[00:23] <cjohnston> Any CSS guru's have any spare time? ;-)
[01:11] <knome> cjohnston, depends. if it can wait for tomorrow...
[01:11] <cjohnston> knome: ya.. I need someone to take my code and pretty it ;-)
[01:12] <knome> anywhere one can see it?
[01:12] <cjohnston> I'm pushing the code up now
[01:13] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/track-page
[01:14] <cjohnston> knome: if you arent familiar with summit, you may need help setting it up so that you can work on it
[01:14] <knome> no, i'm not
[01:14] <knome> i could work on an external site too
[01:15] <cjohnston> knome: I'm at work tomorrow, but if you ping me when you have time, hopefully I wll be free to help you
[01:15] <cjohnston> knome: its all templates that depend on each other
[01:15] <knome> okay, i'll try to do that tomorrow
[01:15] <cjohnston> I guess I could technically get it all ready, and give you raw html.. but im not sure that it would all work
[01:16] <cjohnston> I'll probably ping Martin tomorrow also knome.. But we have other stuff that we need css help with if he gets to that first
[01:16] <knome> nothing against setting it up myself either, but i don't have a local web server up right now, so that would take some time too to set up
[01:16] <knome> mm-hmm, no problem
[01:17] <cjohnston> knome: it will only take ~10 minutes.. we have it set up to where its like 3 lines you have to run and it will setup a virtual env for you
[01:17] <knome> mm-hmm
[01:18] <knome> but it still needs a server to run on, or not?
[01:18] <cjohnston> no.. it can run on your desktop/laptop just fine
[01:18] <knome> right
[01:18] <knome> want to guide me through the setup right now then?
[01:18] <cjohnston> sure
[01:18] <knome> i've pulled the branch already
[01:19] <cjohnston> well.. you need to pull something else first..
[01:19] <knome> right
[01:19] <cjohnston> create a folder somewhere called summit...
[01:19] <cjohnston> cd into that folder..
[01:19] <knome> donr
[01:19] <knome> *done
[01:19] <cjohnston> then: bzr branch lp:summit
[01:19] <knome> done
[01:19] <cjohnston> what version of ubuntu are you running
[01:20] <knome> xubuntu 11.10
[01:20] <cjohnston> ok
[01:20] <cjohnston> sudo apt-get install python-virtualenv
[01:20] <cjohnston> that might not work.. it may be:
[01:20] <cjohnston> sudo apt-get install virtualenvwrapper
[01:20] <knome> done
[01:21] <cjohnston> mkvirtualenv --python=/usr/bin/python2.6 --no-site-packages summit
[01:22] <knome> can't find the command
[01:23] <knome> (i installed both pkgs)
[01:23] <cjohnston> whats the error
[01:23] <cjohnston> cant find python?
[01:23] <knome> mkvirtualenv: command not found
[01:24] <knome> there is a command named virtualenv, is it possibly that?
[01:24] <cjohnston> i dont think so, cause we are creating a virual env
[01:25] <knome> it accepts both of those parameters though
[01:25] <mhall119> mkvirtualenv is a wrapper that nigelb prefers, IIRC
[01:26] <knome> right
[01:26] <cjohnston> ya
[01:26] <cjohnston> knome: try:
[01:26] <cjohnston> workon summit
[01:26] <mhall119> I use just the standard virtualenv
[01:26] <knome> workon: command not found
[01:26] <cjohnston> mhall119: ?
[01:26] <mhall119> virtualenv --python=/usr/bin/python2.6 --no-site-packages summit
[01:26] <mhall119> no 'mk'
[01:27] <knome> with that, python is not found. is 2.7 ok, or do we specifically need 2.6?
[01:27] <cjohnston> ahh
[01:28] <mhall119> oh, install python2.6
[01:28] <mhall119> it'll install beside 2.7
[01:28] <mhall119> then try mkvirtualenv (with 'mk') again
[01:28] <cjohnston> mhall119: did I tell you I started conversation with IS about upgrading us to 3
[01:28] <mhall119> python 3?
[01:28] <mhall119> you better not mean python 3
[01:28] <cjohnston> ya
[01:29] <cjohnston> what do you want to do?
[01:29] <mhall119> you know it's not backwards compatible, right?
[01:29] <cjohnston> 2.6 isnt shipping with the next release
[01:29] <cjohnston> you dont want to upgrade to something current/
[01:29] <knome> done the virtualenv command now
[01:29] <cjohnston> knome: workon summit
[01:29] <knome> workon: command not found
[01:29] <cjohnston> uggh
[01:30] <knome> are you sure you told me to install all the necessary packages? :P
[01:30] <cjohnston> you should just need python2.6 and virtualenvwrapper
[01:30] <knome> i have those
[01:31] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'm not sure Django will run on Python 3
[01:32] <mhall119> we can use 2.7 when we can no longer use 2.6
[01:32] <cjohnston> i see that now
[01:32] <cjohnston> so we would need to upgrade to 2.7
[01:32] <cjohnston> i just wanted to avoid upgrading 2 times
[01:33] <mhall119> yeah, which hopefully won't cause much trouble
[01:33] <mhall119> should be better than the differences between 2.4 and 2.6 we had a while back
[01:33] <knome> cjohnston, maybe it's better if you just shipped me the raw html files? ;)
[01:34] <knome> cjohnston, or set up an installation somewhere where i can just see the pages
[01:34] <knome> that would be completely okay by me :)
[01:34] <cjohnston> mhall119: any idea why he still cant do workon
[01:35] <mhall119> is that some virtualenvwrapper thing?
[01:35] <cjohnston> dunno
[01:36] <knome> now i can actually
[01:37] <knome> don't know what i did but...
[01:37] <cjohnston> lol
[01:37] <cjohnston> so workon summit worked?
[01:37] <knome> well, i'm apparently now in the summit env :P
[01:37] <cjohnston> cd summit
[01:37] <cjohnston> pip install -r requirements.txt
[01:39] <knome> done
[01:39] <knome> there was some errors though
[01:40] <knome> says "compilation terminated." and stuff ;)
[01:40] <cjohnston> knome: you will have to get nigel to help you out with setting that up then.. I'm going to get html
[01:40] <knome> lol
[01:40] <knome> i suppose the html-method is way less error-prone :D
[01:40] <cjohnston> im trying to follow his instructions, which clearly arent working for me
[01:40] <knome> is there something i need to do to remove the virtenv?
[01:41] <knome> or is it just hanging around doing nothing unless i tell it to
[01:41] <cjohnston> #2
[01:41] <knome> okay
[01:41] <knome> then i'll leave it
[01:43] <cjohnston> knome: the links on this page wont work for you, but you should get everything you need
[01:43] <knome> mm-hmm
[01:43] <cjohnston> im uploading itn now
[01:43] <cjohnston> it
[01:43] <knome> sure, thanks :)
[01:45] <cjohnston> knome: this is the example that I want it to look like... http://uds.ubuntu.com/tracks/   dont worry about the background color or link colors and such.. just the layout.. "Ubuntu Tracks" on the example is the same as "Linaro Connect Q1.12 Tracks" on the page I'm sending you
[01:45] <cjohnston> html:
[01:45] <cjohnston> http://ubuntuone.com/7iY5k3PMuW61jnZWqOiPof
[01:46] <knome> so you basically just want columns?
[01:46] <cjohnston> ya
[01:46] <cjohnston> its a table i guess
[01:46] <cjohnston> but heres another thing..
[01:47] <cjohnston> the number of tracks isn't static
[01:47] <knome> no problem.
[01:47] <cjohnston> this cycle there could be 6, next cycle 12, then 9, etc
[01:48] <cjohnston> knome: I have to go spend time with the wife.. If you get to it tonight, that's awesome, if its tomorrow, thats fine too..
[01:48] <knome> .main-content ul li { width: 25%; float: left; list-style-type: none;
[01:48] <knome> }
[01:48] <knome> that's it
[01:48] <knome> you probably want to set a class for the ul
[01:49] <knome> i'll post a shot of that quickly
[01:50] <knome> http://imagebin.org/186566
[01:51] <knome> don't worry about the missing bg images or so
[01:51] <cjohnston> i hate css
[01:51] <cjohnston> lol
[01:51] <cjohnston> that's rediculously easy
[01:51] <knome> hate? why? :P
[01:51] <knome> it is
[01:51] <cjohnston> cause i dont get along with it
[01:51] <knome> you might need to force a li height
[01:51] <cjohnston> how do i add a class for the ul
[01:52] <knome> <ul class="myclass"> in the markup
[01:52] <cjohnston> right.. in the css
[01:52] <knome> and .main-content ul.myclass li { in the css
[01:52] <cjohnston> sweet
[01:52] <knome> i'm not sure how this will work with variable-height li-items
[01:53] <knome> if it breaks horribly, just ping me ;]
[01:53] <cjohnston> ok
[01:53] <cjohnston> ty
[01:53] <knome> np
[01:53] <knome> have fun with wife
[01:53] <knome> i'm going to bed next to mine now :D
[01:53] <cjohnston> ty
[01:53] <knome> good night
[01:53] <cjohnston> o/
[01:53] <knome> (4am...)
[01:53] <cjohnston> eww
[01:53] <knome> haha :)
[01:53] <knome> css @ 4am <3
[01:53] <cjohnston> the 4am part not the next to yours part
[01:54] <knome> hehe :) yeah i guessed that...
[01:54] <knome> okie, see you later
[01:54] <knome> ->
[01:55] <cjohnston> knome: ya.. breaks bad with varable height li
[10:40] <knome> cjohnston, http://temp.knome.fi/other/li-columns-css.php
[10:52] <nigelb> knome: You wanted some help with virtualenv-wrapper?
[10:52] <knome> well, not really "wanted" :) we sorted out the original problem already so... :)
[10:52] <nigelb> after you install it, you need to do restart your terminal I believe.
[10:52] <nigelb> oh cool
[10:52] <knome> thanks anyway :)
[11:21] <cjohnston> knome: how would I do every 4 li's enter a new row?
[11:21] <cjohnston> its built on the fly, its not hard coded
[11:22] <knome> with $i++ ? :P
[11:22] <cjohnston> I don't know what that is
[11:22] <knome> ha, i meant, take a variable and add 1 to it
[11:22] <knome> when you hit 5, add the class :P
[11:23] <knome> css2 can't do that
[11:23] <knome> css3 could
[11:24] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/756947/ is the entire code
[11:24] <cjohnston> I have to leave for work.. I'll be back in about 1.5 hours or so.
[11:24] <cjohnston> :-)
[11:24] <knome> i don't know python, but it is possible
[11:24] <cjohnston> hmm
[11:24] <cjohnston> ok
[11:24] <knome> can be done in js too
[11:24] <knome> but i think python is better
[11:25] <cjohnston> ok
[11:25] <cjohnston> bbl
[16:32] <daker> mhall119, nigelb cjohnston do you know why ModelMultipleChoiceField lose the order of the items ?
[16:33] <nigelb> Hrm, no clue.
[16:46] <mhall119> daker: it doesn't use the model's default ordering?
[17:03] <daker> no i want it to keep the same order http://imgur.com/hrXon, when you will submit the form django will reorder them (using pk), and i want him to keep the same order like they were inserted
[17:05] <daker> mhall119, ^
[17:14] <mhall119> daker: oh, you'd have to add some kind of ordering field to the intermediate table to do that
[17:14] <daker> shit!
[17:15] <mhall119> I'm not even 100% sure that you're guaranteed to get the same order in the POSTed form data as it exists in the <select> field
[17:39] <daker> mhall119, thanks


[04:33] <TheMurdz> Morning!!!
[05:05] <iqbal> hi
[05:09] <pavlushka> Hi
[05:09] <pavlushka> morning everyone!
[06:00] <Kilos> morning all
[06:09] <Kilos> ohi theblazehen TheMurdz Rynomster inetpro and others
[06:09] <TheMurdz> Morning! :D
[06:09] <Kilos> TheMurdz you can join us officially at https://ubuntu-za.org
[06:10] <Kilos> join us on launchpad and the mailing list
[06:10] <TheMurdz> Great thanks!
