[02:06] <mup> PR snapd#12929 opened: tests: adding spread support for ubuntu mantic <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12929>
[07:02] <mup> PR snapd#12930 opened: boot,o/restart: simplify RebootInfo structure <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12930>
[09:48] <mup> PR snapd#12892 closed: aspects: add transactions to aspects <Needs Documentation -auto-> <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12892>
[12:59] <mup> PR snapd#12931 opened: tests: enable opensuse leap 15.5 for spread tests <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12931>
[14:16] <mup> PR snapcraft#4241 opened: Hotfix/7.5 gpg multi keys <Created by tigarmo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4241>
[14:29] <mup> PR snapd#12932 opened: gadget/update: use partitions matched by EnsureVolumeCompatibility <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12932>
[15:00] <mup> PR snapd#12906 closed: many: move SnapConfineAppArmorDir from dirs to sandbox/apparmor <Squash-merge> <cherry-picked> <Created by alexmurray> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12906>
[16:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#4242 opened: extension: remove extra kde-neon build envvars <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4242>
[17:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#4243 opened: type: workaround for pyright bug <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4243>
[20:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#4244 opened: requirements: update craft-providers to 1.10.1 <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4244>
[21:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#4245 opened: 7.5 list keys <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4245>
[21:57] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4246 opened: Reported error message building base: core18 with newer snapcrafts is wrong <Bug> <Created by dilyn-corner> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4246>
[22:18] <syphyr>  When I initially start firefox (from snap), I get the following apparmor denial, but only on the first start: apparmor="DENIED" operation="capable" profile="/snap/core/15419/usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine" pid=3057 comm="snap-confine" capability=4  capname="fsetid"
[22:19] <syphyr>  I added "capability fsetid," to /var/lib/snapd/apparmor/profiles/snap-confine.core.15419 and the issue went away
[22:19] <syphyr> is this a bug in snap's core?
[22:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#4243 closed: type: workaround for pyright bug <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4243>
[23:03] <ogra> syphyr, it is a false positive ... IIRC there is also a bug open for it (no idea abou the # though)
[23:04] <syphyr> thanks
[23:04] <ogra> syphyr, it comes from snapd/snappy-confine itself
[23:04] <ogra> (not related to any snap9
[23:05] <syphyr> maybe thats why the denial is only displayed on the initial run
[23:05] <ogra> yeah
[23:06] <syphyr> ok
[23:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#4248 opened: spread: separate legacy tests <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4248>


[01:52] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: you around?
[01:53] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!! hi
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[01:53] <Jucato> good think kmail doesn't have a groin :P
[01:53] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: how about kmail?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: encryption, in particular
[01:54] <Hobbsee> If you have the crypt USE flag set, KMail will be compiled with gpg support, and will be able to encrypt and decrypt inline PGP mails automatically as well as encrypting OpenPGP/MIME mails. If you want to decrypt OpenPGP/MIME mails as well (which you probably want) you need to have a running GPG agent (see Using a GPG Agent).
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hrm...i wonder if that's set...
[01:56] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: USE flag? you mean gentoo
[01:56] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: that is from a gentoo howto, yeah.
[01:57] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: pssst I'm lurking :D
[01:58] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: I'm ok with kmail, only besides the speed  :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: i wish to pick your brains about kmail, and how to get it to work in kubuntu, with signing/encrypting.
[01:59] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: I can use signing/encrypting in kubuntu
[02:00] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: gpg and kmail work fine together over here :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> right....
[02:00] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: I just wish I could store the passphrase ;)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: use a gpg agent
[02:00] <Hobbsee> which kde?
[02:01] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: 3.5.5 on edgy
[02:01] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: I mean I wish kwallet could store the passphrase
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hrm....
[02:01] <Hobbsee> wonder why it doesnt work here.
