[00:00] <lilstevie> Bevo I don't imagine it is the highest of priorities, there are still many other arguably more important milestones to be met first
[00:01] <lilstevie> and it is only a developer preview
[00:01] <lilstevie> my devel device doesn't even have a simcard
[00:04] <Lexmazter> arm-eabi-ld: error: arch/arm/boot/compressed/lib1funcs.o: unknown CPU architecture << can someone help me with this error regarding kernels?
[00:42] <sfrique> does anyone knows where to look when the ubuntu touch stays on black screen? I can access via adb.. can even start ubuntu_chroot
[00:46] <sfrique> Allright founded sometime to look for next time
[00:49] <John12> any techs here?
[00:51] <John12> hello,
[00:52] <sfrique> try leaving your question
[00:52] <John12> i did
[00:52] <John12> 10 times
[00:52] <sfrique> i am no tech =]
[00:52] <sfrique> i wasing here then hahah
[00:52] <John12> it keeps telling me wait for 10 secs
[00:52] <John12> i se
[00:52] <John12> well
[00:52] <sfrique> you can't flood anyway
[00:52] <John12> i need help on install this on nexus s 4g
[00:53] <sfrique> isn't straight forward?
[00:53] <John12> okay, i am trying to install ubuntu on nexus s 4g, android phone, but it's now allowing me
[00:53] <John12> i'm trying it from windows, then ubuntu OS and noting..
[00:53] <John12> how can i install ubuntu on it
[00:54] <John12> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Step_3_-_Initial_Device_Setup ---- i tryed
[00:54] <John12> but, i get some kind error
[00:54] <John12> i want on xds site, to get 3 zip folders, and i get status 7 error from ubunter-2.zip
[00:55] <sfrique> are you device rooted?
[00:55] <John12> "assets failed - getprop
[00:55] <John12> yes
[00:55] <sfrique> you probally have a ROM not well written for your device
[00:55] <John12> okay, so how can i fix it
[00:55] <sfrique> first
[00:56] <sfrique> you have all zips on your phone right?
[00:56] <sfrique> are you trying to flash with "phablet-flash -b" or using CWM ?
[00:56] <John12> 3 zips from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2163085
[00:57] <John12> from ubuntu yes
[00:57] <John12> i get this error
[00:58] <John12> Device detected as crespo4g
[00:58] <John12> then
[00:58] <sfrique> ok
[00:58] <sfrique> what ROM are you using?
[00:59] <John12> unsupported device, auto detect fails device
[00:59] <John12> jelly bean
[00:59] <sfrique> but wich one?
[00:59] <John12> trying to install ubuntu one
[00:59] <sfrique> default on?
[00:59] <John12> ah how can i find out
[00:59] <John12> yes
[00:59] <John12> i was on ICS
[00:59] <sfrique> how did you update?
[00:59] <John12> then i used a rom from Xda site to install jelly bean
[01:00] <John12> from xda
[01:00] <sfrique> hmm
[01:00] <sfrique> maybe that is the problem
[01:00] <Tigrouzen> ^^
[01:00] <sfrique> i mean or error is something like
[01:00] <John12> okay, so how can i remove it to install ubuntu
[01:00] <sfrique> assert "get prop"....
[01:00] <sfrique> ?
[01:00] <John12> yes
[01:00] <sfrique> i had the same problem
[01:01] <sfrique> that happens when you put some ROM with update script or build.prop not good ( i guess )
[01:01] <John12> so i killed the phone
[01:01] <sfrique> noo..
[01:01] <sfrique> i did same thing
[01:01] <sfrique> stil using lol
[01:01] <John12> okay, but how can i fix it
[01:01] <John12> so i can install ubuntu
[01:02] <sfrique> before install ubuntu lets fix you device
[01:02] <sfrique> can you boot to your old ROM right?
[01:02] <John12> the ICS?
[01:02] <sfrique> the JB
[01:02] <John12> yes
[01:02] <zard> what device?
[01:02] <John12> nexus s 4g
[01:03] <sfrique> now go to XDA and look for the most stable JB on the forum for your device
[01:03] <sfrique> donwload it
[01:03] <sfrique> flash it
[01:03] <John12> should i just get ICS
[01:04] <sfrique> if everything work, try to flash ubuntu from ubuntu.. with phablet-flash -b
[01:04] <sfrique> i only got it working from JB
[01:04] <John12> from windows?
[01:05] <sfrique> what do you mean fro windows? dont you have a ubuntu pc ?
[01:05] <John12> yes on vmware
[01:05] <John12> but heres the problem with that
[01:05] <John12> it gives this error
[01:06] <sfrique> ok
[01:06] <John12>  <John12> Device detected as crespo4g unsupported device, auto detect fails device
[01:06] <sfrique> i just said to try form ubuntu because it is supported
[01:06] <sfrique> flash the stable JB first
[01:06] <sfrique> after it
[01:06] <sfrique> reboot
[01:06] <John12> when i do, phablet-flash -b
[01:07] <sfrique> and flash the zips that you have downloaded.. i suppose you know wich device you have
[01:07] <sfrique> hey
[01:07] <sfrique> your devie is crespo4g...
[01:07] <John12> ok
[01:07] <sfrique> wait
[01:07] <sfrique> you doing it wrong
[01:07] <John12> no
[01:08] <John12> idk why it shows that
[01:08] <sfrique> http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=crespo4g
[01:08] <sfrique> nexus S 4g is crespo4 as i can see
[01:08] <John12> ah
[01:08] <John12> then why i got that error lol
[01:09] <John12> so i upload that to my phone?
[01:09] <sfrique> because i think this is not supported
[01:09] <sfrique> crespo4g is not suported by default
[01:09] <John12> so it wont run ubuntu then?
[01:10] <sfrique> if it have cm
[01:10] <sfrique> should work
[01:10] <sfrique> but you have to compile or find someone who did compile
[01:10] <John12> ok
[01:10] <John12> let me install the cm then i know i have it
[01:10] <sfrique> want help to compile?
[01:11] <John12> sure
[01:11] <sfrique> i am nexus 4g it is crespo 4 as i see
[01:12] <John12> okay
[01:13] <sfrique> look
[01:13] <sfrique> https://sites.google.com/site/androidopenkangproject/downloads-1/downloads
[01:13] <John12> alright
[01:14] <sfrique> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices  seens no one compiled it yet
[01:14] <sfrique> you should compile, test and edit the wiki!
[01:15] <John12> Factory Images "sojus" for Nexus S 4G (d720)
[01:15] <John12> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#occam
[01:15] <John12> at the bottome
[01:15] <John12> bottom **
[01:15] <John12> but yet
[01:16] <John12> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2170400
[01:16] <John12> can work with s 4g
[01:17] <sfrique> the name you saw,it is for the Image, i guess you can call it ROM
[01:17] <John12> question is, if that was a image, why is it in tar, and not in zip folder
[01:18] <sfrique> it is in tgz
[01:18] <sfrique> probally need to flash using other software
[01:18] <sfrique> but anyway
[01:19] <sfrique> if you edit the assert it will bypass the check
[01:19] <John12> how,
[01:19] <sfrique> maybe work.. maybe brick
[01:19] <John12> i mean, do i open the tar
[01:19] <sfrique> the checks is there for an reason
[01:19] <sfrique> from the google site?
[01:20] <sfrique> Dont know how to flash it
[01:20] <John12> kk
[01:20] <John12> do you think ubuntu will have one for s 4g?
[01:20] <sfrique> at the beging at that link have instructions
[01:20] <julianduque> anyone tried to install Ubuntu phone on a Razr i? It would be possible?
[01:20] <sfrique> i guess someone will compile
[01:21] <sfrique> julianduque, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[01:21] <sfrique> some folks already did it
[01:21] <sfrique> the stats is "sort of working"
[01:22] <julianduque> sfrique: thanks
[01:22] <sfrique> =]
[01:23] <John12> :P
[01:23] <John12> i will let you know if it works
[01:23] <sfrique> ok
[01:24] <sfrique> i might don't be here lol
[01:24] <John12> add me on skype or?
[01:25] <sfrique> to help?
[01:25] <julianduque> almost full support, better to wait for a full supported version
[01:25] <julianduque> but, it gives me hope
[01:25] <John12> yeah
[01:25] <John12> well the support here, is never online
[01:26] <John12> trust me, when i tell you this
[01:28] <sfrique> if support is never here
[01:28] <sfrique> how come i helped you?
[01:28] <sfrique> =X
[01:29] <John12> i mean ubuntu staff lolz
[01:29] <sfrique> they have a lot of work to do
[01:29] <sfrique> give them a break hahaha
[01:29] <John12> lol
[01:29] <sfrique> annyway
[01:30] <sfrique> i will be here as i can
[01:30] <sfrique> you can always use the email list
[01:30] <John12> well, if u want, i can skype u, later or if u and IM
[01:30] <John12> i like chat via chat, then email listing lolz
[01:30] <sfrique> i preety much don't use skype hahaha
[01:31] <John12> steam
[01:31] <sfrique> steam the game thing? haha
[01:31] <John12> yeah
[01:31] <John12> or, MSN, aol, yahoo, fb,
[01:31] <John12> i give up
[01:31] <sfrique> trust me
[01:31] <sfrique> hahaha
[01:31] <sfrique> best way to get in touch
[01:31] <sfrique> if by email
[01:32] <sfrique> my email is the same as my nickname
[01:32] <sfrique> but i am no expert
[01:32] <John12> ahokay
[01:32] <sfrique> i just asked on the maillist
[01:33] <sfrique> when a im availiabe i get online here
[01:33] <sfrique> where are you from?
