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[07:02] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:18] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[08:01] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:26] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:26] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[08:27] <duflu> seb128, strangely very tired. You?
[08:27]  * duflu goes to make a dangerous /afternoon coffee/
[08:27] <seb128> tired as well, but it's not so strange for me, I've been waken up at 6am every day since saturday
[08:28] <duflu> Fun times
[08:30] <seb128> indeed
[08:37] <Nafallo> o/
[08:38] <Nafallo> seb128: are you that worried about the release? ;-0
[08:39] <seb128> nah, that part is what makes me not sleep before 11pm :p
[08:40] <seb128> duflu, on that libav issue, yeah he's missing libsodium18 but that's a depends of gstreamer1.0-libav so that shouldn't be possible so either it's a missing file on disk or he's using a version from a ppa or something
[08:40] <Nafallo> ...and then fixing things in your dreams, which is why you wake up early to implement them while they're fresh ;-)
[08:40] <Nafallo> know the feeling
[08:42] <seb128> I wish
[08:42] <seb128> I'm just being kicked out of bed by a little one who doesn't want to sleep after 6am
[08:43] <Nafallo> ah :-)
[08:46] <duflu> seb128, are you sure? I checked this morning and didn't see the dependency
[08:47] <Nafallo> apt show gstreamer1.0-libav|grep -c sodium comes up with 0
[08:47] <Nafallo> here too
[08:48]  * Nafallo digs
[08:49] <duflu> seb128, it sounds like the dependency on libsodium18 comes from libzmq5, which comes from...?
[08:49] <duflu> ffmpeg
[08:50] <seb128> duflu, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.xenial/rdepends/libsodium/libsodium18
[08:51] <Nafallo> ah. I was looking at bionic. sorry :-)
[08:53] <seb128> Nafallo, sorry, it's bug #1751769
[08:53] <ubot5`> bug 1751769 in gst-libav1.0 (Ubuntu) "Some libraries that the gst-libav package relies on are missing." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751769
[08:53] <seb128> duflu, right, he had a screwed libsodium from a ppa
[08:53] <seb128> "libsodium18:amd64 1.0.16-0ppa1~xenial1
[08:53] <seb128> > debsums libsodium18
[08:53] <seb128> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsodium.so.23.1.0 OK"
[08:53] <duflu> seb128, yeah I just wrote that
[08:54] <seb128> duflu, now it makes sense :)
[08:55] <duflu> seb128, great, but also not. Next time I will remember to check for PPAs earlier
[08:55] <darkxst> hey desktopers
[08:56] <duflu> Hi darkxst, Nafallo, and all I missed
[08:56] <Nafallo> hi duflu :-)
[08:57] <darkxst> hi duflu
[08:58] <seb128> duflu, yeah, it's difficult, bugs due to the use of non official debs is not where most problems are so not where we tend to start
[08:58] <willcooke> hi gang
[08:58] <duflu> Hi willcooke
[08:59] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you?
[09:00] <darkxst> Ive been through the old patches in gnome-session, see bug 1752024
[09:00] <ubot5`> bug 1752024 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "patch review of gnome-session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752024
[09:00] <willcooke> seb128, 9am meeting, so... ;)
[09:01] <seb128> willcooke, "fun"
[09:01] <Laney> meow
[09:01] <Nafallo> morning Laney :-)
[09:02] <Nafallo> right. shower and getting ready for the -14° and 9m/s wind trip to office lunch meeting :-P
[09:02] <Nafallo> bbl
[09:05] <willcooke> have fun Nafallo
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:09] <Laney> hey Nafallo seb128
[09:09] <Laney> seb128: good, some snow came overnight so I'm excited
[09:10] <Laney> maybe like 3cm!!!
[09:10] <Laney> what about you?
[09:11] <seb128> nice, here it's dry and frozen
[09:11] <seb128> I'm good, though a bit cold and tired
[09:11] <seb128> looking forward Budapest to be able to sleep until 7am :
[09:11] <seb128> :p
[09:15] <Laney> heh
[09:15] <Laney> the luxury
[09:16] <seb128> indeed!
[09:19] <duflu> Umm, the temperatures dropped to 24 the past two days. That was good
[09:20]  * darkxst is waiting for the frozen again, its been a warm summer!
[09:24] <Laney> you poor things
[09:38] <Laney> seb128: oh you asked me about ubiquity and changelogs - I think people usually add one in the same commit yes
[09:39] <Laney> missed that your change wasn't uploaded already
[09:39] <seb128> k, I know if for next time, thanks
[09:42] <Laney> Didier didn't write one either but I knew about this change so did it for him
[09:43] <seb128> makes sense
[10:25] <jamesh> hmm.  So it looks like xdg-desktop-portal's OpenFile API can be used to request opening a file the sandboxed app can't read
[10:29] <willcooke> jamesh, So you can do file browsing to bits of the disk you shouldn't be allowed to?  Does it actually open the file?
[10:30] <jamesh> willcooke: it prompts the user for permission first, so there is another layer of defence
[10:30] <jamesh> willcooke: but I'd assumed it was taking a file descriptor as a form of proof of access
[10:31] <jamesh> however it uses an O_PATH file descriptor, and it is possible to create an O_PATH fd for unreadable files
[10:31] <ahayzen> Isn't the OpenFile API the one that the GtkFileChooserNative is using?
[10:32] <jamesh> ahayzen: I'm talking about the one from the OpenURI portal.  I'd forgotten there is a second OpenFile method
[10:33] <ahayzen> ah, but i thought the whole point of the portals was to give you access to things at runtime
[10:33] <ahayzen> eg like content-hub in ubuntu touch :-)
[10:34] <jamesh> ahayzen: right.  a sandboxed app can't usually look up or execute the application associated with a particular file type, so needs the portal
[10:35] <jamesh> ahayzen: but you'd usually only want to let the app run the "open file" action on files it can actually read
[10:39] <ahayzen> Ah yes i see what you mean now there are two OpenFile's, one from the FileChooser portal and one OpenURI portal
[10:59] <willcooke> jamesh, so does this break the greater portals plan - or we need to make changes upstream?
[11:00] <jamesh> willcooke: I've filed an upstream bug.  I'm not sure whether it is intentional or not
[11:00] <willcooke> jamesh, cool thanks
[11:00] <jamesh> https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/167
[11:03] <willcooke> seb128, Laney  - when we seed, e.g. Mines as a snap - will the minimal installer need to be updated to know that it's a snap not a deb?
[11:03] <seb128> willcooke, yes
[11:04] <willcooke> seb128, is that easy enough?
[11:05] <seb128> willcooke, it shouldn't be too difficult hopefully, we talked a bit about it with didrocks before his holidays
[11:06] <Laney> to remove the snap?
[11:06] <willcooke> yah
[11:06] <Laney> pretty sure that won't work
[11:07] <Laney> ubiquity change probs
[11:07] <seb128> we need an extra piece of code to deal with those yes
[11:07] <seb128> workaround is to not seed any snap that should be remove in minimal...
[11:08] <willcooke> unfortunately, most of our planned snaps are exactly the sort of thing which would get removed in minimal :)
[11:08] <willcooke> but yeah, with a bit of jigging about we can probably make that work
[11:08] <seb128> I'm not too concerned about it
[11:08] <willcooke> lets see if we can get it to work first, but always good to have a plan b
[11:08]  * willcooke puts his poking stick away
[11:55] <jibel> Laney, where is the list of packages removed  when I select a minimal installation?
[11:58] <Laney> hey jibel
[11:58] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.bionic/desktop.minimal-remove
[11:59] <jibel> Laney, thanks
[14:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-02-27
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 27 14:30:09 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:30] <jbicha> gunno/
[14:30] <jbicha> o/
[14:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks (hols), duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:30] <andyrock> o/
[14:30] <seb128> doh, already mid-afternoon :/
[14:30] <jibel> \o
[14:31] <kenvandine> o/
[14:31] <Laney> woof
[14:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:31] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah, time flies
[14:32] <willcooke> I think we've got enough people to get started
[14:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[14:33] <andyrock> 1. Reviews:
[14:33] <andyrock>    1.1 https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/compiz/static-compregion-memory-curruption-fix/+merge/338342
[14:33] <andyrock>    1.2 https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/compiz/x-sru6/+merge/338345
[14:33] <andyrock> 2. Ubuntu SSO provider for Gnome-online-accounts:
[14:33] <andyrock>    2.1 MP Upstream: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793755#c2
[14:33] <andyrock>    2.2 WIP livepatch auth inside gnome-online-accounts
[14:33] <andyrock> X. Various:
[14:33] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 793755 in general "Implement an Ubuntu Single Sign-on Provider" [Normal,New]
[14:33] <andyrock>    X.1 Helping Marco figuring out the unity's FTBS
[14:33] <andyrock> eow
[14:33] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[14:33] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[14:33] <dgadomski> hey
[14:33] <dgadomski> * testing fix for bug #1743422
[14:33] <dgadomski> * working on bug #1749289
[14:33] <dgadomski> * tested fix for bug #1688508 on Xenial and Artful, uploaded debdiffs
[14:33] <dgadomski> * checking a potential hwdata and g-s-d issue (wrong name displayed for an external display)
[14:33] <ubot5`> bug 1743422 in unity (Ubuntu) "The launcher reveal doesn't always work when moving the pointer to the defined hot spot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743422
[14:33] <ubot5`> bug 1749289 in oem-config (Ubuntu) "Installer stops after pressing Cancel on Select a language screen during OEM install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749289
[14:33] <ubot5`> bug 1688508 in libvirt (Ubuntu Artful) "libvirt-guests.sh fails to shutdown guests in parallel" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1688508
[14:33] <dgadomski> eof
[14:33] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[14:34] <willcooke> #topic duflu
[14:34] <willcooke> * Gnome Shell performance work (https://trello.com/c/Q6JYXPPs)
[14:34] <willcooke>   - Started splitting up my many little mutter fixes to lessen the impact of the big one coming later:
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/25
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/26
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/29
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/30
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/34
[14:34] <willcooke>   - Multi-monitor frame scheduling:
[14:34] <willcooke>     . Done and working well for the single GPU case: https://git.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mutter/log/?h=crtc-holds-reference
[14:34] <willcooke>     . Unfortunately I was forced to modify the hybrid GPU code and have not tested that yet with hybrid hardware. Might need to put it on hold and finish it later because this has become more of a Gnome 3.30 / Ubuntu 18.10 task now...