[02:01] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: you're on edgy I suppose?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: feisty
[02:02] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: lol I can't help you for that :D
[02:03] <Hobbsee> so it seems ;(
[02:03] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: since Dapper I use a little script to start gpg-agent at the beginning of every session (because gpg wouldnt work without it)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:04] <Zerlinna> #!/bin/bash
[02:04] <Zerlinna> eval "$(gpg-agent --daemon)"
[02:04] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:04] <Zerlinna> saved it as .kde/env/gpgagent.sh
[02:05] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: http://zerlinna.blogweb.de/archives/61-Get-GPG-Decryption-working-within-Kmail.html ;)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: yeah...that's where i saw that you were good with it from
[02:06] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: I'm not really good in.. I just had this problem and put together all useful information I could find at the net :)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> OK.
[02:10] <allee> hi, seen with their repos apache access.log  like: ... "GET http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/dapper/./Packages.bz2 HTTP/1.1" 403 ...  Usually apache logs only the path part of the URL.  I've no idea why _some_ apt-get make apache2 think to use the full URL, instead of  only the local path.
[02:53] <bddebian> Heya
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian!
[02:54] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[02:55] <Jucato> bddebian: boo!
[02:55] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[05:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: should I send you the mega patch I've made for the doc-linux-html package along with the volunteer hour log when I'm done writing/making it? (So far I'm at three hours, and half done)
[05:28] <Riddell> ryanakca: what is doc-linux-html?
[05:29] <ryanakca> It's the package containing most of the howtos from tldp... it's synced from debian... just a sec, I'll get you the bug numbers I'm working on...
[05:30] <ryanakca> bugs 76312, 76313, 76315, 76320
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76312 in doc-linux "doc-linux-html includes files that automatically open pages online" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76312
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76313 in doc-linux "Distributions-HOWTO is generally broken" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76313
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76315 in doc-linux "Some -HOWTOs have been removed" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76315
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76320 in doc-linux "doc-linux-html is messy and inconsistent" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76320
[05:35] <Riddell> sure, I can look at that
[05:36] <Jucato> wow... never knew there were was such a package... :(
[05:38] <ryanakca> lol
[05:38] <ryanakca> Jucato: I'm starting to regret volunteering myself to fix it ;D
[05:39] <Jucato> :P
[05:39] <ryanakca> It's huge... and really messy... and doing the same task over and over again gets tedious... I tried writing a python script to automate it... but oh well... let's just say... It was a fluke
[05:40] <Jucato> well, it's bound to be huge...tldp docs... :)
[05:41] <ryanakca> lol
[06:19] <toma> motu around for approval of bug 77711 ?
[06:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77711 in mailody "Please sync 0.3.0-1 with Debian experimental" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77711
[06:29] <Riddell> toma: done, you need to subscribe ubuntu-archive
[06:29] <toma> Riddell: thnxs
[06:35] <toma> Riddell: digikam in debian unstable will downgraded to 0.8.4, with increased epoch. Will it be autosynced to feisty ? (as in: we dont want that to happen)
[06:36] <toma> Riddell: nm, ubuntu has deviated
[06:38] <Riddell> why did they downgrade?
[06:38] <toma> Riddell: for the release they want stability.
[06:38] <toma> Riddell: the alternative was to bump exiv2 to 0.12
[06:39] <Riddell> ah, right
[06:39] <toma> Riddell: but they did not want a transition
[06:39] <Riddell> no, quite right
[06:40] <toma> hmm, allmost all upstream authors of all dependencies and of exiv2 said 0.12 was the prefered solution
[06:41] <toma> so, i'm not so happy with it, but i respect the release dudes
[07:47] <jjesse> afternoon
[08:29] <manchicken> Hey all.
[08:30] <manchicken> Anybody know how to globally edit the K menu?
[08:30] <manchicken> I'm trying to get some lisp scripts set up to launch me into my feistydev chroot... wanted a one-click solution.
[08:32] <Riddell> manchicken: that's a #kubuntu question (but make a .desktop file based on one in /usr/share/applications/kde/)
[08:33] <manchicken> Riddell: Eh, I tried there.  No luck.
