[00:01] <gartt> Hmm, any reason when using Etcher to burn to USB thumbdrive, FreeBSD-13.0-CURRENT-amd64-20201224-3cc0c0d66a0-255241-memstick.img and FreeBSD-12.2-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img are read and boot from USB thumbdrive on my machine, but debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso and ubuntu18.04mini.iso aren't read when trying to boot from flashdrive?
[00:13] <kk4ewt> try rufus
[00:13] <kk4ewt> img vs iso
[00:15] <gartt> kk4ewt: For some reason, Etcher doesn't like ISOs but says burning was successful each time
[00:40] <monkwitdafunk> do i need to use ubuntu desktop, instead of ubuntu server, if i only face a captive portal for the internet?
[01:32] <JmaJeremy> monkwitdafunk: I guess in theory you could use a CLI browser like w3m or links
[01:32] <JmaJeremy> should be able to handle navigating most basic login forms but if it relies on javascript it could cause problems
[02:35] <illmortal> Does anyone know if Anydesk requires your ubuntu box to have a monitor attached? I was able to remote into it whiile attached to a monitor but then as soon as I disconnected the monitor.. I have a black screen on Anydesk -.-
[02:38] <oerheks> change max to optimized performance? https://superuser.com/questions/1322627/black-screen-on-anydesk-connection
[02:39] <oerheks> else i read a lot of the same issue..
[02:39] <oerheks> they should give answer, we don't get paid for their prop blob
[02:42] <illmortal> Oh good idea.. I'm hoping it's not because the monitor is disconnected. I'll check the settings.
[03:13] <bobdobbs> Hi. I've just updated to ubuntu 20.04 from 18.04. My resolution is stuck at some resolution set that looks like it's from the 1980's
[03:14] <bobdobbs> I have an nvidia card.
[03:14] <bobdobbs> How can I fix the resolution?
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> bobdobbs: check if your graphics driver is installed properly
[03:14] <bobdobbs> Hi lotuspsychje. How do I do that?
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> bobdobbs: sudo lshw -C video
[03:15] <bobdobbs> How do I disover what my driver is
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> bobdobbs: and to see wich version, if the driver is loaded; nvidia-smi
[03:17] <bobdobbs> ok... the output of that latter command tells me that it failed because it can't connect with the driver, "make sure the latest nvidia driver is installed"
[03:17] <bobdobbs> I guess that tells me something
[03:17] <lotuspsychje> bobdobbs: ok, check ubuntu-drivers list then and pick a version for install
[03:18] <bobdobbs> thanks
[03:18] <illmortal> yaaaay thanks Ubuntu for making headless remoting impossible without a HDMI Dummy Plug -.-
[03:29] <tomreyn> illmortal: i'd say you're mistaken then
[03:29] <tomreyn> although not sure what "remoting" is exactly
[03:30] <illmortal> Pretty much to use a VNC client to remote into a ubuntu box that doesn't have a monitor. Apparently this requires a monitor or a dummy plug in order to view the desktop. Otherwise it's a black screen.
[03:31] <tomreyn> you can always have a dummy screen
[03:37] <bobdobbs> lotuspsychje Thank you so much! You put me on the right track!
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> +1
[03:37] <illmortal> Yeah apparently this bricks Ubuntu boxes: https://askubuntu.com/questions/453109/add-fake-display-when-no-monitor-is-plugged-in
[03:38] <illmortal> so I'm a little iffy about doing that.
[03:39] <oerheks> .. 2014..
[03:39] <illmortal> assuming that's the only way to create a dummy screen for Ubuntu 20.04.
[03:40] <oerheks> there used to be xfvb
[03:50] <illmortal> Well guess I can give this dummy display option a try.. if it fails lol I'll just spend the $10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcMaNhHkDp4
[04:41] <MIF> So I screwed up and did rm -rf ~
[04:41] <MIF> is there anyway to fix this or am I screwed?
[04:42] <MIF> ubuntu 20.04
[04:42] <MIF> my backup failed and I could not find it in testdisk
[04:43] <MIF>  lsof | grep "/home/nathaniel" gives me
[04:43] <MIF> bash      2510678                          nathaniel  cwd       DIR                8,2         0    5915646 /home/nathaniel (deleted)
[04:43] <MIF> sudo      2680530                               root  cwd       DIR                8,2         0    5915646 /home/nathaniel (deleted)
[05:16] <Bustin> Hey there, fresh install of Ubuntu, followed a tutorial to install per-requisites for lutris, and overwatch, but launching the installer, I am getting non-stop "038c:fixme:dxgi:d3d11_swapchain_Present1 Ignored present parameters 0x71c2e0." - Then the installer does not save battle.net  Anyone know of what would cause this error? I can't find a fix
[05:16] <Bustin> :(  -thanks in advance.
[05:17] <oerheks> you might need vulcan, Bustin ??
[05:17] <oerheks> https://forums.lutris.net/t/solved-unable-to-install-battle-net/5735
[05:18] <oerheks> read the whole post ..
[05:27] <Bustin> oerheks, no dice. So weird, never had issues about a month ago, same computer, same everything. The only thing that may have changed, is probably the nvidia driver?
[05:37] <EJUST> Quiet in here for being so full of users.
[05:38] <EJUST> thinking of getting ubuntu on my second computer, just wondering are there mouse or keyboard or monitor issues with a kdm?
[05:39] <EJUST> sorry i meant kvm
[07:50] <Northwoods> Hi i am getting mysql error while installing imagmagick
[07:50] <Northwoods> http://prntscr.com/x70t3r
[07:53] <Northwoods> My Baby Love
[08:35] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I've just upgraded to 20.04. I'm tweaking some packages to get them to run. One thing I'm missing is the "Save For Web" plugin for gimp. How do I install this 20.04?
[08:36] <bobdobbs> I've found a git repo for it. But the instructions for how to install it don't work: it gives generic instructions on how to use 'configure', but there's no configure script in the repo.
[08:37] <dbax> I used this guide https://www.snel.com/support/install-vnc-ubuntu-16-04/ to install vnc on my ubuntu server 16.04. when I create a session with root user and connect to server thro vncviewer it can see my normal gnome desktop but when I create a vnc session as a regular user I see only a gray screen after connecting with a vnc viewer. any advice?
[08:58] <karab44> hi guys
[08:59] <karab44> is there any env var for TEMP ?
[08:59] <karab44> printenv does not show any TMP TEMP TMPDIR or things like that
[09:17] <rory> karab44, "/tmp" is default, but you can override it by setting TEMP
[09:17] <rory> karab44, you can set it permanently https://serverfault.com/questions/72955/how-to-change-default-tmp-to-home-user-tmp
[09:23] <isomari> greetings, as root, even after using ssh-copy-id successfully, I still can't access without a password. What could be wrong?
[09:26] <geirha> Most likely the file permissions are wrong. I don't think ssh-copy-id checks or fixes those
[09:27] <geirha> isomari: on the target system, put the output of this in a pastebin:  ls -ld ~/ ~/.ssh/ ~/.ssh/authorized_keys*
[10:14] <cbreak_> have you checked the logs?
[10:14] <barnex> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051022/every-app-in-my-xubuntu-18-04-deleted-by-tasksel-please-help I did this, any way to recover my OS?
[10:14] <barnex> as in I taskel removed, haven't rebooted still
[10:16] <barnex> for now my idea is to look through dpkg log and just install every removed package?
[10:17] <isomari> geirha: No disrepect intened but the authorized_keys file has no issues. Its only on 3 machines that root to root and root to user are not r=working passwordless. We have many machines all working properly. I was wondering if there is some config outside of the key files that might cause this.
[10:17] <isomari> geirha: user to user and user to root work fine.
[10:18] <isomari> root to everything else is not going.
[10:18] <karab44> rory thank you, my friend!
[10:18] <cbreak_> isomari: ssh -v
[10:21] <barnex> seems like all my ppa packages are also gone?
[10:21] <barnex> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Tw2FW7Wcb5/
[10:28] <barnex> oooh, thsi is bullshit, my OS got removed because of a bug known for 10 years https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/574287 :/
[10:36] <barnex> so I reinstalled every available package from my dpkg log, but now they are all marked as manually installed :/
[10:36] <barnex> and there's 2100 packages so yeah
[10:36] <barnex> I'm not going through all of them and deciding one by one which do I need
[10:41] <barnex> any ideas how to undo that and only have the packages i have manually installed marked as manually installed?
[10:41] <barnex> I'm gonna reboot and see if it even boots at all :/
[10:54] <barnex> aaaaaand some of the stuff kinda works but isn't really back, like I still have chromium browser, but update-alternatives says there's only one app providing x-www-browser and that's ff
[10:55] <barnex> aaaaaaaaaand my bluetooth dongle doesn't seem to work anymore
[10:55] <barnex> so happy with my OS rn
[10:55] <random_programme> Hi, I want to run a checkpointing command on a container after a certain amount of memory is used by that container. How can I check the amount of memory used by that container?
[11:36] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:58] <davor> hi, is there a repository where I can get fresh R 4.0 binaries on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS running on aarch64
[12:18] <Sbur3> Do I need  and can I get libdvdcss? I use Ubuntu 20.10
[12:19] <Ky0sh1r0> hi there: How do I identify the initiator for a reoccuring network brisge interface 'br-<some_hex_address>' with network address <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:19] <Ky0sh1r0> brisge -> bridge
[12:38] <Fily1212> hi
[12:39] <Fily1212> I think I need help for dual boot installation
[12:42] <rapier> hi everyone. When you make a new directory, why is its name placed inside quotation marks?
[12:45] <rapier> Why are names of the new created directories suddenly wrapping with in single quotes?
[12:46] <Fily121289> Sorry for my disconnection: i think I need help for dual boot installation
[12:50] <Fily121289> is there someone that can help me? :'(
[12:52] <sputnik369> Hey does anyone know how to get AMD Navi10 Pro driver support on Ubuntu20.04?
[12:53] <sputnik369> I really want to use Linux now instead of windows, but if i cant even load DavinciResolve with my Navi10 GPU then im dead in the water...
[12:53] <sputnik369> anyone know wjhat steps i can take to get this working?
[12:55] <cjoke> sputnik369: you can check out this site. https://linuxconfig.org/amd-radeon-ubuntu-20-04-driver-installation
[12:55] <Ky0sh1r0> sputnik369: did you try these: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-amdgpu-unified-linux-20-45
[12:55] <sputnik369> thanks taking a look now
[12:57] <Ky0sh1r0> I have a rx560 with official amd drivers, and rocm also works (maybe not any more in future but atm)
[12:57] <sputnik369> @Ky0sh1r0 i downloaded the Linux drivers from AMD and tried to do the install which failes right at the end and then on numerous support forums i see others have the same issue and the only resolution i found was with one support listing where a guy had to downgrade his uname -r from x.x.x.56 to x.x.x.54 or something, but i am using x.x.x.58-generic and so i found this solution to far distanced from my case.
[12:58] <akem> Looks like NFS is locking up my filesystem.
[13:00] <sputnik369> @Ky0sh1r0 perhaps my understanding of the process is insufficient, since i was raised in a microsoft space. but this Rocm is a concept i dont think i understand, as well as the concept of some firmware installation that may/maynot be required for getting this all to work...
[13:00] <sputnik369> my understanding is i download the driver from AMD, extract it to a normal folder, open terminal from it and sudo amdgup-pro-install and from there i just assume it would be enough? but it fails
[13:01] <sputnik369> *amdgpu-pro-install*
[13:01] <sputnik369> i also tried a varient of the install command that uses some headless switch
[13:02] <sputnik369> also fails at the end
[13:04] <sputnik369> im using a RX5700 card, so to be fair it isnt even that new anymore the RX6800s are out now so i cant imagine the drivers should be a problem still for my older gen 5700 that im struggling with
[13:06] <Ky0sh1r0> sputnik369: I followed exaclty these steps: https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install-installing.html#installing-the-pro-variant
[13:06] <Ky0sh1r0> short version: ./amdgpu-pro-install -y
[13:07] <sputnik369> yeah i started with that
[13:07] <sputnik369> :)
[13:07] <sputnik369> im just trying @cjoke's manual quick again now
[13:07] <Ky0sh1r0> rocm is just for machine learning purposes, so if you don't do that, you won't need it ;)
[13:08] <sputnik369> ok cool yeah i just need video card GPU to be detected on DavinciResolve
[13:08] <sputnik369> the default Ubuntu20.04 Radeon drivers dont work for the Application
[13:20] <wyre> why ubuntu preserves the /etc/init.d folder?
