[05:46] <AzureLight> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600]
[05:46] <AzureLight> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600]
[05:46] <T1m0thy> midgetnator: Hmm.. :/ That sucks..
[05:47] <T1m0thy> I've heard a lot of others with the same problem..
[05:47] <doorknob60> FoF ownz!!!!!
[05:47] <AzureLight> doorknob: How's FoF working?
[05:47] <doorknob60> awesome!
 you could almost go both ways on the driver, wither using the open "radeon" driver or going with the ATI one with teh page and a half long how to's
[05:47] <T1m0thy> FoF?
[05:47] <AzureLight> No lag?
[05:47] <doorknob60> no lag whatsoever
[05:47] <T1m0thy> Oh, nvm.
[05:47] <AzureLight> Damn, how did you do it?
[05:47] <T1m0thy> I had lag.
[05:47] <doorknob60> dload from sourceforge and run
[05:47] <doorknob60> thats irt
[05:47] <midgetnator> Hello guys ... ive been trying to find a solution for this issue and already tried google but nothing... i cannot play dvd's with totem (gstreamer) it says : "Could not open location, you might not have permission to open the file..." I already installed the libraries to play dvds and everything
[05:48] <AzureLight> Cubexombi: let me run the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg first
[05:48] <doorknob60> i even upped the res to 1024*768
[05:48] <doorknob60> and it works good
[05:48] <Cubexombi> AzureLight: you'd have to anyways
[05:48] <doorknob60> well time to play more songs
[05:48] <doorknob60> :D
[05:49] <midgetnator> hello who can assist me?
[05:49] <Nostahl> is dpkg ubuntu based?
[05:49] <Nostahl> or is it in debian too
[05:49] <Flannel> Nostahl: dpkg is debian based
[05:49] <midgetnator> ubuntu is debian based nostahl
[05:50] <Dekkard> midgetnator ask  first
[05:50] <midgetnator> Dekkar i already did
[05:50] <midgetnator> Hello guys ... ive been trying to find a solution for this issue and already tried google but nothing... i cannot play dvd's with totem (gstreamer) it says : "Could not open location, you might not have permission to open the file..." I already installed the libraries to play dvds and everything
[05:50] <Dekkard> ask the real question
[05:50] <midgetnator> yeah how can i play them
[05:50] <AzureLight> Cubexombi: Now, I ran the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in the Live CD
[05:50] <Nostahl> midgetnator i said you should try sudo
[05:50] <AzureLight> But does it work when I reboot my PC to run normally?
[05:51] <AzureLight> Or do I need to run it from recovery mode?
[05:51] <Dekkard> dont you need ffmpeg to do dvd.. and the dvdcss libs?
[05:51] <Cubexombi> AzureLight- nope.. you've gotta do it from the machien while "borked"
[05:51] <midgetnator> have them dekkard
[05:51] <AzureLight> borked?
[05:51] <Cubexombi> not working..
[05:51] <midgetnator> dekkard: already installed them
[05:51] <Dekkard> hmm
[05:51] <Dekkard> is it an original dvd.. or a burned one?
[05:51] <Nostahl> its mentioning permissions
[05:51] <|_ocke> should I try installing 7.10 64bit on a celeron 420 1.6ghz 64bit processor?
[05:51] <midgetnator> dekkard: burned
[05:51] <AzureLight> Wait... what exactly so I do?
[05:51] <Nostahl> you should try sudo to open the dvd program midgetnator
[05:52] <Dekkard> try an original
[05:52] <Cubexombi> when you're sitting at the craptastic broken x display, you can hit ctrl+alt+f2 and it should breing you to a console login
[05:52] <midgetnator> nostahl ill try it right now
[05:52] <Dekkard> ive found it wont recognize some burned dvds.. but will play real ones
[05:52] <AzureLight> I can't login to anything though
[05:52] <AzureLight> I can get to my login screen though, is that all I need?
[05:53] <Nostahl> omg its mcgyver
[05:53] <ayan> 1
[05:53] <ayan> 2
[05:53] <Nostahl> missed you why did you stop makin your show :P
[05:53] <ayan> 3
[05:53] <ayan> 4
[05:53] <ayan> 5
[05:53] <ayan> 6
[05:53] <ayan> 7
[05:53] <ayan> 8
[05:53] <ayan> 9
[05:53] <f10> osn
[05:53] <McGyver> #iosn
[05:53] <midgetnator> Dekkard not recognize burned ones?
[05:54] <Cubexombi> Azurelight any way you can get to a term is good, it should bring you to a terminal window though if you hit ctrl-alt-f2, otherwise when you restart the machine you can hit esc at grub and choose recovery mode
[05:54] <McGyver> # iosn
[05:54] <AzureLight> Alright, recovery mode it is
[05:54] <AzureLight> Since I know that I can access it
[05:54] <Dekkard> on my box it didnt recognize a ..erm... non original dvd
[05:54] <AzureLight> And this does remove the xgl stuff, right?
[05:54] <Dekkard> it will play originals though.. you know.. no green tint..
[05:54] <midgetnator> damn :(
[05:55] <Cubexombi> AzureLight- well it will take it's place, we can purge the old packages later
[05:55] <midgetnator> dekkard: i wont be able to watch porn then
[05:55] <midgetnator> hehe
[05:55] <AzureLight> Ok
[05:55] <AzureLight> Here goes nothing
[05:55] <ladynikon> will this work to as a launcher in ubuntu? "export CEDEGA_PATH=/home/ladynikon/.cedega2 && $CEDEGA_PATH/.updater/cedegaUpdateChecker -GAME EveOnline-linux"
[05:55] <AzureLight> At least I can count on the Live CD to get back here if it doesn't work ;)
[05:55] <Law506> how do you edit the startup programs.. i am not having luck with the sessions startup tab
[05:55] <Cubexombi> true
[05:56] <mky> #join #ischool
[05:56] <AzureLight> Wish me luck!
[05:56] <chalcedny> does anyone know what the latest vim is in ubuntu feisty?
[05:56] <Cubexombi> AzureLight - just in case you' get back in and I don't answer - I'm gone for a smoke.
[05:56] <bigmatt> need some help.  nobody's answering in #ubuntustudio but i am downloading the hardy release alpha1.  does anybody know if ubuntustudio had support for .divx?
[05:56] <portablejim> AzureLight: yea.
[05:56] <AzureLight> Haha, alright
[05:56] <Cubexombi> AzureLight - and good luck
[05:58] <chalcedny> does anyone know what the latest vim is in ubuntu feisty?
[05:59] <doorknob60> I <3 FoF
[05:59] <chalcedny> could anyone running feisty please do  vim --version | head -n 1  and tell me what the version number is?
[05:59] <bigmatt> chalcedny: try google yet?
[05:59] <doorknob60> VIM - Vi IMproved 7.1 (2007 May 12, compiled Oct  5 2007 00:33:19)
[06:00] <doorknob60> oh wait im on gusty :P
[06:00]  * chalcedny smiles
[06:00] <doorknob60> nvm
[06:00] <chalcedny> might be ok .. that's what i have too ;)
[06:01] <portablejim> chalcedny: try packages.ubuntu.com
[06:01] <Varka> chalcedny, http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/editors/vim
[06:01] <chalcedny> ty portablejim and Varka
[06:01] <chalcedny> i'm trying to debug vim
[06:02] <midgetnator> i like gutsy
[06:02] <sethk> chalcedny, what's vim doing that needs debugging?
[06:02] <seren6ipity> Hi. I've been trying to get Google Talk work with wine on ubuntu (gutsy) but every time I get "Connection Error" after giving credentials and the application hangs. I'm using the wine-dev version.
[06:03] <seren6ipity> Can anyone please help on this Gtalk issue?
[06:04] <skelter> hey all - having a strange issue with installing ubuntu (or any other linux) and soft raid, if anyone has the time and know-how to help me
[06:04] <portablejim> skelte: what is soft raid?
[06:04] <skelter> software raid
[06:05] <skelter> through the mobo chipset rather than a raid card
[06:05] <sethk> skelter, what problem are you having?
[06:05] <Varka> skelter, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[06:05] <clsu> im new here
[06:05] <angerbuntu> anyone care to help me solve my problem with DVD burning?  it keeps telling me to insert a blank or rewritable disc in
[06:05] <skelter> varka, thanks, but i'm having errors beyond that howto
[06:05] <FluxD> !w32codecs
[06:05] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:05] <angerbuntu> i have brand new discs,  and my system recognizes my drive
[06:06] <Jangari> what's this 'hardy'?
[06:06] <skelter> sethk, in the partition wizard, i try to make a raided set of disks, using three equally sized partitions on three disks in raid 5
[06:06] <AzureLight> Cubexombi, let me know if you are here
[06:06] <skelter> won't let me, says that i need 3 disks and only 1 is available
[06:06] <skelter> i see that it thinks the 2nd two disks are already being used for a raid, called md0
[06:07] <skelter> i try to delete it, and it tells me it's in use? this is in the install wizard, booted from a CD
[06:07] <Jangari> is a new release coming out sometime soon, codenamed hardy something?
[06:07] <portablejim> Jangari: it is the next version of ubuntu that is planned for release in April 2008.
[06:07] <seren6ipity> Hi. I'm trying to use Gtalk with wine on ubuntu(gutsy) but every time the application fails with "connection error" and hangs. Can any one please help me with this?
[06:07] <angerbuntu> anyone???
[06:07] <sethk> skelter, does mount show anything for the /dev corresponding to that drive?
[06:07] <AzureLight> Is there a way to format a USB drive?
[06:07] <angerbuntu> i cant burn DVDs for some reason :-/
[06:07] <skelter> sethk, i have no terminal to do fun things like mount
[06:07] <AzureLight> Because a lot of files are lacking permissiobs
[06:08] <AzureLight> *permissions
[06:08] <Jangari> nice, portablejim, hardy what?
[06:08] <sethk> skelter, sure you do, if you booted the live cd.
[06:08] <skelter> this is the alternate cd
[06:08] <clsu> i cant run dsmod on my server
[06:08] <Jangari> hardy hyena?
[06:08] <skelter> the live cd is having trouble
[06:08] <skelter> possibly related to this issue, possibly not
[06:08] <portablejim> Jangari: Hardy Herron
[06:08] <clsu> hey
[06:08] <sethk> skelter, what I've done in your situation is to use a conventional partition for the installation, get the core system up and running (which doesn't take a whole lot of space), then set up raid before installing the various packages I need.
[06:08] <Jangari> aha
[06:08] <Varka> skelter, it seems you never read that howto...
[06:09] <skelter> varka, yes i have read the howto
[06:09] <AzureLight> Using GPARTED, can I reformat a USB drive?
[06:09] <clsu> kill linux
[06:09] <skelter> varka i get to the point where it says to do "sudu dmraid -ay"
[06:09] <AzureLight> I can get in in there but I can't see anyway to delete the current partition
[06:09] <AzureLight> or make a new one
[06:10] <portablejim> Jangari: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[06:10] <skelter> and then there is an issue with the raid45 driver not existing (raid456 replaced it in the new kernel)
[06:10] <skelter> but that is neither here nor there
[06:10] <skelter> sethk, i did that, and when i finish and reboot, grub screws up
[06:10] <skelter> in stage 1.5
[06:10] <skelter> grub error 2
[06:10] <sethk> skelter, sounds like you have more than one issue here.
[06:10] <skelter> a web search suggested reinstalling :\
[06:11] <Jangari> a real question then: i was told to use smbmount //server/share /mountpoint -o username=me to mount a server, but it's throwing up 'smbmount command does not exist'
[06:11] <sethk> let me check on what grub error two means.
[06:11] <skelter> sethk, yes, but i am pretty sure they're all related to the partitioning and messing up my raid settings
[06:11] <skelter> the motherboard chipset has a raid utility which i have fiddled with
[06:11] <jiawen> Can I ask a question about the Openoffice/theme bug here?
[06:11] <sethk> skelter, no, if you have a conventional partition, no matter what raid is doing, grub should be happy.
[06:11] <hiuo> p[i
[06:12] <sethk> skelter, of course a bug can invalidate logic, but that's still a good bet
[06:12] <bigmatt> wow...this is taking forever to move my 165 gigs of stuff....grrr
[06:12] <skelter> sethk, well, it finished installing cleanly on the first hard disk, then i get that error 2
[06:12] <bigmatt> ntfs support is right away, right?  i dont have to install ntfs-3g?
[06:13] <sethk> skelter, the docs say that error 2 is caused by a configuration problem.  Can you put your menu.lst on the pastebin?
[06:13] <sethk> bigmatt, you don't need it for read only access
[06:13] <bigmatt> sethk: i need read and write for it
[06:14] <skelter> sethk, this is remote debugging at the moment. i left campus a little while ago
[06:14] <skelter> sethk, how would i access menu.lst?
[06:14] <sethk> skelter, hard to do much, then.
[06:14] <sethk> skelter, it's in /boot/grub
[06:15] <skelter> sethk, the livecd isn't starting, so it's difficult to look at such things
[06:15] <sethk> skelter, if you can't boot, you have to boot the install cd in it's rescue incarnation
[06:15] <filmgeek> chown problems with an hfs+ drive that's not journaled.  noob needs help.
[06:15] <sethk> skelter, wait, the _live_ cd isn't starting?
[06:15] <skelter> that's right
[06:15] <skelter> it has started in the past
[06:15] <skelter> but no longer :<
[06:16] <skelter> in the past being the past two days, since this is a new box
[06:16] <tarelerulz> How do you tell what is installed on your system.  There are a lot of program and libs. I remember Ubuntu 7.04 have something that showed you what you had installed is there anything like that for Ubuntu 7.10.
[06:16] <Cubexombi> AzureLight - man it is snowing really had out there..
[06:16] <sethk> skelter, you have some sort of hardware problem.  Nothing at the software level can stop it from booting from the CD
[06:16] <skelter> i am pretty sure the problem lies in the motherboard settings somewhere
[06:17] <skelter> for instance, when i first tried to run the live cd, nothing would happen. eventually i foudn i could disable the splash screen by changing splash to nosplash in the boot command
[06:17] <filmgeek> An external HD won't let me read/write to it.  I've tried chown, but it's not working
[06:17] <clsu> linux sucks
[06:17] <JohnRobert> heh
[06:17] <skelter> then that would hang too, until i enabled the raid controllers in the bios setup
[06:17] <sethk> clsu, really?  That's so enlightening, I never knew that.
[06:17] <JohnRobert> it does tbh, it just doesn't suck as much as windows
[06:17] <skelter> so for a while i was ablet o boot off the live cd fine
[06:18] <sethk> skelter, It may make sense to try the text mode install from the alternate cd.  There are too many variables here.
[06:18] <JohnRobert> I've been using linux as my only OS for about 6 years now
[06:18] <skelter> sethk, that is the kind of install that i did that worked
[06:18] <sethk> skelter, if it were a mother board or bios setting, why would it ever work?
[06:18] <skelter> sethk, but then grub had issues
[06:18] <JohnRobert> and there's a shi* load wrong with it...but it's still far better than windows
[06:18] <sethk> skelter, the grub issues can be fixed.
[06:18] <clsu> solaris is the best
[06:18] <JohnRobert> solaris isn't free
[06:19] <skelter> sethk, except my computer stopped liking the live cd...
[06:19] <Cubexombi> AzureLight - you back to halfway to normal?
[06:19] <sethk> clsu, I've used solaris for many years, and it has some definite strengths, but it also has weeknesses.
[06:19] <tarelerulz> johnRobert, what do you use Linux for ?  What do you do mainly with it? just asking
[06:19] <Jangari> grr, sometimes apt-get install fails to download while the synaptic package manager does it perfectly
[06:19] <Cubexombi> primus sucks
[06:19] <JohnRobert> tarelerulz: I use it as my desktop OS for work/play/whatever
[06:19] <sethk> skelter, download the fedora rescue cd
[06:19] <JohnRobert> therefore I use it all the time
[06:19] <skelter> ah good point, i have the fedora cd that can do rescue mode
[06:19] <JohnRobert> therefore I notice the bugs :p
[06:20] <skelter> so i can get menu.lst
[06:20] <sethk> JohnRobert, I just started a new job which is 100% linux, so I'm free of windows, even for email.  To me that's great.
