[01:56] <smartboyhw> !testers | new images 20130213 has arrived
[01:56] <smartboyhw> !testers
[01:57] <smartboyhw> Hmm........
[01:57] <smartboyhw> !tester
[02:52] <smartboyhw> len-1304, ping
[03:09] <smartboyhw> What the...How come at the ISO QA Tracker Ubuntu Studio Test pages there is only one bug to look for and it's Bug 1?
[03:09] <smartboyhw> Bug 1
[03:10] <smartboyhw> Clearly ubottu went haywire
[03:20]  * smartboyhw yawns
[03:26] <len-1304> smartboyhw, there should be two bugs to look for I think.
[03:26] <smartboyhw> len-1304, oh?
[03:27] <smartboyhw> I reported our old bug which we fixed in Raring (that -icon-theme)
[03:57] <smartboyhw> Guys, I set up the release notes of 12.04.2 to go out at 14:00 UTC (around that time anyway) on ubuntustudio.org
[06:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, any chance for you to test 12.04.2 i386 images?
[07:02] <zequence> smartboyhw: Maybe. cjwatson was asking about where we publish our release notes. What's the link again?
[07:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, I got it now in ubuntustudio.org
[07:02] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, but the wiki link
[07:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, well either http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/ or wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[07:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, I set that post to be public 7 hours later
[07:03] <smartboyhw> I mean in the website
[07:03]  * smartboyhw is zsyncing the i386 image
[07:03] <smartboyhw> amd64 works fine, except the Xubuntu logo is still on (LOL)
[07:04] <zequence> Where is the logo? In ubiquity?
[07:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep
[07:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, we didn't backport it to Precise
[07:06] <smartboyhw> And as len-1304 and micahg said: It would require a complete rewrite of quite a number of packages
[07:06] <smartboyhw> It's not critical anyway
[07:09] <zequence> cjwatson: there's the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio, and then we're publishing on our website  http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/ (not published yet). smartboyhw is actually doing this work for us atm
[07:09] <zequence> Ah, sorry :)
[07:09] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL wrong channel:P
[07:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, PING
[07:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, is Ubuntu Studio Precise 12.04.2 i386 still using a lowlatency-pae kernel?
[07:41] <smartboyhw> zequence, I have tested all the images and they passed. If scott-work doesn't show up before release time, it would be your decision to make the release happen
[07:41] <smartboyhw> The images are ready
[09:34] <zequence> smartboyhw: Ok, I'll do the test then
[09:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, what test!?
[09:35] <zequence> smartboyhw: Oh, sorry. I misread. Thought you still needed to have i386 tested
[09:35] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL. Just that lowlatency-pae question needs answering.
[09:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, does 12.04.2 i386 still uses lowlatency-pae?
[09:39] <zequence> smartboyhw: I've actually never bothered to look which is installed by default. As a matter of fact, Ubuntu Studio 32 bits seems to install both -generic and -lowlatency-pae by default
[09:40] <zequence> Let me have a look
[09:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, :O
[09:42] <zequence> This is something we need to fix of course
[09:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think only -lowlatency-pae
[09:43] <smartboyhw> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/precise/dvd/current/precise-dvd-i386.manifest
[09:43]  * smartboyhw goes and changes release notes before it's too late
[09:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: So, that shows we ship -lowlatency-pae, but it's not showing the problem with -generic, which I need to look at further
[09:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, good
[09:45] <zequence> Anyway, pae it is
[09:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, I don't think we have that problem anymore
[09:47] <smartboyhw> I looked at both raring and precise daily's manifests, and they don't include any linux-generic
[10:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yet, generic is installed with Ubuntu Studio
[10:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, eeh?!
[10:14] <zequence> I'll have a closer look at this later.
[10:15] <zequence> I had to remove -generic from all the test installs I've done, which I set up for test the lowlatency kernel
[10:16] <zequence> I don't usually dabble with testing ISOs, and I don't have a deep understanding of the whole process of how the ISO is made and installed. At some point, generic is installed
[10:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think it's the recommends or that sort of thing
[10:17] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you want to find out why, be my guest. We should change it for raring
[10:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, I want to. But make it tomorrow. I'm busy doing tests:P
[10:18] <zequence> Sure. I'm preparing to do raring kernel testing myself, and will want to try make it perform better
[10:37] <zequence> Just realized I have a small firewire 400 connector on my laptop. Should be possible to run my focusrite on that :P
[10:37] <zequence> Texas Instruments, even
[10:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, :!
[11:06] <astraljava> smartboyhw: You should quit smoking. It's bad for you. *groan* On another note, were you intending to debug the precise kernel issue in time for .2? When is it due?
[11:13] <smartboyhw> astraljava, what!?
[11:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, is astraljava's IRC account hacked or what!?
[11:17] <smartboyhw> Does anyone know what astraljava is saying!?
