[10:12] <river> on one of the unmounted drives/partitions ? rember I'm in livecd at the mo
[10:12] <zoople> lol this isnt going so well..i installed it but its saying it didnt install
[10:12] <zoople> do i do something wrong?
[10:12] <what_if> BHSPitLappy: ifconfig lists as '0000-00' but I have tried that also
[10:12] <river> cde, sorry stilla newbie so sorry if vague at times
[10:12] <compudaze> welp, gonna compile cedega and goto sleep, will try it out in the morning
[10:12] <BHSPitLappy> what_if, are the zeros just for the sake of example, or is that what it actually says....
[10:12] <chie> Hi everybody...I have a hylafax question.  I am looking for something called: egetty ... but can't seem to find it.  Does anyone know where this is, or better yet, a replacement?
[10:12] <james296> Is it possible to get an alt-tab replacement that looks like the kind from Windows Vista, but without using xgl/compiz?
[10:13] <james296> since Im havin major troublle trying to get xgl/compiz
[10:13] <Vuen> :/
[10:13] <fredl> Hmmm
[10:13] <TLE> Hey I need a little advice with partitioning. I have a disc where there is a extended partition that contains 5 partitions, sdb5 sdb6 sdb8 sdb9 sdb7 in that order. Now I want to delete sdb8 and make 3 new partitions of it, but then it tell me to umount any partitions with a number higher than 8, now I can do that if I do it from a live cd. But I need to know if the partition with a higher number sdb9, will change name when I delete sdb8 and make 3 new ones sin
[10:13] <compudaze> james296, ati card?
[10:13] <james296> Nvidia
[10:13] <compudaze> edgy?
[10:13] <james296> Geforce FX 7300 GS
[10:13] <what_if> BHSPitLappy: the 0's are for real, also tried naming the tunnel 'gre1' and got the same error
[10:13] <fredl> I just completely moved my homedir and made a new one and now GNOME starts up properly again....
[10:13] <james296> yes, Edgy
[10:13] <compudaze> it was easy for me
[10:13] <Vuen> james296: have you spoken to anyone in #beryl? they might be able to help. if not, hop into #beryl-dev and give the devs your hardware and the problems you're having, so they can fix it at some point in the future
[10:14] <compudaze> u have the beta driver installed?
[10:14] <blinky> can anyone give me the URL for the ubuntu pastebin?? i have lost what i cannot find
[10:14] <what_if> BHSPitLappy: this only happens when I try to apply a route to the device
[10:14] <CarinArr> james296, give it to me, i'll give you my 5500;)
[10:14] <chie> == Hi everybody...I have a hylafax question.  I am looking for something called: egetty ... but can't seem to find it.  Does anyone know where this is, or better yet, a replacement? ==
[10:14] <fredl> and I was wrong apparently since sound does work....
[10:14] <james296> LOL
[10:14] <Vuen> blinky: you can just use pastebin.ca
[10:14] <iwaterball> TLE: it will change name, since the names are derived from the partition order
[10:14] <james296> I JUST HAD ONE
[10:14] <CarinArr> james296, lol
[10:14] <BHSPitLappy> what_if, not sure, and plus, I really really have to go... I shouldn't have even led you on, sorry :(
[10:14] <CarinArr> worth a shot
[10:14] <zoople> !nvidia
[10:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:14] <what_if> BHSPitLappy: is ok, i will keep looking online
[10:14] <BHSPitLappy> night
[10:14] <james296> well I installed it using Automatix2 lol
[10:14] <iwaterball> TLE: if you need that many partitions you're better off using LVM
[10:14] <blinky> Vuen, thanks buddy

[10:15] <compudaze> so you have the beta driver installed?
[10:15] <compudaze> u get the beta logo on X startup?
[10:15] <james296> probably
[10:15] <james296> lol
[10:15] <Vuen> TLE: sdb9 will probably change names, yes. you may want to refer to the partition in the fstab using its UUID instead of /dev/sdb9, that way it won't matter what sdb# it is.
[10:15] <compudaze> the white screen
[10:15] <CarinArr> out of interest, does anyone know if the vim version has changed between dapper and edgy? can't seem to get syntax highlighting in new version
[10:15] <river> cge certainly not a file with livecd booted. do you want me to try and mount it ?
[10:15] <CarinArr> or rather in edgy version
[10:15] <james296> the Nvidia screen?
[10:15] <james296> yes
[10:15] <james296> oh wait
[10:15] <james296> when I try to install xgl/compiz..
[10:16] <zoople> ooh is someone else having Nvidia troubles?
[10:16] <Vuen> compudaze: automatix won't install beta drivers afaik
[10:16] <TLE> iwaterball: Crap. Thank you for the info :: I'll check out LVM
[10:16] <compudaze> u dont need xgl
[10:16] <james296> I get a blue screen error that says it cant find my display device
[10:16] <Vuen> it will install the latex stable nvidia
[10:16] <Vuen> s/latex/latest <.< >.>
[10:16] <volvoguy> i've only installed the beta nvidia drivers on my laptop, but they seemed pretty solid.
[10:16] <what_if> does anyone know if tunneling support is broken in Ubuntu edgy? I keep having errors of "no such device" when trying to apply routes
[10:16] <james296> well beta sounds risky, maybe I should keep the STABLE driver? lol
[10:16] <compudaze> james296, try this: http://gandalfn.wordpress.com/howto/howto-compiz-aiglx-on-edgy
[10:16] <compudaze> u need the beta drivers installed 1st
[10:16] <cge> river: Yes
[10:16] <Vuen> james296: yeah, you definitely don't need the beta drivers
[10:16] <zoople> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable: gives me an error
[10:16] <TLE> Vuen: Ohhh so that's what they are for. But anyway that wont do the trick with grub.
[10:16] <iwaterball> CarinArr: when I had that problem it turned out to be something with my .vimrc, try movnig it
[10:16] <Vuen> compudaze: no, you don't need beta drivers.
[10:16] <zoople> says i havent installed it when i have
[10:17] <volvoguy> compudaze, thanks. i was just going to ask for a good edgy/beryl link. :)
[10:17] <river> cge, as what type ?
[10:17] <CarinArr> iwaterball, well, it explicitly says it doesnt' recognise the "syntax on" in my .vimrc which has worked for yonks
[10:17] <vegansickle> oh no
[10:17] <vegansickle> im getting this DCOPserver error
[10:17] <compudaze> even if you dont use xgl?
[10:17] <Vuen> you definitely *don't* need nvidia beta drivers to use beryl. furthermore, the new nvidia beta driver features are useless if you're using Xgl, and they're less stable.
[10:17] <cge> river: ext3
[10:17] <iwaterball> CarinArr: still works for me
[10:17] <CarinArr> iwaterball, new install of edgy or upgrade?
[10:18] <CarinArr> cause mine worked when ijust upgraded.. doesn't work after clean install
[10:18] <Jaeke555> Vuen: ah,I was bit distracted here, but let me see, I need to do Apt-get upgrade and then reboot?
[10:18] <Vuen> compudaze: even if you don't use xgl. you can just enable aiglx, just as you would with ati drivers (assuming he's using edgy)
[10:18] <iwaterball> CarinArr: they moved the syntax file, youre .vimrc might point to the wrong place
[10:18] <seryphareth> im using kubunutu latest edgy and im getting the .DCOPserver_vegansickle__0 error
[10:18] <iwaterball> CarinArr: upgrade
[10:18] <volvoguy> i heard maybe that AIGLX works with the new nvidia drivers, but i haven't read up on it at all.
[10:18] <Vuen> Jaeke555: yes. sudo apt-get upgrade. did the 1.5 gigs finish downloading already?!?
[10:18] <compudaze> i haven't tried that way, was just easier this way
[10:18] <compudaze> i haven't had any problems with the beta drivers
[10:18] <bilss_> hi
[10:18] <river> cge, nope says special device doe snot exist
[10:19] <Jaeke555> Vuen: Nope, not yet, I'm somewhere in 97% I think...
[10:19] <volvoguy> Vuen, what does AIGLX give you?
[10:19] <what_if> if I install ubuntu 6.06 and upgrade will it also upgrade the kernel ??
[10:19] <seryphareth> does anyone know how to fix the DCOPserver isn't loading error?
[10:19] <CarinArr> iwaterball, if you do :syntax on in a vim session does it work?
[10:19] <CarinArr> iwaterball, cause i get: E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version                                1,1           All
[10:19] <Vuen> compudaze: ah. that's strange. i've had MANY problems with the beta drivers on edgy, whereas none existed with the stable drivers
[10:19] <cge> river: ah
[10:19] <bilss_> I still have not upgraded  from dapper what are the advantages as i have only a mail server with minimal X
[10:19] <cge> river: So, it appears that the device mapper module isn't mounted
[10:19] <iwaterball> CarinArr: they mayn have vim-tiny installed by default rather then a fully flegged vim; can't check it just now
[10:19] <compudaze> what kind of problems?
[10:20] <cge> river: err, loaded
[10:20] <seryphareth> compudaze: me?
[10:20] <volvoguy> cge, they informed me here to stick with dapper for server duties. i just did the install.
[10:20] <CarinArr> iwaterball, right, at least that's an idea, i'll check
[10:20] <Jaeke555> Vuen: So apt-get install <package name> will only download the package? and apt-get upgrade will install all the downloaded packages?
[10:20] <Vuen> the nvidia beta drivers broke my wireless card (restricted-modules), have corrupted video in some games (scorched3d), broke x (no longer starts on boot, even though i've now uninstalled them), would not use vram properly (so i still had to use xgl)...
[10:20] <CarinArr> i just assumed since it was there it was the full version
[10:20] <Vuen> LOADS of problems
[10:20] <james296> E: Malformed line 39 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[10:20] <river> cge, I'll take your word for it
[10:20] <Vuen> so if you don't need the beta drivers, definitely best not to use them.
[10:20] <cge> river: so sudo modprobe dm-mod
[10:20] <james296> thats what I get when I try to apt-get update
[10:20] <cge> river: And then try again.
[10:21] <volvoguy> Vuen, can you use AIGLX with the stable Nvidia drivers?
[10:21] <james296> when I added the source
[10:21] <Vuen> volvoguy: as far as i know, yes.
[10:21] <volvoguy> I thought there was something new in the betas that made it finally work.
[10:21] <Vuen> volvoguy: i'm pretty sure you can. with the latest stable drivers, it's just a matter of enabling aiglx in the xorg.conf.
[10:22] <Vuen> volvoguy: no, what the new beta drivers do is they make aiglx unnecessary by adding the pixmap-whatever hook directly to the drivers.
[10:22] <Vuen> you can still use aiglx.
[10:22] <volvoguy> Vuen, oooh... that's right.
[10:22] <seryphareth> <--- KUBUNTU 6.10 "Could not Read Network Connection List" .DCOPserver_vegansickle__0 please check to see that the "dcopserver" program is running
[10:22] <volvoguy> is there a aiglx.org or something for more info?
[10:22] <volvoguy> nevermind I'll JFGI
[10:22] <compudaze> which is faster? XGL or aiglx?
[10:22] <bilss_> I still have not upgraded  from dapper what are the advantages as i have only a mail server with minimal X
[10:22] <Vuen> compudaze: depends on your hardware.
[10:23] <compudaze> 6800gt for me
[10:23] <Vuen> compudaze: for amd, ati, etc, you're probably best with aiglx. for intel, nvidia, etc, you're probably best with xgl
[10:23] <seryphareth> no ideas about the DCOPserver error?
[10:23] <seryphareth> ive tried looking at the search engines
[10:23] <river> cge, ok no error from modprobe but retry on mount same error
[10:24] <volvoguy> bilss_,  they informed me here to stick with dapper for server duties. i just did the install.
[10:24] <Vuen> personally i have intel, nvidia, asus, and aiglx/nvidiabeta was slower than xgl and kept getting black windows because of not using video ram properly
[10:24] <bilss_> volvoguy: install of dapper?
[10:24] <volvoguy> bilss_, yes.
[10:25] <volvoguy> bilss_, for a server.
[10:25] <cge> river: Ok, run lvs again
[10:25] <Vuen> Jaeke555: sorry i missed your message, apt-get install <package name> will download and install that package. apt-get upgrade will see if there are newer versions of any packages on your system, and if so, it will download and install them.
[10:25] <what_if> Is edgy "production level" yet, or more of a beta ??
[10:25] <cge> river: or lvdisplay
[10:25] <seryphareth> no its beta
[10:25] <seryphareth> :)
[10:25] <Vuen> what_if: it's released means it's production level.
[10:25] <volvoguy> bilss_, Dapper is LTS while Edgy is not.
[10:25] <seryphareth> it leaving me with this stupid DCOP error!
[10:25] <compudaze> if you want more stable use 6.06.1
[10:25] <seryphareth> i really dig 6.10
[10:26] <seryphareth> but this error sucks
[10:26] <bilss_> volvoguy: whats LTS mean
[10:26] <what_if> compudaze: downloading now :)
[10:26] <seryphareth> i got maya installed np
[10:26] <volvoguy> bilss_, Long Term Support
[10:26] <Vuen> bilss_: LTS means long term support. it means they are supporting dapper for three years instead of the usual 1.5 years
[10:26] <volvoguy> bilss_, it has a longer life cycle than Edgy - it will be officially supported longer.
[10:26] <what_if> will apt-get upgrade install the new kernel ??
[10:26] <Jaeke555> Vuen: So Apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will download and install the ubuntu-desktop (What ever it is; X window?) so I only need to reboot for it to take effect?
[10:27] <compudaze> i'll have to try the other different ways, xgl vs aiglx vs GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[10:27] <Vuen> what_if: if there is a new kernel available, yes.
[10:27] <Vuen> Jaeke555: yes.
[10:27] <bilss_> volvoguy: its ok i guess but not as soild as sarge
[10:27] <Jaeke555> Vuen: Sounds like too easy :)
[10:27] <Vuen> Jaeke555: but make sure you apt-get update and apt-get upgrade again before rebooting
[10:27] <volvoguy> compudaze, me too. we'll have to compare notes. :)
[10:27] <Vuen> just to make sure there's nothing missing.
[10:27] <Jaeke555> Vuen:  what do those commands do?
[10:27] <what_if> Vuen: i'm having problems with the new kernels... how do I tell apt _not_ to upgrade the kernel
[10:27] <Vuen> Jaeke555: it definitely is too easy. don't you love installing things on linux? :)
[10:27] <Vuen> what_if: mmm. i'm not sure. hold on
[10:27] <DavidW2> hi. I have a problem starting up mysql
[10:27] <Jaeke555> vuen: I'd rather install stuff on Windows, thats easier :)
[10:28] <river> cge, ok lvdisplay nothing new
[10:28] <DavidW2> Seems to be this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/66702
[10:28] <Vuen> Jaeke555: EGAD! not a chance.
[10:28] <DavidW2> I need a working mysql asap im willing to try an older package, say, if the one from dapper works or something
[10:28] <cge> river: Ok. What is in /dev/mapper?
[10:28] <Jaeke555> vuen: anyways, apt-get update: updates the package list? and what does apt-get upgrade do then?
[10:28] <volvoguy> bilss_, never tried sarge. this machine has been powered on since the first ubuntu release and only rebooted for new kernels. i've never had any crashes.
[10:29] <Vuen> Jaeke555: apt-get update updates the package list. apt-get upgrade checks the package list to see if any packages that you have have been upgraded since you installed them, and if so, it will download and install the new versions.
[10:29] <JayFM> Hey everyone, can someone please help me open a smime.p7s file?
[10:29] <Jaeke555> Vuen: woot, everything is almost automated in linux :)
[10:29] <JayFM> I recieved it from the ubuntu user-mailing list
[10:29] <seryphareth> <--- KUBUNTU 6.10 "Could not Read Network Connection List" .DCOPserver_vegansickle__0 please check to see that the "dcopserver" program is running
[10:30] <Jaeke555> Vuen: What its missing is ability to run 'Wolrd of Warcraft' on it, when thats possible I'll certainly turn to linuxes :)
[10:30] <seryphareth> im on terminal now after killing the poor kdm
[10:30] <seryphareth> bx
[10:30] <cge> river: Ah. Ok. Run lvm vgscan, and then lvm vgchange -a y
[10:30] <volvoguy> Jaeke555, I thought you could run WoW with Cedega?
[10:31] <cge> river: Then I think you should be able to mount the partition.