[08:33] <manchicken> I've been on google, in help docs, #kubuntu, all without any luck.
[08:33] <manchicken> Almost an hour trying to find out how to do something so trivial.
[08:33] <manchicken> And I still have no idea.
[08:34] <manchicken> I just can't believe I've never had to do this before...
[08:35] <nixternal> heh, i was going nuts trying to create one to reinitiate my wifi after turning it off via the wifi button (damn ndiswrapper)
[08:35] <manchicken> btw, have you seen tonio lately?
[08:35] <manchicken> I need to bother him about some patch failure issues.
[08:36] <nixternal> i haven't seen anyone lately. i have been hibernating trying to get rid of the flue/cold/bird flue/madcow all at once i think
[08:37] <manchicken> heh
[08:37] <manchicken> Oh well.  I guess I'll just make desktop icons and force them onto desktops.
[08:38] <Riddell> I did just give you the answer...
[08:38] <nixternal> .desktop is the way to go
[08:38] <nixternal> hiya Riddell, happy new year btw!
[08:38] <Riddell> happy new year nixternal
[08:43] <manchicken> Crap, you did just give me the answer.
[08:43] <manchicken> ^_^
[08:44] <manchicken> Okay, I've gotta boogie.
[08:44] <manchicken> Hopefully I can hit up tonio for some answers.
[08:44] <manchicken> Later.
[09:06] <mhb> hi everyone! (home at last)
[09:06] <Riddell> hi mhb, happy new year
[09:10] <mhb> Riddell: to you too
[09:11] <Riddell> and jjesse too
[09:11] <jjesse> thansk Riddell and u 12
[12:11] <goldenear> happy new year everybody !
[12:12] <goldenear> and the first good news of the year : http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/31/1950225&from=rss
[12:12] <goldenear> that's such a shame :(
[12:14] <Riddell> yes, they're a bit evil like that
[12:14] <Riddell> I "signed" the petition anyway
[12:14] <goldenear> me too, I hope it will help...
[12:14] <nixternal> hrmm. funny thing, i was doing Lures laptop keys page, and prior my play/pause, stop, forward, and reverse keys hadn't worked, and now a few weeks later, they work :)
[12:15] <nixternal> i would love to find out how to figure out my wifi button, so when i press it to turn it back on, i can have it call my script
[12:15] <goldenear> any public administration should use open standards


[04:57] <superfly> Morning mazal
[04:58] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos good morning
[04:58] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:03] <mazal> Morning superfly
[05:09] <superfly> Anyone have any tips on stopping a shaving cut from bleeding?
[05:09] <inetpro> superfly: stop shaving
[05:10] <inetpro> good morning
[05:11] <superfly> inetpro: thanks, I'll file that under, "prevention"
[05:11] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos Guten Morgen
[05:11] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:11] <inetpro> lol
[05:11] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro and others
[05:11] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell kilos Guten Morgen" 7 seconds ago
[05:11] <inetpro> sjoe
[05:11] <superfly> Kilos: have any tips on stopping a shaving cut from bleeding?
[05:11] <Kilos> hehe
[05:11] <inetpro> Kilos: you are late
[05:12] <inetpro> Kilos: he needs your help
[05:12] <inetpro> now
[05:12] <Kilos> ya been watching ddrescue go through its paces so slowly
[05:12] <Kilos> staal druppels
[05:12] <inetpro> sjoe
[05:12] <Kilos> lennons products
[05:13]  * inetpro wonders whether he would have that
[05:13] <inetpro> superfly: is it really that bad?
[05:13] <superfly> inetpro: no, just incessant
[05:13] <superfly> it has been bleeding for the last hour
[05:13] <inetpro> wow!
[05:14] <Kilos> wow
[05:14] <Kilos> stick a plaster over it
[05:14] <superfly> Kilos: het nie een nie
[05:14] <Kilos> ai
[05:14] <inetpro> yikes
[05:14] <Kilos> toilet paperr
[05:15] <inetpro> Kilos: with kids in the house you better get yourself some plaster, please
[05:15] <Kilos> me?
