[12:01] <zmo> trappist - actually I'd like to get some FAQ/Howto/whatever RFTM about it
[12:01] <rukuartic> Captain_Redbeard: Look around on the internet for one, download the package from their site and get the .conf from there?
[12:01] <Dr_willis> Captain_Redbeard,  search the repos.. theres a kxdocker data package as well
[12:01] <zmo> trappist - that didn't work out
[12:01] <cpk2> Dr_willis: who says I've been worrying this whole time haha, I have music playing ya know =P
[12:01] <zmo> I have to load the sblive module first
[12:01] <trappist> zmo: no, it won't when your card isn't in /proc/asound/cards
[12:01] <Captain_Redbeard> Dr_willis: isntalled it already... no difference
[12:01] <zmo> that's the only way
[12:01] <physicsnick> guys? how do i view my syslog?
[12:01] <zmo> when it is in /proc/asound/cards
[12:01] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  listing to the latest Weird AL cd eh.
[12:01] <pike_> AgEnT-0016: once you do it though there is no going back you might if you have freespace just install it to another partition and then copy over your home dir
[12:01] <zmo> physicsnick - less /var/log/syslog
[12:01] <rukuartic> physicsnick: dmesg
[12:01] <physicsnick> zmo, rukuartic, thanks
[12:02] <avagant> guys is /home/skt suppose to have like 1000 files in it?
[12:02] <avagant> Because it's MY name?
[12:02] <rukuartic> physicsnick: Not sure what dmesg actualy does, I'm pretty sure its syslog. any check zmo?
[12:02] <avagant> or my usr name or whatever?
[12:02] <cpk2> Dr_willis: I heard it was good but, no
[12:02] <AgEnT-0016> spike_ is this safe? i mean, is it as stable as drake?
[12:02] <zmo> there are so many modules loaded, that I'm damn lost
[12:02] <Dr_willis> Captain_Redbeard,  i installed them both and it worked for me.. another guy had similer issue and installed both and then it worked... kxdocker sort of SUCKS anyway :P to be honest
[12:02] <trappist> zmo: also gnome is rumored to have a pretty good interface for all of this, but I don't use gnome so I can't help with that
[12:02] <cpk2> I'll put it on my to get list
[12:02] <zmo> trappist - gnome sucks pretty much about it for now
[12:02] <avagant> is it possible get rid of gnome and have the kde only?
[12:02] <zmo> there's even a launchpad about that
[12:02] <likewhoa54> my xorg.conf file needs to be generated on the fly for each individual workstation that boots up off the network
[12:03] <GigaClon> my gcc 3.3 is broken I get this, gcc-3.3: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory
[12:03] <zmo> but gnome 2.16 has the fix :)
[12:03] <Captain_Redbeard> Dr_willis: ok? do you have anything else to roccomend? to use as a bar that is?
[12:03] <likewhoa54> using nfs boot....need to make an xorg.conf on the fly, can anyone suggest a direction to look in?
[12:03] <Dr_willis> avagant,  yes - but its a hassle
[12:03] <zmo> anyway
[12:03] <TheMoebius> i thought compiz/Xgl was supposed to be included in edgy by default. is this not the case?
[12:03] <zmo> think I'm gonna rebuild the alsa-base file
[12:03] <Dr_willis> Captain_Redbeard,  i just use the normal kde panel.. i hate the actual OS-X funky dock.
[12:03] <avagant> Dr_willis: Cause I have both, and I don't know if that's why my gb's went down like...2 gb's.
[12:03] <trappist> TheMoebius: no, it's not ready for that yet
[12:03] <zmo> but noone has hints about the modprobe.d thing ?
[12:03] <zmo> I don't like to use things I don't understand fully
[12:03] <Dr_willis> avagant,  they both take up some space.. but not a huge amount.
[12:04] <zmo> and rebuilding it and not repairing it myself would be a failure to me
[12:04] <knixtech> need help guys, when i do apt-get install electricsheep, i get "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[12:04] <knixtech>   Major opcode:  145
[12:04] <knixtech>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:04] <knixtech>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:04] <knixtech> Failed to open device
[12:04] <knixtech> DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.
[12:04] <knixtech> Selecting previously deselected package electricsheep.
[12:04] <knixtech> (Reading database ... 84177 files and directories currently installed.)
[12:04] <knixtech> Unpacking electricsheep (from .../electricsheep_2.6.4-2ubuntu1_i386.deb) ... "
[12:04] <Captain_Redbeard> Dr_willis: it's a bit boring.. I'm into styling my desktop as of now... :)
[12:04] <pike_> !paste > knixtech
[12:04] <knixtech> sorry
[12:04] <trappist> zmo: what was the modprobe.d question? (disclaimer: I probably can't help)
[12:04] <Dr_willis> Captain_Redbeard,  uselesw eye candy.. good luck.
[12:04] <Captain_Redbeard> Dr_willis: I just got myself a dualcore amd64 and I want to see how much shit I can put on it before it starts complaining about load :)
[12:04] <zmo> trappist - well, do you have any documentation that talk about that, especially in ubuntu ?
[12:05] <zmo> I'd like to understand what's all those aliases and options for
[12:05] <Mille> thanks an yway. cya tomorrow everyone. nn
[12:05] <TheMoebius> if I install the compiz and xgl packages on edgy will it automatically configure it, or will I still have to hack it to get it working like in dapper?
[12:05] <knixtech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25604/
[12:05] <zmo> and there should be somewhere some kind of mini-howto or something
[12:05] <knixtech> please help
[12:05] <zmo> but I didn't find one
[12:05] <zmo> !modprobe.d
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe.d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <GigaClon> !wireless
[12:05] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:06] <trappist> zmo: no, afaik there is none.  the kernel devs seem to go to some trouble to ensure that you a) don't have to, and b) can't, mess with the kernel or its modules
[12:06] <CaptainMorgan> folks - so I did sudo apt-remove kde ; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and have finished the downloading, with an error at the end concerning a connection.. looks like 99% was downloaded.. do I just continue? what do I need to do? restart X ? to see Gnome back?
[12:06] <zmo> trappist - but they should not
[12:06] <theacolyte> Well, you'll all be pleased to know I got the dual head part working, so you can breath now -- quick question though. I want to switch which is the "primary" screen, is there an easy way to do that?
[12:06] <zmo> trappist - they can't rely on other abstractions
[12:06] <avagant> Dr_willis: Well is /home/skt suppose to have like 9000 files in it?
[12:06] <avagant> Dr_willis: Because skt is my user name.
[12:07] <avagant> Dr_willis: But when I click into /home/skt only 3 files show.
[12:07] <zmo> I mean, I used modules.conf for years, and never had any trouble using it
[12:07] <knixtech> electric sheep help  -  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25604/
[12:07] <zmo> now I'm using Ubuntu and I get troubles
[12:07] <Dr_willis> avagant,  ls -al
[12:07] <matt8806suomi> when i click the logout button, it takes me to the login screen without displaying a screen asking option like: switch user, lock screen, logout, restart, suspend, hibernate, shutdown!! can anyone help??
[12:07] <avagant> in /home/skt?
[12:07] <avagant> that would take a long time. haha
[12:07] <kitche> zmo: well modules.conf isn't really used anymore it's for older kernels
[12:07] <zmo> kitche - yup
[12:08] <zmo> !module-init-tools
[12:08] <ubotu> module-init-tools: tools for managing Linux kernel modules. In component main, is important. Version 3.2.2-1ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 76 kB, installed size 316 kB
[12:08] <trappist> zmo: preaching to the choir, there
[12:08] <Dr_willis> matt8806suomi,  did you login to X using gdm/kdm/ or the shell?
[12:08] <theacolyte> How is primary and secondary monitors specified in xorg.conf?
[12:08] <zmo> trappist - uhuh :)
[12:08] <theacolyte> are, rather
[12:08] <rukuartic> Anyway to get usplash to work with initng?
[12:08] <matt8806suomi> it automatically starts the gui when it boots
[12:08] <slara> hello
[12:09] <zmo> and whatever my problem is
[12:09] <avagant> maybe i'm just reading something wrong.
[12:09] <zmo> it's just a matter of understanding what's wrong
[12:09] <avagant> this kde menu is kinda confusing when it comes to searching for my files.
[12:09] <matt8806suomi> Dr_willis: it automatically starts the gui when it boots
[12:09] <sladen> rukuartic: usplash just depends on a framebuffer and lsb
[12:09] <slara> my girlfriend need to make a talk about ubuntu
[12:10] <slara> and she needs slides for the presentation
[12:10] <knixtech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25604/
[12:10] <zmo> well reinstalling alsa-base
[12:11] <Dr_willis> matt8806suomi,  you are refering to GDM? or are you saying it auto-logins to the user?
[12:11] <GreenLantern> rukaurtic: i have the lsusb number
[12:12] <matt8806suomi> Dr_willis:   auto logins in after 3o seconds with a gui
[12:12] <CaptainMorgan> folks - so I did sudo apt-remove kde ; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and have finished the downloading, with an error at the end concerning a connection.. looks like 99% was downloaded.. do I just continue? what do I need to do? restart X ? to see Gnome back?
[12:12] <GreenLantern> i need some help with a wireless card.  It's linksys.
[12:12] <knixtech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25604/
[12:13] <Dr_willis> matt8806suomi,  i am guessing the autologin feature is disablign that stuff then
[12:13] <avagant> Is there a way to list all the programs installed when not on the command line?
[12:13] <kothz> !lam
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <kothz> !lamp
[12:13] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[12:14] <GreenLantern> !linksys
[12:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linksys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <rukuartic> GreenLantern: here
[12:14] <GreenLantern> oh good.  What now?
[12:14] <rukuartic> GreenLantern: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?action=show&redirect=SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[12:14] <rukuartic> GreenLantern: Thats a complete tutorial on how to get it working
[12:14] <knixtech> anyone help with electric sheep issue  -http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25604/
[12:14] <matt8806suomi> Dr_willis: what other causes would there be cause i has been doing it longer than i have had "timed login" setup
[12:14] <physicsnick> question, i just set up ddclient to update my ip address. but i can't get the damn thing to output any sort of log messages whatsoever
[12:14] <GreenLantern> and i will need the lsusb number?
[12:14] <physicsnick> how do i know if it's working?
[12:15] <rukuartic> GreenLantern: Yep, just follow through the thing completely
[12:15] <porkpie> what kernel is dapper running
[12:15] <rukuartic> porkpie: uname -r
[12:15] <noumaan> i think that by changing some keys in us  layout in /etc/x11/xkb/symbols i can assign the shift role to someother key is this possible/
[12:15] <noumaan> my keyboards both shift keys are not working for unknown reasons. may be my keyboard has expired. so i want to know how could i assign the role of shift key to someother key
[12:15] <holycow> !wpa
[12:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:16] <CaptainMorgan> am I set on ignore or something?
[12:16] <rukuartic> porkpie: I'm 2.6.15-27-386
[12:16] <CaptainMorgan> :D
[12:16] <GreenLantern> rukuartic: How can I be sure that it's not working already?  Because honestly, I don't know.
[12:16] <holycow> CaptainMorgan, do ya wanna be?
[12:16] <knixtech> CaptainMorgan, so am i , ;)
[12:16] <CaptainMorgan> I did sudo apt-get remove kde ; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, restarted X server and see no changes in the type of sessions available
[12:16] <knixtech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25604/
[12:16] <rukuartic> GreenLantern: You can try "ifconfig" to see what interfaces you are, and then "iwlist (interface) scan"
[12:16] <holycow> me signs up CaptainMorgan and Captain_Redbeard  for battle of the pirates
[12:17] <CaptainMorgan> holycow !
[12:17] <rukuartic> GreenLantern: But if it doesn't work, then you probably won't find stuff.
[12:17] <rukuartic> GreenLantern: Sorry, if you don't find stuff, it won't work, and you need to follow the tutorial.
[12:17] <holycow> test
[12:17] <Captain_Redbeard> Yarr ;)
[12:17] <holycow> heh :)
[12:17] <CaptainMorgan> how do I get Gnome without reinstalling??
[12:18] <knixtech> please guys, there 900 people in here, and no responses   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25604/
[12:18] <Captain_Redbeard> need to use the bathroom for a bit... but when I'm back you better keep that rapier ready ;)
[12:18] <CaptainMorgan> im sick of KDE
[12:18] <holycow> CaptainMorgan, well just reinstall gnome
[12:18] <holycow> !gnomedesktop
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnomedesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:18] <CaptainMorgan> nice one holycow
[12:18] <CaptainMorgan> wth
[12:18] <holycow> search for gnome desktop something or other, you will recognize it when you see it
[12:18] <holycow> that will pull in all the gnome stuff
[12:19] <holycow> and then log out, select gnome on the bottom left hand side as your default de and log back in
[12:19] <GreenLantern> rukuartic: what should i see with ifconfig andiwlist
[12:19] <knixtech> am i a ghost?
[12:19] <rukuartic> GreenLantern: Ok, type iwconfig. you might see things like "eth0" or "wlan0" or something... try going "iwlist eth0 scan" or "iwlist wlan0 scan"
[12:20] <CaptainMorgan> holycow:  bottom left?
[12:20] <holycow> you haveto logout first
[12:21] <holycow> oh christ
[12:21] <holycow> we need a wpa supplicant interface
[12:21] <CaptainMorgan> already did after the command I listed above
[12:21] <holycow> *hmmmm*
[12:21] <jkku3> holy spirit
[12:21] <holycow> CaptainMorgan, you couldn't of possibly installed gnome already
[12:21] <theacolyte> Wow, I'm at a loss. How can I set which monitor is the "primary" in xorg.conf?
[12:21] <holycow> that will take well over an hour on adsl
[12:21] <CaptainMorgan> holycow: took over an hour to dl
[12:22] <holycow> but you asked 3 minutes ago?
[12:22] <CaptainMorgan> right!
[12:22] <tamacracker> Hey guys?... How do I ping someone?
[12:22] <CaptainMorgan> because I had already applied that ocmmand!
[12:22] <rukuartic> tamacracker: ping <host>
[12:22] <holycow> *cough* wee bit of lag?
[12:22] <tamacracker> through terminal?
[12:22] <CaptainMorgan> which is why I asked if I was being ignored
[12:22] <CaptainMorgan> remmeber?
[12:22] <rukuartic> tamacracker: Yep :) You could also use some gui tool, don't know which one it is though./
[12:22] <holycow> CaptainMorgan, can i ignore you too?
[12:22] <holycow> j/k!
[12:22] <frojnd> topic... who is Lilo ?
[12:22] <Phlosten> tamacracker: or System->Administration->Network Tools
[12:23] <holycow> what command was that i don't feel like scrolling
[12:23] <rukuartic> tamacracker: Phlosten beat me to it
[12:23] <tamacracker> cool let me check it out hold on
[12:23] <frojnd> !Lilo
[12:23] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[12:23] <Phlosten> frojnd: lilo was the founder of freenode
[12:23] <Subhuman> frojnd, no lilo was the "owner" of freenode.... the irc server your using now.
[12:24] <kitche> frojnd: he ran freenode
[12:24] <CaptainMorgan> holycow: sudo apt-get remove kde ; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:24] <theacolyte> One of the nicest people you'd ever meet
[12:24] <zmo> RIP
 hi all, I am trying to install a D-Link WUA-1340 under ubuntu using ndiswrapper.  I extracted the .inf .sys and .bin file from my Windows D-link exe.  This driver doesnt seem to work (It says that the driver is incorrect).  Could someone help?
[12:24] <holycow> lol thats not a good idea
[12:24] <frojnd> what is he dead or smth
[12:24] <CaptainMorgan> err.. maybe I missed the sudo in the second half?
