[08:35] <inetpro> g00d m0rning
[08:41] <superfly> hi inetpro
[08:59] <inetpro> superfly: hiho, how goes it this morn?
[08:59] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[08:59]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:00] <superfly> inetpro: not too bad, can't complain
[09:00] <superfly> yourself?
[09:01]  * inetpro shaking off the feelings of burnout and trying to focus
[09:02] <inetpro> obviously a good cup of caffeine from Maaz will help to do the trick
[09:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[09:04] <inetpro> ahhh
[09:04] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks a lot
[09:04] <Maaz> My pleasure inetpro
[09:15] <Kilos> mornin superfly and others
[09:16] <Kilos> pta electrical decided we dont need power this morning
[09:18] <superfly> morning Kilos
[10:40] <Kilos> when natty tells me unity cant work with my hardware is it referring to the graphics card?
[10:43] <Kilos> or are cpu and ram invloved as well
[11:19] <superfly> Kilos: yes, your graphics card
[11:19] <Kilos> ty superfly
[12:21] <magespawn> howdy all
[12:24] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[12:27] <magespawn> hey kilos. you always here?
[12:27] <Kilos> as much as possible
[12:47] <magespawn> that was ironic
[12:57] <Kilos> power again
[12:58] <Kilos> im sure they keep cutting it to see how many pc's they can mess up
[12:58] <Kilos> 4 times today
[13:50] <Kilos> superfly, what do you use for twitter. is there a low data tool
[13:53] <superfly> Kilos: All Twitter clients use the same way of talking to Twitter.
[13:53] <Kilos> oh ok ty
[13:53] <Kilos> i forgot how to setup gwibber
[13:54] <superfly> Kilos: you can maybe change how often Gwibber talks to Twitter
[13:54] <Kilos> some peeps been tweeting bout tara at xfactor
[13:56] <Kilos> ok will look into that ty
[13:56] <Kilos> also saw gtwitter
[14:05] <Kilos> i can only browse to twitter. gwibber and gtwitter cant get in
[14:06]  * Kilos right off tweeting
[14:11] <Kilos> heres my brat trying out for xfactor
[14:11] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmLemlIDCl0
[14:27] <magespawn> and there he goes again.
[14:51] <nuvolari> ba-a-a-a-a-a.
[14:51] <nuvolari> lo everyone
[14:56] <inetpro> yikes!
[14:56] <inetpro> superfly: kilos is famous if you ask me
[14:58] <magespawn> later all home time.
[15:01] <inetpro> Kilos: wb
[15:01] <inetpro> Kilos: you are the man of the moment!
[15:01] <Kilos> ty inetpro i be on xubuntu now
[15:01] <Kilos> why
[15:02] <Kilos> what i missed
[15:02] <inetpro> Kilos: your brat on xfactor
[15:02] <Kilos> lol oh
[15:02] <inetpro> that is damn good!
[15:02] <Kilos> and she cant go all the way this year because the usa blocked her visa for the next round
[15:02] <inetpro> eish
[15:03] <inetpro> there's no way that you can hold back that sort of talent
[15:03] <Kilos> but the judges said they will fix the visa and she can skip first 2 rounds in next year
[15:03] <Kilos> i havent seen it
[15:03] <Kilos> aparently twitter and fb raving
[15:04] <Kilos> she doesnt even tweet
[15:04] <inetpro> for sure they are
[15:07] <inetpro> Kilos: see https://mobile.twitter.com/searches?q=Tara-Lynn
[15:07] <inetpro> that is the low-bandwidth mobile version
[15:08] <Kilos> oh i can go by fone?
[15:08] <Kilos> or from here
[15:10] <inetpro> Kilos: on you normal browser
[15:10] <Kilos> ok ty inetpro
[15:29]  * nuvolari saves oom Kilos's video
[15:29] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[15:30] <Kilos> tell me how to save it lad
[15:30] <Kilos> havent seen it yet
[15:30] <Kilos> but if i get there i wanna be able to save not look online\
[15:32] <nuvolari> Kilos: what I do is to watch a video in Chrome on youtube, then I go to ~/.cache/chromium/Default/Cache and check for the last f_xxxx file after I watched the video
[15:32] <nuvolari> then I just copy it to my videos directory
[15:33] <Kilos> ow is it a video?
[15:33] <nuvolari> it's a flash video
[15:34] <nuvolari> I'm off
[15:34] <nuvolari> cheerz everyone
[15:34] <Kilos> go safe
[15:37] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[15:37] <Kilos> what size is it in megs
[15:41] <Kilos> too late
[15:53] <Kilos> eish power cut again
[15:54] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:54]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[15:54] <Kilos> Maaz, strong
[15:54] <Maaz> Kilos My coffee is always strong. If it is too strong for you then add more milk
[15:54] <Kilos> ok
[15:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:03] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:03] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[16:21]  * superfly stabs KDEPIM with a sword, repeatedly
[16:21] <superfly> die scumbag, die!
[16:22] <Kilos> eish superfly
[16:22] <Kilos> such violence
[16:22] <superfly> Kilos: then you can imagine how horrible it is, if it drives me to violence
[16:23] <Kilos> wow i never seen you like this
[16:23] <Kilos> must be old age creaping up
[16:24] <superfly> Kilos: no, it's bad software
[16:25] <Kilos> lol
[16:26] <superfly> any software that makes you want to rip your eyeballs out with forks because it would be less painful than actually using the software is bad software
[16:27] <Kilos> eina
[16:28] <Kilos> must be very bad
[16:28] <Kilos> not written in python hey?
[16:29] <superfly> well, it's written in C++, which is fine
[16:30] <Kilos> ah just badly written
[16:30] <superfly> but it's a retarded piece of software, with a retarded idea behind it
[16:30] <superfly> and yet the monkeys who wrote it think that it's the best thing ever
[16:30] <Kilos> lol
[16:31] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[16:31] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[16:31] <superfly> and I've been trying to avoid it as much as possible, but now even my e-mail client needs to use it
[16:31] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:31]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[16:31] <superfly> so I have no choice
[16:31] <Kilos> oh my thats not nice
[16:31]  * nuvolari vee 'n traan weg
[16:31] <nuvolari> oom Kilos
[16:31] <Kilos> ya nuvolari
[16:31] <nuvolari> sy sing ongelooflik mooi!
[16:31] <nuvolari> ek het sommer hoendervleis gekry
[16:32] <Kilos> ek sien op twitter almal hou daarvan
[16:32] <Kilos> hoe veel meg is die video seun
[16:33] <nuvolari> ek kyk oom
[16:33] <nuvolari> nogals groot
[16:33] <nuvolari> 31.8 Mb
[16:33] <nuvolari> *MB
[16:33] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:35] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:35] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[17:23] <Kilos> bbl
[17:38] <Kilos> how do we see logs please
[17:38] <Kilos> i was on xubuntu now back and need to find some info from then
[17:39] <superfly> Kilos: is your xubuntu partition mounted?
[17:39] <Kilos> i can mount it
[17:39] <Kilos> its in places
[17:41] <superfly> Kilos: what info do you need from it?
[17:42] <Kilos> what nuvo said where he finds the downloaded youtube vids
[17:49] <Kilos> or whatever he does to save it. i have forgotten already
[18:18] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:19] <Kilos> Maaz, spell domdonner
[18:19] <Maaz> Kilos: That doesn't seem correct, but I can't find anything to suggest
[18:19] <Kilos> hehe
[18:20] <inetpro> 09/06 17:32:50 <nuvolari> Kilos: what I do is to watch a video in Chrome on youtube, then I go to ~/.cache/chromium/Default/Cache and check for the last f_xxxx file after I watched the video
[18:20] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[18:22] <Kilos> with my luck that cache wont be there
[18:22] <inetpro> in Firefox it seems that we can no longer get the cached version
[18:23] <Kilos> im actually trying to blog again after so long away
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: have you seen the video yet?
[18:23] <Kilos> i will try chromium
[18:23] <Kilos> nossir
[18:24] <Kilos> i always the last you should remember that
[18:24] <Kilos> you brouhgt me the first songs we ever heard about her remember
[18:25] <inetpro> heh, that was some time ago
[18:25] <Kilos> im just scared i get to see it even though it will come bits and pieces and then not have it saved
[18:26] <Kilos> dunno where that nuvolari brat is so i can make sure first i dont need to add something to chromium first
[18:27] <Kilos> xubuntu has that ghost kinda bottom panel. kinda weird
[18:28] <Kilos> will still get my kubuntu back from ian
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: just play it!
[18:34] <inetpro> you can always save later if it doesn't work now
[18:34] <Kilos> ok
[18:35] <inetpro> that kind of talent will not be removed any time soon from youtube
[18:49] <Kilos> bbl. struggling here
[19:07] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[19:07] <Kilos> can i wget the song
[19:07] <Kilos> i tried three times
[19:08] <Kilos> gets to 2 mins 38 and just stops downloading
[19:08] <Kilos> or maybe i ask nuvolari to mail it to me then hey?
[19:08] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, if you hang on a bit I'll try to get it for you so you can use wget
[19:09] <Kilos> ty nuvolari
[19:09] <nuvolari> no problem oom
[19:09] <nuvolari> just need te get my mojo straight :P
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <Kilos> so frustrating when this happens
[19:12] <Kilos> how can one get all the ubuntu files of hundreds of megs but cant watch a whole video
[19:12] <Kilos> grrr
[19:13] <nuvolari> ya oom, youtube making me see red often
[19:15] <Kilos> had to sign in and all kindsa stuff and try watch 3 times. up to the same place. i dont understand it
[19:15] <Kilos> grrrr
[19:15]  * Kilos gets like the fly and looks for a sword
[19:15] <Kilos> or a hammer
[19:19] <nuvolari> :-/ having trouble
[19:19] <Kilos> murphy is out in full force
[19:20] <Kilos> nuvolari, you can just mail it from work to me tomorrow\
[19:20] <Kilos> nuvolari, pong
[19:54] <Kilos> 88%
[19:54] <Kilos> klaar
[19:54] <Kilos> dankie weer
[19:54] <nuvolari> whoot!
