[02:51] <dominicdinada> How would I install python to work with the lamp server without breaking anything, as usual google has only brought up outdated results from 4 -6 years ago ?
[02:52] <dominicdinada> !python
[02:53] <ScottK> dominicdinada: Python is part of the default Ubuntu server installation.  So it's there already
[02:54] <dominicdinada> ok then i jut need to add the apache module for python ?
[02:54] <ScottK> If, for some reason it's not, sudo apt-get install python should be sufficient.
[02:54] <dominicdinada> i just read that of courst
[02:54] <ScottK> Should be.
[02:54] <dominicdinada> course*
[02:56] <dominicdinada> ScottK: ok here is the link I am looking at. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91101
[02:57] <dominicdinada> But how should I add it to my default sites since that is outdated and my sites is alot different
[03:00] <ScottK> dominicdinada: The package you want to install is libapache2-mod-python
[03:01] <ScottK> There is also a libapache2-mod-python-doc that might help.  I'd also consult the Ubuntu Server Guide (see /topic) and see if it has advice on this.
[03:19] <dominicdinada> how do i disable apache modules that are broken I tried a2dismod mod_pyth but restart still shows a fail and the broken packages are still there even after i just run a2dismod  i see mod_pyth and still nothing
[03:22] <ScottK> That I don't know.
[03:35] <dominicdinada> a2dismod doesnt show mod_python even though i installed the  libapache2-mod-python package but still nothing shows in a2dismod for enabling it
[03:59] <CppIsWeird> what would be the bare requirements for playing videos with mplayer?
[04:14] <dominicdinada> CppIsWeird: if you have mplayer you have the bare requirements
[04:15] <CppIsWeird> obviously not because it still tells me it cant open x11 display. i've installed xorg. is there anything else?
[04:15] <dominicdinada> gnome-desktop
[04:16] <dominicdinada> comes with it all packaged,.... While this is ubuntu typically this is for the regular ubuntu channel.
[04:16] <CppIsWeird> if i wanted gnome desktop i think i would have installed it.
[04:16] <dominicdinada> CppIsWeird: But then why install ubuntu server if you are adding all of these features that makes it less a server and more of a desktop and insecure
[04:18] <CppIsWeird> dominicdinada, thank you. anyone else?
[04:18] <dominicdinada> CppIsWeird: if i were you i would leave the server to server duties and desktop to desktop utils, and ask in #ubuntu
[04:37] <enav> you guys know some good opensource workflow????
[06:21] <_Neytiri_> i am haveing a issue with my network interface, its a gbic interface but its running at 100m the switch is gbic the cable is a good cat6 cable
[06:50] <enav> _Neytiri_:  you have dual boot with winxp?
[09:32] <eagles0513875|2> !routing
[09:32] <eagles0513875|2> O_o
[09:32] <eagles0513875|2> anyone know of any documentation for setting up routing on ubuntu server
[09:35] <_Techie_> eagles0513875|2, routing as in routing tables, or as in setting up a server as a default gateway?
[09:36] <eagles0513875|2> routing tables
[09:37] <eagles0513875|2> hold on
[09:58] <eagles0513875|2> !samba | eagles0513875|2
[10:15] <eagles0513875|2> !unzip
[13:22] <kiu> hi, anybody knows if amazon ec2 instance tags are available inside the official ubuntu ami without using ec2-* tools ?
[14:44] <avvv> Ugh... Just randomly clicking on a couple of php snippets put up on pastebin. Already found two of them which are vulnerable to SQL injection attacks.
[14:53] <Patrickdk> ya, love them
[15:38] <RoyK> 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"
[15:39] <avvv> welcome to the 20th century.
[15:40] <RoyK> :D
[15:49] <xperia> hello to all. i have a question related to ubuntu-server mail. i get several mails for the domains that i host on my server and i need now somehow the possibility to allow others to see this mails. best solution is somekind of webmail or thunderbird fetch and sending
[16:02] <xperia> okay i have found Squirrelmail. thanks a lot see you all next time bye.
[16:44] <aliverius> i ve got a problem
[16:44] <aliverius> i installed ubuntu server 10.04 as a kvm guest with virtio
[16:45] <aliverius> the installation went fine
[16:45] <aliverius> but now that i reboot it cannot boot
[16:46] <aliverius> if i disable virtio for the hdd, it boots fine
[17:34] <ehnde> is eucalyptus anything like xen and vmware's esxi?
[17:35] <ehnde> i'm also trying to figure out if UEC is something that i'd need to pay for
[17:35] <pmatulis> ehnde: uec is free
[17:35] <ehnde> << trying to set up a home lab with one machine that could run up to maybe 5 - 10 virtual machines
[17:35] <ehnde> ok, so it's not like RHEL's offerings
[17:35] <pmatulis> ehnde: you need at minimum 2 physical machines
[17:35] <ehnde> oh...well dang
[17:36] <ehnde> there are so many possible options out there...what would work best to create the lab environment i described?
