[12:00] <dooglus> is it normal for ubuntu to install every package that has ever been created when you first log into it?
[12:00] <topyli> mako: ah, i'll lurk for a while then :)
[12:00] <DenisG> isn't there any alternative to the boot iso?
[12:01] <dooglus> it's installing over 600 packages, apparently.
[12:01] <dooglus> that's in addition to the ones it installed when I ran the installer.
[12:01] <runelind> I have firefox 1.0.2 in kubuntu which likes to crash pretty regularly, is there an updated package?  apt doesn't seem to have a newer version
[12:01] <k31th> yo
[12:02] <wolverian> runelind: are you sure it's not a plugin that is causing it? (e.g. java or some such?) ff is very stable for me.
[12:02] <othernoob> does anyone know of a site that shows the growth of linux over the years ?
[12:02] <runelind> I have a feeling it is flash
[12:02] <nickrud> othernoob, linuxcounter.org
[12:03] <m4x> is anyone here using dual flat-panel monitors successfully?
[12:03] <nickrud> othernoob, I'v forgotten it :)
[12:03] <dooglus> m4x: I am.
[12:04] <runelind> yeah I'm sure it is the flash plugin
[12:04] <runelind> I removed it, and it seems stable now
[12:04] <nickrud> othernoob, counter.li.org
[12:04] <dooglus> m4x: they're both showing a page of scrolling text, "setting up totem-gstreamer", "setting up tsclient", etc, etc, and have been for a long, long time.
[12:04] <runelind> I'm trying flashplayer-mozilla
[12:05] <othernoob> nickrud: thanks :) i watched revolution os the other day again and i've been wondering about its current usage since :)
[12:06] <nickrud> othernoob, what's revolution os?
[12:06] <othernoob> :O:O
[12:06] <dooglus> nickrud: it's a movie
[12:06] <dooglus> nickrud: about the free software / open source movements
[12:06] <runelind> yeah that works much better
[12:06] <cyphase> hey everyone
[12:06] <runelind> weird that they're still using 1.0.2 of firefox though
[12:06] <nickrud> hm, is it free?
[12:06] <saber_> man.. all the good dvd backup sites are in Dutch (.de)
[12:06] <othernoob> nickrud: go to wikipedia and search for it
[12:07] <thingfish> that's Germany
[12:07] <dooglus> nickrud: no.  it was a commercial movie i believe.
[12:07] <KingArthur> hello all.  Just curious, I've got a pentium M laptop, and I'm trying to figure out if I could use the i586 kernal image and if so, would it be any better then the 386 one that I have currently
[12:07] <thingfish> KingArthur: you can even use the i686 image.
[12:07] <othernoob> nickrud: there's a download link, but poor quality..the dvd costs like $20...20 something
[12:07] <mjr> you could; it might be marginally faster
[12:07] <KingArthur> are there any advantages to using the 686 image over the 386 with a Pentium M?
[12:08] <nickrud> othernoob, I was kinda joking, but if its downloadable, i guess is is free :)
[12:08] <Inder> ok
[12:09] <Ryan_> 25% downloaded :(
[12:09] <othernoob> nickrud: well the link is on wikipedia :) but the quality isn't very good, however, before purchasing the dvd id go for it as well
[12:10] <KingArthur> I'm currently updating my system with the 2.6.10 kernal image for i386, but I wanted to know if it would be just as wize to update to the i686 image with my laptop's M processor.  If I would see any sort of optimizations, or if it would just be bloated.  Also, if I decided to switch to the i686, would all my hardware still work fine without a recompile of stuff?  *I'm a semi newbie*
[12:11] <dave_> Yes, KingArthur.
[12:12] <dave_> Bear in mind the 686-kernel will not REPLACE the 386 one, it will be added.
[12:12] <thingfish> KingArthur: the i686 image is better suited for more modern processors, and the image can deal with more than 900MB ram.  You would not have to recompile anything at all.
[12:12] <liran> hey all
[12:12] <liran> gstreamer-0.8
[12:12] <dave_> If you run an AMD processor, you'll want the k6-k7 kernel package
[12:12] <liran> im getting compiling errors
[12:12] <TestDummy> Work >_< !
[12:12] <liran> with gstreamer-0.8 missing package
[12:12] <liran> but apt-get cant find it
[12:13] <KingArthur> thanks guys.  I'll be getting the i686 soon as the i386 is updated
[12:13] <thingfish> I think you need to enable universe and multiverse, liran.
[12:13] <thingfish> in order for it to be apt-gettable.
[12:13] <liran> anyone?
[12:13] <dave_> liran, what are the exact error messages?
[12:14] <TestDummy> Anybody know why my computer freezes up during boot, but tries to probe for non-existant drives when in Recovery Mode?
[12:14] <HiddenWolf> guys, if fdisk /dev/sda returns an error, yet the disk is there, and working, then what is wrong with the filesystem?
[12:14] <TestDummy> (I've asked on the forum and here, nobody seems know have any ideas =(  )
[12:14] <dave_> TestDummy, are you using special graphics drivers?
[12:14] <TestDummy> Nope.
[12:14] <TestDummy> This is right after install, I haven't installed anything
[12:14] <TestDummy> Although, it is an old ATi card..
[12:14] <dave_> HiddenWolf, it may be the physical size differs from the size given in the boot sector.
[12:15] <liran> dave_:  No package 'gstreamer-0.8' found
[12:15] <liran> configure: error: you need gstreamer development packages installed !
[12:15] <TestDummy> I forget which model exactly, but it's old
[12:15] <dave_> TestDummy, does gnome crash after, say, about 20 seconds?
[12:15] <Jormundgand> How should I go about installing a font which is in TTF form?
[12:15] <TestDummy> It doesn't even get near to starting Gnome
[12:15] <dave_> By hand, Jormundgand
[12:15] <TestDummy> It gets to "Starting Ubuntu" and stops
[12:15] <superted> does anyone know when firefox 1.0.4 is coming?
[12:15] <Jormundgand> dave_: How would I do it though?
[12:15] <TestDummy> If I do recovery mode, it tries to probe for drive IRQ's for drives that don't even exist in my computer
[12:16] <liran> dave_ ?
[12:16] <nickrud> superted, 1.0.2 has the significant changes backported from 1.0.4
[12:16] <dave_> Jormundgand, http://moisty.org/~brion/linux/TrueType-HOWTO.html
[12:16] <superted> nickrud: ok, thanks
[12:16] <TestDummy> But, outside of that
[12:16] <TestDummy> I have no clue whatsoever is wrong with the thing
[12:16] <nickrud> superted, the only problem is extensions, and firefox's extention page has a link to the fix
[12:16] <TestDummy> It gives no output or errors, just locks up when booting
[12:16] <FiReWoRkS> Hi, just installed ubuntu but cant manage to get to graphic mode... what i am supposed to do?
[12:17] <dave_> TestDummy, did you test your memory? Tried booting another kernel?
[12:17] <liran> dave_ ?
[12:17] <mattlins> How do I remove a full dir with sub dirs?
[12:17] <TestDummy> How can I even get another kernel when this one computer isn't connected to the Internet??
[12:17] <TestDummy> And..
[12:17] <TestDummy> No, I haven't tested the memory
[12:17] <thingfish> mattlins: rm -Rf
[12:17] <TestDummy> But Warty worked fine on it
[12:18] <dave_> mattlins, rm -rf dir
[12:18] <dave_> TestDummy, then it's most likely not a hardware problem.
[12:18] <mattlins> thanks, and how do I remove a package that I installed with apt get-install?
[12:18] <liran> pepole,whats the package name in ubuntu for gaim-vv?
[12:18] <TestDummy> Then what?? :|
[12:18] <runelind> apt-get remove
[12:18] <mattlins> thanks
[12:18] <nickrud> liran, libgstreamer0.8-dev
[12:18] <dave_> Hmmm..did you try booting Knoppix or Helix, perchance?
[12:19] <k31th> i really need to stop torren pening all my video files
[12:19] <k31th> it sux
[12:19] <TestDummy> Uh, not really.
[12:20] <TestDummy> But anohter one I tried did the same thing
[12:20] <liran> nickrud and for gaim-vv ?
[12:20] <TestDummy> I think that computer isn't very penguin friendly =(
[12:20] <phenotype> is there a faq that anyone knows about to set up a ubuntu os on a Raid 0
[12:20] <MonkeyBonkey> :(
[12:20] <MonkeyBonkey> im so upset
[12:21] <phenotype> have a bannana
[12:21] <MonkeyBonkey> Ive been trying to installl ICEWM on Ubuntu and i cant get it to work
[12:21] <xenos> What are the differences between different distributions of linux
[12:21] <MonkeyBonkey> Can someone explain to me how to install Ice wm on ubuntu
[12:21] <liran> nickrud and for gaim-vv ?
[12:21] <MonkeyBonkey> oh ya and i dont have internet on my computer that i have ubuntu on
[12:21] <nickrud> liran, I'm not even sure what that is.
[12:22] <nickrud> why are you compiling it, anyway?
[12:22] <MonkeyBonkey> nickrud, can u help me
[12:22] <xenos> hey nickrud
[12:22] <liran> nickrud: its video chat for gaim
[12:22] <saber_> Ah! A version of transcode that does not break anything: http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[12:22] <nickrud> hey xenos, MonkeyBonkey
[12:22] <MonkeyBonkey> i got all the Icewm packages and then i dont know what to do,
[12:22] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, you got them all?
[12:23] <MonkeyBonkey> i tryed using dpkg -i and then it says dependent on blah blah blah error
[12:23] <nickrud> that must have been fun
[12:23] <MonkeyBonkey> nickrud how do i install
[12:23] <mattlins> How do I know if I am running Warty or Hoary?  I have version 5.
[12:23] <MonkeyBonkey> do i just go dpkg -i ?????????.deb
[12:23] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, then you need those dependencies also
[12:23] <MonkeyBonkey> well can u get me all the packages and dependencys, zip them and send em to me over irc?
[12:24] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, just a sec
[12:24] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[12:24] <MonkeyBonkey> :(|)
[12:24] <TestDummy> mattlins: Hoary is 5.04 last I checked
[12:24] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, put all the debs in their own directory, and in that directory dpkg -i * , if you have all the dependencies, that should work, I think
[12:25] <MonkeyBonkey> but what dependencies do i need
[12:25] <topyli> MonkeyBonkey: you should take a look at wajig
[12:25] <jose666> hi??
[12:25] <nickrud> topyli, he has no internet
[12:25] <MonkeyBonkey> and what directory do i put them in
[12:25] <jose666> #algo
[12:25] <MonkeyBonkey> is it ok if its on a cd
[12:25] <topyli> arf, sorry
[12:25] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, cd is fine
[12:25] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> but what dependencys do i need
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> for icewm
[12:26] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, you really need that apt-zip thing I told you about, it will figure out the dependencies for you
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> hmmm
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> do i need internet for that apt-zip
[12:26] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[12:27] <nqt> is it pronounced yoo-buntu or oo-buntu?
[12:27] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, no, it creates a script you take to another machine, download the packages, and sneakernet them back to your machine
[12:27] <MonkeyBonkey> wait i think i found the dependencies online
[12:27] <MonkeyBonkey> online it just says i need Imlib
[12:27] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, you are making your life hard.
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> which one do i download
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/imlib/
[12:28] <heulsay> just booted ubuntu for the first time, i think it rock ! quite easy to install
[12:28] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, I don't compile (or very seldom), I use packages
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> well where can i get a imlib package
[12:29] <MonkeyBonkey> found it
[12:29] <liran> What is the package name in ubuntu for gaim-vv ?
[12:29] <underline> wazzup dudes... could anyone tell me if ubuntu's server is with some kind of lag!! i'm donwloading a ISO of ubuntu 5.04 during all the day =p
[12:30] <othernoob> mmh, how do i remove a kernel ?
[12:30] <MonkeyBonkey> whats the properway to install the packages,  dpkg -i ??????.deb?
[12:30] <phenotype> you can try linuxiso.org
[12:31] <othernoob> MonkeyBonkey: yes, afaik
[12:31] <phenotype> underline
[12:31] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, one last time, dpkg -i * in the deb directory
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[12:31] <nickrud> MonkeyBonkey, do them all at once
[12:31] <mrknisely> I am having issues with my sound not working.  Anyone willing to help me troubleshoot it?
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz to install im lib it says
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/imlib &&
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> make &&
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> make install
[12:31] <underline> phenotype great... thanks... but its already finishing... about 96% ;P
[12:31] <underline> i could though that earlier =p
[12:31] <MonkeyBonkey> can i install imlib by going dpkg -i?
[12:31] <underline> kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[12:31] <spinifex> hey, I installed kdm, and then enlightenment, but kdm doesn't list enlightenment under sessions.  How do I fix this, or how do I switch back to gdm?
[12:32] <nickrud> spinifex, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[12:32] <iepa> Hello
[12:32] <iepa> Good night
[12:33] <MonkeyBonkey> hi
[12:33] <underline> iepa hi... wazzup
[12:33] <iepa> I'm trying to configure my new wifi card
[12:33] <MonkeyBonkey> is SuSE good?
[12:33] <spinifex> thank you
[12:33] <underline> iepa wich one??
[12:33] <iepa> the matter is that is not visible
[12:33] <thingfish> MonkeyBonkey: the suse people like to think so.
[12:33] <iepa> f5d7011
[12:33] <iepa> that's the model
[12:33] <iepa> I have installed ndiswrapper
[12:34] <MonkeyBonkey> whats better suse or Ubuntu?
[12:34] <goldfish> ubuntu
[12:34] <MonkeyBonkey> why
[12:34] <thingfish> MonkeyBonkey: you have to try them for yourself and decide.
[12:34] <underline> MonkeyBonkey UBUNTU =p
[12:34] <mrknisely> I have a ES1978 Maestro 2E Sound card that is not working.
[12:34] <underline> iepa wich manufacturer??? =p
[12:34] <iepa> and finally choosing not the default .inf , other one, it says driver ok!
[12:34] <thingfish> IMHO, anything based on Debian is better than anything based on rpm.
[12:34] <mrknisely> Can someone help me troubleshoot it?
[12:34] <iepa> belkin, sorry underline
[12:34] <liran> sorry to ask it here,but anyone knows a tool that works like partition magic for windows? i need one for free
[12:34] <FiReWoRkS> hi... i just installed ubuntu but could not managet to get to the graphic mode... what should I do?
[12:34] <iepa> I have been reading and I have not found nothing
[12:35] <mrknisely> Liran, QTparted works great.
[12:35] <thingfish> FiReWoRkS: any error messages?
[12:35] <iepa> thanks in advance underlin
[12:35] <iepa> thanks in advance underline
[12:35] <liran> mrknisely: for windows?
[12:35] <underline> iepa anytime
[12:35] <goldfish> cfdisk is nice
[12:36] <MonkeyBonkey> n e 1 tryed gentoo?
[12:36] <FiReWoRkS> no, I just cant get to it... when i start the computer, goes to the "black mode"... I tried startx, init, but could not go to the graphic mode...
[12:36] <thingfish> othernoob: do not PM me.
[12:36] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[12:37] <underline> iepa im not good with ndiswrapper coz i've never used it... i dont need it... my atheros works nice with my debian (kernel 2.6.10)
[12:37] <underline> using madwifi from the cvs =p
[12:37] <mrknisely> Does anyone have any suggestions on a soundcard not working properly in Ubuntu.
[12:38] <iepa> ok, underline
[12:38] <underline> iepa let me google it...
[12:38] <underline> iepa just a se
[12:38] <underline> sec
[12:38] <SlicerDicer> I am looking for the package updater program I cant find it in synaptic can somebody tell me the name please
[12:38] <iepa> I have a hint, something related to my broadcom chipset
[12:38] <iepa> umm maybe  Truemobile 1350
[12:38] <othernoob> thingfish: why do you prefer deb over rpm ? does it really matter ?
[12:39] <bur[n] er> othernoob: yes :)
[12:39] <bur[n] er> .deb has dependencies noted and easily gettable with apt
[12:39] <bur[n] er> .rpms are specific to suse, mandrake, redhat, etc
[12:39] <iepa> underline  Broadcom 94306
[12:39] <bur[n] er> .deb's are pretty universal to debian, ubuntu, morphix, knoppix, kanotix, etc.