[11:22] <zequence> smartboyhw: I think he was referring to :!, on the first two sentences (at least I think so), and on the other, he was probably referring to the issue with generic being installed on Studio
[11:22] <zequence> astraljava: The kernel issue will have to wait, but I do agree, smartboyhw should definately quit smoking!
[11:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, astraljava: 1. I mean I am surprised , not smoking
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Next time: !:O
[11:23] <smartboyhw> astraljava, zequence 2. 12.04.2 is releasing TODAY and it's zequence who's the kernel lead:P
[11:23] <smartboyhw> You all mistaken me:(
[11:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, astraljava I want an official apology:(
[11:25] <smartboyhw> zequence, time for a new linux-lowlatency in precis
[11:25] <smartboyhw> *precise
[11:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: I've already updated, yesterday
[11:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, good. Let me wait for it
[11:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, why does it show "In Progree" for Bug 1124517?:P
[11:29] <smartboyhw> For prepare-package
[11:29] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[11:29] <zequence> smartboyhw: A lot of those things are done automatically, by a bot
[11:30] <zequence> I don't have access to the information around that, so I don't know all the details
[11:30] <zequence> The procedure for doing the bug is not yet finished
[11:30] <zequence> I only got my gpg key signed recently, so that makes me now a trusted source
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Oh
[11:32] <zequence> Next I will start doing more on the packaging bit. As of yet, I only update my own git tree. apw pulls from it.
[11:34] <zequence> I'm also editing the bug report manually, but again, the procedure is not finished yet, so it changes from time to time
[11:34] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Well, if you're offended by the remarks of your typos, then I'll humbly apologize. And yes, I was referring to the -generic issue.
[11:34] <astraljava> s/typos/smileys/
[11:34] <kubotu> astraljava meant: "smartboyhw: Well, if you're offended by the remarks of your smileys, then I'll humbly apologize. And yes, I was referring to the -generic issue."
[11:35] <astraljava> Sorry, my brain is not functioning today.
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Wow kubotu is still here!
[11:37] <smartboyhw> astraljava, um no:P
[11:37] <smartboyhw> astraljava, make it for 12.04.3
[11:38] <astraljava> Oh ok.
[11:38] <astraljava> Then I can do it, too, assuming it's fairly far into the future.
[11:39] <smartboyhw> astraljava, yep
[11:44] <smartboyhw> astraljava, you are one of the kernel guys
[11:44] <smartboyhw> I'm not:P
[11:44] <zequence> This is not really related to the kernel itself, but the ISO
[11:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, the seeds
[11:47] <zequence> smartboyhw: the kernels don't show in seeds. As I haven't been working with that much, I don't know how some of the stuff not showing up in seeds are included
[11:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, the recommends/
[11:47] <smartboyhw> Probably
[11:48] <zequence> smartboyhw: What recommends?
[11:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, some packages may recommend installing other packages
[11:50]  * smartboyhw -> dinner
[12:57]  * smartboyhw hopes scott-work will turn up today
[14:19]  * smartboyhw waits for scott-work to get to work, as in his email
[14:21] <zequence> smartboyhw: Basically, you're wanting to ask him if it's ok to publish the iso?
[14:21] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep. If scott-work doesn't appear in 1-2 hours, zequence you would have to do it
[14:21] <smartboyhw> If not, problem
[14:23] <zequence> I'll be away for a little while. bb in about half an hour
[14:23] <smartboyhw> zequence, no worries
[14:29] <len-1304> There you go smartboyhw
[14:29] <smartboyhw> len-1304, yay
[14:29] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yay!!!!!
[15:01] <smartboyhw> OK the images are now marked ready!!!!!!
[15:04] <smartboyhw> scott-work, zequence do you guys want ~ubuntustudio-core to be setup to have privileges to mark releases ready?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> That makes sense eh?
[15:09] <zequence> scott-work: What do you think? That would let anyone of us do it manually. No need to do it by IRC
[15:09] <zequence> Kubuntu is apparently doing it this way
[15:09] <smartboyhw> zequence, they are planning to:P It would make sense for you guys to do it
[15:12] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ^
[15:18] <zequence> smartboyhw: I think poking him once is enough ;).
[15:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, ;)
[15:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, when you guys made the decision to do so tell stgraber on #ubuntu-release
[15:21] <zequence> edubuntu apparently has a ~edubuntu-release team, but I wonder if we really need another team :P
[15:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, just use ubuntustudio-core
[15:45] <smartboyhw> See ya all
[15:54] <smartboyhw> jussi or holstein: Please help change channel topics on both #ubuntustudio and #ubuntustudio-devel
[15:54] <holstein> smartboyhw: i can.. whats up?
[15:57] <smartboyhw> holstein: In user channel add Ubuntu Studio 12.04.2 LTS released and point to the release notes on ubuntustudio.org
[15:59] <holstein> do we do that?
[15:59] <holstein> shoule i add it on?
[15:59] <holstein> should*
[15:59] <holstein> scott-work: what do you think?
