[00:15] <m0nkey_> ok, so my PC can't run Ubuntu. It screws up the USB 3 controller, making the computer incredibly slow to boot. Disabling USB3 does nothing to help :(
[00:16] <daftykins> o0
[00:16] <daftykins> which is this? what version were you trying?
[00:16] <m0nkey_> 16.04
[00:16] <m0nkey_> 14.04 did the same thing
[00:17] <daftykins> what machine?
[00:17] <m0nkey_> I have to reset the BIOS in order to get back to normal.. it's only Ubuntu that does it
[00:17] <m0nkey_> Hang on.. let me find the board
[00:17] <m0nkey_> http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97E-ITXac/index.us.asp
[00:18] <daftykins> live session boot, or are you getting as far along as booting the install?
[00:18] <m0nkey_> Live boot works great
[00:18] <m0nkey_> Trouble starts when it's installed
[00:18] <daftykins> so i take it you're installing with updates during the installer?
[00:19] <m0nkey_> This is before updates
[00:19] <m0nkey_> The trouble starts when lightdm starts
[00:19] <daftykins> ah ok, throws out my idea of a newer kernel going on before then, then
[00:19] <m0nkey_> Then I have no keyboard or mouse input for at least a minute
[00:19] <m0nkey_> Then the USB 3 controller finally springs into life and it works
[00:20] <daftykins> surely your input devices aren't in USB 3.0 ports?
[00:20] <m0nkey_> But it makes hotplugging any USB3 device a pain to use
[00:21] <m0nkey_> daftykins, I have to :)
[00:21] <daftykins> why? i spy two USB 2.0
[00:21] <m0nkey_> USB 2.0 doesn't provide enough power for my keyboard.
[00:21] <daftykins> ah you probably need a Y cable like mine uses
[00:21] <m0nkey_> I got one of these fancy RGB mechanical keyboards
[00:22] <daftykins> logs aren't coming up with anything google-able i take it?
[00:22] <m0nkey_> Nope, nothing.
[00:22] <m0nkey_> dmesg shows nothing
[00:22] <m0nkey_> lightdm and xorg logs, nowt.
[00:22] <daftykins> YOLD!
[00:22] <daftykins> ;D
[00:22] <m0nkey_> YOLD?
[00:23] <daftykins> year of the Linux desktop
[00:23] <m0nkey_> heh
[00:23] <m0nkey_> not so
[00:23] <daftykins> yeah, that's what i get at :>
[00:23] <m0nkey_> I should really try another distro to see if it's just limited to Ubuntu.
[00:24] <m0nkey_> Or it could be my PC is booting so damn fast, it doesn't have a chance to load everything before firing up the X session manager :D
[00:25] <daftykins> could be
[00:25] <Switches> Have a look at your bios number aswell seems they did a Linux GUID fix in 1.50
[00:25]  * daftykins would've hoped that was a given
[00:25] <m0nkey_> I have the latest bios
[00:25] <Switches> 1.80
[00:25] <m0nkey_> Yup
[00:26] <m0nkey_> I guess there will be no official support. OS only shows Win7 and up.
[00:26] <m0nkey_> I'm slightly disappointed.
[00:29] <daftykins> what do you mean there? nothing really has official Linux support does it o0
[00:29] <daftykins> well, of the enthusiast self build parts sorta world
[00:29] <Switches> Not "official" as such but it is normally in the support list
[00:31] <daftykins> m0nkey_: you tried a newer mainline kernel?
[00:31] <daftykins> for funsies
[00:31] <m0nkey_> nope
[00:31] <m0nkey_> only whatever it installs or updates to
[00:31] <daftykins> chop chop then!
[00:31] <Switches> 4.4
[00:40] <diddledan> there's a ppa for that
[00:40] <daftykins> !mainline
[00:40] <daftykins> or just debs
[00:43] <m0nkey_> I'll take a look another day. I don't have the energy to look at it now.
[00:43] <daftykins> :( one install and boot!
[00:44]  * diddledan kicks daftykins
[00:44] <diddledan> was that the right boot?
[00:44] <Switches> Shoulda been the left one
[00:44] <diddledan> oh
[00:44] <diddledan> damn
[00:44] <daftykins> oof
[00:47] <Switches> Don't know if this is gonna be anything to do with it, but seems there's a bug around on launchpad that dates back 3 years to do with USB3 and not recognising devices, I wonder if that's related to m0nkey_  problems due to his keyboard needing the USB3
[00:47] <Switches> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1242321
[00:47] <m0nkey_> You got a bug number?
[00:47] <Switches> It says HD, but the way the guy explains it its basically everything
[00:47] <m0nkey_> huh
[00:48] <m0nkey_> Yes, some of them messages look familiar. The device not responding messages
[00:48] <Switches> That was gonna be my next question was to have a look for the xhci errors
[00:49] <m0nkey_> Well, I narrowed it down to the USB3 controller. And I remember seeing something along the lines of: usb 3-4: Device not responding to set address.
[00:49] <diddledan> off-the-wall question, is VT-d turned-on?
[00:50] <m0nkey_> I already tried disabling USB3, but that just stops me from using my keyboard :)
[00:50] <m0nkey_> diddledan, I tried that.
[00:50] <diddledan> kk
[00:50] <m0nkey_> Happens regardless if on or off.
[00:51] <diddledan> on a board I had ages ago I had issues with the AMD IOMMU blocking my USB devices in ubuntu but turning it off fixed everything up
[00:52] <diddledan> I forget what AMD call theirs, but it's the same as Intel's VT-d thingy
[00:53] <diddledan> I wonder if your USB host is being killed by borderline undervoltage which is manifesting under linux but not windows
[00:53] <daftykins> u wot
[00:53] <daftykins> :D
[00:53] <diddledan> i.e. your keyboard is too hungry :-p
[00:53] <m0nkey_> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:53] <daftykins> GO LINUX
[00:54] <m0nkey_> But why would it be fine in say, clonezilla?
[00:54] <diddledan> ┻━┻︵  \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻
[00:54] <m0nkey_> I backed up my drive using that, which uses the Ubuntu kernel.
[00:54] <diddledan> hmm
[00:54] <m0nkey_> That exhibited no such issue
[00:54] <daftykins> aren't there debian images too?
[00:54] <diddledan> you've got a ghost?
[00:54] <m0nkey_> Problem seems to only manifest when lightdm launches
[00:55] <Switches> Bah still no ubuntu usb keys on the canonical shop! :/
[00:56] <m0nkey_> ok, just created a new command for myself
[00:57] <m0nkey_> nope. didn't work
[00:57] <diddledan> are they for electronic door-locks?
[00:57] <diddledan> usb keys for electronic locks
[00:57] <Switches> lol
[00:57] <m0nkey_> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:57] <m0nkey_> yey
[00:57] <m0nkey_> that works
[00:58] <daftykins> what did?
[00:58] <m0nkey_> the /shrug command :)
[00:58] <m0nkey_> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:58] <daftykins> oh :P
[00:58] <m0nkey_> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[00:58] <m0nkey_> that works too :D
[00:58] <diddledan> ┻━┻︵  \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻
[00:58] <diddledan> ctrl+v
[00:58] <diddledan> :-p
[00:59] <diddledan> I'm going to call that a double flip with pirouette
[00:59] <m0nkey_> ┬──┬ ¯\_(ツ)
[00:59] <m0nkey_> I put it back for you
[01:01] <daftykins> XD
[01:02] <m0nkey_> ಠ_ಠ
[01:03] <daftykins> antennas on your eyes
[01:04] <m0nkey_> for some reason, unicode seems to be broken on hexchat for windows
[01:04] <diddledan> awesoem
[01:05] <m0nkey_> server settings are set to UTF-8
[01:05] <m0nkey_> maybe Consolas font doesn't do it
[01:17] <diddledan> so someone has stolen Gabe Aul's big red button! https://twitter.com/vt_norton/status/738084635356344321
[01:17] <daftykins> hmm i never did get around to snagging that wallpaper
[01:17] <diddledan> he's leaving the post of "Insider Wrangler" in favour of being in charge of build-engineering
[01:17] <daftykins> it's hilarious XD
[01:21] <daftykins> https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/07/21/a-fun-surprise-for-windows-insiders/
[01:21] <daftykins> aww yis
[01:23] <daftykins> ugh they're low res
[01:24] <diddledan> 3840x2160 low?
[01:26] <daftykins> oh my fault, didn't scroll down - i went by the embedded images
[01:30] <daftykins> surface resurfacing is complete
[01:44] <diddledan> if you were the council the thing would be left potholey for months and then just patched rather than properly resurfaces
[01:46] <daftykins> :>
[02:12] <diddledan> useful plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/
[02:14] <m0nkey_> ugh that crap is annoying
[02:14] <m0nkey_> thank you
[02:16] <daftykins> :D
[02:17] <daftykins> that privacy fella said that the way everyone implements that isn't actually correct according to the law o0
[02:17] <ball> Whose law?
[02:17] <diddledan> the letter of the law requires that no cookies be set unless the user explicitly says yes. saying no should NOT save a cookie to remember that you said no
[02:18] <m0nkey_> k, im out
[02:18] <m0nkey_> g'night all
[02:18] <ball> Is that a UK or EU law?
[02:19] <diddledan> ball: yes
[02:20] <daftykins> lol
[02:20] <ball> Hmm... ok
[02:21] <ball> I had noticed that British web sites pop up a banner saying "Hey, we use cookies!"
[02:22] <ball> ...thought perhaps it was down to some legislation
[02:23] <daftykins> i regularly cache-clear too, so i get used to all this jazz
[02:23] <daftykins> the #1 culprit for annoyance though, is the youtube autoplay function
[02:25] <ball> daftykins: At least you can turn that off. LinkedIn doesn't give you the option afaict.
[02:31] <ball> I spent a big chunk of today on LinkedIn.
[02:31] <ball> ...so I notice these things. ;-)
[02:32] <daftykins> sounds evil!
[03:48] <ball> ...and again this evening.
[03:49] <ball> I should probably start rationing my time there.
[03:51] <daftykins> >:)
[03:56] <mappps> hi
[03:57] <daftykins> mornin'
[06:53] <diplo> Morning all
[06:54] <daftykins> good day \o
[06:55] <diplo> Do you never sleep!?!?! :P
[06:55] <diplo> I thought I was bad
[07:01] <daftykins> >:)
[07:01] <daftykins> i sleep when you're all at work
[07:32] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:37] <popey> pip pip
[07:38] <daftykins> \o
[07:44] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:44] <daftykins> ooh diplo beat you to the morning greeting routine today, knightwise
[08:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <daftykins> o/
[08:10] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:36] <knightwise> morning peeps
[08:56] <SuperMatt> all right?
[09:03] <foobarry> whats the best screen recorder atm? kazam? screenstudio?
