[08:21] <chrissturm> pvh: i hope that path is correct, i am using hoary, and there its: ls /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-synaptics
[08:21] <pvh> chrissturm: Yes, I'm also using hoary.
[08:22] <pvh> chrissturm: The laptop support is so much more developed.
[08:22] <chrissturm> ok, then its the xorg one
[08:22] <pvh> chrissturm: Yes, I have it.
[08:22] <HaloGray> hoary uses x.org right?
[08:22] <pvh> chrissturm: Which is not a great sign...
[08:22] <pvh> HaloGray: optionalyl
[08:22] <chrissturm> pvh: yeah, and powermanagement is great
[08:22] <pvh> HaloGray: Or, I should say, by default.
[08:22] <HaloGray> cool
[08:22] <pvh> chrissturm: I had a nightmare of a time getting that set up.
[08:22] <HaloGray> I like x.org more than x86free as of late
[08:22] <pvh> HaloGray: I haven't noticed any difference.
[08:23] <pvh> chrissturm: Okay, so I have it installed. Maybe my xorg.conf is wrong?
[08:23] <chrissturm> pvh: you need to paste some codesnippet into your xorg.conf.
[08:23] <HaloGray> the first thing is that xorg makes all my fonts look prettier... after that there's a lot of subtle things.  It seems to respond faster, it has better transperency
[08:23] <pvh> chrissturm: Would that be in the readme?
[08:23] <pvh> chrissturm: Stupid question, I can probably figure out myself.
[08:24] <chrissturm> Readme.DEBIAN
[08:24] <chrissturm> oops
[08:24] <chrissturm> README.Debian
[08:24] <HaloGray> free had a lot of internal issues and their lead developer jumped over to x.org at which time org seemed to just get better while free continues to stale
[08:24] <pvh> chrissturm: Is there a better idiom than "gunzip -c <file>.gz | less"
[08:24] <HaloGray> maybe they'll pull back ahead... but who knows
[08:24] <Kakalto> anyone have any idea why grub can't find my kernel image when booting, when I haven't changed my boot directory, nor my boot parameters?
[08:24] <chrissturm> pvh: vi file
[08:24] <datadevil> anyone have an idea which font  is used for gnome-terminal in ubuntu?
[08:24] <pvh> chrissturm: haha
[08:24] <chrissturm> try it
[08:24] <Kakalto> nothing to do with installing something
[08:24] <Kakalto> ?
[08:24] <iapx8088> Kakalto, 1)update-grub 2)do you know what does it mean your nick in italiamn?
[08:25] <HaloGray> datadevil: monospace
[08:25] <Kakalto> 1) I just installed it 2) no...
[08:25] <datadevil> HaloGray, is it called monospace? I thought it was something 'sans'-like
[08:25] <chrissturm> have a nice evening/morning, whatever everyone. cu
[08:25] <cuatro> hi huyz, yesterday I upgrated to hoary and the fonts chnaged its look, like fedora 3 aliased, cool, now... today I downloaded the array cd 4, but the fonts looks normally, withou the special 'alias'.. how can I enable the alias for the fonts?? thanks guys :)
[08:25] <Kakalto> iapx8088, plus, it booted fine the first time after I installed grub
[08:25] <iapx8088> 1) update-grub should automagically find everything for you. 2)It means "I shit high"
[08:26] <HaloGray> datadevil: open the terminal, edit > profiles, select default, push edit button and see for yourself :)
[08:26] <cuatro> hi huyz, yesterday I upgrated to hoary and the fonts changed its look, like fedora 3 aliased, cool, now... today I downloaded the array cd 4, but the fonts looks normally, withou the special 'alias'.. how can I enable the alias for the fonts?? thanks guys :)
[08:26] <Kakalto> w00t! I shit high1!!!1!!1one!!!
[08:26] <iapx8088> Kakalto, sorry I can stand your nick makes me laugh
[08:26] <HaloGray> it's monospace 12
[08:26] <iapx8088> this nick is da shit
[08:26] <iapx8088> so
[08:26] <iapx8088> Kakalto, what are you trying to do with grub
[08:26] <datadevil> HaloGray, k..odd then..
[08:26] <Kakalto> make it work
[08:26] <Kakalto> I didn't change anything
[08:27] <HaloGray> what made you think otherwise?
[08:27] <iapx8088> doesn't boot?
[08:27] <cuatro> http://restrex.dotgeel.org/hoary.png    ... toaday my hoary looked thus
[08:27] <Kakalto> it can
[08:27] <iapx8088> so what
[08:27] <Kakalto> oops
[08:27] <cuatro> http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png    ... toaday my hoary looked thus
[08:27] <cuatro> :(
[08:27] <cuatro> hi huyz, yesterday I upgrated to hoary and the fonts changed its look, like fedora 3 aliased, cool, now... today I downloaded the array cd 4, but the fonts looks normally, withou the special 'alias'.. how can I enable the alias for the fonts?? thanks guys :)
[08:27] <Kakalto> *it can't find the kernel boot image
[08:27] <Kakalto> (I accidently pushed enteR)
[08:28] <iapx8088> Kakalto, can follow you, please explain where you pressed enter
[08:28] <Kakalto> when I said "it can"
[08:28] <Shambler> does anybody know, which filters are already implemented in beagle? i've read on the homepage about pdf support, but searching doesn't bring any valuable results
[08:28] <Kakalto> because I meaned to say what I just did
[08:29] <Kakalto> this is probably confusing
[08:29] <datadevil> HaloGray, any idea what the package the font comes from is called ?
[08:29] <HaloGray> nay
[08:29] <iapx8088> Kakalto, if it can't find the kernel image, how did you manage to boot.
[08:29] <iapx8088> have you multiple kernels
[08:29] <Kakalto> I did before, but not now
[08:29] <mebaran151> datadevil, I think it is a font configuration file
[08:29] <Kakalto> it's really strange
[08:29] <cuatro> hi huyz, yesterday I upgrated to hoary and the fonts changed its look, like fedora 3 aliased, cool, now... today I downloaded the array cd 4, but the fonts looks normally, withou the special 'alias'.. how can I enable the alias for the fonts??
[08:29] <mebaran151> like used by fontconfig
[08:29] <randabis> my hoary :)
[08:30] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[08:30] <iapx8088> Kakalto, indeed, if you didn't change anything
[08:30] <mebaran151> I forgot which
[08:30] <Kakalto> iapx8088, I'm in windows now
[08:30] <mebaran151> let me check
[08:30] <iapx8088> Kakalto, soo now it's clear
[08:30] <sig> all the developmental tools don't install?
[08:30] <Kakalto> iapx8088, no, I can't boot
[08:30] <datadevil> mebaran151, heuh?
[08:30] <AndyR> cuatro, whats wrong with the fonts in the sreenshot?
[08:30] <iapx8088> Kakalto, it's fixable, as long as it's still there
[08:30] <AndyR> they look fine to me
[08:31] <iapx8088> if you succeed to recall the right name/path for the kernel, you can press e on the kernelimage label
[08:31] <mebaran151> datadevil
[08:31] <mebaran151> I forgot
[08:31] <iapx8088> and edit everything, than press b to boot
[08:31] <mebaran151> but between Warty and Hoary up to Array 3
[08:31] <mebaran151> they had some file in either home or etc
[08:31] <pvh> HaloGray: You use the synaptics touchpad?
[08:31] <cuatro> AndyR that was yesterday, now I have instaleld the array cd 4 but my fonts are not like that screenshot, I wanna that fonts, and I don't know how to do that :(
[08:31] <mebaran151> that controlled if fonts were aliased or not
[08:31] <mebaran151> try apt-get install xfstt
[08:31] <Kakalto> iapx8088, I'll give it a go
[08:32] <mebaran151> first
[08:32] <Kakalto> seeya
[08:32] <mebaran151> install the x truetype server
[08:32] <iapx8088> mh
[08:32] <iapx8088> mhmh
[08:32] <HaloGray> pvh: Nah, I use a usb mouse
[08:32] <HaloGray> pvh: testing out the touchpad that comes on my dell 8600 seems to work fine though... double click works as a left click
[08:33] <HaloGray> there is no scrolling feature though
[08:33] <HaloGray> so I can't test that
[08:33] <pvh> HaloGray: hmm
[08:33] <HaloGray> I believe it's APS touchpad
[08:33] <datadevil> mebaran151, thanks, i'll bbl
[08:33] <chillywilly> will the automatic updater tell me when anyone make a new package and uploads it?
[08:33] <chillywilly> makes
[08:33] <cuatro> apt-get install xfstt it's on here?? http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png ? mebaran151
[08:33] <chillywilly> if it's something I have installed
[08:33] <pvh> HaloGray: Well, I just made the changes in the README.Debian, and my computer crashed hard on startup.
[08:34] <yrdl> Greetings.  Question!  Install CD hangs just after boot prompt, before language selection etc.  Any tips?  (i386, sager notebook)
[08:34] <AndyR> any UK ubuntu users here?
[08:36] <sirukin> zeedo is an ass-jockey *wink*
[08:37] <cuatro> The newer font subsystem is known as "fontconfig"
[08:37] <cuatro> !!!!
[08:37] <cuatro> :@
[08:37] <mebaran151> how does one configure font config
[08:38] <cuatro> I don't know, I guess here are ubuntu users that know that..
[08:38] <cuatro> :(
[08:38] <apeitheo> How would I enable icons on the desktop?
[08:38] <mebaran151> heh
[08:38] <apeitheo> I think there was something in the configuration editor that allowed me to enable/disable icons but I can't remember since I haven't used Gnome in a while
[08:38] <dueyfinster> I have tryed to use live CD version but it stalls in the middle of loading, any ideas anyone?
[08:39] <iapx8088> dueyfinster, alt f2 open a console and try to see wassup
[08:39] <yrdl> Yes, I am using the install CD rather than the Live CD to install on my notebook.  However, it doesn't get far!  Black screen for ages.
[08:39] <iapx8088> video card problem
[08:39] <iapx8088> anyway
[08:39] <cuatro> yrdl try the boot options
[08:39] <cuatro> :)
[08:39] <iapx8088> I'll sleep
[08:40] <cuatro> good nights iapx8088
[08:40] <dueyfinster> ok, thanks ;-)
[08:41] <yrdl> Will do.  I don't quite know where to begin with the boot options.
[08:41] <TreadingSoftly> Hi folks. I'm running hoary and using OpenOffice.org 1.9.{milestone} deb package off hoary main. But for some reason the fonts in the menus (not the documents) are squashed, and checkboxes reduced to a useless line. Does anyone have any idea what this might be? Don't have this problem in my old OpenOffice, which is still on the machine.
[08:41] <mebaran151> ok
[08:41] <mebaran151> well you can configure fonts
[08:41] <mebaran151> in fontconfig
[08:41] <mebaran151> with dfontmgr
[08:41] <yrdl> I do see the boot menu.  If it is perhaps a video card problem I will winkle with those settings.
[08:42] <hybrid> what is a cvs
[08:42] <cuatro> mebaran151 ok I'm gonna see now
[08:43] <mebaran151> you have to apt-get it first
[08:43] <mebaran151> though
[08:43] <yrdl> A cvs is a versioning archive which allows a set of users to update a set of files concurrently.
[08:43] <cuatro> jejeje
[08:43] <cuatro> yes
[08:43] <cuatro> command not found
[08:43] <cuatro> :P
[08:43] <mebaran151> heheh
[08:43] <hybrid> oo
[08:43] <TreadingSoftly> mebaran151: Not sure if that was addressed to me. But if it was, thanks - but what would i want to change? The fonts work fine within documents. I'm used to fiddling with local.conf and xorg.conf. I've got fonts working fine in old Ooo and firefox ... the problem is limited to Ooo milestone release menus.
[08:45] <mebaran151> TreadingSoftly, did you install the gnome add on for ooffice
[08:46] <TreadingSoftly> mebaran151: I don't know... what package is that?
[08:46] <mebaran151> let me check
[08:46] <dueyfinster> sorry what was that alt+C for the console?
[08:46] <mebaran151> openoffice.org-gtk-gnome
[08:47] <TreadingSoftly> mebaran151: Synaptic says not. Thank you! That could be it... i'll see if it makes any difference :)
[08:47] <mebaran151> try it
[08:47] <mebaran151> it will render all your apps in gtk 2
[08:47] <cuatro> agrgrgrgrg
[08:47] <dueyfinster> sorry what was that alt+C for the console?
