I want to grant users in the group 'webmasters' full mod access to a set of folders, but the problem is, their main group is not 'webmasters' and I don't want to change their main group either - any idea how to get around this problem? I am currently using "sudo setfacl -R -m g:webmasters:rwX
[00:21] <Denise> alone
[01:00] <dq0511> is anyone know how to compile the ieee80211 ?
[01:00] <dq0511> im using hardy kubuntu
[01:00] <dq0511> =.='
[01:01] <twylight> !screensavers
[01:01] <twylight> damn
[01:01] <Denise> hardy kubuntu what?
[01:05] <snova> i'm trying to enable the ppa repos with kde 4.1 in them. do these packages use .kde instead of .kde4? i read that they'd changed that recently, but i don't know if it applies to these repos.
[01:08] <no1peacedragon> I am total noob was just wondering does WINE help with doing windows games, or just other windows apps?
[01:08] <twylight> both
[01:09] <no1peacedragon> ok thanks i hadn't tried yet
[01:09] <snova> no1peacedragon: it does, but possibly not as well, as games have higher requirements that wine might not be able to meet.
[01:09] <twylight> it's kind of flaky
[01:09] <twylight> like I said, kind of flaky
[01:09] <twylight> doesn't always run things the way you want
[01:09] <no1peacedragon> lol well windows is kinda flaky thats why I switched lol
[01:10] <Denise> doesn't always run things the way you want
[01:10] <Denise> as games have higher requirements that wine might not be able to meet.
[01:11] <Denise> intimidation
[01:11] <no1peacedragon> ok
[01:14] <no1peacedragon> is there a list of games that is pretty compatable ,(or less conflicts) that I can look up?
[01:15] <Denise> choose clearer games
[01:16] <DarkShinigami> Hello all. I still cannot seem to figure out what is wrong with my desktop. I cannot use firefox3 or kaffeine to play a DVD.
[01:16] <DarkShinigami> Firefox3 takes quite a while to load.  Your continious "forget me" messages are more likely going to make us remember you.
[01:27] <JohnFlux> Search4Lancer: you might not be able to mount it again
[01:27] <JohnFlux> Ash-Fox: forget who?
[01:27]  * JohnFlux jokes
[01:28] <Denise> freaky lost incompetents
[01:28] <Denise> yeah
[01:28]  * HollowPoint suggests listening to Metallicas new album for ten minutes after a few beers, a bit of head banging, you can forget anything :D
[01:28] <Denise> love ya
[01:29] <MrKennie> ops
[01:29] <Denise> lol
[01:31] <no1peacedragon> beer dont work for me i gotta light a bowl to forget lol, sorta takes headbanging to a new slow mo thang tho lol
[01:35] <|0sts0u|> Anyone a knetworkmanager guru here?
[01:38] <genii> |0sts0u|: Probably just state what the problem is first and then see if anyone knows about the issue
[01:39] <twylight> I'm pretty experienced with knetworkmanager
[01:39] <|0sts0u|> Trying to get my ppp connection to show up in the popup menu from the taskbar. I currently use kppp to start it, but would be nice to have it where it belongs.
[01:40] <twylight> I'm pretty sure knetworkmanager is designed for wireless/ethernet connections, excluding dial-up
[01:40] <twylight> !kpp
[01:40] <|0sts0u|> everytime i configure it through the knetworkmanager settings it never shows up in the dial-up connections.
[01:40] <twylight> !kppp
[01:41] <twylight> you're useless, ubottu
[01:41] <|0sts0u|> lol! darn bots.
[01:41] <twylight> yeah, I'm thinking the best bet is to intergrate kppp into kicker
[01:41] <afeijo> damn, I lost all stuff on kde4 again, wallpaper, icons, deskbar... how to reset?
[01:42] <|0sts0u|> knm actually uses kppp as its backend and the menu is there...
[01:42] <DarkShinigami> Has anyone here had inoperable issues with firefox3?
[01:42] <|0sts0u|> even lets me configure kppp through knm... just never shows up on the menu.
[01:43] <|0sts0u|> already have a kppp quicklaunch, but just trying to simplify. I already have too many things on the bar for this little 15" display.
[01:47] <devran> hii
[01:48] <eee> hiiii
[01:50]  * twylight eats broken glass
[01:50]  * dr_willis hands twylight  a gasoline chaser.
[01:50]  * twylight slams it down
[01:50] <twylight> DELICIOUS
[01:50] <dr_willis> and only $4+ a gallon!
[01:51] <dr_willis> Cheaper then Milk!
[01:52] <mdleyson> hello everybody
[01:52] <ForgeAus> anyone here a fsck wiz?
[01:53] <ForgeAus> I need to know if fixing the large_file support flag will either set the large file support flag or if it will mince/break or otherwise modify my "large" files ?
[01:54] <dr_willis> cant say that ive ever heard of the 'large file support flag'
[01:55] <ForgeAus> or if I can manually set the largefile support flag?
[01:55] <ForgeAus> well this is the error fsck is giving me
[01:55] <ForgeAus> Filesystem contains large files, but lacks LARGE_FILE flag in superblock.
[01:55] <ForgeAus> Fix<y>?
[01:56] <ForgeAus> I'm *NOT* under any circumstances simply going to select y if theres any chance it will mess up my large files
[01:57] <dr_willis> I doubt if it will affect the files... but again.. ive never seen this issue befor.
[01:57] <dr_willis> sounds like the 'fix y' would 'set the flag'
[01:57] <afeijo> how to reset my kde4 plasma?
[01:58] <ForgeAus> yeah I would have assumed that too, I'm just sick of this kinda stuff,
[01:58] <ForgeAus> fsck is never kind to me
[01:58] <ForgeAus> afeijo generally you type killall plasma; plasma
[01:58] <dr_willis> I rarely have issues with linux and filesystems..
[01:58] <ForgeAus> (if in the meantime you can remove the plasma's rc files even better)
[01:58] <dr_willis> I have been pushing my Luck using that IFS thing to get ext2/3 support  under windows. :)
[01:59] <ForgeAus> dr willis ext2ifs I havn't had troubles with, dunno about the filesystem driver on sourceforge tho, its newer and ppl seemed to like it...
[01:59] <ForgeAus> I know its got more bells and whistles
[02:00] <dr_willis> It works decently well.. if you are carefull with it. :) dont hibernate/suspend windows then boot to linux.. the ext2 will still be tagged as in use.. and linux will try to fsck the systems.
[02:00] <dr_willis> also. files with Different CasE namEs can confuse Windows. :)
[02:00] <ForgeAus> well I don't use suspend/hibernate anyway...
[02:00] <dr_willis> and some linux filenames can REALLY confuse windows. :)
[02:01] <ForgeAus> yeah well windows is case InsensItIve
[02:01] <twylight> PlEAse DoN'T tAlK LikE tHis
[02:01] <dr_willis> of course Im constantly getting files/directiorys on my NTFS drives  that windows dont want to delete/remove/rename. :)
[02:01] <ForgeAus> hehe twylight we normally won't it was just a special case
[02:01]  * dr_willis was Making a Point About Different Cases :)
[02:01] <ForgeAus> it is possible to set windows to be case sensitive...
[02:01] <dr_willis> lets all chat in regular expressions@ :)
[02:02] <afeijo> ForgeAus: thanks, lots of lines resulted from that command, but didnt work
[02:02] <ForgeAus> the Interix installer lets you do so, but I don't recommend it
[02:02] <dr_willis> ForgeAus,  never seen that.. I imagine that would cause all sorts of issues.
[02:02] <ForgeAus> its in the registry somewhere
[02:02] <ForgeAus> Dr willis its only if theres a hardcoded path in your program that it becomes an issue
[02:02] <dr_willis> Some how OS-X is case inesentive in the GUI.. but senesitive in the shell. WHich is sort of a neat way to confuse peoples.
[02:02] <ForgeAus> and with good programming practices one shouldn't be hardcoding paths anyway...
[02:02] <dr_willis> Im constantly seeing windows programs that use .JPG instead of .jpg and so forth.
[02:03] <dr_willis> or other annoyances. But thats the windows way.
[02:03] <ForgeAus> yeah OSX has strange case issues
[02:03] <ForgeAus> actually MacOSX terminal is case insensitive
[02:03] <dr_willis> 'a Samba share with Directories with the same Name but differnt cases can cause issues..
[02:04] <dr_willis> It wasent on my old imac.. but that was last out of the closet ages ago.
[02:04] <ForgeAus> unless it was because I "formatted" the disk that way...
[02:04] <ForgeAus> (I just went with the default)
[02:06] <ForgeAus> ironically the tab-completion support is case sensitive
[02:06] <ForgeAus> but the path/filenames arent'
[02:07] <ForgeAus> ie if I cd to /volumes it would enter the directory /Volumes ... but if I used cd vo <tab> it wouldn't complete the name volumes (or Volumes)
[02:07] <ForgeAus> (or /vo<tab> )
[02:08] <ForgeAus> so in essence its case insensitive just that the bash has case sensitive tab completion from what I can tell...
[02:13] <Daisuke_Ido> you can turn off bash's case-sensitive tab completion
[02:14] <ForgeAus> you mean you can turn off the tab completion or you can turn off the case sensitivity of it?
[02:14] <dr_willis> The OS-X i have on my imac - dident even have bash i think.. its that old.
[02:14] <ForgeAus> dr willis I've only used Leo a little I don't know a whole lot about previous osx's
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> ForgeAus: http://www.mactips.org/archives/2005/08/02/case-insensitive-tab-completion/
[02:14] <ForgeAus> IC
[02:15] <ForgeAus> imho it would have made more sense for them to have made that the default :)
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> well, 99% of the time it's running on a filesystem that's case sensitive as well
[02:19] <ForgeAus> oh really? odd I thought the default filesystem was case insensitive (and journalled) for OSX, thats the one that was preselected so I didn't change it...
[02:20] <ForgeAus> at least I think it was case insensitive...
[02:20] <ForgeAus> ok well I guess I have no option but to take a chance on this LARGE_FILE support flag
[02:20] <ForgeAus> answring y now, I wont be happy if this goes badly :(
[02:20] <ForgeAus> fsck is generally unkind to me
[02:21] <ForgeAus> hmm interesting, that seemed relatively harmles
[02:27] <afeijo> I'm using kde4, my wallpaper dont load, anyone knows what to do?
[02:27] <little> Has anyone had any trouble updating libc6-i686 in Kubuntu Hardy Heron?
[02:30] <little> I tried to grab my updates in Kubuntu Hardy Heron LTS today. The updates were not applied, and the reason was that doing so would break libc6-i686. Now my Adept Notifier looks like this: http://littlergirl.googlepages.com/brokenpackage.png
[02:32] <dr_willis> Setting up libc6-i686 (2.7-10ubuntu4) ...
[02:32] <dr_willis>
[02:32] <little> I tried locking the package, and it shows as locked when I do dpkg -s libc6-i686 _ grep Status but Adept Notifier will not apply the rest of my updates, and does not show the package as locked. It's still trying to update it.
[02:32] <dr_willis> it worked here just a few min ago for me little
[02:32] <little> Mine says it's <gasp> broken!
[02:33] <dr_willis> Perhaps try a dist-upgrade? thats a little extreme
[02:33] <little> What will a dist-upgrade do?
[02:33]  * little does not want KDE 4
[02:33] <dr_willis>  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:33] <dr_willis>
[02:33] <dr_willis> it does not install kde4
[02:34] <little> Do you think it might clean up the mess caused by this morning's Adept Notifier mixup?
[02:34] <dr_willis> Ive never quite figured it out.. but it 'upgrades' more vigoursely
[02:34] <dr_willis> things which would not get upgraded..  will often get upgraded and so forth.
[02:34] <dr_willis> it will ask to continue. so you could try it and see i guess.
[02:36] <little> Excellent! I'm getting somewhere: http://paste.ubuntu.com/51123/
[02:36] <little> That got me part of the way. (:
[02:36] <dr_willis> libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-10ubuntu3) but 2.7-10ubuntu4 is installed
[02:36] <|0sts0u|> It will bork if you have locked the kernel version and forced an upgrade on libc6, or if you locked libc6 and forced a kernel upgrade.
[02:36] <dr_willis> Hmm...  PreDepends? thats a new term for me.
[02:36] <little> If you look at that, it shows a few packages (libc6 among them) with unmet dependencies. Do I run apt-get -f install on each one seperately?
[02:37] <little> Ah, okay, I'll unlock libc6 and try it again. (:
[02:37] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get -f install
[02:37] <dr_willis> locked.. oh that may be the whole issue. I never bother locking anyting.. never needed to
[02:37] <|0sts0u|> i believe libc6 is compiled against the current kernel version.
[02:39] <Fraeon_> Does support for multiple monitors still suck in KDE4?
[02:39] <little> Okay, I unlocked libc6-i686 and ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade again with identical results.
[02:39] <little> I locked it because of the error. The error happened first. (:
[02:41] <|0sts0u|> libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-10ubuntu3) but 2.7-10ubuntu4 is installed
[02:41] <|0sts0u|> libc6 is the metapackage
[02:41] <onessimo> Hello!
[02:41] <|0sts0u|> is that locked?
[02:42] <little> w00t! Fixed! I ran sudo apt-get -f install libc6-i686 and all is well. Thank you so much for the help!
[02:44] <|0sts0u|> i hate forcing installs. sometimes the aftereffect of the cure is worse than the original problem. glad that worked though.
[02:45] <|0sts0u|> still means the metapackage has a dependency problem. might want to look into that.
[02:46] <little> How do I look into that?
[02:46] <little> I think something just went screwy during my update this morning.
[02:47] <|0sts0u|> well, what is the version of libc6 currently installed?
[02:47] <little> 2.7-10ubuntu4
[02:47] <|0sts0u|> and not libc6-i686
[02:48] <little> Also 2.7-10ubuntu4
[02:48] <|0sts0u|> that is odd... that error message says it thinks ubuntu3 is installed.
[02:48] <little> I'm doing dpkg -s libc6 and dpkg -s libc6-i686 to get those versions.
[02:48] <little> Ah, the error is over. (:
[02:48] <little> I think...
[02:49] <little> I also opened Adept Notifier and libc6-i686 no longer shows up there as a BROKEN package. (:
[02:51] <|0sts0u|> may have been a glitch... hope it was just temporary.
[02:53] <little> Me too. I haven't had any problems except that. I'm loving Hardy Heron. (:
[02:53] <|0sts0u|> been seemless for me. even on my 4 year old notebook.
[02:53] <little> Yeah, I find it more stable than Gutsy Gibbon, and it seems faster.
[02:54] <twylight> 6.14 is running seamlessly on my 2001 craptop
[02:54] <little> LOL
[02:54] <little> My laptop ran well with Feisty Fawn.
[02:54] <|0sts0u|> gutsy worked fine for me too, but hardy does seem faster. Twylight: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
[02:54] <twylight> precisely
[02:55] <twylight> but when I get a new laptop, this will be used as a server
[02:55] <twylight> I'll have to store the system in the freezer while it's running, because it generates enough heat to make the sun sweat
[02:55] <little> I would have done that, but my laptop is not long for this world, so I use VirtualBox on this desktop instead.
[02:55] <|0sts0u|> I installed hardy on my home server when it first was released, and I just rebooted it last week for a kernel upgrade.
[02:57] <|0sts0u|> been the best darn stable OS I have ever used. ANd I will probably be stuck with it for a while since I am not moving to KDE4 anytime soon.
[02:58] <coreymon77> stable, just wait until something royals on you, best, ya
[02:58] <coreymon77> :P
[02:58] <|0sts0u|> twylight: thought about liquid cooling?
[02:58] <twylight> it's a laptop
[02:59] <twylight> I can't be fucked to take it apart
[02:59] <coreymon77> twylight: wow there
[02:59] <|0sts0u|> only issues I have had to cure was the blasted script kiddies hammering me.
[02:59] <coreymon77> twylight: please watch the language
[02:59] <twylight> wow, only one swearword and I'm being told to watch my language
[02:59] <twylight> are you the language police?
[02:59] <|0sts0u|> Ahh... My laptop runs hot too... I use it in my truck so I just ran a duct from the a/c vent to my mobile base mount
[02:59] <twylight> that's a good idea
[03:00] <coreymon77> nope, its jsut the channel rules
[03:00] <twylight> well it's not up to you to enforce them, so don't, please.
[03:00] <coreymon77> its up to everyone really
[03:00] <|0sts0u|> works great... dropped it from 75c or so down to about 45c
[03:00] <twylight> mine runs at about 45 while idle
[03:01] <twylight> you're the only one complaining coreymon77
[03:01] <coreymon77> what lappy twylight?
