> Hawkwind: what?
[02:51] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: After you install ubuntu-desktop and you log out it should take you back to a GUI login screen, correct ?
[02:51] <mabreaux> I still wish to use KDE the wife want gnome, can ubunut support both on the same machine?
[02:51] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Absolutely
[02:52] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: I have them both installed and many more window managers and don't have any problems
[02:52] <mabreaux> Hawkwind: what did you do different than me....   Mind failed badly.
[02:52] <keebler> Can k3b Burn audio CDs, converting 0GG to WAV/MP3?
[02:53] <method|> how do i see the history in konqueror?
[02:53] <VanessaE> keebler: rather, K3B will import Mp3, OGG and WAV and burn them to an audio CD, yes.
[02:53] <LjL> method|: try F9
[02:53] <keebler> VanessaE: Thank you.
[02:54] <keebler> Thats exactly what I wanted to hear. My fault for incorrectly stating my question.
[02:54] <VanessaE> (you need the k3b mp3 plugin for mp3 support...libk3b2-mp3 or some such)
[02:54] <luisa> hello
[02:54] <VanessaE> keebler: no problem, just making sure I understood you right :)
[02:54] <keebler> What about OGG? Is there a separate lib for that too?
[02:55] <VanessaE> as long as you have ogg installed in general, k3b will use it
[02:55] <LjL> keebler: OGG Vorbis plays out of the box
[02:55] <oslo> hi i have 2 cd rom
[02:55] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: I have no idea what you did.  I simply installed ubuntu-desktop and it works if I ever wanted to use Gnome
[02:55] <keebler> LjL: I know... I'm listening to it now. :) (Cowboy Bebop OST), but I want to burn it to an audio CD.
[02:56] <oslo> hda &hdb all both work but i can't mount or see cdrom with hda
[02:56] <LjL> ah, i see. well, guess that works out of the box as well, but i don't really know
[02:56] <oslo> fstab seems right edited
[02:56] <VanessaE> your CDROM is hdc and hdd
[02:56] <VanessaE> (assuming you did it right, typically hda and hdb are hard disks)
[02:56] <oslo> VanessaE> seems to be hda & hdb at home
[02:56] <oslo> ^^
[02:57] <mabreaux> Hawkwind: I try it again on my test machine
[02:57] <VanessaE> oslo, dmesg |grep hd  and put the output on pastebin
[02:57] <oslo> VanessaE> i think it depends on with ide1 or ide2 wire they are connected
[02:57] <VanessaE> !pastebin > oslo
[02:57] <VanessaE> indeed it does, I just want to make sure I understand your setup.
[02:58] <ubuntu> can someone please help me :( i need to take away some free space from a partition
[02:58] <ubuntu> and make it unallocatde
[02:58] <LjL> ubuntu: you can use GParted
[02:58] <LjL> well, or QTParted, since we're on #Kubuntu
[02:58] <VanessaE> LjL: those resize the fs also?
[02:59] <LjL> VanessaE: they can. obviously they don't work with just any filesystem
[02:59] <luisa> how i can configurate samba????????
[02:59] <ubuntu> how do i get to GParted?
[02:59] <LjL> !samba
[02:59] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:59] <VanessaE> cool.  I'll have to remember that in future
[02:59] <LjL> ubuntu: type "sudo apt-get install qtparted" or "sudo apt-get install gparted"
[02:59] <ubuntu> oh ok thanx
[02:59] <LjL> ubuntu: gparted is probably more polished, though it's a GTK program
[02:59] <ubuntu> im on the livecd though
[02:59] <oslo> here it is http://paste-bin.com/888
[02:59] <LjL> ubuntu: shouldn't matter.
[03:00] <ubuntu> oh ok
[03:00] <oslo> VanessaE
[03:00] <LjL> ubuntu: anyway, if you're on Ubuntu, you should have GParted already installed. on Kubuntu, guess QTParted isn't there by default otoh
[03:00] <otaku-san> Hey, I've seen it but forgot!  How do you change the icon from the default icon to a new one?
[03:01] <otaku-san> such as for Firefox
[03:01] <VanessaE> oslo: er...ok I suppose that setup will work, but do bear in mind that it's standard to put the CD's on hdc/hdd and your hard disks on hda/hdb
[03:02] <oslo> yeah yeah
[03:02] <VanessaE> however,
[03:02] <VanessaE> take a look at /media
[03:02] <VanessaE> on my box I have /media/cdrom and /media/cdrom0
[03:02] <VanessaE> did you check that the mount points are correct for your setup?
[03:04] <n5> hello
[03:04] <VanessaE> (you mentioned that you can't mount /dev/hda which if it were on my box, would fail too since I don't have a /media/cdrom1 as you've specified in your fstab)
[03:04] <VanessaE> hello n5
[03:04] <n5> i have fr version of kubuntu, how to change in english ? did a little search on site, but no luck
[03:05] <shadowhywind> anybody have any ideas why i would randomly not be able to get a IP with my wireless?
[03:05] <oslo> i have both /media/cdrom and /media/cdrom0 wich link to hdb & i have also /media/cdrom1 that i had to mkdir but this one not working, i cant see hda
[03:05] <oslo> VanessaE
[03:06] <VanessaE> ok, what error msg do you get?  (pastebin if more than one line)
[03:06] <printk> how would one go about changing their default streamer to kaffeine-xine instead of totem?  Firefox keeps trying to use totem
[03:06] <n5> can i get any help ? i've readed, that i can change in control center, but alt+F2 and kconfig not working
[03:06] <VanessaE> n5: I don't understand your question
[03:06] <shadowhywind> who you talking to VanessaE?
[03:06] <VanessaE> are you trying to pull up the KDE control center?
[03:07] <n5> i have french version of kubuntu
[03:07] <VanessaE> shadow: I was talking to oslo actually
[03:07] <n5> how to change langugage to english ?
[03:07] <VanessaE> ah
[03:07] <felixjet> while im playing, my graph cards freezes 1 sec every 20. what can i do? :( is so annoying
[03:07] <VanessaE> well get to the control center first: Alt+F2  and type "kcontrol"
[03:07] <VanessaE> (without quotes of course)
[03:08] <n5> ahhh
[03:08] <VanessaE> I'm going to guess that you want the "Regional and Accessibility" option
[03:08] <n5> not works
[03:08] <VanessaE> ok, try running it from a terminal
[03:08] <oslo> VanessaE>no error message just nothinh in the folder & i hear the cd-rom is starting then it stop & no light on; but it k3b its light on & working perfectly
[03:09] <n5> invalid comand
[03:09] <n5> in terminal
[03:09] <VanessaE> n5: you're running kubuntu right?
[03:09] <n5> yes
[03:09] <VanessaE> ok, you typed exactly:  kcontrol
[03:09] <VanessaE> right?
[03:10] <n5> Impossible d'ouvrir l'emplacement  file:///kcontrol
[03:10] <n5> Dtails : Impossible de trouver l'emplacement ou le fichier.
[03:11] <VanessaE> sec...
[03:11] <VanessaE> ok..   sudo apt-get install kcontrol
[03:11] <otaku-san> printk: this is a stab in the dark...but you may have totem-xine-plugin...or something) it's something that totem uses for firefox...It's on by default in Ubuntu...check in adept (search totem-xine...and see what all comes up) and maybe uninstall the plugin and try finding the kaffeine one...
[03:11] <n5> maybe kcontrol need to type in french ? :)
[03:11] <VanessaE> (that was easy! :)  )
[03:12] <VanessaE> nope, program names don't usually change based on language
[03:12] <otaku-san> n5: no type it in english
[03:12] <otaku-san> !fr
[03:12] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:13] <n5> ok instaled :D
[03:13] <VanessaE> n5: ok, now try running it again
[03:13] <printk> otaku-san: thanks that worked actually
[03:13] <otaku-san> n5: try there if your still having troubles...they may know exactly how to help you...tho' VanessaE is doing great
[03:13] <n5> works
[03:13] <VanessaE> ok good
[03:13] <n5> thank you guys :)
[03:13] <VanessaE> Regional and Accessibility seems like a good place to state
[03:13] <otaku-san> printk: glad I could help!
[03:13] <VanessaE> start :)
[03:15] <n5> thank you VanessaE
[03:15] <VanessaE> don't let my apparent expertise fool you...  Google is My Friend (tm)  :D
[03:15] <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I've just installed Kubuntu, and I need to get internet, because this thing seems to be hopeless without it.
[03:16] <Digital_Pioneer> I've installed NdisWrapper to use my WLAN adapter, but it won't connect... :(
[03:16] <Digital_Pioneer> iwconfig says my access point is invalid. Any ideas?
[03:17] <|WAL|> lol
[03:17] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: what chipset?
[03:17] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, Chipset? You mean my graphics chipset...?
[03:18] <felixjet> ey, my nvidia 420MX freezes on the games too much. what drivers should i use? "nv" , "nvidia" or "nvidia geforce4 (generic)" ?
[03:18] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: I mean what chipset of WLAN is it?
[03:18] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, Uhh, it's a Netgear WG111v2 notebook adapter.
[03:19] <Digital_Pioneer> 0846:4240 if it helps... :)
[03:19] <Hawkwind> Digital_Pioneer: You need to know what chipset is in the card though
[03:19] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: there's no drivers for prism?
[03:20] <|WAL|> I'm pretty sure there are
[03:20] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, I've only ever used NdisWrapper.
[03:20] <mabreaux> does edgy have more support for wireless networks with boardcom chipsets
[03:20] <|WAL|> http://prism54.org/newdrivers.html
[03:20] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Probably not.  Broadcomm chipsets are nothing but a royal pain
[03:20] <shadowhywind> tell me about it...
[03:21] <shadowhywind> i am dealing with a ndiswrapper (iw_set_freq:376): setting configuration failed (00010003) error now..
[03:21] <mabreaux> then recomend a pcmica card that would work better in a b/g  or a/b/g config
[03:21] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: if you still wanna try ndiswrapper.. I have some commands that work for me with Ndiswrapper
[03:21] <Hawkwind> I used a linksys with a broadcomm chipset with ndiswrapper for nearly a year.  Got tired of dealing with it all the time when changing distros so I purchased an Orinoco Silver card brand new in the box on ebay for $20
[03:22] <ccherrett> how do I get sshd running in kubuntu?
[03:22] <ccherrett> I can't find the package to install
[03:22] <Hawkwind> ccherrett: sudo apt-get install ssh
[03:22] <Hawkwind> !ssh
[03:22] <VanessaE> eesh...and to think I was looking into going wireless around the house...  eh, i think I'll keep using my spool of cat-5 :)
[03:22] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[03:22] <Hawkwind> !info ssh
[03:22] <ubotu> ssh: Secure shell client and server (transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2p1-7ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB
[03:22] <Hawkwind> ccherrett: Once you install it, it will start the service for you automatically
[03:23] <arepie> anyone plese look at -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26227/
[03:23] <VanessaE> doesn't he need openssh-server ?
[03:23] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, What might those be?
[03:23] <arepie> i've installed fglrx driver, but the OenGL is still Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[03:23] <orient2000> I need to conect my camera Sony DSC-W50 but there is no driver for it? What can I do?
[03:23] <ccherrett> ok thanks I was assuming sshd was the package
[03:23] <Hawkwind> VanessaE: It's a meta package that will install what he needs
[03:24] <VanessaE> oh ok
[03:24] <Hawkwind> ccherrett: apt-cache search ssh
[03:24] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: I'll pm in a sec
[03:24] <Raven301> Digital_Pioneer: Is this for wireless
[03:24] <mabreaux> what chipset is the orinoco silver?
[03:24] <Digital_Pioneer> Raven301, Yes.
[03:24] <ccherrett> Hawkwind: thanks
[03:24] <Raven301> Digital_Pioneer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174 try this
[03:25] <Digital_Pioneer> Hmm, I don't think Prism would work... It seems to only support WG111v1.
[03:25] <Hawkwind> ccherrett: No problem
[03:25] <Digital_Pioneer> Raven301, OK, one sec.
[03:26] <Digital_Pioneer> Raven301, I don't have a Broadcom on that computer...
[03:26] <Raven301> Digital_Pioneer: oops wrong site https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[03:26] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: I'll have to use paste-bin
[03:26] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, OK, thanks. :)
[03:27] <arepie> !ati
[03:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:28] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26228/
[03:28] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, OK, thanks.
[03:28] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: replace 00:00:00:00:00:00 with your AccessPoint's MAC address, and APNAME with your SSID
[03:29] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: not sure if all those steps are needed, but it does the trick for my WLAN
[03:29] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, I know the SSID, but not the MAC.... :(
[03:29] <Digital_Pioneer> OK.
