[12:13] <c0nv1ct> chijin: its a bit of work to do manually, purging nvidia-glx and disabling the nv kernel module and all that
[12:14] <kel3> i'm a new linux client
[12:14] <eagles0513875> so i have to purge nvidia glx
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> chijin: theres a good howto on the forums for updating to the latest driver
[12:14] <eagles0513875> to get open gl to work with my ati
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> eagles0513875: no
[12:14] <chijin> c0nv1ct: i googled the repo
[12:14] <bigdad1e> cOnv1ct: its not showing my usb's when i do lsusb, is there any other command?
[12:14] <yan> kubuntu.pl
[12:14] <eagles0513875> what u recommend
[12:15] <eagles0513875> the driver im using is the one from the pkg manager
[12:15] <c0nv1ct> bigdad1e: yeah, but i forget, lemme look
[12:15] <bigdad1e> cOnv1ct: thanks
[12:16] <kel3> anyone can help me to install firefox ?
[12:16] <Nullbyte> Sure
[12:16] <kel3> it's the first time on linux
[12:17] <eagles0513875> kel sudo apt-get install firefox in the shell
[12:17] <bigdad1e> sudo aptitude install firefox
[12:17] <Nullbyte> Right
[12:17] <Nullbyte> Guuys
[12:17] <kel3> i downlaod it
[12:17] <Nullbyte> First time on linux
[12:17] <Nullbyte> kel, this is linux
[12:17] <kel3> and i extract all files now?
[12:17] <Nullbyte> :p
[12:17] <bigdad1e> is it a deb file?
[12:17] <Nullbyte> No
[12:17] <Nullbyte> Kel, go to your package manager
[12:17] <Nullbyte> Search for firefox
[12:17] <Nullbyte> and install it from there
[12:17] <c0nv1ct> bigdad1e: "cat /proc/bus/input/devices"
[12:17] <Nullbyte> It is quite easy
[12:17] <kel3> i tray wait
[12:18] <kel3> try
[12:18] <eagles0513875> im looking at the x settings in the system setting and its wanting to use fglrx
[12:18] <c0nv1ct> bigdad1e: that will give you way more detail :)
[12:18] <eagles0513875> could that be a problem if that is how i have it said
[12:18] <eagles0513875> *set
[12:19] <bigdad1e> cOnv1ct: what im doing is trying to find my phone and set it up on here. its really starting to get to me bc i still cant find it
[12:19] <kel3> nullbyte can we chat in pvt?
[12:19] <Nullbyte> kel, sure
[12:19] <kel3> where?
[12:19] <Nullbyte> um
[12:19] <c0nv1ct> bigdad1e: it should show up in there, getting it to actually work should be the hard part
[12:19] <kel3> how can we?
[12:20] <Nullbyte> Just talk here, this is for support after all
[12:20] <kel3> ok.... i must to open add application?
[12:20] <Nullbyte> No
[12:20] <bigdad1e> cOnv1ct: the only things showing are my keyboard, mouse, reciever, nd speakers
[12:20] <kel3> :-(
[12:20] <wolferines> what is the difference between a text and OEM install?
[12:20] <Nullbyte> Just a second
[12:21] <kel3> ok
[12:21] <Nullbyte> Do you see some package manager lying around?
[12:21] <c0nv1ct> wolferines: OEM is original equipment manufacturer, i dunno what that has to do with text install
[12:21] <kel3> i don't understand what are those package manager
[12:22] <bigdad1e> lol
[12:22] <wolferines> they are both choices in an "alternative" CD install
[12:22] <Nullbyte> A package manager is a program to download and install programs for you, Kel
[12:22] <bigdad1e> kel3: you will learn
[12:22] <kel3> ok where can i find it?
[12:22] <Nullbyte> Much easier than finding it on the net and downloading it yourself :)
[12:22] <c0nv1ct> wolferines: i wouldnt choose OEM
[12:22] <wolferines> k
[12:22] <Nullbyte> Um
[12:22] <bigdad1e> system adpet
[12:22] <Nullbyte> adpet? what?
[12:23] <Nullbyte> Kel, I dont remember what the KDE version is called
[12:23] <bigdad1e> adept package manager
[12:23] <Nullbyte> Oh.
[12:23] <kel3> sorry but i install kubuntu now and it's the first time on linux....
[12:23] <Nullbyte> Of course, Kel
[12:23] <Nullbyte> Thats fine :)
[12:23] <c0nv1ct> kel3: we understand, things are different, you'll get used to it quick
[12:24] <bigdad1e> hey i did
[12:24] <kel3> at school i use the text mode so...
[12:24] <Nullbyte> Ah
[12:24] <kel3> ok
[12:24] <Nullbyte> Just hit shift+f2 and write xterm
[12:24] <eagles0513875> kel ull luv it
[12:24] <Nullbyte> There you go, text mode for you
[12:24] <c0nv1ct> kel3: thats good, learning the command line helps a ton
[12:24] <Nullbyte> Command line ftw
[12:24] <Alonea> I am so going to kill my computer...
[12:24] <Nullbyte> I just killed mine, Alonea
[12:24] <Nullbyte> Kel, now you write apt-get install firefox
[12:24] <c0nv1ct> CLI is what i know, learning the GUI is tough, lol
[12:24] <Nullbyte> and then it downloads and installs it for you
[12:24] <Alonea> Nullbyte: good. kill it again.
[12:25] <kel3> i download the firefox.gz now... how to install it?
[12:25] <Nullbyte> Dont use the firefox gz
[12:25] <Alonea> when I got rid of a package it took off my fglrx and now I can't get it to install again...
[12:25] <Nullbyte> Alonea: I cant, the harddisk is busted.
[12:25] <Nullbyte> Kel, write apt-get install firefox
[12:25] <Nullbyte> or no, duh
[12:26] <Nullbyte> sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:26] <Alonea> Nullbyte: ^___^ I am vindictive. I wish suffering upon mine.
[12:26] <eagles0513875> that is what i said before
[12:26] <kel3> in run command?
[12:26] <c0nv1ct> kel3: always check Adept Manager for applications before downloading the source, it'll be much easier
[12:26] <Nullbyte> Alonea: :o Mine is suffering quite a lot, you dont want to hear how the processor sounds with cornflakes in it
[12:27] <Alonea> fun fun
[12:27] <Nullbyte> Quite
[12:27] <Nullbyte> Yes Kel
[12:27] <animesh> is it okay to upgrade to feisty now?
[12:27] <Alonea> well, it seems all the module stuff, or at least parts of the stuff from the fglrx is still in the system and I don't know how to get rid it because I don't know where it is....
[12:28] <kel3> ok i past "sudo apt-get install firefox" in run command but...
[12:28] <Nullbyte> Wait
[12:28] <Nullbyte> Run command
[12:28] <Alonea> Not even sure what I am looking for to remove.
[12:28] <Nullbyte> Where do you see that :B
[12:28] <c0nv1ct> Nullbyte: probably in the right click menu :)
[12:28] <Nullbyte> Alonea, tried sudo apt-get remove fglrx?
[12:28] <Nullbyte> :p
[12:28] <Alonea> Nullbyte: its right above switch user in your k menu
[12:29] <kel3> yes in k menu
[12:29] <Nullbyte> I am not using KDE at the moment, I am telling people what to do from what I remember x)
[12:29] <kel3> rolf....
[12:29] <Nullbyte> Yep
[12:29] <tjl30> lol
[12:29] <Nullbyte> Kel, write xterm in that run command thing
[12:30] <kel3> ok
[12:30] <kel3> it's prompt of linux
[12:30] <kel3> now?
[12:30] <Nullbyte> Now you write sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:30] <Alonea> Nullbyte: thats not the big problem. thats gone already, its the stuff it stored in the kernel I think thats still there. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d01742cec183112be090e459b74129606e258f79   See the module assistant stuff? I think all that stuff is still on.
[12:32] <shank> hello all
[12:32] <kel3> it tell to me that the pack it's obsolete and there is no version avalaible
[12:33] <kel3> but it's renamed to another pack
[12:33] <Nullbyte> try writing firefox
[12:33] <kel3> just write
[12:34] <Nullbyte> Yeah, in the terminal :)
[12:34] <Schuenemann> hey, I can't delete the contents of my pen drive
[12:35] <kel3> where are u from null byte?
[12:35] <Schuenemann> is it normal for a pen drive to be mounted at /media/FLASHDISK instead of /media/usbdisk ?
[12:35] <[pyro] > hurry up and send my stuff
[12:35] <Nullbyte> kel3, I am from Denmark, why?
[12:35] <Minataku> lol
[12:35] <kel3> information i'm italian
[12:35] <Nullbyte> Oh, thats interesting
[12:35] <Nullbyte> So, is firefox working?
[12:35] <Schuenemann> I can't change the permissions for my pen drive. What is going on?
[12:36] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann, try modifying it as root
[12:36] <kel3> no... nullb.
[12:36] <Schuenemann> I'm trying
[12:36] <Nullbyte> I think its mounted there
[12:36] <Nullbyte> How did you mount it?
[12:36] <Schuenemann> there are some weird files in the pen drive
[12:36] <Schuenemann> it was automatic, and not as root
[12:36] <Schuenemann> the owner isn't root
[12:36] <Netboy541> hey guys
[12:36] <tjl30> hello
[12:36] <Netboy541> i'm having a moment here, and need a little help
[12:36] <Nullbyte> kel3, what did the command output?
[12:37] <Netboy541> i'm trying to add some lines in modprobe
[12:37] <kel3> it's in italian...
[12:37] <Netboy541> but i can't find the config file
[12:37] <kel3> whait
[12:37] <eilker> we have rent a vps server (ubuntu installed)  http://ourip works at moment but http://www.ourdomain.com is not working, our hosting company is different from where we bought domain, what to do now ?
[12:37] <kel3> wait
[12:37] <Schuenemann> there are some files with 0b names "??", what is that?
[12:37] <Schuenemann> very strange
[12:37] <Schuenemann> named*
[12:37] <Nullbyte> kel3, show me anyway
[12:38] <kel3> tha opacket firefox haven't version avaliable
[12:38] <kel3> but it named to another packet
[12:38] <Nullbyte> Thats not italian :P
[12:38] <Nullbyte> Show me what it said, exactly
[12:38] <kel3> yes i translate... :_)
[12:39] <kel3> in italian?
[12:39] <Netboy541> anyone?
[12:39] <Nullbyte> Yes, in italian
[12:39] <kel3> ok
[12:39] <Nullbyte> Sorry netboy541, what?
[12:39] <Netboy541> i'm trying to add some lines into modprobe, but i can't remember where it is
[12:39] <Schuenemann> Nullbyte, any ideas on what should I do with this stupid pendrive?
[12:40] <Schuenemann> in order to access it, of course
[12:40] <Nullbyte> Netboy541, try asking in #ubuntu, I dont remember it either
[12:40] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann, have you considered formatting it?
[12:40] <Schuenemann> how do I?
[12:40] <kel3> il pacchetto firefox non ha versioni disponibili, ma  nominato da un'altro pacchetto. questo significa che il pacchetto manca,  diventato obsoleto o  disponibile solo all'interno di un'altra sorgente
[12:41] <Schuenemann> Nullbyte, I have recorded some files on it, before
[12:41] <bigdad1e> does anyone have an idea how to get my phone to sync with kubuntu?
[12:41] <Nullbyte> Hm, kel3
[12:41] <bigdad1e> tmobile mda
[12:41] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann: What format is it?
[12:41] <Schuenemann> vfat
[12:42] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann, I really dont know what you should do, try asking in #ubuntu
[12:42] <Minataku> !it | kel3
[12:42] <ubotu> kel3: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:42] <wolferines> need a bit of a hand here, do a new install, with the "alternative CD", and my "select and install software" isnt panning out properly, can I get a hand troubleshooting, or just continue past it (which I dont really want to do) ?
[12:42] <wolferines> doing*
[12:42] <Nullbyte> Ooh, theres an italian kubuntu channel? Nice.
[12:43] <Minataku> They can help you in your native language there, kel3 ^^
[12:43] <kel3> ok i'll go there thanks for the help... ciao!!!!
[12:43] <Schuenemann> I bought this one in ebay, maybe it's a very crappy one
[12:43] <Minataku> np, kel3 ^^
[12:43] <pengy> Stormie xD
[12:43] <Schuenemann> at least it seems so
[12:43] <Minataku> Stormie! How's Quinn?
[12:44] <Stormie> <-- New to this server :P
[12:44] <pengy> too many registered nicknames eh, babe?
[12:44] <wolferines> zzzz, no help here?
[12:44] <leandro> hey
[12:44] <Minataku> lol
[12:44] <Nullbyte> Heyhey
[12:44] <Mehwhatever> Looks like it ^^
[12:44] <wolferines> nm, it worked
[12:44] <bigdad1e> noone knows how to get my tmobile mda to sync with kubuntu?
[12:44] <pengy> Luckily I registered mine on here years ago... and they don't seem to time out :p
[12:44] <wolferines> sweet
[12:44] <Minataku> Mehwhatever: I was making a joke that was a reference to Sealab 2021
[12:45] <Mehwhatever> * Doesn't know what Sealab 2021 is*
[12:45] <Mehwhatever> *hides*
[12:45] <Alonea> How would I turn this around to where it removes them? sudo aptitude install module-assistant build-essential debhelper debconf dh-make fakeroot libstdc++5 linux-headers-$(uname -r)  ?
[12:46] <Alonea> Mehwhatever: oh gods, Sealab 2021. havent seen that in ages
[12:46] <Mehwhatever> Hmm, off to google :P
[12:46] <Schuenemann> Nullbyte, how do I format it, anyway?
[12:47] <Nullbyte> Schuenemann, write sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
[12:48] <Schuenemann> will that format as vfat?
[12:48] <brian_> whats happinin?
[12:48] <Mehwhatever> Ha! Here we go.
[12:49] <Hasrat_USA> does KDE have an alternative for Synaptics Package Manager? What if one is on KDE and doesn't want to run Synaptics Package Manager, which is a native application of GNOME, not KDE
[12:49] <brian_> adept
[12:49] <brian_> no?
[12:50] <Hasrat_USA> wow!
[12:51] <Hasrat_USA> why have I not been able to encounter Adept, KDE's native package manager and Synaptic's alternative even after having been using K/Ubuntu for the past 4 months?
[12:51] <brian_> any hams out here
[12:51] <martalli> adept is the default package manager on kde anyway...did you start with a ubuntu box and install the kubuntu desktop?
[12:51] <Hasrat_USA> Brain thanks a lot! It works. It was right there in KDE but I think I never clicked on it
[12:51] <Hasrat_USA> martalli: yes
[12:51] <brian_> ok good
[12:52] <martalli> I did that on my box at home, and adept still came up for package management, as long as I was logging into kde
[12:52] <Hasrat_USA> I have both GNOME and KDE now. okay it's time to enjoy Adept for a moment :P
[12:52] <brian_> when u re-up to kde after standard ubuntu?right?all the same
[12:52] <martalli> go to start->run and type adept.  That should open the program up for now
[12:53] <lx401396> qualcuno parla italiano
[12:53] <brian_> tried straight ubuntu...dont like gnome....kde all day...YAY KUBUNTU!!!
[12:53] <babag> tried to install edgy earlier today but couldn't.
[12:54] <martalli> i originaly started with mandrake years ago.  In mdk, you could add the common desktops but the main system utilties wouldn't change.  *buntu doesn't seem to like switching from gnome-kde, etc.
[12:54] <babag> didn't detect my mouse, left me keyboard only.
[12:54] <brian_> tons better than mandrake/driva and more user compliant than straight debian
[12:54] <brian_> prolly best ive tried so far for free
[12:55] <brian_> really no mouse eh?
[12:55] <babag> when i tried to navigate, though, some tabs wouldn't select and the enter key wouldn't work.
[12:55] <babag> had to give up.