[14:34] <willcooke>     . I will continue to push little prereq branches like those above, to ensure the task eventually progresses next cycle for 18.10.
[14:34] <willcooke> * Synaptics missing in Gnome Settings (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733032)
[14:34] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1733032 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Touchpad settings don't work after upgrading to 17.10 (because xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is still installed)" [Medium,In progress]
[14:34] <willcooke>   - Added synaptics settings support to mutter: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/37
[14:34] <willcooke>   - The only missing piece after that is to remove the small amount of logic from gnome-control-center that explicitly hides the GUI for synaptics (yes, it goes out of its way to hide them).
[14:34] <willcooke> * BlueZ 5.48 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1747354)
[14:34] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1747354 in bluez (Ubuntu) "Update bluez to version 5.48 in bionic" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
[14:34] <willcooke>   - Finally released to bionic this week: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/5.48-0ubuntu3
[14:34] <willcooke> * Libinput:
[14:34] <willcooke>   - News: 1.10 released to bionic this week. We are back on pure Debian packages.
[14:34] <willcooke>   - More time spent discussing and fixing libinput with upstream:
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105108
[14:34] <ubot5`> Freedesktop bug 105108 in libinput "Lenovo Yoga 11S touchpad is jittery" [Normal,New]
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103970
[14:34] <ubot5`> Freedesktop bug 103970 in libinput "Apple Magic Trackpad sensitivity too low (does not detect touches unless pressing hard)" [Major,Resolved: duplicate]
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103572
[14:34] <ubot5`> Freedesktop bug 103572 in libinput "Libinput: 1.9+: Apple Magic Trackpad stutters, is unresponsive" [Normal,Assigned]
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105246
[14:34] <ubot5`> Freedesktop bug 105246 in libinput "libinput command can't find its subcommand --parameters" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[14:34] <willcooke>     . https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105264
[14:34] <ubot5`> Freedesktop bug 105264 in libinput "libinput-measure-touch-size prints sizes backwards" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[14:34] <willcooke> * Fun with charts: More progress clearing the bug backlog this week:
[14:34] <willcooke>   - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive
[14:35] <willcooke> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, mir, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.
[14:35] <willcooke> #topic jbicha
[14:35] <jbicha> • Lots more GNOME 3.27 fun
[14:35] <jbicha> • Prepared gnome-shell & mutter 3.27 transition in GNOME3 Staging PPA LP: #1751070
[14:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1751070 in budgie-desktop (Ubuntu) "mutter 3.28 transition" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751070
[14:35] <jbicha> • Sponsored the NM autopkgtest update for gQuigs
[14:35] <jbicha> • Fixed aisleriot taking forever to build
[14:35] <jbicha> • Cherry-picked gnome-clocks crash fix for bionic LP: #1749937 (waiting for Debian sync)
[14:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1749937 in gnome-clocks (Ubuntu) "gnome-clocks crashed with SIGSEGV in gweather_location_format_two_serialize()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749937
[14:35] <jbicha> • Fixed LP: #1617535 for bionic, still needs to be SRU'd
[14:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1617535 in ubuntu-geoip (Ubuntu Artful) "geoip.ubuntu.com does not utilize HTTPS" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1617535
[14:35] <jbicha> • Synced gnome-keyring with Debian except for our systemd user service stuff
[14:35] <jbicha> • Fixed libgweather translations after conversion to meson with GunnarHj's help LP: #1751261
[14:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1751261 in gettext (Ubuntu) "libgweather-locations.pot generation fails with bionic meson" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751261
[14:35] <jbicha> • Made progress on pipewire packaging with fsateler's help. Now blocked on https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire/issues/60
[14:35] <jbicha> • Allowed telepathy to be dropped from main
[14:35] <jbicha> • fonts-ubuntu is now in (Debian) non-free. The RFP/ITP bug was 2663 days old. LP: #1617535
[14:36] <jbicha> 🥌
[14:36] <willcooke> thanks jbicha!
[14:36] <willcooke> #topic jamesh
[14:36] <willcooke> themes for snapped desktop apps:
[14:36] <willcooke> * wrote up a snapcraft forum post about making themes available to
[14:36] <willcooke> snaps via the content interface:
[14:36] <willcooke> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/supporting-desktop-themes-via-the-content-interface/4122
[14:36] <willcooke> * started work on the simple snapcraft change (allow cloud parts to
[14:36] <willcooke> introduce plugs/slots) mentioned in the post, but postponed that to
[14:36] <willcooke> work on the xdg-open feature
[14:36] <willcooke> snapd xdg-open extension:
[14:36] <willcooke> * The overall aim here is to allow snaps to use
[14:36] <willcooke> g_app_info_launch_default_for_uri() for local files, while we're still
[14:36] <willcooke> working on full portal support.
[14:36] <willcooke> * The first step was to check whether I could assemble an environment
[14:36] <willcooke> in a snap where attempts to open arbitrary files would trigger the
[14:36] <willcooke> same handler.  I managed to get this working by compiling a stub mime
[14:37] <willcooke> database so that all files are mapped to the same content type, and
[14:37] <willcooke> subsequently trigger the same handler.  This should be okay for the
[14:37] <willcooke> target snap.
[14:37] <willcooke> * I am putting together a snap userd PR to add a second D-Bus API for
[14:37] <willcooke> handling local files, using similar checks to xdg-desktop-portal's
[14:37] <willcooke> OpenURI.OpenFile() method.
[14:37] <willcooke> * Once that is in place, the next step is to patch the core snap to
[14:37] <willcooke> make its xdg-open proxy call this method when attempting to open local
[14:37] <willcooke> files.  This will likely involve replacing the shell script
[14:37] <willcooke> implementation with a C program.
[14:37] <willcooke> #topic jibel / heber
[14:37] <jibel> - 16.04.4 Release. Nothing to report, everything's going well and release is still planned for this Thursday (March 1st)
[14:37] <jibel> - Designed a test plan to measure the impact of snaps on boot speed and started gathering data.
[14:37] <jibel> - Still debugging random boot and installation issues of Bionic.
[14:37] <jibel> - Update ubiquity autopilot branch according to latest changes in minimal installation feature and run tests against latest image.