[03:30] <turtletime> anybody installed kubuntu onto a RAID 5 array?
[03:30] <turtletime> nforce 4
[03:31] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: iwlist scan
[03:31] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, No scan results.
[03:31] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: hidden SSID?
[03:31] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, Nope.
[03:31] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: crappy... wrong driver for ndiswrapper?
[03:32] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, My adapter is not being asked anything, I think. BTW, it's on the computer as eth2.
[03:32] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: I assume you installed the .inf from the windows driver?
[03:32] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, Yes.
[03:32] <VanessaE> ack, just noticed I missed a pm from oslo...wonder what he needed.
[03:33] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: hmmm I'd try to find a way to do it non-Ndiswrapper if there is a way
[03:33] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, What is there other than Prism?
[03:33] <VanessaE> hm, must have gotten buried among the rest of the chat (I hate when I do that :(  )
[03:34] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: is that a usb wireless?
[03:35] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|,  Yes
[03:35] <intelikey> :() { dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/stderr } && :
[03:35] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: you getting lights on the device?
[03:36] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: even the power one
[03:36] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, No. Only one light that blinks once when I plug it in.
[03:37] <|WAL|> but you've verified that the usb aspect is working right?
[03:37] <mabreaux> are there any other pcmcia card the work well with kubuntu?
[03:37] <Digital_Pioneer> |
[03:37] <Digital_Pioneer> Oops... LOL
[03:38] <Digital_Pioneer> |WAL|, lsusb displays it properly.
[03:38] <intelikey> mabreaux i'm sure there are.  but sister google should be a better answerer of such quarries
[03:39] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: ok
[03:39] <mabreaux> but what chipset should I look for?
[03:39] <zblach> hey all
[03:39] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: try iwlist eth2 scan
[03:40] <intelikey> mabreaux maybe try a search for "supported chipsets" "pcmcia"  on http://www.google.com/linux/
[03:41] <arepie> who would like to help me with fglrx driver.. i've read wikis, how to's and i have google.. anyone would like to help..
[03:41] <intelikey> yes with the quotes
[03:41] <arepie> anyone plese look at -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26227/
[03:42] <Digital-Pioneer> :\
[03:43] <Digital-Pioneer> |WAL|, I just got rid of Debian in favor of Kubuntu. This driver always worked just fine in Debian. :(
[03:44] <felixjet> hi
[03:44] <|WAL|> Digital-Pioneer: I'm at a loss then
[03:45] <method|> is the us.archive.ubuntu.com repo down for anyone else?
[03:45] <method|> what is another instant messanger besides kopete and gaim?
[03:45] <VanessaE> off and on it does go down, method
[03:45] <method|> huh?
[03:46] <VanessaE> the repository - that server does occasionally die out for some reason
[03:46] <felixjet> mmm, im triying to install nvidia drivers but they ask for kernel source... it is linux-source-2.6.15 ?? can i lose configs? it this a risk?
[03:46] <VanessaE> it's down for me too.
[03:46] <method|> i see
[03:46] <saki> hello my friends
[03:47] <method|> you cant send files with kopete?
[03:48] <VanessaE> no clue, I do know it's broken on gaim, for some services anyway
[03:49] <method|> it's broken on kopete apparently too :/
[03:49] <felixjet> mmm, im triying to install nvidia drivers but they ask for kernel source... it is linux-source-2.6.15 ?? can i lose configs? it this a risk?
[03:49] <intelikey> felixjet yes no and no  in that order.
[03:49] <VanessaE> it's something you can blame Yahoo/AOL/MSN for though, so I understand
[03:50] <intelikey> felixjet have you read the wiki on that ?
[03:50] <intelikey> !ati
[03:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:50] <intelikey> felixjet ^
[03:50] <felixjet> k
[03:50] <felixjet> readin
[03:50] <intelikey> or the newer page on the wiki's ?
[03:51] <|WAL|> Digital_Pioneer: sorry, fresh out of ideas
[03:51] <|WAL|> cya l
[03:51] <|WAL|> *all
[03:58] <tony_> hell everyone.. Is there any program that can compare two text file ( php ) and show the difference ?
[03:59] <VanessaE> diff will do.
[03:59] <felixjet> ey intelikey
[03:59] <tony_> diff ?? cani get it from adept ..
[03:59] <felixjet> i dont understand this
[03:59] <felixjet> can you clear it for me please
[03:59] <felixjet> "If you are running Hoary Hedgehog or Breezy Badger, then install nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig. DO NOT install either package in Ubuntu 6.06 LTS because it will remove nvidia-glx. These programs are now provided in nvidia-glx."
[03:59] <VanessaE> tony: you probably have it already
[03:59] <VanessaE> from a terminal,   diff file1 file2
[03:59] <felixjet> i should install that packages'
[03:59] <saki> !ntfs
[03:59] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[04:00] <tony_> is there anything that is not Shell ???
[04:00] <tony_> i need to compare and modify text at the same time
[04:00] <VanessaE> eh
[04:00] <VanessaE> dunno how to do that (I'd generally just open a couple of terminals and do it manually)
[04:01] <tarmath> diff viewer?
[04:01] <tony_> well, im new to linux... still shecking off window
[04:03] <cgeo> guys how can i restore the default kubuntu desktop theme???
[04:03] <tony_> what is the different between Lost and Found and Add remove program
[04:05] <tony_> cgeo: System Setting >> Appearance
[04:05] <tony_> i think thats a KDE default
[04:05] <intelikey> tony_ lost+found == the trashbin for the file system mantainance.    that is to say what ever e2fsck might find that doesn't look right it puts there.   generally only a deleted file or two...
[04:06] <tony_> i see , thanks .
[04:06] <Tm_T> sometimes it's lost stuff, so check before removing
[04:07] <intelikey> tony_ oddly enough any fs that does not contain /lost+found  is considered to be a "file system with errors."  by e2fsck
[04:07] <cgeo> thanx tony but i can;t seem to find anything there
[04:07] <tony_> lost and found has sub that called add remove ..
[04:08] <tony_> so i can install apps right from there
[04:09] <tony_> cgeo:: sorry cgeo , thats the best i can do .. im new to linux ..
[04:09] <tony_> well, im confused.. :_) time for bed ..
[04:11] <jon_> what is the command for configuring a nvidia card?
[04:12] <fildo> command ?
[04:12] <fildo> xorg.conf
[04:12] <zblach> hey. i have a bit of a problem with sound on my laptop.
[04:12] <fildo> whats up zblach
[04:12] <zblach> if I enter standby/hibernate, and then leave, my sound fails to start up again
[04:13] <zblach> i've found a bit of a work-around, but it's a hassle
[04:13] <zblach> if i disable my sound server, enter standby, leave standby, and re-enable the sound server, it works fine
[04:13] <fildo> just restart service i assume
[04:14] <fildo> but anything further then that , is out of my support boundries unfortunately ! alsa always worked out of the box for me and my notebook
[04:14] <zblach> i'm guessing so, but what command does [dis|en] abling the sound system call?
[04:14] <zblach> and, which script is executed upon standby?
[04:14] <fildo> > /etc/init.d <something sound i assume >
[04:15] <zblach> and standby?
[04:15] <fildo> it could be an " acpi" issue
[04:15] <intelikey> ?
[04:15] <intelikey> ? /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[04:16] <fildo> yeh i dont have it tho
[04:16] <fildo> thats why i didnt state it
[04:16] <fildo> i only have alsa utils
[04:16] <intelikey> not sure if i have any alsa utils installed any more
[04:17] <intelikey> doesn't look like it, i don't have a script in the init.d
[04:17] <fildo> hmm
[04:17] <zblach> alsa-utils isn't it
[04:18] <intelikey> looks good.  try a "restart" on it
[04:18] <zblach> regardless of the status of alsa-utils, system settings reported the sound server as off
[04:18] <zblach> and a restart of alsa, and a re-enabling of sound server does nothing
[04:18] <zblach> it just hangs on re-enabling the sound server
[04:19] <intelikey> check malone ?
[04:19] <intelikey> may be a known issue
[04:19] <fildo> what notebook u got ?
[04:19] <fildo> so i know to keep away from it :p
[04:20] <intelikey> hybernate / susspend  have been notoriously buggy.
[04:20] <fildo> !alsa
[04:20] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:20] <intelikey> !hybernate
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hybernate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <fildo> intelikey: i had an issue like that! i close re-open laptop
[04:20] <zblach> intelikey: any change in the new beta?
[04:21] <fildo> n it comes back up
[04:21] <zblach> fildo: do you mean close & re-open?
[04:21] <fildo> but i only have standby issues when running xgl
[04:21] <intelikey> zblach i don't know.
[04:21] <fildo> notebook. screen
[04:21] <zblach> fildo: what brand?
[04:21] <fildo> toshitba
[04:21] <fildo> toshiba
[04:21] <fildo> :p
[04:22] <zblach> hp.
[04:22] <fildo> the company that goin broke?/
[04:23] <Manyfold> i just erased a line form the /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride file and now i get the error message dpkg: statoverride-file contains an empty column
[04:23] <Manyfold> what can i do
[04:23] <zblach> last i heard they were in too much shit to go broke
[04:23] <VanessaE> on my box, Manyfold, there's only one line in that file
[04:23] <VanessaE> hplip root 755 /var/run/hplip
[04:24] <Manyfold> VanessaE: yes i installed fuse some time ago
[04:24] <felixjet> lol
[04:24] <felixjet> IceWeasel
[04:24] <felixjet> is the new name for debian's firefox
[04:24] <Manyfold> VanessaE: then i decided to dpkg -purge fuse
[04:24] <VanessaE> oops
[04:24] <fildo> eheh
[04:25] <Manyfold> VanessaE: today it wanted to install insserv
[04:25] <fildo> whats inserv?
[04:25] <Manyfold> VanessaE: a moment please
[04:25] <VanessaE> I don't anything about that file, except that it looks to me to just be "program user perms executeable"
[04:25] <jon_> i need some help with my graphics card
[04:26] <VanessaE> maybe you accidentally lost something from another line in the file?
[04:26] <jon_> when i put it in and restart, my monitor is all black and the green light flashes
[04:26] <fildo> hehe
[04:26] <jon_> its an nvidia card
[04:26] <VanessaE> jon: check your BIOS settings, make sure the video card you're using is the primary card.
[04:26] <fildo> jon_: sure u have the right configuration in xorg.conf
[04:26] <jon_> right now ive got onboard video
[04:26] <VanessaE> and of course that the card works
[04:26] <fildo> did u disable in bios ?
[04:27] <Manyfold> VanessaE: back then i decided to install insserv today and got the following error message
[04:27] <fildo> then load nv card?
[04:27] <jon_> no because i could see to get to the bios screen when i restarted
[04:27] <dennister> g'evening ppl
[04:27] <jon_> should i disable the bios and then put the card in
[04:27] <Manyfold> dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statoverride file
[04:27] <VanessaE> manyfold: ok
[04:27] <Manyfold> VanessaE: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statoverride file
[04:27] <VanessaE> jon: yes
[04:27] <fildo> jon_: could be an idea .
[04:28] <Manyfold> VanessaE: so i decided to delete that fuse line manually from the file
[04:28] <intelikey> Manyfold so groupadd fuse and try again
[04:28] <VanessaE> the BIOS needs to know that it should use the nvidia card as your default (look for something like "Primary Video: PCI/AGP" or so
[04:28] <zblach> thanks all
[04:28] <fildo> nps
[04:28] <Manyfold> and now i get the error message that it contains an empty line
[04:28] <VanessaE> an empty *line*?
[04:29] <VanessaE> or a column?
[04:29] <Manyfold> intelikey: i don't need no fucking fuse group i purged the package
[04:29] <jon_> i cant find the configuration on xorg-config
[04:29] <Manyfold> intelikey: i deleted the group on purpose
[04:29] <dennister> need some help with azureus; anyone here know it very well? including advanced features?
[04:30] <waspius> for some reason my whole system is running very very slow...any ideas on why that can happen?
[04:30] <dennister> waspius: when did it start?
[04:30] <Manyfold> intelikey: and i want dpkg to run wiothout requiering that group
[04:30] <waspius> well it has started latelly
[04:30] <Manyfold> intelikey: sorry it took me away
[04:30] <waspius> dennister:
[04:31] <tarmath> waspius: open a konsole and then type top and see if any process is using allot of ressources
[04:31] <dennister> can u remember what u were doing when it did start? it could be some runaway processes
[04:31] <VanessaE> manyfold: open the file again and just double-check that you didn't add an empty line somewhere
[04:31] <Manyfold> so can anyone help me?
