[21:56] <Jezekus> Why the script at @reboot in crontab can't determine ip adress of the PC?
[21:56] <linuxguy2009> SETKEH: There is a Firefox fix when you set a custom specificed DNS server.
[21:56] <linuxguy2009> SETKEH: No clue at all why its needed.
[21:57] <blazon> Jezekus can you be more specific?
[21:57] <iceroot> Jezekus: wifi?
[21:57] <blazon> havce you looked through error logs?
[21:57] <asdfa> dont leave me hanging now^^
[21:57] <SETKEH> linuxguy2009: If I sit in lounge room it gos ok but in the bedroom it sux but win7 works wikkid
[21:57] <Gabs> aha I was disconnected - wondered why it went so quiet in here
[21:57] <^workman^> Arsanerit: what does /var/log/secure show on remote host, when you get an error? have you tried running a remote host in debug mode for awhile?
[21:58] <Jezekus> blazon: yes I have script which greps out IP of the PC from ifconfig and mail it to me, but when I run it using crontab IP field is blank
[21:58] <linuxguy2009> Seito: System-> Preferences->Keyboard shortcuts. Try manually setting them up.
[21:58] <Jezekus> iceroot: no metal
[21:58] <iceroot> Jezekus: what?
[21:58] <SETKEH> linuxguy2009:  might try the ff fix lol
[21:58] <linuxguy2009> SETKEH: Yeah I know what you mean. 9.10 is half baked.
[21:59] <Seito>  <linuxguy2009> ok, but what will be then with my on-board keyboard (on laptop). is there other way of setting/remapping keys?
[21:59] <Jezekus> iceroot: you asked if it's wifi, so saying it's metalic ethernet (100Mbit)
[21:59] <^workman^> Arsanerit: run sshd on the host that is giving you flack, and pipe the debug output to tee to log it. Then watch over a period of time to see what's happening
[21:59] <SETKEH> linuxguy2009: Hmm that's very un ubuntu like lol
[21:59] <iceroot> Jezekus: wired, you mean
[21:59] <Gabs> well thanks for trying to help all. gotta go.
[21:59] <linuxguy2009> Seito: Does your onboard keyboard have the same keys?
[22:00] <iceroot> Jezekus: using dhcp? or static ip? if using dhcp, at @reboot there should be no adresse, because eth is coming up later with dhcp
[22:00] <Jezekus> iceroot: wired, I wanted to be specific, sorry
[22:00] <linuxguy2009> Seito: Just try it, they will either work or not.
[22:00] <Seito>  <linuxguy2009>no, it's different. my laptop is hp
[22:00] <Rascal911>  i think I've got a semi-serious problem with kernel (or lack of) it seems to do this with anything I try and install etc -- http://pastebin.com/m435963d9
[22:00] <Arsanerit> ^workman^: I have no root-access on the server (ubuntu karmic koala) at which I am trying to run evince and get it forwarded to my place (kubuntu hardy, didn't upgrade yet because I don't like the new KDE)
[22:00] <Jezekus> iceroot: using DHCP, but I added sleep 600s but it didn't help
[22:00] <chelz> is there any way to download updates but not install them? just so i don't have to download them later but i don't want to install them now
[22:01] <iceroot> Jezekus: maybe use ifup in your script before
[22:01] <Jezekus> iceroot: in loop ok, I'll try
[22:01] <linuxguy2009> Rascal911: Checked for broken packages?
[22:02] <Slart> chelz: have a look at some of the apt-proxy stuff available
[22:02] <iceroot> chelz: -d
[22:02] <iceroot> chelz: man apt-get
[22:02] <Seito>  <linuxguy2009>in fact I press "fn+f10" which ment to be volume down button but it puts into shortcut only f10 key
[22:03] <chelz> iceroot: awesome! ty
[22:03] <linuxguy2009> Seito: Did you press them at the same time?
[22:03] <Seito>  <linuxguy2009>hid-apple module loaded
[22:03] <blazon> Seito is your keyboard mapped properly?
[22:03] <Rascal911> linuxguy2009, yeah fixed
[22:03] <Seito>  <linuxguy2009>yes
[22:04] <mkquist_> is 9.10 still in beta?
[22:04] <blazon> no
[22:04] <lzrdking> but its buggy
[22:04] <linuxguy2009> Rascal911: Problem solved? Good to go?
[22:04] <mkquist_> didnt think so
[22:04] <ruffus910> 9.10 is a stable release, but in name only
[22:04] <asdfa> mkquist dont update!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:04] <iceroot> mkquist_: no
[22:04] <blazon> i have 9.10 server running a huge load
seems to be yes, because other keys working properly and in fact I'm writing using it
[22:04] <blazon> with 0 problems
[22:04] <lzrdking> yeah, stay with jaunty
[22:04] <asdfa> 9.10 REALY sucks
[22:04] <blazon> Seito but dose your fn key function
[22:04] <mistergibson> seems to work well here
[22:04] <linuxguy2009> asdfa: I agree.
nope
[22:05] <ruffus910> 9.10 is quite bad
[22:05] <ruffus910> im gonna wait till 10.04
[22:05] <linuxguy2009> I dont like 9.10 one bit.
[22:05] <lzrdking> there is no easy way to go back, either
[22:05] <mkquist_> asdfa: too late for that
[22:05] <ruffus910> cuz its a LTS
[22:05] <mkquist_> lotsof problems huh
[22:05] <Rascal911> linuxguy2009, yes, but I still have a problem with vbox which i have taken up with the guys in that channel... Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)
[22:05] <Rascal911> Please install the virtualbox-ose-source package.
[22:05] <^workman^> arsanerit: try ssh -v1-4 for debug on the client side then
[22:06] <linuxguy2009> 10.04 LTS better be good and stable by 10.04.1 or Im jumping ship for another distro.
[22:06] <pankaj> hello
[22:06] <asdfa> mkquist i recommend waiting till 10.4 and install 9.4 then
[22:06] <pankaj> a quick urgent question: how do i become root in ubuntu?
[22:06] <ruffus910> linixguy: I agree if it doesnt work, im heading towards Fedora
[22:06] <linuxguy2009> Rascal911: Simply reinstall vbox and itll install the kernel stuff.
[22:06] <Rascal911> pankaj, sudo su
[22:06] <pankaj> thanks
[22:06] <oorah> is it possible to burn a .rar file to a disc to be bootable?
[22:06] <mkquist_> like i said little late
[22:06] <TheCheeze> !root pankaj
[22:06] <Rascal911> linuxguy2009, I've done that
[22:06] <blazon> Ubuntu is too bleeding edge, there life cycle is way to short...
[22:06] <blekos> hello, i am not allowd to installed any applications through software center how can i make/grant my user admin privileges?
[22:07] <blazon> you should have known that 10 version ago
[22:07] <linuxguy2009> Rascal911: Did you install from repo or download?
[22:07] <TheCheeze> !root | pankaj
[22:07] <Rascal911> linuxguy2009, sudo aptitude remove virtualbox-ose
[22:07] <ikonia> blazon: put him in the admin group
[22:07] <Rascal911> linuxguy2009, repo
do you think if fn key will work properly then multimedia keys will work? but then how to make it work (fn key)?
[22:07] <ae86-drifter> im stuck at 0% [Connecting to au.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]!!!
[22:07] <Fizix> blazon, for people where that's a problem, they do offer LTS, Long-Term, uhh, Something. I think they support those versions for 3 years
[22:07] <linuxguy2009> Rascal911: One in the downloads are newer and usually much better. Plus they have USB support.
[22:07] <linuxguy2009> LTS are supported for 2 years
[22:07] <TheCheeze> oorah, with rar being a proprietary format, it is not able to be "booted to"
[22:08] <TheCheeze> oorah, it is just a container
[22:08] <blazon> Fizix, 3 years is still insanley short, compared to other enterprise distro's
[22:08] <oorah> TheCheeze, thanks
[22:08] <blazon> like CentOS
[22:08] <laclasse> linuxguy2009, nope
[22:08] <ae86-drifter> hi, when i try and apt-get upgrade or even install something i get stuck at 0% [Connecting to au.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[22:08] <laclasse> LTS is 3 years desktop, 5 years server
[22:08] <ruffus910> im excited for the LTS
[22:08] <Jezekus> iceroot: maybe I ask stupid but how to use ifup in script?
[22:08] <ae86-drifter> i have 64 bit karmic server edition
[22:08] <linuxguy2009> I read somewhere that once 10.04 comes out there will be no more put into 8.04.
[22:08] <iceroot> Jezekus: ifup eth0
[22:09] <oorah> TheCheeze, how do i unrar?
[22:09] <blazon> ifup <nic>
[22:09] <ikonia> linuxguy2009: nothing is really put into 8.04 now apart from bug fixes, however it will still be supported for years after 10.04 is released
[22:09] <iceroot> oorah: unrar file
[22:09] <laclasse> linuxguy2009, no true either. When 10.04 comes out, 8.04 will have one more year of Desktop support, 3 more of server support
[22:09] <linuxguy2009> oorah: restricted extras installed and then use fileroller
[22:09] <TheCheeze> oorah, sudo apt-get unrar will make package manager able to unrar
[22:09] <ae86-drifter> when 11.04 comes out 8.04 will be unsupported
[22:09] <Jezekus> iceroot: I thought it returns something but it writes an ughly sentence :-( so what with it?
[22:10] <iceroot> Jezekus: post it on pastebin
[22:10] <laclasse> its easy: one new release of Ubuntu every 6 months, one new LTS (Long Term Support) every 2 years, supported for 3/5 years each. Normal releases are supported for 18 months
[22:10] <Jezekus> ok
[22:10] <ae86-drifter> ie 8.04 > 11.04 = 3yrs
[22:10] <ruffus910> laclasse: its easy, but very short
[22:10] <oorah> laclasse, i thought normal release support ended when the new release launches
[22:10] <ruffus910> especially for people who dont code or tweak
[22:10] <laclasse> ruffus910, the 18 months is short, or 3 years desktop ?
[22:11] <ruffus910> 6 months between releases is short
[22:11] <Jezekus> iceroot: http://pastebin.org/62894
[22:11] <laclasse> oorah, nope
[22:11] <linuxguy2009> Yeah but the only problem is that Ubuntu keeps spitting out new broken releases.
[22:11] <arghh2d2> wow mafmatics!
[22:11] <lzrdking> 3 years is short
[22:11] <oorah> TheCheeze, how do i know what the name of the folder is that is needed to unrar?
[22:11] <lzrdking> 18 months is shorter
[22:11] <ruffus910> they push too much new stuff in, but dont fix the old stuff
[22:11] <ruffus910> the LTS has a good cycle
[22:12] <linuxguy2009> lzrdking: Well if you want to wait longer to update then go Windows and wait 5 years.
[22:12] <arghh2d2> ruffus910: yeah, yes what you said, correct
[22:12] <linuxguy2009> hehe
[22:12] <lzrdking> look at MS, they just stopped supporting XP after nearly 10 years
[22:12] <laclasse> ruffus910, yeah sure, what canonical tried to do is to balance between new technology releases (every 6 months) and support an active desktop community, as well as Enterprise with a release every 2 years supported for 3/5
[22:12] <iceroot> Jezekus: ifup eth0 && the next command
[22:12] <laclasse> when a distro is older than 6 months it feels 'old' on the desktop
[22:12] <ohday> _A lot_ of work needs to be done with BCM
[22:12] <Mnemonic^> Does anyone know what editor/tool to program C++ in for Linux
[22:12] <ruffus910> yes, im glad theyre innovating, but every time a new one comes out, the same stuff is broken
[22:12]  * lzrdking us using slackware 2.0
[22:12] <iceroot> Jezekus: command1 && command2 || command 3    command2 will run if command1 was successfull, else command3 will be run
[22:13] <iceroot> Mnemonic^: vim
[22:13] <oorah> how do i find the name of a folder? for commands i mean
[22:13] <TheCheeze> oorah, depends on the rar. but you usually just pull everything out of it
[22:13] <mkquist_> why is 9.10 using a betaof grub?
[22:13] <ruffus910> the LTS's are the releases that are going to bring people into the fold
[22:13] <lzrdking> actually, i started on Slackware, i probably still have the HDD somewhere
[22:13] <linuxguy2009> ruffus910: I highly agree and cant wait for 10.04 LTS Im sticking with it for the whole 2 years this time.