[09:06] <cleder> I'm happy with kazam - not sure if it's the best
[09:09] <foobarry> think i'll try kazam again
[09:09] <foobarry> screenstudio seems better for tutorials and talk alongs with webcam
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Leave the Office Earlier Day! 😃
[09:11] <daftykins> ooh that sounds like a fine type of day
[09:11] <JamesTait> Especially when it's also Pi Zero Delivery Day. 😃
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:18] <directhex> has gnome-terminal on xenial changed?
[09:18] <directhex> something feels off today
[09:19] <foobarry> JamesTait: aren't they out of stock?
[09:19] <foobarry> or did you buy a bundle?
[09:19] <JamesTait> foobarry, they may well be now, I got online at 08:15 yesterday morning and managed to grab one.
[09:19] <foobarry> who from ?
[09:20] <JamesTait> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero
[09:20] <foobarry> thanks. postage?
[09:20] <JamesTait> Pi Zero only is out of stock, Pi Zero + Adapters is still available.
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> Soooo tempted to get one, but I have no idea what to do with it.
[09:21] <JamesTait> £2.50 P+P I think, let me check.
[09:21] <daftykins> ;]
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> So it would sit and gather dust. That and a Pocket CHIP too....
[09:23] <popey> 7.50 + 2.50 shipping + 1.50 taxes = 11.50
[09:23] <JamesTait> Yep, £2.50.
[09:25] <JamesTait> I already have a project in mind.
[09:25] <JamesTait> A driver's-eye-view cam for my son's model trains.
[09:28] <SuperMatt> oh that's very sweet
[09:28] <popey> heh
[09:29]  * daftykins sends JamesTait an old smartphone and some tape
[09:31] <JamesTait> daftykins, we have tried that, with mixed results.  There was some minor damage to one of the layouts when the phone wasn't properly secured.
[09:31] <foobarry> TAXES?!
[09:32] <daftykins> doh!
[09:32] <daftykins> yeah what tax? ;)
[09:33] <foobarry> next you'll tell me i need a case
[09:34]  * daftykins takes the tape off JamesTait and hands it to foobarry
[10:21] <daftykins> nice, £14 iPad Mini digitizer has fixed up a friends device
[10:47] <foobarry> didn't realise keepassx has been rewritten from scratch
[10:47] <foobarry> i'm still on 0.4.2
[13:16] <foobarry> what happens if i remove flash?
[13:16] <foobarry> do websites generally replace it with alternatives?
[13:16] <foobarry> (i'm using firefox)
[13:17] <davmor2> foobarry: some do most don't
[13:17] <foobarry> maybe i'll just upgrade the package and continue for a bit
[13:26]  * knightwise hasnt used flash in years
[13:31] <brobostigon> same here, i havent had flash installed for several years now,
[13:38] <foobarry> hmm
[13:38] <foobarry> any issues? missing bits from websites?
[13:42] <popey> amusingly, in firefox, removing flash would cause my ff to explode when adverts appeared
[13:42] <foobarry> literally
[13:42] <popey> the ad provider detected no flash, so gave me h264 video adverts instead
[13:42] <popey> the ff plugin which plays h264 would explode and take the browser with it
[13:42] <popey> yet more good reasons for ad blockers
[13:43] <foobarry> i turned off adblock while getting a meerkat and forgot for a few minutes
[13:43] <foobarry> next website was gizmodo which had an autoplaying video. hideous
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> i installed a new browser a few days ago and the sheer amount of ads till i remembered to install adblocker was insane
[13:45] <foobarry> video with sound.
[14:27] <popey> diddledan: directhex gog.com/connect works now, shows 7 games for me
[14:29] <popey> wonder why it says "5 days" under each one
[14:29] <popey> ahh, time left to redeem
[14:42] <foobarry> whats the point?
[14:42] <foobarry> in case steam went down?
[14:42] <popey> drm free copies of games
[14:42] <diddledan> download and keep rather than rely on service
[14:42] <popey> install on machines without having to add steam
[14:43] <foobarry> oh ok, i think i bought those on humblebundle anyway
[14:52] <foobarry> next step they launch a steamlike client
[14:52] <popey> they have one
[14:52] <foobarry> i don't play games other than skyrim anymore
[14:52] <popey> gog galaxy
[14:52] <popey> i mostly play rust at the moment
[14:52] <foobarry> they missed chance to call it gog ogadget
[14:52] <popey> hah
[14:53] <foobarry> i seem to have extra games. must be free ones
[14:53] <foobarry> teenagent , beneath steel sky
[14:54] <diddledan> yeah they're freebies
[14:54] <foobarry> and il2 sturmovik
[14:54] <foobarry> that i bought and struggled will
[14:54] <foobarry> with
[14:55] <diddledan> tickety boo. /me listening to ubuntu podcast. popey you're fun!
[14:55] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJHzpaxMOQ
[15:56] <Myrtti> mental note: Lucozade Sport in Raspberry is vile
[17:18] <marshmn> hi all; where is the correct place to set environment variables so that they are picked up by desktop apps?
[17:19] <marshmn> I've tried exporting a variable in ~/.zshrc and that works fine in a terminal - but it doesn't seem to take effect in a desktop app (as far as I can tell anyway)
[17:20] <diddledan> marshmn: .profile
[17:20] <marshmn> diddledan: OK, thanks - will give that a try
[17:21] <diddledan> maybe .bash_profile
[17:21] <diddledan> one of those two
[17:26] <marshmn> diddledan: thanks - setting it in .profile seems to have done the trick
[20:22] <user2635> Anyone else find the Ubuntu Software store slow? It just stays on the loading screen, so I can't see how my program updates are going...
[21:16] <Bram__> hi, first I'm sorry for my bad English
[21:17] <Bram__> so i try to make a IPC with a named pipe but doesn't work fine
[21:18] <Bram__> I tested it with one named pipe and that works verry fine but I need more then one pipe
[21:21] <Bram__> I make a fol loop for this but the os bloks because there are many filles open because I doesn't close the file so I know what the problem is but I can't find a solution
[21:24] <Bram__> I have try to close the file with 'close(fd)' but the named pipe do some verry strange things
[21:25] <Bram__> I use the named pipes to communicate between a Python source file and a C source file
[21:26] <Bram__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16931678/
[21:27] <Bram__> What I doing wrong?
[21:27] <popey> asking in the wrong irc channel for one :)
[21:27] <Switches> Think you're asking in the wrong place Bram__
[21:29] <Bram__> What is a better place to ask this question?
[21:31] <Switches> maybe #python channel?
[21:32] <Bram__> ok thank you for the support!
[21:32] <Switches> No worries
[21:38] <marshmn> OK, so here's something I'd like to do: I want to launch screen, run a command inside it and detach - leaving it running so that I can re-attach to it if I wish later
[21:43] <Bram__> I'm make a account on the #python channel but I not able to login
[21:44] <diddledan> huh?
[21:45] <diddledan> just type /join #python
[21:46] <Bram__> then I received this message: "Cannot send to channel: #python-unregistered"
[21:46] <karmelle> I can't seem to send to some channels such as #freenode
[21:47] <diddledan> Bram__: you need to register to nickserv
[21:47] <diddledan> for instructions on doing that type /msg nickserv help register
[21:47] <Bram__> I do this /msg NickServ REGISTER password<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:48] <Bram__> and I have verified my e-mail address
[21:50] <karmelle> Oh it's ok I forgot to verify. It's a long time since I've IRC'd
[21:54] <Bram__> it works wrong nickname :p
[22:48] <m0nkey_> booh... Ubuntu 16.04 installer doesn't do ZFS.. BOOOO!
[22:50] <diddledan> daftykins: new build being pushed: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/738498668790042624
[22:54] <directhex> m0nkey_: it can't, legally. canonical might push it into a future release anyway
[22:56] <diddledan> o_O
[22:59] <m0nkey_> legally speaking, canonical shouldn't be putting a lot of stuff in ubuntu.. like mp3 playback, etc.. :)
[23:00] <diddledan> I don't get how having zfs supported by the installer is any more or less risky than having it available once installed
[23:05] <directhex> diddledan: the GPL applies at time of distribution. you can't violate the kernel if you distribute source code, and a script to compile it, and say "hey guys, this is your problem not ours"
[23:05] <directhex> whereas you can for distributing a GPL-incompatible .ko file
[23:05] <diddledan> they can compile it when you request to use it for installation though
[23:05] <directhex> it's "kernel maintainers sending a cease & desist to your ISP to have your ISOs taken down" bad
[23:06] <directhex> diddledan: mmmmm, yes, using dkms in the installer would probably work, if it had the scaffolding in place to do it
[23:06] <directhex> so that's probably workaroundable. cloud images are another matter
[23:58] <diddledan> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OwnCloud-Forked-To-NextCloud
[23:59] <Switches> Yeah saw that earlier, seems to be all the guys that left owncloud
[23:59] <diddledan> there's a followup at https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OwnCloud-Responds-To-Nextcloud


[00:19] <Unit193> jbicha: Since you've been doing stuff with webkitgtk, what do you think about sponsoring https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/6849400/+listing-archive-extra ?
[00:20] <Unit193> (Fedora also builds with this switch, btw.)
[00:22] <jbicha> Unit193: could you file a bug for it and subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsors when ready?
[00:24] <Unit193> Meh, perhaps.
[00:28] <jbicha> Unit193: actually webkitgtk is in sync with Debian so why don't you submit it there instead? and what are you using that's not webkit2gtk yet?
[00:31] <Unit193> jbicha: Well, it's not in sync and yeah was considering checking in with Debian on it too.
[00:31] <jbicha> it's in sync with Debian git since the one change we needed I forwarded there :)
[00:32] <Unit193> Nice. \o/
[00:33] <jbicha> I wonder if this commit can/should be backported from webkit2gtk to webkitgtk: https://trac.webkit.org/changeset/204250
[00:36] <Unit193> No idea, all I knew was that just opening the thing would kill it.  Had to poke around webkitgtk to figure out what was up (And lovely 18 hour build times..)
[00:38] <jbicha> opening what thing?
[00:38] <Unit193> The browser I was using, that point being unimportant.
[00:39] <jbicha> I don't build webkit locally; last time I tried the computer I was using couldn't handle it
[00:40] <Unit193> I used LP to build it, aye.
[05:21] <Mirv> xnox: hmm, it is suppposed to be "working" set of dependencies for emulator use. maybe it got broken in yakkety at some point then, let's see.
[05:22] <Mirv> (at least it is working on vivid where the emulator is used with the gles code path)
[05:26] <Mirv> mitya57: thanks a lot!   If you do go for giving +t to ubuntu/member/ and canonical/, they'd either have to  /cs topic #ubuntu-devel TOPIC HERE  or op up first.
[09:23] <Trevinho> ahoneybun: what you mean, isn't the calculator showing there?