[04:31] <fildo> lol @ runaway .. dam strays
[04:31] <dennister> tarmath has a better idea
[04:31] <VanessaE> maybe hexdump it, shouldn't be much to look for, like two newlines in a row somewhere
[04:32] <waspius> dennister: i dont remember...
[04:32] <dennister> the command could be lspc if i remember correctly
[04:32] <dennister> or "top" as tarmath suggested
[04:32] <Manyfold> VanessaE: i use nano and it shows me 2 lines read
[04:32] <Manyfold> VanessaE: but i can see only 1 line
[04:32] <waspius> dennister: i run top but i dont make any sence really
[04:32] <VanessaE> I take it there's only one line in ..ok
[04:33] <Manyfold> VanessaE: so how can i erase that empty line?
[04:33] <VanessaE> put the cursor on the end of the one good line and just hit the del key
[04:33] <VanessaE> nano is picky like tht
[04:33] <tarmath> waspius: its the list of processes ordered from the one that uses most your cpu down to idle processes...
[04:33] <Manyfold> VanessaE: thanks for your help
[04:33] <dennister> i'm still quite the newbie, so I'm limited in how much i can help i'm afraid
[04:33] <VanessaE> then save and hexdump it to make sure that extra newline was removed
[04:34] <tarmath> waspius: the line you want to look at is PU which is, as you might guess, the percentage of your cpu used by the process...
[04:34] <Manyfold> VanessaE: i still get wrote 2 lines
[04:34] <VanessaE> shit
[04:34] <VanessaE> ok, try it with another editor
[04:34] <VanessaE> vi might be suitable here actually
[04:34] <waspius> tarmath: well the one with the most cpu is pid 4808 and 4963
[04:35] <tarmath> waspius: and whats the percentage of cpu used?
[04:35] <VanessaE> there isn't a blank line *above* the good one is there?
[04:35] <dennister> on my end this is totally strange; can download fine, but be a good seeder and give back what I get? hah!
[04:35] <omar> Hello, I have windows in one machine and I would like to install kubuntu and use both programs, what should I do ?
[04:35] <waspius> tarmath: in total 23-30%
[04:35] <tarmath> waspius: is it always that process on the top of the list? the list is being update every 5 seconds or so
[04:35] <waspius> tarmath: 5.6
[04:35] <waspius> tarmath: those 2 interchange
[04:36] <tarmath> waspius: 30% is allot
[04:36] <waspius> tarmath: that is a total of all of them
[04:36] <tarmath> waspius: give me the process names (the name of the executable, last column)
[04:36] <intelikey> Manyfold what have you got there M$ markup in a config file ?       ( tr -d '\r' file > newfile )
[04:36] <Manyfold> VanessaE: yes there is but it was before
[04:37] <VanessaE> (still that raises a question...wtf does dpkg care about empty lines in a text config file?)
[04:37] <VanessaE> ok, well try removing it anyway
[04:37] <waspius> tarmath: 16,15,17
[04:37] <intelikey> markup
[04:37] <dennister> my gosh: it's late...be back soon
[04:37] <waspius> tarmath: sorry wait
[04:37] <tarmath> waspius: what I want is the COMMAND column
[04:38] <VanessaE> another option is to copy with the mouse the line you want to keep, then   echo "paste text here" > /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride
[04:38] <waspius> tarmath: xorg,konversation,kded
[04:38] <waspius> tarmath: and kicker
[04:38] <mabreaux> not much luck finding a compatible pcmcia wireless card for kubuntu....
[04:38] <waspius> tarmath: kded and xorg are the two top ones
[04:39] <DFM> mabreaux: a d-link dwl-g650  will work out of the box
[04:39] <tarmath> waspius: well, xorg is normally on the top... its the display...
[04:40] <tarmath> waspius: kded I dont know though...
[04:40] <purpleposeidon> omar: If, by 'programs', you really mean 'operating systems', then yes, you can install both OS's on different partitions.
[04:41] <waspius> tarmath: so any idea what i should do?
[04:41] <Manyfold> intelikey: tr -d '\r' file > newfile doesn't work
[04:41] <tarmath> waspius: well theres so many reasons why your computer might be slow...
[04:42] <waspius> tarmath: ie?it was not before
[04:42] <Manyfold> intelikey: error message
[04:42] <Manyfold> sudo tr -d '\r' /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride > newfile
[04:42] <Manyfold> tr: zustzlicher Operand /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride
[04:42] <Manyfold> Beim Lschen ohne Verdichten darf nur eine Zeichenkette angegeben werden.
[04:42] <Manyfold> tr --help gibt weitere Informationen.
[04:42] <tarmath> waspius: before what is the question...
[04:42] <Manyfold> intelikey: which means there is an operand to much
 different partitions? you mean leaving the choise of partitions like I find it while installing kubuntu?
[04:43] <VanessaE> (odd quotes... did the same thing on one website I was looking at today..  one quote at the bottom of the line and one at the top?)
[04:43] <waspius> tarmath: the question is why is it slow and what can i do..it never used to be like this
[04:45] <waspius> you cannot imagine hos slow it has bexome
[04:45] <purpleposeidon> omar: As I recall, you can resize windows partitions. Or, if you have additional partitions laying around (at least a couple gigs) you can use those, or you could use a seperate hard-drive....
[04:45] <posthuman> does anyone knw how to convert mpeg files to avi?
[04:46] <XVampireX> Hey
[04:46] <XVampireX> I got a problem with the sound
[04:46] <VanessaE> bbl
[04:46] <XVampireX> It's stuttering in Games
[04:46] <XVampireX> SDL/OpenGL
[04:46] <cahuez> gggrrreeetings guys and gals, enjoy for a whiiiillee, hehe> http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/ ..
[04:46] <intelikey> Manyfold no it means that tr doesn't read files.... pipe it through.   cat file | tr -d '\r' > newfile and test the new file....    but i'm way to busy to be trying to help in here right now.
[04:47] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me?
[04:47] <XVampireX> Oh, I'm using edgy eft just so you know
[04:47] <intelikey> Manyfold sorry for the interruption...
[04:47] <Hawkwind> XVampireX: Might try #Ubuntu+1 since that is the Edgy channel
[04:48] <Manyfold> intelikey: i did sudo cat /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride | tr -d '\r' > newfile
[04:48] <Manyfold> intelikey: and newfile still contains 2 lines
[04:49] <Manyfold> :(
 How much I should leave for windows, you mean move the bar until there right?
[04:50] <fildo> XVampireX: restart service / restart game / restart computer !
[04:50] <Manyfold> intelikey: now the whole dpkg system is wholly unusuable
[04:50] <Manyfold> i never had this kind of trouble with emerge
[04:51] <Manyfold> ups shouldn't have said this
[04:51] <purpleposeidon> omar: Well, that depends on how much you still want to leave for windows...... not that I have any idea where 'right there' is. How much space do you have total?
[04:52] <tarmath> waspius: "the computer is slow" is too generic a question... it could be anything, you should try identifying which operations are slow... disk transfer? display-intensive applications? etc?
 i have 40 and i just need windows for powerpoint (for my father and messenger) that' it
[04:55] <XVampireX> fildo: Did all of them
[04:55] <mabreaux> DFM: what speed is that?  A/B/G/N
[04:55] <purpleposeidon> omar: Then just leave like 3 gig for windows then.
 the less posible
 3 sounds a lot for me, and when I start the machine will I get a menu with the two options or something??
[04:58] <purpleposeidon> omar: Yes, you'll get a menu, where you can choose between Linux and windows.
[04:59] <fildo> grubski
[05:00] <Manyfold> intelikey: i solved my problem
[05:00] <waspius> tarmath: but everything is going slow..even if i open konqueror it takes ages...anything i open is it a program or jst an application..it is browsing the net..everything
[05:01] <Hawkwind> waspius: What do you have running currently ?
[05:01] <Hawkwind> waspius: What did 'top' show you in a terminal as far as what's taking up CPU usage
[05:02] <waspius> Hawkwind: currently i am running mplayer...konversation...wireless networking and kopete...in top xorg and kded use the most of the cpu
 thank you so much
[05:03] <Hawkwind> waspius: How much of the CPU do the top 2 entries take up ?
[05:04] <waspius> Hawkwind: around 13%
[05:04] <Hawkwind> waspius: What's mplayer playing ?
[05:04] <Hawkwind> waspius: A movie or music ?
[05:04] <waspius> Hawkwind: i think it has to do with the memory not the cpu...music from online radio
[05:05] <Hawkwind> waspius: How much RAM do you have in the box ?
[05:05] <waspius> Hawkwind: but even if mplayer is not playing and i close everything i have the same problem
[05:05] <waspius> Hawkwind: 512
[05:05] <Hawkwind> waspius: Have you tried restarting X ?
[05:05] <waspius> Hawkwind: i restarted my pc but nothing changed
[05:05] <Hawkwind> waspius: As in you rebooted ?
[05:06] <waspius> Hawkwind: yes
[05:07] <waspius> Hawkwind: at the top part of top where it has the total of all processes..under memory it says 450788k total and 442672k used
[05:07] <Hawkwind> waspius: What does free -m tell you ?
[05:08] <waspius> Hawkwind: total 440 used 426
[05:08] <Hawkwind> waspius: When did this all start....what did you do/change/delete just prior to it happening ?
[05:09] <VanessaE> back
[05:09] <intelikey> not the totals the  +/- buffer/cache line
[05:10] <waspius> Hawkwind: it just started..i dont know..i formated my pc set up everything from the beggining and did nothing to fuck it up...and suddently that is what is happening...is there any chance that because i am running wireless internet everything is being fucked?
[05:11] <Hawkwind> waspius: Please watch the language
[05:11] <waspius> Hawkwind: sorry
[05:11] <intelikey> i just killed X and top/free both report 132m used.  but +/- cached mem  is 22m used
[05:11] <Hawkwind> Were you using the system and it was running fine then the next second it wasn't ?
[05:13] <waspius> Hawkwind: yes
[05:13] <Hawkwind> waspius: Then something changed, and you need to figure out what it was
[05:13] <Hawkwind> waspius: Can you put the system on a wired connection and see if that changes anything ?
[05:14] <waspius> Hawkwind: i could but not now
[05:14] <Hawkwind> waspius: I'd try that ASAP.  Probably won't change anything, but it's one less thing to wonder about
[05:15] <waspius> Hawkwind: otherwise what can i do?
[05:15] <Hawkwind> waspius: No idea to be honest.  Surely something has to be eating up CPU or something
[05:15] <Hawkwind> waspius: Maybe your RAM is going bad, harddrive is dying.  Hard to tell
[05:15] <felixjet> how can i join a irc channel that have a  ?
[05:16] <felixjet> dont works >.<
[05:16] <intelikey> top  check the  %CPU coloumn
[05:16] <waspius> Hawkwind: yeah but in windows i have no such problem
[05:16] <Hawkwind> waspius: That's Windows.  This is linux
[05:16] <Hawkwind> waspius: Windows will allow broken/going bad hardware to work
[05:17] <VanessaE> quite a change really.. I seem to remember a time when it was exactly the opposite :)
[05:17] <VanessaE> (but better linux should reject bad hardware for the sake of stability)
[05:17] <manjunatha> i dont know how to install opera in kubbuntu please help
[05:17] <Hawkwind> sudo apt-get install opera
[05:17] <intelikey> i'm not sure it does VanessaE
[05:17] <VanessaE> manjunatha, go to opera.com and download the ubuntu deb from them
[05:17] <Hawkwind> Assuming you have the right repos
[05:18] <Hawkwind> !info opera
[05:18] <VanessaE> use dpkg -i to install it
[05:18] <ubotu> opera: The Opera Web Browser. In component main, is optional. Version 9.00-20060616.7 (dapper-commercial), package size 5415 kB, installed size 12376 kB (Only available for i386)
[05:18] <fildo> !opera
[05:18] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[05:18] <Hawkwind> VanessaE: Why ?  It's in main and can be apt-get
[05:18] <fildo> i agree
[05:19] <intelikey> if you get the deb from the site you might get a later version bug
[05:19] <Hawkwind> There are debs of the latest in different repos.
[05:20] <intelikey> i think i'm caught up for the time being...
[05:20] <intelikey> yeah i was just sauing.
