[12:39] <DammitJim> Bryanstein, were you able to get stuff sorted out with UtahDave @ salt?
[18:14] <Bryanstein> DammitJim, I'll see...we're emailing each other
[18:18] <DammitJim> sweet


[01:11] <CIA-6> ubiquity: Mario Limonciello <supermario@mlimonciello> * rsupermario@mlimonciello-20100216011044-twekn4cl8m997xxg ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[01:11] <CIA-6> ubiquity: Catch some attribute errors if plugins try to use the controller to
[01:11] <CIA-6> ubiquity: control allowing page changes too early during initialization due to
[01:11] <CIA-6> ubiquity: signal handlers.
[01:11] <superm1> doh.  new machine; forgot to bzr whoami
[01:12] <superm1> and to set bzr revno's
[10:27] <ev> bah, looks like I broke user-setup.  Fixing it just as soon as I'm done with langpack installation in oem-config.
[10:35] <ogra> ev, ARGH ! partitioner starts in oem-config !
[10:36] <ev> yikes
[10:36] <ev> it seems like I have a few more bugs to fix then
[10:47] <ogra> i see /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py* in my SD card
[10:48]  * ogra removes and re-runs to see if it finishes properly then at least
[10:48] <ogra> there is also a migration-assistant, not sure that belongs there
[10:51] <ogra> ah, no, it serems to expect the partitioning step to be done ...
[10:51] <ogra> *seems
[11:09] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3786 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-usersetup.py):
[11:09] <CIA-6> ubiquity: * Consider a failure to set up the user-setup page to be a fatal
[11:09] <CIA-6> ubiquity:  error.
[11:09] <CIA-6> ubiquity: * Add some missing imports and variables to the user-setup page.
[11:12] <ev> for what it's worth, I've created the following page to brain dump some common processes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development/Tips
[11:15] <persia> ev: It may be worth noting that it's not only sed, but busybox sed (like normal sed, except more braindead)
[11:17] <ev> good point :), fixed
[14:33] <michaelforrest1> ev: are you still in the office? can we get you into the designers' back room for a minute when you have one?
[14:56] <ev> michaelforrest1: this is what I was talking about re the timezone map: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/368060
[15:00] <michaelforrest1> ok I've changed it to be assigned to me…. I hope I don't get letterbombed
[15:04] <ev> michaelforrest1: also, would you mind just sending me a short email of those tweaks that you wanted? (Perhaps I should have taken a post it note :) )
[15:06] <michaelforrest1> ev yeah perhaps ;)
[15:06] <michaelforrest1> gimme a mo
[15:13] <michaelforrest1> ev: sent
[15:15] <ev> michaelforrest1:  awesome, thanks!
[17:03] <Atry> can i assume ev is evand?
[17:03] <ev> yes
[17:03] <Atry> ah
[17:03] <Atry> question
[17:04] <Atry> usb-creator, can that be used to install a persistant ubuntu os on an external hard drive?
[17:07] <ev> Atry: usb-creator is simply for putting the Ubuntu ISO on a removable hard disk.  If you want to install to an external hard drive, boot the live CD (or a USB disk you created with usb-creator) and select the external hard drive as the install target.
[17:07] <Atry> had GRUB troubles with that, was referred to usb-creator :(
[17:08] <ev> Atry: can you elaborate on grub troubles
[17:09] <Atry> well
[17:11] <Atry> a comptuer i have was borked recently.  someone tried to install ubuntu to their hard drive (without check googel or the man pages) and it installed GRUB on ithink the internal hard drive while ubuntu was onthe external.  GRUB gives the grub rescue prompt, and the computer can't boot to eitehr ubuntu or the OS (vista) on the internal.
[17:16] <ev> Was this an old version of Ubuntu?  I could've sworn we set the default to install grub to the MBR of the disk that's being installed to, not (hd0).  I imagine this is fixed in Lucid anyway with the deprecation of grub device names.
[17:17] <ev> Atry: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling from LiveCD> should sort you out.
[17:19] <Atry> ev: to my knowledge ti was 9.10.  though, i haven't seen the computer yet
[17:25] <Atry> As one person suggested, i shoudl probably just install ibuntu witht he internal hard disconnected
[17:25] <Atry> and, if we can find the orginal windwos CD, repair the vista installation first
[17:51] <Atry> ah, well.  have to work.  will probably drop by later
[19:40] <CIA-6> casper: superm1 * r760 casper/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[19:40] <CIA-6> casper: Allow dpkg and apt-get to be installed from within commands that operate
[19:40] <CIA-6> casper: in the chroot via early_command or driver updates. (LP: #521218)
[19:48] <CIA-6> casper: superm1 * r761 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.218
[20:51] <superm1> JamieBennett, ^ there might still be another hiccup related to that debconf-communicate fifo mechanism though.  It seems that when 22gnome_panel_data runs is where the 'debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable' was coming from, so i'm guessing casper-reconfigure might need some more work
[20:52] <superm1> that was the only script using it from what i see
[20:53] <superm1> do need to keep in mind though that ubiquity-hooks also use the same casper-reconfigure
[20:55] <superm1> although looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-panel-data.postinst, why does it need to be reconfigured in the first place?  i dont see anything standing out
[22:09] <CIA-6> casper: superm1 * r762 casper/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/22gnome_panel_data):
[22:09] <CIA-6> casper: Disable casper-reconfigure from 22gnome_panel_data. It doesn't (appear) to
[22:09] <CIA-6> casper: serve a functional purpose as the postinst does nothing different for laptops.
[22:10] <superm1> if someone does find that it does have a purpose, feel free to revert ^
[22:12] <cjwatson> it used to create different default panel entries on laptops
[22:13] <superm1> Ah
[22:14] <cjwatson> I agree it doesn't seem to any more
[22:16] <superm1> cjwatson, is there another variable that might need to be set to allow templates to be getting registered for those other above commits?  it seems that packages can be installed with both apt-get/dpkg now, but the templates still don't show up after the boot is done
[22:19] <cjwatson> superm1: ask me next week when I'm not on holiday?
[22:19] <superm1> cjwatson, sure :)


[08:22] <redcat> bonjour la réunion école MOTU , rapport d'apport c'est bien ici a 10H00 utc
[08:22] <redcat> ?
[08:24] <redcat> j'ai trouvé la date c'est bon
[08:26] <persia> redcat: That was last week :)
[08:27] <persia> james_w: When is the next class schedule?
[08:27] <persia> s/\?/d?/
[08:43] <james_w> persia: it isn't yet
[08:45] <persia> james_w: Ah.  OK.  Maybe later in the month, or will it likely be August?
[08:46] <james_w> should be later this month, I need to send the request email soon.
[08:47] <persia> Cool.  Thanks for the update.
[23:16] <JoshuaP0x> hello


[03:11] <JanC> so how does a blind person file a bug report about a package that was removed as a .deb and now is only available as a snap package that doesn't actually work?
[03:12] <sarnold> JanC: ubuntu-bug knows how to file bugs on *some* snap packages
[03:13] <sarnold> JanC: snap info should say how to contact the snap author
[03:13] <JanC> this is about mp3gain
[03:14] <sarnold> JanC: https://github.com/dodeco/snap-mp3gain/issues looks like bugs can be filed here
[03:18] <JanC> honestly, this doesn't seem user-friendly... (especially for users that are blind, and might get directed to places they can't use)
[03:20] <JanC> seems like mp3gain is still in Debian sid, so why remove it from the Ubuntu repositories?
[03:21] <sarnold> JanC: heh, I agree, I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1861082 a year back..
[03:21] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1861082 in snapd "[SRU] ubuntu-bug doesn't know how to file bugs against snaps" [Medium, Triaged]
[03:21] <JanC> it's not just that, but working .deb packaghes get replaced by non-working snap packages
[03:21] <sarnold> JanC: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mp3gain/+publishinghistory -- "(From Debian) ROM; dead upstream, probably insecure; Debian bug #761847"
[03:22] <ubot3> Debian bug 761847 in ftp.debian.org "RM: mp3gain -- ROM; dead upstream, probably insecure" [Normal, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/761847
[03:23] <JanC> I doubt it's more insecure now than it was over the last decade or so  :)
[03:45] <JanC> and while this guy was using an unsupported release of Ubuntu before this, I'm starting to understand why he was reluctant to upgrade...
[03:47] <sarnold> well, I mean, it's available again in hirsute, upgrading to the latest supported release would do the trick
[08:36] <utkarsh2102> hello o/
[08:37] <utkarsh2102> could someone please re-trigger libphp-swiftmailer with trigger as php-monolog?
[08:37] <utkarsh2102> cf: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=amd64&package=php-monolog&trigger=libphp-swiftmailer/6.2.4-1ubuntu1&trigger=php-monolog/2.2.0-1
[08:38] <utkarsh2102> bah, re-trigger php-monolog with trigger=libphp-swiftmailer&php-monolog^ (basically the link is right :))
[09:02] <LocutusOfBorg> utkarsh2102, shouldn't we wait for the new php-defaults queue to settle down before?
[09:03] <LocutusOfBorg> donme btw
[09:03] <LocutusOfBorg> *done
[09:07] <ricotz> hello, is there an ETA for a transition to gcc 11?
[09:10] <seb128> ricotz, hey, you might want to directly ask doko
[09:12] <ricotz> seb128, heh, I see, thanks for pinging
[09:22] <utkarsh2102> LocutusOfBorg: hello & thanks! I've already built libphp-swiftmailer with newer php and it works; the excuses page also shows that it all works fine so far \o/
[09:22] <utkarsh2102> what you just re-triggered, passed as well! \o/
[09:23] <utkarsh2102> and I'd like for libphp-swiftmailer to migrate since I know it works so we can then start to fix stuff one-by-one; hope that makes sense? :D
[09:23] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, hello, what is the rationale for syncing remmina? are you switching to ayatana now?
[09:24] <utkarsh2102> also, can you re-trigger for 4 other architectures please?
[09:25] <utkarsh2102> arm64: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=arm64&package=php-monolog&trigger=libphp-swiftmailer/6.2.4-1ubuntu1&trigger=php-monolog/2.2.0-1
[09:25] <utkarsh2102> armhf: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=armhf&package=php-monolog&trigger=libphp-swiftmailer/6.2.4-1ubuntu1&trigger=php-monolog/2.2.0-1
[09:25] <utkarsh2102> ppc64el: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=ppc64el&package=php-monolog&trigger=libphp-swiftmailer/6.2.4-1ubuntu1&trigger=php-monolog/2.2.0-1
[09:25] <utkarsh2102> s390x: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=s390x&package=php-monolog&trigger=libphp-swiftmailer/6.2.4-1ubuntu1&trigger=php-monolog/2.2.0-1
[09:40] <rZr> hi,
[09:40] <rZr> hi. today I'll present online a project about core check teaser demo https://mastodon.social/@rzr/106312151682794643#pinball-ubuntu-core-20-rzr
[09:48] <doko> ricotz, seb128: you might want to look at the release schedule
[09:49] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, hey, yes, the MIR have been approved now
[09:50] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, technically there is one pending but the review comments are adressed so I think it just needs an update from the MIR team now
[09:50] <ricotz> doko, alright, thanks, July 1st is it
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks seb128 nice!
[10:20] <xnox> doko:  v5.13 kernel mainline added dependency on unreleased clang-13 for bpf selftest compilations.... I will try to backport needed bpf features to clang-12. If not possible, would you be open to let llvm-toolchain-snapshot migrate to impish-release for a bit; until clang-13 is released properly?
[10:20] <xnox> (notwithstanding your bug that is blocking -snapshot from ever migrating)
[10:53] <DarkTrick> How would I test my i18n translated software without installing the translations?
[13:28] <doko> xnox, not sure if it's not a little early for that, just a month after the 12 release. but you can remove the tag as well ...
[13:32] <xnox> doko:  also not sure how much help it will be, given it only managed to build on two arches so far.
[15:19] <dbungert> May I get a test click?  I also have a PR out to address the failing test, this is just trying to get lvm2 unstuck.
[15:19] <dbungert> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=ppc64el&package=cloud-utils&trigger=lvm2/2.03.11-2.1ubuntu1
[15:32] <mitya57> dbungert: clicked
[15:33] <dbungert> mitya57: thanks!


[19:05] <scott-work> you may notice that there will be a bunch of cd-image build fail emails posting...sorry 'bout that taking so long
[19:05] <scott-work> but i also think (or hope) i fixed this for the future
[20:45] <micahg> yeah, I'll drop the indicator stuff when I get the meta uploaded (need to chat with cjwatson about that)
[22:23] <scott-work> micahg: did you mean to post that in this channel?