[16:00] <smartboyhw> I think we should. But at least: Remove the testing bits on the topic here
[16:01] <smartboyhw> holstein:^
[16:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work: Don't forget to send out an announcement after the images get loaded into cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases
[16:09] <scott-work> holstein: if you think it's a good idea, then i'd say do it :)
[16:09] <scott-work> zequence: i think using hte -core team for releases is good
[16:10] <smartboyhw> scott-work :-D
[16:35] <smartboyhw> scott-work, zequence so tell stgraber if you guys want control of marking releases ready
[16:40] <scott-work> smartboyhw: do you have a link to the 12.04.02 release notes on ubuntustudio.org? if so i'll see if i can change the topic now
[16:41] <smartboyhw> scott-work http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/
[16:43] <scott-work> smartboyhw: is that okay with you? let me know if you want a change
[16:43] <smartboyhw> scott-work… two 12.04 in the topic??
[16:44] <scott-work> oops, my bad. trying to do too many things as once
[16:45] <smartboyhw> no worries
[16:48] <smartboyhw> Thanks scott-wok
[16:48] <smartboyhw> *scott-work
[16:48] <scott-work> of course this is presuming that the link for the ISO will be correct when the image is pushed ;)
[16:48] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:50] <holstein> scott-work: cheers
[16:50] <holstein> lets go with that, and see what needs to be changed
[16:50] <smartboyhw> cheers
[18:23] <zequence> scott-work: I passed on the request to have the LP team handle accepting a release ready
[18:23] <zequence> scott-work: So, is there anything else that you think we should add to the Mission Statement, as far as ideas go?
[18:24] <zequence> I think I'd like to go ahead and start drafting some concrete text for it. I'm thinking a short version, and a long version, where the long version can be a bit more thorough and informative, while the short version is just very clear about what Ubuntu Studio is about
[18:46] <scott-work> zequence: i think drafting something is good. i was also going to suggest we ask for some input from others as well
[19:06] <zequence> scott-work: yeah, I guess it would be good. Post on the devel list?
[19:07] <zequence> Or, even a less formal discussion on user, to see what our users think?
[19:10] <scott-work> hmmmm, we might start with -dev and then once it's a little more solidified we can ask on -users? bah, i'm good whichever way we do it
[19:15] <zequence> scott-work: On LAU there was just a discussion on what sucks and what rules about Linux audio. Ubuntu Studio is not only audio, which many people will easily forget, but that is probably a good resource for info
[19:18] <zequence> I think we could have a similar discussion on the topic of Ubuntu Studio
[19:18] <zequence> I guess we could throw out the question on all our channels and mail lists
[19:19] <zequence> Though, I feel we already know what people will say. What kind of opinsions there will be
[19:21] <zequence> Another way would be: we make a draft of something, and publish it. Ask for feedback. Then do changes
[19:30] <zequence> scott-work: I was just notified about ~ubuntustudio-core getting the privileges to change more stuff over at iso.qa.ubuntu.com, so we can accept the releases ourselves
[19:30] <zequence> scott-work: You need to logout and in again to see the difference
[19:32] <zequence> We can mark them for rebuild, testing, done or even remove as it seems
[19:33] <zequence> ttoine: How did the interview go?
[19:35] <scott-work> zequence: good idea about discussion of ubuntu studio. really good idea
[19:35] <scott-work> zequence: oh, and that is super sweet about the -core team and release :)
[19:36] <scott-work> ttoine_: hello!
[19:38] <ttoine_> hello !
[19:39] <ttoine_> ?
[19:40] <zequence> ttoine_: Seems like you just quit. We're dying to hear the results about the interview :)
[21:15] <ttoine_> zequence, i am here
[21:15] <ttoine_> yes, the interview was very interesting
[21:15] <ttoine_> stephane is a nice guy
[21:15] <ttoine_> mr
[21:15] <ttoine_> more a scientiest than a geek, actually
[21:16] <zequence> ttoine_: Sounds interesting
[21:17] <zequence> Steam is having a Linux sale. Steam appeared in Ubuntu's software Center today
[21:17] <zequence> Still weird using it
[21:20] <ttoine_> yep
[21:20] <ttoine_> zequence, so official release for ubuntu ?
[21:20] <ttoine_> I will have to write the interview in french
[21:20] <ttoine_> then, translate it in english
[21:21] <ttoine_> and then, ask scott-work for proof read
[21:22] <zequence> ttoine_: Yeah. The fun part of it is, I'm using the free drivers playing the games. I've only tried one so far.