[05:20] <intelikey> saying
[05:20] <manjunatha> ehen i give this command "sudo apt-get install opera" it is replying that couldn't find packages
[05:20] <Hawkwind> The one I use is from Etch, but it works very well
[05:20] <Hawkwind> manjunatha: Make sure you have all the repos enabled first
[05:20] <fildo> # The Opera browser (packages)
[05:20] <fildo> #deb http://deb.opera.com/opera etch non-free
[05:21] <Hawkwind> fildo: Heh, yeah that's the one :P
[05:21] <fildo> put that in source list
[05:21] <fildo> nod
[05:21] <Hawkwind> I don't always like telling users to use a debian/etch repo
[05:21] <Hawkwind> Though that one is safe, so it's all good
[05:21] <fildo> why not ? its simple i guess
[05:21] <fildo> update / upgrade / or just install
[05:21] <fildo> how hard can it be! then dpkg -i
[05:22] <Hawkwind> fildo: Using debian repos on Ubuntu isn't always safe unfortunately.  They have been known to break things is the point
[05:22] <fildo> but not matter if u compile from src. or install package.
[05:22] <fildo> u will still get the same deps
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Again, not the point
[05:23] <intelikey> hehhe i think i'll try  sed 's/ubuntu/debian/g' sources.list && apt dist-upgrade   :)    any chance the system can take it ?
[05:23] <fildo> deb repos on ubuntu is ur point
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee!
[05:24] <dennister> Hawkwind! :)
[05:24] <Hawkwind> intelikey: It'll take the first part atleast :P
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Hey there dennister
[05:24] <intelikey> agreed
[05:24] <dennister> brb
[05:25] <intelikey> i think the syntax is a little different in the sources.list file and i'd have to change the name also... no dapper in debian.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> hey Hawkwind
[05:25] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: How are ya tonight ?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: okay :)  dealing with forum stuff soon, i guess.  work soon too
[05:26] <Hawkwind> Ohhh, forums...they are tons of fun
[05:27] <fildo> work sucks ass!
[05:27] <fildo> but i cannot complain, im at work now
[05:27] <intelikey> you just did
[05:31] <intelikey> hmmm error.  No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/hicolor'.
[05:31] <Tm_T> :O
[05:31] <intelikey> dpkg erroring out on me
[05:31] <Tm_T> intelikey: reinstall package?
[05:32] <intelikey> Tm_T what package ?
[05:32] <Tm_T> uh
[05:32] <VanessaE> oops, sorry for wandering off..  I wasn't aware opera had been moved into the official repos.  I'm used to downloading the deb and installing manually :)
[05:32] <Tm_T> intelikey: hicolor-icon-theme ?
[05:32] <Tm_T> or is that too obvious?
[05:33] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:33] <fildo> VanessaE: probably better that way just quietly! cause u get new build
[05:33] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[05:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[05:34] <intelikey> Tm_T or remove it ???
[05:34] <Tm_T> intelikey: reinstall, you never wan't to live without it
[05:35] <intelikey> i never want to live with it either...
[05:36] <intelikey> looks like everything kde depends on that package
[05:37] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[05:37] <intelikey> that's a good one to remove to lighten the system i guess
[05:37] <Tm_T> half of icons you see is from there
[05:37] <intelikey> i don't see icons
[05:37] <Tm_T> =)
[05:37] <Tm_T> familiar to mee too
[05:38] <Dsbeerf> someone can help me i do add/remove to add mplayer software i click on any suite but mplayer is in gray unable to click to install it how to fix it ??
[05:38] <intelikey> !mplayer
[05:38] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[05:38] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[05:39] <pacman> Dsbeerf: unless I'm wrong, you can sudo apt-get install mplayer
[05:39] <Dsbeerf> apt-get doenst see this package
[05:39] <pacman> are you root?
[05:39] <intelikey> reiserfs developer arrested ?
[05:39] <martalli> do you have the universe or multiverse repositories open?
[05:40] <Dsbeerf> im as user
[05:40] <Dsbeerf> in adept yes
[05:40] <martalli> the reiserfs developer's wife disappeared - apparently they had a very rocky relationship
[05:40] <Dsbeerf> Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:40] <intelikey> he should have apt-get remove hicolor-icon-theme    maybe
[05:41] <Tm_T> ?!
[05:41] <intelikey> just a thought
[05:43] <Dsbeerf> so what i should do ??
[05:43] <Tm_T> Dsbeerf: well, uh
[05:43] <intelikey> Dsbeerf enable the repos and   update
[05:43] <Tm_T> !mplayer
[05:43] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[05:43] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[05:43] <Tm_T> Dsbeerf: look those
[05:44] <martalli> ...automatix is another option for mplayer, but they have their own channel #automatix
[05:44] <XVampireX> martalli: Speaking of reiser, have you tried reiser4?
[05:44] <Dsbeerf> intelikey, is alrealy done
[05:44] <martalli> I'm a boring ext3 guy myself
[05:45] <intelikey> update ?      or "apply changes"
[05:45] <Dsbeerf> both
[05:45] <XVampireX> martalli: Ah, using reiserfs here, don't know how good reiser4 is
[05:45] <intelikey> Dsbeerf cli would be   sudo apt-get update
[05:45] <XVampireX> I heard it's the fastest and got plugins
[05:45] <intelikey> then install mplayer
[05:46] <Dsbeerf> Reading package lists... Done
[05:46] <martalli> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL
[05:46] <Dsbeerf> Reading package lists... Done
[05:46] <Dsbeerf> Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:46] <Dsbeerf> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:46] <Dsbeerf> is only available from another source
[05:46] <intelikey> it's avalable.  enable the repos.
[05:46] <martalli> SF Gate is reporting he got arrested, but doesn't even mention reiserfs (is that good or bad?)
[05:47] <intelikey> !repos
[05:47] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:47] <Dsbeerf> all repos is enable
[05:47] <martalli> I think I am going to have to reinstall kubuntu
[05:47] <intelikey> Dsbeerf pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please.
[05:47] <intelikey> !paste
[05:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:48] <Dark-Vampire> !de
[05:48] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:48] <martalli> I am stuck in 800x600...I think dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org  just won't recognize my monitor is 1024x768 capable
[05:49] <Dsbeerf> inc|freaky, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26242/
[05:49] <fildo> martalli: xorg.conf
[05:49] <fildo> martalli: modify it for your video card! and monitor!
[05:49] <intelikey> martalli add -Plow
[05:49] <martalli> -Plow ?
[05:50] <intelikey> yep to the reconfig command
[05:50] <Dsbeerf> intelikey, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26242/
[05:50] <martalli> I'll give it a try, but first I'll check those commands, for leanring's sake
[05:51] <fildo> anyone here use joe ?
[05:51] <intelikey> martalli sorry  lower case.   -plow
[05:51] <Dark-Vampire> how was the command again "sudo getapp install" any like this but anything in it is wrong
[05:51] <intelikey> means priority of question == low
[05:51] <Dsbeerf> intelikey,  so my repos are fine ?
[05:51] <fildo> Dark-Vampire: sudo apt-get install <package>
[05:51] <intelikey> so it asks them all
[05:51] <martalli> OIC
[05:51] <Dark-Vampire> thanks
[05:52] <martalli> I think that would help
[05:52] <intelikey> Dsbeerf looking
[05:53] <intelikey> !info mplayer
[05:53] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 3265 kB, installed size 7916 kB
[05:53] <Dark-Vampire> fildo: can i get limewire with this command?
[05:53] <intelikey> Dsbeerf nope.
[05:53] <Dsbeerf> what wrong then ?
[05:53] <intelikey> Dsbeerf mplayer is in "multiverse"   add that do line one.
[05:53] <fildo> Dark-Vampire: sudo apt-cache search limewire
[05:53] <Dark-Vampire> thanks
[05:54] <dennister> Dark-Vampire: frostwire, a limewire clone is easily downloaded and installed from .deb package
[05:54] <fildo> !limewire
[05:54] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[05:54] <Dsbeerf> intelikey, which line i have to add ?
[05:55] <intelikey> dsbeerf  make the first line look like this         deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[05:55] <Dsbeerf> intelikey, ok let see
[05:55] <intelikey> save and do    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mplayer
[05:58] <Dsbeerf> aw is fine working now :)
[05:58] <Dsbeerf> thanks
[05:58] <intelikey> Dsbeerf no problem.  you're welcome
[05:59] <Dink> What is a good cpu temp monitor for kubuntu ?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> lm-sensors
[06:00] <Dr_willis> then whatever interface ya like.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> theres karamba desklets, or gkrellm, or proberly some panel applets
[06:00] <intelikey> lm-sensors is about the only option.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> or text based. :)
[06:00] <VanessaE> hm, just got word on slashdot....hans reiser arrested on suspicion of murdering his wife....
[06:00] <VanessaE> oy.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Big Oy!
[06:01] <mariano_> hi, I did crontab -e and add '*/1 * * * * ls -l > file', but nothing happens. cron is running and crontab -l shows the entry. Any ideas?
[06:01] <intelikey> VanessaE we were talking about that eariler
[06:01] <Dr_willis> i thought cron piped most of the output to /dev/null
[06:01] <VanessaE> I must have missed that discussion then ...eh late as usual
[06:01] <VanessaE> :)
[06:01] <intelikey> :)
[06:01] <Dark_Vampire> and i downloaded the Limewirelinux.rpm from limewire.com but i dont know how to use it
[06:02] <Dr_willis> the > file  may be just getting slurped into null!
[06:02] <Dr_willis> Dark_Vampire,  you dont
[06:02] <Dr_willis> !limewire
[06:02] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> BETTER to use Frostwire.
[06:02] <dennister> Dark_Vampire: always look for a .deb download if u can
[06:02] <Dr_willis> type !FrostWire   and see what the bot tells ya :)
[06:03] <intelikey> not worth repeting but my comment was something like 'maybe he should have just removed the high-color-icon-theme'    but something gets lost in the translation
[06:03] <dennister> it's possible to install .rpm packages, but they're meant for other linux distros
[06:03] <intelikey> VanessaE ^
[06:03] <dennister> like mandriva
[06:03] <Dark_Vampire> ok thanks
[06:03] <ubuntu> can anyone help me
[06:03] <VanessaE> eh...bad joke :)
[06:03] <Dark_Vampire> !java
[06:03] <intelikey> or fedora
[06:03] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[06:03] <ubuntu> ??
[06:03] <dennister> Dark_Vampire: i take it ur on kubuntu?
[06:04] <intelikey> VanessaE yeah....
[06:04] <dennister> a 386 platform?
[06:04] <Dark_Vampire> yes
[06:04] <Dark_Vampire> kubuntu
[06:05] <dennister> k 386 platforms are easier than my amd64...u should be ok with almost all .debs....the ones that are stable
[06:05] <dennister> too late
[06:05] <Dark_Vampire> uhm I still here... just i had disconnect befor that was just my old login
[06:06] <dennister> o i c
[06:06] <dennister> now i can use tab-compeltion more easily :)
[06:06] <fildo> Dark_Vampire: just install azereus or opera. they will both handle torrents
[06:07] <fildo> but many have opinions on azereuz .. memory heavy
[06:07] <dennister> fildo: do u know azureus well?
[06:08] <ubuntu> help!!!!!!!!
[06:08] <fildo> dennister: depends on issue1!
[06:08] <dennister> i'm an experienced azur user from windows platform, but am having unusual difficulties seeding now
[06:08] <intelikey> !help
[06:08] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[06:08] <intelikey> !ask
[06:08] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:08] <VanessaE> haha
[06:08] <VanessaE> a few other channels I've been in could use a comment like that :)
[06:08] <ubuntu> hi ubotu
[06:08] <intelikey> :)
[06:09] <dennister> i'm not natted, but can't seem to find peers to connect to in order to be a good return-seeder
[06:09] <intelikey> !ubotu
[06:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[06:09] <mariano_> !cron
[06:09] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. There is a decent howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[06:09] <fildo> ubotu is eggdrop i assume ?
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is eggdrop i assume ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <intelikey> fildo not sure.  but i don't think so
[06:10] <intelikey> !stats
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <fildo> wells its not like it version replies!
[06:10] <dennister> i'm trying to start this azureus install on my newish kubuntu well...but ...
[06:10] <fildo> always a but!
[06:11] <Hawkwind> fildo: He's a heavily modified supybot actually
[06:11] <dennister> heheh...would u know how to improve peer-finding to seed?
[06:11] <intelikey> python  hmmm
[06:12] <ubuntu> hey how can i get help
[06:12] <intelikey> ask a question
[06:12] <intelikey> never know you might get an answer.