[03:01] <twylight> my old IBM thinkpad from 2001
[03:01] <coreymon77> ah
[03:01] <twylight> it's a pentium 3
[03:01] <twylight> been dropped about a hundred times
[03:01] <twylight> the fan's fuxxored
[03:01] <twylight> and the battery is dead
[03:01] <twylight> but it still runs
[03:02] <coreymon77> and youre not getting a new one because
[03:02] <twylight> no dead pixels
[03:02] <twylight> because I'm poor and can barely pay my rent
[03:02] <coreymon77> oh
[03:02] <coreymon77> student?
[03:02] <twylight> I wish.
[03:02] <twylight> kicked out of highschool in grade 10
[03:03] <twylight> lived on the streets for about 3 years
[03:03] <coreymon77> because?
[03:03] <twylight> because my parents decided to charge me with a crime I didn't commit
[03:03] <twylight> and I went to jail
[03:03] <coreymon77> thats impossible
[03:03] <twylight> no, it's possible
[03:03] <coreymon77> youre not 18 in grade 10
[03:03] <twylight> and you're not thinking
[03:04] <twylight> I'm seventeen
[03:04] <coreymon77> so am i
[03:04] <twylight> that's nice
[03:04] <coreymon77> grade 12
[03:04] <twylight> yeah
[03:04] <twylight> this was a while ago and I've only started to get back on my feet
[03:04] <twylight> so seriously, please don't jerk me around
[03:05] <coreymon77> man, either there was a major misunderstanding, or your parents are complete shmecks
[03:05] <|0sts0u|> you want to get your life in check try looking into job corps. Did a wonder for me and eventually landed me in my career.
[03:05] <|0sts0u|> if you are in the states.
[03:05] <twylight> I live in canada.
[03:06] <coreymon77> hey! me too
[03:06] <twylight> corey, I don't know what happened, but my parents didn't like me
[03:06] <twylight> Toronto, Ontario
[03:06] <coreymon77> yup
[03:06] <|0sts0u|> Hmm... americorps up there?
[03:07] <coreymon77> unfortunately :P
[03:08] <|0sts0u|> They do a lot of good. Help out with education and pay you in the process. Have a friend in anchorage with them right now and she is loving it.
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[03:08] <|0sts0u|> that was awful.
[03:09] <coreymon77> you dont need american corporations to do that
[03:09] <coreymon77> canadian companies work just fine
[03:10] <|0sts0u|> I am in the US. Just using them as an example. I'm sure there are pleanty of parallels in canada.
[03:10] <coreymon77> you have no idea
[03:10] <twylight> I'm probably gonna join the reserves soon
[03:11] <twylight> when I'm off probation
[03:11] <coreymon77> wait, we have reserves?
[03:11] <coreymon77> wait, we have an army?
[03:11] <coreymon77> :P
[03:11] <coreymon77> lol
[03:11] <|0sts0u|> I don't know how canadian service works, but in the US you can get the courts to allow service while under supervision.
[03:12] <|0sts0u|> or probation.
[03:14] <|0sts0u|> I was a 3 time convicted felon before I was 21, dropped out my senior year of highschool, and heavy drug user. I pulled myself out and found a career. There are resources out there, just have to find them.
[03:15] <coreymon77> man, ive had a pretty good life
[03:16] <twylight> I still am a heavy drug user
[03:16] <geek_> i'm thinking of running unreal ircd on ubuntu server. i need to have it started when the OS boots up (using an init script), but as a particular user.  anyone knows how to do so?
[03:16] <twylight> I'm cutting back, but still
[03:17] <coreymon77> geek_: sorry, no idea, wait a bit and maybe someone else will know, or maybe give google a try
[03:18] <geek_> coreymon77: yeah, i'll ask again tommorrow if no one knows. I really should try the main ubuntu channel. oops ;p
[03:18] <little> Just curious, but can you run it as a user from the command line, and just put the script that does it in the autostart folder?
[03:20] <vasilisa> Maybe you guys can help me.
[03:21] <little> What do you need, vasilisa?
[03:21] <vasilisa> why is my gateway <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS> like it was, and why wont knetwork manager let me change it?
[03:21] <vasilisa> o,o
[03:22] <vasilisa> something tells me my modem's ip address should not be my default gateway
[03:22] <dr_willis> geek_,  you could run it from rc.local  instead of an init script. Or check the !upstart guide on how the ubuntu init system works
[03:22] <little> Did you log in in Administrator Mode?
[03:22] <geek_> dr_willis: ahh
[03:22] <vasilisa> well knetworkmanager forces root anyway
[03:22] <geek_> !upstart
[03:23] <vasilisa> ipaddr used to say next to "inet" : <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:23] <vasilisa> i want it to say that again
[03:23] <little> Try kcontrol
[03:23] <dr_willis> normally somthing started by init.. dosent run as a user. many services have their own 'special' user they run as.. but it depends on the service I guess
[03:24] <little> Or kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces and then manually change it in there.
[03:24] <vasilisa> ok but i dont really know what to set stuff
[03:24] <vasilisa> i tried all that, but "ip addr" still lists my ip next to "inet"
[03:24] <little> What kind of setup do you have?
[03:24] <vasilisa> Comcast comes in to a linksys which goes to a wireless/wired router. Im directly wired to said router
[03:24] <vasilisa> comcast->linksys->netgear->me
[03:25] <little> Is the router's address <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:25] <vasilisa> that is ALWAYS the address of these routers
[03:26] <vasilisa> for example, my computer was <IP_ADDRESS> and setting the router was <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:26] <vasilisa> every tutorial i googled used that address, so it must be standard
[03:26] <little> It is, but some of them are exceptions to the standard. (:
[03:26] <tico> hello I'm trying to use limewire on ubuntu but for some reason it doesn't want to connect, I tried using it under vmware with xp and works fine
[03:27] <little> What does your /etc/network/interfaces file look like?
[03:27] <vasilisa> little: Okay, what is "inet" anyway
[03:27] <vasilisa> hold on
[03:27] <vasilisa> #pastebin
[03:27] <vasilisa> !pastebin
[03:27] <little> No idea. I don't find any reference to inet in either kcontrol's network settings or in /etc/network/interfaces. Maybe it got put there by some other program.
[03:28] <little> Where aare you seeing inet?
[03:28] <little> Oh, never mind.  It's in the interfaces file. (:
[03:28] <vasilisa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/51135/
[03:28] <vasilisa> if i set the address field to <IP_ADDRESS> my internet stops working
[03:29] <little> Is that netmask correct? Mine is <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:29] <vasilisa> there are several netmasks , i dont think it matters much
[03:29] <little> Yes, that's as it should be. The address field is the IP of your entire network. <IP_ADDRESS> is how your router is known internally.
[03:29] <dr_willis> for a local home lan. <IP_ADDRESS> is normal
[03:29] <vasilisa> oh ok...
[03:30] <little> Try backing up the /etc/network/interfaces file and changing the gateway to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:30] <vasilisa> well im still on
[03:30] <little> That shouldn't be your external IP.
[03:30] <little> You can make the change while you're on.
[03:31] <vasilisa> i mean, i did it and the net still works
[03:31] <little> Gotta restart networking. (:
[03:31] <vasilisa> but when i ping <IP_ADDRESS> i get no response
[03:31] <vasilisa> i did
[03:31] <little> After changing /etc/network/interfaces?
[03:31] <vasilisa> yep
[03:32] <vasilisa> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:32] <little> What happens if you type <IP_ADDRESS> into the browser?
[03:32] <vasilisa> says "connecting" and sits there
[03:32] <vasilisa> :(
[03:33] <little> Hmmm... Might have to reboot. I know that's not something us Linux users should say, but I find that sometimes when it comes to networking, there are Gremlins that iron themselves out on reboots. (:
[03:33] <vasilisa> alright, brb
[03:33] <little> <IP_ADDRESS> should be accessing your router.
[03:33] <little> Good luck!
[03:36]  * little is beginning to worry about vasilisa
[03:40] <dr_willis> sounds almost like the wires on thenetwork got moved around
[03:40] <dr_willis> and the pc is going straight to the internet, not the router
[03:41] <little> Unless maybe that netmask really was correct the way it was.
[03:41] <little> But the gateway was definitely wrong.
[03:42] <little> Is it even possible to bypass a router?
[03:42] <dr_willis> on my setup     ISP's Gateway ---> Routers IP   Gate way set to the isp GW.   -  lan ip = <IP_ADDRESS> ---<----- Other machines use <IP_ADDRESS> as their gateway.
[03:43] <dr_willis> little,  if someone messed with the wires. :)
[03:43] <dr_willis> they couldent even ping the router could they?
[03:43] <little> No, that just said connecting. I'm thinking she (he?) had the address of the router wrong, maybe.
[03:44] <little> I have a Linksys, too, and they do use <IP_ADDRESS> by default, but maybe that's one of those rare exceptions.
[03:44] <vasilisa> well i can only use the net when i have dhcp on :/
[03:44] <little> vasilisa: Welcome back!
[03:44] <vasilisa> "{
[03:44] <vasilisa> :)
[03:44] <little> You just lost me. (:
[03:45] <vasilisa> lol
[03:45] <little> My knowledge of networking only goes so far. (:
[03:45] <vasilisa> in other words, when it autodetects
[03:45] <dr_willis> ive seen them use 192.168.0.* ALSO
[03:45] <little> Linksys?
[03:45] <vasilisa> yep
[03:46] <dr_willis> how many other machines are on the lan?
[03:46] <little> Ah yes, me too. That's a Linksys thing, I think. It's okay. You can still specify a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces.
[03:46] <vasilisa> AHA my inet was <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:46] <little> That's by design, so that if a friend brought a laptop over and plugged into your router, they could log on instantly instead of having to fiddle around.
[03:47] <dr_willis> if your home network is using the 192.168.0.* range. :) thats fine..
[03:47] <vasilisa> well now its back to <IP_ADDRESS> :(
[03:47] <vasilisa> otheriwse the net doesnt work
[03:47] <dr_willis> that sounds like the machine is getting the ip from the ISP's DHCP server.
[03:48] <vasilisa> X_X
[03:48] <dr_willis> becuse from what ic an tell from the irc /whois stuff that IS your isp's assigned ip to you
[03:48] <vasilisa> >.<
[03:48] <dr_willis> You sure someone hasent messed with your wires lately?
[03:48] <little> vasilisa: Do you know how to check for available IPs within the internal network?
[03:49] <vasilisa> little: no...
[03:49] <vasilisa> dr_willis: only me lol
[03:49] <little> http://littlergirl.googlepages.com/StaticLANIPHowTo.html
[03:49] <little> One thing I do know how to do. (:
[03:49] <dr_willis> I would double check.. it seems very odd that  machine is bypassing the router.. OR it may be set to be a DMZ machine.. but that dosent make sence either.
[03:49] <little> Once you find out which IPs are available internally and pick one, you can assign that as your static IP.
[03:50] <dr_willis> How many machines are on this lan and connected to the router? Just the 1?
[03:50] <vasilisa> *facepalms* <IP_ADDRESS> just laods and loads, doesnt do anything
[03:50] <vasilisa> Also, when i DID have my router login pop up, none of the passwords the site said worked!
[03:50] <little> That should be bringing up your router.
[03:50] <vasilisa> Which is why ive been doing all this
[03:51] <vasilisa> i know it should, but it doesnt
[03:51] <little> Linksys ship without a password by default.
[03:51] <vasilisa> it doesnt matter right now, i cant even get the login page to come up
[03:51] <little> Try <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:52] <vasilisa> thats just my local apache server
[03:52] <vasilisa> localhost
[03:52] <little> I'd keep going through the numbers. (:
[03:52] <vasilisa> 0-10 all fial
[03:53] <vasilisa> <IP_ADDRESS> worked a second ago - but the net itself wouldnt work
[03:53] <vasilisa> that was before i turned auto mode on
[03:53] <little> I get a Background and Foreground query if I go to your IP with my browser. (:
[03:53] <vasilisa> Yep
[03:53] <vasilisa> thats me testing php
[03:53] <dr_willis> nmap the whole lan. :)
[03:53] <little> It's working. (:
[03:53] <vasilisa> i was mad because no one could access it remotely before
[03:54] <vasilisa> yeah, but you're going DIRECTLY to my personal ip
[03:54] <vasilisa> im not firewalled right now :(
[03:54] <enzo_> I am looking for an app to help with animation. I am open to either drawing frame by frame, using provided characters, or other options for the usage of the app. What do you recommend?
[03:54] <little> I'm a good girl. (:
[03:54] <vasilisa> enzo_: im working on one >,< lol!
[03:54] <little> LOL
[03:54] <vasilisa> www.vasilisagames.coj
[03:54] <enzo_> vasilisa: LOL
[03:54] <vasilisa> m
[03:54] <vasilisa> .com not .coj
[03:54] <vasilisa> its the video :D
[03:55] <|0sts0u|> enzo: gimp has an animation addon
[03:55] <vasilisa> see im not totally a non-geek, i just dont get networks
[03:56] <|0sts0u|> called gimp-gap
[03:56] <vasilisa> at least my apache server can be accessed now
[03:57] <vasilisa> aha
[03:57] <vasilisa> so inet is the ip address of eth0
[03:57] <vasilisa> and it was... <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:58] <vasilisa> i may lose connection but im going to set it
[03:58]  * dr_willis still thinks it sounds like some crossed wires
[03:58] <dr_willis> or some VERY weird router configs
[03:59] <vasilisa> actually
[03:59] <vasilisa> i wonder
[03:59] <little> inet for me is my internal static IP
[03:59] <dr_willis> isp -> wan port on router --> ROUTER --> lan ports on router ---> pc :)
[04:00] <little> vasilisa needs to find her router first. (:
[04:00] <dr_willis> you dont have any hubs or other gizmos on the lan?
[04:00] <dr_willis> ISP ----> Hub --- Router and pc     = bad. :)
[04:00] <little> LOL
[04:01] <little> Can't you just assign the hub a static IP?
[04:01] <vasilisa> did i lose you guys
[04:01] <enzo_> |0sts0u|: How does it work? Do I need to draw, use pre-defined characters?
[04:02] <vasilisa> :(
[04:02] <dr_willis> pre-defined characters ? huh?
[04:02] <dr_willis> It takes  lots of still images.. and makes a animation of them. :)
[04:02] <little> enzo: How about http://www.les-stooges.org/pascal/pencil/index.php?id=Home
[04:03] <|0sts0u|> I am not an animator. I just have heard about it and thought I would throw the name out. Might check out http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Using_GAP/
[04:04] <enzo_> dr_willis: pre-defined characters are items/people/objects/etc that are provided to you for you to animate to your liking.
[04:04] <enzo_> little: Thank you.
[04:04] <dr_willis> You mean 'clipart' ? :)
[04:04] <enzo_> |0sts0u|: Ok, will do.
[04:05] <enzo_> dr_willis: Something like that
[04:05] <vasilisa> i think i did it...
[04:06] <dr_willis> its because comcast hates you vasilisa  :P
[04:06] <vasilisa> im still on the net, my address is back to <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:06] <vasilisa> dr_willis: they throttle me enoygh
[04:06] <dr_willis> Ive not really noticed any throttling.
[04:06] <little> enzo: You're welcome.
[04:06] <vasilisa> oh i get it a lot
[04:06] <vasilisa> but its on the seeding side
[04:07] <dr_willis> I tend to keep my torrents  uploads at around 10-30k/s :)
[04:07] <vasilisa> wow
[04:07] <vasilisa> people will upload for me for 10 secs then comcast cuts them off
[04:07] <vasilisa> its lame
[04:07] <dr_willis> i also use the scheduler to  only enable it at late hours
[04:08] <vasilisa> why cant i access my router!? GROOOOOOOOWL
[04:08] <vasilisa> it doesnt even ping
[04:09] <dr_willis> can you ping other machines on the net?
[04:09] <dr_willis> can they ping the router? each other?
[04:09] <|0sts0u|> you didnt disable http access or require https on it, did you?
[04:09] <vasilisa> i can browse the web fine.
[04:09] <dr_willis> thats not what we asked. :)
[04:09] <vasilisa> ...oh wait
[04:10] <vasilisa> yes i can ping google
[04:10] <dr_willis> can other machines on the lan ping each other and the router? not google..
[04:10] <vasilisa> i dunno, they're all off and i dont know her password
[04:11] <vasilisa> i can ping my external ip :D
[04:11] <dr_willis> its 'password' :)
[04:11] <vasilisa> no, the box doesnt even come up
[04:11] <vasilisa> and even when it did, password didnt work
[04:12] <|0sts0u|> what model router is the linksys. Some use 192.168.15.*
[04:12] <vasilisa> well im directly plugged into the netgear actually, so what did pop up was login for WPN824v2
[04:12] <|0sts0u|> or even 192.168.120.* for some old linksys ones
[04:12] <enzo_> little: Thanks for the Pencil tip. I think that's the route I'll use.