[06:10] <Kilos> list not busy so no overload of mails
[06:11] <TheMurdz> Great, all done :D. Great stuff.
[06:11] <Kilos> wow you fast hey
[06:11] <TheMurdz> Yea, haha, just had to sign in and clicky clicky
[06:11] <TheMurdz> 1Gbit fibre = no delay haha
[06:12] <Kilos> i would still be hunting where to click
[06:12] <TheMurdz> hahaha
[06:12] <Kilos> wonderful
[06:12] <TheMurdz> I'll take a look at all the goodies in launchpad in a little bit. Meh
[06:12] <Kilos> ok
[06:12] <TheMurdz> broke iptables on my server >...>
[06:12] <TheMurdz> Rather, iptables broke me
[06:12] <Kilos> oh my
[06:13] <Kilos> hard work those things
[06:13] <Rynomster> morning Kilos
[06:18] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[06:18] <Kilos> not nagging but we have an out of date topis bar
[06:18] <Kilos> topic
[06:33] <TheMurdz> Hmm, looks like the fix I put out here for Ubuntu on HyperV getting stuck on "Stopping System V runlevel compatibility" doesn't really fix the problem.
[06:34]  * TheMurdz goes back to the Google machine.
[06:35] <Kilos> oh my
[06:35] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[06:42] <mazal> Mornings
[06:42] <mazal> TheMurdz, some customer feedback if you here
[06:43] <TheMurdz> I'm here
[06:43] <mazal> Happy with your service so far. Got sms Friday afternoon that sim is with couriers
[06:43] <mazal> Your couriers called me on Saturday and confirmed my adress as well as arranged deliviry day and time
[06:44] <mazal> I like it , nice and professional ;)
[06:44] <TheMurdz> Oh excellent, Glad our couriers are on point. That's great! Thanks for the feedback
[06:44] <pavlushka> thank you mazal ! lol
[06:44] <mazal> They arranged for tomorrow.
[06:44] <mazal> How long after I received it and they do the RICA will it become active ?
[06:45] <pavlushka> Kilos: hi and oops!
[06:45] <TheMurdz> It's activated immediately. RICA is only a document process thankfully, so won't affect your activation.
[06:45] <mazal> Kewl
[06:46] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:46] <TheMurdz> Just make sure you follow the instructions included on the sim kit for the APN. I've angered the developers about not including "afrihost" as the default APN.
[06:46] <mazal> maaz tell Kilos Die sms ding werk nie. Dit gaan le op die router en bly nie op sim nie
[06:46] <Maaz> mazal: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:46] <TheMurdz> I think they got tired of me begging and it should now be the default APN
[06:46] <mazal> lol , Hi Kilos
[06:46] <mazal> APN ?
[06:47] <Kilos> iuse internet as apn i think
[06:47] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell Kilos Die sms ding werk nie. Dit gaan le op die router en bly nie op sim nie" 52 seconds ago
[06:47] <TheMurdz> Access Point Name (APN) "MTN is set to "mymtn" That's how they allocate data for other providers.
[06:47] <mazal> Hang on let me write down
[06:47] <TheMurdz> Afrihost = afrihost, mtn = "mymtn" internet is used by,,, not sure haha
[06:47] <Kilos> mazal install modem-manager-gui and look for sms
[06:47] <TheMurdz> But don't put mymtn, make sure all your APNs for the device using the afrihost sim is set to "afrihost"
[06:48] <mazal> So at APN setting on router I must just put "Afrihost" ?
[06:49] <mazal> Kilos, it's ok , I find them on router now that I know they go there
[06:49] <Kilos> ok
[06:49] <TheMurdz> That's correct, I usually do it with a lowercase "a". I'm paranoid like that.
[06:50] <mazal> Ok will look for that thanx
[06:51] <mazal> This is a MTN router so will probably be on mymtn
[06:52] <TheMurdz> most likely
[06:52] <mazal> Ok guys I'm off. Gotta safe money. Have a good day all
[06:52] <Kilos> you too
[06:52] <mazal> TheMurdz, will give feedback tomorrow after I got the sim
[06:53] <mazal> Cheers
[06:53] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:53] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm not nagging but can you please put together a new Agenda
[06:54] <Kilos> oh my
[06:54] <TheMurdz> Sweet, Thanks!
[06:54] <Kilos> chesedo ping
[06:56] <Kilos> inetpro dankie oom
[06:57] <Kilos> ill hear what chesedo wants to do with the agenda
[06:59] <Langjan> Goeiemore Kilos het jy lekker geslaap?
[06:59] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[06:59] <Kilos> wat het jy gebreek
[06:59]  * Kilos hides
[07:00] <Langjan> jy maak my skaam!
[07:00] <Kilos> ek  het te veel geslaapen jy
[07:00] <Langjan> Lekker dankie
[07:00] <Kilos> ek terg net man
[07:01] <Kilos> ek het gister jou epos gekry na jy hier klaar was
[07:01] <Kilos> haha
[07:01] <Langjan> Ek moet elke keer as ek my lappie aansit die plek waar hy moet "boot" uit 'n lys opsies kies, is dit 'n grub probleem?
[07:02] <Kilos> probeer sudo update-grub
[07:02] <Langjan> ok dankie
[07:02] <Kilos> ek hoop dit doen die job
[07:03] <Kilos> ek het ook een keer so prob gehad maar kannie onthou hoe ek dit reg gemaak het nie
[07:04] <Kilos> even open synaptic and type in grub at the top and right click reinstall then all that show installed
[07:05] <Kilos> grub-pc grub-pc-bin etc
[07:05] <Langjan> OK it still does the same, "select boot device" - then boots anyway after a 10 second delay which is fine I suppose, sometimes one does want to select the device.
[07:05] <Kilos> you can change the 10 secs to less if you like
[07:06] <Kilos> it is just showing you the options
[07:06] <Langjan> Yes but I think its fine as it is
[07:06] <Kilos> so if the latest one goes faulty you can use recovery on an earlier one
[07:07] <Kilos> mine is at 10 secs as well
[07:07] <Langjan> No its just boot devices, a screen that looks like bios
[07:08] <Kilos> take a screeshot of it for interests sake
[07:08] <Kilos> how many devices can you have in a laptop
[07:09] <Kilos> dvd and drive and usb
[07:09] <Langjan> Funny names but basically thats it
[07:10] <Kilos> thats is most likely the bios
[07:10] <Kilos> i thought you were talking about the grub start page
[07:11] <Langjan> No it shows a bios screen
[07:11] <Langjan> after the grub start page
[07:12] <Kilos> well, as long as it boots ignore what you see
[07:12] <Kilos> hehe
[07:13] <Langjan> ok just thought I must offer a excuse for dropping in so as to not disappoint you
[07:14] <Kilos> hahahaha
[07:14] <Kilos> skelm toppie
[07:14] <Langjan> Ja dit kom met ervaring
[07:14] <Kilos> haha
[07:15] <Langjan> Jy sal ook nog eendag leer
[07:15] <Langjan> wanneer jy grootword
[07:15] <Kilos> ek hoop so
[07:15] <Langjan> Hoop jy kom nou gou reg met jou visa
[07:16] <Kilos> dankie ek ook
[07:16] <Langjan> Jy gaan in die koue Kaapse weer daar aanland
[07:17] <Kilos> ja dit pla bietjie maar sal net in die bed bly
[07:17] <Langjan> Goeie plan
[07:18] <Kilos> als goed daar
[07:18] <Langjan> Mooi loop ou vriend
[07:18] <Kilos> w2atse reserfaat is dit
[07:18] <Kilos> bushtech bly ook op een
[07:19] <Kilos> vaalkop dm
[07:19] <Kilos> dam
[07:19] <Langjan> Laat weet as daar vordering is. Reservaat?
[07:19] <Kilos> daai ding ja
[07:19] <Kilos> ek sal laat weet
[07:19] <Langjan> Waarvan praat jy vriend? Reservaat?
[07:20] <Kilos> nog nie my boere hoed op nie
[07:20] <Kilos> ja
[07:20] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[07:20] <Langjan> Jammer ek is nie met jou nie
[07:20] <Kilos> hy thatgraemeguy
[07:20] <Langjan> hi thatgraemeguy
[07:20] <Kilos> bly jy nie op n reservaat nie
[07:21] <Kilos> consevation area
[07:21] <Kilos> of so iets
[07:21] <Langjan> Nee in 'n aftree-kompleks, daar is 75 eenhede en jy moet bo 50 wees
[07:21] <Kilos> o ok
[07:21] <Langjan> Ek stuur vir jou fotos via e-pos
[07:22] <Kilos> ok
[07:26] <Langjan> Gekry?
[07:27] <Kilos> ek kyk
[07:27] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:27] <Kilos> mooi ne
[07:28] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[07:29] <Cryterion> Morning
[07:29] <Langjan> Ja ons bly baie lekker
[07:30] <Kilos> waar is die vrugte bome
[07:30] <Kilos> ek plant nie n boom wat nie kos gee nie
[07:31] <Langjan> Daar is twee mangobome wat goed dra, een vroeg en die ander laat, dan 'n minneola en papaja wat dra en ek het nou vye en druiwe geplant
[07:31] <Kilos> mooi
[07:31] <Langjan> my avocados wat ek laas jaar gepalnt het, het in die droogte en hitte gevrek sal maar weer probeer
[07:32] <Kilos> ai!
[07:32] <Langjan> Hierdie in 'n wonderlike area vir vrugte, al die subtropiese sowel as die hoëveldvrugte groei goed
[07:33] <Kilos> ja daai kant van die berg is baie beter as hier
[07:33] <Langjan> en ons is baie lief vir vrugte
[07:33] <Kilos> hier vrek als in die winter
[07:33] <Kilos> net pekan neute doen goed
[07:33] <Langjan> Ek hou so baie van litchis, het met een getrou
[07:33] <Langjan> ja ek vrek ook in die koue
[07:33] <Kilos> ja hulle lekker
[07:34] <Kilos> haha
[07:34] <Langjan> Juanita was leach
[07:34] <Langjan> Leach
[07:34] <Langjan> Leachie
[07:34] <Kilos> en jy ie
[07:34] <Langjan> Litchi
[07:34] <Kilos> haha
[07:35] <Langjan> OK ek moet ophou klets, het werk om te doen en jy ook
[07:35] <Langjan> ?
[07:36] <Kilos> geniet jou dag
[07:36] <Langjan> Dankie Kilos jy ook
[09:02] <chesedo> morning all
[09:02] <chesedo> pong Kilos
[09:03] <pavlushka> morning chesedo !
[09:04] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[09:04] <Kilos> can you sort the agend for the meeting sometime please
[09:04] <chesedo> Kilos: will check soon...
[09:04] <Kilos> the pro did the topic
[09:04] <Kilos> ty
[09:24] <chesedo> Kilos: the linuxconza / linuxfestza can now probable be removed from the agenda, right?
[09:24] <Kilos> yessir
[09:24] <chesedo> and the release party?
[09:24] <Kilos> the release party we decide after release because dvds get ordered
[09:25] <Kilos> it can stay on agenda
[09:26] <chesedo> great ty sir :D
[09:26] <Kilos> :D
[09:28] <chesedo> oh do you still want to keep the 'get involved with lugs' line with the removal linuxconfza
[09:28] <chesedo> Kilos: ^^
[09:30] <chesedo> anyway it is up (can still remove that if needed)
[10:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:03] <Kilos> i dunno bout the linux confza
[10:04] <Kilos> you ave been trying to contact them
[10:04] <Kilos> they are to slack to get involved
[10:04] <anton_may> ello all
[10:05] <chesedo> hey only kmf responded... and tuks said they are 'few'
[10:05] <chesedo> ooi anton_may
[10:06] <anton_may> is anybody experiencing peering (packet loss)?
