[01:34] <androidbruce> hello all how goes it
[01:36] <valorie> hi androidbruce
[01:36] <valorie> contemplating the purchase of a phone
[01:37] <valorie> has to be verizon, and work in Europe
[01:38] <valorie> which narrows my possibilities greatly
[01:43] <valorie> thunderbolt and droid2, I guess
[01:44] <valorie> grrrr, flash sites.....
[01:49] <androidbruce> valorie: if you're getting a phone now, it's gotta be the thunderbolt
[01:49] <androidbruce> there is really nothing that compares
[01:50] <valorie> you've seen and used one?
[01:50] <androidbruce> yes
[01:51] <valorie> and the lack of a keyboard isn't a lack?
[01:51] <androidbruce> i used it the day it released
[01:51] <valorie> I should have known
[01:51] <valorie> lol
[01:51] <androidbruce> well I suppose if you aren't used to an onscreen keyboard it would be tough
[01:51] <valorie> I've not used a smartphone,
[01:51] <androidbruce> but that's many users
[01:51] <valorie> so everything will be new to me
[01:51] <androidbruce> right so you have many many hurdles to jump over
[01:51] <androidbruce> just go for it
[01:51] <valorie> if I'm going to Europe this summer though
[01:52] <valorie> I thought getting the phone now, and getting used to it
[01:52] <androidbruce> yes
[01:52] <valorie> would be a good idea
[01:52] <androidbruce> and you have 14 days to 'test drive' it
[01:52] <androidbruce> plus android is all linux based. so you'll be right at home ;)
[01:52] <valorie> sort of
[01:53] <androidbruce> indeed
[01:53] <valorie> I listen to people talk about it though, and it's all new stuff
[01:53] <valorie> all ARM, right?
[01:53] <androidbruce> of course, all android devices are arm based
[01:53] <valorie> ok, this is all new language
[01:53] <androidbruce> yeah
[01:53] <valorie> I hear people talk about ARM, but have ignored it up to now
[01:53] <valorie> I guess i should pay attention
[01:54] <androidbruce> well in all reality you would not really need to know that it's arm based as an end user
[01:54] <androidbruce> but for development you would have to know how to compile for arm
[01:54] <valorie> sure, but eventually I'll be putting KDE on it
[01:54] <valorie> lol
[01:54] <androidbruce> i.e. kernels
[01:54] <androidbruce> lol
[01:54] <androidbruce> i'm not sure which is funnier, kde or putting kde on an android device ;)
[01:54] <valorie> one of our kubuntu devels is the ARM guy for ubuntu
[01:54]  * androidbruce is a gnome fanboy
[01:55] <valorie> hehe
[01:55] <valorie> I've always preferrred kde
[01:55] <valorie> but I'm not religious about it
[01:55] <valorie> some gnome apps are better
[01:55] <valorie> so do you have gnome running on your droid?
[01:56] <androidbruce> lol no way
[01:56] <androidbruce> not sure it's possible
[01:56] <androidbruce> and i have a g2
[01:56] <androidbruce> ;)
[01:57] <androidbruce> we can talk more about this later, time to 'punch out'
[01:57] <androidbruce> have a good night
[01:58] <valorie> niters
[04:19] <valorie> androidbruce: I took your advice, and now have a shiny new thunderbolt
[04:19] <valorie> now to figure out how to get IRC on it, etc.
[15:16] <Navion> Anyone know someone that has experience with Ubuntu on Mac Minis?
[15:24] <Navion> Is there a live person here?


[00:00] <bvb> hello friends
[00:01] <bvb> is there a way to view the file permissions in the detailed view of folders?
[00:09] <ianorlin> in pcmanfm?
[00:15] <bvb> yeah
[00:30] <bvb> so do you know how to apply that setting?
[00:31] <ianorlin> I don't
[00:32] <ianorlin> not sure you can
[02:26] <katkisson> Is it better to leave my computer on hibernate all night or to shut down? Which one is easier for the computer?
[02:28] <Unit193> Hibernate is the same thing, just copies the ram to disk, then copies back on bootup (basically.)  Hibernate is a bit slower and in this a little more unstable.
[02:29] <katkisson> o.k. thanks!
[06:15] <warsong> hi all
[06:16] <warsong> is there a GUI for scaning for bad secotrs?
[06:23] <phillw> warsong: out of interest or out of the fact the drive is dying?
[06:23] <warsong> I need/want a utitle to scan for bad sectors
[06:24] <Unit193> Brand?
[06:24] <bioterror> gnome-disk-utility - manage and configure disk drives and media
[06:24] <warsong> Im sorry I dont understand
[06:24] <warsong> I have wel over 30 ide drives
[06:25] <warsong> Lubuntu dose not run gnome dose it?
[06:25] <Unit193> Nope, doesn't mean that won't work.
[06:25] <phillw> warsong: you can use gnome-disk-utility  - just install it.
[06:26] <warsong> k i will download the packet right now
[06:26] <Unit193> I have a seagate drive, so I may use seatools or mhdd. :P
[06:26] <bioterror> if I had ide drives, I would use hammer :-)
[06:26] <warsong> I feel your pain
[06:26] <warsong> I trash  a lot of them
[06:27] <warsong> but people are in need
[06:27] <phillw> If, however, you want to scan for bad sectors and have them marked as such on the disk(s), then look at the 1st answer on http://askubuntu.com/questions/104063/how-can-i-know-the-number-of-bad-sectors-on-my-hard-drive
[06:27] <warsong> but you cant scan a drive if it mounted
[06:27] <phillw> A failing hard drive is failing, but if it genuinely has had a slight accident in its life, that link may help you.
[06:28] <phillw> warsong: for bad sector scanning, expect the drive to be wiped clean. you can not do non-destructive testing.
[06:29] <warsong> huh spin right dose it
[06:29] <phillw> well, you can, but it is not worth the paper you print the result out on.
[06:29] <warsong> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpinRite
[06:30] <phillw> warsong: *reading* from a sector <> *writing* to a sector, but if you wish to follow wikipedia, why did you ask in here?
[06:31] <warsong> that dose not fit the roll im looking for
[06:31] <warsong> it was just a off topic thing sorry
[06:45] <Jamie_> Hello, can I have some help with permissions?
[06:49] <phillw> !ask | Jamie_
[06:50] <Jamie_> I installed lamp and when I go to create a file inside var/www it won't save the file. I think I need to chmod the directory?
[06:51] <phillw> Jamie_: this is not lubuntu related, so before the big bad wolf comes and complains, can you please
[06:51] <phillw> /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:51] <phillw> and I'll be happy to chat with you about LAMP and /var/www
[06:51] <Jamie_> It is Lubuntu Related.
[06:52] <Jamie_> I'm on Lubuntu though...
[06:52] <phillw> jamie, please issue the command '/j #lubuntu-offtopic' (with out the ')
[06:53] <Unit193> He's asking a support question, which is best off in a support channel...
[11:11] <Monday> what do i type to install xfce so that i can test it out, then what do i type to remove it after without removing the xfce stuff for lubuntu
[17:28] <Monday> how often are LXDE releases and what version is the current one
[17:34] <phillw> Monday: lxde does not have a 'release' as such, it is the collection of 'lx' components which get updated as the developers have time. These components then go into 'releases'.
[17:37] <phillw> Monday: head over to http://blog.lxde.org/ which has lots of great links to the lxde project.
[19:41] <map> hey y'all
[20:05] <javatexan> Iubuntu is really nice, thank you for all hard work
[21:26] <phillw> javatexan: thank you for your kind words :)


[12:07] <mdke> enrico, ping
[01:21] <enrico> mdke: hi.  Going to bed
[01:21] <mdke> ok
[09:12] <froud> African Greetings
[06:48] <mdke> enrico, ping
[06:49] <enrico> hi mdke
[06:50] <mdke> ciao
[06:50] <mdke> you remember those changes to the website? i didn't get any reply from the list, who should I ask about them?
[06:50] <enrico> mako, I think
[06:50] <mdke> right
[06:51] <mdke> you doing ok?
[06:52] <enrico> not too bad
[06:53] <mdke> :)
[08:22] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison
[10:04] <mdke> good night!
[11:15] <abelli> ciao a tutti


[00:13] <oorah> Rigormortis, you can make a live usb also
[00:15] <Rigormortis> oorah: yeah, I was using a live usb at first. But the install application crashed whenever I tried to launch it. I check the logs and there were warnings about the system being out of memory.
[00:16] <psycho_oreos> how much is your memory currently?
[00:17] <Rigormortis> the system has a 256MB card installed, but due to the video chip it is slightly less than that (comes in at around 240 something)
[00:19] <oorah> oh an video card is integrated, that sucks
[00:19] <psycho_oreos> 256? that is pretty puny
[00:20] <psycho_oreos> more like video chip than video card
[00:20] <oorah> my parent's computer has 128 ram running xp
[00:20] <oorah> oh ok
[00:20] <psycho_oreos> xp != linux
[00:20] <oorah> huh?
[00:21] <vinnl> That means XP is not the same as Linux distributions :P
[00:21] <psycho_oreos> just because xp can run on 128MB don't expect linux (particularly xubuntu) to do the same
[00:21] <likemindead> Yikes!
[00:21] <likemindead> Max that RAM out!
[00:22] <oorah> mine has 1 gig
[00:22] <oorah> msi wind u100
[00:22] <oorah> intel atom
[00:22] <Rigormortis> well, that's the thing. I work at a high school and we've got about 30 of these laptops that we are going to be giving away. We plan on installing Xubuntu on them beforehand so the system is not completely useless to someone who doesn't know how to install an operating system.
[00:22] <Rigormortis> Xubuntu's system requirements say that it needs only 128MB of ram.
[00:23] <oorah> with 1 gig ram here and atom processor Xubuntu runs really well on it
[00:23] <oorah> i can open every app i have and it still runs fine
[00:24]  * psycho_oreos thinks that is probably slowly getting outdated.. 128MB of ram.. and that probably doesn't include running many heavy apps
[00:24] <likemindead> Xubuntu will run smoothly with 512MB+ in my experience.
[00:24] <vinnl> Rigormortis, where does it say that?
[00:25] <likemindead> I always just max out the RAM on my machines because it's the cheapest way to get the most out of a machine.
[00:25] <vinnl> Oh wait
[00:25] <vinnl> 128 is really exceptional, it's explicitly noted that it's not recommended
[00:25] <vinnl> So that means "it will run but it will be excruciatingly painful" :P
[00:25] <Rigormortis> yeah. These systems have slightly under 256MB.
[00:26] <psycho_oreos> likemindead, ditto, mine xubuntu setup is on 4gb ram
[00:27] <likemindead> Nice!
[00:27] <likemindead> 64-bit, I assume?
[00:27] <psycho_oreos> likemindead, its capable of running 64bit but no I refuse to run 64bit
[00:27] <nwadawg> likemindead:  ty for the link earlier
[00:27] <Rigormortis> I don't expect it to be the best computer ever. But I figure that a basic Xubuntu install is more useful to someone with limited computer experience than "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER".
