[06:22] <Kilos> morning superfly magespawn and others
[06:23] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[06:28] <bomberman> morning Kilos!
[06:29] <Kilos> hi bomberman nice to see you here
[06:29] <bomberman> inetpro, superfly, Kilos website events updated with new dates
[06:29] <bomberman> Yeah Kilos, been a while :|
[06:30] <Kilos> bad man
[06:31] <Kilos> site link bomberman ?
[06:32] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[06:32] <psyatw> hi bomberman!
[06:33] <bomberman> Kilos: http://ubuntu-za.org/ look on the left
[06:33] <Kilos> ty
[06:36] <Kilos> is that the same one that opened slow last night
[06:36] <Kilos> was quick here now
[06:38] <Kilos> ty for updating all the meeting dates
[06:40] <psyatw> bomberman, are you related to megaman?
[06:51] <superfly> psyatw: no, he's the original bomerman
[06:51] <superfly> (is everyone here so young they don't get that reference??!!)
[06:51] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[06:52] <Kilos> im too old to get it
[06:52] <Vince-0> haai
[06:58] <psyatw> hi superfly
[06:58] <psyatw> hi Vince-0
[06:59] <Vince-0> surp
[07:02] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:05] <superfly> good evening
[07:07] <mazal> Evening ?
[07:07] <superfly> ask Kilos
[07:07] <mazal> hehe ok
[07:08] <mazal> Oom Kilos , wat gaan aan ?
[07:09] <mazal> Does anybody know how I could translate an entire Libre Office calc (.xls) sheet ?
[07:09] <superfly> translate? nope
[07:10] <mazal> Wouldn't be a valid question for Askubuntu he? Cos it's not Ubuntu related ?
[07:11] <tonberry352_> translate the language?
[07:11] <Kilos> hi mazal tonberry352_
[07:12] <Kilos> hehe
[07:12] <tonberry352_> hi
[07:13] <Kilos> mazal, libreoffice is ubuntu related
[07:13] <mazal> Ok , gonna try and hope to not get scolded
[07:13] <Kilos> best place to ask funny questions like that is google
[07:13] <mazal> Google don't know
[07:13] <Kilos> then last resort ask here
[07:13] <mazal> Not yet anyway , checked through first few pages of results
[07:13] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:14] <bomberman> hi psyatw, not related to megaman. sorry.
[07:14] <Kilos> what do you want to convert it to?
[07:14] <mazal> tonberry352_, yes , translate from Afr to Eng
[07:15] <bomberman> how many rows to translate mazal?
[07:15] <tonberry352_> If it is just text, convert to csv and find something that can translate plain text files.
[07:15] <mazal> lemme check
[07:15] <Kilos> no translaters do a good job
[07:15] <tonberry352_> No idea how to do it if it has formulas.
[07:15] <tonberry352_> pay someone...
[07:16] <mazal> 1121 rows , 2 columns
[07:16] <mazal> Just txt
[07:16] <Kilos> is it a secret document
[07:17] <mazal> No it's a scriptures sheet
[07:17] <bomberman> did you try Google translate? it doesnt seems long. I would create an English column then copy 50-100 rows at a time into Google Translate
[07:17] <mazal> It's what I build up over the past 2 years , now one of my friends needs this truths desperately , but she is english
[07:18] <Kilos> you speak good english
[07:18] <mazal> But I want her to have the whole document. There is too much food in there to go through quickly. Will take her time
[07:19] <mazal> bomberman, google translate just went bonkers on me. Froze up completely
[07:19] <bomberman> mazal try to paste 20 rown into Google Translate.
[07:20] <mazal> I think I should try that
[07:20] <bomberman> you could put it in a html document and upload it to the internet. She can look at it with Chrome which will offer do translate the whole doc automatically.
[07:20] <mazal> hmm
[07:20] <mazal> Whatever I find that works must be easy repeatable. It updates almost daily
[07:21] <mazal> But where would I put the html doc ?
[07:22] <bomberman> you could put it in dropbox and share the link.
[07:23] <Kilos> and you have a ubuntuone account
[07:23] <bomberman> are these scriptures from the Bible? You could give her the book and the verse references.
[07:25] <bomberman> Software Freedom Day start guide -> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/StartGuide
[07:26] <mazal> bomberman, yes
[07:27] <mazal> Over 1100 sections with multiple scriptures for each
[07:27] <Kilos> whew
[07:27] <mazal> So I want her to have the doc in English. Is too many too give one by one
[07:28] <bomberman> mazal I dont think a translation engine would be the best to translate biblical verses. It is geared more towards general every day language.
[07:29] <mazal> Oom Kilos > http://www.mediafire.com/download/97e7rmbu7uh0k8y/Spreek_Heer_ek_luister.zip
[07:29] <mazal> It conatins the references bomberman , not the verses themselves
[07:30] <Kilos> mazal, also a couple at a time would be better to do so you can explain each one
[07:30] <mazal> Kilos I want het to have it with her , so when she has question re a specific thing then she can easily go check it up
[07:30] <mazal> I am not always around to help
[07:30] <Kilos> ah
[07:32] <mazal> And I made a quick check on google translate for the only 20 rows at a time plan. But it can't translate Bible book names correctly :-(
[07:33] <Kilos>  End-of-central-directory signature not found
[07:33] <mazal> Huh ?
[07:33] <Kilos> it wont unzip here
[07:33] <mazal> Can I dcc it to you ?
[07:34] <Kilos> ya
[07:34] <bomberman> yes, that's what I was afraid of mazal.
[07:35] <mazal> bomberman, is a tricky one this. I might have to find someone strong enough in English who would be willing to do it manually
[07:37] <Kilos> whew
[07:37] <bomberman> I can see. I got the file. Its a reference list.  It was zipped in Ubuntu
[07:40] <Kilos> aw wassup my ubuntu
[07:41] <bomberman> zip is zip. lol. Maybe your download didnt work Kilos and you ended up with a corrupted file.
[07:41] <Kilos> it says it can be opened with winzip for windows and mac
[07:42] <Kilos> yeah maybe
[07:42] <Kilos> ill try again
[07:43] <Kilos> eish now it wants me to authorise and type in that funny thing i cant even read
[07:43] <Kilos> grrr
[07:46] <Kilos> dcc worked so i leave that mediafire thing
[07:46] <bomberman> mazal. Create a new column in the sheet and call it English, then only copy 50 rows from the first column into Google Translate. Then copy the result in the new English column. It looks pretty well the translation. Dont include the book names in the Google Translate
[07:47] <mazal> Kilos you broke my mediafire ? lol
[07:47] <Kilos> oops sorry
[07:47] <mazal> Booknames part will have to be manual I think bomberman
[07:47] <Kilos> i told it skip the captcha goed
[07:48] <Kilos> then it hung
[07:48] <mazal> It thinks your a bot
[07:49] <Kilos> use ubuntuone or dropbox or even mailbigfile for stuff
[07:49] <Kilos> but not now
[07:49] <Kilos> mailbigfilewprks well
[07:49] <Kilos> works well
[07:49] <mazal> I never have problems with mediafire
[07:49] <mazal> You are the first one
[07:50] <Kilos> im always the first with any prob
[07:51] <mazal> filegooi.co.za is another option if you don't want to share many files
[07:51] <Kilos> my pc dont like win stuff unless it is with remmina so i got control
[07:52] <bomberman> mazal for the book names you can do find-> replace, eg find Markus -> replace with Mark. Of course in the right column only :)
[07:52] <mazal> Brilliant idea bomberman , didn't even think of that :-)
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:53] <mazal> Work calls , have to run for now
[07:53] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy you missed last nights meet
[07:53] <mazal> l8tr guys
[07:53] <Kilos> hi trender
[07:53] <bomberman> bye mazal
[07:53] <trender> yo
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you should know by now i'm not around in the evenings ;-p
[07:55] <Kilos> ya but that dont mean i cant nag till you attend meets 1 hour a month
[07:56] <bomberman> ThatGraemeGuy: meeting moved to 4th Mondays @ 8pm
[07:56] <Kilos> you been online before in the evening so one can hope
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's when something breaks at work
[07:57] <Kilos> haha
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> which is hardly ever :-p
[07:57] <bomberman> You must make things so they break at 9am only :)
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i prefer them not to break at all, so things are built to tolerate failure
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> its rare when i need to poke things after hours
[08:00] <bomberman> On Error Resume Next -> silent fail ;)
[08:18] <Kilos> hi not_found
[09:08] <charl> good morning
[09:08] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:08] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:08]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:08] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:08] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:08] <Maaz> Kilos: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[09:08] <Kilos> ai!
