[01:16] <Ubulette> any error message ?
[01:17] <Ubulette> try with xulrunner-1.9 and xulrunner-1.9-dom-inspector
[01:18] <searayman> wait try what?
[01:18] <Ubulette> apt-get install xulrunner-1.9 xulrunner-1.9-dom-inspector
[01:18] <Ubulette> it's in gutsy now
[01:18] <searayman> ok
[01:19] <Ubulette> i've made that mandatory in the next webrunner
[01:20] <searayman> Ubulette: ok still doesnt work
[01:20] <searayman> i am uploadign a screenshot for you
[01:20] <Ubulette> ok
[01:20] <searayman> Ubulette: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2415/1509217951_a86c5539fe_o.png
[01:21] <searayman> thast what i get when i try and run google docs
[01:21] <Ubulette> plz show me the result of : update-alternatives --display xulrunner
[01:22] <searayman> Ubulette: mike@mike-desktop:~$ update-alternatives --display xulrunner
[01:22] <searayman> xulrunner - status is auto.
[01:22] <searayman>  link currently points to /usr/lib/xulrunner/xulrunner
[01:22] <searayman> /usr/lib/xulrunner/xulrunner - priority 50
[01:22] <searayman> /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8/xulrunner - priority 50
[01:22] <searayman> Current `best' version is /usr/lib/xulrunner/xulrunner.
[01:22] <searayman> mike@mike-desktop:~$
[01:22] <Ubulette> bingo
[01:22] <Ubulette> you're running xulrunner 1.8
[01:22] <searayman> ok sooo how do i fix this?
[01:23] <Ubulette> you just need to swap.
[01:23] <Ubulette> sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner
[01:23] <Ubulette> select the other one
[01:24] <searayman> There are 2 alternatives which provide `xulrunner'.
[01:24] <searayman>   Selection    Alternative
[01:24] <searayman> -----------------------------------------------
[01:24] <searayman> *+        1    /usr/lib/xulrunner/xulrunner
[01:24] <searayman>           2    /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8/xulrunner
[01:24] <searayman> Press enter to keep the default[*] , or type selection number:
[01:24] <searayman> which do i do 1 or 2
[01:24] <Ubulette> 2
[01:24] <searayman> whcih one should i enter?
[01:24] <searayman> ok
[01:24] <Ubulette> btw, I have a fix for that
[01:24] <searayman> cool it worked!!! thansk
[01:25] <Ubulette> good
[01:25] <searayman> now i just need a webapp for iscrybe......
[01:25] <Ubulette> btw, who told you to ping me ? ;)
[01:25] <searayman> gnomefreak on the ubuntu channel
[01:25] <Ubulette> oh, ok
[01:26] <Ubulette> so, enjoy :)
[01:26] <searayman> thansk
[01:26] <searayman> are webapps hard to make?
[01:26] <searayman> can i just give it a url to make a webapp for?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> yeah i didnt feel comfortable with some of his questions and thats your baby ;)\
[01:27] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, hey, thanks
[01:27] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: anytime, i mow need to hope studio people are up ;)
[01:28] <Ubulette> http://wiki.mozilla.org/WebRunner:Bundle#HowTo
[01:29] <Ubulette> it's quite easy
[01:29] <Ubulette> be sure to include an icon
[01:29] <searayman> i noticed that in the google docs one the cursor which shows where your typing is invisible...
[01:30] <searayman> also once i put all this into a file [Parameters]
[01:30] <searayman><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:30] <searayman> uri=http://[the-url-what-you-want-to-connect-to] /
[01:30] <searayman> status=yes
[01:30] <searayman> location=no
[01:30] <searayman> sidebar=no
[01:30] <searayman> navigation=no
[01:31] <searayman> it says zip it up with a .webapp how do i make the .webapp
[01:31] <Ubulette> just name your zip .webapp instead of .zip
[01:31] <Ubulette> have a look in /usr/share/webrunner/
[01:32] <searayman> ok and how do i set an icon?
[01:32] <Ubulette> put it in the zip with the right name
[01:33] <searayman> whta name do i give it, liek where in the code to i tell it to use that icon...
[01:34] <searayman> and in that code do i put the link inside the brackets or shoudl i get rid of them?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> this doesnt look easy
[01:35] <searayman> no i think i get it
[01:35] <searayman> i am looking at the other one i just downloaded
[01:37] <searayman> Ubulette: does the id have to be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:40] <searayman> Ubulette: you there? coudl u check my trial of this?
[01:41] <Ubulette> well, if it works for you, you're good to go
[01:43] <gnomefreak> is there something that will compress tighter than tar?
[01:43] <Ubulette> the id is supposed to be a unique identifier so somethingidentifyingyourapp@yourdomain
[01:43] <Ubulette> tar doesnt compress, it packs
[01:43] <gnomefreak> need mp3s the tightest i can get it
[01:44] <gnomefreak> tars do compress afaik (you tar up text files it makes them smaller)
[01:46] <Ubulette> tar.gz or .tar.bz2 are compressed
[01:46] <Ubulette> tar alone isn't
[01:46] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:46] <searayman> Ubulette: what if i don't have a domain?
[01:46] <gnomefreak> thats what i meant since i dont use /tar/ alone
[01:46] <Ubulette> searayman, use a fake one, it's just an id
[01:46] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, bz2 is usually better than gz
[01:47] <Ubulette> but for mp3, no luck, it's already a compressed format
[01:47] <searayman> Ubulette: ok but then how do i zip em?
[01:47] <gnomefreak> i know zip cant handle the size that tar.* can but are they tighter?
[01:47] <Ubulette> searayman, put all the files in a dir, zip the content then rename the zip
[01:48] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, what ?
[01:48] <searayman> zip it as in select the .ini. and the icon and then right click and pick archive?
[01:48] <Ubulette> yes
[01:49] <Ubulette> just have a look at one existing webapp
[01:49] <searayman> ok i did all this and mine didnt work
[01:49] <Ubulette> under ubuntu, you'll need your icon to be .xpm
[01:49] <searayman> can i host it on mediafire and send it to u to chekc out?
[01:50] <Ubulette> yep but it's late here, 2am. could it wait tomorrow ?
[01:51] <Ubulette> the idea is to do foo.webapp, a zip containing webapp.ini and foo.{ico,xpm,icns}
[01:51] <Ubulette> ico for win, xpm for unix and icns probably for mac
[01:54] <gnomefreak> zip cant handle files over (example 1gig) where as tars can handle up to 2gigs(again example
[01:54] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, you have mp3 bigger than 1G ?
[01:55] <Ubulette> waaa
[01:55] <Ubulette> depends on the content
[01:55] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: not per mp3 no but amount of mp3s i would like to back up oh yes
[01:56] <Ubulette> try 7zip but with mp3, you'll never gain much
[01:56] <gnomefreak> as it stands total is 2.2gigs
[01:56] <Ubulette> some people convert their mp3 to another format
[01:56] <Ubulette> I don't
[01:57] <gnomefreak> i dont like to either personally i know its one of the bigger formats but thats only 1 price to pay
[01:57] <Ubulette> ogg is usually smaller
[01:57] <gnomefreak> im looking at hacking them is one reason to back them up now
[01:58] <Ubulette> but I prefer quality over size so I prefer flac or mp3 320k
[01:58] <Ubulette> 192k min
[01:58] <Ubulette> space is cheap nowadays
[02:00] <gnomefreak> dvd can have muxic bunt to it?
[02:00] <gnomefreak> burnt
[02:00] <gnomefreak> music
[02:00] <gnomefreak> oh hell you know what i mean
[02:01] <Ubulette> you mean, as data ? dvdr yes
[02:01] <Ubulette> dvd audio is something else
[02:01] <Ubulette> a format of its own
[02:01] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:02] <Ubulette> for dvd audio, you need authoring tools
[02:02] <gnomefreak> i just know the blank dvds i have are single without overlay and 4.7 gigs
[02:02] <Ubulette> that's the disk :)
[02:02] <Ubulette> not the format
[02:03] <Ubulette> "E16 version <IP_ADDRESS> is now available for download"
[02:03] <gnomefreak> it always has been
[02:04] <gnomefreak> yes i know i am thinking burning one bug tar.gz to dvd just to use as a backup instead of 10 cds
[02:04] <gnomefreak> s/bug/big
[02:05] <Ubulette> test first. tar.gz a dozen mp3, compare the size
[02:06] <Ubulette> i bet on nada
[02:06] <Ubulette> no gain
[02:06] <Ubulette> maybe even bigger
[02:06] <Ubulette> imho, it's not worth the time. just put your mp3 directly on the disc in dirs
[02:06] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[02:07] <gnomefreak> they are in my music dir
[02:07] <gnomefreak> not helpfull if something happens
[02:07] <Ubulette> as long as it's not a flat, that will do
[02:07] <gnomefreak> than i have to rip all 20 cds over again, im not even done yet
[02:07] <Ubulette> ?
[02:07] <Ubulette> what
[02:07] <Ubulette> no, do a data disk
[02:07] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:09] <gnomefreak> trying to aviod having 10 cds full of tars that was point of trying with dvd since it holds me
[02:09] <Ubulette> if it's just for backup, data disc is the best/fastest/easier
[02:09] <gnomefreak> more
[02:09] <Ubulette> dvdr could hold data too
[02:09] <Ubulette> well, 2pm i need some sleep
[02:10] <gnomefreak> night
[02:11] <Ubulette> users are complaining that gp a7 is no longer in gutsy
[02:11] <Ubulette> as a8 wiped it but remained in queue
[02:11] <Ubulette> too bad
[02:11] <Ubulette> ok, bed time
[02:11] <Ubulette> 'night
[02:24] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: gnomefreak@Gutsy:~$ policy firefox-granparadiso
[02:24] <gnomefreak> firefox-granparadiso: Installed: 3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu6
[02:24] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Gutsy:~$ apt-cache madison firefox-granparadiso
[02:24] <gnomefreak> firefox-3.0 | 3.0~alpha8-0ubuntu1 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources
[02:25] <gnomefreak> only the sources are there, no binaries yet as it seems
[10:18] <Mirv> asac: any news on the ubufox update? are you planning it before the gutsy, still? or maybe gutsy-updates otherwise?
[10:28] <Mirv> asac: I also now put the changes together as a patch in bug 139380
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139380 in ubufox "Untranslated strings in ubufox" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139380
[10:48] <Ubulette> hi
[10:48] <bluekuja> heya ubotu
[10:48] <bluekuja> :D
[10:48] <Ubulette> asac, could you please investigate why ff3 is still stuck in queue?
[10:48] <bluekuja> * Ubulette
[10:48] <bluekuja> :)
[10:48] <bluekuja> how are you today?
[10:48] <Ubulette> maybe admins want us to do something
[10:49] <Ubulette> bluekuja, I'm good, you ?
[10:49] <Ubulette> i'm late too
[10:49] <bluekuja> fine here thanks :)
[10:49] <bluekuja> I was waiting asac as well
[10:49] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=firefox
[10:50] <Ubulette> i have to go.
[10:50] <Ubulette> see you all ~8pm
[10:50] <bluekuja> ok, have fun
[10:50] <bluekuja> :)
[10:52] <asac> Ubulette: as i said yesterday ... stuck because of broken depends
[10:52] <Ubulette> oh, asac, if we have to change something in xul, please try to integrate xul.dev #54 as current is hurting people with 1.8 installed + webrunner
[10:53] <Ubulette> depends broken ? it's fully built
[10:53] <asac> yeah ;) ... see bzr branch
[10:53] <asac> Ubulette: you should definitly subscribe to bugmail ;)
[10:53] <bluekuja> heya asac :)
[10:54] <asac> bluekuja: whats up?
