[10:48] <tommymann> does anyone have a dictionary applet?
[10:49] <jma> Rizado: I don't think 3.5.6 has been released yet.
[10:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Rizado: edgy is 3.5.5
[10:49] <apollo2011> I have one account on Ubuntu and it got deleted from sudoers so I can't do anything as root, but I need to be root in order to change the settings so I can log into X as root or to gain root access to change /etc/sudoers. What do I do?
[10:49] <Rizado> okey thanks
[10:51] <jma> tommymann: install kdict package
[10:54] <dbase13> evening
[10:55] <dbase13> wow... is everybody sleeping?
[10:55] <adz21c> :P
[10:55] <jontec_> can anyone tell me why nearly everytime I try to transfer a file to my windows computer on the network... my network connection suddenly goes out? That means my internet goes out too. To get back on I have to do ifconfig eth0 up, down, and then run dhclient
[10:55] <NeoChaosX> busy with other things, I'm guessing
[10:56] <dbase13> hehe
[10:56] <SlimG> what is the default value of LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
[11:03] <jma> SlimG: it seems the environemnt variable default to "". dl loader searches for /lib and /usr/lib, but not /usr/local/lib
[11:05] <dora> hi
[11:06] <SlimG> jma: thanx, just what i needed
[11:11] <savtronic> hi
[11:14] <Xal> Hi
[11:15] <Xal> I have to remove a hard drive from my system. By doing so, my linux drive will go from sdb2 to sda2
[11:15] <Xal> Is there a problem with that?
[11:16] <noiesmo> Xal, you will need to edit /etc/fstab
[11:16] <adz21c> as i recall ubuntu now started using UUID instead of /dev's in fstab so shouldn't be a problem
[11:16] <adz21c> but i am not sure if thats for Edgy only
[11:17] <Xal> hmm good point
[11:17] <Xal> I'll see if it simply works
[11:17] <noiesmo> adz21c, looks right
[11:17] <adz21c> not sure if thats the case for dapper though
[11:18] <noiesmo> adz21c, my fstab has "converted during upgrade to edgy" for uuid from hda etc
[11:19] <adz21c> yea, so was mine, but i mean if Xal is still on dapper his wouldn't have been converted ... pending dapper still uses /dev's i can't remember :-P :)
[11:19] <noiesmo> yeah
[11:19] <Xal> I'm on edgy
[11:19] <adz21c> then all should be well :-)
[11:19] <noiesmo> Xal, then you be right :)
[11:19] <jontec_> Takin' you to the edge
[11:20] <danielk> hi
[11:21] <danielk> i cant find liblame in the repository multiverse, running against deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[11:21] <danielk> anyone else?
[11:22] <radiant> hey, anyone know the full server name for undernet?
[11:23] <heapme> us.undernet.org ?
[11:23] <hatta> there are lots of servers on undernet
[11:23] <Xal> I hate hard drive failure.
[11:23] <hatta> that's why it's a net
[11:23] <adz21c> danielk: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/l/lame/
[11:23] <noiesmo> danielk, can you see liblame0
[11:23] <heapme> is the LTS version of kubuntu gaurenteed to be stable and not have a crashy kde?
[11:23] <hatta> http://www.undernet.org/servers.php
[11:24] <andreasw> Anybody else has problems with the console font (doesn't display menus well or german umlaute)
[11:24] <radiant> thanx ^^
[11:24] <danielk> yeah in the link i got now, but i cant see it with apt-cache search liblame0
[11:26] <danielk> adz21c i se it there, but it should work with apt-get, and thatws whats worring me, i did a dist-upgrade from dapper and changed dappers respoitories to edgys, arent they the same?
[11:26] <Xal> restarting.. hope it worked ^^
[11:26] <adz21c> danielk: have you tried sudo apt-get update?
[11:26] <danielk> yeah
[11:27] <danielk> adz21c: i even deleted my cache and took them all again with apt.get update
[11:27] <adz21c> bizarre. It shows up fine when i run the command
[11:27] <Xal> nope, for some reason it didn't work.
[11:28] <danielk> do you have the se server?
[11:28] <adz21c> i am using gb but the mirriors should be same i would assume
[11:28] <ryantmer> What is the actual program called for Thunderbird (the file)?
[11:28] <danielk> ah, well i supose, i did take a look at the package file and no mention of liblame there, other than a dependency...
[11:29] <ryantmer> Because I click Thunderbird from the K menu, and the bar with the hourglass comes up in the taskbar, but it doesn't actually run
[11:29] <ryantmer> (It eventually disappears)
[11:29] <adz21c> ryantmer: run it through konsole and see if it spits out an error
[11:31] <Xal> It does use the UUIDs
[11:31] <adz21c> good stuff
[11:31] <Xal> Do I have to change anything in fstab?
[11:31] <adz21c> shouldn't
[11:32] <Xal> Hmm I went into grub and typed root (hd0,1) setup (hd0)
[11:32] <danielk> adz21c: if you run this whats the output?     apt-cache search lib | grep lame
[11:32] <ryantmer> adz21c: Nope... I just pauses, then goes to a new line
[11:32] <ryantmer> *it
[11:32] <Xal> Then I restarted, got the GRUB menu alright, but I recieved error 17, can't mount drive.
[11:33] <adz21c> oh so your not getting past grub?
[11:33] <Xal> nope
[11:33] <adz21c> danielk: liblame-dev - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder & liblame0 - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder
[11:33] <Xal> ah, I need to change the grub settings.
[11:34] <adz21c> yea that doesn't use uuid's :P i didn't think of that one :-)
[11:34] <luis> hola
[11:34] <matu> Hi. Do I need to compole de Kernel before I compile a driver for web cam?
[11:34] <luis> some body speak spanish???
[11:35] <matu> compole-> compile
[11:35] <Xal> That seemed to work.
[11:35] <adz21c> matu: shouldn't do, as long as u got the sources for the kernel u got installed you should be able to compile just the driver
[11:35] <danielk> matu: no but you need the kernel header files
[11:35] <Xal> or maybe not.. back to the drawing board
[11:35] <adz21c> haha
[11:35] <adz21c> how far this time?
[11:35] <matu> I think I have everything, but in the wrong directory
[11:36] <Xal> I got to an initfs prompt. I may have missed something in my menu.lst
[11:36] <adz21c> well i never had to configure grub so u know more than me :-) lol
[11:37] <Xal> Are you a Linux pro?
[11:37] <adz21c> nah :P
[11:37] <Xal> I wish I were, but I really don't have time.
[11:38] <luis> I nedd u help
[11:38] <danielk> matu: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:39] <blekos> hello,
[11:39] <blekos> i'm trying to set alt+shift to change language but not like
[11:39] <blekos> in gnome works fine
[11:39] <adz21c> luis: #kubuntu-es?
[11:40] <luis> si
[11:41] <Xal> sweet, that worked ^^
[11:41] <Xal> thanks
[11:41] <matu> I already have the headers. Thing is drivers make doesn't work ( gspcav1 )
[11:41] <adz21c> Xal: what you do?
[11:41] <jontec> I have a major problem. I don't think that my connection is allowing me to upload files. You name it, I haven't been able to upload files to gmail, hotmail, transfer files across my network OR even sftp upload to a computer sitting right beside me! What is going on!?!
[11:41] <Xal> I attend high school, but I have a heavy load.
[11:43] <kayshi> t
[11:43] <adz21c> Xal: i mean to make it work but good to know :-):P
[11:43] <matu> Best way to make a webcam work in kubuntu ?
[11:43] <Xal> OH haha
[11:43] <Xal> :p
[11:44] <helge> I try to install kdenlive from Klik, It says (for a starter) that I am missing; libffmpeg0-0.4.9-8 , where do I find it?
[11:44] <Xal> I just changed the (hdx,x) setting and sdxx setting in menu.lst
[11:44] <adz21c> ah ok
[11:44] <Xal> the first for root, and the second in the kernel path
[11:45] <ninHer> i need some help about allowfmp3
[11:45] <Xal> allofmp3? You mean the one the RIAA is suing for 1.7 trillion dollars?
[11:45] <ninHer> yes, the same
[11:46] <Xal> rofl
[11:46] <Xal> What do you need help with exactly?
[11:46] <blekos> how can i disable bluetooth?
[11:46] <ninHer> when i was ready to pay or add some cash, i don't see the visa kind card
[11:47] <ninHer> just diners and another one
[11:47] <Xal> blekos: you can just uninstall all the bluetuth stuff
[11:47] <Xal> use apt-cache search bluetooth
[11:47] <Xal> then apt-get remove (anything with bluetooth)
[11:47] <blekos> i dont want to uninstall it
[11:47] <blekos> i just want to disable it to save power
[11:48] <Xal> Do you have any bluetooth devices?
[11:48] <Xal> Well, bluetooth settings can be found in the system settings applet.
[11:48] <blekos> yrd
[11:48] <blekos> yes
[11:48] <Xal> Go to your K menu and then to System Settings
[11:49] <Xal> There is a bluetooth button in there.
[11:49] <Xal> ninHer: I have no clue.
[11:49] <Xal> I don't use it.
[11:49] <ninHer> ok Xal; thanks anyway....i will keep on trying
[11:52] <Xal> blekos: did you find it?
[11:52] <premier_> hello
[11:53] <premier_> when I started using kubuntu, I had to turn acpi off.  Kubuntu wouldnt start otherwise
[11:53] <blekos> well i found it, but there is no option for disabling it
[11:53] <blekos> all local services etc are disabled
[11:53] <Xal> hmm
[11:54] <Xal> apt-cache search bluetooth
[11:54] <Xal> Look for a management utility.
[11:54] <premier_> Now I realize that acpi is pretty important, for battery management, startup and shutdown, hibernation, screen lumenosity, etc
[11:54] <premier_> Can anyone help me figure out what the problem is and maybe fix it?
[11:54] <Xal> What problem?
[11:55] <Xal> Oh that
[11:55] <Xal> What brand laptop do you have?
[11:55] <premier_> dell inspiron E1705
[11:55] <premier_> which apparently also goes by the name 9600
[11:56] <premier_> yeah, kubuntu wouldnt startup correctly unless I turned off acpi and apic
[11:57] <premier_> I had to pass the kernel "acpi=off noapic nolapic" to get it to work
[11:57] <premier_> I kinda half wonder if "noapic nolapic" would work.     I'd like to have acpi support
[12:05] <Xal> I had to do that way back when I used Warthog
[12:05] <Xal> I think
[12:05] <Xal> What was version 5.10?
[12:05] <premier_> Hoary?
[12:05] <snowrichard> hello
[12:06] <kogber> Gnome users: I am writing a Howto for the forum, and I need a Gnome version of how to add a process to Autostart (xbindkeys, specifically).  Anyone care to help?
[12:06] <genii> premier_ You should be able to just edit that in the grub menu.lst ...the "noacpi" ... just remove it
[12:06] <premier_> are you sure?  What if the computer still hangs on startup?  Just give up?
