[00:03] <Jack_Sparrow__> And when it shows they are not really using Ubuntu, they go away
[00:06] <sicc_sicc> I guess "terminal" is sort of a hurdle to some folks...
[00:08] <arooni> any tips to make chrome not take 100% of my CPU?  i already turned on GPU rendering but it seems like it grinds to a halt after opening two or three tabs
[00:10] <Jack_Sparrow__> arooni, I have hulu, netflix and google news open in chrome and running about 10% cpu
[00:10] <IntelCore> can't find an Equalizer for ubuntu .. sound is very tin/canned
[00:11] <arooni> Jack_Sparrow__: did you enable any of the chrome://flags ?  i'm not sure if your system is differnet than mine; i have a i5-2520 dual core processor and 8gb of ram
[00:11] <Jack_Sparrow__> pavucontrol is often a fix for sound
[00:11] <IntelCore> just put pulseAudio on, but that didnot have the EQ setting
[00:11] <ChaiTRex> arooni: Press Shift+Esc to see which tabs are causing it.
[00:11] <Jack_Sparrow__> i3 quad core acer laptop 8 gigs
[00:12] <catbeard> how do i enable sli with nvidia-xconf --sli=On
[00:12] <catbeard> 16.04
[00:12] <catbeard> what package is that
[00:13] <arooni> i have noticed when page is rendering im seeing 30% of cpu to gpu process
[00:13] <arooni> why so high?
[00:14] <arooni> if its really the gpu rendering, why wouldnt the cpu effect be minimal
[00:14] <ChaiTRex> arooni: It could be the CPU directing data to and from the GPU.
[00:16] <IntelCore> why it a .deb file?
[00:17] <hotCamlongM35181> WHERE MY NIGGAS BE AT??  CHECK OUT....quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: ryan-c `z Emmanuel_Chanel maddawg2 ash_workz DenBeiren rmcadams PipeItToDevNull `ryban sunrunner20 kenrin WizardGed Onionnion jagrutiD rideh Ohoname[m] danielbw mhoney ceed^ tortal mypapit gravyv justinabr [B] raffi zeekhuge stub reisi_ test222 WildSoft sab mglad ruptwelve mem shiznix bs cylon512 SkyPatrol primoz timrs2998 Ceber Guest71719 Cu5tosLimen WARlrus lel- to
[00:17] <sjohnson> what's a nigga
[00:17] <sjohnson> err, sorry.
[00:17] <sjohnson> i got pinged.
[00:17] <hdon__> hi all :) is it possible to identify NICs by mac address in /etc/network/interfaces instead of my symbolic named assigned by the kernel (eth0, eth1, etc.) sort of how /etc/fstab can use a disklabel's UUID instead of e.g. /dev/sda ?
[00:19] <IntelCore> 16.04 update
[00:20] <IntelCore> yah update idk what
[00:23] <mmanso> Hi All!
[00:24] <nonix4c> hrm... didn't get unity (--replace) to work properly. Resorted to installing random other wm, picked openbox this time... but how do I get access to other "desktops" than "1" in that? as in "send to desktop" lists only "desktop 1" and "alL"; how to add more? been a think it has been a decade since I used those...?
[00:24] <mmanso> I've a ubuntu system which I've done a lot of tweaks and instalations to it. Now, I've a fresh ubuntu installed on another box. There's any recipe that I could do a tgz of the entire system and copy it to the fresh one so it would become exactly like the first one?
[00:25] <mmanso> First box is a normal GRUB one, second is a EFI BIOS one... that's why I'd like to use this way...
[00:25] <ChaiTRex> mmanso: Not really.
[00:26] <mmanso> ChaiTRex: such a thing isn't possible?
[00:26] <ChaiTRex> mmanso: It's probably possible, but I don't think anybody's made a tool to do it.
[00:27] <ChaiTRex> mmanso: I mean to do it properly.
[00:28] <mmanso> ChaiTRex: this system we have is deployed via an Acronis Image. The problem is that it doesn't work with both BIOS and UEFI modes...
[00:29] <mmanso> I was trying to install a brand new uubntu on a UEFI machine (ubuntu installer handles that) and that copy the entire system to it. This way, I would avoid applyed all the configurations to the new instalatiom
[00:30] <arooni> is diabling bootloader graphics as described in https://askubuntu.com/questions/625534/how-can-i-solve-the-chrome-performance-problems-on-ubuntu-gnome-15-04/625545 ;; recommended or not in ubuntu 16.04 ?
[00:30] <ChaiTRex> mmanso: I don't know anything about Acronis Image.
[00:31] <ChaiTRex> mmanso: They might have some way of doing it.
[00:31] <Bashing-om> mmanso: mormal grub is MBR partitioning .. and UEFI is GPT partitioning . Do not think you want to even think about it .
[00:32] <mmanso> Bashing-om: I've a "master" ubuntu instalation with our system on it. Since ubuntu installer handles that, I was trying to use it to install the standard system and after that, copy the entire "master" system into it
[00:32] <nonix4c> Ok apparently obconf can manage them desktops in openbox... could be enough to get access to my main irc window back, bbl.
[00:34] <Bashing-om> !aptoncd | mmanso
[00:34] <psychoticwarrior> im psychotic
[00:36] <psychoticwarrior> super grub 2 disk is good for partitioning too
[00:36] <psychoticwarrior> or editing your partitions
[00:38] <IntelCore> ubuntu software panel saying one update .. installing.. sits there
[00:39] <psychoticwarrior> try software updater
[00:39] <psychoticwarrior> then check for newer versionl
[00:39] <psychoticwarrior> version
[00:39] <coffeeguy> 'sudo apt update ?
[00:39] <psychoticwarrior> su -
[00:39] <coffeeguy> apt has a pretty progress bar :)
[00:40] <coffeeguy>  sudo
[00:40] <coffeeguy> unless you're running debian
[00:40] <IntelCore> updater goes "waiting"
[00:41] <IntelCore> i am seeing a movie atm
[00:41] <Bashing-om> IntelCore: A EULA that must be accepted stuck behind the open window ??
[00:42] <IntelCore> no eula. is just checking for updates. hung
[00:42] <IntelCore> have hexchat, fox and the updater open
[00:43] <FManTropyx> updater has never played a movie for me
[00:44] <IntelCore> stopped it - got this "Secure boot chain-loading bootloader.."
[00:44] <psychoticwarrior> hmm so software updater doesnt work?
[00:44] <psychoticwarrior> windows has to be installed first
[00:44] <IntelCore> idk.. but it said the software had already been downloaded
[00:44] <psychoticwarrior> do u have a usb external hard drive connected that may mess with the MBR
[00:45] <IntelCore> it a dual boot
[00:45] <IntelCore> ggots grub loader
[00:47] <psychoticwarrior> what does it say
[00:48] <psychoticwarrior> IntelCore
[00:51] <IntelCore> idk what this chailoading is about. I did not allow it for now..
[00:52] <IntelCore> I am on this ubuntu now
[00:52] <psychoticwarrior> its part of the windows
[00:52] <psychoticwarrior> its how windows boots
[00:52] <IntelCore> It boot after the upgrade
[00:52] <psychoticwarrior> i have chainloader too and I have triple boot OS for 1TB hard drive
[00:52] <psychoticwarrior> nice thats good
[00:53] <IntelCore> i have an extra empty partition, but this update is for ubuntu
[00:53] <psychoticwarrior> good
[00:54] <psychoticwarrior> If you decide to go triple. Increase the size of partition or leave it if you want to install a third OS
[00:54] <IntelCore> but.. it won't.. so i set it to remind me later
[00:54] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[00:55] <psychoticwarrior> what version of windows do you have?
[00:59] <pavlos> this is win10 but I use linux (ubuntu-mate and other flavors).
[00:59] <pavlos> sorry wrong channel
[00:59] <catbeard> how do i enable sli with nvidia-xconf --sli=On, or is it nvidia-xconfig ?
[01:00] <psychoticwarrior> not sure catbeard
[01:04] <MiraMesa> does anybody know about Miramar college in Mira Mesa, California's Ubuntu program?
[01:04] <MiraMesa> they teach English as a second language to Muslims (particularly women) which is a spy language based on metaphore
[01:04] <MiraMesa> Mesa College as well
[01:04] <MiraMesa> SDCCD
[01:05] <MiraMesa> anybody have some of this information but need more?
[01:05] <MiraMesa> I am highly motivated to deceminate it
[01:05] <MiraMesa> disseminate*
[01:06] <AceBlade258> Howdo I prevent an adapter from obtaining n IPv6 address? specifically, a bridge?
[01:07] <AceBlade258> I have a the line `iface br3 inet6 manual` in my interfaces file, but br3 is still getting an ipv6 address
[01:07] <AceBlade258> 16.04, btw
[01:08] <IntelCore> MiraMesa - call Homeland Security
[01:08] <MiraMesa> they're already listening to every word i say
[01:09] <MiraMesa> i think it's hilarious they hired fat black women to man the airports
[01:09] <MiraMesa> to appear incompetent
[01:09] <MiraMesa> but really it was an emergency aggregation of the most trusted people
[01:09] <MiraMesa> post 9/11
[01:09] <MiraMesa> i know everything
[01:09] <MiraMesa> don't piss me off
[01:10] <IntelCore> wee :P
[01:18] <|subz3r0|> hi
[01:18] <|subz3r0|> anyone around whos familiar with iptables?
[01:18] <|subz3r0|> have some weird issue here and i dont see whats wrong
[01:19] <pavlos> |subz3r0|: can you pastebin the issue?
[01:20] <|subz3r0|> https://pastebin.com/NMX9Fj61
[01:20] <|subz3r0|> invalid works, service log works... rest does not
[01:20] <|subz3r0|> no nmap scan will be logged, even simple icmp
[01:21] <|subz3r0|> even no simple...
[01:21] <psychoticwarrior> I only know basic iptables
[01:21] <psychoticwarrior> where are you having troubl?
[01:22] <|subz3r0|> it does not log
[01:22] <|subz3r0|> it logs invalid and the service connections.. but thats it
[01:22] <psychoticwarrior> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -j LOG
[01:22] <psychoticwarrior> iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp -j LOG
[01:22] <psychoticwarrior> try taht
[01:22] <psychoticwarrior> that
[01:22] <|subz3r0|> uhmm?
[01:22] <|subz3r0|> i guess my policy is a bit more complex
[01:23] <zachflem> hi folks, ive got a clean server install (16.04) and I'm trying to get usb drive to automount and eventually, auto share via samba.  I've tried following a heap of guides i've found via google, but i keep hitting a brick wall.
[01:23] <|subz3r0|> not that complex but more than just jump to log chain
[01:23] <|subz3r0|> iptables -A INPUT --j LOG --log-prefix "DROP: " --log-tcp-options --log-ip-options
[01:23] <|subz3r0|> this does not work
[01:23] <|subz3r0|> and it makes absolutely no sense
[01:23] <amicrawler> is the ati 5450 a ok video card
[01:24] <|subz3r0|> sorry... this
[01:24] <|subz3r0|> iptables -A INPUT ! -i lo -j LOG --log-prefix "DROP: " --log-tcp-options --log-ip-options
[01:24] <psychoticwarrior> whats your interface for wireless device
[01:24] <|subz3r0|> amicrawler: go buy a decent nvidia
[01:24] <psychoticwarrior> iptables -A INPUT -i <dev> -j LOG
[01:24] <|subz3r0|> amd cards make just issues
[01:24] <|subz3r0|> no good driver implementation
[01:25] <|subz3r0|> psychoticwarrior: i am really glad you try to help... but this makes no sense
[01:25] <amicrawler> i have a nvidia but locks up my hardware
[01:25] <|subz3r0|> because my rule says: log everything besides loopback
[01:25] <tomreyn> sorry, but that's entirely your subjective opinion, i disagree.
[01:25] <amicrawler> gt 750
[01:25] <arooni> how come i need to run sudo ./memory-usage.py for something in my ~/bin directory?  when i try calling it directly i see: sudo: real-memory-usage.py: command not found
[01:26] <|subz3r0|> tomreyn: when u disagree to someones view... u should mention who you talking to....
[01:26] <tomreyn> |subz3r0|: okay, i thought that'd be obvious, i was talking to you
[01:26] <pavlos> |subz3r0|: maybe you can create a new chain, iptables -N LOGGING and change -j LOGGING
[01:27] <|subz3r0|> tomreyn: feel fine with your AMD card... but you should not recommend obviously bullshit
[01:27] <|subz3r0|> pavlos: i dont want to create a new chain... sure i can... but i want to understand why its not working
[01:27] <amicrawler> is a gt 710 ok card
[01:28] <amicrawler> with nvida i get line lag across the top of my screen
[01:28] <amicrawler> ati i dont
[01:28] <|subz3r0|> amicrawler: maybe you should mention or explain what issues you have with the nvidia card... which driver do you use? noveau? nvidia properitary?
[01:28] <amicrawler> from nvidia
[01:28] <|subz3r0|> which ubuntu version?
[01:28] <tomreyn> |subz3r0|: ... i'm not planning to start a religious fight about graphics chipset vendors here. i just think you should not state your personal opinion like it is a fact for someone who is trying to get an idea what is compatible.
[01:28] <|subz3r0|> driver?
[01:29] <|subz3r0|> tomreyn: its not my personal opinion. its a fact. as it ever was a fact that ATI suxx on *nix
[01:29] <amicrawler> it is a gt710 msi
[01:30] <tomreyn> |subz3r0|: i still disagree, you just keep repeating that it's a fact.
[01:30] <amicrawler> i like nvidia but does not work right
[01:30] <amicrawler> my computer is a hp z200
[01:30] <amicrawler> i5
[01:31] <amicrawler> may its msi
[01:31] <amicrawler> my desktop would lock up
[01:31] <amicrawler> mouse etc:
[01:31] <amicrawler> could not do any thing but hard reset
[01:32] <LinuxWifiHelp> I'm not quite sure how to set up Wifi drivers on Linux. I'm on a live USB for Ubuntu 16.04 and I'm using the Netgear WNDA3100 v1 . It is thinks it's on Ethernet, and I'm not quite sure where to get the drivers. On my main PC now if downloading is needed.
[01:32] <LinuxWifiHelp> It is thinks it's on Ethernet, and I'm not quite sure where to get the drivers. On my main PC now if downloading is needed.
[01:33] <zachflem> anyone with any advice on setting up usb drive auto mounting on server 16.04 ?
[01:33] <amicrawler> that should work just fine
[01:33] <amicrawler> linuxwifihelp: should work just fine
[01:34] <amicrawler> you may half to compile drivers
[01:34] <amicrawler> but should work
[01:35] <|subz3r0|> tomreyn: feel happy with your ati... now annoy someone else...
[01:35] <|subz3r0|> amicrawler: you just did not answer to my questions
[01:35] <LinuxWifiHelp> How would I compile the drivers?
[01:35] <|subz3r0|> but okay... once again
[01:35] <|subz3r0|> WHICH ubuntu version?
[01:35] <|subz3r0|> WHICH driver?
[01:35] <amicrawler> oem driver from nvidia ubuntu 14.04 x64
[01:36] <amicrawler> or 16.04
[01:36] <amicrawler> same on both computers card acts the same
[01:36] <LinuxWifiHelp> Ubuntu 16.04 and  Netgear WNDA3100v1 driversd
[01:36] <tomreyn> |subz3r0|: lol, did i annoy you by kindly asking you to not staste as a fact what is apparently a personal opinion? i don't think that's my fault. just try to be a bit more open minded. if you state things as a fact you must be prepared to back it up, but you have not even tried to.
[01:36] <amicrawler> my screen is a samsung 21 hdmi
[01:37] <pavlos> |subz3r0|: if you add --log-level 6, do you get any output in /var/log/syslog?
[01:37] <amicrawler> but using the dvi-i port
[01:37] <Bashing-om> amicrawler: I run the GT 710 card with the 375 version driver on 16.04 with no issue at all .
[01:37] <amicrawler> so im wondering if its a bad card
[01:38] <RawketLawncha> !register
[01:39] <LinuxWifiHelp> Help
[01:39] <|subz3r0|> pavlos: no
[01:40] <pavlos> |subz3r0|: another suggestion ... https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/force-iptables-to-log-messages-to-a-different-log-file.html
[01:41] <psychoticwarrior> iptables -A INPUT -j LOG
[01:41] <|subz3r0|> pavlos: thats exactly what im doing
[01:41] <psychoticwarrior> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -j LOG
[01:41] <tomreyn> !wifi | LinuxWifiHelp: have you tried this?