[12:24] <holycow> you should of installed gnome first, made sure it worked then removed kde
[12:24] <theacolyte> Yes
[12:24] <holycow> however
[12:24] <holycow> you didn't actually remove kde
[12:24] <holycow> you removed the metapackage
[12:25] <tamacracker> Ok one more question Phlosten
[12:25] <holycow> kde is still there... you will need to remove one of the main kde libs to pull everything out so you are still good
[12:25] <CaptainMorgan> please oblige to the right commmand?
[12:25] <tamacracker> How do I check if I'm being pinged?
[12:25] <holycow> log out, select session i think, and select gnome desktop it should appear in a list there next to kde
[12:25] <CaptainMorgan> sudo apt-get install gnome? or ubuntu-desktop?
[12:25] <CaptainMorgan> holycow:  in that list gnome is NOT listed
[12:25] <Phlosten> tamacracker: no idea
[12:25] <CaptainMorgan> only default, kde, and X stuff
[12:26] <CaptainMorgan> I know for a fact there's no Gnome option
[12:26] <holycow> weird
[12:26] <CaptainMorgan> did I need to have sudo before the second half command?
[12:26] <CaptainMorgan> cuz I ddn't apply it
[12:26] <tamacracker> there's no way to check if im gettin pinged?
[12:26] <holycow> yes
[12:26] <CaptainMorgan> alright, Ill try that
[12:26] <tamacracker> or atleast block a ping from a known IP address?
[12:27] <CaptainMorgan> sorry, holycow I just checked terminal history, I DID have sudo there, but in typing here in Konversation I forget to type it
[12:27] <avagant> what's the gk thing for kde?
[12:27] <holycow> sounds like gnome is installed.
[12:28] <CaptainMorgan> how do I access it? Im running the command again just to be safe
[12:28] <holycow> Captain_Redbeard, oh wait ...
[12:28] <holycow> are using kdm instead of gdm?
[12:28] <avagant> like i can go alt f2 and get run command what's the gksudo for kde?
[12:28] <holycow> try sudo apt-get install gdm
[12:28] <Crippy-Boy> Lo all
[12:29] <noumaan> my keyboards both shift keys are not working for unknown reasons. may be my keyboard has expired. so i want to know how could i assign the role of shift key to someother key
[12:29] <holycow> that should install the gnome display manager
[12:29] <CaptainMorgan> funny.. after tyring for the second time, it asked me if I want to use kdm, or gdm.. so i chose gdm
[12:29] <avagant> i have to figure out why i suddenly lost 2gb's.
[12:29] <dmglouis> how do I ping in terminal?
[12:29] <frojnd> hej guys, where can I find some channels that are mentioned just for chatting..
[12:29] <avagant> all those random apps i'm installing. haha
[12:29] <CaptainMorgan> the first time it didn't ask
[12:29] <Crippy-Boy> How would i install windows(on a seperate) partition without it fucking up my mbr and/or xubuntu install?  (i need to install windows for college)
[12:30] <kitche> frojnd: #freenode-social #ubuntu-offtopic is two
[12:30] <avagant> i wish there was a way to list what apps i had without going through all the apps in the package manager.
[12:30] <holycow> remove kdm altogether, i don't know why it wouldn't show gnome its usually pretty good
[12:30] <RickH> hi all
[12:31] <Crippy-Boy> lo
[12:31] <dmglouis> can someone help me?
[12:31] <Crippy-Boy> dmglouis, with?
[12:31] <holycow> ping ip.ad.dr.ess
[12:31] <Kirby> I have a problem, im not sure what i did but now the boot loader shows 2 Ubuntu's... both the same
[12:31] <dmglouis> how do i ping in erminal
[12:31] <dmglouis> thanks
[12:31] <Crippy-Boy> ping -c 3 <host>
[12:31] <stu_> Kirby: are you sure they are exactly the same, one digit might be different
[12:31] <CaptainMorgan> holycow: it's running a different install than last time... with the option of gdm being applied.. so in 45 minutes I should see Gnome among th list in session
[12:32] <CaptainMorgan> thanks dude
[12:32] <Kirby> well, was there an update that made a new one?
[12:32] <CaptainMorgan> or dudet
[12:32] <stu_> Kirby: quite possibly
[12:32] <likewhoa54> dudatious!
[12:32] <dmglouis> how do I make it only a particular # of requests
[12:32] <lsc> hey guys where do i find my 3d driver for intel 810 ?
[12:32] <holycow> no worries
[12:32] <Kirby> i never installed anything new. i was messing with mounts right before that happened
[12:32] <RickH> any idea why ubuntu live cd would lock up?....edubuntu runs fine
[12:33] <lsc> hey guys where do i find my 3d driver for intel 810 ?
[12:33] <dmglouis> never mind
[12:33] <RickH> on live cd
[12:33] <linusHimself> hi al
[12:33] <Kirby> ok, IF 1 digit WAS different, how can i move windows XP to the top of the boot loader list
[12:33] <Kirby> and how can i remove the 10 second timer
[12:33] <Crippy-Boy> Kirby, look in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:33] <linusHimself> i massed up my X while trying to install xgl/mopix
[12:34] <Kirby> ok =D
[12:34] <sivik> anyone here use gnomad2>=2.8.5?
[12:34] <Crippy-Boy> Kirby, back it up before changing it though
[12:34] <Kirby> is that where i remove the timer? Crippy-Boy
[12:34] <holycow> linusHimself, thats alpha software, its only meant as an excercise to see if it can be done.  yeah it will hose your system (not really it can be fixed with hard work) but reinstall
[12:35] <Crippy-Boy> Kirby theres a 'timeout' line in menu.lst, Alter that to what you want
[12:35] <holycow> by reinstall i mean to say its far far easier and faster than mucking around reconstructing the x and desktop stuff
[12:35] <avagant> Wow maybe I should delete kde. How hard is it to delete kde-desktop without running the programs you have?
[12:35] <avagant> Or will I have to reinstall amarok agian, the only thing media player i like now.
[12:35] <Kirby> ok thanks, ill be back.. =D
[12:35] <Crippy-Boy> Can anyone answer my question?
[12:36] <Kirby> if nothing is wrong.
[12:36] <linusHimself> good idea..
[12:36] <Kirby> i meant, if i have anymore problems
[12:36] <Crippy-Boy> How would i install windows(on a seperate) partition without it messing up my mbr and/or xubuntu install?  (i need to install windows for college)
[12:36] <Crippy-Boy> I dont wanna mess around reinstalling grub and such :(
[12:36] <linusHimself> it shouldnt be a problem
[12:36] <Phlosten> windows will always stuff your mbr
[12:36] <Rasta> dude
[12:36] <linusHimself> just resize ur current primary partition
[12:36] <RickH> Crippy-Boy, why would you need windoze?
[12:36] <Rasta> linus itself!
[12:36] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, you cannot install windows AFTER installing any other os on the hd first
[12:36] <Phlosten> Crippy-Boy: why not use vmware?
[12:37] <holycow> microsoft seems to think tha tits the only os on th eplanet and it overwrite the bootsector
[12:37] <sivik> after i run ./configure, i need to run make and make install correct
[12:37] <Crippy-Boy> Because i need it for college
[12:37] <tamacracker> Can it be possible to trace and block an IP address that's trying to flood your connection?
[12:37] <odyssevs> tamacracker, absolutely.
[12:37] <holycow> the easiest way is to install windows first on what would be the primary c partition, then install ubuntu after ... gnome will recognize windows and let you select options for install
[12:37] <linusHimself> so the bootloader will b removed, it could b later reinstalled
[12:37] <linusHimself> the hard way
[12:37] <Crippy-Boy> and im on a 1.4ghz powerbook, I dont wanna use a virtual machine.
[12:37] <sivik> tamacracker, are you using a router of some sort?
[12:37] <RickH> Crippy-Boy, what will win do that linux won't?
[12:37] <linusHimself> true
[12:37] <tamacracker> can you teach me how odysseys
[12:38] <odyssevs> tamacracker, I have the majority of the Pacific and Asia blocked.
[12:38] <tamacracker> nope... no router
[12:38] <odyssevs> tamacracker, which distro/etc are you on?
[12:38] <tamacracker> Ubuntu Drake
[12:38] <linusHimself> just wondering, is there a Triliian version 4 linux?
[12:38] <sivik> tamacracker, thats rather outdated
[12:38] <odyssevs> Is iptables on drake?
[12:38] <Crippy-Boy> Listen, I came here to ask for advice not to be questioned, I need windows because theres alot of windows only software i need for college which the chances are wont work with wine and its far easier for me to just dual boot.
[12:39] <odyssevs> tamacracker, before we waste time, apt-get install chkrootkit and then run it.
[12:39] <tamacracker> oh sorry
[12:39] <faceprint> i'm getting an X crash whenever i close the lid on my laptop in edgy...anyone else seeing this?
[12:39] <sivik> Crippy-Boy, what are these windows only programs?
[12:39] <tamacracker> i have Dapper Drake
[12:39] <tamacracker> ok
[12:39] <SinnerG> sivik: don't try .. :P
[12:39] <marshall> intel helping people switch from windows: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-roadmap.html
[12:39] <sivik> SinnerG, don't try what?
[12:39] <holycow> actually he's kinda right
[12:39] <SinnerG> go into a discussion :p
[12:39] <holycow> lets not question the dudes intentions too much :)
[12:39] <sivik> SinnerG, discussion about what?
[12:39] <sivik> Crippy-Boy, what programs?
[12:39] <holycow> let's support him
[12:39] <holycow> :)
[12:40] <Crippy-Boy> Macromedia studio, Groupwise, and a bunch of other stuff.
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> is there a way to locally search non-installed packages for files they contain locally? So I don't have to wait 15 mins for results on packages.ubuntulinux.org?
[12:40] <SinnerG> sivik: we'll see :p
[12:40] <sivik> SinnerG, discussion about what?
[12:40] <tamacracker> hey odyssevs: sude apt-get install chkrootkit
[12:40] <tamacracker> bash: sude: command not found
[12:40] <SinnerG> fyi, I'm a windows user with an ubuntu dedi server ;)
[12:40] <RickH> Crippy-Boy, just curious...here trying to learn as well...i haven't found any issues with win based stuff as yet....they either run or there is a replacement
[12:40] <Phlosten> Crippy-Boy: i personally find vmware-server the best option for those must have windows tasks
[12:40] <odyssevs> tamacracker, sudo
[12:40] <theacolyte> Can anyone look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25605/ and tell me why my External LCD (Screen 0 in server layout) is still not the primary sccreen?
[12:40] <odyssevs> tamacracker, just cut the crap and use sudo -s
[12:40] <SinnerG> I tried ubuntu before, but indead soem stuff I couldnt run and I dont like to dual boot :p
[12:40] <tamacracker> ah crap
[12:40] <tamacracker> i typed it wrong lol
[12:40] <SinnerG> I'm trying vista atm ;p
[12:40] <odyssevs> tamacracker, gets you into root mode. you'll be sudoing all day otherwise.
[12:40] <avagant> whoa my computer just suddenly started to lag.
[12:41] <SinnerG> (I dont own a legal copy of windows, so the vista beta is as legal I can get :p)
[12:41] <linusHimself> how is Vista?
[12:41] <tamacracker> yeah :)
[12:41] <statikeffeck> Question about the "Search for Files" feature: How do I search for ALL files even if I don't have access?
[12:41] <theacolyte> Vista isn't bad at all
[12:41] <tamacracker> Fuck WIndows Vista.
[12:41] <SinnerG> its okay, a bit to much security :p
[12:41] <odyssevs> Does anyone know who owns Microsoft?
[12:41] <theacolyte> I use it on my other machine
[12:41] <tamacracker> The new Linux is alot iller
[12:41] <SinnerG> the shareholders?
[12:41] <Crippy-Boy> I use linux all of the time, i havent touched windows in years, Your trying to preach to the converted, But the point is it'd be far simpler and faster for me to just install windows and i dont wanna virtualise on my crappy laptop.
[12:41] <DBO> tamacracker, please watch your language
[12:41] <theacolyte> And it's no more security than Ubuntu asking for the root password to do anything
[12:41] <odyssevs> Friend (not one for pulling my leg) remarked it was 87% US government owned. I'd sure like to see something to back that up (or otherwise).
[12:41] <SinnerG> true
[12:42] <likewhoa54> lol
[12:42] <tamacracker> oops sorry, New linux: Kororaa
[12:42] <sivik> odyssevs, what do you mean by owns?
[12:42] <holycow> dudes Crippy-Boy is right.  sometimes a means to an end is fine.  give him some breathing room :)
[12:42] <linusHimself> can we still get vista or are they finished with the beta?
[12:42] <likewhoa54> theacolyte: :(
[12:42] <theacolyte> I'm pretty sure you can still get it
[12:42] <Phlosten> Crippy-Boy: install windows, which will overwrite your mbr, boot with ubuntu live cd, and resurrect your mbr
[12:42] <SinnerG> beta is finished
[12:42] <odyssevs> sivik, shareholder wise.
[12:42] <theacolyte> I got it through my Technet subscription though
[12:42] <holycow> after he gets out of college he will be installing linux at every job he gets :)
[12:42] <SinnerG> I got a legal key
[12:42] <linusHimself> where?
[12:42] <SinnerG> you can still 'get' it tho ;)
[12:42] <gnomefreak> can you guys please stay on topic or join #ubuntu-offtopic to continue the MS talk
[12:42] <odyssevs> tamacracker, let me know when you've run chkrootkit.
[12:42] <SinnerG> I'm waiting for RC2 :P
[12:42] <sivik> odyssevs, not sure
[12:42] <tamacracker> Vista = owned by patriot act :x
[12:42] <SinnerG> okay gnome, if someone is there atleast ;p
[12:42] <odyssevs> gnomefreak, how about some gnomechat?
[12:43] <linusHimself> lol
[12:43] <Crippy-Boy> Phlosten, Thanks for the straight answer, thats what i suspected but i thought there may be a way around it. but thanks.
[12:43] <linusHimself> ok ok...
[12:43] <gnomefreak> odyssevs: if it has to do with support feel free to ask
[12:43] <sivik> Crippy-Boy, are some of those must use programs office stuff?
[12:43] <fgh_lo> can someone point me to a howto or guide for squid?
[12:43] <sivik> !squid
[12:43] <tamacracker> odyssevs, how do I run the chkrootkit?
[12:43] <Crippy-Boy> I wish i could always dictate to what software/os i run but im not going to get far in a career and/or education with that attitude.
[12:43] <ubotu> squid: Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache). In component main, is optional. Version 2.5.12-4ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2108 kB
[12:43] <linusHimself> I have to say that until i say gnome i never thought about moving to Linux,
[12:43] <odyssevs> gnomefreak, it looks uncannily like windows =P
[12:43] <theacolyte> gnomefreak: can you look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25605/ and tell me why my External LCD (Screen 0 in server layout) is still not the primary sccreen?
[12:43] <linusHimself> GUI is importent 2 me
[12:43] <odyssevs> tamacracker, type the name and hit enter (after installing it).
[12:43] <sivik> fgh_lo, try either wiki.ubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org
[12:43] <RickH> Crippy-Boy, sorry if i sounded "preachy"...didn't mean to ruffle feathers....just trying to learn if something specific didn't work
[12:43] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, not quite true, but partially
[12:44] <gnomefreak> odyssevs: that is far from support related
[12:44] <Crippy-Boy> sivik: some of them yes, Along with macromedia, Groupwise, .Net 2.0 runtimes with VC# and other stuff
[12:44] <avagant> So my computer started lagging pretty big time, and lost 2 gb almost overnight.
[12:44] <odyssevs> gnomefreak, well, Linux needs a psycho-spiritual support centre. For humans, of course.
[12:44] <sivik> Crippy-Boy, ok, .net 2.0 can be run with mono, some of macromedia stuff can be ran with crossover office
[12:44] <gnomefreak> theacolyte: in the first part there is a # infront of external screen  thats just as far as i got
[12:44] <odyssevs> tamacracker, if you get the all clear, we'll see about iptables to block off some ips.
