[05:02] <mborzecki> morning
[06:58] <mup> PR core#89 closed: hooks: fix 30-fix-timedatectl.chroot to DTRT when running on non-core devices <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/89>
[06:58] <pstolowski> mornings
[06:58] <zyga> good morning
[06:58] <pstolowski> hey mborzecki
[06:58] <mvo> hey pstolowski
[06:58] <zyga> I'm just settling in
[06:58] <zyga> what a terrible morning :|
[06:58] <zyga> it's cold and wet and raining
[06:59] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: zyga: hey
[06:59] <zyga> but that's just today, it will get better soon :)
[06:59] <mborzecki> cold here, no rain though
[06:59] <zyga> I'm _outside_
[06:59] <mborzecki> zyga: haha :P
[06:59] <zyga> not enough space to work indoors :D
[06:59] <zyga> I will run make in a loop to keep me warm
[06:59] <mborzecki> zyga: wear some kalosze :P
[07:00] <mborzecki> wellington boots is the english name?
[07:00] <mvo> zyga, mborzecki: good morning
[07:07] <mcphail> mborzecki: i wonder if "galoshes" has the same etymology as kalosze?
[07:07] <mborzecki> mcphail: where did you hear it?
[07:08] <mcphail> galoshes are rubber overshoes/boots
[07:14] <zyga> ok, breakfast and then work
[07:14] <mborzecki> mcphail: hah, quite possible, probably sharing the same roots, my dictionary says polish kalosze came from italian caloscia, while for english galoshe i'd probably look for french roots (?)
[07:18] <mborzecki> heh italian wiki mentions caloscia coming from french galoche
[07:19] <mcphail> ah! good find :)
[07:25] <zyga> mvo: back to remapping
[07:26]  * zyga unchecks "use transparency from system theme" to make white gnome-terminal actually white and not dim gray :P
[07:28] <mborzecki> guys, have you already enabled 2fa in github?
[07:33] <mvo> zyga: yay, for some reason     - google:ubuntu-core-18-64:tests/main/snap-disconnect
[07:33] <mvo>
[07:33] <mvo> zyga: its all in core18-all-fixes-all-tests
[07:33] <zyga> mborzecki: I did some time in the past but disabled it later
[07:33] <zyga> why, do we have to use it by policy now?
[07:33] <zyga> mvo: what about it?
[07:34] <mvo> zyga: it failed, I have not looked into the why yet
[07:34] <mvo> zyga: I merged your latest bits (I think at least)
[07:34] <zyga> I will finish with this PR
[07:34] <zyga> oh
[07:34] <zyga> merged where? master
[07:34] <zyga> or into the helper branch
[07:35] <mvo> zyga: into the core18-all-fixes-all-tests branch
[07:35] <zyga> ok
[07:35] <mvo> zyga: looking into a timezone control failure now first though
[07:35] <zyga> mvo: I'd like to land the remapping through master
[07:36] <mvo> zyga: oh, absolutely
[07:36] <zyga> the helper branch has so much stuff it's hard to reason about sometimes
[07:36] <mvo> zyga: this is just a test ground
[07:36] <zyga> yep
[07:36] <mvo> zyga: I cherry picked only
[07:36] <mvo> zyga: so maybe that was the problme
[07:40] <mborzecki> mvo: would you mind if i pushed a fix to #5436?
[07:40] <mup> PR #5436: tests: add basic integration test for spread hold <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5436>
[07:44] <mvo> mborzecki: not at all, please go ahead
[07:44] <mvo> mborzecki: uh, silly me, thanks for spotting the typo
[07:44] <mborzecki> snap snap :)
[07:50] <zyga> we need another review on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5432
[07:50] <mup> PR #5432: cmd/snap-confine: fix snaps running on core18 <Core18> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5432>
[07:50] <zyga> mborzecki: ^ perhaps you?
[07:51] <zyga> mvo: I opnened the remapping PR, I will now focus on unit testing while spread is running
[07:52] <mup> PR snapd#5439 opened: overlord/ifacestate: translate "core" <=> "snapd" as appropriate <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5439>
[07:52] <zyga> mvo: it's the even more simple version of what you saw last week
[07:53] <zyga> mvo: have you seen the mail from neal?
[07:53] <zyga> sent yesterday at 16:22
[07:53] <mvo> zyga: yeah, but have not really read it yet
[07:54] <mwhudson> zyga: i keep thinking i should update snapd in debian and then finding something else to do
[07:55] <zyga> mwhudson: yeah, I feel I should do it too
[07:55] <mwhudson> i think some new deps need ITPing, sigh
[07:57] <zyga> that's likely, we haven't been paying the ITP tax for a while
[07:57] <mwhudson> it's not hard, just boring
[07:57] <mwhudson> maybe i can dedicate some time to it after 18.04.1 is done
[08:02] <zyga> brb
[08:19] <zyga> somewhat less rain now
[08:32] <mup> PR snapd#5440 opened: snapstate: allow setting "refresh.timer=managed" <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5440>
[08:37] <mvo> zyga: replied to the question from neal, the only thing we do with nsswitch.conf is a bind mount into the snap client
[08:37] <zyga> yeah, I replied as well, not on bugzilla as I cannot log in for some reason, I will reset my account later to fix that
[08:38] <zyga> I think since there is no confinement some snaps may be fiddling with stuff
[08:38] <zyga> but really why would they re-label something is unknown to me
[08:38] <mvo> zyga: I suspect the re-label is a side-effect of e.g. editing the file maybe?
[08:38] <zyga> maybe
[08:38] <zyga> I don't know how labeling in selinux is expected to work
[08:38] <zyga> is everything selinux aware or things break
[08:39] <zyga> or is there some magic that makes vim just work without selinux specifc code in it
[08:39] <zyga> I suspect the label is some default inherited from a parent directory
[08:39] <zyga> maybe the fact that squashfs doesn't ship extended attributes and get some default labels is a factor
[08:40] <Chipaca> hmm, bunch of refresh deltas spread tests failing
[08:49] <zyga> travis log display is utter garbage
[08:49] <zyga> it is so slow I cannot imagine we're the only one complaining about it
[08:53] <Chipaca> zyga: we probably abuse it a bit too much
[08:54] <Chipaca> i just click on raw as soon as it lets me
[08:54] <zyga> yeah, probably optimized for 20 lines of output
[08:54] <zyga> yeah, but even _that_ is slow to render
[08:54] <zyga> (I mean, the raw button)
[09:02] <mborzecki> anyone wants to take a look at #5435? simple but lengthy review
[09:02] <mup> PR #5435: overlord/snapstate: introduce path to fake backend ops <Simple> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5435>
[09:03] <mborzecki> btw. got 2 travis jobs that failed becase of 'no input received in 10 minutes'
[09:03] <mborzecki> restated both already
[09:03] <zyga> same
[09:04] <zyga> though not restarted becaue working on more tests to push
[09:04] <Chipaca> augh
[09:04] <zyga> what's up Chipaca ?
[09:04] <Chipaca> things that don't work as expected in Go because reasons
[09:04] <Chipaca> in this case, umask :-)
[09:05] <Chipaca> anyway, i'm off to the gym
[09:05] <Chipaca> bbiab
[09:05] <zyga> enjoy
[09:05]  * zyga enjoys 13C
[09:05] <Chipaca> i won't, but i am enjoying my back not complaining all the time
[09:05] <Chipaca> so, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[09:05] <zyga> yeah
[09:05] <zyga> that's creepy
[09:06] <Chipaca> zyga: what's creepy?
[09:07] <mborzecki> Chipaca: what's the issue with umask?
[09:07] <zyga> one sec
[09:07] <mborzecki> Chipaca: per thread/process again?
[09:07] <Chipaca> mborzecki: only affects current thread
[09:07] <Chipaca> yes
[09:07] <mborzecki> omg
[09:07]  * zyga looks for pastebin of pictures
[09:07] <mborzecki> we need a separate goroutine for creating files/dirs :)
[09:08] <zyga> Chipaca: https://imgur.com/a/MPXcDyj
[09:09] <Chipaca> zyga: you don't have fonts-takao-pgothic?
[09:09] <zyga> apparently :D
[09:09] <mup> PR core#90 opened: hooks: fix silly copy/paste error from PR#89 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/90>
[09:09] <zyga> this is in irccloud so maybe font issue?
[09:10] <zyga> there is a thread about some apparently broken font sharing
[09:12] <mborzecki> another stalled job
[09:12] <mborzecki> https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds/399031115?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification
[09:13]  * zyga tries to understand the interface manager test setup code, lots of stuff there
[09:14] <mborzecki> Error executing google:arch-linux-64:tests/main/refresh-delta-from-core
[09:20] <mup> PR core#90 closed: hooks: fix silly copy/paste error from PR#89 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/90>
[09:21]  * zyga is slowly warming up thanks to hot coffee and loads of blankets
[09:24] <mvo> hm, tests broken? all recent runs are "!"
[09:34] <zyga> mvo: we noticed, timeouts for !known reason
[09:35] <mvo> zyga: :(
[09:35] <mvo> zyga: ok
[09:47] <mborzecki> pstolowski: pushed a fix to #5434
[09:47] <mup> PR #5434: overlord: introduce InstanceKey to SnapState and SnapSetup, renames <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5434>
[09:52] <pstolowski> mborzecki: thanks
[10:12] <zyga> oh, I see the mail now
[10:12]  * zyga goes to enable 2fa on gh
[10:14] <pstolowski> yeah i just did
[10:14] <pstolowski> although i wonder if i'm actually part of canoni org on gh
[10:14] <pstolowski> i'm definately in snapcore org
[10:15] <pstolowski> anyway... probably a good idea anyway
[10:17] <zyga> ok,ddone
[10:34] <Chipaca> another failed run wrt deltas
[10:36] <mborzecki> 2018-07-02 10:24:42 Cannot allocate google:ubuntu-core-16-64: cannot perform Google request: Get https://www.googleapis.com/compute/v1/projects/computeengine/zones: oauth2: cannot fetch token: Post https://accounts.google.com/o/oauth2/token: net/http: TLS handshake timeout
[10:36] <zyga> mvo: I'm slowly making progress on testing the new ifacestate code
[10:36]  * Chipaca hugs mvo
[10:36] <zyga> also more normal conditions now, with no rain and slowly raising temp
[10:37] <Chipaca> gah, phone call. Need to step out for an hour more or less.
[10:37]  * Chipaca should really have a shower before meeting people irl
[10:38]  * Chipaca compromises
[10:47] <zyga> Chipaca: I wonder if the compromise is on time or on people
[10:48] <zyga> or does it involve showering a fraction of some kind
[11:03] <mborzecki> i should probably add a label for parallel installs PR, there's quite a few of them
[11:05] <zyga> what happens when a snap becomes inactive wrt snapstate
[11:05] <zyga> is Active= false set
[11:05] <zyga> or do we also change Revision/Channel when that happens?
[11:09] <mvo> Chipaca: I appreciate the hug! any particular reason? or just sympathy for the broken tests?
[11:24] <zyga> brb
[11:37] <Chipaca> mvo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawrlVoQqSs
[11:38] <Chipaca> mvo: in particular for pointing out that MATCH only reads its input once
[11:38] <Chipaca> mvo: but in general, because why not
[11:38]  * mvo hugs Chipaca
[11:39] <mvo> Chipaca: haha :)
[11:40] <Chipaca> zyga: a compromise in that i'd be a little bit later than was expected of me, but i'd also be a little less smelly
[11:41] <Chipaca> zyga: IOW a quick wash rather than a shower or nothing
[11:49] <pedronis> zyga: in which context?
[11:54] <pstolowski|denti> dentist apointment, will probably miss the standup
[11:55] <Chipaca> pstolowski|denti: godspeed
[12:03] <zyga> pedronis: I was looking at "representative" test cases for mocking state in my tests
[12:03] <zyga> pedronis: I will show you soon in a PR diff
[12:05] <pedronis> zyga: during a refresh we just  set Active = false and  remove the current link  (see doUnlinkCurrentSnap )
[12:06] <pedronis> zyga: disable does that plus remove-profiles
[12:06] <zyga> ah, that's good then
[12:06] <zyga> thank you!
[12:07] <pedronis> zyga: only discard and link-snap move/change Current
[12:10] <mup> PR snapd#5441 opened: many: expose publisher's validation throughout the API <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5441>
[12:11] <zyga> mvo, pedronis: initial PR with snapd/core connection re-mapping
[12:11] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5439
[12:11] <mup> PR #5439: overlord/ifacestate: translate "core" <=> "snapd" as appropriate <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5439>
[12:12] <zyga> I will now get some food and then focus on adding higher-level tests
[12:23] <Chipaca> hmm, somehting's taking forever to reboot
[12:23]  * Chipaca kills it and starts over
[12:25] <niemeyer> Moins
[12:33] <Chipaca> niemeyer: moin moin. How's things?
[12:34] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Yo.. pretty good.. weekend was nice.. raining like crazy outside but I don't have to be there.. can't complain.. :)
[12:35] <Chipaca> rain is nice when you don't need to be in it, yes :-)
[12:35] <Chipaca> here we've been having ~30C sunny days, which is awesome
[12:35] <Chipaca> (the locals are melting though)
[12:51] <joc> niemeyer: hi, i tried making a case for not changing the name on the socketcan PR, if it doesnt convince you I can make the change though - also available for a call for next few hours if you want
[12:51] <niemeyer> joc: Thanks, yeah, a call would be nice to figure out the other details
[12:51] <niemeyer> joc: What's your tz?
[12:51] <niemeyer> joc: My next couple of hours are meetings
[12:52] <joc> niemeyer: if the details are around exactly what permissions to grant i think having jdstrand would be useful
[12:52] <joc> niemeyer: i'm in London
[12:52] <Chipaca> cachio: how long does the intial reboot of google:ubuntu-core-16-64 usually take, do you know offhand?
[12:53] <cachio> Chipaca, no
[12:53] <cachio> didn't measure it
[12:53] <joc> i'm one of the locals who is melting
[12:53] <niemeyer> joc: How's 17:30 your time?
[12:54] <joc> niemeyer: yep, fine
[12:54] <niemeyer> joc: Thanks, I'll put something in the calendar
[12:54] <zyga> joc: melting? in UK?
[12:55]  * zyga joined the standup early