[00:28] <oorah> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[00:28] <vinnl> Rigormortis, true, though you might look at other systems that will run better at them (but won't really be as good)
[00:29] <oorah> i saw a laptop for sale at electronic express for $119
[00:29] <oorah> the screen was only 6 or 7 inches and had no hard drive lol it had xp
[00:29] <nwadawg> i run into something Xubuntu on a old dell laptop, xubuntu would not install (low ram), I tired Madbox. it installed great
[00:29] <oorah> it was a sylvania, looked cheaply made
[00:29] <Rigormortis> well, Xubuntu should run fine. I meet the requirements. Its like I said earlier. My problem is that during the "Select and install software" step, the installation fails.   The log file mentions that firefox-gnome-support and xserver-xorg-video-all have unmet dependencies (firefox-3.5-gnome-support and xserver-xorg-video-ati, respectively).
[00:30] <oorah> nwadawg, whats madbox?
[00:30] <vinnl> Rigormortis, ah
[00:30] <vinnl> Rigormortis, what version is that?
[00:30] <oorah> Rigormortis, try the graphical installer
[00:30] <Rigormortis> It is Xubuntu 9.10 alternate. I'm running from the alternate install CD.
[00:31] <nwadawg> http://www.ad-comp.be/
[00:31] <vinnl> Hmm
[00:31] <Rigormortis> The graphical installer crashes, as I mentioned earlier the log files go on about being out of memory.
[00:31] <vinnl> You could indeed try using the Desktop CD with just the installer
[00:31] <vinnl> That should run with less memory
[00:31] <oorah> how can a laptop have an os installed when it has no hard drive?
[00:31] <Rigormortis> Also, this is being installed from a flash drive
[00:32] <vinnl> Rigormortis, have you tried just selecting Install instead of "Start and install Xubuntu" (or whatever it's called?)
[00:32] <oorah> imo flash drive ismost recommended. evern rw discs get too scratched up over time and with a flash drive scratches aren't an issue lol
[00:33] <oorah> Rigormortis, try the regular cd
[00:34] <Rigormortis> I have tried the regular CD. The installer crashes, syslog mentions being out of memory.
[00:34] <oorah> oh i see
[00:34] <oorah> Rigormortis, have you tried net install?
[00:34] <Rigormortis> vinnl: Although, I haven't tried the method you said yet.
[00:34] <vinnl> Rigormortis, try that, it's even mentioned on xubuntu.org/get#requirements :)
[00:35] <Rigormortis> I'll give it a shot
[00:42] <oorah> Mark Schuttleworth stepped down as Ubuntu CEO
[00:42] <likemindead> THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
[00:42] <oorah> Jane Silber is the CEO now
[00:42] <oorah> Mark wants to focus on the development aspect
[01:53] <Rigormortis> Using the plain install option from the LiveCD worked perfectly. The system is now up and running Xubuntu just fine! Thanks a bunch to all of you.
[02:12] <oorah> yw
[02:13] <oorah> :)
[03:30] <oorah> howdy yall
[03:31] <oorah> !help
[03:33] <oorah> !ubottu
[03:33] <oorah> !xubuntu
[03:34] <oorah> !windows
[03:34] <oorah> !bsd
[03:34] <ndr01d> I;m having touble with editting menus
[03:34] <oorah> ndr01d, whats the problem?
[03:35] <ndr01d> i can't edit the app menu...
[03:36] <ndr01d> i have d/l edit menu from add/remove progs - but to no avail...
[03:36] <oorah> ndr01d, oh i never do that, i just add icons to the panel
[03:36] <ndr01d> yes, but there are some apps I want, but not to show up on the menu...
[03:37] <ndr01d> on ubuntu I would just right click of the app menu...
[03:37] <oorah> ndr01d, http://tinyurl.com/yap4kyl lol
[03:38] <oorah> well, i thought it was humorous. hope that helped
[03:38] <ndr01d> thanks for the comic relief =)
[03:40] <oorah> im looking for that info
[03:40] <_Techie_> ndr01d, from memory xfce doesnt like altered menu's
[03:40] <ndr01d> oh...
[03:40] <ndr01d> ;(
[03:41] <oorah> i'll look anyway
[03:41] <oorah> maybe its part of a minimalist DE perhaps but still digging
[03:42] <ndr01d> do I have to alter the menu.xml?
[03:43] <_Techie_> from memory yes
[03:43] <_Techie_> !raptors
[03:43] <_Techie_> !pickup
[03:43] <ndr01d> I don't really want to but I may have to
[03:44] <_Techie_> !fakefact
[03:45] <oorah> !xubuntu edit menu
[03:45] <_Techie_> !bunnies
[03:45] <_Techie_> aww, they removed the entry
[03:45] <ndr01d> what about adding to the panel (not a launch button - but a running app)?
[03:47] <_Techie_> !point
[03:48] <oorah> from what i've read you have to edit menus manually
[03:48] <oorah> which sounds complicated and dangerous lol
[03:48] <_Techie_> now remember kids, always keep backups
[03:48] <ndr01d> too right oorah
[03:48] <oorah> ndr01d, "We have to go in manually, there's no time for lubricant"
[03:49] <oorah> "THERE'S ALWAYS TIME FOR LUBRICANT!"
[03:49] <oorah> mars attacks quote, sorry lol
[03:49] <oorah> oops i meant evolution
[03:49] <oorah> not mars attacks
[03:50] <ndr01d> =]
[03:51] <ndr01d> found a web page...http to follow
[03:51] <ndr01d> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/
[03:51] <ndr01d> this seems like the trick
[03:52] <oorah> i thought my retro movie quote was funny lol
[03:52] <oorah> lemme look also thanks
[03:53] <oorah> looks messy lol
[03:53] <ndr01d> its a bit old school -2006
[03:54] <ndr01d> but I don't think too much has changed...
[03:54] <oorah> oh ok
[03:54] <ndr01d> has it?
[03:54] <oorah> i think i'll be happy with my editable panels lol good enough for me
[03:55] <oorah> i prefer speed of xfce over customizing gnome/kde any day
[03:55] <ndr01d> same
[03:55] <oorah> i recently tried kde for the first time in about 2 years, its gotten worse, and i'd honestly rather use windows desktop sad to say
[03:56] <oorah> can you imagine typing what you're looking for in kpackagekit (synaptic) and nothing come up, like type flash, and see nothing at all?
[03:56] <oorah> maybe i'm just spoiled by gnome and xfce
[03:57] <ndr01d> would it be OK to say KDE = NESB developers = ugly/not user friendly
[03:57] <ndr01d> NESB = Non English Speaking Background
[03:57] <oorah> oh ok
[03:58] <oorah> how come in kpackagekit ya can't type flash, and find flash? lol
[03:58] <ndr01d> maybe KDE is OK in <not English>...
[03:58] <oorah> i know this is xubuntu channel, just harping on why i love xfce and gnome DE
[04:01] <oorah> guess what
[04:01] <ndr01d> whaaat
[04:01] <oorah> people may think i'm crazy, i installed epiphany and removed firefox :O
[04:02] <ndr01d> Shiretoko = my choice
[04:02] <ndr01d> Its just such a cool name
[04:06] <_Techie_> aye aye aye, just call it firefox
[04:08] <oorah> whats shiretoko? and call what firefox?
[04:09] <_Techie_> shiretoko = firefox
[04:12] <cannonfodder> okay...i give...how do I attach thunar to remote SMB and NFS shares on servers on the network?
[04:13] <cannonfodder> its not CTRL-L, I've tried....
[04:16] <oorah> which is probably better? epiphany or midori?
[04:16] <oorah> they're both 100/100 on acid test
[04:40] <oorah> ubottu you're on my friends list now :)
[04:40] <oorah> you seem intelligent lol
[04:46] <genii> !best
[04:47] <oorah> !BestBot
[04:47] <oorah> !bestbot
[04:49] <oorah> !panic
[04:50] <genii> Hm. Peculiar fellow
[07:12] <joeismyname> hi
[07:12] <joeismyname> I have mutimedia keys problem
[07:13] <joeismyname> I just installed xubuntu via just sudo apt-get install xfce4
[07:13] <joeismyname> is there any other packages I need to get it to work?
[07:20] <joeismyname> esekeyd - multimedia keyboard daemon for Linux
[07:20] <joeismyname> hotkeys - A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X
[07:20] <joeismyname> is it one of those packages
[07:40] <joeismyname> ??
[08:08] <syrius> coolz
[12:04] <pegassus> hi, hola hello
[12:05] <knome> !hi | pegassus
[12:05] <knome> ...right
[12:07] <pegassus> algun usuario en español
[12:07] <pegassus> ???
[12:07] <knome> !es
[12:08] <pegassus> para xubuntu en español???
[12:08] <knome> pegassus, i don't undestand spanish, but please ask #ubuntu-es in spanish
[12:08] <knome> pegassus, you can also ask about xubuntu.
[12:09] <pegassus> ho ok
[12:10] <pegassus> i want to login in my xubuntu om kde destop, how??
[12:11] <knome> just select xfce session on kdm.
[12:12] <pegassus> xfce is my default desktop or theme but i want to enter on KDE
[12:13] <_Pete_> pegassus: on login screen
[12:13] <_Pete_> there's menu from you can choose desktop enviroment
[12:13] <knome> pegassus, then select kde session on gdm.
[12:13] <knome> pegassus, please do ask #ubuntu-es :P
[12:13] <pegassus> ho ok thanks , I disabled
[12:14] <knome> pegassus, it's probably easier if somebody can explain it in spanish
[12:14] <pegassus> no prob, thanks
[12:14] <pegassus> now I know
[12:15] <pegassus> bye
[12:15] <knome> o/
[12:46] <bittin^> Hello anyone know how i do a list off my installed Debian packages with dpkg into a textfile?
[12:49] <djura-san> there is one trick
[12:49] <djura-san> wait a sec
[12:52] <djura-san> hmmm. it seams that is errased that command
[12:52] <djura-san> i was keeping it in txt file but its gone now
[12:52] <djura-san> so it should be something like
[12:52] <djura-san> dpkg -i > out_file
[12:52] <djura-san> or somethig like that
[12:53] <djura-san> aha
[12:53] <djura-san> there is one web page about that
[12:53] <djura-san> get selections is the option
[12:53] <djura-san> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/clone-your-ubuntu-installation.html
[12:53] <djura-san> :)
[12:55] <bittin^> http://bittin.linuxuser.se/HilleLinuxpackages.txt got it to work :)
[14:08] <Besogon> !paste
[16:27] <javatexan> morning all...I have made a launcher on the desktop and I would like to add it to the panel....Click drag doesn't work, how do I do it?
[16:28] <djura-san> right click on panel ->  add new items
[16:29] <djura-san> choose launcher
[16:29] <djura-san> or whatever you want
[16:30] <javatexan> okay...that got, I was sure it was something easy...just had to figure out what it wanted....Thanks
[16:31] <djura-san> well it is easy
[16:31] <djura-san> what kind o launcher did you placed on desktop?
[16:31] <djura-san> *of
[17:12] <knome> hey, is there a way to download images from a canon camera without installing a GUI app?
[17:17] <knome> the answer: gphoto2
[17:17] <knome> hey j1mc :)
[17:23] <j1mc> knome: howdy
[18:15] <gabriel> howdy!
[18:16] <gabriel> Anyone out there?
[18:33] <mclur3> anyone here using 9.10 with xubuntu on an eee 901?
[18:33] <knome> mclur3, i'm runnin jaunty, but feel free to ask
[18:34] <mclur3> knome: the network card doesn't work, and graphics is choppy (after a clean install)
[18:34] <mclur3> acpi doesn't work either
[18:34] <mclur3> hm
[18:34] <knome> mclur3, have you installed the array.org kernel?