[10:54] <bluekuja> asac: lightning upload got a problem, the section was "internet" but it does not exist
[10:54] <bluekuja> asac: I'm fixing and uploading a new revision
[10:54] <asac> bluekuja: yes thanks
[10:54] <bluekuja> asac: libagg is on
[10:54] <bluekuja> asac: there should be a mail with links on your box
[10:54] <asac> bluekuja: is there a bug open?
[10:55] <bluekuja> asac: nope, mertiki sent me a mail
[10:55] <bluekuja> yesterday I guess
[10:55] <asac> bluekuja: you really have to open one so RMs can see in your changelog entry
[10:55] <asac> bluekuja: and document the bug in changelog
[10:55] <bluekuja> asac: ok, I open a bug for them
[10:55] <asac> good
[10:56] <bluekuja> asac: do you have a minute to look at agg?
[10:56] <bluekuja> asac: builds twice fine and everything is ok
[10:56] <bluekuja> asac: who are RMs?
[10:57] <asac> slangasek
[10:57] <bluekuja> oh k^^
[10:57] <asac> is our new power RM
[10:57] <bluekuja> yeah, steve langasek
[10:57] <asac> bluekuja: you can ask on #ubuntu-release i gues ...
[10:57] <asac> you have to tell them that your bug should be milestoned for -rc
[10:57] <asac> then upload a package that closes that -rc bug
[10:58] <bluekuja> asac: also if the package is in universe?
[10:58] <bluekuja> there's no freeze for universe atm
[10:58] <bluekuja> except new
[10:58] <asac> no idea ;)
[10:58] <asac> then you have to just ask RMs to let it in
[10:58] <bluekuja> asac: yup
[10:59] <bluekuja> asac: I guess opening a bug is not needed
[10:59] <bluekuja> I just upload a fix and I ping pitti
[10:59] <bluekuja> ;)
[10:59] <asac> bluekuja: ping before ... bugs are good to be sure
[10:59] <bluekuja> ok
[11:02] <bluekuja> asac: [11:01:31]  <pitti> but for mere bug fixes, the door can be open for very long
[11:02] <bluekuja> I open the bug
[11:03] <bluekuja> and I link it inside debian/changelog as alwais
[11:03] <asac> bluekuja: yes ... its definitly better to have one ... then on upload paste the debdiff there too so RMs can easily review
[11:04] <bluekuja> asac: bug fixes wont go inside approving queue
[11:04] <bluekuja> if they are just bug fixes
[11:04] <bluekuja> they get accepted automatically for now
[11:04] <bluekuja> anyway I'm opening a bug atm
[11:04] <bluekuja> and I attach a rationale
[11:05] <asac> bluekuja: how do they detect bugfixes automatically? probably through changes?
[11:05] <asac> bluekuja: yeah;)
[11:05] <bluekuja> asac: yup
[11:05] <bluekuja> they check closes-lp on .changes file
[11:05] <asac> bluekuja: good :) then i did it right, right from the beginning
[11:06] <bluekuja> :)
[11:06] <bluekuja> asac: It would be great if you can check agg as soon as you can, and if you need any explanation I'm here
[11:09] <asac> bluekuja: i added to todo
[11:09] <bluekuja> :)
[11:09] <asac> will be done ... i guess you send mail, right?
[11:09] <bluekuja> asac: yup
[11:09] <bluekuja> asac: you plan to do it today?
[11:09] <bluekuja> or ?
[11:09] <asac> yes
[11:09] <bluekuja> you rock thanks
[11:10] <asac> unless something hard pops-up of course (e.g. new grave bug for some main package i maintain)
[11:11] <bluekuja> ah yeah :)
[11:11] <bluekuja> asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-extension-locales/+bug/150492
[11:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150492 in lightning-extension-locales "0.5-0ubuntu1 revision failed to upload" [Undecided,New]
[11:12] <bluekuja> asac: now grabbing source, fixing and pushing
[11:12] <asac> bluekuja: thanks ... at least test if the translation works at all :)
[11:13] <bluekuja> asac: yup i will
[11:13] <asac> Ubulette: is python functional in xul?
[11:13] <asac> Ubulette: i wonder if I can write a python xpcom componentn :)
[11:14] <asac> for launchpad-webrunner
[11:14] <asac> because we have a python API for launchpad already
[11:14] <asac> hehe ... i gained 400+ karma points yesterady
[11:14] <asac> ;)
[11:14] <asac> not bad for weekend
[11:15] <bluekuja> :D
[11:15] <bluekuja> asac: I downloaded lightning-extension
[11:15] <bluekuja> now installing it
[11:15] <bluekuja> and then locales
[11:15] <asac> bluekuja: you can test like:
[11:15] <asac> LANG=de_DE thunderbird
[11:15] <asac> or export LANG=de_DE
[11:15] <asac> thunderbird
[11:16] <asac> probably same for it_TI
[11:16] <asac> it_IT
[11:16] <bluekuja> ok
[11:16] <bluekuja> asac: so the extension is not needed to be installed then?
[11:16] <asac> bluekuja: yes it is
[11:17] <bluekuja> oki
[11:17] <asac> lightning-extension-locale-xx should depend on lignthing-extension
[11:17] <asac> doesn't it?
[11:17] <asac> if it doesn't please add the depends as well
[11:17] <asac> but i hope it does
[11:17] <bluekuja> let me see
[11:18] <bluekuja> Depends: lightning-extension (>= 0.5), lightning-extension (<< 0.5.1)
[11:18] <bluekuja> yup, it does
[11:18] <bluekuja> now I fix, build, test and push
[11:32] <bluekuja> asac: why some locales got Homepage:
[11:32] <bluekuja> empty?
[11:33] <bluekuja> is it normal?
[11:35] <asac> he?
[11:36] <asac> where do you see that?
[11:37] <bluekuja> inside description field
[11:37] <bluekuja> e.g
[11:37] <bluekuja>  Hungarian menus and messages for lightning-extension.
[11:37] <bluekuja>  .
[11:37] <bluekuja>  Homepage:
[11:39] <bluekuja> asac: if it's normal, I push
[11:39] <bluekuja> it works nice
[11:39] <bluekuja> ;)
[11:43] <bluekuja> asac: maybe there's no homepages for those
[11:48] <asac> bluekuja: where do you see this problem=
[11:48] <asac> ?
[11:48] <bluekuja> asac: lightning-extension-locale-pa-in
[11:48] <bluekuja> for example
[11:48] <bluekuja> asac: lightning-extension-locale-mn another
[11:49] <bluekuja> lightning-extension-locale-sl as well
[11:53] <asac> bluekuja: i don't understand which homepage you mean
[12:03] <bluekuja> asac: in debian/control
[12:03] <bluekuja> asac: every locale got a description
[12:03] <bluekuja> asac: with an Homepage:
[12:03] <bluekuja> at the end
[12:04] <bluekuja> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686/
[12:06] <bluekuja> asac: what should I do?
[12:06] <bluekuja> leave them as they are
[12:06] <bluekuja> ?
[12:21] <asac> bluekuja: looking
[12:21] <asac> bluekuja: ah ... in package description? ... its safe to ignore ig uess
[12:22] <bluekuja> asac: so I leave it?
[12:23] <asac> yes
[12:26] <bluekuja> ok
[12:26] <bluekuja> pushing
[12:27] <asac> thanks
[12:34] <bluekuja> asac: there is a debian/scripts/template/control file as well
[12:34] <bluekuja> asac: with internet section
[12:34] <bluekuja> but I guess it doesnt matter
[12:34] <bluekuja> for the archive
[12:34] <asac> bluekuja: yes ... fix that as well :) ... or remember to do that on next update
[12:34] <bluekuja> asac: pushed already
[12:34] <asac> at best file a bug so its not forgotten
[12:34] <bluekuja> ok
[12:34] <bluekuja> asac: anyway it's not a problem
[12:34] <asac> bluekuja: and tell mertiki ... he should probably maintain a bzr branch for it
[12:35] <asac> yes
[12:35] <asac> its ok
[12:35] <bluekuja> ok, gonna ping him
[12:35] <asac> however next update would then break again ;)
[12:35] <bluekuja> ^^
[12:35] <asac> so better fix it now on some branch ... to not forget
[12:35] <bluekuja> yeah
[12:35] <asac> bluekuja: feel free to open a mozillateam branch
[12:35] <bluekuja> ok
[12:35] <asac> mertiki can then submit updates through his own branch which we can merge before upload
[12:35] <bluekuja> I push current files
[12:35] <bluekuja> going to eat now
[12:35] <bluekuja> brb
[12:35] <asac> bluekuja: yes, please do ... but only debian/ dir of course
[12:36] <bluekuja> only debian dir?
[12:36] <bluekuja> ok
[12:36] <bluekuja> asac: darn
[12:36] <bluekuja> Component: universe Section: misc
[12:36] <bluekuja> it failed again
[12:37] <asac> so fix it for real then ... please check with lintian before upload
[12:39] <bluekuja> talked with pitti
[12:39] <bluekuja> and got rejected
[12:39] <bluekuja> darn template
[12:40] <asac> what got rejected?
[12:40] <bluekuja> I asked him to reject the upload
[12:41] <bluekuja> so I can fix the template as well
[12:41] <bluekuja> brb
[12:42] <asac> ok
[12:42] <asac> bluekuja: if you setup the bzr branch, please replay the few uploads we had
[12:42] <asac> e.g. start with first upload debian/ dir
[12:42] <asac> then second ... then third ;)
[12:43] <asac> its a bit more work, but good to allow mertiki to review the changes :)
[12:48] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, every change a bzr revision
[12:50] <asac> more or less ... for me its enough to have one revision per debian upload happened
[12:50] <asac> but that should be equivalent in our case here ;)
[12:51] <bluekuja> asac; yeah
[12:52] <bluekuja> asac: changed section on the control template as well
[12:52] <bluekuja> now re-pushing
[12:52] <asac> bluekuja: where do you put the branch to?
[12:52] <asac> i th9ink there is a sunbird project?
[12:52] <bluekuja> let me see
[12:52] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/sunbird
[12:52] <asac> that exists
[12:52] <asac> use that one to place the branch under
[12:53] <asac> it should comprise the lightning extension because its more or less the same project for now
[12:53] <bluekuja> asac: I guess lightning extension exists as well
[12:53] <asac> no
[12:53] <bluekuja> damn
[12:53] <bluekuja> ok, I'll use sunbird then
[12:54] <bluekuja> asac: anyway I'm pushing it
[12:54] <bluekuja> asac: sections are ok everywhere
[12:54] <bluekuja> both debian/control and template file
[12:56] <asac> bluekuja: does lintian complain?
[12:56] <bluekuja> asac: nope
[12:57] <bluekuja> asac: it did not complain before too
[12:57] <asac> strange
[12:57] <asac> ok
[12:57] <asac> linda?
[12:57] <asac> maybe linda would have complained?
[12:57] <asac> but i doubt it
[12:57] <bluekuja> nothing on linda for that
[12:57] <bluekuja> it's a template file
[12:58] <bluekuja> so it didnt recognize
[12:58] <bluekuja> the error
[12:58] <bluekuja> I'm waiting the mail
[12:58] <bluekuja> to see if the section is ok
[01:01] <bluekuja> asac: again misc
[01:03] <bluekuja> asac: installer moves it to misc without a reason
[01:03] <bluekuja> I'm talking with pitti to have it pushed on web with archive admin tools
[01:04] <bluekuja> asac_: again misc
[01:05] <bluekuja> pitti will move it to web manually then
[01:08] <asac_> bluekuja: why didn't you set web? ... is it really web? where is lightning in?