[13:20] <wyre> it uses systemd, right? so ... why this sysvinit folder?
[13:22] <ogra> wyre, https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man8/systemd-sysv-generator.8.html
[13:23] <ogra> so even old software that has never been ported to systemd can be supported ...
[13:30] <gst568923> Hi, why if I run on terminal: `xfce4-terminal --maximize --hold -e "sudo renice -n -20 -p $(pidof twinkle)"` works, but if I run same command inside a [Desktop Entry] not works!
[13:30] <gst568923> xfce4-terminal --maximize --hold -e "sudo renice -n -20 -p $(pidof twinkle)"
[13:32] <wyre> ogra, so cron is old software? there is some newer projects like cronie
[13:36] <ogra> wyre, systemd timers are supposed to eventuall replace cron i think
[13:36] <ogra> +y
[13:43] <iola> wyre: hello
[13:43] <wyre> iola, hi
[13:43] <iola> What version of ubuntu are you using or wondering about?
[13:43] <wyre> iola, 20.04
[13:44] <iola> Certain versions have cron utilities preinstalled, namely version BEFORE systemd-timers was implemented.
[13:45] <iola> Ubuntu's `cron` package is the debian package `cron` which is forked/patched version of Vixie Cron 3.0
[13:45] <ogra> well, it will surely still be a while til cron is completely gone from a default install
[13:46] <ogra> and once that happens i'd expect some transition to happen too (i.e. automatically turning cronjobs into systemd timers at release upgrade time)
[13:49] <wyre> ogra, iola, I see, so .. cron is still installed in a default install, right?
[13:49] <iola> That being said, the default installation installs cron 3.0p11-1236ubunt1 and anacron 2.3-29 for ubuntu 20.04
[13:49] <iola> Yes.
[13:49] <ogra> yeah
[13:50] <wyre> and it's a forked version of Vixie Cron 3.0
[13:50] <iola> Now, wyre... why were you asking about this is arch?
[13:50] <gst568923> ?
[13:50] <iola> Yes
[13:50] <ogra> and the earliest it would drop wuld be with 22.04
[13:50] <wyre> iola, I was comparing both cron implementations, cronie with cron implementation used in Ubuntu
[13:50] <iola> *Dropped from the default install, that is.
[13:50] <ogra> right
[13:51] <iola> Unless you are looking for _very_ specific tooling differences, they are essentially managed in the same manner.
[13:53] <wyre> iola, I know, but the point is that cronie does work with systemd, while cron implementation in Ubuntu uses https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man8/systemd-sysv-generator.8.html to generate its corresponding systemd units
[13:54] <ogra> well, thats only for starting the cron daemon
[13:54] <ogra> it wont translate cronjobs
[13:55] <ogra> cron itself will still work exactly the way it always did ... it will just be started by a generated systemd unit instesd of a sysv script
[13:56] <ogra> *instead
[14:03] <iola> ^++
[15:11] <tete_> my scanner (samsung c480w) does not work with simple scan. it is found as WSD device and it starts scanning but i get an error when it should save the scanned document
[15:12] <tete_> it says (in german, translated to english by myself): scanning failed. error with the communication with the scanner
[15:13] <tete_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DK8qwdMFxD/
[15:25] <wawrek> Is it already possible to upgrade to ubuntu 21?
[15:25] <tete_> my default application for http/https links is chromium, but firefox opens when i click in thunderbird on any link
[15:27] <wawrek> I want to upgrade, because in 21, ubuntu will make the home folders private, inaccessible to unwanted users.
[15:27] <wawrek> anyway, is this rigth?
[15:29] <cbreak_> depending on what you understand under "private", you can already do that
[15:31] <macrow912> why not issue a chmod command now to do that
[15:31] <wawrek> a user folder under /home should be accessible only to that users, anyone else. If I create a second user, I can access the home folders of other users on the same machine.
[15:31] <wawrek> I would expect it to be protected by access rights deffault
[15:33] <wawrek> I would expect the home folder to be protected by deffault
[15:34] <wawrek> I mean only the owner, should be able to access it
[15:34] <frad> if I execute a command with sudo, my computer waits 20 seconds before I am prompted to write a password. What's wrong with my computer?
[15:36] <jayjo-> When I look at echo $DISPLAY, I get :1, when I suspected I'd get :0. Is there a way to inspect all available x servers running? I only seem to have the one process, is there something else at :0?
[15:37] <Your_Dog> wawrek: IIRC Ubuntu changed it in a way that other users can access (Read only) other user's home directory. This includes subfolders and files as well (Ofcourse as Read only)
[15:38] <Your_Dog> well by default that is
[15:39] <bdiddy> jayjo-: :1 isn't wrong..
[15:40] <wawrek> Your_Dog: I don't want other users to access my files by default. In this case, is it safe to play with chmod on the level of home folders?
[15:42] <Your_Dog> hmmh, this is indeed a tricky question, tricky because I'm assuming most distro-level applications will expect this behavior or has been modified in a way to take advantage of this behavior.
[15:42] <Your_Dog> Then again I don't think there are apps that really do that now.
[15:43] <wawrek> I guess, I have to be careful while changing access permissions on a home folder...
[15:43] <wawrek> I have heard that ubuntu 21 will change the implementation of home folders. Is that so?
[15:44] <Your_Dog> I don't think so but perhaps I am wrong
[15:46] <wawrek> I found this here: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/01/private-home-directory-in-ubuntu-21-04
[15:46] <wawrek> Maybe I am wrong
[15:49] <Your_Dog> well that would be certainly an interesting one, IIRC there where alot of people that hated that they changed how default permission works for home folder. I mean I think only Ubuntu (and majority of its derivatives) have this as their default permission.
[15:55] <wawrek> other Linux distros don't share the same permissions system for user's home folders?
[15:56] <wawrek> I thought it was implemented that way accross all of the linux ecosystem
[15:58] <pavlos> wawrek: usually home dirs are 755 but seems that with 21.04 they will be 750
[15:59] <frad> if I execute a command with sudo, my computer waits 20 seconds before I am prompted to write a password. is this normal?
[15:59] <frad> 20.10
[15:59] <agvantibo66> Yes
[16:00] <iola> wawrek: You have nothing to worry about.
[16:00] <cbreak_> wawrek: linux doesn't care about the permissions you set for your homedir
[16:00] <iola> wawrek: The rest of us linux users defaul to 700. 750 from 755 will cause you zero problems.
[16:00] <wawrek> thanks for the info
[16:00] <cbreak_> chmod -R o= ~
[16:00] <agvantibo66> This is because sudo is bloat. Get doas here: https://github.com/slicer69/doas
[16:00] <wawrek> can I use 700?
[16:01] <agvantibo66> Doas is just a faster sudo alternative
[16:01] <cbreak_> wawrek: why?
[16:01] <cbreak_> the primary group should be your own group
[16:01] <agvantibo66> Yep, so 7770
[16:01] <wawrek> I just thought I want it to be more restricive
[16:01] <cbreak_> it's not more restrictive
[16:01] <agvantibo66> Oh wait 770
[16:01] <iola> No not 770
[16:01] <iola> Stop with the rediculousness.
[16:01] <MLKVA51-> With this Linux... Are there a VPN that is free that has a GUI?
[16:02] <wawrek> iola: how do you mean?
[16:02] <iola> 750 will allows users assigned to YOUR group to be able to read and execute files in your home directory. But only users assigned to YOUR group.
[16:03] <iola> 700, and only YOU and root can see, enumerate, read, write, and execute files in your home direcory.
[16:03] <agvantibo66> @iola Ubuntu comes with gnome-control-center preinstalled, this is called "settings"
[16:03] <tomreyn> MLKVA51-: VPN is a protocol (or a collection of protocols really), you'll need a server and a client to use it. what you arer referring to is a hosted vpn, usually sold as a (software as a service). ubuntu only provides software, not services.
[16:03] <cbreak_> (the only user in your group is you)
[16:03] <iola> Changing from 755 -> 750 or even more restrictive 700 is perfectly fine.
[16:03] <wawrek> thanks
[16:03] <agvantibo66> @iola you can add ovpn files there
[16:03] <MLKVA51-> < looking for a BSD chan, that people are really talking in, other than waiting in line
[16:03] <wawrek> that's what I wanted to know
[16:03] <iola> It wont even effect gnome
[16:04] <wawrek> sounds good ;)
[16:04] <iola> And you should never put ovpn files anywhere other than /etc/openvpn/client
[16:04] <cbreak_> if you run the command I showed you, you'll make it restrictive
[16:04] <cbreak_> without all the octal nonsense
[16:04] <tomreyn> !alis | MLKVA51-
[16:04] <iola> agvantibo66: You are incredibly misinformed to standard practices for securing and safely operating a single user system.
[16:05] <iola> Now I remember why I never idle here anymore
[16:05]  * agvantibo66 winced
[16:05] <tomreyn> frad: that's unexpectedly long
[16:06] <pavlos> MLKVA51-: there is #freebsd, #openbsd
[16:06] <frad> tomreyn, so, any way to solve it?
[16:06] <tomreyn> frad: check your logs, i.e. run    journalctl -f     in a temrinal window, then run a sudo command in another, and post the output added to the journal to the ubuntu pastebin
[16:06] <tomreyn> (and share the link here)
[16:08] <pavlos> frad: do /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname have the same hostname?
[16:12] <tomreyn> frad: i have to leave for now, will be back later, but there are others here who can help when you provide actionable info, such as error messages from the logs.
[16:18]  * agvantibo66 Begs for +o
[16:19] <agvantibo66> Is uninstalling sudo and using doas a good idea on Ubuntu 20.04
[16:20] <agvantibo66> Huh?
[16:21]  * agvantibo66 Waits nervously
[16:21] <mefistofeles> agvantibo66: I'd guess many packages/apps depend on sudo
[16:23] <leftyfb> agvantibo66: no, it is not a good idea. Unless you are keen on modifying your distribution beyond what is supported here.
[16:23] <agvantibo66> mefistofeles Does apt prompt that this package is a dependency, or it just grinds everything silently?
[16:23] <leftyfb> agvantibo66: why do you feel the need to replace sudo?
[16:24] <agvantibo66> It's quite slow. Doas is faster. I already installed doas and aliased sudo to it, but I just don't want anything not needed laying around
[16:26] <leftyfb> agvantibo66: doas is not supported here. You would be on your own
[16:26] <agvantibo66> thanks leftyfb. I'll just leave it as is.
[16:27]  * agvantibo66 Waves to TheFu and recognizes him as an Ubuntu Forums moderator
[16:27] <cbreak_> if sudo is slow for you, you probably have other problems
[16:27] <cbreak_> since it is not slow in general
[16:27] <agvantibo66> Haha maybe
[16:29] <agvantibo66> When I use up 4gb of ram for VMs, and run pycharm, firefox, and zoom symultaneously (On 8 gb total), everything is quite slow
[16:29] <cbreak_> :/
[16:30] <cbreak_> just built a new system, 64 GB RAM... was surprisingly cheap
[16:30] <agvantibo66> I can't
[16:30] <cbreak_> only around 320 CHFr for DDR4-ECC DIMMs
[16:30] <cbreak_> (4x16)
[16:30] <agvantibo66> I am actually 14 yrs old. And live in Russia. Figures...
[16:31] <agvantibo66> So no ram upgrades
[16:31] <cbreak_> then maybe VMs might not be the optimal thing to run
[16:31] <agvantibo66> Yep
[16:32] <cbreak_> maybe something like lxc containers are cheaper, if they work for you
[16:32] <agvantibo66> But I need android x86 for games, like free among us
[16:33] <agvantibo66> I have thought changing the hypervisor from Virtualbox to something lighter, like QEMU, but i've never had the time
[16:34] <agvantibo66> I have tried the AQEMU GUI once, but didn't like it. And I just don't want to mess with one-page long qemu commands (If I don't use the GUI)
[16:36] <leftyfb> agvantibo66: among us is $4.99 USD on Steam on Ubuntu
[16:37] <agvantibo66> I'm a total cheapskate. If I can save a few bucks for the "inconvenience" of 5 minutes of vm lag a day, I'll save.
[16:42] <frad> pavlos, wow, no... different hostnames...
[16:43] <pavlos> frad: they should the same
[16:44] <agvant1b0> 'bit more leet, just a bit
[16:44] <frad> pavlos, so how comr hostnamectl doesn't change hostnames systemwide?