[17:36] <pmatulis> ehnde: uec gives you a private clouse (like amazon's ec2)
[17:36] <ehnde> i thought i could run it all on one machine
[17:37] <pmatulis> ehnde: there is a hacky way to do that, even all virtually but that's exceptional
[17:37] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[17:38] <ehnde> maybe kvm is the way to go then (for now)
[17:38] <ehnde> at least it's nice to know that UEC exists, that knowledge could come in handy in the future
[17:38] <pmatulis> ehnde: if all you want are virtual machines then yes
[17:39] <eagles0513875> O_o
[17:39] <_ruben> ehnde: if you dont want to use the machine for anything else and do all management etc from another machine, you could give vmware esxi a try, it's a quite powerful barebone hypervizor .. if you do want to use the machine for other stuff, i'd go the kvm way (assuming you have a decent cpu with virtualization extensions)
[17:39] <pmatulis> ehnde: uec gives you a management architecture for rapid deployment of many virtual instances
[17:39] <eagles0513875> there is also virtual box
[17:40] <eagles0513875> there is new feature phpvbox allows you to access the gui from website hehe :)
[17:40] <ehnde> _ruben: i tried out vmware esxi, but the installation failed citing that my hardware was not supported
[17:40] <ehnde> i do have an amd cpu with virtualization extensions, no idea why it failed :|
[17:41] <_ruben> ehnde: ah yes, it is quite picky about that (as its meant for (enterprise) server stuff) .. some of the limitations can be worked around though
[17:41] <_ruben> ehnde: most likely your sata controller
[17:42] <_ruben> uec is kinda "overkill" for a 'static' setup of just a few vms. like pmatulis said: its mainly a management layer for rapid deployment of dynamic environments
[17:42]  * _ruben is afk again
[17:48] <ehnde> hmm...if i install convirt it installs the xen hypervisor and xen-utils
[17:48] <ehnde> seems odd since i'm installing it to use as a front end for kvm
[17:49] <ehnde> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM << lists convirt as an alternative management option
[17:50] <eagles0513875> hey guys how can i fix a machine i have no network access too or kvm switch to in regards to fixing networking i know where my problem is but have no network connectivity to ssh or anything
[17:55] <qman__> eagles0513875, you call someone who has physical access to fix it
[17:55] <ehnde> eagles0513875: you don't by chance have remote desktop set up on the machine do you?
[17:55] <eagles0513875> i have physical access to it
[17:56] <eagles0513875> and ehnde no :( and how can i set that up
[17:56] <ehnde> system > preferences > Remote Desktop
[17:56] <qman__> remote desktop requires X, which is a desktop thing
[17:56] <ehnde> true
[17:56] <qman__> not a server thing
[17:56] <qman__> it also requires working networking
[17:56] <ehnde> if you have physical access why don't you install ssh?
[17:57] <qman__> if there's no IP KVM, serial console, or working networking, physical access is the only way
[17:57] <qman__> plug in a monitor and keyboard
[17:58] <ehnde> sudo init 6
[17:58] <ehnde> oops
[18:04] <eagles0513875> my server has 2 nics and i kinda had a typo with the 2nd nic :(
[18:04] <eagles0513875> for some reason the static ip the server has i cant connect via ssh
[18:06] <eagles0513875> cant ping cant do anything :(
[18:07] <qman__> like I said
[18:08] <qman__> you need to hook up a monitor and keyboard to fix it
[18:08] <eagles0513875> bah and i only have one monitor
[18:08] <eagles0513875> i know where the error is its in the interfaces
[18:09] <ehnde> it looks like virt-manager suits my needs perfectly!