[19:55] <Kilos> lol dit het tot op 310kB/s gegaan
[19:55] <nuvolari> sjoe! dis blitsvinnig!
[19:55] <nuvolari> ok, ek gaan nou rerig slaap
[19:56] <nuvolari> lekker slaap oom
[19:56] <Kilos> ja as dit net daar kan bly is ek in twee dae sonder data
[19:56] <nuvolari> ek weet oom gaan lekker slaap na daai video :D
[19:56] <Kilos> hehe
[19:56] <Kilos> baie dankie
[19:58] <Kilos> net die audio het gekom
[19:59] <nuvolari> hmm. dit kan nie wees nie :-/
[19:59] <nuvolari> ag jinnetjie tog
[19:59] <Kilos> skuus ek kan dit nie volskerm kyk nie
[20:00] <nuvolari> hoe meen oom?
[20:00] <nuvolari> kan oom iets sien?
[20:00] <Kilos> ja op die klein vlc
[20:00] <nuvolari> het oom mplayer?
[20:00] <Kilos> maar volskerm net audio
[20:00] <nuvolari> dis weird
[20:01] <Kilos> ek sal kyk dankie seun gaan slaap nou
[20:09] <Kilos> oh my. she can really sing
[20:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:11] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 835 for the day's update.
[00:39] <Bashing-om> UWN: saved and out.
[00:40] <guiverc> :)  thanks Bashing-om ... realized its saturday so had switched to that tab on my firefox, but haven't opened a mousepad window for summaries yet..
[00:49] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - that time of the week again, already :D
[00:49] <guiverc> yep...
[01:14] <Bashing-om> guiverc: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/1%3A9.6p1-3ubuntu13/+index - of interest for UWN ?
[01:15] <guiverc> i'm getting a lost page on that url
[01:16] <guiverc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/1:9.6p1-3ubuntu13   but not sure if that's the page you meant (changelog or something else?)
[01:24] <guiverc> I'm going to paste two summaries..  (am thinking of rebooting this box so will paste first, updating jammy [dual boot system] & will return later)
[01:26]  * guiverc out
[01:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Confirmed the URLs are same same link.
[01:40] <guiverc> if you can include that as additional detail, other news (no summary) maybe..   but I'm not sure much would be obtained with that link alone
[01:40] <guiverc> (me doesn't see much this issue on xz... only gparted unless I missed one/some)
[01:48]  * guiverc disappearing awhile... (reboot, boot jammy & update it etc)
[02:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Podcast Ubuntu Portugal: E294 Especial Wikicon Portugal 2024 - Tomo I @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e294/
[02:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Kubuntu General News: Kubuntu 24.04 Beta Released @ https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-24-04-beta-released/
[02:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Scarlett Gately Moore: Kubuntu: Noble Numbat Beta available! Qt6 snaps coming soon. @ https://www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/kubuntu-noble-numbat-beta-available-qt6-snaps-coming-soon/
[03:06]  * guiverc going to add one..  Bashing-om  might benefit if you read summary & okay  somewhat editoral (not just summary)
[03:08]  * guiverc out
[03:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack - can do - as I have nothing else goin at the present time.
[03:09] <guiverc> beta status tracking one.. (still haven't advanced far yet..)
[03:09] <guiverc> no hurry anyway...
[03:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Lemme go attend to my nicoteen habit firstly.
[03:20] <guiverc> I didn't include posters name either .. does it matter?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I do not see that not listing the poster matters here - and yeah - your editorial is outstanding.
[03:26] <guiverc> :)
[03:40]  * guiverc going to post two more summaries (dog is nudging me telling me time for walkies too.. so may post those & leave this awhile)
[03:41]  * guiverc out
[03:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Attend to doggo's directive - else there will be a mess to clean up - experience speaking :P
[03:44] <guiverc> :)    front door is kept open by a shoe.. thus not worried about those 'messes'..  more so that he'll grab my leg & encourage me (ouchies)...
[05:31]  * guiverc going to add some summaries
[05:36]  * guiverc out (few mins back actually)
[06:01]  * guiverc adding one summary (going to have to stop here awhile.. so paste what I did)
[06:05]  * guiverc out & away  (feed some birbs)
[06:38]  * guiverc adding summaries
[06:50]  * guiverc going into edit mode
[07:01]  * guiverc isn't in edit mode... must have exited & mind disappeared elsewhere..
[08:10]  * guiverc will soon enter edit & paste mode
[08:19]  * guiverc again been out awhile (forgot to post here)


[00:20] <cjwatson> slangasek: managing to find a case where bash isn't a strict superset of dash is relatively good going though. (yes, I know there are a couple ...)
[01:32] <lfaraone> Are there any plans to make Empathy in the default in karmic or karmic+1?
[01:32] <lfaraone> (default IM clinet)
[01:37] <toggles> lol
[01:38] <toggles> lfaraone: you missed hug day mate, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/MessagingAndCommunicationSelection
[01:49] <TheMuso> dtchen: cool.
[01:59] <lfaraone> toggles: just because I empathize with your problems doesn't mean I want to get all touchy-feely about it. :P
[05:27] <AnAnt> Hello
[05:28] <AnAnt> regarding Depending/Recommending default-mta
[05:28] <AnAnt> I worked on mutt, and changed the Recommends from exim4 to default-mta
[05:28] <AnAnt> and sent that to Debian, so they just replied me with the following:
[05:28] <AnAnt> the policy says that the first depend should be
[05:28] <AnAnt> always a real package and not a virtual (check debian policy 3.8.2);
[05:29] <AnAnt> should that be mentioned here on in the -server chanel ?
[05:37] <AnAnt> debian bug 533442
[06:24] <shastry> why does the ubuntu installer assume that system time is UTC? it no longer gives me the option to set it!
[06:24] <shastry> i am talking about the 9.04 installer.
[06:26] <lamont> slangasek: where was the discussion that convinced me that default-mta should be a Provides:?
[06:27] <lifeless> ttp://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00068.html?
[06:27] <lifeless> [as a link in a thread about that]
[06:48] <slangasek> lamont: debian-devel in Feb/Mar, I guess?
[08:43] <shaw> hrm, how do I get an arm ppa build?
[08:44] <cjwatson> shaw: you don't at the moment I'm afraid; there is no working virtualisation set up for arm so PPAs can't be offered
[08:45] <cjwatson> shaw: there is some hope of this changing in the future but not very short-term
[08:45] <shaw> cjwatson: ok, dang.
[11:04] <BUGabundo> guud day
[11:04] <BUGabundo> any compiz experts around?
[11:04] <BUGabundo> mvo is not here right now
[11:56] <BUGabundo> hey MattJ
[11:57] <MattJ> Hi
[12:42] <maxb> Any devicekit-power wizards around who'd care to have a glance at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit-power/+bug/384304 and recommend how to debug?
[12:51] <RainCT> Are there any plans to update portaudio? (Or, any reasons why it wouldn't be updated other than that nobody cares about it?)
[13:32] <TheMuso> infinity: When you're around, mind giving me some pointers as to where I could start in debugging the powerpc texlive-base build issues experienced on the buildds? I haven't yet been able to reproduce it locally, and I'd like to get this fixed.
[14:29] <dtchen> RainCT: right, no current movement, so feel free to tackle
[14:58] <MacSlow> I really hate asking for help...
[14:59] <MacSlow> But how is one supposed to geta  working ./configure into a package meant for building in a PPA?
[15:00] <directhex> not sure i get the question
[15:01] <MacSlow> well I had to update configure.in and examples/Makefile.am of notify-osd in trunk
[15:01] <MacSlow> now I want to build a PPA from an earlier attempt yesterday and just include the changes to notify-osd trunk in a "distro-patch"
[15:02] <MacSlow> I did that via cdbs-edit-patch and all is fine (almost i think)
[15:02] <MacSlow> but the patched-in configure is not executable and the PPA-buildsytem can't find the ./configure thus fails
[15:04] <directhex> make it executable in your configure-stamp rule?
[15:04] <directhex> oh, cdbs. pass.
[15:04] <MacSlow> and that means?
[15:05] <MacSlow> I mena which file to edit?
[15:05] <directhex> it means i don't know how to override cdbs behaviour enough to do what you want
[15:05] <MacSlow> debian/rules
[15:05] <MacSlow> is debian rules applied before or after cdbs patches are applied?
[15:06] <directhex> before. debian/rules is the makefile which is executed in order to build the package. it's the makefile which contains a rule (or includes a rule from an external file) specifying HOW to apply debian/patches/foo
[15:07] <Nafallo> s/before/while/
[15:08] <MacSlow> btw... how comes configure isn't executable in the first place?
[15:09] <MacSlow> when I initially generated the 90_autoreconf.patch after I updated configure.in and examples/Makefile.am it was executable
[16:48] <lesshaste> hi
[16:49] <lesshaste> hi RainCT
[16:50] <lesshaste> hi mrooney
[16:54] <lesshaste> hi mterry
[16:54] <mterry> lesshaste: Yo
[16:55] <lesshaste> I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on reporting/debugging a strange thing where "shutdown" actually "hibernates" on my laptop
[16:55] <lesshaste> it's not really clear to me even which log file is relevant
[16:55] <lesshaste> this is on jaunty 2.6.28-13-generic
[16:56] <mterry> lesshaste: /var/log/kern.log might be useful
[16:56] <mterry> lesshaste: But a likely culprit is gnome-power-manager...  Not sure where it logs to
[16:56] <lesshaste> ah... I am certainly in gnome
[16:57] <mterry> lesshaste: 'ubuntu-bug gnome-power-manager' will probably pull in all useful logs for you
[17:01] <lesshaste> thanks
[17:01] <lesshaste> how can you tell if you have just hibernated or suspended?