[12:55] <zyga> mborzecki: can you come, I want to see if my connection is OK
[12:55] <joc> yep! but my liquefaction point is quite low ;)
[12:56] <mborzecki> zyga: joining
[12:56] <zyga> thx
[13:20] <zyga> Chipaca: interesting
[13:22] <zyga> function foo() { cat; }; function bar() { a=$(cat); echo "$a"; };  foo < /etc/passwd | wc -l ; bar < /etc/passwd | wc -l ; a=$(cat /etc/passwd); echo "$a" | wc -l; a=(cat /etc/passwd); echo $a | wc -l
[13:22] <zyga> Chipaca: ^ so newlines are ok
[13:22] <zyga> but you must do quoting correctly
[13:23] <Chipaca> zyga: we might (although I checked and it seemd ok)
[13:25] <Chipaca> zyga: we're doing: local stdin="$(cat)"; echo "$stdin" | grep -q -E "$@" || { echo "error..." }
[13:26] <mborzecki> Chipaca: what if we did `grep --color=never '^test' /etc/passwd > ...`
[13:26] <mborzecki> Chipaca: it's probably already doing iastty() but who knows :/
[13:27] <mborzecki> s/iastty/isatty/
[13:27] <Chipaca> mborzecki: even if that shell were using an alias (i don't think noninteractive shells are), --color=auto means it's not doing it on stdout that isn't a tty
[13:27] <Chipaca> yeah
[13:27] <Chipaca> but, we could
[13:27] <Chipaca> we could also say \grep instead of grep
[13:28] <Chipaca> mborzecki: lots of things to try, if only it weren't stuck :-)
[13:28] <mborzecki> and then it's magically fixed and we don't know why
[13:38] <mvo> Chipaca, cachio I have reproduced it locally, it reboots, no spread about and no network in the VM (I logged in via the virtual serial interface)
[13:38] <pedronis> Chipaca: could you look at #5441 when you have a moment
[13:38] <mup> PR #5441: many: expose publisher's validation throughout the API <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5441>
[13:39] <Chipaca> pedronis: need to go to the boys' school, but will look on my return
[13:39] <pedronis> thx
[13:39] <mvo> Chipaca, cachio fwiw, it looks like netplan is misisng in edge right now
[13:39] <cachio> mvo, so seems to besame issue we already saw for core 18, right?
[13:40] <mvo> cachio: yeah, I saw that with core18 when I was developing on it and had no working network config yet
[13:42] <mvo> cachio: I think I know what is going on, I'm rebuilding the core snap now, lets see if that fixes things, I tell you more once the build ran
[13:42] <cachio> ok
[13:43] <Chipaca> pedronis: actually had a few minutes and, well, +1 :-)
[13:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#2167 closed: many: detect local source changes <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2167>
[13:43]  * zyga -> taking the dog out
[13:55] <cachio> mvo, could be affecting some dependencies that we are installing to those imafes?
[13:55] <cachio> images
[13:57] <mvo> cachio: yes, I think thats exactly the problem
[13:57] <mvo> cachio: if the rebuilds does it I will add code to the image build to ensure it fails if the dependencies do not work
[13:59] <cachio> mvo, so, we need netplan as an estra dependency?
[14:05] <cachio> mvo, tell me if I need to revert the last image
[14:06] <mvo> cachio: give me 5 more minutes, running a test now
[14:06] <mvo> cachio: maybe it was just core that was busted, if so I will push a PR with a test in the core build script to ensure this won't happen again
[14:10] <cachio> mvo, nice
[14:19] <mup> PR core#91 opened: hooks: add a check to ensure that the image is build with ppa:snappy-dev/image <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/91>
[14:44] <mborzecki> mvo: that ppa is all that was needed?
[14:45] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, I think so, I'm looking at spread now to see if I can create a test case for the no-output issue
[14:46] <mborzecki> magic :)
[14:46] <mvo> mborzecki: heh, for some people thats their first name ;)
[14:46] <ogra_>  hippie kids though ...
[14:46] <ogra_> :)
[15:01]  * zyga testing
[15:02]  * Chipaca tea
[15:20]  * cachio lunch
[15:39] <Chipaca> pedronis: #5441 gtg
[15:39] <mup> PR #5441: many: expose publisher's validation throughout the API <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5441>
[15:39] <pedronis> thx
[15:46] <mup> PR snapd#5441 closed: many: expose publisher's validation throughout the API <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5441>
[15:49] <mup> PR snapd#5442 opened: many: expose publisher's validation throughout the API (2.34) <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5442>
[15:49] <pedronis> mvo:  I created the backported cherry-pick for it ^
[15:55] <mvo> pedronis: thank you
[16:00] <zyga> mvo: question, should I aggregate all snapd-interfaces patches in one PR where they can be realistically tested or shall we land smaller PRs and wait till enough are present to write bigger tests
[16:01] <mvo> zyga: what is pending? I mean beside the work on 5439?
[16:01] <mvo> zyga: ideally smaller ones and we test via the core18-all-tests pr
[16:03] <zyga> mvo: I'd like to write unit tests but now I think I need more from the PR with "snapd-makes interfaces show up"
[16:03] <zyga> specifically, to write more useful tests for PR 5439
[16:04] <mup> PR #5439: overlord/ifacestate: translate "core" <=> "snapd" as appropriate <Core18> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5439>
[16:04] <mvo> zyga: ok, I think also we need more, I merged 5439 and it fails on core18, but maybe I can whitelist the snap-connect test on core18
[16:04] <mvo> zyga: let me try this
[16:05] <mvo> cachio, niemeyer : I think the spread reboot hang issue is found https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/61
[16:05] <mup> PR spread#61: client: fix dialOnReboot() if the remote does not reply <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/61>
[16:05] <mvo> cachio: I tested using a spread qemu test that "rm -f /etc/interfaces.d/*; REBOOT"
[16:06] <niemeyer> mvo: Wow, nice debugging there, thank you!
[16:07] <mvo> niemeyer: thank you, it was fun to debug. I am looking into a unit test now
[16:30] <zyga> mvo: I'm cherry-picking patches from the WIP branch to improve
[16:30] <mvo> zyga: \o/
[16:31] <mvo> niemeyer, cachio I pushed PR#62 to spread with a simple unit test, let me know if I you prefer to clean it up a bit more, this was the smallest diff I could come up with for the test
[16:31] <niemeyer> joc: https://meet.google.com/muo-bdbu-fgo?authuser=0
[16:31] <niemeyer> mvo: Thank you
[16:32] <mvo> niemeyer: and no rush, I know you are super busy
[16:38] <Son_Goku> zyga: https://pagure.io/flock/issue/24
[16:39] <zyga> interesting, we should attent
[16:39] <zyga> attend*
[16:47] <niemeyer> mvo: No problem, and thanks for the test.. curious to see how you've put that in.. I thought it'd be trickier to have the ssh reboot semantics tested
[16:49] <ElDiabolo> Hi. I have installed a service using snap and then found it runs as root. Is this expected behavior? I understand snap uses apparmor for security, so this _might_ be OK.
[16:50] <zyga> ElDiabolo: hey, this is expected, yes
[16:51] <zyga> ElDiabolo: the service runs with seccomp profile limiting the system calls it can use, it runs in a device cgroup which limits the system devices that it can access and (on many systems) it also runs with an apparmor profile which limits many things including files that can be read or written, network operations that can be performed, ipc operations that can be performed and more
[16:53] <mup> PR snapd#5443 opened: interfaces: treat "snapd" snap as type:os <Core18> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5443>
[16:54] <ElDiabolo> zyga, Ah, OK. It does however break with several decades of unix tradition. My first reaction to this was "we won't use that".
[16:55] <ElDiabolo> zyga, I don't want to start a discussion on that, just wanted to point out that people with a certain experience will ract the same.
[16:55] <zyga> mvo, pedronis: I think this is ready to review and could land quickly (5443)
[16:55] <ElDiabolo> s/ract/react/
[16:55] <ElDiabolo> zyga, thx for the info.
[16:56] <zyga> ElDiabolo: instead of using unix users for privilege separation we use way more things that actually separate apps from the system and from each other; The reaction is understood, eventually we should teach ps and friends to display various confinement labels to make this clearer
[16:57] <Chipaca> zyga: ElDiabolo: ftr we will be adding run-this-service-as-a-user support at some point (but it's not on the roadmap yet)
[16:58] <zyga> ElDiabolo: right, this will create non-root users for certain snap services but really, it's just for compatibility (some software checks for this) than actual sandboxing because it's an opt-in from a snap developer
[16:59] <ElDiabolo> Thx. Train arrives, I'm out.
[16:59] <Chipaca> also some open questions as support for high uids is iffy
[16:59] <Chipaca> :-)
[16:59] <Chipaca> speaking of trains, I need to go make dinner
[16:59] <Chipaca> ttfn
[16:59] <zyga> one of my laptops used to be called iffy
[16:59] <Chipaca> zyga: was it super reliable
[17:00] <zyga> yes but was very ugly
[17:00] <zyga> it was a CE test laptop
[17:00] <zyga> still have it in a box somewhere
[17:00] <Chipaca> zyga: CE as in Windows CE? or as in Customer Engineering?
[17:02] <zyga> as custeng
[17:02] <zyga> it's pink
[17:03] <mvo> zyga: aha, I think this might be the missing piece
[17:03] <mvo> zyga: feel free to merge into core18-all-tests and push
[17:03] <zyga> mvo: I'm chopping the WIP branch, one more and I'll close it
[17:03] <zyga> each of the new pieces should be mergably by itself
[17:04] <zyga> and then you can drop all my patches from the integration branch and just merge (rebase) master
[17:04] <zyga> ok
[17:15]  * zyga -> quick supper
[17:49] <zyga> back,
[17:49] <zyga> not used to doing dishes by hand sans a dishwasher but what can I do ;-)
[18:41] <cachio> mvo, hey
[18:41] <cachio> Irunning sru I see a weird error just on artful
[18:41] <cachio> using ubuntu software
[18:42] <cachio> I see segfault when I search "snapd" in ubuntu software
[18:42] <cachio> and it closes
[18:44] <cachio> mvo, still researching it
[18:44] <cachio> the rest of the validation is done and it is ok
[19:01] <mvo> cachio: thanks! thats strange
[19:04] <cachio> mvo, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WZqYRPNeXIsjgB68GyhMTHY3F5Jema2zEp850wbP9OQ/edit?usp=sharing
[19:05] <cachio> mvo, these are the results
[19:12] <mvo> cachio: thanks, I have a look in a bit or in my morning
[19:13] <cachio> sure, I'll try to reproduce it with a new vm
[19:13]  * zyga still works on unit tests and refactoring to make it easier
[19:13] <zyga> cachio: see if journald says anything about where gnome-software crashes if you can
[19:14] <cachio> zyga, dame info
[19:14] <cachio> than syslog
[19:30] <niemeyer> jdstrand: Do you have a moment for us to catch up today?
[19:31] <mup> PR snapd#5438 closed: many: run all of main against core18  <Core18> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5438>
[19:32] <jdstrand> niemeyer: yeah. note I responded to the 'can' PR
[19:33] <jdstrand> niemeyer: I think we'd want joc too since I not particularly familiar with 'can'
[19:33] <jdstrand> niemeyer: we kinda came up with the approach together
[19:34] <niemeyer> jdstrand: I had a good call with him today already
[19:34] <niemeyer> jdstrand: We can do a quick sync and follow up with him later
[19:37] <niemeyer> jdstrand: https://meet.google.com/tos-ipox-piw
[19:37] <jdstrand> ok, just a sec
[19:41] <jdstrand> dang it. darn webcam
[19:57] <cachio> zyga, well
[19:58] <cachio> I can reproduce the seg fault on a clean machine
[19:58] <cachio> but not need to update snapd
[19:58] <cachio> I installed artfull desktop
[19:58] <cachio> search for snapd
[19:58] <cachio> and that0s it
[20:25] <cachio> mvo, core snap 2.33.1 in stable channel
[20:29] <mup> PR snapd#5444 opened: coreconfig: add support for `snap set core network.disable-ipv6` <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5444>
[20:29] <mvo> cachio: yay, thank you
[20:32] <cachio> mvo, sru completed
[20:33] <cachio> the issue I found is not related to 2.33.1
[20:33] <cachio> it is present in old snapd versions as well
[20:37] <mup> PR snapd#5445 opened: tests: add artful for sru validation on google backend <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5445>
[20:38] <mup> PR snapd#5444 closed: coreconfig: add support for `snap set core network.disable-ipv6` <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5444>
[21:06] <mup> PR snapd#5446 opened: coreconfig: add support for `snap set core network.disable-ipv6` <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5446>
[21:18] <mup> PR snapd#5447 opened: snap,interfaces: move interface name validation to snap <Core18> <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5447>
[21:22] <mup> PR snapd#5432 closed: cmd/snap-confine: fix snaps running on core18 <Core18> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5432>
[21:24] <mup> PR snapd#5435 closed: overlord/snapstate: introduce path to fake backend ops <Simple> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5435>
[21:37] <mup> PR snapd#5437 closed: tests/lib: sync the file before checking its contents <Created by chipaca> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5437>
[21:41]  * zyga hugs chipaca
[21:41] <zyga> sorry :)
[21:42] <zyga> jdstrand: could you please enqueue https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5443
[21:42] <mup> PR #5443: interfaces: treat "snapd" snap as type:os <Core18> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5443>
[21:42] <zyga> it's a simple change but I wanted you to ack it just in case
[21:44] <jdstrand> zyga: ok
[21:45] <zyga> thank you
[22:04]  * zyga EODs