[10:31] <bilss_> volvoguy: i run a cuple of programs I used apt-get to install both need a pid file in /var/run but evertime i reboot it wipes the /var/run dir strange but on sarge its ok but had dapper now since brezzy but just thought I would give you my view
[10:31] <Vuen> Jaeke555: WoW should run with cedega, afaik
[10:31] <Jaeke555> Vuen: I understood like 50% of the sentence :D cedega? afaik?
[10:32] <volvoguy> bilss_, hmm.. strange. i've never had to muck around the /var directory much.
[10:32] <Vuen> Jaeke555: cedega=program for running windows games in linux. afaik=as far as i know.
[10:32] <Vuen> what_if: hold on, almost found it
[10:32] <volvoguy> Jaeke555, transgaming.com (or maybe .org)
[10:32] <Jaeke555> Vuen: ahaa!   I guess I'll have to familiarize myself to it :)
[10:33] <what_if> Jaeke555: cedega does run WOW, even says so on their webpage
[10:33] <A3on> sup all, I have a question, I am using Edgy and it seems that exim4 has port 25 open or that it is listening on 25. I'm sure exim4 got on my system via rkhunter on my system, but I did opt for no configuration of exim4 at the time. This never happened on Dapper when installing rkhunter! Yes, I have firestarter installed, however, i have tor installed as well and doing an nmap on <IP_ADDRESS> shows that in fact pot 25 is open as well. Should
[10:33] <A3on> i be concerned?
[10:33] <volvoguy> Jaeke555, it doesn't do Battlefield2 so well (at least for me), but I know I WoW is supported (and advertised - so it must work pretty well).
[10:33] <bilss_> volvoguy: i think sarge and the new testing etch are more robust they are tested and tested again before release ubuntu is a rock for new people to linux
[10:33] <cge>  A3on: probably not.
[10:33] <bilss_> etch
[10:34] <A3on> cge, and why is that?
[10:34] <Jaeke555> volvoguy: thanks, you might have just saved me from microsoft!
[10:34] <cge> A3on: I'm nearly certain it isn't configured as an open relay.
[10:34] <Vuen> what_if: ack, sorry, i can't find it. there's a way you can put a hold on a package, to make it not upgrade; the command is something like hold, or apt-get hold, or dpkg hold, i don't know. search the dpkg manpage for hold
[10:34] <volvoguy> Jaeke555, Yay! do i get a comission check? ;)
[10:34] <river> cge, you're a legend !! mounted
[10:34] <A3on> cge, but nmap shows that it is?
[10:34] <ailean> what program can i use to encode an ".avi file onto a DVD so that I can play it on DVD players?
[10:34] <what_if> Vuen: will do, that is what I ran into. Lack of clear answers
[10:34] <cge> river: Amazing! I'm amazingly lucky in finding that little bit in the LVM2 FAQ. I've never even used LVM myself.
[10:35] <cge> A3on: Sure, it is an open port, but it can't be used as an open relay.
[10:35] <Jaeke555> volvoguy: you wish! :D
[10:35] <A3on> cge, how can i find out if it used as an open relay or configured in such a way?
[10:35] <HS^> does ubuntu installer have a partition program?
[10:35] <cge> A3on: If you telnet in from a remote location and do helo asdf \n msg from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>rcpt to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it will reject it.
[10:35] <river> cge, awesome... great progress well done. Now it is mounted as ~/chrootOriginal  now all I should need to do is chroot to it, can you help with that too ?
[10:35] <ailean> HS^, yes
[10:36] <volvoguy> Jaeke555, yes, yes i do. Spend the money on Cedega instead though. :)
[10:36] <HS^> ok
[10:36] <cge> river chroot /path/to/mounted/part /bin/bash, if I recall.
[10:36] <Jaeke555> Vuen: I got this error, Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
[10:36] <cge> A3on: Or there are tests on the web.
[10:36] <Jaeke555> volvoguy: omg its not freeware?
[10:36] <volvoguy> Jaeke555, no but it's cheap and well worth the money.
[10:36] <A3on> cge, yes such as port scanners?
[10:36] <Vuen> Jaeke555: when did you get this error? and no, cedega is not free :(. you may be able to get wow to work in wine, which is free.
[10:37] <volvoguy> Jaeke555, basically you're paying for support.
[10:37] <river> cge, with sudo I presume
[10:37] <seryphareth> who am i?
[10:37] <seryphareth> i want my DCOPserver to work
[10:37] <Jaeke555> vuen: it was setting up some font thingy :)
[10:37] <seryphareth> hehe
[10:37] <cge> river: Of course.
[10:37] <cge> A3on: no
[10:37] <Jaeke555> Vuen: but it passed it...
[10:37] <HS^> is it easy to update ubuntu , completely with all installed packages?
[10:37] <cge> A3on: A port scanner will just tell you whether the port is open.
[10:38] <A3on> cge, what do you mean then?
[10:38] <cge> A3on: It won't tell you if you can actually send mail through the port.
[10:38] <Vuen> Jaeke555: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=707
[10:38] <ailean> what program can i use to encode an ".avi file onto a DVD so that I can play it on DVD players?
[10:38] <Vuen> Jaeke555: that's apparently a success story of WoW under wine, which is free.
[10:38] <Vuen> or just google for wine world of warcraft, and start reading :)
[10:38] <ANaRcHiC> anyone got xgl functioning on edgy?
[10:38] <cge> A3on: Like http://www.abuse.net/relay.html or http://mail-abuse.org/tsi/ar-test.html
[10:39] <river> cge, ok that's done too yay ! so now to resume the interupted upgrade ? "apt-get ?????"
[10:39] <chuckyp>  ANaRcHiC a lot of people go to #ubuntu-xgl for help
[10:39] <A3on> cge, but the fact that it is listening on the port suggests that it is open?
[10:39] <Jaeke555> Vuen: I'm sure trying to run windows software on linux is hard as it is, and when its not automated, its too hard :D so I guess I'll have to stick with windoze still :)
[10:39] <ANaRcHiC> ty :)
[10:39] <cge> A3on: Not really.
[10:39] <Vuen> Jaeke555: ooh, here's a good tutorial: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=707
[10:39] <chuckyp> Jaeke555, what software do you need from windows?
[10:39] <HS^> is it easy to update ubuntu , completely with all installed packages?
[10:39] <cge> river: dist-upgrade
[10:40] <iwaterball> HS^: yes.
[10:40] <Jaeke555> chuckyp: well, MSN messenger and world of warcraft :) I think thats about it :)
[10:40] <cge> A3on: It means that others can connect to the port, but it doesn't mean that they can use it to send mail.
[10:40] <Vuen> Jaeke555: did you mean to set all this up on the linux machine you're installing now? if so, why did you use the server install cd?
[10:40] <river> cge, confirming "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:40] <Vuen> Jaeke555: there are loads of messengers you can use instead of msn. generally the best one is gaim
[10:40] <chuckyp> Jaeke555, well msn you can use gaim to connect to your msn account.  Or if you want some more of the msn features you can alwasy install amsn
[10:40] <cge> A3on: If it is configured correctly, as I am confident that it is, then it will allow others to send email to your machine, but will not allow them to send emails to other machines.
[10:40] <chuckyp> Jaeke555, and wow runs under wine.
[10:41] <Vuen> Jaeke555: there are even text-based msn clients for linux that you can use without even installing a GUI. right out of that terminal where you apt-getted your desktop, you can use msn.
[10:41] <Jaeke555> Chuckyp: yeah, I believe it does, but when I'm on it, it won't :D
[10:41] <A3on> cge, hmmm how about exploit the port and gain entrance into the system?
[10:41] <river> cge, do I need to login in or am I magically root now even without specifying any user or password ?
[10:41] <Jaeke555> vuen: damn linux is versatile :)
[10:41] <Vuen> yep
[10:41] <cge> river: You have magical rootness.
[10:41] <Vuen> i know
[10:42] <Vuen> Jaeke555: what's even better about text-based things like that is that you can use them inside a text-based window manager, like screen
[10:42] <cge> river: An example of why most security is useless when an attacker has physical access.
[10:42] <Vuen> so when you SSH or telnet to your computer, you can take over the session without disconnecting from irc, msn, etc
[10:42] <cge> A3on: The attacker would have to be able to exploit exim4.
[10:42] <cge> A3on: One can't just exploit the port.
[10:42] <Jaeke555> Vuen: but you need a year of practise before you can actually do anything with the terminal box :)
[10:43] <chuckyp> Jaeke555, same as windows.  Think of how much practice you've had with that.
[10:43] <Vuen> you can do pretty much anything from the console in linux, including write school papers (latex), browse the internet (lynx/links2/w3m), chat with others (irssi,bitchx,tmsnc,naim)...
[10:43] <Jaeke555> Vuen: Rebuilding the database. This may take some time.
[10:43] <A3on> cge, ah seems i need to go research exim4 exploits then ^^
[10:43] <Jaeke555> chuckyp: Yeah, I know, but to get into Linux world, I first have to forget my 18 years of windows experience :D
[10:44] <Vuen> Jaeke555: heh, well it does take quite a bit of learning, yes. but look at it this way, you spent your whole life learning windows
[10:44] <Jaeke555> Vuen: So true :D
[10:44] <river> cge, understand re security. Another question, it wants to download 231mb for the upgrade, can I add an alternate cd or something to avoid the download ?
[10:44] <Vuen> and how much can you do from a windows terminal? not much. you can already do more in a linux terminal and you just started.
[10:44] <cge> Jaeke555: It does take a long time to learn the CLI, but in my opinion it is worth it.
[10:44] <PecisDarbs> hi crowd, question to Ubuntu packagers - how frequently happens translations updates packages release and how to initialise one, if there is need to fix faulty translations
[10:44] <Jaeke555> Vuen: but don't you just hate it when you know what you should do, but you don't know how to :)
[10:44] <chuckyp> Jaeke555, well not necessarily forget it.  I'm from windows environment too.  So I know what you mean.  But I pretty much only use nix now.  My wife still boots to windows ocasionally.
[10:44] <peija-kax> yeh and i can tell you that after a few years on linux windows starts to feel quite odd :p just installed xp for a friend yesterday :p
[10:45] <Vuen> hehe
[10:45] <Arafangion> chuckyp: Lately, someone's watched me program in C, using screen and a split vim.
[10:45] <Arafangion> chuckyp: He asked "Is that Visual Studio?"
[10:45] <chuckyp> PecisDarbs, perhaps your questions would be better answered on the forums?   THere is also irc rooms for different languages.
[10:45] <Vuen> i'm a bit embarrased to say that i'm in windows right now >.< i'm repartitioning my hard drive with partition magic, because parted was segfaulting :(
[10:45] <Jaeke555> my only requirements is that I can mainly play PC/windows games on it :)
[10:45] <rasputnik> anyone know how to stop (edgy) firefox asking if I want to restore my session? it's driving me potty.
[10:45] <Vuen> but, i'm still using irssi in a terminal window :D
[10:45] <cge> PecisDarbs: I think you want to go to rosetta?
[10:45] <chuckyp> Arafangion, lol
[10:45] <Vuen> i'm addicted to the console. completely addicted.
[10:46] <iwaterball> Jaeke555: if all you want to do is play windows games, use windows
[10:46] <Arafangion> Vuen: It is infact, recommended to use only one partition program, so if you're already using partition magic, it'd be best to continue using that.
[10:46] <cge> Vuen: Yes, it is addictive.
[10:46] <Arafangion> Vuen: Same.
[10:46] <PecisDarbs> cge: no, I want to understand how translation update debs are issued for particular language :)
[10:46] <cge> PecisDarbs: Ah
[10:46] <volvoguy> Vuen, good! i decided to make my server headless this time. I'll need console help eventually I'm sure. :)
[10:46] <Vuen> Arafangion: actually, i've used a whole variety of partitioning software on this drive
[10:46] <cge> PecisDarbs: You might try asking on #ubuntu-devel
[10:46] <PecisDarbs> cge: it is done by Ubuntu packages or it can be done from Translation team, etc.
[10:46] <PecisDarbs> ohhh
[10:46] <PecisDarbs> I see
[10:46] <PecisDarbs> thanks
[10:46] <PecisDarbs> :)
[10:46] <peija-kax> i have a windows on an older box as 2nd os for playing games, and i use my new linux box as its firewall so it isnt slowed down by av and firewall software ;) works
[10:46] <Arafangion> volvoguy: You can still use graphical programs on headless boxes.
[10:46] <Vuen> Arafangion: the current partition table was built using maxtor's boot cd, parted, cfdisk, and partition magic.
[10:46] <cge> PecisDarbs: Even though it isn't *precisely* the right place to ask.
[10:47] <Vuen> Arafangion: it's quite a mess. it's no wonder parted is segfaulting :p
[10:47] <chuckyp> Jaeke555, yeah  your best bet is to dual boot so you don't lose that aspect of it.  Gaming is seriously laking in linux but its getting better as time goes on.  More developers are releasing linux versions of their games.  EA is the big one that is being a PITA at the momment.  Once they start releasing clinet versions linux will truely rock.
[10:47] <PecisDarbs> cge: at least I will try
[10:47] <Arafangion> Vuen: The fact is that the partition table isn't completely standardized :(
[10:47] <Vuen> Jaeke555: yep. dual booting windows and linux is extremely easy with ubuntu
[10:47] <ChrisNiemy> hi, someone uses FLAC for music files? trying to play them with xine-backend and amarok. seems that its still not working under egdy. _can_ anybody here play FLAC under amarok (edgy eft)?
[10:47] <volvoguy> Arafangion, yeah - i don't have *much* need to though. the only GUI app i really used on that machine was Azureus, since it has all my big hard drives in it.
[10:47] <cge> ChrisNiemy: Me
[10:48] <A3on> cge, hmmm seems there as an exploit in exim4 about causing overflows to gain privileges, but that was back in 2005 and did exist on Ubuntu Warty. cge, is there any way i can configure it to stop listening on port 25?
[10:48] <Vuen> Jaeke555: i have a 30 gig partition on which windows is installed, which i use exclusively for games. other than that, i do everything in linux
[10:48] <cge> ChrisNiemy: You need to install xine-extracodecs
[10:48] <cge> A3on: I believe so, let me think for a moment.
[10:48] <volvoguy> Arafangion, and I think I can control Azureus adequately through the console or the web-gui plugin.
[10:48] <A3on> cge, thanks
[10:48] <ChrisNiemy> cge: did that, also tried from a fresh install. i must be crazy ;) refuses to work.
[10:48] <Vuen> volvoguy: they're developing a cli interface to azureus, by the way. you can run it as a daemon without an interface.
[10:48] <cge> A3on: You could disable exim4 entirely with update-rc.d
[10:48] <Vuen> heh
[10:49] <cge> A3on: Or you could use firestarter to close the port, though do note that it will still appear as open from your local machine.
[10:49] <ChrisNiemy> cge: so the problem concerning the xinelibs which occured under dapper is now fixed in edgy?
[10:49] <A3on> cge, what is the full command to issue update-rc.d?
[10:49] <cge> ChrisNiemy: I don't know. I think it was working. But flac works well with gstreamer.
[10:49] <cge> A3on: update-rc.d
[10:49] <cge> A3on: oh
[10:50] <volvoguy> Vuen, yeah - I've already done that a bit for practice. The only thing I haven't figured out without the GUI is picking only a few files from a huge torrent or subscribing to RSS feeds (and setting up filters).
[10:50] <ChrisNiemy> cge seems to work with rhythmbox :) just missing the crossfading-function of amarok
[10:50] <cge> A3on: update-rc.d -f remove exim4. Though firestarter or some other firewall might be a better idea if you have one installed already.
[10:50] <cge> ChrisNiemy: amarok can use gstreamer.
[10:50] <volvoguy> Vuen, it's probably in the wiki though. it's been a few weeks since i visited. :)
[10:51] <rasputnik> A3on: you tell exim to listen on 25 with the '-bd' flag. just remove that from your exim options
[10:51] <ChrisNiemy> cge ok, then i have to check the settings there. I'll give it a try. thanks
[10:51] <Vuen> man, i wish azureus wasn't written in java. it's such a great program
[10:51] <Vuen> but java makes everything difficult
[10:51] <cge> Vuen: Have you tried ktorrent.
[10:51] <cge> Vuen: ?
[10:51] <Vuen> is there a fix for how azureus always shuts down improperly if you don't close it before logging out?
[10:52] <A3on> rasputnik, where do i find the exim options?
[10:52] <cge> A3on: Probably in /etc/default
[10:52] <Vuen> cge: yeah, i've tried ktorrent. it's missing tons of features, the connectivity sucks, the speed sucks...
[10:52] <CarinArr> vuen, are you using sun java?
