[00:33] <Josephur> Does ufw allow for CIDR, I want to allow only certain IPs access to a port
[00:34] <Josephur> Looks like it does.. but I want certain URLs also, may have to brush up on htaccess :D
[00:46] <sarnold> ufw won't do urls
[01:41] <JoeBk> I broke something and need help.
[01:42] <JoeBk> I did software update and now Ubuntu Software won't work
[01:46] <sarnold> pastebin the command and output?
[03:22] <Zed> is there a reason apt does not install vim 9.1?
[03:23] <rbox> apt installs whatever pacakges are in the repo
[03:25] <Zed> ummmm
[03:25] <Zed> Is there a reason the latest version of vim is not in the repo...
[03:25] <Zed> its pretty old now
[03:26] <xangua> Ubuntu is not a rolling release distro, that would be one reason
[03:26] <rbox> 9.1 waas JUST released
[03:27] <Zed> in January
[03:27] <rbox> well if yo uwant a package thats not in the repos, you can compile it yoruself
[03:27] <Zed> I know...
[03:28] <rbox> it looks liek 9.1 is supposed to be in 24.04 though
[03:28] <Zed> was wondering because it is perhaps the most common bit of software...
[03:29] <rbox> "most common"
[03:29] <rbox> rofl
[03:29] <Bashing-om> !latest | Zed
[03:29] <rbox> its not any more special than any other package
[03:30] <Zed> thanks Bashing-om  -
[03:30] <Bashing-om> Zed: :)
[03:31] <Zed> I suppose it was a silly question... and I guess I deserved that..
[06:58] <ice9> on 23.10 with nvidia driver 545; the nvidia-settings profiles has "intel power saving mode" disabled; only can choose between performance and on-demand modes; how can I enable the power saving  one?
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> ice9: nvidia-settings
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> you can switch between powersaving vs high performance there
[07:03] <ice9> lotuspsychje, ok so how can I enable thw power saving mode at all?
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> ice9: sudo lshw -C video, driver loaded correctly?
[07:04] <ice9> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.mozilla.org/MVEQyL9g
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> looks good there ice9
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> i wonder if its a 545 bug
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> try switching to your reccomended driver ice9 ?
[10:12] <ali> ali
[12:14] <tuxinator> others also having big trouble with flatpaks and snaps since some days/since some updates of Kubuntu?
[12:14] <tuxinator>  using 23.10
[12:26] <tuxinator> also why the hell is 4.0.0~alpha2-0ubuntu5 in Ubuntu 23.10 Mantic Stable? It seems to be an Alpha Versoin
[12:26] <tuxinator> Version
[12:35] <ogra_> tuxinator, alpha of what exactly ?
[12:36] <ogra_> just dumping a version number in here doesnt really tell us anything
[12:38] <tuxinator> ogra_: thx for the remark, wanted to copy more :D
[12:38] <tuxinator> it is apparmor 4.0.0~alpha2-0ubuntu5
[12:41] <ogra_> well, its just a version number after all ... noble (24.04) will have beta3 ...
[12:41] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor
[12:42] <ogra_> especially in apparmor that doesnt tell anything about the stability ... more likely refers to upstreaming into the kernel or so
[12:43] <ogra_> (and wont have any impact on snaps anyway, snapd ships its own apparmor userspace inside the snapd snap nowadays)
[12:44] <tuxinator> ok thx
[12:44] <tuxinator> anyway will now just reinstall my machine with conserving /home
[12:44] <tuxinator> and see if everything works again then
[15:13] <maelcum> hello! i'm getting a lot of "inconsistent package combinations"  from the noble repository in the last couple of days. e.g. plasma-desktop depending on an exact version of plasma-desktop-data that isn't in the repository. i don't recall such things in the past.
[15:14] <maelcum> is that normal during big changes leading up to the release or is it really particularly broken right now?
[15:15] <maelcum> Another one is network-manager and libnm0 package versions being incompatible, i.e. it's not limited to kde packages.
[15:17] <tsimpson> the current development release is having most of its packages deleted and rebuilt, due to xz
[15:20] <dob1> hi, firefox on ubuntu xorg doesn't work well after the last update, try to write a gmail message, keep a key pressed and it's very very slow
[15:23] <maelcum> tsimpson: ah cool, thanks! good to know. i had a suspicion but didn't find information about it and didn't know that it has such a big "blast radius".
[15:27] <tsimpson> it's not that all the packages are truly effected, but package dependencies are complex and better safe than sorry in this case
[15:35] <one> ciao
[15:39] <bn_work> is `sudo apt install openjdk-11-jre-headless adduser python3>=3.6 procps` correct apt syntax?  I executed but it seems to just print `WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.` and then not do anything for a long time (ie: no CPU usage) and then after 10 mins exit with RC=0?
[15:40] <leftyfb> bn_work: that warning message is exactly that
[15:40] <leftyfb> leave out the >
[15:41] <leftyfb> though I don't think that's right either
[15:41] <leftyfb> bn_work: why do you think you need python 3.6?
[15:42] <leftyfb> bn_work: you should really look into ansible if you're going to be automating this much
[15:43] <leftyfb> and adduser is already part of the default install of ubuntu server and desktop
[15:43] <leftyfb> as is procps
[15:45] <bn_work> leftyfb: I need python >= 3.6
[15:46] <leftyfb> which includes python python3.10 which is installed by default
[15:46] <bn_work> leftyfb:  you're making too many assumptions, I'm not "automating" it, I just ran it from the CLI, lol
[15:47] <bn_work> I'm just puzzled by the lack of other output too, but it returned RC=0, so presumably it installed it?  🤷
[15:47] <leftyfb> bn_work: bn_work the only package you've specified that isn't installed by default is openjdk-11-jre-headless
[15:50] <bn_work> ok, but is this normal output for apt?  typically I always see many lines of activity
[15:50] <leftyfb> can you pastebin "this"?
[15:51] <bn_work> Re. python:  wasn't there a way to specify to apt a >= version req?  or does it only support foo=version?
[15:51] <tsimpson> the ">" in your original command redirected all the output to the file "3.6"
[15:51] <tsimpson> that's why you didn't see it asking for your password
[15:51] <leftyfb> bn_work: > is not valid when specifying versions of packages
[15:52] <leftyfb> bn_work: but again, you do not need to install pythin >= 3.6 since 3.10 is installed by default
[15:52] <bn_work> leftyfb: there's nothing to see, I ran `sudo apt install openjdk-11-jre-headless adduser python3>=3.6 procps` and it literally only printed `WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.` then returned to prompt after 10 mins (with RC=0, when I checked $? in bash)
[15:52] <bn_work> tsimpson: ah, you're probably right
[15:53] <leftyfb> you said "RC=0"  that is not a valid output of any commands I know which is why I asked to see the actual messages
[15:56] <bn_work> tsimpson: thanks for pointing that out, yeah, it outputted it fine, and just logged it to a file named `=3.6` (that was my fault)
[15:56] <leftyfb> bn_work: the only command you need to run is sudo apt install openjdk-11-jre-headless
[15:56] <leftyfb> the rest of your command is pointless and won't actually do anything
[16:07] <ogra_> there is indeed nothing to see because you redirected stdout to =3.6 ... look for a =3.6 file in your current dir, that should have the output
[16:21] <one> cia
[16:21] <one> ciao
[16:22] <one> help!
[16:22] <leftyfb> one: hello. What is your Ubuntu support question?
[16:22] <one> wi-fi
[16:23] <ogra_> thats a technology, not a question 🙂
[16:23] <leftyfb> they left
[16:24] <plastikman> maybe their wifi died
[16:29] <enesc> hi ubuntuers
[17:41] <fweht> sorry can i install ubuntu (server) without changing my efi?
[17:42] <fweht> i mean without adding boot entries
[17:42] <bprompt> fweht: without changing the EFI partition? sure
[17:43] <xypron> fweht: The installer will add boot entries. To run the image just go to the UEFI boot manager.
[17:43] <fweht> bprompt: nono i want to install it to an external drive it can wipe the whole drive i just want to make sure i can boot the internal drive like before
[17:44] <xypron> fweht: You can have multiple disk, where each disk has an ESP.
[17:44] <fweht> xypron: ok but cant i just tell the installer dont touch my efi?
[17:44] <bprompt> fweht: hmmm do a manual install, as opposed to an automatic, and from there specify where will the boot be, and the partition for root
[17:46] <fweht> maybe i misunderstand something but i could manually boot from an external drive without the boot entry right?  just like i can boot from the live usb without a corresponding boot entry?
[17:49] <bprompt> fweht: if the HD is bootable, yes, UEFI wise, I'd think it'd show up in the menu as an option for booting, you may have to first plug it in, then boot and go into UEFI/BIOS and pick the device from the boot sequence
[17:50] <fweht> exactly thats what i want for now
[17:57] <bprompt> fweht: that's how I boot in UEFI with my LiveUSB, boot, go to UEFI/BIOS boot sequence, it shows up, pick it, save and reboot
[18:04] <fweht> i think ill just delete the boot entry afterwards...  then everything should be as before (uefi wise), no?
[18:44] <Haris_> hello all
[18:44] <Haris_> how to enable mod rewrite for nginx on 22.x LTS? dumb Q. still asking
[18:44] <Haris_> does it come as a separate pkg? its not installed by default I think
[18:46] <leftyfb> Haris_: https://tech.sadaalomma.com/ubuntu/how-to-enable-rewrite-module-in-nginx-ubuntu/
[18:46] <leftyfb> Haris_: first result on google when searching for "enable mod rewrite on nginx"
[18:51] <bprompt> Haris_: ahemm, there's an #ngix channel btw
[18:51] <bprompt> well, #nginx for that matter
[18:51] <Haris_> thanks!
[18:52] <leftyfb> or you could just read the link I provided which tells you how to rewrite URL's
[19:01] <Haris_> yes. already done =)
[19:01] <Haris_> nginx comes pre-loaded with its mod rewrite
[19:01] <leftyfb> it's not a module
[19:01] <Haris_> thye just needed a different try_files line in location / {} section for rewritten URLs to work
[19:01] <Haris_> all done =)
[19:02] <Haris_> yep. its not a mod that gets added separately. its already pre-loaded in core
[19:02] <Haris_> in or as
[19:03] <Haris_> thank you all
[19:05] <Elliria> Do we have reason for concern about the backdoor that was just found in xz? The xz-utils package is installed.
[19:06] <leftyfb> Elliria: did you install the daily image of the unreleased ubuntu 24.04 or enable proposed on 24.04 and update packages from it last week?
[19:06] <Elliria> I'm using Kubuntu 22.04 LTS and it's up-to-date.
[19:06] <leftyfb> then no
[19:07] <Elliria> So all is well?
[19:07] <leftyfb> yes
[19:08] <Elliria> Thank you.
[19:28] <deadrom> Greetings. 20.04 in WSL2, $ sudo apt update or # apt update  give me: W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal InRelease: Couldn't create temporary file /tmp/apt.conf.HqmdO4 for passing config to apt-key
[19:29] <deadrom>  /tmp has 755 perms, belongs to root:root. so what's wrong there?
[19:30] <CosmicDJ> deadrom: /tmp should be 1777
[19:31] <geirha> did you run out of space, perhaps?
[19:33] <deadrom> geirha, thought crossed me, too, but nah
[19:33] <geirha> oh yeah, probably what CosmicDJ pointed out. It probably tries to create that tmp file as a non-root user
[19:34] <deadrom> CosmicDJ, the 1 worries me. It's like proto-matter, it quickly solves certain problems but ultimately becomes unstable
[19:35] <deadrom> the interblogs pointed out 777 might do, lemme try...
[19:36] <geirha> no, never 777
[19:36] <deadrom> yup, 0777 worked just as well. It shouldn't have, though, I'd say whan I sudo -i or sudo bash the 7 in 755 should grant me write access for my root-y tasks
[19:36] <geirha> 1777
[19:37] <deadrom> geirha, why?