[16:46] <agvant1b0> frad try sudo nano /etc/hostname, see for yourself, change for yourself
[16:50] <pavlos> frad: sudo hostnamectl set-hostname newNameHere will change /etc/hostname but not /etc/hosts
[16:50] <frad> pavlos, exactly that I was thinking now
[16:50] <frad> so I need to change /etc/hosts
[16:52] <octav1a> I have four empty nvme disks that I would like to use as scratch for very fast writing (scientific program, don't care at all about redundancy). Do you think I would get better performance using LVM to make a JBOD, or mdadm to make a software raid0 ?
[16:52] <pavlos> frad: yes and restart to make sure all is well, then sudo should be immediate
[16:57] <frad> pavlos, we don't understand each other. I dont know ho to change /etc/hosts
[17:01] <pavlos> frad: cat /etc/hostname  what is your hostname?
[17:02] <pavlos> frad: then sudo edit /etc/hosts, <IP_ADDRESS> thesamename
[17:02] <pavlos> frad: use an editor you're familiar with (nano, vi, ...)
[17:02] <frad> pavlos, would it work with geany? I open /etc/hostname with geany and save it
[17:03] <pavlos> frad: sure
[17:03] <frad> but I need to do it as sudo pavlos ...
[17:03] <frad> correct?
[17:04] <pavlos> frad: yes since you're modifying /etc
[17:14] <mguy> octav1a: wouldn't take you long to run it both ways and measure speed.
[17:21] <cbreak> octav1a: zfs :)
[17:30] <anibic> I cannot install Ubuntu 20.04.1-desktop-amd64 . I do not get the screen to earse disk and encrypt it jumps to the screen where my HDD is not listed. However I can install Windows on the same 1TB seagate HDD.
[17:31] <coconut> I don't know whether anyone here read the conversation between me and Jeremy31 here yesterday about a non-bootable 20.04.1 after upgrading packages on a new install of the desktop iso?
[17:31] <coconut> I wanted to let you know that i could fix the broken boot on apt upgrade after a new install of 20.04.1, by doing the following:
[17:31] <coconut> Removing the package "linux-modules-nvidia-440-generic-hwe-20.04" first, then apt update && apt install --reinstall linux-generic, then reboot, then apt update && apt upgrade, then reboot again.
[17:31] <coconut> After this there is no 5.8 installed anymore, and 20.04.1 can just reboot again normally.
[17:31] <coconut> Probably a lot users here know how this works already, and don't need it, but i just wanted to let you know that it /does/ fix this problem. Thank Jeremy31 for the help. Bye!
[17:31] <coconut> :)
[17:32] <anibic> Never has any problem with Ubuntu so far
[17:32] <shinobi> I have multiple monitors that are in extended mode on 20.04. All is well until the system times out and goes to the lock screen. When I unlock the desktop the monitors act like they are in  "mirror" mode. Display settings still shows "extended" and I have to apply "mirror" mode and revert the change to bring them back. Anyone else experiencing this or have a fix?
[17:35] <anibic> Each time I boot I see ir checks the disk (bootable usb by rufus) all is good
[17:35] <anibic> Any solution ?
[17:36] <frad> pavlos, thanks, it worked
[17:36] <leftyfb> anibic: try looking in your BIOS and see if there's a RAID enabled. Or try toggling EFI
[17:36] <anibic> I have made it MBR not GPT.
[17:37] <anibic> I disble URFI in bios and CSM always and Boot legacy only
[17:40] <anibic> I have made the bootable usb by rufus as MBR and have CSM support=always, Storage Boot =Legacy only,
[17:40] <pavlos> frad: good
[17:42] <leftyfb> anibic: I would not use rufus. Try etcher.io
[17:45] <octav1a> cbreak: zfs on raid0 of jbod?
[17:45] <octav1a> is that non-journaled?
[17:45] <octav1a> or*
[17:59] <cbreak> octav1a: zfs on raw disks
[17:59] <cbreak> zfs has its own version of "journal"
[18:27] <c0fe> what am i screwing up with this command? cat <<EOF > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nginx.list\n deb https://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/ focal nginx\n deb-src https://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/ focal ngin\n EOF
[18:30] <c0fe> i am not familiar with the cat command
[18:33] <rifle> c0fe: what are you trying to accomplish?
[18:38] <cbreak> c0fe: you can just open that file in a text editor and add those lines yourself...
[18:38] <cbreak> you don't have to use shell IO redirection and here-files
[18:39] <rifle> or if lazy, use echo -e
[18:50] <pavlos> c0fe: you need sudo
[18:55] <c0fe> pavlos: i figured it out, with echo -e but i am running as root anyways
[18:56] <Mava42> ok, bizarre: my machine does not reply to ping. iptables: accept/accept/accept (ufw status: inactive). /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all is 0. and I can see icmp echo requests coming in tcpdump
[18:57] <Mava42> sed s/in tcpdump/via tcpdump/g
[18:59] <pavlos> Mava42: pls describe your network, is the machine local? is it over vpn?
[19:00] <Mava42> pavlos: local,
[19:01] <pavlos> Mava42: so machine could be <IP_ADDRESS> and you ping this ip from another local machine <IP_ADDRESS> and ping fails
[19:01] <Mava42> true, other way round it works nicely
[19:01] <Mava42> so from .1.20 to .1.10 works, 1.10 to 1.20 fails, both can ping .1.1
[19:03] <pavlos> Mava42: are both linux systems?
[19:03] <Mava42> both
[19:03] <Mava42> 1.10 deb and 1.20 ubuntu 20.04
[19:05] <pavlos> can you ssh deb and paste 'ip addr' and 'ip route'?
[19:05] <Mava42> no I wont, its meaningless
[19:06] <Mava42> this feels like a firewall or so problem in the Focal
[19:07] <genewitch> how do i tell if my ubuntu server issues are kernel related, my kern.log going back to december 27th are riddled with NMI, MCE, stalled CPU, etc errors. There's not really a reason this should be happening, the computer is clean, it runs stress tests, but when it starts handling guest VMs it starts freaking out
[19:08] <genewitch> it's running 4.4.0-200
[19:08] <Mava42> hmm, also it seems that if I open e.g. port 12345 using nc on the focal, I cannot connect to it. only seeing "TCP syn" flags in the tcpdump
[19:09] <sarnold> genewitch: MCE usually means hardware is failing
[19:10] <sarnold> genewitch: the rasdaemon package has a ras-mc-ctl command that might be able to tell you more about your MCEs
[19:16] <genewitch> BRB DC doing a reboot of this hyper
[19:17] <genewitch> sarnold: thank you
[19:23] <pavlos> Mava42: https://termbin.com/0xuw
[19:35] <gartt> Trying to figure out why my Lenovo P620 will boot from any FreeBSD .img burned to a flashdrive but not an ubuntu ISO... I'm using etcher to burn
[19:35] <gartt> And of course the box is set to boot USB flashdrives before the HDD
[19:36] <tomreyn> gartt: did you verify the checksum of the downloaded ubuntu install .iso against the website?
[19:37] <tomreyn> etcher is good for ensuring the iso you have properly lands on the installer media, but that's step #2, first you need to verify the download is in a good condition.
[19:38] <gartt> tomreyn: I verified that a macbook booted from the same ubuntu thumbdrive fine, so it shouldn't be an integrity issue
[19:40] <tomreyn> gartt: that's not a proper test, though
[19:42] <gartt> tomreyn: Agreed, but when downloading one of the ISOs such as https://ubuntu.com/download/server ubuntu server, it just prompts me to download, and there's no hashsum visible to match against
[19:43] <gartt> I retract that, sorry. Big fat button that says Verify
[19:49] <Tom01> Is somebody using Windows 10 here? Is there a window manager to get rid of the unspeakable start menu?
[19:49] <Tom01> o.k. wrong channel
[19:50] <compdoc> lol
[19:50] <compdoc> there is, but we dare not speak its name
[20:04] <gartt> tomreyn: Just downloaded the latest server ISO, and ubuntu-20.10-live-server-amd64.iso: OK  <-- verified fine
[20:36] <hansol> is good plesk for ubuntu ?
[20:41] <Industrial> Hi!
[20:42] <Industrial> When I install the NVIDIA driver 460 (latest) and reboot I get a black screen. I already disabled the nouveau driver, that isn't it. I have no Optimus. No 2 GFX cards, only one that is supported officially by the NVIDIA driver (from the nvidia website). It's a GTX 2070 SUPER mobile / Max-Q
[20:43] <Industrial> When I boot into livecd (usb stick) and chroot into my disk and remove all nvidia packages it is fixed again and I get my GUI back
[20:43] <Industrial> When I install version 390 then I get a 800x600 display and I dont know how to change that to native resolution.
[20:43] <Industrial> What now?
[20:44] <Industrial> I have tried most solutions but they end up telling you to reinstall the latest version of the nvidia drivers
[20:44] <Industrial> I can not get into a TTY with Ctrl + Alt + F1-F7
[20:44] <Industrial> So I can not check my log files to see why it is giving me a black screen
[20:45] <Industrial> I also do not own a monitor so I can't check if other displays work :( (a suggestion on askubuntu.com)
[20:45] <Industrial> I also tried the driver from the nvidia website but it told me to use the ubuntu one instead
[21:08] <Aavar_> How can I easily rename a file to include the creation date (not the modification date)?
[21:13] <sarnold> Aavar: are you sure that your filesystem supports recording the creation date? not all filesystems do
[21:14] <Aavar> sarnold: This is Ext4... i'm not sure. I figured out a way to not change the date after unpacking the file, so now it's the same date :)
[21:15] <sarnold> woot
[21:15] <Aavar> (Actually, that was on NTFS before the upload. Anyway, Problem solved ;))
[21:17] <sarnold> Aavar: stat(1) emits "Birth: -" for my systems.. depending upon how many of these things you need to do, a bit of awk / grep / sh / kind of stuff around stat might work okay. but if you've got hundreds or thousands, it'd probably be better to write a tool in python or rust or go or something
[21:36] <bray90820> Anyone know of a launcher where I can run bash scripts from the menubar
[21:37] <janisozaur> hi, how do install debug symbols for libsdl2?
[21:41] <coconut> wow... ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ## wants to remove "libnvidia-compute-450 mesa-vulkan-drivers ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop xorg".
[21:42] <sarnold> janisozaur: hopefully these has something useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[21:42] <coconut> which probably is a mess by me removing "linux-modules-nvidia-440-generic-hwe-20.04". Which i did to fix a boot issue...
[21:44] <coconut> i don't want to install the 5.8 kernel on 20.04.1... anything i can do to fix this?
[21:46] <coconut> seems i can install 5.8 and configure grub to boot the 5.4 version
[21:47] <sarnold> coconut: try this: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-20.04- linux-generic
[21:47] <coconut> i do think someone needs to fix the repo though if you ask me
[21:48] <sarnold> it was an intentional choice to upgrade to 5.8 kernels, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Desktop
[21:48] <coconut> sarnold, yeah but with that the 5.8 kernel gets installed right? Well if i do that and boot it too, my system does not boot....
[21:49] <sarnold> coconut: note the - at the end of linux-generic-hwe-20.04-
[21:53] <coconut> sarnold, yeah but that edge version does not work with my laptop
[21:54] <sarnold> coconut: note that when you use apt install foo-    apt will *uninstall* foo.
[21:55] <coconut> sarnold, yeah but i do not have that kernel installed
[21:55] <coconut> and linux-generic already is
[21:55] <sarnold> coconut: oh. I thought it was installing that kernel that broke you :)
[21:59] <coconut> sarnold, it did... and so i fixed that by a reinstall and removed linux-generic-hwe-20.04 before apt update && apt upgrade.
[21:59] <coconut> but now ubuntu-drivers does not like to do its stuff
[22:01] <jeremy31>  It means that from 20.04.2 release Ubuntu Desktop will gain new major kernel versions every 6 months through to summer of 2022.
[22:01] <jeremy31> A bit confusing since it mentions the second point release and it hasn't been released yet
[22:03] <sarnold> yeah
[22:05] <coconut> jeremy31, so if install that kernel and configure grub to boot the 5.4 it will fix itself?
[22:07] <jeremy31> coconut: What is wrong with the driver manager?