[18:35] <mclur3> knome: nope. any guide you can recommend?
[18:35] <knome> mclur3, see http://array.org/ubuntu/
[18:35] <knome> mclur3, you just have to enable the repositories and install the eeepc kernel package
[18:35] <knome> mclur3, that should make everything (at least when talking about HW) wokring
[18:35] <knome> *working
[18:36] <mclur3> neither wired or wireless connection works
[18:36] <mclur3> at the moment. using another computer
[18:36] <knome> oh? that's weird.
[18:36] <mclur3> yep
[18:37] <knome> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/add-applications/C/offline.html
[18:38] <mclur3> the array karmic kernel is not completed yet it seems
[20:52] <oorah> what does albatross mean?
[20:56] <knome> oorah, albatross is a bird and the default xubuntu theme
[21:28] <oorah> knome, oh ok thanks
[21:29] <oorah> knome, didn't the mouse use to be the theme? is the albatross bird significant in some way?
[21:54] <likemindead> http://www.8bitchristmas.com/
[21:55] <likemindead> Errr.... sorry. Wrong window. But go to it anyways!
[22:01] <oorah> what is the name of the developers channel?
[22:06] <knome> oorah, #xubuntu-devel


[00:01] <jamiet74> new to linux have 13.10 but need help
[00:05] <ochosi> jamiet74: hey, best to head over to the support channel (#xubuntu)
[00:14] <ochosi> ali1234: indeed! nice work
[00:16] <ochosi> so would you say it's merge-ready or are there any open issues atm?
[00:16] <ali1234> there are some issues still
[00:16] <ali1234> sometimes the scroll events fall through to applications (sometimes they don't)
[00:17] <ali1234> i'm not yet sure if that thing i think is a bug, is really a bug
[00:17] <ali1234> it's either something really clever i don't understand, or a really stupid bug
[00:18] <ali1234> the hardcoded framerate thing too
[00:19] <ochosi> but those things are in xfwm4 now anyways, no?
[00:19] <ochosi> (not the scroll issue)
[00:19] <ali1234> not exactly
[00:20] <ali1234> i mean i had to "fix" the "bug" to make this work, yeah?
[00:20] <ali1234> but if it's not a bug, then my fix is not a fix
[00:20] <ochosi> oh
[00:20] <ochosi> i see
[00:20] <ochosi> btw, how could i reproduce the scroll-problems?
[00:21] <ali1234> also, it could do with a config screen in "window manager tweaks" - no idea how to do that though
[00:21] <ali1234> scroll problems?
[00:21] <ochosi> "sometimes the scroll events fall through"
[00:21] <ali1234> oh, open say, gedit and then open a long source file, and then zoom in with the pointer over the source
[00:22] <ochosi> could that be a gtk3 thing?
[00:22] <ochosi> i don't see that behavior in mousepad (while i can reproduce it in gedit)
[00:22] <ali1234> could be, yeah
[00:23] <ali1234> i don't see it with pidgin, not sure what that uses
[00:23] <ochosi> i think gtk2, but i could be wrong
[00:23] <ali1234> nor xfce4-terminal
[00:23] <ochosi> (as i don't use pidgin)
[00:23] <ali1234> nor xterm... it needs fixing anyway though
[00:23] <ochosi> i also don't see it with skype
[00:24] <ali1234> firefox is okay too
[00:29] <ochosi> sounds like the list of problematic apps is shorter than the one where it works
[00:29] <ali1234> yeah. i haven't really tried to debug it yet
[00:35] <ochosi> ali1234: evince (gtk3) also has the scrolling issue
[07:14] <elfy> knome: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/23/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t18:27 - sudo -i was the end of that conversation @19:30
[07:14] <elfy> and it works fine here - gksudo is not installed by default anymore - so shouldn't be on the testcase
[09:14] <knome> elfy, sudo -i doesn't work for me.
[09:34] <slickymaster> good morning all
[09:36] <slickymaster> elfy, ping
[09:40] <knome> morning slickymaster
[09:42] <slickymaster> good morning knome
[09:56] <slickymaster> elfy, as soon as you can have a few minutes to spare, please see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[10:18] <slickymaster> elfy: sorry, the correct link is http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/12/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t22:29 not the previous one
[11:29] <ochosi> pleia2, knome: i finalized the wiki pages now for the 14.04 wallpapers submissions (added an example submission of mine), if you wanna review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers/Submissions
[11:30] <knome> ochosi, haha, look at it yourself!
[11:31] <ochosi> ?
[11:31] <knome> load the page in your browser
[11:32] <ochosi> ah nice
[11:32] <ochosi> that was really fast :)
[11:32] <ochosi> i'd suggest to crop the resolution though
[11:32] <knome> yeah, i catched the message
[11:32] <ochosi> it's just a few px
[11:32] <knome> well, it's bigger than we need, just proves it's big enough
[11:32] <knome> imo
[11:33] <ochosi> right, that's fine too
[11:33] <ochosi> ok, so i'll rewrite the email to reflect the changes on the guidelines and then send it to the MLs
[11:33] <knome> sounds good
[11:34] <ochosi> oh, btw, are you fine with ppl giving feedback on the -dev-ml?
[11:34] <ochosi> or would you prefer the users-ml
[11:34] <ochosi> "Specific comments and words of encouragement may be posted to the Xubuntu development mailing list."
[11:34] <knome> ummph
[11:34] <knome> i suppose, yeah
[11:34] <ochosi> we can also let things happen on the users-ml
[11:34] <ochosi> i don't mind
[11:35] <knome> well -devel is more appropriate
[11:35] <ochosi> it's just that i'm not subscribed atm :}
[11:35] <ochosi> ok good
[11:35] <knome> i do prefer -devel as well
[11:35] <knome> i'm only monitoring -users
[11:35] <knome> (mostly)
[11:35] <ochosi> fwiw, could you quickly link me to tomorrow's meeting's agenda?
[11:36] <ochosi> i have to add one update-item
[11:36] <ochosi> or wait i'll find it myself
[11:36] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[11:36] <knome> lazy boy
[11:37] <ochosi> hehe
[11:40] <knome>  STGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHH BBB<>>>zUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY~5~~JH MNJUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYBNXDN                                       IÖOUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII0~~+11111111110+++++++++++++++++++-
[11:40] <knome> 4+
[11:40] <knome> ooops.
[11:40] <knome> guess what i'm doing
[11:42] <ochosi> trying to push someone's buttons?
[11:42] <knome> :P
[11:42] <knome> naw, cleaning my keyboard
[11:48] <davmor2> knome: random keygenerator
[11:48] <knome> very bad one at that if it was one
[11:48] <knome> :|
[11:53] <davmor2> knome: I meant you were create random noise for a key creation :)
[12:25] <slickymaster> brainwash: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729477
[13:03] <elfy> knome - you seriously can't get sudo -i to work in a terminal?
[13:04] <elfy> oh - mmm
[13:04] <elfy> nvm
[13:04] <elfy> I guess the best thing to do is to not have any sort of root thing in the testcase anyway
[13:05] <elfy> as long as some random command works in there it doesn't really matter much which it is
[13:05] <elfy> slickymaster: ^^
[13:06] <slickymaster> yeah I saw it, elfy
[13:13] <slickymaster> elfy: you can get sudo -i to work in terminal, even though you will not be using a graphical sudo and therefore it shouldn't be advised. The problem I pointed is due to the fact that in http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1585/results it will be required ti run sudo -i mousepad in aplication finder dialog box and it's that that doesn't works as it doesn't launch mousepad at all,
 I guess the best thing to do is to not have any sort of root thing in the testcase anyway
 as long as some random command works in there it doesn't really matter much which it is
[13:14] <elfy> then there is no issue :)
[13:15] <elfy> I just happened to write it while I was doing stuff and used that command - probably better to not have a root anything in a testcase
[13:16] <slickymaster> elfy: yeah, I agree with you. The few tests that do require the use of administrative privileges are specific and mostly relate to server installs
[13:16]  * elfy is too old to try doing more than one thing at a time - should have left the bug till the weekend
[13:16] <elfy> anyway - only got 14 mins of lunch left - bbl
[13:17]  * slickymaster thinks that elfy isn't familiar with a portuguese saying that only old rags are old
[13:17] <elfy> lol
[13:17] <slickymaster> ;)
[13:48] <ochosi> brainwash: i implemented screen-blanking in the greeter on locking with light-locker, so the vt-flickering should be a bit less now
[14:59] <elfy> knome: I've pushed change to appfinder for approval, changed root thunar to non-root thunar
[16:34] <brainwash> ochosi: I'll test that
[16:35] <ochosi> good, lemme know how it goes
[16:35] <ochosi> i can tell you in advance that this is what's happening:
[16:35] <ochosi> screensaver-timeout -> screen-blank -> screen-off (dpms/vt-switching) -> screen-blank
[16:35] <ochosi> so there's some stuff going on with your display
[16:35] <ochosi> but it's between off and black
[16:37] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, but it will be still ugly on my test system due to the resolution change
[16:37] <ochosi> what resolution change?
[16:38] <ochosi> vbox?
[16:38] <brainwash> when switching vt
[16:38] <ochosi> yeah, but how would you even see that, the screen is blanked the whole time
[16:38] <ochosi> or are you using virtualbox or something like that?
[16:38] <brainwash> no
[16:39] <brainwash> but the proprietary AMD graphics driver
[16:39] <brainwash> so no kms
[16:40] <brainwash> so I'll test in like some minutes
[16:43] <brainwash> ochosi: and we need to fix the greeter to not paint the background specified in the config file if there is an accountsservice one available
[16:43] <brainwash> always forgetting about this
[16:43] <slickymaster> brainwash, just a FYI http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729477
[16:44] <ochosi> brainwash: i'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers, so also no kms, still not sure what resolution issues you have
[16:45] <brainwash> slickymaster: great, but I still feel that we need to fix this
[16:46] <brainwash> ochosi: my virtual console does not support my native resolution (amd bios limitation)
[16:46] <slickymaster> brainwash: yes, you're right. But apparently the package does have a maintainer, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:48] <brainwash> slickymaster: nice, so lets give him some time to read the report and comment on it :)
[16:50] <brainwash> ochosi: I recall that some indicators are visible, but don't show any menu when the screen is locked
[16:51] <brainwash> like the session selector
[16:51] <brainwash> no wait
[16:51] <ochosi> yeah
[16:51] <ochosi> that's supposed to be like that
[16:51] <brainwash> that wasn't the latest version of the greeter
[16:51] <ochosi> we're planning to hide them
[16:52] <ochosi> or make them look "insensitive"
[16:52] <ochosi> because you can't change your session or language as long as it's running
[16:53] <brainwash> right, got a bit confused, because a local installation of the greeter also ships with an "empty" copy of the greeter config file
[16:53] <brainwash> not using the xubuntu default one
[16:58] <brainwash> ochosi: yeah, the res change is the issue, makes the vt switch really ugly
[16:58] <brainwash> I'll test it on another machine then
[18:03] <ochosi> i'm sometimes wondering whether a little helper app to switch between a couple of predefined panel-layouts could be helpful for new users
[18:04] <knome> ochosi, ++ if it can also save panel layouts
[18:05] <ochosi> i was thinking it could offer stuff like "windows-like layout", gnome2-layout, etc
[18:05] <ochosi> only thing is only panel-internal plugins could be used
[18:05] <knome> ochosi, sure, but it wouldn't be too hard to save panel layouts, right?