[12:55] <martalli> kubuntu really is a nice system.  For very a very nicely tuned kde experience, mepis and pclinuxos do well, but the *buntus have them beat by a mile for community support
[12:55] <brian_> yeah i agree martalli
[12:55] <KanRiNiN> Hey I was wondering how AIGLX might interfer with OpenGL and Xv output from players like Kaffeine and Kmplayer.    See if that works
[12:58] <martalli> Even before that, just make sure the mouse is connected (happens to all of us lol)
[12:58] <brian_> the only time ive ever had problems with mouse/keyboard was with debian on a dell latitude cp
[12:58] <brian_> uh huh layer 0 is always a problem
[12:59] <babag> thanks martalli but i doubt it will. i've had a similar mouse problem with other distros - serial mouse.
[12:59] <brian_> SERIAL????
[12:59] <soulrider> omg, serial mouse?!
[12:59] <brian_> ps/2 serial or rs232?
[12:59] <soulrider> thats like... ancient!!
[01:00] <martalli> Honestly, I always loved debian (it was my first toe in the water for linux), but straight debian is difficult for desktop use.  Fortunately, the GPL makes it easy for projects like *buntu to leverage debian for great desktop use
[01:00] <brian_> is the ball worn down perhaps...lawl
[01:00] <brian_> flat spots and such
[01:00] <martalli> I still have an rs232 nouse (and an AT connector mouse)!
[01:00] <brian_> yikes!!!
[01:00] <Alonea> How different is this from fedora?
[01:00] <brian_> well kde is kde gnome is gnome
[01:01] <martalli> babag - time for a new mouse probably -
[01:01] <brian_> packaging in fedora/rpms
[01:01] <Alonea> Well, I know nothing about fedora. so like, can I get kde for it?
[01:01] <morvok> I remember using slackware with Kernel 1.2
[01:01] <brian_> of course
[01:01] <brian_> ahh slax on a floppy
[01:01] <martalli> fedora is a whole other "clan" of linux distros - there is little compatibility between kubuntu and fedora.  kubuntu is in the debian clan
[01:01] <martalli> I remember DOS 3.0
[01:02] <martalli> and VIC 20 Basic
[01:02] <Alonea> I was thinking about moving to fedora since I am having so many problems with this.
[01:02] <brian_> i always thought fedora was a red hat sponsered "edge" distro
[01:02] <morvok> Fedora is a plague.. terrible to use.
[01:02] <[pyro] > Alonea: i did the exact opp :D
[01:02] <Alonea> or just something else I know will work better.
[01:02] <[pyro] > too many problems with fedora so i moved to kubuntu
[01:02] <martalli> brian_: it is - but that is a whole different style of linux (rpm based, among other things)
[01:02] <[pyro] > it just worked (tm) on my laptop
[01:02] <Alonea> I could not get gentoo to install...
[01:02] <brian_> i gotcha
[01:02] <Hasrat_USA> hey brian
[01:02] <soulrider> Alonea: really? i prefer kubuntu over fedora a LOT
[01:02] <Hasrat_USA> thanks again man!
[01:03] <martalli> Alonea:  What sort of problem are you having?
[01:03] <brian_> yo adept r00lz
[01:03] <soulrider> Alonea: i couldnt get gentoo to install either :P
[01:03] <Alonea> soulrider: well, I like kubuntu, but it breaks withing a couple days...
[01:03] <soulrider> Alonea: never broke for me =/
[01:03] <[pyro] > breaks?
[01:03] <martalli> Alonea:  That really sounds strange.  what do you ean by "breaks"
[01:03] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: stop breaking it :P
[01:03] <[pyro] > lol
[01:03] <brian_> no doubt
[01:04] <Hasrat_USA> a nice, sleek interface can dramatically change the way the end-user thinks of you and the software you wrote
[01:04] <martalli> "sudo rm -r /" is only a joke, don't try it on your comp ....
[01:04] <Hasrat_USA> GNOME fails to attract even the author of GNU/Linux's kernel Linus Torvald
[01:05] <brian_> thats how u spell suicide in linux speak
[01:05] <soulrider> martalli: dont put stuff liek that here, newbies might actually do it =.
[01:05] <Alonea> I mean, I thought fglrx used the 4.x version of gcc, and it used 3 instead so when I removed 3 it removed fglrx and now i can't get it to go back on anymore and all the modules I removed for my wificard to work came back. Also I can't shutdown, reboot, etc. my computer if I have fglrx on. Also, I usually end up doing something silly because I get so frustrated trying to make something work...
[01:05] <martalli> soulrider - yeah you're right, ignore that
[01:05] <Alonea> ...and end up locking myself  completely out of my user account....
[01:05] <babag> i could probably get the mouse working, always have in the past, if the installer's keyboard interface was properly responsive.
[01:05] <brian_> gnome is useful for the mac converts
[01:05] <brian_> new mouse=5 bucks
[01:05] <martalli> Alonea  Were you trying to compile fglrx?
[01:05] <roland_> whats the command to install vlc media player? sudo apt-get install   ?
[01:06] <brian_> what kinda box is that serial mouse on?
[01:06] <soulrider> Alonea: i never had any problems with kubuntu like that
[01:06] <roland_> package
[01:06] <soulrider> Alonea: why dont you install the build-essential package ?
[01:06] <brian_> use adept
[01:06] <soulrider> roland_: sudo apt-get install vlc
[01:06] <Alonea> martalli: I am installing the binary drivers for my video card following the how to
[01:06] <[pyro] > before kde i used E, but using kde ever since it first came out
[01:06] <Alonea> and if I use the "repo" way I get a black screen where it goes on fine if I do it the "manual" way
[01:06] <roland_> soulrider: E: Couldn't find package vlc
[01:07] <brian_> hey so what ever happened to compiz/xgl?
[01:07] <martalli> Aalonea:  Honestly - there are .debs for that.  If you want to install fglrx painlessly, try automatix
[01:07] <soulrider> roland_: do you have nultiverse and universe enabled ?
[01:07] <Alonea> martalli: I did put the .debs on
[01:07] <roland_> i dont think so
[01:07] <soulrider> !repos > roland_
[01:07] <[pyro] > brian_ check out beryl
[01:07] <Alonea> martalli: thing is, when you run the ati......run it makes the nice deb files.
[01:07] <martalli> alonea: However, ATI's driver is leagues behind nvidia.  I have neevr used it.  The same would probably go for any distro at all.  Fedora woul have to use the same binary blob from ATI
[01:08] <babag> it's a trackball with a form factor i like and can't find any more.
[01:08] <frojnd> is there any program to cut or edit wav files?
[01:08] <Alonea> martalli: but that ati.run thing will no longer make them....
[01:08] <frojnd> I just needed to cut it
[01:08] <babag> have them on all boxes here
[01:08] <biggie> HELP - i have 384mg ram running on ubutu 6.06. the last 2 days ktorrent has quit after an hour or 2 because of memory problems - any one have any ideas
[01:08] <brian_> ahh
[01:08] <[pyro] > frojnd: audacity
[01:08] <martalli> Give kubuntu one last try with a clean install and then use automatix to install the fglrx driver
[01:08] <martalli> !automatix
[01:08] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:08] <Alonea> martalli: and really, I am getting tired of redoing my system... whats automatix?
[01:08] <martalli> lol - ubotu doesn't like it but check out getautomatix.com
[01:09] <Alonea> well, it installed perfectly fine, but the no shutdown thing is a common bug that has yet to be fixed...
[01:09] <martalli> It's the lazy but simple way of getting the drivers.  Beautiful results with all my nvidia cards
[01:09] <evfreshman2025> can someone help me install Flash? im new to Kubuntu today!
[01:09] <frojnd> !WorksForMe
[01:09] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[01:09] <Alonea> its just if after the fact if anything messes up, its messed up for good
[01:09] <brian_> oh flash
[01:09] <frojnd> :>
[01:09] <martalli> but unless you really need 3d graphics, stick to the free drivers and iignore the fglrx driuver
[01:10] <brian_> follow the instructions provide with the plugin
[01:10] <brian_> now java webstart would be nice to use
[01:10] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: goto a page with flash, install missing plugin. 9if you are using firefox that is)
[01:10] <Alonea> martalli: I reallllly need the 3d.
[01:10] <evfreshman2025> i tried, but i just dont understand
[01:10] <brian_> eh flash istalls with ummm ./install_flash_plugin???
[01:10] <Alonea> martalli: there are even screensavers that wont work without it and I also play games like UT2004 and use DOSBOX
[01:10] <evfreshman2025> yeah thats it
[01:11] <brian_> er umm sudo
[01:11] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: bah, I just let firefox install it for me.
[01:11] <evfreshman2025> but it says to enter it into some box, and im completly lost
[01:11] <brian_> uh terminal
[01:11] <evfreshman2025> how do you like firefox install it?
[01:11] <brian_> xterm
[01:11] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: you have never used firefox before? its what I used on windows...
[01:11] <brian_> java was fun to install when i was picking a browser...seems to work best in Konq
[01:12] <frojnd> Can't start audacity properly: There was an error initializing the audio i/o player. You will not be albe to play or record audio. What can I do to get this error when I click on audacity?
[01:12] <brian_> what everyone should use in Window$
[01:12] <evfreshman2025> yeah i have, but when i go to somthing with flash, it just says download the file and it says to enter ./firefox blah blah
[01:12] <brian_> right
[01:12] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: lets start bythe begining
[01:12] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/  , go there, and do install missing plugin on the FLASH box, not shockwave
[01:13] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: if that doesn't work, we will install through terminal.
[01:13] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: you should read the package documentation, its short and you will understand how things work here
[01:13] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: once you read it you will realize how easy it is to install comehting
[01:13] <brian_> perhaps a Linux newbie?
[01:13] <brian_> not just Kubuntu?
[01:13] <soulrider> brian_: thats why, lets introduce him properly
[01:14] <brian_> right on
[01:14] <evfreshman2025> im new to the whole Linux thing. i used windows, but i got so sick of it
[01:14] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: its really important that you read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware you iwll understand and learn lots of things
[01:14] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: dont worry, weve all been there, i understand how you feel
[01:14] <Nullbyte> evfreshman2025: Welcome!
[01:14] <evfreshman2025> thanks everyone!!! i was soo lost today
[01:15] <brian_> flash is very important
[01:15] <soulrider> lol, its ok man, we all were once
[01:15] <evfreshman2025> okay, so i clicked on install, and it said "Unknown Plugin"
[01:15] <Alonea> martalli: so far I have had to reinstall Kubuntu twice and slackware was even more trouble...I just wish there was a distro that more or less didn't completely freak out with my video card. So far I have only heard that the no shutdown is only a ubuntu thing.
[01:15] <brian_> ok the .bin file needs to be downloded
[01:15] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: on Flash? (thats the second box)
[01:15] <brian_> and saved to a folder in ur home dir
[01:16] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: dont do what Alonea tells you :P just reaed that guide first, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[01:16] <evfreshman2025> no, it says "click here to download plugin" and it has a puzzle piece picture
[01:16] <brian_> uh huh
[01:16] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: and just so you know, shockwave is not supported on linux...most unfortunate, though if you install firefox on wine you can get it.
[01:16] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: yes, click on the bottom box, and that will go to a install plugin screen
[01:17] <evfreshman2025> what box? there is only one that has a puzzle piece in it
[01:17] <brian_> it may not install automatically for him
[01:17] <evfreshman2025> if i click on "install Flash" i get to a page with two different links
[01:18] <Hasrat_USA> when you type tomboy in Konsole, what are you supposed to see?
[01:18] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: again, read the guide, it simportant that you read it, dont try to install flash that way
[01:18] <Alonea> evfreshman2025: Wait, are the one or 2 boxes with a puzzle...wait, what version of firefox do you have? goto help about
[01:18] <evfreshman2025> firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:19] <brian_> dont get discouraged evf
[01:19] <chijin> installing flash from the command line is pretty easy
[01:19] <Alonea> ok, and do you have 1 or 2 boxes with a puzzle piece in it?
[01:19] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: do you know if you have enabled universe and multiverse ?
[01:19] <brian_> whoa
[01:19] <evfreshman2025> ^^ I have no idea what that is!!!
[01:19] <Hasrat_USA> i type tomboy in konsole and see nothing. only a little bit of space seems to be taken away from the system tray every time i type tomboy, although the program launches fine and i see the verbose output in shell. how can i get back the system tray icon for it?
[01:20] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: just read the guide, please!
[01:20] <brian_> evf are u comfortable with old dos command line?
[01:20] <evfreshman2025> Okay, im going to read the page you sent me
[01:20] <evfreshman2025> be back in 3 mins!!!
[01:20] <soulrider> yes, please, you will understand how installing software works and how easy it is
[01:20] <Alonea> ok, anyone else have any other distro suggestions?
[01:21] <brian_> as in "not" Kubuntu? no
[01:21] <soulrider> well, if you have used fedora, then go back to it
[01:21] <soulrider> but id still use ubuntu
[01:21] <Alonea> soulrider: no, not yet. haven't tried it
[01:22] <Alonea> I just want to have something that doesn't break in a week..
[01:22] <Nullbyte> osx? :x
[01:22] <brian_> Alonea?what do you use ur pc for?
[01:22] <soulrider> Alonea: i dont know how you could break ubuntu
[01:23] <Alonea> brian_: internet, games, art, video stuff, multimedia stuff, programming, office.
[01:24] <Alonea> soulrider: done it twice. I am really good at breaking things it seems.
[01:24] <evfreshman2025> grrrrr!!!!
[01:24] <soulrider> aparently
[01:24] <brian_> what breaks about it?
[01:24] <evfreshman2025> I read over it. and it shows me how to install somthing
[01:24] <brian_> what are you trying to do? when it breaks?
[01:24] <chijin> i've only ever broken ubuntu when i had broken hardware and data was corrupting.. other than that, breaking it is really hard
[01:25] <evfreshman2025> but it says to use the Kubuntu Package Menu, but i have ARK
[01:25] <brian_> ark is for compressing
[01:25] <Hasrat_USA> brian_ can you do me a favour? can you go to your terminal, type tomboy and see if you can notice any icon in your system tray?
[01:25] <chijin> ark is also for decompressing
[01:25] <brian_> like zip files
[01:25] <Alonea> well, once I was trying to install something and it wanted me to move files that were in the root and I didn't know about kdesu konqueror at that point and I literally locked myself out of my user account
[01:25] <brian_> well that too
[01:26] <evfreshman2025> so what program do i use to install somthing?
[01:26] <brian_> adept
[01:26] <Hasrat_USA> adept
[01:26] <brian_> lawl
[01:26] <Nullbyte> apt-get :x
[01:26] <chijin> aptitude <3
[01:26] <Nullbyte> :p
[01:26] <brian_> however there may not be a package for flash in the "universe"
[01:26] <chijin> the more you get used to command line, the better it gets
[01:26] <evfreshman2025> okay, someone walk me thorugh this.
[01:27] <brian_> ok evf
[01:27] <evfreshman2025> I have an Icon on my desktop and it says "Install_Flash_Player_9"
[01:27] <brian_> ya got me?
[01:27] <chijin> evfreshman2025: i can walk you through installing flash in the command line
[01:27] <evfreshman2025> the picture is a closed package
[01:27] <brian_> somebody better @ typin than me?
[01:28] <brian_> ok now real easy...evf
[01:28] <brian_> open home folder
[01:28] <evfreshman2025> home folder?
[01:28] <brian_> right click make a new folder name it flash ...just to be tidy
[01:28] <yacoob> Hi.
[01:28] <yacoob> Which process exactly does 'run command' window belong to? KWin?
[01:28] <evfreshman2025> okay
[01:28] <evfreshman2025> done
[01:29] <brian_> right click ur file on ur desktop click cut
[01:29] <evfreshman2025> mmk done
[01:29] <brian_> right click in new folder named flash and paste 1 file
[01:29] <laptop> whats new??
[01:30] <brian_> ok now in flash folder
[01:30] <evfreshman2025> wait
[01:30] <brian_> okie dokie
[01:30] <evfreshman2025> do i right click on flash, and click copy?
[01:31] <evfreshman2025> and when click paste on the flash folder?
[01:31] <brian_> at the desktop where is was downloaded to click cut
[01:31] <laptop> ubuntu rocks!!!
[01:31] <brian_> open new flash folder
[01:31] <evfreshman2025> oh i see
[01:31] <evfreshman2025> okay its in the folder
[01:31] <brian_> then paste it in new flash folder
[01:31] <brian_> basically moving it there to be tidy
[01:32] <evfreshman2025> okay now what?