[01:33] <John12> USA
[01:33] <John12> PA
[01:34] <random> Anyone around use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/toro ?
[01:34] <John12> i got it to work
[01:34] <sfrique> good!!
[01:35] <John12> just slow
[01:35] <sfrique> edit the update sricpt and worked?
[01:35] <John12> very slow when it boots up
[01:35] <sfrique> it is a develope preview
[01:35] <John12> yeah
[01:35] <John12> i know
[01:35] <sfrique> won't do anything vey good
[01:35] <sfrique> on my device it doesn't even have GSM =/
[01:36] <random> what is GSM?
[01:36] <John12> well i hate GSM
[01:36] <sfrique> why? hahaha
[01:37] <sfrique> it thoourg gsm that you speak on the phone!
[01:37] <John12> i mean
[01:37] <John12> CDMA
[01:37] <John12> i want GSM
[01:37] <John12> i mean i have CDMA
[01:37] <sfrique> sure? your device is CDMA ?
[01:37] <John12> yea
[01:38] <sfrique> ubuntu doesn't support it yet
[01:39] <John12> is there windows mods for s 4g?
[01:43] <sfrique> you mena windows phone?
[01:44] <John12> i mean windows theme for nexus s 4g
[01:44] <John12> but the rom
[01:46] <sfrique> don't know
[01:46] <sfrique> well
[01:46] <sfrique> i am going!!
[01:47] <John12> alright bro, thanks for helping me
[01:47] <sfrique> no problem
[02:14] <mainakm> hey is there any way to install ubuntu touch on htc explorer?
[02:15] <mainakm> well before it releses or some pre release version
[02:34] <mainakm> ...............
[02:36] <zard> htc explorer only have 512 mb ROM
[02:37] <mainakm> yes... issnt it enough to run the mobile version
[02:37] <mainakm> and if we need we always have the sd-ext
[02:38] <zard> i went to desire hd forum and i found out that the devs there already port ubuntu preview for it
[02:38] <zard> even with 1.5Gb ROM, they only got something like 200mb for apps
[02:39] <BoardDWorld> what prerequisites do you need to add a PPA via ssh?
[04:35] <comjf> howdy guys, trying to learn how to use QML slots/signals, and all the tutorial I seem to find don't work for me it might be because none of them mention qtquick2applicationviewer which was made by default. My slots don't go their do they?
[04:51] <HandOfReform> Hello!
[06:11] <random> So when i look at my bootloader on my galaxy nexus it says Product name:  tuna variant: maguro but when i look at my phone info in the settings it says android version 4.1.1 build number JRO03C and that matches "mysid" and "toro" (https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#mysidjro03o) Any idea what version actually is ?
[07:15] <agent47> hi there.. just wanted to ask if there is a changelog is being maintained for the ubuntu/touch install
[07:51] <dun1982> hey, where should I start looking. My built image does not have /data/ubuntu -folder at all...
[08:22] <dpm> agent47, the changelog is in the works -> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00595.html
[08:37] <mainerror> Mhmm, so much for a rolling release. The last update broke my system and made it unbootable.
[09:42] <om26er> how do i run a qml test app on the tablet ?
[10:54] <gennro> ogra_, you there?
[11:04] <gennro> anyone know at all if Ubuntu-touch is going to have any JVM support (not android api)
[11:13] <ogra_> gennro, openjdk is available
[11:13] <gennro> ogra_, awesome
[11:14] <gennro> thanks
[12:26] <dank101> yo
[12:26] <dank101> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zk8W1A3_YI
[13:04] <om26er> whats the launchpad project for the notepad app ?
[13:06] <pmcgowan> om26er: notes-app
[13:06] <om26er> thx
[13:19] <P3T3> Hi all, can anybody explain to me what I am doing wrong during compilation? After build/envsetup.sh and brunch ac100 I have cm-10.10 **** zip where I am missing /system directory :-(
[13:51] <dun1982> Finally I got the answer for the question why my device (gt-p6800) did not boot after the image creation... I was missing the quantal-pre-build-image. The proting guide do not mentioned one single line about the actual data that you need for under /data/ubuntu...
[13:53] <rsalveti> dun1982: it says you need to flash 2 zip files
[13:53] <rsalveti> one for the android side, and the other for ubuntu
[13:53] <rsalveti> dun1982: please feel free to change the wikipage to add more details there
[13:56] <dun1982> Yeah, but the situation is similar that I had over 10 years ago in one of the companies that I worked (back then I was working with technical helpdesk...). I forgot to as the very basic question, that: "Does the printer have power cable attached to powersocket..." Because I did not ask that question I had to drive 400km for 1 minute work.
[13:57] <dun1982> We'll no biggie, I'll check what shape is the porting guide and then make modifications if necessary. It might be that I have missed that line alltogether last weekend or it was not there back then.
[13:58] <dun1982> But what is more important, that I know what was wrong and I might get it even fixed :)
[14:55] <trapntan> dun1982: that got me as well but mine for toro still doesn't boot, flashed the cm.zip and phablet.zip in recovery
[15:37] <dun1982> Hm... well, it is not booting yet :)
[15:37] <dun1982> Let's see if I find something from the logs now...
[15:45] <dun1982> So, no updates for logs in /data/ubuntu/var/logs/ ... Any idea what is freezing the ubuntu startup. It feels like the whole /data/ubuntu is either not mounted or something interesting is happening...
[15:45] <TheMuso> greyback: WRT testing, we would have to extend autopilot to know about the accessibility stack in order to make sure things are showing the correct info to that stack. I guess autopilot can do keyboard stuff, but with accessibility, testing requires making sure the correct nfo WRT each widget is exposed, i.e x/y position in the window, its actions, current state, etc.
[15:45] <TheMuso> greyback: Accerciser is a good tool to get to know, and learn about whats required.
[15:47] <genii-around> Is there any word yet when we may see a raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip    ?
[15:47] <greyback> TheMuso: I believe AP has access to all (and more) the properties that are exported by the a11y interface of the toolkit (for Qt I know for certain)
[15:48] <pmcgowan> genii-around: its being worked on this month
[15:48] <TheMuso> greyback: If AP can get what it needs from Qt itself, then I guess thats ok as well.
[15:48] <genii-around> pmcgowan: OK, thanks.
[15:50] <greyback> TheMuso: what needs to be done is for autopilot to be able to read the strings & hints that ultimately go to Orca
[15:50] <TheMuso> Right.
[15:52] <greyback> TheMuso: Orca gets more than just a string plus hints though, no? It gets the widget information, actions available, current state too?
[15:52] <TheMuso> Yes.
[15:53] <TheMuso> As well as role, x/y coordinates.
[15:53] <greyback> TheMuso: ok understood.
[15:54] <TheMuso> However atm in Qt5 retrieving coordinates is not possible, due to a bug in the Qt accessibility code for atspi. I started looking into it recently, but haven't gotten around to following up yet.
[15:55] <TheMuso> greyback: A quick scan of lp:autopilot doesn't show me anything obvious about Qt and accessibility checking...
[15:56] <greyback> TheMuso: do you know of any automated test system for a11y in apps? Something I can learn to see how it integrates into the a11y chain?
[15:56] <TheMuso> I.e the branch.
[15:56] <greyback> TheMuso: nope, I don't think any work was done on it :( Seriously, we need to fix that
[15:56] <TheMuso> greyback: LDTP is the best/only one I know of for a11y automated testing.
[15:57] <TheMuso> Well how fortunate that atspi has python bindings available. :)
[15:57] <greyback> TheMuso: aha!
[16:03] <knacht> Hey guys i want to try out ubuntu-touch on my already unlocked and flashed Nexus 7. I only find a instruction mentioning phablet tools. Is it possible to flash UT without phablet tools?
[16:05] <Mirv> for those who lost the ubuntu plugin from qtcreator on raring (since that one still comes from the PPA and raring got another update), I'm copying a new PPA version soon
[16:16]  * Mirv copied
[16:43] <geartrooper> hello.  I am interested in changing my android huawei ascend to run ubuntu and figured this might encourage someone to assist me in this endeavor
[16:44] <geartrooper> but, reading the topics, I see you have already considered this :/
[16:44] <geartrooper> I do have a few performance questions, though
[16:45] <geartrooper> Will the phone still make calls?  and how, if so?
[16:47] <geartrooper> anyone?
[16:50] <buh> according with guide, phone calls works with galaxy nexus and nexus 4
[16:52] <geartrooper> how?
[16:55] <buh> just install ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install (on nexus or nexus 4) and insert a sim card
[17:00] <geartrooper> and will I continue to pay for calls?
[17:00] <geartrooper> I use straight talk for this phone
[17:02] <geartrooper> my thought was perhaps skype was used for such
[17:06] <buh> dunno how straight talk work...but for skype, you need a app.and there isn't for now (i think)
[17:07] <geartrooper> what I'm asking is are calls free
[17:08] <ogra_> free ?