[10:06] <Kilos> well
[10:07] <Kilos> maybe we can just discuss how we can get them to sit up and take notice
[10:07] <Kilos> oh
[10:07] <Kilos> and saying they are few is a feeble excuse
[10:07] <Kilos> everything starts from 1
[10:08] <Kilos> hi anton_may
[10:08] <chesedo> nope anton_may
[10:08] <anton_may> ok, looks like there is a peering issue between Neotel & SAIX
[10:10] <chesedo> Kilos: guess we'll sort it then
[10:10]  * chesedo goes to lurk mode - has to work on an assignment for Wed
[10:11] <Kilos> ok ty
[10:11] <Kilos> we have time anyway
[10:11] <Kilos> 15 days still
[10:30] <Kilos> hi skokkk
[10:38] <skokkk> hey Kilos, long time!
[10:43] <Kilos> yip
[10:43] <Kilos> ive always been here
[10:49] <pavlushka> can anyone tell me how I can set the TIMEZONE option in LP?
[10:56] <inetpro> pavlushka: click on your name at the top right to go to your user information
[10:57] <inetpro> pavlushka: then click on the yellow icon with a pen to the right of "Time Zone:"
[11:02] <pavlushka> inetpro: if I had that I would have done that already, in my LP, the option is not showing.
[11:05] <inetpro> pavlushka: https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editlocation
[11:08] <pavlushka> inetpro: it worked, thanks but there was no gui way of it for my profile to my knowledge!
[11:09] <pavlushka> tell me if I am wrong.
[11:09] <inetpro> what browser?
[11:09] <pavlushka> its firefox.
[11:10] <inetpro> well, log a bug if you're concerned
[11:10] <pavlushka> yes, I am gonna
[11:18] <inetpro> pavlushka: http://www.awesomescreenshot.com/0465s5stb2
[11:19] <inetpro> that is what it should look like
[11:20] <inetpro> obviously weith the red arrow and writing added by me
[11:20] <pavlushka> but b4 you set it how it looks like?
[11:20] <inetpro> mine was always set from the day I signed up
[11:21] <inetpro> since 2006-05-26
[11:22] <pavlushka> understood, :|
[12:04] <thatgraemeguy> anyone making significant use of ipsec in prodution env?
[12:04] <thatgraemeguy> running on a linux server that is
[12:33] <inetpro> RT @jimjag Let's see now, I have Slack, HipChat, IRC, Skype, Mail and Lync all open... Yep. Much better than just IRC and Email. #Progress
[12:35] <inetpro> plus Mattermost, Telegram, Whatsapp, Hangouts, ....
[13:07] <MaNI> one chat program per person you know, the future is here
[14:11] <pavlushka> Hey inetpro , I might need your help, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1568806
[14:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: I have set every other option in my LP profile if its gui or not, am I that stupid not being able to set timezone if there was no problem?
[14:30] <inetpro> pavlushka: and how can I help you with that?
[14:36] <pavlushka> no you cant, I am just trying to find some consolation.
[14:36] <pavlushka> that way
[14:38] <pavlushka> just see what that person is saying, I have registered my gpg keys, ssh keys, signed code of conduct being that stupid?
[14:39] <pavlushka> is that makes sense?
[14:50] <inetpro> technically a web interface is not a GUI
[14:53] <Kilos> pavlushka havent you joined bangladesh on lp
[15:04] <pavlushka> inetpro: then what it is? a CLI? where you can work with your mouse?
[15:04] <pavlushka> Kilos: Yes.
[15:05] <inetpro> pavlushka: it's a web interface or WUI for short if you want but not a GUI
[15:05] <pavlushka> inetpro: isn't it Graphical?
[15:07] <pavlushka> inetpro: ok you might win the case with your arguments but will that solve the issue?
[15:07] <inetpro> pavlushka: was just saying because I can't answer your other questions
[15:07] <Kilos> pavlushka then lp should recognise you
[15:08] <inetpro> you probably needed a simple forced refresh
[15:09] <pavlushka> inetpro: what do you mean by that?
[15:09] <pavlushka> Kilos: recognize me on what?
[15:09] <Kilos> on other lp pages
[15:10] <inetpro> pavlushka: https://www.google.co.za/search?q=browser+force+page+refresh
[15:10] <Kilos> like i joined lp on za page now it knows my timezone
[15:10] <inetpro> pavlushka: The Difference Between Web Design and GUI Design https://www.nngroup.com/articles/the-difference-between-web-design-and-gui-design/
[15:19] <pavlushka> Kilos: you have joined many other local teams.
[15:19] <Kilos> yes many in africa
[15:22] <pavlushka> Kilos: they have different time zones.
[15:23] <Kilos> yes but lp knows where i first joined i think
[15:23] <Kilos> hi qwebirc20258
[15:23] <Kilos> welcome to u buntu-za
[15:24] <qwebirc20258> Hi. Thanks
[15:25] <qwebirc20258> How does things work here?
[15:26] <Kilos> what would you like to know
[15:26] <Kilos> this is the south african ubuntu support channel
[15:27] <Kilos> if you need help just state clearly what with and someone will help you
[15:27] <qwebirc20258> I am new to Ubuntu and would like to know where I may post questions and also where I can contribute.
[15:28] <Kilos> right here
[15:28] <Kilos> what system are you using?
[15:29] <Kilos> we have all linux users here not just ubuntu
[15:29] <qwebirc20258> Good. How does the meetings work on this channel? Is there a standard agenda?
[15:29] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1MoSxpQ
[15:30] <Kilos> that is our agenda so far for our meeting on the 26th here at 8.30pm
[15:32] <Kilos> are you using ubuntu qwebirc20258 ?
[15:32] <qwebirc20258> I have Ubuntu 14.04 and Suselinux
[15:33] <Kilos> cool then get a proper irc client installed then you dont have to come here from the site
[15:33] <Kilos> id suggest hexchat
[15:34] <Kilos> xchat also works but there was talk of it not being supported anymore
[15:34] <qwebirc20258> Thanks. I will. Was just browsing as I registered on the mailing list today.
[15:38] <Kilos> cool
[15:38] <Kilos> you can also join us on launchpad also from the site there
[15:41] <qwebirc20258> What is the address and port to connect?
[15:43] <Kilos> channel is #ubuntu-za and it should allocate a port automagically
[15:43] <Kilos> and you must choose freenode then edit it and add #ubuntu-za
[15:44] <Kilos> otherwise you go to the main ubuntu channel
[15:45] <Mariusoft> Hi Kilos
[15:45] <Kilos> hi Mariusoft
[15:46] <Mariusoft> Okay, thanks for helping, I am in
[15:46] <Kilos> thats better hey
[15:46] <Mariusoft> Much better
[15:46] <Kilos> you are welcome
[15:46] <Kilos> thats why we are here most of the time
[15:47] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[15:48] <Mariusoft> Where can I get more info on Launchpad, like a training session? I did read around on the site, but I am lost.
[15:48] <Kilos> what do you need to know ill try help
[15:49] <Kilos> give me the link you are on then ill go look
[15:50] <Mariusoft> It looks like one can create an application there, or more than one. I would like to find out if I can add a PHP application with a MySQL DB?
[15:50] <Mariusoft> Then if a application is developed, where does it run from?
[15:50] <Kilos> someone here will be able to answer you just hang tight and be patient
[15:51] <Mariusoft> Thanks
[15:51] <Kilos> most are on the way home or just arrived
[15:51] <Cryterion> ?? app developed! would normally run from here it's been put!
[15:51] <Kilos> we built our site there
[15:51] <Cryterion> Hi everyone
[15:51] <Kilos> hi Cryterion you take over
[15:52] <Cryterion> Ok, Hi Mariusoft
[15:52] <Mariusoft> HHi
[15:52] <Cryterion> What type of app are you questioning about, sorry missed previous text
[15:52] <Mariusoft> Can you guide me to a traing course for launchpad, hou the system works?
[15:53] <Cryterion> hmm, inetpro prob best, I'm still learning myself, but what problems are you having and might be able to help a bit from there
[15:54] <Mariusoft> I would like to develope a vacation app. I started in Ionic for smartphone. But then, when I joined Ubuntu I saw Launchpad and thought it would be greate to do it here.
[15:55] <Cryterion> I'll have a look quickly, see hat I can come up with, as I normally use git for code
[15:57] <Kilos> chesedo jump in here as well
[15:58] <Kilos> here is something to look at so long Mariusoft
[15:58] <Mariusoft> I have started a project called vacation, now where do I add code?
[15:58] <Kilos> https://support.apple.com/kb/PH21859?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
[15:58] <chesedo> Kilos: let me just get my bathing suit :P
[15:58] <Kilos> lol
[16:00] <Mariusoft> Kilos, is this Apple launchpad the same as Ubuntu Launchpad?
[16:00] <Kilos> i have no idea, maybe that was a bad link to give
[16:00] <Kilos> ill let the clever guys guide you
[16:01] <Cryterion> To me, it looks so far like you upload via github, and then link the code into lauchpad from there
[16:01] <Kilos> most are here after 8.30 when family time has been served
[16:01] <Cryterion> some of us are single and live alone
[16:02] <Kilos> yeah thats why you helping now
[16:02] <Mariusoft> Thanks Cryterion, I will check it out.
[16:02] <Kilos> and chesedo
[16:02] <Kilos> hehe
[16:02] <chesedo> Mariusoft: launchpad is a version control system like git... you will have to develop the code locally and can then use launchpad to bugs tracking, distribution etc.
[16:02] <Cryterion> Mariusoft https://help.launchpad.net/Code/QuickStart
[16:03] <Mariusoft> Okay, so it is not a development site, only version control?
[16:03] <Cryterion> you can either use github or bazaar
[16:03] <chesedo> as far as i know, yes
[16:03] <Cryterion> Looks that way
[16:04]  * Cryterion needs the rip this w key out keyboard and clean it, grrr
[16:04] <Mariusoft> Okay, then I will stay on Ionic for now.
[16:05] <Cryterion> You could prob link directly there too, saw something in the guide about linking to external sites
[16:05] <Mariusoft> How do I go about developing apps for Ubuntu? And what language is used for the development?
[16:06] <Kilos> https://developer.ubuntu.com/
[16:06] <chesedo> Mariusoft: you used to HTML and js?
[16:07] <Mariusoft> Yes and Angular JS
[16:08] <Cryterion> Mariusoft try QT creator and code:blocks
[16:08] <chesedo> If you want to target new devices then you'll feel at home with QML (is a combination of css and js)
[16:09] <Cryterion> I do most things in c/c++
[16:09] <chesedo> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/
[16:09] <Mariusoft> Okay, thanks, I will try QT and QML
[16:10] <Cryterion> QT's nice for desktop apps, code::blocks gives a range of code options, including plugins for different platforms (including QT) although QT itself has the form designer built in
[16:11] <chesedo> Webapps can also use Cordova (if memory correct) if you know that too
[16:13]  * Cryterion has a working w key again, yay
[16:13] <Mariusoft> Yip. I am sorted for now. Thanks!
[16:13] <Cryterion> great
[16:14] <Cryterion> Anyone know the planned upgrade proceedures from 14.04 to 16.04
[16:15] <Cryterion> I.E. do I have to upgrade to 15.10 first?
[16:16] <Kilos> no
[16:16] <Kilos> 14.04 will go direct to 16.04
[16:17] <Cryterion> ok kwl
[16:17] <chesedo> Kilos: log into mattermost
[16:17] <Kilos> oh my
[16:18] <chesedo> and all others interested in the Ubuntu for Hope logo can find it there too
[16:18] <Kilos> ive lost the link chesedo
[16:18] <chesedo> mattermost.popey.com/ubuntu
[16:19] <chesedo> brr...