[22:23] <micahg> no
[22:23] <knome> :)
[22:25] <micahg> that's why the livefs is failing :)
[22:25]  * micahg disappears again
[22:28] <scott-work> hehe
[22:28] <knome> hey scott-work :)
[22:29] <scott-work> hi knome, how are you today
[22:29] <knome> very well!
[22:29] <knome> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu.html
[22:29] <knome> "oops"
[22:29] <knome> look at last week...
[22:29] <knome> still a few things bugging and giving me some FOSS-anxiety though
[22:38] <scott-work> looking good knome, we are nearly that good and i'll be forward, it's most likely due to len's efforts
[22:38] <scott-work> although i do expect to get things in gear for me and do some work as well
[22:38] <scott-work> but right now, i have to go home


[03:58] <guiverc> i can't say I like "point release days" - but all lower case follows our rules...
[04:00] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Looking ^ .
[04:00] <guiverc> nah ... that was just a comment.
[04:00] <guiverc> it follows our rules..  (use original author's case without change)
[04:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup .. agreed; best not tread on others toes :D
[04:04] <guiverc> I'd very much like to drop "as required" on "Kernel Logs with dmesg" on  (last in blogo)
[04:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Note to the changes in "Upcoming Meetings and Events" as pointed out by paulw2 :)
[04:05] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Will do that edit.
[04:05] <krytarik> Erm, I'd make an exemption on "point release delays", at least make it start out capitalized.
[04:05] <guiverc> I'm all for exemption   :)  (ready thru complete anyway)
[04:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: done "we are provided with links for more details." // point release delays will make that so too.
[04:11] <guiverc> I'd still suggest dropping "as required"  (who requires it?  us?  it's unclear as I read it)
[04:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Not saved the issue to this time :)
[04:13] <guiverc> okay..  when you posted I hit ^R & read... I'll TRY and be more patient
[04:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: OK - now saved .. see now if you like the better :D
[04:16] <guiverc> Thanks Bashing-om :)
[04:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ All in the page setters' job description :P
[04:18] <guiverc> :)   I'm so glad I deleted my job description page those many years ago...
[04:20] <Bashing-om> guiverc: You have a problem - I saved the copy you provided to me :(
[04:22] <guiverc> :|
[04:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Way back: "Bashing-om> guiverc: Are you in a teaching mode ?"
[04:25] <guiverc> sorry I don't follow Bashing-om .. or is this threat for my deleted page?  :|
[04:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Uh Huh in that respect of deletion - I do have a copy ! from that ^ discussion :D
[04:28] <guiverc> :) & possibly :(
[04:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: If required in your defense in any court of the law - I will pull it out :P
[04:37] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om :)
[05:05] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Google’s Bringing Its Apple AirDrop Rival to Linux, Windows, and Mac @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/google-s-bringing-its-apple-airdrop-rival-to-linux-windows-and-mac-530321.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)
[05:14] <Bashing-om> UWN: As all seems content with 636; logging out. Issue636 to bed :D
[13:01] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Design and Web team summary – 22nd June 2020 @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/design-and-web-team-summary-22nd-june-2020
[15:09] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: How to Enable Wobbly Windows Effect on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=185010 (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:16] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" no further edits are known - time to push 20:00 GMT.
[20:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next.
[20:04] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - no issues seen. Doing the re-directs next.
[20:15] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - pending now is release to the social medias.
[23:47] <guiverc> sorry Bashing-om, it hadn't occurred to me what dow it is...  push #636 to fridge?
[23:48] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - push - no known issues :D
[23:49] <guiverc> :)   will try not to make any then... :)
[23:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I like that plan :P
[23:51] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/06/22/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-636/
[23:52] <guiverc> tweeted
[23:53] <Bashing-om> Fridge: spot check: checks good :)
[23:54] <guiverc> :)    (but almost forgot to tag planet... noticed it on check thankfully)
[23:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Any reason not now to wipe Gdoc - all done with the old ?
[23:54] <guiverc> nope... wipe away all that evidence..
[23:55] <Bashing-om> guiverc: All that hard work and unanswered queries - left for posterity.
[23:57] <guiverc> well I saw what I think was a new approach to spam on fridge...  my response was the same - delete delete delete


[15:00] <bac> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is bac.
[15:00] <bac> hi, who is here today?
[15:00] <gmb> me
[15:00] <sinzui> me
[15:00] <bac> for the launchpad reviewers meeting
[15:01] <danilos> me
[15:01] <gary_poster> me
[15:01] <abentley> me
[15:01] <gary_poster> (mars will probably be absent)
[15:01] <bac> bigjools ping
[15:02] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: ping
[15:02] <BjornT> me
[15:02] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:02] <bigjools> \o
[15:02] <leonardr> me
[15:02] <adeuring> me
[15:02] <noodles775> me
[15:03] <bac> team leads would you ping your absent folks
[15:03] <deryck> me
[15:03] <gary_poster> (foundations is as here as we're going to get)
[15:03] <bac> gary_poster: thanks
[15:03] <henninge> me
[15:03] <gary_poster> np
[15:03] <bac> hi intellectronica, jelmer
[15:04] <henninge> hi bac ;)
[15:04] <jelmer> hi Brad
[15:04] <bac> ok, let's get started and hopefully some stragglers will appear
[15:04] <bac> [topic] agenda
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:04] <bac> * Roll call
[15:04] <bac>  * Agenda
[15:04] <bac>  * Outstanding actions
[15:04] <bac>  * Mentoring update
[15:04] <bac>  * New topics
[15:04] <bac>    * ec2 failures update - bac
[15:04] <bac>    * Reviewer move to Friday? - bac
[15:04] <bac>  * Peanut gallery
[15:05] <bac> [topic] outstanding actions
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  outstanding actions
[15:05] <bac> there are only two outstanding actions...both assigned to me.
[15:05] <bac> but i'm batting .500
[15:05] <bac>  * bac to write community reviewer and contributor policy and announce it on the list. -- done
[15:06] <bac> i got that out, as promised, before leaving for UDS.
[15:06] <bac> but remain stalled on:
[15:06] <bac> * bac to define new doctest policy regarding what is "testable documentation".
[15:06] <bac> i'll try to get to that next week
[15:06] <bac> [topic]   * ec2 failures update - bac
[15:06] <MootBot> New Topic:    * ec2 failures update - bac
[15:07] <bac> actually, i was hoping to have mars give us an update but he's not here today
[15:07] <gary_poster> I can summarize maybe
[15:07] <bac> sinzui reported in our standup that work has been done but it is still very much a problem
[15:07] <bac> yes, gary_poster?
[15:08] <gary_poster> mars has been investigating the problems on ec2 test.  As a workaround, he has disabled the Windmill tests on ec2.  This is obviously very suboptimal, but considered to be less sub-optimal than ec2 break one out of four times, which I gather is the rough stat.
[15:08] <gary_poster> He will continue to try to figure out and address the underlying cauase so he can reinstate the windmill tests in ec2
[15:09]  * bac saw about 60% failure last time he tried
[15:09] <gary_poster> note that windmill tests still run in buildbot
[15:09] <gary_poster> so this is a testfix risk
[15:09] <gary_poster> hopefully I didn't get anything wrong; that's what I understand.  done.
[15:10] <bac> gary_poster: when tests hang, and the script kills itself after timing out, does it send a farewell email?  i think that would be a useful addition if not.
[15:10] <gary_poster> bac, that is on mars' backlog, and in fact will be one of the next things he does to address, yes.
[15:11] <bac> ok, great
[15:11] <bac> gary_poster: when were the windmill tests disabled?
[15:12] <gary_poster> bac, IIRC, Monday, with issues; issues were resolved yesterday
[15:12] <bac> sinzui: did you see your tests disappear after that or before?
[15:12] <sinzui> One disappeared yesterday afternoon
[15:13] <gary_poster> sinzui, bac, we'll need to bring this up to mars.  Would you like me to take that action ite,?
[15:13] <gary_poster> item
[15:13] <bac> we should all keep an eye on our ec2 tests and report to mars instances of them disappearing.
[15:13] <gary_poster> +1
[15:13] <bac> gary_poster: that would be great.
[15:13] <gary_poster> ok
[15:13] <bac> [action] gary to follow up with mars on ec2 problems.
[15:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  gary to follow up with mars on ec2 problems.
[15:14] <sinzui> gary_poster, I think my branch was within a few hours of the mailmanlayer shutoff. the issue may be fixed
[15:14] <gary_poster> sinzui: ack wll pass along, thanks
[15:14] <bac> [topic] * Reviewer move to Friday? - bac
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Reviewer move to Friday? - bac
[15:14] <bac> our pool of reviewers has been pretty hard hit lately with personel changes
[15:14] <bac> https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewerSchedule
[15:15] <bac> right now, on fridays we only have adeuring working
[15:15] <bac> would gmb or henninge entertain the idea of moving to friday?
[15:16] <gmb> bac, I believe adeuring is a Friday reviewer; I wonder if it's the best thing for hte bugs team to lose two devs on the same day... Not sure it matters though.
[15:16] <adeuring> not that I would mind sharing reviews with gmb or henninge, but I think if we have somebody in a US timezone would be better
[15:16] <bac> adeuring: yes it would be better
[15:16] <bac> adeuring: but of the active reviewers in the americas we're spread pretty thin
[15:17] <adeuring> right
[15:17] <gmb> bac, I'm happy to do it if deryck's okay with the change.
[15:17] <bac> i could move to friday but that leaves an americas hole on tuesday
[15:17] <henninge> I don't mind moving to Fridays
[15:17] <deryck> I don't know if I want gmb and adeuring sidelined fridays
[15:17] <bac> deryck: ok.  henninge do you mind moving again?
[15:18] <henninge> bac: no problem at all
[15:18] <henninge> but, as was said, the problem is America
[15:18]  * henninge wonders if he should move west ...
[15:18] <bac> henninge: let's not bring politics into the meeting
[15:18] <henninge> lol
[15:19] <henninge> But I was talking about the whole continent anyway ...
[15:19] <bac> henninge: why don't you try friday and if seems we have a problem i'll then switch
[15:19] <henninge> It's in the way of any girl that wants to sail around the world...
[15:19] <bac> [action] henninge to move to friday review EU review slot
[15:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  henninge to move to friday review EU review slot
[15:19] <intellectronica> bac: on the same subject, note that there's a slot freein on monday EU. when i'm gone there will be no reviewer until abentley gets workin, and judging by the last few mondays there's a lot of activity around that time.
[15:20] <bac> intellectronica: i know.  i was hoping you'd change your mind before then.  :)
[15:20] <henninge> intellectronica: where are you going, what did I miss?
[15:20] <bac> intellectronica: you can always help out on mondays as a community reviewer!
[15:20] <intellectronica> wow, i managed to omit all those Gs. i'm not lolcat speaking, it was as accident
[15:20] <intellectronica> :)
[15:21] <bac> intellectronica: what is the date for you leaving?
[15:21] <intellectronica> henninge: i'm leaving launchpad at the end of next week.
[15:22] <henninge> intellectronica: oh, too bad :(
[15:22] <henninge> ;)
[15:22] <bac> in light of that, perhaps it would make more sense for henninge to move to eu-monday and i move to friday
[15:22] <intellectronica> henninge: what can i do, all those monday review shifts finally got to me
[15:22] <henninge> :)
[15:23] <bac> henninge: let's talk about it off-line.
[15:23] <henninge> bac: ok
[15:23] <bac> [topic] peanut gallery
[15:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  peanut gallery
[15:23] <bac> any new topics?
[15:23] <sinzui> orphaned commits
[15:24] <sinzui> This is the what we have so far: https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/QATeam/OrphanedCommits/10.05-devel
[15:25] <sinzui> Ursinha, noted that this class of landing was not tracked with bug tags last release
[15:25] <bac> hard to have a bug tag with no bug.
[15:25] <gary_poster> FWIW, If we talk about this here, I'd be +1 on this simply leading to someone taking an action item to raise this on the mailing list
[15:26] <sinzui> In the examples I saw related to the registry team they were contributor branches that were not linked to bugs
[15:26]  * mars is guilty of submitting build system cleanups without bugs.
[15:26] <sinzui> Do we want contributor work to always have a link to a bug/spec
[15:27] <bac> i think reviewers should be on the look out for any MP that isn't linked to a bug.  not saying it isn't sometimes appropriate but it should raise a flag.
[15:27] <intellectronica> sinzui: with contributor work it's even more important, because you want to help contributors plan and track the work before they start
[15:27] <bac> intellectronica: agreed.  so sinzui's suggestion is a good one, IMO.