[17:08] <geartrooper> as in beer
[17:08] <buh> free ?
[17:08] <geartrooper> as in beer
[17:08] <geartrooper> :P
[17:08] <ogra_> they cost whatever your network provider charges you for
[17:08] <geartrooper> :/
[17:08] <ogra_> it depends on your SIM
[17:08] <geartrooper> if this were integrated with skype it would be huge
[17:09] <geartrooper> free calls, everywhere...
[17:09] <ogra_> ask microsoft to provide a skype client for ubuntu phone then
[17:09] <geartrooper> right away.
[17:09] <geartrooper> XD
[17:09] <buh> :)
[17:10] <geartrooper> why wouldn't they be happy to hand me the potential for meerions and meerions of dollars
[17:10] <_Scott_> just find someone elses sim card, put it in phone, free
[17:10] <geartrooper> heh
[17:10] <geartrooper> chaching!
[17:11] <geartrooper> skype and ubuntu would be the next napster
[17:11] <geartrooper> but legal
[17:11] <geartrooper>  :D
[17:13] <geartrooper> thank you for all the help and watery jokes :P
[17:57] <DanWin> hello, I have made a port for my phone, but after flashing I can't boot it, because /system/bin/sh does not exist
[17:57] <DanWin> , after making a symlink to /sbin/sh I get the following error "- exec '/system/bin/sh' failed: Permission denied (13)" can someone tell me what I have to change?
[18:07] <d0min8r3> Hello
[18:08] <d0min8r3> Hi
[18:23] <DanWin> hello, I have made a port for my phone, but after flashing I can't boot it, because "/system/bin/sh" does not exist,
[18:23] <DanWin> after making a symlink to /sbin/sh I get the following error "- exec '/system/bin/sh' failed: Permission denied (13)" can someone help me?
[18:24] <ogra_> the /system filesystem should have been created by your build
[18:25] <ogra_> you can just link to the ubuntu /bin/sh, they use different ABIs
[18:27] <DanWin> @ogra_, thanks, I'll try this
[18:28] <ogra_> (it should actually be inside your .zip)
[18:28] <ogra_> what i noticed when playing with a port to an SGS2 was that the recovery mode simply didnt mount /system before unzipping
[18:29] <ogra_> i would go into recovery, make sure with adb that /system and /data are mounted and flash boths zips again
[18:32] <DanWin> my /data partition is only 400 MB big, so I'm trying to install the generic part on my sdcard. The files are created, but the /system/bin/sh links to mksh, which doesn't work on my device, I'll try your suggestion later, thanks.
[18:36] <genii-around> Hashcode: My xt860 doesn't seem to like CM10 ... CM9 loads fine though.
[18:36]  * genii-around ponders kexec
[18:37]  * Hashcode also ponders kexec.
[18:38] <genii-around> Hashcode: Also I wanted to ask if there are md5 sums someplace for the files at http://goo.im/devs/Hashcode/solana/
[18:38] <Hashcode> yes right on the website
[18:38] <Hashcode> when you download the file it also shows the md5sum
[18:38] <genii-around> Hashcode: Ah, OK. I'm just using wget so didn't see those
[18:38] <Hashcode> I'm working on a new kexec kernel btw.
[18:39] <Hashcode> And I have an XT860 devtree now, so I may try setting up a 2nd flash .zip for that
[18:41] <genii-around> Hashcode: I'm getting the reboot cycle with CM10/10.1 and the quantal+JB ... the battery removal trick that works for some doesn't do anything here, I have to go back into Safestrap and change back to stock rom
[18:41] <Hashcode> So I take it the ubuntu-preview didn't work for you genii-around?
[18:41] <Hashcode> Hm
[18:41] <Hashcode> So none of the ROMs work for you?
[18:41] <Hashcode> CM9 doesn't count because it's not kexec.
[18:42] <genii-around> Hashcode: None of the kexec ones work, no
[18:42] <Hashcode> interesting.
[18:42] <genii-around> I haven't tried aosp/aokp
[18:42] <Hashcode> There are some XT860 users tho who are working no?
[18:50] <genii-around> Hashcode: Apologies on lag, work required me. ...yes, it would appear from comments at your page http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38636591  that it apparently works on some devices
[18:50] <Hashcode> What carrier / system version?
[18:52] <Mrnerd> Error: .size expression for pow does not evaluate to a constant make
[18:53] <Mrnerd> olga_
[18:53] <Mrnerd> ogra_
[18:53] <selena2013> hello
[18:53] <Mrnerd> hey
[18:53] <genii-around> Hashcode: GSM ( Rogers, in Canada, the phone is unlocked and rooted )
[18:55] <Hashcode> hmm
[18:55] <Mrnerd> Error: .size expression for pow does not evaluate to a constant make
[18:55] <Mrnerd> whats this mean?
[18:55] <genii-around> Hashcode: Should I submit boot logs or so?
[18:55] <Mrnerd> i dont even see the file.
[18:58] <Hashcode> genii-around you can get a bootlog?
[19:00] <genii-around> Hashcode: Hopefully! I'll see if I can cp it to somewhere from inside Safestrap where it won't get wiped when I boot back to stock
[19:06] <Mrnerd> hey everyone!
[19:07] <Mrnerd> http://pastebin.com/nQXNaavV
[19:09] <Tigrouzen> Mrnerd,
[19:09] <gh1234> Mrnerd: you need to edit bionic/libm/arm/e_pow.S, last line needs to be: "END(pow_neon)"
[19:10] <Tigrouzen> ;)
[19:10] <Mrnerd> oh yeah thanks
[19:10] <Mrnerd> i forgot i redid my system
[19:10] <Mrnerd> and redownloaded everything//
[19:10] <Tigrouzen> Mrnerd, that is i remember
[19:10] <Tigrouzen> ^^
[19:11] <Mrnerd> huh?
[19:11] <Mrnerd> yeah you told me to
[19:11] <Mrnerd> so i did
[19:11] <Cyrildz_Akh> hey matge
[19:11] <Mrnerd> plusi moved my repo to the android/system
[19:11] <Mrnerd> instead of my root lol
[19:11] <matge> Cyrildz_Akh: hey
[19:11] <Cyrildz_Akh> @matge, I want to help you with testing
[19:11] <Mrnerd> im glad i have 4g where i am lol
[19:12] <matge> Cyrildz_Akh: I'm currently reimplementing the logic as a telepathy backend
[19:12] <Tigrouzen> Mrnerd, Mac Os ?
[19:13] <Cyrildz_Akh> matge: so we can not test the app yet ?
[19:13] <matge> Cyrildz_Akh: there is a lot of change upcomming
[19:13] <matge> Cyrildz_Akh: so it may not be worth much
[19:14] <Cyrildz_Akh> matge: ok, let us know when you some test :)
[19:15] <matge> Cyrildz_Akh: I'll announce on the mailinglist
[19:15] <matge> Cyrildz_Akh: Thanks for asking, though
[19:15] <Cyrildz_Akh> matge: no to thanks :p
[19:16] <Cyrildz_Akh> I will just wait then
[19:16] <Mrnerd> fuck a mac.
[19:16] <Mrnerd> no im on ubuntu lol
[19:16] <Tigrouzen> No because i never had this problem maybe 32bit ?
[19:17] <Mrnerd> no im on 64bit.
[19:17] <Mrnerd> what problem?
[19:17] <Tigrouzen> about e_pow.S
[19:17] <Mrnerd> i hade it once before omac if i remember right told me the same thing.
[19:17] <Tigrouzen> Maybe depending hardware compile
[19:17] <Mrnerd> it didnt have the neon on the end.
[19:18] <Mrnerd> probably. im not sure i cant code.
[19:18] <Mrnerd> I dont even know what code this is.
[19:26] <gaara_akash> @rsalveti @jcastro wanted me to ping you regarding the working of NFC in Ubuntu-touch
[19:26] <rsalveti> gaara_akash: sure
[19:26] <gaara_akash> rsalveti, i've worked quite a bit on the android part, but i'd love to contribute in ubuntu too
[19:26] <rsalveti> something we didn't even started to discuss
[19:27] <gaara_akash> nice :)
[19:27] <gaara_akash> let me know if theres anyway that i can help
[19:28] <rsalveti> gaara_akash: I'll take a look just to know a bit more and create a blueprint for it
[19:28] <rsalveti> it might even be good to host a hangout session to discuss it
[19:28] <gaara_akash> that sounds good
[19:44] <DanielHolm> Hi guys, where is the code for the Facebook and Twitter app in the preview?
[19:44] <DanielHolm> I cant seem to find them.
[19:45] <Mrnerd> yooo
[19:45] <Mrnerd> i get that c
[19:46] <Mrnerd> int}' to 'int' inside { } is ill-formed in C++11 [-Werror=narrowing] cc1plus: all warnings being treated as errors make: *** [/home/mrnerdisg0d/android/system/out/target/product/jewel/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/copybit.msm8960_intermediates/copybit_c2d.o] Error 1 make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[19:54] <Humanis> hiho is there a way to put ubuntu touch on a Lenovo A1? (i know it is a extremly small peace of hardwarepower now but i wanna try it out)
[19:57] <cryptobeard> can someone assist me with an install on a nexus
[20:00] <Humanis> tried the tutorial already?