[01:08] <bluekuja> I set web
[01:08] <bluekuja> everything is set on web now
[01:08] <bluekuja> template and control
[01:08] <bluekuja> yes, it's web
[01:10] <bluekuja> asac: oh, it's for the override
[01:10] <bluekuja> [13:09:34]  <pitti> yes, that's due to the override
[01:10] <bluekuja> [13:09:39]  <pitti> which i need to fix manually anyway
[01:13] <bluekuja> asac_: everything is ok
[01:13] <bluekuja> ;)
[01:15] <asac_> kj
[01:16] <asac_> i hate uploading firfox origs
[01:16] <asac_> they always eat all my bandwidth for soo long
[01:16] <bluekuja> :D
[01:16] <bluekuja> asac_: pitti explained me the override problem
[01:16] <bluekuja> asac_: he has to fix it manually for every package
[01:17] <asac_> yes
[01:17] <asac_> i see
[01:17] <bluekuja> so we have to wait a little bit
[01:17] <bluekuja> more
[01:17] <bluekuja> before having it accepted
[01:19] <asac> yeah ... thats fine
[01:19] <asac> its not really a package with potential to be completely broken :)
[01:19] <bluekuja> yeah
[01:19] <bluekuja> but without that fix
[01:19] <bluekuja> it wont be available
[01:19] <bluekuja> for users
[01:19] <asac>  \o/ bugmail backlog: 5000 mails ... now i am happy
[01:20] <bluekuja> :D
[01:20] <asac> maybe i should send them to /dev/null ;)
[01:20] <bluekuja> lol
[01:20] <asac> oh wrong its just 2500
[01:20] <bluekuja> :D
[01:21] <asac> i think i should unsubscribe from torrent bugs
[01:21] <asac> on most i have no real opinion
[01:23] <bluekuja> asac: we will move to motu-p2p
[01:29] <bluekuja> asac: should I push lightning to bzr as it is on the archive now?
[01:29] <bluekuja> with my fixes to section as well
[01:29] <bluekuja> and I write upload to the archive --> version
[01:45] <asac> bluekuja: if you could replay the uploads that happened it would be nice
[01:45] <asac> at least use mertikis version as initial revision
[01:45] <bluekuja> ok
[01:45] <bluekuja> k
[01:45] <asac> and then the current upload as next
[01:47] <bluekuja> ok great
[02:22] <gnomefreak> asac: if i read that right why do you have ubufox in main depending on flash in multiverse? (was this expected)
[02:23] <asac> i don't
[02:24] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[02:25] <asac> its just that we have that package in the plugin database ... so users will get it suggested
[02:27] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: could the following be what you meant last night dpkg: warning - unable to delete old directory `/etc/firefox-granparadiso/pref': Directory not empty
[02:27] <gnomefreak> asac: ah
[02:27] <gnomefreak> list of those but they shouldnt be a problem on user end
[02:46] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm
[02:46] <gnomefreak> Get:10 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe firefox-granparadiso-gnome-support 3.0~alpha8-0ubuntu1 [63.6kB]
[02:46] <gnomefreak> Get:11 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe firefox-3.0-gnome-support 3.0~alpha8-0ubuntu1 [81.4kB
[02:46] <gnomefreak> that cant be good/right/way it should work
[02:46] <gnomefreak> it should comflict with firefox-granparadiso-gnome-support
[02:47] <gnomefreak> leaves usless binaries laying around (imho it needs to conflict with it)
[02:50] <DarkMageZ> asac, firefox-3.0 package in gutsy is missing a depends on xulrunner-1.9 :(
[02:52] <asac> DarkMageZ: ubuntu2 should fix this issue for you
[02:52] <asac> DarkMageZ: try to upgrade
[02:53] <asac> DarkMageZ: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0~alpha8-0ubuntu2
[02:53] <DarkMageZ> solong as you know, that's all good :)
[02:57] <asac> DarkMageZ: well ... if that version still has the issue, I would like to know :)
[02:58] <DarkMageZ> ah, k. i've made a note to check that again later.
[03:26] <bluekuja> asac: how far from agg?
[03:52] <IdleOne> having an issue launching GP get an error saying " failed to launch child process .... any help ?
[03:52] <IdleOne> tells me there is no such file or dorectory this is after latest update
[03:54] <asac> IdleOne: which version?
[03:54] <IdleOne> lemme look
[03:54] <asac> dpkg -l firefox-3.0
[03:54] <asac> dpkg -l xulrunner-1.9
[03:54] <asac> IdleOne: ^^
[03:55] <IdleOne> firefox-granparadiso 3.0~alpha8-0ubuntu1 this version
[03:55] <IdleOne> both those commands I need to run?
[03:55] <asac> yes
[03:56] <IdleOne>  no packages found on xulrunner-1.9
[03:57] <asac> IdleOne: you are not up-to-date
[03:57] <asac> run dist-upgrade
[03:57] <asac> apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:57] <asac> sudo  apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[03:57] <IdleOne> I did that is what caused this issue hehe
[03:58] <asac> well try again
[03:58] <IdleOne> ok
[03:58] <asac> apt-get update
[03:58] <asac> dist-upgrade
[03:58] <asac> IdleOne: oh you had ppa packages?
[03:58] <IdleOne> ppa?
[03:58] <asac> then remove firefox-granparadiso first
[03:59] <asac> ah ... sorry
[03:59] <asac> please run the command above
[03:59] <IdleOne> you got me confused
[03:59] <IdleOne> lol
[03:59] <IdleOne> you want m,e to remove firefox-granparadiso?
[03:59] <asac> dpkg -l firefox-3.0
[04:00] <IdleOne> ok
[04:00] <asac> what happens?
[04:00] <IdleOne> idleone@ubuntu-box:~$ dpkg -l firefox-3.0
[04:00] <IdleOne> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[04:00] <IdleOne> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[04:00] <IdleOne> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[04:00] <IdleOne> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[04:00] <IdleOne> +++-[04:00] <IdleOne> ii  firefox-3.0    3.0~alpha8-0ub lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (De
[04:00] <IdleOne> that is the output
[04:01] <asac> please just dist-upgrade
[04:01] <IdleOne> ok
[04:01] <asac> wait till things arrive
[04:01] <asac> you need ubuntu2
[04:02] <asac> but have ubuntu1
[04:02] <IdleOne> dist-upgrade returns o packages
[04:02] <IdleOne> 0 not o
[04:04] <IdleOne> so I just wait till apt tells me the package is available?
[04:14] <IdleOne> ubuntu2 package is comming now
[04:14] <IdleOne> not bad wasnt that long of a wait
[04:14] <asac> ok
[04:14] <asac> lunch now
[04:15] <IdleOne> enjoy
[04:58] <asac> bug 147744
[04:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147744 in apturl "Ubufox tries to install flashplugin-nonfree, can't find it (multiverse not enabled)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147744
[05:17] <bluekuja> asac: does bzr pull effect changes on the mirrored branch as well?
[05:17] <bluekuja> asac: so if I push to branch B it gets automatically mirrored to branch A
[05:17] <IdleOne> asac: still having same issue with GP even after dist-upgrade to ubuntu2
[05:24] <asac> IdleOne: i don't understand your issue to be honest. But maybe i just forgot
[05:24] <asac> what is your problem?
[05:24] <bluekuja> asac: or after pulling I have to push manually
[05:25] <bluekuja> asac: in the mirrored branch
[05:26] <asac> bluekuja: what is a mirrored branch?
[05:26] <bluekuja> asac: I was using bzr pull to mirror alioth's branch to launchpad bzr
[05:26] <bluekuja> asac: does it work?
[05:27] <asac> why would it?
[05:27] <asac> there is nothing like a cron service on alioth
[05:27] <bluekuja> asac: I'm asking you if mirroring a branch is possible
[05:27] <asac> bluekuja: just set up a branch in launchpad
[05:28] <asac> and tell him where the one to mirror is
[05:28] <bluekuja> asac: I have a branch on lp and I did bzr pull alioth-branch
[05:29] <bluekuja> asac: is that right?
[06:18] <asac> bluekuja: well ... in that direction it won't work automatically
[06:18] <asac> only launchpad can automatically sync a branch
[06:19] <asac> just browse around on launchpad ... you will surely find that issue
[06:19] <asac> that feature
[06:19] <bluekuja> asac: so I have to do bzr pull lp branch
[06:19] <bluekuja> and not alioth one
[06:20] <asac> i honestly don't understand your problem ;)
[06:20] <asac> but that might be my problem ... being a moron today
[06:20] <bluekuja> asac: i want to mirror a branch
[06:21] <bluekuja> so I dont have to push in two different places
[06:21] <bluekuja> I want to have a branch in lp and one in alioth
[06:21] <asac> bluekuja: then push and pull from alioth
[06:21] <asac> and setup the branch to be synched from there
[06:21] <asac> you will find that
[06:21] <bluekuja> I cant find that on launchpad
[06:22] <bluekuja> I cant find a place like "mirror branch"
[06:22] <bluekuja> or something like that
[06:22] <asac> bluekuja: look closer
[06:22] <asac> setup a branch
[06:23] <asac> then you set the upstream branch for it
[06:23] <asac> bluekuja: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/sunbird/+addbranch
[06:24] <bluekuja> asac: yeah
[06:24] <bluekuja> mirrored is there!
[06:24] <bluekuja> thanks mate
[06:25] <bluekuja> asac: is agg far inside your TODO?
[06:25] <asac> not yet on top
[06:25] <bluekuja> ok, ping me when you start
[06:26] <bluekuja> I'll be on later as well
[06:26] <bluekuja> now I start working on that branch
[06:45] <asac> cwong1: hi
[06:45] <cwong1> asac:  hi I saw you fixed the menu
[06:45] <asac> cwong1: i have the release ready, but i am unsure about the huge copy action of the whole preferences folder
[06:45] <asac> yeah
[06:45] <bluekuja> asac: after mirroring it in lp, is necessary to pull?
[06:45] <asac> i also started to debug the gconf proxy setting thing
[06:45] <bluekuja> asac: or gets mirrored automatically?
[06:45] <asac> basically it works, but there are still bugs
[06:45] <cwong1> asac: I didn't want to make the changes in the browser diretory
[06:46] <asac> bluekuja: just be patient ... should happen automatically from what i know
[06:46] <asac> bluekuja: or ask on launchpad
[06:46] <cwong1> asac: thats why I cloned the files into midbrowser
[06:46] <bluekuja> asac: ok alex
[06:46] <asac> cwong1: yes, which files die you change (except for the chrome urls)
[06:46] <asac> cwong1: isn't it just one or two preferences tab?
[06:46] <cwong1> asac: I removed all the help button from the preferences tabs
[06:47] <cwong1> asac: and the "Tab" tab
[06:47] <cwong1> asac: was changed
[06:47] <asac> cwong1: hmm so each preference tab ships its own help button?
[06:47] <asac> ok
[06:47] <asac> cwong1: ok ... i would really like to do something
[06:47] <cwong1> asac: ok what?
[06:47] <asac> cwong1: uncommit that change and split it in two commits:
[06:48] <asac> 1. copy over what is in browser
[06:48] <asac> 2. do the changes
[06:48] <cwong1> ok
[06:48] <cwong1> thats fine with me
[06:48] <asac> that should allow us later to use diff-3 to merge in changes that are done upstream in browser
[06:48] <cwong1> sounds reasonable
[06:48] <asac> cwong1: ok let me look
[06:59] <asac> cwong1: ok i pushed a pre-rebased version to WORKING
[06:59] <asac> if you pull working you can git reset --hard HEAD^
[06:59] <asac> and then redo the changes
[06:59] <asac> maybe create a backup branch by git checkout -b backup1
[06:59] <asac> before resetting top revision
[06:59] <asac> if you have done the same in two revisions let me know so i can rebase it to master again
[07:00] <cwong1> ok I will do it.  But It will takes an hour or so.  I crashed my system and in the middle of a rebuild.
