[20:13] <scaine> BluesKaj : apparently there's a fix for smbclient, but I'm still seeing all my shares as read-only when autofs mounts them...
[20:13] <scaine> BluesKaj : But if you're using for NFS, it's probably unrelated to your issue.
[20:14] <amortvigil> what is the real benefit of karmic against jaunty?
[20:15] <Tekno> amortvigil: http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/247/10-things-new-about-ubuntu-karmic-koala-worth-taking-note-of
[20:15] <IdleOne> karmic will have Telepathy ( going to read our minds )
[20:15] <BluesKaj> scaine, yeah , i thought i could use autofs to automount the network shares but no luck there
[20:15] <KnifeySpooney> I upgraded to 9.10 from Jaunty and now my desktop effects can't be enabled
[20:16] <KnifeySpooney> I'm using an intel 946 gfx card and i have reinstalled the xserver-xorg-video-intel package
[20:16] <KnifeySpooney> Still doesn't work, any thoughts on why?
[20:17] <anselm> KnifeySpooney: do you have all compiz packages installed
[20:18] <KnifeySpooney> as far as i know, the desktop effects were working before I upgraded from jaunty
[20:18] <KnifeySpooney> it seems like compiz is working.. my keyboard shortcuts that work through compiz are still working
[20:19] <dupondje> how can I request a new upstream version into Karmic ?
[20:19] <dupondje> or is it to late already ?
[20:20] <joshposh> When Karmic boots, it starts the usual terminal session in the text console, but not GDM. I have to manually ALT+F7 to switch to x-org. Only after that the x-server start normally. Why is that so and how to fix it?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> joshposh, have you updated today ?
[20:22] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: any errors in Xorg.0.log?
[20:22] <joshposh> BluesKaj: no. today the updates seem broken
[20:22] <KnifeySpooney> Yeah, a few
[20:22] <JamesB192> I blame kernel 2.6.31-11 partially 8-)
[20:23] <KnifeySpooney> here's my thread with Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8015880
[20:25] <BluesKaj> joshposh, the stripped kernel modules that caused the login probs in yesterday's updates have been replaced and fixed in today's updates..well mostly anyway
[20:25] <scaine> Blueskaj : Well, I use autofs on my Jaunty laptop and it works a treat.  But on Karmic, that smbclient bug is killing it.
[20:26] <joshposh> BluesKaj: ok, thank you
[20:26] <AlanBell> dupondje: new version of what?
[20:27] <BluesKaj> scaine, my karmic laptop is running very slow with NFS , but haven't updated yet
[20:27] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: do you really have something like card0 in /dev/dri/ ?
[20:28] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: I ran $ sudo ls /dev/dri and got cannot access /dev/dri: No such file or directory
[20:28] <KnifeySpooney> But i have /dev/card0
[20:28] <yofel> not good...
[20:28] <scaine> Blueskaj : Yeah, I think I saw a thread about slow NFS performance on ubuntuforums...
[20:29] <BluesKaj> scaine, ok , I'm gonna update the laptop now ...
[20:30] <funkyHat> Has the user switcher applet just changed completely, or am I loading the wrong applet?
[20:30] <dupondje> AlanBell: SynCE
[20:31] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: hm... udev bug maybe? I don't have /dev/card0 here, so maybe it ended up at the wrong place
[20:31] <KnifeySpooney> should I try copying it or moving it over to /dev/dri?
[20:31] <billybigrigger> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:31] <billybigrigger>   erlang-base-hipe: Conflicts: erlang-base but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is installed.
[20:31] <billybigrigger>   erlang-base: Conflicts: erlang-base-hipe but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is to be installed
[20:32] <billybigrigger> anyone else get that dependancy problem within the last couple of days? or just me?
[20:32] <billybigrigger> haven't been around much in the last couple of weeks so i don't know if this is common
[20:32] <yofel> billybigrigger: just you
[20:32] <billybigrigger> yofel, thanks :P
[20:33] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: I dont know much about udev (dunno what it is), is there a way to reinstall it?
[20:33] <billybigrigger> Description: Erlang/OTP virtual machine and base applications
[20:33] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: I don't know too much about udev too, I only know that all files in /dev are generated by udev on boot
[20:33] <billybigrigger> never heard of this, has anyone else?
[20:34] <yofel> billybigrigger: I have erlang-base installed here, but not erlang-base-hipe
[20:34] <billybigrigger> looks to be a part of the meta package ubuntu-desktop
[20:35] <billybigrigger> i can't aptitude safe-upgrade because of this dependancy problem :(
[20:35] <yofel> billybigrigger: are both actually installed or just one of them?
[20:35] <ryancr> So I was trying out empathy.. but it doesn't seem to work with the message indicator applet or have the adium themes
[20:35] <billybigrigger> just erlang-base is installed, hipe isnt
[20:36] <ryancr> About says  2.28.0
[20:36] <ryancr> is there something else I need to install?
[20:36] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: I think my issue may be with Ubuntu-X, i'll do some looking around
[20:37] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance#Problem:%20/dev/dri/card0%20is%20missing
[20:37] <billybigrigger> yofel, should i purge erlang-base?
[20:38] <yofel> billybigrigger: maybe run aptitude in interactive mode and check what tries to install erlang-base-hipe?
[20:40] <billybigrigger> interactive mode?
[20:40] <billybigrigger> :P can't see anything about that option
[20:41] <yofel> billybigrigger: how about you just type 'sudo aptitude' and see what you get :P
[20:41] <billybigrigger> yofel, learn something new everyday, never seen this before haha
[20:42] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: I think i found it, going to reboot and see if it works - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/430876
[20:42]  * yofel wonders why everybody thinks that aptitude == apt-get while it's aptitude >> apt-get *sigh*
[20:42] <guntbert> billybigrigger: I resolved it by removing one of them with aptitude
[20:42] <IdleOne> billybigrigger: aptitude why package I think will do it
[20:43] <billybigrigger> i A couchdb        Depend erlang-base (>= 1:13.b.1-dfsg) | erlang-base-hipe (>= 1
[20:43] <billybigrigger>                    s      :13.b.1-dfsg)
[20:44] <yofel> that should only install one of them...
[20:45] <DanaG> hipe?  what's that?
[20:47] <billybigrigger> ok this is starting to get annoying :P
[20:47] <billybigrigger> purged both, aptitude still won't safe-upgrade
[20:47]  * cwillu pounces BUGabundo
[20:48] <billybigrigger> same error message, so i installed erlang-base-hipe, and erlang-base, and still same error
[20:57] <joshposh_> Hi channel, Karmic doesnt boot to x-org, it only boots to an ordinary text console. I have to manually switch to the seventh console by ALT+F7. After that, GDM starts normally. Btw, I have the latest updates installed. Why does Karmic not boot normally?
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> joshposh_: is it a new install?
[21:00] <joshposh_> ActionParsnip: I installed 2 weeks ago
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> joshposh_: did you verify the ISO you downloaded? Did you verify the CD once first booted to?
[21:01] <joshposh_> at first it worked normally, then after some upgrade it got broken. I use autologin btw.
[21:02] <cwillu> does it work if you turn off autologin?
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> joshposh_: what happened just before it started failing
[21:03] <joshposh_> ActionParsnip: I did not verify the CD. I dont think this is necessary since it worked before the updates. I cant remember the date when it started to fail.
[21:03] <joshposh_> cwillu: good question. I will try that.
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> joshposh_: true, yuo should always verify the cd though, bad CDs make bad installs
[21:05] <joshposh_> yes. I'm off to some reboot now.
[21:07] <JamesB192> my Karmic Kubuntu complained of a missing dev node /dev/fb0 or some such when it did that. 'startx' worked though.
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> !karmic | JamesB192
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> oops
[21:08] <Rods_Tiger> Karmic Ubuntu Netbook Remix doesn't work according to the instructions for making a usb drive on OS X - it's incapable of booting, and it misses each time, simply going through to the internal SSD on the netbook. The previous 9.04 UNR didn't have this problem with USB drives.
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> my bad
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> need coffee
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> JamesB192: if you can get the exact device, i'll see what i can find
[21:08] <joshposh_> Still having the same problem. Turning off autologin didnt work
[21:09] <KnifeySpooney> My upgrade from jaunty to karmic left the /dev/dri folder missing, and card0 (which should be in /dev/dri/card0) is in /dev/
[21:09] <JamesB192> 1,3,7-trimethylxantine, oh what it does to me...
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> KnifeySpooney: does a symlink make it ok?
[21:11] <JamesB192> '(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory' is what I found in the log from a little under 7 hours in the future.'
[21:12]  * JamesB192 blinks, 'my computer is prescient. or I need to set up the clock right.'
[21:12] <cwillu> JamesB192, pastebin the entire log
[21:13] <cwillu> apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /var/log/dmesg
[21:13] <KnifeySpooney> ActionParsnip: I made one, i'll try checking by restarting X
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> JamesB192: seems common
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> JamesB192: i'll let yuo know what i find
[21:14] <DanaG> JamesB192: looks like time-zone issues.
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> JamesB192: someone got it fixed with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:14] <DanaG> I've had "last time is in the future" stuff... where it'll be calling UTC, PDT, or vice versa.
[21:15] <JamesB192> where is the option to change the local machines hw clock to/from UTC/local?
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> JamesB192: are you using a SiS VGA card?
[21:16] <cwillu> JamesB192, hwclock has options to do that, and /etc/default/... has the system settings relevant to the task
[21:17] <JamesB192> most (all) machine converting from windows will be local timed hwcock.
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> lol @ hwcocl
[21:17] <JamesB192> No, my video chip is an ATI northbridge.
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> ok cool, theres a bug with the same error but for sis
[21:18] <JamesB192> /var/log/kdm.log -> http://pastebin.com/f133459c2
[21:19] <dupondje> jaiks :(
[21:19] <cwillu> ActionParsnip, smells like a udev change
[21:19] <dupondje> huge queue on Karmic PPA builders :(
[21:19] <cwillu> JamesB192, /var/log/dmesg?
[21:19] <JamesB192> dmesg -> http://pastebin.com/f64bee9ad
[21:20] <Rods_Tiger> has anyone anywhere managed to actually make a working USB drive with Karmic UNR on, using OS X?
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> cwillu: kinda
[21:21] <DanaG> hmm, is it possible to netboot an ubuntu livecd?
[21:21] <DanaG> that is, boot from tftp?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: mac os has the dd command
[21:21] <cwillu> DanaG, not out of the box afaik, that would be quite useful though
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: just dd it over like in ubuntu
[21:21] <DanaG> yeah, especially with gigabit ethernet.  =þ
[21:21] <KnifeySpooney> ActionParsnip: Thanks! A symbolic link at /dev/dri/card0 worked. Now how do I set udev to do this correctly on boot?
[21:21] <DanaG> I can set up a tftp server, but I'd need a compatible disk.
[21:21] <DanaG> er, image.
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> KnifeySpooney: erm, does the link not stay after reboot?
[21:22] <KnifeySpooney> Oh
[21:22] <KnifeySpooney> I don't know
[21:22] <Rods_Tiger> yes I know it has the dd command, it had the dd command when I was doing it with 9.04 USB drives, but now, using the same procedure, it doesn't work with 9.10 USB drives.
[21:22] <KnifeySpooney> haven't used a symlink before :p
[21:22] <cwillu> DanaG, the live cd would need to be configured to use nfs, which I think doesn't play well with the rest of the setup or something along those lines
[21:22] <KnifeySpooney> I'll reboot and see
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> KnifeySpooney: submit a bug too :D
[21:22] <cwillu> DanaG, there was discussion on the mailing list a few years back discussing the issues, I don't have the link handy though
[21:22] <DanaG> hmm, no way to just load it all into memory all at once?