[14:37] <jibel> done
[14:37] <willcooke> thanks jibel
[14:37] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[14:38]  * kenvandine waves
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Packaged robert_ancell's proof of concept snapper (Snap store frontend with apt support) as a snap
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Continued work on the gnome-software classic snap
[14:38] <kenvandine>   - Built latest ubuntu-master
[14:38] <kenvandine>   - Working on building with fwupd support, in progress
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Fixed the gnome-clocks snap automated build, libgweather switched to meson
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Created stable/ubuntu-18.04 branches for all the seeded snaps
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Confirmed with sil2100 that it should be fine to SRU flatpak 0.12 when it comes out
[14:38] <kenvandine> EOF
[14:38] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
[14:38] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[14:39] <Laney> hi
[14:39] <Laney> • helped to finish off the ubiquity 'minimal install' stuff
[14:39] <Laney> • looked into how to monitor timezone changes for our proposed improvement to systemd timers, got a possibly working approach, need to figure out how to hook it in - https://gist.github.com/iainlane/fc840fc81018c7ed5af5a6cbbe8968a4
[14:40] <Laney> • pushed on some transitions in proposed, got some things migrated and tried to nag about mesa which is the remaining big blocker
[14:40] <Laney> • uploaded glib2.0 with test fix and gobject-introspection to debian, merged glib in bionic
[14:40] <Laney> • unwedged autopkgtest after meltdown restarts borked it a bit
[14:40] <Laney> 🍜
[14:40] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[14:40] <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN
[14:40] <oSoMoN> hey
[14:40] <oSoMoN> • chromium
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ 64.0.3282.167 published to {artful,xenial,trusty}-{security,updates}
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated beta to 65.0.3325.88
[14:40] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ promoted 6.0.1 snap to the stable channel
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ published 6.0.2 (RC) snap to the candidate channel, and issued call for testing (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-6-0-2/4185)
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ investigated bug #1750335, initially skipped the failing test and then Rico fixed it properly
[14:40] <ubot5`> bug 1750335 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LO 6.0 autopkgtest failures (uicheck: test_text_direction)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1750335
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ relaxed java dependency on i386
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ backports for CVE-2018-6871 published to xenial and trusty
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ filed bug #1750982 and upstream https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115931, cherry-picked upstream fix
[14:40] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 115931 in LibreOffice "ScFiltersTest::testOrcusODSStyleInterface fails with liborcus 0.13.3" [Normal,Resolved: moved]
[14:40] <ubot5`> bug 1750982 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "libreoffice FTBFS with liborcus 0.13.3" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1750982
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ ensured apparmor fixes are cherry-picked to 6-0 branch upstream (https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/50207/1)
[14:40] <oSoMoN>   ∘ numerous bug reports (bug #1751005, bug #1750087 and duplicates) raised after the artful SRU confirmed that I screwed up, the upload had a patch to fix the apparmor profiles and that resulted in them being strictly enforced, which breaks a flurry of use cases it turns out… I prepared and tested an update to permanently disable the apparmor profiles (with guidance from Jamie), and handed it over to the security
[14:40] <ubot5`> bug 1751005 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "libreoffice cannot open a document not within $HOME" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751005
[14:40] <ubot5`> bug 1750087 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[libreoffice-kde4] LO crashes when trying to save" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1750087
[14:41] <oSoMoN>  team, I'm hoping it will go out to users today
[14:41] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated debdiff for bug #1749920, added DEP8 tests that run a subset of the unit tests, it got sponsored to bionic and will (hopefully) soon make its way to main
[14:41] <ubot5`> bug 1749920 in libepubgen (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libepubgen" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749920
[14:41] <oSoMoN> 😵
[14:41] <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN
[14:41] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[14:41] <seb128> • sponsored the bluez regression fix from duflu, that let 5.48 migrate to bionic - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/5.48-0ubuntu3
[14:41] <seb128> • send some emails about our MIRs backlog and what can be done to resolve it
[14:41] <seb128> • looked at translations issues and at some fixes proposed by Gunnar (gtk+, gnome-todo, fcitx, gnome-sudoku)
[14:41] <seb128> • Discussions/meetings about the livepatch integration in bionic
[14:41] <seb128> • disabled the gtk/mir backend, it's unmaintained and not needed since mir talks wayland now - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/3.22.28-1ubuntu3
[14:41] <seb128> • verify the python-dbusmock fix for nm1.10 - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-dbusmock/0.17.1-1
[14:41] <seb128> • updated udisks to the current 2.7.6 version - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks2/2.7.6-1ubuntu1
[14:42] <seb128> • looked at some autopkgtest issue from bionic-proposed (retried some transitions issues, debugged meson failing a bit and talked to upstream about it)
[14:42] <seb128> • opened a MIR for bolt (thunderbolt 3 service) - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1752056
[14:42] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1752056 in Ubuntu "[MIR] bolt" [Undecided,New]
[14:42] <seb128> • updated nautilus to the current version - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/1:3.26.2-0ubuntu1
[14:42] <seb128> • joined an HR presentation for new managers
[14:42] <seb128> • submitted a first version of ubiquity-without-ecryptfs, waiting for review comments
[14:42] <seb128> • lot of trello/work status updates
[14:42] <seb128> • AOB topics: GNOME 3.28 status, nautilus-share/gnome-user-share status for bionic, gstreamer update?

[14:42] <seb128> (I've been less lazy about writting my summary also this week, extra details and urls :p)
[14:42] <seb128> (needs to keep it this way now!)
[14:42] <willcooke> \o/
[14:42] <willcooke> Thanks seb128, lets discuss more at the end
[14:42] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[14:42] <seb128> thx
[14:42] <jbicha> you're not a new manager! ;)
[14:43] <seb128> lol, but seems some people noticed I was one and decided to invite me to those hangouts :p
[14:43] <willcooke> let's give tkamppeter a couple of mins and move on
[14:44] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Working out license conflict with CUPS. CUPS has switched to Apache 2.0 from 2.3.x on, which is incompatible with (L)GPL2-only which some files (the ones inherited from CUPS) of cups-filters use. Mike Sweet (author of CUPS) agreed with switching them to Apache 2.0, but this makes cups-filters incompatible with old CUPS (2.2.x or earlier). Mike is working on a solution on the CUPS side to avoid the need of r
[14:44] <tkamppeter> e-licensing the files in cups-filters.
[14:44] <tkamppeter> - cups: For 18.04 we stay with 2.2.x to avoid license conflicts. Mike Sweet will issue another 2.2.x bug fix release under the old license, backporting bug fixes from 2.3.x.
[14:44] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.20.1 (bug fix release). It is already uploaded to Debian, waiting for sync to Ubuntu.
[14:44] <tkamppeter> - HPLIP: No transition 3.17.10 -> 3.17.11. The new version is too buggy, mainly the packaging of the source tarball.
[14:44] <tkamppeter> - ghostscript, foo2zjs, ippusbxd, rastertosag-gdi: Merged/synced from Debian to Ubuntu to be up-to-date before Feature Freeze.
[14:44] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Selected the most urgent projects and assigned them to the few mentors we currently have. Another video interview of students. Mentoring Sahil Arora.
[14:44] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[14:44] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[14:44] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[14:45] <Trevinho> · Nautilus recent files search provider, and recent files updater:
[14:45] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/98
[14:45] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/112
[14:45] <Trevinho>    (released in ubuntu package too, seb please tune our gtksettings.ini)
[14:45] <Trevinho> · Working on a search provider using locate
[14:45] <Trevinho> · Upstream improvements to locate to get better results when using
[14:45] <Trevinho>   special chars and spaces (locate "my-file_with Separator and accents
[14:45] <Trevinho>   à la française" matches more stuff now):
[14:45] <Trevinho>   - https://pagure.io/mlocate/pull-request/41#request_diff
[14:45] <Trevinho>   - https://pagure.io/mlocate/pull-request/42#request_diff
[14:45] <Trevinho> · Landing of a new unity SRU with some crash fixes
[14:45] <Trevinho> · Fixed a compiz memory corruption issue due to linking (thanks to andyrock too):
[14:45] <seb128> Trevinho, oh right, gtk, thanks for the reminder :)
[14:45] <Trevinho> floding again
[14:45] <Trevinho> what's the last line you got?
[14:45] <willcooke> Trevinho, compiz mem corrupiton
[14:46] <Trevinho> · Updates to the Remmina and telegram snaps:
[14:46] <Trevinho>   - https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/commits/next/snap/snapcraft.yaml
[14:46] <Trevinho>   - https://github.com/3v1n0/telegram-snap/commits/master
[14:46] <Trevinho> · Got approved as GNOME Foundation member (\o/)
[14:46] <Trevinho> -----
[14:46] <willcooke> congrats Trevinho :)
[14:46] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[14:46] <willcooke> - snapd-glib 1.35/1.36/1.37 released https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/releases/
[14:46] <willcooke> - worked on migrating from reviews.ubuntu.com to ODRS
[14:46] <willcooke> - Discussed with GNOME sysadmins about usage of ubuntu group in gitlab.gnome.org
[14:46] <willcooke> - GNOME Software bug hunting
[14:46] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:46] <willcooke> seb128, you want to talk about GNOME 3.28 etc
[14:47] <seb128> yeah, if needed
[14:47] <jbicha> when is didrocks expected back? I need his help for the volume-past-100% merging
[14:47] <seb128> thursday
[14:47] <seb128> that's blocking the gnome-shell update?
[14:48] <Trevinho> Ah, maybe we can talk about distro-patch for fractional too?
[14:48] <seb128> I think we are going to need ffes for gnome-shell and gnome-control-center
[14:48] <jbicha> we'll have temporary regressions in gnome-shell & gnome-control-center until didrocks has time to handle that
[14:48] <seb128> jbicha, do you see other ones being late/not ready to land this week?
[14:48] <seb128> well, which means we are not going to land those updates
[14:49] <seb128> it's fine, we can land them next week, should be easy to get a ffe still
[14:49] <jbicha> I hadn't started the evolution transition because I was hoping gnome-desktop3 would clear first
[14:49] <Trevinho> Ah, forgot also to mention in my report that I did a debdiff for fixing
[14:49] <Trevinho> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fprintd/+bug/1532264
[14:49] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1532264 in fprintd (Ubuntu) "fprintd allows unauthorized root access" [High,Confirmed]
[14:49] <Trevinho> if anyone can sponsor it...
[14:50] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm adding to my backlog, security might want to comment as well
[14:50] <jbicha> there is a minimal gnome-settings-daemon transition needed too. I found a gsd bug yesterday LP: #1751956
[14:50] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1751956 in Ubuntu GNOME "gsd-power 3.27.91 crashed with SIGFPE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751956
[14:50] <Trevinho> indeed
[14:51] <seb128> jbicha, ideally we would be able to clear the gnome-desktop one in the next days and upload evo before ff
[14:51] <seb128> I don't count on gnome-shell and g-c-c before ff
[14:51] <seb128> it's not realistic
[14:51] <seb128> so let's do a ffe for those next week
[14:51] <jbicha> ok
[14:51] <seb128> it lets time to Didier to be back and help with the update
[14:51] <seb128> and talk about Trevinho's scaling work we might want to distro patch
[14:51] <jbicha> gnome-calendar 3.27 is blocked on the libdazzle MIR, do you want that synced now anyway or wait?
