[01:30] <robru> Hey release team, does this change need an FFe? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-006-2-publish/81/artifact/libqtdbusmock_packaging_changes.diff/*view*/ it technically adds new features but they're only used for testing as far as I can tell, shouldn't affect the image really
[01:32] <infinity> robru: I wonder what "futher" is.
[01:33] <robru> infinity: new NSA spying tools surely.
[01:34] <infinity> robru: Anyhow, that sure likes like features to me, but without seeing the actual diff, who can say how invasive it is.
[01:35] <robru> infinity: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-006-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/libqtdbusmock_content.diff/*view*/ here's the full diff
[01:35] <infinity> robru: THat said, I assume from the package name that the whole thing is just a mocking tool, so if things that use it for tests don't all regress, it's probably fine.
[01:35] <robru> infinity: that's what I was thinking
[01:36] <infinity> robru: So, the output of "reverse-depends -b src:libqtdbusmock" is rather short.
[01:36] <infinity> robru: If there's any concern at all, copy all of those into the same silo, see if they build and pass their testsuites, then delete them before you publish.
[01:36] <robru> infinity: looks right to me (although I'm not intimiately familiar). it is a newish tool
[01:37] <robru> infinity: define concern? is it not ok to just publish this and let the regular proposed-migration decide whether it regresses or not?
[01:37] <infinity> robru: p-m won't notice this sort of regression, unless all those rdeps happen to have autopkgtests that rebuild the packages and rerun the testsuites.  Which they might, but might not.
[01:38] <infinity> robru: I dunno, I'm not hugely concerned.  It's the same upstreams (more or less) for all of this, so if they broke their own testing tool, they'll find out soon enough. :P
[01:38] <robru> infinity: well indicator-network is already part of the same silo and it passed the build & also went through qa already
[01:39] <infinity> robru: Did it pull in the new libqtdbusmock when it built, though?
[01:39] <robru> infinity: hm, let me check that...
[01:39]  * infinity looks for a build log.
[01:40] <infinity> Yup, it did.
[01:40] <infinity> That satisfies me, then.
[01:40] <robru> infinity: yeah just grabbed the buildlog myself, looks legit
[01:40] <infinity> No further FFe faff needed, let 'er go.
[01:40] <robru> infinity: ok thanks
[03:06] <robru> infinity: seems libqtdbusmock got stuck in UNAPPROVED, can you poke that through? thx
[03:53] <infinity> robru: Was planning on it, just went out for a burger. :P
[03:59] <robru> infinity: ah, thanks
[15:19] <smoser> can i get someone to take a look at taht ^
[15:19] <smoser> didrocks, are you able ?
[15:20] <ogra_> no, he is french
[15:20] <ogra_> :P
[15:58] <didrocks> smoser: I'm not in the release team, so I technically can, but can't :p
[16:01] <smoser> i didn't know if you were on release team.
[16:02] <smoser> so ogra_, it wasn't *just* because he's was french.
[16:02]  * smoser works on his english :)
[16:03] <didrocks> ahah
[16:29] <smoser> pretty please, can someone on the release team ack that for me ? the bug has hopefully reasonable description of why the fix is ok.


[01:01] <Nineain> m4v: uooohhooo  uoooohhoo oo oo baby, baby, baby   ooohh...
[08:16] <edson> Lubuntu does not use all of my RAM. I have 2GB RAM but only 991mb is used. Anyone?
[08:20] <bioterror> use command: free -m
[08:20] <bioterror> it will tell you the truth
[08:21] <edson> Thanks.
[08:22] <bioterror> you probably saw that rest of the RAM is probably cached/buffered
[08:29] <edson> I think I might have to restate my question
[08:29] <edson>  According to my Task Manager, Memory: 382 MB of 991 MB used. I was hoping for 382 MB of 2000 MB used?
[08:29] <edson> http://pastebin.com/uhrB0XQF
[08:29] <bioterror> does your BIOS see your 2GB of RAM?