[00:24] <RAOF> Dear lord it is prodictivity-sappingly cold upstairs in my office.
[02:05] <kenvandine> racarr, no work arounds, we can't get passing CI :(
[05:32] <RAOF> Hah!
[05:32] <RAOF> ¸ ≠ ,
[05:51] <duflu> ==1
[05:51] <duflu> Hmm, that's apparently an answer and a facial expression... =1


[11:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:07] <clivejo> hi kubuntu people, is adding a Google account working in +1?
[15:08] <clivejo> ooo groovy
 Hi Clive! I will have to boot to groovy to check... brb.
 Clive, google accounts are working on groovy, but there is a white screen glitch during authentication.  User must right-click and reload on the white screen to complete the authentication.
 I also verified kio-gdrive is currently working.
[16:01] <clivejo> thanks @DarinMiller
[16:06] <clivejo> what version of Qt is the groovy gorillia using?
 Groovy QT 5.14.2
 I played with QT 15.x on tumbeweed to try NVidia on Wayland, but I was unable to boot to a Wayland session with either Intel or NVidia graphics.  So I gave up that effort for now.
[16:18] <clivejo> what drivers use use?
[16:18] <clivejo> you use?
 I think on tumbleweed I was using 440.82.  On Groovy and Focal, it seems to be a mix of 440.62 and 440.82 (not sure why or how its mixed).
 nvidia-driver-440/focal,now 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6 amd64 [installed]
 But since focal/groovy lack QT 15, I am unable to follow David E's guide to try NVidia.
[18:12] <clivejo> @DarinMiller have you a link to his guide?
 hi .. can someone help with "E: Failed to fetch store:" resulting Hash Sum mismatch ?
 @clivejo, http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/running-kwin-wayland-on-nvidia/
[19:06] <clivejo> @DarinMiller thanks
 @clivejo, If you succeed in running wayland on NVidia with NVidia drivers, please share the secrets.


[12:32] <luisp> Hello, yes, there are devs here ;)
[12:33] <luisp> kyochikuto: yes, it is possible to do it. You must do it on an instance with an extra bridged interface, so you can reach your instance from outside


 Hello  … I was testing Ubuntu touch for x86 on my tablet ....omg so unstable ...
 Unity 8 is so problematic?
 Hey, you speak indonesian?
 No 😅
 I think it varies on x86, some x86 machines seem to run it pretty good while others fall flat on their face
 For me Ubuntu touch  lomiri ( CPU n4000) tablet with touch screen I very unstable . … GUI frezzes after around 30 seconds then GUI I rebooting itself , very choppy animation , even a calculator is not loading itself 😅
 Is just an empty window instead of the calculator.
 try the arch build
 https://github.com/vanyasem/Lomiri-Arch
 he has a iso on that page
 Interesting ..have to try
 @Mirek190 [Unity 8 is so problematic?], running the generic qemu build of UT for x86, on a tablet that came with android, is probably not the best idea, really
 @dohbee [https://github.com/ubports/utqemu], This is what I was looking for right now I tried qemu with arm image but it doesn't boot up
[08:37] <ubptgbot> prasaddash12 was added by: prasaddash12
[10:28] <ubptgbot> NyamkaTg was added by: NyamkaTg
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Tdw74oI4.png Hi everyone! I need help, I wanted to log into my Google account, but when I try to log in, it gives me the following error: what to do and how to fix it?
 yeah
 that is a known problem
 afaik there is no fix yet
 Do you really have to live without YouTube at all ... It's kind of hard without it
 are you logging in from Morph?
 @hacker12455 [are you logging in from Morph?], Yes
 hmm
 iirc the YouTube app in OpenStore used qtwebengine
 maybe try that
 although I can't remember if it allowed login
 Morph and Webapps use the same component
 @hacker12455 [iirc the YouTube app in OpenStore used qtwebengine], Yes, I tried ... but there is already another problem ..... there you can't open a video at all, whatever settings are there, only the main YouTube screen with videos that can't be opened and that's it
 @mimecar [Morph and Webapps use the same component], ah
 @mimecar [Morph and Webapps use the same component], Not really, I saw a YouTube client in which the login worked, and the interface was normal mobile, but there was already a problem that it was impossible to open videos or playlists, applications simply ignored by clicking on them
 Before, Webapps worked differently.
 They would have some modification. The web engine is QtEngine and it is shared
 (Video, 12s) https://irc.ubports.com/1GmFWPvy.mp4 I don't know what this person did with the engine, but here I filmed a 10-second video, it shows that the login works (the orange icon in the corner hints at this, it means that my account is logged in), but the video shows what prevents using this client .... If anyone needs this applica
[10:54] <ubptgbot> tion, or the source code, then here's a link to it, can someone based on it make a patch that fixes an error in the Morph browser: https://open-store.io/app/youtube-web.mateo-salta
[11:19] <ubptgbot> Ion Laurențiu Nitescu was added by: Ion Laurențiu Nitescu
 (Photo, 720x720) https://irc.ubports.com/XfjQTZaX.png
 hi
 so I'm curious about porting ubuntu touch to my device, a LG v30.  Right now I currently build LineageOS 16.0 and 17.1 for my device without issues. But I noticed on the website port guide it mentions if your device has CyanogenMod12.1 or LineageOS 14.1.   What should I do in this situation?
 @ShapeShifter499 [so I'm curious about porting ubuntu touch to my device, a LG v30.  Right now I c …], Porting for Android-9 devices is basically possible but still heavy WIP. We did not publish much infos right now, but you can get help in the porting group
 @Flohack [Porting for Android-9 devices is basically possible but still heavy WIP. We did …], is there a link to this group?
 or is this the right group?
 @ShapeShifter499 [is there a link to this group?], https://t.me/ubports_porting
 @Flohack [https://t.me/ubports_porting], Thank you
[12:36] <ubptgbot> Philipp was added by: Philipp
 Hi there, I've got a Nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch installed, but TeamWin Recovery (probably wanted to install some kind of Android a few months ago). When I try to update Ubuntu Touch, it reboots into Recovery, but can't perform the update because it is not the Ubuntu Touch Recovery. … Do you have any idea on how to replace the Recovery agai
[12:40] <ubptgbot> n?
 @Philipp [Hi there, I've got a Nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch installed, but TeamWin Recovery ( …], I am not an expert but the easiest way might be to reinstall the OS with ubuntu installer. But I am not sure if it is more risky to use this installer if the device is in stranger state. https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/installer/
 @Philipp [Hi there, I've got a Nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch installed, but TeamWin Recovery ( …], If you have a flashable zip or an img then you can flash it and ready to go
[15:19] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @NyamkaTg [<reply to media>], You can install this plugin (workaround). Details and infos here:  https://github.com/ubports/account-plugins/issues/40#issuecomment-629549091 … Otherwise the issue should be fixed in next OTA-14.
 @Javacookies [is that a spare device? can you try the edge channel? … I've been trying to but my …], Yes. Will try tomorrow. (it's night here). … What to try on edge? … PS. I bought another shorter Hdmi (0.3m, no brand, lower quality), but this time, its not working at all.. … Better result on 0.5m branded cable..
 @DoofMent [Hey, you speak indonesian?], I do.
[15:47] <ubptgbot> haziqzur was added by: haziqzur
 Is there any difference for ubport-installer? … I just see that ubports installation  method for archlinux is by using snap. … I use aur to install it.
[15:51] <ubptgbot> Santhosh Kumar R was added by: Santhosh Kumar R
[15:52] <ubptgbot> Usc was added by: Usc
 @dokie80 [Is there any difference for ubport-installer? … I just see that ubports installati …], I can confirm the AUR version works fine, though it's likely unsupported if problems arise since it's someone's unofficial packaging
 Ic. Thanks
 @ScardracS [If you have a flashable zip or an img then you can flash it and ready to go], Where could I get that? I couldn't find any files to Download, the Installer seems to be the only way
 @ScardracS [If you have a flashable zip or an img then you can flash it and ready to go], [Edit] Where could I get that? I couldn't find any files to download, the Installer seems to be the only way
 @dokie80 [I do.], Bisa?
[16:11] <ubptgbot> Pronab690 was added by: Pronab690
 @Philipp [Where could I get that? I couldn't find any files to download, the Installer see …], Ok, I have checked. Yeah, the installer is the only way
 @Steve Kueffer [You can install this plugin (workaround). Details and infos here:  https://githu …], The plugin has been installed, but Google still unfortunately refuses to login, citing insecurity
 @NyamkaTg [The plugin has been installed, but Google still unfortunately refuses to login, …], that is only for system login via online accounts; not logging in directly in the browser
 though i don't know why google would say that
[18:11] <ubptgbot> numano was added by: numano
[18:21] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @NyamkaTg [The plugin has been installed, but Google still unfortunately refuses to login, …], Did you enable the access to "less secured apps" on your gmail account settings?
[18:25] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> To install correctly the plugin you should: First do sudo -s, than … sudo mount -o remount,rw / , than … sudo dpkg -i "deb file"
[18:28] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> [Edit] To install correctly the plugin you should: First do sudo -s, than … sudo mount -o remount,rw / , than … sudo dpkg -i "deb file"   Than reboot device
 @dokie80 [Yes. Will try tomorrow. (it's night here). … What to try on edge? … PS. I bought a …], Haven't seen it myself but if it does work, you'll be delighted to see it and pretty sure you won't miss it 😁
 Hi  … there is some gsi rom of ubuntu touch?
 [Edit] Hi  … is there some gsi rom of ubuntu touch?
 [Edit] Hi  … Is there some gsi rom of ubuntu touch?
 @NyamkaTg [<reply to media>], That a bit a problem
 Is there a Redshift-like program for UT phones ?
 Hello! I am encountering a Problem while installing on my Xperia X
 (Photo, 964x602) https://irc.ubports.com/jHqvMn9M.png First: I did everey step listed here:
 then, using the Ubports Installer versin 0.4.20-beta, running on Xubuntu 18.04 LTS I do receive the following error message:
 (Photo, 760x516) https://irc.ubports.com/5maIaNGr.png
 (Photo, 772x523) https://irc.ubports.com/OU1FFNjr.png
 (Photo, 770x521) https://irc.ubports.com/WTpqt3i6.png
 (Photo, 772x520) https://irc.ubports.com/M1N5dlRD.png
 (Photo, 763x515) https://irc.ubports.com/uOK9KLju.png
 (Photo, 768x519) https://irc.ubports.com/iT3WahmT.png
 sorry, but copying it directly was not possible (why?)
 I am open to any suggestion!
 @CW [I am open to any suggestion!], That `0x` error has been reported before: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/1377
 thanks! Jap seems to be the same. I'll try with onboard fastboot. It worked before when flashing the ASOP  .img