[06:12] <intelikey> answers are free.  correct answers on the other hand....
[06:13] <ubuntu> well im starting working with ubuntu, and it worked very well at the begining, printer, network etc
[06:13] <ubuntu> but now i got lots of problems
[06:13] <ubuntu> i have some win machines, like four and six with ubuntu
[06:14] <dennister> ubuntu: i take it ur on livecd mode?
[06:14] <ubuntu> im right now
[06:14] <ubuntu> it's because im in my dad's laptop
[06:15] <Dark_Vampire> how do i know which version of kubuntu i got?
[06:15] <manjunatha> how to have shortcut to opera on desktop
[06:15] <dennister> can u change ur nic so it's easier to speak not to mix u up with the bot?
[06:15] <ubuntu> but at my job i have it in my HD
[06:15] <intelikey> maybe
[06:15] <ubuntu> ok
[06:15] <manjunatha> how to have shortcut to opera on desktop
[06:15] <manjunatha> how to have shortcut to opera on desktop???????????????
[06:15] <intelikey> manjunatha right click on the desktop and create a launcher
[06:15] <limonense> hello
[06:15] <intelikey> or drag and drop the menu listing to the desktop
[06:15] <limonense> i was ubuntu
[06:16] <dennister> limonense: great
[06:16] <limonense> ok
[06:16] <dennister> ok, what specific problems were u starting to get?
[06:16] <manjunatha> thnx
[06:16] <limonense> well my printer doesnt work
[06:16] <Dark_Vampire> how do i know which version of kubuntu i got?
[06:16] <bioticpro> !youtube sound
[06:16] <ubotu> If you aren't getting sound while watching videos on youtube then please read this URL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1087994
[06:16] <limonense> it's installed in i win machine but shared
[06:17] <fildo> Dark_Vampire: lsb_release -a
[06:17] <dennister> limonense: do u have a good image backup?
[06:17] <intelikey> manjunatha or you could open an editor and make a launcher then save to the desktop dir....   but that's prolly over your present head.
[06:17] <limonense> today i tried to install my printer in my ubuntu machine and i couldn't
[06:17] <fildo> haha
[06:17] <Dark_Vampire> thank you fildo
[06:17] <fildo> limonense: dose it support linux ? have linux drivers ? or a network printer
[06:18] <limonense> yes it does
[06:18] <limonense> my version supports hp printer
[06:18] <dennister> limonense: what kinds of error messages were u getting when u tried to reinstall the priner?
[06:18] <VanessaE> time for bed.  night all.
[06:18] <dennister> *printer
[06:18] <fildo> bed! but i just got up !
[06:19] <limonense> when i tried to print it sent to the printer list the document and never printed it
[06:19] <intelikey> yeah bed.... that thing that sissies use....  :)
[06:19] <intelikey> don't tell vanessaE  i said that.
[06:19] <Dark_Vampire> may I update it somehow? just got 5.04
[06:19] <limonense> well sorry
[06:19] <fildo> lol . u must have some good meth :D
[06:19] <dennister> k; it it possible that it's a cups problem?
[06:20] <fildo> Dark_Vampire: apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:20] <limonense> when i sent the dcoument to print, the printer just never worked
[06:20] <fildo> add sudo infront
[06:20] <Dark_Vampire> thanks again
[06:20] <fildo> nps mate
[06:20] <dennister> when i first tried to install mine i was having the same probs
[06:20] <limonense> i think so
[06:21] <limonense> bcause when the printer was installed on the win machine it worked perfect!
[06:21] <limonense> aha
[06:21] <limonense> im reading
[06:21] <dennister> hmmmmmm (trying to remember what i did)
[06:21] <fildo> yeh probably cause its not supported
[06:21] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire hoary ?
[06:21] <fildo> i have a cannon multi function. not suported by linux!
[06:21] <fildo> so hence i cannot use, unless u use turboprint
[06:22] <dennister> limonense: what r u reading?
[06:22] <Dark_Vampire> intelikey: yes
[06:22] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire i know fildo was answering you.  are you wanting to upgrade hoary to edgy ?
[06:22] <dennister> do u think your reading material might solve the problem for u?
[06:23] <Dark_Vampire> whats the difference?
[06:23] <intelikey> or just update the hoary system   i.e. install any bug fixes / security patches  ?
[06:23] <limonense> i mean im reading you
[06:23] <fildo> cause my way just updates system ..
[06:23] <intelikey> about a year and a half of developement
[06:23] <fildo> dosnt upgrade the distro
[06:24] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire the versioning system is  year.month
[06:24] <dennister> ok...i think your printer isn't installed properly in the cups administration
[06:24] <limonense> what should i do
[06:24] <dennister> it's hard to say cause ur not at ur linux hdd install now, right?
[06:25] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire so 5.04 is april 2005 release.  the latest is 6.10  this month.
[06:25] <limonense> right
[06:25] <dennister> i know you go to a web browser and type in the url field: localhost:631...should take u to ur cups admin page
[06:25] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire there are some improvements in hardware support and multimedia support  other than that hoary is not so different.
[06:25] <limonense> yes
[06:26] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire question.   do you have high speed internet ?
[06:26] <Dark_Vampire> DSL 6000(and in 1Mbit lan)
[06:26] <dennister> then you fiddle with the adminstration tab...it can be hard to do, but that could end up being the solution
[06:27] <fildo> Dark_Vampire: good. ull need it
[06:27] <limonense> and when i try to uninstall my printer using cups it asks for my usarname and passwd and doesnt do anything
[06:27] <dennister> there's not really any point in trying to help you further right now, since you can't implement the suggestions...username for cups admin is just lpadmin
[06:27] <Dark_Vampire> ok... and whats the command to get it?^^
[06:28] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire then upgrading would not be so bad for you.  but you might want to dl the latest install cd / iso   and install along side if you have the disk space   then you can migrate all setting to the new system.
[06:28] <dennister> i don't think u even need to fill in a password, but i could be very mistaken
[06:28] <intelikey> shop and compare
[06:29] <limonense> well thanks, tomorrow ill be back in my pc
[06:29] <dennister> limonense: r there any other problems u'd like to discuss now?
[06:29] <dennister> tomorrow would be better, but u said there were lots of problems
[06:30] <intelikey> limonense better pick his brain now.  tomarrow you might only find me    8*|
[06:30] <dennister> lol...i'm a newbie intelikey
[06:30] <intelikey> sssh  don't tell him
[06:31] <dennister> lol
[06:31] <intelikey> :)
[06:31] <limonense> ok
[06:31] <limonense> my next problem is my netword
[06:31] <dennister> i'm just glad i can help someone...i've gotten so much assistance here from others
[06:31] <limonense> network
[06:32] <intelikey> if i can remember it....
[06:32] <dennister> stop it intelikey! :)
[06:32] <intelikey> oh sorry
[06:32] <dennister> lol
[06:33] <dennister> limonense: do u have one ethernet card, or more than 1?
[06:33] <intelikey> you guys crack me up some times
[06:33] <limonense> interlikey whats ur problem
[06:33] <dennister> laughter is great mental health exercise and medicine
[06:33] <dennister> he's just being silly...don't mind him
[06:34] <limonense> ok
[06:34] <intelikey> limonense just getting a chuckel now and then out of typos and other humourous things
[06:34] <dennister> so i ethernet card or 2
[06:34] <limonense> well my ubuntu sys used to be on the Ms networdddddd
[06:34] <intelikey> limonense i'm not trying to be mean.
[06:34] <dennister> typos can be so hilarious...and we all do them
[06:34] <limonense> ok i got it
[06:35] <dennister> back to the network problem: 2 ethernet card or just one?
[06:35] <intelikey> !samba
[06:35] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:35] <limonense> but now it doesnt work
[06:36] <limonense> yes i got samba
[06:36] <limonense> but i need to cofigure it
[06:37] <intelikey> i honestly am about network illiterate, i've never setup a samba config  nor  an eth# for that matter.
[06:37] <dennister> limonense: samba aside...pls answer my question: 2 ethernet cards or just one?
[06:37] <dennister> that has to be taken care of first
[06:38] <limonense> just one
[06:38] <dennister> k can you surf?
[06:38] <limonense> surf???
[06:38] <dennister> surf the net
[06:38] <dennister> do google searches and stuff
[06:38] <intelikey> browse the internet/entranet
[06:39] <limonense> yes i can
[06:39] <limonense> hahaha im an  idiot
[06:39] <dennister> good; that means the other things, like samba and cups, are fixable
[06:39] <KaiHanari> sorry for the spam, script troubles.... its over now.
[06:40] <limonense> aha
[06:40] <dennister> lol...
[06:40] <intelikey> KaiHanari ?
[06:40] <KaiHanari> intelikey, my join / quit spam.
[06:40] <intelikey> i'm not seeing any
[06:40] <dennister> k trick with a lot of things to do with samba can be done through system settings
[06:41] <intelikey> -:- KaiHanari
[06:41] <intelikey><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:41] <intelikey>           et]  has joined #kubuntu
[06:41] <KaiHanari> intelikey, you joined after it all then
[06:41] <dennister> rule is: if you don't know what something means, leave it to default settings...unless you've changed it extensively already
[06:41] <fildo> ne1 setup swat ?
[06:41] <limonense> and how can i conf samba smb:...
[06:41] <fildo> im wondering if i should.! but my conf. is good
[06:42] <fildo> sudo joe /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:42] <intelikey> oh the join / repetes KaiHanari heh ok.
[06:42] <fildo> opps. cause my text editor is joe
[06:42] <limonense> i read i can access the samba server using konqueror right?
[06:43] <dennister> samba has a section in system settings...another program i like for my lamp server here is something called webmin, but don't bother if you don't have a lamp serer
[06:43] <intelikey> KaiHanari i see them but i'm so accustom to ignoring them as they scroll by that it didn't regester with me.
[06:43] <dennister> limonense: when your samba is working you can access the other computers through konqueror
[06:43] <intelikey> so what kind of script ?
[06:44] <dennister> being able to see it and the other computers in konqueror is key
[06:44] <dennister> if you can see them, samba's working
[06:44] <Dark_Vampire> uhm fildo?
[06:44] <limonense> well how do i do it?
[06:45] <limonense> i was looking for a samba GUI i found some but they didn't work, or maybe i didnt work
[06:45] <fildo> uhm ?
[06:45] <intelikey> joe is good
[06:45] <fildo> indeed
[06:45] <Dark_Vampire> lab_release  - a say i still got the 5.04 version?
[06:45] <intelikey> if you like vi
[06:45] <fildo> better then vi
[06:45] <fildo> :P
[06:45] <limonense> and my boss is about to kick my ass out
[06:45] <dennister> setup your own shares first...make sure other comptuers are sharing their drives...
[06:45] <cpk2> limonense: you tried swat?
[06:46] <intelikey> yea but if you don't like vi to begin with you wont like joe either
[06:46] <fildo> swat just webbased config right ?
[06:46] <dennister> chances are that the other computers are sharing...it's just ur pc
[06:46] <limonense> cpk2: no i didnt
[06:46] <cpk2> limonense: all though samba is pretty easy to set up, you really shouldnt need a gui
[06:46] <dennister> yes, that's what swat is...gui config for samba
[06:46] <limonense> ok
[06:46] <Dark_Vampire> lab_release - a say i still got the 5.04 version? @ fildo
[06:47] <dennister> i use webmin instead of swat, but hten again i have a lamp server which isn't needed by desktop-only isntallations
[06:47] <intelikey> slb_realeas
[06:47] <cpk2> limonense: do you already have samba set up and everything?
[06:47] <intelikey> lsb
[06:47] <intelikey> hehhe me tooo
[06:47] <fildo> hoary!
[06:47] <limonense> yes i do
[06:47] <intelikey> lsb_release   ther i finally got it.
[06:48] <cpk2> then why even bother with using a gui? once its set up you really shouldnt need much admin after that?
[06:48] <dennister> cpk2: it stopped working for him
[06:48] <dennister> that and a few other things
[06:49] <limonense> well i cant see my friend's computers
[06:49] <cpk2> oh well thats no good
[06:49] <cpk2> limonense: but you can ping your friend's computers?
[06:49] <Dark_Vampire> fildo ant intlikey: so on horay i can just version 5.04? and is there a way to get edgy without reinstall the full system?
[06:49] <limonense> nop
[06:49] <dennister> do you know how to restart samba if it doesn't initialize at boot?