[07:01] <asac> cwong1: ok ... i will look when i return from sport and beer and if the commit is there, build release and upload
[07:01] <asac> thanks
[07:01] <cwong1> thanks
[07:02] <asac> cwong1: maybe do a reset --hard HEAD^^^^ ... to uncomiit the currently top 4 commits
[07:02] <cwong1> ok
[07:02] <asac> the commits for nsWindow.cpp are not used ... same for the * Testing asac's write access  commit
[07:02] <cwong1> got it
[07:02] <asac> fine
[08:04] <Ubulette> hi
 Ubulette: could the following be what you meant last night dpkg: warning - unable to delete old directory `/etc/firefox-granparadiso/pref': Directory not empty
[08:37] <Ubulette> hmm, I don't know why it has been left behind, but we can clean that for sure
 Ubulette: is python functional in xul?
 Ubulette: i wonder if I can write a python xpcom componentn :)
 for launchpad-webrunner
 because we have a python API for launchpad already
[08:38] <Ubulette> asac, you want a xulapp, not a webapp, this is totally different
[08:39] <Ubulette> I've made a lp webapp already
[08:39] <Ubulette> not very usable at the moment. I need to patch webrunner
[08:56] <bluekuja> heya mertiki
[08:56] <mertiki> hi bluekuja :)
[08:56] <mertiki> bluekuja : How are you today
[08:57] <bluekuja> mertiki: quite fine thanks
[08:57] <bluekuja> mertiki: I fixed lightning-locales
[08:57] <bluekuja> did you see?
[08:57] <mertiki> bluekuja : Was this just a error in the control file?
[08:58] <bluekuja> mertiki: yeah
[08:58] <mertiki> bluekuja : I didn't receive another message from launchpad buildd system
[09:00] <bluekuja> mertiki: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-extension-locales/0.5-0ubuntu2
[09:00] <mertiki> good|
[09:00] <mertiki> yes that's it
[09:00] <mertiki> I was looking at the ubuntu1 version
[09:01] <bluekuja> mertiki: now we have a working locales
[09:01] <bluekuja> thanks for your work
[09:01] <bluekuja> asac: tell me when back
[09:01] <mertiki> tested, it works flawlessly
[09:03] <bluekuja> mertiki: yeah, works like a charm
[09:03] <bluekuja> well done
[09:03] <mertiki> bluekuja : thanks for your help too :)
[09:03] <bluekuja> :)
[09:03] <bluekuja> np, glad to help
[09:03] <mertiki> same here :)
[09:04] <bluekuja> :)
[09:04] <mertiki> bluekuja : In order to be installed automatically as a language support (like the Thunderbird language package), does this package needs to be in main?
[09:06] <bluekuja> mertiki: to have it installed automatically need to be in restricted
[09:06] <bluekuja> but  it's hard to have it inside main/restricted
[09:06] <bluekuja> needs time
[09:07] <mertiki> Ok
[09:11] <mertiki> great, I'm happy that this project gave final results!
[09:14] <bluekuja> mertiki: :)
[09:14] <bluekuja> mertiki: get ready for hardy
[09:15] <mertiki> bluekuja : hehe, I will
[09:15] <bluekuja> cool, I'll wait some of your debdiffs then
[09:16] <mertiki> bluekuja : Of course, I will take some time to speak with asac after Gutsy final release to work on some of his ideas and my ideas too :)
[09:17] <mertiki> bluekuja : I must go now, thanks again for the quick upload
[09:17] <bluekuja> mertiki: np, have fun and thanks again
[09:17] <mertiki> :) +
[09:17] <mertiki> @+ *
[09:37] <cwong1> asac: ping
[09:46] <kaba> hi, could you plz influence the Gecko-development, that this pitiful bug is ironed-out? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382824
[09:46] <ubotu> Gnome bug 382824 in gtk "Dragging non-ascii text from gecko to GtkEntry sometimes inserts invalid UTF-8" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[10:01] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: are we planing on removing -granparadiso and just keep -3.0
[10:02] <Ubulette> gp and trunk are now just dummies
[10:02] <Ubulette> not sure when we could get rid of them
[10:02] <Ubulette> is there a policy for that ?
[10:06] <gnomefreak> the dummy packages are being upgraded with -3.0 including gp-gnome-supprt and friends
[10:06] <Ubulette> right
[10:07] <gnomefreak> there is no policy about them afaik
[10:07] <gnomefreak> maybe wait for ubuntu3 than pull them?
[10:08] <Ubulette> it usually lasts longer than that
[10:08] <gnomefreak> im thinking let them go before release sometime
[10:08] <gnomefreak> once release its gonna be a bitch to drop them
[10:09] <Ubulette> if someone miss the short window, they will be doomed too
[10:09] <Ubulette> so it's better stick with that
[10:09] <gnomefreak> it can be pulled from repos after release but its a bit harder than while still in devel, atleast it was with the packages i had dropped from gutsy and feisty
[10:10] <Ubulette> but i have no hard feeling here
[10:10] <Ubulette> look at ethereal -> wireshark
[10:11] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: just like firefox 2 still has one mozilla-firefox
[10:11] <gnomefreak> but iirc it doesnt use the binaries for its stelf
[10:11] <Ubulette> same here
[10:11] <gnomefreak> it uses the same binaries
[10:11] <Ubulette> those dummies are empty packages
[10:11] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: no i have firefox-granparadiso-gnome-support and firefox-3.0-gnome-support
[10:11] <Ubulette> yep
[10:12] <Ubulette> list firefox-granparadiso-gnome-support
[10:12] <gnomefreak> those are 2 binaries that are the same but if you look at firefox its only one binary for it
[10:13] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1????
[10:13] <Ubulette> :)
[10:13] <Ubulette> not my idea
[10:13] <gnomefreak> wth is no bin only
[10:13] <gnomefreak> i know bin == binary
[10:13] <Ubulette> just a stripped tarball to remove binary only files
[10:13] <gnomefreak> ah ok and we named it?
[10:14] <Ubulette> asac did it
[10:14] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: i know
[10:14] <Ubulette> not possible
[10:14] <gnomefreak> why not possible?
[10:14] <Ubulette> we chnanged tarball so we had to change version
[10:15] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: changed tarball change one number in version maybe 2 not the full name
[10:15] <Ubulette> change something before the dash
[10:15] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>+#change-0ubuntu1
[10:15] <gnomefreak> since the +2 is upstream tarball maybe thats why
[10:16] <Ubulette> # is probably forbidden
[10:16] <Ubulette> oh
[10:16] <Ubulette> lol
[10:16] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: # == 2 or 3 or 4 or whatever
[10:16] <gnomefreak> bumped up one from other version
[10:20] <gnomefreak> where is mozillas svn
[10:21] <Ubulette> you mean git ?
[10:21] <Ubulette> hm, no, hg
[10:22] <gnomefreak> finding google isnt easy to use with cvs svn git or friens
[10:22] <gnomefreak> friends
[10:23] <gnomefreak> thier moving shit around again i see
[10:34] <gnomefreak> you know these people make me sick
[10:35] <Ubulette_> ?
[10:35] <gnomefreak> everyone hates that mozilla moved seamonky profile to fit the rest of mozilla apps so it would now be !/.mozilla/seamonkey/profile
[10:35] <gnomefreak> -! + ~
[10:36] <gnomefreak> not far off from ~/.mozilla/default/profilename
[10:39] <gnomefreak> /.mozilla/seamonkey/<ProfileName>  ~/.mozilla.org/seamonkey/<ProfileName>
[10:39] <gnomefreak> those are the changes but 1.1.4 doesnt give us a ~/.mozilla.org fir
[10:39] <gnomefreak> dir.
[10:41] <Ubulette> hmm, mozilla ships cairo 1.5.1 while gutsy has 1.4.10
[10:42] <Ubulette> http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/gfx/cairo/cairo/src/cairo-features.h.in#58
[10:45] <gnomefreak> can we change to use mozillas? afaik we are using ours atm
[10:46] <Ubulette> nope. we dropped ours with a7 because of an assert on shutdown
[10:47] <gnomefreak> is there an easy way to tell the diff. between source tarball and normal tarball from mozilla?
[10:47] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: oh we did end up going with thiers :)
[10:47] <Ubulette> yep, since a7
[10:47] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: i remember that problem i thought we kept it the same though
[10:48] <gnomefreak> 13mb seems more like normal installer tarbal
[10:48] <gnomefreak> tarball
[10:49] <Ubulette> for what ?
[10:50] <gnomefreak> they have seamonkey tarballs but i dont believe they release nightly sources and serarching with google gave me nothing on cvs svn or git
[10:51] <gnomefreak> once i get the source i believe we left the rules file alone so i should beable to produce orig.tar easy
[10:51] <Ubulette> that's a task for mozclient
[10:52] <Ubulette> btw, i've added a target to mozclient for you
[10:52] <Ubulette>    make thunderbird-orig      Create thunderbird-3.0 sources tarball
[10:52] <gnomefreak> ah ty
[10:52] <Ubulette> it's stripped for binaries and tests like ff and xul
[10:52] <Ubulette> -for-from
[10:54] <Ubulette> cairo 1.5.1 is not even released. it's from upstream git
[10:55] <gnomefreak> wth is mozilla git?
[10:55] <gnomefreak> ah only source tarballs have a makefile i guess
 http://hg.mozilla.org/
[10:56] <Ubulette> no official git
[10:57] <Ubulette> but there's one somewhere
[10:57] <gnomefreak> ill look at it ty
[11:10] <gnomefreak> mozilla cvs sucks
[11:10] <Ubulette> lol
[11:11] <gnomefreak> it makes no damn sense
[11:12] <gnomefreak> i have to checkout the client.mk than the mozconfig although mozconfig failed cannot find the moduless
[11:13] <gnomefreak> instructions here suck http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Mozilla_Source_Code_Via_CVS#Checkout
[11:14] <Ubulette> use mozclient
[11:15] <Ubulette> is it for seamonkey ?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:15] <Ubulette> do:
[11:15] <gnomefreak> mozclient isnt set up for it
[11:15] <Ubulette> make client
[11:15] <gnomefreak> is it?
[11:15] <Ubulette> make -f mozilla/client.mk checkout MOZ_CO_PROJECT=suite
[11:15] <Ubulette> then you tar yourself
[11:16] <gnomefreak> make client is separate from make -f?
[11:16] <Ubulette> do just as I typed
[11:16] <gnomefreak> im updating mozclient now
[11:16] <gnomefreak> k
[11:16] <Ubulette> client is a target from mozclient
[11:16] <Ubulette> do just co client.mk and patch it
[11:17] <Ubulette> -do+to
[11:18] <gnomefreak> its downloading
[11:18] <Ubulette> cool
[11:19] <Ubulette> btw, it's explained in the README of mozclient
[11:19] <gnomefreak> i though mozclient just made tarballs
[11:20] <gnomefreak> brb smoke while this is going. and im assuming since you said "than tar it up yourself" mozclient isnt set to tar it up yet (but still should be easy)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> so just tar up the mozilla dir and the patches dir?