[16:19] <chesedo> http://mattermost.popey.com/ubuntu
[16:19] <Kilos> going there now
[16:20] <Cryterion> lol @chesedo
[16:21] <Kilos> lol
[16:22] <chesedo> lol??? lol
[16:24] <Kilos> we may lol if we feel like it
[16:26]  * Cryterion actually just smiled and giggled a bit, but the general expression sent out via electronic from is lol
[16:32] <Kilos> bad connection today
[16:34] <chesedo> well don't lol between the clown acts, rather during :P
[16:43] <pavlushka> inetpro: now look at it https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1568806, now i might call him a stupid expert, I am not logged in?
[16:45] <Kilos> he is on family time pavlushka and dinner most likely
[16:46] <pavlushka> ok, lol, bad timing.
[16:51] <Kilos> pavlushka what was that site with ubu ntu pics and banners we joined
[16:52] <Kilos> dunno why space keeps jumping in
[16:55] <pavlushka> Ubuntu Bangladesh team and launchpad bengali translator i guess.
[16:55] <Kilos> no man
[16:56] <pavlushka> i guessed so that i didn't get your Q actually.
[16:56] <pavlushka> please rephrase.
[16:56] <Kilos> im trying to remember
[16:57] <Kilos> they have ubuntu goodies there i think
[16:58] <pavlushka> ubuntu marketing/ spreadubuntu
[16:59] <Kilos> spreadubuntu maybe
[17:00] <Kilos> yeah thats it ty
[17:00] <pavlushka> with Ruben Romero yes.
[17:01] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:01] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[17:01] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[17:02] <mazal> Evening
[17:03] <mazal> oom Kilos around ?
[17:03] <pavlushka> Kilos gone eating.
[17:03] <mazal> K thanx
[17:03] <pavlushka> hi mazal !
[17:03] <mazal> Hi pavlushka
[17:04] <pavlushka> had your supper?
[17:05] <pavlushka> or you can have your supper meanwhile, :p
[17:06] <pavlushka> Maaz and me keeping an eye on the others by that time.
[17:06] <Maaz> pavlushka: Excuse me?
[17:06] <mazal> Oh wow ok nevermind, I've come right
[17:06] <pavlushka> maaz you are excused
[17:06] <Maaz> pavlushka: I already know stuff about you
[17:07] <mazal> Figured out how to run a command from router to get data balance
[17:07] <pavlushka> wow,
[17:07] <mazal> USSD command , who knew that's what it does
[17:07] <pavlushka> which brand, which model?
[17:08] <mazal> No more putting sim in phone to send command
[17:08] <mazal> Huwei B315
[17:08] <mazal> Now just to remember it
[17:08] <pavlushka> its those command you run in your phone to recgarge and registration.
[17:08] <pavlushka> *recharge
[17:08] <mazal> Yeah the command that request balances
[17:09] <pavlushka> yep
[17:09] <mazal> Always so annoying to have to run it from phone , but now I run it from the router web interface
[17:09] <mazal> ( cos telkom's web site doesn't want to work )
[17:09] <mazal> So had to find another way
[17:09] <pavlushka> \o/ yea
[17:10]  * mazal goes to create doc for this
[17:33] <pavlushka> mazal: wb
[17:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:35] <mazal> Shees you pull out one little cable
[17:35] <mazal> Hi oom Kilos , was looking for you
[17:35] <Kilos> i see ya
[17:36] <mazal> Guess what happened this afternoon
[17:36] <Kilos> tell me
[17:36] <mazal> Telkom called , my router arrived :)
[17:36] <Kilos> haha
[17:36] <mazal> Now I am properly up and running again
[17:36] <Kilos> see you swore at them for nothing
[17:36] <mazal> And tomorrow the Afrihost sim card arrives lol
[17:37] <mazal> So I went from 6 weeks no connections to 2 options in only 3 days hehehehe
[17:37] <Kilos> then what you going to do with 2
[17:37] <mazal> Will use up the Afri and downgrade it to lowest
[17:37] <mazal> Keep it as backup
[17:37] <Kilos> ah
[17:38] <mazal> Telscum is contract so can't change it
[17:38] <Kilos> well thats wise with all you games upgrading
[17:38] <mazal> I struggled to register on site to see my data though
[17:38] <mazal> Wanted help with that
[17:38] <Kilos> telkom?
[17:39] <mazal> Yeah
[17:39] <mazal> Keeps saying wrong ID/Mobile number combination
[17:39] <Kilos> try this in browser
[17:39] <Kilos> https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=207988864261996048
[17:39] <mazal> Think it's not registered everywhere yet ?
[17:40] <mazal> Ok what just happened ?
[17:40] <mazal> I click on that link and all my info is in it ?
[17:41] <Kilos> yes it reads the sim
[17:41] <mazal> It looks almost like the site I was on
[17:41] <Kilos> it most likely is
[17:42] <Kilos> only this way reads the sim
[17:42] <mazal> I was on " My telkom " , then you must link the account. And there it fails
[17:43] <mazal> But , then I found a neat way to run a command from the router to get the info :)
[17:43] <Kilos> i have battled with that so i have this link opening when browser opns
[17:44] <mazal> This router support USSD commands
[17:44] <mazal> So one just runs the command *188# ( like you would have from a phone.
[17:44] <mazal> Then the reply sms with the info goes to the router's sms section
[17:45] <mazal> Never knew one could do that :P
[17:45] <Kilos> just try modemmanager-gui
[17:45] <Kilos> see if it can see sms stuff
[17:46] <mazal> I will just use this link oom gave me , works fastest
[17:46] <Kilos> ya but you cant see smses
[17:47] <mazal> I can , router has a section for it
[17:47] <Kilos> ok
[17:47] <Kilos> then you setup
[17:47] <mazal> SMS menu , inbox , and there they are
[17:48] <mazal> So what would this be: " Campaign Welcome Bonus Messaging "
[17:48] <mazal> It expires Sunday
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:49] <mazal> Probably a few free sms's
[17:49] <Kilos> check
[17:49] <Kilos> maybe data
[17:49] <mazal> Nah the data is both there
[17:50] <Kilos> on that link i gave you you can buy airtime and data
[17:50] <mazal> Kewl
[17:52] <mazal> It helps knowing the right people
[17:52] <Kilos> lol
[17:52] <mazal> I go update xbox
[17:53] <Kilos> i hated taking sim from modem to fone everytime i needed airtime or data
[17:53] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:55] <mazal> Yeah I despised that already just this few days I used my phone sim. in-out , in-out.
[17:56] <mazal> Can't be good for the sim itself either
[17:56] <Kilos> yeah must cause some wear and tare
[17:57] <mazal> Wish there was a way I could transfer the unused data on my phone sim to a friend
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah thats a seriously missing action
[17:58] <Kilos> i spent much time on fone asking about that
[17:58] <Kilos> with all the mobile providers
[17:59] <Kilos> but now with telkom when i buy airtime i get it for my cell then transfer it to modem then get data
[18:00] <Kilos> because you get free minutes for the same value and if it goes to the modem you lose it
[18:00] <superfly> my ears are burning again
[18:01] <Kilos> why superfly ?
[18:01] <superfly> Kilos: I heard my name mentioned somewhere
[18:01] <Kilos> hours ago
[18:01] <Kilos> in mattermost as well
[18:01] <Kilos> but you have that info on telegram as well
[18:06] <mazal> Hi superfly
[18:06] <mazal> hey , that rhymes
[18:06] <superfly> hi mazal
[18:06] <superfly> (that doesn't)
[18:06] <mazal> hehehe
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <mazal> Kewl , xbox updated , time for a lag test :P
[18:10] <inetpro> good evenining
[18:10] <inetpro> oops, I mean morning
[18:10] <inetpro> or what is the time anyway
[18:11] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:11] <inetpro> oh yeah, hi Kilos
[18:11] <Kilos> say hi then you are always right
[18:11] <inetpro> thanks you
[18:11] <Kilos> hehe
[18:12] <Kilos> you think i say hi because its the only greeting i know?
[18:13] <inetpro> Kilos: oh my, you struggling with recalling applicable $daytime as well?
[18:13] <Kilos> oh superfly you coulda given Mariusoft some advice
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <inetpro> pavlushka: hmm...
[18:14] <inetpro> the value of submitting a bug report, well done!
[18:15] <pavlushka> inetpro: read my comments?
[18:15] <pavlushka> *previous comments
[18:17] <pavlushka> inetpro: thank you!
[18:17] <inetpro> pavlushka: you have a bug open in your name and the status is Triaged
[18:17] <inetpro> wil be a good feeling when that is fixed
[18:17] <inetpro> will*
[18:18] <pavlushka> inetpro: but he was acting like he is against me or just taking me for granted.
[18:19] <Kilos> no man
[18:19] <inetpro> pavlushka: don't jump to conclusions, you do not know what he was thinking
[18:19] <Kilos> dont take everything personally
[18:20] <pavlushka> ok, I will not, though I have seen him fixing other issues with the same attitude.
[18:20] <pavlushka> to the reporter.
[18:20] <Kilos> thats the way he is
[18:20] <Kilos> nothing personal about it
[18:20] <Kilos> its all just extra work for him
[18:21] <pavlushka> Kilos: its ok because you are telling me to, :p
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <inetpro> pavlushka: he is a busy man, I'm actually very surprised that he responded so quickly, be happy
[18:22] <pavlushka> \o/
[18:22] <Kilos> hi bushtech
[18:23] <bushtech> hi Kilos, inetpro others
[18:23] <inetpro> pavlushka: have you even looked at his profile and all the things he is involved in?
[18:23] <pavlushka> yes
[18:24] <pavlushka> what does that proves? that he is a nice man? or doesn't take people for granted?
[18:25] <inetpro> try to be better than him and don't attack the person
[18:25] <Kilos> he is too busy to be friendly and chatty to everyone
[18:25] <pavlushka> I just want to stop
[18:25] <mazal> hmm , lag test ok , not great , but not bad
[18:26] <Kilos> seems bangalory peeps are easily offended
[18:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: Kilos sorry for my extra emotions
[18:26] <Kilos> pavlushka always remember nothing is to be taken personally
[18:27] <Kilos> work your way past it
[18:27] <pavlushka> I am cooling down, may be its the heat, or I dont know.
[18:27] <Kilos> we had a guy came here and attacked and swore at the fly
[18:28] <Kilos> and fly responded like a gentleman
[18:28] <Kilos> always try make friends not enemies
[18:28] <pavlushka> I never swore back even to in person, not sure about irc.
[18:30] <pavlushka> Kilos: you might have noticed that I am improving, lol
[18:30] <Kilos> yes keep it up
[18:30] <inetpro> pavlushka: see his blog here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/
[18:30] <Kilos> aggresion gets one nowhere
[18:31] <inetpro> make no mistake, he knows his job
[18:32]  * mazal only swears at Telscum
[18:32] <mazal> and taxis
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <inetpro> pavlushka: also remember, these guys are dealing with a huge amount of bugs every day of which plenty of them are invalid
[18:33] <mazal> Ok all seems fine here. Must still switch on that big blue machine though
[18:34] <inetpro> mazal: welcome to #ubuntu-za at this $hour
[18:34] <mazal> Why thank you inetpro :)
[18:34] <Kilos> oh yes
[18:34] <inetpro> :-)
[18:34] <Kilos> hello stranger
[18:34] <mazal> I am so surprised to have connection that I am now sommer online everywhere I can be :)
[18:34] <Kilos> haha
[18:35] <mazal> Lemme think how to approach this big blue , hmmmm
[18:35] <inetpro> mazal: now do some learning from Kilos of how you can limit bandwidth usage
[18:35] <pavlushka> inetpro: yes, agreed, and thanks for trying to make me better, :p
[18:35] <mazal> Kilos, how to approach big blue ?
[18:36] <Kilos> what is big blue
[18:36] <mazal> PS4
[18:36] <Kilos> carefully
[18:36] <mazal> 12 games to update
[18:36] <inetpro> DEFINITION of 'Big Blue': A slang term sometimes used to refer to International Business Machines Corporation (IBM)
[18:36] <Kilos> eish
[18:36] <mazal> Probably between 2 and 12 gig each
[18:36] <Kilos> eeeek
[18:36] <mazal> Wait up till 12am every night ?