[12:07] <genii> premier_ Well if you change it and the boot hangs you can boot to the safe kernel, edit it back etc
[12:07] <premier_> remember I have to remove the battery to turn off this computer once it hangs. Im a little skeptical about crashing a mounted filesystem.
[12:07] <premier_> But I guess I can change it
[12:07] <Xal> Yeah Hoary
[12:08] <premier_> genii: Can I just pass special "cheat codes" using grub?
[12:08] <genii> premier_ So long as you don't change the safe boot parameters it will be recoverable...just a pain :0
[12:08] <premier_> oh I seee
[12:08] <premier_> okay, Im gonna give it a try
[12:08] <genii> premier_ There are some other specific powersave stuff you can set ...not commandline
[12:09] <genii> premier_ Lemme look it up
[12:09] <premier_> okay, Ill be rebooting my computer
[12:09] <blekos> can anyone explain y alt+shift isn't working in KDE?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> vlwhat do you expect it to do?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> blekos: ^^^ that was for you
[12:11] <blekos> o sorry, 2 b able 2 swift be2n languages
[12:11] <deus3> hmm... that seemed to work perfectly fine
[12:11] <deus3> or Im sorry
[12:11] <blekos> i tried to change kbr layout but no luck
[12:12] <genii> premier_ So it's not giving you grief?
[12:12] <premier__> doesnt look like it
[12:12] <premier__> looks like I have two battery managers
[12:13] <genii> premier_ I've heard some laptops have issues when on AC with the power features
[12:13] <jontec_> I have a major problem. I don't think that my connection is allowing me to upload files. You name it, I haven't been able to upload files to gmail, hotmail, transfer files across my network OR even sftp upload to a computer sitting right beside me! What is going on!?!
[12:13] <jontec_> premier_: there is one called kdesktop and powermanager... it's normal
[12:14] <premier__> genii: dont know about that... Im on ac right now
[12:14] <jontec_> premier_: I'm on a laptop right now...
[12:14] <genii> premier_ The main symptom if you have that issue is like a 3 minute or so boot time
[12:14] <jontec_> genii: I am having trouble with changing my power profile... :D but that's not my primary concern right now


[14:48] <brice__> Hi everyone
[14:48] <brice__> I try to found some gods about themes
[14:49] <brice__> I want to use the Ambiance theme, but not all buttons (aboce, stick) are in this theme. I try to found a link (I'm sure someone had modify the theme and add thoses buttons), a coder able to do that(i think it's simple to do that wehn you know want you do ....) or any information.
[14:49] <brice__> If the option is : "someone can do that", i dont need any art work, i need only a good .xml file with "above" and "stick" like the "menu" (menu_prelight.png and menu.png). i try to do that into the .xml file, but after many try i think i'm not able to do this simple thing
[16:35] <brice__> someone have knowedge about xml files of metacity theme ?
[16:41] <vish> brice__: pretty much the same people over here and on gnome-art ;)
[16:42] <vish> brice__: i'm not exactly sure what those "above" and "stick" options you mention, but your best chances are look for themes which have those buttons and try to copy it
[16:42] <brice__> I'm on both, but no answer about my problem
[16:43] <vish> brice__: yea, i dont think i've even seen anyone use that feature, never even heard about it.. and if people on gnome-art dont know either, then the chances are pretty slim :)
[16:43] <brice__> i tryed, but without succes (modify theme)
[16:44] <vish> brice__: do you have an example theme which uses those features?
[16:44] <brice__> hmm, i'm very surprise
[16:44] <brice__> yes
[16:44] <brice__> wait
[16:44] <brice__> both are into the oficial Ubuntu 10.10 distrib
[16:44] <vish> o.0
[16:44] <brice__> yes ...
[16:45] <brice__> you know, the windows buttons, close, minimize, maximize ...
[16:45] <brice__> ?
[16:45] <vish> yup
[16:46] <vish> brice__: i think you maybe using the wrong name for it, an example theme would help understand better what you are looking for
[16:46] <brice__> into gconf-edit, it's the "config line" with something like that [menu:minimize,maxomize,close]
[16:47] <vish> i know those, but whats the  "above" and "stick"
[16:47] <brice__> into metacity, we can configure the option, ":" for the side, left or right of the windows button position
[16:47] <brice__> yes, and stick is to keep the windows into all deskops
[16:48] <brice__> and above, to keep a window above all others
[16:48] <vish> brice__: those are options in the drop down menu, there are no buttons for that
[16:49] <vish> atleast i havent seen any theme with that available
[16:49] <brice__> with the themes i will give you, i can do that without problem into gconfedit  : [close,minimize,maximize,spacer,above,stick]
[16:49] <vish> brice__: do you have an example theme which has those buttons?
[16:49] <brice__> yes, i come back
[16:50] <brice__> ok :
[16:50] <brice__> it's not full theme, but into "windows border"
[16:50] <brice__> "crux" windows border
[16:51] <brice__> and "Bright" windows border
[16:51] <vish> ah!
[16:51] <brice__> close,minimize,maximize,spacer,above,stick work with those themes
[16:51] <brice__> and shade too, but i dont use it
[16:52] <vish> brice__: ok, then check out the xml for crux
[16:52] <brice__> i done that
[16:52] <brice__> but i was not able to modify Ambiance to use it
[16:53] <vish> brice__: the ambiance file in /usr/share/themes/Ambiance ?
[16:53] <brice__> (sry about my bad english since the begening of this conversation)
[16:53] <brice__> yes
[16:53] <vish> no worries :)
[16:53] <brice__> same for crux
[16:53] <brice__> and bright
[16:53] <vish> brice__: you need to edit the file as root
[16:53] <brice__> done
[16:54] <brice__> i'm not able to found the good code to put into the metacity.xml, all my try crash the theme
[16:54] <brice__> i made many try, with various line number, many various code
[16:55] <brice__> i tryed with the Ambiance xml, copy the code and adapt it with some information i took into crux xml or bright
[16:55] <vish> brice__: open the metacity-theme-2.xml
[16:55] <vish> in crux
[16:55] <vish> it has the lines
[16:56] <brice__> yes, i found it, but i cant put them simply into the ambiance xml
[16:56] <vish> brice__: maybe you need to add it as it is done in crux, as metacity-theme-1.xml and metacity-theme-2.xml
[16:56] <brice__> metacity-theme-2.xml of crux, and metacity-theme-&.xml of ambiance arre not very equals
[16:56] <brice__> i tryed many things, without success
[16:57] <vish> brice__: ambiance does not have those lines, so you need to add new lines
[16:57] <brice__> yes
[16:57] <brice__> i done
[16:57] <brice__> but my "code sentenses" dont work
[16:57] <brice__> because i'm not familiar att all with that, i understand the way, but i'm bad
[16:58] <brice__> i try to do that since 2 days ! :)
[16:58] <brice__> i done all things you said
[16:59] <brice__> but in the bad way, because dont work, and i'm sure it's not impossible, i'm sure it's easy when you know ...
[16:59] <brice__> it's my problem .....
[16:59] <vish> brice__: if you've added all the other lines relevant to those functions too and still it does not work.. then hmm, i'm not sure.. :)
[17:00] <brice__> and i dont need arwork, i want to use the menu.png and the varient lighted, for "stick" and "above" fonction
[17:00] <brice__> it's xml metacity format ....
[17:00] <vish> yup.. understood that.. but try checking the code again and make sure it is complete
[17:00] <brice__> this must work, but i must found the good code sentence, into the good chapter of the xml
[17:01] <vish> brice__: if nothing else works, try contacting the author
[17:01] <brice__> i cant undersatnd for real all lines, but i undersatnd sometimes the mean
[17:01] <brice__> I try to contact someone maked a personnal theme
[17:01] <vish> brice__: look at the author contact info at the top of the xml file, he maybe able to help
[17:02] <brice__> with knowedgs, of corse, with metacity xml
[17:02] <brice__> done too
[17:02] <brice__> yesterday night
[17:16] <DustyOS> Hello Every One!!
[17:17] <brice__> Hi
[17:18] <DustyOS> hey there, so this is the Ubuntu-Art IRC chat eh?
[17:18] <brice__> vish, feel free to make some tryes with the xml file if you have some knowedge, i will be happy to have a working xml ! :D
[17:19] <vish> brice__: why not just use the crux theme and modify it to look like ambience.. should be easier ;)
[17:19] <DustyOS> Would it be OK if I joined the Ubuntu-Art team?
[17:20] <DustyOS> I would LOVE to
[17:20] <vish> DustyOS: sure.. check out the topic for some ways to get involved
[17:20] <brice__> Vish, i think not !
[17:20] <DustyOS> Alright cool!
[17:20] <vish> brice__: just change the images in crux , should not be too hard
[17:21] <DustyOS> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art how about this?
[17:21] <brice__> crux ->ambiance, some lines to add, ambiance->crux, all code to change
[17:21] <DustyOS> I am wanting to join the art part
[17:22] <vish> DustyOS: the art part done by the community is participating in contests like » http://is.gd/iwunay
[17:22] <brice__> Vish, not possible, the spacers are differents, and the write is very different
[17:22] <brice__> it's all the code to change
[17:22] <vish> brice__: ah, then i'm totally out of ideas ;)
[17:22] <DustyOS> OK thanks
[17:22] <DustyOS> brb- lunch
[17:22] <vish> DustyOS: also Ubuntu has a dedicated design team, Canonical design team
[17:32] <thorwil> iwunay  edapuj suhucu?
[17:32] <thorwil> shoprobdang!
[17:33] <vish> ;)
[17:33] <thorwil> at least no rickrolling
[17:35] <vish> is.gd has this option to have the urls as more "pronounceable" and i get those
[17:35] <vish> otherwise it is even more random gibberish,
[17:40] <DustyOS> Back
[17:41] <vish> DustyOS: so, i've updated the topic and you got more links to check out ;)  btw, you should know that the default wallpaper and theme is done by the Canonical design team
[17:41] <DustyOS> Woah I se
[17:41] <DustyOS> see*
[17:41] <DustyOS> thats interesting
[17:41] <DustyOS> So how do I join them?
[17:41] <vish> DustyOS: join whom?
[17:42] <DustyOS> canonical
[17:42] <vish> DustyOS: maybe when there are jobs available/open
[17:42] <DustyOS> They don't pay right?
[17:43] <vish> DustyOS:  the Canonical design team gets paid :)
[17:43] <DustyOS> Ahh...I see
[17:44] <DustyOS> Like I was wanting to contribute themes, cursors, wallpapers, icons ect..
[17:44] <DustyOS> How would I do such things?
[17:44] <vish> DustyOS: well, for wallpapers you can checkout the links in the topic
[17:45] <DustyOS> I saw them
[17:45] <DustyOS> Thanks
[17:45] <vish> DustyOS: for others, you can do work and submit on sits like gnome-look.org
[17:45] <vish> sites*
[17:45] <DustyOS> Right
[17:46] <DustyOS> Like how does a guy get it so your wallpaper that was made shows up in the next update or update for Ubuntu?