[10:52] <volvoguy> Vuen, not that I know of. that's a thorn in my side as well.
[10:52] <cge> Vuen: Ah
[10:52] <Vuen> CarinArr: yep, sun java.
[10:52] <cge> Vuen: Why would the speed and connectivity be worse?
[10:52] <CarinArr> jus tchecking, cause i discovered it's hellish if you don't
[10:53] <volvoguy> Opera REALLY sucks for torrent speed. I used it in a pinch a few times. I have no idea why one would be faster than another.
[10:53] <CarinArr> i've managed to kill azureus a few times the last few days without it complaining at all
[10:53] <Vuen> cge: for the speed, i have no idea, but it is. i tried downloading the new episode of the office, i let it run for an hour and it spent the whole time at 8 k/s. i said "screw this" and stuck it in azureus, the speed jumped right up to 140k/s and downloaded the whole episode in about 20 minutes.
[10:53] <CarinArr> i found ktorrent got me crap download speeds too
[10:53] <Whatsisname> hey anyone know how to shut off the terminal bell/ beep
[10:54] <cge> Vuen: Ah. I think that is because illegitimate bittorrent downloads require the use of nonstandard ports instead of 6881
[10:54] <Vuen> cge: as for connectivity, azureus has all sorts of features ktorrent lacks. for one thing, azureus has dht, which means it doesn't need a tracker to find peers
[10:54] <volvoguy> Opera is telling me right now that a 4Gb file is going to take 8 days to download and there's like 48 seeders.
[10:54] <CarinArr> and it kept saying NAT and stuff weren't working when they were
[10:54] <Vuen> it also means it can download torrent files using only hashes or magnet links, etc
[10:54] <Vuen> cge: uhh, no, that's a load of crap...
[10:54] <cge> Vuen: If I recall correctly, ktorrent has DHT, does it not?
[10:54] <A3on> rasputnik and cge, there is no -bd flag in  /etc/default config file of exim4?
[10:54] <CarinArr> cge, yes, but for me it kept claiming it wasn't working
[10:54] <volvoguy> "non-standard" ports shouldn't effect torrents at all.
[10:55] <Jaeke555> Vuen: /var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml:680: parser error : premature end of data in tag sect line 504
[10:55] <Rothbuntu> utorrent is the ONLY one ill ever use
[10:55] <IRCMonkey1111> how to change fonts for any arbitrary X app (some app derived from mozilla for eg)
[10:55] <Vuen> cge: i don't think it implements it nearly as well as azureus does. it probably implements it the way the official bittorrent client does, which sucks; it emphasizes restrictions to try to force people to upload, instead of just focusing on connectivity
[10:55] <A3on> cge, however exim4 runs as a demon?
[10:55] <rasputnik> A3on: no, it's done in the init script itself
[10:55] <chuckyp> azureus here.
[10:55] <Vuen> cge: and i know for a fact ktorrent has no method of searching the dht or transferring torrent files using hashes or magnets
[10:55] <fredl> I guess VMWare server won't automatically migrate to Edgy huh?
[10:55] <cge> rasputnik: It shouldn't do that...
[10:55] <chuckyp> fredl, why not?
[10:56] <chuckyp> fredl, automatically no but you can tell it o.
[10:56] <volvoguy> fredl, it should upgrade just like regular hardware.
[10:56] <fredl> well since it uses kernel modules and edgy has another kernel
[10:56] <thor> rasputnik: re your request to turn off firefox restore...http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/1788/firefox_2_0_how_to_always_restore_your_session
[10:56] <rasputnik> cge: I know, and debian shouldn't split the config of thirdparty apps into a billion little files. waddayagonnado?
[10:56] <A3on> rasputnik, then all i would have to do is uncomment  'nodaemon' then right?
[10:56] <volvoguy> i didn't know vmware ubuntu used a tweaked kernel.
[10:56] <cge> rasputnik: FILE A BUG!
[10:57] <fredl> this is one of my big tests for VMWare server, to see how easy it is to migrate to a new distro version :)
[10:57] <cge> rasputnik: I'll go look at it right now.
[10:57] <rasputnik> thor: you beauty. I found the docs but the value doesn't exist by default.
[10:57] <rasputnik> cge: they won't listen, I've tried it before.
[10:57] <volvoguy> fredl, yeah - and unfortunately i don't think there's much documentation for it. :-\
[10:58] <volvoguy> fredl, let me see if i have a VM of it sitting around.
[10:58] <Vuen> Jaeke555: eek, that's really strange
[10:58] <thor> rasputnik: right, you have to create it (and set it to false to turn off the restore)
[10:58] <fredl> volvoguy, ofcourse it does.... and I documented what I did for earlier VMWare kernel modules so it should be a breeze
[10:58] <shredder_> I accidentally deleted my minimize panel once and never got back the ability to minimize a window. I do have a lower panel, when I minimize a window the window goes into the corner of my screen and I cannot find it? any suggestions
[10:58] <charlie5> i've clobbered my fstab so that now i cannot boot ... could anyone please have a look at this paste of fstab, and see what i've done wrong ? ... http://rafb.net/paste/results/nJqXYx77.html
[10:58] <Vuen> Jaeke555: mm, i don't really know what that error is. does the gui start up?
[10:58] <volvoguy> fredl, my bad. i've never had to look very hard for info i guess. :)
[10:59] <cge> shredder_: readd it.
[10:59] <fredl> volvoguy http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_vmware_server
[10:59] <cge> shredder_: right click, add to panel, I think it is task list or something similar.
[10:59] <Jaeke555> Vuen: its still setting up the stuff it downloaded
[10:59] <volvoguy> fredl, i have an ubuntu dapper server VM here. i could try an upgrade to edgy for you - to see what kind of errors i get.
[10:59] <A3on> screw it ill just uninstall it - thanks guys ;)
[10:59] <rasputnik> A3on: yes. well, set the QUEUERUNNER option to that. Sorry, haven't used exim4 on a debian for a while
[10:59] <volvoguy> fredl, sweet! i've been loving howtoforge lately.
[11:00] <charlie5> should 'noauto' be set in fstab for the mian '/' partition ?
[11:00] <Vuen> Jaeke555: ah. yeah, that'l take a while. installing 1.5 gigs of stuff :)
[11:00] <cge> A3on: exim4 is really hard to configure. postfix is much easier.
[11:00] <fredl> volvoguy, one step ahead of you :) I had a running VMWare install on Dapper and it broke after the upgrade to Edgy which seems fair enough.
[11:00] <Jaeke555> Vuen: yeah... but I think it should be done soon :)
[11:00] <Jaeke555> Vuen: and whats fun, is that I got a fresh install and it still gives me occational error messages :D
[11:00] <A3on> rasputnik, its cool id rather have it off my system right now anyways, just wish rkhunter didnt need it
[11:01] <volvoguy> fredl, bummer!
[11:01] <river> cge, thanks for all your help
[11:01] <rasputnik> fredl: it works ok. you need to rerun vmware-config.pl *and* remove your old libdbus lib
[11:01] <cge> A3on: Ah!
[11:01] <A3on> cge, hehhe easy for you, but ummm im a noob ;)
[11:01] <cge> A3on: It just requires an MTA!
[11:01] <fredl> rasputnik, ok that's helpfull :)
[11:01] <cge> A3on: So you can install something like esmtp
[11:01] <A3on> cge, mta?
[11:01] <rasputnik> fredl: 'apt-get remove libdbus-1-2'
[11:01] <Vuen> Jaeke555: yeah, that's normal pretty much. loads of different possible hardware creates minor differences about how things are installed, and linux likes to be verbose.
[11:02] <Vuen> Jaeke555: keep in mind that you get all these sorts of errors in windows, but windows likes to brush it under the table instead of telling you about it.
[11:02] <fredl> why does that one have to go rasputnik?
[11:02] <A3on> cge, does esmtp listen to ports?
[11:02] <cge> A3on: mail transport agent. There are full ones like exim4 and postfix, which are actual mail servers, and ones like esmtp which aren't actually servers.
[11:02] <cge> A3on: no
[11:02] <A3on> cge, sweet ill install esmtp then
[11:03] <cge> A3on: If I recall, you need to install esmtp and esmtp-run
[11:03] <ChrisNiemy> cge: whoo, it works with amarok, had to delete the ~/.xine directory. and I guess the flac files which were produced by grip, had wrong parameters or so, another flac file which i made with soundconverter works.
[11:04] <cge> ChrisNiemy: strange
[11:04] <ChrisNiemy> cge: it is ;)
[11:04] <Jaeke555> Vuen: So true, but it seems that I'm close to end since it installed Open office already
[11:04] <cge> A3on: And then installing rkhunter should work without pulling in exim4
[11:04] <volvoguy> does anybody know of an iPod video encoder as simple as iSquint on Mac? Man I love that thing but my x86 machines have so much more horsepower than my G4 iBook.
[11:05] <cge> volvoguy: Can mencoder do it?
[11:05] <fredl> rasputnik, that worked easily enough :)
[11:05] <Jaeke555> Vuen: and the installation seems to constantly have problems with the fonts
[11:05] <A3on> cge, one question though Exim is a deamon right?
[11:05] <cge> volvoguy: Although that certainly doesn't satisfy the simple requirement.
[11:05] <cge> A3on: yes
[11:05] <fredl> so is there still a 'commercial' version of VMWare?
[11:06] <volvoguy> cge, it CAN - but it's not "push go" simple like iSquint (isquint.org if you want to peek at the UI).
[11:06] <A3on> cge, then that explains why even after an uninstall it still has that port open and shows, from nmap, that exim is still listening on it
[11:06] <volvoguy> fredl, yeah. the "Workstation" version - and all the commercial server stuff.
[11:06] <cge> A3on: Even though you uninstalled it?
[11:06] <A3on> cge, yes
[11:07] <chuckyp> How slow is windows xp through vmware?
[11:07] <cge> volvoguy: push go simplicity isn't there yet with linux.
[11:07] <cge> chuckyp: slow
[11:07] <A3on> cge, ill be back let me restart my system
[11:07] <charlie5> hi again ... anyone know what these in fstab are for ...    UUID=a8f244
[11:07] <fredl> volvoguy, so is that still called ESX?
[11:07] <cge> A3on: you might not have uninstalled the right packages
[11:07] <volvoguy> cge, thanks. i didn't think so. i've done MUCHO googling.
[11:07] <chuckyp> cge, like click on something go get a smoke and come back?
[11:07] <volvoguy> fredl, yeah. that sounds right.
[11:07] <cge> chuckyp: Not *that* slow, but much slower than wine.
[11:07] <cge> chuckyp: If I recall correctly.
[11:07] <tRSS> hey guys. i have a wierd problem. my (k)ubuntu breezy was working fine uptil now. yesterday due to power failure, my machine shutdown abruptly. now when it boots, the screen remains blank. i think X simply fails to start. how do I fix this?
[11:07] <DavidW2> Anyone having problems with mysql?
[11:08] <volvoguy> isquint is freeware. i wonder if they'd consider opening the source for linux comilation. it's not a super FANCY GUI, just super simple.
[11:08] <fredl> see, I like VMWare a lot, I've been trying stuff with the free server and that seems pretty stable... this was basically one test, to see how it stand migrating to newer version of kernels and all
[11:08] <Vuen> Jaeke555: just out of curiosity, what is this machine for that you're installing ubuntu on? is it a server for an office or is it just for a home computer or office workstation?
[11:08] <fredl> I've heard though that ESX outperforms the free VMWare server by orders of magnitude.
[11:09] <fredl> can anybody confirm that?
[11:09] <Jaeke555> Vuen: its supposed to serve as a webserver later, when I get the stuff installed on it
[11:09] <volvoguy> fredl, i have the commercial workstation (a version or two old) and the free player is just as stable at running VMs (of course the player can't create them). i honestly haven't tried the free or commercial server products yet.
[11:09] <Vuen> Jaeke555: ah.
[11:10] <asdjjaad> hey guys, I have Core2duo on Intel 965 MO with SATA HD, edgy fails to install
[11:10] <crimsun> asdjjaad: known issue, no ETA.
[11:10] <Jaeke555> vuen: work related stuff, some two dudes asked me from something they have absolutely no idea, so, if they want an old version, I'll give them an old version :D
[11:10] <ChrisNiemy> cge: i got it: in grip in the encoder section there are wrong parameters by default. i manually converted a wav with command-line flac and that works, though the with grip created flacs do work with gstreamer. however, thanks for listening ;))
[11:10] <fredl> volvoguy, I have not done any measurements on the free version....
[11:10] <Vuen> Jaeke555: dapper isn't an old version, in fact for a webserver dapper is the right version to install.
[11:10] <asdjjaad>  crimsun: are there any workarounds ?
[11:11] <fredl> volvoguy, but I'm thinking about buying one whopping server for my company and installing ESX on that.
[11:11] <crimsun> asdjjaad: none that are very effective.
[11:11] <volvoguy> fredl, i've not done any benchmarking either. just going by "feel".
[11:11] <asdjjaad>  crimsun: too bad.
[11:11] <Jaeke555> Vuen: I still would have chosen the most up-to-date version, just incase...
[11:11] <fredl> and I'm wondering if the price warrants the benefits.
[11:11] <volvoguy> fredl, just out of curiosity have you looked at Xen yet?
[11:11] <vegansickle> hey1
[11:11] <Vuen> Jaeke555: not really, you're still better off with dapper because it's LTS.
[11:11] <asdjjaad>  crimsun: Mandriva 2007 works
[11:11] <Staz> So is there a known fix for the black screen on boot of edgy live cd?
[11:11] <fredl> volvoguy, nope, I haven't. I've heard about it though. is that production quality?
[11:11] <cge> ChrisNiemy: Interesting
[11:12] <cge> ChrisNiemy: You should file a bug about it.
[11:12] <Jaeke555> Vuen: LTS?
[11:12] <Vuen> Jaeke555: even though edgy is newer, dapper will be supported for a full year longer on desktop, and two years longer on server
[11:12] <asdjjaad>  crimsun: thanks buddy
[11:12] <volvoguy> fredl, i don't know. some commercial distros are shipping it standard. i haven't tried it yet either though.
[11:12] <sephyraie> i was having the DCOPserver errors
[11:12] <Vuen> Jaeke555: LTS means long term support. it means it will be supported for 3 years desktop, 5 years server instead of the 1.5/3 years edgy will be supported
[11:12] <fredl> volvoguy, well there's plenty of xen packages in the edgy repos....
[11:12] <Vuen> which means dapper will still be getting security updates long after edgy is discontinued
[11:13] <volvoguy> fredl, it might be worth a look through howtoforge and the wiki/forums. :)
[11:13] <fredl> volvoguy, is xen supposed to give same functionality as VMWare?
[11:13] <volvoguy> fredl, AFAIK, yes.
[11:13] <A3on> cge, yeah a restart fixed it
[11:13] <ChrisNiemy> cge: ok, this morning im getting used to launchpad it seems ;)
[11:13] <volvoguy> fredl, maybe not as easy to configure though. not sure.
[11:13] <sephyraie> its this DCOPclient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected
[11:13] <fredl> volvoguy, can it also run standalone or does it need a host OS?
[11:14] <Jaeke555> Vuen: What support?
[11:14] <Jaeke555> Vuen: I actually get support with open-source?
[11:14] <volvoguy> fredl, it needs a host OS. i've seen how-to's for really stripped down debian though that wouldn't use much resources. i think there's a Xen livecd that might answer some questions for you.
[11:14] <Vuen> Jaeke555: of course.
[11:14] <Juhaz> fredl, similar, but no the same. it doesn't emulate few things vmware does, so it needs hardware virtualization support or modified guest os
[11:15] <Vuen> Jaeke555: you're installing the server edition of ubuntu dapper; it will be supported in security updates and patches for another four and a half years.
[11:16] <Jaeke555> vuen: sweet!
[11:16] <fredl> juhaz, do you know if Xen also has possibilities like what I've seen briefly from VMWare, like migrating a virtual server from one piece of hardware to another?
[11:16] <boink> dapper is a "LTS" release
[11:16] <jdt> whats the story with the fonts in kubuntu edgy?
[11:17] <Vuen> Jaeke555: ubuntu's is not just a piece of experimental throwaway software by a bunch of computer geeks. it's a real full-blown operating system, just like windows or osx.
[11:17] <A3on> cge, be back in a second again need to check something
[11:17] <steal> hi all
[11:17] <sephyraie> jdt : get automatix
[11:17] <Juhaz> fredl, no idea
[11:17] <steal> do you  ever seen  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1526129
[11:17] <boink> ubuntu is based on the debian OS
[11:17] <steal> i've got the same problem
[11:17] <volvoguy> fredl, i think you can move VMs to different hardware with Xen. you should doublecheck that fact though. :)
[11:18] <Vuen> ubuntu is serious business!