[21:22] <zequence> The free drivers don't perform as well, AFAIK, but they seem to have more or less full functionality
[21:22] <zequence> Both AMD and NVIDIA
[21:23] <zequence> This is on Raring, so probably a bit more up to date than Precise on that
[21:25] <ttoine_> zequence, I guess
[21:26] <ttoine_> there is PPA with the latest free drivers
[21:26] <ttoine_> and x-edgers, too
[21:27] <ttoine_> yes, steam in in 12.04 too
[21:28] <zequence> I'm getting a bit more cumfy with maintaining -lowlatency, so I will soon put up a PPA for testing kernels
[21:29] <zequence> There are a bunch of configs that are interesting to find out more about
[21:29] <ttoine_> great
[21:29] <ttoine_> zequence, monday, I begin my new job...
[21:29] <ttoine_> a dream job
[21:29] <zequence> ttoine_: :)
[21:29] <ttoine_> for some weeks, I will only have internet at work
[21:30] <ttoine_> I will live in an old mountain house a friend of my mother let me use
[21:30] <ttoine_> but no internet available
[21:37] <zequence> ttoine_: Send us postcards (jk)
[21:38] <zequence> Just tried CS Source. 1080p, on a NVIDIA 210. It doesn't work well on proprietary drivers either, but a bit worse on the free ones. Still, pretty impressive. All, until the game just crashed suddenly :(
[21:47] <ttoine_> too bad
[21:47] <ttoine_> but it is quite cool to have an official port !
[21:48] <ttoine_> well, time to sleep
[21:48] <zequence> ttoine_: GN
[21:48] <ttoine_> good st valentin everyone
[21:48] <ttoine_> I mean, if you are not single, of course


[00:00] <Sergeant_Pony> /dev/sda3             21829440   6792936  13927620  33% /
[00:01] <Jazzva> Is there any line that ends with "/home" instead of "/"
[00:01] <Jazzva> ?
[00:01] <Sergeant_Pony> nope...
[00:01] <asac> Sergeant_Pony: backup your .mozilla-thunderbird directory and compact your folders by right clicking on them
[00:01] <asac> in thunderbird
[00:01] <asac> try to compact your "sent-folder"
[00:02] <asac> if its an imap folder check if you can copy a mail to that folder
[00:04] <Sergeant_Pony> it's an imap folder
[00:04] <asac> if you cannot copy a mail to it its most likely a imap setup issue
[00:05] <asac> but compacting folders or removing the .msf files before starting tbird sometimes helps to overcome corruption of cache
[00:05] <asac> s
[00:05] <asac> so give it a try
[00:06] <Sergeant_Pony> ok.. it's working again
[00:06] <Sergeant_Pony> why does it do that after every 7 sent emails?
[00:07] <asac> Sergeant_Pony: yeah ... your mail server doesnt allow parallel connections
[00:07] <asac> try to reduce the connection pool size in thunderbird to fix this
[00:07] <Sergeant_Pony> MDaemon pro
[00:07] <Sergeant_Pony> connection pool size?
[00:08] <asac> Sergeant_Pony: advanced server setting ... and there its "maximum ... of cached connections"
[00:08] <asac> its 5 by default
[00:09] <asac> try 2
[00:09] <asac> or 3
[00:09] <asac> or even 1 ;)
[00:10] <Sergeant_Pony> I'm at 3 now so we'll see what happenes
[00:26] <fta> the <video> patch is wanted1.9.1+ P1, excellent
[00:26] <fta> with ogg and gstreamer
[00:34] <fta> asac, can we hide EULA for flock too ?
[00:37] <asac> fta: depends on how its licensed in general
[00:38] <fta> asac, GPL
[00:38] <asac> everything?
[00:38] <fta> asac, no mention of v2, v3
[00:39] <asac> yeah. then it probably means GPL or later ;)
[00:39] <asac> now or later
[00:39] <fta> i guess the mozilla code remains tri-licensed
[00:39] <fta> or end-up GPL ?
[00:40] <asac> if anything in there is GPL-only this de-facto demotes everything else to GPL only
[00:41] <asac> though individual source files might still be tri-licensed, the complete ball is GPL then
[00:41] <asac> in the end flock guys need to use tri-license. otherwise they cannot really contribute back to mozilla
[00:41] <asac> only tri-licensed code is allowed in afaict
[00:41] <fta> there's also the branding owned by Flock
[00:42] <asac> yeah, but branding is special in general
[00:42] <fta> You are not granted rights or licenses to the trademarks of the
[00:42] <fta> Flock Inc. or any party, including without limitation the
[00:42] <fta> Flock name or logo.
[00:43] <asac> whats the context of that snippet?
[00:46] <fta> none. it's other-licenses/branding/Sulfur/LICENSE
[00:46] <fta> or other-licenses/branding/Flock/LICENSE
[00:50] <asac> ok ... but other-licenses can be replaced by something else if license isnt good enough
[00:51] <fta> minefield branding or something we have to create
[00:56] <fta> asac, jcastro: i've updated the wiki for flock. there's not much compared to Songbird ;)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Ideas/Intrepid
[01:05] <Jazzva> Who do I need to bug about missing "Add exception" button on pages with bad security certificate? Translator or someone other?