[17:46] <DustyOS> Or themes
[17:47] <vish> DustyOS:  for the wallpaper its in the links you can get your wallpaper in the next release.. ;)
[17:47] <DustyOS> Oh right
[17:48] <vish> DustyOS: themes, only 1 main theme and the rest are older themes, you can do the all the work and submit as proposals to be included, but no assurances that it might be.
[17:48] <DustyOS> I see
[17:48] <DustyOS> Would U say submitting things to Gnome-Look is contributing to Ubuntu?
[17:49] <vish> yup.. :)
[17:49] <DustyOS> Nice,
[17:49] <DustyOS> I have a question
[17:49] <DustyOS> I plan on making some cursors
[17:49] <vish> DustyOS: if you are looking to contribute to Ubuntu, just do what you like and do it without expectation whether it will be included or not in the default
[17:49] <vish> DustyOS: cool!
[17:50] <DustyOS> I know there are addons like the Gimp-Registry has the .cur add on. Do I need to script anything?
[17:50] <vish> not sure..
[17:50] <DustyOS> For instance hovering over a link creats a hand
[17:50] <vish> i'm not familiar with cursors :)
[17:50] <DustyOS> I see
[17:51] <vish> DustyOS: usually if the work is good and complete, it has better chances of getting considered for inclusion
[17:52] <DustyOS> That would make scene
[17:53] <DustyOS> What do U do?
[17:53] <vish> DustyOS: humanity icon theme
[17:53] <DustyOS> HA! U made that?
[17:54] <brice__> vish: If you have eventualy a link (mail, hour to contact here) with a man in the team familiar with xml about my problem, thx :)
[17:54] <vish> DustyOS: yea, with a couple of other guys..
[17:54] <DustyOS> Woah!! Thats so awesome! A real pleasure to meet U.
[17:55] <DustyOS> One of the best icons for Ubuntu out there is the humanity one
[17:55] <vish> pleasure to meet you as well.. :)
[17:55] <DustyOS> Great job on it too
[17:55] <vish> thx..
[17:55] <vish> brice__: i really have no clue about crux theme, and i havent heard of that author , i havent seen him here.
[17:56] <vish> brice__: he doesnt hang out here, crux theme is mostly from GNOME
[17:56] <brice__> not only about crux, but someone with knowedge about metacity xml work
[17:57] <brice__> vish: i need someone able to read esy metacity xml code
[17:58] <vish> brice__: it really should not be that hard, just try looking at the code fully, you might have missed a couple of lines hence it does not get displayed
[17:59] <vish> brice__: what you want is basically already there in those lines.. you just need to narrow it down.. sometimes trial-n-error helps ;)
[17:59] <brice__> vish: i miss something about the good place to put the adapted code, and the call of the value put in memory like valuename=value
[18:00] <brice__> I'm trying again to read the code ... but I'm very in need of help with metacity xml code god men
[18:01] <vish> brice__: try #metacity on irc.gimp.org
[18:01] <brice__> vish: empty channel
[18:02] <vish> hmm..
[18:03] <brice__> It's strange to see it's not possible to found someone able to code xml metacity, it's need to make a theme
[18:04] <brice__> here, or in gnome-art, or tango, or clearlooks ... nobody know what is close, above, shade, stick .... and it's one of the base of theme in xml ... :'(
[18:05] <vish> brice__: thats because no one use stick/above.. ;)
[18:05] <vish> brice__: check out the year for crux, 2002.. ;)
[18:06] <brice__> yes, but it's the same way like close or minimize .... :/
[18:06] <brice__> just need knowedge about xml ....
[18:06] <brice__> if someone is able to code something with close, minimize, he is able to code with above and shade and stick
[18:07] <vish> brice__: not necessarily.. i only have two options i can suggest. (1) try looking at the code again slowly, it really is not hard. (2) try recreating ambiance theme from crux.
[18:08] <vish> brice__: btw, why exactly are you looking to add those buttons?
[18:08] <brice__> (3) found a creator of any other metacity theme ;)
[18:08] <vish> thats not *my* suggestion ;)
[18:09] <brice__> vish: I stay around, I wont be mmore boring about this, i continue my code try ... I will see ... If you meet someone, any information .... thx a lot
[18:09] <vish> you're welcome.. :)
[18:20] <brice__> angry/sad  mode on
[19:30] <vish> heh, so much for trying to help brice__ ! /me got literally nagged in PM
[19:30] <vish> metacity xml is not really very hard, and IMO, quite easy to actually understand what it does
[19:31] <vish> but he wants someone to look into the theme and write it for him … o.0  and just cause he likes it that way..
[19:39] <darkmatter> lol
[20:45] <coz_> hey all
[21:25] <doctormo> hey coz_
[21:26] <doctormo> Can you review for me this desktop background?
[21:26] <doctormo> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/edu/perspective.png
[21:28] <highvoltage> doctormo: I'm not sure how I feel about that blue background, I think I liked it more before
[21:29] <highvoltage> doctormo: I also wonder if there should be slightly less earth visible, I'm not sure but I think it might be better with slightly more space
[22:01] <doctormo> highvoltage: Hello
[22:10] <doctormo> highvoltage: So, like that you think?
[22:34] <coz_> doctormo, hey guy


[00:26] <rick_h_> lol
[00:40] <gary_poster> heh
[00:40] <gary_poster> I wondered about that myself
[00:42] <huwshimi> hatch: Also, thanks for fixing that :)
[00:51] <rick_h_> gary_poster: did we get any word on inspector qa?
[00:52] <rick_h_> poke your head up at night and get ping'd :P
[00:52] <gary_poster> rick_h_, no.  hoping no news is good news.
[00:52] <gary_poster> :-)
[00:52] <rick_h_> cool, ok well night.
[00:52] <gary_poster> night :-)
[11:09] <luca__> anyone here who's working on the inspector?
[11:23] <rick_h_>  luca__ yep, what's up?
[11:24] <luca__> rick_h_: hey
[11:24] <luca__> rick_h_: I need help with a error message, I'm not sure what's possible on the dev side of things
[11:24] <luca__> rick_h_: I'm just writing an email about it
[11:24] <rick_h_> luca__: sure thing
[11:24] <rick_h_> k
[11:25] <luca__> rick_h_: I just sent it, maybe you could check it out
[11:25] <rick_h_> luca__: will do
[11:26] <luca__> rick_h_: also, it's always been planned that if you edit your config and then press the close button that it should prompt you with a "You have unsaved changes, do you want to save your progress? Discard/save"
[11:27] <rick_h_> luca__: k, file a bug on that one and we can get that updated
[11:27] <luca__> rick_h_: ok
[11:27] <rick_h_> luca__: please let us know where/how we're to present that to the user
[11:27] <luca__> rick_h_: yeah, I had it at the top but I think it looks weird
[11:27] <rick_h_> the issue is location/space. They could be scrolled around and such. I'm assuming we'd do something like the popup slide thing like on destroy service?
[11:27] <luca__> rick_h_: yeah
[11:28] <luca__> rick_h_: at the top
[11:28] <luca__> rick_h_: but I think it will look weird so Spencer is mocking it up
[11:28] <rick_h_> ok, yea please put that into the bug then to help with that.
[11:29] <rick_h_> luca__: and we have to remember that it needs to work for both the ghost/non-ghost inspector
[11:29] <rick_h_> pre-post deploy
[11:29] <luca__> rick_h_: yup
[11:30] <rick_h_> luca__: for your email, what if we were to do something like red-border the input field and replace the description text under the field with a red error message?
[11:30] <luca__> rick_h_: oh, that could work
[11:31] <luca__> rick_h_: can we do that on the fly or would we need to have the user press save first to get the error message?
[11:31] <rick_h_> I think we can do it on the fly
[11:31] <rick_h_> but I've not looked at how the input validation is going on atm
[11:32] <luca__> ok, afaik we are only checking the string and integer thing, I haven't been told about any other error types
[11:32] <rick_h_> luca__: sure, we could also look at highlighting the (string) part of the name section as well if that helps with that issue
[11:33] <luca__> rick_h_: interesting :)
[11:33] <rick_h_> but I think if we were to add an error message "wordpress port must be an integer" where the description is it might be clear/not require space movements too much
[11:34] <luca__> yeah, I'll get spencer to mock something up\
[11:34] <luca__> thanks for the idea, it's better than the ones I've been throwing around :)
[11:34] <rick_h_> luca__: cool, yea file a bug on both of those and we'll try to get those updated asap
[11:35] <rick_h_> luca__: other than that things looking ok for release?
[11:38] <luca__> rick_h_: I think styling wise yes, but I've found a few UX bugs, some I think are UX stuff that hasn't been implemented at all and that the inspector is ok to launch without and the others are just minor tweaks I think.
[11:38] <luca__> rick_h_: I have them listed in a email which I was going to send once I had finished the wireframes for the save dialogues.
[11:38] <rick_h_> luca__: ok, well cool overall booo if we missed some stuff. Thanks for the run through
[11:38] <luca__> rick_h_: there isn't anything big
[12:15] <gary_poster> hey luca__ .  I was going to see if I could get the "build relation" menu to always show and hide with the inspector this morning, because you and I had talked about that and it seemed to me like a real potential annoyance, especially to a new user.  Not sure if it is a quick job or not but will try.  Do you agree with that UX prioritization or do you have something higher on your list?
[12:35] <rick_h_> gary_poster: does hatch's branch from yesterday meet the requirements for the inpsector card on "service name selection should give live feedback"?
[12:36] <gary_poster> rick_h_, yes, I think so.  It doesn't have the spinner but that's because the check is effectively instantaneous.  Do you have concerns?
[12:37] <rick_h_> gary_poster: no, just looking at the cards left and it seemed like that one could go away
[12:37] <gary_poster> rick_h_, it is on my board.  I will refresh
[12:38]  * rick_h_ didn't follow that...but ok :)
[12:38] <gary_poster> oh!
[12:38] <gary_poster> we had two for the same thing
[12:38] <gary_poster> you deleted
[12:38] <gary_poster> thank you :-)
[12:38] <rick_h_> right, I was trying to determine if they were different in some way beyond the text on the card
[12:38] <gary_poster> yeah, cool
[12:38] <gary_poster> sorry for being confused
[12:38] <rick_h_> mornings... hah
[12:38] <gary_poster> :-)
[12:39] <gary_poster> so the only ones to take have hatch's face on 'em
[12:39] <gary_poster> and only one of those is not blocked
[12:39] <rick_h_> yea, and a couple are blocked
[12:39] <rick_h_> I was giong to run through and do the charm model rename real quick and maybe luca__ will have the updates they want after that
[12:40] <rick_h_> if you read the back scoll, they've got a couple of outstanding things they're working on an email about, but not sent yet
[12:40] <gary_poster> ok.  that one kinda scares me right before release but it is probably fine.  s/BrowserCharm/Charm/g seems safe on the face of it
[12:40] <gary_poster> yeah I saw
[12:41] <rick_h_> yea, the idea was to run one full release before we change the names back to catch anything
[12:41] <rick_h_> and so we're about ready for a big release, been a couple of them now actually
[12:41] <gary_poster> oic
[12:41] <gary_poster> we made a release with everything except for that change you mean, right?
