[00:02] <penguin42> it's not unusual for crashes to happen like that - but it depends what happened
[00:02] <penguin42> sometimes it's recoverable (if something just has focus)
[00:03] <irvie> any idea why unity didn't load after a reboot to install ATI drivers?
[00:03] <irvie> i just have a regular menu now
[00:04] <penguin42> probably drivers aren't working and it's not getting 3d
[00:04] <penguin42> irvie: What does you /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[00:05] <irvie> how far down?
[00:05] <irvie> the latest stuff is about suspending AIGLX
[00:05] <irvie> then resuming
[00:06] <penguin42> can you put it into a pastebin?
[00:06] <irvie> fglrx(0): Hot-plug event occurs on device 2:0:0
[00:06] <irvie> the whole thing? sure
[00:06] <elias> indeed, i managed to get input back by killing compiz, nautilus and gnome-panel :)
[00:06] <elias> so about the icons, some themes change the red circles to a blank page
[00:07] <elias> pulseaudio, network manager and keyboard layout icons are the missing one (the 4th disappeared in the gnome-panel restart, don't know what it was)
[00:07] <penguin42> elias: That's odd
[00:09] <irvie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/588038/
[00:09] <irvie> there's the log
[00:12] <irvie> be back in a sec
[00:14] <irvie> any idea why unity didn't load after a reboot to install ATI drivers? Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/588038/
[00:14] <penguin42> irvie: Well it is using the Radeon driver, and there are no major errors - it's got a few things I've never seen before though
[00:14] <irvie> hmm yeah the driver loaded fine..
[00:14] <irvie> i suppose it was using a generic display driver prior
[00:15] <irvie> ooh new things!
[00:16] <penguin42> irvie: I don't get why it's talking about a hotplug event; one thing I did notice was (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@2:0:1) found
[00:16] <penguin42> but I don't think that's a biggy
[00:16] <penguin42> irvie: Try some generic 3d tests like glxgears etc and see the output of glxinfo and just check that's OK, looks like the driver is happyish
[00:16] <irvie> penguin42, i may have plugged a NIC in there
[00:17] <penguin42> irvie: Yeh but this is the X log file
[00:17] <irvie> oh right
[00:17] <irvie> okay one sec, running those diagnostics
[00:17] <irvie> well there are gears spinning
[00:17] <irvie> 5500fps
[00:17] <penguin42> well that's accelerated
[00:18] <penguin42> ok, so when you logged in what was the session setting showing?
[00:18] <irvie> Ubuntu
[00:18] <irvie> i logged out and logged back in just to be sure
[00:19] <irvie> is there a way to force it to load to see if it will?
[00:19] <penguin42> not sure
[00:20] <penguin42> are you getting desktop effects on the windows?
[00:22] <elias> if a bug is invalid because it was already reported, how do i find the previous report? (specifically, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/746657 )
[00:23] <penguin42> elias: A previos report shouldn't mark as invalid, it should be marked as a dupe
[00:24] <penguin42> hmm, odd that Sebastian did that
[00:24] <elias> ah, well, the above is just what i found in google, it's the exact problem i have
[00:27] <irvie> penguin42, i don't believe desktop effects are working
[00:27] <irvie> where can i double check that again?
[00:27] <irvie> i installed compiz config and stuff is enabled
[00:28] <penguin42> irvie: you can try enabling something outlandish like wobbly windows
[00:29] <irvie> yep, they don't appear to be working
[00:29] <penguin42> can you pastebin the output of xlsclients
[00:30] <irvie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/588049/
[00:31] <penguin42> ahha!
[00:31] <penguin42> you're running the old metacity window manager
[00:31] <irvie> i thought i recognized it :p
[00:32] <penguin42> so, erm I'd check the session options during login again and see what else is there, but you could start by trying     compiz --replace    which should flip desktop effects on, not sure if there is an equivalent for unity
[00:32] <irvie> the only other options were something lke ubuntu classic mode
[00:32] <irvie> and safe mode
[00:32] <irvie> i'll give it another reboot though
[00:32] <irvie> brb
[00:32] <penguin42> ok, see what compiz --replace does
[00:33] <irvie> okay
[00:34] <irvie> no joy
[00:34] <irvie> brb!
[00:43] <jakubo> hi, is there finally a way to open and use ms access datadases, or even create ones?
[00:44] <gordonjcp> jakubo: mdbtools
[00:44] <irvie> well i reverted back to whatever driver it's using by default
[00:45] <irvie> unity loads.. so i suppose i'll wait until ATI updates their stupid driveer
[00:46] <gordonjcp> jakubo: I should point out I've never actually used access, just turned its databases into something useful with mdbtools, a proper database, and a webby front end
[00:46] <graingert> heya
[00:46] <graingert> fusion-icon refuses to run - and I am not sure what to whitlist in com.canonical.unity ...
[00:46] <graingert> Traceback (most recent call last):
[00:46] <graingert>   File "/usr/bin/fusion-icon", line 57, in <module>
[00:46] <graingert>     from FusionIcon.interface import choose_interface
[00:46] <graingert>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/FusionIcon/interface.py", line 21, in <module>
[00:46] <graingert>     from util import env
[00:46] <graingert>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/FusionIcon/util.py", line 419, in <module>
[00:46] <graingert>     decorators = CompizDecorators(_installed)
[00:46] <graingert>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/FusionIcon/util.py", line 226, in __init__
[00:46] <graingert>     self.command = context.Plugins['decoration'].Display['command']
[00:46] <graingert> KeyError: 'decoration'
[00:46] <graingert> sorry about the medium to large paste
[00:47] <gordonjcp> graingert: use a pastebin!
[00:47] <graingert> I figured it was not too large
[00:47] <graingert> is gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['JavaEmbeddedFrame', 'Mumble', 'Wine', 'Skype', 'Dropbox', 'FusionIcon']"
[00:47] <graingert> or should it be gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['JavaEmbeddedFrame', 'Mumble', 'Wine', 'Skype', 'Dropbox', 'fusion-icon']"
[00:48] <graingert> either way python throws a KeyError
[00:49] <penguin42> irvie: What happened when you did compiz --replace &
[00:56] <jakubo> ive just seen the Ubuntu bug#1 andi think its mostly about office, that doesnt suit people or its some smaller tools that are not usable on linux, at least i can tell that from my surroundings
[00:57] <jakubo> and honestly, for professional use Open/Libre office sucks... and then theres the gamers corner...
[00:57] <jakubo> anyways, good night
[00:58] <irvie> penguin42, it failed to load
[00:58] <penguin42> irvie: Any errors?
[00:59] <irvie> penguin42, yeah but i don't even remember which haha.. would that be logged somewhere?
[00:59] <irvie> i already removed the driver
[00:59] <penguin42> irvie: Doubt it's logs - the errors might be really useful
[00:59] <penguin42> irvie: If it's having problems with compiz --replace that is quite unusual
[01:06] <irvie> penguin42, i'll try again in a few, just in the middle of something
[01:06] <penguin42> np, I'll probably disappear relatively shortly
[01:07] <irvie> thx for your help thusfar :]
[01:07] <penguin42> np
[01:11] <graingert> jakubo: google docs is fine
[01:13] <ddbt_nl> why isn't the complete version of vim included by default in ubuntu?
[01:14] <BUGabundo> ddbt_nl: almost no common user would ever use it
[01:14] <ddbt_nl> but why put it there anyway?
[01:14] <penguin42> ddbt_nl: I suspect size on the ISO
[01:15] <penguin42> ddbt_nl: And you can always just apt-get it
[01:15] <ddbt_nl> penguin42: i know, but i was just wondering..
[01:15] <ddbt_nl> penguin42: maybe i'm too much of a perfectionist
[01:15] <penguin42> ddbt_nl: Size is most likely, can't put everything on by default
[01:16] <penguin42> ddbt_nl: Anyway, what do you need beyond hjkl ?
[01:16] <ddbt_nl> penguin42: ok, but to me the default version sucks a bit
[01:17] <ddbt_nl> penguin42: i needed syntax highlighting.. thats why.. i got it up and running (via apt-get), but i just wondered why that was
[01:17] <penguin42> ddbt_nl: vi(m) is on by default at all for admins to fix systems etc and tweak configs, so advanced features aren't really necessary
[01:17] <kklimonda> ddbt_nl: vim-tiny takes 700kB of space, full vim over 20MB
[01:18] <penguin42> 20MB?!
[01:18] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: now i see why
[01:18] <kklimonda> it's not really a matter of being a perfectionist or not, there is no need for a full vim on the default installation, but some vi alternative is needed as it's pretty much what most of us know how to use
[01:18]  * penguin42 is used to old school vi anyway, I can cope with a vt100 and a 9k6 line
[01:19] <kklimonda> I'm lost when I have to use pico/nano
[01:19] <noob> hello guys !!! congrats  on Natty Beta1 release !!
[01:19] <BUGabundo> I like nano
[01:19] <kklimonda> I like emacs!
[01:20] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: what is the diff between nano and pico? (launches the same program in the terminal)
[01:20] <noob> I like nano !!! ;)
[01:20] <kklimonda> ddbt_nl: nano is a drop-in replacement for pico, which has a non-free license
[01:21] <ddbt_nl> (i like nano too.. but i'm trying to see the benefits of vi by learning it a bit)
[01:21] <penguin42> anyway, time for bed
[01:22] <noob> any way to install natty in btrfs /compresses lzo ??? will that option be available??????????
[01:22] <kklimonda> jeez, the fact that I remember pico and pine makes me feel old, and I'm not even 27..
[01:22] <ddbt_nl> got another question.. i know how to setup ruby using rvm and stuff.. that is not the problem.. but i'm just wondering why the ruby packege for apt-get doesn't get updated to ruby 1.9.2
[01:23] <ddbt_nl> (i don't know anything about such processes and stuff, so forgive me when it's a noob question)
[01:23] <kklimonda> ddbt_nl: by default ruby installs 1.8 version.
[01:23] <graingert> I like the test drive feature
[01:23] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: i know.. but why doesn't it get updated?
[01:24] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: 1.8 is kinda old
[01:24] <graingert> rather easy to load up a terminal and fork bomb it though
[01:24] <kklimonda> ddbt_nl: most likely not all ruby packages has yet been updated to work with 1.9
[01:24] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: what packages?
[01:25] <kklimonda> ddbt_nl: I don't know, you can ask the debian-ruby team which does most (if not all ruby packaging)
[01:25] <kklimonda> also, packaging ruby and its modules really sucks.
[01:26] <kklimonda> there is probably no other community that bad at maintaining good relationship with distributions, and maintaining sane API for modules.. debian-ruby team is pretty much understaffed because of that.
[01:26] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: well, i tested arch linux lately and i was just wondering why they could do it and ubuntu couldn't
[01:26] <kklimonda> ddbt_nl: arch is a much smaller distribution - it's easier for them to take risky decisions. Debian and Ubuntu has much more users to care about.
[01:27] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: but what is there to be afraid of?
[01:27] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: compatibility issues? or whatever?
[01:28] <kklimonda> ddbt_nl: pretty much yeah.
[01:28] <kklimonda> ddbt_nl: ruby community is known for not really caring about API stability in the long run.
[01:29] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: ok, thanks for answering
[01:29] <ddbt_nl> kklimonda: i got it working anyway.. just wondered why
[01:30] <kklimonda> stuff like rvm and [the app to install modules] doesn't really belong in distributions.
[01:30] <kklimonda> in my humble opinion
[01:30] <noob> will installing natty on btrfs /lzo compression be available on ubiquity installer ????
[01:30] <kklimonda> but I don't even like python's virtualevn much.
[01:30] <graingert> ddbt_nl, I believe they pico is aliased to nano
[01:30] <kklimonda> noob: if it's not available now, it won't
[01:30] <graingert> it's just legacy apps often use pico as an external editor
[01:31] <graingert> and it's a one line fix to push an alias to everyone on ubuntu rather than expect all apps to switch around
[01:31] <graingert> although with the direction canonical is going I wouild suggest they remove pico
[01:31] <irvie> replace with nano :D
[01:32] <kklimonda> graingert: and leave only vi? ;)
[01:33] <graingert> irvie, well pico is just an alias
[01:33] <graingert> kklimonda, no leave nano
[01:33] <irvie> oh :[
[01:33] <irvie> then why is it there? haha..
[01:33] <irvie> familiarity?
[01:33] <graingert> "<graingert> it's just legacy apps often use pico as an external editor"
[01:33] <irvie> ah
[01:33] <kklimonda> hmm.. interesting, there is still no vim outside of /usr
[01:33] <graingert> but the way ubuntu is going is that if developers don't want to keep with the times
[01:33] <graingert> then their program breaks
[01:34] <kklimonda> graingert: it doesn't cost us anything to keep pico around anyway (it's not a different package)
[01:34] <graingert> think global menu, and the lack of the systray
[01:34] <graingert> kklimonda, it doesn't cost anything to keep the systray
[01:34] <irvie> i feel ya. changes that break reverse compatibility?
[01:34] <kklimonda> graingert: well, it does actually
[01:34] <graingert> kklimonda, yes well they have a whitelist
[01:34] <kklimonda> graingert: pico is just a symlink to nano, systray is a broken design
[01:34] <graingert> maybe have a whitelist of apps that can access any legacy functionality
[01:35] <graingert> ie pico or systray etc
[01:35] <graingert> aw :( th1 wtf
[01:36] <graingert> I think reverse compatability should go through the cycle of silent deprication, warning deprication and then finally broken functionality
[01:37] <graingert> ie pico should be aliased to "echo "pico has been deprecated please use nano, executing nano this time" && nano"
[01:37] <kklimonda> graingert: well, it was deprecated a year ago or so
[01:37] <kklimonda> (systray)
[01:37] <graingert> what I am asking is why isn't this policy consistent for all legacy functionality
[01:39] <kklimonda> because there are two worlds - terminal one, and another being the shiny gui
[01:39] <kklimonda> all apps that are still requiring pico, and not nano are not going to get fixed
[01:39] <Daekdroom> kklimonda, systray isn't technically deprecated
[01:39] <kklimonda> (it's probably only pine at this point) and it doesn't cost us anything - we sync it from debian anyway.
[01:39] <kklimonda> Daekdroom: it is in Ubuntu
[01:40] <Daekdroom> Yeah, but it's not deprecated anywhere else, which means it's still being used.
[01:41] <kklimonda> Daekdroom: really, after new systray specification fiasco I find it hard to care about anywhere else
[01:41] <kklimonda> (anywhere else being GNOME, and some small projects)
[01:41] <Daekdroom> new systray specification? Never heard of it :P
[01:42] <kklimonda> Daekdroom: sure, KDE has proposed the specification for what now is used in KDE, and Ubuntu some time ago.
[01:42] <kklimonda> to fd.o, it has never been picked up by gnome afair
[01:42] <kklimonda> then they just decided to side step the issue completely.