[04:12] <vasilisa> shouldnt the address show up in ifconfig
[04:13] <enzo_> vasilisa: This is the first time I've heard of someone not being able to ping their own router; moreso that it's evident that you are online.
[04:13] <vasilisa> enzo_: Yeah i think i really messed up bad
[04:13] <enzo_> |0sts0u|: Linksys now uses 192.168.1.*
[04:13] <little> enzo: Glad to hear it. It does look interesting. (:
[04:14] <vasilisa> something's just not right
[04:14] <little> vasilisa: Do you have the booklet that came with the router?
[04:14] <|0sts0u|> yeah i know, but my voip router (only 6mos old) linksys still uses 15
[04:14] <vasilisa> little: No, girlfriend threw everything away. i already got on her case for that :P
[04:14] <enzo_> vasilisa: I have a Linksys router. I changed the default information for the routing and all, but I can always see my router.
[04:14] <enzo_> vasilisa: What is your model. It should be online.
[04:14] <vasilisa> could this have anything to do iwth the fact that im connected to a netgear, which is then connected to the router?
[04:15] <little> vasilisa: Off with her head. (:
[04:15] <enzo_> vasilisa: Yes
[04:15] <|0sts0u|> your router address will be the same as the gateway address in most cases. unless you have 2 routers
[04:15] <|0sts0u|> yes
[04:15] <enzo_> vasilisa: ISP <-> Linksys <-> Netgear <-> You?
[04:16] <dr_willis> 2 routers? hmm.. normally a router  can be set to just work as a hub.
[04:16] <vasilisa> enzo: yes
[04:16] <vasilisa> befcmu10?
[04:16] <dr_willis> 2+ dhcp servers on the same lan.. can cause  quirks. :)
[04:16] <enzo_> If that's the setup, question number one is "What the deuce?" followed by "why?"
[04:16] <vasilisa> i think thats my router number
[04:17] <vasilisa> enzo: Because the linksys only has 1 port ?
[04:17] <enzo_> vasilisa: You can get an 8-port with wireless if necessary (my next step if things go in their current direction)
[04:17] <enzo_> vasilisa: Why does your Linksys have 1 port? No much of a router if it has one in and one out.
[04:17] <|0sts0u|> is the linksys a router or a cable modem?
[04:18] <vasilisa> enzo: OH its a cable modem :D
[04:18] <vasilisa> ok, so the cable modem goes to the netgear router
[04:18] <vasilisa> which then leads to her computer and mine
[04:18] <enzo_> |0sts0u|: you win the grand prize!
[04:18] <dr_willis> So its not a linksys router at all.......
[04:18] <dr_willis> :)
[04:18] <vasilisa> >.>
[04:19] <vasilisa> soooooooooooooooooooooooooo im doing it wrong
[04:19] <enzo_> Yes
[04:19] <vasilisa> drat
[04:19] <little> Aha!
[04:19] <enzo_> You want to get your Netgear's IP (which is your gateway) and ping that.
[04:19] <vasilisa> ohhh
[04:19] <|0sts0u|> lol!
[04:19] <enzo_> By default, it should end in 1. I believe their default configuration is <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:21] <vasilisa> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Netgear/WPN824v2/Limewire.htm
[04:21] <vasilisa> nope, it should be <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:22] <enzo_> Ok
[04:22] <enzo_> So what's the issue you're having with your Netgear router?
[04:22] <vasilisa> i cant ping it , or access it at all
[04:22] <vasilisa> <IP_ADDRESS> loads... forever
[04:23] <enzo_> Open Konsole
[04:23] <enzo_> "ifconfig" and see what you get for your gateway
[04:23] <vasilisa> thats the inet?
[04:23] <vasilisa> my external ip
[04:23] <vasilisa> o.o
[04:24] <enzo_> inet addr is your own IP
[04:24] <vasilisa> oh ok
[04:24] <vasilisa> so its correct
[04:24] <vasilisa> BCast is <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:24] <enzo_> If it is external, then you are not going through a router. Seems that you are hardwired for your modem.
[04:24] <vasilisa> no, im connected to the router
[04:25] <vasilisa> i just said external cuz i dont know what im talking about
[04:25] <|0sts0u|> what does your inet address say?
[04:25] <vasilisa> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:25] <vasilisa> you can use that to enter my apache server :/
[04:25] <|0sts0u|> that is an external ip
[04:25] <vasilisa> ok
[04:25] <enzo_> You are not going through your router
[04:25] <vasilisa> @_@ but im connected to the router!
[04:25] <|0sts0u|> is that what ifconfig says for inet ip?
[04:25] <vasilisa> yes
[04:26] <anger_> br
[04:26] <anger_> !br
[04:26] <anger_> Portuguese
[04:26] <vasilisa> so im connected to my router, but im not using it?
[04:26] <enzo_> I don't think you're going through your router. Follow your line. Does it go through your router before it hits the modem?
[04:27] <little> That inet shouldn't work. (:
[04:27] <vasilisa> yes, it goes directly from my computer into the back of the router
[04:27] <vasilisa> then the router has its own wire leading to the modem
[04:27] <|0sts0u|> then your router is not routing and just passing directly to you.
[04:27] <vasilisa> :<
[04:27] <|0sts0u|> the router is not active and acting as a hub.
[04:28] <vasilisa> how do i fix that?
[04:28] <|0sts0u|> hard reset the router. Then you have to redo your port forwarding or dmz configs.
[04:29] <vasilisa> is there anything i should do on this computer's settings before hard reset?
[04:29] <|0sts0u|> what model is the router?
[04:29] <vasilisa> Netgear WPN824v2
[04:30] <|0sts0u|> Are you using dynamic addressing on your PC and all the others on your lan?
[04:30] <vasilisa> dhpc is dynamic right
[04:31] <enzo_> yes
[04:31] <vasilisa> because i turned it off
[04:31] <vasilisa> iface eth0 inet static
[04:31] <vasilisa> so i guess im static
[04:31] <vasilisa> : )
[04:32] <|0sts0u|> you set your IP to static at that external IP you gave?
[04:32] <vasilisa> nope: address <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:32] <vasilisa> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:32]  * enzo_ wonders why the gateway is set to .254
[04:33] <vasilisa> ?
[04:33] <|0sts0u|> I would set your PC back to dhcp/dynamic, reset the router...
[04:33] <vasilisa> because some internet guide said to
[04:33]  * dr_willis has totally missed the original problem. :)
[04:33] <vasilisa> oh ok
[04:33] <|0sts0u|> then start over with your settings.
[04:33]  * enzo_ never knew the orginal problem :p
[04:33] <|0sts0u|> <IP_ADDRESS> should not be a valid gateway
[04:34] <|0sts0u|> unless you manually set your router config to that
[04:34] <twylight> it should always be <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:34] <twylight> shouldn't it?
[04:34] <|0sts0u|> end in 1 anyhow
[04:34] <vasilisa> okay dhcp mode is on. will i need to reboot my computer?
[04:34] <|0sts0u|> you changed config? and it didnt disconnect you?
[04:35] <vasilisa> no... i just went to knetworkmanager
[04:35] <vasilisa> and switched manual to dhcp
[04:35] <vasilisa> i think it briefly disconnected me, but not long enough for me to timeout
[04:35] <|0sts0u|> wow.
[04:35] <dr_willis> I dont think it  did that...
[04:35] <enzo_> twylight: gateways end in .1 I don't think anything ends in .0
[04:35] <dr_willis> .0 would be the whole lan wouldent it?
[04:35] <vasilisa> well you guys were all quiet for a moment, then i got a flood of text
[04:35] <enzo_> twylight: Matter of fact, nothing ends in .0 for IPs. It's from 1-255
[04:36] <vasilisa> so id say i was dissed
[04:36] <twylight> localhost ends in 0
[04:36] <twylight> I think
[04:36] <twylight> no it doesn't
[04:36] <dr_willis> <IP_ADDRESS>  - :) no it dont
[04:36] <enzo_> twylight: <IP_ADDRESS> :)
[04:36] <vasilisa> ok brb
[04:36] <vasilisa> hard reset tiem
[04:36] <dr_willis> 'want a fast quake server! try <IP_ADDRESS>' :)
[04:36] <enzo_> vasilisa: Best of luck. See you soon... hopefully
[04:36] <enzo_> LOL @ dr_willis
[04:37] <|0sts0u|> I would leave the pc at dhcp, hard reset the router (look in the manual or I can see if I have it in my docs) then start over with dmz or port forwarding
[04:37] <enzo_> I would hard reset, leave DMZ alone, do necessary port forwarding... call it a night.
[04:37] <enzo_> Or day
[04:38] <|0sts0u|> yeah. dmz only if it is the only option. dmz is dangerous.
[04:38] <enzo_> |0sts0u|: I leave DMZ alone on my router. No need.
[04:39]  * little thinks she probably doesn't want to know that DMZ is.
[04:39] <|0sts0u|> only ports you should need to forward are your servers that need external access.
[04:39] <enzo_> I have a few ports forwarded for my home network, but it's only for the minor things like the Public File Server I setup on my laptop and the other for my torrents.
[04:39] <enzo_> Yup
[04:40] <|0sts0u|> only other thing is once you have it all set up you might want to reset your pc that you have ports forwarded to as static.
[04:40] <little> Good night all. I hope everything works out for vasilisa!
[04:40] <enzo_> DMZ... Drown My Zebra? LOL
[04:41] <|0sts0u|> saves a headache when a lease expires and changes your dhcp address
[04:41] <enzo_> I've hardly cared for static.
[04:42] <vasilisa> ok i did all that ya said
[04:42] <enzo_> I am using all 4 ports right now on my router; desktop, 2 laptops and a printer. If I get anything else, I'm going for an 8-port wireless router.
[04:42] <twylight> DMZ: Don't Mess Zis up
[04:43] <enzo_> DMZ - Da Mighty Zoo!
[04:43] <vasilisa> well at least my local <IP_ADDRESS> works... losts my localhost
[04:43] <vasilisa> but <IP_ADDRESS> does NOT prompt me
[04:43] <twylight> I love nmap
[04:43] <twylight> and nslookup
[04:43] <enzo_> Check your gateway. It should be with .1
[04:44] <enzo_> twylight: I agree. Nmap is a great tool
[04:44] <twylight> and the frontend for it just makes it so much more convienient
[04:44] <vasilisa> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:44] <vasilisa> lol
[04:44] <enzo_> twylight: Are you using the GUI version?
[04:44] <twylight> if I don't have time to dick around with command line BS
[04:44] <twylight> yes
[04:45] <enzo_> twylight: I always prefer CLI when possible
[04:45] <vasilisa> actually <IP_ADDRESS> seems like its right, its just not returning my pings
[04:45] <dr_willis> i just got some nmap alias's/scripts that do 90% of all the things i need. :)
[04:45] <dr_willis> scan local lan, and a few other cases.. thta way i dont have to rember all the options
[04:45] <twylight> to each their own, I've never been much of one for operating programs using command line interfaces
[04:45] <twylight> but when need be, I will do it
[04:45] <twylight> I've always got a console window open, you?
[04:45] <vasilisa> i like command line ok
[04:45] <dr_willis> Just 1 ? :)
[04:46] <vasilisa> its like any other
[04:46] <vasilisa> interface
[04:46] <twylight> well, usually six or seven
[04:46] <enzo_> I was visitng family for Labor Day weekend and decided to use nmap on a winXP system. Oddest thing.. you can't scan yourself like in Linux.
[04:46] <dr_willis> Heh..
[04:46] <enzo_> twylight: I have Yakuake. It's always there at startup.
[04:46] <|0sts0u|> I use yakuake. Always have a terminal at my f12 key.
[04:47] <enzo_> |0sts0u|: It's a godsend, it's it?
[04:47] <|0sts0u|> yes it is. couldn't do without it.
[04:47] <enzo_> Wow. No idea what happened there, but that was to be "Isn't it?"
[04:47] <twylight> I've got konsole mapped to ctrl+alt+shift+k
[04:47] <twylight> first thing I do when I do a fresh install
[04:47] <vasilisa> my console is ctrl-alt-t
[04:48] <vasilisa> i hit it a lot
[04:48] <enzo_> twylight: Yakuake... one key F12
[04:48] <twylight> I use f12 for other shit
[04:48] <|0sts0u|> and tabbed terminals
[04:48] <enzo_> Always there, always ready
[04:48] <geek_> twylight: you can configure the key
[04:48] <vasilisa> so um
[04:48] <twylight> I know, but I use it for other stuff
[04:48] <vasilisa> what should i do now, since i still cant ping my router :<
[04:48] <knic> yesterday I upgraded firefox on 8.04 64bit, and now it segfaults when starting
[04:49] <twylight> I play a lot of elite 2
[04:49] <enzo_> vasilisa: Then you do not know your router's IP. Find your router's IP and then ping it.
[04:49] <twylight> so f12 is kinda important
[04:49] <enzo_> twylight: You can change it from F12 to anything you like.
[04:49] <vasilisa> enzo_: but the gateway isnt it, and the website's suggestion doesnt work
[04:49] <vasilisa> <IP_ADDRESS> is what the model says to use
[04:49] <enzo_> Did you hard reset the router?
[04:50] <vasilisa> enzo_: yes
[04:50] <vasilisa> enzo_: pulled the plug, then hit the reset button while it was coming back on. three times
[04:50] <twylight> enzo_: I prefer my ctrl+alt+shift+k like I always use
[04:50] <enzo_> vasilisa: Nevermind the manual. The hard reset should give you a router ending with .1
[04:50] <|0sts0u|> just now?
[04:50] <enzo_> vasilisa: Press and hold the reset button for 10-15 seconds; 30 to be honest.
[04:50] <|0sts0u|> you just hard reset?  Long shot, you may have to restart your computer, but that's very rare.
[04:53] <|0sts0u|> this whole deal has been a good arguement for dd-wrt on a wrt54g
[04:54] <enzo_> I have had/used my router since December 28, 2005. Coming up on 3 years now.
[04:54] <vasilisa> did all that was said
[04:55] <enzo_> Matter of fact, that was also my last speeding ticket. Rushing home to get it installed because I had a major project to complete.
[04:55] <vasilisa> no response....
[04:55] <enzo_> vasilisa: You dropped for about a second.
[04:55] <vasilisa> i had both the modem and the router UNPLUGGED for 20 seconds
[04:55] <vasilisa> maybe i just took a while to drop?
[04:56] <enzo_> vasilisa: Probably. Did you hold down the reset button?
[04:56] <vasilisa> no i just unplugged them that time
[04:56] <enzo_> You need to reset. In which case, you didn't follow the provided instructions for resetting your router.
[04:57] <vasilisa> i got "turn off router, turn off modem, turn on modem, turn on router"
[04:58] <twylight> wait about a minute between turning on modem and turning on router
[04:58] <vasilisa> should knetworkmanager be off?
[04:59] <|0sts0u|> to reset your router: (from netgear) 1. Press the reset button on the back until the test light blinks. This takes about 10 seconds. (To avoid accidental resets, the small button is recessed. Use a pen or paperclip to access it.)
[04:59] <|0sts0u|> 2. Release the button.
[04:59] <|0sts0u|> 3. Wait for the router to reboot.
[05:00] <vasilisa> |0sts0u|: Okay, ive done that quite a bit
[05:01] <vasilisa> well im done worrying for today
[05:01] <|0sts0u|> you may have a borked router. a hard reset should reset to factory defaults.
[05:01] <vasilisa> we'll see what happens after i leave it off ALL NIGHT
[05:01] <vasilisa> thansk guys
[05:01] <|0sts0u|> I wish you luck
[05:02] <|0sts0u|> ghost in the machine.
[05:03]  * twylight sings
[05:06] <deokanon> hey guys... do you know if sometimes linux can cause booting problems because the system cannot read the hard drive
[05:09] <|0sts0u|> deokanon: yes. what errors are you getting?
[05:10] <deokanon> basically i cannot read from the hard drive... i have winxp and ubuntu installed
[05:10] <deokanon> well... not exaclty... sometiems the system can read the hard drive and sometimes it doesnt
[05:11] <|0sts0u|> is XP able to boot?
[05:11] <deokanon> im trying to find out what could possibly cause the problem
[05:11] <deokanon> i know for a fact that sometimes i am able to get to the list of OS installed
[05:12] <|0sts0u|> That sounds like a possible Master Boot Record problem.
[05:13] <|0sts0u|> if it is intermittent like that it may just be a cabling problem to the drive. Or even could be a fluctuating power supply on your system.
[05:13] <|0sts0u|> Will the system boot properly off of a bootable CD, like the ubuntu install CD?