[18:37] <Kilos> a years data for me
[18:38] <mazal> I think I must do 1 per nigh until night surfer finished , wait for next month , continue
[18:38] <Kilos> ya later is cheaper mazal
[18:38] <Kilos> not easy to stay awake so late though
[18:39] <mazal> By the time next month comes along the ones that's finished have updates again though hahaha
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <mazal> Well I have 20gig night surfer to burn this week , will see how far that gets me
[18:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:39] <mazal> 12am till 6am yes ?
[18:40] <Kilos> yes
[18:40] <mazal> Oi
[18:40] <Kilos> did telkom change
[18:40] <Kilos> they were from 11 at one stage
[18:40] <mazal> Change ?
[18:41] <mazal> I wouldn't know
[18:41] <mazal> Is why I asked you
[18:42] <Kilos> call then
[18:42] <Kilos> 180
[18:42] <Kilos> from telkom sim is free
[18:42] <mazal> 2.1.34 Night Surfer: refers to users who use the internet service between 00:00am and
[18:42] <mazal> 07:00am;
[18:42] <mazal> From here:
[18:43] <mazal> http://www.telkom.co.za/sites/documents/aboutus/regulatory/termsandconditions/TelkomInternet_termsandconditions.pdf
[18:43] <mazal> Dunno how up to date that is though
[18:43] <Kilos> ok
[18:44] <Kilos> i dont get night surfer stuff anymore i dont think
[18:44] <Kilos> i wonder why
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: trust me it is from midnight only, I know
[18:46] <mazal> Wow check this out: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/789621-Night-Surfer-Data
[18:46] <Kilos> no man
[18:46] <mazal> You must actually reboot your router at midnight
[18:46] <Kilos> why dont i get night surfer anymore
[18:46] <inetpro> mazal: no, not necessary
[18:49] <inetpro> I reboot my router only about once or twice a month
[18:50] <bushtech> lucky man I reboot about 50 times a day
[18:50] <inetpro> those times I  have checked airtime after midnight usage has always come off the midnight data
[18:52] <Kilos> maybe i dont get night surfer stuff aymore
[18:52] <Kilos> anymore
[18:52] <Kilos> if i do im losing it all
[18:52]  * pavlushka agrees with bushtech about being lucky.
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: all depends on what you purchase
[18:53] <Kilos> either the R139 or R199
[18:53] <Kilos> 2g or 3g
[18:54] <Kilos> im ready to sleep again
[18:55] <mazal> inetpro, you on mobile also ?
[18:55] <Kilos> yip
[18:55] <Kilos> no adsl to maplotters
[18:55] <mazal> Ok so how do I stay awake till midnight ?
[18:55] <Kilos> with difficulty
[18:55] <mazal> Haven't done that in ages
[18:56] <Kilos> do a cron job
[18:56] <bushtech> watch amovie
[18:56] <mazal> PS4 has no idea what cron is oom lol
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <mazal> bushtech, movies tend to make me sleep :P
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: ok looks like with prepaid there's no split
[18:56] <Kilos> yay
[18:56] <inetpro> mazal: I'm on the 10+10 contract
[18:56] <bushtech> get better movies
[18:56]  * Kilos hates losing data
[18:57] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:57] <Kilos> ok i crash now
[18:57] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:57] <mazal> Will try gaming , but I find these days I can't go past 9pm then eyes gives in
[18:57] <mazal> Night oom
[18:57] <inetpro> good night Kilos
[18:57] <bushtech> night kilos
[18:58] <inetpro> mazal: what do you want to download?
[18:58] <mazal> Updates on PS4
[18:58] <mazal> It doesn't have a scheduler sadly
[18:58] <inetpro> and no URL?
[18:59] <mazal> nope
[18:59] <inetpro> ai!
[18:59] <inetpro> set the alarm
[18:59] <mazal> Is game updates , goes directly into downloads list
[18:59] <mazal> So called next-gen , gimph , PS3 could do it
[18:59] <inetpro> or just keep talking with peeps here
[18:59] <bushtech> can you take it to incredible C, play dumb and ask them to update it for you?
[19:00] <mazal> hehehehe
[19:00] <bushtech> they might not notice 12gb
[19:01] <mazal> I doubt they will even know how
[19:01] <mazal> Not much love for them
[19:01] <bushtech> there is that risk
[19:01] <bushtech> same here
[19:01] <mazal> I have yet to find one in there that actually knows what I talk about when I ask for something
[19:02] <bushtech> I find in general that applies to any store I walk into
[19:02] <inetpro> keep asking them about Ubuntu, maybe one day they will know what it is when I ask them
[19:02] <mazal> With my pc stuff I don't use stores at all. Have 1 guy that is excellent and only use him
[19:03] <mazal> inetpro, I think I must ask them when they will have the next LTS in stock :)
[19:06] <bushtech> I see 1604lts out on 21 april
[19:06] <bushtech> safe to upgrade?
[19:06] <inetpro> when I ask them whether a printer or other device will work on Ubuntu they just go, huh?
[19:07] <mazal> bushtech, I'm looking forward to that
[19:07] <mazal> Been waiting a long time to re-install this home pc
[19:07] <bushtech> yep long since given up on questions like that
[19:07]  * inetpro is on kubuntu 16.04
[19:08] <mazal> Bit worried about my media streaming though
[19:08] <bushtech> it's taken me about 2 years to het my 2 1404 servers set up nicely
[19:08] <mazal> If memory serves that did not go well the previous time
[19:08] <inetpro> many frequent updates but stability is ok
[19:09] <mazal> Lost my external drive so now media streaming from pc is only way I can go
[19:09] <bushtech> whats the problem with media streaming?
[19:09] <bushtech> works ok my side to kodibuntu
[19:09] <mazal> What app you use ?
[19:09] <bushtech> but via lan cable
[19:10] <mazal> I use PS3 media server , but if memory serves on Ubuntu it tends to disconnect
[19:10] <mazal> Oh btw , the player is a PS3 , must be compatible with that
[19:10] <bushtech> I use zbox with kodibuntu
[19:11] <mazal> zbox is the player right ?
[19:11] <bushtech> works a treat even got my wether station showing weather forecasts in kodi
[19:12] <bushtech> zbox is mini computer
[19:12] <mazal> So kodibuntu is the server ?
[19:13] <bushtech> kodi is the frontend for lack of better word
[19:13] <bushtech> its only job is to play the media sitting on buntu server
[19:14] <mazal> And what app on the buntu server do you use to server the media ?
[19:14] <bushtech> dont need an app
[19:14] <mazal> You use just a share ?
[19:15] <bushtech> server is just a store
[19:15] <bushtech> point kodi to the files on the server
[19:15] <pavlushka> Goodnight guys!
[19:15] <mazal> Night pavlushka
[19:15] <bushtech> night pavlushka
[19:16] <mazal> I will need a media server app that can serve to PS3. Will try PS3 media server again and see what the issue was
[19:17] <bushtech> plex
[19:17] <bushtech> ?
[19:19] <mazal> Oh boy , the last update they had was for 10.04
[19:20] <mazal> Oh no hang on , I read that wrong
[19:20] <mazal> It's from 10.04 and up
[19:20] <mazal> Will look into that one defnitely.
[19:24] <bushtech> does the ps3 make a good media player?
[19:26] <mazal> Yep , been using it for a long time. But mostly with an external hdd
[19:27] <mazal> Only dabbled with media server a little bit
[19:28] <mazal> With external though you need to convert the files into a format it understand first though
[19:29] <mazal> When using PS3 media server one don't need to. It encodes as it serves as it's a dedicated app for PS3 and knows what it can open
[19:30] <mazal> The biggest drawback the external HDD route has is that you are limited to 4gig file size. Which mean that huge HD quality is out
[19:31] <mazal> Media server tends to be better for that also. With the files on PC you are not limited to file size
[19:47] <inetpro> good night
[19:47] <mazal> Night inetpro
[19:48] <mazal> I'm also off , will do the midnight thing tomorrow
[19:48] <mazal> Night everyone


[12:32] <Velmont> Typing program? What is that?
[12:33] <Burgwork> Velmont, typing tutor
[12:33] <Velmont> Ah :)
[12:42] <jair> this room is awsome, here I notice that a lot of people have something in common, concerns about education and also technology base on Linux.
[04:39] <mhz> neurogeek: holas!
[04:39] <mhz> neurogeek: do you know 'Jesus Molina aka quidam' ?
[04:39] <neurogeek> mhz, Hello you
[04:40] <neurogeek> mhz, hmmm..  it does ring a bell
[04:40] <mhz> he's venezuelan too
[04:41] <neurogeek> i think i've seen him around irc
[07:05] <wadeb> hello, I have a project that I want to submit to edubuntu.  can anyone give me some tips on where to get started?
[07:05] <Burgundavia> wadeb, which project?
[07:06] <wadeb> burgundavia: it's called "cuecard", it's a (previously) windows flash card program that I have ported to GTK (using wxWidgets)
[07:07] <wadeb> burgundavia: a windows installer is available at http://www.download.com/CueCard/3000-2051_4-10380167.html?tag=lst-0-1
[07:07] <wadeb> burgundavia: I'm still learning how to package it for ubuntu.
[07:07] <Burgundavia> that is the first step
[07:07] <Burgundavia> the issue with wx is that it is not installed by default
[07:08] <Burgundavia> nor is it in "main" which is security supported. Any application that is shipped by default must be in main
[07:08] <Burgundavia> to get into main you need to have your application security checked, as well as any deps
[07:08] <Burgundavia> but don't let that discourage you
[07:08] <Burgundavia> even just having it packaged is great
[07:09] <wadeb> is it possible to submit using --disable-shared?  then it would only link dynamically to gtk
[07:09] <Burgundavia> I have no idea, you would need to talk to people who actually cut code
[07:09] <wadeb> ok, I'll keep working on packaging and report back.. thanks
[07:10] <Burgundavia> wadeb, if you need help with packaging, the people in #ubuntu-motu can help
[07:10] <Burgundavia> they deal with all of "universe", the unsupported free software
[07:11] <wadeb> really?  great, I'll check over there.
[07:52] <ilba7r> !packages
[08:03] <ilba7r> is there a link i can find the package list for edubuntu or is it the same as ubuntu?
[08:38] <highvoltage> any edubuntu cookbook cooks around?
[08:45] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, jsgotangco is around
[08:45] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, long time no see
[08:46] <jsgotangco> well i haven't been involved in the cookbook lately (no idea who's doing who)
[08:47] <Burgundavia> kjcole I know has been doing some work, highvoltage
[08:57] <highvoltage> hi Burgundavia.
[08:57] <highvoltage> yes, long time no see. if it's not lack of internet connection, it's being flooded with work :)
[09:03] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, I guess I am lucky. I had a very quiet Christmas. sales work is like that
[09:08] <highvoltage> ah yes.
[05:43] <Petaris> Yagisan: Hello
[05:45] <Yagisan> Petaris: G'day
[05:45] <Yagisan> Petaris: how are you ?
[05:45] <Petaris> not bad, you?
[05:46] <Petaris> Did you ever get a chance to play with that novell client?  I keep missing you in here.
[05:46] <Yagisan> Petaris: fine, very busy with real life(tm), I should have been in bed hours ago
[05:47] <Petaris> haha, How late is it there?
[05:47] <Yagisan> Petaris: I have had a brief look - just a sec I made some notes, I'll see where I put them. 3:47am
[05:48] <Petaris> Yagisan: oh, its not late its early  ;)
[05:50] <Yagisan> Petaris: heh - actually, if the baby is true to form, he'll wake up wanting a feed sometime in the next 15-20 minutes
[05:51] <Petaris> Yagisan: How old is he?
[05:53] <Yagisan> Petaris: he is 7 weeks. He'll wake up, then wake his 23 month old sister up, before going to sleep again
[05:53] <Petaris> Yagisan: ahh, fun
[05:54] <Yagisan> Petaris: you have kids ?