[20:01] <cryptobeard> yeah everything installed and ubuntu boots and comes to the lock screen and says 14 tweets but it won't respond to any touches to the screen
[20:02] <ogra_> cryptobeard, swipe from the left
[20:02] <cryptobeard> oh wow I feel stupid
[20:02] <cryptobeard> thanks
[20:02] <Humanis> ^^
[20:02] <Humanis> anayways to my question
[20:03] <Humanis> is it possible to run the ubuntu touch on a lenovo a1?
[20:04] <ogra_> Humanis, does cyanogenmod 10.1 run on it ?
[20:05] <Humanis> uhm lemme check just had an older version a few month ago
[20:07] <Humanis> seems like cyanogen mod7 was the latest atm i am running a custom android 4.0 rom on it
[20:08] <ogra_> well, you would need to find a port to CM 10.1 or do it yourself first ...
[20:08] <ogra_> porting the ubuntu tree then is very easy
[20:08] <Humanis> well I'd try to flash it my self but i need to know which zip i need to flash first because ir ecognized there was downloaded a small zip and a even larger zip downloaded via the phablet flash
[20:09] <ogra_> well, it wont work without porting the code first
[20:10] <cryptobeard> this has to be an easy answer but where the heck in terminal?
[20:13] <Mrnerd> omac,
[20:13] <Mrnerd> tig!
[20:13] <Mrnerd> tigrouzen
[20:14] <Tigrouzen> yep
[20:14] <Mrnerd> i HAVE another error
[20:14] <Mrnerd> http://pastebin.com/1UEDNsUs
[20:15] <Mrnerd> i replace it with a newer version of
[20:15] <Humanis> ok there is no cyanogen mod 10.1 for my device *sad*
[20:15] <Mrnerd> the file but i forgot what fiel i replaced/
[20:15] <steuersatz> nexus4: anyone who knows, what is controling the device when poweroff and the charger plugged in ( the white battery on screen)? native firmware of the device or something what changed after flashing the device with the developer preview?
[20:15] <Tigrouzen> wow
[20:16] <Mrnerd> Humanis build it.
[20:16] <Humanis> uff not today ^^
[20:16] <Mrnerd> lol
[20:16] <Mrnerd> i know the feeling lol
[20:17] <Humanis> need other serious stuff to do i just hoped there was a quick way XD
[20:17] <Humanis> damn carrier coaching tomorrow ^^
[20:17] <Mrnerd> lol right im porting to the LTE
[20:17] <Mrnerd> Evo
[20:17] <Tigrouzen> Mrnerd, first go on your source folder
[20:17] <Mrnerd> ok
[20:18] <williewallace> hi all
[20:18] <Tigrouzen> Mrnerd, then grep -R "dst->copybit_image_t::w" > log pastinlog its take some time before finish
[20:18] <Tigrouzen> or geme more line error
[20:18] <Mrnerd> ok
[20:18] <Tigrouzen> because i dont know on wich file its an error
[20:18] <Mrnerd> alright one sec sir.
[20:19] <williewallace> i am trying to install the bootstrap thru my recovery but keep getting error 7?
[20:21] <dun1982> Wait a minute, how can one install bootstrap?
[20:22] <dun1982> I'm doing a port and I think I'm missing the bootstrap!
[20:24] <williewallace> im running it thru recovery on the phone
[20:24] <dun1982> no wait, that was not what I needed, I just thought that has something to do with my image not booting.
[20:25] <dun1982> So to recap: I have generated the cm-10.1 image + downloaded the armhf.zip file and installed both via cwm with full wipes first.
[20:25] <dun1982> But my gt-p6800 does not mount or boot the damn /data/ubuntu files at all...
[20:27] <Tigrouzen> dun1982, make zip your device folder
[20:27] <Tigrouzen> upload it
[20:28] <dun1982> What if I share you the github location?
[20:28] <Tigrouzen> k
[20:28] <dun1982> kernel sources: https://github.com/dun1982/android_kernel_samsung_p6800
[20:28] <Tigrouzen> also you root init.rc and your device init.rc too
[20:28] <dun1982> device sources: https://github.com/dun1982/android_device_samsung_p6800
[20:28] <Tigrouzen> from kernel
[20:28] <Tigrouzen> k wait
[20:31] <dun1982> with both repositories, the repo sync, . build/envsetup.sh and brunch p6800 compile without issues.
[20:32] <Tigrouzen> dun1982, did you format data before ?
[20:33] <Tigrouzen> make me a zip from out folder a "root" folder upload it its something maybe wrong with fstab
[20:33] <Tigrouzen> then we can add it directly on init if its this an error
[20:38] <methyltryp> So I went ahead and installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7
[20:38] <methyltryp> It gets to the top screen
[20:38] <methyltryp> And freezes
[20:38] <ogra_> freezes ?
[20:38] <ogra_> how ?
[20:38] <methyltryp> yeah
[20:38] <Mrnerd> sorry
[20:38] <Tassadar> top? Oo
[20:38] <Mrnerd> ogra_!!!
[20:38] <ogra_> you cant swipe the launcher in from the left ?
[20:38] <methyltryp> I get the off-center drag circle
[20:38] <Mrnerd> help me bro..
[20:39] <methyltryp> But it ignores all my touches in all directions
[20:39] <methyltryp> Although the time continues to count up
[20:39] <Mrnerd> you broke it!
[20:39] <methyltryp> I know :(
[20:39]  * Tassadar realizes this is not #ubuntu-arm
[20:39] <Mrnerd> fix it!
[20:39] <ogra_> Mrnerd, with that code error ? i cant ... its something in the upstream code thats broken
[20:39] <Mrnerd> its c++11 or something
[20:39] <Mrnerd> omac sent me another one to replace it.
[20:43] <dank101> sorry
[20:43] <dank101> im in a storm
[20:44] <dun1982> Tigrouzen: so I make you the zip from out/target/product/p6800?
[20:44] <dun1982> Tigrouzen: or out/target/product/p6800/root?
[20:45] <ali1234> the new gcc "all warnings are errors" breaks literally everything
[20:45] <ali1234> it's really annoying but that's about it
[20:45] <Mrnerd> fixed
[20:45] <Mrnerd> thats
[20:45] <Mrnerd> emac fixed it for me
[20:45] <Mrnerd> i just for got how to fix it
[20:46] <ogra_> ali1234, thats not gcc .... some Makefile must set -Werror in your code
[20:46] <Tigrouzen> p6800
[20:46] <Tigrouzen> Mrnerd, its look need some aknowloged from C dev
[20:47] <Tigrouzen> Need to convert it
[20:47] <Tigrouzen> ...
[20:47] <ali1234> ogra_: something has definitely changed in gcc, i've had to fix several sources in the past few months because of this
[20:47] <Mrnerd> alright
[20:47] <Mrnerd> thanks
[20:47] <dun1982> uh ok. here is the first 661KB root-folder: https://mega.co.nz/#!4whEDYTb!XXr7yzfPut4e8T2frMp2ZyWjehJLOnurKZ84_5gAGfY
[20:47] <ali1234> either they have made -Werror or -Wall on by default
[20:47] <ogra_> ali1234, it got more strict, but not to a point like -Werror
[20:50] <dun1982> Tigrouzen: are u sure you want the whole 2.5GB of data?
[20:50] <dun1982> Tigrouzen: product$ du -hs p6800
[20:54] <Mrnerd> http://pastebin.com/RJsZyfHr
[20:54] <Tigrouzen> dun1982, can you go on recovery mode ?
[20:56] <dun1982> Sure.
[20:57] <Tigrouzen> Mrnerd, struct copybit_rect_t dr = { 0, 0, static_cast<int>(dst->w), static_cast<int>(dst->h) };
[20:57] <Tigrouzen> struct copybit_rect_t sr = { 0, 0, static_cast<int>(src->w), static_cast<int>(src->h) };
[20:57] <Tigrouzen> replace 2 line by this
[20:57] <Tigrouzen> struct copybit_rect_t dr = { 0, 0, static_cast<int>(dst->w), static_cast<int>(dst->h) };
[20:57] <Tigrouzen> struct copybit_rect_t sr = { 0, 0, static_cast<int>(src->w), static_cast<int>(src->h) };
[20:57] <Tigrouzen> dun1982, ok i need you past me name at this folder /dev/block/platform/dw_mmc/
[20:58] <dun1982> Tigrouzen: I'm now in adb shell (I have just made clean install by first installing the cm-10.1 image and right afterwards the quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[20:58] <Tigrouzen> all name
[20:58] <dun1982> Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[20:58] <dun1982> tmpfs                   389.8M     48.0K    389.7M   0% /dev
[20:58] <dun1982> /dev/block/mmcblk0p10 12.9G      5.7G      7.2G  44% /data
[20:58] <dun1982> /dev/block/mmcblk0p7    196.8M      4.2M    192.7M   2% /cache
[20:58] <Tigrouzen> ok good
[20:58] <Tigrouzen> ;)
[20:59] <Tigrouzen> dun1982, mount system folder on recovery mode then geme mmcblk...