[09:21] <rmg51> Morning
[09:27] <JonathanD> You broke it.
[09:41] <rmg51> you were still asleep
[09:41] <rmg51> some one had to step in
[09:58] <JonathanD> i SEE
[11:21] <JonathanD> rmg51: are you registered for fosscon?
[11:23] <jackson> morning
[11:26] <JonathanD> Hi jackson
[11:26] <jackson> hay JonathanD
[11:26] <JonathanD> Whats up?
[11:27] <rmg51> JonathanD: not yet
[11:27] <jackson> not much
[11:27] <rmg51> last time I checked nothing was listed for this year
[11:28] <rmg51> I'll check again tonight
[11:28] <rmg51> time to head to work
[12:27] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:29] <jjmiv> gobble gobble
[12:33] <teddy-dbear> JonathanD: you need to fix the Attend link
[12:33] <teddy-dbear> it takes you to the 2012 page
[12:33] <JonathanD> teddy-dbear: I di dalready, didn't I?
[12:33] <JonathanD> someone yelled at me for it.
[12:33] <jedijf> teddy-dbear: worked for me
[12:33] <teddy-dbear> not this year event
[12:34] <jedijf> or i registered for the past
[12:34] <jedijf> i registered half hour ago
[12:34] <rmg51> I was just there
[12:34] <JonathanD> oops
[12:34] <JonathanD> hold on.
[12:34] <JonathanD> jedijf: did you click the FB link?
[12:34] <jjmiv> attend for what? fosscon?
[12:34] <jedijf> http://fosscon.org/archives/656
[12:34] <rmg51> got it
[12:35] <jedijf> JonathanD: no, there ^^
[12:35] <rmg51> the Attend button at the top of the page is out of date
[12:35] <JonathanD> hmmm
[12:35] <jedijf> make it go to 656
[12:36] <rmg51> the one that says attend 2013 works
[12:36] <JonathanD> I'll look when I get to work.
[12:36] <JonathanD> oh nevermind
[12:36] <JonathanD> fixed rmg51, jedijf
[12:36] <jedijf> workshop submitted too
[12:36] <JonathanD> jedijf: it uses categories to decide whats on a page.
[12:36] <JonathanD> 656 was in wrong cat.
[12:37] <JonathanD> fixed now.
[12:37] <rmg51> it's fixed
[12:37] <JonathanD> To work!
[12:37]  * jedijf checks link he posted to the twitter and facebook
[12:37] <rmg51> already there :P
[12:38] <jedijf> ok, i posted the wepay link
[12:39] <jjmiv> cool
[12:42] <rmg51> signed up
[12:47] <jjmiv> i'll register but migh to the pay option
[12:57] <jjmiv> ok.  ttyl
[13:33] <ChinnoBunny> ima bunny
[13:33] <ChinnoDog> not anymore
[13:36] <teddy-dbear> I'm still a teddy bear :-D
[13:43] <JonathanD> jedijf: everything works now anyway.
[13:44] <JonathanD> jedijf: unless you directly link to the old archive page, that will not work.
[15:01] <rmg51> JonathanD: you don't list times :-/
[15:01] <JonathanD> Forever.
[15:01] <JonathanD> midnight to midnight.
[15:01] <JonathanD> :p
[15:02] <JonathanD> rmg51: 9am to 6 something, most likely.
[15:03] <rmg51> that's what I told the sitter
[15:05] <JonathanD> I'm having a hard time finding external eSATA drives.
[15:06] <JonathanD> at least, single ones
[15:07] <JonathanD> ah, theres lots, but they're all larger.


[01:55] <stgraber> cjwatson: When you have a sec tomorrow, can you change the mapping magic so that Kubuntu Mobile armel+omap3 and Kubuntu Mobile i386 get posted to the tracker? (there may be more but at least these two I had to post manually a few times)
[02:18] <cjwatson> stgraber: please rename "Kubuntu Mobile armel+omap3" to "Kubuntu Mobile armel+omap", and then that one should just work; that's the correct name for the subarchitecture
[02:19] <cjwatson> (also any other "armel+omap3" products)
[02:22] <stgraber> cjwatson: done, there were 4-5 of them still on the tracker though I guess Kubuntu is the only one that was affected and was still actually built.
[02:22] <cjwatson> stgraber: I believe I've fixed the "Kubuntu Mobile i386" case
[02:24] <stgraber> cool. I remember Lubuntu saying that one of their images wasn't posted too though looking at it today, all the dailies showed up so I guess someone fixed it (or it was just a temporary glitch caused by the switch to the production server)
[02:26] <cjwatson> post-qa supports Lubuntu.  If any of their images are missing then it's due to missing products on the tracker
[02:26] <cjwatson> the log I saw in scrollback indicated that "Lubuntu Desktop amd64+mac" and "Lubuntu Desktop powerpc" products were missing (from memory)
[02:27] <stgraber> ah, it's indeed likely these two are missing, I didn't even know we were building these :)
[02:27] <cjwatson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:28] <cjwatson> similarly http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/current/
[02:29] <stgraber> ok, I guess I'll need to add quite a few more products on the tracker, guessing we may have a few more than just Lubuntu. Do you happen to have the list of what failed to post because of missing product?
[02:29] <cjwatson> not to hand, sorry
[02:29] <cjwatson> FWIW the cdimage posting code has nothing architecture-specific; it basically works off the publication path (not exactly but it's isomorphic to that)
[02:30] <cjwatson> the cases are things like "kubuntu-mobile/daily-live/*-desktop-*"
[02:30] <cjwatson> ah, here
[02:31] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/767536/
[02:32] <stgraber> thanks! I was actually just about to do the exact same on lillypilly :)
[02:32] <cjwatson> that'll be complete except for whatever failed to build today
[02:32] <cjwatson> (I've already deleted the mailed logs so I don't have a convenient way to find that)
[02:34] <stgraber> ok, I'll write a script to add all of these (don't really want to add the 6 download links manually for each of them...)
[18:46] <scott-work> any know what vanilla ubuntu is using for default video player?
[18:47] <scott-work> i'm trying to align the ubuntu studio video player for precise
[18:54] <scott-work> nevermind, i think i found the desktop seed for ubuntu
[20:48] <pitti> scott-work: totem
[20:49] <scott-work> aye, i saw that, but thanks pitti :)


[01:13] <Aarch64debian> hi
[01:14] <Aarch64debian> i already had <IP_ADDRESS> linux image
[01:14] <Aarch64debian> how do i upgrade
[01:30] <guiverc> Aarch64debian, `apt full-upgrade` should upgrade kernels.. 5.15.0-18-generic is latest for jammy (I believe; what I have installed anyway)
[01:31] <Bashing-om> !linux-image-generic
[01:32] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic jammy
[01:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Our bot behind the times ? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-generic&searchon=names&suite=jammy&section=all >> <IP_ADDRESS>.18: amd64 arm64 armhf ppc64el s390x .
[01:37] <guiverc> the bot did report on what i'm running; the 0-18 was what upgraded this morning that I've not yet booted into
[01:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D Appears however that .18 is the latest version.
[01:38] <Aarch64debian> the bot did report on what i'm running
[01:47] <Aarch64debian> are you sure full upgrade will clean the old kernels
[01:49] <guiverc> it's what i use; the actual command I use is `sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt autoclean; sudo apt autoremove; neofetch`   (autoclean & autoremove I do afterwards you'll notice; i read output as my upgrades aren't usually that many as I run that many times per day)
[01:53] <Aarch64debian> neofetch`
[01:54] <Aarch64debian> what this do
[01:54] <guiverc> displays some details about box with pretty graphic... (just habit; also neofetch is pretty easy to ^R search purposes as I only use it with 'normal' upgrades
[01:56] <guiverc> Aarch64debian, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x6d6xZgRQ4/   will show the output; alas not as pretty as it appears on screen...
[01:57] <guiverc> https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch for details on the tool; but I use ubuntu repo version
[02:40] <Aarch64debian> 5.15 uses more mem
[14:16] <Laibsch> Anybody running jammy successfully with pipewire audio server?  I get it to have "pactl info" show "Pulseaudio (on Pipewire)" but all sound is muted.  https://paste.debian.net/1228729/  "systemctl --user --now enable pipewire-media-session.service" tells me that the unit file does not exist.  My guess is that I am missing a package.
[14:17] <Laibsch> brb
[18:43] <ELFrederich> Hi, wondering if someone running 22.04 could try something out for me.  Install gimp and gimp-plugin-registry, then run gimp from a terminal and see if there are errors regarding heal selection and liquid rescale (lqr).
[18:44] <ELFrederich> On 20.04 I have to jump through hoops to get it working: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/gimp-woes-in-20-04/15828/14


[06:57] <bdx> hello
[06:58] <bdx> I would like to acquire the reserved name "slurmctld"
[06:59] <bdx> the snapstore account is "Omnivector Solutions<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:59] <bdx> no rush - happy holidays!