[09:43] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, hi
[09:43] <LocutusOfBorg> autpkgtest failed
[09:43] <LocutusOfBorg>  cannot copy extracted data for './usr/lib/gcc/powerpc64le-linux-gnu/6/cc1plus' to '/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc64le-linux-gnu/6/cc1plus.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device)
[09:43] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: known, will be retried
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg> I already retried ocrmypdf
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg> I was wondering if you were aware of it :)
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg> ok, I'll leave to you
[09:44] <Laney> thanks for pointing it out anyway :)
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks to you for caring and fixing
[09:58] <pitti> doko, seb128, Laney, LocutusOfBorg: image rebuilds done, mass retry started
[10:00] <LocutusOfBorg> <3
[11:05] <xnox> pitti, nice stats =)
[11:06] <xnox> ah, wanted to ask about releasing a few packages, but it can wait for mass-retry to get them.
[11:36] <pitti> xnox: I'm sure we want more stats over time, we can add them on demand
[11:37] <xnox> pitti, yeah. I imported the dump into postgresql and created the views that I want in pgadmin =)
[11:37] <xnox> failing amd64 test; failing s390x test; and things that fail on s390x but not on amd64 as a personal hit list =)
[11:50] <mitya57> Mirv, in my test (local Qt build) the global menu worked fine, I will test the build in your PPA a bit later and see what's wrong here.
[11:51] <mitya57> (Later today or tomorrow; will reply on the bug after that)
[11:58] <Mirv> thank you so much mitya57
[12:40] <rbasak> libnl-3-200 is "Multi-Arch: same" but both i386 and amd64 ship /etc/libnl-3/classid. Is this a bug?
[12:41] <rbasak> I'm triaging bug 1619481 but it seems to happily co-install in Xenial, which confuses me. I'll try Trusty.
[12:43] <rbasak> Ah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Architecture-independent_files_in_multiarch_packages
[12:43]  * rbasak reads more
[12:47] <rbasak> So it looks like it should be fine. No idea why that user hit a bug. Local corruption maybe?
[12:58] <xnox> pitti, refreshing http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running -> s390x/ppc64el columns disappear from time to time, and reappear on a refresh
[13:06] <smoser> hm.
[13:06] <smoser> late last night i looked at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[13:06] <smoser> and cloud-utils was held due to some failures in lxd and juju
[13:06] <smoser> now it is not held..
[13:06] <smoser> how do i
[13:07] <smoser> a.) see those failures
[13:07] <smoser> b.) know how it got through .
[13:07] <smoser> i suspect someone let it thorugh but i want to know why it failed.
[13:12] <smoser> rbasak, do you now ?
[13:12] <smoser> i dont want to just hit this same thing again next time i upload
[13:14] <rbasak> smoser: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/yakkety/2016-09-01/23:38:49.log suggests a lxc/s390x failure maybe?
[13:14] <rbasak> Looks like that always failed though: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/lxc/yakkety/s390x
[13:15] <smoser> iknow when i saw it yesterday it said 'regression' on lxc and on juju
[13:15] <smoser> like ceilometer has now
[13:16] <rbasak> I: [Thu Sep  1 23:41:39 2016] - Checking for new results for failed juju-core-1/amd64 for trigger cloud-utils/0.29-0ubuntu3
[13:16] <rbasak> That one seems more likely. And http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/juju-core-1/yakkety/amd64 suggests that it's still failing.
[13:16] <rbasak> Did someone let it through despite that failure?
[13:16] <smoser> thats what i'm asking
[13:17] <smoser> rbasak, well, they might have
[13:17] <smoser> that log<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:17] <smoser> (no space left on device)
[13:18] <smoser> is almost certain the isue that this fixed.
[13:18] <rbasak> smoser: here you are: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu/revision/1894
[13:18] <smoser> but juju ran in a cloud image that didn't have the fix to resize and thus it ran out of space
[13:19] <smoser> is that permenantly disabling ?
[13:19] <rbasak> AIUI, it's just that version (or perhaps <=version, not sure)
[13:20] <smoser> rbasak, where did you learn of all these links ?
[13:20] <smoser> the autopkgtest.ubuntu.com pages are new to me. as is hints-ubuntu
[13:21] <rbasak> Good question. I don't really know!
[13:21] <rbasak> IRC I guess.
[13:21] <smoser> yeah.
[13:21] <smoser> ok.
[13:22] <rbasak> pitti did announce the updated autopkgtest.ubuntu.com the other day.
[13:23] <_hc> hey all, its time again for a request sync of the android-tools packages :-)  its about 10 packages that should all be set to the same upstream version, so I thought it would be less work for all to avoid filing bug reports.  yakkety currently has a mix of upstream versions for these packages (e.g. android-platform-* source packages).  They should all be set to 6.0.1+r55 from Debian/sid.  Or you can wait for them to hit testing if you want.
[13:23] <_hc> here's one examplle https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-platform-build
[13:23] <_hc> that needs to be synced
[13:23] <_hc> this one is on the correct upstream version https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-platform-system-core
[13:24] <_hc> they all need to be at the same version, otherwise odd bugs will ensue
[13:24] <rbasak> _hc: how does that fit with feature freeze? If you don't get it done soon, filing a single bug with a description and adding that to the sponsorship queue might be a good idea.
[13:25] <jbicha> _hc: yes, I'd been syncing android-tools stuff so that they're on the same version but android-platform-build was broken for the past week (looks like it's fixed today)
[13:25] <_hc> rbasak: since those packages are all part of yakkety, I can't see any reason to not have them synced.  We did this same process with 16.04.
[13:25] <_hc> yeah, I was just uploading
[13:26] <_hc> I'm the main Debian devloper uploading those, feel free to ping me with questions or ask in #debian-android-tools on oftc
[13:27]  * rbasak leaves it to jbicha
[13:49] <xnox> pitti, in adt can i somehow use archive binaries, but run my tests from my source package which i've just written?
[13:49]  * xnox tries built-tree option
[13:52] <dobey> xnox: that's how it normally works. built-tree doesn't sound like what you want there (it builds new binaries, but i don't recall which get installed after the build)
[13:53] <xnox> unbuilt-tree builds new binaries
[13:53] <xnox> =)
[13:53] <jbicha> pitti: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml (from my browser history) doesn't redirect properly
[13:53] <xnox> looks like it's using my tests, against archive packages
[13:54] <dobey> xnox: huh? how can it build new binaries if you aren't specifying to build the tree?
[13:54] <xnox> ... i don't want new binaries. I'm happy with the binaries in the archive. I just adding new adt tests.
[13:55] <Laney> sounds like autopkgtest --no-built-binaries might do the right thing too
[13:55] <xnox> it doesn't build any binaries, nor requires locally built ones, it takes them from the archive. but doesn't take source package from the archive, and instead uses my `pwd`./debian/tests
[13:56] <dobey> i'm confused
[14:05] <mterry> sarnold: so regarding Go packages in main...  Now that we don't need Build-Depends in main, we wouldn't normally need the golang-*-dev packages in main.  But is there a special exception for Go, since their code is bundled in?  (tho not sure how we'd enforce it except by maybe a package regex...)
[14:07] <xnox> mterry, false
[14:07] <xnox> mterry, Built-Using must be correct, and Built-Using must be in main
[14:07] <mterry> xnox: ah... built-using triggers the main check?  Perfect
[14:07] <xnox> mterry, or use go shared libraries, in which case Depends will be generated and result in main inclusion.
[14:08] <mterry> yeah
[14:08] <mterry> xnox: is that supported yet in Ubuntu?
[14:08] <xnox> we went from: build-depends[-indep|-arch], depends, recommends = main
[14:08] <xnox> to: built-using, depends, recommends = main
[14:09] <xnox> oh and Pre-Depends too.
[14:09] <mterry> makes sense yeah
[14:09] <xnox> mterry, i believe mwhudson_ was working on it and i think it was something like works in yakkety, and he was unwinding all the deps to make it worthwhile.
[14:09] <mterry> cool
[14:10] <mterry> xnox: thanks!
[14:10] <xnox> e.g. one needs at least 2 users of the same lib to make this effort give benefits.
[14:10] <xnox> goal was to "sharify" juju/snapd/docker or some such.
[14:10] <xnox> but that may have changed since
[14:10] <mterry> hm
[14:38] <mapreri> why isn't stuff like this dealt by ubuntu's debhelper?  https://patches.ubuntu.com/i/inkscape/inkscape_0.91-9ubuntu1.patch
[14:40] <mapreri> pitti: ↑  (as you're the one taking care of debhelper in ubuntu, apparently)
[14:45] <xnox> mapreri, because it cannot know if the package is meant to be in main and translation packs, or not.
[14:47] <jbicha> mapreri: pkgs that use gnome-pkg-tools (dh --with gnome) pick up dh-translations automatically
[14:54] <mapreri> jbicha: thanks.  Now, I'm peaking at the sources (and at the manpages), but I can't see where it is doing it :|
[14:56] <mapreri> there is only some translation-related things (but not calling dh_translations) in the cdbs part
[15:26] <brendand> getting this error when deploying a yakkety testbed - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23124368/
[15:27] <seb128> brendand, report a bug on launchpad?
[15:30] <seb128> looks like juliank removed the replaces in some recent upload
[15:30] <juliank> Back soon
[15:30] <juliank> the replaces
[15:30] <seb128> brendand, ^
[15:31] <seb128> juliank, thanks
[15:31] <brendand> juliank, ah. we were about to break our way out with a hammer, but if soon is very soon...
[15:32] <juliank> I'd say tomorrow with a sync from a Debian upload today, but I can also prioritize this and do a direct ubuntu upload now
[15:32] <juliank> git cherry-pick commit && gbp dch && ./prepare-release pre-export && debcommit -r -a && gbp buildpackage -S && dput
[15:33] <brendand> don't rush it on my behalf. we'd just need to regenerate our base image and we should probably do that anyway
[15:34] <juliank> There are also some other nice undefined behavior / segfault fixes and staged pipelines for updates, so we now fetch files in a more defined order
[15:34] <juliank> (1) All Release + .diff/Index files, (2) all .pdiff files, (3) the rest
[15:36] <juliank> Here, (2) is basically irrelevant, but it still fixes progress reporting a lot. Progress reporting only starts once we fetched all stage 1 files, and previously you might have already started fetching large files; and thus see 0% all the time
[16:10] <smoser> can anyone sverify that grub-reboot works ?
[16:12] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23124599/
[16:13] <smoser> paste fail
[16:13] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23124602/
[19:03] <sarnold> mterry: it'd probably be best to discuss with jdstrand when he returns next week (us holiday and all) -- I only ever took a small "is this package sane" view of things
[19:04] <mterry> sarnold: I figured it out -- Go packages are correctly caught as needing to be in main due to our tools checking the value of Built-Using
[19:04] <mterry> sarnold: thanks though
[19:05] <sarnold> mterry: ah :) hooray
[20:46] <juliank> brendand: Fixed apt uploaded. I accidentally forgot to fix the autopkgtest test suite upstream for non-amd64, so I had to merge it, which means I could directly upload it :)
[20:47] <juliank> Luckily I just noticed that and did not try syncing it tomorrow...