[20:59] <dun1982> Note, I'm now in cwm recovery, so I can mount and dismount the blocks as I wish.
[21:00] <dun1982> /dev/block/mmcblk0p9    818.9M    181.9M    637.0M  22% /system
[21:00] <Tigrouzen> thank
[21:03] <Tigrouzen> dun1982, replace your init.smdk4210.rc by this http://pastebin.com/E4fygmtT
[21:03] <Tigrouzen> Mrnerd, its ok ?
[21:05] <Mrnerd> im testing it now sir.
[21:05] <Mrnerd> i think so tho
[21:05] <Mrnerd> thanks alot.
[21:07] <Mrnerd> anyone here have a sprint galaxy nexus?
[21:07] <Mrnerd> toroplus
[21:12] <dun1982> Tigrouzen: ok, thx a much. I'll try check if it works now.
[21:12] <selena2013> not me i have the q88
[21:20] <krabador> mibofra, here no help, for crappy samsung devices.
[21:20] <mibofra> :P krabador
[21:20] <krabador> :)
[21:34] <om26er> i cant install the sdk on quantal it says
[21:34] <om26er> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:34] <om26er>  ubuntu-sdk : Depends: qtbase5-dev but it is not going to be installed
[21:34] <om26er>               Depends: libqt5webkit5-dev but it is not going to be installed
[21:34] <om26er>               Depends: qtmultimedia5-dev but it is not going to be installed
[21:34] <om26er> i did what this link http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ told me
[21:35] <jppiiroi1en> ajalkane: hi, you mentioned yesterday that you had issues with ActionSelectionPopover, would you like to raise a bug on those to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+filebug ? ..if you could also attach small code snippets which i could execute and reproduce the issues, then it would be perfect :)
[21:36] <jppiiroi1en> ajalkane: i spoke today with one of the devs on the topic and we would like to make sure that the things which you pointed out would get investigated and fixed etc
[21:38] <ajalkane> jppiiroi1en: sure, I'll try put up a minimal example tomorrow of the issue and file a bug report
[21:38] <jppiiroi1en> ajalkane: kewl :) ..for example use the Tabs template as basis
[21:39] <jppiiroi1en> ajalkane: feel free to ping me if you need any help
[21:42] <ajalkane> Thanks. Once I have the minimal example it'll be easier to discuss whether it's a bug or just my misunderstanding how that component is supposed to work.
[22:04] <MrNerd> http://pastebin.com/ZHeYvj2j
[22:04] <MrNerd> another e_pow.s error
[22:05] <Tigrouzen> shit
[22:05] <MrNerd> ??
[22:05] <MrNerd> is it bad?
[22:05] <Tigrouzen> no but not easy to find why
[22:06] <MrNerd> it says "bad instruction `ask, d6'"
[22:07] <MrNerd>  Error: immediate value is out of range -- `vand.u64 d1,twoto1o2m'
[22:08] <MrNerd> i got it
[22:08] <Tigrouzen> difficult to find
[22:08] <MrNerd> ifound it
[22:08] <Tigrouzen> f ?
[22:08] <Tigrouzen> ^^
[22:08] <MrNerd>     @ twoto1o2mask = twoto1o2mask & twoto1o4     vand.u64        twoto1o2mask, twoto1o2mask, twoto1o4     @ twoto1o2mask = twoto1o2mask & twoto1o4     vand.u64        twoto1o4mask, twoto1o4mask, twoto1o4
[22:08] <MrNerd> it was spaced.
[22:37] <darkdragon-001> how many place is needed in /data ? my install failes with the warning that there is not enough space...
[22:38] <Tigrouzen> format it before
[22:38] <Tigrouzen> 1.3go
[22:38] <darkdragon-001> well, it tells me that 4G are not enough...
[22:59] <RobbyF> I thought changelogs were coming out this week
[22:59] <MrNerd> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2175885
[22:59] <darkdragon-001> Okay, I found a bug within the phablet-flash script. How can I submit a fix?
[23:00] <Tigrouzen> ^^
[23:00] <ali1234> RobbyF: there's no specific deadline for that :(
[23:00] <RobbyF> of course not.
[23:00] <ali1234> just "soon"
[23:01] <RobbyF> I though someone mentioned tuesday which prompted me to question.
[23:01] <ali1234> that's not something i've heard
[23:01] <ali1234> changelogs probably won't be.... well, concise
[23:02] <ali1234> but rather just an aggregate of package changelogs
[23:03] <ali1234> darkdragon-001: your best bet at this point is to tsend it to the mailing list
[23:03] <ali1234> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[23:03] <darkdragon-001> no one currently here from phablet-tools team? It's just a one character fix :D
[23:04] <ali1234> well they've all been at vUDS all day
[23:04] <habstinat> When I try to run phablet-flash from my non-Ubuntu system, I get the following error: <http://sprunge.us/HKFR>. The old version (the first phablet-flash) worked fine for me when I compiled it myself; what dependency am I missing this time?
[23:05] <darkdragon-001> ali1234: thanks, I'll write it on the list...
[23:06] <ali1234> darkdragon-001: regarding /data you need 1.5GB absolute minimum
[23:06] <ali1234> this is due to the way the roms are unpacked during flashing
[23:06] <ali1234> i flashed on SGS which has 1.5GB /data and usage peaked at 96% during flashing (you can watch it on adb while in recovery)
[23:07] <ali1234> after flashing finished, usage dropped to around 60%
[23:08] <darkdragon-001> Well there is a check inside the phablet-flash python script which checks for more then 4G displayed via df for /data. But since that partition has only 5G for me and it is displayed in gigabyte, it will never be MORE than 4G. That's why I would suppose to change it to greater or equal (>=) to 4G on line 282 (just did it locally for me and everything worked fine...
[23:09] <darkdragon-001> (using Nexus 4 8GB version)
[23:09] <ali1234> that might be a new thing
[23:09] <ali1234> the original flashing tool did not wipe data before flashing which caused a problem for me
[23:10] <ali1234> i had to manually format /data to make enough space
[23:10] <ali1234> really though >= 2GB should be enough... i wonder why they chose 4GB
[23:10] <darkdragon-001> well the free space check was added on 2013-02-25 by sergio schvezov http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-tools/trunk/revision/58
[23:11] <ali1234> hmm ... well to be honest i didn't use phablet-flash
[23:11] <ali1234> since it doesn't support SGS anyway
[23:11] <ali1234> you can flash manually with recovery
[23:11] <ali1234> it's a bit difficult with the official images because it is slit into so many parts
[23:12] <darkdragon-001> just changed the one character in the script and ran it again :D
[23:12] <ali1234> but when you are porting you only get two images: the CM stuff and the ubuntu rootfs stuff
[23:12] <darkdragon-001> last time I did it, everything worked fine on my Nexus 4. And after the change now everything set up just well :)
[23:12] <ali1234> so you just load them from eg clockworkmod like a normal rom
[23:13] <darkdragon-001> okay and then you manually flash these two images?
[23:13] <darkdragon-001> nice to know :)
[23:13] <ali1234> yep
[23:13] <ali1234> you can do some with all the official images it just takes longer
[23:14] <ali1234> CM by default builds a single zip for it all (expcept rootfs)
[23:15] <darkdragon-001> after flashing in recovery, you then test if the device boots up, if not you try to catch the errors and fix it? How can you debug the starting process?
[23:16] <ali1234> well, you have to have a bit of knowledge to do that
[23:18] <darkdragon-001> yeah of course :D
[23:19] <darkdragon-001> I tried to write some basic apps and want to get involved in some of the core apps before I dig deepter into the core
[23:23] <ali1234> not my area i'm afraid
[23:23] <ali1234> i havent' got around to fixing up my SDK installation yet
[23:49]  * darkdragon-001[A is now away - Reason : Auto-Away (Away from Keyboard for 30 minutes)


[03:46] <guiverc> Bashing-om, so far two petty suggestions on gdoc (the hub)
[03:55] <Bashing-om> guiverc: looking -
[04:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: One edit done - the one for the semi-colon change I think we should leave as a comma.
[04:05]  * guiverc got called away from keyboard again... up to audio/video
[04:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I too bounce around - priority and precedence :P
[04:28] <guiverc> Bashing-om, my read thru is complete... that's all I noted/reacted to.  Thank you sir!
[04:30] <Bashing-om> guiverc: It's your sharp eyes too - my friend.
[16:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Using LXD to host your own ERP, cost-effectively @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/using-lxd-to-host-your-own-erp-cost-effectively
[19:45] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - will start the push soonest.
[20:07] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done. Script warns again or line 77 format for the Fridge. // Doing the re-directs next.
[20:24] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed - pending is the M/L notification and release to the Social Media.
[23:18] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-752/
[23:18] <guiverc> (two links redone on fridge)
[23:19]  * guiverc a little late today; forgot it's tuesday (my publish day)
[23:22] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check - checks all good.
[23:22] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om , tweeted 752, posted to telegram etc
[23:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear now to wipe Gdoc ? Needed too is the M/L notification.
[23:25] <guiverc> thanks for reminder... 752 sent to ML ; clear away
[23:26] <Bashing-om> doing ^ :D
[23:39] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue753 off to a start :D
[23:49] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 752 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-752/


[20:12] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/v2rSdqGcsR/
[20:12] <leftyfb> can we do something about this?