[06:50] <fildo> yeh u can mirgrate system
[06:50] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire not really.  you are skipping two releases
[06:50] <fildo> brb gotta actually do some work
[06:50] <limonense> i guess...
[06:50] <dennister> another trick with samba is: after every change you make to samba, do a "testparm" command
[06:50] <dennister> hold on...bback in a sec
[06:50] <cpk2> limonense: you guys cant even ping each other?
[06:50] <yonkeltron> will python 2.5 be included in edgy?
[06:50] <intelikey> 5.04 > 5.10 > 6.06 > 6.10
[06:51] <dennister> testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf -d -f
[06:51] <fildo> testparm .. nice command
[06:51] <fildo> mental note on that one
[06:52] <dennister> then it may give you clues through error messages in how to fix it
[06:52] <Dark_Vampire> so i have to download the full CD, burn ist, and install it again? :( (just done that yesterday... the installation of kubuntu, not the download)
[06:52] <cpk2> you can upgrade versions via apt-get
[06:52] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire what cd did you dl ?
[06:53] <Dark_Vampire> the Kubuntu CD... but this is much time ago now...
[06:53] <yonkeltron> any zeroconf gurus in here?
[06:53] <Dark_Vampire> i had kubuntu before but anyway i didnt used it long time... now again^^
[06:53] <dennister> you should be using that testparm after every single change you make, then restart samba
[06:53] <limonense> ok
[06:54] <jose> hola
[06:54] <dennister> that way you can see if the change you've made has worked
[06:54] <jose> i am new in kubuntu
[06:54] <dennister> limonense: do you ever use partimage for true image-type backups?
[06:55] <jose> nadie abla espaol
[06:55] <intelikey> and actually no you don't have to.  you can sed 's/hoary/edgy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade     but be prepared to fix all kinds of querks and bugs and other broken gizmos
[06:55] <limonense> no i never whats that
[06:55] <jose> i need amsn in kubuntu
[06:55] <dennister> k download something called systemrescuecd and burn it to a cd
[06:56] <limonense> ok i will
[06:56] <intelikey> i upgraded from hoary to dapper  that way.   but it's not for the linux newbee nor the faint of heart
[06:56] <dennister> it's another livecd...but with mostly utilities like qtparted and partimage
[06:56] <intelikey> @ Dark_Vampire
[06:56] <dennister> once you have your pc working optimally, use partimage for true backups
[06:57] <jose> i need amsn
[06:57] <dennister> partimage is like Norton's ghost or Acronis Tue Image
[06:57] <limonense> so i can make my backups?
[06:57] <intelikey> !amsn
[06:57] <dennister> I love Acronis for windows myself
[06:57] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-1 (dapper), package size 2233 kB, installed size 7852 kB
[06:57] <jose> si
[06:57] <limonense> oooo norton ghost
[06:57] <intelikey> jose so install it
[06:57] <dennister> limonense: i'd rather not overload you with too much info tonight
[06:58] <Dark_Vampire> i see... then i should not try it couse i am a newbee^^ (ok problems can be very good to make new experiences but... :D like i will never forget the command "umount -l" ;) )
[06:58] <limonense> im saving all ur saying...
[06:58] <dennister> downloading systemrescuecd tonight will help you eventually...but when u get your system working properly
[06:58] <intelikey> !repos > jose
[06:59] <maryen> edgy eft is getting 3.5.5 kde
[06:59] <maryen> weep all ye mortals
[06:59] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire :)    if you can fix things from the console, go for it.   cause i assure you that it will break X for you.
[06:59] <dennister> to use partimage, you boot with the livecd, it's a commandline prompt, and becaue the OS is in ram only, none of your hdd's are mounted
[06:59] <maryen> we're getting that next week
[07:00] <intelikey> and probably also break grub  (actually just the initramfs.img file)
[07:00] <dennister> mount something, but not the drive you want to backup
[07:00] <Dark_Vampire> i like to use the console, but fix anything right now... better not ;)
[07:00] <Dark_Vampire> so ill download a new CD
[07:00] <CelloG> anyone here gotten ATI Radeon X1300 graphics card to work?
[07:01] <jose> nadie habla espaol?
[07:01] <CelloG> sorry, with fbglrx instead of vesa
[07:01] <limonense> si yo hablo espanol
[07:02] <limonense> que paso jose
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !es
[07:02] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:02] <jose> hola que mas
[07:02] <jose> al fin
[07:02] <jose> ok ok
[07:02] <dennister> to mount, say hda5 (where you want to save your backup image) you first "mkdir /dev/hda5 /mnt/mkdir" r
[07:02] <jose> limonense que mas
[07:02] <limonense> dennister
[07:02] <Hawkwind> dennister: Not quite
[07:02] <dennister> where the second 'mkdir' is anything you want
[07:02] <jose> necesito unas aclaraciones
[07:03] <Hawkwind> dennister: /dev/hda5 already exists
[07:03] <limonense> dennister: ok
[07:03] <dennister> Hawkwind: yes, i know,
[07:03] <limonense> a ver dime jose
[07:03] <Hawkwind> You don't mkdir in /dev at all
[07:03] <dennister> k...ur right...i've forgotten
[07:03] <jose> ok yo kiero instalar el amsn como ago pana
[07:04] <Hawkwind> sudo mkdir /mnt/some-mount-point && sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/some-mount-point
[07:04] <dennister> it's just mkdir /mnt/<anything u want>
[07:04] <Hawkwind> jose: English only please
[07:04] <dennister> that's better...
[07:04] <dennister> limonense: Hawkwind really knows his stuff; i'm a noob, remember
[07:04] <intelikey> would ubotu post in the lang of other channels ?
[07:04] <limonense> jose si quieres entra a  #ubuntu-es ahi estoy yo tambien
[07:05] <intelikey> or is ubotu even in other channels ?
[07:05] <jose> ok ya me meto
[07:05] <dennister> Hawkwind: i was trying to explain how to use partimage from the systemrescuecd
[07:05] <Hawkwind> intelikey: /whois ubotu and see
[07:05] <limonense> who is ubotu
[07:05] <Hawkwind> limonense: It's a factoid bot
[07:05] <intelikey> Hawkwind but it's in #ubuntu also
[07:06] <intelikey> another instance
[07:06] <limonense> woa
[07:06] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Right.  If you trigger him here, he only posts here
[07:06] <Hawkwind> Same instance
[07:06] <dennister> and u were ubotu when u first came into this irc channel
[07:06] <intelikey> so whois isn't going to show
[07:06] <dennister> but that's because you were on livecd mode b4 you changed ur nic
[07:07] <intelikey> whois ubotu shows   | channels : #kubuntu
[07:07] <Hawkwind> [12:06am]  Channels )-> #ubuntu-ops #ubuntu-motu #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu
[07:07] <CelloG> from the live CD, how do I mount /dev/sda1?
[07:07] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Depends on channel modes that are set, and what channels you are in with the bot
[07:07] <dennister> because you had the same nic as the bot, that's precisely why I asked u to change it
[07:07] <intelikey> yeah channels you are in
[07:08] <dennister> Hawkwind: it's sooooooo fast!
[07:08] <Hawkwind> dennister: His original nick was ubuntu.  You can't have the same nick twice on the same irc network
[07:08] <Dark_Vampire> intelikey: i have found a site where i read that i should not use edgy right now if Im not a experienced user who want to test it, becouse its a alpha version right now...
[07:08] <dennister> :)
[07:08] <limonense> hehe
[07:08] <intelikey> Dark_Vampire it's set to release this month
[07:08] <dennister> oops...limonsense, that's right, ur original nic was the same as the bot...i did a typo
[07:08] <intelikey> you may be dl'ing the final or if not then it will only be one or two updates away
[07:08] <Tm_T> intelikey: exactly, "will be in release condition"
[07:09] <Hawkwind> intelikey: ubotu is set to +i which is invisible.  Meaning, you only see the channels you and he are both in in his whois info.
[07:09] <Tm_T> intelikey: so don't instruct people who are not experienced to use alpha-beta stuff please ;)
[07:10] <Tm_T> it's just not wise
[07:10] <morghanphoenix> Okay, is there a known bug regarding cd & dvd drives getting stuck trying to read media even when it's not in?
[07:10] <dennister> I'm finally getting some speed in ktorrent here
[07:10] <intelikey> Tm_T is it not ready yet ?
[07:10] <limonense> ok dennister, interlikey and hawkwind
[07:10] <Hawkwind> intelikey: No, not til the 26th
[07:10] <morghanphoenix> Or did I break it in a new way?
[07:10] <limonense> thank you all
[07:10] <Tm_T> intelikey: it's not released, so you can't expect it to be ready
[07:10] <Hawkwind> !schedule > intelikey
[07:10] <dennister> no probs limonsense
[07:10] <limonense> i got go to sleep
[07:10] <dennister> yes, and come back tomorrow when ur at ur pc
[07:10] <intelikey> oh two weeks
[07:10] <limonense> gotta go to slleep
[07:11] <dennister> help will be more effective then
[07:11] <limonense> what time do guys are online?
[07:11] <Tm_T> intelikey: you expect there's two weeks of waiting? =)
[07:11] <limonense> in the morning?
[07:11] <dennister> there's always someone here...it's inernational
[07:11] <Hawkwind> limonense: All day and night.  We never leave actually
[07:11] <intelikey> Tm_T nope i expect that there will be one update in the iso  maybe two.
[07:11] <dennister> *international
[07:11] <Hawkwind> intelikey: There will be hundreds
[07:11] <morghanphoenix> Sleep, I think I forgot what that is.
[07:11] <limonense> wow thats a good thing
[07:12] <Hawkwind> intelikey: In fact, tomorrow all of KDE 3.5.5 will be there
[07:12] <dennister> Hawkwind: where?
[07:12] <morghanphoenix> Now rebooting I seem to do a lot
[07:12] <Hawkwind> dennister: In Edgy
[07:12] <limonense> ok thanks again bye
[07:12] <dennister> ahhh
[07:12] <Tm_T> intelikey: yes but in packages... oh boy it's the most busy two weeks in release lifetime
[07:13] <dennister> have the kde folks fixed thekat problems?
[07:13] <intelikey> yeah.
[07:14] <intelikey> actually all i really have to go by is what they/you did with dapper.   i was running the final a week before the release
[07:14] <intelikey> but i guess that is not normal maybe
[07:15] <dennister> back when i was still struggling with the mandriva amd64 installation(s) kat was giving me all sorts of problems
[07:15] <digivore_> can someone explain this to me.. trying to do some updates, and i get this message in konsole
[07:15] <Tm_T> intelikey: I used dapper from third week of development =)
[07:15] <digivore_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:15] <digivore_>   libtag1-dev: Depends: libtag1c2a (= 1.4-3) but 1.4-4~dapper1 is to be installed
[07:15] <fildo> lshw < good command
[07:15] <intelikey> Tm_T not final
[07:15] <dennister> at least i think it was causing the installations to fall apart with all the crashes
[07:15] <dennister> i'd read about bugs in kat
[07:15] <dennister> anyway, i'm offtopic i think
[07:16] <Tm_T> intelikey: yeah, I lived with dapper its whole 8-month development, what a ride it was
[07:16] <Tm_T> but now I'm gone ->
[07:17] <pierre_> good day to ya all
[07:17] <pierre_> someone here using the last.fm radio streams?
[07:17] <intelikey> and to answer the question asked eariler.   yes i do expect there to be little change if any the last week
[07:17] <fildo> gone to where Tim_t
[07:17] <intelikey> it's not like you can rewrite a major app one week before release
[07:18] <intelikey> or should i say.  shouldn't
[07:20] <intelikey> now Dark_Vampire.    in reply  the release is in two weeks there about.   if you want to wait for the official release of edgy.    i'd still upgrade if i was going too.     (i don't expect to ever see edgy)
[07:20] <fildo> me neither
[07:20] <fildo> im happy with breezy server . n dapper desktop
[07:21] <intelikey> never saw slimy or what ever it was   oh yeah breezy
[07:22] <Dark_Vampire> I'm downloading the CD at the moment :)
[07:22] <intelikey> ^5
[07:23] <pierre_> someone here who can help to get very fast my files from a computer with windows xp?
[07:25] <intelikey> pierre_ can you put that in intelikey'ish so i can tell what you are asking ?
[07:25] <intelikey> what running OS  are the files local or network access ?
[07:25] <Blacken> pierre_: Two ways: Set up an FTP on a server and throw them at it (or SCP if you're going over the 'net), or put them on some sort of removable storage.
[07:26] <pierre_> and i cant make a network connection and share the files?