[05:13] <deokanon> i dont think there is a problem with the power supply
[05:14] <deokanon> bios detects the hard drive with no problem
[05:14] <deokanon> it's just when it's loading that the booting system fails
[05:14] <|0sts0u|> how far does it get before it fails?
[05:15] <mr---t-> all the way to the failure I guess lol
[05:16] <|0sts0u|> well, is it giving you ubuntu splash screen or does it even get past the bootloader (operating system choices)?
[05:19] <|0sts0u|> guess he decided to leave! maybe I should turn on my join/part messages  lol
[05:29] <twylight> WHAT THE FUCK IS THS SHIT
[05:29] <twylight> *THIS
[05:30] <mr---t-> !language
[05:30] <Daisuke_Ido> !language
[05:30] <Daisuke_Ido> just a little late
[05:30] <mr---t-> good thought tho
[05:30] <twylight> yeah that time I overdid it
[05:31] <twylight> allow me to rephrase that
[05:31] <twylight> what the FORK is this SHIFT
[05:31] <twylight> now I sound like a douche, but at least it's family friendly
[05:32] <mackike> hi
[05:33] <mr---t-> !hi
[05:34] <mackike> thanks
[05:35] <mackike> i want get help i have a web cam  d-link dsb-c120    and don"t know  how  install it  in kubuntu 8.04
[05:36] <mackike> anyone can help me  and tell me the command for  do it
[05:37] <twylight> english isn't your native language, is it?
[05:37] <mackike> no
[05:37] <mackike> spanish
[05:38] <twylight> !spanish
[05:38] <mackike> ok
[05:38] <mackike> gracias
[05:38] <twylight> it'll be easier for you and us
[05:38] <mackike> pero usted me ayudaria con eso?
[05:38] <twylight> I don't speak spanish
[05:38] <mackike> ok
[05:38] <twylight> french ( a little ) and english
[05:39] <mackike> oh  ok
[05:47] <mn> mackike, tal vez se puedo ayudar ud.
[05:48] <twylight> [12:40] <-- mackike has left this server ("Konversation terminated!").
[05:49] <mn> oh
[05:49] <mn> I don't see that
[05:49] <Mrunagi> anyone heard of a problem with x restarting after putting in your password at login?
[05:50] <enzo_> Mrunagi: Yes. Check the disc space. You may be at 100%. That's what happened with me once.
[05:50] <Mrunagi> oooooooh
[05:50] <Mrunagi> probably then
[05:50] <Mrunagi> cuz that drive is rather full
[05:51] <snyh> "drive is rahter full"?  what's the meaning
[05:52] <Mrunagi> lol 0 bytes left
[05:53] <Mrunagi> interesting
[05:55] <enzo_> That's going to be your issue
[05:55] <enzo_> You have to free up some space
[05:56] <Fargh> yep, use livecd to login, mount drives and free the space
[05:56] <enzo_> Sorry if I don't respond quickly. I'm playing Madden '09 on my PSP. Quite addictive after a while.
[05:56] <twylight> rm -rf /home
[05:57] <twylight> no, don't do that
[05:57] <twylight> one time I chmodded chmod to 555
[05:57] <enzo_> twylight: What the deuce???
[05:57] <twylight> yeah
[05:57] <enzo_> twylight: Why would you want to remove /home ?
[05:57] <twylight> that's why I said don't do that.
[05:57] <enzo_> You'd delete everything he has stored along with users.
[05:57] <enzo_> Ok
[05:57] <Fargh> how can he execute the command if he cant login ?
[05:58] <twylight> that means he can't take my bad advice
[05:58] <twylight> which turns out to be good in the long run
[05:58] <twylight> do a console login
[05:59] <enzo_> Fargh: twylight: He can use the LiveCD/DVD and get in there to remove items and space. Upon doing so, Mrunagi would do some damage with the removal of the /home directory.
[05:59] <enzo_> twylight: You can't login at all
[05:59] <twylight> yeah, if I give advice this late at night
[06:00] <twylight> do yourself a favor and do the opposite
[06:00] <twylight> or nothing at all
[06:00] <twylight> but yeah, one time I chmodded chmod to 555
[06:00] <enzo_> Ouch
[06:01] <enzo_> Could have been worse. Could have chmod'd to 777
[06:01] <twylight> that's fixable
[06:01] <twylight> everyone can read, write and view
[06:01] <twylight> that means you can put it back
[06:01] <twylight> 555 means nobody can touch it
[06:01] <twylight> which means I completely broke the permissions
[06:05] <enzo_> sudo is your friend
[06:06] <enzo_> If it can be done, it can be undone.
[06:07] <twylight> it was a virtual machine I did it on
[06:07] <twylight> I just reset it
[06:08] <twylight> hey, what do I have to install to get the extra screensavers?
[06:09] <enzo_> Find the other screensaver you want to install and install it
[06:12] <DarkriftX> anyone know how to force ff3 updates?
[06:12] <DarkriftX> the check for updates option is greyed out in about
[06:12] <DarkriftX> and i have updates enabled in prefs
[06:12] <inaety> How can I send SMS messages on kopete?
[06:13] <enzo_> inaety: You might want to ask in #kopete
[06:13] <twylight> I don't think kopete even has that capability
[06:14] <inaety> enzo_: true, thanks
[06:17] <Uricio> buenas noches
[06:17] <Uricio> desde uruguay
[06:19] <twylight> ENGLISH
[06:19] <twylight> we speak ENGLISH here
[06:20] <inaety> twylight: it does.  there is a plugin called SMSsend but idk how to configure it.  and I hate sending texts from AIM
[06:21] <twylight> well I have no idea how it works, I don't deal with SMS because carriers charge money for recieving messages here
[06:21] <inaety> Well, on my phone I have unlimited, sending or recieving.  I think I need to tell kopete my account, but i honestly don't know the account name
[06:42] <DarkriftX> anyone know how to control the width of a panel added to the side of your screen?
[06:44] <Daisuke_Ido> 3 or 4?
[06:46] <DarkriftX> 3
[06:46] <DarkriftX> sry
[07:06] <twylight> I am going to bed
[07:06] <twylight> it's 2 AM
[07:07] <twylight> i've been up since 6 am
[07:07] <twylight> that's nearly 24 hours
[07:07] <twylight> twylight: uptime 20 hours
[07:07] <twylight> sudo shutdown -t now
[07:21] <vbgunz> whats up with openoffice? jre is always defective. anyone know how to fix this error once and for all? if it helps, I have sun-java6-jre installed *but* openoffice java options show nothing in the list
[07:31] <vbgunz> damn... I deleted the .open...Linux86 file and that doesn't work. I deleted the entire .openoffice dir at ~ and nothing... I reinstalled java, whats going on? this is a brand new installation but as far as I am concerned I've always been plagued with this... never bothered me till now
[07:39] <vbgunz> solved it with apt-get install openoffice.org
[08:33] <tstaerk__> hi, how can I change the screen resolution?
[09:03] <shepherd> #chemistry
[09:10] <andypls1> does anyone know why chmod doens't work?
[09:10] <andypls1> chmod  o+r file doesn't sets the permission of others to Read
[09:20] <nomad2805> hi guys
[09:20] <nomad2805> heini saya kasih beberapa ,, kalo pengen cari yang lain tinggal request aja.llo
[09:20] <nomad2805> halooo
[09:20] <nomad2805> hello
[09:20] <nomad2805> any bdy here?
[09:23] <nomad2805> someone help me
[09:23] <nomad2805> my compiz makes the system hangs up
[09:23] <nomad2805> T_T
[09:32] <mefisto__> I want to mount the hd from my set top box (or at least access the data somehow) but fdisk doesn't recognise any partitions on it. any ideas?
[10:01] <OculusAquilae> hi
[10:01] <OculusAquilae> does somebody know why openpgp support in kmail (4.1.1) is not working?
[10:12] <neSSun0o> hi guys, i turn on the pc and kubuntu 8.04 was telling me "kubuntu is running in low graphical configuration" or something like this, i had to pres ESC at reboot and "fix the X server" fortunately i knew how to do it even if im a newbie. can somebody tell me what happened?
[10:14] <neSSun0o> plus im trying to access the hard disk on which kubuntu is installed and it doesn't let me it says "feature available only with HAL" ??????????
[10:34] <shreyas> hello anybody there ?
[10:35] <shreyas> hello
[10:36] <shreyas> anybody  there ?
[10:36] <shreyas> ?
[10:36] <favro> !hi
[10:36] <shreyas> thank u
[10:36] <shreyas> hello ubottu
[10:36] <favro> shreyas: you just ask your question in here :)
[10:36] <shreyas> ok
[10:37] <shreyas> @ favro : is there any firewall built in ubuntu hardy or we need to install ?
[10:37] <favro> !firewall
[10:38] <favro> shreyas: I've gone a few years just using the inbuilt settings with no issues
[10:38] <shreyas> so ubuntu indeed has a firewall built in
[10:38] <favro> yep
[10:39] <neSSun0o> im trying to access the hard disk on which kubuntu is installed and it doesn't let me it says "feature available only with HAL" ??????????
[10:39] <shreyas> oh ok
[10:39] <favro> neSSun0o: try   sudo apt-get install hal
[10:39] <shreyas> is there any software for ubuntu which supports .Net and VB ?
[10:39] <shreyas> just in case
[10:39] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: try mono
[10:39] <shreyas> wats mono ?
[10:40] <OculusAquilae> don't know if it supports vb
[10:40] <neSSun0o> favro: it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. so apparentely i already have it installed
[10:40] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
[10:40] <shreyas> ya see it online mono supports .net
[10:40] <favro> neSSun0o: how are you trying to access the disk?
[10:41] <neSSun0o> from the folder "storage"
[10:41] <shreyas> so we can have a .net applications running on ubuntu ?
[10:41] <neSSun0o> "storage media"
[10:42] <favro> neSSun0o: and what os are you using to access the hd with kubuntu on it?
[10:42] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: theoretically yes, but it depends on if the application use windows specific features or things that are on implemented in mono i think
[10:43] <shreyas> @ OculusAquilae: ohk got it will try installin it then. :-)
[10:43] <neSSun0o> favro: it's weird because sometimes it appears to be "Hard Disk (UUID=15484cd9-a79f-4ac9-94f1-38d21ef2772c)" (and when it's like this it doesn't let me access to it saying "feature available only with HAL" and other times its name is "712G" (when its name is this instead i can access to it" i dont get it????
[10:43] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: never tested applications for windows, but to develop applications it should be good
[10:43] <neSSun0o> what OS? i dont know what an OS is
[10:44] <favro> neSSun0o: is the hard disk set to spin down when not in use?
[10:44] <favro> os = operating system
[10:44] <shreyas> @OculusAquilae: and firefox sometimes crashes out. it either will be workin with black in color likesome epidemic or something.
[10:44] <shreyas> why is it like dat >???
[10:45] <neSSun0o> according to my fstab, which one of the helpers of this chan modified for me to make my 4 hd to be automounted at boot no
[10:45] <favro> neSSun0o: spinning down the hard disk will be a bios setting
[10:45] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: ??? I don't understand
[10:45] <shreyas> OculusAquilae: it will darken itself i mean firefox but i can still use it. why does it happen sometime ?
[10:46] <neSSun0o> but when this morning i runned a recovery mode and checked the sys there was an error message saying "bad format line 11 of /etc/fstab/"
[10:46] <neSSun0o> brb
[10:46] <shreyas> OculusAquilae: sorry u dint get my question ?
[10:46] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: firefox gets dark and is still usable
[10:47] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: sound like a problem with desktop effects
[10:47] <favro> neSSun0o: might pay to paste your /etc/fstab then so we can check it
[10:47] <shreyas> OculusAquilae: no no not desktop effects. sometime firefox says GECKO has crashed
[10:48] <shreyas> OculusAquilae: wat does it  mean ?
[10:48] <shreyas> OculusAquilae: how can i fix ?
[10:48] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: gecko is the rendering thing of firefox, but I don't know
[10:48] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: have you updated to version 3.0.3?
[10:49] <shreyas> OculusAquilae: ya its updated to firefox 3.03
[10:49] <OculusAquilae> hm I don't know, I personally don't use firefox very often
[10:50] <shreyas> OculusAquilae: so which is better on ubuntu? i mean browsers ?
[10:51] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: You have to find out it yourself: I use often arora and konqueror, but everybody has other ideas of the perfect browser.
[10:51] <wojci_> i think konqueror and firefox is the best on ubuntu
[10:51] <OculusAquilae> shreyas: I don't like firefox because of its bad kde-integration
[10:52] <wojci_> so konqueror
[10:52] <shreyas> OculusAquilae: ok well arora haven heard will try very soon. oh firefox has KDE problems hmmm ok
[10:52] <favro> firefox intergrates fine here
[10:52] <shreyas> OculusAquilae: anyways OculusAquilae and others too thanks for helpin me out and for that .Net thing
[10:52] <shreyas> see ya
[10:52] <shreyas> bye
[10:52] <shreyas> have a great day everyone :-)
[10:52] <shreyas> bye
[10:52] <wojci_> no problem, bye
[10:52] <neSSun0o> favro: the thing is i dunno how to open it since it doesnt let me access to it...
[10:52]  * supricky06 goes to sleep, nite! :)
[10:53] <OculusAquilae> favro: also file save dialogs? and on kde4?
[10:53] <neSSun0o> even if i run a "kdesudo kate /etc/fstab/" it opens an empty folder
[10:53] <favro> OculusAquilae: don't use kde4
[10:53] <favro> *I
[10:54] <OculusAquilae> favro: and file save dialogs are normal or gnome style?
[10:54] <mefisto__> neSSun0o: leave out that final / so it's just /etc/fstab
[10:54] <jfb> any norwegians online?
[10:54] <favro> neSSun0o: kdesudo kate /etc/fstab - no / on the end
[10:54] <wojci_> use fluxbox, fast and easy
[10:54] <favro> OculusAquilae: it works like it should - does everything like it should
[10:54] <neSSun0o> favro: http://paste.ubuntu.com/51209/ this is my fstab
[10:55] <jfb> anyone know where to download the charmap for: no_NO.ISO8859-1@bokmal
[10:55] <OculusAquilae> jfb: in #ubuntu-no I think
[10:55] <jfb> I am getting LC_CTYPE errors, since it cannot find the charmap file.
[10:55] <jfb> ah, thanks!
[10:56] <OculusAquilae> favro: But it uses gnome file dialog, doesn't it?
[10:56] <favro> neSSun0o: the line 11 error is because of the blank line
[10:57] <favro> OculusAquilae: I remove dolphin and konq and install thunar
[10:57] <neSSun0o> favro: so like this should be ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/51210/
[10:57] <neSSun0o> ?
[10:57] <favro> neSSun0o: which disk is not opening? sd?? ?
[10:57] <OculusAquilae> favro: I like to have a desktop using mostly kde-apps
[10:58] <favro> OculusAquilae: I like mine to work
[10:59] <neSSun0o> favro: it's EXT3 the one that is not opening and im suspecting that in the 11 line there was something about it
[10:59] <jfb> OculusAquilae: kinda quiet there... do you know where to find charmap files, which I can use in localedef ?
[10:59] <mefisto__> favro: blank lines are allowed in fstab. it shouldn't be an error
[10:59] <neSSun0o> favro: anyway is this one UUID=15484cd9-a79f-4ac9-94f1-38d21ef2772c / ext3 the one with kubuntu on the one i cant access to
[11:00] <favro> neSSun0o: can you start at the beginning - are you using kubuntu now?
[11:00] <neSSun0o> yes
[11:01] <neSSun0o> anyway i dunno why but in the pastebin it appears to be blank, but in the kate there's a coma at the beginning of the line, that might be the error the syscheck was reporting
[11:02] <favro> neSSun0o: try changing the line to - UUID=15484cd9-a79f-4ac9-94f1-38d21ef2772c / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[11:02] <mefisto__> neSSun0o: if you can't access it, how did you see the /etc/fstab file???
[11:03] <favro> that's what I've been trying to find out
[11:03] <neSSun0o> mefiso__: i did from "kdesudo kate"
[11:03] <mefisto__> neSSun0o: are you running from the livecd? or from hard disk?
[11:03] <favro> hehe
[11:03] <OculusAquilae> jfb: hm I don't know
[11:03] <neSSun0o> but from the GUI interface if i click on the hard disk it says "feature only available with HAL"
[11:04] <neSSun0o> mefisto__: it's months that im running kubuntu and is not from livecd...
[11:04] <neSSun0o> it from hard disk, the same one it doesnt let me open
[11:04] <mefisto__> neSSun0o: sounds like HAL is not running
[11:04] <neSSun0o> yes
[11:04] <neSSun0o> and i apt-get install HAL
[11:05] <mefisto__> neSSun0o: did you boot up normally?