[01:05] <Jazzva> For example, it's visible on this page www.jaim.at/jwchat when using english language, but not with serbian.
[01:10] <fta> strange, i get both the error page *and* a popup
[01:10] <Jazzva> Same here ... but with missing button :)
[01:10] <fta> click on "..or you can set an exception"
[01:11] <Jazzva> Clicked... and that's where the buttons are missing
[01:11] <fta> no buttons in the yellow part ?
[01:11] <Jazzva> Nope
[01:11] <fta> anything relevant in the Error console ?
[01:12] <Jazzva> nope
[01:14] <Jazzva> www.jazzva.com/buttons.png that's the screenshot
[01:15] <fta> waa, is that serbian ?
[01:16] <Jazzva> Yep :)
[01:16] <fta> looks like russian to me..
[01:16] <Jazzva> it's somewhat similar
[01:17] <fta> anyway, did you search in bugzilla ?
[01:17] <Jazzva> I'll take a look now
[01:20] <fta> 170
[01:21] <fta> can you check you langpack for securityOverride.warningText ?
[01:21] <Jazzva> ...and that is prolly translated
[01:21] <Jazzva> Ok
[01:24] <Jazzva> Where do we keep firefox langpacks in Ubuntu?
[01:24] <fta> xpi
[01:25] <Jazzva> to download langpack xpi?
[01:25] <fta> it's like an extension
[01:25] <Jazzva> ah :)
[01:28] <Jazzva> no securityOverride.warningText in xpi file
[01:34] <fta> mozilla bug 406991
[01:36] <Jazzva> no <xul:button> tag in that message. Seems that's what's causing the problem
[01:36] <Jazzva> <!ENTITY securityOverride.warningText "
Немојте додавати изузетке ако користите везу којој не верујете у потпуности, или ако нисте навикли да добијате упозорења о овом серверу.
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[01:38] <Jazzva> Yep, checked in en-GB locale, and it's there.
[01:38] <Jazzva> I'll send an e-mail to the translators to let them know about this.
[01:39] <Jazzva> And I guess, the bug will be reported after...
[01:40] <Jazzva> thanks for the help, fta :)
[01:41] <fta> maybe file a bug on lp too so next time they re-trigger the langpacks, it gets in
[01:41] <Jazzva> I'll check, but I don't think so. Not sure if that many users are actually using serbian langpack. But, who knows :)
[01:46] <Jazzva> Hmm... seems like it was auto-imported, so translations.launchpad are mentioned as translators. Should I report this at mozilla bugtracker then?
[01:56] <fta> donno, you'll have to ask asac
[01:56] <Jazzva> Ok
[03:39] <Sergeant_Pony> compacting folders didn't help... it still won't copy sent emails to my sent folder. I also changed the cache setting down to 2, no change. Anyone have any other ideas?
[06:31] <asac> Jazzva: its a translation bug if you dont get that button
[06:31] <asac> (exception)
[07:07] <asac><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:10] <asac> fta: nss/nspr state => is there a final tag already?
[07:11] <asac> wondering if we should bring those as part of bug 237690 ... but most likely they are not essential for that and we can fork that update to a separate bug
[07:49] <asac> anyone can clarify bug 238861
[07:49] <asac> :)
[09:02] <Jazzva> asac, and what is the right place to report translation bugs?
[09:21] <asac> Jazzva: bugzilla i assume
[09:22] <asac> Jazzva: if its maintained upstream
[09:22] <Jazzva> Any special settings/tags for translation bugs?
[09:22] <Jazzva> It is...
[09:25] <asac> Jazzva: i think there should be a proper component in bugzilla for every language
[09:25] <asac> dont file this against browser -> generic ,)
[09:26] <asac> Jazzva: if you file a bug you can select mozilla translations
[09:26] <asac> then you can select your language as "Component"
[09:26] <Jazzva> Hehe :). Ok, I'll check after lab practice. Have to go soon and I'll be back around 15h...
[09:26] <asac> cool
[09:26] <asac> bdmurray: when awake, please ping me ;)
[09:26] <Jazzva> So, see you later
[09:27] <asac> bdmurray: would like to have a quick sprint on mozilla bug procedure
[10:13] <gnomefreak> yay today starts a cool off finally out of the 100s
[10:20] <gnomefreak> asac: did you push RC2 anywhere yet?
[10:21] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, read my blog ;)
[10:21] <gnomefreak> not sure if this is regression yet but firefox cant connect to internet
[10:23] <gnomefreak> its not a proxy
[10:24] <gnomefreak> chrols: can you please sstate your exact issue so i can catch up
[10:25] <gnomefreak> asac: i see the update now
[10:26] <gnomefreak> !info libc6 hardy
[10:26] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[10:27] <gnomefreak> took over a month to get libc6 in repos in intrepid
[10:27] <chrols> gnomefreak: I think I might have found the issue
[10:27] <asac> yay, ffox 2 bug folder cleared
[10:27] <gnomefreak> asac: :)
[10:27] <asac> what a huge pile of work that was
[10:28] <chrols> Well I doubt it was a bug, I think it is myself I have to blame
[10:28] <asac> now allow me to keep on top of bug-flood please :)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> asac: how long do we plan on supporting Ffox-2 in Intrepid?