 I decided to stay as an Ubuntu/Xubuntu translator however
[19:48] <GunnarHj> luna: I'm glad you did.


[00:34] <rzgd> on the ubuntu server installer with pre-exiting and unlocker dm-crypt partitions, the installer is trying  to read keyfiles when not needed, and throws an error on block_meta.py line 1384, but being a preserved partition it shouldn't, error doesnt happen in the desktop version
[00:48] <sarnold> rzgd: I think there's a 'report bug' entry in the menu in the upper right hand corner
[00:48] <sarnold> rzgd: could you file one on this? :) thanks
[00:55] <mwhudson> the handling of existing dm-crypt devices is not so great :(
[00:56] <sarnold> morning mwhudson :)
[02:59] <rzgd> sarnold: i sent several reports yesterday :)
[02:59] <rzgd> just wondering if there is an easy way to by-pass, i tried commenting the line but the snap is read-only
[03:37] <mwhudson> you can play bind mount games to get around that but it's tedious
[07:18] <albech> Anyone here who is a champ in mail headers and SPF that will have a look at mail to see why the SPF is not being validated?
[08:40] <icey> Hey jamespage - I'm seeing a new set of test failures in the latest OpenStack milestone and couldn't figure anything, so I retried the m2 packages, and they're failing the same way. I'm not sure what the best approach is to ride tidying what changed but it looks like something landed in G that's hurting me
[08:43] <jamespage> icey: log?
[08:45] <icey> jamespage: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8TD5j233GD/
[08:48] <jamespage> icey: hmm yeah
[08:48] <jamespage> icey: I'd probably look at the build logs for the last built version in groovy and try to figure out which deps have changed
[08:55] <icey> jamespage: I don't know where to look to find the last built version in groovy
[08:55] <icey> could you give me a pointer please?
[09:05] <jamespage> icey: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/designate
[09:05] <jamespage> follow the links to the individual package versions
[09:06] <icey> thanks jamespage
[09:37] <icey> jamespage: only 61 package changes it looks like ;-P https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/cd6K2nZnNN/
[10:15] <jamespage> yeah but you can probably narrow it down - maybe dnspython?
[10:15] <jamespage> that's a major version bump
[10:16] <jamespage> icey: I would suspect that - upstream is pinned to 1.16.0
[10:17] <icey> jamespage: well, pinned-ish, maybe - dnspython>=1.16.0
[10:18] <jamespage> look at upper-constraints.txt in the requirements project as well
[10:18] <jamespage> that's used to limit transient breaks
[10:19] <icey> I see what you mean
[10:20] <icey> so jamespage, it seems like openstack packages are now conflicting on groovy, since they can't be 1.16?
[10:20] <jamespage> icey: welcome to being a distribution
[10:20] <jamespage> :)
[10:20] <jamespage> moving backwards is not possible, so we need to debug and fix designate to be compat with 2.0.0 of dnspython I would suspect
[10:22] <icey> and any other consumers of dnspython
[11:01] <icey> jamespage: it just gets better and better: eventlet 0.26.1 has requirement dnspython<2.0.0,>=1.15.0, but you'll have dnspython 2.0.0 which is incompatible.
[11:02] <icey> and the version of eventlet actually in groovy is 0.25.2
[11:06] <icey> that version hasn't (yet) pinned the dnspython to less than 2 :-P
[11:09] <icey> on the plus side, forcing it to work with dnspython>=2 fails in the same way, so I'll work on a fix (that won't be acceptable upstream until the rest of the ecosystem moves forward :-/)
[12:23] <icey> jamespage: this is looking bad - eventlet downgraded from dnspython2 because it broke a lot of bits - Nova folk are also commenting on this issue: https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/issues/619
[12:23] <icey> so, with an older eventlet in groovy, we can install it, but things using eventlet may be very broken
[16:28] <gunix> is there any way to downgrade this? https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libc-bin
[16:28] <gunix> i can find only the latest version in the mirrors
[16:28] <gunix> i need 2.23-0ubuntu11, not 2.23-0ubuntu11.2
[16:29] <RoyK> what's wrong with the new one?
[16:31] <gunix> RoyK: some very old internal library is failing with the new one
[16:32] <gunix> can we rsync this from another node that still has the older packages? :-D
[16:47] <sdeziel> gunix: you can get the old binaries from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/2.23-0ubuntu11
[16:54] <gunix> ty
[17:07] <RoyK> gunix: I guess setting up a vm or container to run that archaic code would be a better idea and just isolate it from everything else on the net
[17:34] <RoyK> gunix: or just recompile the old lib
[18:46] <gunix> RoyK: that is sadly not an option
[18:58] <RoyK> gunix: neither of them?
[19:07] <gunix> no  :-(
[19:12] <RoyK> gunix: why not a vm?
[19:13] <gunix> RoyK: cause the server is already deployed on hundreds of physical servers
[19:13] <gunix> and they have to stay alive
[19:14] <RoyK> hm - ok - so you have an old library and its app to which you don't have any code and that is running on hundreds of physical machines? sounds a wee bit like bad planning to me
[19:19] <oerheks> such ol' glibc, there is no reason to use it.
[19:24] <RoyK> gunix: from where did this software come?
[19:24] <gunix> internal software. The legacy one, nobody touched in years
[19:24] <gunix> :-D
[19:25] <RoyK> but the code is there somewhere?
[19:25] <RoyK> and someone can probably read it, even if it was written in FORTRAN77
[20:04] <znf> Hey - question question in regards to UFW
[20:04] <znf> I haven't really dabbled with iptables/netfilter in ages, so I just resorted to use UFW
[20:04] <znf> I did a fresh install of UFW, I only enabled ssh/http/https
[20:04] <znf> everything works when I test, I haven't gotten any reports of it not working
[20:05] <znf> yet... I get messages in my log about blocks to port 80
[20:06] <znf> Most of my traffic on that server comes from Cloudflare, so I see a lot of their IPs in the logs, but I don't get why
[20:22] <oerheks> znf,  i would start with enable ufw logs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW#Logging
[20:23] <TJ-> znf: multiple IP addresses and/or interfaces?
[20:23] <oerheks> some blocks are explainable, old post; https://askubuntu.com/questions/299964/why-is-ufw-logging-block-messages-regarding-a-port-for-which-ufw-is-configured
[20:24] <znf> TJ-: multiple IPs yes
[20:24] <znf> As far as I can tell, there is no actual block
[20:24] <znf> Just... Logging? For... Reasons?
[20:25] <TJ-> znf: maybe there's just a logging rule enabled
[20:25] <TJ-> znf: is the log entry in the kernel log? is it prefixed with a UFW indicator so you can tell what is generating it?
[20:25] <TJ-> znf: "sudo iptables -nvL INPUT" might help spot the rule doing the reporting
[20:28] <znf> the output of -S does show logs, yes: https://pastie.dev/uh7gO2
[20:28] <znf> but it's so very weird to have them show up as UFW BLOCK when... there's no actual blocking
[20:30] <TJ-> It looks like that is due to the limit rules, when the number of connections exceeds the limit in a certain time they get blocked (anti denial of service rules)
[20:32] <znf> but there doesn't actually seem to be a limit
[20:32] <znf> it's just -j LOG
[20:35] <znf> at least taht's what I understand
[20:46] <znf> oerheks, I believ that logging is enabled by default, hence... why I see the log messages :)
[20:47] <znf> and yes, setting logging off gets rid of the messages
[20:47] <znf> not something I really want
[20:47] <TJ-> znf: is the target i/f or IP on the local host or in a container (and thus affected by FORWARD rules) ?
[20:47] <znf> nope, it's a stand-alone server, no container, just runs nginx
[20:50] <TJ-> znf: I was going to point to the ufw-before-logging-input chain but that's empty, and the ufw-user-input is called from ufw-before-input so port 80 connections shouldn't reach the -A ufw-after-logging-input -m limit --limit 3/min --limit-burst 10 -j LOG --log-prefix "[UFW BLOCK] "


[08:04] <sakrecoer> eylul, zequence: while i have no problem with the grey and the blue being redefined, i'd like to remind you it would be the third time you look them over now :)
[08:06] <sakrecoer> doesn't mean it is not worth a 3rd try though obviously
[08:15] <sakrecoer> eylul: i was bored, so i did this: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/websitebackgrounds-license/
[08:15] <sakrecoer> the license of the images are included.
[08:15] <sakrecoer> now, feel free to just disregard those, and go with your own flow :)
[08:16] <sakrecoer> i'm still working on the graphics one... not sure i will have it done in time tbh
[08:17] <eylul> thanks sakrecoer
[08:19] <sakrecoer> would perhaps be nice with the mandelbulb vibe of geirdal, but i don't have any such images rendered out atm
[08:19] <eylul> actually I wouldn't be against dropping that
[08:19] <eylul> and making the image less busy
[08:20] <eylul> I was going to go with a piano and earphones photo for audio but this looks good :D
[08:20] <eylul> sakrecoer: are these your modified renders?
[08:20] <eylul> as in did you modify these renders on blender?