[21:22] <DanaG> hmm, can you at least tftp-boot the full alternate cd?
[21:23] <cwillu> heh, tftp doesn't have error detection afaik :)
[21:23] <vistakiller> anyone knows where kmail storage settings expect .kmail?
[21:23] <cwillu> not sure I'd want to see what happens tftp'ing 700mb :)
[21:24] <yofel> ActionParsnip: nothing you change in /dev survives a reboot since it's a tmpfs and it's contents are generated by udev
[21:24] <Rods_Tiger> I suspect that nobody anywhere in the world has successfully made a working Karmic UNR USB drive - it simply doesn't work anymore, using exactly the same instructions that used to with 9.04
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> yofel: i see, i wasnt aware. Learned something new today
[21:24] <Rods_Tiger> the netbook simply whizzes past it, failing to stop and boot from it
[21:25] <cwillu> Rods_Tiger, do you know for a fact that the netbook will boot from that particular usb stick?  (not every machine will boot from every usb stick)
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: check your bios can boot usb
[21:25] <Rods_Tiger> well, it was doing it perfectly fine from a 9.04 one the other day
[21:25] <cwillu> with the same stick?
[21:25] <Rods_Tiger> what on earth? did the BIOS suddenly get changed somehow?
[21:26] <Rods_Tiger> of course same stick
[21:26] <cwillu> could be, just check it :p
[21:26] <Rods_Tiger> I'm using the boot menu
[21:26] <cwillu> and it doesn't show up I'm guessing
[21:26] <Rods_Tiger> look, you can find all sorts of peripheral reasons that this is happening, or you can just accept that the 9.10 UNR doesn't work and the 9.04 did
[21:26] <Rods_Tiger> nothing else has changed
[21:27] <Rods_Tiger> same netbook, same Mac, same USB drive, same process, different file
[21:27] <tsoncul> Rods_Tiger: I have a working karmic UNR USB disk
[21:27] <cwillu> Rods_Tiger, look, you could make up all sorts of excuses why were shouldn't be thorough this one time, or you could just accept the fact that we don't jump to conclusions, and the faster you give answers with less attitude, the quicker you'll get actual help
[21:27] <Rods_Tiger> made on OS X?
[21:27] <tsoncul> Rods_Tiger: Win XP
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: did you verify the file was ok with md5 check?
[21:27] <Rods_Tiger> then that's irrelevant - I'm talking about OS X
[21:27] <cwillu> Rods_Tiger, here I am looking through bug reports with your symptoms, and I'm really tempted to just go do laundry instead
[21:28] <tsoncul> cwillu: I'm waiting for the dryer to get emptied.
[21:28] <Rods_Tiger> so what do I do?
[21:28] <cwillu> tsoncul, as am I :p
[21:29] <tsoncul> Rods_Tiger: Anyway, I had a problem at first because I didn't format the flashdrive first
[21:29] <tsoncul> Rods_Tiger: Might be worth a try
[21:29] <Rods_Tiger> I've done that
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: if the image is bad it may have corruption in the bootable bit of the image
[21:29] <Rods_Tiger> I've downloaded it many times, just to be sure
[21:29] <tsoncul> Do an MD5 check
[21:29] <vistakiller> anyone else have this bug to kmail? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161044
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> Rods_Tiger: it could be corrupt every time. you need to check
[21:30] <Rods_Tiger> could be
[21:30] <aliendude5300> How come I can't select certain packages for update even though they are listed?
[21:31] <tsoncul> aliendude: Their dependencies might not have made it to the archives yet
[21:31] <cwillu> aliendude5300, means they're dependant on other packages that can't be updated for whatever reason;  if it offers to do a 'partial update' when you click update, then let it do it
[21:31] <aliendude5300> In particular -- epiphany-browser, mysql-server, mysql-server-5.0, and ubuntu-desktop...
[21:31] <aliendude5300> No partial update offered.
[21:31] <tsoncul> ubuntu-desktop is on queue for me too
[21:31] <cwillu> okay, just wait a day and do it again
[21:32] <aliendude5300> tsoncul, cwillu: how can I check what dependencies the packages have?
[21:32] <tsoncul> sudo apt-cache --help
[21:32] <aliendude5300> They have been like that for several weeks now.
[21:32] <tsoncul> I can't remember the option now
[21:32] <KnifeySpooney> I think it has to do with /dev/dri not being a directory unless I make it one.. then the directory doesn't appear after reboot
[21:32] <yofel> apt-cache depends <package>
[21:33] <aliendude5300> dylan@DYLANTAYLOR-PC:~$ sudo apt-cache depends mysql-server
[21:33] <aliendude5300> mysql-server
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: mysql-server-5.1
[21:33] <tsoncul> yofel: thanks.
[21:33] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: give me a moment to write something up
[21:33] <aliendude5300> dylan@DYLANTAYLOR-PC:~$ sudo apt-cache depends mysql-server-5.0
[21:33] <aliendude5300> mysql-server-5.0
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: mysql-client-5.0
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: libdbi-perl
[21:33] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: Ok thanks
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: perl
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: libc6
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: libgcc1
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: libmysqlclient15off
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: libncurses5
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: libreadline5
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: libstdc++6
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: zlib1g
[21:33] <aliendude5300>  |Depends: debconf
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: <debconf-2.0>
[21:33] <aliendude5300>     cdebconf
[21:33] <aliendude5300>     debconf
[21:33] <aliendude5300>   Depends: psmisc
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Depends: passwd
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Depends: lsb-base
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Depends: mysql-server-core-5.0
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   PreDepends: mysql-common
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   PreDepends: adduser
[21:34] <Crashbit> aliendude5300: ?¿
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   PreDepends: debconf
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Suggests: tinyca
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Suggests: mailx
[21:34] <aliendude5300>     bsd-mailx
[21:34] <aliendude5300>     heirloom-mailx
[21:34] <aliendude5300>     mailutils
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Suggests: mysql-doc-5.0
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: use pastebin
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Recommends: libhtml-template-perl
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Conflicts: mysql-server
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Replaces: <mysql-enterprise-server-5.0>
[21:34] <aliendude5300>   Replaces: mysql-server
[21:34] <aliendude5300> hmm...
[21:34] <aliendude5300> mysql-server-5.0 conflicts with mysql-server.
[21:34] <aliendude5300> mysql-server requires mysql-server5.1 not 5.0
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> !paste | aliendude5300
[21:34] <aliendude5300> sorry :/ didnt realize how many lines I was copying until I pasted it...
[21:34] <Flakeparadigm> Hello
[21:35] <aliendude5300> What
[21:35] <JamesB192> just out of curiousity when was the last change to udev or its accompanying init scripts?
[21:35] <aliendude5300> oops sent that to the wrong channel :/
[21:35] <cwillu> Rods_Tiger, is it only the unr that doesn't work?
[21:36] <tsoncul> aliendude: There was some chatter a couple of days ago about mysql. As far as I can remember, they're waiting for some updates on dependencies, and there is a problem somewhere
[21:36] <tsoncul> aliendude: I did'n pay too much attention at the time, sorry.
[21:36] <Flakeparadigm> With the Nvidia drivers I am able to use composting, but I cannot configure multiple displays. The Nvidia control panel requires xorg.conf (Which no longer exists) and the KDE settings manager doesn't recognize a second montor.
[21:36] <Flakeparadigm> what should I do to get the second monitor to work?
[21:37] <tsoncul> aliendude: It'll probably update when the dependencies are also updated.
[21:37] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, you need to use an xorg.conf; nvidia-settings can write a useable one
[21:37] <aliendude5300> When will the changes that are supposed to make Ubuntu boot in 10 seconds be applied? It takes like 30 seconds now... :/
[21:37] <Jordan_U> Flakeparadigm: You can create an xorg.conf, it's still used if it exists
[21:37] <aliendude5300> Also, what
[21:37] <aliendude5300> What's the progress on xsplash
[21:37]  * aliendude5300 can't type today :(
[21:38] <KnifeySpooney> I thought they wanted 10-second times by Lucid
[21:38] <cwillu> aliendude5300, 10 seconds is a target, not a known set of updates that merely have to be applied
[21:38] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: It's not a single group of changes, it's a process. The 10 second goal is for 10.04
[21:38] <KnifeySpooney> and the 10 second goal IIRC is for a netbook running remix?
[21:39] <arand> and the 10s is only for a specific model, which sopposedly should be a good average..
[21:39] <Flakeparadigm> Jordan_U and cwillu Ok,thanks
[21:39] <aliendude5300> I've noticed an increase of boot time on my Core i7 machine, and a decrease on my Intel Core2 Quad Machine...
[21:39] <Jordan_U> KnifeySpooney: I think it's for a specific netbook running standard Ubuntu, not UNR
[21:39] <aliendude5300> The increase on the Core i7 is HUGE. It used to boot in like 15 seconds now it takes 30-45
[21:39] <arand> It's meant for intel atom+SSD Hd
[21:39] <KnifeySpooney> ah
[21:39] <Jordan_U> Flakeparadigm: np
[21:40] <cwillu> aliendude5300, check your /etc/init/ and make sure there's no jobs that you thought you disabled that have appeared there
[21:40]  * cwillu picks a piece of glass out of his foot, and wipes the blood off the floor :(
[21:40] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: i have to run for now, thanks for the help so far
[21:40] <cwillu> owwie
[21:40] <Flakeparadigm> JordanI get a "Failure to parse existing X configuration" after "touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[21:41] <Flakeparadigm> Jordan_U^
[21:41] <arand> I don't know if there's anything more planned for xsplash, but I sure hope the is, since atm the switch xsplash-facebrowser-xsplash-desktop is _very_ ugly.
[21:41] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, have you run nvidia-settings yet?
[21:41] <aliendude5300> On the Core2 Quad machine, here is my /etc/init folder: http://pastebay.com/57571
[21:42] <aliendude5300> I'll have to get on the other machine to check that...
[21:42] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: yes
[21:42] <arand> Also the fact that it has no progress bar makes it look really crude...
[21:42] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, run nvidia-settings, go to "X Server Display Configuration", get things working, and then do "Save to X Configuration File", and save the file somewhere.  Then sudo cp /home/flake/thatFile /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot
[21:43] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, get multiple monitors working from inside that tool first though
[21:43] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, you'll need to set "Configuration" to "TwinView"
[21:45] <aliendude5300> What file contains messages that appear when a system starts up? I think it was something like dmesg
[21:45] <cwillu> aliendude5300, /var/log/dmesg contains what "dmesg" spat out during boot
[21:45] <aliendude5300> Theres some error on my Core i7 Machine that says something like unsupported bios, please report.
[21:45] <aliendude5300> I have my Core i7 machine on now... Im gonna VNC into that and get that file...
[21:46] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: How do I save it in a custom location?
[21:46] <cwillu> aliendude5300, ugh, vnc? :p  get ssh on there and then just use sftp:// in nautilus :p
[21:46]  * aliendude5300 loves the "Hosts nearby" feature of the default Remote desktop viewer
[21:46] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, why would you want to?
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: why not ssh, you can pastebni the file and copy the url
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: much slicker
[21:46]  * aliendude5300 has no idea how to get SSH working and I'd assume it's harder than VNC
[21:47] <cwillu> it's not harder than vnc, and its actually secure
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> done
[21:47] <JamesB192> only if you want transperant X forwarding.
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: then to connect: ssh user@server
[21:47] <aliendude5300> on host machine or guest?
[21:47] <cwillu> well, make sure you've got good passwords, or use certificates instead (which is one config change to disable password logons, and one command to create the certificate)
[21:47] <guntbert> aliendude5300: was that something like : piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.0: SMBus base address uninitialized - upgrade BIOS or use force_addr=0xaddr ?
[21:47] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: It doesn't save anywhere when I click "Save to X Configuration File" because it fails to parse the existing file.