[22:08] <coconut> jeremy31, it installs essential packages
[22:08] <coconut> libnvidia-compute-450 mesa-vulkan-drivers ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop xorg
[22:08] <coconut> *uninstalls
[22:10] <jeremy31> coconut: You might be able to reinstall that nvidia hwe package and see what happens.  I did a dependency check and it only depends on itself
[22:11] <coconut> jeremy31, ok will do that tomorrow, my bed calls now
[22:11] <coconut> thanks jeremy31
[22:16] <gartt> Put both ubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso and ubuntu-20.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso on usb thumbdrives, and nothing - didn't read at boot and booted to HDD. ubuntu-20.10-live-server-amd64.iso did boot from usb thumbdrive, but I got a TPM interrupt not working, polling instead error. Brand new Lenovo P620
[22:17] <gartt> Debian wouldn't boot either. FBSD installed perfectly, but hardware support sucked for my ethernet card
[22:24] <tomreyn> gartt: sounds like a hardware / more likely firmware problem. how did you "put [those isos] on usb thunbdrives", though? and diy ou verify the checksums for thos eimages as well (you only discussed 20.10 server in terms of ISO checksum verification so far).
[22:25] <tomreyn> also, is the firmware of this computer up to date?
[22:25] <tomreyn> and you should be able to disable TPM in the mainboard firmware setup menu (UEFI/legacy BIOS setup menu)
[22:26] <sarnold> hmm, re the 20.04 releases, I wonder if that processor supports an OS that old
[22:26] <sarnold> there's a consistent murmur of amd chips with problems booting OSes unless they're brand-spanking-new, I've never understood why exactly
[22:26] <gartt> tomreyn: I tried Ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator, Etcher, and dd, and the 3 gave identical results; what worked on one will work using all methods, and what didn't work on any of them didn't work on any others, so at lesat that was consistent
[22:26] <sarnold> it feels like the sort of thing that'd kill a processor in the marketplace
[22:27] <gartt> sarnold: This is a Threadripper Pro, so it's a pretty new chip
[22:27] <sarnold> yeah
[22:27] <gartt> However, FBSD usually utterly sucks at hardware, and it installed fine, except for the ethernet card
[22:27] <tomreyn> 20.04.1 has a *somewhat* recent kernel, i think
[22:28] <gartt> tomreyn: 20.04 was ignored and didn't boot while ubuntu-20.10 did but gave me the TPM error
[22:28] <tomreyn> gartt: okay, this explains how you wrote the iso's to the installer media. it doesn'T explain whether you checked checksums.
[22:28] <tomreyn> so try 20.10 again, but disable tpm
[22:31] <gartt> tomreyn: I checked checksums and they were fine
[22:32] <tomreyn> ok!
[22:35] <gartt> So I'm stumped
[22:35] <tomreyn> https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/thinkcentre_pdf/ts_p620_ubuntu_linux_20.04_installation_v1.0.pdf
[22:37] <tomreyn> ^ first hit on a web search for "Ubuntu Lenovo P620"
[22:37] <gartt> tomreyn: Thanks a lot. I'd disabled secure boot earlier, but Power on the system and press the function F12key when the Lenovo splash screen appears
[22:37] <gartt> I'll give that a shot
[22:56] <MartinG> Hi all Newb here so apologies in advance if I ask a dull question
[22:57] <MartinG> I'm having issues getting an icmp echo reply from my Ubuntu VM
[22:57] <MartinG> Anyone come across this?
[22:59] <sarnold> MartinG: how did you set up the networking?
[22:59] <sarnold> MartinG: some of the networking modes only transmit tcp, not icmp; can you do tcp things with it?
[22:59] <tomreyn> gartt: https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/202006-28010
[22:59] <MartinG> Its an Ubuntu v20 VM that im using in a GNS3 lab environment so it just has a basic ipconfig
[23:00] <xcfe_100> anyone know of a way to set a custom keybinding? I want to map my Ctrl+e key so that it send the End key when pressed. Is this possible?
[23:00] <MartinG> I can ping a directly connected interface but nothing else
[23:00] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | MartinG
[23:01] <MartinG> 20.04.1 LTS
[23:03] <MartinG> Ok sorry wrong room
[23:03] <MartinG> Actually no its not :)
[23:04] <MartinG> So I have run a tcpdump session and I can see reemote ping requests coming into the VM
[23:04] <MartinG> but no replys leaving
[23:04] <tomreyn> MartinG: so, by default, an Ubuntu 20.04 LTS installation would respond to ICMP Echo Requests
[23:05] <tomreyn> So either your Ubuntu installation isn't a default one (custom image / installer), you or someone or somethjing has since modified the installations' configuration, or, maybe most likely, something in this lab network doesn't pass through those packets.
[23:06] <MartinG> Its odd behaviour but thanks anyway
[23:06] <MartinG> The ICMP request is traversing the nodes to get to the Ubuntu Client because I can see them
[23:06] <MartinG> sudo tcpdump -i ens39 -qtln icmp
[23:07] <MartinG> IP <IP_ADDRESS> > <IP_ADDRESS>: ICMP echo request, id 49155, seq 1, length 64
[23:07] <MartinG> IP <IP_ADDRESS> > <IP_ADDRESS>: ICMP echo request, id 49155, seq 2, length 64
[23:07] <MartinG> And that node is 2 hops away
[23:10] <gartt> tomreyn: Thanks again
[23:47] <shinobi> my 20.04 system likes to drop my wifi after a period of time. Doesn't happen when I boot to windows. Anyone have an idea on how to troubleshoot?
[23:47] <jeremy31> shinobi: Check in terminal to see if power management is enabled>  iwconfig
[23:49] <shinobi> jeremy31: yes power management is on
[23:50] <jeremy31> shinobi: in terminal>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf && systemctl restart network-manager.service
[23:50] <jeremy31> shinobi: that will disconnect you for a second or 2
[23:51] <shinobi> let's test it out
[23:54] <shinobi> jeremy31: Done. Should be easy to test, I shouldn't see reconnection attempts with my irc client
[23:55] <shinobi> Thanks!!
[23:55] <jeremy31> shinobi: check iwconfig again
[23:55] <shinobi> jeremy31: It shows off
[23:55] <jeremy31> shinobi: good
[23:58] <shinobi> I have multiple monitors that are in extended mode on 20.04. All is well until the system times out and goes to the lock screen. When I unlock the desktop the monitors act like they are in  "mirror" mode. Display settings still shows "extended" and I have to apply "mirror" mode and revert the change to bring them back. Anyone else experiencing this or have a fix?


[09:56] <lantizia> apw, did you get my pm the other day (updated the bug too)
[09:57] <apw> lantizia, oss bug ?  if so the patches went out today for review
[09:58] <lantizia> oh cool you did get my message then :D
[10:00] <apw> not any pm, but i saw an email
[10:11] <lantizia> all it said was (sent a few hours before that email)... "Off to bed (as I'm sure you already are) - finally got back and home and finished testing... I'm basically reporting that it works very well indeed now using the osspd package from raring on precise and quantal"
[11:10] <trailblazerz11> What's up with 3.9-rc1 mainline build?
[11:14] <apw> trailblazerz11, what is wrong with it from your point of view
[11:19] <apw> trailblazerz11, a more useful question would have been. "Does anyone know why the mainline build for 3.9-rc1 has no binary packages?"
[11:19] <apw> which would have triggered my memory of cking asking me to add bc into the chroots for builds to allow 3.9-rc1 to build for him
[11:51] <trailblazerz11> sorry, thanks for the reply
[12:35] <rtg_> apw, whats up with the repeated mainline build emails ? 'Mainline Build v3.9-rc1'
[12:38] <smb> rtg_, I suppose outfall of attempts to fix the new dependency on bc
[12:41] <rtg_> smb, indeed, guess I'd better get that in the control file
[12:41] <smb> rtg_, hm, yeah, would not completely rule out apw working on that too...
[12:42] <apw> rtg_, i already added it
[12:42] <apw> rtg_, yes it is about doing the builds till they work, which i think this final time they will
[12:43] <apw> (it == build-dep: bc)
[12:43] <rtg_> apw, just saw that. guess I'd better get that package added to the chroots
[12:43] <apw> rtg_, yeah i've been putting that off, can you add them to precise as well as we build test kernels in the 'previous lts'
[12:43] <apw> s/them/bc
[12:44] <rtg_> apw, ack. I'll prolly just do it in general
[13:22] <zyga> hey everyone, I seem to have found a regression in the kernel
[13:22] <zyga> 3.8.0-5 works
[13:22] <zyga> beyond that I get hangs on boot
[13:22] <zyga> and unable to mount /sys/firmware/efivars
[13:23] <zyga> I'm checking which of the three kernels that I have actually boots
[13:23] <zyga> -10 does not boot to desktop
[13:23] <zyga> nor does -11
[13:25] <zyga> how should I proceed / file a bug?
[13:25] <zyga> I seem to be able to boot into the recovery mode
[13:26] <zyga> the actual filesystem that fails to mount is "/sys/firmware/efi/efivars"
[13:26] <zyga> booting hangs on [S]kip or [M]anual
[13:28] <zyga> so known good is 3.8.0-5, known bad is -10
[13:28] <zyga> with equally bad -11
[13:28]  * zyga waits around for someone to show up
[13:28] <smb> and pressing "s" probably continues the boot...
[13:28] <zyga> smb: yes
[13:28] <smb> but yeah, filing a bug would be appreciated
[13:29] <zyga> smb: but it does not finish normally, other errors show up and all I get is console in vt1
[13:29] <zyga> smb: note: that's from _recovery_ boot
[13:29] <zyga> normal boot just hangs
[13:29] <zyga> smb: ubuntu-bug linux-image
[13:30] <smb> zyga, just ubuntu-bug linux
[13:30] <zyga> k
[13:30] <zyga> on -5 now, apport found some bugs, let's see if that's it
[13:31] <smb> wondering whether normal boots would continue by pressing s and just not show the message
[13:31] <zyga> smb: ubuntu-bug does not work, claims that -5 is not an official package
[13:31] <zyga> (bogus obviously)
[13:31] <smb> zyga, think it does that if its not the latest one
[13:32] <zyga> smb: I have the latest one installed
[13:32] <smb> which probably only boots in recovery... if I ccould remember, there is a way to only save the report files...
[13:33] <zyga> smb: but the error message is bogus, this _is_ an official package, I _have_ installed it, unless it's checking the one I'm running now
[13:33] <zyga> smb: let me see if -11 works with recovery (I tried -10)
[13:35] <zyga> ok, on -11, reporting the bug in text mode
[13:35] <smb> zyga, think "ubuntu-bug --save=file linux" should allow to write the data to file
[13:35] <zyga> oh, wireless crashed the kernel while I was doing that
[13:36] <zyga> or just semi-crashed, the report is still going
[13:36] <zyga> that's one crappy day for having UDS sessions
[13:36] <zyga> I keep getting screen full of kernel backtraces
[13:39] <zyga> I keep seeing dots printed, is that still apport?
[13:39] <smb> zyga, usually the common rule is not to rely on the latest release (or update) while something important (conference, travel) goes on. But I know that is not very helpful
[13:40] <zyga> smb: it's not that bad, I have a desktop that I'm using now but it's distracting from the sessions
[13:40] <zyga> (20 minutes left)
[13:40] <smb> zyga, might be... not sure there. If submitting the report directly is too problematic, try the --save and then I think apport-cli to upload the saved file
[13:40] <zyga> smb: I suspended ubuntu-bug
[13:40] <zyga> smb: then did ps aux
[13:40] <zyga> and that hanged?
[13:40] <zyga> I keep getting kernel backtraces everywhere
[13:41] <smb> certainly not a very good state
[13:41] <smb> what kind of hw is that?
[13:42] <smb> (just wondering since it looks somewhat related to uefi changes)
[13:43] <zyga> smb: core i7 (latest one, I guess that's ivy bridge)
[13:43] <zyga> smb: broadcom wireless crap (wl), atheros ethernet (alx)
[13:44] <zyga> smb: the build is from lenovo, similar to ideapad but more 'value' market
[13:44] <smb> zyga, not any samsung by chance... well iirc some people had fun with lenovo too
[13:44] <smb> ok
[13:44] <zyga> hehe, no :)
[13:45] <smb> cking, do you remember... I thought someone had efi pain with some x something...
[13:45] <zyga> (it's running efi + signed kernel)
[13:45] <zyga> ubuntu-bug keeps printing dots
[13:46] <cking> smb, I'm trying to recall, but I can't think of it at the mo
[13:46] <zyga> I can suspend that and poke around in /sys/ if you want
[13:46] <smb> well if its done in a seperate thread it can do that for a while...
[13:48] <smb> zyga, Right now I could not say what to look for.