[17:01] <lesshaste> I mean, how can you tell them apart?
[17:02] <lesshaste> and ubuntu-bug crashed :)
[17:02] <lesshaste> http://pastebin.ca/1467715
[17:15] <mrooney> lesshaste: you might be better served in #ubuntu-bugs
[17:16] <lesshaste> mrooney, thanks again
[20:32] <slangasek> seb128, pitti: what has rewritten all the .desktop files on my karmic system and invalidated the packages' .checksums files?
[20:32] <slangasek> (will try to file bug eventually, but am in airport right now and this is incidental to the reason I'm running debsums in the first place)
[20:37] <slangasek> pitti: hmm - I think the new pkgbinarymangler stuff is rewriting .desktop files after dh_md5sums is already written out?
[20:38] <slangasek> yep, looks like it... the file on the filesystem matches the one in the package, but doesn't match the .md5sums file
[23:32] <Nyquist333> Anyone know how to get started working with the Grub2 project. I need to know how to get my image to run in a VM for testing. I have to add a feature for my company.


[00:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nageru [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.3.4-2] (no packageset)
[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-go.crypto (xenial-proposed/main) [1:0.0~git20151201.0.7b85b09-2 => 1:0.0~git20161012.0.5f31782-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[00:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nageru [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.3.4-2] (no packageset)
[00:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nageru [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.3.4-2] (no packageset)
[00:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nageru [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.3.4-2] (no packageset)
[00:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nageru [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.3.4-2] (no packageset)
[00:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nageru [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.3.4-2] (no packageset)
[00:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nageru [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.3.4-2] (no packageset)
[01:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdrumstick [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.2-1] (no packageset)
[01:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdrumstick [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.2-1] (no packageset)
[01:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdrumstick [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.2-1] (no packageset)
[01:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdrumstick [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.2-1] (no packageset)
[01:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdrumstick [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.2-1] (no packageset)
[01:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdrumstick [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.2-1] (no packageset)
[01:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libdrumstick [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.2-1] (no packageset)
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdrumstick [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-1]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdrumstick [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-1]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdrumstick [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-1]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdrumstick [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-1]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdrumstick [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-1]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdrumstick [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-1]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdrumstick [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.2-1]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nageru [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.3.4-2]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nageru [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.3.4-2]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nageru [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [1.3.4-2]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nageru [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.3.4-2]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nageru [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.3.4-2]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nageru [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.3.4-2]
[06:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nageru [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.3.4-2]
[06:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted firebird3.0 [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>609.ds4-8]
[06:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted firebird3.0 [i386] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>609.ds4-8]
[06:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted firebird3.0 [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>609.ds4-8]
[06:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted firebird3.0 [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>609.ds4-8]
[06:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted firebird3.0 [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>609.ds4-8]
[06:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted firebird3.0 [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>609.ds4-8]
[06:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted firebird3.0 [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>609.ds4-8]
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pcp [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.11.5] (no packageset)
[09:16] <pitti> FTR: britney isn't being updated because swift keeps running into "proxy errors" or timeouts
[09:16] <pitti> Laney: ^
[09:16] <pitti> I'll watch it and notify IS if this persists
[09:17] <Laney> pitti: I think I saw robr_u asking about swift problems yesterday also
[09:17] <pitti> Laney: yeah, for "the" bileto ticket
[09:18] <Laney> failing to upload files
[09:18] <Laney> so already persisted for some time if it's the same problem
[09:19] <pitti> it's the download direction for me
[09:29] <pitti> nice, the next run seems to have finished, and so did my local (~pitti) run to test the new branch
[09:30] <Laney> impressive queue size
[09:30] <pitti> Laney: and that's only the s390x mass-retries for perl..
[09:30] <pitti> (I didn't yet do it for the other arches as they are still catching up)
[09:33] <Laney> pitti: Yeah, quite a lot of red on there
[09:33]  * Laney is going through local failures now
[09:34] <Laney> might fire them at a PPA though so others can see (and maybe some will randomly work on launchpad)
[09:35] <davmor2> Laney, pitti: out of interest how long before there are daily iso's for z I assume not too long right?
[09:37] <pitti> davmor2: there's nothing fundamental that would block those; not sure what it takes to switch them on
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-themes (xenial-proposed/main) [14.04+16.04.20160804-0ubuntu1 => 14.04+16.04.20161024-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[12:20] <pitti> Laney: wrt. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#perl, it seems there are two metric tons of packages which need no-change rebuilds or syncs; is anyone working on that?
[12:20] <Laney> pitti: Have you been watching zesty-changes? :-)
[12:21] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/perl5.24.html is getting more green
[12:21] <pitti> Laney: no, I haven't; just looked at some random samples of uninstallability
[12:21] <pitti> Laney: but if you are on it, great, I just wanted to know whether anyone is :)
[12:21] <pitti> transition tracker> nice, so much easier
[12:21] <Laney> soon it will be just the really broken things left
[12:22] <pitti> I'll kill my retries then, not much point in those
[12:22] <apw> Laney, wow, thats improved hugely
[12:22] <Laney> apw: yeh, getting there
[12:23] <Laney> levels 1 and 2 are basically now things that are actual problems
[12:23] <Laney> I think the ones that are all red are removals that Debian did too
[12:23] <apw> and mysql must be about half the rest :/
[12:24] <Laney> (we should probably follow those)
[12:25] <pitti> Laney: want me to go through process-removals?
[12:25] <Laney> pitti: Not sure that tracks testing removals?
[12:25]  * pitti ran it a week before release, I suppose most of the recent stuff since then is legit
[12:25] <pitti> ah no, it's not
[12:25] <Laney> If you find perl things in there though then go for it
[12:25] <Laney> I'll file a bug later or tomorrow
[12:50] <xnox> pitti, Laney: imho we should follow testing removals, with demotions to proposed.
[12:51] <xnox> and an auto-bug filed "block-proposed" for those, to prevent migration straight back.
[12:58] <pitti> Laney: through with process-removals; no perl stuff there
[12:59] <Laney> yeah, not surprised
[12:59] <Laney> thanks for doing a pass anyway
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emacs25 [sync] (zesty-proposed) [25.1+1-1]
[13:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fonts-tiresias [amd64] (zesty-proposed/none) [0.1-3] (no packageset)
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fonts-tiresias [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [0.1-3]
[13:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: emacs25 [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [25.1+1-2] (no packageset)
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: emacs25 [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [25.1+1-2] (no packageset)
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: emacs25 [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/universe) [25.1+1-2] (no packageset)
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: emacs25 [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [25.1+1-2] (no packageset)
[13:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: emacs25 [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [25.1+1-2] (no packageset)
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: emacs25 [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [25.1+1-2] (no packageset)
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fwts [source] (xenial-proposed) [16.03.00-0ubuntu1.1]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected fwts [source] (trusty-proposed) [14.03.01-0ubuntu4]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emacs25 [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [25.1+1-2]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emacs25 [i386] (zesty-proposed) [25.1+1-2]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emacs25 [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [25.1+1-2]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libirman [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.2-0.2~build1]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libirman [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.2-0.2~build1]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libirman [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.2-0.2~build1]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libirman [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.2-0.2~build1]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emacs25 [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [25.1+1-2]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emacs25 [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [25.1+1-2]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libirman [i386] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.2-0.2~build1]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pcp [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [3.11.5]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted emacs25 [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [25.1+1-2]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libirman [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.2-0.2~build1]
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libirman [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.2-0.2~build1]
[14:30] <xnox> bagel/s390x builds "fine" locally. however it runs and ignores test-suite results.
[14:30] <xnox> which appear to get stuck on launchpad. hitting retry, if that gets stuck as well, I shall disable running the test-suite on s390x.
[14:33] <infinity> xnox: Lemme go watch the build in progress.
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fwts (trusty-proposed/universe) [14.03.01-0ubuntu3 => 14.03.01-0ubuntu4] (no packageset)
[16:19] <infinity> xnox: Looks like bagel went fine on the retry.
[16:20] <xnox> hmmm.... bagels
[16:47] <ogra_> bah
[16:47]  * ogra_ looks for food
[17:35] <clivejo> is there anyone I could talk to about accepting new KDE packages for upload?
[17:42] <jbicha> clivejo: if they are brand new packages, it's really better to get them accepted into Debian first
[17:43] <jbicha> otherwise you're asking the Ubuntu archive team members to duplicate the "new package review" that is already being done by the Debian ftp masters team
[17:43] <clivejo> but we'll like to work on them in the time it takes Debian to publish them
[17:44] <clivejo> sgclark: how did you get new packages into Ubuntu in the past?
[17:44] <jbicha> you could try pinging one of the Debian ftp masters…
[17:44] <infinity> (hint: ScottK can do Debian NEW review, and also cares about KDE)
[17:45] <clivejo> Im trying to get kirigami into zesty
[17:45] <clivejo> and will have lot of PIM related packages when we get that far
[17:46] <cyphermox> could someone please reject golang-go.crypto in xenial queue, it's wrong
[17:46] <infinity> Anyhow, it's not impossible to get a NEW package into Ubuntu, you just need someone to sponsor the upload.
[17:46] <infinity> cyphermox: Done.
[17:46] <cyphermox> ta
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected golang-go.crypto [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:0.0~git20161012.0.5f31782-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:47] <clivejo> who can I get to sponsor it?
[17:48] <sgclark> clivejo: I didn't. Had to beg. Try shadeslayer or ScottK
[17:48] <clivejo> its the begging I dont like!
[17:48] <sgclark> well then study up for MOTD :)
[17:49] <sgclark> well then study up for MOTU rather
[17:49] <clivejo> LOL, you first!
[17:50] <sgclark> I probably should. So much to do, so little time.