[11:18] <Vuen> :)
[11:18] <steal> what can i do?
[11:18] <Juhaz> fredl, looks like it does
[11:18] <jdt> sephyraie: Thanks, I have it. However I have noticed that under gnome fonts in applications and the internet are fine, however in KDE they are quite hard on the eye.
[11:18] <fredl> juhaz,volvoguy, just looking into the VMWare Infrastructure 3 suite....
[11:19] <volvoguy> ok. i'm set as away but i really need to go away for a while now. i'll be back  in a bit, i'm sure. :)
[11:19] <Spee_Der> Good day folks, time for me to get to work....  Stay cool.
[11:19] <sam_ubtoo> does anyone have the name for the Chinese chatroom? *****************
[11:19] <Spee_Der> !ch
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <fredl> juhaz,volvoguy: what I'm talking about is apparently called VMotion
[11:19] <fredl> Move running virtual machines from one physical server to another with no impact to end users.
[11:19] <volvoguy> fredl, never heard of that.
[11:20] <sam_ubtoo> :(
[11:20] <Spee_Der> SAM_theman: I think it is #ubuntu-ch, not sure though.
[11:20] <Juhaz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen#Virtual_machine_migration
[11:20] <fredl> it's part of the VMWare Infrastructure 3 Enterprise....
[11:20] <sam_ubtoo> i thik cn is switzerland
[11:20] <sam_ubtoo> not china.
[11:20] <Jaeke555> Vuen: I didn't know that some people actually contribute so much time on open-source :)
[11:20] <crimsun> sam_ubtoo: cn is china.
[11:20] <sam_ubtoo> china is something like zh or something i cant remmeber
[11:20] <Spee_Der> sam_ubtoo: #ubuntu-ch = china, i think
[11:20] <Jaeke555> Vuen: That sounds even better than Microsoft "support"
[11:20] <bill_> is there a christian channel
[11:20] <sam_ubtoo> ch isnt china.
[11:21] <Vuen> Jaeke555: well it's not entirely volunteer. a lot of open-source programmers get paid just like proprietary programmers
[11:21] <Spee_Der> Hang on I'll find it for you.
[11:21] <fredl> wow juhaz.
[11:21] <sam_ubtoo> bill??  ~~  does jesus support windows or Linux?
[11:21] <volvoguy> Jaeke555, these people in here are amazing aren't they?!
[11:21] <fredl> Xen sure sounds impressive.
[11:21] <crimsun> zh is the locale prefix, yes. cn is the iso CC.
[11:21] <bill_> LINUX
[11:21] <sam_ubtoo> oh is tht true?
[11:21] <sam_ubtoo> no wonder you can access more X rated vidos on linux
[11:21] <Vuen> Jaeke555: the way open-source projects make money is that corporations pay for enterprise versions of software
[11:22] <Jaeke555> Vuen: That sounds even better than Microsoft "support"
[11:22] <Spee_Der> sam
[11:22] <bill_> sam why bash me
[11:22] <Spee_Der> try #ubuntu-cn
[11:22] <fredl> juhaz, so are you running Xen yourself?
[11:22] <Jaeke555> Vuen: yeah, I knew that :)
[11:22] <Vuen> for example, you can install fedora core for free if you're a home user, or you can purchase red hat enterprise for a corporation. corporations purchase this for reasons of direct support and liability
[11:22] <bill_> i came in here like all friendly
[11:23] <Spee_Der> sam_ubtoo: I tried that, but no one in there.
[11:23] <Vuen> that's why the home versions can be free, because you pay big bucks for corporate support and liability.
[11:23] <Juhaz> fredl, nope. I don't have any virtualization needs
[11:23] <fredl> Hmm, anybody here who has first-hand experience using Xen?
[11:24] <bill_> I am a TRUE Christian and do not do that stuff (xrated)
[11:24] <Vuen> it's sortof the same model with ubuntu, except there isn't a public/generic costly server edition. rather, ubuntu makes specialized projects for a fee
[11:24] <volvoguy> sam_ubtoo, you could try asking here and hope translation isn't an issue. :)
[11:24] <volvoguy> bill_, amen.
[11:24] <Vuen> for example, say NASA wants a linux distribution to run the shuttle, they'd approach mark shuttleworth and he'd make them a customized ubuntu distribution just for them
[11:25] <Vuen> that's just an example, obviously.
[11:25] <bill_> vol is there a Christian Channel around
[11:25] <Spee_Der> Good morning volvoguy
[11:25] <Spee_Der> Interesting nick you have.
[11:25] <A3on> cge, esmtp is the way to go, no listening of ports and allows rkhunter to be installed as well - im just super paranoid about progs attached to ports - its bad enough that i use tor ^^
[11:25] <volvoguy> fredl, i haven't tried this, but there's a live cd that might be good for getting your feet wet. http://www.xensource.com/xen/downloads/
[11:25] <volvoguy> Spee_Der, thanks!
[11:26] <chad> i have a .bin file(cd image) how can i mount it?
[11:26] <Jaeke555> Vuen: I ran apt-get update and upgrade, so its time to reboot now?
[11:26] <Spee_Der> volvoguy: My Volvo is a 2001 with 565 HP and 18 forward gears.  8-)
[11:26] <sam_ubtoo>
[11:26] <fredl> mega-cool volvoguy, I'll certainly try that before I decide spending money on VMWare.
[11:26] <Vuen> Jaeke555: did it say no upgrades available?
[11:26] <Jaeke555> Vuen: no, it got some stuff
[11:27] <Vuen> do it over again
[11:27] <Vuen> to make sure
[11:27] <Vuen> do update then upgrade
[11:27] <josh_> how do i gksudo?
[11:27] <Jaeke555> Vuen: Now its 0 upgraded
[11:27] <sam_ubtoo>
[11:27] <sam_ubtoo>
[11:27] <sam_ubtoo>
[11:27] <Vuen> Jaeke555: perfect, you're finally ready to reboot :D. type sudo reboot
[11:27] <volvoguy> Spee_Der, unfortunately i had to finally get rid of my '85 240 wagon, as it seemed to be a good target for other people to run into and finding body parts got too difficult.
[11:27] <bilss_> hi
[11:27] <josh_> how do i gksudo?
[11:27] <Spee_Der> Bummer.
[11:28] <Jaeke555> Vuen: is 'sudo reboot' as gentle as 'sudo shutdown -r now' ?
[11:28] <Vuen> Jaeke555: yeah, it's the same thing
[11:28] <bilss_> what is the command line to see how much spave you have used on a partition?
[11:28] <fredl> Hmm not too many people talking on #xen
[11:28] <Spee_Der> Gott'a go to work, have a great day folks. . . . .
[11:28] <chad> i have a .bin file(cd image) how can i mount it?
[11:28] <fredl> volvoguy, downloading the iso right now, real curious :)
[11:29] <Vuen> Jaeke555: reboot whichever way you want. even pressing ctrl+alt+delete should give you the same soft reboot
[11:29] <volvoguy> fredl, cool. let me know how it works if you catch me here again!
[11:29] <josh_> how do i gksudo?
[11:29] <Jaeke555> Vuen: okays...
[11:29] <josh_> how do i gksudo?
[11:29] <sam_ubtoo>       #ubuntu-zh
[11:29] <Vuen> josh_: what would you like to gksudo?
[11:29] <Vuen> josh_: press alt+f2, and type in your command
[11:29] <fredl> volvoguy, well I'll be around for a while :) one thing that most interests me is the hardware support in Xen
[11:29] <josh_> oh really?
[11:29] <josh_> ok
[11:29] <fredl> volvoguy, since for VMWare it's kinda picky I think....
[11:29] <bilss_> i think Xen comes with the new install of ubuntu
[11:30] <Jaeke555> Vuen: So the GUI I just downloaded and installed is most up-to-date?
[11:30] <chad> i have a .bin file(cd image) how can i mount it?
[11:30] <bilss_> or else try howtoforge.com plenty of howtos and help
[11:30] <cge>  A3on: you use tor for everything?
[11:30] <fredl> volvoguy, but that may be for ESX only...
[11:30] <Vuen> Jaeke555: for dapper, yes.
[11:30] <volvoguy> fredl, yes it's a bit picky.
[11:30] <Jaeke555> Vuen: It seems to start just fine :)
[11:30] <TLE> bilss_: df -h
[11:30] <Vuen> Jaeke555: :) congratulations.
[11:30] <ben_underscore> hi all
[11:30] <bill_> IS THERE A CHRISTIAN CHANNEL AROUND
[11:30] <bilss_> TLE: thanks
[11:31] <Vuen> bill_: try asking in #freenode
[11:31] <bilss_> bill_ Hare Krishna
[11:31] <volvoguy> bill_, there's a Christian Ubuntu, so I'd assume so.
[11:31] <Vuen> ichthux? :p
[11:31] <bill_> Thanks all
[11:31] <A3on> cge, not everything, just a few things
[11:31] <cge> A3on: ah
[11:31] <spin1> vuen: lol
[11:31] <ben_underscore> i just tried to start network manager, but it didn't ask me for the sudo password. i cannot remember if it should do this ...
[11:32] <fredl> bill_ could you try #ubuntu-offtopic if you're going to yell?
[11:32] <Vuen> ben_underscore: what command did you type?
[11:32] <bilss_> TLE: i want to pate bin something for you is that ok?
[11:32] <Vuen> ben_underscore: and where did you type it?
[11:32] <TLE> bilss_: yeah sure
[11:32] <bilss_> TLE ; ok
[11:32] <ben_underscore> Vuen: well i just ran system --> administration --> networking
[11:33] <simira> what is a good application to get my webcam online?
[11:33] <ben_underscore> hey i just discovered a new feature of gnome irc - history through the up/down arrows!
[11:33] <A3on> cge, there is a something else it seems i have port 59340 tcp open but nothing showing up as to what prog my be listening on it though nmap and the command  sudo netstat -a doesnt even show the port as open - whats going on?
[11:33] <volvoguy> bill_, looks like #christian-ubuntu is the place.
[11:33] <volvoguy> bill_, i'll come check it out myself.
[11:33] <apokryphos> ben_underscore: I don't know of an IRC client that *doesn't* have that 8)
[11:34] <Vuen> ben_underscore: hmm, and it didn't do anything? that's very strange
[11:34] <Vuen> ben_underscore: i don't use gnome so i can't really help, sorry
[11:34] <TLE> bilss_: btw I just recently made a small script to modify df. So I have a partition called data. So I can do "DF data" and then it highlights the line containing the data partition
[11:35] <ben_underscore> apokryphos: :-p
[11:36] <bilss_> TLE: just a simple explaination would be fine  http://pastebin.ca/241583   - ok can you pastebin the script please
[11:37] <ben_underscore> Vuen: no it did something, it just didn't execute via sudo, and hence couldn't modify any of the system files with a root permission
[11:38] <cge> A3on: What about netstat -lt?
[11:38] <A3on> cge, btw this is on <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:41] <TLE> bilss_: Well I can only explain some of it. The hda1 is the only HD partition. I don't actually know why all the other ones are listed here.  And as you can see you have used 6% of the 36Gb on that partition
[11:41] <A3on> cge, yes that seems to show that the local host is listening on that port, which seems to go along with why on <IP_ADDRESS> that port is open as well - do you why it is open and that would be used or listening on it?
[11:42] <cge> A3on: use sudo netstat -ltp
[11:43] <ChrisNiemy> cge: rm ~/.grip and rm ~/.xine was it. I must have messed the settings in grip.
[11:43] <cge> ChrisNiemy: ah
[11:43] <ChrisNiemy> cge: no bug
[11:43] <A3on> cge, hmm it says python is on that port why is that?
[11:43] <cge> A3on: one moment
[11:44] <cge> A3on: what port was it again?
[11:44] <bilss_> TLE: ok thanks can you paste the script you have please
[11:44] <A3on> cge, localhost:59340
[11:45] <Jaeke555> Vuen: Do you remember the key combo how I change my screen from Graphical to text-based?
[11:45] <cge> A3on: Get the PID of the python process, and do ps axw | grep $PID
[11:45] <crimsun> Jaeke555: ctrl+alt+F1 ?
[11:45] <Jaeke555> Vuen: And do you know a command that shows all on going processes?
[11:45] <Jaeke555> crimsun: gotta try that when the machine starts :)
[11:46] <YogSothoth> hi
[11:47] <TLE> bilss_: But actually in your case since you only have one partition is might not be that usefull for you. Instead if you only want to see that one partition you can do something smarter. First do "df -T" to figure out which filesystem type your partion uses. Maybe ext3. And then if it is ext3 you can do like this "df -h -t ext3"
[11:47] <Vuen> Jaeke555: ps aux
[11:48] <Vuen> you can find a process like this: ps aux | grep <name>
[11:48] <fredl> volvoguy, burning the CD now :)
[11:48] <Jaeke555> Crimsun: how do I get back to graphical from text-based?
[11:48] <A3on> cge, it seems the PID number relates to python /usr/sbin/hpssd, which seems to suggest some hp printing service or deamon?
[11:48] <Vuen> Jaeke555: top is the more popular process-watcher, but i have no idea how it works :p. ps aux just spits out the list.
[11:48] <TLE> bilss_: If that is good for you we can make a alias instead it is easier
[11:48] <crimsun> Jaeke555: alt+F7
[11:48] <Jaeke555> crimsun: thanks
[11:49] <volvoguy> fredl, sweet!
[11:49] <fredl> I'm wondering what kind of host OS is on this Xen demo cd
[11:49] <bilss_> TLE:Filesystem            Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[11:49] <bilss_> /dev/hda1              36G  2.0G   32G   6% /
[11:49] <bilss_>  yes it is ext3
[11:49] <fredl> would be cool if it's Ubuntu :P
[11:50] <apokryphos> probably suse
[11:50] <YogSothoth> I try to run Loki's SimCity 3000 on Ubuntu Edgy. I have libg++<IP_ADDRESS>-glibc2.2 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 installed and SC3U is patched with sc3u-2.0a-x86.run. I have an error when I try to launch the game:  sc3u: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. The lunch command I use is LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 /usr/local/bin/sc3u and I can find libdl.so.2 in /lib/tls/i68
[11:50] <YogSothoth> 6/cmov and in /lib.
[11:50] <fredl> is Xen a suse effort?
[11:50] <fredl> I thought I heard Redhat...
[11:50] <blujay> Could I get a dev to look at a bug that needs attention quite badly?  It at least needs a priority set, pronto.  Bug#64841
[11:50] <fredl> but it seems Novell is doing a lot of great work too.
[11:51] <halex> Xen is mainly Novell, but Red Hat wants a piece now..
[11:51] <bilss_> TLE thanks for that command it is useful you see i am thinking of installing Xen on dapper i have a mail server with mimimal X
[11:51] <halex> :)
[11:51] <blujay> YogSothoth: maybe you can make a symlink in the dir where it's looking
[11:52] <fredl> bills_ maybe getting the Xen demo CD is a good idea for you too?
[11:52] <Juhaz> neither, but no doubt they both are contributing and integrating it into their distros
[11:52] <blujay> YogSothoth: try linking it in /usr/local/lib or /usr/lib
[11:52] <YogSothoth> blujay, How can I now where it's looking?
[11:52] <YogSothoth> blujay, ok
[11:52] <blujay> YogSothoth: or maybe you need to adjust the path where the system looks for libs...but I don't remember how :)
[11:52] <YogSothoth> blujay, I already tried /usr/local/lib
[11:52] <fredl> well lemme reboot into that Xen demo brb
[11:52] <cge> A3on: It is the hplip printing system.
[11:52] <blujay> YogSothoth: try /usr/lib, I'd be surprised if that doesn't fix it
[11:53] <apokryphos> it could actually be debian
[11:53] <cge> A3on: If you don't have an hp printer, you can disable it with update-rc.d -f remove hplip
[11:53] <TLE> bilss_: ok if you want to make a alias, you can give that command a name, say DF. The open ~/.bash_aliases and paste this line: alias DF="df -h -t ext3"
[11:54] <A3on> cge, no i do - but cge man you have been very helpful here today and I thank you greatly; btw linux rocks and ubuntu rules ^^
[11:54] <bilss_> TLE: ok thanks I will do that
[11:54] <TLE> bilss_: then open ~/.bashrc and make sure the 3 line starting with "if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ] ; then" is uncommented, meaning that there is no # in front
[11:54] <YogSothoth> blujay, it does not fix that :-(
[11:54] <cge> A3on: You're quite welcome.