[18:09] <qman__> you're not supposed to hot plug them, but I've been doing it for years and nothing's fried on me yet
[18:09] <ehnde> makes using kvm very easy
[18:10] <qman__> but if your keyboard is PS/2, you'll probably have to reboot the server for it to recognize your keyboard
[18:12] <eagles0513875> its usb this server doesnt even have ps2 at all
[18:12] <eagles0513875> bah this is annoying :(
[18:12] <eagles0513875> only have one monitor
[18:13]  * Patrickdk sends eagles0513875 a monitor, I have 6 19" lcd's I'm not using on this desk
[18:13] <qman__> hah
[18:14] <eagles0513875> hehe ty Patrickdk :)
[18:14] <qman__> I don't have spare LCDs, but I've always got half a dozen CRTs on hand
[18:14] <qman__> after already throwing the worst ones away
[18:14] <eagles0513875> sucks being a student sometimes
[18:14] <qman__> can't give them away
[18:14] <Patrickdk> just shipping is so much :(
[18:14] <qman__> not worth the cost of shipping anywhere
[18:14] <eagles0513875> im thinking easiest solution to drag my server back in here
[18:14] <eagles0513875> fix it then put it back in my room
[18:14] <Patrickdk> or by an ip-kvm
[18:14] <Patrickdk> buy
[18:15] <eagles0513875> how much are those
[18:15] <eagles0513875> im really considering it
[18:15] <Patrickdk> not sure, I haven't looked for years
[18:15] <eagles0513875> atm buying my server a ram upgrade
[18:15] <eagles0513875> from 1gb to 8gb
[18:15] <qman__> I was under the impression those were pretty expensive
[18:15] <qman__> but you can get a USB KVM on the cheap, and some really long extension cables
[18:15] <eagles0513875> ha from my desk lol all the way to my room lol
[18:15] <eagles0513875> mom wont be to happy with that
[18:16] <qman__> a quick search shows the cheapest at $85
[18:16] <qman__> going up into the thousands
[18:16] <eagles0513875> wowie
[18:17] <Patrickdk> heh, i'm look at about $250
[18:17] <qman__> actually, that's just the server module
[18:17] <Patrickdk> much cheaper than last I looked about 1.2k
[18:17] <qman__> not even the whole thing
[18:17] <qman__> but you can get a half decent USB KVM for about $40
[18:17] <qman__> and some long cables at monoprice for another $20
[18:18] <Patrickdk> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707162
[18:18] <Patrickdk> depends on how long, my vga+usb extender was $650, it goes 300' over cat5, nice
[18:19] <qman__> wow
[18:23] <qman__> but yeah, you could go about 40' with a $40 USB KVM and $20 worth of cables
[18:25] <qman__> $40 of cables would get about 100'
[18:26] <qman__> but long VGA cables are pretty heavy
[18:33] <eagles0513875|2> now to see if that fixed it
[18:33] <eagles0513875|2> yay
[18:33] <eagles0513875|2> thats fixed
[18:39] <ehnde> anyone know how to change channels in irssi when you are using it in a tabbed terminal?
[18:39] <ehnde> when i do alt f1 it puts me over to the first tab in the console instead of switching channels on irc
[18:40] <eagles0513875> :)
[18:40] <eagles0513875> ehndegot my problem fixed
[18:41] <ehnde> great
[18:43] <alex_joni> ehnde: my irssi uses alt-1,2.. for channels, not f1
[18:43] <eagles0513875> Patrickdk: :p poke
[18:43] <alex_joni> you can always say /win <nr> too
[18:43] <qman__> yeah, number keys, not F keys
[18:44] <ehnde> oh oops that's what i meant was alt 1
[18:44] <ehnde> heh
[18:44] <ehnde> i didn't know about /win and that will work in place of alt 1/2/3
[18:44] <ehnde> thanks for the tip
[18:45] <qman__> you can change your configuration to bind it to a different key, too
[18:51] <Belliash> hi
[19:15] <eagles0513875> anyone use mysql workbench
[19:16] <ikonia> yes
[19:17] <eagles0513875> for some reason a clean install of mysql server for some reason wont connect to my remote install for some reason via ssh
[19:17] <ikonia> probably because mysql root account is associated to local host only
[19:17] <ikonia> I assume you're trying to connect as "root"
[19:17] <eagles0513875> for now till i can setup another user
[19:18] <ikonia> ok, so that's why
[19:18] <eagles0513875> how could i fix it?
[19:18] <ikonia> login to the root mysql user on the localhost, and create a new user
[19:20] <eagles0513875> this is the error i get when trying to connect with workbench Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[19:20] <ikonia> eagles0513875: is work bench being run on the same host as the database ?
[19:20] <eagles0513875> no
[19:20] <ikonia> then it's not localhost
[19:21] <ikonia> as I've explained, you need to connect to the localhost for mysql as the root user and create a new user
[19:21] <ikonia> the root account is bound to the localhost address/name of the mysql server
[19:21] <eagles0513875> how do i do that on commandline
[19:22] <ikonia> the documentation is on mysql.com
[19:22] <ikonia> remember to flush privileges when you are done though
[19:22] <eagles0513875> ok
[19:22] <ikonia> (important)
[19:23] <eagles0513875> ok
[19:23] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i seem to have a more serious problem though
[19:24] <eagles0513875> trying to login via commandline and im getting this error ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[19:24] <ikonia> explain ?
[19:24] <ikonia> what command are you using ?
[19:24] <eagles0513875> and this is via ssh on the machine that has mysql-server installed on it
[19:24] <ikonia> (exactly)
[19:24] <eagles0513875> mysql -u root -p
[19:24] <eagles0513875> to login
[19:24] <ikonia> is mysql actually running ?