[07:26] <pierre_> cause the computer can be connected with a crossover cable to my laptop
[07:26] <Hawkwind> Or NFS, or Samba.  Certainly more than 2 ways
[07:26] <pierre_> samba is installed at my kubunut already i guess
[07:26] <pierre_> so probably thats the way
[07:27] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I didn't say there were ONLY two ways...:p
[07:27] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Just two quick ones offhand.
[07:29] <dennister> g'nite pps
[07:29] <intelikey> scp if you can access the M$ box with ssh
[07:30] <intelikey> scp is your friend
[07:30] <pierre_> h m dont know, i am newbie
[07:30] <pierre_> hehe
[07:30] <physicsnick> hi, i just created a link to a bad resource in remote:/
[07:30] <physicsnick> now it won't let me edit or delete the thing
[07:30] <physicsnick> how do i get rid of it?
[07:32] <morghanphoenix> kdesu konqueror?
[07:32] <morghanphoenix> oops
[07:32] <morghanphoenix> I need sleep
[07:33] <physicsnick> no, the links only exist for my user
[07:33] <physicsnick> the links aren't in remote:/ for root
[07:33] <neddiW> hi to all
[07:33] <maryen> hi
[07:33] <morghanphoenix> ello
[07:34] <neddiW> how do i configure ZEROCONF, in my kubuntu?
[07:34] <neddiW> maryen, morphanphoenix, hi
[07:35] <intelikey> physicsnick then the settings are some place in ~/.kde/*       grep -HiRe'remote' ~/.kde    should help you find it.
[07:36] <intelikey> never done that but it should work... may produce lots of output or only a few lines.
[07:36] <physicsnick> blarg, nothing interesting
[07:37] <physicsnick> the link is probably a file somewhere. it's a link like any other, like a mount point or whatever
[07:37] <physicsnick> the fact that it lies in remote:/ is probably irrelevant
[07:37] <physicsnick> why on earth does ubuntu not let you delete links?
[07:38] <intelikey> physicsnick i doubt it's a symlink  but on the outside chance it is.    find ~/.kde -name <insert the name here>
[07:38] <physicsnick> nothing
[07:39] <physicsnick> is it recursive?
[07:39] <physicsnick> i'm pretty sure it's a symlink
[07:39] <physicsnick> i'm doing find / -name <name> right now
[07:39] <physicsnick> searching the whole damn drive
[07:40] <intelikey> physicsnick    find ~/.kde -type l
[07:40] <intelikey> that'll list them all
[07:40] <physicsnick> nothing interesting
[07:40] <intelikey> physicsnick it's not going to be outside your home if other users dont see it..   i.e. root   :/
[07:40] <morghanphoenix> Anybody know an MP3 ripper that has good error correction?
[07:41] <morghanphoenix> KAudioCreator keeps getting hun up on my CDs.
[07:41] <morghanphoenix> *hung
[07:41] <physicsnick> intelikey, sure it could. maybe the file is actually called, say, nick.<name> and they all lie in the same folder
[07:41] <physicsnick> who knows how konqueror parses what it shows in remote:/
[07:41] <intelikey> i still say it's a url not a link
[07:42] <physicsnick> okay
[07:42] <intelikey> physicsnick did you have to give a passwd to make it ?
[07:42] <physicsnick> well how do i delete it?
[07:42] <physicsnick> nope
[07:42] <intelikey> then you have write access to the dir it's in.
[07:42] <physicsnick> good point
[07:43] <physicsnick> i clicked System Menu -> Remote Places, clicked Add a Network Folder, and typed in the wrong server address
[07:43] <intelikey> could be /tmp/     but prolly $HOME
[07:43] <physicsnick> and it happily added the resource, and it won't let me modify or delete it
[07:44] <intelikey> i never mess with that pointy clicky thingy   ...
[07:44] <physicsnick> argh
[07:44] <physicsnick> it lets me rename the link but it won't let me delete it
[07:44] <physicsnick> this is ludicrous
[07:45] <intelikey> umount it ?
[07:45] <intelikey> heh
[07:45] <physicsnick> i had the same problem a year ago in breezy. i made a link to /media/data/tv on my desktop, and it wouldn't let me delete the damn thing afterwards
[07:45] <physicsnick> AFDSGJA FDKGJDAFJAGFDAGF
[07:47] <maryen> !edgy
[07:47] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[07:47] <maryen> when is edgy coming out
[07:47] <physicsnick> the 28th i believe
[07:47] <intelikey> physicsnick care to try something ?     close all apps and switch to a console  and    tar -czf ~/backup-kde.tgz ~/.kde && rm -fr ~/.kde       logout  and back in.   i bet it fixes it..  but it will reset all your kde.
[07:48] <physicsnick> alright, hold on, lemme rejoin in irssi
[07:48] <physicsnick> *sigh*
[07:49] <physicsnick> alright x is down
[07:49] <physicsnick> what command did you want me to run?
[07:49] <intelikey> physicsnick care to try something ?     close all apps logout and switch to a console;    tar -czf ~/backup-kde.tgz ~/.kde && rm -fr ~/.kde           then login.   i bet it fixes it..  but it will reset all your kde.
[07:49] <physicsnick> thx
[07:49] <physicsnick> woah
[07:49] <physicsnick> alright
[07:50] <intelikey> you can restore from the backup file.
[07:50] <physicsnick> how recent is that backup?
[07:50] <intelikey> you just made it.
[07:50] <bmo> what's even easier than backing up the .kde directory is just renaming it to something like .kde.arf
[07:50] <physicsnick> yeah i was just going to say that bmo
[07:50] <physicsnick> but intelikey, what do you mean i just made it?
[07:50] <bmo> mv .kde .kde.arf
[07:50] <physicsnick> it's no good if it backed it up after i made the link
[07:51] <intelikey> tar -czf ~/backup-kde.tgz ~/.kde   will make a backup of your settings.
[07:51] <physicsnick> oh, wait
[07:51] <physicsnick> i understand now
[07:51] <bmo> then when you log back in, kde will create a new .kde
[07:51] <physicsnick> yeah, no, i definitely cannot have that
[07:51] <physicsnick> i already have a huge amount of configuration in kde
[07:51] <intelikey> and you don't have an odd folder hanging around in your home.
[07:51] <physicsnick> ok well just to try it
[07:51] <physicsnick> i'll see if it's still there when i log in
[07:51] <bmo> you can always undo it
[07:52] <intelikey> sure.
[07:53] <physicsnick> oh, wow
[07:53] <physicsnick> the fonts are wonderful
[07:53] <physicsnick> i upgraded from dapper with xgl, where i had all sorts of settings
[07:53] <physicsnick> basically my fonts are a mess
[07:53] <physicsnick> they look really good with the default settings
[07:53] <bmo> hah
[07:53] <intelikey> bmo actually i find that some people like the idea of dropping that tgz to a disk for later use so ...
[07:53] <physicsnick> heh
[07:54] <bmo> can't you copy the default .kde fonts config to your old .kde?
[07:54] <intelikey> physicsnick is the link gone ?
[07:54] <physicsnick> oh well, i intend to format the thing and reinstall edgy when it comes out anyway
[07:54] <physicsnick> bmo: probably, but i don't know how to do that. anyway it's not just the fonts, its the sizes and stuff
[07:54] <intelikey> the link   the link ?
[07:54] <intelikey> what about the link
[07:55] <physicsnick> i had installed some of the font packs from automatix, and i had changed all the sizes because xgl fonts are screwed up
[07:55] <physicsnick> the link's gone
[07:55] <physicsnick> so it's definitely in .kde somewhere
[07:55] <intelikey> i told you so !
[07:55] <intelikey> i told you so !
[07:55] <intelikey> i told you so !
[07:55] <physicsnick> :)
[07:55] <intelikey> :)
[07:56] <physicsnick> uhohes
[07:56] <physicsnick> i did mv .kdeBAK .kde
[07:56] <physicsnick> after stopping x
[07:56] <physicsnick> then i started x again
[07:56] <physicsnick> and it's still on default config <.< >.>
[07:56] <physicsnick> looks like it decided to not overwrite and not warn me
[07:57] <intelikey> told you to make a tgz
[07:57] <physicsnick> yeah
[07:57] <intelikey> i told you so !
[07:57] <intelikey> i told you so !
[07:57] <intelikey> i told you so !
[07:57] <bmo> in .kde/share/config, there are fonts in fsviewrc, kdeglobals, kdesktoprc
[07:57] <physicsnick> heh
[07:57] <physicsnick> well looks like i'm stuck with the default config
[07:57] <physicsnick> at least i got rid of that damn link
[07:57] <intelikey> lol
[07:58] <noiesmo> anyone done a successful upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[07:58] <intelikey> hey it's not my fault if you do something to your box that i didn't say... :)
[07:58] <physicsnick> noiesmo: yes, lots of people, myself for example
[07:58] <noiesmo> physicsnick, cool
[07:58] <bmo> I haven't had a successful one yet
[07:58] <physicsnick> i'm on kubuntu edgy upgraded from dapper
[07:58] <bmo> probably because I've done automatix
[07:58] <noiesmo> physicsnick, you using xgl compiz etc
[07:58] <physicsnick> and as of 30 seconds ago, it works as it should, because i just nuked my .kde :(
[07:59] <physicsnick> noiesmo: i was using xgl and beryl yes
[07:59] <physicsnick> i upgraded to edgy to use xorg 7.1 and beryl
[07:59] <intelikey> physicsnick actually the problem you hit was that you mv'd files to .kde then closed the running kde which overwrote everything you just wrote.
[07:59] <physicsnick> but i haven't managed to install the beta nvidia driver
[07:59] <physicsnick> intelikey: no, i closed kde first
[07:59] <intelikey> it's called auto-save session
[07:59] <noiesmo> physicsnick, aah ok
[07:59] <intelikey> really ?
[07:59] <physicsnick> i also have auto-save session turned off
[07:59] <physicsnick> yessir
[08:00] <physicsnick> i did sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[08:00] <physicsnick> then mv .kdeBAK .kde
[08:00] <physicsnick> then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:00] <intelikey> well i missed that one.   it shoudl have restored it.
[08:00] <physicsnick> yep
[08:00] <physicsnick> i should have done cp
[08:00] <cpt|willard> i just upgraded to the beta on my laptop and it doesn't work so i was wondering how to go about downgrading it back to an older version
[08:00] <intelikey> or made the tar file
[08:00] <physicsnick> :)
[08:01] <physicsnick> i can't wait until edgy comes out for real, and until the new nvidia driver leaves beta
[08:02] <maryen> why dont you just use dapper now physic
[08:02] <maryen> ?
[08:02] <physicsnick> maryen: because i like bleeding edge :)
[08:02] <maryen> er
[08:02] <physicsnick> i'll probably just use xgl again, i still have it installed
[08:02] <intelikey> you can have it.
[08:02] <maryen> i mean why dont you just use edgy now
[08:02] <maryen> lol
[08:02] <physicsnick> maryen, i am using edgy now
[08:02] <intelikey> he is
[08:02] <physicsnick> but i want to reformat when it comes out of beta
[08:02] <maryen> ah
[08:02] <maryen> why?
[08:02] <physicsnick> because i upgraded from dapper
[08:03] <maryen> im liking all the packages we're getting today
[08:03] <intelikey> physicsnick yeah why ?
[08:03] <physicsnick> well, lots of stuff seems a little iffy
[08:03] <physicsnick> for example all my fonts were screwed up, although as of five minutes ago that's fixed
[08:03] <intelikey> i upgraded from hoary to dapper  but that don't make me want to reformat
[08:03] <physicsnick> but i can't install the nvidia driver, which is annoying
[08:03] <maryen> why not?
[08:03] <physicsnick> no idea
[08:03] <maryen> just use the script install
[08:03] <physicsnick> here's what it does
[08:03] <physicsnick> the script says i'm missing kernel headers
[08:03] <physicsnick> so it compiles them itself
[08:04] <physicsnick> then i can start x, and it seems to work
[08:04] <physicsnick> but beryl crashes.
[08:04] <maryen> did you install the driver from the packages first?