[21:07] <Unit193> jbicha: Right then, now will you sync it?
[21:17] <jbicha> Unit193: webkitgtk you mean? sure, once LP picks it up (there's a delay of several hours after Debian upload before syncpackage works)
[21:17] <Unit193> Yep, I know.  And great.  Another package in sync. \o/


[01:49] <micahg> ScottK: I'm not familiar with ruby, should I subscribe the debian maintainer to the sync bug to see what he has to say?
[02:16] <persia> micahg, I can't speak for the release team, but my experience is that the answer to questions like that very much depends on the Debian maintainer.  If there's prior indications of interest in or support for Ubuntu, it usually works.  If not, you may want to ask in other ways.
[02:24] <micahg> persia: I requested a sync with a proper FFe after the Debian maintainer requested it be updated, the package was ruby based, that's the starting point here
[02:25] <persia> Ah, then yeah, I'd subscribe the Debian Maintainer, as the original requestor: they are likely most able to address some of the release team questions.
[02:25] <persia> One just has to take care for the (thankfully few) Debian maintainers who don't want to care about the state of their packages in Ubuntu.
[03:50] <ScottK> micahg: With rails we almost for certain want the latest crack we can get.
[03:50] <ScottK> But persia's advice is good.
[03:50] <micahg> ScottK: debian only has a small update, but I can request a aync
[03:50] <ScottK> I'm wondering if someone should package 2.3.8.  Usually it's not hard.
[03:50] <micahg> ScottK: I subscibed the maintainer for activesync who probably has some knowledge of rails
[03:51] <ScottK> OK.  Good.
[03:51] <micahg> ScottK: should I get the minor update from debian in the mean time?
[03:51] <ScottK> I didn't look to see what it was, but since it's an NMU, almost certainly.
[03:55] <micahg> ScottK: I'll do a tesst build and if it passes request thesync
[06:22] <dholbach> good morning
[06:25] <nigelb> g32
[06:29] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[06:29] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[06:32] <nigelb> afternoon ajmitch :)
[06:55] <ajmitch> hi nigelb
[06:55] <nigelb> ajmitch: how are ya doing? :)
[06:55] <ajmitch> sorry, was watching the final chapter in australian election results :)
[06:56] <nigelb> did anyone win? last time I checked noone had majority
[06:56] <ajmitch> labour won, just
[06:56] <nigelb> \o/
[06:58] <elky> A mandate of 1. I look forward to going back to the polls sometime in the next 3 years.
[06:58] <nigelb> lol
[07:00] <ajmitch> elky: I think bets will be taken now on how long this government will stand :)
[07:01] <elky> ajmitch, inorite
[07:02] <elky> Surely someone in the government will die, retire or have a dummy spit within short order.
[07:06] <RAOF> Well, maybe.
[07:06] <RAOF> Being Tasmanian, a bit of minority Labor government is plesantly familiar :)
[08:00] <Rhonda> Can I interest someone in this security issue reported: http://deb.at/B594412 in couchdb - it seems that it doesn't apply to Debian at all but only to Ubuntu because of a patch only carried in Ubuntu …  :/
[08:34] <ajmitch> Rhonda: that sounds like something the security team should know about it, if it's not in LP already
[08:35] <Rhonda> I just filed it in LP, bug #632201
[08:35] <ajmitch> thanks
[08:38] <bilalakhtar> Rhonda: Was it difficult passing LPIC-1 ?
[08:38] <bilalakhtar> 'coz I am also thinking of giving it
[08:38] <Rhonda> Not for me.
[08:38] <bilalakhtar> Rhonda: but, when I saw the mock tests online, they were bloody difficult!
[08:39] <bilalakhtar> Perhaps not for you, since you have been a DD since 2000
[08:39] <Rhonda> Had been working as sysadmin for a while back then already and didn't prepare at all (not even reading the objectives), passed. Was one of those rare chances when they had it cost-free at the event in the early days.
[08:40] <Rhonda> That's what I mean, it definitely depends on your own history of involvement and what you did so far. :)
[08:40] <bilalakhtar> not for me then
[08:40] <bilalakhtar> I have been involved with Ubuntu development from the last 10 months *only*
[08:41] <Rhonda> Started digging into Linux in 1996, started using it mostly exclusively since not too long after, both private and even job wise since 1998.
[08:41] <Rhonda> So in the years until 2005 I did pick up a fair amount of broad and overall knowledge.
[08:42] <bilalakhtar> Rhonda: you are lucky enough to be a part of the Linux community since then!
[08:42]  * bilalakhtar was *born* in 1996
[08:43] <StevenK> bilalakhtar: Careful, you'll make other people feel old. Like me.
[08:43] <bilalakhtar> StevenK: sorry
[08:44] <Rhonda> First contact was 1994 on a box of my older brother, it already hat X and fvwm back then, and the "arena" browser, me thinks. Didn't know much to do with it at that time, though. But I was coding on the c64 in early 90ies, so …
[08:44] <StevenK> My first contact was RedHat 4.2, don't remember when that was.
[08:44] <Rhonda> StevenK: I wait for the first brave enough person to ask "What's a c64" :P
[08:45] <bilalakhtar> So Rhonda has been involved with Linux even before people began dumping Windows for speed and virus reasons!
[08:46] <bilalakhtar> Rhonda: yes? what is it?
[08:46] <Rhonda> I was fortunate that there was this "mars" project at my university going on which lured me deeper into the linux area.
[08:47] <Rhonda> bilalakhtar: One of the first home computers. :)  And it is famous _because_ it was buggy implemented. Most of the really cool and impressive stuff that was done of it was possible because of the bugs in the implementation of the hardware.
[08:48] <bilalakhtar> Rhonda: And you never moved to Windows since then?
[08:48] <bilalakhtar> !!!
[08:49] <Rhonda> Like, it had 8 sprites that you were able to place anywhere on the screen. But one was displayed already, you could tweak its position later on and were able to display more than 8 with not too much trouble.
[08:50] <Rhonda> I used it, but given that I already coded on the c64 windows never was really that attractive to me. I always loved my c64 and what was possible doing with it.
[08:50] <bilalakhtar> One question Rhonda . Do you use Debian or Ubuntu or both or none?
[08:51] <Rhonda> Or this other thing: The screen had a border around its 320 (or 160) x 200 screen to mask out the corner. One could shift the screen by 8 pixels, and for being able to get a scrolling effect the border could get narrowed by one character.
[08:52] <Rhonda> Now if one had switched the border narrowing off during exactly the place where the border would have get activated you could trick the GPU into _not_ activating the border because it thought it was already activated.
[08:52] <Rhonda> And with sprite placing in the border area it is possible to get a much bigger screen. :)
[08:53] <Rhonda> bilalakhtar: I use Debian but have Ubuntu chroots at one box where I have enough diskspace for testing things.
[08:53]  * bilalakhtar brb
[08:54] <Laney> fabrice_sp: Please forward patches back to Debian in future. We just got an FTBFS report on taoframework that you fixed in Ubuntu.
[10:37] <lucidfox> This is strange...
[10:38] <lucidfox> I've never read any books on UI design or anything, but in just about every open source project I contribute to, I end up becoming a usability advisor of sorts, and filing tons of UI related bugs
[10:43]  * vish hands lucidfox a /join #UX-advocates ;)
[10:43] <lucidfox> vish> Nobody there :)
[10:44] <vish> lucidfox: ofcourse the channel is not there , got you trying dint i ;)  but mentioning that people caring about UX can be part of the UX-advocates , and need not really have read UI design.. they just need to care :)
[10:44] <lucidfox> Oh! What's UX-advocates?
[10:45] <vish> lucidfox: http://design.canonical.com/2010/06/announcing-the-user-experience-advocates-project/
[10:51] <persia> vish, Is there a channel where folks doing that can collaborate, or ask each other for opinions on stuff?  if not, there ought be.
[10:51] <persia> (and it oughtn't start with #ubuntu-)
[10:56] <vish> persia: there isnt yet , but yes such topics are usually discussed in #gnome-design on GIMPnet or at #ayatana
[10:57] <vish> more at #gnome-design though.. since the discussions are mainly with upstream
[10:58] <persia> Seems sadly specific to a single environment, but I'm glad some resources exist.
[10:59] <vish> pretty sure kde could have one too.. mainly gnome folk trying to improve gnome design..
[10:59] <vish> or maybe kde is already too good :D
[11:00] <vish> or other environments..
[11:00] <persia> I guess.  I was thinking it would be good to have a collaborative pool of knowledgeable folk over all environments, but that may be too large a group to function effectively.
[11:02] <vish> persia: mainly it _needs_ to be specific to an environment since each environment has its own guidelines and HIG , discussing everything under one place can be confusing..
[11:22] <lucidfox> vish> I was actually thinking of starting an "UI hall of shame" column in my blog where I would lampoon bad UIs, but found it too much of a negative stimulus
[11:22] <persia> lucidfox, If you could critique them sensibly, rather than lampooning them, you might find it more positive (but probably much harder).
[11:24] <vish> lucidfox: well , if you had done that , i would have *sighed*  ... since it seems to be the general trend everyone wants to follow recently... i'd suggest try talking to upstreams first :) and then maybe try blog critiquing sensibily...
[11:24] <lucidfox> vish> General trend?
[11:24] <vish> lucidfox: most of the UI errors eventually turn out to be oversight than intentional bad design..
[11:26] <vish> lucidfox: yeah general trend recently, people seem to have forgotten basic forms of communication... getting a bunch of people to throw stones and then forcing their hand on upstreams..  kinda seems a hostile place for a person spending their free time to work in.. :)
[11:26] <lucidfox> :(
[11:27] <persia> Let's not compound the poor practice of posting generalised vague complaints by posting generalised vague complaints about the practice please.
[11:28] <vish> sry.. was just responding to a question asking for an explanation....
[11:29] <lucidfox> vish> Well, I'm myself guilty of this
[11:29] <lucidfox> http://lucidfox.org/posts/view/550
[11:30] <lucidfox> That, by the way, was written a year ago, and even though the maintainers of computer-janitor saw and commented on that, its UI remains as confusing as ever
[11:32]  * vish wonders when -motu people are going to say OFF TOPIC! :)
[11:32] <lucidfox> ...Sorry.
[11:33] <Rhonda> OFF TOPIC!
[11:33] <Rhonda> Hmm, but is it really?
[11:34] <Rhonda> Noone complained about my c64 exploration, and UI design is definitely far more on-topic than that. :)
[11:34] <Rhonda> But right, no complains doesn't imply that it's alright.
[11:36] <persia> It's generally acceptable to cover something off-topic for a couple lines, but best to end it quick, or redirect to a more appropriate forum (even without complaints).