[15:28] <sinzui> Or in my case, remove part of the branch a week later because the feature is causing errors
[15:28] <bac> but only 2 of the 10.05 orphans are from community
[15:29] <sinzui> yes, there is another issue, but in the lp engineer case, flacoste assumes these are on the kanban board
[15:30] <bac> sinzui: well, that does help.  but if we're going to track qa with bug tags then it would make sense to *require* a bug or we lose all QA testing...unless we employ a separate tracking mechanism.
[15:31] <BjornT> bac: if all we want is to track qa, filing a bug automatically sounds like a good idea
[15:31] <bac> BjornT: at what point?
[15:33]  * gary_poster idly thinks of a flag for branches that says "addresses" rather than "fixes"
[15:33] <sinzui> The tags are hard to visualise at the moment since the page is missing: http://people.canonical.com/~lpqateam/test-plan-report-10.05.html
[15:33] <BjornT> bac: the script that scans commits and add qa tags probably
[15:33] <gary_poster> where addresses means that it is an incremental step towards a bug
[15:33] <gary_poster> but does not actually resolve a bug
[15:34]  * gary_poster suspects this is a can of worms
[15:34] <henninge> BjornT: so it should create a bug if none is linked to the commit?
[15:35] <BjornT> henninge: if all we want is to track QA, yes, why not?
[15:35] <mars> gary_poster, that's why I'm not going to touch it :)
[15:35] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:35] <bac> sinzui: would you take an item to talk to QA and then make a proposal on the list, taking into account BjornT's suggestion?
[15:35] <henninge> BjornT: sounds like a good idea. Let's see if Ursinha likes it, too.
[15:35] <sinzui> yes
[15:36] <bac> thanks curtis
[15:36] <bac> [action] sinzui to talk to QA about our QA tracking problem and create a proposal on the mailing list
[15:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sinzui to talk to QA about our QA tracking problem and create a proposal on the mailing list
[15:36] <bac> any other topic?
[15:36] <bac> 3
[15:36] <bac> 2
[15:37] <bac> 1
[15:37] <bac> thanks for coming everyone.
[15:37] <bac> #endmeeting
[15:37] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:37.
[15:37] <mars> thanks bac
[15:37] <henninge> so, intellectronica, which team won you over and how? ;-)
[15:38] <intellectronica> henninge: the summer won me over. in a couple of weeks i'll be out of employment and ready to rock'n'roll :D
[15:39] <henninge> intellectronica: oh, because you said "leaving launchpad", I thought it was within the company.
[15:40] <henninge> intellectronica: so you have nothing new lined up yet?
[15:40] <intellectronica> henninge: nothing at all (other than some fun-related plans)
[15:41] <henninge> intellectronica: well, have fun, then! ;-D
[15:41] <intellectronica> henninge: thanks!
[16:12]  * Ursinha reads the backlog
 bac: if all we want is to track qa, filing a bug automatically sounds like a good idea
[16:12] <Ursinha> we dropped out that idea because some of the commits aren't really bugs
[16:13] <Ursinha> henninge, ^
[16:13] <henninge> BjornT: ^ ;)
[16:13] <henninge> Ursinha: I think that is the  point.
[16:13] <henninge> Ursinha: To track even those commits that aren't really bugs.
[16:14] <Ursinha> henninge, that's how the script would initially work, but I dropped the idea after chatting with francis
[16:14] <Ursinha> henninge, and why would we need that?
[16:14] <henninge> Ursinha: we were talking about orphaned commits.
[16:16] <Ursinha> henninge, I see now... but the point is that the orphaned commits aren't all the commits the don't mention bugs, but only those which should and don't
[16:16] <Ursinha> s/the don't/that dont/
[16:19] <Ursinha> henninge, I guess that not a lot of those supposedly orphaned commits are really orphaned, maybe we could fix that by adding the bug tag to the commit message?
[16:19] <Ursinha> henninge, making that a pqm requirement, maybe
[16:21] <henninge> Ursinha: I am not sure they have bugs. It did not sound like that.
[16:22] <Ursinha> henninge, and they should?
[16:22]  * henninge has little own experience, he always files bugs...
[16:22] <Ursinha> henninge, that's why I love you :P
[16:23]  * henninge blushes
[16:23] <henninge> Ursinha: well, jtv trained me that way ...
[16:23] <Ursinha> henninge, I love him too :)
[16:24] <henninge> Ursinha: The question was "Should all commits have a bug so they are qa'ble".
[16:24] <Ursinha> henninge, my personal opinion is no
[16:24] <henninge> I was not aware of the definition for orphaned commits that you just gave.
[16:24] <henninge> "should have bug bug don't"
[16:25] <Ursinha> henninge, the idea of having a bug attached to a commit is to track the qa you have to do on it
[16:25] <henninge> Ursinha: you are the authority on QA here, so if that is your opinion, we are fine, I guess ... ;)
[16:25] <henninge> on the bug, you mean
[16:25] <Ursinha> of course having a bug for real fixes is needed to track problems and future reference
[16:25] <Ursinha> but now we really need to care about fixes that need qa, those need bugs
[16:26] <henninge> so the rule should be "If the fix will need qa, attach a bug. If it doesn't a bug is optional?"
[16:27] <henninge> Ursinha: don't all fixes need QA?
[16:28] <Ursinha> henninge, I thought so, but it turns out some are just adjustments that not necessarily can be qaed
[16:28] <henninge> Ursinha: I'll put that on the agenda for next week's meeting.
[16:29] <Ursinha> henninge, well, speaking roughly in practical qa terms, yes, but I'd like to have bugs to all problems we have, even the ones that result in commits we can't test
[16:29] <Ursinha> but that's my wish :)
[16:30] <Ursinha> or the ones that don't even need commits to lp tree to be fixed :)
[22:33] <bac> thumper, rockstar: up for a reviewers meeting?
[22:33] <rockstar> bac, havin' our standup right now.
[22:33] <thumper> I might have to skip it this week
[22:33] <bac> rockstar: why do you schedule the standup during our meeting time?  :)
[22:34] <bac> thumper: ok.  not much said but talk about broken ec2  and rearranging of OCR schedules due to all the people moving around.
[22:34] <bac> next week...


[00:14] <androidbruce|lap> i LOVE ubuntuone!
[00:14] <androidbruce|lap> esp the new music purchasing from 7Digital
[00:15] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: \o/ :)
[00:15] <androidbruce|lap> albums are cheaper, and synced across my other machines
[00:15] <androidbruce|lap> wish there was a way to sync songs to my Android device
[00:16] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: there will be streaming to Android devices probably soon
[00:16] <androidbruce|lap> mkarnicki, that will be total WIN
[00:16] <androidbruce|lap> ubuntuone>iTunes
[00:16] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: I'll also implement file sync in AndroidU1 soon
[00:16] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: :)
[00:16] <androidbruce|lap> mkarnicki, whoa you work with ubuntuone?
[00:17] <androidbruce|lap> kudos man! i need to donate
[00:17] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: I have a 3rd party project, open source
[00:17] <androidbruce|lap> if you need any android help at all just ask
[00:17] <androidbruce|lap> im a bit of an android feen
[00:17] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: haha thanks, just wait for it to be more mature! I have been kindly donated by Google ;)
[00:18] <androidbruce|lap> ha using adsense
[00:18] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: cool! have a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1 (wiki doesn't work from some Androids <2.1 tough)
[00:18] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: nope, no ad sense
[00:18] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: Google Summer of Code
[00:18] <androidbruce|lap> mkarnicki, you have an android device with 2.1?
[00:18] <androidbruce|lap> which one?
[00:18] <androidbruce|lap> whoa less than 2.1
[00:18] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: HTC Hero 2.1-update1
[00:18] <androidbruce|lap> tmobile?
[00:18] <mkarnicki> nope, Play (Poland)
[00:18] <androidbruce|lap> we need to get the G2 when it drops
[00:19] <androidbruce|lap> oh man europe
[00:19] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: I can't access ubuntu wiki from it, though :<
[00:19] <mkarnicki> yup :)
[00:19] <androidbruce|lap> mkarnicki, you tried other browsers?
[00:20] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: not really sure..
[00:20] <mkarnicki> lemme check
[00:20] <mkarnicki> i've got  xscope handy
[00:20] <androidbruce|lap> ok cool
[00:20] <mkarnicki> anyway, there's a QR code to scan from the wiki, so you could use a PC +phone for that :D
[00:21] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: xScope says: wiki.ubuntu.com/ Web page not available heh...
[00:22] <mkarnicki> while it is up and running.
[00:22] <androidbruce|lap> have you looked into getting cyanogenmod on yourphone?
[00:22] <androidbruce|lap> cm6 is 2.2 Froyo
[00:22] <androidbruce|lap> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_HTC_Hero_(GSM)
[00:22] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: the default browser says 'Security warning - There are problems with the securyt cert. for this site - This cert is not from a trusted authority'
[00:23] <mkarnicki> one guy found out that certificates are served in wrong order, and Android complains..
[00:23] <mkarnicki> uu thanks :)
[00:23] <androidbruce|lap> np man, you need to get on froyo man
[00:24] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: that'd be lovely.. but I heard HTC HEro wouldn't get Froyo, as it's specs are not up to it
[00:24] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: you think I should root my phone? (i didn't do that yet :D I need a working phone lol!)
[00:25] <androidbruce|lap> root has nothing to do with stability
[00:25] <androidbruce|lap> roms have to do with stability
[00:25] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: I just don't want to break it ;)
[00:25] <androidbruce|lap> and with a recovery you can make a backup of your current setup
[00:25] <androidbruce|lap> backup=image
[00:25] <androidbruce|lap> and you can restore that image
[00:25] <androidbruce|lap> on demand
[00:25] <androidbruce|lap> so you can always default to your standard setup if need be
[00:25] <androidbruce|lap> for stability sake
[00:26] <androidbruce|lap> if you're a linux developer you can handle android root/recovery/rom
[00:26] <mkarnicki> oh, that'd be good, yeah
[00:26] <mkarnicki> yup, I do develop on linux :)
[00:26] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: I'll find the rom in that guide?
[00:26] <androidbruce|lap> you know how to use a unix shell?
[00:26] <mkarnicki> hell yea! :D
[00:26] <androidbruce|lap> then you're golden
[00:26] <androidbruce|lap> read up on that wiki
[00:26] <mkarnicki> :>
[00:26] <mkarnicki> thanks :) I might try that this weekend
[00:27]  * mkarnicki bookmarks it
[00:27] <androidbruce|lap> awesome
[00:27] <androidbruce|lap> <3's Android
[00:27] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: you're an awefully positive guy, I haven't seen you around before :)
[00:28] <androidbruce|lap> i just tried this channel because i didn't think i cold discuss ubuntuone in #ubuntu
[00:28] <androidbruce|lap> so i just took a shot in the dark
[00:28] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: if you want to access your U1 files from your phone, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndroidU1 - it's still rough around the edges, but I'm back on it
[00:28] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: good one :)
[00:28] <androidbruce|lap> so it will access all synced files
[00:29] <androidbruce|lap> i love QR codes
[00:30] <androidbruce|lap> installed and now im signing into my ubuntuone
[00:31] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: please note - this app is download + upload - it's waiting for me to implement sync
[00:31] <androidbruce|lap> gotcha
[00:31] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: it's missing sharing + UDFs (my bad! will add that too)
[00:31] <androidbruce|lap> so you're building android applications? how sick is that
[00:31] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: awefully awesome sick :D
[00:32] <androidbruce|lap> java?
[00:32] <androidbruce|lap> is that your language of choice?
[00:33] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: no, actually I'm a nerdish c++ algorithimic passionate coder
[00:33] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: but on Android - you develop in Java :)
[00:33] <mkarnicki> Java's not bad. it's kinda clean and comfy (sometimes, too comfy!)
[00:33] <mkarnicki> it makes me lazy
[00:33] <androidbruce|lap> yeah gotcha
[00:33] <androidbruce|lap> awesome to meet someone in Europe that loves android and ubuntu :-D
[00:34] <androidbruce|lap> I'm Bruce, nice to meet you
[00:34] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: totally man! I'm Mike, nice to meet you Bruce
[00:34] <androidbruce|lap> if you use twitter im @androidbruce
[00:34] <mkarnicki> Bruce, how awesome is that! like Wayne, the batman!