[21:48] <JamesB192> oh wait, you just have to edit one file.
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: ssh user@server    on the client
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> JamesB192: x forwarding is default enabled on openssh-server
[21:48] <aliendude5300> installing server using VNC now...
[21:48] <aliendude5300> then gonna try to connect
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: you can also forward X apps to systems using ssh -X user@server
[21:48] <JamesB192> I guess I'm wrong then.
[21:48] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, save it to a different file
[21:49] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, and don't "merge with existing file"
[21:49] <aliendude5300> what do you mean forward X apps? Like firefox windows? 0.o
[21:49] <aliendude5300> That's sweet
[21:49] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: So like I asked, how do I save it to a different file then?
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: yes, the app runs on the remote system but s displayed on the client system
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> is*
[21:50] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, you click "save to x config file", and then pick a different file name in the window that pops up?
[21:50] <aliendude5300> holy crap that's awesome!
[21:50] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, you have to be in "X Server Display Configuration"
[21:50] <aliendude5300> now how do I access the files on the other machine in Nautilus?
[21:50] <cwillu> aliendude5300, if you're familiar with screen, then "xpra" will also be useful to you (basically lets you disconnect windows and reconnect them on different machines)
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: you can use filesharing with samba etc
[21:51] <cwillu> aliendude5300, address bar<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:51] <JamesB192> it works great with putty and xming on windows as the client end too.
[21:51] <cwillu> ActionParsnip, if he's got ssh, he can just go to an sftp address
[21:51] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: that's where I am. When I click "Save to X Configuration File" it gives me the error, and I don't know how to save anywhere else.
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: you can also run gedit on the remote system and read the files on the system too
[21:51] <aliendude5300> Can I use openssh-server to become the user on the other machine through nautilus file browser?
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> cwillu: that too
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: sure you can
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: ssh makes vnc look like a useless slow POS
[21:52] <aliendude5300> $ gedit /var/log/dmesg
[21:52] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, that's odd; which version of nvidia-settings do you have installed?
[21:52] <aliendude5300> (gedit:5741): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[21:52] <aliendude5300> ehh...?
[21:52] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, dpkg-query --status nvidia-settings|grep Version
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: did yu connect with -X
[21:53] <aliendude5300> oh... thats it.
[21:53] <cwillu> aliendude5300, wait
[21:53] <cwillu> wait
[21:53] <JamesB192> yeah, but some users gots to get their GUI.
[21:53] <aliendude5300> omfg is that using my gedit or the the one installed remotely?
[21:53] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: 180.25-0 (The latest I assume?)
[21:53] <cwillu> aliendude5300, just go to the file in nautilus;  gedit (and pretty much all other gnome apps) can access files over ssh natively via gvfs
[21:53] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, 180.25-0ubuntu1 is what I'm running
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: on the remote, if you launched it from the ssh session
[21:54] <cwillu> aliendude5300, that'll be faster
[21:54] <[em]matrix>  why doesn't the wireless network connect app for the alpha 6 kubuntu autodetect the encryption type. I mean, what if i don't know the specific type, wpa-personal, wpa-blah blah, wpa-etc, i mean, it is like a guessing game and it will only work if i set the right one.
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> aliendude5300: try opening  a file and analyse the files available
[21:54] <aliendude5300> http://pastebay.com/57572 <-- thats my dmesg on the Core i7 Machine.
[21:54] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: I had to remove the xorg.conf I made originally
[21:54] <aliendude5300> [   28.418693] acerhdf: Acer Aspire One Fan driver, v.0.5.16
[21:54] <aliendude5300> [   28.418696] acerhdf: unknown (unsupported) BIOS version Gateway/FX6800-01e/R01-A1  , please report, aborting!
[21:55] <aliendude5300> that's the line that says to report it.
[21:55] <aliendude5300> so what should I do?
[21:56] <aliendude5300> I have a launchpad account... should I make a new error on the package acerhdf?
[21:56] <JamesB192> not auto load drivers for the wrong hardware?
[21:56] <lika> hi guys, i bought a new sony laptop, installed kubuntu karmic, and skype on it. mic doesn't work on skype. I turned on all the mixer options. can anyone help?
[21:56] <cwillu> aliendude5300, seems reasonable :)
[21:57] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: It's all up and working now. Thanks
[21:57] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, \o/
[21:57] <cwillu> aliendude5300, "ubuntu-bug linux" would be a good start (I don't think acerhdf has a separate package, but I could be wrong, in which case it'd be "ubuntu-bug acerhdf-source" or whatever)
[21:57] <cwillu> aliendude5300, ... in a terminal
[21:58] <aliendude5300> What the hell? When I try to report a bug I get taken to a page explaining how to report using apport :/
[21:58] <aliendude5300> How do I turn that off?
[21:58] <cwillu> aliendude5300, ubuntu-bug
[21:59] <Trewas> aliendude5300: that bug has been reported several times already, and is apparently harmless
[21:59] <cwillu> we're discouraging the direct use of launchpad for many classes of bugs, because it just results in a back and forth to get all the required logs uploaded, which ubuntu-bug <package> does automatically
[22:00] <wastrel> woo nice one X just crashed
[22:00] <DanaG> mmmyeah, slow boot... sucks.
[22:03] <nemo> AAAAGH Pulseaudio sucks so very very much
[22:03] <nemo> I have to kill it and restart it 2 out of 3 times before starting a DVD
[22:03] <cwillu> well, no, it really doesn't :p
[22:03] <nemo> otherwise I get stutters
[22:03] <nemo> then there is the freezing on closing totem
[22:03] <nemo> the lockups in wesnoth and hedgewars
[22:03] <nemo> the screwing up of my channels
[22:03] <nemo> the lame ass new interface
[22:03] <cwillu> have you customized any of the pulseaudio config files?
[22:03] <nemo> HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT
[22:03] <nemo> cwillu: tried
[22:03] <aliendude5300> reported that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/437836
[22:03] <cwillu> nemo, undo those changes
[22:03] <nemo> oh well. back to the dvd in the lameass audio system
[22:03] <nemo> cwillu: those were reverted long ago
[22:04] <nemo> god
[22:04] <nemo> just because a few people need bluetooth or something
[22:04] <nemo> we have to suffer release after release of something that is so not ready for primetime
[22:04] <nemo> just embarassing
[22:04] <nemo> and I'm just keeping it to support people who are suffering through pulseaudio that I know
[22:04] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: Ok, now my composting isn't working. It says that the required x extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not available.
[22:04] <nemo> or for hedgewars dev
[22:04]  * nemo sobs
[22:04] <nemo> back to dvd
[22:04] <Flakeparadigm> any ideas?
[22:04] <aliendude5300> Can anyone tell me how to disable redirection permanently upon clicking Report a bug in launchpad?
[22:04] <cwillu> nemo, you do realize that you're actually in the minority?  that it actually works flawlessly for the vast majority of people?
[22:05] <cwillu> aliendude5300, did you read my comment above?
[22:05] <cwillu> aliendude5300, it's a launchpad change
[22:05] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, one sec, let me check my settings
[22:05] <aliendude5300> can it be disabled?
[22:05] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: Thanks
[22:06] <aliendude5300> I hate it :/
[22:06] <cwillu> aliendude5300, can you disable it?  not that I know of; the way the website works has been changed
[22:06] <cwillu> aliendude5300, is there some reason you can't use ubuntu-bug?
[22:06] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, pastebin your xorg.conf as it is now
[22:06] <aliendude5300> how do I use ubuntu-bug?
[22:06] <cwillu> aliendude5300, ...
[22:06] <cwillu> scroll up, read the instructions I told you :p
[22:07] <aliendude5300> oh...
[22:07]  * aliendude5300 *facepalm*
[22:07] <aliendude5300> I still liked the old launchpad SO MUCH better...
[22:07] <cwillu> that's nice
[22:08] <cwillu> you realize how many bugs just stayed at "incomplete" because required logs never got attached?
[22:08] <aliendude5300> For example, feature requests can't be submitted without appending unnecessary logs any more...
[22:09] <cwillu> that's also nice :p
[22:09]  * cwillu suggests taking this conversation to #launchpad
[22:09] <ryancr> is there an app (installed by default) that will play a source from line-in
[22:09] <cwillu> in the mean time... :p
[22:09] <penguin42> cwillu: Can I ask what do I do in the case of a fail to boot/fail to install bug or where I don't know which package it is?
[22:09] <ryancr> soundrecorder will record line -in but just play it directly
[22:09] <aliendude5300> :(
[22:10] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: http://pastebin.ca/1581843
[22:10] <DanaG> weird... when I rebooted, after xsplash went away, it showed me the contents of my desktop from before the shutdown.
[22:11] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, did you use twinview or xinerama in nvidia-config?
[22:11] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: xinerama
[22:12] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, so you missed the part when I said you need to use "twinview"? :;p
[22:12] <DanaG> IT also takes an annoyingly long time to boot.
[22:12] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: I've used twinview and I don't think there is anything more annoying. haha
[22:12] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, eh?
[22:12] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20090927-3.png
[22:13] <cwillu> and so you use xinerama, which is the exact same thing minus support for acceleration? :;p
[22:13] <aliendude5300> DanaG: how did you generate that image?
[22:13] <DanaG> bootchart.
[22:13] <DanaG> !info bootchart
[22:13] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: My acceleration was cut when I tried twinview, before going to xinerama. In jaunty it works fine with xinerama :P
[22:15] <Flakeparadigm> And it's not the exact same thing ;) twinview screws up a bucnh of things like maximizing windows. Maximize something in twinview and it will go across all monitors.
[22:15] <DanaG> any tips for speeding up boot?
[22:15] <aliendude5300> hrmm...
[22:15] <aliendude5300> Parsing /var/log/bootchart
[22:15] <DanaG> It's taking way, way longer than it did in Jaunty.
[22:15] <aliendude5300> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 0
[22:15] <aliendude5300> 	at org.bootchart.Main.render(Unknown Source)
[22:15] <aliendude5300> 	at org.bootchart.Main.main(Unknown Source)
[22:15] <aliendude5300> not working for me :(
[22:16] <DanaG> You have to reboot with it installed, to get a chart.
[22:16] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, no it won't, unless nvidia's internal xinerama-compatible api isn't loaded, which it isn't unless twinview was enabled when x started via xorg.conf
[22:16] <Twigathy> Flakeparadigm: I can maximise windows just fine to one screen using twinview...
[22:16] <Flakeparadigm> weird. I've tried before several times. Let me see again
[22:16] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, tip:  when I tell you to do something with out using any weasel words, you'd wise to do what I say :)
[22:17] <DanaG> weasel words?
[22:17] <aliendude5300> where would that chart be saved?
[22:17] <cwillu> DanaG, "I'm not sure, but I think..."
[22:17] <DanaG> /var/log/bootchart/
[22:17] <DanaG> it's a directory.
[22:17] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: I was going off of issues I've had before.
[22:17] <DanaG> As far as I'm concerned, sreadahead is a miserable failure.
[22:18] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, http://pastebin.com/f5dc2f704 is my xorg.conf here (on jaunty), I can get you the working karmic config file as well if you like
[22:18] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, http://pastebin.com/f2ce14ced is karmic
[22:18] <bucky> cwillu you mean like the ones in apt-cache show nvidia-180-libvdpau
[22:18] <cwillu> bucky, I'm sorry?
[22:19] <Flakeparadigm> cwillu: everything is ok now. Things have changed since I last set up any configurations. Composting worked in xinerama at one time? oh well
[22:19] <bucky> cwillu nvidia's internal xinerama-compatible api ?
