[12:10] <Josephus> why is that gdm refuses to start X (it sais there's already one running), but if i start it by startx it just works fine
[12:12] <stuNNed> Josephus, welp
[12:12] <stuNNed> killall gdm && gdm
[12:13] <Josephus> it doesn't help, and if that helps it was the second reboot of my new system, first time it worked :)
[12:13] <scoon> stuNNed, what does ps aux | grep -i gdm
[12:14] <scoon> stuNNed, give up when you get that err ?
[12:14] <stuNNed> scoon, ?
[12:14] <scoon> stuNNed, yes
[12:16] <stuNNed> scoon, sorry i don't understand your geek talk ;)
[12:16] <Josephus> it keeps asking me to start a second X on a different screen, but at that time there is only 1 gdm and 1 X process
[12:17] <Josephus> and for a few seconds i can see the cursor, the screen starts to flicker, and the whole thing just crashes
[12:17] <Josephus> and there's no error in the logs
[12:17] <scoon> stuNNed, but you said that startx works for you ?
[12:18] <stuNNed> scoon, yes, but use gdm and autologin instead of startx mostly
[12:18] <scoon> stuNNed, by the way man ps and man grep will help you figure out what I asked you to do
[12:18] <scoon> ok
[12:18] <scoon> stuNNed, try this
[12:18] <scoon> stuNNed, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:18] <scoon> stuNNed, you need to do it sudo or root
[12:19] <stuNNed> scoon, i'm in X and don't want to gdm stop it will kill X
[12:19] <Josephus> hey if these are for me, i'm not that beginner
[12:19] <scoon> stuNNed, sorry, i mis-read who wanted what
[12:20] <scoon> Josephus, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:20] <scoon> Josephus, ps aux | grep -i gdm
[12:20] <scoon> make certain that gdm is dead
[12:20] <stuNNed> scoon, that is a np :)
[12:20] <Josephus> it is
[12:20] <scoon> dead ?
[12:21] <Josephus> now yes
[12:21] <scoon> Josephus, so what happens when you do a
[12:21] <scoon> /etc/init.d/gdm start
[12:21] <Supplicium> hey, i just ordered some free ubuntu cds from the site and i was wondering if anyone knows if theres a limit to how many i can get.
[12:23] <Josephus> scoon: flickering, see the X cursor, blank screen
[12:23] <Josephus> no errormsg this time
[12:23] <Josephus> now i got the message mentioned above
[12:24] <Josephus> anyway i'm thinking that somehow gdm fails to start X properly, but i dunno how
[12:25] <Hikaru79> I've been using Hoary without problems for a few weeks now, but just now when I went into Synaptic and "Reloaded" the repositories, I got:
[12:25] <Hikaru79> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[12:25] <scoon> Josephus, did you look in the log
[12:26] <Hikaru79> Any ideas?
[12:26] <scoon> Josephus, /var/log/gdm
[12:26] <njan> I'm getting nasty inittab errors installing ubuntu off the latest warty CD..
[12:26] <njan> ..I don't suppose there's any way to install ubuntu off a knoppix CD?
[12:27] <JStrike> njan : Should be the same process as upgrading from debian. Look at the wiki
[12:28] <njan> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto :)
[12:29] <KAOS> ehlo
[12:30] <Josephus> scoon: nothing interesting, if it's an xconfig error then why 'startx' works
[12:30] <scoon> Josephus, anything strange in the logs ?
[12:30] <KAOS> on a PPC install <Dual 533 CPUs G4> i get an error at 'via82cxxx' Any thoughts?
[12:30] <scoon> Josephus, it may be a gdm error tho
[12:34] <KAOS> so noone had troubles w. a PPC install? its just me?
[12:34] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[12:34] <scoon> Josephus, is this a brand new error or have you done any apt'ing recently
[12:35] <Josephus> yeah, the whole system, as i said it was a fresh installation
[12:36] <scoon> Josephus, sorry missed that.  i was just logging in
[12:36] <scoon> Josephus, so there is nothing noted in /var/log/gdm either ?
[12:36] <root> is hoary completey fubar?
[12:36] <Josephus> no, and i'll go get some sleep, maybe continue it tomorrow
[12:36] <Josephus> thx, bye
[12:43] <KAOS> hmm.....so noone on PPC Ubuntu at the moment <G4> : got error loading to device=hda partition=2 : modprobe -v aic7xxx dies at like 2%
[12:44] <KAOS> get the "modprobe -v aic7xxx" error every which way ive tried installing so far.....
[12:49] <usual> hi
[12:52] <usual> When choosing kernel packages, do I want to choose kernel-* or linux-*
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> heya does anyone have any idea why i might not be able to make an online payment with firefox in ubuntu?
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> i used to do it with no problem with mozilla in rh9
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> i thought maybe there's some setting or something that i needed to set
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> checked cookies and popups and allowed those
[01:02] <gpled> i am trying to get ubuntu-desktop to install, but it fails because of gcalctool.  gcalctool says bad deb.  how can i fix this?
[01:03] <gpled> Unpacking gcalctool (from .../gcalctool_4.4.20-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[01:03] <gpled> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gcalctool_4.4.20-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:03] <gpled>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[01:03] <gpled> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[01:03] <gpled> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:03] <gpled>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gcalctool_4.4.20-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:03] <gpled> Failed to apply all changes! Scroll in this buffer to see what went wrong
[01:03] <gpled> any ideas?
[01:04] <cottonginntonix> hello everyone
[01:04] <cottonginntonix> im still having troubles installing java...LOL
[01:04] <gpled> anyone?
[01:05] <gpled> is their a way to clear out /var/cache/apt/archives/gcalctool_4.4.20-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[01:06] <scoon> cottonginntonix, what trouble ?
[01:06] <scoon> cottonginntonix, it is pretty straight forward to get going
[01:06] <Samchi> Hi, is there any known problem with fglrx and kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-14?
[01:08] <BockBilbo> good night
[01:08] <BockBilbo> ..
[01:08] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:08] <BockBilbo> ive had a problem with ubuntu
[01:08] <BockBilbo> ive done an apt-get upgrade
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> sorry
[01:09] <moquist> BockBilbo2: have you also had a problem with Ubuntu?
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> i was saying that ive done an apt-get upgrade
[01:09] <moquist> ;)
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> yeah
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> xD
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> lol
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> see
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> the upgrade has deleted my original kernel image
[01:10] <Samchi> anyone know if there are any problems with kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-14 Xfree and fglrx?
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> and has destroyed to the initrd image
[01:10] <Zotnix> I've noticed that Synaptic and apt-get upgrade differently.
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> adding some new entries that wont work to grub
[01:10] <farruinn> BockBilbo2: the old kernel should be right in /boot with the new one
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> now i cannot log in to ubuntu
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> farruinn, welll
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> the new one isnt there
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> though it is referenced in the new grub menu.list
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> and the old one is there
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> but the initrd image is missing
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> so it doesnt run
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> none of them boot
[01:11] <farruinn> damn
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> what has happened???
[01:11] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:11] <farruinn> do you have a livecd?
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> well
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> knoppix
[01:12] <farruinn> eh, that wouldn't be so good
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> shall i download ubuntus live cd??
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> gnoppix?
[01:12] <farruinn> I was going to suggest copying the kernel on the livecd to /boot just so you could get back in and try to repair it
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> mmm
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> good idea...
[01:13] <TTilus> Zotnix: they may well resolve dependencies differently, at least apt and aptitude do
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> but... what could have happend???
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> it makes no sense at all
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:13] <TTilus> got my MythTV-to-be -box assembled but it won't boot  :-(
[01:14] <TTilus> fans buzz, but nothing else, no pic, no beep, no nothing
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> well
[01:14] <TTilus> any suggestions?
[01:14] <TTilus> is my pundit dead?
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> :(
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> well
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> farruinn, you there?
[01:16] <farruinn> BockBilbo2: I have no idea what happened
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> well
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> see
[01:16] <TTilus> *shiver*
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> i made an image of the whole linux partition 3 days ago
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> i think im gonna delete the whole partition and replace it with the image
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> it should work
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> then.... i wont do the upgrade..
[01:17] <TTilus> are socket-478 and PGA478 different?
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> but.... farruinn is it recommended to do upgrades in warty???
[01:17] <TTilus> ...could i have bought unsupported CPU  *blush*
[01:18] <Killian> anyone know if Ubuntu can fdisk a HFS+ drive on install? Cuz im havin all sorts of probs over here w. a mac install, and im just sayin fsck it....take out the whole drive
[01:19] <usual> BockBilbo, what upgrade
[01:19] <BockBilbo> usual i did an apt-get upgrade
[01:19] <BockBilbo> and it changed my kernel and my grub config
[01:19] <BockBilbo> and i cannot access to ubuntu now
[01:19] <usual> BockBilbo, using warty?
[01:19] <BockBilbo> yeah
[01:19] <usual> weird
[01:19] <BockBilbo> i dont really understand
[01:19] <BockBilbo> yes it is
[01:19] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:20] <BockBilbo> could it be a problem with universe?
[01:20] <BockBilbo> or multiuniverse?
[01:20] <TTilus> Killian: partitioning shouldt be about filesystems... mostly
[01:20] <farruinn> Killian: I don't know what modules the installer loads/has, but perhaps you need to run modprobe hfsplus
[01:20] <Killian> not partitioning....im just tryin to run 1st install
[01:21] <Killian> install-power4 didnt work
[01:21] <Killian> install didnt work
[01:21] <Killian> at this time i could care less about the data on the disk
[01:21] <TTilus> Killian: just implicated that partitioning from "fdisk"
[01:21] <Killian> i just wanna get rid of the HFS
[01:21] <BockBilbo> well
[01:21] <Killian> hfs+
[01:21] <BockBilbo> im now formating the partition and copying the image
[01:21] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:22] <farruinn> Killian: well, at the partitioning step just delete the hfs partition and you should have a huge chunk of empty space in which you can let the installer auto-configure if you wish
[01:22] <Killian> farruinn....how would i run that on a initial install...
[01:22] <BockBilbo> it will hopefully work
[01:22] <BockBilbo> S
[01:22] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:23] <Killian> i dont make it to the partitioning step...
[01:23] <Killian> it wont even load past 16%
[01:23] <Killian> :S
[01:23] <Zotnix> Mm.... GTK 2.6
[01:23] <TTilus> Killian: boot installer from CD?
[01:23] <Killian> yep TTilus
[01:23] <farruinn> Killian: what model mac?
[01:23] <Killian> Dual 533 G5
[01:23] <Killian> G4*
[01:24] <pixelmonkey_> Ubuntu needs to upgrade to gstreamer 0.8.6! :)
[01:24] <pixelmonkey_> in warty that is
[01:24] <Zotnix> WMV 9
[01:24] <Zotnix> Heh
[01:24] <pixelmonkey_> it's sitting around in Debian sid anyway... there are nasty bugs in 0.8.5 related to AAC playback (if you want it)
[01:25] <Killian> it botches on modprobe -v aic7xxx <Like 5% on install>
[01:25] <Killian> then jumps to module via82cxxx at 16% and stays there
[01:25] <Killian> cd not runnin..nothin..
[01:26] <farruinn> is this during boot or install?
[01:26] <farruinn> because if it's installing then you've already partitioned...
[01:26] <Killian> fabbioneinstall
[01:26] <Killian> farruinn; install
[01:26] <Killian> bleh.....overly anxious and on a M$ kb atm
[01:27] <Killian> any other linux distro ive used has been able to wipe out the drive no matter what FS was on it on install....
[01:27] <Killian> this isnt even loadin up to really start install
[01:28] <sgood1971> Anyone know how to turn off the wireless radio on  my laptop? ifdown eth1 shuts down eth1, but I do not think it shuts off the radio.
[01:28] <Killian> tho ive never had HFS+....usually its been encrypted NTFS
[01:28] <Killian> and linux has ate that up easily... :S
[01:29] <Killian> sgood1971: wouldnt a "TOP" then "KILL <PID#>" for the radio work?
[01:29] <sgood1971> I don't know. I will try though.
[01:30] <Killian> as id think it'd have a process running for it somewhere
[01:30] <sgood1971> Nope, no processes for the radio as far as I can tell.
[01:31] <Killian> hmm.....not sure then...
[01:31] <Killian> ive never had to shut down eth0's before
[01:31] <sgood1971> Killian: Thanks anyway, I will just keep googleing until I get there.
[01:33] <JStrike> Ok. The the Nvidia kernel is loading now. But I am still stuck in 640x480 for some reason. Any ideas?
[01:33] <Killian> farruinn: any thoughts on what i can do w. this? was almost half tempted to try to run an fdisk thru the WIFI to wipe out the drive since i cant seem to clear it out from Root on the Mac end
[01:36] <farruinn> Killian: I actually don't fully understand what your problem is or at what point in the install process it's occurring
[01:36] <JStrike> It might have something to do with this from the log file
[01:36] <JStrike> (II) NVIDIA(0): JD177: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz
[01:36] <JStrike> and then
[01:37] <nyktovus> whats the difference between main restricted and universe?
[01:37] <JStrike> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (hsync out of range)
[01:37] <JStrike> etc
[01:37] <farruinn> ubhuti: components
[01:37] <ubhuti> The Ubuntu software repository contains thousands of software packages organised into four "components", on the basis of the level of support offered, and whether or not they comply with Ubuntu's Free Software Philosophy. The components are called "main", "restricted", "universe" and "multiverse".
[01:37] <Killian> on boot: hold C for CDBoot....brings up the First screen...checking IDE1...etc...then it brings me to the BOOT: prompt where you can type "install" 'install-power4"
[01:38] <Killian> then after that...it locks at 16% on the install
[01:38] <JStrike> and
[01:38] <JStrike> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[01:38] <nyktovus> thats great.. nice quote.. so whats the difference
[01:39] <nyktovus> they could be called "bob" "fred" "teddy" and "terd" .. and they'd make just as much sense
[01:39] <farruinn> Killian: ah, so it sounds to me like it's trying to load kernel drivers
[01:39] <farruinn> don't know the answer to that
[01:40] <farruinn> nyktovus: yeah, sorry, just reading tha now and seeing how unhepful it is
[01:40] <Killian> shiznit
[01:40] <Killian> wonder if its the Dual CPUs?
[01:40] <Killian> hell...could be anything....
[01:40] <farruinn> basically, main contains the free software supported and maintained by the Ubuntu team
[01:40] <farruinn> Killian: my guess something to do with the mobo, but that's just a very uninformed guess
[01:40] <nyktovus> ok .. so is that like "stable"
[01:41] <farruinn> nyktovus: actually, warty is like stable and hoary is unstable
[01:41] <JStrike> no. It is the supported stuff
[01:41] <farruinn> main, restricted, universe, multiverse exist in both
[01:41] <nyktovus> what the fuck? are those different repositories i never heard of?
[01:41] <farruinn> nope, *components* found on the repositories
[01:41] <nyktovus> look what happened to stable, testing and unstable?
[01:41] <nyktovus> can't i still use those?
[01:41] <farruinn> that's warty and hoary
[01:42] <farruinn> those are *releases*
[01:42] <nyktovus> uhh..
[01:42] <nyktovus> .. look lets drop the releases thing..
[01:42] <nyktovus> i'm talking about sources to download all the fuckin apps that are missing in this install
[01:42] <farruinn> nyktovus: that's not what you asked in the first place
[01:42] <farruinn> you need to enable universe
[01:43] <farruinn> that can be done by modifying /etc/apt/sources.list or through synaptic
[01:43] <nyktovus> right. so if i enable universe what does that mean?
[01:43] <nyktovus> universe is the most VAGUE term i ever heard
[01:44] <JStrike> It means you have access to all the other apps that are not supported by Ubuntu/cannonical
[01:44] <farruinn> nyktovus: look, I didn't choose the names - all of this is very easily found on the ubuntu website
[01:44] <nyktovus> no its not
[01:44] <nyktovus> i been digging around the crappy site all day.