[13:48] <zyga> ok
[13:48] <zyga> I'll let it finish
[13:48] <zyga> and get ready for the first session
[13:49] <smb> afaik none of the team was having similar issues... except ... cking I think your sdp completely imploded for other reasons
[13:49] <cking> smb, yep, it lost it's mind and disabled auto CSM for some reason
[13:50] <smb> zyga, as said I would not be sure whether printing the dots is done while waiting for a background process. If those are seperate thread and the other one hangs, there could be a lot of dots,,,
[13:50] <cking> is that a bug in ubuntu-bug that needs reporting against ubuntu-bug?
[13:51] <smb> cking, I'd rather not... the world may recurse for eternity
[13:51] <cking> -ETOOMANYLEVELSOFINDIRECTION
[13:53] <diwic> -ETOOMANYWORDSMAKESITHARDTOREAD
[13:53] <diwic> although CamelCase doesn't look unix enough
[13:53] <zyga> heh
[13:54] <zyga> yeah
[13:54] <zyga> I think it's dead jim
[15:53] <brendand> bjf, is the proposed kernel cadence going to be discussed in the rolling release session coming up?
[15:54] <bjf> brendand, which cadence are you  referring to? the sru cadence (not changing) or the daily, rolling cadence?
[15:56] <brendand> bjf - well, maybe i should ask this in the session, but e.g. will raring be included in the -proposed cadence after it's released?
[16:42] <geofft> Moving here from the room channel: would a "return true" autopkgtest in OpenAFS be reasonable, just to check compilability?
[16:42] <geofft> Will it get run against the PPA, and is there a way to sign up for notifications of test failures?
[16:46] <bjf> geofft, i think you are asking how to get a test integrated into the testing for the OpenAFS package. I think you'd want to discuss that with the maintainer.
[16:53] <geofft> I think my question is more "how does that test run against the PPA kernel before it gets pushed to production"
[16:54] <geofft> (I'm talking with the folks who did the most recent OpenAFS SRU)
[17:31] <apw> geofft, i don't think we know how the autopackage tests integrate well enough to answer that.  pitti likely would knowb
[17:46]  * rtg_ -> early lunch
[17:51] <apw> geofft, i also query your 'compilability' is the only thing we care about, if you don't care if it works why install it at all
[17:53] <geofft> apw: What I mean is that in the last like 5-6 years I've been using OpenAFS, I've never seen it build and not work right
[17:54] <geofft> apw: but it seems like half of all new kernel updates make it not build
[17:54] <apw> geofft, indeed, but the logical thing is to be aware of when it changes and to test it at those times
[17:55] <geofft> apw: OpenAFS itself doesn't change. It's the lack of stable kernel API that breaks it
[17:55] <geofft> (It's GPL-incompatible free software, the situation sucks all around)
[17:55] <apw> geofft, right the kernle doesn't offer one of those, never has
[17:55] <geofft> yeah
[17:55] <geofft> apw: I'm not asking for the kernel to start offering one
[17:55] <geofft> apw: I'm just saying, based on experience, new kernel minor versions have a good chance of breaking it in a way that it just won't compile
[17:55] <geofft> and approximately no chance of breaking it in a way that it compiles but doesn't run.
[17:56] <geofft> apw: I'm happy to write a more serious test that loads the module in a VM, but I don't think it'd be worth the overhead -- it wouldn't find anything
[17:57] <apw> geofft, if you had one of those you could run it against the kernels automatically as they appear in the PPA
[17:58] <apw> and be apprised if there were issues
[17:58] <geofft> sure, I can happily set up a local VM or something to do this.
[17:59] <geofft> I guess I'm just wondering if there's a way to do this on Ubuntu-run infrastructure, instead of a desktop in my living room
[18:00] <geofft> or adding more load to my organization's buildserver, or whatnot
[18:00] <geofft> it seems like the right place to do this test is with autopkgtest infrastructure, since it exists.
[18:01] <geofft> so the question is where to hook in infrastructure so we can say "hey hold up, we need another ./configure check in OpenAFS to handle this kernel API change" before you guys push a new kernel to rolling
[18:27] <apw> geofft, well if it was approved to hold the kernle for that that the britney runs would nominally hold it in -proposed
[18:27] <apw> i am unsure that britney yet holds for autotest failures, but that is the plan
[18:27] <apw> geofft, though if someone was activly maintaining openafs against the unstable kernel PPA we should never hit this issue
[18:28] <apw> geofft, as although it seems good to add lots of infrastructe for these things, simply being informed there are new kernels and testing with them in advance is probabally a lot less work, especially as you already indicated it will fail half the time
[18:29] <apw> as the time we want to find out this is going to fail is not when we shove a kernel into -proposed then be slaves to when someone fixes openafs, we want to know it is going to fail during the early -rcs and have it fixed by the itme we shove it in -proposed
[18:37] <geofft> apw: Yeah, testing against earlier RCs is the right answer, and much of the time upstream is on the ball about adapting to the API change in master
[18:38] <geofft> Most of the time of that, upstream remembers to backport those to stable; most of the time of _that_, the stable fix goes into Debian
[18:38] <geofft> But occasionally things fall through the cracks.
[18:38] <apw> geofft, our current minimal process is to announce kernels on kernel-team@ and to tell specific individuals with key requirements, currently the binary video drivers and the server folk who have a few
[18:39] <apw> geofft, with any new kerenl being in a test PPA it is trivial to make your own PPA for testing which depnds on our kernel PPA leading you to be testing against the said kernel
[18:39] <geofft> sure
[18:39] <apw> geofft, though you need a VM or similar to install the kernel for dkms packages annoyingly
[18:40] <geofft> there is packaging for building a module-assistant kernel, so maybe that can be abused to do a PPA test compile.
[18:40] <apw> something which did that on a regular (weekly perhaps) and reported back would be pretty easy to put together i recon
[18:40] <geofft> Can I set up a PPA that will automatically rebuild when the kernel PPA gets changed?
[18:41] <apw> geofft, for dkms that doesn't help cause building the package does not trigger dkms to run
[18:41] <apw> acdtually you just want a machine which has the kernle ppa attached and then just updates regularly
[18:41] <apw> if the update fails that is likely cause of openafs failing to build
[18:41] <geofft> yeah... is that what other people who care about DKMS do? I guess that's fine.
[18:42] <apw> i am unsure if they do it automatically, but that is the process in large part
[18:55] <smaresca> in the linux-image-3.2.0-* debs from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com, I've noticed that 'struct slab' seems to be missing from debug type data
[18:56] <smaresca> I was under the impression that even SLUB uses slab structs, so I was really confused that this was the case
[18:56] <smaresca> is that an expected omission?
[20:06]  * ppisati -> real life
[20:26]  * rtg_ -> EOD
[20:48] <apw> smaresca, it is not clear that it does use it
[20:59] <smaresca> apw, i agree..I've been trying to find some sort of confirmation one way or the other
[21:00] <apw> check include/linux/mm_types.h
[21:00] <apw> there is shows the slub info overlaying the slab_page pointer, the slab * type pointer
[21:00] <apw> you don't use both at once
[21:08] <smaresca> apw, so even though a lot of SLUB code references slabs, it's more a question of overlapping terminology, and i've gotten myself confused unnecessarily?
[21:08] <apw> smaresca, right they are 'slabs' in the sense they are typed memory pools
[21:09] <apw> smaresca, they are not slabs as in controlled by struct slab.  they do i believe have a slab_info associated with them
[21:18] <smaresca> apw, thanks for clearing that up for me
[22:38] <BarkingFish> Hello guys :)  I know it's a pain, but I don't suppose any of you would happen to have the main files for kernel 3.8.0-2-generic floating around at all, please?  I've been given source to compile it myself, but my system doesn't seem to like that - next option is to search for someone with the headers, image-extra, and the image & -generic files please :)
[23:11] <BarkingFish> sorry for disappearing, had a system restart to put through
[23:22] <Sarvatt> BarkingFish: on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux you can click view full publishing history up top, scroll down to the version you want https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/linux/3.8.0-2.6 then click on the architecture under Builds to get the debs
[23:24] <Sarvatt> the main headers package (not generic) is built on i386 for everything though so will need to get it from there if you're on amd64


[00:18] <RagnarokAngel>  sigh my card does not want to freaking mount.
[00:37] <binarymutant_pho> anyone else use xbmc?
[00:37] <Unit193> Nope.
[00:38] <binarymutant_pho> it wont let me use my wm
[12:49] <binarymutant> maybe irc on my phone isnt such a great idea. many disconnects
[12:50] <wrst> binarymutant: have you thought about something like znc?
[12:51] <binarymutant> i no longer have anything 'always connected' now that i dropped ec2
[12:51] <wrst> ahh
[12:52] <wrst> i keep a little atom powered box at home running all the time its my 'server'
[12:52] <cyberanger> binarymutant: looked into linode?
[12:52] <binarymutant> wrst i need a small top box
[12:52] <cyberanger> and yeah, that's why I use weechat, screen, connectbot, and some custom push scripts
[12:53] <cyberanger> push notification scripts*
[12:53] <binarymutant> this phone needs a tab button
[12:53] <wrst> binarymutant: raspberry pi, would be great for an irc server
[12:53] <binarymutant> ya
[12:53] <binarymutant> 100$ though
[12:53] <cyberanger> binarymutant: android? hardware keyboard or software
[12:53] <cyberanger> ?
[12:54] <wrst> binarymutant: you are going all crazy and buying a case ? :)
[12:54] <binarymutant> soft, japanese ime
[12:55] <binarymutant> cyberanger vps is too much money
[12:56] <cyberanger> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.pocketworkstation.pckeyboard
[12:56] <cyberanger> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=elbrain.bluekeyboard.ime
[12:57] <cyberanger> the first is a softkeyboard, the second is HID drivers for a bluetooth keyboard
[12:57] <cyberanger> I switch between these two plus swipe depending on the task
[12:58] <binarymutant> i like google's ime
[12:59] <binarymutant> maybe theres a way to do name completion w/o tab
[13:01] <binarymutant> ahh found it. the search button autocompletes
[13:02] <cyberanger> you can install it & never use it, I mean it's rare I pull out the bluetooth keyboard anymore, but when it's what I have to ssh with, it's nice
[13:02] <binarymutant> cyberanger no bluetooth keyboard here
[13:03] <binarymutant> but that would be nice
[13:05] <cyberanger> that's why I suggested hacker's keyboard too though, nicest qwerty softkey I've seen
[13:05] <binarymutant> ibus needs to be ported to android
[13:05] <cyberanger> and why the bluetooth keyboard is rare now
[13:05] <cyberanger> but revert back to swipe for nearly everything outside the ssh client
[13:06] <binarymutant> if ibus was ported i'd use that
[13:07] <binarymutant> the hacker keyboard*
[13:13] <binarymutant> The voice to text is cool
[13:15] <binarymutant> back to xbmc
[13:18] <netritious> with a case and power supply, the raspberry pi is <$60
[13:18] <binarymutant> I thought it was 100 dollars
[13:19] <netritious> nah, the raspberry pi itself is about $40 US, PS about $10 and case <$10
[13:20] <binarymutant> Ooo
[13:20] <netritious> yeah, mine is still in the box....I just haven't had time to mess with it yet
[13:20] <binarymutant> Do want
[13:21] <binarymutant> Xbmc top box
[13:21] <netritious> yep, Svpernova09 has something going on with that on the pi I think
[13:22] <netritious> and then there are arch and debian images already ported to the pi
[13:22] <binarymutant> that's sweet
[13:42] <wrst> netritious: i'm wondering how many pacakges will be available for the pi or ported to arm?
[13:44] <binarymutant> A lot already are
[13:44] <binarymutant> To arm•
[13:44] <wrst> that's cool
[14:00] <netritious> morning wrst
[14:01] <netritious> what binarymutant said :)
[14:01] <wrst> morning netritious, all going well?
[14:02] <netritious> all is well. how about yourself wrst?
[14:02] <wrst> doing well, just getting things together to show the powers that be that we are broke yet another month :)
[14:05] <netritious> could be worse wrst?
[14:05] <wrst> yes they could quit paying me to tell them these things! :)
[14:06] <wrst> this is actually expected and we are doing better than we feared
[14:17] <netritious> wrst: sounds like that qualifies as "could be worse" :)
[14:17] <wrst> ha ha exactly netritious, a LOT worse!
[14:17] <wrst> i still get paid!
[18:56] <RagnarokAngel> I seem to have removed my ability to alt+tab between windows somewhere during my unity purge.
[18:58] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: you running 12.04?