[08:47] <mebaran151> so if your gtk 2 apps look pretty
[08:47] <mebaran151> so should the openoffice now
[08:47] <cuatro> now my pc with hoary doesn't want up network
[08:47] <cuatro> :(
[08:48] <lucien> Hey, can someone tell me how to change the repositories in synaptic from warty to hoary ?
[08:48] <mebaran151> cuatro, tell your pc it is being bad and give it a time out
[08:48] <mebaran151> jk
[08:48] <cuatro> I'll have to install warty and then upgrade it to hoary
[08:48] <lucien> Because some say it will solve my sound problem.
[08:48] <dueyfinster> Need Help! was that alt+C for the console?
[08:48] <mebaran151> cuatro
[08:48] <cuatro> yes
[08:48] <cuatro> :(
[08:48] <cuatro> :''(
[08:48] <mebaran151> are you sure all your modules are loaded
[08:48] <cuatro> es
[08:48] <mebaran151> ok
[08:48] <wm_eddie> ctrl+c in a console kills the running process..
[08:49] <cuatro> cause I'll connected it when it terminated the installation
[08:49] <cuatro> :)
[08:49] <cuatro> now, when I robooted it
[08:49] <cuatro> it don't want to ip network :/
[08:49] <cuatro> doesn't :(
[08:49] <mebaran151> upper bar > desktop > administration > networking
[08:49] <dueyfinster> the live cd stalls and I was told to check out the problem it was alt+ something else
[08:49] <mebaran151> tell me what you see under taht
[08:49] <cuatro> mebaran151 ok
[08:50] <mebaran151> cuatro, what see you
[08:50] <mebaran151> under connections
[08:51] <bitfoo> guys how do i mount my usb hard drive properly? i can't seem to assign read permissions to anyone but root :|
[08:51] <mebaran151> you can use pmount
[08:51] <mebaran151> or
[08:51] <BiteMeBilly> dueyfinster: have you tried to boot the live CD to a failsafe?
[08:51] <mebaran151> just mount as root
[08:51] <mebaran151> but append -o user
[08:51] <mebaran151> to the mount command
[08:51] <dueyfinster> nope how do you do that?
[08:51] <mebaran151> os it would
[08:51] <mebaran151> be
[08:51] <mebaran151> mount -t (insert your fstype) (dev) (mount point) -o user
[08:52] <bitfoo> hmm
[08:52] <mebaran151> you have to do that as root
[08:52] <mebaran151> if pmount works
[08:52] <BiteMeBilly> dueyfinster: It's one of the choices when you boot the CD
[08:52] <mebaran151> which sometimes is does
[08:52] <mebaran151> it is cleaner
[08:52] <mebaran151> everything done by the user
[08:52] <mebaran151> pmount (dev)
[08:52] <mebaran151> the mount point is the name of the device in /dev
[08:52] <FAST> agp 4x and agp 8x  are completely different  as far as their slots right ?
[08:52] <cuatro> mebaran151 it was a cable problem xD thanks for help me by the way
[08:52] <cuatro> :P
[08:52] <mebaran151> no problem
[08:52] <miho> hey does somebody wanna help me out?
[08:52] <TreadingSoftly> mebaran151: thanks for the tip, but I'm afraid the menus still look the same.
[08:52] <cuatro> XD
[08:53] <mebaran151> hmmm
[08:53] <mebaran151> TreadingSoftly, what do they look like
[08:53] <mebaran151> just unantialiased
[08:53] <mebaran151> and oogly
[08:53] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:~ $ sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/ -o bitfoo
[08:53] <bitfoo> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[08:53] <bitfoo>        or too many mounted file systems
[08:53] <bitfoo> :(
[08:54] <bitfoo> but it will mount so only root can read it without thej -o flag
[08:54] <bitfoo> and i get the same thing with pmount as well :O
[08:54] <mebaran151> hmmm
[08:54] <mebaran151> oh
[08:54] <mebaran151> not -o bitfoo
[08:54] <mebaran151> -o user
[08:54] <mebaran151> user is literal
[08:54] <bitfoo> ohhhhh
[08:55] <mebaran151> if you want the user to be bitfoo
[08:55] <mebaran151> just og -o user=bitfoo
[08:55] <mebaran151> but -o user works like you expect
[08:55] <bitfoo> hmm that doesnt work either :|
[08:55] <mebaran151> hmmm
[08:56] <mebaran151> worked for me
[08:56] <bitfoo> ive done it before but i cant remember what id id
[08:56] <bitfoo> i think there may have been a umask flag or somethingm?
[08:56] <mebaran151> oh yeah
[08:56] <cuatro> bye mebaran151
[08:56] <mebaran151> OH yeah
[08:56] <mebaran151> I forgot that
[08:56] <mebaran151> cant remember it either
[08:57] <TreadingSoftly> mebaran151: ah .. slight correction: the fonts still looked squashed but I've got checkboxes back sort of. Whereas before I had [vertical line instead of checkbox]  Use OpenGl, now I have [checkbox] se OpenGL - note the missing first letter of "Use". Then when I tell OOo to "Use system font for user interface" (under Options - OpenOffice.org - View), the menu font becomes legible - which is good. Even then, however, checkboxes seem to hide the first
[08:57] <mebaran151> the umask makes sure the permissions work out
[08:57] <mebaran151> TreadingSoftly, hmmm
[08:57] <bitfoo> ah hah!
[08:57] <bitfoo> umask=022
[08:57] <mebaran151> yep
[08:58] <bitfoo> which is 755 in octal
[08:58] <sig> can someone dcc me there /etc/sources.list ?
[08:58] <sig> so I can take a look at the way it is setup before I install ubuntu
[08:58] <mebaran151> hmmm
[08:58] <sig> and I also have another question about how the root account is disabled ?
[08:59] <mebaran151> sig, you cant log in root
[08:59] <sig> bitfoo: can't accept it
[08:59] <mebaran151> you just have sudo
[08:59] <mebaran151> which is more secure
[08:59] <bitfoo> hmm :|
[08:59] <sig> but why?
[08:59] <Dreamer3> i'm getting an error trying to mount swap during my install, any ideas?
[08:59] <mebaran151> sudo -s opens a root shell
[08:59] <sig> bitfoo: can you e-mail it to me
[08:59] <BiteMeBilly> Sig; to protect yourself from yourself.
[08:59] <bitfoo> sig join #flood and i will paste it
[08:59] <mebaran151> sudo allows you more flexibility in allowing su
[08:59] <mebaran151> but for me I dont notice mcuh
[08:59] <hybrid> i wish they made a live cd for ppc
[08:59] <mebaran151> they do
[09:00] <Dreamer3> it's a simply 64mb swap parition on /dev/hda1, but it keeps giving me an error
[09:00] <hybrid> :'( i want hoary
[09:00] <mebaran151> hybrid, the hoary livecd I think is available now
[09:00] <hybrid> for ppc?
[09:00] <hybrid> i couldnt find it
[09:00] <coobra> is there a burning program to ubuntu
[09:00] <mebaran151> nautilus
[09:00] <mebaran151> burns most everything
[09:00] <mebaran151> and after that you have sound-juicer for mp3 to cd
[09:02] <Dreamer3> ok, recreating and letting it format it and it worked (even though it was a pre-existing linux swap) *shrugs*
[09:03] <sig> k3b is sweet for burning
[09:03] <hitu> yes
[09:04] <hitu> k3b \m/
[09:04] <sig> bitfoo: I see your using unstable sources
[09:04] <stuNNed> k3b is the kde suck.
[09:05] <sig> stuNNed: gnome has no equivelent to that burning program to be honest dude.
[09:05] <stuNNed> sig: dudeolios, will soon!
[09:06] <sig> dudeolios?
[09:06] <sig> lol
[09:06] <stuNNed> sig: =)
[09:07] <sig> I hope they will to be honest
[09:07] <stuNNed> sig: i'm sure of it!
[09:07] <sig> I use gnome and have always.
[09:07] <stuNNed> sig: hopefully in hoary stable.
[09:07] <sig> but I do use k3b for burning
[09:07] <sig> thats the only kde app I use.
[09:07] <sig> stuNNed: what program are you talking about?
[09:08] <mebaran151> I find cdrecord at the cli is fine for me
[09:08] <stuNNed> sig: there are a few considerations, check the ubuntu site
[09:08] <mebaran151> but then again
[09:08] <sig> stuNNed: give me a direct link so I don't have to search around
[09:08] <kojack> hey all-i run a athlon CPU-which version of ubuntu should i download
[09:08] <sig> mebaran151: yes cdrecord is  nice, but gui is nice as well when your in the desktop
[09:09] <sig> i386
[09:09] <Mogge> I could use a little help with sound servers.
[09:09] <kojack> thanks sig-what is powerpc all about
[09:10] <sig> mac
[09:10] <kojack> cool
[09:10] <sig>  Coaster (libburn) - GNOME/GTK alternative to K3B  http://www.coaster-burn.org/
[09:10] <Mogge> how they work, how to get programs to work with them...
[09:10] <sig> stuNNed: I see it
[09:10] <Mogge> I'm really clueless.
[09:11] <Mogge> I need to be able to hear beeps from messengers and listen to music at the same time, if you know what I mean.
[09:11] <Sye> hello
[09:15] <mebaran151> Mogge, esd
[09:15] <mebaran151> or even alsa
[09:15] <mebaran151> do that now
[09:15] <mebaran151> esd is Gnome's snd server
[09:16] <Mogge> it blays a little beep
[09:16] <mebaran151> alsa is the driver layer that now can do mixing too
[09:16] <mebaran151> I think
[09:16] <Mogge> yep..
[09:16] <Mogge> but esd is a server
[09:16] <mebaran151> esd is a sound server
[09:16] <Mogge> yep.
[09:16] <mebaran151> all that means is it serves sounds
[09:16] <Mogge> yep.
[09:16] <mebaran151> it is not networky at all
[09:16] <Mogge> no.
[09:16] <Mogge> I realize that. :)
[09:16] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:17] <MobyTurbo> mebaran151, it can serve sounds over a network...
[09:17] <mebaran151> so what is wrong with it
[09:17] <Mogge> let's say I want it to serve me this .mp3
[09:17] <mebaran151> just get out xmms
[09:17] <Mogge> or rather, I want to listen to an .mp3 on xmms
[09:17] <mebaran151> select output to esd
[09:17] <Mogge> hm...
[09:17] <Mogge> wait...
[09:17] <pepperpot> I'm trying to set up hotplug to run jpilot-sync. I got udev to create /dev/pilot, but I can't get the /etc/hotplut/usb/visor script to run
[09:17] <mebaran151> and then just play it
[09:18] <Mogge> mebaran: Where can I select output?
[09:18] <Mogge> output plugins?
[09:18] <Mogge> eSound-output?
[09:19] <Mogge> yay, it works :P
[09:19] <TreadingSoftly> mebaran151:  I've made two screenshots. http://www.webofcontradictions.net/screenshots/usesysfontno.png shows OpenOffice.org with its default squashed font in menus and dialog box. http://www.webofcontradictions.net/screenshots/usesysfontyes.png shows how, even with Use System Font for Interface selected, the checkboxes seem to hide the first character of adjacent text.
[09:20] <Dreamer3> "copying remaining packages to hard disk" what's up with that?
[09:20] <Dreamer3> do they get installed later, not at all, available?
[09:20] <Mogge> mebaran: uh.
[09:21] <TreadingSoftly> Does anyone have any similar experience with OpenOffice.org checkboxes?
[09:21] <Mogge> isn't there supposed to be a program called "esdplay"?
[09:21] <mebaran151> mogge
[09:21] <mebaran151> esdplay
[09:21] <mebaran151> is for a very specific circumstance
[09:21] <HaloGray> does anybody have flashplayer getting proper sound out of hoary?
[09:22] <mebaran151> when your software asks for a command to play sounds
[09:22] <Mogge> yeah
[09:22] <Mogge> I know
[09:22] <mebaran151> most programs like esd and gaim
[09:22] <Mogge> like aMsn
[09:22] <mebaran151> have the support compiled in
[09:22] <mebaran151> oh yeah
[09:22] <Mogge> it's refered to in the manpage for esd
[09:22] <Mogge> but man esdplay gives nothing
[09:22] <Mogge> and neither does simply saying 'esdplay'
[09:23] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:23] <mebaran151> hmmm
[09:23] <mebaran151> aMsn
[09:23] <mebaran151> what type of program is it
[09:23] <mebaran151> maybe we can just use like alsaplayer
[09:23] <Mogge> MSN Messenger
[09:23] <Mogge> yeah sure
[09:23] <mebaran151> why not just use Gaim
[09:23] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[09:23] <Mogge> you can select which program
[09:23] <Dreamer3> guess they will be installed next
[09:23] <Dreamer3> weird
[09:23] <Mogge> you want to youse.