[08:31] <edson> I think so. If my Windows shows 2GB then Bios must be able to see it.
[14:51] <jussi> so, how does one enable autologin?
[14:54] <Unit193> jussi: Take a look at /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[14:54] <jussi> Unit193: there isnt a "GUI" way?  only manipulating conf files?
[14:55] <Unit193> Well, that's the only way I know of currently, but that may change with LightDM (As long as we switch this cycle)
[14:56] <jussi> ok
[14:59] <jussi> Unit193: done, at least the file is nicely commented. (although perhaps you should consider making the default somethign other than "dgod")
[15:00] <Unit193> Heh, that it is.
[15:00] <Unit193> Now just reboot and see what happens
[15:05] <jussi> it worked ;)
[15:06] <Unit193> There is also the FAQ for the Lubuntu section (But we may have to change a few things)
[15:58] <davyde> hi!! can you explain me how to remove the lxde network manager to start nm-applet? now nm-applet do nothing in my pc
[15:59] <holstein> it might be that wanting to remove the LXDE one will want to take lubuntu-desktop with it
[15:59] <holstein> i would probably try just searching for them in synaptic
[16:13] <me-1> hi...is lubuntu official ubuntu now..?
[17:53] <jay112> Hi everyone does anybody no how to put the trash can on the desktop in lubuntu11.10 ive tried the various methods from the lxde forums but they dont work
[17:55] <Unit193> What's wrong with http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?p=5680&sid=1f7063d93bf9b05b2f74342137909f43#p5680 ?
[17:56] <jay112> ive tried the second method useing run but it doesnt work
[18:03] <Unit193> Just tried it, as I thought, there isn't anything wrong with using that desktop file
[20:44] <davyde> if network manager is not working who is running my network??
[20:51] <bioterror> probably network ceo


[05:14] <adamant1988> hello all
[05:25] <nixternal> bah
[05:26] <adamant1988> my sentiments exactly
[05:26] <adamant1988> 11 1/2 hour work day
[09:18] <adamant1988> hello all.
[09:18] <Madpilot> hi
[09:18] <adamant1988> *sigh* I have to shop for a new computer me thinks.
[09:19] <Madpilot> fun
[09:19] <adamant1988> yeah, I don't want to get one from some place that preinstalls windows though
[09:19] <adamant1988> I want to make sure my new computer is linux compatible
[09:19] <Madpilot> buy parts, assemble your own
[09:20] <adamant1988> takes too long
[09:20] <Madpilot> only way to buy a desktop, I think
[09:20] <adamant1988> no computer stores near by.
[09:20] <Madpilot> mail order is good, take an afternoon to assemble the beast, install Ubuntu on it in less than an hour, done.
[09:20] <adamant1988> i'm thinking i might do system76 and get myself a nice ubuntu system preinstalled =\
[09:21] <adamant1988> but I'm also looking at linspire.
[09:22] <Madpilot> system76 boxes look nice, actually
[09:23] <Madpilot> you looking for desktop or lappie?
[09:23] <darkmatter_> adamant1988, it takes less than an hour to build a box if you've got the time...
[09:23] <adamant1988> a desktop, something with enough power to run XGL
[09:23] <adamant1988> I'll probably end up dual booting two linux distros on it
[09:24] <adamant1988> I'm thinking it'll be any combo of Ubuntu, Suse, and Freespire/Linspire
[09:24] <Madpilot> any of those System76 boxes should handle XGL, I think
[09:25] <adamant1988> Yeah, I imagine.
[09:25] <adamant1988> I used Kororaa on disk
[09:25] <adamant1988> XGL makes a world of difference in the interface.
[09:25] <adamant1988> It's suprising how much of a difference a nice clean look and a snappy gui effect set can do to enhance the experience.
[09:27] <adamant1988> Yeah right now I'm *seriousl* looking at linspire and Ubuntu... both are great IMO... I would say SLED but I think waiting 20 minutes for opera to install from .rpm was enough.