[09:08] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[09:09] <charl> how's it going Kilos
[09:09] <Kilos> not bad ty and you charl ?
[09:10] <charl> good good
[09:10] <charl> hot at the moment
[09:10] <Kilos> you missed last nights meeting
[09:10] <charl> ah sorry, you're right
[09:10] <Kilos> hot is lekker it be cold here
[09:10] <charl> i got busy yesterday evening
[09:11] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[09:12] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[09:12] <charl> Maaz: thanks !
[09:12] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[09:13] <Xethron> heya Kilos and Maaz :)
[09:14] <charl> hi Xethron
[09:14] <Xethron> heya charl
[09:14] <Xethron> Maaz: Coffee for me to please?
[09:14] <Maaz> Xethron: *blink*
[09:15] <charl> Xethron: you first have to say "coffee on"
[09:15] <Xethron> !coffee
[09:15] <Xethron> ah
[09:15] <Xethron> coffee on
[09:15] <charl> with maaz in front of it
[09:15] <Xethron> oh
[09:15] <Xethron> lol
[09:15] <Xethron> Maaz: coffee on
[09:15]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:15] <charl> :)
[09:15] <superfly> Xethron: Maaz only responds when you talk to him
[09:16] <Xethron> heya superfly
[09:16] <charl> it's the law in this channel
[09:16] <Xethron> This channel is active today
[09:16] <charl> this channel is pretty active
[09:16] <Xethron> Maaz: I'm always talking to you! OK?
[09:16] <Maaz> Xethron: Sorry...
[09:16] <Xethron> Maaz: You better be!
[09:16] <Maaz> Xethron: What?
[09:16] <Xethron> Maaz: Sorry
[09:16] <Maaz> Don't be sorry Xethron Be careful.
[09:16] <charl> Maaz is not too bright :)
[09:16] <Xethron> Maaz: No you be sorry!
[09:16] <Maaz> Xethron: Sorry...
[09:16] <Xethron> lol
[09:19] <charl> i see mint 15 xfce has been released, trying it now
[09:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Xethron!
[09:20] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[09:20] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[09:20] <Xethron> Yeah, I want to update to 15
[09:20] <Xethron> thanks Maaz :)
[09:21] <Kilos> charl, have you tried the google OS
[09:25] <charl> Kilos: chrome os? not yet
[09:25] <charl> from what i understand it's basically just a browser
[09:25] <Kilos> im just looking for a way to use some night surfer data without wasting it
[09:25] <charl> i need at minimum a terminal because half of what i do (if not more) is at the terminal
[09:26] <Kilos> aw is it so raw
[09:29] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[09:54] <mazal> Kilos that makes me think , can't you schedule your updates for after 12:00 ?
[09:54] <mazal> I'm sure a little script and entry in crontab should do the trick
[09:57] <Kilos> ya but im uptodate here mazal
[09:57] <Kilos> can also use the at command if i wanna go to bed
[10:00] <Kilos> was just thinking to maybe use the night data on another OS to play with
[10:00] <Kilos> but chrome os dont look to useful to me
[10:02] <Kilos> i wish theyd stop this data expiring after next calender month
[10:02] <Kilos> its just thievery
[10:02] <Kilos> swines
[11:06] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[11:06] <Kilos> oh
[11:32] <charl> hi magespawn
[11:34] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[11:34] <magespawn> power failure
[11:35] <Kilos> you show away lad
[11:35] <Kilos> eish
[11:39] <mazal> You guys seen this: http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/2013/07/hello-from-ubuntu-za-to-ubuntu-fr.html
[11:40] <mazal> And for magespawn , you seen this: http://www.jorgecastro.org/2013/07/09/quick-and-easy-vpn-with-ubuntu/
[11:40] <magespawn> ty mazal
[11:43] <Kilos> why does he thank us?
[11:43] <Kilos> did i miss something
[11:43] <charl> mazal: that post about the ubuntu hour in paris is extremely vague
[11:43] <magespawn> i was away earlier
[11:43] <mazal> Indeed charl
[11:43] <magespawn> for the link Kilos
[11:44] <Kilos> ya that yooke
[11:44] <charl> who was there, what was discussed, what came out of it
[11:44] <charl> says nothing
[11:44] <charl> and there are very few french speakers in southern africa
[11:44] <charl> that's mostly west africa
[11:44] <Kilos> they had one thats whats important
[11:45] <charl> not so sure Kilos
[11:45] <Kilos> maybe the lad is a noob
[11:45] <charl> it looks like a "for the lols" thing which isn't necessarily bad but the post is just vague
[11:46] <charl> if it's just about meeting people from other locos that's fine, then just say it
[11:46] <Kilos> he might be a begiiner in linux and to blogging
[11:46] <charl> possibly
[11:46] <Kilos> beginner
[11:46] <Kilos> read what his other posts say
[11:46] <Kilos> lotsa pics waste data
[11:47] <charl> there is very little said about anything
[11:47] <charl> just photos indeed
[11:47] <Kilos> lol
[11:48] <Kilos> give him tips
[11:48] <magespawn> i see the post is by maiatoday but maybe the orginal was in french or written by a franch person
[11:49] <Kilos> where you see maia
[11:49] <charl> oh at the bottom
[11:49] <charl> "posted by"
[11:49] <Kilos> oh ya
[11:57] <Kilos> actually talking about maia , she has been scarce for a long time now
[12:21] <charl> yes i have seen her a long time ago
[12:29] <Kilos> maybe tumbleweed knows
[12:29] <Kilos> i think they at the same place
[12:44] <mazal> Have a nice evening all
[12:44] <mazal> Bye
[13:07] <Kilos> hmm... when im reading i miss the new peeps
[13:08] <Kilos> poor pc has a big name
[14:04] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadcasting/81857-tv-license-fee-increase.html
[14:05] <Kilos> on that page on the right they advertise free satelite internet for mobiles methinks
[14:17] <Kilos> http://www.yahclick.co.za\
[14:17] <Kilos> hehe free installation
[14:57] <magespawn> only on the business packages Kilos
[14:57] <magespawn> later all home time
[14:57] <Kilos> later magespawn
[15:36] <inetpro> Kilos: talking about maia...
[15:36] <inetpro> see: Hello from ubuntu-za to ubuntu-fr  http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/2013/07/hello-from-ubuntu-za-to-ubuntu-fr.html
[15:37] <Kilos> ok
[15:37] <inetpro> as found in "Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 325"
[15:38] <Kilos> i already saw thatman
[15:38] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[15:38] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[15:38] <inetpro> Kilos: ok
[15:39] <Kilos> hehe ek sukkel darem party keer
[15:52] <Cantide> hello everyone '-'/
[15:52] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[16:31] <charl> hi Cantide
[16:31] <Cantide> ubuntu-on-air soon
[16:32] <Cantide> if anyone is interested
[16:32] <Cantide> join #ubuntu-on-air and open ubuntuonair.com
[16:32] <charl> what are they talking about
[16:32] <Cantide> but it will only start in 30 minutes
[16:32] <Cantide> i think it's a general update - mir / unity / juju / whatever
[16:32] <Cantide> a speaker from each team
[16:32] <charl> ok
[16:32] <Cantide> and you can ask questions in the irc channel
[16:32] <Cantide> i think jono is the MC
[16:32] <Cantide> hi Kilos, charl :p
[16:34] <Cantide> it's interesting to watch, if you have the bandwidth to do so
[16:34] <Cantide> and it makes you feel a lot closer to Ubuntu :p
[16:34] <Cantide> brb
[16:38] <Kilos> yo JoTraGo
[16:52] <Kilos> yay got a mail from maia
[16:53] <Kilos> I am in Europe at the moment. So data isn't so easy. I saw the Ubuntu France guys for an Ubuntu Hour. I'll pop into irc again when I am back.