[18:58] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: Yeah, I downloaded the latest image and did an update that way
[18:58] <wrst> i know there is an option about that in ccsm if that helps
[18:59] <RagnarokAngel> seems to have preserved my files but I've got some wonky things still
[18:59] <wrst> i think unity does all that through compiz
[18:59] <RagnarokAngel> well I purged unity and installed gnome3
[18:59] <RagnarokAngel> and I'm using gnome classic
[18:59] <RagnarokAngel> because I dislike gnome-shell as much as unity.
[19:00] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i'm not for sure then hwo all that works, i've pretty much abandoned ubuntu since unity
[19:00] <wrst> i run it on a server and have a destkop install but unity just isn't for me
[19:00] <RagnarokAngel> me either
[19:00] <wrst> i do like gnome shell, but its rather ugly by default in ubuntu
[19:00] <RagnarokAngel> it sure is
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> I could probably go and tweak it for an hour or two and get something nice
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> or I could just keep using an interface I like.
[19:01] <wrst> i'm using it on arch and really happy, but fedora does a nice job of leaving gnome shell alone, but that means you have to use fedora :)
[19:01] <Unit193> RagnarokAngel: People claim Xfce is closer to old style Gnome2, but I'd have to disagree a little as I didn't like Gnome2 and I like Xfce. ;P
[19:01] <wrst> what do you prefer RagnarokAngel?
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> gnome2 was fine with gnome-do
[19:01] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: extensions are the bomb with gnoem shell you can make it whatever you want
[19:01] <RagnarokAngel> yeah, I've heard.
[19:01] <wrst> especially some of the menu extensions out there
[19:02] <RagnarokAngel> I actually... just don't care.
[19:02] <wrst> or the fallback mode is pretty gnome 2-ish also
[19:02] <RagnarokAngel> the classic interface is fine
[19:02] <RagnarokAngel> I'd honestly be interested in going to a tiling wm instead
[19:03] <Unit193> Ah, like awesomewm.
[19:03] <wrst> Unit193: you can get xfce, tweak, and compiz and you pretty much have gnome 2 in all its glory
[19:03] <Unit193> "Glory" ;)
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> yeah awesomewm/ratpoison/xmonad
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> I have a feeling once I move I'll never come back
[19:03] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: that's hardcore!
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> keyboards are so much more useful for managing my windows
[19:03] <Unit193> You can build from the mini.iso and just install what you want, if you would like to stay with Ubuntu.
[19:03] <RagnarokAngel> and this losing alt-tab is pretty shit.
[19:04] <RagnarokAngel> I think the only real reason I'm running ubuntu right now is because valve is going to be officially supporting it first.
[19:04] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: yeah i was about to say if you like that level of customization ubuntu probably isn't the place
[19:05] <wrst> and i wouldn't be surprised if some smart person doesn't somehow get valve in the AUR for arch
[19:05] <RagnarokAngel> yeah an arch install is very likely in my future
[19:05] <RagnarokAngel> oh they absolutely will
[19:05] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: its easy  as long as you read the docs :)
[19:05] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: I've done some of the required reading.
[19:06] <RagnarokAngel> and I'd be fine if I had my chromebook next to me for the whole install
[19:06] <RagnarokAngel> I just did this to get a quick and dirty update to my ancient 10.10
[19:06] <wrst> i don't think its that bad its like doing a debian net install but you have to manually do all the configs
[19:06] <RagnarokAngel> it'll be a good learning experience in config files
[19:07] <RagnarokAngel> something broke with wifi though
[19:07] <wrst> but arch ships the default files so its not that big of a deal either and i really like it that everything rotates around the /etc/rc.conf file
[19:07] <RagnarokAngel> I used to be able to connect to the LEAP secured network here
[19:07] <RagnarokAngel> but now I can only connect to the openaccess one.
[19:07] <RagnarokAngel> not a deal breaker but quite annoying.
[19:08] <RagnarokAngel> stupid web-based logins.
[19:10] <RagnarokAngel> I've got a slew of packages that are being held back from updating. How can I check the reason?
[19:12] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: are you apt-get update or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[19:12] <RagnarokAngel> update
[19:12] <wrst> *apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:12] <RagnarokAngel> upgrade
[19:12] <RagnarokAngel> I should have thought to dist-
[19:12] <RagnarokAngel> it's been a while since I actually sat down and worked on this thing
[19:12] <wrst> they are probably needing to remove a package or somethign since upgrade is the same as safe-upgrade in aptitude
[19:13] <RagnarokAngel> yeah there they all went
[19:14] <wrst> cool
[19:14] <RagnarokAngel> is notifyosd in arch (or something like it)?
[19:14] <wrst> is that the buble notifications RagnarokAngel?
[19:14] <RagnarokAngel> yeah
[19:14] <wrst> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25256
[19:15] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: you can isntall unity in arch if you really want to ;)
[19:21] <RagnarokAngel> thanks wrst, I'm sure I'll do that.
[19:21] <wrst> ha ha
[19:21] <wrst> well sadly the unity package looks to be failing
[19:22] <RagnarokAngel> how awful. I'm sure 12 people are sad.
[19:23] <wrst> ha ha
[19:23] <alyawn> 12... that seems really high
[19:23] <RagnarokAngel> Why doesn't this come with all my settings managers installed!? Am I expected to just like what they did to this OS?
[19:23] <wrst> i'm very happy with gnome-shell and a few extensions
[19:23] <RagnarokAngel> alyawn: you're probably right. Just the guy who packaged it is upset.
[19:23] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i think thats the idea actually
[19:23] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: This is not a mac.
[19:24] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: that's the direction ubuntu is headed
[19:24] <wrst> i'm not saying its a bad thing either, but its not for me
[19:24] <RagnarokAngel> appliance style linux distros. Is this really the future?
[19:24] <wrst> its the future for wide spread adoption
[19:24] <RagnarokAngel> at least people can still get the packages they want, I don't see that going away any time soon.
[19:25] <RagnarokAngel> I guess I could have done all this tweaking via configs but.
[19:26] <wrst> yeah RagnarokAngel i think that is the idea and actually a  good one. people that want to customize will know what to do
[19:27] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: at least it's linux in front of people. Much like android. Even if most people don't understand a thing about just how deep we have access.
[19:28] <wrst> yep, and I like what conanicol is doing with ubuntu actually
[19:29] <RagnarokAngel> you haven't really run linux unless you've gone into kernel panic.
[19:29] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: I think, in general, it's a good thing. It's definitely more options. And if more of my friends are running it I can always drop to terminal.
[19:31] <wrst> yep exactly
[19:32] <RagnarokAngel> what the hell is going on.
[19:32] <RagnarokAngel> I've had two packages installed now that are not available as terminal commands.
[19:32] <RagnarokAngel> compizconfig-settings-manager
[19:32] <RagnarokAngel> and notifyosdconfig
[19:33] <RagnarokAngel> but both are available to be launched via the gui? WTF?
[19:33] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: does ccsm start it from the terminal?
[19:34] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: yes. Are these abstracted somehow?
[19:35] <wrst> don't know RagnarokAngel just remember needing to start it from teh command line before and that did it
[19:42] <wrst> hello rfinley
[19:58] <wrst> wb average_guy, RagnarokAngel ;)
[19:58] <average_guy> hi wrst
[19:59] <wrst> howdy average_guy
[19:59] <RagnarokAngel> thanks wrst
[19:59] <wrst> and RagnarokAngel greetings
[19:59] <RagnarokAngel> So I need to manually install grub2 now.
[19:59] <RagnarokAngel> frack.
[19:59] <wrst> ?
[20:00] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: have you considered a clean install? :)
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> trying to do a dual boot for a friend
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> and it worked fine
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> until grub2
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> then /epicfail
[20:00] <RagnarokAngel> wouldn't install it anywhere via the installer
[20:00] <wrst> ohh yeah ubuntu's tweaked grub 2 bites
[20:00] <wrst> or it did last time i used it
[20:01] <RagnarokAngel> it seems to be an open issue... that the installer can't install grub2 on certain systems. How does this get released?
[20:02] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: can you use grub-legacy still with ubuntu?
[20:03] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: honestly no idea. I think a standard grub2 should work, right?
[20:03] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i despise grub 2 i'm not a good person to ask i'm still running grub-legacy, i just want it to boot!!!
[20:03] <Unit193> Wonder how well a wheezy to Sid would work now. :P
[20:03] <RagnarokAngel> hahaha
[20:04] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i did run grub 2 for a while but menu.lst is so easy
[20:05] <RagnarokAngel> I honestly haven't even messed with bootloaders much. I only deal with them when there are problems.
[20:05] <wrst> me too RagnarokAngel, thats the only time I hope anyone does :)
[20:06] <RagnarokAngel> and I wasn't able to get a gui from the liveusb I made on his machine
[20:07] <RagnarokAngel> but mine loaded fine.
[20:07] <RagnarokAngel> er it loaded the gui fine on my machine
[20:10] <wrst> hmm graphics card stuff possibly?
[20:12] <RagnarokAngel> no it loaded gui elements like the mouse, and it seemed to be functioning fine during the install (which loads the whole gui now for some weird reason).
[20:12] <RagnarokAngel> err, the whole gui minus unity.
[20:13] <wrst> can we just blame it on unity?
[20:15] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[20:16] <RagnarokAngel> there's no way to force a terminal launch of the livecd is there.
[20:17] <RagnarokAngel> I just need fdisk.
[20:17] <RagnarokAngel> actually
[20:17] <RagnarokAngel> I need 0% gui for this
[20:18] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i'm guessing ctl-alt-f1 doesn't get it done?
[20:18] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: when would I do that?
[20:18] <wrst> when some of those gui elements are loaded, that should take you out of x and to tty1
[20:19] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: seemingly no, it must be hungup somewhere in the initializing then.
[20:49] <vychune> o/
[20:49] <Unit193> Howdy.
[20:49] <vychune> how you guys doing?
[20:56] <wrst> great vychune, you?
[20:57] <vychune> doing fine
[20:57] <vychune> just need a job
[21:01] <netritious> hello vychune
[21:01] <vychune> hey hey
[21:02] <vychune> netritious: know anybody hiring in Memphis?
[21:02] <netritious> not any place in particular...check craigslist?
[21:03] <netritious> wrst: you run arch, right?
[21:04] <vychune> i checked there all the time, it's full of s*** now or days
[21:04] <wrst> netritious: yes i do
[21:04] <vychune> i run arch
[21:05] <netritious> wow there are lots of ppl here running arch
[21:05] <netritious> arch, the next popular distro for power users?
[21:06] <vychune> not me i run, didnt say i like it lol
[21:06] <wrst> netritious: actually i think it has been that for a while
[21:10] <vychune> ^
[21:10] <netritious> eh idk, I consider myself a power user and haven't tried arch. I've researched it a bit though, and have read docs on packages that othrwise have no docs
[21:10] <vychune> it's great and all but :/
[21:10] <netritious> s/hr/her/
[21:10] <netritious> but....what, vychune? :)
[21:11] <vychune> s/pacman/deb
[21:14] <netritious> wrst: maybe it's just I'm not trendy? \m/ lol
[21:14] <netritious> I've actually been tempted a few times to try arch, but I hear about the time involved and, well, I already spend to much time ont he computer, at least that's what my wife says
[21:14] <netritious> vychune: I like apt, but haven't tried pacman
[21:14] <netritious> what's wrong with arch's package manager?
[21:15] <vychune> I don't like it
[21:15] <vychune> command line only
[21:25] <vychune> o/ ChanServ
[21:25] <Unit193> :D
[21:25] <vychune> o/ chris4585
[21:26] <vychune> Unit193: urusai
[21:26] <chris4585> lol hi
[21:28] <wrst> vychune: its not necessarily command line only i use gnome-packagekit
[21:29] <wrst> netritious: ^^
[21:29] <wrst> netritious: i think you could say pacman -s similar to apt but without anything pretty
[21:29] <wrst> hmm pacman
[21:29] <wrst> pacman -S is what you use to install a package i have it on the brain!
[21:31] <vychune> ah
[21:35] <netritious> hello chris4585
[21:35] <netritious> wb RagnarokAngel
[21:36] <netritious> wrst: just another package manager?
[21:36] <vychune> netritious: i just like to have the GUI to serach packages with
[21:36] <vychune> s/serach/search
[21:38] <netritious> vychune: I get not wanting to deal with the terminal. It's a user preference thing oc.
[21:39] <netritious> wrst: are you using quassel on winders? (hence no speeel check?)
[21:39] <netritious> oh wait, sorry that was vychune :?