[05:55] <Petaris> Yagisan: nope, a 3 mo neice though
[05:56] <Yagisan> Petaris: ok - found my notes. Most of the package is binary code only - can't see source for it
[05:56] <Yagisan> Petaris: however
[05:57] <Yagisan> Petaris: I did find the source for the novfs kernel source
[05:58] <Yagisan> Petaris: that is gpl
[05:58] <Yagisan> Petaris: other parts are under a novell eula
[05:59] <Petaris> Yagisan:  Hrm,  Do you think it could work with edubuntu though?
[05:59] <Yagisan> Petaris: that novell eula does not mention it is redistributable at all
[06:00] <Petaris> Yagisan:  Bummer, but people could still download it from novell
[06:00] <Yagisan> Petaris: I'm not sure - I made a note to run ldd on the binaries, but I haven't tried that yet
[06:00] <Petaris> Yagisan:  I wonder if just running alien to change the rpm to a deb would work
[06:01] <Yagisan> Petaris: not always - distros are source, but not always binary compatible
[06:01] <Petaris> Yagisan:  Ok
[06:04] <Petaris> Yagisan:  There was a novell guy (developer) in the pilot-link channel a couple weeks ago, if he stops back I'll see if he can shed light on this
[06:04] <Yagisan> Petaris: you can try it. but I don't think it can be in Ubuntu proper, as except for the kernel module, I don't think it is open source
[06:05] <Yagisan> Petaris: at least the EULA seems to indicate it is not - part of novells competitive advantage strategy it seems
[06:05] <Petaris> Yagisan: having it included with edubuntu was never my thought, just having it be able to work with edubuntu for those who have a Novell infrastruture.
[06:06] <Yagisan> Petaris: if you alien the rpm, it may work - it installs most (but not all) stuff under /opt
[06:06] <Petaris> hrm
[06:07] <Petaris> Yagisan: I don't have a novell setup ATM to test it on, I needed to blow away my test box to work on something else
[06:08] <Petaris> Yagisan: I'll try to setup another one and give it a try
[06:09] <Petaris> Yagisan: If it works this could be a very nice selling point for edubuntu
[06:09] <Yagisan> Petaris: qemu may work, vmware workstation will (30 day free trial, make up you vm's then use the free vmware player to run them)
[06:10] <Petaris> Yagisan: I have the full version (paid for) of VMware workstation
[06:11] <Yagisan> Petaris: It's nice isn't it (for a non-opensource app) 4.5 ? 5.0 or 5.5 ?
[06:11] <Petaris> Yagisan: I'll give it a try
[06:11] <Petaris> Yagisan: 5.0, and I've used it for a long time
[06:11] <Yagisan> Petaris: if 5.0, your 5.0 key will work with 5.5 :) free upgrade
[06:12] <Petaris> Yagisan: 5.5 has usb issues, or so I've heard
[06:12] <Petaris> brb
[06:13] <Yagisan> Petaris: I tried 5.5 because it was supposed to support 64bit guests, but my 64bit cpu isn't supported :(
[06:14] <Petaris> back
[06:14] <Petaris> Yagisan: Which cpu?
[06:15] <Petaris> Yagisan: AMD Athlon64 Opteron are
[06:15] <Yagisan> Petaris: early model amd64
[06:15] <Petaris> Yagisan: er, and opteron
[06:15] <Petaris> Yagisan: hrm
[06:16] <Petaris> Yagisan: I run vmware 4.5 on a amd64 3200+
[06:16] <Petaris> Yagisan: Thats at home
[06:16] <Yagisan> Petaris: 32bit guest is ok - but no 64bit guest
[06:17] <Yagisan> Petaris: I wanted 64bit guests - so I was rather disappointed
[06:17] <Petaris> Yagisan: Ahh
[06:17] <Petaris> Yagisan: Ok, I thought you meant the host
[06:38] <Yagisan> night all
[08:53] <mhz> hy all
[08:53] <mhz> ogra_ibook: ping
[08:53] <ogra_ibook> mhz, pong
[08:54] <mhz> ogra_ibook: do you remember the port for Schooltool and its login info ?
[08:54] <ogra_ibook> something in the 7000s ...
[08:54] <knario> hola que tan tengo un problema nose que le pasa a mi firefox que no puedo ver letras
[08:54] <ogra_ibook> i think 7880
[08:54] <knario> que puedo hacer para repararlo?
[08:55] <ogra_ibook> knario, #ubuntu-es ? or #edubuntu-es ?
[08:55] <knario> como?
[08:55] <mhz> knario: /join #ubuntu-es
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> knario, i think you want a spanish channel :)
[08:56] <Burgwork> mhz, what does como mean?
[08:56] <knario> o!
[08:56] <mhz> Burgundavia: 'how'
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> pardon i think
[08:56] <knario> thankyou!
[08:56] <mhz> yw
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> :)
[08:56] <juliux> ogra_ibook, moin pls send me your address
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> oh, danmed ...
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> i forgot aboiut that
[08:57] <juliux> ogra_ibook, and do you have some doku about lts.conf ?
[08:57] <Burgwork> mhz, ah, thanks
[08:57] <ogra_ibook> juliux, can you give me your mail address ? i'm doing a testinstall on my machine with the addressbook
[08:58] <juliux> ogra_ibook<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:59] <mhz> ogra_ibook: nope, 7880 aint semm so
[08:59] <mhz> see
[08:59] <mhz> seem
[09:00] <ogra_ibook> its documented soemwhere on schooltool.org
[09:00] <ogra_ibook> i think the default user is schooltool with the PW manager ...
[09:00] <mhz> 7080, it is
[09:00] <ogra_ibook> but i might remember wrong
[09:02] <mhz> hehhehe
[09:02] <mhz> np
[09:02] <mhz> I'll wiki it
[09:02] <mhz> soon
[09:02] <mhz> ogra_ibook: but so far,..th1a: hmmm. ''connection refused when attemting to contact 7080" :(
[09:02] <mhz> - thla
[09:03] <ogra_ibook> is schooltool running ?
[10:14] <selmys> can anyone help me with a network problem?
[10:17] <juliux> selmys, what is your problem?
[10:18] <selmys> installed 5.1 and all signs indicate network should be working but it's not - ifconfig ok, route ok, lspci ok, dmesg ok, etc. etc.
[10:19] <juliux> and what doesnt work?
[10:19] <ogra_ibook> did you give the right IP in the installer ?
[10:19] <selmys> yes IP info is right. Hardware works with Knoppix
[10:20] <selmys> can't ping anything except self
[10:22] <platos> can you ping to the address you have configured for yourself (not localhost)
[10:23] <selmys> yes, I can ping my own address. Also, resolv.conf is correct.
[10:25] <selmys> I'm suspecting maybe a bad iso image. Is that possible?
[10:25] <platos> did you use a breezy image?
[10:26] <juliux> ogra_ibook, what do you think about a edubuntu thincliente database?
[10:26] <ogra_ibook> sure, why not
[10:26] <selmys> not sure what image. just downloaded edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[10:26] <platos> well thats the breezy one
[10:27] <platos> hm... and you have one card installed on your pc?
[10:28] <selmys> I have 2 NICs, eth0 and eth1. I tried each one with dhcp and static config but neither worked even though all indicators said it should.
[10:29] <platos> so dhclient wouldnt get anything with either of em... weird, the only thing i then could think off is a faulty netwerk cable...
[10:30] <selmys> I used the same cable with Knoppix and it worked with either card.
[10:31] <platos> well you could try one reboot, and then see what happens
[10:31] <platos> and if that doesnt work, try the live cd first...
[10:32] <selmys> believe me I've rebooted many times. But I like your idea about the live CD. I'm going to download it and try it immediately.
[10:34] <platos> you have to use the normal ubuntu live cd though
[10:34] <platos> edubuntu hasnt got a live cd yet
[10:34] <ogra_ibook> platos, it has a daily-livecd
[10:34] <platos> ;) i know
[10:34] <platos> but isnt that still in alpha
[10:35] <platos> or beta
[10:35] <ogra_ibook> which currently culd need some testers, since we're about to make the next development release ready
[10:35] <platos> hm well i have some time around next week, i'll give it a try then
[10:36] <ogra_ibook> its the third milestone release currently
[10:36] <platos> ogra_ibook: i know i'm using flight cd2 right now, and i have a problem though
[10:36] <selmys> can anyone tell me where I can download this live CD. I don't care if it's beta. At least it's something to try.
[10:36] <platos> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/
[10:37] <platos> use flight-2 that one will at least work :P
[10:37] <ogra_ibook> it has lots of bugs but boots :)
[10:37] <ogra_ibook> the current daily is nearly flight 3
[10:37] <platos> ogra_ibook: when i run wine on my thin-clients the screen is black when i want to start a windows program
[10:37] <ogra_ibook> i'm currently doing the test for amd64
[10:37] <platos> ogra_ibook: on the server it runs great however
[10:38] <ogra_ibook> platos, i guess the video output isnt plain X ... so the forwarding might fail ...
[10:38] <selmys> thanks. talk to you later.
[10:38] <platos> ogra_ibook: any hacks to this? it worked on breezy...
[10:41] <ogra_ibook> platos, on the thin client ?
[10:41] <platos> yes
[10:41] <platos> ... i am using version 9.5 now though
[10:42] <platos> i was using version 9.0 on breezy
[10:42] <ogra_ibook> hmm, either a X regression or a wine regression then
[10:42] <ogra_ibook> you could try to downgrade (if the dependencys allow) and check if its wine or X this way
[10:43] <platos> i'll go back to 9.0... i think that one worked
[10:44] <ogra_ibook> tell me if you have tested it and it works ...
[10:50] <platos> lol it works
[10:50] <platos> i took an old release of wine from the archive.ubuntulinux.com
[10:50] <platos> hang on i'll get the exact name
[10:51] <platos> wine_0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:51] <Burgwork> platos, 0.9.3 had serious regressions
[10:51] <platos> thats the package that works on ltsp
[10:52] <platos> Burgwork: do you have experience with wine?
[10:52] <Burgwork> platos, some
[10:52] <platos> Burgwork, I want to use sound in wine
[10:52] <Burgwork> hmm, should just work for some things
[10:53] <platos> Burgwork, do you know how? it is on a thin-client, sound already works for gnome
[10:53] <Burgwork> I don't know what audio backend wine uses. I suspect it tries to talk to /dev/dsp directly
[10:54] <platos> well i saw that you can basically choose which audio its using
[10:54] <platos> i'll try some things out
[10:56] <ogra_ibook> use esd
[10:57] <ogra_ibook> if you want to use it on the thin client
[10:57] <platos> ok
[10:59] <platos> argh, i can choose out of alsa,arts,nas,oss,audio io(solaris) and jack
[11:01] <Burgwork> fc4 appears to havea  wine-esd package
[11:02] <platos> well, apparently wine hasnt got those seperate packages anymore, now you only have to install one package for wine
[11:02] <ogra_ibook> gah, you can choose arts but not esd ?
[11:02] <Burgwork> http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-cvs/2005/08/0069.html
[11:03] <ogra_ibook> yes, upstream asked for it
[11:04] <platos> lol and i've just installed the package that was made on 25-7
[11:05] <Burgwork> platos, try the latest from dapper
[11:06] <platos> already tried that one, that one gives me a black screen whenever i run something on the thin-client
[11:07] <Burgwork> I would walk my way back through the versions
[11:07] <Burgwork> and have you reported these bugs upstream?
[11:08] <platos> lol i've just found out about them
[11:08] <platos> i'll report them tomorrow
[11:09] <platos> i gotta finish that server today
[11:18] <\sh> platos: what is not working with wine?