[16:55] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[16:56] <inetpro> Kilos: ja and?
[16:57] <Kilos> well we were wondering where she was man
[16:57] <Kilos> you peeps that just go away without telling us
[16:57] <inetpro> Kilos: she wrote that in the article I linked above
[16:58] <inetpro> I mean the fact that she's in Europe at least
[16:58] <inetpro> "Thanks YoBoy for organising an impromptu ubuntu hour in Paris."
[17:06] <Kilos> ya man but that didnt click in head that she was also there
[17:06] <Kilos> you know i listen but dont hear or read but dont understand half of it
[17:06] <inetpro> :-)
[17:06] <inetpro> hehe ek sukkel darem party keer
[17:07] <Kilos> lol
[17:17] <Kilos> hi timminscomputer
[17:17] <timminscomputer> hi Kilos
[17:17] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:17] <timminscomputer> is there a meeting tonight?
[17:17] <Kilos> last night
[17:18] <timminscomputer> thanks for the welcome
[17:18] <timminscomputer> oops
[17:18] <Kilos> hehe another one next month
[17:18] <Kilos> but you can hang here everyday and see what goes
[17:19] <timminscomputer> im connecting via smartphone, bit up and down screenish
[17:19] <Kilos> np
[17:19] <timminscomputer> ok, id like that
[17:21] <timminscomputer> ill just be off screen for a while. back soon.
[17:21] <Kilos> ok
[17:26] <Kilos> wb who_da_fly
[17:36] <Kilos> uh oh
[17:39] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[17:50] <timminscomputer> is there an course or exam to get you to know most of the ubuntu basics, so that supporting ubuntj is eazier?
[17:51] <Kilos> this is the ubuntu south africa help channel so once you install you come here if you get stuck
[17:52] <Kilos> also there is a book somewhere on the basics
[17:52] <Kilos> here is a guide
[17:52] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2012/06/21/unity-orientation-guide-ubuntu-1204-lts
[17:53] <timminscomputer> ok, great. i visited with a red had certjfied man this weekend, and he was great in sharing his knowledge too
[17:53] <timminscomputer> pity hes on his way to cape town
[17:53] <Kilos> where are you?
[17:54] <timminscomputer> he set up pfsence for a friend, great firewall
[17:54] <timminscomputer> im in Bloemfontein
[17:54] <Kilos> ubuntu comes with built in firewall
[17:55] <Kilos> but any probs you have you can ask here
[17:56] <timminscomputer> id rather use ubuntu. id like to set up a transparent proxy, then monitor real time web users
[17:56] <Kilos> not only ubuntu users here
[17:56] <Kilos> you were here earlier today, was that from pc?
[17:57] <timminscomputer> yes
[17:57] <Kilos> i was away from pc so missed you sorry
[17:57] <timminscomputer> i am just glad to get to chat.
[17:58] <Kilos> hehe
[17:58] <Kilos> what do you do?
[17:59] <timminscomputer> i own my own computer support and sales company, Timmins Computer Services
[17:59] <Kilos> cool and you havent come to ubuntu yet
[17:59] <Kilos> shame on you
[18:00] <timminscomputer> i belong to the Bloemfontein Linux Users Group
[18:00] <timminscomputer> sorry
[18:00] <Kilos> every now and again there is someone looking for where to buy pcs with ubuntu as the default os
[18:00] <Kilos> what are they called blug?
[18:00] <Kilos> hehe
[18:00] <timminscomputer> yes, id do that for them
[18:01] <Kilos> peeps dont like paying for a windows pc then wiping windows as the first move
[18:01] <timminscomputer> if you go to SpiceWare.co.za, i think there is a link from there
[18:02] <timminscomputer> i sell bla k boxes too
[18:02] <timminscomputer> just stay away from brands like hp, acer, etc
[18:02] <Kilos> was that blank or black
[18:03] <timminscomputer> pun.
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <timminscomputer> black boxes
[18:04] <Kilos> well when you get to the shop tomorrow come here and ill give you the link for the ubuntu iso download
[18:04] <timminscomputer> i purchased a ubuntu book for my kobo ereader, ubuntu unleashed
[18:04] <timminscomputer> i must just read it now
[18:05] <Kilos> once youve tried ubuntu you wont want to use windows much anymore
[18:05] <Kilos> virus free
[18:05] <timminscomputer> do you run ubuntu server and desktop versions?
[18:06] <timminscomputer> or just server
[18:06] <Kilos> have run server but now playing around, but always have a buntu desktop running
[18:07] <Kilos> ubuntu desktop works well
[18:07] <timminscomputer> suppose this chat is not possible on server edition?
[18:07] <Kilos> im not sure if there is a text based client that works on a server
[18:07] <Kilos> inetpro, help
[18:08] <timminscomputer> pause: i must just veg my children go bed.. be back later
[18:08] <Kilos> k
[18:08] <timminscomputer> tbanks
[18:09] <Kilos> yw
[18:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> aloha
[18:32] <theblazehen> hi
[18:33] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy theblazehen
[18:33] <Kilos> something broken at work ThatGraemeGuy
[18:33] <Kilos> ?
[18:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> not exactly
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <Kilos> welcome anyway
[18:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> have some glusterfs upgrades to do and some other work on an O/S i dare not mention here :P
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> call it sucks
[18:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> nah
[18:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll leave that to those who don't understand how to admin it :P
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> i think everyone here has to use it some or other time
[18:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i work on whatever needs working on
[18:37] <Kilos> you can maybe guide timminscomputer better than me
[18:38] <Kilos> oh you dont see logs?
[18:45] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[18:46] <Squirm> lo Kilos
[18:47] <Squirm> It seems my Dedi has disappeared
[18:47] <Kilos> your what?
[18:47] <Squirm> Dedicated Server
[18:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: guide what now? :-/
[18:49] <Kilos> we have a guy with a pc shop wanting to know about ubuntu
[18:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh... ok
[18:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> know what exactly? :)
[18:49] <Kilos> one of the bloemlug guys
[18:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> they can't have ubuntu, they don't even have electricity yet
[18:50] <Kilos> oh can you get here from a ubuntu server
[18:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> ;-p
[18:50] <Kilos> rofl
[18:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> "here" meaning on irc?
[18:50] <Kilos> ya
[18:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes of course
[18:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> install irssi
[18:51] <Kilos> aw no one told me how
[18:51] <Kilos> i couldnt even work that from here
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo apt-get install irssi
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.irssi.org/documentation
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty straightforward
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> use /connect irc.example.com
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> and /join #channel
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> etc
[18:52] <Kilos> i dont think he realises how cool ubuntu actually is
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> its how we did it in the 90s :)
[18:52] <Kilos> wow
[18:53] <Kilos> i didnt even have a pc that far back
[18:53] <Kilos> you old hey
[18:53] <Kilos> ;-P
[18:53] <Kilos> oh wrong p
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> is 36 old? :-O
[18:55] <Kilos> hehe
[18:55] <Kilos> same age as my son
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> ha and you call ME old? :-p
[18:56] <Kilos> oops
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok let me get this upgrade done quickly
[18:56] <Kilos> ok ty
[18:57] <timminscomputer> thanks for the help
[18:57] <Kilos> wb timminscomputer
[18:57] <timminscomputer> thanks
[18:58] <timminscomputer> ill try the info given. ill maybe dual ubuntu my laptop, half server, half desktop
[18:59] <Kilos> wehy half server?