[12:41] <gary_poster> everything on that refactor path, I mean
[12:41] <rick_h_> right, we've left that change back in case anything poppuled up on the old Charm name
[12:41] <gary_poster> ok cool
[12:41] <gary_poster> yeah, that's a good one
[12:42] <rick_h_> popped...wtf is poppuled
[12:42] <gary_poster> :-)
[12:56] <luca__> gary_poster: That's fine to work on, it's an annoyance hehe, I'm just about to send some inspector bugs via email to you, to get it all wrapped up./
[13:08] <gary_poster> cool thanks luca__ .  That bug may turn out to be bigger than I I have time for--it may be that reimplementing the new relation UX will be a better use of time once we get there, because the inspector and the current menu implemention are too disconnected with one another right now.  investigating a bit more still
[13:09] <luca__> gary_poster: no worries, the new UX for building a relation is much better anyway :P
[13:09] <gary_poster> luca__, agreed.  we don't have wireframes for that yet, do we?  I know you showed me but I don't recall where
[13:10] <luca__> gary_poster: not yet, Mark S didn't sign the design off :(
[13:10] <gary_poster> ah :-(
[13:11] <luca__> gary_poster: he signed the UX off but not the design, so it's most probably not worth implementing
[13:11] <gary_poster> right
[13:38] <hatch> morning
[13:40] <gary_poster> morning hatch
[13:41] <hatch> how does juju deal with load balancers?
[13:41] <rick_h_> how so?
[13:41] <hatch> I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention anything about them
[13:41] <rick_h_> for juju itself? there are charms for things like haproxy
[13:41] <gary_poster> hatch, you  deploy a service that is a load balancer and hook it up
[13:41] <gary_poster> yeah
[13:41] <hatch> would that be a charm level feature?
[13:41] <gary_poster> no
[13:41] <gary_poster> well
[13:41] <gary_poster> not really
[13:41] <rick_h_> hatch: well you'd run the haproxy charm, which has interfaces for load balancing things like a web service
[13:42] <gary_poster> a charm has to connect to the right interface.  Like Rick says
[13:42] <hatch> ahh ok gotcha
[13:43] <hatch> I was just thinking because we add all these units but we never connect it via anything to split up the requests :)
[13:44] <gary_poster> luca__, thank you very much for the detailed feedback!  Some of them we've talked about before as being technically difficult/impossible now.  I'll reply with details back, and we can start working on the rest.  Do I understand correctly that you don't regard any of these as show stoppers though--we could in theory launch as is and you would be OK with it, with the knowledge that we would be improving subsequently?
[13:44] <gary_poster>  If that's not the case, I'd like to work with you to categorize and prioritize
[13:44] <rick_h_> yea, so charmworld in production is meant to have some squid proxying and such to do that
[13:44] <gary_poster> hatch also some charms balance themselves or have cleverness built in
[13:44] <gary_poster> if a load balancer is sufficient, then great
[13:44] <gary_poster> but, for instance, databases have to be a lot smarter
[13:44] <gary_poster> and the charms support that
[13:45] <gary_poster> I think our mysql charm is pretty good, and we have our postgres expert working on the postgres charm so I am guessing that it rocks but have no firsthand knowledge of that
[13:45] <rick_h_> jujugui I need two reviews and a QA of this mechanical branch to bring jcsackett's model awesomeness work to an end please. https://codereview.appspot.com/13273047/
[13:45] <hatch> ahh ok ok
[13:46] <rick_h_> https://jujucharms.com/precise/haproxy/#bws-readme has some notes on using it for instance.
[13:47] <hatch> I went kiting last night and tangled up my kite so I had a lot of time to think about juju while floating to shore :P
[13:47] <rick_h_> lol
[13:47] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:47] <rick_h_> isn't it chilly these days? I've starte to see boats around here getting covered/shrink-wrapped
[13:47] <rick_h_> 35F this morning
[13:47] <gary_poster> rick_h_, I'll do code review.  then going to go back to trying to reply to email
[13:47] <luca__> gary_poster: the only ones that I think are high priority is the Quick action notification bugs, apart from the resolved unit bug.
[13:48] <luca__> gary_poster: I think the terminology is the most important thing
[13:48] <hatch> rick_h_: yeah the mornings/nights are cold but the days are still warm +20C. The bodies of water are pretty big so it takes them a while to cool off
[13:49] <luca__> gary_poster: everything else is ok to do post release
[13:49] <gary_poster> ack luca__, thank you.  hatch, IIRC there was a technical issue on this quick action notification item.  could you comment, please?
[13:49] <gary_poster> >       o There should be multiple error tabs, each type of error should
[13:49] <gary_poster> >         be pulled out into it's own Quick action notification, for
[13:49] <gary_poster> >         example, 10 Start errors, 10 relation errors, etc.
[13:51] <hatch> split them up in the unit overview?
[13:52] <bac> rick_h_: do you need another reviewer?
[13:52] <gary_poster> hatch, yes, main inspector
[13:52] <rick_h_> bac: yes please
[13:52] <bac> okeydokey
[13:52] <rick_h_> bac: thanks
[13:52] <gary_poster> bac could you be qa dude?
[13:53] <bac> sure
[13:53] <gary_poster> bac for rick's branch I mean.  thank you
[13:53] <hatch> gary_poster: yes there was, just pulling up the code to see what it was
[13:53] <gary_poster> thanks hatch
[13:54] <gary_poster> rick_h_, trivial comment, but you could also adjust file names in this branch if you wanted.  e.g. test_browser_charm_details.js -> test_charm_details.js.  <shrug>
[13:54] <rick_h_> gary_poster: sure thing
[13:55] <gary_poster> rick_h_, though in that case the file name might be intended to be test browser: charm details.  there is also a test_browser_search_view.js, for instance
[13:56] <rick_h_> gary_poster: true, I think some of it is "this is browser code" and some of it was just naming collisions when there were two models
[13:56] <gary_poster> so rick_h_ whatever you think
[13:56] <jcsackett> abentley: so the diff for all the work is 665 lines, or you can look at each thematic bit if you want to look at the pipes. have a preference? i'll create an MP for the entirety of it if you would prefer.
[13:57] <abentley> jcsackett: I'll look at the whole thing.
[13:57] <hatch> gary_poster: right now the go backend tells us when a unit is in error but doesn't tell us why without parsing the string which is very fragile, they are working on providing us an error object so that we have a proper dataset to act on cc) luca__
[13:57] <gary_poster> hatch thanks.  right so luca__ we are working on that one in Juju Core but Juju does not allow us to do it yet in a safe way
[13:59] <jcsackett> abentley: dig.
[14:02] <gary_poster> rick_h_, code LGTM.  jcsackett, we almost have your great BrowserCharm/Charm unification work past the very last step thanks to rick_h_ doing the last s/BrowserCharm/Charm/g.  Yay!
[14:03] <jcsackett> gary_poster, rick_h_: huzzah!
[14:03] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:03] <rick_h_> thanks for the review gary_poster
[14:03] <gary_poster> np, thanks rick_h_
[14:03] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I'm not seeing this email from luca. Is there a next thing to start getting done to unblock release? or start fixing for post release?
[14:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: and was this email sent to something non-peeps or is my email fubar
[14:04] <gary_poster> rick_h_, sent to peeps, titled "Inspector bugs"
[14:04] <gary_poster> can forward?
[14:04] <gary_poster> I can, if you want, I mean
[14:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: thanks, will check the gmail spam folder I guess.  You spammer luca__ ! :P
[14:05] <rick_h_> gary_poster: got it, thanks
[14:06] <gary_poster> rick_h_, heh.  I'm writing a reply to the email, but the only blockers are these small ones, assuming luca__ is OK with the technical limitation Jeff mentioned above that we are trying to work around for later.
[14:06] <gary_poster> >       o "XX Running" should read "XX running units"
[14:06] <gary_poster> >       o "XX Pending" should read "XX pending units"
[14:06] <gary_poster> >       o "XX Needs reboot" should read "XX machine need to be restarted"
[14:06] <gary_poster> >       o "XX Security upgrade" should read "XX security upgrades available"
[14:06] <rick_h_> gary_poster: ok, so is preference to grab something from bundles or a small item from this list.
[14:06] <gary_poster> rick_h_, branch fixing those plus any other small things from his email that you can throw in quickly would be great
[14:06] <rick_h_> gary_poster: rgr
[14:07] <gary_poster> thank you
[14:07] <luca__> gary_poster: that's fine with me, it'll get in there some day :)
[14:07] <gary_poster> :-) cool luca__ thanks.  I'm writing a reply with status of all of those you raised so we can refer back to them later.
[14:08] <gary_poster> hatch, luca__ , I thought we had UX direction to no longer have the "hide help text" button.  Do either of you remember anything in that vein?
[14:08] <gary_poster> >       o The "hide help text" button in the configuration section is missing.
[14:09] <hatch> yes that was removed
[14:09] <hatch> as per ux ;)
[14:10] <gary_poster> luca__, so yeah, we thought you explicitly told us that you had changed your mind, and not to do that
[14:10] <luca__> gary_poster: oh, right, never mind that one then. I didn't have that catalogued in wireframes :(
[14:10] <gary_poster> cool thanks luca__
[14:20] <gary_poster> luca__, another one.  You said this:
[14:20] <gary_poster> >       o I haven't seen any resolved unit notifications pop up, I imagine
[14:20] <gary_poster> >         that is because it doesn't work in the simulator.
[14:21] <gary_poster> I'm not sure what you mean by resolved unit notifications and don't see them in the wireframes.  What am I missing?
[14:22] <gary_poster> luca__, last one:
[14:22] <gary_poster> >       o When you press "Save" to save any changes the input fields flash
[14:22] <gary_poster> >         green, this shouldn't happen. It should show the green checkmark
[14:22] <gary_poster> >         for a short period of time.
[14:23] <gary_poster> I had mentioned to you at the sprint that a fading background checkmark didn't work well with CSS animations, and I wanted to do the green field flash, and you said that was OK.  Maybe I didn't explain clearly?
[14:26] <bac> waiting to hear if my airbnb reservation will be accepted by the hosts.  it's like waiting to be picked for the kickball team.
[14:26] <rick_h_> bac: lol, did you send them a gift basket? I hear that helps smooth the selection process
[14:26] <rick_h_> bac: I'll be curious to hear how that goes sometime. I've never had the guts to mess with it.
[14:27] <bac> no, but i did get a recommend from tom berger.  that's got to be worth something.
[14:27] <bac> rick_h_: we've used it a lot.  never had this review process before.