[12:40] <Timbo> bur[n] er: but not completely, worth mentioning
[12:40] <othernoob> bur[n] er: of course debs are universal to debian-derivatives.
[12:40] <jamesio> if my .deb gets around, does that mean she gets a .rep?
[12:40] <spinifex> I changed it to gdm, but it still doesn't list enlightenment.  How do I fix this?
[12:40] <FiReWoRkS> thingfish can you help me?
[12:40] <underline> iepa take a look at this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/41/2005/02/1/284082
[12:40] <mrknisely> Can someone suggest how I can troubleshoot my sound card issues?
[12:40] <underline> iepa ill find out a lill more... just a sec
[12:41] <othernoob> bur[n] er but deb or rpm won't really matter if you compile everything yourself, they're just there to make installing easier for you
[12:41] <bur[n] er> lol @ jamesio
[12:41] <Pupeno> What's the Ubuntu/Debian to install Products on a Zope instance ?
[12:41] <jamesio> bur[n] er, thanks... I didn't think anyone got it
[12:41] <SlicerDicer> I am looking for the package updater program I cant find it in synaptic can somebody tell me the name please?
[12:41] <bur[n] er> othernoob: i use .debs so i don't have to compile everything ;)  if i wanted to compile, i'd use slackware or gentoo
[12:41] <spinifex> I installed enlightenment, but it is not listed under sessions in GDM.  How do I add it?
[12:41] <spinifex> (installed through synaptic)
[12:42] <Burgundavia> SlicerDicer, there are 2 pieces, a daemon that checks the status the part that that gets shon
[12:42] <underline> iepa when you type ndiswrapper -i <file>.inf what you get???
[12:42] <othernoob> bur[n] er that's my point ;)
[12:42] <Burgundavia> SlicerDicer, update-manager and -notifier
[12:43] <SlicerDicer> Burgundavia: ok
[12:43] <mrknisely> Does nobody have any suggestion on troubleshooting a sound card issue?
[12:43] <k31th> wats the dvd libs called?
[12:44] <underline> iepa i gotta go... later ill be back... but take a look at this: http://www.brunolinux.com/08+-WiFi/Ndiswrapper.html  and   http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List?PHPSESSID=ed20c90ab9252f31ee10555dbb8202fa
[12:45] <FiReWoRkS> hi... i just installed ubuntu but could not managet to get to the graphic mode... what should I do?
[12:45] <goldfish> got an nvidia card FiReWoRkS ?
[12:46] <crimsun> k31th: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:46] <FiReWoRkS> yes
[12:46] <iepa> underline
[12:46] <jared> How can I have my laptop have a static IP address at homeso it can safely join a NIS domain, but still use DHCP at work?
[12:46] <iepa> thanks
[12:46] <crimsun> mrknisely: what type of sound card?
[12:46] <goldfish> FiReWoRkS: you need to get the nvidia drivers.... one sec
[12:46] <mrknisely> I'm running 5.04 and I have a ES1978 Maestro 2E integrated soundcard in my Compaq Armada E500 laptop.  The soundcard plays the "drums" at the GDM login prompt then nothing after.
[12:46] <kanzen> hello, I'm trying to install the AMD64 port of unbuntu 5.04 and am running into a when it tries to load the install files. If I hit Alt-F4 I see it complaining about a bad md5sum. I've tried burning a couple of new CDs, but get the same error. I downloaded this image via bittorrent: MD5 (ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso) = 46135038af6dd2ef36fd8d521afe7de4
[12:46] <FiReWoRkS> just apt-get install nvidia-glx does not work goldfish ?
[12:47] <goldfish> yeah
[12:47] <mark345> im having problems using alsa as input in the gnome multimedia systems selector
[12:47] <crimsun> mrknisely: lsmod|grep ^snd_es19
[12:47] <slimb> FiReWorks : http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver   did you try this?
[12:47] <mark345> anyone know of a way to fix this?
[12:47] <goldfish> slimb: he has no X
[12:47] <goldfish> well
[12:47] <goldfish> it's not working
[12:48] <mrknisely> output:  snd_es1968             27648  0
[12:48] <FiReWoRkS> i'll try that
[12:48] <nqt> is there a way to find configuration files from packages no longer installed, and delete them?
[12:48] <FiReWoRkS> thanks slimb goldfish
[12:48] <FiReWoRkS> =)
[12:48] <goldfish> heh
[12:48] <goldfish> good luck
[12:48] <crimsun> mrknisely: pgrep esd
[12:49] <mrknisely> Crimsun:  No output from that command.
[12:49] <crimsun> mrknisely: are you trying to use alsa specifically?
[12:49] <crimsun> mrknisely: or would esound suffice?
[12:49] <mrknisely> I wouldn't know alsa if it hit me over the head.
[12:49] <mrknisely> I just want sound.
[12:49] <slimb> goldfish - i didn't notice that :)   normally i'd assume one has x with no drivers installed (as was the case with me :))
[12:49] <mrknisely> I don't care about bells and whistles.
[12:50] <crimsun> mrknisely: System>Preferences>Sound
[12:50] <crimsun> mrknisely: ensure that "Enable sound server startup" is checked
[12:50] <mrknisely> Crimsun:  It is.
[12:50] <crimsun> mrknisely: did you kill esd anytime before?
[12:50] <crimsun> mrknisely: open a Terminal and execute esd
[12:50] <mark345> i can select alsa for output, and the test works, but input does not work
[12:51] <goldfish> slimb|dinner: :)
[12:51] <crimsun> nqt: with awk, yes
[12:52] <gratuitioustroll> what does ubuntu have against straight white men? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/include/circle.jpg are they not "diverse" enough?
[12:52] <nickrud> nqt, aptitude can do that for you
[12:53] <nickrud> nqt, inside aptitude, type l~c
[12:53] <kanzen> I just looked in md5sum.txt and the checksum for ./dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages.gz doesn't match
[12:53] <nickrud> nqt, that will limit the display to configured, but uninstalled programs
[12:53] <nqt> nickrud, tilde inclusive?
[12:53] <kanzen> Is this a known problem with the install, or did I somehow get a bad torrent?
[12:53] <crimsun> gratuitioustroll: surely there are other more useful wastes of your time?
[12:54] <crimsun> mrknisely: any luck?
[12:54] <nickrud> nqt, the l is the command, ~c is the entry
[12:54] <othernoob> crimsun: did you actually understand what he said ?if so, would you let me in on the mysterious ways of his thinking ;)
[12:54] <nickrud> nqt, a text box will pop up
[12:54] <gratuitioustroll> crimsun: indeed there are, but this one just got under my skin
[12:54] <mrknisely> Any luck with what?  Sound Server is enabled.
[12:54] <kanzen> well... I retract the bad install, since the CD checksum matches
[12:55] <nqt> nickrud, nifty, thanks
[12:55] <nickrud> ntq, that l command is the bomb :)
[12:55] <crimsun> mrknisely: no. First, System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink>ESD
[12:55] <crimsun> mrknisely: second, start esd from a Terminal
[12:55] <crimsun> mrknisely: sound should then work for all gstreamer-based apps
[12:55] <nickrud> nqt, /usr/share/doc/aptitude has a section on those tilde searches
[12:56] <Xenguy> Pupeno: sorry, I came into this thread late I guess
[12:56] <Xenguy> ww
[12:56] <mrknisely> ESD is already being used.
[12:57] <crimsun> mrknisely: then execute esd in a Terminal
[12:57] <mrknisely> or so says the Multimedia System Selector.
[12:57] <mrknisely> Hmm... Permission denied.
[12:57] <Kpjas> Hi, I have a couple of questions 1. how can I create custom key bindings to run progs? 2. Is there a way to run Firefox at startup ?
[12:57] <pvanhoof> how do I reconfigure my soundcard?
[12:58] <crimsun> pvanhoof: what do you need to accomplish?
[12:58] <mrknisely> ls -l  = -rwxr-xr-x
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> whats a good pci wireless card to buy?
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> marvell chipset supported well?
[12:58] <pvanhoof> crimsun, I reinstalled (from scratch) hoary, but the soundcard isn't working
[12:58] <pvanhoof> whereas this used to work
[12:58] <crimsun> pvanhoof: and what sound card is it?
[12:58] <nickrud> Kpjas, system-preferences keyboard shortcuts, and preferences sessions
[12:58] <mark345> anyone know of a program better than gnomebaker to burn audio cds?
[12:58] <pvanhoof> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[12:58] <crimsun> pvanhoof: are you using snd_intel8x0?
[12:59] <pvanhoof> how do I know?
[12:59] <nickrud> Kpjas, you can also configure keyboard shortcuts in gconf-editor, under apps/metacity
[12:59] <crimsun> lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[12:59] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~ # lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[12:59] <pvanhoof> snd_intel8x0           32352  0
[12:59] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~ #
[12:59] <crimsun> pvanhoof: and amixer output => pastebin
[12:59] <mrknisely> crimsun:  Got a permission denied.
[12:59] <Kpjas> nickrud: thanks I'll try
[12:59] <mrknisely> If I run it as root I get output.
[01:00] <pvanhoof> crimsun, where can I find "pastebin"?
[01:00] <mrknisely> Sound that is.
[01:00] <nickrud> Kpjas, np, I use all of that
[01:00] <pvanhoof> is it a channel?
[01:00] <crimsun> mrknisely: only if you run what as root?
[01:00] <kanzen> Is anyone here running the AMD64 port installed from the install cd iso?
[01:00] <SlicerDicer> does kubuntu have issues running the update-manager?
[01:00] <crimsun> pvanhoof: http://pastebin.com
[01:00] <pvanhoof> ok
[01:00] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: nope
[01:00] <pvanhoof> that website ain't working atm crimsun
[01:01] <crimsun> pvanhoof: then use pastebin.ca
[01:01] <mrknisely> crimsun:  only if I run esd as root do I get tones.  If I run as myself I get permission denied message.
[01:01] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: I for some reason cannot run it except from terminal....
[01:01] <pvanhoof> http://pastebin.ca/12555
[01:02] <pvanhoof> "No volume control elements and/or devices found." is what Volume control gives me
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> whats a well supported pci wireless card? marvell any good?
[01:02] <pvanhoof> gnomemeeting also didn't find any devices for the alsa stuff
[01:02] <crimsun> mrknisely: is your user in the audio group?
[01:02] <fidget> hey does anyone know if the airport extream is supported in ubuntu? and ... are there any other problems of running this on a power pc?
[01:03] <pvanhoof> that was for me?
[01:03] <crimsun> fidget: no, it's not
[01:03] <crimsun> pvanhoof: it was not addressed to you
[01:03] <pvanhoof> ah ok
[01:03] <fidget> dang ....
[01:03] <fidget> is it possible to swap the cards out?
[01:03] <Burgundavia> fidget, to the best of my knowledge, airport extremem doesn't work on an flavour of linux
[01:03] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: how else would you run it?
[01:03] <mrknisely> crimsun:  Looks like nobody is a member of that group.
[01:03] <pvanhoof> thats perhaps another question. I can't access /dev/video0 unless I hack it using chmod 666 /dev/video0
[01:03] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: umm via the icon that it installed perhaps?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> fidget, I would get an external card and send a letter to broadcom
[01:04] <KingArthur> lsuac: I use a Dlink card and it works great for me
[01:04] <fidget> ah
[01:04] <crimsun> mrknisely: of audio? Well, you need to add your user to that group
[01:04] <fidget> thanks burgundavia
[01:04] <fidget> humm .. how do you send messages adressed to just one person?
[01:04] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: I don't think it installs one, I think it has some gnome way of launching that doesn't show up in kde
[01:04] <judari_> has anyone else had trouble with ubuntu 5.04 detecting pci or isa netowrk cards? I've tried two different cards and it can't seem to detect them..
[01:04] <KingArthur> although my internal wireless hasn't worked since the final version of Horay
[01:04] <fidget> i'm new to ... debian and irc as well
[01:04] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: its in the menu in gnome if you look
[01:04] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: same with kde
[01:05] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: under system it says update manager 'ubuntu update manager'
[01:05] <mrknisely> crimsun:  I am now added to that group.  Still get a permission denied when I try to run esd.
[01:05] <pvanhoof> freax@lort:~ $ cat /dev/audio
[01:05] <pvanhoof> cat: /dev/audio: Permission denied
[01:05] <pvanhoof> freax@lort:~ $
[01:05] <crimsun> mrknisely: you need to log out and back in
[01:05] <pvanhoof> hmm
[01:05] <pvanhoof> how can I solve that one? :)
[01:05] <thingfish> fidget: do /msg nickname message.  But it's rude to do it without asking first.
[01:05] <fidget> does anyone have a recomendation for a cheap linux laptop? I was looking at the ibooks ..but thats not looking so good anymore
[01:05] <mrknisely> Ok... I'll drop and be back.  Thanks.
[01:05] <iepa> underline
[01:05] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~ # usermod -G freax,video,audio -g freax freax
[01:05] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~ #
[01:05] <pvanhoof> this doesn't solve it
[01:06] <iepa> I have succeed!!!
[01:06] <iepa> finally!
[01:06] <lsuactiafner> chmod a+rwx /dev/dsp
[01:06] <iepa> I have gone to interfaces file, and changed it manually
[01:06] <iepa> thanks!!!
[01:06] <crimsun> pvanhoof: cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:07] <nickrud> lsuactiafner, I don't think that will survive a reboot
[01:07] <pvanhoof> It's smteall, paste it here? or on that paste websi
[01:07] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: that's update-manager, which runs for me, thought you wanted update-notifier which sits in the system tray
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> thanks KingArthur
[01:07] <pvanhoof> http://pastebin.ca/12556
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> marvell is cheapest
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> and i got an internal eth0 nic
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> works great
[01:07] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: I run eitehr they dont work right....
[01:07] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: its odd....
[01:08] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: I think it default uses command gksudo or soemthing so its not doing that and well...
[01:08] <pvanhoof> crimsun, but the user doesn't have permission to access the /dev/audio(dsp) and /dev/video0 devices
[01:08] <judari_> is there a howto on setting up network cards in ubuntu? It won't automatically detect two cards I've tried. One ISA on PCI. One was 3com, the other Intel..
[01:08] <mrknisely> crimsun:   Worked great!!!  Thanks for all your help!
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> nickrud : then echo "chmod a+rwx /dev/dsp" > /etc/inid.d/rc.local ; chmod +x /etc/inid.d/rc.local
[01:08] <pvanhoof> I'm guessing thats the cause
[01:08] <crimsun> mrknisely: np
[01:08] <nickrud> lsuactiafner, if I really wanted to do that, I'd pay someone to write me a udev rule :)
[01:08] <dooglus> how would I find out which package provides a given file in ubuntu?
[01:08] <pvanhoof> I just don't know how to get my user permission to use those devices
[01:08] <crimsun> dooglus: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:09] <nickrud> dooglus, packages.ubuntu.com
[01:09] <pvanhoof> since adding them to the group of those devices ain't working
[01:09] <crimsun> dooglus: or dpkg -S (but I recommend dlocate)
[01:09] <dooglus> there's no command I can run?
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> judari_ : can i paste something to you?
[01:09] <judari_> yes lsu..
[01:10] <dooglus> I'm new to ubuntu - just installed it today, then spent a few hours fixing the mess it made of my boot sector, but now it's working :)
[01:10] <pvanhoof> logging in again did it
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> anyone here have experience with the marvell wireless pci chipset?
[01:12] <dooglus> what's the command to start the 'shortwall' firewall after installing it?
[01:12] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: gksu was not installed that was the problem now to figure out how to get the icon of the updater to look good in kde :)
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> if in doubt dooglus..
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> updatedb ; locate -i shortwall
[01:13] <Curlydave> hey
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> and you will see a list of files that could help you identify the command
[01:13] <dooglus> lsuactiafner: it's in /etc/init.d/
[01:13] <Curlydave> does anyone here know if theres a seperate linux ece pack for ut2k4?
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> most of the time i would say locate package | grep bin
[01:13] <chase> hay, does anyone know a good sound editor package for ubuntu?