[01:41] <psychoticwarrior> iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp -j LOG
[01:41] <|subz3r0|> i log to a differnt file via rsyslog
[01:41] <amicrawler> LinuxWifiHelp: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383708
[01:42] <|subz3r0|> psychoticwarrior: really thanks for trying to help. but this makes no sense at all in my case
[01:42] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[01:42] <psychoticwarrior> my bad
[01:42] <psychoticwarrior> it will log both udp and tcp
[01:42] <psychoticwarrior> if you need that
[01:43] <tomreyn> LinuxWifiHelp: did you see ubottu's message?
[01:43] <amicrawler> there is a bug with the 710 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1587730
[01:45] <|subz3r0|> psychoticwarrior: i have differnt loggings... for example. log allowed application logins, log invalid (xmas scan, mamon scan and so on (INVALID), AND log the rest which is not allowed my the rules. but it does not log the rest
[01:48] <donofrio> **need some help** - I missed a file location to where the isight firmware location is needed....I apt-get install then oppsed then apt-get remove and apt-get install but no wizard shows up again ;( help https://turanct.wordpress.com/tag/appleusbvideosupport/
[01:49] <LinuxWifiHelp> Working on it <3
[01:49] <pavlos> |subz3r0|: I typed, sudo iptables -A INPUT -j LOG and my syslog is filling up
[01:49] <zachflem> Any Help with this???   E: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-i386/Packages  403  Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[01:51] <tomreyn> zachflem: i think the primary AU mirror is broken, at least there was someone else having issues with it during last week here. use au2 instead
[01:51] <|subz3r0|> pavlos: yes of course it does...
[01:52] <donofrio> does anyone know where I should place the firmware that I have only after I installed it and skipped the firmware wizard, I wish I could just rerun it but do not know
[01:52] <zachflem> tomreyn: is that as simple as changing the sources list to au2. ?
[01:52] <tomreyn> zachflem: yes exactly. you just: sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:52] <zachflem> tomreyn, cheers =)
[01:54] <pavlos> |subz3r0|: could it be there is a mistake somewhere trying to log to another file? just thinking out loud ...
[01:54] <donofrio> anyone know the apt/dpkg command to list files in package?  (aka woud like to know fireware wizard script so I can run it 2nd time)
[01:54] <tomreyn> donofrio: dpkg -S packagename
[01:55] <tomreyn> sorry, dpkg -L packagename
[01:55] <tomreyn> -S is the reverse (find package hich contains the given path)
[01:55] <tomreyn> welcome, zach
[01:55] <|subz3r0|> pavlos: that could be... but i should see the hits with "iptables -vnL" for that rule
[01:56] <Bashing-om> donofrio: dpkg -L <packagename> - note that is an upper case ell .
[01:56] <pavlos> donofrio: there is an apt-file you can install
[01:59] <pavlos> |subz3r0|: I see an entry,   725 53661 LOG        all  --  *      *       <IP_ADDRESS>/0            <IP_ADDRESS>/0            LOG flags 0 level 4
[02:03] <IntelCore> scary LIFE movie
[02:03] <bazhang> IntelCore, thats not topical here
[02:03] <IntelCore> :P
[02:08] <IntelCore> drivers update Unkown:Unknown
[02:09] <AceBlade258> sudo dnf -y update
[02:09] <IntelCore> this device is not working
[02:09] <AceBlade258> oh, shoot! sorry!
[02:09] <IntelCore> ok let me terminal
[02:09] <IntelCore> ok now what to type on terminal
[02:12] <IntelCore> firmware for intel cpu's from intel-microcode
[02:12] <zachflem> tomreyn, i changed the repo sources, and thats fixed my first hurdle.  Installed usbmount, and it's created the folders in /media/usb0-7 but the disks aren't mounting
[02:13] <Atm0spher1c> hi, which debian release is 16.04.2 LTS based on? Is there a wiki for the info?
[02:14] <ChaiTRex> Atm0spher1c: Check /etc/debian_version
[02:14] <Atm0spher1c> oh i dont' have it installed, but thanks
[02:15] <ChaiTRex> Atm0spher1c: It's stretch/sid
[02:15] <ChaiTRex> Atm0spher1c: See also https://askubuntu.com/a/445496/616451
[02:16] <Atm0spher1c> when stretch comes out, does ubuntu follow with another LTS based on debian testing?
[02:21] <IntelCore> whaaa?  I am not gonna apply microcode every boot up !
[02:21] <IntelCore> I might update the firmware once
[02:22] <IntelCore> intel-microcode 3.20151106.1 source package in Ubuntu
[02:22] <ChaiTRex> Atm0spher1c: I'm not sure about that.
[02:25] <IntelCore> for one thing, this is a writeable in a driver form and it is not a machine update - it's for linix
[02:27] <IntelCore> I would go intel for firmware.  Tell Canonical ubuntu don't need intel updates.. it's not fancy
[02:27] <donofrio> guessing these are bad? (screensave kicks on randomnly at times) "LanguageInvoker[27382]: segfault at 8c7f54c0 ip 8c7f54c0 sp 8fd9c40c error 15"
[02:27] <Guy1524> hey guys I am trying to use steam in home streaming on a non steam game, with the audio only playing on the remote pc, how can I accomplish this?
[02:28] <Guy1524> is there a way into sending the output to the streaming output but not the speakers?
[02:28] <Guy1524> although I think the streaming client uses also
[02:28] <IntelCore> broadcast it windows
[02:28] <donofrio> hardware is https://apaste.info/ace5
[02:29] <Guy1524> I don't have a windows machine
[02:29] <Atm0spher1c> Guy1524, you're question is difficult to understand
[02:30] <Atm0spher1c> Guy1524, maybe look into pulse sinks
[02:31] <Guy1524> Atm0spher1c: do you know what steam in home streaming is?
[02:31] <Guy1524> in case not, its where you broadcast a game from one computer to another over a local network
[02:31] <Atm0spher1c> yes, but that's not the part that doesn't really make sense
[02:31] <Guy1524> my problem is that the audio also plays on the host
[02:31] <IntelCore> steam has broadcast.. under win 10 to another friend(s)
[02:31] <Atm0spher1c> Guy1524, mute the host?
[02:31] <Guy1524> that also mutes the remote client
[02:32] <Guy1524> for some reason the volume of the audio on remote is directly affected by the volume of host
[02:32] <IntelCore> oic now
[02:32] <Guy1524> is there a way to hardware disable the speakers in the imac that is the host
[02:32] <IntelCore> unplug speakers
[02:33] <Atm0spher1c> oh so you're using an imac as host?
[02:33] <Guy1524> ya
[02:33] <Guy1524> so i can't unplug speakers
[02:33] <Atm0spher1c> and its running ubuntu?
[02:34] <donofrio> mine is ;) https://apaste.info/ace5
[02:34] <Guy1524> ya
[02:34] <Guy1524> it is
[02:34] <Guy1524> if I select any other output source, the streaming breaks
[02:34] <Guy1524> so I need a hardware solution
[02:35] <Atm0spher1c> plug in headphones
[02:35] <Guy1524> or something below the streaming the software
[02:35] <Guy1524> I don't have a spare set of headphones
[02:35] <Guy1524> actually, i do
[02:35] <donofrio> my imac even has external monitor ;) https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNmJhd3510uRuaDUh4CA
[02:35] <Atm0spher1c> lol
[02:36] <IntelCore> audio midi setup
[02:36] <IntelCore> there is a hardware for audio yes
[02:36] <Guy1524> thx that worked
[02:37] <IntelCore> the T2 interface
[02:38] <psychoticwarrior> are you having trouble with sound?
[02:39] <IntelCore> he was
[02:39] <IntelCore> mine still idk
[02:39] <IntelCore> I am more worried with driver, intel microcode
[02:42] <psychoticwarrior> yea i have an intel internal sound card too
[02:42] <IntelCore> software & updates now hung waiting..
[02:42] <psychoticwarrior> hmm
[02:42] <psychoticwarrior> did the interface drop
[02:42] <psychoticwarrior> ?
[02:43] <IntelCore> i told tha microcode thing not to install.. the software & updates went to update cache.. so i toldit to
[02:44] <IntelCore> now it stuck waiting on cache
[02:44] <zachflem> auto mounting usb drives in server 16.04. Any gurus? I've got usbmount installed, but it's not mounting the drives
[02:44] <psychoticwarrior> fdisk -l
[02:44] <psychoticwarrior> paste your output
[02:45] <e-vent> Anyone know where I need to edit the grub on boot for this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/858743/ubuntu-16-04-black-screen-with-intel-gma-3650-graphics
[02:46] <psychoticwarrior> pico /etc/grub/grub.cfg
[02:46] <e-vent> I'm stuck with a blank screen as described but need to do it via the grub prompt
[02:46] <psychoticwarrior> download super grub 2 disk
[02:46] <e-vent> I whack the options after the linux boot image but no dice
[02:46] <zachflem> psychoticwarrior: https://pastebin.com/t90bkBHa
[02:46] <e-vent> Can I  not edit it from the grub cmd line?
[02:47] <e-vent> then get a working screen and edit it permanently ?
[02:47] <psychoticwarrior> grub-install /dev/sda
[02:47] <psychoticwarrior> update-grub
[02:47] <psychoticwarrior> update-initramnfs -u
[02:47] <psychoticwarrior> do that in order
[02:47] <e-vent> I have no networking in order to do that over SSH
[02:47] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[02:48] <psychoticwarrior> download super grub 2 disk
[02:48] <psychoticwarrior> go to operating systems
[02:48] <e-vent> Yeah I have a live boot ready
[02:48] <psychoticwarrior> click on linux
[02:48] <e-vent> but can I not do this from grub?
[02:48] <psychoticwarrior> possibl
[02:48] <psychoticwarrior> possibly
[02:48] <psychoticwarrior> but enter password to your machine
[02:48] <psychoticwarrior> once youve done that. grub-install /dev/sda
[02:48] <psychoticwarrior> update-grub
[02:48] <psychoticwarrior> update-initramfs -u
[02:50] <e-vent> Alrighty
[02:51] <psychoticwarrior> good luck
[02:51] <psychoticwarrior> tell me if you need anything else
[02:51] <e-vent> My concern is, having set the option in grub already
[02:51] <e-vent> its something else causing the issue
[02:51] <psychoticwarrior> what does it say
[02:51] <e-vent> because networking should have started and I should have network
[02:52] <e-vent> for ssh*
[02:53] <psychoticwarrior> did you edit /etc/ssh/ssh_config and /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[02:53] <psychoticwarrior> have you chosen a different destination port
[02:53] <psychoticwarrior> can root login or no?
[02:54] <e-vent> Nah SSH is standard
[02:54] <e-vent> New Ubuntu Server install
[02:54] <e-vent> I know the login details
[02:54] <e-vent> but single user isn't displaying either
[02:55] <psychoticwarrior> apt-get remove ssh
[02:55] <psychoticwarrior> apt-get install ssh
[02:55] <psychoticwarrior> try that
[02:55] <psychoticwarrior> then edit /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[02:55] <psychoticwarrior> and /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[02:55] <psychoticwarrior> check iptables too
[02:56] <e-vent> Yeah that stuff is fine
[02:56] <e-vent> Suspect it isnt asking DHCP
[02:56] <psychoticwarrior> weird
[02:56] <e-vent> Not a problem if I can get a bloody screen
[02:56] <psychoticwarrior> yea i have weird things happen when i boot up into windows its a weird screen but boots up fine
[02:57] <psychoticwarrior> i currently run windows 7 ultimate, ubuntu 17.04 and kali linux 2017.1
[02:58] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | e-vent
[02:59] <e-vent> yup
[02:59] <e-vent> that is what I am trying to set
[03:01] <Bashing-om> e-vent: How further can we assist ? Where are you stuck at ?
[03:01] <e-vent> I still have no screen
[03:02] <e-vent> Gimmie a min
[03:02] <psychoticwarrior> damn
[03:02] <psychoticwarrior> vga or dvi?
[03:02] <e-vent> Both
[03:03] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[03:04] <ElectrumGuy> I am having a weird issue with rc.local.
[03:04] <ElectrumGuy> it isn't running the commands in it.
[03:04] <ElectrumGuy> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 884 May 27 23:03 /etc/rc.local are the permissions for it.
[03:04] <ElectrumGuy> and the files it is executing are 777 for chmod.
[03:05] <ElectrumGuy> Using ubuntu 14.04
[03:05] <psychoticwarrior> yes usually you cant get any packages at 14.04 i had a problem. are you trying to upgrade it?
[03:05] <ElectrumGuy> No, I am not.
[03:06] <ElectrumGuy> I am trying to run a simple sh script.
[03:06] <psychoticwarrior> ya i see
[03:06] <ElectrumGuy> sh /home/jorged/startup1.sh
[03:06] <ElectrumGuy> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jorged jorged  121 May 27 22:56 startup1.sh
[03:06] <ElectrumGuy> these are permissions for the startup1.sh script.
[03:06] <ElectrumGuy> when I run it manually ./startup1.sh it works.
[03:07] <ElectrumGuy> just not on startup as it should
[03:07] <psychoticwarrior> yea im not sure
[03:07] <psychoticwarrior> weird
[03:07] <ChaiTRex> ElectrumGuy: It may be a security error to have /etc/rc.local with those permissions.
[03:07] <ElectrumGuy> I can do 770
[03:08] <ChaiTRex> ElectrumGuy: The default is 755
[03:08] <ElectrumGuy> this is just to eliminate any potential permission issues.
[03:08] <ChaiTRex> ElectrumGuy: You may also have an encrypted home directory.
[03:08] <ElectrumGuy> I do not.
[03:08] <ElectrumGuy> this is a fresh ubuntu 14.04 install on a vm.
[03:08] <e-vent> nomodeset does not fix the issue
[03:08] <e-vent> still no network
[03:09] <ChaiTRex> ElectrumGuy: Is exit 0 the last line of /etc/rc.local?
[03:09] <ElectrumGuy> it is.
[03:09] <ElectrumGuy> ChaiTRex, https://pastebin.com/DF7A3L9P
[03:09] <zachflem> psychoticwarrior: did you have a chance to have a look at that pastbin of the output of fdisk -l?
[03:11] <ElectrumGuy> ChaiTRex, any ideas or alternatives?
[03:11] <e-vent> Guess I'll reinstall
[03:12] <ChaiTRex> ElectrumGuy: Sorry, no.
[03:13] <ChaiTRex> ElectrumGuy: One alternative is to run things @reboot in your crontab.
[03:13] <ElectrumGuy> I might try that...
[03:13] <ElectrumGuy> how would I run multiple sh files though?
[03:15] <ChaiTRex> ElectrumGuy: You can do: @reboot script1 && script2 && script3 && script4 && script5
[03:15] <ElectrumGuy> cool
[03:15] <ChaiTRex> ElectrumGuy: You may want to set the PATH as well in the crontab.
[03:16] <ElectrumGuy> I am testing it now to see.
[03:16] <psychoticwarrior> e-vent any luck
[03:16] <e-vent> set nomodeset
[03:16] <e-vent> no screen
[03:16] <psychoticwarrior> sucks
[03:16] <e-vent> no network
[03:16] <e-vent> just reinstalling it
[03:17] <psychoticwarrior> what version of ubuntu?\
[03:17] <S1GM4> Hello! I have a rather ODD request.
[03:17] <e-vent> Current LTS
[03:17] <psychoticwarrior> 17.04?
[03:18] <ChaiTRex> psychoticwarrior: Even number followed by usually 04 is LTS.
[03:18] <e-vent> 16.04.2 LTS
[03:18] <S1GM4> I'm wanting to grant an "internet friend" I've known for several years SSH access to my server on a basic level so he can add files onto my webserver (taking advantage of everything that has to offer, maybe even will set him up some database access as well eventually, etc.)
[03:18] <S1GM4> is there a guide out there for "setting up a shell account for an emotionally unstable distant internet friend"?
[03:18] <e-vent> Yeah
[03:18] <psychoticwarrior> why not install 17.04?
[03:18] <e-vent> It's a website with the title
[03:18] <e-vent> NOPE
[03:18] <S1GM4> XD hahaha
[03:19] <psychoticwarrior> 16.04 is fine
[03:19] <e-vent> I want LTS psychoticwarrior
[03:19] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[03:19] <psychoticwarrior> cool bro
[03:19] <e-vent> If one insists S1GM4 be careful with permissions
[03:19] <S1GM4> I mean, I'm fairly certain I can lock down his shell account to a good degree, but I want to take some extra precautions
[03:19] <e-vent> and use FTP
[03:19] <ChaiTRex> S1GM4: You could use port forwarding with a virtual machine.
[03:20] <e-vent> Don't give em execute
[03:20] <e-vent> just give em FTP
[03:20] <e-vent> perfect for adding or removing files
[03:20] <S1GM4> I can't kind of "lock" his shell into some /var/www/html/ directory with no execute, etc.?