[14:27] <rick_h_> bac: interesting
[14:28] <bac> i want to put our guest suite on there to rent.  but i've been overruled.
[14:29] <jcsackett> abentley: new MP up with info about the whole mess. https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/charmworld/better-stats-window/+merge/186044
[14:39] <abentley> jcsackett: looking.
[14:41] <gary_poster> rick_h_, LGTM with one comment
[14:42] <rick_h_> gary_poster: hah, I hadn't put it up yet. Just finished my proposal comments :P
[14:42] <gary_poster> rick_h_, oh, sorry :-)
[14:42] <rick_h_> gary_poster: and my proposal comments covered your ? :P
[14:42] <gary_poster> rick_h_, yes, thinking about it
[14:43] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yea, I originally updated it to keep in sync with the rest of the boolean/checkboxes. I didn't want to worry about the html/JS issues with having this one be different.
[14:44] <rick_h_> I could try to scope the .hidden-checkbox to be inside of a config div or something, but they're generated the same so that they share styles
[14:44] <gary_poster> rick_h_, I dunno, I'd prefer changing the handler to look for the textvalue node and only make the change if it exists, and then remove the node from the HTML.  I'll regard it as bikeshedding and leave it to you though.
[15:00] <bac> jujugui: is it a known issue that 'view all notifications' messes up everything?  i don't see a bug for it.
[15:00] <bac> i can describe more precisely if needed.
[15:00] <hatch> bac: I thought it just showed under the browser/inspector
[15:01] <rick_h_> bac: it's been brought up. I mentioned it at the sprint and there's talk of reworking but you're right. I don't remember seeing a bug
[15:01] <gary_poster> pretty sure there is one, but maybe I just imagined one
[15:01] <gary_poster> looking
[15:01] <bac> hatch: that plus it brings up the bottom of the canvas leaving a black void that doesn't go away
[15:01]  * gary_poster needs to appoint someone  bug tracker wrangler
[15:01] <bac> pretty much makes everything unusable
[15:01] <rick_h_> gary_poster: heh, started to poke at it in slack time yesterday. It's a mess
[15:02] <gary_poster> bac, can click on juju logo to escape
[15:02] <bac> gary_poster: oh, then never mind.  :)
[15:02] <gary_poster> thanks rick_h_ .  volunteers welcome. :-)
[15:02] <rick_h_> gary_poster: hah, I've got commitment problems :P but can try to help
[15:02] <gary_poster> heh ok thanks
[15:04] <gary_poster> bac, hatch, rick_h_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1218011
[15:04] <_mup_> Bug #1218011: full notification list is difficult to read and to use <juju-gui:Triaged by lucapaulina> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218011>
[15:05] <rick_h_> gary_poster: ah, thanks
[15:06] <rick_h_> ooh, it's official http://insights.ubuntu.com/news/press-releases/ubuntu-on-windows-azure-gets-the-juju-magic/
[15:07] <rick_h_> thanks for the review bac
[15:19] <hatch> gary_poster: so there is a small issue with this new approach for the service name
[15:19] <gary_poster> hatch, uh oh :-)
[15:19] <hatch> actually no sorry it's pre-existing
[15:19] <hatch> but anyways...
[15:19] <hatch> I change it's name, it updates the canvas
[15:19] <hatch> I click 'save' to close the inspector
[15:20] <hatch> I open the inspector, it shows the original value, but the canvas shows the custom name
[15:20] <gary_poster> hatch, what does the model say?  the original value?
[15:21] <gary_poster> oh
[15:21] <gary_poster> wait you said save
[15:21] <gary_poster> that
[15:21] <gary_poster> hatch that is an issue with save sucking
[15:21] <gary_poster> forgot about that :-(
[15:21] <hatch> lol
[15:21] <hatch> rename save to 'suck' ?
[15:21] <hatch> haha
[15:21] <gary_poster> heh
[15:21] <gary_poster> hatch, in general save discards all values atm right?
[15:22] <hatch> right - I thought I saw a branch go through which fixed that
[15:22] <hatch> but the code doesn't reflect that
[15:22] <gary_poster> dunno, I didn't see that
[15:22] <gary_poster> hatch, ok, sounds like another showstopper
[15:22] <hatch> well we could rename 'Save' to 'Close'
[15:22] <gary_poster> heh
[15:23] <hatch> because that's what it does now
[15:23] <gary_poster> close should reopen with same values I'd argue
[15:23] <hatch> 'Cancel'
[15:24] <hatch> :D
[15:24] <gary_poster> :-P
[15:25] <gary_poster> hatch I suggest you finish up your branch, I'll finish up mine, and then we can discuss options for this other issue, after whoever finishes first.  sound good?
[15:25] <hatch> sure thing
[15:25] <gary_poster> thanks
[15:27] <bac> rick_h_: ...and i got declined!  wow.
[15:28] <rick_h_> bac: :( sorry, I called them and warned them about your party animal side
[15:28] <gary_poster> huh!
[15:28] <gary_poster> weird
[15:28] <gary_poster> heard you were a crazy American
[15:28] <bac> gary_poster: it was for sf, the weekend before the sprint
[15:29] <gary_poster> bac, oh!  even weirder
[15:29] <bac> teh germans still get their shot
[15:29] <gary_poster> heh
[15:30] <dimitern> rogpeppe, https://codereview.appspot.com/13720045/ I have a review for you :)
[15:40] <hatch> we are so cool even the core guys are hangin out here now
[15:40] <hatch> look at us go
[15:42] <hatch> I think the HACKING doc is missing something...rapi is telling me that zookeeper isn't installed but I definitely just installed it
[15:43] <hatch> anyone have any ideas?
[15:43] <rick_h_> hatch: so it's a python thing. the virtualenv either needs a --site-pacakges flag or you need to isntall zookeeper into it
[15:43] <rick_h_> hatch: I did the later
[15:44] <hatch> ENGLISH SON!!!
[15:44] <gary_poster> lol ????
[15:44] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/1025/ where pip is the virtualenv's pip
[15:44]  * rick_h_ goes to look where it is these days
[15:45] <gary_poster> I think that's an expression lost from translation from the Canadian
[15:45] <hatch> haha clearly
[15:45] <luca__> gary_poster: Resolved unit quick action notification is a list of units that have been resolved.
[15:45] <rick_h_> hatch: so run `source virtualenv/bin/activate`
[15:45] <rick_h_> hatch: and then run those three pip commands in the paste and get back to me
[15:46] <gary_poster> luca__, ah ok.  how long do they stay there?  /me goes to look at wireframes again
[15:46] <luca__> gary_poster: it's in the list of quick actions in the wireframe
[15:47] <luca__> gary_poster: I think you did explain yourself clearly but it doesn't look good after seeing it…there is no way we can have a green checkmark? even if it doesn't fade and instead just appears and disappears.
[15:47] <hatch> rick_h_: did you forget some of that path?
[15:47] <rick_h_> hatch: it's assuming you're in your working tree
[15:47] <hatch> well I'm in the rapi dir but there is no virtualenv
[15:47] <gary_poster> luca__, yeah we can have a checkmark appear/disappear without fade
[15:48] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, go back up a level
[15:48] <luca__> gary_poster: there isn't much more UX for it than just a bar. They go to live there until dismissed for a second time. It to allow you to find units that you have marked as resolved, instead of them being lost.
[15:48] <rick_h_> hatch: that's from the root of the gui dir
[15:48] <luca__> gary_poster: ok, that would be fine
[15:50] <gary_poster> luca__, checkmark: ok cool, I'll get it done.  resolved unit notification: so you want a a select all checkbox and a dismiss button?  or a dismiss all button?  I wonder if that needs to be sketched out a bit more
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10
[15:50] <gary_poster> thanks Makyo
[15:50] <luca__> gary_poster: I'll get the UX done
[15:52] <hatch> rick_h_: ok ran all those commands, they executed successfully but still no luck
[15:52] <hatch> ImportError: No module named zookeeper
[15:52] <gary_poster> cool thanks luca__ .  hatch, any concerns with above discussion of resolved unit notification?  luca__, note that this will be specific to your browser.  If you reload or go to another browser or whatever, data will be gone.  hatch, I envision us doing this with local annotations.  luca__, what happens if a resolved unit gets a new error?  it stays in resolved list and also is in error list?
[15:53] <rick_h_> hatch: let's hang on after the call and we can get it going
[15:54] <luca__> gary_poster: hatch do you think there is value in this quick action? The only reason I added it was because it seems quite dangerous to resolve something that still potentially has an error. I'm not tied to it.
[15:55] <hatch> I think there are too many edge cases to add this feature before release
[15:55] <luca__> hatch: oh yeah, of course, this isn't a high priority thing.
[15:55] <luca__> hatch: but is there value in the feature?
[15:55] <luca__> hatch: it's like a tracking thing
[15:56] <bcsaller> Resolve should indicate things are working properly, if that is true you don't need them, if its false they should generate new errors on usage
[15:56] <hatch> so there is a unit in error, you resolve the error, then you click resolve - that's it
[15:57] <hatch> if there is another error, it'll go back into error state
[15:57] <hatch> I don't think they stay in any 'limbo' mode
[15:57] <gary_poster> luca__, that's certainly a fair observation (the danger).  hatch we won't add this before release, no worries.  we're talking longer term.  luca__, I think the observation is good but I suggest that we should wait for user feedback in this regard before designing/building.
[15:57] <gary_poster> hatch bcsaller, don't quite agree
[15:57] <luca__> bcsaller: gary_poster hatch if that is the case then I guess there is no need for it :)
[15:57] <gary_poster> "retry" I agree
[15:57] <gary_poster> but "resolve" is going to say "juju, this is fine, trust me"
[15:58] <gary_poster> and any further errors will only be operational outside of the purview of juju
[15:58] <bcsaller> retry being explicitly rerun hooks, which will either succeed or fail right away
[15:58] <gary_poster> right
[15:58] <bcsaller> but if you actually resolved the issue with resolve you might not need that
[15:58] <hatch> right - but how would we know when to remove the resolved unit from the 'tracking' section to 'running'?
[15:58] <gary_poster> but "resolved" is a marker not an action
[15:58] <bcsaller> not with resolve, and then 'told juju it was resolved'
[15:59] <gary_poster> hatch it would be in both AIUI
[15:59] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 1
[15:59] <gary_poster> in link from calendar
[15:59] <bcsaller> it didn't used to be, it just says take it out of the error state and being running hooks again (but without forcing the last hook to run)
[15:59] <gary_poster> sure, but if last hook was start...
[16:12] <bac> gary_poster: from our conversation i wrote a rewrite rule ~bac/charms/precise/wordpress -> ~bac/precise/wordpress.  curtis says it is unneeded.
[16:13] <gary_poster> Makyo, reading your guidocs branch, cool, thank you!  Trivial suggestion so far: remove "search" and "-[REVNO]" from links.  For example, href="https://jujucharms.com/fullscreen/search/precise/juju-gui-76/" could become href="https://jujucharms.com/fullscreen/precise/juju-gui/"
[16:13] <Makyo> gary_poster, ah, cool, will do.