[09:31] <Madpilot> ouch
[09:31] <Madpilot> Ubuntu has Opera in repos now :)
[09:32] <adamant1988> yeah
[09:32] <adamant1988> CNR is the main thing that would have me looking at Linspire
[09:33] <adamant1988> CNR is amazing, it's a little less up to date, but the fact that I can get all the best commercial aps through it says something
[09:33] <adamant1988> including legal dvd playing
[09:38] <adamant1988> I have to test freespires online now... I'll be back momentarily if it works...
[09:42] <adamant1988> well everything appears to be working in this neck of the woods
[09:44] <darkmatter_> running freespire are we??? :P
[09:45] <adamant1988> yep :P
[09:45] <adamant1988> I'm not beyond giving it a shot... I'm a selfish user. As long as something meets my needs I'm happy with it
[09:47] <darkmatter_> lol
[09:47] <darkmatter_> most are that way..
[09:47] <darkmatter_> me.. I'm being the usual me
[09:48] <darkmatter_> currently compiling glscube for a test drive
[09:48] <darkmatter_> :)
[09:48] <adamant1988> haha, I agree with the open source morals and all, but truth be told I like my user friendly apps and interfaces
[09:48] <adamant1988> Oh you HAVE to tell me how GLScube is
[09:48] <adamant1988> I'm very interested in that project.
[09:49] <darkmatter_> lets see.... hmmm... only about 22% of my uby is 'factory'... I'm slipping :P
[09:49] <darkmatter_> I'll tell youy in a bit
[09:49] <darkmatter_> my last dapper install was 8% factory approx
[09:49] <darkmatter_> the rest was all custom builds
[09:50] <adamant1988> haha
[09:50] <darkmatter_> how I hated reinstalling the official release
[09:50] <darkmatter_> I almost cried
[09:50] <adamant1988>  I usually don't mess with stuff from factory conditions much
[09:50] <darkmatter_> all that work.. poof... except for a few debs
[09:50] <adamant1988> unless there is an obviously great benefit for doing it
[09:51] <darkmatter_> so now I'm just going to not do as much updating until I toss my new hardware in
[09:51] <adamant1988> anywho I'm going to go to bed, I' worked 11 1/2 hours today... littttttttle tired.
[09:51] <adamant1988> keep me posted on how the GLScube thing goes, and if it makes life any easier.
[09:51] <adamant1988> :)
[09:52] <darkmatter_> me... I just have this nast addiction to do it yourself software... been using puers waaayyy tro long I guess
[09:52] <adamant1988> gnight
[09:52] <darkmatter_> ok
[09:52] <darkmatter_> night
[12:54] (jenda/#ubuntu-marketing) Should be OK now.
[12:54] (bimberi/#ubuntu-marketing) :)
[12:55] (jenda/#ubuntu-marketing) bimberi: check your LP homepage...
[12:56] <bimberi> lol, onya jenda!
[12:56] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:56] <jenda> I'm awaiting a public stoning for that one.
[12:56] <bimberi> ha, just blame me, i can take it
[12:57] <jenda> I wonder... we'll see how others take it, and if it's bad, I'll pullback :)
[01:00] <bimberi> sure, it was posted on the list and got a couple of 'lol' reactions
[01:00] <bimberi> i'm sure the rest thought, "gawd, what's he on?"
[01:01] <mindspin> yup
[01:01] <bimberi> hehe
[01:01] <bimberi> btw, the arrow 'swoosh' from adamant1988's effort could be a nice alternative
[01:08] <jenda> bimberi: linky?
[01:10] <bimberi> http://www.tikal26.net/ubuntu/logomockup.svg
[01:10] <jenda> ah :)
[01:11] <jenda> you can't see it at the right size.
[01:11] <jenda> But a simple brown globe might be a great emblem
[01:12] <MenZa> I like the idea...
[01:23] <jenda> MenZa, bimberi, check now and tell me which you like more
[01:23] <jenda> + mindspin :)
[01:24] <MenZa> Check what?