[03:20] <S1GM4> and have him sftp?
[03:20] <e-vent> you could home him into /var/www/dudestuff
[03:20] <e-vent> no problem
[03:20] <e-vent> set perms
[03:21] <ChaiTRex> You could probably set his shell to /bin/false
[03:21] <e-vent> but you really don't want to grant any execute perms
[03:21] <S1GM4> Just chown it to his account? What other precautions should I take with the directory structure itself?
[03:21] <e-vent> or just only give him FTP access to that folder
[03:21] <S1GM4> yeah, I can't see him making any arguments for execute permissions
[03:21] <e-vent> in which case you can just make an FTP account
[03:22] <ChaiTRex> You could make a web application that allows him to upload and download after entering a password.
[03:22] <S1GM4> I'm actually going to ask him what would be wrong with just an ftp access and why he wants/needs shell
[03:22] <e-vent> He might be interested in something like rsync?
[03:22] <e-vent> psychoticwarrior, its a network gatewayu
[03:22] <e-vent> hence LTS
[03:23] <psychoticwarrior> right on
[03:24] <S1GM4> hmm ChaiTRex: That is a good diea, right up my alley haha, and would remove a lot of problems right off the bat, unless he wants to start settup up complex directory structure, etc.
[03:24] <e-vent> S1GM4, owncloud?
[03:25] <S1GM4> heh, he seems fine with just taking ftp access
[03:25] <S1GM4> so that will take a lot of stress off the situation
[03:25] <S1GM4> the guy seems nice and all, but I think he has a few mental problems
[03:25] <psychoticwarrior> who?
[03:25] <S1GM4> (I met him on coughsyrup internets, so...)
[03:25] <S1GM4> random internet friend needing some server space/access
[03:25] <e-vent> yeah I'd be wary of CP
[03:26] <e-vent> or other illegal shit
[03:26] <S1GM4> Yeah, I'll monitor heavily what he puts on there for a while, but he doesn't strike me as *that* type
[03:26] <psychoticwarrior> who aer you talking about
[03:27] <S1GM4> A random person I know mostly via IRC since about 2008 or so
[03:28] <psychoticwarrior> oh ok
[03:28] <psychoticwarrior> whats his deal
[03:29] <S1GM4> I think he might do some drugs and stuff, but mostly he just makes a bunch of weird art and other stuff, semi-memes more focused on the community he is a part of (Dextroverse, which is an internet harm reduction community for people that drink too much Robitussin)
[03:29] <S1GM4> So I mean, that is kind of a red flag, but luckily points away from piracy or cp or anything which i can't afford to have on my server :x
[03:30] <S1GM4> I ran a web server wayyy back when I was 13 or so (I was born in 1987, so do the math), and I sold a lot of web space back then for really cheap, as I had a great connection and a reliable old Red Hat box.
[03:30] <psychoticwarrior> yea robotrip. been there done that. shit messes with your mind
[03:30] <S1GM4> I stopped doing it after I seen what some of my clients were uploading :( lol
[03:30] <S1GM4> not CP, but stuff almost as bad.  I be sorta confused .
[03:48] <e-vent> No
[03:48] <e-vent> Now SSH is fine
[03:48] <e-vent> it wasn't negotiating an IP earlier
[03:48] <e-vent> plus no screen
[03:49] <psychoticwarrior> so what did u do to fix it
[03:49] <e-vent> Now I have the IP and SSH I can deal with it
[03:49] <e-vent> I reinstalled the OS and moved port on the wall
[03:49] <psychoticwarrior> rigth on
[03:49] <psychoticwarrior> what version u using now
[03:49] <e-vent> You guys know what drivers I need for the GMA3600?
[03:50] <e-vent> Still on 16.04.2 LTS
[03:50] <e-vent> just used the same install media again
[03:50] <psychoticwarrior> right on
[03:51] <psychoticwarrior> |subz3r0| whats going on
[03:51] <Bashing-om> e-vent: "GMA3600" that SIS graphics ?
[03:51] <e-vent> Intel
[03:52] <Bashing-om> e-vent: ' lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga  ' in a pastebin, please .
[03:53] <e-vent> https://pastebin.com/jbT1Vrgw
[03:54] <e-vent> just installed the Open Source intel drivers
[03:54] <psychoticwarrior> nice bro
[03:54] <e-vent> I have a feeling that drivers+nomodeset will work
[03:54] <e-vent> Begs the question why the installer didn't put the GPU drivers on?
[03:59] <e-vent> Negative then
[03:59] <e-vent> With drivers and nomodeset
[03:59] <Bashing-om> e-vent: GMA500 driver you may be in for a hard fight : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1984236 ; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo .
[03:59] <e-vent> still screen off after initial bootup
[03:59] <e-vent> Thing is
[04:00] <e-vent> I had this installed on ubuntu before
[04:00] <e-vent> and got it working
[04:00] <e-vent> it was something in the kernel I think
[04:02] <thomedy> okay i am using the sox command...and i read the page on it... it said that if i am formatting a raw file to a compressed file i need to encode manually  but im not seeing the proper options on how to get that
[04:02] <thomedy> can someone tell me how to encode raw to ogg specificlly
[04:03] <e-vent> I know it can work since it works on liveboot just fine
[04:05] <Verissimus> I have an issue which is a noob issue ... so please dont belittle me
[04:06] <Bashing-om> Very_slow: We were all new at one time . Ask your question :)
[04:06] <Verissimus> uhm I have a noob networking issue
[04:06] <psychoticwarrior> whats the issue
[04:06] <Verissimus> so
[04:06] <Verissimus> bear with me
[04:07] <Verissimus> I have 2 machines.. a linux box and a windows machine connected to the same router
[04:07] <psychoticwarrior> ok..
[04:08] <Verissimus> I can ping the gateway(aka my router) but I cant ping windows machine(connected wirelessly) and linux box(connected with a wired connection)
[04:08] <Verissimus> When I ping linux box from windows, I get Destination host unreachable but packet loss is 0%
[04:09] <Verissimus> and when I ping windows machine(running win 10) from linux box, I get destination host unreachable and packet loss 100%
[04:09] <Verissimus> so I searched google(duh)
[04:09] <Verissimus> And I started with enabling ICMP outgoing and incoming messages on my windows firewall
[04:09] <Verissimus> then I checked ufw on ubuntu and it was inactive
[04:10] <Verissimus> then I fiddled with ufw trying to enable it to allow all incomg connections to my linux box but to no avail
[04:11] <psychoticwarrior> whats your ip addresses of both machines
[04:11] <Verissimus> Also, I can ping my phone from my windows machine .. phone is also connected wirelessly(duh) and so is the windows machines
[04:11] <Verissimus> So, I connected both linux box and windows machine through ethernet cable and now I am able to ping both of them
[04:11] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: Windows : <IP_ADDRESS> Ubuntu : <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:12] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: both use dhcp
[04:12] <psychoticwarrior> hmm
[04:12] <psychoticwarrior> for your linux check out iptables
[04:12] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: they are all empty(I installed the box yesterday) and all the policies are set to allow
[04:13] <psychoticwarrior> hmm\
[04:13] <psychoticwarrior> weird
[04:13] <Verissimus> My point is why am I able to ping both machines successfully when they are both connected through wired conns and not through wireless
[04:13] <thomedy> has anyone ever used sox
[04:14] <thomedy> im trying to encode raw to ogg
[04:14] <Verissimus> I think its an issue with my router but then why can I ping my android phone from my pc and vice-versa
[04:14] <thomedy> i read the file it didn't say correct encoding im still aat aloss
[04:15] <e-vent> Still have no joy getting this 3600 to work
[04:16] <Verissimus> anyone
[04:16] <Verissimus> ?
[04:17] <IntelCore> hi P:
[04:18] <psychoticwarrior> try restarting your router
[04:18] <IntelCore> .ucf-dist  is just a bit different than 50unattended-upgrades
[04:18] <s00x> hey, is it possible to create entry for SSD in GRUB ?
[04:18] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: I tried it already.. thats the first thing I did
[04:19] <S1GM4> Arg, I went against the best advice and I've accidentally made an error playing with something I should not have
[04:20] <S1GM4> setfacl -R -m user:USER:rwx /var/www/html/dir/DIR/   <--- Obviously the USER and two dir commands are replaced, I tried to prevent them from reading the contents or being able to cd other places in /var/ and it worked great!
[04:20] <S1GM4> Except not they cannot even cd into their own home directory :( lol
[04:20] <IntelCore> I use gedit to read both versions of 50unattended-upgrades, and note that the one in ths soup uses .ucf-dist
[04:20] <S1GM4> which would be the /var/www/html/dir/DIR/ (obviously not the real name, just an example)
[04:20] <S1GM4> what can I do with setfacl to make sure they are able to cd into that directory?
[04:21] <S1GM4> (the previous command does not seem to allow it, the login states: Could not chdir to home directory /var/www/html/DIR/dir/: Permission denied  (changed the directory again, but just to give an idea of the structure)
[04:21] <psychoticwarrior> su -
[04:21] <psychoticwarrior> enter password
[04:21] <psychoticwarrior> cd /var/www/html
[04:22] <S1GM4> Yes, my other user(s) can still access /var/www/html/ etc.
[04:23] <S1GM4> (this user does not have sudo priviledges that I am trying to create)
[04:23] <Verissimus> how to disable iptables?
[04:23] <IntelCore> '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist' it has an invalid filename extension
[04:24] <S1GM4> I used some commands like this: setfacl -R -m user:sam:--- /var/   AND  setfacl -m user:sam:rx /var/    and then, setfacl -R -m user:sam:rwx /var/www/html/DIR/dir/   (for example)
[04:24] <S1GM4> (trying to prevent them from using cd .. from their home directory, which is like /var/www/html/DIR/dir/  )
[04:24] <S1GM4> but instead I seem to have locked them out of their home directory with those commands :/ lol
[04:25] <psychoticwarrior> sudo service ufw stop
[04:25] <psychoticwarrior> ufw stop/waiting
[04:26] <IntelCore> yes permissions
[04:26] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: ufw is disabled
[04:26] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[04:26] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: and I rebooted after disabling it
[04:26] <IntelCore> an ftp service is better
[04:26] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: actually.. my router is stopiing communication between wired and wireless clients
[04:27] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: atleast thats what I think
[04:27] <IntelCore> oo
[04:27] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: if it was a firewall issue, why would I be able to ping both machines when they were connected through cables.....
[04:27] <S1GM4> I should have known not to mess with setfacl  XD lol. I never used it really before and knew I would make an error
[04:28] <psychoticwarrior> It could be that your firewall doesnt block icmp messagse
[04:28] <psychoticwarrior> messages
[04:28] <psychoticwarrior> could just block certain incoming connections
[04:28] <IntelCore> read on file permissions SIGM4
[04:28] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: I know.. I added rules to windows firewall to allow incoming and outgoing ICMPv4 messages
[04:29] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[04:29] <S1GM4> IntelCore: The user owns the directory they are trying to access and everything worked fine before I used those setfacl commands :( lol
[04:29] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: but I was able to successfully ping both machines from each other when they were connected through cables...... :(
[04:30] <psychoticwarrior> hmm
[04:30] <IntelCore> SIGM4 - directories and files are files
[04:30] <psychoticwarrior> it could be that you can send requests but you dont recieve a reply to the sender machine
[04:30] <IntelCore> devices are files
[04:31] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: indeed.. but why is it happening when connection is between a wired and a wireless machine and not when connection is between 2 wired machines?
[04:31] <psychoticwarrior> hmm im not sure
[04:31] <IntelCore> ping the route pls
[04:31] <psychoticwarrior> maybe run wireshark
[04:31] <psychoticwarrior> yea whats the route
[04:32] <Verissimus> psychoticwarrior: there is no route entry in the route print output in windows machine
[04:32] <Verissimus> I am able to ping the router successfully
[04:32] <psychoticwarrior> good
[04:32] <psychoticwarrior> whats the routers ip address
[04:32] <Verissimus> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:32] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[04:32] <psychoticwarrior> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> keep it ubuntu related guys, this is more something for ##networking
[04:33] <IntelCore> lol
[04:33] <psychoticwarrior> itsf ine
[04:33] <Verissimus> I did it
[04:33] <psychoticwarrior> its fine
[04:33] <Verissimus> its working
[04:33] <psychoticwarrior> nice
[04:33] <Verissimus> hence me on the internet and here on irc :/
[04:33] <psychoticwarrior> good job
[04:34] <IntelCore> debugging this left behind file '50unattended yada
[04:35] <IntelCore> again, it is not needed but it did this
[04:36] <IntelCore> nag nag
[04:37] <Verissimus> whats weird is the packet loss from Windows machine is 100% but reply is destination host unreachable
[04:37] <Verissimus> 0%
[04:37] <Verissimus> packet loss is 0%
[04:38] <Verissimus> and when I ping my windows(wireless) machine from linux, packet loss is 100% and reply is the same
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> Verissimus: try ##networking
[04:40] <Verissimus> lotuspsychje: I am there
[04:40] <Verissimus> lotuspsychje: thanks :)
[04:41] <e-vent> found the issue
[04:41] <e-vent> the GMA500 driver is bugged
[04:42] <e-vent> I black listed it and now I get GPU output
[04:42] <e-vent> Typical bullshit
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> !language | e-vent
[04:44] <IntelCore> lol
[04:44] <e-vent> Yeah, for an issue also labelled no fix
[04:44] <e-vent> it is typical ubuntu dev fecal matter
[04:44] <IntelCore> well eh they left an old file on my apt
[04:45] <psychoticwarrior> im back
[04:45] <e-vent> psychoticwarrior, fixed the lack of GPU output
[04:45] <IntelCore> upgrade leaves an old filename for the unattended script
[04:46] <e-vent> GMA500 driver is bugged
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> e-vent: there are bugs on any operating system
[04:46] <e-vent> blacklist the driver = display output
[04:46] <e-vent> lotuspsychje, that much I know
[04:46] <e-vent> but this is an issue that is easy to detect and fix.
[04:46] <psychoticwarrior> nice man
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> IntelCore: please dont spam random stuff in channel, if you have a question use all your details
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> e-vent: have you created a !bug?
[04:47] <IntelCore> it's bug
[04:47] <e-vent> It has one
[04:47] <e-vent> Labelled won't fix.
[04:47] <IntelCore> mine has bug too
[04:47] <IntelCore> 16.04 date?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> IntelCore: please stop chatting random stuff in here
[04:48] <psychoticwarrior> why does it matter so muich lotus
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> psychoticwarrior: counts for you too, you have been using this channel for chitchat all week here
[04:49] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[04:49] <psychoticwarrior> just trying to help
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> psychoticwarrior IntelCore if you want to chat use #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> e-vent: url for your bug?
[04:50] <e-vent> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cedarview-drm-drivers/+bug/1132584
[04:50] <e-vent> via https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2250571
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> e-vent: have you marked yourself 'affected'?
[04:51] <e-vent> I'm writing it up now.
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> e-vent: on wich ubuntu version are you?
[04:51] <e-vent> 16.04.2
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> e-vent: ok good, perhaps also forward this to #ubuntu-devel it hasnt been fixxed?
[04:52] <e-vent> *won't be fixed as marked.
[04:53] <IntelCore> oo can I send this one?
[04:54] <IntelCore> After installation the uncalled for file 50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist was present in my system
[04:56] <MiraMesa> hi
[04:56] <MiraMesa> anybody here from San Diego, California?
[04:56] <MiraMesa> SDCCD?   Offtopic nonsense, however, should not be in #ubuntu regardless, and it is that.
[05:26] <jerin[m]> Hello, I have openbox installed on a 16.04, the background has the Ubuntu one loaded after sometime. Which is kinda irritating
[05:26] <jerin[m]> Hello, I have openbox installed on a 16.04, the background has the Ubuntu one loaded after sometime. Which is kinda irritating
[05:26] <jerin[m]> Hello, I have openbox installed on a 16.04, the background has the Ubuntu one loaded after sometime. Which is kinda irritating
[05:27] <jerin[m]> How do I disable it
[05:28] <dman777> I can't use upstart without systemd now? my uwsgi upstart script won't run with uwsgi.service file missing error message
[05:30] <kostkon> jerin[m], i think it only gets started while ubuntu is checking for updates or you are installing software etc.
[05:31] <jerin[m]> Any idea how I can disable it? kostkon
[05:33] <YankDownUnder> jerin[m], https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox
[05:33] <kostkon> jerin[m], remove any related packages?