[12:44] <Crippy-Boy> RickH, Its cool.
[12:44] <avagant> I don't know exactly what happened to make this thing start running so slow.
[12:45] <theacolyte> gnomefreak: I commented out that line so I could back out if I needed to
[12:45] <avagant> but it's lagging when i open more than one app and it didn't last night.
[12:45] <Crippy-Boy> sivik now your talking shite, Half of .net 1.1 is still missing in mono let alone 2
[12:45] <lsc> HOW TO ENABLE THE INTEL 810 3d DRIVER?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> the # is just that a comment it wont read it
[12:45] <theacolyte> Right, but after that I define the screens
[12:45] <tamacracker> odyssevs there were no errors of any sort
[12:45] <sivik> Crippy-Boy, whatever you say, i haven't had much problems with it
[12:45] <BlueEagle> avagant: Which timezone are you in?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> lsc: please dont use the caps
[12:45] <gnomefreak> !intel
[12:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:45] <gnomefreak> grrrrr
[12:45] <avagant> uhh pacific?
[12:46] <lgc> Help! My networking is 'kaputt' after an obliged Windoze session!
[12:46] <odyssevs> tamacracker, so you did not see "possible rootkit" or "infected" ?
[12:46] <sivik> lgc: what is the problem?
[12:46] <chemaja> What's with DLink ADSL routers and Ubuntu? Works in XP, but in Ubuntu it doesn't route TCP to inet (ICMP/UDP is fine)... and also, some hostnames resolve to <IP_ADDRESS>.... what gives?
[12:46] <BlueEagle> avagant: oh.. and what time is it there? Did you turn on your computer just recently perhaps?
[12:46] <avagant> but loading up files and what not takes a real long time.
[12:46] <sureshot> does anyone know how compatible wine is to cedega from transgamming.com
[12:46] <chemaja> I'm with iPrimus (Australia)
[12:46] <avagant> no it's been on all night.
[12:46] <lgc> I can't connect to the outside, sivik
[12:46] <tamacracker> let me check, under what category odyssevs
[12:46] <BlueEagle> avagant: Well then that is odd. Anyways try: ps axu|grep updatedb
[12:46] <Kirby904> I am trying to edit menu.1st, and i cant save it
[12:46] <holycow> chemaja, no problems with them here ... did you check google?
[12:46] <sivik> lgc: that maybe an issue with the isp
[12:47] <avagant> What's that suppose to do?
[12:47] <odyssevs> tamacracker, apt-get install chkrootkit, then run chkrootkit.
[12:47] <sivik> Kirby904, make sure you sudo gedit/vi menu.list
[12:47] <lgc> sivik: I'f afraid not. I'm using Windoze now.
[12:47] <Kirby904> oh ok thanks
[12:47] <Crippy-Boy> sivik, Don't get me wrong, im not saying its bad or naff software or anything, nor am i saying that about crossover or anything else you mentioned, I just dont see the point in me spending hours trying to get everything running when the tutors would complain anyway, It seems a big waste of time and effort to me since the only thing ill be using it for is collage
[12:47] <Kirby904> its menu.1st or menu.list?
[12:47] <chemaja> holycow: didn't get a chance (no inet) :D -- i'm at work today so i can (not that i will, he went back to win2k -- i just had to rant)
[12:47] <sivik> Crippy-Boy, then don't use linux
[12:47] <tamacracker> odyssevs lol i already did that
[12:48] <avagant> BlueEagle: What's that suppose to do anyways?
[12:48] <holycow> chemaja, ah all cool.  i have a bunch they seem to work
[12:48] <BlueEagle> crippy-boy: No, god forbid that you might actually learn alternative ways of doing things
[12:48] <tamacracker> odyssevs then it did a bunch of checks and it seems like everythings ok
[12:48] <holycow> no idea, probably the isp comment might be the right clue
[12:48] <Crippy-Boy> sivik, I use it only for home use, But i NEED to use windows for college, hence the dual boot
[12:48] <Kirby904> New problem, when i open with sudo gedit, nothing shows in the text editor
[12:48] <chemaja> holycow: okidoke. i guess i just got unlucky. i think it was a 501 model or something
[12:48] <holycow> sorry it didn't work out, i hate it when they gotta go back to ms
[12:48] <BlueEagle> avagant: ps aux lists all running processes, grep scans that list for a pattern, in this case the process updatedb
[12:48] <odyssevs> tamacracker, smashing stuff. Now, you directly connected?
[12:48] <sivik> lgc: that really shouldn't be an issue with the os, the ip, subnet, and default gateway should all be assigned from the isp
[12:48] <gnomefreak> lgc: download xserver-xorg-video-i810 from ubuntu.packages.com and save it to usb stick than install it on ubuntu (you might want to get xorg and xserver-xorg-driver-all while you at it)
[12:49] <tamacracker> odyssevs im on cable internet
[12:49] <gnomefreak> oops
[12:49] <avagant> it didn't do anything
[12:49] <Crippy-Boy> BlueEagle, I already know those alternatives and they're not acceptible for my use.
[12:49] <BlueEagle> avagant: if it is running that is because slocate and friends are updating their index. This is a processor- and disk intensive operation.
[12:49] <gnomefreak> packages.ubuntu.com lgc
[12:49] <BlueEagle> crippy-boy: ...and why are you still here again?
[12:49] <odyssevs> tamacracker, sure, so no router/gateway/server between you and your connection, right? Does `iptables -L` show anything?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> xserver-xorg-driver*-i810
[12:49] <lgc> gnomefreak: what is that for?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> lgc: your intel card. werent you the person that needed the intel drivers
[12:50] <lsc> gome freek
[12:50] <Kirby904> when im moving "Windows XP" to the top of the boot list, do i just move this line to the top of my Ubuntu entries?
[12:50] <Kirby904> # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
[12:50] <Kirby904> # ones.
[12:50] <Kirby904> title		Other operating systems:
[12:50] <Kirby904> root
[12:50] <Kirby904> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[12:50] <Kirby904> # on /dev/hda1
[12:50] <lsc> i just installed kubnu
[12:50] <tamacracker> odyssevs I get a policies accepted
[12:50] <Kirby904> title		Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
[12:50] <Kirby904> root		(hd0,0)
[12:50] <BlueEagle> ubotu: tell kirby904 abotu paste
[12:50] <Kirby904> savedefault
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tell kirby904 abotu paste - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <Kirby904> makeactive
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Kirby904: you can stop pasteing now
[12:50] <Kirby904> chainloader	+1
[12:50] <SinnerG> pff :p
[12:50] <Crippy-Boy> BlueEagle, So what, because i need to use linux for collage i shouldnt be here? Well pat yourself on the back, You've just destroyed my idea of that the ubuntu community wasnt made up of eletists, If i wanted this kind of response i would use gentoo
[12:51] <Kirby904> Sorry.
[12:51] <lsc> i only have the vga server driver
[12:51] <lgc> gnomefreak: not that I know of...my networking just doesn't function anymore (and I didn't mess with it!)
[12:51] <Crippy-Boy> Need to use windows for college*
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Kirby904: use pastebin please
[12:51] <BlueEagle> crippy-boy: No, don't get me wrong.
[12:51] <odyssevs> tamacracker, magical stuff.
[12:51] <Kirby904> Yes, ok
[12:51] <odyssevs> tamacracker, standby, we'll whip you a basic firewall up.
[12:51] <BlueEagle> crippy-boy: I just do not understand why you are here if you are not at all enclined to make linux fit your needs.
[12:51] <tamacracker> odyssevs sweet
[12:51] <gnomefreak> ah lsc install xserver-xorg-driver-all
[12:52] <gnomefreak> lgc: sorry it was lsc that needed it
[12:52] <holycow> guys, can you please lay off Crippy-Boy
[12:52] <holycow> jesus f christ
[12:52] <BlueEagle> crippy-boy: And frankly, with your approach to support channel I guess you'll meet that attitude anywhere you go.
[12:52] <holycow> we need visible ops here banning people
[12:52] <holycow> BlueEagle, shut the f up
[12:52] <lsc> do i doa sudo apt-get install
[12:52] <gnomefreak> holycow: with language like that i will
[12:52] <Crippy-Boy> BlueEagle, Its not about *MY* needs, if it was and i could dictate to what i use then i would. But unfortunatly i have to answer to tutors, who in the end decide upon my grade
[12:52] <lsc> do i doa sudo apt-get install  xserver-xorg-driver-all
[12:52] <holycow> gnomefreak, ah yes ban for a letter sweet
[12:52] <gnomefreak> lsc: yes
[12:52] <Kirby904> When opening menu.1st with sudo gedit, nothing shows in the text editor.
[12:52] <lgc> gnomefreak: but maybe you can help me anyway!
[12:53] <gnomefreak> Kirby904: menu.lst not a 1
[12:53] <BlueEagle> crippy-boy: Please join me in #ubuntu-offtopic so we can continue this discussion.
[12:53] <Crippy-Boy> BlueEagle, With this attitude? I asked a simple question about an mbr and 5 people jumped on me with the 'wtf do you wanna run windoze for, do this, do that' no matter how much i explained that i had no choice.
[12:53] <Kirby904> oh =/
[12:53] <gnomefreak> lgc: wireless?
[12:53] <holycow> at least i got your attention, guys lets be a wee bit more supportive.  there are thousands of reasons to use linux in thousands of configurations, its all good
[12:53] <gnomefreak> Crippy-Boy: what is your question
[12:53] <avagant> my computer is running really slow, and i have no idea why.
[12:53] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, pls drop it, i don't think they meant to really attack you, its all good
[12:53] <lgc> gnomefreak: that's another problem, but let's concentrate on eth0
[12:53] <BlueEagle> crippy-boy: I am sorry, but I did not catch your first question. All I caught was your big rant.
[12:53] <Kirby904> when moving windows xp to the top of the list, i can just cut and paste on top of ubuntu right?
[12:53] <sivik> Crippy-Boy, i didn't say that, i just said you can run a bunch of that stuff with either wine or crossover
[12:54] <Crippy-Boy> gnomefreak, no worries, its sorted
[12:54] <lsc> after that then what ?
[12:54] <holycow> :)
[12:54] <cafuego> Kirby904: yep
[12:54] <Crippy-Boy> holycow, Will do.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> Crippy-Boy: ok
[12:54] <fourat> how to monitor an application to see wich file it's reading/writing, something like file monitoring
[12:54] <cafuego> Kirby904: To *before* the automagic kernels list stuff,
[12:54] <Crippy-Boy> BlueEagle, Its ok, My rant was in response to people not listening to my reasons.
[12:54] <Crippy-Boy> sivik, no worries, crossed wires then, but it didnt help that you wasnt the only on :-)
[12:54] <Crippy-Boy> Discussion over :-)
[12:55] <sivik> o
[12:55] <sivik> ok
[12:55] <lsc> gnomefreek then what after i install then files
[12:55] <Kirby904> behind the ### Begin Automagic Kernels List line?
[12:55] <gnomefreak> lsc: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and goo through it till you get to the drivers part and choose intel
[12:55] <lgc> gnomefreak: any ideas?
[12:55] <odyssevs> tamacracker, now, you're receiving this as a prototype. It will need modifying, but the general theme of iptables is fairly easy to follow. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25608/
[12:55] <cafuego> Kirby904: Just above it
[12:56] <zmo> well sound is working again
[12:56] <gnomefreak> lgc: can you ping anything?
[12:56] <zmo> did it the lame way :/
[12:56] <cafuego> Kirby904: Otheriwse it'll get deleted when the kernel is updated.
[12:56] <lsc> ok
[12:56] <zmo> gn all
[12:56] <lgc> gnomefreak: no. 100% loss.
[12:56] <gnomefreak> lgc: what card is it?
[12:56] <sureshot> does anyone know how compatible wine is to cedega from transgamming.com
[12:56] <Kirby904> Oh ok thanks.
[12:56] <lgc> gnomefreak: how do I find out?
[12:56] <ricky> hey some body know you install java to links
[12:56] <ricky> ?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> lgc: lspci  should list the nic card
[12:56] <tamacracker> odyssevs do you need me to copy and paste that onto the terminal?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> ricky: to links?
[12:57] <ricky> ya
[12:57] <gnomefreak> ricky: you mean links the browser
[12:57] <RickH> Crippy-Boy, what linux distro you run?
[12:57] <ricky> yeah
[12:57] <cafuego> ricky: It wouldn't surprise me at all if that wasn't possible.
[12:57] <ellioTb> whats up guys, whats a good app for managing wireless LAN besides the one in the ubuntu Add/Remove
[12:57] <ellioTb> cause that one hates me
[12:57] <gnomefreak> ricky: im thinking you cant since its not a gui browser
[12:57] <odyssevs> tamacracker, the idea is that $IPTABLES -A INPUT -s 123.456.789.0/24 -j REJECT, will reject the ip range 123.456.789.* (ie, all 256 class C ips).
[12:57] <Chm0d> can anyone in here tell me why i get command not found when i use deb?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> Chm0d: what is the command
[12:58] <lgc> gnomefreak: since I'm in Windoze now, I would like to know what else to try when I reboot to Breezy...
[12:58] <tamacracker> whoa...
[12:58] <ricky> so can i installer in lynx
[12:58] <redguy> Chm0d: perhaps because there is no such command as "deb"
[12:58] <odyssevs> tamacracker, good god no. It probably will work if you put it into an rc.firewall file, chmod o+x it and execute. But I wouldn't, since you don't need a nat. Read the iptables manual.. it's full of handy tricks.
[12:58] <gnomefreak> ricky: java is not compatible with text browsers
[12:58] <Chm0d> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu did my updates installed kde and tried installing xgl/compiz
[12:58] <ricky> ok
[12:58] <Chm0d> hmm
[12:58] <cafuego> ricky: No, only browser that use the X toolkit *and* are netscape plugin compatble
[12:58] <ellioTb> chm0d, i think if it gives you deb on a how-to
[12:59] <ellioTb> chm0d, that you are supposed to add it to your sources.list
[12:59] <ellioTb> not use it in the terminal
[12:59] <gnomefreak> lgc: find drivers for the nick card when you find out what card it is go to the following link
[12:59] <tamacracker> odyssevs just a quick question is there a "program" GUI interface that can do all this without scripting? :D
[12:59] <lgc> gnomefreak: I suppose I can figure that out on Windoze too, am I right?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> !hardware
[12:59] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[12:59] <ricky> ok
[12:59] <odyssevs> tamacracker, you want basically to have a list of nefarious IPs generated based on certain traffic from them (easy in the case of flooding).
[12:59] <avagant> !Help
[12:59] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[12:59] <ricky> where can i get that?
[12:59] <odyssevs> tamacracker, absolutely.
[12:59] <gnomefreak> lgc: yes should be in device or whatever its called
[12:59] <avagant> WOuld it be ok to delete python 2.3 without harming python 2.4?
[12:59] <lgc> gnomefreak: was that for me?
[12:59] <cafuego> ricky: firefox should work ok.
[12:59] <ellioTb> Chm0d, do this in console "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:59] <ellioTb> and add that deb line there
[12:59] <ricky> yeah
[12:59] <gnomefreak> lgc: the hardware was
[12:59] <odyssevs> tamacracker, but I mean you'll miss the fun stuff, like -j MIRROR (swaps the source/dest ips of packets).
[01:00] <Chm0d> thank you
[01:00] <lgc> gnomefreak: the hardware is OK, this is the proof.
[01:00] <dmglouis_> my internet doesn't work, can someone help?