[11:37] <persia> But people who shout "OFF TOPIC" (excluding those who do so for clear and obvious reasons other than being annoying) aren't likely to be received well.
[11:37] <persia> better is something like "That sounds like a good discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic" (or any other channel, as appropriate)
[11:50] <vish> Rhonda: .. it was more that *i* dint want to get yelled at ;) .. we moved the discussion to #ayatana :)
[11:51] <Rhonda> great, now vish did push me into bad style. :)
[12:00] <oojah> Hmm, I feel bad for continuing off-topic now that you've stopped, but I'm sure you wouldn't want to miss out on the worst UI I've ever seen: http://www.layouteditor.net/links/lasi.php5
[12:43] <ScottK> vish: KDE already has a usability project.  It's got enough visibility inside KDE that's it's head is a board member of KDE.v (the foundation that steers KDE).
[12:45] <vish> ScottK: cool! yeah , i think i'v heard of it too.. :)  now we just need to poach a few of your artwork people ;)
[12:45] <ScottK> vish: You know you've already done that, right?
[12:46] <vish> hehe, yeah! but a few more wont hurt ;)
[12:47] <ScottK> I'd be happy if gtk were advanced enough to put the OK/Cancel buttons on the correct side for the given environment.
[13:03] <AnAnt> Hello
[14:13] <tumbleweed> how do we feel about a package conflicting on a package that's only available in a ppa? bug 620384
[14:14] <persia> tumbleweed, Generally we don't much care either way.
[14:14] <persia> That said, it's never worth a delta from any sync source.
[14:16] <tumbleweed> sounds good, thanks
[18:13] <scott-work> chrisccoulson:  just tested gnome-network-admin in the Ubuntu Studio Beta and I was able to access the configuration gui, thank you very much for your efforts :)
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> scott-work, you're welcome :)
[19:18] <fabrice_sp> Laney, I was going to forward it later on, as well as 4 more that I fixed. I wanted to check if it really happens in debian before forwarding
[19:20] <fabrice_sp> fyi, I fixed it yesterday
[19:24] <fabrice_sp> Laney, do you request the sync or shall I take care of it?
[19:43] <RoAkSoAx> ttx: did you see my comments on bug #619712
[19:44] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: yes
[19:45] <RoAkSoAx> ttx: well upstream hasn't said anything about it yet. I'm gonna test in different kind of virtual networking. Other than that can't do much since I don't have enough machines to test in a real network with real switch
[19:45] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: if you don't feel comfortable about it, we'll let it as is in Maverick and wait
[19:47] <RoAkSoAx> ttx: yes I don't think the proposed fix should get into maverick without having upstream into it.
[19:48] <RoAkSoAx> since I really couldn't reaplicate the same exact race condition
[19:49] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: if it's not something everyone runs into, I think it's ok
[19:50] <jordan_c> can anyone point me to an idiots guide to packaging, preferably aimed at packaging a web-based platform like wordpress?
[19:50] <RoAkSoAx> ttx: ok then :)
[20:20] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: around?
[20:24] <Rhonda> Oh, logcheck is in main in ubuntu?
[20:24] <Rhonda> Because syncrequest asked me wether I have uploadrights for main. %-)
[20:24] <bilalakhtar> Rhonda: yes of course :)
[20:25] <bilalakhtar> Rhonda: and its requestsync :D
[20:27] <Rhonda> Yes, my tab-completion always tells me that again and again when I try. %-)
[20:28] <Rhonda> bilalakhtar: Which sponsoring team would I need to subscribe for that?
[20:29] <bilalakhtar> Rhonda: ubuntu-sponsors will do
[20:29] <Rhonda> … and I guess I should request PPU for logcheck in the long run.
[20:29] <bilalakhtar> All the sponsoring teams have been merged into ubuntu-sponsors
[20:29] <bilalakhtar> earlier there was ubuntu-sponsors-main and ubuntu-sponsors-universe
[20:30] <bilalakhtar> sorry ubuntu-main-sponsors and ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[20:30] <bilalakhtar> These teams still exist
[20:30] <bilalakhtar> but they have been deprecated
[20:45] <Laney> fabrice_sp: you can ;)
[20:50] <fabrice_sp> Laney, ok. I'll request the sync as soon as requestsync knows about it ;-)
[20:58] <Rhonda> ScottK: Thanks. :)
[21:38] <ajmitch> morning :)
[22:25] <AnAnt> Hello
[22:28] <ari-tczew> hello AnAnt
[23:35] <apparle> how to edit dependencies of package. I want to add X11 libraries to it?
[23:37] <ScottK> Rhonda: You're welcome.  I guess we need to make sure we have the amavisd-new  version that drops the logcheck stuff.
[23:39] <ajmitch> ScottK: we're not in any archive freeze period at th moment are we?
[23:39] <Laney> feature freeze
[23:39] <ajmitch> right, I was hoping the topic was up to date :)
[23:39] <ScottK> ajmitch: Nope.
[23:40] <ari-tczew> apparle: debian/control file
[23:41] <apparle> so I directly write libx11-6 to the depends line or is there anything else for X11 libraries?
[23:41] <apparle> ari-tczew: ^
[23:42] <ari-tczew> apparle: maybe try ask on #ubuntu-x
[23:52] <ari-tczew> persia, geser: could you update agenda's page with date next meeting?
[23:59] <persia> ari-tczew, Done.  It's the regular time, as the remaining folks haven't confirmed any time changes.


[01:08] <xnox> nacc, retriggered all current regressions with all-proposed=1 which have ruby in the name, this should do it to clear up obvious things that are fixed.
[02:54] <nacc> xnox: thanks!
[02:54] <nacc> xnox: i'll pick it up in the morning
[06:04] <doko> nacc, xnox: sorry. there were some unfullfillable b-d's needing >= 2.5.0
[07:13] <doko> tjaalton: xorg-lts-transitional has an invalid dependency. see excuses
[07:15] <tjaalton> doko: ok
[07:16] <tjaalton> ah
[08:13] <cpaelzer> bdrung: hi, any news to bug 1753938 and the related upstreaming?
[08:14] <cpaelzer> hmm I should have read the bug updates before asking :-)
[08:14]  * cpaelzer ponders why this missed the important flag in his inbox
[08:15] <cpaelzer> ok, so for now V3 is on its way
[08:15] <cpaelzer> keep me in the loop bdrung
[08:16] <cpaelzer> I made sure also the upstream thread shows up at the top of my inbox
[08:16] <cpaelzer> lets see what the V3 review brings
[08:39] <cpaelzer> I'm lokking for hint on side effects of adding a debian/<pkg>.install file
[08:39] <cpaelzer> my d/rules alwas had an override_dh_install that did dh_install and then some additional "install -m" calls
[08:40] <cpaelzer> it did not have a debian/<pkg>.install
[08:40] <cpaelzer> I added the latter
[08:40] <cpaelzer> and since then the "install -m" seem to fail on target dirs not being available
[08:40] <cpaelzer> I wondere if adding a debian/<pkg>.install did somehow stop it from creating those directories
[08:41] <cpaelzer> (no .dirs file btw)
[08:43] <cpaelzer> it is reproducible, I can take the debian/<pkg>.install out and it works again
[08:44] <cpaelzer> I can add a .dirs file to fix it, but I'd prefer to understand how the addition of the .install file affetcs the directory creation
[08:48] <cpaelzer> for those interested to help, reproducible with: "pull-lp-source chrony; cd chrony-3.2/; echo "debian/README.Debian /usr" > debian/chrony.install; dpkg-buildpackage -S -nc -d; cd ..; DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=3 sbuild -Adbionic-LP-amd64 chrony_3.2-4ubuntu1.dsc"
[08:48] <cpaelzer> or whatever your usual build setup is for the last step
[08:52] <cpaelzer> the path I'm missing in the bad case is not mentioned at all in the good case, so it is hard to spot what creates it in the good case
[08:53] <cpaelzer> ah found it
[08:54] <cpaelzer> it is a single binary package package, so it has a install file and the <pkg>.install obviously overrules that
[11:51] <juliank> So, I see that we have support for additional module signing keys in the kernel, but do we have support for signing dkms stuff automatically?
[12:41] <sasluc_> I assume that the reason for the package Ganeti not being part of the bionic/18.04 release is, that not all archs on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/ganeti pass the test?
[12:42] <doko> coreycb, rbasak: is it correct that tomcat8 is getting demoted?
[12:43] <rbasak> dpb1: ^
[13:16] <smoser> xnox: could you take a look at bug 1751797 ?
[13:16] <smoser> It sure seems to me that this bug affects close to 100% of desktop users. I'm really surprised there isnt more screaming.
[13:17] <xnox> smoser, i am surprised too.
[13:18] <xnox> smoser, what's your $ systemd-resolve --status <broken device> ?
[13:18] <xnox> do you have ~ in the search domain field?
[13:18] <xnox> smoser, is your router "normal" ISP provided thing, or some crazy custom firmware WRT?
[13:19] <xnox> smoser, and i guess i should move my desktop to use NM and check if i can reproduce this.
[13:21] <xnox> doko, your export DH_RUBY_IGNORE_TESTS=ruby2.3 ruby2.5 in debian/rules do not appear to affect the autopkgtest which are autodetected and autorun by gem2deb autodep8
[13:22] <xnox> doko, do you know how to make the packages ignore autopkgtest results too, not just build-time failures?
[13:23] <xnox> hm, looks like
[13:23] <xnox> test -f debian/ruby-tests.rake -o -f debian/ruby-tests.rb -o -f debian/ruby-test-files.yaml
[13:23] <xnox> is what generates it
[13:26] <smoser> xnox: posted to bug.
[13:27] <xnox> smoser, THANKS!
[13:40] <xnox> smoser, mine is similar http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xS2vP87TGb/ and I do not have same problem =/ i use different domain and 192. addresses instead of 10. ; and I do not have extra route to 169.
[13:40] <doko> xnox: sorry, no. ask #debian-ruby?
[13:53] <xnox> smoser, can i please get $ nmcli c show 72c7fac3-c017-4b76-9954-b4fb08262376
[13:54] <xnox> 181    /* If this link is never the default (e.g. only used for resources on this
[13:54] <xnox> 182     * network) add a routing domain. */
[13:54] <xnox> 183    route_only =   addr_family == AF_INET
[13:54] <xnox> 184                 ? !nm_ip4_config_best_default_route_get (config)
[13:54] <xnox> 185                 : !nm_ip6_config_best_default_route_get (config);
[13:54] <xnox> hmmmm.....
[13:54] <xnox> i smell that your routes might be causing something of above to fail.
[13:56] <xnox> smoser, it smells like NetworkManager knows better and claims it is not the best route....
[13:57] <doko> tumbleweed: do you have an idea about<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[13:59] <smoser> xnox: added.