[19:38] <CosmicDJ> deadrom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit
[19:38] <geirha> It's called the sticky bit, and it's very important that you include it on /tmp   https://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions#Sticky.2C_setuid_and_setgid_bits
[19:38] <deadrom> eh, come to think: sudo bash might need more params to actually spawn a root shell, not just run bash in a root context
[19:41] <deadrom> "...sticky bit on /tmp. This is important, because we don't want users to be able to delete other people's temporary files and screw up their programs that need to use them." Makes sense.
[20:05] <plastikman> LOL people need to not use /tmp for anything that needs to be kept around
[20:42] <luksi> is it good idea to use new ubuntu version on laptop with 4 GB of RAM
[20:43] <akik> i made this bug report last year (i provided the solution) but it hasn't been fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glmark2/+bug/2025684
[20:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2025684 in glmark2 (Ubuntu) "glmark2 packages are missing dependencies on GL libraries" [Low, Triaged]
[20:43] <leftyfb> luksi: try it and decide if it works for you. Maybe try lubuntu
[20:43] <luksi> good idea
[21:29] <plastikman> akik: I would always use the latest version.....but 4 GB is not much memory
[21:30] <akik> plastikman: i didn't understand
[21:30] <plastikman> akik: sorry wrong person
[21:32] <plastikman> akik: i read your post as from luksi.  I have no idea on your post
[21:33] <akik> plastikman: it's just about missing dependencies for glmark2 and glmark2-wayland
[21:41] <akik> once you install both libgl1 and libegl1 in wsl 2, both of them start working
[21:41] <Josephur> I actually rather like WSL2 :/
[21:42] <akik> why the :/ ?
[21:42] <Josephur> Some people tend to frown upon it, LOL
[21:42] <Josephur> Still has some networking bandwidth issues for me, got better from WSL 1 though
[21:43] <akik> yea it's amazing
[21:43] <akik> if you only have windows
[21:43] <Josephur> Or its a secondary machine you still need to compile and test simple apps on :)
[21:43] <Josephur> I'm bummed they are removing Android app support... I use it for a few apps that are only available to mobile/tablets.  Now I'll have to make my own VM for that lol
[21:44] <Josephur> But anyhow enough Windows talk ;)
[21:44] <akik> it's 100% ubuntu user land
[21:46] <akik> and even the linux kernel with wsl 2
[22:37] <papa> guten morgen
[22:51] <webchat18> is this a correct outlet to ask for a feature for Ubuntu? (I don't think it's a bug). If not, a suggested outlet would be most appreciated. Cheers
[22:57] <jeremy31> webchat18: Use ubuntu bug reports for that and label it as a feature request
[22:58] <`ryban> Greetings!
[23:12] <calamari> Is there a way to force snap to uninstall docker? It keeps giving excuses like "INFO Waiting for "snap.docker.dockerd.service" to stop.", but I don't care whether it's stopped or not, I just want it to uninstall.
[23:13] <cbreak> calamari: can't you just stop it?
[23:13] <bn_work> is there a way to find out where an environment variable was getting set from?  ex:  apparently $JAVA_HOME is defined but it's not coming from ~/.profile, nor ~/.bashrc, nor /etc/profile, nor /etc/bash.bashrc.  Currently running `sudo grep -IRwins 'export JAVA_HOME' / | egrep -v ".log"` but it's been running now for ~24 mins and not finding anything (on a 194/237GB drive)
[23:13] <bn_work> s/defined/set when I echo $JAVA_HOME/
[23:14] <calamari> cbreak: I think I might have finally managed to do it. Now the next excuse is "Save data of snap "docker" in automatic snapshot set #13"
[23:16] <calamari> solved it... have to add --purge .. because snapcrap, I guess.. sudo snap remove docker --purge
[23:17] <cbreak> yes, --purge, because of data persistence
[23:17] <bn_work> hmm, I did find `/var/lib/dpkg/info/ca-certificates-java.postinst:37:                export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/$jvm` but wouldn't that be a one-time thing?
[23:20] <paperin> Hello. Is it possible to run wayland with nvidia proprietary drivers?
[23:20] <JanC> that script only runs on install indeed
[23:22] <paperin> i've found this but it's for arch https://forum.manjaro.org/t/howto-use-wayland-with-proprietary-nvidia-drivers/36130
[23:23] <cbreak> paperin: it is, it's just not working that great
[23:24] <JanC> might also depend on the wayland implementation...
[23:24] <cbreak> with ubuntu 23.10, you can select between X11 and Wayland based desktop environments on your login screen, if your system supports multiple
[23:24] <cbreak> I think that was also possible with 22.04
[23:25] <paperin> im asking this because i noticed lags in gnome-terminal when typing. i thought was my liquorix kernel but it's happening in stock kernel too. i thought running wayland may fix
[23:25] <paperin> (running already nvidia beta drivers)
[23:26] <cbreak> I have worse performance with wayland, and some other bugs
[23:26] <JanC> bn_work: is it important to know where that gets defined?  you can easily override it if you want to...
[23:26] <cbreak> hoping 24.04 fixes that
[23:26] <paperin> :(
[23:26] <bn_work> JanC: I can right now, but worried it will get set again upon reboot
[23:26] <bn_work> from ... somewhere
[23:27] <cbreak> I'm using KDE Plasma, your DE might work better with wayland
[23:27] <paperin> changing DE may work? im using gnome
[23:27] <bn_work> JanC: it's clearly wrong and pointing to an old version, so want to resolve it at the source
[23:28] <cbreak> paperin: you can install multiple of those if you have space
[23:28] <JanC> bn_work: is that old version still installed or not?
[23:28] <bn_work> yes
[23:28] <paperin> what's good beside gnome and kde?
[23:29] <cbreak> apparently some people like tiling window managers like i3 or hyperland. I'm not a fan of those.
[23:29] <cbreak> but I don't know if ubuntu already has any of the wayland ones
[23:30] <paperin> i was checking hyprland but it's for wayland
[23:31] <paperin> i used wayland on the login page in gdm, but it's using cpu's integraded gpu, not the nvidia one
[23:32] <cbreak> hmm, you have a multi-gpu setup
[23:32] <JanC> if you have multiple versions installed from the repositories, you can almost certainly switch what is the default one using 'update-alternatives'...
[23:32] <JanC> maybe that will also set the right $JAVA_HOME then...
[23:33] <paperin> cbreak, yes and no, i have 13700k, it's the intel gpu embedded in the cpu
[23:33] <cbreak> you should have display ports on your GPU, and on the mainboard. The GPU ones should use the GPU, the mainboard ones should use the built-in
[23:34] <cbreak> if you have a laptop, then I don't know how the switching works
[23:34] <paperin> hold on
[23:35] <paperin> brb
[23:37] <JanC> bn_work: did you check in /etc/profile.d/ if there is a Java-related fragment there?
[23:38] <bn_work> JanC: oh!  there is an /etc/profile.d/jdk.sh, so I guess rename to jdk.sh.disabled or so?
[23:39] <JanC> it's possible update-alternatives links the right one there, so still useful to look into that
[23:39] <bn_work> JanC: (inside it it is setting 4 Java-related env vars + PATH)
[23:39] <sarnold> paperin: I'm normally not a fan of webforums .. but this one https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2490293 says to install libnvidia-egl-wayland1 and see what happens
[23:39] <paperin> see? https://imgur.com/a/vlzYgyb if i use xorg, it uses the nvidia card, with wayland it uses intel one
[23:41] <JanC> bn_work: if you rename it it will almost certainly just come back on the next package upgrade...
[23:41] <bn_work> JanC: how to see what put that there?  I'm guessing the java8 package?
[23:42] <paperin> sarnold: ty! let's try
[23:42] <JanC> if this is a symlink (which I assume it is), you should almost certainly use update-alternatives to change the default to the one you want...
[23:46] <paperin> sarnold: ty settings now say nvidia
[23:47] <JanC> bn_work: also, "dpkg -S /etc/profile.d/jdk.sh" should tell you which package placed it there, but that will not work if it is managed by the "alternatives" system
[23:50] <paperin> https://imgur.com/a/GvVq5uZ should be running now, yes?
[23:50] <bn_work> JanC: looks like it's from `oracle-java8-set-default`
[23:51] <JanC> sounds like that is some third party package?
[23:51] <bn_work> JanC: so just remove that package?  or replace it with the equivalent for v11?
[23:51] <JanC> if you don't need it, just remove it, I guess
[23:52] <bn_work> JanC: hmm, not finding an equivalent for 11
[23:53] <JanC> ?
[23:53] <JanC> why would you need that?
[23:53] <bn_work> not sure
[23:53] <JanC> are you using openjdk 11?
[23:54] <bn_work> yes, but good to have 8 as a fallback on the system
[23:54] <bn_work> s/have/still have/
[23:55] <JanC> openjdk-8 is available in the Ubuntu repositories too
[23:55] <bn_work> seems it sets things like the following https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eDYoSAeP/%2Fetc%2Fprofile.d%2Fjdk.sh
[23:55] <bn_work> but maybe it's unneeded since java gets symlinked from /usr/bin or so
[23:56] <sarnold> paperin: awesome! thanks for reporting back :D
[23:58] <JanC> bn_work: you had Oracle Java 8 installed, it seems; for most things OpenJDK would be fine too I think
[23:59] <bn_work> long ago
[23:59] <bn_work> switched to openjdk


[00:01] <yofel> jfi: how did you run apport? it doesn't show anything yet (apport-collect 573346 right?)
[00:02] <penguin42> yofel: Any particular bugs showing up from 10.04 ?
[00:02] <yofel> penguin42: in what sense?
[00:02] <penguin42> just anything that lots of people are hitting
[00:03] <jfi> yofel: yep, but I have a credential issue
[00:03] <yofel> the most bugmail I get right now is the ugly kubuntu splash whose fix is stuck in -proposed
[00:04] <yofel> as well as the icon backgrounds and a few follow up mails on the GEM memory leak where people think they have the bug even though they do not
[00:04] <elleuca> have you experienced srceen blank on user switch?
[00:05] <yofel> jfi: apport-collect should tell you what permissions it needs and open the browser for you to accept them on launchpad
[00:06] <yofel> elleuca: not me (I use Kubuntu though if that has any effect here)
[00:07] <yofel> elleuca: do you have another pc so you can ssh into the affected one after the screen blanks? the kernel log could tell something
[00:07] <penguin42> does anyone understand the french: 'head: Ne peut ouvrir `/boot/grub/video.lst' en lecture: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type'
[00:08] <jfi> yofel, it should be ok now
[00:08] <elleuca> basically changing user without closing the sesson, then switching back to first session makes the screen go "blank", it doesn't seems freeze
[00:08] <elleuca> yofel, yes, ssh could be a good idea
[00:08] <yofel> jfi: it is, thanks
[00:10] <yofel> penguin42: google translate to the rescue: Head: can not open `/ boot / grub / video.lst' for reading: No such file or folder of this type
[00:10] <jfi> penguin42, (french inside), head: Cannot open '....' for reading. No file or directory of this type
[00:10] <yofel> I wonder why that file would be missing...
[00:10] <penguin42> hmm ok, I think those two bugs are the same; ones in French the other is in erm I'm not sure what
[00:11] <yofel> it should  contain the video module grub should use, vbe in my case
[00:12] <penguin42> ah, same here
[00:12] <penguin42> heck /boot/grub really does need a clean out - it's got a load of random junk in
[00:13] <yofel> not really random, most of the files are modules for (the *very* modular) grub2
[00:13] <penguin42> yeh, I've actually got a bug filed against it - some are removable - e.g. the hello module is just an example and there were some others
[00:15] <yofel> might be, but that you have 'cat' or 'ls' on the grub command line *is* an improvement
[00:15] <penguin42> nod
[00:19] <penguin42> anyway, bed!
[02:00] <bahadunn> anyone upgraded to 10.04 and their wireless keyboard and mouse just quit working/
[02:00] <bahadunn> ?
[02:00] <bahadunn> seems like a pretty serious bug as my computer is unusuable right now
[02:13] <arand> bahadunn: I dont't know anything about it, bt general advice is to report a good bug..
[02:14] <bahadunn> I cannot type or anything on the computer
[02:14] <bahadunn> this really sucks
[02:17] <mrand> bahadunn: this would be a general ubuntu problem, not restricted to mythbuntu - so I'd ask on #ubuntu ... or better yet, search for launch pad bugs regarding the chipset the USB receiver of your wireless devices have.