[10:28] <gnomefreak> chrols: what was it?
[10:29] <chrols> In any case, if I run firefox from my chroot it can't connect wheras outside it can.
[10:29] <asac> gnomefreak: we support it inofficially until it reaches EOL upstream
[10:29] <asac> then we will auto migrate the ffox 2 users to ffox 3
[10:30] <asac> (on their own risk)
[10:30] <gnomefreak> chrols: your missing something in chroot than. iirc i saw that once but i got errors about X
[10:31] <gnomefreak> asac: so we are leaving it until intrepid+1
[10:31] <gnomefreak> since we have 6 months from final 3 release
[10:32] <chrols> gnomefreak: Well I wonder, considering it worked until recently. In any case I think I may manage on my own, thanks for the help though =)
[10:32]  * gnomefreak wonders why a 404 error would have private info unless bugs can be set to not show up at all
[10:32] <gnomefreak> chrols: your welcome
[10:34] <asac> gnomefreak: well ... for intrepid we might consider to remove it
[10:34] <asac> thought you asked about hardy support
[10:35] <gnomefreak> no more interested in firefox-2 in intrepid since upstream EOLS is 6 months after release of 3.0
[10:35] <gnomefreak> that would land us in december/jan.
[10:36] <gnomefreak> hardy is LTS isnt it
[10:37] <gnomefreak> so migrating would be good idea
[10:39]  * gnomefreak could swear im missing something on the 20th but cant remember what the hell it is
[10:39] <gnomefreak> be back smoke
[10:48]  * gnomefreak thought it was called edubuntu
[10:55] <gnomefreak> crimsun: i added PA depends for flash 10 to my repos for hardy to test so i know what is needed for Gutsy but someone is telling me flash still doesnt use PA and i cant remember commands to save my life for PA to check if default and if needed to set as default. If you get a minute can you please post those commands to bug 235135, i have a few meetings today so i might not be around much today
[11:00] <gnomefreak> asac: are we on final 3.0 or RC2?
[11:01] <asac> RC2
[11:05] <gnomefreak> ah ok i was confused since we are branding it as final release
[11:13] <armin76> haha
[11:13] <armin76> asac: see :P
[11:13] <armin76> gnomefreak: i told asac already, but he wants to rice!
[11:17] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 192653 i think is compiz but i set up steps to test to see if it is compiz or not. forgot to add something else
[11:25] <gnomefreak> also new nvidia drivers when land in ubuntu will fix the 9xxx series bugs :)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> and with release of RC1 alot of bugs seem to be fixed :)
[11:32] <asac> gnomefreak: we are not branding it as final ... thats upstream
[11:32] <asac> install rc2 and start it ... there should be no difference to our branding
[11:32] <asac> package name is something functional
[11:32] <asac> not branding
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[11:39] <gnomefreak> asac: cany thing you need for us to push sunbird 0.8 into repos in Hardy im sure backports is right place for it and jdong has been MIA atleast when im around. I have pinged him atleast 2 times a week and no response.
[11:39] <gnomefreak> it seems 0.8 fixes alot of issues since we first released it in PPA
[11:43] <gnomefreak> it should close most if not all lightning/sunbird bugs im sure there are a few it wont fix. 0.9pre is broken atm or i was gonna start on that for PPA but ill wait till upstream fixes it.
[11:49] <gnomefreak> !info opensync-plugin-sunbird hardy
[11:49] <gnomefreak> it should
[11:50] <gnomefreak> nope
[12:06] <valen1> hi
[12:07] <gnomefreak> hi
[12:17] <valen1> hi gnomefreak
[12:20] <valen1> hi asac
[12:21] <valen1> asac: I still haven't seen your reply to fedora mailing list so as per your request I'm reminding you
[13:32] <fta2> http://hg.mozilla.org/index.cgi/mozilla-central/rev/694a9a4d6dcff1db0df2fd92386cd1bf7b7c73e9
[13:32] <fta2> mozilla bug 435739
[13:35] <fta2> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/2008/06/html5_video_codec_downloader.html
[13:43] <fta2> http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2008/06/10/firefox-crash/
[14:01] <Volans> Hi all
[14:21] <valen1> hi
[15:00] <valen1> asac are you here?
[15:03] <asac> valen1: yeah. i read your question. its still in the queue here
[15:04] <valen1> ok, I haven't checked since we spoke, but I checked now and I didn't see your reply so as you requested I'm reminding you
[15:07] <Jazzva> asac ... would you do me a favor of uploading gnome-voice-control patch to intrepid?
[15:07] <Jazzva> It's waiting in the bugreport for about a month, I think...