[14:01] <xnox> smoser, can you explain your routes to me? e.g. what is this:
[14:01] <xnox> IP4.ROUTE[3]: dst = <IP_ADDRESS>/16, nh = <IP_ADDRESS>, mt = 1000
[14:01] <juliank> hmm, /dev/urandom on my T480s does 160 MB/s, my X230 had 260. hmm.
[14:02] <smoser> xnox: "crazy" openwrt
[14:03] <smoser> xnox: i'm not sure where that 169 route came from
[14:03] <smoser> 169.254 is ipv4 link local
[14:05] <xnox> smoser, reading network-manager code, instead of asserting that one ticked "only use this interface for resources on this network" it goes into guessing mode "how insane does this route look like"
[14:06] <smoser> xnox: if you're suggesting i clicked some b utton for "only use this interface for resources on this network", then I' have to say that that *could* have happened. i'm quite incompetent with user interfaces.
[14:06] <smoser> although the fact that i have a route to the interwebs *on* that network device would seem contradictory
[14:06] <smoser> ie, i'm using it to type this message to you.
[14:07] <smoser> so if network manager tried to only give me routes to local resources on that device then it failed.
[14:08] <smoser> and looking at network config, i do *not* have a check in 'Use this connection only for resources on its network'
[14:12] <xnox> smoser, yeah, and network-manager->dns->resolved-plugin doesn't seem to check for that checkbox, and instead tries to make an "educated" guess if this is a best route dns server, or not.
[15:09] <nacc> doko: np
[15:34] <nacc> mdeslaur: fyi, i think php5 might also be affected by (some of) those CVEs ?
[15:37] <mdeslaur> nacc: yes, I'm doing updates for php5 too
[15:37] <nacc> mdeslaur: thanks
[16:34] <tsimonq2> stgraber: Hey, mind looking at my queuebot MP I proposed a few weeks back?
[16:35] <tsimonq2> stgraber: Specifically: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/queuebot/add-ubuntu-qt/+merge/33675
[16:35] <tsimonq2> Er...
[16:35] <tsimonq2> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/queuebot/add-ubuntu-qt/+merge/336753
[16:36] <stgraber> lets see if I still know how to use bzr
[16:37] <tsimonq2> stgraber: Or you could just use https://github.com/mnauw/git-remote-bz
[16:37] <tsimonq2> ...
[16:37] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/mnauw/git-remote-bzr
[16:37] <tsimonq2> I never use Bazaar directly these days. ;)
[16:51] <dpb1> doko: yes, that was the intent
[17:06] <doko> dpb1: the source as well?
[17:16] <dpb1> doko: I feel like there is another question or concern behind that question? :)
[17:18] <bdmurray> bigon: Could you add SRU information to bug 1683761?
[17:19] <bdmurray> coreycb: does bug 1755027 need to be private? If so I'll reject the SRU upload.
[17:20] <coreycb> bdmurray: it probably should be until all the updates are queued up
[17:20] <coreycb> bdmurray: i'll add you to it
[17:20] <bdmurray> coreycb: Its not about me but SRU bugs need to be public.
[17:21] <coreycb> bdmurray: i think we can make it public when the updates are queued up. it's a security vulnerability.
[17:21] <coreycb> bdmurray: does that work?
[17:22] <bdmurray> coreycb: Sure are all these -dashboard packages in artful related to it?
[17:23] <coreycb> bdmurray: yes but the vulnerability is in ocata and before. we might as well make it public now.
[17:24] <coreycb> i should have updates by eod
[17:24] <bdmurray> coreycb: okay, feel free to ping me when you want them reviewed.
[17:24] <coreycb> bdmurray: ok thanks
[17:38] <bigon> bdmurray: I don't think I still have the package here
[17:39] <bdmurray> bigon: This is about update the bug report with a test case, regression potential etc.
[17:44] <doko> dpb1: looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt, a few binary packages are kept in main. I assume you should talk to the desktop team (libreoffice), if you want to demote tomcat8 altogether
[17:54] <dpb1> doko: ah, I see, because of the servlet library
[17:54] <dpb1> doko: ok, just the binary packages then
[17:54] <tumbleweed> doko: I did notice some ply related test failures before, because they weren't using dh_python-ply to have tight enough dependencies. Been meaning to look at those
[17:54] <dpb1> tomcat8 and tomcat8-admin
[17:54] <tumbleweed> but this one is not that
[18:02] <doko> dpb1: so still demote these binary package, even if we have to keep the source in main?
[20:47] <coreycb> bdmurray: everything's uploaded into the corresponding unapproved queues for 1755027
[20:48] <coreycb> bdmurray: there's a version of horizon in xenial-proposed atm that failed testing and needs to be rejected - 1725421
[20:48] <bdmurray> coreycb: if its already in -proposed there isn't really a way to "reject" it. just upload a better one.
[20:49] <coreycb> bdmurray: ok then the new version should be able to replace it
[20:51] <coreycb> bdmurray: for some reason i can't target some releases in launchpad, for example trove-dashboard doesn't have xenial or artful series available
[20:53] <bdmurray> coreycb: wow, that's weird.
[21:08] <bdmurray> coreycb: The API let me add one...
[21:09] <coreycb> bdmurray: that's promising
[21:09] <bdmurray> coreycb: should this have been included in the sahara upload? d/p/fix-neutron-related-openstack_dashboard-imports.patch:
[21:11] <coreycb> bdmurray: yes. unfortunately 7.0.0 is the correct version for artful but it was released too late so we have 6.0.0 in artful.
[21:12] <bdmurray> coreycb: I ask as that patch has no bug reference or anything.
[21:13] <coreycb> bdmurray: i understand. i could add one if you want. it hit a build failure running tests and that fixed it.
[21:14] <bdmurray> coreycb: I think it'd be best.
[21:15] <coreycb> bdmurray: ok. i need to step away for a little  but will do that and let you know when it's done.
[21:59] <coreycb> bdmurray: uploaded a new sahara-dashboard to artful with bug #
[22:03] <bdmurray> coreycb: Hate to be a pain but it didn't need a new version number since it hasn't been released anywhere yet.
[22:03] <bdmurray> coreycb: You could just reuse ubuntu1.1
[22:09] <coreycb> bdmurray: ok need a new upload? its just easier that way in our source repo rather than force pushing tags.
[22:12] <bdmurray> coreycb: If its extra work for you its fine then
[22:17] <coreycb> bdmurray: ok lets go with 1.2. thanks.


[00:00] <puzhengcai> hello
[01:47] <sunitasethi> hi
[02:03] <Kovica> I have a question about running a bash script via dolphin. In script run.sh I have a line like this ". ~/.bashrc" in ~/.bashrc I have "export MY_PROG_HOME=~/Apps/myProg/". The problem I have is that in run.sh MY_PROG_HOME is not set. Why?
[02:05] <LordOfTime> Kovica:  echo $MY_PROG_HOME
[02:05] <LordOfTime> anything come from that?
[02:06] <Kovica>  I have echo "MY_PROG_HOME=$MA_PROG_HOME" and the result is "MY_PROG_HOME="
[02:06] <Kovica> I have echo "MY_PROG_HOME=$MY_PROG_HOME" and the result is "MY_PROG_HOME="
[02:07] <LordOfTime> you didnt do what i said :p
[02:07] <LordOfTime> do 'source ~/.bashrc'
[02:07] <LordOfTime> then do 'echo $MY_PROG_HOME'
[02:08] <LordOfTime> anything come out from that?
[02:11] <Kovica> LordOfTime: I'm doing that in my script. And I gout empty string
[02:12] <LordOfTime> Kovica:  do it in terminal
[02:12] <LordOfTime> not in your script
[02:12] <LordOfTime> i thought that'd have been a given
[02:12] <LordOfTime> because you have to test outside of the script
[02:12] <Kovica> LordOfTime: In terminal I do get it right
[02:12] <Kovica> LordOfTime: So, MY_PROG_HOME=/home/user/Apps/Prog
[02:13] <LordOfTime> Kovica:  does MY_PROG_HOME need to be global outside of that script, or only within the script?
[02:14] <Kovica> LordOfTime: I'd like to have it set in my .bashrc so I can use that from any other script.
[02:15] <LordOfTime> Kovica:  try your script now, after you do source ~/.bashrc in the terminal first (again)
[02:18] <Kovica> LordOfTime: this is the script I have:
[02:18] <LordOfTime> Kovica:  pastebin
[02:19] <Kovica> LordOfTime: http://pastebin.com/V7tkdx2e
[02:20] <LordOfTime> try this: https://pastebin.com/ze26YwUS
[02:20] <Kovica> LordOfTime: If I add MY_PROG-HOME to .bashrc after I have opened a terminal then this script returns empty string
[02:21] <Kovica> LordOfTime: MY_PROG_HOME =
[02:21] <LordOfTime> read the pastebin i sent you
[02:21] <Kovica> I did
[02:22] <LordOfTime> did you try it?
[02:22] <Kovica> LordOfTime: MY_PROG_HOME =
[02:22] <LordOfTime> ahhhhhhh
[02:22] <LordOfTime> wait a sec
[02:22] <LordOfTime> you have to source .bashrc thhen first
[02:22] <LordOfTime> because if you add it to bashrc AFTER the terminal is open it won't be referenced
[02:22] <LordOfTime> so close the terminal and reopen it
[02:22] <LordOfTime> and try again
[02:23] <Kovica> LordOfTime: Now it is working..
[02:23] <LordOfTime> Kovica:  ~/.bashrc is only sourced when a new instance of Bash opens
[02:24] <LordOfTime> if you edit it *after* the session is up
[02:24] <LordOfTime> s/up/already open/
[02:24] <LordOfTime> you have to do source ~/.bashrc
[02:24] <LordOfTime> and it'll resource that file and apply it
[02:24] <Kovica> LordOfTime: But this is not what I want.. :) I want to be able to run the script via dolphin file manager
[02:24] <LordOfTime> Kovica: ... eh?
[02:24] <LordOfTime> what's this script going to do?
[02:25] <Kovica> LordOfTime: If I double click in thebash script inside of dolphin then I still get empty string
[02:25] <LordOfTime> you're not answering my questions
[02:25] <LordOfTime> why do you need to run the script from Dolphin?
[02:25] <Kovica> LordOfTime: Dolphin or from a shortcut in Desktop..
[02:26] <LordOfTime> give me 15 seconds to load up KDE
[02:28] <Kovica> LordOfTime: I need this because I install progam will install the actual program on the machine and write its path to .bashrc and put an icon on the desktop. The usercan install the program in a directory of his choosing
[02:28] <LordOfTime> .bashrc is a per-user file
[02:29] <Kovica> LordOfTime: yes..
[02:29] <LordOfTime> so ~/Any/Path will become /home/[user]/Any/Path
[02:29] <LordOfTime> so unless they have Any/Path in their own home dir, it won't work
[02:29] <LordOfTime> :p
[02:29] <Kovica> LordOfTime: the user will install it in its home directory
[02:31] <LordOfTime> Kovica:  oh... kay......