[01:42] <kklimonda> and now we are in the mess..
[01:42] <BUGabundo> wow I missed this http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/01/i-am-jef-spaleta/
[01:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: heh, pretty funny.. not
[01:43] <BUGabundo> it IS funny
[01:43] <graingert> kklimonda, well the systray seemed to just be put in to be the same as windows.?
[01:43] <kklimonda> graingert: hmm?
[01:43] <graingert> kklimonda, also it would be better if indicator applets had to be categorised
[01:43] <graingert> ie download, file sync, chat and audio
[01:43] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I find the entire discussion from last month or so disgusting.. we've all lost
[01:43] <graingert> so transmission etc goes under network
[01:44] <kklimonda> graingert: transmission doesn't reallt need an indicator
[01:44] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: have you read the post?
[01:44] <graingert> ubuntu one sparkleshare and dropbox under another
[01:44] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I did
[01:44] <BUGabundo> kk
[01:44] <graingert> case in point: sound menu and the messaging menu
[01:44] <graingert> these are brill - otherwise it turns into a fuster cluck of apps
[01:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: Bacon does have a point about Spaleta being on some kind of anti-Canonical crusade though.
[01:46] <BUGabundo> who isn't ?
[01:46] <graingert> Spaleta?
[01:46] <BUGabundo> want a list of many former promoters now against canonical?
[01:47] <graingert> what's Spaleta?
[01:47] <BUGabundo> "who's"
[01:47] <graingert> ^^
[01:47] <Daekdroom> What's?
[01:47] <graingert> s/what\'s/who\'s/
[01:48] <Daekdroom> Whom's Spaleta? :P
[01:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, for example Jeff Waugh makes some good points in his criticism. Spaleta is just.. being mean. I can't really find a better word for that, and not break CoC ;)
[01:48] <kklimonda> Daekdroom: Fedora developer
[01:48] <graingert> s/what\'s/who\'s/Whom\'s/
[01:48] <graingert> ah well
[01:49] <graingert> if he has a problem with ubuntu then he should go and make his own distribution
[01:49] <graingert> oh wait...
[01:49] <Daekdroom> Haha.
[01:49] <graingert> link me to this critisicm?
[01:49] <kklimonda> graingert: you can start with http://twitter.com/jspaleta
[01:50] <graingert> oh god is that going to open in firefox...
[01:50] <kklimonda> his two last tweets were actually kinda sad
[01:50] <graingert> oh no chromium was just being dogslow
[01:51] <pheuter> just installed 11.04 beta on vmware, toolbar is not visible, where did it go? and why isn't it unity? is it not compatible with vmware?
[01:51] <graingert> "Give it a year to grow and Amazon Cloud Drive is probably going to kill the UbuntuOne service." Sorry Dropbox will not die
[01:51] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: the list wouldn't be *that* long actually.
[01:51] <graingert> I am not sure what will "win" out of Dropbox SparkelShare UbuntuOne and Amazon cloud drive
[01:51] <BUGabundo> pheuter: /topic
[01:51] <BUGabundo> its broken
[01:52] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: sure, the last year or so quite a lot of people has realized that Ubuntu and Canonical are not exatly examples of the pure-foss communities, but then I can't understand why would they think differently.
[01:52] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: not it isn't... but it will grow
[01:52] <pheuter> wait, whats broken? wubi? im not using wubi
[01:52] <graingert> kklimonda, if you don't like it then you can fork off
[01:53] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, yeah - it can become a problem and it is something Canonical, and the rest of us has to discuss..
[01:53] <graingert> re: ubuntu being not fossy :p
[01:53] <graingert> think of all the distros we would not have had without it: mint etc
[01:53] <kklimonda> graingert: it makes no sense to further divide linux landscape
[01:54] <graingert> kklimonda, why?
[01:54] <kklimonda> graingert: because it's not what Linux needs. We have enough distributions. Everyone will find something for themselves.
[01:54] <graingert> kklimonda, even the source management that linux kernal uses is based off of forking
[01:54] <kklimonda> no!
[01:54] <kklimonda> it's based on branching
[01:54] <kklimonda> it's not a fork
[01:54] <graingert> oops
[01:55] <graingert> what is the difference?
[01:55] <kklimonda> fork is something much heavier than branching.
[01:55] <kklimonda> fork means that the projects developers have failed to find a solution to their problems
[01:56] <graingert> "A kind of internal fork that is standard practice for the development of many software projects is a stable or release branch, modified only for bug fixes, while a development branch develops new features. Such internal forks are usually referred to as "branches"."
[01:56] <graingert> so a branch extends fork
[01:57] <graingert> (branch instanceof fork) evaluates to true
[01:57] <|Seth|> hey y'all, is the beta out yet? I hoid tha beta was out today
[01:58] <kklimonda> graingert: not really - Fork has always meant that some developers copy code from the project and start independent development.
[01:58] <kklimonda> graingert: then came github and started misusing Fork
[01:58] <graingert> |Seth|, yes
[01:58] <rww> |Seth|: yes, see the /topic
[01:58] <kklimonda> and now people can't see the difference between branch and fork
[01:58] <|Seth|> rww, I am dumb
[01:58] <graingert> |Seth|, woo time to use it on production machines...
[01:59] <rww> not being able to speak doesn't stop you from reading topics :3
[01:59] <graingert> rww, I saw what you did thar
[02:18] <Deithrian> Just want to congratulate you for this Epic beta 1 release :)
[02:18] <Deithrian> Everything works, satellite tv, surround sound, HD video
[02:19] <Deithrian> simply amazing :)
[02:19] <thiebaude> my only problem here its using alot of ram
[02:22] <Deithrian> It's using 1Gb on my 64 bit install and compiz crashes almost every time i use alt+tab but i hope they will fix this
[02:22] <thiebaude> i sure hope so too
[02:22] <kklimonda|erc> bah, emacs is scary indeed..
[02:22] <kklimonda|erc> can someone ping me?
[02:23] <rww> kklimonda|erc: no
[02:23] <kklimonda|erc> thanks
[02:23] <thiebaude> but i'm going to stick with 11.04 and giv eit a chance :)
[02:23] <thiebaude> give it
[02:24] <Deithrian> The magical thing is that one of the jacks i have at the back of the case for surround sound is not working
[02:25] <Deithrian> and when i setup the sound, i plugged the not working jack for the front speakers in the front panel and it worked correctly with sound test lol...
[02:26] <Deithrian> but really why 1gb mem usage?
[02:26] <mdshann> I have a laptop with nvidia mcp79 audio and the speakers do not work. Headphone jack works though. Any ideas?
[02:26] <Deithrian> are we becoming Vista with Unity? :)
[02:26] <thiebaude> i hope not
[02:26] <rww> !memory
[02:27] <thiebaude> with xchat and nothing else running 627mb out of 2 gb
[02:27] <Deithrian> mdshann is that ALC888 onboard sound? Intel hda?
[02:27] <rww> Good. Better than it sitting there doing nothing.
[02:27] <thiebaude> and i've using ubuntu since 6.06
[02:28] <Deithrian> the logic of killing the HDD with work loading everything in RAM escapes me badly o-o
[02:28] <Daekdroom> thiebaude, x64?
[02:28] <thiebaude> processes
[02:28] <mdshann> yes
[02:28] <thiebaude> to mnay of them
[02:28] <thiebaude> many
[02:28] <Deithrian> mdshann one sec
[02:28] <Daekdroom> I'm running x86 and currently 1.1GB out of 4.
[02:29] <Daekdroom> but then I'm running firefox, pidgin, xchat, transmission, gwibber, clementine.
[02:29] <thiebaude> that seems normal, i heard 64bit uses more memory that 32bit
[02:29] <Daekdroom> Yeah, it does.
[02:29] <mdshann> Having stuff in RAM is good. It's faster. The problem comes when you swap out to the hard drive
[02:29] <rww> This ^
[02:30] <Daekdroom> The problem of having too much stuff in RAM is that it'll eventually have to swap out to the hard drive.
[02:30] <rww> Not if the stuff in RAM is freed up when the RAM is needed.
[02:31] <thiebaude> this release is very stable for me :)
[02:31] <mdshann> Right but modern computer have anywhere from 2 to 24 GBs available RAM. Most new computers are coming with 4GB of RAM
[02:31] <Deithrian> mdshann, if you have ALC888 i use a trick to tell ALSA the correct driver for the card, I'm not sure how this will work on a laptop ok? But on desktop it loads the correct driver for ALC888 and with "alsamixer" you can enable all 6 channels.
[02:32] <Deithrian> mdshann, if it doesn't work i guess ytou can simply remove the one line hack and it will be back to normal i guess o-o
[02:32] <mdshann> ok lets try it
[02:32] <graingert> any unused RAM is used as disk cache I believe
[02:33] <mdshann> How are you making your replies come up a different color on my screen? I don't use IRC often
[02:33] <rww> mdshann: by putting your nick at the beginning of the message, like this.
[02:33] <rww> probably with the help of the tab key.
[02:33] <Deithrian> mdshann, all you need to add is this line "options snd_hda_intel model=3stack-6ch-dig" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf  in alsa.conf you need to find the line "# Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0" press enter and insert the other line
[02:34] <mdshann> Deithrian: So I use the colon after the nick
[02:34] <Deithrian> mdshann, then you need to reboot, then in terminal type alsamixer and check the settings.If the letters "M" under the channels are not green it means they are muted and you need to select them and press M on keyboard to unmute them
[02:35] <Deithrian> mdshann, use "gksu gedit" find /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf
[02:35] <Deithrian> mdshann, find the line # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
[02:35] <mdshann> Deithrian: I have no alsa.conf I have a alsa-base.conf though
[02:36] <Deithrian> yeah it's the same thing :)
[02:36] <mdshann> ah ok
[02:36] <Deithrian> this woprked back when it was alsa.conf it works the same now lol
[02:36] <Deithrian> with alsamixer you can change the number of channels from 2 to 6 if you have indeed ALC888 o-o
[02:37] <Deithrian> and then unmute the channels and raise them if they are muted and restart again
[02:37] <slyrus> how do I go about finding out who the package/project manager for a given package is?
[02:37] <Deithrian> after that you need to use the Pulse audio mixer thing in systry and select the 5.1 output if you want 5.1 ofc o-o
[02:37] <slyrus> e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/sbcl
[02:37] <mdshann> so i just add it after all the other lines under the # Prevent comment? but before the next section
[02:38] <Deithrian> mdshann i add it directly under the #prevent line
[02:38] <Deithrian> just insert new line under it with enter and paste it :)
[02:38] <mdshann> ok got it
[02:39] <Deithrian> mdshann, if it doesn't work just remove it from there o-o
[02:39] <mdshann> ok
[02:40] <mdshann> I will reboot and report results thanks
[02:41] <Deithrian> kk
[02:41] <Sonja> is natty safe to try for most users now?
[02:41] <Sonja> or still wait until official release?
[02:43] <Deithrian> Sonja it still has some small crashes here and there but overall it works great for me o-o hope i don't mislead you with my comment, no idea what kind of a user you are
[02:44] <Deithrian> on my part Dual monitors work with Unity, Nvidia drivers work with Unity, sound works, satellite Tv works, HD video works, DSL connection works
[02:44] <Deithrian> Compiz crashes from time to time but it's not fatal and recovers without closing any programs
[02:46] <Deithrian> i guess if you want 100% bug free ubuntu you should wait :)
[02:46] <Deithrian> mdshann now use alsamixer in terminal to configure the channels and so on o-o
[02:47] <Deithrian> mdshann, you can also try running "speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -t wav -f40" in terminal to see if you have sound on any channel at all
[02:50] <mdshann> nothing
[02:51] <mdshann> so I need to figure out what line to add to that file to define the channels on my card right?
[02:51] <Deithrian> mdshann nothing with the speaker test too?
[02:51] <mdshann> correct
[02:52] <Deithrian> oh o-o and the channels in alsamixer are green where the M is?
[02:52] <Deithrian> do you get to chose how many channels in alsamixer?
[02:53] <mdshann> yeah they are green there is no M just 00
[02:53] <Deithrian> right o-o
[02:53] <Deithrian> hm
[02:54] <Deithrian> well if you can find the correct option there it may work for you but i'm no expert
[02:55] <Deithrian> i can't even remember where i found this line, i remember that it took me a week trying different lines until that one work
[02:55] <Deithrian> i think there is a list for ALSA Realtek or Intel hda devices and the lines for them
[02:56] <Deithrian> but have forgotten where that is o-o
[02:57] <mdshann> that's cool
[02:58] <mdshann> thanks for your help
[02:58] <Deithrian> npz sorry it didn't work o-o
[02:58] <mdshann> it points me in the right direction at least
[02:59] <alex_mayorga> anyone using Google's 2-way authentication and Empathy?
[03:02] <Deithrian> mdshann, how many outputs do you have for sound on your laptop?
[03:03] <Deithrian> shoot i need to go O_O
[03:03] <Deithrian> mdshann, please remember to remove the line from asla conf
[03:03] <Deithrian> take care
[03:23] <needhelp1> are packages frozen for 11.04, it was my understanding that banshee 2.0 would be in natty, but curently in beta one its using 1.9.5
[03:24] <needhelp1> i know 2.0 isnt out yet, i am just wondering
[03:25] <Daekdroom> 1.9.x is the development branch. I don't see what's wrong.
[03:25] <Daekdroom> 2.0 is due April 6.
[03:26] <Daekdroom> But yeah, we are in FeatureFreeze.
[03:31] <needhelp1> Daekdroom, so does that mean 2.0 wont make it into 11.04? i thought that banshee was specifically updating and working towards 2.0 for the official 11.04 release
[03:32] <Daekdroom> I'm not quite sure about what FeatureFreeze means for banshee.
[03:45] <Blue1> !md5sum
[03:46] <Blue1> no I know HOW to md5sum, I need the md5sum for the beta
[03:48] <arand> Blue1: It's available from the releases.ubuntu.com page
[03:48] <Blue1> here it is:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/MD5SUMS
[03:49] <Blue1> i will check the release page
[03:50] <Blue1> yup that's what I needed - thanks - you gave the right link
[04:01] <sacha> hey is there a known issue with ati cards in beta 1?
[04:02] <sacha> i can boot the beta 1 dvd fine and test it out and install. when i reboot, i get a stack trace showing all these references to my video card. 'evergreen' 'radeon' '...'
[04:03] <Blue1> i am burning the cd image atm.
[04:03] <sacha> and xorg.conf doesn't seem to affect it. even if i use 'vesa' driver it has all those evergreen/radeon calls in stack trace
[04:04] <Blue1> sacha: did you do a new install or an upgrade?
[04:04] <sacha> brand new install
[04:04] <Blue1> yeah that's always the best way.
[04:05] <ceed^> Something smells like beta around here... :)
[04:05] <Blue1> upgrades (for me) have been problematic
[04:06] <sacha> im just wondering how i get around this issue because it seems to ignore xorg.conf
[04:06] <foxbuntu> sacha, are you using the restricted driver or the foss driver?