[01:13] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: you should file a report on bugzilla, it should have a dependency on gtsudo
[01:13] <nickrud> dooglus, before you start it, you'll have to configure it. There's one that only is open to ident in /usr/share/docs
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> but you should try locate | grep etc
[01:13] <dooglus> most distros use the "service" command to start and stop services, but it's not in my path on ubuntu
[01:13] <crimsun> chase: audacity
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> chances are /etc/init.d/shortwall start
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> just type /etc/init.d/shortwall
[01:13] <dooglus> nickrud: I've configured it already.  how do I start it?
[01:14] <dooglus> and how do I stop it?
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> and it should give you a list of options
[01:14] <dooglus> oh, i see.
[01:14] <nickrud> dooglus, invoce-rc.d, check the spelling
[01:14] <chase> thanks crimsun ill look into it
[01:14] <nickrud> invoke-rc.d
[01:14] <saber_> dvdrip is an awesome application... i can't believe i was trying to make things work at the command line... :)
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> saber_ : the command line is the best thing about linux
[01:16] <dooglus> nickrud: that's what I was looking for.  invoke-rc.d :)  think I'll alias it to "service" though :)
[01:16] <fidget> humm how do you refresh the desktop in terminal?
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> right now i'm in console, screw a stupid gui, mouses are slow
[01:16] <saber_> sure, but do you know how much i'd have to learn about video technology to get things working? dvdrip makes it really simple
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> fidget : control l
[01:16] <fidget> ah thanks much
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> would refresh most linux apps
[01:16] <nickrud> dooglus, be careful of scripts :)
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> saber_ : man mencoder
[01:16] <dooglus> nickrud: why?
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> its part of mplayer
[01:17] <phenotype> im having a bit of troubble with xmms...... it is freezing when i try to play mp3's  does xmms come with the proper codecs?
[01:17] <saber_> that's a lot of reading :) dvdrip takes all those steps out
[01:17] <lsuactiafner>        The same, but with bitrate set to 1800kBit and optimized macroblocks:
[01:17] <lsuactiafner>               mencoder dvd://2 -o title2.avi -oac copy -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=1:vbitrate=1800
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> if you need to know something type: man command
[01:17] <nickrud> dooglus, bad phrasing, the syntax is different, iirc, you'll need to watch your old ones. I got burned once :)
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> then goto end of manual and there would be most common used examples
[01:18] <nickrud> phenotype, I think you need to change the output to esd
[01:19] <phenotype> how do i do that
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> phenotype : options/preferances
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> you should be able to find that somewhere..
[01:19] <phenotype> ha
[01:19] <phenotype> thx
[01:20] <Kpjas> nickrud: OK custom keybinding now works for me although it took me some time to find the right options in gconf-editor
[01:20] <caonex> I just installed hoary and my internet seems to be somewhat fast; however, my browser, firefox, has never been this slow, I know it is fast that is why is shocking so I think there might be something wrong with the configuration
[01:20] <caonex> any ideas?
[01:20] <nickrud> Kpjas, yeah, that is a lot of folders :)
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> caonex : yeh
[01:21] <fidget> is there a version of aim that runs in terminal?
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> caonex : type about:config then max
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> change those max connections to something lower
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> i use 4
[01:21] <crimsun> fidget: centericq, naim
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> since running 24 connections to one server on a dailup is insane
[01:21] <crimsun> fidget: not to mention bitlbee
[01:21] <Blissex> fidget: there are various command line and ncurses IM apps. crimsun has mentioned some...
[01:21] <novaflare> hmm is it possible to create a entirly new menu useing smeg or other similar tool ?
[01:21] <fidget> ah thanks much crimsun
[01:21] <fidget> sorry for being so new =/
[01:22] <crimsun> no apology necessary
[01:22] <fidget> theres a linux user group that i'm looking into joining here
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> or caonex if you mean response speed from the browser itself, run it with nice -n -10 firefox from a terminal
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> but thats the evil way
[01:22] <estra> can somebody help me with my webcam????
[01:22] <caonex> hmm....you go to lsu? lsuactiafner
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> no
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> lsuactiafner is an anygram of lucifer/satan
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> anagram
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> hehehe
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> estra : ive tried to get two webcams working.. chances of you getting yours to work are small..
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> heh ubuntu should allow a user to configure a bridge if a user has more than 1 nic
[01:24] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil?
[01:24] <Rob2687> that would be a nice feature
[01:24] <caonex> lsuactiafner, what do you mean by max, there are many matches?
[01:25] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil?
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> caonex : where you type in urls type about:config
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> then a tab would open that will allow you to change settings
[01:25] <^thehatsrule^> barroso #ubuntu-br and ubuntu-br.org ?
[01:25] <caonex> lsuactiafner, i know that part
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> type max in the search box
[01:25] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil?
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> and you will see max connections settings
[01:25] <caonex> lsuactiafner, i did all that already when i typed that i got like 5 matches
[01:25] <caonex> lsuactiafner, so i was wondering which one?
[01:25] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil? pvt-me
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> network.http.max-connections
[01:26] <^thehatsrule^> lo novaflare ;p
[01:26] <Lafitte-> anyone can help me with something   i need to re-setup my video     how do i get to the setup again ?
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> network.http.max-connections-per-server i would make 1 less than network.http.max-connections
[01:26] <Lafitte-> require a full install again ?
[01:26] <barroso> i like to use ubuntu, anybody from brasil? pvt-me
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> on my dailup i prefer no more than 4 connections
[01:27] <estra> somebody experience with sn9c102 driverrrrr
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> Lafitte- : linux/ubuntu aint windows
[01:27] <count0nz> estra, What webcam are you trying to use ?
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> you NEVER need to reinstall it
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> re-setup your video? you mean your display?
[01:27] <barroso> is anybody using ubuntu linux? i am from brasil.
[01:27] <phenotype> is ESD= eSound output in xmms?
[01:27] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner,  sorry   trying to get video working  its HUGE  an dlow rez
[01:27] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto Lafitte-
[01:27] <crimsun> phenotype: esd is a sound server; xmms does have an esd output
[01:27] <fishie> barroso : im using ubuntu :)
[01:27] <barroso> is anybody using ubuntu linux? i am from brasil.
[01:28] <Lafitte-> i need to setup res for screen  and all that biz
[01:28] <Rob2687> i think its a bot
[01:28] <estra> sweex
[01:28] <estra> count0z
[01:28] <barroso> hello
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> Lafitte- : you aint making much sense to me but run xorgconfig
[01:28] <phenotype> crimsun how would i enable esd
[01:28] <count0nz> estra, never heard of it before :(
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> by hand
[01:28] <crimsun> phenotype: it's enabled by default in Ubuntu
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> i prefer to setup /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand
[01:28] <andrewski> if i want to move my ubuntu installation from one hard drive to another, are there any files i should except or any other things i should keep in mind?
[01:28] <estra> hmmm, it has a sonix chipset
[01:28] <crimsun> phenotype: unless you're referring to xmms?
[01:29] <phenotype> yes i am
[01:29] <estra> so i'am sure it's is the right driver
[01:29] <estra> for it
[01:29] <phenotype> because xmms is freezeing
[01:29] <crimsun> phenotype: choose the esound output
[01:29] <robertj> once you edit xorg it wont autoconfigure it for you anymore
[01:29] <lsuactiafner>         HorizSync       31.5 - 82.0
[01:29] <lsuactiafner>         VertRefresh     50-100
[01:29] <phenotype> ok
[01:29] <phenotype> thx
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> that you might want to edit
[01:29] <crimsun> andrewski: you may have to adapt /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:29] <dooglus> so I installed 'emacs' using the synaptic package manager.  is an icon supposed to be added to the applications menu?  or do I need to reboot?
[01:29] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner,   i dont get any responce from that command   i think  bad install
[01:29] <andrewski> crimsun: well, yes. ;)  i took that as a given.
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> andrewski anything in /etc /home /root you want to save
[01:29] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner,  im going to reinstall
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> and maybe /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:30] <count0nz> estra, i have a Logitech Quickcam thats working great i havent came across your cam/chipset before so can't shead much light sorry
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> Lafitte- : i REALLY doubt your install didnt work
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> its NOT windows
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> in windows you reinstall to fix problems, not linux
[01:30] <Rob2687> lol
[01:30] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner, ok   heheh   thanks     been installed 3 times  this first time i seen this    so something glitched
[01:31] <estra> count0nz, i have also installed a logitech quickcam express cam with the spcaxx driver, is works very well
[01:31] <andrewski> crimsun: what about /dev?
[01:31] <crimsun> andrewski: that's created on the fly with udev, remember?
[01:31] <count0nz> esher, :) kewl :)
[01:31] <estra> with this cam i don't understand it
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> Lafitte- : just fix whats wrong manually, you dont need to reinstall a whole system becuase of one problem
[01:31] <estra> the driver is loaded
[01:31] <robertj> btw, where is the place to go order Ubuntu t-shirts/polos
[01:31] <angel12> hey, i just tried to install warty on my amd64 laptop with an ati graphics card, and when install is done it tries to start x, but i get a message saying to check the log, there is no message in the log though, any help?
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> estra : usb cam? lsusb
[01:31] <andrewski> crimsun: hmm, yes.  haven't really paid much attention since the switch (when i was on gentoo).  should i just create a blank dir on the target partition?
[01:32] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner,  yeah  but i cant fix config file    nop such command there
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> angel12 : install the driver for your card
[01:32] <phenotype> thank you for the help with xmms everyone... problem fixed
[01:32] <angel12> lsuactiafner, how would i do that via command line? its an ati card
[01:32] <crimsun> andrewski: yep
[01:32] <andrewski> crimsun: good deal; thanks.
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> angel12 : heh ubuntu didnt make it easy to browse without a GUI in the console
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> but you know how links work?
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> or apt-get..
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> not sure i got a nvidia
[01:33] <angel12> lsuactiafner, yeah i use links a bit on gentoo, but actually, how would i upgrade from warty to hoary through commandline?
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> angel12 : run lspci and do not paste me or anyone the output
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> then links google.com
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> and find support from ati for a linux driver
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> heh actually no idea, i dont really use ubuntu
[01:34] <Rob2687> ati people can use fglrx i think
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> right now i have a gentoo/slackware/ubuntu hybrid going on..
[01:35] <angel12> how would i upgrade warty to hoary through the command line? i know i have to change the apt sources, but where is that file?
[01:35] <Rob2687> /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:35] <frank> angel12, change /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:36] <SlicerDicer> argh does anybody know how to make it so update notifier does not look like ass in kicker?
[01:36] <Seveas> angel12: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> angel12 : /etc/somewhere_whatever has about everything
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> heh i really dont want to upgrade anything
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> spent weeks downloadin a few hundred development packages and now there is a new version almost out
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> am very upset about!!!! (:
[01:38] <angel12> thanks, hopefully see you guys in ubuntu in a bit
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> you gonna see me in my bed in a bit
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> gnight
[01:38] <pepsi> will breezy startup x today?
[01:39] <Curlydave> hey
[01:39] <Curlydave> does anyone knwo anything about the ut2k4 ece bonus pack?
[01:41] <Curlydave> hey
[01:41] <Curlydave> does anyone know how to install the ece bonus pack ofr UT2k4
[01:42] <revtex> hey guys, have a question... I have a USB hard drive that auto mounts under gnome... but it only sets it up with read and exec permissions..  I am trying to figure out why its got this nasty grey box that is horrid elongated and makes my transparent kicker just look well dumb
[01:43] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: I'd guess that gnome doesn't do transparancy on it's panel, or if it doesn't they don't talk to each other about it.
[01:43] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: poke me and I'll write an update-notifier for KDE
[01:43] <SlicerDicer> heh
[01:43] <nickrud> SlicerDicer, gnome-panel does do transparency, just not all the icons
[01:43] <SlicerDicer> It just looks terrible.....
[01:44] <SlicerDicer> I will snag a screenshot :/
[01:44] <wallflower> I added a new user in ubuntu why is it allowed to 'su' ?
[01:44] <wallflower> to root I mean
[01:44] <LinuxJones> wallflower, because you enabled the root account
[01:44] <Riddell> wallflower: anyone can su if they have the password
[01:45] <wallflower> oh i thought most distros disabled root access only to wheel users
[01:45] <count0nz> i thourt you had to be in wheel to su
[01:45] <wallflower> Er looks like there isnt a wheel group in ubuntu
[01:46] <htaccess> i get "kernel: smbfs: mount_data version<PHONE_NUMBER> is not supported" in syslog when trying to mount a samba share, any ideas?
[01:47] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: if you nano /etc/group and remove that user from admin no su should be allowed correct? I dont know I tried to find the most likely equivelent to wheel in gentoo and that only makes sense
[01:47] <phenotype> what
[01:48] <phenotype> whats the command to mount a floppy (its on dev/fd0)
[01:48] <geppy> I want to modify my keyboard map for Gnome;  where can I build new layouts?
[01:48] <geppy> phenotype: mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[01:48] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: sudo won't be allowed, su will
[01:48] <phenotype> thx
[01:48] <wallflower> how can you check if a package has an update available without updating?
[01:48] <novaflare> so any one know if its possible to add say a games menu to ubuntu next to say applications. So it would look like this applications games places system?
[01:48] <geppy> wallflower: apt-cache policy foo
[01:49] <SlicerDicer> Riddell: hmm ok
[01:49] <SlicerDicer> no matter for me nobody touches my computers or they get hit over the head with a baseball bat :P
[01:50] <wallflower> how can i update a specific package? apt-get upgrade seems to want to upgrade all of them
[01:50] <paxmaster> hello is netgear wireless card does itt work with ubuntu
[01:50] <geppy> wallflower: sudo apt-get install foo
[01:51] <SlicerDicer-> http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/updatenotifer.png check that out Riddell thats the terrible looking update-notifier
[01:51] <geppy> paxmaster: google for ndiswrapper
[01:51] <revtex> hey guys, have a question... I have a USB hard drive that auto mounts under gnome... but it only sets it up with read and exec permissions.. I want to be able t write to it.. how do I get it to auto mount with write permissions?
[01:52] <wallflower> why isn't there a new firefox package?
[01:52] <geppy> wallflower: because there isn't
[01:52] <Dave2|Laptop> Because fixes are backported
[01:52] <geppy> and backports suck
[01:52] <paxmaster> ok what wireless card work with ubuntu out of the box
[01:52] <Dave2|Laptop> Ubuntu's 1.0.2 has all of the security patches applied
[01:52] <wallflower> by 2 versions? firefox is on 1.0.4 and its still using1.0.2
[01:52] <SlicerDicer-> Riddell, did you check that image?
[01:52] <sysrq> 1.0.4 is in breezy
[01:52] <wallflower> dave2: ok
[01:52] <geppy> wallflower: Oh, that's cool.
[01:53] <Shuddertrix> wallflower: Check out the About panel, it says that it's 1.0.4 ;)
[01:53] <nickrud> wallflower, however much firefox is changed, the number will not change
[01:53] <Shuddertrix> unless it's firefox-2.0 or something?
[01:53] <Shuddertrix> well, actually, more like 1.1 i bet..
[01:54] <wallflower> shudder mine still says 1.0.2
[01:54] <wallflower> in the about panel...
[01:54] <Shuddertrix> Odd.
[01:54] <geppy> wallflower: Try restarting firefox?
[01:54] <novaflare> mine says that as well
[01:54] <phenotype> how do i copy a file to a floppy (telling me i dont have permission, but not asking for root pass)
[01:54] <Shuddertrix> Wait a second..
[01:54] <geppy> hmm, mine does, as well
[01:54] <Shuddertrix> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050513 Firefox/1.0.4 (Ubuntu package 1.0.4~5.04ubp1+1.0.2)
[01:55] <geppy> Shuddertrix: Are you in breezy?
[01:55] <Shuddertrix> No
[01:55] <geppy> Shuddertrix: weird.  Backports?
[01:55] <Shuddertrix> Probably something in universe/multiverse/whatever?
[01:56] <geppy> Shuddertrix: Probably.
[01:56] <Shuddertrix> Yeah
[01:57] <Shuddertrix> 1.0.4~5.04ubp1+1.0.2-0ubuntu1(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp2.caliu.info_backports_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status)
[01:57] <Shuddertrix> 1.0.4 is in backports..
[01:57] <geppy> heh
[01:57] <Shuddertrix> I think
[01:57] <karamelos> Hi, does ubuntu use the xorg xserver?