[18:05] <ochosi> or it'd have to do more complex checks for what's installed
[18:05] <ochosi> yeah, they're just xml files
[18:05] <knome> yep
[18:06] <knome> bluesabre, lderan: ping
[18:06] <knome> ^ idea for you next little pet project
[18:06] <ochosi> it could basically be a script with a graphical frontend
[18:06] <knome> definitely
[18:06] <ochosi> a bit like gtk-theme-config
[18:06] <ochosi> small, yet useful
[18:06] <knome> yep
[18:06] <knome> exactly
[18:07] <knome> ultimately i think things like that is what xubuntu can really "bring to the table" when discussing if xubuntu is just ubuntu+xfce or a differing experience
[18:07] <ochosi> yeah
[18:08] <ochosi> bbl
[18:10] <slickymaster> knome: you were right, it's not possible to build the translated versions of xubuntu-docs
[18:13] <knome> slickymaster, well, it is *possible*...
[18:13] <knome> i just don't know how
[18:13] <slickymaster> knome: that meke two if us :)
[18:13] <slickymaster> make ^^
[18:13] <slickymaster> well have to go now. bbl
[18:35] <Unit193> knome: http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/desktop-guide/ ?
[18:37] <ali1234> ochosi: couldn't it install the necessary plugins with packagekit?
[18:38] <ali1234> a bit like how gstreamer plugins get installed
[18:38] <Unit193> knome: pt and ru seem most complete.
[18:40] <ali1234> it would be good if it backed up the user's current config too
[18:46] <brainwash> mmh, predefined panel configurations aren't really that useful, but a tool to save and switch between custom ones might be helpful for the user
[18:47] <ali1234> no, predefined ones would be great
[18:47] <ali1234> the biggest problem of a customizable desktop is that 99% of all possible combinations are rubbish
[18:47] <ali1234> kind of like how nearly all random strings of letters are meaningless
[18:48] <ali1234> if it can install extra plugins with package kit that is even better
[18:49] <brainwash> sounds redundant to me, but I usually don't use any panels anyway :)
[18:50] <brainwash> however, I like the aspect of saving/restoring panel configurations
[18:50] <knome> Unit193, that. did you do that manually or with a Makefile?
[19:21] <Unit193> knome: Define "manually" ?  I didn't add it to the makefile because I'm better with bash. :P
[19:22] <knome> feel free to share your script
[19:22] <knome> i'm looking at stuff around that now
[19:23] <pleia2> knome: do we want to tweet/blog post wallpaper call?
[19:23] <pleia2> or keep it small this time around?
[19:23] <knome> dunno.
[19:23] <knome> you can decide :)
[19:24] <pleia2> decisions!
[19:24] <knome> talk with ochosi if you're unable to
[19:30] <Unit193> Hrm, I just deleted the po dir, I needed that and not sure how to get it back without a re-clone.  :P
[19:31] <ali1234> git checkout po
[19:32] <Unit193> bzr, and it didn't like that.
[19:33] <ali1234> i don't know how to do this with bzr
[19:33] <ali1234> usually i just go to #bzr and say "how do i do git checkout with bzr?"
[19:33] <ali1234> this really annoys them
[19:34] <Unit193> Hah, niice!
[20:10] <Unit193> knome: You be slacking for sure on the fi translation. ;)
[20:11] <Unit193> Some ENTs are invalid too.
[20:37] <Unit193> knome: http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/ is a random mockup just so you can see all languages, but that'll get overwritten Sunday (script runs to bzr pull and re-up)
[20:49] <Unit193> http://paste.debian.net/65696/ for example.
[20:55] <knome> Unit193, hah.
[20:56] <Unit193> Updated my gen script so an automated run will include the translated links.
[20:56] <knome> yup
[20:56] <knome> wondering if there should be a somewhat different all-languages landing page
[20:57] <Unit193> 00 07 */3 * *   Oh, changed it from Sunday after all.
[20:57] <Unit193> But yes, guessing the pot file isn't correct?
[20:59]  * knome shrugs
[21:00] <knome> should look into it
[21:01] <knome> we also need to make the header title non-image
[21:01] <knome> but um
[21:01] <knome> what was your build script?
[21:01] <knome> Unit193, ^
[21:02] <Unit193> I edited scripts/translate.sh and ran a couple lines, now in my normal update script.  It works, but don't think it's proper.
[21:02] <knome> oki
[21:02] <knome> that script was quite messed up.
[21:02] <knome> not completely, but it wasn't perfect either
[21:03] <knome> we also should use some limit value
[21:03] <knome> eg. only show translations n% done
[21:03] <knome> for po4a-translate (another tool) the default was 80%.
[21:03] <knome> which sounds pretty accurate
[21:03] <knome> but i don't know how to calculate that percentage across all the files
[21:04] <knome> and re: the finnish translation, that was just a test to make sure the automatic translation updates were working :P
[21:04] <knome> but i suppose i could take a weekend and tap it in
[21:05] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/tjJPLkIztfnVRnPcW0de/ still isn't proper, but it's all I needed to change to get it working.
[21:05] <knome> mm,
[21:06] <Unit193> And of course the other half. :P
[21:06] <knome> bleh.
[21:06] <Unit193> '$doc' isn't used, but I left choose_language ${doc} ${lang}  rather than fixing for one example. :D
[21:06] <knome> did that create a lot of lang (eg. "pt") directories in the wrong place, like all parent directories it could write to?
[21:07] <Unit193> Hah, it tried to turn all files into dirs because of the cd .. thing. :D
[21:09] <knome> heh.
[21:10] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/0qyqEGXPKgc4UJ1BLXNS/ is the jist of it, but just the function, still have the rest of the script to fully generate, sed a line or two, and upload.
[21:11] <knome> what's $dir?
[21:12] <knome> i'm wondering what directory structure we want
[21:14] <Unit193> 1. Check the script.  2. Check the site.  3. for dir in `ls | grep -ve po -e Makefile -e libs -e C` == the language name.
[21:15] <knome> so if i got it right, includes are copied once per language?
[21:15] <Unit193> Yep, but could easily be fixed I just was trying to stay close to default.
[21:16] <knome> was thinking the same at this point as well.
[21:16] <knome> but we could move C to a subdirectory as well
[21:16] <knome> then simply have one includes-dir
[21:17] <knome> and it would be consistent regarding relative path for everything
[21:17] <Unit193> I have it in en_US.
[21:44] <knome> slickymaster, http://unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/
[21:45] <slickymaster> fabulous knome. Now it's much easier for me to proofread it
[21:46] <slickymaster> I would love to know how did he build it, though
[21:46] <knome> note that it's not the latest one though
[21:46] <knome> there are various ways to do it, but you probably want to let Unit193 do it :)
[21:47] <slickymaster> knome, not the latest one? what do you mean?
[21:47] <knome> slickymaster, short answer: xml2po or po4a-translate then xsltproc
[21:47] <knome> slickymaster, not all the translated strings are up-to-date
[21:47] <knome> (yet)
[21:47] <Unit193> slickymaster: That's built on a   00 07 */3 * *   cronjob.
[21:47] <knome> and it depends on LP running the automatic translation updates as well
[21:48] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193 Got it
[21:49] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193 well it's a pretty decent start
[21:49] <slickymaster> point for what I need any way
[21:49] <knome> yep
[21:49] <Unit193> Also, if that site is too slow, it's "mirrored" at http://vanir.unit193.tk/xubuntu/pt/
[21:49] <slickymaster> thank you both guys
[21:49] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:49] <knome> yep, no problem
[21:50] <Unit193> Glad it's actually helpful.
[21:50] <knome> hopefully we'll get something usable in the trusty images ASAP
[21:50] <slickymaster> Unit193, the response seems pretty decent, but it's good the know the mirror url
[21:59] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193, at a first glance, it's noticeable that there are still quite a few items untranslated
[21:59] <knome> yep, that should be fixed soon enough
[21:59]  * Unit193 didn't do any, not his fault. ;P
[21:59] <Unit193> Yeah, noticed.
[22:00]  * slickymaster is convinced that Unit193 is off the hook, but knome .... hmmm
[22:01] <knome> heh
[22:04] <knome> i suck so bad at technical writing in finnish :(
[22:05] <slickymaster> that's probably because you're more used to do it in english
[22:10] <knome> definitely...
[22:11] <knome> the ugly truth is that i read and write much more english than finnish
[22:11] <slickymaster> yeah, you right about that, it's not pretty
[22:11] <knome> me neither.
[22:11] <knome> (am pretty)
[22:12] <slickymaster> when one tends to use more often a foreign language then our native one
[22:12] <Unit193> knome: I'm bad at it in English. :D
[22:13] <knome> Unit193, hah.
[22:13] <Unit193> I've seen your English, I don't want to see your Finnish. ;)
[22:13] <knome> lol
[22:13] <slickymaster> lol
[22:13] <knome> thanks...
[22:14] <knome> seriously, i'm tapping in the finnish translation, and i'm struggling to find the word for "encourage"...
[22:15] <slickymaster> knome, as we're on the translations topics, do you mind a request?
[22:15] <knome> i do mind; please tell me ;)
[22:18] <ochosi> ali1234: sure it could install plugins via packagekit. actually we could use a real packagekit implementation for parole's gstreamer plugins (if you know packagekit or wanna get to know it ;)), currently we're using a gst-internal helper-script
[22:18] <slickymaster> knome, sorry, my kid call me
[22:18] <slickymaster> knome, what I was talking about relates to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu
[22:19] <knome> ah, the slideshow translations
[22:19] <slickymaster> knome, do you think you can find the time to make it's translations available
[22:20] <knome> i'll have to look at it
[22:20] <slickymaster> yes, I was thinking that it would be nice that Trusty, at least Xubuntu, will be shipped completely Portuguese compatible
[22:21] <slickymaster> at least in what I can manage to help on that goal
[22:26] <knome> slickymaster, i think the package needs to be uploaded to trusty before you're able to translate that
[22:29] <slickymaster> knome, you're probably right. I was fiddling in LP and I noticed that the translation sharing configuration with Ubiquity Slideshow trunk series is still incomplete
[22:29] <slickymaster> knome, we'll wait
[22:30] <knome> yep, i wouldn't be too worried about it until next year
[22:30] <knome> we might want to even change the strings, so if you translated it now, some of the work might be in vain
[22:31] <slickymaster> knome, exactly and provided we can to do it before docs freeze, we'll be alright
[22:32] <knome> definitely
[22:32] <knome> no reason why we couldn't
[22:32] <slickymaster> yeap
[22:43] <ochosi> ali1234: if you wanna pick up an existing project, this is most likely a good starting point: http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-profile-manager/
[23:11] <bluesabre> knome: heyo!
[23:14] <knome> hey bluesabre :)
[23:15] <bluesabre> whats up?
[23:18] <knome> translating the docs!
[23:18] <knome> 16% done
[23:20] <bluesabre> woot!
[23:29] <knome> 18% done ;)
[23:56] <slickymaster> cy guys tomorrow


[00:42] <hml> wallyworld: do we indent error messages that go to a new line… i think i’ve seen it before, but can’t find it.
[00:43] <wallyworld> one sec, otp
[00:43] <thumper> hml: for example?
[00:43] <hml> i’m adding a line to the create back up error message… to suggest using juju switch or the -m flag
[00:47] <wallyworld> thumper: you got a sec?