[22:13] <Mnemonic^> iceroot, Is there no smart editor to suggest the right commands and stuff?
[22:13] <iceroot> Mnemonic^: vim
[22:14] <Mnemonic^> iceroot, vim does not suggest anything
[22:14] <iceroot> Mnemonic^: but maybe you want something like kdevelop or code::blocks
[22:14] <ruffus910> problem is, alot of people who want to be "just users" are updating every six months and are getting put off
[22:14] <blazon> IDE's are shit anyway
[22:14] <blazon> just use a text editor
[22:14] <iceroot> Mnemonic^: of course, vim can do auto-complete and many many many many many many things more
[22:14] <ruffus910> I want things to just work
[22:14] <Mnemonic^> iceroot, yes that was what I was looking fore.
[22:14] <ruffus910> thats why im waiting for 10.04
[22:15] <ruffus910> im learning code now
[22:15] <Mnemonic^> iceroot, how do you use autocomplete in vim?
 any ideas where to dig?
[22:15] <Amivit> I have an unusual question. I got myself a "My Passport" from Western digital, which contains a VCD (virtual cd-drive) to mount their software called Smartware. Is there any way to edit this normally only read-notwritable drive so I can put custom software on it? Somewhat like you could with the u3 cruzer?
[22:15] <ruffus910> but im not a programmer yet
[22:15] <ohday> ruffus910, Want to become one?
[22:15] <linuxguy2009> Im in a crappy position with my Dell Inspiron Mini 10v netbook. 8.04.3 is too old to run the sound and wireless. 9.04 runs perfect. 9.10 is awful on everything. 10.04 LTS aint out yet.
[22:15] <Amivit> Reason being is because I want truecrypt on that VCD but have no idea on how to modify that VCD.
[22:15] <iceroot> Mnemonic^: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/C-editing-with-VIM-HOWTO/auto-complete.html
[22:15] <Mnemonic^> iceroot, Thanks
[22:15] <Tiders> In Karmic...  It sucks big time/
[22:16] <Tiders> linuxguy2009, Any fixes or workarounds?
[22:16] <blazon> a new sound card
[22:16] <blazon> :P
[22:16] <lzrdking> stop using pulseaudio
[22:17] <ruffus910> ohday: programmer skills would let me get the most out of Linux. patience for compiling too.
[22:17] <linuxguy2009> Tiders: remove pulseaudio and use alsamixer CLI or gnome-alsamixer as replacements for the loss of the panel sound volume control that you will lose. Sucks I know.
[22:17] <iceroot> Mnemonic^: hm there are better ways then descriped in that link
[22:17] <Scunizi> Tiders: that was pretty much a no help statement.. pulseaudio works for lots of people.. not sure how to do it but you should verify that the right driver for your sound card is being used..
[22:17] <iceroot> Mnemonic^: try some searching too, to see how much power vim has
[22:18] <lzrdking> control panel in karmic sucks, too, jaunty's was better; let you pick what sound system to use
[22:18] <Mnemonic^> iceroot, ok
[22:18] <ae86-drifter> what would be the minimum i need to install on my server edition 9.10 to enable X11 forwarding?
[22:18] <linuxguy2009> Scunizi: Pulseaudio doesnt work for anyone I know. hehe
[22:18] <iceroot> Mnemonic^: there is also a video-collection for using vim, called vum tutor. its great to see the power of vim explained in a video
[22:18] <mkquist_> has anyone got 9.10 working?
[22:18] <ruffus910> What I like about LTS is that they are usually big-fix focused
[22:18] <SwedeMike> mkquist_: yes.
[22:18] <mkquist_> ok
[22:19] <chelz> ae86-drifter: sudo apt-get install xauth
[22:19] <Slart> linuxguy2009: works for me
[22:19] <ruffus910> bug-fix*
[22:19] <iceroot> !ot | ruffus910
[22:19] <Slart> linuxguy2009: sorry for breaking your perfect score ;)
[22:19] <linuxguy2009> ruffus910: Yeah LTS point releases are awsome. Its like getting a service pack updated version.
[22:19] <ohday> ruffus910, This is your only motivation? interesting, a pure linux hobbyist.
[22:19] <ae86-drifter> chelz, thanks
[22:19] <linuxguy2009> Slart: Hey Im glad it works for somebody.
[22:19] <chelz> ae86-drifter: np gl
[22:21] <ae86-drifter> i need a graphical tool, alternative to nano over ssh to edit text files
[22:21] <eremite> Sometimes I lose sound in video games.  Trying to play AssaultCube and it has no sound.  Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt. Anyone got a fix or know what might be the problem? On karmic, compiz disabled.  No sound in AssaultCube, but on the odd occasion it works.
[22:21] <linuxguy2009> ae86-drifter: search the repos.
[22:21] <iceroot> ae86-drifter: dont use a gui-editor on a server, forwarding with ssh
[22:21] <iceroot> ae86-drifter: use vim
[22:22] <linuxguy2009> eremite: Yet another pulseaudio victim.
[22:22] <ae86-drifter> iceroot, ok thanks, ill look it up
[22:22] <Slart> ae86-drifter: I've tried running stuff like gedit over my home LAN.. it always feels.. laggy.. but it works.. not sure what the minimal requirements are though
[22:22] <raul_> I have installed Flash plugin, but I still cannot watch videos on youtube. What should I do?
[22:22] <ae86-drifter> ive got pretty fast PCs with gigabit lan so it should be ok
[22:22] <eremite> linuxguy2000: can you elaborate?  I have a new problem with karmic every day.  It's driving me nuts.
[22:22] <iceroot> restart firefox
[22:22] <linuxguy2009> eremite: remove pulseaudio and use alsamixer CLI or gnome-alsamixer as replacements for the loss of the panel sound volume control that you will lose. Sucks I know.
[22:22] <iceroot> raul_: restart firefox
[22:22] <Slart> ae86-drifter: but if all you need to do is edit files.. why not use nfs or sshfs to get to the files directly from your desktop..
[22:23] <chelz> ae86-drifter: vim and emacs are the best editors
[22:23] <BluesKaj> eremite, yeah dump pulseaudio , try your games etc without it , if it's worse then reinstall ,but mostlikely PA is the culprit especially if you have a pci soundcard
[22:23] <chelz> Slart: that's a good idea. ae86-drifter sshfs is really nice.
[22:23] <lzrdking> if PA is so bad, why is in there?
[22:23] <linuxguy2009> I know not everyone will agree that I tell folks to remove pulse but its the only solution to a broken system right now.
[22:23] <ae86-drifter> oh ok sshfs... that sounds good, i know there are many possible solutions, i will research them, thanks very much for suggestions
[22:23] <Slart> lzrdking: because it offers some nice features.. and it actually work for some people out there
[22:24] <iceroot> ae86-drifter: do the right way, learn vim
[22:24] <Slart> *s
[22:24] <BluesKaj> lzrdking, it works on some onboard cards
[22:24] <lzrdking> slart, what nice features?
[22:24] <eremite> Karmic is a broken system.  Too many bugs.  I might have to switch to another distro like Fedora or even Windows 7 until all of these bugs are fixed.
[22:24] <linuxguy2009> ALSA is so much better
[22:24] <lzrdking> BluesKaj: the ones ALSA or OSS do not work on?
[22:24] <ae86-drifter> vim, sshfs, differences...advantages?
[22:24] <raul_> iceroot I restarted it, but it still doesn't work
[22:24] <kain_> hi all, how do i mount a partition permanently with the fstab file?
[22:24] <linuxguy2009> eremite: Many agree with you and are thinking the same. Your not alone.
[22:24] <iceroot> raul_: how you installed it?
[22:25] <Slart> lzrdking: separate volume controls for different apps.. ability to move sound from one sound card to another.. and I think the major thing is that it can be transported over network.. great for thin clients and such
[22:25] <maco> linuxguy2009: its not like alsa goes away when you use pulse. you still need a driver :P
[22:25] <lzrdking> eremite: try 9.04
[22:25] <morphix> Can someone assist me, i currently have linux software raid-1 on 2 drives and i have 5 partitions, i need to (technically six, if you class the 4th 'extended' partition).
[22:25] <raul_> iceroot I downloaded the file deb from Adobe's website,
[22:25] <morphix> I need to resize all of the partitions to make them larger
[22:25] <linuxguy2009> maco: Are you not aware of the volume control removal that they did in karmic and the whole pulseaudio crap?
[22:25] <hero_> galera
[22:25] <iceroot> raul_: remove it and use sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[22:25] <hero_> tem algum br ai:
[22:25] <BluesKaj> lzrdking, alsa and PA aren't mutually exclusive , PA is a sound server and alsa is a kernel source driver and soundserver as well
[22:25] <morphix> and they use ext3 except for 1 which is swap
[22:26] <iceroot> raul_: use the one from the repos
[22:26] <Slart> linuxguy2009: just fyi.. pulseaudio is a layer above alsa.. they are not alternatives
[22:26] <morphix> can someone assist me.
[22:26] <linuxguy2009> maco: Like I said straight ALSA is so much better.
[22:26] <maco> linuxguy2009: since i live with the audio maintainer, yes
[22:26] <Jezekus> iceroot: ok so problem still remains :-( i have ifup %% parsing && break || sleep 20s but email is empty when rebooted. It's ok when runned after boot
[22:26] <lzrdking> how about eSounD
[22:26] <linuxguy2009> I really dont care. All I know is one works and one sucks hardcore.
[22:26] <morpeth> I have a question; when I change something (say, listening port) in sshd_config the changes don't apply when I restart the service (or restart the machine). Anyone have any idea why this might be?
[22:26] <maco> lzrdking: pulse is an alternative to esound
[22:26] <BluesKaj> lzrdking, PA needs a kernel source driver to work
[22:26] <maco> linuxguy2009: that's highly variable by hardware and usecase
[22:26] <Jezekus> iceroot: typo %% should be &&
[22:26] <lzrdking> maco: but esound works:0
[22:26] <lzrdking> :)
[22:26] <raul_> could tell me how to remove it?
[22:26] <maco> lzrdking: but gnome has switched to pulse
[22:26] <raul_> iceroot could tell me how to remove it?
[22:27] <Slart> lzrdking: I don't think esound has the network features that pulseaudio has.. not sure though.. haven't used esound that much
[22:27] <iceroot> Jezekus: && break || sleep? what
[22:27] <linuxguy2009> I dont remeber seeing a gnome-esoundmixer hehe
[22:27] <mattgyver> When I accidently click conky on 9.10 it closes, does anyone know how to fix that?
[22:27] <iceroot> raul_: use synaptic and search for it or use sudo apt-get remove packagename
[22:27] <Jezekus> iceroot: I run it in while loop
[22:27] <iceroot> Jezekus: dont use a loop
[22:27] <eremite> when opening conky with the terminal, add -d to the end of it $conky -d
[22:27] <emilLM25> hi, I have problem gettiing my wacom intous3 tablet working in ubuntu 9.10 ppc.. tried some of the stuff here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom without any success, and the "xinput --list" command shows no tablet.. (I'm really eager to try out myPaint)
[22:27] <Slart> mattgyver: find out why it closes... it crashes? or it's some kind of button thing?
[22:27] <hero_> hi
[22:28] <Jezekus> iceroot: so how?
[22:28] <Slart> hello hero_
[22:28] <hero_> i want to access the comunity of brazilian
[22:28] <raul_> iceroot thanks
[22:28] <Slart> !br | hero_
[22:28] <ae86-drifter> is anybody else getting stuck at 0% [Connecting to au.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)] ?
[22:28] <iceroot> Jezekus: ifup eth0 && parsing && sending mail
[22:28] <hero_> i have one problem to connet the internet
[22:28] <hero_> with ubuntu 9.1
[22:28] <Slart> ae86-drifter: try another mirror.. see if that helps
[22:28] <lzrdking> can anyone point me to docs detailing setting up a Dell AIO Scanner?
[22:28] <Jezekus> iceroot: and if there is no IP?
[22:28] <hero_> but the last version i can
[22:28] <eremite> hero_: google "Brazilian IRC"
[22:28] <ae86-drifter> Slart, yeah i will later i have to edit my sources
[22:28] <hero_> #ubuntu-br
[22:28] <kain_> what is the command to open a file from terminal and still be able to write in terminal while the file is open?