[04:06] <sacha> foss driver.. i havent even booted into my fresh ubuntu yet
[04:06] <sacha> only used the livedvd before i installed
[04:07] <foxbuntu> thought you said it installed fine but died after you rebooted to the installed system
[04:07] <sacha> yeah it installed fine when i was running livedvd.. havent rebooted in to it yet
[04:07] <sacha> because it doesnt get in to X
[04:08] <foxbuntu> well you are still booted to it without X
[04:08] <sacha> well yeah. im at terminal. any ideas?
[04:08] <foxbuntu> install the restricted driver package
[04:08] <sacha> aticonfig --initial and it should work?
[04:08] <foxbuntu> no...
[04:09] <sacha> this isnt needed anymore?
[04:09] <Blue1> okay gonna try this out....bbl
[04:09] <sacha> well ill install fglrx but not sure if there's anything involved in switching to fglrx or if ubuntu will handle that auto now
[04:09] <foxbuntu> sudo apt-get install fglrx
[04:10] <foxbuntu> it will config it when you install the package
[04:10] <sacha> ok i'll have a go, brb
[04:22] <sacha> well that worked :)
[04:23] <sacha> the boot time is lightning fast! i didnt time it, but felt like 5 seconds or less from grub
[04:24] <foxbuntu> sacha, glad to hear it
[04:24] <sacha> but how come fglrx doesn't boot in to unity?
[04:25] <sacha> what's the check that's failing and reverting to normal gnome?
[04:26] <foxbuntu> sacha, depends on the capabilities of your hardware
[04:30] <sacha> hmm the video driver isn't working for sure. amdcccle says no ati driver is installed and glxinfo is giving me a segfault
[04:45] <gunndawg> Where can I download an image of 11.04? I think I am  ready to give it a go
[04:46] <SwedeMike> gunndawg: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/beta-1/ , first hit on google for <natty beta 1 download> for me
[04:46] <gunndawg> cool
[04:46] <gunndawg> thx
[04:47] <gunndawg> Would you advice sticking with 32bit ?
[04:47] <gunndawg> or is 64bit on par with the 32bit build so far ?
[04:48] <SwedeMike> it depends. that's a discussion for about a page or two of different reasons to go different paths.
[04:49] <gunndawg> hmmm ok
[04:49] <gunndawg> flip a coin then I guess
[04:51] <sillav> gunndawg: go 64
[04:51] <ceed^> I went 64 a couple of years ago and haven't had one problem....well, one had problems installing Lightscribe for my laptop, but fixed that also
[04:51] <gunndawg> alright
[04:51] <sillav> about the only reason not to, is if you need a 32 bit only app... like citrix linux client to login to work webmail
[04:52] <sillav> even then, go 64 and use a chrooted 32 bit environment or vm IMHO
[04:52]  * ceed^ agrees with sillav
[04:54] <gunndawg> alright cool, thx
[04:57] <sillav> I've never seen such a beautiful xfce setup as natty's.
[04:57]  * sillav slow caps in a not sarcastic manner
[04:57] <sillav> *claps
[04:58] <sillav> But the indicator applet is new to me... what's up with the mail icon? Does it tell me when there is new mail? I used it to login to pidgin, and join here to ask.
[05:01] <sillav> I've seen how to get rid of the envelope icon... remove the indicator-messages plugin, but since I new to the buntu I don't want to go breaking things just because they are unfamiliar to me
[05:06] <MTughan> I'm trying to install Natty beta 1 in a VirtualBox VM, but the installer's crashed. It's telling me to file a bug and attach two files, but I'm wondering if the OS is complete enough at this point to reboot and get the files, or if I have to boot into the LiveCD again to fetch the files. Any input?
[05:06] <MTughan> Ironically enough, alpha 3's still going along strong in a second VM.
[05:11] <sillav> ok.. read about what it does and got rid of it.
[05:20] <jon__> i installed natty and i have no panel or anything
[05:25] <rcmaehl> :O
[05:26] <rcmaehl> Narwhals, narwhals swimming in the ocean, causing a commotion cause they are awesome. Natty Narwhal!
[05:31] <MTughan> I'm off to bed. Feel free to PM me, leave me a message with MemoServ, or just highlight me here if you have an answer to my question.
[05:31] <MTughan> Oh, and alpha 3 has errored out as well now... Problem for another day.
[05:59] <Moc> so the beta install doesn't wipe your whole hd when you tell it not to ?
[06:08] <sillav> thank jeebus no, leastaways, not for me.
[06:09]  * sillav probably should've back up home before installing beta
[06:15] <inthepit> hello all
[06:16] <inthepit> is there a currently a workaround for the empathy contact list in unity?
[06:18] <inthepit> guess not then...
[06:28] <HomerPDX75> Hey anyone have Ubuntu 11.04 with Unity, working with Virtualbox?
[06:29] <HomerPDX75> I have it installed but unity is not happening
[06:29] <rww> I don't think they're compatible.
[06:29] <rww> VirtualBox doesn't support the graphics stuff that Unity needs, or something.
[06:29] <HomerPDX75> huh
[06:29] <alex_mayorga> HomerPDX75: I don't think virtualbox does the 3D accel
[06:31] <digdug> just installed beta 1 tonight, and it doesn't appear to be using the unity interface
[06:32] <digdug> tried switching between "ubuntu classic" and "ubuntu" at the login screen
[06:40] <HomerPDX75> just messing with the new Ubuntu, Banshee looks nice. Rhythmbox, is my current default ( out of lazyness ) but it's development has been the slowest.
[06:40] <HomerPDX75> I really like that they are changing things up.
[06:45] <digdug> oh, is banshee the new default now?
[06:47] <digdug> I wouldn't know, since I've been using banshee as my default player since around 9.04, or maybe even earlier
[07:03] <digdug> oh hey, I should have read the known issues... "Please not that after the upgrade, Unity and Compiz won't still work with the ATI proprietary driver (685682). A fix will be available by next week."
[07:30] <cdbs> Hi, I have an intel 3945 Wifi card and its not working after post-beta upgrades
[07:30] <cdbs> I am sure its a regression
[07:30] <cdbs> bug # ?
[07:35] <cdbs> Dmesg output: [ 1019.654480] iwl3945: Unknown parameter `11n_disable'
[07:38] <cdbs> I have traced, its a regression in the latest update to module-init-tools
[07:39] <micahg> cdbs: there was a conffile removed IIRC
[07:40] <ohsix> yea
[07:40] <ohsix> cdbs: look at the changelog for module-init-tools
[07:40] <ohsix> press C in aptitude, it mentions it
[07:41] <micahg> +options iwl3945 11n_disable=1
[07:41] <ohsix> yup
[07:41] <ohsix> changelog elaborates
[07:41] <micahg> etckeeper, ftw!
[07:49] <ohsix> DreadKnight: sudo dhclient
[07:50] <DreadKnight> ok
[07:52] <DreadKnight> ohsix: that did the job ^^ ty
[07:53] <syedomar> ermm hi
[07:53] <syedomar> how to enable compiz?
[07:53] <ohsix> DreadKnight: is your wifi a iwl3945?
[07:54] <syedomar> im using rt73(wireless)... working great
[07:54] <DreadKnight> ohsix: ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 8257 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[07:55] <syedomar> rt3070 didnt work though
[08:03] <cdbs> ohsix: Is there some known problem with iwl3945?
[08:04] <cdbs> ohsix: or is yours also 3945?
[08:04] <cdbs> ohsix: I found the fix to the 3945 mess
[08:04] <ohsix> cdbs: i've seen a few people mention tha tit stopped working at all after the module-init-tools update, not just having n disabled
[08:05] <cdbs> ohsix: yes, I am filing a bug about it right now. I fixed it by simply removing a file from /etc/modprobe.d/
[08:05] <ohsix> right, that'd remove the 11n_disable part
[08:05] <DreadKnight> cdbs: which file? :D
[08:05] <cdbs> DreadKnight: just a sec, I 'll tell
[08:06] <DreadKnight> cdbs: and please link to the bug report when you're done
[08:06] <cdbs> DreadKnight: /etc/modprobe.d/intel-3945-iwlagn-disable11n.conf
[08:06] <cdbs> DreadKnight: Remove it and run sudo modprobe iwl3945
[08:06] <cdbs> that'd fix your WiFi
[08:06] <DreadKnight> cdbs: will look into it right away
[08:07] <DreadKnight> cdbs: I don't have that version, so I might have to adapt for mine
[08:07] <ohsix> read the changelog.
[08:08] <micahg> you could actually just comment out the line in the conf file, probably better than removing
[08:08] <DreadKnight> indeed
[08:08] <cdbs> DreadKnight: bug #747025
[08:09]  * cdbs is fixing it, so its in-progress
[08:09] <DreadKnight> woot
[08:10] <ohsix> tim gardner is the gu to poke
[08:11] <cdbs> ohsix: he's sleeping I guess
[08:12] <ohsix> looks like he just did the 11n_disable thing when he removed another conf that used to do it for another device without checking and seeing that it isn't available for the other
[08:13] <DreadKnight> cdbs: fixed the issue for me as well :3
[08:13] <DreadKnight> thanks for the help
[08:14] <ohsix> DreadKnight: fwiw, that means it wasn't network-manager
[08:24] <DreadKnight> ohsix: figured, lol
[08:39] <Blue1> !unity
[08:42] <Blue1> none of the docs say how to enable/disable unity
[08:42] <Blue1> the beta cd just boots gnome
[08:46] <ohsix> Blue1: pick it on the login screen, it hsould be the default session
[09:08] <zniavre> 'free the fish' does not work on unity without gnome-panel    :o(
[09:47] <tim> hi, i updated to natty, but there seems to be a linker issue: when trying to compile some of my source codes, the cmake build system breaks, because it cannot initialize the compiler correctly: it simply gives "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s"
[10:19] <coz_>   good day all
[10:46] <vish> zniavre: Bug #747014  ?
[10:52] <qwebirc44173> natty all
[11:00] <Ejdesgaard> Hi, I'm running 11.04 x86_64 and 5 min. ago i updated to the latest packages... and i'm pretty sure that i found a bug...
[11:00] <Ejdesgaard> whenever i try to move the mouse, X restarts
[11:01] <Ejdesgaard> if I use the trackpad
[11:20] <mateobur> the servers for 11.04 beta are downloading really really slow
[11:29] <arand> mateobur: I guess it's popular..
[11:29] <u-foka> Hy! After installing today's updates for natty, my X crashes every time I touch my synaptics touchpad :( Anyone else has the same issue?
[11:31] <yofel_> tim: I had the same issue once, but that was because I manually symlinked gcc to gcc-4.3
[11:31] <yofel> works fine with 4.5 now
[11:32] <tim> yofel: i haven't done any manual symlinks, but i was using 4.5 before. also i have installed the multilib version of gcc
[11:32] <tim> anyway, i have submitted a bug report
[11:32] <yofel> hm, odd
[11:35] <Ejdesgaard> u-foka, it's the same here
[11:37] <u-foka> Ejdesgaard, great :S have you found any solutions yet?
[11:37] <u-foka> I've reported it as bug #747126
[11:41] <Ejdesgaard> u-foka, not realy... I can use the nob-mouse-thing without X crashing
[12:05] <tim> ok next issue: it seems that cmake isn't able to locate qt4. there is already a bug report (#744878). any possible news on this?
[12:24] <MTughan> HomerPDX75: At least you got it installed in VirtualBox. Mine crashed on installation.
[12:32] <alexanbj> so
[12:32] <alexanbj> updated an hour ago
[12:32] <alexanbj> now everytime i move my mouse i am instantly returned to the login screen
[12:33] <alexanbj> this even happens gdm already is displayed
[12:33] <alexanbj> is anyone else experiencing the same?
[12:34] <alexanbj> aha, backlog -.-
[12:37] <zniavre> vish,  :o)   yeah that bug  (too funny)
[12:40] <MTughan> Hah, nice... Perl segfaulted on my install.
[12:52] <divadgnol67> I am attempting to download the beta1 realease but have noticed it is 732 megs vs 699 megs as listed. does this mean i need to burn it to a dvd instead of a cdrom?
[12:57] <divadgnol67> wake up everyone.
[12:57] <ikonia> should fit on a cd
[12:58] <divadgnol67> It should but will it? A cdrom only holds 700megs and the download is 732megs. I guess I could just use unetbootin and boot from my flashdrive.
[13:00] <ikonia> divadgnol67: where are you getting it from ?
[13:01] <Trewas> divadgnol67: maybe you are mixing binary and SI prefixes, a CD holds 700MiB which is approximately 733MB
[13:02] <divadgnol67> Thank you for the clarification and I am downloading it from distrowatch.com
[13:04] <divadgnol67> Before I download, have most of the bugs been worked out in the new unity interface?
[13:06] <divadgnol67> Vague question I know.  But I have exerienced several crashes in the alpha software when swithcing from a terminal back to the desktop.
[13:08] <Trewas> divadgnol67: I upgraded today, so maybe I am already past beta, but at least the launcher was completely broken (or whatever it is called, the full-screen thing which opens from the top-left corner)
[13:08] <alexanbj> Trewas: it's called the dash
[13:09] <divadgnol67> Trewas: I had the same problem with the alpha release as well. I have not checked to see if there is a bug report have you?
[13:11] <Trewas> divadgnol67: no, unity seems sufficiently unfinished that I will not be using it in 11.04 anyway
[13:17] <sacha> unity seemed fine to me on mar 31
[13:18] <sacha> which sectioned are still being worked on?
[13:18] <divadgnol67> Trevas: That's a shame, but I'm sure the kinks will be worked out over time.
[13:22] <odinsbane> Is there a way to tryout the wayland graphics system with natty?
[13:50] <irv> any idea why my ipod (4th gen 30gb) doesn't show up in Banshee? It correctly displays and plays in rhythmbox and i can see it in nautilus..
[13:52] <penguin42> irv: Sounds maybe you are seeing bug 736631 ?
[13:54] <quiel> hello, where should I report natty bugs? on launchpad?
[13:54] <arand> quiel: Yes
[13:54] <arand> Preferably using the ubuntu-bug packagename helper application
[13:55] <quiel> arand, so I need to check with launchpad first to make sure there is no duplicate bug? or does the ubuntu-bug thing offer such functionality?
[13:56] <arand> quiel: When you put in the title it will run a check.
[13:56] <quiel> cool, thanks for the info!
[14:10] <scarleo> Hi, updated today an now gdm crashes as soon as I touch my touchpad (synaptics). Is this a known problem?