[11:19] <ogra_ibook> platos, \sh maintains the wine packages in ubuntu currently
[11:20] <\sh> sidenote: not maintaining, I'm trying to package them nicely :) scott ritchie maintains the original packages :)
[11:20] <platos> \sh: i get a black screen when i run a app with wine on a thin client
[11:21] <platos> \sh: and thats with wine version 9.5
[11:21] <\sh> platos: which windows app? :)
[11:21] <platos> \sh: lol an installer
[11:21] <platos> \sh: the dcom98.exe
[11:21] <platos> \sh: on the server it works however
[11:22] <platos> \sh: and i downloaded a previous version of wine out of archive.ubuntulinux.com and with that one it works
[11:22] <platos> \sh: i am currently downloading the cvs and compiling it from that
[11:22] <\sh> platos: well, I tested notepad.exe via ssh -X to my amd64 box and a i386 chroot of dapper with wine 0.9.5..and this works..
[11:22] <platos> \sh: lol weird
[11:22] <\sh> platos: so I think it's more upstream fault..there were other problems with wine 0.9.4 which were solved with 0.9.5
[11:22] <\sh> platos: can I download this dcom98.exe tool somehow?
[11:23] <platos> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/thankyou.aspx?familyId=08b1ac1b-7a11-43e8-b59d-0867f9bdda66&displayLang=en&oRef=http%3a%2f%2fwww.microsoft.com%2fcom%2fdefault.mspx
[11:24] <\sh> ok...I'll test it here again..and let's see :)
[11:24] <platos> well on the server it works, but not in a thin-client boot
 platos, 0.9.3 had serious regressions <- 0.9.4 is there also
[11:25] <spacey_ki> i had sound on my breezy laptop
[11:25] <spacey_ki> with windows app in wine
[11:25] <platos> yeah for me its a lil different... i have to have sound in my ltsp client
[11:26] <spacey_ki> platos, i need that as well
[11:26] <spacey_ki> platos, wine can't output to esd?
[11:26] <platos> well it can
[11:26] <platos> but not with the old packaged version
[11:26] <spacey_ki> platos, i just installed the version on winehq.org
[11:26] <platos> and with the new one i got a black screen
[11:26] <spacey_ki> that package works
[11:26] <platos> on your thin-client?
[11:26] <spacey_ki> although its an external repo
[11:26] <spacey_ki> didn't try on the thin client yet
[11:27] <spacey_ki> will try that next week
[11:27] <spacey_ki> figured it should work
[11:27] <platos> yeah it worked on my server as well
[11:27] <platos> but not on the thin cilent
[11:27] <Burgwork> spacey, those source packages are the same as the packages in Ubuntu
[11:27] <platos> *client
[11:27] <Burgwork> spacey_ki, ^
[11:27] <spacey_ki> Burgwork, got the binary:P
[11:27] <spacey_ki> Burgwork, same as in dapper maybe
[11:28] <Burgwork> spacey_ki, yes, in dapper
[11:28] <spacey_ki> but i don't use dapper in production
[11:28] <Burgwork> the ones in breezy are the same source packages, just old releases of wine
[11:28] <spacey_ki> yeah
[11:29] <spacey_ki> but figured last half year of wine devel was not something to miss
[11:29] <Burgwork> not really
[11:30] <\sh> the wine packages I repackage are the original sources of winehq :) so don't blame me :)


[11:32] <SiDi> Hey people
[11:32] <SiDi> is Breathe still meant to be depending on gnome instead of Human ? :/
[12:06] <thorwil> SiDi: why still? i thought it was never meant that way?
[12:08] <SiDi> thorwil: the released one uses Human instead of gnome
[12:15] <SiDi> macvr: macslow said he went to lunch \o/
[12:17] <macvr> SiDi: darn it! i missed it! my connection was reset! :P
[12:34] <SiDi> yeh noticed :)
[12:35] <kwwii> hi all
[12:35] <kwwii> anyone taken a look a the hundred paper cuts project yet?
[12:38] <SiDi> i have
[12:38] <SiDi> lots of invalid bugs..
[12:39] <kwwii> yeah, well...if you think it is invalid say so
[12:39] <kwwii> the designers will never figure it out on their own :p
[12:40] <SiDi> oh, they're marked invalid :)
[12:41] <kwwii> :)
[12:41] <SiDi> basically lots of users see hundred paper cuts as an opportunity to beg another time for a hard-to-fix / unwanted / hard-to-implement / non-fixable feature
[13:04] <kwwii> yeah, true that
[14:57] <macvr> SiDi: ^exactly what i thought....
[14:58] <macvr> kwwii: aernt the papercuts a non-art issue? or are you just spreading the word?
[15:00] <macvr> does anyone have a good pic of scarlet johanson/jessica alba/catherine heigl/chatherine bell blowing a kiss...i'm asking only for purely artistic reasons :P
[15:01] <kwwii> macvr: actually, quite a few of them are art issues
[15:01] <kwwii> macvr: like the ones about the xdg folders
[15:01] <macvr> ah!
[15:01] <kwwii> someone can take the current human folder and create ideas for the overlays for music, video, etc
[15:02] <kwwii> and if anyone is looking for icon stuff to do, there is also some UNR work which is boring but needs to be done
[15:02] <kwwii> UNR uses 48x48 and 64x64 icons mainly so we need to make human icons of the current smaller ones at that size
[15:02] <macvr> actually i had forgotten that xdg folders was a missing feature... since i had personally assigned different folder icons with overlays for those folders!
[15:02] <kwwii> oh, and we are accepting ideas for the battery icons in the panel
[15:02] <kwwii> ;)
[15:03] <andreasn> kwwii, battery icons in the panel?
[15:03] <macvr> kwwii: what is the present battery icon... ? what are your limitations /use of colors?
[15:05] <macvr> kwwii: also the diff sizes you what the icons in?
[15:07] <andreasn> kwwii, any ideas about https://bugs.launchpad.net/human-icon-theme/+bug/385903 ?
[15:07] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, we have had people complain about the current ones we usue in UNR
[15:08] <kwwii> andreasn: hrm, seems like that should be fixable
[15:09] <andreasn> I'm not sure my approach is the best solution
[15:09] <andreasn> and now I broke my system, so I can't try Rodney's suggestion
[15:11] <kwwii> I do not understand rodneys comment about renaming it though
[15:11] <kwwii> the problem is that the wrong size icon is used
[15:11] <kwwii> maybe just reordering the index directories as he suggests is enough
[15:12] <macvr> andreasn: , kwwii does that seem like a papercut?
[15:13] <kwwii> macvr: yeah, if the answer is simple, no if it is not
[15:13] <kwwii> :p
[15:13] <kwwii> andreasn: what did you change?
[15:14] <macvr> andreasn: if th solution is as simple as u suggest , then its a papercut...
[15:14] <andreasn> I removed the entrys for 8x8 and 12x12 in the index.theme file
[15:14] <kwwii> ahhh, right now I see it
[15:14] <kwwii> well, I would like to try it with the dirs listed in the other order and see if that works
[15:14] <andreasn> and took the icon from the 8x8 (or was it the 12x12) and placed it inside the 16x16 canvas
[15:23] <kwwii> andreasn: erm, but a 16x16 version already exists
[15:23] <macvr> which do you guys like better? for a smiley kiss lips... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVe-FF7vK3E/SW9gkHTdltI/AAAAAAAAAo8/6y_xJonlEbI/s400/salma_hayek_sexy4.jpg or http://blog.taragana.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/megan-fox-blows-a-kiss.jpg ... i feel the second gets a bit obscene
[15:23] <andreasn> kwwii, yeah, that's why it's so odd that it works like this
[15:24] <andreasn> I wonder if it might be a bug in the way mozilla deals with the menu icons
[15:24] <kwwii> hrm, have you tried just re-ordering the stuff in the index.theme file?
[15:24] <kwwii> this sounds like a wierd bug
[15:24] <kwwii> the icon already exists at all sizes
[15:25] <kwwii> well, up to and including 16
[15:26] <andreasn> no, I haven't. Did that work?
[15:27] <kwwii> i am in a call now, I will try it in a bit
[15:30] <kwwii> lol, yeah...that fixes it
[15:30] <kwwii> I just put the 8 and 12 directory listing at the end
[15:31] <andreasn> wow
[15:31] <andreasn> that's great, thanks for the help!
[15:39] <kwwii> andreasn: wow, freaky
[15:39] <kwwii> when I do that it also uses the larger icon in the tabs and scales it down
[15:39] <kwwii> apparently
[15:39] <kwwii> it used to look like the small one and now it uses the larger 3d one
[15:39] <kwwii> boah, firefox makes no sense
[15:40] <andreasn> screenshot?
[15:42] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/Screenshot.png
[15:43] <kwwii> boah, and it breaks nautilus as well
[15:43] <kwwii> even worse, the one tab uses small the other uses large
[15:44] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/Screenshot-1.png
[15:46] <andreasn> ouch
[15:47] <andreasn> I think both the menu and tab close button use icon-size: menu;
[15:47] <andreasn> but I have no idea what's up with nautilus
[15:47] <kwwii> well, this is messier than I thought...I will try to fix it
[15:52] <SiDi> macvr: agree for obscene :p
[15:53] <andreasn> the only place we use anything below 16x16 in gnome-icon-theme is for some of the emblem icons, so it might just be that things work in a buggy way, because it haven't been tested properly with smaller sizes
[15:55] <kwwii> yeah
[15:55] <kwwii> I mean, it was using the small icons without looking bad before I moved the entry around
[15:55] <kwwii> anyway...
[16:02] <kwwii> the nautilus problem went away when I loged out
[16:02] <kwwii> I guess updating the cache is a good idea as well
[16:06] <andreasn> but the tab icons are still too big for your liking?
[16:07] <kwwii> I do not like the 3d-ness of them
[16:07] <kwwii> but i guess I can make them smaller :)
[16:20] <macvr> SiDi: agree meaning... u like it? :P
[16:25] <macvr> thorwil: how about using this for the lips? >for a smiley kiss lips... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVe-FF7vK3E/SW9gkHTdltI/AAAAAAAAAo8/6y_xJonlEbI/s400/salma_hayek_sexy4.jpg , the lips have a nice shape , or do you have a good pic of scarlet johanson's lips?
[16:26] <knome> lol
[16:27] <macvr> knome: what to do i have a soft corner for scarlet :P
[16:27] <knome> stop dreaming? ;)
[16:28] <macvr> knome: actually , my reason was she has a full lips, just a design view, purely artistic  :P
[16:29] <knome> yeah right
[16:29] <knome> ;)
[16:29] <macvr> :)
[16:29] <knome> "i like her lips from the design point of view"
[16:29] <knome> have to remember that when my wife accuses me of looking other women
[16:30] <knome> and replace lips with any suitable body part
[16:30] <macvr> always glad to help ;)
[16:31] <macvr> knome: i see thorwil  doing it a lot of times ... i wonder how u havent picked it up earlier ?
[16:31] <knome> maybe i was too busy explaining things to my wife? ;)
[16:31] <macvr> lol
[16:36] <raozuzu> i see interesting things here xD
[16:36] <SiDi> knome: macvr: pervs. i dont even know these girls !
[16:37] <macvr> SiDi: well.... it takes one to know one... :P
[16:37] <knome> ;)
[16:38] <raozuzu> lol!
[16:38]  * SiDi prefers not understanding macvr's sentence
[16:39] <macvr> SiDi: i'll try to translate in french... ;)
[16:40] <macvr> SiDi: Il prend un à connaître
[16:40] <SiDi> hahah :p
[16:40] <SiDi> that means nothing :)
[16:40] <SiDi> what did you mean by "it takes one"
[16:40] <macvr> dam it google translate!
[16:41] <raozuzu> mm perhaps... "I'll let you know (meet) one of them"? xD
[16:41] <macvr> SiDi:  Il prend un à connaître, à savoir un
[16:42] <macvr> now it should make sense...
[16:42] <SiDi> macvr: translating wont work on idiomatic expressions :d
[16:42] <raozuzu> right
[16:42] <raozuzu> it wuold be a really good thing!
[16:42] <SiDi> that wouldnt be idiomatic expressions then :D
[16:44] <macvr> may be wolfram should develop a good translator... :)
[16:45] <raozuzu> lol
[16:45] <raozuzu> ps: hi guys
[16:47] <macvr> raozuzu: best PS i'v ever seen... lol!