[02:32] <LordOfTime> i think you've messed up something, but...
[02:32] <LordOfTime> in Dolphin, my script's supposed to open a test file from a variable'd path location
[02:32] <LordOfTime> and its working fine
[02:32] <LordOfTime> so...
[02:32] <LordOfTime> *shurgs*
[02:32] <FloodBotK1> LordOfTime: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:32] <LordOfTime> shut up floodbot
[02:36] <Kovica> LordOfTime: hmm. What could I do wrong..
[02:40] <Kovica> LordOfTime: oh well.. Thanks for your help. It's a bit late here (4:40 in the morning). I have to go.. Bye
[05:13] <ussher_> when launching games they often try to take over the whole screen.  Is there a way to force them to launch into a single window that i can position where i want it?
[05:14] <ussher_> for example 'teeworlds' a game from the standard repos
[05:37] <Avihay> ussher_: try "man teeworlds" or ask google
[06:28] <gio3505> hello guys, anyone here?
[06:29] <xieyi> hi, what is the matter
[06:30] <gio3505> I was trying to install kubuntu via wubi, but kubuntu was not listed in desktop environments. Have any idea?
[06:31] <xieyi> sorry, I am newbie too :-p
[06:31] <gio3505> lol, k
[06:32] <gio3505> its odd though, cause the website says that wubi allows you to install it, but the only environment listed is ubuntu...
[06:34] <xieyi> maybe you can install kubuntu on virtual machine
[06:34] <gio3505> nah, kinda wanted to dualboot it. ill try the ubuntu channel.
[06:35] <xieyi> has anyone know how to edit formula in calligra word?
[08:13] <jpgeek1> hey there Kubuntu
[08:14] <jpgeek1> I have been trying to change the font size in xterm via the .Xresources file
[08:15] <jpgeek1> however setting the faceSize: only works if I set the font as well
[08:15] <jpgeek1> and setting the font to anything other than -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1
[08:15] <jpgeek1> makes Japanese input not show the qlyphs any more
[08:16] <jpgeek1> might someone be able to kindly point me in the right direction?
[08:25] <jxjl> good morning, I am trying new kde telephaty, but I have problem, whe I add presence plasmoid, I can't see it on panel, but when I right click on place, where it should be, menu with presence pops up. is this bug or I am doing something wrong?
[09:15] <cancer> http://paste.kde.org/487838/
[09:23] <mcloy> how to restart samba, my windows machine shares are not showing up
[09:24] <mcloy> is there a way not to install kde (remove it) but run dolphin or xchat or a video (just these applications) and do all work at command line?
[09:31] <cancer> Any HELP http://paste.kde.org/487838/
[11:53] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[12:15] <safridzal> help please, im using kubuntu 1204, after run a wine apps, half of my desktop gone. I've try restart the plasma-desktop but its not work
[12:16] <safridzal> ping
[12:17] <Mamarok> safridzal: no worries, that was just a netsplit
[12:17] <safridzal> whats netsplit?
[12:17] <Mamarok> safridzal: that is when the server is disconnected from the network
[12:18] <safridzal> owh..
[12:18] <Mamarok> as you need to go through a server to reach IRC
[12:18] <Mamarok> but it is nothing to worry about for the user
[12:18] <safridzal> can you help me??  im using kubuntu 1204, after run a wine apps, half of my desktop gone. I've try restart the plasma-desktop but its not work
[12:19] <Mamarok> safridzal: hm, did you try to just restart KDE?
[12:19] <safridzal> i've try restart the box
[12:20] <safridzal> and the desktop still weird
[12:20] <Mamarok> weird as in no planel visible?
[12:20] <safridzal> no, it like there is a space on my desktop
[12:20] <safridzal> my wallpaper can fill that space
[12:20] <Mamarok> safridzal: you see the panel?
[12:20] <safridzal> *cant
[12:21] <safridzal> Mamarok: yep, i see the panel, the wighet anything
[12:21] <safridzal> ah, i;ve unlock my widget, but i cant move them.. its kind of stuck
[12:21] <Mamarok> sounds like a graphical glitch to me, that usually is solved by restartin Kwin, which you do by just logging out of KDE and in again
[12:21] <safridzal> i've try that
[12:22] <Mamarok> you tried that already?
[12:22] <safridzal> yep, not working
[12:22] <Mamarok> what strange application did you try to run wiht wine?
[12:22] <safridzal> a game, 4x4 evo
[12:22] <safridzal> its run OK before..
[12:23] <Mamarok> just a moment, I need to fin where wine stores the settings which might be the problem
[12:24] <Mamarok> safridzal: check if you have a folder called .wine/
[12:25] <safridzal> on my ~ ?
[12:25] <Mamarok> yes, do -s -la in a konsole
[12:25] <Mamarok> sorry: ls -la
[12:25] <safridzal> .wine ?
[12:25] <safridzal> its there
[12:26] <Mamarok> then erase it, then restart KDE
[12:26] <safridzal> but my game will erased then?
[12:26] <safridzal> my c drive is on that .wine folder
[12:26] <Mamarok> well, the game appears to be the responsible for your desktop problem, not sure you really want to run that again
[12:27] <Mamarok> or at least run it as a different user
[12:28] <safridzal> brb
[12:40] <safridzal> Mamarok: not working
[12:41] <Mamarok> safridzal: you are not on a wubi isntallation, are you?
[12:42] <safridzal> no
[12:42] <safridzal> its a full insatll
[12:42] <safridzal> System:    Host aragorn-1215B Kernel 3.2.0-23-generic x86_64 (64 bit, gcc 4.6.3)
[12:42] <safridzal>            Desktop KDE 4.8.2 (Qt 4.8.1) Distro Ubuntu 12.04 precise
[12:42] <safridzal> and my graph
[12:42] <safridzal> Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] bus-ID 00:01.0
[12:42] <safridzal>            X.Org 1.11.3 drivers ati,fglrx (unloaded: vesa,fbdev,radeon) Resolution<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:42] <safridzal>            GLX Renderer AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics GLX Version 4.2.11627 - CPC Direct Rendering Yes
[12:44] <Mamarok> safridzal: changing the wallpaper didn't help I guess
[12:45] <Mamarok> what if you change the desktop layout?
[12:45] <safridzal> still not working
[12:46] <Mamarok> even with a different desktop layout? Try the search and launch one
[12:46] <safridzal> i've try to change to plasma netbook, and it fill all my screen
[12:46] <safridzal> but if i choose plasma-desktop, it still there, the space
[12:47] <Mamarok> that sounds like a plasma widget taking up that space and not being visible
[12:48] <Mamarok> safridzal: could you please make a snapshot of what it looks like? KSnapshot is the tool for that
[12:49] <safridzal> still waiting for imageshak tu load
[12:49] <safridzal> i got a very slow inet here
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hi folksd
[12:51] <Mamarok> hi BluesKaj :)
[12:52] <BluesKaj> hey Mamarok , how's things ? :)
[12:53] <Mamarok> fine, thanks. Triaging plasma bugs these days, quite a challenge :)
[12:53] <BluesKaj> I can imagine
[12:53] <safridzal> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/snapshot1xp.jpg/
[12:53] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: see -offtopic for the sequel :)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> yup , got it :)
[12:56] <safridzal> Mamarok: http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2840/snapshot1xp.jpg
[12:56] <Mamarok> safridzal: IIUC your desktop lost it's right side, correct? Please go to the system settings -> Display and Monitor and check if the settings there are correct
[12:56] <Mamarok> probably the game resized your resolution
[12:58] <safridzal> Mamarok: but i can right click on that blank space
[12:58] <safridzal> the monirot setting is right
[12:58] <Mamarok> can you drag the widets to that space too?
[13:00] <Mamarok> safridzal: can you drag the widgets to that space too?
[13:01] <safridzal> cant
[13:01] <safridzal> cant move the widget
[13:01] <safridzal> all my wigdet
[13:01] <Mamarok> you can't move them at all? weird
[13:01] <Mamarok> what if you set the desktop layout to grouping desktop instead of desktop?
[13:02] <Mamarok> does that help?
[13:02] <Mamarok> then it is a plasma bug fixed in 4.8.3
[13:02] <safridzal> how can i do that
[13:03] <Mamarok> right click on the desktop -> Desktop settings -> Layout
[13:03] <Mamarok> you can try between the desktop and grouping desktop
[13:04] <safridzal> nnot working
[13:04] <safridzal> still
[13:04] <Mamarok> those are quite similar, but I had to do this at some point in 4.8.2 to have my wallpaper stretched correctly
[13:04] <safridzal> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/27/snapshot2.jpeg
[13:05] <Mamarok> safridzal: what is your current desktop layout? Folder view?
[13:05] <safridzal> dekstop now
[13:05] <safridzal> and after i change to newspaper layot, i got this:
[13:05] <safridzal> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/27/snapshot3.jpeg
[13:06] <Mamarok> your desktop geometry is totally off, did you check if there is a shift in the horizontal orientation in the monitor (System settings -> Display and Monitor)
[13:08] <safridzal> its no rotation
[13:08] <safridzal> is that relevant?
[13:09] <Mamarok> safridzal: no, what is relevant is the position
[13:09] <Mamarok> that should be Absolute, 0, 0
[13:09] <safridzal> it is now
[13:09] <Mamarok> wasn't it before?
[13:10] <safridzal> it was
[13:10] <safridzal> aghh
[13:11] <safridzal> now i think about reinstalling
[13:11] <Mamarok> no, why? Upgrade to KDE 4.8.3 might be better, it is in the kubuntu-backports PPA
[13:12] <sallai> Helo
[13:13] <sallai> Egy kis segítség kellenecompiz-zal kapcsolatban
[13:13] <Mamarok> sallai: !hu
[13:13] <sallai> Tud segíteni valaki 12.04 LTS van telepítve?
[13:13] <Mamarok> sallai: this is an english cannel only, please
[13:13] <Mamarok> !hu > sallai
[13:14] <Mamarok> channel* actually
[13:14] <sallai> Köszönöm
[13:14] <Mamarok> sallai: English, please! I won't repeat that!
[13:17] <BluesKaj> !hu | sallai
[13:18] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: it's OK, I think he understood, the last word he said apparently means Thank you :)
[13:19] <Mamarok> I already told him the channel
[13:19] <BluesKaj> well, Mamarok , it's still not English :)
[13:20] <Mamarok> yes, but you are basically repeating what I already did :)
[13:20] <BluesKaj> ok , I just switched over to my test drive , so i missed that
[14:17] <faglnar> Why ia Konqueror/rekonq so slow?
[14:18] <Mamarok> faglnar: you have a slow computer or a slow connection maybe?