[17:50] <clivejo> then I can beg you :)
[17:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-image (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.9+16.04ubuntu1 => 0.10+16.04ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[17:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-image (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.9+16.10ubuntu1 => 0.10+16.10ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lxcfs (trusty-backports/universe) [2.0.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1 => 2.0.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1] (no packageset)
[18:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lxc (trusty-backports/main) [2.0.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1 => 2.0.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1] (ubuntu-server)
[18:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lxd (trusty-backports/universe) [2.0.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1 => 2.0.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1] (no packageset)
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxc [source] (trusty-backports) [2.0.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1]
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxd [source] (trusty-backports) [2.0.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1]
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxcfs [source] (trusty-backports) [2.0.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04.1]
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lxd (xenial-backports/main) [2.0.5-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1 => 2.4.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[18:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxd [source] (xenial-backports) [2.4.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[19:12] <slangasek> who could speak to debconf prompting being broken on Ubuntu-GNOME?  jbicha ?  LP: #1605376, LP: #1636597
[19:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1605376 in shim-signed (Ubuntu) "(Ubuntu-GNOME, debconf passthrough) package shim-signed 1.17~15.10.1+0.8-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 128" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605376
[19:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1636597 in shim-signed (Ubuntu) "(Ubuntu-GNOME, debconf passthrough) package shim-signed 1.18~16.04.1+0.8-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 128" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636597
[19:36] <jbicha> slangasek: Ubuntu GNOME shouldn't be doing anything with debconf different than Ubuntu (Unity)
[19:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lightdm (yakkety-proposed/main) [1.19.5-0ubuntu1 => 1.20.0-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[19:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (yakkety-proposed/main) [1:16.10.7 => 1:16.10.8] (core)
[19:40] <slangasek> jbicha: well, that's definitely not the case, because Ubuntu-GNOME users get this error and nobody else does
[19:40] <slangasek> jbicha: aptdaemon? packagekit?
[19:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected lightdm [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1.20.0-0ubuntu2]
[19:41] <jbicha> but Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 uses the exact same update tools as Ubuntu (Unity)
[19:42] <infinity> I was fairly sure libgtk2-perl was required to make debconf popups DTRT, but I note it's not in ubuntu-desktop either...
[19:43] <slangasek> it may be the same tools, but they're clearly wired up differently
[19:43] <infinity> Or does update-manager do its own magic?
[19:43] <slangasek> Ubuntu GNOME users get this error, Ubuntu Desktop users do not
[19:43] <slangasek> infinity: no, update-manager passes through to debconf
[19:44] <infinity> slangasek: Which would then imply that without libgtk2-perl, people are getting text prompts in the little terminal window...
[19:44] <infinity> I think.
[19:44] <slangasek> hmm I have libgtk2-perl installed here, maybe that's why /my/ debconf is broken ;P
[19:45] <jbicha> it feels like a stretch to me to say based on 2 bug reports that there's a major problem with Ubuntu GNOME's debconf…
[19:47] <slangasek> it's not 2 bugs, those are the two I happened to have the numbers to hand for
[19:47] <jbicha> oh ok, well I don't know anything about debconf :(
[19:48] <infinity> I'm having a hard time seeing how this would differ between Ubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME, other than dumb luck.
[19:48] <infinity> And "dumb luck" is never a good engineering strategy.
[19:48] <slangasek> #1605376 #1605977 #1636597; so three bugs ;)
[19:48] <slangasek> (which is 3 out of 16 open bugs)
[19:49] <slangasek> there are also bugs with similar symptoms for Ubuntu Desktop, but only on trusty
[19:49] <infinity> slangasek: Conclusion, all our users reinstalled with GNOME after trusty.
[19:49] <jbicha> lol
[19:50] <jbicha> all 3 of them!
[19:50] <infinity> (Probably not)
[19:52] <infinity> Unrelated: daily ISOs are cronned again and should start hitting the tracker over the next 24h.
[19:52] <infinity> (base is there already, as it was the testcase)
[20:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (xenial-proposed/main) [1:16.04.17 => 1:16.04.18] (core)
[20:25] <santa_> pitti: it's a bit offtopic here but I have the impression I found a bug in autopktest, if you have a minute we could have a brief chat about it
[20:30] <teward> infinity: if there's an nginx in zesty-proposed (held thanks to Perl migration), is there a problem with me putting another package into proposed that has a higher version that includes a fix for a CVE that was fixed by the Security team?  Ahead of the planned merge I'm working on from Debian, that is.  Or should I wait for my 'merge' to be ready for review (after the Perl migration, probably)
[20:54] <slangasek> teward: the perl transition is going to take a while to finish up; if the new nginx merge doesn't bring other dependency issues, that should be ok
[20:54] <slangasek> teward: I mean that merging the new one should be ok
[20:56] <teward> slangasek: the merge is weeks away - the headache of switching from the static-binary builds to dynamic modules *and* a static binary is... treacherous
[20:57] <slangasek> teward: oh, you mean an upload that just adds the security fix. yeah, there's absolutely no reason for you to not do that here
[20:57] <teward> the upload that'd be done now is basically borrowing the changes done by mdeslaur to the Yakkety package and apply that to the Zesty package, until such time it's in debian and get absorbed into the merge.
[20:57] <teward> yeah
[20:57] <teward> slangasek: wanted to make sure it wouldn't torpedo anything
[20:57] <teward> i want that security fix in, not the merge, at this point.
[20:57] <teward> assuming the Security team has no objection.  cc: mdeslaur
[21:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-go.crypto (yakkety-proposed/main) [1:0.0~git20161012.0.5f31782-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:0.0~git20161012.0.5f31782-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[21:33] <xnox> slangasek, can you force boost1.60 & boost1.61 to become valid candidates; such that openmpi doom migrates; and i start boost1.62 transition, please =)
[21:33] <xnox> slangasek, also mongodb 3.2 does not build on armhf, could you please remove mongodb/armhf from zesty-release pocket?
[21:34] <xnox> missing build on armhf: mongodb, mongodb-clients, mongodb-server (from 1:2.6.11-1ubuntu1)
[22:42] <slangasek> xnox: boost1.6x are not the cause of openmpi not being a candidate; but let's look at them anyway.  can you give me details about why the autopkgtest regressions should be overridden?


[00:18] <bkerensa> tgm4883: have you see shumway
[00:18] <bkerensa> ?
[00:18] <bkerensa> kees:  http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/examples/inspector/inspector.html?rfile=../racing/race.swf
[00:18] <bkerensa> Shumway! :D
[01:08] <kees> hah, cool.


[06:57] <Kilos> morning all
[13:22] <squish102> Kilos: was that a t410 with ubuntu?
[13:23] <squish102> i have an old t410 doing nothing, thought maybe worth screwing with
[13:30] <Kilos> yeah works perfect squish102
[13:30] <Kilos> faster than my dual core desktop
[13:31] <Kilos> but not ubuntu , kubuntu
[13:32] <Kilos> i might even try unity on it as well
[13:36] <Kilos> everything works with no need to look for drivers or anything else
[13:45] <Kilos> MaNI  you here
[13:45] <Kilos> now i have something really worth working on
[13:46] <MaNI> yes, but eskom will reap me in the next 15 minutes so better make it quick :p
[13:46] <Kilos> eish
[13:46] <Kilos> you should fing this interesting
[13:46] <Kilos> find
[13:47] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOq9C3YSjKg
[13:47] <Kilos> i dont know who else will understand all that here
[13:48] <Kilos> and google lester hendershot
[13:49] <MaNI> is this one of these free energy crazies? :p
[13:49] <Kilos> everyone can look there if they interested in cheap power
[13:50] <Kilos> he worked all the stuff of teslas designs
[13:50] <Kilos> i am going to try it when i can get the equipment
[13:51] <MaNI> second I see tesla I already get suspicious because I've seen to much crazy lies been spread based on tesla, I'll have a watch though :p
[13:51] <Kilos> very radical idea running stuff with rf
[13:53] <Kilos> teslas ideas only seemed crasy to peeps that couldnt understand
[13:53] <Kilos> or didnt want other peeps to not have cheaper stuff
[13:54] <MaNI> not tesla that seems/seemed crazy, its the other people that are misquoting him now
[13:54] <MaNI> he has become sort of the 'goto name' that people selling crazy ideas like to use for authority
[13:54] <Kilos> well he was inventor of the millenium or something
[13:55] <Kilos> i will try it anyway. when you have seen the movies and what that power does then you should be very interested
[13:56] <Kilos> there are 4 more to follow
[14:05] <MaNI> sort of looks like he has just made a transformer, not sure :p
[15:15] <Squirm> Hi
[15:25] <Kilos> hi
[15:51] <inetpro> good mornings
[15:51] <Kilos> did you have a good sleep inetpro ??
[17:17] <Kilos> hi kulelu88 mazal
[17:17] <mazal> Lo oom
[17:33] <kulelu88> Hello
[18:56] <rusbus> o/
[18:56] <rusbus> o\
[18:59] <MaNL> o|
[19:00] <MaNL> 4 hours load shedding, fun times
[19:09] <kulelu88> MaNI: third-world problems *doh*
[19:20] <MaNI> totally :p
[19:54] <Kilos> o/
[19:56] <squish102> only a couple more 10 years and it will all be fixed up :)
[20:02] <kulelu88> or a trillion rand nuclear program that fails and we all die in 25 years :)
[20:08] <superfly> Hi kulelu88, haven't see you around in a while. Good to have you back.
[20:09] <superfly> Kilos: I see you're famous again
[20:09] <kulelu88> hey superfly thanks :)
[20:09] <Kilos> oh my superfly what happened now
[20:10] <kulelu88> I'm creating a slackbot :D
[20:10] <superfly> You're in the latest Ubuntu weekly news.  Then no one will want to read your blog again.  Kinda. We get days like that in winter. This had been a mild winter. Last winter our garden flooded.
[21:47] <Squirm> superfly: so I've heard
[21:48] <Squirm> Though this winter has been great
[21:48] <Squirm> Had to drive to Woodstock Friday evening.
[21:48] <Squirm> and around
[21:48] <Squirm> Wasn't great :/
[21:49] <superfly> Yes. I was actually in Woodstock on Friday evening too.