[11:28] <Ubulette> patches dir ?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> yes i thought it was make client that made that but maybe its mozclients patches dir
[11:29] <gnomefreak> it has nss nspr adn xul patches
[11:29] <Ubulette> you don't need that. just tar the mozilla dir
[11:30] <Ubulette> exclude the cvs stuff
[11:30] <Ubulette> --exclude=CVS --exclude=.cvsignore
[11:30] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:39] <gnomefreak> lmfao tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[11:40] <gnomefreak> lets try it withou thte --flags and ill go in and fix it if it works
[11:44] <Ubulette> tar zcf foo_version.tar.gz --exclude=CVS --exclude=.cvsignore foo-version
[11:46] <gnomefreak> foo-version?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> tar zcf iceape_2.0-cvs20071008t1745.orig.tar.gz --exclude=CVS --exclude=.cvsignore mozilla
[11:47] <gnomefreak> that look right
[11:48] <gnomefreak> oops does that look right i mean
[11:50] <Ubulette> i think you need to move mozilla into iceape-2.0-cvs20071008t1745 first
[11:50] <Ubulette> and use ~ not -
[11:51] <Ubulette> 2.0~cvs
[11:51] <Ubulette> is 2.0 the upstream version ?
[11:51] <gnomefreak> yes but i guess i should use exact alpha or beta versioning as well
[11:51] <Ubulette> yes
[11:52] <gnomefreak> a1pre
[11:52] <Ubulette> why are you using the debian name ? I thought ubuntu was allowed to use mozilla brandings
[11:53] <Ubulette> a1pre, waa, like tb.
[11:53] <Ubulette> so a1~cvs
[11:53] <gnomefreak> easier to maintain for now
[11:54] <Ubulette> i've pushed minefield a9 to our ppa
[01:02] <asac> Ubulette: what is the difference of a xul-wepapp ... vs. a xulapp ... i understood a xul-webapp to be xulapp that just focusses on providing XUL interface for a specific website
[01:03] <Ubulette> a xulapp is a program in xul/js while a webapp is just an url and an icon
[01:03] <Ubulette> webrunner being a xulapp
[01:03] <asac> Ubulette: i know the difference
[01:03] <asac> Ubulette: i just thought that a xul-wepapp would b more than just a website in a xul window :)
[01:04] <asac> e.g. being capable to still deploy a chrome et al
[01:04] <asac> but you are right, maybe i just want a full xulapp
[01:05] <Ubulette> in a webapp, the url is kind of trapped
[01:05] <Ubulette> that's why it doesnt worek for lp
[01:05] <Ubulette> work
[01:05] <Ubulette> for lp, we need to trap the domain, not the host
[01:06] <Ubulette> for that, webrunner needs to be patched
[01:08] <asac> hmm
[01:08] <asac> i think i have to look into this more closely
[01:09] <Ubulette> by trap, I mean that if you leave the initial host (provided by the url), the link goes to your default/active browser, not in the webapp
[01:10] <asac> ah ok. i see
[01:10] <asac> thats a feature my lp xulapp wants as well :)
[01:13] <Ubulette> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/webrunner/webrunner-launchpad


[02:34] <liuxg> For QML WebView, if the url points to a html file in the qrc resource file, is this OK? Currently, I find that  url: "html/index.html" does not work for me. What is the right way to use a file in a resource file? thanks
[04:55] <liuxg> does anyone know how to install Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Ambiance package for my wily desktop? I want to run scope on it. thanks
[05:00] <liuxg> I have found the package ubuntu-ui-toolkit-theme:i386. thanks
[07:43] <chesedo> could someone with an Ubuntu phone test a bug on a scope for me?
[07:43] <chesedo> https://github.com/chesedo/glances-remote-scope/issues/1
[07:45] <davidcalle> chesedo: if you have a glances IP for me to test, I'm happy to do it
[07:46] <chesedo> davidcalle: sorry, still do not have a public IP... thanks though
[10:13] <matv1> I dont quite understand how to expose translator generated .po files back to my ut(qmake) app. Some cl voodoo or does the sdk provide a solution for that?
[11:35] <mivoligo> zsombi: hi, are there any plans for an app to have option to force screen orientation when it's running?
[11:40] <popey> mivoligo: other than the .desktop entry?
[11:41] <mivoligo> popey: yes, .desktop only do that once. You can't change it when the app is running
[11:41] <popey> why do you need to?
[11:42] <mivoligo> for example to display something in portrait or in landscape, currently thinking about Big Moving Text app
[11:46] <popey> mivoligo: trying to think of any app on another platform that does this...
[11:47] <mivoligo> popey: or in the Gallery app, now if you have screen locked to portrait, you can't see photos in landscape
[11:50] <mivoligo> popey: I'm not sure if it still is the case but on Samsung with android I could tap some icon to change orientation of a photo or video even if the phone orientation was locked
[11:50] <popey> well, that's rotating the content isn't it?
[11:50] <popey> rather than the app
[11:51] <mivoligo> right
[11:51] <popey> this is why you have a rotation lock in the tray though, surely?
[11:53] <mivoligo> I'd say it's to prevent accidental rotation which annoys some people
[12:23] <zsombi> mivoligo: there were talks, and I think it is in the backlogs of Mir/qtubuntu inm... greyback may know its exact status better than I do
[12:35] <greyback> mivoligo: it's on our todo list, but not very high up. This is the associated bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1382209
[12:36] <greyback> mivoligo: if you vote for it, it'll help us bump it up the todo list
[14:09] <mivoligo> zsombi: greyback: thanks guys!
[14:10] <greyback> mivoligo: thanks for commenting. More people want it, more likely we'll do it soon
[14:32] <om26er> mivoligo, popey mx player on android is an example of the App that rotates the app content as soon as a video is played.
[15:01] <om26er> #ubuntu-on-air
[16:35] <timppa_> good morning, good day, evening where ever you may be. :)
[16:37] <timppa_> Is someone having a moment of time to consult on Java Script scopes and JSON "matching"?
[16:46] <om26er> popey, Hi! can you share your Mir screen recording script(s) ?
[16:46] <om26er> I need to record the screen for a bug report
[16:53] <popey> om26er: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15553334/
[16:54] <om26er> popey, Q: hows the framerate ?
[16:54] <popey> not fantastic
[19:23] <nik90> popey, regarding your record screen script, does it store the recording on the phone/host device?
[19:23] <nik90> or otherwise should I be worried about storage?
[20:10] <popey> nik90: no, it streams only
[20:11] <nik90> popey, ah cool..will come handy for release videos
[22:52] <r0dr1ck> hi


[10:44] <MaWaLe> hi everyone
[10:45] <persia> o/
[10:54] <amachu> persia: Hi
[10:55] <amachu> elkbuntu: TheMuso: lifeless: Hello everybody
[10:55] <TheMuso> Hi folks.
[10:56] <amachu> and no one for today's meeting either...
[11:00] <amachu> hi
[11:01] <amachu> We have CC meeting scheduled today at 21.00 UTC
[11:02] <amachu> every one listening ??
[11:02] <TheMuso> Yes.
[11:02] <Rafik> hello all :)
[11:02] <MaWaLe> yup
[11:02] <Rafik> i'll try to hire one or two candidates for your next meeting ^^
[11:03] <cody-somerville> :)
[11:03] <MaWaLe> hi Rafik
[11:03] <MaWaLe> :)
[11:03] <soren> amachu: Which meeting were you referring to when you said "no one for today's meeting either"?
[11:04] <Rafik> amachu, MaWaLe is currently preparing his membership
[11:04] <amachu> soren: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[11:05] <soren> amachu: Ah.
[11:05] <Rafik> amachu, is it possible to do his approval now ?
[11:06] <MaWaLe> it'll be so great
[11:06] <amachu> Rafik: Should have registered in advance, I feel
[11:07] <amachu> persia: elkbuntu: TheMuso: lifeless : opinions?
[11:07] <Rafik> amachu, yes I know. When I've seen there was no candidates for today. the idea came to my mind
[11:09] <persia> amachu, opinions?
[11:10] <amachu> persia: on what Rafik asked about taking MaWaLe
[11:10] <soren> persia: Yes. a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter.
[11:10] <soren> :p
[11:11] <amachu> and about the CC meeting, its too late here to present our decisions for me today.
[11:11] <TheMuso> amachu: I don't mind doing someone on the spur of the moment now, but that depends on whether others want to.
[11:11] <persia> Oh.  I'm happy to take more people, although I prefer the page to be prepared in advance.
[11:11] <elkbuntu> i'm here
[11:11] <TheMuso> persia: Agreed.
[11:13] <elkbuntu> persia, i do agree. some of us like to read over candidate pages without the candidate counting the nanoseconds
[11:13] <amachu> I can present it to the Community Council on 18 Nov 08. But can any one of you could do it today?
[11:13] <elkbuntu> amachu, have you scribed to wikipages at all?
[11:13]  * persia tends to read over candidate pages before the meeting
[11:14]  * elkbuntu blinks
[11:14] <elkbuntu> amachu, you're not starting *that* again, are you?
[11:14]  * elkbuntu tickles amachu
[11:14] <amachu> elkbuntu: which wiki pages are you referring?
[11:15] <elkbuntu> amachu, the 'can we have more people' proposal etc
[11:15] <amachu> elkbuntu: I lost the connection for few sec
[11:15] <amachu> elkbuntu: I am saying, today we have CC meeting. But at 21.00 UTC
[11:16] <elkbuntu> i realise this. i also know that the CC likes a wikipage to read over, like we want candidates to document themselves in wikipages.
[11:17] <amachu> We can take up our decisions to CC if any one of you could do it, I said. I am not sure of me taking it with the CC today. But I can definitely take it on 18 Nov
[11:17] <persia> I'd rather do it during our normal meeting time.
[11:18] <amachu> elkbuntu: thats fine. We will take it up to the CC on Nov, 18.
[11:18] <amachu> and I got reply form Belutz which I shared with the group
[11:19] <amachu> zakame is yet to reply. I will try to ping him through other means.
[11:19] <amachu> and anything else which any one of you would like to raise now?
[11:21] <amachu> elkbuntu: persia : TheMuso : lifeless : anything else?
[11:21] <elkbuntu> i'm good.
[11:21] <elkbuntu> MaWaLe, i look forward to seeing your application next week.
[11:21] <TheMuso> I'm fine.
[11:22] <amachu> and how about Intrepid's launch parties around?
[11:22] <MaWaLe> sorry : which week?
[11:22] <persia> I'm good.
[11:22] <amachu> MaWaLe: 11 Nov, 11.00 UTC
[11:22] <Rafik> MaWaLe, you will have the time to work more you wiki page.
[11:23] <MaWaLe> can i hope that the members here take a look to my Wiki page and give me some advices or just evaluate-it :)
[11:24] <amachu> cool! let me call off today's meeting, then.
[11:24] <amachu> Our next meeting, as said will be on 11 Nov 08, 11.00 UTC
[11:25] <amachu> MaWaLe: Hmm.. worth looking to prepare questions based on wiki :-)
[11:25] <amachu> persia: TheMuso : elkbuntu : Thank you for participating!
[11:27] <MaWaLe> okay :so thanks and see you next week
[11:27] <persia> See you next week :)
[11:28] <TheMuso> Till next week.
[11:31] <elkbuntu> right... clean install time
[13:02] <emgent> hello there.
[13:02] <emgent> @schedule rome
[13:21] <zul> @schedule montreal
[15:56] <zul> heylo
[15:57] <ivoks> hi
[15:57]  * mathiaz waves
[15:57] <ivoks> long time no see
[15:57] <sommer> hey all
[15:58]  * nijaba ~
[15:58] <zul> hi ivoks
[15:58]  * soren tips his hat in #ubuntu-meeting's general direction
[15:59]  * nijaba distinguishes a black hat being tipped
[16:00] <mathiaz> allright folks - let's get this started
[16:00] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <mathiaz> Welcome to the first meeting of the Server Team in this new era of jauntyness!
[16:01] <mathiaz> Today's joyfull agenda can be found online at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <nijaba> that's a tough agenda we have today
[16:02] <mathiaz> Last week's intrepid minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081028
[16:02] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Server FAQ
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server FAQ
[16:03] <mathiaz> sommer: nijaba: how are things moving there?