[18:59] <timminscomputer> 128 GB should be enough
[18:59] <Kilos> yeah
[18:59] <Kilos> i have a fully working desktop on a 6g drive
[19:00] <timminscomputer> because ill boot into ubuntu server, or ill boot into ubuntu desktop
[19:01] <timminscomputer> i need to try getting away from gui, sometimes
[19:01] <Kilos> hehe
[19:01] <timminscomputer> anyway, i greet you all
[19:01] <Squirm> timminscomputer: VM works as well
[19:01] <Kilos> cool shout if you need help
[19:02] <timminscomputer> my wife is back from some training shes attending
[19:02] <Squirm> and I am using Linux Mint MATE, fully graphical. But I try and do what I need to on the cli
[19:02] <timminscomputer> linux mint mate, ill try it
[19:03] <timminscomputer> i appreciate the input
[19:03] <Kilos> yw
[19:03] <timminscomputer> shalo
[19:03] <timminscomputer> shalom
[19:06]  * Squirm shrugs
[19:06] <Squirm> that was an easy convert
[19:07] <Kilos> yeah
[19:07] <Squirm> was about to explain what mint was :P
[19:09] <Kilos> hehe
[19:10] <Kilos> he asked if there is a course and exam to learn ubuntu
[19:10] <Kilos> shame
[19:10] <Squirm> there is
[19:10] <Kilos> hey?
[19:10] <Kilos> all you need to know is how to download the iso and install
[19:13] <Squirm> least it was
[19:13] <Squirm> you could do it with the LPI exams
[19:13] <Kilos> to learn ubuntu?
[19:13] <Squirm> maybe they've stopped it
[19:14] <Squirm> maybe not learn Ubuntu basics, probably the server side of things
[19:14] <Kilos> theres lotsa stuff online
[19:14] <Squirm> but you actually got a cert
[19:14] <Kilos> and the ubuntu-za help channel of course
[19:15] <Kilos> he has a pc shop
[19:16] <Squirm> ok
[19:17] <Kilos> night guys . sleep tight


[22:21] <Father_of_Lies> Could I please request a cloak - https://launchpad.net/~father-of-lies
[22:27] <krytarik> !membership | Father_of_Lies: This is precondition for the first one
[22:27] <krytarik> !cloak
[22:30] <Father_of_Lies> I have a registered nick setup with mail
[22:30] <Father_of_Lies> And linked my account as said in the manual :)


[08:14] <mdke> kirkland: I haven't rebuilt the website without the no javascript change, because I wanted to test that first... I will do so when I next get time, but I'm frantic with work at the moment so don't have that much time for Ubuntu
[08:15] <mdke> kirkland: s/without/with
[13:23] <kirkland> mdke: okay, no worries, thanks
[17:34] <highwaychile> Hi! I'm writing a script that generates a lot of docbook articles out of the German ubuntu wiki (http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de)
[17:34] <highwaychile> now I'm searching for a way to make this "docbook wiki" searchable by docbook viewers like yelp
[17:35] <highwaychile> as the ubuntu documentation is
[17:35] <highwaychile> but I can't find any information on this (the only thing I find is syntax references of docbook)
[17:35] <highwaychile> may you can help me / give me a link?


[00:55] <vorlon> xnox: I have no specific reason to want that branch owned by ~ubuntu-release when livecd-rootfs is owned by ~ubuntu-core-dev.  sil2100 set it up, so you might want to ask him when he's back.  But core-dev is no better than ubuntu-release as a default reviewer, neither generates email notifications
[00:55] <vorlon> xnox: ubuntu-cdimage would be better than ubuntu-release, I think
[01:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cups-filters [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[01:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [2.29.0-0ubuntu2]
[01:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted initramfs-tools [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.142ubuntu14]
[02:12] <mclemenceau> xnox Ack.
[02:14] <mclemenceau> a bit of a blind spot in a busy time, but I'll look into this
[06:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cups-browsed [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[06:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gst-plugins-good1.0 [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.22.6-1ubuntu1]
[06:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.45]
[06:33] <tjaalton> vorlon: okay, see how that goes
[06:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cogl [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.22.8-4ubuntu1]
[06:36] <tumbleweed> ~/36
[06:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinder [source] (mantic-proposed) [2:23.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1]
[06:40] <tjaalton> vorlon: I can't remember the regression though, at least it wasn't fixed by a later kinetic upload
[06:40] <tjaalton> +mesa
[06:41] <vorlon> rs2009: hi, it's ubuntu-unity's turn to get its image size limit in order.  We set an initial limit of 3.1GB last September, but that wasn't actually enough for lunar, which was > 3.2GB when it went out, and isn't enough for mantic which is now > 3.4GB.  Are you expecting to do any size reduction here for mantic, or should we bump the limit to 3.5GB?
[06:43] <vorlon> tjaalton: the regression was that mesa had a post-FF upload in kinetic that itself built ok, but once mesa was rebuilt with a newer LLVM, it in turn caused mutter to fail to build against it on armhf; was worked around by disabling a test on armhf in mutter https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/43.0-1ubuntu3
[06:44] <tjaalton> vorlon: ack, thanks. the current mesa doesn't bump llvm though, at least not yet
[06:45] <tjaalton> since it'd need a newer bindgen, which I did sync but feel free to reject if that's going too far
[06:45] <vorlon> tjaalton: if I remember at the time, it wasn't a bump of the llvm build-dep, but an actual regression in the llvm that was used
[06:45] <vorlon> tjaalton: I think a bindgen sync is fine, but as noted this is a transition so its revdeps will also need updated so I want a transition plan before I accept that
[06:47] <tjaalton> looks like 22.2.0-1ubuntu1 was the ffe upload and it did move to llvm 15
[06:47] <vorlon> tjaalton: and especially since xnox found mutter build regressions due to test failures in his ppa test against a new mesa, I do want an autopkgtest in mutter that gates this new mesa from landing in the release pocket with a regressed mutter
[06:48] <vorlon> he mentions it was built with a different llvm, so MAYBE mutter won't fail to build with this one.  But it should be an automated gate, not a maybe when we upload
[06:48] <tjaalton> you mean this version? okay he didn't mention that to me :)
[06:49] <vorlon> tjaalton: it's in scrollback on this channel, in response to me raising this :)
[06:49] <tjaalton> hah, okay
[06:50] <tjaalton> oh, I missed the bindgen msgs
[06:50]  * tjaalton scrolls back all the way
[06:52] <vorlon> anyway, it's midnight here, so I'll leave it to ginggs to follow up on this today
[06:55] <vorlon> rs2009: I had a look at the ubuntu-unity manifests for lunar vs mantic, and it looks like a lot of the delta is localization packages for ~8 languages.  this isn't a difference in the ubuntu-unity seed, these packages had Task: ubuntu-unity-live in lunar but were missing from the image, due to conflicts that were silently ignored by lunar livecd-rootfs
[06:55] <vorlon> rs2009: and that got sorted out for mantic when livecd-rootfs became stricter
[07:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: alacarte (mantic-proposed/universe) [3.44.3-1 => 3.50.0-1] (desktop-extra) (sync)
[07:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-panel (mantic-proposed/universe) [1:3.49.1-1ubuntu1 => 1:3.50.0-1ubuntu1] (desktop-extra, ubuntu-budgie)
[07:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (mantic-proposed/main) [1.194 => 1.195] (core) (sync)
[07:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (mantic-proposed/main) [2.12~rc1-4ubuntu1 => 2.12~rc1-10ubuntu2] (core) (sync)
[07:19] <juliank> matching -unsigned and -signed packages for yesterday's accepted grub2
[07:26] <tjaalton> xnox: could you rebuilt mutter against mesa rc4 which is now on x-staging
[07:26] <tjaalton> just to see if the issue is already fixed
[07:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libwebp (mantic-proposed/main) [1.2.4-0.3 => 1.3.2-0.3] (core, i386-whitelist) (sync)
[07:35] <tjaalton> oh well, looks like it's similar to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/2509
[07:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Issue 2509 in GNOME/mutter "Intermittent test failure: stacking/restore-size.metatest: 27: Expected size 300x200 didn't match actual size 500x400" [Opened]
[07:35] <tjaalton> since it's failing like: 36: Expected size 800x600 didn't match actual size 500x400
[07:36] <tjaalton> mutter carries a patch to disable similar checks in another test
[07:37] <LocutusOfBorg> for libwebp, we did a huge work on Debain to cleanup the packaging, move to cmake, fix the ubuntu bugs and debian bugs
[07:37] <LocutusOfBorg> it would be nice to see it landing
[07:51] <tjaalton> xnox, vorlon: latest mutter upload to debian failed on the same test on arm64 but not armhf, so I believe this falls into the same flakyness as the other test that was modified earlier
[08:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libxs-parse-sublike-perl (mantic-proposed/main) [0.20-1 => 0.20-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libxs-parse-sublike-perl [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.20-1ubuntu1]