[21:51] <Squirm> superfly: and what were you doing down that side? If I may ask?
[21:51] <Squirm> Would be such a coincidence :D
[21:52] <superfly> Squirm: work dinner at the Taproom at Devils Peak Brewery
[21:52] <Squirm> Yeah, no nevermind
[21:52] <Squirm> I almost went there for a beer
[21:54] <superfly> Sorry ;-)
[21:55] <Squirm> Just figured there wouldn't be too many reasons to be out on a Friday night in that weather
[21:55] <Squirm> I best be off. Early start - I really don't like waking up at 8 :/
[21:55] <superfly> Yeah, we were just wrapping up a week of filming.
[21:56] <superfly> Heh. I need to be up at 5:30
[21:56] <Squirm> :D
[21:56] <superfly> Night all
[21:56] <Squirm> I'll let you enjoy that
[21:56] <Squirm> Cheers


[06:43] <ikt> woo
[06:43] <ikt> i might actually make the meeting
[07:28] <jea> ikt: great!
[07:31] <ikt> XD
[07:31] <ikt> it's a bit of a joke for me
[07:31] <ikt> i will see the meeting on
[07:31] <ikt> get ready for it
[07:31] <ikt> and then something inevitably distracts me
[07:32] <ikt> and I race back to find I missed it
[09:02] <ljelly> hi im ljelly this is my first irc chat...
[09:02] <dragon88> Hello, i'm new here too. First time ever on irc
[09:02] <jea> Welcome ljelly
[09:02] <ljelly> for ubuntu.
[09:02] <jea> Welcome dragon88
[09:03] <jea> glad to have you both here
[09:03] <jea> The meeting will start at 8pm AEST - 1hr time
[09:03] <jea> are you both attending?
[09:04] <md_5> its 8pm aest now
[09:04] <ljelly> yes... will the topic be about the ubuntu release party?
[09:04] <dragon88> yeap just in here right
[09:04] <md_5> [20:03] <jea> The meeting will start at 8pm AEST - 1hr time
[09:04] <md_5> Thats 9pm aEST :p
[09:05] <ljelly> cool i was just wondering if someone could give me a link or instructions to setting up irc in empathy?
[09:05] <jea> md_5: AEDST would be 9pm
[09:05] <jea> ljelly: the release party should be discussed
[09:06] <ljelly> if i want to discuss something else can i go to the ubuntu-au-chat? irc?
[09:08] <jea> #ubuntu-au-chat is for off topic chat - non ubuntu related
[09:08] <ljelly> thanks...
[09:09] <jea> ljelly: this might help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/173417/chatting-with-empathy
[09:10] <ljelly> thank you.
[09:32] <bash321> ljelly has now changed to bash321.
[09:33] <bash321> i finally got empathy connected. very good youtube tutorial with ubuntu 10.10... although i am using 13.04 atm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_yvPl152L0
[09:34] <jea> good to hear
[09:39] <jea> jared: I could be slightly late, but not too much
[10:01] <bash321> just checking tonights topic is ubuntu australia release party??
[10:06] <jea> Right, I am back and ready to go
[10:06] <jea> jared: around?
[10:07] <jea> looks like it could be a bit quiet
[10:07] <jea> #startmeeting
[10:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Mar 10 10:07:25 2013 UTC.  The chair is jea. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[10:07] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[10:07] <jea> #meetingtopic Ubuntu-AU March 2013 Team Meeting
[10:08] <jea> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/543/detail/
[10:10] <jea> I welcome everyone to the March 2013 Team Meeting
[10:10] <ikt> :D
[10:10] <bash321> :)
[10:10] <jared> Sorry I"m late :/
[10:10] <jea> Well, we had aimed to do a recap of 2012, and plan out 2013
[10:10] <jea> jared: no problem - i only just opened the meeting
[10:10] <jea> #topic Recap of 2012
[10:10] <jea> I think jared would be able to add to this also
[10:10] <jea> We had a number of meetings last year, only missing a couple
[10:11] <jea> We also held events during the Ubuntu Global Jams
[10:11] <bash321> cool.
[10:11] <jea> and  there were some release parties
[10:12] <jared> Meetings were good, online global jams were good and we had some release parties :)
[10:12] <jea> From memory, we are to be re-evaluated to be an official LoCo team this year
[10:13] <jared> jea: I think so
[10:13] <jea> So we need to ensure we keep up the work to be official again
[10:13] <jared> The main problem we're having issues with reapproval would be real world events.
[10:13] <jea> Unfortunately we have missed some things so far this year, mainly due to people being busy
[10:14] <jea> Holding physical release parties will help out that issue
[10:14] <jea> As would holding another Ubuntu information day as we held last year or the year before
[10:15] <jared> I get the feeling people think that lots of planning and organisation goes into real world meetings, quite the opposite of what usually ends up being required :)
[10:15] <bash321> i think the info day sounds like a good idea...
[10:15] <jea> Yes, that is often the case
[10:15] <jea> bash321: what city are you in?
[10:15] <bash321> sydney.
[10:16] <jea> cool. jpickett is doing a release party there, which we will get to later
[10:16] <bash321> jea: what city are you in?
[10:16] <jea> jared and I are in Brisbane
[10:16] <bash321> k cool.
[10:17] <jea> there used to be quite a few in Brisbane, some in Sydney, some in Melb, a couple in Adelaide
[10:17] <bash321> jpickett: not on irc list atm.
[10:17] <jea> one or two in Perth
[10:17] <jea> no, he left a while ago unfortunately
[10:18] <jea> I will be holding an Ubuntu event at my uni later this year (july/aug)
[10:18] <ikt> Brisbane has been the hot spot for ubuntu release parties
[10:18] <jea> ikt: were you in Brisbane also>?
[10:18] <bash321> k. i have never seen anyone in my area of sydney use ubuntu.
[10:18] <bash321> i have used ubuntu since 2007.
[10:19] <ikt> jea: nah I'm in adelaide, feeling the cold :P
[10:20] <jea> ah, ok. I really must try to remember who is where
[10:20] <bash321> a suggestion about...reapproval have ubuntu au made a g+ community page?
[10:20] <jared> I believe there is on
[10:21] <jea> Not a community page, because that wasn't around at the time. We do have a G+ page though
[10:21] <bash321> should we change it to a community page?
[10:21] <jea> well, no community group, or whatever it is called
[10:21] <jea> That is something we could look into
[10:22] <ikt> yeah def
[10:22] <bash321> im just suggesting as i am a g+ user...
[10:22] <jared> To be honest, I have no idea how social media works
[10:22] <ikt> and google hangouts!
[10:22] <bash321> they are complicated but are lots of fun!
[10:22] <ikt> jared: 21st century called :P
[10:22] <ikt> even linus tovalds is on g+
[10:22] <jared> I've never had time for it, but happy for others to play around :)
[10:23] <jared> Hey, I joined LinkedIn recently at the suggestion of my uni, I'm slowly getting there
[10:23] <bash321> i see a lot of linux users that use g+ as i follow the omgubuntu sites and libreoffice sites.
[10:23] <ikt> lol
[10:23] <jea> ok, here is the community: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/114264208670057246365/communities/107973538671652290332
[10:23] <bash321> linkedin i have to look at... lol.
[10:24] <ikt> i only have facebooks, and I don't use it much
[10:24] <ikt> Join Google+ by creating your public profile
[10:24] <jea> Hangouts have been discussed in the past for meetings, and are certainly something we want to do
[10:24] <ikt> oh gawd
[10:24] <bash321> thanks for the link..
[10:24] <jea> ikt: we have a facebook page and group
[10:24] <bash321> hangouts sometimes have problems with lagging broadband...
[10:24] <jea> the group is used more than the page though
[10:24] <bash321> cool.
[10:25] <ikt> jea: jup, i'm on that one
[10:25] <jea> cool
[10:26] <jea> I think we use social media alright when we have events on
[10:26] <jea> the problem is a lack of events to keep things going
[10:26] <bash321> we should also maybe put a link on the loco page as well r we allowed to do that put social networks on the loco pages?
[10:26] <jea> is that the loco.ubuntu.com page?
[10:26] <bash321> the one for australia?
[10:27] <bash321> this one... http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au
[10:27] <bash321> 2012 i think was a really good year for ubuntu.. the best i have seen...
[10:27] <jea> yes, that is it
[10:27] <jared> I just checked, there is no place for it
[10:27] <jea> We put most of those details on our wiki page
[10:28] <jared> It has Flickr group, PIcasa User ID, Pix.iie User ID and Microblogging hash tag options
[10:28] <jea> and we should put it on the website too (it has not been updated for a while)
[10:28] <bash321> http://ubuntu.org.au/
[10:28] <bash321> ?
[10:29] <jea> yep
[10:30] <jared> I believe the main issue is really not a lot of people have time to do this stuff so happy to get those that are willing to step in  access to make things happen again.
[10:31] <jared> Joel & Joel do a great job but they can't do it alone. ikt is flying the flag on the forums well :)
[10:31] <bash321> time is also an issue for me.
[10:31] <ikt> i really want to get blinkin cat in here
[10:31] <ikt> might msg him now
[10:32] <jea> blinkin cat?
[10:32] <jea> If we all do a small part, we can get it done
[10:33] <ikt> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1392276
[10:34] <ikt> very active user
[10:34] <jea> Ok. I should get back on the forums at some point
[10:35] <ikt> but it's reality that our massive country works against us
[10:35] <jea> yes, that is a key point
[10:35] <ikt> which is why I think doing what the ubuntu guys did with UDS seems a great idea
[10:35] <jared> Yeah if all of us active people were in one city we'd probably be doing well about now :)
[10:35] <bash321> at least its not as big as russia.
[10:35] <ikt> ha
[10:35] <ikt> that's true
[10:36] <ikt> the ubuntu peeps changed UDS from being a 6 monthly physical meeting to a 3 monthly virutal meeting
[10:36] <ikt> from what I have seen it has been a success
[10:36] <bash321> virtual meeting does that require a g+ hangout?