[22:29] <Slart> hero_: type    /join #ubuntu-br
[22:29] <Gwince> kain_:  vi?
[22:29] <linuxguy2009> kain_: sudo nano?
[22:29] <Gwince> Oh
[22:29] <lzrdking> kain_:  end the command with &
[22:29] <Slart> kain_: gedit yourfile &
[22:29] <Gwince> My bad
[22:29] <hero_> connect #ubuntu-br
[22:29] <eremite> kain_: ./filename
[22:29] <kain_> thx
[22:29] <Amivit> TOPIC: Secure data-deletion. Is a single pass of pseudorandom data sufficient enough in order to prevent recovery of deleted files by software that is aquirable by "normal-people" ?
[22:29] <Gwince> that's the one... Use the &
[22:29] <lzrdking> Amivit: rm is enough for "normal people"
[22:29] <Slart> Amivit: yes
[22:29] <Oblat> Hi is there another application similar to svn up?
[22:29] <chelz> Amivit: one pass random and one pass zeroes. look into shred.
[22:30] <LjL> Amivit: that's not very on-topic for this channel, try #ubuntu-offtopic or ##security
[22:30] <lzrdking> i mean, who is going to forensiccally scan a disk to begin with?
[22:30] <iceroot> Jezekus: should be ifup && parsing; sending mail with success message || sending message with fail message
[22:30] <lzrdking> forensically
[22:31] <iceroot> Oblat: you want another svn client? or another version-client?
[22:31] <Oblat> Svn up is not working for me
[22:31] <iceroot> Oblat: version-system i mean
[22:31] <Amivit> Thanks for the reply, sorry for being off-topic! I'll stick with single-pass then :)
[22:31] <LjL> Amivit: as for tools to secure erase data on ubuntu, look into "shred" (installed by default) and the packages "wipe" and "secure-delete". read the man-pages carefully, especially 'wipe' about journalling filesystems
[22:31] <iceroot> !doesntwork | Oblat
[22:31] <lzrdking> i don't work
[22:31] <Oblat> Sorry let me elaborate
[22:31] <Amivit> LjL: Thanks for the tip, I'll look into shred.
[22:31] <Oblat> svn up gives me an error
[22:31] <ae86-drifter> its only vim
[22:32] <iceroot> Oblat: #svn
[22:32] <Jezekus> iceroot: Why I can't check in a loop until there is one?
[22:32] <Oblat> svn: This client is too old to work with working copy 'npc'. You need to get a newer Subversion client, or to downgrade this working copy. See http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#working-copy-format-change for details.
[22:32] <chelz> Oblat: sounds like you need a newer version.
[22:32] <Oblat> I tried doing apt-get update and upgrade didn't work
[22:32] <Oblat> On the user root
[22:33] <iceroot> Oblat: #svn
[22:33] <surlo> Hello there. I experience some issues while I am trieing to install World of Warcraft. After I installed it at C:/programFIles/World of Warcraft succesfully , I cant find this folder
[22:33] <iceroot> Jezekus: hm, whether there is an ip or not
[22:33] <lzrdking> can anyone point me to a document detailing setting up a dell AIO scanner in jaunty?
[22:33] <Slart> surlo: using wine?
[22:34] <iceroot> Jezekus: ifup eth0 is waiting until there is an ip or wait while its failing
[22:34] <surlo> Slart: yeah I used wine
[22:34] <ae86-drifter> i dont like vim, i prefer nano
[22:34] <iceroot> !xsane | lzrdking
[22:34] <iceroot> ae86-drifter: then use nano
[22:34] <Slart> surlo: you can ask in #winehq or check the application database.. http://appdb.winehq.org
[22:34] <chelz> surlo: there should be an icon on your desktop
[22:34] <Jezekus> iceroot: there is dhcp and sometimes it's horibly slow so IP will come but nobody knows how fast
[22:34] <iceroot> ae86-drifter: or learn vim, then you dont like nano any more
[22:34] <Oblat> Is there another svn for ubuntu?
[22:34] <Oblat> similar to svn up
[22:34] <lzrdking> xsane sounds like a starting place, thanks
[22:34] <Slart> surlo: the folder is probably in ~/.wine/drive_c/ something
[22:35] <iceroot> Jezekus: and ifup is waiting
[22:35] <chelz> surlo: or look in Application -> Wine -> Programs
[22:35] <ae86-drifter> has vim got more features...
[22:35] <ikonia> Oblat: svn up is a command
[22:35] <ZykoticK9> surlo, check in ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files
[22:35] <Jezekus> iceroot: oh didn't know that
[22:35] <Oblat> I mean something that does something similar to the command
[22:35] <iceroot> ae86-drifter: vim is the most powerfill editor in the world (together with emacs)
[22:35] <ae86-drifter> i just wish nano had a line no indication
[22:35] <Oblat> something simple for ubuntu
[22:35] <ikonia> Oblat: svn is a command/toolset - something similar wouldn't be svn
[22:35] <chelz> ae86-drifter: vim and emacs are incredibly powerful editors but with steep learning curves. the average user needing a terminal editor would probably stick with nano. learning vim or emacs is a good thing to do tho.
[22:35] <ikonia> Oblat: there is cvs - but that's not compatible with svn repos, only cvs repos
[22:36] <iceroot> Oblat: again, #svn
[22:36] <ae86-drifter> ok thanks, i will try it
[22:36] <Oblat> There should be another subversion
[22:36] <raul_> iceroot I installed the flash plugin as you said, but I still cannot watch videos on youtube
[22:36] <surlo> yeah, right. I found where its installed. Though...when I am trying to launch it , I launch it , I pree ''play'' and then I get an error :S
[22:36] <ikonia> Oblat: why - just learn to use subversion
[22:36] <Oblat> iceroot that channel is dead
[22:36] <surlo> press*
[22:36] <chelz> Oblat: you need to get a later version. if there isn't one in the official repos then you need to find a way to get a newer version.
[22:36] <ae86-drifter> im using it to write php
[22:36] <iceroot> raul_: what ubuntu-version?
[22:36] <Oblat> i already tried by doing apt-get upgrade and update
[22:37] <raul_> iceroot 8.10
[22:37] <chelz> ae86-drifter: you might try asking some people you already know who are writing php on linux to see what editors they use. a gui editor might be a lot easier for you.
[22:37] <iceroot> raul_: hm
[22:37] <ikonia> Oblat: apt-get is nothing to do with subversion, what problem are you having ?
[22:37] <wrb1234> is arno-iptables-firewall the package name for iptables
[22:37] <ae86-drifter> my co-workers use netbeans
[22:37] <Slart> !info arno-iptables-firewall
[22:37] <chelz> Oblat: those only connect to the official repos. you need to get a later version. if there isn't one in the official repos then you need to find a way to get a newer version.
[22:37] <raul_> iceroot just a minute... I will try something...
[22:37] <Slart> wrb1234: nope
[22:37] <lzrdking> GAHH! looks like i'm screwed, as the two Dell scanners are listed at not supported and not working
[22:37] <Oblat> I want to update the svn of my files by doing svn up but I need to find some other way of doing it since svn up is not working
[22:37] <ae86-drifter> but im doing a differnt project and i have a dedicated server i built running 9.10 server edition
[22:37] <chelz> ae86-drifter: i'd suggest looking around and trying many tools until you find one that fits how you work
[22:37] <Slart> wrb1234: I mean.. that's not the base package for iptables.. if that's what you're asking
[22:38] <ikonia> Oblat: which files ?
[22:38] <ZykoticK9> surlo, are you using "wine WoW.exe -opengl"
[22:38] <chelz> lzrdking: few things simply do not work, there's usually a lot of room for piecing things together
[22:38] <Oblat> game files from a svn
[22:38] <wrb1234> hmm
[22:38] <ikonia> Oblat: which game files, and which svn repo ?
[22:38] <chelz> surlo: what error, might put it into google
[22:38] <ae86-drifter> i have been using gedit and then uploading over ftp but its getting annoying with so much testing all the time
[22:39] <Oblat> eathena ragaron and I'm not sure what you mean by svn repo.
[22:39] <Oblat> ragnarok*
[22:39] <surlo> yeah
[22:39] <lzrdking> chelz: where to begin with piecing together my scanner?
[22:39] <chelz> ae86-drifter: sounds like sshfs would help a lot
[22:39] <wrb1234> ah okay, slart i just started an unmanaged vps and need to figure out what to do to get iptables up and secure my stuff
[22:39] <ikonia> Oblat: you have to be pointing at an svn repository to update
[22:39] <wrb1234> :P
[22:39] <Oblat> oh I just do svn up in the directory of my gaming files
[22:39] <chelz> lzrdking: http://everythinglinux.org/scanner/index.html
[22:39] <maco> ae86-drifter: i use vim locally but with scp, so i can edit a remote file. ":e scp://user@server:filetoedit"
[22:39] <iceroot> Oblat: you have used svn co before?
[22:39] <ikonia> Oblat: the files are stored in a repository, so to update from that repository you need to have your svn client configured to go to the right repositroty
[22:39] <ikonia> Oblat: read the basics on how svn works
[22:39] <iceroot> Oblat: then your svn client cant be to old
[22:39] <Oblat> http://svn.eathena.ws/svn/ea/trunk/
[22:39] <maco> ae86-drifter: when you save, its pushed to the server. between saves, it's in /tmp
[22:39] <ikonia> Oblat: it's not hard to use
[22:40] <Oblat> that is the repo
[22:40] <Oblat> http://svn.eathena.ws/svn/ea/trunk/
[22:40] <iceroot> Oblat: man svn co
[22:40] <Subby> Hi is there a possibility to get the mouse faster without using mouse acceleration?
[22:40] <Slart> wrb1234: hmm..iptables should be installed by default afaik.. regardless of what ubuntu version you're using
[22:40] <ikonia> Oblat: correct, that would be a repo
[22:40] <surlo> ohh okay I found what the problem is
[22:40] <Oblat> ok...
[22:40] <Subby> without it my mouse is so slow
[22:40] <wrb1234> how can i check?
[22:40] <Oblat> thanks for all the help so far
[22:40] <surlo> it opens with no failure now
[22:40] <maco> ae86-drifter: recommend using ssh keys if youre gonna do that though, else you have to enter your server password a lot
[22:40] <ikonia> Oblat: no problem
[22:40] <Oblat> so what should i do now?
[22:40] <ae86-drifter> maco, yeah sounds okay, why would that be better than simply sshing in, then running vim from the server??
[22:40] <Jezekus> iceroot: so rebooted and email is empty :-(
[22:40] <Dalila> ikea
[22:40] <Dalila> oops
[22:40] <Slart> wrb1234: try running "sudo iptables -L"
[22:40] <flaco> hi all... I installed karmic with windows and ubuntu 9.04 already installed...  the problem is with grub... grub does not show me the karmic installation.. how can I add to the options?
[22:40] <iceroot> Oblat: read a manual about svn, join #svn or use svn co
[22:41] <maco> ae86-drifter: less ssh lag to deal with, and for me... the servers i use have old versions of vim and no syntax highlighting
[22:41] <surlo> but I have another problem :P every time I open it , the resolution of my desktop changes
[22:41] <ae86-drifter> oh well i have full root access to the server so its okay...
[22:41] <Oblat> iceroot #svn is dead im in there that channel won't help and my problem is more particular with ubuntu and i have read and ask people about this problem and my friend told me to come to this channel
[22:41] <wrb1234> sudo: iptables: command not found (Slart)
[22:41] <ae86-drifter> and its on my local network
[22:42] <ikonia> Oblat: your problem is nothing to do with ubuntu - and the #subversion channel is not dead
[22:42] <iceroot> Oblat: its not a ubuntu-problem, its a problem about "you dont know how to use svn"
[22:42] <lzrdking> is sane the same as xsane?
[22:42] <ikonia> lzrdking: xsane is a gui
[22:42] <iceroot> Oblat: please read a manual about svn checkout
[22:42] <Slart> !info iptables | wrb1234
[22:42] <Slart> wrb1234: this one looks promising
[22:42] <pepso> hi. Unetbootin is showing 9.4live in ubuntu installation. Is there is any difference in live or loaded by ubuntu disk. I want to dual boot with xp. Xp is preinstalled. please help
[22:42] <Oblat> When my friend does svn up in his directory of game files it updates the files correctly but for me it gives me an error so it must be something with ubuntu
[22:42] <ikonia> Oblat: no - it's nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:42] <lzrdking> so do i need sane for xsane to work?