[08:15] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, fyi libzstd drops the lto fix from Ubuntu, because the lto bug was probably in some lto helper inside gcc, and the new gcc fixed it I tested in ppa, and with gcc 13 it builds fine
[08:15] <LocutusOfBorg> but I agree that this is not critical, we can sync for nanimal
[08:15] <LocutusOfBorg> (btw I checked in my ppa the buildability for all archs)
[08:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-13-cross (mantic-proposed/main) [10ubuntu1 => 10ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[08:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-13-cross [source] (mantic-proposed) [10ubuntu2]
[08:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-13-cross-ports (mantic-proposed/universe) [13ubuntu1 => 13ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-13-cross-ports [source] (mantic-proposed) [13ubuntu2]
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-12-cross (mantic-proposed/universe) [18ubuntu1 => 18ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[08:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-12-cross [source] (mantic-proposed) [18ubuntu2]
[08:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ethtool (mantic-proposed/main) [1:6.4-1 => 1:6.5-1] (core) (sync)
[08:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-12-cross-ports (mantic-proposed/universe) [16ubuntu1 => 16ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[08:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-12-cross-ports [source] (mantic-proposed) [16ubuntu2]
[08:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ethtool [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1:6.5-1]
[08:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected alacarte [sync] (mantic-proposed) [3.50.0-1]
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-mate-artwork (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.04.1 => 23.10.0] (ubuntu-mate)
[09:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-initial-setup (mantic-proposed/main) [45.0-1ubuntu2 => 45.0-1ubuntu3] (ubuntu-desktop)
[09:25] <Wimpy> Please accept ubuntu-mate-artwork/23.10.0
[09:25] <tjaalton> jbicha: re bindgen, looks like some packages haven't been updated in sid yet, like rust-laurel, rust-leptonica-sys which are maintained outside the rust team
[09:27] <tjaalton> then again, bindgen did transition to testing already, so dunno
[09:30] <ginggs> Wimpy: .
[09:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-mate-artwork [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.0]
[09:32] <ginggs> Wimpy: there's also a mate-desktop sync'd by someone else, are you ok for that to be accepted?
[09:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-mate-artwork [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.10.0] (ubuntu-mate)
[09:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-initial-setup [source] (mantic-proposed) [45.0-1ubuntu3]
[09:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mosquitto (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.0.17-3 => 2.0.18-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mosquitto [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2.0.18-1]
[10:04] <Wimpy> ginggs: Let me just take a quick look at mate-desktop....
[10:06] <Wimpy> mate-desktop was sync back in July. That came from the Debian pkg-mate team (which I am on) so that is all fine.
[10:06] <ginggs> Wimpy: ack, thanks
[10:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-desktop [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.26.2-1]
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit-machines (jammy-backports/universe) [298-1~bpo22.04.1 => 299-1~bpo22.04.1] (no packageset)
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit-machines (lunar-backports/universe) [298-1~bpo23.04.1 => 299-1~bpo23.04.1] (no packageset)
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit-podman (jammy-backports/universe) [76-1~bpo22.04.1 => 77-1~bpo22.04.1] (no packageset)
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit-podman (lunar-backports/universe) [76-1~bpo23.04.1 => 77-1~bpo23.04.1] (no packageset)
[10:17] <Wimpy> ginggs: Thanks. I see some other MATE packages which might have made it to the sync queue. Would you be able to accept a few more?
[10:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flycheck (mantic-proposed/universe) [33~git20230824.e56e30d-1 => 33~git20230824.e56e30d-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[10:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flycheck [source] (mantic-proposed) [33~git20230824.e56e30d-1ubuntu1]
[10:22] <ginggs> Wimpy: sure, which ones?
[10:25] <Wimpy> Just double checking.....
[10:29] <LocutusOfBorg> while debugging flycheck autopkgtest failure ^^ I found that gawk is installed inside autopkgtests for ubuntu, but not for debian
[10:29] <LocutusOfBorg> (not a direct dependency for the package)
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... src:linux? :/
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> they must have been $reasons to pull in gawk
[10:32] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, ^^ maybe we can use awk instead of gawk?
[10:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect [sync] (mantic-proposed) [55-4]
[10:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-shell-pomodoro [sync] (mantic-proposed) [0.24.0-1~exp1]
[10:33] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, woh, that was a probabally done 30 cycles ago, not sure if i can remember why we would have chosen gawk over awk.
[10:33] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, why do we care?  awk and gawk should be compatible right?  other than gnu extensions?
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> so better not drag in directly?
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> installing it inside autopkgtests testbed makes flycheck fail, and it's an additional dependency w.r.t. debian testbed
[10:34] <Wimpy> ginggs: Please accept/sync these:
[10:34] <Wimpy> caja-rename/23.10.1-1
[10:34] <Wimpy> libmatemixer/1.26.0-2+deb12u1
[10:34] <Wimpy> mate-notification-daemon/1.26.1-1
[10:34] <Wimpy> mate-system-monitor/1.26.0-4
[10:34] <Wimpy> mate-session-manager/1.26.1-2
[10:34] <Wimpy> mate-user-guide/1.26.2-1
[10:34] <Wimpy> mate-utils/1.26.1-1
[10:34] <Wimpy> mate-notification-daemon/1.26.0-1+deb12u1
[10:34] <Wimpy> mate-system-monitor/1.26.0-5
[10:35] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, what is flycheck ?
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> +$(foreach _line,$(shell gawk '{ OFS = "!"; $$1 = $$1; print }' $(DROOT)/dkms-versions), \
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> flycheck is a package not migrating due to autopkgtest failures
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> blocking emacs
[10:36] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, right but why would it fail with gawk
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> after some debugging, I found that failing test is skipped in debian due to gawk not being installed
[10:36] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, so we should fix the test ?
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> reverse-depends brings me to kernel
[10:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect [amd64] (mantic-proposed/none) [55-4] (no packageset)
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, I already uploaded a fix to ignore the test, it's a new one
[10:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnome-shell-pomodoro [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/none) [0.24.0-1~exp1] (no packageset)
[10:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnome-shell-pomodoro [amd64] (mantic-proposed/none) [0.24.0-1~exp1] (no packageset)
[10:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnome-shell-pomodoro [s390x] (mantic-proposed/none) [0.24.0-1~exp1] (no packageset)
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> but in any case, why can't we sed gawk/awk in kernel?
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> (not for this cycle, maybe later?)
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mantic/commit/debian/rules.d/0-common-vars.mk?id=63047736aa9a00747e062159c581a77f1ddd420e
[10:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Commit 6304773 in ~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mantic "UBUNTU: [Packaging] support standalone dkms module builds"
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> stuff was done recently
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe copy-paste
[10:37] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, right, but that isn't the reason we use gawk in the packaging
[10:38] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, we use it in the packaging because we have to have gawk installed for the kernel itself
[10:38] <LocutusOfBorg> kernel itself needs gawk? why debian kernel doesn't?
[10:39] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, a good question, but the objdump-func uses it directly, they may have fixed the scripting etc.
[10:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnome-shell-pomodoro [armhf] (mantic-proposed/none) [0.24.0-1~exp1] (no packageset)
[10:39] <LocutusOfBorg> build time dependency or runtime one in your opinion?