[05:33] <YankDownUnder> jerin[m], http://openbox.org/wiki/Main_Page
[05:34] <psychoticwarrior> apt-get remove openbox
[05:37] <jerin[m]> psychoticwarrior: I want open box, and the unity whatever to be kept
[05:37] <jerin[m]> Coz someone else prefers that.
[05:37] <YankDownUnder> jerin[m], Read the two pages I posted for you. All your questions about Openbox can be answered there.
[05:40] <jerin[m]> YankDownUnder: I'm sorry, I've been to both pages. Couldn't find this under any troubleshooting.
[05:40] <jerin[m]> Let me rephrase, what package/service manages the desktop on ubuntu
[05:43] <YankDownUnder> jerin[m], there are several references to "background" - and to using obconf. Having used Blackbox, Openbox and Fluxbox - I personally know it's not rocket science - it IS, however, a matter of reading and understanding exactly how the window manager works. All three were made to be deadly simple.
[05:43] <psychoticwarrior> fluxbox is nice
[05:47] <jerin[m]> YankDownUnder: sir, I know how to change the background. I'm looking for this service or program which starts after a while and overrides whatever I have in place.
[05:47] <dman777> systemctl is awefull compared to upstart. it's way to complicated
[05:48] <YankDownUnder> jerin[m], Whatever is in your ~/.config/autostart
[05:50] <jerin[m]> There's nothing there? Where's the system default located?
[05:50] <jerin[m]> YankDownUnder:
[05:51] <YankDownUnder> jerin[m], /etc/xdg/autostart
[05:56] <jerin[m]> YankDownUnder: Thanks. I see a few unity entries. I'll try to take it from here.
[05:57] <YankDownUnder> jerin[m], Using "top" or "htop" - you should be able to narrow down the offending program - kill it - and disable it from that point onwards...
[06:00] <psychoticwarrior> anybody from europe on here
[06:00] <psychoticwarrior> ?
[06:06] <YankDownUnder> Europe is next to Ohio, if I remember correctly...or could be Kansas...been a while.
[06:08] <pJohn> Hey guys i'm a linux sysadmin looking for friends, you can call me if wish!
[06:10] <ChaiTRex> pJohn: Try #ubuntu-offtopic for social chat.
[06:22] <YankDownUnder> sysadmins/sysops/net admins don't have friends.
[06:23] <pJohn> Kkkkkk
[06:36] <truthr> is ubuntu done spying on it's users?
[06:37] <aeon-ltd> totally
[06:37] <YankDownUnder> Any "linux" version can be locked down to disallow any information sharing...
[06:37] <truthr> awesome
[06:37] <aeon-ltd> truthr: wait you talking about the amazon thing?
[06:38] <truthr> aeon-ltd yes
[06:40] <aeon-ltd> then i don't know, but like YankDownUnder said you can lock down anything. linux provides incredible freedom when it comes to what software you want running on your pc
[06:46] <fishbowlkraken> Okay, so, got a few interesting issues, I've been trying to fix them for about a day now, and I'm ready to just ask for help.
[06:47] <laughingtiger> hey ubuntu users can I ask a question, can you remove or purge bluetooth without causing damage to the whole system------ubuntu-desktop or something like that?
[06:47] <YankDownUnder> laughingtiger, Yes. It can be safely disabled.
[06:47] <laughingtiger> I mean remove
[06:47] <laughingtiger> not just disable
[06:47] <YankDownUnder> fishbowlkraken, One question at a time, answers are free. Correct answers are $10 AUD.
[06:48] <YankDownUnder> laughingtiger, Either. Your choice.
[06:48] <truthr> aeon-ltd, the people that need protection the most are the ones that don't know how to lock anything down
[06:48] <fishbowlkraken> So, after installing Cinnamon, I've found I can't change my color theme or icon theme, though I can change window decorations, panels, and cursors. Also, I can't get the graphics drivers to work.
[06:48] <YankDownUnder> fishbowlkraken, Graphics driver is the priority. All the "eye candy" comes after, hmm...
[06:49] <fishbowlkraken> And by the way, PM me your paypal, if you can help me get a GPU that's only supported on GPU drivers released after the freeze for 17.04, I will GLADLY paypal you that
[06:49] <YankDownUnder> fishbowlkraken,  :)
[06:49] <laughingtiger> so just apt-get remove and it will only remove bluetooth?  I can install that driver using an experimental PPA
[06:50] <YankDownUnder> laughingtiger, Preferably use "synaptic" to remove/add stuff - IN A SANE FASHION.
[06:50] <laughingtiger> voluntarily
[06:50] <laughingtiger> that was one big reason I chose not to use ubuntu anymore
[06:50] <YankDownUnder> laughingtiger, Hence I suggest DISABLE instead of "completely remove" - but your prefs, your choice.
[06:50] <laughingtiger> don't know if things has been changed or not so come to ask
[06:51] <fishbowlkraken> but when installing Steam, it installs Nouveau, which then takes priority, and then trying to remove nouveau tries to remove like, literally everything
[06:51] <fishbowlkraken> despite it not being needed before
[06:51] <laughingtiger> all right thank you YankDownUnder
[06:53] <fishbowlkraken> Oh, also, if 378 *is* enabled, that removes my ability to adjust brightness. If I use the later one, 381, it allows brightness control for some reason.
[06:53] <fishbowlkraken> Also, I can only really use KDE, Unity, or Cinnamon, as dear god, does everything else hate 4k screens.
[06:54] <IntelCore> wobbles
[06:54] <fishbowlkraken> and a non HiDPi supported DE on a 15" 4k screen gets nifty.
[06:54] <YankDownUnder> fishbowlkraken, Being that you're on 17.04 - which is NOT an LTS version, you're going to be chasing white whales...
[06:54] <fishbowlkraken> Dude, the LTS is even further behind
[06:55] <fishbowlkraken> I need graphics drivers released in February for this thing to even RUN, so staying closer to the bleeding edge is helpful.
[06:55] <YankDownUnder> fishbowlkraken, You'd mentioned an "experimental PPA" for the drivers...have you gone that route yet?
[06:55] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah, I installed it
[06:56] <fishbowlkraken> it then is disabled by Nouveau, when that installs because Steam won't let me run without installing that.
[06:56] <fishbowlkraken> Then, for some reason, when you try to remove Nouveau, it tries to take literally all of GTK with it
[06:56] <IntelCore> why isny Xchat, or *itchX in repository to apt?
[06:57] <YankDownUnder> I'm not running 17.04 - I always stick to LTS - and, as well, I don't game - at all - so "Steam" and anything else "game" related - I bypass - so, what I honestly would suggest is waiting for a few hours - when the rest of the world wakes up...see if someone will be able to "bite at the bait" and help further...I'm like an anchor, bro...like an old anchor...not very helpful...
[06:57] <YankDownUnder> IntelCore, Outdated.
[06:58] <IntelCore> yes they r oldie.. what else can i use?
[06:58] <fishbowlkraken> Gah. CAD runs like a dog without drivers
[06:58] <YankDownUnder> IntelCore, HexChat...Konversation...irssi...
[06:59] <IntelCore> hmmm.. oh well
[06:59] <YankDownUnder> fishbowlkraken, (patting my iMac) - yersh...how well I know... :)
[06:59] <fishbowlkraken> This is what I get for trying to play games again. I figured, hey, I spent four grand on a laptop, I can take a break from design and run some of my old library right? I got three hours of FPS play two nights ago, and since then it's been nada.
[07:00] <YankDownUnder> fishbowlkraken, HL2 and BMS on my iMac...sometimes Bioshock...yes...linux is left for "server" stuff, security stuff, graphics, video editing, audio editing...yes...
[07:01] <fishbowlkraken> Not really, I have over 350 Linux games in my Steam library.
[07:01] <fishbowlkraken> For years I played quite a few games.
[07:01] <fishbowlkraken> It's only right now I'm having driver issues because my laptop was literally released two weeks ago
[07:01] <fishbowlkraken> and nothing supports the M2200
[07:02] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: you dont need to uninstall nouveau, you just block it from loading.
[07:02] <fishbowlkraken> I'd love to know how, I've not had to deal with this in like, five years, which was the last time I bought a primary computer, heh
[07:03] <fishbowlkraken> I had similar issues then IIRC, but I've long since forgotten the tricks I did to get that up and running.
[07:06] <zachflem> hey folks, im struggling to get usb disks to automount (Server 16.04).  Ideally I'd like them to mount to /media/<deviceLabel>.  I've got usbmount installed, and it's created the usb* dirs in /media, but the drives won't mount. They do show up when I "fdisk -L"
[07:06] <fishbowlkraken> I'm no longer as versed as I was with Linux hackery back when I was a huge Linux gaming fanatic, I've had two years or so of pretty much exclusively running CAD software
[07:07] <luis30> truthr that amazon is off by defualt i believe
[07:08] <luis30> IntelCore, hexchat is the replacement for xchat
[07:10] <fishbowlkraken> So, Jushur, you said I need to disable Nouveau. That's great, but I really don't know where I'd go to get the information on how.
[07:12] <IntelCore> do I already have alsa on 16.04 ?
[07:13] <truthr> luis30 they destroyed the trust so when something is turned off, something else is turned on
[07:14] <luis30> its open source...im pretty sure if there is "something else on" somebotdy would have said something..
[07:14] <luis30> ubuntu is kind of big so..
[07:14] <luis30> it was some gay way to make money thats all
[07:15] <IntelCore> say bash to a win 10 user
[07:15] <truthr> well not all of ubuntu is open source is it?
[07:15] <truthr> free software i mean
[07:15] <IntelCore> Canonical
[07:15] <luis30> yea i think all of ubuntu is open soure yes
[07:16] <luis30> i mean if you want to add non opensource that is your choice
[07:16] <truthr> even the drivers?
[07:16] <truthr> oh, yeah
[07:16] <truthr> if it is all free software by default then that is awesome
[07:16] <luis30> i did not pay anything for it
[07:16] <luis30> lol
[07:16] <IntelCore> gnu has os
[07:16] <truthr> haha
[07:17] <truthr> free as in freedom man
[07:17] <luis30> i dont know what you mean by free...yea its free
[07:17] <senaps> hi all, if i ssh to external server of mine, from the workstation provided by my company, can my network admin see my ssh password? or they only see that i have ssh to that server?
[07:17] <ducasse> truthr: most of it is open source, but not necessarily free software, but this is getting off topic
[07:17] <truthr> ok
[07:17] <fishbowlkraken> If y'all want a new topic, how about the topic of "my GPU is too new to work with the graphics drivers even in 17.04"
[07:18] <fishbowlkraken> cause I'd be allll about finding some answers on that topic.
[07:18] <IntelCore> i think ssh password is handshake
[07:19] <ducasse> fishbowlkraken: if you don't get an answer, try again in 15-20 minutes.
[07:20] <fishbowlkraken> I first asked the question at 1:46, didn't get a conclusive answer
[07:22] <akik> fishbowlkraken: did you say that even if you have a working install with the nvidia driver, steam force installs nouveau? that could be one option to search for because it sounds too weird
[07:22] <fishbowlkraken> sooo, I'm on a machine with an nvidia Quadro M2200, which is only supported by Nvidia 378 or later. I can install that driver using a bleeding edge PPA, but when I install Steam, it would seem it installs some drivers that supercede the proprietary ones, and I can't use it
[07:23] <senaps> IntelCore: so it's safe? i mean they can surf all the traffic and everything we do(it's a network security company and i'm the newbie). so i was thinking if all these hacker's and network security nerd's in the role of our network admin, could see what password's im entering in my ssh's. unless they have a keyloger?
[07:23] <fishbowlkraken> yeah, when it installs Mesa, it installs Nouveau along with it.
[07:23] <fishbowlkraken> Steam requires Mesa for some reason
[07:24] <fishbowlkraken> Is there a way for me to get the bash history of command returns as well as commands given? Or a history of packages installed and uninstalled? I found .Bash_History, but that only lists the commands I've punched in, not the replies.
[07:24] <ducasse> senaps: 'ssh' stands for 'secure shell', it's encrypted.
[07:24] <IntelCore> senaps - basic info :  https://support.suso.com/supki/SSH_Tutorial_for_Linux
[07:25] <fishbowlkraken> I have a weirder issue involving the fact that I can't change icon themes or colors in cinnamon, but let's save that for after I have the ability to use my GPU.
[07:25] <IntelCore> admin may require user/pass.. but doesn't has to.. and user can send clear text pass
[07:27] <akik> fishbowlkraken: have you tried apt pinning to never install nouveau?
[07:27] <IntelCore> senaps - on that url -- The second diagram shows how the data in an encrypted connection like SSH is encrypted on the network and so cannot be read by anyone who doesn't have the session-negotiated keys, which is just a fancy way of saying the data is scrambled.
[07:27] <fishbowlkraken> I tried removing Nouveau, and when I did
[07:27] <fishbowlkraken> well, here
[07:28] <akik> fishbowlkraken: apt pinning is something extra you need to configure. it tells your system to not update certain packages or never install certain packages
[07:29] <fishbowlkraken> Okay, but I can't even remove Nouveau to *start* that procedure, because, grabbing a pastebin
[07:30] <senaps> ducasse: yea i knew what it stands for. i was asking if it would encrypt my password when entered. because secure connection doesn't matter if it ain't secure in my own system while entering password.
[07:31] <fishbowlkraken> https://pastebin.com/qJNfE7Lj
[07:31] <senaps> thanks guy's. link helped alot. i got my answer
[07:31] <fishbowlkraken> Here's what it says it'll remove when I try to remove the package that was not necessary to install any of these packages.
[07:31] <fishbowlkraken> I can of course force it, but then I can't automatically update anything.
[07:32] <fishbowlkraken> Is there seriously no other way to enable nvidia drivers?
[07:32] <fishbowlkraken> As in, not found in the repos?
[07:33] <fishbowlkraken> Again, running an M2200, which wasn't supported until Nvidia-378, the last version of Nvidia available in the repos for any distro is 375.
[07:33] <fishbowlkraken> Unless I want to try and use the Aardvark repos or something I guess
[07:34] <IntelCore> Quadro drivers
[07:35] <fishbowlkraken> Yes, Quadro drivers. They're integrated into the normal Nvidia drivers on Linux systems.
[07:35] <ducasse> fishbowlkraken: those still use the  same kernel and x stack as zesty.
[07:35] <fishbowlkraken> O...kay?
[07:35] <IntelCore> R378 U2 (378.66)
[07:35] <fishbowlkraken> I'm saying I need Nvidia-378
[07:35] <fishbowlkraken> right, that one, specifically.
[07:36] <fishbowlkraken> I have a PPA with that driver
[07:36] <IntelCore> url coming
[07:36] <fishbowlkraken> I know the driver, I have it installed.
[07:36] <fishbowlkraken> BUT
[07:36] <fishbowlkraken> Nouveau is superceding it.
[07:37] <IntelCore> srry. i get dense
[07:37] <fishbowlkraken> I'm using http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu to get the drivers
[07:37] <fishbowlkraken> but for some reason they get superceded by Mesa/Nouveau when Steam gets installed.
[07:38] <fishbowlkraken> So, someone else said I just need to disable Nouveau. How would I go about doing that?
[07:38] <ducasse> fishbowlkraken: are you using the ubuntu repos for steam or their ppa?
[07:38] <IntelCore> Nouveau: Accelerated Open Source driver for nVidia cards
[07:38] <fishbowlkraken> Steam's no longer in the normal repos, I just installed it via their .deb.
[07:39] <IntelCore> Gallium3d drivers
[07:39] <fishbowlkraken> Yes, Nouveau is the open source driver. For some reason it's loading instead of the proprietary ones when I boot.
[07:40] <ducasse> try blacklisting the module, make a .conf file in /etc/modprobe.d with the contents 'blacklist nouveau'
[07:41] <IntelCore> using ubuntu, fishbowl?
[07:42] <fishbowlkraken> No, RHEL.
[07:42] <fishbowlkraken> Kidding
[07:42] <fishbowlkraken> Yes, Ubuntu, I'm in #Ubuntu, lol
[07:42] <IntelCore> the kernel is using nouveau
[07:42] <fishbowlkraken> Yes, and I'd like it to stop.
[07:43] <IntelCore> xf86 will use a different, and libdrm, and Mesa will use other neuvo
[07:43] <fishbowlkraken> ok, added to blacklist, bbs, wish me luck.
[07:44] <IntelCore> git a kernel for generic
[07:46] <fishbowlkraken> Noope.
[07:46] <IntelCore> if he didnt want the source driver nvidia.. or nouveau drivers  what will he use?
[07:46] <fishbowlkraken> Wasn't it.
[07:46] <ducasse> is nouveau still loaded?
[07:47] <IntelCore> fall to R378
[07:50] <IntelCore> professional drivers will no longer support select NVIDIA Quadro products.