[00:47] <wallyworld> hml: i can't recall one, just use no indent and see how it looks
[00:48] <thumper> wallyworld: yeah
[00:49] <wallyworld> thumper: see pm for link
[00:56] <wgrant> Am I good to upgrade my test controller to 2.2.9?
[01:00] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: ^^^^ ho'ws the release?
[01:01] <babbageclunk> wgrant: streams aren't updated yet
[01:01] <wgrant> AH heh
[01:08]  * thumper afk for a bit to run kids around
[01:08] <thumper> bbl
[06:03] <axw> wallyworld: there's probably a more appropriate place to fix this, but I don't know who/what/where/how, and this works: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8268
[06:03] <wallyworld> axw: yeah, looking now
[06:03] <axw> ta
[06:31] <babbageclunk> wgrant: sorry for the delay - 2.2.9 should be available for you to upgrade your test controller now
[20:31] <balloons> babbageclunk, looks like you got through everything yesterday in the end
[20:32] <babbageclunk> balloons: yup - can I talk through the steps with you before I update the template?
[20:33] <balloons> babbageclunk, absolutely. I think you hit the same issue in verify-upgrade I did -- it seems like a juju bug
[20:33] <balloons> that is; you can't upgrade to a specific agent in the proposed stream
[20:34] <babbageclunk> Right - we have code that picks a stream based on the version number, so we'll only look in proposed if the version's an rc.
[20:36] <babbageclunk> I guess adding an agent-stream option to upgrade-juju would do it.
[20:36] <balloons> babbageclunk, that does kind of ruin our cautionary steps then at pushing to proposed first
[20:37] <balloons> babbageclunk, but that's nice to know it's intentional. The verify-upgrade test though needs some love either way, so I'm glad you got so experience with it
[20:41] <babbageclunk> I was going to suggest always looking in proposed when there's a specified version, but I guess that also would break the safety of being able to try upgrading before it was released...
[20:41] <babbageclunk> Or does it?
[20:41] <babbageclunk> Actually I think that would be ok.
[20:41] <babbageclunk> And probably not difficult.
[20:57] <balloons> babbageclunk, so shall we chat now?
[20:59] <babbageclunk> balloons: yes please...
[20:59] <babbageclunk> just making a ho
[21:00] <babbageclunk> balloons: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/balloons?authuser=1
[21:02]  * balloons twiddles thumbs waiting for google
[21:03] <balloons> babbageclunk, hmm.. apparently I can't connect to hangouts
[21:03] <babbageclunk> It took me a few goes - maybe they're having issues?
[21:04] <balloons> now i don't see you in the call.. sigh
[21:05] <babbageclunk> weird - I'm there
[21:05] <babbageclunk> now I'm getting an error too.
[21:32] <anastasiamac> balloons: babbageclunk: wanna take it into release call?
[21:33] <balloons> trying to join yes


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[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[18:48] <aboudreault> I'm currently upgrading a package that was using autoconf to cmake. any recommendation? should I just do things manually in the debian/rules?
[19:51] <cjwatson> aboudreault: Not sure I agree that's an upgrade :-)  But dh has a cmake buildsystem and you should probably just let it use that
[19:51] <aboudreault> ok
[20:54] <MentalPower|Work> Hey all, I'm trying to generate a .deb file for libxdiff for precise, but the packages I build have everything except the library binaries themselves. I know they're being created (they're in the build directory if I cancel builddeb midway).
[20:54] <MentalPower|Work> Any ideas?
[20:59] <ari-tczew> MentalPower|Work: how do you "generate" .deb file?
[20:59] <MentalPower|Work> bzr builddeb -- -us -uc
[21:02] <ari-tczew> MentalPower|Work: if it's really bzr branch, I'd use first "bzr bd -S" to build the source files
[21:02] <ari-tczew> MentalPower|Work: than use pbuilder to build .dsc file
[21:05] <ari-tczew> MentalPower|Work: sorry, I mean use pbuilder-dist to build _from_ .dsc file. then you find .debs as output in ~/pbuilder/*
[21:05] <ari-tczew> if you want to get .debs for precise, use pbuilder-dist precise
[21:06] <MentalPower|Work> ok, trying that
[21:07] <ari-tczew> cool
[21:08] <MentalPower|Work> same story: empty-binary-package
[21:17] <cjwatson> MentalPower|Work: there are several possible reasons - it'd probably be easier for somebody to investigate given a pointer to your source package
[21:17] <MentalPower|Work> ok, let me throw up the bzr branch somewhere
[21:20] <cjwatson> (currently fighting an X startup failure, so may be delayed and hopefully somebody else can step in)
[21:27] <MentalPower|Work> hey guys, I was about to push the bzr branch, but I noticed some misnamed files, libxdiff1.dirs/install when it should've been libxdiff0.dirs/install
[21:27] <MentalPower|Work> so layer 8
[21:28] <MentalPower|Work> thanks for the help anyways :)
[21:30] <cjwatson> MentalPower|Work: that'd do it
[21:30] <MentalPower|Work> cjwatson: indeed
[21:30] <cjwatson> (note that .dirs is usually unnecessary, unless you're either manually installing files in debian/rules after creating those directories, or deliberately creating empty directories)


[11:05] <LjL> iwkse: and you use *either* compiz or beryl as a window manager
[11:05] <dougsko> nanomike: /etc/postfix/main.conf, either that or master.conf
[11:06] <iwkse> LjL: yes i catch it..i was just asking which is working better
[11:06] <iwkse> with ati...
[11:06] <we2by> guys, any backupp tool??
[11:06] <tom47> avitale ask again maybe someone else can help
[11:06] <Lattyware> iwkse: Best bet is to use AGILX, if you can use it. XGL is more CPU intensive, but can be used on more stuff.
[11:06] <steveire> kitche: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#head-f7a1accd6e8e139773b9b334f964e209b6d9ff84 <<< That's the nearest I can find to any info on this. Can you do any better>
[11:06] <LjL> iwkse i think with ATI you're stuck with XGL.
[11:06] <nanomike> dougsko: Yes, but i can't seem to google/find what to put in it. So it will understand what port to use
[11:06] <dougsko> we2by: cron and tar?
[11:06] <ogamiitto_> Can I add songs to an ipod conected to ubuntu edgy with rhythmbox
[11:06] <Nicky> is it possible to play encrypted dvd's?
[11:06] <ogamiitto_> ?
[11:06] <LjL> iwkse: anyway join #ubuntu-xgl - that's the channel for that stuff. even if nobody's hanging around, just read the topic, there are complete howto's
[11:06] <we2by> dougsko: one with a gui :\
[11:06] <narrchy> latty, i wanted ubuntu to run from my computer instead of cd
[11:06] <iwkse> LjL: cause of Direct Rendering?
[11:06] <dougsko> nanomike: hold on, let me look
[11:06] <narrchy> i am using knoppix live right now
[11:06] <iwkse> LjL: ok, thanks
[11:07] <narrchy> an thought ubuntu was for permanent
[11:07] <Lattyware> narrchy: You run it from CD, then run the installer inside that to put it on your PC
[11:07] <we2by> one with options like if if I only want to backup my config files etc
[11:07] <LjL> iwkse: no, 'cause of some missing hardware acceleration feature
[11:07] <jsleeper> i wish he would decide if he wants out or in
[11:07] <narrchy> an if i do that, will i be able to have some sort of "dual boot" windows/ ubuntu
[11:07] <tannerld> hmm
[11:07] <nanomike> dougsko: Cool, thanks
[11:07] <Lattyware> narrchy: Yes.
[11:07] <avitale> Hey ALL... I am having a serious problem, my termial, Azereus , and some other applications are just disappearing from the panel after them are launched
[11:07] <jsleeper> oops, disregard last
[11:07] <narrchy> is that difficult to set up?
[11:07] <avitale> I have tried restarting the computer and just x-server
[11:07] <Lattyware> You will have GRUB - which will give you a menu at boot so you can choose between the two.
[11:07] <Lattyware> It's automatic.
[11:08] <Wodger> nicky if you dig about on the ubuntu help pages there is way to play encriped dvd's yes
[11:08] <narrchy> oh sweet
[11:08] <dougsko> nanomike: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2002-04/1138.html
[11:08] <we2by> any software with pop3 client and rss integrated???
[11:08] <kitche> steveire: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview?highlight=%28oem%29#head-f7a1accd6e8e139773b9b334f964e209b6d9ff84 what the oem install looks like
[11:08] <Cranky> we2by, Have you looked at Kontact with Kmail and Kaggregator?
[11:08] <Nicky> Wodger, i've spent more than two hours and i really can get anything that solves me prob. I'm new to ubuntu
[11:09] <Nicky> *my
[11:09] <nanomike> dougsko: Thanks man... Been searching forever... never find anything, lol. Thanks again
[11:09] <steveire> kitche: Very good. Thanks.
[11:09] <we2by> Cranky, I'm running gnome
[11:09] <avitale>  Hey ALL... I am having a serious problem, my termial, Azereus , and some other applications are just disappearing from the panel after them are launched ... I have tried restarting the computer and just x-server......Anyone have an idea?????
[11:09] <we2by> don't wanna installk kde libs
[11:09] <dougsko> nanomike: np
[11:09] <LjL> we2by: under KDE, Kontact
[11:09] <mc44> !dvd | Nicky
[11:09] <ubotu> Nicky: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:10] <iwkse> !aiglx
[11:10] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-xgl for support.
[11:10] <Lattyware> we2by: Any of the e-mail apps? Evolution, Thunderbird.
[11:10] <codyman> i have an nforce3 built in soundcard to my laptop but I am trying to use my usb-audio device for sound instead... yet the system keeps defaulting to the nforce3, how can i change that?
[11:10] <mikeo1f> man opera 9 with flash player 9 for linux is the shit
[11:10] <mikeo1f> native fp9 is like 1000x faster than wine fp9
[11:10] <Cranky> I don't believe Evolution has RSS reading capabilities, Lattyware
[11:11] <mc44> !ohmy | mikeo1f
[11:11] <ubotu> mikeo1f: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:11] <Lattyware> Cranky: Oh, you are right, my mistake. Thunderbird only then :P
[11:11] <LjL> !info sylpheed-claws-gtk2-feeds-reader | we2by (sylpheed-claws being a mail client)
[11:11] <ubotu> sylpheed-claws-gtk2-feeds-reader: Feeds (RSS/Atom) reader plugin for Sylpheed-Claws GTK2. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0~rc3-1build1 (edgy), package size 62 kB, installed size 344 kB
[11:11] <avitale>  Hey ALL... I am having a serious problem, my termial, Azereus , and some other applications are just disappearing from the panel after them are launched ... I have tried restarting the computer and just x-server......Anyone have an idea?????.. ANY help is appreciated
[11:11] <Lattyware> I just use google personalised homepage to store my RSS feeds.
[11:11] <Lattyware> Extra apps are just useless clutter for me.
[11:11] <Cranky> I use firefox
[11:12] <dnite> i just tried to remove totem, and now i get a message saying that rhythmbox and gedit (and a couple others) were installed automatically and can be removed with autoremove.. but.. i don't want them to ever be autoremoved.. can i remove the automaticly installed status from them?
[11:12] <rioghal> we2by, liferea is a nice RSS reader
[11:12] <Jinkguns> I had a disk I cant mount.
[11:12] <Jinkguns> And I cant figure out the filesystem
[11:12] <Jinkguns> ideas?
