[03:09] <JoseeAntonioR> Hi! Someone here knows what happened with Classbot?
[03:13] <PerfieM> OH, HELLO THERE
[03:14] <PerfieM> So what is this channel used for?
[03:15] <JoseeAntonioR> PerfieM This is the channel where IRC operators can discuss.
[03:16] <PerfieM> Discuss what they did over the weekend?
[03:16] <PerfieM> A chance to build a friendship?
[03:16] <PerfieM> Get advice from a fellow IRCer?
[03:22] <rww> PerfieM: It's like #ubuntu-ops except for non-core Ubuntu channels.
[03:22] <PerfieM> rww: Wow, fancy meeting you here!
[03:23] <rww> (The core channels are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope )
[03:23] <PerfieM> rww: But I can idle in here RIGHT?!
[03:23] <rww> PerfieM: yes
[03:23] <PerfieM> I mean, I wont get kicked or anything like that right?
[03:23] <rww> PerfieM: not for idling in here, no
[03:23] <PerfieM> What will I get kicked for?
[03:24] <rww> PerfieM: You'd get kicked if you broke our guidelines, same as our other channels.
[03:24] <PerfieM> interesting
[03:24] <PerfieM> very interesting
[03:24] <PerfieM> I'll keep that in mind, chief
[03:29] <Unit193> Takes the fun out of it if you *can* idle?
[03:29] <rww> apparently


[18:56] <jono> hey all
[18:56] <netcurli> hi
[18:56] <Cormac-W8KWA> afternoon jono
[18:56] <philwyett> Hi
[18:57] <jono> hey Cormac-W8KWA
[18:57] <benkaiser> Hello
[18:58] <Cormac-W8KWA> Tora-Jono gives a meow hi (the kitten you got named after :))
[18:58] <jono> Cormac-W8KWA, hehe
[18:58] <Cormac-W8KWA> well named after ya :)
[18:59] <leousa> QUESTION: How will the updates be managed on the Ubuntu phone OS? Same as the desktop or controlled by carriers as in Android right now (e.g. AT&T not rolling out Jelly Bean on USA same as in EU)
[19:00] <JoseeAntonioR> We're live now!
[19:00] <netcurli> yes. we can see you
[19:00] <jono> reload the page to see the stream
[19:00] <ubunturk> yes
[19:01] <ubunturk> hi jono
[19:01] <Cormac-W8KWA> ok watching
[19:02] <Amir__> Hi there!
[19:03] <Cormac-W8KWA> eww webchat ;)
[19:03] <leousa> QUESTION: How will the updates be handled on the phone OS? same model as in the desktop or will  rolling updates be controlled by phone carriers like android?
[19:03] <noneofthem> Hello everybody!
[19:03] <snwh> QUESTION: how's fatherhood? :)
[19:04] <Cormac-W8KWA> QUESTION: will the phones have same same release sechedual as the Desktop version?
[19:04] <alpc360> hello ! ;)
[19:05] <noneofthem> QUESTION: Will users be able to upgrade their Ubuntu phones the same way as their desktops or will we be stuck with the hardware manufacturers like on Android?
[19:05] <netcurli> QUESTION: Will there be some kind of app reviewing process for Ubuntu for Phones? Or will there be other means of providing security, so that there are no malicious apps.
[19:06] <sarcasmrules> whois
[19:06] <noneofthem> I envy you for that phone right even though I own a Nexus 4.
[19:07] <stavrosLinux> Wayland/Weston. Do you have plans for the future ?
[19:07]  * Cormac-W8KWA is waiting for the production of Ubuntu Phone before I 'upgrade' to Smart/super phone
[19:07] <benkaiser> QUESTION: How is landscape currently? (have not seen it anywhere yet) :)
[19:08] <noneofthem> QUESTION regarding DOCK: Will there be a standardized docking mechanism or will this be up to the hardware manufacturers?
[19:08] <stavrosLinux> QUESTION: Wayland/Weston. Do you have plans for the future ?
[19:08] <sarcasmrules> QUESTION: What other phones are you considering porting Ubuntu to?
[19:09] <vihryn> What about apps store ?
[19:09] <quack1> QUESTION : Does Canonical is working on a "MacBookPro"-like machine running Ubuntu ? A high-quality, well-designed and powerfull laptop made by and for Ubuntu (and, more generally, for any GNU/Linux distro) ?
[19:10] <DaveAllen> QUESTION how come Ubuntu doesn't have a native (developed from scratch by its devs) Media Player?
[19:10] <neuro> QUESTION: Jono, why are your glasses on a bit squinty? (your right lens is higher than the left one)
[19:10] <Cormac-W8KWA> QUESTION: When are we going to see Ubuntu on a 4K screen?
[19:10] <mathomastech> Question: Will developers be able to use the language of their choice for development. i.e. Python, C, Java?
[19:10] <sarcasmrules> quack1 have you seen System76? they do something similar
[19:10] <jimmy_> QUESTION: Ubuntu Software Center in its current form is laggy and unstable. Is there any plan to change it? Maybe move away from python?
[19:11] <jarlath> QUESTION: Have the Raring skunkworks goodies been revealed yet or do we have to wait till release for the surprise?
[19:11] <zebaszp> does Ubuntu Phone OS use Wayland?
[19:11] <apacheyou> hello John
[19:11] <Cormac-W8KWA> zebaszp, it usex x.org
[19:12] <tinyTim> QUESTION: Will we see some features of Ubuntu Phone OS on the Desktop? I for example really like the notifications that have been shown on CES where one can directly respond without opening any app.
[19:12] <apacheyou> why cannot "Canocial" come up with a "Laptop" like Mac Book pro.. which uses ubuntu ?
[19:12] <zebaszp> really? well, that's a shame, but I was stranged by the libwayland0 dependency in the phone os toolkit
[19:12] <apacheyou> why cannot "Canocial" come up with a "Laptop" like Mac Book pro.. which uses ubuntu ?
[19:12] <GabMus_>  Question (maybe you already answered to this, but I'm coming here now): When will Ubuntu for android be released?
[19:12] <jarlath> QUESTION: How can you prevent my local carrier from turning the Ubuntu Phone from something beautiful into something horrible?
[19:12] <JoseeAntonioR> QUESTION: Want some pisco? :)
[19:13] <benkaiser> QUESTION: will there be an option to enable all updates for people with unlimited data plans?
[19:13] <Steam4Linux> How big will ubuntu 1 be with the phone?
[19:13] <apacheyou> why cannot "Canocial" come up with a "Laptop" like Mac Book pro.. which uses ubuntu ?
[19:13] <Cry_> anyone knows when will bumblee work with ubuntu 13.04 ?
[19:13] <apacheyou> why cannot "Canocial" come up with a "Laptop" like Mac Book pro.. which uses ubuntu ?
[19:14] <stavrosLinux> QUESTION: Your Goatee is terrible. Are you going to shave it?
[19:14] <apacheyou> QUESTION : why cannot "Canocial" come up with a "Laptop" like Mac Book pro.. which uses ubuntu ?
[19:15] <apacheyou> QUESTION : why cannot "Canocial" come up with a "Laptop" like Mac Book pro.. which uses ubuntu ?
[19:15] <sarcasmrules> whois apacheyou
[19:15] <cgu1404> QUESTION Will the phone have a lock screen for security reasons.  What will stop someone from stealing my phone, and then messing with it.
[19:20] <varunpriolkar> Cry_: try that: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/use-nvidia-experimental-drivers-310.html
[19:20] <bootkigftrgds> Question:: Do you think Ubuntu will do it's own kickstarter/crowdfunding App. mechanism ??
[19:21] <Cry_> oh, so thats why bumblebee didnt work ? cause i was using 310 nvidia driver?
[19:21] <jimmy_> QUESTION: not all apps will be able tu run in sandbox (e.g. some apps that require root access using device files etc.). Will it be possible to submit an app for manual review process?
[19:21] <neuro> jono_: if you define a standard for the UI ...
[19:22] <cgu1404> QUESTION Will the phone have a lock screen for security reasons. What will stop someone from stealing my phone, and then messing with it.
[19:24] <neuro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protocol) if anyone Would Like to Know More
[19:25] <sarcasmrules> yay! :3
[19:27] <sarcasmrules> thanks!
[19:28] <neuro> \o/
[19:28] <neuro> you're welcome ;)
[19:28] <nxvl> QUESTION: When are you shaving that beard?
[19:29] <jomurgel> I'm sure it's been asked, but any other phones slated for dev builds other than the Galaxy Nexus?  (ie Nexus 4) :)
[19:29] <Hector_Aguilar> QUESTION:What do you think of unity beign port to another distros?, I have Arch and i love unity
[19:29] <sharif> will ubuntu work with the big companies like AUTOCAD and so?
[19:29] <Nikki1993> Jono, when we will see more Python tutorials?
[19:29] <Tuxkalle> Is there a place to downloud Severed Fifth songs?
[19:31] <edjca> What's going on with Ubuntu for Nexus 7? Anything coming soon?
[19:31] <Steam4Linux> How much attention will Ubuntu One get for the phone?