[19:25] <eagles0513875> its saying that it is cuz im setting up workbench to connect to the server via tcp/ip over ssh and ssh connects just fine
[19:25] <ikonia> what ?
[19:25] <ikonia> what's saying it's because you've setup workbend
[19:25] <ikonia> ch
[19:26] <eagles0513875> i have purged mysql-server bout 3 times and reinstalled yet the same problem persists
[19:26] <ikonia> you're not listening to the questions I'm asking
[19:26] <ikonia> what's saying it's because you've setup workbench
[19:27] <eagles0513875> be it work bench or command line i get the same error as a bove about access denied
[19:27] <ikonia> eagles0513875: right - forget workbench, I've explained why that won't work
[19:27] <ikonia> there is no point progressing workbench until you can connect locally
[19:27] <eagles0513875> ok
[19:28] <eagles0513875> what do i need to do
[19:28] <ikonia> what was the question I asked before you started talking about workbench ?
[19:28] <eagles0513875> about the command that i was running
[19:29] <ikonia> then what
[19:29] <eagles0513875> whats sasying its because i setup workbench
[19:29] <eagles0513875> its nothing to do with workbench its somethign on the server im thinking
[19:29] <ikonia> no, I asked if mysql was actually running ?
[19:29] <eagles0513875> and yes it is
[19:29] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with workbench, I've just told you that
[19:30]  * eagles0513875 puts workbench to the side for now
[19:30] <ikonia> why are you repeating what I'm saying like you've just thought about it
[19:30] <ikonia> I just told you that !
[19:30] <ikonia> if you can't connect to the server on the localhost, that's nothing to do with workbench and you clearly have a problem with the database setup
[19:33] <pmatulis> eagles0513875: output to 'sudo lsof -i4tcp:3306 -nP' ?
[19:33] <eagles0513875> hold on a sec
[19:34] <eagles0513875> mysqld  1647 mysql   10u  IPv4   5385      0t0  TCP *:3306 (LISTEN)
[19:35] <pmatulis> eagles0513875: in your command, try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:35] <ikonia> or -h <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:35] <eagles0513875> with which command
[19:35] <eagles0513875> brb
[19:38] <eagles0513875> ikonia: replace that in what command
[19:38] <ikonia> mysql
[19:38] <ikonia> or as pmatulis just do<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:39] <ikonia> <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:40] <eagles0513875> is there a separate package i need to install for pmautils?
[19:40] <ikonia> that's a username
[19:40] <ikonia> there is a user in this channel called pmatulis
[19:41] <eagles0513875> humm ok
[19:41] <ikonia> ?
[19:41] <ikonia> he told you to do the lsof command, that you did, so you must be following/aware of him
[19:41] <eagles0513875> i am
[19:41] <eagles0513875> and i tried the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:41] <ikonia> so why have you just asked if there is a package to install him ?
[19:41] <eagles0513875> and still nothing
[19:42] <eagles0513875> im just lost with what you said -h <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:42] <ikonia> eagles0513875: mysql -u root -h <IP_ADDRESS> -p
[19:42] <ikonia> what's the error that comes back
[19:42] <eagles0513875> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[19:42] <ikonia> eagles0513875: even using -h 127.0.0.l ?
[19:43] <eagles0513875> yep
[19:43] <ikonia> it says "localhost" when you are using -h <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:43] <eagles0513875> thats what came back in the error
[19:44] <ikonia> ok, then you need to start mysql with the "--skip-grant-tables" option to remove the permissions from the database, then set a new root password, re-start mysql without the --skip-grant-tables option and test
[19:44] <eagles0513875> ok ill try that later going to have dinner
[19:46] <eagles0513875> ikonia: couldnt i just purge mysql server and manually delete the user db that it creates?
[19:46] <ikonia> no
[19:46] <ikonia> you need to walk through this to resolve the issue, as you said you've tried purging it multiple times
[19:47] <eagles0513875> the only thing i can think of is a corrupt user db that is being created
[19:47] <eagles0513875> or that isnt getting purged
[19:47] <ikonia> user db's don't affect permissions
[19:48] <eagles0513875> ok
[19:48] <ikonia> I suggest you follow my suggestion
[19:48] <eagles0513875> thanks for your help ikonia ill follow your suggestion
[19:48] <ikonia> welcome
[19:49] <eagles0513875> tbh ikonia i have no idea what i did today :( it was working fine till i killed it :( came to setup a 2nd db for oscommers and everythign just broke itself
[20:43] <latenite> Hi folks, I have a Dell server with scsi controlers for the harddiscs. Ubunutu 10.10 is not showing any discs under /dev . What modules would I have to loead to make scsi work? thanks :)
[20:43] <ikonia> latenite: what controllers ?