[09:24] <Mogge> ehm... "youse"?
[09:24] <Mogge> o.o
[09:24] <Mogge> mebaran: Let's say I DO want to use aMsn, however...
[09:24] <mebaran151> ok
[09:24] <mebaran151> go to synaptic
[09:24] <Mogge> oh
[09:25] <mebaran151> and select all the alsaplayer packages in sight
[09:25] <Mogge> what's the terminal command for synaptic?
[09:25] <TreadingSoftly> Mogge: synaptic
[09:25] <Mogge> or can I do this through apt-get?
[09:25] <HaloGray> apt-get
[09:25] <mebaran151> or
[09:25] <mebaran151> just apt-get install esound-clients
[09:26] <Mogge> ah
[09:26] <Mogge> great!
[09:26] <mebaran151> there you go
[09:26] <Mogge> yeah, now esdplay *exists*
[09:27] <Mogge> let's try it out :-)
[09:27] <mebaran151> I think you might need like %q
[09:27] <mebaran151> but I am unsure
[09:27] <mebaran151> manpage if you runinto trouble
[09:28] <Mogge> worked really well :)
[09:28] <mebaran151> cool
[09:28] <mebaran151> Anyone do any midi stuff
[09:29] <mebaran151> I need to load a midi sf2
[09:29] <mebaran151> on my Audigy
[09:29] <mebaran151> I modprobed snd-emux-synth
[09:29] <mebaran151> and installed the awesfx packages
[09:29] <mebaran151> but it complains it cant find an hwdep device
[09:30] <Mogge> now
[09:30] <Mogge> how do I make esd start automatically?
[09:30] <Mogge> are there any init.d-scripts or something?
[09:30] <coobra> Mogge:  hej hej
[09:30] <mebaran151> I think it normally does
[09:30] <mebaran151> automagically with gnome
[09:30] <bitfoo> anyone know how to change the default media player in firefox
[09:30] <Mogge> coobra: tja.
[09:31] <Mogge> mebaran: Weird.
[09:31] <Mogge> mebaran: Hadn't started until I started it :$
[09:31] <topyli> Mogge: see computer -> desktop prefs -> sound, tick "start sound server at startup"
[09:31] <Mogge> hm
[09:32] <Mogge> argh
[09:32] <kent> Am i the only one who cant find out how to write covers to dvd's in Linux?  I just cant find a program that lets me do it :(
[09:32] <Mogge> don't make me start gnome-panel :)
[09:32] <Mogge> but then there must be something I can put in .xinitrc, right?
[09:32] <topyli> Mogge: gnome-sound-properties
[09:32] <Mogge> topyli: isn't that just for gnome, though?
[09:32] <topyli> Mogge: do you use gnome in the first place?
[09:32] <Mogge> nahg
[09:32] <Mogge> openbox
[09:32] <topyli> ah
[09:33] <topyli> and how do you start openbox?
[09:33] <bitfoo> covers?
[09:33] <bitfoo> like case covers?
[09:33] <randabis> I guess you could make a script to do it
[09:33] <randabis> to start esd you just have to type esd
[09:34] <Mogge> ofcourse :D
[09:34] <topyli> Mogge: if you use startx, ~/.xinitrc should be the one. with xdm it's .xsession. i'm not sure if gdm respects that
[09:35] <bitfoo> what do the arrays mean for hoary?
[09:35] <Mogge> topyli: yeah, already done.
[09:35] <bitfoo> is it distributed?
[09:35] <Dreamer3> df
[09:35] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[09:35] <Dreamer3> how much space does warty take up fully installed?
[09:35] <Dreamer3> i only have a 2g drive
[09:35] <TreadingSoftly> kent: what do you mean by writing covers to dvds?
[09:36] <Zomb> hi
[09:36] <HaloGray> hi Zomb
[09:36] <Zomb> what is the fastest and most reliable way to detect Ubuntu?
[09:37] <Zomb> read: see that it is Ubuntu and not Debian
[09:37] <pussfeller> /dev/hda1             5.7G  1.9G  3.6G  35% /
[09:37] <HaloGray> ... I don't understand the question
[09:37] <topyli> Dreamer3: might just fit there, but doesn't leave too much for data
[09:37] <kojack> lol
[09:37] <bitfoo> umm...http header?
[09:37] <HaloGray> detect ubuntu?
[09:37] <kent> TreadingSoftly, well.. My brother wants to be able to print covers for the DVDs that he has burnt. Do you understand me?
[09:37] <pussfeller> just under 2 gigs with a few extra things installed
[09:37] <topyli> Zomb: cat /etc/lsb-release
[09:38] <hypn0> Zomb: the three half naked people on login screen :-D
[09:38] <Zomb> oh jeez
[09:38] <bitfoo> i have no naked people? :D
[09:38] <Zomb> any developers around?
[09:38] <Dreamer3> topyli: hmmmmm
[09:39] <Dreamer3> topyli: well, this is just a test box, but i'll be annoyed if it can't even instal... because it copied 397mb of debs to the HD it could be accessing off of CD
[09:39] <pussfeller> might be some locale stuff you get jettison to free up space
[09:40] <pussfeller> i had alot more free space when it first installed, so you will be fine to get started
[09:40] <LucidVisions> developers of what,,linux in genral or just ubuntu?
[09:40] <topyli> Dreamer3: it's an option, you don't have to copy them there
[09:40] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: apt-get install ubunut-calendar
[09:40] <Dreamer3> topyli: oh, i was never prompted
[09:40] <bitfoo> what?
[09:40] <Dreamer3> topyli: do you have to run expert to be asked?
[09:40] <Dreamer3> topyli: it copied them over and is installing them from the HD, you're saying that's optional?
[09:41] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: you asked where the naked people were
[09:41] <topyli> Dreamer3: it optionally copies them there so you don't have to use the cd when you install extra stuff
[09:41] <Dreamer3> topyli: where was i supposed to be asked?
[09:42] <topyli> Dreamer3: i think so. but i've done both kinds of installs, so i'm not swearing about the "normal" install
[09:42] <Dreamer3> topyli: i don't think you get an optionin normal... i wasn't even asked how to configure the bootloader in normal mode
[09:42] <chillywilly> bah
[09:42] <chillywilly> my gnome froze up
[09:43] <chillywilly> then I restarted and now it will not load the nvidia kernel module
[09:43] <topyli> Dreamer3: since you're short on space, i'd do a minimal install anyway and add stuff. the debian way
[09:43] <pussfeller> i wish they would use random numbers for uids to make nfs things easier
[09:43] <eskilo> how do i remove a package from the system install without removing the local install version of it?
[09:43] <eskilo> like say i had some library in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib, and wanted to keep the /usr/local/lib version.
[09:43] <Dreamer3> topyli: except i'm wanting to try the full ubunut, so i'll just hope it works
[09:44] <Dreamer3> topyli: i suppose i could delete all the debs from /var/cache/apt... but i don't know what the install would do then :)
[09:44] <chillywilly> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[09:44] <chillywilly> (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
[09:44] <chillywilly> X will not come back up now
[09:45] <Dreamer3> how can you scroll the linux console?
[09:45] <ewhitten> chillywilly:  is the module already loaded?
[09:45] <topyli> Dreamer3: try the expert install, it'll ask for your opinion a lot more often :)
[09:45] <ewhitten> Dreamer3:  shift or ctrl + page up
[09:45] <topyli> shift
[09:45] <chillywilly> ewhitten: I was just running fine and then things locked up and now I cannot bring X back up
[09:45] <chillywilly> I manually reset the box with the reset switch
[09:45] <ewhitten> topyli:  thanks.  I just do it automatically nowadays.
[09:46] <chillywilly> maybe the driver is fsked up?
[09:46] <chillywilly> corrupted
[09:46] <Coily> i read on some outdated linux faq that changing the size of a swap partition would mean formatting the entire drive, im assuming this isnt true
[09:46] <chillywilly> which package would it be in?
[09:46] <chillywilly> I can try reinstalling it
[09:46] <ewhitten> chillywilly:  shouldn't happen.  Have you rebooted since you installed the nvidia module.
[09:46] <pepperpot> anyone good with bash? How do I pipe stderr from a script to, say, email me the errors?
[09:46] <Dreamer3> ewhitten: except it only goes up one screen, how useless :)
[09:46] <ewhitten> crap.  I gotta run.
[09:46] <Dreamer3> topyli: is it true that ubuntu-desktop pulls in ALL the dfault install?
[09:47] <chillywilly> ewhitten: no but I restarted X and got the nvidia splash screen
[09:47] <shawn> pepperpot:   shellcommand|mail -s 'Subject'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:47] <chillywilly> ewhitten: so I was under the impression that it worked
[09:47] <Coily> anyone?
[09:47] <ewhitten> shawn / pepperpot:  but just stderr would be 2> or with the `tee` command.
[09:47] <pepperpot> shawn, but that's only stdin, not stderr, right?
[09:47] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  shawn's suggestion was stdout, actually.
[09:47] <martyr> Coily: this is bullshit
[09:48] <pepperpot> ewhitten, stdout but not stderr? or both?
[09:48] <chillywilly> ewhitten: just manually inserted the module now
[09:48] <shawn> pepperpot : right... so cmd 2>&1 1>/dev/null
[09:48] <martyr> Coily: and it was never true
[09:48] <topyli> Dreamer3: i guess
[09:48] <Coily> i see
[09:48] <BiteMeBilly> Dumb question of the day!  How do I make a non color printer stop trying to print color?
[09:48] <pepperpot> shawn, or in my case cmd 2>&1 1|mail -s result me ?
[09:48] <chillywilly> ewhitten: nm, that worked
[09:48] <martyr> Coily: just resize it as you desire.. as long as you don't kill any other partitions you'll be ok
[09:48] <Dreamer3> topyli: :)
[09:49] <Coily> 1 gig swap partition coming up :p
[09:49] <R0bnyc> Everyone using Array 4 ? (Latest Hoary)
[09:49] <chillywilly> ewhitten: don't you guys use discover or something that will do some hardware detection and load modules?
[09:49] <martyr> BiteMeBilly: install appropriate drivers...
[09:49] <chillywilly> ewhitten: do I have to manually add nvidia to /etc/modules like on debian sid?
[09:49] <pepperpot> Okay great! Works.
[09:50] <BiteMeBilly> martyr: Ubuntu seemed to have the drivers for my HP LaserJet 5 but it's sending the color to it.
[09:50] <pepperpot> Now how do I get my hotplug script to wait for the symlinks to be up before running?
[09:50] <pepperpot> Sleep 3?
[09:50] <pepperpot> or is there a better way to wait for /dev/pilot to exist?
[09:50] <Dreamer3> topyli: i checked in aptitude, it seems that way
[09:50] <Dreamer3> topyli: so if i'd done a minimal install i could have apt-get ubuntu-desktop from the CDs
[09:51] <Dreamer3> oh well, live and learn, eh?
[09:51] <topyli> Dreamer3: i think you'll end up with the same stuff then
[09:51] <chillywilly> anyone know what the proper thing to do to get certain kernel modules to load on boot up for Ubuntu would be?
[09:52] <topyli> Dreamer3: as a plus, you could take the cd out of sources.list and just install the updated packages from the net
[09:52] <topyli> before installing ubuntu-desktop
[09:55] <Dreamer3> topyli: dial-up... installing from net= bad
[09:55] <topyli> ah
[09:56] <chillywilly> nah, you just leave the computer run overnight ;)
[09:56] <chillywilly> that's what we used to do in the old days ;)
[09:56] <topyli> depends on how they bill you (by the minute or by the month)
[09:57] <Sav> I have event sounds in ubuntu, but when i try to play a mp3/xvid/mpg etc in VLC i have no sound at all, any ideas?
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> chillywilly: stick them in /etc/modules
[09:57] <chillywilly> topyli: well yea...some telcos are bastards
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> Sav: either use esd output on vlc
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> or killall esd
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> and then run vlc
[09:57] <chillywilly> HrdwrBoB: bah, yea of course one can do that but I though Ubuntu would be more user friendly than that ;)
[09:57] <Sav> HrdwrBoB, how do i change to esd in vlc?