[00:34] <mkarnicki> androidbruce|lap: awesome, @mkarnicki
[00:35] <androidbruce|lap> ha yeah, batman is my fav comic book character
[00:35] <mkarnicki> awesome, finally new twitter avalible for me ;d
[00:35] <androidbruce|lap> ha yeah me to today
[00:35] <androidbruce|lap> although i never use the web
[00:36] <androidbruce|lap> hmm this app doesn't seem to see my informationm
[00:36] <mkarnicki> you never use the web :D?
[00:36] <androidbruce|lap> ahh wait there it is
[00:36] <mkarnicki> oops
[00:36] <androidbruce|lap> i never use the web version of twitter
[00:36] <mkarnicki> :)
[00:36] <mkarnicki> a right!
[00:36] <mkarnicki> I use it rarely
[00:36] <mkarnicki> maybe we should go priv, making a bit of traffic in the main channel :D
[00:36] <androidbruce|lap> so it says No Items right now, how do i see a list of my ubuntuone files?
[02:32] <duanedesign> hello mkarnicki
[02:33] <mkarnicki> hi duanedesign !
[02:33] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: good to see(read) you :P
[02:34] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: when's the UDS ?
[02:34] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: you too ^_^ I've been somewhat away
[02:34] <mkarnicki> settling my stuff in Warsaw before academic year, meeting people
[02:36] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: UDS is 24-29 Oct
[02:36] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: ah :3
[02:36] <mkarnicki> o oh.. it's kinda late :D almost 4AM
[02:37] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: catch you later! gotta get some sleep, got a meeting tomorrow with the lead of algorithmic interest group tomorrow
[02:37] <duanedesign> ok nite
[02:39] <mkarnicki> nite!
[09:02] <rye> Hi
[09:51] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:29] <duanedesign> rye: hello and good morning
[12:04] <rye> duanedesign, hi
[12:05] <rye> duanedesign, sneak peek into something: bzr branch lp:~rye/+junk/ubuntuone-fuse
[12:06] <rye> duanedesign, cd ubuntuone-fuse; python -i ubuntuone-storage-client.py
[12:06] <rye> duanedesign, and then, when prompt appears do the following: node = storage['~/Ubuntu One']
[12:07] <rye> duanedesign, and then: for item in node.children:\n\tprint item.name
[12:09] <duanedesign> hello rye. Been trying to reproduce an issue a user had all morning :P
[12:09] <rye> duanedesign, what user and what issue?
[12:13] <duanedesign> post #1 in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1579656
[12:14] <duanedesign> rye: i have never tried to sync a folder that existed on both computers with different content
[12:14] <rye> duanedesign, hm, should be merging
[12:15] <rye> duanedesign, hmmmm
[12:18] <rye> duanedesign, i wonder why the Documents folder did not become synced on the laptop when the desktop started to sync
[12:22] <duanedesign> rye: when adding the laptop to the account. It syncs all UDFs. What happens if that folder exists already on the laptop? It merges the folders?
[13:13] <duanedesign> rye: hmm. I am getting a JSON Decode Error running ubuntonr-storage-client.py
[13:14] <rye> duanedesign, huh?
[13:16] <duanedesign> http://paste.rtg.in.ua/4c3488072913eea33caee46b75fb51c3/
[13:16] <rye> duanedesign, aha, i see tht
[13:16] <rye> duanedesign, okay, will need to dig further
[13:16] <duanedesign> no prob
[14:52]  * duanedesign having problems signing in to one.ubuntu.com
[14:53] <androidbruce> duanedesign, yea
[14:56] <duanedesign> okies, it is not just me :)
[14:57] <rye> hm?
[14:58] <androidbruce> it's loading now
[14:58] <rye> duanedesign, login.ubuntu.com ?
[15:01] <rye> duanedesign, androidbruce, ISD: "rye: we're seeing a couple of (bad) hiccups in the service atm"
[15:01] <rye> hm, what does ISD mean...
[16:00] <rye> Chipaca, i know how to make ubuntuone-launch work, testing once more and proposing branch.
[16:02] <Chipaca> rye: awesome
[17:21] <Aureusz> Hi ! :) I was wondering if a project targeted at creating an open source version of the U1 server has started somewhere ? I have seen some ressources after Karmic release detailing which part was closed source and which part is open in the server "stack" but It doesn't seem that a project was started.
[17:27] <duanedesign> hello Aureusz. I am not aware of any project like that.
[17:28] <duanedesign> rye: this log looks like the syncdaemon is stuck trying to hash a file. What could I suggest to workaround this issue. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/55917469/syncdaemon.log
[18:09] <rye> duanedesign, except of checking the permissions on the file 'Ubuntu One/Java/examples/ch06/fig06_09_10/.CrapsTest.java~.XuCZs6', checking whether /tmp has enough space... and 3 - find what's the contents of the file and remove it :)
[18:12] <duanedesign> rye: ahhh, thank you. the only thing i was thinking was maybe permissions
[21:01] <beuno> so, who has an android device and wants to test music streaming?
[21:02] <androidbruce|lap> beuno, oooooo ME!
[21:02] <beuno> androidbruce|lap, what;s your email address?
[21:03] <androidbruce|lap><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:04] <beuno> you will get an email, ignore it  :)
[21:04] <beuno> hm
[21:05] <beuno> can't find you
[21:05] <beuno> you do have an ubuntu oen account ,right?
[21:05] <androidbruce|lap> ohh
[21:05] <androidbruce|lap> you want my email fo rubuntone
[21:05] <androidbruce|lap> for**
[21:05] <androidbruce|lap> pm plz
[21:06] <beuno> sure
[21:08] <beuno> ugh
[21:08] <beuno> fail


[12:16] <gnomefreak> what is xrayswarm?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> apt-cache show doesnt have it
[12:17] <gnomefreak> it keeps crashing
[01:36] <joejaxx> Toadstool: are you around?
[01:50] <joejaxx> imbrandon: are you there?
[02:29] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: ! :)))
[02:29] <joejaxx> :) *
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hey joejaxx
[02:30] <joejaxx> hello
[02:30] <joejaxx> do you know about the update script in the ubuntu-meta package?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> no
[02:30] <joejaxx> oh ok
[02:30] <Hobbsee> i run kubuntu, not ubuntu
[02:30] <joejaxx> ok
[02:33] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: well do you know about seeds then?
[02:33] <joejaxx> the seed lists that is
[02:39] <joejaxx> is anyone around?
[02:41] <crimsun> it's the weekend; I wouldn't expect people to be particularly active, either.
[02:41] <joejaxx> oh ok
[02:41] <joejaxx> crimsun: well do you know about the seed lists?
[02:42] <crimsun> beyond what's in the packaging infrastructure? no.
[02:42] <crimsun> try to catch ogra or janimo later in the week
[02:43] <joejaxx> crimsun: well i just wanted to know why some packages are in parenthesis
[02:43] <joejaxx> because when i run the update script in the ubuntu-meta
[02:43] <joejaxx> those come up as Unknown desktop packages
[02:44] <joejaxx> like (bluez-utils)
[02:45] <lophyte> hey all
[02:47] <joejaxx> hello lophyte :)
[02:47] <lophyte> heya :)
[02:47] <lophyte> argh.. I was trying to install dapper on an old imac i was given.. but its frozen at 48%
[02:48] <lophyte> ...or not
[02:48] <lophyte> nevermind, lol
[02:49] <joejaxx> lol
[02:52] <lophyte> i've never played with a mac before
[02:52] <joejaxx> :)
[02:53] <lophyte> it was running OS 9.. so I said nevermind that and now I'm working on installing ubuntu, hehe
[02:54] <joejaxx> i have two g3's running dapper
[03:04] <joejaxx> lophyte: what are you up too
[03:05] <joejaxx> i think crimsun you and i are the only ones in here
[03:07] <lophyte> I just got ubuntu installed..
[03:07] <lophyte> except it appears that it didn't install X or gnome
[03:07] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:08] <joejaxx> hey it is ajmitch
[03:08] <joejaxx> lophyte: why whould it not install those?
[03:09] <lophyte> I don't know..
[03:09] <joejaxx> :\
[03:09] <ajmitch> because you installed from a server cd?
[03:09] <lophyte> but when it booted, I'm at the command line
[03:09] <joejaxx> ajmitch: do you know about the seed list?
[03:09] <joejaxx> lophyte: interesting
[03:09] <ajmitch> joejaxx: somewhat
[03:09] <joejaxx> ajmitch: well i am building the fluxbuntu-* meta packages
[03:09] <lophyte> and there's no sign of <x
[03:09] <lophyte> X
[03:09] <joejaxx> ajmitch: and i am making the fluxbuntu-meta one right now
[03:09] <lophyte> no, I used the alternate cd
[03:10] <ajmitch> lophyte: did you do a server install from the alternate cd?
[03:10] <lophyte> I don't think so
[03:10] <lophyte> but meh
[03:10] <joejaxx> ajmitch: the problem is the ubuntu-meta packaage grabs the depends for the ubuntu-* packages from the seeds list
[03:10] <lophyte> I'll just install ubuntu-desktop
[03:10] <ajmitch> joejaxx: yes
[03:10] <joejaxx> ajmitch: so i made my own seeds
[03:10] <lophyte> except it won't eject the cd drive
[03:10] <ajmitch> did you copy the existing seeds & modify them?
[03:11] <joejaxx> ajmitch: but since i have not made the fluxbuntu-* packages it comes up with things like this
[03:11] <joejaxx> ? Unknown desktop package: fluxbuntu-desktop
[03:11] <joejaxx> ajmitch: yes i did here http://seeds.fluxbuntu.net/edgy/
[03:12] <ajmitch> so if it's complaining about them, shouldn't you make those packages?
[03:12] <joejaxx> ajmitch: the fluxbuntu-meta packages makes then when i compile it
[03:12] <joejaxx> ajmitch: but inorder for those packages to build right with the dependencies it goes out to the seeds list to get them
[03:13] <lophyte> k, installing ubuntu-desktop
[03:13] <ajmitch> joejaxx: then try & remove it from the seeds list
[03:13] <joejaxx> ajmitch: http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=168
[03:13] <joejaxx> ajmitch: ok
[03:13] <joejaxx> oh alright
[03:14] <joejaxx> ajmitch: one other question i had is it is not recognizing packages that are on the real seeds like ? Unknown desktop package: (bluez-utils)
[03:16] <Toadstool> re
[03:16] <joejaxx> Toadstool: !!
[03:16] <joejaxx> :) :D
[03:16] <Toadstool> uhuh
[03:17] <joejaxx> Toadstool: http://seeds.fluxbuntu.net/edgy/
[03:17] <Toadstool> grat!
[03:17] <Toadstool> great even
[03:17] <joejaxx> Toadstool: one problem
[03:17] <joejaxx> or two
[03:18] <Toadstool> ah :)
[03:18] <joejaxx> ? Unknown standard package: fluxbuntu-standard
[03:18] <joejaxx> ? Unknown desktop package: hotkey-setup
[03:18] <joejaxx> hotkey-setup is even in the original seedlist
[03:20] <Toadstool> hmm, I have no idea of what those errors mean
[03:20] <Toadstool> take a look at the source code of germinate :)
[03:21] <joejaxx> ok
[03:22] <joejaxx> :\
[03:23] <Toadstool> huhu, I hate qwerty keyboards :p
[03:23] <joejaxx> lol
[03:23] <joejaxx> :P
[03:31] <joejaxx> Toadstool: do you atleast know why some packages on the seed lists are in parenthesis?
[03:32] <ajmitch> they're recommends, not depends
[03:33] <joejaxx> so i can take them out of the parenthesis?
[03:33] <joejaxx> because the update script is stopping on most of them
[03:33] <ajmitch> you may do what you want with them
[03:33] <ajmitch> are you using edgy tools to work on these?
[03:34] <joejaxx> i am on edgy
[03:36] <joejaxx> that is why i am wondering why the update script cannot find these packages that are in the reops
[03:36] <joejaxx> repos
[03:36] <lophyte> this thing is sllooow..
[03:36] <lophyte> 233MHz G3
[03:36] <ajmitch> lophyte: hah
[03:37] <ajmitch> not as slow as running windows vista in vmware
[03:37] <lophyte> hahaha
[03:37] <lophyte> not quite
[03:37] <joejaxx> hahaa
[03:37] <ajmitch> maybe vista needs more RAM.. :)
[03:41] <joejaxx> oh wow
[03:42] <joejaxx> i feel like any idiot
[03:42] <joejaxx> :\
[03:42] <joejaxx> ajmitch: some reason
[03:43] <joejaxx> Amaranth: when i do sudo apt-get source ubuntu-meta on edgy
[03:43] <joejaxx> it gets it from Need to get 19.3kB of source archives.