[01:00] <odyssevs> tamacracker, apt-cache search iptables
[01:00] <tamacracker> odyssevs ah I would like to get a userfriendly program....  I dont understand "swaps the source/destination IPs of packets"
[01:00] <ellioTb> Chm0d, no prob
[01:00] <Phlosten> dmglouis_: the internet is evil, run now
[01:00] <gnomefreak> lgc: but the hardware link above will show you what nic cards are supported and how they work (if you need drivers and so on)
[01:00] <cafuego> dmglouis_: it's not yours, it belongs to all of us. And it's working fine ;-)
[01:01] <avagant> i just did apt-get clean is that gonna kill me?
[01:01] <ellioTb> anyone got a good WLAN manager though, besides having to go to networking and do it all manually through that
[01:01] <odyssevs> tamacracker: uruk - Very small firewall script, for configuring iptables
[01:01] <gnomefreak> avagant: no
[01:01] <dmglouis_> can someone help connect to the internet
[01:01] <redguy> !firewall
[01:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line) or firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing)
[01:01] <tamacracker> i see
[01:01] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: can you ping any internet host?
[01:01] <dmglouis_> nope
[01:01] <Phlosten> cafuego: there might be some g'ment officials who would say otherwise ;)
[01:01] <redguy> huh? what happened to shorewall?
[01:01] <odyssevs> tamacracker: knetfilter - GUI for configuring the 2.4 kernel IP Tables [KDE I think.]
[01:01] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: not even an IP address (!= name)?
[01:01] <dmglouis_> nope
[01:01] <cafuego> Phlosten: Al Gore can bite me
[01:01] <CaptainMorgan> thank you holycow !! oh my how I miss Gnome
[01:02] <odyssevs> tamacracker, here we go, try this one, gnome-lokkit - basic interactive firewall configuration tool (GNOME interface)
[01:02] <tamacracker> is there a Gnome version?
[01:02] <we2by> !xfce
[01:02] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org  To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[01:02] <tamacracker> sweet
[01:02] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: what kind of physical connection do you have (DSL, analogue, ISDN, cable, ...)
[01:02] <ricky> how can i install shockwave in firefox
[01:02] <dmglouis_> CosmoDad: cable
[01:02] <holycow> CaptainMorgan, you are most welcome.  i have nothing against kde, i just like my gnome too
[01:02] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: but i connect thru router
[01:02] <cafuego> !RestrictedFormats > ricky
[01:02] <CaptainMorgan> same here mang
[01:02] <lgc> gnomefreak: I am not trying your patience here, but I didn't install anything and everything was working fine before I needed to reboot in Windoze (and I think Windoze is not the bad guy either). Do you see any point in reviewing hardware or driver issues?
[01:02] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: is your router connected?
[01:02] <sivik> ricky: you have to have the multiverse repo on and then sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[01:02] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: yea its fine, im on it right now
[01:03] <cafuego> ricky: that page contains links to info on java/flash and video in firefox.
[01:03] <ibob63> my internet has become really slow on my ubuntu installation. how should I diagnose the problem?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> lgc: see you didnt tell me any of this so i dont know it :)
[01:03] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: did you specify your LAN router as the default router on your Ubuntu box?
[01:03] <lgc> gnomefreak: now you know.
[01:03] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: huh?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> lgc: did you do updates before you rebooted to windows
[01:03] <avagant> gnomefreak: so it won't hurt me in any way?
[01:03] <lgc> gnomefreak: no.
[01:03] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you have to tell Ubuntu to use your router by default when there's data destined for the Internet
[01:03] <gnomefreak> avagant: no
[01:03] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: the ehternet connection is the default yes
[01:03] <ricky> i have java and flash player installer but i need to instar shockwave
[01:03] <fourat> how to monitor an application to see wich file it's reading/writing, something like file monitoring
[01:03] <gnomefreak> lgc: and you net works in windows not in ubuntu?
[01:04] <cafuego> ricky: There is no shockwave for Linux.
[01:04] <sivik> ricky, shockwave is flash
[01:04] <lgc> gnomefreak: yes.
[01:04] <gnomefreak> ricky: you cant
[01:04] <cafuego> sivik: It's not.
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> fourat, /lock?
[01:04] <ricky> ok
[01:04] <gnomefreak> ricky: flash/shockwave
[01:04] <sivik> cafuego, well, it does the same thing more of less, didn't mean for it come out like that
[01:04] <ricky> ok
[01:04] <gnomefreak> cafuego: installing flash gives you shockwave
[01:04] <ricky> thanx
[01:04] <fourat> Admiral_Chicago, /lock ?
[01:04] <ellioTb> can i switch to xubuntu really easy?
[01:04] <cafuego> gnomefreak: No, it really doesn't.
[01:04] <sivik> ellioTb, yes
[01:04] <gnomefreak> i have shockwave support in FF
[01:04] <ellioTb> and what if i want to switch back to gnome
[01:04] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: can you ping your router?
[01:04] <ellioTb> cause this comp is an older laptop, and seems to be running slow
[01:04] <rapha> Hi all!
[01:05] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: nope
[01:05] <sivik> ellioTb, you just tell your xdm/kdm/gdm to use that as the current session
[01:05] <avagant> gnomefreak: So my computer is lagging alot, is there something wrong here? haha
[01:05] <tamacracker> odyssev sweet!
[01:05] <ellioTb> its a 2.2ghz w/only 256mb of ram
[01:05] <gnomefreak> application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes
[01:05] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok, you sure that your router does accept pings?
[01:05] <tamacracker> this is what i was speakin of!
[01:05] <cafuego> gnomefreak: Shockwave Flash != Shockwave
[01:05] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: yea
[01:05] <ellioTb> sivik, is that easy to switch?
[01:05] <gnomefreak> oh
[01:05] <cafuego> gnomefreak: No, they are different things.
[01:05] <dmglouis_> coosmodad: i just reinstalled ubuntu and last time it worked fine
[01:05] <sivik> ellioTb, yes, very much so, you know when you login
[01:05] <sivik> ellioTb, you can tell it what session type to use
[01:05] <cafuego> gnomefreak: flash sucks, whereas shockwave is mainly cool ;-)
[01:06] <gnomefreak> ah ok thought it was same just for non macs
[01:06] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: have you set up a static IP address for your Ubuntu box or do you use dhcp?
[01:06] <ellioTb> sivik, thanks, i am going to have to check it out, see if it runs this faster
[01:06] <maxamillion> is it possible to make X forward over ssh in ubuntu?
[01:06] <Chm0d> what is gset-compiz guys?  i can't find that package
[01:06] <cafuego> maxamillion: of course
[01:06] <gnomefreak> maxamillion: yes use the -x option i think
[01:06] <CosmoDad> maxamillion: sure
[01:06] <ellioTb> sivik, so you can do the same thing with KDE huh
[01:06] <maxamillion> cafuego: i can't seem to get it to work
[01:06] <cpk2> does smp preempt mean smp is off?
[01:06] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: if I say dhcp, it doesn't select it as default, whereas the static ip is not working
[01:06] <maxamillion> gnomefreak: that works on my debian box, but not my ubuntu machine
[01:06] <gnomefreak> or thats to not use X its been so long since i used ssh
[01:06] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: what do you mean by it doesn't select it by default?
[01:06] <sivik> ellioTb, yes
[01:07] <cafuego> maxamillion: Did you check the X11Forward option in sshd_config?
[01:07] <maxamillion> cafuego: sure did
[01:07] <gnomefreak> maxamillion: when your there just run gnome or kde or whatever from termminal it should load it
[01:07] <birdfish> When installing ubuntu, does it ask for network configuration information before or after installing the system (note this is while installing without the gui)
[01:07] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: when I go to "Networking", there's no default seleced
[01:07] <ellioTb> sivi, thanks, that is awsome, i hope it will run xfce faster than this gnome
[01:07] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: have you tried Ubuntu's network manager to set and check your configuration?
[01:07] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: *selected
[01:07] <lgc> gnomefreak: any idea?
[01:07] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: yea thats it
[01:08] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: pastebin "ifconfig eth0"
[01:08] <gnomefreak> lgc: not off hand.
[01:08] <cafuego> maxamillion: I have on occasion has some VERY weird X forward issues (but only on Debian sofar) where it wouls refuse to work (at all) until I purged ssh and reinstalled it.
[01:08] <Chm0d> anyone?
[01:08] <knut_> hello..
[01:08] <Chm0d> hello
[01:08] <lgc> gnomefreak: what oracle should I resort to now?
[01:08] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: i dont know how i'll paste it here
[01:08] <ellioTb> sivik, will it run the same gnome apps? or do i have toge t xcfe apps
[01:08] <knut_> i installed the nvidia drivers yet, and know my fonts are everywhere smaller than before
[01:08] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: im on a different computer
[01:08] <knut_> its very hard to read
[01:09] <knut_> how can i change it?
[01:09] <avagant> My computer is running like it's in the dark ages.
[01:09] <blind> I *cannot* get my VNC server working. I run Xvnc, and it tells me a server is already running, but I can't connect to it. Not from my computer, or a separate computer, or even one on the same network. Also, ps aux doesn't show any VNC processes.
[01:09] <knut_> its not only when im logged in, its in login screen too.. everywhere where x puts text out
[01:09] <lgc> gnomefreak: is there anything like network utility reconfiguration commands?
[01:09] <Chm0d> knut have you changed resolution?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> lgc: ifconfig
[01:09] <knut_> no Chm0d its the same
[01:09] <infinito> doen anyone know why having libdvdread3 and libdvdcss2 installed i can't read a dvd using totem-xine??
[01:09] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: is this machine you're using right now in the same LAN as the ubuntu box?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> lgc: gnome-network-manager
[01:09] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: yea
[01:10] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: can you ping the ubuntu box?
[01:10] <knut_> someone said me i should change the DPI but dont know what he mean Chm0d
[01:10] <pianoboy3333> sivik: you there?
[01:10] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: the request timed out
[01:10] <Knifa> hi, i've just managed to get ubuntu installed on my core 2 duo system (to an IDE drive from an IDE cd-rom) using the latest beta, the install went perfectly and there was no errors while it was installing, but now when I boot it won't detect the drive again, or atleast it won't mount it, so I can't get in :(
[01:10] <Knifa> anyone know what i can do to fix it?
[01:10] <gnomefreak> bbiab
[01:11] <MagicFab> Knifa, is the hD IDE ?
[01:11] <lgc> gnomefreak: gnomefreak gnome-network-manager reinstalls anything? Or it just asks you for options like DNS vs fixed IP and so on?
[01:11] <Knifa> yeah the hard drive is IDE
[01:11] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok then, seems like you don't have a (proper) IP address assigned to your Ubuntu box...
[01:11] <blind> Knifa: can you mount the drive manually?
[01:11] <Knifa> no idea
[01:11] <CorpseFeeder> I lost my connection and had to reboot
[01:11] <Knifa> i can't get in to try :S
[01:11] <Knifa> and i dunno any other way.
[01:11] <ellioTb> will the GDM login let you select between gnome and xfce
[01:11] <Chm0d> dpi dots per inch?  I would think he meant the resolution
[01:11] <Phlosten> ellioTb: yes
[01:11] <CorpseFeeder> what does it mean when you have a blank black screen with blinking cursor in top left and the caps lock and scroll lock on the keyboard is blinking?
[01:11] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: try this on your linux box: "sudo ifdown eth0 ; sudo ifup eth0"
[01:12] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: then try to ping your router again
[01:12] <MagicFab> Knifa, can you access the BIOS ? Can you check the specs to know if you're booting from IDE or SATA ?
[01:12] <Knifa> MagicFab it's booting from IDE
[01:12] <ellioTb> Phlosten, thanks, also will it run gnome apps? or do i have to get new ones for when i am in xfce
[01:12] <blind> CorpseFeeder: means switch your mouse and keyboard. afaik.
[01:12] <MagicFab> Knifa, what's the exact error ?
[01:12] <knut_> no Chm0d he means dpi
[01:12] <Phlosten> ellioTb: it will still run most gnome apps
[01:12] <blind> CorpseFeeder: like, they're plugged in the wrong PS/2 ports.
[01:12] <Knifa> MagicFab it boots to GRUB, starts loading a bit, then dies at "Being: loading root file system" (or something like that)
[01:12] <MagicFab> Knifa, when botting from the CD and choosing "boot from first HD", can you boot ?
[01:12] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: and give your user's password if prompted
[01:12] <Phlosten> ellioTb: most apps will run in kde/gnome/xfce etc
[01:12] <knut_> he said i should change the dpi in the ".Xressources" file
[01:13] <ellioTb> Phlosten, thanks, i am a total noob at this stuff right now
[01:13] <Knifa> MagicFab i havn't tried that, but i don't think it'll work since it isn't detected my drive.
[01:13] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: yea its still busy
[01:13] <MagicFab> Knifa, get the exact text of the error, Google will most likely help
[01:13] <Knifa> *detecting
[01:13] <CorpseFeeder> they're not in the wrong ports.
[01:13] <MagicFab> and we can lookinto kaunchpad
[01:13] <avagant> Is it possible to delete the kubuntu desktop without screwing anything up?
[01:13] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:its done now
[01:13] <lgc> gnomefreak: gnome-network-manager reinstalls anything? Or it just asks you for options like DNS vs fixed IP and so on?
[01:13] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: did you get an IP address?
[01:13] <MagicFab> Knifa, if the drive wasn't detected, you wouldn't even get to grub
[01:13] <ellioTb> Phlosten, i did the sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, once thats done will i be able to pick when i login, after a reboot or ctrl+alt+bckspc
[01:13] <avagant> my computer is running like i have 1gb left.
[01:13] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: like the last line looking like you were assigned such an IP address?
[01:13] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: you mean in terminal?
[01:14] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: yeah
[01:14] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: no
[01:14] <Knifa> MagicFab it's something to do with the IDE controller on core 2 duo motherboards
[01:14] <avagant> i think kde killed my hd leftover.
[01:14] <CorpseFeeder> it seems to do it when i use hibernate... I get the blinking keyboard LEDs and blank screen and have to press reset button.
[01:14] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: if pinging still doesn't work, what does the last line of the terminal output say?
[01:14] <avagant> cause now my computer is running like it's in the stone ages.
[01:14] <knut_> any idea Chm0d ?
[01:14] <lgc> gnomefreak: yoo-hoo!
[01:14] <Phlosten> ellioTb: that is correct, you click session or something like that and pick xfce and then you can tell it just for that session or all the time etc
[01:14] <Knifa> the latest daily build was supposed to fix it
[01:14] <Knifa> the installer works
[01:14] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: it just went back to the normal prompt with [user] @computer:
[01:14] <Knifa> but it won't boot.
[01:15] <ellioTb> Phlosten, awsome, thanks man
[01:15] <MagicFab> Knifa, at the risk of repeating... you wouldn't see anything near to GRUB if IDE wasn't detecting
[01:15] <MagicFab> probable the partition' s order / dev names have changed
[01:15] <Knifa> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/57502
[01:15] <Knifa> it's here
[01:15] <Knifa> it's this problem.
[01:15] <sureshot>  !wine
[01:15] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[01:15] <blind> I *cannot* get my VNC server working. I run Xvnc, and it tells me a server is already running, but I can't connect to it. Not from my computer, or a separate computer, or even one on the same network. Also, ps aux doesn't show any VNC processes.
[01:15] <avagant> !xubuntu
[01:15] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org  To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[01:15] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: I really need some configuration information of yours... please open /etc/network/interfaces and look up a "eth0" section
[01:15] <avagant> !kde
[01:15] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[01:16] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: it should start with "iface eth0"
[01:16] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you don't have multiple network cards in your Ubuntu machine, do you?
[01:16] <avagant> Maybe those 150 some packages that came with kde killed my computer.
[01:16] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: yes
[01:16] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you do have?
[01:16] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: i have a wireless usb
[01:16] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:but I disabled that
[01:16] <MagicFab> Knifa, that bug refers to SATA, not to IDE
[01:16] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you should pull the cable while testing
[01:17] <Knifa> MagicFab: the IDE runs off the same controller
[01:17] <avagant> it's taking 3 years for me to load up any programs.