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> chillywilly: well, hotplug should detect all your stuff
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> Sav: sorry I don't know, dont' use vlc
[09:58] <Xappe> think you'll need an addition package
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> Sav: give me a tic
[09:58] <chillywilly> it didn't load the nvidia driver
[09:58] <Xappe> *additional
[09:58] <topyli> yahzee is a very challenging strategy game
[09:58] <Xappe> Sav, something like vlc-esd
[09:58] <chillywilly> nvidia_agp was loaded though
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> Sav: vlc-plugin-esd
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get or synaptic that package-
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> then go to preferences, audio out plugin
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> chillywilly: that's just the AGP driver
[10:00] <chillywilly> HrdwrBoB: I know that
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> chillywilly: if you want the nvidia driver install nvidia-glx
[10:00] <Sav> HrdwrBoB, works now, thnx
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> np Sav
[10:00] <chillywilly> HrdwrBoB: I already have it working
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> ok cool
[10:00] <chillywilly> HrdwrBoB: the problem was on reboot it did not know enough to load it again
[10:01] <HrdwrBoB> hrm it should load it automagically
[10:01] <chillywilly> HrdwrBoB: I thought it would be smarter than that ;)
[10:01] <HrdwrBoB> if not on boot, on X load
[10:01] <HrdwrBoB> ok bbl, breakfast
[10:01] <chillywilly> HrdwrBoB: I had to modprobe it in
[10:02] <chillywilly> I would think that if you configured X to use the nvidia driver it would load the kernel module too
[10:02] <HaloGray> Ok, for anybody else having issues with flash and various other sound problems in hoary, check out this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2743&page=1&pp=10
[10:02] <Sav> HrdwrBoB, one more thing, how can i fix so i can play 2 soundsources at once? when vlc is playing mp3 i can hear the eventsounds in ubuntu
[10:02] <CreeVal> Anyone who can help me with automounting an NTFS volume? Ive added the line found on www.ubuntuguide.org , but when booting it says that special device /dev/sda1 does not excist... Wich it does because i can mount it when i enter gnome desktop... Any ideas?
[10:03] <dueyfinster> I am trying to install ubuntu (warthy), but it asks for cd drivers,  on a floppy, but my pc doesnt have floppy drives. Any Ideas?  Ive added the line found on www.ubuntuguide.org , but when booting it says that special device /dev/sda1 does not excist... Wich it does because i can mount it when i enter gnome desktop... Any ideas?
[10:05] <dueyfinster> I am trying to install ubuntu (warthy), but it asks for cd drivers,  on a floppy, but my pc doesnt have floppy drives. Any Ideas? Help Much Appreiciated!
[10:06] <syn-ack> CreeVal: Yeah, like Im sure the manual on line states, do you have a SCSI device installed?
[10:06] <CreeVal> Yeah its a SATA drive...
[10:06] <syn-ack> are the sATA drivers installed, CreeVal
[10:07] <CreeVal> Yes... Because i can mount it in gnome desktop... But not "premount" it...
[10:07] <hitu> anyone knows of a program to stream webcams ?
[10:07] <syn-ack> So you are having issues with /etc/fstab
[10:08] <CreeVal> Yeah...
[10:08] <syn-ack> Whats the line?
[10:08] <CreeVal> 2 seck
[10:08] <CreeVal> sec*
[10:08] <CreeVal> syn-ack: this is the line i currently use: /dev/sda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[10:09] <netmonk> can anyone if hoary works ok on a notebook?
[10:09] <netmonk> can anyone tell me if hoary works ok on a notebook?
[10:09] <netmonk> ;)
[10:09] <HrdwrBoB> netmonk: wfm
[10:10] <netmonk> HrdwrBoB, ???
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> works for me
[10:10] <TreadingSoftly> netmonk: hi, i'm running Ubuntu hoary on a Thinkpad T40. Works okay.
[10:10] <Sav> how come i cant see other users typing with bold text, i can only see my own bold lines. Any ideas? using X-Chat
[10:10] <HaloGray> hoary works better than warty did on my dell
[10:11] <HaloGray> it extended the centrino lifetime to 4 hours instead of 1
[10:11] <dolphy> i installed ubuntu on a very old laptop and managed to do an apt-get -u dist-upgrade on it but now it's not booting anymore
[10:11] <HaloGray> 4 hours is what windows gets as well :)
[10:11] <netmonk> wow, that's great to hear
[10:11] <dolphy> it reports : Kernel Panic : Attempted to kill init (because /dev/console could not be opened)
[10:11] <dolphy> any clue what i could try ?
[10:11] <syn-ack> CreeVal: try this: /dev/sda1                    /mnt/win2k              ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[10:11] <netmonk> I'm on toshiba and I'm just upgrading to hoary
[10:12] <CreeVal> syn-ack: will do...
[10:12] <Sav> HrdwrBoB, did u see my question about 2 sound sources?
[10:13] <CreeVal> syn-ack: rebooting now...
[10:14] <hitu> guess nobody knows of a cam server that will work :[
[10:14] <hitu> cause i tried Gyach
[10:14] <hitu> i can just view cams .. i cant uplaod
[10:14] <hitu> upload*
[10:15] <julio> i think you can send with AYTTM.
[10:15] <threshold> does anyone know of any mISDN fixes in hoary? (kernel 2.6.10)?
[10:16] <CreeVal> syn-ack: Didn't work, but thx for trying ;)
[10:16] <syn-ack> CreeVal: I took that straight from the docs. theres something else wrong then
[10:16] <CreeVal> syn-ack: most likely yes
[10:17] <syn-ack> CreeVal: as root, fdisk -l
[10:17] <syn-ack> and see what the partitions are
[10:17] <BiteMeBilly> dueyfinster: What are you installing on?  Seems it's not being very friendly with you.
[10:17] <julio> hitu, try ayttm.
[10:17] <bruce_> does any one from you use amule?
[10:17] <hitu> k
[10:17] <julio> you can send webcam images w/yahoo
[10:17] <jcurry> How can i make firefox print through cups, not just a .ps file? all the other apps (gedit, OOo) can print, but not firefox...what to do?
[10:18] <CreeVal> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24792 cylinders
[10:18] <CreeVal> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[10:18] <CreeVal>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:18] <CreeVal> /dev/hda1   *           1       24792   199141708+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[10:18] <CreeVal> Disk /dev/hdb: 122.9 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>36 bytes
[10:18] <CreeVal> 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 238216 cylinders
[10:18] <kengur> how do i remove an applet from gnome pannel if it doesn't have menu options?
[10:18] <hitu> niceness :D
[10:18] <hitu> thanks
[10:18] <CreeVal> Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes
[10:18] <CreeVal>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:18] <CreeVal> /dev/hdb1               1      238216   120060832+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[10:18] <CreeVal> /dev/hdb5   *           1      234259   118066473   83  Linux
[10:18] <CreeVal> /dev/hdb6          234260      238216     1994296+  83  Linux
[10:18] <CreeVal> Disk /dev/sda: 300.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>48 bytes
[10:18] <CreeVal> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 36483 cylinders
[10:18] <Cloudchaser> hmm anyone got poker sites working in linux?
[10:18] <CreeVal> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[10:18] <CreeVal>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:18] <CreeVal> /dev/sda1   *           1       36483   293049666    7  HPFS/NTFS
[10:18] <Cloudchaser> my husband wants me to play poker with him
[10:18] <hitu> kengur: right click on the applet and select REMOVE
[10:18] <pepperpot> Does udev wait for hotplug to finish its scripts before adding symlinks?
[10:18] <hitu> :P that easy
[10:18] <julio> CreeVal. next time put that in the #flood channel.
[10:18] <julio> please
[10:18] <CreeVal> wtf?
[10:18] <hitu> CreeVal: use paste bin :P stop the flooding
[10:19] <kengur> hitu: "if it doesn't have menu options"
[10:19] <Cloudchaser> they all have windows .exe files to download..i'll try cedega and see if it works with that
[10:19] <CreeVal> sorry peeps
[10:19] <jcurry> How can i make firefox print through cups, not just a .ps file? all the other apps (gedit, OOo) can print, but not firefox...what to do?
[10:19] <Mogge> oh.
[10:19] <CreeVal> really sorry for the flooding...
[10:19] <Mogge> I hate it when someone you know really wants you to do something. and then you can't because of Linux.
[10:19] <julio> go to the #flood channel to paste.
[10:19] <hitu> kengur: uhh umm not much of a gnome user .. but there'e somethin inthe control panel to edit the menu
[10:19] <Mogge> usually something software-specific, ofcourse.
[10:19] <Mogge> worst scenario EVER.
[10:19] <julio> Like what Mogge?
[10:20] <Mogge> like Cloudchasers dilemma.
[10:20] <CreeVal> ok
[10:20] <julio> CloudchaserS?
[10:20] <hitu> eh Mogge
[10:20] <hitu> lmao
[10:20] <jnk> jcurry, if cups is configured I guess you can print with the command lp or lpr in firefox
[10:21] <jcurry> jnk, what would the command be, specifically? i'm not familiar with lp(r)
[10:21] <pepperpot> Mogge, I love it when someone you know really want you to do something you don't want to do, and then you can't because of Linux. Best scenario EVAR.
[10:21] <Mogge> hehe
[10:21] <Mogge> that's true
[10:21] <Mogge> like playing those silly games over msn
[10:21] <julio> Oh, those.
[10:21] <pepperpot> yeah, or run some .exe "ecard"
[10:21] <julio> Well that's Microsoft's fault.
[10:21] <hitu> games on MSN ? :S
[10:22] <Mogge> msn messenger
[10:22] <bitfoo> anyone know why menus and text in flash don't show up for me in firefox ;X
[10:22] <kent> Mogge, though sometimes it's a bit frustrating when some one wants you to watch them on the webcamera with msn, and you realy cant :(
[10:23] <hitu> oh bleh dunno not been on Microsoft products since Nov,2004
[10:23] <hitu> :[
[10:23] <Mogge> yes! :(
[10:23] <jnk> jcurry, I juste use "lp filename.ps" to print a file to the default printer. If this works for you from the terminal (with a .ps file created by firefox) then you can try to write just "lp" as the print command in firefox
[10:23] <Mogge> like a really hot chi... oh yeah, that's gonna happen.
[10:23] <julio> kent, you can with AYTTm
[10:23] <jcurry> jnk, ok, thanks, i'll try it...
[10:24] <Twiggy> Hey I just installed onto my PC and it hangs on the loading Grub screen after I reboot, anybody know how to fix this?
[10:24] <CreeVal> his*
[10:25] <threshold> Twiggy: which ubuntu did you install?
[10:25] <Twiggy> thread:  I used a Warty CD
[10:25] <Twiggy> Errr
[10:25] <Twiggy> sorry, threshold :oD
[10:26] <threshold> Twiggy: what arch are you using?
[10:26] <Twiggy> x86
[10:26] <threshold> i don't know... i know that the amd64 hoary just got fixed :)
[10:27] <johns_> Twiggy: sometimes it's conflict between what die bios says and wat grub sees
[10:27] <Twiggy> Is there a way to pass boot parameters before it's completely installed?
[10:27] <Twiggy> johns_:  How so
[10:27] <johns_> dunno, i've had a lot of problems with ubuntu AND debian on some systems
[10:27] <Twiggy> I've had ACPI issues with 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 kernels on a number of distros _and_ from scratch kernels, so I'm assuming that's probably the issue
[10:28] <johns_> setting them to lba in the bios solved it in most cases
[10:28] <Twiggy> Setting what to lba
[10:28] <johns_> the drive params in the bios setup
[10:28] <johns_> or auto
[10:28] <Twiggy> Hopefully I can do that ;oD
[10:28] <johns_> ofcourse you can
[10:29] <topyli> Twiggy: don't curse thy bios. it's vital to you :)
[10:29] <mike998> not in public, buddy
[10:29] <Twiggy> Hehe
[10:30] <johns_> I like the 'hit del for setup' message
[10:30] <johns_> a 'del' is a 'slut' in dutch ;)
[10:30] <Twiggy> johns_:  LBA is marked as supported
[10:30] <johns_> in general setup
[10:30] <johns_> ?