[16:13] <gary_poster> bac why?  I thought you already had a "remove charms" rewrite anyway
[16:14] <gary_poster> Makyo, also trivial: THis is
[16:14] <gary_poster> +            good for a monitoring type scenario.</p>
[16:15] <gary_poster> Makyo, you may want to mention that readonly does not protect the API behind a higher security: it is a visual change only.
[16:15] <gary_poster> That sucks, but it is the truth
[16:15] <bac> gary_poster: the first one is only for '^/charms' and a separate for '~user/charms' (done correctly)
[16:16] <gary_poster> bac, ah ok, that makes sense to me.  why does curtis not like it?
[16:16] <bac> gary_poster: 'user urls don't have "charms" in them'.  but this rule is to account for mapping old urls, no?
[16:16] <gary_poster> Makyo otherwise LGTM, thanks again!
[16:18] <gary_poster> bac, that's the intent, but maybe I was wrong and they never looked like that?  Certainly if I go to https://manage.jujucharms.com/~gary/oneiric/buildbot-slave that works and https://manage.jujucharms.com/~gary/charms/oneiric/buildbot-slave
[16:18] <gary_poster> that doesn't
[16:19] <gary_poster> bac, so IOW maybe I was wrong.  If Curtis says we never had old urls like https://manage.jujucharms.com/~gary/charms/oneiric/buildbot-slave then I'm fine with going with his suggestion
[16:20] <bac> gary_poster: that is curtis' assertion
[16:20] <gary_poster> (or https://jujucharms.com/~gary/charms/oneiric/buildbot-slave)
[16:20] <gary_poster> he would know better than I
[16:20] <gary_poster> sorry for any wild goose chasing I may have sent you on, bac
[16:21] <bac> np.  just don't want it any more cluttered than necessary
[16:21] <hatch> rick_h_: I just kicked off CI again for ya
[16:21] <rick_h_> hatch: ty sir
[16:21]  * rick_h_ corsses fingers
[16:22] <hatch> gary_poster: bcsaller did we want to chat about this 'tracking' block?
[16:22] <gary_poster> hatch, oh right
[16:22] <gary_poster> hatch, bcsaller, no, I mean yes. ;-) https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6be4e6d76bd266bd36ec5c5626c7d5a61d0ea88c ?
[16:29] <gary_poster> all solved. I'll write it up. :-)
[16:30] <luca__> gary_poster: rick_h_ hatch bcsaller Makyo I need a name for the mockups that is believable instead of "Environment on demonstration," have you got any other ideas?
[16:30] <gary_poster> Environment on openstack, luca__
[16:30] <gary_poster> luca__, more realistically would be
[16:31] <luca__> gary_poster: but do we have any examples of what people call their production environments?
[16:31] <gary_poster> Environment on HP Cloud or EC2 or LXC, but I don't have the exact strings
[16:31] <hatch> I'd call mine 'The Death Star' then name all my machines after starwars characters
[16:31] <gary_poster> lol
[16:31] <hatch> because I'm a nerd like that
[16:32] <hatch> haha
[16:32] <luca__> hatch: lol
[16:32] <gary_poster> you can't name your machines in The Cloud!
[16:32] <luca__> rookie mistake
[16:32] <hatch> or - wookie mistake....
[16:32] <luca__> haha
[16:33] <Makyo> Nerd cred revoked.  It's spelled Wookiee. :|
[16:33] <gary_poster> lol.  luca__, I'm actually not sure what that string is anymore.  I *think* that it is the same as the environment names we have in environments.yaml.  my names are things like "ec2" or "ec2gud" (gud is the name of my desktop) or "canonistack"
[16:33] <gary_poster> lol
[16:34] <hatch> lol!!
[16:34] <luca__> nerd off!
[16:34] <luca__> or is it, geek off?
[16:34] <Makyo> I've spent all my life preparing for this. :T
[16:34] <luca__> haha
[16:34] <hatch> haha
[16:35] <luca__> ('''\(';…;')/''')
[16:36] <gary_poster> heh
[16:38] <bcsaller>  or sorry I missed that call, I was having coffee
[16:38] <bcsaller> s/or/oh,
[16:39] <gary_poster> luca__, replied to your problem email with comments.  worth a scan when you have time.
[16:40] <luca__> gary_poster: I'll take a look now
[16:40] <gary_poster> thanks
[16:41] <hatch> luca__: that's pretty scary!
[16:42] <luca__> :P
[16:46] <hatch> so far I"m digging this standing desk thing - but adjustable is key. definitely can't do it all day :)
[16:46] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, we'll convince you to get a geekdesk yet :P
[16:47] <luca__> hatch: I don't think your meant to stand all day…isn't it really bad for blood pressure?
[16:48] <hatch> rick_h_: nope going to get one of these https://myupdesk.com/upwrite
[16:48] <gary_poster> yes
[16:48] <hatch> everything we do is bad for us
[16:48] <rick_h_> hatch: wow
[16:49] <gary_poster> yes, it is bad for blood pressure, hatch and luca__ , fwiw.  you should either change position every 20/30 minutes (sitting standing) or walk
[16:49] <hatch> rick_h_: you like?
[16:49] <rick_h_> hatch: you're not worried about getting marker stuff all over everything?
[16:49] <rick_h_> hatch: meh, to each their own
[16:50] <hatch> nope - I write so many temproary notes that it'll be awesome to do it right on the desk then wipe it off
[16:50] <hatch> also a motivation to keep my desk clea n
[16:50] <hatch> haha
[16:50] <hatch> us shipping is $129, into canada...probably $1000
[16:50] <hatch> lol
[16:51] <hatch> that's a lot to spend on a desk though so we'll see what happens
[16:52] <rick_h_> yea, my geekdesk is about half that
[16:52] <rick_h_> but no whiteboard top, though I guess you could whiteboard paint the top of the desk
[16:52] <hatch> I'm guessing you didn't buy it from geekdesk then
[16:52] <gary_poster> bah, type=number doesn't really work yet cross-browser :-/
[16:52] <hatch> because their prices are not much cheaper
[16:53] <rick_h_> hatch: http://www.geekdesk.com/default.asp?contentID=634
[16:53] <hatch> gary_poster: and it falls appart on mobile
[16:53] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yea :(
[16:53] <gary_poster> hatch, :-(
[16:53] <hatch> rick_h_: yeah would be pretty hard for me to balance my keybaord and monitor on those bars :P
[16:53] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, I bought a solid core door from the local hardware store for $50 and screwed it on
[16:53] <hatch> haha that's not a bad idea
[16:54] <rick_h_> hatch: added $50 to the cost and I could cut the door to the size of the desk top I wanted
[16:54] <rick_h_> hatch: ended up with a larger top than the one that came with it and if I destroy it, I don't feel back throwing it away and getting another one
[16:54] <hatch> yeah and the shipping was probably way less
[16:54] <rick_h_> hatch: and as I said, costs about half as much
[16:54] <rick_h_> hatch: yep, saved some $70 on shipping sand top
[16:54] <rick_h_> hatch: overall about $300 cheaper than with the top/shipped
[16:55] <rick_h_> hatch: so as I said, I got mine for about half that :P
[16:55] <hatch> haha yep
[16:55] <hatch> the whiteboard top is so cool though!
[16:55] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, I've got whiteboards. I don't know about notes on the desktop. That's the "to each their own" part
[17:00] <gary_poster> I can imagine the "ugh I have dried whiteboard marker gunk all over my desk...my hands...and my keyboard" to be a downer
[17:06] <hatch> haha maybe
[17:06] <hatch> rick_h_: looks like CI might be a real error
[17:08] <rick_h_> hatch: yea looking. It's a different error this time
[17:15] <hatch> gary_poster: when clicking 'deploy' it can take a few seconds to appear in the canvas at which point it appears that it's locked up....the old inspector used to grey out the 'deploy' button - maybe we should do that and add a spinner or something
[17:16] <gary_poster> hatch +1 on making it gray out now, and sending an email to luca about the spinner.  You up for that, or you want me to make a separate card??
[17:16] <gary_poster> jujugui 1 review request: https://codereview.appspot.com/13583044/
[17:16] <Makyo> gary_poster, on it
[17:17] <gary_poster> Thanks Makyo!
[17:19] <hatch> gary_poster: I'd rather another branch
[17:19] <hatch> want to keep these things small and focused if possible :)
[17:19] <hatch> I can still do it
[17:19] <hatch> but in a followup
[17:37] <rick_h_> hatch: got a sec to go over the CI issue?
[17:38] <hatch> lets do it
[17:39] <gary_poster> hatch +1 on separate
[17:47] <rick_h_> jujugui anyone have chrome 28 installed right now?
[17:48] <Makyo> rick_h_, 29 :/
[17:48] <bcsaller> rick_h_: yeah
[17:48] <gary_poster> I have 29,sorry
[17:48] <rick_h_> bcsaller: can you jump in https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c14546ec56b44c0d1b00303658863100c83b3038?hl=en to help test something?
[17:49] <benji> jujugui: I have a smallish branch up for review (my branch was too big so I broke it up): https://codereview.appspot.com/13627048
[17:50] <gary_poster> benji I will look
[17:50] <benji> thanks
[17:52] <gary_poster> benji LGTM
[17:52] <benji> cool
[17:57] <gary_poster> hatch your branch ready for review or are you commenting?
[17:58] <hatch> ready to go https://codereview.appspot.com/13457052/ I think it's pretty self explanatory
[18:00] <gary_poster> cool, on it
[18:01] <hatch> thanks
[18:10] <gary_poster> hatch items to tweak or discuss.  stepping away, back in a few
[18:22] <rick_h_> hatch: I got to watch the current in progress test run. It's a race condition there. Submitting a one liner to see if that will help keep it from ever happening.
[18:22] <rick_h_> will put getting selenium and maybe sst going locally on the todo list
[18:30] <hatch> rick_h_: saw your fix - curious if you could have picked a better element to click, like the footer or something - isn't the environment-switcher supposed to 'do' something :D
[18:30] <rick_h_> hatch: well, not in dev mode which we test in. Footer is going away soon
[18:30] <rick_h_> hatch: if this runs perfectly open to follow ups, but seemed a good test-target
[18:31] <hatch> yeah I guess if that link doesn't do anything
[18:31]  * hatch grabbing lunch
[18:58] <gary_poster> hey hatch, when you get back let's talk through the branch
[18:58] <benji> I have to go AFK but I have an lbox propose chugging away that will hopefully make its way to rietveld soon.  A review of it while I am away would be very effecient of you.