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:57] <Shuddertrix> Yeah
[01:57] <nickrud> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050512 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[01:57] <Seveas> karamelos, since ubuntu 5.04
[01:57] <karamelos> how can I enable menu shadows and transparency?
[01:58] <crimsun> omg
[01:58] <crimsun> that is an incredibly horribly version string
[01:58] <crimsun> horrible
[01:58] <goldfish> get xcompmgr and transset
[01:58] <revtex> hey guys, have a question... I have a USB hard drive that auto mounts under gnome... but it only sets it up with read and exec permissions.. I want to be able t write to it.. how do I get it to auto mount with write permissions?
[01:58] <goldfish> revtex: what filesystem is on it?
[01:58] <geppy> revtex: Perhaps make an autofs rule?
[01:59] <revtex> goldfish, you know what.. I beleave its NTFS.. if thats the case I suck.. sorry :oP
[01:59] <wallflower> can't `apt-get install sshd` ?
[01:59] <Lafitte-> how do i install the 686 kernel in ubuntu ?
[01:59] <Seveas> wallflower, openssh-server
[01:59] <Seveas> Lafitte-, apt-get install linux-686
[01:59] <geppy> revtex: Don't write to NTFS.
[02:00] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  there is none ?
[02:00] <SlicerDicer-> Seveas, are you aware of any update notifier for kde that does not look really dumb?
[02:00] <revtex> geppy, I know... I just forgot it was formated in NTFS
[02:00] <goldfish> revtex: :)
[02:00] <Seveas> Lafitte-, linux-686 will give you the 686 kernel
[02:00] <geppy> revtex: heh =)
[02:00] <Seveas> SlicerDicer-, i do not use KDE
[02:00] <wallflower> why is it asking for my ubuntu cd to install openssh-server? and not net-installing it?
[02:00] <SlicerDicer-> Seveas, fair enough
[02:00] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  cant install from cd  that way ?
[02:00] <phenotype> whats the problem with writing to ntfs?
[02:00] <Seveas> Lafitte-, no
[02:01] <Seveas> the CD only has the 386 kernel due to size limitations
[02:01] <Lafitte-> sev
[02:01] <Lafitte-> Seveas,   ok
[02:01] <htaccess> should ubuntu be able to mount smaba shares out of the box? i dont seem to have /sbin/mount.smbfs which according to debian resides in the smbfs package, which i dont seem to have installed
[02:01] <Seveas> phenotype, that it is not possible with standard drivers
[02:01] <phenotype> ok
[02:01] <Lafitte-> i just compared  ubuntu to sarge install
[02:01] <Seveas> phenotype, you can use captive ntfs (horror to compile_ or expensive commercial tools
[02:01] <Guerin> phenotype: ntfs is a complicated proprietary filesystem for which specifications have not been released.  Thanks.
[02:02] <Guerin> oh
[02:02] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  dont tell me that        i havent done anything to you
[02:02] <Guerin> i'm in the wrong channel
[02:02] <Seveas> but 2.6.11 is broken and unsupported
[02:02] <Guerin> my bad :)
[02:02] <Shuddertrix> Oh, it's broke in ubuntu?
[02:03] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  Ubuntu blows sarge away  as far as works on install
[02:03] <AristoMagnus> Hi all, I want to know how to recompile my kernel to add DMA support on my box, can you tell me why i got (for amd64) 2.6.10 and on apt i only have 2.4 for kernel-source
[02:03] <htaccess> Seveas, yea, im doing that, i was just curious it was not done by default
[02:03] <Guerin> Lafitte-: well, since the ubuntu installer IS the sarge installer, i say again that you're dead wrong.
[02:03] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: linux-tree-2.6.10?
[02:03] <thenewlax> yo how would i unistall a game?
[02:03] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, there is DMA support in the standard kernel
[02:03] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  it is not the sarge installer  it was the sarge installer
[02:03] <Shuddertrix> Oh well, then it's 2.6.10-k7 for me.
[02:03] <phenotype> is there the same problem writing to dos?
[02:03] <Seveas> thenewlax, sudo aptitode purge <name of the package>
[02:04] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  not sure what you are defending
[02:04] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, infortunately, its Disable when i type hdparm /dev/hda
[02:04] <thenewlax> thanks
[02:04] <Seveas> phenotype, writing to fat16/fat32 is supported
[02:04] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, the kernel version is 2.6.10
[02:04] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, you need to use drivers specific for your mobo
[02:04] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: yes, and the source you need is in linux-tree-2.6.10
[02:04] <AristoMagnus> Seveas, I know,
[02:04] <Seveas> AristoMagnus, probably your mobo is not completely recognized and ide_generic is used
[02:04] <Shuddertrix> Would I have to remove linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 then?
[02:04] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, where?
[02:04] <Seveas> ide_generic cannot support DMA
[02:04] <malign-traps> Greetings, all.  I have a DMA question as well.   I'm trying to figure out why my new Dell (fast, lots of memory) won't play DVDs (totem or mplayer) without skipping as if it's bogged down in IO.
[02:04] <Fackamato> AristoMagnus: enable it in /etc/hdparm.conf .
[02:04] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: in main
[02:04] <Guerin> Lafitte-: ' absolutly no effort has been put into there installer' <-- since it was rewritten from the ground up, and then used in both debian and ubuntu, I can't see how this statement is defensible.
[02:05] <Fackamato> malign-traps: enable dma for all devices
[02:05] <AristoMagnus> Fackamato, without recompiling the kernel?
[02:05] <phenotype> seveas  i assume ubuntu uses fat 32 for the floppy formatter?
[02:05] <Seveas> phenotype, no
[02:05] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, what main
[02:05] <CarlK> dma answer is under #8 on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:05] <Seveas> floppys cannot use fat32
[02:05] <Fackamato> AristoMagnus: of course, why would you recompile the kernel?
[02:05] <phenotype> 16?
[02:05] <Seveas> they use fat16
[02:05] <malign-traps> I'm trying to benchmark my DVD drive, so will a few of you who have working DVD players tell me what hdparm -iI says for speeds for your DVD drive?
[02:05] <phenotype> k
[02:05] <Seveas> (iirc)
[02:05] <Fackamato> malign-traps: enable DMA and try again.
[02:05] <Lafitte-> Guerin,   go play with yourself  dude    you have no life  to worry about my statement
[02:06] <malign-traps> Fackamato, by default, it is set.  UDMA2.
[02:06] <Guerin> Lafitte-: would you rather insult me, or actually come back with something to support your utterly false and wildy uneducated statement?
[02:06] <Fackamato> malign-traps: then it's probably not the dvd drives fault
[02:06] <phenotype> seavas having troubble writing to a floppy (dont have permissions) but not asking for root pass
[02:06] <phenotype> suggestions
[02:06] <Fackamato> since a normal dvd movie is under 10mbit (audio AND video)
[02:06] <saber_> Anyone know where I can get export_mpeg2enc.so / export_mp3enc.so ?
[02:06] <Fackamato> per second
[02:06] <Seveas> malign-traps, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/50 <-- my dvd
[02:07] <AristoMagnus> Fackamato, cuz I want to implement the right mother board driver, for Marvell, and I want my DMA not to be a Module
[02:07] <Shuddertrix> If I was installing linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7, would I need to remove the -386 version or would it just take over?
[02:07] <malign-traps> Fackamato, Thanks.  That's what I'm trying to figure out what's normal.  Do you have a DVD drive to tell me about?
[02:07] <malign-traps> ^what^why
[02:07] <Seveas> Shuddertrix, you would be able to use both and choose at boot time
[02:07] <novaflare> hey on these games in gnome like iagno for example how would one go about finding some one to play against on a remote serve. Also what ports need be fowarded if any
[02:07] <Shuddertrix> Seveas: So if I just wanted -k7, would I have to remove it then?
[02:08] <Seveas> you can remove it then, but you do not have to :)
[02:08] <phenotype> how do i get write permissions to a floppy?
[02:08] <Seveas> phenotype, mount it rw and with the correct uid
[02:08] <Lafitte-> Guerin,  what does my education have to do with the fact that sarge install doesnt work and ubntu does ?   please dude   if you are educated  then  you must have wasted alot of money     now  i block you and your ignorance
[02:08] <Shuddertrix> What about all the dependencies?
[02:08] <phenotype> ive mounted it
[02:08] <phenotype> how do i do the other stuff
[02:08] <Shuddertrix> Most worried about linux-restricted-modules-386
[02:08] <CarlK> Guerin, Lafitte... do either of you need help?
[02:09] <Seveas> Shuddertrix, if you use debfoster to prune it, all otherwise unneeded dependencies will go away with it
[02:09] <Guerin> CarlK: i think Lafitte- does.
[02:09] <Lafitte-> sorry to everyone for that   he is blocked  i wont respond to him now
[02:09] <CarlK> Guerin - do you need help?
[02:09] <Seveas> phenotype, there is a line in /etc/fstab for the floppy, so you can mount it as ordinary user
[02:09] <Shuddertrix> Wait.. doh
[02:09] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone here have ut2k4?
[02:09] <Shuddertrix> I got it, thanks
[02:09] <Seveas> no need to do other tricks
[02:09] <Guerin> Nope.
[02:09] <CarlK> Lafitte-  good plan.
[02:09] <karamelos> I want to add ubuntu apt sources to my Debian system. Where can I find the server addresses?
[02:09] <malign-traps> Seveas, Thanks.  Do you mind running hdparm with "-tT" ?
[02:10] <AristoMagnus> someone can tell me why i cannot download the kernel source 2.6.* from apt
[02:10] <floo> I just compiled a vanilla kernel for ubuntua and now i can't get the nvidia driver to work --help
[02:10] <Shuddertrix> I forgot that all the packages have the -k7 versions also ;)
[02:10] <Musagetes> I have a Creative MuVo TX mp3 player, but when I plug it into the computer I can't seem to find its location ... Does anyone know where it's supposed to be?
[02:10] <AristoMagnus> floo, apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:10] <count0nz> mine sucks :)
[02:10] <count0nz> /dev/hda:
[02:10] <count0nz>  Timing cached reads:   388 MB in  2.00 seconds = 193.55 MB/sec
[02:10] <count0nz>  Timing buffered disk reads:   48 MB in  3.03 seconds =  15.82 MB/sec
[02:10] <Lafitte-> CarlK, :)      seriously  sorry   i installed both of those setups  the sarge doesnt work with centrino  like ubuntu  and hasnt for 2 years now     very sad is whati said
[02:10] <floo> I know i tried that
[02:10] <biovore> cat /proc/scsi/devices
[02:11] <CarlK> Shuddertrix - did you try the.. yeah, that: nvidia-glx
[02:11] <AristoMagnus> floo,  did you change nv driver name for nvidia in xorg.conf
[02:11] <floo> it just doesn't install, something BOUT BAD KERNEL VERSION OR SOMETHING
[02:11] <biovore> (device_info)
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> floo: did it say it just like that in capitals ?
[02:11] <AristoMagnus> floo, and also comment the DRI driver
[02:11] <Shuddertrix> Now, will I have to reinstall nvidia-glx or will it automagically work with the -k7?
[02:11] <floo> yes edited xorg
[02:11] <Seveas> malign-traps, i have no dvd disc at hand so i cannot do that now, sorry
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> floo: I have a recommendation for you - use the ubuntu kernel.
[02:11] <frank> Shuddertrix, you have to reinstall nvdia i think
[02:11] <AristoMagnus> HrdwrBoB, why?
[02:11] <Shuddertrix> Wait.. nevermind that question ;)
[02:12] <floo> tried to install binary driver from nvidia .com but that said something about libgls.so was missing
[02:12] <Seveas> Shuddertrix, if you install the linux-k7 metapackage the restr. modules will be dragged in too
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> AristoMagnus: because a) it works
[02:12] <malign-traps> count0nz, Thanks.
[02:12] <AristoMagnus> HrdwrBoB, no ot doesnt for me
[02:12] <Seveas> floo, do NOT use the binary from nvidia.com
[02:12] <karamelos> what servers does the new version contiain in sources.list ?
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> b) someone has already been there and done that to make it work
[02:12] <Seveas> floo, use linux-restricted-modules from ubuntu
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> AristoMagnus: then don't use it
[02:12] <Shuddertrix> Yeah, i'm quite the newb when it comes to how apt works
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> AristoMagnus: for the vast majority of people
[02:12] <AristoMagnus> HrdwrBoB, I need the DMA support enable, and i dont think ubuntu know the chipset via and marvel of my mother board
[02:12] <floo> right serveas, thnks
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> you won't need another kernel
[02:12] <count0nz> malign-traps, np
[02:13] <floo> looks like I'm gonna have to reinstall
[02:13] <mattlins> I am trying to run a .bin file but get permission denied, so I tried sudo ./somefile.bin and then I get command not found.  What do I do?
[02:13] <Curlydave> hey
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> mattlins: chmod +x foo.bin
[02:13] <Curlydave> does anyone here know how to minimize full-screen apps?
[02:13] <frank> mattlins, chmod 755 file.bin to make it executable
[02:13] <phenotype> seveas how do i edit fstab (read only)
[02:13] <Curlydave> alt-tabbing's not working
[02:13] <Seveas> phenotype, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:13] <biovore> Curlydave: what app?
[02:14] <phenotype> k
[02:14] <Curlydave> Biovore, anything
[02:14] <Seveas> mattlins, are youn installing java?
[02:14] <Curlydave> ut2k4 for example
[02:14] <Curlydave> alt-tab in linux
[02:14] <benkong2> hello all
[02:14] <Curlydave> hi
[02:14] <biovore> UT2k4 alt-enter works
[02:14] <biovore> but it gets stuck
[02:15] <benkong2> I went to get an extension for mozilla-firefox and it says I need to upgrade to 1.04 ubuntu repositories do not have that version. What can I do?
[02:15] <Seveas> benkong2: in about.config, set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[02:15] <Curlydave> biovore, i'll try that
[02:15] <angel12> does anyone use a synaptics touchpad with woary
[02:15] <Curlydave> biovore, you know aobut ut2k4?
[02:15] <biovore> yup, UT2k4 TDM ladder player
[02:15] <Curlydave> biovore, do you know how to install the ece pack? all i can find is an exe wihch onw't run
[02:15] <benkong2> Seveas; about.config in firefox?
[02:15] <Curlydave> nice
[02:15] <frank> woary... thats a new one!
[02:15] <biovore> Linux
[02:16] <Seveas> benkong2, yes
[02:16] <benkong2> Seveas; k
[02:16] <Curlydave> biovore, i have the linux patch, is there a special linux ece? I can't get it
[02:16] <angel12> does anyone use a synaptics touchpad with warty, lol, my bad
[02:16] <Shuddertrix> benkong2: about:config > Search for "general.useragent.vendorSub" > Click on it > Change "1.0" to "1.0.4"
[02:16] <biovore> ece I think you can just run unzip on the exe
[02:17] <benkong2> Shuddertrix; whoa...I have no about.config
[02:17] <biovore> there might be a linux version, I don't remember..
[02:17] <paxmaster>  what wireless card work with ubuntu out of the box
[02:17] <Shuddertrix> It's about:config
[02:17] <frank> benkong2, about:config
[02:17] <Shuddertrix> There's a colon in there
[02:17] <mattlins> Ok I guess this is not a bin file.  I'm trying to run netbeans.  It put a launcher in my Applications/Programming drawer, but when I try to run it I get permission denied.  What's going on?
[02:17] <benkong2> ok where is that file located?
[02:17] <Shuddertrix> Just type it in Firefox
[02:18] <mattlins> /usr/lib/netbeans/bin
[02:18] <benkong2> sorry new install
[02:18] <Curlydave> biovore, ty i'll try that
[02:18] <frank> benkong2, you write that in thje location bar
[02:18] <biovore> depends on how you installed the java devel kit..
[02:18] <benkong2> k
[02:18] <AristoMagnus> crimsun AristoMagnus: yes, and the source you need is in linux-tree-2.6.10 (---- where is that
[02:18] <benkong2> kool
[02:18] <Shuddertrix> Grub set itself up. I hope it works!
[02:19] <mattlins> were you guys talking to me or not?
[02:19] <Curlydave> biovore,  i think that worked, but i don't know where the files went
[02:19] <Curlydave> biovore it inflated but i see no files
[02:19] <biovore> the unzip?