[07:51] <IntelCore> Support for Quadro SDI products is discontinued
[07:52] <fishbowlkraken> Support for a graphics card released this year has been discontinued?
[07:52] <fishbowlkraken> Support for a graphics card in a laptop that was released this month is discontinued?
[07:53] <fishbowlkraken> You'll forgive me for finding that hard to believe.
[07:55] <fishbowlkraken> This is my card, to clarify. https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Quadro-M2200-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.210908.0.html
[07:55] <IntelCore> (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver
[07:55] <ducasse> is nouveau still getting loaded?
[07:55] <IntelCore> 381.22  ??
[07:56] <IntelCore> there is a 32bit also
[07:56] <fishbowlkraken> It would seem Nouveau is still being loaded, something's causing OGL applications to run at like, 6 FPS. I got one day of great performance, and then after I rebooted it messed up.
[07:57] <fishbowlkraken> I tried reinstalling, but the same thing happened
[07:57] <ducasse> what does 'lspci -k' show for the card?
[07:57] <IntelCore> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[07:58] <fishbowlkraken>  VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM206GLM [Quadro M2200 Mobile] (rev a1)
[07:58] <fishbowlkraken> 	Subsystem: Lenovo Device 2251
[07:58] <fishbowlkraken> 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[07:58] <fishbowlkraken> 	Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_381, nvidia_381_drm
[07:59] <fishbowlkraken> I think the reason it's messing up is the Nouveau thing, but I could be wrong.
[07:59] <fishbowlkraken> I've tried both 378 and 381
[07:59] <fishbowlkraken> which are the only two in the ppa
[07:59] <ducasse> so the binary driver is handling it now, i doubt it is getting unloaded
[08:00] <fishbowlkraken> I dunno what's causing this failing then.
[08:00] <fishbowlkraken> I'm getting lag on desktop animations, OGL applications, and other basic tasks
[08:01] <fishbowlkraken> I get that the M2200 isn't a Titan or anything, but I should at LEAST be able to see an improvement over the machine from 2013 it's replacing
[08:01] <fishbowlkraken> instead, my Chromebook is outperforming this thing
[08:02] <fishbowlkraken> I thought it might be some sort of Primus thing, but I've checked, and the Intel integrated graphics are disabled at the hardware level like I specified.
[08:03] <fishbowlkraken> I killed Intel Integrated graphics in BIOS, which is a nifty feature in thinkpads
[08:03] <fishbowlkraken> sec, gotta run to the bathroom
[08:04] <IntelCore> all u can do is use the recent driver. if it needs special treatment or not.  the kernel 16.04 kernel?
[08:04] <ducasse> fishbowlkraken: seems you're not alone - https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1010612/sluggish-performance-no-reclocking-ubuntu-17-04-kernel-4-12rc2-nvidia-quadro-m2200-driver-381-22-/
[08:05] <IntelCore> remove the drivers - reboot.. let ubuntu pick up the new obe
[08:05] <IntelCore> one
[08:05] <IntelCore> yes right.. no clocking
[08:06] <IntelCore> 64x is like 375 driver
[08:07] <IntelCore> i had a few kernel on ubuntu trusty
[08:10] <fishbowlkraken> ah, better.
[08:10] <fishbowlkraken> Anyway
[08:10] <fishbowlkraken> 375 doesn't support the M2200.
[08:10] <fishbowlkraken> The kernel's 17.04
[08:11] <fishbowlkraken> 17.04's kernel
[08:12] <fishbowlkraken> Okay, so what's weird though
[08:12] <fishbowlkraken> is that I was able to use this.
[08:13] <fishbowlkraken> I had fantastic performance for abouuut three hours two nights ago, playing Zigurrat on this thing
[08:13] <ducasse> with which driver?
[08:13] <fishbowlkraken> 381
[08:13] <fishbowlkraken> I'm gonna try downgrading to 378 anyway though
[08:13] <IntelCore> uname -r
[08:14] <IntelCore> ok so roll back kernel?
[08:14] <fishbowlkraken> the configuration that worked is lost to time, as I reinstalled after that
[08:14] <IntelCore> the first had the right driver/kernel set
[08:14] <fishbowlkraken> It broke, and I thought reinstalling may fix it.
[08:15] <ducasse> from what i'm reading, looks like you want 381...
[08:15] <fishbowlkraken> Alright, but 378 still supports the M2200
[08:16] <IntelCore> btw, this happened to me with ati, compiz
[08:16] <IntelCore> fglrx fried
[08:17] <fishbowlkraken> Okay, gonna try rebooting with 378, see you on the other side. If it doesn't work, movin back to 381
[08:19] <jushur> think it could be so his mesa reverted to its default. thus not using the nvidia card for opengl. and instead run in software mode
[08:19] <IntelCore> mebe so
[08:22] <fishbowlkraken> Okay nah
[08:22] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah, back on 381
[08:23] <fishbowlkraken> not only did 378 not fix it, but for some reason 378 supports the card, but does not allow it to change the brightness of the panel.
[08:23] <fishbowlkraken> Gotta love the SSD giving me the ability to reboot that fast though, lol
[08:24] <fishbowlkraken> So, yeah, I'm getting utterly useless performance here.
[08:25] <ducasse> can you pastebin output of 'glxinfo'?
[08:27] <fishbowlkraken> Blah. Pastebin says it's under heavy load
[08:27] <fishbowlkraken> any other paste sites I can use?
[08:27] <ducasse> 'glxinfo | nc termbin.com 9999'
[08:29] <fishbowlkraken> http://termbin.com/rz5z
[08:29] <fishbowlkraken> Thank ya
[08:30] <ducasse> so it's using the nvidia driver...
[08:31] <gulzar> fishbowlkraken: bpaste , dpaste
[08:31] <fishbowlkraken> Weird.
[08:31] <fishbowlkraken> Anyway, what's bpaste and/or dpaste?
[08:32] <gulzar> fishbowlkraken: https://bpaste.net/
[08:32] <gulzar> try and know
[08:32] <fishbowlkraken> Ah ok
[08:32] <fishbowlkraken> well I have this termbin thing now, so that's all good
[08:32] <fishbowlkraken> Anyway, it's running like Nouveau, which is most certainly not a compliment, lol
[08:33] <gulzar> fishbowlkraken: yes, there are many term based ones
[08:33] <fishbowlkraken> yeah, only needed one, I'm good now, still looking to fix this whole "my CAD machine can hardly run glgears" thing
[08:34] <gulzar> fishbowlkraken: I never had any luck with nvidia :(
[08:34] <fishbowlkraken> I've had good luck with Nvidia on Linux for about ten years
[08:34] <fishbowlkraken> sorry, eight
[08:34] <fishbowlkraken> but my issue currently is kind of the punishment for running on the bleeding edge
[08:35] <fishbowlkraken> my laptop was released at the start of this month, and the GPU was only released in January
[08:36] <fishbowlkraken> as such, the first graphics driver to support it only came out in February
[08:37] <fishbowlkraken> and so it's got some growing pains, it'd seem
[08:39] <ducasse> maybe try keeping on eye on that thread i pasted a link to, it was only posted 24h ago
[08:39] <fishbowlkraken> I would, except after looking at the other dev forum posts on Nvidia where Linux is concerned
[08:39] <fishbowlkraken> they tend to reply with "Use windows lul" and close it
[08:40] <gulzar> archlinux plays with bleeding edge, or fedora, or suse tubleweed
[08:40] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah, I'm not looking to run Arch on my CAD machine.
[08:40] <fishbowlkraken> I just want graphics acceleration so I can get back to making models.
[08:41] <fishbowlkraken> I distro hopped plenty in college, but I'm fine with just using Ubuntu, so long as I can, you know, use my computer.
[08:41] <IntelCore> cad.. design is large and some are slow.
[08:42] <fishbowlkraken> Yes, that is why I have a laptop with 64GB of RAM.
[08:42] <IntelCore> some cad acts like rendering
[08:42] <fishbowlkraken> Right, which is why I bought a laptop with 64GB of RAM.
[08:42] <ducasse> my best suggestion right now is to try again either later today or preferably tomorrow. weekends are really quiet here, especially sundays.
[08:43] <fishbowlkraken> Aaaagh
[08:43] <fishbowlkraken> Sorry, just, like, I'm currently using a Chromebook to do most of my model making
[08:43] <fishbowlkraken> luckily I use OnShape, which is WebGL based
[08:43] <fishbowlkraken> but it's not exactly a speed demon
[08:44] <fishbowlkraken> and it's outperforming the P51 thinkpad
[08:44] <fishbowlkraken> kiiinda frustrating
[08:48] <freakyy> hi all. is there any good new site for ubuntu other than omgubuntu.co.uk? :)
[08:48] <fishbowlkraken> maybe /r/ubuntu?
[08:48] <IntelCore> freakyy - do you read mail?
[08:49] <gulzar> fishbowlkraken: there is webup 8
[08:49] <fishbowlkraken> webupd8 you mean?
[08:50] <fishbowlkraken> Oh yeah, those guys pop up on my suggested stories from time to time
[08:50] <ducasse> freakyy: try asking in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:50] <freakyy> hm ok thanks
[08:50] <fishbowlkraken> Is there a drivers specific # for Linux users?
[08:51] <fishbowlkraken> Actually, nevermind
[08:52] <fishbowlkraken> every time I've gone on tech support chats for general Linux users and say I use Ubuntu, it just becomes a chorus of "UBUNTU IS A SWAHILI WORD FOR CAN'T CONFIGURE DEBIAN HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA"
[08:52] <fishbowlkraken> followed by "Install Gentoo" until I leave
[08:53] <IntelCore> i was doing a security install of selinus
[08:53] <dax> fishbowlkraken: it's 2017, I think they mostly switched from Gentoo to Arch now
[08:54] <fishbowlkraken> The people who spam install Gentoo typically aren't running Gentoo
[08:54] <squig> is it ok, to talk about systemd files here? I am trying to create a service on my system
[08:54] <squig> but I dont know where the file should go on my system
[08:54] <fishbowlkraken> they're running Windows 10 and just feel like being turds
[08:54] <squig> I thought it should be /etc/systemd/system
[08:55] <ducasse> squig: i assume you're running ubuntu?
[08:55] <squig> yes
[08:55] <fishbowlkraken> Then yup, totally relevant for here
[08:55] <ducasse> squig: then yes, you can ask here :) just a normal service unit?
[08:56] <squig> yes, I want to start a deamon process
[08:56] <ducasse> and the problem is?
[08:56] <squig> its an external package that does not come with one
[08:56] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: i have gentoo/funtoo/ubuntu/fedora/kali/alpine linux installs on my systems. and i manage quite a few laptop installs for other ppl. what you use is not important. knowing your system is.
[08:56] <fishbowlkraken> Okay?
[08:56] <squig> I created a mything.service file and droped in in /etc/systemd/system, but I cant seem to see it with systemctl
[08:56] <fishbowlkraken> I was just saying I've noticed people in general Linux chats tend to be snobbish to Ubuntu users
[08:57] <fishbowlkraken> or at least one or two people are to the point that I don't want to hang around
[08:57] <ducasse> squig: 'systemctl enable mything.service' doesn't work?
[08:58] <gulzar> squig: /etc/systemd/system/  . start it with   systemctl start <service>
[08:58] <gulzar> as root
[08:58] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: what im trying to point out, is the fact you seem to not. at all. as you been uninstalling packets/driver instead of disabling them. this is why said what i said. so you need to adjust that.
[08:59] <squig> ha that works, I thought systemctl -l would show it before I did either of those things
[08:59] <ducasse> no, you need to enable it first.
[08:59] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah, I don't know this system, as I got it on Thursday.
[08:59] <squig> so readying through the docs, I see what at other times you should try to edit systemd files you should put overrides in
[08:59] <fishbowlkraken> Sorry, I'm not a master of all things this laptop, or on graphics cards that didn't exist until January.
[09:00] <fishbowlkraken> Sorry, but the way you said that came off as just SUPER douchey.
[09:00] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: i know, tho its not ment to be. i say what i think just.
[09:01] <fishbowlkraken> I seem to not understand my system at all because I've been using it for a grand total of six hours.
[09:02] <fishbowlkraken> I've been using Linux as my primary OS since 2008, but using this brand now graphics card has been throwing me for a loop, as it's been a long, long time since I've had to mess with anything bleeding edge on graphics drivers
[09:02] <fishbowlkraken> the last workstation laptop I bought (not including a Compute Stick for my living room and a Chromebook I picked up last year) was in 2013
[09:03] <squig> so whats up fishbowlkraken
[09:03] <fishbowlkraken> I've had open drivers supercede proprietary ones before, it was actually a pretty common issue when installing proprietary drivers manually for a while
[09:03] <fishbowlkraken> I've got the GPU on my laptop stuck in low power mode, it turns out
[09:04] <fishbowlkraken> I thought it was trying to run nouveau instead of proprietary drivers, as the performance is consistent with that
[09:04] <squig> what card is it?
[09:04] <fishbowlkraken> Quadro M2200 Mobile
[09:04] <fishbowlkraken> First supported in Nvidia graphics 378, and only properly by 381
[09:05] <fishbowlkraken> because on 378 I lose the ability to adjust brightness for some reason
[09:05] <ducasse> have you tried a later kernel?
[09:06] <fishbowlkraken> If I set it to allow backports, will that add a later kernel for me to choose from?
[09:07] <ducasse> no.
[09:07] <ducasse> !mainline
[09:07] <squig> what version did you install, laptops are harder than workstations as you know
[09:07] <fishbowlkraken> Sorry, meant proposed
[09:07] <ducasse> note that those are not intended for regular use.
[09:08] <fishbowlkraken> My previous workstation was also a laptop, the W530.
[09:08] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: im not sure if this will work for you. https://realnc.blogspot.se/2016/01/guide-forcing-low-power-mode-with.html
[09:09] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: tho i think it can be good as a baseline for what can be done.
[09:09] <fishbowlkraken> No, I don't want it to keep forcing low power mode, I want it to stop.
[09:09] <fishbowlkraken> It won't come OUT of low power mode
[09:09] <squig> you get the nvidia control panel?
[09:09] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: how about you actually read the full artickle before you trow it under the buss?
[09:10] <fishbowlkraken> Yup, I can set it to use adaptive or prefer maximum performance
[09:10] <fishbowlkraken> I'm saying that setting speeds manually doesn't work.
[09:10] <jushur> it should be set to preffer max perf. and the intel igp should be turned of in bios
[09:10] <squig> prefer maximum doesnt work?
[09:10] <squig> how are you testing? cuda or gl?
[09:12] <fishbowlkraken> http://i.imgur.com/BtSKmtf.png
[09:12] <fishbowlkraken> GL
[09:12] <fishbowlkraken> and IGP is shut off in BIOS
[09:12] <fishbowlkraken> I'm not using the card for processing, so testing it in CUDA isn't something I'm looking to do
[09:13] <fishbowlkraken> I use this for CAD
[09:14] <fishbowlkraken> Okay, gonna upgrade this to 4.10.0-22
[09:14] <fishbowlkraken> gonna see if this lets me adjust the clock speeds.
[09:14] <squig> nvidia-settings -a [gpu:0]/GPUPowerMizerMode=2 ?
[09:15] <squig> I dont think it will change to maximum performance until its needed
[09:15] <fishbowlkraken> I'll test it again, sec
[09:15] <squig> maybe open that with gears running
[09:15] <zachflem> any usbmount gurus around here?
[09:16] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: i bet its because there is no config file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ on ubuntu. as it does not have that dir by default
[09:16] <squig> zachflem, I just spend days turning it off :D
[09:16] <fishbowlkraken> Why, exactly, does lacking a xorg.conf.d mean Nvidia can't address its clockspeed?
[09:17] <zachflem> squig: im trying to get usb drives to automount, did you find another way? or did you ditch it for another reason?
[09:17] <fishbowlkraken> And why is this a problem ONLY with this GPU?
[09:17] <jushur> and the software dont account for that. bad coding from nvidia. basicly means it wont trigger as it should
[09:17] <squig> zachflem, needed to ban them for "security reasons"
[09:17] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: it happens, that there is bugs in software.
[09:18] <squig> fishbowlkraken, aah that attribute changes the perferred mode options
[09:18] <fishbowlkraken> http://i.imgur.com/ar9rbsZ.jpg
[09:18] <zachflem> squig: rodger.
[09:18] <fishbowlkraken> Here's it with a game open, running at about 3FPS
[09:18] <fishbowlkraken> still at minimum.
[09:18] <fishbowlkraken> Anyway, updated kernel, rebooting.
[09:18] <fishbowlkraken> Let's see if this works.