[11:05] <neSSun0o> not this morning
[11:05] <neSSun0o> apparantely yesterday i upgraded the kernel
[11:05] <neSSun0o> infact this morning the graphical interface wasnt working
[11:05] <neSSun0o> infact this morning the graphical interface wasnt working to boot in recovery mode
[11:05] <mefisto__> neSSun0o: what about now? the session running now booted up normally?
[11:05] <neSSun0o> to fix the x server
[11:05] <neSSun0o> yes now yes
[11:06] <neSSun0o> with VESA drivers instead of the NVIDIA ones which i spent ages in installing...
[11:06] <neSSun0o> but yes it works
[11:07] <neSSun0o> ???
[11:07] <neSSun0o> what am i supposed to do now? plz help im losing my mind after the thousands kubuntu's issues....
[11:07] <mefisto__> neSSun0o: you want the nvidia driver, not vesa (unless the nvidia driver didn't work for you)
[11:07] <neSSun0o> since when i first install it thereìs always a prob
[11:08] <neSSun0o> of course it did work perfectly
[11:08] <neSSun0o> but this morning
[11:08] <neSSun0o> to be able to run kubuntu i had to fix the x server from recovery mode
[11:08] <neSSun0o> because the GUI interface wasnt working
[11:08] <neSSun0o> everything appeared to be all in weird pixels and mixed colours...
[11:09] <JackWinter> i tried to upgrade all packages this morning and it broke on libc6-i686.  how do i fix ?
[11:09] <arty_> neSSun0o: your compilation?
[11:09] <neSSun0o> arty_: ?
[11:09] <arty_> JackWinter: sudo apt-get autoremove and then sudo apt-get update and upgrade
[11:10] <arty_> neSSun0o: parameters of your pc
[11:10] <neSSun0o> where do i find them?
[11:10] <neSSun0o> or which ones you want to know?
[11:10] <mefisto__> neSSun0o: try this then reboot: sudo apt-get install --reinstall hal
[11:10] <arty_> grafic cart
[11:10] <arty_> motherboard and cpu
[11:11] <arty_> and you fined in if you write in console lshw | less
[11:11] <neSSun0o> isnt this a windows way to solve things? :D
[11:12] <neSSun0o> arty_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/51213/
[11:12] <mefisto__> neSSun0o: reinstall hal, then reboot to see if that fixes it
[11:12] <JackWinter> arty_: the first command had this result, ok ? http://pastebin.ca/1212209
[11:12] <arty_> neSSun0o: why 32bit system if you have dualcore?
[11:13] <neSSun0o> i dunno arty_
[11:13] <neSSun0o> u tell me
[11:13] <neSSun0o> im really a newbie
[11:13] <neSSun0o> dont even know the difference between a 32 bit and a 64 one...
[11:19] <arty_> JackWinter: yes
[11:19] <kho_zhi> yo
[11:20] <bayer> hi! it seems that my kde login is locked in some way. if i try to login i only see the background image and then it hangs up. any idea how to solve this?
[11:21] <kubuntu_> Hello, I'm trying to install Windows XP on a computer with Kubuntu installed
[11:21] <favro> bayer: try ctrl+alt+bkspace then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:21] <favro> bayer: ctrl+alt+F2 I meant
[11:21] <Freku> i think you 1st have to install windows  and then kubuntu
[11:21] <kubuntu_> Kubuntu was installed in the computer
[11:22] <kubuntu_> do I have to uninstall it?
[11:22] <kubuntu_> and how do I do that?
[11:22] <Freku> i think so
[11:22] <Freku> if you want a dual boot system
[11:22] <favro> kubuntu_: no - it is just easier installing windows first
[11:22] <Freku> ah
[11:23] <kubuntu_> ok favro... how should I install XP?
[11:23] <favro> is there free space on the disk?
[11:23] <mefisto__> kubuntu_: you can install windows if you have disk space, then reinstall grub to get kubuntu to boot afterwards
[11:23] <kubuntu_> it's a 40GB hard drive with nothing but Kubuntu in it
[11:25] <favro> kubuntu_: windows can't resize a partition so you need to make free space first
[11:25] <bayer> favro: i tried that, does not help :(
[11:25] <kubuntu_> ok I can wipe out Kubuntu, I probably won't need it
[11:25] <Freku> after some googling i found a tutorial
[11:26] <Freku> http://davestechsupport.com/blog/2008/03/22/how-to-install-windows-after-ubuntu-with-gparted/
[11:26] <kubuntu_> I have Ubuntu on CD I can install later
[11:26] <Freku> oh
[11:26] <Freku> then its easier
[11:27] <favro> bayer: I wonder if your vid card is having issues?
[11:27] <Freku> to install xp
[11:27] <mefisto__> kubuntu_: just remember it will save you some time if you leave some unformatted space on the disk for linux, when you install windows
[11:28] <kubuntu_> thanks mefisto_
[11:28] <favro> bayer: I would boot into recovery and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:28] <bayer> favro: it worked some minutes ago, then i tried to login from another computer here and i think i have not shut down this pc properly. perhaps there are any locks?
[11:29] <kubuntu_> what do I need to do?
[11:30] <favro> bayer: is it a ssh login you're trying or something similar?
[11:34] <bayer> favor: it is via NIS. i can login in failsafe and via console, but not with kdm
[11:35] <favro> bayer: I don't know anything about nis...
[11:36] <blueeyez> hi everybody:)
[11:37] <kubuntu_> how can I format the hard drive in Kubuntu? I want XP installed...
[11:38] <kubuntu_> Google isn't my friend :(
[11:41] <favro> kubuntu_: the windows cd will let you format partitions - you don't uninstall kubuntu
[11:41] <mefisto__> kubuntu_: xp will format it
[11:41] <favro> you just wipe the partition
[11:41] <kubuntu_> what button do I have to push after restart to make the XP CD run?
[11:42] <kubuntu_> it didn't autorun the last time I tried
[11:42] <favro> I hit the space button when it asks to hit a key
[11:43] <kubuntu_> well I'll jump ship and try that
[11:43] <kubuntu_> thanks for the help guys, sorry for being a nuisance :)
[11:43] <mefisto__> kubuntu_: some will boot from cd if you hit F8 (a menu will let you choose which disk to boot from) or change your bios settings
[11:47] <bayer> how can i reinstall kde?
[11:51] <favro> bayer: I would --purge remove kdm then install kdm before reinstalling kde
[11:52] <favro> sudo apt-get --purge remove kdm
[11:58] <lamb> 为什么KUBUNTU升级到8.1后变英文版了
[11:59] <favro> !english | lamb
[12:00] <stdin> lamb: and 8.10 support in #ubuntu+1
[12:05] <bayer> favro: i reinstalled everything, but it does not work, how can i delete my personal kde configuration files?
[12:05] <bayer> favro: perhaps there something is wrong
[12:05] <favro> bayer: they are in .kde in your home folder
[12:06] <steveire> Hi. Can kubuntu-kde4 be installed easily on a gnome system?
[12:06] <favro> bayer: rm -rf ~/.kde
[12:06] <Tm_T> bayer: it's better to move than remove
[12:06] <Tm_T> favro: same to you
[12:06] <Tm_T> bayer: means, mv .kde .kde-temp
[12:06] <stdin> steveire: yes, see http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.1 and #kubuntu-kde4 for support
[12:06] <Tm_T> or similar
[12:08] <skole> Hi everyone! I want to insall opera browser. I can't find it with opera. I have downloadet a deb package, but how to install it?
[12:08] <skole> *fint it with adapt
[12:09] <Tm_T> !opera | skole
[12:09] <geek_> skole: either double click it to get gdebi to install it, or use dpkg (if you want a cli way to install it)
[12:09] <skole> whats the command to use dpkg?
[12:10] <geek_> er...
[12:10] <geek_> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb i think
[12:10] <geek_> !dpkg
[12:10] <Tm_T> :-P
[12:10] <favro> dpkg -i /path/to/file
[12:10] <geek_> *rolls eyes*. not TOO useful that...
[12:11] <skole> geek_: foo.deb?
[12:11] <geek_> skole: opera.deb or whatever
[12:12] <geek_> you SHOULD be able to open the file to install it as well IIRC
[12:13] <skole> geek_: When I click on the deb idolphin says: No archive loaded
[12:13] <jmgv> hello all, do you know if I can install kdevelop4 in kubuntu?
[12:13] <stdin> skole: try right-click -> Open With -> GDebi Package Installer
[12:13] <jmgv> i am trying to compile kdeverlop4 for myself but the kdelibs seems to be old
[12:14] <jmgv> CMake Error: ERROR: the installed kdelibs version 4.0.3 is too old, at least version 4.1.60 is required
[12:14] <jmgv> but in the repository there is no one newer
[12:14] <jmgv> is there anyway to get it? i am using hardy
[12:14] <skole> and G deb is under system?
[12:16] <stdin> jmgv: kdevelop4 needs KDE 4 trunk from SVN, you'd have to download and compile the relevant KDE 4 bits to compile kdevelop4
[12:16] <jmgv> i have done it but
[12:16] <jmgv> i need  kdelibs version 4.1.60
[12:17] <jmgv> but i have  kdelibs version 4.0.3
[12:17] <jmgv> so, i dont know how intall 4.1.60 in hardy?
[12:17] <jmgv> it say that the newer is 4.0.3
[12:17] <stdin> jmgv: read what I said again, you need KDE 4 trunk from SVN
[12:17] <jmgv> stdin okey, thanks
[12:18] <bayer> i am using "kubuntu over ubuntu". so far i figured out, that i can login on gnome, but not on kde. how can i remove all kde stuff and reinstall it? apt-get remove kde does not work, it is only a meta package i think... kubuntu-desktop also does not solve my problem, any ideas?
[12:19] <favro> !puregnome
[12:19] <favro> bayer: II would try that
[12:20] <favro> *I even
[12:20] <bayer> that are a lot of packages...
[12:23] <Agent_bob> i have a strange occurance on a rmote box.  i have a while true loop running which i can't seem to kill.  i killed it's controlling login tty but it's still running and i can't find a pid for it  ;/    thoughts ?
[12:23] <skole> Thanks! gdebi was the smart thing to do. I did not have that program first, but i downloaded it fram adapt, and now I have opera!
[12:24] <Agent_bob> how do things run without appearing in the process table ?
[12:25] <arty_> hi all is there any staff or program who tell me when I install me KUBUNTU on PC
[12:25] <favro> is it under bash?
[12:25] <favro> Agent_bob: ^
[12:26] <Agent_bob> favro yes.  but no bash in the ps output
[12:26] <arty_> pls help
[12:27] <Agent_bob> favro also it's on tty24 but nothing listed on that console
[12:28] <Agent_bob> favro assuming your next Q will be something like how do i know the loop is still running...  the sleep command keeps re appearing in the process table on tty24 where the loop is running....
[12:30] <arty_> hi all is there any staff or program who tell me when I install me KUBUNTU on PC
[12:30] <Agent_bob> well  i took it down.  re-killed all tty logins and it got it this time.
[12:30] <Agent_bob> arty_ /var/log/dpkg.log
[12:31] <Agent_bob> arty_ the listings are timestamped
[12:32] <arty_> Agent_bob: thx
[12:32] <arty_> Agent_bob: then write 1.9.2008 but I install in Jull or august
[12:33] <Agent_bob> arty_ month 9 is aug.
[12:33] <Agent_bob> no sep.
[12:34] <Agent_bob> september one two thousand eight
[12:34] <skole> Hi! My web bank says that I don't have java. I allways used Opera before, and no prob with java. I had this prbolem with firefox, but now it says the same with Opera. How to install all the java I need? anyone?
[12:35] <arty_> aug is 8 jul is 7 :)
[12:35] <skole> I have just upgradet to KDE 4 with 8.04
[12:35] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[12:36] <arty_> !yakuake
[12:36] <arty_> !k3b
[12:36] <Agent_bob> !info yakuake | arty_
[12:36] <Agent_bob> !msgthebot | arty_
[12:37] <wiehan> skole i'm no expert at this, but can't you just reinstall the java (jre) from the repos?
[12:37] <skole> wiehan: what is repos?
[12:38] <Agent_bob> !repos > skole
[12:39] <arun_> hi
[12:39] <arun_> now im using mysql
[12:39] <wiehan> does anyone know anything about linuxmint (i know: off-topic - but I can't find my answer) - is the default (main edition) 32bit or 64bit - it makes no statement anywhere?!
[12:40] <arun_> i finding some error like this when creating database
[12:40] <arun_> Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'studentmarks'
[12:40] <arun_> please tell some sollution
[12:41] <Agent_bob> error == { username == '' }       i.e. no username supplied
[12:41] <comedit> how can easily check if te 64-bit version or the 32-bit version of kubuntu is installed
[12:41] <Agent_bob> comedit uname -a
[12:42] <comedit> thanks
[12:42] <Agent_bob> comedit uname displayes information about the running kernel.   very handy.
[12:42] <arun_> sorry i cant get
[12:44] <comedit> ok this makes it stranged i have installed Kubuntu 64 (as I was convinced of) but the sound is not working
[12:44] <arun_> Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'studentmarks'
[12:44] <comedit> so i use synaptic however the liba64asound2 is not in the list
[12:45] <comedit> strange is that my kubuntu-32 Virtual installation (virtual box) with the same repositories
[12:45] <comedit> however lists it
[12:46] <comedit> since my hostserver has no sound my guest hasn't either
[12:46] <skole> I now know what repositories is. But when I click on the download java button in my browser, i get to the java homepage. It says that I can install java for linyx. But what choice shall I make here? What is linux (RPM) self extracting file?
[12:47] <Agent_bob> !java | skole
[12:48] <comedit> anybody an idea what could be wrong with my sound repository issue ?
[12:49] <Agent_bob> !info liba64asound2 | comedit
[12:49] <Agent_bob> !sound | comedit have you been here ->
[12:50] <skole> ubottu: Im on kubuntu 8.04 KDE
[12:50] <comedit> mm how can it be listed then in in my hardy-32 then ??
 mm how can it be listed then in in my hardy-32 then ?? <<< non-standard repo in /etc/apt/sources.list maybe.
[12:52] <comedit> as said both installations have the same repositories only one is host to this virtual-32 version
[12:52] <Agent_bob> !sound | comedit have you been here -
[12:53] <comedit> lets approach diffrently: thanks ubotto although you are a bot
[12:54] <Agent_bob> another answer might be that the package "liba64asound2" is only avalable for 32bit and that ubottu searched the 64bit section,   an even more likely answer is "typo"   however that's all i can do seeing i run dapper.
[12:54] <Agent_bob> lib64asound2 - ALSA library (64bit)
[12:54] <Agent_bob> lib64asound2-dev - ALSA library development files (64 bit)
[12:55] <Agent_bob> always check spelling.
[12:55] <Agent_bob> !info lib64asound2 | skole correctly spelled --
[12:56] <skole> what is best, sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre. Im running on kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4
[12:57] <Agent_bob> !best
[12:59] <bayer>  now i removed kubuntu-desktop and all other packages and re-installed it. result is, that i still cannot login to kde, just to gnome / console / failsafe. i even removed my .kde folder. what else can i do? are there other kde specific files/folders or even locks for certain users?
[13:02] <Agent_bob> bayer  might look for a ~/.kderc   or ~/.qtrc  which could be an issue.   also   ~/.xinitrc   or ~/.*ession*
[13:02] <skole> My consern is if it will work. I do not know the differens. is sun-java6-jre newer than sun-java5-jre? I am a newbe to all of this, so i'm sorry if I do not ask the correct questions
[13:03] <Agent_bob> also delete any /tmp/.<yourname>kde<junk>     lastly  ~/.dmrc
[13:04] <Agent_bob> skole general rule on package name versioning,   higher number is always newer.   "but not always better"
[13:04] <comedit> agentbob i searched in synaptic just on lib64 and no results -> I am working my way though the oubleshooting now
[13:07] <Agent_bob> comedit if all else fails there is an #alsa official support channel here on freenode too.
[13:09] <Agent_bob> comedit also, being toward the end of the sabath day, it's not the best time to find help either.
[13:17] <mackike> /exit
[13:20] <v6lur_> hi. has anyone else problems with compiz fusion and kopete's balloon notification?
[13:20] <v6lur_> the balloon won't show up
[13:20] <v6lur_> (hardy, kde 3.5.10, cf 0.7.9 (git) )
[13:20] <v6lur_> when using kwin, the balloon shows up nicely
[13:21] <RurouniJones> !compiz | v6lur_
[13:21] <v6lur_> they didn't know. someone had it working ok on mandriva & opensuse
[13:21] <v6lur_> thought it may be (k)ubuntu specific
[13:22] <tim_> i have a problem installing wc3, installed by clicking the installer.exe and everything seems to be fine, but when i want to start it, the screen stays black
[13:44] <eagles0513875> hey all
[13:51] <starenka> hi
[13:51] <eagles0513875> hhey
[14:00] <Denise> someone can do a message for me?