[14:11] <zniavre> i think yes it's known i just saw a new package is comming for synaptics
[14:12] <zniavre> #747126
[14:15] <irv> penguin42, thx :)
[14:15] <irv> although, i don't receive any errors on start
[14:16] <scarleo> sorry, I crashed again, if someone answered me can you please repeat
[14:17] <irv> [09:11:20] <zniavre> i think yes it's known i just saw a new package is comming for synaptics
[14:17] <irv> [09:12:00] <zniavre> #747126
[14:17] <irv> penguin42, I will try the 1.9.6
[14:18] <scarleo> irv, thanks
[14:31] <zniavre> 688555
[14:33] <zniavre> how can we call a bug please?
[14:33] <arand> bug #688555
[14:34] <arand> zniavre: ^
[14:34] <zniavre> pffff ok thank you   :o)
[14:37] <litropy> Hi, peeps - huludesktop can't find libflashplayer.so; neither can $locate; neither can $ sudo find / -name libflashplayer.so. Yet flash is installed -- can play flash vids in both chrome and firefox. Please help me find flash.
[14:39] <arand> litropy: it's normally in either /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ or in ~/.mozilla/plugins if you installed it manually...
[14:48] <litropy> arand, no libflashplayer in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins; no /plugins in .mozilla
[14:51] <penguin42> litropy: Try installing the flashplugin-installer package
[14:52] <litropy> penguin42, aptitude says it's already installed
[14:53] <penguin42> litropy: Was it installed prior to the upgrade? If so try uninstalling it and then reinstalling it
[14:54] <litropy> penguin42, will do
[14:57] <SupeR_NovA> How can I install nvida a live cd 11.04 beta as a test
[14:57] <SupeR_NovA> help !
[14:57] <ikonia> SupeR_NovA: as I told you in #ubuntu
[14:59] <ceeded> Hi, after the last updates X crashes if I use the mouse! I can not use the mouse at all. Anyone else see this?
[14:59] <litropy> penguin42, arand, that worked! thanks guys
[14:59] <penguin42> litropy: No problem
[15:11] <renat> hi guys, i need help. My wifi adapter has become disabled (system does not see it) after the recent packages upgrade.
[15:12] <ddbt_nl> anyone tried elementary os?
[15:12] <ddbt_nl> why is it that elementary os looks so "sharp" compared to ubuntu natty?
[15:13] <bazhang> ddbt_nl, that sounds like an unsupported derivative
[15:13] <iceroot> ddbt_nl: maybe ask there channel
[15:13] <ddbt_nl> which looks rather "soft to me"
[15:13] <quiel> ddbt_nl, they got a nice theme, you can change the theme in ubuntu as well
[15:13] <ddbt_nl> ok, i will, maybe one of you guys knew the answer
[15:13] <mpt> Hello, has anyone encountered a bug where they upgrade to Natty and their user account mysteriously starts logging in automatically when it shouldn't?
[15:13] <quiel> ddbt_nl, maybe we do, but here is not the place
[15:13] <ddbt_nl> yeah, but its not the theme.. its the overall look.. like the typo etc.
[15:14] <renat> has anyone the same problems with wifi? my adapter does not work
[15:14] <quiel> mpt, check the bug tracker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs
[15:14] <ddbt_nl> well, i thought it might be relevant to take a look, it looks beautifully sharp, without comparing the themes.. cause i also like the natty themes
[15:14] <nemo> Anyone here using whatever version of fglrx is packaged for natty?
[15:15] <mpt> quiel, I have. There were 449 bug reports matching the words "login" and "password". (There are now 448, because I marked a duplicate.) None of them look relevant, though.
[15:17] <renat> can anyone help me? how to enable a wifi interface?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:23] <mpt> (For anyone wondering, bug 706587 was part of the problem)
[15:24] <genii-around> renat: I'm pretty sure your problem is the changes made in the last update to module-init-tools as described here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/588265/
[15:25] <renat> hm... so? :) this drive is not supported from now on?
[15:26] <renat> driver*
[15:27] <genii-around> renat: It's probably still on your system, just not being used because of the blacklist entry. you could try removing that.
[15:28] <renat> ok, how can i remove it from blacklist?
[15:30] <genii-around> renat: Put a # as the first thing in the line of the file /etc/modprobe.d/intel-3945-iwlagn-disable11n.conf
[15:31] <renat> done, do i need a reboot?
[15:37] <genii-around> renat: You might be able to just load the driver afterwards with sudo modprobe iwl3945
[15:37] <nemo> Anyone here on ATI + fglrx?
[15:38] <renat> genii-around: it helped not much... but now i see wlan0 in ifconfig -a
[15:42] <renat> genii-around: though i still cant use wifi adapter
[15:44] <genii-around> Bleh. Everytime I get back to my computer to type a reply it's been too long.
[15:50] <khindenburg> Anyone know why my time is always off when I wake up my laptop?
[15:50] <Vardan> hi people
[15:51] <Vardan> what change will be in the new 11.04 version of kubuntu?
[15:51] <kujules> after upgrade on 11.04, i often got kiced by the system to log-in screen or tty-screen, is the problem known and resolved?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> kujules, there seems to be a few probs , try the recovery kernel in grub and then "repair broken packages" in the dialog that appears
[15:54] <kujules> there is no dialog, before i can find the "kernel" bla bla, i will wait for the final release :D its complicated to normal user
[15:55] <BluesKaj> kujules, in the grub menu choose recovery , right below the generic
[16:02] <kujules> thank you
[16:04] <c2tarun> can anyone please help me with this error http://paste.kde.org/8692/ I got this error while running upgrade on chroot
[16:05] <penguin42> c2tarun: Have you a /proc mounted in your chroot ?
[16:05] <c2tarun> penguin42: nope
[16:06] <c2tarun> penguin42: do I have to mount it?
[16:06] <penguin42> c2tarun: That's the problem
[16:06] <penguin42> Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent postfix                                                                  start-stop-daemon: nothing in /proc - not mounted?
[16:06] <c2tarun> penguin42: last time I mounted my home folder and while fiddeling with chroot I lost all my data of home folder :(
[16:07] <penguin42> c2tarun: ah well be careful!
[16:07] <c2tarun> penguin42: is there any other way like copying files from /proc
[16:07] <penguin42> mount /proc
[16:08] <c2tarun> penguin42: what if I copy whole proc folder inside chroot?
[16:08] <penguin42> c2tarun: You could hack the postfix scripts to let it continue; but I wouldn't - I'd mount /proc
[16:09] <c2tarun> ok
[16:16] <Mkaysi> Is there torrent of Natty beta? That image takes too long to download
[16:17] <vish> Mkaysi: check topic for links
[16:17] <Mkaysi> Thanks
[16:17]  * Mkaysi didn't noticed that topic was changed.
[16:18] <Mkaysi> s/noticed/notice/
[16:20] <lcb> anyone know anything about this 'zeitgeist-datah' zombie process (I just found it in the system))?
[16:21] <penguin42> lcb: I think it's to do with knowing what you use often
[16:22] <lcb> penguin42, no file associations, no open files ... :o
[16:22] <vish> lcb: it's big brother
[16:22] <vish> they know what you are up to! ;p
[16:23] <lcb> that's the only zombie i have on one of natty i'm running
[16:23] <penguin42> lcb: SO it's a child of zeitgeist-daemon (!) I think it's run but the daemon hasn't done a wait() call on it yet - not a problem
[16:23] <penguin42> lcb: Doesn't take much resource up being a zombie
[16:23] <penguin42> hmm a zombie child of a daemon.....
[16:23] <lcb> vish :)
[16:23] <larious> I can't install openVPN.deb offline why
[16:25] <lcb> ok, thanks penguin42, i'll live with it - until 'Big Sister' knocks on my window - then we'll see ;)
[16:27] <vadi2> Would a bug report about Ubuntu completely crashing completely as soon as the touchpad is touched be applicable anywhere on the iso qa tracker?
[16:27] <lcb> vadi2, that happened only today?
[16:27] <penguin42> vadi2: If you've got a crash report it - any crash pretty much is a bug
[16:27] <vadi2> Yeah, after updates.
[16:28] <lcb> probably it will be solved soon.
[16:29] <vadi2> I reported it on launchpad, but not sure if it should go into the iso qa one
[16:29] <jon1> just downloaded thursday's release as an update and have a problem.  when i open any folder, such as home, videos, etc., i see nothing, just white
[16:30] <nemo> jon1: use gnome desktop and nautilus instead of unity? :)
[16:30] <nemo> sorry, I'm not too helpful, since I gave up on unity weeks ago
[16:31] <jon1> nemo: that's what i'm doing now, but i would like to give unity a try
[16:32] <lcb> well, that issue with vadi2 is happening in fact, with latest updates. in fact it happened twice while i ware writing the answer to him/her
[16:33] <lcb> so.. probably it will be fixed today also. hope so.
[16:36] <brad_> hello
[16:37] <brad_> list
[16:37] <brad_> anyone here?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[16:38] <brad_> has anyone had issues upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 beta today?  after upgrade I restart but still have gnome desktop
[16:38] <brad_> not sure how to get it to default to unity
[16:39] <penguin42> brad_: What graphics card are you using?
[16:39] <brad_> penguin42 how do I check from term?
[16:39] <penguin42> brad_: lspci | grep -i vga
[16:39] <brad_> I am on a mac running ubuntu on virtualbox
[16:39] <penguin42> hmm ok
[16:40] <penguin42> brad_: OK, my bet is that for some reason it's not seeing the 3d drivers properly - can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[16:40] <brad_> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
[16:40]  * penguin42 isn't too sure about how that works in virtualbox
[16:40] <lcb> grad, try selecting 'Ubuntu' on login. First install guest additions on Vbox to get 3D and restart.
[16:40] <lcb> brad_ i mean
[16:42] <brad_> ok updating guest additions ... will try that
[16:42] <lcb> restart vb
[16:42] <nemo> jon1: the most irritating thing about natty for me, is they are in theory days away from release...
[16:42] <lcb> i mean, vb machine (natty)
[16:42] <nemo> and I still get multiple crashes every time I do something pretty ordinary
[16:43] <lcb> nemo, so don't use it until 28th :p
[16:43] <nemo> heh
[16:43] <nemo> I'm skeptical they'll get all this fixed by then
[16:43] <nemo> this has been the most unstable beta I've ever tried
[16:43] <lcb> yes they will
[16:43] <nemo> perhaps the unity project is sucking up all their usual bugfix time
[16:43] <nemo> or introducing more in the process
[16:44] <lcb> not beta yet, see the stages (topic)
[16:44] <nemo> huh?
[16:44] <nemo> topic says it is beta
[16:44] <nemo> aaanyway, just comparing to this point in prior release cycles
[16:45] <ZarroBoogs> lcb: the beta was released yesterday.
[16:46] <lcb> ooops, right, march 24th...
[16:46] <lcb> didn't notice that
[16:46] <ZarroBoogs> lcb: The Topic also has a link to the beta release page.
[16:47] <lcb> yeah, just noticed. sorry. even tough... beta is still under "testing". only after 28th we could reclaim our money back :)
[16:47] <AstroFreddy> grreetings, are there reports of gdm failing to login? I can login but once I do, i get returned to a terminal. rebooting gdm doesn't help...
[16:49] <penguin42> AstroFreddy: That sounds like something in the session you logged into crashed
[16:49] <Blue1> i am on the livecd (beta) and want to look at unity.  How to I enable it?
[16:49] <digitalfiz> howdy :D
[16:49] <penguin42> AstroFreddy: Once you've selected your user try to select a different session type (drop down at the bottom)
[16:49] <AstroFreddy> good idea penguin42, will try failsafe.
[16:50] <digitalfiz> I am noticing a problem with opening programs from the unity sidebar thing
[16:50] <digitalfiz> like with terminal it doesnt open full screen but the window decoration is still not availible
[16:50] <tim> hi, after upgrading to the 11.04 beta, my machine freezes when kdm starts when using the nvidia-current driver. i can only start x with the nouvaeu driver
[16:50] <tim> is this a known issue?
[16:50] <digitalfiz> its attached to the top and I cannot control mazimize/minimize
[16:52] <penguin42> digitalfiz: Do you see the close/maximise/minimise icons in the top bar?
[16:53] <lcb> tim, right clicking on Aplications sidebar, or at the top, on ubuntu logo
[16:53] <digitalfiz> penguin42: nope not even if I use alt+F10 to maximize and alt+F5 to unmaximize
[16:53] <freddy> hmm, okay my GDM issue begins as soon as I move the mouse. I can't even log in or anything.
[16:53] <lcb> freedy, mouse or touchpad?
[16:53] <penguin42> digitalfiz: How about hitting F11?
[16:53] <freddy> touchpad.
[16:54] <tim> lcb: ? i am using kde
[16:54] <penguin42> yeh we've had a few people with touchpad triggered crashes
[16:54] <lcb> freddy, use mouse for a while. touchpad is having issues after an update today
[16:54] <Blue1> i am on the livecd (beta) and want to look at unity.  How do I enable it?
[16:54] <digitalfiz> penguin42: just noticed I have the buttons when maximized but if i unmaximize the window it still has no decoration and no buttons and its still attached to the top bar
[16:54] <freddy> thanks for all the help. I'll be using windows for a day or two I suppose. X-(
[16:55] <penguin42> digitalfiz: Do you have a program called unity-window-decorator running? (xlsclients | grep deco)
[16:56] <digitalfiz> penguin42: yes
[16:56] <penguin42> hmm I think that should be doing it
[16:56] <digitalfiz> penguin42: google chrome has a window decoration when i pull it from the top and windowize it
[16:57] <penguin42> digitalfiz: hrome is a bit odd though
[16:57] <digitalfiz> penguin42: or use the buttons its just terminal and sometimes naughtolous
[16:57] <freddy> digitalfiz: that happens to me too.
[16:57] <lcb> tim, that was for digitalfiz :)
[16:57] <tim> lcb: ah ok
[16:59] <tim> btw, is it (easily) possible to switch to an older version of the nvidia driver?
[17:01] <digitalfiz> lcb: if i use the top button and search for terminal it opens fine but I checked it to keep it in the dock and when I launch it from the dock it is attached to the top bar no matter what with no window decoration
[17:02] <digitalfiz> lcb: same happens with nautilus sometimes
[17:02] <digitalfiz> like if terminal is messed up and I open nautilus in the same desktop it does it
[17:05] <lcb> digitalfiz, try dragging the window / maximize and you might get the menus (to drag press ALT and drag it with the mouse)
[17:05] <digitalfiz> well it seems like clicking on a mounted drive in the sidebar opens 2 windows the second window is attached to the top with no decorations if its in the same desktop as the already messed up terminal
[17:05] <digitalfiz> hah that worked lcb
[17:05] <lcb> digitalfiz, double clicking it also might work, to get there
[17:05] <digitalfiz> nothing has worked but the alt+click and drag
[17:06] <lcb> digitalfiz, true. i noticed that for a while. even if you format something will do too
[17:08] <lcb> digitalfiz, the way to get the menus is having the app maximized.. at least until now. i notice too with some themes may interfere with that. i'm using unity exactly due to that
[17:08] <digitalfiz> im using elementary
[17:09] <lcb> digitalfiz, a couple minor corners to polish, still...