[10:30] <Twiggy> johns_:  I'm in the config for my hda
[10:30] <johns_> that's mode yes?
[10:31] <johns_> lba or auto
[10:31] <Twiggy> lba mode
[10:31] <johns_> should work
[10:31] <Elsidox>  help can someone help me I just upgraded to hoary and everything works great. I installed cedega and im trying to install starcraft but its not working.
[10:31] <johns_> any s-ata drives in your system?
[10:31] <johns_> aor s-ata capable?
[10:31] <Twiggy> nope
[10:31] <johns_> hm. one disk? two?
[10:31] <Twiggy> 2 IDe's
[10:31] <Twiggy> IDe drives, oboth on the same chain
[10:32] <Twiggy> Then there's the separate chain
[10:32] <johns_> a master and a slave, should work
[10:32] <johns_> you could let you bios autodetect your hard drives again
[10:33] <Twiggy> Yeah that's what I'm trying
[10:33] <Twiggy> My mobo has SATA, but I'm not using any dev's, my bad
[10:33] <altan> okay, gnome system monitor HAS to be reporting memory usage incorrectly - there's no way zinf takes 111MB playing a single MP3 file or rhythmbox takes 70MB
[10:33] <Twiggy> johns_:  Could that be something?
[10:33] <johns_> Twiggy: yes
[10:34] <johns_> i noticed that ubuntu (or any linux) sees the ide drivers as hde and hdf
[10:34] <Twiggy> johns_:  I'm seing an ATA/IDE config, it's set to enhanced: all SATA and PATA resources enabled
[10:34] <Mogge> hm
[10:34] <Twiggy> Hmmmm
[10:34] <Mogge> how about xmms-midi
[10:34] <johns_> try to disable the sata for now
[10:34] <Twiggy> k
[10:34] <Mogge> anyone's got that to work right?
[10:35] <Twiggy> johns_:  Should I reinstall with these new settings?
[10:35] <johns_> reinstall?
[10:35] <johns_> no
[10:35] <Twiggy> Hrm
[10:35] <Twiggy> Still no go
[10:35] <johns_> just hangs?
[10:35] <Twiggy> yeah
[10:35] <johns_> weird
[10:36] <hitu> julio: ayttm is installed
[10:36] <hitu> but umm its not streaming
[10:36] <johns_> the bootloder installation on debian based systems suck
[10:36] <hitu> i mean i get the request on other id
[10:36] <hitu> but it doesn stream .. it just says connected and stuff
[10:37] <johns_> Twiggy: do you get the grub loader screen or does it hang before that?
[10:37] <Twiggy> Just before that
[10:37] <Twiggy> Loading Grub 1.5...
[10:37] <Twiggy> And it sits there
[10:37] <johns_> ah, well, you need to get into your system
[10:38] <johns_> with a boot cd
[10:38] <johns_> or rescue cd
[10:38] <Twiggy> Change the boot params that way/
[10:38] <Twiggy> ?
[10:39] <johns_> mount your drives, chroot to that mountpoint and reinstall grub
[10:39] <eskilo> is there a way to increase the resolution in grub?
[10:39] <eskilo> so it doesn't look all ghetto.
[10:39] <johns_> grub-install /dev/hda i should think
[10:39] <pepperpot> grub looks ghetto??
[10:39] <pepperpot> grub is just keepin it real
[10:40] <eskilo> when it starts up my system's text looks very low-res like 1980's.
[10:40] <Twiggy> johns_:  Thankya, I'll screw with it some
[10:40] <johns_> have fun ;)
[10:40] <eskilo> john__:  supposedly grub is much much better in a technical sense.  i just wish it _looked_ better.
[10:40] <ubuntu> hi
[10:40] <Guardiann> good afternoon fellows
[10:40] <pepperpot> do either grub or lilo recognize usb keyboards?
[10:40] <ubuntu> is there any way to isntall ubuntu from the live cd?
[10:40] <johns_> @ eskilo: i know, i just know lilo better :)
[10:41] <johns_> pepperpot: both should
[10:41] <_psai> are there any "dual monitor" howtos
[10:41] <johns_> at that point it's a bios thing
[10:41] <pepperpot> johns_, i've used lilo and never bothered to learn grub until i installed ubuntu. Then, since it was using grub, I was forced to learn it to understand what the hell was going on in my system
[10:42] <sladen> _psai: Google for 'Xinerama'
[10:42] <topyli> ubuntu: no
[10:42] <johns_> hm, i did an apt-get install lilo
[10:42] <sladen> johns_: what did you find wrong with Grub?
[10:42] <ubuntu> so you basically need the other disk
[10:42] <johns_> I've been migrating some systems to debian and ubuntu
[10:43] <sladen> pepperpot: grub/lilo don't talk to USB keyboards;  use USB->PS/2 keyboard emulation in hte BIOS
[10:43] <topyli> ubuntu: yes :)
[10:43] <johns_> on some grub left me with an not bootable system
[10:43] <pepperpot> johns_, i think i've been lucky so far
[10:43] <pepperpot> what are the relative merits of ayttm and gaim?
[10:43] <johns_> pepperpot: no, I think I have some pretty weird configs on some systems
[10:47] <ubuntu> is it worth to migrate from suse to ubuntu?
[10:47] <jesuel> id say yes
[10:47] <topyli> ubuntu: i think it is worth it to migrate from suse period :)
[10:47] <jesuel> the machine i got running ubuntu is running it quite nice with very LOW load
[10:47] <Bandit> ubuntu depends on what your looking for
[10:48] <ubuntu> stable and easy to install system
[10:48] <ubuntu> yast takes ages to install software
[10:48] <Bandit> warty is easy to install and very stable
[10:49] <kent> ubuntu, if you have a working system etc,  i would not do it. I like ubuntu, but having a working system over time.. is better than changing to whatever people for the moment seems to like. As long as it works i would not change
[10:49] <|QuaD-_> anyone here tried mepis?
[10:49] <johns_> yep, I did
[10:49] <|QuaD-_> whats your opinions
[10:49] <Bandit> kent isnt your system working?
[10:49] <syn-ack> I dont use rpm based distros
[10:49] <johns_> ubuntu is cleaner
[10:49] <|QuaD-_> johns_: what do you mean
[10:50] <johns_> the way the desktop looks
[10:50] <johns_> and it more or less copies a live cd to your harddisk
[10:50] <|QuaD-_> i just miss kde
[10:50] <pharynx> I experience intermitten lockup when accessing Desktop Preference or System Configuration menu, anybody seen that?
[10:50] <ubuntu> ok I think I am migrating now
[10:50] <johns_> then use kde with ubuntu
[10:51] <|QuaD-_> johns_: it didn't feel as complete as gnome (on ubuntu)
[10:51] <ubuntu> by the way, is gnome 2.8 available for ubuntu?
[10:51] <Guardiann> ubuntu yes its on warty
[10:51] <topyli> ubuntu: it's the default
[10:51] <ubuntu> great
[10:51] <Twiggy> johns_: I did a sudo grub-install /dev/hda and it says: Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device
[10:51] <johns_> hm, I mostly use windowmaker or xfce
[10:51] <ubuntu> great
[10:51] <Guardiann> :)
[10:52] <ubuntu> I will be back with a ubuntu system
[10:52] <jesuel> gnome for me
[10:52] <ubuntu> c ya
[10:52] <johns_> Twiggy: did you mount your drives
[10:52] <Guardiann> have fun
[10:52] <johns_> first /
[10:52] <johns_> then /boot
[10:52] <johns_> the rest doesn't really matter
[10:52] <Twiggy> johns_:  k
[10:52] <coobra> hmm
[10:52] <jesuel> Of course, I use xdcmp and connect from a windows box and display my Xsessions on that machine ;p
[10:53] <johns_> and after you mounted them, do a 'chroot /mountpoint_of_you_choice
[10:53] <jesuel> At least i do that when im working ;p
[10:54] <gazoombo> I'm on the phone with my friend who is trying to get ndiswrapper installed. how can I make synaptic or apt use a tarball?
[10:54] <johns_> jesuel: remote x rules ;)
[10:54] <jesuel> aye ;p
[10:55] <kent> Bandit, my system is working perfectly. Thats what i wanted to say, if its working.. dont change.  :)
[10:55] <pharynx> ok let's try again, anybody seen gnome-panel freezes when accessing certain menu items?
[10:55] <coobra> hmm whats on and of as deafault off deamons ??
[10:55] <topyli> gazoombo: apt can use debian sources but not plain tarballs
[10:55] <Twiggy> johns_:  gaH! still no go, how can I install lilo?
[10:55] <Twiggy> johns_:  Got it installed again, but still won't boot
[10:56] <eskilo> what are the alsa modules called?
[10:56] <topyli> eskilo: snd-foo
[10:56] <gazoombo> topyli: I believe it is a debian source package, but how can I point it to that file, or what does it need to be put in order to be indexed as a possible package to install?
[10:56] <KevMan> pharynx: Yeah, 3 time @ 2 -3 mins yesterday.
[10:57] <pharynx> on mine, gnome-panel freezes forever
[10:57] <pharynx> until I booted the machine
[10:57] <KING^^^> hello all
[10:57] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:~ $ /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:57] <KING^^^>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...
[10:57] <KING^^^> Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[10:57] <KING^^^> Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
[10:57] <KING^^^> Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key
[10:57] <KING^^^>  *hd: no hostkeys available -- exiting.                                  [fail]
[10:57] <KING^^^> why it doesn't starts ?
[10:57] <johns_> Twiggy: normally 'apt-get install lilo'
[10:58] <cowbud> KING^^^: there is something called channel etiquette and oyu aren't going to get help by doing shit like that
[10:58] <KevMan> pharynx. But also whilest closing certain things.
[10:58] <johns_> when root
[10:58] <topyli> gazoombo: dunno, i just put the debian src sources to sources.list and do 'apt-get build-dep foo' and 'apt-get -b source foo' or something. i forget because i use wajig :)
[10:58] <johns_> and then a lilo.config
[10:58] <cowbud> KING^^^: notice when you are starting that service you are not root put sudo in front of that
[10:58] <johns_> damn /etc/lilo.conf
[10:58] <pepperpot> how do i get a hotplug script to run after udev creates the symlink rather than before? jpilot-sync needs to run after /dev/pilot is created
[10:59] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:59] <KING^^^>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                               [fail]
[10:59] <KING^^^> cowbud:
[10:59] <KevMan> pharynx: MS word did it first, thought "ah typical"
[10:59] <pharynx> KevMan: MS Word??
[10:59] <topyli> KING^^^: please don't flood
[10:59] <KING^^^> i`m not flooding
[10:59] <cowbud> KING^^^: put a restart and see what happens and yes you are flooding
[10:59] <KING^^^> ok , sorry
[10:59] <hitu> okay
[10:59] <topyli> KING^^^: use #flood for that :)
[11:00] <hitu> how do i umm remove usbvideo module
[11:00] <hitu> i get this
[11:00] <KevMan> pharynx: yeah, crossover. need it for word docs that I recieve.
[11:00] <KING^^^> yeah sure ...
[11:00] <KING^^^> i said sorry
[11:00] <hitu> root@kinky:/home/hitu # modprobe -r usbvideo
[11:00] <hitu> FATAL: Module usbvideo is in use.
[11:00] <KING^^^> it won't happen` again
[11:00] <cowbud> KING^^^: try the same command with restart instead of start
[11:01] <hitu> omg
[11:01] <hitu> i just unplugged the cam
[11:01] <hitu> and it works again :S
[11:01] <hitu> thats sooooo bleh
[11:01] <KING^^^> cowbud:
[11:01] <KING^^^> * Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                             [ ok ]
[11:01] <cowbud> KING^^^: is it running?
[11:01] <KING^^^> * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                               [fail]
[11:02] <KevMan> pharynx: Then froze once when closing network window and once after trying to change certain preferances.
[11:02] <pharynx> KevMan: OpenOffice doesn't work for your purpose?
[11:02] <cowbud> KING^^^: oddly enough saying it still failed with the same error is sufficient enough then pasting two whole lines to the channel...try putting sh -x /etc/init.d/ssh start and see where it is failing..
[11:02] <cowbud> and don't paste all that output
[11:02] <KevMan> pharynx: Sometimes it changes the formating of complicated docs
[11:03] <KevMan> pharynx: Otherwise yes, and I use it as well.