[18:58] <gary_poster> :-)
[18:59] <gary_poster> k
[19:33] <hatch> gary_poster: back
[19:34] <gary_poster> hey hatch.  was hoping to be farther along when you came back.  ok lemme get your branch here then will call
[19:40] <gary_poster> hatch hey
[19:40] <gary_poster> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3fdaf445e6d2062f47cbba4c6278e6310da88876
[20:09] <gary_poster> hatch, problem is that you can't define multiple background colors :-/
[20:09] <hatch> ohhhh
[20:09] <hatch> well there we go
[20:10] <hatch> ok for the solution we will use little canvas elements which play nyan cat in the background when it's accepted
[20:12] <hatch> gary_poster: we could use the transparent imput background trick
[20:12] <hatch> the old way of putting things 'in' an input
[20:12] <gary_poster> hatch, like the checkbox?
[20:13] <hatch> you absolutely position the input over top of another element and set the inputs background to transparent
[20:13] <hatch> then anything you do to the background element is visible through the input
[20:13] <gary_poster> ah right
[20:15] <hatch> then you could put the checkmark in the back element and fade the background of the input
[20:15] <hatch> hacky and will only work in the constraints
[20:15] <hatch> but doable :)
[20:17] <gary_poster> ack :-) thanks.  not sure if I want to implement, but maybe I'm being a CSS snob :-P
[20:17] <gary_poster> probably more like lazy
[20:17] <hatch> I'd like it if the border of the input pulsed green
[20:18] <hatch> that would be my favourite interaction
[20:18] <gary_poster> hm, that would be doable
[20:18] <gary_poster> could propose to luca
[20:18] <gary_poster> my current fallback is to rip out animations entirely
[20:18] <gary_poster> webkit and chrome working towards images being able to transition actually
[20:22] <hatch> it's something we can work towards
[20:22] <hatch> we can release pretty fast once the inspector lands
[20:22]  * hatch hopes
[20:28] <bac> gary_poster: webops merged the rewrite branch and then replied that the RT had been completed.  i see no difference in behavior.  :(
[20:28] <gary_poster> bac :-(
[20:29] <gary_poster> bac, all I know is to report the problem on #is or #webops and see who you can get to help
[20:29] <gary_poster> I wonder if they need to manually kick apache or something
[20:29] <bac> gary_poster: yep, that's where i'm headed
[20:30] <gary_poster> cool, sorry
[20:30] <gary_poster> and thanks
[20:33] <bac> gary_poster, luca__: where might i find the import/export assets shown in https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B7XG_QBXNwY1Tm9PVWhMZzB4alk/edit ?
[20:33] <bac> longs for juju-gui/graphics or some such
[20:34] <gary_poster> bac, this approximates what you long for
[20:34] <gary_poster> https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/?tab=co#folders/0B7XG_QBXNwY1Qi13X3RqR1dfaFE
[20:34] <gary_poster> though I don't think it has what you need
[20:34] <luca__> bac: hey Brad, what are you implementing that you need them for?
[20:35] <bac> luca__: was beginning to look at the export card
[20:35] <hatch> Makyo: bcsaller I have a d3 q if either of you are around
[20:35] <Makyo> hatch, shoot
[20:36] <hatch>     node.select('.name').html(function(d) {
[20:36] <hatch>                       return d.displayName;
[20:36] <hatch>                     });
[20:36]  * bcsaller reads along
[20:36] <hatch> 'this' is the proper element
[20:36] <hatch> so why does this not set the elements innerHTML
[20:36] <bac> oh, thanks gary_poster.  oscon is one folder i didn't explore
[20:37] <hatch> node is the service elements title
[20:37] <hatch> it doesn't throw any errors, it just doesn't do anything
[20:37] <bac> luca__ (i know you're way past eod) is there a problem with that proceeding?
[20:37] <Makyo> Can you breakpoint in there, hatch?
[20:37] <hatch> yep and d.displayName is (ceph)
[20:37] <bcsaller> yeah, looks like that should work
[20:38] <Makyo> What is .name?
[20:38] <hatch> the title of the service element on the canvas
[20:38] <bcsaller> the first match
[20:38] <Makyo> .text(), not .html()
[20:38] <bcsaller> which if node is correct will be what you expect
[20:39] <benji> gary_poster: thanks for the good review.  I replied to your comments (https://codereview.appspot.com/13368056/).
[20:39] <benji> oh, and I'm back now
[20:39] <bcsaller> Makyo: ahh, right, SVG doesn't support innerHTML
[20:40] <Makyo> Yeah; ran into this with testing a while back.
[20:40] <hatch> thanks Makyo :)
[20:40] <hatch> the API is confusing
[20:40] <hatch> it seems like it should work
[20:40] <Makyo> SVG != HTML, according to w3c, so the internal APIs are different.
[20:40] <hatch> I didn't even think of trying text though
[20:41] <luca__> bac: Nope, just wondering how they were going to be implemented. I haven't got the assets to hand but I can get Jamie or Spencer to create them first thing tomorrow and send them over.
[20:41] <gary_poster> bac, use a placeholder now, I suggest.  Also know that the location of the placeholder may change
[20:41] <gary_poster> (it *will* change long term, but may change sooner)
[20:42] <bac> cool, so i can just slap down a smiley face anywhere and run with it?
[20:43] <luca__> sure, it'll make the GUI more personable hehe
[20:43] <luca__> night all
[20:43] <hatch> DO IT!
[20:43] <hatch> he's gone!
[20:43] <hatch> lol
[20:43] <gary_poster> lol
[20:44] <gary_poster> bac, yes, assuming it is behind feature flag :-)
[20:44] <hatch>  /:flags:/happytime
[20:45] <gary_poster> heh
[20:45] <gary_poster> benji LGTM * 2 with small comment
[20:45]  * benji look
[20:45] <benji> s
[20:46] <benji> gary_poster: what does "It would have been nice to also see
[20:46] <benji> the new tests" mean?
[20:47] <gary_poster> benji, it means that I'm distracted and making less sense than usual, and that it would have been nice to have you highlight which tests were copied and which tests were fresh from your work
[20:47] <gary_poster> in review comments
[20:48] <benji> gary_poster: ah!  yep that makes sense.  I intentionally structured the code changes so that v2 to v3 changes would be apparent, but the copy/paste method of doing the tests precluded that.  Next time I do something like that I'll construct a diff and pastebin it somewhere so that those changes can be seen too.
[20:48] <gary_poster> cool, thanks benji.  anyway, all that said, looks like great work.  thanks.
[20:53] <hatch> I think I'll have a variable in my random id generator called the 'gary-coefficient'
[20:53] <hatch> :P
[20:53] <hatch> lol
[20:53] <hatch> i kid
[20:54] <gary_poster> yah yah yah
[20:58] <gary_poster> small CSS review request: https://codereview.appspot.com/13747043
[20:58] <gary_poster> needs IE 10 qa
[20:58] <gary_poster> jujugui ^^^
[20:58] <benji> gary_poster: looking
[20:58] <gary_poster> thanks benji
[20:59] <gary_poster> benji, ".animation-fill-mode(forwards, forwards);" is legacy from earlier attempt; reverting
[20:59] <benji> ok
[20:59] <benji> gary_poster: do you need QA?
[20:59] <gary_poster> forgot to review my review before announcing :-P
[20:59] <gary_poster> benji yes, on IE10
[21:00] <benji> gary_poster: ooooh...
[21:00] <benji> I'm IE-challenged right now.
[21:00] <gary_poster> benji, I can request elsewhere, but you and I should get back on the IE10 train :-)
[21:00] <Makyo> I'll do it.
[21:00] <gary_poster> thank you Makyo
[21:01]  * benji reluctantly buys a ticket.  The ticket is printed on used napkins from a BBQ restaurant.
[21:01] <Makyo> Need a bzr plugin to branch a repo from a reitveld link.  I am the laziest.
[21:01] <gary_poster> lol
[21:11] <gary_poster> hey hatch, I'm heading out.  you want me to check back in an hour or so for follow-up review?
[21:11] <Makyo> gary_poster, it works.
[21:11] <Makyo> LGTM on IE.
[21:11] <gary_poster> cool, thanks Makyo!
[21:12] <bac> gary_poster: rewrite is rewriting
[21:12] <gary_poster> bac, but?
[21:12] <bac> no butt
[21:12] <bac> it works now
[21:12] <gary_poster> bac, awesome!  just needed apache to be kicked?
[21:12] <bac> dunno what he did
[21:12] <hatch> gary_poster: sure if you have time, if not it can wait until morning
[21:13] <gary_poster> cool hatch, thx
[21:13] <hatch> have a good one
[21:13] <gary_poster> thank you bac!  follow up to jcastro--will improve his day
[21:13] <gary_poster> thanks ttyl!
[21:14] <bac> is jcastro having a bad day or is this just good news to make any day better?
[21:14] <bac> let's see if we can conjure him
[21:14] <hatch> double double toil and trouble
[21:15] <bac> jcastro got me hooked on quenepas and they ended up staining all of my clothes.
[21:15] <bac> quenepas [21:20]  * bac dog walks
[21:56] <hatch> benji: looks like your branch may have broken CI
[23:04] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:07] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[23:28] <gary_poster> hey huwshimi .  hacth, looking at your branch fwiw
[23:37] <gary_poster> hatch LGTM with small suggestion.  Thanks!
[23:40] <hatch> gary_poster: looks good thanks I'll get to that tonight and get it landed
[23:42] <gary_poster> thanks hatch!  I was hoping to have a plan for the ghost inspector with you today.  I have half a plan that makes me sad in a hacky sort of way ;-) and I have an alternate plan that involves wondering if we can release without fixing the bug and I have an alternate alternate plan which involves databinding the ghost inspector to the model.  We'll talk tomorrow, and hopwfully get this out the door, assuming qa goes ok
[23:43] <hatch> haha ok, sounds good to me


[00:03] <BotenAnna> ja al ingen bot
[00:04] <BotenAnna> plus all the necessary accents for that to be correct, ha
[00:04] <BotenAnna> all the sweedish i know :D
[00:04] <nhaines> BotenAnna: hi!
[00:05] <nhaines> nhaines: Jag känner en bott, hon heter Anna, Anna heter hon.
[00:06] <Faqtotum> i was typing phonetically by ear, then looked it up and corrected
[03:01] <locodir-user> anyone close to riverside?
[03:01] <philipballew> locodir-user, inland empire huh?
[03:02] <philipballew> i am in san diego, ans there is a man who runs a ubuntu hour in Pasadena and also one in orange county
[03:02] <philipballew> what are you lookin for?
[03:03] <locodir-user> friends
[03:04] <locodir-user> no too many persons use ubuntu here on riverside
[03:04] <philipballew> I'd send out an email on the email list
[03:04] <philipballew> is there a lug out there?
[03:05] <locodir-user> lug?
[03:05] <philipballew> http://www.rdfoerster.com/LUGIE/
[03:07] <philipballew> locodir-user, is that any help?
[03:11]  * philipballew hopes it is
[03:25] <locodir-user> well, i was looking lugie
[03:26] <locodir-user> philip, i have a problem, why ,when i start ubuntu, and i can see my desktop, there's a black windows, like a terminal???