[17:09] <digitalfiz> yeah overall i am very impressed with unity
[17:09] <lcb> me2
[17:10] <lcb> i'm still using the classic gnome menu, though
[17:11] <digitalfiz> mainly because ive been using my chrome notebook and unity reminds me the whole working in the cloud feel
[17:11] <lcb> i hope the apps menu on the sidebar will have tree as gnome. if not i'll keep using gnome one
[17:11] <digitalfiz> kind of funny using the whole small screen methodology on a 22" widescreen hehe
[17:12] <lcb> ubuntu is the best
[17:12] <lcb> after damn small linux
[17:12] <lcb> j/kidding
[17:12] <digitalfiz> lol
[17:13] <digitalfiz> i just learned a new shortcut by accident
[17:13] <digitalfiz> holding ctrl+alt+shift and using arrows keys moves the window from desktop to desktop not just switching desktops
[17:13] <digitalfiz> much easier to move windows around like that
[17:13] <lcb> there is a page with all shortcuts for unity, i don't remember now
[17:13] <lcb> !shortcuts
[17:16] <charlie-tca> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[17:16] <Alex_Gaynor> Hi installed Narwal last night and now when I try to boot it basically freezes at the "Ubuntu" screen with no dots getting lit up.
[17:17] <penguin42> Alex_Gaynor: Hold shift down as it boots to get the grub menu and then try the 'recovery mode'
[17:17] <penguin42> Alex_Gaynor: Is it a new install or upgrade?
[17:17] <Alex_Gaynor> penguin42: upgrade
[17:17] <nemo> digitalfiz: heh. just learned about that one eh? :)
[17:18] <nemo> digitalfiz: yeah, that's not unity specific. works in metacity and compiz
[17:18] <digitalfiz> nemo: yeah
[17:18] <Alex_Gaynor> penguin42: I dual boot so I always get grub, I assume these grubs are equivalent?
[17:18] <penguin42> Alex_Gaynor: Yeh I think so
[17:18] <penguin42> Alex_Gaynor: Just choose the recovery option
[17:18] <Alex_Gaynor> yup Loading initial ramdisk :)
[17:18] <digitalfiz> i didnt figure it was im just really starting to really utilize the whole multiple desktops thing
[17:19] <lcb> geeez, looks like i need to turn off touchpad. every time i touch on it, without intention, this thing crashes. i hope this is resolved soon.
[17:19] <gnomefreak> freenode gave me a unicorn when connecting :)
[17:19] <lcb> it's happening after updates of ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard (all 1.217 to 1.218), today
[17:20]  * gnomefreak always uses mouse i hate touchpads
[17:20] <Alex_Gaynor> penguin42: it appears to have stopped (or I'm just not patient enough) at: `Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done.` `[3.604060] ata3: SATA link down (SStatus 0 Scontrol 0)`
[17:21] <penguin42> lcb: Is there a bug number for it?
[17:21] <penguin42> Alex_Gaynor: OK, sit back and wait for a minute or so - I've seen bugs in the past with that taking ages to time out
[17:21] <lcb> mee too, but i forgot to turn it off on bios. on this natty machine i have it running just in case mouse malfunction due to updates.
[17:21] <Alex_Gaynor> penguin42: alrighty, fun times :) thanks
[17:21] <penguin42> Alex_Gaynor: Either way it needs a bug filing against it
[17:21] <lcb> penguin42, i didn't see yet. fill a bug repport, i can't now.
[17:22] <Alex_Gaynor> penguin42: ok, my job to do that I assume?  Not sure what I have to say though, besides "it looks slow, or maybe it froze" :)
[17:23] <lcb> penguin42, try attaching some logs to it, in case no one yet did it.
[17:23] <penguin42> Alex_Gaynor: Yep, boot into something that works; and then run ubuntu-bug linux   detailing the problem and put a big hairy comment near the start saying the bug was reported from a different version than that which hangs
[17:23] <penguin42> lcb: I've not got it here
[17:23] <penguin42> haven't updated the machine with a touchpad for a day or so
[17:24] <lcb> it's easy, just touch the touchpad with a nail and check the logs when returning:)
[17:24] <Alex_Gaynor> penguin42: hm, will my old linux still be available after I upgraded?  this is my only ubuntu machine
[17:24] <lcb> i turned off the error reporting due to something i'm doing on this machine
[17:24] <penguin42> Alex_Gaynor: Yeh you should find that on the grub there is an 'older kernels' - try and see if that lets you log in and send the report
[17:25] <Dart> Need help in this : LP #747405
[17:25] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/588313/ ;) gotta love freenode
[17:26] <gnomefreak> Dart: fglrx and nividia are not working properly yet
[17:26] <gnomefreak> Dart: see link in /topic
[17:27] <charlie-tca> gnomefreak: that went away; there is a note about wubi now instead
[17:28] <charlie-tca> gnomefreak: you get to stay around longer today? Seems like you are not going away as fast
[17:33] <Alex_Gaynor> penguin42: filed, #747511
[17:33] <Alex_Gaynor> penguin42: I assume it's safe to upgrade packages from this kernel?
[17:33] <Alex_Gaynor> thanks for your help
[17:34] <penguin42> Alex_Gaynor: Yeh should be
[17:34] <thiebaude> im about to burn an 11.04 iso myself :)
[17:40] <frxstrem> When I upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04, the number of workspaces I have on my desktop changed (I used to have 4x3, now I only have 2x2), however, I cannot seem to find a way to add more workspaces - is it possible to do this in the new Unity interface?
[17:40] <penguin42> frxstrem: Yeh it's there it just takes some finding, pop up the compiz config thing and it's somewhere under general settings
[17:41] <frxstrem> penguin42: alright, thanks :D
[17:48] <bgold> hey, has anyone been able to install chrome on natty?
[17:49] <carli2> hi
[17:50] <carli2> when i touch the scroll region of my synaptics touchpad, xorg crashes under natty
[17:50] <carli2> how can i workaround this?
[17:50] <carli2> the error is known<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:54] <carli2> it's fixed
[17:54] <carli2> but when will the patch be applied?
[17:59] <penguin42> bug 747344
[17:59] <penguin42> carli2: Looks like it got fixed 3 hours ago
[18:00] <carli2> currently installing a deb from some repos
[18:01] <skyjumper> anyone here have dev access to Ubuntu's website?
[18:01] <skyjumper> big "Download the beta" link on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta doesn't work
[18:02] <mello> Hi! im trying to install ubuntu 110.04 on a virtual pc, but i cant get unity to work. how come? i have a nvida graphic card if thats a problem, and my os is ubuntu 10.10
[18:03] <penguin42> skyjumper: Hmm you're right - not sure how to get that fixed
[18:03] <penguin42> skyjumper: Oh I see, it's missing a '1'
[18:04] <penguin42> skyjumper: I've just asked in #devel - thanks for pointing it out
[18:04] <skyjumper> np
[18:05] <skyjumper> i resisted the urge to get trolltastic with "even the website is buggy!"
[18:06] <penguin42> hehe
[18:09] <mello> Hi! im trying to install ubuntu 110.04 on a virtual pc, but i cant get unity to work. how come? i have a nvida graphic card if thats a problem, and my os is ubuntu 10.10
[18:10] <charlie-tca> Does the virtual pc support 3d?
[18:10] <mello> i think so, im using virtualbox
[18:11] <skyjumper> mello: you probably don't have nvidia "in" the virtual machine
[18:11] <mello> how can i change it to nvidia?
[18:11] <penguin42> mello: You don't - make sure the guest additions are up to date
[18:11] <skyjumper> nvidia is hardware... the virtual pc is virtual
[18:11] <charlie-tca> VirtualBox does not support unity until guest additions are added, so you won t have it during the install
[18:12] <mello> aha, so its not possible at all then
[18:12] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Hmm I wonder why it just doesn't install them
[18:13] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but I haven't been able to get unity to work in VBox for a while now
[18:18] <mello> i have a hdd that is 1tb big and it crashes all the time in ubuntu, hade the same problem in windows but when i updatet my graphic card it fixed it. how can i solve this problem in ubuntu?
[18:19] <solstice> hi. is unity the default gui on beta 1 ? because I only got an empty left and top desktop. and on second boot, I got what seems to be a gnome desktop with changed top bar
[18:19] <penguin42> solstice: What hardware?
[18:19] <thiebaude> anyone have a link for a torrent to download 11.04?
[18:19] <solstice> nvidia 8300 GS
[18:19] <IdleOne> thiebaude: see /topic
[18:20] <thiebaude> thanks IdleOne
[18:20] <IdleOne> yup yup
[18:20] <solstice> also got a corrupted screen during boot up j(at every booot) ust after grub scren and before desktop shows up
[18:21] <first2mars> if you have multiple windows open of a single program and minimize one how to you get it back?
[18:21] <thiebaude> solstice, i have nvidia 8400 gs and no problems here
[18:22] <thiebaude> i just want to a fresh install, instead of an upgrade from 10.10
[18:23] <gnomefreak> chinilla: sorry i missed you. yeah i fixed network. had wirring issues and im working on some things so ill be around for a while. sorry i didnt check for the X link before i said it
[18:23] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: ^^^^ not chinilla
[18:23] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:24] <charlie-tca> It was really nice to have the topic the same for that long
[18:25] <solstice> I 'll come back and post a screenshot. how is it supposed to look like ?
[18:25] <gnomefreak> i guess the updates were pushed for nvidia and fglrx
[18:28] <yofel> solstice: with the default driver for nvidia cards? (nouveau)
[18:29] <trism> anyone notice the Placement Mode in the Place Windows compiz plugin not working in unity today (seems to work in classic gnome), every window loads in the top left
[18:29] <solstice> yofel: yes
[18:29] <yofel> solstice: and you mean that the splash was corrupted?
[18:29] <solstice> during the boot-up
[18:29] <yofel> yes, the screen between grub and the login screen
[18:30] <solstice> oh. I forgot. I took photos
[18:30] <yofel> solstice: like the one I attached on bug 723477 ?
[18:31] <solstice> yofel: yes very similar. wait a sec I upload my 2 photos
[18:33] <solstice> https://picasaweb.google.com/solstice.dhiver/Ubuntu1104Beta1Bugs?feat=directlink
[18:34] <yofel> yeah, that does look like broken plymouth. Mine's blue-ish since I use kubuntu
[18:34] <yofel> still not fixed :/
[18:35] <thiebaude> i wonder if i will have that problem after i install from the 11.04 dvd?
[18:35] <yofel> thiebaude: you will as long as you use nouveau
[18:35] <yofel> probably
[18:36] <thiebaude> on the live installer im going to choose upgrade from 10.10
[18:36] <gnomefreak> i opened a link in irssi and browser opened terminal closed :(
[18:37] <gnomefreak> crap
[18:38] <solstice> yofel: added my photo to the bug
[18:38] <solstice> abotu the empty desktop ?
[18:38] <yofel> no idea, unity doesn't work here either...
[18:38] <solstice> ok
[18:39] <gnomefreak> there much better :) had to update the bug link
[18:39] <dart> anyone know how to get unity work with new fglrx?
[18:39] <solstice> unity needs 3d graphic driver and use 3D ? opengl ?
[18:40] <yofel> yes
[18:40] <dart> anyone using fglrx with unity?
[18:41] <gnomefreak> yes unity needs compiz
[18:41] <david5345> My son is due to be born almost the same day as Natty Narwhal comes out. If he is born the same day, do I get a prize ?
[18:41] <thiebaude> wish i could use gnome-shell
[18:42] <gnomefreak> david5345: yes if and only if he is born on the same day you can order 1 cd installer from shipit ;)
[18:42] <gnomefreak> for free
[18:42] <gnomefreak> thiebaude: gnome-shell and unity are close to each other
[18:42] <Deithrian> Is there a way to configure the sidebar behavior? Some Unity config tool or something?
[18:42] <thiebaude> ok, cool :)
[18:42] <gnomefreak> Deithrian: really depends on what you want to do to it. ill be back in a few need a smoke
[18:43] <david5345> gnomefreak Nice :D I was hoping you might offer to overhaul the clipboard in Ubuntu or make thunderbird and openoffice be able to use network folders ;)
[18:43] <Deithrian> gnomefreak it's very simple, i need it to stay in focus when i hover over the "unity" button.
[18:43] <Deithrian> Right now when i hover over the button the menu is displayed but when i try to select something from it it dissapears
[18:44] <Deithrian> i need to click on the button to make it active and that doesn't always work
[18:44] <Deithrian> Is there a way to make it steal focus when i hover over the "start/unity" button so i can simply hover the button and chose what i need from the menu
[18:44] <Deithrian> instead of having to click it
[18:44] <thiebaude> after i install 11.04, whenever that is,lol, i'll let you all know how it goes :)
[18:45] <Deithrian> also what is the freaking point of just flashing the sidebar when you hover over the button and then it goes away?!
[18:45] <Deithrian> I don't get the point in that
[18:46] <Deithrian> if you want to make it functional make it steal focus so people can chose from the list after they hover the start button
[18:47] <thiebaude> Deithrian, you mean like auto-hide?
[18:47] <Deithrian> instead right now it's just a "Hey look! When you hover me i display this transparent sidebar which goes away woohoo" what's the point in that?!
[18:48] <Deithrian> no i mean when you hover your mouse over the "start" button
[18:48] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[18:48] <Deithrian> without clicking it
[18:48] <frxstrem> Deithrian: I think you'll need to move your cursor all the way to the top-left corner for it to appear properly
[18:48] <Deithrian> it simply displays the sidebar and you can't click on the sidebar
[18:48] <thiebaude> i guess i'll find out in a couple of hours,lol :)
[18:49] <Deithrian> frxstrem, why is that :(?!
[18:49] <frxstrem> Deithrian: I don't know, I did not make Ubuntu, I just use it
[18:49] <Deithrian> frxstrem, also i have dual monitors and my cursor escapes to the second one before the sidebar can be active
[18:49] <Deithrian> sigh
[18:49] <coz_> hey all
[18:50] <phaidros> is anyone here trying hamster applett on natty?
[18:50] <thiebaude> hey coz_
[18:50] <coz_> thiebaude,  hey guy
[18:50] <phaidros> it crashes always for me, but would like to know if it is just me or a general issue
[18:50] <thiebaude> :)
[18:50] <Deithrian> frxstrem, my god men you are right :o
[18:50] <coz_> phaidros,  what is the hanster applet for ?