[09:18] <squig> zachflem, are you trying to mount or unmount?
[09:20] <fishbowlkraken> Nope.
[09:20] <fishbowlkraken>  but it turned off my wallpaper, so that's neat
[09:20] <squig> fishbowlkraken, so reading more with the 1, 2 settings greyed out
[09:21] <squig> they are unavailable
[09:21] <ducasse> fishbowlkraken: was that a kernel from proposed?
[09:21] <fishbowlkraken> That's not what the greying out in that panel means.
[09:21] <fishbowlkraken> Yeah
[09:21] <fishbowlkraken> Nvidia's config highlights whatever the current clockspeed is
[09:21] <fishbowlkraken> and then greys out the other ones.
[09:22] <fishbowlkraken> I've got two other machines running Nvidia cards right now
[09:22] <squig> i have all 4 non greyed out
[09:22] <ducasse> the proposed repo is primarily intended for automated testing, not at all intended for regular use.
[09:22] <fishbowlkraken> Yes, I'm aware, trying to see if changing the kernel helped.
[09:22] <fishbowlkraken> Didn't.
[09:22] <squig> https://snag.gy/h1v8Fd.jpg
[09:23] <ducasse> when i asked if you had tried a newer kernel, i meant something like a mainline one.
[09:23] <fishbowlkraken> Ah, okay. It's looked the other way on my systems, before
[09:24] <fishbowlkraken> But okay, if it's greyed out, do you have some revelation on what it means? Or is it just mysterious?
[09:24] <fishbowlkraken> Because this thing isn't even going to the top of the range it says it's capable of.
[09:25] <squig> what cad program are you running?
[09:25] <fishbowlkraken> And yes, Ducasse, I changed from the normal kernel to a proposed one, just to see if maybe that would change anything. It did not, except for some reason my wallpaper's gone now.
[09:25] <fishbowlkraken> I use OnShape.
[09:25] <fishbowlkraken> I don't have a super high poly model to just test this with, so I've just been starting a fairly graphically heavy game to test the GPU
[09:25] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: the nvidia settings tool needs a config file to write to. where does it do that on your system (default is /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory wich dont exisist in ubuntu)
[09:26] <fishbowlkraken> Jushur: So is this a documented problem for LITERALLY ALL Ubuntu users with Nvidia cards?
[09:26] <fishbowlkraken> I feel like this'd be fixed quickly if so.
[09:26] <fishbowlkraken> Since this specific problem is documented ONLY to be happening on the M2200 currently, I'm thinking that may not be the solution.
[09:27] <squig> internet says just write out this file and then you have a place, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.con
[09:27] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: no, just for ppl who have hardware/driver that dont do what they should. and nvidia has a config that expects the standard dir to be there
[09:27] <squig> missed a letter /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf   -< missed a letter
[09:27] <ducasse> jushur: it would be saved in /etc/X11, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is intended for config snippets
[09:27] <jushur> ducasse: exactly
[09:28] <fishbowlkraken> Actually, according to "internet:" https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1010612/sluggish-performance-no-reclocking-ubuntu-17-04-kernel-4-12rc2-nvidia-quadro-m2200-driver-381-22-/
[09:28] <fishbowlkraken> this is a documented problem.
[09:28] <jushur> its a major error in ubuntu actually. you dont remove a directory that is standard..
[09:28] <squig> file a bug report :D
[09:28] <fishbowlkraken> I just cited a bug report.
[09:29] <squig> not with ubuntu :D
[09:29] <fishbowlkraken> Ah, yeah, Ubuntu has the source code to Nvidia's drivers, forgot.
[09:30] <fishbowlkraken> I figure if you're having an issue with Nvidia's drivers, the ones they don't release the source code to, you'd tell Nvidia.
[09:30] <fishbowlkraken> Also, the drivers that run this card aren't even in the repos
[09:30] <fishbowlkraken> I'm running from an extra PPA to get support for it
[09:31] <fishbowlkraken> So not much filing an Ubuntu bug report would do
[09:31] <fishbowlkraken> other than them saying "welp not our problem"
[09:31] <jushur> just create the dir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[09:31] <fishbowlkraken> Alright.
[09:32] <fishbowlkraken> So now I reboot?
[09:32] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: no
[09:32] <fishbowlkraken> Okay, I created the directory, so it's apparently saving to it
[09:32] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: do you have a .conf file in /etc/X11 directory somewhere?
[09:34] <jushur> did nvidia settings save a file in there?
[09:34] <fishbowlkraken> No, it saves it in modprobe.d
[09:34] <fishbowlkraken> Or at least that's the settings file I know of.
[09:35] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: the block for nouveau yes
[09:35] <fishbowlkraken> There's no xorg.conf, there is xorg.conf.d, like you told me to create
[09:36] <fishbowlkraken> Ubuntu hasn't used a xorg.conf in years though
[09:38] <jushur> u have ~/.nvidia-settings-rc
[09:39] <jushur> right?
[09:39] <zachflem> squig: sorry for the delay, trying to auto mount usb drives, ideally unmount, but not as important
[09:40] <fishbowlkraken> https://pastebin.com/uw8eEqg6
[09:42] <fishbowlkraken> Here's its contents.
[09:42] <ducasse> zachflem: you want to auto-unmount usb drives? as in, before you remove them?
[09:43] <zachflem> ducasse, i just read that again, and something tells me its not going to work =P
[09:43] <ducasse> zachflem: exactly :)
[09:44] <zachflem> ducasse, if i could mount and share automatically though, that'd be super handy
[09:44] <ducasse> zachflem: what's your setup? normally the de has these things built-in.
[09:44] <squig> zachflem, and share?
[09:45] <squig> yes, I just had to go and pull out all the auto, which is why I know a little about this.
[09:45] <zachflem> squig: the sharing is a stop gap to accessing the media files on the drives until I can get the dlna server working. the wife MUST WATCH HER SHOWS!
[09:47] <squig> zachflem, so exactly what are you trying to achieve? it might be easier if we knew that. You want to plug a usb disk and have it automatically appear?
[09:47] <fishbowlkraken> Yikes. Getting entertainment up and running for the misses is more important than my lil drivers issue, lol, so I'mma head to bed. Hope you guys can sort that out!
[09:47] <zachflem> squig: yeah, but I'm running headless
[09:48] <ducasse> fishbowlkraken: with that attitude, you might as well.
[09:48] <zachflem> and the server image doesnt include the automounting of usb drives stuff
[09:48] <zachflem> if i could get it to automount to /media/<driveLabel> i'd consider that a win
[09:49] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: you need a .conf file. with "Device" section and following option. Option "RegistryDwords" "PowerMizerEnable=0x0;"
[09:50] <jushur> fishbowlkraken: https://sswam.wordpress.com/2017/01/07/linux-low-power-low-heat-for-summer/
[09:50] <squig> zachflem, is that the server that will have the dlna system? that might be easier to set up :D
[09:50] <ducasse> zachflem: look at udisks2
[09:50] <jushur> zachflem: udiskctl
[09:50] <ducasse> zachflem: but something like minidlna takes minutes to get running
[09:50] <zachflem> squig: yeah it is (an old laptop)
[09:51] <ren0v0> Hi, I'm wanting to use MinOZW, but i can't find what package its in  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/en/man1/MinOZW.1.html
[09:51] <ren0v0> I'm running 16.04
[09:51] <squig> zachflem, install plex, be happy.
[09:51] <zachflem> ducasse: i've been having trouble getting minidlna to scan the drives
[09:51] <ducasse> ren0v0: openzwave
[09:52] <zachflem> figure it something to do with the way the drives mount
[09:52] <ren0v0> ducasse, sudo aptitude search zwave  > i   python-openzwave                                                                  - openzwave
[09:53] <ducasse> ren0v0: that package does not exist in xenial, the man page above is from zesty
[09:54] <ren0v0> so no minozw for 16.04
[09:54] <ren0v0> meh
[09:55] <ducasse> ren0v0: upgrade or look for a ppa
[10:02] <tmin> Hello
[10:04] <tmin> I have kde neon (ununtu based) installed on my system. Most of the times when I connect my earphones the system works fine but when it wakes up from sleep with the jack plugged in, sound doesn't come out
[10:04] <tmin> after sometime the system cuts power
[10:05] <ducasse> tmin: we don't support neon, try #kdeneon
[10:06] <tmin> ducasse: kdeneon is ubuntu based
[10:06] <ducasse> !based on ubuntu | tmin
[10:07] <tmin> ohh thanks.
[10:22] <zachflem> gents, udisks2 mounts the drive beautifully, i've just been through the man page and was wondering if there is a way to change where the drives get mounted.
[10:23] <zachflem> and I dont see anywhere where the drives are automounted... am I just missing something here or is that not what this does?
[10:25] <ducasse> zachflem: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udisks#Mount_to_.2Fmedia_.28udisks2.29 maybe?
[10:28] <zachflem> ducasse: thanks, just trying to work out the rule goes!
[10:30] <ducasse> zachflem: first line in the blue box
[10:30] <zachflem> scratch that, missed the header of the code block.... ID 10 T error
[10:30] <zachflem> ducasse, cheers just saw that!
[10:33] <zachflem> if the file doesn't exist, thats just because the rule hasn't been created, or is the location arch specific?
[10:35] <ducasse> just create the file with that path
[10:36] <ppf> so!
[10:37] <ppf> i'm still looking for an alternative to nvidia gamestream for ubuntu
[10:37] <ppf> i.e., a mechanism to stream video output someplace, and receive inputs in return
[10:37] <ppf> is there something like that
[10:37] <ppf> ?
[10:43] <ppf> maybe it's too early for tricky questions like this, so let me throw in another one: how can i dump nm's connection info on a terminal?
[10:45] <ducasse> 'nmcli dev sh' might be what you're looking for?
[10:47] <ppf> it is! thx
[11:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:17] <jerin[m]> YankDownUnder: so I figured nautilus is daemonizing somehow and showing me what's on the Desktop folder. While using openbox. Any idea how I can fix this
[11:19] <zachflem> any of you guys using udisks2, what are you using to automount? i've tried udiskie (from the Arch page linked earlier) and it was a 400mb dud
[11:23] <ppf> i'm using dbus/nautilus for user mounting
[11:30] <zachflem> nautilus as in the gui file manager? im running headless with no user logged in, so that's not going to work.
[11:30] <ppf> yeah. but nautilus justs talks to udisksd through dbus
[11:32] <ppf> where would you like the disk to be mounted?
[11:39] <KeyboardNotFound> There's serious vuln in VLC 2.2.4 and version 2.2.5 is available but not through ubuntu repository. Is there any way to contact responsible people to add it?
[11:40] <MonkeyDust> KeyboardNotFound  newer versions may be added in the next ubuntu release
[11:40] <KeyboardNotFound> MonkeyDust: next ubuntu release? Too much waiting man for this serious vuln. Security patch must be available right now.
[11:41] <KeyboardNotFound> anything else is ruining the linux ecosystem.
[11:41] <MonkeyDust> !bug | KeyboardNotFound
[11:44] <ppf> KeyboardNotFound: is there an usn out for this?
[11:44] <KeyboardNotFound> ppf: what is usn ?
[11:45] <ppf> ubuntu security notice
[11:45] <ppf> what's the cve you're worried about?
[11:46] <tomreyn> KeyboardNotFound: also note that patches are often backported in ubuntu, so the (main) version number may not increase but the package can still be patched.
[11:47] <KeyboardNotFound> just a sec to find the CVE number
[11:50] <tomreyn> that's a looong second. ma<be you are referring to CVE-2016-5108?
[11:51] <tomreyn> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-5108.html
[11:52] <KeyboardNotFound> probably 5108
[11:53] <ppf> see tomreyn's link then
[11:57] <tomreyn> it seems to be difficult to exploit for causing more than a crash / denial of service http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/421
[11:58] <tomreyn> KeyboardNotFound: such bugs in media libraries happen all the time, since they are complex beasts (because media formats are, too). so this is not that special really.
[11:59] <tomreyn> (it still needs to be fixed, and eventually will be)
[11:59] <KeyboardNotFound> so 5108 is fixed in vlc 2.2.4 ?
[12:00] <wadie> does anyone use EA Origin on Ubuntu and can give some feedback ?
[12:01] <ioria> KeyboardNotFound, https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/vlc.html
[12:02] <tomreyn> are you referring to upstream or ubuntu?
[12:03] <KeyboardNotFound> tomreyn: the vuln is fixed in vlc 2.2.5, but it is not available in the ubunut repository. Why just don't add the newest version to the repo ?
[12:04] <tomreyn> KeyboardNotFound: that's not how ubuntu and debian works (for most packages).
[12:04] <KeyboardNotFound> tomreyn: haha, then when the newest version will be available? on next ubuntu release
[12:05] <MonkeyDust> KeyboardNotFound  it's not 'just add'
[12:05] <KeyboardNotFound> Btw, I have ubuntu 16.10, how to upgrade to 17.04
[12:06] <tomreyn> !latest | KeyboardNotFound
[12:06] <KeyboardNotFound> !upgrade
[12:07] <skinux> Can x64 not run x86 apps?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> skinux,  of course it can
[12:08] <tomreyn> skinux: you may still want to use a chroot in some cases
[12:10] <KeyboardNotFound> how the heck I could have uninstalled update-manager
[12:10] <tomreyn> using a package manager
[12:11] <rdbell> I have a laptop with an internal bluetooth device that frequently stops working. dmesg gives a message about the USB device being disconnected. How can I diagnose why this device is being randomly disconnected during use?
[12:11] <skinux> I'm trying to test a Mono app that is just started in development. It compiles fine, but doesn't run.
[12:22] <MonkeyDust> skinux  fyi: there's also #ubuntu-app-devel
[12:41] <sebsebseb> hi
[12:43] <iresf> hello  everyone   i have set JDK on ubuntu and then  create a desktop entry for Intelij idea but when i want to open it with its icon it says  :  No JDK found. Please validate either IDEA_JDK, JDK_HOME or JAVA_HOME environment variable points to valid JDK installation.
[12:44] <blitzcreep> how can i "reopen" a terminalsession that is running in the background as root after system logged out?
[12:45] <Jack_Sparrow__> What is JDK and where are you geting it from
[12:45] <iresf> Jack_Sparrow__ :  Java development Kit  from oracle website
[12:46] <fallentree> !info openjdk-8-jdk | Jack_Sparrow__
[12:47] <Jack_Sparrow__> fallentree, Thats fine but people throw around akronymns like we are all supposed to know them.
[12:48] <Jack_Sparrow__> He should be using the one from our repo
[12:48] <MonkeyDust> Jack_Sparrow__  tt (= that's true)
[12:49] <Jack_Sparrow__> iresf, And why did you not install the version we setup to work with ubunu
[12:50] <emr> Hello, i'm looking for good tutorial / article / doc about kvm clustering, any advices? thanks
[12:50] <fallentree> some apps require Oracle JAVA
[12:50] <iresf> Jack_Sparrow : i think Oracle JDK is better performance for android programming
[12:50] <fallentree> but, I'm using PyCharm which uses intellij tech and that works fine with OpenJDK
[12:51] <Jack_Sparrow__> iresf, You have NO idea what is even different.  Sorry
[12:51] <fallentree> iresf: just keep in mind that Java in Android is not THE Java, it's just Java API
[12:52] <iresf> ok
[12:52] <tomreyn> emr: maybe ask in #ubuntu-server
[12:52] <iresf> i find out   i have never search   about different between OpenJDK and JDK
[12:53] <emr> thanks tomreyn
[12:55] <iresf> so please tell me  opdnJDK is good for using  ?
[12:55] <ppf> sure
[12:56] <iresf> alright
[13:10] <solidfox> hello. I was wondering if there is a way to make all libre-office-* applications share the same icon in unity task bar
[13:11] <solidfox> instead, I use the common libre-office launcher icon. choose new writer document. In the unity task bar, they become separate icons. one for the launcher, and one for writer...
[13:12] <solidfox> the trash can icon has multiple icons, I wonder if there is some configuration to allow multiple states for a launcher
[13:13] <sphalerite> If I want to add a DeviceSection to manually specify the backlight corresponding to a display device for the X server (it doesn't detect it automatically), how should I do this nowadays?
[13:14] <ppf> "nowadays"?
[13:14] <YuGiOhJCJ> solidfox, if you want to customize icons of your applications, you can write your own *.desktop files in your ~/.local/share/applications/ directory (you can take examples of *.desktop files in /usr/share/applications/)
[13:15] <sphalerite> ppf: now that there isn't a single xorg.conf
[13:15] <solidfox> YuGiOhJCJ, ah thanks. I'll try it
[13:15] <ppf> sphalerite: just make one
[13:15] <YuGiOhJCJ> solidfox, just change the "Icon=" line to match to the PNG image you want to use
[13:16] <ppf> sphalerite: or put a specific config in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[13:16] <Jack_Sparrow__> ppf, Some of have been hanging here since Dapper and Casper so yes, Nowadays
[13:17] <sphalerite> ppf: right, thanks
[13:17] <ppf> Jack_Sparrow__: but ubuntu majorly autodetecting anything has bin around since what, lucid?