[03:43] <joejaxx> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main ubuntu-meta 0.120 (dsc) [558B]
[03:43] <joejaxx> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main ubuntu-meta 0.120 (tar) [18.8kB]
[03:43] <joejaxx> ajmitch: *
[03:43] <Toadstool> why sudo?! no need to be root to grab sources
[03:44] <ajmitch> so you have the wrong deb-src lines in there
[03:44] <joejaxx> no wonder it does not work
[03:45] <joejaxx> it says dapper everywhere
[03:45] <joejaxx> why is this?
[03:45] <joejaxx> i installed this from a edgy beta disk
[03:48] <joejaxx> it says edgy in some places in the source list
[03:49] <joejaxx> and dapper in others
[03:49] <joejaxx> bbl i have to fix this
[03:54] <joejaxx> well time to reinstall edgy
[03:54] <joejaxx> bbl
[04:15] <theCore> anyone knows what happened with Firefox spell-checking?
[04:21] <theCore> nevermind, I think I found the problem
[04:29] <bddebian> Damnit, I'm having a brainfart, how do I get DEB_HOST_ARCH_OS, etc?
[04:30] <theCore> I found it out, sorry the noise
[04:30] <crimsun> bddebian: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_OS
[04:31] <crimsun> $(shell ...) if you need it from debian/rules
[04:31] <bddebian> dpkg-architecture.. damnit, I kept trying dpkg --print-architecture..
[04:31] <bddebian> crimsun: thanks
[06:11] <LaserJock> must be Saturday night
[06:15] <bddebian> Well I guess it's technically Sunday morning here now :)
[06:17] <LaserJock> oh
[06:17] <LaserJock> I've got a few more hours
[06:19] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i am running the update script
[06:19] <joejaxx> from the seeds
[06:21] <theCore> yeah, Sunday morning started 20 min ago :)
[06:21] <joejaxx> yeah
[06:21] <theCore> I'm up for some late hacking
[06:22] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:22] <LaserJock> only 9:22 pm  here
[06:22] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :)
[06:22] <theCore> I'm trying to do a web interface for importing code and unit test it
[06:22] <joejaxx> nice
[06:23] <theCore> I can't figure out how to make it secure enough :/
[06:23] <LaserJock> what does a unit test mean?
[06:24] <theCore> check if the program output is the expected one
[06:24] <bddebian> Gnight gents
[06:24] <joejaxx> Goodnight bddebian
[06:26] <TheMuso> It is well into Sunday afternoon here.
[06:26] <theCore> chroot, minimal language implementation, checking cpu/mem usage, what do I forget? ...
[06:26] <LaserJock> TheMuso: oh yeah, it still trips me up that you guys are *ahead*
[06:27] <TheMuso> hehe
[06:27] <LaserJock> theCore: so you give it something to chew on and compare it to an expected result?
[06:27] <theCore> TheMuso, pacific/Hawaii ?
[06:27] <theCore> LaserJock, yep
[06:28] <TheMuso> theCore: Sydney, Australia.
[06:28] <theCore> TheMuso, that's nice
[06:28] <theCore> TheMuso, I would like to go to Australia someday
[06:29] <LaserJock> except all the snakes and spiders and sharks
[06:29] <LaserJock> I watch to many nature show to feel comfortable with going to Australia ;-)
[06:29] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Its not that bad.
[06:30] <LaserJock> maybe NZ is better ;-)
[06:31] <theCore> I think I will build up a minimal distro for this project
[06:32] <theCore> with a dpkg/bzr/busybox/+{perl,python,ruby} tool set
[06:33] <theCore> it would certainly ease the maintenance
[06:36] <theCore> maybe I'm just doing too much for #ubuntu-trivia (my weekly quiz channel)
[06:37] <theCore> anyway, it's quite fun, and have nothing else to do
[06:37] <LaserJock> *cough* Packaging Guide *cough*
[06:37] <theCore> hehe
[06:37] <theCore> after
[06:37] <theCore> I'm taking notes, right now
[06:39] <theCore> LaserJock, talking about the PG, did saw the diff I sent?
[06:41] <LaserJock> theCore: where did you send it?
[06:41] <theCore> LaserJock, on the ML
[06:41] <joejaxx> LaserJock: the seeds are working! :)
[06:42] <LaserJock> joejaxx: \o/
[06:43] <joejaxx> LaserJock: no problems whatsoever
[06:43] <theCore> LaserJock, the subject line is: "[Patch]  Packaging with Debhelper"
[06:44] <LaserJock> theCore: oh yes
[06:44] <LaserJock> I was sort of waiting for the edgy branch to be created
[06:44] <LaserJock> which happened today
[06:44] <theCore> yeah
[06:44] <theCore> I saw mdke email
[06:46] <theCore> it's not a big diff, but it fixes minor things
[06:46] <theCore> some minor*
[06:50] <joejaxx> LaserJock: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${fluxbuntu-minimal:Depends}
[06:51] <LaserJock> joejaxx: did you look at debian/rules ?
[06:51] <joejaxx> yes
[06:51] <LaserJock> I'm guessing the problem is there
[06:52] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=169
[06:54] <joejaxx> ohh
[06:54] <joejaxx> i think i know what the problem is
[06:59] <LaserJock> yeah?
[06:59] <joejaxx> nope
[06:59] <joejaxx> it still does it
[07:00] <joejaxx> LaserJock: do you have an ideas on that?
[07:01] <LaserJock> do you actually have minimal seeds?
[07:01] <joejaxx> yes
[07:01] <joejaxx> LaserJock: http://seeds.fluxbuntu.net/edgy
[07:02] <joejaxx> those are the seeds
[07:03] <joejaxx> which germinate fine through ./update
[07:05] <joejaxx> LaserJock: and the funny part is that the rules file actually looks right
[07:05] <LaserJock> yes it does
[07:05] <LaserJock> what does debian/control look like?
[07:06] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=170
[07:07] <LaserJock> ok
[07:07] <LaserJock> copy the source dir to a tmp location
[07:08] <joejaxx> the source dir?
[07:08] <joejaxx> what do you mean?
[07:08] <joejaxx> the while fluxbuntu-meta-0.1 folder?
[07:09] <joejaxx> whole*
[07:11] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ok i copied it
[07:11] <LaserJock> then go into it
[07:11] <joejaxx> ok
[07:11] <joejaxx> i am in the src folder
[07:13] <joejaxx> ok what to do now
[07:14] <LaserJock> run make -f debian/rules build
[07:14] <LaserJock> sorry, had a water spill
[07:15] <joejaxx> it is quite alright
[07:15] <LaserJock> do you see *.substvars files in debian/ ?
[07:15] <joejaxx> make: Nothing to be done for `build'.
[07:15] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yes i do
[07:16] <LaserJock> ok, so does fluxbuntu-minimal.substvars have anything in it
[07:16] <joejaxx> yeah
[07:18] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:25] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yeah i have no idea what the problem is
[07:26] <LaserJock> I was trying to look for typos or something like that
[07:28] <joejaxx> yeah
[07:30] <LaserJock> well, I've got to call it a night
[07:30] <LaserJock> I hope you can get that fixed joejaxx
[07:30] <LaserJock> I just don't see anything obvious
[07:31] <joejaxx> alright
[07:31] <joejaxx> goodnight LaserJock
[07:33] <theCore> I'm out too
[07:33] <theCore> g'night all
[07:33] <joejaxx> goodnight theCore
[08:33] <Lathiat> so
[08:33] <Lathiat> i wonder how many more avahi-daemon not starting bugs we can get before edgy is released
[08:33] <Lathiat> maybe we should make it print a message
[08:33] <sivang> morning
[08:33] <Lathiat> 'Avahi is not enabled, check /etc/default/avahi-daemon'
[08:33] <Lathiat> o rsomething
[08:34] <ajmitch> Lathiat: think of how many you can collect after release
[08:34] <ajmitch> people won't see the message
[08:34] <sivang> heh
[08:34] <Lathiat> they will fi theyre tryign to start it manually
[08:34] <Lathiat> sudo /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon start style
[08:34] <Lathiat> which is what they seem to be doing
[08:34] <sivang> didn't we fix a small GUI starter for that?
[08:34] <Lathiat> oh right this guy was using the services utility
[08:34] <Lathiat> sivang: yeh problem si by default it doesnt start
[08:35] <Lathiat> sivang: which confuses the hell out of everyone
[08:36] <sivang> Lathiat: so let's have something popping once avahi is executed, and the daemon can't be found
[08:36] <sivang> Lathiat: and offer "Do you want to enable it" on the sport
[08:36] <sivang> spot
[08:36] <Lathiat> well
[08:36] <Lathiat> it depends what they're doing
[08:37] <imbrandon> moins all
[08:37] <imbrandon> heya sivang Lathiat
[08:37] <sivang> will it be hard to make smart guesses at what they're doing and act accordingly?
[08:37] <sivang> hey imbrandon !
[08:38] <Lathiat> sivang: if for example they reboot and it "doesnt work" its hard
[08:38] <Lathiat> imbrandon: yo
[08:40] <sivang> Lathiat: I would think this use case would be catered by offering to start the daemon any time a client can't connect to one locally, but then if it doesn't start due to a software crash or some other misfortuen the user would be mislead into an endless loop of "Do you want to enable?.." "Yes, sure I do!" "Daemon is not enabled, would you want to enable?"... and so forth
[08:40] <sivang> we would also have to pop up a window explaining about security due to this..
[08:43] <Lathiat> you mean when a program cant find avahi running?
[08:43] <Lathiat> mm
[08:43] <sivang> Lathiat: yes, indeed.
[08:56] <AnAnt> ping lionelp
[08:56] <lionelp> pong AnAnt
[08:56] <AnAnt> lionelp: you know about freecontrib.org ?
[08:56] <lionelp> yes
[08:57] <AnAnt> lionelp: do they have an authentication key ?
[08:58] <AnAnt> lionelp: I got a problem updating from it today
[08:58] <AnAnt> lionelp: and their website is in french, that's why I ask u
[08:58] <AnAnt> lionelp: je ne comprends le francais
[08:58] <lionelp> :)
[08:58] <AnAnt> hehe, that's like saying "no" to someone asking you if you can hear him :)
[08:59] <lionelp> AnAnt: I have not the key because I am not using it, but i am searching on the website to see if they give it
[08:59] <AnAnt> k, thanks
[09:03] <lionelp> AnAnt: sorry, I do not find any key
[09:03] <lionelp> maybe, there is none
[09:04] <AnAnt> k
[09:05] <AnAnt> I got this from apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://packages.freecontrib.org edgy-plf Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F120156012B83718
[09:12] <Nafallo> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key F120156012B83718 doesn't work?
[09:32] <AnAnt> Nafallo: yeah, thanks
[09:32] <Nafallo> np
[09:33] <AnAnt> Nafallo: now what should I do with it ?
[09:35] <AnAnt> Nafallo: nevermind, I found out !
[10:00] <ChaosFan> t/wg 42
[10:21] <Nafallo> any german guy awake? :-)
[10:27] <imbrandon> bwhahah
[10:27] <imbrandon> ajmitch, you round ?
[10:29] <imbrandon> TheMuso, ping
[10:30] <lastnode> imbrandon, yo
[10:30] <imbrandon> heya lastnode
[10:31] <lastnode> imbrandon, we're making some progress. i bet you're still busy though. maybe we'll package it after edgy ships?
[10:31] <imbrandon> yea we'll stick it in universe when the freeze is over ( after edgy ships )
[10:37] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25950/
[10:38] <imbrandon> now to make pbuilder use it and make ppc packages
[11:36] <\sh> moins
[11:37] <sivang> hey
[11:37] <sivang> moin \sh
[11:38] <spacey> zul: ping
[11:39] <\sh> hey sivang
[11:40] <spacey> good morning \sh and sivang
[11:41] <\sh> ajmitch / siretart: regarding https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/63274 ... ok to upload?
[11:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63274 in wine "UVF exception request wine 0.9.22" [High,Confirmed]
[11:55] <ajmitch> \sh: fine by me
[11:56] <YokoZar> \sh: hi
[11:56] <YokoZar> \sh: What a coincidence opening this window when you're discussing Wine
[11:57] <ajmitch> hey YokoZar
[11:57] <YokoZar> Hey there
[11:57] <\sh> ajmitch: ok..uploaded :)
[11:57] <YokoZar> Any Wine questions while I'm here?
[11:57] <Q-FUNK> Red or White?
[11:58] <YokoZar> Q-FUNK: redmond red
[11:58] <Q-FUNK> LOL
[11:58] <Q-FUNK> that would be an awesome inside joke if someone were to make such a wine
[11:58] <\sh> YokoZar: hehe..yeah sometimes there are little surprises...