[06:20] <JohnRobert> what's really worrying is ubuntu is becoming bloatware at the moment
[06:20] <sethk> skelter, yes, exactly
[06:20] <skelter> sethk, are you going to be around for a while? i don't want to keep you away from life
[06:20] <sethk> JohnRobert, true, but there are other distros that are more oriented to being light weight.
[06:20] <skelter> sethk, but if you were going to be here for a while i'd go back to campus (5 min drive) to try to deal with this
[06:21] <JohnRobert> sethk: I like ubuntu though, and it seems like my poor old laptop can't keep up any more :/
[06:21] <prozacmas> hi
[06:21] <sethk> skelter, I can wait a bit, but I'm starting to fade, and I think I'll be only semiconscious in about 1/2 hour.
[06:21] <prozacmas> im excited....
[06:21] <JohnRobert> and I don't like xfce :p
[06:21] <prozacmas> im installing gibbons on my macbook
[06:21] <sethk> skelter, probably makes more sense to look at it tomorrow.
[06:21] <skelter> alright
[06:21] <skelter> thanks for your help
[06:21] <sethk> JohnRobert, you can do a stripped down install and be selective in the packages you run.
[06:21] <sethk> JohnRobert, and run windowmaker.
[06:22] <tarelerulz> The reason I ask is most use it for more technical stuff.  They write code , do web servers and so on. I use it  for playing/hobbie and day to day OS. trying to get every I want in an os. Still working on that haha.  Most what i do is surf the web, download movies ,music and look around for a new program i can install
[06:22] <sethk> JohnRobert, on one box, kde comes up in 26 seconds, and windowmaker comes up in three seconds.
[06:22] <bigmatt> JohnRobert: me neither, ur not the only one
[06:22] <Cubexombi> JohnRobert: I'd almost agree with you there, though i remember having to install all sorts of  apps after thumbing through god knows how many broken or old how to's .. I'll settl efor a little bloat so long as I can take my Os with me on a 1gb thumbstick
[06:22] <JohnRobert> sethk: you reckon it's metacity at fault?
[06:23] <sethk> JohnRobert, well, I'm really just guessing, of course, but it's certainly a possibility and it's pretty easy to find out.
[06:23] <JohnRobert> heh
[06:23] <Znuff> Hi. Anyone has experience with broadcom 43xx? Followed the instructions on the wiki but it still doesn't work. It connects to my Access Point but it doesn't get a DHCP Lease. Even tried to set the IPs manually but it still won't work. Also the "driver" seems to be crashing now and then...
[06:23] <JohnRobert> I think Xorg could be optimised somehow
[06:23] <tarelerulz> Cubexombi , You take your os with you on a thubmstrick ?  How has that been working out for you ?
[06:24] <JohnRobert> when I first got this laptop, it had windows on it...windows moved around the screen smother in windows than they ever have on linux
[06:24] <sethk> JohnRobert, certainly possible.  Running window maker would let you decide that (1) it's not really the window manager, it's X or (2) it's not really X, it's the window manager or (3) both contribute.
[06:24] <JohnRobert> I don't like the way people tiptoe around that fact
[06:24] <JohnRobert> :/
[06:24] <JohnRobert> it's probably X
[06:24] <sethk> JohnRobert, that's an issue with linux, yes.
[06:25] <JohnRobert> yeah I read about that
[06:25] <sethk> JohnRobert, OSX is as much better than windows, as windows is better than X
[06:25] <Znuff> my compiz stuff runs very fast, btw
[06:25] <JohnRobert> technically it's better this way apparently
[06:25] <prozacmas> has anyone here installed ubuntu on their mac ?
[06:25] <sethk> JohnRobert, it's a trade off.  Effects consume significant resources.
[06:25] <JohnRobert> heh
[06:25] <JohnRobert> I don't have compiz on or anything silly like that
[06:25] <JohnRobert> :p
[06:25] <bigmatt> the only way to run windows xp is to have the Longhorn Transformation Pack installed along with it.  the GUI looks much better (better themes_
[06:25] <JohnRobert> anyway
[06:26] <Znuff> And I only have an Intel GMA 915 on my laptop. Windows move extremly smooth.
[06:26] <JohnRobert> beter than my i810 Znuff
[06:26] <Znuff> Oh jesus, how old is that?
[06:26] <mybestlover> hello
[06:26] <JohnRobert> 3 years?
[06:26] <JohnRobert> I bought a bottom of the range model
[06:26] <JohnRobert> probably where I went wrong
[06:26] <mybestlover> 有汉语吗
[06:26] <Cubexombi> tarelerulz- pretty good actually, I've got one stick that just a plain feisty live CD with persistance, every now and then I have to remove a locked X file, (when I switch from hardware to hardware) but at work all my workstations are the same. (persistant live mode rules) my other stick is a reconstructed build that has cisco VPN built in so I can connect to work from what ever hardware has a compatible ethernet card... not to mention the bonus geek p
[06:26] <Cubexombi> oints it gives.
[06:26] <Znuff> JohnRobert, uhm... my laptop is 3 years old and it has gma 915
[06:26] <JohnRobert> (ibm r50e)
[06:27] <Znuff> But my laptop is currently in broken state :-( Got ACPI problems.
[06:27] <speeddemon8803> I have an intel 945GM graphics card, compiz works great on it, no problems at all :)
[06:27] <Znuff> I'll get a new laptop soon with X3100 from Intel
[06:27] <sethk> Cubexombi, oints?   :)   (max line length)
[06:28] <prozacmas> has anyone here installed ubuntu on their mac ?
[06:28] <sethk> Znuff, if the laptop has acpi, it has acpi problems.  :)
[06:28] <sethk> prozacmas, which mac?
[06:28] <TTilus> prozacmas: i havent but i happen to know people who have
 whoops - geek points. I mean really OS on a stick.
[06:28] <tarelerulz> Cubexomobi, that sounds pretty cool.  I would like to try that out myself.  I don't want to use it as an os ,but use the usb thumbstick as an install media .  Rather then  burning cd all the time. I mean thumbsticks are getting  big. the last I saw was 8 gigs
[06:29] <TTilus> prozacmas: on powerbook
[06:29] <sethk> Cubexombi, I know, I'm just giving you a hard time to keep myself awake.  :)
[06:29] <jiawen> youderenyou
[06:29] <prozacmas> sethk macbook or macbook pro
[06:29] <Znuff> sethk, heh, all computer have acpi now, you know? :P
 don't blame you..
[06:29] <sethk> tarelerulz, I saw a 32 gig on Friday.   When I want to restore it, how do I delete all files before it is untared?
[06:30] <sethk> prozacmas, I've only done it on a G3/G4.
[06:30]  * speeddemon8803 looks at my 4 gig and cries
[06:30] <skelter> with compiz fusion my taskbar randomly freezes :\
[06:30] <Znuff> sethk, it just started to randomly reset yesterday. Vista and/or XP would randomly crash whenever I touched it. Linux was hanging... Tried acpi=off and now it seems stable.
[06:30] <sethk> tarelerulz, I think it was about $450.  Which is of course very high, but prices come down quickly.
[06:30] <skelter> i liked beryl better
[06:30] <sethk> Znuff, sounds like an interrupt race condition.
[06:30] <AzureLight> Cubexombi, you back yet?
[06:31] <Cubexombi> tarelerulz - yup. it's perfect, so long as you can boot and have USB 2.0, (my laptop's only got usb1.1 and .. well don't even bother going there.. )
[06:31] <AzureLight> Yay
[06:31] <AzureLight> You are
[06:31] <Znuff> sethk, yeah but.. just like that out of the blue?
[06:31] <sethk> Znuff, if you can do without acpi (which probably means you don't run on battery), then there isn't a problem.
[06:31] <Cubexombi> AzureLight - you back to halfway to normal?
[06:31] <AzureLight> Nope
[06:31] <AzureLight> It didn't work
[06:31] <Cubexombi> where you stuck?
[06:31] <sethk> Znuff, race conditions are notorious for hiding out for a long time, even years, and then appearing.  Something ages, responds just a nanosecond earlier or later, and boom.
[06:31] <AzureLight> I think it's a Nautilus error
[06:31] <sethk> Znuff, or crosstalk develops
[06:32] <sethk> Znuff, it's odd, but it does happen occasionally.
[06:32] <tarelerulz>  I still dream of the day I can use an usb  thumb-stick as a install medium .  I am not dreaming am I ?
[06:32] <AzureLight> Either way, I've already began backing up files
[06:32] <speeddemon8803> Could also be a possibility when things like static electicity come into play as well right sethk?
[06:32] <Cubexombi> well here// do this.. get to the login in screen and choos failsafe xterm - (bottom Left of teh login window)
[06:32] <AzureLight> But permissions are a bitch :(
[06:32] <gerro> tarelerulz: umm why can't you use a usb stick?
[06:32] <andry_good> where do I go to get help with configuring lirc in macmini?
[06:32] <AzureLight> I have a modded login window
[06:32] <AzureLight> So it's not there XD
[06:32] <sethk> speeddemon8803, indeed, you can have something that was exposed to static show up with a problem long after the actual incident.
[06:33] <Znuff> sethk, yeah, but mine usually reboots only when I touch it :P
[06:33] <speeddemon8803> <---computer tech..know ALL about that crap
[06:33] <speeddemon8803> lol
[06:33] <gerro> I switched gdm to slim but now I can't figure out how to switch it back...
 I can find you the how to
[06:33] <SpookyET> I created a tar.gaz backup of my entire linux system. When I want to restore it, how do I delete all files before it is untared?
[06:33] <sethk> speeddemon8803, there are some great microscope photos you can find on the net showing the kind of degradation that happens.
[06:33] <Znuff> sethk, if I don't touch it - it runs perfectly for days
[06:33] <tarelerulz> Gerro, I have try to find something on it ,but all the stuff is for Using the usb thumb-stick as a os houseing .  Not an install mediem.
 fun Times!
[06:33] <speeddemon8803> seth, I've seen them, I've even had it happen to me so I know what it can do
[06:33] <sethk> Znuff, well, then, don't touch it and you won't have any problems.  Ssh into it from another machine.  :)
[06:33] <AzureLight> Yeah, I'm just gonna wipe my hd clean
[06:33] <speeddemon8803> I've had MELTED chips b4 because of static electricity
[06:33] <AzureLight> And start from scratch
[06:33] <gerro> tarelerulz: what do you want it to do?
[06:33] <Znuff> sethk, I *do* need to do stuff on it :P
[06:34] <sethk> speeddemon8803, you don't really need the photos, but I find them interesting.
 with the liove CD it's the same thing
[06:34] <tarelerulz> Cubexombi , for using a usb  thumbstrick as an install mediem
[06:34] <speeddemon8803> oh, they are very intersting seth :)
[06:34] <Znuff> sethk, I was thinking to run Windows in VMWare now :-/ I need Windows stuff but I can't run it
[06:34] <sethk> Znuff, well, that's not very reasonable.  You want to actually be able to use it?  :)
 yup
[06:34] <AzureLight> What directory are Thunderbirds stuff kept in?
 x can't be that broiken..
[06:34] <sethk> Znuff, vmware on an already flaky machine is often a recipe for producing suicidal ideation.
[06:34] <Znuff> sethk, I can't do DTP over a network connection :D
[06:34] <speeddemon8803> I saw a chip on the internet one day, dripping....
[06:34] <AzureLight> I don't think it's X though
[06:34] <tarelerulz> Well,  Cubexombi post  way
[06:35] <sethk> Znuff, details, details, don't confuse me with facts.
[06:35] <tarelerulz> I will read it for sure
[06:35] <Znuff> sethk, planning to buy a HP Compaq 6720s now... Decent specs and pretty good price.
[06:35] <gerro> tarelerulz: hmm you mean like install ubuntu to usb then use gparted livecd to image the hard drive for near instant install?
[06:35] <sethk> speeddemon8803, the sweet smell of burning silicon ...
[06:35] <AzureLight> Because I did have the Nautilus crash
[06:35] <sethk> Znuff, I hate the keyboard
[06:35] <Znuff> sethk, why is that?
[06:35] <sethk> Znuff, many of the compaq/hps I've seen have only one alt key
[06:35] <AzureLight> I don't mind reformatting and whatnot
[06:35] <AzureLight> It's almost 2AM here
[06:35] <sethk> Znuff, and other stuff in the wrong place.  Murder if you are a touch typist.
 nah my gnome crashed when my xorg rubbed it the wrong way too
[06:36] <Znuff> sethk, uh, I didn't check the pics.
[06:36] <AzureLight> Eh
[06:36] <sethk> Znuff, I would.
[06:36] <Cubexombi> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:36] <tarelerulz> I mean I try to find stuff on it ,but never found anything .  I mean I felt like I can't be the only one thinking of use an USB thumbstick as an installing mediem .  They are big enough  now . You could put something like SUSE if you wanted too.
[06:36] <Cubexombi> you should still have the working copy there
[06:36] <sethk> Znuff, I think the IBM (or whatever the IBM laptops are called nowadays) has the best keyboard, and I love the mouse stick.
[06:36] <AzureLight> Welltrue
[06:36] <prozacmas> i installed ubuntu and after the initial menu it says starting ubuntu but then the screen goes blank. can anyone help me out ?
[06:36] <AzureLight> But if that doesn't work, I'm wiping my HD :D
[06:36] <speeddemon8803> tare, I've got a 120GB portable hd
[06:37] <sethk> Znuff, but there are many good ones with a proper keyboard layout.  The "proper" layout is one where it is never necessary to press two keys with the same hand.
[06:37] <AzureLight> Becasue I want a Windows Partition anyways
[06:37] <tarelerulz> What I mean is to use The USB thumbstick like you would an install CD
[06:37] <sethk> Znuff, well, with fingers from the same hand.  :)
[06:37] <Znuff> sethk, I hate the clit now. I used to like it but I prefer some acceleration on my touchpad :-). Seems the model I picked has AltGr too.
[06:37] <nickrud> prozacmas, does the hard drive continue running, and how long did you give the blank screen?
[06:37] <sethk> Znuff, many boxes these days have both the stick and touchpad
[06:37] <skelter> prozacmas, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=121819
[06:37] <Cubexombi> <tarelerulz all the standard methods will do the trick as long as you use the actual live CD/iso to do it. the live desktop will still have the install application sitting on the desktop.
[06:37] <Znuff> sethk, I have an old HP Compaq nc6220 now. Got pretty used to the keyboard
[06:38] <Znuff> sethk, mine has it too... But I can't really use it. I find it too strange now that I've got used to a touchpad.
[06:38] <AzureLight> Alright, does anyone have a link to a site that has all the instructions I'll need to dual boot XP and Ubuntu from absolutely nothing?
 true nuff, you said you wanted to get a little bit of gaming down too anyway.
[06:38] <Znuff> sethk, seems VERY slow
[06:38] <sethk> Znuff, but that's really just a matter of preference.  The keyboard layout comment is based on facts (statistics about typing speed and error rates).
[06:38] <nickrud> oh, sethk that's perverse, I remap the ctl key to the caps lock just so I can use two fingers on one hand
[06:38] <Znuff> AzureLight, install XP, then install Ubuntu.
[06:38] <sethk> Znuff, what seems slow, the stick?
[06:38] <Cubexombi> <AzureLight ^-- that
[06:38] <Znuff> sethk, yup. Like no acceleration whatsoever
[06:39] <AzureLight> Alright, now how do I go about wiping my HD with Windows?
[06:39] <Cubexombi> just make sure to partition enough space to install ubuntu
[06:39] <tarelerulz> Cubexombi , you Saying put the live cd iso on an usb thumbstrick and trick it into think the usb thumb strick is a live cd and use it for the installer
[06:39] <AzureLight> Does the Live CD have something to partition?
[06:39] <sethk> Znuff, might be a configuration issue.  Mostly I plug in a mouse, unless I'm on an airplane or some other awful place.