[19:32] <rrnwexec> QUESTION: What is your best "elevator pitch" for the Ubuntu Phone that Ubuntu Evangelists/Advocates can use when trying to get (non-Ubuntu) people excited about it?
[19:33] <bootkigftrgds> QUESTION::How do I et the Ubuntu Advocate Kit into my Lubuntu netbook using the Command Line ?
[19:33] <edjca> QUESTION: What (if any) integration will there be between Ubuntu Phone and Ubuntu Desktop?
[19:34] <Cry_> you are a nice guy :d, how are the other ones behind Ubuntu ? now i know why ubuntu is that good :D
[19:34] <nxvl> jono_: nothing like in UDS-google
[19:34] <jomurgel> QUESTION: (my bad) I'm sure it's been asked, but any other phones slated for dev builds other than the Galaxy Nexus?  (ie Nexus 4) :)
[19:34] <Tuxkalle> QUESTION will ubuntu work with the big companies like AUTOCAD and so?
[19:34] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION How much attention will Ubuntu One get for the phone?
[19:34] <neuro> \o/
[19:34] <neuro> told you the goatee would not be shaved
[19:34] <edjca> QUESTION: What's been going on with Ubuntu for Nexus 7? Was it just a fun project or will more be coming out of it?
[19:35] <Nikki1993> QUESTION: Jono, when we will see more Python tutorials?
[19:35] <sarcasmrules> jomurgel it's depending on which vendors make a deal with Ubuntu
[19:36] <benkaiser> How is landscape orientation on the phone? I have not seen it in any of the demo's
[19:36] <benkaiser> QUESTION: How is landscape orientation on the phone? I have not seen it in any of the demo's
[19:37] <DaveAllen> ^About my previous question regarding a Media Player, I understand what you said, but if you take a look at the OS market, both your competitors have native-looking Media Players. MacOSX-Itunes and MS Windows-Windows Media Player. Rhythmbox is no match for those two right now, neither in the looks nor in the usability department...
[19:37] <bootkigftrgds> ~o?
[19:37] <cmyrland> QUESTION: Will the Galaxy SII be supported when Ubuntu for phones is made public? That phone is cheap and very widespread now.. and the specs should be plenty for Ubuntu?
[19:37] <bootkigftrgds> thanks jono.
[19:37] <Tuxkalle> QUESTION Are the Severed Fifth still making songs :-)
[19:37] <nxvl> apparmor ftw!
[19:37] <StuieT> QUESTION: What integration will there be between an Ubuntu phone and an existing Ubuntu desktop
[19:38] <nik90> QUESTION: If I root my phone with uncustomized ubuntu phone images rather than using a carrier, would I then get the updates to my phone directly from canonical instead of having to wait for them to release it?
[19:38] <zebaszp> QUESTION: how will phone apps work in desktop mode (in superphones)? I've seen how Android apps work with Ubuntu for Android, and it was dreadful. Does the SDK include something related to phone/desktop mode?
[19:38] <yipper> Sounds like some folks just can't manage to grow there own beard *smile*
[19:39] <Tuxkalle> yipper looks like that :-)
[19:40] <jarlath> QUESTION: Does your Nexus actually make calls or is it just a test device?
[19:41] <davmor2> jono_: QUESTION: is the peoples lens from U4A and Phone Coming to the Desktop and is it going to be in sync with U1?
[19:41] <leousa> QUESTION: What does canonical think of the media/press reception of ubuntu phone OS?
[19:41] <brunogirin> QUESTION: will PIM and location be integrated like messages too so that all phone apps can use them?
[19:41] <Cry_> iphone isnt beautiful at all :))
[19:41] <Cormac-W8KWA> QUESTION: Is there plans for a kind of Standardized Video Chat protocal/program to be baked into the Phone OS?
[19:41] <snwh> QUESTION: what does your wife think about ubuntu?
[19:42] <Sid__> QUESTION: Are there any plans on integrating Ubuntu-Tweak-Tool (Mechaning) into Ubuntu by default? There are alot of people (myself incl) that want more customisation by default.
[19:47] <yipper> LOL
[19:47] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Any plans for a unified and consistent Ubuntu SDK, which works across all Ubuntu Platforms (Desktop, Phone, TV) like Apple has with Cocoa or Microsoft with .NET?
[19:50] <bootkigftrgds> QUESTION :: What cafe was your Ubuntu release day at in the US ?? & Are you going to-do again ??
[19:50] <yipper> Question - any idea how or if Ubuntu will integrate mapping features, or will it simply be via a browser?
[19:50] <ivan_01> question : is ubuntu working on speech recognition and language software. very much as google translate.
[19:51] <Cormac-W8KWA> QUESTION: Sevard Fifth, any plans on an Ubuntu/software album? if not why not?
[19:52] <JoseeAntonioR> ok guys, last questions over here, Jono will try to go through all of them
[19:53] <Sid__> QUESTION: I saw a music player app on the phone, which I believe was just a picture. Are you guys working on a music player or webbrowser app?
[19:55] <zebaszp> Jono, I know android apps aren't designed for ubuntu, and that's why they're windowed, but that to me is a tad too ugly. Really happy the Ubuntu SDK does include it, though! And tablets, too!
[19:55] <Andke> Q: is there any method, that will bring attention to serous bugs like gvfs-smb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1075923  ?  Such bugs are a show-stopper to any professional use/corporate use of Ubuntu, and does not seem to get any attention.
[19:56] <Sid__> QUESTION: Where will the next UDS be? Berlin is a perfect city for it ;-)
[19:57] <Andke> Extra info: The SAMBA problem is also a showstopper for anyone with a home server, can't index music fomr a CIFS server, can't relaibly copy photo collection, or play movies.
[19:57] <zebaszp> QUESTION: what browser/rendering engine does the Ubuntu Phone OS use?
[19:57] <noneofthem> QUESTION: Any news on Nautilus? Will Canonical fork it? The official version seems to go in weird direction by removing more and more features.
[19:58] <Cormac-W8KWA> no songs about free software and ubuntu
[19:58] <bootkigftrgds> QUESTION : Will there be a separate 'Manual' for Ubuntu-Phone ?? and will this .PDF be included in the default release ???
[19:59] <Cormac-W8KWA> Ie an album full of songs about free software and ubuntu
[19:59] <sarcasmrules> Question: are you providing the OS for the Steam Box?
[19:59] <OpenTangent> QUESTION: Have Google expressed any interest in releasing native apps? Google Maps for example.
[20:00] <noneofthem> Will the calender on the desktop get some new features like Google integration? Right now there is not much one can do with it. It would be great to get notifications for events etc.
[20:01] <zebaszp> QUESTION: You are awesome! Wait...nevermind...
[20:01] <sarcasmrules> thanks dude!
[20:01] <noneofthem> Thanks a lot for answering all questions!
[20:01] <benkaiser> Thank you :D
[20:01] <netcurli> thank you
[20:01] <Sid__> thx
[20:01] <jarlath> Thanks so much!
[20:01] <yipper> Thanks
[20:01] <Tuxkalle> Thanks you for taking the time
[20:01] <Potet> QUESTION: Is there any chance of getting apps from companies like Google on Ubuntu Phone (not web apps), like Google Music and Google Maps?
[20:01] <neuro> jono_: RESPECT THE BEARD!
[20:02] <zebaszp> Thanks a lot!
[20:02] <bootkigftrgds> Welldone Jono .. great to hear another ubuntuist from blighty !!
[20:02] <Cormac-W8KWA> I guess jono_  doesnt want to do a "Free software" album ;(
[20:02] <jono_> Cormac-W8KWA, all my music is Creative Commons licensed
[20:03] <Cormac-W8KWA> I mean songs about "Free software" an albums worth
[20:03] <Cormac-W8KWA> Wasnt talking about licencing
[20:03] <Andke> Question:  any pland for a fully encrypted Ubuntu One drive ? - Today I only use SpicerOak, the only way to go, is zero-knowledge, real privacy service.
[20:03] <zebaszp> jono_: just for the record, my name is sebastian, and you pronounced my username funny :P
[20:03] <zebaszp> looking forward to the next QA!
[20:03] <zebaszp> love your beard!
[20:04] <jono_> Cormac-W8KWA, oh, might do that in the future
[20:04] <jono_> zebaszp, ahha!
[20:04] <jono_> thanks for letting me know
[20:04] <jono_> and now...lunch!
[20:04] <bootkigftrgds> Great job , Jono, you were brilliant as per usual [!!]
[20:04] <Cormac-W8KWA> Cool love the "Free the software" and Unite songs
[20:04] <Cormac-W8KWA> see ya jono_
[20:04] <jono_> thanks bootkigftrgds!
[20:04] <jono_> laters
[20:07] <shadi> jjj
[20:07] <shadi> cool
[20:07] <Dalk> Q: when will Canonical respond about shopping lens concerns?
[20:09] <Dalk> Q: when Canonical address privacy concerns of shopping lens?