[14:18] <Mamarok> Rekonq works normally fast here, compared to Chromium and Firefox on the same machine
[14:19] <Mamarok> I haven't used Konqueror in ages though, can't tell about that one
[14:19] <faglnar> Slow connection yes, slow computer no. Firefox and chromium are fast as usual but rekonq does take even about 10 seconds to render the webinterface of my router which is connected per gigabit lan
[14:20] <BluesKaj> the problem is rekonq is the default and it's still a bit buggy
[14:21] <Tm_T> faglnar: I wonder if there's some JS involved that is slow on js engine rekonq is using
[14:21] <Tm_T> or something similar
[14:21] <faglnar> its the luci interface from openwrt
[14:22] <faglnar> but regardless of the site its significantly slower than firefox and chromium
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, rekonq keeps reloading here , I have to resize for my large monitor and it loads java or flash really slow then it reverts and I have resize again ...you might be on to something
[14:24] <faglnar> also how can I turn off the offer to install flash player on konqueror/rekonq start?
[15:35] <otherM> Hi...
[15:35] <otherM> I can't find the channel list in Quassel
[15:36] <otherM> got it
[15:38] <otherM> I just want to have casual conversation. This network seems mostly technical. Where could I go instead?
[15:38] <DarthFrog> #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:38] <otherM> good point
[15:45] <sparaj> hello to all kubuntu users
[15:46] <D-coy> :|
[15:49] <BluesKaj> hi sparaj
[16:54] <sunitasethi> hi
[17:01] <Ezim> hi sunitasethi
[17:12] <sunitasethi> hi
[17:25] <Joit> sunitasethi: hows your linux installation doing?
[17:27] <faglnar> I just found again a way to appreciate kde
[17:27] <faglnar> the incredible window behavior customization
[17:39] <elfh> hello
[17:41] <elfh> can anyone help me to install lmms on kubuntu 12, 64 bit? is it possible at all?  i added repositories, but when trying to install lmms i get error - not installable.
[17:43] <sunitasethi> Joit: it is so far as good...it takes some time to boot up
[17:43] <sunitasethi> Joit: i have ubuntu 12.04
[17:51] <Ezim> elfh, https://launchpad.net/~dns/+archive/sound?field.series_filter=precise
[18:01] <Joit> sunitasethi: good to hear that. I got 12.04 too, but it actually boot fast, i got a 3200mhz cpu with 1gb ram, cant complain about it, it starts faster then my other PC what first shows the boot menu and other stuff
[18:05] <swecarp> elfh,  iissent lmms in muon
[18:06] <Ezim> kubuntu boots okey here also
[18:06] <Ezim> with 12.04 even plymouth works good :)
[18:49] <elfh> swecarp, i tried install from muon, i get the following error: The "lmms" package could not be marked for installation or upgrade:
[18:49] <elfh>         Depends: lmms-common (=0.4.10-2ubuntu1), but 0.4.13-stable.git.2225-2~precise1 is to be installed
[18:49] <elfh>         Recommends: caps, but it is not installable
[18:49] <elfh>         Recommends: tap-plugins, but it is not installable
[18:49] <elfh> Ezim, i already added those ppas
[18:50] <Ezim> elfh, okey.. did not lmms that was in muon from start good enough?
[18:50] <elfh> i didn't have lmms in muon from the start.
[18:51] <Ezim> elfh, I you should.. weird..
[18:51] <qbit> I see lmms in my Muon here too
[18:52] <elfh> Ezim, i checked muon software center and couldn't find it there. then i added ppa and checked it again - no luck, then found those packets in muon package manager
[18:53] <Ezim> elfh, yeah you should first search muon package manager
[18:53] <Ezim> I do not use muon software center
[18:53] <Ezim> do not find it good enough
[18:54] <elfh> Ezim, well, i can delete those ppas and check again. will this change anything?
[18:54] <Ezim> elfh, you will have the package provided by ubuntu
[18:54] <Ezim> should work
[18:54] <elfh> Ezim, ok, will try now
[18:55] <Ezim> elfh, you know how to remove ppa?
[18:55] <elfh> Ezim, just uncheck  in software sources?
[18:55] <Ezim> elfh, no
[18:56] <elfh> Ezim, tell me then ;)
[18:56] <Ezim> elfh, you want the command line way or gui way?
[18:57] <elfh> gui
[18:57] <Ezim> elfh, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/y-ppa-manager
[18:57] <Ezim> sudo apt-get update
[18:58] <Ezim> sudo apt-get install y-ppa-manager
[18:58] <Ezim> done...
[18:58] <Ezim> now use y-ppa-manager
[19:00] <Ezim> elfh, with y-ppa-manager you can easily remove/add ppa
[19:00] <Ezim> and also many other usefull stuff
[19:02] <elfh> Ezim, some errors again The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:02] <elfh>  ardour : Depends: libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.5~dfsg-14) but it is not going to be installed or
[19:02] <elfh>                    libjack-0.116
[19:02] <elfh>  gstreamer0.10-plugins-good : Depends: libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.5~dfsg-14) but it is not going to be installed or
[19:02] <elfh>                                        libjack-0.116
[19:02] <elfh>  jackd2 : Depends: libjack-jackd2-0 (= 1.9.8~dfsg.2-1precise1) but it is not going to be installed
[19:02] <FloodBotK1> elfh: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:04] <elfh> Ezim, errors again: http://pastebin.com/ADbL7Mtp
[19:04] <elfh> btw, why removing from muon software sources is not enough?
[19:06] <Ezim> elfh, try :)..
[19:07] <elfh> Ezim, seems like that worked. it started installation
[19:09] <Ezim> elfh, nice nice
[19:11] <elfh> Ezim, it runs, thanks a lot!
[19:11] <Ezim> elfh, np.
[19:25] <JMichael|work> anyone else having issues with kde netbook interface being very crashy in 12.04?
[19:29] <Ezim> JMichael|work, have you looked for launchpad-bugs?
[19:31] <JMichael|work> Ezim: no i have not. i was just curious as to whether or not anyone here had encountered anything like this
[19:55] <JMichael|work> good god.... ubuntu's servers are STILL pathetically slow. are they ever going to fix this problem?
[19:56] <JMichael|work> installing KDE SC 4.8.3 right now... averaging 15kB/s down, on a GB network
[19:57] <JMichael|work> estimated time is 1h 15m
[20:06] <Ezim> JMichael|work, have you tried other mirror/server?
[20:06] <JMichael|work> Ezim: how do you do that with PPAs?
[20:07] <Ezim> JMichael|work, hehe... you mean kubuntu-backports?
[20:07] <JMichael|work> Exposure_: no, just the kubuntu PPA, in this case
[20:07] <danielo_> hey. I can You tell me how to share files throught nfs in 12.04
[20:07] <JMichael|work> Ezim: : no, just the kubuntu PPA, in this case
[20:08] <danielo_> not by samba but native linukx share native system
[20:09] <danielo_> so nfs or zero conf
[20:10] <danielo_> using rmb on folder I can share only by samba, but in earlier version was nfs to
[20:14] <BluesKaj> danielo_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[20:15] <gh0ul> Any special steps one has to take to get the ibus icons in systray under 12.04? Ibus seems to work, but I get no icon.
[20:15] <danielo_> thx
[20:30] <danielo_> to hard for me :P
[20:30] <danielo_> I will stay with samba :P
[20:31] <danielo_> I remeber that earier it was working out of box
[20:31] <danielo_> :P
[21:40] <petersaints> exit
[21:52] <ramon> hola estoy buscando alguien que hable español para conversar un rato
[21:53] <BluesKaj> !es | ramon
[22:43] <safridzal> help please, I cant add widget to my desktop anymore, but I can add widget to panel
[22:51] <safridzal> help please, I cant add widget to my desktop anymore, but I can add widget to panel
[22:54] <genii-around> In settings.. workspace behaviour ... virtual desktops ... Do you have Different Widgets for Each Desktop checked off?
[22:59] <safridzal> genii-around: its not checked
[23:00] <genii-around> safridzal: Please check it off and apply the change, then try to add a widget after that
[23:01] <safridzal> it works
[23:01] <safridzal> but i lost all my widget setting on my old desktop
[23:02] <safridzal> i just set 1 dekstop, how its possible ?
[23:03] <genii-around> safridzal: I'm not sure, sorry
[23:03] <safridzal> log off. brb
[23:08] <safridzal> genii-around: it works after reboot
[23:09] <safridzal> now i can add desktop widget
[23:09] <safridzal> thanks genii-around
[23:09] <safridzal> :D
[23:09] <genii-around> You're welcome
[23:56] <GH0> Does anyone know how to enable wake on lan on an Intel NIC through driver settings?
[23:56] <GH0> I know you can do it in Windows, but I am not aware of how to do it through Kubuntu and my google searching-fu was not enough.


[18:56] <technolo-g> hi all :)
[18:56] <technolo-g> im having an issue in which cloud-init on rhel is not utilizing the config_drive provided by openstack. im currently running 0.6.3-0.12. Is it just too old of a version to pick up the configdrive (which is properly provided as disk by label config-2)
[19:04] <smoser> technolo-g, config-drive-v2 support came in 0.7.0
[19:04] <smoser> ubuntu carries backport to 12.04's 0.6.3
[19:05] <technolo-g> has anyone built >0.7.x on rhel6 do you know?
[19:17] <smoser> technolo-g, i dont know. harlowja ^
[19:18] <harlowja> ya, its been built
[19:18] <harlowja> in active use at y!
[19:18] <harlowja> rhel version 6.2, 6.3
[19:19] <technolo-g> great, thanks guys. I'll see if i can track it down.
[19:19] <technolo-g> once it is installed, it should automatically be looking for that configdrive correct? or do i need to specify a datasource?
[19:20] <smoser> probably should, yesh.
[19:22] <technolo-g> excellente, thanks again :)
[19:43] <technolo-g> ok, sorry for the lazy questions, but im having a hard time finding how to explicitly set a datasource on an installed cloud-init. would it be possible to point me in the right direction? The datasources doc does not (that i can see) demonstrate how to set the datasource
[19:45] <smoser> technolo-g, well its just a cloud.cfg setting.
[19:45] <smoser> datasource_list: [ NoCloud, ConfigDrive, OpenNebula, Azure, AltCloud, OVF, MAAS, Ec2, CloudStack, None ]
[19:45] <smoser> unless your config (or packaged config) overwrote it, it should be there.
[19:48] <technolo-g> ok cool, i do have that. ill give it a shot
[21:04] <technolo-g> alrighty, so running 0.7.1 (the only srpm i could find that would build on rhel6), when specifying the ConfigDrive datasource it just doesn't seem to find anything. i am still able to mount the configdrive itself and browse the contents. am i hitting this fix maybe?
[21:04] <technolo-g> - allow config-drive-data to come from a CD device by more correctly
[21:04] <technolo-g>    filtering out partitions.  (LP: #1100545)
[21:34] <technolo-g> that was it :) now to do it cleanly