[02:19] <Curlydave> yea
[02:20] <Curlydave> did they go in the ut2k4 directory?
[02:20] <biovore> you see some directories like System
[02:20] <biovore> or Textures
[02:20] <geppy> Where can I change my Gnome keyboard layout?  I would like to implement a half-keyboard.
[02:20] <Curlydave> not in the folder the pack was in
[02:20] <benkong2> frank;  Is this just a work around for firefox?
[02:21] <Musagetes> I have a Creative MuVo TX mp3 player, but when I plug it into the computer I can't seem to find its location ... Does anyone know where it's supposed to be?
[02:22] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: the package is in main
[02:22] <nickrud> geppy, you can do some things in preferences-keyboard, otherwise you'll need xmodmap or /etc/X11/xkb
[02:22] <Curlydave> biovore, i opened it with arch man now and it's making a gz file so i'm good i think
[02:22] <geppy> nickrud: You can't do this in preferences-keyboard, and implementing a half-keyboard needs more than just xmodmap :-/
[02:22] <Curlydave> biovore,  shit nvm that just zipped the file
[02:22] <mattlins> Could you guys help?  When I click on the menu item for Netbeans I get this : "Details: Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/Netbeans/bin/netbeans" (Permission denied)"
[02:22] <Shuddertrix> ooh, it works, i didn't screw up my system. joy.
[02:22] <biovore> ok..  I can't remember how it suppose to work.. I think there might tar.gz file out there too...
[02:23] <nickrud> geppy, I wondered about that, so I thru in the thing I'm not modifying for my keyboard :)
[02:23] <geppy> nickrud:  haha
[02:23] <frank> benkong2, the version thing? I don't really know anything about that
[02:23] <Curlydave> biovore,  how did you do it?
[02:23] <CarlK> mattlins - are you trying to install java?
[02:24] <mattlins> CarlK : I already installed java and netbeans.. I am just trying to run netbeans
[02:24] <benkong2> frank; ok thanks it worked just the same
[02:24] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, main what!! lol ;)
[02:24] <CarlK> mattlins - k - not sure how to help then
[02:24] <AristoMagnus> im new to ubuntu
[02:24] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: the main repository
[02:24] <biovore> I don't have it install here I don't think..
[02:25] <biovore> but I know there is a way.... trying to remember how..
[02:25] <geppy> *sigh*
[02:25] <Curlydave> biovore, hmm, yea apparenlty becasue you need it before the patch in the linux version or it fucsk up
[02:25] <biovore> ok there is a tar.gz version..  :-)
[02:25] <biovore> http://www.3dgamers.com/games/unrealtourn2k4/downloads/
[02:26] <Curlydave> biovore, much luv for you
[02:26] <nqt> can anyone recommend a good wireless adapter (PCI or USB) from first-hand experience?
[02:27] <Curlydave> uhoh no servers though
[02:27] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, im a gentoo user, i dont really know what your talking about
[02:27] <Curlydave> i'll google the file name though
[02:27] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, im trying apt-cache search kernel-source
[02:27] <biovore> yeah, its peak download time..
[02:27] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: no, linux
[02:27] <andrewski> nqt: netgear cards
[02:27] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: linux-foo is what Ubuntu uses. kernel-foo is what Debian uses.
[02:28] <nqt> andrewski, any in particular, readily available from bestbuy or something?
[02:28] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, and what is the difference
[02:28] <andrewski> nqt: i got a wg311 about 17 months ago. :)
[02:28] <mattlins> Anybody know why I get 'permission denied' when trying to execute Netbeans?
[02:28] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: naming, of course. You'd search for linux, not kernel.
[02:28] <nqt> andrewski, is it prism54?
[02:28] <andrewski> nqt: atheros.
[02:28] <CarlK> andrewski - pci ?  and do you know if it can pxe netboot?
[02:29] <andrewski> CarlK: pci, and i don't know.
[02:29] <biovore> ls -al the file mattlins..
[02:29] <biovore> whats the permissions?
[02:29] <mattlins> ok
[02:29] <joe|code> can anyone tell me how to add the gnome menu to the kde taskbar?
[02:30] <mattlins> biovore: -rw-r--r--  1 root root 2456 2005-05-24 19:21 netbeans
[02:30] <biovore> well that would explain it..
[02:30] <mattlins> how do I change it?
[02:30] <Riddell> joe|code: gnome programs will show up in the k-menu
[02:30] <biovore> as root...
[02:30] <SlicerDicer-> how do you use a .deb?
[02:30] <mattlins> and to what?
[02:30] <biovore> chmod +x netbeans
[02:30] <biovore> not executable by all
[02:30] <biovore> only root and exec the file.
[02:30] <mattlins> i tried that
[02:31] <biovore> sudo chmod 777 <path>/netbeans
[02:32] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, so i need to search apt-cache search linux-source
[02:32] <crimsun> AristoMagnus: I gave you the name of the package you need to install (linux-tree-2.6.10)
[02:32] <mattlins> bivore: after I did sudo chmod 777 and then ./netbeans I get "./netbeans: line 84: ./../platform5/lib/nbexec: Permission denied
[02:32] <mattlins> "
[02:32] <biovore> ok..
[02:32] <biovore> where you install JDK to?
[02:32] <biovore> your home?
[02:32] <mattlins> yah
[02:32] <biovore> ok..
[02:32] <mattlins> I just ran another java program and it worked fine
[02:33] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, Oh, ok ;)(
[02:33] <mattlins> I used blackdown's jdk
[02:33] <AristoMagnus> thnks
[02:33] <biovore> chown username.usergroup /home/username/java(something)
[02:33] <biovore> chown username.usergroup /home/username/java(something) -R
[02:33] <AristoMagnus> crimsun, is this the source or the bin of the kernel
[02:33] <karamelos> usa ubuntu el archivo sources.list?
[02:34] <andrewski> karamelos: si
[02:34] <biovore> us.archives.ubuntu.org I belive
[02:34] <Curlydave> hey, does anyone here know how to get GRUB to boot into windows right?
[02:34] <karamelos> andrewski, me puedes pasar que fuente apt usa ubuntu en sources.list?
[02:34] <SlicerDicer-> how do you use a .deb file?
[02:34] <biovore> depends Curlydave..
[02:34] <andrewski> karamelos: english or german only, sorry. :)
[02:35] <biovore> dpkg -i deb_file
[02:35] <Curlydave> bio, it boots into linux fine, but i have to d/c my linux hd to get into win
[02:35] <andrewski> Curlydave: there are good docs on it; check the wiki or google.
[02:35] <Curlydave> andrewski, k
[02:35] <mattlins> biovore: I misunderstood your question, I installed the blackdown package and it installed to /usr/lib/java/1.4.2/
[02:35] <CarlK> biovore - us.archive.ubuntu.com (no s)
[02:35] <karamelos> andrewski, can you pass me which apt sources use ubuntu in sources.list ?
[02:35] <andrewski> Curlydave: basically, you're looking for 'chainloader' or something IIRC
[02:35] <andrewski> karamelos: look at ubuntuguide.org; there are good examples there.
[02:35] <Curlydave> andrewski, my output when i try to get into boot has "chainloader +1 in" in the last line. is that significant?
[02:36] <biovore> mattlins: I would just grab the sun java packages for linux and install to /opt  blackdown has some glitches and is slighly different
[02:36] <andrewski> Curlydave: yes, but you should reference some examples to see if that will work; i don't recall the syntax. :)
[02:36] <Curlydave> ohh ok
[02:37] <biovore> sounds about right curlydave, it sometimes dosn't work though..  :-/
[02:37] <andrewski> Curlydave: could be significantly ineffective, or significantly exactly what you want. :P
[02:37] <CarlK> andrewski - can you do lspci -n  (Show PCI vendor and device codes) and give me the ones for your PCI wifi netgear card?
[02:37] <mattlins> biovore : I did this intially and then I had a whole new problem.  I would get my locale is not correct and I couldn't even install netbeans or run any java programs.  I asked for a whole day about this problem and nobody ever responed.  Are you familar with this? I can provide the full error.
[02:38] <biovore> I have netbeans with jdk 1.5 update 2 here..
[02:38] <biovore> and working
[02:38] <andrewski> CarlK: 0200: 168c:0013 (rev 01)
[02:38] <CarlK> andrewski - thanks
[02:38] <andrewski> CarlK: sure thing.
[02:39] <mattlins> biovore : I got this error with the sun package and running any GUI java program - "current locale is not supported in X11, locale is set to CX locale modifiers
[02:39] <mattlins> are not supported"
[02:39] <pfp> mattlins: 'export LANG=C; export LC_ALL=C; ./installer' could help
[02:39] <biovore> hmmm instressting..
[02:40] <mattlins> pfp: is that the fix?  have you seen this error?
[02:40] <biovore> or dpkg-reconfigure locals   I think
[02:40] <mattlins> okay I'm going to reinstall the sun package
[02:40] <pfp> mattlins: more like a workaround ;) i've no experience w/ installing sun's java, but that usually "fixes" missing locale problems
[02:41] <mattlins> ok
[02:41] <AlwaysModest> man ubuntu is awesome, its like beautiful... and fast
[02:41] <biovore> well people spent some time thinking about it..
[02:41] <biovore> but you'll see they got almost everything..
[02:41] <AristoMagnus> AlwaysModest, yeah ;)
[02:41] <mattlins> biovore : does ubuntu hava a sun package or should I just download from java.sun.com?
[02:42] <biovore> java.sun.com
[02:42] <AlwaysModest> i mean i knew linux was good but i didn't know ubuntu was this good
[02:42] <andrewski> biovore: almost everything, excluding java. :P
[02:42] <mattlins> :)
[02:42] <biovore> lol, well thats a custom joby :-)
[02:42] <biovore> no deb for sun java
[02:42] <andrewski> biovore: yes, because it's not included. :P
[02:43] <biovore> be funny if milarat had a java deb on him mirror, lol
[02:43] <nickrud> mattlins, http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php has good, detailed instructions for installing java
[02:43] <nickrud> he includes an ubuntu section
[02:43] <mattlins> nickrud : thanks I'll check it out
[02:43] <AlwaysModest> its time to me a frozen pizza in celebration
[02:43] <dimeo> sumbudy said the other nite that theres a plugin to get .rm files playing on mplayer/xine/ or totem  ne1 know how to do this?
[02:44] <nickrud> mattlins, it beats all the ones I've seen so far.
[02:44] <herpes> mattlins, the easiest way to install java is to install blackdown java
[02:44] <mattlins> herpes: that's what I'm having problems with as of now
[02:44] <WhiteRabbit> xine should play .rm files by default
[02:44] <biovore> lol, I like that guys method..
[02:44] <biovore> make the sun java installer a deb...
[02:44] <herpes> problems with blackdown java?
[02:45] <nickrud> biovore, it takes 2 lines in a shell.
[02:45] <biovore> yup..
[02:45] <mattlins> more like problems with netbeans and blackdown
[02:45] <dimeo> whiterabbit thx will try
[02:45] <AlwaysModest> anyone know a good source to read about apt?
[02:45] <herpes> mattlins, i have no idea what netbeans are so probably cant help you sorry
[02:45] <Sol-Badguy> no really we shouldn't use breezy? :P
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> no
[02:45] <herpes> AlwaysModest, man apt?
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> do not use breezy
[02:45] <AlwaysModest> duh!
[02:46] <AlwaysModest> my bad sorry
[02:46] <Sol-Badguy> I know I was messing around
[02:46] <biovore> netbeans is the sun java development IDE
[02:46] <Sol-Badguy> I can read
[02:46] <AlwaysModest> i wasn't really thinking thanks herpes
[02:46] <andrewski> i was using it until last weekend.
[02:46] <herpes> biovore, sort of like eclipse?
[02:46] <andrewski> then some update caused my X to crash and i came here for help and read the topic.
[02:46] <biovore> yeah.. kinda the same idea
[02:46] <andrewski> DOH!
[02:46] <Sol-Badguy> lol
[02:47] <nickrud> biovore, it's supposed to do both, he just used jre as the most likely install
[02:47] <[noobuntu] > di i need special rep's to install matlab? is it in the apt?
[02:47] <biovore> matlab is comercel, no apt..  try GNU octive
[02:47] <Sol-Badguy> just out of curiousity is their any way to get the emulator gens to work right in linux in double render? I am just curious
[02:48] <andrewski> crimsun: and /proc is on-the-fly too, right?
[02:48] <andrewski> (to refer to our conversation a while ago :)
[02:49] <[noobuntu] > biovore, ist there any kind of "simulink" included in octive?
[02:49] <Curlydave> AHHHHHH
[02:49] <Curlydave> i just did it right and put in the ece first then patch
[02:49] <dimeo> is there a .wmv and .rm plugin for totem?  I've got the totem-xine package installed
[02:49] <Curlydave> and i can't run ut again :(!
[02:49] <Lafitte-> so how doi download the 686 kernel ?
[02:49] <dimeo> got mp3 and .avi divx files working so far, but not .wmv and .rm
[02:49] <andrewski> rm -rf root O_O
[02:50] <andrewski> dimeo: check ubuntuguide.org on how to add codecs.
[02:50] <dimeo> anrewski dunnit already. someone told me last nite that totem can do it... the guide doesn't say
[02:50] <dimeo> great guide tho... among the best of any distro
[02:50] <andrewski> dimeo: yes, once you install the codecs package, totem (and any xine-based player) should pick them up.
[02:51] <Lafitte-> anyone know doifference  with linux-686  and linux-686-smp ?
[02:51] <anto9us> Lafitte-: smp is for muliple processors
[02:51] <dcraven> Lafitte-: SMP is for multi processors.
[02:52] <odyssey> Lafitte-, smp is for hyperthreading cpus or if you have..see aboce
[02:52] <dcraven> Lafitte-: Or p4
[02:52] <Lafitte-> anto9us, i have p4 m   which do i need >
[02:52] <Lafitte-> ?
[02:52] <andrewski> dimeo: did you do that?
[02:52] <Lafitte-> oh  thanks guys
[02:53] <wallflower> Er i mount a windows share, and when i try to cp it to a local place it creates the file and filename but with 0 data
[02:53] <dimeo> andrewski  I'm running "sudo apt-get install w32codecs"  looks good so far
[02:54] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  will apt install the kernel for me ?
[02:54] <anto9us> Lafitte-: yes
[02:54] <calamari> does anyone else egt redirected to 1dial.search-results-site.com when they enter a bad url (like fdashdasjdas.org) ?
[02:54] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  its done ???    how long should it take ?
[02:54] <[noobuntu] > @ll: is there any kind of "simulink" thing included in GNU octive?
[02:55] <calamari> sorry.. firefox :)
[02:55] <anto9us> Lafitte-: you can set it as default from grub when you reboot
[02:55] <andrewski> dimeo: 'so far'?
[02:55] <Lafitte-> anto9us,   ok  rebooting now
[02:56] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  it seemed to become default already
[02:56] <dimeo> andrewski  ok .wmv works great, but still no .rm files working
[02:56] <humbraro> calamari: not here - running firefox on windoze atm
[02:56] <andrewski> dimeo: good luck; i have no idea on those. :P
[02:57] <novaflare> where does gnome store its settings for things like the application menu?
[02:57] <SlicerDicer> why would kicker all the sudden break and screw up? I have no clock or anything.... all I did was add kdeartwork
[02:58] <anto9us> Lafitte-: even better :)
[02:58] <Lafitte-> anto9us, what is the difference between them ??    386 and 686 ?
[02:59] <frank> 686=optimized
[02:59] <anto9us> Lafitte-: 686 is compiled on the 686 family processors and therefore will take advantage of that processor's features
[02:59] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: do you have /etc/kderc?
[02:59] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  ty
[02:59] <Lafitte-> frank, ty
[03:00] <Riddell> SlicerDicer: you can join #kubuntu
[03:02] <anto9us> Riddell: you're involved in setting up a UK loco right?
[03:02] <dimeo> anyone know of a good notes manager / organizer  "tree" style for ubuntu?
[03:03] <dimeo> Post its get messy fast
[03:03] <YokoZa1> Hey, I installed Samba like here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba  but I can't configure a windows workgroup or anything in the general tab of my network settings - it's like samba isn't there.  I've already tried rebooting.  I also can't see the windows shares when I view the windows network.