[06:39] <Znuff> sethk, also, when I used to use a stick, my fingers/hands would hurt from too much clicking. On a touchpad I don't feel that pain anymore.
[06:39] <sethk> Znuff, indeed, if it's more comfortable for you, stick with it (if you'll excuse the expression)  :)
[06:39] <andry_good> macmini anyone?
[06:39] <AzureLight> I have a Gparted live cd
[06:40] <Cubexombi> <tarelerulz pretty much.. yes... it's a little confusing .. gimme a sec and I'll find you the how to
[06:40] <Znuff> now... if I could only figure out how the hell to make my wireless card work :-/
[06:40] <AzureLight> Should I just format from my Gparted Live CD and then make my partitions from there?
[06:40] <nickrud> AzureLight, sure that would work fine
[06:40] <AzureLight> Better yet, is there a site with detailed instructions?
[06:41] <Cubexombi> <tarelerulz http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/
[06:41] <AzureLight> Because I'm known to mess even the simplest things up
[06:41] <AzureLight> Like the partition positions and whatnot
[06:41] <Znuff> AzureLight, I'll sumarize the instructions: create 1 partition of whatever size you want for linux. Then another one for Windows. Then create a small one for swap.
[06:41] <AzureLight> Linux one first?
[06:41] <sethk> AzureLight, you said you don't mind the risk of having to reinstall, so, sure, give that a try (gparted, that is)
[06:41] <nickrud> Znuff, shouldn't it be windows first?
[06:41] <sethk> AzureLight, windows first
[06:41] <AzureLight> Ok
[06:42] <Znuff> AzureLight, or better yet: 1st partition, /boot - 200MB, 2nd partition Windows, 3rd partition Linux, 4th partition swap
[06:42] <sethk> nickrud, right.  I've seen boxes where windows refuses to boot from anything other than the first partition.
[06:42] <AzureLight> ext3 for linux?
[06:42] <sethk> AzureLight, yes, ext3
[06:42] <nickrud> sethk, yes, me also
[06:42] <Znuff> AzureLight, also, make SURE you create them all PRIMARY partitions.
[06:42] <AzureLight> now... what about the /dev/sda1 and stuff?
[06:42] <Znuff> sethk, windows needs a primary partition. Won't boot/install without it.
[06:42] <DragonSpirit> For those who contribute to Ubuntu, thank you
[06:42] <sethk> nickrud, right, and since linux doesn't have that bug, just let windows be it's usual piggish self.  :)
[06:43] <Znuff> sethk, also, Windows allows only 4 primary partitions on a disk.
[06:43] <sethk> Znuff, indeed, that's true, but what does it have to do with this question?
[06:43] <nickrud> AzureLight, sda is the first drive, and sda1 is the first partition of the first drive
[06:43] <Znuff> AzureLight, don't bother.
[06:43] <Znuff> sethk, you said you've seen stuff that won't boot :P
[06:43] <sethk> Znuff, the MBR specs allow only four partitions.  Has nothing to do with windows, specifically
[06:43] <AzureLight> So set a boot to 1st, windows to second, linux to third and swap as last?
[06:43] <sethk> Znuff, yes, but I'm not quite dumb enough to put windows on an extended.  :)
[06:44] <Znuff> sethk, well, yeah, but only windows crashes if you feed it more than 4 primary. Linux and others dont' care/mind
[06:44] <sethk> Znuff, in fact, I see no reason to ever use extended partitions on modern machines.  Problems relating to large partition sizes were solved long ago.
[06:44] <goldphish> So I'm trying to build the tp_smapi module but I get this "/bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: not found". What does that mean?
[06:44] <nickrud> AzureLight, no, windows on 1 , linux on 2 , swap on 3 , create extended partition(4), then home on 5
[06:44] <Znuff> sethk, haven't used one in ages
[06:44] <Znuff> nickrud, dude, let the man have a /boot
[06:44] <nickrud> Znuff, why these days? we're not using lilo
[06:45] <sethk> Znuff, indeed, that's quite true.  In fact it's similar to what I said; to wit, windows is bitchy, so give it the first primary and put linux after that, since linux boot properly.
[06:45] <AzureLight> Someone wanna type this up so I can print it off? XD
[06:45] <tarelerulz> Well, thanks Cubexombi, iy  would be nice to have an os on thumbstick and having the option to install it to the computer you have it plugged into
[06:45] <r3n0c> is tehre a way to use my webcam as a login for ubuntu 7.10?
[06:45] <sethk> Znuff, but, what can you expect, windows has only been around for 20 years or so and you can't expect them to fix things more quickly than that, can you?  :)
[06:45] <r3n0c> it would be kinda sick if my laptop required the webcam and fingerprint scanner to allow login
 it comes in handy thats for sure, plus boots a little quicker too
[06:45] <sethk> r3n0c, not sure what you mean by that.
[06:45] <nickrud> it's conquering by refusal to coexist
[06:45] <sethk> r3n0c, fingerprint scanner makes sense.    I haven't seen the camera login, but believe it or not there are lots of things that exist that I haven't seen.  :)
[06:46] <skelter> reinstall the OS
[06:46] <r3n0c> Znuff, lol well it shouldn't have to match the whole face
 it's all fun and games untill you wake up one day with "hang over face" and want to login..
[06:46] <r3n0c> sethk, yeah, i got the fingerprint to work
[06:47] <soldats> i believe it
[06:47] <Znuff> r3n0c, no really, face recognition is kind of stupid.
[06:47] <sethk> skelter, hey, that's why windows help is so easy, the answer to every question is reinstall the os.
[06:47] <r3n0c> Cubexombi,  it is just that i saw it for windows, working
[06:47] <Znuff> r3n0c, now... EYE IRIS SCAN - that would be sick ^^
[06:47] <tarelerulz>  Cubexombi, I have all thought it might be an cool idea . I mean I really do belive it is all data and you should not need a cd . I mean we live in the age of  rewritble  media that is big enough  why not use it.  Plus the nerd factor is there too haha
[06:47] <sethk> Znuff, I wouldn't say it's stupid
[06:47] <nickrud> lol, I'm about to reinstall windows to fix crap
[06:47] <r3n0c> Znuff, lol well yeah, but i thikn an iris scanner is a bit more expensive then my 1.3m webcam
[06:47] <Znuff> sethk, untill you find yourself not being able to login :)
[06:47] <sethk> Znuff, use the fingerprint for authentication, use the photo simply to figure out who is logging in, not to prove that it's really that person.
[06:48] <r3n0c> yeah that could work too
[06:48] <sethk> Znuff, I could find a way to log in, and you could as well.  :)
[06:48] <AzureLight> Alright, so final conclusions on how I should go about with my dual booting?
[06:48] <Znuff> sethk, but not average joe :-)
[06:48] <prozacmas> has anyone installed ubuntu on a aes256 encrypted partition
[06:48] <r3n0c> well yeah, but the point is that it is cool, not that it isn't easy to bypass
[06:48] <AzureLight> Windows needs to be first
[06:48] <AzureLight> And should I have the /boot?
[06:48] <Eagle-101> AzureLight, its easy :)
[06:48] <wariola> hi. anyone here know how to install zope 2.10 on gutsy server?
[06:48] <sethk> Znuff, seriously, though, nothing to stop you from having one conventional login and the rest photo logins.
[06:48] <r3n0c> lol
[06:49] <tarelerulz>  Cubexombi, looking for sure I found that Ubuntu made an windows installer for Ubuntu. I thought that was very cool.  really getting Ubuntu to the widest about of people.  For those who might want to try out Linux ,  fear  repartitioning thier card drive . I mean it keep me for Linux for while
[06:49] <Eagle-101> put liveCD in, make sure to custom partition the disk, first shrink windows portion, then add a swap partition and a ext3 partition.
[06:49] <Znuff> 02:04.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) <-- I've got the president's wireless card!!!
[06:49] <Eagle-101> Znuff, heh, same card I have
[06:49] <r3n0c> www.bannanasecurity.com
[06:49] <Znuff> Eagle-101, does it work for you? :-/
[06:49] <sethk> Znuff, I saw a bus parked here the other day, called "ground force one" and painted up like AF1.  :)
[06:50] <r3n0c> they have it for windows :(
[06:50] <Znuff> sethk, cool :P
[06:50] <Eagle-101> Znuff, yep, both on ubuntu (automatic) and gentoo, (I manually configured it)
[06:50] <tarelerulz>  Znuff , I would look at ndiswrapper site
[06:50] <Znuff> Eagle-101, doesn't work for me :-/
[06:50] <Eagle-101> dunno what ubuntu does, but with gentoo you have to compile in a kernel module for it
[06:50] <AzureLight> There needs to be something like that Ubuntu thing for Windows, but a Windows thing for Ubuntu!
[06:51] <AzureLight> So that you can run it right off of your Ubuntu install
[06:51] <Eagle-101> Znuff, alright, hang on a moment let me get my settings for you
[06:51] <Znuff> Eagle-101, please.
[06:51] <AzureLight> So /boot partition or not?
[06:51] <Znuff> tarelerulz, guess that would be my almost-last solution.
[06:51] <AzureLight> What are the advantages?
[06:51] <r3n0c> argh i'm out, got finals this week
[06:52] <sethk> AzureLight, I see no real advantage to a separate boot partition.
[06:52] <Znuff> AzureLight, how big is your disk?
[06:52] <AzureLight> 250GB
[06:52] <sethk> AzureLight, I haven't used one in about 10 years.
[06:52] <mosno> sethk: i use a separate boot so my grub.conf is more protected
[06:52] <Znuff> AzureLight, does it show up as 250GB in your BIOS?
[06:52] <Eagle-101> tarelerulz, no need for ndswrapper
[06:52] <AzureLight> Yeah, a bit less
[06:52] <larrywells> I am adding a printer from the network through Samba
[06:52] <sethk> mosno, I do not agree that a separate boot partition means that your grub configuration file is less vulnerable
[06:52] <tarelerulz> Well, It is what I had to do .  It was what I keep running into when I did searches . I mean I hear b43 is out there . it is the replacement for bcm43xx
[06:52] <solitaire> Znuff: ndiswrapper is the easiet solution for those cards and is actually faster than the native support
[06:52] <abhi> hi i'm using a dell vostro 1400 which has built in blue tooth. i disabled the bluetooth service, but that doesn't turn off my bluetooth adapter. how do i turn off my bluetooth adapter? the bluetooth light is still on. if i turn off wireless, the wireless light goes off but for bluetooth it's not the same.
[06:53] <larrywells> But nothing is happing when I print a test page
[06:53] <abhi> i'm on Gutsy
[06:53] <sethk> mosno, anyone who hacks himself the privileges to modify the file can mount the partition.
[06:53] <nickrud> mosno, protected? a shared menu.lst that any os can alter?
[06:53] <Eagle-101> oh! what version of ubuntu are you using Znuff ?
[06:53] <soldats>  sethk maybe he means it takes 1 moar step to get to it
[06:53] <Znuff> Eagle-101, gutsy
[06:53] <Eagle-101> with xubuntu here the restricted drivers manager did the work for me
[06:53] <sethk> soldats, yes, but I don't think that's significant.
[06:53] <larrywells> Is there something else I should be doing
[06:53] <mosno> sethk: fair enough. it's more that it's protected from *me* when i reinstall or whatever
[06:53] <Znuff> Eagle-101, it doesn't for me
[06:53] <AzureLight> 232.83 GiB
[06:53] <mosno> sethk: ie. if i'm trying different distros
[06:54] <Znuff> Eagle-101, I mean, the card gets detected and everything.
[06:54] <sethk> mosno, I don't really see how or why.
[06:54] <AzureLight> That's what it shows up as
[06:54] <Znuff> Eagle-101, it even connects to the AP
[06:54] <Eagle-101> Znuff, alright, open a terminal
[06:54] <sethk> mosno, I suppose.  Backing up /boot takes about 10 seconds.
[06:54] <AzureLight> So not quite 250
[06:54] <soldats> sethk, yes i agree with you though. but i meant he wasthiking other
[06:54] <abhi> !bluetooth
[06:54] <Znuff> Eagle-101, but it won't get an IP from the DHCP server
[06:54] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[06:54] <Cubexombi> ooh here's a good one, does anyboby know how to fix randomly skipping audio playback in flash? (link like a scratched Cd but only for a second or two.. once every few minutes)
[06:54] <mosno> sethk: it's more or less useless these days but back in the old days it would save my ass
[06:55] <tarelerulz> znuff, you don't use any ip blocking stuff?  I did that and it blocked everything .  just asking
[06:55] <Eagle-101> Znuff, sounds like you don't have dhcpcd
[06:55] <Eagle-101> but lets try something alright
[06:55] <mosno> sethk: ie. back before i knew how to manually install grub
[06:55] <Znuff> Cubexombi, ask Adobe when they're gonna fix their flash player.
[06:55] <AzureLight> I wish I had someway of staying in this room while partitioning ans stuff... >_>
[06:55] <Znuff> Eagle-101, dhcp client is there.
[06:55] <Znuff> tarelerulz, nope.
[06:55] <AzureLight> Is there a flash based IRC client?
 true that...
[06:55] <Znuff> AzureLight, probably.
[06:55] <nickrud> rflol
[06:55] <ionstorm> use pidgin
[06:55] <ionstorm> to connect to irc
[06:55] <AzureLight> One that I can access on my Wii
[06:55] <ionstorm> in bootcd
[06:55] <ionstorm> or grab xchat
[06:55] <Znuff> AzureLight, google wii irc :)
[06:56] <mosno> or grab irssi :)
[06:56] <prozacmas> has anyone installed ubuntu on a aes256 encrypted partition
[06:56] <ionstorm> i have
[06:56] <Eagle-101> Znuff, please open a terminal, and type in iwlist eth1 scan
[06:56] <Eagle-101> (could be wlan0 instead of iwlist)
[06:56] <Eagle-101> err eth1
[06:56] <tarelerulz> Well,  Znuff, just asking . I did that and I was about to compile b43 and I reinstalled ubuntu and found after i install mobock I could not get web pages
[06:56] <Eagle-101> Znuff, if you can scan using the card, then the problem is not the card :)
[06:56] <prozacmas> ionstorm can i pm you
[06:56] <Znuff> Eagle-101, I can scan, yes.
[06:56] <tarelerulz> Sometimes the simple stuff can be the answer . I am glad it is not that. I felt a bit dumb haha
[06:57] <ionstorm> i didnt manually do it, I used alternate cd
[06:57] <prozacmas> me too
[06:57] <ionstorm> ok whats the q
[06:57] <Eagle-101> Znuff, are you able to connect to an accesspoint?
[06:57] <Znuff> Eagle-101, yup.
[06:57] <Eagle-101> hang on..
[06:57] <prozacmas> ionstorm can i tell you in pm
[06:57] <Znuff> Eagle-101, but it eventually fails.
[06:57] <ionstorm> ik
[06:57] <ionstorm> ok
[06:57] <prozacmas> its hard for me to follow here
[06:57] <Znuff> Eagle-101, hit the connect, it's telling me its connecting then it fails
[06:57] <prozacmas> ok thanks
[06:57] <Eagle-101> iwconfig eth1 essid "YOURACCESSPOINT"
[06:57] <Eagle-101> what does that give you?
[06:58] <AzureLight> Alright, I'm gonna do this all tomorrow
[06:58] <sethk> Znuff, if the wnet uses a key, the problem is likely related to the key.
[06:58] <sethk> towlieban?
[06:58] <towlieban> hi
[06:58] <Znuff> wish I would have stayed with my Belkin card :-/ that was working so nice out of the box :(
[06:58] <AzureLight> 2AM is not the best time to be messing with dual booting and partitioning
[06:58] <Eagle-101> Znuff, better, please put the output of iwlist eth1 scan into a pastebin?
[06:59] <t_> I'm looking for some help. Can anyone help me?
[06:59] <Eagle-101> !ask
[06:59] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:59] <sethk> t_, only if you ask a question
[06:59] <t_> i'm trying to change the schema for the autohide size of the top gnome-panel
[07:00] <t_> gconf-editor won't allow me to edit the schema
[07:00] <linux__> DOWN with microsoft!