[01:44] <macewan> nyktovus: uncomment the appropriate line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <nyktovus> its "help" and support" sectioins need serious help
[01:45] <nyktovus> i know HOW to get repositories people. i dont know WHAT to comment or uncomment cause the choices of names SUCK
[01:45] <nyktovus> cause they are vague and unhelpful
[01:45] <JStrike> Dude. Get a grip
[01:46] <nyktovus> at least in debian they sya "unstable" testing" stable"
[01:46] <macewan> rescue remedy is your friend nyk
[01:46] <nyktovus> ...
[01:46] <macewan> takes the edge off
[01:46] <nyktovus> thanx man.
[01:46] <nyktovus> heheh
[01:46] <macewan> :)
[01:46] <Zotnix> You are using WARTY... if you have anything that says HOARY... you know you are using unstable.
[01:46] <Zotnix> Not very hard.
[01:46] <nyktovus> . i am using 4.10
[01:46] <farruinn> that's warty
[01:46] <nyktovus> so yes the system is stable
[01:46] <macewan> i use it at work
[01:46] <macewan> stable
[01:47] <nyktovus> but the system is lacking tons of essential apps
[01:47] <macewan> such as
[01:47] <JStrike> So.  Don't know why this issue would suddenly crop up
[01:51] <nyktovus> ok well synaptic is my choice
[01:51] <farruinn> nyktovus: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:51] <JStrike> nyktovus : Ubuntu doesn't ship with support for restricted formats
[01:51] <nyktovus> holy crap
[01:51] <nyktovus> thats GAY
[01:51] <JStrike> What?\
[01:52] <Zotnix> Lots of distros don't
[01:52] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/philosophy
[01:52] <nyktovus> wwell chrsit how can we make this OS actually worthwhile?
[01:52] <Zotnix> you can get the formats easily.
[01:52] <nyktovus> how?
[01:52] <JStrike> What are you going on about?
[01:52] <macewan> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:52] <Zotnix> He just sent you a link
[01:53] <Zotnix> RTFG
[01:53] <macewan> not very ubunt of you
[01:53] <macewan> ;)
[01:53] <Zotnix> I came from Slackware ;)
[01:53] <alka_trash> damn, my roommate decided to install Linux, so I handed him the Latest Ubuntu cd and then he goes and installs Redhat and he's now frustrated.
[01:54] <farruinn> heh, serves him right
[01:54] <farruinn> :D
[01:54] <alka_trash> I was trying to help him, now he is back in windows xp again
[01:54] <macewan> give him a warm milk. he'll be alright
[01:55] <Zotnix> I went from Windows ME to RH8 on my laptop
[01:55] <Zotnix> Liked it a lot.
[01:55] <farruinn> wow, I seriously could not handle all that negativity coming from nyktovus
[01:55] <Killian> anythings better than winME....cept perhaps Win 1.0
[01:55] <Zotnix> Well WinME I owe to me discovering Linux anyways.
[01:55] <Zotnix> Have used it ever since.
[01:55] <JStrike> Argh. 640x480 is killing me
[01:55] <macewan> haven't used win since '95 or so
[01:55] <Zotnix> So... been using Linux since March of 2003
[01:56] <alka_trash> wow
[01:56] <alka_trash> it
[01:56] <alka_trash> it's been a couple of years here too
[01:56] <Zotnix> I learned it slowly... remember compiling my first package.
[01:56] <Zotnix> brings a tear to my eye.
[01:56] <Zotnix> Dependency hell with RPMs...
[01:56] <alka_trash> yep
[01:56] <alka_trash> I remember that,
[01:56] <farruinn> heh, me to but only because it took so damn long on my 233MHz machine!
[01:57] <alka_trash> I then settled down with slack
[01:57] <JStrike> Any X experts in here?
[01:57] <alka_trash> I guess not, what's your issue
[01:57] <Killian> i like slack....probly my fav. distro ive used outta the 4 i have used
[01:58] <alka_trash> Killian: it's a great distro
[01:58] <Zotnix> I've used RH8, RH9, FC3, Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, Ubuntu, and Mandrake.
[01:58] <JStrike> alka_trash : I am stuck in 640x480 in Hoary atm
[01:58] <Zotnix> Slack I loved the boot scripts.
[01:58] <Zotnix> The layout of that.
[01:58] <Zotnix> but I'm liking Ubuntu.
[01:58] <JStrike> alka_trash : I suspect it has taken a dislike to my monitor
[01:58] <alka_trash> JStrike: check your config file :
[01:59] <zenwhen> Zotnix, I switched from slack too.
[01:59] <JStrike> alka_trash : Nothing has changed
[01:59] <Zotnix> Well my list distro was Gentoo
[01:59] <zenwhen> I've taken to tosiing all my needed stuff in bootmisc.sh
[01:59] <Zotnix> Got tired of compiling... though i loved the repositories... so huge.
[01:59] <zenwhen> lol
[01:59] <Zotnix> last*
[01:59] <Zotnix> Ubuntu comes close enough
[02:00] <zenwhen> If ubuntu doesnt't have it, debian usually does
[02:00] <zenwhen> doesn't*
[02:00] <Zotnix> Mandrake.. LOVED the ease of use. Didn't have to struggle with Samba
[02:00] <alka_trash> JStrike: open command prompt, log in as root,
[02:01] <alka_trash> JStrike: did you get that far yet
[02:01] <JStrike> alka_trash : Well, I dont have root. Will run whatever you say as sudo
[02:01] <alka_trash> JStrike: yep that's ti
[02:02] <alka_trash> JStrike: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:02] <JStrike> ok
[02:03] <JStrike> alka_trash : done
[02:10] <JStrike> alka_trash : You still there?
[02:12] <alka_trash> JStrike: sorry, helping my buddy
[02:13] <odo> ok, now I
[02:13] <odo> 'm impressed
[02:13] <JStrike> alka_trash : np
[02:14] <odo> just installed ubuntu to my laptop...this is really the first distro where touchpad, wlan and  perverted soundchip work out-of-the box... :)
[02:14] <tritium> JStrike, did you get the latest kernel installed yet?
[02:14] <alka_trash> look in that config file for horizontal and vertical settings
[02:18] <JStrike> tritium : yep
[02:19] <JStrike> alka_trash : I have them. For which depth are you talking about?
[02:20] <alka_trash> what's the highest setting on those
[02:20] <alka_trash> 1024x768?
[02:20] <JStrike> alka_trash: 1280x1024
[02:20] <alka_trash> kewl
[02:20] <JStrike> Which is what I used to run it in
[02:20] <alka_trash> right above that do you notice the section monitor
[02:21] <JStrike> alka_trash : yes
[02:22] <tiago_> hi there, how can I load a subtitle on totem-xine?
[02:22] <alka_trash> is there anything for HorizSync
[02:22] <JStrike> Nope
[02:22] <tritium> JStrike, so is Xorg working with your nVidia now?
[02:22] <JStrike> Just Identifier and Option
[02:22] <JStrike> tritium : Yes. But only in 640x480
[02:22] <JStrike> tritium : Thanks for the heads up btw
[02:22] <tritium> looks like it's just a matter of configuring your monitor?
[02:23] <tritium> JStrike, no problem.
[02:23] <tiago_> I can't load this subtitle... it not enables this option from menu
[02:25] <JStrike> alka_trash : Must I add something in for HorizSync
[02:26] <lil_anthony> question: what file is edited to start different window managers? cause for some reason i no longer get the session menu when i start ubuntu :(
[02:26] <lil_anthony> it automatically goes to gnome :(
[02:26] <farruinn> lil_anthony: running warty?
[02:27] <lil_anthony> yes
[02:27] <farruinn> ok, check Computer>System Configuration>Login Screen Options
[02:27] <farruinn> er, setup rather
[02:27] <tiago_> anybody could help me?
[02:29] <lil_anthony> ok far i'm seeing this but not getting it cause it appears to have the right window that i want but i never get that when i try reboot
[02:29] <lil_anthony> i just get a screen says debian and login password
[02:29] <farruinn> lil_anthony: oh, from what you had said before it sounded like you had automatic login enabled
[02:30] <lil_anthony> sorry
[02:30] <lil_anthony> no it starts gnome when i login but i personally hate gnome and want to use fluxbox instead
[02:30] <farruinn> lil_anthony: have you installed flux?  last I knew it wasn't in warty
[02:30] <lil_anthony> not sure what i changed though but i no longer get the session options
[02:30] <lil_anthony> yes
[02:31] <lil_anthony> i installed it
[02:31] <farruinn> aaah, from debian sources?
[02:31] <lil_anthony> been running it for a whilie
[02:31] <lil_anthony> i believe so
[02:31] <lil_anthony> if i recall i did a apt-get install fluxbox
[02:31] <farruinn> sounds to me like gdm has been pulled in fromt he debian repos to
[02:31] <farruinn> too*
[02:32] <lil_anthony> well i installed xdm
[02:32] <farruinn> oh, hmm, I haven't used xdm for ages...
[02:32] <IamMooooo> can anyone help me with an install, the install is hanging at loading components 34% "retrieving nic-extra-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-386-dI"
[02:32] <lil_anthony> well all i want is NO GNOME
[02:32] <lil_anthony> and run flux
[02:33] <lil_anthony> gnome makes my old system run slow as crap
[02:33] <IamMooooo> annnnyone know?
[02:34] <lil_anthony> what file is that tdm & in i changed it to fluxbox &
[02:34] <lil_anthony> i can't remember the file though
[02:34] <lil_anthony> i thought it was .xsession
[02:35] <^SilenT^> .xinitrc perhaps
[02:35] <lil_anthony> let me try
[02:35] <JStrike> Shouldn't Xorg retrieve my HorizSync from my monitor identifier
[02:35] <scoon> lil_anthony, gdm uses ~/.xsession
[02:35] <farruinn> scoon: lil_anthony is using xdm
[02:36] <lil_anthony> ok this is totally confusing me :(
[02:36] <lil_anthony> dang i changed this crap last night trying to get vnc to work
[02:37] <tritium> JStrike, I haven't been following too carefully.  Did you try the Option "UseEdidFreqs" "true"
[02:37] <tritium> ?
[02:38] <farruinn> lil_anthony: I think you're right - ~/.xsession
[02:38] <lil_anthony> well that file doesn't exit
[02:38] <farruinn> try creating it and just putting fluxbox& in it
[02:39] <farruinn> ^SilenT^: does that sound right?
[02:39] <lil_anthony> then restart X?
[02:39] <farruinn> yeah
[02:39] <^SilenT^> farruinn, Could be. man xdm might be usefull :)
[02:39] <farruinn> that's what I've been reading :)
[02:39] <^SilenT^> =)
[02:39] <JStrike> tritium : No. Should I?
[02:39] <tritium> You could...
[02:39] <lil_anthony> so xdm ?
[02:39] <lil_anthony> or just make the file
[02:40] <IamMooooo> can anyone help me with an install, the install is hanging at loading components 34% "retrieving nic-extra-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-386-dI"
[02:40] <Quest-Master> I want to find a cheap iBook
[02:40] <tritium> JStrike, be sure you've read through /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[02:40] <Quest-Master> So stylish and cool.
[02:40] <^SilenT^> Quest-Master, :)
[02:40] <JStrike> tritium : I am still not understanding why this would suddenly happen
[02:41] <lil_anthony> ok i made .xsession
[02:41] <tritium> not sure...
[02:41] <lil_anthony> put fluxbox & in there
[02:41] <lil_anthony> and chmod 600 the file
[02:41] <lil_anthony> let me restart x and se what else i can screw up :)
[02:41] <farruinn> hehe, good luck =)
[02:42] <tritium> JStrike, I've got to step away for a while...I'll be back later.
[02:50] <Kirsch> what's a good CD Burning program to make a Music CD from MP3s?
[02:50] <snerfu> k3b
[02:57] <Hikaru79> What's a good C++ IDE besides Eclipse?
[02:57] <StevenR> where do ubuntu cd's get shipped from?
[02:58] <xevil> mine came from Sweden, if I remember correctly
[02:59] <mike998> hmmm when trying to start quake 2 installed from synaptic and from my windows CD, I am getting an error LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[02:59] <mike998> I have other stuff (lsdldoom and RTCW) running
[02:59] <mike998> does anyone know what this .so is and where I can get it?
[03:00] <gpled> when installing, could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com . is that normal?
[03:01] <StevenR> xevil: thanks
[03:01] <Hikaru79> gpled, no :| It means that computer is having problems connecting to the internet
[03:01] <Hikaru79> Was it able to complete installation?
[03:01] <xevil> StevenR: n/p
[03:02] <xevil> StevenR: it took several months to get them... I had almost forgotten about it
[03:03] <StevenR> xevil: i got mine a couple of days ago :)
[03:03] <xevil> StevenR: easy install, huh?
[03:03] <sub_pop> has anyone experimented with Gmail's POP? how does it behave with labels?
[03:04] <StevenR> xevil: only played with live cd so far, need to fit my other harddisk to install it
[03:04] <gpled> Hikaru79: it tried about 3 times, then moved to something like security.ubuntu.com.  also, I could ping archive.ubuntu.com from tty2
[03:04] <Hikaru79> o_O Hmm
[03:04] <Hikaru79> So it *did* have a connection to the internet that worked?
[03:05] <xevil> StevenR: it was the most painless Linux install I've done... less than an hour and everything worked
[03:05] <gpled> Hikaru79: yep.  i aslo pinged www.google.com
[03:05] <gpled> also
[03:05] <StevenR> xevil: cool :)
[03:05] <Hikaru79> Oh, in that case, it was probably just a problem on Ubuntu's side
[03:05] <Hikaru79> That's very rare, but it does happen
[03:05] <Hikaru79> Try again in a few hours
[03:05] <Hikaru79> Should be fine... I think
[03:05] <Hikaru79> I see no reason why it would be able to connect to everything *but* Ubuntu's repositories...
[03:06] <mike998> strange thing is, I can run quake 2 using wine, but I get no sound... Google looks like it's a problem with maybe a Joystick(?) but I don't have one and I've tried using the set_joystick 0 switch and am getting nothing
[03:07] <Hikaru79> Heh
[03:07] <Hikaru79> I've always found it very wierd that Joysticks plug into the sound card >_>
[03:08] <mike998> *sigh*
[03:08] <gpled> Hikaru79: it was trying for a path within the site. so i figured they had renamed a file or something.
[03:08] <mike998> so much for wanting to run quake 2
[03:08] <Hikaru79> It would've given a different error than 'cannot connect'... I would think
[03:09] <gpled> has anyone had trouble installing gcalctool?
[03:09] <douglas> is there a kget like app for gnome ?
[03:10] <gpled> douglas: is that like wget?
[03:10] <douglas> nope
[03:11] <Hikaru79> Still getting "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" when trying to reload the Synaptic repositories ;_;
[03:12] <douglas> is a downloader mananger
[03:21] <StevenR> well ubuntu live cd works from qemu, if anyone's interested
[03:28] <StevenR> meet my alter distro StevenR_Ubuntu
[03:30] <nyktovus> ok so how do you set xmms to be your preferred mp3 player?
[03:30] <nyktovus> i found the "preferred applications" panel.. but its only for web browswers and text
[03:34] <oh8gdv> can someone help me a bit with hoary? Im
[03:34] <nyktovus> anyone?
[03:34] <oh8gdv> I'm having some trouble with utf-8 :)
[03:34] <oh8gdv> it seems to be the default
[03:35] <StevenR> I have a quick install question... If i put the install cd in, how long would it take me to get to the point where I could just leave it cd crunching? (pretty experienced user)
[03:35] <snerfu> the install in itself is pretty short
[03:36] <oh8gdv> StevenR: how long does it take to partition for you?