[01:32] <brian_> right click the file and "extract to here"
[01:32] <evfreshman2025> "extracting"
[01:32] <brian_> okie dokie
[01:33] <evfreshman2025> done
[01:33] <brian_> go into new install flash player 9 linux folder
[01:33] <evfreshman2025> done
[01:34] <brian_> right click in empty area of folder ...actions......open terminal here
[01:34] <Tm_T> errr?
[01:34] <evfreshman2025> okay i have the terminal open
[01:34] <brian_> a terminal window will open
[01:34] <Tm_T> you're installing flash manually?
[01:34] <brian_> right on
[01:34] <Alonea> I guess I can try starting over one more time and try again. I know I am going to get the no shutdown thing until someone figures out how to fix it. Things I need to get working at that point are my wifi card, which I have done enough to know how to do it, i need to get my wacom tablet working correctly (confused on how to do that), dosbox(*), epsxe(*), wine(*), games(*), extra programs...
[01:34] <Alonea> ...(*these I can do).
[01:34] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: or what?
[01:34] <brian_> ok evf
[01:34] <brian_> type dir in terminal
[01:35] <brian_> yes flash plugin
[01:35] <Tm_T> brian_: why manually?
[01:35] <brian_> no package....this way more fun
[01:35] <evfreshman2025> wait, type in "yes flash plugin" in the terminal?
[01:35] <Tm_T> brian_: well, there should be package, no need to fiddle around :)
[01:35] <brian_> nooooooooooooo
[01:35] <brian_> we are almost done here
[01:35] <evfreshman2025> lol oh okay
[01:36] <Alonea> Tm_T: Firefox was nice to me and installed it itself
[01:36] <brian_> ok
[01:36] <brian_> type this in terminal
[01:36] <Tm_T> Alonea: I don't say it isn't nice, but there's usually no need to
[01:36] <brian_> ./flashplayer-installer
[01:36] <Tm_T> !flash
[01:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:36] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:37] <Nullbyte> >:3
[01:37] <Tm_T> !backports
[01:37] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[01:37] <evfreshman2025> it said "No such file or directory"
[01:37] <Hasrat_USA> what about the flash authoring software? when would GNU/Linux users be able to use it?
[01:38] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: hmm, you mean some Adobe product?
[01:38] <brian_> is there a file when you "dir" named something like flashplayer-installer
[01:38] <Tm_T> brian_: I recommend to install it from packages instead of trying to fiddle ;)
[01:39] <brian_> we've been over that
[01:39] <brian_> he's gotta learn linux somehow
[01:39] <Hasrat_USA> Tm_T: yes. I believe that adobe isn't and macromedia wasn't going to develop/port GNU/Linux versions of Flash, Dreamweaver etc because they can't lawfully release those versions without revealing the source codes
[01:39] <chijin> evfreshman2025: in terminal, type in ./f and press tab then enter
[01:39] <evfreshman2025> i got it
[01:39] <brian_> that too
[01:39] <brian_> thx chijin
[01:39] <evfreshman2025> it said instalation complete
[01:40] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: no, you can do linux version of stuff without revealing sources, look flashplayer or skype now
[01:40] <brian_> forgot the macro keys still bi with windows @ work
[01:40] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: or nvidia drivers ;)
[01:40] <brian_> ok evf...got flash test page and rejoice
[01:40] <brian_> do a dance
[01:40] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: so it's up to Adobe to do it, go ask from them when it's coming ;)
[01:41] <evfreshman2025> whats the flash test page?
[01:41] <brian_> search for test flash
[01:41] <Hasrat_USA> Tm_T: then what is taking them so long to enable Linux users to use Flash? Nowadays there is a good demand for flash developers, specially action script programmers
[01:41] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: youtube.com for example ;-P
[01:41] <brian_> er stickam
[01:41] <brian_> lol
[01:41] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: ask from Adobe
[01:41] <evfreshman2025> UGH! it says i need to unstall flash!
[01:41] <brian_> if ur young
[01:41] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: did you install it from adobes site ?
[01:41] <brian_> scroll down that may be the shockwave
[01:41] <brian_> theres two on top of eachother
[01:42] <evfreshman2025> im on youtube
[01:42] <evfreshman2025> and when i try to watch a video
[01:42] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: really can't say why they are not interested :|
[01:42] <evfreshman2025> it says "install the latest Flash Player"
[01:42] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: konqueror?
[01:42] <brian_> yeah um firefox or konq
[01:42] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: did you read the link i sent you? installing flash is as easy as typing one command in the console
[01:43] <evfreshman2025> yes i did read it, and it didnt work!
[01:43] <Hasrat_USA> Tm_T: good news is that nowadays many large corporations are showing huge interest in Linux. for example, IBM. and google already hired Gaim's lead developer to write codes for the upcoming linux version of Googletalk
[01:43] <brian_> give me kopete or give me cellphone er umm...lawl
[01:43] <soulrider> evfreshman2025: enable the universe and multiverse repos and then you can install flash easily
[01:43] <nyinge> Hasrat_USA<  that's very good news
[01:43] <soulrider> !repos > evfreshman2025
[01:43] <soulrider> !flash > evfreshman2025
[01:43] <Hasrat_USA> brian kopete, amsn, gaim...none of these have voice support yet
[01:44] <Hasrat_USA> *has
[01:44] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: untrue, I've used Kopete to talk with googletalk contacts
[01:44] <brian_> thats ok
[01:44] <evfreshman2025> im sooooooo confused right now!!!
[01:44] <Hasrat_USA> and in today's corporate and fast environment, voice and webcam support is extremely important
[01:44] <brian_> evf are you running firefox?
[01:44] <evfreshman2025> yes i am
[01:44] <brian_> ok close it
[01:45] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: yeah, I used it on MSN with my friends using my EyeToy
[01:45] <brian_> close all browsers
[01:45] <nyinge> what do u guys suggest for cross platform video conferencing..  mainly Mac and Linux
[01:45] <evfreshman2025> okay all closed
[01:45] <brian_> reopen firefox do a google for flash test
[01:45] <Alonea> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/
[01:45] <HaSH> evfreshman2025, about:pluins will tell you what plugsin you have in firefox...type that in the adress bar
[01:45] <Tm_T> nyinge: Ekiga and other SIP stuff
[01:45] <brian_> had firefox open the whjole time?
[01:45] <bxnp> but Alonea kopete has webcam support
[01:46] <brian_> click on the first one you see
[01:46] <brian_> should be from adobe
[01:46] <nyinge> Tm_T<  thanks, i'll look into those
[01:46] <brian_> top plugin warning is for shockwave
[01:46] <Alonea> bxnp: didn't say it didn't. though I doubt my Eyetoy would work on linux..it only works on windows due to hacked drivers
[01:46] <brian_> wont work as previously stated
[01:46] <evfreshman2025> nope
[01:46] <brian_> no good eh?
[01:46] <evfreshman2025> Shockwave player dosent work
[01:47] <brian_> right it wont
[01:47] <evfreshman2025> neither does flash
[01:47] <Hasrat_USA> Tm_T: i bet  there are some things that you haven't been able to do yet. 1) you haven't been able to use gaim or any other yahoo client for linux to 1) have voice chat with your friends, 2) listen to voice conversations in open chat rooms. also, using the linux version of Skype, you can't join those big voice meetings that you would be able to enjoy if you were on windows platform
[01:47] <brian_> does flash under it
[01:47] <brian_> scroll down
[01:47] <brian_> shoot
[01:47] <evfreshman2025> it says i will need to get the latest FP
[01:47] <brian_> still got terminal open
[01:47] <brian_> ??
[01:47] <evfreshman2025> nope
[01:47] <evfreshman2025> but ill open it
[01:48] <evfreshman2025> okay its open
[01:48] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: ofcourse there's lots of things I haven't done yet in Linux, but also there's lots of things I can do in Linux but prolly will never can do in proprietary environment :)
[01:48] <Hasrat_USA> now Tm_T: may be you can use Gyachi to do voice chat with other Yahoo messenger users. but its interface sucks. there is not much problem with 'type'-chatting with users of other protocols, but i was specially emphasizing on voice
[01:48] <brian_> cd /home/flash/install_flash_player_9_linux
[01:48] <brian_> make sure you are here again
[01:48] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: and I use mostly only IRC so I'm happy with only text :)
[01:49] <Alonea> another thing I miss from msn messenger was the share folders...my friends keep bugging me about it even.
[01:49] <evfreshman2025> should i type in dir then cd/home
[01:49] <brian_> clkose all browsers
[01:49] <brian_> no dir
[01:49] <brian_> just like that
[01:49] <evfreshman2025> okay
[01:49] <chijin> Alonea: check out allpeers add-on for firefox
[01:49] <brian_> ./flashplayer-installer
[01:49] <brian_> try it again
[01:49] <brian_> it should have worked the first time
[01:50] <brian_> ive never had a problem this way
[01:50] <Alonea> chijin: hmm, whats it do?
[01:50] <evfreshman2025> nope
[01:50] <evfreshman2025> no such file or directory
[01:50] <brian_> whats in the dir
[01:50] <chijin> Alonea: http://www.allpeers.com/
[01:50] <brian_> copty paste it here
[01:50] <Nullbyte> evfreshman2025, write cd Desktop
[01:50] <Nullbyte> and then do ./flashplayer-installer
[01:51] <evfreshman2025> dir?
[01:51] <brian_> its been moved
[01:51] <chuck> so i have my system set up exactly the way i want on the hardware that i have right now. however, i bought a new 300 GB HD and want to pretty much copy this hard drive to that one, and have the extra room. would mondobackup be the easiest way to do that?
[01:51] <brian_> type dir in terminal
[01:51] <Nullbyte> no chuck
[01:51] <Alonea> chijin: hmm, interesting, though I doubt I could get my friends to do it though. I had to yell at them to install new versions of msn...no use me having it when no one else I know does.
[01:51] <evfreshman2025> file:///home/mike/Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[01:51] <brian_> copy paste the file names in here
[01:51] <brian_> ok no good
[01:51] <Hasrat_USA> well Tm_T if you are happy with IRC then you wouldn't necessarily need to have voice chat on a regular basis. But as a newbie I was dumb-founded to not be able to find a quality alternative for Yahoo messenger when i first installed Linux. I needed a yahoo messsenger with voice support for linux so badly because my mom back in my homeland is illiterate, can't even type in her own language and resorts to voice to communicate with me.
[01:51] <Hasrat_USA> and it is a well-known fact that nobody except a few professional programmers such as erica andrews showed enough interest in solving these sort of problems
[01:51] <chuck> Nullbyte: what's easier?
[01:51] <brian_> it didnt extract
[01:52] <beta> hi
[01:52] <evfreshman2025> how do i extract it?
[01:52] <brian_> in the file manager right clickk it and extract it
[01:52] <Nullbyte> chuck, I would do something like dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda, but that depends on the setup
[01:52] <beta> is it normal behavior that after an upgrade your program settings get changed (or erased for that matter)
[01:52] <beta> ?
[01:52] <Nullbyte> and someone probably has a better way to do it too
[01:52] <chuck> okay, i know about dd (sort of)
[01:52] <evfreshman2025> whats the file manager?
[01:53] <brian_> konqueror
[01:53] <Hasrat_USA> Erica wrote Gyachi, which also has voice and webcam supports and it's not buggy and it just works to some extent but none of the default programs such as gaim, kopete amsn etc doesn't have voice support
[01:53] <brian_> homefolder
[01:53] <chuck> Nullbyte: just a little hazy on setting up the swap space and partitions on the new drive first
[01:53] <brian_> next to k start icon
[01:53] <evfreshman2025> i got it
[01:53] <Hasrat_USA> but googletalk is going to be revolutionary
[01:53] <evfreshman2025> so im under home files
[01:53] <evfreshman2025> *home folder*
[01:53] <Tm_T> Hasrat_USA: how's that?
[01:53] <brian_> and ur new flash folder is ther too right
[01:54] <evfreshman2025> yup yup
[01:54] <Nullbyte> chuck, if you just copy your whole drive over, all partitions should come along with it
[01:54] <brian_> open it
[01:54] <Nullbyte> If that is what you want, chuck
[01:54] <evfreshman2025> okay
[01:54] <Hasrat_USA> googletalk's linux version is going to be professionally written and it's gonna allow people who need voice support too badly to talk to almost any users of any protocol such as MSN, yahoo etc etc and that's all there is to it
[01:54] <brian_> one regular folder and a tar file >????
[01:54] <chuck> Nullbyte: yeah, that's pretty much what i want. i actually have a spare drive that i think i can try it with first
[01:54] <brian_> or just one file?
[01:54] <chuck> Nullbyte: thanks
[01:54] <evfreshman2025> yeah
[01:55] <brian_> just the one?
[01:55] <evfreshman2025> 1 reg. folder, and the flash tar.gz file
[01:55] <brian_> ok open folder
[01:55] <evfreshman2025> okaym done
[01:55] <Hasrat_USA> um lol what's up with this conversation on installing flash player anyways?
[01:55] <brian_> all browsers closed?
[01:55] <evfreshman2025> yep
[01:56] <brian_> right click in open area actions open terminal here
[01:56] <tariq> hello, can someone tell me why I get the msg "no such file or directory" when I try to use ./configure?
[01:56] <evfreshman2025> okay its open
[01:56] <chijin> this flash conversation has been going on for 50 minutes now. i though installing flash is a one minute thing tops :-P
[01:56] <Hasrat_USA> I thought the most easiest and quickest way of installing flash player was to go to youtube right after installing U/Kubuntu and follow whatever instruction could be seen on screen :P
[01:56] <brian_> now have u setup a root password yet?
[01:56] <evfreshman2025> a root password?
[01:56] <brian_> lol
[01:57] <Alonea> damn...i was trying to see if I could install MSN on wine...
[01:57] <brian_> sorry to laugh
[01:57] <brian_> hold one
[01:57] <tariq> hello, can someone tell me why I get the msg "no such file or directory" when I try to use ./configure?
[01:57] <evfreshman2025> is that like my account password?
[01:57] <Hasrat_USA> chijin: it takes a little less than 30 seconds for firefox to pick up the player/software from adobe's site and then go forward and play an youtube video
[01:57] <chijin> tariq: you're typing it in the wrong folder
[01:57] <brian_> nope not yet
[01:58] <chijin> tariq: what did you do before you typed ./configure? extracted something?
[01:58] <brian_> hold on im looking for the fix i cannot remeber the command to make the root password...anybody?
[01:58] <evfreshman2025> what do i do now?
[01:58] <brian_> hold on
[01:58] <Nullbyte> brian_, its sudo passwd
[01:58] <Hasrat_USA> Alonea: the best thing you can do, if you don't have much time and interest, is to wait for google to come up with their linux version of googletalk. work is already under progress
[01:58] <Nullbyte> then enter a new password, and enter it again
[01:58] <Nullbyte> then do su
[01:59] <brian_> no the first time root password set
[01:59] <brian_> er yeah ur right sorry
[01:59] <brian_> evf?
[01:59] <evfreshman2025> yes?
[01:59] <brian_> type in what he said
[01:59] <tariq> jep, and I tried typing it both in the folder with the unextracted AND in the folder with the extracted files
[01:59] <brian_> sudo passwd
[01:59] <brian_> pick a password
[02:00] <brian_> irt can be the same as urs
[02:00] <chuck> anyone know when 2.6.17-11 was added to ubuntu edgy?
[02:00] <evfreshman2025> wait...on the terminal type in sudo>?
[02:00] <brian_> yep
[02:00] <brian_> sudo passwd
[02:00] <brian_> thx nullbyte
[02:00] <brian_> brain fart
[02:01] <Nullbyte> brian_: You are welcome!
[02:01] <Hasrat_USA> chuck: nope, although i can find out if i do some simple searches. however, few months ago when i installed U/Kubuntu, it was automatically upgraded to 2.6.17-11 right after installation
[02:01] <romeo_> Hi i am trying to install a cursor theme.. it says i should copy the directory to ~/.icons.. but i dont have a directory like that (i tried typing cd ~/.icons)
[02:01] <tariq> chijin: yep, and I tried typing it both in the folder with the unextracted AND in the folder with the extracted files
[02:01] <evfreshman2025> got it
[02:01] <evfreshman2025> i changed it
[02:01] <brian_> ok good
[02:01] <brian_> now
[02:01] <chuck> ok cool
[02:01] <brian_> type
[02:01] <brian_> su
[02:01] <chuck> hope i don't need to reinstall lirc / nvidia after i do this upgrade   =\
[02:01] <brian_> enter ur password
[02:01] <evfreshman2025> done
[02:01] <evfreshman2025> it says root
[02:01] <gendejesus> ?