[13:18] <blitzcreep> how can i "reopen" a terminalsession that is running in the background as root after system logged out?
[13:18] <ppf> and /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d is the place to go since maverick
[13:18] <blitzcreep> without screen
[13:19] <ppf> without a multiplexer you can't
[13:19] <ppf> why is the session still up even though you logged out, though?
[13:19] <ppf> what's running in there?
[13:20] <blitzcreep> apt-get upgrade :/
[13:21] <ppf> just let it complete?
[13:21] <blitzcreep> i think its stuck or waiting for a reply
[13:21] <ppf> if you're worried about watching progress, you can tailf /var/log/apt/term.log
[13:21] <blitzcreep> its been over an hours
[13:22] <ppf> check term.log, and if it's stuck maybe just kill it
[13:23] <blitzcreep> uh
[13:23] <blitzcreep> thx
[13:24] <blitzcreep> i'll let it hang a while longer
[13:24] <blitzcreep> apearntly its konfiguring grub 0o
[13:24] <blitzcreep> exmlains why boot fked up last time that happend and i just rebooted =)
[13:24] <ppf> sure
[13:24] <ppf> just tailf it :)
[13:25] <blitzcreep> i nanoed it :P
[13:25] <blitzcreep> omg
[13:25] <blitzcreep> with tailf i get a popup
[13:25] <ppf> you shouldn't?
[13:26] <blitzcreep> it is waiting for a reply on wich media grup is locaded
[13:26] <blitzcreep> 0o
[13:26] <blitzcreep> hm
[13:26] <ppf> yeah that's the grub configuring asking you, not tailf
[13:26] <blitzcreep> yeah but ahrg
[13:26] <ppf> the f means follow btw, meaning it'll follow updates of the file
[13:27] <blitzcreep> yeah figgured it after reading the command right ;)
[13:27] <blitzcreep> but how can i respond to the grup installer?
[13:29] <ppf> doesn't the popup let you enter things?
[13:30] <blitzcreep> ok its not a popup its a terminal "responsebox"-thingy
[13:32] <blitzcreep> nope i cant interact, it just puts the keystrokes on the screen
[13:33] <ppf> okay, if you really need to you can reattach stdout/stdin to a process
[13:33] <blitzcreep> ok how do i do that?
[13:33] <ppf> create two things: mkfifo /tmp/apt_stdin; touch /tmp/apt_stdout
[13:34] <ppf> then attach to the running process with gdb -p $PID
[13:35] <blitzcreep> how to attach?
[13:35] <ppf> just like that
[13:35] <blitzcreep> ah "gdb -p $.." i see
[13:35] <blitzcreep> *b
[13:35] <ppf> and then reattach the files
[13:35] <ppf> call close(0)
[13:36] <ppf> call open("/tmp/apt_stdin", 0600)
[13:36] <ppf> call close(1)
[13:36] <ppf> call open("/tmp/apt_stdout", 0400)
[13:37] <ppf> that'll connect the standard streams to the files you created
[13:37] <augu> how are paths treated in apparmor e.g. /path vs /path/ vs /path/* vs /path/** ?
[13:38] <ppf> then you can tailf the stdout to watch output and with "cat > /tmp/apt_stdin" you can write to stdin
[13:38] <blitzcreep> after call close and call open it tells me there is no systemtable loaded
[13:38] <blitzcreep> use file command
[13:39] <ppf> blitzcreep: that shouldn't matter, i think
[13:40] <ppf> type continue to let the program carry on after you've manipulated the std fds
[13:41] <ppf> augu: check man 5 apparmor.d for the full spec
[13:41] <augu> thanks
[13:42] <blitzcreep> ppf thx ill try
[13:42] <ppf> augu: it's just standard globbing rules, though
[13:43] <ppf> * matches any number of anything except /, ** matches any number of anything including /
[13:43] <ppf> just like bash
[13:44] <augu> I never knew you could use those rules in bash, wow
[13:44] <augu> awesome
[13:56] <Jack_Sparrow__> !mint
[14:03] <nyuszika7h> If I have updates set to automatic, will it prompt for root password?
[14:04] <nyuszika7h> Well not root password user's password
[14:05] <ppf> nyuszika7h: you're talking about unattended upgrades? no, it'll run in the background
[14:05] <ppf> "unattended"
[14:06] <nyuszika7h> I guess so, I set the software update to download and install updates automatically
[14:07] <nyuszika7h> Makes sense of course that it would  do it without a password just wanted to make sure that's the case
[14:09] <nyuszika7h> Heh, locales are generated for every single English dialect
[14:09] <nyuszika7h> Plus Hungarian which is the system language
[14:09] <nyuszika7h> Why does the software updater show a blank debconf window when details are expanded sometimes?
[14:12] <nyuszika7h> Hmm it complains about possible missing firmware for i915, is that going to cause problems for just web browsing (including watching YouTube videos)?
[14:12] <nyuszika7h> (This is Lubuntu 16.04.2 LTS i386 on a relative's old P4)
[14:13] <blitzcreep> ppf i didnt get it running your way... but i killed the root process via command (not via htop what didnt work)
[14:15] <blitzcreep> then i had to sudo dpkg --configure... manually ...now the upgrade is running again... hopefully i dont get some initramfs error on boot again ;)
[14:15] <ppf> did you remember to put it in a multiplexer this time? ;)
[14:16] <ppf> nyuszika7h: it does that ... hasn't been a problem for me
[14:16] <blitzcreep> surely i forgot ...
[14:16] <blitzcreep> :P
[14:16] <blitzcreep> but it went trhough ...
[14:16] <blitzcreep> i think i keep the box running till tomorrow ...no reboot today, no trouble, and i can watch my movies tonight ;)
[14:21] <iresf> On ubuntu 16.04 NetworkManager take %100 Cpu and i couldnt find a sulotion by googleing
[14:23] <Dreaman> pic
[14:23] <Koyaanisqatsi`> I set up a lot of people with ubuntu unity. Now where to move? gnome or ubuntu-mate?
[14:23] <Dreaman> i love unity
[14:24] <Dreaman> xubuntu
[14:24] <sebsebseb> Koyaanisqatsi`: another distro :d
[14:24] <nyuszika7h> MATE is better than GNOME 3 IMO
[14:25] <nyuszika7h> Or use XFCE
[14:25] <Jack_Sparrow__> Koyaanisqatsi`, I left Ubuntu because of unity and I went to MintMate and love it.  The Ubuntu Mate should be even better
[14:25] <Koyaanisqatsi`> mint is still ubuntu, but worse imo
[14:25]  * sebsebseb doesn't need anything Ubuntu based :)
[14:25] <Dreaman> http://imgur.com/a/qY1xl  Koyaanisqatsi`  i test some :) i am lame
[14:26] <Koyaanisqatsi`> I will only leave users with ubuntu due to software repo choice
[14:26] <Jack_Sparrow__> It was better than choking down Unity
[14:26] <sebsebseb> exactly Mint is like 95% Ubuntu
[14:26] <nyuszika7h> The option for what to do with security updates is greyed out in software update settings
[14:26] <Koyaanisqatsi`> gnome 3 seems pretty similar to unity, although it feels faster
[14:26] <nyuszika7h> I previously set it to automatically download and install
[14:26] <nyuszika7h> Now it's greyed out and I can't choose anything
[14:26] <mrchairman> Suppose I'm using rsync, and I'm transferring files to a remote system. What if the ownership of the users are different? Like I'm "Paul" on my local machine, but I ssh to the remote computer as "Ringo"... When I transfer the files will Ringo own them?
[14:27] <sebsebseb> Koyaanisqatsi`:  Unity usees GNOME n the background
[14:27] <sebsebseb> Koyaanisqatsi`: Unith 7 uses GNOME in background with Compiz
[14:27] <Koyaanisqatsi`> sebsebseb, well there you go
[14:27] <sebsebseb> Koyaanisqatsi`: they did Unity insstead of going with the GNOME Shell interface
[14:27] <Koyaanisqatsi`> I guess they ended it with the smartphone plans
[14:27] <Koyaanisqatsi`> I never liked unity nor used it, but other people seemed to.
[14:28] <sebsebseb> nyuszika7h: Ubuntu used to use GNOME 2,  Mate is forked from that
[14:28] <sebsebseb> Koyaanisqatsi`: its like they have gone back to 2010 or going back to 2010 in certain ways
[14:28] <nyuszika7h> sebsebseb: I know
[14:28] <Jack_Sparrow__> agreed
[14:28] <sebsebseb> Koyaanisqatsi`: by using the upstream GNOME interface  by default instead as of 17.10.  since GNOME 2 is no longer made upstream for years
[14:28] <sebsebseb> Jack_Sparrow__: agreed to me ?
[14:29] <Koyaanisqatsi`> well as you said, mate is the new gnome 2
[14:29] <Jack_Sparrow__> agreed it is  like going back in time.  Felt odd like going back to win 98
[14:29]  * sebsebseb thinks its funny the various fan boys etc on omgubuntu who I have read in comments, like oh what to use now, Ubuntu dropped unity
[14:29] <sebsebseb> uh other interfaces run in Ubuntu, and  can keep Unity 7 for longer to
[14:29] <sebsebseb> plus there areo ther distros
[14:30] <Jack_Sparrow__> The same guy that worked with mate on mint is working on ubuntu mate
[14:30] <ducasse> !discuss
[14:30] <sebsebseb> and Unity 8 is getting forked
[14:30] <Koyaanisqatsi`> mate is pretty solid. I use it myself on debian. It just doesn't do fancy things.
[14:30] <Koyaanisqatsi`> and good thing about ubuntu is that 17.04 already has the brisk menu
[14:31] <iresf> On ubuntu 16.04 NetworkManager take %100 Cpu and i couldnt find a sulotion by googleing
[14:31] <DJones> sebsebseb: Koyaanisqatsi` Might be worth moving the discussion to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic as its not a specific support issue
[14:31] <Jack_Sparrow__> ducasse, There has always been a certain amount of chat allowed here UNTIL a real ubuntu question pops up then everyone needs to shut it down and help
[14:32] <Koyaanisqatsi`> anyway carry on
[14:32] <sebsebseb> Jack_Sparrow__: no  they would have been using GNOME  3 Shell interface for years by default, if they hadn't gone down the Unity route instead, that's what I meant.  so its basIcally doing a u turn, and doing what would have done years ago instead, but with the recent version of GNOME Shell as of 2017
[14:32] <ducasse> Jack_Sparrow__: two other people are asking actual support questions.
[14:32] <sebsebseb> but we are off topic
[14:32] <sebsebseb> its true
[14:33] <ducasse> mrchairman: yes, the files would be owned by the user you ssh as.
[14:33] <augu> what format should system tray (notification area) icons be? Mine keeps getting a black line below it like it's the wrong format.
[14:35] <ubone> paste /usr/share/applications/libreoffice-writer.desktop please
[14:38] <ducasse> ubone: if you've corrupted it, just reinstall the package. if you want the file for some other reason, use 'apt download' to get the package and extract it.
[14:40] <Jack_Sparrow__> augu, You might look at the ones that work and see what they use..  /usr/share/icons/
[14:50] <Jack_Sparrow__> !find matlab
[14:50] <Jack_Sparrow__> !matlab
[14:50] <ducasse> !msgthebot
[14:52] <oerheks> Jack_Sparrow__, matlab on 16.04? if you run in issues, install matlab-support for easy fixng
[14:52] <Jack_Sparrow__> ducasse, Please stop trying to help me.
[14:53] <Jack_Sparrow__> oerheks, Tx, I will let the user that was interested know.
[14:53] <oerheks> and more tips, https://askubuntu.com/questions/763202/matlab-problem-on-ubuntu-16-04
[14:54] <Jack_Sparrow__> cool he will like that
[15:22] <mrchairman> Suppose I'm on a ssh session, how do I copy a file from my localhost to my server?
[15:24] <Guest47847> Hi, my shortcuts keys take a long time to show effect, eg. [ctrl] + [alt] + [t] opens terminal after (say) 20 seconds.
[15:25] <Zeljko> https://pastebin.com/sEfCmmtX
[15:25] <rud0lf> mrchairman: i use scp on other terminal, i'm not sure if it's possible by ssh session
[15:25] <Zeljko> someone tell me , what means
[15:25] <Zeljko> Memfree
[15:25] <Zeljko> and Memavailable
[15:25] <mrchairman> rud0lf, thanks man
[15:25] <rud0lf> mrchairman: scp ./file.txt rud0lf@shell.com:dest_dir/
[15:25] <mrchairman> I will use scp too then,
[15:26] <rud0lf> mrchairman: there's also sshfs you can install
[15:26] <rud0lf> it allows mounting remote directory as local one
[15:27] <rud0lf> similar to cd-rom or local share
[15:27] <donofrio> guessing these are bad? (screensave kicks on randomnly at times) "LanguageInvoker[27382]: segfault at 8c7f54c0 ip 8c7f54c0 sp 8fd9c40c error 15"
[15:27] <donofrio> hardware is https://apaste.info/ace5
[15:27] <donofrio> anyone know what would cause my system to want to open the screensaver while I'm using it?  looks like this https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNmJhqWq9S-1ngbSAUww
[15:28] <Zeljko> https://pastebin.com/sEfCmmtX
[15:28] <Zeljko> someone tell me , what means
[15:28] <Zeljko> Memfree
[15:28] <Zeljko> and Memavailable
[15:30] <TheOneMenzie> donofrio: If using a screensaver is that much of a bother, may I recommend something less intrusive, such as light-locker?
[15:31] <ducasse> donofrio: can you pastebin the output of 'xset q'?
[15:32] <TheOneMenzie> !pm | Zeljko
[15:32] <Zeljko> TheOneMenzie
[15:32] <Zeljko> https://pastebin.com/sEfCmmtX
[15:32] <Zeljko> i ask 2 times and without an answer
[15:32] <TheOneMenzie> Zeljko: I saw your question :)
[15:32] <Zeljko> and ?
[15:32] <TheOneMenzie> Have patience!
[15:32] <Zeljko> how much memory i've been used
[15:32] <TheOneMenzie> ! patience
[15:33] <Zeljko> i dont have a patience
[15:33] <TheOneMenzie> Zeljko: I can tell :) Run [ free -m ] instead
[15:33] <ducasse> Zeljko: don't pm random people, wait for an answer
[15:33] <Zeljko> i did
[15:33] <Zeljko> free -m
[15:33] <Zeljko> but i dont understand
[15:33] <donofrio> ducasse, https://apaste.info/m5zX
[15:33] <BluesKaj> instant gratification isn't available here
[15:34] <Zeljko> TheOneMenzie
[15:34] <TheOneMenzie> Zeljko: But your pastebin is not of [ free -m ] but rather [ cat /proc/meminfo ]
[15:34] <Zeljko> https://pastebin.com/DERPZVRj
[15:34] <Zeljko> TheOneMenzie
[15:35] <oerheks> Zeljko, take a read, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1hk5ow/free_buffer_swap_dirty_procmeminfo_explained/
[15:35] <ducasse> donofrio: you might want to disable the screensaver you're using now, and set blanking or screen off with xset instead. see the 's' and 'dpms' options in the xset man page.
[15:35] <Zeljko> oerheks how can i see what proccess using too much memory ?
[15:36] <TheOneMenzie> Zeljko: See also http://linuxatemyram.com
[15:36] <oerheks> Zeljko, i doubt they use "too much", but if you look at 'top' of install htop, you get detailed info about processes
[15:37] <Zeljko> TheOneMenzie
[15:37] <donofrio> ducasse, ok I disabled it....
[15:37] <Zeljko> im using vps
[15:37] <Zeljko> im using windows on my laptop
[15:37] <Zeljko> its vps shell
[15:37] <oerheks> og a VPS is more difficult to determin
[15:37] <oerheks> what maes you think it uses toomuch ?
[15:37] <oerheks> c/makes
[15:38] <Zeljko> available
[15:38] <Zeljko> Mem:            992         123         149          20         719         650
[15:38] <ducasse> donofrio: then decide if you want the screen to blank or just suspend and then switch off.
[15:38] <iresf> why NetworkManager process take  100% Cpu  ?
[15:38] <Zeljko> https://pastebin.com/FRCKG3ik
[15:38] <Zeljko> is this ok or not ?
