 Happy Wednesday, and happy Grilled Cheese Sandwich Day! 😃
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> i don't have a hankering for grilled cheese but beans on toast sounds good for dinner today...
[12:24] <foobarry> wow popey started a religious war on g+ by posting a screenshot of whatsapp. didn't realise there was so much strong feeling
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> when all the real geeks use aol messenger... :-P
[12:31] <popey> yeah, weird
[12:31] <SuperMatt> I'm happy with whatsapp, apparently it's one of the better implementations of signal
[12:34] <foobarry> popey made the point a couple of times he was just demoing any android app
[12:34] <foobarry> it really wasn't the point of the discussion
[12:35] <foobarry> with these android things i get excited then realise there aren't any android apps i need on the desktop
[12:36] <penguin42> there's a slight danger in using android apps in that people wont bother developing native apps
[12:36] <popey> yeah, took me a while to find anything actually useful
[12:37] <popey> scrolled through all the apps on my phone, and the ones I tried, are all x86, not x86_64 :(
[12:37] <popey> e.g. Clash of Clans ;)
[12:37] <popey> "apps"
[12:37] <penguin42> why is x86 a problem?
[12:37] <popey> still, neat bit of tech
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> desktop linux has needed a few fart apps... :-P
[12:37] <popey> I don't think it runs the x86 apps
[12:37] <popey> maybe it was some other issue
[12:37] <popey> x86 ones I installed just refused to launch. might be a separate issue though
[12:38] <foobarry> evernote?
[12:41] <popey> foobarry: yup, evernote works!
[12:41] <popey> and that's x86. neat
[12:43] <popey> http://imgur.com/a/QUqJ2
[12:46] <SuperMatt> I take it you're talking about anbox
[12:53] <foobarry> yes,
[14:29] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[14:34] <BigRedS> Good Morniong!
[14:46] <diddledan> moaning
[14:52] <Laney> goat mornernoon
[14:53] <davmor2> go moron
[14:53]  * diddledan goes
[14:53] <MooDoo> doogy rev
[15:13]  * penguin42 has just registered on the mastodon chat system, as penguin42 on mastodon.org.uk
[15:20] <diddledan> o_O
[15:54] <Laney> errrrrrrrm
[16:05] <penguin42> Laney: What?! Mastodon's go Toot!
[16:35] <TwistedLucidity> penguin42: Yer going to have a follower in a second, pal
[16:36] <TwistedLucidity> 2! Feel the power of the social world flow through your veins.
[16:36] <TwistedLucidity> No, I have no idea what I'm doing either.
[20:00] <foobarry> whats the point of mastodon? what if you are using a server that gets pwned?
[20:02] <penguin42> foobarry: What's the point of irc?
[20:02] <penguin42> foobarry: It's just a different distributed messaging system
[20:14] <zmoylan-pi> it's an emergency backup for slack users...
[20:15] <foobarry> so its not a twitter?
[20:15] <zmoylan-pi> twitter wishes!!
[20:17] <penguin42> foobarry: It's a twitter clone
[20:17] <penguin42> foobarry: But on a distributed set of servers anyone can run
[20:18] <foobarry> and set up badly?
[20:22] <foobarry> oh, phoronix was right about silber
[20:27] <foobarry> so mastodon is diaspora? :O
[20:28] <penguin42> foobarry: I'm not sure - my understanding so far is it's the same server-server protocol, but a different client-server protocol, a cute mascot and there seem to be a few K people actually using it, which is a big improvement on diaspora
[20:30] <foobarry> if i create a foobarry username, it's only valid on the server i make it on?
[20:30] <foobarry> and every one is referenced by server+username? sounds really messy
[20:30] <penguin42> foobarry: Yes I think that's the case
[20:30] <penguin42> foobarry: Similar to Matrix in that respet
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> because name@server completely failed for email
[20:32] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: The bigger problem is that they can't cluster
[20:32] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Unlike mail where @server might be 50 boxes spread across 3 sites
[20:39] <foobarry> and what if your instance goes offline?
[20:39] <foobarry> its a dumb idea
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> the second rasp pi hot backup kicks in :-D
[20:41] <foobarry> and remembering whether you are the penguin42 on mastodon.social or mastodon.org.uk etc is a joke unless basically everyone deides to use one server
[20:42] <foobarry> unless...
[20:42] <zmoylan-pi> you can follow stallman on mastodon... none of the other networks has stallman... :-)
[20:43] <foobarry> on which server?
[20:43] <foobarry> and how do i know thats the real stallman and he's not the stallman on mastod.on ?
[20:43] <popey> well
[20:43] <foobarry> so it will have a massive identitiy problem soon
[20:43] <popey> i just searched and there is only one
[20:43] <foobarry> so i'll make another now?
[20:43] <popey> so I followed that one
[20:44] <popey> ok
[20:44] <foobarry> then what?
[20:44] <foobarry> post pictuers of parrots
[20:44] <popey> "Founder of the free software movement. President, Free Software Foundation. Most posts by a script operated by @mattl and @robmyers. Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you want a reply."
[20:45] <foobarry> the only benefit i see is if all the OSS geeks got onto one server and i could read the public timeline on that server alone. but it would soon get tainted anyway
[20:45] <foobarry> also, its making my fans spin up
[20:45] <foobarry> ctrl-w and down again
[20:48] <penguin42> foobarry: The bigger problem is that it's not failure proof against one server failing, so if mastodon.social goes extinct I can't log into elephant.social
[20:49] <foobarry> Due to exceptionally high traffic, registrations on this instance are closed until quality of service can be assured for existing users. Choose one of the various other public instances to sign up!