[11:59] <YokoZar> \sh: Oh?
[12:00] <\sh> YokoZar: in my company I'm always asked, why wine is not working in native 64bit mode on x86_64 arch ;)
[12:01] <YokoZar> Your company sounds like my email
[12:01] <YokoZar> Any luck getting it to compile on 64 bit?
[12:01] <YokoZar> I've seen like 5 howtos people have posted over the months but none of them work for building for me
[12:01] <\sh> YokoZar: no...upstream told me, that wine on 64bit is right now in a very unusable state
[12:02] <\sh> and not thinking about 32bit wine on 64bit arch
[12:02] <YokoZar> Pretty much.  I'm more talking about building in 32-bit mode
[12:02] <ajmitch> YokoZar is one of upstream, right?
[12:02] <YokoZar> I make the winehq packages
[12:03] <\sh> ajmitch: YokoZar is scott ritchie :)
[12:03] <ajmitch> yeah, that's what I thought
[12:03] <ajmitch> \sh: I know
[12:03] <\sh> accepted wine 0.9.22
[12:04] <ajmitch> great, thanks for that
[12:04] <YokoZar> You fixed the bug I opened ~ build depends right?
[12:04] <ajmitch> about libhal-dev, libgphoto2-2-dev, etc?
[12:04] <\sh> YokoZar: yeah :) I read changelogs ;)
[12:04] <YokoZar> hot
[12:04] <ajmitch> YokoZar: that's in
[12:05] <ajmitch> \sh: might as well close bug 64065 then
[12:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64065 in wine "Missing build depends: libhal-dev, libhal-storage-dev, libgphoto2-2-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64065
[12:05] <YokoZar> So other than forcing the  stack protector off at build time, is the package any different from mine?
[12:06] <\sh> YokoZar: yes, I had to remove libjack-dev and libicu-dev from build-deps ... pbuilder doesn't like it
[12:06] <\sh> YokoZar: but this I do since ages :)
[12:07] <\sh> YokoZar: 64065 closed
[12:07] <YokoZar> Cool
[12:08] <YokoZar> Looks like when I start running an edgy system I'll be able to maintain the edgy branch of winehq very easy :)
[12:08] <ajmitch> YokoZar: that would be good
[12:08] <\sh> :))
[12:08] <\sh> YokoZar: thx for your energy and time to maintain those packages for winehq :)
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch: you should upgrade to WoW ;)
[12:09] <ajmitch> \sh: too expensive & easy to get addicted ;)
[12:09] <YokoZar> Part of me feels guilty for helping people play WoW...
[12:09] <ajmitch> besides, I only have a slow old amd64 with a geforce 6600
[12:10] <\sh> YokoZar: I don't play wow on wine :) actually I try to avoid using wine ;)
[12:10] <YokoZar> Frankly all I use it for these days is online poker and utorrent
[12:10] <YokoZar> And eMule, I guess
[12:11] <ajmitch> I haven't played d2 for a couple of months
[12:11] <ajmitch> & last time I tried it didn't like battle.net anyway
[12:12] <\sh> so..what needs to be done for edgy
[12:12] <\sh> unmet deps ?
[12:12] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:13] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/unmet/unmet.txt for a list I annotated a couple of days ago
[12:13] <ajmitch> I've got abotu 20 f-spot patches to pull from cvs, at the suggestion of an upstream developer :)
[12:14] <\sh> what about the "new merges" ... that's unfair ,)
[12:15] <ajmitch> \sh: we're in universe upstream version freeze, so...
[12:15] <\sh> ajmitch: yepp
[12:16] <ajmitch> we need to get stuff installable & try & fix as many *critical* bugs as possible
[12:19] <ajmitch> yay, another f-spot bug for me to fix
[12:21] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: what's the problem?
[12:25] <Q-FUNK> ajmitch: some hard-coded colors in the code I adopted.  I would need to replace this with macros that adopt whatever the gtk2 theme offers.
[12:26] <Q-FUNK> however, I don't understand the way gtk2 theme inheritance works at all.
[12:26] <ajmitch> ah, neither do I sorry
[12:27] <Q-FUNK> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=374997
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 374997 in wnpp "ITP: utf8-migration-tool -- tool to migrate a Debian system to UTF-8" [Wishlist,Open]
[12:27] <Q-FUNK> this is the problem spot
[12:30] <ajmitch> hm
[12:30] <\sh> hmmm
[12:31] <\sh> pygtk2? isn't there a nice tutorial on how to code pygtk the right way?
[12:31] <Q-FUNK> there might be
[12:32] <Q-FUNK> I'm not much of a coding type to begin with
[12:32] <Q-FUNK> IIRC there is one but I couldn't find the answer I need there.
[12:33] <\sh> Q-FUNK: http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/index.py?req=index
[12:33] <\sh> http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/index.py?req=show&file=faq04.006.htp
[12:36] <ajmitch> \sh: does that get the current theme settings?
[12:36] <Q-FUNK> it seems not.  it just explains how to hard-code a color
[12:38] <\sh> Q-FUNK: so..if you don't set a color, you should get the default
[12:38] <\sh> shouldn't be different to qt
[12:39] <Q-FUNK> I don't know QT either, so I couldn't tell :)
[12:39] <\sh> what about removing the line which are changing the color?
[12:40] <Q-FUNK> that makes it worse
[12:40] <Q-FUNK> sidebar_color = gtk.gdk.color_parse('#cccccc')
[12:40] <Q-FUNK> I have this
[12:40] <Q-FUNK> later on, it's used at
[12:41] <Q-FUNK> self.eventbox_top.modify_bg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, self.sidebar_color)
[12:41] <\sh> and removing the modify_bg call?
[12:41] <\sh> (commenting in)
[12:42] <Q-FUNK> the color does need to be set, just it would need to inherit the theme
[12:45] <Q-FUNK> it needs to inherit the color for selected or disabled items
[12:47] <\sh> hmm....
[12:48] <\sh> ask some gnome/gtk cracks ;)
[12:50] <\sh> ok...doing some real live tasks
[12:50] <\sh> bb
[12:50] <\sh> bbl
[12:58] <ajmitch> hm
[12:59] <Fujitsu> Let's all hum!
[01:00] <ajmitch> nah, dsl just dropped for a couple of minutes
[01:00] <ajmitch> connection to freenode didn't disappear, thankfully
[01:00] <Q-FUNK> is this the hum shopping network? ;)
[01:09] <cvacubo> Hello
[01:30] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[01:30] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[02:01] <imbrandon_> Fujitsu: check query, /me is afk
[03:02] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:11] <lukas__> Hey, I have a simple upgrade to my gfceu package.  It fixes a lot of annoying bugs, and it would be great to see in edgy.  Could someone please upload it?  It's been in the revu for a couple weeks. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214
[03:13] <Hobbsee> lukas__: it's after freeze, you'll need a UVF exception now
[03:13] <lukas__> Hobbsee: Argh :-\ Would they give a UVF for a trivial program?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> probably not.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> depends what it is
[03:14] <Hobbsee> see the topic
[03:14] <lukas__> Alright
[05:22] <jonduf> Hi, I am looking for the package that will put linux/module.h in my include directory. I am trying to compile a very simple helloword.c kernel module and gcc can't find this file, nor can I find it in synaptic. Anyone know where to find it?
[05:24] <sivang> sivan@swirl:~$ dpkg -S linux/module.h
[05:24] <sivang> linux-headers-2.6.17-5: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-5/include/linux/module.h
[05:24] <sivang> jonduf: ^^
[05:24] <sivang> linux-headers-2.6.17-5-686: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-5-686/include/linux/module.h
[05:24] <sivang> jonduf: match this with your running kernel though.
[05:25] <Adri2000> apt-file is your friend
[05:25] <jonduf> thanks
[05:25] <sivang> jonduf: (the package is linux-header-*)
[05:25] <jonduf> right
[05:25] <jonduf> I thought I had that installed though, let me check
[05:27] <jonduf> ok, I do see it now, perhaps there is something in this module tutorial I am not doing correctly, thanks for you help
[05:27] <sivang> jonduf: no problem
[05:28] <theCore> I got a UVF exception, now how do I do the sync?
[05:32] <Adri2000> file a bug
[06:23] <tuxmaniac> Can someone check whether sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2-dev is not broken!!
[06:31] <kristog> when will edgy released?
[06:32] <imbrandon> the release schedule is in the topic
[06:32] <kristog> imbrandon, sorry, thank you
[06:33] <imbrandon> np
[06:34] <zul> ah so it is...:)
[06:36] <imbrandon> heya zul
[06:41] <zul> hey imbrandon how is it going?
[06:42] <imbrandon> great, actualy got my crosscompilers packages and working
[06:43] <imbrandon> heh now trying to make pbuilder use them and make packages for other arches
[06:43] <zul> cool...got your flights booked?
[06:43] <zul> nify..
[06:43] <imbrandon> the travel agent hasent got back to me yet
[06:43] <zul> hmmm...that sucks..
[06:43] <imbrandon> that reminds me i need to email her again
[06:44] <imbrandon> you?
[06:44] <zul> yep leaving oat 6am in the monring on the 4th
[06:44] <imbrandon> nice
[06:45] <zul> not really...
[06:46] <zul> which means i have to get up at like 3 in the morning
[06:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:47] <imbrandon> what airport are you flying into? SF ?
[06:55] <zul> san jose
[06:58] <zul> im still giddy about it
[06:59] <imbrandon> hehe me too, i just poked the agent again, hopefully she will get back to me in the morning
[07:00] <imbrandon> i soooo wanna get a new laptop before then but i dont think i will have the money before UDS so i'll likely just bring my slow ibook hehe
[07:13] <zul> yeah my laptop died unforunately
[07:13] <imbrandon> zul, so you got any specs in mind for UDS ?
[07:13] <imbrandon> yea mine is a 800mhz ppc 640mb ram, not a speed demon but it'll work
[07:14] <zul> imbrandon: mostly xen specs
[07:16] <imbrandon> cool, yea i'm gonna try to get in on some of those, see if i can help out a bit since i use it might as well, as long as there is time from the ones i've already commited to KDE wise
[07:17] <zul> im mostly commited to xen/kernel stuff though i have no idea what im going to get my hands on yet
[07:17] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:41] <joejaxx> imbrandon: want to see something?
[07:42] <joejaxx> laserjock and i were trying to figure this out early this morning
[07:50] <imbrandon> joejaxx, sure
[07:51] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=169
[07:51] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=170
[07:51] <joejaxx> the first is the rules file
[07:51] <joejaxx> and the second is the fluxbuntu-meta files
[07:52] <joejaxx> all of the meta packages except fluxbuntu-minimal are able to pull the dependencies from the substitution variable
[07:52] <imbrandon> very cool
[07:53] <imbrandon> might wanna update the standards to 3.7.2 and debhelper to 5.0.0 but other than that looks rockin
[07:54] <joejaxx> imbrandon: the is problem when i go to build the fluxbuntu-meta package
[07:54] <joejaxx> the fluxbuntu-minimal package can not read the depends from the substitution variable :\
[07:55] <imbrandon> one sec
[07:55] <imbrandon> got that int he repo ?
[07:55] <joejaxx> have what?
[07:56] <imbrandon> that package ( and the source )
[07:56] <imbrandon> i'll take a look
[07:56] <joejaxx> oh no
[07:56] <joejaxx> i am building them to put in universe edgy+1
[07:56] <imbrandon> sure , but i mean for now, do you have it online somewhere
[07:56] <joejaxx> imbrandon: no i do not
[07:57] <imbrandon> hum ok nvm
[08:15] <winkle> hi, a bugfix release of python-notify was just made, is it possible to get this in?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> winkle: file a bug asking for it
[08:23] <winkle> done
[11:14] <ajmitch> hi
[11:16] <Plug> yarr!
[11:25] <kristog> ajmitch, ehrr
[11:26] <kristog> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-butterfly/+bug/64709 this is for uvf-motu
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64709 in telepathy-butterfly "new upstream" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:26] <ajmitch> yes?
[11:26] <kristog> why you did   Assignee: MOTU UVF Team => Riccardo Setti
[11:26] <ajmitch> kristog: correct
[11:26] <ajmitch> I did that because it had 2 approvals
[11:27] <ajmitch> & so it doesn't need to be on the UVF list
[11:27] <ajmitch> as the great dholbach said..
[11:27] <ajmitch> 00:29 < dholbach> ajmitch: can you mark bugs where you approve as the second uvf reviewer as 'confirmed' and assign to whoever filed the bug?