[08:21] <sakrecoer> yes, i replaced logos and moved camera arround, fideled with render compositing..
[08:21] <sakrecoer> but eylul, please, if you do have time: try those photos!
[08:21] <sakrecoer> :)
[08:21] <eylul> I will!
[08:21] <eylul> I as going to suggest if we go with your renders
[08:22] <eylul> maybe make the texts/labels that are white, closer to the color of the background of whatever they are sitting on
[08:22] <sakrecoer> eylul: as in less contrast?
[08:22] <sakrecoer> why not :)
[08:22] <eylul> yes
[08:23] <eylul> lets try that ok meanwhile let me dig my camera out
[08:25] <sakrecoer> i might as well tell you all now: my family is taking me on a trip from friday-sunday this week for my birfday. so i wont be much arround..
[08:25] <sakrecoer> reading the list though, of course.
[08:25] <eylul> oh! well 1) have a fun trip! 2) lets try to get website progressing somewhat before then then. :D
[08:26] <sakrecoer> yes :)
[08:28]  * eylul is walking around the room taking pictures
[08:30]  * sakrecoer imagine eylul has 8 arms :D
[08:30] <sakrecoer> hehe... i'm doing this wrong: topic in OT, OT in topic
[08:32] <eylul> hah we all fail at that
[08:32] <eylul> if anybody has a proper videocam, and can snap a picture of it let us know? otherwise we'll go with either sakrecoer's or my solutions *chuckles*
[08:34] <sakrecoer> eylul: "it" being...? stuff related to Audio, Video and Graphics i presume :p?
[08:35] <sakrecoer> chamois: yes, this is a good place to ask question about developement :)
[08:35] <eylul> video specifically
[08:36] <eylul> I think both of our photos covers graphics and audio work flows enough.
[08:36] <sakrecoer> oh.. i thought the camera was for video.. :D
[08:38] <sakrecoer> maybe this one works better for video: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/websitebackgrounds-license/video2.png
[08:38] <eylul> it is!
[08:38] <sakrecoer> less obvious that it is a DSLR.. although, i reckon most homevideos are shot with DSLR now adays..
[08:38] <sakrecoer> eylul: it is what is what? :D
[08:39] <eylul> the camera picture of yours, for video
[08:39] <eylul> but I figured a more proper videocam could be better, IF somebody has one
[08:39]  * eylul uses her cellphone to do most things these days
[08:39] <sakrecoer> ah! :) i understand what you mean. But we yet have to figure something or graphics.
[08:39] <sakrecoer> *For graphics
[08:40] <sakrecoer> it isn't exaclty covered...
[08:40] <sakrecoer> i have a modeled a pencil in blender..
[08:40] <chamois> Do you have any suggestion for the features to show in the video?
[08:40] <sakrecoer> (for graphics) but i have quite some fiddleing to do before i can render it
[08:41] <sakrecoer> chamois: yes, it should cover our mainworkflows: Audio, Video and Grapphics
[08:41] <sakrecoer> those "are" the features: with ubuntu studio, you should be set up to produce media in those 3 workflows
[08:42] <sakrecoer> of couse, it would be interesting to find a way to emphasise FOSS dimension
[08:43] <sakrecoer> chamois: this is the static version of the feature tour: http://www.ubuntustudio.zequence.net/
[08:43] <sakrecoer> if you scroll down..
[08:43] <sakrecoer> (maybe a button that links to an anchor on the page would be good, eylul ? ) its easy to miss that the page goes way down)
[08:48] <sakrecoer> eylul: nevermind that for now, i will put those details properly in reply to your excellent email :)
[08:50] <eylul> I have graphics covered I think
[08:50] <eylul> images incoming in a few minutes
[08:52] <chamois> "FOSS"?
[08:55] <sakrecoer> chamois: Free Open Source Software
[08:56] <chamois> ok thanks
[08:57] <sakrecoer> ryl guys o/
[08:57] <eylul> bye sakrecoer
[15:07] <eylul> sakrecoer: http://ubuntustudio.azbulutlu.org/websiteImages/
[15:28] <zequence> sakrecoer: Start by using the built-in function for apt: sudo apt-get build-dep fontmanager
[15:29] <zequence> Oh, was an old comment. I seem to have scrolled all the windows
[17:31] <sakrecoer> zequence: :) it happens to me too sometimes !
[17:33] <sakrecoer> eylul: i love it! the composition is great! my favourite is the graphics one. My only concern is that i see lots of finger fat and dirt on the tablet (and on the lens of your mobile)
[17:33] <eylul> hahah
[17:33] <eylul> I can probably redo the graphics one
[17:34] <sakrecoer> eylul: if it isn't too much hustle, i'd like that a lot! just wipe the tablet clean and you are there
[17:34] <eylul> how do you see that there is dirt on the lens of my mobile, one has to ask?
[17:35] <eylul> the tablet I get, that's my intuos which hasn't been used in ages ;D
[17:35] <sakrecoer> it gets "milky".. there is like form of... ghost/fog glare.
[17:36] <eylul> that is not actually the lens issue
[17:36] <eylul> the image in question was.. over exposed a bit. did you check the tinted versions btw? because that's ultimately what we will use in background
[17:37] <sakrecoer> well, try to clean it, and you will see a lot of difference... its a hard task because they get very greasy from the hand and dusty from the pocket/bag
[17:37] <sakrecoer> sorry i missed the tinted ones
[17:38] <sakrecoer> yeah! works much better
[17:38] <eylul> *nods*
[17:38] <sakrecoer> in that light the dirt actualy give it character
[17:38] <sakrecoer> like it is actualy being used
[17:38] <eylul> heheh
[17:38] <krytarik> zequence: Just changed the default theme to Numix Blue, as well as merged -lightdm-theme into -default-settings along the way - can you please reupload these two?
[17:38] <eylul> yup
[17:39] <sakrecoer> i think, your audio background, tinted, works better than mine. graphics is cool! but i prefer the video with my image and your tint.
[17:40] <sakrecoer> krytarik: \o/ <3
[17:40] <eylul> yeah my video image didn't work at ALL with tint, so I didn't even bother uploading it, its there to complete the set, that's all. ;D I don't know I am torn between my audio one and yours
[17:41] <sakrecoer> if you could just try clean the tablet for the graphics one a litle bit.. hehe... or fake it :p
[17:41] <sakrecoer> is just... the glossyness of the tablet, could be.... sharper/cleaner
[17:42] <sakrecoer> eylul: if i have to be honnest to myself, i think your audio and my audio are equal, but yours says more "computer music"
[17:42] <eylul> I wonder if yours might work if you rendered it from another angle and removed the text on shiny area
[17:42] <eylul> I am thinking purely from a "this will be a background" aesthethic
[17:43] <eylul> and re graphics, I'll retake the picture tomorrow
[17:43] <sakrecoer> i can try that :)
[17:44] <eylul> but yeah agreed, with video I think your thing is the best we have currently, unless somebody has a brilliant idea.
[17:44] <eylul> (or actually actual dedicated video gear they can photograph)
[17:52] <zequence> krytarik: We need to have ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme dropped from the archive then
[17:53] <krytarik> zequence: Not yet, it's a transition.
[17:53] <zequence> krytarik: Well, we have two packages that add the same file, don't we?
[17:55] <zequence> I can of course upload -lightdm-theme as well, to make sure that doesn't happen
[17:57] <zequence> But, not sure that's going to work perfectly as things are now. binary form  of -lightdm-theme seems to be an empty package right now, correct?
[17:58] <krytarik> Yes - that's how transitioning a package works.
[17:58] <zequence> krytarik: Why are you removing lightd-theme, as a package, btw?
[17:59] <zequence> Right, it depend on -default-settings. Now, I see. But, still. Why is the theming not separate anymore?
[18:01] <zequence> Not an immensly big deal, but what if someone wants to install just the the theming?
[18:02] <krytarik> ...What if one just wants to grab the Xfwm theme?
[18:03] <zequence> Well, if you want to clean things up, why not make sure theming is separate then?
[18:05] <zequence> (if something is not installable by itself, I mean - which I don't know if that is true=
[18:13] <zequence> Besides, why would -lightdm-theme want to bring in -default-settings? Again, probably less then 10 people who will be bothered by that, but still
[18:20] <sakrecoer> zequence, krytarik: i'd rather not split the themeing up into many packages. the plan is to get numix blue into debian as soon as possible anyway, so those who want just that, can either use the source or wait just a little more.
[18:22] <zequence> sakrecoer: numix blue is already in our own archive, just not set as default for Ubuntu Studio. But, now there was another change. Our lightdm theme was merged into our -default-settings. -lightdm-theme remains as a transitional package which now depends on -default-settings (none of that uploaded yet)
[18:23] <zequence> There's no sense in making a theme pull in ubuntustudio-default-settings
[18:23] <zequence> It's not the kind of change that will blow up peoples computers, but I need to know why this would be reasonable before I upload
[18:26] <sakrecoer> zequence: we set light-dm in -default-settings, don't we?
[18:28] <zequence> sakrecoer: Not the lightdm look. Only the ubuntustudio session, which is a separate thing
[18:28] <DalekSec> zequence: ...From what I see the lightdm package contained one config file, so not really a theme at all, just some config which is why it'd make perfect sense to have it in -settings, and since there is no theme in the package calling it '-lightdm-theme' is a misnomer.