[02:18] <bahadunn> mrand: how do I find out the chipset?
[02:18] <bahadunn> mrand: espeicaly with no mouse and keyboard?
[04:54] <txwikinger> How can I un-duplicate a bug report in LP?
[04:56] <micahg> txwikinger: click the pencil on the duplicate and remove the #
[04:57] <txwikinger> ahh.. must be a Konq issue.. I don't see a pencil :)
[04:58] <micahg> txwikinger: yes, AJAX issue
[04:58] <txwikinger> yes.. other browser has it :)
[04:58] <micahg> txwikinger: bug 452799
[04:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 452799 in malone "no pencil next to title of bug with konqueror (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452799
[04:59] <txwikinger> :D
[05:54] <arand> How does one gather debug from mountall?
[06:08] <Damascene> after I connect my usb keyboard to my netbook the numLK get enabled by default and some letters key type numbers as numLk is enabled
[06:09] <Damascene> the problem is when I remove the usb keyboard the numLK still on
[06:09] <Damascene> that may confuse someone if he tried to logon not knowing that numLK is on
[06:10] <micahg> Damascene: sometimes it's a BIOS setting
[06:10] <Damascene> I didn't change any thing in the bios
[06:11] <Damascene> sorry
[06:41] <dhilip> hi everyone..
[06:41] <dhilip> i want to contribute to ubuntu..
[06:42] <dhilip> where to start this bug tracking
[06:48] <Damascene> dhilip, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[06:50] <dhilip> @damascene, thanks
[06:54] <Damascene> welcome
[06:55] <dhilip> anyother thing i've to be done
[06:56] <Damascene> what is it?
[06:56] <dhilip> sorry..
[06:56] <dhilip> anything else have to done
[06:57] <Damascene> just follow the part about testing and bugs. it would be enough
[06:57] <Damascene> I'm not a member of the bug squad by the way
[06:57] <dhilip> ok..
[06:57] <dhilip> are you from?
[06:59] <Damascene> Damascus
[06:59] <Damascene> but I'm not living there now
[07:00] <dhilip> ok
[07:02] <Damascene> and you?
[07:03] <dhilip> i'm from India
[07:03] <Damascene> interesting
[07:05] <dhilip> i'm doing my final year engineering (computer science and engineering)
[07:05] <dhilip> for past 2 year i'm using ubuntu..
[07:06] <Damascene> you may want to joing #ubuntu-offtopic to share you experience. this channel is for bug related issues
[07:07] <dhilip> ok..
[07:44] <zus> i can not change my browser firefox 3.6.3 from yahoo....
[07:45] <zus> now i looked everywhere and i tried in #kubuntu after trying different things i still get the same
[07:46] <micahg> zus: what do you mean
[07:47] <micahg> google is the default
[07:47] <zus> not for me before i can pretty much type what ever in my adress bar either get google search engine OR the website.
[07:47] <micahg> address bar search never changed
[07:48] <zus> thie si the screen shot of what i get when i  type youtube  http://imagebin.org/95251
[07:48] <zus> or any other adress most comming back as not found
[07:48] <micahg> zus: that's comcast hijacking your search
[07:49] <zus> i hate comcast...hell i dont even have televison at home... (true story)
[07:49] <micahg> zus: I'm assuming they're your ISP
[07:49] <zus> how can i fix this?
[07:49] <zus> unfortunatly yes
[07:50] <micahg> type in the search box and not the address bar
[07:51] <zus> yeah but never ever have i used that little bar.
[07:52] <micahg> idk if we can do anything about it
[07:52] <zus> interestingly enought my desktop sharing pop up notice kept going on about the laptop on the network being refused an invite
[07:54] <zus> so what can i do to make sure this isnt a bug  and just my system
[07:54] <zus> my search box is set to google and so is my home page
[07:56] <micahg> zus: idk, maybe another person with comcast can try
[07:57] <zus> thank you
[08:38] <om26er> vish, there you are bug 332368 is not upstream empathy developer wrote its somthing that should be fixed during packaging
[08:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 332368 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Make menu short description refer to usage not technology (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332368
[08:41] <vish> hmm.
[08:43] <vish> om26er: i think removing that entry would be much better.. as we already have it in the messaging menu
[08:46] <vish> om26er: weirder is that the tooltip in Lucid is now just "send and receive messages"  no instant even :s
[08:46] <om26er> this xchat indicator dont even notify :(
[08:47] <om26er> vish, the upstream task should simply be closed?
[08:48] <vish> om26er: not sure , i dont know enough about debian packaging stuff
[08:48] <om26er> .desktop file should have this I think
[08:48] <vish> om26er: cassidy knows about the bug and he hasnt closed it
[08:50] <om26er> vish, ok I will talk to him tomorrow
[09:13] <Damascene> the feature to disable touch pad while typing is broken
[09:14] <Damascene> and for some reason it likes to cause troubles on this channel. closing it's window
[14:49] <etali> Hi all, Could someone please set #509739 to "Won't Fix"?  Based on the comments on the issue tracker in the link in the comments, the developers already tried changing the button and it was more confusing that way.
[14:49] <etali> Er.... Bug #509739 even
[14:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 509739 in anki (Ubuntu) "Button "more" should say "less" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509739
[15:19] <nigelbabu> etali: done
[15:20] <etali> nigelbabu: thanks!
[15:20] <nigelbabu> np :)
[16:53] <penguin42> I've seen 3 or 4 people over the last few hours of people on #ubuntu having got apt hitting locks
[16:54] <micahg> penguin42: are they trying to update while another process is doing it?
[16:54] <penguin42> micahg: I've not followed them enough to know, but I can't remember seeing it as commonly previously
[16:54] <penguin42> I'm fairly sure one of them explicitly said they weren't
[16:56] <penguin42> might be just one to keep an eye on to see if it starts showing up more
[17:47] <penguin42> is there a reference to the Windows 7/grub problem - some people still seem to be hittting it
[17:49] <joaopinto> penguin42, they just need to run upgrade-grub, or simply get the updates
[17:49] <penguin42> ok
[17:49] <penguin42> heck it's busy on there :-)
[17:51] <joaopinto> first weekend after release is the black weekend :)
[17:52] <yofel> that's if the entry just doesn't show up, the only Win/grub2 bug I have here is 441941
[17:52] <yofel> bug 441941
[17:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 441941 in grub2 (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "grub fails after running Windows (affects: 43) (dups: 2) (heat: 236)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441941
[17:53] <joaopinto> ouch, that one looks bad :\
[17:54] <yofel> yep
[17:55] <penguin42> yofel: Well there was that rerole of the desktop image that was done and I assume theres a bug report about that somewhere
[17:56] <yofel> penguin42: err... well, that one is supposed to be fixed...
[17:56] <joaopinto> that one is fixed
[17:56] <penguin42> yofel: Only on the desktop cd ?
[17:56] <yofel> for reference: bug 570765
[17:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 570765 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Lucid] no GRUB menu entry for other operating systems (affects: 14) (dups: 3)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570765
[17:57] <joaopinto> it only affected the desktop cd


[00:00] <wgrant> zsquareplusc: Which project?
[00:01] <wgrant> They're a bit hard - and sometimes impossible, without SQL access - to delete.
[00:01] <zsquareplusc> https://launchpad.net/aafigure
[00:01] <zsquareplusc> i was looking for a way to get team-ppa linked to the homepage, but what i tried was wrong :(
[00:02] <wgrant> PPA<->project linkage is apparently coming within a couple of months.
[00:02] <zsquareplusc> i found the FAQ but i dont see any trashcan icons on the pages
[00:02] <zsquareplusc> ah, ok
[00:02] <zsquareplusc> so it would be easier for now to just add a note in the description of the project=
[00:02] <zsquareplusc> s/=/?
[00:04] <wgrant> zsquareplusc: Yes - that would be easiest.
[00:05] <wgrant> zsquareplusc: Those two are the sort of links that can't be removed by mortals. Ask an admin to do it for you at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[00:05] <zsquareplusc> heh. ok.
[00:22] <zsquareplusc> wgrant: done. i guess you don't need to know the answers number.
[00:22] <wgrant> zsquareplusc: An admin will probably look at it next week some time.
[00:25] <zsquareplusc> thanks for your time
[01:27] <Hobbsee> how does one unassign a team from a spec?
[01:29] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Bwahahaha.
[01:30] <Hobbsee> wgrant: yeah, i thought as much.  Manual remove from the db, or something?
[01:30] <wgrant> Hobbsee: No, you just need to work out who has privileges.
[01:30] <wgrant> Which is non-trivial.
[01:31] <wgrant> Which spec?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> wgrant: well, i'm on the team, and can't remove it.  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/karmic-fedora-directory-server-inclusion
[01:31] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Oh, you mean you're subscribed?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> wgrant: er, yes, sorr
[01:32] <Hobbsee> y
[01:32] <wgrant> SQL is required for that.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> blah
[01:34] <wgrant> Bug #50875
[01:35] <Hobbsee> oh joy
[03:14] <Sarvatt> would it be possible to move a PPA from an individual over to a team, or would just binary copying every file over be the way to go?
[03:15] <Sarvatt> looking to have https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/xorg-testing moved over to xorg-edgers.
[05:12] <xnox> what's up with debbugs import? all of them fail to import status, or is it just not yet implemented?
[07:02] <sayakb|home> hello! edge servers are timing out.
[09:49] <ripps> I keep getting an error when I try to copy packages from a ppa under my personal account to team account's ppa I maintain. Does anybody know what's going on?
[09:50] <cprov-afk> ripps: which error ?
[09:51] <ripps> cprov-afk: Hmm... I don't remeber exactly, I've gotten 3 times already, I'll do it again
[09:52] <cprov-afk> ripps: okay, let me know.
[09:52] <ripps> cprov-afk: (Error ID: OOPS-1261EC212)
[09:53] <cprov-afk> ripps: okay, it will take up to 10 min to sync.
[09:53] <ripps> okay
[10:03] <ripps> cprov-afk: Can I initiate the copy now?
[10:04] <cprov-afk> ripps: it's a timeout.
[10:04] <cprov-afk> ripps: how many copy candidates ?
[10:05] <cprov-afk> 12
[10:05] <ripps> cprov-afk: I was planning on copying all 12 from my staging ppa to the offical one in gmpc-trunk
[10:05] <cprov-afk> try less, much less in fact, 1 or 2
[10:05] <cprov-afk> I know it's tedious to do that in the UI atm
[10:05] <ripps> I've been testing a ppabot script and I was making the sure the packages were good before moving them
[10:06] <cprov-afk> ripps: but you could also try the LP API for doing your copies in a semi-automatic way.
[10:06] <cprov-afk> ripps: 'ppabot' ?  what's it ?
[10:07] <ripps> I plan on moving the bot over to the offical ppa eventually, but I'm still working the kinks out
[10:07] <ripps> fta's ppabot
[10:07] <ripps> the one he uses for chromium-daily and mozilla-daily
[10:09] <ripps> cprov-afk: btw, copying 4 packages at a times seems to be working
[10:10] <cprov-afk> ripps: uhm, cool! is the code available anywhere ?
[10:10] <ripps> cprov-afk: it's in fta's code branch. ppa-scripts
[10:10] <cprov-afk> ripps: right, every time you experience a timeout in +copy-packages try to reduce the number of copies candidates.
[10:11] <ripps> That should probably be made more clear in the error message. Thanks
[10:11] <cprov-afk> perl .... OMG! :)
[10:12] <cprov-afk> ripps: well, it's an timeout error, not that we are proud enough to explain why they happened :)
[10:13]  * wgrant is surprised that copies are so expensive.
[10:16] <cprov-afk> wgrant: copy checks are expensive, the copy actions are very cheap.
[10:16] <wgrant> cprov-afk: Ah.
[10:17] <cprov-afk> wgrant: so many things can made a copy broken, incomplete builds, unpublished binaries, conflicting versions/files ...
[10:17] <wgrant> cprov-afk: Right.