[10:39] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, but ... the bug here is we have a test enabled which doesn't work in flycheck
[10:40] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, from the name i would say build-time
[10:41] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, but i want to understand why fixing flycheck isn't appropriate here.
[10:41] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, fixing flycheck is appropriate indeed, and I'm doing it
[10:42] <LocutusOfBorg> the question for kernel was "why do you runtime depend on it"?
[10:42] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm already reporting flycheck bug upstream
[10:42] <LocutusOfBorg> and ignore looks good since it looks more an upstream issue
[10:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libgedit-gtksourceview [source] (mantic-proposed) [299.0.4-0ubuntu1]
[10:43] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, and the reason there is internal kernel tooling use gawk specifically.  i am not au-fait enough with the delta in gawk's functionality to know if the kernel is just doing that in a fit of GPL pride or it uses the extensions.
[10:44] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, though why would autopkgtest have it installed for the kernel, why would the kernel testing/build not install it as a direct dep.
[10:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openjdk-22 (mantic-proposed/universe) [22~15ea-2 => 22~16ea-1] (no packageset)
[10:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openjdk-22 [source] (mantic-proposed) [22~16ea-1]
[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> gawk	1:5.2.1-2
[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> how can we know who is adding something on testbed-packages?
[10:45] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, a good question; on i don't think i know the answer to.
[10:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgedit-gtksourceview [amd64] (mantic-proposed/none) [299.0.4-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[10:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgedit-gtksourceview [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/none) [299.0.4-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[10:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgedit-gtksourceview [s390x] (mantic-proposed/none) [299.0.4-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[10:46] <LocutusOfBorg> for sure I don't have in a clean pbuilder-dist mantic chroot
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgedit-gtksourceview [arm64] (mantic-proposed/none) [299.0.4-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[10:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgedit-gtksourceview [armhf] (mantic-proposed/universe) [299.0.4-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[10:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openjdk-22 (mantic-release/universe) [22~16ea-1 => 22~15ea-2] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnome-shell-pomodoro [arm64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.24.0-1~exp1] (no packageset)
[10:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: caja-rename (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.9.1-1 => 23.10.1-1] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> kanashiro, hello, any idea for ruby3.1 build failure on arm* I fixed the symbol issue, but still getting something about test failures
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-notification-daemon (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.26.0-1 => 1.26.1-1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin) (sync)
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnome-shell-pomodoro [riscv64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.24.0-1~exp1] (no packageset)
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: smcroute (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.5.6-1 => 2.5.6-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted smcroute [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2.5.6-2]
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pykeepass (mantic-proposed/universe) [4.0.3-1 => 4.0.6-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[11:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pykeepass [sync] (mantic-proposed) [4.0.6-1]
[11:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed isa-support from i386-whitelist in mantic
[11:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed pcre3 from i386-whitelist in mantic
[11:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed ttf-bitstream-vera from i386-whitelist in mantic
[11:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added openjdk-22 to i386-whitelist in mantic
[11:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgedit-gtksourceview [riscv64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [299.0.4-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[11:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: secrets (mantic-proposed/universe) [7.3-1 => 8.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[11:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted secrets [sync] (mantic-proposed) [8.0-1]
[11:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted caja-rename [sync] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.1-1]
[11:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-notification-daemon [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.26.1-1]
[11:47] <ginggs> Wimpy: ^ caja-rename and mate-notification daemon accepted
[11:47] <Wimpy> ty!
[11:47] <Wimpy> Shall I run syncpackage for the others?
[11:48] <jbicha> Wimpy: I believe the others are already in mantic
[11:48] <Wimpy> jbicha: Thanks for confirming
[11:49] <Wimpy> Nice to get everything aligned again.
[11:49] <Wimpy> Fixes you identified I think jbicha
[11:49] <ginggs> Wimpy, jbicha: i also had a quick look, all seem up-to-date
[11:50] <Wimpy> Thanks both
[11:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-snapshot (mantic-proposed/universe) [1:20230917-1ubuntu1 => 1:20230926-1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[11:57] <tjaalton> ginggs, vorlon, xnox: given that mutter builds on arm64/armhf are a hit-or-miss also on the debian side because of flaky tests, they shouldn't block the new mesa
[11:57] <tjaalton> https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=mutter&arch=arm64
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-snapshot [source] (mantic-proposed) [1:20230926-1ubuntu1]
[11:58] <tjaalton> not all failures are due to tests failing, but many are
[11:58] <tjaalton> bindgen is another matter, we could stay on llvm 15 too
[11:59] <tjaalton> s/too/still
[13:23] <jbicha> ubuntu-release: please review gnome-shell-extension-tiling-assistant for mantic. It fixes one bug and once it's in mantic I'm going to get people to check if it also fixes bug 2034998 for mantic for them
[13:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2034998 in gnome-shell-extension-tiling-assistant (Ubuntu) "Super keybindings don't work when Tiling Assistant is enabled" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2034998
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, FYI I opened an upstream issue and a Debian RC bug for flycheck, just adding an additional build-dependency on gawk shows same issue
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> but still why it's pulled in is a question I can't solve
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libppd [source] (mantic-proposed) [2:2.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[13:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libreoffice (mantic-proposed/main) [4:7.6.1~rc2-0ubuntu2 => 4:7.6.2-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[13:28] <ginggs> tjaalton: to be clear, the rust-bindgen sync is not needed for mesa 23.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1
[13:28] <ginggs> ?
[13:29] <jbicha> tjaalton: I'm uploading a NMU to Unstable for rust-laurel now; rust-leptonica-sys doesn't appear to need any changes
[13:31] <tjaalton> ginggs: correct, it's for migrating mesa to llvm 16, but it's not critical at this point
[13:32] <tjaalton> jbicha: okay cool
[13:32] <ricotz> ginggs, hello :), please accept libreoffice/mantic, its testbuild succeeded and autopkgtests passed
[13:40] <ginggs> tjaalton: mutter still fails on arm64 and armhf here https://launchpad.net/~xnox/+archive/ubuntu/mesa/+packages?field.name_filter=mutter&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[13:40] <ginggs> (last retried about 1 hour ago)
[13:41] <tjaalton> still flaky tests, as it's a different one this time
[13:42] <tjaalton> there is a report upstream at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/2509
[13:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Issue 2509 in GNOME/mutter "Intermittent test failure: stacking/restore-size.metatest: 27: Expected size 300x200 didn't match actual size 500x400" [Opened]
[13:42] <tjaalton> but not much love there
[13:44] <tjaalton> pinged smcv about it
[13:45] <ginggs> it would be nice if those tests would be skipped in the mutter build, so if it ever needs to be rebuilt it can be done without someone hitting retry all the time
[13:45] <tjaalton> jbicha: ^ ?
[13:46] <tjaalton> but yes I agree, there's already a patch to skip some checks
[13:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libreoffice (lunar-proposed/main) [4:7.5.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 4:7.5.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop)
[13:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libreoffice [source] (mantic-proposed) [4:7.6.2-0ubuntu1]
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell-extension-tiling-assistant [source] (mantic-proposed) [44-1ubuntu1]
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cairo [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.18.0-1]
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pycairo (mantic-proposed/main) [1.24.0-1.1 => 1.24.0-3] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist) (sync)
[14:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pycairo [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.24.0-3]
[14:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pkgbinarymangler (mantic-proposed/main) [153 => 154] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[15:04] <vorlon> tjaalton: rust revdeps that are in unstable-only and don't have any apps depending on them can just be removed for release
[15:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pkgbinarymangler [source] (mantic-proposed) [154]
[15:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected openjdk-22 [sync] (mantic-release) [22~15ea-2]
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dill (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.3.6-1 => 0.3.7-1] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dill [sync] (mantic-proposed) [0.3.7-1]
[15:23] <vorlon> dbungert, fossfreedom_: the livecd-rootfs update missed today's ubuntu-budgie daily, so I'm doing a respin to pick up the fix for LP: #2036966
[15:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2036966 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "Budgie Installer fails with internet enabled / additional media support selected" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036966
[15:24] <vorlon> oh.  no, it didn't miss, the budgie daily is happening right now - so no respin :)
[15:26] <dbungert> nice
[15:26] <vorlon> tjaalton, ginggs, xnox: I'm not thrilled about flaky tests on mutter, either; please talk to the desktop team (jbicha, seb128?) and make sure there's an agreed plan for if mutter needs updating in mantic after the mesa update
[15:27] <vorlon> tjaalton: also wrt rust, if newer bindgen is the right answer, there's always the option of parallel packaging as a bindgen-0.66 so you don't have to deal with the transition.  Please advise which way you want to go with this, I will support whichever option, just so long as there's a plan to get things into a coherent state by release
[15:28] <vorlon> tjaalton: (and thus, let me know if I should accept / reject the current mesa and bindgen uploads)
[15:36] <mitchdz> Hi! I'm looking at amazon-ec2-net-utils that's currently in the universe archive for Lunar/Mantic. I'd like to also have this package available in Jammy/Focal. Could I get some guidance on the process for this?