[22:19] <Flakeparadigm> thanks
[22:19] <cwillu> Flakeparadigm, it never did, but it might have been silently disabled at one time
[22:20] <cwillu> bucky, twinview (and mergedfb in the radeon world) contains a compatible implementation of the xinerama api so that maximization onto single screens works properly; always has as far as I can remember
[22:20] <bucky> ic
[22:20] <cwillu> bucky, it's internal to the standard nvidia driver
[22:20] <KnifeySpooney> Does anybody else get icons under the System menu in Karmic?
[22:21] <aliendude5300> too bad you can't turn a computer on remotely :/ That would make SSH/VNC much more practical...
[22:22] <cwillu> DanaG, you don't have a bootchart from before the updates do you?
[22:22] <aliendude5300> would save so much electricity too
[22:22] <lika> how can I install a new theme. for example thnkpnk.tar.gz
[22:22] <DanaG> hmm, when were the init updates?
[22:22] <cwillu> DanaG, less than a month ago :p
[22:22] <cwillu> (not sure)
[22:23] <DanaG> I have some from.... argh, what month is 7?  Damn Caesars, coming around and messing up the month numbering.
[22:23] <DanaG> Ah, July.
[22:23] <DanaG> (Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar.)
[22:23] <JamesB192> aliendude5300: some of them you can. I forget the details though.
[22:23] <aliendude5300> How do I copy a file from a remote machine to my machine over SSH?
[22:23] <DanaG> scp
[22:24] <DanaG> scp host:path localpath
[22:24] <cwillu> DanaG, it's 9
[22:24] <cwillu> DanaG, okay, let me see it :)
[22:24] <JamesB192> I do remember that I has a minimum hardware requirement and involves the sending of a single ethernet packet.
[22:25] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20090703-1.png
[22:25] <DanaG> that's a while ago.
[22:26] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20090801-1.png
[22:27] <ranslate> help
[22:27] <pwnguin> and thats with an fsck
[22:27] <ranslate> is ubuntu nicw?
[22:27] <ranslate> nice
[22:27] <Twigathy> http://twigathy.com/corona-karmic-20090719-1.png <-- I prefer my disk throughput here ;)
[22:27] <ranslate> all sofware works in ubuntu or no
[22:27] <DanaG> Granted, that fsck was one of a tiny, nonused boot partition.
[22:27] <ryancr> does empathy work with adium themes and message-indicator applet?
[22:28] <JamesB192> aliendude5300: I think it was WoL --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN
[22:28] <DanaG> Why is my boot so horribly long?
[22:28] <cwillu> god you're whiny today
[22:28] <pwnguin> because your throughput is crap
[22:28] <diverse_izzue> ryancr, yes and yes
[22:29] <DanaG> hmm, but there's a whole lotta' thrashin' going on.
[22:29] <pwnguin> thrashing == crap throughput
[22:29] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20090922-1.png
[22:29] <ryancr> diverse_izzue: hmm, I ask because mine does not ;(
[22:29] <DanaG> s/but //
[22:30] <DanaG> Is that before, or after?
[22:30] <KnifeySpooney> For some reason, when I upgraded from Jaunty to Karmic, my /dev/dri/card0 has been moved to /dev/card0, and the /dev/dri/ directory does not exist. Help?
[22:30] <Twigathy> DanaG: it's a bit crazy that you get boots twice as long and I don't have a local disk
[22:30] <pwnguin> its because you dont have local disk
[22:30] <diverse_izzue> ryancr, installing adium themes cannot be done via GUI yet, you have to put them ~/.local/share/adium/message-styles
[22:30] <cwillu> Twigathy, network disk can be blazingly fast if it's coming from ram
[22:30] <pwnguin> crazy ntfs mounts
[22:30] <diverse_izzue> then they become available through the settings dialogue
[22:30] <DanaG> oh, and that 9/22 one is with sreadahead and readahead disabled.
[22:31] <cwillu> DanaG, have you done any io tuning previously that you recall?
[22:31] <DanaG> s/and/or/
[22:31] <DanaG> I don't think so.
[22:31] <ryancr> diverse_izzue: ill try that thanks
[22:31] <pwnguin> DanaG: when was the last time you did a profile run?
[22:31] <cwillu> DanaG, single drive
[22:31] <cwillu> ?
[22:31] <penguin42> KnifeySpooney: I could swear there was someone else who had that - anything else weird about your /dev ? e.g. do you have /dev/pts ?
[22:31] <DanaG> hmm, oddly enough, even on Jaunty, doing a profile made it load too many files -- and actually lengthened the boot.
[22:32] <DanaG> And now sreadahead ("for ssds") has replaced readahead.
[22:32] <DanaG> s/ssd/SSD/
[22:32] <cwillu> DanaG, can you pastebin your fstb?
[22:32] <cwillu> fstab rather
[22:32] <KnifeySpooney> penguin42: Yes, typing 'ls /dev/pts' outputs '0'
[22:32] <aliendude5300> http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7559/familykarmic200909271.png <== WAAY too slow
[22:32] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f232a0163
[22:32] <cwillu> thanks
[22:33] <Twigathy> 2 minutes on an i7! O_O
[22:33] <virtuald> danag: are you saying i shouldn't use sreadahead as i don't have an ssd?
[22:33] <pwnguin> aliendude5300: fahcore_78.exe?
[22:33] <DanaG> You can't NOT use it... because now ubuntu-desktop depends on it.
[22:33] <Pad> wtf? Oo
[22:33] <jrgp> I just upgraded to karmic from jaunty and on boot it hangs on "starting init crypto disks"
[22:33] <DanaG> that's folding@home, a Mono thingy.
[22:33] <aliendude5300> .exe?!? that doesnt sound good?
[22:33] <DanaG> yeah, the exe confused me, too.
[22:33] <DanaG> =þ
[22:33] <jrgp> aliendude5300: mono apps always end in .exe
[22:34] <aliendude5300> ... thats annoying
[22:34] <pwnguin> well that will do it
[22:34] <DanaG> oh yeah, I do have data=journal.  I forgot about that.
[22:34] <aliendude5300> reminds me of windblows
[22:34] <DanaG> =þ
[22:34] <DanaG> But all the old ones were the same, with data=journal.
[22:34] <cwillu> DanaG, but is that a recent change?
[22:34] <pwnguin> aliendude5300: you realize that folding@home is starving the rest of boot?
[22:35] <aliendude5300> Anyways, I don't get why my system took 125 seconds to boot on a Core i7 when it takes 10 sec on a freakin Intel Atom Netbook CPU
[22:35] <ryancr> diverse_izzue: great that works.. any thoughts on why empathy doesn't seem to register with message-initicator applet
[22:35] <pwnguin> aliendude5300: you might replace it with a startup script to make folding@home wait 60 second before starting
[22:35] <penguin42> aliendude5300: That's a bit of a difference!
[22:35] <virtuald> aliendude5300: .exe is a nail in the eye reminding you who owns .NET
[22:35]  * aliendude5300 hates .NET
[22:35] <cwillu> DanaG, can you set your root drive to ordered rather than full journalling just for a test?
[22:36] <aliendude5300> mono shouldnt be installed by defauly
[22:36] <penguin42> aliendude5300: Now, to be fair are you running exactly the same thing on your i7 machine and your atom?
[22:36] <aliendude5300> default*
[22:36] <cwillu> DanaG, wondering if it might be more extensive syncing
[22:36] <DanaG> sure.  I just need to dig up the tune2fs flags.  =P
[22:36] <cwillu> DanaG, -o journal_data_ordered
[22:36] <pwnguin> DanaG: it's probably poor layout of your files, internally and together. readahead should do better than that.
[22:36] <aliendude5300> Not my Atom machine... someone said something about Ubuntu meeting a 10 sec goal on an Intel Atom.
[22:37] <aliendude5300> Not sure what the Atom was running.
[22:37] <keldin> copyed my ubuntu 904 into another folder and started the upgrade to 910 failed the alt-f2 upgrade process didnt work, go message that the copy wouldn't be stable so I just deleted, I thought this was releaseing in a week shouldn't this be more stable for upgrade to work?
[22:37] <aliendude5300> Although I do have an Intel Atom Eee Machine running Windows XP... sorry guys :/
[22:37] <penguin42> aliendude5300: I suspect the atom number was for the moblin/ubuntu remix but I don't honestly know
[22:37] <pwnguin> DanaG: there's shell scripts that will parse the readashead list and rewrite the files to hint ext4 to lay them out together
[22:37] <cwillu> DanaG, you may also gain some benefits by tweaking or changing the default io scheduler
[22:37] <jrgp> I just upgraded to karmic from jaunty and on boot it hangs on "starting init crypto disks". does anyone know a work around?
[22:37] <DanaG> I think the significant increase came mostly from the new boot.
[22:37] <aliendude5300> I just think 2 min to boot is way too long for 2009
[22:38] <penguin42> jrgp: What did you have crypted?
[22:38] <pwnguin> DanaG: one check is to try filefrag on the files in /etc/readahead or whatever the file is now
[22:38] <Nattgew> keldin: beta is in a week... final is in a month
[22:38] <penguin42> aliendude5300: Agreed, especially for an i7
[22:38] <DanaG> There is no more /etc/readahead.
[22:38] <keldin> nattgew: thanks for the timeline
[22:38] <pwnguin> aliendude5300: keep in mind that the ten second goal is for the LTS, not karmic
[22:38] <jrgp> penguin42: knowingly nothing. just the ~/.Private folder
[22:39] <aliendude5300> i7 is supposed to be the best right? The PC that I'm talking about was the VERY best PC available at BestBuy when I bought it... it should not take 2 min to boot
[22:39] <jrgp> and my home is on a separate drive; could that be why?
[22:39] <pwnguin> aliendude5300: and you're basically done by 85s
[22:39] <DanaG> oh, and /etc/init.d/rc has concurrency=none
[22:39] <aliendude5300> Especially with i7 and an ATI Radeon 4850HD card
[22:39] <pwnguin> the bootchart waits for the system to idle, and folding@home intentionally doesn't idle
[22:39] <penguin42> jrgp: Curious - I don't know, but if you could boot it off a live CD I'd go and check /etc/crypttab on your filesystem
[22:40] <jrgp> hmm
[22:40] <cwillu> somebody should inform DanaG that concurrency=none is irrelevant under upstart;  it's not an upstart setting
[22:41] <aliendude5300> How do I change F@H to wait 3 min after power on to start so I can get accurate results?
[22:41] <pwnguin> aliendude5300: you know bash?
[22:41] <aliendude5300> a bit...
[22:41] <pwnguin> find the start script that's starting f@h
[22:41] <cwillu> just put a "sleep 3m" at the start of its launcher
[22:41] <aliendude5300> I know a LOT of commands though
[22:41] <aliendude5300> would that be in /etc/init.d?
[22:42] <pwnguin> im guessing its a user thing
[22:42] <aliendude5300> or is it a cron job or something?
[22:42] <KnifeySpooney> penguin42: Do you know much about the /dev/card0 issue?
[22:42] <pwnguin> is f@h even an ubuntu package?
[22:43] <penguin42> KnifeySpooney: No, it works for me
[22:43] <aliendude5300> Is xsplash enabled by default on the newest Karmic Builds?
[22:43] <cwillu> yes
[22:44] <jrgp> penguin42: there is nothing in my /etc/crypttab file
[22:44] <aliendude5300> I was wondering why I still see dmesg info instead of a graphical loader...
[22:44] <SandGorgon> anyone have a broadcom wireless working on a 2.6.31 kernel ?
[22:44] <cwillu> aliendude5300, the first message you see is probably an error or a warning of some sort?
[22:44] <aliendude5300> I have the splash option enabled in GRUB...
[22:44] <aliendude5300> I posted my dmesg earlier, I'll get you the link.
[22:44] <aliendude5300> http://pastebay.com/57572
[22:45] <Nattgew> SandGorgon: yes...