[10:36] <jea> Maybe we could aim for more G+ Hangouts-on-air this year
[10:36] <jea> UDS used hangouts
[10:37] <bash321> will there be a release party in sydney this year??? for 13.04 raring?
[10:37] <jea> Probably from this topic, the outcome is to ensure we keep up with the events, and investigate online events using hangouts
[10:37] <jared> bash321: did you want to organise one? :)
[10:37] <jea> and then we will move to the next topic
[10:38] <jea> #topic Release Parties Ubuntu 13.04
[10:38] <bash321> i saw on  this link:
[10:38] <bash321> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/2208/detail/
[10:38] <jea> Yep, Joel Pickett is organising a Sydney Release Party
[10:38] <jared> bash321: ah there you go, I thought he'd organised one but wasn't sure.
[10:38] <bash321> is he on irc atm?
[10:39] <jea> no
[10:39] <jea> he goes by sagaci or jpickett
[10:39] <bash321> thanks.
[10:39] <bash321> how big are release parties?
[10:39] <jared> He is usually around semi-regularly
[10:39] <jared> bash321: depends, anywhere from 3 - 4 people up to 10 - 15.
[10:40] <jared> They're not grand scale events, just a low key get together for people to share a conversation or three.
[10:40] <jea> Usually Joel has had a good number turn out
[10:40] <bash321> cool.
[10:41] <jea> jared: are you doing anything around Brisbane this time?
[10:41] <bash321> what date is 13.04 raring ringtail released?
[10:41] <jared> jea: honestly between work and uni I don't even know when the release is in my schedule
[10:41] <jared> I'll have a look now
[10:42] <jea> I am much the same
[10:43] <jared> Actually, that seems to work out okay. I'd pretty much be up for the same time/date as Joel's
[10:44] <jea> Ok. If past numbers come again, it should be good
[10:45] <jared> Cool, you up for it?
[10:45] <bash321> raring is released on April 25th.
[10:45] <bash321> 2013.
[10:45] <jea> Potentially could. I will have to see what assignments i have then
[10:46] <jared> My uni finishes the week before and starts up again the week following
[10:47] <jea> looks like the end of week 9 for me (need to double check though)
[10:47] <jea> I think it should be alright
[10:47] <bash321> when is the next ubuntu au irc chat?
[10:48] <jared> bash321: we're always around, just not always at the computer.
[10:48] <jea> the channel is open 24/7
[10:48] <jared> The next meeting is in a month's time, unless someone wants to start dabbling with the hangouts
[10:48] <jea> meetings are always the 2nd sunday of the month, starting at 8pm AEST
[10:48] <bash321> k.
[10:48] <jea> (note, we don't use daylight saving time)
[10:49] <bash321> i know y...
[10:49] <bash321> sydney does..
[10:49] <jea> we decided not to for meeting times to allow SA and WA to have nicer times
[10:49] <bash321> can we create a test event on google plus for the event in sydney?
[10:50] <jea> yep, I can do that
[10:50] <bash321> we should ask Joel first?
[10:50] <jea> He is happy for our events to be put on social media
[10:50] <jared> The more the merrier
[10:50] <jea> W[3~welcome BlinkinCat_
[10:50] <jared> SPeaking of, gday BlinkinCat_
[10:50] <jea> um, oops
[10:50] <BlinkinCat_> Hi all
[10:51] <ikt> heya BlinkinCat_ :)
[10:51] <bash321> how do ubuntu info days work?
[10:52] <ikt> g+ has changed a bit since I was on there last
[10:52] <bash321> i have a thing called computer markets in sydney... on sundays where people sell computer parts..
[10:52] <jared> bash321: essentially it was an idea that we should hold an installation day but then found a lot of people also wanted somewhere to ask support questions about their hardware as well.
[10:53] <bash321> support is always very difficult. i find when i use ubuntu.
[10:53] <bash321> but most of the time it works.
[10:53] <BlinkinCat_> hi ikt
[10:53] <jea> ikt: it certainly has
[10:53] <jared> I am yet to encounter an issue google couldn't answer for me.
[10:54] <bash321> google has a lot of answers.
[10:55] <bash321> back to release parties will there be other release parties around australia?
[10:56] <bash321> apart from sydney?
[10:57] <jared> bash321: sounds like jea and I might set something up for Brisbane
[10:57] <jared> Essentially it's down to the locals in each area. There is no real requirement for them to be considered official loco release parties, all they need to do is let people konw it's happening and when/where and we can publish it to the loco.u.c page
[10:58] <jea> bash321: I think I have created a G+ event now. Would be good to know if you can see it
[10:58] <bash321> cool...
[10:58] <bash321> yes i can see it.
[10:58] <bash321> i have responded as maybe as i am not sure what i am doing in april with uni and work.
[10:58] <jea> great
[11:01] <jared> Hah, apparently 95 people have me in their circle. Gotta love gmail accounts
[11:02] <jea> you should post things more then
[11:02] <bash321> most of my friends are on fb.
[11:02] <jared> I don't actually use G+
[11:02] <bash321> thus thats the problem.
[11:02] <jared> :)
[11:03] <bash321> so i use g+ for following tech and ubuntu stuff.
[11:03] <jea> bash321: you can join our facebook group
[11:04] <jea> Is there anything else to discuss at this meeting?
[11:04] <bash321> thanks.
[11:04] <BlinkinCat_> Sorry I missed it
[11:04] <jea> BlinkinCat_: no problem. Glad you could be here for some of it
[11:05] <jea> #topic Next Meeting
[11:05] <BlinkinCat_> No probs :)
[11:05] <jea> The next meeting will be held in #ubuntu-au on April 14, starting at 8pm AEST
[11:05] <jea> See you all there
[11:05] <jea> #endmeeting
[11:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Mar 10 11:05:49 2013 UTC.
[11:05] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2013/ubuntu-au.2013-03-10-10.07.moin.txt
[11:05] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2013/ubuntu-au.2013-03-10-10.07.html
[11:06] <bash321> i think g+ is a really good idea.
[11:06] <bash321> it has lots of social features.
[11:07] <jea> it is generally set out nicer than facebook
[11:07] <jea> just came along too late
[11:10] <jared> I have to run off to get ready for my lecture tomorrow night, sorry I can't hang around too long.
[11:11] <bash321> just to let everyone know irc chat works well in empathy as expected.
[11:11] <jea> cya jared
[11:11] <jea> bash321: wonderful
[11:12] <bash321> jea: what ubuntu version are you using currently now?
[11:14] <bash321> i will see if i can attend the next irc.. in april.. as sunday is a convenient day.
[11:16] <jea> bash321: um, actually none
[11:16] <bash321> have 2 go and get ready for uni tomorrow. cool irc chat..
[11:17] <jea> i am using 12.04 for a uni subject, which is a nice change
[11:17] <jea> but I haven't been using it much recently due to other stuff I need to do
[11:18] <bash321> cool.. im using 13.04 for uni it is lots of fun..
[11:18] <bash321> one thing i am annoyed about is proxies at uni.
[11:18] <jea> I would like to use ubuntu more
[11:19] <jea> like i used to
[11:19] <bash321> proxy settings and internet connection  dont work perfectly on ubuntu.
[11:19] <jea> hmm, I haven't had issues with proxies
[11:19] <bash321> an issue probably for the forums when i get around to it.
[11:19] <bash321> its not a specific ubuntu problem.
[11:20] <jea> that makes it harder then
[11:24] <bash321> it occurs i think on other gnome 3 distros as well..
[11:25] <jea> it is still worth raising the issue, so it can be investigated
[11:27] <bash321> i will make a forum post hopefully in the near future...
[11:27] <bash321> before next month..
[11:28] <bash321> g2g get ready for uni cya. bye.


[00:03] <mhall119> I'm sure everyone there had a VPN or SSH tunnel
[00:03] <mhall119> I mean, what kind of fool would connect to public wifi provided by a hacker's convention
[00:18] <crashsystems> mhall119: plenty of kinds of fool would use public wifi
[01:10] <pace_t_zulu> i took y'alls topic "Please add agenda items"
[18:19] <maxolasersquad_h> Anyone around to answer a quick networking question.
[18:29] <Deamosseraph> im slightly around..whats up?
[18:39] <maxolasersquad_h> Thanks Deamosseraph.  I found my answer.
[18:39] <maxolasersquad_h> I'm wiring a cat5 jack in my house.  Couldn't remember if I should do A/B, A/A, or B/B.  I'm going with A/A.
[18:40] <Deamosseraph> I usually use 568/B on both
[18:41] <Deamosseraph> it doesnt really matter as long as you use the same on both sides
[18:43] <maxolasersquad_h> Yeah, that's what I couldn't remember.  I'm pretty sure I did my other jacks A/A, so I'm going to continue with that.
[19:42] <maxolasersquad_h> The jack is wired up and working properly.
[19:42] <Deamosseraph> rock on
[19:42] <Deamosseraph> congrats
[19:42] <Deamosseraph> I always hate having to RJ-45 up my cat 5
[21:21] <bluebomber> A very late update on our launch event at USF: http://mnachtig.blog.usf.edu/?p=246
[21:21] <bluebomber> Our Natty launch event*


[05:54] <Squirm> morning
[05:54] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Kilos I say good morning
[05:54] <Maaz> Squirm: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[07:00] <bduk1> More almal
[07:06] <Squirm> morning
[07:11] <Squirm> hey miles
[07:13] <miles> sjoe
[07:13] <miles> hi Squirm  on another old pc here so i can come online
[07:15] <Kilos> flippin uefi stuff makes me sukkel
[07:18] <Kilos> do large dfrives all want windows first?