[11:55] <A3on> cge, if only i had you knowledge, perhaps one day ^^ - peace man
[11:55] <blujay> YogSothoth: hm, sorry...I guess if I were you I'd google for error messages about not being able to find shared libraries in general
[11:55] <bilss_> TLE: thanks it will be useful
[11:55] <YogSothoth> blujay, ok thanks
[11:55] <hugo1> splith
[11:55] <blujay> good luck
[11:56] <TLE> bilss_: you're welcome
[11:56] <[118] Gatekeeper> hi i have a question about edubuntu
[11:56] <bilss_> blujay: do you remember you help me on time with my partition
[11:56] <blujay> bilss_: sorry, I don't recognize your name, so...no :)
[11:57] <blujay> bilss_: but I'm flattered that you remember me :)
[11:57] <bilss_> blujay: just thought id mention it
[11:57] <badm0j0> hi, i'm trying to install ubuntu
[11:57] <blujay> bilss_: cool :)  did you get it fixed?
[11:57] <samyboy> Hi there, i would like to connect to a mac os x with my ubuntu box, using the afp protocol. is it possible ?
[11:57] <badm0j0> but i have real trouble to do so
[11:58] <bilss_> blujay: kind of so long as i do not mess up its ok
[11:58] <badm0j0> anyone who has an msi k9nu board
[11:58] <blujay> bilss_: what is the problem?
[11:59] <BeanBag> is XGL really that great?
[11:59] <gaurav> cge, hi
[11:59] <bilss_> blujay: well evrytime i try to partiion i always get some problems I am happy just not with eceything on one partition but thibking ahead to Xen
[11:59] <cge> gaurav: hello
[11:59] <blujay> BeanBag: I don't know, but AIGLX is :)
[11:59] <blujay> bilss_: I see
[11:59] <Vuen> BeanBag: xgl on its own doesn't really do anything.
[12:00] <Vuen> beryl is that great though :D
[12:00] <thyko> how do i configure networking from the command line?
[12:00] <Tompu> is there any actual reason to use XGL anymore?
[12:00] <[118] Gatekeeper> i have a problem with edubuntu: the system read the kernel and initrd than it halted
[12:00] <[118] Gatekeeper> from cd boot
[12:00] <Vuen> thyko: depends what you want to do. a lot of networking commands start with if, such as ifconfig
[12:00] <Vuen> so you can start with "man ifconfig"
[12:00] <Vuen> i don't really know anything beyond that
[12:00] <BeanBag> Vuen: sorry, my mistake
[12:00] <azcazandco> Hi can anyone help me get my folders view back in nautalis?
[12:00] <gaurav> cge, Please refer to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30408/
[12:00] <bilss_> blujay: i think its the harddrive its a lbtop 18 months old but do not want to upgrade to dapper but nice to have Xen there
[12:01] <Vuen> BeanBag: look on youtube for videos of compiz in action
[12:01] <gaurav> cge, is it expected ??
[12:01] <BeanBag> Vuen: How does one install Beryl in ubuntu dapper drake?
[12:01] <blujay> bilss_: you are running...breezy?  and it's only an 18 month-old laptop?
[12:01] <bilss_> bluejay: sorry upgrade to efty
[12:01] <blujay> bilss_: ah :)
[12:01] <thyko> Vuen: my problem is i have put the right entries in /etc/resolve but its not resolving
[12:01] <blujay> BeanBag: google for the directions, they're quite available :)
[12:01] <gaurav> cge, from a fresh Edgy installation
[12:02] <cge> gaurav: strange
[12:02] <BeanBag> thanks, will do so
[12:02] <Vuen> BeanBag: these would be the most recent directions: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu
[12:02] <bilss_> blujay: dapper is ok as a server efty is not TLS
[12:02] <Vuen> gah
[12:02] <gaurav> cge, I think its broken, could you please check what's in your box
[12:02] <blujay> bilss_: yeah
[12:03] <Vuen> blujay: beryl has been in heavy development for a month and a half, so most installation guides are horribly broken
[12:03] <Vuen> it's best to send people to wiki.beryl-project.org
[12:03] <cge> gaurav: It is find on my box, let me find out what package it is.
[12:03] <bilss_> blujay: dapper is the first in the development as a server
[12:03] <gaurav> cge, I think linuxprinting.org-ppds
[12:03] <cge> gaurav: linuxprinting.org-ppds
[12:03] <azcazandco> anyone?  This is slowing down my workflow loads, ever since upgrading to edgy eft I can no longer use nautalis like I would windows explorer with a list of folders on the left and the folder contents on the right, this this something to so with SE Linux?
[12:03] <blujay> bilss_: yep
[12:03] <bilss_> blujay; efty is an addition
[12:03] <cge> gaurav: Is that not installed?
[12:04] <gaurav> cge, started Downloading that package
[12:04] <blujay> azcazandco: you can fix that by using Konqueror ;)
[12:04] <gaurav> cge, it seems PPD is missing, I've installed from Edgy "AMD64" alternate CD
[12:04] <fredl> Well this is definitely interesting.... I just booted the Xen demo CD and created a Suse virtual machine just like that.
[12:04] <cge> gaurav: that should be installed by default
[12:04] <thyko> why does the box not resolve?
[12:05] <cge> gaurav: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[12:05] <badm0j0> anyone here who can help me with my installation?
[12:05] <blujay> azcazandco: seriously though, no it's not an SELinux problem, you just need to adjust some settings
[12:05] <scheuri> !ask
[12:05] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:05] <fredl> whoops
[12:05] <gaurav> cge, gaurav@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -l |fgrep ubuntu-desktop
[12:05] <gaurav> ii  ubuntu-desktop                        1.30                                 The Ubuntu desktop system
[12:05] <badm0j0> all my pci devices and the onboard LAN doesn't work
[12:05] <fredl> volvoguy, you there?
[12:06] <scheuri> !dontwork
[12:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dontwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:06] <scheuri> !work
[12:06] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[12:07] <volvoguy> fredl, sometimes. what's up?
[12:07] <fredl> volvoguy, logged in from the Xen democd right now.
[12:07] <volvoguy> hey, is there a way to save the chat log for a particular channel?
[12:07] <volvoguy> fredl, cool!
[12:07] <azcazandco> blujay: do you know which settings?  I dont want to use KDE environment
[12:07] <badm0j0> i can configure my network device with a static ip, but when i try to ping the gateway i don't get any replys
[12:07] <fredl> volvoguy, looks pretty spiffy....
[12:08] <azcazandco> also, is Edgy SE Linux?
[12:08] <dools> i just typed 'mail' on the command line and it said the command was not found. how should i read locally delivered mail on ubuntu?
[12:08] <badm0j0> its all on dapper 64 bit version
[12:08] <fredl> doesn't come with a default way to create an Ubuntu VM though :P
[12:08] <volvoguy> fredl, are there virtual machines available on the cd?
[12:09] <azcazandco> blujay: if I browser to the root dir in nautalis, I can't see all the files but I can browse them no worries on the command line as my current user
[12:09] <fredl> volvoguy, yes, you can create a Debian Etch / CentOS 4.1 / OpenSuse 10.0 vm using a command as simple as 'xm create -c <configfile> name=my-vm-name'
[12:09] <Vuen> hey #ubuntu, how do i get the UUID of a partition?
[12:10] <volvoguy> fredl, sweet! now i'm going to need to download it. :)
[12:10] <fredl> volvoguy, I think the host distro is actually Debian.
[12:10] <mrgwen> hello i've a little question about the kernel options of ubuntu : is the kernel compiled with the midi support ?
[12:10] <fredl> well lunchtime here, bbl
[12:10] <gaurav> cge, is that bug that this package is excluded ?
[12:10] <halex> mrgwen, yes, but I think you also need to download a software synth to get any sound from your MIDI device..
[12:10] <edeca> Vuen: Check /proc/ide/<drive>*
[12:11] <mrgwen> halex: thanks
[12:11] <edeca> Anybody know the best place to ask about md RAID if I've got a broken array?
[12:11] <jarrad> What is the key combination to kill a task>?
[12:11] <edeca> jarrad: Control-c
[12:11] <Vuen> edeca: i can't find anything there of interest
[12:12] <jarrad> edeca: thanks mate
[12:12] <netpython> or kill <proces-id>
[12:12] <volvoguy> fredl, yeah - i think debian too.
[12:14] <pekka> anybody  from finland?
[12:14] <CarinArr> !fi
[12:14] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[12:14] <defrysk> !fi
[12:14] <defrysk> dang :s
[12:14] <pekka> thanks!
[12:14] <CarinArr> ;)
[12:14] <badm0j0> !de
[12:14] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:14] <spin1> #ubuntu, is there any reason other than a bad install disk that my dapper installation would freeze every time I start it?
[12:14] <gaurav> cge, yippee!!
[12:15] <gaurav> cge, it worked :-D
[12:16] <scamboy> was up verybody..
[12:16] <scamboy> evrybody..heheh
[12:16] <BlueEagle> !hi | scamboy
[12:16] <ubotu> scamboy: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[12:16] <howieson26> !de
[12:16] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:16] <scamboy> blueeagle: was up>>>...
[12:17] <weardlan> gack! 6.10livecd still fails boot on sonyVaio with connot access ttyy job cobtrol turned off
[12:17] <howieson26> hallo an alle habe eine defekte libfontconfig1 und auf dem desktop eine richtige wie installiere ich die drber?
[12:17] <BlueEagle> scamboy: I've been up for a couple of hours...
[12:17] <BlueEagle> scamboy: so yes, I was up.
[12:17] <BlueEagle> ubotu: tell howieson26 about de
[12:17] <halex> !ubuntu-de | howieson26
[12:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-de - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:17] <halex> !de | howieson26
[12:17] <ubotu> howieson26: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:17] <scamboy> blueeagle: ur answer should be sky..hehehe
[12:18] <BlueEagle> scamboy: The sky is still up...
[12:18] <weardlan> seems my CD does not mount and subsequently every fails accordingto casper.log
[12:18] <scamboy> !mount
[12:18] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[12:18] <weardlan> are there any boot params I can give it to help it?
[12:18] <scamboy> !grub
[12:18] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:19] <gaurav> cge, thanks for the help :)
[12:20] <volvoguy> hey guys, slightly off topic - but do you know if it's possible to use two powersupplies in one machine? my fileserver is way overloaded with 6 drives in it and i can't afford a new PSU right now.
[12:21] <weardlan> mount and grub aint going to help me much until I can get the live CD up
[12:22] <Vuen> i can't believe this finally worked
[12:22] <Etapien> sure u can volvoguy, as long as you got space for it.
[12:22] <Vuen> i've finally converted my 180 gig partition from vfat to ext3 without losing any data
[12:22] <Vuen> that was amazing
[12:22] <netpython> weardlan, any livecd should do exept when you want to install ubuntu
[12:22] <Vuen> i can't believe my harddrive didn't catch fire and explode
[12:23] <volvoguy> Etapien, cool. it's a monster anyway, so i don't mind it just sitting on top. i was just worried there'd be grounding issues or something.
[12:23] <weardlan> nope, I boot of the live cd, it loads mini kernel, than crashes out with a cannot access tty error
[12:23] <Tompu> Etapien: how would he get it to start? PSU's dont just pump out power without getting flipped on
[12:23] <weardlan> ubuntu and kubuntu
[12:23] <Tompu> volvoguy: sounds like a serious electronics undertaking. you cant just give power to two psu's and expect attached devices to work
[12:23] <volvoguy> Tompu, good point.
[12:24] <Tompu> besides which, i have a fileserver with a 350W supply, and 8 HDD's
[12:24] <weardlan> volvoguy, serious danger of electronic interference, different earths and different timings and different levels.
[12:24] <Tompu> HDD's dont draw all that much power
[12:25] <Tompu> weardlan: he'd need multiple atx connectors on the mobo anyway
[12:25] <volvoguy> Tompu, really? mine is a 280W I think (donated hardware) and it's smokin' hot with 6 drives and 2 P3 550Mhz processors.
[12:25] <volvoguy> Most PSU makers claim heat is the first sign you're underpowered.
[12:26] <Rothbuntu> p2-400 2 hdds :(
[12:26] <Tompu> volvoguy: tried cleaning it out? :D
[12:26] <volvoguy> Tompu, oh yeah - and installed a new fan to make sure it wouldn't crap out.
[12:27] <Tompu> volvoguy: sounds like you really will need to splash out on a beefier psu then
[12:27] <Nabilux> hi all
[12:27] <scamboy> hi
[12:27] <Tompu> volvoguy: i really dont think the cost of a psu justifies the kind of risk you'd be taking trying to wire in two psu's
[12:27] <volvoguy> Tompu, i was afraid of that. I need one in my desktop too now with a new(ish) power-hungry gfx card and stuff.
[12:28] <sc0tt> anyone know what would cause:
[12:28] <sc0tt> mod_handle.c:310: error: label at end of compound statement
[12:29] <i_am_stupid> hi all
[12:29] <scamboy> hi stuoid..
[12:30] <Administrator__> I want to create my own debian based recovery cd, is there a good manual that you guys suggest?
[12:30] <i_am_stupid> Administrator__,
[12:30] <i_am_stupid> we are ubuntu!
[12:30] <i_am_stupid> not debian!
[12:30] <Administrator__> so?
[12:30] <chuckyp> Administrator__, likea  backup of your parition?
[12:30] <i_am_stupid> so we do not support debian
[12:30] <i_am_stupid> #debian
[12:30] <Administrator__> so? ubuntu is debian based
[12:30] <i_am_stupid> so?
[12:31] <Administrator__> chuckyp, kind a like yes
[12:31] <i_am_stupid> ubuntu is an OS
[12:31] <volvoguy> Administrator__, what kind of recovery CD are you looking for?
[12:31] <niksavel> hey all
[12:31] <i_am_stupid> are we talking about windows here?
[12:31] <i_am_stupid> NO
[12:31] <Administrator__> no ubuntu is a distrobution
[12:31] <i_am_stupid> WE ARE NOT
[12:31] <chuckyp> Administrator__, or do you want ot customize a ubuntu live cd?
[12:31] <Administrator__> debian is a distrobution
[12:31] <Administrator__> suse is a distrobution
[12:31] <Tompu> Administrator__: just dont respond to the troll
[12:31] <weardlan> ubuntu is a borked failure that wont boot
[12:31] <i_am_stupid> yes
[12:31] <yakumo> help can convert mp4 using ffmpeg
[12:31] <niksavel> I did this only once and forgot what I'm doing wrong - I have a fat32 partition mounted but only have read-only...   shown all files and folders as owned by root...  what to do?
[12:31] <i_am_stupid> ubuntu is very buggy
[12:31] <Administrator__> chuckyp, I have read about uck, but it's not advanced enough.
[12:31] <i_am_stupid> but hey
[12:31] <i_am_stupid> i mean
[12:31] <yakumo> help can't convert mp4 using ffmpeg
[12:32] <i_am_stupid> its better than debian
[12:32] <weardlan> I'd likde to help find the bugs, 'cept I can't boot it
[12:32] <Tschaka> ./ignore i_am_stupid imho :P
[12:32] <i_am_stupid> because debian is only for geek
[12:32] <i_am_stupid> s
[12:32] <Tompu> yakumo: try mencoder?
[12:32] <weardlan> and ubuntu support seems to be happy to ignore me
[12:32] <chuckyp> Administrator__, well there are many ways to customize the live cd.
[12:32] <weardlan> or sugest I boot hr liveCD
[12:32] <scheuri> the nick says it all...:)
[12:32] <yakumo> ok
[12:32] <Administrator__> chuckyp, basicly, if it would be possible I would just like to modify init scripts of a ubuntu install cd
[12:32] <i_am_stupid> weardlan, i dont ignore you!
[12:32] <dcordes> how can i tell firefox to take up IRC links?
[12:32] <weardlan> which is exactly what *wont* booy
[12:32] <i_am_stupid> ask your question1!!!
[12:32] <Tompu> weardlan: perhaps a more dtailed description of your problem?
[12:32] <volvoguy> yakumo, VLC should be able to do that too.
[12:32] <screener> Hi everyone
[12:32] <apokryphos> !doesn't work
[12:32] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[12:33] <i_am_stupid> !ops
[12:33] <ubotu> Help! Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[12:33] <weardlan> I turn my computer on with the ubuntu 6.10CD in, I select boot, it uncompresses the mini kernel
[12:33] <niksavel> somebody pls help...   read-only mounted fat32 partition..  what to do?