[11:03] <pharynx> KevMan: hmmm ok
[11:03] <KING^^^>  *'[' 1 -eq 0 '] '                                                        [fail] '
[11:03] <KING^^^> cowbud:
[11:03] <cowbud> KING^^^: yah that doesn't help
[11:03] <cowbud> KING^^^: paste it all in #flood and I might be able to help
[11:04] <pharynx> KevMan: the bad thing about it is that bug-buddy tries to send the stack trace to someone, but it freezes also
[11:05] <eskilo> whenever i try to use alsa, the program in question freezes.
[11:05] <eskilo> wtf
[11:05] <eskilo> this just started happening.
[11:05] <blah09> evening, does anyone know if theres a lemmings version for linux? =)
[11:05] <pharynx> anybody knows how to get the bug-buddy stack-trace manually?
[11:06] <KevMan> pharynx. I think though with me its just Nautilus thats having problems, mouse still moves, just can't do anything.
[11:07] <pharynx> KevMan: .. thing is, i wasn't running nautilus or is nautilus *always* runs a'la explorer.exe?
[11:08] <KevMan> pharynx: Nautilus is like konqueror on kde.
[11:08] <eskilo> except much much better.
[11:08] <KevMan> Needs getting used to.
[11:08] <pharynx> eskilo: well, i haven't seen konqueror hang yet ;)
[11:08] <rempresent> quick question, why does my mplayer plugin for mozilla firefox hang after I download the video?
[11:08] <eskilo> i've never seen nautilus hang either.
[11:09] <Anubis> how does one start and stop services in Ubuntu?
[11:09] <pharynx> eskilo: well, something obviously hangs on mine, mouse is working but the GUI just freezes
[11:09] <Anubis> I want to stop and start webmin
[11:09] <ewhitten> Anubis:  sudo /etc/init.d/service  start | stop | restart | etc
[11:09] <KevMan> Only recently installed ubuntu, so its new to me, otherwise I use KDE.
[11:09] <Anubis> thx
[11:10] <KevMan> i get the message that nautilus has to close.
[11:10] <pharynx> KevMan: same here.. I like it so far, except for this darn hanging
[11:10] <KevMan> Dito.
[11:10] <pharynx> KevMan: where did you see the message?
[11:10] <KevMan> After the last hang.
[11:11] <pharynx> KevMan: no i mean where.. like in /var/log or something?
[11:11] <KevMan> pharynx: No, came as window on desktop
[11:12] <pharynx> KevMan: i see, i got similar message except it's gnome-panel that has to close
[11:12] <eskilo> i have modules loaded with "oss" in them, and i can't rmmod them because they are "in use" and i can't use alsa..can anyone help?
[11:12] <KevMan> then couple of seconds empty desktop, then alls well
[11:13] <pharynx> KevMan: unfort.ly mine never came back :(
[11:13] <eskilo> well that sucks.  hopefully people here will be able to help you through it so that you can see how great gnome is.
[11:13] <ewhitten> eskilo:  you may need to remove certain other modules first..  try using "modprobe -r" instead of rmmod.
[11:13] <KevMan> pharynx: Hasn't hung today yet.
[11:13] <geppy> gstreamer-jack is broken.  How do I fix it?
[11:14] <KevMan> pharynx: Otherwise like Ubuntu so far.
[11:14] <hyphenated> is the "free shipping of CDs" still going, and do they mind donations from people after they are received?
[11:15] <geppy> Perhaps I should be more clear:  the gstreamer-jack package is broken.
[11:15] <Xenguy> hyphenated: http://ubuntulinux.org/
[11:16] <|QuaD-_> hyphenated: i bet they mind donations!
[11:16] <|QuaD-_> i bet they don't want them at any cost
[11:16] <eskilo> thanks ewhitten .  i did that and closed those oss modules down and alsa works now.
[11:16] <Xenguy> hyphenated: for answers to both your Q's.
[11:16] <mike998> |Quad-_ my sarcasam meter is broken... are you serious?
[11:16] <hyphenated> Xenguy: the shipping one isn't answered clearly there
[11:16] <mz2> geppy, it's not terribly useful at the mo anyways... you'll have to wait for a bit for somebody to code a decent jack gstreamer sink
[11:16] <pranxor> Gnome seems to be running pretty slow so I have installed the nvidia drivers and edited the XF86Config-4 to enable hardware rendering. So far so good, but when I try to update the XF86Config-4 file with this command " sudo cd /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4-4.md5sum" I get "permission denied" error. Any ideas how to solve this will be much appreciated
[11:17] <geppy> mike:  He's kidding.
[11:17] <geppy> mz2:  What's wrong with the current sink?  (I haven't had a chance to try it out, yet)
[11:17] <pharynx> KevMan: ok, i'll try asking again later... thx for responding! gotta go!
[11:17] <mike998> phew... I was gonna say
[11:17] <|QuaD-_> mike998: i highly doubt that they would turn down a donation
[11:17] <hyphenated> Xenguy: and the donate icon.. looked like an ad, and I kinda don't see them on web pages anymore :-)
[11:17] <geppy> mz2:  I would be interested in coding a new sink.
[11:17] <seiya> hello - does anyone know what's going on with ubuntu's look'n'feel website contest?
[11:17] <topyli> mike998: you can always donate something to me, with my permission ;)
[11:17] <ewhitten> pranxor:  that command doesn't look quite right.
[11:17] <mz2> geppy, it just generally doesn't work too well, or with too many applications...
[11:18] <ewhitten> pranxor:  for one, you can't 'cd' to a file.
[11:18] <geppy> mz2:  Hmm...
[11:18] <mon> hi i'd like to isntall the exact kernel source that was used to build the ubuntu kernel. that should be "linux-tree" right?
[11:18] <joh> Hello, I'm having a problem with Sound Juicer. When I'm extracting a CD, it goes extremely slow (0.5x) and the audio is sparkling and plays too fast (this is raw wave). I've tried with both of my CD-drives, but with the same result... any ideas?
[11:18] <pranxor> sorry, it should be "cp"
[11:18] <mz2> geppy, i saw a mentioning of somebody on planet.gnome.org starting working on it, you should maybe do some searching to find this guy and help him :)
[11:18] <geppy> mz2:  Thanks! =)
[11:19] <mz2> i'd be glad to test it :)
[11:19] <geppy> mz2:  heh... Would you want me to contact you about it, if it ends up becoming useful?
[11:19] <ewhitten> pranxor:  also, you don't want the md5sum file to be a copy of your configuration file
[11:19] <mon> joh: try another disc, if it's still that weird, file a bug
[11:19] <Xappe> hmm, installed graveman on hoary with apt-get source -b and dkpg to enable the mp3 support. now when I run synaptic it wants to upgrade graveman although the version is the same...why what how?
[11:19] <mz2> absolutely!
[11:20] <ewhitten> replace 'cp' with 'md5sum'
[11:20] <geppy> mz2:  Alright.  In here, or somehow else? =)
[11:20] <Phr0stByte> I have just connected through a router and now my speed is much slower - any ideas here anyone?
[11:20] <Shambler> is it normal that in hoary the preview for video files in nautilus isn't working any more?
[11:21] <pranxor> ewhitten: I`ll try that, thanks
[11:21] <topyli> Xappe: just hold the package ("pin" in synaptic IIRC)
[11:21] <ewhitten> pranxor:  no problem.
[11:21] <topyli> Xappe: seems to be "lock" in synaptic
[11:22] <Xappe> topyli, mkay...i'll try that.
[11:22] <Xappe> but I think it's strange sonehow...
[11:22] <Xappe> *somehow
[11:22] <shock> ok - I am going for another experiment: "how well does ubuntu install on a good old a20p thinkpad"
[11:22] <shock> wish me luck
[11:23] <topyli> Xappe: happened to me with gaim :)
[11:23] <shock> its gonna be another hoary
[11:23] <Xappe> the versions in synaptic 'installed' and 'available' are exactly the same
[11:24] <Phr0stByte> I have just connected through a router and now my speed is much slower - any ideas here anyone?
[11:24] <topyli> Xappe: the package in the repository probably has an "epoch" or whatever it's called, like version 1:1.1.1 while you just have 1.1.1
[11:24] <|QuaD-_> Phr0stByte: are other comps on the router?
[11:26] <Phr0stByte> |QuaD-_: Yes 1 - But my speed is slow even when mine is the only one on.
[11:26] <DanC> hmm... I'm interested to do video capture on an ubuntu box; I'm bummed to find no dvr/freevo/mythtv package.
[11:26] <Xenguy> hyphenated: Answer #1 seems clear to me; what (specifically) is it you are unclear about?
[11:26] <DanC> I started building from source, using libavi from some apt repository, but ran into segfaults
[11:27] <DanC> then I thought I'd just install regular debian and use the freevo package there, but there's no madwifi support in the installer
[11:27] <DanC> hmm
[11:27] <joh> mon: ok, same with all disks..
[11:27] <Xappe> topyli, but the lock function does not seem to work. it unlocks it when I choose smart upgrade...
[11:28] <drew> hi all. I have installed scribus with libqt3c102-mt and was wondering if I could make it a little less ugly (ie: use a theme) without installing all of kde...
[11:29] <hyphenated> Xenguy: the last mentioned shipping date was December 2004 or so. I wasn't sure if it was still going
[11:29] <drew> any pointers?
[11:29] <hyphenated> November, rather
[11:30] <audix> How can I browse my NTFS volumes from gnome?  Can somebody recommend me an app?
[11:30] <hyphenated> gah. getting confused by order deadline and actual shipping date :-)
[11:30] <topyli> Xappe: strange
[11:30] <Xenguy> hyphenated: are you viewing a cached page or something?  Here's what I see (do you see it too?) -> All orders placed after the end of the February will be Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" CDs which will printed and sent as soon as Hoary releases.
[11:30] <Xappe> topyli, yes
[11:30] <Xenguy> hyphenated: ahh
[11:31] <hyphenated> Xenguy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/ <-- that page
[11:31] <topyli> Xappe: nothing should depend on graveman so why would it matter to any upgrade?
[11:31] <shock> question: is all of marillat in multiverse?
[11:31] <hyphenated> Xenguy: I guess I landed in the wrong spot :-) thanks
[11:31] <Xenguy> hyphenated: np
[11:32] <Xappe> topyli, I don't know. installed all build-deps and install deps before dkpg -i
[11:32] <mon> joh: then file a bug at bugzilla i guess...
[11:32] <drew> audix: just need to mount the volume (read-only is only supported) and you can use nautilus
[11:32] <joh> mon: k, I'm going to try with a newer kernel first though, as this also happens with plain cdrdao...
[11:33] <shock> seriously guys? how about it? marillat in multiverse or not?
[11:33] <Xappe> topyli, and afaik the existing binary in the repos does not have mp3 support
[11:33] <shock> talking the win32codecs n stuff
[11:33] <mithro> hello people
[11:33] <topyli> Xappe: yeah, and even if you missed a graveman dependancy, it would simply be broken. but nothing depends on graveman :\
[11:33] <shock> hoi
[11:35] <Xappe> well, i'll just see if get any answers from the graveman thread in the forum
[11:35] <audix> drew, Thx, can you point me in the right direction on how to mount the volume?
[11:36] <topyli> Xappe: yeah, i'm clueless
[11:36] <shock> and one more question: maybe that will be answered: what was that linux-printer page in the web?
[11:36] <shock> :P
[11:36] <shock> okok - I'll google
[11:37] <topyli> shock: dunno, browse multiverse in archive.ubuntu.com and see what's in there
[11:37] <Xenguy> shock: linuxprinting.org (or .net?)
[11:37] <shock> hmkay
[11:37] <shock> tak
[11:37] <shock> :D
[11:38] <mon> anyone knows how i can install the ubuntu kernel source?
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install linux-source-version
[11:39] <Phr0stByte> I have just connected through a router and now my speed is much slower - any ideas here anyone?
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> maybe the router is broken
[11:39] <shock> erm... maybe you switch/hub is too slow?
[11:39] <shock> cables screwed?
[11:39] <mon> HrdwrBoB: do i need to patch it manually?
[11:39] <shock> roomy runs a donkey?
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> mon: no
[11:40] <mon> HrdwrBoB: hmm, but the .config seems missing. i'm also not sure if it's included in the kernel so i could copy it from /proc...
[11:40] <bruce_> hey how can i write an easy cronjob?
[11:40] <Slaven> There's one thing I've always wanted to know.
[11:41] <shock> ok slaven? what?