[10:17] <cprov-afk> it's a huge list and raising all the needed data can't be done quickly enough for multiple packages.
[10:18] <cprov-afk> we have to change the way we approach multiple copies
[10:18]  * wgrant vanishes to dinner.
[10:19] <wgrant> Is the delayed copies spec meant to fix this? I don't see how it can, as it isn't really nice to reject the copy some time after it's requested.
[10:20] <cprov-afk> wgrant: delayed-copies are more related to unembargoing security fixes, right now
[10:20] <cprov-afk> wgrant: but they could be an alternative for copy-batches, specially now that we publish PPAs every 5 min.
[10:21] <cprov-afk> It rather wait for a batch of copies to happen in background in the next 5 minutes than facing successive timeouts  in the UI
[10:22] <cprov-afk> but that's my position, we may decide differently after contacting users affected by this problem.
[10:31] <wgrant> cprov-afk: That's true.
[11:28] <fta> cprov-afk, what' wrong with perl? ;)
[11:34] <mwhudson> it's heretical!
[11:36]  * wgrant hugs Python.
[11:38] <wgrant> It does seem wrong to use Perl to interact with Launchpad, though.
[11:56] <cprov-afk> fta: ehe, it's probably my fault, but I can't read it :)
[13:57] <stefanlsd> staging.l.n down?
[13:58] <d-b> hi there i was wanting to know where development of the 'new' launchpad is up too... / has it gone foss yet? / open
[13:59] <wgrant> d-b: See the link in the topic for open sourcing stuff - July 21st is the magic date.
[14:01] <stefanlsd> wgrant: staging down on your side too?
[14:02] <d-b> (doesn't work for me !)
[14:02] <stefanlsd> d-b: thanks
[14:02] <d-b> that is https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ right?
[14:05] <stefanlsd> d-b: yeah...
[14:05] <wgrant> stefanlsd: Yep.
[14:05] <wgrant> stefanlsd: Maybe it's updating.
[14:05] <wgrant> Or just broken.
[14:05] <d-b> i can ping it ^^
[14:07] <d-b> anyways the july the 21st date .. it goes open + anything else?
[14:08] <wgrant> d-b: Launchpad 3.0 is released then too, but that's not tooo revolutionary (AFAIK)
[14:08] <d-b> cool. so i was like the screenshots from the staging site?
[14:08] <d-b> (when it was up)
[14:10] <wgrant> Hm?
[14:11] <d-b> ah.... does it fix the usability much?
[14:22] <didrocks> hey. I have some troubles on staging to access with launchpadlib (it's working on edge), do anybody is aware of that ?
[14:30] <henry_huang> hi, i got a problem while i am uploading my ppa
[14:30] <henry_huang> The error is Wrong password
[14:30] <henry_huang> i have no idea and the help page does not mention this kind of error...:(
[14:31] <Hobbsee> you shouldn't be using a password?
[14:31] <henry_huang> Could anyone give me a hand?
[14:31] <Hobbsee> where are you getting a password prompt?
[14:34] <henry_huang> Checking Signature on .changes
[14:34] <henry_huang> gpg: Signature made Sun 14 Jun 2009 09:22:09 AM EDT using DSA key ID 98EF1D05
[14:34] <henry_huang> gpg: Good signature from "Henry Huang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:34] <henry_huang> Good signature on /home/henry/repo/userspace-client-for-drcom/tarball/drcom-pum_1.0-1~ppa1_source.changes.
[14:34] <henry_huang> Checking Signature on .dsc
[14:34] <henry_huang> gpg: Signature made Sun 14 Jun 2009 09:22:07 AM EDT using DSA key ID 98EF1D05
[14:34] <henry_huang> gpg: Good signature from "Henry Huang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:34] <henry_huang> Good signature on /home/henry/repo/userspace-client-for-drcom/tarball/drcom-pum_1.0-1~ppa1.dsc.
[14:34] <henry_huang> Package includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests
[14:34] <henry_huang> that it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be
[14:34] <henry_huang> rejected by the upload queue management software.
[14:34] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[14:34] <henry_huang> Uploading to my-ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):
[14:34] <henry_huang> Wrong Password
[14:34] <henry_huang> Sorry, so long message ...
[14:35] <Hobbsee> can you pastebin your /etc/dput.cf please?
[14:35] <henry_huang> here is my .dput.cf content:
[14:35] <henry_huang> [my-ppa]
[14:35] <henry_huang> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[14:35] <henry_huang> method = ftp
[14:35] <henry_huang> incoming = ~henry-s-huang/drcom-pum/ubuntu/
[14:35] <henry_huang> login = anonymous
[14:35] <henry_huang> allow_unsigned_uploads = 0
[14:37] <Hobbsee> i have no idea.  it looks right
[14:37] <d-b> launchpad is still only bzr only yeah?
[14:38] <Hobbsee> i just uploaded a package and it worked fine
[14:43] <henry_huang> oh, sorry, i will pastebin my /etc/dput.cf :P
[14:46] <henry_huang> here is my /etc/dput.cf  -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/195679/
[14:48] <Hobbsee> odd.  it should work.  i've no idea why ti does'nt.
[14:49] <henry_huang> will my special name cause this kind of error ?  ~henry-s-huang
[14:53] <Hobbsee> i've no idea, i dont' work on launchpad
[14:53] <cprov-afk> that's your GPG key password
[14:54] <cprov-afk> oops, wrong post, ignore me.
[14:57] <henry_huang> i got the GPG key and signed the Ubuntero, but failed in the prompt with the error "Wrong password"...
[14:57] <henry_huang> aweful...
[14:59] <cprov-afk> henry_huang: weird, whatever it is doesn't seem to be related with LP, it's local dput being silly.
[16:32] <AskHL> I've made some contributions to the translation of Transmission and want it to be imported in Launchpad (uploaded as a complete po-file).  It has already been reviewed by our translation team.  I am a member of the Danish Ubuntu translator group, so I think I should be able to import it myself.  However I cannot change the file's status from "Needs review".  Can anyone tell me how to do this, or whether I should be a member of other groups
[16:43] <AskHL> Huh, it says 'approved' now.  I wonder if this was automatic or whether somebody else changed the status...
[18:11] <ryanakca> rgreening: Did you ever get my email about the logo?
[18:12] <ryanakca> oops, wrong channel, sorry
[19:29] <ripps> A couple of packages I've copied to ~gmpc-trunk/archive/ppa seem to have froze at pending.
[20:05] <cprov> ripps: the copy is causing some files in the pool/ to be overridden.
[20:12] <cprov> ripps: how did you copy them ?
[20:14] <cprov> ripps: ppa-scripts, is in the game, I guess.
[20:48] <cprov> ripps: I've deleted you sources (and binaries) they will never make their way to the pool/ and filed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/387049. Please add anything you find relevant to the bug report. Thanks for warning us about the problem.
[20:51] <ripps> cprov: yo, thanks for filing the bug for me.
[20:51] <cprov> ripps: np.
[20:52] <ripps> cprov: would a copy-rebuild work?
[20:52] <cprov> ripps: no, it would fail in the same way, the orig you are copying in conflicts with the one that already exists in the trunk PPA pool/
[20:53] <ripps> cprov: so.... delete the current ones, then copy?
[20:53] <cprov> ripps: yes, you can delete the exisiting one waiting for it to be removed from the pool/ then you can copy and it will be published
[20:54] <cprov> ripps: but don't rely on this dance of orig tarballs too much, for it to be removed you have to be sure it's not needed by any other publication
[20:55] <ripps> Actually, I think the whole bad orig.tar was something I caused while playing around with the ppa-scripts, it shouldn't occur in a normal case scenerio
[20:55] <cprov> ripps: The only way I see both PPAs working fine sharing origs is when they both rely on the already existing orig in ubuntu.
[20:56] <cprov> ripps: possibly, that's what I thought.
[20:56] <ripps> the ppa-scripts usually only allow an orig.tar to be uploaded once, than it will automatically upload only diff versions, but I screwed up something and had to recreate my orig.tar
[20:56] <cprov> ripps: anyway, when playing with two PPA (which may contain conflicts orig and be fine) is that the tool has to be extra careful.
[20:58] <cprov> ripps: right, if it happens again (more than 5 min in 'pending') you know what's going on. check the orig and if they are conflicting delete the pending publications OR the existing ORIG (depending on what you want) and it will be happy again.
[21:00] <ripps> this is only a temporary setup, until I'm confident the ppa-scripts won't screw up my gmpc-trunk
[21:01] <cprov> ripps: no worries, keep up with the good work and ping me you have any trouble :)
[21:01] <ripps> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
[21:02]  * cprov dashes for food and movies
[21:02] <cprov> ripps: :)


[02:55] <sadmac> .wub 34
[02:57] <ion> wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub
[20:27] <tgm4883> I'm trying to find if it's possible to have upstart run a job as another user. It would be a non-interactive job. I've found a post that mentions it is going to be in an upcoming version, but I can't find anything else about it, and I'm not sure where I can subscribe to so I see when this functionality exists
[20:28] <ion> Use su for now.
[20:29] <tgm4883> from what I've read, su won't work as it needs an interactive console
[20:33] <tgm4883> correction, consolekit. We actually used to use su, but it caused issues with that and shutdown
[21:45] <JanC> tgm4883: I don't know why 'su' shouldn't work
[21:48] <JanC> maybe it needs some options in some environments?
[21:50] <superm1> tgm4883 asked me to pop over here about su.  we ran into problems with su in the job that it left an interactive consolekit session open
[21:51] <superm1> so if someone tried to reboot the machine it seemed like people were still logged in and there was a warning every time to reboot
[21:52] <tgm4883> JanC, ^
[21:59] <JanC> IMO that would be a bug in 'su' (or maybe su has an option to prevent that)?
[22:00] <JanC> (or maybe sudo is more powerful in that respect?)
[22:04] <JanC> the 'su' manpage lists a specific option to mimic a login session, so that indicates it should not start one by default?
[22:19] <superm1> we were previously doing "exec /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/mythbackend $ARGS" $USER" which caused ck-list-sessions to list a mythtv session
[22:19] <superm1> since then we've added support to mythtv to setuid seteuid etc, but this has the side effect that core dumps can't be captured anymore
[22:20] <superm1> slangasek explained here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/445953/comments/19


[00:19] <marrusl> magicrobotmonkey, if you want to restart it without rebooting, you can rename the job file and start that job name.
[17:22] <magicrobotmonkey> lets say you've got this daemon that, according to strace, forks 5 times
[17:23] <SpamapS> magicrobotmonkey: "this daemon" is doing it wrong
[17:23] <magicrobotmonkey> i know
[17:25] <SpamapS> magicrobotmonkey: do you have any control over the daemon?
[17:25] <SpamapS> magicrobotmonkey: like, can you change its code or pass options to run it in the foreground?
[17:25] <magicrobotmonkey> yea i can probably get in there and hack around a bit
[17:26] <magicrobotmonkey> https://gist.github.com/acdha/1506392
[17:26] <magicrobotmonkey> im also not sure that it actually is forking 5 times
[17:27] <SpamapS> its a shell script?
[17:27] <SpamapS> unless the shell script uses 'exec', thats one fork
[17:29] <magicrobotmonkey> no its a shell script that calls a python script that does it's own daemonizing
[17:29] <SpamapS> ah
[17:29] <SpamapS> graphite is made by pretty sane people, I bet it can run in the foreground
[17:30] <magicrobotmonkey> yea i agree, i'll keep hacking around, thanks
[20:29] <magicrobotmonkey> hey what happens if your script has a prestart but no script/exec, like this: https://github.com/gosquared/graphite-cookbook/blob/master/templates/default/carbon-cache.upstart.erb
[20:33] <jY> is there anyway to fix the hang on start/stop without a reboot or rename the conf in /etc/init
[20:37] <SpamapS> jY: yes, you can loop the pid space to re-create the dead pid
[20:37] <jY> SpamapS: but i need to do that for all services
[20:37] <jY> or just run it once?
[20:37] <SpamapS> all?
[20:38] <SpamapS> jY: you have one stuck job right?