[18:51] <phaidros> coz_: it is a neat time tracking apop
[18:51] <phaidros> app
[18:51] <Deithrian> when the cursor is at the tip of the button the sidebar is inactive, when i move the cursor closer to the edge it becomes active
[18:51] <coz_> phaidros,  ah ok let me try it on my natty system hold on
[18:51] <thiebaude> anbother indicator,lol
[18:51] <thiebaude> another
[18:51] <Deithrian> i am biting my fingers right now not to type how dumb that is o_o
[18:52] <phaidros> coz_: and until maverick it used to be on the panel, but that part of hamster is somehow borken, the rest (hamster-service, hamster-cli and hamster-overview) still wrks as expected, just the applet is dead.
[18:52] <Deithrian> so someone coded the bloody button to be transparent when the cursor is at the tip of the button and to become active when the cursor is at the far left edge of the screen gradually reducing transparency when you move the cursor to the edge
[18:52] <Deithrian> that is simply dumb...
[18:52] <phaidros> thiebaude: you refer to the new indicator package from the updates this afternoon ? *g
[18:53] <Deithrian> and i though it's a bug or something
[18:53] <thiebaude> me to, but only what i can expect after i finish downloading and installing
[18:53] <thiebaude> phaidros, actually yesterday
[18:53] <phaidros> oh, ok. so, is it worth trying?
[18:53] <thiebaude> i had did an upgrade from 10.10
[18:53] <nemo> Soooo, my mom is on ubuntu 10.10 - and after trying half a dozen solutions for fixing toshiba satellite brightness control, I ended up having to resort to this :-/
[18:54] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/set_brightness.sh
[18:54] <nemo> oh well..
[18:54] <frxstrem> Deithrian: there is actually an option for having the sidebar always visible, too, if you'd rather like that
[18:55] <Deithrian> I just can't believe that someone though that such a thing will be useful and functional
[18:55] <phaidros> coz_: oh wait, the aplett wrks again o.O
[18:55] <Deithrian> that just blows me away how can someone be so dumb O_O
[18:55] <Deithrian> i'm posting a bug against this
[18:56] <coz_> phaidros,  ah ok ,, I was going to say it seems to work here
[18:56] <phaidros> coz_: thanx alot for looking at it :)
[18:56] <coz_> no problem
[18:56] <phaidros> now I can happily count time again .. grml, that means I have to work :/
[18:58] <carl0s-> is it relatively safe for me to upgrade to Natty yet? I was using it a month or two ago, and window management and key/mouse input on X appeared to be intermittently screwed
[18:58] <thiebaude> since im going to be here most of the day its time for luch cya later :)
[18:58] <thiebaude> lunch
[18:58] <carl0s-> enjoy
[18:58] <Deithrian> no actually i will make a youtube video to ridicule it the way it deserves ^_^
[18:58] <thiebaude> thanks,
[18:59] <thiebaude> Deithrian, i woiuld love to see that
[18:59] <dart> any idea when next compiz version will be released? It has got a patch that can make it work with fglrx in revisions
[18:59] <thiebaude> :)
[18:59] <Deithrian> sure ill post it when it's done ^^
[18:59] <thiebaude> cool
[19:00] <arand> dart: If the patch is that critical, soon I would assume, track it on LP, or patch it yourself
[19:00] <dart> i can see it committed in trunk
[19:00] <carl0s-> so, Natty safe or screwed?
[19:00] <genii-around> carl0s-: Seems to depend on your hardware :)
[19:00] <carl0s-> true.. Intel
[19:00] <carl0s-> (gfx)
[19:00] <arand> Should be the safest I guess...
[19:01] <genii-around> carl0s-: Probably no unity 3d for you then
[19:01] <thiebaude> i have and AMD system with nvidia
[19:01] <thiebaude> genii-around,
[19:01] <carl0s-> ISTR it might have been Intel that was a specific problem when the new X was rolled out, maybe
[19:03] <carl0s-> hmm "Unity currently crashes very often. (711916, 686698, 687229, 728897, 725284, 729715, 737792, 740465, 711996)"
[19:03] <carl0s-> I might just leave it for now then.
[19:03] <Randolf> help, compiz is crashing with every click i make!
[19:04] <nemo> Randolf: use metacity?
[19:04] <Randolf> nemo, compiz has been ok with me all along, but i changed something in the ccsm and now it stared happening :s i fell back to mutter meanwhile
[19:05] <nemo> quite a fallback :)
[19:05] <Randolf> haha why?
[19:07] <nemo> oh, dunno, I always thought of mutter as metacity only w/ less features/integration
[19:07] <nemo> but then, haven't used it much
[19:07] <Randolf> well its got a better compositing hehe
[19:08] <Blue11> this is what I see when I boot off the live cd (beta 1/11.04) -- http://imagebin.org/146118  how do I get to unity?
[19:08] <Randolf> anyway, the problem seems to have ceased
[19:11] <gnomefreak> ok confused, off to scroll
[19:11] <trism> Blue11: if you want to see it on the live cd, install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental, then log out and select the session on the login screen (you may need to give the ubuntu user a password to get back in first)...that package isn't on the cd so unless you have network, you'll need to get it somewhere else
[19:11] <thiebaude> gnomefreak, have a good one :)
[19:12] <gnomefreak> :)
[19:13]  * pmatulis sees a different shade of blue on the alternate installer.  not sure
[19:15] <gnomefreak> Blue11: it may be that compiz is crashing or you dont have the drivers for unity
[19:15] <gnomefreak> Blue11: trism is most likely correct
[19:15] <Blue11> gnomefreak: if I install the driver (I am using the foss driver that comes with it) then how do I enable it, once it's installed?
[19:16] <Blue11> logout/in
[19:17] <Blue11> ahh just remembered they removed legacy support in 10.10 so it would never work on my test machine.
[19:18] <trism> Blue11: that packages isn't for the nvidia proprietary driver, it is for the experimental 3d support with nouveau
[19:19] <Blue11> trism: yes but for example I can not run compiz on my test machine, because there is no driver to support it, like there was in 10.04
[19:19] <thiebaude> would i still be able to use the propietary nvidia drivers in 11.04?
[19:20] <Blue11> okay will try your method bbl
[19:21] <trism> thiebaude: 270.30 is working here, don't know about legacy versions
[19:21] <gnomefreak> anyone else having issues with flash playing videos very fast and no sound
[19:21] <thiebaude> ok, thanks
[19:21] <gnomefreak> i thought it was my HD but i disconnected HD and it still does it
[19:22] <thiebaude> im using 260.19.06 btw
[19:23] <trism> thiebaude: probably okay then, my card is a really old 6 series
[19:25] <thiebaude> ok, im going to try the update from 10.10 on the 11.04 live installer when i finish d'loading it
[19:31] <Deithrian> Amazing....
[19:31] <Deithrian> when using recordmydesktop
[19:32] <Deithrian> it shows a border line i guess 1 pixel thin around the two monitors
[19:32] <Deithrian> and thats all it takes to prevent me from activating the sidebar
[19:32] <Deithrian> 1 pixel....
[19:32] <Deithrian> unreliable
[19:33] <alex_mayorga> Deithrian: reliable I'd say
[19:33] <Deithrian> so the coder of the sidebar decided that only a single pixel from the entire estate of the button can make the sidebar active?
[19:33] <Deithrian> that is just LOL :D
[19:35] <alex_mayorga> can you post a screen capture? I don't quite get what you're explaining
[19:35] <Deithrian> Open nautilus and maximize the window the sidebar disappears
[19:36] <Deithrian> hover your mouse over the start button and try to find the one pixel that will make it steal focus so you can select anything from the sidebar
[19:36] <Deithrian> the rest of the button estate is used to make the sidebar less or more transparent
[19:37] <Deithrian> ridiculous !!! :D
[19:37] <arand> apt-btrfs-snaphot: installed -> Time to go wild \o/
[19:38] <LLStarks> will the usc get sexed up anymore before the release
[19:38] <LLStarks> *sexied
[19:39] <waynox111> trism: i tried to install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental and it said it couldn't find it.
[19:40] <trism> waynox111: I said it wasn't on the cd, and it is in universe
[19:40] <waynox111> oh so I need to add the repo
[19:41] <trism> waynox111: yes, or just download the package from packages.ubuntu.com, the cd has all the deps for it, so you can just dpkg -i it
[19:42] <waynox111> dpkg didn't work
[19:42] <trism> waynox111: what was the error?
[19:43] <waynox111> hope this doesn't flood
[19:43] <waynox111> sudo dpkg -i libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[19:43] <waynox111> dpkg: error processing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental (--install):
[19:43] <waynox111>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[19:43] <waynox111> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:43] <waynox111>  libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[19:43] <gnomefreak> you should be able to just enable the repos
[19:43] <arand> waynox111: You need to give the full path and filename
[19:44] <gnomefreak> you can also try using the gui dpkg tool. right click the package after download and click open with gdebi or whatever the tool is called
[19:44] <arand> They open in USC nowadays, but yea
[19:44] <waynox111> just enable the universe
[19:45] <waynox111> much more better
[19:47] <waynox111> bbiab
[19:51] <Chr|s> will gnome 3.0 be packaged in 11.04
[19:52] <gnomefreak> Chr|s: yes it is already here
[19:52] <gnomefreak> im gone need to do some shopping :(
[19:52] <yofel> Chr|s: in a PPA yes, but not in the archive
[19:53] <thiebaude> gnomefreak, ever been to an install-fest?
[19:53] <Chr|s> yofel, so 11.04 wont have gnome 3.0 as default then, it will have 2.0
[19:54] <yofel> it will have unity as default, and gnome 2.32 as fallback
[19:55] <Chr|s> hmm unity
[19:55] <wolter> no it didn't cease! :-/ help my unity crashes with each click on the panel
[19:56] <tom_> does the xubuntu  have that big panel on the left as well? i like the speed increase on my end in 11.04 but i hate that panel
[19:58] <Blue1> trism: i was able to get unity up thanks
[19:58] <yofel> tom_: while I don't use neither unity nor xfce, I believe the panel is unity-only
[19:58] <Blue1> trism: but there is not terminal window - which makes it not so useful
[19:58] <tom_> yofel thx
[20:00]  * thiebaude this is fun,lol :)
[20:00] <tom_> yofel so that means i can use 11.04 without unity?
[20:00] <Chr|s> bummer, gnome 3 comes out the 6th and it wont be a part of 11.04
[20:00] <yofel> tom_: sure, even if you install ubuntu you can just use gnome 2 by selecting classic ubuntu at login
[20:01] <ayush_> I just installed natty beta 1. it wont install the broadcom wireless drivers (which worked fine in maverick). pls help
[20:01] <trism> Blue1: ctrl+alt+T should get you a terminal (or click the ubuntu logo and search for terminal)
[20:01] <thiebaude> yofel, i can still insatll gnome 3 on 11.04?
[20:01] <thiebaude> install
[20:01] <tom_> yofel thx again
[20:02] <arand> Um, 11.04 has most of gnome3, less the window/desktop management, hasn't it
[20:02] <yofel> arand: erm, no?
[20:03] <wolter> isn't anybody else getting severe problems with unity?
[20:03] <yofel> gnome in natty is 2.32
[20:03] <arand> Ok, then I need to read up
[20:03] <yofel> there's a ppa with gnome3 packages
[20:03] <charlie-tca> tom_: no, Xubuntu does not use unity, and does not have that panel on the left
[20:03] <thiebaude> thanks yofel
[20:04] <yofel> thiebaude: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/
[20:04] <tom_> charlie-tca thx
[20:04] <lcb> hey people, help me restore, reinstall the bug report system. apport is installed; ubuntu-bug trows me tu ubuntu-meta, not natty
[20:05] <lcb> tu/to
[20:05] <yofel> lcb: what package do you want to report the bug about?
[20:05] <Chr|s> GNOME 3.0 rescheduled for September 2011
[20:05] <Chr|s> heh nvm
[20:06] <lcb> yofel, 3 or one of 3. it might need to explain the bug, not based on any package in special but on an update today.
[20:06] <thiebaude> yofel, i might hold off on gnome 3 just to be safe
[20:07] <yofel> lcb: hm, report it against the package you tink is the closest one to the issue and then deselect the package choice on launchpad when you put in the details
[20:07] <yofel> s/tink/think/
[20:07] <lcb> yofel, i said this today already, here: after updating ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard (all 1.217 to 1.218) 'touching' on touchpad crashes Ubuntu (desktop)
[20:09] <yofel> hm... no idea, could be driver, X, xinput, or some gtk related thing...
[20:09] <arand> It wasn't just these packages that was upgrded, was it?
[20:09] <lcb> yofel, when i said that i ware hopping someone woulf fill the repport but i just checked and is not. it's not affecting only me - much more ppl and possible all users
[20:10] <lcb> geez woulf/would - typo
[20:11] <yofel> do you get logged out?
[20:11] <lcb> arand, @ me? if so, yes
[20:11] <lcb> for sure after updating those pkgs
[20:11] <arand> lcb: The reason it "throws you to ubuntu-meta" is that all of these 3 packages are based on the source package ubuntu-meta.
[20:11] <yofel> lcb: what version of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics do you have installed?
[20:12] <arand> ubuntu-meta only handles dependencies, so the bug is almost certainly not there.
[20:13] <arand> Unless they did actually remove stuff..
[20:13] <yofel> sounds like lp 747126
[20:13] <lcb> yofel, 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-ubuntu9
[20:13] <yofel> lcb: install updates, -ubuntu10 is  supposed to fix that
[20:14] <yofel> *if* you have that bug, which sounds likely
[20:14] <lcb> ohh shoot, i just noticed there is an update for that. but it is there not long ago
[20:15] <yofel> nope, was fixed 5h ago
[20:15] <yofel> then it had to be built, published, put on the mirrors...
[20:16] <lcb> yofel, it's installing it
[20:19] <lcb> yofel, if i quit now, that's because i intentionally touched the touchpad or the updates needs a reboot before fixing it.
[20:19] <yofel> it needs one ^^
[20:23] <lcb> yofel, fixed. needed a reboot or restart of the session. i did a reboot anyway
[20:23] <yofel> needed a session restart
[20:24] <lcb> ya, but much more updates were done so, playing on the safe side...
[20:25] <lcb> that one was nasty, btw. and i believe it affected everyone with touchpads.
[20:30] <penguin42> lcb: Nice fun bug :-)
[20:31]  * yofel didn't log out when he heard of that
[20:31] <lcb> penguin42, yeah... and ppl came immediately complaining and having the money back
[20:32] <BlaDe^> hey peeps... i've installed vsftpd, and i can connect to it.. I created a user using useradd -g ftp -p password -s /user/sbin/nologin ftpuser (Or similar) ---- but it says invalid login if I try to login (logs reflect this too), any ideas why?
[20:33] <Blue1> trism: i don't seem to have a anyway to access the gnome-terminal from unity, nor does it recognise any usb flash drives I plug in - is that normal?
[20:35] <lcb> Blue1, even with ALT +F2 and gnome-terminal ?