[02:02] <brian_> dir
[02:02] <brian_> in term
[02:02] <brian_> for neatness
[02:02] <Hasrat_USA> hopefully you wouldn't need to
[02:02] <evfreshman2025> okay
[02:02] <evfreshman2025> done
[02:02] <gendejesus> WHOS HERE
[02:02] <brian_> the file like flashplayer-installer
[02:02] <Nullbyte> not me, gendejesus
[02:02] <brian_> double left click it
[02:02] <chuck> it'll be good for me if i do. i need practice  =)
[02:02] <HumpBack> With feisty I get some errors about missing alternatives in "update-java-alternatives -s java-1.5.0-sun" about missing javac... But the files are in the path that the update complains.
[02:02] <brian_> in terminal
[02:02] <brian_> copy
[02:02] <brian_> the text
[02:03] <evfreshman2025> okay
[02:03] <evfreshman2025> done
[02:03] <brian_> then type ./"pasted text"
[02:03] <evfreshman2025> to install predd enter
[02:03] <brian_> right click paset of course
[02:03] <Nullbyte> brian_, evfreshman2025: its easier to just drag and drop the file on the terminal window
[02:04] <Nullbyte> instead of that doubleclicking
[02:04] <brian_> that too
[02:04] <evfreshman2025> "please entrer the installation path of Mzilla, Seamonkey or firefox broswert"
[02:04] <brian_> ok
[02:04] <brian_> uh
[02:04] <chijin> evfreshman2025: do you have firefox installed?
[02:04] <evfreshman2025> (i.e., /usr/lib/mozille)
[02:04] <evfreshman2025> yes i do
[02:05] <brian_> i think that is it
[02:05] <chijin> my flash player is installed at ~/.mozilla/plugins
[02:05] <evfreshman2025> so what do i type in as the path
[02:05] <brian_> "/usr/lib/Firefox"
[02:05] <brian_> without quotes
[02:06] <chijin> i ran that same flash installer yesterday and the default path was correct
[02:06] <brian_> ok
[02:06] <chijin> so just pressing enter would do there
[02:06] <evfreshman2025> instillation complete
[02:06] <brian_> ok good
[02:06] <evfreshman2025> perform another installiotn? (y/n)
[02:06] <evfreshman2025> type N?
[02:06] <brian_> go test <--crosses fingers
[02:07] <brian_> correct
[02:07] <brian_> no more installations
[02:07] <evfreshman2025> SON OF A B********** it didnt work!
[02:07] <Nullbyte> haha, oh wow.
[02:08] <brian_> well
[02:08] <chijin> when running the installer, you might just want to press enter to every question except the last one
[02:08] <chijin> or yes/y
[02:08] <chijin> the default values are correct
[02:08] <brian_> chijin may be correct.....probably is
[02:09] <brian_> yeah
[02:09] <brian_> ok evf still got terminal; open
[02:09] <beta> im having all sorts of crazy problems since the last update#
[02:09] <beta> -#
[02:09] <evfreshman2025> just a sec
[02:09] <brian_> okie dokie
[02:10] <brian_> just wait till u need java
[02:10] <brian_> lol
[02:10] <evfreshman2025> okay its open
[02:10] <brian_> back to where you need to be?
[02:10] <evfreshman2025> is there any other way to install this?
[02:10] <brian_> where you were before?
[02:10] <brian_> well apparently u can change ur repositories and get it as a package
[02:11] <evfreshman2025> how the heck do you do that?
[02:11] <brian_> exactly
[02:11] <Nullbyte> x)
[02:11] <chijin> it's easy
[02:11] <Nullbyte> Yes it is
[02:11] <evfreshman2025> how!!!!!?!?!?!!?!??!?!
[02:12] <brian_> i have a grip on it however i do not have the communication skils required to explain it to you...ie i dont have it like the back of my hand
[02:12] <evfreshman2025> oOo
[02:12] <brian_> by all means gentlemen
[02:13] <brian_> sorry its being problematic for you evf dont get discouraged and go back to windows.......just take ur time and learn like the rest of us....
[02:13] <evfreshman2025> hey brian, do you know how to install AIM?
[02:13] <chijin> you need terminal for this and instead of sudo gedit, you need to type kdesu kate: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[02:13] <brian_> it will become eaasier
[02:13] <Nullbyte> evf, you have it already I think
[02:14] <Nullbyte> Look for a program called kopete
[02:14] <Nullbyte> it has it all
[02:14] <brian_> indeed
[02:14] <brian_> webcams work in kopete
[02:14] <brian_> amazing
[02:14] <brian_> bout time
[02:15] <Nullbyte> its some time ago, actually
[02:15] <brian_> hmmm
[02:16] <brian_> guess its been awhile since i used it last then
[02:16] <brian_> was just using debian-kde-ymessenger
[02:16] <brian_> dont have an aim account
[02:16] <castoff> hum
[02:16] <castoff> got quiet
[02:17] <laptop> ANy cool repositories you recommend?
[02:17] <brian_> yeah i need sleep sorry I couldnt get it workin for ya later all
[02:17] <laptop> How can I get an Ubuntu upgrade, is it feisty too?
[02:17] <Tm_T> !upgrade
[02:17] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:18] <Tm_T> really cool repository: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted
[02:18] <laptop> why is it so cool?
[02:18] <evfreshman2025> grrrr Kopete is being retarted!!!
[02:18] <Nullbyte> Hm?
[02:18] <evfreshman2025> it dosent show any of my friends
[02:18] <Nullbyte> Whats wrong?
[02:18] <Nullbyte> x)
[02:18] <Nullbyte> Have you logged in yet?
[02:18] <evfreshman2025> yes
[02:19] <evfreshman2025> and i cant figure out how to log out
[02:19] <Nullbyte> on your aim account?
[02:19] <Tm_T> laptop: well, security is always cool
[02:19] <evfreshman2025> yes...how do you log out?
[02:19] <laptop> Okay Question
[02:19] <Alonea> ok, I cant seem to get iE6 sps1 to install on wine...it gets to the "update windows" stage and then stops and says to try closing all applications and try again..
[02:20] <laptop> I noticed that my network admin can control and move around the mouse on our computers, is that because he has Remote Desktop ENABLED (windows) and if I bring my UBUNTU laptop to work can I use that and he wont be able to get into it?@
[02:20] <evfreshman2025> Hello?
[02:20] <Tm_T> laptop: yes
[02:21] <evfreshman2025> how do you log out of Kopete?
[02:21] <Alonea> I dont want it to use, but so I can install other apps that look for it..
[02:21] <laptop> Tm_T yes he would , yes he wouldnt?
[02:21] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: rightclick kopete icon in systray for example
[02:21] <laptop> sorry my question was the problem
[02:21] <evfreshman2025> okay
[02:21] <Tm_T> laptop: either way, depends if you let him to
[02:22] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: anyway, it prolly isn't kopete's fault if you don't see any friends
[02:22] <evfreshman2025> how do i transfer my friends over to Kopete?
[02:23] <Tm_T> well, don't know about AIM but it should do that kind of stuff automatically
[02:23] <Tm_T> doublecheck settings, doublecheck
[02:24] <Alonea> *is frustrated* I can't seem to get anything that I want to work, to work.
[02:24] <evfreshman2025> it says i have one friend!
[02:24] <evfreshman2025> ha!
[02:24] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: congrats!
[02:24] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: some day you have full social network!
[02:24] <evfreshman2025> lol well i kinda have like 150, so one is shiot
[02:24] <frojnd> where is located kaffeine
[02:24] <Tm_T> (or atleast half full or so)
[02:25] <frojnd> so  I can execute it?
[02:25] <Tm_T> frojnd: hmm, just say "kaffeine" you don't need to locate it really
[02:25] <frojnd> Tm_T: ok so other program can use kaffeine: like amule for preview
[02:26] <Tm_T> frojnd: but for locating stuff, "which kaffeine" tells where most preferred executable is (mostly only exec anyway)
[02:26] <Tm_T> Jucato: morning
[02:26] <carutsu> Hello I'm having problems with my sound
[02:27] <evfreshman2025> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP!!!!
[02:27] <Tm_T> evfreshman2025: no problemo and no need to yell ;)
[02:27] <carutsu> !arts
[02:27] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[02:27] <Jucato> moin Tm_T! :)
[02:27] <Tm_T> moinmoin!
[02:27] <Tm_T> !sound | carutsu
[02:27] <ubotu> carutsu: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:27] <carutsu> I'm quite sure it's running
[02:27] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:28] <Jucato> Tm_T: looks like you got my timezone right this time. :)
[02:28] <carutsu> i even killed it and restarted it several times, reinstaled it...
[02:28] <carutsu> i just cant think anything else i should do
[02:28] <Tm_T> carutsu: well, look those links?
[02:28] <Tm_T> carutsu: also, tell what is your problem ;)
[02:29] <carutsu> Well i hadn't any problems at all, the sound just stopped working
[02:29] <carutsu> in windows i do have sound, so it has to be something kubuntu-releated
[02:29] <carutsu> i tried turning off and on the sound, killing and respawning the arts daemon, reinstaling arts
[02:30] <Tm_T> hmm, I don't use arts so I don't know
[02:30] <carutsu> what do you use>
[02:30] <Tm_T> alsa directly
[02:30] <carutsu> eh?, how?
[02:31] <conr4> Instrucciones
[02:31] <conr4> somebody speak spanish here?
[02:31] <conr4> xD
[02:31] <Jucato> !es | conr4
[02:31] <ubotu> conr4: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:31] <conr4> ok thankz xD
[02:31] <Tm_T> carutsu: did you look those links? also, where sound doesn't work?
[02:31] <carutsu> doesnt work at all
[02:32] <carutsu> Tm_T wait a second i'm following a guide
[02:33] <Tm_T> carutsu: try "alsaplayer audiofile.foo" for example ;)
[02:33] <carutsu> Tm_T i dont have alsaplayer
[02:34] <Tm_T> carutsu: install it then? ;)
[02:35] <Tm_T> carutsu: "sudo apt-get install alsaplayer-alsa alsaplayer-text"
[02:35] <carutsu> Tm_T may i ask what for if i have amarok?
[02:35] <NightBird> this tells me to pull the git repo, however I can't pull via git due to my college's firewall
[02:35] <slestak> anyone use dnsmasq for dhcp server?
[02:36] <Tm_T> carutsu: we'll get that for later, I like to know if alsa works at all there
[02:36] <carutsu> ok
[02:37] <Tm_T> that means, we need to locate problem until we can try to fix it ;)
[02:37] <Tm_T> carutsu: also, doublecheck volumesettings
[02:37] <carutsu> i did with kamix, any other place?
[02:38] <Tm_T> alsamix, though it would be the same I guess
[02:40] <carutsu> i've already instaled alsaplayer however i cant run it
[02:40] <Tm_T> because?
[02:41] <|Hector|> hi to everybody....does anyone have Kubuntu istalled?
[02:41] <conr4> yes
[02:41] <Tm_T> |Hector|: I assume most of us
[02:41] <conr4> i have it
[02:41] <carutsu> says command not found, i'm writting alsaplayer
[02:41] <|Hector|> sorry for my english:)
[02:41] <conr4> jajaja doesnt matter i talk bad to xD
[02:42] <laptop> WHat is the equivalent to the EXE in Windows? and what is the equivalent to "Program File" folder ???
[02:42] <carutsu> Tm_T ayer
[02:42] <laptop> please
[02:42] <soulrider> laptop:
[02:42] <soulrider> you will see that binary files
[02:42] <soulrider> like an exe in windows
[02:42] <soulrider> dont really have extensions here
[02:42] <|Hector|> i have some trouble:( a installed beryl, but htne unistall this....and now, a can't normal login to Kubuntu...only console appearing, and startx doesn't help:(
[02:42] <Tm_T> soulrider: don't lean to enter that much ;)
[02:43] <|Hector|> can login only as root
[02:43] <carutsu> Tm_T i had to install alsaplayer-common only
[02:43] <carutsu> xD!
[02:43] <Tm_T> carutsu: interesting
[02:43] <soulrider> laptop: also, how the files are organized is different, but yo will find lots of the programs are under /usr/
[02:43] <cpk1> !w32
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <carutsu> mad_open() failed
[02:43] <carutsu> mad_open() failed
[02:43] <carutsu> mad_open() failed
[02:43] <carutsu> that
[02:43] <soulrider> laptop: im not sure where they really go actually, i just dont need to know wither
[02:44] <Tm_T> carutsu: hrr, no flooding please
[02:44] <carutsu> that's what that told me... anything to do with mp3 files?
[02:44] <|Hector|> can you help me please? what i have to change
[02:44] <carutsu> Tm_T just 3 lines
[02:44] <Tm_T> carutsu: 3 same lines, that's spamming imo ;)
[02:44] <carutsu> >_> oh well, any ides?
[02:44] <carutsu> *ideas
[02:44] <Tm_T> carutsu: anyway, try wav or ogg or something
[02:44] <carutsu> ok
[02:45] <conr4> hey friends
[02:45] <conr4> i have a problem
[02:45] <|Hector|> me too
[02:45] <|Hector|> :))
[02:45] <soulrider> what is it? ask
[02:45] <conr4> mi amarok doesnt read mp3 files
[02:45] <conr4> :(
[02:45] <soulrider> !mp3
[02:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:45] <|Hector|> you need to istall codecs
[02:45] <soulrider> read the guide on how to install mp3 support
[02:46] <conr4> aja like?
[02:46] <conr4> ok
[02:46] <soulrider> i think you just need to do "sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs" in a console
[02:46] <conr4> okz thank
[02:46] <conr4> i will try
[02:46] <|Hector|> correct:)
[02:46] <|Hector|> and what about my problem?
[02:46] <|Hector|> any ideas?
[02:46] <|Hector|> :)
[02:47] <carutsu> Tm_T it says it's playing it, but no sound come
[02:47] <Tm_T> carutsu: then that's interesting, I bet you have mute somewhere or similar
[02:47] <soulrider> |Hector|: i dont really know...
[02:48] <soulrider> |Hector|: i would change my xorg configuration to use the default video driver that comes with ubuntu
[02:48] <carutsu> Tm_T, i tried Kmix and alsamix, any other ides?
[02:48] <soulrider> and see if x starts that way
[02:48] <carutsu> *ideas?
[02:48] <Tm_T> carutsu: doublecheck ;)
[02:48] <soulrider> brb
[02:49] <|Hector|> in console it's write TTY session, when i put my login and password, its ok, but when i write startx, nothing, fatal error
[02:49] <conr4> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:49] <conr4> :(
[02:49] <|Hector|> soulrider i use aigl driver, nothing to install
[02:50] <|Hector|> conr4 do you have adept running?
[02:50] <Hasrat_USA> what's a good site for testing to see if mozilla is able to play embedded videos perfectly?
[02:50] <|Hector|> youtube
[02:51] <Tm_T> root: I don't recommend to irc as root
[02:51] <conr4> yes
[02:51] <conr4> yes i running adept
[02:51] <conr4> :S
[02:51] <root> oh crap that's right I was testing X and forgot doh! brb
[02:51] <root> exit
[02:51] <conr4> okz
[02:51] <|Hector|> conr4 then close it and install in console
[02:51] <conr4> okz thanks
[02:52] <carutsu> Tm_TFIXED!!!!
[02:52] <carutsu> Tm_T FIXED!!!!
[02:52] <Tm_T> good
[02:52] <Tm_T> what was it?
[02:52] <conr4> No se encontr ninguna versin candidata para libxine-extracodecs
[02:52] <conr4> No se instalar, actualizar o eliminar ningn paquete.