[14:17] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:21] <szpuni> hey
[16:51] <charlie-tca> QA meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 10 minutes


[00:25] <intrbiz> running kde5 \o/
[00:25] <intrbiz> looking pretty awesome
[03:27] <mapps> hi
[03:33] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[03:36] <mapps> ;]
[03:47] <bujji> how to find load average using uptime command
[04:36] <mapps> it shows t i thought
[06:59] <SuperMatt> g'day
[07:15] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:53] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:54] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:54] <ujjain> hello
[08:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:54] <ujjain> what is cooler, a sports or prone rifle?
[08:54] <knightwise> guns arent cool
[08:54] <brobostigon> morning knightwise, ujjain and bigcalm
[08:55] <knightwise> about to swear in church but .... i just got a surface pro 3 to play with
[08:55]  * brobostigon is cool.
[08:55] <knightwise> interesting hardware
[08:55] <knightwise> nice to play around with and use it to connect to ssh :p
[08:55]  * brobostigon is just cool, but definitivly freezing.
[08:55] <brobostigon> isnt just*
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Ball Point Pen Day! 😃
[09:03] <mwludarski> Hi, I have problem with game perfromance on Ubuntu 15.04, I've installed Fglrx-updates drivers. I have a hybrid graphic Inte/AMD  and my graphic card is Radeon 7610M 2GB and I have a laptop Asus K53SK with i7(second generation),16GB Ram(Corsair Vegance) .I asked question on (askubuntu and answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/267884 but no one can not help me)
[09:04]  * davmor2 stabs his ball point pen through a £20 note, then rips the pen through the note and then shows the pen and note intact....dun dun dun
[09:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: that was just for you
[09:05] <JamesTait> Magic!
[09:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's all done with mirrors honest :D
[09:10] <TheGeek> mornin
[09:11] <awilkins> mwludarski, which games are you having trouble with? Bear in mind that the AMD drivers are famous for sucking badly.
[09:12] <mwludarski> All games I have on steam
[09:12] <awilkins> And the 7610M gets 1 star for performance : http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu/AMD+Radeon+HD+7610M/review
[09:13] <awilkins> Is this performance compared to how they run on Windows?
[09:13] <mwludarski> no
[09:14] <awilkins> And "all games that I have on Steam" isn't very specific... I'd imagine that games like FTL which are mostly 2D rendering probably work OK but games like Pillars of Eternity which render things in 3D are probably less wonderful
[09:14] <mwludarski> For example when I run cs:source on windows i have around 80-120fps on highest graphic settings, but on ubuntu I have around 20-30 on lowest graphic settings
[09:15] <awilkins> On the same hardware?
[09:15] <mwludarski> yes
[09:17] <mwludarski> I checked fps on Witcher2,Dead Island,CS:GO,CS:Source,War Thunder,Rust,Guns of Icarus, Euro Truck, Day of Defeat:source, Mount & Blade:warband
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> Those all look like intense 3D games.
[09:20] <awilkins> Yeah, Witcher 2 is a challenging game even on something as recent as a 560Ti
[09:20] <awilkins> The Source engine games, not so much
[09:20] <TwistedLucidity> Could it be that they are trying to run on the Intel chipset? I'll confess to only having experience of discrete nvidia cards.
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> i.e. using bumblebee. I am unsure of the AMD equivalent
[09:21] <awilkins> Stupid question : have you tried the OSS driver?
[09:21] <awilkins> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/open-source-amd-graphics-now-awesome-heres-get/
[09:21] <awilkins> Apparently it's the bee's knees now
[09:22] <awilkins> But not the best for games, meh
[09:22] <mwludarski> awilkin I did try oss driver
[09:22] <awilkins> WOrse?
[09:23] <TwistedLucidity> Roll-on the Steam Machines and nvidia/AMD getting a kick in the conkers.
[09:23] <popey> Tempted by a steam link thing
[09:24] <awilkins> Will Steam Machines use Mir, do you think?
[09:24] <mwludarski> nothing change but I tried them on ubuntu 14.04  Now I have 15.04 vers I will try now it
[09:25] <awilkins> mwludarski, The "not actually using the AMD hardware" thing is possibly the most likely problem
[09:25] <awilkins> Followed by "sorry, the drivers just suck horribly"
[09:25] <mwludarski> no drivers but AMD ;p
[09:25] <awilkins> I wouldn't consider buying AMD hardware just because of it's terrible performance reputation on Linux
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> Either glxgears or glxspheres will tell you which driver they run on. Let me check which one it is....
[09:26] <awilkins> gears doesn't
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> It'll be spheres then. I used that to check I had Bumblebee config'd correctly.
[09:26] <awilkins> glxinfo works too
[09:26] <awilkins> And is installed by default
[09:27] <mwludarski> I bought laptop with windows 7 but I had a lot of bluescreen so I change os to ubuntu :P
[09:27] <awilkins> glxinfo | grep vendor
[09:27] <awilkins> Lots of bluescreens?
[09:27] <mwludarski> yeap
[09:27]  * bashrc does not believe that Windows is ready for the desktop
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: True. But spheres gives a nice, simple output and acted as a (very) basic performance test.
[09:27] <awilkins> That's really only one of a few things on Windows 7
[09:28] <awilkins> BSOD ==   bad GPU driver (all too common on laptops)
[09:28] <awilkins> Or bad hardware
[09:28] <mwludarski> haha
[09:28] <awilkins> It's a laptop so it's not the PSU
[09:28] <awilkins> But it may well be duff RAM
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> memtest386 would do system RAM. Don't think it would test GPU RAM
[09:28] <awilkins> The only things I get BSOD for on modern windows, GPU drivers, failing PSU, bad RAM
[09:28] <mwludarski> glxinfo |grep vendor results : server glx vendor string: ATI
[09:28] <mwludarski> client glx vendor string: ATI
[09:28] <mwludarski> OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[09:28] <intrbiz> awilkins: Nvidia's SATA drivers clocked the most BSODs for Vista
[09:29] <mwludarski> I've checked ram 2 days agon and everything was fine
[09:29] <awilkins> intrbiz, I think they revised the driver model so that only the GPU drivers were running in kernel space
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> Will bridging from AMD -> Intel suffer the same performance hit as with nvidia?
[09:29] <awilkins> Hence GPU being the only thing that causes BSOD now (??)
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> Something about having to marshal the framebuffer wotsit across...I forget the details.
[10:32] <bujji> https://bpaste.net/show/bf4636ff969e
[10:33] <intrbiz> ?
[10:33] <bujji> yum install squirrelmail is not working
[10:33] <directhex> awilkins: no. never. i can guarantee that.
[10:34] <directhex> bujji: try a fedora channel?
[10:34] <bujji> its saying https://bpaste.net/show/bf4636ff969e
[10:34] <directhex> or centos or whatever
[10:34] <intrbiz> bujji: try asking in the chanel for the distro you are using
[10:35] <intrbiz> bujji: judging by the error message, the configured URL of the EPEL repo is wrong
[10:35] <bujji> intrbiz:okey
[10:36] <directhex> awilkins: steamos will use x.org, until x.org games run perfectly and at least 1:1 as fast under wayland w/ proprietary drivers. "at least" being important there, as there's complexity increase from changing, so tangible improvements would be needed
[11:23] <knightwise> afternoon peepsµ
[11:31] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise
[11:37] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[11:43] <bujji> intrbiz:configured successfullly but not working
[11:51] <knightwise> so , whats up :)
[11:51] <awilkins> The vector antiparallel to gravity
[11:51] <TwistedLucidity> The ISS after the oopsie, fortunately.
[11:52] <knightwise> lol
[11:52] <TwistedLucidity> perpendicular (noun): see 'antiparallel'.
[12:51] <popey> Egg banjo time!
[12:53] <ujjain> RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory < what does this mean?
[12:53] <ujjain> - /sbin/tc qdisc del dev lo root
[13:04] <ujjain> ah, already works, devs tried to del before a create
[13:25] <foobarry> why doesn't RHEL/Centos have tmpreaper?
[13:25] <foobarry> seems odd
[13:26] <bigcalm> intrbiz: ping :)
[13:26] <intrbiz> bigcalm: pong
[13:26] <bigcalm> Hazar!
[13:26] <bigcalm> OpenVPN
[13:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: yes it rock
[13:26] <davmor2> s
[13:26] <intrbiz> foobarry: to tidy up /tmp?
[13:27] <bigcalm> I've enabled client-client in the server config. My home laptop can now "see" the office printer. But it can't connect as all ports are appearing as "filtered" in nmap
[13:27] <bigcalm> intrbiz: any thoughts?
[13:27] <foobarry> intrbiz: yes, centos has tmpwatch which sucks
[13:27] <foobarry> tmpreaper is much better since it works
[13:28] <foobarry> but not found on centos
[13:28] <MooDoo> foobarry: tmpwatch does pretty much the same on centos
[13:28] <foobarry> doesn't do regex or delete directories
[13:28] <MooDoo> oh sorry didn't read your last but lol
[13:28] <MooDoo> bit
[13:28] <foobarry> so cannot do /home/*/data
[13:28] <intrbiz> bigcalm: where is your laptop and where is your printer?
[13:29] <intrbiz> bigcalm: client-client just allows two VPN clients to pass traffic to each other
[13:29] <bigcalm> intrbiz: laptop is at home. printer is at shrewsbury office
[13:29] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ok, and by 'see' what do you mean, just ping?
[13:30] <bigcalm> intrbiz: nmap <IP_ADDRESS>/24 from home lists all of the awake devices at the shrewsbury office. All devices (bar the openvpn server itself) show the ports as filtered
[13:31] <intrbiz> bigcalm: what is the default gateway of the printer?
[13:31] <bigcalm> 1.1 I expect
[13:31] <bigcalm> Which is currently the adsl router
[13:31] <intrbiz> is that the openvpn box, or the FTTC router?
[13:31] <bigcalm> Not the micro server
[13:32] <intrbiz> do you have a static route on the FTTC router?
[13:32] <bigcalm> Only to forward 1194 on to the openvpn box
[13:32] <intrbiz> ok
[13:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: get your boss to hire adam, send you intrbiz and get him to do it for you done ;)
[13:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: I don't learn that way
[13:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: I now have my own 26 port managed switch at home
[13:33] <davmor2> intrbiz: can slap the back of your head in a gibbs-esque way to help you learn :)
[13:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: so, as your VPN client is on a different network to the printer, the printer will need to know where to forward the traffic via (ie: to route it)
[13:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: by default traffic that is not for the local nic, will be sent to the default gateway
[13:34] <bigcalm> intrbiz: I thought that would have been handled by the incoming request. Like wot http does
[13:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: in this case, the printer is sending traffic destinded for your VPN client, to the FTTC router, which will drop it
[13:35] <bigcalm> Ug
[13:36] <bigcalm> So until I make the microserver the router/firewall for the office, I need to add static routes to the FTTC router?
[13:36] <intrbiz> bigcalm: routing is plain IP (layer 3), IP has no concept of a 'connection'
[13:36] <bigcalm> I see (I think)
[13:36] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you can add a static route on the FTTC router, however that probably won't work, as things dislike triangular routing
[13:36] <bigcalm> Quite
[13:37] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you could either, set the default router of the printer to the microserver (easiest way) or add a static route on the printer
[13:37] <bigcalm> Worth a shot. What route would I be adding? to route traffic for <IP_ADDRESS>/24 to the openvpn box?
[13:38] <intrbiz> bigcalm: as the printer is unlikely to need access to the interner, changing default gateway of the printer will probably be the best option for now
[13:38] <bigcalm> And it won't stop local users from using the printer?
[13:38] <intrbiz> bigcalm: route would be: <vpn_network> via <openvpn_ip>
[13:39] <intrbiz> bigcalm: no, because local users are on the same network, so routing does not come into play, packets are sent from local user -> printer
[13:39] <bigcalm> I don't mean to sound like a scratched record, but isn't that what the vpn client is doing as well?
[13:40] <intrbiz> bigcalm: routing needs to be configured both ends
[13:40] <intrbiz> bigcalm: so the VPN server, tells the VPN client, the routes it needs to access stuff behind the VPN server
[13:41] <intrbiz> bigcalm: stuff behind the VPN server, equally, needs to know where to route stuff to reach the VPN clients
[13:41] <bigcalm> proliant ~ $ telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 9100
[13:41] <bigcalm> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[13:41] <bigcalm> Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[13:41] <bigcalm> Escape character is '^]'.
[13:41] <bigcalm> Win!
[13:42] <bigcalm> That was by changing the gateway on the printer to that of the openvpn box
[13:42] <intrbiz> bigcalm: the other option, is to masquerade the VPN clients onto the local network via the VPN server
[13:42] <intrbiz> bigcalm: :)
[13:43] <intrbiz> bigcalm: where did you telnet from?
[13:43] <bigcalm> Once I move all routing to the openvpn box, I assume that I won't have to
[13:43] <bigcalm> intrbiz: my home microserver
[13:43] <intrbiz> bigcalm: correct
[13:44] <bigcalm> I'm in Shrewsbury today, so I ssh'd home via my home vpn tunnel and then used the work vpn tunnel to connect to the printer
[13:44] <bigcalm> Fun times
[13:44] <intrbiz> bigcalm: right, around the houses testing is always fun
[13:46] <bigcalm> I have another box that I could do with talking to from home. But that device does talk to the internet
[13:46] <bigcalm> I wonder if I can set a route without killing it
[13:46] <intrbiz> bigcalm: linux box?
[13:46] <bigcalm> iDigi X4
[13:46] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ip route add <dest_net> via <gateway_ip>
[13:47] <bigcalm> No, the box of tricks with zigbee in it
[13:47] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ah, it might have the older route command
[13:48] <bigcalm> I'm seeing what I can do via the web interface 1st
[13:50] <bigcalm> I can add static routes via the web interface
[13:50] <bigcalm> I can also clear out old static routes that it appears to have :|
[13:51] <intrbiz> handy
[13:51] <bigcalm> What's the Metric? I'll learn some day
[13:53] <intrbiz> bigcalm: its the priority of that entry
[13:53] <bigcalm> Reversed priority? Lower number == higher priority?
[13:54] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you can have multiple entries for a route where the lowest metric wins
[13:54] <intrbiz> bigcalm: metric could be: number of hops, latency etc
[13:54] <bigcalm> I see
[13:54] <intrbiz> 10 is the commonly used defauly
[13:54] <intrbiz> default*
[13:54] <intrbiz> or just leave it blank
[13:55] <bigcalm> It works!
[13:55]  * bigcalm bounces
[13:56] <bigcalm> Now I can stop doing work related things in my lunch break and watch kitten videos for 5 minutes
[13:57] <intrbiz> :)
[14:00] <bigcalm> Woop woop
[14:01] <bigcalm> I just added a static route to the FTTC router. Now I can ssh to my home machine from my office workstation without having to ssh to the openvpn server 1st
[14:01] <bigcalm> This should mean that I can remove the static routes from individual devices
[14:02] <bigcalm> Yep, still works
[14:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: see, I get to learn this way around :)
[14:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: come to the Oddfellows tonight
[14:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm going to try lots on at the minute though so no promises
[14:04] <bigcalm> The pub needs more odd fellows
[14:13] <davmor2> popey, bigcalm: in chromium can you try and go to ee.co.uk
[14:13] <popey> i dont have chromium installed
[14:13] <davmor2> popey: do you have chrome
[14:13] <popey> ya
[14:13] <popey> works in chrome
[14:14] <davmor2> popey: thanks
[14:14] <popey> np
[14:14] <davmor2> for me works in ff fails in chromium
[14:22] <bigcalm> davmor2: works for me in Chromium
[14:29] <davmor2> hahahaha http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/love-sex/relationships/a35998/dating-a-girl-from-wolverhampton/  popey looks like they saw born in wolves and thought they needed to write an article :D
[14:29] <davmor2> raised by wolves even
[14:30] <popey> haha
[14:53] <nucc1> so I have an SSH private key which I use to log in to 2 servers, A and B. If server A is compromised, should I assume that the attacker can is able to login to server B as me?
[14:56] <MooDoo> nucc1: i would
[14:58] <nucc1> MooDoo: so the ssh stuff is not public/private? I would imagine that the key stored on the servers is "public" and only the one on my laptop is "private"
[14:59] <intrbiz> nucc1: if you have your private key stored on server A then yes, if it is jus the public key on server A (ie: authorized hosts), then it's all about the strength of your key
[15:01] <intrbiz> nucc1: if you private key is only stored on your laptop, and the public key is deployed to servers A and B, if server A is compromised an attacker could not immediately login to server B
[15:02] <nucc1> intrbiz: i pretty much just followed the instructions here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-ssh-keys--2
[15:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: \o you like my comment then, my aim was a smile on your face :)
[15:03] <nucc1> i think private key is on my laptop only, but i'll just generate a new set of keys.
[15:03] <intrbiz> nucc1: your probably fine then
[15:03] <intrbiz> nucc1: unless you've manually copied ~/.ssh/id_rsa to an vulnerable location, you'll be fine
[15:04] <nucc1> intrbiz: no i didn't. thanks :)
[15:05] <intrbiz> nucc1: as long as you keep the private key safe, all will be fine, unless someone factors your RSA public key (which is time consuming, expensive and unlikely)
[15:05] <intrbiz> unless a debian maintainer has patched openssl again
[15:07] <nucc1> lol at debian maintainer. private key is as safe as I can make it, because it's never left my laptop, which is full disk encrypted. I guess it's safe to say only NSA/GCHQ/Chinese Mil can get it
[15:07] <nucc1> and they are welcome to my stash of sexting photos if they fancy.
[15:08] <intrbiz> nucc1: or someone with a rubberhose
[15:08] <nucc1> i doubt they can overpower me with a rubber hose :)
[15:08] <intrbiz> https://xkcd.com/538/
[15:08] <nucc1> a gun maybe, or a group of them :)
[15:09] <zmoylan-pi> in east european circles they use a soldering iron in place of the rubber hose
[15:10] <nucc1> good thing i'm just a nobody. he he. biggest threat to my computer is ransomware, i think.
[15:10] <nucc1> or one of my VPSes turning into a DDoS bot
[16:49] <Myrtti> let's see what Dell Support thinks of my laptop problem now...
[17:43] <daftykins> Myrtti: what's up with it?
[17:44] <Myrtti> daftykins: left speaker stopped working and the right one has a temperament now too
[17:45] <daftykins> ooh-err
[17:45] <daftykins> any indication that's common on that model at all?
[17:47] <Myrtti> tried googling it but haven't found any
[17:47] <Myrtti> XPS13 9333.
[17:47] <daftykins> mmm i remember it well, pretty close to ideal machine really
[17:48] <Myrtti> of course the support wants me to do the online diagnostics now...
[17:48] <Myrtti> nnnggghhhh.
[17:50] <daftykins> ah some nasty Windows prog? blech
[17:54]  * popey fancies the 9343
[17:54] <popey> still...
[17:55] <daftykins> i've got a client who is essentially picking between a Lenovo X1 Carbon and the Microsoft Surface Pro 3
[17:56] <daftykins> mobile data seemed to be a priority though, i think a Surface with a dongle stuck out the side of would be a terrible idea :D
[17:58] <popey> do they not do one with data?
[17:58] <popey> surprising
[17:58] <davmor2> daftykins: just sell them a mifi too :D
[17:58] <daftykins> seems a surface 2 might have done, but it's nowhere in the specs of the 3
[17:59] <daftykins> mmm nah, this one just *lost* an entire laptop so the more things can be in the one unit the better i think :)
[17:59] <Myrtti> could Dell have "online sound card diagnostics from the support website http://del.ly/6013B6O7F " that would work on Ubuntu? Please tell me I just can't find it...
[17:59]  * Myrtti doesn't want to nuke Ubuntu to run a bloody diagnostics test
[18:00] <daftykins> you can run executables from the Windows preinstallation environment
[18:00] <daftykins> mind you it'd lack necessary drivers at that point >8\/ nevermind
[18:01] <daftykins> that link needs a service tag
[18:03] <daftykins> powered by PC Doctor, hmm
[18:05] <Myrtti> just asked them how they would have dealt with the issue if the laptop were the Developer Edition
[18:05] <Myrtti> and double checking that they mean the Windows only tool
[18:05] <davmor2> Myrtti: there is the quick test button no idea how that works with ubuntu dells
[18:05] <Myrtti> "The Quick Test scans the hard drive, memory, processor and disc drive of your Windows-based PC or tablet for errors."
[18:06] <daftykins> it doesn't, it ties into a Windows program you are told to install
[18:07] <Myrtti> indeed.
[18:07] <daftykins> there's probably an equivalent within the EFI
[18:08] <daftykins> but then you're asking them about speakers so all those tests are useless XD
[18:08] <Myrtti> Ubuntu thinks the speaker is there.
[18:08] <Myrtti> I can hear just fine from the right speaker.
[18:09] <Myrtti> well, when that one isn't getting a weird static
[18:09] <popey> this sounds dumb...
[18:09] <popey> but have you tried running alsamixer?
[18:09] <popey> (my usb mic gets muted or low vol sometimes and only alsamixer can fix the volume level)
[18:10] <Myrtti> sure, just ran it. I can see S/PDIF, S/DIF 1 and S/PDIF 2 there.
[18:10] <Myrtti> with toggles on and off.
[18:10] <Myrtti> that's it.
[18:10] <daftykins> would a live session also rule out any such quirks?
[18:10] <popey> f6 to choose sound card?
[18:11] <popey> card should be listed at top, Intel HDA or something
[18:12] <Myrtti> live session might be a good idea
[18:13] <Myrtti> alsamixer has nothing muted
[18:13] <popey> nothing panned down?
[18:14] <popey> i had one channel panned down on my mic, oddly
[18:16] <Myrtti> live session has the same issue
[18:21] <daftykins> speaks of something more serious then, mmm
[18:30] <popey> yeah
[18:31] <davmor2> I wonder if they ran the speaker cable over the graphics chip
[18:31] <daftykins> CPU then
[18:31] <daftykins> heh
[18:31] <daftykins> i almost asked earlier if the intermittence was influenced by heat / uptime
[19:32] <Myrtti> mmmmaybe
[19:33] <Myrtti> Ive rebooted a few times now and the right speaker is fine