[12:33] <apokryphos> i_am_stupid: what?
[12:33] <weardlan> shows the ubuntu logo
[12:33] <badm0j0> anyone knows if there is a driver for the uli/nvidia M1697 chipset?
[12:33] <chuckyp> Administrator__, let me find you some links
[12:33] <yakumo> vlc? is it like ffmpeg?
[12:33] <weardlan> then crashes out with a cannot access tty ; job control turned off errer and a casper prompt
[12:33] <weardlan> casper.log shows it did not mount the cd
[12:33] <Administrator__> Administrator__, the init script is going to be a recovery, so restoring partition table, restoring mbr, mkfs, nount, restore big tarball(backup). fix grub(mbr) if nesseary, and reboot.
[12:33] <Administrator__> chuckyp, the init script is going to be a recovery, so restoring partition table, restoring mbr, mkfs, nount, restore big tarball(backup). fix grub(mbr) if nesseary, and reboot.
[12:33] <weardlan> there is not likely look /dev/ device for the cd
[12:33] <volvoguy> yakumo, VLC is usually used as a media player, but it can encode files as well - using FFMPEG i believe.
[12:34] <yakumo> ok thnks
[12:34] <volvoguy> yakumo, you might even be able to find the settings it uses by poking around their forums or IRC channel.
[12:34] <apokryphos> i_am_stupid: ??
[12:34] <Administrator__> chuckyp, so if the whole building own recovery cd could be avoided, then, that would be great.
[12:34] <dcordes> anybody?
[12:34] <dcordes> how can i tell firefox to take up IRC links?
[12:34] <i_am_stupid> apokryphos, dont say so
[12:34] <Administrator__> chuckyp, I already tried mkcdrec and mondo. But both are buggy.
[12:34] <i_am_stupid> you are not supid!!
[12:34] <what_if> .leave
[12:34] <what_if> :)
[12:35] <yakumo> i use ffmpeg to convert avi to mpg it works, but when i tr avi to mp4 it did not work
[12:35] <screener> i wana know about my wifi ? i have installed airsnort but the software cant see the divice?
[12:35] <chuckyp> Administrator__, have you seen uck?
[12:35] <karlmarx> hiiiiiiiiii
[12:35] <apokryphos> hello
[12:35] <chuckyp> Administrator__, http://uck.sourceforge.net/?DokuWiki=77b729c5d4708904a8ee681bb6fc2c7f
[12:35] <screener> hi
[12:35] <weardlan> I turn my computer on with the ubuntu 6.10CD in, I select boot, it uncompresses the mini kernel, shows the ubuntu logo, then crashed out with 'cannot access tty job; control turned off'
[12:35] <Administrator__> chuckyp, yes, but it's not advanced enough, and, for example, gnome /kde (X) is not needed.
[12:36] <Administrator__> chuckyp, the init script is going to be a recovery, so restoring partition table, restoring mbr, mkfs, nount, restore big tarball(backup). fix grub(mbr) if nesseary, and reboot.
[12:36] <karlmarx> do you have nvidia graphic card, weardlan?
[12:36] <karlmarx> i had several problems
[12:36] <apokryphos> weardlan: desktop or alternate cd?
[12:36] <Administrator__> chuckyp, I already tried mkcdrec and mondo. But both are buggy.
[12:36] <weardlan> desktop
[12:36] <karlmarx> because i had to use nvidia-legacy-glx drivers
[12:36] <Administrator__> chuckyp, so if the whole building own recovery cd could be avoided, then, that would be great.
[12:36] <karlmarx> but i used nvidia-glx drivers :s
[12:36] <weardlan> desktop cd
[12:36] <karlmarx> so it didnt work
[12:36] <karlmarx> and nobody coul helped me
[12:36] <weardlan> what's 'alternate'
[12:36] <apokryphos> weardlan: using the alternate CD might be a short-term solution, but I recommend filing a bug report.
[12:36] <karlmarx> but i fixed it my self
[12:36] <apokryphos> weardlan: check the faq
[12:36] <karlmarx> its install cd
[12:36] <weardlan> did
[12:36] <volvoguy> yakumo, i use a few different programs to convert to mp4 but not on linux. they all use ffmpeg though in the background I think. you could check out "Videora iPod Converter" (a windows app) or "iSquint.org" (a mac app) to see if they have ffmpeg tweaking tips.
[12:37] <karlmarx> without live cd
[12:37] <weardlan> nobody bothered to respond to it
[12:37] <karlmarx> @@ weardlan
[12:37] <weardlan> filed it at rc1
[12:37] <karlmarx> but you can install it without x server
[12:37] <yakumo> ok thnks
[12:37] <apokryphos> weardlan: I'm afraid you'll just have to give them time. Most bugs will be getting squashed over the next couple of weeks, the developer conference is on.
[12:37] <screener> thanx everyone . . . . bye
[12:37] <volvoguy> weardlan, i've been listening - just don't have any answers for you. i've had laptop problems too, but not that early on in the boot process.
[12:37] <weardlan> alternate is no good if its not live, the polint is to check it's compatbiltuy with my requirements before trashing my install
[12:38] <karlmarx> Linux localh0rst 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
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[12:38] <karlmarx> drwxr-xr-x 27 neoxan neoxan     4096 2006-11-06 10:36 .
[12:38] <karlmarx> drwxr-xr-x  3 root   root       4096 2006-11-03 11:54 ..
[12:38] <karlmarx> drwxr-xr-x  4 neoxan neoxan     4096 2006-11-06 09:19 .aMule
[12:38] <karlmarx> drwxr-xr-x 10 neoxan neoxan     4096 2006-11-05 13:36 .azureus
[12:38] <karlmarx> drwxr-xr-x  3 neoxan neoxan     4096 2006-11-04 16:09 .Azureus
[12:38] <karlmarx> -rw-------  1 neoxan neoxan     5441 2006-11-06 09:26 .bash_history
[12:38] <karlmarx> -rw-r--r--  1 neoxan neoxan      220 2006-11-03 11:54 .bash_logout
[12:38] <karlmarx> -rw-r--r--  1 neoxan neoxan      414 2006-11-03 11:54 .bash_profile
[12:38] <Tompu> !paste | karlmarx
[12:38] <ubotu> karlmarx: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:38] <lunchbox> morning all
[12:38] <niksavel> oh come on for the love of god somebody help me with my idiocy...  I normally mounted my fat32 partition but for some reason only have reading permission to it.... ???
[12:38] <thyko> is there a commandline network configuration tool like slackware's netconfig?
[12:38] <chuckyp> Administrator__, there is tons of documentation on it I just searchd google for customize ubuntu live cd
[12:39] <rigidus> hi all,
[12:39] <Tompu> niksavel: how are you mounting it? automagically via fstab? manually?
[12:39] <ithink> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[12:39] <chuckyp> Administrator__, http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/ubuntu/custom-livecd.htm
[12:40] <Administrator__> chuckyp, thank you.
[12:40] <niksavel> tompu: fstab
[12:40] <rigidus> could anybody help me guys, how to give -i option to postgresql's postmaster process? Thanks :-)
[12:40] <Tompu> niksavel: pastebin your fstab
[12:40] <lunchbox> has anyone sucessfully installed psybnc on ubuntu 6.10?
[12:40] <apokryphos> ithink: your other nick is unbanned, please only use one in the channel.
[12:40] <niksavel> /dev/hda5       /home/niksavel/windows/d  vfat iocharset=utf8,umask=000  0    0
[12:40] <ithink> oooooookay, apokryphos
[12:41] <Dimensions> hi  i have a laptop with ubuntu installed i want to make it dual boot with xp how can i do that ? i dont have extra partition on it ... how do i resize and install xp with it ?
[12:41] <i-am-stupid> you can do it with the installer
[12:41] <volvoguy> can i paste a link in here for someone or do i need the pastebin thing?
[12:41] <apokryphos> actually, wrong unbanning. Hm.
[12:42] <chuckyp> Dimensions, you have ubuntu installed first or xp?
[12:42] <volvoguy> nevermind. he left.
[12:42] <Dimensions> chuckyp:  i have ubuntu installed i want to install xp with it now ...
[12:42] <chuckyp> volvoguy, pastebin is only for more than 4 lines
[12:42] <iwaterball> Dimensions: you can use qtparted to resize, them istall XP then you'll need to manually reinstall and configure grub
[12:42] <volvoguy> chuckyp, cool. thanks.
[12:42] <Dimensions> i dont have extra parition atm i am resizing it .. i have both xp and ubuntu cds with me ...
[12:42] <Dimensions> iwaterball: whats qtparted ?
[12:42] <fredl> Hmmm Xen uses a form of virtualization known as paravirtualization wherein the guest Operating System is modified to use a special hypercall ABI instead of using certain architectural features.
[12:43] <chuckyp> Dimensions, yeah after you resize install xp to the freespace then you can install xp.   Boot back to the ubuuntu live cd and reinstall grub.  Because xp will overwrite it.
[12:43] <iwaterball> Dimensions: its a Linux partitioning tool, similar to partition magic
[12:43] <Dimensions> i_am_stupid: and how ? i have ubuntu cd and xp i guess i can first resize with ubuntu ?
[12:43] <fredl> I wonder... does this mean that say, Ubuntu, needs to be modified to run 'hypercall ABI' under Xen?
[12:43] <chuckyp> Dimensions, yes
[12:44] <Dimensions> chuckyp: how do i resize with ubunttu desktop live cd ?
[12:44] <chuckyp> fredl, why not just use vmware
[12:44] <chuckyp> Dimensions, use gparted
[12:44] <volvoguy> chuckyp, with fredl - long story. :)
[12:44] <Dimensions> i dont have gparted thats the thingy ...
[12:44] <niksavel> tompu: how do I pastebin?  :)
[12:44] <volvoguy> fredl, that's way beyond me. :)
[12:44] <fredl> chuckyp - VMWare is cool. I've checked out the VMWare free server....
[12:44] <CarinArr> !paste
[12:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:44] <Tompu> fredl: it was my understanding that the 'modification' happens automagically from within Xen?
[12:44] <chuckyp> Dimensions, then install it sudo apt-get install gparted
[12:45] <Tompu> niksavel: are you on the system with the fat32 partition now?
[12:45] <Tompu> niksavel: or are you on a different computer
[12:45] <niksavel> tompu: yes
[12:45] <fredl> chuckyp, but I am looking into purchasing VMWare infrastructure.... volvoguy however complicated my issues and pointed me to Xen
[12:45] <niksavel> tompu: I am on the comp
[12:45] <mjr> fredl, generally, the kernel needs to be xen-aware, nothing else needs be modified. (Though with the latest VM-supporting processors from intel and amd, even the kernel may be unmodified, but it'll incur some overhead)
[12:45] <volvoguy> fredl, hehe. :)
[12:45] <niksavel> tompu: I can read the files normally but can't write
[12:45] <Tompu> niksavel: copy and paste the contents of /etc/fstab to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:45] <fredl> Tompu, I don't know for sure, it says something in the Xen wiki though about running paravirtualization on Windows OS and that it's illegal.
[12:45] <volvoguy> fredl, open-source man, you want open-source!!! hehe.
[12:46] <Tompu> fredl: but you're not wanting to paravirtualise a windows OS? are you trying to host ubuntu within windows?
[12:46] <niksavel> tompu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30412/
[12:47] <niksavel> tompu: I see all the files and folders as owned by root...  maybe that's the prob? :)
[12:47] <fredl> Tompu - basically I would *prefer* to have something like Ubuntu as a host OS for Xen. But I would *like* to be able to create Guest VM's from Windows XP, Linux variants and hopefully Nexenta.
[12:48] <Dimensions> thanks guys ...
[12:48] <netpython> +s
[12:48] <niksavel> tompu: what now?
[12:48] <fredl> volvoguy, you're right, and that's always been my philosophy after I bought a redhat CDE cd that broke on the next Redhat release....
[12:48] <CarinArr> niksavel, what are you trying tod o
[12:49] <volvoguy> fredl, been there - done that. :) SuSE in my case.
[12:49] <fredl> volvoguy, that's when I decided that commercial software on opensource distro's is just a bad idea. VMWare however pleases me to know end.
[12:49] <Tompu> niksavel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30414/
[12:49] <niksavel> carnarr: don't have write permissions on mounted fat32
[12:50] <fredl> volvoguy, you really pissed me off with this Xen though :) what I'm seeing right now I really like.
[12:50] <xorllu> hi, how can i disable IPV6 or ignore ipv6 module loading on startup?
[12:50] <volvoguy> fredl, i didn't mean to steer you into infinte complexity on purpose. i just wanted to present another option. Xen might not be at the stage it'll work for you yet so might be better off with VMware.
[12:51] <weardlan> your d: drive niksavel?
[12:51] <Tompu> fredl: i guess you're right about the porting
[12:52] <Tompu> fredl: it does look like you need a modified version to me
[12:52] <niksavel> weardlan: yes
[12:52] <niksavel> tompu: still the same
[12:52] <CarinArr> niksavel, try changing umask to 007
[12:52] <Tompu> niksavel: did you remount?
[12:52] <fredl> yah 'infinite complexity' about covers it volvoguy :) See I will also look into buying hardware that would optimally be supported by either Xen or VMWare, and those may not have much overlap :P
[12:53] <niksavel> sudo mount -a
[12:53] <netpython> vmware is easier to setup and maintain
[12:53] <[118] Gatekeeper> is ohci firewire or usb2.0
[12:53] <Tompu> niksavel: does that remount already mounted filesystems?
[12:53] <[118] Gatekeeper> ?
[12:54] <weardlan> surely fastab line 10 ( from tomputs paste) should be rw?
[12:54] <Tompu> weardlan: oops
[12:54] <Tompu> weardlan: *hides*
[12:54] <fredl> netpython, that may just be a matter of time don't you think? Also, I see that Xen supports stuff that's only available in VMWare infrastructure 3 *enterprise* edition
[12:54] <volvoguy> fredl, if you need this setup sooner than later, i'd stick with VMware and keep an eye on Xen progress. that's my humble (and non-technical) opinion.
[12:55] <netpython> fredl, yes Xen will most likely catchup,and have a nice GUI too someday :-)
[12:55] <Tompu> niksavel: change the ro to rw, and if you mount again, use -v so you can see if it's actually remounting or just leaving the current mount alone
[12:55] <chrmm> Can somone help me with getting the harddrive partiton Windows is on to show in Ubuntu screen?
[12:56] <niksavel> k
[12:56] <fredl> volvoguy, nah I'm not on a deadline or anything. I just figured that VMWare looks like it's 'ready' for production use, in fact it has been for some time.
[12:56] <volvoguy> fredl, yes. that's true.
[12:57] <fredl> volvoguy, I've briefly seen VMWare enterprise and what you can do with that and it's quite amazing....
[12:57] <fredl> volvoguy, to make matters more complicated even, I'm a big Solaris fan....
[12:57] <chrmm> Can somone help me? I cant seem to find out how to show my c: drive (the one windows is installed on) to show in Drapper (6.06)
[12:57] <volvoguy> fredl, i hear ya. i'm an OS junkie in general myself.
[12:57] <fredl> volvoguy, and the BrandZ developments in Opensolaris may well be worth waiting for, more so even than VMWare or any Linux based solution.
[12:58] <netpython> solaris zones :-)
[12:58] <volvoguy> i really want to learn more about the nifty solaris features. i've even been looking at getting some of their hardware (when the money fairy pays me a visit).
[12:59] <fredl> volvoguy, you don't need to get Sun hardware for Solaris....
[12:59] <wedderburn> volvoguy: you can use it on x86 if you want to try it
[12:59] <niksavel> tomou: just sudo mount -v?
[12:59] <volvoguy> fredl, i know. it just seems to be a good value.
[12:59] <fredl> volvoguy, google for Nexenta, best of three worlds, Debian, GNU and Solaris.
[12:59] <niksavel> tompu: just sudo mount -v?
[12:59] <volvoguy> fredl, at quick glance.
[12:59] <volvoguy> fredl, yep. i've tried Nexenta.
[12:59] <nesromancer> dsds
[12:59] <fredl> volvoguy, oh did you? liked it? :)
[01:00] <volvoguy> fredl, it just didn't last very long on my spare (old and cheap) testing machine.
[01:00] <Tompu> niksavel: no, mount -av
[01:00] <chrmm> noone?
[01:00] <volvoguy> fredl, that was the first release though. i should try it out again.
[01:01] <timhaughton> Anyone using Multitail/Hypertail desklets?