[02:52] <carutsu> Tm_T you wouldn't belive what was wrong, the output channel
[02:52] <Hasrat_USA> |Hector|: nope
[02:52] <Hasrat_USA> |Hector|: youtube hosts video files that are embedded inside another flash movie
[02:53] <carutsu> conr, hablo espaol pero no puedo ayudarte, ve hacia #kubuntu-es
[02:53] <laptop> I need to know because I have a file that is media and my Firefox browser is asking me which player I want to use....I need to browse to it
[02:53] <conr4> ok gracias pero ahi no hay nadie :(
[02:53] <Tm_T> carutsu: =)
[02:53] <|Hector|> conr..you need to "apt-get update"
[02:54] <carutsu> Tm_T in alsamixer the second options says which syas "headphone", i ha changed it somehow to line in or something so the audio streaming was going that channel instead
[02:54] <|Hector|> Tm_T can you help me with my login window? please:)
[02:54] <Tm_T> carutsu: woohoo :)
[02:54] <Tm_T> carutsu: you see, start from roots ;)
[02:55] <carutsu> Tm_T: yep, it was driving me crasy
[02:56] <racarr> I hate glade with a passion
[02:58] <racarr> oh I understand now
[02:58] <racarr> not so bad
[02:58] <racarr> ...
[02:58] <Nullbyte> what?
[02:58] <racarr> err
[02:58] <conr4> thanks hector
[02:58] <racarr> that was the entirely wrong channel
[02:59] <Nullbyte> I see
[02:59] <racarr> ...sorry
[02:59] <Nullbyte> You are welcome!
[02:59] <|Hector|> conr4 work?
[03:01] <conr4> yes xD
[03:01] <conr4> but i have to install the other libraries
[03:01] <|Hector|> conr4 you welcome;)
[03:02] <laptop> SO if I download a .bin file I can run from that?
[03:02] <|Hector|> anybody knows about login window?:(
[03:02] <|Hector|> or, where i can find standart xorg.conf?
[03:10] <conr4> hi
[03:10] <conr4> xD
[03:15] <slyfox> how do I force delete a folder (direcory) ?
[03:15] <conr4> move to recycler xD
[03:15] <conr4> sorry i dont know anything
[03:15] <conr4> :S
[03:15] <conr4> i cant help you
[03:16] <Jucato> slyfox: what do you mean?
[03:16] <Jucato> in Konqueror or the command line?
[03:17] <meme-1> Hey folks, I wonder how many newbies have brought this up before.... nevertheless... one of the most infuriating aspects of Linux (Gnome in my case) is that when installing s/w (through Synaptic in my case) one is NEVER given a choice where the s/w will install and under which menu it will install. In addition, s/w seems to "haphazardly" install in many different locations (sometime in my usr folder, sometimes in sbin, sometimes....)  I wish
[03:17] <meme-1> there was a way to force all apps to install in ONE location only; of course each in their own separate folders.
[03:17] <meme-1> I know that if I install from terminal, I will have more options open to me.
[03:18] <conr4> jajaja
[03:18] <Jucato> meme-1: Linux doesn't haphazardly install to some random locations
[03:18] <conr4> everybody knows that windows is "$#&"#
[03:18] <conr4> xD
[03:18] <Jucato> it follows a directory structure, unlike Windows, which just dumps everything in one folder per app
[03:18] <meme-1> Haphazardly - note my quotes/
[03:19] <slyfox> Jucato: both
[03:19] <Jucato> ok... Linux doesn't "haphazardly" install to some random locations. :)
[03:19] <Jucato> slyfox: by "force" you mean "don't move to Trash anymore"? delete completely?
[03:20] <meme-1> I know it isn't haphazard.... but when apps appear to install in many different locations that is how it seems to a newbie.
[03:20] <Jucato> yes. then it's time for that newbie to learn a bit. learning never hurts. :)
[03:20] <slyfox> Jucato: I just want to delete this folder ./beryl and cannot via konqueror.
[03:20] <nonuda_> !xgl
[03:20] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:20] <Jucato> but most newbies won't even bother trying to figure out where they are installed in the first place
[03:21] <meme-1> More to the point, I wish I could control where the app appears in the Gnome menus.
[03:21] <Jucato> slyfox: how come you can't?
[03:21] <meme-1> Nothing wrong with "wishing" for that.
[03:21] <conr4> what is wishing?
[03:21] <conr4> :S
[03:21] <Jucato> meme-1: you could just edit the menu if you want. (but this is KDE btw)
[03:21] <meme-1> Yes, I know I can edit.
[03:21] <slyfox> Jucato: um  actually I can :)
[03:21] <Jucato> meme-1: where launchers/entries are put in the menu are actually following a standard
[03:22] <conr4> what means wishing?
[03:22] <conr4> jejeje
[03:22] <meme-1> Yes, but sometimes apps (or game in this case) appear to install "perfectly" but is nowhere to be found (in menu).
[03:23] <wildcat16> i'm trying out kubuntu ^^
[03:23] <Jucato> meme-1: that's because of 2 possible causes: 1) the app wasn't meant to have a menu entry (it's a command line app) or 2) it doesn't follow the said standard
[03:23] <wildcat16> 57%
[03:24] <meme-1> Yes, I am admittingly a newbie... I was recently hired to learning ubuntu and write a book for newbies on how to use it. I am not afraid of learning. I was just pointing out a huge/obvious difference between Windows and Linux.
[03:24] <wildcat16> meme-1: usually, there's a folder for the app in /lib | /usr/lib | /usr/local/lib | /usr/local/bin | ...
[03:24] <wildcat16> from there you could build a shortcut...
[03:25] <Jucato> meme-1: of course there will be a huge difference. Lesson #1: Linux isn't Windows
[03:25] <nonuda_> !xorg
[03:25] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:25] <meme-1> Duh... can't write tonight. I was hired to learn ubuntu and write a course (I am a technical writer).
[03:25] <Jucato> meme-1: Lesson #2: Linux was never a replacement for Windows (in the sense that it tries to be a "free version" of Windows)
[03:26] <wildcat16> Linux >> programmers / hobyists       Windows>> plug N play
[03:26] <Jucato> wildcat16: false
[03:26] <Netboy541> where the devil is the modprobe.conf equivalent?
[03:26] <meme-1> Jucato.... hold on there.... Many Linux people want Linux to be more like Windows in order to get the masses over to Linux. This is a very clear intent. The masses will never migrate to Linux so long as the command line is necessary.
[03:26] <wildcat16> ^^
[03:26] <slestak> wildcat16: not quit, i spent 3 hours last night trying to get freakin vista to seem my networked laser printer.  not quit plug and play
[03:27] <wildcat16> lol
[03:27] <Netboy541> i've spent two freakin' weeks trying to get a TV card to work
[03:27] <Jucato> meme-1: that's a very broad assumption to make of "many Linux people"
[03:27] <Netboy541> took 3 minutes in windows.
[03:27] <conr4> jajajaja but i live linux
[03:27] <conr4> xD
[03:27] <conr4> love*
[03:27] <meme-1> Linus has stated this.... I could give you references if you like.
[03:27] <Jucato> Netboy541: let me guess. that TV Card was "works with Windows"?
[03:27] <nonuda_> !beryl
[03:27] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:28] <Jucato> meme-1: what "most" (still an assumption) want is Linux to be "as easy" to use as Windows. Not to mimick it in every technical detail
[03:28] <Netboy541> they claim it works with linux, since it has the phillips saa7134 chipset
[03:28] <Jucato> meme-1: that's a big difference
[03:28] <Netboy541> but it don't.
[03:28] <Netboy541> it don't work, that is.
[03:28] <DigitDial> Heh, now if only I could get beryl to work. :p
[03:29] <meme-1> Jucato: It's not about mimicking. No... and if it appeared as though I implied that.. I apologize. No.. it is about making it as easy to use as Mac or Windows.
[03:29] <Netboy541> for linux to ever catch on, it must be easier than what it is.
[03:29] <slestak> i showed some guys beryl .2 on my e1505 tonight and may have some converts
[03:29] <meme-1> Let's face it... if there were never the intent, Synaptic would not exist.
[03:29] <wildcat16> anyone knows if i can pause a download and resume it after reboot (like tomorrow) ?
[03:29] <Netboy541> i'm a avid linux guy, but this TV card has pressed my patience to it's limits.
[03:30] <wildcat16> (from aptitude)
[03:30] <slestak> wildcat16: what are you dl with?
[03:30] <Netboy541> especially after plugging it in to a windows box, and it works....  linux will never catch on if a user has to go through all of that to make it work.
[03:30] <Jucato> meme-1: 1) yes it did appear you were saying that, because of your first argument (about where it installs files) 2) and it's getting there (easier to use). You have to take many factors into consideration about Linux, why it's still "just" getting there
[03:30] <slestak> i think it will resume.
[03:30] <meme-1> The question is... as more newbies come on board (thx in part to distros like ubuntu) will you experts lose patience with all the "dumb" questions?
[03:30] <Jucato> meme-1: and it's false that you absolutely need to use the CLI to be able to use Linux. there are many heavily GUI-oriented distros there
[03:31] <Jucato> meme-1: the only dumb questions are those that arent' asked :)
[03:31] <wildcat16> slestak: by clicking on the file and/or passing it as arg?
[03:31] <meme-1> :-)
[03:32] <slestak> wildcat16: just atart the install again, and I ~think~ it will pick up where it left off
[03:32] <Jucato> meme-1: if you're hired to learn about Ubuntu, you might convince your office to procure you some of the available Ubuntu books to help you :)
[03:32] <Jucato> meme-1: like "Ubuntu for non-geeks"
[03:32] <wildcat16> wait i'll try a dummy one ^^
[03:33] <meme-1> does it count that I could probably still write an operating manual for VAX (11/780)? lol
[03:33] <Jucato> slestak: as long at it hasn't gotten to the point of installing the packages, yes you can (afaik)
[03:33] <slestak> u/k/xubuntu makes it about as painless as it can get for a fully featured distro
[03:34] <Tm_T> slestak: and improving all the time
[03:34] <Jucato> (in some ways...)
[03:34] <meme-1> Jucato: Actually I already own (I believe) every ubuntu book published to date.
[03:34] <Jucato> meme-1: heh :)
[03:34] <Tm_T> Jucato: btw who's those experts someone mentioned?
[03:34] <Jucato> Tm_T: you
[03:34] <Tm_T> awww
[03:34] <Tm_T> we are doomed!
[03:35] <Tm_T> back to compiling kdepim ->
[03:35] <slestak> when im evangelizing, usually i give people pclinuxos livecd for their first installm then show them kububtu when they have expressed an interest to learn more
[03:35] <Tm_T> Jucato: ?
[03:35] <pollyo> Hello
[03:35] <slestak> anyone use dnamsg for dhcp server?
[03:35] <slestak> dnsmasq i mean
[03:36] <Tm_T> Jucato: mind to explain? (or is elaborate correct word here)
[03:36] <Jucato> Tm_T: hehe tried doing a Google search on you :)
[03:36] <Tm_T> by using what as search word?
[03:37] <Jucato> :D
[03:37] <Tm_T> Jucato: because I can find myself in google
[03:37] <Jucato> brb
[03:37] <meme-1> So... getting back... I wanted to relax tonight and also get some insight on the Linux side of gaming... I just installed vegastrike but after 158mb of downloading (through Synaptic) I don't know what the heck happened to it?
[03:38] <Tm_T> meme-1: try again?
[03:38] <laptop> it dissapeared?
[03:38] <meme-1> Honestly - for educational purposes only. lol
[03:38] <meme-1> It should have appeared under games.
[03:38] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:38] <meme-1> Oh... someone mentioned earlier that I was using KDE... nope, I am using Gnome.
[03:39] <Tm_T> sidenote: I like fretsonfire <3
[03:40] <meme-1> Tm_T: Try again.... but according to Synaptic, it's definately installed. This is not the first time I've installed an application that appears to "disappear."
[03:40] <Tm_T> meme-1: hmm, I don't know about gnome how you "refresh" menus and such
[03:43] <Jucato> meme-1: you might also want to ask in #ubuntu
[03:43] <compilerwriter1> What the hell.   What is the difference? I am using kubuntu.
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-1: Kubuntu uses KDE. you seem to be describing GNOME behavior/features
[04:00] <Jucato> (like Synamptic, GNOME menu, etc)
[04:00] <pollyo> meme-1: I believe that kubuntu installs kde by default.  Did you install Gnome as well?
[04:00] <meme-1> pollyo: Had KDE to start out... but after installing some app (unknown now), it installed Gnome. It was a rather surprizing change especially because I did not know it was going to happen.
[04:00] <steve_> Hi all
[04:00] <pollyo> meme-1: Do you have the option to start up in either Gnome or KDE or does it automatically load into Gnome now?
[04:00] <steve_> Would someone help a newbie install a tarball program?
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: what is it?
[04:00] <meme-1> pollyo: No option, it is just Gnome now with a bear print background screen (rather nice actually).
[04:00] <steve_> wildcat16, the program is ksudoku
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: go in the extracted tarball
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-1: in the login screen, there's a menu that will let you choose which session you want to log into
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: type "./configure"
[04:00] <Jucato> !info ksudoku | steve_
[04:00] <ubotu> steve_: ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-4ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 119 kB, installed size 360 kB
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: "make"
[04:00] <pollyo> meme-1: I recall installing a debian system that would allow me to select KDE or Gnome desktop when logging in.
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: make install
[04:00] <Jucato> steve_: save yourself the trouble and install from the repositories
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: synaptic
[04:00] <meme-2> Jucato: Nope. :-)  Just username and pass.
[04:00] <Jucato> wildcat16: you're on #kubuntu :)
[04:00] <meme-2> Lost my internet connection. :-(
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-2: what design is the login screen? is it blue or brown?
[04:00] <wildcat16> lol (not finished downloading yet)
[04:00] <meme-2> Jucato: Might be considered brown or golden (definately a Kubuntu screen)
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-2: um.. Kubuntu uses a blue/purple login screen. so that's definitely an Ubuntu screen
[04:00] <Tm_T> :)
[04:00] <steve_> wildcat, the instructions told me to do this: Extract the file to a local directory, which I did. Open a terminal there and run sudo ./fastinstall.sh. When I did I received an error msg that said cmake not found
[04:00] <Jucato> meme-2: I can't remember how it's done in Ubuntu, but there should be a button or menu somewhere (possibly at the bottom) that lets you choose your session. you can either log into GNOME or KDE
[04:00] <Tm_T> yup
[04:00] <steve_> jucato, I didn't see it in synaptic
[04:00] <Jucato> steve_: question: why are you trying to compile ksudoku?
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: look at what is in fastinstall.sh and look for what's wrong..
[04:00] <Tm_T> meme-1: I think it says "session" or similar
[04:00] <meme-2> Jucato: I will check that out. Perhaps I am incorrect.
[04:00] <steve_> wildcat16, I'm a real newbie. How do I look in fastinstall.sh?
[04:00] <Jucato> !info ksudoku
[04:00] <ubotu> ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-4ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 119 kB, installed size 360 kB
[04:00] <Jucato> steve_: ^^^^
[04:00] <Jucato> it's available from the repositories
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: "less" or "cat"
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: "vim"
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: actually >> vim fastinstall.sh
[04:00] <wildcat16> steve_: you may need to be root to change the file's content
[04:00] <steve_> wildcat, let me see if I can find it in the repositories since jucato thinks it's there
[04:00] <wildcat16> :)
[04:00] <Jucato> I don't "think" it's there. I know it's there. see the info from the bot
[04:00] <steve_> jucato, I must not have the repository because I did a search and still didn't find it
[04:00] <genii> Yes, if there's a deb file for it why compile from source unless you need some feature builtin that requires it??
[04:00] <Jucato> steve_: you need to enable the "universe" repository
[04:00] <steve_> jucato, let me go look at the repositories. I'll be right back
[04:00] <meme-3> Blasted COX Internet! lol
[04:00] <Jucato> now there's 3 of you...
[04:00] <SeveredCross> LOL
[04:00] <steve_> jucato, got it! Thanks
[04:00] <meme-3> Well I can't kick off meme-1 and 2... does someone have the authority?
[04:00] <Jucato> see? easier than having to install build-essential, running scripts, trying to figure out dependencies, etc.
[04:00] <meme-3> or just wait for them to time out.
[04:01] <meme-3> That was fun.