[20:44] <latenite> those http://pastie.org/1228255
[20:45] <latenite> ikonia, I realy dont know why I have 3 of them? and who is who...
[20:45] <ikonia> they are both well supported
[20:45] <ikonia> what mode are they in, jbod or raid ?
[20:45] <latenite> all I DO know is I have TWO hdd  and ONE DAT streamer
[20:45] <latenite> all beeing scsci
[20:45] <ikonia> can you please show me the output of "sudo fdisk -l" on that system in a pastebin please.
[20:46] <dschuett> any reason why i should upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10?
[20:46] <ikonia> dschuett: read the release notes, see if there is anything you want
[20:46] <ikonia> dschuett: for a server, keeping LTS support in 10.04 is a reason not to upgrade
[20:47] <dschuett> ikonia, thanks. - just wanted a second opinion
[20:47] <latenite> http://pastie.org/1228264 that ONLY show the usb stick I booted from
[20:48] <ikonia> latenite: open the cards bio's and see if they show the disks, and what status they are in
[20:48] <latenite> ikonia, How would I do that? opening he bios would requiere to shut it down?
[20:48] <ikonia> latenite: it would use
[20:48] <ikonia> oops
[20:49] <ikonia> "it would, yes"
[20:49] <ikonia> sorry
[20:49] <qman__> when it says "press F5 to enter RAID setup" or whatever, press that key combination
[20:50] <latenite> ikonia, ok that takes a minute....hold on :)
[20:52] <latenite> ikonia, ok firt in boot sequence is "LSI - Logic Bus Adapers" Do we need that? or next..?
[20:52] <ikonia> latenite: work through all 3 of them to see which one has the disks and what status they are in
[20:54] <latenite> ok...
[20:54] <latenite> let see
[20:56] <latenite> ikonia, man there is SOO much stuff I ve never seen bevore
[20:56] <latenite> dont know where to start
[20:56] <latenite> ...sadly I cant make a screenshot :(
[20:56] <ikonia> latenite: if it's a dell box, you can actually contact dell and they will walk you through the basics, they are quite good with that sort of thing
[20:58] <latenite> ok I see on SCSI ID #7 at slot A and B.......... and DAT tape at SCSI ID #6
[21:00] <latenite> ikonia, next iin boot sequence is RAID... here is see "Ch-0 ID-0 DISK MAXTOR - READY" for both hdd
[21:01] <ikonia> latenite: looks like the card can see the disks ok, that's a good start
[21:01] <ikonia> latenite: the disks either need to be set to jbod, or raid mode
[21:02] <latenite> ikonia, in RAID setup I can switsch beween "READY" and "ONLIN" status of discs
[21:02] <latenite> waht is jbod?
[21:02] <ikonia> online is good
[21:03] <latenite> I want software raid1 lateron...but not by the controller
[21:03] <ikonia> why do you want software raid
[21:03] <ikonia> those cards are good cards and well supported
[21:03] <latenite> I might have to change hardare soon.
[21:04] <ikonia> ??
[21:05] <latenite> ikonia, its all ne to me...BUT I HEARD taht if I use differen raid controllers then I might not get my old raid back.
[21:05] <latenite> is that true?
[21:05] <ikonia> you don't balance the raid over different controllers
[21:05] <ikonia> you use the same controller to do the raid
[21:06] <latenite> ikonia, so if I have different hardware soon my old controllers will be gone...and the new ones will/might not make my old raid work? right?
[21:06] <ikonia> ahh right, yes, that is very likley to be a problem unless they are from the same chipset
[21:07] <latenite> that s why I rather stick with sw-raid
[21:07] <latenite> is it that bad? to use
[21:07] <ikonia> why are you swapping those controllers out
[21:07] <ikonia> software raid on linux is very good, no problem using it
[21:08] <latenite> I might swat the whole box...this one is "ok" but will be replaced by a better one.
[21:09] <ikonia> in that senario I'd suggest either a.) doing a new install onto that box b.) copying the file systems (not swapping the disks) onto the new system
[21:09] <latenite> ok that "might" have beeb IT. Those HDDs never where "ONLINE" only "ready"
[21:09] <ikonia> those cards are good cards, it would be a shame not to use them
[21:09] <latenite> let s see
[21:11] <latenite> ikonia, If linux sw-raid is "good" why not use it...for compatibility reasons
[21:12] <ikonia> because it's not gaurenteed to work in other machines either, and if you've got good hardware raid controllers, why not use them for performance/stability reasons
[21:12] <ikonia> of course it's totally your call how you setup your kit
[21:13] <latenite> now I am in last boot sequence whereI can define "boot Sequence": but it only show my USB-Pen-drive...there are no HDDs to be seen
[21:14] <latenite> is that faulty? or OK because they are scsi
[21:14] <ikonia> define boot sequence ?
[21:14] <ikonia> what is asking you to define boot sequence ?