[18:30] <zequence> DalekSec: The binary package ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme would pull in the theming needed, and set that for lightdm
[18:31] <DalekSec> So, having basically a metapackage for a lightdm theme?  Seems a bit much.
[18:31] <DalekSec> (I presume you know about lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings)
[18:33] <zequence> DalekSec: Yes, but making a theme pull in our -default-settings makes no sense
[18:33] <zequence> If one want to merge the lightd theme with -settings - fine. But, then remove the original package all togethjer
[18:33] <zequence> Making it transitional makes no sense
[18:34] <zequence> We have things like grub configs, swappiness changes, etc
[18:34] <zequence> That doesn't seem to relate with theming
[18:35] <zequence> So, I would recommend waiting with such a change until next cycle, when we are not post FF
[18:35] <zequence> It doesn't improve anything. Rather the opposite
[18:37] <zequence> And, how does that work, anyway? When an old package is removed, but a new one will install the same file? Does that conflict somehow?
[18:37] <zequence> ..between upgrades, that is
[18:38] <sakrecoer> i'm confused... is it -settings that pull in lightdm or light-dm that pulls in settings?
[18:40] <DalekSec> zequence: I just don't really see how it degrades anything, though yeah past FF isn't the ideal time.  Package a is installed while package b isn't, package a depends on package b while package b sets breaks/replaces on the older version of package a that contained the file(s).  Standard transition, no?
[18:41] <zequence> DalekSec: -lightdm-theme is an installable package, by itself. It's a package that provides lightdm-theming. Now, it provides -default-settings
[18:42] <zequence> I think it depends on what you mean by degrade
[18:42]  * DalekSec shrugs.
[18:42] <zequence> It changes from being a theming package to being a ubuntustudio-default-settings package with all sorts of settings that are not in any way related to lightdm
[18:43] <zequence> Now, I picture only a handful people may be in that situation. But, for me, that doesn't matter. It's matter of logic and sense.
[18:44] <zequence> So, again, what is the reason to this change? What is the improvement? If someone can tell me that in a way that makes sense, I can make the upload.
[18:46] <zequence> Otherwise, I would rather the lightdm-theme merge was reverted, and I can upload the part which makes the new theme default
[18:51] <krytarik> zequence: #6 here - https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition
[18:52] <zequence> krytarik: Yes, but this is not about package transition. You are transitioning a theme into something else
[18:53] <zequence> This reminds me of file renaming
[19:05] <sakrecoer> i see 2 in favour and 1 against.
[19:06] <zequence> sakrecoer: It's not vote. I do the uploads, and if I feel a change is bad, and you can't convince me with a single argument why it is good, then you're out of luck
[19:06] <zequence> You can always try with someone else
[19:06] <zequence> I'm not the only one with upload rights in the Ubuntu community, after all
[19:07] <zequence> What I would like to see is the argument. There has been none, so far.
[19:07] <zequence> The majority is quite often not right, which I'm sure you are all aware of.
[19:08] <zequence> Anyway, I'll be in touch
[19:16] <sakrecoer> zequence: isn't DalekSec argument valid to you? i'm not putting up a vote, i'm just trying to understand and seeing 2 in favour and one against
[19:17] <sakrecoer> zequence: but sure, it's your choice to decide what to do with your upload powers
[19:25] <zequence> sakrecoer: I don't see a definitive argument for. More of a "why not", but not "this is why"
[19:26] <zequence> OvenWerks: Didn't you often propagate for a separate settings for audio configs?
[19:26] <zequence> This is also something that could be separated, in fact.
[19:26] <zequence> The whole thing is a soup.
[19:27] <zequence> sakrecoer: Also, I already gave my reason for why not plenty of times.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> zequence: My main argument for a new theme would be:
[19:28] <OvenWerks> 1) big enough "handles" that they are actually grabable without fiddling
[19:29] <OvenWerks> 2) title bar very oviously shows which window has focus.
[19:29] <zequence> OvenWerks: Right, but we were talking about a merge between -lightdm-theme and -defailt-settings, where a transitional package of -lightdm-theme would depend on -default-settings
[19:29] <OvenWerks> In my opinion greybird does not do these things.
[19:29] <zequence> The new theme is already in
[19:29] <OvenWerks> Ah
[19:30] <zequence> And, the changes to -default-settings where that theme is made default are already in
[19:30] <zequence> But, there's an additional change
[19:30] <OvenWerks> I don't see any reason to merge
[19:30] <OvenWerks> having separate packages allows easier changes.
[19:31] <zequence> And, beyond that, if you make -lightdm-theme a transitional package, suddenly depending on -default-settings, you make a theme package bring in ubuntustudio-default-settings for no apparent reason
[19:32] <OvenWerks> If the theme is unique to Studio, it should be ubuntustudio-theme.
[19:32] <OvenWerks> zequence: right.
[19:33] <krytarik> zequence: For the reason that the user who supposedly only has the LightDM theming installed, keeps it.
[19:34] <OvenWerks> krytarik: ??
[19:34] <OvenWerks> then -desktop should depend on it.
[19:35] <zequence> krytarik: Keeps it, and gets something else that they may not have bargained for.
[19:36] <zequence> See, this is why we communicate. To make sure things go right
[19:37] <OvenWerks> zequence: is there a reason to not set cpu governor to Performance or at least add that to -controls?
[19:37] <zequence> OvenWerks: I would not mind adding that to -controls, but I haven't had the motivation or time for that yet.
[19:38] <OvenWerks> :) understood.
[19:39] <zequence> Can someone please just tell me why this merge is so damn important, that it overshadows everything else on this planet, and no one is willing to back down a single bit.
[19:39]  * OvenWerks is not very good at python...
[19:39] <zequence> It's getting ridiculous.
[19:40] <zequence> Either you want the package to be right. Or, you want to be right. It's no the same thing
[19:40] <zequence> You know "==" and "!="
[19:40] <zequence> ..as related to the package
[19:41] <zequence> Actually...
[19:41] <OvenWerks> separate packages allows one of them to be rcomends
[19:42] <OvenWerks> That makes it easier to replace one with another
[19:42] <zequence> I'm totally through with this bullshit. So, get yourself another uploader.
[19:43] <zequence> I'm not not doing another one for Studio again.  For the rest of you, see you when I see you
[19:56] <sakrecoer> what happened? i was on the phone.. am i not seeing someones chats?
[19:59] <eylul> no clue I just walked into this as well
[22:42] <zequence> I've dropped out of all the teams. I made sakrecoer the owner of the core LP team, so he now controls all of launchpad stuff as far as Ubuntu Studio goes. It's up to you guys now. Don't spend your time renaming files...


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[04:11] <Kilos> yeah im not ready to go to the happy hunting grounds yet
[04:13] <Kilos> we have a loco reverification tomorrow and i cant get a time
[04:14] <Kilos> the loco council seems kinda sluggish
[04:14] <Kilos> they need new hearts too
[04:17] <tsimonq2> Kilos: :(
[04:21] <tsimonq2> Not sure what to tell you besides this...
[04:21] <Kilos> hehe
[04:21] <Kilos> not serious ill keep trying
[04:21] <tsimonq2> !lococouncil | Please help Kilos reverify his LoCo!
[04:21] <ubot5`> Please help Kilos reverify his LoCo!: The LoCo Council is coolbhavi, PabloRubianes, nhaines, wxl, svij, and lunapersa - they are here to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:22] <tsimonq2> Kilos: There, I know wxl wxl wxl wxl wxl (lol) is an IRC guy so he should be around sooner or later. :)
[04:22] <Kilos> ty
[04:23] <Kilos> yeah , he comes on much later and been quiet as well for a while
[04:23] <Kilos> but ill grab svig
[04:51] <franco80> hola a todos
[04:51] <franco80> alguien en linea?
[04:51] <tsimonq2> !es | franco80
[04:51] <ubot5`> franco80: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[04:51] <franco80> hi everyone
[04:51] <tsimonq2> franco80: Pero yo hablo Español un poco.
[04:51] <franco80> im living in peru, i want buy a ubuntu tablet
[04:52] <franco80> someone knows a website for buy it?
[04:54] <tsimonq2> franco80: No se, pregunta en #ubuntu-es o pregunta jose, ello es en Peru.
[04:54] <tsimonq2> (sorry for my terrible Spanish, tl;dr, in English: I don't know, asn in #ubuntu-es or ask jose, he is in Peru.)
[04:54] <tsimonq2> *ask
[04:55] <tsimonq2> Aw well I tried. :)
[04:55] <tsimonq2> jose: How terrible was my Spanish? :P
[05:00] <Kilos> you tried tsimonq2 thats what counts
[05:01] <Kilos> https://www.ubuntu.com/mobile/devices
[08:13] <mike_> join
[08:13] <Guest98209> mike
[08:13] <Guest98209> hi
[10:55] <careybird> Good day, I am using this channel for the first time so I hope my protocol is correct. Is one able to paste error messages into the channel?
[10:58] <Kilos> hi careybird
[10:59] <Kilos> this isnt a help channel. ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-za
[11:02] <Kilos> type in /j #channel name