[18:15] <arand> I guess !oo factoid should be set to redirect to +1 ?
[18:16] <IdleOne> !oo
[18:17] <vish> !oneiric
[18:17] <arand> I what I meant :D
[18:17] <IdleOne> !oneiric
[18:18] <IdleOne> !no oneiric is <reply> Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) will be the fifteenth release of Ubuntu.  Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/?p=646 Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[18:18] <IdleOne> !11.10
[18:19] <arand> Excellent :)
[20:19] <Fuchs> ubuntu ops, you might want to keep an eye on mrstefan who is in #ubuntu as well, he just told a user in #ubuntu-de to  cd /dev && sudo dd if=zero of=sda
[20:21] <Pici> Looks like they just left, but thanks for the heads up.
[20:33] <Fuchs> oh, lolfaice is him as well
[20:33] <Fuchs> just as a sidenote
[21:54] <McPeter> juste for info
[21:54] <McPeter> DON'T CLICK LINK --> 05/16 22:41:24 |<knmsmb> FREE UBUNTU PORN FOR UBUNTU USERS! http://ubuntu.bigblackarabiandicks.tk/
[21:54] <McPeter> sources code page :
[21:54] <McPeter> http://pastebin.com/NaH4MKnA
[21:54] <McPeter> 05/16 22:41:24 |* knmsmb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>a rejoint #ubuntu
[21:55] <McPeter> crash X
[21:55] <m4v> a link that can crash X? nice.
[21:55] <McPeter> Blanck SCreen and crash X
[21:56] <McPeter> restart GDM
[21:56] <McPeter> :|
[21:56] <Fuchs> it should not,
[21:56] <Fuchs> but it clearly calls an apt:/ url
[21:56] <Fuchs> so it might install things
[21:56] <McPeter> Fuchs, but for apturl .. need sudo pass
[21:57] <Fuchs> heh, funny
[21:57] <Fuchs> it is not even a valid apt-url
[21:57] <Fuchs> it is just oversized, which might be the reason for the crash
[21:58] <McPeter> i wget differents page
[21:58] <McPeter> <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=http://unvalidatedinput.com/ubuntu/xserver-xorg/Bugs/index.html">
[21:59] <McPeter> is not funny if u click
[21:59] <McPeter> (-sic-)
[22:01] <McPeter> rhaaa
[22:01] <McPeter> :-(
[22:01] <McPeter> #ubuntu
[22:02] <arand> Fuchs: It's a general exloit, long apt urls will crash systems.
[22:03] <Fuchs> arand: hopefully a known bug?
[22:03] <Fuchs> otherwhise it would be a good moment to report it, I think
[22:03] <arand> Fuchs: Well I think it's pretty new, but I heard it via A security researcher so presumably the people involved would be notified.
[22:04] <Fuchs> good :)
[22:05] <arand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/783594
[22:05] <McPeter> i've Lucid
[22:05] <McPeter> and i crash my X :'(
[22:05] <McPeter> LTS ... :'(
[22:06] <arand> Fix was pushed 1h ago, so it will take a while to hit
[22:06] <Fuchs> good to hear (that it is published)
[22:06] <McPeter> http://pastebin.com/NaH4MKnA
[22:06] <McPeter> source
[22:09] <arand> As can be seen on line 1424, there is simply a huge apt://url there.
[22:10] <Fuchs> I already stated this :p
[22:10] <McPeter> ☭☠@⎈⁂㌶☣⚡☠
[22:11] <arand> Yeah, hmm, I need to follow the conversation better :(
[22:11] <Fuchs> no problem :)
[22:11] <McPeter> :)
[22:13] <McPeter> monster apt://url
[22:18] <arand> #ubuntu is seeing a huge flux of this...
[22:20]  * Fuchs wonders whether people are even clicking on such links
[22:20] <Fuchs> s/whether/why/
[22:21] <Fuchs> mv Fuchs bed  :(
[22:21] <McPeter> :)
[22:24] <McPeter> Lucid 	Fix Released Low <-- tss
[22:26] <arand> McPeter: Well important thing is that it happens quickly, not if it has an impressive title ;)
[22:27] <McPeter> :)
[22:29] <Fuchs> arand: just as a sidenote: p_dilla was thrown out of the german ubuntu channels more or less, since the rar file in question is an illegal download
[22:30] <Fuchs> I don't know the #ubuntu policy, but we in #ubuntu-de don't support this
[22:31] <arand> Ah, right, obviously not on #u either.
[22:31] <m4v> I don't think even freenode policy allows it
[22:32] <m4v> or maybe is just discouraged, can't remember.
[22:35] <McPeter> any clic at link on #ubuntu :(
[22:35] <McPeter> many peaople *
[22:38] <m4v> hard to say, people quit all the time.
[22:39] <McPeter> :)
[22:39] <McPeter> all mv bed
[22:39] <McPeter> :p
[22:42] <McPeter> http://blinckers.dnsalias.net/public/images/apt-bug.png
[22:43] <Fuchs> mieux.
[22:44] <McPeter> :)