[21:15] <latenite> it like a "regular" bios now: set time, and the "order of" he devices the box boots from. normaly you set CD/DVD 1st , than HDD1 2nd, and so on
[21:15] <latenite> but here it only show my pendrive...no further HDDs
[21:15] <ikonia> I have no idea, I can't remember the bios settings,
[21:15] <latenite> sure :)
[21:16] <latenite> I ll just boot any try..
[21:16] <ikonia> latenite: if the disks are in jbod mode, then you should see them in a boot menu, if they are in raid mode, then you won't see them until you build an array
[21:16] <latenite> ikonia, what is jbod mode?
[21:17] <ikonia> non-raid mode
[21:17] <latenite> can I do taht without "TAKING THE CONTROLER OUT" ?
[21:17] <ikonia> yes, it's a raid controller mode/bios feature
[21:18] <latenite> can I leave them on the raidcontroller usning them in ...
[21:18] <latenite> ooh o
[21:18] <latenite> ok
[21:18] <latenite> let me see what I did choose then..
[21:18] <ikonia> it means use the raid controller as a raid card (raid mode) or as a regular disk controller (jbod)
[21:18] <ikonia> just a bunch of disks (jbod)
[21:19] <latenite> funny shortform :)
[21:21] <latenite> ikonia, ok booted ubuntu again and got some more devices: http://pastie.org/1228341
[21:21] <latenite> how would I know if any of those are my disks?
[21:21] <ikonia> sudo fdisk -l
[21:21] <latenite> I only dealt with "/dev/sda" for now
[21:22] <ikonia> lets see what fdisk says
[21:22] <latenite> http://pastie.org/1228343
[21:22] <latenite> not more than before
[21:22] <ikonia> latenite: thats annoying
[21:22] <latenite> bit I swear I did not have /dev/sg* /dev/st* before
[21:23] <ikonia> latenite: run sudo fdisk /dev/sdt
[21:23] <ikonia> oops
[21:23] <ikonia> sg are the scsi controllers, I assume st is the other
[21:24] <latenite> root@box:/home/user# fdisk -l /dev/st0
[21:24] <latenite> just takes for ever...no response
[21:24] <ikonia> that's your tape drive
[21:24] <ikonia> latenite: mt -f /dev/st0 status
[21:25] <latenite> mt -f /dev/st0 status takes for ever also
[21:25] <latenite> let it run or "ctrl -C" ?
[21:25] <ikonia> it will do
[21:25] <ikonia> let it run
[21:25] <latenite> ok
[21:25] <ikonia> it's a tape drive
[21:25] <ikonia> I assume you have the tape drive terminated
[21:25] <latenite> yes
[21:25] <latenite> now I do  "mt -f /dev/st0 status"...
[21:25] <latenite> is taht ok?
[21:26] <ikonia> yes
[21:26] <latenite> ok...for how long? WHAT is taking up so much time here?
[21:26] <ikonia> it's a tape drive, they are slow
[21:26] <latenite> I dont hava a tape in...
[21:26] <latenite> is taht ok?
[21:26] <ikonia> fine
[21:26] <ikonia> it should report back off line
[21:27] <latenite> mt: /dev/st0: rmtopen failed: No medium found
[21:27] <latenite> just did! :)
[21:27] <ikonia> perfect
[21:27] <ikonia> so you know that's all good
[21:27] <latenite> cool
[21:27] <latenite> so what are the discs?
[21:27] <ikonia> check the bios for the disk mode
[21:27] <ikonia> it's possible they are in raid mode (seeing the controllers sg0) but not the disks, if they are in raid mode, with no array defined, you won't see them
[21:28] <cjc> Hello anyone here good at networking please?
[21:28] <ikonia> cjc: just ask
[21:28] <latenite> ok let be get back into bios and check :)
[21:28] <cjc> I need help bridging two network connections please
[21:28] <ikonia> ok, with a bridge device, or just using routing
[21:29] <cjc> two networking interfaces on my local machine?
[21:29] <ikonia> yes, but with a bridge device, or using routing
[21:30] <cjc> please explain what you mean?
[21:30] <ikonia> you can either use a networking device on your server called a bridge device/interface, or just setup routing with something like iptables to bridge the two
[21:31] <latenite> ikonia, on the other hand: if it IS in raid mode...hwo would I make it see the disk then?
[21:31] <cjc> what do you mean by a networking device?
[21:31] <ikonia> latenite: you either need to change it to jbod, or configure a raid arrary
[21:32] <ikonia> array
[21:32] <ikonia> cjc: lookup tun and bridge devices
[21:32] <latenite> ikonia, and configuring an array would be done....HOW? in bios?
[21:32] <ikonia> latenite: correct
[21:33] <latenite> ok back to bios....