[20:16] <Deluxo>                     QUESTION:  Phoronix did a benchmark for kernels from 3.4 to 3.8 and 3.5 seemed to work the best, and even much better than 3.8. That is current 12.10 kernel is better than 3.8
[20:19] <neuro> Deluxo: Q&A finished 19 minutes ago
[21:22] <nuovodna> any news on compatibility with RIM-BB10 apps with UbuntuPhoneOS System?
[21:43] <burner> jono_: so where can i get my .zip to flash on my galaxy nexus?  I use clockworkmod.  that work?  :)
[23:03] <knoker> Hi there
[23:03] <knoker> Can see you in portugal


[00:00] <daftykins> haha :>
[00:00] <zmoylan-pi> on my super deluxe tesco wharfdale region 0 dvd player...
[00:02] <daftykins> wow a wharfedale eh
[00:02] <zmoylan-pi> no expense spared
[00:02] <daftykins> cor this Firefox Quantum is fast
[00:03] <zmoylan-pi> i've read that
[00:03]  * zmoylan-pi sticks with vivaldi
[00:04] <daftykins> any particular reason, or just fond of underdogs?
[00:05] <zmoylan-pi> deffo a fan of no#2. as casanundra the dwarf said, no#2 tries harder :-)
[00:06] <zmoylan-pi> firefox seems intent on butchering the ui i used to like, chrome is creepy google
[00:06] <zmoylan-pi> when i try chromium i just wonder how much google is left in it
[00:08] <zmoylan-pi> and i used to love opera back in the day
[00:09] <daftykins> not found any issues with FF myself over the moons
[00:09] <diddledan> my first DVD was "sphere"
[00:09] <diddledan> because it came with the DVD drive IIRC
[00:10] <daftykins> mine was Enemy of the State
[00:10] <zmoylan-pi> never seen either
[00:10] <daftykins> i'd just gotten the creative labs 6x drive, Dxr2 decoder card ... and the Pentium 1 wasn't fast enough to play it.
[00:11] <zmoylan-pi> you think that's bad. a mate order a region dvd from usa.  he spent 6 months of having card refused as he was not america, address refused as he was not american so he arranged an american mate to order, pack and deliver it
[00:12] <zmoylan-pi> every step of the way it failed for the most stupid of reasons. till finally it was on it's way.  it was going to arrive the next day.
[00:12] <daftykins> and it didn't have Irish subs?
[00:12]  * daftykins ducks
[00:12] <zmoylan-pi> and someone broke in and stole his dvd player with region switching ability and giant ass tv....
[00:13] <daftykins> !!!
[00:13] <zmoylan-pi> he asks me if i can play it... i asked him to nick the bosses ultraportable tablet jobbie. had a dvd player... you could change the region 3 times... we changed it twice that day :-)
[00:16] <daftykins> heh yeah won't have had the disk space for a rip back then, were it even possible!
[00:16] <daftykins> whether DVD Jon had been bored yet or not...
[00:17] <zmoylan-pi> it was... but it needed 5gb of space free to rip it... but i had no region 1 dvd player that would read it
[00:18] <zmoylan-pi> i was ripping a lot of dvds at work at the time... at night
[00:23] <zmoylan-pi> there was great chinese vcd copy software that worked fine with a bit of adjustment
[00:27] <daftykins> :D
[00:28] <diddledan> Creating snapcraft-temptedly-defunct-ashlee
[00:28] <diddledan> I love those names
[00:29] <daftykins> ceiling cat loves snapcraft
[00:29] <daftykins> oh i have to sleep, the window guy is coming back at 7am ;_;
[00:29] <diddledan> :-o
[00:29] <daftykins> but maybe i'll have finished windows!
[00:29] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[00:29] <diddledan> that's crazy oily
[00:30] <daftykins> yee it's quite mean
[00:30] <daftykins> and the window is in my bedroom so i can't even slink off!
[00:31] <zmoylan-pi> you can do a sharon stone moment :-P
[00:33] <diddledan> you need to open the door in your sexy neglige
[00:34] <daftykins> instead i'm lying in bed and Mischief is cleaning her... rear on the top of the sheets perhaps
[00:34] <daftykins> maybe with a few dead mice draped around for lulz
[00:41] <daftykins> g'night team \o
[05:07] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:17] <diplo> Morning all
[07:17] <SuperMatt> Good morning
[07:27] <MooDoo> morning diplo SuperMatt
[07:46] <diplo> Nearly Friday! How are you both ?
[07:47] <MooDoo> diplo: it's annoying how you can come into work excited about the day ahead, read your emails and then be in a total funk :D
[07:47] <diplo> I want to graph data flow on 3 x Draytek Routers, any of you guys recommend anything ?
[07:47] <diplo> I don't think I ever come to work excited to be honest anymore
[07:47] <diplo> But I see your point
[07:49] <MooDoo> https://www.draytek.co.uk/archive/kb_vigor_dataflowmonitor.html  this help diplo ?
[07:49] <diplo> yeah I use that already, but more I want to collate it somewhere - use SNMP most likely - we monitor the routers already, but want to grab the info remotely to see peaks etc
[07:51] <diplo> opennms looks a bit heavy
[07:53] <MooDoo> nagios? spiceworks?
[07:54] <diplo> We use Nagios ( well I do, not sure anyone else has ever worked on it ) - just looked like a complete PITA, use solarwinds at a previous job, not after a long term solution really but I guess I'll give them all a try
[08:04] <SuperMatt> Monitor nothing! Build for failure
[08:11] <diplo> heh, we've been like that for the last 25 years
[08:11] <diplo> I'm trying to change the company, they're all very old staff and change is hard
[08:12] <MooDoo> diplo: sounds familiar
[08:20] <diplo> Really need to find a job elsewhere, but generally it's easy enough, just the frustration mounts at times
[08:21] <MooDoo> diplo: you sound like me mate lol.....
[08:21] <diplo> heh, my problem I don't do change very often, last job was 13 years, one previous to that was 6, this ones now at 7 :)
[08:22] <MooDoo> diplo: yeah 5 years is my max for the last 4 jobs lol
[08:22] <MooDoo> diplo: ever thought about starting something yourself?
[08:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:24] <diplo> MooDoo: I have lots, my biggest issue is billing people, I suck... I find it hard enough where I am now, I think we're overcharging them :D
[08:25] <diplo> I have a few customers outside work, and sure I could get loads more, they basically pay me what they think I'm worth, works for me
[08:26] <diplo> A friend of mine has also suggested some work, just trying to talk him into it.
[08:27] <diplo> SAP upgrades, he'd do the SAP stuff, I'd do everything else. 50k for a weekends work
[08:39] <MooDoo> diplo: sweet, i've been thinking about doing linux stuff myself, but I'm not brave enough lol
[08:41] <diplo> This would be both linux and windows, I guess the aim is to start without leaving your current job, pick up clientelle until your at a level it needs to be full time
[08:42] <diplo> Enough work to do full time ?
[08:42] <diplo> Can come work for us and sort our company out if you like, could do with someone in the nott office to bang heads :d
[08:43] <MooDoo> diplo: i'd end up killing someone, i'm gobby and loud lol
[08:43] <MooDoo> i'm also tempted to code a web application something for dentists or something like that....
[08:44] <MooDoo> full server with os and application to be installed onsite.....something like that any way
[08:44] <diplo> Problem with that is it would have to be passing lots of checks for data ?
[08:44] <diplo> But sounds like a money making exercise :)
[08:44] <diplo> From what I've seen of their software, it sucks
[08:44] <MooDoo> just in my thoughts at the moment.
[08:50] <MooDoo> brb
[08:53] <diplo> Worth a thought, 10 years ago I was going to write something for takeaways to order online... mates said it was a stupid idea, no we have justeat and a multitude of others :(
[08:55] <daftykins> heh, doh!
[08:55] <daftykins> even the rock has gotten on the bandwagon with food.gg - i see folks with tablets on behind the counter awaiting the orders coming in
[08:59] <diplo> heh, defo the future! although I do hate people being on their phones etc all the time. I ban it when I'm out :)
[09:01] <daftykins> as you should, there's one particular mate and his wife in our group that are both screen watchers
[09:03] <diplo> yeah, we have the same. Sucks really that it's gotten like this
[09:03] <daftykins> if i knew them better i'd definitely say something
[09:04] <diplo> hah, that never stops me :P
[09:04] <daftykins> :D
[09:04] <daftykins> the funny part is that i sometimes think, well if one guy wasn't checking his phone he'd not see me asking where they are!
[09:07] <diplo> :)
[09:10] <daftykins> but yep, lessons for all to rediscover how to be 'present' are definitely tempting
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> isn't there a thing were everyone puts their phone face down on the table and first one to flip it pays penalty?
[12:31] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEkCI7Og9bk
[12:51] <diplo> zmoylan-pi: What I've seen before is sticking it in a pile and the first one to get their phone pays for the meal
[13:11] <diddledan> isn't there a rule about going home with the person whose phone you pick up?
[13:12] <diddledan> grr. what's wrong with mir on my raspi?!