[03:03] <YokoZa1> Did I miss a step?
[03:03] <humbraro> dimeo: gnome has a post-it thingie you can put on your toolbar
[03:04] <humbraro> then you can clutter your whole desktop :)
[03:04] <iamnow> hi
[03:04] <YokoZa1> welcome
[03:04] <iamnow> how do you play windows media streams?
[03:04] <iamnow> hi
[03:04] <dimeo> humbraro.... yea I got it going first thing... but there's a nice kde program in xandros that organizes your notes by name in a tree hierarchy.... I'm looking for one in ubuntu
[03:05] <YokoZa1> iamnow: Have you checked http://www.ubuntuguide.org/  ?
[03:05] <dimeo> iamnow.. just set that up  you gotta do " "sudo apt-get install w32codecs"
[03:05] <IIIEars> dimeo - what is is called?
[03:05] <humbraro> dimeo: sounds like you might find it in apt, but i don't know of anything for gnome that would compare - others might be able to help better
[03:05] <dimeo> good question  mynotes? can't remember
[03:06] <YokoZa1> Try installing the w32codecs and xine like it mentions on the guide
[03:06] <IIIEars> Sounds pretty good! :)
[03:06] <dimeo> notecase?
[03:06] <andrewski> dimeo: there are a few, dunno the names, but don't give up. :P
[03:06] <iamnow> dimeo: that doesnt work
[03:07] <IIIEars> Yep "notecase" - nice...
[03:07] <moga> I am disperate can someone tell how I can install gnome-core withot to install firefox ?
[03:07] <Curlydave> hey
[03:07] <Curlydave> i got the dual-booting workgin
[03:08] <iamnow> YokoZa1: ok thanks
[03:08] <Curlydave> apparenlty its another thing that doens't get configed right by default
[03:08] <Curlydave> like my fucked uup hosts file
[03:08] <anto9us> dimeo: there's a hierarchic text editor in universe called woody, I've never used it but you might want to look
[03:08] <dimeo> auto9us will do thx
[03:09] <Musagetes> I have the newest version of Java installed, but for some reason I can't connect to server based java things such as chats and multiplayer java games. Does anybody know what might be causing this?
[03:09] <dimeo> isn't woody the name for debian?
[03:10] <Marble2> woody is a version of debian
[03:10] <anto9us> dimeo: it's the name of a debian release, yes
[03:10] <Marble2> just as warty is a version of ubuntu
[03:10] <andrewski> dimeo: isn't gentoo a distribution of linux?
[03:10] <mattlins> biovore : this is what I get on a fakeroot of sun's java .bin "./install.sfx.15334: error while loading shared libraries: libfakeroot.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:10] <mattlins> "
[03:11] <iamnow> how come all the little things you have to do step by step after you install ubuntu are just simple bash scripts?
[03:11] <andrewski> iamnow: because ubuntu does a lot for you?
[03:12] <MonkeyBonkey> errrr
[03:12] <CarlK> iamnow - you don't have to do them ;)
[03:12] <MonkeyBonkey> i cant find a way to put ice wm on ubuntu
[03:12] <gorilla_> iamnow, because the bash is a sheel that you can guarantee will be installed... unlinke perl or some other interpreter.
[03:12] <MonkeyBonkey> is there like ice wm easy install or sumthing\
[03:13] <dimeo> iamnow... it's worth it... you can type a line and you've done what takes 15 min in windoze
[03:13] <MonkeyBonkey> Can someone please tutorial me how to install ICewm
[03:13] <iamnow> im just saying if your gonna list the step you may as well just make a script for them is all
[03:13] <humbraro> MonkeyBonkey: do you have universe in your repository?
[03:13] <MonkeyBonkey> the computer with linux does not have internet
[03:13] <MonkeyBonkey> Humbraro help
[03:13] <andrewski> humbraro: i have many repositories in my universe. :)
[03:13] <MonkeyBonkey> can someone help me install icewm
[03:13] <dimeo> iamnow... everyone wants to do different things with their system.... or moreover.. not want to install certain things
[03:13] <humbraro> well that won't help without an internet connection
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> well i can trasfer the packages or whatever from this comp onto the linux one
[03:14] <andrewski> MonkeyBonkey: then do it.  download, put on floppy, and install.
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> how do i install icewm
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> which package, what do i type to install
[03:14] <andrewski> MonkeyBonkey: dpkg -i icewm.deb
[03:14] <MonkeyBonkey> wheres icewm.deb
[03:15] <humbraro> MonkeyBonkey: you'll need someone who's better with dpkg than me
[03:15] <andrewski> MonkeyBonkey: i don't know.  take some initiative.
[03:15] <MonkeyBonkey> errrrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:15] <MonkeyBonkey> what other linux distribs have icewm on them already
[03:15] <pfp> MonkeyBonkey: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[03:15] <MonkeyBonkey> ya
[03:15] <MonkeyBonkey> i already tried that
[03:16] <MonkeyBonkey> and ummm it says its missing other shit
[03:16] <andrewski> MonkeyBonkey: errrrrr, then install that missing shit.
[03:16] <iamnow> dimeo: i never said you have to install the script
[03:16] <novaflare> so no one knows where the config for gnomes application places and system menu are located?
[03:16] <andrewski> novaflare: ask in #gnome or on GimpNet
[03:17] <Synnergy> Ok - favorite topic :)  Any X supers help me with the nv tv-out .. I know - tons of info, but I got it up and running mostly - but wm locks after about 30 seconds.. but mouse can still move to tv - but kde lust stops
[03:17] <benkong2> what does this mean?  Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release
[03:17] <andrewski> later all.
[03:18] <benkong2> I am using the  HOWTO: 32-Bit Chroot on 64-Bit Installs
[03:18] <benkong2> I issued the command sudo debootstrap --arch i386 hoary /chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[03:20] <nadav> Hi, I'm trying to get mysql-server working but it won't start. I get "Can't open file: 'host.MYI'. (errno: 142)
[03:20] <Synnergy> Anyone have any ideas?  I can boot up, log in, and move around, but as soon as  a window hits second monitor, kde just hangs - have to power off
[03:20] <nadav> "
[03:20] <nadav> and Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found (Errcode: 2)
[03:20] <gorilla_> nadav, fresh install of mysql-server??
[03:20] <MonkeyBonkey> how do i run a .bin in ubuntu?
[03:21] <humbraro> Synnergy: sounds like a bug in kde or X, might want to try #kubuntu
[03:21] <nadav> gorilla_: I had 4.1 installed before, but I removed it.
[03:21] <humbraro> Synnergy: or just incomplete/bad driver
[03:21] <gorilla_> MonkeyBonkey, try ./<filename>.bin
[03:21] <MonkeyBonkey> hmmm
[03:21] <MonkeyBonkey> u seem smart
[03:22] <gorilla_> nadav, try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
[03:22] <conover> Anyone using xfig on Ubuntu?
[03:24] <_hp_> is there a wysiwyg html editors for linux yet?
[03:24] <nalioth> _hp_: many
[03:24] <Dave2|Laptop> nvu
[03:24] <nadav> gorilla_: didn't help. I also keep on getting "shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory"
[03:25] <nalioth> _hp_: try quanta or nvu
[03:25] <nalioth> _hp_: or even (gulp) mozilla composer
[03:25] <brap> Has anyone heard about a problem installing ubuntu on centrino laptops after the first reboot on install?
[03:25] <humbraro> _hp_: OOo can export to html, mozilla used to have one, don't know if they do anymore
[03:26] <_hp_> trying quanta... i just need something for rudimentary
[03:27] <caonex> I am running firefox in a broadband network; and after doing some of the tunning suggested for speeding it, it still hangs for about 10 seconds before entering the desire website, any ideas?
[03:27] <angel12> how do i reconfigure xfree86 on warty
[03:27] <brap> angel12: xf86config
[03:28] <_hp_> photoshop runs pretty well in linux
[03:28] <dimeo> hp using crossover/
[03:28] <dimeo> ?
[03:28] <MonkeyBonkey> to run a bin i just go sudo ???.bin right?
[03:28] <angel12> brap: isnt there a dpkg reconfigure thing?
[03:28] <brap> Has anyone heard about a problem installing ubuntu on centrino laptops after the first reboot on install?
[03:28] <_hp_> dimeo: yes, the trial version...
[03:28] <nickrud> angel12, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:28] <brap> yeah
[03:28] <Dave2|Laptop> MonkeyBonkey, you may want a `sh` before the ???.bin
[03:28] <MonkeyBonkey> sudo sh ???.bin?
[03:28] <MonkeyBonkey> that
[03:29] <Dave2|Laptop> If the executable attribute isn't set
[03:29] <Dave2|Laptop> yeah
[03:29] <MonkeyBonkey> k
[03:29] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz i got the XFce4 installer
[03:29] <MonkeyBonkey> so im installing htat insteal of icewm
[03:30] <darkaudit> MonkeyBonkey: why not apt-get install xfce?
[03:30] <MonkeyBonkey> cuz i dont have internet on the computer with linux
[03:33] <mattlins> How do I edit the drawers on the top panel?
[03:33] <gorilla_> MonkeyBonkey, you are going to find it easier to either move the computer or get a connection to that computer.... other wise youa re going to have to work out the dependencies, burn them to a cd and then dpkg -i those files onto the other computer.
[03:33] <carthik> Doe anyone know of a channel where someone can answer a few basic linux questions?
[03:33] <CarlK> #linuxhelp
[03:34] <Xenguy> carthik: not having any luck here?
[03:34] <Jormundgand> In Synaptic there's a bunch of packages marked upgradable, but they threaten to remove packages which sound vital if I upgrade them. I also can't install a bunch of packages because they need versions of packages which aren't there. What do I do?
[03:34] <MonkeyBonkey> yes i tryed hooking my linux computer up to a internet connection and it didnt detect the internet
[03:34] <MonkeyBonkey> why?
[03:34] <CarlK> and be sure to just ask ;)
[03:34] <carthik> Xenguy, they are not ubuntu questions in particular. The question is,w hat is the right way to fetch mail (to /var/mail) from various imap accounts?
[03:34] <gorilla_> MonkeyBonkey, connected it in which way??? modem, cable, lan...
[03:35] <MonkeyBonkey> cable intenet
[03:35] <Xenguy> carthik: there is something called 'offlineimap'...
[03:35] <Xenguy> carthik: (going from memory there) -- I've never used it though, just heard good things
[03:35] <carthik> Xenguy, okay, I will look for that - but is that the way I can use Pine or Mutt to read mail, instead of a gui mail reader
[03:35] <gorilla_> MonkeyBonkey, can you ping the gateway? (ie your cable modem)
[03:35] <_kevin> any one here set up a shoutcast like server and radio on their comp? if so can you tell me how i would set that up on ubuntu, i want to stream music to some friends
[03:36] <MonkeyBonkey> no no itnernet was working on the linux
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> hi.
[03:36] <MonkeyBonkey> like none
[03:36] <Xenguy> carthik: both do imap AFAIK
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i need some help.
[03:36] <MonkeyBonkey> w/e
[03:36] <MonkeyBonkey> be back soon
[03:36] <carthik> Xenguy,  point is, I would like to ssh to my work computer and read mail from wherever I am.
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> gnome (or the default desktop) used to start on boot.
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> now it doesn't.
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i accidentally removed it from startup.
[03:36] <dimeo> is gtk and gnome related?
[03:36] <Xenguy> carthik: I'm not really an imap guy, so I default to my first suggestion :-)
[03:36] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> and i don't know how.
[03:37] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> how do i add it to the startup list again?
[03:37] <carthik> Xenguy, thank you very much.
[03:37] <Xenguy> carthik: yw, and good luck
[03:37] <carthik> :)
[03:39] <IIIEars> I need a tip for sound with UT, UT2k4. OSS, ALSA? - everthing is okay with the volume controls.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> gnome (or the default desktop) used to start on boot.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> now it doesn't.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i accidentally removed it from startup.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> and i don't know how.
[03:40] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> how do i add it to the startup list again?
[03:41] <IIIEars> alphabet add apps to sessions and they will start on boot.
[03:41] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> how?
[03:42] <IIIEars> preferences ... sessions ... startup
[03:42] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> uh
[03:42] <sebdc> IIIEars is anything else running; try maybe killall esd
[03:42] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i'm at a command screen how.
[03:42] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> i rebooted it.
[03:42] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> and i'm logged in as root.
[03:42] <hodgman> anyone here try out the messenger program skype ?
[03:43] <foxiness> can i change vfat label on linux and how ? e2label - ex2 & 3-
[03:43] <IIIEars> okay - let me check
[03:43] <hodgman> says its a secure voice/chat program
[03:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> How do I get a TV Tuner Card to work in ubuntu?
[03:44] <IIIEars> sebdc - mixer applet is running?
[03:44] <odyssey> FlyingSquirrel32, got tvtime?
[03:44] <pfp> hodgman: i've used skype for chatting
[03:44] <nickrud> alphabet[NTNWWNe, ls /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm to see if the startup link is there
[03:44] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> IIIEars: sebdc left.
[03:44] <MonkeyBonkey> oh
[03:44] <MonkeyBonkey> man
[03:44] <MonkeyBonkey> quick help
[03:44] <IIIEars> darn! - lol
[03:44] <MonkeyBonkey> im installing flux box and it says i need superuser privlidges
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> how do i do that
[03:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey, I will in a few minutes...
[03:45] <Marble2> sudo
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> what
[03:45] <Marble2> put sudo before the command
[03:45] <Musagetes> Prefix your install commands with 'sudo'
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> sudo dpkg -i fluxbox.deb
[03:45] <IIIEars> alphabet, - were you able to add your app to start up?
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> ok
[03:45] <MonkeyBonkey> brb
[03:45] <mattlins> how do i edit my the drawers in the top panel/
[03:45] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> nickrud: tried. i get "mv: cannot stat '/etc/rc3.d/S13gdm': no such file or directory
[03:45] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> IIIEars: nope.
[03:45] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> IIIEars: i'm in a non-gui
[03:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, yeah it's pretty good, free if the other guy has it/
[03:46] <IIIEars> ah - okay i am too new too help with that yet,
[03:46] <hodgman> FlyingSquirrel32: you're running on debian/ubuntu?
[03:46] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, better sound quality even than normal phone if connecting to another skype user
[03:46] <odyssey> FlyingSquirrel32, no tvtime is a nice application fro watching tv with your tv tuner card
[03:46] <jevidl> question - any suggestions what would prevent me from changing the screen res. above 640? my display will support 1024
[03:46] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> wait, i think i got it.
[03:46] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> it's K13gdm
[03:46] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> yep, it works
[03:46] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> THANKS!
[03:46] <jevidl> I think my color depth is way off too
[03:47] <frank> jevidl, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:47] <bass85> .... can somebody tell me which r the keyboard shortcuts in ubuntu ?????
[03:47] <funk> jevidl - drivers
[03:47] <nickrud> alphabet[NTNWWNe, change that back to S13gdm :)
[03:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, I've not used it myself, but a friend on windows calls family in mexico all the time.
[03:47] <jevidl> frank: already set up that way. default depth is first
[03:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, it's free for her!
[03:47] <bass85> ?
[03:47] <r0d> ubuntu installs apache by default??
[03:47] <jevidl> funk: I thought it was picking them up right, I guess i will check it out again
[03:47] <jevidl> frank: sorry, I mean the default res is there
[03:47] <hodgman> FlyingSquirrel32: yeah..that's what I'm thinking. My brother is getting transfered over to Germany for 4 years
[03:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey, how do I get drivers, or do I need them?
[03:48] <frank> jevidl, did you change the frequencies in the monitor section as well?
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> r0d: no.
[03:48] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, I definitly would. especially if he also has internet access.
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> r0d: try apt-get install apache2
[03:48] <hodgman> yeah he will
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> or type
[03:48] <jevidl> frank: let me double check. I thought it was kosher with xorg.conf
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> synaptic
[03:48] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> in a root console
[03:48] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, better quality, and free at the same time!
[03:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, I have no one to call :(
[03:49] <r0d> alphabet[NTNWWNe, why doesn it say i have apache-common.
[03:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> hodgman, perhaps if I move to another country and still have internet conn.