[14:00] <Denise> tell to alibaba to take the bus
[14:00] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[14:04] <go_beep_yourself> hello
[14:04] <go_beep_yourself> is kttsd required to get ksayit to have sound?
[14:05] <Tm_T> go_beep_yourself: I think yes
[14:10] <go_beep_yourself> is it possible to use voices from windows programs in ksayit? such as the ones from second speech center?
[14:11] <Tm_T> no idea, I guess not in any way
[14:12] <pietrek> hi all
[14:13] <pietrek> są tu jacyś polacy ?
[14:14] <cosmofield> !po
[14:14] <cosmofield> !pl
[14:14] <pietrek> aha...
[14:17] <eee> hello
[14:18] <eee> i need help to my wirless nettwork on acer
[14:18] <eee> anyone can help me?
[14:18] <Agent_bob> !wifi
[14:19] <eee> ok
[14:23] <eee> can anyone help me? I need help whit my wirless on "Acer Aspire 5720Z" i can not active it on the key on my bord
[14:24] <eee> can anyone help me? I need help whit my wirless on "Acer Aspire 5720Z" i can not active it on the key on my bord
[14:25] <eee> can anyone help me? I need help whit my wirless on "Acer Aspire 5720Z" i can not active it on the key
[14:25] <cosmofield> !repeat
[14:25] <eee> oh sry!
[14:29] <RurouniJones> !no | eee
[14:29] <RurouniJones> They might be able to help in your native language
[14:29] <eee> ok det er greit!
[14:35] <anger_> Hello. Any of you knows a brazilian distribution called Kurumi-NG?
[14:37] <anger_> !br
[14:45] <eee> how to find what nettwork drivers/nettwork card i use?
[14:46] <lain_wired> Hullo all, I 'm having some annoying video playback issues.
[14:46] <lain_wired> Specifically, there are odd patches of colour across the screen, predominately green at the moment, though that may be immaterial.
[14:46] <lain_wired> Any idea what this could be caused by?
[14:47] <eee> how to find what Driver/nettwork-card i use?
[14:48] <lain_wired> eee: we can see you, please just wait, and in the mean time, refer to google.
[14:49] <eee> ok
[14:49] <lain_wired> http://taufanlubis.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/check-your-hardware-information-using-hwinfo-in-ubuntu/ - this might help.
[14:55] <go_beep_yourself> can someone give me an example of what goes after espeak -v? ive tried espeak -v en-n and and espeak -v /usr/share/espeak-data/voices/en/en-n
[14:56] <lain_wired> Additional info: I've checked that the correct driver is installed, and all other graphical aspects seem fine (other than a few times when the screen resolution was wrong, but I believe that was related to the new monitor)
[14:56] <go_beep_yourself> im trying to get different voices for text to speech with espeak
[14:57] <lain_wired> Hm. go_beep_yourself: I'm not familiar with that software. Does it work well?
[15:01] <eee> do anyone work on my problem????
[15:02] <go_beep_yourself> lain_wired hard to say yet
[15:02] <claudio> salve
[15:02] <claudio> ho appena installato kubuntu
[15:02] <claudio> come si attiva compiz-fusion?
[15:02] <Tm_T> !it claudio
[15:02] <claudio> su ubuntu era già attivo appena installato ubuntu
[15:02] <go_beep_yourself> !espeak
[15:02] <Tm_T> !it | claudio
[15:03] <go_beep_yourself> !text to speech
[15:03] <go_beep_yourself> !tts
[15:03] <go_beep_yourself> !do you know anything
[15:03] <Tm_T> go_beep_yourself: stop abusing the bot
[15:03] <claudio> I can speak  english
[15:03] <claudio> i've installed kubuntu 8.04 but by default compiz-fusion is disabled
[15:04] <Tm_T> yes
[15:04] <Tm_T> !compiz | claudio
[15:04] <claudio> how can I enable it?
[15:05] <eee> hello i have an "Acer Aspire 5720Z" and my wirless nettwork board can't be turned on!
[15:06] <Tm_T> eee: son, you are repeating (:
[15:06] <eee> ok
[15:10] <eee> have knubutu any game's?
[15:12] <Tm_T> yes
[15:12] <Tm_T> !games
[15:13] <Fieldy> !nxclient
[15:13] <Fieldy> !freenx
[15:15] <Fieldy> okay. I don't see nxclient in adept package manager, am i doing something wrong?
[15:15] <Fieldy> url doesn't mention anything about adding repos etc
[15:17] <DFCJ> hi@all
[15:18] <[ds14]forest> hi
[15:18] <DFCJ> ich hätte mal eine frage.... ich habe endlich wieder kubuntu auf meinem neuem laptop aber der sound will nich... kann mir da jmd helfen?
[15:18] <RurouniJones> !de | DFC
[15:24] <eee> how to run a exe file?
[15:24] <Tm_T> !wine | eee
[15:24] <geek_> !wine
[15:24] <geek_> oops
[15:24] <vamsi> can someone please help me setup floppy drive inubuntu?
[15:41] <esteban> ola
[15:49] <miik> hy
[16:12] <vikku> i just loaded a cd into cdrom but iam not able to view its content
[16:17] <robert__> hello :) Im a newbie wondering how to install my dvd-rom ( cddvdw sh-s202n )
[16:18] <robert__> someone who can help?
[16:20] <eee> help!!!! my Web cam dosnt seem to work! can anybody help me?
[16:21] <eee> obs! it work's now :P youst wrong program!
[16:25] <thor> is there a command or a program to see if the my webcam is working ?
[16:30] <ubuntu__> hi
[16:35] <eee> how to erace/attack a process?
[16:36] <ign0ramus> eee: man killall
[16:37] <eee> ???
[16:37] <ign0ramus> eee: or you can use ctrl+alt+esc to point to which window you want to kill
[16:38] <eee> ok
[16:38] <ign0ramus> eee: also 'sudo ksysguard' will give you like a Task Manager on Windows
[16:38] <eee> is it not prosess es on ubuntu?
[16:39] <ign0ramus> eee: i don't understand your question.
[16:39] <eee> hm...
[16:40] <eee> is it not prosess es on kubuntu?
[16:40] <ign0ramus> is what not process on kubuntu?
[16:41] <eee> lol never main it!
[16:41] <ign0ramus> ok
[16:44] <ninix> anyone already has this problem: my kwin don't start anymore at startup
[16:44] <surgy> whats the package name, of the package that needs to be installed in order for k3b to have mp3 support?
[16:45] <WeeJay> Does anyone know if I can run an older kernel from (kubuntu 8.0.4) on intrepid?
[16:45] <ninix> surgy: k3b- extracodes ... something like that
[16:45] <ign0ramus> surgy: sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[16:46] <surgy> thnx, but i allready new the command :) just needed the package
[16:47] <ninix> libk3b3-extracodecs
[16:47] <eee> how to operative windows programs in Linux-Kubuntu
[16:47] <ign0ramus> eee: for free? Wine
[16:47] <eee> Wine?
[16:47] <ign0ramus> Wine.
[16:47] <surgy> ign0ramus: libk3b2-mp3 has no installation candidate. ninix thanks for info
[16:48] <ign0ramus> surgy: ah, yes, libk3b2-extracodecs replaced libk3b2-mp3.  my mistake
[16:49] <eee> can you give me a sure webside to Wine For Kubuntu
[16:49] <eee> the dowload site
[16:50] <ign0ramus> http://www.winehq.org/
[16:50] <ign0ramus> eee: in spanish - http://www.winehq.org/site/?lang=es
[16:50] <ninix> normally, the official site is always a SURE site ;)
[16:51] <eee> ok but im from Norway
[16:51] <ign0ramus> eee: oh, by the way you type, i thought you spoke spanish
[16:51] <eee> but i closed start-tollbar   how to active
[16:51] <eee> hehe
[16:51] <eee> im not soo god in English
[16:52] <ign0ramus> eee: alt+f2 > kicker
[16:52] <eee> Tnx
[16:54] <cosmofield> Is it safe to remove postskript fonts and other fonts in the font manager? I have over 100 fonts that I do'nt use
[16:56] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: i think all your fonts are in fonts:/System  ... you should be able to remove ones that you don't want
[16:58] <cosmofield> I don't have a printer, can I remove all postskript fonts?
[16:59] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: also, fonts in /usr/share/fonts ... don't know why you'd want to delete them
[17:00] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: each font is in only KB's
[17:01] <cosmofield> in the font manager the total size is about 199 MB and I use a small ssd-disk
[17:01] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: what font manager are you using?
[17:01] <Fieldy> hello, i installed privoxy. how can i configure the service to be started at boot, instead of having to manually run /etc/init.d/privoxy start ?
[17:02] <cosmofield> ign0ramus: kcontrol -> System Administration -> Font Manager
[17:02] <ign0ramus> Fieldy: it's installed as a service, it should automatically run at startup
[17:02] <KRF> Fieldy, update-rc.d privoxy defaults
[17:02] <Fieldy> ign0ramus: ah okay
[17:02] <Fieldy> i will also try what KRF said
[17:03] <Fieldy> System startup links for /etc/init.d/privoxy already exist.
[17:03] <Fieldy> cool thanks :)
[17:05] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: i don't see why you wouldn't be able to remove them... I would make a backup first, try things without them, and when you're comfortable, just delete the backup
[17:05] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: I'm just wondering if they're used for other things, like .pdfs and such
[17:11] <ign0ramus> is there a particular mount point recommend for mounting an .iso?
[17:11] <ign0ramus> or can i just create one anywhere?
[17:12] <zabbadapp> in KDE4, i see that Konsole can have split terminals .. but only horiz or vert. Not any combination like in emacs. I can't do any splits in Kate the texteditor, and I can't dock in Kate into Konsole ... But amusingly Kate can have one split with a terminal ... Shouldn't all this tabbing and splitting have been done on a lower system level, rather than each application on its own? Like Fluxbox does, but also with splits?
[17:15] <cosmofield> ign0ramus: True, I forgot that, seems that I need to keep some fonts for pdfs :/
[17:16] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: I'm not positive that is the case... did you find some info saying that you need these fonts?
[17:16] <cosmofield> ign0ramus:  I don't know, but I feel that I need some fonts to wiev pdf files. I don't know how pdf works
[17:17] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: yeah, i don't know enough about .ps fonts to recommend getting rid of them...
[17:18] <eee> how to use exe programs!
[17:18] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: but you can also sort your fonts by size, and remove any normal fonts you don't use- i'm sure there will be a bunch
[17:18] <ign0ramus> eee: wine
[17:18] <eee> oh but how  to use wine
[17:19] <cosmofield> Yes I will soon re-install anyway, then I will start with a clean command line install
[17:19] <ign0ramus> eee: do you have it installed?
[17:19] <eee> yes
[17:19] <pepe> #test
[17:19] <ign0ramus> eee: the simplest way is to click ont the .exe, which wine should open
[17:19] <eee> ok
[17:19] <ign0ramus> eee: what program are you trying to use?  Wine cannot run every Windows app.
[17:20] <eee> install windows messenger
[17:20] <ign0ramus> eee: there are better, native apps for kubuntu that will do the same thing
[17:20] <zabbadapp> will Kubuntu8.10 only have kde4? or is it still experimental and kde3.x is the main? If kde3.x is no more, is it possible to upgrade a 8.04 kde3.x to 8.10 and still keep kde3.x?
[17:20] <ninix> don't install this "!
[17:20] <ninix> :)
[17:21] <ign0ramus> eee: why not use Kopete, Pidgin, aMsn, etc?  No Windows API necessary
[17:21] <eee> oh is that a difference?
[17:21] <ign0ramus> zabbadapp: intrepid will ship with kde4 only
[17:22] <ninix> pidgin is a great simple msn client. amsn: a more similar to MSN messenger
[17:22] <KRF> eee, no. you can use several clients for the msn protocol
[17:22] <ign0ramus> eee: you should already have Kopete- open it and configure your Windows Messenger account
[17:22] <eee> kopete???
[17:22] <zabbadapp> eee: there is also http://mercury.im written in java that supports alot of exotic msn features when I last tested it (much more than aMsn and Kopete at the time)
[17:24] <zabbadapp> ign0ramus: but i don't "like" kde4!!! (part joke, part true ... i tried it in 8.04 and 8.10 and it still feels like things are missing from what 3.x can do)
[17:24] <eee> ok but how to install?
[17:25] <cosmofield> !kopete
[17:25] <eee> ok but how to install
[17:25] <ign0ramus> zabbadapp: i'm with you, i'm still trying to figure out if KDE 3.5.x will run smoothly under Intrepid.  If not, I will wait to upgrade until KDE4 becomes more usable :/
[17:26] <cosmofield> !info kopete-kde4
[17:26] <eee> ??????????
[17:26] <mrunagi> anyone had issues with firefox giving black windows then locking up?
[17:26] <ign0ramus> eee: check under "Internet" in your programs menu- you may already have it
[17:27] <cosmofield> eee: if you donät have kopete installed, you can install it with the command 'sudo apt-get install kopete-kde4'
[17:27] <eee> no i don't have it
[17:27] <eee> ok
[17:27] <ign0ramus> cosmofield: i'd stick with the kde3 version...
[17:27] <cosmofield> ign0ramus: I feel the same, will not even kde3 be avaiable anywhere
[17:28] <latexink> Hello all.. would this be a good place to ask for help with compiz fusion?
[17:29] <ign0ramus> imho, kde4 will be awesome once the bugs are worked out - it already is visually stunning, but too many crashes, locks, and freezes for me to use comfortably.  Plus it seems like a lot of things are missing and/or incomplete
[17:29] <kho_zhi> hey
[17:29] <kho_zhi> dude
[17:29] <kho_zhi> y kopete can crash de
[17:29] <eee> ok but what is normal Download speed Kb/s
[17:30] <ign0ramus> eee: depends on your connection and the server you are downloading from.  there is no 'normal'
[17:30] <eee> oh
[17:31] <ign0ramus> latexink: you can always ask here, but there #compiz-fusion is probably the best place to ask
[17:31] <latexink> thanks ig
[17:31] <ign0ramus> np
[17:32] <eee> it dosn't seem to work
[17:33] <sidus> salve a tutti
[17:33] <cosmofield> eee: what happen?
[17:33] <zabbadapp> ign0ramus: visually stunning for a screenshot, but rather many different styles of gui at once. And i don't like the iconset ... It lacks perspective it think, i.e. a frontal view of a folder will always look ugly!
[17:34] <sidus> hi people some one can help me? i have problem with sound
[17:34] <eee> i did the sudo comand you told me and i cant find the program
[17:34] <ign0ramus> zabbadapp: yeah, but those things can be customized, and the graphical capabilities are superior to kde 3.5.x ... unfortunately, the way it looks is its biggest strength right now, and I firmly belive form follows function
[17:35] <ign0ramus> !ask | sidus
[17:35] <sidus> ok im sorry this is my first day of chatting with kubuntu with this program :P
[17:36] <ign0ramus> sidus: np - so what's your problem?
[17:36] <carpii> can someone recomend a nice php (or multipurpose) ide, with svn support please
[17:36] <eee> i did the sudo comand you told me and i cant find the program
[17:36] <cosmofield> eee: did you run the command in the terminal?
[17:36] <sidus> im italian and my english is very bad ...i try to explain my problem, plaese just a minuts
[17:36] <eee> yes
[17:37] <eee> but i'm trying Again
[17:37] <cosmofield> eee: exactly what was the error message? seems very strange :/
[17:37] <eee> not error msg
[17:37] <concernedcitizen> hi guys, where do deleted files go? is there like a 'trash bin' or something?
[17:37] <eee> i can't find the program i have installed
[17:37] <ign0ramus> carpii: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EclipseIDE
[17:38] <sidus> i have problem with sound
[17:38] <sidus> i cant listen sound simultanee
[17:38] <sidus> and i cant listen the "music" when start kde and when i shot down the session
[17:38] <cosmofield> eee: the program should be in the menu, or type 'kopete' to start it
[17:38] <ign0ramus> concernedcitizen: yes, there is "Trash", which may be on your kicker panel, or can be found at trash:/
[17:38] <carpii> sorry i got disconnected if anyone said anything (ide for php with svn)
[17:38] <ign0ramus> carpii: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EclipseIDE
[17:39] <carpii> ok ill check it out, thanks
[17:39] <concernedcitizen> thanks
[17:39] <ign0ramus> sidus: is it only when using sound in a browser?