[07:00] <sethk> t_, run it as root (that is, with sudo)
[07:01] <Eagle-101> Znuff, the card works, seems like you have problems with your network key. I know the card works because I have the exact same thing working in two different linux operating systems.
[07:01] <t_> i also went to usr/share/gconf/schemas/panel-toplevel.schemas and edited that but i don't think it did anything
[07:02] <Znuffy> f* ISP
[07:02] <AzureLight> Does this site work for anyone?
[07:02] <AzureLight> http://irc.emascc.com/home/gs69azza/public_html/irc/thevoid.digitalspread.net
[07:02] <t_> i tried gconf-editor with sudo also
[07:02] <sethk> Znuff, did you burn it?
[07:02] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, did you get my request to paste the output of iwlist eth1 scan into a pastebin please
[07:02] <soldats> no i t says no redirect fialure
[07:02] <t_> it says "Currently pairs and schemas can't be edited. This will be changed in a later version."
[07:04] <AzureLight> http://www.wiipals.net/chat.html
[07:04] <AzureLight> Someone tell me what that is
[07:04] <sethk> t_, you'll have to edit them off line from a console.  BACK UP FIRST.
[07:04] <soldats> chat?
[07:04] <AzureLight> Does it let you join any IRC channel
[07:04] <Romeo-> hello
[07:04] <AzureLight> Or is it just one specific one?
[07:04] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, just a sec. I have to reapply the firmware stuff.
[07:04] <t_> would that be under the usr/share/gconf/schemas?
[07:05] <AzureLight> I'm too lazy to get Java atm
[07:05] <sethk> AzureLight, who knows?  You are obviously already in an IRC chat room.
[07:05] <Znuffy> ...
[07:05] <sethk> AzureLight, or do you mean you want to use it because it uses the nintendo hardware?
[07:05] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, alright, you should only have to do that once.
[07:05] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, alright, you should only have to do that once. (pasting again incase Znuffy could not see)
[07:05] <larrywells> How do i find IP range of my Lan
[07:05] <Romeo-> can somebody tell me why mencoder are not workin on ubuntu? http://rafb.net/p/jWpBF564.html
[07:05] <AzureLight> sethk: I want to know what it is for the possibilty of using it off my Wii's browser
[07:05] <AzureLight> So that I can be in this room while installing my OSs
[07:06] <Znuffy> http://pastebin.com/m5b0a27f2
[07:06] <sethk> AzureLight, I don't know that.  Pick a few sites and see if you can get to them.
[07:06] <haymaker> oh man, if anyone needs a chuckle: http://ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[07:06] <sethk> AzureLight, actually, just try to get on this site.  After all, we know everything so who needs any other channel?   :)
[07:07] <larrywells> do i use route -n?
[07:07] <sethk> haymaker, I've seen it before, it is very amusing.
[07:08] <Znuffy> that was for Eagle-101 :P
[07:08] <AzureLight> Is there a way to access this room on a Wii though?
[07:08] <sethk> AzureLight, I don't know, don't use Wii.
[07:08] <hallow> how big is the ubuntu 7.10 when it finishes the installation?
[07:08] <haymaker> sethk, i laughed so hard i was crying
[07:09] <edgy> Hi, I just bought an XPS 1330 and installed ubuntu. there is a port called hdmi and I am curious to try it so I bought an hdmi cable and connect it to my lcd tv but now what?! ;)
[07:09] <Eagle-101> AzureLight, sure, though dualbooting is nothing to get worked up over :)
[07:09] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, looking
[07:09] <edgy> I cannot see my pc on the tv screen as I expected and I have no clue what to do
[07:09] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, alright, when you go to connect to this accesspoint, please make sure encryption is turned *off*
[07:09] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, it is.
[07:09] <sethk> haymaker, be fun to see someone trying to use it that way.
[07:10] <mattbot> I just formatted the unbuntu drive in my dual boot machine not realizing that grub was on that drive. Is there an easy way for me to go back to the windows boot loader?
[07:10] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, alright, go back to the terminal and type in ping google
[07:10] <Eagle-101> err google.com
[07:10] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, doesn't work :-)
[07:10] <haymaker> mattbot, boot to the windows disk in recovery mode and run fixmbr
[07:10] <sethk> mattbot, fdisk /mbr
[07:10] <sethk> mattbot, or fixmbr in windows recovery
[07:10] <sethk> mattbot, or add windows to the grub config file.
[07:10] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, alright did you type in iwconfig eth1 essid "Znuffie Woofie"
[07:11] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, yup.
[07:11] <AzureLight> Oh well
[07:11] <mattbot> grub is gone, along with linux, I'll try the windows recovery
[07:11] <Eagle-101> is the card actually on eth1?
[07:11] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, then dhclient eth1
[07:11] <AzureLight> I will resort to the forums if I need anything
[07:11] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, yes
[07:11] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, ah!
[07:11] <haymaker> mattbot, you should really give up windows though, its trble
[07:11] <Eagle-101> dhcpcd eth1
[07:11] <AzureLight> Now to get some sleep and then start the installation process
[07:11] <soldats> forums is the forst place to look for problems
[07:12] <AzureLight> Thanks for all the help guys
[07:12] <bengl> every time i login, i have to go into Advanced Desktop Effects Settings, and click the Window Decoration box, otherwise i never get any window decoration, anyone know how i can fix this?
[07:12] <Eagle-101> AzureLight, sure, don't sweat it
[07:12] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, nothing, ofcourse.
[07:12] <sethk> soldats, did you mean first, or worst?  :)
[07:12] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, nothing as in a new line?
[07:12] <t_> i sudo edited usr/share/gconf/schemas/panel-toplevel.schemas but i cant tell if it had any effect on gnome-panel
[07:12] <soldats> first
[07:12] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, next timeout, next timeout
[07:12] <AzureLight> So formatting is done in Gparted, right?
[07:13] <soldats> bengl, do you have save setting on rbooet selected
[07:13] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, are you connected vie a different internet connection?
[07:13] <mattbot> haymaker, I need it for my desktop for some proprietary software I use for work. Every other machine I own is 100% linux. Just had to format the linux drive on it because I was running out of room.
[07:13] <Eagle-101> ie wired?
[07:13] <soldats> sethk, i meant first
[07:13] <sethk> soldats, just checking.  :)
[07:13] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, yup, but don't mind that.  If anyone can help they will.
[07:17] <NeT_DeMoN> i have an intel sound card, i had vista and it didnt work right then either
[07:17] <soldats> the card may be bad then
[07:17] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: Do you know which model it is?
[07:17] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: hold up
[07:18] <NeT_DeMoN> Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:18] <fitztrev> Is it possible to get the server time from the command line?
[07:18] <mo> hello
[07:18] <wasme> fitztrev: uh, 'date'?
[07:18] <Znuffy> fitztrev, ntpclient ip-of-time-server
[07:19] <mo> I have a small issue , and I was wondering if you guys could help me ..
[07:19] <soldats> date
[07:19] <t_> does anybody know how to make the gnome-panel autohide so that it is only 1 or 2 pixels?
[07:19] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, my thought right now is to try to give it a specific IP address instead of using dhcpcd
[07:19] <haymaker> mo whats the problem?
[07:19] <mo> Im loading ubuntu from cd , I was trying to install
[07:19] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, like I said, tried that too.
[07:19] <Eagle-101> thing is for ubuntu this should work out of the box for my card
[07:19] <fitztrev> date works.  thanks!
[07:19] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, won't ping.
[07:19] <NeT_DeMoN> any one?
[07:19] <soldats> Znuffy, the advanced way lol
[07:19] <mo> the hard drive  is NTFS
[07:20] <Znuffy> soldats, he used "Server" and "time" in the same sentence :P
[07:20] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, it may be a bad card, or bad configuration for drivers
[07:20] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, paste the output of ifconfig please
[07:20] <mo> and I was trying to take the free space to install it on
[07:20] <NeT_DeMoN> solddats: it used to work
[07:20] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, I'm not *that* stupid, you know? :)
[07:20] <mo> but ... installation stays and never moves from the partition screen ..
[07:20] <soldats> Znuffy, ahh i figured me meant off his own server
[07:20] <SuperQ> t_: right-click on an empty part of the panel, select properties
[07:21] <mo> it does nothing
[07:21] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, I know that's correct :)
[07:21] <SuperQ> t_: the trick is to find an empty part of the panel
[07:21] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, it just doesn't authentificate with my AP
[07:21] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, you said it didnt in vista either thoghg
[07:21] <haymaker> mo so its just sitting there?
[07:21] <mo> yea
[07:21] <NeT_DeMoN> it just quit working one day, and it will work every once in awhile
[07:21] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, alright, try this then, make the AP use WEP
[07:21] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: yeah
[07:21] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, I think I'll just use ndiswrapper :-/
[07:21] <haymaker> mo alright, well do you have any valuable data on the ntfs volume?
[07:21] <mo> funny thing is
[07:21] <Eagle-101> and give it a password :)
[07:21] <mo> yea
[07:22] <mo> plenty
[07:22] <mo> :(
[07:22] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, faulty wires bad connection. check connection if it isnt integrated
[07:22] <mo> :D
[07:22] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, thing is... your card is working >.>
[07:22] <haymaker> mo how big is the volume?
[07:22] <ogre> whats the name of that app where you can add your trashcan to the desktop? its some sort of browser with check boxes
[07:22] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, logs say it doesn't :)
[07:22] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: its a laptop
[07:22] <mo> around 60 gigs
[07:22] <ogre> i know the name i just cant remember
[07:22] <haymaker> mo how much free space?
[07:22] <poppy75> i was wondering if anyone could help with this error: Failed to construct test pipeline for 'gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat'
[07:22] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: a toshiba satellite A-105
[07:22] <mo> I have about 2 gigs to work with
[07:22] <wasme> ogre: gconf-editor
[07:22] <mo> 2256 megabytes
[07:23] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, ahh it sounds as though you need a tech if you dont have the know how to disassemble it
[07:23] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, also, I get stuff like: [ 4943.171365] bcm43xx: IRQ_READY timeout <-- in my logs
[07:23] <ogre> wasme:  thanks thats it
[07:23] <Eagle-101> ;S
[07:23] <haymaker> mo you have a 60 gb ntfs volume filled to the brim with 2.2gb free and you thought it would be ok to take the last 2 gb for ubuntu?
[07:23] <sethk> NeT_DeMoN, I would hit it with a hammer.  Won't fix anything, but you'll feel better.
[07:23] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, if it randomly goes on and off it may be another process using it or bad connection or bad cables
[07:23] <Eagle-101> Znuffy, well good luck, its going on 2AM here, feel free to ping me if you still need help tomorrow
[07:23] <sethk> NeT_DeMoN, if you don't like that idea, see if headphones have the same symptoms.
[07:24] <Znuffy> Eagle-101, It's 9 am here. Been up all night... and morning :>
[07:24] <Eagle-101> that card should just setup and work
[07:24] <mo> linux worked for me on much much less
[07:24] <Znuffy> It should :-(
[07:24] <Znuffy> I'll give ndiswrapper a try
[07:24] <mo> I didnt think ubuntu would be any different
[07:24] <soldats> ohg yea sethk thats a good idea
[07:24] <haymaker> mo oh it will work, but windows needs free space
[07:24] <mo> I deleted windows
[07:24] <mo> windows stoped working
[07:24] <mo> and it kept restating
[07:24] <haymaker> mo so you just have this ntfs volume with data on it?
[07:25] <NeT_DeMoN> damn, any one know how to stop a sit load of lags :P
[07:25] <NeT_DeMoN> shit^^
[07:25] <mo> yes :D
[07:25] <kraut> moin
[07:25] <haymaker> i'd say best thing to do is get your data off
[07:25] <mo> I tried to fsck it
[07:25] <mo> to repair errors
[07:25] <mo> I tried gnome partition
[07:25] <haymaker> how long has it been waiting?
[07:25] <mo> but it stopped after 5 seconds
[07:25] <mo> setup waits endlessly
[07:26] <poppy75> Znuffy: what firmware are you using?
[07:26] <NeT_DeMoN> sethk: lmao
[07:26] <poppy75> the default that ubuntu downloads?
[07:26] <amitprakash> !clone
[07:26] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[07:26] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: In what situation did it last work? I have the same sound card and it does indeed work.
[07:26] <mo> funny thing is
[07:26] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: well thank for helping me dude
[07:26] <Znuffy> poppy75, the one that ubuntu suggets
[07:26] <mo> theres admin password in this live cd
[07:27] <mo> so I cant do anything
[07:27] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: All I can say is, it "Just Works" in Feisty and above
[07:27] <mo> in terminal
[07:27] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: like no certian cituation
[07:27] <sethk> mo, sudo is probably wide open.  Try sudo -i
[07:27] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: Have you checked your mixer settings?
[07:27] <mo> okay thanks :D
[07:27] <sethk> mo  if it asks for a password, use your own password, not roots (even if you knew it)
[07:27] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: i guess ut just decides when to work
[07:27] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: yeah
[07:27] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: And everything is unmuted, and if you're on a laptop, "External Amplifier" is checked?
[07:27] <MontoyaC> hey guys, can someone tell me how to disable nvidia restricted driver from command line?
[07:28] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: Because over here, not having Ext Amp enabled = no sound
[07:28] <MontoyaC> I can't see the XORG anymore since I enabled it
[07:28] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: yeah, alsa mixer right?
[07:28] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: Yep.
[07:28] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: ok, thanks
[07:28] <poppy75> i had the same problem, what you should do is remove the bcm firmware found in /lib/firmware then do sudo wget http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-<IP_ADDRESS>.o and sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter wl_apsta-<IP_ADDRESS>.o
[07:28] <ogre> what is the path in gconf-editor to make it so my mounted drives dont show up on desktop?
[07:28] <mo> may I ask you , would fsck be the best program to fix errors on ntfs ?
[07:29] <amitprakash> how do i set socks proxy for aptitude
[07:30] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: what about the stock speakers on the laptop?
[07:30] <poppy75> Znuffy, do you understand what i mean?
[07:30] <scguy318> amitprakash: System -> Prefs -> Network Proxy
[07:30] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: What do you mean?
[07:30] <MontoyaC> ok poppy75
[07:30] <t_> does anyone know how to get around gconf-editor denying schema editing
[07:30] <MontoyaC> i'll try that
[07:30] <wasme> ogre: try /apps/nautilus/desktop
[07:30] <Znuffy> poppy75, tried that firmware too.
[07:30] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: like the speakers on the laptop
[07:30] <amitprakash> scguy318, works for aptitude command line
[07:30] <poppy75> umm
[07:30] <amitprakash> ??
[07:31] <Znuffy> poppy75, I'll try ndiswrapper
[07:31] <Znuffy> brb
[07:31] <poppy75> ok
[07:31] <amitprakash> scguy318, does it work for aptitude command line too?
[07:31] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: Without "External Amplifier" enabled, there's no sound from the headphone jack nor from the laptop speakers.
[07:31] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: i think it might just be a crappy toshiba :P
[07:31] <Znuffy> uhm, wait... question
[07:31] <scguy318> amitprakash: yes
[07:31] <Znuffy> how the hell do I stop the native driver?
[07:31] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: ok, how do i enable it?
[07:32] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: sorry, im kind of a oob
[07:32] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: You're using GNOME, right? There should be a volume control icon in the top panel. Double-click on that.
[07:32] <NeT_DeMoN> noob^^
[07:32] <staykovmarin> i am trying to find the sqlite3-dev package to compile xmms2, does anyone know which one i need to get? a search comes up with quite a few results
[07:33] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda:yeah, ok
[07:33] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, type alsamixer in a terminal and turn everything up
[07:33] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: It should be set to use the Alsa mixer, by the way (mine says "HDA Intel (Alsa mixer)"). There should be a "Switches" tab too.
[07:33] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: ok
[07:33] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: Can you see an "External Amplifier" option in there anywhere?