[01:17] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: I mean the "USB-cable"
[01:17] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:let me try that
[01:17] <Knifa> it's something to do with the Jmicron PATA controller that is on the motherboard I have, other people are having the same problem, but apperntly the latest daily build is supposed to fix it. The installer works (unlike the stable releases) but when it actually tries to boot and mount the drive, it doesn't work. so i'm wondering if there's anything special i need to do to get it to work
[01:17] <avagant> can you ping on kde.
[01:17] <ellioTb> with IDE, there was a bug going around, for me to even install ubuntu i had to do "ide=nodma" in GRUB boot options
[01:17] <ellioTb> some people had to do ide=reverse or something like that as well
[01:17] <avagant> or rather ubuntu can you ping the entire program?
[01:18] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: and tell me what the line beginning with "iface eth0" in that interfaces-file exactly looks like
[01:18] <Crippy-Boy> :-/
[01:18] <MagicFab> Knifa, I'd check elliotb' s suggestions, out of ideas here
[01:18] <Knifa> kay
[01:18] <blind> avagant: ping a program?
[01:18] <avagant> like in windows when you go to run and type ping.
[01:18] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: iface eth0 inet static
[01:19] <avagant> can you do that with ubuntu?
[01:19] <Admiral_Chicago> avagant, command line, terminal
[01:19] <ellioTb> Knifa, try pressing F6 when you get to grub, and add the option ide=nodma and press enter
[01:19] <ellioTb> i'll brb
[01:19] <blind> avagant: just open a terminal, and type ping.
[01:19] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: address <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:19] <avagant> Didn't work
[01:19] <Admiral_Chicago> avagant, the command is still ping
[01:19] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:19] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok, what's the address of the box you're on right now?
[01:19] <Knifa> kay
[01:19] <blind> avagant: define didn't work.
[01:19] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:19] <avagant> i typed in ping and it's giving me a list of commands to go with ping
[01:19] <thenakedcowboy> i need some help with installing packages
[01:20] <avagant> i just need to find out why my computer is suddenly running so sluggish
[01:20] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you can't have two machines within the same LAN with the very same IP address
[01:20] <blind> avagant: what are you trying to ping?
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> avagant, try this "ping <IP_ADDRESS>"
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> no quotes
[01:20] <thenakedcowboy> i am a compleat linux n00b
[01:20] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:i dont
[01:20] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: wait sorry uh let me check
[01:20] <Crippy-Boy> thenakedcowboy, What are you trying to install, Or just in general?
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> thenakedcowboy, what package?
[01:20] <txoof> what is the meta package for the ubuntu desktop environemnt?
[01:20] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:20] <MagicFab> txoof, ubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> txoof, ubuntu-desktop iirc
[01:20] <Crippy-Boy> ubuntu-desktop?
[01:20] <avagant> my computer just pretty much died on me.
[01:21] <avagant> i could run more than one program without lag, and all the sudden there's a ton of lag.
[01:21] <speud> hello
[01:21] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok... type, in a shell: ifconfig eth0|head -n 2|tail -n 1
[01:21] <speud> some french here ?
[01:21] <avagant> it takes about 2 minutes to just open up something.
[01:21] <blind> avagant, that has nothing to do with ping.
[01:21] <Admiral_Chicago> avagant, you may have a memory leak
[01:21] <avagant> Oh I know, but in windows it would irmpove it a bit.
[01:21] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: does it display the IP address <IP_ADDRESS>?
[01:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !fr > speud
[01:22] <blind> avagant: no it wouldn't O_o
[01:22] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: do i type in the |
[01:22] <avagant> Well...it was wishful thinking.
[01:22] <Admiral_Chicago> avagant, what do you run?
[01:22] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: hold "alt-gr" and press the "<>" key (lower left on a german keyboard)
[01:22] <avagant> Ubuntu? Haha
[01:22] <txoof> can I remove all the refering packages via a meta package?  e.g. I installed ubuntu-desktop and now want to remove all that was dependant on it.  Is there a way to do that?
[01:22] <blind> avagant, open a terminal, type ps aux and find out what's using all your memory.
[01:22] <avagant> DO you mean programs?
[01:22] <Crippy-Boy> What does ping have to do with your computer lagging?
[01:22] <Phlosten> txoof: only one by one afaik
[01:22] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: or just type "ifconfig eth0" and check the second line
[01:23] <blind> Crippy-Boy: it doesn't.
[01:23] <ellioTb> can't really tell if XFCE is faster
[01:23] <ellioTb> hrmmm
[01:23] <keegan_> I just downloaded Conky and its pretty sweet, but I was wondering if there is a way I can show what I am playing inside Amarok on my Desktop just like Conky shows how my system is going?  Anyone know how to do that or direct me in a direction would be really cool
[01:23] <blind> keegan, try #conky
[01:23] <ellioTb> they need like a gnome/kde/xfce benchmark
[01:23] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: ok i got it: inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>   Mask: <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:23] <lgc> cafuego: You familiar with networking problems (eth0 is dead after a reboot and no updates or messing around with parameters)?
[01:24] <Crippy-Boy> blind, Just what i was thinking :-/
[01:24] <txoof> Is there a way I can get apt to spit out all the packages that are refered to by a meta package?  I can then use that to remove everything...
[01:24] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok this looks like your machine is correctly configured with respect to IP address
[01:24] <avagant> I don't know what's making it run so bad.
[01:24] <speud> what do i write to go ubuntu-fr ?
[01:24] <blind> avagant, open a terminal, type `ps aux`
[01:24] <Admiral_Chicago> ellioTb, i hear KDE runs fster than GNOME
[01:24] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: are the cables connected correctly?
[01:24] <speud> no gnome is faster kde
[01:24] <avagant> That's what I did.
[01:24] <sureshot> does anyone know if s.w.a.t 3 and 4 will work with wine
[01:24] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: yes
[01:24] <ellioTb> Admiral_Chicago, does it really? i heard the opposite
[01:25] <Admiral_Chicago> speud, /join #ubuntu-fr
[01:25] <blind> it should tell you how much everything is using.
[01:25] <avagant> blind: That's what I did but I can't really see what's making it go crazy.
[01:25] <blind> pastebin it.
[01:25] <ellioTb> speud, how about xfce vs. gnome, i am having a hard time telling
[01:25] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: it was just working before I reinstalled ubuntu
[01:25] <Knifa> nah that didn't work either
[01:25] <blind> ellioTb: if you want fast, go with fluxbox :]
[01:25] <Knifa> i think i'll just need to wait till a fix is released that works
[01:25] <ellioTb> blind, really? whats that, and where do i get!
[01:25] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: not sure what the reinstallation changed... type "route -n" and tell me if there are any entries
[01:25] <motin> Updated: http://wiki.motin.eu/HowToComfortablySwitchFromWindowsToUbuntu  I appreciate feedback and impromptu corrections (the wiki is open for everyone)
[01:26] <blind> ellioTb: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[01:26] <avagant> !pastebin
[01:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:26] <ellioTb> well thats easy enough
[01:26] <blind> ellioTb: it might be confusing to a novice, though. make sure you read the documentation :]
[01:26] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: how do do a line break without actually sending the message?
[01:26] <lgc> nalioth: you there?
[01:26] <ellioTb> blind, to a novice? or a semi-noob like me
[01:26] <sureshot> does anyone know if s.w.a.t 3 and 4 will work with wine
[01:26] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: in IRC?
[01:27] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you can't, but use pastebin for that
[01:27] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: well i have trillian
[01:27] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: pastebin?
[01:27] <blind> ellioTb: both. i love it, but it's not the easiest to work with.
[01:27] <CosmoDad> !tell dmglouis_ about pastebin
[01:28] <avagant> blind: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25609/
[01:28] <ellioTb> blind, well this comp is a 2.2ghz with 256m of ram with an ati radeon (laptop btw) and it seems SOOO slow in gnome
[01:28] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you'd paste the multi-line content within http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and give me the URL
[01:28] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: this is going to take some time
[01:28] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: wait
[01:28] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: are you going to paste the route output?
[01:28] <Crippy-Boy> ellioTb, Install Fbdesk and fluxconf with it, should make it a bit easier.
[01:28] <dmglouis_> not paste but type
[01:28] <ellioTb> Crippy-Boy, thanx
[01:29] <orinoco> hi
[01:29] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: there's an easier way...
[01:29] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:what?
[01:29] <orinoco> when is ubuntu dapper supposed to be out?
[01:29] <sureshot> ellioTb what modle is your card
[01:29] <ellioTb> sureshot, 350M
[01:29] <orinoco> no dapper, the nexto one :(
[01:29] <lgc> hedix:
[01:29] <ellioTb> orinoco, i am in dapper
[01:29] <ellioTb> heh
[01:29] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: look at /etc/network/interfaces again, look up the "iface eth0" section and tell me whether there's a "gateway <IP address> entry below it
[01:29] <cpk2> i got the 686 kernel but cant tell how to double check that it isnt using SMP?
[01:29] <sureshot> elliotb do you know if it is fglrx compaitble
[01:30] <Crippy-Boy> cpk2, uname -a?
[01:30] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:there is
[01:30] <orinoco> ellioTb, i meant the new one, knot ?
[01:30] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: what's the IP address?
[01:30] <orinoco> how is its name?
[01:30] <orinoco> edgy eft
[01:30] <ellioTb> sureshot, it isn't when i tried last last, said no devices when i change it from ati to fglrx
[01:30] <orinoco> thats it
[01:30] <avagant> watch he leaves as soon as i try to get some help. heh
[01:30] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:30] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: and does it equal your router's address?
[01:30] <cpk2> Crippy-Boy: says SMP PREEMPT I have no idea what that means
[01:30] <orinoco> then, when is edgy eft suposed to be out ????
[01:30] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:yes
[01:30] <sureshot> checke this out
[01:30] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok. do you have any firewalls running?
[01:30] <ellioTb> programs just seem to take FOREVER to start, but then run fine
[01:30] <sureshot> !nividia
[01:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nividia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <sureshot> !nvidia
[01:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:on this computer
[01:31] <avagant> my programs are taking 10 years to load up too.
[01:31] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: no on the Ubuntu machine
[01:31] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:no
[01:31] <vjacob> is there a powerpc/mac ubuntu channel?
[01:31] <sureshot> ellioTb check this out it will tell you if your card is and give you instrucktions on how to install
[01:31] <blind> avagant: not sure whats eating everything up :\
[01:31] <Razor-> Hey does anyone here use gaim for there msn account
[01:31] <keegan_> I do
[01:31] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:and my router control panel shows the ubuntu box as connected
[01:32] <ellioTb> Razor-, i couldn't get it to work for mine, prolly just forgot my pas
[01:32] <avagant> well it seems overnight my gb went down
[01:32] <Razor-> i block someone and i cant unblock them do you know how lol
[01:32] <avagant> i have like 4.3gb out of 10 left.
[01:32] <avagant> maybe i should uninstall kde even though it's amazing and I like it.
[01:32] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: it does? ok, then it's gotta be a software issue. are you connected via wire or wlan?
[01:32] <blind> Razor-: privacy. check your preferences.
[01:32] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: wire
[01:32] <keegan_> Razor-: I've never blocked anyone before but I believe its Tools>Privacy
[01:32] <Crippy-Boy> avagant, have you got gnome or xfce installed aswell as kde?
[01:33] <sureshot> does anyone know if s.w.a.t 3 and 4 will work with wine
[01:33] <avagant> i've gnome and kde.
[01:33] <ellioTb> Razor-, get new friends?
[01:33] <Crippy-Boy> avagant, Uninstall gnome?
[01:33] <avagant> But I heard it's hard to just uninstall it.
[01:33] <avagant> and wouldn't i have to get all the programs back?
[01:33] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: and you said your two LAN machines cannot ping each other right?
[01:33] <Yono> hi
[01:33] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: like the ubuntu machine cannot ping the windows machine and the other way around
[01:33] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ?
[01:33] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: nope this and ubuntu cant
[01:34] <Crippy-Boy> avagant, I cant really answer that, never tried but it shouldnt be too difficult.
[01:34] <avagant> Crippy-Boy: Someone just said it's a pain.
[01:34] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: type "sudo iptables -L -n" and tell me whether all three policies are set to ACCEPT
[01:34] <Yono> my dual monitors worked during installation and work during bootup, but only one monitor works on my desktop
[01:34] <Yono> can anyone help?
[01:35] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:they are
[01:35] <ellioTb> Yono, what kind of video card
[01:35] <Dekkard> is there anyword of screensaver locking up systems?
[01:35] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: and each chain only(!) contains a line like this: "target     prot opt source               destination" ?
[01:35] <Yono> ellioTb: Nvidia ti4200 w/ ap8x
[01:35] <Yono> lspci -v says its installed fine
[01:35] <malice_> what program can I use to convert pictures that I took to a smaller size so I can email them? The Pictures are around 2 megs a piece
[01:35] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:yes
[01:36] <Yono> but only during bootup do both monitors work
[01:36] <nexsan> anyone know the command to install the build essentials?
[01:36] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok. when you ping your router or the windows host, what does ping return as error message?
[01:36] <avagant> There's one.
[01:36] <w30> malice_, gimp, xv
[01:36] <avagant> Can I kill things from the command line, processes?
[01:36] <malice_> w30: ty
[01:36] <avagant> Or would I have better success doing it from system monitor?
[01:36] <Knifa> okay seems i have to add "all-generic-ide" to get it to work
[01:36] <Knifa> a command rather
[01:36] <Knifa> but how do i do that?
[01:36] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:3 pckts trans, 0 rcvd, +3 errors, 100% packet loss
[01:36] <w30> malice_, xv
[01:37] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: and time 1999ms
[01:37] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: I mean something like "Destination Host Unreachable" ?
[01:37] <nexsan> Anyone know the command to build-essentials?
[01:37] <Crippy-Boy> nexsan, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:37] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:yes
[01:37] <avagant> I don't have bluetooth and in fact I deleted it, but apparently it's still running.
[01:37] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:that too
[01:37] <nexsan> thank you Crippy
[01:37] <blind> I *cannot* get my VNC server working. I run Xvnc, and it tells me a server is already running, but I can't connect to it. Not from my computer, or a separate computer, or even one on the same network. Also, ps aux doesn't show any VNC processes.
[01:37] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: geez...
[01:37] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:what?
[01:38] <Knifa> How do I add the "all-generic-ide" to the kernel? D:
[01:38] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: jesus
[01:38] <w30> malice_, it's an old simple Unix graphics program by John Bradley
[01:38] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: i know it can work, i got it working last time
[01:38] <ellioTb> man, i like this fluxbox
[01:38] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: your prob is either really simple and I can't seem to figure it or really hard
[01:38] <ellioTb> nice and clean
[01:38] <blind> ellioTb:  :D it's wonderful. fully customizable.
[01:38] <Crippy-Boy> ellioTb, Wait till you start messing with the conf files ;-)
[01:38] <avagant> fluxbox?
[01:38] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:last time it was not that hard i dont think
[01:38] <lgc> avagant: there are several possibilities: "kill -9 PID" or, better, "pkill -KILL name"
[01:38] <blind> ellioTb: just make sure you run nautilus with --no-desktop
[01:38] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: what worries me is the fact that it looks correct
[01:39] <vjacob_> is there a powerpc/mac ubuntu channel?
[01:39] <ellioTb> Crippy-Boy, i know, its so simple right now, where are all the confs
[01:39] <nexsan> anyone know a good place to find cedega documentation?
[01:39] <ellioTb> blind, ok, i'll figger out how to do that
[01:39] <Crippy-Boy> ellioTb, Read the fluxbox docs, you'll learn plenty from them
[01:39] <vjacob_> anyone here watch TV on their mac? I am thinking more about analog or DTT than IPTV-based situations...