[14:51] <seb128> please upload
[14:52] <seb128> doko said he wanted them to show on component mismatch
[14:52] <seb128> so let's please him :)
[14:52] <seb128> and that way it's "in" before ff
[14:52] <jbicha> Builder might stay at 3.26 (or be a late FF) because the pcre2-revert patch needs to be rebased
[14:53] <jbicha> that should be about it for GNOME 3.28 missing pieces
[14:53] <seb128> we can ffe that later, it's an universe package
[14:53] <seb128> k, thanks
[14:53] <seb128> so next topic .. or not
[14:53] <Laney> those patches are the worst
[14:53] <seb128> dunno if we wanted to discuss gstreamer 1.3
[14:53] <jbicha> Laney: what are you thinking with gstreamer 1.4?
[14:53] <seb128> it's in Debian experimental now
[14:53] <Laney> what's the mp3 situation
[14:53] <Laney> ?
[14:53] <jbicha> 1.14
[14:53] <seb128> willcooke, ^ do you have an update?
[14:54] <willcooke> Laney, got the provisional +1 this morning, waiting for a final +1 which is due today.  Probably wise to wait until tomorrow before we act
[14:55] <Laney> could do then
[14:55] <seb128> good, let's rediscuss it out of the meeting/before acting if needed
[14:56] <willcooke> nod
[14:56] <seb128> the third item I had on my AOB list was nautilus-share/gnome-user-share
[14:56] <jbicha> that's complicated
[14:56] <seb128> I didn't have much time to look at the status/think about those
[14:56] <seb128> but it sucks to have no working sharing by default
[14:56] <jbicha> apparently Ubuntu is unique among GNOME distros for shipping nautilus-share by default?
[14:56] <seb128> could be, I'm not familiar with what others distros do
[14:57] <jbicha> MIR needed for gnome-user-share to actually work is blocked by security questions LP: #1731065
[14:57] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1731065 in mod-dnssd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] mod-dnssd" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1731065
[14:58] <jbicha> mdeslaur also suggested that better "cloud" sharing integration (ala Google Drive or whatever) would be more useful :|
[14:58] <seb128> no easy way out
[14:58] <seb128> I'm not sure we are being able to resolve that in the meeting though
[14:58] <willcooke> yeah, I agree
[14:59] <seb128> we should probably keep it as an ongoing discussion, I would like to see that solved in some way
[14:59] <seb128> but busy cycle, still lot to do, etc :/
[14:59] <jbicha> at this point, the gnome-user-share MIR would probably need a FFe
[14:59] <seb128> right, I think anything that isn't clearly defined and ready to land is ffe at this point
[15:00] <seb128> k
[15:00] <seb128> willcooke, I think that was for my items
[15:00] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:00] <seb128> dunno if others have some as well
[15:00] <Laney> yep
[15:00] <Laney> we forgot to review rls-bb-incoming this cycle
[15:01] <Laney> that should be an item on the meeting topic after the round every week I think
[15:01] <willcooke> ouch, good point
[15:01] <Laney> s/topic/agenda/
[15:01] <seb128> yeah
[15:01] <willcooke> Laney, good call
[15:02] <seb128> what do we do then for today?
[15:03] <seb128> have a round? do a first review out of the meeting to clear the list first and then start next time?
[15:03] <Laney> do it now or do it next week in person?
[15:03] <willcooke> I was going to say, lets do it in person next week, we should be able to get through them quicker
[15:03] <seb128> I would vote for next week, but if people would prefer now I'm not going to opposite it
[15:03] <seb128> also people are really busy with ff work now
[15:03] <kenvandine> +1 for next week
[15:04] <seb128> so let's maybe go back to focus on work
[15:04] <willcooke> +1
[15:04] <seb128> I'm also going to clean out a bit the list, there is noise on it
[15:04] <seb128> k
[15:04] <seb128> sounds like consensus for next week then
[15:04] <willcooke> jibel already added it to the list
[15:04] <willcooke> :)
[15:04] <willcooke> anything else?
[15:04] <willcooke> Trevinho, lets talk distro patch next week
[15:05] <willcooke> k, going to wrap in 10...
[15:05] <willcooke> 9..
[15:05] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 27 15:05:52 2018 UTC.
[15:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-02-27-14.30.moin.txt
[15:05] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:05] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:06] <jbicha> seb128: could you promote libepubgen to main for LibreOffice?
[15:06] <seb128> thanks!
[15:06] <seb128> jbicha, can do
[15:06] <jbicha> kenvandine: so we're sticking with flatpak 0.11? do you know when flatpak 0.12 is expected?
[15:06] <seb128> jibel, hey, do you think you would have some slot this week to review (&test?) the changes from https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubiquity/remove-ecryptfs-option/+merge/340026 ?
[15:07] <jibel> seb128, sure.
[15:07] <ahayzen> jbicha, unfortunately we don't :-/
[15:07] <kenvandine> jbicha, there's a rumor there will be a 1.0 by this summer
[15:08] <kenvandine> but we don't have a good estimate since alex is away
[15:08] <seb128> jibel, thanks, I did changes in a way that should impact the gtk frontend only for now, I don't know what kubuntu wants to do but we can figure that out later and do extra changes if needed then
[15:08] <kenvandine> jbicha, but i think it makes sense to ship something newer than 0.10.x with a plan to SRU the next stable release
[15:08] <jibel> seb128, okay, I'll review and test it tomorrow
[15:09] <jbicha> ok
[15:09] <seb128> jibel, thx
[15:09] <ahayzen> kenvandine, we are of course assuming that the next series will be a "stable" one
[15:10] <Laney> you mean LTS rather than stable, right?
[15:11] <ahayzen> yes, supported for "longer" :-)
[15:15] <seb128> andyrock, bug #1752113 should be fixed in our current bionic version no?
[15:15] <ubot5`> bug 1752113 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Calling g_output_stream_vprintf fails with critical error" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752113
[15:16] <seb128> andyrock, that was commited in decembre
[15:16] <andyrock> mmm i still get it
[15:16] <andyrock> let me check again
[15:16] <jbicha> tkamppeter: did you see my question yesterday about updating system-config-printer?
[15:21] <andyrock> seb128: you're right my chroot was not updated
[15:21] <seb128> andyrock, :)
[15:22] <Laney> ye olde glibe
[15:23] <seb128> tjaalton, so you are working on making those clutter test work? or do you consider the issue understood/not important and are in favor of skipping them for this round?
[15:23] <seb128> your comment were not that clear to me
[15:23] <tjaalton> seb128: I think they should be either skipped, or mutter fixed to include the merge proposal
[15:24] <seb128> Laney, wdyt about skipping for this round? we could do with that transition clearing off to move to the next one
[15:24] <Laney> how's mutter involved?
[15:24] <tjaalton> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/36
[15:24] <Laney> I don't think mutter is installed for clutter's tests
[15:25] <tjaalton> hmm true
[15:26] <Laney> seb128: do you know what the failure is saying?
[15:28] <seb128> Laney, no, just what tjaalton wrote on the other channel, that it seems related to 30bits support
[15:28] <seb128> but it somewhat seems like the claim are throw in air and not backup by evidences at this point
[15:28] <seb128> so maybe deserves at least a bit more investigation first
[15:33] <tjaalton> ok the origin is cogl, mutter forked cogl/clutter, right?
[15:34] <Laney> yeah it has an embedded copy
[15:34] <Laney> with changes afaik
[15:35] <tjaalton> 17:31 < daniels> tjaalton: as for the out-of-tree original cogl/clutter project, i think you might be the
[15:35] <tjaalton>                  first/only person to care?
[15:35] <tjaalton> dunno about that :)
[15:36] <tjaalton> so, skip the tests and modify the patch(es) for cogl?
[15:37] <seb128> what's the impact of the problem?
[15:37] <seb128> is it likely to hit any user in clutter-apps like totem?
[15:38] <tjaalton> the mutter patches were only needed for wayland I think
[15:39] <tjaalton> only gallium drivers (swrast included) support rgb10 atm
[15:39] <tjaalton> "only"
[15:39] <tjaalton> meaning not intel :)
[15:56] <jbicha> Trevinho: btw, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/4 needs to be rebased, Debian cherry-picked the commits but they don't apply against 3.27.91
[15:57] <Trevinho> jbicha: I also need to fix it, but it's all something I want to do post-FF
[15:57] <jbicha> no problem, I was just mentioning it
[15:59] <seb128> tjaalton, so you are pretty confident the clutter issue isn't going to be user visible?
[15:59] <tjaalton> seb128: no, there's no X driver support for this yet, landed in xserver git today for modesetting
[15:59] <tjaalton> so for X we should be safe
[16:00] <seb128> and wayland sessions?
[16:00] <tjaalton> I'm running it on my laptop since three weeks ago
[16:00] <tjaalton> wayland needs the mutter change ad least
[16:00] <tjaalton> *At
[16:00] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - +1 to ship MP3 via good codecs
[16:00] <seb128> willcooke, great!
[16:00] <seb128> tjaalton, what will happen to who without those?