[11:41] <shock> *g*
[11:41] <drew> audix: add this to /etc/fstab:
[11:41] <Slaven> It's pretty much RTFM-level, but...
[11:41] <drew> audix: /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs noatime,defaults,users,ro,umask=0 0 0
[11:41] <Slaven> let's say I have a terminal emulator...
[11:41] <Slaven> let's say I have Eterm.
[11:41] <shock> ok
[11:41] <shock> U got ETerm
[11:41] <drew> audix: (change the partition to suit of course)
[11:41] <topyli> heh
[11:42] <Slaven> I've seen how people can have messages printed to them when they run their Eterms. like small welcoming messages or status messages or whatever.
[11:42] <topyli> Slaven: they are probably monitoring syslog or something
[11:42] <Slaven> oh
[11:42] <shock> or they are running a startup command
[11:42] <shock> like "cat message.txt"
[11:42] <topyli> or compiling the kernel :)
[11:42] <shock> *g*
[11:42] <Slaven> so there's no way to actually tell an Eterm to say "Hello World!"
[11:43] <shock> there is
[11:43] <topyli> sure
[11:43] <Slaven> I don't mean WHILE running it. I mean as soon as it starts :D
[11:43] <topyli> echo "hello world"
[11:43] <shock> run on start: "echo Hello World"
[11:43] <topyli> :P
[11:43] <shock> or something thelike
[11:43] <Slaven> shock: is there a commandline argument for running on start?
[11:44] <bitfoo> anyone know how to limit upload/shape traffic in gftp!?
[11:44] <shock> am looking right now
[11:44] <topyli> Slaven: if the shell is a login shell, you get the motd or /etc/issue
[11:44] <bitfoo> ;[
[11:45] <shock> -e "command"
[11:45] <shock> ?
[11:45] <topyli> sure
[11:45] <shock> hm - no thats instead of shell
[11:45] <topyli> yeah
[11:45] <Slaven> but after the action specified in -e is complete, the terminal closes...
[11:45] <topyli> yes
[11:46] <kim1> I have a n00b question
[11:46] <shock> hm... and if that action would be "bash"
[11:46] <kim1> where can I find a list of what is in the ubuntu distro?
[11:46] <Slaven> topyli: Eterm -l makes it a login shell.
[11:47] <shock> well... define this for login shells then
[11:47] <Slaven> shock: Start just like normal.
[11:47] <shock> and if u tell that bash to execute something?
[11:47] <shock> like echo ...
[11:48] <topyli> shock: in gnome-terminal you can just set these things in the preferences
[11:48] <KING^^^> hello all
[11:48] <KING^^^> i have installed bittornado-gui
[11:48] <topyli> Slaven i mean, not shock
[11:48] <KING^^^> how do i start it ?
[11:48] <Slaven> shock: I tried Eterm -e bash -c echo "Hello World"
[11:48] <shock> I know
[11:48] <Slaven> didn't work :)
[11:48] <Slaven> just as if I'd written Eterm -e echo "Hello World"
[11:49] <Slaven> topyli: I use Eterm.
[11:49] <shock> When  bash  is  invoked  as an interactive login shell, or as a non-interactive shell
[11:49] <shock>        with the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/pro-
[11:49] <shock>        file,  if  that  file exists.
[11:49] <shock> how about that?
[11:49] <shock> *g+
[11:49] <shock> ~/.bash_login
[11:49] <KING^^^> nobody can tell me ?
[11:49] <Slaven> shock: Adding the --login option didn't really help either.
[11:49] <niktaris> hi all,
 <--- use open with on an bittorret file?
[11:50] <shock> slaven - add the line "echo Hello" to ~/.bash_login
[11:50] <topyli> Slaven: with xterm, you can use the -ls option to make the xterm a login shell. then it will execute your ~/.login
[11:50] <shock> then execute it as a login shell
[11:51] <niktaris> anyone can tell me where to find ubuntu sources?
[11:51] <izte> KING^^^: btdownloadgui.bittornado
[11:51] <stuNNed> need help
[11:51] <shock> or get gnome-btdownload
[11:51] <Slaven> shock: No, doesn't work. :(
[11:51] <jazzka> has ubuntu enabled Preemptible Kernel option by default?
[11:51] <topyli> niktaris: archive.ubuntu.com
[11:51] <shock> hmpf
[11:52] <KING^^^> thanks izte
[11:52] <kim1> archive.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <kim1> is this where I can find a text file of all the packages>?
[11:52] <topyli> Slaven: you need to see eterm's man page to see how to run it as a login shell (like -ls in xterm)
[11:52] <Slaven> -l
[11:53] <Slaven> it doesn't work.
[11:53] <shock> hm... weirdness...
[11:53] <Slaven> or rather, it starts just as normal
[11:53] <shock> ill try bash_profile
[11:53] <shock> aah
[11:53] <shock> it works when put into profile
[11:53] <niktaris> topyli, thanks. are the souce .debs for the live cd's too?
[11:54] <Slaven> thanks :)
[11:54] <stuNNed> i must have screwed up my home dir perms with sudo -s is there any way to fix?
[11:54] <Slaven> works just fine
[11:54] <topyli> niktaris: not entirely i  guess. the live cd is essentially morphix
[11:54] <shock> :)
[11:54] <Shambler> is it normal that in hoary the preview for video files in nautilus isn't working any more?
[11:54] <Slaven> now I just have to come up with something smart to put there :D
[11:55] <joh> mon: upgrading the kernel fixed the problem. :)
[11:55] <shock> Slaven "this is my computer u scumbag!"
[11:55] <niktaris> topyli, where can I find more info on these cd's?
[11:55] <Slaven> oh.
[11:55] <Slaven> I know.
[11:55] <topyli> Slaven: just make it execute fortune for starters
[11:55] <Slaven> something randomized. :-)
[11:55] <Slaven> fortune for starters?
[11:55] <mon> joh: good then :)
[11:56] <shock> just run fortune
[11:56] <kim1> niktaris: do you know if there is a list of all the packages on the ubuntu distro somewhere?
[11:56] <topyli> niktaris: dunno off hand. try the morphix home page
[11:56] <mon> anyone knows where to get the .config file for Ubuntu-kernels?
[11:56] <Slaven> ah
[11:56] <terry> I want to register a new protocol, however I cant seem to find gnomes file types and applications capplet
[11:56] <drew> hi all. I have installed scribus with libqt3c102-mt and was wondering if I could make it a little less ugly (ie: use a theme) without installing all of kde... ?
[11:56] <Slaven> exactly what I was looking for :D
[11:56] <crimsun> mon: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[11:56] <terry> anyone know where it is??
[11:56] <mon> kim1: you can download it from a mirror like you said
[11:56] <mon> crimsun: doh! thaks
[11:57] <mon> must've been my dumbest question ever
[11:57] <kim1> mon: I just want the list not the distro
[11:58] <mon> kim1: yeah, get it from the apt mirror
[11:58] <topyli> terry: you want to associate an app to a file type?
[11:58] <mon> kim1: it's called Packages or something
[11:58] <mon> a gzipped text file
[11:58] <terry> toppyli, umm a URL
[11:58] <terry> toppyli, a protocal
[11:59] <kim1> is the ip for the apt mirror on the web site?
[11:59] <terry> I read you can do it in file types and applications, I just cant find it


[10:54] <swoody> what are the benefits to using the /member/ubuntu/ cloak?
[10:55] <elky> street cred
[10:56] <swoody> I thought there were some real, tangible things... some permissions or abilities? o.O
[10:56] <erUSUL> swoody: some chans have the cloak in access list ...
[10:57] <swoody> outside of that though? that's about it?
[10:58] <rww> 1) Street cred, 2) ops in a handful of places, 3) crippling guilt whenever you violate the CoC on IRC
[10:58] <erUSUL> swoody: what do you have in mind ? a oak wand with unicorn hair so you can do some magic? XXDD
[10:58] <swoody> that would have been nice... :(
[10:58] <swoody> lol, no I was just curious is all :)
[10:58] <rww> erUSUL: how did you find out about our magical abilities?!
[10:59] <erUSUL> rww: your kind allways understimates me ...
[10:59] <rww> muggle :(
[11:05] <elky> rww, so why did we let /you/ have one?
[11:05] <rww> elky: I ask myself this question regularly :(
[11:07] <Tm_T> lesser evil?
[11:07]  * Tm_T huggles rww tightly
[13:18] <pkramerruiz> Hi everyone!
[13:18] <pkramerruiz> Can anyone tell me if the developers of "software-sources" have an channel-sources?
[13:18] <pkramerruiz> Cause I want to run the process for selecting the best Mirror server, every time before making an update to some program, for obtain more speed downloading
[13:27] <Pici> pkramerruiz: This isn't a support channel.  You'd be better off asking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
[13:27] <pkramerruiz> okay
[13:27] <pkramerruiz> Thanx
[16:07] <erUSUL> !search council
[16:07] <erUSUL> irccouncil
[16:07] <erUSUL> !irccouncil
[23:03] <phillw> hi, is it in here I ask for the addition of a factoid?
[23:07] <phillw> nhandler: is it in here I ask for a factoid to be added?
[23:07] <rww> phillw: if you "/msg ubottu !factoidname is <reply> factoid message goes here", it'll get sent to #ubuntu-ops automagically
[23:08] <rww> (which is also where one generally discusses additions)
[23:08] <phillw> rww, I'll pop over there. thanks for the info


[09:36] <FManTropyx> now, I'm not sure what to do with my download mirrors: I don't have enough space on those small VPSs those host all 4 images - maybe I will just support the 64-bit version or perhaps simply replace the 16.04 images with 16.04.1
[09:49] <sakrecoer> thats kind of you FManTropyx :)
[10:05] <FManTropyx> not being sure what to do? :P
[10:09] <flocculant> FManTropyx: in a simple world the difference between 16.04 and point releases is that all the updates between one and next is all the updates between are not needed
[10:10] <flocculant> eg .1 will be 16.04 updated
[10:10] <flocculant> however I'm not sure how HWE impacts on point releases
[10:11] <flocculant> also, if you keep them all you'd end up with 16.04, .1, .2, .3, .4, .5
[10:12] <sakrecoer> OMGubuntu always forget to mention studio...
[10:13] <sakrecoer> except for that dvd iso size melodrama.. :D
[10:14] <flocculant> imagine that
[10:15] <sakrecoer> maybe we need more controversy to be promoted by them :D
[10:15] <flocculant> :)
[14:26] <autumna> I am back from traveling. where are we with the krita problem? do we still need somebody to package it?
[15:20] <OvenWerks> autumna: it is removed from our iso for now I think.
[15:21] <OvenWerks> FManTropyx: I would suggest to have 16.04.1 (then .2 when it comes out)
[15:34] <autumna> ok
[15:35] <autumna> owenwerks: so what needs to be done is to package it for debian, or help the kubuntu team? I have been trying to skim through the chat but slightly confused
[15:36] <OvenWerks> autumna: I am not any less confused :) just that it has something to do with moving to qt5
[15:37] <autumna> (and yeah mypaint is great although they are not replacements to each other. I actually love using MyPaint for early sketching, and krita for a lot of work including even some of the photography work these days)
[15:39] <autumna> OvenWerks: I would really like to help, I am just confused from conversations I saw what to do  - if there is anything that can be done
[15:40] <OvenWerks> I would really like to help you help  :)  but even though I code other sw... packaging just makes my eyes glace over.
[15:44] <autumna> yeah I have the same reaction a bit
[15:44] <autumna> but considering I wanted to already package some other stuff as well so that we can add to US
[15:44] <autumna> need to learn how to do it at some point.
[16:30] <sakrecoer> autumna, pick up on Ross offer to teach via the mailing list
[16:35] <sakrecoer> autumna: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2016-August/008023.html
[17:32] <autumna> oooh
[17:32] <autumna> sure will do
[17:33] <autumna> if he has time through
[17:34] <sakrecoer> autumna: if you do it via the mailing list, it might be a bit slow, but it would help others (me! :D) and  he could do it wheneer he's got time..
[17:54] <autumna> that sounds like a good plan
[17:54] <autumna> I just wanted to check in briefly because it wasn't clear to me from IRC logs if somebody was on it?
[17:54] <autumna> or that the situation was outside our ability to do, or if it was just discussing options
[19:43] <sakrecoer> another kindof game killer in the graphics workflow is this bug #1579536
[19:44] <sakrecoer> seems font-manager in debian is super old...