[15:19] <Thaurwylth> Hey, I sort of talked about this earlier on #ubuntu and #ubuntu-fi, but I guess this is more like the correct place + didn't get much of an answer anyway. So, um. HSA Heterogeneous System Architecture, as per the HSA 1.0 specification. Or some earlier 0.x specification. What's the current support for this in the Linux kernel?
[15:20] <Thaurwylth> And does Ubuntu have some stuff related to this that is independent of the Linux kernel development right away?
[15:29] <apw> Thaurwylth_, i don't recall us differing from upstream on anything which sounds like that, if you have a pointer to the spec that might help tho.
[15:31] <Thaurwylth> A'right. Please wait a sec...
[15:31] <Thaurwylth> Also, thanks for taking note.
[15:34] <Thaurwylth> http://www.hsafoundation.com/standards/    http://www.hsafoundation.com/?ddownload=4944
[15:34] <Thaurwylth> Anyways, Wikipedia says this...
[15:36] <Thaurwylth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next#Heterogeneous_System_Architecture_.28HSA.29    For example, in July 2014 AMD published a set of 83 patches to be merged into Linux kernel mainline 3.17 for supporting their Graphics Core Next-based Radeon graphics cards. The special driver titled "HSA kernel driver" resides in the
[15:37] <Thaurwylth> So, have things evolved since then?
[15:38] <apw> Thaurwylth, that driver seems to be merged and in the mainline kernle
[15:39] <apw> beyond that it is hard to see anything else claiming to be the same
[15:39] <Thaurwylth> Then again is it only some parts or does it now have full HSA 1.0 capability? Seeing how the 1.0 specification was released only in March 2015.
[15:40] <Thaurwylth> I'd be interested in knowing especially the heterogeneous memory address and allocation capabilities, sort of.
[16:33] <apw> Thaurwylth, yeah sorry no idea on that
[16:35] <Thaurwylth> Hm, this thing called amdkfd is somehow related to these HSA 1.0 specified things?
[16:49] <Thaurwylth> The primary AMDGPU additions already landed for 4.3 include ... experimental GPU scheduler. The experimental scheduler still needs more time to bake as does the open-source R9 Fury performance. Perhaps I need to read and search these things a little bit more. Would that stuff be mayperhaps related to this question? That GPU scheduling soooort of sounds like one of the development processes that takes advantage of ...
[16:49] <Thaurwylth> ... the core ideas of HSA 1.0.
[16:50] <Thaurwylth> Oh, sorry, the first two lines, like, are a quotation.
[16:58] <Thaurwylth> Although now a friend of mine suggested that HSA compliant HW actually uses a HW level scheduler, that's like the whole point, kind of, so GPU scheduler in kernel wouldn't make that much sense.


[13:36] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys
[13:37] <Wiz_KeeD> can someone tell me if i made a bzr pull and i had two conflicts
[13:37] <Wiz_KeeD> how can i get the latest revision with overwrite
[13:37] <Wiz_KeeD> ?
[13:39] <jelmer> Wiz_KeeD: bzr revert && bzr pull --overwrite
[13:47] <LarstiQ> hoi jelmer
[13:48] <LarstiQ> jelmer: which parts of the world do you plan to see? :)
[15:01] <lduros> hi, how can you tell the location of the "parent" of a branch
[15:02] <lduros> such as when you do "bzr push :parent"
[15:28] <LeoNerd> bzr info
[15:41] <gmarkall>  ERROR: Not a branch
[15:41] <gmarkall> whoops, sorry
[23:24] <jelmer> LarstiQ: For the moment, it looks like I'm just going to visit various bits of Europe
[23:24]  * jelmer waves from Dresden :-)
[23:24] <jelmer> LarstiQ: how's life in .fi?


[01:31] <thumper> jelmer: sorry, will promise to look soon, freeze time is coming up don't ya know :)


[07:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4618 Proposed pocket
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4626 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4626 Generating diffs
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4619 Generating diffs
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4619 NEW queue (focal/libbpf). UNAPPROVED queue (focal/dwarves-dfsg)
[08:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4626 Successfully built
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4627 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[10:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4625 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (impish/mininet, impish/openvswitch). Successfully built (impish/iperf)
[11:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4627 Pending binary packages
[11:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4627 Diff missing
[12:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4627 Publish failed: Diff missing
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4628 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[12:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4629 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[12:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4629 Generating diffs
[12:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4627 Proposed pocket
[12:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4628 Dependency wait (impish/u-boot). NEW queue (impish/binutils-or1k-elf, impish/crust-firmware, impish/gcc-or1k-elf)
[13:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4628 Failed to build (impish/u-boot). NEW queue (impish/binutils-or1k-elf, impish/crust-firmware, impish/gcc-or1k-elf)
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4626 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4629 Successfully built
[16:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- slyon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4602 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (impish/systemd). Proposed pocket (impish/linux-raspi-unstable, impish/linux-unstable, impish/suricata)
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4628 NEW queue (impish/binutils-or1k-elf, impish/crust-firmware, impish/gcc-or1k-elf). Uploading build (impish/u-boot)
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4628 Diff missing (impish/u-boot). NEW queue (impish/binutils-or1k-elf, impish/crust-firmware, impish/gcc-or1k-elf)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- slyon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4602 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (impish/suricata, impish/systemd). Proposed pocket (impish/linux-raspi-unstable, impish/linux-unstable)
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4623 Diff missing (impish/grub2, impish/grub2-unsigned). Needs rebuild due to burned version number (impish/grub2-signed). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (impish/lto-disabled-list)


[13:09] <voldyman> how do you guys test ubiquity?
[13:17] <cjwatson> there are tests in the tree, otherwise start a VM and apply patches before starting ubiquity by hand