[11:27] <kristog> ok, didn't know :)
[11:27] <kristog> yes, i know
[11:28] <kristog> didn't see your post
[11:28] <ajmitch> ok
[11:29] <zul> ajmitch likes the power it give him an elevated sense of self-esteem
[11:38] <ajmitch> zul :P
[11:41] <Toadstool> hey everybody !
[11:42] <gnomefreak> hi Toadstool
[11:43] <Toadstool> hey gnomefreak
[11:43] <kristog> night all
[11:44] <gnomefreak> night kristog


[12:04] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:04] <_stink_> yo
[12:05] <cmaloney> 'sup?
[12:05] <rick_h_> morn
[12:48] <rick_h_> brousch: my openshot export has no audio any ideas?
[12:48] <cmaloney> It's looking like the MUG board meeting will be in downtown Rotal Oak.
[12:48] <cmaloney> Royal, rather
[12:49] <brousch> Is there audio during the preview, when you play it in openshot?
[12:49] <rick_h_> yea, previews is all good
[12:49] <rick_h_> the whole thing seems good
[12:49] <rick_h_> but exporting gives me video but no audio
[12:49] <brousch> What audio codec do you use at export?
[12:49] <rick_h_> tried a couple of different web formats
[12:49] <rick_h_> mp3
[12:49] <rick_h_> was the last export using the youtube-hd settings
[12:49] <cmaloney> Which file format are you using for export?
[12:49] <rick_h_> the files are wav in openshot
[12:50] <cmaloney> Right, but are you using h264 or ... ?
[12:51] <rick_h_> ok, so tried normal youtube export, audio settings are mp2, 320kbs
[12:51] <rick_h_> still no sound
[12:55] <brousch> aac is what i used to use
[13:02] <rick_h_> oh hmm https://askubuntu.com/questions/541635/no-audio-in-rendered-video-files/548279
[13:02] <rick_h_> that's sucky to track down
[13:12] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Oh that's nice.
[13:12] <cmaloney> Love those "point in time" errors.
[14:53] <brousch> heh
[16:25] <greg-g> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2zpkxx/we_are_jameel_jaffer_of_the_aclu_wikipedia/
[21:06] <cmaloney> Heh. My dad dropped off DVDs of my old high school band "Blackat Chiquita"
[21:06] <cmaloney> JoDee cringed when I showed her some of it.
[21:09] <_stink_> haha
[21:09] <_stink_> i bet it was awesome.
[21:13] <cmaloney> Well, it was our first concert
[21:14] <cmaloney> and there was a lot of cringeworthy in there
[21:14] <cmaloney> including the riser that bounced, and the snare-drum stand that gave-way mid solo
[22:05] <brousch> cmaloney: youtube it, now
[22:09] <cmaloney> I don't have the copyright. :)
[22:09] <cmaloney> You'll just have to come over to watch it. ;)
[23:30] <derekv> man always so much to do, much of it pressing, none of it an emergency, so easy to procrastinate


[12:17] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3866 kubuntu/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added hardware section, added content
[12:20] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3867 ubuntu/games/C/games.xml: Transferred a lot of material from games.xml in kubuntu
[01:20] <nixternal> man, I think I have created, or have enclosed myself in DocHell
[01:21] <LaserJock> yeah?
[01:22] <nixternal> ya, I am trying to finish Kubuntu docs right, but everytime I get into something, I am like this doesn't fit, and I break it out
[01:22] <nixternal> then I am like, damn there is this on the wiki that would be good in here as well
[01:22] <nixternal> and then I look at my network.xml, it is simply beautiful, EXCEPT, I don't have the dial-up stuff in there yet
[01:22] <nixternal> I am so close to completing the Kubuntu docs
[01:23] <nixternal> just over a week to go, so we should be good
[02:20] <LaserJock> nixternal:  goodness, you guys trying to get people excited about LoCo documentation or something?
[02:23] <j1mc> LaserJock, we are pumped about docs.  :)
[02:24] <LaserJock> what are the docs for?
[02:24] <LaserJock> how to run a LoCo?
[02:24] <j1mc> oh, sorry, i misunderstood your question . . .
[02:25] <j1mc> i'm in nixternal's loco, but haven't talked to him about loco docs
[02:25] <LaserJock> I just see 3 planet posts today about it
[03:11] <nixternal> LaserJock: hahahaha, yes we are trying to attract people to help document all of the LoCo stuff
[03:16] <LaserJock> is there a lot of stuff to document?
[05:30] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3868 kubuntu/system-settings/C/system-settings.xml: added content to system-settings
[08:09] <Madpilot> bug #1
[08:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87969 in ubuntu-docs (main) "undefined entities in packagingguide -- cron errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87969
[02:14] <Markon> hi
[07:04] <LaserJock> is bug# 87969 my fault?
[07:05] <LaserJock> bug #87969
[07:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87969 in ubuntu-docs "undefined entities in packagingguide -- cron errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87969
[07:06] <nixternal> of course it is
[07:06] <nixternal> :)
[08:29] <h4writer_> hi, got a question. I'm trying to update the yelp layout so it fits feisty. Now I'm have no knowledge about .c and a couple of things need to be changed. Is here someone that has the knowledge?
[08:31] <LaserJock> what are you trying to do exactly?
[08:32] <LaserJock> what are you updating?
[08:32] <h4writer_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=367825&page=2
[08:32] <h4writer_> so I want to change the layout of search to to this
[08:32] <h4writer_> but I can't get the list of the left-bar
[08:33] <h4writer_> so it need to be written in .c (probably copied from the already existing toc)
[08:34] <LaserJock> well, it's getting a little late in the release for this stuff
[08:34] <LaserJock> but the person you'd want to talk to is Matthew East
[08:35] <h4writer_> okey, so he would be able to adjust that
[08:35] <h4writer_> (I know it is a bit late, but it's the first time I do this, so I didn't now)
[08:36] <LaserJock> h4writer_:  the best thing would be to email the ubuntu-doc list
[08:36] <h4writer_> and do you have the email by hand?
[08:37] <LaserJock><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:37] <h4writer_> thanks
[08:41] <LaserJock> h4writer_:  I like the look of what you've done, btw
[08:41] <h4writer_> thanks
[11:50] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3869 ubuntu/browser-startpage/ (27 files): updating version number as per bug 80390
[11:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80390 in ubuntu-docs "Feisty's default Firefox homepage still reports Edgy" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80390


[01:20] <RAOF> Ok. New mesa 9.1 snapshot question - is anyone seeing a gem object leak on sandybridge?
[08:35] <mlankhorst> RAOF: no but I haven't looked for one either, so maybe? :p
[08:35] <tjaalton> i'm running 9.1 on snb, how can I tell if it leaks or not?
[08:37] <RAOF> tjaalton: while true ; do egrep "^[[:digit:]]+ objects, [[:digit]]+ bytes" /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_gem_objects ; sleep 1 ; done
[08:38] <RAOF> That'll print out the total size; if it keeps increasing over time (not necessarily strictly increasing, but just tending to increase) then you're probably hitting it.
[08:39] <RAOF> Other symptoms include: after a while everything will crash as the OOM killer flails around before killing compiz.
[08:40]  * mlankhorst hands RAOF watch -n1
[08:40]  * RAOF gratefully receives it
[08:41] <tjaalton> the egrep part is missing something
[08:41] <tjaalton> egrep: Pariton [ tai [^
[08:41] <RAOF> Sorry, yeah.
[08:41] <tjaalton> sorry for the locale
[08:41] <tjaalton> :)
[08:41] <RAOF> It's missing the trailing ‘:’ from the second :digit:
[08:41] <tjaalton> oh
[08:46] <tjaalton> ok, I'll let it run for a while
[08:47]  * mlankhorst needs to figure out why nouveau is failing :(
[08:50] <mlankhorst> not upstream, just wrote some patches for the new synchronization framework, fails on my poor nva8
[09:07] <tjaalton> RAOF: doesn't seem to be increasing here
[09:08] <tjaalton> seems to stay around ~770 objects, ~510000000 bytes
[09:27] <RAOF> tjaalton: Ta. Urgh.
[10:30] <mlankhorst> RAOF: if you know what application, valgrind to the rescue?
[10:30] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Plausibly. Tis the mighty compiz, though.
[10:31] <mlankhorst> I mean it would probably show up as a normal allocation, so just crank up logging on valgrind and kill it after a bit
[10:32] <RAOF> Yeah. As long as it's not free()ing the bo without bo_unref()ing it, it should leak valgrind-tracable memory.
[10:32] <RAOF> Now, to see if this abuse of prime does anything interesting...
[12:56] <mlankhorst> did it?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> hm, can anyone install the fglrx driver on raring?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> update-initramfs just goes kaput
[13:22] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/670244/
[13:22] <shadeslayer> I also see a bunch of bug reports
[13:35] <ogra_> shadeslayer, thats modprobe, not update-initramfs
[13:37] <ogra_> (talk to #ubuntu-kernel probably)
[14:35] <shadeslayer> ogra_: okay :)
[14:36] <shadeslayer> could someone also advise me on this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1644035/
[14:41] <shadeslayer> I don't quite understand what's going wrong there
[19:31] <mdeslaur> I just upgraded to raring, and I have to reboot about 10 times for X to come up. Is "Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs" a known bug, and is there a bug number?
[19:32] <tjaalton> hehe
[19:32] <tjaalton> it's well known
[19:34] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: for a workaround, remove -modesetting & -fbdev
[19:34] <tjaalton> pastebin your logfile to be sure
[19:35] <bryce> tjaalton, does the sleep in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf also work around it still?
[19:35] <tjaalton> bryce: ah, maybe
[19:35] <tjaalton> haven't tried that one
[19:35] <bryce> might be a less invasive workaround
[19:35] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1645897/
[19:35] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: remove that from what, exactly....are those packages?
[19:35] <tjaalton> [     4.157] setversion 1.4 failed
[19:35] <tjaalton> bingo
[19:35] <mdeslaur> ie:  xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
[19:35] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: xserver-xorg-video-
[19:36] <tjaalton> yes
[19:36] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: ok, I only have -fbdev
[19:36] <mdeslaur> ah, no, I've got the other one too
[19:36]  * mdeslaur is in fat-finger mode
[19:36] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: is there a bug #?
[19:36] <bryce> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/982889/comments/5
[19:37] <bryce> mdeslaur, bug 982889
[19:37] <mdeslaur> thanks bryce
[19:38] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: did you use quantal before?
[19:38] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: yep, never got that on quantal
[19:38] <tjaalton> weird
[19:39] <tjaalton> but maybe it's slightly quicker to boot now, which makes it easier to hit
[19:40] <mdeslaur> yeah, it's called progress...darn people with they speed optimizations :P
[19:40] <mdeslaur> hehe :)
[19:41] <bryce> or kernel got slower...
[20:20] <fmms> is chris willson here?
[20:22] <fmms> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1116587
[20:24] <bryce> fmms, he is ickle on #intel-gfx
[20:32] <fmms> bryce, thanks


[07:29] <didrocks> good morning
[07:53] <pieq> salut didrocks
[07:54] <pieq> jibel, thanks for your advice last time. I installed focal on my daily run laptop at home, and it's been working pretty well so far!
[07:54] <pieq> only gripe is bluetooth, but I had issues with previous versions of Ubuntu too (I'll open a bug later)
[08:05] <Laney> moin
[08:09] <jibel> salut pieq, thanks for testing the bleeding edge stuff :)
[08:10] <jibel> indeed BT is not the best part of the desktop
[08:12] <pieq> jibel, but I feel it's not a desktop problem
[08:12] <pieq> jibel, I need to investigate a bit more, I think it's just yet another crappy driver :)
[08:17] <didrocks> hey pieq, Laney, jibel
[08:17] <jibel> salut didrocks, ça va?
[08:18] <didrocks> ça va
[08:20] <Wimpress> Morning all o/
[08:23] <pieq> hey Wimpress :)
[08:23] <seb128> lut jibel  didrocks
[08:27] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:27] <seb128> comment ça va ?
[08:27] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[08:28] <seb128> ça va bien :)
[08:32] <Wimpress> Laney: seb128 When would be a good time to sign some keys?
[08:32] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:36] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[08:37] <oSoMoN> hey marcustomlinson, how are things?
[08:37] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: going ok thanks, you?