[03:36] <snerfu> maybe 5 minutes to get to the package install section
[03:36] <oh8gdv> and select the country
[03:36] <StevenR> oh8gdv: it would take me about 3mins with something like cfdisk
[03:36] <oh8gdv> StevenR: and it's not too long a process, probably you can get a coffee while it's installing
[03:36] <oh8gdv> StevenR: not like windows, spending the whole evening just waiting
[03:36] <StevenR> this is a fast box, 1830mhz athlon
[03:37] <oh8gdv>
[03:37] <oh8gdv> I don't like utf-8 :)
[03:37] <StevenR> i'll only have one partition on this experiementation install
[03:37] <StevenR> and swap, so actually 2
[03:37] <oh8gdv> but if someone (developer, perhaps?) tells me it's going to be forced anyways with the next release.. I might consider
[03:38] <nyktovus> anyone know how i can set the preffered programs to be used to access certain file types
[03:38] <StevenR> thanks folks
[03:38] <oh8gdv> nyktovus: you can set text editor and terminal quite easily, if that's what you're looking for. other than that, I haven't used gnome enough to say
[03:39] <nyktovus> i'm looking to set the preferred apps for mp3s
[03:40] <bam> nyktovus, right click on an mp3 file and select properties
[03:40] <bam> it will let you set it there
[03:40] <bam> from like the fourth tab of the properties screen
[03:41] <oh8gdv> hmh. so I guess everyone uses the stable release here? I'm going to need a bit more bleeding-edge than that. hoary seems really nice, other than UTF8.
[03:42] <oh8gdv> though I could understand if it was being forced
[03:42] <AndyFitz> hey doesnt     chmod user * -R work on hidden files ?
[03:42] <bam> what are you looking for that's newer than in warty?
[03:42] <oh8gdv> bam: x.org
[03:42] <AndyFitz> how can you get it to affect them
[03:42] <bam> ahh
[03:42] <En3rgy> question on installing ubuntu..
[03:42] <oh8gdv> bam: my radeon works soo much better under x.org
[03:42] <nyktovus> nope
[03:42] <bam> can't you set the apt-get sources file like you can in debian
[03:42] <nyktovus> didnt werk
[03:43] <nyktovus> it only opened it that once in that app
[03:43] <oh8gdv> bam: mixing different versions in debian sucks. I don't think there's x.org for warty
[03:43] <oh8gdv> I could be wrong, though
[03:43] <nyktovus> and there was only 2 tabs in properties
[03:43] <En3rgy> my laptop got stuck at or after the ling "Setting up gstreamer0.8-gsm"
[03:43] <nyktovus> woah! i lied
[03:44] <bam> really?  i get five tabs from properties when i right click on a file
[03:44] <bam> and the fourth is 'open with'
[03:44] <nyktovus> whats totem good for it doesnt seem to play anything
[03:44] <oh8gdv> bam: I know it's not the best idea to expect any help with not-released version, but it was my choice. so far so good.
[03:45] <oh8gdv> I guess I'll have to read the source
[03:45] <bam> naw, i'm not saying anything bad about it, was just curious
[03:45] <oh8gdv> unless you can tell me how to disable utf-8?
[03:45] <En3rgy> have any of u guys tried installing ubuntu on a dell laptop?
[03:45] <oh8gdv> En3rgy: not dell, but fujitsu-siemens.
[03:46] <bam> nyktovus, i switched to xine for video.  i couldn't get totem to stream over smb
[03:46] <snerfu> En3rgy, I have an inspiron 8100
[03:46] <En3rgy> i'm using a inspiron 9200
[03:46] <En3rgy> can't install tho.
[03:46] <nyktovus> where do apps exssit
[03:46] <bam> En3rgy, i'm running it on a dell inspiron 3800 right now
[03:46] <snerfu> En3rgy, errors on packages?
[03:46] <En3rgy> error when installing
[03:46] <En3rgy> got stuck while setting up packages.
[03:47] <snerfu> just keep rerunning that package installer
[03:47] <nyktovus> in mozilla i get an "open with" dialog
[03:47] <snerfu> it will eventually get everything
[03:47] <nyktovus> where can i find xmms
[03:47] <En3rgy> that's in my install phase tho.
[03:47] <nyktovus> ???
[03:47] <En3rgy> how do i do that.
[03:47] <snerfu> happened to me alot
[03:47] <En3rgy> they got stuck at the same point for hte last 3 times i've tried..
[03:47] <snerfu> it will drop you back to the package install option, and when you choose it again all the stuff you already installed is cached
[03:48] <bam> nyktovus, you gotta enable the the "universe" level packages in synaptic to see xmms... if that's what you mean
[03:48] <En3rgy> how? after restart?
[03:48] <nyktovus> no i have it installed already
[03:48] <nyktovus> i just dont know where to find the app itself
[03:48] <nyktovus> is it in /etc? /sbin?
[03:48] <bam> Ohmer, you already install the package/
[03:48] <nyktovus> where?
[03:48] <bam> ya
[03:48] <bam> /usr/bin/xmms i think
[03:48] <macewan> multimedia
[03:48] <macewan> applications > multimedia
[03:49] <En3rgy> snerfu, how do i get back to that package option page?
[03:49] <bam> after i installed xmms (and xine), i didn't see the items in the multimedia menu until after rebooting
[03:49] <En3rgy> i'm still at the second part of installing ubuntu
[03:49] <snerfu> When it errors out one of the options brings you back to the main install screen
[03:49] <macewan> bam: kill the gnome panel
[03:49] <En3rgy> well, it just got stuck, nothing came out.
[03:50] <bam> yam, it was fine, was just letting nyktovus know
[03:50] <nyktovus> no i need the actual location
[03:50] <bam> s/yam/yah/
[03:50] <nyktovus> not its stupid menu placement
[03:50] <bam> /usr/bin/xmms
[03:50] <macewan> which xmms > /usr/bin/xmms
[03:50] <nyktovus> dude YOU RULE!
[03:50] <nyktovus> bam is the man
[03:50] <nyktovus> WOOT Woot!
[03:51] <nyktovus> so whats a good mpg player?
[03:51] <nyktovus> or how do i make totem play anything?
[03:51] <En3rgy> totem
[03:51] <bam> nyktovus, xine has worked out best for me so far, for video
[03:51] <nyktovus> is there a way to make totem play things?
[03:51] <En3rgy> nyktovus, i love totem!!1
[03:52] <nyktovus> cause i already got it
[03:52] <En3rgy> nyktovus, yes
[03:52] <bam> i had to switch from totem to xine in ubuntu
[03:52] <snerfu> En3rgy, sorry to hear about that, I struggled through it on my laptop too
[03:52] <makaveli> wenever i try to partition with ubuntu i get an error that says "the attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in IDE2 master, partition #2 () at / failed" can anybody help me i've been looking for the past two days to try to figure out the problem and can't find the answer ne ware
[03:52] <nyktovus> totem seems cool , i agree, but at the moment it blows.
[03:52] <nyktovus> it doesnt play anyting but with itself
[03:52] <bam> yam, i was getting a lot of errors with it
[03:53] <nyktovus> and frankly i'd rather do that myself then watch all these lame errors for its lack of capability
[03:53] <mike998> umm
[03:53] <makaveli> i've tried every filesystem in the manual config and they all give me the same error
[03:54] <bam> makaveli, is that a partition that ubuntu created?  or was it pre-existing?
[03:54] <makaveli> ubuntu is trying to creat it yes
[03:54] <makaveli> but i get that error every time
[03:55] <bam> i tried like six or seven distro's desktops last weekend, and i remember running across that exact error, but i don't remember why, and i don't think it was ubuntu :(
[03:55] <En3rgy> one more question while installing on my laptop, it doesn't detect my NIC, only my wireless.. and since i don't have a wireless access, can i manually force ubuntu to get the other one?
[03:55] <macewan> nyk: have you enabled multiverse?
[03:55] <makaveli> well do u know how i would fix it
[03:56] <nyktovus> no
[03:56] <nyktovus> what does it matter
[03:56] <nyktovus> do i need to install more?
[03:56] <nyktovus> whats a good all around mpg, divx, wmv player?
[03:56] <bam> makaveli, i don't off the top of my head
[03:56] <nyktovus> vlc?
[03:56] <bam> nyktovus, xine
[03:56] <macewan> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[03:56] <makaveli> bam, so then what would u suggest me to do
[03:57] <bam> although i don't think it will play wmv
[03:57] <makaveli> what is wmv
[03:57] <nyktovus> otem could not play 'file:///home/nyktovus/www.funnyjunk.com_water_balloon_fun.wmv'.
[03:57] <nyktovus> Failed to open; reason unknown
[03:57] <bam> makaveli, dunno, i'm thinking on it, but not sure
[03:57] <bam> makaveli, windows media file
[03:57] <makaveli> ok
[03:57] <nyktovus> will xine play dvds'?
[03:58] <bam> nyktovus, i'm not sure if any of them can handle the windows wmv codec  (but i'm not an expert on the subject)
[03:58] <nyktovus> wah??
[03:58] <makaveli> bam, i can use fdisk in gentoo and that works fine but this partitioning thing won't work no matter what
[03:58] <bam> not sure about dvds
[03:58] <makaveli> i don't know where else to look to get this problem solved it is all over the forums and nobody has replies that say how to fix it
[03:59] <En3rgy> nyktovus, i don't remember what's the name of the package, but there's a package with all the windows video encoders
[04:00] <macewan> nyk: libdvdcss2
[04:00] <bam> he already bolted :(
[04:00] <macewan> totem-xine also
[04:00] <QM[FMA] > nyktovus, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[04:01] <En3rgy> oop..
[04:01] <bam> too impatient :)
[04:01] <macewan> if he'd only read the howtos & guides
[04:01] <En3rgy> any step by step booting for ubuntu?
[04:01] <macewan> booting?
[04:01] <macewan> or installing
[04:05] <makaveli> hey what's the command to partition without the installer interface to do it from the command line
[04:05] <socomm> qparted?
[04:06] <lexhider> is lilo not available for ubuntu?
[04:06] <En3rgy> installing.
[04:06] <socomm> lexhider: Yes.
[04:06] <socomm> lexhider: Lilo is available via apt-get.
[04:07] <En3rgy> does anyone know how to force ubuntu to choose my NIC card instead of my WAN card during the "detect network hardware" section??
[04:08] <lexhider> apt-cache search lilo | grep ^lilo
[04:08] <lexhider> give nothing
[04:09] <socomm> You need to enable the multiverse.
[04:09] <lexhider> socomm: thanks, has lilo had some kind of license change I'm unaware of.
[04:10] <socomm> lexhider: No, the Ubuntu developers seem to prefer grub over lilo.
[04:10] <farruinn> umm... I dont' see lilo in multiverse on archive.ubuntu.com
[04:10] <socomm> Multiverse, Universe one of those two.
[04:10] <lexhider> I don't particularly want lilo, I'm just having troubles getting winXP to boot with grub and I thought I'd try and see if lilo would work.
[04:11] <farruinn> eh, I dunno, I don't see it in universe either so I must be looking for the wrong thing
[04:12] <rageear> hey everyone
[04:12] <lexhider> unless I'm doing something really wrong, lilo isn't in universe/main/multiverse!
[04:13] <socomm> apt-get update
[04:14] <socomm> Grub should really have no problems booting into Xp.
[04:14] <punkrockguy318> is there a way to read /var/mail/ besides cat?
[04:15] <rageear> is it possible to see the contents of a disk before the install?
[04:15] <lexhider> socomm: I'm getting "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7"
[04:15] <socomm> What sorta disk?
[04:15] <rageear> i've got three disks in an old server and i don't want to erase any important data
[04:15] <rageear> hard drive = disk
[04:15] <DonL> Anyone know how to hook up an old Roland synth to a computer running Ubuntu and SBLive?
[04:16] <DonL> ..and what sequencers work well?
[04:16] <Quest-Master> DonL: Lot's of good sequencers.
[04:16] <socomm> rageear: How about mounting them via a Live-CD?
[04:16] <Quest-Master> DonL: Check http://www.gnome-apps.org/ and under Multimedia/
[04:16] <DonL> I've seen some KDE specific ones
[04:16] <rageear> oooh....thats a good idea
[04:16] <DonL> Quest-Master, thanks I'll go there.
[04:17] <Quest-Master> DonL: Some to check are BEAST, SWAMI, and Rosegarden Music (you can find this one at www.rosegardenmusic.com -- fabulous software piece)
[04:17] <Quest-Master> No problem.
[04:17] <DonL> I had it hooked up years ago to an Atari
[04:17] <rageear> i can do that, but i've got an install disk already...any way to do it with just the install disc?
[04:19] <scoon> anyone have any trouble with the warty samba upgrade
[04:19] <DonL> I was looking at the Rosegarden one, but I didn't really want to install KDE libraries
[04:19] <scoon> when i restart the service log.smbd show it crashing cuz of an internal err
[04:19] <DonL> After years of KDE I thought I'd give myself a break and see if I could go it alone with Gnome
[04:19] <farruinn> DonL: I think in this case it's worth it
[04:20] <DonL> farruinn,  I'll take that into consideration!
[04:20] <farruinn> DonL: the default qt theme is UGLY, but if you get the kcontrol package or something like that you can change the theme
[04:20] <Quest-Master> DonL: Gnome > KDE, but KDE apps > Gnome apps overall sadly.
[04:20] <lexhider> Here's my drama, just installed Ubuntu and want to boot XP, commented out windows bit in menu.lst (yes XP partition is hda1) and I get: "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" if I try to boot it.
[04:20] <lexhider> Is there a solution or is lilo available.
[04:22] <wm_eddie> Hey, is there a way I can mount an NTFS partition RW?
[04:22] <scoon> samba anyone ?
[04:22] <DonL> lexhider, in the past I've always installed windows first. I don't think it likes linux partitions
[04:22] <lexhider> DonL: windows was installed 1st.
[04:22] <DonL> ahh
[04:22] <wm_eddie> Windows's setup doesn't even concider that you have another OS installed.
[04:23] <DonL> wm_eddie, yeah. That's true
[04:23] <wm_eddie> Damn, I don't think RW NTFS support is even in the Ubuntu kernel...
[04:23] <DonL> It's been a long time since I dual booted though
[04:24] <wm_eddie> DonL: I've always had bad luck dual-booting... so I have two harddrives :)
[04:24] <lexhider> wm_eddie: there's no mature rw support for ntfs, fat32 does have it though.
[04:24] <DonL> me too. But I have a Linux distro on both
[04:24] <wm_eddie> lexhider: Damn, but Mandrake had it....
[04:24] <wm_eddie> my roommate is going to be pissed....
[04:25] <DonL> If mandrake had it, it must be available to us
[04:25] <wm_eddie> DonL: I'm not sure if it's experimental or not (NTFS RW support)
[04:25] <DonL> Could be, wm_eddie
[04:26] <farruinn> if mandrake had it we'd have it, but since we don't have it mandrake didn't have it =)
[04:26] <farruinn> probably was experimental
[04:26] <DonL> This is only week one with Ubuntu, for me, and I must say I'm lovin' it
[04:26] <DonL> After three years of Mandrake and one of Fedora
[04:26] <wm_eddie> I'm loving it too... but it's lacking on some really little things...
[04:27] <wm_eddie> I can't wait for Hoary
[04:27] <farruinn> yes, hoary will be nice
[04:27] <DonL> I've found the unofficial faq pages extremely informative.
[04:28] <DonL> and the extra repositories
[04:28] <burnez> moin!
[04:28] <DonL> less
[04:28] <lexhider> as far as I can tell, it appears there are no lilo debs for amd64-ubuntu
[04:29] <burnez> does anybody know this message "sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()
[04:29] <burnez> "
[04:29] <jonmasters> what is saying that?
[04:29] <DonL> no, sorry, bur
[04:29] <burnez> my gnome-desktop starts with a message that it would not run propperly because of the above
[04:30] <burnez> the bash, e.g. when i try to do apt-get update or somethin else
[04:30] <jonmasters> somewhere there's a missing hostname - what did you change?
[04:30] <burnez> nothing, i tried to set up an dsl-connection
[04:31] <DonL> during or after the install?
[04:31] <burnez> after the install.
[04:31] <jonmasters> Can you tell us what you did?
[04:32] <burnez> i started sudo ppoeconf and then i set up a connection.
[04:32] <burnez> pppoeconf
[04:32] <burnez> sorry
[04:32] <En3rgy> hey guys, any net install for ubuntu?
[04:32] <wm_eddie> burnez: you didn't tell the dsl-configuration program to set your computer's hostname according to the remote hostname or something... did you?