[00:00] <Solarbaby> I used a Plextor ConvertX 402U for a while.. it wasn't bad
[00:00] <Solarbaby> thats usb
[00:01] <Solarbaby> not that its really an issue these days, just make sure your plugged into a usb 2.0 port
[00:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> if you just want OTA for now, I'd check out the HDHR
[00:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> works well, gets you OTA HD and clear QAM
[00:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> support is there out of the box
[00:02] <pdxguy> what is QAM?
[00:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> digital broadcast
[00:02] <Solarbaby> I need to look into that one myself
[00:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> most stuff is encrypted through cable companies, so you don't get a lot but you get some
[00:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> and your local's in HD
[00:03] <Solarbaby> oh its over the air.. I have satalite..  not a winning combination eh?
[00:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> not really
[00:05] <rhpot1991_laptop> Solarbaby: your best bet is to keep an eye on the HDPRV 1212 from hauppauge, there are beta drivers out
[00:05] <Solarbaby> will do..   Im still living with 1 single tuner card..  Hauppauge PVR 350..  I love the card..  but I've got HD in the next room and its just sitting there
[00:08] <pdxguy> When checking things out should I be looking for chipsets or API supported or what exactly? I'm not confident the sales people will know what will work or not. Or should I just buy online?
[00:09] <MythbuntuGuest58> hello... I have been working on this MythTV box for days, and I'm stuck
[00:09] <MythbuntuGuest58> when I click watch tv, the screen blinks and it goes back to the main menue
[00:14] <pdxguy> Anyone now how well (or if at all) the HVR-950Q works?
[00:28] <pcglue> SolarBaby, do you use the Composite In on your pvr350?
[00:43] <Solarbaby> pcglue: I use the svideo input..
[00:45] <pcglue> solarbaby, what version of ubuntu are you running and what kernel version?  I have trouble with composite in on hardy.  I had to change to use the RF input.
[00:46] <Solarbaby> pcglue: im using Mythbuntu 8.04
[00:46] <Solarbaby> and I've got to say everything worked right out of the box
[00:47] <pcglue> solarbaby, are you also using the audio line in on the pvr350?
[00:47] <Solarbaby> Yes
[00:47] <pcglue> hmm, ok.  thanks.
[00:47] <Solarbaby> perhaps its your settings in Myth config that are the problems
[00:48] <pcglue> actually, video for composite in works.  I just don't get the audio from the audio line in.
[00:48] <Solarbaby> I dont remember having a problem with that.. but you might try alsamixer
[00:49] <Solarbaby> just type that in from a shell and it loads up a gui that lets you config your sound
[00:49] <pcglue> ok, i'll give that a try.  thanks.
[00:49] <Solarbaby> good luck
[05:33] <Nostahl> hi all
[05:33] <Nostahl> i just installed mythbuntu for first time earlyer
[05:33] <Nostahl> just went to restart
[05:33] <Nostahl> and it appears poof
[05:33] <Nostahl> lol
[05:34] <Nostahl> i've already done several restarts thoughout the day
[05:34] <Nostahl> but this time it wont boot back up
[06:39] <Nostahl> hrmm
[06:40] <Nostahl> hey everyone i cant get past loading hardware drivers???
[09:40] <kernel_ghost> does anyone know how i can configure a button on my remote to launch mythtv if I am not running the frontend
[09:41] <kernel_ghost> like can i configure lirc events for xfce
[09:41] <laga> you can use irexec
[09:42] <kernel_ghost> laga, sorry could you please elaborate, or point me at a config file etc
[09:42] <kernel_ghost> i see the irexec app
[09:43] <laga> you need to edit ~/.lircrc and include a new config file - in that config file, you can add the irexec stanza
[09:43] <laga> i'd assume irexec has a man page
[09:43] <kernel_ghost> laga yes reading it
[14:09] <thefish> is there a new location for http://bit.blkbk.com/mythtv-xbox.0.4.5-beta.tar.gz ?
[15:31] <Nostahl> heyey guys
[15:31] <Nostahl> how's everyone thismorning
[16:51] <Ace2016> quick question
[16:51] <Ace2016> why is the desktop gnome?
[16:52] <Ace2016> mythtv is a qt application so should it not be kde?
[16:53] <tgm4883> Ace2016, um, it's not
[16:53] <tgm4883> it's xfce
[16:53] <Ace2016> oh
[16:54] <Ace2016> it looked like gnome and had the same lack of everything in kde
[16:54] <Ace2016> lack of everything i'm used to
[17:00] <Nostahl> hey guys im getting squashfs error : sb_bread failed reading block 0xfb26
[17:00] <Nostahl> tryin to boot the mythbuntu live cd
[17:01] <Nostahl> i've tryed burning couple other cd's
[17:01] <Ace2016> you have to burn it again, and run the disk check before installing
[17:01] <Nostahl> the last one i even tryed at 4x speed
[17:01] <Ace2016> i know this happened to me too
[17:01] <Nostahl> the disks come up clean with diskchecker
[17:02] <Ace2016> i had to burn 4 disks before the 5th one finally installed
[17:02] <Ace2016> hey mine also came up ok on the disk checker
[17:02] <Nostahl> i was able to boot into it once
[17:02] <Ace2016> maybe you have to try installing over and over again? possible that settings could be having an effect
[17:03] <Nostahl> the md5sum's come up clean too
[17:03] <Nostahl> ... just checked this disk 19 errors heh
[17:03] <Nostahl> thats new
[17:05] <Nostahl> wow so far 2 of my disks came up with 18 and 19 errors
[17:05] <Nostahl> wonder if the optical drive isnt good
[17:07] <Nostahl> ima download a new copy to burn
[17:07] <Nostahl> just incase
[17:26] <anon4455> hello?
[17:40] <Nostahl> k got a clean burn it seems
[17:40] <Nostahl> its havin troubles booting up
[17:40] <Nostahl> wonder if i have some bad hardware
[18:00] <Nostahl> any of you guys experience the black and white s-video out
[18:00] <Nostahl> or has mythbuntu fixed that?
[18:16] <Nostahl> what is the installed size of mythbuntu
[19:31] <Nostahl> anyone running mini-itx boxes?
[20:19] <tgm4883> bah
[20:20] <a1fa> anybody else having Streamzap remote control issues?
[20:20] <a1fa> It works fine in the menu, but it LAGS so bad during video playback
[20:20] <a1fa> i cant even navigate through the guide if the video is playing
[20:22] <Nostahl> hey guys
[20:22] <Nostahl> im havin troubles installing mythbuntu
[20:23] <Nostahl> its stuck at 93 percent configuring hardware
[20:23] <Nostahl> for like half hour
[20:57] <jphillip> a1fa does it act the same using a keyboard during playback?
[20:57] <jphillip> could be the OSD fades, or just an underpowered system or playback profile settings too high
[21:00] <wil_> Hi, I want to use acpi wakeup. And I know that I have to translate from time_t to a normal date, but I don't know how.... Does anyone have a pointer on how to do that?
[21:17] <laga> isn't there a script in the mythtv wiki
[21:22] <wil_> @laga I can't seem to find it...
[21:22] <wil_> well, go to go for now... Will find it out somehow or else just write my own python script
[21:22] <wil_> but thanks anyway
[21:23] <laga> "man date" ;)
[21:39] <Nostahl> lol my installation has been copying installation logs for like 40 minutes
[21:39] <Nostahl> why is it taking so long
[22:18] <Nostahl> hi all i just got an error botting up mythbuntu   it says Server Authorization director (daemon/ServAuthDir) is set to /var/lib/gdm but is not owned by user 108 and group 115. Please correct the ownership or GDM configuration and restart GDM
[22:18] <Nostahl> how do i fix that
[22:21] <laga> Nostahl: did the installation finish?
[22:21] <Nostahl> aye
[22:21] <laga> even the "copying installation logs" step?
[22:21] <Nostahl> aye
[22:22] <laga> odd
[22:22] <Nostahl> it took hours
[22:22] <laga> well, maybe google can turn up some hints
[22:22] <laga> but your installation probably is corrupt  somehow
[22:22] <laga> you can fix broken permissions/ownership using chmod/chown
[22:23] <Nostahl> can you see if we can get that fixed see if thats all thats corrupt or something
[22:24] <Nostahl> yeah its bad install
[22:24] <Nostahl> saying cannot create temp file for here document : read only file system
[23:25] <Avenged-Revenge> manual recordings don't show up in recorded shows unless I do the "live tv" profile. Why doesn't default show up?
[23:42] <Nostahl> heyey all i just finnished getting a great install of mythbuntu done
[23:42] <Nostahl> and i got it all downstairs at the entertainment system and hooked up
[23:43] <Nostahl> going svideo to tv
[23:43] <Nostahl> boot splash showed nicely
[23:43] <Nostahl> even bios showed through svideo i was suprized
[23:43] <Nostahl> now im in the OS the tv display shut off lol
[23:43] <Nostahl> how do i enable it


[07:39] <toabctl> I deleted a package from my ppa yesterday but when I try to upload the package again, I get "File puppet-razor_0.9.0.orig.tar.gz already exists ..."
[07:39] <toabctl> but the file is not there. the ppa is empty: http://ppa.launchpad.net/telekomcloud/eisbrecher/ubuntu/pool/main/p/puppet-razor/
[07:39] <toabctl> any idea how to solve this?
[07:41] <maxb> By design, you're never allowed to re-upload a file name with different contents
[07:42] <maxb> Because this would break the uniqueness of versions
[07:46] <toabctl> maxb: but I deleted the package so the orig.tar.gz should also be deleted
[07:46] <wgrant> It is remembered forever.
[07:46] <maxb> Yes. You're still never allowed to replace it with different content
[07:46] <wgrant> You can't have the same version twice with different content.
[07:48] <toabctl> wgrant: so I have to introduce a epoch in the version number, right?
[07:49] <wgrant> toabctl: An epoch is an absolute last resort; if you don't know 100% for sure that you want an epoch for a very good reason, you definitely do not want an epoch.
[07:49] <wgrant> How did there end up being two different 0.9.0s?
[07:49] <wgrant> You'd usually rename it to 0.9.0+repack, or something like that.
[07:52] <toabctl> wgrant: I just used a wrong tarball for the first upload
[11:42] <DarkPlayer> hi, i have a problem with a git sync. The sync status is "The next import is scheduled to run as soon as possible." since 15 hours, is there currently any problem?
[11:43] <wgrant> DarkPlayer: Yeah, there's a roughly 20 hour backlog at the moment. I'm not quite sure what's going on, but I'm investigating.
[14:17] <janimo> is there a way to get to private Launchpad branches with https transport?
[14:17] <janimo> I get redirected to branch/location/+login  when doing a bzr branch
[14:18] <mgz> you need to use the bzr+ssh transport
[14:19] <mgz> which means you need the ssh private key of a user who's got access to the branch and the matching ssh public key on their launchpad account
[14:19] <mgz> this can be a bot though, we do that for several branches
[14:27] <janimo> mgz, I have ssh access there and access to the branch.
[14:28] <janimo> mgz, it's just this is from a remote server and I did not know whether I should use my ssh key there or I can get away with https
[14:31] <dobey> janimo: i wouldn't copy the key to the remote server, but if it's a secured machine/vm, you can probably ssh -A to it for a session, to be able to branch the branch
[14:31] <janimo> dobey, indeed I did not want to copy my private key, but I had to look into (Again) how to use my local one. Thanks for the tip
[14:32] <mgz> janimo: I use ssh agent forwarding in that scenario
[14:33] <mgz> not everyone is enamoured of that, but it works nicely for this case, if you're logged into the machine with your creds anyway when running bzr commands
[14:33] <janimo> mgz, ack, thanks. I'll just have to ask the admins to open  bzr+ssh in the firewall
[14:34] <janimo> mgz, yes, logged into an internal canonical server
[14:34] <mgz> it's just ssh, so if you can ssh out to anywhere, ther'll be fine (so, just port 22)
[14:34] <mgz> IS are pretty anti-agent forwarding... but they may have another suggestion for you
[14:35] <janimo> mgz, I am fine with any approach as long as it works :)
[14:36] <mgz> most machines inside the firewall have access to bazaar.launchpad.net on 22, they probably don't need to change anything there
[18:11] <cjohnston> Ursinha: ping
[18:11] <Ursinha> cjohnston, hi
[18:12] <cjohnston> Ursinha: hey there :-)   is it possible to tell who accepted a blueprint for a sprint?
[18:12] <Ursinha> hmm
[18:13] <Ursinha> good question
[18:13] <Ursinha> looking
[18:14] <cjohnston> Ursinha: we have quite a number of blueprints accepted for next weeks UDS that don't look like they should be
[18:15] <Ursinha> cjohnston, let me poke local launchpad to figure this out, a moment
[18:15] <cjohnston> ack
[18:24] <DarkPlayer> wgrant: any news on the git sync problem? Launchpad tried to sync but this somehow failed without an error.
[18:28] <czajkowski> DarkPlayer: I'd be surprised if we saw wgrant on at this hour of the night for him
[18:29] <czajkowski> DarkPlayer: he did say a 20hr backlog at least
[18:31] <DarkPlayer> czajkowski: sorry it's 20:31 here
[18:33] <Ursinha> DarkPlayer, he should probably be around in ~5h


[01:21] <selckin> java related buglist anywhere? i'm bored
[22:40] <margiolas> hello any good plug-in for swing gui design?


[11:10] <gatox> good morning!
[18:10] <mmcc> ralsina: I am having a hard time staying connected to the canonical IRC server, so if anyone needs me, I'll be over here
[18:10] <ralsina> mmcc: happy to relay :-)
[18:11] <mmcc> most annoying part of that - emacs ERC refuses to give up trying to reconnect, and emacs blocks while it tries
[18:11] <mmcc> 2013!
[18:36] <ralsina> mmcc: well, emacs lives in its own 1994 time bubble.
[18:44] <mmcc> ralsina (and briancurtin3 ): so I guess we still haven't actually put up the updates.json at ouc/updates/updates.json
[18:44] <briancurtin3> mmcc: is there an RT for it?
[18:44] <mmcc> it 404s, so existing clients just treat that as no update available.
[18:45] <mmcc> briancurtin3: maybe not - it was part of the 'post the mac release' RT but IIRC we said it was OK to postpone
[18:49] <ralsina> mmcc: so we need to upload it
[18:49] <ralsina> mmcc: either comment on the existing RT or start a new one for the 4.0.1 and put it there
[18:50] <mmcc> ok
[18:52] <mmcc> briancurtin3: also noticed that the update.conf file isn't in source control anywhere. need to figure out where to put it, since it might be different for mac/win
[18:52] <mmcc> to build, I put it in u1-win-installer/scripts/data  (in setup-mac, py2app picks up things in that dir as bundle resources).
[18:52] <briancurtin3> mmcc: on windows that file is created by the installer builder, it's inside of ubuntuone.xml in -windows-installer
[18:53] <mmcc> briancurtin3: is that in the new process or the old ?
[18:53] <briancurtin3> mmcc: however, i'm not sure it needs to be, it's just how it was when i came on and i've stuck with it so it's less places to keep version numbers up to date
[18:54] <mmcc> do you use win-installer/scripts/data?
[18:54] <mmcc> I should really make that a template
[18:55] <briancurtin3> mmcc: there are things in there, it could just go in there since the logging.conf and sd files are in there
[18:56] <mmcc> yeah, they get generated or copied there. only the mac template and qt.conf files are in version control in that dir
[18:57] <mmcc> ok, I'll check it in there, and in the future I'll make it a template so building with a new version number doesn't mean checking in a new update.conf
[21:14] <sysdoc> The last that I heard there was no encryption for the files on the ubuntu one system, has anyone come up with a scheme to have the data encrypted prior uploading, and have the data avaliable to both Windows and Ubuntu systems?
[23:41] <karni> Hi folks. Any Android users out here?
[23:41]  * karni seeks unbiased community/user feedback