[03:49] <hodgman> hehe
[03:50] <funk> That's one of the drawbacks to Skype...   :)   If you're friends aren't geeks, you're stuck...   You could cal a nice loopback number and talk to yourself....    I tend ot do that for hours..
[03:50] <hodgman> it does regular chat too..so I'm going to get all of my family to get it
[03:50] <Marble2> Hey, I noticed, my computer has been locking up alot.
[03:50] <IIIEars> lol
[03:50] <Marble2> all my windows get the little, move thing going, where it's a plus sign
[03:50] <jevidl> frank: my resolutions are all listed under screen, is there supposed to be one under monitor too?
[03:50] <hodgman> i'm the regular "tech" guy in the family so they do what I say
[03:50] <Marble2> and I can't click anything to kill the app in terminal
[03:50] <Marble2> I just move windows around
[03:50] <Marble2> I can't kill X11, ctrl alt backspace doesn't work
[03:50] <Marble2> I have to restart, any ideas what the problem is?
[03:51] <frank> jevidl, what is your HorizSync and VertRefresh numbers?
[03:51] <CarlK> forget Skype - figure out how to use linphone and freeworlddialup.com
[03:51] <odyssey> FlyingSquirrel32, if you have a tv tuner card with a bt chipset there is a kernel module for it
[03:51] <nickrud> r0d, I have a very vanilla install, and apache-common is not on mine
[03:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> funk, or if you're a geek in a different country from your family.
[03:51] <odyssey> so bascially just chuck it in and it should go
[03:52] <funk> Spekaing of VoIP..  Ayone running their own VoIP gateway router / PBX etc?
[03:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey, not sure of the chipset, haugepauge or something like that is the brand.
[03:52] <IIIEars> FlyingSquirrel - you have to fly home set it up then fly back to chat.
[03:52] <jevidl> frank: wierd. I don't even see it. I think that the install didn't get the xorg right now that I look a bit closer.
[03:52] <CarlK> funk - I am getting read to using Yate
[03:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey, where can I find a list of supported devices? Or at least somewhere to start looking...
[03:52] <CarlK> www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Open%20Source%20VOIP%20Software
[03:53] <CarlK> funk - getting ready to
[03:54] <funk> CarlK: what all do you need to use that?  Vonage, regular Freeworld ID??   I want to have like one number / address and have my own accounts off that one.. "Dial 1 for me, 2 for my wife", VM, etc but haven't had much luck..
[03:54] <CarlK> funk - I havn't figured out how to make it "slick" yet
[03:54] <CarlK> funk - well, I havn't figured out anything really
[03:54] <funk> Seems we are at about the same crossroad..
[03:56] <funk> I've installed a few but the configs were a little cryptic and many wanted a SIP phone (real one).  I kinda want to emulate a softphone and route all the calls locally.
[03:57] <CarlK> funk - check out yate
[03:57] <funk> Doing that now....   Thanks for the headsup BTW
[03:57] <CarlK> funk - it works with both hard and soft phones, even comes with 2
[03:57] <CarlK> but it is very "new" so be prepaired
[03:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey: No Signal :-/
[03:59] <carthik> I lost my old gnupg private key along with the windows xp that i had installed -terrible catastrophe. Now how do I get a new key pair?
[03:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> odyssey: nice software, though.
[04:03] <funk> CalK: Thanks for the heads up on Yate..  I'd been to that site a few times and tried Asterisk but for some reasn never got to Yate.   I'll give it a shot though.
[04:04] <funk> CarlK too..  :)
[04:04] <inva|id> I have both gcc 4.0 and gcc 3.3 -- how would I compile something using the older 3.3 ?
[04:05] <levander`> Anybody here is using mysql?  Why did they do the packages so that mysql-server doesn't auto-upgrade to mysql-server-4.1? Why'd they change the package name?
[04:09] <odyssey> man qemu is awesome
[04:10] <iamnow> what is Stream Directory Browser (streamtuner)
[04:10] <iamnow> ?
[04:10] <dcraven> inva|id: You can use /usr/bin/gcc33
[04:10] <IIIEars> what are you using qemu for?
[04:11] <iamnow> the ubuntuguide is good
[04:11] <inva|id> dcraven: sorry, what I mean to say was how to run a makefile using that version..
[04:11] <IIIEars> er.. What are you using qemu with..
[04:12] <dcraven> inva|id: Your own makefile?
[04:12] <andrewski> i'm trying to switch my primary hard drive, but i'm not sure how to tell grub to look at (hd0,1) of the new primary drive instead of (hd0,0) of the current primary drive.  anyone know how to do that?
[04:12] <dcraven> inva|id: /usr/bin/gcc is just a symlink. You can change that if need be, but I'd change it back when you are done.
[04:13] <Ryan_> Im downloading ubuntu just now, what kind of shell doesn it use?
[04:13] <inva|id> dcraven: ah thats exactly what I was looking for, I think - thanks I'll try
[04:13] <shad0w1e> anyone know why after an "ubuntu update" (top right corner, update icon in gnome) my sound card no longer works? I have a sound blaster live!
[04:13] <pfp> andrewski: you need to provide a device map to grub i believe
[04:13] <andrewski> pfp: ok, i'll look that up; any tips?
[04:13] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: gnome-terminal running bash IIRC
[04:14] <pfp> andrewski: install grub-doc (?) and see 'info grub'
[04:14] <andrewski> pfp: i'm already looking at the manual; i just meant anything in addition. :P  thanks for the help!
[04:14] <Dr_Melectaus> Thanks elcu , for that shell could you reccomend a good book for getting to grips with it?
[04:14] <levander`> shad0w1e: there was a kernel update recently, updated your kernel prolly screwed it up
[04:14] <elcu> quick question: how can i scroll the process list in 'top'?
[04:15] <pfp> andrewski: k :)
[04:15] <shad0w1e> levander: but the old kernel isnt in my boot menu
[04:15] <shad0w1e> if thats the case
[04:15] <shad0w1e> is that possible?
[04:15] <rommer> whats the most popular distro used on linux servers?
[04:16] <shad0w1e> red hat?
[04:16] <shad0w1e> freebsd?
[04:16] <andrewski> gentoo?
[04:16] <thunderbolt> susE?
[04:16] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: easy answer: Google :)
[04:16] <rommer> i dunno i'm asking you
[04:16] <rommer> :)
[04:16] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: check out this link: http://www.maththinking.com/boat/booksIndex.html
[04:16] <levander`> shad0w1e: actually, i'm running 2.6-686-smp, don't know if they also updated other kernels, maybe they didn't update yours?
[04:16] <andrewski> rommer: look up some stats. :P
[04:16] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: search for bash and it will give you a few entries
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> yes but from your exspieriance. could you reccomend a good book?
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> k
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> ty
[04:17] <dcraven> rommer: I'm guessing Debian.
[04:17] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: not really.  i'm no expert.
[04:17] <nickrud> shad0w1e, lsmod | grep snd will tell you if hotplug loaded your sound modules
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> lol fair enough
[04:17] <shad0w1e> levander: you have two processors?
[04:17] <Dr_Melectaus> :)
[04:17] <dcraven> rommer: Assuming you are looking for a Free solution.
[04:17] <rommer> dcraven: yea
[04:18] <levander`> shad0w1e: yeah
[04:18] <rommer> <insert "free" into question>
[04:18] <shad0w1e> nice
[04:18] <shad0w1e> let me ask. does a dual processor give you anything on photoshop?
[04:19] <levander`> shad0w1e: don't know, it depends on if photoshop is multithreaded or not.
[04:19] <shad0w1e> i see
[04:19] <thunderbolt> shad0w1e: from my recollection photoshop is only single threaded
[04:19] <shad0w1e> its um that simple?
[04:19] <elcu> Dr_Melectaus: i'd bookmark that page for future reference.  it's got some pretty good links :-)
[04:19] <shad0w1e> single-threaded: no, multi-threaded, yes?
[04:19] <levander`> shad0w1e: but, if your using photoshop to do a lot of bulk encoding (e.g., a process that pegs your CPU and takes a long time to complete), you will still be able to use your other processor like nothing is pegging your processor at all.
[04:20] <Dr_Melectaus> ok thanks elcu
[04:20] <levander`> shad0w1e: that even if photoshop is not multithreaded
[04:20] <navreet> how can I use flash under 64bit?
[04:20] <shad0w1e> in other words, windows will set one processor on photoshop and the other one youll have for your other processes... yes?
[04:20] <levander`> shad0w1e: that last explanation is true of all batch processing, not just photoshop
[04:20] <levander`> shad0w1e: yes
[04:20] <shad0w1e> lsmod shows my ac'97 codec being loaded, not my sound blaster live
[04:21] <shad0w1e> im gonna go check and make sure ac'97 is disabled in bios again
[04:21] <shad0w1e> thanks, whoever gave me that ti..
[04:21] <levander`> shad0w1e: unless the batch process is multi-threaded, then the batch process will take both processors, but get its work done much faster.
[04:21] <shad0w1e> right, makes sense
[04:21] <shad0w1e> is linux better at multithreading?
[04:22] <shad0w1e> does lsmod show all modules on the comp, or all modules loaded?
[04:22] <nickrud> shad0w1e, you can blacklist the ac'97 in /etc/hotplug/hoplug.d/ , that's how I deal with my onboard sound
[04:22] <levander`> shad0w1e: the answer used to be yes, but I think XP has caught up with Linux in that area
[04:22] <rommer> how can i setup an alias for 'sudo apt-get update' so i can type something like 'sagu'
[04:22] <nickrud> just the ones loaded
[04:23] <andrewski> rommer: look up bash aliases.
[04:23] <shad0w1e> so if its disabled in bios
[04:23] <sherwin> how do i install java runtime environment
[04:23] <levander`> rommer: alias sagu="sudo apt-get update" - but that sounds like a silly alias to me
[04:23] <shad0w1e> shouldnt modprobe NOT find it?
[04:23] <levander`> rommer: you usually alias things that you type a lot, and a lot in the same hour, to save a few keystrokes
[04:23] <rommer> levander: it was only an example
[04:23] <elcu> sherwin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:23] <sherwin> thanks
[04:23] <dcraven> rommer: alias sagu="sudo apt-get update"
[04:24] <ukato> do i have to install any drivers to get a microphone to work properly
[04:24] <ukato> or should that be done by default
[04:24] <shad0w1e> aight thanks guys
[04:24] <shad0w1e> imm gona have a look in bios
[04:24] <navreet> how can I get flash working for 64bit?
[04:24] <rommer> thanks
[04:25] <sherwin> elcu i have already installed java 1.5 but the web page keep saying i should install the missing plugin
[04:25] <ukato> anddd
[04:25] <nickrud> no offence, elcu, but http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php is a cleaner site right now
[04:26] <ukato> is it hard to get linux to see an NTFS format hard drive
[04:26] <Juhaz> as long as read-only is enough, no
[04:26] <elcu> nickrud: none taken.  i just googled :-)
[04:26] <elcu> sherwin: nickrud might be able to offer more help
[04:26] <nickrud> elcu, I used to give that one, but it was confusing everyone
[04:27] <carthik> I lost my old gnupg private key along with the windows xp that i had installed -terrible catastrophe. Now how do I get a new key pair?
[04:27] <benplaut> wnight: you out there?
[04:27] <elcu> nickrud: i'll keep that in mind.  thanks for the tip.
[04:27] <ukato> juhaz, what do i do to do that
[04:27] <ukato> if you don't mind
[04:27] <starshine> does ubuntu live CD have a terminal server mode?
[04:28] <Quequeg> carthik, your first priority should be learning to use burning and backup tools.  :)
[04:28] <starshine> e.g. so I can stick one in a decent high end workstation and have it serve to a batch of ancient beasts?
[04:28] <nickrud> sherwin, uh, I use a package, but I think you need to link the java plugin into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[04:28] <carthik> Quequeg, indeed. I have rync over ssh backups now
[04:29] <Quequeg> carthik, Ah, I like that approach myself.  I was just bustin' your nuts.
[04:29] <elcu> sherwin: looking at the link nickrud provided, this might help: http://serios.net/content/debian/java/#browserplugin
[04:29] <sherwin> nickrud: how do i do that
[04:30] <pfp> ukato: mount -t ntfs -oro /dev/hdxx /foo
[04:30] <carthik> Quequeg, :) so any clue how - 'bout the gpg question?
[04:30] <Quequeg> gpg --gen-key?
[04:30] <nickrud> sherwin, did you restart firefox :)
[04:30] <carthik> Quequeg, what about the old?
[04:31] <dcraven> carthik: I should hope it's difficult to generate the private key by using the public one.
[04:31] <Quequeg> carthik, well, you can't re-create your old private key using your public, if that's what you mean -- it would defeat the whole purpose.
[04:31] <nickrud> sherwin, check http://serios.net/content/debian/java/browser-plugin.php#libjavapluginlocation for your version, then
[04:31] <carthik> dcraven, i should, too :)
[04:31] <Kevin__> Hello
[04:32] <nickrud> cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and sudo ln -s <that plugin> .  (that's a period)
[04:32] <carthik> Quequeg, i want to revoke the old key(pair) and get a new pair, or is that what I want? What about all those folks who already have my public keys, and all those keyservers?
[04:32] <duken> helo
[04:32] <Kevin__> How can I unistall a .bin file? (realplay-<IP_ADDRESS>0-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin)
[04:33] <duken> The Application "gnome-screenshot" has quit unexpectedly. <-- why ??
[04:33] <Kevin__> How can I uninstall a .bin file? (realplay-<IP_ADDRESS>0-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin)
[04:33] <starshine> :(
[04:33] <saber_> kevin: ./file
[04:34] <hondje> Hi.  Setting up /etc/hdparm.conf, in the section /dev/hdb I want to set the automatic acoustic management to 254.  command line would be hdparm -M254, but what about in the format hdparm.conf uses?
[04:34] <dcraven> Kevin__: I'm not sure you can.
[04:34] <nickrud> sherwin, and you want  greater than 3.2 for gcc
[04:34] <Quequeg> carthik, I don't think you can revoke without the private, so you're probably stuck with a new pair, and emailing everyone you know not to use the old.  Unfortunately.
[04:34] <Glitch407x> Hello?
[04:34] <carthik> Quequeg, i dont understand how the servers will just accept the new keys... ?
[04:34] <sherwin> nickrud: what is it. my question is on java runtime
[04:35] <Kevin__> saber_ Can you give me the full command?
[04:35] <saber_> kevin: that is the full command
[04:35] <duken> hi
[04:35] <saber_> kevin: replace file with the file you want to execute
[04:35] <eob84> does anyone know where I can get drivers that support ATI Mobility M6 chipset?
[04:35] <nickrud> sherwin, that's the plugin for firefox
[04:35] <duken> what happen with gnome-screenshot
[04:35] <duken> ?
[04:35] <pfp> i think kevin was talking about _un_installing fo
[04:35] <elcu> saber_: i think he wants to *uninstall*
[04:35] <dcraven> saber_: He's trying to *un*install it.
[04:35] <Kevin__> saber_ don't I need sudo before?
[04:35] <nickrud> sherwin, and you want to do that in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins to :)
[04:35] <saber_> oh my bad
[04:35] <eob84> I can use the generic radeon drivers but they don't work to well with my chip
[04:35] <Quequeg> carthik, depending on how it was generated, it may expire on its own.   As for accepting new keys, I could send in keys as George W Bush, and they wouldn't care.
[04:36] <Glitch407x> I installed Ubuntu and when it trys to boot it says it is unable to start x drive "the gui".
[04:36] <duken> he Application "gnome-screenshot" has quit unexpectedly.
[04:36] <duken> You can inform the developers of what happened to help them fix it.  Or you can restart the application right now.
[04:36] <saber_> kevin: locate realplay, then rm -rf directory
[04:36] <saber_> kevin: find . -name *realplay* -print
[04:37] <Glitch407x> <--needs help please.
[04:37] <ukato> pfp, thanks
[04:37] <elcu> duken: nothing's perfect.  can you run it again?