[07:34] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, open the sound card config menu from the apps menu and set it to alsa
[07:34] <Znuffy> yuuuup
[07:34] <Znuffy> ndiswrapper worked
[07:34] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: nope
[07:34] <Znuffy> brb
[07:34] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: (If there's no such option, go to Edit -> Preferences. Enable "External Amplifier" in the list of tracks to be visible.)
[07:34] <MontoyaC> poppy75: I don't see it
[07:34] <ogre> wasme:  do i have to restart x before my drives will no longer be visible?
[07:35] <poppy75> does anyone know of a fix to get my mic / line in working for the "Failed to construct test pipeline.." error? I have mythtv installed and ready but since those ports dont work its not really panning out
[07:35] <|_ocke> anyone tried one of these celeron 420 '64-bit' cpus with 7.10 64-bit?
[07:35] <poppy75> MontoyaC see what?
[07:35] <MontoyaC> anything that starts with bcm
[07:35] <wasme> ogre: you may have to restart nautilus
[07:35] <|_ocke> im worndering if it would work
[07:35] <MontoyaC> poppy75: it just goes from atmel to dvb
[07:35] <MontoyaC> poppy75: Is there another location for restricted drivers?
[07:35] <poppy75> are you having the same problem Znuffy was having?
[07:36] <ogre> anyone have conky working on gnome? I know that its running i see it for a second when I boot up and when I shut down but I cant see it while im using my pc
[07:36] <wasme> ogre: which you can do by restarting X ... or just 'killall nautilus' and it *should* restart on its own ... but I take no responsibility if it doesn't and your left without a filemanager ... (although you could just restart it from the terminal if it doesn't restart on its own.)
[07:36] <MontoyaC> poppy75: I didn't see his problem, I did a fresh install of feisty and clicked "enable nividia drivers"  under restricteds
[07:36] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: you said turn everything up right?
[07:36] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: like on the terminal
[07:36] <MontoyaC> poppy75: "out of range" error as soon as I restarted
[07:36] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, id say first you need to rclick on the audio notifier and set the default to alsa
[07:37] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: I never mentioned the terminal... maybe that was soldats?
[07:37] <poppy75> MontoyaC your wireless was working before that?
[07:37] <MontoyaC> poppy75: I'm talking about display drivers, not networking drivers!
[07:37] <ogre> wasme:  im doing some strange stuff to my box tonight anyways. I have deleted all panels and am running everything off AWN
[07:37] <poppy75> MontoyaC oh, i was wondering what you were talking about
[07:37] <NeT_DeMoN> sorry about that, i got d/ced
[07:38] <soldats> Fyda, yes it seems hes responding to you so tell him to run alsamixer in terminal and turn everythign up
[07:38] <MontoyaC> poppy75: do you know where to find the restricted drivers on the filesystem? or how to disable them?
[07:38] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: how do i turn the other two up
[07:38] <soldats> or rclick the audio icon and set default to alsa
[07:38] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: the default is alsa
[07:38] <poppy75> MontoyaC one second let me check into it
[07:39] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, if something wont go up it means its not recognized or not installed
[07:39] <MontoyaC> thanks
[07:39] <Fyda> ogre: Is conky set to draw to the root window?
[07:39] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: ok, how would i re-install it?
[07:39] <ogre> Fyda:  i dont know. I am on a fresh install
[07:39] <NeT_DeMoN> damn
[07:39] <mo> does anyone know what would be the best program for harddrive sector repair in ubuntu ?
[07:40] <ogre> i just installed it like 20 mins ago
[07:40] <batma8> anyone up tonight :)
[07:40] <ogre> Fyda:  how would I check?
[07:40] <batma8> Does anyone in here use geforce 7600 gs?
[07:40] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, i think via command line apt-get has a reinstall thing for it. i dont remember exactly. but you "could" try to uninstall it and apt-get it again
[07:41] <Znuff> ndiswrapper worked great :)
[07:41] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: ok, how do i un-install it, soory im like fresh noob to this
[07:41] <NeT_DeMoN> sorry^^
[07:41] <brylie> NeT_DeMoN, are you familiar with Synaptic?
[07:42] <Fyda> ogre: Well, if you use gconf-editor and disable /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop, does that make conky visible all the time?
[07:42] <poppy75> MontoyaC are you just wanting to remove the restricted drivers or fix the error?
[07:42] <darkw0lf> I has a question. is there a way to get x-chat Gnome to keep the user list up?
[07:42] <brylie> Click System>>Administration>>Synaptic Package Manager
[07:42] <darkw0lf> or should I just install X-Chat instead?
[07:42] <ogre> Fyda:  let me try. one second
[07:42] <brylie> I'm using XChat
[07:43] <darkw0lf> no problems with the user list being on the screen?
[07:43] <wasme> darkw0lf: it's probably easier to just use X-Chat ... x-chat-gnome is a version of x-chat with a stripped down interface with fewer options.
[07:43] <darkw0lf> cause in x-chat gnome it's a popup list
[07:43] <Znuff> xchat-gnome sucks hard :-/
[07:43] <darkw0lf> wasme: ah. thanks :_
[07:43] <darkw0lf> *:)
[07:43] <MontoyaC> poppy75: First, disable them, so I can at least see the desktop
[07:43] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: thanks for helping though
[07:43] <MontoyaC> poppy75: then I might install envy
[07:44] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, "sudo apt-get -f install alsa"
[07:44] <poppy75> just try sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[07:44] <MontoyaC> ok
[07:44] <soldats> it should fix dependencies
[07:44] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: It's technically the same if you just use the GNOME volume mixer, as long as (like soldats said) you set it to use the ALSA device.
[07:44] <poppy75> i think that is the package that it installs for restricted nvidia when you use the restricted driver manager
[07:44] <MontoyaC> poppy75: That package is not installed
[07:44] <soldats> Fyda, yes ;)
[07:44] <wasme> MontoyaC: try nvidia-glx-new
[07:45] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: is that a command i run in the terminal??
[07:45] <Znuff> anyone tried KDE4?
[07:45] <towlieban> i have
[07:45] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, yes
[07:45] <MontoyaC> wasme: Nice work! that existed
[07:45] <darkw0lf> I have to say, I'm rather impressed with Ubuntu 7.10
[07:45] <poppy75> MontoyaC have you tried booting into recovery mode?
[07:45] <towlieban> its not very nice imo
[07:45] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: ok thank
[07:45] <NeT_DeMoN> s
[07:45] <MontoyaC> poppy75: I'm in that now
[07:45] <darkw0lf> I've had trouble in the past with Ubuntu
[07:45] <MontoyaC> poppy75: I think wasme got it
[07:45] <poppy75> ok
[07:45] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: Additionally, have you looked in System -> Preferences -> Sound? There you can set which device is used for sound playback.
[07:45] <MontoyaC> poppy75 wasme: Now how do I start the graphical interface?
[07:45] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, it may not work but its a try in the dark.
[07:46] <poppy75> try gdm for login screen
[07:46] <poppy75> or startx
[07:46] <poppy75> to go into a session
[07:46] <soldats> startx
[07:46] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: yeah
[07:46] <wasme> MontoyaC: I'm sorry, I wasn't following what you were doing ... are you trying to install the nvidia drivesr or remove them? If you removed them you need to reconfigure X to use a different display driver, like nv or something.
[07:46] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: what if it asks for my password but yet won't let me enter anything??
[07:47] <MontoyaC> wasme: I'll get to that later, at least I have a display now!
[07:47] <poppy75> wasme he is trying to remove since he is getting overrange error
[07:47] <MontoyaC> wasme: Internal error: failed to initialize HAL! << what does that mean?
[07:47] <poppy75> MontoyaC try installing nvidia-settings also when you try to reinstall so you can check everything
[07:48] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, when you do "sudo" it will ask for password but when you type it it wont display anything
[07:48] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: ok
[07:48] <wasme> MontoyaC: HAL is the thing that tracks your hardware so when you, say, plug in a new usb disk everything will see it right away ... why it failed to intialize I don't know. But your system should still be useable without it. Just some of the hardware magic won't work.
[07:48] <DarkW0lf> there we go much better
[07:48] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, is bios detecting your sound card
[07:48] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: lie the cursor wont move either?
[07:48] <MontoyaC> poppy75 wasme: I might just leave the whole thing alone
[07:48] <NeT_DeMoN> like^^
[07:49] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: i think so
[07:49] <poppy75> MontoyaC a reinstall might be easier if it is a new install anyway
[07:49] <DarkW0lf> ok now how do I change colours in X-Chat?
[07:49] <ogre> Fyda:  nope its still not showing
[07:49] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, if reinstalling broken dependencies doesnt work try to see if its detected in bios at bootup. the cursor shouldnt move either ;)
[07:49] <MontoyaC> poppy75: Yeah but I don't have time for that now... and last time I had a good install, when I installed envy, the login screen was always out of range even though it was fine after that...
[07:50] <batma8> has anyone in here had problems installing gutsy with more than one stick of memory installed?
[07:50] <soldats> DarkW0lf, settings > config
[07:50] <DarkW0lf> unfortunately my colourblindness affects dark blue on black
[07:50] <winkman> Darkwolf: Edit Menu> Prefs > Colours
[07:50] <poppy75> MontoyaC are you using gutsy or feisty?
[07:50] <wasme> DarkW0lf: Settings -> Preferencse -> Interface -> coluors
[07:50] <soldats> DarkW0lf, i meant settings > preferences
[07:50] <mo> simple question
[07:50] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: ok, like how would i un-install it with the terminal?
[07:50] <winkman> (xchat-gnome)
[07:50] <wasme> colors
[07:50] <MontoyaC> poppy75: feisty, but that problem was when I had the amd64 version, now I'm using i386
[07:50] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: i just want to try to remove it and re-install it
[07:51] <mo> how  would I go around to change the folder or volume from read only to fully accessible ?
[07:51] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, if you really want to "sudo apt-get remove alsa" then do "sudo apt-get install alsa" i think
[07:51] <bazhang> mo: a folder in home?
[07:51] <winkman> Hi... I"ve just burnt an APTonCD disc, and i'm trying to re-install the packages on it... can someone walk me through? I'm getting an error when i try to add it as a CD in Synaptic
[07:51] <poppy75> MontoyaC: that is strange, im using gutsy and have had no problems with nvidia drivers
[07:51] <mo> no
[07:51] <mo> ntfs
[07:51] <MontoyaC> mo: That would be just chmod, right? sudo chmod 777
[07:51] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: ok, thanks
[07:51] <mo> thanjs
[07:51] <MontoyaC> poppy75: I think my monitors are just crappy, they never configure right. they're cheap
[07:51] <bazhang> ntfs-g mo
[07:52] <mo> thanks :D
[07:52] <wasme> MontoyaC: mind if I ask you to repeat what your problem is?
[07:52] <poppy75> MontoyaC: i see, it happens, my monitor is off center until x is initiated so i know what you mean
[07:52] <winkman> Any ideas?
[07:52] <MontoyaC> wasme: I'm okay now, I was having a problem where when nvidia drivers were enabled, the monitor was out of range
[07:53] <Fyda> ogre: I don't know what it could be, then.
[07:53] <wasme> MontoyaC: ah, I see.
[07:53] <MontoyaC> poppy75: This would all be fine if nvidia gave us good drivers -.-
[07:53] <DarkW0lf> ok uh... heh... I need some additional help.
[07:53] <ogre> Fyda:  thanks anyways
[07:53] <poppy75> MontoyaC , i know but at least they have some drivers, some companies fail to acknowledge linux as an OS at all
[07:53] <DarkW0lf> how exactly do I change the colour of the nicknames at the left side of the screen?
[07:53] <arooni> how do i access a FTP site via gutsy?  i'd prefer to use built in tools if possible.........  when i try use the connect to server.... option it doesnt seem to do anything :((
[07:54] <MontoyaC> poppy75: very true
[07:54] <arooni> actually when i try to connect to a server... it just opens a tab in firefox
[07:54] <arooni> how do i fix?
[07:54] <winkman> arooni: Places Menu> Connect To server...
[07:54] <mo> chmod didnt do it
[07:54] <soldats> DarkW0lf, in the preferences menu there is an option for it called colored nicknames
[07:54] <mo> ntfs-g didnt exist in ubuntu
[07:54] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: do i need to restart?
[07:54] <sethk> arooni, usually it also brings up a dialog box saying something like save file, open with, etc.
[07:54] <mo> Ill check around
[07:55] <sethk> arooni, the tab is an artifact
[07:55] <winkman> arooni: It'll create a menu item in Nautilus, where you can browse your files... :)
[07:55] <bazhang> ntfs-config is the package name iirc mo
[07:55] <haymaker> gnight
[07:55] <arooni> sethk, is it supposed to launch a tab in firefox?  it seems thats all it does
[07:55] <bazhang> !ntfs-g
[07:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs-g - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:55] <bazhang> !info ntfs-3g
[07:55] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:56] <bazhang> ntfs-3g mo
[07:56] <sethk> arooni, it shouldn't _only_ open the tab.
[07:56] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, shouldnt have to but im not sure. its worth a try
[07:56] <Nostahl> what options do i have to optimize Ubuntu to run on a old laptop faster?
[07:56] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats:ok, i'll be back later
[07:56] <DarkW0lf> ok I think that fixed it
[07:56] <mo> thanks a bunch !!
[07:56] <DarkW0lf> I guess
[07:56] <arooni> what's the port
[07:56] <sethk> arooni, the port for ftp?
[07:56] <soldats> DarkW0lf, if it didnt work i have no clue why
[07:56] <DarkW0lf> it's just that stinking blue on black that I can't see due to my slight colourblindness
[07:56] <winkman> Nostahl: xubuntu?
[07:57] <DarkW0lf> thanks for the help
[07:57] <sethk> arooni, the standard ports are all listed in /etc/services
[07:57] <Nostahl> i have ubuntu 7.10
[07:57] <arooni> sethk,
[07:57] <Be1> Could someone give me a hand at installing a font?
[07:57] <MontoyaC> has anyone used the nvidia drivers via Automatix? are they good?
[07:57] <Be1> I'm new to Linux and don't have any idea how to do it.
[07:57] <winkman> Nostahl: You could install the xubuntu packages, which is a lighter gui
[07:57] <erUSUL> !fonts | Be1
[07:57] <ubotu> Be1: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:57] <soldats> Be1, theres a font folder to put the .tff files in
[07:57] <Nostahl> ty winkman i'll start googling it
[07:58] <Filled-void> MontoyaC, Why use Automatix ? Are you having problems installing it otherwise?
[07:58] <sharsa> !sharsa HDAIntel
[07:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sharsa hdaintel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <soldats> !fonts | be1
[07:58] <ubotu> be1: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:58] <sharsa> ! sharsa HDAIntel
[07:58] <winkman> Bel: Alt+F2, type fonts:///, Copy files in here, Restart
[07:58] <MontoyaC> Filled-void: Kinda. The default restricted drivers don't seem to give me a better resolution than 1024
[07:58] <bazhang> !hdaintel | sharsa
[07:58] <ubotu> sharsa: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[07:58] <sharsa> thx
[07:58] <winkman> !APTonCD
[07:58] <ubotu> APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers
[07:59] <Be1> Thanks.
[07:59] <Be1> Hopefully this'll work.
[07:59] <Filled-void> MontoyaC, You can edit Xorg.conf I recall to get better resolutions if your card supports it
[07:59] <arooni> sethk, i mean the default port for FTP... is 21?
[08:00] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: still didnt work, any other ideas?
[08:00] <mo> I tried it
[08:00] <winkman>  Hi... I"ve just burnt an APTonCD disc, and i'm trying to re-install the packages on it... can someone walk me through? I'm getting an error when i try to add it as a CD in Synaptic
[08:00] <MontoyaC> Filled-void: I tried that, it wouldn't support the higher ones, my guess is that the drivers just weren't recognizing the monitor right
[08:00] <mo> kept on saying read only still
[08:00] <mo> and im in root :)
[08:00] <Nostahl> so xubuntu is an entire distro? or just a package for ubuntu with xfce
[08:00] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: think it could be the wireing in my speakers?