[20:35] <penguin42> Blue1: To get a terminal, click on the Ubuntu icon at the top, search for terminal
[20:35] <lcb> btw, ALT+F2 seems to have an issue now. it opens the menus on top of the dialog
[20:36] <trism> Blue1: also ctrl+alt+T should give you a terminal, and usb flash drives are working here
[20:36] <penguin42> trism: How did you find that?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> penguin42: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[20:37] <trism> penguin42: find what?
[20:37] <lcb> shortcuts
[20:37] <Blue1> lcb: forgot about that let me try
[20:38] <charlie-tca> shortcuts are listed at http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[20:38] <trism> oh someone mentioned it here a while ago
[20:38] <lcb> Blue1, i believe this one started today too
[20:38] <charlie-tca> lcb: the alt+f2 thing?
[20:38] <lcb> yes
[20:38] <charlie-tca> That has not worked for quite a while already.
[20:38] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Ah cool
[20:39] <lcb> opens the search apps on top/at same time the run dialog
[20:39] <Blue1> lcb: the run window comes up, but entering gnome-terminal does nothing
[20:39] <lcb> Blue1, probably you don't have it installed
[20:40] <Blue1> penguin42: i got nothing back
[20:40] <penguin42> Blue1: Odd
[20:40] <penguin42> Blue1: For me it shows me the gnome-terminal icon (and remote terminal services)
[20:41] <Blue1> trism: ctrl+alt+t doesn't work either
[20:42] <lcb> Blue1, CTRL+ALT+F1 and sudo apt-get install gnome-terminal
[20:42] <lcb> login 1st btw
[20:42] <Blue1> i am using the experimental thing trism spoke of:  libg1-mesa-dri-experimental from the universe repo
[20:43] <Blue1> coming up with error after error --
[20:43] <Blue1> let me try rebooting again
[20:43] <lcb> recovery mode tough
[20:43] <lcb> select all options, dpkg, clean, grub
[20:43] <wolter> hm regex matching plugin was causing my problems, anybody else having problems with it?
[20:51] <Blue1> reboot fixed many things - I now have a terminal window
[20:52] <incorrect> how can i create a custom launcher? i don't seem to be able to pin eclipse
[20:52] <lcb> so no more terminal disease:) so was not terminal.
[20:53] <trism> incorrect: create a .desktop file and you can drag and drop it on the launcher
[20:54] <incorrect> thanks
[20:56] <Blue1> usb now working -- yeah
[20:58] <incorrect> nope can't pin eclipse
[20:59] <incorrect> not even after creating a ,desktop
[21:01] <incorrect> oh you can drag it directly on
[21:02] <incorrect> weird it opened up a second icon
[21:02] <Deithrian> will compiz crashes be fixed soon?
[21:02] <wolter> incorrect, if you run it and right click the 'keep in launcher' option?
[21:02] <wolter> Deithrian, so you are getting them too??
[21:02] <Deithrian> yep
[21:03] <wolter> Deithrian, i disabled regex matching plugin and everything has calmed down
[21:03] <Deithrian> where is that?!
[21:03] <wolter> Deithrian, System Settings > Compiz Config / Settings Manager > Regex Matching
[21:03] <incorrect> once its running i don't get an option
[21:04] <wolter> incorrect, you don't get an eclipse icon in the launcher
[21:04] <wolter> ?
[21:04] <incorrect> i get an unknown icon
[21:04] <incorrect> well a [?] icon
[21:04] <wolter> oh
[21:07] <Deithrian> wolter, i don't have Compiz config ?! O_o
[21:07] <wolter> Deithrian, try to run ccsm
[21:07] <wolter> or else you should be able to install it
[21:08] <wolter> and what about the launcher lenses? wasn't that supposed to be working?
[21:08] <incorrect> maybe unity3d works better
[21:10] <wolter> oh you're using 2d
[21:11] <Sonja> in terminal, i can see my password when i type it for sudo
[21:11] <Sonja> is that a known bug?
[21:14] <lcb> Sonja, no. it suppose to do that
[21:15] <Sonja> :P
[21:16] <lcb> Sonja, you want to see the password so you or the person behind you don't forget it?
[21:16] <Sonja> makes sense
[21:16] <lcb> :)
[21:18] <Sonja> that and some icons in my panel look like broken links, but still work fine
[21:18] <Sonja> are the only quirks i´ve noticed
[21:19] <lcb> Sonja, that's nothing wrong with the pass thing. you have a couple applications where there is an option to see pass as we type it. only a few. and most of them shows asterisks. not in terminal tough.
[21:19] <Sonja> normally terminal is just blank
[21:19] <Sonja> when entering password
[21:20] <Sonja> no ** or anything
[21:20] <lcb> Sonja, no pics on those icons?
[21:20] <lcb> Sonja, that one is normal.
[21:20] <yofel> Sonja: sudo works fine here
[21:21] <lcb> about missing icons, are you sure they are linked to real apps?
[21:21] <Sonja> yeah the battery icon
[21:21] <Sonja> and the network/wifi/eth0 icon
[21:21] <Sonja> they still seem to work fine, when i right click them and use them
[21:21] <lcb> Sonja, try changing themes
[21:21] <Sonja> want a screenshot?
[21:21] <Sonja> ok
[21:22] <lcb> Sonja, right click on empty desktop spot, 'change desktop backgroung', then themes. select unity to start
[21:24] <Sonja> i don´t see unity in there lol
[21:24] <lcb> at the end
[21:24] <Sonja> HumanME, New Wave, Radiance
[21:24] <Sonja> are the last 3
[21:25] <lcb> Sonja, Clearlooks
[21:25] <lcb> on top
[21:25] <Sonja> ok i got clearlooks now
[21:25] <lcb> that one seems to work fine. some indeed are (or at least had issues)  with missing icons
[21:26] <Sonja> the alert bar icons are still broken looking
[21:26] <Sonja> but they work :)
[21:26] <lcb> so you already have some of the previous ones working?
[21:26] <lcb> i mean showing icons..
[21:31] <Sonja> it´s the same situation as before i started messing in themes
[21:31] <Sonja> it´s totally functional. just an aesthetic problem of missing images
[21:31] <Sonja> i´ll reboot 3 more times and do a special voodo dance :)
[21:32] <lcb> Sonja, is that a fresh installation or you upgraded it?
[21:33] <lcb> Sonja, is that a virtual machine with no guest additions - not added?
[21:34] <lu10> Hello, I just updated my system to ubuntu 11.04, but it seems that the mouse and the network connexion are not working after reboot.. anyone may help me please ?
[21:39] <lcb> lu10, try sudo apt-get update - sudo apt-get upgrade - sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -sudo apt-get -f install - reboot - press shift before loading grub - select dpkg - then clean - then grub - then failsafe and select default - reboot. it might work after all, i hope.
[21:41] <lu10> lcb, the problem is that the connection is not working with ubuntu!
[21:41] <Sonja> i upgraded from 10.10
[21:41] <Sonja> i added sabily, i dunno if that was a factor
[21:41] <Sonja> and i played in ubuntu tweak a lot
[21:41] <lcb>  lu10 you need to check network/interfaces
[21:41] <Sonja> in 10.10 before upgrading to natty today
[21:42] <lu10> lcb, my problem is that the mouse / the connection are not working, only keyboard
[21:42] <incorrect> thank god this release has a fix for the ath9k in this netbook
[21:42] <lcb> Sonja, what i said to lu10 might help you too.
[21:43] <lcb> lu10, you know how to configure network?
[21:44] <lu10> lcb, yes but i think its a drivers problem
[21:44] <lu10> the network must be auto-configured
[21:45] <lcb> start with the simple configuration
[21:46] <lcb> check sudo ifup eth0 (or the interface you use)
[21:46] <lcb> ifup eth0
[21:46] <lu10> ok
[21:47] <lcb> no error?
[21:48] <lu10> I'm using windows now, I'll reboot and try it
[21:48] <lcb> oh...
[21:48] <lcb> look
[21:48] <lu10> Well I have no solution, no Internet / no mouse / nothing working on ubuntu, I was obliged to use windows :P
[21:48] <lcb> check /etc/network/interfaces and use the default configuration, to start.
[21:48] <lu10> ok
[21:49] <lcb> lu10, windows is a bit di$$erent though.
[21:52] <lcb> Sonja, one thing...  'ubuntu tweak' on a non final release... i don't think is a good idea
[21:57] <Sonja> oh and have to turn on 3rd party sources again
[22:08] <mnaines> Is Ubuntu 11.04 going to be any better?  I've been reading reports its actually the worst Ubuntu yet.
[22:08] <Sonja> new! shiny!
[22:08] <Sonja> higher number!
[22:08] <Sonja> wow!
[22:08] <skyjumper> define 'worst'
[22:09] <Sonja> 10.10 is long term so you have the choice to stick with it
[22:09] <mnaines> I thought 10.04 was the LTS
[22:09] <Sonja> o maybe i´m wrong then
[22:09] <jedix> hey, I'm trying to get ubuntu to boot on a system with only 3tb hdds, can someone help?
[22:10] <mnaines> jedix, I got Ubuntu to run peacefully on a 40GB Corsair Force SSD
[22:11] <jedix> the issue is with the GPT
[22:11] <jedix> not installation or anyhting
[22:11] <mnaines> Not really.  I got it to work fine on mine.
[22:11] <jedix> ...it's only 40gb
[22:12] <mnaines> Why do you need 3 Terabytes for the boot partition?
[22:12] <jedix> I don;t, but it changes what the partition table looks like
[22:12] <Blue1> trism: thanks!  http://pkill-9.com/?p=703
[22:12] <jedix> ie, standard grub2 install can't be done
[22:13] <mnaines> jedix, here's what I do:  I use a very small (40GB) drive as the boot drive then use terabyte drives externally for storing all my stuff
[22:13] <xAndromeda> do you guys know how to make the dash resizable? its stuck full screen...
[22:13] <BUGabundo> yupi kayey
[22:13] <jedix> mnaines: I on;y have 3tb disks
[22:13] <xAndromeda> i thought the unity auto-resizes by default on beta
[22:13] <mnaines> jedix, hmm...
[22:14] <mnaines> jedix, you probably paid more for each terabyte disk than you would have for a 40GB Corsair Force SSD
[22:14] <charlie-tca> dash disappears when you pick the app
[22:15] <jedix> mnaines: doesn't really fix the issue
[22:15] <mnaines> Jedix, what's the issue, then?
[22:16] <jedix> mnaines: I can't boot the system because grub can't be installed on 3tb drives in the normal way
[22:16] <jedix> I need help setting up grub2 to boot from GPT disks
[22:16] <mnaines> jedix, that doesn't help me much.  I have not had a problem booting from a GPT disk
[22:17] <jedix> mnaines: I didn't see you ask a question.
[22:18] <thiebaude> well, im back , but my installing the 11.04 dvd did not work :(
[22:18] <Deithrian> Well the recorded file from recordmydesktop is useless.Nothing converts it to anything but gray screen.
[22:18] <xAndromeda> charlie-tca, how do i make it so the dash is liek the one here http://goo.gl/aKEGd
[22:19] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, so what didn't work, exactly ?
[22:20] <thiebaude> a error came up that said: [182.277030] panic occured, switching back to text mode
[22:20] <thiebaude> but after that everything just locks up
[22:21] <thiebaude> on the try ubuntu out and install ubuntu, both options
[22:21] <charlie-tca> xAndromeda: get a bigger monitor?
[22:22] <thiebaude> the 11.04 live DVD is 3.9 gb
[22:23] <penguin42> thiebaude: If you get that panic error you could really do with getting the rest of the message - there should be a lot of detail that could explain why
[22:23] <xAndromeda> charlie-tca, my monitor is 1080p... is that too small?!?!?!?!
[22:24] <penguin42> xAndromeda: Yes, as of today Ubuntu is only supported on 4k HD monitors
[22:24] <thiebaude> penguin42, im going to burn the iso again
[22:24] <thiebaude> in brasero
[22:24] <charlie-tca> what size in inches/ meters? 42inch will have more screen to see than 10 inches
[22:25] <xAndromeda> charlie-tca, 22 inch ithink, is there no way to turn it on manually?
[22:25] <thiebaude> penguin42, there was a list of other processes being loadin befor i got that error
[22:25] <thiebaude> before
[22:25] <xAndromeda> the full screen is insanely annoying
[22:25] <Deithrian> Here is my Rant on the unity interface, since i can't upload the file from recordmydesktop to youtube i uploaded the 40mb file to rapidshare for your amusement, enjoy! (please don't ban me lol) http://rapidshare.com/files/455476097/out.ogv
[22:26] <penguin42> thiebaude: was there a load of other text on the screen at that time - a digital picture of that would help people
[22:26] <thiebaude> its so weird i have been using ubuntu since 6.06 and have never had problems with beta
[22:26] <thiebaude> all i got was the error message i just showed you :)
[22:31] <Lars___> hi
[22:31] <thiebaude> penguin42, when i burn a iso do i burn as a file or contents?
[22:32] <penguin42> thiebaude: I can't remember the appropriate options - what you don't want is a CD with that iso as one file on the CD, it has to be the actual image of the CD
[22:33] <thiebaude> the cd/dvd creater was asking me do i want to burn as a file or the contents
[22:34] <thiebaude> i probably need to use brasero
[22:34] <ripps> How's the compiz stability with nvidia in ubuntu natty, I'm considering upgrading, but when I've tested Natty before using a livecd a little while back, every little change I made caused compiz to crash, is this better now?
[22:35] <charlie-tca> ripps: it should be. everyday brings more changes and stability to it
[22:36] <Deithrian> ripps it's great! It's working as intended, i already have 40% white hair on my head!
[22:36] <Deithrian> dear god i hope Xubuntu is stable enough
[22:36] <thiebaude> haha , white check me out, lol :)
[22:36] <ripps> I'm aware that nouvoue is broken with my nvidia gt240, but the proprietary driver should be working
[22:37] <Deithrian> Compiz random crashes
[22:37] <Deithrian> it's not fatal, it recovers without closing any apps but still crashes
[22:38] <Deithrian> dleting my rant video XD whoever got it got it
[22:39] <thiebaude> you got a link?
[22:39] <thiebaude> before its too late,lol :)
[22:39] <Deithrian> http://rapidshare.com/files/455476097/out.ogv
[22:39] <ripps> I'm probably not going to use Unity, I've tried it and the whole global menu bar is just too weird.  I can't remember what it is now though. :/
[22:39] <xAndromeda> any way to make unity resizable? >_<
[22:40] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[22:40] <Deithrian> sneaky recordmydesktop prevented me from ridiculing unity on youtube >_>
[22:40] <thiebaude> Deithrian, thanks
[22:40] <syn-ack> charlie-tca, And there was also something from Jono that I remember actually agreeing with him on, which is rare but still the same
[22:40] <charlie-tca> it's a conspiracy, Deithrian
[22:40] <nemo> I might try unity again
[22:41] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:41] <Deithrian> i know rite O-O
[22:41] <Deithrian> thiebaude are you done?