[21:34] <cjc> are you talking about physical bridge devices?
[21:35] <ikonia> cjc: they are a physical device to the server, but not an actual device
[21:45] <latenite> ikonia, I can chane the disks from "ready" to "online" but the state is NEVER saved...when going back into that menu they are "ready" again....this is annoying
[22:02] <latenite> ikonia, is there a chance that IF I just define 2 "logical drives" and not MOZT put them in an "array" in bios...taht THIS is how I had to setup "jbod"?
[22:12] <durbin> Does anyone know where I can grab an iso of the ubuntu server ec2 instance for use with virtualbox?
[22:14] <latenite> hi folks, Say what is "so special" (no offense -> I just dont know better) about a server edition ? what comes with it, and what does ot come withot compared to a regular desktop ubuntu? thanks
[22:15] <durbin> :latenite the gui is the biggest thing that doesn't come with the server edition
[22:15] <Datz> the kernel is also optimized for server
[22:16] <Datz> probably more changes now: http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3715071/Ubuntu-Server--Kernel-Configuration-Considerations.htm
[22:17] <Datz> as that is 7.10 kernel
[22:17] <Datz> I wish someone would do and publish stuff like that more often
[22:18] <ikonia> latenite: first of all, sorry for the slow response, second, I can't remember the raid card bios options from memory so can't follow exactly what your saying, third, the server edition has some optimisations in that are aimed at true enterprise hardware
[22:19] <durbin> in case anyone was wondering where to find the EC2 images, they are here http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/release/
[22:20] <latenite> ikonia, I just made both drives "logcial" + "online" and inittailzed them. now I have http://pastie.org/1228477
[22:21] <latenite> ikonia, how do I "MAKE SURE" it truely is NO raid?
[22:21] <ikonia> latenite: now that looks great
[22:21] <ikonia> latenite: the raid options are set in the card, so I don't know without having the raid card bios details in front of me
[22:21] <latenite> ikonia, I am happy , too :)
[22:22] <latenite> ikonia, well I can format /dev/sda differnetly than /dev/sdb So I "feel" they are independent ? right?!
[22:22] <ikonia> latenite: from that point of view, totally
[22:23] <latenite> so I am at a point where I am good to go...
[22:23] <ikonia> certainly looks that way
[22:23] <latenite> man thank you very much for your help :) very appreciute it .
[22:23] <ikonia> welcome
[22:24] <latenite> ikonia, can you answer the quetion above..about "what makes -server edition" so special?
[22:24] <latenite> different kernel config?
[22:24] <latenite> other tools?
[22:24] <ikonia> latenite: I did respond earlier
[22:24] <latenite> no X ?
[22:24] <latenite> ohh..my fault
[22:25] <ikonia> it's tuned to run on enterprise level hardware, it doesn't bother with home user kit like nvidia/ati accelerated drivers
[22:25] <latenite> ikonia, on so no X..what else?
[22:25] <ikonia> no X by default, lvm installed by default etc etc
[22:25] <ikonia> the base product is the same, but it's more usefully setup and tuned to enterprise level servers
[22:25] <latenite> sounds like I might want that?
[22:25] <_Techie_> also works charms on hoem servers
[22:26] <_Techie_> home*
[22:26] <latenite> any pitfalls?...I generely use gentoo.
[22:26] <ikonia> latenite: do you want a gui, yes/no ?
[22:26] <latenite> ikonia, no
[22:26] <ikonia> latenite: are you running on a true dell "server" platform
[22:27] <ikonia> or a home desktop type setup
[22:28] <latenite> http://pastie.org/1228489
[22:28] <ikonia> latenite: that's just a list of hardware
[22:28] <ikonia> latenite: I'm asking are you using a dell server, or a desktop type machine
[22:28] <_Techie_> latenite, hes using a proper dell poweredge server
[22:28] <latenite> system     PowerEdge 1800
[22:29] <latenite> yes
[22:29] <ikonia> latenite: ok, so the server install would be very nice
[22:29] <latenite> ikonia, _Techie_ I dont realy see the difference betwwen "server" and "desktop" box?
[22:29] <latenite> what would differntiate them?...cpu power?
[22:29] <latenite> chipsets?
[22:30] <_Techie_> all sorts of different things
[22:30] <_Techie_> cache, hard drive speed
[22:30] <_Techie_> redundancy
[22:30] <latenite> they are all differnt from box to box...no matter if server or desktop
[22:30] <_Techie_> efficiency
[22:30] <ikonia> latenite: the hardware in them is quite different
[22:30] <ikonia> latenite: hence why a server class raid card is $800 and a home desktop has one built into it's motherboard
[22:31] <martin-> even mdadm beats built-in/fakeraid
[22:31] <latenite> ikonia, oh ok so it all about "what hardware" is build into the bos? like that?