[13:14] <diddledan> Sep 26 20:32:07 localhost mir-kiosk.mir-kiosk[1138]: /snap/mir-kiosk/35/bin/run-miral: line 68:  1639 Floating point exception${SNAP}/usr/bin/${bin_to_run} --vt 1 --arw-file --file /run/mir_socket
[13:54] <diplo> Can't say I know much about ( read nothing ) about MIR
[13:55] <diddledan> me either :-p
[19:48] <foobarry> how does this wifiextender work? https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/cre/NETGEAR-EX2700-100UKS-WiFi-Range-Extender-Wi-Fi-Booster/B00NIUHAG6
[19:49] <daftykins> double hop, don't touch it!
[19:49] <daftykins> a wired or wifi device has to send packets to it, which are then sent again to your main router - so it's a joke
[19:50] <foobarry> my sister hasa dead zone in her house
[19:51] <daftykins> i'd either: 1) cable and put an access point / wired socket on the end 2) try out powerline adapters (depending on the electrical setup in the property)
[19:51] <foobarry> think she tried 2)
[19:51] <daftykins> hrmm
[19:53] <foobarry> access point is double hop but wired link is more reliable i guess
[19:53] <daftykins> yeah it's totally moot when you have a proper cable between, a guy with a big house (technically two houses) i work for, i have a 6 AP setup going on
[19:54] <foobarry> which AP are you using?
[19:55] <daftykins> we've got quite an old setup there, as the place was kitted out from 2010... let's have a look what i'd pick today - is a hardwire run practical there?
[19:56] <daftykins> super low end 2.4GHz only - https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-WA901ND-Wireless-Access-Point/dp/B013HCO332/ or dual band and -ac: https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-WAC104-100UKS-WAC104-Business-Wireless/dp/B01LWUJU8H/
[19:57] <daftykins> you might want to dig further and find something moddable with an open firmware though, not sure
[19:58] <foobarry> thx
[19:58] <daftykins> np ^_^
[20:27] <daftykins> anyone had any exposure to older ADSL2 Draytek Vigor routers? curious whether it's worth trusting their VPN features
[20:42] <zmoylan-pi> older... vpn... not words to enspire trust? :-)
[20:42] <daftykins> indeed
[20:42] <daftykins> and theirs is on an outdated firmware too XD only a small office but so many things for me to tackle
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> on these occasions i am reminded of the wise words in ronin... if there is any doubt there is no doubt :-)
[20:43] <daftykins> :D
[20:44]  * zmoylan-pi makes note to watch great film again...
[21:04]  * zmoylan-pi currently is watching darmok of tng... great episode
[21:29] <diddledan> 21st of September: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERoo4_xX478
[21:30] <diddledan> at least we didn't blow up the planet
[21:31] <daftykins> well, today
[21:31] <daftykins> er, well you know - then :P
[21:33] <diddledan> youtube is annoying me with adverts for converse where miley cyrus is pretending to be a journalist/interviewer
[21:34] <diddledan> the problem is she's interviewing people who just wanted exposure
[21:34] <diddledan> it's painful
[21:36] <ali1234> haha so the alert turned out to be just regular evangelical christian broadcasting the same thing they broadcast every day?
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> they're adverts.... pitched at people who watch adverts... you'd need to be some flippin eejit to like them
[21:42] <daftykins> diddledan: no adblocker? o0
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> whenever i see other peoples browsers i'm reminded of tv in idiocracy... http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/idiocracy-ow-my-balls.jpg
[21:46] <diddledan> I love Ow! My Balls!
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> they never bettered you've been framed
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> well except for the japanese game show endurance but there the pain was often mental
[21:52] <daftykins> as a viewer or contestant?
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> i mean when you saw what they did to the contestants it made you realise why it took to late 70s to get that soldier to give up...
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEOz7gaFfmU
[21:56] <daftykins> :S


[06:12] <FourDollars> Does getRequestedReviews https://api.launchpad.net/devel.html support Git merge proposal?
[06:30] <cjwatson> FourDollars: I think not.  I have a half-completed branch for that lying around from ages ago ...
[06:31] <FourDollars> cjwatson: OK. I see. Is there any way to use Launchpad API to get Git merge proposal?
[06:33] <FourDollars> Probably no way right now. :-(
[06:43] <cjwatson> FourDollars: There are several, but your question is too vague
[06:43] <cjwatson> FourDollars: It's really just person.getRequestedReviews that's broken IIRC.  Everything else in the API that returns a collection of branch_merge_proposal entries should work fine.
[06:45] <FourDollars> cjwatson: For example, I would like to check the merge proposal for https://code.launchpad.net/~oem-solutions-group/oem-dev-tools/+git/lp-fish-tools/+ref/master.
[06:45] <cjwatson> FourDollars: Oh, well person.getRequestedReviews would have been no use to you anyway then.
[06:45] <FourDollars> cjwatson: How can I use Launchpad API to see the merge proposal?
[06:46] <cjwatson> FourDollars: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#git_ref-getMergeProposals
[06:47] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Cool. Thx a lot.
[06:47] <cjwatson> git_ref = lp.load('/~oem-solutions-group/oem-dev-tools/+git/lp-fish-tools/+ref/master')
[06:47] <cjwatson> git_ref.getMergeProposals()
[06:47] <cjwatson> works
[06:51] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Yes, it works. Thx a lot.
[18:24] <mira|koepping> what does the REJECT reason “Cannot build any of the architectures requested: all” mean?
[18:59] <mira|koepping> … ah, if I only have i386 enabled in the repo it won’t work. WTF?
[18:59] <mira|koepping> enabling amd64 makes it work, somehow
[18:59] <mira|koepping> this is new
[19:00] <mira|koepping> I know for sure this used to work
[19:00] <tomwardill> mira|koepping: are you attempting to build for focal?
[19:01] <tomwardill> (20.04)
[19:02] <mira|koepping> yes
[19:16] <tomwardill> mira|koepping: i386 building is limited for focal, you'll want to build on amd64 instead.
[19:19] <mira|koepping> interesting
[19:19] <mira|koepping> are you going to drop it?
[19:33] <RikMills> mira|koepping: https://ubuntu.com/blog/statement-on-32-bit-i386-packages-for-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-lts
[19:42] <mira|koepping> ah ok, so basically dropping i386 except select packages for M-A to support games and wine
[19:42] <mira|koepping> thanks for the link


[00:13] <lickalott> .
[00:13] <swimfins> yes yes
[00:18] <fluvvell> ...
[00:22] <swimfins> ah go to /dev/null to p
[00:33] <JoeCoder> I'm logged in as root and I added a new sh file to /etc/cron.daily  It is +x.  It runs fine when I run it as my root user (from any directory, all paths are absolute), but it is not being executed by cron.
[00:33] <JoeCoder> are there any log files I can check?  There is no /var/log/cron file.
[00:34] <JoeCoder> crontab -e shows an empty cron file.  Do I need to make an entry in order for cron.daily to be used?
[00:36] <JoeCoder> maybe because my file does not begin with #!/bin/bash ?
[00:38] <swimfins> you don't need the sh-bang but you do need to tell it when you want it to run
[00:39] <JoeCoder> so I need to add a cron entry before cron-daily is run?
[00:39] <JoeCoder> it's not automatic?
[00:39] <JoeCoder> (I had assumed I could just dump scripts in that folder)
[00:41] <swimfins> no, you
[00:42] <swimfins> you're right
[00:42] <JoeCoder> what user does cron run the script as?
[00:42] <swimfins> that should work.  You will see job info in /var/log/syslog
[00:42] <JoeCoder> perhaps it's failing due to some environment difference.  Is there a way to make it log?
[00:42] <JoeCoder> ok
[00:43] <swimfins> from ubuntu.com "When adding a new entry to a blank crontab, forgetting to add a newline at the end is a common source for the job not running. If the last line in the crontab does not end with a newline, no errors will be reported at edit or runtime, but that line will never run."
[00:44] <JoeCoder> wow
[00:44] <JoeCoder> I had no newlines
[00:44] <JoeCoder> that seems like it should be a bug?
[00:44] <JoeCoder> a bug that should be easy to fix and should have been fixed long ago?
[00:45] <JoeCoder> grep server-backup /var/log/syslog found no instances of my server-backup.sh running.
[00:45] <swimfins> I believe that the newline would follow all entries except the last one
[00:46] <JoeCoder> the last line of my server-backup.sh had a complete command followed by no newline.
[00:46] <JoeCoder> so the last line was not "black"
[00:46] <JoeCoder> "blank"
[00:47] <swimfins> I think you just need to remember to do a cr after the last line
[00:47] <swimfins> so you have the backup script in /etc/cron.daily?
[00:47] <JoeCoder> yes, and it is +x
[00:48] <JoeCoder> there was no cr after the last line
[00:48] <JoeCoder> I am thinking that cron.daily is run at 10:25am ?  https://gist.github.com/e3281cd38fd62dbafc7a
[00:49] <JoeCoder> I am wondering why that time was chosen?
[00:49] <swimfins> so, in that case yes, you do need the shebang at the start #!/bin/?shell?
[00:49] <JoeCoder> I've added that too
[00:50] <JoeCoder> I am about to change my time to 10:24 and see if this is run.  This is not a production server (yet)
[00:50] <JoeCoder> unless there is a better way to test cron jobs?