[04:32] <DonL> I'll have to ask here, because I don't know with this distro. Can you do a mock install after the fact so these things are picked up automatically?
[04:32] <burnez> hmm... difficult to say, germany here
[04:33] <burnez> one moment, plz
[04:34] <DonL> I was hooked up to ADSL when I did the install, and everything worked after. I didn't have to do anything
[04:34] <burnez> do you mean the ip of the dns-server?
[04:34] <jonmasters> night.
[04:35] <jonmasters> [gone]
[04:35] <socomm> burnez: Does your ISP offer pppoe?
[04:35] <burnez> yes
[04:35] <punkrockguy318> why are home directorys default a+rx permissions??
[04:35] <socomm> Did you set your hostname in /etc/hosts?
[04:35] <burnez> i used to use kanotix and everything worked this way
[04:36] <burnez> nop, one moment, will have a look
[04:36] <burnez> "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost DeBiAn-BoX localhost.localdomain
[04:36] <burnez> "
[04:37] <burnez> that's all
[04:37] <burnez> i really do not have a clue... :(
[04:37] <socomm> <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost.localdomain   localhost       eden
[04:37] <DonL> I'm off for now. Thanks for the help and the chat. Much friendlier in here than in other places I've been
[04:38] <socomm> That's what my /etc/hosts looks like.
[04:38] <socomm> Perhaps you've got your entries out of order.
[04:38] <burnez> hmm
[04:39] <burnez> but i did not do anything.. well at leat i must have told ubuntu to set the computer's name to debian-box
[04:39] <socomm> Yes.
[04:39] <burnez> 'k and now?
[04:39] <socomm> Run sudo pppoeconf.
[04:40] <burnez> i did - several times.
[04:40] <tavon> hello everybody~ I just got ubuntu installed and configured~
[04:40] <burnez> will do again......
[04:40] <socomm> Also try checking your wiring it may be loose.
[04:41] <burnez> no, i am online with ubuntu at the moment
[04:41] <tavon> is there a repository that has eclipse?
[04:41] <burnez> what is this gethostbyname?
[04:42] <socomm> burnez: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man3/gethostbyname.3.html
[04:43] <burnez> thx, will have a look
[04:43] <burnez> do i need: network-admin
[04:46] <burnez> guyz, it's getting late... thank you for your kindness. i will be back tomorrow, i guess..
[04:46] <burnez> thank you very much for the help so far!
[04:48] <farruinn> anyone know if there are any afp clients for linux?
[04:49] <farruinn> there's the server software, netatalk, but it doesn't look like that allows you to connect to a server
[05:08] <nictuku> is it planned to add preseed support into ubuntu's d-i?
[05:09] <Garathor> ....I am SO drunk.
[05:21] <neighborlee> I hope future versions of ubuntu dont assume wrongly that everyone has dsl/cable connections....( I presume thats the case because not even setserial or wvdial installs during default setup!!)
[05:22] <nictuku> really? I installed it today and I'm almost sure I saw it installing wvdial.
[05:22] <neighborlee> was trying to setup my friend with ubuntu and i'm screwed without being able to get to the internet
[05:23] <neighborlee> nope
[05:23] <neighborlee> I had to install it manually by connecting to internet via windows and downloading it to his thumb drive then back over to ubuntu
[05:23] <neighborlee> which was ok if not slopppy
[05:23] <neighborlee> but the main problem is that I guesss linux overall (  maybe just ubuntu I have NO idea  for sure ) is REally bad at 56 modem setup
[05:24] <neighborlee> one is a winmodem and while I thought id heard support for them is getting better..I didn't expect it to work period
[05:25] <nictuku> blame your hardware vendor :)
[05:25] <neighborlee> but the other two are seemingly well known modems that i'm surprised weren't detecting/setup better..one is intel with hayes chipset and the other is blaster modem with rockwell chipset I think..either way we need setserial apparantly to force it to setup right in linux ;(
[05:26] <neighborlee> no its not them entirely...its pretty lame when not even setserial */or wvdial is NOT part of a default linux install
[05:26] <neighborlee> one wonders how many 56k users have been turned off linux due to this problem
[05:27] <neighborlee> yes I went to brag on ubuntu and I"m slightly embarrased FOR it
[05:27] <neighborlee> even though im having no problems because I have dsl ...
[05:28] <neighborlee> not to mention I was getting a weird s cript error running network-admin for which I had to totally reinstall to fix
[05:28] <nictuku> you should also ask how many gigabytes one would have to fit in a CD to make everyone happy with a single cd distribution.
[05:28] <nictuku> file a bug then.
[05:28] <neighborlee> that is not the point nic
[05:28] <neighborlee> I will
[05:28] <neighborlee> trust me I will
[05:28] <nictuku> I believe you.
[05:29] <neighborlee> the point is why does linux assume no one is using 56k modems ?
[05:29] <nictuku> about the dial up, I somewhat agree with you, since I am a dial up user.
[05:29] <neighborlee> yeah ...
[05:29] <farruinn> neighborlee: we have to keep in mind that this was the first release of this distro in in a word it is _amazing_
[05:29] <neighborlee> I dont understand the rational
[05:30] <farruinn> think about it, it will only get _better_ in the future
[05:30] <neighborlee> farruinn, I def. can't disagree with that6
[05:30] <neighborlee> that
[05:30] <nictuku> ubuntu is great.
[05:30] <neighborlee> farruinn, is the 56 modem support a known issue  then?
[05:30] <farruinn> I dunno, I have cable here
[05:30] <neighborlee> I just wasn't 'prepared' to be embarrased like that is sall
[05:30] <neighborlee> all
[05:31] <neighborlee> ic
[05:31] <farruinn> winmodems you can't expect much from
[05:31] <ironwolf> in squirrelmail, /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf doesn't seem to be the active config... any clue where the active apache.conf is?
[05:31] <neighborlee> I did not expect much at all from his winmodem
[05:31] <neighborlee> but the other two shrug no idea for sure
[05:31] <lukins> has anyone been able to delete a cdrw?
[05:31] <neighborlee> and I told him that...although He basically understood anyway
[05:31] <neighborlee> lukins, delete ???
[05:32] <neighborlee> you mean erase I presume
[05:32] <lukins> i tried cdrecord blank=fast, but didn't work
[05:34] <neighborlee> what error
[05:34] <lukins> Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a34 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jrg Schilling
[05:34] <lukins> NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord
[05:34] <lukins>       and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version.
[05:34] <lukins>       Please send bug reports and support requests to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:34] <lukins>       The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version.
[05:34] <lukins> scsidev: '1,5,0'
[05:34] <lukins> scsibus: 1 target: 5 lun: 0
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord:
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc
[05:34] <lukins> cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup .
[05:34] <lukins> lukins@Ubuntu:~ $
[05:35] <neighborlee> lukins, next time Please do not post in here when its that many lines
[05:35] <neighborlee> lukins, causes the natives to get grouchy <G>
[05:35] <neighborlee> anyway
[05:35] <lukins> you asked
[05:35] <neighborlee> and I informed
[05:35] <neighborlee> either way lets try to ascertain your issue
[05:36] <neighborlee> oh taht
[05:36] <neighborlee> that
[05:36] <neighborlee> I think its the way your using cdrecord because in the new kernel it requires a different syntax
[05:36] <neighborlee> anyone remember ?..if not I can look it up real quick ( as I dont remember myself offhand )
[05:37] <neighborlee> lukins, or you can use : xcdroast
[05:37] <neighborlee> or k3b if you'd rather
[05:37] <lukins> I'll try that.. have heard of it, but didn't know it was available on ubuntu
[05:38] <neighborlee> oh ok
[05:38] <neighborlee> grab it via synaptic
[05:38] <lukins> downloading now,thanks
[05:39] <neighborlee> lukins, you do know you can start synaptic via the  menu right ?
[05:39] <neighborlee> it/is
[05:40] <lukins> neighborlee, you are helpful but condescending
[05:41] <neighborlee> lukins, I phrased everything in such a way to avoid being condescending
[05:41] <neighborlee> damn
[05:42] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: too late - but you weren't condescending at all, as far as I can see
[05:42] <neighborlee> I didnt think I was no..:(
[05:42] <neighborlee> thx
[05:42] <thoreauputic> lukins was a little oversensitive, methinks :)
[05:42] <neighborlee> prob. yeah
[05:43] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, btw I might seeem hypersensitive myself but I was a bit surprised that ubuntu doesn't install setserial and wvdial as default ;-))
[05:43] <bluefoxicy> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JohnMoser  Up through USN #40-
[05:43] <bluefoxicy> 40-1
[05:43] <neighborlee> OR it got missed during install if it wasn't detecting the modem right ?
[05:44] <neighborlee> I am WAY out of touch using setserial..can someone give me a quick primer on its usage to get my friends modem to detect ?LOL
[05:44] <thoreauputic> dialup users are apparently regarded as strange throwbacks to the middle ages ;(
[05:44] <neighborlee> I used to know but im VERY rusty with it
[05:44] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, LOL that my take yes..sad but true prob.
[05:44] <pauladawn> Hi, new to Ubantu
[05:45] <neighborlee> pauladawn, hi welcome!!
[05:45] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: get your friend to run pppconfig as root
[05:45] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, ok
[05:45] <pauladawn> I have always used Windows and i thought this would be something new to try
[05:45] <thoreauputic> if it's a hardware external modem, pppconfig should find it
[05:46] <neighborlee> pauladawn, your in the right place ;-)
[05:46] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, its internal
[05:46] <pauladawn> Getting a little disgusted by Windows
[05:46] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: ah - a winmodem?
[05:46] <pauladawn> So far this is neat, going to take a little getting used to though
[05:46] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: you're in good company then ;)
[05:46] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, he has three..one is winmodem which I told him to  totally disregard fo rnow LOL..the other is blaster modem with rockwell chipset and other is intel with hayes chipset
[05:47] <pauladawn> Something to figure out while I am getting bored over the holidays
[05:47] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: easiest to run pppconfig first and see which one works then (if any)
[05:47] <pauladawn> Schools out for awhile
[05:47] <neighborlee> pauladawn, yeah it will but once there you'll love it..I cherrish every moment i'm here cause I no i'm safe from memory hogging virus scanners/firewalls and lord knows ubuntu runs very smoothly
[05:48] <neighborlee> pauladawn, heh
[05:48] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, ok sounds good
[05:48] <pauladawn> Ya so far it is so fast and smooth.
[05:48] <neighborlee> :)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: tip: head straight for ubuntulinux.org and read the FAQ, then look at the docs and the wiki
[05:48] <neighborlee> yeah
[05:48] <pauladawn> Ya I will, I just got this installed tonite
[05:48] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:49] <neighborlee> pauladawn, dual setup or one Hardrive for each OS ?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> welcome to the open source community :)
[05:49] <neighborlee> yeah really ;-))
[05:49] <pauladawn> I am in computer tech at school but they don't teach us any Linux
[05:49] <neighborlee> hmmmm
[05:49] <neighborlee> shame
[05:49] <pauladawn> Wonder why that is????
[05:49] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: they need a clue ?
[05:49] <neighborlee> lol
[05:50] <pauladawn> Maybe microsoft is supplying the computers?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: they are in the pockets of MS?
[05:50] <pauladawn> LOL
[05:50] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: exactly
[05:50] <neighborlee> hey yeah I was going to say..might be the MS thingee too <G>
[05:50] <pauladawn> So far I really like this
[05:51] <neighborlee> :)
[05:51] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: you can bring down a windows box in about 5 seconds flat using a live linux CD - scary
[05:51] <pauladawn> Well I know where to go if I have any questions, I've got to go and check this out some more.
[05:51] <thoreauputic> pauladawn: I'm not recommending the above, BTW ;)
[05:51] <thoreauputic> well, another quick visit...
[05:56] <neighborlee> lol
[05:57] <neighborlee> gotta run ...back to friends to try to get him online <
[06:08] <En3rgy> Is there any OpenGL support on Ubuntu for ATI Radeon 9700??
[06:09] <snerfu> Hmmm i should think so
[06:09] <snerfu> mesa maybe
[06:10] <En3rgy> well, i'm writing programs with OpenGL, so need direct rendering on Ubuntu..
[06:11] <snerfu> damn
[06:12] <Samchi> is there an update for the fglrx driver for kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-14????
[06:13] <tha_gm> is there a channel for unbuntu+ppc?
[06:13] <Samchi> ls
[06:14] <Samchi> allo?
[06:14] <En3rgy> Samchi, i really don't know.. my FC3 partition is still not up and running because of the fglrx driver..
[06:14] <En3rgy> As far as i know, the rpm is not out..
[06:15] <En3rgy> but i'm new to the deb realm..
[06:15] <Samchi> I thought this was a ubuntu channel?
[06:15] <En3rgy> might still need ATI to release the newer driver first..
[06:16] <tha_gm> but usually the separate the channels based on distro and processor
[06:16] <Samchi> see I don't see how since it worked with kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-13 and since they updated to the point release I just get a black screen
[06:17] <seth_> i think i'm going to make a wallpaper for ubuntu
[06:17] <seth_> "I love my OS"
[06:17] <seth_> hmm
[06:17] <seth_> "I love my Ubuntu"
[06:17] <seth_> nice
[06:18] <En3rgy> have u do a fglrx-config samchi??
[06:18] <Se7h> o.0
[06:19] <Samchi> ok I'll try that but I will have to reboot to reload the fglrx
[06:29] <melazyboy> has fglrx been fixed to work with xorg yet?
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> ok
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> on the wiki
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> I want a bullet with 2 paragraphs
[06:31] <bluefoxicy> how the hell?
[06:32] <melazyboy> En3rgy: Are you using hoary or woody (xfree/xorg)?
[06:32] <crimsun> melazyboy: not that I'm aware
[06:33] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: probably better practice to separate the paragraphs into separate bullets
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> crimsun: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JohnMoser
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  those were intended to be paragraphs  o.o
[06:37] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: which?
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> "Somewhere between 40% and 67.5% of vulnerabilities can definitely be stopped before they're known. Thus, 40-67.5% of zero-day exploits can be prevented."  <-- guarantee  :)
[06:38] <crimsun> under "Analysis?"
[06:38] <bluefoxicy> crimsun: yes
[06:38] <En3rgy> i'm using warty
[06:38] <En3rgy> Warty works on my desktop.. but not on my laptop tho.
[06:39] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: are you using an asterisk to denote a bullet?
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  yeah
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> the second level ones are just double indented
[06:39] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: the second paragraph should not have an asterisk
[06:39] <crimsun> just white space separation, if any
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> if I remove the asterisk and use the same indentation, it runs together.
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> i.e. it puts no newline
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> if I put one more space for indentation, it bullets it.
[06:40] <haffe> Hmmm, anyone here managed to get the coaxoutput of an nforce2 working with alsa?
[06:40] <crimsun> and you specified moin markup as the type, correct?
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> yes
[06:40] <crimsun> hmph.
[06:41] <crimsun> haffe: it works on the chipsets that support it
[06:41] <crimsun> (e.g., have the actual hardware)
[06:41] <haffe> Ok, I never managed to get it working.
[06:42] <crimsun> haffe: read the intel8x0 page on the alsa wiki
[06:44] <haffe> crimsun, Been there, done that :D
[06:44] <crimsun> then you should probably be asking in #alsa
[06:49] <snowball> Does anyone know if there is a way to install ubuntu from another partition or from a network instead of from the CD?  My CD-ROM drive doesn't work in the computer I want to install to.
[06:49] <crimsun> haffe: ...or you could just sit here and not give more details.
[06:50] <haffe> crimsun, I don't have linux installed at the moment, I wanted to know if it worked at all, or if I should simply give up.
[06:51] <crimsun> haffe: yes, it does work for the hardware that supports it
[06:51] <haffe> Ok, I'll have to figure it out then.
[07:06] <Fergi> hi all, i'm a beginner, and asking for your help. I installed Ubuntu in my notebook, dual booting with XP, at this moment, I need some documents reside in FAT32 partition, would you like to tell me how could I get  those documents from Ubuntu. Thx in advance
[07:06] <Psiconauta> you have to mount your disks....