[07:18] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[07:20] <Kilos> my new install gets to where you enter password then hangs
[07:20] <Kilos> oh just very slow it seems
[07:23] <Kilos> hi StonedAlchemist
[07:24] <StonedAlchemist> Good morning, Kilos
[07:30] <StonedAlchemist> Are you worried about the shellshock bug?
[07:32] <StonedAlchemist> Seems like all everybody is talking about on the webs.
[07:36] <Kilos> im just worried about getting ubuntu onto my new 1TB drive
[07:46] <Kilos> what a mission
[07:54] <StonedAlchemist> Isn't there a partition copier ?
[07:57] <bushtech> Kilos: Are you doing a completely new install on a new drive or are you trying to get an existing installation onto a new drive?
 Kilos: Are you doing a completely new install on a new drive or are you trying to get an existing installation onto a new drive?
[08:15] <Kilos> new install on new 1TB drive
[08:16] <Kilos> but something not happy, had to enable network stack in bios just to see the thing
[08:16] <Kilos> that enabled uefi whatever that might be
[08:16] <Kilos> and i gotta sort piping for water in the lands as well
[08:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:16] <Kilos> another bad head day coming
[08:19] <StonedAlchemist> good luck Kilos
[08:33] <Kilos> ty StonedAlchemist i need it i think, just remembered something about gpt as well
[08:33] <Kilos> i think thats what replaces mbr
[08:40] <Kilos> and when it eventuall boots after 20 mins or more into the fresh install i get 640x480 resoluion only
[08:40] <Kilos> grrrr
[08:40] <Kilos> google gonna have a field day with me
[09:13] <Kilos> morning superfly
[09:24] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:47] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos superfly
[09:47] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[09:53] <superfly> hi theblazehen
[10:48] <Squirm> hey
[10:48] <Squirm> Cape Tonians
[10:49] <Squirm> I'm looking for a house share, need to move in at the end of October. Please let me know if you happen to hear of anything
[10:49] <Squirm> say Claremont - Muizenburg and around to Fish Hoel
[10:49] <Squirm> s/Hoel/Hoek
[11:26] <superfly> Squirm: There are a number of newer houses in Muizenberg area (Capricorn park, Sunrise beach) which are usually fairly cheap
[12:24] <charl> good afternoon
[12:24] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[12:24]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[12:28] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:37] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[12:37] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[12:43] <Joe_knock> Maaz: Hello
[12:43]  * Maaz waves to Joe_knock
[12:43] <Joe_knock> Hi guys.
[12:46] <Squirm> superfly: they look good. I see 2 bedroom places for a good price. problem is I'll need to share
[13:38] <charl> hey Joe_knock, Squirm
[13:39] <Joe_knock> Where you headed? Squirm
[13:49] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock  that fix worked hey
[13:50] <Joe_knock> Kilos: Yes, dankie oom.
[13:50] <Kilos> hi charl  you jinxed me wishing me luck with an install
[13:51] <Kilos> erry is a clever very helpful chick
[13:51] <Kilos> i did nothing
[14:02] <charl> Kilos: it didn't end up going well ?
[14:02] <charl> who's erry?
[14:03] <Kilos> eryy has become errieta, an op at #freenode
[14:03] <Kilos> nope still battling charl
[14:03] <Kilos> installs were slowest every and reboot took like 20 mins
[14:04] <Kilos> im now trying something different
[14:04] <charl> ah :(
[14:04] <Kilos> installed xp the gonna install ubuntu and point grub to sda1 not sda
[14:05] <Kilos> im actually very disappointed in the new drive
[14:06] <Kilos>
[14:06] <Squirm> hey charl
[14:06] <Squirm> Joe_knock: Southern Suburbs
[14:07] <Kilos> Rif i didnt need the space to do data recoveries on my 500g id give it to ian to use on windows
[14:12] <Kilos> sorry that R was meant to be control r not shift r
[14:15] <Kilos> im not sure if its a gpt or mbr drive yet
[14:17] <Joe_knock> Do you guys know where I can pick up a good priced RaspPi in PTA?
[14:28] <superfly> Joe_knock: check rscomponents
[14:28] <superfly> they have a .za branch
[14:29] <bushtech> and they deliver
[14:35] <Joe_knock> superfly: Have you built any devices with the Pi?
[14:50] <charl> hi superfly
[14:50] <superfly> Joe_knock: no, I'm keeping it for one of my sons
[14:50] <superfly> hi charl
[14:52] <charl> Joe_knock: have you looked at any one of the alternatives to the pi ?
[14:53] <Joe_knock> charl: I've spoken to the folks over at the #raspberry room. I don't think an arduino will be able to act as a "server" to render a live-stream from.
[14:53] <charl> things like the beagleboard, udoo, banana pi, hummingboard etc
[14:53] <charl> ah
[14:54] <Joe_knock> charl: Do you have any suggestions for an alternate micro-server to serve live-video feed for?
[14:56] <charl> have you looked at the mikromedia boards? http://www.mikroe.com/mikromedia/
[14:57] <charl> there's also boards like the pcduino http://www.pcduino.com/
[14:58] <Joe_knock> charl: The mikromedia stuff is expensive :O
[14:59] <charl> the cheapest boards start at $99
[14:59] <charl> that's definitely on the higher end
[15:00] <charl> but it's for multimedia applications
[15:01] <Joe_knock> charl: My objective isn't so much for the quality of the feed, it is basically for live-streaming from any quality to able to distinguish what is happening/activity within the cameras view.
[15:01] <charl> ah, no idea how much processing you would need then
[15:02] <charl> raspberry pi is slow but it's still one of the cheap(er) options
[15:03] <Joe_knock> good point there charl. So a Pi will give me a slow feed even via localhost?
[15:04] <charl> i have no idea, you'll have to try and see
[15:04] <charl> my friend had one about a year ago in the office
[15:04] <charl> we tested some stuff but it was very disappointing
[15:05] <Joe_knock> Interesting.
[15:05] <charl> i think he ended up buying a cubieboard instead
[15:05] <Joe_knock> I could instead just make the Pi take a still image when I visit the local site.
[15:05] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubieboard
[15:06] <charl> just try it and see, best thing is to run real world benchmarks
[15:07] <charl> this is also quite cool http://www.nx-box.net/
[15:07] <charl> they also host cubieboards but there is another company that started hosting pi's before them http://raspberrycolocation.com/
[15:08] <charl> there's a huge list of options http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers
[15:09] <Joe_knock> charl: Why do you suggest I get Pi hosting? I'm a bit unclear on that.
[15:10] <charl> Joe_knock: it's probably not what you are looking for, i just found that now by accident while googling
[15:10] <charl> am actually thinking of it for myself though
[15:10] <Joe_knock> aah okay.
[15:10] <charl> ah yes this is what i was looking for: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/
[15:10] <charl> olimex makes amazing stuff
[15:11] <charl> i don't have any experience with them directly but one of my other colleagues was talking about it a while back
[15:13] <Joe_knock> that is amazing! They're more OSS than the Pi.
[15:15] <charl> you see this is a good deal for 65 euro https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB/open-source-hardware
[15:15] <charl> the specs are not bad
[15:15] <charl> that would make a decent home server
[15:15] <charl> i can connect a full hd screen to that thing via hdmi
[15:15] <charl> 100mbps native ethernet with 1gb ram should be enough to play most videos
[15:15] <charl> just stream stuff live across the internet
[15:16] <charl> i'm not sure if the processor is up to it but it looks promising
[15:17] <charl> although, a dual core arm running at 1ghz is not bad
[15:17] <charl> and then you even have a gpu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_(GPU)
[15:20] <charl> yeah interesting stuff... ok need to go take a shower... bbl
[17:30] <Private_User> evening all
[17:30] <Private_User> has anybody read this http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29361794 ?
[17:42] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah it's been all over linux forums and reddit for the past couple of days.
[17:44] <Joe_knock> I think most Nix folks have updated by now
[17:44] <Joe_knock> (I hope...)
[17:45] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah all the knowlegable ones I suppose.
[17:45] <Joe_knock> sheet, I thought my update yesterday fixed it, there was another patch it seems.
[17:45] <StonedAlchemist> But I would think there will be quite a few exploitable boxes somewhere.
[17:46] <Joe_knock> Most likely servers are first targets.
[18:16] <Kilos> evening all. murphy really made himself at home here. new 1TB drive has a bad sector in some important place
[18:16] <Kilos> i dug out my seatools cd and ran tests and it failed
[18:17] <Kilos> no wonder i cant get to install ubuntu on it
[18:20] <Joe_knock> murphy?
[18:21] <gremble> He is out making sure we all follow his law
[18:24] <Joe_knock> oh that murphy
[18:27] <gremble> Haha I dunno, I am probably just talking bollocks
[18:42]  * Kilos hates murphy
[18:42] <Kilos> he even broke my first new hard drive
[18:43] <Kilos> hellooo inetpro
[18:43] <Kilos> and my fly
[18:44] <Kilos> i dont think there will be a warranty replacement prob when its 2 days old hey
[18:48] <gremble> Probably not. Unless you got it from the dodgy guy that sells the Chinese cellphone parts
[18:52] <Kilos> lol no man from importers of pc stuffs
[18:53] <Kilos> luckily i have a seatools cd that could do the tests. one doesnt expect a new drive to be faulty
[18:54] <Kilos> so only after over a days struggling and googling i decided to check the drive
[18:54] <Kilos> what a low blow
[19:11] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:38] <Wraz> Inet pro used to do graphics in #programming  on the old zanet
[19:58] <StonedAlchemist> wow zanet. Now that's a name I havne't heard in a long time. Does it still exists?
[20:08] <Joe_knock> Zanet would be the SA server?
[20:08] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah an old one
[20:09] <StonedAlchemist> It's still there but seems to be dying.
[20:09] <Joe_knock> Dying in SA terms would be like 30 people left on it??
[20:10] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah
[20:11] <StonedAlchemist> It's a shame actually.