[04:01] <Jucato> :)
[04:01] <meme-3> The powers! All hail to Jucato. lol
[04:01] <steve_> jucato, I know but when you don't see it what else are yougoing to do? Besides I wanted to learn how to do it from a tarball in case I needed to install something that way.
[04:01] <Jucato> hah
[04:01] <Jucato> !compile | steve_
[04:01] <ubotu> steve_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:01] <Jucato> :)
[04:03] <steve_> jucato, I had enabled some of the repositories but then I started getting some errors so I disabled some of them. Plus I didn't know if I should enable ones that wasn't supported
[04:03] <hendaus> hiya
[04:03] <Jucato> everything from archive.ubunt.com (and it's mirrors) and kubuntu.org are "official"
[04:03] <Jucato> er.. archive.ubuntu.com
[04:04] <hendaus> helpers help me please/
[04:04] <meme-3> Can someone please tell me the equivelant to this DOS command: dir /s vega*.*  (search reclusively for anything beginning with vega): I believe it will be something like ls -R vega*.* (but the vega*.* doesn't work)
[04:04] <SeveredCross> ls -r | grep vega*.*
[04:04] <Jucato> ls -r vega*
[04:05] <SeveredCross> Err, that too, heh.
[04:05] <Jucato> :)
[04:05] <Jucato> !ask | hendaus
[04:05] <ubotu> hendaus: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:05] <meme-3> I very much dislike the file search feature in "file browser"
[04:05] <steve_> jucato, thanks for the help
[04:05] <SeveredCross> I actually am on Windows even at the moment, mucked up my Kubuntu install.
[04:05] <meme-3> Is using grep faster?
[04:05] <SeveredCross> Technically, no.
[04:06] <Jucato> nope...
[04:06] <Jucato> it's also redundant in this case...
[04:06] <SeveredCross> Since you have to do more I/O operations per line of text. :)
[04:06] <steve_> jucato, well I'm going to go and play a little sudoku...thank again
[04:06] <meme-3> Thank you :-)
[04:06] <ffffu> what's the app tool to convert from avi to mpeg in kubuntu>
[04:06] <ffffu> what's the app tool to convert from avi to mpeg in kubuntu?
[04:06] <SeveredCross> ffmpeg?
[04:06] <Jucato> steve_: hehe ok :)
[04:06] <Jucato> ffmpeg, mencoder, etc....
[04:07] <meme-3> Is "ls -r | grep vega*.* or "
[04:07] <Jucato> meme-3: btw, the Find (kfind program) is not equivalent to ls/dir command. it's really a search/find utility
[04:07] <Jucato> meme-3: ls -r vega*
[04:07] <meme-3> Is "ls -r | grep vega*.*" or "ls -r vega*" assuming begin search at root?
[04:08] <DigitDial> Hmm ... I really hate to ask; but, I've exhausted myself searching google for the answer ... does anyone happen to know the proper way to get beryl running w/ a Radeon X1900XT & Kubuntu? Any website at this point will be better than none. :)~
[04:08] <hendaus> Jucato,  thanx, i need to configure the port from xgnokii
[04:08] <Jucato> (or: find / -iname 'vega*')
[04:08] <hsystem-x> lol.
[04:08] <Jucato> !beryl | DigitDial
[04:08] <ubotu> DigitDial: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:08] <Jucato> that website and channel ^^^
[04:09] <Jucato> hsystem-x: hm... no knowledge of xgnokii and relatives :(
[04:09] <DigitDial> Jucato: Ahh, thank you much.
[04:09] <hsystem-x> lol :S.
[04:09] <slestak> lol, that what i need to be doing
[04:09] <hendaus> Jucato,  my nokia cell phone is 6230
[04:10] <hsystem-x> www.beryl-project.org - there you will find the necessary instructions...
[04:10] <conr4> jajajajajaja
[04:10] <Jucato> mine is 6600... and I haven't even tried to sync it :(
[04:10] <conr4> estoy oyendo mp3
[04:10] <conr4> jajajajajajaja
[04:10] <SeveredCross> Be warned that installing the fglrx drivers is a pain in the rear.
[04:10] <Jucato> I thought that was already a given, considering it's ATI? :D
[04:10] <hendaus> Jucato,  on windows i use Nokia_PC_Suite_682_rel_22_0_eng_web.msi
[04:10] <SeveredCross> Yeah, well.
[04:10] <SeveredCross> Fair enough.
[04:10] <Jucato> ok really going back to studying... :/
[04:11] <SeveredCross> NVidia drivers have always been easier to install.
[04:11] <Jucato> hendaus: heh haven't really used the PC Suite either lol
[04:11] <genii> Jucato :)
[04:11] <meme-3> Okay, something is wrong.... I immediately get the error, "ls: vega*: No such file or directory"
[04:11] <SeveredCross> Even using bloody Envy, it's hard.
[04:11] <SeveredCross> Hmm...
[04:11] <meme-3> Not even searching....
[04:11] <ffffu> Jucato: is there a user friendly convertor ?
[04:11] <SeveredCross> ls -r vega* doesn't work?
[04:11] <Jucato> meme-3: ok... what exactly are you trying to accomplish btw?
[04:11] <hendaus> Jucato,  gracias amigo pero estoy convencido que hay alguna solucion :)
[04:11] <Jucato> ffffu: not really sure...
[04:11] <SeveredCross> VLC can do it too.
[04:11] <Jucato> hendaus: I don't speak spanish btw. despite my name
[04:11] <hsystem-x> hablan espa~ol... que bn :D
[04:11] <SeveredCross> Though you'll have to read up on its manual.
[04:11] <Jucato> !es
[04:11] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:11] <meme-3> I am trying to find out where vegastrike is located. It is somewhere on this darn hard drive.
[04:12] <conr4> i am so sorry
[04:12] <Jucato> ah ls is not the proper tool I guess
[04:12] <meme-3> ServeredCross: correct... doesn't seem to be searching
[04:12] <conr4> xD
[04:12] <meme-3> DOH!
[04:12] <Jucato> meme-3: wrong tool for the job :)
[04:12] <SeveredCross> LOL, yeah.
[04:12] <SeveredCross> Kfind would be better.
[04:12] <Jucato> meme-3: find . -iname 'vega*'
[04:12] <meme-3> Can I buy a clue?  Ah.. Kfind
[04:12] <meme-3> find?
[04:13] <Jucato> find is the command line backend of kfind
[04:13] <meme-3> cool, that worked!
[04:13] <meme-3> Found it.
[04:13] <hsystem-x> anyone knows a program for LInux, (don't tell me wine), that allow me to access ares chat servers? .  X forwarding, a vnc client, or freenx
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> im looking for something better than VNC
[04:18] <hendaus> who knows here about xgnokii?
[04:18] <KaoticEvil> genii: whats freenx?
[04:18] <SolidSource> KaoticEvil: issue came in that it crashed the server side when logging out, tried SSH and XDMCP with all the same
[04:19] <genii> KaoticEvil: Are some of the clients windoze-based?
[04:19] <kkerwin> Hi. Anyone had any luck with an Orinoco 8480-WD card?
[04:19] <KaoticEvil> genii: the host is windows based, for right now... but im considering going to linux on that box
[04:19] <KaoticEvil> but the only client would be my buntu box
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> i would use VNC on windows
[04:20] <genii> KaoticEvil I would suggest freenx as the best solution then, but the most difficult to setup since there is currently no native package.
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> that figures lol
[04:20] <KaoticEvil> genii: what about rfb?
[04:22] <genii> KaoticEvil: I used it briefly and had weird cutouts etc. Freenx works almost in realtime, so way better than vnc for instance. x forwarding works good generally if you just want to run specific apps for instance and not the entire desktop on a windoze client
[04:22] <hsystem-x> hey, anyone here that knows about an environment development for c++, i mean i use g++ but what about one with GUI?
[04:22] <hsystem-x> (compiler).
[04:22] <Morbo> kdevelop?
[04:22] <Morbo> Well kdevelop =/= compiler
[04:22] <Morbo> I imagine it uses gcc and friends
[04:23] <hsystem-x> ok, thx.
[04:23] <KaoticEvil> genii: im only looking for something good to work on my server...
[04:23] <KaoticEvil> genii: my server box currently (and probably wont) has no input/output devices.. save for a NIC
[04:24] <KaoticEvil> i guess VNC will work for that.. once i get everything going properly, i shouldnt need to access it much
[04:24] <genii> KaoticEvil: So the clients generally use what OS?
[04:25] <hsystem-x> love linux ^^
[04:25] <hendaus> SolidSource,  do u know about gnokii?
[04:25] <SeveredCross> KDevelop, Eclipse.
[04:25] <SeveredCross> By the way, has anyone had luck getting MonoDevelop to run without installing all of Gnome?
[04:25] <SolidSource> hendaus: of yes...never used though
[04:26] <MikeConigliaro-> guys, i have a brand new hp dv6000 laptop with quickplay buttons, and somehow they all work.  the dvd button launches amarok, and i can skip through the tracks.  the volume controls even give me an on-screen display.  does anyone know what software controls this?
[04:26] <SeveredCross> MikeConigliaro-: Probably a kernel module, I don't know which one though.
[04:26] <hendaus> SolidSource,  is there a solution for my nokia6230/
[04:26] <MikeConigliaro-> they only work once in in kde
[04:26] <MikeConigliaro-> once im logged in
[04:27] <SeveredCross> All the media buttons on the front of my Dell Inspiron E1705 work fine, with some minor tweaks to make Amarok use the Play/Pause button as a Play/Pause button rather than Play only.
[04:27] <KaoticEvil> genii: well, one is WinXP Pro, and one is kubuntu, and one is Vista
[04:27] <SeveredCross> MikeConigliaro-: Then KDE's katching those inputs.
[04:27] <KaoticEvil> actually, 2 are XP Pro
[04:27] <SeveredCross> Oh God, I just wrote katching instead of catching..
[04:27] <SeveredCross> Someone please kill me.
[04:28] <genii> KaoticEvil: In this case, X forwarding looks like the best option for you. You can set the windoze boxen to use putty/xming and natively do it on the kubuntu box
[04:28] <MikeConigliaro-> does anyone know where i can configure thses shortcut buttons?  like if i wanted to map a different function to one of these keys?
[04:28] <SolidSource> hendaus: don't know... www.gnokii.org has info for the 6110 and 6510 and a few others...
[04:28] <SeveredCross> Hmm..MikeConigliaro-, check out the KDE system preferences, Keyboard section.
[04:28] <KaoticEvil> genii: i may give it a shot
[04:29] <genii> KaoticEvil: There are many good tutorials for it around as well :)
[04:29] <KaoticEvil> genii: is it relatively easy to set it up?
[04:29] <SolidSource> hendaus: don't ask me about such thing as that, never used it and haven't even used a nokia since the late 90s
[04:29] <MikeConigliaro-> SeveredCross: ive  been looking all over, and i dont see anything.  i hate when things work and i dont know why =/
[04:29] <genii> KaoticEvil: Yes, relatively easy
[04:30] <KaoticEvil> genii: cool.. thanks :)
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Sounds like a KDE function.
[04:30] <genii> KaoticEvil:  np
[04:31] <hendaus> SolidSource,  ok i have 6230 , can u please check if it supports or not?
[04:31] <hendaus> SolidSource,  just coz i have some imagen and i need them on my pc
[04:32] <SolidSource> hendaus: yes 6230 should weork
[04:32] <kkerwin> Hi. Anyone had any luck with an Orinoco 8480-WD card? It's a PCMCIA card.
[04:32] <SolidSource> hendaus: but haven't used nokia since the late 90s
[04:32] <SolidSource> hendaus: oops
[04:32] <SolidSource> hendaus: http://wiki.gnokii.org/index.php/Nokia6230ConfigGnuLinux
[04:33] <hendaus> SolidSource,  it is necessary for me and for my work, can u help me if it supports so tell me how to configure mine
[04:33] <SeveredCross> hendaus: RTFM....
[04:33] <SeveredCross> He just gave you a link.
[04:34] <SolidSource> hendaus: the link I just provided tells all that
[04:34] <ffffu> hi, i need to know what's the full command to convert an avi to mpeg
[04:34] <hendaus> SolidSource,  ok let me check
[04:34] <SolidSource> .............
[04:34] <SeveredCross> ffffu, just read the manuals for mencoder/ffmpeg/VLC
[04:35] <hendaus> SolidSource,  i dont have bluetooth
[04:35] <hendaus> SolidSource,  i have a cable dku-2 usb
[04:36] <conr4> hey someone help me please installing my printer
[04:36] <SolidSource> hendaus: then change it to dku2
[04:36] <SolidSource> conr4: what printer?
[04:36] <conr4> canon ip 1500
[04:36] <conr4> canon pixma 1500
[04:37] <conr4> here are the instructions but i dont understandhttp://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/
[04:37] <hendaus> SolidSource,  i open option on gnokii and doesnot let me to change anything from there
[04:37] <hendaus> SolidSource,  it seems lock
[04:37] <SolidSource> conr4: you added the repo?
[04:38] <ffffu> i could read all the manuals
[04:39] <ffffu> but is there anyone knows the command?
[04:39] <conr4> nop
[04:39] <conr4> i dont now how to do that
[04:40] <SolidSource> conr4: in konsole type "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:40] <conr4> okz
[04:40] <SolidSource> conr4: on a new line type "deb http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ubuntu ./"
[04:41] <hendaus_> back
[04:41] <conr4> and save that?
[04:41] <SolidSource> conr4: yes
[04:41] <SolidSource> conr4: now type "sudo apt-get update"
[04:41] <SolidSource> conr4: after you close kate
[04:41] <hendaus_> SolidSource,  i open options from gnokii and it seems lock , like i cant change anything
[04:42] <genii> ffffu:  sudo mencoder infile.avi -o outfile.mpg -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2
[04:42] <conr4> ok
[04:43] <SolidSource> conr4:  once its done updating...then type "sudo apt-get install libcnbj-2.5 bjfilter-2.5 pstocanonbj"
[04:43] <conr4> okz
[04:44] <conr4> finish
[04:44] <conr4> and now?
[04:44] <SolidSource> conr4: it should have added the printer automaticall
[04:44] <SolidSource> y
[04:45] <conr4> ok thanks
[04:45] <SolidSource> hendaus_: ok...well I don't know, I have never used that program
[04:46] <hendaus_> cool
[04:47] <SolidSource> oh look at that...my canon is supported by default now...
[04:47] <hendaus_> SolidSource,  so what can i do
[04:49] <conr4> hey solid de printer doesnt work
[04:49] <conr4> :(
[04:49] <conr4> dont work :(
[04:49] <conr4> y dont now how to configure that
[04:49] <conr4> :S
[04:49] <conr4> to add the printer
[04:50] <SolidSource> conr4: check what connection type its recording...its default is paralell
[04:50] <conr4> my printer is USB
[04:50] <conr4> where ??
[04:51] <hendaus_> SolidSource,  so what can i do friend
[04:51] <conr4> system preference?
[04:51] <SolidSource> conr4: then go into system settings or kcontrol >> printers (enter admin mode) >> and change the connection
[04:52] <meme4> I think I am back.
[04:52] <SolidSource> conr4: just select the printer, go to the properties tab (below the printer list), select interface , then change
[04:52] <conr4> but the printer dont appear
[04:52] <conr4> :S
[04:53] <SolidSource> conr4: then add the printer
[04:54] <conr4> how :S
[04:54] <conr4> in add
[04:54] <conr4> then :S
[04:54] <meme4> Help... found Vegastrike... but now I am really stuck. Accidently executed this game about a dozen times. I am in the console and I've tried killall and top to selectively stop this program but both methods don't seem effective in getting rid of this game. I am trying to stop this darn thing without resorting to rebooting. Any tips?
[04:54] <conr4> pseudo
[04:54] <hendaus__> SolidSource,  so what can i do friend
[04:54] <intelikey> any way from within a running system to determine the h-sync & v-refresh rates for a plug&get mad monitor ?
[04:55] <SolidSource> conr4: click add >> printer >> and then go through the walk through
[04:58] <conr4> ok
[04:58] <meme4> Is there any other magic I can try in order to shutdown a application? "Killall vegastrike" and using top seem ineffective in stopping this app.