[07:07] <Psiconauta> http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[07:07] <Fergi> ok, thx, going to read them by now
[07:08] <Psiconauta> ;)
[07:08] <Psiconauta> it's easy, don't worry
[07:10] <Tarcastil> what's better for a desktop? debian unstable or ubuntu?
[07:10] <Se7h> FINALY
[07:10] <Se7h> azureus running
[07:10] <Se7h> lol
[07:11] <Fergi> Hi Psiconauta: I add this line to mtab, /dev/hda1 / FAT32 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0, is that OK?
[07:12] <nictuku> no
[07:12] <crimsun> 'afternoon jdub
[07:12] <nictuku> the second argument, "/", should not be that.
[07:12] <nictuku> and it's not mtab, it's fstab
[07:12] <Fergi> oh
[07:12] <Fergi> oke
[07:22] <Fergi> hi all, about mounting, I added this line /dev/hda1 /mnt/XP1 vfat rw 0 0
[07:23] <melazyboy> that will not work
[07:23] <invist> hey all, I'm running hoary and gnome-panel seems to be broken because of python2.4 ... anyone else experiencing this?
[07:24] <Fergi> it works with a message "Perhaps there is a stale lock file", what is that mean?
[07:24] <melazyboy> Fergi: not sure, but it won't allow you to write on it
[07:24] <Fergi> I see
[07:24] <Fergi> so only read?
[07:24] <melazyboy> unless you include umask=000,fmask=000,dmask=000
[07:25] <melazyboy> those are all options
[07:27] <Fergi> ok, tx melazyboy
[07:33] <neighborlee> kewl it looks like the lt winmodem my friend has is indeed suppported in linux since 2001..so ill go to his home tomorrow and try again ;-)
[07:34] <thully> Hi - does anybody know how to add to a multisession in Ubuntu using Nautilus?
[07:34] <thully> multisession CD-R
[07:34] <Tomcat_> thully: I doubt it's possible... it has very few options.
[07:35] <Tomcat_> I know how to burn files directly and yesterday I found out how to write ISOs... but I don't think Nautilus can do more.
[07:35] <Tomcat_> You'll probably need cdrecord or k3b for that...
[07:35] <thully> This should be a priority to add in the next version - I really don't like the thought of downloading k3b on dial-up
[07:36] <Tomcat_> Well you're free to make the priority public by reporting it in the Ubuntu Bugzilla or directly in the Gnome Bugzilla. :o
[07:36] <thully> OK - I'll do that - I've done so for other things like this where Ubuntu is lacking
[07:37] <Tomcat_> Good. :]
[07:37] <Tomcat_> I'd like that too... so far I don't need any burner except Nautilus - and if it has more features, all the better.
[07:38] <Tomcat_> No bugs like that for Gnome. :o
[07:38] <thully> So, you don't add any files to CDs?
[07:38] <Tomcat_> Currently no.
[07:38] <Tomcat_> I always fill them up, and that's very easy on my disks. :)
[07:39] <|QuaD|> weird... i am running a dual monitor hoary system... i alsways have totem-xine playing movies on 1 monitor... but it won't play them today, plays sound but gives a blue screen.. tried on onther monitor it works fine
[07:39] <|QuaD|> any suggestions
[07:39] <Tomcat_> But if I wanted to add files, I'd probably do it on a DVD backup... and the DVD burner is in a Windows PC anyway.
[07:39] <Tomcat_> |QuaD|: X/overlay problem... no further ideas though.
[07:39] <invist> anyone running ubuntu on ppc?
[07:40] <|QuaD|> Tomcat_: thanks :) looks like i gotta restart xserver then
[07:40] <Tomcat_> |QuaD|: It's the same when you watch xine over VNC...
[07:40] <|QuaD|> Tomcat_: it has always worked though
[07:40] <Tomcat_> You didn't restart it already? :>
[07:40] <|QuaD|> which is werid
[07:40] <|QuaD|> nope ;)
[07:40] <|QuaD|> was waiting
[07:40] <Tomcat_> Yeah...
[07:40] <Tomcat_> I guess that's my Windows attitude... "to fix it, reboot" :o
[07:40] <|QuaD|> i shold update hoary while i am at it ;)
[07:41] <invist> good luck with that... updating hoary today broke gnome for me
[07:41] <|QuaD|> really? why
[07:41] <Tomcat_> I'm not sure how current graphics cards work, but I believe you need to choose a monitor for overlay (video)...
[07:41] <invist> python2.4 was just introduced into hoary, i don
[07:41] <invist> I don't think all packages have updated dependencies yet
[07:42] <|QuaD|> Tomcat_: not true
[07:42] <|QuaD|> i can normally run it on either (or both)
[07:42] <Tomcat_> Mh... good to know.
[07:42] <Tomcat_> As I said, I don't know... I can only cite the problems we always had in Windows and Linux using a second monitor. :>
[07:42] <Tomcat_> But I guess it depends on the graphics card, and if yours could do dual monitor overlay, it should continue to do so. :)
[07:43] <thully> out of curiosity - how do you fix hoary if it breaks on a dist-upgrade?
[07:44] <|QuaD|> thully: depends how it breaks
[07:44] <invist> for me it's been doing apt-get -f install plus manually running dpkg -i on packages
[07:45] <|QuaD|> invist: it depends what breaks
[07:45] <|QuaD|> apt-get -f is bad
[07:45] <paulproteus> |QuaD|: apt-get is for --fix-missing.
[07:46] <paulproteus> -f is a wonderful feature.  It's not "force", it's "fix".
[07:46] <|QuaD|> yyeah
[07:46] <|QuaD|> wait
[07:46] <|QuaD|> i thought it was force
[07:46] <invist> anyone got any idea how to get gnome-panel to behave nicely with python2.4?
[07:46] <invist> -f is fix-missing
[07:46] <thully> does major breakage occur much?
[07:47] <invist> anytime something major gets updated you can expect something to break
[07:48] <thully> major things, like GNOME X, or login?
[07:48] <invist> or python which broke my box today
[07:48] <paulproteus> |QuaD|: You must come from RPMland, where people use "rpm -f" and trash their systems.
[07:49] <thully> Is it safe to just use warty and install selected hoary packages?
[07:49] <invist> i wouldn't mix the 2
[07:49] <|QuaD|> :)
[07:49] <thully> because major breakage (in GNOME, X, or Login) scares me
[07:49] <zenwhen> thully, it works fine.
[07:49] <zenwhen> Check out the wiki article on apt pinning.
[07:50] <thully> I wouldn't sweat if more minor things broke, but I really don't want major things breaking very often
[07:50] <thully> However, there are a few things in hoary I just have to have - especially software suspend
[07:52] <thully> If you use Hoary, is it good or bad to dist-upgrade often (like once a day)?
[07:53] <calc> thully: watch to make sure it doesn't uninstall things
[07:53] <calc> i've been holding off due to the python update
[07:54] <invist> anyone know if 1280x854 is a supported resolution under x.org
[07:54] <invist> ?
[07:54] <MyMimi> hello
[07:55] <hazmat> invist, dunno about x.org.. but its supported on xfree.. so i would assume yes.
[07:55] <invist> hazmat: k, thanks
[07:55] <thully> what is a good amount of time between dist-upgrades on hoary?  If you aren't up-to-date and install a package from hoary, is it bad for the system?
[07:56] <MyMimi> anyone want to visit with a newbie?  I have Ubuntu running on my inspiron 5150 with only a few errors
[07:58] <|QuaD|> looks like gnome-panel-data failed
[08:00] <MyMimi> hello any mentors for hire?
[08:01] <MyMimi> I'll trade help for yummy recipes
[08:01] <calc> MyMimi: just ask the question someone may help
[08:02] <MyMimi> ok
[08:03] <|QuaD|> time for the reboot :)
[08:03] <|QuaD|> lets see if x boots
[08:04] <MyMimi> i get several mod probe errors (pci related i think) at startup, also my wireless network card show as a device but does not seem to work or be configured.
[08:09] <monoxide222> hi everyone, is there anything avtually in the ubuntu-base apt package or is it just to hold together everything that is included as part of the ubuntu base system?
[08:09] <billytwowilly> hold together
[08:09] <paulproteus> monoxide222: The second one.
[08:09] <billytwowilly> Don't get rid of it.
[08:09] <paulproteus> It's called a 'meta-package'.
[08:10] <paulproteus> If you install things like totem-xine that conflict with things in ubuntu-desktop, you should be fine.  But if you try to remove things from ubuntu-base, you're modifying the core software.  So do it only if you know what you're doing, or if someone who *really* knows what you're doing thinks it's a good idea.
[08:13] <mrpollock> :(
[08:13] <monoxide222> just that i am having alot of troubles with sound working on my ubuntu install, and the one thing that is working, is working through oss, so i thought maybe alsa and oss were conflicting somehow
[08:14] <monoxide222> and i was thinking that maybe if removed alsa it would work?
[08:15] <FlaminMoe> anyone willing to give a total n00b some help with ubuntu?
[08:15] <mrpollock> Total n00b here too! :)
[08:16] <paulproteus> FlaminMoe: Depends.  Maybe if you ask a question, we'll answer it. ;)
[08:16] <FlaminMoe> i'm running ubunta via the gnoppix cd
[08:16] <FlaminMoe> i need to change the screen res to 1280x1024 .. but it only goes up to 1024x768
[08:18] <mrpollock> Your video card supports 1280x1024?
[08:19] <mrpollock> I guess it's possible that the driver (?) that is being used may not support that resolution...
[08:19] <FlaminMoe> yep .. it's a gforce4 ultra
[08:19] <FlaminMoe> i see. .. so i need to install udpated nvidia drivers perhaps
[08:19] <mrpollock> Might be worth a try
[08:20] <FlaminMoe> ok .. so .. my second question is....
[08:20] <FlaminMoe> i need to be root to install drivers ... so how do i login as root? what would be the default password?
[08:20] <paulproteus> The 'nv' driver will, with very high likelihood, support all the resolutions of an NVidia card.
[08:20] <paulproteus> FlaminMoe: sudo , not su.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:21] <monoxide222> the thing with removing alsa is that 2 things depend on it, ubuntu-base and gdm. i figure i can replace gdm with xdm, but i was wondering about ubuntu-base. do you guys think that this would be ok? or that iv got the wrong problem?
[08:21] <monoxide222> damned net-splits...
[08:22] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Yeah, you "should" be fine.
[08:23] <paulproteus> ubuntu-base is just a metapackage.
[08:23] <paulproteus> But I think you're going down the slope toward insanity by losing ALSA; I don't know if e.g. GNOME's mixer can use OSS instead.
[08:23] <paulproteus> So, by all means, find out; just remember what packages you lost so you can put them back if you need to. (-:
[08:23] <monoxide222> lol.... alot of things "should" happen....
[08:23] <monoxide222> now to find xdm...
[08:24] <monoxide222> the mixer shows OSS atm
[08:25] <paulproteus> Okay.  Losing ubuntu-base won't hurt you; it contains no files.  Just remember that you can always install it to get back to, well, the base Ubuntu system if you get lost.
[08:26] <|QuaD-> the nvidia drivers are built for which kernel?
[08:26] <|QuaD-> i am having trouble figuring it out after my ugrade
[08:26] <crimsun> `uname -r`
[08:26] <crimsun> there are ones built for current in warty-security and in hoary
[08:26] <|QuaD-> no, what are the nvidia drivers built for inhoary
[08:27] <crimsun> 2.6.9
[08:27] <|QuaD-> cuz i am trying on 2.6.9-1-686 and no luck
[08:27] <|QuaD-> any suggestions?
[08:28] <|QuaD-> brb
[08:29] <monoxide222> anyone know where i can apt-get xdm from? because it is not on any of the ubuntu sources (they use gdm instead)
[08:29] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Is it in Universe?
[08:30] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Looks to be in Universe from where I sit.
[08:30] <|QuaD-> so any ideas why i am having trouble initializing nvidia modules?
[08:30] <crimsun> error messages help. Use paste.plone.org
[08:31] <monoxide222> i dont think i have the universe sources added...
[08:31] <netsplit> Does anyone know why I'd get "LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library" no such file or directory error when I start firefox with .mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so?
[08:31] <monoxide222> what are they?
[08:32] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Here you go: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[08:32] <|QuaD-> crimsun: http://www.slovin.us/xorg.log
[08:32] <paulproteus> They're Ubuntu's frozen sid, if you know what I'm talking about, monoxide222.
[08:32] <monoxide222> no...
[08:33] <BlacKnight|> hello hello
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> i'm having trouble getting my digital camera to work
[08:34] <paulproteus> monoxide222: Ah.  Then read the Wiki link I gave you.
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> i've installed gtkam and libgphoto2
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> but neither gphoto2 nor gtkam will autodetect my camera
[08:34] <paulproteus> That's sad.  BlacKnight|: Is it a USB camera?
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> tail -f /var/log/messages doesn't reveal anything
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> yep
[08:34] <paulproteus> If so, can you paste the output of 'lsusb' once it's plugged into the computer?
[08:34] <BlacKnight|> canon ixus v3
[08:34] <paulproteus> And, also, is the camera on? :)
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 058f:9310 Alcor Micro Corp.
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> the camera's on, plugged in
[08:35] <Seq> BlacKnight|: does your camera support changing the data transfer type?
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> 001/002 is the sd card...
[08:35] <monoxide222> i did. thanks paulproteus
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> (different device
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> )
[08:35] <BlacKnight|> Seq: only to ptp
[08:36] <Seq> BlacKnight|: from what?
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> 'normal'
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> it worked fine in mandrake
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> but it seems ubuntu isn't even recognising it
[08:36] <Seq> BlacKnight|: 'normal' is probably just usb removable storage, then, im assuming
[08:36] <BlacKnight|> no, i don't htink it is
[08:36] <|QuaD-> should i have "load GLcore" and "load xtt" in my xorg config for nvidia drivers?
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> ok i just disconnected my sd card reader...
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> and when i reconnected it, it didn't initialise
[08:37] <roo9> I would simply like to say that you have created one kick-ass linux distro.
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> which means there's something wrong with hotplug?
[08:37] <BlacKnight|> jbroome: i agree, it's quite nice
[08:39] <roo9> does anyone have any experience with the acx100 wireless cards? specifically the ACX111
[08:39] <BlacKnight|> oops
[08:39] <BlacKnight|> roo9: i agree rather
[08:39] <roo9> "acx100_reset_dev: Failed to upload firmware to the ACX111"
[08:39] <paulproteus> roo9: I have one in my (Debian) desktop.
[08:40] <paulproteus> acx111.sf.net will, as I recall, provide you terse instructions for getting firmware.
[08:40] <roo9> paulproteus: a 111? I would at least like someone to tell me they have gotten it to work, so i know it's possible
[08:40] <kuru> wtf? nothing works with this ubuntu thing
[08:40] <roo9> paulproteus: all the docs seem to be tied into the wiki, which seem to be crashed atm
[08:40] <kuru> firefox crashes when i submit a button
[08:40] <|QuaD-> crimsun: do oyu have any clues as to whats wrong with my xorg?
[08:41] <kuru> evolution crashes when i want to attach a file
[08:41] <kuru> ???
[08:41] <kuru> i don't wanna spend a whole other day re-configuring this system
[08:41] <roo9> kuru, what version are you using? is it warty or a preview release?
[08:41] <kuru> warty
[08:42] <roo9> kuru, no such problems here. I just did a brand-new install, no such issues remotely, I have not even needed to configure anything
[08:42] <kuru> well, I can't send a freaking email
[08:42] <roo9> paulproteus: do you know where on the filesystem the firmware is suppsed to reside?
[08:42] <paulproteus> /usr/lib/hotplug slash something-or-other
[08:43] <paulproteus> kuru: First thing, I suggest you run the memory tester that Ubuntu comes with.
[08:43] <roo9> how about /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware ....
[08:43] <paulproteus> roo9: Sounds right to me.
[08:44] <BlacKnight|> so any ideas with my camera problem?