[11:12] <Jinkguns> *have
[11:12] <LjL> Jinkguns: volumeid didn't help?
[11:13] <tannerld> ok this is odd
[11:13] <rioghal> Jinkguns, you dont mount a device, you mount a file system. if the device has a file system that cannot be read, or is not able to identify, then the device wont be usable.
[11:13] <tannerld> a few programs (terminal, skype, gaim, gedit...) will not open when I click on the icon. they look like they'll open, but then they don't :\
[11:14] <LjL> tannerld: launch them from the terminal and see what the error is
[11:14] <iwkse> tannerld: try to open from terminal
[11:14] <rioghal> tannerld, open those apps in a term and see if there is any error output
[11:14] <rioghal> hehe
[11:14] <tannerld> eheh
[11:14] <Jinkguns> rioghal: I'd like to figure out the filesystem, this is 10 year old research data that is important. If I have to, I'll compile a custom kernel.
[11:14] <Luzer> howdy all
[11:14] <Jinkguns> LjL: I don't know if I was using Vol_Id correctly or not. What is the proper usage?
[11:15] <Mersault> How can I configure ubuntu to use DHCP on eth0 to get ip/subnet mask, etc, but not set it as the default gateway? I have a pppoe connection through eth1 that I want to use as the default gateway. I don't want the machine be a router, but I want it to straddle both networks
[11:15] <Stanislav> Hello, does anyone know how to get Ubuntu to identify a GeForce 7600GT?
[11:15] <rioghal> Jinkguns, sounds like it might be UFS
[11:15] <Stanislav> Its working, but in device manager its unknown device
[11:15] <we2by> if I can make the beagle-search window smaller, it would be cool :(
[11:15] <we2by> too bad I have a small screen
[11:15] <LjL> Jinkguns, i don't know, it just came from an APT search. if that fails what i'd do is use "hd /dev/whatever" (or some more advanced hex viewer/editor perhaps) and see if there's some string that can give you a clue about the filesystem
[11:15] <avitale> Hey ALL... I am having a serious problem, my termial, Azereus , and some other applications are just disappearing from the panel after them are launched ... I have tried restarting the computer and just x-server......Anyone have an idea?????
[11:16] <tannerld> LjL iwkse rioghal: Its not really saying anything; curser just blinks...
[11:16] <LjL> Jinkguns: anyway the usage should simply be "sudo vol_id /dev/blah"
[11:16] <rioghal> tannerld, is it just that one file?
[11:16] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell jovans about away | jovans, you have a private message from Ubotu
[11:16] <brett_> How to change what a link points to?
[11:17] <alejo> hola
[11:17] <tannerld> rioghal: I've tried it with gaim, skype, and gedit. I'm too scared to shutdown the others and see if they come up.
[11:17] <alejo> hi
[11:17] <LjL> Jinkguns: you have no idea what sort of computer that drive was being used in?
[11:18] <dougsko> Mersault: just use dhcp, have it set the gw, but then change it manually, like this: route add default gw <IP of gateway>
[11:18] <we2by> my taskbar is full of launcher
[11:18] <we2by> :(
[11:18] <tom47> !away
[11:18] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[11:18] <odin> brett_ : just delete the link and recreate it.
[11:18] <styvy> Jinkguns, fsck device without beeing mounted might show fs
[11:18] <Jinkguns> bfortino@natsuki:~$ sudo vol_id /dev/sdb
[11:18] <Jinkguns> bfortino@natsuki:~$
[11:18] <Jinkguns> hm
[11:18] <Jinkguns> I get no return data
[11:18] <brett_> odin, but how to create it? or update an existing one?  :-s
[11:18] <LjL> Jinkguns, that's a drive - filesystems resides on *partitions* on a drive. so, /dev/sdb1 or similar
[11:18] <avitale> Hey ALL... I am having a serious problem, my termial, Azereus , and some other applications are just disappearing from the panel after them are launched ... I have tried restarting the computer and just x-server......Anyone have an idea?????
[11:18] <Mersault> dougsko: where's the best place to set this so it happens after a reboot? rc.local, or is there someplace else (/etc/networks/interfaces, etc) that would work better?
[11:18] <LjL> Jinkguns: if there's no partition table, well... tough luck!
[11:18] <dougsko> Mersault: btw, a device that straddles two or more networks *is* a router
[11:18] <Jinkguns> LjL: No, no idea. Two of the disks are marked Unix, the other, no idea.
[11:19] <ogamitto> how do I put music on my ipod with ryhthmbox?
[11:19] <narrchy> how hard is cedega to find on bittorrent?
[11:19] <odin> brett_: no update....to change the link you have to delete it and recreate it. the command is 'ln -s <object> <linkname>
[11:19] <LjL> Jinkguns, look at the partitions. type "sfdisk --list /dev/sdb"
[11:19] <kitche> JinkGuns: do sudo vol_is /dev/sdb1 and see if it returns
[11:19] <Jinkguns> ID_FS_TYPE=hfs
[11:19] <Jinkguns> AHA
[11:19] <brett_> odin, thanks
[11:19] <LjL> Jinkguns: then it was a Mac drive i guess
[11:19] <Mersault> dougsko: it's not routing any traffic between them, and I don't want people telling me how to configure the iptables for that. better to avoid confusion
[11:20] <Jinkguns> Its HFS?! Wtf. All the other disks are HFS! They worked fine!
[11:20] <odin> dougsko: unless it is a gateway <smile>
[11:20] <kitche> Jinkguns: the other drives were probably hfs+ whiel that one is hfs
[11:20] <LjL> Jinkguns, perhaps this one will work as well... when you mount the *partition* and not attempt to mount the drive itself
[11:20] <Jinkguns> LjL: These are SyQuest disks, 135 mb hot swappable disks from 1996.
[11:20] <dougsko> Mersault: well, you want it to happen after it does dhcp, so rc.local should work
[11:20] <LjL> well, apparently this one was partitioned
[11:20] <dougsko> odin: this is true
[11:21] <Jinkguns> LjL: I love you.
[11:21] <Jinkguns> Marry me?
[11:21] <rioghal> lol
[11:21] <LjL> uhm, no :P
[11:21] <Jinkguns> ACK
[11:21] <Jinkguns> your name is Lorenzo, a man. ;(
[11:21] <odin> Mersault: there is a file in /etc that you can use to define the default route ...I just can't remember the name of it right now
[11:23] <Ferret_> Hey I got a question here, I've been looking around on the forum and couldn't find an answer.
[11:23] <narrchy> is OpenOffice available for Ubuntu?
[11:23] <bhudda> Yes...
[11:23] <Ferret_> I'm trying to put Ubuntu on my iBook and the CD drive on it is dead so I can't use the CDs, all I got is an iPod, is it possible to install from that one?
[11:23] <Jaws> narrchy, it comes with it by default
[11:23] <narrchy> and can save as .ppt (PowerPoint) and .doc (Word) files?
[11:24] <bhudda> Yep!
[11:24] <narrchy> awesome
[11:24] <bhudda> OO is a great program
[11:24] <bhudda> s...
[11:24] <Jaws> narrchy, yes it does both
[11:24] <dougsko> Ferret_: if you can boot from a usb device, yes
[11:24] <Ferret_> It's firewire I'm using.
[11:24] <dougsko> Ferret_: ok, same answer
[11:25] <dougsko> s/usb/firewire
[11:25] <Ferret_> How'd I go about doing it?
[11:25] <tom47> has anyone else noticed firefox beginning to start (ie appearing on task bar) but then just vanishing?
[11:25] <dougsko> Ferret_: first, ask google...
[11:25] <dougsko> Ferret_: www.gomaya.com/glyph/archives/000939.html
[11:26] <dougsko> Ferret_: forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?p=335925
 sounds like my problem man
[11:26] <Jaws> tom47, does your homepage have flash in it?
[11:26] <tom47> Jaws ummm its google
[11:26] <Ferret_> Thanks, I've been searching around for a while only managed to come up with pages about installing linux -on- the iPod.
 but not with other apps
[11:26] <Jaws> tom47, hmm nvm i have no idea then
[11:27] <tom47> ty
[11:27] <dougsko> Ferret_: did you read the first link?
[11:27] <Jaws> tom47, only thing i can think of would be to make sure your display is on 24bit just incase
[11:27] <Jaws> tom47, because flash crashes my browser if its set to something else
[11:27] <itrebal> how can I get GTK 2.6.0? its not in any of the packages I've found
[11:28] <tom47> Jaws ah ok
[11:28] <avitale> tom47 is it firefox 2.0?
[11:28] <Ferret_> dougsko - Jah I did, and I tried that too.
[11:28] <tom47> no i think i am 1.5
[11:28] <Ferret_> Tells me how to install OS X on the iPod, I want to install Ubunto -from- the iPod but I can't get it to boot.
[11:28] <styvy> Ferret, imho ibook can only run yellowdog linux, no other distro (it's a mac, isn't it?)
[11:28] <Aar0n[a] > Hi
[11:28] <Aar0n[a] > Is Ubuntu Media Centre an offcial release?
[11:29] <Ferret_> styvy - Nah I can run ubuntu as well, back when my CD drive still worked I used the live CD on it.
[11:29] <kitche> Aar0n: no it's done by a different community
[11:29] <tom47> Jaws what is the shortest way to check for 24 bit ???
[11:30] <Aar0n[a] > Hi
[11:30] <Aar0n[a] > Oops
[11:30] <Jaws> tom47, go to terminal, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:30] <tom47> ah yes y
[11:31] <LjL> tom47: or just "xdpyinfo | grep bits_per_pixel"
[11:31] <rioghal> Jaws, tom47 its best to use gksu or gksudo with gui apps rahter than sudo. sudo is for cli apps, gksu/gksudo is for gui apps.
[11:32] <Jaws> LjL, hmm ddnt know about that
[11:32] <Jaws> rioghal, oh ok didn't know that
[11:33] <rioghal> !gksudo | Jaws
[11:33] <ubotu> Jaws: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using sudo {guiapp}
[11:33] <chalcedony>  dpkg parse errors, whenever someone tries to do a sudo apt-get install blah
[11:33] <chalcedony> ?
[11:34] <unfo> hi all, I am trying to install Java 1.3 on Ubuntu 6.06.1.  How do I do I cause apt-get to ignore dependencies?  The documentation seems unclear on this.
[11:34] <itrebal> how can I get GTK 2.6.0? its not in any of the packages I've found; must I go from source? I *really* don't want to do that
[11:34] <kud0s> unfo: why would you want to ignore dependencies?
[11:35] <LjL> itrebal: why gtk 2.6.0? isn't it wxgtk perhaps that you want? (since *that* one is a version 3.6)
[11:35] <LjL> 2 even
[11:35] <dougsko> Ferret_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent?highlight=%28LiveUsb%29
[11:36] <ActivE> Does anyone know why my ati remote wonder may not be working. The ati-remote module is running. No commands are recieved through xeb.
[11:36] <itrebal> LjL: I'm trying to compile PHP-GTK 2.0.0, "configure: error: PHP-GTK 2.x requires GTK+ 2.6.0 or higher"
[11:36] <LjL> itrebal: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[11:37] <itrebal> :/ I thought I already got that one, thanks!
[11:37] <Ferret_> dougsko - I don't want to install linux on the iPod, I want to be able to install -from- it. Like some how copy the CD-image of the install CD to the iPod and install on the iBooks own hardisk.