[15:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cups (mantic-proposed/main) [2.4.6-0ubuntu2 => 2.4.6-0ubuntu3] (core, i386-whitelist)
[15:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (mantic-proposed/main) [18.2.0-0ubuntu1 => 18.2.0-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[15:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cups-browsed (mantic-proposed/main) [2.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 2.0.0-0ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[16:14] <vorlon> mitchdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Other_safe_cases "e.g. entirely new packages are usually fine".  But they fall a bit outside the normal SRU process, because they wind up in a different queue for NEW packages that only the intersection of ubuntu-archive + ubuntu-sru have access and authority to process; so after you get an upload you should reach out directly to the team (using
[16:14] <vorlon> this channel is fine)
[16:23] <vorlon> ItzSwirlz: hi, can we talk about ubuntucinnamon image sizes and what our target size limit should be for mantic
[16:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sbsigntool (mantic-proposed/main) [0.9.4-3.1ubuntu2 => 0.9.4-3.1ubuntu3] (core)
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sbsigntool [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.9.4-3.1ubuntu3]
[16:30] <mitchdz> vorlon: Thanks! Since I plan to copy 2.3.0-2 from Lunar, can I use that same version for both Jammy/Focal or will there be an issue in the archive uploading the same version? e.g. Should I use 2.3.0-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ceph [source] (mantic-proposed) [18.2.0-0ubuntu2]
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cups-browsed [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.0.0-0ubuntu2]
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cups [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.4.6-0ubuntu3]
[16:37] <mitchdz> never mind about the version comment, I figured out what it should be
[17:14] <tjaalton> vorlon: newer bindgen is only needed if doko wants mesa to be built with llvm ;)
[17:14] <tjaalton> llvm 16 that is
[17:14] <tjaalton> current mesa is fine, bindgen we can still discuss
[17:14] <vorlon> tjaalton: I'll reject bindgen for now
[17:15] <tjaalton> okay, that's fine
[17:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected rust-bindgen [sync] (mantic-proposed) [0.66.1-3]
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: distro-info (xenial-backports/main) [0.18~ubuntu16.04.1 => 0.18ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo18.04.1] (core)
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: klepto [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.2.4-1] (no packageset)
[17:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-docs (mantic-proposed/main) [23.10.1 => 23.10.2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mozjs115 (mantic-proposed/universe) [115.2.0-0ubuntu1 => 115.3.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[17:29] <vorlon> tjaalton: and I'm accepting mesa because I know we need to get this moving, but am still concerned about mutter flakiness and the possibility of any increase in that flakiness
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mozjs115 [source] (mantic-proposed) [115.3.0-0ubuntu1]
[17:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gjs (mantic-proposed/main) [1.76.2-4 => 1.78.0-0ubuntu1] (desktop-core, desktop-extra, i386-whitelist, mozilla)
[17:33] <jbicha> vorlon: I replied to bug 2034276 & uploaded gjs here ^
[17:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2034276 in gjs (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Update gjs to 1.77.90 and switch mozjs102 to mozjs115" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2034276
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mesa [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1]
[17:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: geoclue-2.0 (mantic-proposed/main) [2.7.0-3ubuntu2 => 2.7.0-3ubuntu3] (desktop-core)
[17:39] <tjaalton> vorlon: thanks. looking at the past build logs on debian side it looks like this isn't something new
[17:41] <fossfreedom_> hmm ... something strange on the UB ISO - we now have the mate-desktop on it.  Has there been some mate syncs lately?
[17:44] <bdmurray> fossfreedom_: I seem to recall seeing that in the scrollback
[17:48] <fossfreedom_> why on earth has mate-system-monitor now got a dependency on mate-session-monitor?!  I never has had it in the past.
[17:49] <jbicha> looks like I found it the same time you did: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1465970/accepted-mate-system-monitor-1260-4-source-into-unstable/
[17:49] <fossfreedom_> s/mate-session-monitor/mate-session-manager/
[17:50] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: it was a response to https://sources.debian.org/src/mate-system-monitor/1.26.0-5/src/sysinfo.cpp/?hl=222#L222
[17:51] <jbicha> but I'll prepare an upload to drop that dependency for mantic
[17:51] <fossfreedom_> much appreciated!
[17:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-system-monitor (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.26.0-5 => 1.26.0-5ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin)
[18:18] <ricotz> bdmurray, hello :), would you have time to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/2037274
[18:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2037274 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Lunar) "[SRU] libreoffice 7.5.7 for lunar" [Medium, In Progress]
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-openstackclient (mantic-proposed/main) [6.2.0-0ubuntu1 => 6.3.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[20:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: thunderbird (mantic-proposed/main) [1:115.2.3+build2-0ubuntu1 => 1:115.3.0+build2-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[20:10] <jbicha> ubuntu-release: could mate-system-monitor be reviewed for mantic since it fixes a disruptive bug for desktop flavors?
[20:10] <vorlon> yes
[20:12] <vorlon> jbicha: should there be a Breaks: << replacing the Depends: >= ?
[20:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-system-monitor [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.26.0-5ubuntu1]
[20:14] <jbicha> I'll ask at Debian bug 1052997
[20:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1052997 in src:mate-system-monitor "mate-system-monitor: unwanted dependency on mate-session-manager" [Normal, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1052997
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gjs [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.78.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:16] <vorlon> juliank, mkukri: is it time to bump cd-boot-images-foo for this grub, or are you expecting Yet Another Upload before release?
[20:17] <juliank> vorlon: ah shoot I forgot
[20:18] <juliank> But yes I think there will be another one
[20:18] <juliank> It's still good to bump it now for more testing I think
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-unsigned [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2.12~rc1-10ubuntu2]
[20:19] <vorlon> mm yes very good point
[20:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-signed [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.195]
[20:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-default-settings (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.10.13 => 23.10.14] (ubuntustudio)
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> ^ solves critical upgrade bug 2037471
[20:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2037471 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings fails to upgrade 23.04 -> 23.10" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037471
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: censys (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.2.5-1 => 2.2.6-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-esmre (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.0-1build2 => 1.0.1-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted censys [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2.2.6-1]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-esmre [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.0.1-1]
[21:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: workrave (mantic-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu1 => 1.10.52-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted workrave [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.10.52-1ubuntu1]
[21:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: workrave [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.10.52-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:54] <vpa1977> Hi, would it be possible to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libyuv/+bug/2015413 - sync for libyuv at some point? Thank you!!!