[01:39] <sureshot> does anyone know if s.w.a.t 3 and 4 will work with wine
[01:40] <ellioTb> Crippy-Boy, alright thanx
[01:40] <avagant> nautilus --no-desktop?
[01:40] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: please do "cat /etc/network/run/ifstate" and tell me how many lines the output gives?
[01:40] <avagant> What does that do?
[01:40] <nexsan> sureshot use cedega
[01:40] <blind> sureshot: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[01:40] <avagant> I think i might uninstall kubuntu.
[01:40] <Crippy-Boy> sureshot, Just try it, I doubt it though, you might have more luck with cedega
[01:40] <nexsan> i need a cedega manual
[01:40] <avagant> Even though there's alot of really good programs I like.
[01:40] <lgc> avagant: did you read my last post?
[01:40] <avagant> no?
[01:40] <sureshot> you have to pay for cedega and they are snobs on there channel
[01:40] <lgc> avagant: about killing processes...
[01:40] <avagant> oooh
[01:40] <avagant> yah
[01:41] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:no such file
[01:41] <nexsan> you have to pay for cedega?
[01:41] <NickABusey> I plug in an external USB drive, and it shows up in my Dev Manager for like 10 seconds, then disappears from the list again. Any ideas why?
[01:41] <Razor-> what other msn clients are there for ubuntu
[01:41] <nexsan> lol
[01:41] <avagant> It still running pretty slow.
[01:41] <nexsan> i suppose you have to pay for linux as well huh?
[01:41] <nexsan> lol
[01:41] <Crippy-Boy> sureshot, snobs? :P
[01:41] <sureshot> why can you get it with out paying
[01:41] <blind> nexsan, you're on the internet ;)
[01:41] <zircx> hey guys, hows it going, I'm looking to try something new as a desktop enviroment, ubuntu might be the go heh..
[01:41] <nexsan> lol
[01:41] <vjacob__> razor, have you looked at mercury and amsn?
[01:41] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you sure?
[01:41] <nexsan> that's what i'm trying to tell sure
[01:41] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: no typo?
[01:41] <Razor-> no thanks
[01:41] <vjacob__> i think they are both crossplatform
[01:41] <nexsan> this si the internet
[01:41] <nexsan> ....
[01:42] <ellioTb> Crippy-Boy, whats a good site for themes/styles? boxwhore.org?
[01:42] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:ys
[01:42] <blind> ellioTb: yes
[01:42] <sureshot> Crippy-Boy yes as i said was over there yesterday asked a question and got called stupid for my troubles
[01:42] <NickABusey> I plug in an external USB drive, and it shows up in my Dev Manager for like 10 seconds, then disappears from the list again. Any ideas why?
[01:42] <avagant> !fluxbox
[01:42] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[01:42] <nexsan> http://www.gnome-look.org
[01:42] <blind> boxwhore > gnome-look for fluxbox
[01:42] <avagant> How do I delete kubuntu without having any problems?
[01:42] <CCmonster> hey
[01:42] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok... do "sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces" and change the "iface eth0 inet static" to "iface eth0 inet dhcp"...
[01:42] <ellioTb> blind, this seems 100X faster
[01:42] <CCmonster> whay kind of bluetooth support is there in Ubuntu?
[01:42] <blind> ellioTb: it's wonderful :]
[01:42] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: save and exit gedit, then do "sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0"
[01:43] <zircx> blah that was annoying..
[01:43] <lgc> avagant: never try "kill -9 -1"!
[01:43] <avagant> lgc: Why not? Hehe
[01:43] <avagant> I seem to be good at ruining other things.
[01:43] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: and tell me whether you can see a DHCP request attempt and its result
[01:43] <Crippy-Boy> avagant, did you just install it ontop of ubuntu?
[01:43] <lgc> avagant: Wanna try?
[01:43] <avagant> Yah Crippy-Boy I did.
[01:43] <avagant> lgc: No, I'll pass.
[01:43] <nexsan> cedega anyone?
[01:43] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:ok
[01:43] <avagant> lgc: I'll have to keep track of it.
[01:44] <nexsan> before i hit the crack pipe and forget what i was doing...
[01:44] <ellioTb> blind, how do you install these styles, only if its an easy explanation, otherwise i'll go try to look it up
[01:44] <lgc> avagant: you better. But be advised that it'll kill all your processes, in case you need.
[01:44] <blind> ellioTb: move it to ~/.fluxbox/styles
[01:44] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:i still cant ping the router
[01:44] <avagant> I just don't understand why I'm like super slow dude.
[01:44] <ellioTb> blind, unzipped or in the gz
[01:44] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: after you did the ifup-part, did it show a bunch of lines?
[01:44] <avagant> It's faster then it was before, but.
[01:45] <blind> ellioTb: unzipped, but still in individual folders
[01:45] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:ifup?
[01:45] <zircx> I'm looking for to possibly try something new, ubuntu looks like a good option, does the desktop enviroment come with the samba tools for setting up a linux machine that can share with window xp machines? or do those tools come with part of the server installation
[01:45] <avagant> It's like I'm running an old apple or something.
[01:45] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: "sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0"
[01:45] <ryanakca> how do you set the interval between each image when using image magick? animate *.png  is what I'm using, and they go too fast
[01:45] <Crippy-Boy> avagant, what are your machine specs?
[01:46] <blind> ryanakca: have you read the man file? there's a switch, i think it's -d but im not sure.
[01:46] <jrib> ryanakca: animate -help, says there is a -delay option
[01:46] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: a lot lines just cam now
[01:46] <avagant> I don't know haha.
[01:46] <avagant> I have 2 10 gb hd's..
[01:46] <nexsan> zircx: i have windows on another partition and it sees them fine
[01:46] <nexsan> from the moment i installed
[01:46] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: try pinging again
[01:46] <nexsan> i can access the files, but i can't write to them...
[01:46] <avagant> Crippy-Boy: I got this off Craigslist, I guess I deserve it.
[01:46] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:its still busy
[01:46] <nexsan> i can also copy them onto the linux part.
[01:46] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok
[01:46] <blind> nexsan: is the drive NTFS ?
[01:46] <ellioTb> blind, once they are there, do i do a reconfigure?
[01:47] <jomino> nexsan, do you have windows on ntfs?
[01:47] <ryanakca> blind: jrib: yep, I was reading animate *.png ... never thought to search for the term 'delay'...
[01:47] <blind> ellioTb: they should show up automatically.
[01:47] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: doing dhcpdiscover
[01:47] <blind> right click, then down to styles.
[01:47] <nexsan> jomino yes
[01:47] <zircx> nexsan , you can access the files from windows to linux? but can't write to those files, or vice versa?
[01:47] <nexsan> i have a 320 SATA drive
[01:47] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: the network is unreachable now
[01:47] <avagant> Ok like I said how hard is it to uninstall kubuntu-desktop without screwing everything up?
[01:47] <nexsan> with 200 for windows
[01:47] <nexsan> ntfs
[01:47] <blind> nexsan, linux doesn't yet have full NTFS support.
[01:47] <nexsan> split in two
[01:47] <nexsan> well i'm running xp on ntfs on the same drive
[01:47] <ellioTb> blind, they did thanx, fbdesk is the desktop thing?
[01:48] <nexsan> and i switch between the two
[01:48] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: :/  this wasn't a help. revert the changes (substitute the "dhcp" by "static" again) and do the "sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0" again afterwards
[01:48] <blind> nexsan, you didn't install linux on NTFS. a partition was made.
[01:48] <nexsan> i know
[01:48] <jomino> nexsan, thats normal...there is a patch afair but i don't know where to get it and if it works well
[01:48] <nexsan> i didn't say i did
[01:48] <blind> ellioTb: im not sure what fbdesk is.
[01:48] <La_PaRCa> Hey, I f I want to connecto to a windows machine should I use RDP or RDPv5 from the terminal services client?
[01:49] <REALFLEO> is the command a2ensite supporte on ubuntu
[01:49] <overridden> good evening
[01:49] <Alethes> REALFLEO:  yeah, that's an apache thing, not distro specific
[01:49] <zircx> so what's the big difference from having a ubuntu desktop with any other distro for that matter?
[01:49] <avagant> blind: Were you the one who said they'd never tried to uninstall kubuntu-desktop?
[01:49] <sureshot> no it is not a good eve.. but glad you are having one
[01:49] <blind> avagant: no. but i also haven't :P
[01:50] <avagant> I don't have wanna like 3 desktop environments.
[01:50] <nexsan> ubuntu is the name of the distro, it runs Gnome desktop environment
[01:50] <avagant> but i don't want it to ruin anything.
[01:50] <Dr_willis> avagant,  basicially you fire up synaptic and start searching/uninstalling any kde related packages you see
[01:50] <ellioTb> blind, then what do you use for a desktop, or do you just not have one
[01:50] <nexsan> if you like KDE better, get Kubuntu
[01:50] <Dr_willis> it 'shouldent' hurt anything
[01:50] <overridden> whats the security difference between using your router as dns of using the dns from your isp directly ? whats the best thing to do ?
[01:50] <avagant> Dr_willis: Are you serious that could take hours.
[01:50] <REALFLEO> ok cuz  the cobash: a2ensite: command not found
[01:50] <blind> ellioTb: i used to run fluxbox, but now im in gnome. (so i can run beryl <3)
[01:50] <nexsan> i use the dns from my isp
[01:50] <jrib> avagant: removing some important kde library like libqt3-mt should do the trick (or use deborphan)
[01:50] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: now it says no such process
[01:50] <Dr_willis> avagant, Yep. theres no 'quick and easy way ' to do it - UNLESS you installed it with aptitude.
[01:51] <REALFLEO> can I manually put the file in sites-enabled ?
[01:51] <sorush20> hi
[01:51] <zircx> overridden . dns from the isp, only because they've got backup dns servers, or you can use your own with your isp as a back up dns server
[01:51] <blind> hi
[01:51] <avagant> I don't remember how I installed it.
[01:51] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: when does it say that?
[01:51] <Dr_willis> avagant,  theres a web site  that lists the standard packages installed by kubuntu-desktop. but i dont rember the url..
[01:51] <sureshot> blind beryl is very nice
[01:51] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: SIOCDELRT: No such process
[01:51] <avagant> I'm not sure if I used apt or aptitute.
[01:51] <blind> sureshot: sure is :q
[01:51] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: after ifdown and ifup
[01:51] <sorush20> how do I recover a file that I accidentally deleted.. I did sudo rm /etc/modules
[01:51] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok, but you did revert the change?
[01:51] <jrib> Dr_willis, avagant: the website is psychocats or something similar, so googling for kubuntu psychocats should do it
[01:51] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:yea
[01:51] <blind> sorush20: why did you do that? :[
[01:51] <Dr_willis> avagant,  try aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop personally  I never unisntall stuff.
[01:51] <avagant> So if I deleted kubuntu-desktop completely would it ruin gnome and everything else?
[01:52] <sureshot> blind got it working yesterday it was worth the trouble are you xgl or aixgl
[01:52] <avagant> Well I think that's why my computer is running like it's from the stoneage.
[01:52] <sorush20> blind: accident.. I wanted to delte something else..
[01:52] <lgc> sorush20: not many options...
[01:52] <blind> sureshot: xgl.
[01:52] <avagant> Because I have gnome and kde.
[01:52] <Dr_willis> avagant,  kubuntu-desktop is a meta-pacakge - it may not really remove much at all.
[01:52] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: I'm kinda lost right now
[01:52] <Dr_willis> avagant,  if it reloves too much - you can always reinstall stuff.
[01:52] <dmglouis_> cosmodad:lol
[01:52] <zircx> I've become more accustomed to gnome over kde.. which is a nice relief, because i felt as though gnome got lost in their development at one point
[01:52] <avagant> But it came with 150 files Dr_willis
[01:52] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: I'll come over to your place and fix the prob myself ;)
[01:52] <sureshot> blind same here aigxl is  not compatable to my ati card
[01:52] <ellioTb> blind, does the transparency work for everyone in flux, it hates me
[01:52] <Dr_willis> avagant,  and your point is? :)
[01:53] <avagant> I like the Kommand line too in kde.
[01:53] <blind> ellioTb: transparency isn't that big in flux.
[01:53] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: thanks for the help anyway
[01:53] <avagant> But I think it's killing my computer.
[01:53] <blind> sureshot: yeah, i've got an old nvidia card.
[01:53] <pushpop> hi all
[01:53] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you're welcome. oh, one last thing:
[01:53] <nexsan> i'm a gnome
[01:53] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: yes?
[01:53] <Dr_willis> avagant,  i dont see how having kde and gnome both installed would affect the computer
[01:53] <pushpop> are there any 64-bit users in the house?
[01:53] <sorush20> well is there anyway I could undelete the file? surely there must be.
[01:53] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: you didn't set up your router *after* you've booted your ubuntu box did you?
[01:53] <sureshot> blind aigxl is supposed to be compatable to nividia card
[01:53] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: no
[01:54] <zircx> I'm just trying to figure out what the biggest advanatages would be going with ubuntu as a desktop
[01:54] <blind> sureshot: ALL of them? I don't know, I just installed it two days ago. Didn't know anything about it :]
[01:54] <avagant> Well I don't have many GB on this HD
[01:54] <rylasasin> hi guys i'm having a few problems
[01:54] <zircx> i guess, the bleeding edge software and technology that it has would be an advantage ..
[01:54] <rylasasin> I can't get sound to play from YTMND.com
[01:54] <simpla> hi peoples
[01:54] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: ok. I suggest you reboot your ubuntu box before continuing to fix your problem
[01:54] <avagant> That didn't work at all.
[01:54] <blind> rylasasin: that's because it's flash
[01:54] <sureshot> blind let me find an url i will post it to you in a few ok
[01:54] <dmglouis_> cosmodad: lol im doing it right now
[01:54] <blind> sureshot, sure.
[01:54] <CosmoDad> dmglouis_: :)
[01:55] <theunruled> hihi people, I have a centrino CPU, would I need linux-386 or linux-686?
[01:55] <simpla> is there anyone into development on ubuntu here?
[01:55] <avagant> wait what?
[01:55] <pushpop> i have two separate hard drives, one with ubuntu and the other with Windows XP, I just installed Ubuntu with GRUB but when I boot my system no boot menu is presented to me and it just boots windows
[01:55] <sorush20> asdf
[01:55] <rylasasin> I have the flash plugin I think
[01:55] <avagant> "kubuntu-desktop not installed so not removed?"
[01:55] <pushpop> can anyone help me
[01:55] <sorush20> asdf
[01:55] <nexsan> cause windows has the MBR
[01:55] <avagant> I'm using kde right now.
[01:55] <collier_> Excuse me, I just installed ACCT threw Synaptic Package Manager now how do I access it?
[01:55] <lgc> sorush20: ghjk
[01:55] <nexsan> grub was suppose to be installed on the first drive
[01:55] <avagant> How is it not installed?
[01:55] <zircx> what do people prefer as a standard installation, the server or desktop? and are their many differences from a package install perspective or is it the fact that the server just offers a working LAMP on install
[01:55] <nexsan> what you can do is make the second drive first in the bios
[01:55] <blind> avagant: did you install kde?
[01:56] <pushpop> nexsan: thanks
[01:56] <sorush20> so I have deleted the file /etc/modules how do i get it back
[01:56] <pushpop> will try it
[01:56] <nexsan> ;)
[01:56] <collier_> Excuse me, I just installed ACCT threw Synaptic Package Manager now how do I access it, like what command do I type in terminal????
[01:56] <nexsan> do the boot priority
[01:56] <rylasasin> so what do I need to make YTMND work?
[01:56] <Razor-> what was that mercury messenger what is its file name i cant find it in synaptic
[01:56] <blind> rylasasin: you can install flash 9 with wine.