[04:37] <sherwin> nickrud: sory but how do i do that dont know the comman
[04:37] <sherwin> dont know the command
[04:38] <nickrud> sherwin, no problem, in a terminal, cd /usr/lib/mozilla/
[04:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm trying to get my TV Tuner car to work in ubuntu. It works in RH and Suse, but the ubuntu wiki says It doesn't doesn't work in ubuntu
[04:38] <sherwin> ok ill do that
[04:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'd like to find a solution to use and share, but I'd need a bit of direction to get started... any suggestions?
[04:39] <sherwin> ok ive done it whats next
[04:39] <elcu> eob84: can you run: lspci | grep "ATI"
[04:39] <nickrud> ok, where'd you install the jre
[04:39] <phoenixp3k> XMMS and Mplayer crashing, some help or info on that? Usig Hoary
[04:40] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: Is it a nvidia card?
[04:40] <sherwin> nickrud: ive done installation using synaptic i dont know where it is located
[04:40] <duken> Elcu: yes i do
[04:40] <eob84> eclu, yea
[04:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> hondje, no Hauppauge, BT848
[04:40] <duken> but still can't run
[04:40] <elcu> eob84: does it output anything?
[04:40] <hondje> oh, not a clue then, sorry
[04:40] <nickrud> sherwin, do ls in the terminal
[04:40] <eob84> eclu, it comes up with my card name
[04:40] <sherwin> ok
[04:40] <eob84> eclu, and model
[04:41] <elcu> eob84: you could try this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:41] <sherwin> there is plugin folder
[04:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> hondje, I've done a little research... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimedia
[04:41] <eob84> eclu, k
[04:41] <ick> why is ubuntu so popular ?
[04:41] <Lafitte--> ick,  it works
[04:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> hondje, http://registration.hauppauge.com/support/linux/linux_support_start.htm
[04:41] <eob84> eclu, the only issue is that when I try to resize a window in gnome it is choppy
[04:41] <Kevin__> saber_ bash: -name*realplayer*-print: command not found
[04:41] <ick> is it because it dosent have firewall ?
[04:41] <nickrud> sherwin, sorry, cd plugins and do the ls again
[04:41] <sherwin> ok
[04:41] <eob84> eclu, and 3d graphics don't render as well as they should either
[04:42] <Lafitte--> ick,  you can put it in if you want too
[04:42] <elcu> eob84: have you checked if you have 3d enabled?
[04:42] <ick> my toilet flusher works just great too but no one is using it but me
[04:42] <Lafitte--> ick,  caled firestarter
[04:42] <elcu> duken: not sure.  try rebooting.
[04:42] <sherwin> ive found these libflash-mozplugin.so  libtotem_mozilla.so
[04:42] <sherwin> libjavaplugin.so       libtotem_mozilla.xpt
[04:42] <Lafitte--> oh brother
[04:42] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: I bet it works, but that kind of stuff isn't really in the area of things I know...
[04:42] <eob84> eclu, drm and dri?
[04:42] <JDahl> ick, it's has all the great things of Debian, but is more usefriendly (and I will use you toilet flusher I you let me)
[04:42] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: I just know nvidia you can apt-get intall nvtv
[04:43] <nickrud> sherwin, ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[04:43] <ick> its privat
[04:43] <elcu> eob84: yes, 'glxinfo' should show "direct rendering: yes"
[04:43] <ick> unlike ubuntu so it seems
[04:43] <elcu> eob84: it's right at the top
[04:43] <dcraven> ick: You don't like it?
[04:43] <ick> i dont like what ?
[04:43] <duken> elcu, i was reboot, but still
[04:43] <g14> Kevin__: Try realplay
[04:43] <sherwin> ok
[04:43] <angel12> can yall see this?
[04:44] <dcraven> ick: Ubuntu.
[04:44] <g14> angel12: Yes
[04:44] <ick> i never tryed it
[04:44] <ick> im not gona run around the internet naked
[04:44] <g14> ubuntu has a firewall
[04:44] <dcraven> ick: There are no listening ports in the default install.
[04:44] <cmatheson> hey, did mplayer get removed from hoary (i'm unable to install it)
[04:44] <eob84> I have load "glx"
[04:45] <sherwin> nickrud: whats next
[04:45] <JDahl> ick, I also think many people switched from Debian to Ubuntu because they were fed up with Debian never releasing combined with its somewhat lacking hardware detection
[04:45] <eob84> eclu, in the xorg.conf
[04:45] <nickrud> sherwin did you see any plugins?
[04:45] <hondje> That's why I put ubuntu on this desktop, I like debian but hate waiting for 200 years for a update to something :(
[04:45] <sherwin> nickru: these 2 libflash-mozplugin.so  libjavaplugin.so
[04:45] <eob84> eclu, there are fglrx drivers released by ATI
[04:46] <eob84> eclu, my card isn't listed as supported, so I am not sure if I should try them
[04:46] <nickrud> sherwin, what repository did you get the jre package from?
[04:46] <sherwin> nickrud: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java
[04:47] <Madpilot> ick: I ran XP with a software firewall, and Ubuntu w/o (yet) thru a router, and got *exactly* the same results at one of those online port-scanning sites...
[04:47] <nickrud> sherwin, I don't know that one.
[04:47] <elcu> duken: short of re-installing gnome-utils in synaptic, which might be *risky*.  i'm not sure. sorry.
[04:47] <sherwin> its listed in ubuntu at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:47] <elcu> eob84: no, probably not a good idea if they're not supported
[04:47] <nickrud> sherwin, me, I'd uninstall that java, and either get the package from blackdown, or do that link I posted. It's step by step, detailed.
[04:48] <frank> what is this blackdown java? is just sun java repackaged?
[04:48] <elcu> eob84: what was your card again?
[04:48] <eob84> eclu, everything is configured ok... I just need suport for my graphics card
[04:48] <hondje> Why would someone want an IDE hdd's write caching turned off?
[04:48] <nickrud> frank, I don't know, I used to use it until I discovered java-package
[04:48] <sherwin> nickrud ok ill try the method 2 using blackdown
[04:49] <nickrud> sherwin, that should work better.
[04:49] <eob84> eclu, Radeon Mobility M6 Ly
[04:49] <elcu> eob84: so basically, everything works, it just runs slow.
[04:49] <cmatheson> any info on getting mplayer on ubuntu (other than compiling it myself?)
[04:49] <sherwin> nickrud, thanks ill be seeing you when i see you hehe
[04:49] <eob84> eclu, mhmm
[04:49] <NicP> cmatheson: the only way i know of is written about on the forums
[04:50] <frank> cmatheson, mplayer is in universe
[04:50] <eob84> eclu, I think my chip is equiv to the MOBILITY 9000
[04:50] <Glitch407x> Anybody here to answer quick question?
[04:50] <elcu> cmatheson: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[04:50] <benplaut> w00t! figured out a quick-fix to the "Kernel Panic- not syncing" problem!!!  :)
[04:50] <ukato> windows don't flash notifications in GNOME, right
[04:51] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know how to mount floppies? Apparently Project Utopia doesn't handle them
[04:51] <elcu> eob84: so basically, everything works, it just runs slow.
[04:51] <hondje> Quest-Master: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/point
[04:51] <NicP> ukato: i think thats a metacity thing not a gnome thing
[04:51] <Quest-Master> hondje: thanks
[04:52] <hondje> you might need mount -t filesystem /dev/fd0 /mnt/point
[04:52] <hondje> Quest-Master: You're welcome
[04:52] <eob84> eclu, yea... everything is working ok I guess
[04:52] <cmatheson> frank: i've edited my sources.list... i can get everything else from universe (dev stuff, scim, etc), but it's not bringing up mplayer for me
[04:52] <hodgman> calling me a weakling huh..we'll see about that
[04:53] <hodgman> oops wrong window
[04:53] <ukato> NicP, sorry, what's metacity? i'm waaaaay new to everything
[04:53] <hodgman> ;)
[04:53] <hondje> cmatheson: I think I got mplayer from multiverse
[04:53] <cmatheson> hodgman, multiverse?
[04:53] <NicP> metacity is the default window manager for gnome
[04:53] <cmatheson> elcu: doesn't work anymore...
[04:53] <nickrud> cmatheson, it's in multiverse, you don't need to compile
[04:53] <hodgman> cmatheson: irssi with spit windows ;)
[04:53] <eob84> eclu, I was just wondering if anyone had tried drivers that had worked for them
[04:54] <frank> cmatheson, its actually in multiverse
[04:54] <elcu> eob84: personally, id try these instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto   you can always uninstall later.  just make sure you make a backup of xorg.conf
[04:54] <cmatheson> frank, nickrud: cool, do i just do the same crap as universe, except substitute universe for multiverse?
[04:55] <hondje> cmatheson: just add it after universe in sources.list
[04:55] <ukato> oh ok
[04:55] <ukato> so can i fix that?
[04:55] <hondje> then you kill 8901 birds with one stone
[04:55] <cmatheson> hondje, thanks
[04:55] <frank> cmatheson, yeah or you can just add multiverse after universe
[04:55] <NicP> ukato: fix what?
[04:55] <eob84> eclu, yea that is what I am trying
[04:55] <eob84> eclu, the drivers are downloading as we speak
[04:56] <Madpilot> hey all, still having trouble w/ lm-sensors - can't get it running
[04:56] <elcu> eob84: the fglrx driver *does* seem to support your card: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-41907-0.html (mobility 9000 is listed)
[04:56] <eob84> eclu, if it burns up the chip... it was a laptop...
[04:56] <hondje> Anyone know why you might want to turn off write cache on your IDE hdd?
[04:56] <Madpilot> I just ran sensors-detect and that worked, but my next step isn't clear
[04:56] <hondje> like hdparm -W0 /dev/hdb?
[04:56] <ukato> NicP, the window flashing
[04:56] <ukato> a la windows
[04:56] <Madpilot> I"m not getting output to xsensors yet, so I'm going to have to do something more, I think.
[04:57] <Kevin__> does anyone know how I can uninstall RealPlayer?
[04:57] <nickrud> hondje, because he's a masochist?
[04:57] <eob84> eclu, thanx for the advice
[04:57] <Quequeg> hondje, if you have no UPS and your machine loses power all of the time?
[04:57] <elcu> eob84: sure. good luck
[04:57] <daniels> ok, guys, I'd recommend not using fglrx unless you really need it
[04:57] <daniels> radeon should work out of the box for a m10 or whatever the mobility 9000 is (m9?)
[04:57] <hondje> ah, so I shall keep them on.  I wonder why the example settings in /etc/hdparm.conf had it off
[04:58] <elcu> daniels: he says he's getting choppy performance, which led me to believe he wants 3d support.
[04:59] <daniels> elcu: the m9+, I think it is, is supported for 3D with the stock radeon driver
[04:59] <nickrud> hondje, I've found that most debian configs are pretty conservative
[04:59] <daniels> since it falls in the r2xx non-igp series
[04:59] <elcu> daniels: ah.
[04:59] <frank> Madpilot, did sensors-detect tell you which modules to load?
[04:59] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> hi. who can i help?
[04:59] <hondje> nickrud: yeah, generally, but I'd imagine having a cache enabled would be more conservative
[04:59] <Glitch407x> me!
[04:59] <Glitch407x> help me lol
[04:59] <hondje> shows how much I know :)
[04:59] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> Glitch407x: what can i do for you. ;D
[04:59] <elcu> daniels: perhaps i should try and stop him then?
[04:59] <nickrud> Quequeg, had a good answer, though :)
[04:59] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> Glitch407x: i don't knwo much though.
[04:59] <elcu> eob84: hang on!
[05:00] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> just started ubuntu like a week ago. :D
[05:00] <Glitch407x> How do I just talk to you?
[05:00] <nickrud> hondje, that was for you too
[05:00] <alphabet[NTNWWNe> Glitch407x: /query alphabet[NTNWWNe
[05:00] <nickrud> tabs again
[05:00] <hondje> roger that, nickrud
[05:00] <daniels> elcu: probably a good plan, yes
[05:00] <hondje> oh, other question...why isn't /dev/shm mounted noexec?
[05:00] <hondje> that seems like a bad default to me :(
[05:01] <elcu> eob84: hang on!! don't go through with it yet!
[05:01] <Madpilot> frank: i2c-nforce2, but I thought they were loaded by sensors-detect?
[05:01] <starshine> ok, I guess I get to try to ask this again
[05:01] <elcu> :-/
[05:02] <frank> Madpilot, i don't think so
[05:02] <nickrud> starshine, the emoticon was not for you, if it lagged that way :)
[05:03] <frank> Madpilot, you have to add that module to /etc/modules   and also  sudo modprobe -i i2c-nforce2
[05:03] <starshine> nickrud: that's ok
[05:03] <frank> Madpilot, to load it this time
[05:03] <starshine> nickrud: but if anyone can answer my ubuntu livecd question I'd enjoy that
[05:04] <Kevin__> does anyone know how I can uninstall RealPlayer?
[05:04] <nickrud> starshine, you'll have to ask again
[05:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> how would i unzip something that ended in .tar.bz2.tar the extra tar is throwing me
[05:04] <Madpilot> frank: OK, thnx.
[05:04] <nickrud> BROKEN_LADDER, file <file> to see what it is
[05:04] <stuNNed> BROKEN_LADDER: tried tar jxvf file.tar.bz2.tar, and what nickrud said :)
[05:04] <starshine> I am interested in using liveCD in a nice high quality workstation, to serve up ubuntu also to a batch of lower end (about pentium 400 Mhz or so)
[05:05] <joe|code> has anyone removed Gnome from Ubuntu and opted to use Xfce4?
[05:05] <Hackmo> night all
[05:05] <daniels> starshine: right now, it cannot do a terminal server from the live CD
[05:05] <nickrud> starshine, stop right there, you'll need something better
[05:05] <daniels> starshine: partially because no-one's ever asked for it before, partially because it's difficult to fit all that in to the single CD along with everything else
[05:06] <starshine> hmm, ok, how about, if I install it to the nice box, what are the obvious packages to grab to serve it up so ?
[05:06] <Jormundgand> Just a test message; I'm setting colours on Xchat.
[05:06] <Madpilot> frank: found "i2c-nforce2.ko" - I think this is the right file?
[05:07] <starshine> Jormundgand: here's a highlight test
[05:07] <Jormundgand> starshine: Thanks.
[05:07] <frank> Madpilot, you don't need the filename
[06:18] (spinifex/#ubuntu) why did you do that?
[06:18] (crimsun_/#ubuntu) shad0w1e, and amixer output -> pastebin
[06:18] (Madpilot/#ubuntu) shad0w1e: ouch. got backups?
[06:19] (shad0w1e/#ubuntu) heh no but there was nothing really important in there
[06:19] (IcemanV9/#ubuntu) kikdadog: 'umount -f' to force umount the cd
[06:19] (shad0w1e/#ubuntu) I had to reconfigure everything tho
[06:19] (kikdadog/#ubuntu) ill try
[06:19] <ick> he did that to trick ppl in this channel to do the same
[06:19] <shad0w1e> crumsun_ amixer ???
[06:19] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, yes
[06:19] <shad0w1e> bash: amixer: command not found
[06:20] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, ... what did you do to your alsa-utils?
[06:20] <shad0w1e> ohhh
[06:20] <biff_> i can't use synaptic to update anything , keep getting errors
[06:20] <shad0w1e> I removed alsa
[06:20] <disant> shad0w1e, another story for you... i've had a utility server at work one time... processing logs, bla bla... it had 6 windoze prod boxes mounted as smb shares...  one morning I get a call from our datastorage team... "sorry we had to cancell your backups .. it took too long to finish" ... of course youd ummy.. you pulling my entire /mnt directory
[06:20] <ick> shad0w1e: you should do mv /.
[06:20] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, um?
[06:20] <shad0w1e> crimsun_ I deleted alsa and put in a newer version
[06:20] <ali4728> Can anyone help me to utilize php Mail::factory to send email?
[06:20] <shad0w1e> BECUASE the old one didnt work
[06:20] <shad0w1e> didnt help
[06:20] <mpm> http://pastebin.ca/12578 can anyone decipher these synaptic errors?  I can't get IRC in my classroom, but emailed myself the errrorlog
[06:20] <nickrud> nalioth, out of curiosity, i did that pkill on my machine first, and checked ps for it, and gam_server was the highest numbered process.
[06:20] <crimsun_> shad0w1e, but why would you have touched alsa-utils?
[06:20] <kikdadog> tells me   sudo: unmount: command not found