[22:41] <thiebaude> yes
[22:41] <Deithrian> ok thanks
[22:41] <nemo> my objections to it last time I tried it about a month ago were * crashes  * positions new windows half off screen so I have to move 'em w/ alt + mouse * sloooooooow and unattactive heavy shadowing
[22:42] <nemo> actually, the heavy shadowing was reeally irritating 'cause I had to spend way too long discovering the hidden unity window decorator that ran even in classic gnome, ignoring the window decorator config in ccsm
[22:42] <nemo> took a while to find it and replace it with gtk window decorator
[22:42] <Deithrian> dude they are taking people in the stoneage with this inteface :/
[22:42] <nemo> whole thing feels hacked
[22:42] <nemo> gnome is a big thing for a small team to try to replace well
[22:43] <nemo> esp on a tight deadline
[22:43] <xAndromeda> idk i think they did
[22:43] <nemo> I think they should stick with classic by default, and just make people aware of unity to try it
[22:43] <xAndromeda> fairly well
[22:43] <Deithrian> what do you mean fairly well?
[22:44] <nemo> apart from crashing and window movement quirks and slowness, it does implement basics decently
[22:44] <nemo> but as soon as you get out of that, you run into trouble
[22:44] <Deithrian> this interface is for playstation users who can only use gEdit
[22:44] <nemo> that might be all they were shooting for though
[22:45] <nemo> oh well, if they deprecate gnome or something, there's always debian :)
[22:45] <Deithrian> debian is too outdated :/
[22:46] <Deithrian> I hope that xubuntu will work for me :/ downloading
[22:46] <nemo> Deithrian: there's bleeding edge debian :)
[22:46] <nemo> but. yes. that's what I liked about ubuntu.
[22:47] <nemo> a massive user base meant good support and plenty of packages
[22:47] <nemo> I hope they don't lose the users too
[22:47] <Deithrian> oh they will win users alright ... the ones that use  office
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu works for anybody! It is the good desktop environment
[22:48] <Deithrian> charlie-tca, are you on Xubuntu now? beta1?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:48] <thiebaude> ok im going to try this 11/04 dvd is just burned , bbl :)
[22:48] <charlie-tca> But I been on Natty Xubuntu since the beginning
[22:48] <nemo> oh. since things are active here.
[22:48] <Deithrian> charlie-tca, is it at least half stable as unity?
[22:48] <thiebaude> i just burned
[22:48] <nemo> might as well try again
[22:48] <nemo> anyone using fglrx under natty?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> sure, it is stable. It has a few minor annoyances
[22:49] <charlie-tca> xubuntu uses Xfce 4.8, which is a bit of a change, but you get used to it quickly.
[22:49] <nemo> I ran into an fglrx shader crasher in webgl, that impacts my 10.10 machine - I updated to latest fglrx from ATI and it was fixed there.
[22:49] <xAndromeda> Deithrian, did the unity dash appear like that by default?
[22:49] <nemo> but I was wondering if the (older) version in natty was also fixed
[22:49] <nemo> so looking for someone to try a test page
[22:49] <charlie-tca> There is a hidden panel at screen bottom you should find neat, too
[22:50] <Deithrian> xAndromeda, what do you mean?
[22:50] <Deithrian> charlie-tca, great :) downloading and installing Xfce my new home
[22:50] <xAndromeda> Deithrian, for me the unity dash is fullscreen by default, i did ia clean install yesterday with the beta and it still appears full screen every time
[22:51] <xAndromeda> most annoying thing on eaerth
[22:51] <Deithrian> what is unity dash?!
[22:51] <Deithrian> sorry my Engrish is not perfect
[22:51] <xAndromeda> when you click on the ubuntu/application icon
[22:51] <xAndromeda> the search thing
[22:51] <Deithrian> for you it's on full screen??? :O
[22:52] <Deithrian> my resolution is 1680x1050
[22:52] <nemo> someone should do a poll for Natty users to vote on which desktop they are using :)
[22:52] <nemo> would be interesting to see if we are in the minority
[22:52] <Deithrian> my god i can't imagine that thing on fullscreen haha that will make me shoot myself
[22:53] <Deithrian> i bet that will be the case nemo
[22:53] <Deithrian> after all people need only one window open at a time like office
[22:53] <Deithrian> or e-mail
[22:53] <lcb> guys, you want the gnome menu i'll give you with no fee, only today: $ gnome-session-properties | Add Name: Gnome Panel ; Command: gnome-panel | save | move the menus on the bottom left a little bit to the right so don't overlap the unity bar and you still have gnome feeling menu
[22:53] <Deithrian> more then one window open is bad news for stressed daily life ha ha
[22:54] <xAndromeda> lol
[22:55] <xAndromeda> http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4898/screenshot1be.png
[22:56] <xAndromeda> ^stuck with that ugly thing
[22:56] <Deithrian> for example, before i use to have my Kaffeine running with TV, Opera, Xchat and Gimp, and i was able to switch between them with just one click at the taskbar
[22:57] <Deithrian> but now i enjoy the calm environment of Unity where i have to click on the start button and double click on the app i want to switch to, or maybe use alt+tab to Compiz crash
[22:57] <lcb> Deithrian, if you do what i said you could still have it.
[22:57] <yofel> xAndromeda: that's the future! Newer... Shinier... better... and as a bonus even worser usability than ever!
[22:57] <Deithrian> nah i will switch to Xubuntu :) thanks
[22:57] <Lars___> switch to xubuntu no no
[22:57] <Deithrian> yes yes
[22:57] <yofel> you can just use gnome...
[22:57] <lcb> Damn Small Linux works great too.
[22:57] <Deithrian> what's wrong with Xubuntu?
[22:57] <Lars___> no no
[22:58] <Lars___> gnome (unity) is cool
[22:58]  * yofel notes he's a KDE user :P
[22:58] <Deithrian> oh KDE
[22:59] <Deithrian> the interface where you have 100000 100% useless options to customize uselessness o-o
[22:59] <yofel> yep
[22:59] <xAndromeda> yofel, i dont hate the ui i just hate how its full screen all the freaking time and i cant find a way to change it
[22:59] <lcb> btw yofel, any special way of installing kde... and still keep testing this as is?  from synaptics?
[22:59] <Daekdroom> Every time I tried KDE I couldn't handle all the clutter.
[22:59] <xAndromeda> its not in the unity settings under ccsm
[22:59] <Lars___> Deithrian: if you dont like the unity why dont you use gnome
[22:59] <xAndromeda> so fustrating
[22:59] <Daekdroom> Not even long enough to try to change a few settings, anyway
[23:00] <Deithrian> Lars___ i guess because i assume they will stop updating maintaining gnome?!
[23:00] <lcb> ...Lars... or 11.04 under Classic Desktop
[23:00] <Lars___> yes i meant that lcb
[23:00] <yofel> lcb: well, kde shouldn't affect unity in any way I think. The only tested way if anything for installing kde is to install the kubuntu-destkop package
[23:01] <Lars___> Deithrian:  gnome is still supported until at least 2013 (ubuntu10.04) or 2012 (ubuntu11.04)
[23:01] <xAndromeda> i think unity should be delayed
[23:01] <xAndromeda> this is perhaps the worst ubuntu beta ever
[23:01] <Lars___> no
[23:01] <Deithrian> Lars___ so they will not break things for gnome in order to make Unity work better?
[23:01] <Lars___> Deithrian:  no ;)
[23:02] <Deithrian> ok ;)
[23:02] <Lars___> xAndromeda: the gnome 3 is worster
[23:02] <kklimonda_> xAndromeda: there is not much time to delay Unity, at least you think they should delay it until 12.10 (the first release after next LTS)
[23:02] <xAndromeda> Lars___ that fills me with confidence
[23:02] <lcb> yofel, just tried my tasksel and is 'broken' debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another p...
[23:02] <Deithrian> what about the 1gb mem usage? is that Unity?
[23:02] <kklimonda_> people have to be given a chance to test it before LTS
[23:03] <lcb> yofel, no synaptics running, no apt nothing
[23:03] <yofel> lcb: I've seen that error in bug reports, and I'm totally clueless what debconf is trying to say there...
[23:03] <yofel> lcb: hm, what does 'sudo lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat' say?
[23:03] <Lars___> hello if you dont like unity you can test snowlinux
totaly
[23:03] <lcb> yofel, just on second run. first time i used a couple minutes ago was fine
[23:03] <Lars___> its my linux based on latest ubuntudistro
[23:03] <Lars___> but with ordinary desktop
[23:04] <yofel> well, don't ask me, I'm clueless when it comes to that error. lsof should at least tell you what process is locking it though
[23:04] <lcb> yofel, lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/lcb/.gvf ...
[23:04] <lcb> ... frontend 3510 root    4uW  REG    8,1    54307 8597 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[23:05] <taneli> jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd
[23:05] <taneli> what do
[23:05] <lcb> yofel, if this is for debugging i'll pastbin. if not i'll reboot and i guess that thing would be gone
[23:06] <Deithrian> there we go another compiz crash
[23:06] <Deithrian> oh look
[23:06] <lcb> Deithrian, compiz with no addons?
[23:06] <yofel> lcb: I'm too sleepy for debugging, just reboot
[23:06] <Deithrian> what addons?!
[23:06] <lcb> yofel,  :)
[23:07] <lcb> Deithrian, compiz as it is on unity?
[23:07] <Deithrian> when it crashes i have only "File" as a menu for all apps
[23:07] <Deithrian> yes
[23:07] <Deithrian> and the only option is Close from that menu
[23:07] <Deithrian> can't minimize maximize apps
[23:07] <lcb> Deithrian, i never had compiz crashes (running 1 fresh install, 1 upgrade from 10.10 and 1 server
[23:08] <Deithrian> and right now i think i see the unity sidebar showing behind all the apps
[23:08] <Deithrian> lcb lucky you O-O
[23:08] <Deithrian> yep unity sidebar is showing behind all the apps when i click the start button
[23:08] <Deithrian> and the apps are borderless
[23:09] <lcb> Deithrian, sure... this is very subjective; no distro has same behavior on different hardwares
[23:09] <Deithrian> lcb there are plenty of bug reports about this crash o-o
[23:09] <Deithrian> otherwise i love Natty all my hardware works as it should
[23:10] <lcb> Deithrian, as i said... running 3 nattys and no compiz errors
[23:11] <Deithrian> is there alt+f4 command for ubuntu to close programs lol?
[23:11] <lcb> about your talk, regarding natty. this is not final release so there is (immo) no complains to make, yet
[23:12] <lcb> Deithrian, yes, there is. try it here :p
[23:12] <Deithrian> lcb look, if people like to use it thats great, i need something that can handle 5 different apps running at the same time and i should be able to switch between them fast
[23:12] <sadpanda2> arrgh every time i have to go throug hthe dash to open an app
[23:13] <sadpanda2> i rage
[23:13] <Deithrian> this interface is for people who open their e-mail thats all they do
[23:13] <sadpanda2> this is so freaking useless
[23:13] <lcb> Deithrian, how about installing that gnome-panel while natty is not final?
[23:14] <lcb> not installing... i mean activating it
[23:14] <sadpanda2> the dash
[23:14] <sadpanda2> looks like a really bad rip
[23:14] <sadpanda2> of the widnows start menue
[23:14] <sadpanda2> *menu
[23:14] <Deithrian> lcb because i think that 1 original gnome will not be supported as all effort will go to Unity, and 2 i think they will break gnome because of that in order to make Unity work
[23:14] <Deithrian> *well
[23:15] <sadpanda2> i guess we'll find out in a month
[23:15] <sadpanda2> wont we?
[23:15] <penguin42> Deithrian: And then the gnome3 guys are off trying to make that work - the saving grave is that so much doesn't have working 3d drivers something has to work on those - that maybe unity2d however
[23:16] <sadpanda2> its too bad kde is still crap
[23:16] <bazhang> not really topical for this channel
[23:16] <Deithrian> true sorry o-o i'm off installing xubuntu
[23:16] <lcb> Deithrian, do you know any distro so updated as ubuntu is? (forget about the interface, that you can change for your own taste, even under unity)
[23:17] <yofel> bazhang: how is discussing unity OT?
[23:17] <Deithrian> IF i can find a way to close Xchat and Opera to get to the bloody unity interface so i can start unetbootin LOL
[23:17] <bazhang> yofel, no the part about kde being crap
[23:17] <penguin42> sadpanda2: I've actually switched to KDE on this machine; it's almost there for me
[23:17] <yofel> ah, agreed on that
[23:18] <bazhang> sorry for the confusion, tab complete is my friend
[23:18] <penguin42> now if I could only get them to take my patch....
[23:18] <Deithrian> lcb as i said I LOVE Natty :) my Satellite tv works, my surround sound works, dual monitors work, but that interface is simply bluntly crap :)
[23:18] <lcb> Deithrian, gnome-panel :P
[23:18] <yofel> lcb: ubuntu classic :P
[23:18] <lcb> that 2
[23:19] <Deithrian> or Xubuntu ;) i will test Xubuntu to see if i still get 1gb mem usage
[23:19] <lcb> or DSL
[23:19] <lcb> i like to drive my ferrari with no fiat 600 doors though
[23:19] <Deithrian> now guys how can i close this crashed Compiz :( all my apps have 1 menu "File" and under it there is "Close" which is not even active :*
[23:20] <Deithrian> reboot? o-o
[23:20] <Deithrian> OH it came to the Windows Fix O_O ha haaa
[23:20] <sadpanda2> ima go boot windows peace
[23:20] <yofel> logging out should be enough...
[23:21] <lcb> Deithrian, $ top and check the pid. kill it
[23:21] <yofel> we're still at a stage where killing X should probably fix most issues without a reboot, even if they disabled ctrl+alt+backspace ^^ (those were days...)
[23:22] <penguin42> yofel: Doesn't seem to on some of the Radeon issues I keep triggering; it breaks it really well
[23:27] <yofel> penguin42: true, same for my GPU lockups with nouveau..
[23:29] <LuizCB> Net and Split just made a visit to Freenod. Long time don't see them.
[23:39] <slyrus> the startup sound is too loud!
[23:42] <arand> slyrus: As has been the case for a loong time...
[23:42] <lcb> slyrus, $ gnome-volume-control  | play with it :)
[23:45] <slyrus> ok, thanks lcb
[23:48] <nerdy_kid> hi everyone, for some reason banshee wont detect some new plugins I installed.  any idea why this would be so?
[23:50] <lcb> slyrus, a couple of ideas of changing system sounds here -> http://myubuntublog.wordpress.com/category/natty/
[23:51] <slyrus> otherwise, the sound volume is fine (and works, out of the box on this hw, unlike maverick -- yay!) but that startup sound is just too loud.
[23:52] <lcb> not sure how to do it but for sure there is a way of editing that sound file and lowering the volume
[23:57] <phibxr> What is the purpose of the backlight in Unity? The colors seem quite random to me.