[22:42] <ikonia> Oblat: you have not set svn up as I told you
[22:43] <iceroot> Oblat: stop that here now please. this is ubuntu-support channel
[22:43] <ae86-drifter> ohh vim has syntax highlighting? awesome
[22:43] <Oblat> how do i set svn up correctly?
[22:43] <iceroot> ae86-drifter: sure
[22:43] <ikonia> Oblat: read the documentation on it, and discuss in #subversoin
[22:43] <ae86-drifter> i think i found a new friend
[22:43] <ikonia> Oblat: #subversion sorry
[22:43] <Oblat> I asked my question in #svn and they haven't responded in 5 minutes o.o
[22:43] <Subby> how can I fasten up my mouse without using mouse acceleration? it is so slow at the moment
[22:43] <ikonia> Oblat: the channel is #subversion
[22:43] <iceroot> !ot | Oblat
[22:43] <wrb1234> hmm
[22:44] <Oblat> iceroot, if you don't want to help me you can just ignore me
[22:44] <ikonia> Oblat: no, you need to read up on svn and have a little patience in #subversion
[22:44] <iceroot> Oblat: i helped you already. i said use svn co
[22:44] <Oblat> "use svn co" is not much help
[22:44] <hdtdi> ikonia, hi, i am from yesterday with the quota problem remember?
[22:44] <bhychik> всем привет
[22:44] <Slart> !ru | bhychik
[22:44] <ikonia> hdtdi: I certainly do
[22:45] <iceroot> Oblat: but its the solution
[22:45] <trism> Oblat: svn co http://svn.eathena.ws/svn/ea/trunk/
[22:45] <wrb1234> sudo apt-get install iptables then? that wouldnt hurt anything?
[22:45] <ikonia> Oblat: you need to set up your svn environment, ask your friend if he has it working
[22:45] <pepso> hi. Unetbootin is showing 9.4live in ubuntu installation. Is there is any difference in live or loaded by ubuntu disk. I want to dual boot with xp. Xp is preinstalled. can any one help me plz
[22:45] <Oblat> thank you trism
[22:45] <trism> Oblat: I think iceroot is correct, your problem seems to be you're trying to update a svn working copy that was checked out with a newer version of the subversion client
[22:45] <iceroot> Oblat: ??? i tld you 10 times to use svn co
[22:45] <ae86-drifter> hmm do i run apt-get install sshfs? on the client or server?
[22:46] <Oblat> trism was more specific
[22:46] <Slart> wrb1234: I have no idea what kind of setup you have.. you will probably need to reboot.. not sure what it will do to your servers network stuff
[22:46] <hdtdi> ikonia, i just wanted to say i got my problem :) i went into init 1 and deleted this .vgs(whatever) and then run the quotaon command and voalq :) after reboot everything was fine
[22:46] <iceroot> Oblat: and you say thx to trism because he tolds you to use svn co?
[22:46] <lzrdking> i hope the lexmark backend will work :)
[22:46] <Oblat> i didn't understand what you meant by "use svn co"
[22:46] <ikonia> hdtdi: now that is great news, well done
[22:46] <pepso> hi. Unetbootin is showing 9.4live in ubuntu installation. Is there is any difference in live btw loaded by ubuntu disk. I want to dual boot with xp. Xp is preinstalled.
[22:46] <Oblat> thank you iceroot
[22:46] <Oblat> happy now? =P
[22:46] <surlo> Does anyone know why my resolution changes to a lower one every time I launch World of Warcraft?
[22:47] <linxeh> because WoW is set to a lower resolution ?
[22:47] <iceroot> Oblat: very happy
[22:47] <ohday> After installing Jaunty, I don't have Wireless in the nm-applet menu.
[22:47] <ohday> No eth1/wlan0 devices in ifconfig, et al.
[22:47] <ae86-drifter> lol
[22:47] <hyperstream> has anyone heard of a issue as the following: Laptop using intel graphics, when i enable dual screens both on 1024 resolution i get a black screens with working cursor, if i make the second monitor a lower resolution it works(800x600 YUCK) if i make the laptop 1280 and the secondry 1024 it locks the system?
[22:47] <wrb1234> Slart i understand... thanks, i just got a 540MB Linode and im playing with it :D i appreciate your help so far
[22:47] <Oblat> I am too since it's working now and still no response in #svn not even a single word.
[22:47] <Ivshti> Hi,
[22:47] <ohday> Is this common behaviour? I'm using a broadcom card.
[22:47] <ae86-drifter> ohday chack the /etc/network/interfaces file
[22:47] <Ivshti> I'm missing my /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[22:47]  * pepso disappointed
[22:47] <ohday> ae86-drifter, for?
[22:48] <Ivshti> and update-desktop-database doesn't generate it
[22:48] <ae86-drifter> just pastebin it here
[22:48] <Ivshti> so I guess I'm missing a package
[22:48] <ae86-drifter> ohday, just read the file and observe
[22:48] <hyperstream> surlo, why play wow in linux, seriously, huge performance differences, and yes as Lingerance  said, your wow video settings are set lower.
[22:48] <hyperstream> !blackscreen
[22:49] <raul_> iceroot I did what you said... the video on youtube seemed to work... but the screen was still black and I heard no sound... should I install other plugin?
[22:50] <ohday> ae86-drifter, auto lo\n iface lo inet loopback
[22:50] <iceroot> raul_: hm, if i am correct that a known bug about flash but dont know excatly, so maybe another person here is a bigger help
[22:51] <ae86-drifter> ohday, you will need to add wlan0 or wifo0 or something then
[22:51] <OpenJoke53041> Ciao a tutti!!!
[22:51] <OpenJoke53041> !list
[22:51] <Slart> wrb1234: you're welcome
[22:51] <raul_> I installed the flash plugin... the video on youtube seems to work... but the screen gets black and I hear no sound... should I install other plugin?
[22:51] <OpenJoke53041> !addon
[22:51] <ohday> ae86-drifter, Give me a minute; trying to fix up the other computer, being as I don't have a wired connect.
[22:51] <OpenJoke53041> !addon
[22:52] <OpenJoke53041> ciao
[22:52] <ae86-drifter> OpenJoke53041, there is NO !list here !
[22:52] <OpenJoke53041> Ciao a tutti!!!
[22:52] <Slart> !it | OpenJoke53041
[22:53] <ae86-drifter> .kb OpenJoke
[22:54] <fornext> hello
[22:55] <[Enrico]> mhm guys when i try to install python-soya (needed for balazar) i get this error message "python-soya: Depends: libode0debian1 (>= 1:0.8.dfsg-3) but it is not installable" is this a bug? i can't find a libode0 in the repo, only libode1
[22:55] <emilLM25> I have problem gettiing my wacom intuos3 tablet working in ubuntu 9.10 ppc.. tried some of the stuff here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom without any success, and the "xinput --list" command shows no tablet.. (I'm really eager to try out myPaint)
[22:55] <fornext> is there a way to enable dri for xorg without restart the server?
[22:55] <ikonia> no
[22:55] <emilLM25>  I've compiled a graphical setup/preferences thing as well but it finds no tablet either.
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> fornext: if you change the settings for X you must restart X to reload the settings
[22:56] <[Enrico]> i guess yes since https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soya/+bug/466335 :D
[22:57] <fornext> ActionParsnip, i thought so to, but there is something differnt
[22:58] <Tiders> What is the best "Publisher" type program for Ubuntu
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> !best | Tiders
[22:58] <lzrdking> WOAH! score a billion for ubuntu/linux.  My A920 scanner just WORKED i didn't need to install or configure anything!  well, i did have to turn it on...
[22:58] <Tiders> What is an available "Publisher" type program for Ubuntu
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> Tiders: scribus
[22:58] <Tiders> ActionParsnip, Thanks
[22:58] <LjL> Tiders: there aren't many to begin with. there are various publishing programs that aren't really GUI-based, since that's the trend in the Unix world
[22:59] <LjL> but yeah, scribus
[22:59] <lzrdking> i tried to install xsane and it told me it was already the newest version, so i started it and it started working
[22:59] <fornext> ActionParsnip, first I have to say, It is not a xorg running, but a Xephyre. Badly it is not using DRI.
[22:59] <lzrdking> s/working/scanning
[23:00] <LjL> Tiders: another is cenon.app
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> lzrdking: nice, great when that happens, go report it on the HCL :D
[23:00] <lzrdking> where is the hcl?
[23:00] <ae86-drifter> hi, # modprobe fuse   gives me   FATAL: Module fuse not found.
[23:00] <Tiders> LjL, I definatley want a GUI one though
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> !hcl | lzrdking
[23:00] <LjL> Tiders: those mentioned are GUI
[23:00] <lejonmanen> hello! i have an issue with a program that worked with ubuntu 9.04 but not on 9.10. what could be the cause for this?
[23:01] <LjL> Tiders: there are also other programs that are a bit more CorelDraw-liked, but may do... 'xaraxl' is one, 'inkscape' is another
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> lejonmanen: try renaming its config folder
[23:01] <LjL> Tiders: sorry, that's 'xaralx'
[23:01] <lzrdking> ActionParsnip: do i need to create a login to report it?
[23:02] <xtasy> hey is anyone using the facebook plugin for pidgin
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> lzrdking: not sure
[23:02] <Tiders> LjL, With Scribus I said I wanted to do a front and back page but how do I make it switch between the two pages
[23:02] <xtasy> mine keeps disconnecting was wondering if it is just me
[23:02] <ZykoticK9> xtasy, the one in the repo is old and doesn't work get the new version for the googlecode page
[23:02] <LjL> Tiders: i know the program names, but it's not like i actually use them...
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> lzrdking: http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/   is where you should go too
[23:03] <furythor> does all wine related talk need to go for #wine ?
[23:03] <xtasy> yeah I got the googlecode one
[23:03] <matju> if i put a SD card in my computer and it's not automatically mounted, what can i do to mount it manually? it used to work in 9.04 but then i upgraded to 9.10... i would think that this is the only thing that changed since last time i tried.
[23:03] <lzrdking> actually, its already listed as a supported scanner on the SANE website.  I didn't realize I had a 920
[23:04] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hi, i'm running apache 2.2.8 on ubuntu 8.04 and apache won't shut down cleanly anymore (apache2ctl, init.d, killall). i need to do a killall -KILL to stop it. does anyone know what could be causing this?
[23:04] <lejonmanen> ActionParsnip: thanks, it seems like it worked. I'm kinda embarassed...
[23:04] <ZykoticK9> xtasy, 1.64 is working fine for me?
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> lzrdking: awesome
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> matju: has it been in a windows system?
[23:04] <matju> ActionParsnip: the card...? certainly not since the last time it automounted. why?
[23:04] <xtasy> ZykoticK9: must be just my flakey router then cheers anyway
[23:05] <matju> ActionParsnip: basically, i'm on Ubuntu and my girlfriend is on OSX.
[23:05] <david_pacer> what's that command that starts with "L" that tells all about hardware and system?
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> majugood, windows users have the really bad habit of not using the Safetly Remove Hardware feature then wonder why they get issues
[23:05] <Billiard> ActionParsnip: does the card show up for the command sudo blkid ?
[23:05] <Billiard> sorry matju ^
[23:06] <matju> david_pacer: lspci and lsusb and lsmod and maybe more.
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> maju: if you run: sudo fdisk -l       do you see the partition?
[23:06] <lzrdking> can XSANE connect to SANE on a different machine?
[23:06] <matju> Billiard: a-ha, never heard of that command
[23:06] <mike998> Greetings
[23:06] <mike998> Mind if I ask a question?
[23:06] <legend2440> david_pacer: sudo lshw
[23:07] <matju> Billiard: no, i only get four /dev/sda partitions... main hard disk
[23:07] <Billiard> !ask | mike998
[23:07] <mike998> I'm having a problem with conky on Karmic.  I'm trying to get it to display my ESSID, and if I run it as a sudo command, it displays the ESSID, no problems, as the regular user, it doesn't display anything...
[23:07] <mike998> Any ideas?