[01:56] <simpla> zircx: desktop.   Server install is best if you want to setup a console box with server stuff, like web server, etc
[01:56] <nexsan> ftp...
[01:56] <pushpop> i dunno if the boot order meny allows you to specify the drives, i think it just loads whichever one you specify in the bios
[01:57] <pushpop> hopefully that made sense
[01:57] <sureshot> blind are you running dapper or edgy
[01:57] <zircx> simpla, ok, that makes sense, i've already got an independent server running my services at the moment, so I'm really looking for a tidy desktop enviroment
[01:57] <blind> sureshot: dapper
[01:57] <nexsan> you should be able to adjust the boot priority individually, depending on the bios...
[01:57] <zircx> also aixgl / xgl looks like nice eye candy
[01:57] <nexsan> anyone know the package name for xlibs?
[01:57] <nexsan> it's not under xlibs
[01:57] <blind> zircx: oh it is.
[01:57] <bm0nk> Would anyone be able to give me some 1-2-1 advice on setting up prism54usb? ( im using http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/
[01:58] <blind> zircx: it's wonderful eye candy. want some screenshots? xD
[01:58] <zircx> yeah dump a couple please blind
[01:58] <simpla> zircx, install the ubuntu desktop!  Its what I am running now, and its great, with plans to setup a home server using the server install
[01:58] <pushpop> I havent tried it in the BIOS, but in the boot menu when i hit F12 it doesnt seem to specify the individual drives
[01:58] <Dr_willis> nexsan,  its obsolited..  its part of an older package. but no longre really need.
[01:58] <pushpop> maybe im mistaken though
[01:58] <pushpop> wow, this place is busy :-)
[01:58] <nexsan> Dr_willis: cedega is asking for it....
[01:58] <pushpop> im used to IRC channels with 100 people max
[01:58] <Dr_willis> nexsan,  cedega wanted it.. i edited the cedega.deb and removed the dependency.. or the wiki/forums discuss other ways to get around the issue
[01:58] <zircx> blind , does it restrict the ability to play games also?
[01:59] <Dr_willis> nexsan,  cedega is stupid that way. :P ive seen other apps want it as well.
[01:59] <zircx> UT etc etc..
[01:59] <nexsan> cheeses
[01:59] <nexsan> ok
[01:59] <nexsan> now to get around this
[01:59] <rylasasin> I have wine, now how do I get to flash 9?
[01:59] <blind> zircx: not afaik
[01:59] <nexsan> that's why i love linux
[01:59] <nexsan> :o
[01:59] <zircx> k
[01:59] <keegan_> To get the dependecy errors off Cedega deb just use alien to turn it into a .tgz then back to a .deb
[01:59] <CyberSlug> Is there anyone here able to help me with a beagle indexing problem: it seems to freeze on a task, utilising 100% CPU, and doing nothing.
[01:59] <zircx> I knew i owned an xbox for a reason..
[01:59] <nexsan> keegan: you got me
[02:00] <zircx> blind , where are those screenies..
[02:00] <avagant> It's kde.
[02:00] <rylasasin> where do I get flash 9 from here?
[02:00] <avagant> blind: It's more definitley kde that's making my computer slow.
[02:00] <zircx> flash 9, as in the plugin?
[02:00] <avagant> But I cant uninstall it!
[02:00] <rylasasin> yes
[02:00] <DrSpin> !wpa
[02:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:00] <rylasasin> for firefox
[02:01] <bm0nk> Im trying to setup the prism54usb from http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/ - but I'm pretty new to linux so im not 100% sure on what im doing...would anyone be able to help?
[02:01] <blind> zircx: I'll pm em to you
[02:01] <keegan_> Linux doesn't have flash 9
[02:01] <blind> avagant: are you IN kde?
[02:01] <blind> keegan_: you can install it with wine. >_>
[02:01] <rylasasin> yeah but you said you could install it through wine
[02:01] <Dr_willis> avagant,  id like to see your proof that kde is definitley the issue
[02:01] <adam410> Hi, I'm running an ubuntu LAMP server, and I'd like to modify the DHCP settings so that my router (apple airport via eth0) doesn't assign a random internal IP, suck that it is static and ports are always forwarded to it. how do u modify the DHCP settings from $
[02:01] <keegan_> Can you use linux Firefox with flash 9 on wine?
[02:01] <zircx> damn, I'm still on flash 7.0r25
[02:01] <blind> keegan_: yes
[02:02] <avagant> blind: I'm not in kde anymore.
[02:02] <keegan_> You know where I could find a tutorial on that?
[02:02] <avagant> blind: I ctrl alt backspaced
[02:02] <sureshot> blind try this one for started i did not save the one i wanted to send you sorry.. i also wene to the cannels xgl and aixgl and askquestion
[02:02] <nexsan> adam: enter the ip of your router in a web browser window
[02:02] <sureshot> blind http://gandalfn.wordpress.com/howto-compiz-aiglx-on-dapper/
[02:02] <thermionic> anyone here got a working mirrors.list for apt-mirror ?
[02:02] <blind> avagant: then kde isn't slowing you down
[02:02] <nexsan> you should be able to access the router, don't know not a mac guy, but that's how other routers work
[02:02] <avagant> But I was when it was slowing me down.
[02:02] <avagant> Gnome seems to be running fine.
[02:03] <blind> avagant: then don't run kde
[02:03] <avagant> Well duh!
[02:03] <avagant> xD
[02:03] <keegan_> avagant if Gnome and KDE are slow why not us XFCE or Fluxbox.
[02:03] <adam410> nexasn: it uses a mac application for admin, and it doesn't support changing the internal IP from the router, it has to been done via DHCP, i had to go thru this on my mac.
[02:03] <thermionic> adam you need to config the DHCP service on the router, not the client
[02:03] <avagant> keegan_: I can't get kde to uninstall!
[02:03] <collier_> Excuse me, I just INSTALLED ACCT threw Synaptic, Now how do I access it, Like whats the commad in terminal?
[02:04] <keegan_> avagant: Did you install it through the Repos?
[02:04] <avagant> I just wish I could install Konsule instead of termial.
[02:04] <adam410> thermionic: this apple router doesnt allow that, it needs to be done from the client
[02:04] <blind> avagant: you can.
[02:04] <JohnNash27892> hello .. i need some help with ubuntu on ibook g4
[02:04] <avagant> I like the black look of the kde terminal.
[02:04] <CyberSlug> keegan_, http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ - That's the url to keep up to date about Flash 9 for linux
[02:04] <Dr_willis> avagant,  you mean konsole ?
[02:04] <JohnNash27892> i cant get the wired network to work
[02:04] <keegan_> CyberSlug: Thanks dude
[02:04] <collier_> Excuse me, I just INSTALLED ACCT threw Synaptic, Now how do I access it, Like whats the commad in terminal?
[02:04] <avagant> konsole doesn't show up in gnome?
[02:04] <JohnNash27892> can anybody help ?
[02:05] <avagant> keegan_: I did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop I believe.
[02:05] <avagant> I can't remember what I did.
[02:05] <thermionic> I think you actually need to run an apple program on the client to configure the routre
[02:05] <CyberSlug> keegan_, No problem **^^**
[02:05] <blind> avagant, just run it. ALT+F2 konsole
[02:05] <w30>  avagant with gnome-terminal you can change colors with editing profiles for terminal
[02:05] <sorush20> I accidentally deleted my modules file in /etc/ what will happen if I restart the computer?
[02:05] <avagant> yay konsole! ^_^
[02:05] <blind> avagant: :]
[02:05] <avagant> but anyways, I don't know how to get rid of kde.
[02:06] <collier_> Excuse me, I just INSTALLED ACCT threw Synaptic, Now how do I access it, Like whats the commad in terminal?
[02:06] <CosmoDad> sorush20: those modules might not get loaded during boot-up
[02:06] <avagant> But everything seems to be running smooth on gnome.
[02:06] <blind> avagant: is it necessary? lol
[02:06] <nexsa1> that's what i get for trying to edit the DHCP while i'm online
[02:06] <nexsa1> :(
[02:06] <holycow> you need to remove the main kde library ... i forget what it is.  ask #kde3
[02:06] <sorush20> CosmoDad: how can i fix this ?
[02:06] <holycow> remove the library and it will remove pretty much all of kde, outside of non de apps
[02:06] <JohnNash27892> anybody help me on enabling network on ibook g4 with ubuntu ?
[02:06] <CosmoDad> sorush20: use your backups. you have backups, right?
[02:06] <avagant> holycow: But if I do that, won't all the programs go bye bye?
[02:06] <holycow> sorush20, it probably wont boot
[02:07] <collier_> Hello, I just INSTALLED ACCT threw Synaptic, Now how do I access it, Like whats the commad in terminal?
[02:07] <holycow> avagant, only the programs as part of kde desktop and those that rely on the libraries
[02:07] <holycow> you can reinstall those later
[02:07] <sorush20> CosmoDad: no I don#t fuxk have back ups
[02:07] <holycow> i'm assuming you have gnome or some other de already installed and working however
[02:07] <jrib> collier_: type 'dpkg -L | grep bin'  that should help
[02:07] <simpla> collier_,  check out http://www.gnu.org/software/acct/manual/html_mono/accounting.html  according to it one of the commands is  'ac' without the quotes
[02:07] <avagant> I do.
[02:07] <jrib> collier_: type 'dpkg -L PACKAGE| grep bin'  that should help
[02:07] <CosmoDad> sorush20: I think your machine will boot anyways, some parts may not work, however
[02:07] <avagant> I'm running gnome and it's working like nothings wrong.
[02:08] <avagant> But in KDE all my stuff is very sluggish.
[02:08] <CosmoDad> sorush20: did you ever make changes to that file yourself?
[02:08] <holycow> sorush20, backup your /home dir, then reinstall
[02:08] <AngelShine> Hi?
[02:08] <blind> avagant: what are the computer specs?
[02:08] <avagant> blind: I really have no idea.
[02:08] <ruzgar> how can i post a new topic in ubuntuforums ?
[02:08] <CosmoDad> holycow: why you think his machine won't work anymore?
[02:08] <ruzgar> i am a member
[02:08] <theunruled> hii, i have a question ^^
[02:08] <ruzgar> of ubuntuforums
[02:08] <blind> ask it
[02:08] <sorush20> CosmoDad: no I didn#t
[02:08] <avagant> blind: I bought it off craigslist.
[02:08] <theunruled> blind: what kernel does centrino need?
[02:08] <zircx_> argh annoying, nice shots btw..
[02:08] <theunruled> 386 or 686
[02:08] <sorush20> holycow: I just have done a new reinstall
[02:08] <nexsa1> 386
[02:08] <avagant> blind: That's kind of why I have Ubuntu in the first place.
[02:08] <CosmoDad> sorush20: then boot from a ubuntu live cd, copy the /etc/modules file and restore it within your HD-booted Ubuntu
[02:09] <theunruled> nexal: oh okay =]  thanks
[02:09] <nexsa1> everything that is not 64 bit needs 386
[02:09] <holycow> CosmoDad, i'm suggesting a backup plan, and optional recovery that will work, i have no idea what will happen if he reboots.  however, he should backup /home BEFORE he even thinks about rebooting :)
[02:09] <sorush20> CosmoDad: is the live cd the same as the insall alternative cd now?
[02:09] <holycow> i hope that outlines it
[02:09] <nexsa1> nexsal! my name is wrong lol
[02:09] <nexsa1> there
[02:09] <nexsa1> nope
[02:09] <theunruled> nexsa1: sorry ^^;
[02:09] <CosmoDad> sorush20: not sure
[02:09] <nexsa1> lol
[02:09] <theunruled> i'm not used to tab yet
[02:09] <nexsa1> no worries my tupo
[02:10] <rylasasin> now how do I use flash 9 in linux firefox?
[02:10] <sorush20> is there a program that you can install that will prevent things ike this from happening.?
[02:10] <nexsa1> ok i need to smoke more crack today
[02:10] <simpla> blind, is that shots of the Xgl stuff?  Could I get the link too so I can have a look?
[02:10] <CosmoDad> holycow: /etc/modules just contains modules that should be loaded *explicitly*, that's all
[02:10] <AngelShine> Hi, I wanted to ask: where can I get the default /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? (I think I messed it up)
[02:10] <zircx> i see that suse, uses xen, does ubuntu allow for something similar?
[02:10] <ryanakca> another imagemagick question: I've got animate running smoothly, but a) '-loop 0' is an invalid option (even though it is documented at http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#loop ), and b) how do you export the animation... I can't seem to find a -export option...
[02:10] <blind> simpla, I'll PM you.
[02:10] <adam410> any ideas on how to modify DHCP setting from $?
[02:10] <avagant> Nobody is answering my questions in the other room. Haha
[02:10] <DrSpin> anyone wiling to assist with XFCE/wpa-psk ??
[02:10] <CosmoDad> sorush20: generally, you should be more careful when being root
[02:10] <holycow> CosmoDad, *nod* i was thinking that might prevent it from loading if he had some weird hardware ... you are probably correct
[02:10] <Centaur5> I understand that the 2.6 kernel dropped hardware support for old parts.  How old would a computer have to be to not work with Ubuntu?
[02:11] <nexsa1> f
[02:11] <CosmoDad> sorush20: how did you delete it?
[02:11] <blind> f indeed
[02:11] <holycow> Centaur5, commedore 64 i'm thinking?
[02:11] <avagant> Growl!
[02:11] <holycow> *cough*
[02:11] <AngelShine> Helloo!! Is there anybody non-busy for a video conf Q ?
[02:11] <holycow> oh i slay me
[02:11] <holycow> >_>
[02:11] <nexsa1> what the hell /nick doesn't work...
[02:11] <Centaur5> holycow: So a 233 or 450 mhz should work?
[02:11] <Dr_willis> Centaur5,  perhaps one with isa slots.. of course it depends on the specific parts.
[02:11] <nexsa1> any good irc clients for linux, other than gaim?
[02:11] <zircx> Centaur5 , absolutely
[02:11] <blind> nexsa1, xchat, irssi
[02:12] <holycow> usre, but you will need to use a very lightweight desktop environment on those
[02:12] <Dr_willis> Centaur5,  ubuntu runs on a Pent I  100 machine of mine
[02:12] <holycow> like xfce
[02:12] <nexsa1> blind: which one do you use?
[02:12] <sorush20> CosmoDad: tell it to my pinkie, just sudo rm /etc/modules
[02:12] <CosmoDad> sorush20: to prevent accidental deletion via shell, you can force certain commands like mv and rm to prompt back to you before doing dangerous things
[02:12] <nexsa1> linux runs on anything man
[02:12] <blind> nexsa1: irssi. but it's console based.
[02:12] <Centaur5> Okay, thanks.  I was just curious whether or not to bother installing Ubuntu on machines that old.
[02:12] <nexsa1> unlike windoze
[02:12] <AngelShine> Hi? (Again)
[02:12] <CosmoDad> sorush20: you're nuts to do something like that :)
[02:12] <Centaur5> Dr_willis: Wow, does it still perform decent?
[02:12] <thermionic> adam, you 'enable'; dhcp or you run a static IP, you don't have special dcp settings that the server sees, unless apple really broke dhcp
[02:12] <holycow> Centaur5, for file servers, webservers, firewalls sure
[02:12] <nexsa1> ok
[02:12] <holycow> i use lots of those kinds of machines for that
[02:12] <blind> Hi, AngelShine.
[02:12] <AngelShine> Hi! =)
[02:12] <rylasasin> guys, I downloaded an installed flash 9 (windows) using wine
[02:12] <holycow> infact those used to be very good desktops
[02:12] <AngelShine> Thank you !!
[02:12] <blind> AngelShine: what do you need
[02:12] <rylasasin> now how do I make it work?