[00:52] <swimfins> you do need to add each one to crontab
[00:53] <swimfins> and you can change the time from there
[00:53] <JoeCoder> so cron.daily is not automatic?
[00:53] <swimfins> no
[00:53] <swimfins> 02 4 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily
[00:53] <swimfins> will run at 4:02
[00:53] <JoeCoder> then why is it an entry in the github post above?
[00:54] <JoeCoder> the github post above is my current /etc/crontab file
[00:55] <JoeCoder> I did not add any of those entries.  I'm unfamiliar with the commands run, but I see /etc/cron.daily referenced.
[00:55] <swimfins> sorry missed that
[00:55] <JoeCoder> I set my time to 10:24:55 but my cron job was not run, and I do not see it referenced in /var/log/syslog
[00:55] <swimfins> you're running anacron
[00:56] <JoeCoder> I'm on ubunt 10.04; haven't modified this since install.
[00:57] <JoeCoder> this is a cloud server.  perhaps my host (rackspace) has it modified version of ubuntu that is used?
[00:57] <swimfins> make sure it's at /usr/sbin/anacron
[00:57] <swimfins> Not sure
[00:58] <JoeCoder> it's not
[00:58] <jmarsden> JoeCoder: the run-parts script is what runs all the scripts in a directory, so it makes /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} work.  The reason for doing it is primarily flexibility; if you really need the daily stuff to run at a different time from usual, you can change /etc/crontab as needed.  But by default, /etc/cron.daily/* scripts will run daily, etc.
[00:58] <jmarsden> Your issue is that you named the script server-backup.sh.  Name it serverbackup instead and it will run fine.
[01:00] <JoeCoder> there is another file in cron.daily named "man-db"  dates to Mar 2 2010 and I suspect it is part of the ubuntu install.
[01:00] <jmarsden> JoeCoder: The namespaces for the scripts run-parts will accept are limited, man run-parts for the details if you really care.
[01:00] <JoeCoder> I'm still renaming it and seeing if it works
[01:00] <jmarsden> JoeCoder: OK, so server-backup is probably OK... maybe it is the period that is breaking it... I just know the namespace stuff is odd from past experience.
[01:01] <swimfins> jmarsden, the script is running /usr/sbin/anacron, not run-patrs
[01:01] <swimfins> run-parts
[01:01] <jmarsden> Wait... someone just pasted 02 4 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily above... amd I confused??
[01:02] <swimfins> that was me.  I didn't see the github post
[01:02] <JoeCoder> that was from a stackoverflow answer, as an example
[01:02] <jmarsden> swimfins: Why would a hosted server that is up 24x7 use a non-standard cron ???  Makes no sense.
[01:03] <swimfins> not sure, check out his crontab here:  https://gist.github.com/e3281cd38fd62dbafc7a
[01:04] <jmarsden> JoeCoder: You can test whether run-parts likes your script by doing   sudo run-parts --test /etc/cron.daily  to list all th scripts it will run from that directory.
[01:04] <JoeCoder> renaming it to serverbackup has not fixed it.  It has a shebang at the beginning and a line return at the end.  grep serverbackup /var/log/syslog returns nothing
[01:04] <JoeCoder> run-parts --test /etc/cron.daily lists serverbackup among all the other files there
[01:05] <jmarsden> JoeCoder: Who or what edited your /etc/crontab file?
[01:05] <JoeCoder> it has never been edited
[01:05] <swimfins> jmarsden is THE MAN by the way.  Fixed a problem that I was working on for days in about 10 minutes
[01:05] <JoeCoder> since setting up this server I have saved all modifying commands to a shell script, for reproducability.
[01:05] <JoeCoder> I'm just thankful for all the help I'm getting here.  This is a great channel.
[01:05] <jmarsden> JoeCoder: Hmm. OK... do you have anacron installed?  what does    dpkg -l anacron     output?
[01:05] <JoeCoder> I'm relatively new to linux sysadmin
[01:06]  * jmarsden has been doing Unix and Linux sysadmin work since 1994 :)
[01:06] <JoeCoder> https://gist.github.com/0228fef1aad25bf054e0  seems it's not?
[01:07] <JoeCoder> strange that it's set to be used but not installed?  Maybe I'll have a chat with rackspace support if this turns out to be the cause.
[01:07] <jmarsden> JoeCoder: OK, good.  No, you don't want anacron on a server that is up 24x7
[01:07] <JoeCoder> so I'll switch it to cron
[01:07] <jmarsden> leave it alone :)
[01:07] <JoeCoder> becuase the current crontab references anacron?
[01:07] <jmarsden> It will use anacron if it is there, if not it will use run-parts.
[01:07] <JoeCoder> ok
[01:07] <jmarsden> But swimfins said you were not using run-parts...
[01:08] <JoeCoder> my /etc/crontab references run-parts
[01:08] <jmarsden> So, run-parts can see your serverbackup script just fine.
[01:08] <jmarsden> Is there any problem with us running all your cron.daily scripts right now, as a test?
[01:08] <JoeCoder> nope.  I was about to ask if I should remove the -test argument.
[01:09] <JoeCoder> run-parts: failed to exec /etc/cron.daily/serverbackup: Exec format error
[01:09] <JoeCoder> so there's a problem with my script
[01:09] <jmarsden> Aha.  pastebin the script itself please :)
[01:09] <jmarsden> Probably an issue with the #! line
[01:10] <swimfins> eww, I just looked at it again, didn't notice the pipe
[01:10] <JoeCoder> https://gist.github.com/0228fef1aad25bf054e0
[01:11] <JoeCoder> aha, there's a line return before my #!
[01:11] <JoeCoder> but pastebin doesn't show it (trims empty lines at start?)
[01:11] <jmarsden> OK, remove the empty line and retest :)
[01:12] <JoeCoder> seems to be working now
[01:13] <jmarsden> Cool :)
[01:13] <JoeCoder> thanks
[01:13] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[01:15] <KM0201> how do you pastebin the contents of a file, from CLI?
[01:15] <JoeCoder> depends on what program is displaying the CLI
[01:15] <jmarsden> pastebinit filename
[01:15] <KM0201> really?
[01:15] <KM0201> hmm
[01:16] <jmarsden> KM or for pastebinning output from some commands,   somecommand |pastebinit
[01:16] <JoeCoder> wow, pastebinit actually is a valid package
[01:16] <JoeCoder> apt-get install pastebinit
[01:16] <jmarsden> Of course :)
[01:16] <KM0201> jmarsden: yeah, i know how to do it w/ commands
[01:16] <KM0201> just didn't know how to do it w/ the contents of a file
[01:16] <jmarsden> KM0201: well, if you know it for commands, cat file |pastebinit    would also work, cat is a command ... :)
[01:17] <jmarsden> It's just that pastebinit filename  is more efficient :)
[01:17] <KM0201> yeah
[01:18] <KM0201> i'll be darned, it worked
[01:19] <jmarsden> Did you really expect me to tell you something that *wouldn't* work? :)
[01:21] <KM0201> jmarsden: no.. just surprised i'd never figured that out.
[01:21] <KM0201> lol
[01:21] <KM0201> jmarsden: i had tried pastebinit | /path/to/filename
[01:21] <KM0201> and that was no joy.
[01:21] <KM0201> didn't think the way you did it, would work
[01:21] <jmarsden> KM0201: next time, man pastebinit and read the man page :)   man pages contain useful information...
[01:22] <KM0201> jmarsden: yeah, but they make my head hurt.
[01:22] <KM0201> lol
[01:22] <KM0201> i wish you could save them to a txt file, and read them that way
[01:22] <KM0201> second, the man pages, often get a little to geeky for my understanding
[01:23] <jmarsden> Huh?    man pastebinit >pastebinit.txt    # if you really need it as a text file....
[01:23] <KM0201> hmm, didn't know that
[01:23] <jmarsden> but why do you need them as a text file?
[01:24] <jmarsden> Use whatever pager you prefer, you get highlighting (bold, underline, etc) that way...
[01:24] <jmarsden> Or use xman or similar to view them in a GUI if you really want to have them look pretty :)
[01:26] <jmarsden> There are *many* ways to view man pages ... stuffing them into text files seems like a very low-end choice to me on a modern PC...
[01:29] <KM0201> jmarsden: i just hate reading them in terminal
[01:29] <KM0201> lol, call me crazyu
[01:30] <twb> 1 plum.cyber.com.au mdadm: RebuildFinished event detected on md device /dev/md1, component device  mismatches found: 22144
[01:30] <jmarsden> So... use man -Tdvi and then dvi2pdf and read them in pretty PDF format, or whatever... just not a plain text file :)
[01:30] <twb> Should I worry about that?
[01:30] <twb> jmarsden: man -Tps | ps2pdf - tmp.pdf ?
[01:30] <KM0201> lol
[01:31] <jmarsden> twb: Well, a RAID rebuild is a bad thing unless you specifically asked for it... and 22K mismatches doesn't sound nice, although I don't know exactly what they mean... it might have "fixed" them all?