[11:37] <shingalated> does anyone have any ideas for what I could use for widgets in beryl?
[11:38] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell shingalated about beryl | shingalated, you have a private message from Ubotu
[11:38] <unfo> kud0s: "j2re1.3: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not installable". xlibs is replaced by xkeyboard-config + libxft1. I want to try those and see if they do the trick.
[11:38] <dougsko> Ferret_: yes i know, thats what that how to is for
[11:38] <dougsko> Ferret_: you have to put it on it before you can boot from it and install form it
[11:40] <Ferret_> Why do I have to install ubuntu on my iPod? I got the CD image of the install file.
[11:40] <dougsko> Ferret_: maybe you can just put the .iso file of the install disk on it and boot from the ipod
[11:40] <kud0s> you can run ubuntu from your ipod?!?
[11:41] <Ferret_> Probably that's not my problem though
[11:41] <Ferret_> dougsko - Well I assume I gotta make the drive bootable some how.
[11:41] <rioghal> Ferret_, the install cd is bootable, is your ipod 'bootable'?
[11:41] <Ferret_> I'm assuming it isn't. I wanna find a way to make it.
[11:42] <dougsko> Ferret_: right, there a section in that last link i posted, about making it bootable
[11:42] <itrebal> thanks, LjL!
[11:42] <kud0s> Ferret: from what i understand you want o make your ipod a bootable device so you can run the live cd from it?!
[11:42] <TektoN> Whats an RPM?
[11:42] <TektoN> Somthign Package Management?
[11:43] <kud0s> !rpm | Tekton
[11:43] <ubotu> Tekton: rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[11:43] <TektoN> haha
[11:43] <TektoN> ok
[11:44] <kud0s> as good as apt-get but i prefer .deb
[11:44] <graft> i'm not sure that there's much practical difference
[11:44] <unfo> TektoN: is there a certain program you want to install on your PC?
[11:44] <kud0s> I like .deb because heir supported in ubuntu by default =D
[11:44] <graft> other than the particulars of how file systems are organized, of course...
[11:45] <Jinkguns> When trying to mount a disk, what would the error output be referring to as MDB?
[11:45] <kud0s> !mdb
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:45] <Sobert> someone knows when the libapache2-mod-mono package will be released in the good version on edgy ?
[11:45] <dougsko> Ferret_: what OS you running now?
[11:45] <Jinkguns> [17198711.240000]  hfs: unable to locate alternate MDB
[11:45] <kud0s> Jinkguns: i think its something to do with the master boot partition
[11:45] <Jinkguns> yeah
[11:46] <Jinkguns> thats what I kind of thought too
[11:46] <Jinkguns> Which would mean the disk is unusuable
[11:46] <kud0s> look on www.acronymfinder.com to get an exact translation
[11:46] <TektoN> unfo looking to install vmware.. my first attempt didnt go so well, but that might have to do with not having a webserver installed or somthing..
[11:46] <globe> I am getting the error "could not start kstartupconfig" from my newly installed kde session, and KDE will not start.  Anybody want to help me get to the bottom of this?
[11:47] <kud0s> Jinkgus: when do you get the message, it could mean that the boot partition needs to be re written
[11:47] <dougsko> TektoN: tip...dont use the vmware package in the repos, get the installer right off vmware's site
[11:47] <justin_> If everything works properly and well in Dapper, is there any big reason to switch to Edgy?
[11:47] <sethk> justin_, no
[11:47] <dougsko> justin_: none
[11:47] <Ferret_> dougsko - On the iBook it's OS X 10.4.6 (I think) it's 10.4.something at any rate.
[11:47] <iwkse> there's a repo for new ati drivers, 8.35.1?
[11:47] <sethk> globe, has KDE ever started on this box, or is it a new install?
[11:47] <mc44> justin_: yeah, if you like a little excitement in your life :p
[11:47] <Ferret_> Got a stationary comupter with WinXP on it.
[11:47] <iwkse> there's a repo for new ati drivers, 8.31.5
[11:47] <justin_> Alrighty so I guess i'll stay
[11:47] <iwkse> :p
[11:47] <dougsko> Ferret_: you might be able to try this method: http://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html
[11:47] <justin_> mc44: No, im laid back :P
[11:47] <TektoN> i did, im installing the package using the binary
[11:48] <justin_> Im a "lazy" user haha
[11:48] <globe> sethk: it is a new install of kde.  It run xfce fine
[11:48] <Twinxor> newest OS X is 10.4.8, iirc
[11:48] <dougsko> justin_: nothin lazy about having a working system :)
[11:48] <sethk> globe, try starting it from a command line, so you can see what errors are reported
[11:49] <Ferret_> Twinxor - Thassa one.
[11:49] <justin_> dougsko: 0_o do things break when upgrading to edgy?  I see
[11:50] <sethk> globe, you want X to be running, but not gdm.  Then you execute (from the command line) startkde
[11:50] <AndyR> hi all
[11:51] <globe> sethk: how do I start x w/o gdm?
[11:51] <we2by> guys, any one here uses xchat?
[11:51] <mc44> globe: startx?
[11:51] <Jaws> we2by, yes
[11:51] <sethk> globe, X
[11:51] <sethk> startx will start a window manager, ordinarily
[11:51] <mc44> ah, sorry
[11:52] <ortega10> is there any easy gui utility for transcoding audio (mp3 to wma / ogg whatever)?
[11:52] <Jaws> we2by, why?
[11:52] <mc44> ortega10: SoundConverter
[11:53] <ortega10> mc44: this one right? soundconverter.berlios.de
[11:53] <justin_> lol
[11:53] <kud0s> ortega10: i use a utiity in windows called goldwave, you can read/write to any format assuming you have the correct codec, im sure there's a linux alternative
[11:53] <justin_> Jaws: haha I thought your nick said "Jews" -- I was like wow, someone is very proud :P
[11:53] <mc44> orgjust get it from the repositories; sudo apt-get install soundconverter
[11:53] <globe> sethk: okay.  X is running (I get a hash bkground and an X cursor).  startkde says 'kpersonalizer: cannot connect to x server'
[11:53] <we2by> Jaws: Xchat crashed alot lately
[11:53] <mc44> ortega10: just get it from the repositories; sudo apt-get install soundconverter
[11:53] <we2by> I use gnome-xchat
[11:53] <Stanislav> I tried to uninstall my NVIDIA drivers to reinstall them and now my Ubuntu wont even boot.. it says File not found on grub
[11:53] <Jaws> justin_: ahah thats funny
[11:53] <Stanislav> anyone have any ideas?
[11:53] <unfo> TektoN: the real problem is that vmware doesn't provide .deb packages.  I suggest you write to feedback @ vmware.com requesting them.  Also request that the MOTU's create a Vmware Server package if they are legally allowed to.
[11:53] <unfo> You can contact the Ubuntu MOTU's on their mailing list.
[11:54] <Mersault> How do I tell Ubuntu to not let dhcp set the default gateway?
[11:54] <ortega10> mc44: thanks a lot
[11:54] <Jaws> we2by, hmm havent had it crash on me yet
[11:54] <justin_> globe: Do you have Kpersonalizer?
[11:54] <LjL> unfo, TektoN, well, we do have VMWare Player packages
[11:54] <justin_> globe: X usually spits out a whole bunch of so called "errors" most of them are not fatal in the least
[11:54] <we2by> Jaws: what are you using? xchat or gnome-xchat??
[11:55] <AndyR> can anyone help with acpi on a compaq evo not reporting battery status
[11:55] <globe> justin_: if it comes with kde-core, then I would imagine so.  this error is what it is spitting until I kill it instead of showing itself.
[11:55] <[H] 3b0R> how does Edgy Eft work on Macbook?
[11:55] <justin_> globe: So KDE will not start at all?
[11:55] <we2by> [H] 3b0R: I'm on it
[11:55] <zozue49> hi everybody
[11:55] <justin_> globe: Not even if you load GDM first?
[11:55] <we2by> it works perfect except that fact that it gets kernel panic form time to time
[11:55] <[H] 3b0R> we2by: does the webcam work?
[11:55] <we2by> [H] 3b0R: dunno
[11:55] <we2by> haven't tested it yet
[11:55] <kud0s> AndyR: first are ou sure the battery's not old and knackered?
[11:55] <[H] 3b0R> ok
[11:55] <we2by> !webcam
[11:55] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[11:56] <justin_> globe: And no I do not think Kpersonalizer comes with the "core" I think its with some kde office pack
[11:56] <unfo> LjL: from who?
[11:56] <globe> justin_: nope.  I am starting it from term 2 because when I start it from gdm as a session it gives me another error
[11:56] <LjL> !info vmware-player | unfo
[11:56] <ubotu> vmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2 (edgy), package size 11602 kB, installed size 31336 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[11:56] <odin> Mersault: check /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[11:56] <AndyR> kud0s, no brand new battery today
[11:56] <we2by> [H] 3b0R: wireless etc work
[11:56] <justin_> globe strange so it simply gives you the error and hangs? or returns to $:
[11:56] <justin_> ?
[11:56] <Jaws> we2by: Well, I when I go to help->about, it tells me xchat 2.6.6, but I am running gnome, so im not sure, I got it from the repo's
[11:56] <[H] 3b0R> we2by; out of box?
[11:56] <we2by> [H] 3b0R: nope
[11:56] <kud0s> AndyR: good good, have you let it charge properly?
[11:56] <AndyR> i charged it and its run laptop for 2 hours
[11:56] <we2by> [H] 3b0R: there is guide for you to follow. it is  easy
[11:56] <sethk> globe, I should have first asked you to look at your X log file
[11:56] <[H] 3b0R> ok
[11:57] <TektoN> LjL what is a package name for the player?
[11:57] <globe> justin_: when I select KDE session from GDM "could not start kstartupconfig"
[11:57] <kitche> we2by jaws: gnome-xchat and xchat is the same program just that gnome-xchat is xchat with gnome theme I believe
[11:57] <sethk> globe, which is usually /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:57] <odin> ls
[11:57] <LjL> !info vmware-player | TektoN, i just said
[11:57] <ubotu> vmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2 (edgy), package size 11602 kB, installed size 31336 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[11:57] <we2by> if you get kernel panic, just turn it off for a few seconds and turn it back on
[11:57] <CharlieSu> Anyone use DenyHosts?
[11:57] <sethk> globe, ignore everything in the file except possibly the last few lines.
[11:57] <we2by> kitche: nope
[11:57] <globe> sethk: it is also telling me that It cannot open display
[11:57] <we2by> kitche: I think the gnome-xchat uses the xchat engine
[11:57] <bluefox83> kitche, don't say that in #xchat, xchat-gnome is not part of the official xchat project
[11:57] <justin_> globe: Oh...
[11:57] <sethk> globe, oh, sorry, you have to do this:    export DISPLAY=:0.0
[11:57] <we2by> and it added a few features
[11:57] <kud0s> AndyR: ok, have you checke your bios for different options linked with replacing the battery?
[11:58] <sorush20> !wep
[11:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:58] <globe> sethk: as an argument to startkde?
[11:58] <justin_> listen to sethk globe he's a "hacker"
[11:58] <justin_> :)
[11:58] <dope> where can i d/l some nice icons for ubuntu?