[20:38] <jY> yes
[20:38] <SpamapS> jY: just once
[20:38] <jY> whats a command to do that
[20:38] <SpamapS> jY: there's a ruby script that does it linked in the bug
[20:38] <jY> thanks
[20:40] <magicrobotmonkey> there's a bash script on it too
[20:40] <jY> ok i'll try to find the bug
[20:41] <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/406397
[20:44] <jY> i take it i use the ruby script to hit the pid of the hung start/stop?
[20:45] <magicrobotmonkey> yup
[20:47] <jY> thanks guys


[09:36] <Comete> hi
[10:54] <bimberi> !hi | Comete
[12:51] <jodgi> Hi people!
[12:54] <jodgi> any LTSP admins on today?
[17:38] <joebaker> Is there a problem with tftpd-hpa that is keeping ltsp from working besides the bug report I filed?
[18:40] <ogra> there are no known problems with tftpd-hp, no
[18:41] <ogra> it runs fine for many many users out there, whats your prob ?
[20:15] <aarmelvin_Linux> ?
[20:17] <aarmelvin_Linux> can we set up edubuntu to control all students.....like locking Desktop Screens and things like that..
[20:17] <aarmelvin_Linux> since i am Lecturer i need some details regarding this
[20:18] <stgraber> have a look at iTalc
[20:18] <stgraber> it's included with 8.04
[20:19] <aarmelvin_Linux> since we are going to launch Netop software (a commercial software) to monitoring students laptop screen....and to control them..
[20:19] <aarmelvin_Linux> ok
[20:19] <aarmelvin_Linux> thanks...
[20:19] <aarmelvin_Linux> i will try
[20:19] <aarmelvin_Linux> can i know some features of that Utility
[20:19] <stgraber> iTalc is an opensource classroom management that can be used for both Linux and Windows. I did the integration with Ubuntu for Hardy
[20:20] <aarmelvin_Linux> thanks a lot..
[20:20] <stgraber> demo mode (fullscreen/windowed), screen locking, remote control, logout, shutdown, reboot, wakeup (if you have wake-on-lan), text message to the student
[20:20] <stgraber> http://italc.sourceforge.net is the upstream website
[20:21] <stgraber> packages in Ubuntu are italc-client (installed with Edubuntu) and italc-master
[20:21] <aarmelvin_Linux> thats cool...
[20:21] <aarmelvin_Linux> ok
[20:21] <stgraber> the connection between the master and the clients is done using some SSL so you'll need to copy keys from the master computer to the clients (the public key) so you can then add them and control them
[20:22] <stgraber> (that's something we'd like to make easier in the future)
[20:22] <Lns> stgraber, i was just looking at italc - is this pretty stable in hardy?
[20:23] <stgraber> we still have some crashes with the integrated X11VNC server, I have built some debuging packages yesterday and hope to have time debuging that soon
[20:23] <stgraber> for normal use it should work fine
[20:24] <stgraber> the new release (that'll probably be backported to hardy) also has avahi so you get an auto-generated classroom with computers near you
[20:24] <stgraber> the x11vnc crash seems to happen more often when using computers with high resolutions (> 1024x768) and stressing the VNC (compiz effects, video). Other than that it's stable
[20:33] <Lns> hmm...1024x768 is pretty common for me
[20:35] <Lns> that sounds nice though... so it's going to replace thin-client-manager eventually?
[20:37] <stgraber> indeed
[20:37] <stgraber> tcm is no longer maintained
[20:39] <Lns> gotcha
[20:44] <aarmelvin_Linux> can we restrict students from installing softwares thro Synaptic Package manager.....since as far as Ubuntu is concerned, he/she can install softwares with his/her login passwd
[20:45] <aarmelvin_Linux> i mean normal user passwd without root passwd
[20:46] <Lns> aarmelvin_Linux, pretty sure you have to be in the 'admin' group to do that
[20:46] <Lns> First created user has that, but subsequent users don't
[20:46] <aarmelvin_Linux> oh.....thats a good idea....thanks..
[20:47] <Lns> np


[07:46] <valorie> @login
[07:47] <valorie> @btlogin
[10:14] <k1l> !wayland
[10:14] <k1l> that needs a rephrasing, too :)
[10:20] <Unit193> !xmir
[10:20] <Unit193> !mirspec
[15:00] <k1l_> [CrackerJack] (~deb@90-154-195-113.ip.btc-net.bg): Ivan Nikolov
[15:00] <k1l_> [CrackerJack] is logged in as crackerjack
[15:00] <k1l_> that is dremans 2nd account he is using to evade bans
[15:01] <k1l_> i would report it to freenode staff but they dont mind as long as i dont send trolls to their own channels
[15:28] <dax> niko, ikonia: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2017-April/001882.html
[15:29] <dax> (in case you didn't already see it)
[15:31] <ikonia> dax: thanks, I wonder why they couldn't get my email address from launchpad ?
[15:31] <Fuchs> because they can't if it is hidden
[15:31] <Fuchs> something I complained ages ago
[15:31] <ikonia> it's never been hidden before though,
[15:31] <Fuchs> so I wonder why it worked this time
[15:31] <ikonia> I'm surprised by that
[15:31] <dax> well they can, they just need to get CC to ask infra
[15:31] <dax> which nobody bothers doing
[15:31] <Fuchs> then maybe they inverted it this year
[15:31] <Fuchs> for fairness
[15:32] <ikonia> I'll make sure it's not hidden, it's not been in the past, but thank you dax
[15:42] <dax> mine always has been and I'm used to having to poke about it


[00:00] <wgrant> Just make sure lucid-lp-base isn't running while the clones are.
[00:00] <wgrant> Doesn't matter wth the btrfs variant, but for aufs it does.
[00:00] <wgrant> Also, it needs to have your SSH key in authorized_keys, as you may be able to tell.
[00:03] <wgrant> There's probably some huge piece I've completely forgotten, but hunting for that can happen tomorrow.
[00:09] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #676: FAILURE in 5 hr 48 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/676/
[00:09] <lifeless> wgrant: well, I am probably going to keep 100GB or so of windows around Just In Case
[00:10] <lifeless> I'm assuming dmraid will handle the dell raid setup
[00:10] <wgrant> Bah.
[00:10] <wgrant> Possibly.
[03:21] <lifeless> mwhudson: you have a sandybridge machine right ?
[03:38] <mwhudson> lifeless: i do
[03:50] <lifeless> did you have any issues with the natty desktop cd ?
[03:50] <lifeless> I get the fine grey crosshatch and nothing more
[03:53] <mwhudson> lifeless: no, installation went absurdly smoothly
[04:09] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[04:09] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #846: FIXED in 5 hr 29 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/846/
[05:42] <lifeless> mwhudson: interestingly, its happy with lcd, but it hated my analogue monitor.
[05:42] <mwhudson> lifeless: heh
[05:43] <lifeless> 50% of my desktop backed up
[05:43] <mwhudson> lifeless: i've tested mine with a projector over vga and that worked
[05:43] <mwhudson> (post-install)
[05:43] <lifeless> mwhudson: this has a non-intel graphics card in it, for additional fun
[05:43] <lifeless> being a desktop and all
[05:44] <mwhudson> ah ok
[05:44] <mwhudson> well i can't help you with that then :)
[05:45] <lifeless> :)
[06:00] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[06:00] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #677: FIXED in 5 hr 51 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/677/
[06:26] <lifeless> jml: https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide/ServicesRequirements#preview
[09:06] <wgrant> bigjools: Any objections to my comments on bug #797599?
[09:07] <_mup_> Bug #797599: Copying archivepermissions cross-distro is wrong. <derivation> <qa-untestable> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by rvb> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/797599 >
[09:07] <bigjools> wgrant: I don't see any comments from you
[09:09] <wgrant> bigjools: Packagesets are per series.
[09:09] <wgrant> bigjools: So after duplicating the sets we need to regrant permissions.
[09:09] <StevenK> Why did that just get removed? It's trivial to fix.
[09:09] <wgrant> launchpad_dev=# \d packageset
[09:09] <wgrant> [...]
[09:09] <wgrant>  distroseries    | integer                     | not null
[09:12] <wgrant> abentley: You has QA.
[09:12] <bigjools> wgrant: RARGH
[09:12] <StevenK> Haha
[09:12] <StevenK> That's my line.
[09:12] <wgrant> bbiRargh?
[09:12] <wgrant> Er.
[09:12] <wgrant> bigjools: Rargh?
[09:13] <bigjools> having to re-init *archive* level permissions on a new series is crack
[09:13] <wgrant> Well.
[09:13] <bigjools> the model is broken
[09:13] <wgrant> Yes.
[09:13] <wgrant> Sort of.
[09:13] <wgrant> Packagesets have to be per-series.
[09:13] <bigjools> I know
[09:13] <wgrant> So permissions based on them have to be.
[09:13] <bigjools> the FK is wrong
[09:13] <wgrant> How?
[09:13] <wgrant> Well, how would it be improved?
[09:13] <bigjools> NFI ATM
[09:13] <wgrant> Besides nuking from orbit.
[09:13] <wgrant> Right.
[09:14] <wgrant> Exactly.
[09:14] <bigjools> need to think about it
[09:14] <bigjools> but not in a plenary!
[09:14] <wgrant> True.
[09:14] <wgrant> I won't roll it back for now, but will file a critical regression bug.
[09:14] <bigjools> that's fine, we can fix it
[09:14] <bigjools> next week
[09:16] <lifeless> morning d'blin
[09:16] <wgrant> Hi lifeless.
[09:17] <lifeless> apparently dmraid doth not split IO across underlying devices
[09:17] <lifeless> this saddens me
[09:17] <wgrant> Yay!
[09:17] <wgrant> Fakeraid must die.
[09:17] <StevenK> wgrant: Including MD?
[09:18] <lifeless> wgrant: its not substantially different to mdraid other than needing to match BIOS supported layouts, *and* being able to boot sanely.
[09:18] <StevenK> And wgrant has the deployment report open. Who would have thunk it.
[09:18] <lifeless> wgrant: i like being able to boot sanely.
[09:19] <StevenK> lifeless: Er? GRUB2 can boot off RAID
[09:19] <lifeless> StevenK: last I saw it requires the device to be on a single disk, because its not actually bringing up all the layers
[09:19] <lifeless> its essentially running in degraded form
[09:20] <StevenK> lifeless: My fileserver boots off RAID1 just fine
[09:20] <lifeless> this means it won't work for anything other than a vanilla mirror
[09:20] <StevenK> But I can't check, since my home DSL is down.
[09:20] <lifeless> StevenK: e.g. vanilla mirror
[09:20] <StevenK> You're closer, so go check. :-P
[09:20] <lifeless> StevenK: ring your wife :)
[09:20] <wgrant> StevenK: MD is not fakeraid.
[09:20] <wgrant> It's software RAID.
[09:20] <lifeless> wgrant: so is fakeraid
[09:21] <wgrant> It is, but with an extra layer of proprietary crap.
[09:21] <lifeless> wgrant: its really not that proprietary.
[09:21] <lifeless> crappy docs though
[09:21] <wgrant> Stupid and pointless and non-standard, then.
[09:21] <lifeless> wgrant: what would make it a standard?
[09:21] <wgrant> Not being chipset-dependent.
[09:21] <StevenK> It mainly exists because versions of Windows didn't do RAID, right?
[09:22] <lifeless> StevenK: *booting* from RAID requires either fragile gymnastics or a BIOS (or lower) support for the raid layout
[09:23] <lifeless> StevenK: the ICH (and similar) raid implementations exist because controller cards that have ATAPI/SCSI on the topside and N disks on the bottom side are hugely expensive for entry-level environments, and *other* than such cards ... you had to do gymnastics
[09:24] <lifeless> so fakeraid does *exactly* what the early boot BIOS interrupt calls do for SCSI and IDE disks, and run just long enough to let the OS load its drivers.
[09:25] <lifeless> if fakeraid is stupid, so is being able to boot off of IDE and SCSI disks.
[09:30] <gmb> wgrant: Is it possible to set append-revisions-only on an existing branch? I can only find references to it on bzr init.
[09:31] <wgrant> gmb: You probably have to edit .bzr/branch/branch.conf using something like hitchhiker.