[21:40] <vychune> ......oro?
[21:42] <netritious> oh nothing, my mind wandered...I thought that was wrst making the correction
[21:44] <vychune> ohhh
[21:44] <vychune> i know vim too lol
[21:45] <netritious> i know nano :/
[21:45] <netritious> and a little vi....I almost always have to breakout the cheatsheet for vi
[21:45] <vychune> IKR lol
[21:46] <netritious> if I used it more it wouldn't be an issue...again, one of those time things
[21:47] <vychune> i love nano
[21:50] <netritious> it just works™
[21:51] <netritious> so does vi, but it's less intuitive, for me at least.
[21:52] <netritious> take someone like cyberanger or Unit193 and they probably prefered vi from the get go lol
[21:52] <Unit193> Na, I'm not that cool. :P
[21:52] <netritious> XD
[21:52] <netritious> I've been surprised before...
[21:54] <netritious> I once met an old school perl programmer that used nano
[21:54] <netritious> professional coder
[21:54] <chris4585> I have gnome-packagekit installed but rarely use it, I prefer pacman -Ss and pacman -Syyu
[21:54] <netritious> does arch have man?
[21:54] <chris4585> of course
[21:55] <netritious> just checking
[21:56] <chris4585> long time no see netritious
[21:56] <netritious> yeah, been a minute chris4585 :)
[21:57] <netritious> I've been around, only have tiem for lurking mostly
[21:57] <netritious> *time
[21:57] <chris4585> yeah, I haven't been on irc lately, just no real want to be on here, feeling really introverted lately
[21:58] <vychune> chris4585: really? why?
[21:59] <vychune> netritious: what else would it have? besides man?
[21:59] <chris4585> I haven't felt like talking to people lately I guess, no real issues
[21:59] <vychune> oh ok then lol
[22:01] <wrst> netritious: i was on windows but now i'm back at home so i have spellcheck
[22:03] <netritious> lol wrst
[22:03] <wrst> :)
[22:03] <netritious> vychune: there have been a few systems I've tried where the default install doesn't include man
[22:03] <wrst> and netritious i'm right with you nano works and makes sense!
[22:04] <netritious> and if you aren't familiar with the package manager, you're left with --help or -?, which is fine I guess
[22:04] <vychune> ah ok
[22:06] <netritious> yeah I was happily surprised that last time I visudo'ed and there was nano
[22:06] <netritious> wrst: ^
[22:06] <netritious> seems to be the default
[22:06] <netritious> at least on ubuntulog
[22:06] <netritious> *ubuntu
[22:07] <wrst> yes netritious i always setup visudo to work with nano, i spend more time to figure out how to get vi to work than to edit the file
[22:07] <wrst> with sudo i think vi is still default i'm betting ubuntu makes  a good tweak there
[22:08] <chris4585> I always forget how to set the default editor, EXPORT=nano or something
[22:08] <Unit193> echo --help
[22:08] <netritious> yeah in /home/<username>/.profile ? I tink that's it
[22:10] <netritious> s/tink/think/ argh
[22:10]  * netritious is using quassel on win
[22:11] <netritious> well the client anyway...server is on a precise vm
[22:12]  * vychune is using xchat
[22:14] <netritious> dinner...afk
[22:33] <vychune>  got a job!
[22:34]  * vychune fangirl screams
[23:06] <vychune> .......
[23:06] <vychune> oh well lol


[02:32] <Controlsfreek> I'm looking at Bug #1099815, which seems to be a bitesize bug. I'm completely new to unity/nux. Trying to figure out the lifecycle of LauncherOptions. Is there documentation on how the options get populated (aside from their default values in the constructor)?
[02:33] <Controlsfreek> Was expecting to see a function that loads values from a config file of some sort...
[02:34] <Controlsfreek> A nudge in the right direction would be much appreciated! Thanks
[02:54] <jrr> how might I make the top menu bar only display on my primary screen?
[09:37] <popey> seb128: seems unity in ubuntu-desktop/daily-build is broken today?
[09:37] <popey> i get no launcher or panel
[09:37] <popey> (morning btw) ☺
[09:38] <popey> segfault in libunityshell.so
[09:38] <popey> [   96.792983] compiz[2973]: segfault at 70 ip 00007f86ac6c291a sp 00007fff37a906a0 error 4 in libunityshell.so[7f86ac4ea000+409000]
[09:39] <davidcalle> popey, I can confirm
[09:39] <popey> thanks davidcalle
[09:39] <sil2100> huh
[09:39] <duflu> popey: CLI; way of the future [tm]
[09:39]  * popey gets his VT101 out
[09:40] <seb128> popey, hey, I'm not running the daily ppa but seems you got people to confirm
[09:42]  * davidcalle was running trunk via unity-team/staging when it happened yesterday afternoon
[09:42] <popey> davidcalle: do we have a bug filed for it?
[09:43] <davidcalle> popey, I wasn't sure if it was a driver or Unity issue, since the move to SNA was done at the same time. No bug yet AFAIK.
[09:44] <popey> I'm on nVidia
[09:44] <davidcalle> Intel for me
[09:45] <sil2100> So maybe the latest commit?
[09:46] <popey> sil2100: can you take a look pls?
[09:46] <sil2100> popey: will do
[09:46] <popey> thanks
[09:48] <sil2100> davidcalle: you're using staging, right?
[09:48] <davidcalle> sil2100, not anymore, but I was indeed
[09:49]  * popey purges the ppa until fixed
[09:54] <sil2100> popey: what version did you use that was segfaulting?
[09:54] <sil2100> Was it 6.12.0daily13.01.21-0ubuntu1 for unity?
[09:57] <popey> one mo
[09:58] <popey> no
[09:58] <popey> looks like from http://paste.ubuntu.com/1558044 that I installed 13.01.22 atr ~09:30 today
[09:58] <sil2100> Oh, ok, so what versions did you use that were crashing? from daily0build?
[09:58] <popey> oh, no, hang on
[09:59] <popey> yes, 22 at 9:30
[09:59] <popey> if I'm reading that grep of /var/log/dpkg right
[09:59] <popey> so i updated at 9:30 (my time in the logs) and saw the issue at 09:37, yes looks like 13.01.22
[10:01] <sil2100> Ok, so hm, there's no compiz update this day
[10:01] <sil2100> Thanks, looking further
[10:01] <seb128> sil2100, the segfault is in unity
[10:01] <seb128> so doesn't need to be a compiz update
[10:02] <sil2100> popey: is it segfaulting every time? Since the difference between 21 and 22 is just one build-related commit
[10:03] <sil2100> popey: did you try 21 yesterday without any problems?
[10:03] <popey> yes, 21 was fine
[10:03] <sil2100> Actually, nux might also be involved
[10:03] <popey> i had 21 installed and running when 22 was installing
[10:03] <popey> ran all day with 21 running fine yesterday
[10:03] <sil2100> If there are some new commits of course...
[10:05] <sil2100> Ok, testing something
[10:10] <sil2100> popey: ok, so, try updating nux as well
[10:10] <popey> to what?
[10:10] <sil2100> popey: it seems that there was probably some inside ABI break in the last big commit and unity deps didn't get updated
[10:10] <sil2100> popey: to the one in daily
[10:10] <sil2100> popey: since from your logs I didn't see nux getting updated
[10:11] <popey> i specifically grepped for unity
[10:11] <sil2100> So, nux was 22 as well?
[10:12] <sil2100> Since I experienced a similar segfault when having upgraded unity and compiz without nux
[10:12] <popey> one mo..
[10:12] <sil2100> But this might be a different case
[10:12] <popey> sil2100: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1558124
[10:13] <popey> thats the full log from 20th to now
[10:14] <sil2100> Ok, so it was there, interesting
[10:18] <sil2100> popey: is it possible for you to use latest unity but revert nux to the previous daily? (18)
[10:18] <rperier> what is the module used to ask the Launcher what is the running app ? BamfApplicationManager ?
[10:18] <rperier> hey btw
[10:18] <popey> lets see
[10:24] <popey> sil2100: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1558193  - that works
[10:25] <sil2100> popey: ok, so as I thought, nux is the problem - and the reason why I don't get the crash is probably that I'm using staging right now
[10:26] <sil2100> popey: and it seems that there might have been a difference in what was built before what
[10:27] <sil2100> hah, indeed!
[10:28] <sil2100> libnux-4.0-common amd64 4.0.0daily13.01.18-0ubuntu1
[10:28] <sil2100> So, the problem is:
[10:29] <sil2100> unity in the daily PPA has been build with nux 4.0.0daily13.01.18-0ubuntu1, which is the old one, after which the 22nd nux has been built - and in nux there seems to be some ABI break that requires unity to be built with the latest nux to work
[10:29] <sil2100> So, because unity was built using old nux, and the daily PPA has the new nux in it, which is not compatible with unity built with the old nux, there is a crash
[10:30] <sil2100> In staging there is no such problem because nux has been built there 18 hours ago and unity 5 hours ago, so unity was built using latest nux
[10:30] <sil2100> How to fix that? Nux probably needs an ABI bump first of all
[10:31] <MCR1> Hi :) I can confirm staging is still working on raring and the Dash flies with the new blur 8-)
[10:32] <MCR1> Quality of the blur has somewhat regressed, but functionality and speed are much more important for the Dash
[10:33] <MCR1> it was quite unusable with free gallium-radeon driver at least...
[10:39] <sil2100> popey: now, I don't really have a clue how to fix the daily PPA...
[10:40] <sil2100> popey: since the broken packages are already there, not sure if I can push anything to that place
[10:40] <seb128> sil2100, you should be able to land an unity rebuild no?
[10:41] <sil2100> seb128: I don't think I have any permissions for that PPA
[10:44] <seb128> sil2100, should it autoland rebuilds if there are new commits?
[10:44] <seb128> where is didrocks today?
[10:44] <sil2100> seb128: not entirely sure how daily works, but I think it's only rebuilding per-day
[10:45] <sil2100> seb128: so, since the last build was 6 hours ago, I think it will rebuild tomorrow at soonest
[10:45] <sil2100> seb128: not sure, I was hoping he'll be around ;p
[10:45] <seb128> he might still be jetlagged
[10:54] <MCR1> speaking of the devil ;)
[10:55] <sil2100> didrocks: my man!
[10:55] <didrocks> hey sil2100
[10:55] <sil2100> didrocks: how are you?
[10:56] <didrocks> jetlag apparently
[10:56] <didrocks> awaken from 1am to 4am
[10:57] <sil2100> For everyone interested: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/nux/bump_abi/+merge/144270
[10:58] <MCR1> didrocks: Hi :) Do you know why Unity is recommending the package "hud", there is no such package anywhere ? Is this some kind of joke ?
[10:58] <didrocks> MCR1: this package will come soon
[10:59] <didrocks> why would we put joke in the packaging?
[10:59] <MCR1> ah, ok
[10:59] <MCR1> I do not know - I was just wondering
[10:59] <sil2100> It's an easter egg
[10:59] <sil2100> We're waiting for easter to release it
[10:59] <sil2100> It hatches then
[10:59] <sil2100> ;)
[10:59] <MCR1> It sounds good: Unity recommends using the hud ;)
[11:00] <rperier> the bug 692444 is still valid and need to be fixed ? I see  "confirmed->Fix committed" and "fix committed -> confirmed"  a lot of times
[11:00] <sil2100> rperier: let me check, but from what I remember it's still an issue
[11:00] <MCR1> yes it is
[11:00] <MCR1> rperier: Still valid
[11:04] <luv> I am planning to alter my unity to show list of windows when i right click an icon in the launcher - that is i can switch to the window I want based on it's windows title without going through the spread
[11:04] <luv> saves time and all
[11:04] <rperier> ok, as the trash is "hardcoded" into launcher/TrashLauncherIcon.cpp and executes "xdg-open trash://" directly,  we could ask bamf to focus the window with the title "trash" (or ask the launcher to focus the window), what do you thing ? There is a module to do that easily in unity ? or I need to use bamf directly ?
[11:04] <luv> anyone would be interested in the patch or should i not bother and just keep it to myself?