[22:31] <ikonia> martin-: by a mile
[22:31] <ikonia> latenite: part of it
[22:32] <latenite> ....in the end ALL hardware is supported (or saadly not ..) by the kernel.... I still dont see the diff?
[22:32] <_Techie_> i gotta start shifting my computer, seeya tonight
[22:32] <latenite> _Techie_, thanks... bye :)
[22:33] <latenite> ikonia, to me ot s all about what is supported by the kernel ..and how powerfull the hardware is.
[22:33] <latenite> these two parameters....are both to be found in "servers" + "desktops"
[22:34] <ikonia> latenite: nothing to do with "power" although things like large memory support is enabled
[22:34] <latenite> ...I dont mean to stess...but I dont see the difference
[22:35] <latenite> Ok so in the end ist just about "tuning"....any linux with the right kernelconfig anf tools will do
[22:35] <latenite> right?
[22:35] <ikonia> yes
[22:35] <latenite> serveredition make it more convinient
[22:35] <latenite> so why not use it?...I ll try it! :)
[22:35] <ikonia> look at RHEL, it's the same product on the desktop and server, it's setup very different though and has a different set of kernel options, but it makes them behave quite different
[22:37] <latenite> sure...good example :9
[22:37] <latenite> I could do a "lfs" and and up with a propper server as wel..it all about how much "finetuning" i want?
[22:38] <latenite> like that?
[22:38] <latenite> is there a link that tell s me more about ubuntu-server edition?
[22:38] <ikonia> latenite: how is lfs more of a proper server than ubuntu server ?
[22:39] <latenite> ikonia, not at all... they are the same to me
[22:39] <ikonia> ok
[22:39] <latenite> onewth more work to do...
[22:40] <latenite> in the end the result in the system "I" want...
[22:40] <latenite> So I just wonder how much work is taken of my hand when choosing ubuntu server...
[22:41] <latenite> compared to my other probale choice "gentoo chroot setup"
[22:41] <ikonia> quite a lot, its a very sane setup
[22:41] <ikonia> ubuntu server takes about 15 minutes to install, you do the maths
[22:42] <latenite> ikonia, if I was not concerned about time....ONLY results (which I realy am *not*) is there anything ubunut does better or differnt than others?
[22:43] <ikonia> latenite: not really, somethings better, some things worse than others, at the heart all distros are the same product
[22:43] <latenite> ikonia, I realy like gentoo (on big dislike is compile time)...but I am also very temptetd to try ubuntu
[22:45] <ikonia> latenite: give it a try
[22:45] <latenite> times ago I used debian and had some  issues with dependencies not beeing solved right....
[22:45] <latenite> is there anythink to say about that "bugger" on ubuntu?
[22:45] <ikonia> the repos and dependencies are very tidy
[22:46] <latenite> ikonia, you know what...I will! let go 4 ubunut once :)
[22:46] <ikonia> if you don't like it, you can always swap
[22:46] <ikonia> it has it's positives and it's negatives as with any linux distro
[22:46] <latenite> is there a way to "debootstrap" it from within a chroot (thats how I mostly setup my boxes)
[22:46] <ikonia> trust me, you don't want to go that way
[22:46] <ikonia> just install, and configure,
[22:46] <latenite> why?
[22:47] <ikonia> ubuntu's put together for you, trust it
[22:47] <latenite> I mostly only have ssh access to the boxes
[22:47] <ikonia> that's a drag
[22:47] <ikonia> you can do it,
[22:48] <ikonia> don't think it's an official method though
[22:48] <latenite> ikonia, I dont get why debootraping the ubuntu-server tree is bad?
[22:48] <ikonia> the installer doesn't expect it
[22:48] <latenite> should n that be just the same as installing from CD?
[22:49] <latenite> what installer? I am lost *laughes*
[22:49] <ikonia> nah, the cd sets things up for you, that said you can debootstrap it
[22:49] <ikonia> when you boot the server cd - it goes through an install routine
[22:50] <latenite> oh like setting up locales and stuff?
[22:50] <ikonia> part of it yes
[22:51] <latenite> ok I i will try ubuntu on this server BUT I will debootstrap it. Using a CD will not help me in the future..since I almost never have acces to the box
[22:51] <ikonia> go for it
[22:52] <latenite> could you link me to a tutorial on ubuntu debootsraping?
[22:52] <ChmEarl> latenite, what OS is on the host?
[22:52] <ikonia> I certainly don't have one, I don't think there will be an official guide
[22:52] <latenite> gentoo
[22:53] <latenite> no no..for now it s a ubunut pendrive
[22:53] <latenite> but only because the box is right aside of me
[22:53] <ikonia> must go
[22:54] <ikonia> good luck
[22:54] <latenite> ikonia, have fun :=) thanks again