[08:00] <MontoyaC> mo: Did you disconnect the drive from another computer in a hurry? I noticed Windows locks the drives if you don't unmount properly
[08:00] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, it may be a faulty card. wires may be bad or connection
[08:01] <bazhang> Nostahl: distro
[08:01] <arooni> i created a new connection in ubuntu........ but when i try to connect..... a firefox tab is opened.... nothing else ;(
[08:01] <mo> its a laptop , no I didnt
[08:01] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, yes, its a laptop right
[08:01] <winkman> Nostahl: It's a distro, but you can install the xfce packages
[08:01] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: yeah
[08:01] <winkman> (separately)
[08:01] <winkman> !xfce
[08:01] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[08:01] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, if so id have a tech look at it, id do it but im sure your nowhere close to me
[08:01] <winkman> arooni: Go and check nautilus for it.
[08:01] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: lol, yeah
[08:01] <winkman> (In the side menu > Places View)
[08:02] <arooni> wait.... now it works :P
[08:02] <arooni> yay
[08:02] <Nostahl> so i cant type apt-get install xfce4
[08:02] <Nostahl> i have to type apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[08:02] <DarkW0lf> I'm quite enjoying Compiz Fusion
[08:02] <winkman> Nostahl: I think you can... go and check the xfce site...
[08:02] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, but yea a tech near you may be the best bet
[08:02] <DarkW0lf> I wrote my name in fire on the desktop :P
[08:02] <MontoyaC> I don't get it, xfce looks like plain ubuntu?
[08:02] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: ok
[08:02] <bazhang> Nostahl: sure you can--though that should be xubuntu-desktop
[08:02] <soldats> MontoyaC, totally wrong
[08:03] <mo> its strange
[08:03] <winkman> DarkWOlf: lol
[08:03] <NeT_DeMoN> soldats: people in texas are retarded though :P
[08:03] <winkman> !sources-list
[08:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sources-list - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:03] <mo> when I was using windows there was an encryption pogam
[08:03] <mo> the error I recieved was msgina.dll
[08:03] <mo> dll error
[08:03] <mo> make me restart endlessly
[08:04] <mo> ':D
[08:04] <soldats> NeT_DeMoN, lol
[08:04] <mo> I cant take windows anymore :D
[08:04] <MontoyaC> soldats: What else does it have? I see 4 desktops but no other features
[08:04] <DarkW0lf> right now I'm watching rain on my desktop :P
[08:04] <DarkW0lf> I got the wiper going :P
[08:04] <amitprakash> scguy318, can i use something like "export http_proxy "
[08:04] <poppy75> speaking of windows, anyone know of a good itunes replacement that will keep my music organzied?
[08:04] <NeT_DeMoN> any one know how to get the cube feature back on 7.10??
[08:04] <amitprakash> poppy75, amarok
[08:04] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009 mo
[08:04] <Filled-void> poppy75, Amarok, Exaile ?
[08:05] <soldats> MontoyaC, its more minimalistic like simpler menues lighter weight and a faster but more minimal file manager
[08:05] <wasme> poppy75: I use rhythmbox, ... amarok seems more popular though.
[08:05] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: install ccsm
[08:05] <mo> THANKS :D
[08:05] <DarkW0lf> the cube feature?
[08:05] <poppy75> will amarok support my ipod?
[08:05] <DarkW0lf> as in...?
[08:05] <DarkW0lf> Compiz Fusion?
[08:05] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok, where from
[08:05] <Filled-void> poppy75, yes
[08:05] <MontoyaC> soldats: Oh, yeah, it comes packages with different menu managers. I guess that's okay
[08:05] <winkman> NeT_DeMoN: Check out the advanced settings for compiz fusion... you'll be able to find it there
[08:05] <soldats> MontoyaC, its very nice i think i have it and prefer it
[08:05] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: from the repositories
[08:06] <NeT_DeMoN> winkman:compiz fusion, wheres that
[08:06] <DarkW0lf> winkman: is there one in C F to freely rotate the cube?
[08:06] <NeT_DeMoN> ??
[08:06] <poppy75> will i be able to import music from my ipod with it? that the only place i have it saved
[08:06] <Filled-void> poppy75, yes
[08:06] <simion314> hi, where i can configure this feature in gnome that makes all my windows small on the screen to chose one from? how this feature is named?
[08:06] <bazhang> DarkW0lf: yes
[08:06] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang:wheres that dude, im like completely new to linux
[08:06] <poppy75> ok thanks
[08:06] <DarkW0lf> NeT_DeMoN: have you done an update?
[08:06] <Filled-void> poppy75, yw
[08:06] <amitprakash> how do i set socks proxy for aptitude in command line like "export http_proxy" for http
[08:06] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: Compiz Fusion is included with Gutsy
[08:06] <NeT_DeMoN> darkwolf:yeah, every one thats come out
[08:06] <DarkW0lf> I got mine through updating Gutsy with all the features
[08:06] <unikon>  is there any way i can order 10 free Gutsy 7.10 cd's for free from canonical i only see an option for 1 cd
[08:06] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: It's what provides the special effects like desktops on a 3D cube
[08:07] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: gusty???
[08:07] <winkman> unikon: Check out shipit?
[08:07] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: wheres that?
[08:07] <Fyda> NeT_DeMoN: Erm. Ubuntu 7.10 is also known as Gutsy
[08:07] <DarkW0lf> if you have it installed it's under System > Preferences > Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[08:07] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: open up synaptic, enable repositories, hit reload, then find ccsm and compiz-gnome, hit apply updates
[08:07] <unikon>  i am lol all i see is for 1 free cd
[08:07] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: ok
[08:07] <MontoyaC> Fyda: That's news to me
[08:07] <winkman> unikon: Hmm... Buy 10 CDr's then? lol
[08:08] <winkman> unikon: Sorry... not sure
[08:08] <bazhang> shipit unikon?
[08:08] <unikon>  ive gotten 10 free before
[08:08] <Fyda> MontoyaC: What is?
[08:08] <DarkW0lf> Also wise to go to System > Pref > Appearance and select the full effects setting
[08:08] <DarkW0lf> Under the Visual Effects Tab
[08:08] <MontoyaC> Fyda: That it comes with compiz-fusion. Does that mean if I upgrade to Gutsy I'll have compiz by default?
[08:08] <DarkW0lf> it's called Extra
[08:08] <winkman> MontoyaC: yup
[08:09] <bazhang> MontoyaC: yes, basic stuff
[08:09] <DarkW0lf> Winkman: What's the one to use for the freely rotating cube? I can't seem to find it
[08:09] <MontoyaC> winkman bazhang: I'll have to try that later
[08:09] <Fyda> MontoyaC: Yeah, only they're labeled "Visual Effects" and enabled via GNOME's Appearance settings
[08:09] <DarkW0lf> ah nevermind I got it
[08:09] <amitprakash> how do i set socks proxy for aptitude in command line like "export http_proxy" for http???
[08:10] <DarkW0lf> Control-Alt Mouse Button 1
[08:10] <MontoyaC> Fyda: Oh hey, I think Feisty has that too
[08:10] <DarkW0lf> :P
[08:10] <Fyda> MontoyaC: One of the goals of integration with Ubuntu is that people don't have to know what Compiz is -- they'll just have these effects which are a natural part of the system
[08:10] <MontoyaC> Fyda: I know, that makes sense
[08:10] <Fyda> MontoyaC: Yes, but Feisty had a really old version of it (0.3-ish, I think?) and the one in Gutsy is 0.6.
[08:10] <MontoyaC> Fyda: It should be more obvious though
[08:10] <soldats> amitprakash, maybe in the config
[08:10] <amitprakash> soldats, erm how ^^
[08:10] <MontoyaC> Fyda: What's an easy way to upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy? Via CD?
[08:11] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: synaptic package manager right?
[08:11] <DarkW0lf> Fyda: I would think so.
[08:11] <Fyda> MontoyaC: I guess we're in an awkward transitional state, where some people know what Compiz is and don't recognise it in Gutsy (so they try to install it), and others don't know what it is...
[08:11] <bazhang> MontoyaC: via the command line :}
[08:11] <soldats> amitprakash, it was a suggestion. not sure.
[08:11] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: yes
[08:11] <MontoyaC> Fyda: Well, some people still install Beryl -.-
[08:11] <MontoyaC> bazhang: What would be the correct command?
[08:11] <Fyda> MontoyaC: Mm, the upgrade manager should at least tell you that there's a new dist version...
[08:11] <DarkW0lf> Aero be damn! >:D
[08:12] <CroX> My laptop just now started to work like crazy, processor being at 90-100% usage. But when I check the System Monitor, nothing was shown to take that much.
[08:12] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: it downloaded some stuff whe i did and it refreshed itself, is that supposed to happen?
[08:12] <CroX> And now, apparently, 99% of the RAM is filled.
[08:12] <flipfone>  hi. i was using a pkg to build/install a new kernel it crapped out and now my package manager is broken all i get is .E: The package linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS> needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it i have located and removed all file that said <IP_ADDRESS> can anyone help?
[08:12] <MontoyaC> CroX: maybe a background service? Checking for updates?
[08:12] <DarkW0lf> I mean.. I collapsed the cube, and ran the benchtest on it, with a moving running in VLC media player and I was getting well over 100 FPS
[08:12] <wasme> Crox: top
[08:12] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: yes, now do a search for ccsm, and compiz-gnome and then mark both to install
[08:12] <Thornsberry> I have kind of a strange problem and don't know what to really do about it.
[08:13] <Thornsberry> I was wondering if someone might be able to help.
[08:13] <CroX> MontoyaC: Heh. You're right. I just got a update available notification. But how the *** can that fill my enitre RAM up?
[08:13] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok, thanks
[08:13] <DarkW0lf> though right now I'm running 46...
[08:13] <wasme> Crox: type that into the commandline ... it's a useful little program that'll show you what is using CPU cycles and memory.
[08:13] <Fyda> MontoyaC: The online upgrade would require the download of roughly 600+ MB of packages though (at least, this was my experience). It is _also_ possible to download the Alternate CD and use it as a repo in Synaptic (for an offline upgrade).
[08:13] <MontoyaC> CroX: I have no idea, are there a lot of updates???
[08:13] <DarkW0lf> then again it is an old AGP nVidia 6600GT
[08:13] <soldats> !ask
[08:13] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:13] <CroX> wasme: System Monitor seems to ge the GUI front end for that, no?
[08:13] <CroX> MontoyaC: One, of wine.
[08:14] <MontoyaC> Fyda: I'm thinking I'd rather just insert the CD I have and do an upgrade there, right?
[08:14] <MontoyaC> CroX: That makes no sense. Run top
[08:14] <wasme> Crox: I don't know, I don't use System Monitor. But posisbly, yes.
[08:14] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: when i did the search, all that come up was sdcc
[08:14] <DarkW0lf> Probably the best thing to do would be to download an Ubuntu live cd and run the upgrade startup
[08:14] <soldats> CroX, type top in a terminal
[08:14] <DarkW0lf> I do believe I saw one when I was installing
[08:14] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: did you enable the new repositories?
[08:14] <CroX> Yeah, I got top running.
[08:14] <MontoyaC> DarkW0lf: Yeah I have that... I'll do that
[08:14] <Thornsberry> I'm trying to read websites in Pashto and the font on them is all messed up.  Half the letters are in a different style of font and not connected like the Arabic script would be and I can't really read it at all.  But if I copy it and paste it into anything else it all goes to the same type of font without any problems.  Anyone know what could be causing the websites to be messed up like that or what I could do to fix it?
[08:14] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: i think so
[08:15] <Fyda> MontoyaC: Not sure about using the regular live CD for a full upgrade... I was told to use the alt CD.
[08:15] <CroX> The CPU isn't working that much anymore but the RAM is still filled up.
[08:15] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: there is other stuff you want to install--better double check
[08:15] <MontoyaC> Fyda: Hmm, darn
[08:15] <soldats> Thornsberry, it may be the sites fault
[08:15] <Thornsberry> It's like that on all of the websites though.
[08:15] <Fyda> MontoyaC: but if you can leave your computer on for those several hours, then I guess, go for it?
[08:15] <MontoyaC> Fyda: I'm so tired of burning Linux CD's -.-
[08:15] <Thornsberry> No matter which one I try to go to.
[08:15] <bazhang> Thornsberry: install language support
[08:15] <Fyda> MontoyaC: (for the online upgrade, I mean)
[08:16] <MontoyaC> Fyda: When I get back from my trip, sure
[08:16] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok, repositories under (settings>repositories) right?
[08:16] <Fyda> MontoyaC: Haha, I have a CD album full of different distro discs :D
[08:16] <Thornsberry> Any idea where I could get Pashto language support?
[08:16] <DarkW0lf> MontoyaC: get used to it :P
[08:16] <MontoyaC> I'm just glad I have Ubuntu working on my old laptop, kudos to Ubuntu for that
[08:16] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: yes
[08:16] <soldats> !phasto
[08:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phasto - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <DarkW0lf> me personally I got tired of having to restart Windows every time I tried to do anything
[08:16] <soldats> !pashto
[08:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pashto - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <Fyda> MontoyaC: It's always fun to try something new. And hey, a live CD can be useful for emergency rescue
[08:17] <CroX> MontoyaC: Seems as if FF is eating 375MB RAM.
[08:17] <DarkW0lf> and I've used Linux on again off again for about 4 years now
[08:17] <soldats> Thornsberry, google maybe
[08:17] <MontoyaC> CroX: That's so typical of FF, how many tabs do you have open? Any JS running?
[08:17] <Filled-void> CroX, HOw much ram do you have on your system again?
[08:17] <CroX> 1024MB
[08:17] <earlmred> wow, no language pack for pashto
[08:17] <CroX> Six tabs open. No running JS that I know of.
[08:17] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: can you give me kind of like a walkthrough?
[08:17] <soldats> CroX, theres a few ways to reduce that so i would google for the right things to do. it is a mem hog. or you could use a different browser
[08:18] <Filled-void> CroX, As said above FF does that alot :D . Out of curiosity do tyou have a service called trackerd in there?
[08:18] <DarkW0lf> I've used Fedora Core 2, CentOS, Redhat 9, and briefly used Gentoo. So far I'm liking Gutsy...
[08:18] <MontoyaC> CroX: I remember when that was a lot -.-
[08:18] <chronodekar> I'm new.
[08:18] <wasme> CroX: Firefox has memory leaks .. if you leave it open for several days it'll start eating a lot of memory.
[08:18] <MontoyaC> DarkW0lf: I've used Redhat. I wouldn't put anything other than ubuntu on my machines. So simple
[08:18] <earlmred> Thornsberry, try msttcorefonts
[08:18] <CroX> wasme: I just now opened it! :O
[08:18] <soldats> wasme, moar like a day
[08:18] <MontoyaC> DarkW0lf: Well, Ubuntu and Vista :-)
[08:18] <CroX> Filled-void: You mean an addon for FF?
[08:19] <chronodekar> Does anyone here know how to compile the debian installer?
[08:19] <DarkW0lf> MontoyaC: I've had trouble with older versions of Ubuntu
[08:19] <bazhang> Thornsberry: is pashto an Arabic language?
[08:19] <earlmred> Thornsberry, also make sure Arabic is installed
[08:19] <Filled-void> CroX, No a service calld trackerd in your system monitor its known to benotorious for eatign up memory sometimes :x
[08:19] <DarkW0lf> recently I had... 7.04 which didn't have WPA support for wireless
[08:19] <MontoyaC> DarkW0lf: I've only gotten into it recently. I've had trouble with the amd64 versions
[08:19] <beasty_> mm anyone here has a samsung printer ?
[08:19] <earlmred> Thornsberry, perhaps "ttf-kacst"
[08:19] <DarkW0lf> and I couldn't install nVidia updates cause it screwed up with Gnome
[08:20] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: what all do i click in the repositories?
[08:20] <CroX> It seems that I have trackerd running.
[08:20] <DarkW0lf> I think that's what my trouble was. it was a 64bit version
[08:20] <MontoyaC> DarkW0lf: I was on here yesterday trying to get 7.10 working with my ethernet card... had to install 7.04 instead
[08:20] <DarkW0lf> there's probably not enough support of 64bit yet...