[22:46] <Nattgew> 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
[22:46] <SandGorgon> Nattgew, which card? are u using b43-fwcutter?  my driver loads but doesnt work
[22:46] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: hey, didn't notice when you got back ^^, could try the following as a Workaround (!): add lines 18 and 19 in your /etc/init/gdm.conf . (If you're using Gnome/XFCE)
[22:46] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: http://yofel.pastebin.com/f11b47565
[22:46] <KnifeySpooney> awesome, I'll try that. Thanks
[22:46] <Nattgew> SandGorgon: I think it depends on your card... I'm using bcmwl-kernel-source and bcmwl-modaliases
[22:47] <SandGorgon> Nattgew, which is ur card ?
[22:47] <Nattgew> SandGorgon: 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
[22:48] <pwnguin> aliendude5300: also, the 10sec boot goal doesn't include media tomb or samba. or virtualbox, or dkms.
[22:48] <penguin42> pwnguin: dkms should only happen on upgrade so shouldn't be too big an issue
[22:49] <pwnguin> you might bitch about landscape though
[22:49] <SandGorgon> Nattgew, same as mine.. whew... i have a custom kernel and have not been able to get it working
[22:49] <DanaG> nope, not much difference.
[22:50] <cwillu> DanaG, note that concurrency=none is irrelevant under upstart;  it's not an upstart setting, and so will only affect rc.d jobs
[22:50] <Nattgew> SandGorgon: for some reason it was pretty smooth to get working on my Ubuntu install (at alpha 4) but I installed Kubuntu from alpha 6 and I haven't gotten to see any networks...
[22:50] <cwillu> DanaG, okay
[22:50] <DanaG> oddly enough, in this one, sreadahead didn't appear at all!
[22:51] <SandGorgon> Nattgew, u didnt build ur own kernel , did u?
[22:51] <pwnguin> if you ran profile, it won't
[22:51] <Nattgew> SandGorgon: nope
[22:51] <aliendude5300> Hmm... I just wish it was possible to get more boot performance without sacrificing those services...
[22:51] <aliendude5300> I want to get into the GUI faster.
[22:51] <aliendude5300> But then I can wait for the services to load...
[22:51] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20090927-4.png
[22:51] <pwnguin> you can use the same sleep trick
[22:52] <nemo> cwillu: lol
[22:52] <nemo> cwillu: hilarious
[22:52] <nemo> vast majority of people
[22:52] <nemo> except for those w/ intel cards
[22:52] <nemo> or nvidia
[22:52] <nemo> or those bugs on bugzilla
[22:52] <nemo> or rants on facebook
[22:52] <pwnguin> replace the script with a "sleep 3m+ some random value, then call the original script"
[22:52] <cwillu> nemo, people who have things working don't rant or post bugs
[22:52] <nemo> cwillu: fact is, ubuntu took something that works, and replaced it with something that works less well
[22:52] <aliendude5300> What does the new xsplash that will be used in the beta look like? Any pics available?
[22:52] <nemo> cwillu: of the 5 people I support, on 6 computers
[22:52] <nemo> cwillu: 4 of them have had pulseaudio issues
[22:52] <nemo> but I guess we're just unlucky
[22:53] <cwillu> nemo, or there's a common fault
[22:53] <nemo> cwillu: completely different hardware
[22:53] <nemo> clean installs
[22:53] <DanaG> oh yeah, and my bootchart is all jumbled, too.
[22:53] <nemo> cwillu: but sure. blame the users/HW
[22:53] <cwillu> (same tech support)
[22:53] <nemo> cwillu: I saw were you were going with that dude
[22:53] <nemo> cwillu: that's why I said blame the users/HW
[22:53] <nemo> cwillu: fact is I barely touch their configurations.  and fact is ubuntu took things that worked
[22:53] <nemo> and replaced them with something that worked less well
[22:54] <DanaG> yeah, such as sreadahead.
[22:54] <nemo> cwillu: yes it added new features, but those new features are useless for the majority of people
[22:54] <cwillu> I'm not blaming the users/hw, I'm blaming you.  As it happens, I spend a couple hours on a regular basis fixing people's sound who got bad advice to remove pulseaudio
[22:54] <nemo> cwillu: pulseaudio should have been only recommended for some cases
[22:54] <nemo> cwillu: I'm a user dude
[22:54] <nemo> cwillu: and I haven't removed pulseaudio off anyone's system
[22:54] <nemo> cwillu: and do tell me what I could have done to screw up their system. I'm just commiserating when things crash
[22:54] <nemo> or stutter
[22:54] <nemo> or freeze up
[22:54] <nemo> or suck up 100% of CPU
[22:54] <penguin42> DanaG: I'm curious about the very lengthy mount.ntfs at 16..32s and the firmware.sh which seems to take 4-5s
[22:54] <Nattgew> nemo: I agree... there are some nice things (finally in Karmic), but it's caused a lot of issues
[22:54] <nemo> and the pulseaudio guys blame it on bugs w/ HW and drivers and this and that
[22:55] <nemo> and it may be completely true, but the fact is they have to deal with it
[22:55] <nemo> pulseaudio simply isn't as reliable yet
[22:55] <nemo> and the rest of us have to put up with it
[22:55] <nemo> its just depressing
[22:55] <cwillu> nemo, and the drivers have been getting fixed, because the people maintaining the drivers have agreed that stuff was broken
[22:55] <nemo> pulseaudio should only have been recommended for people with specific use cases
[22:55] <nemo> such as bluetooth or network sound
[22:55] <nemo> and ONCE that stuff was fixed
[22:55] <DanaG> hmm, that partition is ~150GB, about 99% full right now.
[22:55] <nemo> rolled out to general public
[22:55] <cwillu> as it happens, one of the really useful features that people tend to like is the ability to set application volumes
[22:55] <nemo> cwillu: blaming the HW/drivers/users as pulseaudio folks do is just sad
[22:56] <DanaG> Oh, flat volumes are the only thing I really, really really hate in PulseAudio.
[22:56] <nemo> cwillu: and in exchange I get virtually nonexistent volume control;
[22:56] <cwillu> nemo, when the driver is at fault, what are they supposed to do?
[22:56] <nemo> cwillu: fix it in a non-mainstream branch
[22:56] <nemo> cwillu: like I said, it may be the most awesome sound architecutre ever
[22:56] <nemo> it simply was not ready to be ubuntu default
[22:56] <penguin42> cwillu: For a lot of people pulse has been a nightmare; it's a hell of a lot better than it was say 6 months ago - but frankly for many it's been a disaster, and I realise some of it is driver problems but pulse has pushed the drivers further than anything previously and perhaps they weren't ready for that
[22:57] <nemo> it isn't like you can explain to everyone and their grandmother that the fault isn't pulseaudio, it is them or the HW or interaction w/ SDL or nvidia or whatever
[22:57] <nemo> once this stuff stabilises, then it should have been rolled out
[22:57] <pwnguin> you know, its not like audio wasn't a disaster before pulse
[22:57] <cwillu> penguin42, I'm well aware of that.
[22:57] <penguin42> nemo: To also be fair the other way I know people on machines without pulse where audio is sucking - probably due to drivers
[22:57] <nemo> fine. we all just have rotten luck
[22:57] <nemo> penguin42: I've run into that too, to be sure
[22:57] <cwillu> yay for anthropics
[22:58] <nemo> penguin42: is just less frequent. and many times there's something easy I can solve
[22:58] <nemo> penguin42: like HW locking
[22:58]  * cwillu recommends quantum suicide :)
[22:58] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: I just used lines 18 and 19 of your workaround and it still doesn't seem to work
[22:58] <nemo> penguin42: pulseaudio issues I can't even really touch. so I don't. no matter what cwillu suggests about my fixes
[22:58] <KnifeySpooney> it created the /dev/dri directory correctly, but it didn't link card0
[22:58] <nemo> penguin42: only reason I'm still on pulseaudio on this computer is so I can catalog the ways it fails for users of hedgewars
[22:58] <penguin42> cwillu: The pulse guys seem rather ambivilant about helping ubuntu users, and users do end up just feeling like they're getting tossed between pulse/driver/distro hell
[22:59] <nemo> penguin42: hell. the only reason I hacked in an option to not initialise sound system in 0.9.10 of hedgewars was for ubuntu users with pulseaudio
[22:59] <cwillu> penguin42, the initial rollout was horrid, I have lots of sympathy for maintainers when packagers go against their recommended practices
[22:59] <nemo> that way they may not have sound but at least the game doesn't crash/lock up/suck up 100% of CPU
[22:59] <judgen> Howdy, where can i find a package of xdialog for karmic?
[23:00] <nemo> anyway. ranting made me feel better, but it still shouldn'tve been default. that was just a major fail on Ubuntu's part - I suspect some pulseaudio advocates pushed it
[23:00] <cwillu> penguin42, but this with me saying that most people don't actually have problems (which is true)
[23:00] <nemo> even if only 10% of users are having problems that's about 9.5% too many
[23:00] <cwillu> fair enough
[23:00] <penguin42> cwillu: I hear what you are saying about most people being OK but that's not my experience of talking to friends and colleagues, and there seem to be problems on intel hardware rather than anything obscure
[23:01] <DanaG> hmm, I can't figure out what to do next about my boot.
[23:01] <pwnguin> calling intel hda "hardware" is obscuring the problem
[23:01] <nemo> pwnguin: well. yes
[23:01] <penguin42> pwnguin: Please expand?
[23:01] <nemo> software audio drivers
[23:01] <nemo> like winmodems
[23:01] <pwnguin> most of hda is software
[23:01] <nemo> or the hardware "raid" my new computer came with
[23:01] <nemo> that only works in windows
[23:01] <cwillu> DanaG, I was going to suggest a different io elevator as a boot option, but more as another datapoint, I don't expect it to actually fix anythign :/
[23:02] <nemo> but still. those audio cards are in huge numbers of computers
[23:02] <penguin42> pwnguin: What is there to do in software for audio at the lowest level?
[23:02] <nemo> intel is a big platform
[23:02] <DanaG> Yeah, the thing that changed were mostly init script behavior.
[23:02] <cwillu> DanaG, elevator=deadline or elevator=noop
[23:02] <pwnguin> penguin42: decode compressed signals
[23:02] <pwnguin> route signal to outputs
[23:02] <cwillu> DanaG, yes, but I strongly suspect that it's exposing issues rather than being directly to blame
[23:02] <KnifeySpooney> since I upgraded to Karmic, the old logout button at the top has disappeared, and so did the thing that said my username next to it
[23:02] <KnifeySpooney> I tried adding it back to panel but I can't find it
[23:03] <pwnguin> if you were insane, you could output sound on the mic jack of my laptop
[23:03] <cwillu> pwnguin, surround sound :p
[23:03] <penguin42> pwnguin: I'm used to old style sound cards where everything was software - I don't know that any more has moved that way - I know with the Intel stuff there are issues to do with what is wired to what output/input is very much down to the whim of the board designer
[23:03] <djdarkman> Hello, I have a built in USB webcam, that seems to only work ocasionally, is there a way I could disconnect it from the kernel and reconnect it like I was physically doing that?
[23:03] <pwnguin> penguin42: hda "solves" that by letting software configure it
[23:04] <pwnguin> except, now you need to know how the hardware is hooked up, and determine what the hardware is
[23:04] <penguin42> KnifeySpooney: indicator-applet-session may be what you want
[23:04] <cwillu> well, userspace is a better place for that sort of thing, makes figuring things out easier than requiring a kernel recompile :p
[23:04] <penguin42> pwnguin: Sure
[23:04] <penguin42> my sound problems have mostly been pops and clicks that came in around intrepid time and I've never been fully able to get rid of
[23:05] <pwnguin> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jldugger/2356939298/sizes/l/
[23:05] <nemo> maybe pulseaudio could have been an option prompt after install. esp if bluetooth snd was detected.