[16:03] <nijaba> I worked a bit on the FAQ today
[16:03] <nijaba> there are about 2/3 of the questions that needs updating
[16:03] <sommer> I did some small updates last week, but it still needs work
[16:03] <nijaba> I have added (needs update) in their title
[16:04] <nijaba> I have also listed a few new questions at the end and a table of content
[16:04] <mathiaz> nijaba: great!
[16:04] <mathiaz> I'll add section to the roadmap covering the ServerFaQ
[16:05] <nijaba> kirkland: could you take care of updating the raid question?
[16:05] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap
[16:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap
[16:05] <kirkland> nijaba: url?
[16:05] <mathiaz> nijaba: is the list of questions to be updated finalized?
[16:05] <nijaba> kirkland: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq
[16:06] <mathiaz> nijaba: ie should we focus on reviewing the answer now?
[16:06] <nijaba> mathiaz: unless some other new questions are added, yes
[16:06] <nijaba> mathiaz: I think we can focus on the answers now, and work on them later if new questions appear
[16:07] <mathiaz> nijaba: ok.
[16:07]  * nijaba thinks that the answer should be made unpersonal
[16:07] <mathiaz> nijaba: are there other specific topics that need input from one of us (like kirkland for raid)
[16:07] <mathiaz> nijaba: ?
[16:08] <nijaba> mathiaz: soem of the question name people asking questions...
[16:08] <kirkland> nijaba: mathiaz: is this something that Launchpad Answers should be used for ?
[16:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: I don't think so. IIUC the FAQ is a generic FAQ
[16:08] <nijaba> mathiaz: not that I can think of, but will ask if sommer or I have pb answering them
[16:09] <nijaba> kirkland: I think it is nice to have a "controlled" page for a FAQ
[16:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: LP answers are more targeted at answering specific questions/user requests.
[16:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay
[16:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: moreover AFICT the server team is not using the LP answers.
[16:10] <nijaba> sommer: how do you want to split the work?
[16:10] <mathiaz> kirkland: or at least I don't know of anyone answering LP questions related to server topics.
[16:10] <sommer> nijaba: doesn't matter to me... I can start at the bottom and work up
[16:11] <nijaba> sommer: ok, I'll go the other way then :)
[16:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: k
[16:11] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer and nijaba to start updating the answers.
[16:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer and nijaba to start updating the answers.
[16:11] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to review the RAID related questions
[16:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to review the RAID related questions
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba: sommer: anything else on this topic?
[16:12] <nijaba> nope
[16:12] <sommer> nothing from me
[16:12] <mathiaz> ok - anything else regarding last week's minutes?
[16:13] <mathiaz> nope. Let's move on
[16:13] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ideas for Jaunty
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ideas for Jaunty
[16:13] <mathiaz> As you may have noticed we're preparing for another release of Ubuntu due in six months.
[16:13] <zul> yay!
[16:14] <mathiaz> UDS topics are being worked on.
[16:14] <mathiaz> If you've got new ideas, please add them to the ServerTeam IdeaPool.
[16:14] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool
[16:14] <mathiaz> I've also purged the Roadmap
[16:15] <mathiaz> There are some items which status I don't know.
[16:15] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Integration of SASL and Postfix
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Integration of SASL and Postfix
[16:15] <mathiaz> ivoks: ^?
[16:15] <ivoks> right...
[16:15] <mathiaz> ivoks: is this still something being worked on/considered?
[16:15] <ivoks> i'll propose solutions for this problem in early dev. phase
[16:16] <ivoks> i'll have time next week
[16:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok - so it's still on the radar
[16:16] <ivoks> yes
[16:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: great.
[16:16] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Merges
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Merges
[16:16] <mathiaz> As of now, Jaunty is *not* opened.
[16:17] <mathiaz> The basic toolchain and packages are still be worked on.
[16:17] <mathiaz> The archive should probably open sometime this week. By then, we'll go back in merge mode!
[16:18] <soren> \o/
[16:19] <mathiaz> last time around, I was publishing a list of *easy* merges.
[16:19] <mathiaz> I was wondering if that was a good idea
[16:19] <mathiaz> what do other people thing about such a list?
[16:19] <sommer> I think it's a good idea :)
[16:19]  * soren too
[16:20] <ivoks> (don't have strong opinion :)
[16:20] <mathiaz> ok. I'll keep publishing such a list for this cycle then.
[16:20] <mathiaz> well - that's all I have.
[16:20] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[16:21]  * mathiaz leaves the floor to crazy ideas
[16:21] <zul> no crazy ideas from me this time
[16:21] <ivoks> accept dbconfig-common as a standard tool for databases :D
[16:21] <mathiaz> zul: you got burned by this whole FB story?
[16:22] <zul> mathiaz: i didnt get any emails about it thankfully :)
[16:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: isn't it already in main?
[16:22] <ivoks> mathiaz: it is, but my question is 'why we don't use it? and why did i remove it from bacula?' :)
[16:22] <zul> because it wasnt it main at the time
[16:22] <ivoks> it wasn't?
[16:23] <ivoks> ok then
[16:23] <ivoks> so, we could just re-merge it back?
[16:23] <zul> ivoks: pretty much
[16:23] <mathiaz> ivoks: probably yes :)
[16:23] <ivoks> praise the lord :)
[16:24] <zul> yes praise him indeed
[16:24] <mathiaz> ivoks: one of the debian devloper may be at UDS
[16:24] <zul> uds or fosscamp?
[16:24] <mathiaz> zul: don't know.
[16:25] <nijaba> mathiaz: do we know who's been invited now?  is there a list somewhere?
[16:25] <mathiaz> nijaba: there is a list *somewhere*. However I don't know where the *somewhere* is...
[16:26] <nijaba> www.perdu.com ?
[16:26] <soren> ?!?
[16:26] <ivoks> lol
[16:26] <sommer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty/Attendees
[16:27] <soren> "Lost on the Internet" or some such?
[16:27] <nijaba> soren: yes O<--- you are here
[16:27] <ivoks> soren: yes
[16:27] <soren> No, I'm not. I'm over there ---> *
[16:27] <ivoks> soren: don't panic, we're here to help you
[16:27] <ivoks> soren: * <---- you are here
[16:28] <ivoks> oh...
[16:28] <ivoks> :)
[16:28] <mathiaz> sommer: ok. These are mainly ubuntu members.
[16:29] <mathiaz> sommer: some upstream folks have also been invited (to Fooscamp and/or UDS)
[16:29] <ScottK> foos/foss
[16:29] <sommer> ohh, gotcha
[16:29] <ivoks> mathiaz: you'll meet kern, right?
[16:29] <mathiaz> ivoks: probably
[16:30] <ivoks> ok
[16:30] <mathiaz> allright - so I think that's all I have to say for today's meeting
[16:30] <mathiaz> I'll be running a session for OpenWeek in 1:30 hours
[16:31] <mathiaz> in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:31] <mathiaz> ie at 18:00 UTC
[16:31] <nijaba> mathiaz: break a leg
[16:31] <soren> mathiaz: About what?
[16:31] <ivoks> server team?
[16:31] <mathiaz> soren: the server team
[16:31] <ivoks> all right! more PR :D
[16:31] <soren> Awesome :)
[16:31] <mathiaz> what we did for the intrepid cycle and how to get involved
[16:32] <mathiaz> there are tons of other sessions and topics covered the whole week
[16:32] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek has more information
[16:33] <mathiaz> kirkland and soren are also running a session
[16:33] <mathiaz> Anything else to add?
[16:36] <mathiaz> seems not
[16:36] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:36] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place?
[16:37] <ivoks> this is better time, yes
[16:37] <sommer> works for me :)
[16:38] <mathiaz> ivoks: better time?
[16:38] <mathiaz> ivoks: it should be the same time as usual (last week being unusual)
[16:39] <ivoks> mathiaz: right - it's the same :D
[16:39] <mathiaz> ok - so see you all next week, same time in here.,
[16:39] <kirkland> adios!
[16:39] <mathiaz> Congratulations for intrepid
[16:39] <mathiaz> and welcome to Jaunty!
[16:39] <kirkland> \o/
[16:39] <sommer> later on all
[16:40] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:40] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:40.
[17:17]  * cking is here
[17:17] <pgraner> Kernel Team Meeting... sorry its starting late google didn't adjust for DST changes *sigh*
[17:18] <smb_tp> DST challenges all of us. :)
[17:18] <pgraner> #startmeeting
[17:18] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:18. The chair is pgraner.
[17:18] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:19] <pgraner> Ok... I think this will be a short meeting since Intrepid just went out....
[17:20] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Post Intrepid Bug Status
[17:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Post Intrepid Bug Status
[17:20] <pgraner> I'm curious to see if we have seen a influx of new bugs?
[17:20] <smb_tp> Not a very high one. Only a few
[17:20] <rtg> I think ogasawara has quite a list of bugs pending against Intrepid.
[17:20] <pgraner> ogasawara: have you seen any any trends?
[17:21] <ogasawara> pgraner: I'm seeing quite a few reports with patches
[17:21] <pgraner> ogasawara: thats always nice
[17:21] <ogasawara> pgraner: I've been milestoning them
[17:21] <ogasawara> pgraner: most are simple fixes
[17:21] <rtg> as soon as I get a -security kernel done I'm gonna start griding through the SRU patches.
[17:21] <pgraner> ogasawara: I've noticed a bunch with "special keys", brightness etc...
[17:22] <ogasawara> pgraner: yah, just was one about that too - bug 285323
[17:22] <ogasawara> that one has a patch though in upstream that we just need to pull
[17:23] <pgraner> Since I'm rather new, how does this compare with post Hardy, same time?
[17:23] <ogasawara> pgraner: post hardy I didn't see as many of these simple patches coming in post release
[17:24] <ogasawara> pgraner: but I think that had something to do with Hardy being LTS so more people were testing the alpha's/beta's
[17:24] <pgraner> ogasawara: ok...
[17:25] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Intrepid Update/Security Kernel
[17:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Intrepid Update/Security Kernel
[17:25] <ogasawara> pgraner: I'm going to try and gather some actual bug stats so will post it to the ml
[17:25] <pgraner> smb_tp: Whats the plan?
[17:25] <smb_tp> I am not sure if Tim jumped on it but otherwise I would take care that we have a security upadte
[17:26] <smb_tp> for intrepid kernel + hardy and gutsy lum
[17:26] <rtg> I'm working on the Intrepid -security update
[17:26] <smb_tp> working on that tonight
[17:26] <pgraner> smb_tp: whats the target for getting that out?
[17:26] <smb_tp> After that I guess we should tackle the proposed updates for hardy and gutsy lum and hardy kernel
[17:27] <smb_tp> I'd have to speak with kees on that but I would like to see it rather sooner than later.
[17:28] <pgraner> smb_tp: I'd like to get dates set so we know what the cut off is, mostly for the updates kernel. Can you propose dates for both security and updates?
[17:28] <smb_tp> pgraner, maybe I can convince him for an upload next Monday
[17:29] <pgraner> smb_tp: I'm not hung up on the date as long as we have one
[17:29] <smb_tp> pgraner, (that would be for security) and then the proposed a week later
[17:29] <smb_tp> pgraner, so Nov 10 and 17
[17:29] <pgraner> [ACTION] smb_tp to set/publish dates for security and updates kernel for affected releases
[17:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  smb_tp to set/publish dates for security and updates kernel for affected releases
[17:30] <pgraner> Anyone see issues or have objections for the 10 & 17th?
[17:31] <pgraner> smb_tp: Ok then the 10th and 17th it is.