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> lzrdking: let me check, sounds interesting
[23:07] <Billiard> matju: waht about fdisk -l   like ActionParsnip said
[23:08] <ae86-drifter> how do i install fuse
[23:08] <ViaNocturna85> hello
[23:08] <xguru> has elbuntu been completely abandoned?
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> lzrdking: http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/57798
[23:09] <ikonia> xguru: do you mean edubuntu ?
[23:09] <lzrdking> ActionParsnip: thanks!
[23:09] <xguru> no elbuntu.  its ubuntu with the enlightenment windows manager...
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> lzrdking: expected it really due to the modularity of linux
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> lzrdking: like remote X ;)
[23:10] <lzrdking> ActionParsnip: me too, but i was looking in XSANE preferences to see if there were any options
[23:10] <ViaNocturna85> xguru: I'm not sure but the last entry to a guide on the matter is now a year old, but not officially abandoned
[23:10] <Heckler> hello all
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> lzrdking: not something i use but looks promising
[23:10] <Darck> alguem sabe me dizer um programa p/ gravar descktop tipo o Cantasia p/ windows??
[23:10] <LjL> !br | Darck
[23:10] <Billiard> mike998: how are you trying to show your essid?
[23:11] <VCoolio> xguru: if you want enlightenment install it on ubuntu from their own repo or from svn
[23:11] <Darck> k... Obrigado
[23:11] <xguru> VCoolio: i was thinking about it, but i do not want all the gnome bs....
[23:11] <mike998> Billiard : Using the ${wireless_essid eth1} parameter in my config
[23:12] <ViaNocturna85> xguru: perhaps xubuntu?
[23:12] <mike998> Billiard : I have also tried running conky in debug (for more output) but there's nothing about not being able to acquire the essid when running it as a regular user...
[23:12] <xguru> i think i will go with the minimal install and build it from there
[23:12] <matju> ActionParsnip,Billiard: it only talks about the main hard disk: «Disque /dev/sda: 100.0 Go,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 octets» and the list of its 6 partitions
[23:13] <xguru> i think i can replace gdm with something more practical as well
[23:13] <matju> ActionParsnip,Billiard: is there any other arg i'm supposed to be putting after the «-l» ?
[23:13] <xguru> ah ha! i found something on ubuntu forms that i was looking for...thanks guys
[23:14] <LetsGo67> I am FED UP with the STUPID bug in Ubuntu where my CPU fan is OFF!
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> matju: just -l (l)ists the partitions
[23:14] <Billiard> mike998: you could try getting the essid out of iwconfig
[23:14] <mike998> Billiard: unsure how to do that
[23:14] <Oblat> I'm getting this error when I'm starting up vnc: http://paste-it.net/public/ga8e8f5/
[23:14] <Billiard> mike998: pastebin your output of iwconfig eth1 ,   i dont have wireless on this computer
[23:15] <matju> ActionParsnip,Billiard: /dev/*sd* has only sda* 7 times. there is no other visible drive. would the sd* card appear as a sd* or a hd* or other?
[23:15] <LetsGo67> Nearly 25000 "CPU above treshold" errors!
[23:15] <matju> er
[23:15] <matju> ActionParsnip,Billiard: /dev/*sd* has only sda* 7 times. there is no other visible drive. would the SD card appear as a sd* or a hd* or other?
[23:15] <Billiard> matju: should be sd probably
[23:15] <LetsGo67> How do I turn on the fan?  It used to be on all the time in 9.04!  Didn't have this problem!
[23:15] <Oblat> I'm getting this error when I'm starting up vnc: http://paste-it.net/public/ga8e8f5/    How can I fix this error?
[23:15] <LetsGo67> PLEASE HELP!
[23:15] <ViaNocturna85> Oblat: What happens if you run vnc as root?
[23:16] <Oblat> It works
[23:16] <mike998> Billiard: I get no output when using the iwcommand as a regular user, however, if I sudo, I get full output
[23:16] <Oblat> on root but on my other user it does not
[23:16] <Hilikus> hey guys
[23:16] <matju> LetsGo67: http://www.sehsc.org/flu/images/Don%27t%20Panic.jpg
[23:16] <timClicks> any expertes on dd here?
[23:16] <timClicks> *experts
[23:16] <Hilikus> if i want to reinstall my server from scratch but keep the configurations i've done. what do i need to save apart form /etc and /home?
[23:16] <synapsys> define 'expert'
[23:16] <LetsGo67> Matju THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TOO LONG!  Sorry, but this is raelly making me mad.
[23:17] <ikonia> Oblat: look at the permissions on /dev/null
[23:17] <LetsGo67> My fast computer is SLOW AS HELL with Ubuntu!
[23:17] <mike998> Billiard: Is it possible to give the conky executable access to the iwconfig command without opening it up any further, I am assuming that it's current state is for security's sakes
[23:17] <matju> LetsGo67: going mad doesn't fix nor alleviate the problem.
[23:17] <Guest12> LetsGo67: sound more like a hard ware problem but try this: sudo fan --on
[23:17] <LetsGo67> Although the picture is dunny.
[23:17] <Billiard> Hilikus: most config is in /etc and /home
[23:17] <lstarnes> LetsGo67: have you seen any bug reports on launchpad related to your issue?
[23:17] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hi, i'm running apache 2.2.8 on ubuntu 8.04 and apache won't shut down cleanly anymore (apache2ctl, init.d, killall). i need to do a killall -KILL to stop it. does anyone know what could be causing this?
[23:18] <LetsGo67> Istarnes: maybe, but I don't care, they shouldn't remove the fan in 9.10.  It's supposed to be an UPDATE for goodness' sake.
[23:18] <iceroot> DrUnKnMuNkY: look at /var/log/apache2/error.log
[23:18] <ikonia> Guest12: please don't make random nonsense comments
[23:18] <Billiard> mike998: iwconfig has no output?
[23:18] <ikonia> LetsGo67: it it visually slow, or slow at actually doing things ?
[23:18] <Hilikus> Billiard: what about /usr and stuff like that. i don't want to keep binaries, but like i do want my mysql data. and i know that's not in /home or /etc
[23:18] <DrUnKnMuNkY> iceroot: there's nothing in the error log that would indicate a problem. it says nothing when it's killed any when starting up only says that suexec is on and that the apache2.pid file has been overwritten
[23:19] <Guest12> ikonia:  How is that a stupid random comment?
[23:19] <mike998> Billiard: output of first line is a very bare looking "eth1      IEEE 802.11  Nickname:"""
[23:19] <LetsGo67> acer aspire 5315 It is SLOW ikonia in processing and visually.
[23:19] <lstarnes> LetsGo67: the developers might not know if there hasn't been a bug reported
[23:19] <ikonia> Guest12: his computer is slow - so you offer the command "sudo fan on"
[23:19] <lstarnes> LetsGo67: what do you get from lsmod | grep fan ?
[23:19] <LetsGo67> NEARLY 50000 CPU over treshold errors.
[23:19] <Billiard> mike998: you said there wasnt any output
[23:19] <LetsGo67> Intarnes: nada.
[23:19] <LetsGo67> Intarnes: nada al todo
[23:19] <lstarnes> LetsGo67: try sudo modprobe fan
[23:20] <ikonia> LetsGo67: stop using caps lock please
[23:20] <LetsGo67> FATAL: Module fan not found  (phoque!)
[23:20] <mike998> Billiard: As opposed the the very verbose output I get when I enter the command as root - example line is "eth1      IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:"TWINTOWN"  Nickname:"""
[23:20] <LetsGo67> Ikonia: will do :)
[23:20] <matju> ActionParsnip,Billiard: i googled for what appears in lspci and it led me to the name «sdhci». so i did «sudo modprobe sdhci» but no /dev/sd* appeared
[23:20] <LetsGo67> Ikonia: although the "FATAL" was in caps lock
[23:20] <Guest12> ikonia: I miss understood , please do not insult people , just correct them politely ..
[23:21] <LetsGo67> Ikonia: first Ask.com result shows something for my computer
[23:21] <ikonia> Guest12: I'm not insuling you, I am asking you to not make nonsense commands
[23:21] <Billiard> mike998: running the command as a regular user leaves out the ESSID output?
[23:21] <Guest12> ikonia: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man1/fan.1.html
[23:21] <Heckler> quit
[23:22] <Hilikus> is it recommended (or the opposite) to install ubuntu 9.10 server on a ext4 partition?
[23:22] <ViaNocturna85> hahaha, sudo fan --on...he's right
[23:22] <ikonia> Guest12: I don't see how that links to his problem - and if you look it's for a specific hardware platform, a toshiba laptop, is he running a toshiba laptop ?
[23:22] <Billiard> mike998: what about iwgetid
[23:22] <LetsGo67> Ikonia, Guest12: don't worry, I'm used to it, and I don't mind, and I wish it was a command.  :)
[23:22] <mike998> Billiard: http://pastebin.com/d365e4ece
[23:23] <ikonia> LetsGo67: what video card is in your machine, the wrong xorg configuration can often give the impression of a machine running slow, but it's not actually running slow
[23:23] <mike998> Billiard: There's an internal variable in the .conkyrc that gets the essid automagically if I run it as root
[23:24] <LetsGo67> ikonia: it starts up just fine, it eventually slows down.  Doubt it's an xorg issue because I can watch movies and DVDs.
[23:24] <ikonia> LetsGo67: slow down would suggest something along the lines of a memory leak, or a hardware error, have you looked at what system resources are in use when it's quick and then when it's slow (something like top would do)
[23:25] <matju> ActionParsnip,Billiard: what's /dev/sr0 supposed to be ?
[23:25] <LetsGo67> Ikonia: the issue here is that Ubuntu is NOT detecting the fan.
[23:25] <ikonia> LetsGo67: did you see you where using an acer device ?
[23:25] <rocdoc> matju: that is your first optical drive
[23:25] <Billiard> matju: cddrive probably
[23:25] <mike998> sr = recordable device?
[23:25] <hyperstream> omg, guys i went to Display and setup a second monitor and it went to, two black screens, and i hit alt tab then enter for some unknown reason, i think its make it the Active and Default setting, how can i reconfigure this setting or revert back to the old one that was working, at current i cannot boot up into X, only access terminals ;/
[23:25] <matju> rocdoc,Billiard: thanks
[23:26] <flupke> hi, firefox hangs from time to time when looking at pages with flash. It's sound related and I used to wrap firefox with padsp to workaround that, but it's not working anymore on 9.10, how can I fix this issue ?
[23:26] <hyperstream> ive been trying to reconfigure X, Xorg -configure , dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server, still nothing
[23:26] <Billiard> flupke: which flashplugin did you install?
[23:26] <Ivshti> Do you know how to automatically generate /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[23:26] <flupke> Billiard, flashplugin-nonfree
[23:27] <hyperstream> where can i find the configure file for the system->pref->display ?
[23:27] <ZykoticK9> hyperstream, cd /etc/X11 && sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.notworking -- then restart X or GDM or Reboot
[23:27] <hyperstream> ZykoticK9 there is no xorg.conf in there, im using 9.10
[23:27] <chiques> how do I find out of if I have the latest stable kernel installed in ubuntu?
[23:27] <ZykoticK9> hyperstream, is this ATI?
[23:28] <hyperstream> ZykoticK9 intel
[23:28] <lstarnes> chiques: you can find your kernel version by using uname -r
[23:28] <chiques> lstarnes, How do I know if it's the latest one? I was messing around with modem drivers and ended up changing my kernel
[23:29] <lstarnes> chiques: it should usually be the latest version available from the repos for your version of ubuntu
[23:29] <lstarnes> chiques: not the actual latest version of the kernel
[23:29] <chiques> 2.6.31-14-generic, that sound right for 9.10?
[23:29] <lstarnes> chiques: I think so
[23:30] <apocalypt> chiques 2.6.31-16 is the new i guess
[23:30] <chiques> k
[23:30] <chiques> thanks
[23:30] <hyperstream> ZykoticK9 ill pastebin what i have
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> matju: sr0 == cdrom
[23:31] <hyperstream> ZykoticK9: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/338349/
[23:31] <jedi06> does anyone else have problems with clicking items in firefox
[23:31] <henrik__> chiques, just du a apt-get update and then dist-upgrade
[23:31] <henrik__> and it should update to -16
[23:31] <ZykoticK9> hyperstream, sure enough no xorg.conf!  sorry man I don't know what to suggest for ya -- best of luck man
[23:32] <hyperstream> ZykoticK9, thanks mate
[23:32] <mdb3624> my system freezes everytime I leave forcing me to reboot my computer
[23:32] <ZykoticK9> jedi06, do you mean flash stuff?  do you have compiz turned on?