[11:05] <sil2100> rperier: hm, I think the best person to ask is Trevinho ^
[11:05] <rperier> Trevinho: ping
[11:05] <luv> or have a look at BamfLauncherIcon.cpp how it is done there
[11:05] <sil2100> luv: I would be interested in such a patch - what I would recommend is to send this to the design team for comment
[11:06] <sil2100> luv: for instance, you could file in a bug that's targetting unity as Wishlist and ayatana-design, attach the branch there and wait for comment from the design
[11:06] <luv> sil2100: well, i'm going to get it done anyone for myself so i dont really need design team's comments i know what i want ;-)
[11:06] <rperier> lunch time, bbl
[11:07] <luv> i will put the bug on my github and see you guys link when im done and then you can take it from there
[11:07] <sil2100> luv: it's not about modifying your approach, but getting to know if the unity design team would find it useful
[11:07] <luv> sil2100: right, i will do that when im done
[11:08] <luv> a bit of sarcasm here ... do i have to be subtle about the idea and make it seem they actually came up with it to make them accept it ;-)
[11:09] <luv> s/bug/patch/
[11:11] <luv> anyway, im not comfortable just filing a bug (and wishlist for that matter) because in my experience it always leads nowhere (no hard feelings, that's just how it is ... and I have been told bunch of times to use ML or IRC)
[12:14] <rperier> before trying to solve the above bug, I am trying to install unity-trunk from 12.10 in $HOME/staging (so I need bamf 0.4) . bamf from trunk tries to install Bamf-3.gir into /usr/share/gir-1.0 and does not respect the $PREFIX variable
[12:25] <Trevinho> rperier: I've already done some nautilus work to get that working properly
[12:26] <rperier> The problem is the trash launcher does not call nautilus directly but xdg-open
[12:30] <rperier> so as long as xdg-open is used from the trash launcher, the solution should work for all files managers compatibles with xdg-open and should not be specific to nautilus . Except if you plan to call "nautilus trash://" directly
[12:30] <rperier> imho
[12:30] <rperier> however, I am still a beginner, I could be wrong
[12:34] <Trevinho> rperier: well, caliing that is ok to me... Relying on windows name is not a proper solution, I'd prefer to fix nautilus since it's what we use
[12:36] <rperier> ok, so that's probably better for me to find another bug in this case, no ? (if the fix is in nautilus and not in unity...)
[12:37] <seb128> Trevinho, what you mean "fix nautilus"?
[12:50] <didrocks> seb128: I think he meant "exposing the tabs through a dbus API" or something like that
[12:50] <didrocks> like location path…
[12:51] <seb128> didrocks, oh, ok
[13:03] <rperier> Trevinho: If the problem is mostly on the nautilus side, does unity need to be fixed or not ?
[13:56] <rperier> well, I will find another bug, because apparently the previous one is still under discussion and I am probably not the good person to work on it ;)
[14:00] <rye> uhm, i can reproduce flickering in dash on my acer aspire one device
[14:01] <rye> ah, sorry, ubuntu-x, not here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1100970
[14:15] <rye> however, it looks like dash blur "overlay" is rendered too low and too to the left here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1100970 - added unity task too
[14:35] <didrocks> sil2100: if you bump abi, you need to have unity deps on the new nux version
[14:36] <didrocks> otherwise, in the ppa, unity will maybe still build against the previous nux
[14:36] <didrocks> mterry: nux is always breaking its ABI, we have something similar to compiz to handle that
[14:36] <didrocks> mterry: basically, this file is stripped down and generate a virtual provides:
[14:36] <didrocks> see Provides: libnux-abiversion-${nuxabiversion}
[14:37] <didrocks> and it's using that string in debian/rules to generate the right version
[14:37] <didrocks> then, when building against nux
[14:37] <mterry> didrocks, ah, OK thanks
[14:37] <didrocks> we have a similar thing in debian/rules to see against which nux we built against
[14:37] <didrocks> and dep against that
[14:37] <didrocks> not stellar, but no good other way when upstream keeps breaking the ABI
[14:38] <didrocks> mterry: however, as told to sil2100, to ensure next daily-build is working, we need to ensure unity build-dep until nux is built
[14:38] <didrocks> mterry: can you ensure we get that dummy merge bumping the version in?
[14:39] <mterry> didrocks, sure.  sil2100 , have you started working on that?
[14:45] <sil2100> didrocks: ok!
[14:47] <sil2100> mterry: I'm working on it right now
[14:47] <didrocks> sweet
[14:47] <mterry> sil2100, alright, I'd be happy to do the review when you're done
[14:56] <sil2100> didrocks: so a dummy empty merge is enough?
[14:57] <didrocks> sil2100: hum? no, you need to bump the build-dep for the next day ppa build
[14:58] <sil2100> didrocks: ah, yes yes ;) I wasn't thinking when I was asking that it seems
[14:58] <didrocks> :)
[14:58] <didrocks> better to ask before anyway ;)
[14:59] <didrocks> ping me if you have issues to identify what versionning you should put here
[14:59] <didrocks> mterry: maybe you already know the rule btw ^
[15:00] <mterry> didrocks, not off the top off my head.  I imagine SONAME gets bumped and the day will be incremented
[15:01] <mterry> didrocks, so libnux-4.0-1 with a version of the next daily build?
[15:04] <didrocks> mterry: no, the binary packages statys the same (as we don't version ABI changes thanks to this provides:)
[15:04] <didrocks> let's see with which version numbers comes in in his MP and then we can discuss :)
[15:06] <sil2100> My branch is open to discussion ;p
[15:07] <mterry> didrocks, oh I misunderstood how the magic happened then.  You're saying the magic is on the consumer (unity) side?
[15:08] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, we need to tell unity to build after nux
[15:08] <didrocks> as both are built at the same time, uploaded to the ppa
[15:08] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, that was a nice try :)
[15:08] <didrocks> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/unity_bump_nux_deps/+merge/144324
[15:08] <didrocks> sil2100: but in fact not!
[15:09] <sil2100> !
[15:09] <sil2100> :)
[15:09] <didrocks> theorically it's fine, for the daily release :)
[15:09] <didrocks> BUT
[15:09] <didrocks> we need first to pass the jenkins merger
[15:09] <didrocks> which doesn't have this version
[15:09] <didrocks> so we'll get a rejection
[15:09] <sil2100> uh, right
[15:09] <didrocks> so we need to use the version which corresponds to that change in the staging ppa
[15:09] <sil2100> Well, I was thinking we could get this merge in tomorrow, but this would mean a one-day lag that's probably not necessary...
[15:10] <sil2100> Oh, ok
[15:10] <sil2100> Ah, indeed, since it's using daily + bzr revision
[15:10] <didrocks> sil2100: so, the version is not that important, bu you can put: 4.0.0daily13.01.18bzr752
[15:10] <didrocks> even if it's not exact by one commit :)
[15:11] <didrocks> anyway, distro won't have that one
[15:11] <didrocks> it will get 4.0.0daily13.01.23 as you invocated
[15:11] <mterry> didrocks, I know why we need to bump unity, I meant the magic of calculating which version is which ABI is happening on the unity side?  I guess I'm confused by what you said happened automatically when the ABI was bumped
[15:11] <didrocks> and 4.0.0daily13.01.18 < 4.0.0daily13.01.18bzr752 < 4.0.0daily13.01.23
[15:11] <didrocks> so we are good
[15:11] <sil2100> Yes, but I see compiz anyway has something like that, since they're compatible
[15:11] <didrocks> mterry: oh, that's separate, yeah, let's finish then and I'll reexplain :)
[15:11] <didrocks> that*
[15:12] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, for compiz, it was a day when I just triggered a rebuild
[15:12] <didrocks> (of unity)
[15:12] <didrocks> sil2100: mterry: I'm still opened to the discussion on the fact we can avoid that btw
[15:12] <didrocks> like autobumping automatically everyday the build-dep on what's part of the stack
[15:12] <mterry> didrocks, but the daily build has 01.22
[15:13] <mterry> didrocks, not .18
[15:13] <didrocks> urgh?
[15:13] <didrocks> mterry: ah, daily ppa you mean
[15:13] <mterry> didrocks, yeah
[15:13] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, but this one was never published
[15:13] <mterry> didrocks, oh...
[15:13] <didrocks> it failed because of the ABI breakage
[15:13] <didrocks> mterry: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/cu2d/view/Unity%20Head/
[15:13] <didrocks> see this beautiful red :)
[15:14] <mterry> didrocks, OK
[15:14] <mterry> didrocks, and if it had gotten released, the staging would have based its bzr suffixes on .22 anyway
[15:15] <didrocks> mterry: yep
[15:15] <didrocks> mterry: kenvandine: btw, I was thinking that we can have a google hangout on how to monitor those dailies now that they are working
[15:15] <kenvandine> didrocks, hey yeah we should
[15:15] <didrocks> I was thinking like in 45 minutes from now, but on Thursday
[15:15] <didrocks> does this work for you?
[15:15] <mterry> sure
[15:16] <kenvandine> wfm
[15:16] <didrocks> excellent
[15:16] <didrocks> let me try to schedule this on our calendars
[15:16] <didrocks> robru and cyphermox ok'ed that time
[15:17] <didrocks> mterry: kenvandine: I won't be around next week, so you will have to look closely to the releases ;)
[15:18] <didrocks> sil2100: btw, tell me once you did the change :)
[15:25] <didrocks> sil2100: approved
[15:25] <didrocks> mterry: FYI ^
[15:25] <didrocks> mterry: so on the nux ABI thingy
[15:25] <didrocks> mterry: this string is used to generate a virtual package
[15:25] <mterry> cool
[15:25] <didrocks> libnux-core-<date>
[15:26] <didrocks> we extract the date from the file in debian/rules from nux
[15:26] <mterry> yup like libnux-abiversion-20121204
[15:26] <mterry> ok
[15:26] <didrocks> and when generating with dh_gencontrol the control file, we inject it
[15:26] <mterry> but unity doesn't use it?
[15:26] <didrocks> yep :)
[15:26] <didrocks> unity uses it
[15:26] <didrocks> so this string ends up in a header
[15:26] <didrocks> that libnux-dev installs
[15:26] <sil2100> didrocks: thank you!
[15:27] <didrocks> sil2100: yw, thank to you :)
[15:27] <didrocks> in unity debian/rules we do something similar
[15:27] <didrocks> NUX_ABIVERSION := $(shell sed -rn 's/^\#define[[:space:]]+NUX_ABIVERSION[[:space:]]+//p' /usr/include/Nux-4.0/Nux/ABI.h )
[15:27] <mterry> k..
[15:27] <didrocks> and in debian/control we dep on libnux-core-<date>
[15:27] <didrocks> that we inject with     dh_gencontrol -- -Vcoreabiversion=$(CORE_ABIVERSION) -Vnuxabiversion=$(NUX_ABIVERSION)
[15:28] <didrocks> (coreabiversion is the misnamed compiz one)
[15:28] <MCR1> \o/ seems we got a working Compiz Firepaint GLES port !
[15:28] <didrocks> mterry: making more sense?
[15:29] <mterry> didrocks, so all consumers of nux have to do that?
[15:30] <didrocks> mterry: right, "all" being one… unity
[15:30] <mterry> didrocks, (and that would normally mean we don't have to manually bump unity's dep version like we just did -- but we had to because we used the new blur API?)
[15:30] <didrocks> mterry: all compiz consumers have the same thing too (it was the plugins before)
[15:30] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, theorically we don't need to bump it, but the new blur API forced us to
[15:31] <didrocks> mterry: I'm still open to a discussion on autobumping the build-dep automatically everyday for what is part of the stack
[15:31] <didrocks> it's theorically wrong, but TBH, should we really care?
[15:32] <mterry> didrocks, not sure.  It's not like we make it possible to backport to previous releases anyway (i.e. we don't need the deps to be accurate to help other people doing a backport)
[15:33] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, the question is in practice, do we really backport only part of the stack?
[15:33] <mterry> didrocks, but that means that if part of the stack has a problem (like nux did), it will stop other parts of the stack
[15:33] <didrocks> mterry: most of the time, we need to backport everything within the stack
[15:35] <didrocks> mterry: I have no strong opinion TBH, if we have this kind of issues too often, I guess this is a possible workaround
[20:56] <Trevinho> seb128: any idea why my compiz vsize/hsize parameters are set back to old default values when I change them from ccsm? bschaefer has the smae
[20:57] <Trevinho> same*
[21:23] <seb128> Trevinho, no idea no


[05:20]  * Havenstance kicks net.split
[21:45] <Havenstance> hey ya'll :)
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[23:46] <rick_h_> party
[23:46] <rick_h_> hello from frenchy land
[23:47] <jrwren> yay!
[23:47] <jrwren> how is it?
[23:48] <rick_h_> it's cool, conf is all done and sprints start tomorrow
[23:48] <rick_h_> good time, I think I went to 4 or 5 talks, but crazy awesome hallway track and such