[15:39] <TheOneMenzie> On a 1 GB RAM system you have 650 MB available, I'd say that's normal
[15:39] <Zeljko> cool
[15:39] <TheOneMenzie> It's always the last # in the row that's available
[15:39] <Zeljko> i see now :)
[15:40] <TheOneMenzie> The above link explains how disk caching works
[15:40] <Zeljko> i see dude thanks
[15:40] <Zeljko> please tell me
[15:40] <Zeljko> when i ADDUSER, how can i chmod them
[15:40] <Zeljko> and how to give any privileges to him
[15:41] <Zeljko> for example: hdd is 20gb, i want to give him 1gb...etc..
[15:41] <mrchairman> rud0lf, hey man, when I scp I get port22 connection refused.. I'm on digital ocean, what am I doing wrong here?
[15:42] <ducasse> Zeljko: the thing you need for that is called 'disk quotas'
[15:42] <Zeljko> ducasse
[15:42] <Zeljko> how to do that
[15:42] <ducasse> Zeljko: install the 'quota' package and start reading the docs :)
[15:43] <Zeljko> when install quota package
[15:43] <Zeljko> i need to restart my machine or not ?
[15:43] <ducasse> Zeljko: no, i don't think so. i haven't used quotas in a long time, though.
[15:43] <Zeljko> ok
[15:57] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Wish that all the spam on IRC stopped.
[15:59] <rud0lf> i can give you the link how you stop it
[15:59] <rud0lf> ;)
[16:04] <freakyy> hi all. i keep having database connection issues. it says it has too many connections. how can i best fix that. i have owncloud running and suddenly every hour it stops working for 3 minutes or so.
[16:14] <codepython777> How does one test a microphone connected to card 2: arecord  hw:2,0 -d 10  /tmp/test-mic.wav ? My recording is coming up blank. Any suggestions?
[16:16] <codepython777> no active input level - anyone knows how to fix this?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> codepython777, check that your loopback is enabled and automute is disabled in alsamixer, for starters
[16:26] <codepython777> amixer -c 0 contents | grep mut  --> All mute=0
[16:27] <codepython777> BluesKaj: My speakers on the headphones are working - can loopback be disabled?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> codepython777, not amixer, alsamixer in the console
[16:33] <codepython777> alsamixer - when i select the card, i only see PCM - so volume - but no mic
[16:33] <ptx0> if i have an ubuntu 16.04 and wanted to update to 17.04 can i just.. update to that somehow?
[16:34] <ducasse> ptx0: you need to go via 16.10
[16:34] <ptx0> ok how can i do that
[16:34] <BluesKaj> codepython777, select card0
[16:34] <ducasse> ptx0: 'sudo do-release-upgrade' after setting 'upgrade to any new release'
[16:35] <codepython777> BluesKaj: I can select the card, click F5:All, and it shows a <Mic>
[16:35] <codepython777> card 0 is intel pch - which I am not using. I need 2-> Avantree Leaf
[16:37] <BluesKaj> seems you have the digital out on alsa, if you have pulseaudio , maybe install pavucontrol and use that to set your audio inputs and outputs
[16:38] <ptx0> ducasse: how do i set upgrade to any release?
[16:38] <ducasse> ptx0: in the 'software and updates' gui
[16:39] <ducasse> ptx0: or edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[16:40] <ptx0> i'm trying to help someone do this and they probably aren't comfortable editing files via cli
[16:40] <codepython777> BluesKaj: pavucontrol is working, speakers on my headphone - no problem. Microphone - no luck
[16:40] <ioria> ptx0, https://www.flickr.com/photos/xmodulo/10955425153/
[16:41] <oerheks> ptx0, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS
[16:41] <ptx0> any idea what menu category this is for xubuntu? settings or system or something?
[16:42] <BluesKaj> codepython777, which soundcard and chip?
[16:43] <codepython777> its a Avantree Leaf: bt soundcard?
[16:48] <ptx0> thanks peeps, she's got it downloading updates now
[16:48] <ptx0> do you think it's generally recognized as safe to update this way?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> hmm, no experience at all with that codepython777 ...dunno how to help :/
[16:48] <oerheks> ptx0, what if we say *no* ??
[16:48] <ptx0> i don't see her screen / no ssh access so i'm not sure which release it's downloading
[16:49] <ptx0> then i'll probably have to make a long unscheduled drive to fix stuff heh
[16:49] <oerheks> always have an USB with the latest ready, before upgrading
[16:49] <codepython777> BluesKaj: Thanks
[16:50] <ptx0> i don't run ubuntu on my personal machines, i use gentoo but generally i can hop from kernel 2.6 to 4.12 if i wanted so not sure why a 16.04 to 17.04 wouldn't work
[16:50] <sambagirl> afternoon. my touchscreen  functionality doesnt work anymore, any ideas?
[16:52] <sambagirl> seveas you around?
[16:59] <sparky8251> i need some help... for some reaon my USB 3.0 ports fail to do anything on 16.04 even though they work in windows
[16:59] <sparky8251> anyone have an idea of what it might be?
[17:03] <dev-ex-machina> man, minimal installs to UEFI are annoying when you have a crummy UEFI firmware
[17:04] <dev-ex-machina> I can't get anything other than windows 10 to install to my drive, and I'm 100% sure it's related to this low end acer and it's poorly programmed barren featureless UEFI
[17:05] <sparky8251> install or boot?
[17:05] <oerheks> dev-ex-machina, let me guess, 32 bit windows + uefi on a 64 bit machine?
[17:05] <dev-ex-machina> nope, 64 bit
[17:05] <dev-ex-machina> Just a really crummy UEFI, combined with ubuntu not co-operating
[17:06] <dev-ex-machina> the only way i've gotten linux to boot before, is using windows cmd prompt to reconfigure the UEFI partition to load grub
[17:07] <sparky8251> dev-ex-machina i had a similar problem with my HP laptop. the UEFI boot order was hard coded so i had to rename grubs EFI entry in the partition to the same as whatever the windows one was
[17:07] <dev-ex-machina> this is an acer
[17:07] <dev-ex-machina> I should have known not to buy an acer but I was on a tight budget
[17:08] <ioria> dev-ex-machina, are you using the mini.iso  ?
[17:08] <dev-ex-machina> it's a $900 acer, with same specs as $1400 asus
[17:08] <dev-ex-machina> ioria, yes, but i've also tried normal installs
[17:08] <dev-ex-machina> I'm using minimal now so I can use expert mode
[17:08] <dev-ex-machina> try and fix it manually
[17:08] <ioria> dev-ex-machina, for mini.iso, i can say it does not support uefi
[17:09] <ioria> dev-ex-machina, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD#mini_system_in_UEFI_mode
[17:09] <dev-ex-machina> it does have an EFI folder with a grub uefi image.. you just have to relocate the EFI folder to the root of the usb
[17:10] <dev-ex-machina> I don't know why the included it but put it in the wrong place....
[17:10] <ioria> ^
[17:10] <ducasse> ptx0: a release upgrade upgrades *everything*, far from just the kernel. every new package and their dependencies, it's a long list.
[17:11] <dev-ex-machina> I think I'm going to have to install windows to use the cmd prompt then resize my partition after removing it
[17:11] <dev-ex-machina> It's kinda crummy that I have to do that
[17:11] <ioria> dev-ex-machina, have you seen the link i posted ? gives you an alternative
[17:12] <dev-ex-machina> looking now... I thought it was something I already saw but actually it's not
[17:13] <dev-ex-machina> the problem is I don't have a package manager to work with in this expert mode installers shell
[17:15] <donofrio> what is the process that will enable native nvidia drivers (getting old pages being flipped in front of me randomly every 5 min so I'm thinking builtin driver are not doing the best or something GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV530 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 12.0.6 Direct Rendering: Yes
[17:16] <dev-ex-machina> I'm thinking of trying an newer firmware, but I always get panic attacks and anxiety when I'm flashing things that don't have brick recovery methods
[17:19] <dev-ex-machina> I've never actually bricked anything and I've done it hundreds of times to mine and other peoples computers, but I still worry because there is now way I can drop the money to get another laptop with the same specs, I'd have to get a really cheap one then I can't do my work because it involves compiling massive projects using bloated toolchains and I need 6 hours and 12+ gb of ram for the main project I'm on
[17:21] <dev-ex-machina> I need a staticaly linked apt for x86_64
[17:21] <dev-ex-machina> to fix this problem using my current mini iso in expert mode
[17:21] <dev-ex-machina> screw it... I'm gonna switch to legacy bios mode,., UEFI doesn't offer enough benefits to be worth this trouble
[17:21] <Jack_Sparrow__> agreed
[17:22] <dev-ex-machina> I've tried 4 versions of ubuntu and lubuntu, and the minimal iso in every possible way I can
[17:23] <dev-ex-machina> Next time I buy a new computer I'm checking that the UEFI firmware is good, and full of config features and options... Mine has like, nothing except UEFI or Legacy mode, plus boot device order, plus.... save and reboot
[17:24] <dev-ex-machina> It's the worst bios/firmware i've ever used in terms of features, and it obviously isn't properly compliant with UEFI standards
[17:24] <dev-ex-machina> I should have borrowed $500 and bought the asus with the same specs
[17:25] <dev-ex-machina> asus is godly comapred to acer
[17:26] <dev-ex-machina> not that asus is that special, it's just that acer is horrible, and I knew it, but I bought what i could afford. The cheapest computer with dual-gpu for CUDA dev, and an i5 broadwell, The HDD started failing really fast, and died like 2 weeks after my warranty expired
[17:26] <dev-ex-machina> now I got an SSD and it's nice, but I wanted to spend that money on ram
[17:28] <dev-ex-machina> I have a usb with nightly lubuntu, and another with xenial LTS, and somewhere I have one with windows 10 incase I need to use the windows cmd prompt trick to do this... It's pretty sad if they only way a computer can boot anyting other than windows is if you have both OS and use windows to enable the other boot option
[17:28] <compdoc> UEFI or Legacy mode, plus boot device is all any of them have
[17:30] <dev-ex-machina> compdoc, no... I used to have money and get good hardware and it had lots of options every time, voltage and frequency controls, lots of different hardware interfaces you could switch between for different devices, built like higher end dekstop stuff, but that stuff costs 3-4x as much as I spent
[17:30] <ducasse> dev-ex-machina: you can't use efibootmgr from a live image?
[17:30] <compdoc> thats nothing to do with uefi
[17:31] <dev-ex-machina> ducasse, i can't get grub to be recognized, no matter how I install it
[17:31] <dev-ex-machina> I tried from a live usb already
[17:31] <dev-ex-machina> 2 different ones
[17:31] <dev-ex-machina> I been trying to do this for like 6 hours now, it shouldn't take 6 hours to install ubuntu
[17:32] <ducasse> dev-ex-machina: then what is it you do from windows that fixes things?
[17:32] <dev-ex-machina> Like, I'm not stupid, i'm good with computers, this hardware is just not compliant with the standards
[17:33] <dev-ex-machina> there's a command, I think it's called bcedit or something... I just copy/pasted it from a google search result and poof grub was there when I rebooted instead of not even giving me the option when I hit the key to give me a boot menu to choose from
[17:33] <ducasse> yes, the linux equivalent of that is efibootmgr.
[17:33] <dev-ex-machina> ducasse, I tried it
[17:34] <dev-ex-machina> I am using linux 20 years, I only had windows 10 resized down to a 20gb parition so I could install a compiler and do some windows dev experimenting because I haven't used windows in 20 years till I got this laptop
[17:35] <Jack_Sparrow__> whats your partition layout now
[17:36] <mordof> i'm dual booting windows 10 and ubuntu. everything has been fine for a while. windows did an update, forced a restart - and now grub is broken. it just drops me to grub rescue. windows install media won't run, and i'm lost as to how to fix my grub in a linux live boot
[17:36] <mordof> i've tried a grub-repair thing, which didn't help at all
[17:37] <Jack_Sparrow__> Need to figure out what that Windows update did to your system
[17:38] <mordof> i need to be able to boot to it before it can resume the update. at the moment all of the windows stuff is locked
[17:38] <mordof> not sure
[17:38] <mordof> i don't know how to work with grub all that well is the main issue.. otherwise i'd probably have this resolved already
[17:40] <Jack_Sparrow__> mordof, No .. you would most likely not fix it with just grub
[17:40] <mordof> Jack_Sparrow__: what's your suspicion?
[17:41] <mordof> i just looked at gparted... looks like potentially the file system for my ubuntu install has been damaged
[17:41] <BluesKaj> mordof,  think you can install grub to the uefi boot partition iirc, with the live media
[17:41] <dev-ex-machina> I'm going to replace this UEFI... I'm going to hack together a bettter one using a system with the same hardware(the asus laptop i wanted was exact same hardware execpt for better HDD, better screen, more RAM, and the RAM was faster
[17:41] <dev-ex-machina> At this point I just want to buy another laptop, but a custom firmware would be good for my portfolio
[17:42] <mordof> Jack_Sparrow__: the partition it was on before is now listed as unallocated... :/
[17:43] <BluesKaj> windows won't reecognize ext4
[17:43] <mordof> it wasn't the windows update that directly caused this... my grub boots by default into ubuntu. when i came back to my computer, it was in ubuntu, but then i told it to restart
[17:43] <BluesKaj> recognize
[17:43] <mordof> and that's when i got the behavior of grub dropping into  grub-rescue without being able to find the partition
[17:44] <dev-ex-machina> I really want a firmware that lets me overclock and underclock and adjsut everything, I can reverse engineer and know x86 asm and hardware programmiung better than anyone I've ever met... So if there is anyone who can  make a perfect firmware without having the source but having a variety of similar firmwares, it's me
[17:44] <dev-ex-machina> not that I'm saying I can... but if anyone can, I can
[17:45] <dev-ex-machina> I've never done a bios/UEFI before
[17:45] <ioria> mordof, i'd say the best way is boot again the Livecd, paste sudo parted -l, mount your root and boot partitions and reinstall grub ?
[17:45] <mordof> ioria: the ubuntu partition is marked as unallocated, how would i do that?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> dev-ex-machina,  this not  your personal blog , enough with the stream of what 'yer gonna do"
[17:46] <dev-ex-machina> ok sorry, i'm just raging right now
[17:46] <dev-ex-machina> i'll shut up and wait for my iso to download
[17:47] <ioria> mordof, can you paste sudo parted -l  and  sudo blkid ?
[17:48] <mordof> uhh.. hold on, let me hop on irc on that computer
[17:48] <mordof> i guess i don't need to do that.. one sec
[17:49] <ioria> mordof, choose 'try without install' and install hexchat or what you like
[17:50] <mordof> ioria: https://pastebin.com/NGt0pCcU
[17:50] <mordof> https://pastebin.com/nLbR0PNS
[17:51] <mordof> ioria:  partition 4 on /dev/sda is where my ubuntu install is/was
[17:51] <ioria> mordof,  i assume your ubuntu was on  the extended /dev/sda4 ?
[17:51] <mordof> yeah
[17:52] <ioria> mordof, 17g of swap file ???
[17:52] <mordof> lol
[17:53] <mordof> unnecessary, completely.. don't worry about it xD
[17:53] <ioria> mordof, i'am worried about no root partition ...
[17:53] <mordof> indeed
[17:53] <mordof> it used to be there -.-
[17:53] <mordof> the swap file is normal - that's what i made it as
[17:54] <ioria> mordof, a windows update usually does not remove partitions ...
[17:54] <mordof> agreed
[17:55] <mordof> i know that's what started the process, but i'm not sure if that's the exact cause
[17:57] <ioria> mordof,  maybe testdisk can help you
[17:58]  * mordof gives it a try
[17:58] <Jack_Sparrow__> or hirens
[18:00] <mordof> i've only ever used hirens to blow out passwords on old windows machines when people asked me to do repairs
[18:00] <mordof> didn't know it could do much else, lo
[18:07] <mordof> ioria: https://pastebin.com/QzKXnBsy      this is what i'm prompted with in testdisk after an analyze happens. i'm supposed to change the partition types to something that makes sense.. i'm not sure what makes sense here
[18:07] <IntelCore> Afternoon !
[18:08] <IntelCore> partition types?
[18:08] <mordof> IntelCore:  trying to recover an ubuntu partition that.. somehow got marked as 'unallocated'
[18:08] <mordof> using testdisk at the moment
[18:10] <IntelCore> hmm.. what missing?
[18:10] <oerheks> mordof, what mint version is this?
[18:10] <Jack_Sparrow__> mordof, run usb livemint and mount it  does what ?
[18:10] <mordof> 18.1
[18:11] <mordof> Jack_Sparrow__: invalid file system.. i think.. *tries it again*