[09:31] <wgrant> bzr reconfigure doesn't seem to have an option.
[09:32] <gmb> wgrant: Ah, right, thanks.
[09:32] <wgrant> Just add a line with 'append_revisions_only = True' to branch.conf
[09:37] <maxb> You can use bzr config now to set append_revisions_only
[09:37] <wgrant> Ahh, true.
[09:37] <wgrant> Forgot about the new shiny.
[09:43] <StevenK> LIFELESS!
[09:43] <StevenK> RARGH
[09:43] <wgrant> StevenK: Oh?
[09:44] <StevenK> parellel-test #80 has been building for *13* hours
[09:45] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:46] <StevenK> hudson   25142  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    Jun28   0:14 [/usr/bin/python] <defunct>
[09:46] <StevenK> ORSUM
[09:47] <StevenK> wgrant: Shall I kill it with fire?
[09:54] <lifeless> jml: hi
[09:54] <lifeless> jml: I've put some prose into the servicesrequirements page
[09:54] <jml> lifeless: yeah, I saw, thanks.
[09:54] <jml> lifeless: will look soon.
[09:54] <lifeless> I think it captures all that we spoke about, and includes sufficient rationale
[09:54] <lifeless> jml: if it doesn't, please fix-or-tell-me
[09:54] <lifeless> ?
[09:56] <nigelb> StevenK: heh, weren't you about to kill all of windmill with fire? :)
[09:56] <nigelb> *windmill tests
[09:57] <LPCIBot> Project parallel-test build #80: ABORTED in 12 hr: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/parallel-test/80/
[09:57] <StevenK> DIE, FIEND
[09:58] <nigelb> lol
[09:58] <jml> lifeless: ok, will do.
[09:59] <StevenK> nigelb: parallel-test has nothing to do with Windmill.
[09:59] <nigelb> StevenK: ah!
[09:59] <nigelb> One of my merge requests has become sort of stale.  Before I work on that branch, I want to "rebase" it wth master
[09:59] <nigelb> is there a bzr equivalent of that?
[10:00] <nigelb> (this is an LP merge proporsal that I need to finish working on)
[10:00] <StevenK> Don't rebase, just bzr merge devel in
[10:01] <jml> lifeless: any ideas for useful LP (or related) hacking for me this week?
[10:01] <wgrant> lifeless: :( resetting rabbit is hard.
[10:02] <lifeless> jml: just about anything is useful
[10:02] <StevenK> wgrant: Do you think there is any point to keeping the windmill-{db-,}devel jobs on Jenkins, or shall I delete them?
[10:02] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd keep them for now, just in case. It is cheap...
[10:02] <lifeless> jml: one thing that you and I probably have most experience around is getting the test suite to stop stomping on stdout when something goes wrong
[10:02] <jml> lifeless: yeah, I know. that's largely the problem :D
[10:02] <lifeless> jml: that messes up subunit
[10:02] <nigelb> er, I did "bzr merge ../devel" and now it seems to have just gotten stuck
[10:03] <jml> lifeless: yeah, ok, I could try with that.
[10:03] <StevenK> nigelb: Is devel up-to-date?
[10:03] <nigelb> doesn't merge give me feedback on stdout on what's going on?
[10:03] <nigelb> StevenK: yeah
[10:03] <nigelb> oh
[10:03] <nigelb> done :D
[10:03] <StevenK> Heh
[10:03] <stub> I always wanted to make tests fail that spat stuff out to stdout or stderr
[10:03] <StevenK> More patience required
[10:03] <stub> Not sure the most bulletproof method of doing that though
[10:03] <jml> stub: interestingly, the way we patch the login object practically guarantees that tests will
[10:04] <nigelb> Sadly, I can't apt-get install patience :)
[10:04] <StevenK> I'd like to see an option to bin/test that will stop spewing the librarian log out on test failure
[10:04] <lifeless> deprecation warnings and bzr's __del__ methods are particularly hard to get at to fix this
[10:04] <lifeless> StevenK: its an attachment to the test
[10:04] <lifeless> StevenK: something you could do that is better
[10:04] <lifeless> StevenK: would be to teach the layer to only attach the *per-test* component of the log
[10:04] <lifeless> StevenK: rather than the log-since-fixture-start.
[10:05] <lifeless> StevenK: e.g. truncate the log or record the position or whatever in the layer per test setup
[10:05] <lifeless> StevenK: if you use tribunal though,t he librarian log won't be in your face anyway
[10:05] <spiv> lifeless: most of bzr's __del__ methods are being deleted.
[10:05] <lifeless> spiv: I know :)
[10:05] <lifeless> spiv: (and I'm glad)
[10:05] <StevenK> lifeless: Bleh, more reason to learn tribunal
[10:06] <nigelb> wow, I updated my devel again.
[10:06] <nigelb> Lots of deletions \o/
[10:07] <StevenK> % apt-cache search tribunal | wc -l
[10:07] <StevenK> 0
[10:07] <nigelb> I guess that's the windmill being burned with fire.
[10:07] <StevenK> jml killed lots of line too
[10:07] <lifeless> StevenK: poolie: can get you going with tribunal
[10:07] <nigelb> I now realzie I'm going to fix the same bug 4 times.
[10:08] <_mup_> Bug #4: Importing finished po doesn't change progressbar <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by carlos> <Ubuntu:Invalid> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/4 >
[10:08] <lifeless> StevenK: it has testr integration, so its basically just tribunal .
[10:08] <StevenK> I don't have testr either ...
[10:08] <lifeless> StevenK: that one is packaged; shiniest version is in the testing cabal ppa, but the one in natty is eminently usable
[10:11] <wgrant> lifeless: It seems there is no way to list all rabbitmq queues without using rabbitmqctl, which is 100-200ms :(
[10:11] <wgrant> lifeless: Which makes fixture reset difficult.
[10:13] <lifeless> wgrant: :(
[10:13] <lifeless> wgrant: there are some alternatives
[10:14] <wgrant> Creating a new vhost is also 100-200ms.
[10:14] <wgrant> Seems to be erlang startup.
[10:14] <lifeless> wgrant: such as, use the in python api to note queue access and connect-and-flush-all-those at the end of the test
[10:15] <wgrant> lifeless: Yeah, possibly...
[10:15] <wgrant> lifeless: But that becomes really bad when we have multiple consumers.
[10:15] <wgrant> That we don't control.
[10:15] <lifeless> wgrant: for an LP test run, all consumers should be test fakes
[10:16] <lifeless> wgrant: which means we have a testing interface to them, and can tell them to do their own reset dance
[10:16] <wgrant> "should"
[10:16] <lifeless> wgrant: the page has been changed.
[10:16] <wgrant> Also, I am talking about now.
[10:16] <wgrant> Not in two years.
[10:16] <lifeless> wgrant: *must*, or it can't go live. Existing things like the librarian are excluded
[10:16] <wgrant> Hmm.
[10:17] <lifeless> I'm flexible on this, but I think that being waffly would make it harder for folk to design well
[10:17] <lifeless> so I've stopped waffling on this aspect.
[10:19] <lifeless> by flexible I mean I am willing to be wrong and discuss; however your objection seemed to be that there was no requirement so we would have trouble in the future.
[10:20] <StevenK> abentley: Can haz QA? And not submitting branches with [r=me] ?
[10:20] <wgrant> Well, I told him to verbally, but I didn't think he'd take it literally :)
[10:21] <lifeless> StevenK: do you mean 'please use r=<ownname> rather than r=me when self reviewing' ?
[10:21] <lifeless> StevenK: if so, +1
[10:22] <StevenK> r=me or rs=me is so pointless it may as well not be there.
[10:22] <StevenK> Since loggerhead on devel won't tell us who commited it
[10:23] <StevenK> Which means you either need to know, or ask buildbot. And asking buildbot makes me sad.
[10:23] <wgrant> Or check the committer of the merge revs.
[10:27] <wgrant> lifeless: Hmm, FixtureResource doesn't use reset()?
[10:32] <wgrant> The rabbitmq management plugin does what we want, but the rabbitmq plugin build system seems to be designed primarily to make people want to die.
[10:32] <lifeless> ha. headdesk. ha.
[10:32] <StevenK> 103 files mention 'unseen' -- some would be false-positives
[10:34] <wgrant> Perhaps we should use carrot.
[10:35] <wgrant> (it has a memory-based backend, as well as a rabbit one)
[10:36] <wgrant> Which would allow us to do unit tests with a nice fake.
[10:54] <lifeless> wgrant: that only helps if we're not talking to a microservice
[10:59] <Riddell> simple review needed https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/launchpad/797688-packaging-branches-label
[11:04] <StevenK> Riddell: I'd like to see some test changes, to be honest.
[11:06] <benji> someone asked about this yesterday and I wan't yet aware that it existed: http://ricostacruz.com/js2coffee/
[11:07] <lifeless> benji: wicked
[11:10] <benji> poolie: this just came up on my feeds and wondered if you'd seen it: https://www.mergebox.net/
[11:10] <benji> they bill themselves as the GitHub of bzr
[11:11] <lifeless> benji: they announced themselves on the bzr dev list
[11:11] <lifeless> benji: very interesting project
[11:12] <benji> ahh, I should have figured they would engauge in some way
[11:12] <lifeless> not at all
[11:12] <lifeless> its good to raise interesting things
[11:12] <wgrant> lifeless: Sure.
[11:23] <LPCIBot> Project parallel-test build #81: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 11 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/parallel-test/81/
[11:33] <lifeless> usb2 is so slow!
[11:33] <wgrant> bigjools: It is the 'ppa' name.
[11:33] <wgrant> bigjools: Not 'Test'
[11:33] <wgrant> So it's not quite so easy.
[11:34] <bigjools> yeah just saw
[11:51] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #678: FAILURE in 5 hr 51 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/678/
[12:01] <LPCIBot> Project parallel-test build #82: STILL FAILING in 37 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/parallel-test/82/
[12:01] <LPCIBot> Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=jml][no-qa] Remove syncUpdate.
[12:07] <poolie> benji, lifeless, has anyone actually got a login yet?
[12:07] <lifeless> I haven't; I can't decide if I should, or should not :)
[12:07] <benji> heh
[12:12] <nigelb> poolie: maco did get a login for it if you're looking for feedback
[12:12] <nigelb> (it being mergebox)
[12:25] <lifeless> bigjools: dsds are shaping up really quite nice
[12:25] <bigjools> lifeless: hellyeah!
[12:25] <lifeless> bigjools: I hit a small usability thing today, not sure if its a bug or not.
[12:26] <lifeless> bigjools: I wanted to answer, for a friend 'whats different between debian and ubuntu for virt-manager and libvirt-bin'
[12:26] <bigjools> that is not enough info to properly ascertain an answer
[12:27] <lifeless> bigjools: localpackagediffs doesn't seem to have a unfiltered view
[12:27] <bigjools> it's always series-dependent
[12:27] <bigjools> lifeless: !
[12:27] <bigjools> yes it does
[12:27] <lifeless> like there is unignored, ignored, ignored-and-newer, and resolved
[12:27] <bigjools> oh that
[12:27] <bigjools> there's a bug about tha
[12:27] <bigjools> t
[12:27] <lifeless> kk
[12:27] <lifeless> I shall not file one then
[12:28] <lifeless> did I mention usb2 is painfully slow ?
[12:28] <bigjools> lifeless: thx for feedback though
[12:28] <lifeless> de nada
[12:29] <lifeless> my friend uses Debian and then whinges that stuff doesn't Just Work :)
[12:29] <StevenK> lifeless: USB 2 sucks, use something better.
[12:29] <bigjools> there's an answer to that
[12:29] <lifeless> StevenK: would-if-I-could
[12:29] <StevenK> lifeless: There is this thing, called eSATA?
[12:30] <lifeless> StevenK: external disk only having usb2
[12:30] <lifeless> StevenK: I just backed up everything from my old desktop onto it, and it got 30MB/s sustained... restoring at the same rate :(
[12:32] <StevenK> lifeless: The last time I copied stuff over USB 2, I copied 800GiB at an average of 3MB/s, and it took 4 days.