[16:01] <willcooke> I shouldn't have used a "-" in that line
[16:01] <seb128> it's fine, I read it as a separator not as a minus :)
[16:02] <tjaalton> seb128: a psychedelic session
[16:02] <seb128> tjaalton, k, so we need that mutter patch backported before we let things migrate?
[16:02] <seb128> tjaalton, jbicha, ^ can you get that done?
[16:02] <tjaalton> do we care about wayland users at this point?
[16:03] <tjaalton> the fix is simple, log in X
[16:03] <jbicha> tjaalton: yes we care
[16:03] <tjaalton> which should be default?
[16:03] <tjaalton> ok, then yes you probably want that in first
[16:03] <jbicha> seb128: I don't have time today to work on that, sorry
[16:04] <jbicha> just upload it straight to bionic and we can figure out Debian later
[16:04] <Laney> willcooke: thx, can that be officially stated somewhere do you think?
[16:04] <seb128> tjaalton, yes, let's not regress for a part of our userbase, especially if there is an available fix
[16:04] <seb128> need to drop offline for a bit, back in less than 30 min
[16:08] <willcooke> Laney, hmmm, yeah, good point.  I'll look in to that, but for now I can forward you an email if you want?
[16:09] <Laney> sure, merci
[16:33] <andyrock> seb128 I've livepatch integrated in g-o-a
[16:33] <andyrock> it seems to work fine, also with time-based o-t-p there is no need to re-enter the otp
[16:34] <andyrock> now I'm just understdaning how to deal with error string translations
[16:35] <andyrock> I guess that we should translate them client-side
[16:52] <seb128> andyrock, hey! ok, great ... so what are the bits that are ready for landing and in what order do they need to land? also if upstream doesn't review now can you get a code review from at least Trevinho on the bits ready
[16:52] <andyrock> seb128: rishi told me that he will review it tomorrow
[16:53] <andyrock> I'll finish the code to deal with translations
[16:53] <andyrock> I'll just the important strings and then a generic error string
[16:53] <andyrock> *translate
[16:53] <andyrock> something like "Something went wrong. Please try again"
[16:54] <seb128> great
[16:54] <seb128> there are probably already existing/translated error strings in others providers no?
[16:54] <andyrock> I'll check that
[16:55] <andyrock> after this I'll prepare a patch for g-s to use this
[16:55] <andyrock> and then one for software-properties
[16:55] <seb128> k
[16:55] <seb128> let's talk about uploading that tomorrow
[16:55] <andyrock> should not be hard
[16:55] <andyrock> kk
[16:55] <seb128> hopefully rishi reviews it by then
[16:55] <andyrock> yeah he's stucked with 3.28 release
[17:03] <andyrock> seb128: there is just a "Authentication failed" string
[17:03] <andyrock> no string for 2-factor auth
[17:05] <seb128> k
[17:08] <seb128> tjaalton, sorry I had to drop offline for a bit and I missed maybe some discussion ... was there any conclusion about that clutter/mutter issue? who is going to patch/unblock those?
[17:19] <tjaalton> seb128: looks like tseliot is looking at them :)
[17:20] <tjaalton> I filed bug 1752123
[17:20] <ubot5`> bug 1752123 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Force 8bit RGB config" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752123
[17:38] <seb128> tjaalton, tseliot, thx
[18:10] <kenvandine> seb128, did you get a chance to build gedit with my helpers link_xdg_user_dirs branch?
[18:23] <seb128> kenvandine, no sorry, thanks for the reminder ... later or tomorrow :)
[19:04] <willcooke> night all
[19:56] <oSoMoN> nighty night
[21:09] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, now gnome-calculator is seeded as a snap what should happen as an upgrader?
[21:10] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, we should talk about that in budapest
[21:10] <kenvandine> i don't think we have a way to install that snap on upgrade
[21:10] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, ok, so I should manually uninstall the .deb and install the .snap for the default experience?
[21:11] <kenvandine> that's what i've been doing
[21:11] <kenvandine> i've uninstalled lots of stuff now :)
[21:12]  * robert_ancell looks at seeds
[21:12] <robert_ancell> oh, there's lots of snaps now
[21:13] <kenvandine> :)
[21:13] <kenvandine> several more today
[21:14] <gQuigs> I haven't seen a plan around the fact that snaps don't work on the livecd... so no calc for livecd users
[21:14] <kenvandine> gQuigs, there's a fix proposed for that
[21:15] <kenvandine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1751667
[21:15] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1751667 in snapd (Ubuntu) "classic snap does not run on live session" [Undecided,New]
[21:15] <kenvandine> gQuigs, the fix is approved but not landed yet
[21:16] <gQuigs> heh, what do you know, my bug is fixed - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1576378
[21:16] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1576378 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Snap installing doesn't work in live session" [Low,Confirmed]
[21:16] <gQuigs> kenvandine ty!
[21:18] <kenvandine> gQuigs, yw
[21:20] <jbicha> robert_ancell: my understanding was that ubuntu-release-upgrader is supposed to handle installing the snap and uninstalling the deb (although that won't work for those of us *already* running bionic)
[21:23] <kenvandine> jbicha, is that already done?
[21:23] <jbicha> I don't know. I haven't seen anyone working on it…
[23:04] <jbicha> kenvandine: are you getting these snap store failed notifications for gnome-clocks & -calculator (yesterday)?
[23:11] <kenvandine[m][m]> @jbicha I got one, need to investigate
[23:11] <kenvandine[m][m]> I fixed the build failure now the store complains
[23:13] <jbicha> robert_ancell: btw, Debian imports from unstable are broken, so snapd-glib may take a few days to sync
[23:14] <robert_ancell> jbicha, i'll do it manually
[23:15] <jbicha> using syncpackage or dput?
[23:29] <robert_ancell> jbicha, cput
[23:29] <robert_ancell> dput


[02:57] <jsgotangco> ogra, i got it running again, thanks
[02:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, what was it ?
[02:58] <ogra> any idea ?
[02:59] <jsgotangco> no concrete idea really, the first time, the kernel doesn't boot at all, but after countless soft reboots they all loggedin
[02:59] <jsgotangco> my dsl died last night so i wasn't able to go online and check
[02:59] <ogra> hmm, it should work at the second login immediately
[03:00] <jsgotangco> yes, i did a second reinstall on the server and it went as you wrote
[03:00] <ogra> great
[03:00] <jsgotangco> do some apps are not supposed to run yet?
[03:01] <ogra> if something doesnt run, thats a bug
[03:01] <jsgotangco> hmm a lot of them didn't run at all
[03:02] <ogra> which ones ?
[03:02] <jsgotangco> can't recall, i'll do a reinstall later on the same cd, i have a problem with disk space because of these previews
[03:02] <ogra> oh, ok
[03:02] <ogra> but you mean desktop apps
[03:03] <jsgotangco> yes the server works fine
[03:03] <ogra> hmm...
[03:03] <ogra> i havent seen something not working... there are some known bugs in gcompris...
[03:04] <ogra> but yu can use it
[03:05] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:05] <jsgotangco> i think the typing app doesn't work
[03:05] <jsgotangco> hmm are we still frozen?
[03:05] <ogra> ktouch
[03:05] <ogra> yep, we are...
[03:05] <jsgotangco> ok so this cd is safe
[03:05] <ogra> mdz wants to let it frozen for 1-2 days
[03:06] <ogra> sadly it is...
[03:06] <ogra> i have the fixes ready... but am not allowed to get them in...
[09:59] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[10:08] <JaneW> is ogra in the house?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> im in my house
[10:11] <JaneW> heh
[10:11] <JaneW> where's our preview
[10:11] <JaneW> *stomp* *stomp*
[10:15] <jsgotangco> edubuntu?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> it works
[10:15] <jsgotangco> jammcq likes it
[10:16] <jsgotangco> our build actually works nicely
[11:18] <JaneW> yay
[11:28] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i didn't get sponsored heh
[11:40] <jsgotangco> ogra, ping?
[11:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: :(
[11:47] <jsgotangco> yeah claire emailed me earlier
[11:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:47] <jsgotangco> so we decided us in the pacific to start swimming this weekend
[11:47] <ogra> jsgotangco, pong
[11:48] <jsgotangco> ogra, where do i file edubuntu bugs? malone?
[11:48] <ogra> bugzilla indeed
[11:48] <jsgotangco> ta
[11:48] <ogra> mdz wanted to set up a edubuntu keyword a week ago, i dont know if its already there
[11:48] <jsgotangco> some apps just dont work
[11:49] <ogra> dont work == dont start ?
[11:49] <ogra> or behave buggy ?
[11:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:49] <jsgotangco> error
[11:49] <jsgotangco> i only have 2 machines right now so i can't test
[11:50] <ogra> from the games menu ?
[11:50] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:50] <jsgotangco> the ubuntu apps work fine
[11:50] <ogra> hmm, then it looks like a PATH thing... i had a mail report thats similar
[11:50] <ogra> probably /usr/games is not in your path...
[11:51] <jsgotangco> the server doesn't even run it
[11:51] <ogra> can you run it if you are directly on the server ?
[11:51] <jsgotangco> no
[11:51] <jsgotangco> it doesn't work
[11:52] <jsgotangco> i'll do a test later and list up my problems
[11:52] <jsgotangco> why does the admin have no access to the regular user's home folders btw?