[23:05] <nemo> s/could have been/should be as soon as possible/
[23:05] <pwnguin> actually, i had to fix a resume bug
[23:05] <pwnguin> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jldugger/2356939930/
[23:05] <penguin42> nemo: Pulse does solve some things - I mean with karmic possibly for the first time ever I've had sound played from Flash AND my music player at the same time
[23:05] <cwillu> nah, it's more important to have a good way forward than to avoid making improvements and fixing long-standing issues in the name of maintaining existing support
[23:05] <pwnguin> the main tric here was to rewrite the boot set with tar
[23:05] <Jordan_U> nemo: I don't think Ubuntu is ever going to prompt users about things like the audio subsystem during a default install.
[23:06] <Ian_> anyone else with ubuntu-desktop kept back?
[23:06] <cwillu> Ian_, yep, give it another day
[23:06] <Ian_> kk
[23:06] <pwnguin> it'd be kinda neat to visualize the disk layout of a boot profile
[23:07] <pwnguin> but i think canonical's assuming SSD with a constant seek
[23:07] <penguin42> DanaG: I'd love to know why dkms appears to have taken about 5s on there - you'd hope it really shouldn't if it was already build
[23:07] <joaopinto> penguin42, I can do that with jaunty
[23:07] <penguin42> joaopinto: Yeh well you're lucky! Still, that's pulse letting you do that
[23:08] <cwillu> penguin42, so they finally got asound.conf configured right by default :)
[23:08] <nemo> penguin42: I've had that before, even w/ intel cards
[23:08] <KnifeySpooney> penguin42: Thanks, I guess Karmic uninstalled it or something odd happened.. either way I reinstalled and looks great.
[23:08] <penguin42> cwillu: Maybe, it might be the 32bit stuff that got fixed
[23:08] <nemo> penguin42: flash improved their integration, and, well. depends on what packages you installed too
[23:08] <aliendude5300> Anyone know how to adjust the volume for JUST the rear audio channels?
[23:08] <andresmh> does gnumeric have a channel?
[23:08] <nemo> Jordan_U: I was thinking more after default install
[23:09] <nemo> Jordan_U: they do leave the install thin and light, but there are prompts after. for graphic cards for example.
[23:09] <Jordan_U> nemo: Same likelyhood of ever happening
[23:09] <nemo> Jordan_U: could put it in some sound dialog
[23:09] <pwnguin> i need to install grub2 / bootchart my laptop
[23:09] <nemo> in that case, let folks find out about things that support their bluetooth on their own I guess
[23:10] <Jordan_U> nemo: If the graphics card drivers were distributable they wouldn't prompt you to enable them. It's a choice out of neccessity
[23:10] <nemo> ahh well. this is all to make me feel better, is obvious the only way this will be solved is pulseaudio slowly getting more reliable.
[23:10] <nemo> no point in my going on about it.
[23:10] <nemo> hm. I think I'll update, and test SDL/openal in hedgewars again
[23:10] <nemo> maybe it doesn't lock up anymore :)
[23:11] <nemo> with one of the two
[23:11] <penguin42> On those boot charts is it the thing slightly above the bar that's the name?
[23:11] <aliendude5300> My USB drive keeps unmounting itself :/ I think it's because Ubuntu is having errors reading it... what should I do?
[23:11] <penguin42> aliendude5300: I'd dmesg and see if you can see the errors
[23:11] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: Look in dmesg for any errors
[23:13] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: You can also use errors=remount-ro ( don't remember the exact syntax ) so it just remounts read only instead of unmounting completely on errors
[23:13] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20090927-6.png
[23:14] <DanaG> hmm, that's with just rebooting (no elevator=)
[23:14] <aliendude5300> Jordan_U: I wanted to fix the problem though... must be a problem with my devices file system (FAT32)
[23:14] <aliendude5300> I tried fsck with automatic repairing on the whole thing but it didn't improve much
[23:14] <aliendude5300> I even tried enabling checking for bad sectors
[23:14] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: It's probably a bad flash drive, I've had a lot of cheap flash drives die on me
[23:15] <arand> ...There flies dear pidgin again.
[23:15] <aliendude5300> It's not a flash drive. It's a 250GB USB Mechanical Hard Disk
[23:15] <KnifeySpooney> How do I set the time to update with an NTP server? I could have sworn it was by using the time panel applet but I can't find it
[23:15] <aliendude5300> Not sure if SATA or PSATA...
[23:15] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: And one that was silently corrupting untill I started testing btrfs on it and saw csum errors
[23:16] <DanaG> hmm, so now my slow boot has me so boggled.
[23:16] <aliendude5300> It has 46GB free space... shouldn't be unmounting due to the disk being full.
[23:17] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: running out of space isn't considered an "error" that would force an unmount
[23:17] <penguin42> DanaG: Your NTFS mount has taken like a 3rd of the time
[23:17] <penguin42> DanaG: Oh hang on - there's another chunk later on
[23:17] <aliendude5300> http://pastebay.com/57587 <== dmesg after plugging in the USB drive to it unmounting forcefully
[23:18] <DanaG> hmm, usb errors... perhaps the enclosure is the thing that's failing?
[23:18] <penguin42> aliendude5300: Well the good thing is it doesn't actually say medium errors; as DanaG says USB errors - is it a powered drive?
[23:19] <aliendude5300> Whats Error -71? Seeing that one a lot...
[23:19] <aliendude5300> Yeah... it's powered by an AC adaptor.
[23:19] <aliendude5300> not VIA usb.
[23:19] <DanaG> hmm, could it be a dodgy cable?
[23:19] <cwillu> DanaG, are you booting off a usb hd enclosure?
[23:19] <penguin42> aliendude5300: Hmm so it has it's own AC adapter - not the normal problem of not enough power then
[23:19] <DanaG> Nope, my drive is SATA.
[23:19] <cwillu> oh, misunderstood that :p
[23:20] <DanaG> argh, what happened to the SMART attributes graph?
[23:20] <aliendude5300> I think its a corrupted filesystem or something.. but all my files are still there.
[23:21] <cwillu> DanaG, I wonder what gnome-panel is doing for ~17 seconds
[23:21] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: It's not (just) a file system problem
[23:21] <aliendude5300> I can't remount it once it's unmounted... I have to turn it off on the back, unplug it from the PC, wait 10 seconds or so, and plug it back in, then turn the switch back on...
[23:21] <aliendude5300> All the files seem to be there.
[23:22] <cwillu> DanaG, coincides with mount.ntfs
[23:22] <cwillu> oops, nvm, it doesn't
[23:22] <aliendude5300> The drive is made by a company called Fantom.
[23:22] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: There are errors reading from the device, at a lower layer than the file system ( which is also causing file system errors )
[23:22] <aliendude5300> What should I do to fix this?
[23:22] <aliendude5300> :/
[23:23] <aliendude5300> Was working fine a week or 2 ago
[23:23] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: You there?
[23:23] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: See what it's smart diagnostics say ( in palimpsest )
[23:23] <cwillu> aliendude5300, if you can use the drive directly (esata, or internally), you'll be able to check smart disk
[23:23] <cwillu> most usb enclosures don't expose smart though
[23:24] <aliendude5300> Doesn't show up in palimpsest
[23:24] <aliendude5300> :/
[23:24] <cwillu> yep
[23:24] <cwillu> usb drives won't
[23:24] <aliendude5300> Sec... gonna try powering off again
[23:24] <cwillu> aliendude5300, ^^^
[23:24] <aliendude5300> I saw that.... but it wasnt mounted anyways...
[23:24] <Jordan_U> cwillu: I could have sworn I had checked smart diagnostics on an external USB enclosure
[23:25] <aliendude5300> So worth a try
[23:25] <cwillu> Jordan_U, I'm not saying they don't exist, but very very few bother implementing it
[23:25] <cwillu> they just act as a dumb mass storage device
[23:25] <aliendude5300> I'd open the thing up but it uses those annoying chinese screws or whatever :/
[23:25] <cwillu> does it have an esata port on the enclosure?
[23:25] <cwillu> that would work (being a mostly direct connection to the drive)
[23:25] <Jordan_U> cwillu: It also couldn't be done before devicekit disks, and so before karmic
[23:26] <penguin42> dumb being about the right description of most USB<->ata bridges
[23:26] <aliendude5300> It shows up but SMART isn't available.
[23:26] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: yes
[23:27] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: I tried lines 18/19 of your workaround and it worked fine up to linking the file
[23:27] <KnifeySpooney> It created the directory but the link wasn't created
[23:27] <aliendude5300> No eSATA port.
[23:27] <aliendude5300> Just USB.
[23:27] <DanaG> ironic thing on my usb/fw400/esata drive:
[23:27] <DanaG> it won't do SMART over eSATA; only over USB.
[23:28] <cwillu> heh
[23:28] <Dai> DanaG: as long as it's not LaCie *grumbles*
[23:29] <aliendude5300> Don't ever buy a drive from Fantom, this thing works terribly :/
[23:30] <aliendude5300> It was made in 2004 though...
[23:30] <aliendude5300> might be better now
[23:30] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: Do you have another enclosure?
[23:30] <aliendude5300> no...
[23:31] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: Another USB cable?
[23:31] <aliendude5300> These problems started occuring after I deleted old files from the drive.
[23:31] <aliendude5300> I have MANY usb cables... I could try that...
[23:32] <penguin42> aliendude5300: Another appropriate PSU might also be worth a go
[23:32] <aliendude5300> It uses a kind of PSU I've never seen on another type of device... dont have another one :/
[23:32] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: ok, if you run   [ -e /dev/card0 ] && sudo ln -s /dev/card0 /dev/dri/card0    right now in a terminal, is the link created?
[23:33] <cwillu> DanaG, have you noticed that udevd is waiting a good 10 seconds before any of its subprocesses kick in?
[23:33] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: Yes
[23:34] <cwillu> DanaG, as opposed to 20090801-1, where the subprocesses start immediately
[23:36] <Jordan_U> Is there any way that you could let the udev from the initramfs persist through the switch to the real root?
[23:36] <cwillu> DanaG, try elevator=deadline, I'm interested in seeing if it shortens the udev hangup there at all
[23:37] <cwillu> (you'll have to do it on kernel boot line)
[23:37] <DanaG> will do in a bit.
[23:38] <cwillu> DanaG, k, pm me if you don't mind, I tend to miss in-channel comments, and I'm heading off for lunch and work right away
[23:43] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: next try: http://yofel.pastebin.com/f7844d7c
[23:44] <test34> anyone got the microsoft vx-1000 webcam working?
[23:48] <test34> I get lots of error like this: "libv4lconvert: Error decompressing JPEG: fill_nbits error: need 3 more bits" and a green output
[23:50] <DanaG> okay, gonna' try reboot now.
[23:50] <penguin42> test34: 001 do ?
[23:51] <test34> penguin42: 001 do?
[23:51] <penguin42> test34: Well you said you needed 3 more bits
[23:51] <test34> heh
[23:52] <billybigrigger> test34, i have one
[23:52] <billybigrigger> hasn't worked at all during the 2.6.31 kernel development
[23:52] <billybigrigger> test34, good luck getting it going though, if you do, you should ping me :P
[23:53] <test34> billybigrigger, ok.. I've read that some people got it to work by recompiling the kernel but they dont say what option they changed
[23:53] <billybigrigger> i have compiled in all v4l/v4l2 devices and gspca modules, still nothing
[23:53] <penguin42> can anyone tell me what they have in /etc/pm/sleep.d please?
[23:54] <test34> they used http://kcheck.sourceforge.net/
[23:54] <test34> penguin: 10_unattended-upgrades-hibernate  99laptop-mode  action_wpa
[23:55] <test34> billybigrigger, is your videocard a nvidia?