[11:58] <we2by> [H] 3b0R: oh and wpa works too! :)
[11:58] <[H] 3b0R> ok
[11:58] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell dope about themes | dope, you have a private message from Ubotu
[11:58] <kitche> bluefox83 we2by: well it's xchat just with a gnome frontend :P
[11:58] <poquedoraqu> If you have a laptop, and its cd drive isnt working, and its windows wont even boot up to the command prompt, is there any way I can install ubuntu? :(
[11:58] <AndyR> !acpi
[11:58] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[11:58] <sethk> globe, no, at the command prompt before running startkde.  With most apps you have the option of using   -d :0.0, but some apps don't follow the rule, so setting the DISPLAY environment variable is better.
[11:58] <mc44> !beryl
[11:58] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:59] <bluefox83> kitche, no it's not..and the xchat people will get super pissed at you for claiming it is
[11:59] <bluefox83> kitche, you can't even get support for gnome-xchat in #xchat
[11:59] <unfo> TektoN: ah. So you may want to email the VMware Build Team -- vmware-build @ vmware.com -- instead. They made the vmware-player package.
[11:59] <globe> sethk: okay..that is sort of working....1 sec
[12:00] <TektoN> ok
[12:00] <LjL> unfo, TektoN: anyway while the player has some limitation, i always found it quite adequate to my own needs
[12:00] <poquedoraqu> I sort of kinda tried to put a new hal.dll file in my girlfriend's system32 directory and now it wont work at all, so i have but one option: i CAN bootf rom a floppy. But this part confuses me. Ive looked into netbooting and it says i have to mess around with ip stuff, and i cant even do ANYTHING on this laptop.
[12:00] <chopchop_> hi, can anyone tell me where ubuntu storing the config file of network devices, the one contain information about the IP address, service, ...
[12:00] <TektoN> im just looking to run a windows system with networking support
[12:00] <TektoN> does the player do this?
[12:00] <LjL> Ubotu, please tell poquedoraqu about windows | poquedoraqu, you have a private message from Ubotu


[07:06] <ara> morning!
[08:22] <davmor2> Morning All
[08:24] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:47] <davmor2> ara: how did it go Monday in the end.  We were on holiday and the sites wifi was down so I couldn't join in :(
[09:11] <ara> davmor2: you don't test on your holidays!!
[09:23] <davmor2> ara: Not without wifi I don't no :(  I was however using my netbook which has UNR Jaunty on it found a couple of issue that I'm going to write up now I have wifi :)
[09:32]  * ara reboots
[12:36]  * ara -> lunch
[12:43] <jtholmes> hino ping
[12:43] <davmor2> jtholmes: who hino
[12:44] <davmor2> jtholmes: if your after heno he doesn't seem to be on irc and therefore wont see your ping anyway :)
[12:46] <jtholmes> sorry mistype heno is who i wanted thanks
[12:46] <jtholmes> davmor2, who is in charge of testing when heno is away
[12:47] <davmor2> jtholmes: just ask
[12:47] <jtholmes> who is in charge of testing in heno's absence
[12:48] <davmor2> jtholmes: sorry I meant ask what you were going to ask heno someone should be able to point you in the right direction
[12:50] <jtholmes> ok
[12:52] <jtholmes> The Use weak password dialog in the installer has the sense reversed, cjwatson made a text change last night but the sense of the choice is wrong and there really isn't a quesiton associated with the dialog
[12:52] <jtholmes> reversed=reversed
[12:52] <jtholmes> watson did not change the sense only the button text
[12:53] <davmor2> jtholmes: the yes no on use weak password
[12:53] <jtholmes> correct the yes no
[12:54] <davmor2> it is a question.  It asks if you want to use the weak password and then tells you what length the strong password should be.
[12:54] <jtholmes> no leaves you in the dialog to change your password  yes takes you to Ready to install
[12:54] <davmor2> that's correct
[12:56] <davmor2> jtholmes: the question if you look at it asks "use weak password?" so yes will continue the install and no will take you back to the password section so you can change the password.  I don't see anything wrong with that behaviour
[12:56] <davmor2> cjwatson: ^
[12:58] <jtholmes> well then the last part of the user information should say 'Do you want to choose a stronger password?' Not ' You should choose a stronger password'
[13:00] <jtholmes> it really dosen't ask 'use weak password'
[13:00] <jtholmes> it makes a statement 'You should choose a stronger password'
[13:02] <davmor2> jtholmes: you might want to take it up with the installer team
[13:02] <jtholmes> who would that be please
[13:03] <davmor2> #ubuntu-installer
[13:03] <jtholmes> davmor2, ok thanks
[13:13] <cjwatson> jtholmes: don't call me "Watson", by the way, it's rude to just use a surname
[14:26] <davmor2> schwuk: ping
[14:31] <davmor2> schwuk: on system testing is there a way to return focus to the 'type text' window and away from the running test window.  Currently if you type text nothing happen until you put focus back on the type text window.
[14:58] <davmor2> cr3: Morning
[14:58] <davmor2> cgregan: Morning
[14:59] <cgregan> davmor2: Morning
[14:59] <cr3> davmor2: ahoy, matey!
[14:59] <davmor2> cr3: I asked schwuk this but I'll ask you too on system testing is there a way to return focus to the 'type text' window and away from the running test window.  Currently if you type text nothing happen until you put focus back on the type text window.
[15:00] <davmor2> cr3: Is it talk like a pirate day again already :)
[15:00] <cr3> davmor2: I like that kind of concern, might you know off hand how to do that in gtk?
[15:00] <cr3> davmor2: I wish every day was talk like a pirate day :)
[15:02] <davmor2> cr3: I have no idea what-so-ever I don't know if it's possible that's why I was asking here first before posting a bug :)
[15:04] <davmor2> cr3: could you not make the type text window open after the test running window?
[15:31] <schwuk> davmor2: could be interesting to address...
[15:33] <davmor2> schwuk: or just change the title to "click and type text" :)
[15:34] <cr3> davmor2: but that would be testing both the mouse and the keyboard :)
[15:34] <schwuk> davmor2: bug? :)
[15:35] <davmor2> schwuk: I was finding out if it was possible to do before writing one.  Not being a programer :)
[15:36] <schwuk> davmor2: of course filing a bug doesn't infer that we'll fix it...
[15:36] <davmor2> :D
[15:37] <schwuk> davmor2: in theory it's possible, so if you can file a bug, I'll try and address it
[15:38] <davmor2> writting as soon as the page comes up :)
[15:49] <davmor2> schwuk: bug 353190
[15:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 353190 in checkbox "Jaunty: in checkbox-gtk on keyboard text simply typing displays nothing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/353190
[16:41] <davmor2> Hello heno
[16:41] <heno> hey davmor2
[16:43] <davmor2> alternate has gained a new progress meter which is nice.  The bar still sticks at 6% but you see the text read accessing 1 of 191 etc yay :)
[16:46]  * ara takes a break before the meetings
[16:48] <jtholmes> heno is the qa meeting on "#ubuntu-meetings" in about 10 mins?
[16:49] <heno> jtholmes: It's 17 00 UTC, which is in 70 minutes
[16:49] <davmor2> jtholmes: that be about an hour an 10 minutes
[16:49] <jtholmes> ok wasnt sure of the time diff thanks
[16:49] <heno> np
[16:57] <jtholmes> davmor2, thanks didnt see your msg
[16:57] <jtholmes> afk
[17:43] <davmor2> bdmurray: congrats
[17:43] <bdmurray> davmor2: thanks!
[17:58] <jtholmes> davmor2 is the #ubuntu-meetings on freenode or elsewhere
[17:58] <davmor2> #ubuntu-meeting
[18:00] <ara> Ubuntu QA Meeting in ~1 minute at #ubuntu-meeting
[18:01] <jtholmes> davmor2, thanks had s on meeting
[19:01] <jtholmes> davmor2 what does UDS stand for Ubuntu ??
[19:02] <ara> jtholmes: ubuntu developer summit
[19:03] <jtholmes> thanks
[19:32] <heno> eeejay: will you join the dt call?
[19:33] <eeejay> heno, yup
[19:35] <heno> eeejay: (we are dialed in)
[19:37] <ara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop/Coverage
[19:43] <eeejay> http://package-import.ubuntu.com
[19:48] <eeejay> ara: maybe we could somehow grab all the test XML files, append them to a giant file, and do some xslt magic that will give a current picture of coverage?
[19:48] <eeejay> maybe i am complicating stuff
[19:50] <ara> eeejay: :D
[19:58] <jcollado> eeejay: Plase take a look at the parse_suite.py located in the scripts subdirectory in the urn branch. I parses a module file and generates the XML file based on the information in the XML file.
[19:58] <jcollado> eeejay: I added also an option to generate wiki output with the same information
[19:59] <eeejay> jcollado: cool!
[19:59] <jcollado> eeejay: I believe it could be extended to get something similar to XSLT
[20:00] <eeejay> jcollado: i am thinking, it could be in the main executable with a "--coverage" flag.
[20:00] <jcollado> eeejay: I meant "based on the information in the python module"
[20:00] <eeejay> jcollado: that way it could grab all the suites
[20:00] <jcollado> eeejay: Yes, that could be done also
[20:03] <eeejay> jcollado: my thought was to parst the suite XML file, where all the human readable name/descriptions reside
[20:04] <eeejay> jcollado: docstrings won't be good for that purpose because one method could be used for many test cases, same with class
[20:04] <jcollado> eeejay: You're right. What I thought that could be done in such a case
[20:05] <jcollado> eeejay: is just create a helper method in call it twice from different testing methods
[20:05] <eeejay> jcollado: hah
[20:05] <jcollado> eeejay: being a testing method one that matched the testing method pattern (i.e. r'^test' regexp)
[20:06] <eeejay> jcollado: that is originally how i was designing it too
[20:06] <jcollado> eeejay: I feel is nice to write the information only in one place instead of splitting it in different files. Don't you think so?
[20:07] <eeejay> jcollado: yeah, that is why we are not using the docstrings :)
[20:07] <eeejay> jcollado: the XML file is "canonical"
[20:09] <jcollado> eeejay: He, he.  It's a matter of taste. I don't like much XML files. I prefer everything in the code to keep the documentation and other information in sync with the code.
[20:10] <eeejay> jcollado: i generally agree with you
[20:18] <mvo> sbeattie: I commited a fix for update-manager-text crash, please let me know if it reappears (but it should be fixed)
[20:20] <sbeattie> mvo: cool, thanks! BTW, I'm not sure how it easy it to steer newt from  python, but it might be nice to have it size things sensibly depending on the terminal settings.
[20:21] <mvo> sbeattie: good point
[20:21] <mvo> sbeattie: probably not jaunty though :/
[20:23] <sbeattie> yeah, not surprised. but wishlist it for me, okay? :-)
[20:45] <mvo> sbeattie: promised :)
[20:45] <mvo> sbeattie: poke me on UDS if nothing is done until then
[20:46] <sbeattie> heh, sure thing; I'm likely to keep using it.
[20:47] <mvo> nice
[20:47]  * mvo waves good night


[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[18:08] <jose> pleia2: hey, just as a heads up, new LC members haven't got any permissions at all
[18:11] <czajkowski> jose: that whole weekend thing
[18:11] <czajkowski> people tend to not look at their emails :)
[18:11] <jose> :)
[18:13] <czajkowski> added you to the team
[18:16] <jose> thanks :)
[18:17] <jose> czajkowski: mind a quick PM? :)
[18:18] <czajkowski> if you pm I may not reply am cooking but fire away
[18:19] <jose> ok!