[01:31] <twb> jmarsden: ubuntu systems resync raid @monthly
[01:31] <twb> The question is whether the mismatches are significant
[01:32] <jmarsden> OK, so it happened by design...  If I saw something like that on a hardware raid controller I'd be worried... don't do enough with Ubuntu/Debian software RAID to know if it matters in that context, though.
[01:33] <twb> The host in question has write-intent bitmaps turned on, 2×RAID1 250MB HDDs
[01:33] <twb> I'll just lurk until an md expert wakes up, I guess
[01:33] <jmarsden> twb: Can you run SMART tests on the two drives?
[01:34] <twb> Good question.  smart ought to be already deployed, lemme check
[01:34] <jmarsden> OK, I need to go out for a while, but will be back later.  I'd check SMART and also check your backups, while waiting for that md expert to arrive :)
[01:35] <twb> That's odd, smartmontools starts without any syslog output, despite a missing -d ata in smartd.conf
[02:27] <Bernhard> after installing ubuntu server 11.4 i get these errors. On reboot the file system /boot is corrupted. When i repair this disk with knoppix cd it says it was uncleanly unmounted. after repair it boots normal. But after a reboot i gives the same error. The error message is Cannot write bytes: pipe error. Basicly it does not unmount /boot correctly. Then i installed Debian to see if it was
[02:27] <Bernhard> a software issue. But the i get about a similar error. When Debian shuts down it says something like this: cannot unmount file system failed.  So it seems it is some sort of same issue.. idears ?
[02:28] <twb> Bernhard: that information is not precise enough to isolate the fault.
[02:29] <Bernhard> oke let me see the exact error
[02:29] <twb> How was /boot "corrupt"?
[02:31] <Bernhard> ubuntu.. on reboot it says mountall fsck /boot [344] terminated with status 1
[02:31] <Bernhard> could not write bytes : pipe error
[02:31] <twb> That doesn't mean it's necessarily corrupt.
[02:32] <twb> Exit status 1 from fsck actually means: 1    - File system errors corrected
[02:32] <Bernhard> after that it show about 60 times  could not write bytes : pipe error on screen
[02:33] <twb> The pipe error output sounds like dd or something is getting its knickers in a twist
[02:33] <twb> It suggests there's some problem with the boot process' init scripts
[02:33] <twb> I speculate that what's happening is that after fsck finds and fixes an error, it tries to report that to ubuntu's crappy in-house splash code, which fails
[02:34] <twb> And because that fails, the entire boot process just hangs
[02:34] <twb> Unfortunately upstart/mountall/usplash issues are a bitch to debug, especially over the phone (or IRC).
[02:35] <twb> IMO your best bet at this point is to try installing LTS server
[02:36] <Bernhard> btw the system does not hang after that error.. i can login..  Its true i made an image with dd.. Both the source drive and target give these errors. both drives are new. But it might be that the source disk had this error earlier..
[02:39] <twb> What does "you made an image with dd" mean?
[02:39] <twb> Maybe you did that wrong
[02:48] <Bernhard> i did dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb sb=4M
[02:49] <twb> Ah, OK
[02:49] <twb> That should be fine, except that grub will probably boot off sda still unless you physicall unplug it
 when i make /boot only readeble it does not give those errors..
[02:55] <twb> Bernhard: that is interesting
[02:59] <twb> jmarsden: FYI, the md issue appears to be caused by hosting swap on the md: debbugs 518834
[03:00] <Bernhard> i'm off. .bey
[04:00] <Stev66> hiya
[04:00] <Stev66> I've a little understanding problem with PHP error reporting. In the php.ini I have display_errors = On; and error_reporting = Off; By default I don't want to display errors. However I want to be able to switch them on by script.  When I add this line to my script: error_reporting(E_ALL);  i expected it to display all errors but parse errors for example got straight into a blank page. Am I not allowed to override the php.ini
[04:02] <Stev66> I'm running Ubuntu 10 LTS and php 5.3.2
[04:02] <twb> I don't know how, but our PHP weenie made his PHP app report errors via syslog(3).  IMO this is desirable.
[04:03] <twb> Could be /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini:error_log = syslog ?
[04:04] <Stev66> yes, I'm looging the errors too but there's demand for external developers that they can also see errors while running the script.
[04:04] <twb> Dunno, sorry.
[04:04] <twb> You could also try ##php of course
[04:06] <Stev66> I think you only get in there by invitation....(Channel)
[04:09] <twb> More likely you need to register your nick
[04:09] <twb> FWIW I can get there
[04:21] <JRWR> having a issue with NGINX, nginx: [emerg] bind() to [::]:80 failed (98: Address already in use) after a upgrade from 0.7 to 1.0 same config, i checked netstat -l and it states nothing is on port 80, and i did a simple connect, nothing is on that port -- Ubuntun 10.04LTS
[04:26] <twb> JRWR: that's [::]:80, not *:80
[04:26] <twb> JRWR: i.e. IPv6
[04:26] <JRWR> For the logs, The issue was resloved, Had a extra config from install in sites-enabled
[04:27] <JRWR> and with nginx [::]:80 listens on ipv4 and v5
[04:27] <JRWR> v6*
[04:32] <elz89> I am trying to get 'fuppes' running on ubuntu-server, but I am having some problems. I'm not sure where to start looking for the cause?
[04:35] <twb> Is this significant?  e1000: eth0: e1000_clean_tx_irq: Detected Tx Unit Hang
[04:36] <twb> elz89: http://bugs.debian.org/426048
[05:02] <elz89> twb: I have had a look but I can't see what will help?
[05:03] <twb> If you want fuppes on Ubuntu you should work with those people to get it packaged.
[05:03] <jmarsden> elz89: Did you install fuppes from a package?  If not, then doing so might well help.
[05:04] <twb> jmarsden: I was eliding the "some deb I found" case, because I don't consider it substantially better than "some tarball I found" -- ref. e.g. webmin
[05:05] <jmarsden> twb: The packages mentioned in that bug should be quite  a bit better than a random tarball, they were at least aiming for Debian/Ubuntu packaging quality...
[05:10] <twb> jmarsden: mea culpa, I didn't bother to read the whole ticket
[05:14] <elz89> I  use the GetDeb Apps PPA. The 'fuppes' package is from the repo.
[05:19] <twb> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/getdeb_apps ?
[05:20] <twb> Ah, http://www.getdeb.net/welcome/
[05:20] <twb> Sounds like arch-for-ubuntu: "integration testing?  What is that?"
[05:21] <elz89> twb: your first url was right
[05:31] <elz89> ever used it, or do you have any ideas how I can fix it?
[05:32] <twb> I don't provide support for third-party PPAs, but if you can describe the precise issue, it might be something I can help with anyway.
[05:34] <elz89> To be fair, I am only looking at 'fuppes' because I have used it as part of FreeNAS a while ago. Can you recommend an alternative upnp media server for ubuntu server natty?
[05:34] <twb> I avoid UPNP because I heard it's basically a big gaping security hole.
[05:35] <elz89> How else can I stream music to my PS3 then...
[05:36]  * lickalott researches elz89's host
[05:36] <lickalott> i kid, i kid...
[05:40] <elz89> I'm cloaked?
[06:11] <twb> elz89: apparently you are cloaked: 16:11 *** 311 elz89 ~elz89 unaffiliated/elz89 * Elliot Still
[06:12] <twb> elz89: and yeah, unless you're going to reflash ubuntu onto your PS3, I don't know how you can make it play your music
[06:12] <twb> I remember when I first ran into that (with a 360) -- "what do you mean it's not just talking CIFS to the NAS?!"
[07:46] <rickspencer3> hi all
[07:46] <rickspencer3> is there an easy way to see what formulas I have available (for ensemble)?
[07:47] <twb> Hrmph; "formula" sounds like a bit of a mixed metaphor for orchestra/ensemble
[07:47] <twb> rickspencer3: (I don't know.)
[07:48] <twb> Surely it should be more like "score"
[07:48] <rickspencer3> hi twb
[07:48] <rickspencer3> they are musicians who are also chemists
[07:48] <rickspencer3> eer, mathematicians?
[07:49] <twb> rickspencer3: either holds
[08:28] <rickspencer3> twb, btw, I figured it out
[08:29] <twb> k
[08:29] <rickspencer3> you branch the specific recipes that you want to use
[08:29] <rickspencer3> it was just *too* easy ;)
[09:26] <elz89> twb: did you have any ideas on fuppes in the end?
[09:33] <twb> elz89: hmm?  Sorry, no
[09:33] <twb> elz89: "not my field" or so
[09:35] <elz89> do you know any good dlna media servers for ubuntu server?
[09:38] <twb> See above: not my field
[09:38] <twb> elz89: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Comparison_of_UPnP_AV_media_servers ?
[09:40] <elz89> twb: OK, thanks all the same.
[09:40] <twb> I don't understand what the "source control" column of that page means, since it has "FTP" and "HTTP" in there for some rows
[10:17] <CoreStyx> hello, anybody familiar with ubuntu-server 11.04
[10:20] <CoreStyx> very specific problem, and I nailed it down on the weekend. does not seem that it was already noticed in that way. It is regarding "mdadm -> RAID1 and on top LVM volume. As soon as lvm sits on top of md0, respectivly no specific file system was created on top of md0 ->udev-work throws inotfy_add_watch(6 ,/dev/md9,10) failed: no such device.