[17:39] <zabbadapp> ign0ramus: yes, but someone spent a lot of time to do very flat looking -- yet still photorealistic wannabe -- icons ... that I will replace? However, I am glad that they did not follow the Tango icon guidelines, because those colors are so "dirty".
[17:40] <sidus> no, i cant listen more program with using sound, example, youtube with xmms/amarok or teamspeak
[17:41] <ign0ramus> zabbadapp: any of the tango or 'human' themes are hideous... just my opinion, but seems to be shared with others
[17:41] <eee> Tnx it work't
[17:42] <zabbadapp> ign0ramus: :-) exactly!!!
[17:42] <ign0ramus> sidus: try installing libflashsupport
[17:42] <ign0ramus> eee: 'sudo apt-get install kopete' ... then tell me what it says
[17:43] <ign0ramus> sidus: then restart firefox and try two different sound sources
[17:43] <Imposible> hello
[17:43] <sidus> ok
[17:44] <Imposible> I've been having problems installing nvidia driver can someone give a tip or something?
[17:44] <ign0ramus> Imposible: what card?
[17:44] <Imposible> 6500 GO
[17:45] <Imposible> i guess i've read almost all the forums
[17:45] <sidus> dont works libflashsupport
[17:45] <ign0ramus> sidus: you have sound set to ALSA?
[17:45] <eee> heeeh it work's now
[17:45] <thor> imposible did you installed the nvidia driver?
[17:46] <ign0ramus> Imposible: its not supported, but have you tried Envy?  Again, not supported, but makes the process very easy
[17:46] <Imposible> Envy no i didnt try
[17:46] <jussi01> !envy
[17:46] <sidus> !ask ign0ramus
[17:46] <sidus> !ask | ign0ramus
[17:46] <sidus> |ask | ign0ramus
[17:47] <Imposible> i try to install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run
[17:47] <sidus> no
[17:47] <ign0ramus> sidus: dude, what the heck are you doing?
[17:48] <sidus>
[17:48] <sidus> how do I know which device I'm using?
[17:48] <eee>
[17:48] <eee>
[17:48] <eee>
[17:48] <eee>
[17:48] <eee> obs
[17:49] <ign0ramus> sidus: kcontrol > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System
[17:50] <sidus> is setting by default: automatic select device
[17:51] <ign0ramus> sidus: yes, but you can try ALSA, and see if the sound issue disappears... you can always set it back to Auto (plus, this will restart your sound server, so that's good too) :-)
[17:52] <sidus> i have delete all alsa system
[17:52] <ign0ramus> sidus: you what?
[17:52] <sidus> for try, now i can resistall all alsa?
[17:52] <sidus> i delete alsamixer
[17:52] <ign0ramus> sidus: 'sudo apt-get install alsa-base' should do it
[17:53] <sidus> ok it is donw
[17:53] <sidus> *done
[17:53] <sidus> now?
[17:54] <ign0ramus> sidus: try to set default to ALSA in Sound System
[17:54] <sidus> i put alsa
[17:54] <sidus> now?
[17:54] <ign0ramus> sidus: then hit 'apply'
[17:54] <sidus> it is done
[17:55] <ign0ramus> sidus: and you installed 'libflashsupport'?
[17:55] <sidus> yeah i have the last version
[17:55] <ign0ramus> sidus: restart firefox, and try two sound sources
[17:56] <sidus> nothing
[17:56] <sidus> dont work
[17:57] <ign0ramus> sidus: when you say 'don't work', what specifically is not working... do you have sound on like youtube on its own (no other apps running)?
[17:59] <sidus> when i listen music in amarok i cant listen youtube
[17:59] <sidus> and vice-cersa
[17:59] <sidus> and vice-versa
[18:00] <ign0ramus> sidus:  hmmm.. hang on- eating :-)
[18:01] <sidus> ok
[18:07] <cosmofield> Is there a support channel for truecrypt? :/
[18:08] <ign0ramus> sidus: you still there?
[18:09] <sidus> im here
[18:09] <ign0ramus> sidus: ok, we'll install Flash10, which doesn't have the sound problems Flash9 has
[18:10] <ign0ramus> OK?
[18:10] <sidus> ok we can try yo install flash 10
[18:10] <sidus> how i do?
[18:10] <ign0ramus> sidus: first, run 'sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree'
[18:11] <ign0ramus> sidus: you may or may not have this package installed, if not, no problems
[18:11] <sidus> i remove it?
[18:11] <ign0ramus> sidus: yeah
[18:12] <ign0ramus> the repos only have Flash 9
[18:12] <sidus> ok, consolle say me: with this package "nspluginwrapper" has been install before i can use "apt-get autoremove" for remove it
[18:12] <sidus> i remove it?
[18:12] <ign0ramus> wait.
[18:13] <eee> How to install Firefox?
[18:13] <sidus> sudo apt-get install firefox
[18:13] <eee> ok
[18:13] <eee> i love this
[18:13] <ign0ramus> sidus: are you running 64bit anything?
[18:13] <sidus> yes
[18:13] <sidus> i have 64 bi
[18:13] <sidus> bit
[18:14] <ign0ramus> sidus: ohhh... that changes things.  hang on for a moment.  Flash on 64bit is weird.
[18:14] <sidus> ok
[18:15] <zabbadapp> ign0ramus: i just did apt-get install flash-nonfree on my 64-bit kubuntu, and it works rather fine in firefox3 ... i was surprised actually.
[18:15] <kabotage> hi how do i remove all gnome apps??
[18:15] <sidus> i have install flash with this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-flash-player9-on-64bit-linux
[18:15] <sidus> but is flash9
[18:15] <sidus> not 10
[18:16] <ign0ramus> sidus: maybe zabbadapp can be a better help, 64bit is different, and I don't have much experience with it
[18:17] <ign0ramus> zabbadapp: can you use an app like Amarok, and play a flash file, and have sound in both?
[18:17] <zabbadapp> ign0ramus sidus: i didn't see that you were talking about flash 10  ... mine is flash 9 from the kubuntu repos
[18:17] <sidus> but my problem is dont have flash9 or 10
[18:18] <ign0ramus> zabbadapp: yeah, he's having problems with sound in a kde app and in flash simultaneously
[18:18] <sidus> my problem is the audio simultane i cant listen
[18:18] <ign0ramus> zabbadapp: this is easily fixed in Flash 10, but i'm not sure how that would work in 64bit
[18:18] <sidus> for example if there are two or tree program with use audio i can listen only the first with i launch
[18:19] <spooky> hello kubuntu users
[18:19] <azaragone> hiauhiuahaia
[18:19] <ign0ramus> sidus: Aha!  See here: http://www.myscienceisbetter.info/2008/05/install-adobe-flash-player-10-on-ubuntu-using-nspluginwrapper.html
[18:21] <spooky> need help
[18:21] <zabbadapp> ign0ramus: yes, I'm running two youtube-clips (with sound) and playing a song in amarok now at the same time, and I hear them all.
[18:21] <sidus> why i cant see?
[18:21] <spooky> can anyone help me ?
[18:21] <sidus> i cant hear*?
[18:21] <sidus> i dont think with is problem of flash
[18:21] <ign0ramus> zabbadapp: did you ever have any issues with sound, or did it work OOB?
[18:22] <ign0ramus> sidus: you said you lose sound from Amarok or other apps when you go to Youtube or whatever.  That's the typical Flash problem many people have had
[18:22] <spooky> I want to permantly mount a smb share in my kububtu . How to do this ?
[18:23] <zabbadapp> ign0ramus: OOB, with the exception that I had to turn up some volume in alsamixer (no sound at all to begin with) ... and like I said, I was surprised that flash worked that well in 64-bit by simply apt-get install:ing it.
[18:23] <azaragone> :)
[18:23] <azaragone> ;)
[18:23] <thor> can i watch a movie from an iso image ?
[18:23] <ign0ramus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/236052
[18:24] <zabbadapp> thor: VLC i know, but probably mplayer too.
[18:24] <sidus> i dont lose the sound, for example im now listen music if now i go in youtube i dont hear nothing, if stop amarok and try to restart it, amarok dont start becose there is another app with block it
[18:24] <sidus> and for listen music i must kill it
[18:24] <thor> ok. i'll try
[18:24] <ign0ramus> sidus: you must kill what - firefox?
[18:25] <sidus> firefox
[18:25] <sidus> what i control
[18:25] <sidus> firefox or npviewer.bin
[18:25] <ign0ramus> yes, did you see the launchpad bug 236052 i just posted above?   :P
[18:27] <ign0ramus> zabbadapp: no, but release candidate... it's past beta
[18:27] <ign0ramus> sidus: read the bug report - is this not the problem you were explaining?
[18:28] <eagles0513875> !temperature
[18:28] <eagles0513875> is there any package that monitors temperature of cpu and other parts
[18:30] <ghostcube> lm-sensors
[18:30] <ghostcube> and gkrellm
[18:31] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: also, http://packages.ubuntu.com/uk/hardy/hardware-monitor
[18:32] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: that site has russian txt lol
[18:33] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: the package is maintained by a russian dude
[18:33] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: thing is im on kde
[18:33] <eagles0513875> will it still work
[18:33] <ign0ramus> !xmbmon
[18:33] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: i don't see why not... and you can always just uninstall if you decide you don't like it  :-)
[18:34] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: also, you can check xmbmon - it's in the repos
[18:34] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:37] <sidus> sudo nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[18:38] <sidus> *** NSPlugin Viewer  *** ERROR: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:38] <sidus> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[18:38] <sidus> help
[18:40] <eee> how to make a program?
[18:40] <ign0ramus> sidus: try 'sudo nspluginwrapper -i /home/YOURUSERNAME/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[18:40] <ign0ramus> sidus: wait, are you following the tutorial i posted above?
[18:41] <sidus> ye
[18:41] <sidus> yes
[18:41] <sidus> i try it
[18:41] <ign0ramus> sidus: if you are, you need to make a symlink first: 'sudo cp install_flash_player_10_linux/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/'
[18:42] <ign0ramus> sidus: well, it's not a symlink, but it needs to be copied over
[18:42] <shepherd> #chemistry
[18:43] <sidus> $ sudo nspluginwrapper -i /home/sidus/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[18:43] <sidus> nspluginwrapper: /home/sidus/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so is not a valid NPAPI plugin
[18:43] <ign0ramus> sidus: hang on... there's a problem with the url in the tutorial
[18:44] <eee> anybody know about a good game for windows?
[18:45] <ign0ramus> sidus: we'll have to modify step 3 in the tutorial
[18:45] <ign0ramus> sidus: have you done everything from steps 1 and 2 so far?
[18:46] <sidus> ster 1 is donw
[18:46] <sidus> step 2 is done
[18:47] <ign0ramus> sidus: Step 3.0 :  "cd ~"
[18:47] <ign0ramus> sidus: step 3.1 "wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_091508.tar.gz"
[18:47] <sidus> yes yes
[18:47] <sidus> i have download that
[18:47] <sidus> now i have done step 3
[18:47] <ign0ramus> sidus: no, the link in the tutorial is different
[18:48] <bdizzle> hi, for some reason I can't get my camera to interface with the computer. It will detect it and load it, but it claims it cannot get the camera to "lock" ?
[18:48] <ign0ramus> sidus: that's why you are having problems... the url in the tutorial is wrong
[18:48] <ign0ramus> sidus: please follow my steps
[18:48] <sidus> yes i see
[18:48] <sidus> i ahve download already your post it
[18:48] <sidus> i have see with in the tutorial is wrong
[18:49] <sidus> and i have find where i can download flash 10
[18:49] <sidus> have u undestand?
[18:49] <ign0ramus> step 3.2: tar zxvf flashplayer10_install_linux_091508.tar.gz
[18:50] <sidus> i have already done it
[18:50] <ign0ramus> sidus: step 3.3: sudo cp install_flash_player_10_linux/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[18:51] <ign0ramus> sidus: step 4: sudo nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[18:51] <eee> my wirless nettwork card dosn't seem to work!
[18:51] <ign0ramus> this is where you were having problems before...
[18:51] <eee> i use acer
[18:51] <sidus> $  sudo nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[18:51] <sidus> *** NSPlugin Viewer  *** ERROR: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:51] <sidus> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[18:51] <bdizzle> !camera
[18:51] <ign0ramus> sidus: hmmmm....
[18:51] <bdizzle> !digikam
[18:52] <eee> my wirless nettwork card dosn't seem to work on my acer laptop
[18:52] <eee> my wirless nettwork card dosn't seem to work on my acer laptop
[18:52] <bdizzle> !digiKam
[18:52] <ign0ramus> sidus: if you navigate to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ in Konqueror, is the libflashplayer.so file located there?
[18:52] <sidus> yes
[18:53] <sidus> there is one file
[18:53] <sidus> "libflashplayer.so" this is the name of file
[18:53] <sidus> in the dir  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[18:53] <ign0ramus> sidus: yes, that is how it should be, i'm trying to figure out why nspluginwrapper is giving you trouble - the file and directory obviously exists
[18:54] <jussi01> eee: first, please dont repeat so often, second, could you pastebin the output of the command: lspci
[18:54] <jussi01> !paste | eee
[18:59] <freddy_> hoola
[18:59] <freddy_> Porfa alguien me puede ayudar con los escritorios
[19:00] <freddy_> no me muestra el menu de escritorios
[19:00] <freddy_> ademas no puedo poner 4 esccritorios me permito uno solo
[19:02] <jussi01> !es
[19:03] <neSSun0o> doesn anyone use aMsn? how is it?
[19:04] <ign0ramus> sidus: can you try installing latest libnss? http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/nss/libnss3-1d_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[19:05] <sidus> no
[19:07] <sidus> which i must install?
[19:08] <sidus> any sujest?
[19:08] <ubuntu_> Are installations of Kubuntu from the DVD supported?
[19:09] <joshuajtl> hey folks, when I plug in my mouse (usb wireless) it's not working (it used to no problem, I havent' used it in some time) help?
[19:10] <sidus> this package is for i386
[19:11] <ign0ramus> sidus: you need the libs for i386
[19:11] <ign0ramus> 'sudo apt-get install libnss3-1d libnspr4-0d libcurl3' will give you the necessary libs
[19:12] <ign0ramus> sidus: from the tutorial page: http://www.myscienceisbetter.info/2008/05/install-adobe-flash-player-10-on-ubuntu-using-nspluginwrapper.html#comment-4732
[19:14] <Fargh> how do I get rid of being asked for sudo password  ?  I editted visudo and added this line
[19:14] <Fargh> name   ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /bin/chmod
[19:14] <Fargh> what else is needed ?
[19:15] <sidus> libnss3-1d
[19:15] <sidus>  libnspr4-0d
[19:15] <sidus>  libcurl3
[19:15] <sidus> i have already this package install
[19:15] <eagles0513875> im having a problem with hal i am unable to mount my dvd drive so i can access the media thats in it
[19:15] <eagles0513875> it keeps saying feature available with hal
[19:16] <ign0ramus> sidus: i'm just following the tutorial... if its not working for you, maybe someone else with 64bit can help
[19:16] <sidus> :(
[19:17] <eagles0513875> im having a problem with hal i am unable to mount my dvd drive so i can access the media thats in it keeps saying feature available with hal
[19:18] <ign0ramus> Fargh: "user ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL" works for me.  Insert your username for 'user'
[19:18] <target> hi!
[19:18] <Fargh> k
[19:18] <Fargh> no service need restart ?
[19:19] <ign0ramus> Fargh: you may need to restart x (ctrl+alt+backspace)
[19:19] <ign0ramus> Fargh: ... and i don't need to remind you that to some, this is insecure, right?
[19:19] <Fargh> yep
[19:19] <ign0ramus> Fargh: sudo is there for a reason, but in my case, i'm the only one that uses this lappy, so for me its no problem
[19:20] <eagles0513875> im having a problem with hal i am unable to mount my dvd drive so i can access the media thats in it keeps saying feature available with hal same thing with the machine that im on
[19:20] <Fargh> same here .. only one to use this desktop
[19:20] <target> i've to: modifying your LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment variable because of that : http://paste.ubuntu.com/51342/
[19:21] <ign0ramus> Fargh: then no real harm, i guess. as you know, if anyone else does use your computer, they will not need a password
[19:21] <target> but i'm totaly lost...
[19:21] <ign0ramus> Fargh: you already know, but i feel obligated to say so
[19:21] <target> i really don't know what i'm suppose to do...
[19:24] <target> can anyone help me to figure it out plz?
[19:26] <eagles0513875> im having a hal issue its saying that the feature is only available in hal when i double click on my cd drive or my hdd
[19:31] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: i take it you have package 'hal' installed, yes?
[19:31] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: yes
[19:31] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: isnt it part of default install
[19:32] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: it should be.  if you run 'sudo apt-get install hal', what does it say?