[08:44] <roo9> paulproteus, the nicest thing about ubuntu : I have been using linux for a LONG time... and I don't feel constrained by the improvements you have made, as opposed to Mandrake or it's ilk
[08:45] <paulproteus> roo9: Don't compliment me, I'm just a Debian power-user who decided he wanted to spend less time mucking with his system and more time using it. :)
[08:45] <paulproteus> Though, I agree, that's part of what makes Ubuntu good.
[08:47] <|QuaD-> so does ANYONE know whats wrongwith the nvidia drivers in hoary?
[08:49] <roo9> paulproteus, i meant you in the plural sense.... I am also a debian user... though I turned to mac os x for my laptop for exactly that reason
[08:49] <|QuaD-> do i need to install restricted modules for nvidia drivers?
[08:50] <paulproteus> roo9: Ah, I see. :)
[08:50] <miggumike> anyone use ubuntuppc?
[08:50] <paulproteus> miggumike: Right here.
[08:51] <miggumike> paul i installed kde 3.3 and i wanted to know what i should to get my keyboard buttons work
[08:51] <miggumike> the volume and brightness buttons on my laptop, that is
[08:51] <paulproteus> Ah.  Those should be handled by pbbuttonsd automatically.
[08:51] <paulproteus> That's taken-care-of underneath the GUI layer.  Those should even work on the console.
[08:52] <BlacKnight|> is there a hardware detection daemon or osmething?
[08:52] <paulproteus> Try installing powerprefs to configure that.
[08:52] <paulproteus> Step 1: install powerprefs
[08:52] <paulproteus> Step 2: run
[08:52] <paulproteus> $sudo powerprefs
[08:52] <paulproteus> Step 3: tinker
[08:52] <BlacKnight|> E: Couldn't find package powerprefs
[08:53] <miggumike> paulproteus may i msg you?
[08:53] <miggumike> nm
[08:54] <ferris> how can i change the root password?
[08:54] <paulproteus> BlacKnight|: You may need to enable Universe to get powerprefs.
[08:54] <BlacKnight|> was that powerprefs for me anyway?
[08:54] <paulproteus> ferris: By default there is no root password.  The root account is locked.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:54] <BlacKnight|> and i have enabled univers
[08:54] <BlacKnight|> e
[08:54] <paulproteus> BlacKnight|: It's for whoever wants to configure the buttons on an Apple laptop.
[08:54] <paulproteus> paulproteus@baroque:~ $ apt-cache search powerprefs
[08:54] <paulproteus> powerprefs - Client to configure pbbuttonsd
[08:54] <Seq> BlacKnight|: udevd handles that i think, and it calls hotplug or something
[08:55] <roo9> paulproteus, i
[08:55] <roo9> paulproteus, i'm still getting the failed to upload firmware error..... do you know where it might dump a more useful error?
[08:56] <Seq> anybody using prism54 based wifi card getting firmware resets on a fairly random basis?
[08:56] <paulproteus> roo9: Afraid not.
[08:56] <kuru> hrmm... a reboot sorted things out
[08:56] <miggumike> paulproteus; i don't see anything...
[08:56] <kuru> i guess there were some updates to the system that required a reboot
[08:56] <kuru> very odd
[08:56] <kuru> it should have said something
[08:56] <paulproteus> But as this is a general Linux+acx111 question, not an Ubuntu-specific one, I can only advise either reading the mailing list, or asking in an acx111-relevant forum.
[08:57] <roo9> paulproteus, it's /lib/hotplug/firmware not /usr/lib
[08:58] <paulproteus> roo9: Really?  Are you sure?
[08:58] <paulproteus> I mean, okay.
[08:58] <roo9> paulproteus: yes
[08:58] <paulproteus> :)
[08:58] <roo9> at least over here anyway
[08:58] <paulproteus> Is that changing things at all?
[08:59] <roo9> paulproteus, yes, now I get a different error
[08:59] <roo9> which is progress anyway
[08:59] <roo9> acx100_issue_cmd failed: Invalid parameter [1250 uSec]  Cmd: Ah, Result: Eh
[08:59] <roo9> cb =0x1AE
[08:59] <calc> paulproteus: haven't seen you around in a while
[09:00] <kuru> no arabic fonts?
[09:01] <paulproteus> roo9: rofl!
[09:02] <paulproteus> "Ah, eh"...
[09:02] <paulproteus> Sorry, I guess that isn't funny.
[09:02] <paulproteus> roo9: Keep in mind that, if you like, you can use ndiswrapper ("ndis warper") to make this work.
[09:02] <paulproteus> calc: Just a few weeks as finals happened.
[09:02] <miggumike> paul: i don't see the options
[09:03] <miggumike> i just see things for the illuminated keyboard.
[09:03] <gsuveg> how can i install blender, gkrellm, gqview ?
[09:03] <paulproteus> miggumike: There's buttons on the left, as I recall, that show you categories of options.
[09:03] <kuru> what would I have to do to get ttf-arabeyes deb pacakge (it's in testing) on ubuntu?
[09:03] <monoxide222> hmmm... somehow i dont think alsa is the way to go.... is there someone who can help me with my sound problems?
[09:03] <paulproteus> gsuveg: They're in "Universe".
[09:03] <calc> paulproteus: last time i recall seeing you was in #debian-kde probably years ago ;)
[09:03] <paulproteus> At least gqview is.
[09:03] <gsuveg> paulproteus: what is universe?
[09:03] <paulproteus> calc: Ah.  I've seen you around here once or twice.
[09:04] <gsuveg> paulproteus: show me url
[09:04] <paulproteus> gsuveg: Sorry to be terse, but read the FAQ entry on Universe, and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[09:04] <paulproteus> FAQ URL is in the topic of the channel.
[09:04] <calc> yea
[09:05] <gsuveg> paulproteus: thanks a lot
[09:05] <roo9> this is a nice error "Danger Will Robinson, MAC did not come back"
[09:05] <paulproteus> roo9: I'm laughing, and I can only hope it's *with* you. :)
[09:05] <gsuveg> i dont remember, what is the url of unoff. ubuntu faq ?
[09:05] <paulproteus> By the way, calc, if you have ideas on making GNOME look nicer than the boring (but passable) Ubuntu default, do say them. :)
[09:05] <roo9> and only 2 google hits on that... The source code && some german language page
[09:06] <paulproteus> gsuveg: Being unofficial, there's a few.  Check out the ubuntuforums.org .
[09:06] <calc> there are themes though of course
[09:06] <roo9> the real question is this, can I order a prisimII card online and have it shipped here faster than I can get this POS to work?
[09:06] <paulproteus> Right, none of which look much better.
[09:06] <paulproteus> Not that it's a really big deal for me; when I teach a class full of Windows expats to use Ubuntu, they'll nag me about it, I'm sure.
[09:06] <calc> there are some other engines as well but i haven't looked at them
[09:06] <gsuveg> paulproteus: thx. imwas read it on osnews.org or other, i dont remember.
[09:07] <gsuveg> paulproteus: now im plan to use ubuntu
[09:07] <calc> paulproteus: art.gnome.org for more themes
[09:08] <gsuveg> paulproteus: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:09] <roo9> paulproteus, I have gotten like 2 hours of sleep in the past ?week? I can't remember... so i'm too tired to laugh...
[09:09] <miggumike> paul: don't see it :/
[09:10] <paulproteus> roo9: Getting NDIS WARPER to work will probably not take more than fifteen minutes.
[09:10] <roo9> paulproteus, is it in ubuntu?
[09:11] <calc> getting wpa to work takes longer ;)
[09:11] <calc> since its not in ubuntu
[09:11] <paulproteus> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363 seems relevant, roo9
[09:12] <BlacKnight|> hrmm
[09:12] <BlacKnight|> could my camera problem have something to do with this:
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: Scanning system for PnP BIOS support...
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: Found PnP BIOS installation structure at 0xc00f5570
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: PnP BIOS version 1.0, entry 0xf0000:0x615a, dseg 0xf0000
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PNPBIOS fault.. attempting recovery.
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: Warning! Your PnP BIOS caused a fatal error. Attempting to continue
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: You may need to reboot with the "nobiospnp" option to operate stably
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: get_dev_node: unexpected status 0x28
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> PnPBIOS: 6 nodes reported by PnP BIOS; 6 recorded by driver
[09:13] <BlacKnight|> (sorry about pastage)
[09:13] <paulproteus> roo9: My policy is, "Thank me when it works."
[09:13] <paulproteus> roo9: I suppose that applies to hugs, too.
[09:13] <paulproteus> Actually, I'll take the hug, who am I kidding? :)
[09:13] <paulproteus> BlacKnight|: It's possible.
[09:13] <roo9> :-)
[09:13] <paulproteus> Try adding the nobiospnp option to your boot.
[09:14] <roo9> BlacKnight|, try rebooting with the nobiospnp
[09:14] <BlacKnight|> will that fix my camera?
[09:14] <roo9> BlacKnight|, only way to find out is to try
[09:14] <roo9> it's possible
[09:14] <BlacKnight|> where do i add the option?
[09:14] <BlacKnight|> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-686-smp.nodri root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash
[09:15] <BlacKnight|> to the end of that line?
[09:15] <roo9> BlacKnight|, or just type it on boot
[09:15] <BlacKnight|> will my option work?
[09:15] <aeruder> where half the deps and friends are broken?
[09:16] <paulproteus> Mostly the friends are broken, actually. ;)
[09:16] <aeruder> heh, figured
[09:16] <aeruder> i was making it work.. until i hit a brick wall with python2.4-gnome2
[09:16] <aeruder> or the lack thereof
[09:17] <aeruder> oh well... i'm happy that subversion 1.x is in now :)
[09:17] <crimsun> aeruder: everything is being transitioned to python2.4
[09:17] <aeruder> crimsun: i figured... just making sure that it was a known issue (it seemed to be since it was rather large dep problems)
[09:17] <crimsun> well, it _is_ Hoary :)
[09:18] <aeruder> yes... and i do know what i'm doing.. so... i'll just wait
[09:18] <roo9> paulproteus, which driver to use? the win2k, win98, winxp winme? AHHH DLL HELL!
[09:18] <aeruder> i was in the process of doing a lot of manual dpkg work, until i realized that a couple critical packages haven't made it in yet
[09:18] <aeruder> :)
[09:19] <paulproteus> roo9: lol.  WinXP.
[09:20] <roo9> ndiswrapper (ndis_init_one_pci:1458): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device
[09:20] <roo9> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
[09:21] <paulproteus> roo9: Yeah.  Um, that's sad.
[09:22] <roo9> :-(
[09:22] <cenerentola> anyone still alive after friday's night fever?
[09:26] <stuNNed_> cenerentola, fever? :)
[09:29] <Zotnix> I have a printer in the gnome printer manager that I can't remove.
[09:29] <Zotnix> it's not grabbing the correct location.  But i trust all my local users... me & me
[09:32] <roo9_> well
[09:32] <roo9_> 1 or two close friends have accounts
[09:33] <paulproteus> So long as you don't run a web server there, you'll be fine.
[09:33] <roo9_> yeah.... no webserver
[09:33] <crimsun> roo9_: 64-bit jiffies weren't merged until 2.6
[09:33] <roo9_> crimsun, 64-bit ?
[09:33] <paulproteus> roo9_: If you use NickServ, you can use the GHOST command.
[09:34] <roo9_> paulproteus, yeah....
[09:34] <paulproteus> I run TWiki on my webserver and had a pest break in through that.  I patched it immediately and kicked him off, but was thankful I wasn't running a r00t-vulnerable kernel.
[09:34] <crimsun> you roll over at 457 days otherwise.
[09:34] <roo9> crimsun, dunno
[09:34] <roo9> crimsun, it could be patched in this kernel...
[09:35] <calc> i thought they rolled after 45 days
[09:35] <roo9> i thought they fixed that in 2.4
[09:35] <calc> depends on HZ right?
[09:35] <calc> at HZ = 1024 it would roll in just over 45 days
[09:35] <crimsun> no 2.2 kernel has it, only 2.4.23+ has it, and only 2.6.x
[09:35] <roo9> that's bad
[09:35] <roo9> hrmmm
[09:35] <crimsun> (don't remember which 2.6)
[09:36] <roo9> i don't know
[09:36] <calc> thats also the reason (aiui) that old windows boxes died after 45 days
[09:36] <roo9> and i'm operating on <0 sleep so....
[09:36] <roo9> IE: what shut down boston-logan airport
[09:38] <roo9> if you have an @ in your password, how do you do ftp://user:pass@host/pwd form?
[09:38] <crimsun> you omit the :pass
[09:38] <crimsun> and let the application prompt you for the passwd
[09:38] <paulproteus> Or you escape it in some CRAZY way.
[09:38] <crimsun> or you can try escaping it
[09:39] <roo9> in hex most likely
[09:39] <roo9> like %xx
[09:39] <aeruder> try ftp://user:my%40pass@host
[09:40] <paulproteus> sweet, a free ftp account! ;)
[09:40] <roo9> no ncftp in ubuntu
[09:40] <roo9> quick, someone suggest a free replacement
[09:40] <paulproteus> lftp?
[09:40] <paulproteus> 'tis in Universe, roo9.
[09:41] <crimsun> yeah, 'universe'
[09:41] <roo9> what's universe?
[09:41] <crimsun> it's another software repo. See the wiki.
[09:41] <roo9> apt-get install ncftp
[09:41] <roo9> that's all I have used for like 5 years now
[09:41] <aeruder> roo9: ubuntu has so many 'supported' packages
[09:41] <paulproteus> See FAQ entry on Universe, and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[09:41] <snowball> Can anyone give me a tip on how to install ubuntu without a working CD-ROM?  I looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install but am having some problems getting it to work.
[09:41] <aeruder> but there is also a universal repository with about a baJILLION packages
[09:41] <aeruder> at least!
[09:41] <paulproteus> aeruder: Twice that by my count.
[09:42] <paulproteus> snowball: The easiest way is to install using another computer that has a working CD-ROM, or to borrow a CD-ROM.
[09:42] <aeruder> counts have ranged from an extra 20 clear up to a extra twenty-bajillion packages
[09:42] <stuNNed_> is mozilla-mplayer still borked in unstable?
[09:42] <paulproteus> Just put your hard drive in that machine, install, and return it to yours.
[09:42] <aeruder> its a difficult thing to count...
[09:42] <snowball> Er, it's a notebook of death.
[09:42] <paulproteus> snowball: Oh.
[09:42] <paulproteus> Yeah, I had one of those.
[09:42] <calc> probably around 12000 more
[09:42] <paulproteus> Okay, let me try harder, then. :)
[09:42] <aeruder> get a little laptop->ide adaptor
[09:43] <paulproteus> Oh, right.
[09:43] <aeruder> you can pick one up for less than 15 dollars
[09:43] <roo9> 2.5mb/s sustained with the wireless
[09:43] <paulproteus> snowball: The easiest way is to install a simple Woody setup and dist-upgrade to Ubuntu.
[09:43] <roo9> paulproteus: you can do that? that's cool.
[09:43] <calc> roo9: you can manage up to ~ 3MB/s if you turn on burst mode on your ap
[09:44] <paulproteus> If you're familiar with debootstrap, you can try doing that, too, snowball.
[09:44] <roo9> calc: i'm in a major urban center... not likely to happen... i'm only getting the speed I am now because it's 4am...
[09:44] <snowball> to paulproteus.  I'm running Knoppix right now, but I wanted to wipe it out and install ubuntu instead since  hear it is better.
[09:44] <roo9> calc: lower manhattan to be exact
[09:44] <paulproteus> snowball: It is better. ;)
[09:44] <roo9> 565191919 bytes transferred in 220 seconds (2.45M/s)
[09:44] <calc> roo9: oh
[09:44] <paulproteus> You could use debootstrap if you'd rather.
[09:45] <snowball> to paulproteus: I think last time I did some weird partitioning, copied the iso over and somehow got the iso to run after booting from a boot floppy.
[09:45] <roo9> calc: this computer was lucky if it got 1.0mb/s in windows
[09:45] <paulproteus> snowball: debootstrap is a program that simulates the Debian Installer by a series of shell scripts.
[09:45] <calc> heh
[09:45] <paulproteus> It's actually called by the real Ubuntu/Debian installer anyway.