[01:25] <mindspin> I like the logo with the arrow very much
[01:25] <MenZa> I don't know.
[01:25] <jenda> LP homepage
[01:25] <MenZa> It's not following the same style as the rest of the logo.
[01:26] <jenda> mindspin: you can't see the arrow in LP - it's only 16*16
[01:26] <jenda> MenZa: that means change colors?
[01:26] <MenZa> jenda: no, the overall style.
[01:26] <jenda> what is the overall style?
[01:26] <MenZa> Could be the glossy bit, could be that outline of the arrow.
[01:26] <jenda> dunno whatcha mean
[01:26] <MenZa> I don't know, but it looks wrong.
[01:26] <jenda> I'm not talking about the arrow
[01:26] <jenda> check you LP homepage.
[01:26] <MenZa> LaunchPad, right.
[01:26] <jenda> The arrow can't be used, because it can't be seen.
[01:26] <MenZa> sec
[01:27] <mindspin> ah, got you but the image looks slightly invisible for me
[01:27] <jenda> I know. I don't know how to change the colors in svg, so I'll hack it in the gimp
[01:27] <MenZa> jenda: use Inkscape.
[01:27] <jenda> No, there are too many objects.
[01:28] <MenZa> Right click an object and use Stroke / Fill or something.
[01:28] <MenZa> I've manipulated Tango icons, trust me.
[01:28] <MenZa> Any number of paths are okay.
[01:28] <jenda> It's impossible. Too many objects to right click.
[01:29] <jenda> You can try, I'll bazaar the globe.
[01:29] <jenda> no, I gotta go now.
[01:29] <jenda> I'll be back in 6 hrs or so.
[01:30] <MenZa> jenda: I'm not on Ubuntu.
[01:30] <MenZa> :P
[01:38] <jenda> MenZa: will you be later tonight?
[01:38] <MenZa> jenda: most likely not.
[01:39] <MenZa> I only have it on my laptop.
[01:39] <MenZa> ;P
[01:40] <jenda> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/
[01:40] <jenda> there you go
[01:40] <jenda> god bless the docteam ;)
[01:40] <jenda> Bye!
[04:24] <nixternal> mornin'
[04:32] <MenZa> hai.
[06:22] <adamant1988_> hello all
[08:49] <n3storm> hi everyone
[08:49] <jenda> aloha all
[08:49] <jenda> hey n3storm
[08:50] <nixternal> well hello
[08:50] <n3storm> I have some graphic ideas to spread ubuntu
[08:50] <jenda> great :)
[08:51] <jenda> fire at us
[08:51] <n3storm> I think is time to mix someway the 4 or 5 ubuntu flavours in one
[08:51] <n3storm> ubuntu+kubuntu+xubuntu+edubuntu
[08:52] <jenda> I think 'Ubuntu' does that pretty well... in my eyes the communities are one - Ubuntu.
[08:52] <n3storm> in the ubuntu logo we have 3 forms representing people
[08:53] <n3storm> let me explain the idea
[08:53] <jenda> OK, the UWN has the three mixed together as a logo.
[08:53] <n3storm> is just for tue ubuntu spread
[08:54] <n3storm> what is UWN?
[08:57] <nixternal> ubuntu weekly newsletter
[08:59] <n3storm> I can't see the logo anywhere
[08:59] <n3storm> somebody can point me out the exact url?
[09:03] <jenda> n3storm: look at mgalvin's launchpad page
[09:03] <n3storm> ok
[09:05] <n3storm> Im there
[09:05] <n3storm> you mean the small icon at karma?
[09:05] <jenda> yes
[09:05] <n3storm> yes, I was proposing something like that
[09:05] <jenda> I'm not sure if they use it elsewhere.
[09:05] <n3storm> but applying to the full image of the spread-ubuntu page
[09:07] <jenda> n3storm: do you have a preview somewhere?