[19:44] <sakrecoer> and well, it would be nice to package/maintain it aswell...
[21:55] <autumna> sakrecoer, whoever else is interested, maybe we can schedule a time, to, well, each pick a package sit together in devel chat, and try to package and upload something
[21:56] <autumna> then we can email rosco whatever we get stuck at. etc


[12:22] <be1> hi guys! newbee question! How do I report a bug to Evince for Ubuntu? It seems I am forced to do that upstream? is that true?
[07:29] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders!
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66202 in rosetta "Transfer translations when a source package is renamed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66202
[08:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66206 in malone "No advanced search option to search by bug privacy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66206
[09:43] <lifeless> SteveA: around ?
[09:43] <lifeless> spiv: or you ?
[09:55] <SteveA> lifeless: hi
[09:55] <lifeless> hi
[09:55] <lifeless> I was wondering how untasteful it would be to have an import hook (python 2.3 and above style) that logged what was being imported
[09:56] <SteveA> I read that as "untestful" at first :-)
[09:56] <lifeless> this is for a little project some friends and I are fiddling with in weekends
[09:56] <lifeless> and how is amsterdam ?
[09:56] <SteveA> well, python does this for you with one of the command line switches
[09:56] <SteveA> if that's enough
[09:56] <SteveA> I'm currently in rotterdam.  It's good here, but I need to start looking for a place in Amsterdam.
[09:57] <lifeless> I suspect it would be too slow to invoke python for every code fragment we need to run
[09:57] <lifeless> but it might be a reasonable starting point
[09:57] <SteveA> import hooks are okay really
[09:57] <SteveA> the main problem I've met, other than a small speed hit
[09:57] <lifeless> (it needs to fire on imports done in an eval'd string, not on actual 'have to parse this .py file' conditions)
[09:58] <SteveA> it that some diagnostic code (3rd party) that assumes things about the stack level an import causes an ImportError at
[09:58] <SteveA> to distinguish between "immediate import errors" and "import errors caused by importing the code you asked to import"
[09:59] <SteveA> we've had remarkably few issues with the import fascist in launchpad, for example
[09:59] <lifeless> I'm having trouble parsing your line beginning 'it that some'
[09:59] <SteveA> although, that's run only when tests are run, not in production
[09:59] <SteveA> "is that some"
[09:59] <SteveA> continuation line, starting with "is"
[09:59] <lifeless> the end is a problem for me too - 'causes an ImportError at to distin...'
[10:00] <SteveA> the 3rd party code is meant to give more helpful error messages for parsing and acting on ZCML
[10:00] <SteveA> processing ZCML involves importing stuff
[10:01] <SteveA> and the code wants to give ZCML errors for imports directly due to text in the zcml
[10:01] <SteveA> but normal import errors due to faulty imports from python code
[10:02] <SteveA> so the diagnostic code inspects the number of stack frames in the exception's traceback
[10:02] <SteveA> and assumes that "import" goes straight to C
[10:02] <lifeless> I see
[10:02] <SteveA> so, an import hook changes the number of stack frames in the import error exception
[10:02] <lifeless> I dont think that will be a problem :)
[10:02] <SteveA> I think it's fine to run tests with a simple and robust import hook
[10:03] <SteveA> I don't really like running in production with one
[10:03] <lifeless> the use case here is for python as an extension language for a tool
[10:03] <SteveA> sounds quite tasteful to hook import in that case
[10:03] <lifeless> thanks for the feedback
[10:04] <lifeless> meh, I mean - thanks for letting me pick your brain and your reactions
[10:04] <SteveA> because users don't have the same expectations as for stand-alone python
[10:04] <SteveA> but, my opinion might change if I actually saw it ;-)
[10:04] <SteveA> np
[10:04] <lifeless> the hook or the tool ;)
[10:04] <lifeless> users should not ever see the hook
[10:05] <lifeless> it just lets us setup appropriate triggers
[10:12] <SteveA> the tool... how much you've changed imports from a regular python user's expectations
[10:14] <lifeless> not at all
[10:14] <lifeless> I dont want to go into too much detail right now, this is all quite experimental
[10:14] <SteveA> ok
[10:14] <lifeless> a very large thought experiment if you like
[10:14] <SteveA> that's my main personal grounds for tastefulness
[10:15] <SteveA> like, it's possible to change python with an import hook so that "import" functions as a "print" statement
[10:15] <SteveA> but that's not tasteful
[10:15] <lifeless> a couple of friends and I are considering rewriting the build-toolchain of autoconf/automake/libtool/make to be sane, useful, and faster
[10:15] <SteveA> +1
[10:16] <SteveA> I always thought of these things as a hugely technical black bo
[10:16] <SteveA> x
[10:16] <SteveA> if they don't work for a particular project, I just don't use that project
[10:16] <lifeless> one of the intrinsic problems all existing tools I've used ignore is that the build rules are part of the dependencies of their output
[10:16] <SteveA> I mean, if that project is set up to use them, and I want to hack on it
[10:16] <lifeless> if you change the build rules, then the output should be regenerated
[10:16] <lifeless> right, they are mega pain, though many people have come to an accomodation with them.
[10:17] <duncan> hi all - I want to know what I need to do to get more priveleges on launchpad?
[10:17] <SteveA> you want a build rule for the build rules ;-)
[10:17] <SteveA> rule zero...
[10:17] <lifeless> so what we are planning is a small kernel to do [handwaving] , and a standard library of routines to let you quickly describe what you want to achieve. That standard library will be built in some language
[10:18] <lifeless> duncan: talk to the specific project or product you want more access to
[10:18] <lifeless> duncan: i.e. if its ubuntu, talk with the folk on #ubuntu-devel
[10:19] <duncan> lifeless, ah, so is it distro specific or package specific are a mixture?
[10:19] <lifeless> duncan: policy for ubuntu packages is set by whether the package is in 'main' or 'universe'
[10:19] <lifeless> universe -> #ubuntu-motu, main -> #ubuntu-devel
[10:20] <duncan> lifeless, can I ask a small question about xchat?
[10:20] <lifeless> SteveA: right, if the kernel itself changes to the point that the input for rules would change, for instance the evaluation of command line parameters, then rules depending on that evaluation will re-run
[10:20] <lifeless> duncan: it will not be answered here
[10:21] <lifeless> duncan: because its a package! and the folk here know about the web UI, but not about packaging.
[10:21] <lifeless> xchat is in main IIRC, so #ubuntu-devel is where you should go if you are contributing to the xchat package is some regard
[10:21] <duncan> lifeless, I'll try anyway. How do I make it generate "nick:" with a colon, at the moment it's a commar.
[10:22] <lifeless> I dont know.
[10:22] <duncan> ok
[10:22] <SteveA> my neither.  I use irssi.
[10:22] <SteveA> try #xchat or something perhaps
[10:22] <lifeless> for that, its really a user question, not so much a technical/development question, so I'd suggest #xchat as SteveA says, or file a support request in launchpad
[10:23] <duncan> thanks all, bye
[10:23] <lifeless> (though that won't get you an interactive answer)
[10:23] <lifeless> or perhaps #ubuntu
[10:23] <duncan> thanks
[10:23] <lifeless> SteveA: so yes, the blackhole of the depends chain is the kernel developers
[10:23] <lifeless> but beyond that it needs to be self referential all the way up
[10:24] <lifeless> and we're considering how to make python do that
[10:24] <lifeless> because even if python is not the language the standard library is written in, many users will want to write rules in a better language than shell as make forces them to
[10:25] <SteveA> sure.  most projects aren't written in shell or make either
[10:26] <lifeless> thats another point: if people can write in the language they are using in their project, it will make them happier
[10:26] <SteveA> see ant, sure
[10:26] <SteveA> do I mean ant?
[10:26] <lifeless> ant uses xml
[10:26] <SteveA> the java makefile-equiv
[10:26] <lifeless> but java == xml :)
[10:26] <SteveA> it is implemented in java
[10:26] <lifeless> yes
[10:27] <lifeless> ant files are really ugly for humans to read, but nice for IDE's to read.
[10:27] <lifeless> its quite interesting
[10:27] <SteveA> I'm off to find breakfast.  thanks for the chat :-)
[10:27] <lifeless> tchau tchau
[10:27] <SteveA> dag
[11:43] <mpt> whoo
[11:58] <mpt> holy crap

[12:09] <mpt> SteveA, thanks for the work on https://launchpad.net/bugs/65629 - it's not finished yet though. I've given details in the bug report.
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66224 in malone "Bug visibility page (+secrecy) is missing a facet/application menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66224
[05:30] <ryanakca> how do you remove a remote bug watch thingy? ex: https://launchpad.net/products/amarok/+bug/64573 is watching the same remote bug twice
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64573 in amarok "Amarok crashes on iPod connection" [Unknown,Unknown]
[08:54] <AutOMarG|naO> hello ?
[08:54] <AutOMarG|naO> hola ?
[08:54] <AutOMarG|naO> alguien ?
[08:54] <AutOMarG|naO> ChanServ
[08:54] <AutOMarG|naO> [PUPPETS] Gonzo
[08:55] <AutOMarG|naO> alguien habla espaol aki ?
[10:51] <ssam> i am trying to add an upstream bug report (freedesktop 8095) to ubuntu bug 58373, it wont let me put 'compiz' as the product, am i doing something wrong?
[10:51] <Ubugtu> Freedesktop bug 8095 in App/compiz "Blue Compiz for PowerPC" [Normal,Assigned]  http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8095
[11:21] <lifeless> ssam: there may not be a compiz product yet
[11:21] <lifeless> have you looked for one at https://launchpad.net/products ?
[11:41] <ssam> https://launchpad.net/products does not find it, but ubuntu bug 58373 is file against compiz
[11:42] <lifeless> so the bug is against the compiz *package*
[11:42] <ssam> is there any way to link to the upstream bug then
[11:43] <lifeless> someone needs to record in launchpad that there is a *product* compiz
[11:43] <lifeless> which you can then specify as using bugzilla.freedesktop.org for its bugtracker
[11:43] <ssam> can i do that
[11:43] <lifeless> and that will activate the upstream tracking
[11:43] <lifeless> you can do this
[11:45] <lifeless> just go to launchpad.net/products
[11:45] <lifeless> select register a new product
[11:46] <ssam> ok thanks
[11:48] <lifeless> when you have the product, select 'define launchpad usage' and there is a drop-down box
[11:48] <lifeless> which has the freedesktop.org bugzilla in it
[11:50] <lifeless> then go to 'published packages'
[11:51] <lifeless> and clieck 'link a package'
[11:52] <lifeless> there you should type in compiz, and set the distribution release to edgy
[11:52] <ssam> ok done :-)
[11:52] <lifeless> now go to your bug
[11:53] <lifeless> looks like its all linked
[11:54] <ssam> done that aswell, though looks like someone has since made upstream links to xorg-server
[11:54] <lifeless> the activity log will help there
[11:54] <lifeless> about an hour back
[11:55] <lifeless> is it a xorg server bug or compiz ? [do we know ?]
[11:58] <ssam> on the freedesktop bugzilla its product:xorg, component: app/compiz
[11:58] <lifeless> then you can reject it from the xorg server in launchpad
[12:00] <ssam> ok
[12:00] <ssam> though debian have it file against xorg
[12:00] <lifeless> heh
[12:01] <lifeless> I dont know enough, I suggest talking about this on #ubuntu-devel, or freedesktop's irc channels
[12:03] <ssam> i think i'll leave it as it is. maybe it will become clearer at some point


[00:28] <tiemonster> jamalta: you around?
[00:33] <jamalta> tiemonster: hey
[00:33] <jamalta> sorry, i had forgotten to re-configure my irc client
[00:33] <jamalta> :X
[00:33] <tiemonster> Huh?
[00:34] <tiemonster> For nick highlighting?
[00:34] <jamalta> no, as in i didn't have my local irc set up so i haven't been paying attention to it for about a week
[00:34] <jamalta> i run a bouncer on my server, though so i have a backlog
[00:34] <tiemonster> Ah
[00:35] <jamalta> What's up?
[00:36] <tiemonster> I was wondering why there's no official Android app for Flickr
[00:37] <jamalta> It hasn't been a priority
[15:20] <dantalizing> morning
[15:26] <mhall119> morning
[15:51] <tiemonster> gninrom
[17:24] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping
[17:32] <dorgan> mhall119: ping