[23:32] <hcfjxjyxjc> Entrez le texte ici...alut
[23:32] <mdb3624> has someone else seen this issue?
[23:32] <lstarnes> !fr | hcfjxjyxjc
[23:32] <jedi06> ZykoticK9, yea notice it with flash stuff yes
[23:33] <chiques> thanks henrik__
[23:33] <hyperstream> can anyone help me resolve my display issue: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/338349/ guys i went to Display and setup a second monitor and it went to, two black screens, and i hit alt tab then enter for some unknown reason, i think its make it the Active and Default setting, how can i reconfigure this setting or revert back to the old one that was working. Cannot locate xorg config file either!
[23:33] <jedi06> what is compiz? and how do i turn it on/off
[23:33] <ae86-drifter> i need help desperately, i just installed linux-image, now when i boot up i just get black creen, i can switch to the CLI with ctrl+alt+f1 but when i goto f7 it is blank, startx tells me X is already running.. i restored a backup of my x11.conf file and still get a blank screen!
[23:33] <jedi06> ZykoticK9, ^
[23:33] <matju> ActionParsnip,Billiard: so, what could i do, beyond «sudo modprobe sdhci» ?
[23:33] <ZykoticK9> jedi06, compiz is 3d effects
[23:33] <mike998> Anyone else able to help? Is there another room I should go to ?
[23:33] <jedi06> ZykoticK9, should i turn it on/off?
[23:34] <ZykoticK9> jedi06, try system/preferences/appearance - visual effects tab - and see what it's set too
[23:34] <ae86-drifter> please if someone could pm me with some assistance
[23:34] <jedi06> Normal
[23:34] <jedi06> ZykoticK9, ^
[23:34] <Tina-> hyperstream: try setting resolutions with xrandr or lxrandr
[23:34] <ae86-drifter> ill give $10 paypal for help
[23:34] <Tina-> :O
[23:35] <MatBoy> does someone know a nice shortname for ubuntu ?
[23:35] <MatBoy> ubu ? ubun ?
[23:35] <ZykoticK9> jedi06, if you set it to None then flash-clicking will work (for a work around you can try click and holding your right button down, then left click on the flash button and it might work as well)
[23:35] <apocalypt> hyperstream: or try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:35] <matju> jedi06: if you intend to use VNC remote-desktop across the atlantic, i recommend to turn off compiz, all other wm effects, and font antialiasing as well, ... and pick a client wisely.
[23:35] <torasuku> MatBoy, what's wrong with "ubuntu"?
[23:35] <hyperstream> apocalypt i did that, doesnt do anything ;/
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> matju: sudo rmmod usb_storage; sleep 5; sudo modprobe usb_storage
[23:35] <MatBoy> torasuku: to lon in my hostnames ;)
[23:35] <MatBoy> *long
[23:35] <matju> jedi06: otherwise, it's a matter of whether it distracts you.
[23:35] <apocalypt> Tina-: did u get your eee-aplet?
[23:36] <Tina-> apocalypt: no :(
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> !ask | ae86-drifter
[23:36] <jedi06> well why in the F*** doesn't it just work!
[23:36] <apocalypt> hyperstream:  do u use a nvidia card?
[23:36] <ae86-drifter> ActionParsnip i did ask a question!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:36] <ae86-drifter> i need help desperately, i just installed linux-image, now when i boot up i just get black creen, i can switch to the CLI with ctrl+alt+f1 but when i goto f7 it is blank, startx tells me X is already running.. i restored a backup of my x11.conf file and still get a blank screen!
[23:36] <matju> jedi06: or whether it eats your CPU or slows down your GPU, ...
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> MatBoy: its 6 characters, why is it too long?
[23:36] <Billiard> matju: i have no idea, im not so good at getting devices to be detected if they dont work out of the box
[23:36] <hyperstream> apocalypt nope, intel laptop one
[23:36] <lstarnes> ActionParsnip: what graphics card are you using?
[23:36] <lstarnes> ActionParsnip: oops, that was for ae86-drifter
[23:36] <Tina-> tried the instruction on the form but i got some error about etc/init.d/hotkeys-start not excists
[23:37] <jedi06> well it is just aggravating to have these little bugs.
[23:37] <leaf-sheep> hyperstream: What resolution?
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: linux-image is default installed in ubuntu
[23:37] <hyperstream> 1024
[23:37] <matju> ActionParsnip: it's not a usb_storage device, is it? it only appears on the PCI bus. my SD reader is built into the laptop.
[23:37] <linuxguy2009> Hey guys Im using a live CD and starting synaptic and marking all upgrades, followed by generate package download script. I ran the bash script and all of the updates for 9.04 are a folder on my desktop. Theres 272 updates total. I was gonna put em on a CD-R and include a bash script called install.sh that just runs "sudo dpkg -I *.deb" from within the CD, but are there any other alternatives to this like are there any GUI tools that I
[23:37] <ubuntuxxx> i found hundreds of tutorials for creating a bootable ubuntu live usb drive. what i'm trying to find is a way to create a windows install usb FROM ubuntu. please if you know some way let me know!
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> lstarnes: nvidia 6150 onboard 512Mb
[23:37] <MatBoy> ActionParsnip: because it is...
[23:37] <hyperstream> i just need to get it back to default
[23:37] <hyperstream> as if i just reinstalled it
[23:37] <apocalypt> Tina-: a symbolic link of that program in /etc/init.d/ doesn't work?
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> matju: its on the usb bus
[23:37] <linuxguy2009> It would be a service pack for Ubuntu 9.04 thats my goal.
[23:38] <lstarnes> ae86-drifter: which graphics card are you using ?
[23:38] <ae86-drifter> geforce 7600
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> linuxguy2009: just install the updates and it will be a "service pack" equiv
[23:38] <hyperstream> i just had to unplg the monitor
[23:38] <henrik__> linuxguy2009, I dont know if UNetbootin would od it for you if you have windows in a .iso file
[23:38] <hyperstream> the second monitor
[23:38] <hyperstream> thanks guys
[23:38] <hyperstream> life savers
[23:38] <flupke> so, there is no way to wrap firefox with padsp anymore ?
[23:38] <lstarnes> ae86-drifter: are you using the proprietary drivers for nvidia cards?
[23:38] <chris231989_> ubuntuxxx: could you not just use dd to copy the windows isntall disk to usb dirve
[23:38] <ae86-drifter> lstarnes yes
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: if you remove the video driver you use, you should get a display
[23:39] <matju> ActionParsnip: if so, then how come lsusb doesn't show it?
[23:39] <apocalypt> hyperstream: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=670645
[23:39] <ae86-drifter> ActionParsnip, i dont know how to from CLI
[23:39] <ubuntuxxx> chris23
[23:39] <linuxguy2009> ActionParsnip: Yeah I know how to install them manually. I guess I could just throw em in a CDR and manually install them on a fresh install. Dont get much easier I guess.
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: what video card do you have?
[23:39] <ZykoticK9> linuxguy2009, dpkg -i won't work unless you get the order right!  check out apt-on-cd (or something like that), OR just copy all the files to /var/cache/apt/archive <- this is what I do to save having to alway download all updates
[23:39] <ae86-drifter> apt-get remove nvidia ?
[23:39] <ubuntuxxx> chris231989_ all i have is an iso. can i just dd an iso to usb and it will work?
[23:39] <ae86-drifter> nvidia 7600
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia*; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[23:40] <chris231989_> ubuntuxxx: i've never done it but i belive you can just use if=/path/toiso/blah.iso then ?path/to/usbdrive
[23:40] <cmacis> Hey all. I've just reinstalled karmic and I need some help. The screen is bigger than my monitor, so I'm only seeing the top left of the screen. I've been into system>preferences>display but none of the settings there worked. Every setting but the one I'm on turned everything into lines
[23:40] <chris231989_> ?=/
[23:40] <linuxguy2009> ZykoticK9: well actually "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" works perfectly in any folder full of deb packages.
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> linuxguy2009: you can use aptoncd
[23:40] <Billiard> chris231989 ubuntuxxx i think there is more to it than that
[23:41] <Hilikus> whats the status on installing ubuntu server on an ext4 partition?
[23:41] <ZykoticK9> linuxguy2009, only if you are VERY lucky
[23:41] <Hilikus> still not recommended?
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> Hilikus: go for it
[23:41] <lstarnes> Hilikus: I haven't heard anything about it
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> Hilikus: the kernel is good with ext4
[23:41] <linuxguy2009> ZykoticK9: You just have to know what your doing when you make your repo disks to get all the deps.
[23:41] <lstarnes> Hilikus: although I do recall something about an issue eith ext4 and large files.  It may or may not have been patched if it actually does exist
[23:41] <Hilikus> ActionParsnip: i heard there was a problem with data loss, i heard it was gonna be fixed in 2.6.30 i think
[23:41] <lstarnes> *with
[23:41] <Hilikus> the other problem was grub
[23:41] <ubuntuxxx> billiard: my intuition would be to agree with you. although after chris suggested, i went and checked a bit and it seems its doable
[23:42] <lstarnes> 2.6.30 has been out for a while
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: you will then be able to reboot and use a safer driver
[23:42] <lstarnes> and ubuntu 9.10 uses 2.6.31
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> Hilikus: then use karmic ;)
[23:42] <linuxguy2009> 9.10 yuuuuk ok im outta here.
[23:42] <cmacis> It's weird because the openchrome drivers are installed, and that's what my laptop needs
[23:42] <LetsGo67> Istarnes: the computer shut down on itself due to the overheating.  After the reboot, the fan is up and running, albeit rather noisy.
[23:43] <Hilikus> lstarnes: yes, but i'm not 100% sure if it was true that it was gonna be fixed in 2.6.30. that's what i want to know if anyone knows of that bug of data loss on ext4 when the FS was not unmounted correctly
[23:43] <apocalypt> cmacis: crtl+alt+F1 >login>sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. maybe it helps
[23:43] <Hilikus> lstarnes: also, does ubuntu 9.10 come with grub2? cause i also heard grub1 would not boot up frmo a ext4 partition
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> Hilikus: check the bugs logged
[23:43] <lstarnes> Hilikus: it does and I think it can
[23:43]  * Tina- using ext4 on her gentoo since 2.6.29 kerenl and never had a problem, stem is always on, accept the powerfails ,lol, but that is good itnever broke 'yet'
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> Tina-: get a UPS if your power fails
[23:44] <apocalypt> cmacis: after that restart Xserver: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart for ubuntu
[23:44] <Tina-> ActionParsnip: i know but i'm poor ;)
[23:44] <Hilikus> lstarnes: which one can? grub1?
[23:44] <lstarnes> Hilikus: grub2
[23:45] <Hilikus> oh ok
[23:45] <Hilikus> thanks
[23:45] <lstarnes> Hilikus: grub1 is no longer developed
[23:45] <apocalypt> !grub2
[23:45] <kain_> where can i find the default folder icons in Karmic (ex : Pictures folder, Downloads folder, ..)
[23:46] <Hilikus> would i notice any perfomance difference if i install / on ext4 instead of ext3 or the bottlenecks for servers are not on the FS? i know it probably depends on the services runnig, but i'm talking about in general, the kernel, etc and apache, mysql and common services
[23:46] <Tina-> Hilikus: grub1 boots ext4 fine, but maybe concider a small /boot partition (maybe eve ext2)
[23:46] <Cuddles> quick question, if I'm trying to set up a triple boot with Win Xp, Win 7, and the current release of Ubuntu. Should I install both the Win OS's then the Ubuntu OS?
[23:46] <apocalypt> kain_: open nautilus and push crtl+h they are in hidden folders
[23:47] <apocalypt> i guess
[23:47] <Hilikus> Tina-: i will use grub2 if that's the default in ubuntu now. i installed my server when feisty was the latest
[23:47] <Cuddles> so grub will see it?
[23:47] <trism> Cuddles: yes, otherwise windows will wipe out grub
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> kain_: look in /usr/share/pixmaps
[23:47] <^workman^> Cuddles: yes
[23:47] <Cuddles> sweet!