[04:58] <intelikey> sudo Killall -9 vegastrike
[04:58] <meme4> intelikey: thx.... never tried "-9"
[04:59] <intelikey> genii heh.
[04:59] <conr4> the model dont appear
[04:59] <conr4> :S
[04:59] <genii> :)
[04:59] <SolidSource> must stop typing and reading at the same time
[05:00] <intelikey> any way from within a running system to determine the h-sync & v-refresh rates for a "plug & get mad" monitor ?
[05:00] <SolidSource> conr4: may have to add it in the web interface.... "http://localhost:631"
[05:01] <conr4> ok
[05:01] <meme4> killed! Thank you.... but I seem to have a new problem now... seems that my mouse cursor is "frozen" everything else is running though. Is there a way to re-init the mouse?
[05:03] <intelikey> meme4 check in kcontrol > priferials > mouse
[05:03] <[pyro] > ah man the day drags
[05:04] <SolidSource> stupid frostwire not connecting....
[05:04] <[pyro] > get this: new replacement mobo from dell for a workstation $170 - whole workstation (same model) from ebay $170
[05:05] <K`zan> [pyro] : Light a fire under it ;-)
[05:05] <[pyro] > hehe yea
[05:06] <intelikey> ok going to test vga settings... if i time out you'll know i did something wrong....................
[05:06] <[pyro] > clock ffs!
[05:06] <K`zan> LOL
[05:06] <[pyro] > oh man someone fetch me another coffee
[05:08] <intelikey> [pyro]  call genii  :)
[05:08] <genii> What? my ears are burning
[05:08] <genii> (was in offtopic)
[05:08] <[pyro] > lol
[05:08] <SolidSource> ok what port does frostwire use...cause its not using the one I told it to
[05:08] <intelikey> :)
[05:08] <[pyro] > my keyboard is not behaving
[05:09] <[pyro] > dropping the letter "l" left right and center
[05:10] <intelikey> stout enough to float a horse shoe in...
[05:10] <[pyro] > haha yeah
[05:10] <[pyro] > ill eat it with a spoon thanks
[05:12] (genii/#kubuntu) OK, now I can see what i'm typing :)
[05:13] (intelikey/#kubuntu) avg  ?   anti virus software ?
[05:13] <genii> intelikey: Actually it's the antispyware one running it's scheduled scan. Used to be Ewido
[05:14] <intelikey> fess up. you're on windows again aren't you genii
[05:14] <genii> intelikey Yup, a w2k work box. I have in the other room a cluster of ubuntu boxen tho so it makes up :)
[05:15] <intelikey> there is  a name for you...
[05:15] <intelikey> but i wont repete it.
[05:15] <intelikey> :)
[05:16] <genii> Well if it's any consolation this box also multiboots to freebsd 4.8 LOL Anyhow, it was like this when I started working here
[05:16] <Minataku> genii :D:D:D:D:D
[05:16] <intelikey> well at least fbsd is there, so we'll let you by this time.
[05:17] <Minataku> I'm a proud OpenVMS sorta-user now
[05:17] <Minataku> lol
[05:17] <Minataku> I installed OpenVMS/VAX V5.5-2 on a SIMH MicroVAX VM
[05:17] <Minataku> I have no clue how to use it and I doubt I ever will XD
[05:18] <SolidSource> knows whats odd...go from listening to German music to listening to english music...it gives a slightly odd feeling like theres something missing
[05:18] <genii> Minataku: I'm at work btw with that certain cardboard box in front of me
[05:18] <Minataku> genii: :D:D:D:D:D
[05:18] <Minataku> Sweet :D
[05:18] <intelikey> testing vga again.
[05:21] <genii> Minataku: <opens box> SS2, loaded SS10 mb out of case, video card from SS5 (x2),chips from SS5 (x2) mouse, keyboard, SCSI tape reader, SunOS 4 on tapes, some SCSI harnesses
[05:21] <Minataku> Ooooooh <3 <3 <3 No IPX though D:
[05:22] <genii> nope
[05:22] <Minataku> Damn that bastard
[05:22] <Seek026> I upgraded my nvidia driver and now when I start beryl the Window title bars are gone! does anyone know how to fix this?
[05:23] <Minataku> genii: Find anything else laying around that you could toss in there since then?
[05:23] <genii> Minataku Well anyhow, tomorrow I'll have some shipping cost
[05:23] <intelikey> it's no good the box is headless...    rebooting
[05:23] <genii> If any ops, sorry for long offtopic :)
[05:23] <Minataku> genii: Heehee... too bad I have, like, $10 in my account... though I could sell back my programming book
[05:23] <Minataku> It's not like I'm using it anyway
[05:23] <genii> Minataku No rush, I'll take the box home
[05:23] <Minataku> Coo
[05:24] <Minataku> Was there anything else you could toss in there? I remember you mentioning something about SGI
[05:24] <genii> Minataku: There used to be some old other SCSI stuff around but it looks like a tornado hit here still
[05:24] <Minataku> Heh
[05:25] <[pyro] > i use kopete, but never tried the IRC part of it
[05:25] <[pyro] > i dont know, it just doesnt feel right... having IRC connected in an IM
[05:26] <Minataku> It isn't right
[05:26] <genii> LOL
[05:26] <Minataku> lol
[05:26] <conr4> how to configure canon pixma 1500
[05:26] <conr4> :S
[05:26] <genii> I should talk, I'm on a windoze firefox chatzilla extension
[05:26] <Minataku> :O
[05:26] <Minataku> 'O'
[05:26] <[pyro] > genii: why not bitchx ?
[05:27] <intelikey> well seeing that my nick wasn't taken i assume that my part message came through.
[05:27] <[pyro] > just leave it running on a shell somewhere and ssh / screen to it when you want to connect :)
[05:27] <genii> intelikey last msg: it's no good the box is headless... rebooting
[05:28] <Minataku> Then quit with reason "brb"
[05:28] <intelikey> yes.  black screen of  [ sync out of range ]      ....
[05:28] <SolidSource> whats a better IRC client, cause konversation doesn't like to log me in when I connect and it drives me nuts
[05:28] <Minataku> I use XChat
[05:28] <genii> [pyro] : Convenience I suppose. I have gaim here too but it's a work box so must watch what I install. Chatzilla is mostly painless for others
[05:28] <intelikey> so i can't seem to setup svgatextmode for this hardware....
[05:29] <Minataku> intelikey: No vesafb? '_'
[05:29] <SolidSource> lol thats funny Xchat free for everyone BUT windows users
[05:29] <intelikey> Minataku no
[05:29] <[pyro] > genii: yeah cool, i started on ircII then bitchx, brief exposure to mIRC, but a bitchx session running somwhere is always sweet :)
[05:29] <[pyro] > xchat isnt bad
[05:30] <intelikey> tried the full array   from 771 to 798  nothing works.
[05:30] <Minataku> intelikey: Fall back... vga
[05:30] <intelikey> Minataku maybe the default kernel somehow doesn't support it unless you setup usplash ?
[05:31] <intelikey> Minataku ?
[05:31] <Minataku> intelikey: No idea, it should support it all and allow easy selection
[05:31] <Minataku> intelikey: If VESA fails, you fall back to VGA
[05:31] <Minataku> If that fails, get a new video card
[05:32] <intelikey> "<Minataku> intelikey: If VESA fails, you fall back to VGA"  <<< where ?    what are you on about ?
[05:32] <Minataku> ...
[05:32] <Minataku> You're having video trouble, yes?
[05:33] <genii> Minataku: I think he wants consoles in svga and not vga
[05:33] <intelikey> console svgatextmode   yes
[05:33] <Minataku> Well if he can't get them in SVGA through the card-specific driver or vesafb, all that's left is vga
[05:33] <genii> intelikey Some monitors are weird in that they do 1024x768  but not 600x800 for instance
[05:33] <intelikey> "card-specific driver" ?
[05:34] <Minataku> intelikey: Are you drunk or something or just dumber than I thought you were?
[05:34] <intelikey> genii yeah i've noticed.
[05:34] <Minataku> Sorry, that was a bit out of line, I apologize
[05:34] <Minataku> Look, there's three ways to get a framebuffer
[05:34] <intelikey> Minataku i guess dumber than you thought.
[05:34] <intelikey> i'm not really after frame buffering
[05:35] <Minataku> Either you use the kernel driver that's meant for the card you have
[05:35] <Minataku> Framebuffers are how you get a nice, big console
[05:35] <intelikey> that would suffice if i can't get svgatextmode to work..
[05:35] <Minataku> Indeed, definitely try a framebuffer instead, I've never even heard of svgatextmode
[05:36] <Minataku> Besides, the framebuffer is far more useful than plain text mode
[05:36] <intelikey> so it's not i that am ignorant here....
[05:36] <Minataku> intelikey: I think it was a communication failure
[05:36] <Minataku> lol
[05:36] <intelikey> !info svgatextmode
[05:37] <ubotu> svgatextmode: Enable higher resolution text modes. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9-11 (edgy), package size 338 kB, installed size 880 kB
[05:37] <Minataku> !framebuffer
[05:37] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[05:37] <genii> intelikey Do you have svgalib-bin package?
[05:37] <intelikey> and as i said if i can't get the good "svgatextmode" working   i will have to settel for the lesser "frame buffering"
[05:37] <kgx> is it possible to ignore an entire directory from svn operations (instead of just files)?
[05:37] <intelikey> genii yes.
[05:38] <SolidSource> who was asking about ARES?
[05:38] <intelikey> genii not ever used it though...
[05:39] <conr4> hey somebody know how yto install a ip 1500 printer?
[05:39] <SolidSource> conr4: driver didn't work or couldn't get the printer added?
[05:40] <conr4> nop
[05:40] <intelikey> conr4 if it's not natively supported you dl the ppd file and set it up int the normal way but point the wizard at the ppd
[05:40] <genii> hsystem-x was wanting to know about ares. eg: hsystem-x>	anyone knows a program for LInux, (don't tell me wine), that allow me to access ares chat servers? . I don't want to emulate ares on linux :S.
[05:40] <conr4> ppd?
[05:40] <intelikey> yep
[05:40] <genii> ^^ SolidSource
[05:41] <SolidSource> ok
[05:41] <SolidSource> well I found one
[05:41] <conr4> what's mean ppd?
[05:41] <conr4> i am bad in english y try :S
[05:41] <conr4> jeje
[05:42] <genii> conr4 ppd= filter/formatting rules, in a file. eg:  laserjet.ppd
[05:42] <genii> etc
[05:42] <conr4> okz
[05:43] <intelikey> genii thanks for the heads up on that package... it can display some info that i was looking for.
[05:43] <genii> intelikey np
[05:46] <intelikey> well i have  100*30 now...
[05:47] <SolidSource> lol
[05:47] <conr4> solid
[05:47] <intelikey> fonts are still pixelated
[05:47] <conr4> i install the driver
[05:47] <conr4> bust a dont know how to use
[05:47] <conr4> but*
[05:47] <intelikey> got 108*37  noce clean fonts  but kinda small
[05:48] <conr4> i go to system preferences
[05:48] <intelikey> nice
[05:48] <conr4> printer
[05:48] <SolidSource> conr4: did you add the printer and select ithe driver from the list?
[05:48] <Kefkachu> What the heck is the pingout set to on this network?
[05:48] <Kefkachu> lol
[05:48] <SolidSource> 4
[05:48] <NightBird> woo I figured out how to make my video card's speed slow down when unplugged!
[05:49] <NightBird> (I also get a 3x speed improvement when my laptop is plugged in)
[05:49] <conr4> The driver not in the list
[05:50] <dasickis> hey does anyone know how to get ipw3945 to work in feisty?
[05:51] <SolidSource> conr4: click "other" and browse to "/usr/share/cups/model/" the ppd file might be there
[05:51] <dasickis> or what I've screwed up because knetworkmanager isn't searching for wireless networks anymore
[05:51] <conr4> okz
[05:51] <conr4> i am a newbie :S
[05:52] <SolidSource> dasickis: #ubuntu+1
[05:52] <dasickis> thanks
[05:52] <intelikey> hmmm also have a nice clean font at 80*24    i've never seen chars that large in a console that werent pexelated all to death.
[05:52] <SolidSource> what are you trying to do?
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[05:54] <Hasrat_USA> asap
[05:54] <SolidSource> wtf
[05:55] <conr4> hey buddy with what name is the ppd
[05:55] <Kefkachu> Okay, that was 11min between loss of connection and ejection of stale client
[05:55] <Kefkachu> lol
[05:55] <Mobkey> we're passed the days when google needed word of mouth advertising
[05:55] <SolidSource> conr4: should be your printers name
[05:55] <conr4> ok
[05:56] <intelikey> Mobkey what's google ?
[05:56] <Mobkey> a giant corporation thats slowly taking over the word, dont worry about it
[05:56] <Minataku> At least they're on our side
[05:56] <Mobkey> *world
[05:57] <Minataku> If someone's gonna rule the Earth I at least hope they have the interests of the public in mind
[05:57] <intelikey> oh a web site   i see.
[05:57] <Minataku> Rather than the usual "MONEY MONEY MONEY" of everyone else
[05:57] <Mobkey> anybody: have any reason why my wireless card just refuses to connect anymore? it worked for the first week
[05:59] <Mobkey> thats fine. i'll just move my computer to the nearest ethernet cord and eventually fix it, or else just throw the computer out in the snow
[05:59] <intelikey> i also have mode 90*26 but the fonts are awfull
[05:59] <mbelleza> do u know the channel for yui
[06:00] <conr4> i dont find de ppd
[06:00] <conr4> :(
[06:00] <Mobkey> nah screw that. once you get up top i dont see how you're going resist ordering kate beckinsale to be your slave
[06:01] <mucs> hi there, i tried the feisty upgrade, and my computer won't boot - it just stops after checking filesystems.  it also won't boot into recovery mode - it stops right when it's about to setup a console.  what should i do?
[06:01] <genii> Mobkey: :)
[06:01] <Jucato> mucs: try asking in #ubuntu+1
[06:02] <Mobkey> thats what i thought.
[06:03] <SolidSource> conr4: hmm, just read a forum saying it should be there....
[06:03] <Hasrat_USA> anyone uses Tomboy Note Taker in here?
[06:03] <conr4> okz
[06:03] <conr4> what forum?
[06:03] <SolidSource> conr4: try in konsole "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart"
[06:03] <genii> "absolute power corrupts absolutely" tho I'd settle for just some partial corruption
[06:03] <conr4> sorry a i am a dummy
[06:03] <SolidSource> conr4: then try adding the printer
[06:04] <Jucato> genii: luckily I only semi-power :D
[06:04] <intelikey> wow this is weird.    after changing the display size the mouse can only operate in the half of the screen it was in at the time... until i switch consoles and move it into the other half then back to that console, and it works all over the screen.....
[06:04] <genii> conr4 What is the exact make and model of your printer?
[06:04] <conr4> canon pixma 1500
[06:04] <nonuda_> huh..i guess i will never can run beryl on my ati rage..damn
[06:04] <intelikey> i tried just switching consoles without moving the mouse and it didn't fix it.
[06:04] <genii> conr4 OK, I'll try to see if some ppd file exists
[06:05] <SolidSource> conr4: this is the forum I was reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=93265
[06:05] <SolidSource> genii: well he used this repo that was supposed to install the drivers/ppd file, but for some reason didn't: http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/#canon
[06:06] <ToHellWithGA> somebody in +1 said adept offered to upgrade to feisty.  is that supposed to be happening yet?
[06:06] <conr4> ok thanks
[06:06] <genii> SolidSource: Ah, thanks :)
[06:06] <ToHellWithGA> adept is yalls synaptic, right?
[06:06] <ToHellWithGA> its the kde of apt gui stuffs
[06:07] <SolidSource> ToHellWithGA: its not true, but you just change edgy to feisty and update that way...
[06:07] <SolidSource> in the sources.list
[06:07] <ToHellWithGA> SolidSource: the guy said adept offered to upgrade to feisty
[06:07] <genii> conr4 Are you using Edgy or Dapper or Feisty?
[06:07] <ToHellWithGA> i know how to do it, but i find it odd that it would offer before the release date
[06:07] <conr4> dapper
[06:08] <ToHellWithGA> SolidSource: i'll see if he has toyed with his list
[06:08] <ToHellWithGA> cheers
[06:08] <intelikey> oh conr4 are you all up to date in dapper ?