[02:12] <Centaur5> holycow: I'm talking about a replacement for 98
[02:13] <zircx> yes i use to run slack 7.0 on a 233mhz and it run pretty good
[02:13] <Dr_willis> Centaur5,  i never said that. :P it did the console very well.. and  i installed some very very light window managers.. it did ok.
[02:13] <zircx> 256mb of ram..
[02:13] <holycow> you can install xfce desktop if you want, it will be pretty speedy and nice, you just haveto install the maximum amount of ram into those
[02:13] <zircx> if that..
[02:13] <thermionic> nobody here knows about the binutils issue with apt-mirror or debmirrotr then I guess
[02:13] <Dr_willis> Centaur5,  the Install took a few hrs. :(  1x cdrom
[02:13] <ryanakca> another imagemagick question: I've got animate running smoothly with 'animate -delay 20 *.png', but a) '-loop 0' is an invalid option (even though it is documented at http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#loop ), and b) how do you export the animation into an animated .gif or .png?... I can't seem to find a -export option... (or something similar)
[02:13] <AngelShine> I think I messed up my /etc/X11/org.conf and wnated to know how coudl I get it backl to the default one
[02:13] <CosmoDad> sorush20: what's pinkie? your dog? ;)
[02:13] <sorush20> CosmoDad: no me my pinkei small finger that likes to reach for the enter button..
[02:13] <Centaur5> Dr_willis: Ouch, sounds rather painful.  :)
[02:13] <holycow> which i'm guessing should be around 300 mb or so? that should be more than enough to even run open office once in a while from xfce
[02:13] <njal> !xgl
[02:13] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:13] <blind> AngelShine: did you make a backup? :]
[02:13] <AngelShine> I don't remember =(
[02:14] <holycow> !aiglx
[02:14] <ubotu> AIGLX ('Accelerated Indirect GLX') is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol.
[02:14] <AngelShine> the thing is
[02:14] <rylasasin> guys how do you make flash 9 work in linux firefox?
[02:14] <AngelShine> I messed with the conf a few days ago, and now I messed with it again
[02:14] <CosmoDad> sorush20: there're only two solutions: (1) ask someone else to be root for you or (2) DO BACKUPS
[02:14] <AngelShine> this time the X did not start
[02:14] <Centaur5> holycow: Okay, perhaps I'll give it a shot then with a different window manager.
[02:14] <CosmoDad> sorush20: those solutions written in capital letters are to be preferred :)
[02:14] <blind> AngelShine: you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to redo the whole thing
[02:14] <CaptainMorgan> has X-Chat's bottom tab feature been removed?
[02:14] <AngelShine> i got it back from a backup
[02:14] <bdragonmsl> anyone know of any good guides for getting xgl up and running?
[02:14] <blind> CaptainMorgan: not afaik
[02:14] <holycow> Centaur5, you don't loose much, its a good learning experience
[02:14] <dez> Yo
[02:14] <zircx> AngelShine , you should be able to run xorgconfig in a console and it should start you at the xorg configuration which will make a xorg.conf if it's been deleted
[02:14] <blind> bdragonmsl: try #ubuntu-xgl
[02:14] <nexsa1> Dr_Willis: how can i bypass xlibs again?
[02:14] <Dr_willis> bdragonmsl,  i found it best to not mess with xgl
[02:14] <bdragonmsl> thanks
[02:15] <CaptainMorgan> blind, it's set to bottom, yet it is not appearing at the bottom - rather to the left in a tree
[02:15] <Dr_willis> nexsa1,  i edited the .deb file following a forum/wiki link i found.
[02:15] <rylasasin> How do I use flash 9 on linux firefox?
[02:15] <Centaur5> holycow: Do you think customizing and stripping down the kernel will make a significant difference to be worth it?
[02:15] <AngelShine> @blind: so I should first delete it or just run that=
[02:15] <blind> CaptainMorgan: that's a separate option. set it to tabs and not tree.
[02:15] <Dr_willis> nexsa1,  or you can track down an old xlibs deb and install it
[02:15] <holycow> Centaur5, not at all
[02:15] <blind> AngelShine: just run that
[02:15] <dez> anyone know about s3 unichrome via?
[02:15] <AngelShine> great!
[02:15] <AngelShine> thank you!
[02:15] <holycow> Centaur5, there is no such thing as customizing a kernel on debian and its relatives
[02:15] <CaptainMorgan> blind, can you be specific? Im looking but I don' tsee it
[02:15] <holycow> those kernels are mostly modularized, the kernel loads only what it needs to
[02:16] <CaptainMorgan> blind, omg nevermind
[02:16] <holycow> that is to say the kernel configures it self
[02:16] <blind> CaptainMorgan: I'm not really sure. It's been a while since I've used X-Chat
[02:16] <CaptainMorgan> it's in view
[02:16] <blind> CaptainMorgan: lol :]
[02:16] <CaptainMorgan> not in preferences like I thought
[02:16] <holycow> you would really only need to configure a kernel under some specific workloads, like embedded applications
[02:16] <Centaur5> holycow: Really?  Well I guess I'll never waste my time doing that.  :)
[02:16] <holycow> indeed
[02:16] <holycow> do it only if you want to learn
[02:16] <holycow> if you wanna do something cool
[02:17] <CaptainMorgan> !ubotu mp3
[02:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:17] <holycow> install ubuntu full on any machine
[02:17] <holycow> then take the hd to any other machine and turn the power on
[02:17] <Centaur5> holycow: I guess it would save some disk space but that's all?
[02:17] <holycow> all you haveto make sure is that the hard drive is on the same part of the ide chain and channel
[02:17] <ryanakca> another imagemagick question: I've got animate running smoothly with 'animate -delay 20 *.png', but a) '-loop 0' is an invalid option (even though it is documented at http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#loop ), and b) how do you export the animation into an animated .gif or .png?... I can't seem to find a -export option... (or something similar)
[02:17] <holycow> Centaur5, few megs? why bother? you should have a 10 gig hd around a 233 might be able to see that
[02:18] <MissLady> anyone can help me please ? ... I installed Ubuntu on my HDD, my USB Cable Modem don't work but with Live CD it worked.
[02:18] <Centaur5> holycow: So you're saying that if you do a computer upgrade you won't have to do a repair install like with windows xp?
[02:18] <holycow> indeed, no point
[02:18] <holycow> apt just downlaods lattest packages
[02:18] <holycow> you only reboot if the kernel is updated
[02:18] <Centaur5> holycow: I mean, it rarely happens but sometimes a new mb will make xp need to be repaired.
[02:18] <sorush20> doing backups the very dynamic and prefared way is to hard..
[02:19] <holycow> Centaur5, not on linux or at least debian.  as everything is modular youthe kernel either has the drivers or they don't exist
[02:19] <Centaur5> holycow: The worst is when it won't let you login one freaking time afterwards cause it wants to be activated.
[02:19] <holycow> basicaly 98% of all hardware just works, plug and trully play
[02:19] <zircx> Centaur5 , kernel configurations are normally hardware specific, it just saves having a bloated kernel, which is relative to the boot process, it's not a major, you can actually configure and tweak your hardware once booted
[02:20] <holycow> Centaur5, kiss ms goodbye forever :) welcome to ubuntu.
[02:20] <holycow> as with any change there are things to learn and bumps to hit but you'll be fine
[02:20] <blind> zircx: did you get those screenshots?
[02:20] <zircx> blind , yes thankyou
[02:20] <rylasasin> HOW DO YOU USE FLASH 9 ON FIREFOX FOR LINUX?
[02:20] <Centaur5> holycow: Well I already have but I'm still learning.  I didn't know much about putting it on older machines as I have a core duo laptop that works great with it.
[02:20] <holycow> rylasasin, you don't the plugin doesn't exist yet
[02:20] <blind> rylasasin: install it with wine.
[02:21] <holycow> adobe is writing one
[02:21] <zircx> I said thanks earlier, but I must have pinged out prior to the message hitting the screen lol
[02:21] <blind> holycow: you can install it with wine >_>
[02:21] <holycow> rylasasin, welcome to the totally crappy world of proprietary software
[02:21] <simpla> Centaur5, what laptop did you are you using it on?
[02:21] <holycow> where you are at the mercy of  the software vendor
[02:21] <Centaur5> simpla: Sony VGN-SZ140P
[02:21] <holycow> what blind said yeah, that can maybe work but i refuse to run icky windows software on my boxen
[02:21] <holycow> >_>
[02:21] <rylasasin> I did install it with whine
[02:21] <ryan_> how do i install/enable 3d acceleration
[02:21] <rylasasin> but how do I use it (I want to veiw ytmnd in linux)
[02:22] <holycow> rylasasin, you need to install windows firefox on winve first
[02:22] <blind> mine worked right away
[02:22] <holycow> then install the windows version of the plugin
[02:22] <blind> holycow: no you don't
[02:22] <holycow> what?
[02:22] <blind> I have flash9 in my linux ff
[02:22] <Bird[OnLinux] > What command do I use to intall a program that I just downloaded?
[02:22] <holycow> since when does wine integrate into regular apps?
[02:22] <simpla> oh ok.  I ordered an Acer 5614, but couldn't find much info on it regarding if ubuntu picked all the hardware up.  I did find one forum post with some guy using it and said it ran fine.  Bout all he said.  So hoping it works fine on it.  Just waiting for it to be delivered :)
[02:22] <Centaur5> Thanks holycow for all the info
[02:22] <rylasasin> oh ok
[02:22] <holycow> Centaur5, no worries
[02:22] <blind> holycow: oh, maybe i used cxoffice
[02:22] <holycow> blind, of course you did
[02:22] <holycow> :)
[02:23] <zircx> I do run crossover which allows me to use the MS Office suite, that is somewhat of an advantage, especially when it comes to format and keeping the format between those documents, something that Open Office doesn't do
[02:23] <holycow> zircx, depends on your workload
[02:23] <holycow> in general if you are storing your documents in an editable format in ms office
[02:23] <holycow> thats just bad bad bad in so many ways its hard to describe
[02:23] <Centaur5> simpla: I would imagine that it will all work fine unless Acer put a broadcom wireless card in there.  Since it is a core duo they probably used the centrino 3945 wireless.
[02:24] <dewdude> is there anything special you have to do to get the menu on the server ISO that lets you choose LAMP install...because i know it's supposed to let you choose several options...but whenever i stick my CD in, after boot: pops up and hit enter..it goes right into standard install
[02:24] <holycow> if you haven't managed to convert to openoffice then okay, but its strongly urged to convert all docs to open office when you can ... that is a trully open and documented standard
[02:24] <holycow> and all formatting will be kept ... open office docs don't renumber them selves for example >_>
[02:24] <holycow> hehe
[02:24] <simpla> Centaur5, its spose to be in intel pro wireless
[02:24] <TheMoebius> I just installed edgy on my system and I have two video cards - both nvidia, but it only put one of them in xorg.conf. How can I get the PCI address of the other?
[02:24] <Centaur5> simpla: Is it the travel mate?
[02:25] <Bird[OnLinux] > What command do I use to install a file I just downloaded?
[02:25] <simpla> Centaur5, yep
[02:25] <blind> TheMoebius: lspci
[02:25] <holycow> TheMoebius, want my xorg.conf to check?
[02:25] <Dr_willis> TheMafia,  lspci has that option
[02:25] <CaptainMorgan> think I found a bug... I was trying different themes and I selected Resilience, now I can't open them selector anymore
[02:25] <CaptainMorgan> help?
[02:25] <avagant> Ok...whew I think I got everything.
[02:25] <TheMoebius> holycow: yeah, do you have multiple vid cards?
[02:25] <Centaur5> simpla: Err, I hate when Acer doesn't have the exact model # on their site.
[02:25] <CaptainMorgan> it opens for a split second then lcloses
[02:25] <holycow> oh shit ... TheMoebius i didn't read properly
[02:26] <holycow> \i have one dual
[02:26] <blind> holycow :O
[02:26] <simpla> Centaur5, lol yeah, i noticed that their site don't quite work with firefox either..  I think on their site its under a 5610
[02:26] <holycow> *eep* indeed, right i donno, sorry mate, that indeed is a tricky one
[02:26] <zircx> holycow; in the corporate world and enviroment, the majority of companies are using MS Applications, this is where linux use to faulter, because they didn't have anything that could compare, sure Openoffice is getting better, and I do use it all the time, but still, when you've got to take important documents which are in MS Office format it does become an issue
[02:26] <gnomefreak> holycow: again please watch your language
[02:26] <holycow> actually zircx your half right
[02:26] <zircx> it wouldn't be an issue if the majority of people out there were using Open office to start out with..
[02:26] <Centaur5> simpla: All I use is firefox and I go to their site every week.
[02:26] <holycow> we are converting 600 users to open office
[02:26] <blind> TheMoebius: use lspci
[02:26] <holycow> its as easy as pie if you have th eproper research and planning in place
[02:26] <dewdude> zircx, that'd make life easier, sadly MS OFfice was there first.
[02:27] <dewdude> and lots of organizations and people are leary when they hear the word "open"
[02:27] <simpla> Centaur5, oh ok.  I was having troubles with their site using firefox.  Its all I use aswell.  Must be just me
[02:27] <holycow> the side effect is that it streamlines and organizes your communication strategies and workflows
[02:27] <holycow> its surprisingly easy for us to tell all vendors and customers how to send us data and in what format
[02:27] <zircx> dewdude , yes that's unfortunately the reality at the moment..
[02:27] <CaptainMorgan> logging off, brb
[02:27] <Centaur5> simpla: What does it do or does it just not show certain things?
[02:27] <holycow> .doc IS NOT accepted here ... or wont be after we are done.
[02:27] <gnomefreak> holycow: please join #ubuntu-offtopic for that and keep this channel for support
[02:27] <Bird[OnLinux] > How do I change my default movie player from totem media player to something else?
[02:28] <jrib> ubotu: tell Bird[OnLinux]  about defaultapp
[02:28] <holycow> gnomefreak, if you are going to warn me, try spreading the love fairly and warn everyone
[02:28] <holycow> danke
[02:28] <holycow> so who else needs ubuntu help?
[02:28] <ryan_> how do i install/enable 3d acceleration
[02:28] <holycow> ryan_, depends on what vid card you have?
[02:28] <holycow> !ati
[02:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:28] <zircx> yes, i concur, spread the love evenly
[02:28] <holycow> !nvidia
[02:28] <keegan_> How long does it take you guys normally to encode video?
[02:28] <dewdude> yeah...why won't the menu pop up on the server install CD so i can install a LAMP server...it just jumps right to install after pressing enter at the boot: prompt
[02:28] <Bird[OnLinux] > jrib nothing happened what you typed that in.
[02:28] <collier_> Excuse me, I install CALC threw Synaptic Now how do I open it???????/
[02:28] <holycow> keegan_, dependson the size of the file mostly
[02:28] <ellioTb> man, 531megs to install KDE if i am already running ubuntu w/gnome?
[02:29] <blind> keegan_: depends on the size and your processor speed
[02:29] <simpla> Centaur5, i went to their build your own page, but the button on it doesnt work
[02:29] <holycow> and the kidn of hardware you have to throw at it
[02:29] <Bird[OnLinux] > jrib nothing happened when you typed that in.
[02:29] <gnomefreak> collier_: OO.o calc?
[02:29] <jrib> !defaultapp > Bird[OnLinux]
[02:29] <collier_> An Advanced calculator and mathematical tool
[02:29] <jrib> Bird[OnLinux] : did you get a private message now?
[02:29] <AngelShine> @blind: I just run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' like you said, it asked me a lot of questions which I am not sure of the answer... but the final outcome is very similar to my old conf file, I'll try reloading the X now... wish me luck :-)
[02:29] <keegan_> I'm in a P3 866 and its about 700MBs :(
[02:29] <collier_> Its under synaptic
[02:29] <collier_> how do  I open it?