[10:24] <CoreStyx> This is because udev tries to add some kind of event watcher, which I can not get rid of. Does anybody knows ubuntu so deeply to give an answer to this? I googled... bug/feature...etc. but nobody saw it in this context. All I need to find out how to tell udev to leave md0 as it is, since lvm locks it and of course a watcher can not be installed anymore.
[11:29] <jasonmsp> Anyone know how to send the F10 key in terminal to close htop?   Im on Ubuntu 11.04 connected to my server which is 10.04/
[11:30] <Jeeves_> jasonmsp: There's a button on your keyboard
[11:30] <Jeeves_> labeled 'F10'
[11:30] <Jeeves_> :)
[11:30] <jasonmsp> nice..
[11:30] <jasonmsp> problem is it isn't sending it through the terminal.
[11:31] <Pici> close htop? I just press 'q'
[11:33] <jasonmsp> yikes!  I was so channelized on the fact that the F10 key is listed at the bottom for exit that I didn't even try q!  ha.  thanks!
[12:01] <CoreStyx> nobody here who knows?
[12:03] <Jeeves_> CoreStyx: You're doing md on top of lvm?
[12:03] <CoreStyx> the other way around...
[12:03] <CoreStyx> lvm on top of md
[12:05] <Jeeves_> Ah, ok
[12:05] <Jeeves_> That makes more sense indeed
[12:06] <Jeeves_> Sorry
[12:06] <Jeeves_> I'm not running 11.04 anywhere
[12:06] <CoreStyx> did you ever try something like it ?
[12:07] <Jeeves_> No, I don't really like Ubuntu 11.*
[12:07] <Jeeves_> So i'm still at lucid
[12:50] <Ursinha> bom dia
[12:53] <beric> guys how do I make my package depend on java JDK without specifying implementation ?
[12:54] <beric> I don't want to force sun jdk or openjdk
[12:57] <reisi> beric: java5-runtime java6-runtime?
[12:58] <reisi> beric: or those are for -jre's; for jdk's there seem to be java5-sdk and java6-sdk
[13:00] <beric> reisi: how can I verify that? apt-get install java6-jdk says no such package
[13:01] <reisi> beric: java6-*sdk*
[13:01] <beric> thanks !! :)
[13:01] <reisi> beric: aptitude show opendjdk-6-jdk | grep Provides:
[13:02] <reisi> beric: though, i'm no debian packager, but afaik this is exactly what those virtual packages are for
[13:03] <beric> Yes and that's exactly what I wanted.  I knew there was a virtual package for that but I just couldn't figure out the names.
[13:16] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pong
[13:35] <lynxman> Ursinha: bom dia!
[13:35] <Ursinha> lynxman: bon dia :)
[13:38] <hggdh> Ursinha: good dia
[13:38] <Ursinha> hggdh: bonjour :)
[13:38] <hggdh> :-)
[13:43] <hggdh> Daviey: did you get with Colin? (I am curious)
[13:43]  * nigelb blinks, looks at channel name, blinks again.
[13:47]  * RoyK doubleblinks
[13:48]  * hggdh closes eyes
[13:48] <Daviey> hggdh: not grabbed him yet
[13:48] <RoyK> http://xkcd.com/924/
[13:48]  * Jeeves_ is thinking about tmi
[13:50] <Daviey>
[13:50] <Daviey> /win 2
[13:50] <jpds>
[14:07] <lynxman> smoser: ping
[14:08] <philsf> Hi, can someone give me suggestions for webmail clients available in Lucid repos?
[14:09] <philsf> The more user-friendly, the merrier. People here don't like the vanilla squirrelmail
[14:09] <greppy> philsf: either roundcube or squirrelmail
[14:10] <lynxman> +1 for roundcube, it looks pretty nice
[14:11] <Daviey> roundcube doesn't handle very large mailboxes with lots of folders that well.
[14:12] <greppy> I haven't had any problems with it, what kind of IMAP had problems?
[14:13] <patdk-wk> roundcube would be simple and easy
[14:21] <philsf> will check them out, thanks
[14:25] <CoreStyx> how to report a server bug... 11.04
[14:29] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: nevermind :) wanted to know how warm were TX nights
[14:29] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: "very"  :-)
[14:30] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: hehe feels just like Miami
[14:30] <Ganymede> Hello. I have an existing CSR and private key with no subjectAlternativeName field. I'd like to add a pair of DNS names as SANs to the pre-existing CSR. I tried something like: "openssl req -new -in original.csr -config test-conf -out revised.csr -key myprivkey.key" and the config file has some stuff in it and a list of the DNS names to go into the SAN field. Does this sound like the correct approach?
[14:36] <lynxman> hallyn: ping
[14:45] <bernhard1> is it possible to set up LVM for all partitions except for /boot ??
[14:48] <_ruben> that's how i setup 99% of all my systems
[14:49] <Pici> bernhard1: mount a different partition onto /boot/
[14:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: when you coming btw?
[14:50] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: tomorrow
[14:50] <lynxman> (he just told me)
[14:50] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: either this afternoon, or tomorrow
[14:50] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: robbiew recommended that I come tomorrow, I think
[14:52] <patdk-wk> if I setup an lvm system, I set /boot as non-lvm
[14:52] <patdk-wk> but I am so used to using vm's now, I never use lvm on a vm
[14:53] <_ruben> patdk-wk: why not?
[14:53] <patdk-wk> just doesn't seem any use for me, and adds extra complexity
[14:54] <patdk-wk> if I need to make it larger, grow the vm disk size, and expand partition
[14:54] <patdk-wk> and the issue I mainly have with lvm, mounting that disk on another system gets to be a pain if they have the same lvm names
[14:54] <bernhard1> is it possible to set up LVM for all partitions except for /boot ??
[14:55] <Pici> bernhard1: What part of the answer that I supplied doesn't help?
[14:55] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok cool ;)
[14:56] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: lol
[14:56] <_ruben> probably the part where his connection had already died... ;)
[14:56] <patdk-wk> pici, the part that he has a crappy irc connection, and it hasn't timed out yet
[14:56] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: hey btw do you have experience with LXC?
[14:57] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: nope unfortunatlely :(
[14:57] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: dang, trying to get ahold of smoser :)
[14:57] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: zul hallyn might be able to help you too
[14:58] <zul> RoAkSoAx: i already beat him over the head with the lxc stick this morning :)
 can you repeat your answer i was disconnected..
[14:58] <RoAkSoAx> zul: hahah good :)
[14:58] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: it's out of zul's range and hallyn doesn't reply either :]
[14:58] <Pici> bernhard1: <Pici> bernhard1: mount a different partition onto /boot/
[15:02] <robbiew> zul: you cry from the beauty that is Milbank, yet
[15:05] <lynxman> robbiew: he does :)
[15:06] <zul> robbiew: a single tear went down my cheek
[15:13] <hallyn> ~>
[15:13] <hallyn> ~>
[15:13] <hallyn> ~>
[15:13] <hallyn> sorry
[15:14] <hallyn> lynxman: hi
[15:14] <lynxman> hallyn: hi o/
[15:15] <hallyn> lynxman: i'll be slow responding, whats up?
[15:15] <lynxman> hallyn: I have an issue with LXC and several people here pointed me in your direction
[15:15] <lynxman> hallyn: got openstack + LXC running, all good except that when I try to start an instance the instance complains about lack of permissions, for example for creating dev entries
[15:18] <lynxman> hallyn: have you found this problem before and if so, any suggested solution path or places to look further?
[15:20] <hallyn> lynxman: you probably need to add whitelist entries to the devices cgroup for the container
[15:20] <hallyn> you can set those in the contianer config file
[15:20] <hallyn> (and/or in the one used at container create time)
[15:21] <lynxman> hallyn: cool, will look into that
[15:21] <zul> hallyn: libvirt though
[15:21] <lynxman> zul: that's true, it's libvirt
[15:23] <hallyn> zul: lynxman: oh!
[15:26] <hallyn> sorry, libvirt is not extensible like that.  so you'll have to change the whitelist at run-time
[15:26] <lynxman> hallyn: hmm okay... so how can I do it? =)
[15:27] <hallyn> switch to liblx?  :)
[15:27] <hallyn> lynxman: look at /proc/$$?cgroups for a task in the container,
[15:27] <hallyn> get the path for the devices cgroup,
[15:28] <hallyn> and then echo something like "c 1:3 a" > /sys/fs/cgroup/path/to/cgroup/devices.allow
[15:28] <hallyn> (if youwant /dev/null access:)
[15:28] <hallyn> substitute b for block, and maj:minor
[15:29] <lynxman> hallyn: cool!