[21:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2015413 in libyuv (Ubuntu) "[FFe] please sync libyuv from Debian  0.0~git20230616.a366ad7-2" [Undecided, New]
[22:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (mantic-proposed/main) [23.10.45 => 23.10.47] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[22:10] <bdmurray> coreycb: I don't see the version of horizon listed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/2030526/comments/11
[22:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2030526 in octavia (Ubuntu Jammy) "[SRU] yoga stable releases" [High, Fix Committed]
[22:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted geoclue-2.0 [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.7.0-3ubuntu3]
[22:18] <xnox> vorlon: i didn't know if we have precedent with capitalisation or not
[22:19] <xnox> given the model name in dmidecode and on websites is Lenovo X13s Gen 1
[22:21] <xnox> i think i have my answer with OMAP 4
[22:21] <xnox> given that it an actual acronym
[22:22] <vorlon> xnox: all other subarchs use lowercase, despite most of them clearly being brand names etc
[22:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-openstackclient [source] (mantic-proposed) [6.3.0-0ubuntu1]
[22:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted thunderbird [source] (mantic-proposed) [1:115.3.0+build2-0ubuntu1]
[22:30] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: LP: #2037471 this is not the first grub ordering issue that's come up during the development cycle, and none of the other issues involved adding versioned depends on grub-common. I'm pinging juliank for a refresher on what he needed to do here, to make sure we're aligned
[22:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2037471 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings fails to upgrade 23.04 -> 23.10" [Critical, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037471
[22:42] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: GRUB_FLAVOUR_ORDER is implemented in this, and simply needs to be implemented in grub. I've been communicating with juliank on what needed to be done on this and we've been coordinating.
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> vorlon:  The problem here is, when upgrading, the old /etc/grub.d/10_linux was being run despite grub being upgraded, whereas grub-common provides /etc/grub.d/10_linux.
[22:44] <Eickmeyer> Basically, I made d/control in ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings prevent the race condition caused by apt running the upgrade of u-ll-s before grub-common.
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> Right now, upgrades for Ubuntu Studio 23.04 -> 23.10 beta are failing due to this issue.
[22:46] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: why is it a versioned dependency instead of an unversioned dependency
[22:48] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Because the versions of 10_linux prior to that version are incompatible with grub prior to that, and we don't want to run update-grub unless everything matches.
[22:48] <Eickmeyer> Let me rephrase.
[22:50] <Eickmeyer> The 10_linux in grub-common prior to 2.12~ is incompatible with grub 2.12~. ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings *might* (and in my testing, did) install between grub and grub-common being upgraded.
[22:50] <Eickmeyer> This change prevents that.
[22:50] <Eickmeyer> Hence, >=
[22:51] <vorlon> "grub and grub-common" < these are not the correct package names
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> grub2 and grub2-common then.
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> It's correct in the package.
[22:51] <vorlon> no, you don't have a package named grub2 installed
[22:51] <vorlon> update-grub is provided by grub2-common
[22:52] <vorlon>  /etc/grub.d/10_linux is provided by grub-common
[22:52] <vorlon> and grub2-common has a strict versioned dependency on grub-common
[22:52] <vorlon> so from what I see the issue you're having is because you have a maintainer script invoking code from a package that it doesn't declare a dependency on at all
[22:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rtl8812au [source] (lunar-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>75.20140902+dfsg-0ubuntu20~23.04]
[22:53] <Eickmeyer> No. I'm trying to explain this better.
[22:53] <vorlon> because if there was an unversioned Depends: grub2-common, apt would not configure ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings while grub2-common was not configured
[22:53] <Eickmeyer> It's not because of update-grub.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> It has more to do with grub itself. update-grub failed at 10_linux during the maintscript.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> But, when it was ran later, there was no failure.
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> This tells me that grub-common needed to be upgraded/configured first.
[22:56] <vorlon> yes, which it is if you have an unversioned dependency on grub2-common.
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> If It's upgrading and were unversioned, would it not still see that grub-common were installed and do it anyway?
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> s/grub-common/grub2-common
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> Because, I assure you, grub2-common was installed in the machine to be upgraded.
[22:57] <vorlon> CONFIGURED
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> er, configured.
[22:57] <vorlon> no, it wasn't
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> And now I'm confused.
[22:58] <vorlon> also I just noticed you're adding this as a pre-depends
[22:58] <vorlon> no
[22:58] <vorlon> do you have an upgrade log from the failure?
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> I'm not trying to be hostile here, I'm just *very* confused.
[22:59] <Eickmeyer> I did, let me see if I can fetch it.
[23:05] <Eickmeyer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings/+bug/2037471/comments/2
[23:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2037471 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings fails to upgrade 23.04 -> 23.10" [Critical, Fix Committed]
[23:05] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: ^
[23:05] <vorlon> thanks, looking
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> Had the same symptoms before removing 09_lowlatency from lowlatency-settings after grub 2.11 dropped.
[23:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-applets [sync] (mantic-proposed) [3.50.0-1]
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: I do see what you're saying, can demote from pre-deps to depends.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> But still confused as to why it'd need to be unversioned.
[23:18] <vorlon> working on posting a full analysis to the bug
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> Ok.
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> As long as I don't have to go back to the drawing board on the whole package.
[23:21] <bdmurray> xnox: Who are you expecting an answer from? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/2013236/comments/37
[23:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2013236 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu Mantic) "b43 driver conflicts with bcmwl driver for some Broadcom devices" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[23:22] <xnox> bdmurray: the gui stuff was to alberto
[23:22] <xnox> bdmurray: the "blacklist not working, whilst clearly packaged by default, and requiring manual blacklist" was to you
[23:23] <xnox> also the latest comments are confusing
[23:23] <xnox> given that said drivers haven't had any changes in years
[23:27] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: posted
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> Looking..
[23:29] <bdmurray> Isn't this upgrade issue the same as bug 2031420?
[23:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2031420 in memtest86+ (Ubuntu) "package memtest86+ 6.20-2 failed to install/upgrade: installed memtest86+ package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 127" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031420
[23:29] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: added a further comment with what I believe would be a correct implementation
[23:29] <vorlon> bdmurray: THERE we go, I knew there had been another such issue but couldn't remember where it was
[23:29] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: I was just about to type here: update-grub || true. :D
[23:30] <vorlon> yes, it's the same issue; except more complicated because ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings is calling update-grub in a few more places than is usual
[23:30] <vorlon> memtest86+ already only calls update-grub from the postrm if $1 in (remove,purge)
[23:31] <vorlon> oh actually, you don't need to call it for the failed-upgrade case either
[23:33] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: so I'm bypassing the check for update-grub2 as part of this, both because a failure to execute due to a missing command can be ignored with || true the same as any other failure; and because it's bad form to do `which update-grub2` and then call a different command than update-grub2
[23:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntustudio-default-settings [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.14]
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Oh, yeah, I never use "which" anymore, only "command -v" if I must, and check executable path if necessary.
[23:42] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: also, whereas ubuntustudio-default-settings uses .maintscript for managing removal of obsolete conffiles, ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings is doing by-hand removals of /etc/grub.d/09_lowlatency which don't have the expected conffile handling in many cases
[23:42] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: and you're calling chmod +x /etc/grub.d/10_linux rather a lot...
[23:43] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Sadly, that's because a previous package maintainer thought it was a good idea to do chmod -x /etc/grub.d/10_linux, so I wanted to make *darn sure* it's executable again.
[23:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: easyssh (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.7.9-3 => 1.7.9-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted easyssh [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.7.9-4]
[23:45] <vorlon> rs2009: I'm going ahead and bumping the image limit for ubuntu-unity to 3.5GB. If you want a different limit, we can set it accordingly.  (But if you want a lower limit, you'll have to make some changes to your seeds to achieve it...)
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: five years later, and there's a lot of non-policy mess and bad habits, even from myself, I'm cleaning up.
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> Right now, I'm just trying to get mantic across the finish line.
[23:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-panel [source] (mantic-proposed) [1:3.50.0-1ubuntu1]
[23:57] <vorlon> tumbleweed: uh why does seeded-in-ubuntu tell me gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng is in ubuntu "daily-legacy, daily-live, daily-preinstalled" when the actual seed its in (as shown by the Task: field) is ubuntu desktop-minimal
[23:58] <vorlon> jbicha: if gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng already had GNOME 45 support cherry-picked, what's the advantage of taking this new sync?