[11:55] <ogra> hmm doesnt he ? thats something i havent looked at yet
[11:55] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW, just to make you happy, i hacked my doc last night for edubuntu and registered it to the yelp page and even the clients show the cookbook/about edubuntu
[12:09] <jsgotangco> acckk my brain hurts
[12:09] <jsgotangco> i should sleep early
[12:21] <jsgotangco> see you guys later a beer would be nice right now =)
[12:22] <ogra> jsgotangco, enjoy :)
[12:30] <JaneW> ogra: please see http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommercialFeedback when you get a chance
[12:30] <ogra> JaneW, i saw it when it was added to the middle of my installation instructions... most annoying !
[12:31] <ogra> took me quite some time i didnt have yesterday to fix that
[12:31] <JaneW> ogra: erk... :(
[12:31] <ogra> jop
[12:31] <JaneW> ogra: does he have any valid points?
[12:31] <ogra> not really...
[12:32] <ogra> Win32 apps were dissed by us because of license hell you get the user in....
[12:32] <ogra> schooltoo is obligatory, why should we use something commercial ??
[12:32] <ogra> content filtering is postponed...
[12:32] <ogra> and i have no idea what IncumbentMarketOperators should be
[01:44] <ogra> JaneW, everything done on my side.... all pieces are in the archive at the right place, all we can do now is wait and test the CD (and probably fix remaining hidden stuff)
[01:45] <ogra> s/stuff/stuff i missed/
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: cool, still trying to get to scribing an announcement...
[02:08] <ogra> JaneW, take your time... the CD build will take some time... afterwards i need to download and test... it still takes some hours...
[02:08] <ogra> but we will have a preview this evening :)
[02:18] <JaneW> ogra: I'm counting on it ;)
[03:28] <JaneW> ogra: will our preview have an installer and a Live CD?
[03:28] <ogra> nope
[03:28] <JaneW> ogra: and to confirm is it only x386 for now?
[03:28] <ogra> only installer.... its way to huge for a liveCD :(
[03:28] <JaneW> ogra: ok so just an installer?
[03:28] <JaneW> okie
[03:28] <ogra> its all arches
[03:29] <JaneW> don;t want to lie in the announcement :P
[03:29] <ogra> kamion fixed the powerpc CD already
[03:29] <ogra> but the testing takes a lot longer...
[03:29] <JaneW> oh cool
[03:29] <ogra> so i'd say we announce after i386 is tested and mention that amd64 and ppc are there too or something
[03:30] <ogra> mdz said i should ignore ppc for now (not knowing that kamion would have a fix ready in time indeed...)
[03:30] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:32] <ogra> *sigh* this waiting is annoying...
[03:47] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:53] <JaneW> oh cool
[03:53] <JaneW> ogra: must I mention powerpc now as well?
[03:53] <JaneW> ogra: so will we have a LIveCD at all (ever) or not?
[03:55] <ogra> nope, its just not doable at CD size....
[03:56] <ogra> the install CD is already stuffed up to the last byte
[04:07] <JaneW> ok.
[04:07] <JaneW> ogra: please check your mail...
[04:07] <JaneW> my attempt at a preview announcement
[04:07] <JaneW> can you fill in the technical bullet point please, and check for any glaring errors..?
[04:10] <JaneW> ogra: just noticed this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has been successfully subscribed to edubuntu-devel... interesting...
[04:10] <ogra> oh
[04:11] <ogra> i wouldnt expect us to be in the higher ranks though :)
[04:11] <ogra> we have a very specific audience :)
[04:12] <ogra> releases.edubuntu.com wont work :)
[04:13] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/ will i guess...
[04:17] <JaneW> can you edit?
[04:17] <JaneW> ogra: we'll be top of distrowatch soon... maybe below ubuntu though ;)
[04:17] <ogra> haha
[04:18] <ogra> yup, doing just now, i'm just trying to not break the formatting :)
[04:20] <ogra> i havent much to add :)
[04:21] <ogra> since we inherit everything from ubuntu anyway
[04:21] <ogra> and you already covered the thin client stuff
[04:22] <JaneW> ogra: that's why I left that stuff in... I think we should trim those lists slightly if it's not a huge selling point for us and focus more strongly on our specifics...
[04:22] <JaneW> ogra: I based my messgae on Matt's, so we shouldn't plagarise his list entrely ;)
[04:22] <JaneW> I did try to change as much as possible and make it more relevant to us..
[04:23] <JaneW> ogra; I also added a wiki page for preview release feedback... linked for the How can I help section, under the testing line...
[04:24] <JaneW> s/for/from
[04:24] <ogra> good :)
[04:35] <JaneW> ogra: any idea when we'll be ready to announce?
[04:35] <ogra> JaneW, you always send to hostmaster@ ....
[04:35] <JaneW> ogra: what should I use?
[04:35] <ogra> JaneW, still waiting for some stuff from the buildds
[04:35] <ogra><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:36] <ogra> the hostmaster account sends unsigned by default...
[04:36] <JaneW> ok changed my address book
[04:36] <ogra> thanks :)
[04:37] <ogra> oh, i missed to update the links...
[04:37] <ogra> i'll send you the download linklist separately again
[04:39] <JaneW> was just strtching my head looking at that ;)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> its nice to know you guys are getting busy
[04:44] <JaneW> ogra: I don;t have the new links yet...
[04:45] <ogra> id dint send them yet
[04:45] <JaneW> ogra: should I get mdz to approve the announcement?
[04:45] <JaneW> gah!
[04:45] <ogra> or sabdfl...
[04:48] <JaneW> ok both
[04:48] <JaneW> gimme the link so I can send it already!
[04:48] <JaneW> ;)
[04:49] <ogra> JaneW, meh, rip out schooltool for now, it takes to long says Kamion
[04:49] <ogra> i'll add it tomorrow directly after preview but it wont be on todays CD
 ogra: OK, CD builds running
[04:49] <ogra> !
[04:51] <ogra> in ~30 min we schould see something here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/
[04:51] <ogra> JaneW, we should mention Kamion in the announcement at the end :)
[04:51] <JaneW> okie
[04:52] <JaneW> for?
[04:52] <jsgotangco> ogra: if you need a yelp compatible about edubuntu page, its now ready, just give me a ping
[04:52] <JaneW> builds
[04:52] <ogra> help with cdbuilding and installer changes
[04:52] <JaneW> ok
[04:53] <ogra> the latter was most essential, i didnt know anything about it until last week, he taught me everything in a handfull of days
[04:53] <JaneW> matt?
[04:53] <ogra> Kamion
[04:54] <JaneW> no I am saying should we mention matt?
[04:54] <JaneW> nod about kaniom
[04:54] <JaneW> kamion even
[04:54] <ogra> hm, why not, he made ltsp happen, that deserves some cheering :)
[04:54] <JaneW> nod
[04:54] <JaneW> ok will we have mirrors of just that one link?
[04:54] <JaneW> s/of/or
[04:54] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'm more interested to know what the docteam does with the mozilla page
[04:55] <ogra> JaneW, if the release is there it gets moved to releases.ubuntu.com... after i blessed it, which will be after a test install
[04:56] <ogra> s/test/sucessful test/
[04:56] <ogra> cross your fingers the installer changes work right ... thats the critical change of today
[04:58] <jsgotangco> ogra: i believe sabdfl edited it today...
[04:58] <jsgotangco> i'm just too depressed to do work
[04:58] <ogra> JaneW, i saw some mentioning of translateable stuff. ...
[04:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, depressed ? why ?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> long story
[04:59] <JaneW> ok I am making the link TBC... and sending now ok?
[04:59] <ogra> ok
[04:59] <JaneW> I have to get out of here
[04:59] <ogra> just dont publish yet, we have nothing yet
[05:00] <JaneW> I sent it to you, Matt and Mark for editing/approval
[05:00] <ogra> oki
[05:01] <JaneW> ogra: I need to go now, if I don't make it back will you send it out when appropriate (WITH the download links inserted please)
[05:01] <ogra> yup
[05:01] <ogra> np, thanks for that :)
[05:02] <ogra> s/that/preparing it/
[05:02] <JaneW> np ;)
[05:02] <jsgotangco> bye JaneW
[05:02] <JaneW> bye
[05:02] <JaneW> sorry can't stay! ;/
[05:03] <jsgotangco> no worries
[05:03] <ogra> dot worry, we'll manage :)
[05:03] <ogra> dont even
[05:04] <JaneW> cool
[05:04] <JaneW> thanks for everything ogra
[05:04] <JaneW> and jsgotangco !
[05:04] <JaneW> hasta la vista
[05:04] <jsgotangco> i didnt do anything
[05:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, hey...
[05:04] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yeah you did
[05:04] <ogra> sure
[05:09] <jsgotangco> ogra: my kid loves it
[05:10] <jsgotangco> we're using it now
[05:10] <ogra> yeah :)
[05:10] <jsgotangco> she loves mr potato head
[05:10] <ogra> JaneW, changed travel plans ?
[06:42] <talat> hi
[06:44] <talat> ?
[06:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:44] <talat> i ask something about eduubuntu
[06:44] <talat> can i ask ?