[09:46] <paulproteus> snowball: Do you want to keep any config files?
[09:46] <paulproteus> And/or, do you want to keep any files at all?
[09:46] <snowball> Oh, ok.  I tried doing the thing it said in the network setup on the site.  I made the 3 disks, but the network disk didn't really work.
[09:46] <snowball> paulproteus: I can lose everything.  I don't care.
[09:47] <roo9> snowball: specifics, what errors did you recieve?
[09:47] <paulproteus> snowball: You know, to be honest, there's all sorts of TOTALLY RAD ways to do this install, but the easiest is to just use the Woody install floppies to install the most minimal-possible Woody.
[09:47] <paulproteus> Then set your sources.list to Ubuntu, and do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop .
[09:47] <paulproteus> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-woody has a tad more information.
[09:47] <snowball> Hmm.  That sounds pretty good.  I've done the apt-get install before.
[09:49] <snowball> roo9: It turns my network card lights on and then tells me to select my net card, but it isn't listed--though I think it started it since the dongle's lights are on and flashing (notebook).
[09:50] <roo9> snowball: pcmcia?
[09:50] <roo9> because, I have never done a sucessful pcmcia network install.... in 10 years of trying
[09:50] <snowball> paulproteus: Hmm.  Thanks.  I'll try that out.  That looks easier.  I could just do that from knoppix (installed on hdd)?
[09:50] <snowball> roo9: yes.
[09:50] <paulproteus> snowball: I urge you not to try this from Knoppix-on-HD.
[09:50] <roo9> snowball: probably not from knoppix...
[09:50] <snowball> oh.  Hmm.
[09:50] <paulproteus> It "may" work, but all the package customizations that Knoppix does will make it a great pain.
[09:51] <snowball> Ok.
[09:51] <paulproteus> There'll be package conflicts and files strewn across the system and a mess.
[09:51] <paulproteus> Or, let me rephrase:
[09:51] <paulproteus> If you gave me a day, I could make that work.
[09:51] <paulproteus> But I'd hate to.
[09:51] <paulproteus> Especially when going straight from Woody to Ubuntu Warty is so easy.
[09:52] <paulproteus> It's like any of these other methods (netboot, hacked-testing-floppy-install): It's possible but unnecessarily difficult.
[09:52] <paulproteus> If you want the learning experience, use one of those.
[09:52] <paulproteus> But the Knoppix-to-Ubuntu Warty upgrade will be an exercise in tedium much more than it will be instructive.
[09:52] <roo9> knoppix-> warty is probably impossible
[09:52] <paulproteus> roo9: Don't say "impossible".
[09:53] <paulproteus> I repeat my "could make it work over a full day" statement.
[09:53] <roo9> it's like sid->woody
[09:53] <paulproteus> roo9: lol. :)
[09:53] <roo9> it's not impossible... but why try
[09:53] <snowball> Yeah. I think I'll stay away from that.
[09:54] <roo9> it's just sheer lazyness
[09:54] <roo9> I was too lazy to burn potato && reinstall it
[09:54] <roo9> so I spent a week doing a sid->potato
[09:56] <Synek> hi all
[09:56] <roo9> hi Synek
[09:57] <Synek> sid>potato?
[09:57] <Synek> why? :)
[09:57] <nyktovus> how can i make ubuntu shut the machine down when i say "shut down" in the "computer" menu
[09:58] <nyktovus> it just lingers after its down unmounting etc
[09:58] <calc> nyktovus: does it print a acpi message on the screen ?
[09:59] <paulproteus> Or does it, perhaps, print "Power down" or "Power off"?
[10:03] <Gwildor> any idea why synaptic gives me this error while "reloading"      W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[10:03] <Gwildor> errr, how i can fix it
[10:03] <roo9> Synek: i was drunk, it was a dare, it was a long time ago, i was young and nieve
[10:04] <stuNNed_> Gwildor, temporarily comment out that repo, until apt-get update fixes it.
[10:04] <nyktovus> i dont think it does
[10:04] <Gwildor> stuNNed, and that will be...........
[10:04] <nyktovus> it leaves a "power off" message
[10:04] <stuNNed_> Gwildor, one sec
[10:04] <crimsun> Gwildor: I wrote a wiki page precisely for that.
[10:05] <Gwildor> crimsun, could you kindly post the link?
[10:05] <crimsun> Gwildor: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[10:05] <Gwildor> thnx :)
[10:05] <crimsun> oh dammit, I see an error
[10:06] <paulproteus> :), crimsun
[10:06] <crimsun> there.
[10:06] <Synek>  roo9 : bet you were, drunk all week ;)
[10:07] <roo9> Synek: it was summer.... I was errr 16? so yeah...
[10:09] <Synek> oh, i do believe you - doing sid>potato is much more rare thing than beeing drunk all week :)
[10:10] <nyktovus> so is there a way to make this machine power off itslef?
[10:11] <nyktovus> or do i have to push the button everytime
[10:11] <calc> a newer kernel might fix it
[10:13] <nyktovus> what about putting something in grub
[10:13] <nyktovus> like apm=off or something?
[10:14] <nyktovus> i dont know much about grub
[10:17] <stuNNed_> crimsun, know anything about this error:
[10:17] <stuNNed_> Unpacking replacement python2.3-pycurl ...
[10:17] <stuNNed_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:17] <stuNNed_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-pyorbit_2.0.1-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[10:17] <stuNNed_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:18] <crimsun> stuNNed_: I had to manually dpkg -i --force-overwrite one package yesterday, but I don't remember which of the python2.4-foos it was
[10:19] <aeruder> i had some issues because of the lack of a gnome2 package for python2.4
[10:19] <aeruder> i'm just waiting until it shows up sometime
[10:19] <aeruder> i have infinite patience now that i have subversion 1.1
[10:19] <aeruder> ;)
[10:20] <miggumike> hey
[10:20] <crimsun> aeruder: will probably appear later today
[10:21] <aeruder> crimsun: cool... i can wait :)
[10:21] <aeruder> its the price i pay for playing the hoary game
[10:21] <nyktovus> i installed vlc, and it didnt add it to the menu
[10:23] <miggumike> how can i get my hotkeys to work on my powerbook?
[10:23] <crimsun> miggumike: search for multimedia keys on the wiki
[10:27] <kuru> I would like to add the java plugin to firefox
[10:27] <crimsun> kuru: check the instructions on the wiki under restricted formats
[10:29] <kuru> crimsun: cool, thanks
[10:31] <kuru> funky..
[10:31] <kuru> works like a charm
[10:32] <kuru> ubuntu really needs to get someone to do a real design for its website ;)
[10:32] <melazyboy> i happen to like their website
[10:33] <melazyboy> compair with others microsoft.com, mandrake.com, novel.com, debian.org
[10:37] <paulproteus> Heh, debian.org
[10:38] <ctd> kuru: What's wrong with the website?
[10:38] <kuru> ctd: horrid colors and.. well, it's stock plone
[10:39] <melazyboy> i happen to like the colors on the other hand
[10:39] <ctd> kuru: They are the ubuntu colors.
[10:39] <ctd> And lets face it, the layout serves it's purpose.
[10:40] <kuru> the layout is fine
[10:40] <kuru> but no one can say that this is the best it can be ;)
[10:40] <kuru> well, i hope not ;)
[10:40] <aeruder> define best
[10:40] <aeruder> ;)
[10:41] <ctd> In what way is there an issue with design?
[10:41] <kuru> paulproteus: no, you got me completely wrong
[10:41] <kuru> oh well, who cares
[10:42] <kuru> it just looks like someone spent 3 minutes setting it up
[10:42] <ctd> It does quiet well in presenting info in a nice light-weight way.
[10:42] <paulproteus> kuru: Got it. :)
[10:42] <ctd> kuru: I'd rather they spent 3-minutes setting it up, and the day they could've spent working on the distribution. ;)
[10:43] <ctd> sorry, that doesn't read very well.
[10:43] <aeruder> we know what you meant :)
[10:43] <ctd> kuru: I'd rather they spent 3-minutes setting it up, rather than a day they could spent working on the distribution. ;)
[10:43] <ctd> That's better. :)
[10:43] <kuru> i don't personally care.. as long as i can find the RestrictedFormat page and get my java on ;)
[10:44] <aeruder> but in general though, most opensource projects have cruddy websites... and people complain or whatever... but open source isn't about motivation by complaints, its motivation by "here's my patch, apply it or die!"
[10:44] <aeruder> so... feel free to design a new ubuntu web site and see what the admins think :)
[10:44] <kuru> aeruder: you can't really do the same with ubuntu
[10:44] <kuru> for example, ubuntu's logo is quite nice
[10:44] <kuru> i really like it
[10:44] <kuru> and someone did spend time thinking about it
[10:44] <kuru> but it's almost like they said.. bah, too much time on this, just set up the site, we got a deadline
[10:44] <kuru> that's the impression i get
[10:44] <ctd> Last time somebody suggested a new website for something, it was awefully heavy-weight compared to a light CSS design.
[10:45] <kuru> ctd: you think plone is light-weight?!
[10:45] <kuru> ctd: have you worked with plone?
[10:45] <ctd> kuru: Not talking about plone specifically -- slug.org.au rather.
[10:46] <kuru> ctd: well, yeah, but plone is rather heavy
[10:46] <ctd> I'm talking about the outputted html. :)
[10:46] <melazyboy> I happen to like the ubuntu website, and think it is one of the most successfull software sites on the web, and after about 5min of using it I can find anything i want when i want to find it, and the colors are easy on the eyes
[10:46] <kuru> melazyboy: cause there isn't a lot of stuff there yet
[10:47] <melazyboy> kuru: what isn't there that needs to be?
[10:47] <kuru> melazyboy: really, if you want to fool yourself into thinking that, that's fine with me.
[10:47] <melazyboy> kuru: what isn't there that needs to be?
[10:47] <paulproteus> melazyboy: I suggest you look at all the other software websites made with Plone, then. ;)
[10:47] <kuru> melazyboy: /win 6
[10:48] <nyktovus> can i uninstall totem
[10:48] <nyktovus> its gay, and useless
[10:48] <paulproteus> melazyboy: Not that I don't like the Ubuntu website; I just think it's not spectacular.
[10:48] <kuru> paulproteus: bingo ;)
[10:48] <paulproteus> nyktovus: I don't have the issue where totem has sex with other totems.  Could you clarify?
[10:48] <kuru> paulproteus: Couldn't of have said it better.
[10:48] <nyktovus> it doesnt play anything
[10:49] <melazyboy> it has everything it needs, or rather that i ever needed from it, and it has a very easy to use layout with colors that won't make the eyes explode
[10:49] <nyktovus> it has an error on every file type
[10:49] <paulproteus> kuru: couldn't have. :)
[10:49] <nyktovus> and i'd rather make vlc my default
[10:49] <paulproteus> nyktovus: You will find it helpful to read about RestrictedFormats on the wiki and enable totem-xine support.
[10:49] <nyktovus> well vlc is already installed
[10:49] <nyktovus> and functions
[10:49] <nyktovus> why should i repair a stupid horse that doesnt run
[10:50] <paulproteus> Sure, then you can remove Totem.  GNOME expects it a little, but it's not essential.
[10:50] <paulproteus> You won't be able to get movie thumbnails generated in Nautilus if you remove it, for example.
[10:51] <nyktovus> well it says it needs to remove ubuntu-desktop as well
[10:51] <nyktovus> :(
[10:51] <nyktovus> is there just a way i can make vlc the default and not totem
[10:51] <crimsun> that's fine, nyktovus
[10:51] <nyktovus> thats fine?
[10:51] <paulproteus> That's a meta-package; when that's installed, you know you have all the components of the default ubuntu desktop.
[10:51] <nyktovus> what is ubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <paulproteus> You can remove it; it's like the sticker on a box that says, "Breaking this seal means you have opened the package."
[10:52] <nyktovus> oh
[10:52] <nyktovus> lame
[10:52] <nyktovus> well the only totem that it say si have is totem-gstreamer
[10:52] <nyktovus> is that totem?
[10:53] <paulproteus> nyktovus: If you bothered to understand what these meta-packages are useful for, you might consider them useful rather than "lame".
[10:53] <crimsun> totem uses gstreamer; totem-xine uses xine.
[10:53] <crimsun> pretty clear if you ask me :)
[10:53] <nyktovus> ok right now i'm finding this a pain in the ass to play any kinda file.. i fail to see how "useful" it is
[10:54] <crimsun> nyktovus: did you follow the restricted formats section on the wiki?
[10:54] <nyktovus> it didnt seem to apply to me
[10:54] <nyktovus> where on that restricted formats page did it even mention wmv playback, and setting a default app
[10:56] <nyktovus> i'll leave totem there so long as i can add vlc to the preferred app list
[10:56] <nyktovus> right now totem is the default and i cant seem to change it
[10:56] <crimsun> you do know that wmv is a restricted format, correct?
[10:56] <crimsun> thus you'll need to add the 'w32codecs' package
[10:56] <nyktovus> uhh. yeah and?
[10:56] <nyktovus> i already have them playing via vlc
[10:57] <nyktovus> so obviously it aint a prob
[10:57] <nyktovus> the prob is when totem starts poking its nosey ass around trying to tell me i NEED to use it cause its default
[10:57] <crimsun> so set the default app using the preferences
[10:57] <nyktovus> so how can i change the default?
[10:57] <nyktovus> using WHAT prefrences?
[10:58] <faked> hi, I just installed ubuntu warty and rebooted the system, after reboot there's no Desktop, only a console-login in, is this normal? or is there a problem with my installation?
[10:58] <domo> elo all
[10:58] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, right click the file in nautilus, choose the "open with" tab and then add vlc there
[10:59] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, right click and then click properties, rather
[10:59] <nyktovus> did it
[10:59] <nyktovus> but mozilla has this strange feeling that totem needs to be used
[10:59] <nyktovus> all the time
[10:59] <Safari_Al> mozilla does not use the GNOME MIME system afaik
[10:59] <nyktovus> ok.
[10:59] <nyktovus> so?
[11:00] <nyktovus> i'm looking for a solution not an symantic argument
[11:00] <Safari_Al> So you may need to configure mozilla's file associations somewhere else.
[11:00] <nyktovus> hmm
[11:00] <nyktovus> ok.
[11:01] <crimsun> I'm not sure why you're choosing to be hostile to people trying to assist you, nyktovus.
[11:01] <nyktovus> cause its seems like the assistance is hostile and condesending
[11:02] <housetier> hmm
[11:02] <housetier> ok.
[11:03] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, firefox has a "file types" section in the "downloads" part of its configuration window
[11:03] <nyktovus> its like everybody wants to just rip me apart for my motive on WHY i wanna use vlc instead of totem
[11:04] <nyktovus> to me it just seems easier
[11:04] <housetier> nyktovus its the name calling that causes some uneasyness
[11:04] <nyktovus> i could sit and REcode totem to actually function.. or i could just set the default to vlc
[11:04] <crimsun> nyktovus: no one's trying to get you to use totem instead of vlc
[11:04] <nyktovus> didnt think i was gonna be berrated by totem-loyalists
[11:04] <nyktovus> :P
[11:05] <crimsun> nyktovus: try to remember that people might tend to be more familiar w/ totem
[11:05] <nyktovus> well totem doesn twork
[11:05] <nyktovus> it failed on everything i threw at it.
[11:05] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, no recoding required.  all you need to do is read the RestrictedFormats wiki page on the ubuntu site, and then follow the instructions there to install totem-xine, as I think it was explained to you earlier.  using vlc or using totem-xine both mean the same thing: installing extra packages.
[11:05] <nyktovus> vlc kicked right over
[11:06] <nyktovus> gotcha
[11:06] <nyktovus> so in this "file types" section of firefox
[11:06] <nyktovus> you cant "add" a filetype
[11:06] <housetier> faked did you install normally, as in not expert install or so?
[11:06] <crimsun> nyktovus: because mozilla-firefox doesn't use the same gconf configuration, it won't be affected by system-wide preferences set in gnome for certain multimedia settings
[11:06] <Safari_Al> nyktovus, I've never configured that part, so you may just have to play around and see what works.