[15:07] <Jazzva> :)
[15:08] <asac> bug id?
[15:08] <Jazzva> There are people complaining that on some configurations, it doesn't move from "Calibration", but I think it's related prolly to their mic settings
[15:09] <Jazzva> bug 219303
[15:10] <Jazzva> the patch for intrepid is here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-voice-control/+bug/219303/comments/16
[15:10] <Jazzva> Thanks :)
[15:10] <asac> Ill look have to break now for a few
[15:11] <Jazzva> Ok, take your time...
[15:14] <valen1> no prob
[15:39] <valen1> I'm off
[15:39] <valen1> bye
[16:32] <fta2> asac, i still have a merge pending for vim (since May 25th) waiting for Colin's approval, could you do something ? (Bug 234766)
[16:33] <asac> fta2: colin had a hard time the last weeks. give him some time. really.
[16:34] <asac> at least a few more days to catch up urgent things :)
[16:36] <fta2> ok
[16:37] <fta2> i asked because he uploaded a few packages in intrepid recently, but i can wait (it's one of the last packages remaining for the perl 5.10 transition)
[16:40] <bdmurray> asac: I'm awake now
[16:40] <asac> bdmurray: i am mostly off now ;) ... have meeting at 2200 UTC though. will you be around before that?
[16:41] <bdmurray> asac: yes, I'll be around
[16:41] <asac> bdmurray: cool. will ping you (hope!)
[17:07] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone know why I'm still having an issue with sent mail being copied to the sent mail folder?
[18:41] <rzr> hi i am back
[18:42] <rzr> got bug to fix :)
[18:42] <asac> rzr: \o/
[18:46] <rzr> asac: are there plans to merge mozdevscripts in sid too ?
[18:46] <rzr> it's maybe a bit too soon
[18:46] <asac> rzr: if there is demand, yes. otherwise we wait for demand
[18:47] <rzr> then If noone do this i'll RFP it soon or later
[18:56] <rzr> ok Flashblock seems to be fixed upstream
[18:56] <rzr> I tested it
[18:58] <asac> rzr: what was broken?
[18:58] <rzr> well some users reported it crashed for him
[18:59] <rzr> on my box only the icon is hidden
[18:59] <rzr> anyway there is a new upsteam version
[18:59] <rzr> let me push it
[19:09] <rzr> done
[19:13] <rzr> for next meeting , a page on the team workflow would be apreciated
[19:13] <rzr> :)
[19:17] <campd> [reed]: are you optional on this server?
[19:17] <[reed]> campd: lol
[19:23] <asac> rzr: feel free to help setting such a page up
[19:23] <asac> rzr: its easier to see the process for outsiders ... i wont see the important bits as its implicit knowledge
[19:23] <rzr> sure
[19:24] <rzr> the page you made for adding ext was good and clear
[19:24] <rzr> i guess you expected more contributions ?
[19:24] <asac> rzr: not really. we need to do more marketing/communication
[19:25] <asac> e.g. contributions are good so far
[19:26] <asac> can be better of course.
[20:34] <asac> bug #239272
[20:52] <Nukeador> hi all
[21:24] <Jazzva> Hello, Nukeador
[22:06] <asac> bdmurray: avail?
[22:07] <bdmurray> asac: sure
[22:07] <asac> bdmurray: ok .... lets start then ;)
[22:07] <asac> i took a quick look at the current documents in MozillaTeam
[22:07] <asac> top level bug page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[22:08] <asac> now that i look at the content this appears to be a page ment to be send to users as a pointer for specific instructions
[22:09] <bdmurray> I think it is also a good page for triagers wrt questions to ask in bug reports like testing with a new profile
[22:09] <asac> bdmurray: maybe take a brief look at the structure and let me know what you think
[22:11] <asac> anyway, i think this page should really be targetted at users to support them while reporting or answering common questions
[22:11] <asac> problem is that its currently the top level bugs page
[22:12] <bdmurray> Okay, that makes sense to me.  How many users do get obtaining backtraces?
[22:12] <asac> bdmurray: what i dont like is the commonly used http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html link for "How to report bugs"
[22:12] <asac> do we have something better?
[22:12] <asac> you cannot really point any user to that document imo
[22:12] <asac> its more like a book for people that just want to report a bug
[22:12] <bdmurray> right, I never was found of it either
[22:12] <bdmurray> s/found/fond/
[22:13] <bdmurray> henrik wrote up - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs and I've tweaked it a bit
[22:14] <asac> bdmurray: ok. i think i should split up that main page in single pages per topic. we can probably reuse some for both, users and triagers
[22:15] <bdmurray> I'm naturally fond of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTemplate
[22:15] <asac> and maybe make a MozillaTeam/ReportingBugs page based on the main one
[22:15] <bdmurray> but understand that the mozilla one would be quite lengthy
[22:18] <asac> bdmurray: anyway, we should adopt that structure for the mozillateam bug page i guess
[22:19] <bdmurray> I'd like the debugging pages to have the same layout and structure yes
[22:19] <asac> ACTION: redo MozillaTeam/Bugs mainpage and in the form of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTemplate
[22:20] <asac> bdmurray: ok, i think i want to make the bug procedure as loose as possible
[22:20] <asac> bdmurray: i think for now that page should be extended by a list of requirements for confirmed state
[22:21] <asac> i could say: "for crashers we need the following information in description: a), b), c)"
[22:21] <asac> or the description has to be of the following form ...