[16:47] <raozuzu> really thank you ;)
[16:47] <SiDi> heya raozuzu
[16:48] <raozuzu> well... how is going the word here?
[16:48] <raozuzu> :D
[16:48] <SiDi> badly
[16:48] <SiDi> too much work and not enough work at the time
[16:49] <macvr> raozuzu: and ... ubuntu/canonical has put SiDi on food patrol...
[16:49] <SiDi> yeh
[16:49] <SiDi> i cant even cook for myself
[16:49] <raozuzu> really?! o_o
[16:49] <SiDi> but i have to make sure developers eat well
[16:50] <raozuzu> i'm sorry :P
[16:50] <raozuzu> right
[16:50] <SiDi> and i need to check their litter is clear and their environment is free of any threats
[16:50]  * SiDi should calm down on drugs.
[16:50] <macvr> raozuzu: SiDi makes sure all the devs eat...
[16:50] <raozuzu> uh.. i've understood now
[16:52] <raozuzu> however I can only help with my graphical skills here, sorry :P
[16:52] <SiDi> i found a cool way to use this year's courses
[16:52] <SiDi> padding for the stuff i put on my cartons :D
[16:52] <raozuzu> nice idea!
[16:54]  * SiDi kept the courses related to algorithms and finally finds a positive side to having courses about database stuff
[18:52] <macvr> anyone... comments on this? .>http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley6.png
[19:02] <SiDi> meh
[19:02] <SiDi> she looks really _happy_ on low res icons
[19:02] <SiDi> and also, why an explicitely girl smiley ? men dont kiss ? :o
[19:03] <macvr> well its better getting one from a girl ;)
[19:03] <SiDi> depends for who :p
[19:03] <macvr> :P
[19:04] <macvr> what was the prob with low res?
[19:04] <macvr> SiDi: ?
[19:05] <SiDi> the eyes
[19:05] <SiDi> looks like she wanna sleep
[19:05] <SiDi> or she's bored
[19:06] <macvr> oh... it was for closed eyes...
[19:06] <macvr> not bored! but emotion... ;p
[19:07] <SiDi> brb
[19:09] <macvr> thorwil: hi.... busy?
[19:09] <thorwil> macvr: halfway
[19:10] <macvr> busy halfway? or smiley halfway?
[19:10] <thorwil> first
[19:10] <macvr> ok... take ur time...
[19:11] <thorwil> macvr: make sure the eyes don't appear like straight lines/blocks at any size
[19:11] <macvr> latest revision http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley.png
[19:11] <macvr> thorwil:
[19:12] <macvr> thorwil: you want me to change the 32 or also the 22,16?
[19:13] <thorwil> macvr: i guess there's not much that can be done on 16, but otherwise yes
[19:14] <macvr> thorwil: i did that first... but didnt look good... will give it another shot.... what about the rest?
[19:14] <thorwil> macvr: also try to move the features farther outwards for the large one
[19:14] <macvr> ok...
[19:16] <macvr> thorwil: ...thanx... i'll edit it and upload to the wiki... :)
[19:16] <thorwil> np
[21:31] <_MMA_> macvr: What mail was I supposed to send you again?
[21:32] <macvr> i dont know , you mentioned something about sending the weekend report about smblems ,, what was wrong ...?
[21:32] <macvr> emblems
[21:33] <SiDi> hi _MMA_
[21:35] <macvr> _MMA_: you mentioned it in the mail where you said , you had uploaded some icons but will comment on the rest , and what changes need to be made...
[21:36] <_MMA_> macvr: Ok. Ill have to look. I thought I did comment but maybe not enough. I work 60hr work weeks most weeks and can be kinda forgetful.
[21:38] <_MMA_> macvr: I did post Saturday re: Emblems. You even commented. "OK, i'll see what i can do"
[21:39] <macvr> i understand... noone seems to be giving any feedbacks in the mailing list, and hence i keep bugging thorwil in the irc for feedbacks before i upload, but without feedback it is difficult what to do!
[21:39] <_MMA_> macvr: Welcome to the list.
[21:39] <macvr> _MMA_: oh... that was it ! ok... i was waiting for a BIG mail... need something to read :P
[21:41] <_MMA_> And I try to not be to 1st to comment. Because really, if its the same 4 folks all the time, all the list really becomes is a recorder. ie: We do what we want without feedback from a wider audience. 'bout how it is anyway.
[21:42] <macvr> _MMA_: well ...when no one comments , you need to be the first ...
[21:42] <macvr> _MMA_: i get thorwil's feedback here , so he doesnt comment to my submissions...
[21:42] <macvr> mostly
[21:43] <macvr> whatever corrections he wants, i usually do it before i submit :)
[21:43]  * _MMA_ also has *ALOT* of things to do. So things will fall through the cracks. You won't always get instant feedback.
[21:44] <SiDi> im too busy to read ubuntu-art mails most of time atm, i must say :|
[21:44] <SiDi> so no feedback
[21:45] <_MMA_> macvr: So it's nothing personal.
[21:45] <macvr> SiDi: as if there is a lot to read! the list is kinda dead,
[21:45] <macvr> _MMA_: i understand...
[21:45] <SiDi> macvr: its not about reading
[21:45] <_MMA_> List is 3/4 [Breathe] lately.
[21:45] <SiDi> i dont do one line comments macvr
[21:45] <SiDi> if i wanna feedback i have to _think_ (takes time) and write a constructive replay (takes time)
[21:46] <macvr> _MMA_: even SiDi chimes in his feedback here... so mailing list gets boring to report submissions... hence only today i reported about icons 1 uploaded 3 days ago. :P
[21:47]  * _MMA_ is going to freeze [Breathe] soon to have a honest and frank aesthetic review of the current icons.
[21:48] <_MMA_> macvr: Honestly, I don't need a post about every little change or upload. I'd rather people work through the week and post about it later.
[21:48] <macvr> _MMA_: whats the prob with the mail emblem? why do you want to change it? tango doesnt have a mail-emblem ... the human one is the back of the envelope... hence i thought i'd try different...
[21:48] <_MMA_> Daniel sometimes sends me 4 emails a week for the mail-* icons. All slight fixes.
[21:49] <macvr> _MMA_: weekly updates are enough... like the one you did last week... responding to every mail is TRULY a bore
[21:49] <_MMA_> macvr: I just don't know about the direction and don't want to think about it right now.
[21:49] <macvr> ok...
[21:50] <ryanprior> Maybe encourage Daniel to use a bzr branch rather than e-mailing all his changes?
[21:51] <ryanprior> Then you can check them out at your leisure.
[21:51] <_MMA_> macvr: I see style differences all over the set lately. I really don't want to start adding on top of it. So, I'm putting off the emblems for now.
[21:51] <macvr> _MMA_: i'v noticed that too :(
[21:52] <macvr> _MMA_: btw since you are here, how are the latest uploads of the smileys?
[21:52] <_MMA_> ryanprior: I'm unsure he knows BZR. It's one reason I handle all that back-end stuff. So people can just create. And honestly I dont want him changing other things. I'd just rather he be sure of what he sends me. Like Sebastien.
[21:53] <_MMA_> macvr: Saw the mail, havent looked at them yet. Will soon. I'll lost likely upload tonight if they fit.
[21:53] <ryanprior> bzr probably has a GUI front-end that's at least as easy as e-mail
[21:54] <macvr> _MMA_: haha... you are truly tired.... you are making spelling mistakes :P
[21:54] <_MMA_> macvr: re: inconsistent style. It's mostly Daniel's submissions where he uses Oxygen.
[21:55] <_MMA_> ryanprior: it's called "Olive".
[21:55] <macvr> _MMA_: ^? I didnt understand
[21:55] <_MMA_> What don't you get?
[21:55] <macvr>  re: inconsistent style. It's mostly Daniel's submissions where he uses Oxygen.
[21:55] <_MMA_> and?
[21:56] <macvr> is that a reply about the smileys? it doesnt make sense to me?
[21:56] <_MMA_> The mail-* ones mostly.
[21:56] <_MMA_> "macvr: _MMA_: i'v noticed that too :(" <- Reply to that.
[21:57] <macvr> ok...
[22:04] <macvr> _MMA_: ... see ya later... and dont reject salma hayek ;P ... I used her as the reference for the face-kiss :P
[22:04]  * _MMA_ looks now
[22:06]  * _MMA_ likes Salma. (notes that macvr should at least capitalize peoples names) I don't know about the smirk.
[22:06]  * macvr knows Salma doesnt mind :P
[22:08] <macvr> I got fed up with the smirk... I gave up due to lack of fresh ideas... i mostly dont know how to do it better :(
[22:08] <_MMA_> Ok. Noted.
[22:17] <macvr> _MMA_: looks like James just lobbied for breathe... in ayatana list too
[22:18] <_MMA_> Where?
[22:19] <macvr> _MMA_: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00392.html ...
[22:20] <_MMA_> Oh that. Saw it bub didnt read yet.
[22:20] <_MMA_> *but
[22:20] <macvr> :)
[22:22] <kwwii> any suggestions for improvement: http://sinecera.de/games64.png ?
[22:22] <_MMA_> error
[22:23] <_MMA_> 404
[22:23] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/games48.png
[22:23] <kwwii> oops
[22:24] <_MMA_> Looks nice as it is. What is it for?
[22:25] <macvr> kwwii: maybe reduce the number of cards... the A is not clear...
[22:25] <kwwii> macvr: yeah, good point...I have thought of that as well
[22:25] <SiDi> mat_t didnt stay for long.. :D
[22:25] <kwwii> thanks for mentioning it
[22:25] <_MMA_> macvr: Well it kinda depends on the use-case.
[22:26] <macvr> or maybe choose another  number card
[22:26] <kwwii> he doesn't love me anymore
[22:26] <kwwii> macvr has a good point
[22:26] <kwwii> I thought about trying it but wanted to get a first reaction
[22:26] <SiDi> kwwii: some flowers, a chocolate box, a restaurant, and a walk on the beach during sunset, and he'll love you again !
[22:26] <macvr> 1 is probably the easiest :P
[22:27] <kwwii> well, there is no 1 card :p
[22:27] <macvr> i meant 10!
[22:27] <SiDi> macvr: sure :D
[22:27] <macvr> stupid keyboard !
[22:28] <_MMA_> Sure. ;)
[22:29] <macvr> well its only as good as it owner ! :(
[22:32] <_MMA_> macvr: Maybe face-kiss needs more lashes?
[22:32] <macvr> _MMA_: tried that ...it didnt look good...
[22:33] <_MMA_> k
[22:33] <_MMA_> Sebastien's weather-* icons are workin' out nice.
[22:33] <kwwii> why doesn't someone make the xdg place icons?
[22:34] <kwwii> please
[22:34] <macvr> _MMA_: for the appointment soon, did you use Sebastien's first version or the edits i had done?
[22:34]  * SiDi stopped trying to do icons, it ends up badly :D
[22:35] <macvr> SiDi: what happened to the notify-osd power icons?
[22:35] <macvr> nothing seems to be progressing...
[22:35] <SiDi> they're in one of my branches
[22:36] <macvr> oh...ok
[22:36] <SiDi> i'll wait before boring the devs with that
[22:36] <SiDi> its all coding now
[22:36] <SiDi> and i dont wanna code on g-p-m
[22:36] <SiDi> too much code
[22:52] <kwwii> oh well, time for sleep...see you all tomorrow
[22:53] <SiDi> good night kwwii
[22:54] <kwwii> night SiDi
[22:54] <kwwii> night _MMA_
[22:54] <_MMA_> night
[22:54] <kwwii> miss you being around all the time :(
[22:57] <_MMA_> :P


[05:16] <noc-g> so what happened?  17.10 was supposed to be released?
[11:50] <Sunil_> JOIN
[12:24] <ht3k> Strangely excited for this new release! Can't wait