[23:47] <Cuddles> Thx!
[23:47] <ae86-drifter> ActionParsnip, i tried sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia*; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove, then i rebooted and i get the same thing
[23:47] <Hilikus> Cuddles: i think you also have to do XP, 7, otherwise XP will wipeout 7's
[23:47] <LetsGo67> Istarnes: help please?
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: could remove xserver-xorg-video-nv
[23:48] <Cuddles> yeah i was thinking that too Xp's bootmbr is kind of dumb
[23:48] <ae86-drifter> ActionParsnip thanks ill try that hang on
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: you could also reinstall the kernel you use
[23:48] <kain_> apocalypt : nautilus?
[23:48] <ae86-drifter> ok
[23:48] <Viking667> Hi all. I've got a pulseaudio problem. I don't know how to stop it from starting up... and I can't seem to get any sound to work without using pulseaudio, period.
[23:48] <apocalypt> kain do what ActionParsnip told u if u are back again
[23:49] <ae86-drifter> at boot time i have a selection of about 6 kernels, none work
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: it will force the system to use the vesa driver
[23:50] <apocalypt> kain_: nautilus is the standard file browser of Ubuntu
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: do any work?
[23:50] <kain_> ActionParsnip : i look already in pixmaps and couldn't find the icons for the folders in "places"
[23:50] <Tina-> Cuddles: i sometimes use a  weird way to dual boot, i setup grub on none mbr dd that and add that to the windows bootloader, so i always have a spare grub to boot things up
[23:51] <ae86-drifter> ActionParsnip no kernels from the boot menu work, they all do the same thing
[23:51] <ae86-drifter> well it loads the kernel, just not X11
[23:51] <Tina-> have not tried that with a grub2 tho
[23:51] <apocalypt> kain_: try /usr/share/icons/
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: ok then read: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:51] <RaJiL> hi
[23:52] <ae86-drifter> ActionParsnip, removing  xserver-xorg-video-nv just worked
[23:52] <plitter> why doesnt the tab work for autocompletion of nicks? it worked before.
[23:52] <ae86-drifter> i now have gui with a crazy small resolution
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: got an X server?
[23:52] <ae86-drifter> ActionParsnip, yep
[23:52] <hdtdi_> i have a question.. where should i put favicon.ico in my apache2 dirs ?
[23:52] <lstarnes> plitter: which client are you using?
[23:52] <ae86-drifter> ActionParsnip, so just reinstall nvidia drivers now?
[23:52] <apocalypt> kain_: there are also the wallpapers /usr/share/wallpapers/
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: then run: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185
[23:52] <lstarnes> hdtdi_: the highest directory
[23:53] <lstarnes> hdtdi_: usually /var/www/
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: or 190 if you have the repo
[23:53] <plitter> lstarnes: empathy
[23:53] <ae86-drifter> ActionParsnip, thanks for the assistance, much appreciated!
[23:53] <lstarnes> plitter: it might be a bug in empathy
[23:53] <hdtdi_> lstarnes, should i write something in the config file or in the index file or i just have to put it into /var/www ?
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> ae86-drifter: np man, you can keep your 10 USD too ;)
[23:53] <VCoolio> what's the svn command to get the newest branch? update / merge / pull?
[23:53] <ae86-drifter> haha ok
[23:53] <DrUnKnMuNkY> I can't shutdown apache cleanly anymore. There's nothing helpful in error.log. I need to use killall -KILL to stop it. any ideas?
[23:53] <eremite> Does anyone know how to edit Tomboy notes so that I can change the default "Today" note template?
[23:54] <lstarnes> VCoolio: update updates to the newest revision of the current branch
[23:54] <plitter> lstarnes: humm now it works....:p thanks for the help your a lifesaver:D
[23:54] <lstarnes> hdtdi_: browsers should automatically find favicon.ico without any additional configuration
[23:54] <VCoolio> lstarnes: ok thx, I was kind of confused
[23:54] <ae86-drifter> this resulted all from running command apt-get install linux-image
[23:54] <hdtdi_> DrUnKnMuNkY, whats the output when you run apache2ctl stop ?
[23:54] <RaJiL> how increment screen resolution? , i have Ati propietary driver
[23:54] <ae86-drifter> RaJiL, edit the settings
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> !ati | RaJiL
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> RaJiL: theres more steps yuo need
[23:56] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hdtdi_: nothing, it appears to stop. i posted apache2ctl stop with ps -ef | grep apache2 here: http://pastebin.com/m1ad41f2f
[23:56] <kain_> apocalypt : thank you, u found the place i was looking for /usr/share/icons/Humanity/places
[23:59] <hdtdi_> DrUnKnMuNkY, try - /etc/init.d/apache2 stop


[01:31] <redir> thumper: yt?
[01:32] <thumper> yep
[01:44] <redir> that test bit is a fake, it doesn't really matter what it returns. The actuall code that does that work is in container/kvm
[01:45] <thumper> redir: I trust you to make a good call
[01:45] <thumper> do what you think is right
[01:45] <redir> I'll update the code to use nonsense names and not depend on runtime since it is a fake to let the Initialiser complete so the rest of the suite will passa
[01:45] <thumper> ok
[01:52] <redir> crap maybe I'm wrong
[01:52] <redir> me looks harder
[02:05] <redir> brb
[03:53] <redir> back for a few
[09:52] <hoenir> Hi guys, other than "--debug" option there is anything that triggers the output to be more "verbose" ?
[09:53] <hoenir> ?
[09:54] <hoenir> anyone?
[09:54] <hoenir> can provide some insight?
[09:58] <macgreagoir> hoenir: Not that I know of. You can up the logging levels on the machines/units though. Take a look at `model config`.
[10:00] <babbageclunk> hoenir: You can also get a lot more logging out during the bootstrap process by setting JUJU_LOGGING_CONFIG, eg:
[10:01] <hoenir> Thanks, I'm already aware of that option. I thought that there is more than this, some special flag hidden in the cmd that I'm not aware already.
[10:01] <hoenir> the JUJU_LOGING_CONFIG tirggers the ctx.Verbose flag to be true?
[10:02] <babbageclunk> hoenir: I don't think so -  the --verbose flag does that.
[10:03] <babbageclunk> hoenir: hang on, what I was saying was: `JUJU_LOGGING_CONFIG="<root>=TRACE" juju bootstrap ...`
[10:03] <hoenir> babbageclunk, I will try now this.
[10:04] <babbageclunk> so setting the env var before bootstrapping (or other command) will show more logging from the client
[10:04] <babbageclunk> which might be useful if you're interested in --verbose
[10:05] <hoenir> simple just like this ? JUJU_LOGGING_CONFIG="<root>=TRACE"
[10:05] <babbageclunk> hoenir: yes, and then the command.
[10:05] <babbageclunk> hoenir: oh, are you on linux or windows?
[10:06] <hoenir> linux amd64-arch linux.
[10:06] <babbageclunk> hoenir: actually I
[10:06] <babbageclunk> oops
[10:06] <hoenir> Actually what?
[10:06] <hoenir> :))
[10:06] <babbageclunk> hoenir: no, it was a half-thought and I meant to delete it.
[10:07] <babbageclunk> dumb laptop keyboard ;)
[10:07] <hoenir> I forgive your keyboard.
[10:08] <hoenir> Tell him/her to not worry.
[10:08] <hoenir> ^_^
[10:08] <hoenir> and thanks for the advice.
[10:08] <babbageclunk> so setting that env var using export and then running the command should do it, or prefixing the command with the assignment.
[10:08] <babbageclunk> my pleasure - hope it helps!
[10:10] <babbageclunk> oops - bedtime!
[10:10]  * babbageclunk bedtimes
[10:41] <perrito666> morning jujuers
[11:06] <junaidali> Hi guys, I'm trying to restore a failed juju controller. I have created a new controller and running the command 'juju restore-backup -b --file=juju-backup-20170110-092916.tar.gz'
[11:06] <junaidali> but it is erroring out with the message 'ERROR old bootstrap instance ["bootstrap:6tdgfk"] still seems to exist; will not
[11:07] <junaidali> replace'
[11:07] <junaidali> I'm following this doc->https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/controllers-backup.  Thanks, I will be careful next time :)
[11:36] <perrito666> junaidali: yay, better this happening on test setups
[11:37] <perrito666> junaidali: in any case you can also restore a backup into the working controller but that is not the preferred way
[11:37] <perrito666> ask around if you have more doubts, ill be here all day
[11:37] <junaidali> perrito666: thanks, much appreciated.
[12:46] <perrito666> anyone knows in depth how upgradeStepsGate
[14:31] <natefinch> voidspace: so, I seem to have that change working with lxd.... but I'm not entirely sure how to test that the constraints are actually applied
[15:10] <natefinch> tych0: how can I test that my lxd limits are applied correctly?  i.e. 2GB RAM
[15:10] <perrito666> natefinch: compile juju inside lxc
[15:11] <natefinch> lolol
[15:14] <SimonKLB> whats the current status on how the primary ip is "chosen" for a machine in juju? last i checked it was kind of arbitrary when you have multiple interfaces on the machine
[15:15] <SimonKLB> has there been any recent discussions on that topic?
[15:15] <perrito666> SimonKLB: afaik it chooses one of the public ones but sort of randomly (ie, there is no predefined order)
[15:15] <perrito666> SimonKLB: perhaps voidspace can answer better
[15:17] <SimonKLB> yea, it would be nice to have a way to force it to choose one of them, for example, i have a maas setup where each machine have 2 nics, and i'd like one of them to be an internal network while the other the public one
[15:17] <SimonKLB> right now there doesnt seem to be a way to guarantee that the nic i use as the public one becomes the primary in juju
[15:17] <perrito666> SimonKLB: I see, I presume the ips are both "public" or both "private" ?
[15:17] <SimonKLB> one public and one private
[15:18] <perrito666> SimonKLB: I believe spaces should provide you with a solution for that I am not sure what is the working status of that for maas to be honest
[15:18] <perrito666> natefinch do you?
[15:19] <natefinch> spaces are supposed to do that, I think
[15:21] <SimonKLB> are maas spaces and juju spaces one and the same?
[15:21] <natefinch> for maas, yes, I believe so
[15:21] <perrito666> brb, lunch while bootstraping
[15:21] <perrito666> natefinch: SimonKLB I would not be so sure
[15:22] <perrito666> there is some overlapping in the definition but something tells me that juju spaces might be a bit more encompassing
[15:22] <perrito666> frobware: ?
[15:22] <natefinch> hmm, possibly
[15:23] <frobware> SimonKLB: your desire for "internal and public" would be met by spaces
[15:24] <SimonKLB> frobware: and would that be defined in maas or in juju, or both?
[15:24] <SimonKLB> because i see that both maas and juju have spaces
[15:25] <SimonKLB> not sure if they are directly translated from the provider to juju or if it's something that you define separately
[15:26] <frobware> SimonKLB: define your spaces in MAAS. That's your definitive network setup/topology. Juju will learn of the spaces on bootstrap. From there you can use do: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/charms-deploying#deploying-with-binding
[15:26] <SimonKLB> frobware: thanks!
[15:27] <SimonKLB> oh and btw, what decides what is going to be the primary ip and not?
[15:27] <frobware> SimonKLB: You can also use spaces (i.e., their names) in provisioning machines.
[15:28] <SimonKLB> so now i have machines with two nics, one on the public subnet and one private, the public subnet is in spaces-0 and private in internal-0
[15:29] <SimonKLB> since spaces-X are special spaces names, do they simply have priority? or how can i force the public subnet to become the primary nic/ip in juju?
[15:34] <SimonKLB> this looks kind of related https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1473069
[15:34] <mup> Bug #1473069: Inconsistency of determining IP addresses in MAAS environment between hosts and LXC containers <2.0> <addressability> <bug-squad> <cdo-qa-blocker>
 <lxc> <maas-provider> <networking> <uosci> <juju:Triaged by rharding> <Landscape Server:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473069>
[15:37] <SimonKLB> also this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1616098
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1616098: Juju 2.0 uses random IP for 'PUBLIC-ADDRESS' with MAAS 2.0 <4010> <cpec> <juju:Fix Released by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616098>
[15:38] <frobware> SimonKLB: the software that you want to run an be public should be deployed and bound to your public space
[15:39] <frobware> SimonKLB: you guide the exposure using spaces
[15:39] <SimonKLB> frobware: my issue is that i can guarantee that juju chooses the "correct" public ip
[15:39] <SimonKLB> frobware: so i could end up with the private ip being the one exposed in juju
[15:40] <SimonKLB> frobware: i dont see anywhere an option in maas to define a spaces as "public" or "private"
[15:40] <frobware> SimonKLB: put discrete subnets you put in your "public" space
[15:40] <frobware> in your...