[03:27] <locodir-user> and i can not close it
[05:53] <philipballew> pleia2, you got a quick second for a ssh question?
[05:53] <bkerensa> philipballew: ssh :)
[05:53] <pleia2> philipballew: sure
[05:53] <philipballew> I want to set up ssh on my schools network here and they have port 4444 open.
[05:54] <philipballew> is it possible to just ssh through that port without any special configuration
[05:54] <pleia2> depends on what "they" is
[05:55] <pleia2> and where you're coming/going to/from
[05:55] <pleia2> where are you setting up ssh, exactly?
[05:55] <philipballew> i will be coming from a server in sacramento and going to my desktop here.
[05:55] <philipballew> so im setting up ssh behind the schools network
[05:56] <pleia2> so you're desktop is on a private IP on the school's network?
[05:56] <philipballew> yes.
[05:56] <philipballew> well my router i use is
[05:57] <pleia2> what address would you ssh to?
[05:57] <philipballew> the address that is my desktop.
[05:57] <philipballew> its...
[05:57] <pleia2> but that's a private address
[05:58] <philipballew> It can be done, Im just not sure if it can be on a already busy port
[05:58] <philipballew> If it can be tunneled through
[05:59] <pleia2> you could set up an ssh tunnel, but that needs to be established on the desktop side going to the server, not vice-versa (since you can't *go* vice-versa)
[05:59] <pleia2> once you have a tunnel, you can use it
[06:00] <pleia2> the only way to find out if it works is to try :)
[06:00] <pleia2> and I recommend making sure this doesn't break the TOS for your school, don't want to get in trouble over this
[06:00] <philipballew> yeah, I might go talk to them tommorow
[06:01] <philipballew> I dont want to either :)
[06:03] <philipballew> thank you pleia2 :)
[06:05] <pleia2> sure, good luck :)
[06:05] <pleia2> there are lots of great ssh tunneling how-tos online once you get to that point
[06:05] <pleia2> the syntax can be a bit funky, but it works well if both sides have a good connection
[06:07] <philipballew> I doubt they will open port 22 for me as that’s kinda insecure. I might see if they will open a port so I can play WOW or something if you know what I mean
[16:37] <BotenAnna> yeah reverse tunneling is a bit ridiculous and tricky but when it works it works
[16:38] <BotenAnna> i had something at work recently where i had to port forward from a computer on the same network as another computer that is connected via a reverse tunnel to my company, then to my desktop
[16:38] <BotenAnna> i got it to work with some help and a healthy dose of black magic, ha
[17:41] <jyo> pleia2: FYI, not coming tonight; probably will see y'all in Mt. View tomorrow though.
[17:42] <pleia2> ok :)
[17:43] <jyo> Just wanted to ping you since you e-mailed about RSVPs. :)
[19:50] <kdub> Darkwing: nhaines, my membership board meeting is tomorrow, if you still are willing to write a testimonial.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KevinDuBois
[19:52] <BotenAnna> "I read a thing that kdub said once in irc, and he seems pretty cool. I nominate him for membership. I signed the code of conduct once, so I know what I'm doing. Anna Peeples 19-10-2011" :)
[19:53] <BotenAnna> if anyone wants that on their testimonials i'll be happy to oblige, as long as you once said something cool in irc :)
[19:54] <Faqtotum> something cool in irc
[19:54] <Faqtotum> ^^^^^^ there ya go
[20:10] <bkerensa> Anyone have a laptop and know there average CPU temp? Via like acpi -V?
[20:13] <pleia2> laptops usually range from 40
[20:13] <pleia2> -50C idle, and up to 75C when busy
[20:14] <pleia2> (that's 40-50 :))
[20:22] <bkerensa> pleia2: If my laptop is running 80 C 24/7 could it cause issues? Its a new laptop and I have a ThermaPak cooling pad
[20:22]  * bkerensa is doing a intense amount og BOINC cycles
[20:22] <pleia2> ah, so it's not idle
[20:22] <pleia2> no, 80C is still ok
[20:23] <pleia2> I wouldn't do boinc on a laptop though, their lifespans tend to be sorter than desktops by nature and keeping them running at high cpu all the time makes me wince a bit :)
[20:34] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah well I mean if it dies in only a year I can just reach out and get a new one.... I dont anticipate to be ever unable to get a free laptop
[20:35] <Faqtotum> clearly, this does not apply to everyone: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_i_have_the_piano_music_notes_for_the_song_Boten_Anna_If_so_can_you_give_it_to_me
[20:37] <BotenAnna> What are the notes for the FUN song on the piano?
[20:37] <BotenAnna> C C D E C A A B C A C C D E G D C C D E D C D A A B C B A G G A E D C Hope this helps!
[20:37] <BotenAnna> this is an informative site~!!!!
[20:38] <Faqtotum> BotenAnna: i was referring to the answer on that page
[20:38] <BotenAnna> ahaha i didnt even notice it until you mentioned it because the design is so horrid
[20:38] <BotenAnna> im sorry
[20:39] <BotenAnna> good at distracting from the content :P
[20:48] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know if it is possible to upgrade 32bit Ubuntu install to 64bit with out a clean install?
[20:49] <pleia2> bkerensa: you have to do a clean install
[20:49] <Faqtotum> you can keep the home directory, though
[20:49] <pleia2> well, data files are fine
[20:52] <bkerensa> pleia2: why do 64bit iso's say amd64? Do they not run on Intel 64bit chips?
[20:52] <pleia2> amd64 is the standard name, they run fine on intel
[20:53] <bkerensa> k
[20:55] <BotenAnna> amd did 64 bit first
[20:55] <BotenAnna> i386, i686, etc. are all based off of intel trademarks and product names
[22:04] <pleia2> wow, our CDs came in!
[22:11] <nhaines> pleia2: \o/
[22:11] <nhaines> I can haz CDs now?
[22:11] <nhaines> 6 day turnaround time isn't bad at all.
[22:11] <pleia2> yep, same as last time, reply to my email to the list with shipping and quanitity details
[22:12] <nhaines> Sounds good to me.
[22:13] <pleia2> btw, I pulled the countdown banner from our site because ubuntu.com fails at countdown banners no matter how much I nag them
[22:17] <nhaines> Aww.
[22:17] <nhaines> I never updated my site with the new one.  I should probably just pull the banner for another cycle.
[22:19] <pleia2> I just had the static link to banner1.png or whatever which they always use
[22:19] <pleia2> but since it's gone 8 days, 3 days, 2 days, coming soon and now back to 8 days...
[22:20] <pleia2> sladen had be submit a bug report which covers the saga https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+bug/869602 (and this is after the nagging to actually get a contest going at all)
[23:59] <Darkwing> nhaines: ping


 As a Service it may be but if we take easy of use in mind Dropbox its much more complete  from the web based enviroment to the Dropbox indicatator from where you can control the Dropbox service almost perfect .  For ubuntu one you have to manually install an indicator  that gives only the very basic of what ubuntu one is doin in the background .  So is there any thoug
[17:02] <zzecool>  hts for the future  about this ?
[17:02] <zzecool> that was the question
[17:03] <kim0> mm well I dont really use dropbox, so not sure what advanced featured you want that are not found in ubuntuone
[17:04] <kim0> I'm probably not the best person to answer that though
[17:04] <zzecool> oh  ok
[17:05] <kim0> zzecool: if you're on twitter
[17:05] <zzecool> yes ?
[17:05] <kim0> you can try shooting some tweets at https://twitter.com/#!/UbuntuOne
[17:05] <zzecool> :D thank you
[17:05] <kim0> also check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne
[17:05] <kim0> other support options ..etc
[17:05] <zzecool> ok thank you very much
[17:06] <zzecool> as for my 2nd question
[17:06] <kim0> zzecool: thanks for your interest in making ubuntuone the best service on the planet :)
[17:06] <zzecool> lat me paste it
[17:06] <zzecool> haha
[17:06] <zzecool> :D
[17:06] <zzecool> a general question
[17:06] <zzecool> QUESTION: This is a bit irrelevant  to the "cloud" but this ubuntu classroom must move to somthing like video streaming - podcast with chat support  , so that the "Teacher" can easily  answer many questions that typing and typing ....   Maybe providing some real time examples as well this IRC thing its good out of nothing but its so 1990 .
[17:06] <zzecool> than typing *
[17:06] <kim0> ah hehe
[17:07] <kim0> well I understand your point
[17:07] <kim0> Many ubuntu enthusiasts and hardcore open source members however find anything but irc distracting
[17:08] <kim0> I'll try to have a discussion about such a change in the future
[17:08]  * kim0 nods
[17:09] <zzecool> kim0, all those are using something else than ubuntu then
[17:09] <zzecool> ubuntu = easy of use
[17:09] <kim0> hehe :)
[17:09] <zzecool> i think you are speaking to the guys  havin a moto of "im switching to arch"
[17:09] <zzecool> as they pretent to be more elite - geeks than average ubuntu user
[17:09] <kim0> I thought gentoo was the ninja distro ;)
[17:10] <zzecool> i dont think that you expect an avarage pc user to hang out in irc to ask and learn form questions
[17:10] <kim0> zzecool: I'll be afk for a few minutes .. feel free to leave me messages if you need anything else
[17:11] <zzecool> most of them dont even know how to connect
[17:11] <kim0> zzecool: bring up that discussion at #ubuntu-community-team
[17:11] <zzecool> ill try but you are in a much better position than me
[17:11] <zzecool> :D
[17:11] <zzecool> please do it too
[17:12] <zzecool> im a just an ubuntu lover since day 1
[17:12] <zzecool> :D
[17:12] <zzecool> though i hate the brown color back then
[17:12] <zzecool> lol
[17:12] <zzecool> take care
[17:12] <zzecool> and thank you for your time
[19:09] <chetan-> running 10.04 on ec2. I ran a dist-upgrade on a box on friday and rebooted it and it didn't come back up. nothing useful in the console logs. it magically came back this morning, more than 48hrs later. anyone seen something like this or any clue why this might have happened?
[20:19] <smoser> chetan-, i'm not sure what could hav edone that.
[20:19] <smoser> your dmesg is useless
[20:19] <smoser> get-console-output would be more useful potentially
[20:28] <chetan-> smoser: nothing on the console looks useful either. lemme pull it up now
[20:29] <chetan-> yeah, it's pretty much just the same dmesg output after the 'restarting system' message
[20:31] <chetan-> support has no clue either, heh. when I opened a ticket when it originally got stuck they guessed it was probably a bad kernel/glibc/etc due to the dist-upgrade
[20:34] <chetan-> there's nothing in ubuntu that would make it automatically reboot/rollback after an issue, is there?
[20:49] <smoser> chetan-, no.
[20:57] <chetan-> heh, didn't think so.
[20:58] <chetan-> my best guess is that when I sent a reboot command via AWS console on friday, it got stuck in a queue somewhere and finally went through today. seems unlikely though..