[20:12] <Joe_knock> Our tech community is too small and too Windows to care for IRC ;)
[20:15] <StonedAlchemist> Nah I don't think that's the case. There is a fair amount of linux people in SA and we have at least 2 IRC networks of which I know that are doing well namely shadowfire and atrum.
[20:16] <StonedAlchemist> But yeah, compared to the rest of the world we're not doing too great.
[20:17] <StonedAlchemist> A lack of decent science and technology education is greatly to blame here.
[20:17] <StonedAlchemist> Also a lack of everything.
[20:24] <gremble> It is certainly a lack of everything
[20:24] <gremble> :P
[20:25] <gremble> The university only resorts to teach us Linux because setting up proper GCC compiler on windows is a schlep
[20:26] <StonedAlchemist> Everything is a schlep on windows.
[20:27] <gremble> I am trying to find out why this laptop is not booting. BSOD's on startup
[20:27] <gremble> But windows is nice enough not to have verbose logs
[20:28] <gremble> Yay for silent failures
[20:30] <StonedAlchemist> Here at Microsoft we believe that ignorance is bliss. That way we can make your problems even worse for you. :)
[20:30] <gremble> Hahaha
[20:31] <StonedAlchemist> I have to sleep now. Cheers.
[20:33] <gremble> Good night StonedAlchemist
[20:42] <Joe_knock> we're certainly lacking water hmmphh
[20:47] <gremble> I have filled up every container capable of having volume with water
[20:47] <gremble> For that eventuality
[21:03] <Joe_knock> I'm going on 5 days here.
[21:03] <gremble> Oh my
[21:03] <gremble> That sucks
[21:03] <gremble> Our lights were off for five days once
[21:03] <gremble> The Freezer did not smell nice afterward
[21:03] <Joe_knock> Some folks in JHB are going on 10+ days without water.
[21:04] <Joe_knock> Everyone is saying something fishy is going on with Rand Water and co.
[21:04] <Joe_knock> 5 days? Yikes. did you have internet withdrawals? :P
[21:06] <gremble> The entire 2012 I had no internet
[21:06] <gremble> Haha
[21:06] <gremble> 5 days is nothing
[21:06] <gremble> ;P
[21:17] <superfly> Last time I had Windows is bordering on 10 year ago.
[21:17] <superfly> *years
[21:19] <Joe_knock> a whole year without internet :-/
[21:19] <Joe_knock> Maaz: :O
[21:19] <Maaz> Joe_knock: What?
[21:20] <Joe_knock> superfly: From cape town?
[21:27] <gremble> I installed ElementaryOS over my last windows machine wednesday. I never use it and decided to copy all the important files over and kill it
[21:27] <gremble> Unfortunately elementaryOS blows
[21:27] <Joe_knock> are u using pure ubuntu?
[21:28] <gremble> Well, it does not blow. There are some neat stuff about it, but not a fan
[21:28] <gremble> Me?
[21:28] <Joe_knock> yep
[21:28] <gremble> Im actually an Arch noob
[21:28] <gremble> :P
[21:28] <Joe_knock> are you in GP? There was a FOSS event recently. I couldnt make it.
[21:29] <gremble> Ya. Software Freedom Day?
[21:29] <gremble> I was there
[21:30] <Joe_knock> Didnt see any grembles on the meetup page :'D
[21:31] <gremble> Haha Didn't see any Joe-knocks on the facebook event :P
[21:31] <superfly> Joe_knock: yes, I am
[21:31] <Joe_knock> Good to see you here superfly ;)
[21:32] <Joe_knock> facebook :O What is that :O
[21:32] <superfly> I've been around here for a while... probably longer than you...
[21:33] <Joe_knock> Most likely superfly. I only found this place a couple months ago.
[21:34] <superfly> this channel was registered in 2005, and I think I probably joined that year too...
[21:35] <Joe_knock> superfly: What is the state of Python in the employment market?
[21:35] <superfly> depends on where you are and what you're doing, I guess
[21:36] <superfly> My current job and my previous job were both Python positions.
[21:36] <superfly> I know of a couple of companies here in Cape Town that use Python
[21:37] <Joe_knock>  I know of too few here in GP.
[21:38] <superfly> Joe_knock: are you on the GPUG (GTPUG?) mailing list?
[21:38] <Joe_knock> you mean the google group?
[21:38] <superfly> ja
[21:38] <Joe_knock> yep.
[21:39] <superfly> that's probably the best way to find out about Python jobs in your area
[21:40] <Joe_knock> Makes sense. I'm sure there'll be some interesting discussion at PyCon about the community.
[21:41] <superfly> you going?
[21:42] <Joe_knock> I may. I'm not too pleased about how expensive it is.
[21:44] <superfly> *sigh* so much NIH syndrome
[21:45] <Joe_knock> You can't exactly refer to the event as NIH.
[21:46] <superfly> no, I just know the company who originally did the web site, and how they arrived at where they are... and it's all about NIH
[21:46] <superfly> One of the reasons I never went to PyConZA when it was down here... the other being cost, as you mentioned.
[21:47] <Joe_knock> so I'm not the only one who feels R1000 is a bit much?
[21:47] <superfly> it's way over the top, if you ask me... but then again, ScaleConf is the same amount
[21:48] <gremble> Why do you have to pay so much to attend?
[21:48] <superfly> although I've heard that ScaleConf is falling apart since vhata left
[21:48] <superfly> gremble: because the sponsors aren't sponsoring the venue, I think
[21:49] <superfly> it's always the venue that costs a lot. the snacks, refreshments, t-shirts, etc are nothing compared to the venue
[21:49] <Joe_knock> Based on US figures, it is *kinda* cheap: https://us.pycon.org/2014/registration/ . But the US event is much bigger, like WAY bigger.
[21:50] <gremble> Oh. That is unfortunate
[21:50] <gremble> :/
[21:50] <Joe_knock> superfly is definitely on the money for the venue: "the forum │ the campus is situated in a serene environment surrounded by beautiful gardens and courtyards, and is a 5–star venue featuring state-of-the-art technology and impressive examples of South African art and architecture. It's an ideal space for Africans to gather and discuss Python."
[21:51] <gremble> I wouldnt mind attending a conference like that, It could be informative
[21:51] <gremble> Firefox hides options ;/
[21:52] <gremble> I want to change the search engine since AVG is a piece of poop that infects browsers
[21:52] <Joe_knock> gremble: I hope attendance is good, even with the price. If the venue is genuinely the main expense, then the costs should be fair.
[21:53] <Joe_knock> why are you on AVG on *nix? gremble
[21:54] <superfly> Joe_knock: this is what I mean when I say too much NIH. The US PyCon site runs http://eldarion.com/symposion/ as do a bunch others, but the local guys decided they didn't like it so they rolled their own...
[21:54] <gremble> Joe_knock: Im not. I have a windows 'puter infront of me to try and save
[21:54] <superfly> oh...
[21:54] <superfly> gremble: my instinct is to install Linux on it
[21:55] <gremble> Haha As is mine
[21:55] <gremble> But it looks like it has a Broadcom WiFi card
[21:55] <gremble> and it probably has one of those fancy new efi-locked BIOSes
[21:55] <gremble> and I am not going to sit through that nightmare
[21:55] <Joe_knock> superfly: who originally built the pycon site?
[21:56] <superfly> pycon or pyconza ?
[21:56] <Joe_knock> pyconza
[21:56] <superfly> Unomena
[21:57] <Joe_knock> I've never heard of Scaleconf before, let me go check it out.
[22:15] <bushtech> anybody know why I fail to connect to extras.ubuntu.com:http: ?
[22:17] <bushtech> nm. on the umpteenth try it connected
[22:17] <Joe_knock> bushtech: this works = http://extras.ubuntu.com/
[22:17] <bushtech> Joe_knock: : thanks. I just wrote it as it appeared onscreen
[22:18] <Joe_knock> aah
[22:18] <bushtech> prob dodgy update server or my connection
[22:20] <Joe_knock> bushtech: what are you attempting?
[22:21] <bushtech> http://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04/ - doing bits out of this
[22:24] <Joe_knock> i dont see the part you're at.
[22:25] <bushtech> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:linrunner/tlp
[22:26] <bushtech> I think it popped up somewhere in there
[22:29] <Joe_knock> i see you're doing updates on mobile too.
[22:30] <bushtech> It's on a zbox: hoping it will run cooler, etc
[22:34] <Joe_knock> are u running multiple ubuntu boxes?
[22:36] <superfly> ... when your SSH session starts lagging...
[22:36] <bushtech> Joe_knock: 3 but 1 on 1204 and one on Kubuntu 1204
[22:36] <Joe_knock> superfly: Is it possible that a person can not enjoy writing code in a language where it is difficult to understand?
[22:37] <superfly> I don't see why not
[22:37] <Joe_knock> bushtech: I learnt a nifty technique where you can keep the 12.04 boxes updated with a single download.
[22:38] <bushtech> dont see that it will help me but am interested in how it works
[22:38] <Joe_knock> bushtech: even though you have kubuntu and ubuntu 12.04, it will still work (presumably)
[22:39] <superfly> for the most part
[22:40] <bushtech> normally yes but the kubuntu box has got lmce sitting on top of it and that has specific dependancies
[22:40] <Joe_knock> aah, the complexity thickens
[22:40] <bushtech> lol, doen't it allways
[22:41] <superfly> if you  can apt-get it, you can use apt-cacher-ng on it
[22:41] <Joe_knock> im going to have a whirlwind when I eventually get a new machine. 64-bit, 14.04 :'D
[22:44]  * bushtech reading up on apt-cacher
[22:44] <Joe_knock> apt-cacher? I used scp
[22:46] <superfly> I better get to bed, I'm on baby duty tonight
[22:47] <bushtech> good luck superfly
[22:47] <superfly> piece of cake the third time round
[22:48] <bushtech> for your sake i hope so
[23:28] <Wraz> Zanet is still there ? o0
[23:28] <Wraz> Wow did not know I need to go visit my old hangouts there ! :D