[15:40] <frobware> SimonKLB: bbiab; meeting
[15:40] <SimonKLB> okok!
[17:42] <redir> brb reboot
[17:42] <redir> new kernel
[19:53] <perrito666> this bug is starting to feel like a fractal ffs
[19:59] <redir> :(
[20:29] <perrito666> k , EODing until standup, ill reply if privmsgs are sent tho
[20:57]  * redir lunches
[23:07]  * perrito666 is back


[08:10] <cfhowlett> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase
[08:29] <Trevinho> Hello
[08:30] <cfhowlett> Trevinho, greetings
[08:30] <handsome_feng> hey , marco, welcome !
[08:30] <Trevinho> hi cfhowlett
[08:30] <Trevinho> hi handsome_feng, how are you?
[08:31] <handsome_feng> yeah, everything is fine
[08:31] <cfhowlett> Is it permitted for me to ask you fine fellows (and ladies) for design help on Ubuntustudio?
[08:31] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: good!
[08:34] <andyrock> hey
[08:35] <handsome_feng> hi , andyrock， nice to meet you
[08:35] <cfhowlett> Are there any designers here?
[08:36] <handsome_feng> I think no ... :(
[08:37] <cfhowlett> tsk.  Really wanted some ubuntukylin magic on your wallpapers
[08:39] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: so... Speaking of the ongoing work... There's not much new from my side, since I just come back from holidays
[08:39] <handsome_feng> I can try to find some designers later
[08:40] <cfhowlett> handsome_feng, cool!  Here's what we are doing over at Ubuntustudio. Please share!  While I am in Beijing, I am ashamed to admit that I still do not speak Mandarin.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase
[08:40] <Trevinho> However, the lockscreen code is approved and is going to be included into the next landing
[08:41] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: as for the launcher rotation code, I need to do a new review...
[08:41] <Trevinho> The only concerns I had were related to quicklists and tooltips that IMHO should have the anchor centered when possible, while it should slide left or right depending on the screen space available
[08:41] <handsome_feng> ok, marco, have a good rest today
[08:44] <handsome_feng> i alrealdy do that
[08:45] <handsome_feng> but the tooltips have some problem
[08:45] <Trevinho> Mh, ah,  I see... Let me see if I can quickly test the new code
[08:46] <handsome_feng> fine, thinks
[08:47] <Trevinho> also ensure this merges cleanly with lp:~3v1n0/unity/launcher-filemanager-integration
[08:47] <Trevinho>  as that's a quite big rework that is going to be merged soon
[08:48] <zhangchao> cfhowlett: hi,What do you need to help in the design?a wallpaper?
[08:48] <handsome_feng> OK
[08:49] <cfhowlett> zhangchao, yep. Your designs are so outstanding!  I was hoping that someone from the Kylin team or community might contribute a wallpaper or 4 to Ubuntustudio for the 16.04 release!
[08:54] <zhangchao> cfhowlett: thanks,When do you need it?I'll ask about the timing of our designers.
[08:55] <handsome_feng> Trevinho, We are going to Tianjin tomorrow to attend the annual meeting, so i think i will do this next week
[08:55] <cfhowlett> zhangchao, we are running the contest from 10 January - 10 February so as to complete before Feature Freeze.   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase
[08:58] <zhangchao> cfhowlett: ok
[08:59] <cfhowlett> Many thanks zhangchao!
[09:00] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: I don't see the tooltip/quicklist anchor change...
[09:00] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: also, what about moving the dash?
[09:00] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: are you planning to do that in a different branch or what?
[09:01] <handsome_feng> er.. now have no plan to move the dash ...
[09:03] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: well, it should be somethin like http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/7062768.png when restored
[09:03] <Trevinho> with the panel not showing window buttons at all
[09:03] <Trevinho> otherwise there wont' be any connnection between the dash and the launcher...
[09:03] <Trevinho> and while pressing the BFB something far will open
[09:05] <handsome_feng> Ok... and about the tooltip/quicklist anchor, any pictures ?
[09:06] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-knc-K_RQ_CA/Tql1oI93zUI/AAAAAAAARek/NuDSNCw4Qzc/s800/unity.jpg
[09:07] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: or https://danslinux.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/9qdds.png
[09:08] <handsome_feng> ok, got it,you mean  the anchor should at center of the bottom.
[09:09] <handsome_feng> but in my branch it at the left of the bottom, right ?
[09:11] <handsome_feng> point take :)
[09:20] <hikiko> hello :)
[09:20] <handsome_feng> hi, hikiko
[09:20] <handsome_feng> no time no see
[09:20] <handsome_feng> long time
[09:21] <hikiko> :)
[09:21] <hikiko> how are you handsome_feng?
[09:21] <hikiko> happy new year!
[09:22] <handsome_feng> I'm fine . happy new year! where did you go for Christmas ?
[09:24] <hikiko> nowhere :)
[09:25] <hikiko> well, I spent them with my family but didn't travel anywhere
[09:25] <hikiko> what about you?
[09:25] <handsome_feng> i have no holidays... :(
[09:26] <hikiko> :(
[09:27] <hikiko> handsome_feng, isn't there any chinese celebration similar to christmas?
[09:28] <handsome_feng> yes, there will be a long holiday after half a mouth ! :)
[09:28] <hikiko> :D
[09:28] <handsome_feng> traditional Chinese New Year
[09:29] <hikiko> that celebration with the chinese dragons?
[09:30] <handsome_feng> no ,  the Nian
[09:31] <handsome_feng> I have to go to a parter now ...
[09:31] <handsome_feng> party..
[09:31] <hikiko> handsome_feng, aren't we suppose to have a meeting?
[09:31] <hikiko> (not sure)
[09:32] <handsome_feng> e, but the meeting is  already over..
[09:32] <hikiko> what?
[09:32] <hikiko> again?
[09:32] <hikiko> wtf what's wrong with my calendar :(
[09:32] <hikiko> I am really sorry
[09:33] <hikiko> in my calendar the meeting should start 2 minutes ago
[09:33] <zhangchao> hikiko: hi,your time later one hour...
[09:34] <hikiko> hi zhangchao
[09:34] <hikiko> I am sorry :/ I will change it
[09:35] <handsome_feng> it doesn't matter, hikiko, tolk to you next time :)
[09:37] <hikiko> noes :/ I refreshed it and now it shows 10:30 but I received the notification for 11:30 :/
[09:37] <hikiko> bye handsome_feng
[09:37] <hikiko> :)


[02:18] <SuperLag> 🤬
[02:26] <SuperLag> back to where I was before... it validates, but I get the same error as above
[03:04] <holmanb> SuperLag: got a reproducer? more info required to help
[05:12] <SuperLag> holmanb: sorry, had left for a bit. It looks as if the GPG key for the repo gets installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d, but the repo doesn't end up getting installed, so I must have the repo syntax wrong somehow
[05:12] <SuperLag> source: 'deb [signed-by=$KEYFILE] https://apt.releases.hashicorp.com $RELEASE main'
[05:16] <SuperLag> is $KEYFILE a default var?
[05:21] <SuperLag> I'm trying pointing to the location where the key ended up getting installed. --> [signed-by=/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/hashicorpsource.gpg]
[05:21] <SuperLag> might be a chicken egg scenario, but easy experiment
[05:23] <SuperLag> 💥
[17:48] <holmanb> SuperLag: figure it out?
[18:00] <SuperLag> yessir
[18:08] <meena> holmanb: thanks for all the help with that is_virtual pr
[18:09] <holmanb> meena: no problem
[18:10] <meena> I promise the next one will be much worse
[18:11] <holmanb> lol
[18:11] <minimal> I'm working on a is_virtual PR currently for Alpine
[18:12] <meena> minimal: are you using a helper, or doing it from scratch?
[18:13] <minimal> I'm using virt-what
[18:13] <holmanb> minimal: sounds good
[18:14] <meena> what happened to the eatmydata bug?
[18:14] <holmanb> minimal:  at some point we may want to make an openrc mixin if there is stuff that could also be useful for gentoo et al, but that can always be refactored out later
[18:14] <minimal> https://people.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-what/
[18:14] <holmanb> meena: it got filed on LP https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/2007400
[18:14] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 2007400 in cloud-init "eatmydata enabled by default results in apt packages not correctly installed" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[18:15] <minimal> holmanb: not sure. Gentoo seems to the the only distro using OpenRC that I'm aware of. I had a look at their bugtracker for cloud-init issues, not much there. Plus I think it is complicated by Gentoo being a "build it yourself" distro plus it supporting both systemd and OpenRC
[18:16] <meena> and systemd being the default
[18:17] <holmanb> meena: actually openrc is more widely used / default in gentoo
[18:17] <minimal> ah, Arch is OpenRC too, isn't it? and it is supports by c-i
[18:17] <holmanb> minimal: I think that the gentoo distro should maybe be split into two different implementations or something, haven't put that much thought into it
[18:18] <minimal> holmanb: yeah that would make sense
[18:18] <holmanb> minimal: arch is systemd
[18:19] <minimal> holmanb: right, it is officially systemd but OpenRC is also available. Their "arch-boxes" repo is using systemd with cloud-init
[18:19] <holmanb> minimal: huh, TIL
[18:21] <minimal> this is the Gentoo c-i bug list I was looking at: https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=app-emulation%2fcloud-init
[18:22] <minimal> Question: are DataSources checked strictly in the order they are listed? (e.g. in cloud.cfg or the default list)
[18:23] <holmanb> minimal: yes
[18:25] <minimal> ok, I might raise another PR then ;-) Was talking to someone recently who was using/fudging around with ConfigDrive for DigitalOcean....I was surprised as there is a DS for DO's metadata server (added to c-i in 2014) but as ConfigDrive comes before DigitalOcean in list I guess it checks that first (and I assume DO still provide ISO)
[18:26] <minimal> searching online all the DO docs I find about c-i seems to be from around 2018 and only refer to ConfigDrive, found no DO doc referring to their metadata server DS
[18:27] <minimal> plus saw some historical bugs where DO's ConfigDrive files were not fully compatible with OpenStack.
[18:27] <minimal> So thinking of raising a PR to move DigitalOcean before ConfigDrive in default list
[18:30] <holmanb> minimal: Ahh, interesting. Might be  a potential ds-identify issue too, would need to look at the implementation to know
[18:31] <minimal> it's weird DigitalOcean themselves don't seem to publish any docs about using their DS rather than ConfigDrive
[18:31] <holmanb> agreed
[18:34] <minimal> or that they don't stop providing ConfigDrive ISOs so it then skips onto their own DS. I guess they keep that for backward compatibility
[18:34] <SuperLag> holmanb: one weird *cosmetic* issue. No colored bash prompt like normal.
[18:34] <SuperLag> obviously, no big deal... but I wonder why
[18:35] <SuperLag> on first login, it's there. after first reboot, it's gone
[18:51] <minimal> holmanb: re the is_virtual for Alpine, don't hold back 23.1 release waiting for that, I can just patch the change into the Alpine package regardless of whether the (to be submitted) PR makes the release or not
[18:53] <holmanb> +1
[19:16] <minimal> any idea of realistic timescale for 23.1?
[19:32] <meena> minimal: as soon as my horrible patches are done :P
[19:32] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/2003 a week or six
[19:32] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 2003 in canonical/cloud-init "move get_ib_* functions to cloudinit.distros.networking" [Open]
[19:53] <holmanb> SuperLag: sounds out of scope for a cloud-init problem, but it sounds like you should be able to figure out the contents of your shell profile / configs by comparing your environment before and after
[19:55] <holmanb> meena: pr/2003 will probably have to go into 23.2
[19:58] <holmanb> minimal: a couple of cleanup / test fix PRs and getting last minute stuff we want in merged right now, so soon :)