[08:04] <physicsnick> but if i restart the computer, x won't start, it says something about wrong kernel headers and dumps me to a terminal
[08:04] <physicsnick> maryen, yes
[08:04] <physicsnick> that one doesn't work with aiglx
[08:05] <maryen> go and remove and purge all packages having to do with nvidia
[08:05] <intelikey> physicsnick it sounds like a kernel version/subversion issue
[08:05] <maryen> like nvidia-kernel
[08:05] <physicsnick> um... i typed sudo apt-get remove nvidia*
[08:05] <maryen> i uninstalled nvidia-kernel-common and source and that fixed the problem
[08:05] <physicsnick> and it's saying it wants to remove linux-386* among a variety of other packages that i definitely need
[08:06] <intelikey> like the headers are compiling without the  -37.ubuntu.586  or what ever subversion
[08:06] <maryen> all i know is i removed those packages and reinstalled the driver and it works now
[08:06] <intelikey> you don't need linux-386  it's a meta package
[08:06] <physicsnick> ooh
[08:06] <physicsnick> okay
[08:07] <physicsnick> if you say so
[08:07] <physicsnick> doing a --purge nvidia*, hopefully my computer doesn't explode
[08:07] <maryen> i was getting the same error btw
[08:07] <physicsnick> after this should i try installing the beta driver?
[08:07] <intelikey> it depends on linux-restricded-modules & linux-image-386 (the kernel package)
[08:07] <maryen> about it having headers for 7186 or whatever
[08:07] <maryen> the one before the current driver
[08:08] <physicsnick> alright
[08:08] <intelikey> physicsnick wait
[08:08] <intelikey> maybe i should rephrase
[08:08] <physicsnick> it's telling me it already has a driver installed
[08:09] <intelikey> you dont need linux-386 unless you need some of the restricted moduls for ndiswarper or something.
[08:09] <physicsnick> the beta driver installer that is
[08:09] <maryen> add the --uninstall tag when executing the script
[08:09] <physicsnick> it uninstalled, but gave me a bunch of warnings
[08:09] <physicsnick> probably because i purged nvidia* before uninstalling it
[08:10] <maryen> eh it should be fine
[08:10] <maryen> oh ya, to make it where the driver doesnt make all your fonts extra huge, do sudo nvidia-xconfig --no-use-edid-dpi
[08:10] <physicsnick> starting kde
[08:11] <intelikey> ah this is bull krap. df says     udev                  4.2G  2.5G  1.8G  58% /dev     but there is nothing mounted on /dev
[08:12] <physicsnick> yeah so it started up, as it always did when i installed the driver
[08:12] <physicsnick> i have the latest svn of beryl, should i use that or the 0.1 release?
[08:12] <maryen> hey physic, you using a dual core processor?
[08:14] <intelikey> well i guess there is.   the initrd must mount root on /dev/ then mount /dev/root on /root   but that makes no sense at all.
[08:15] <intelikey> the output of df is screwy here.   i guess because i don't use udev maybe.  ?
[08:16] <physicsnick> maryen: yes, but right now i'm running the 386
[08:16] <physicsnick> i used the sms kernel in dapper, beryl worked fine on both
[08:16] <xenoterracide> how do I get kubuntu to rember my iptables rules on restart?
[08:16] <physicsnick> i want to get everything working on 386 first, then i'll switch to sms
[08:16] <xenoterracide> s/rember/remember
[08:16] <maryen> do dmesg on the smp
[08:17] <intelikey> xenoterracide script it.
[08:17] <xenoterracide> do I have to write my own init script?
[08:17] <maryen> if it has a line talking about mmconfig, add pci=nommconf to your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:17] <physicsnick> wicked, it works
[08:17] <physicsnick> you're a life saver maryen
[08:17] <xenoterracide> gentoo saves them on shutdown.
[08:17] <physicsnick> now i hope this driver stays when i reboot
[08:17] <maryen> it will
[08:17] <physicsnick> gonna reboot now
[08:17] <physicsnick> thanks
[08:17] <maryen> k
[08:18] <xenoterracide> I have script to generate rules but it's not designed for init
[08:18] <intelikey> xenoterracide no.  you just have to dump the settings someplace and add a command to restore them to something like /etc/rc.local
[08:18] <intelikey> xenoterracide not designed for init ?
[08:18] <intelikey> shell script ?
[08:19] <xenoterracide> yeah
[08:19] <intelikey> just call it from rc.local
[08:19] <xenoterracide> k
[08:20] <xenoterracide> I'll probably just throw an iptables-restore in local
[08:20] <intelikey> unless you are paranoid and want the firewall before the network comes on line.  then put it in /etc/init.d/network   maybe.
[08:21] <xenoterracide> doubtfull
[08:22] <xenoterracide> this computer is eventually going to be behind my gentoo router
[08:22] <xenoterracide> well it is now but I don't have any real firewall in routing
[08:27] <Brydenn33> are there ANY dc++ programs for LINUX?
[08:28] <Brydenn33> any that are good anyway
[08:28] <Berto> hi - my machine is really bad at getting DHCP leases.  It does not connect to any wireless connection with multiple access points all with the same essid.  Has anyone seen that?
[08:29] <method|> dc++?
[08:29] <maryen> sort of berto
[08:29] <maryen> try installing wifi-radar and see if it can get you connected
[08:29] <Brydenn33> method|: http://www.dcpp.net/
[08:29] <Berto> maryen: cool thanks...
[08:29] <Berto> btw - what's the name of the graphical updater app?
[08:29] <shasbot> the touchpad on my laptop seeems to frequently lose functionality, the cursor will move, but it wont seem to affect anything other than a certain portion of one window
[08:30] <Jucato> adept_updater
[08:30] <shasbot> then after a few minutes, it jolts across the screen, and then opens a menu or something, and works again
[08:30] <Berto> thanks
[08:30] <shasbot> has anyone else had a simmilar issue?
[08:31] <maryen> did it work berto?
[08:31] <Berto> maryen: i don't have multiple access points here, but it installed
[08:31] <Berto> maryen: it also doesn't get DHCP from my router either over eth0.  can't figure that one out...
[08:31] <maryen> weird
[08:31] <Berto> it just seems that i have bad dhcp packages
[08:33] <kraut> moin
[08:36] <Berto> maryen: wifi-radar looks good.  Should i get rid of wlanassistant then, or is there any reason to have both?
[08:37] <Berto> next question - for my wired net device, i'd like to use NetworkManager -- but when I run it, NOTHING happens.  Any ideas on what might be going on?
[08:39] <maryen> i don't know whats with network manager berto
[08:39] <maryen> it doesnt work for me either
[08:39] <Berto> haha my one friend swears by it, but i can't even get the thing to run
[08:39] <maryen> did you guys hear?
[08:39] <maryen> hans Reiser got arrested for murder!
[08:39] <Berto> haha yeah just saw that on digg
[08:39] <Berto> was gonna get to the article.
[08:40] <maryen> im reading it right now
[08:40] <Berto> another question - i put in a USB memory device (for my flash card), and have tons of stuff in /dev/sd* -- is there an app that will automount these for me?
[08:41] <maryen> in kde it automounts it
[08:41] <maryen> it'll ask you if you wanna open up a window with the drive's contents on it
[08:42] <fildo> it should in every DE
[08:42] <Berto> maryen: no it doesn't.
[08:43] <Berto> this is the stuff that should be made easy for people and it STILL DOESN'T WORK
[08:43] <maryen> thats strange berto
[08:44] <maryen> the only time i had trouble with it not automounting usb drives is when i built a custom kernel
[08:45] <maryen> it appears there is biological and circumstantial evidence against mister reiser
[08:45] <maryen> that would be messed up
[08:45] <maryen> the murderous filesystem, reiserfs4
[08:46] <Berto> i tell you man, i've been using linux for over 8 years, i'm sick of fighting with this garbage.  every distro claims to be easy to use, and then something like a USB device can't even autoload on every machine.
[08:46] <maryen> harsh unix_infidel
[08:46] <Berto> unbelievable.   and good if he's convicted torture him and give him the death penalty
[08:46] <unix_infidel> Berto: then dont use it.
[08:46] <maryen> ill take my battered heart and hide in the corner
[08:47] <Berto> unix_infidel: typical attitude.  and then everyone wonders why the linux community scrapes the bottom of the barrel
[08:47] <unix_infidel> Berto: I dont complain, i ask questions.
[08:47] <unix_infidel> eg: how do i get my USB drive to autoload when i insert it into a USB port.
[08:48] <Squatch> What's the utility for formatting a new HDD?
[08:48] <maryen|sulking> berto, honestly, right now linux is still growing, and if you aren't willing to work a little to get what you want in it, its not for you
[08:48] <Berto> unix_infidel:  i'm sick of re-learning new distributions hoping that things like this won't suck.
[08:48] <unix_infidel> Berto: getting a usb drive to autoload is pretty much standard accross all "distro"s
[08:48] <Berto> oh god can it maryen|sulking ... i've been following the community for nearly a decade
[08:48] <Berto> unix_infidel: what KDE service should be running for that to work?
[08:48] <maryen|sulking> and yet you whine like this?
[08:49] <bmo> what distro doesn't have automountd?
[08:49] <Berto> maryen|sulking: dude i've done more for the linux community tthan any of you can imagine.  i'm entitled to some crybabying
[08:49] <unix_infidel> Berto: i'd like to see your vitae.
[08:49] <Berto> OK, i plug in my USB card, tons of crap in /dev/sda* shows up -- then nothing happens after that.
[08:51] <bioticpro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZ3FRuH41w&mode=related&search=  <pro linux spot from TechTV
[08:51] <Berto> my work involves getting Linux into the test, measurement, and automation industry using industry-standard hardware and software.  Biggest wins include production machines in many german automaker plants
[08:51] <bmo> berto: which linux distro?
[08:51] <Berto> its stable as a rock.  then i come home and still need to type the command "mount /dev/sda1 /media/whatever"
[08:52] <Berto> bmo: those projects were RHEL
[08:52] <bmo> http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/UserInfo/Resources/Hardware/IBMp690/IBM/usr/share/man/info/en_US/a_doc_lib/cmds/aixcmds1/automount.htm#HDRA131X91DA0
[08:53] <unix_infidel> Berto: that's a pretty generic accomplishment.
[08:53] <Berto> unix_infidel: haha if i didn't sign NDAs i'd love to tell you more
[08:53] <unix_infidel> Berto: i'm glad you got paid.
[08:54] <unix_infidel> Proves the old adage, you dont have to be smart to get paid.
[08:54] <maryen> eh? no flamewars please
[08:54] <Berto> HAHAHAHAHA  oh that's so cute.  i did a lot of work to get that win over windows or some RTOSs
[08:55] <unix_infidel> Berto: like i said, i'm glad you got paid.
[08:55] <Berto> unix_infidel: i never mentioned getting paid.
[08:55] <unix_infidel> :)
[08:55] <maryen> by the way unix_infidel, how do i give k3b rights to burn cds without being root?
[08:56] <Berto> but of course i did, it's my job to make thigns work.   all i'm saying is that it's a battle for everything, but when I plug my USB flash card in my laptop in late 2006, it should just pop up.  this shouldn't still be a battle for me
[08:56] <bmo> mayryen: you run k3b as root _once_ and then you don't have to do it again
[08:56] <bmo> iirc
[08:56] <maryen> nah, i always have to run as root
[08:57] <abattoir> maryen: try running k3bsetup as root
[08:57] <maryen> ok
[08:57] <abattoir> maryen: or S
[08:57] <unix_infidel> Berto: your best bet is to add a line to /etc/fstab.
[08:57] <abattoir> or Settings->Setup K3b would also help
[08:57] <cpk2> maryen: i used apt-get to get k3b and have always ran it as user
[08:57] <Berto> unix_infidel: i know how to do that.  but isn't this supposed to be "linux for human beings" ??
[08:58] <cpk2> Berto: part of the "linux for human beings" is this channel
[08:58] <Berto> touche
[08:58] <unix_infidel> Berto: dont you know a marketing ploy when you see one.
[08:58] <unix_infidel> Berto: you know this, use it.
[08:59] <Berto> apparently not.  ubuntu is doing well though, this is one of my first couple of pet peeves.  beats the socks off mandriva/mandrake
[08:59] <unix_infidel> Berto: honestly i agree there.
[08:59] <unix_infidel> Berto: at the same time, try and do some of the things in Windows with LUA.  And you'll have many more pet peeves.
[09:00] <bmo> http://www.mydigitallife.info/2006/09/10/how-to-mount-usb-disk-drive-in-unix-or-linux/
[09:00] <bmo> read the last paragraph, berto
[09:01] <Berto> bmo: what year is this, 1997?  this paper shouldn't even exist.  In Mac, you know what you do?  you plug it in!
[09:01] <Berto> bmo: anyway, i use kde - hence the kubuntu channel no?
[09:01] <unix_infidel> Berto: no that's in OS X.