[08:20] <Thornsberry> I found a Pashto language pack and tried to install it and got an error saying "Dependency is not satisfiable" what does that mean?
[08:20] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: did you enable the partner repositories? then hit reload? then search for compiz--that should come up with compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-gnome both of which you want
[08:20] <earlmred> the only thing i don't like about 64bit is lack of firefox plugins.
[08:20] <MontoyaC> DarkW0lf: The whole industry sucks at 64 bit support. It's sad
[08:20] <DarkW0lf> although... Gentoo AMD64 LiveCD installed rather seamlessly
[08:20] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok
[08:20] <bazhang> Thornsberry: where did you find it? in the repositories?
[08:21] <earlmred> having to run 32bit firefox to have plugins is, well, lame.
[08:21] <DarkW0lf> however I was in the dark ages for a while (Student with no internet for a year... Woe is me... :P ) and couldn't get updates
[08:21] <wasme> Thornsberry: are you using apt-get?
[08:21] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: where do i enable the partner repositories at?
[08:21] <DarkW0lf> that was... 2006.0 iirc
[08:21] <Thornsberry> I don't know how to use apt-get.
[08:21] <MontoyaC> DarkW0lf: Seriously, that story makes me cry. No Internet for a year? That's horrible
[08:21] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: i dont see where it says anything with "partner" in it
[08:21] <Thornsberry> This is my second day having Linux so I'm still trying to learn how to do everything.
[08:21] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: in the repositories settings--take a look around on the various tabs
[08:22] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang:ok
[08:22] <Thornsberry> I got the language pack from packages.ubuntu.com
[08:22] <DarkW0lf> MontoyaC: I survived... whether I survived with my sanity is another thing :P
[08:22] <DarkW0lf> then again I never claimed to be sane so meh :P
[08:22] <bazhang> Thornsberry: which version of Ubuntu? 7.10?
[08:22] <Thornsberry> I believe so.
[08:22] <Filled-void> Sigh Im having one of those connectivity days. What problems did you have with AMD64 MontoyaC
[08:22] <Thornsberry> Yeah, I am.
[08:23] <wasme> Thornsberry: don't d/l packgaes manually like that. Ubuntu will fetch them and d/l them for you along with required depedencies
[08:23] <MontoyaC> no amd64 just had graphics problems
[08:23] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gusty partner?
[08:23] <bazhang> Thornsberry: what is the default language? English?
[08:23] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: yes
[08:23] <MontoyaC> it was i386 gutsy that had connectivity problems... didn't like the broadcom drivers
[08:23] <Filled-void> MontoyaC, Laptop install?
[08:23] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhag: its been enabled
[08:23] <wasme> Thornsberry: The easiest way to do this would be to run synaptic .. .I'm not sure if it's installed by default however?
[08:23] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang^^
[08:23] <MontoyaC> Filled-void: Yes, this most recent beast of mine. Old laptop too.
[08:24] <DarkW0lf> MontoyaC: is that Ubuntu 64 bit problems?
[08:24] <Thornsberry> Yeah, the default language is English.
[08:24] <bazhang> search for those packages by searching for compiz in the search field now NeT_DeMoN
[08:24] <Filled-void> MontoyaC, Thers an article about settign up Gutsy for speed if you dare to try it . Its pretty interesting
[08:24] <pepsi_> hi
[08:24] <wasme> Thornsberry: go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[08:24] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok
[08:24] <MontoyaC> DarkW0lf: I don't have the 64 bit installed anymore. Not worth it.
[08:24] <pepsi_> where can i find the alternate cd for i386?
[08:24] <MontoyaC> Filled-void: Link?
[08:24] <Thornsberry> Okay, I'm there.
[08:24] <DarkW0lf> the problem I also had with 7.04 was no WPA support for wireless
[08:24] <Filled-void> MontoyaC, 1 sec
[08:24] <bazhang> !alternate
[08:24] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[08:24] <wasme> Thornsberry: if Synaptic Package Manager isn't listed then I'll tell you how to install it
[08:24] <DarkW0lf> it only had WEP support
[08:24] <Thornsberry> It's there.
[08:24] <Thornsberry> I have it open.
[08:24] <jxxt> wasme, I just searched synaptic no pashto
[08:25] <pepsi_> bazhang, im looking on cdimages.ubuntu.com.. i can find the i386 dvd and alternate cds for others platforms
[08:25] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok, what all do i install??
[08:25] <pepsi_> but not the alternate cd for i386
[08:25] <Filled-void> MontoyaC, http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/howto-set-up-gutsy-for-speed/ read it first before trying anything
[08:25] <jxxt> wasme, maybe my bad spelling :)
[08:25] <bazhang> you may want to try Ubuntu Muslim Edition Thornsberry, or reinstall and choose pashto as the default language
[08:26] <MontoyaC> Filled-void: Thanks!
[08:26] <Thornsberry> Well I don't want Pashto as the default language because I'm not that fluent in it yet.
[08:26] <wasme> ThornsBerry: ok, what's the name of the package you d/l'ed earlier?
[08:26] <Filled-void> MontoyaC, Yw
[08:26] <Thornsberry> It was language-pack-ps
[08:26] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: oy. ever heard of scrolling up? compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-gnome
[08:26] <Louis> hello, someone know how can i set my sound manager PCM lineal, not logarith
[08:26] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: yeah, my bad, you from australia???
[08:26] <Thornsberry> And Pashto wasn't even on the list of default languages, I checked.
[08:26] <wasme> Thornsberry: ok, click on the search button and type that in
[08:27] <pepsi_> hrm
[08:27] <JDahl> something very odd happened out of the blue with my keymapping in gnome, the <Fn> key is "reversed" in the sense that to get type the regular characters I have to press <Fn>.  Any suggestions of how to fix that?
[08:27] <bazhang> Thornsberry: it's listed as pushto in the repositories
[08:27] <pepsi_> ok, its on this here mirror, just not on cdimages.ubuntu.com
[08:27] <Thornsberry> Oh.
[08:27] <Thornsberry> I guess it depends who you talk to and how they pronounce it.
[08:28] <jxxt> no wonder I could not find it :))
[08:28] <bazhang> Thornsberry: sudo apt-get install language-pack-ps language-pack-ps-base in the terminal
[08:28] <arooni> what is the 'dreamweaver' for linux?
[08:28] <sethk> pepsi_, on this here mirror?  Y'all come back now, y'hear?
[08:28] <pepsi_> heh
[08:28] <wasme> Thornsberry: you can then select it to install from there ... but reading the description in synaptic you probably also want to install language-support-ps
[08:28] <sethk> pepsi_, sorry, couldn't resist.  :)
[08:28] <MontoyaC> arooni: Aptana or Screem
[08:28] <flipfone> can anyone help with a broken package manager?
[08:29] <pepsi_> s'aright.. i like saying "this here".. and "who now" and "what now" when asking who and what someone is talking about :D
[08:29] <Thornsberry> How do I install in through synaptic?
[08:29] <DarkW0lf> ok question. Is there any anti-aliasing stuff in Compiz Fusion?
[08:29] <Thornsberry> I tried the sudo apt-get install and it didn't work.
[08:29] <Thornsberry> It said permission denied.
[08:29] <Thornsberry> And asked, "are you root?"
[08:30] <Flannel> Thornsberry: Do you have synaptic open somewhere else?
[08:30] <DarkW0lf> do sudo
[08:30] <bazhang> language-pack-gnome-ps-base language-pack-gnome-ps also Thornsberry
[08:30] <wasme> Thornsberry: right click on the package you want installed in the upper right pane and select 'Mark for Installation'
[08:30] <jxxt> Thornsberry, it is sudo apt-get
[08:30] <wasme> Thornsberry: then click the 'apply' button on the button bar
[08:30] <bazhang> Thornsberry: first close synaptic :}
[08:30] <Thornsberry> I tried closing it and it said the same thing.
[08:31] <Flannel> Thornsberry: What exactly is the error?
[08:31] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: what all do i do now?
[08:31] <Filled-void> arooni, For further alternatives you can check http://linuxappfinder.com/alternatives also
[08:31] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: i installed all the things you told me to
[08:31] <Thornsberry> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[08:31] <Thornsberry> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[08:32] <wasme> Thornsberry: uh, you were asked for your password before running synaptic right?
[08:32] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: did you find them? then install them, and then open the ccsm (the new thing you installed) and set some choices up
[08:32] <Flannel> Thornsberry: and you have no other update-manager, add/remove, synaptic, aptitude, etc open?
[08:32] <Thornsberry> Yes I was.
[08:32] <MontoyaC> Thornsberry: Close everything except this and terminal
[08:32] <Filled-void> Thornsberry, Close all windows open other than your IRC client and then run sudo apt-get install on the package
[08:33] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: i havent opened ccsm yet, hold up
[08:33] <Thornsberry> It still says the same thing.  Could something be running in the background?
[08:33] <wasme> hmmm
[08:34] <MontoyaC> Thornsberry: I would restart... that happened to me once.
[08:34] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: open ccsm through the synaptic package manager?
[08:34] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: then check the key bindings for the things you want to run (key combos), type alt-f2, and in that box type compiz --replace if you have your video drivers properly installed you'll be able to get the 3d cube etc, if not, back to square one
[08:34] <Fyda> Thornsberry: In a terminal, what is the output of "ps x | grep apt"?
[08:34] <Thornsberry> I had just restarted before I joined.
[08:35] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: no, should be in settings--advanced desktop effects manager
[08:35] <\`slushpuppy`\> !gnome
[08:35] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[08:35] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok, thanks
[08:35] <Thornsberry> It is at 6334 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep apt
[08:35] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, Alsomake sure you set one of those boxes to 4 otherwise you dont get the cube :x Not sure which box it was will check in a second
[08:35] <bazhang> !aptfix | Thornsberry
[08:35] <ubotu> Thornsberry: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[08:35] <MontoyaC> thanks for your help everyone. I have a plane to catch!
[08:35] <bazhang> bye montoyac
[08:37] <Thornsberry> bazhang:  Okay I did that now try the apt-get install again?
[08:37] <bazhang> as Filled-void says NeT_DeMoN make sure to check in general settings (inside ccsm) horizontal virtual desktops is set to four
[08:37] <bazhang> Thornsberry: you did both of those commands? there are two there
[08:37] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok
[08:38] <bazhang> Thornsberry: the second command is sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:39] <Thornsberry> ON the sudo dpkg --configure -a it tells me that the operation requires superuser privilege.
[08:39] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: when i ran compiz through run, it just flashed the screen
[08:39] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: was that supposed to happen?
[08:39] <bazhang> Thornsberry: don't forget the sudo and then your password when it prompts you for it
[08:39] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: yes
[08:39] <Fyda> bazhang, NeT_DeMoN, Filled-void: Actually, the number of viewports can also be configured via the Workspace Switcher in the GNOME panel (it now also handles Compiz's horiz and vert size).
[08:40] <bazhang> Fyda: thanks for that!
[08:40] <Fyda> bazhang: (In Gutsy, anyway :P)
[08:40] <bazhang> hehe
[08:40] <NeT_DeMoN> fyda: gnome panel??
[08:41] <bazhang> the taskbar NeT_DeMoN
[08:41] <Fyda> bazhang: (Seems to be non-standard in GNOME though -- I'm looking at non-Ubuntu GNOME and it doesn't have that.)
[08:41] <Thornsberry> It doesn't ask for my password whenever I type it in.
[08:41] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: oh, ok
[08:41] <bazhang> Fyda: same here (kde) :}
[08:41] <bazhang> Thornsberry: with the sudo prepended?
[08:42] <sethk> Thornsberry, it remembers the password for some period of time, several minutes by default.
[08:42] <Thornsberry> I just typed the second command and it didn't do anything this time.
[08:42]  * bazhang realizes that kde is really non-standard gnome
[08:42] <NeT_DeMoN> i must not have my video card done right because i dont have the 3-D effect or is there something else i have to do for that?
[08:43] <Thornsberry> So what should I try now?
[08:43] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: you did say compiz would do that right?
[08:43] <ogre> how do I edit my conkyrc file?
[08:43] <chetnick> ogre
[08:43] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, Go to the terminal and type glxinfo :grep endering  (No theres no R)
[08:43] <ogre> chetnick:  yes?
[08:44] <Filled-void> glxinfo | grep endering ^
[08:44] <Thornsberry> bazhang:  Any idea?
[08:44] <dave_> anyone no what this shit is for
[08:44] <chetnick> ogre: zcat /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz > ~/.conkyrc
[08:45] <chetnick> ogre:  and than vi .conkyrc
[08:45] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: ok, how should i type it, like "glxinfo" then "grep endering" or all together??
[08:45] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: try some key combos that you have checked plugins for
[08:45] <chetnick> or pico conkyrc
[08:45] <ogre> chetnick:  thanks
[08:45] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok
[08:45] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, Copy the command :)
[08:45] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: ok
[08:45] <bazhang> Thornsberry: that should be ok then--try to install the packages now
[08:45] <chetnick> ogre here is nice tutorial for conky http://www.howtoforge.com/conky_system_monitor_on_ubuntu704
[08:46] <dave_> can anyone help me with an amarok problem ive been having it keeps saying it needs the right demux
[08:46] <bazhang> Thornsberry: for future reference--you can search for packages in the terminal with apt-cache search packagename
[08:46] <andruk> what do i need to backup before installing the proprietary nvidia driver?
[08:46] <bazhang> dave please watch your language :}
[08:46] <chetnick> andruk: i think xorg.cofn
[08:46] <dave_> sorry
[08:46] <chetnick> xorg.conf*
[08:47] <wasme> andruk: you might want to backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:47] <dave_> im just so frustrated with amarok
[08:47] <bazhang> dave_: for doing what? play mp3?
[08:47] <andruk> wasme: is that it?
[08:47] <chetnick> dave_ can you copy the error massage here ?
[08:47] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, What did it say?
[08:47] <dave_> hold on
[08:47] <Thornsberry> bazhang: Okay, it installed the three of them, now do I need to restart?
[08:47] <wasme> andruk: I think so. At least nothing else comes to mind that should be modified.
[08:47] <jaggz-> I'm still under Hoary
[08:48] <jaggz-> and my python2.4-dev won't install
[08:48] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: it said it was yes to the direct rendering
[08:48] <simion314> did you know that Internet Exploarer as 85% of the market ? and there are other good browser that can be used
[08:48] <bazhang> Thornsberry: should be four
[08:48] <andruk> wasme: thx
[08:48] <Thornsberry> Okay, I got it.
[08:48] <dave_> earlier it kept saying it couldnt play the radio streams due to not having demux handlers
[08:48] <bazhang> Thornsberry: logging out and back in should do it iirc
[08:48] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: welcome back by the way and thanks for your help
[08:48] <compwiz18> does the alt+f2 shortcut work in Kubuntu as it does in Gnome?
[08:49] <Thornsberry> Alright.
[08:49] <bazhang> dave_: shoutcast? or other please specify
[08:49] <bazhang> compwiz18: yes
[08:49] <compwiz18> bazhang: thanks
[08:49] <Thornsberry> bazhang: thanks for your help.
[08:49] <sethk> compwiz18, yes
[08:49] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, When you said you dont have 3d . What error did you get. Im having a bad connectivity day :/
[08:49] <bazhang> no worries
[08:49] <jaggz-> python2.4-dev says it depends on python2.4, but there is no python2.4.  Python 2.4 files are, however, installed on my system, but not from a package called "python2.4".
[08:49] <dave_> shoutcast and everything, amarok wont even come on now when i press the icon nothing happens
[08:49] <jaggz-> in fact, dpkg -s 'file in some python2.4 place' doesn't find a package
[08:50] <jaggz-> can I force-install python2.4-dev from aptitude?
[08:50] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: i can see but what do you mean?
[08:50] <bazhang> dave_: is this gutsy?
[08:50] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, Is there a certain error you get when you try to view the cube?