[12:34] <lifeless> StevenK: -ouch-
[12:34] <lifeless> StevenK: I'm only doing 400GB and still its painfule
[12:36] <huwshimi> StevenK: https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bugs?field.tag=easy+ui&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[14:26] <huwshimi> StevenK: I forgot to mention, if you fix a bug then tag it with "dublin" so we can keep track of the bugs fixed here
[14:34] <huwshimi> benji: I have updated this branch, just wanted to check the fix looks ok: https://code.launchpad.net/~huwshimi/launchpad/table-headings-728187/+merge/66008
[14:44] <benji> huwshimi: I made positive sounds on the MP.
[14:44] <huwshimi> benji: Thank you!
[15:00] <Riddell_> StevenK: are you able to point me in the direction of writing tests for my 797688-packaging-branches-label branch at some point?
[15:56] <StevenK> benji: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/archive-picker-value/+merge/66318
[15:56] <jtv> bigjools, StevenK, wgrant: any objections to a df app restart?
[15:56] <StevenK> jtv: No, doit.
[15:56] <wgrant> jtv: None.
[15:56] <jtv> StevenK: who are you calling a doit?
[15:57] <jtv> …or whommm?
[15:57] <StevenK> jtv: You, duh.
[15:57] <jtv> oh, I see.
[15:58] <benji> StevenK: done
[16:02] <danilos> jtv, hey, I've got a question about the expander widget: how do I make it start out expanded?
[16:03] <jtv> danilos: disable JS.  :)
[16:03] <danilos> jtv, ok, so that's a feature we are missing: if "expanded" flag is on it on load, we should probably not fold it
[16:03] <jtv> Sure.
[16:03] <danilos> jtv, it's a case I hit on a page
[16:03] <jtv> I mentioned this yesterday as "nice for later"; I guess "later" came early
[16:03] <danilos> jtv, ok, I'll assume that works and just set the "expanded" class on the content node
[16:04] <jtv> BTW where is that flag exactly?  Is it a CSS class, a config arg..?
[16:04] <danilos> jtv, yeah, I was not sure if it was implemented or not, and it's needed to be able to replace the existing collapsible stuff
[16:04] <jtv> Ah
[16:04] <danilos> jtv, a CSS class state_marker.expanded
[16:04] <jtv> OK
[16:07] <Riddell> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/launchpad/797688-packaging-branches-label/+merge/66146
[16:09] <bigjools> jtv: nup
[16:10] <jtv> ?
[16:13] <Riddell> StevenK: voila
[16:13] <Riddell> hmm, wait
[16:31] <StevenK> benji: https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/lazr.restfulclient/789369-getattr/+merge/62743
[16:41] <matsubara> anyone available to review a branch that attempts to fix bug 404279? https://code.launchpad.net/~matsubara/launchpad/404279-private-ppa-link/+merge/66335
[16:41] <_mup_> Bug #404279: apt urls on private ppa pages are incorrect (missing credentials) <bugjam2010> <easy> <lp-soyuz> <p3a> <ppa> <ui> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by matsubara> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/404279 >
[17:03] <poolie> i will try
[17:10] <bigjools> stub: addAfterCommitHook doesn't work....
[17:10] <bigjools> he no callee backee
[17:10] <stub> You said it worked!
[17:10] <bigjools> I LIED
[17:11] <stub> commit is being called?
[17:11] <bigjools> yes, we just stepped in pdb
[17:12] <stub> bigjools: So we know the concept is sound, or else PostgreSQL connections would never be committed.
[17:13] <stub> bigjools: Oh.... aftercommithook... not sure if they are used anywhere.
[17:13] <bigjools> indeed
[17:13] <stub> Maybe just a standard commit hook?
[17:13] <bigjools> define "standard" ?
[17:13] <stub> We can worry about ordering of rabbit or pg first later
[17:13] <bigjools> the other one I can see in the doc is  beforeCommitHook()
[17:14] <bigjools> stub: maybe we need registerSynch
[17:15] <stub> Now I can't find the documentation...
[17:15] <bigjools> stub: http://readthedocs.org/docs/zodb/en/latest/transactions.html
[17:15] <wgrant> It's not a synchronizer.
[17:15] <stub> You can register a class with the prepare, commit, rollback hooks like a pg database connection does
[17:15] <wgrant> It's not a beforeCommitHook.
[17:15] <wgrant> It's also not an IDataManager
[17:16] <bigjools> stub: how do you register that?
[17:17]  * stub wonders if our transaction package is out of date with those docs
[17:17] <bigjools> and buggy
[17:17] <stub> Writing it as a full blown datamanager should work
[17:17] <stub> And not too traumatic since most of the methods will be noops
[17:17] <bigjools> ok
[17:18] <bigjools> stub: got an example we can see?
[17:18] <bigjools> preferably in our code :)
[17:19] <stub> bigjools: Those docs have one. Otherwise ZStorm has one. Nothing in the lp tree though.
[17:20] <stub> The one in the docs will be simpler, and that api has been stable for over 10 years (apart from doom which we added)
[17:23] <stub> Hmm... but I wonder if something else is going on. Given the aftercommit api exists, I would sort of expect it to do what it says on the tin
[17:25] <stub> bigjools: Your hook has the right signature?
[17:25] <stub> foo(success, args, kwargs)
[17:25] <stub> kws
[17:26] <stub> finished here - popping down
[17:44] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[17:44] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #679: FIXED in 5 hr 52 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/679/


[14:56] <slashd> o/
[14:56] <rbasak> o/
[14:56] <ricotz> o/
[14:56] <ddstreet> o/
[14:56] <sil2100> o/
[14:56] <waveform> o/
[14:58]  * ddstreet coffees b4 mtg
[15:00] <rbasak> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:00:04 UTC.  The chair is rbasak.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:00] <rbasak> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:00] <rbasak> ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[15:01] <rbasak> rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over)
[15:01] <rbasak> This one's done
[15:01] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco paperwork for paride permissions on serverdev and announce (done)
[15:02] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco paperwork for eickmeyer permissions on MOTU and announce (done)
[15:02] <rbasak> So just need status from ddstreet please
[15:02] <ddstreet> sorry need to carry that over please
[15:03] <rbasak> #action ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[15:03] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[15:03] <rbasak> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[15:03] <rbasak> #subtopic Dave Jones -- raspi-common seed related PPU, 2021-03-08
[15:03] <rbasak> Hello waveform!
[15:03] <waveform> Greetings!
[15:03] <sil2100> o/
[15:03] <rbasak> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DaveJones/PPUApplicationPi
[15:03] <sil2100> I have something
[15:04] <sil2100> So I see Dave applied for PPU, but I personally think he could try for core-dev as-is
[15:04] <sil2100> Though hm, I see he's a bit low on endorsements
[15:07] <waveform> I see you're trying to thwart my cunning plan for minimal responsibility?
[15:07] <sil2100> But even with that, maybe it would make sense to consider him for core-dev and, if not getting enough votes, then re-vote for the PPU?
[15:07] <sil2100> YES
[15:07] <sil2100> ;)
[15:08] <ddstreet> well waveform do you *want* to apply for core-dev?
[15:08] <ddstreet> it's free to apply, and no penatly if we vote no :)
[15:08] <rbasak> It will drag the meeting out longer though.
[15:09] <ddstreet> but personally i do prefer applicants to at least request what level of access they actually want
[15:09] <rbasak> (I don't mean to be negative; just laying it all out)
[15:09] <waveform> ddstreet, it would make certain things easier but at the same time sil2100's absolutely going to drag me into +1 maintenance
[15:09] <teward> (I'm here but late)
[15:09] <rbasak> So it depends on if waveform wants to deal with core-dev applicant type questions today or not
[15:10] <slashd> or we vote for the PPU and re-schedule him for coredev at next mtg (if interested) so it will give him time to get endorsement for the right application ?
[15:10] <waveform> (not convinced I know what I'm doing on that side of things - not that that's stopped me in the past, but still I'm not going to go actively seeking things to go o.O at)
[15:11] <rbasak> It sounds to me like you're not really prepared for a core dev application right now?
[15:12] <rbasak> Wearing my chair hat for a moment, to make progress, we need to decide if we're going to consider a core dev application or not.
[15:12] <waveform> slashd's proposal sounds good to me (I have little doubt after this sil2100 is going to whip me into gathering endorsements and re-submitting ;)
[15:12] <rbasak> If waveform wants to positively affirm he'd like us to consider that, then we can, and then vote.
[15:12] <rbasak> OK
[15:12] <rbasak> So let's proceed with PPU only
[15:13] <rbasak> Does anyone have questions for waveform for his PPU application?
[15:14]  * sil2100 has none for the PPU part
[15:14] <rbasak> I should declare that I'm a personal friend of waveform's, so I intend to do my usual "abstain except to make quorum if everyone else is unanimous" thing.
[15:15] <rbasak> If there are no questions, I guess we can move on to vote.
[15:16] <slashd> no question here, I read the wiki page and I'm have everything I need to take a decision.
[15:16] <rbasak> #vote Grant waveform PPU for  linux-firmware-raspi2, pi-bluetooth, rpi-eeprom, raspberrypi-userland (libraspberrypi0, libraspberrypi-bin), flash-kernel), and for u-boot
[15:16] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant waveform PPU for  linux-firmware-raspi2, pi-bluetooth, rpi-eeprom, raspberrypi-userland (libraspberrypi0, libraspberrypi-bin), flash-kernel), and for u-boot
[15:16] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[15:16] <slashd> +1
[15:16] <meetingology> +1 received from slashd
[15:16] <sil2100> +1
[15:16] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[15:16] <ddstreet> +1
[15:16] <meetingology> +1 received from ddstreet
[15:17] <rbasak> teward: ?
[15:17] <teward> sorry cross-tasking today
[15:17] <teward> +1
[15:17] <meetingology> +1 received from teward
[15:18] <teward> rbasak: sorry i'm half-pulled left and right for server stuff and work stuff
[15:18] <rbasak> np, thanks
[15:18] <rbasak> I think that's everyone here
[15:18] <rbasak> #endvote
[15:18] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant waveform PPU for  linux-firmware-raspi2, pi-bluetooth, rpi-eeprom, raspberrypi-userland (libraspberrypi0, libraspberrypi-bin), flash-kernel), and for u-boot
[15:18] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[15:18] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:18] <rbasak> Congrats waveform!
[15:18] <slashd> Congrats waveform
[15:18] <waveform> many thanks \o/
[15:18] <sil2100> Congrats!
[15:18] <rbasak> I can take the ACL and announcement actions - now that I can just do the TB end as well
[15:18] <ddstreet> congrats!
[15:19] <teward> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security
[15:19] <teward> oops sorry wrong window IGNORE
[15:19] <teward> 50 windows here
[15:19] <rbasak> #action rbasak to announce waveform's successful application
[15:19] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to announce waveform's successful application
[15:19] <waveform> sil2100, thanks - and yes, I'll start writing the next one... ;)
[15:19] <rbasak> #action rbasak to add waveform's PPU ACL items
[15:19] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to add waveform's PPU ACL items
[15:19] <sil2100> YES PLEASE! ;)
[15:19] <rbasak> #subtopic Rico Tzschichholz -- libreoffice PPU, 2021-03-08
[15:20] <rbasak> ricotz: o/
[15:20] <ricotz> hello :)
[15:20] <ricotz> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ricotz/PPULibreofficeApplication :)
[15:20] <rbasak> Thanks
[15:20] <rbasak> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ricotz/PPULibreofficeApplication
[15:22] <rbasak> Does anyone have any questions for ricotz?
[15:23] <ddstreet> none from me
[15:23] <rbasak> I have a couple
[15:23] <rbasak> On your application page you say "Canonical offered me to take over the official maintainer-ship of the LibreOffice package in Ubuntu, which will deepen my involvement even further". What's your understanding of "maintainership" as it applies to packages in Ubuntu, as an Ubuntu developer?
[15:24] <sil2100> I have a 'standard' question
[15:25] <ricotz> rbasak, it means I am packaging it and working together with the debian maintainer
[15:25] <ricotz> rbasak, this is contract work for Canonical
[15:26] <rbasak> ricotz: what would be your position if a non-Canonical Ubuntu developer made an upload to the libreoffice package in Ubuntu, or if they proposed some changes that you don't like?