[06:44] <jsgotangco> sure if i can answer it
[06:45] <jsgotangco> if not ogra is the best person to answer
[06:45] <talat> i dont know you can answer
[06:46] <jsgotangco> ask anyways i wouldnt know if you don't start
[06:46] <talat> i live in turkey
[06:46] <talat> and i think i must start same projet
[06:46] <talat> but i dont know
[06:46] <talat> how to start this project ?
[06:47] <jsgotangco> why start when there is one already?
[06:47] <talat> edubuntu support turkish ?
[06:47] <jsgotangco> its possible that there are turkish language packs
[06:47] <jsgotangco> no idea did you try ubuntu?
[06:47] <ogra> talat, edubuntu supports every language ubuntu supports
[06:47] <ogra> i think turkish is among them
[06:48] <jsgotangco> if ubuntu has turkish, edubuntu can have it
[06:48] <talat> ok. i know ubuntu support turkish ..
[06:48] <jsgotangco> then we have edubuntu in turkish =)
[06:49] <talat> ok but we have other problem manuals not turkish or edubuntu web site not support turkish
[06:49] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:49] <jsgotangco> that's one thing we'll cross
[06:49] <jsgotangco> sorry we haven't really started a usable manual
[06:49] <jsgotangco> its in my TODO to put all the stuff in the wiki this weekened
[06:50] <talat> can i translate edubuntu web site english to turkish ?
[06:50] <talat> or i build new web site edubuntu ?
[06:50] <jsgotangco> you can put a wiki page in edubuntu.org in turkish
[06:51] <talat> :) nice
[06:51] <jsgotangco> hmm
[06:52] <jsgotangco> maybe i can start messing up the wiki now
[06:52] <talat> i want to help edubuntu ..
[06:52] <talat> how to help it?
[06:52] <jsgotangco> artwork, documentation, testing, etc.
[06:53] <talat> can i write documentation how to start writing ?
[06:55] <jsgotangco> we have a cookbook being done
[06:55] <talat> what is cookbook
[06:55] <jsgotangco> refer to the wiki in a few days i'll be dumping most of the parts
[06:57] <talat> i register eduubuntu website ..
[06:58] <talat> now i think start a turkish page
[06:59] <jsgotangco> ok put it somewhere under documentation i guess or just inform me when you're done i can organize the page
[07:00] <talat> ok..
[07:15] <jsgotangco> talat: Manila
[07:23] <talat> whereis manila ?
[07:25] <jsgotangco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila
[07:26] <talat> are you muslim ?
[07:27] <jsgotangco> no
[07:28] <talat> :)
[07:28] <talat> i dont find moinmoin ...
[07:28] <talat> what is this ?
[07:29] <talat> can i edit welcome page and i saveas hosgeldiniz
[07:29] <jsgotangco> please don't edit the frontpage
[07:29] <jsgotangco> if you don't know what you are doing
[07:30] <talat> ok
[07:30] <talat> i edit on my comoter
[07:30] <talat> and after i learn moinmoin i send i website ..
[07:31] <talat> now bye all
[07:31] <talat> quit
[07:34] <jsgotangco> a little patience works
[08:10] <jsgotangco> oh well
[08:10] <jsgotangco> good night
[08:10] <jsgotangco> err good morning rather
[08:11] <ogra> sleep well
[11:34] <EricV> Hello !
[11:35] <bdoin> yop
[11:35] <EricV> How do you do ?
[11:36] <bdoin> ca va et toi
[11:36] <EricV> bien merci ;)
[11:36] <bdoin> I am only providing software to edubuntu. do you need help
[11:37] <EricV> no that just to have an idea of what you say here
[11:38] <EricV> i will maybe use Edubuntu for Africa, but I'm asking if we will have a complete version in french...
[11:39] <EricV> do you know if the actual design and software are close of the official release ?
[11:40] <bdoin> no idea. which part of africa you're after
[11:41] <bdoin> you are in an NGO
[11:41] <EricV> well, we will go in benin, burkina faso, cameroun, mali and maroc
[11:42] <EricV> no i'm working for a humanitarian association, we bring computers to schools in africa
[11:43] <EricV> we put win98 on the computers before ! but after few months in the hands of children, the OS is destroyed
[11:44] <EricV> what kind of software do you provide ?
[11:45] <EricV> GCompris ?
[11:46] <bdoin> yep
[11:47] <bdoin> I modified gcompris to suit an NGO recently
[11:47] <bdoin> well a little bit
[11:48] <bdoin> do you know this: http://ntbf.net/article.php3?id_article=150
[11:49] <EricV> i'm developping as well a software for young people but especially in africa
[11:49] <bdoin> what age ?
[11:50] <EricV> http://www.Wedus.org
[11:51] <EricV> that's a concept and not really a software
[11:51] <EricV> we are customising a Linux to set up automaticaly a local web server
[11:52] <EricV> on this web server, we will put a portal dedicated to the people from 6th to Terminale (french scholar system)
[11:53] <EricV> you can see on this Visio: http://wedus.org/reseau_wedus.png our network
[11:54] <EricV> the big problem in africa is their network ! impossible for a school to be connected 24H a day to Internet with a 56K (too expensive, in not really easy to use)
[11:54] <EricV> (and not really to use)
[11:54] <EricV> so every day, an XML file is sent by Internet with all the updates made on a local server based in africa to the central server based in paris
[11:55] <EricV> and this central server will send new datas to the local server
[11:56] <bdoin> I see.
[11:56] <EricV> the local server will be connected only 5 minutes a day to internet, and they can have exchange with other people from the world, share lessons with others children, get the last news from LCI or CNN
[11:56] <bdoin> do you know the NTBF organisation, they are also working with the birkina
[11:58] <EricV> i didnt know this organisation, but i'm reading their web site
[11:59] <bdoin> they support several scools with computers there
[12:00] <EricV> maybe we will contact them, because we didnt choose our partner for the next year
[12:00] <EricV> they have a good article about elearning
[12:01] <EricV> that's good that try e-learning, in some country like Benin (wich is richer) they dont speak about that, because thats really to expensive


[07:03] <blkperl> slangasek: did we settle on a date and time for your presentation? :)
[07:04] <blkperl> bkero: would you like to present on $topic as well? :)
[07:04] <blkperl> i know you speak well and you can't hide from me :P
[07:04] <bkero> eh?
[07:04] <bkero> blkperl: im speaking on what now?
[07:05] <blkperl> i need presenters for PSU ACM
[07:05] <bkero> oh
[07:05] <bkero> sure
[07:05] <bkero> i can prsent
[07:05] <bkero> present
[07:05] <blkperl> what would you like to talk about?
[07:06] <c_smith> bkero=bkerensa?
[07:06] <blkperl> no
[07:06] <bkero> no.
[07:06] <c_smith> k
[07:06] <bkero> no
[07:06] <bkero> no
[07:06] <c_smith> anywho, how is everyone?
[07:06] <blkperl> bkero: want to give the ssh talk?
[07:07] <bkero> blkperl: is that good enough?
[07:07] <blkperl> yea the audience is undergraduate students :P_
[07:07] <bkero> that wasnt really a talk
[07:07] <bkero> but i can do it
[07:07] <blkperl> that no nothing about ssh/unix
[07:07]  * c_smith listens to Disturbed while considering what media player to actually install
[07:07] <blkperl> unless you have another awesome thing you want to talk about?
[07:07] <bkero> nah thats fine
[07:08] <bkero> as long as they know what a terminal is
[07:08] <blkperl> hopefully they know what a terminal is :)
[07:09] <bkero> i dont have much faith in cs students
[07:09] <c_smith> *ahem* I may not have even gotten into college, but I still know a what ssh is...... >.> I may not know all the commands for it, but I know how to ssh to a desktop and open gui apps through it.
[07:09] <bkero> so when am i talking?
[07:09] <bkero> c_smith: you being on irc sets you apart automatically
[07:09] <blkperl> name a friday in january or febuary and its yours :)
[07:09] <c_smith> >.< ffffuuuuu!!!!!!
[07:10] <bkero> blkperl: im gone jan 13 to jan28
[07:10] <blkperl> c_smith: yeah your already because you here
[07:10] <bkero> and half of feb
[07:10] <blkperl> s/you/your
[07:10] <bkero> you're
[07:10] <blkperl> bkero: so feb ??
[07:10] <c_smith> anywho, is there anything important I should have been on earlier for that I should know of? or was it another uneventful day?
[07:10] <blkperl> s/your/you're :)
[07:10] <bkero> feb would work
[07:10] <blkperl> what week ?
[07:11] <bkero> i dunno yet
[07:11] <blkperl> ok ill ask again in jan
[07:11] <bkero> im gonna be gone 2 weeks in london, but i dont know which 2 weeks yet :L
[07:11] <bkero> yea
[07:11] <blkperl> london...jealous
[07:12] <bkero> spinning up a new moz office
[07:12] <bkero> i should write a talk about open sourcing your it infra's work/setup
[07:12] <bkero> like post-yer-shit-to-github etc
[07:13] <c_smith> ok, bkero, who exactly are you to the Oregon Team? I'm just curious.
[07:13] <c_smith> sorry if I came across rude there, but had no other way to word it offhand.
[07:14] <bkero> c_smith: im a local tech user, ppa owner, and resident troll
[07:14] <bkero> i use my troll status as qualification for it B)
[07:14] <c_smith> cool, like I said, sorry if I came across as rude, it's late for me, so I'm not exactly at my brightest.