[15:30] <hallyn> lynxman: but talk to zul, i thought he had a patch for using lxc.sf.net with openstack
[15:30] <zul> hallyn: almost....not ready yet
[15:30] <lynxman> hallyn: I have him sitting just in front of me
[15:30]  * lynxman stares at zul
[15:30] <hallyn> careful with those daggers
[15:31] <hallyn> ok, thx, lemme know if you have problems :)
[15:31] <lynxman> hallyn: he has a huge ruler, like... 70cms long
[15:31] <lynxman> hallyn: thanks :)
[15:51] <Ursinha> 3g for the rescue
[15:51] <Ursinha> (or not)
[15:54] <robbiew> zul: Daviey: DMB opening (wink wink)
[15:54] <robbiew> lol
[15:55] <zul> robbiew: uh huh :)
[15:56] <robbiew> zul: just sayin...would be nice to have some more server folks ;)
[15:56] <robbiew> we gotta represent!
[15:56] <zul> dont you have to nominate people?
[16:05] <Slyboots> AFternoon folk
[16:06] <Slyboots> Anyone here familure with Mdadm?  Using a RAID6 array and added a disk to the array and "Grew" the array into it.
[16:06] <Slyboots> But its giving an ETA of 6000mins..
[16:10] <Slyboots> BDoes that sound right?
[16:16] <Ursinha> lynxman: hey, you really should be assigned to bug 807233?
[16:16] <lynxman> Ursinha: I marked it as incomplete I think... let me have a look
[16:17] <Ursinha> lynxman: yes, you did, but you're also assigned to it
[16:18] <lynxman> Ursinha: ah okay, I'll assign it to myself then :)
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: you in london yet?
[16:18] <lynxman> Ursinha: ah I did already :D
[16:18] <lynxman> Ursinha: the guy didn't reply so I reckon I can close it?
[16:18] <Ursinha> haha but why? are you going to work on that?
[16:19] <Ursinha> lynxman: I believe you should wait for him to reply... if not, the bug will expire
[16:19] <lynxman> Ursinha: I asked for more info but he didn't reply, that's why I'm asking, first time I got one bug hanging
[16:20] <MTecknology> Any ideas how I could force a cups job to retry printing and tell me what caused it to fail if it does?
[16:21] <Ursinha> not sure what to do there (why the bug isn't set to expire?)
[16:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so we'd need a new package to install the ensemble related stuff right? such as ubuntu-orchestra-ensemble ?
[16:29] <lynxman> Ursinha: not me either :D
[16:29] <kees> win w
[16:29] <kees> hmmm
[16:30] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: yessir
[16:30] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: cool. were you able to deploy openstack yet?
[16:32] <jasonmsp> anyone know why an update to .bashrc might not take effect even after exiting and logging back in or typing bash?
[16:33] <Slyboots> Right, obviously something was wrong since.  Well mdadm segfaulted
[16:33] <Slyboots> and it appears to have crashed my entire array
[16:34] <Slyboots> So now Im kind of panicing to try and fix this :P
[16:35] <Slyboots> Anyone any tips?
[16:37] <cjwatson> would anyone be able to sanity-check a libvirt patch for me?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/661171/
[16:37] <cjwatson> checking that libvirt still works with that would be nice if possible; I don't use it myself ...
[16:43] <Slyboots> Anyone?
[16:43] <Slyboots> I've tried to rebuild the array, but its showing all the disks as "Inactive" and "Spares"
[16:43] <Slyboots> Im guessing thats *really* bad#
[16:43] <davros> wtf why wont applications open. stupid kde
[16:46] <Slyboots> I would just like to take this moment to say *fuck* you mdadm
[16:46] <Slyboots> x.x
[16:49] <Myrtti> now now, no need for harsh language
[16:49] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: actually, I'm about to head over to the sprint
[16:50] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: can be there in ~25 minutes;  what time are ya'll breaking for lunch?
[16:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: supposedly in 10 mins
[16:54] <p3rsist> Hey guys, what tool do you use for db (postgreSQL) clustering?
[16:54] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, i'll call you and find out where to meet
[16:55] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool, though the meeting rooms are in the ground floor to the right of the lobby,  and we should be right there i think
[16:55] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: are ya'll going out for lunch?
[16:56] <Slyboots> OK, so Mdamd has screwed me over and killed my array x.x
[16:58] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: no lunch is suppodsedly in the hotel
[18:14] <hggdh> hallyn: do you see a chance of getting https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=601494 into Natty?
[18:22] <_johnny> hi, any matlab wizards here? :)
[18:27] <hallyn> hggdh: yeah i think so, though it depends on exactly what the fix was
[18:29] <hallyn> hggdh: have you looked at the rpm source to see what exactly they fixed?  (git log for qemu isn't glaringly obvious)
[18:30] <hggdh> hallyn: will grab it & look. The bug it
[18:30] <hggdh> self is amazingly lacking in details
[18:31] <hggdh> hallyn: all of that because I was giving your make_kvm_vm a go & changing it a bit :-)
[18:40] <hallyn> hggdh: eh? :)  actually vm-new from ubuntu-qa-tools should soon work the same way (auto-pulling down of mini-iso) as my make_kvm_vm
[18:42] <hggdh> ah, cool. I will consolidate myself on the u-q-t, then
[18:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/661323/
[18:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/661320/
[18:44] <hggdh> hallyn: well, anyway qemu-img does not seem to work on natty, at least for qcow2 (have not tested other formats)
[18:49] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/661331/
[18:54] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: lp:~andreserl/orchestra/ensemble
[19:26] <hallyn> hggdh: qemu-img, or qemu-io?  I use qemu-img all the time on natty...
[19:27] <hggdh> hallyn: qemu-img
[19:27] <hggdh> weird
[19:28] <hggdh> hum
[19:28] <hallyn> hggdh: i can qemu-img on my natty netbook right here.  but qemu-io indeed does not work for me
[19:28] <hallyn> hggdh: would you mind filing a bug?
[19:29] <hggdh> hallyn: will do. That's interesting. And this is a brand-new Natty install (gave up on oneiric), I had to bloody format the HD
[19:32] <hggdh> hallyn: I am starting to suspect local FUBAR -- I can qemu-img create on the local dir
[19:32]  * hggdh goes find out WTH is going on
[19:32] <dkn> can i pip contents of a file into chmod if i wanted to change the group owner of a bunch of different files and directory?
[19:32] <dkn> pipe*
[19:32]  * hggdh uses part of the time to blame the laptop manufacturer
[19:36] <dkn> i know i can use find / -group thegroupname but how can i pipe that into sudo chmod :newgroupname [pipe from find here??]
[19:36] <dkn> i have like 500 files to change...
[19:45] <Ursinha> robbiew: hey, want to have that call?
[20:01] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/661386/
[20:05] <JRWR> Im having a issue with nginx/1.0.5 on ubuntu 10.04.3LTS with add_after_body, Its not grabbing the contents and adding it to the pages, here is my main server block http://pastebin.com/Dqr0CsNS and other configs http://pastebin.com/Vb7AR3TB
[20:48] <robbiew> Ursinha: hey...sorry...had to go pickup a rental van for jcastro
[20:49] <Ursinha> I was about to ping you again :)
[21:56] <fbc_> How do I install the xslt-filter on my server? I installed libapache2-modxslt and reloaded, but my application still fails. a2enmod does not show it on the list. How do I enable it.
[21:57] <fbc_> ?
[22:16] <Xptical> Hi all.  What is a good base for a free VM server?  I've used Virtual Box and VMWare.  I'm looking at Zen right now.  Any other really awesome VM servers?
[22:17] <e_t_> Xptical: kvm is very good, though graphical tools are seriously lacking.
[22:18] <Xptical> I'm more of a CLI guy anyway.  I just want something that will allow me to quickly spawn guests and install them from an ISO.  Or to quickly clone a guest to another guest.
[22:19] <sw0rdfish> heya guys.......can I have two web servers running on the same vps?
[22:19] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ping
[22:19] <Xptical> Being able to pass options like hostname and root/password would be great
[22:19] <nzkoz> Hey guys, I just want to follow up on a fix for a critical / high bug affecting memcached on lucid.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/memcached/+bug/637114
[22:19] <nzkoz> I've tracked the problem down and outlined the fix, but not sure who to nudge to get it shipped / reviewed?
[22:21] <e_t_> Xptical: Check out LXC or OpenVZ. I've set up LXC and can create a new machine in about five seconds. I've heard, however, that OpenVZ is better for production.
[22:22] <e_t_> sw0rdfish: You can run a dozen web servers if that's what you want. However, only one can bind port 80 at a time.
[22:22] <sw0rdfish> I see.
[22:22] <sw0rdfish> can I use other ports for http purposes, e_t_ ?
[22:26] <e_t_> sw0rdfish: Of course. You can run HTTP on port 22 or SSH on port 80. You can use any port number (that's not already in use on your box) between 0 and 65535, but 0 - 1023 are so-called "well known ports" and certain services are expected at those ports (http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers).
[22:26] <sw0rdfish> cool cool.....I just wanna experiment on both apache2 and nginx :)
[22:26] <sw0rdfish> thanks e_t_
[22:31] <chi> hello, I am having issues getting grub/grub2 installed on a software RAID1 from ubuntu server 10.04.  I get the following error: Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed.
[22:46] <chi> meh not worth the wait