[15:28] <ricotz> rbasak, I would like to get some notification and maybe asked for reviewing the changes before an upload
[15:28] <ricotz> there are usually no-change uploads for library transitions which would be of no concern
[15:29] <sil2100> My 'standard' question: when uploading libreoffice to the devel series, what freezes should you take into consideration before performing the upload?
[15:29] <rbasak> ricotz: what if you found yourselves at an impasse - a non-Canoncial but established Ubuntu developer wants to change something one way, and you want it changed a different way? How would you expect to resolve the conflict?
[15:30] <ricotz> sil2100, I am working close together with the desktop team, and I am discussion new version uploads before doing so, same will apply for bug fixes
[15:31] <ricotz> sil2100, so I am looking the development schedule, e.g beta, RC deadlines
[15:32] <ricotz> rbasak, if the change proves to be equally efficient I would go with mine, but this seems to be a decision needs to be made case-by-case
[15:33] <teward> ricotz: here's a hypothetical I want to pose for you, and it'll take a few messages to get it out so i would like everyone to hold off messages for a few moments while I write this out.
[15:33] <ricotz> rbasak, I am usually following/proposing changes from/to debian
[15:33] <rbasak> OK, thanks. I have no further questions.
[15:34] <teward> I, an established Ubuntu Developer with core-dev privileges, am currently digging through the bug lists, and come across an unfixed High level bug that has patches prepped for it, and as a sponsor I sponsor the updates into the current dev release.  This affects a packate in your 'bailywick' currently.  It fixes a 'broken feature' and was fully pulled from upstream commits on the issue.
[15:34] <teward> This is uploaded, accepted, and lands in the repository.
[15:34] <teward> However, it was not reviewed/vetted by you.
[15:34] <teward> How would you respond in this case?
[15:34] <teward> assuming of course I"ve done reviews, testing, etc. that are normal for bug fixes to land.
[15:35] <teward> (as I do with anything I sponsor)
[15:36] <ricotz> teward, in my understand if a source package refers to a packaging git repository, such a change needs to be offered as merge request
[15:37] <teward> ricotz: assume per the hypothetical that me or someone else has JFDI and done a direct-to-repos push and not a git merge request (because sometimes a major feature breaking is handled by the Sponsors and some of us who may not be privy to all the repos for packaging and such would potentially push-to-repos
[15:37] <ricotz> so imho the core-dev didn't follow the usual advise
[15:37] <teward> rather than push-to-git or merge request
[15:37] <teward> ricotz: stay within the confines of the hypothetical please.  Assume in the case that ti's not me but anyone with upload privs who **are unaware of all the packages with git repos for packaging**
[15:38] <teward> which, TO BE FAIR, happens often.
[15:38] <slashd> ricotz, are you (or plan to) subscribe to all bugs in libreoffice in Ubuntu (launchpad) ?
[15:38] <teward> (i stepped on Kubuntu's toes accidentally pushing an update for something that unbroke Lubuntu/Calamares that needed kpmcore, whoops, but they were watchful and poked me for the future)
[15:39] <ricotz> teward, if I notice I will contact the uploader to discuss this
[15:40] <ricotz> slashd, I am already subscribed for some time
[15:42] <rbasak> Any more questions for ricotz?
[15:43] <teward> not from me
[15:43] <slashd> I'm good
[15:44] <ddstreet> none from me
[15:44] <sil2100> Good here
[15:44] <rbasak> #vote Grant ricotz PPU for libreoffice
[15:44] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant ricotz PPU for libreoffice
[15:44] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[15:44] <rbasak> -1 reasons to follwo
[15:44] <meetingology> -1 reasons to follwo received from rbasak
[15:45] <slashd> +0
[15:45] <meetingology> +0 received from slashd
[15:46] <sil2100> +1
[15:46] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[15:47] <teward> -1 reasons to follow as well, after rbasak posts theirs.
[15:47] <meetingology> -1 reasons to follow as well, after rbasak posts theirs. received from teward
[15:47] <ddstreet> +1 I'm happy with strong endorsements from existing desktop team members, and I have no reason to think future direct uploads would be any different from current sponsored uploads
[15:47] <meetingology> +1 I'm happy with strong endorsements from existing desktop team members, and I have no reason to think future direct uploads would be any different from current sponsored uploads received from ddstreet
[15:48] <ddstreet> so we're at a tie, of 0?
[15:48] <rbasak> #endvote
[15:48] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant ricotz PPU for libreoffice
[15:48] <meetingology> Votes for: 2, Votes against: 2, Abstentions: 1
[15:48] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:48] <teward> as it stands, the vote does not pass, unless we want to poll for rafaeldtinoco via mailing list for their vote.
[15:49] <teward> i could poke tsimonq2 but he's... not available for another 12 hours.
[15:49] <rbasak> Right - it depends on the others
[15:49] <rbasak> Here's my reasoning for my -1 vote.
[15:49] <rbasak> I think you're going to find yourself in a different position given the nature of your involvement with libreoffice, Canonical and Ubuntu. To navigate this well, I think you need to have a good understanding of how Ubuntu development teams interact and how authority in Ubuntu is delegated. I think your understanding of this is mistaken in a few places.
[15:49] <rbasak> It's difficult for me to cover this in detail here without having a longer conversation. I think maybe we need to do that outside this meeting, and perhaps include the wider Ubuntu Desktop Team. I'd be happy to be involved, and I do appreciate your efforts in helping with libreoffice packaging in Ubuntu. Once this matter is resolved, I would welcome your reapplication.
[15:50] <rbasak> FWIW, it might well be that some members of the Desktop team have misunderstood this too
[15:50] <rbasak> But only your application was being considered here, so this might seem a bit unfair. Sorry about that.
[15:50] <rbasak> Let's get it resolved :)
[15:51] <rbasak> Which, FWIW, I think we should do anyway, regardless of the outcome of your application, which remains unresolved today as it needs an answer for the two other absent DMB members
[15:51] <sil2100> Let's try to reach out to them this week
[15:51] <ricotz> rbasak, I see, that is unfortunate for now, I am looking forward to a final decision
[15:51] <rbasak> +1
[15:52] <teward> My reasons, operating strictly on the DMB requirements for review of an application:
[15:52] <teward> I do not feel the applicant has an understanding at large of how Ubuntu Packaging is *not* necessarily driven by Canonical tasks.  My current interpretation of their response to Robie's message is "I'm paid to do work on this package as contract work and need upload rights" which I further extend to "I'm paid to do this and that fact is more important than all because Canonical pays me for this".  The larger universe of **Ubuntu
[15:52] <teward> Development** is NOT driven by the "Canonical Takes All" approach, as Canonical development alone does not drive Ubuntu package maintainership.
[15:52] <teward> Further, their response to the hypothetical I posed is basically "well the core dev is supposed to make a merge request to the packaging git, which means that if coredev uploaded direct to repos they did it wrong".  This mindset of behavior is not conducive to working well in the Ubuntu Project at large because this happens regularly, because **packaging repositories are not readily documented in one central place for coredevs or
[15:52] <teward> sponsors to look at for merge requests**.  Secondly, in the broader universe, there are packages with gits that sit *outside* Launchpad for packaging gits, and therefore cannot be 'merge requested' by developers.
[15:52] <teward> Also, in support and echo of Robie's comments, I would strongly urge that the Desktop Team get in touch with Robie, as I believe that a different position will be found for you in this matter.  The Desktop Team and Canonical employment as well as contract work on a given issue does not supersede the general Ubuntu Development rules and mindset, which is different than the Canonical paid position mindsets and is handled independently of
[15:52] <teward> Canonical contracts.
[15:52] <teward> bah damned IRC splits.
[15:52] <teward> that's my reasons.
[15:53] <teward> ... aaaaaaand Exchange server is exploding at FT job.  *openly cusses out Exchange as a mail server platform, and splits attention 75%-25% job to DMB because he has to fix the broken evil*
[15:53] <slashd> I took into consideration your strong endorsement, but I'm on the same page as rbasak's rationale above, hence why I +0
[15:53] <rbasak> I think my summary would be: we can do this, but first we should make sure everyone clearly understands the division of roles, responsibilities and authority.
[15:53] <teward> rbasak: sil2100: I suggest we reach out via internal lists to tsimonq2 and rafaeldtinoco and ask them to review and vote via the list.
[15:54] <teward> for the current vote
[15:54] <teward> and a discussion needs to happen with the teams, etc. on this matter
[15:54] <rbasak> Yep
[15:54] <rbasak> Anything else on this topic before we move on?
[15:54] <ricotz> teward, hmm, I guess this I came accross the wrong way from my side, of course I am not making decisions on my own and am discussing them with other packagers
[15:55] <teward> ricotz: my opinion stands.  I'm happy to reevaluate at a later date, but that requires the discussion rbasak has proposed to happen first
[15:55] <rbasak> FWIW, I haven't taken that from this discussion today.
[15:55] <ricotz> teward, I can see the burden it is to sponsor libreoffice caused by its size and complexity
[15:55] <teward> and i agree with rbasak, I ahven't taken that from your statements today.
[15:55] <rbasak> I have no reason to think that you wouldn't try and resolve things by reaching consensus first.
[15:55] <rbasak> However I think it's important that you understand the fallback position from that, and I don't think you do.
[15:55] <teward> i'm also going to put one additional echo into this:
[15:55] <teward> what if the security team makes this mistake of not merge requesting
[15:56] <teward> and simply pushes a security patch?
[15:56] <teward> from THAT perspective you aren't going to argue with the Security Team, you're just going to merge the changes into yoru repos accordingly
[15:56] <teward> because IIRC the SEcurity Team is one of the teams you don't really... argue much with... when a critical security patch goes out :P
[15:57] <teward> just saying
[15:57] <ricotz> correct, a CVE upload is another story for itself
[15:57] <teward> ricotz: but carries the same weight/problem as if a core dev or someone uploaded something to -updates
[15:57] <teward> wherein the point still stands: i think your thinking in the matter needs reviewed, because the way you responded to the initial hypothetical appeared argumentative overall
[15:58] <teward> and not conducive for Ubuntu Development
[15:58] <teward> as stated in my reasons (which stand and are not changing in this meeting at this time)
[15:58] <teward> ... unrelated: i'm here 75% again.  job just needed Exchange kicked >.<
[15:59] <rbasak> OK. Shall we move on? :)
[15:59] <rbasak> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[15:59] <ricotz> thank you for your time
[15:59] <rbasak> I only see the request from Alex Murray which is a thread in progress
[16:00] <rbasak> I'll take the action to get a resolution on that (meeting venue/time agreed)
[16:00] <rbasak> #action rbasak to resolve Alex's request for an alternate meeting venue/time for his application
[16:00] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to resolve Alex's request for an alternate meeting venue/time for his application
[16:00] <rbasak> #topic Open TB bugs
[16:00] <rbasak> #info No open TB bugs
[16:00] <rbasak> #topic Any other business
[16:00] <ddstreet> o/
[16:00] <rbasak> Does anyone have anything to raise?
[16:01] <ddstreet> suggestion: maybe we should list the entire schedule of meeting times for each year instead of just the next 4 mtgs?
[16:01] <ddstreet> in light of the time mix-up
[16:01] <rbasak> Sure
[16:01] <rbasak> Do I hear you volunteering? :)
[16:01] <rbasak> There's also the fridge calendar
[16:01] <ddstreet> ack, i can update it if there are no objects
[16:01] <ddstreet> objections
[16:02] <ddstreet> i'm not sure if i'm able to edit the fridge calendar, i can check
[16:02] <rbasak> #action ddstreet to reduce the scope of meeting scheduling mistakes
[16:02] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet to reduce the scope of meeting scheduling mistakes
[16:02] <rbasak> (I'm deliberately leaving that open for you decide how to achieve that ;)
[16:02] <ddstreet> thanks :)
[16:02] <rbasak> Anything else?
[16:03] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:03:02 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-03-08-15.00.moin.txt
[16:03] <ddstreet> thanks all o/