[07:15] <bkero> i dont care, its fine
[07:15]  * c_smith goes back to monitoring #ubuntu and offering any help he can offer
[07:15] <blkperl> bkero: oow i want to hear that speech
[07:16] <bkero> blkperl: the troll speech?
[07:16] <blkperl> the opensource your infrastructure
[07:17] <bkero> oh yea
[07:17] <bkero> i wonder if i could get it accepted at some conferences
[07:18] <blkperl> do it
[07:18] <blkperl> for osbridge
[07:18] <bkero> ok
[07:18] <bkero> when is osbridge?
[07:40] <blkperl> june?
[08:14]  * bkerensa is going to do another talk at CLS
[08:14] <bkerensa> I like unconf better
[18:56] <slangasek> blkperl: no, we haven't settled; I had asked when you needed me to have decided if I could do the talk, and you didn't answer ;)
[19:08] <blkperl> slangasek: can you decide by jan? :)
[19:08] <slangasek> yes :)
[19:34]  * bkerensa has to figure out how to get out to WOU next month to do a presentation on Ubuntu
[19:34] <bkerensa> :D
[19:53] <bkero> drive?
[19:55] <bkerensa> bkero: I take public trans
[19:55] <bkerensa> I will just get a ride out and back :)


[23:15] <DisableAdBlock> Did anyone test Ubuntu 16.10 yet?
[23:18] <valorie> I've been running it for months, DisableAdBlock
[23:18] <valorie> well, Kubuntu 16.10
[23:19] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-GT60-2PC': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.6.3 on Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) powered by Linux 4.4.0-34-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 2843-3695/3800 MHz, RAM: 23747/24030 MB, Storage: 324/967 GB, 334 procs, 137.65h up


[06:07] <didrocks> good morning
[07:03] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:20] <MacSlow> morning folks
[08:35] <jibel> could you confirm if bug 865101 and bug 863303 are duplicates ?
[10:18] <gord> htorque, hey, you about?
[10:42] <htorque> gord: now i am
[10:43] <gord> htorque, awesome :) do you have any idea what wallpaper you were using when you triggered this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/820310
[10:45] <htorque> gord: ha! no, sorry. i constantly switch between ubuntu default, a beautiful beach, and a solid background.
[10:45] <gord> htorque, yeah was a while back ;) do you think there was any chance it was a solid background?
[10:46] <htorque> gord: also, i'm not sure when i got this the last time because i've been on autologin for a while.
[10:46] <gord> yeah i just want to check to see if it could still happen, pretty sure its fixed
[10:46] <htorque> gord: it's definitely possible. and the solid background has caused troubles in the past. i can try to reproduce it.
[10:47] <gord> htorque, cool, i'll try with a solid background then :)
[11:04] <htorque> gord: tried hard, but no crash.
[11:04] <gord> htorque, yeah me too, i marked the bug as fix committed, if it happens again feel free to re-open :)
[11:05] <htorque> sure, will do.
[11:05] <gord> great, thanks!
[14:25] <om26er> MacSlow, about bug 865913 i believe its the same as bug 832150 which i can reproduce as well
[14:25]  * MacSlow looks
[14:27] <didrocks> om26er: I'm not sure both are the same exactly, hence the fact I didn't dup them, but feel free :)
[14:28] <om26er> didrocks, right, as i look at the bug more closely seems like it :/
[14:28] <MacSlow> om26er, there is a difference between fullscreen and maximized... and I also don't get the problem as described in LP: #832150 (e.g. using gedit or gnome-terminal)
[14:34] <om26er> i see no mention of fullscreen in any of the report both are for maximize
[14:34]  * om26er still thinks those two to have the same root cause with different ways to trigger ;)
[20:29]  * nhaines is happy that Ubuntu Mono is now the default monospace font in Ubuntu 11.10, UI freeze be damned.
[20:42] <kenvandine> nhaines, agreed!
[20:44] <nhaines> kenvandine: not sure what it says about me that Ubuntu Mono was one of my most anticipated features.  :)
[20:45] <kenvandine> haha
[21:10] <jono> kenvandine, yo
[21:10] <jono> any idea why my notification bubbles are not popping up for Twitter replies in Gwibber?
[21:12] <kenvandine> jono, no... do you have them turned off?
[21:12] <kenvandine> jono, are they showing in the UI?
[21:12] <jono> kenvandine, nope, everything is turned on
[21:12] <jono> in the prefs
[21:12] <jono> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/865872
[21:12] <kenvandine> and you see the replies in the UI right?
[21:12] <jono> kenvandine, yep
[21:13] <kenvandine> weird
[21:14] <kenvandine> i'll turn off notifications for everything and see if it happens to me
[22:18] <T-ors> Hello. Not sure if this is the right place to ask. I am attempting to do something with an Unity launcher quicklist, but I can't find how.
[22:19] <T-ors> The wiki lists horizontal separators as a feature, but I haven't seen any example of it being used or any reference about how to place one in a quicklist. Is it not implemented at the moment, perhaps?


[16:01] <Pici> Meh, I'm not sure how I feel about this "pay for ubuntu" thing thats in the new download page.
[16:02] <bazhang> it stinks
[16:02] <Pici> I don't even see a link on there that actually says where the money is going.
[16:03] <Pici> Does it go to the Ubuntu Foundation? Canonical? Shuttlerworth's jet fuel fund?
[16:05] <DJones> Looking at website now, I don't even see any "donate" button
[16:05] <DJones> Not until you get to about the 4th link into the get ubuntu options
[16:06] <DJones> Its not as if you're forced to give credit card details before you download
[16:08] <Pici> Actually, it comes up right after you press the "get Ubuntu" buttons under the architecture selector.
[16:09] <k1l> i think its a good idea but they could have done it more properly. like the amazon-search thingy
[16:10] <k1l> but it doesnt deserve the shitstorm its recieving.
[16:10] <DJones> Right, just looking now, 3rd click before I actually get asked to contribute and even then, the contribute & just download buttons are pretty much next to each other
[18:27]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[18:28] <h00k> so...
[18:29] <h00k> where do we put ubuntu phone discussions?
[18:29] <IdleOne> #ubuntu-discuss
[18:30] <ikonia> maybe....#ubuntu-phone
[18:30] <ikonia> it's been useless for long enough
[18:30] <ikonia> now it may have an actual use
[18:32] <IdleOne> ikonia: it isn't a phone yet and we should be flooding a channel where there may be people who actually contribute with all the flame
[18:32] <IdleOne> should'nt*
[18:37] <ikonia> it isn't a phone ?
[18:37] <ikonia> I thought they had just announced a phone
[18:37] <Myrtti> available in early 2014
[18:38] <ikonia> so ?
[18:38] <AlanBell> they have announced the potential for there to be a phone
[18:38] <ikonia> phone discussion
[18:38] <ikonia> we point people at #ubuntu-tv for a product that doesn't exist
[18:38] <DJones> replace ofr with for
[19:39] <DJones> Probably needs to be now that mhall119 is pointing people to -phone !phone is Ubuntu for phone has been announced, see http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone to find out more and to sign up for updates on its progress, discussion and support in #ubuntu-phone
[19:39] <Pici> ugh
[19:40] <DJones> ugh at the factoid suggestion or pointing people to -phone?
[19:40] <Pici> ugh at things changing without people telling other people
[19:42] <IdleOne> !phone
[19:42] <IdleOne> ubottu: phone is <reply> Ubuntu ofr phone has been announced, see http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone for details and to find out more and to sign up for updates on its progress, discussion in #ubuntu-discuss
[19:43] <IdleOne> !no ubottu: phone is <reply> Ubuntu ofr phone has been announced, see http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone for details and to find out more and to sign up for updates on its progress, discussion in #ubuntu-phone
[19:43] <IdleOne> !no phone is <reply> Ubuntu ofr phone has been announced, see http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone for details and to find out more and to sign up for updates on its progress, discussion in #ubuntu-phone
[19:43] <IdleOne> lol
[19:43] <IdleOne> FOR
[19:43] <tsimpson> !phone ~= s/ofr/for/
[19:43] <IdleOne> thank you
[19:44] <DJones> Heh, just realised I didn't correct my spelling mistake in the 2nd version
[19:46] <tsimpson> !no phone is <reply> Ubuntu for phone has been announced, see http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone to find out more and to sign up for progress updates. Discussion is in #ubuntu-phone
[19:46] <tsimpson> grammar gremlins be gone


[01:25] <ion_> My plate is buggy. http://heh.fi/tmp/buggy_plate
[05:49] <aleix> hi, i have a little question i don't seem to be able to find anywhere... if upstart replaces init how does the kernel know it has to execute upstart and when does this happen?
[05:50] <mbiebl> The kernel starts /sbin/init by default.
[05:51] <aleix> so upstart has a "program" also called init?
[05:51] <mbiebl> Right.
[05:51] <aleix> ok, that makes sense, thanks a lot!
[05:52] <mbiebl> You can change the default by passing init=/path/to/init to the kernel on boot.
[05:53] <mbiebl> So you can install upstart to /opt/upstart, if you don't want to overwrite your sysv init.
[05:55] <aleix> so i've read! i'll give it a try! thanks