[23:55] <billybigrigger> yes
[23:55] <test34> some said it worked by disabling the proprietary driver, I will try that
[23:56] <DanaG> cwillu: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20090927-7.png  -- not really siginficantly different.
[23:56] <XDevHald> billybigrigger: What type of NVidia are you running?
[23:57] <test34> reboot...
[23:57] <DanaG> 5 seconds.


[00:58] <junaidali> #ubuntu-packaging
[13:50] <sergiusens> cjwatson hi, I am having issues using +addrelease for a milestone, the javascript for the date seems to not be loading and (after manually crafting the date) I always get a timeout. Is there a known issue?
[13:58] <cjwatson> No.  Do you have an OOPS?
[14:34] <sergiusens> cjwatson no, just random errors, I just tried again and it worked though
[15:21] <morphis> cjwatson: how do I get a commercial subscription for my private project on launchpad as a canonical member?
[15:30] <cjwatson> morphis: https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/PrivacyFeatures
[15:31] <morphis> thanks!
[15:32] <morphis> cjwatson: ah I see
[15:32] <morphis> where can I change the licensing?
[15:32] <morphis> cjwatson: or is that not possible?
[15:33] <cjwatson> morphis: what do you mean?
[15:33] <morphis> cjwatson: I've selected GPLv3 when I created the project
[15:33] <morphis> which seems to be now the problem why I don't get the subscription
[15:34] <morphis> but I don't see any button to change that
[15:35] <cjwatson> morphis: I think you should just mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and explain the situation.
[15:35] <morphis> aye
[15:36] <cjwatson> Since I'm not a commercial admin, I probably can't see the private project in question so am unlikely to be able to help.
[15:37] <morphis> cjwatson: done
[15:38] <morphis> cjwatson: ok, you know someone who can?
[15:38] <cjwatson> William should be able to help once he's up
[15:39] <morphis> thanks!
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> I've just hit 3 OOPS's in a row whilst trying to report a bug (the last one is OOPS-648f276cd000bed3557848fb9599fc1d)


[01:15] <arand_> I've suggested a couple of times a !bootinfoscript factoid, was there reasons not to add it or was it simply overlooked?
[01:21] <IdleOne> arand: join #ubuntu-ops, see if someone there can help and maybe add the factoid. I have to go have dinner now.
[01:21] <arand> ok
[04:34] <arand> Floodbot missing in #ubuntu?
[05:04] <syrinx_> anyone hanging around here?
[05:04] <IdleOne> what's up syrinx_
[05:05] <syrinx_> well, yesterday I talked to tsimpson about becoming an OP
[05:05] <syrinx_> today, I signed the CoC
[05:05] <IdleOne> ok
[05:05] <syrinx_> what next?
[05:06] <IdleOne> well the way it normally works is that when the powers that be see a need for ops they put out a call for ops on the mailing list asking for people to nominate themselves
[05:06] <syrinx_> ah...
[05:06] <syrinx_> hang tight for now?
[05:06] <IdleOne> you applied to the team on launchpad?
[05:06] <syrinx_> no sir, should I?
[05:06] <IdleOne> I believe that is what the instructions say
[05:07] <IdleOne> read them again and follow all the steps/links
[05:07] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[05:08] <syrinx_> yes, it does. doing that now
[05:08] <IdleOne> So make sure you fill all the requirements and hang tight, keep an eye out for "call for ops" on the mailing list
[05:09] <syrinx_> thanks IdleOne
[05:09] <syrinx_> appreciate it very much
[05:09] <IdleOne> welcome
[12:29] <jussi> o/
[12:29] <jussi> topyli: tsimpson elky nhandler. LjL is interested in getting some bots cloaked with ubuntu cloaks, what do you think?
[12:29] <LjL> hi. i'd like to request ubuntu bot cloaks for BestBot and MetaBot. code is open source (although i'm not sure where BestBot is, but it's supposed to be open source anyway)
[12:30] <tsimpson> I'm for the bots being cloaked
[12:30] <jussi> LjL: Be nice if we can get those codebases into the ubuntu bots on lp project.
[12:30] <LjL> jussi: MetaBot is there
[12:31] <jussi> ok, great, need to find bestbot then :)
[12:31] <jussi> LjL: you have enough access over there right?
[12:31] <LjL> i think so
[12:32] <LjL> eventually i'd like to make BestBot an ubottu plugin. but then i've been planning that for like years and never did it :P
[12:32] <jussi> :P
[12:32] <jussi> LjL: is bestbot in python? :P
[12:33] <LjL> no, it's php, both bestbot and metabot are the same basic codebase as the floodbots - i'd have to rewrite it
[12:35] <LjL> but having it in ubottu would have the important (imo) benefit that you could use parts of it in #ubuntu, specifically what's now "list every xyz". in my mind it'd eventually replace those factoids that just list a ton of packages in a category
[12:42] <nhandler> jussi: Per our current cloaking policy, I see no reason that we can't cloak them. As for the ubuntu bots project, I still think we need to clarify what bots can go in there (i.e. I was told awhile ago that classbot couldn't go there currentl, but that the goal was to have all ubuntu ots there at some point in the future)
[12:43] <tsimpson> nhandler: why can't classbot go there?
[12:45] <nhandler> tsimpson: That was justwhat either you or ussi told me when I asked when classbot first became somewhat stable
[12:45] <jussi> I see no reason for it not to be there
[12:45] <tsimpson> the only issue I see is that we'd have to add the maintainers of classbot to the ~ubuntu-bots team
[12:46] <tsimpson> btw, I did look into having the ubuntu-bots project be a "umbrella" project for different bots, but it'd end up being just superficial (a "project" with just a list of other project and nothing shared between them)
[12:47] <nhandler> tsimpson: Didn't LP recently add the ability to have an LP admin turn a project into an umbrella project like that?
[12:47] <tsimpson> probably, but it won't really do us much good
[12:48] <tsimpson> they'd still all just be separate projects, that just happen to be listed on one page
[12:49] <tsimpson> umbrella projects just show that projects are related, but there is nothing shared between projects
[12:49] <tsimpson> so there would still be separate code hosting, but tracking, teams, etc
[12:50] <tsimpson> basically umbrella projects *only* contain a list of other projects, nothing else
[12:50] <tsimpson> at least, that's what I was told when I asked a few months back


[04:19] <unfo> hi all.  Could someone running Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) please volunteer to log into a text console such as tty1?  After you enter your username and password, does Ubuntu then tell you a web site you can go to for help?  If so, what is the entire line telling you how to get help?
[04:19] <wgrant> To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit:
[04:19] <wgrant> http://help.ubuntu.com/
[04:19] <unfo> wgrant: thank you.
[04:19] <wgrant> (from sshing into a Hardy box)
[04:19] <unfo> good enough
[04:41] <unfo> wgrant:  I use Debian.  Thanks for confirming what the Ubuntu after-login message says for me.  I have now filed bug 285734.  In the new wording I chose inside my patch, I mentioned help.ubuntu.com.
[04:42] <wgrant> unfo: It makes no sense to put it in /etc/issue.
[04:43] <unfo> wgrant: then where?
[04:43] <wgrant> Not there. I'm not sure.
[04:43] <wgrant> But /etc/issue is wrong.
[04:43] <unfo> wgrant: why not /etc/issue?
[04:44] <wgrant> Hmmm, I guess if it is only used locally it's OK.
[04:45] <unfo> wgrant: what does "used locally" mean?
[04:45] <wgrant> unfo: It wouldn't be inconceivable that /etc/issue would be used for other login means.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ie, ssh'd in users will see it, and it would be wrong for them?
[04:45] <wgrant> Not just local ttys.
[04:45] <Nafallo> unfo: that it wouldn't make sense for people ssh'ing in ;-)
[04:45]  * Hobbsee ^5 Nafallo
[04:46] <unfo> wgrant, Nafallo, ah.  But unless someone can think of a better solution, I think /etc/issue is the best place to put it.
[04:46] <unfo> s/ wgrant/ Hobbsee
[04:55] <unfo> when I type "ssh localhost", my /etc/issue is *not* shown.  All I see is the following:
[04:56] <unfo> "Password: "
[04:56] <unfo> Could someone else try ssh'ing to a Ubuntu computer by a different way and tell me if /etc/issue is shown or not?
[04:56] <unfo> *please
[04:58] <Hobbsee> er, it only is if you uncomment #Banner /etc/issue.net
[04:59] <unfo> Hobbsee: so are you able to confirm that changing /etc/issue does not affect users who ssh in?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> seems so.
[05:00] <unfo> Hobbsee: thanks.  may I quote you by name like this?  "Hobbsee thought that /etc/issue might be shown when people ssh in, but it is not, unless you change the 'Banner; sshd setting."
[05:00] <unfo> s/;/'
[05:01] <wgrant> Agentless passive is better.
[05:01] <unfo> will use the agentless passive then.
[08:13] <techno_freak> do anyone remember the CD/DVD drive eject recloses tray and remounts media bug? I have a duplicate for it
[08:18] <Treenaks> techno_freak: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/283316 ?
[08:18] <techno_freak> Treenaks, thanks :)
[08:18] <Treenaks> techno_freak: np
[08:18] <Treenaks> techno_freak: it works with CDs as well, for me :)
[08:19] <Treenaks> or :(, actually
[08:20] <techno_freak> Treenaks, ya, i got the same thing reported and hence marking it as duplicate
[08:20]  * Treenaks likes the 'Me too!' marking
[08:21] <techno_freak> ya, am commenting it on the bug that the reporter can mark "me too" on the parent bug
[08:34] <G__81> Hi I am new to this team just joined the bug squad team in launch Pad. I am new or a prospective Ubuntu Developer :). I have been contributing to fedora and i want to get into ubuntu development
[08:40] <techno_freak> G__81, if you want to focus on development and packaging, #ubuntu-motu might be a place of interest
[08:41] <G__81> i have not done packaging so i might be more interested in bug fixing/triaging to start off with
[08:45] <techno_freak> G__81, welcome, the wiki links in /topic might be a good place to start ;)
[08:45] <G__81> thanks techno_freak
[08:46] <techno_freak> :)
[08:46] <G__81> and are you anjan by any chance ? :)
[08:46] <techno_freak> G__81, no, not me
[08:46] <G__81> so are you parthan ?
[08:46] <G__81> :)
[08:47] <techno_freak> G__81, yes
[08:47] <G__81> oh ! :)
[08:47] <G__81> nice to meet you :)
[08:48] <techno_freak> :)
[08:48] <G__81> is this the channel for 5 a day ?
[08:50] <techno_freak> you can ask it here too, if you have any qyestions
[08:50] <G__81> how do i start off with 5 a day
[08:51] <G__81> i have installed those 5 a day applet and the relevant stuff
[08:54] <G__81> hey be right back
[08:56] <G__81> hi techno_freak
[08:56] <G__81> had to reboot my system
[08:57] <G__81> ok can you help me setting up my account on LP have some questions if you dont mind
[10:59] <ciapsadm> Hi
[10:59] <ciapsadm> Typed Ctrl + Alt + esc and now I no longer show icons on the desktop
[10:59] <ciapsadm> What to do?
[11:00] <ciapsadm> I use Xfce
[11:01] <Hobbsee> ciapsadm: try #xubuntu
[11:01] <ciapsadm> Ok
[11:28] <G__81> Hi RainCT
[11:28] <RainCT> \o/
[11:29] <G__81> i ve to first reproduce it in Ibex is it ?
[11:29] <RainCT> yep
[11:30] <G__81> ok then i need ibex first its still downloading
[11:30] <G__81> :)
[11:31] <wgrant> RainCT, G__81: bug 285720 is probably because displayconfig-gtk no longer exists.