[11:06] <nyktovus> but i did get wmv in there under vlc
[11:06] <nyktovus> but it still trys to use totem everytime
[11:07] <faked> housetier: I think I installed normal, I only manually configured my partitions
[11:08] <housetier> faked ok, when you login can you "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"?
[11:09] <faked> housetier: there also was no xfree86 installed, I justed fetched it with apt-get
[11:09] <housetier> that's strange imho
[11:10] <crimsun> nyktovus: you may use the Configuration Editor to set the application
[11:10] <nyktovus> kool
[11:11] <crimsun> my menus are a bit different because I'm in Hoary, but /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/
[11:11] <faked> housetier: yes it is
[11:11] <crimsun> see mms, mmsh, pnm, rtsp
[11:12] <faked> housetier: but I'm used to apt-get, so I can install all the packages mannually, thanks for help
[11:12] <BlacKnight|> the #debian boys hate you guys
[11:12] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: how's it going
[11:12] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: not bad, yourself?
[11:12] <housetier> faked :)
[11:12] <BlacKnight|> annoyed
[11:12] <BlacKnight|> usb is broken
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> i suspect it never worked
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> my sd card reader works when it's plugged in on bootup
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> but if i unplug it and then plug it in again, it doesn't give me back /dev/sda1
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> the people in #debian are too uppity to actually offer some help
[11:13] <BlacKnight|> i tried in here but noone knew
[11:14] <housetier> BlacKnight| I have the same symptoms with my usb webcam
[11:14] <housetier> haven't ever figured a way around that
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> great
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> that's fantastic
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> my camera doesnt work either
[11:14] <housetier> 'tis
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> same problem
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> i don't get anything in /var/log/messages
[11:14] <BlacKnight|> does any other usb hardware work for you?
[11:14] <housetier> mouse works flawlessly
[11:15] <crimsun> 'night all.
[11:15] <housetier> hmm something just accoured to me
[11:15] <BlacKnight|> you cant help crim?
[11:15] <housetier> BlacKnight| try to remount usbfs
[11:15] <BlacKnight|> occurred?
[11:15] <housetier> maybe that helps, its just a wild guess though
[11:15] <BlacKnight|> does your mouse work if you remove it and plug it in again?
[11:15] <housetier> yes it does
[11:16] <BlacKnight|> how do i unmount usbfs?
[11:16] <housetier> good question :)
[11:17] <housetier> you might need to unload kernel modules
[11:17] <BlacKnight|> i'm dubious as to whether this will actually work
[11:17] <BlacKnight|> not dubious, skeptical
[11:17] <aeruder> usually you just do a umount
[11:17] <crimsun> well, I face a similar situation with 2.6 kernels, BlacKnight|
[11:17] <BlacKnight|> umount usbfs?
[11:17] <BlacKnight|> i'm using 2.6.8 brimsun
[11:17] <housetier> umount -usbfs -a
[11:18] <housetier> erm -tusbfs
[11:18] <BlacKnight|> maybe i should just install debian.. debian seems to work
[11:18] <crimsun> I have to `sudo modprobe -r uhci_hcd && sudo modprobe uhci-hcd'
[11:18] <aeruder> umount /proc/bus/usb
[11:18] <aeruder> but that won't fix it
[11:19] <aeruder> you need to setup udev to have persistent device names for that particular device
[11:19] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: (this is a recurring problem with usb support in Linux 2.6. It works fine in 2.4.)
[11:19] <aeruder> that's the major strength of udev
[11:19] <BlacKnight|> how do i remount it?
[11:19] <BlacKnight|> aeruder: how do i do what you said?
[11:19] <BlacKnight|> and why won't my camera hotplug either?!
[11:20] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: dmesg will always show you what is going on
[11:20] <aeruder> as far as your camera, i have no idea
[11:20] <BlacKnight|> usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 2
[11:20] <BlacKnight|> that was 2 hours ago
[11:20] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: hotplug works best if there is a definition for your device
[11:20] <aeruder> as far as remounting usbfs, do a mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb
[11:20] <aeruder> as far as setting up persistent device names
[11:20] <BlacKnight|> ok so it's remounted.. but the sd reader isn't there
[11:20] <ernstp> howdy!
[11:21] <ernstp> first boot in ubuntu
[11:21] <crimsun> ernstp: welcome
[11:21] <Safari_Al> ernstp, congrats!
[11:21] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: my camera's supported by libgphoto2
[11:21] <BlacKnight|> which i have installed
[11:21] <ernstp> thanks..
[11:21] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: did you try what I suggested regarding uhci-hcd?
[11:21] <BlacKnight|> and which has placed definitions in /etc/hotplug or whatever
[11:21] <BlacKnight|> so remove them? i'm trying now
[11:21] <ernstp> now, I had to try hoary of cource...
[11:21] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: that will not create a /dev device for your camera
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> so what's -r?
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> remove?
[11:22] <crimsun> yes
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> and now what?
[11:22] <ernstp> and, gnome acting a bit strange. any other Gnome Hoary users here?
[11:22] <aeruder> libgphoto2 is probably using libusb (user space usb drivers )
[11:22] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: reinsert uhci-hcd
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> with my camera on?
[11:22] <nyktovus> ok so is there something i can put in grub's menu.list that will make my machine actually shut off instead of just halting and saying "power down"
[11:22] <nyktovus> ??
[11:22] <BlacKnight|> aeruder: what are the implications of that?
[11:23] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: none.. just that you won't necessarily get a /dev device
[11:23] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: ok i reinserted...
[11:23] <ernstp> nyktovus, nope
[11:23] <nyktovus> wha??? what about apm=off
[11:23] <crimsun> nyktovus: what's your current /proc/cmdline? you can try playing with acpi settings
[11:23] <ernstp> nyktovus, that list has nothing with that to do
[11:23] <BlacKnight|> i don't even get a /dev/bus/usb/blah/blah
[11:23] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: as far as udev persistent naming goes, you should do a google for persistent udev
[11:23] <aeruder> BlacKnight|: do you get anything in dmesg?
[11:23] <nyktovus> well windows turns the machine off ok.
[11:23] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: is usbfs mounted?
[11:24] <nyktovus> and i had another linux box with the same prob.. all i had to do was add some kinda line in lilo.conf
[11:24] <ernstp> .fdi files in /usr/share/hal/fdi do some things for hal
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #2
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.1 to 64
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 177, io base 0000ef00
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 2-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.2[C]  -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 185
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #3
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.2 to 64
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: irq 185, io base 0000ef20
[11:24] <aeruder> er. woah man
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3
[11:24] <crimsun> wow dude.
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[11:24] <nyktovus> i'm not familiar with grub at all
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1d.3[A]  -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 169
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.3: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #4
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.3 to 64
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.3: irq 169, io base 0000ef40
[11:24] <ernstp> noone else having trouble with gnome in hoary?
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.3: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> hub 4-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> shit sorry
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> sorry sorry
[11:24] <aeruder> oi
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> well that was dmesg :P
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> it wasn't meant to go into the channel though
[11:24] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: yeah it's mounted
[11:25] <BlacKnight|> but i still don't have a /dev/sda1 for the sd card
[11:25] <crimsun> ernstp: current gnome is undergoing a python2.4 transition. Stuff is going to be screwed for a day or two more at least.
[11:26] <ernstp> crimsun, but I don't think this is it...
[11:26] <ernstp> many gnome apps don't start
[11:27] <BlacKnight|> hrmm it sounds like my problem is a bit atypical guys
[11:27] <ernstp> if I strace totem, it hangs when i select open
[11:27] <ernstp> on this: futex(0x5a4fc0, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL
[11:28] <BlacKnight|> am i supposed to get something in /var/log/messages when i plug a usb device in?!?!?!
[11:29] <crimsun> well, you should at least get something in `dmesg', BlacKnight|
[11:29] <aeruder> perhaps... but you should at least get somethi... yea
[11:29] <BlacKnight|> nope
[11:29] <BlacKnight|> nothign...
[11:29] <BlacKnight|> could it be bios?
[11:29] <BlacKnight|> oh, did i tell you about the biospnp error that i got?
[11:30] <BlacKnight|> could that be in any way related?
[11:31] <crimsun> there's a remote possibility, but the probability is extremely low
[11:32] <spikeb> i have no usb devices, so i won't be helpful in here either
[11:32] <spikeb> however, i decided to come along for the discussion :)
[11:32] <BlacKnight|> the discussion seems to have died...
[11:32] <spikeb> heh
[11:32] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: so what the hell could it be?
[11:32] <spikeb> figures. i'll hang anyway
[11:32] <domo> someone know how to stop the automatique reboot of X, I know that I can change the executable right of gdm and reboot, but I would like to do that more proprely
[11:32] <spikeb> i've used ubuntu before as well
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> someone in #debian suggested disabling sound, acpi and apic
[11:33] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: do you have ehci_hcd loaded?
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: yeah, and usb_storage
[11:33] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: I have to boot with noapic to get usb devices to work
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> ubuntu's very good at loading the right modules
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> crimsun: ahhh
[11:33] <crimsun> (and my motherboard's bios is so terrible wrt acpi that the model is blacklisted in the kernel)
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> maybe i should try that?
[11:33] <spikeb> heh
[11:33] <BlacKnight|> what do i have to add to grub?
[11:34] <spikeb> yeah i disable acpi too
[11:34] <spikeb> acpi=off
[11:34] <paulproteus> (what about nolapic?)
[11:34] <BlacKnight|> spikeb: what's with guerin?
[11:34] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: he's a debian user
[11:34] <BlacKnight|> hahaha
[11:34] <crimsun> paulproteus: (for me, makes no difference from not booting with nolapic)
[11:34] <BlacKnight|> but there are so many debian users
[11:35] <BlacKnight|> sorry, good, useful debian users
[11:35] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: we have a few elitist asshats amongst our ranks
[11:35] <BlacKnight|> why do they tolerate being let down by that loser?
[11:35] <spikeb> probably more than our fair share.
[11:35] <crimsun> there are zealots everywhere.
[11:35] <BlacKnight|> well why not put them in their place
[11:35] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: because he's saying what many developers actually THINK
[11:35] <domo> someone can help me ?
[11:35] <spikeb> bofh syndrome
[11:35] <BlacKnight|> bofh?
[11:35] <paulproteus> domo: Maybe.  If you ask a question, we might answer it.
[11:35] <paulproteus> :)
[11:36] <domo> someone know how to stop the automatique reboot of X, I know that I can change the executable right of gdm and reboot, but I would like to do that more proprely
[11:36] <tuxJr_14> hi guys
[11:36] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: bastard operator from hell
[11:36] <domo> that's I did :)
[11:36] <ryanmcgregor> Hey, I am considering upgrading to the testing hoary branch. Do upgrades generally break add-on applications (eg Firefox 1.0, Thunderbird 1.0, RealPlayer, Skype, etc.)
[11:36] <crimsun> domo: I'm not sure what you mean by "automatic reboot of X"
[11:36] <paulproteus> domo: Do you mean you want to stop GDM from starting on boot?
[11:36] <domo> yep
[11:36] <spikeb> ryanmcgregor: depends.
[11:36] <spikeb> heh
[11:36] <domo> exactly
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> ok wish me luck
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> i'm about to reboot
[11:36] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: good luck
[11:36] <BlacKnight|> -detached
[11:37] <crimsun> domo: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[11:37] <ryanmcgregor> spikeb: Will just simply redownloading the application and reinstalling it fix the problem?
[11:37] <domo> But I just want to do that for install a driver
[11:37] <spikeb> ryanmcgregor: again, depends. most likely, but not if hoary has silly or broken libraries
[11:37] <crimsun> domo: to install what driver?
[11:37] <domo> I know that I can reboot in rescue mode
[11:37] <crimsun> domo: nvidia?
[11:37] <paulproteus> domo: You can also change the contents of /etc/X11/default-display-manager .
[11:38] <domo> nope a Intel drivers for my graphiccard
[11:38] <paulproteus> right now it contains "/usr/bin/gdm".  If you change it to something else, gdm won't start on boot.
[11:38] <ryanmcgregor> spikeb: Alright, thx
[11:38] <paulproteus> If you change it back to having the contents "/usr/bin/gdm", then it will start on boot again.
[11:38] <spikeb> ryanmcgregor: you bet. :)
[11:38] <domo> ok so I just comment /usr/bin/gdm
[11:38] <paulproteus> Sure, that'd be fine.
[11:38] <domo> I will try and I come back
[11:38] <domo> Thanx
[11:38] <paulproteus> domo: Great, see you soon. :)
[11:38] <spikeb> good luck
[11:41] <domo> did I have to reboot ? cause if I just kill X with ctrl+alt+backspace, that didn't work
[11:42] <crimsun> you'd have to at least change runlevels from and back to 2, yes.
[11:42] <paulproteus> domo: You must run /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:42] <paulproteus> As root.  That will prevent it from respawning, as well as kill the current GDM session.
[11:42] <ztonzy> morning :)
[11:42] <BlacKnight|> hrmm
[11:42] <BlacKnight|> no luck
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> does this ring any bells?
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[11:43] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: that's a non-fatal error in this context; ignore it.
[11:43] <spikeb> no idea what pciehp is
[11:43] <crimsun> nearly everyone will get that error.
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> ajay@ajay:~ $ hotplug usb
[11:43] <karlheg> This X.org server is really nice.  The fonts that get chosen are a lot more readable.
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> Bad USB agent invocation, no action
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> how about that?
[11:43] <BlacKnight|> is that me being a noob?
[11:44] <BlacKnight|> plug/unplug usb device still dooes nothing
[11:44] <domo> /etc/init./gdm stop > that just percfect
[11:44] <domo> thanks a lot
[11:44] <karlheg> It looks way better than XFree86 did, and on at least this i855GM, I get DRI now too.
[11:44] <BlacKnight|> should i try your modprobe -r uhci_hcd ?
[11:44] <karlheg> I am very happy that they went to X.org with Hoary!  It's a lot better now.
[11:45] <crimsun> BlacKnight|: I use that command because I only have USB 1.1 support on my motherboard
[11:45] <BlacKnight|> any other ideas?
[11:45] <BlacKnight|> new bios?
[11:45] <karlheg> paulproteus, what is wrong with your GDM configuration?  (I just got here; maybe I can help?)
[11:45] <BlacKnight|> hrmm crimsun: are you going to be around in a couple of hours?
[11:46] <paulproteus> karlheg: No, I'm advising domo.
[11:46] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: that should go without saying - always use the latest bios
[11:46] <karlheg> spikeb, I bet pcihp is "pci hot plug".
[11:46] <karlheg> What's the issue?  Maybe I can help?
[11:46] <BlacKnight|> haha ok i'll try it spikeb
[11:46] <BlacKnight|> karlheg: my usb is b0rked
[11:46] <BlacKnight|> fix it
[11:46] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: especially if you're like me and have a rather retarded motherboard
[11:47] <karlheg> Ah, I seen now; got it to stop / start via the init.d script was it?
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> while i goto coles and buy stuff for gettnig drunk on the beach
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> spikeb: which one?
[11:47] <spikeb> BlacKnight|: i have an abit kt7a 1.3
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> ok
[11:47] <spikeb> most. retarded.board.ever.
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> hahah
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> mine'd be good if it wasnb't made of recycled human faeces
[11:47] <spikeb> thankfully, this box will soon be a server and in the closet and out of my hair
[11:47] <BlacKnight|> ok really should run
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> tasty
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> "ahll be back"
[11:48] <karlheg> BlacKnight|, I've had problems with USB on some hardware.  What host controller driver is hotplug loading?  uhci, ohci, ehci?
[11:48] <spikeb> ok ahnold
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> all of the above?
[11:48] <karlheg> On an HP Pavilion, I could not get USB cameras to work right that work fine on other computers.
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd,
[11:48] <spikeb> heh
[11:48] <BlacKnight|> no ohci
[11:49] <BlacKnight|> karlheg: i can't get any usb devices to even register as being plugged in~
[11:49] <karlheg> It used the ohci_hcd rather than the uhci_hcd.  (ehci_hcd is for USB 2.0)