[08:50] <abhi> #apache-modules
[08:50] <dave_> yes
[08:50] <Thornsberry> bazhang: Nothing changed.
[08:50] <pecaso123> hi there
[08:51] <sethk> jaggz-, yes, there are flags to force it to install and ignore dependencies.
[08:51] <bazhang> dave_: try launching amarok from the terminal--see what error message comes up
[08:51] <DarkW0lf> hmm that's interesting
[08:51] <dave_> it wont work with gutsy ubuntu,kubutu,or edubuntu
[08:51] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: i have the cube but i dont know how to view it
[08:51] <Thornsberry> bazhang: it is still in two different fonts.
[08:51] <sethk> jaggz-, -f with apt-get, I believe
[08:52] <DarkW0lf> when I put my ms memory card into my card reader it immediately mounted it and even put an image to it so it was easy to find...
[08:52] <Thornsberry> bazhang:  Any other ideas that might help me fix it?
[08:52] <bazhang> Thornsberry: hmm--perhaps there are fonts to install--or something to add to firefox; not much of a pushto/pashto reader myself so flying in the dark :}
[08:52] <chetnick> dave_: sudo apt-get install amarok-engines amarok-xine libarts1-xine libxine1 libxine1-console libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-gnome libxine1-kde libxine1-plugins
[08:52] <dave_> bazhang: do you know of any other good music apps that provide some good music streams
[08:52] <chetnick> and restart amarok
[08:52] <chetnick> it should work
[08:52] <jaggz-> sethk, trying..
[08:53] <jaggz->   python2.4-dev: Depends: python2.4 (= 2.4.1-0) but 2.4.1-0ubuntu0.2 is to be installed
[08:53] <bazhang> dave_: exaile, rhythmbox, songbird (not sure about the last)
[08:53] <jaggz-> apt-get install python2.4 says: python2.4 is already the newest version.
[08:53] <Thornsberry> bazhang: I instaled some fonts and it started showing the letters that it didn't have before but now it is more messed up than it was.
[08:53] <bazhang> dave_: maybe first listen to chetnick and fix amarok :}
[08:53] <sethk> jaggz-, it that doesn't do it, you'll need to use dpkg
[08:54] <sethk> jaggz-, it has --ignore-depends=python2.4.1-0
[08:54] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, Im assuming you enabled Rotate Cube from CCSM and then set the number of walls to 4
[08:54] <bazhang> Thornsberry: is this pushto only, or mixed arabic and pushto
[08:55] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: yeah
[08:55] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, Further you have to set Appearance to Extra You want to do this first and then the other step above
[08:55] <Thornsberry> bazhang: Well Pashto uses the Arabic script but has a few letters that are unique just to itself that it adds to the alphabet.
[08:55] <jaggz-> sethk, that's it.. hmm.. how do I download the packages from the default locations (I can just get them from web search if necessary)
[08:55] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: where do i do that at??
[08:55] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, If you did these what happesn when you press Ctrl + Shift + Left mouse button and drag it
[08:56] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, Er not shift alt
[08:56] <bazhang> Thornsberry: then you need to install the arabic language support as well--apt-cache search arabic will tell you which, or you can do it via synaptic
[08:56] <Filled-void> Net System > Preferences >Appearance
[08:56] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN,  System > Preferences >Appearance
[08:56] <Thornsberry> bazhang: Do you think that I might have to find the unicode font for Pashto and install that?
[08:56] <dave_> chetnick: do i put those commands in seperate or as one sudo command
[08:56] <jaggz-> like, apt-get download .. :)  the -d (download only) option doesn't seem to work, but might if the dependencies didn't fail.
[08:56] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: ok
[08:56] <Wing> Is there a util that will search the filesystem for broken symlinks (and won't get trapped in recursive symlinks)
[08:57] <jaggz-> (that is, apt-get -d install python2.4-dev doesn't work either)
[08:57] <bazhang> Thornsberry: perhaps, as well as installing the arabic language packs
[08:57] <dave_> sorry im new to the command line
[08:57] <Thornsberry> bazhang: The Arabic works fine.
[08:57] <jaggz-> Wing, do you have one which gets trapped in recursive symlinks?  :)
[08:57] <dave_> but not completely new
[08:57] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, Now does pressing ctrl + alt +left mouse (drag the mouse while you do it) show a cube
[08:57] <Thornsberry> bazhang:  It's just a problem with the Pashto.
[08:57] <chetnick> dave_: just copy what i wrote
[08:57] <DarkW0lf> how many windows haters are there in the channel? :P
[08:57] <chetnick> dave_: sudo apt-get install amarok-engines amarok-xine libarts1-xine libxine1 libxine1-console libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-gnome libxine1-kde libxine1-plugins
[08:57] <jaggz-> don't be a hater
[08:57] <dave_> me
[08:57] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: when i did that, it took the cube away
[08:57] <chetnick> starting with sudo
[08:57] <bazhang> DarkW0lf: offtopic, but apparently at least one :}
[08:57] <Wing> jaggz- : No, just anticipating a dumb problem
[08:57] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, So you get the cube?
[08:57] <chetnick> and paste in the command line
[08:58] <dave_> i hate windows, love ubuntu and thank you chetnick
[08:58] <NeT_DeMoN> filled-void: i had the cube
[08:58] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: it works?
[08:58] <Filled-void> NeT_DeMoN, gah I must have misunderstood
[08:58] <DarkW0lf> dave_: trouble with Amarok?
[08:58] <Fyda> DarkW0lf: Hating is not necessary, and may not even be right, but it is still practised nonetheless. And that's all I'll say of that.
[08:59] <bazhang> haha
[08:59] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: it did, just with out the 3-D effect
[08:59] <dave_> Reading package lists... Done
[08:59] <dave_> Building dependency tree
[08:59] <dave_> Reading state information... Done
[08:59] <dave_> amarok-xine is already the newest version.
[08:59] <dave_> amarok-xine set to manual installed.
[08:59] <dave_> libxine1 is already the newest version.
[08:59] <DarkW0lf> no 3D?
[08:59] <dave_> libxine1 set to manual installed.
[08:59] <bazhang> cube without 3D? huh?
[08:59] <dave_> Package libxine1-kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:59] <dave_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:59] <dave_> is only available from another source
[08:59] <dave_> However the following packages replace it:
[08:59] <dave_>   libxine1-plugins
[08:59] <dave_> E: Package libxine1-kde has no installation candidate
[08:59] <JDahl> do more people have problems with inverted Function keys in gnome atter recent updates in 7.04?
[08:59] <jaggz-> Wing, hopefully a developer of such an app has kept that in mind.. but i can imagine a simple script not handling it.  :)
[08:59] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: yeah, like your talking about with the zoom out right??
[08:59] <DarkW0lf> I got Amarok to install easily in Gnome
[09:00] <dave_> it seems like its not recognizing amarok
[09:00] <DarkW0lf> well it seems to be running fine anyway...
[09:00] <poeticrpm> are there any apps that are designed for KDE that dont work in Gnome, and vice versa? Just curious
[09:00] <DarkW0lf> JDahl: inverted function keys?
[09:01] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: there are a ton of effects to play with--you need to enable them in ccsm and then find the correct keybindings for each and try them out--I would recommend the scale effect
[09:01] <chetnick> poeticrpm: almost all of them
[09:01] <bazhang> JDahl: in 7.04?
[09:01] <DarkW0lf> poeticrpm: there are some that may struggle
[09:01] <dave_> when i click on the amarok icon it just does nothing
[09:01] <DarkW0lf> but most should be fine
[09:01] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: ok
[09:01] <susscorfa> every time i reboot my window selection rules are reset, i want them to not raise when the mouse is over them
[09:01] <Wing> jaggz-: If there's one thing working in software has taught me, it's that most developers can't tell their arse from a paper bag.
[09:01] <bazhang> dave_: try launching it from the terminal and see what the error messages are
[09:02] <tarelerulz> if any of the Ubuntu dev people here this  someone make an easy way to install from an usb thumb strike.  That could be very useful .  best reason is You could add changs to the install files on the usb thumb strike and thus make the install better or different as you see fit. Plus USB thumb drives are getting bigger all the time something to think of for the future . Plus great job on the windows installer for Ubuntu great idea
[09:02] <dave_> how
[09:02] <JDahl> DarkW0lf: yes, to type regular characters I have to press the <Fn> key on my laptop
[09:02] <chetnick> dave_: reinstall amarok, type sudo-apt get remove amarok, and than
[09:02] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: it just says scale right?
[09:02] <chetnick> dave_: sudo apt-get install amarok-engines amarok-xine libarts1-xine libxine1 libxine1-console libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-gnome libxine1-kde libxine1-plugins
[09:02] <poeticrpm> yeah, I know there is some bugs, but i was under they all worked to some extent.. ive never had problems, although I stick mostly to one or the other DE
[09:02] <chetnick> ups
[09:02] <ogre> how do i open my conkyrc up in gedit?
[09:02] <chetnick> mistake :)
[09:02] <bazhang> tarelerulz: pendrivelinux.com has the answer
[09:02] <andruk> after switching over to the proprietary graphics driver (nvidia) and rebooting, my comp froze on login, and ctrl+alt+F1 didnt do anything.  where do i go from here?
[09:02] <mattycoze> does anyone know what peerguardian equivalent would be for linux?
[09:02] <chetnick> and than
[09:02] <JDahl> bazhang: yes
[09:02] <chetnick> dave_: sudo apt-get install amarok amarok-engines amarok-xine libarts1-xine libxine1 libxine1-console libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-gnome libxine1-kde libxine1-plugins
[09:02] <DarkW0lf> chetnick: could synaptic Package Manager be easier to install Amarok?
[09:02] <bazhang> moblock?
[09:02] <poeticrpm> gedit /home/user/.conkyrc
[09:03] <andruk> mattycoze: moblock
[09:03] <DarkW0lf> or Add/Remove?
[09:03] <chetnick> DarkW0lf: it might be i dont know
[09:03] <chetnick> i solved my problem
[09:03] <chetnick> like this
[09:03] <tarelerulz> Bazhang you sure you understand what I am talking about. I don't install to a USB thumbstick ,but from one ? us it like you would a live cd .
[09:03] <mattycoze> andruk yeah i had moblock a while ago, but couldn't find much information about it
[09:03] <poeticrpm> ogre, that work?
[09:03] <mattycoze> i thought the project was dead andruk
[09:03] <bazhang> tarelerulz: check the link
[09:03] <dave_>  sudo-apt get remove amarok
[09:03] <dave_> bash: sudo-apt: command not found
[09:04] <cherva> anyone keen to help me make a nautilus script that makes a folder with the name of a selected file and copy that file there
[09:04] <chetnick> sudo apt-get remove amarok
[09:04] <poeticrpm> sudo apt-get remove amarok
[09:04] <DarkW0lf> cause if I remember, I just wen to Applications > Add/Remove and selected Amarok from the list of Supported applications
[09:04] <andruk> mattycoze: im in the same boat, but i thought somebody was making a gui for it
[09:04] <ogre> poeticrpm:  well it opened gedit just an empty file though
[09:04] <bazhang> dave_: that is sudo apt-get
[09:04] <mattycoze> andruk that would be orgasmic
[09:04] <mattycoze> ... lol if it were true :p
[09:04] <dave_> cool
[09:04] <mattycoze> (silence)
[09:04] <ogre> poeticrpm:  so i dont think so
[09:04] <dave81> is there any way to connect a xbox 360 to my pc?
[09:04] <andruk> mattycoze: *blink*
[09:05] <dave_> sudo apt-get remove amarok
[09:05] <dave_> Reading package lists... Done
[09:05] <dave_> Building dependency tree
[09:05] <dave_> Reading state information... Done
[09:05] <dave_> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[09:05] <dave_>   libgsf-gnome-1-114 xulrunner-1.9 libboost-thread1.34.1
[09:05] <dave_>   libboost-date-time1.34.1
[09:05] <dave_> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[09:05] <dave_> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[09:05] <dave_>   amarok amarok-xine
[09:05] <poeticrpm> ogre.. open up nautilus, navigate to your home folder, and select "Show Hidden" in the view menu.. do you see a file named .conkyrc?
[09:05] <dave_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:05] <bazhang> dave81: with a usb cable? :}
[09:05] <dave_> Need to get 0B of archives.
[09:05] <dave_> After unpacking 32.0MB disk space will be freed.
[09:05] <dave_> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[09:05] <chetnick> y
[09:05] <dave_> (Reading database ... 142535 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:05] <dave_> Removing amarok ...
[09:05] <dave_> Removing amarok-xine ...
[09:05] <dave_> ok now
[09:05] <chetnick> and than sudo apt-get autoremove
[09:05] <andruk> mattycoze: there seems to be an update: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=192559
[09:05] <amitprakash> !pastebin | dave_
[09:05] <ubotu> dave_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:05] <chetnick> and than
[09:05] <chetnick> dave_: sudo apt-get install amarok amarok-engines amarok-xine libarts1-xine libxine1 libxine1-console libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-gnome libxine1-kde libxine1-plugins
[09:06] <tarelerulz> What I mean by use an usb drive is use the usb like you would a live cd .  Use it to install Ubuntu to the hard drive like you would use an installer cd .  Next step to me.
[09:06] <amitprakash> chetnick, is ur name a pun on net and chick?
[09:06] <NeT_DeMoN> what does the water effect do?
[09:06] <NeT_DeMoN> i enabled it but i dont see a difference
[09:06] <DarkW0lf> tarelerulz: you need a program to make the usb bootable iirc
[09:06] <poeticrpm> ogre, do you see it?
[09:06] <bazhang> tarelerulz: already exists--if you checked the link you would know that :}
[09:06] <mosno> NeT_DeMoN: nothing much. wear an umbrella.
[09:06] <dave_> sorry
[09:06] <dave_> wont do it again
[09:06] <rico> hey guys, my CD won't automount (but I can mount it manually). where should I start looking to debug this?
[09:06] <NeT_DeMoN> mosno:lol
[09:06] <ogre> poeticrpm:  so ahh i got it. thanks alot :)
[09:06] <poeticrpm> dave, its cool
[09:07] <chetnick> try synaptic manager
[09:07] <poeticrpm> ogre: no problem :)
[09:07] <chetnick> you welcome ogre
[09:07] <chetnick> ;)
[09:07] <NeT_DeMoN> what is its purpose though?
[09:07] <chetnick> amitprakash: spitaru
[09:07] <chetnick> ili siptaru
[09:07] <dave_> it says libxine is already the newest version
[09:07] <bazhang> NeT_DeMoN: to fill our heads with eye-candy?
[09:07] <DarkW0lf> dave_: If you can, try going to Applications > Add/Remove Applications
[09:08] <NeT_DeMoN> bazhang: lol
[09:08] <DarkW0lf> click on Sound & Video and click on Amarok from the list. Well that's how I did it anyway
[09:08] <ogre> chetnick:  I told u thank you earlier ;P
[09:08] <dave_> amarok no longer has a x in its box
[09:08] <mattycoze> andruk any news about when they might ahve a frontend up for moblock?
[09:08] <Jordan_U> rico, Probably a problem with HAL, try "sudo invoke-rc.d hal restart"
[09:08] <DarkW0lf> it SHOULD start a synaptic install
[09:09] <amitprakash> chetnick, whats a spitaru?
[09:09] <NeT_DeMoN> i like the windows preview, i thought after i got rid of vista i would never have it again :D
[09:09] <dave_> do a synaptic install
[09:09] <tarelerulz> Bazhang , I did not mean not to read it . I was just make use  You understood what i was talking about . that is all
[09:09] <mattycoze> and thx for the link andruk installing the backend now :p
[09:09] <chetnick> ogre: i didnt say you are welcome
[09:09] <chetnick> :)
[09:09]  * DarkW0lf shrugs
[09:09] <bazhang> tarelerulz: indeed :}
[09:09] <DarkW0lf> Linux isn't straight forward :P
[09:09] <DarkW0lf> then again nothing is :P
[09:09] <tarelerulz> Moblock don't work well on Ubuntu 7.10 for me at. I blocked web pages all which is very lame