[11:34] <RainCT> wgrant: uhm.. right, but.. he shouldn't have a menu entry then
[11:36] <wgrant> RainCT: "
[11:36] <wgrant> I added Screens and Graphics to the main menu"
[11:36] <wgrant> Sounds like he did it manually?
[11:36] <RainCT> d'oh
[11:37] <RainCT> G__81: you can probably close that bug then
[11:38] <RainCT> btw, any clue about bug 285695?
[11:38] <G__81> is it RainCT great
[11:38] <G__81> RainCT, Let me do it
[11:41] <G__81> how do i close it
[11:41] <G__81> and whats the comment that i ve to give
[11:42] <RainCT> G__81: Status: Invalid, Comment: something like "Thanks for your bug report but this particular package is no longer in Ubuntu."
[11:43] <RainCT> G__81: btw, there are useful comment boilerplates on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[11:44] <RainCT> btw, if some bugsquad guy is around, I disagree with the "About an incorrect translation" text
[11:45] <G__81> RainCT, So if you say the bug is closed you set it to invalid ?
[11:45] <G__81> RainCT, What if the bug if fixed and passed everything and what state do you set that to ?
[11:46] <RainCT> (there are many communities were people shouldn't never just go to translations.launchpad.net and do something.. beside that they can't, because it would just be marked as a suggestion)
[11:46] <RainCT> G__81: if it's fixed mark it as "Fix Released", and explain that it's fixed in Intrepid
[11:47] <G__81> Oh ok
[11:47] <RainCT> G__81: but you've to be sure that it's really fixed.. there are some bugs which can't be reproduced by everyone
[11:47] <G__81> i am just trying to install Hardy in Qemu but not able to :(
[12:10] <G__81> RainCT, Closed the bug :)
[12:19] <RainCT> G__81: Great :)   The last sentence is a bit confusing, though
[12:24] <G__81> RainCT, I ve triaged my first bug :)
[12:27] <RainCT> G__81: great :)
[12:27] <G__81> RainCT, when will the karma get updated
[12:28] <G__81> was curious to see that it has not happened
[12:29] <RainCT> G__81: not sure, I think it's recalculated once a day
[12:30] <G__81> oh ok Ibex is downloading and i have installed Virtual Box
[12:30] <G__81> so should start on testing Ibex packages by today
[14:36] <mnemo> how can I get a stacktrace out of a hung python application?
[14:47] <RainCT> mnemo: uhm.. you can't, only if it crashes
[14:48] <techno_freak> mnemo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Strace
[15:23] <RainCT> techno_freak: oh, cool. although I'm not sure about how useful that is :P
[15:23] <RainCT> (at least for python apps)
[15:24] <techno_freak> RainCT, ya, i haven't tried it at python apps, but anyways
[15:30] <ByteJuggler> hello all
[15:30] <ByteJuggler> :)
[15:31] <ByteJuggler> anyone alive?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[15:32] <ByteJuggler> hehe, ok ok didn't want to be rude... but you're right I have another question
[15:33] <ByteJuggler> for reference, I'm testing Intrepid and I've "imported" 2 accounts from the windows partitino
[15:34] <ByteJuggler> It's done a number of interesting things, which I'm not sure whether they qualify as bugs (and whether I should report them as seperate issues or as one)
[15:34] <ByteJuggler> and against which project (ubiquity I'd imagine)
[15:34] <ByteJuggler> firstly, there were 2 accounts
[15:35] <ByteJuggler> but it's not actually created a corresponding account for the 2 on ubuntu
[15:35] <ByteJuggler> (aside: the account username of one of the accounts is the same as the one I created on intrepid on installation)
[15:36] <ByteJuggler> the installer however imported the desktop picture on the other windows account
[15:36] <ByteJuggler> (that may be because there was no desktop on the matching account)
[15:36] <ByteJuggler> secondly re the import
[15:36] <ByteJuggler> no files on the desktop was actually imported, only the files in the My Documents folder
[15:37] <ByteJuggler> that may be ok but it might confuse users who save files (temporarily? permanently?) on their desktop
[15:37] <ByteJuggler> so, my question: which package do I report against?
[15:37] <ByteJuggler> which of these issues qualify as bugs and which as feature enhancements/requests
[15:38] <ByteJuggler> if need be, just tell me to go read the blueprints on launchpad
[15:38] <ByteJuggler> (I'm just also trying to avoid wasting my own time unnecesarily)
[15:39] <charlie-tca> I think it should import files on the Desktop, but you can ask in #ubuntu+1, which are the people testing Intrepid
[15:39] <ByteJuggler> ah ok, sorry so I'm in the wrong channel lol
[15:39] <charlie-tca> I'd report it against ubuntu-migration-assistant
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Only wrong for part of it
[15:41] <ByteJuggler> ok thanks... :)
[15:44] <charlie-tca> np
[15:50] <charlie-tca> ByteJuggler: If you need to ask a question and a channel is busy, just ask anyway. Someone will
[15:51] <charlie-tca> usually answer. Most of us are working on stuff, and don't always see right away.
[16:58] <bucket529> bug 285499 is a packaging request. Debian has it, but it seems like the build failed when Ubuntu tried to pick it up. I don't see any further work on it since then....So should it be Wishlist?
[17:00] <sroecker> I also like to have root
[17:01] <sroecker> couldn't create a deb file, it always complains about unuran stuff
[17:05] <sroecker> cool, didn't know someone uploaded it
[17:05] <james_w> bucket529: I've retitled the bug to reflect the actual issue
[17:07] <bucket529> james_w: Thanks
[18:24] <kirrus> what is the bug announce channel nowadays?
[18:26] <nellery> kirrus: #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[18:27] <kirrus> thanks nellery
[18:43] <bucket529> seb128: Thanks for the feedback. Good way to learn
[18:44] <seb128> bucket529: hi, what feedback?
[18:45] <bucket529> seb128: Feedback on bug 231280, bug 216660, bug 260766
[18:45] <seb128> bucket529: ah, you use different nicknames on irc and launchpad so I was not sure that was you ;-)
[18:45] <seb128> bucket529: you're welcome
[18:47] <james_w> hey seb128
[18:47] <seb128> hello james_w
[18:47] <james_w> thanks for fixing gst-plugins-good0.10
[18:49] <seb128> james_w: not sure that's a "fix", some people commented saying  the other upload was making it work again for them
[18:49] <james_w> heh :-)
[18:50] <seb128> james_w: but yeah, slangasek sent me a mail saying the patch was dropped yesterday when he approved the upload so it was on my todo
[18:51] <seb128> james_w: do you know who is looking at those bugs btw? I'm not sure why we use v4l there and some users setup are broken due to that
[18:51] <james_w> kees and lool are the best people to ask I think, they will probably know where to start
[18:52] <seb128> ok, will ping them tomorrow
[18:52] <seb128> I don't intend to work too much today ;-)
[19:11] <bucket529> bug 172384 - No Package/New/Undecided, 10 months old. Assigned to The Dell Team. No comments. Should it be assigned a package or priority or something?
[19:19] <bucket529> Found a pile of old bugs like bug 202821, upgrades to Hardy (yep, Hardy) lose their previously automounted disks. Is there a clever answer and marking that I should give these? Or are they all dupes of a single I should link to?
[19:24] <mrooney> bucket529: they could be dupes, if they seem to be I would mark them as dupes of the one with the most information and popularity
[19:25] <mrooney> anyone know if fglrx should work in Intrepid yet? I am not sure what to do with bug 286020
[19:28] <crimsun> mrooney: it works on an HP Pavilion I just tried
[19:28] <crimsun> mrooney: (I'm across the street from a Best Buy and popped in with a daily-live)
[19:32] <bucket529> mrooney: Thanks
[19:35] <greg-g> crimsun: thats an awesome idea, use the demo computers at retails to do hardware testing. you're brilliant!
[19:36] <rrittenhouse> crimsun: very nice idea :P
[19:37] <crimsun> greg-g: I've been doing that for years for sound driver development
[19:38] <greg-g> thats awesome
[19:38] <rrittenhouse> crimsun: do they complain?
[19:39] <crimsun> rrittenhouse: no employee has ever rebuked me [yet]
[19:39] <rrittenhouse> very cool
[19:39] <crimsun> granted, I know generally how the procedure goes, since I've worked there and at CompUSA
[19:40] <rrittenhouse> nice. btw great talk @ linuxfest.
[19:40] <crimsun> thanks
[19:43] <rrittenhouse> hopefully my audio goes well im using ubuntu on a mac mini. I'm streaming audio from a candidate forum as we speak.
[19:43] <rrittenhouse> so far so good :P
[19:56] <mrooney> rrittenhouse: is that talk online anywhere?
[19:56] <mrooney> I do love talks
[19:57] <rrittenhouse> yeah
[19:58] <rrittenhouse> http://www.whiznews.com/liveforum.php
[19:58] <rrittenhouse> mrooney: i should talk with you so we can compare notes
[20:11] <alex_mayorga1> hello all, anyone that might help me file the follow up bug report for this please https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/124159/comments/122
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> I filed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/286071 as a follow u, can somebody take a look in case I missed something?
[20:42] <crimsun> sec
[20:45] <crimsun> alex_mayorga: looks okay.  Which version of the firmware was extracted?
[21:10] <ronj> hello
[21:10] <nhandler> Hello ronj
[21:11] <ronj> I have resume issues after suspend/hibernate since some recent intrepid update. All Intel, worked fine in earlier builds. There are so many similar issues I don't know where to start. How can I help?
[21:12] <ronj> avec et sans compiz
[21:12] <ronj> whoops sorry. with and without compiz
[21:25] <ronj> ok that seems to be gnome-screensav segfaulting. result: I'm stuck at the screensaver instead of having a login screen as soon as I action kb|mouse
[21:26] <alex_mayorga> crimsun: how do I tell?
[22:32] <ronj> hello, I've filed #286127 about gnome-screensaver segfaulting. I think that's an interesting one because the bad behaviour is triggered incidentally in cases of suspend/resumes, which means badly diagnosed bugs. I found 3 such bugs that were closed because of missing info
[22:32] <ronj> could somebody check it out before I upstream it?
[22:50] <danage> what is the appropriate launchpad package to report a bug in network manager in intrepid?
[22:51] <Nafallo> danage: network-manager I'd assume.
[22:53] <danage> i found it, thanks


[00:18] <tomreyn> but then, #ubuntu is not for in-development releases like 20.10
[00:44] <Unit193> I don't think I saw that bit.
[01:14] <tomreyn> i actually mixed this person up with another, silly me.


[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[08:25] <naemm> hi
[12:25] <rainheart2027> can u guys merging bluestacks software that run android applications in ubunto the same thing bluestacks desing for windows
[12:27] <rainheart2027> try it ..why? lot of things run in android means by using ubunto platform it is safer and only using bluestacks software version it can use android software or application multitsking in ubunto.. PLEASE TRY AND BE DONE WITH IT... MANY PEOPLE WILL USE UBUNTO if it run on bluestacks that enable android apps in ubnto
[12:29] <rainheart2027> this urgent message to evolve unbunto for multi tasking means less typing code w.c means it is mobile like android ... just make a similarity of bluestacks software
[12:30] <rainheart2027> ENGR PLEASE MAKE A BLUSTACKS SOFTWARE SIMILARITY IN UBUNTO ... THAT MAKE IT MOBILE AND MULTI TASKING


[17:10] <PaulW2U> ahoneybun: I've added your podcast to the "Featured Audio and Video" section of the prep doc
[17:11] <ahoneybun> :) thanks PaulW2U
[20:04] <pleia2> so nice to see phone weekly updates and desktop meeting minutes landing on the news team list now so we don't miss them <3