[08:38] <oSoMoN> good, I survived the team dinner and I got plenty of things that I want to wrap up today
[08:39] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, oSoMoN
[08:40] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[10:58] <duflu> hellsworth, https://design.ubuntu.com/
[10:58] <duflu> and https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette/
[12:49] <tjaalton> duflu: debian has latest wayland, and iirc it should be syncable
[12:50] <duflu> tjaalton, cool
[13:13] <seb128> tjaalton, Debian has 1.18 where upstream is at 1.20
[14:02] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, Wimpress have you seen https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-imager-imaging-utility/
[14:05] <Wimpress> robert_ancell kenvandine Yes.
[14:05] <Wimpress> popey is already be awesome :-)
[14:06] <Wimpress> Snapping it https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wWWoGDC7/image.png
[14:09] <kenvandine> nice
[14:09] <kenvandine> Wimpress: i'll stop snapping it then :)
[14:15] <marcustomlinson> anyone no Etcher snap then
[14:15] <marcustomlinson> /s/anyone/why
[14:30] <tjaalton> seb128: 1.18 was tagged on feb 12th, it's the latest
[14:32] <tjaalton> wayland-protocols 1.20 is in sid since monday
[14:41] <Laney> sync ittttt
[14:42] <seb128> tjaalton, ah, right, I misread the page, thanks for pointing that out!
[15:27] <Trevinho> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tig/+bug/1851235
[15:28] <Wimpress> seb128: Is the Ubuntu logo watermark used in Plymouth the as used in GDM?
[15:28] <Wimpress> Are there resolution contranstraints?
[15:29] <Wimpress> Wayne has offer to make updated watermarks
[15:31] <seb128> Wimpress, yes it's the same logo, and no constraints that I know of
[15:32] <seb128> Wimpress, plymouth added alignment settings in https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/plymouth/plymouth/-/commit/a7ab8217 so the position can be tweaked if needed
[15:42] <tseliot> Laney, I can see that vorlon approved the FFE for LP: #1866035 . I wonder if I should upload u-d-c then
[15:44] <Laney> tseliot: yup, should be good
[15:44] <tseliot> Laney, ok, I'll do it then
[15:51] <Laney> great
[15:51] <Laney> thanks
[16:22] <oSoMoN> ricotz, today I took some time to convert the firefox packaging branches to git. I pushed them to https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/+git/firefox as an initial test, and I'd appreciate your feedback if you can take a look at them, before I push that under ~mozillateam
[16:28] <ricotz> oSoMoN, great!, what about the trunk branch?
[16:29] <oSoMoN> ricotz, right, I didn't do that one yet, will do shortly
[16:30] <ricotz> oSoMoN, did you try to remove the initial "source pushes" which made the repos that large
[16:34] <oSoMoN> ricotz, no, I didn't even try, but somehow the resulting git repo isn't that large
[16:38] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I see, I guess it isn't worth the trouble with 129M currently
[16:38] <oSoMoN> yeah, I don't think it's worth the trouble
[16:38] <oSoMoN> it might be painful for an initial checkout on a slow connection, but it will be almost seamless on a decently fast connection
[16:40] <ricotz> oSoMoN, did you play with the thought on basing it on the debian packaging repo?
[16:41] <oSoMoN> I didn't, but that would be an interesting thing to experiment with
[16:41] <oSoMoN> I think we have diverged quite a bit, so that wouldn't be trivial, but still something worth looking into
[16:41] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ah, just remembered and confirmed it includes tarballs :\
[16:42] <ricotz> aka the full source
[16:42] <oSoMoN> bleh
[16:43] <jamesh> kenvandine: https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/pull/443 <- my hack day project
[16:43] <gitbot> flatpak issue (Pull request) 443 in xdg-desktop-portal "Don't use AppArmor to detect snap confined clients" [Open]
[16:47] <oSoMoN> ricotz, https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/+git/firefox/+ref/trunk
[16:48] <kenvandine> jamesh: excellent
[16:49] <marcustomlinson> everyone hated my hack day project
[16:49] <marcustomlinson> XD
[16:50] <ricotz> oSoMoN, now there are 219MB
[16:50] <oSoMoN> marcustomlinson, you should have warned people to give them a chance to unsubscribe from bugmail in advance :)
[16:51] <marcustomlinson> oh wellzz
[16:52] <oSoMoN> ricotz, when I get a chance I'll look into removing the initial source commits, at least from the trunk branch
[16:53] <ricotz> oSoMoN, alright, looks good so far, but I don't have to diff every branch content :)
[16:53] <ricotz> *have time to
[16:53] <oSoMoN> yeah, me neither
[16:54] <oSoMoN> I'll give it a bit of time before pushing under ~mozillateam, and anyway we'll keep the bzr branches around just in case
[16:55] <oSoMoN> Wimpress, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1616650
[22:16] <clobrano> hey Trevinho, how are you? :)  In you PR for yaru https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/pull/2025, I see there's a symlink only in /usr/share/theme/<theme> only for the light variant, so we can't swich to the dark variant using User Themes extensions. Was there a reason to symlink only one variant?
[22:16] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 2025 in yaru "GNOME Shell generate gresource" [Closed]


[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #13099 in Ubuntu "problems with a wireless mouse (model targus) (dup-of: 37004)" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13099
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #111648 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "conflicts wit xorg-driver-fglrx and nvidia-glx" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111648
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #111674 in xorg (main) "can't change resolution on compaq nw8240, ati driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111674
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #33108 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Synaptics features not always available on resume from S3" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33108
[04:23] <tepsipakki> bryce: ping?
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #111257 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (universe) "totem crashes with 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)' when using compiz and xserver-xorg-video-intel driver" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111257
[05:51] <bryce> hi tepsipakki
[05:54] <seb128> so, did you start xorg syncs and merges yet? ;)
[06:00] <bryce> well, just one module, for practice... protoinput
[06:00] <bryce> I put it on my people page but haven't submitted it; I need to learn more about what Timo's plans are and such
[06:01] <seb128> ok
[06:01] <jcristau> a few input drivers don't build with inputproto 1.4, you might want to wait for it to be fixed upstream
[06:01] <seb128> I think there is a good part of xorg that can be synced on Debian
[06:01] <bryce> ah ok
[06:02] <jcristau> (fd.o #10262)
[06:03] <bryce> jcristau: excellent, thanks
[06:03] <jcristau> np
[06:16] <jcristau> bryce: tepsipakki started pushing a bunch of stuff from ubuntu on git.d.o, so next time you have to update the drivers most of them can be synced
[06:19] <bryce> cool, yeah he mentioned that to me last week
[06:45] <tepsipakki> also some of the diff from xorg (the package)
[06:45] <tepsipakki> hi, btw
[06:45] <tepsipakki> the rest of the xorg diff is still under review by gravity, I think
[06:48] <tepsipakki> bryce: I know it's probably a bit early, but do you have plans for keeping the ubuntu-packaging in a VCS? I sent an email (before you were hired) to TB asking if it could be maintained in git.d.o, but it's really up to you I guess (or TB/sabdfl :)
[06:54] <bryce> heya tepsipakki
[06:54] <bryce> tepsipakki: since xorg itself is maintained in git, I think maintaining the packaging in git makes a lot of sense
[06:55] <bryce> I've some basic git experience via nfs and cairo so that'd be fairly easy for me
[06:55] <bryce> how has the packaging been maintained so far?
[06:56] <tepsipakki> apt-get source; <play around>; dput :)
[06:56] <bryce> heh
[06:57] <tepsipakki> so git would be a wise choice, yes
[07:04] <tepsipakki> bryce: I'll follow up on the mail I sent to TB and add you to CC, so that you can work it out with TB :)
[07:04] <tepsipakki> bbl, dinner ->
[07:04] <bryce> ok cool
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #99359 in ppracer (universe) "planetpenguin-racer does not show text (dup-of: 99158)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99359
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #111859 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (universe) "Rotating screen doesn't change orientation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111859
[10:49] <tepsipakki> bryce: about my xorg plans; first try to merge the changes appropriate for debian in git.d.o, then start syncing/merging stuff carefully. It should be quite a bit less painful compared to the previous push
[10:52] <bryce> cool
[10:53] <bryce> tepsipakki: I started tinkering with it yesterday, to see what sorts of pre-requisites there are.
[10:54] <bryce> It seems that there is an order that things should be merged in?  I saw on your launchpad page the order you did packages in 7.2 - will it be the same basic order for 7.3?
[10:55] <tepsipakki> yes, although there aren't that many changes since 7.2
[10:55] <bryce> also, I was curious if we can do the modules in chunks, or if all the packages need to be merged in one go?  How bad are interdependencies?
[10:55] <bryce> ah, that's good to know
[10:55] <jcristau> bryce: the driver abi hasn't changed since 7.1
[10:56] <tepsipakki> jcristau: are you sure, I remember it was bumped for 1.3?
[10:56] <jcristau> bryce: but xserver 1.4 will have a different abi for both input and video drivers
[10:56] <tepsipakki> oh
[10:56] <bryce> well, to compile xserver I noticed it required newer stuff (e.g. protoinput)
[10:59] <tepsipakki> failed to compile?
[11:00] <bryce> sorry, configure complained about a missing dependency
[11:00] <bryce> (this was the xserver from xorg git)
[11:01] <jcristau> from master?
[11:01] <bryce> from kpackard, not sure if that's considered master or a separate branch
[11:01] <bryce> er, keithp
[11:02] <tepsipakki> ok, but 1.3 in debian should be fine
[11:02] <jcristau> master requires inputproto >= 1.4.2, but 1.3 should be ok
[11:03] <tepsipakki> jcristau: wasn't there a plan to put server-1.4 prereleases in experimental?
[11:04] <tepsipakki> when there's something useful
[11:04] <jcristau> tepsipakki: I guess we'll try. There's a mesa upload in new, which was the first step, and I've started merging the packaging of the server to master locally
[11:05] <jcristau> I think gravity has a build too
[11:05] <tepsipakki> ok, then we could merge with 1.3 in the meantime, to shake things up a bit :)
[11:08] <tepsipakki> what compiler is the default in debian, gcc-3.4?
[11:09] <tepsipakki> jcristau: ^^, do you remember offhand?
[11:09] <jcristau> 4.1
[11:10] <tepsipakki> okay, so it's the same. Ubuntu has had a --no-ssp flag added, but maybe that's not needed anymore?
[11:11] <tepsipakki> I'll check why it was there in the first place..
[11:11] <tepsipakki> oops, it was "-fno-stack-protector"
[11:15] <tepsipakki> I'd say drop it
[11:15] <tepsipakki> here is the original bugreport: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/54726
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 54726 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Random freezes in X" [Undecided,Rejected]
[11:15] <tepsipakki> sorry
[11:15] <tepsipakki> bug 54650
[11:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 54650 in gcc-4.1 "GCC SSP breaks xorg-server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54650
[11:15] <jcristau> maybe there's a difference in how gcc is configured
[11:16] <tepsipakki> of course
[11:16] <tepsipakki> since SSP needs to be turned on, right?
[11:16] <tepsipakki> and it was done for edgy
[11:16] <jcristau> yes, it might not be enabled in debian
[11:22] <tepsipakki> hum, I'll just reply to the bug and ask for testing 1.2 without that option
[11:27] <tepsipakki> fedora has used SSP for a while now, and they don't seem to have that option for the server spec
[11:28] <tepsipakki> not that it proves anything :)
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #54650 in gcc-4.1 (main) "GCC SSP breaks xorg-server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54650


[07:34] <SpamapS> ewoerner: the version of upstart in Ubuntu 11.04 and later has socket activation. I believe there is an ongoing effort to bring it into the 1.x series as well.
[14:34] <ewoerner> SpamapS: okay, thank you
[20:18]  * Keybuk grins manically
[20:18] <Keybuk> boot-complete 5.650s
[20:24] <mbiebl> does that include bios and desktop session :-)
[20:25] <Keybuk> yes
[20:25] <Keybuk> both
[20:25] <mbiebl> nice
[20:25] <Keybuk> we time from power button, not from "after the boot loader has started the kernel"
[21:49] <Keybuk> so I printed the CrOS boot sequence on a giant chart and hung it on the wall
[21:49] <Keybuk> everyone keeps stopping and staring at it
[22:57] <JanC> Keybuk: why are you using a BIOS ?  :P
[22:59] <Keybuk> JanC: because it's hardware
[22:59] <Keybuk> EFI is still BIOS
[22:59] <JanC> well, I'd call it a firmware or something like that
[23:00] <Keybuk> JanC: mbiebl called it bios, not me
[23:01] <JanC> right, so this is some decent firmware that doesn't take 10-20 seconds   ;)
[23:01] <JanC> or more
[23:04] <Keybuk> right
[23:04] <JanC> OTOH, Asus EEE managed to get a BIOS to finish in ~1 second by not doing any hardware detection