[09:07] <jenda> by any chance
[09:07] <n3storm> no
[09:07] <jenda> OK
[09:07] <n3storm> I prefered to check with the people in case I can join
[09:07] <jenda> Well, my personal opinion is that we should keep the ubuntu breath to it.
[09:07] <n3storm> sure
[09:07] <jenda> n3storm: you can always join :)
[09:07] <MenZa> o_o
[09:07] <n3storm> but the blue and blue-gray touches of color
[09:07] <jenda> It's open to designs and ideas
[09:08] <n3storm> I'll make a draft
[09:13] <jenda> great :)
[09:13] <jenda> be sure to mail me the sources to bzr them - or bzr them yourself if you know how.
[09:28] <n3storm> what is your address?
[09:28] <jenda> @ubuntu.com
[09:28] <n3storm> or should I make it in my server
[09:28] <n3storm> ok, thanks
[09:29] <n3storm> jenda: do you have any proposal for the website?
[09:29] <jenda> n3storm: what do you mean?
[09:30] <jenda> There are several so far, have a look here:
[09:30] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu/GraphicalDesignSpec
[09:30] <n3storm> I mean you ;)
[09:30] <n3storm> yes Im there
[09:32] <jenda> Oh OK :)
[09:32] <jenda> I made the last three in the list
[09:53] <n3storm> jenda: ooops
[09:53] <n3storm> I just read about the 12 of july as the deadline
[09:54] <n3storm> I am about to send you my draft in case everybody likes it, can take ideas, etc
[09:54] <n3storm> the svg file
[09:54] <n3storm> should I do it?
[09:56] <n3storm> well
[09:56] <n3storm> I'll try
[09:56] <n3storm> :)
[10:09] <n3storm> jenda: mail sent
[10:14] <jenda> n3storm: forget the deadline :)
[10:14] <jenda> Thanks
[10:16] <jenda> n3storm: Bazaared :)
[10:21] <jenda> How do you guys like the emblem now?
[11:04] <n3storm> jenda: thanks!
[11:04] <jenda> np
[11:04] <jenda> :)
[11:06] <n3storm> I will register at the forums and so
[11:06] <n3storm> but now is late and tomorrow I have a travel
[11:06] <n3storm> see ya
[11:06] <n3storm> you can always find me at kubuntu


[08:41]  * smb initiates the yawning sequence
[08:52] <ppisati> smb: you are not supposed to yawn, go back o your bed
[08:52] <ppisati> *to
[08:53] <smb> ppisati, Its late enough for me to yawn. ;-P Good morning
[09:39]  * cking now yawns
[09:59]  * cking does a clean install, back later
[10:32] <infinity> cking: Any interest in hanging out with humans for release sprinty things, or would you prefer not?
[10:33] <cking> infinity, i'd prefer not, I think if any iso testing is required I have loads of kit at home so its more productive if I'm in my office
[10:33] <infinity> cking: So, on the one hand, ECHAN, on the other hand, alright, thought I'd ask. :)
[10:34] <cking> thanks for asking, it's always good to be at the release sprint, but in the past i've always found I've needed kit that I can't bring into the office
[10:36] <infinity> cking: Right.  Well, pop in for finger sandwiches later. :P
[10:36] <infinity> (Made with real fingers)
[10:36] <cking> yeah, I'll try and do that, cant' miss the fingers
[13:06] <Kano> hi, do you update the unstable branch soon?
[15:07] <jsalisbury> **
[15:07] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:07] <jsalisbury> **
[16:06] <arges> jsalisbury: hey
[16:06] <jsalisbury> arges, o/
[16:07] <arges> jsalisbury: bug 1283604 can I add it to teh list
[16:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1283604 in linux (Ubuntu) "WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 5517 at /build/buildd/linux-3.13.0/fs/sysfs/group.c:214 sysfs_remove_group+0xc6/0xd0()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283604
[16:07] <jsalisbury> arges, sure thing
[16:07] <arges> jsalisbury: i have a fix already for it btw
[16:07] <jsalisbury> arges, awesome
[16:07] <jsalisbury> arges, I can't hear anything on mumble, its all breaking up, so I may reboot
[16:08] <arges> jsalisbury: ok
[16:57] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:57] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[16:57] <jsalisbury> ##
[18:23] <rtg> dannf, how is 3.13.0-19.40 working for you ?