[20:49] <foobarry> lolz
[20:49] <foobarry> so everyone wants .social
[20:50] <penguin42> foobarry: The thing is it might have enough people to sustain it which none of the others have managed
[20:50] <zmoylan-pi> twitter is reaching critical bad management so it might have a chance
[20:53] <foobarry> maybe if it focuses around 2 or 3 servers?
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> or they find a way to nickname servers so they're easy to remember locate
[21:00] <penguin42> foobarry: I dunno - I don't think it's actually a problem having a lot of servers, I think it just needs a way of federating the userinformation between them in the way freenode does


[00:27] <keithzg[m]> sarnold: Pretty sure these are not SMR drives, these are older Western Digital Reds (4TB) from long before that brief period a year or two ago where they were selling SMR drives without telling anyone. Specifically, all four are WDC WD40EFRX-68WT0N0.
[00:28] <keithzg[m]> Of course, doesn't necessarily mean that they don't suck enough at sustained writes that such performance is nonetheless the fundamental problem here!
[00:32] <shibboleth> https://www.techspot.com/news/84973-wd-publishes-complete-list-smr-drives-following-user.html
[00:33] <shibboleth> https://nascompares.com/answer/list-of-wd-cmr-and-smr-hard-drives-hdd/
[00:34] <shibboleth> cmr
[00:40] <sarnold> keithzg[m], shibboleth, good news for keithzg[m], but it's a bit of a bummer to be wrong so many times. heh.
[00:40] <shibboleth> indeed
[00:40] <shibboleth> don't buy wd drives
[00:40] <shibboleth> get a toshiba n300
[00:41] <shibboleth> cheaper, 7200rpm, better
[00:41] <keithzg[m]> Err, Toshiba has also without documentation used SMR . . . the real problem here is the market of HDD manufacturers is very small and they're all a bit sketchy :P
[00:43] <keithzg[m]> For ages this array wasn't a problem though, often limited more by networking and i/o on the other end than on the storage server end, so it's particularly baffling to me that it's suddenly seemingly a problem as of this month :(
[14:43] <smoser> rbasak: it looks like https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sshuttle is not being updated.
[14:43] <smoser> i understood that that should happen magically, is that not true ?
[14:43]  * rbasak looks
[14:44] <smoser> groovy-devel and focal-devel are out of date (focal should have a -proposed entry 0.78.5-1ubuntu1  i thought)
[14:47] <rbasak> I agree. I wonder if the whitelist is being ignored.
[14:50] <rbasak> Yes there is something wrong here.
[14:53] <rbasak> Let me kick sshuttle manually for you, and I'll look into why that happened
[14:54] <rbasak> OK that's running
[15:09] <rbasak> smoser: updated. Sorry about that. I'll chase down the actual bug.
[15:09] <rbasak> It seems like quite a few packages are affected, but not all.
[15:49] <smoser> rbasak: thanks
[17:19] <sergiodj> mdeslaur: hey, I found the problem with mysql on risc-v and have a patch for it (not very pretty, but it works).  I'm recompiling to see if everything works, but it'll take a few hours
[17:19] <sergiodj> just a heads up :)
[17:19] <mdeslaur> sergiodj: oh, sweet :)
[17:30] <gregor3000> hello,
[17:31] <gregor3000> can anyone point me to a good SSH guide. i created a new user on server and i can't get it to connect. i moved the pub to server, i added the authorised key filed and copied in the string, but it gives me wrogn key verification
[17:31] <gregor3000> host key verification failed.
[17:32] <gregor3000> i can connetc to server using current user and key, but not using new user. the new user is just on server.
[17:32] <gregor3000> most guides tlak abotu setting firts user with password, then keys,then disabling password.
[17:48] <RoyK> gregor3000: check the logs
[17:49] <RoyK> gregor3000: /var/log/auth.log is a good start
[17:56] <gregor3000> do i need to call specific port when connecting?
[18:00] <keithzg[m]> gregor3000: Only if you did something special with the config in the first place, ssh should be serving on port 22 by default and client programs will assume the same.
[18:01] <gregor3000> ok so i messed up something with keys (maybe permissions or something). i think i will need to call my bro to help me out.
[20:20] <keithzg[m]> sarnold: Tried checking `dmesg` when the i/o lockups were happening today, alas the only lines were ones generated by me running `perf top`. The mystery continues . . .
[20:31] <rangergord> keithzg[m], could you use atop to record active resource consumption, and replay the history file afterwards?
[20:34] <keithzg[m]> rangergord: Can't say I'm too familiar with `atop` but I'm certainly willing to give it a try! Will a straight-up invocation of it, left running in a screen session, be sufficient? Or are there some options I should be using?
[20:36] <rangergord> I can't remember if it records to a file by default or not
[20:36] <rangergord> probably not. But I do remember replaying a recorded file using 'atop -someflag oldfile' and browsing the past interactively
[20:44] <keithzg[m]> rangergord: Looks like it's automatically logging to `/var/log/atop`
[20:46] <rangergord> cool, sorted then :)  it logs any process that used resources (CPU, disk...network but you need to set that up), so once the issue happens, you use the keyboard shortcuts to navigate in time to see what went wrong hopefully
[20:46] <rangergord> I haven't used it more than once, but I plan on using it on my systems when I have some free time to read the doc
[20:48] <keithzg[m]> Yeah I've always just made do with `top` and maybe `iotop`, with checking normal system logs to introspect in time instead of just the present moment. But my current problem sure seems to call for further measures! Thanks for the suggestion, rangergord :)
[20:48] <rangergord> yw


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