[17:31] <smb_tp> pgraner, ack
[17:31] <pgraner> [ACTON] Security kernel upload by 10 Nov, updates kernel upload by 17th
[17:32] <pgraner> [ACTiON] Security kernel upload by 10 Nov, updates kernel upload by 17th
[17:32] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Security kernel upload by 10 Nov, updates kernel upload by 17th
[17:32] <pgraner> [TOPIC] RFC - RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process (rtg)
[17:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  RFC - RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process (rtg)
[17:32] <rtg> workin' on 'em
[17:32] <smb_tp> I included this in the wiki page as well. Obviously I am for it
[17:33] <pgraner> rtg: based on the feedback on the RFC, you propose any changes?
[17:33] <rtg> pgraner: please tell what constructive feedback I received, other then complaints about process?
[17:34] <rtg> as far as I can tell, the only concern is regressions.
[17:34] <smb_tp> rtg, Take it as constructive feedback. :)
[17:34] <rtg> so, I plan to examine each patch and do my job, which is to evaluate them on their own merits.
[17:35] <pgraner> rtg: sorry I went back to revisit the thread
[17:35] <amitk> rtg: so it would not be a blanket update to the latest stable?
[17:35] <rtg> amitk: nope, I'm gonna write an SRU for each one.
[17:35] <pgraner> rtg: I understood it to be a complete update not selective
[17:36] <amitk> rtg: !!
[17:36] <smb_tp> pgraner, from the comments it seemed that some wanted to blame selecive bugs if something fails
[17:36] <smb_tp> But I also took it that we take everything
[17:36] <rtg> there'll be a bunch for the first -proposed kernel (approx 40 I think)
[17:37] <amitk> rtg: honestly I feel that writing 40 SRUs in LP will not scale
[17:37] <pgraner> rtg: I'm in favor of keeping as close to the upstream source as possible, however the SRU process was not designed for that type of volume
[17:37] <rtg> amitk: well, it on'y happens once early in the cycle. stable updates slow way down pretty quickly.
[17:37] <smb_tp> maybe ogasawara can help s with some script magic...
[17:38] <ogasawara> smb_tp: yup, I think I can probably help whip up a script to automate it
[17:39] <pgraner> rtg: would that work for you?
[17:39] <amitk> rtg: besides, you will have to 'invent' reasons you want to apply the patch.
[17:39] <rtg> some automation wuold help, for sure.
[17:39] <smb_tp> amitk, would not be "is in the stable kernel" be reason enaough
[17:40] <amitk> smb_tp: then what is the point of 40 bug reports each stating "is in the stable kernel"
[17:40] <rtg> amitk: pitti wants them for regression tracking.
[17:40] <smb_tp> amitk, IIRC it came from heno because (in case of regression) they wanted to have seperate record
[17:41] <rtg> ogasawara: so, are you gonna experiment with creating SRUs for stable updates?
[17:41] <pgraner> rtg, ogasawara: lets see what we can automate and go from there?
[17:42] <ogasawara> rtg: yup, I'll email when I've got something
[17:42] <rtg> works for me
[17:42] <pgraner> [ACTION] ogasawara to work with rtg on automating the RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process
[17:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogasawara to work with rtg on automating the RFC: Stable kernel updates and the SRU process
[17:43] <smb_tp> Ok, pitti (remembered wrong). Guess this would be a good compromise
[17:43] <pgraner> [TOPIC] UDS Status & Prep
[17:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS Status & Prep
[17:43] <pgraner> Now that the release is out, I've got a ton of UDS actions to get out this week.
[17:44] <pgraner> There have been initial meetings that started Fri and have continued on this week about various cross team initiatives
[17:45] <pgraner> My email to the mailing list will have the mins from those meetings (they are all on wiki.u.c) and agendas with proposed dates for the tracks
[17:45] <pgraner> I'm still waiting on two more meetings to happen this week then I'll get the data together and post it
[17:46] <pgraner> thats about it so far... questions?
[17:46] <pgraner> Then we'll keep moving
[17:46] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Open discussion/Roundtable
[17:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion/Roundtable
[17:46] <pgraner> Any one have anything they want to add before we go into roundtable?
[17:47] <amitk> pgraner: community invites to UDS done?
[17:47] <pgraner> amitk: Yes, I've been given a link to the list, but I didn't have perms to see it, I should be able to see shortly
[17:48] <pgraner> amitk: they did the initial round of invites and there were declines, and they sent out the 2nd round of invites based on the new openings, but thats all I know right now
[17:49] <pgraner> On to roundtable then...
[17:49] <pgraner> I am still recovering from being ill, so I'm a bit behind on things, so I'll be catching up. Other than that nothing other than biz as usual for me
[17:50] <pgraner> rtg: Whats going on in your world?
[17:50] <rtg> SRUs up the wazzoo, lots of wirelsss LBM work.
[17:50] <rtg> uploaded an LBM yesterday.
[17:50] <rtg> working on Intrepid -security update today, then back to SRUs
[17:51] <rtg> full stop.
[17:51] <pgraner> rtg: thanks
[17:51] <pgraner> BenC is out ill today, so we will move on to amitk
[17:51] <pgraner> amitk: whats up?
[17:52] <amitk> Been doing Hardy SRUs for LPIA mostly
[17:52] <amitk> stop
[17:52] <pgraner> amitk: great, thx
[17:53] <pgraner> smb_tp: go...
[17:53] <smb_tp> ok then
[17:53] <smb_tp> moved across the atlantic. trying to work out the pending updates for hardy and gutsy
[17:53] <smb_tp> made intrepid ports for ia64  compiling
[17:53] <smb_tp> thats about it
[17:54] <pgraner> smb_tp: thanks
[17:54] <pgraner> cking: you're next
[17:54] <cking> OEM bug squishing (BIOS reboot/suspend resume and audio) and Thurs/Friday I will be attending Embedded Linux Conference
[17:54]  * ogra waves to cking
[17:54] <rtg> cking has been wearing out SSDs
[17:54] <ogra> :)
[17:55] <cking> and I knackered a SSD doing ISO testing :-)
[17:55] <pgraner> rtg: didn't he kill that SATA drive not to long ago?
[17:55] <cking> stop
[17:55] <cking> ..that was dead on arrival.
[17:55] <rtg> pgraner: yep - he's hard on things. no more toys for Colin
[17:55]  * pgraner renames cking to cking_drive-killer
[17:55] <cking> :^)
[17:55] <pgraner> lieb: whats up?
[17:57] <rtg> pgraner: maybe he's napping?
[17:57] <pgraner> we'll looks like we are missing lieb and sconklin... so I'll call it meeting end.
[17:57] <pgraner> #endmeeting
[17:57] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:57.
[18:00] <lieb> I'm here, just was looking aty the other screen...
[21:11] <nealmcb> Hmm - I guess there is no Community Council Meeting - scheduled to start 10 minutes ago:     Start: 2008-11-04 21:00 End: 2008-11-04 23:00 Timezone: Etc/GMT Location: #ubuntu-meeting The agenda still says The next meeting is scheduled for 21 October 2008, 11:00 UTC ....  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[21:14] <cody-somerville> hmmm


[15:59] <cpaelzer> o/
[15:59] <powersj> o/
[16:00] <gaughen> so I think I'm running the meeting today, although it says chair is rbasak
[16:00] <caribou> \o
[16:00] <jgrimm> o/
[16:00] <jgrimm> thanks gaughen
[16:00] <gaughen> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan  3 16:00:37 2017 UTC.  The chair is gaughen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:00] <jgrimm> indeed, it doesn't look like the wiki page is updated.  fwiw, there were no action items last time
[16:00] <jgrimm> gaughen, ^^
[16:00] <gaughen> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:00] <gaughen> cool, thank you jgrimm
[16:01] <gaughen> no action items, moving on
[16:01] <jgrimm> :)
[16:01] <gaughen> #topic Zesty Development
[16:01] <gaughen> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[16:01] <gaughen> feature freeze is Feb 16, that's the closest date I see
[16:01] <jgrimm> going to be a quiet meeting
[16:02] <gaughen> #subtopic blueprints
[16:02] <gaughen> #https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-z-server-core
[16:02] <gaughen> jgrimm, and that's all right by me!
[16:02] <gaughen> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:02] <gaughen> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-z-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:02] <jgrimm> nothing really new to point out there. good progress
[16:03] <gaughen> not sure anything worth noting
[16:03] <gaughen> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs & SRU/Pending Uploads (caribou)
[16:03] <gaughen> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:03] <gaughen> caribou, any words today?
[16:03] <caribou> LP: #1447715 - dhclient -6: Can't bind to dhcp address: Cannot assign requested address
[16:03] <caribou> LP: #1452202 - ubuntu preseed install fails to set a hostname
[16:03] <caribou> LP: #1579609 - os-prober bug resulting in possible FS corruption
[16:03] <caribou> LP: #1621340 - [SRU]'multipath -r' causes /dev/mapper/<wwid> being removed
[16:03] <caribou> LP: #1640382 - Segfault event notifier because of race condition
[16:03] <caribou> LP: #1642903 - introduce disk/by-id (model_serial) symlinks for NVMe drives
[16:03] <caribou> LP: #1648901 - SPNEGO crash on mechanism failure
[16:03] <caribou> those are the SRU under our radar
[16:04] <gaughen> any comments on them?
[16:04] <gaughen> anybody?
[16:04] <jgrimm> all good
[16:04] <gaughen> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (powersj)
[16:04] <gaughen> #link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/
[16:04] <gaughen> powersj, the mic is yours
[16:04] <powersj> Catching up on bugs and email, then announcing the new integration tests as a part of cloud-init and reviewing wes' merge.
[16:04] <jgrimm> \o/
[16:04] <gaughen> woot! on the new integration tests!!!!
[16:05] <gaughen> moving on
[16:05] <gaughen> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:05] <gaughen> well I see neither of these kernel folks here
[16:05] <gaughen> so I'm just moving on
[16:05] <cpaelzer> not around yet today
[16:05] <gaughen> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:05] <gaughen> #link https://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/cfp/
[16:05] <gaughen> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:05] <jgrimm> nada
[16:06] <gaughen> #topic Open Discussion
[16:06] <gaughen> any open discussions for today/
[16:06] <gaughen> ?
[16:06] <gaughen> 3
[16:06] <gaughen> 2
[16:06] <gaughen> 1
[16:06] <jgrimm> :)
[16:06] <gaughen> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:06] <jgrimm> record time
[16:06] <gaughen> next week, same time, same place - jamespage is scheduled to chair but we should probably find a replacement as he'll be in cpt
[16:07] <gaughen> I could leave rbasak in the lead since he didn't move himself :-)
[16:07] <jgrimm> gaughen, agreed
[16:07] <gaughen> #endmeeting
[16:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  3 16:07:14 2017 UTC.
[16:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-01-03-16.00.moin.txt
[16:07] <gaughen> done.
[16:07] <jgrimm> thanks gaughen
[16:07] <powersj> thanks!
[16:07] <caribou> thanks!
[16:16] <gaughen> you are very welcome, have a great day all!


[04:05] <pleia2> if anyone is around for writing summaries... :)
[05:26] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: I can do a couple in about an hour
[10:16] <Silverlion> hey there!
[15:52] <pleia2> still need a lot of summaries


[22:58] <valorie> oh gosh SeaGL coming up so quickly
[22:58] <valorie> not ready
[22:58] <wxl> sorry not there to help :(
[22:59] <valorie> yeah
[22:59] <valorie> well, I have the box from Jose
[22:59] <valorie> and the kub stickers
[22:59] <valorie> and a hotel room
[23:00] <valorie> so I guess I'm set
[23:00] <wxl> yay :)


[00:01] <idmbe> Thank you guys for help and tips, i should leave now
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> i used to have a recent snaps rss, but cant find it anywhere anymore
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> !23.04
[17:23] <leftyfb> tomreyn: our buddy Toni showed up 10 days later with a compromised machine
[17:26] <tomreyn> leftyfb: was this the marketing person who just wanted a web panel? if so: hehe, you win.