[18:49] <dannf> rtg: according to ikepanhc, quite well (he's done more testing than i)
[18:51] <rtg> dannf, ok, thats good to hear.
[18:51] <dannf> there are a couple more drivers we'd like to get in if we can get 'em tested in time (ipmi/xgene-gpio), but they may have to wait for an SRU proposal or 14.04.2
[18:52] <rtg> dannf, I can accommodate a new driver under SRU policy as long as there is no risk of regression to other subsystems.
[18:54] <dannf> understood
[18:55] <rtg> dannf, unless that happens this week, though, it ain't gonna make it until after release
[18:57] <dannf> rtg: also understood :) luckily these drivers aren't installtime requirements, so hopefully we can install w/ 14.04 and upgrade to a kernel w/ that support
[18:57] <dannf> should they be SRU'able
[18:57] <rtg> that works for me
[18:58] <dannf> rtg: 19.40 is the one from last week right - there hasn't been a second upload supporting x-gene correct?
[18:58] <dannf> wondering if we've been testin gthe latest
[18:58] <rtg> 19.40 is current
[19:01] <dannf> rtg: oh sweet - that has the udeb fix. time for me to start hacking on d-i :)
[19:03] <rtg> dannf, right, that spelling change was about the last fix I had for x-gene (that I knew of)
[19:03] <dannf> yep, that's all we have for you atm
[19:03] <ParkerR> Have their been any plans on an updated kernel for the Nexus 7? The latest even in trusty in 3.1 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/armhf/linux-image-grouper
[19:03] <ParkerR> *is
[19:05] <rtg> ParkerR, all of the touch kernels are ging to stay at their Android release versions. Grouper will forever be 3.1
[19:06] <ParkerR> D:
[19:07] <ParkerR> I've been attempting a compile on my own but the 8MMB boot partition limit is kinda annoying
[19:07] <ParkerR> *8MB
[19:08] <ParkerR> rtg, Thaks for the response.
[19:08] <ParkerR> *Thsnks. I swear I can't type today
[19:08] <rtg> gotta love embedded systems
[19:08] <ParkerR> I give up :|
[19:09] <ParkerR> Mainly I've been compiling to get DRM_TEGRA. Plus the kernel has had many ARM improvments since 3.1. Oh well, I'll continue on this adventure.
[19:13] <rtg> arges, is bug #1297307 a duplicate of bug #1283604 ?
[19:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297307 in linux (Ubuntu) "sysfs group <address> not found for kobject 'target6:0:0'" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297307
[19:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1283604 in linux (Ubuntu Trusty) "WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 5517 at /build/buildd/linux-3.13.0/fs/sysfs/group.c:214 sysfs_remove_group+0xc6/0xd0()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1283604
[19:17] <arges> rtg: i filed 1297307 and marked it a dup of 1283604
[19:17] <arges> i filed it first, then found the duplicate later
[19:17] <rtg> arges, ok, I was just catching up on my bug mail backlog
[19:18] <arges> rtg: i guess i didn't mark it as a dup... oh well thought i did ... fixing it
[19:18] <rtg> there is sure a slew of resume bug reports
[20:05] <rtg> sforshee, why is bug #1297370 invalid ?
[20:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297370 in linux (Ubuntu) "iwlwifi firmware error: 0x00000038 | BAD_COMMAND" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297370
[20:05] <sforshee> rtg: because I triggered it by writing to a sysfs file whose sole purpose is to create that error
[20:06] <sforshee> rtg: those bugs are just me testing some changes to apport to collect the real firmware crash bugs
[20:06] <rtg> sforshee, ah