[19:33] <eagles0513875> already newest version
[19:33] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: ok... lemme look around
[19:33] <eagles0513875> k ty
[19:33] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: when you navigate to media:/ in Konqueror, can you see your hard disks?
[19:34] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: just checked fstab and its listed in there
[19:34] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: let me try what u said and mount via cli
[19:37] <eagles0513875> there is a severe bug in hal
[19:37] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: it seems to work when i mount with cli but from storage media gui it wont work
[19:37] <gkffjcs> hey all, is the iso on the website, that says kde4 4.0 or 4.1?
[19:38] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: that's strange.  :/
[19:38] <eagles0513875> now how can i access my hdd cuz im trying to mount it in cli
[19:38] <gkffjcs> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download, if I select kde 4 will it give me kde4.1 or 4.0? sorry, hope that is clearer
[19:38] <eagles0513875> but wont let me mount it and i cant in storage media gui
[19:39] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: bug filing time
[19:39] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: you can navigate solely through cli, but that is pretty painful... cd'ing to directories and ls -o to list files
[19:39] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: i think so
[19:40] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: are there currently any known bugs out on launchpad that u know of
[19:40] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: let me check... in the meantime, try both dolphin and konqueror if you haven't already
[19:40] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: im on kde 3.5.10
[19:41] <ign0ramus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/223534 is the closest i can find - happened right after an upgrade
[19:42] <ign0ramus> oh wait...
[19:42] <ign0ramus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/141564
[19:42] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: does it show the actual icons, or just list the UUIDs?
[19:42] <Fargh> ign0ramus ... for some reason its not enough
[19:43] <ign0ramus> Fargh: that's strange... did you restart x?
[19:43] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: for hdd shows uuid and when there the icons r present
[19:43] <Fargh> yep
[19:43] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: did it used to display the icons?
[19:43] <Fargh> I edit a file with gedit
[19:43] <Fargh> You do not have the permissions necessary to save the file. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again.
[19:44] <eagles0513875> this is the first time i have gone to try and open the cd drive and hard drive prior to this been using command line to navigate
[19:44] <DarkriftX> anyone know what tools i would need to upload a file to a php upload script via command line?
[19:45] <Fargh> i'll add the used to the sudo group and see
[19:46] <Dragnslcr> DarkriftX- anything that can do HTTP POST requests. Maybe wget
[19:47] <DarkriftX> ok, ill check it
[19:47] <Fargh> same shit
[19:47] <jussi01> !ohmy | Fargh
[19:47] <Fargh> :)
[19:49] <Dragnslcr> DarkriftX- yup, wget can do it. See the --post-data and --post-file options
[19:49] <ign0ramus> Fargh: what are you trying to do now?
[19:50] <Fargh> # Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password
[19:50] <Fargh> %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[19:50] <Fargh> and I added user to group sudo
[19:50] <ign0ramus> Fargh: you don't have to do it that way
[19:50] <Fargh> still doesnt work for me
[19:50] <ign0ramus> Fargh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[19:50] <Fargh> ok .. lemme check
[19:51] <ign0ramus> Fargh: again - DANGEROUS - "<your user name here> ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" goes at the *end* of sudoers file.  Sudoers works such that if lines contradict, sudoers follows the last command
[19:52] <Fargh> its still in there mate
[19:52] <ign0ramus> Fargh: open up /etc/ in Konqueror to make sure that you only have one sudoers file
[19:53] <ign0ramus> Fargh: and then please pastebin your sudoers file
[19:54] <Fargh> no visudo in /etc
[19:54] <Fargh> stupid me
[19:54] <Fargh> one sec
[19:55] <ign0ramus> Fargh: visudo is the tool to edit sudoers
[19:55] <ign0ramus> Fargh: there will be no visudo in /etc
[19:55] <Fargh> im pasting to pastebin
[20:10] <chrisr> hi
[20:11] <chrisr> i recompiled the kernel using the ubuntu howto and the ubuntu sources. however, i cannot get the firmware for my intel iwl4965 to load with the new kernel, though the firmware is in /lib/firmware/kernel
[20:11] <chrisr> does anybody know why the standard kernel loads firmware just fine?
[20:12] <ign0ramus> chrisr: i don't know, and i've had the same exact issue
[20:12] <chrisr> you solved it?
[20:12] <chrisr> is there a kernel switch activating firmware loading?
[20:13] <ign0ramus> chrisr: no, i gave up, and used my default generic kernel :/
[20:14] <chrisr> ign0ramus: thx for answering anyway
[20:15] <ign0ramus> chrisr: i've even had issues loading the iwl4965 firmware on my current (working) kernel... the entire OS would freeze, and a hard reset was the only way to get out of it
[20:16] <ign0ramus> chrisr: i just wanted the latest firmware (even though mine works fine) to get the damn wifi led light working again!
[20:16] <chrisr> ign0ramus: could you resolve this?
[20:16] <ign0ramus> chrisr: nope :(
[20:16] <ign0ramus> chrisr: to be fair, i said 'screw it' after about half an hour.  My wireless still works fine, i just wanted the led light to work
[20:18] <chrisr> ign0ramus: well, i wanna get a core 2 kernel
[20:18] <ign0ramus> chrisr: multi-threaded?
[20:18] <chrisr> ign0ramus: if you mean smp support, yes
[20:18] <_2> i tried to use rsync again for the first time,  and i still can't get anything out of it...    i'll try it again for the first time later on i guess.
[20:19] <ign0ramus> chrisr: there is an app, KernelCheck, that claims to do most of the dirty work for you, but I haven't had much luck with that one, either
[20:19] <ign0ramus> _2: you used rsync again for the first time? :P
[20:19] <chrisr> ign0ramus: i'll check it out
[20:19] <_2> ign0ramus no.  i tried to ues it again, for the first time.
[20:20] <_2> ign0ramus meaning i still haven't actually used it yet
[20:20] <ign0ramus> chrisr: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=199755
[20:20] <ign0ramus> _2: have you followed any tutorials?
[20:21] <Hamra> is anybody here having problems with repos? is sudo apt-get update working? i'm getting a lot 504 timeouts, and from 6 different mirrors i tried!
[20:22] <chrisr> ign0ramus: cheers
[20:22] <ign0ramus> chrisr: to you as well
[20:22] <_2> ign0ramus no not really.   i did something like# rsync -av pool <IP_ADDRESS>     and it blurted out something about rmdir couldn't remove pool because it wasn't empty.
[20:22] <ign0ramus> Hamra: it's just you... try using a different server
[20:22] <ign0ramus> _2: http://www.linuxawy.org/node/12 is a good start
[20:23] <ign0ramus> Hamra: oh, i didn't read that you've tried other servers...
[20:23] <ign0ramus> Hamra: im using us.archive.ubuntu for the basic repos, and they're updating just fine...
[20:24] <_2> ign0ramus i'll look at that page   but be advised i'm not going to waste much time on it right now.
[20:24] <ign0ramus> _2: bookmark it for later!
[20:24] <Hamra> thnx, i'll try that
[20:27] <_2> ign0ramus not seeing anything there that i don't already have in the man page tho
[20:28] <ign0ramus> _2: you'll figure it out, i have confidence.
[20:28] <_2> ign0ramus anyway right now i'm letting scp overwrite the whole thing,  so when it's done i'm out   ;/
[20:29] <_2> scp would be fine if it just had a switch to not overwrite existing files....
[20:31] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: u know what im thinking the problem with hal might be it might be the kernel version im on 2.6.24-16
[20:31] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: what do you mean? i think HAL works fine on that kernel
[20:32] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: im having that cd drive and hdd issue
[20:32] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: no, i know, but why do you think your kernel is problematic?
[20:32] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: its a relatively newer kernel that tons of people are using
[20:32] <eagles0513875> thought it was 2.6.24-21
[20:33] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: thought what was 2.6.24-21?  you thought that was the kernel you were on?
[20:33] <_2> i'm on -53
[20:33] <eagles0513875> no the newer kernel was 2.6.24-21
[20:34] <eagles0513875> tbh this is the first time i have encountered this problem on hardy
[20:34] <eagles0513875> i have used this on my older laptop and this has never happened to me
[20:34] <ign0ramus> eagles0513875: well, there's much newer kernels than that, even
[20:34] <ign0ramus> _2: did you get that from a repo?
[20:34] <_2> ign0ramus yeah   but i didn't specify the full version :)
[20:34] <eagles0513875> ya
[20:35] <_2> 2.6.15-52-686
[20:35] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: ya i am getting mine from repo
[20:35] <_2> also typo'd it   heh
[20:35] <ign0ramus> _2: what repo has -52?
[20:35] <eagles0513875> _2: was bout to say
[20:35] <_2> look closely at the full version
[20:36] <_2> ign0ramus short answer dapper security
[20:36] <ign0ramus> _2: you're running dapper, or just using the repo?
[20:37] <kevin_> how can I tell what version of kde  I am running,  I think  it is 4.5.9?
[20:37] <_2> running
[20:37] <ign0ramus> kevin_: i can tell you you're not running 4.5.9
[20:37] <_2> kevin_ kwin --version
[20:37] <ign0ramus> probably 3.5.9
[20:37] <kevin_> tks
[20:37] <yan> 3.5.9
[20:37] <_2> ign0ramus i think he typo'd that first one
[20:37] <yan> think too
[20:37] <kevin_> 3.5.9 (of course!!! sorry)
[20:38] <yan> hi everyone
[20:38] <ign0ramus> _2:  do you know the command for qt version?
[20:38] <_2> ign0ramus actually no  but i'll look.
[20:38] <ign0ramus> _2: actually, it's listed in kwin --version!!
[20:39] <kevin_> kwin --version returns 3.5.10 thanks for the help
[20:39] <ign0ramus> _2: no, wait, i don't think that's right
[20:39] <ign0ramus> _2: kwin --version only tells you what qt your kde is built with, right?
[20:40] <_2> ign0ramus /usr/share/qt*/bin/uic --version   might work
[20:41] <jussi01> ign0ramus: just go to konqi, look in help -about
[20:42] <ign0ramus> _2: syntax error
[20:42] <Hamra> hi again, are you looking for the version of QT installed? or that used by KDE?
[20:42] <ign0ramus> jussi01: konqui?
[20:42] <jussi01> ign0ramus: konqueror
[20:42] <Hamra> there's a difference, you see
[20:42] <_2> ign0ramus have qmake there ?   --version it
[20:42] <ign0ramus> jussi01: i think it only lists the kde version
[20:42] <jussi01> but yeah, kwin --version give bot qt version on kde version here
[20:42] <ign0ramus> _2: qmake --version works
[20:43] <ign0ramus> Hamra: yeah, i have some old version of qt that built kde, but have qt 4.4 installed
[20:43] <ign0ramus> qt version is important anymore since a lot of builds require qmake or cmake
[20:44] <icelab> hi people, i'm looking for a program that see the free and used spade on hard disk
[20:44] <ign0ramus> it seems people aren't compiling with ./configure as much anymore
[20:44] <icelab> on kde 3.5
[20:44] <_2> ign0ramus so to answer your question,  yes i know how to find the qt version from cli now  :)))
[20:44] <ign0ramus> icelab: you can just check in in /media:
[20:44] <ign0ramus> _2: we both learned something today :P
[20:45] <ign0ramus> *media:/
[20:45] <ign0ramus> icelab: just hover over a partition, and it will give you total size, used space and free space
[20:46] <_2> ign0ramus --version works on lots of things.     hehhe here is an interesting one for you,  run this.    /lib/libc.so.6 --version    <<< one wouldn't expect that to work.
[20:47] <ign0ramus> _2: wow, not only does it work, it gives a fair amount of other info too!
[20:47] <ign0ramus> _2: wth made you think to try that one?
[20:49] <_2> ign0ramus i do things that most never dream of,  and what is called "normal" use of a pc is quite forign to me.
[20:49] <icelab> ign0ramus yes i see, bat i 'l whish somethings like in ubuntu, now i don't remember the name of utility
[20:50] <ign0ramus> icelab: there's a cool superkaramba theme that shows hardware monitoring, kde and qt versions, ram usage, cpu usage, and partition space, - if you're interested
[20:50] <_2> but i am wondering why  /lib/klibc-t2jM36h7OcxUNTDzncfER2p7kd4.so  is marked executable, that doesn't make sense to me.
[20:51] <ign0ramus> _2: i don't even know what that is
[20:52] <FicaBlok38> with whose convertor can i  convert from wma to mp3
[20:52] <_2> ign0ramus http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/2767
[20:53] <ign0ramus> icelab: here's a screen of what i have for monitoring
[20:53] <ign0ramus> icelab: http://i34.tinypic.com/x1hgzb.jpg
[20:53] <eagles0513875> ign0ramus: lol using the 21 kernel made things worse x wouldnt work
[20:53] <Hamra> why mp3? use ogg, it works better in our world
[20:53] <ign0ramus> _2: 'definitely a work in progress' :P
[20:54] <FicaBlok38> Hamra: i realy need mp3
[20:54] <ign0ramus> Hamra: possibly because there are still tons of bassackwards 'mp3' players that don't play .ogg
[20:54] <ign0ramus> Hamra: i agree .ogg > pretty much everthing, though
[20:54] <icelab> i.m googoling and i'm reading somrthing on wikypedia
[20:55] <_2> ign0ramus if you ever want to use that "o" command i just used there in the pastebin      here's the script.   pasting file bin/o
[20:55] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/2768
[20:55] <ign0ramus> FicaBlok38: i'm pretty sure mencoder can do that
[20:55] <FicaBlok38> tnx
[20:56] <ign0ramus> _2: what does it mean, 'where a file came from'...? I assume 'o' is origin, right?
[20:56] <icelab> seems good, but too much information it need many ram
[20:57] <_2> ign0ramus correct   the origen of the file    as in how it appeared on your computer,  not as in who wrote it, although that's often supplied too
[20:58] <ign0ramus> icelab: superkaramba doesn't use that much memory at all.  if you're referring to my high ram usage as reported by Superkaramba, that's because Linux by default will use most of your ram
[20:58] <ign0ramus> icelab: Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
[20:58] <_2> ign0ramus only works on files supplied from a .deb package though  not locally created ones.
[20:58] <ign0ramus> _2: that's pretty good - did you write that?
[20:59] <_2> yeah
[20:59] <ign0ramus> nice work :-)
[21:00] <_2> although someone else wrote a pastebinit.py about the time i wrote  pastebin.sh  i still use the .sh version most of the time    pasting file /usr/local/bin/pastebin
[21:00] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/2769
[21:00] <FicaBlok38> ign0ramus: lol, i cant run mencoder...
[21:00] <FicaBlok38> :)
[21:00] <ign0ramus> FicaBlok38: why not?
[21:00] <FicaBlok38> i dont know
[21:01] <ign0ramus> FicaBlok38: do you have it installed?
[21:01] <FicaBlok38> yeah
[21:01] <FicaBlok38> i downloadet it from repo
[21:01] <FicaBlok38> *downloaded
[21:01] <icelab> just one last thing.. it is better install the kdeutils or just supercamba. i'm work whit a pentium 933 and 256 mbyte of ram
[21:01] <FicaBlok38> give mi other
[21:01] <ign0ramus> FicaBlok38: what's the output of "mencoder --help" ?
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> me
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> MEncoder 2:1.0~rc2-0ubuntu13 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz (Family: 15, Model: 4, Stepping: 9)
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> CPUflags: Type: 15 MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
[21:02] <FicaBlok38> --help is not an MEncoder option
[21:02] <_2> FicaBlok38   mencoder --version      # it should run and exit with a "Exiting... (error parsing cmdline)"   but also give the version info
[21:02] <_2> never mind.
[21:02] <ign0ramus> FicaBlok38: so you have it, now you just have to use the correct syntax to make it work...
[21:03] <FicaBlok38> Exiting... (error parsing command line)
[21:04] <ign0ramus> FicaBlok38: it will do that if you don't supply it with a proper command
[21:04] <_2> FicaBlok38 correct.   that means you just ran it,     it didn't actually do anything, but you did run it.   now a quick howto on the options and syntax and you are good to go
[21:04] <ign0ramus> FicaBlok38: its not a GUI program - its done from terminal
[21:04] <FicaBlok38> au
[21:04] <ign0ramus> i think he's waiting for the window to pop up :P
[21:04] <FicaBlok38> do you know other program
[21:04] <FicaBlok38> who has
[21:04] <FicaBlok38> GUI?
[21:05] <_2> FicaBlok38 ;/
[21:05] <icelab> ign0ramus: i try to install, i see an utility kdf do you know?
[21:06] <afeijo> !shortcut
[21:06] <icelab> kdf
[21:06] <ign0ramus> FicaBlok38: http://fosswire.com/2008/09/05/gnac-a-simple-program-to-convert-audio-files/