[01:01] <volvoguy> is Nexenta officially recognized by Canonical yet? Not supported, but "blessed"?
[01:01] <scheuri> nexenta?
[01:01] <miguel__> Buenas a tod@s
[01:01] <fredl> volvoguy, I'm running alpha 5 in a VMWare VM and it works awesome.
[01:01] <volvoguy> scheuri, basically Ubuntu with a solaris kernel.
[01:01] <niksavel> tompu: said nothing was mounted
[01:01] <miguel__> Tengo un problema con Beryl en Ubuntu Edgy con Aiglx
[01:02] <scheuri> ah...
[01:02] <niksavel> tompu: listed those drives and said already mounted
[01:02] <volvoguy> fredl, ok ok.... downloading the ISO.
[01:02] <niksavel> tompu: should I try a reboot?
[01:02] <Tompu> niksavel: no, you can remount or umount first
[01:02] <miguel__> al maximizar las ventanas se queda el contenido en negro, aun con Strict bindig activado
[01:02] <Cromag> what ?
[01:02] <Cromag> oh
[01:03] <Tompu> niksavel: umount /mountpoint/path/
[01:03] <volvoguy> fredl, is it a combo live/install CD like Ubuntu?
[01:04] <niksavel> said device is busy, twice
[01:04] <volvoguy> fredl, ooh... and there's an alpha 6 now. hehe.
[01:04] <fredl> volvoguy, actually I downloaded the Nexenta VMWare appliance :)
[01:04] <niksavel> tompu: said device is busy, twice
[01:04] <volvoguy> fredl, oh yeah. gotcha.
[01:04] <Tompu> niksavel: easy way will be a reboot then :)
[01:04] <fredl> and then in the alpha5 changed sources.list to unstable and apt-get dist-upgrades, worked like a charm!
[01:04] <niksavel> kay
[01:04] <niksavel> cya soon :)
[01:05] <andy_t_roo> can anyone help me with installing ubuntu on virtual pc? - i get a kernel panic imiditally after selecting an option from the initall install/live boot screen. The same thing occures in a text install from the alternate cd. (this occures in 6.06 and 6.10, both the latest download cd cd images)
[01:06] <fredl> andy_t_roo, VMWare?
[01:06] <volvoguy> fredl, their site just says to use the live CD ISO in VMware. did you get an image from VMware's website?
[01:06] <andy_t_roo> mocrosoft virtual pc 2004
[01:06] <lonran> i am tryin to install mlnet, but i get this error msg when using the browser: Telnet connection from <IP_ADDRESS> rejected (see allowed_ips setting) where can i change the allowed_ips setting? iptables?
[01:06] <fredl> volvoguy, hmmm hang on
[01:06] <miguelinux> Hola a todos
[01:06] <volvoguy> andy_t_roo, you're not going to get much love trying to install linux in Virtual PC.
[01:06] <fredl> volvoguy, ehr... my disk is gone :P I'm still in Xen!
[01:07] <fredl> LOL
[01:07] <volvoguy> fredl, i'll find it. :)
[01:07] <fredl> volvoguy, http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/499
[01:07] <volvoguy> fredl, thx. :)
[01:08] <andy_t_roo> i came in 1/2 way through the vmware discussion - i take it tbat that is a better vm machine to use?
[01:08] <fredl> volvoguy, you got VMWare running then?
[01:08] <fyrestrtr> andy_t_roo: isn't microsoft virtual pc for Mac, and isn't it only designed to be able to install Windows?
[01:08] <scheuri> andy_t_roo: with linux? definitively
[01:08] <fredl> andy_t_roo, not neccesarily better, but cheaper :) Xen!
[01:08] <volvoguy> fredl, i do, but i'm in windows world right now.
[01:08] <scheuri> vmware server is for free too...:)
[01:08] <netpython> what about qemu?
[01:09] <fredl> yeah but vmware server free doesn't have everything I'd want.
[01:09] <netpython> even has an accelerator kqemu
[01:09] <volvoguy> fredl, which reminds me.... have you seen moka5.com? it's more for desktop use, but kinda cool. automatic shared home between VMs and stuff.
[01:09] <fredl> I would like things like VMove (migrating virtual servers flawlessly from one box to another)
[01:09] <niksavel> tompu: just popped back in to give you a big THANK YOU!  :)  it works okay now...
[01:09] <Tompu> niksavel: glad it's sorted :)
[01:10] <fredl> volvoguy, haven't seen that yet. My VMWare experience is only a few weeks old so far and I *do* have some actual work to do LOL
[01:10] <niksavel> bya all
[01:11] <volvoguy> fredl, :) moka5 is more of a "fun" app to play with (although they use VMware Player) - so get your work done first!
[01:11] <gunfus> hi guys, when ever I login I am geting a an error like -bash: /dev/null : permission denied
[01:11] <Dimensions> hi again just wanted to know if linux swap is extended partition or its primary ?
[01:11] <gunfus> anyone familiar with that error?
[01:11] <ailean> what program can i use to encode an ".avi file onto a DVD so that I can play it on DVD players?
[01:11] <fredl> volvoguy, to make matters more complicated there's also Xen Enterprise
[01:12] <volvoguy> fredl, yep - like Ubuntu I think that adds official tech support and such. not sure if it adds any features.
[01:13] <fredl> it's pricey too
[01:13] <netpython> fredl, is labmanager nothing suitable :-)
[01:13] <volvoguy> fredl, for those commercial customers. :)
[01:14] <fredl> haha yeah licenses to please managers that won't have to say then 'well it's, like, free...'  'oh you cheapskate, something that's free MUST suck'
[01:14] <volvoguy> fredl, exactly.
[01:15] <volvoguy> dang. i spent the whole night chatting in here instead of working on my server. oh well.
[01:15] <gunfus> I am getting an error whenever I login, I am geting a an error like "-bash: /dev/null : permission denied" on a server installation
[01:17] <scheuri> gunfus: logging in with what user?
[01:17] <gunfus> scheuri: with a normal user.. the user that the installation created. (is a brand new installation of 6.10 server)
[01:17] <wimpies> anybody here that has had problems with recording from microphone using hda-intel sound ?
[01:17] <fredl> volvoguy, chatting in here can be billed as 'research' to the tax department!
[01:17] <volvoguy> fredl, doh! i get a 404 not found with the Nexenta download.
[01:18] <volvoguy> fredl, not if you don't have any income. :(
[01:18] <netpython> chmod 666 /dev/null
[01:19] <volvoguy> fredl, nevermind. they just replaced it with an alpha6 image and didn't update the link.
[01:19] <fredl> ah :)
[01:19] <jkimball4> how do i permanently add a path to the path env variable
[01:20] <gunfus> netpython: I haven't tried.. but it will probably be reset to its current permission after I restart
[01:20] <gunfus> scheuri: any ideas?
[01:20] <netpython> gunfus, k
[01:20] <pablo_> jkimball4: edit /etc/bash.bashrc and add in last line export PATH=$PATH:/new/path/here
[01:21] <jkimball4> pablo_: how can i refresh the system so that takes affect with restart
[01:21] <netpython> export $PATH
[01:21] <DavidW2> Yeah this mysql thing is a real issue
[01:22] <pablo_> jkimball4: if you edit /etc/bash.bashrc the new path will stay
[01:22] <jkimball4> excellent, thanks netpython, pablo_
[01:22] <Tompu> jkimball4: alternatively, if you only want it to take effect for one user
[01:22] <Tompu> jkimball4: you should edit your ~/.bash_profile
[01:22] <jkimball4> Tompu: okay, great
[01:23] <dominguezgarcia> hola soy nueva en esto y no tengo ni idea
[01:25] <gunfus> scheuri: any help?
[01:25] <tempest130> Hey everybody
[01:25] <xorllu> hi, how can i disable IPV6 or ignore ipv6 module loading on startup?
[01:25] <Lathiat> xorllu: check the forums there is a guide
[01:25] <scheuri> gunfus: frankly no...I am still on dapper
[01:26] <gunfus> scheuri: Thanks.. okay. i found a bug report.. similar.. i will add to that  one. thanks
[01:26] <tempest130> is anyone having trouble with Edgy not resuming?  I've got a Dell c400
[01:26] <Tompu> !blacklist | xorllu
[01:26] <ubotu> xorllu: To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list
[01:26] <xorllu> ubotu, thx!
[01:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <volvoguy> fredl, VMware has a "Xen Gentoo VM running inside a VMware Gentoo VM". :)
[01:27] <volvoguy> like that's necessary.
[01:28] <Rothbuntu> isnt that like dividing by 0
[01:28] <volvoguy> i think so.
[01:28] <XiXaQ> I have installed Xen using the guide at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy, and created a vm using the same guide. That gives me a virtual machine with the base system. I would like to have a complete ubuntu-desktop system. Can I get some help?
[01:29] <tempest130> is anyone having trouble with 6.10 not resuming with a Intel i810 video chip?
[01:29] <Rothbuntu> :D  opps just caused a rip in space time buy opening another vm in a vm
[01:30] <volvoguy> Rothbuntu, and without any Harlem Globetrotters! ;)
[01:30] <fredl> volvoguy, hmppfff I created a Solaris zone inside a VMWare Nexenta VM :P
[01:30] <Rothbuntu> hahah
[01:30] <volvoguy> fredl, when i get that far (probably not today), you'll have to give me a lesson. :)
[01:31] <volvoguy> Rothbuntu, glad somebody laughed. :)
[01:31] <Rothbuntu> tough crowd!
[01:31] <volvoguy> or maybe i'm just immature. :-P
[01:33] <andy_t_roo> well now that we have concusivly proved that you can put vm linux in vm linux in vm.... , does anyone know if anything can run windows at a sensable speed (its reported that xen 3 can do so)
[01:33] <tempest130> DOES ANYONE HERE USES EDGY ON A LAPTOP?
[01:33] <samir85> yes I do
[01:33] <volvoguy> i didn't know Xen could run windows at all.
[01:33] <iwaterball> andy_t_roo: vmware can do that, given you have enough processors (e.g. 2 or more...)
[01:33] <volvoguy> I DO TEMPEST. (ssssh.)
[01:34] <tempest130> volvoguy, does your suspend/resume work?
[01:34] <ndlovu> does anyone know of an open source program that will open .pub (Publisher) files?
[01:34] <volvoguy> tempest130, honestly i haven't tested it yet.
[01:34] <andy_t_roo> i'v a core duo =) thats roughly the answer i was looking for
[01:34] <iwaterball> volvoguy: you need special CPU fraeatures for that (available in newer 2-core CPUs)
[01:35] <volvoguy> iwaterball, for Xen and Windows?
[01:35] <iwaterball> Volstrup: yeah.
[01:35] <iwaterball> volvoguy: to many ppl match "vol*"...
[01:36] <tempest130> ok volvoguy. well on my laptop it stopped when I upgraded to edgy
[01:36] <iwaterball> !xen
[01:36] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[01:36] <volvoguy> iwaterball, ahh... i think i recall reading about hardware assisted virtualization with Intel at least.
[01:36] <volvoguy> tempest130, i think my laptop is handy - i'll go check. brb.
[01:36] <tempest130> ok
[01:36] <iwaterball> volvoguy: I think its mentioned in the XenOnEdgy wiki page
[01:37] <jmspeex> What should I install as a simple ftp server?
[01:38] <volvoguy> iwaterball, gotcha.
[01:38] <Tompu> ndlovu: I can't find anything that will handle .pub
[01:39] <volvoguy> tempest130, i had closed the lid with edgy running and the machine was off when i opened the lid just now - so it didn't automatically suspend to disk. when it's done booting i'll try selecting it from the menu.
[01:39] <ndlovu> Tompu, thanks for looking
[01:39] <andy_t_roo> wiki/Xen  has info in hardware assisted virtualixation
[01:41] <Tompu> !ftp | jmspeex
[01:41] <ubotu> jmspeex: FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[01:41] <tempest130> volvoguy. well my laptop suspends fine, but when I open the lid, the laptop either goes back to the login screen or does't resume when suspended for more than 10 mins.
[01:41] <tempest130> can't even get any help for that.
[01:41] <tempest130> fustrated. I've been using ubuntu for about 2 years now...
[01:42] <mikeymike-linux> hmm
[01:43] <tempest130> thanks volvoguy for checking your laptop. i've got to go.
[01:43] <tempest130> I've should just upgraded Gnome.   Any idea where i can get this?
[01:48] <incorrect> is subversion 1.4 packaged?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> sowdog: did you get the drivers from nvidia?
[01:49] <incorrect> i would really like to use that over 1.3
[01:49] <volvoguy> oh well. X was broken when i rebooted my laptop anyway.
[01:49] <mikeymike-linux> how do you check what version of nvidia drivers you have
[01:49] <sowdog> gnomefreak, naw i'm getting it from amaranth's repositories
[01:49] <mikeymike-linux> i havent changed mine in a WHILE
[01:49] <Tompu> incorrect: ubotu says 1.3.2
[01:50] <Rothbuntu> LOL
[01:50] <mikeymike-linux> hmm
[01:50] <gnomefreak> sowdog: his repo has teh l-r-m package for them sowdog sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx let me know what the first choice it
[01:50] <gnomefreak> is
[01:50] <Rothbuntu> its ok im soon to be Swiss
[01:51] <incorrect> let me get this right, dapper will be supported for the next 3 years but edgy won't ?
[01:51] <mikeymike-linux> whats the latest nvidia-glx ??
[01:51] <gnomefreak> sowdog: first choice should be to install the 8xxx series drivers right?
[01:51] <mikeymike-linux> i have 1.0.8762+<IP_ADDRESS>-5
[01:51] <gnomefreak> !info nvidia-glx
[01:51] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+<IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[01:51] <mikeymike-linux> oh wow
[01:51] <mikeymike-linux> what about for dapper?
[01:51] <jmcdonald> Hi Ubuntu friends. Is anybody kind to answer a couple of questions regarding Ubuntu 6.06 and 6.10, new to this chanel and Ubuntu.
[01:51] <mikeymike-linux> im running dapper
[01:51] <Rothbuntu> Dapper is the main stable release
[01:51] <gnomefreak> mikeymike-linux: your on dappr thats why
[01:51] <mikeymike-linux> ah
[01:51] <Rothbuntu> edgy is a bit of a SP 2  :D
[01:52] <mikeymike-linux> so my version is the most up to date i can have?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> mikeymike-linux: yours is correct for dapper
[01:52] <sowdog> gnomefreak, yeap first choice is to install that
[01:52] <gnomefreak> sowdog: type n
[01:52] <mikeymike-linux> man
[01:52] <Tompu> jmcdonald: just ask away
[01:52] <gnomefreak> sowdog: give me next choice
[01:52] <defrysk> http://amaranth.selfip.com/ has the beta-drivers for nvidia-edgy
[01:52] <mikeymike-linux> its been a while
[01:52] <mikeymike-linux> i guess linux drivers are slower
[01:52] <gnomefreak> defrysk: right now there is issues and it will be a week or two before they are fixed
[01:52] <sowdog> gnomefreak, downgrade to <IP_ADDRESS>-12~amaranth
[01:53] <mikeymike-linux> wow i dont have nvidia-settings installed
[01:53] <defrysk> gnomefreak, I installed it using aptitude
[01:53] <gnomefreak> sowdog: thats teh one you eanty
[01:53] <gnomefreak> want
[01:53] <jmcdonald> ok, I've been using linux now and then but not really serious, now I want to switch to Linux, and like ubuntu
[01:53] <gnomefreak> sowdog: type y
[01:53] <gnomefreak> sowdog: than yes
[01:53] <gnomefreak> than y
[01:53] <gnomefreak> than yes
[01:53] <Tompu> jmcdonald: so far so good
[01:53] <defrysk> gnomefreak, it did some downgrades but worked fine
[01:53] <gnomefreak> defrysk: dont upgrade
[01:53] <weardlan> edgy is borked to the point of pointlessness
[01:53] <jmcdonald> need to know something regarding new releases and packages...