[22:21] <asac> bdmurray: my main interest is to get all bugs to a proper confirmed form
[22:21] <asac> with help of bugcontrol
[22:22] <asac> from there forward
[22:23] <bdmurray> I think if the bug policy is easier to understand that would help a lot
[22:24] <asac> bdmurray: ok, lets assume that we have a great comprehensive and simple bug procedure drafted. how can we get more bug triagers involved that follow those procedures?
[22:25] <asac> we basically require two groups: new + incomplete triagers AND upstream triagers ;)
[22:27] <bdmurray> asac: I think having monthly bug days for firefox could help draw in more triagers
[22:27] <asac> and i expect that at least doing upstreawm triager requires some skills; can the QA team directly contribute to the upstream triage and thus gather the know-how to teach other bug triagers?
[22:27] <bdmurray> asac: yes, that's something I am willing / interested in helping to do
[22:28] <bdmurray> I think we could hit up the bug control team for that too
[22:28] <asac> bdmurray: ok. i think it would make most sense to have two or three that get the initial feeding and then spread that knowledge to the more and so on
[22:28] <asac> bdmurray: do you know about people that have great bug triaging skills?
[22:29] <asac> do you get to know regular contributors of the bug control team?
[22:29] <bdmurray> asac: I know a couple of people yes and yes
[22:30] <asac> ACTION: get monthly hug days for firefox to get more triagers
[22:31] <asac> ACTION: mentor dedicated bug triagers about mozilla upstream triage to seed initial know-how amount bugcontrol members
[22:32] <asac> ACTION: strip down bug procedure to minimum
[22:33] <asac> bdmurray: please look at the states page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States
[22:33] <asac> how much does that overlap with existing documents
[22:35] <asac> in general i find that information useful
[22:35] <asac> description and tags might be stripped
[22:35] <bdmurray> Not very much at the moment but I think the Aliases for states and goals could be integrated into w.u.c/Bugs/Status
[22:37] <asac> bdmurray: you think its helpful to get a short page for each individual page? e.g. something triagers can easily lookup when working on a bug of a certain state?
[22:37] <asac> or better keep everything on one page
[22:37] <asac> psychology ;)
[22:37] <asac> one big page might make the first-time visiter feel that this is a lot of details and he cant read through all of it ... thus he doesnt even start or look closer
[22:38] <asac> just a guess
[22:38] <bdmurray> I think one page for Bugs/Status is better but it is easy to use moinincludes and break it up
[22:38] <bdmurray> so they could go either way
[22:38] <asac> well ... i agree that its better if the complete page can be like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[22:39] <bdmurray> Right, I think having a page too long is discouraging like the sgtatham thing vs reportingbugs
[22:39] <asac> maybe have a one-page summary like that and more detailed information (for those interested= on individual apges?
[22:39] <asac> so: "a quick start" (to feed them)
[22:40] <asac> and details once they hit particular questions
[22:40] <bdmurray> right so alot of mozillateam/bugs could go to a debuggingtemplate page and then have a working with crashes details page regarding installing dbg symbols and obtatining an apport-crash backtrace
[22:48] <bdmurray> asac: does that help?
[23:03] <asac> bdmurray: meeting now ...
[23:03] <bdmurray> asac: Okay, I'm here for quite a bit still
[23:04] <asac> thx
[23:34] <Oilik> Hello, I am having trouble trying to compile Ubuntu. I've ran into so many errors, but now this one I can't figure out. Can anyone help me please?
[23:38] <asac> Oilik: thats not a mozilla topic. further your question is rather complex to cover in one answer ;)
[23:40] <Oilik> Aw man :( Is there a firefox channel?
[23:40] <Oilik> P.S. if anybody knows, the error was "configure: warning: Recreating autoconf.mk with updated nspr-config output"
[23:52] <asac> he asked about "to compile Ubuntu" ... not firefox
[23:52] <asac> tse
[23:52] <Jazzva> heh...
[23:57] <asac> Jazzva: i have the feeling that i neglected something i was supposed to do for you - again :)
[23:58] <asac> whatever it is ... i feel ashamed for it... for sure ;)
[23:58] <Jazzva> Heh... That's ok :)
[23:58] <Jazzva> It's intrepid patch for gvc...
[23:58] <Jazzva> Do you have time now? Or to bug you later about it...
[23:59] <Jazzva> (I tried asking in ubuntu-motu few times, but nobody reviewed it...)