[17:27] <leftyfb> yep
[17:27] <leftyfb> and no. If so, we all lose as they are now contributing to the garbage on the internet
[17:27] <leftyfb> that I have to prevent from hitting all my stuff
[17:28] <tomreyn> i see what you mean
[17:29] <leftyfb> I was wrong though
[17:29] <leftyfb> 2023 Apr 13 14:03:57 <leftyfb>	tomreyn: and I guarantee you that site will still be running 22.04 7 years from now
[17:30] <leftyfb> it didn't make it that far lol
[17:32] <tomreyn> while i think it may be the better choice for him, i'm not sure that just pointing people to a SaaS solution is the right thing to do on an #ubuntu channel. in #security, i would definitely agree, also in #html (or #hosting), if that exists.
[17:34] <leftyfb> tomreyn: they have zero interest in Ubuntu nor security, nor running a server. They just want a website they can "market" all over.
[17:34] <tomreyn> most likely the better choice for this very person and the internet at large,t hough
[17:34] <leftyfb> pretty sure I've never recommended such services to anyone else
[17:34] <leftyfb> I completely understand
[17:35] <leftyfb> in this case, 1 less cesspool on the internet (the server)
[17:35] <leftyfb> I gave them a link on how to lock down ssh and told them to close off all the ports they had open with ufw. They ignored all of it
[17:42] <tomreyn> they did did seem to like the idea of 'running their own server', even though they didn't really want to care about it. they did consider hiring someone to manage the server. but i guess it would have been too expensive and effectively pointing them to an SaaS is, quite likely, still be the best option for them. on the other hand, it could have been a valuable learning path.
[17:42] <leftyfb> I tried the learning path. Didn't work
[17:43] <leftyfb> though, this is probably the best teaching moment. Don't lock down your server = ccompromised
[17:43] <tomreyn> what we best learn by are our own mistakes. personally, i nowadays think it's better to let people who ignore recommendations run into those and hope they make a wiser choice next time. even if this impacts our beloved infrastructure.
[17:48] <tomreyn> and that the real options to reduce the impact of abuse through compromised systems is secure default configurations (whereever possible), to improve detection of compromises, and to limit the impact compromised systems can have
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> 24/7 servers are always targets right
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> not an easy matter to keep it secure both novice or expert
[17:49] <tomreyn> anything that's reachable is a target
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> true
[17:49] <leftyfb> things like changing ssh to a non-standard port ... not something to easily make into a default
[17:49] <leftyfb> disabling ssh password, also a paint to get the public key onto the server for the first time
[17:50] <leftyfb> it's also debatable whether he was compromised via ssh or wordpress
[17:50] <tomreyn> you don't strictly need to switch ssh to a different port as long as you - or - much worse - you host, on their images - don't enable password authentication
[17:50] <leftyfb> either could have had horrible credentials
[17:50] <tomreyn> *youR
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> wordpress is constantly 0day'd
[17:51] <leftyfb> that's what I have fail2ban for :)
[17:51] <leftyfb> and a custom script that keeps wp and all the themes and plugins up to date
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> nice
[17:52] <tomreyn> so your wordpress breaks all the times due to plugin imcompatibilities and badly tested plugin updates?
[17:53] <leftyfb> hardly ever
[17:53] <leftyfb> in 20 or so years I've been hosting wordpress sites, I think I've run into that 2 or 3 times
[17:54] <tomreyn> running wordpress is such a pain, i think 90% of those who do should just switch to static generator.
[17:54] <leftyfb> you just gotta have a competent admin behind it :)
[17:54] <leftyfb> but for just a marketing person, yes, it's a pain
[17:55] <leftyfb> I have a nightly job that updates all the themes and plugins and notifies me when wp itself needs updating. That I do manually
[17:56] <leftyfb> and if I have a problem with any of it, I have nightly backups
[17:57] <leftyfb> I have a bunch of custom fail2ban jails I setup that look for attempts to login and XSS and hits on plugins I don't have. All get blocked
[17:57] <leftyfb> I'm currently hosting 5 sites, but I used to have a dozen or so at any given moment
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> being informed is crucial for sure
[17:58] <tomreyn> okay, that's a volume where it makes sensens, or should i say, is necessary to spend time on improving automation and processes.
[17:58] <leftyfb> yep
[17:59] <leftyfb> and all new sites/accounts/apache/dns are created using ansible
[18:02] <tomreyn> that's nice. at $work, they went with bitnami images (before they were acquired by vmware) https://bitnami.com/stack/wordpress/cloud
[18:04] <tomreyn> the idea would be you have those images providing OS and just replace the OS image occasionally, while WP self-updates and thus "everything" remains up to date.
[18:05] <tomreyn> in reality, that's not true, because they have custom builds of apache and php and openssl which don't get updated when you replace the image
[18:05] <tomreyn> so you gained nothing, yay
[18:08] <tomreyn> also bringing things back together (WP on the one hand and the OS + services on the other) gets harder on every image upgrade since they diverge and they changed how things are managed, too.
[18:09] <tomreyn> so effectively $work ended up with one outdated bitnami image and stopping to swap out images because "too costly"
[18:11] <tomreyn> i.e. "let's wait for a security incident, then we can talk again"


[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/5.25.2/
[14:11] <RikMills> mmikowski: 5.25.2 is building :D
[19:26] <mmikowski> Awesome Rick. We've been pinging Nate Graham too. :)  Looks like the avoid crash in plasma session teardown might resolve 1 of 2 big issues. Fingers crossed!
[20:00] <RikMills> mmikowski: built and copied to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports-landing/+packages
[20:00] <RikMills> waiting for the PPA pubisher to make them available
[20:00] <RikMills> can take some time.....
[20:11] <mmikowski> ah, thanks Rik. We can get them downloading now
[20:14] <mmikowski> ... or just wait :)
[20:14] <mmikowski> let's see how it goes
[21:19] <mmikowski> RikMills: Just installed 5.25.2. Will run tests tomorrow.


[00:58] <Atamira> morning
[00:58] <Atamira> oh wait..its afternoon. darn
[01:00] <mwhudson> oops, sleepy head this morning it seems
[01:04] <Atamira> well no. i went to bed at 5.30am
[01:04] <Atamira> i could have jumped in then but no one else is awake at that time
[01:04] <Atamira> not in this country newaay
[01:04] <Atamira> other than those heading to work or just getting in
[01:05] <mwhudson> Atamira: i meant me :)
[01:05] <Atamira> :o
[01:06] <Atamira> i dont believe you slept in .heh
[01:06] <mwhudson> no, i just forgot to say "morning" :)
[01:07] <Atamira> oh good, i dont feel that bad then
[01:07] <Atamira> its like a ritual to get up and say morning in here now
[16:30] <ajmitch> morning
[19:35] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:31] <chilts> morning
[21:04] <hads> morning
[21:23] <mwhudson> morning
[21:26] <kcj> Morning.
[22:25] <ojwb> morning
[23:19] <Atamira> morning
[23:20] <Veritay> morning :)


[03:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:17] <ducasse> \o Bashing-om
[08:37] <TJ-> good job satellite Internet is more reliable that water supply!
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> have you taken musk as your saviour TJ- :p
[08:38] <daftykins> hrmm does /var/crash only contain the last issue's logs, not historic ones?
[08:38] <TJ-> I've been on Starlink for a while now - fantastic
[08:39] <TJ-> daftykins: usually the ones that haven't been submitted (I'm not sure if crash dumps from non-supported packages are kept)
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> how much does that cost TJ-
[08:40] <daftykins> i need to add a +1 to this - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1353859/ubuntu-18-04-05-lts-desktop-hangs-with-since-kernel-4-15-0-151-and-systemd-237-3
[08:40] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: UK£89 per month. I typically get 200Mbs/20Mbs/40ms
[08:40] <daftykins> my lounge ThinkPad doesn't get a lot of use since i've not been using this room for a while, it's still on 18.04 - the -151 kernel was giving me freezes yesterday
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> wow thats pretty fair price
[08:40] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I cancelled the VDSL landline that cost UK£50 per month for a max of 10Mbs/1Mbs/24ms
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah i also got a vdsl2 here 50/20
[08:41] <TJ-> And, with Starlink, I can move it (Starlink will support roaming later this year)
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> 29 euro internet alone
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you got a dongle for it or something?
[08:42] <TJ-> there's still the occasional brielf (few seconds) outages as satellites aren't quite in sight but thats more than made up for by the overall better performance
[08:42] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no, a dish in the garden on top of a gazebo plugging into my gateway via Ethernet (PC Engines APU2)
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> ah
[08:43] <TJ-> The 'dish' isn't really a dish, it's a planar phased array antenna that steers the beams electronically
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> i see
[08:43] <TJ-> but the antenna has servo motors and GPS and initially aligns itself optimally
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> i had sat tv few years ago, was pretty cool
[08:44] <TJ-> right now, due to limited numbers of satellites, we're limited to the a hexagonal shaped footprint on the ground
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> how much does the dish cost
[08:45] <TJ-> You can watch it live at https://starlink.sx/
[08:46] <TJ-> the UTR (User Terminal aka dish) and a router/AP, both PoE, and PoE power supply UK£489
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> holy tux
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> how many sats did they beam up space already?
[08:46] <TJ-> on starlink.sx if you set your home location you can see which satellites are connected as they fly over, and which ground stations they're using
[08:47] <TJ-> About 1400 with about 1100 operational
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> jeez
[08:47] <TJ-> They're currently doing about 2 launches a month, each deploying 60 satellites
[08:48]  * lotuspsychje puts on his alu hat :p
[08:49] <TJ-> The only downsides so far are 1) the router/AP firmware (OpenWRT) is locked down and cannot be managed in any way (so I don't use it) and 2) they're only doing IPv4 CGNAT (so I have a wireguard tunnel to a server) and on my networks only use IPv6, with NAT64/DNS64 on the public gateway
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> nuts
[08:51] <TJ-> also, the design of the router/AP is silly. Stands tall and slim, 3 sides aluminium so if you position it so the ethernet cables come in to the back the aluminium cases is shielding the wifi which is only escaping out a narrow slot facing the wall... and it falls over really easy, has uneven sides so can't even lie on its side without rocking!
[08:51] <TJ-> looks like a CyberTruck!
[08:53] <TJ-> IPv6 is 'coming' soon - the service is still a beta test and Starlink is rapidly developing the entire network with, sometimes, firmware updates to the *satellites* at least once a week. The latest satellites have laser links and they're creating a mesh network in space so there's no need to downlink to ground stations for starlink to starlink connections
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> https://i0.wp.com/bitsinflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/IMG_1834.jpeg this?
[08:53] <TJ-> the satellites have about 60 separate computers onboard all running Linux
[08:54] <TJ-> "We cannot complete this request, remote data could not be fetched"
[08:54] <TJ-> https://spaceexplored.com/2020/12/07/teardown-of-starlink-user-terminal-gives-a-detailed-look-at-complex-internals/
[08:55] <TJ-> prices are going to drop dramatically in a few months https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/06/musk-aims-to-cut-starlink-user-terminal-price-from-500-to-as-low-as-250/
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> this could get huge
[08:59] <TJ-> that is the expecation. There have been successful tests for aircraft and that market will be huge once airlines start flying as they were before the shutdowns
[09:00] <TJ-> lots of rural services can use it as a backhaul too. The aim is to be able to provide 10Gbps with sub 20ms latency eventually