[06:08] <conr4> yes
[06:09] <intelikey> conr4 sorry i didn't notice your issue eariler.    the dapper update breaks the printer setup.  you have to force the reinstall of the origenal version or it wont work.
[06:09] <conr4> :'(
[06:09] <SolidSource> stupid dapper
[06:10] <conr4> :'(
[06:10] <conr4> shit!!!!!!
[06:10] <intelikey> it's gotenprint package but i don't know the exact version.
[06:10] <conr4> :'(
[06:10] <genii> conr4: OK, add to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/ubuntu ./      then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libcnbj-2.5 bjfilter-2.5 pstocanonbj
[06:10] <SolidSource> genii: already walked him through that
[06:10] <intelikey> genii please read my posts to conr4 ^
[06:10] <Hasrat_USA> please help dell determine how to best prioritize their resources for their effort in trying to come up with laptops and desktops with linux preinstalled. Take the survey and help die-hard linux users use dell machines with linux factory-installed: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux?s=corp
[06:10] <SolidSource> genii: intelikey might be right though
[06:10] <genii> Hmm yes
[06:11] <intelikey> SolidSource i'm running dapper and fought with that for a month.
[06:11] <SolidSource> SCREW DELL....
[06:11] <genii> intelikey: Sorry, pasted before checking scroll :)
[06:11] <intelikey> or more...
[06:11] <conr4> i hate linux!!!!
[06:11] <conr4> :'(
[06:11] <genii> SolidSource: I agree about Dell
[06:12] <intelikey> genii reposting....  <intelikey> oh conr4 are you all up to date in dapper ?  <conr4> yes  <intelikey> conr4 sorry i didn't notice your issue eariler.    the dapper update breaks the printer setup.  you have to force the reinstall of the origenal version or it wont work.  <intelikey> it's gotenprint package but i don't know the exact version.
[06:12] <SolidSource> intelikey: theres a reason I hated dapper and upgraded to edgy immediately....too many things would break in dapper
[06:12] <yknott> dell should have become a leader before linux on the desktop became "cool"
[06:12] <genii> conr4 Well, linux does not hate you :) It is just a misunderstood gifted child that loves you
[06:12] <conr4> jejejeje
[06:12] <conr4> :'(
[06:13] <SolidSource> LOL...anyone remember the IBM commercial about linux a few years ago
[06:13] <intelikey> SolidSource that wasn't in the install.  someone made an update/security-update package using the un-patched source and RE-introduced that bug back into the system.
[06:14] <genii> conr4 Well, if you are going all the way, you may want to install Edgy (either clean or by dist-upgrade) then your printer will likely work
[06:14] <SolidSource> intelikey: well screw it, I like my edgy and feisty machines
[06:14] <conr4> ok thanks
[06:15] <conr4> but i am thinking have a partition with windows
[06:15] <conr4> :'(
[06:16] <intelikey> conr4 again sorry i let you work on that so long without noticing you were working in vain.
[06:16] <enzo_> How do I convert the mpg and mpeg file to wmv or avi?
[06:16] <SolidSource> LOL...heres the new slogan for Windows Vista:: "Windows Vista: its like a beautiful girl with every imaginable STD"
[06:16] <intelikey> conr4 and feel free to complain gripe and rant about that problem... i have but no one seems to care.
[06:17] <enzo_> LOL @ SolidSource
[06:17] <conr4> ok no problem
[06:17] <conr4> thanks for helping me
[06:17] <unix_infidel> anyone here edgy to fiesty distupgrade?
[06:17] <intelikey> np
[06:18] <conr4> i dont speak english good because i am from guatemala
[06:18] <unix_infidel> how smooth is the transition.
[06:18] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: a few...
[06:18] <conr4> nad its hard to me
[06:18] <conr4> xD
[06:18] <conr4> and*
[06:18] <unix_infidel> conr4: there's also *ubuntu chans for espanol.
[06:18] <unix_infidel> !es
[06:18] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:18] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: well being that its still in testing ...only minor problems, like limited samba and such
[06:19] <unix_infidel> hmm.
[06:19] <conr4> yes jajajaja
[06:19] <enzo_> conr4: Aveces hay gente en kubuntu-es, pero no hay la misma ayuda
[06:19] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: other than that its rather seamless
[06:19] <conr4> but i want to imprive my english xD
[06:19] <conr4> improve*
[06:19] <conr4> si exacto
[06:19] <conr4> exactly
[06:20] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: beta should come out today correct?
[06:20] <genii> unix_infidel: Yes, I did it on my ibm laptop
[06:20] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: not sure... herd 6 is April 19th and final is supposed to be a week or 2 after that
[06:21] <unix_infidel> genii: which model? and also which ubuntu install, server, alternative or full?
[06:21] <intelikey> eeek i can only dl 160m more of packages and i'll have no place to put them.
[06:21] <[pyro] > looking forward to the new kubuntu coming out
[06:22] <genii> unix_infidel: Model A20 (p3 500, 128Mb ram, 4Gb hd) Xfce, standard Edgy otherwise
[06:22] <SolidSource> ok wth....the kaffeine update today and now kaffeine won't start
[06:22] <SolidSource> [pyro] : ?
[06:22] <enzo_> how do I convert MPG and MPEG to AVI or WMV?
[06:22] <intelikey> SolidSource aren't you the one that just said something about not using dapper for that reason.....
[06:22] <Skuller> !video
[06:23] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[06:23] <intelikey> :)
[06:23] <unix_infidel> genii: i thought you said you installed fiesty on the laptop?
[06:23] <[pyro] > SolidSource: ? :)
[06:23] <SolidSource> intelikey: it probably will be solved with a logout
[06:23] <genii> unix_infidel: Yes. It is Feisty dist running XFCE instead of KDE/Gnome (since only 4Gb HD)
[06:24] <intelikey> SolidSource still updates should never break things.
[06:24] <intelikey> but they do...
[06:24] <intelikey> it happens.
[06:24] <enzo_> !convert
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about convert - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <SolidSource> [pyro] : you said "updates kaffeine to test"...you haven't updated yet?
[06:24] <genii> unix_infidel: It originally ran Dapper. Then I did dist-upgrade to Edgy. All was well. then I did next step to Feisty
[06:24] <Skuller> ok regarding this update thing...why have there been 2 updates of wine in this week?
[06:25] <[pyro] > SolidSource: no, im doing an update now :)
[06:25] <Skuller> SolidSource: i also updates right now...and kaffeine is firing up
[06:25] <Skuller> updated*
[06:25] <unix_infidel> genii: hmm. xubuntu?
[06:25] <intelikey> genii hmmm i did dist-upgrade hoary to dapper....
[06:25] <[pyro] > !running_an_ebay_scam
[06:25] <SolidSource> Skuller [pyro] : well it starts to open...and then dies for me...again might just need to logout
[06:25] <Hasrat_USA> lol wine is still there even after the update? i thought the next update of wine would remove wine itself and replace it with vmware :P
[06:26] <Skuller> lol
[06:26] <yknott> why vmware when we have kvm?
[06:26] <[pyro] > lol cool bot
[06:26] <[pyro] > intelikey: rule 101, try turning it off and on again ;)
[06:26] <genii> unix_infidel: Original install was gnome. Then i did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. Removed gdm for xdm.
[06:26] <Skuller> SolidSource: yes..why dont you give it a shot?
[06:26] <intelikey> [pyro]  ?
[06:27] <SolidSource> Skuller: cause I don't want to logout
[06:27] <intelikey> [pyro]  what you about ?
[06:27] <[pyro] > sorry, that was for SolidSource.
[06:27] <Skuller> SolidSource: hmm...well then you should try something else...no idea then
[06:27] <SolidSource> [pyro] : :P
[06:27] <[pyro] > lol
[06:27] <intelikey> :)
[06:28] <[pyro] > c|_| ahhh
[06:28] <SolidSource> how did the coffee get lost? how did it have the chance?
[06:28] <intelikey> is that a butt floating in that coffee ?
[06:28] <genii> intelikey shhh I needed an ashtray
[06:29] <Skuller> intelikey: nope...thats a yellow butter flake :)
[06:29] <[pyro] > SolidSource: its a koffee, somewhat magical
[06:29] <intelikey> lol
[06:29] <Skuller> lol
[06:29] <SolidSource> HAHA...kaffeine l LIVES AGAIN!
[06:29] <Skuller> lol
[06:29] <[pyro] > lol
[06:29] <genii> unix_infidel I did have some acpi boot issues FYI
[06:30] <SolidSource> now to figure out how to get Frostwire to use kaffeine instead of stupid mplayer
[06:30] <beta> hi
[06:30] <intelikey> genii what version ?   or was it hardware specific and accross the board ?
[06:30] <conr4> hey what printer works with linux
[06:30] <conr4> ???
[06:30] <Skuller> conr4: umm...many
[06:30] <SolidSource> conr4: Brother printers
[06:30] <[pyro] > i think ill have to review my repositories. adept hangs at 99% on fetching updates.
[06:30] <beta> i got some serious problems here might someone be able to help me with the updating system?
[06:31] <intelikey> conr4 lots of them do.   hp mfd's  are well supported.
[06:31] <Skuller> damn adept
[06:31] <SolidSource> [pyro] : run update in konsole and find out what exactly
[06:31] <intelikey> SolidSource brother...  eeeek.
[06:31] <conr4> okz
[06:31] <conr4> jajajaja
[06:31] <genii> intelikey I had to remove my pcmcia nic every boot and reinsert it for it to get an IP. Seemed specific to IBM bios being pre-1999 or something. I forced it and worked after
[06:31] <SolidSource> intelikey: I love brother printer...works perfecto
[06:31] <conr4> but work with all linux?
[06:32] <genii> arg
[06:32] <intelikey> SolidSource odd you would say that.  brother is the only thing that i have actually had to dl drivers for.
[06:32] <genii> ^^infidel
[06:32] <[pyro] > SolidSource: yeah already on it :)
[06:32] <conr4> okz :D
[06:32] <SolidSource> intelikey: don't have to download drivers...the generic ones work just as good
[06:32] <[pyro] > SolidSource: beryl was whinging for awhile, but i didnt have the key installed.
[06:33] <intelikey> SolidSource not a generic one for this device.
[06:33] <SolidSource> [pyro] : beryl changes too much, not worth the hassle
[06:33] <beta> guys? ist really kinda important
[06:33] <beta> its
[06:33] <SolidSource> intelikey: huh?
[06:33] <beta> i think the update messed up my whole system
[06:33] <conr4> ok i have to go friends
[06:33] <conr4> nice to met you
[06:33] <[pyro] > SolidSource: oh the updating has worked great since i installed the key. It just updates then i restart X and away it goes. couldnt ask for more :)
[06:33] <conr4> you are so nice
[06:33] <SolidSource> beta: what?
[06:33] <conr4> jejeje
[06:33] <conr4> bye
[06:34] <genii> unix_infidel: Did you get the msg I mistakenly sent for intelikey regarding the bios etc?
[06:34] <SolidSource> [pyro] : well regular commands shouldn't get changed...but beryl does
[06:34] <intelikey> SolidSource all in one brother   there was no generic driver.  and the dl worked for the printer but i never did get the scanner working from the pc
[06:34] <unix_infidel> nope.
[06:34] <[pyro] > SolidSource: how so?
[06:34] <genii> unix_infidel I had to remove my pcmcia nic every boot and reinsert it for it to get an IP. Seemed specific to IBM bios being pre-1999 or something. I forced it and worked after
[06:35] <SolidSource> intelikey: oh yeah, I have an all-in-one, networked, but the scanning has never worked...though  it works if its USB
[06:35] <beta> SolidSource: well i did an update via update manager...i was wondering in the first place since it offered me new packages (i thought it just offers you security fixes and upgrades to installed packages?)
[06:35] <intelikey> SolidSource this is usb
[06:35] <intelikey> .....
[06:35] <SolidSource> intelikey: HAHA
[06:36] <beta> SolidSource: so completely fresh installs....anyway, i made the updates but update manager still kept telling their were updates
[06:36] <nixternal> ?? Konqueror - the save password dialog that pops up after entering a password at a website, how do I disable it from asking me all of the time?
[06:36] <s0kud0> when will the CD images for the feisty beta be released?
[06:37] <SolidSource> beta: and when you do "fetch updates" it has no updates available?
[06:37] <beta> in fact just one...an upgrade to checkinstall...but with the requested action not to install it
[06:37] <beta> SolidSource: so of course it kept on complaining their were updates
[06:37] <intelikey> nixternal in it's menu configure konqueror > privacy and security
[06:37] <beta> SolidSource: wait...now to the real problem of it
[06:37] <lontra> what's a good image manipulation program for kde?  krita?  or should i just install gimp
[06:37] <SolidSource> beta: well sometime the adept_notifier gets messed up and reports theres updates even though there aren't any
[06:38] <nixternal> intelikey: if it is, I am shooting myself
[06:38] <genii> s0kud0: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-5/
[06:38] <s0kud0> I prefer gimp but I am sure there are lots of opinions
[06:38] <intelikey> nixternal ues a B'B gun and aim at your foot.
[06:38] <unix_infidel> gimpshop is good for afree software.
[06:38] <intelikey> use
[06:38] <beta> SolidSource: thankful your helping out btw...the real problem..shortly after i did the updates i realized all of my used kde applications have changed most of theri settings
[06:38] <genii> s0kud0: I don't think there is yet a release-candidate
[06:38] <s0kud0> I am wanting to try the beta release.. I want to see if it fixes something I had an issue with with the herd5 release
[06:39] <beta> or got erased....also firefox keeps freezing
[06:39] <genii> s0kud0: At any rate, in #ubuntu+1 they may know more
[06:39] <beta> SolidSource: in fact even the icons and layout for some program changes altogether.....ktorrrent cant connect to anything anymore
[06:39] <s0kud0> cool thx
[06:40] <genii> s0kud0: np
[06:40] <nixternal> intelikey: I knew it wasn't that easy
[06:40] <SolidSource> beta: have you restarted for the new kernel to take affect?
[06:40] <nixternal> I don't even see the privacy stuff under configure
[06:40] <intelikey> yeah it's there.  tell it not to remember passwds
[06:40] <beta> SolidSource: now i did uncomment the backport repo and did a restart and there ylou go...there were no more complaints about that checkinstall upgrade that didnt work anyway
[06:40] <intelikey> nixternal what version ?
[06:41] <nixternal> 3.5.6
[06:41] <beta> SolidSource: nope since there was no message to do so...the stuff that got installed were mostly new packages..
[06:41] <intelikey> well    3.5.2   has it.
[06:41] <SolidSource> nixternal: what exactly are you looking for?
[06:42] <nixternal> intelikey: I think you are right, I knew I had it disabled before
[06:42] <SolidSource> beta: hmm, try "sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove"
[06:42] <beta> SolidSource: now this made me think of course....do i actually have to turn of the backport repo before i fecth updates.....since otherwise it might install components of newer version software over my old ones?
[06:42] <intelikey> SolidSource to stop konq from asking about remembering passwds..
[06:42] <nixternal> SolidSource: trying to shut off Konqi from askign me if I want to save a password everytime I visit a site and enter one
[06:43] <SolidSource> nixternal: thats in konqui config
[06:43] <beta> SolidSource: since it seems like thats what it did
[06:43] <intelikey> that's what i said.
[06:43] <beta> SolidSource: like iam saying amarok for example has a complete new layout...not only the settzings were set back
[06:43] <nixternal> SolidSource: I have been through every nook and cranny in Konqi config and cannot find it
[06:43] <beta> SolidSource: and that false update notification that stops when i uncomment backport
[06:44] <nixternal> I have looked 4 times, I know it is possible, just can't remember
[06:44] <intelikey> nixternal if you can't get there that way try something else....   kcontrol
[06:44] <lontra> !w32codecs
[06:44] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:45] <genii> beta You can specify versions in apt-get. eg:  sudo apt-get install yadda=>yadda.#.etc.here    or <yadda.#.etc
[06:45] <intelikey> "if you can't get there from here, go some place else to start..."
[06:45] <lontra> !medibuntu