[01:53] <mikeymike-linux> haha
[01:53] <sowdog> gnomefreak, i've no idea how you remembered that sequence... but thanks :D
[01:53] <defrysk> gnomefreak, I didnt
[01:53] <mikeymike-linux> jmcdonald, just ask
[01:53] <defrysk> I downgraded
[01:53] <gnomefreak> defrysk: it will continue to try to install the new l-r-m package
[01:54] <gnomefreak> sowdog: cause i work with it everyday
[01:54] <jmcdonald> when ubuntu 6.06 was out, there were a certain amount of improvements right!, now I need to know if after the final release
[01:54] <gnomefreak> sowdog: do not run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade until its fixed
[01:54] <defrysk> the driver of amaranth runs like a charm here
[01:54] <defrysk> no dist-upgrade inseed
[01:54] <defrysk> indeed
[01:54] <jmcdonald> i can get more updated (NEW) versions of the same packages that came from the release, instead of getting 6.10
[01:55] <gnomefreak> defrysk: runs fine here too just conflicting version numbers and wont be fixed fopr atleast a week
[01:55] <defrysk> but the ones who did can fix the issue with aptitude
[01:55] <mikeymike-linux> jmcdonald, what
[01:55] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[01:55] <gnomefreak> jmcdonald: no
[01:55] <gnomefreak> defrysk: thats not a fix
[01:55] <jmcdonald> so no new version of packages after final release, just security stuff
[01:55] <mikeymike-linux> is he asking for edgy packages on dapper?
[01:55] <defrysk> no its a downgrade
[01:55] <jmcdonald> right?
[01:55] <lastnode> gnomefreak, pm?
[01:55] <gnomefreak> defrysk: workaround
[01:55] <Tompu> jmcdonald: I'm not a dapper user
[01:55] <mikeymike-linux> is edgy worth the hassle
[01:55] <defrysk> gnomefreak, whats in a name
[01:56] <gnomefreak> lastnode: give me a few minutes im gonna run outside for smoke
[01:56] <mikeymike-linux> im happy in dapper
[01:56] <lastnode> gnomefreak, cool
[01:56] <defrysk> in
[01:56] <jmcdonald> I cant get gnome 2.16 instead of default 2.14 from official repos right!
[01:56] <Rothbuntu> everythign has gone smooth for me with edgy so far
[01:57] <weardlan> edgy wont even boot for me
[01:57] <mikeymike-linux> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[01:57] <mikeymike-linux> haha
[01:57] <defrysk> edgy is beryl playgroud
[01:57] <mikeymike-linux> NEW STARTUP!
[01:57] <mikeymike-linux> no wai.
[01:57] <mikeymike-linux> :P
[01:57] <Rothbuntu> mm edgy and xgl/beryl
[01:57] <Rothbuntu> on my core duo laptop
[01:57] <volvoguy> anybody in this room know who the laptop team lead is?
[01:57] <volvoguy> they're all asleep on their channel.
[01:58] <defrysk> with a lap on their top
[01:58] <volvoguy> most likely.
[01:58] <dom_f> mikeymike-linux:   I was also happy in Dapper but upgraded to Edgy.  Following a real horrible time I reinstalled Edgy from scratch - despite this I continued to have a number of problems which I worked thro - eventually however I gave up and am now back in Dapper.  I've decided to leave it a while for those with more knowledge wthan me to work through the issues.
[01:58] <jmcdonald> so to get things clear, I need to know the following:
[01:58] <mikeymike-linux> dom_f, i dont think i'd have a problem fixing the issues
[01:58] <mikeymike-linux> /var/log is your friend
[01:58] <mikeymike-linux> :)
[01:59] <jmcdonald> I will not get any new version of packages that are now shipping in EE from the official DD repositories.
[01:59] <dom_f> mikeymike-linux:  Nor did I - however the one that beat me was "hard" hangs whenever the machine was left overnight.  Serveral people suggested hardware problems but it hasn't happened since I moved back to dapper.
[01:59] <Rasman> Edgy seems worth it for my work desktop and home desktop. I'm not going to upgrade any servers except for a test server.
[01:59] <mikeymike-linux> hardware problems in edgy
[02:00] <mikeymike-linux> dom_f, that sucks
[02:00] <mikeymike-linux> there should be a community of linux hardware users where you input all your parts and it creates a profile... then you compare with other linux users in a database and they all report bugs and fixes.....
[02:00] <Ronaldo\> salut ! ii cineva on sa ma ajute ?
[02:01] <mikeymike-linux> that would be insanely awesome
[02:01] <dom_f> also, strangely, I had to boot with the IRQPOLL option in Edgy (caused by the newer kernel?) or I had no USB - again I don't see this in Dapper.
[02:01] <mikeymike-linux> like oyu can find people who have the same hardware as you... or the majority of the same hardware.....
[02:01] <mikeymike-linux> that owuld be so cool
[02:01] <mikeymike-linux> dom_f, ah that bites
[02:01] <mikeymike-linux> well no sense in leaving dapper when it works :)
[02:01] <iwaterball>  mikeymike-linux: we're almost there with the ubuntu hadware tool (whatitsname)
[02:02] <mikeymike-linux> iwaterball, hmm?
[02:02] <dom_f> iwaterball: Sounds interesting???
[02:02] <mikeymike-linux> wouldn't that be a sweet thing though
[02:02] <mikeymike-linux> i dont mean just in ubuntu though
[02:02] <iwaterball> iwaterball: it can upload which hardware you have, probably there is a db on some canonical server or another
[02:02] <mikeymike-linux> iwaterball, yeah but where's the hardware comparison
[02:03] <stojance> How to assign new shortcuts?
[02:03] <mikeymike-linux> where you get like % matches with other people
[02:03] <mikeymike-linux> thats the part that would make it good
[02:03] <mikeymike-linux> you can find peopl ewho closely match your hardware and distro
[02:03] <mikeymike-linux> and see if they've had bugs
[02:03] <mikeymike-linux> ah god that would be so awesome........
[02:03] <iwaterball> mikeymike-linux: well, mkae a sujjestion of the next version features wiki...
[02:03] <mikeymike-linux> haha
[02:03] <mikeymike-linux> i should
[02:03] <Tompu> mikeymike-linux: there is also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
[02:03] <mikeymike-linux> dont you think that would be effin sweet?
[02:03] <stojance> !shortcuts
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shortcuts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <davro> Sounds like a good idea mike, something so you could register your hardware/system(s) and talk to like minded people with simular issues, sound like a great idea !
[02:04] <stojance> !hotkeys
[02:04] <ubotu> hotkeys: A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (edgy), package size 141 kB, installed size 384 kB
[02:04] <mikeymike-linux> Tompu, oh yeah
[02:04] <mikeymike-linux> davro, yeah it is a good idea
[02:04] <stojance> How TO ASSIGN KEYboard shortcuts???
[02:05] <mikeymike-linux> my idea requires way too much know-how
[02:05] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[02:05] <defrysk> stojance, system> prefs> keyboardshortcuts
[02:05] <mikeymike-linux> i dont even know how to make a database
[02:05] <stojance> NEW ONES
[02:05] <mikeymike-linux> much less write anything that could parse it up
[02:05] <dcraven> stojance, stop yelling. xbindkeys can do shortcuts, and so can metacity.
[02:06] <stojance> how?
[02:06] <mikeymike-linux> lol@ stop yelling
[02:06] <mikeymike-linux> QUIT YELLING!
[02:06] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[02:06] <iwaterball> sssssh....
[02:06] <mikeymike-linux> stojance, are you having gnome-settings-daemon issues?
[02:06] <mikeymike-linux> i keep losing all my shortcuts
[02:06] <mikeymike-linux> no workspace switching...... no printscreen no alt tab.....
[02:07] <mikeymike-linux> its sporatic
[02:07] <sowdog> gnomefreak, do i run dist upgrade now?
[02:07] <stojance> I don't know, I need a new key shortcut
[02:07] <mikeymike-linux> oh
[02:07] <gnomefreak> sowdog: no
[02:07] <gnomefreak> sowdog: dont run it
[02:07] <iwaterball> mikeymike-linux: using Edgy?
[02:07] <mikeymike-linux> no im in dapper
[02:07] <mikeymike-linux> beryl/xgl
[02:07] <iwaterball> mikeymike-linux: k.
[02:07] <gnomefreak> sowdog: dont run dist-upgrade til its fixed or you will be doing that all over again
[02:07] <dcraven> stojance, For metacity, you can configure them at /apps/metacity/global_keybindings, and for xbindkeys you can install it from apt.
[02:08] <sowdog> gnomefreak, so right now it's good to go? just stay away from the dist upgrade button till later?
[02:08] <defrysk> sowdog, yes
[02:08] <defrysk> exactly
[02:08] <gnomefreak> yes for a week or 2
[02:08] <Tompu> !shortcut
[02:08] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts (Gnome) or "input actions" in Kcontrol (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[02:08] <gnomefreak> brb
[02:08] <sowdog> defrysk, gnomefreak  thanks guys that's some sexy stuff
[02:08] <sowdog> going off to test beryl ;)
[02:08] <dcordes> how can i configure firefox to take up irc links`?
[02:09] <Tompu> dcordes: firefox 2?
[02:09] <dcraven> stojance, oops, I forgot to mention that that is /apps/metacity/global_keybindings in gconf-editor.
[02:09] <dcordes> Tompu: yep
[02:10] <stojance> yes, but I need it to run an app, and as far as I can see that is not possible
[02:10] <dcraven> stojance, of course it is.
[02:10] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[02:11] <dcraven> dcraven, I have xbindkeys to run gmrun and gnome-terminal for example.
[02:11] <stojance> How should I select it as: Integer, Boolean, String, List...
[02:11] <kvs> hello! can anybode tell me how to rebuild .deb for linux-restricted-modules-* ?
[02:11] <kvs> err... anybody
[02:11] <defrysk> sudo apt-get build dep <package>
[02:12] <kvs> defrysk: what package it belongs to ?
[02:12] <defrysk> then sudo apt-get source -b <package>
[02:12] <dcraven> stojance, I'm not sure what you're asking.
[02:12] <mikeymike-linux> ok so my idea is really good........
[02:12] <mikeymike-linux> hahaha
[02:12] <mikeymike-linux> ubuntu should adopt it
[02:12] <mikeymike-linux> ubuntu is cutting edge anyway ;)
[02:12] <mikeymike-linux> linux for HUMANS
[02:13] <weardlan> who don't need to use their computers
[02:13] <Tompu> dcordes:  in about:config, set network.protocol-handler.app.irc = /usr/bin/xchat-remote-2    and     network.protocol-handler.external.irc = true
[02:13] <stojance> I Need to run an application called 3D Desktop. How to assign the keys?
[02:13] <defrysk> kvs, build-dep installs the dependencies needed to build the package
[02:13] <defrysk> source -b downloads the source and builds the .deb
[02:14] <Tompu> dcordes: that should probably be xchat-gnome-remote or similar
[02:14] <dcraven> stojance, open gconf-editor, navigate to /apps/metacity/global_keybindings and enter the keystroke you want to enter, say, command_1. Then go to /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands to assign the actual command for command_1.
[02:14] <eXistenZ> Does anyone know a channel on encryption?
[02:14] <dcordes> Tompu: i cant find the irc entry
[02:14] <dcraven> eXistenZ, hey.
[02:15] <Tompu> dcordes: you need to add it
[02:15] <eXistenZ> hey dcraven, how do you do? :-)
[02:15] <dcraven> :)
[02:15] <dcraven> I'm well buddy.
[02:15] <eXistenZ> dcraven, I'm trying to understand function pointers
[02:16] <dcraven> eXistenZ, have fun with that.
[02:17] <dcordes> Tompu: integer?
[02:17] <Tompu> dcordes: string for the first, boolean for the second
[02:18] <eXistenZ> Does anyone know good xorg.conf tweaks for ATI 9200?
[02:22] <Tompu> dcordes: let me know if that works. it actually doesnt look like xchat-gnome-remote works correctly for me
[02:25] <compengi> i'm now running dapper i'm planning to format and install edgy, and i want someone's opinion, should i do it or it's still early because there are many problems in edgy
[02:25] <iwaterball> compengi: wait.
[02:25] <iwaterball> anyone here using Edgy on a desktop machine?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> compengi: as long as you havent used automatix, or installed beryl, you'll be fine to upgrade to edgy.  formatting and installing works fine, anyway.
[02:25] <Tompu> iwaterball: yep
[02:26] <Hobbsee> compengi: edgy wont change much from what it si nwo
[02:26] <iwaterball> Tompu: did you try Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Plus/Minus lately?
[02:26] <cyzie> does ubuntu support Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g 54Mbps Wireless Mini Card  ??
[02:27] <iwaterball> compengi: some breakage, depends on what you use, if you want everything to go smooth I'd recommand waitin a month or so
[02:27] <jmcdonald> thanks for the help, see you next.
[02:28] <compengi> iwaterball, okay i got your opinion concerning this :)
[02:28] <compengi> thanx
[02:29] <compengi> iwaterball, btw in applicatoins list the add/remove program disappeared do you know how to get it back?
[02:29] <iwaterball> compengi: I suppose you use the manu editor in preferences, I use Synaptic so I never noticed...
[02:29] <Tompu> iwaterball: doesnt work
[02:30] <compudaze> i'm using edgy as a desktop
[02:30] <compudaze> also as a server on my server
[02:30] <iwaterball> Tompu: thx, so it isn't just me... you mind responding for my thread in the forums, I'm trying to gather some info on this problem...
[02:31] <compudaze> link?
[02:31] <iwaterball> compudaze: you talking to me?
[02:31] <ailean> what program can i use to encode an ".avi file onto a DVD so that I can play it on DVD players?
[02:31] <Tompu> compengi: right click 'applications', Edit Menus, it's at the bottom of the list
[02:31] <c_lisp> anybody know of a program to record what your doing on the x server?
[02:32] <ailean> so Hobbsee, would you recommend not to install Beryl? :)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ailean: well, you're free to, but dont expect to be able to dist-upgrade off it
[02:32] <ailean> hrm...
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ailean: beryl is very much bling - i dont understand why people like it so much
[02:32] <ailean> they like it because it's bling
[02:33] <c_lisp> :p
[02:33] <c_lisp> yep
[02:33] <Hobbsee> yes, but it gets boring
[02:33] <c_lisp> beryl is nice
[02:33] <mikeymike-linux> its not bling
[02:33] <mikeymike-linux> or boring
[02:33] <compengi> Tompu, i don't have it
[02:33] <c_lisp> and u can update after beryl to
[02:33] <ailean> the geeks need to understand what normal users want
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ailean: sure we do :)
[02:33] <c_lisp> not like you have to format
[02:33] <c_lisp> lol
[02:33] <ailean> the great thing about linux is that you can choose
[02:33] <iwaterball> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=293785 <- please respond there if you have this problem
[02:33] <Tompu> c_lisp: Istanbul
[02:33] <Hobbsee> c_lisp: not when you do crack like backporting xorg and mesa
[02:33] <mikeymike-linux> there's nothing wrong with using beryl
[02:33] <ailean> I consider myself half-geek
[02:33] <mikeymike-linux> its useful
[02:33] <dcordes> how can i convert a bin/cue image to iso?
[02:33] <mikeymike-linux> you can watch 2 desktops at once
[02:33] <ailean> i have beryl, but don't always use it :D
[02:34] <mikeymike-linux> i use mine a lot
[02:34] <Tompu> !info istanbul | c_lisp
[02:34] <ubotu> istanbul: Desktop session recorder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 380 kB
[02:34] <c_lisp> thanks
[02:34] <ailean> hey, does the commercial repo still exist?
[02:34] <Tompu> c_lisp: never tried it myself
[02:34] <compudaze> ailean, it exists, but there's nothing there yet
[02:34] <ailean> cheers compudaze
[02:35] <lakupuu> nice nick
[02:36] <ailean> oh, my Beryl stopped working. I'm supposing that it's because I've upgraded the kernel and it hasn't been XGL'd. Would I be right in saying that?
[02:36] <compengi> Tompu, yesterday i was trying to compile a software which requires libgtkhtml-3.8 i searched for it in the repos and found that i had it but i have also a previous version of it libgtkhtml-2.0 so i thought maybe i should remove it, so i did but when i removed it i removed phython files and other stuff, from which the add/remove program disappeared i tried to reinstall that pack but it only installed a single pack without the other files that it had re
[02:36] <compengi> moved
[02:37] <datil> hi
[02:37] <c_lisp> it works great Tompu
[02:37] <datil> is there support for Intel RAID (ICH8R controller) in 6.10?
[02:38] <Tompu> c_lisp: cool, might try it myself
[02:38] <c_lisp> :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> compengi: run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from a terminal.  and dont do that again.
[02:38] <Tompu> compengi: i dont know enough about the add/remove and synaptic to offer any other advice. im new to ubuntu
[02:38] <Hobbsee> compengi: if you're removing python, something bad is happening.
[02:38] <compengi> Hobbsee, the uninstalled thing did that
[02:39] <Hobbsee> compengi: yes, exactly.  libgtkhtml-2.0 is a lib that you need to keep.