[05:15] <inetpro> oops
[05:15] <superfly> i've got a tissue, busy using it every few minutes (or seconds)
[05:15] <Kilos> i got lotsa plaster
[05:15] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[05:15] <superfly> Hehehe
[05:16] <superfly> Kilos: not that kind of plaster... Bandaids
[05:16] <inetpro> superfly: swedish bitters
[05:16] <Kilos> superfly, just put a small double piece of toilet paper there and hold it
[05:17] <Kilos> ya bandaids elastoplast them sticky things
[05:18] <Kilos> then make the paper patch black with a cokey pen and tell peeps you trying to see what you will look like with a black beard but trying only in a small place to see
[05:18] <Kilos> hehe
[05:19] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[05:19] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[05:19] <Kilos> hi mazal
[05:19] <superfly> hi barrydk
[05:19] <superfly> barrydk: lemme guess, you use Afrihost as your ISP?
[05:21] <superfly> Kilos: thanks, looks like keeping the tissue pressed against my lip has worked
[05:21] <Kilos> mtnbusiness i see. what you looking at fly?
[05:21] <barrydk> wrong superfly it is access
[05:21] <Kilos> yay
[05:21] <superfly> barrydk: that was my second guess
[05:22] <superfly> barrydk: I use them too, but Afrihost is more popular
[05:23] <barrydk> ok didnt know and dont realy care as long as it is working.
[05:23] <mazal> Why is Afrihost better superfly ?
[05:23] <barrydk> What made you think that
[05:24] <Kilos> best internet connection is one that works ya
[05:24] <mazal> hehehehe
[05:25] <barrydk> Here in our part of the world beggers cant be choosers the choices arent wide
[05:26] <superfly> mazal: it isn't - I said it was more *popular*
[05:26] <mazal> Ah ok , thought you had some info that I need on that one :)
[05:27] <mazal> Always looking for something better if there is
[05:27] <superfly> barrydk: Axxess is owned by Afrihost, and Afrihost got MTN to build them a nationwide network. So Axxess got to benefit from that.
[05:28] <superfly> mazal: in my experience, Axxess is that.
[05:28] <barrydk> ok
[05:28] <barrydk> So actualy your first guess was correct
[05:29] <superfly> barrydk: so when you join the channel we can see which network you're joining from
[05:29] <superfly> and you joined from the mtnbusiness network - the new one made for Afrihost and Axxess
[05:30] <barrydk> ok interesting i would never have looked or think about that as i said it must only work
[05:32] <Kilos> hehe superfly is the cut on your lip?
[05:32] <Kilos> funny place to shave
[05:32] <Kilos> but easy to cover tissue paper then with lipstick
[05:33] <superfly> Kilos: well, maybe you can't grow a snor, but I don't wanna look like a bergie
[05:33] <Kilos> oh top lip
[05:33] <Kilos> hehe
[05:34] <superfly> i already did for movember
[05:37] <mazal> Can you guys explain something to be re that network adress
[05:37] <superfly> mazal: what do you want explained?
[05:37] <mazal><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:37] <mazal> That number is the ip yes ?
[05:37] <superfly> yes
[05:38] <mazal> Why do me and barry have the same one even though we working on different laptops
[05:38] <mazal> Should we have different ones ?
[05:39] <mazal> We are on the same router , butter different machines
[05:39] <superfly> anything else...?
[05:39] <superfly> Oh, looks like I'm lagging
[05:41] <superfly> mazal: there, you said it yourself
[05:41] <mazal> I thought each of our machines should have had a different ip. Or does the ISP give the one ip to the router ?
[05:41] <mazal> And then the router gives different dhcp ip's on the lan for our laptops ?
[05:42] <superfly> mazal: do you know the difference between an internal and an external IP address?
[05:42] <mazal> Nope , but I think I am learning that now
[05:43] <superfly> mazal: do you know what is so special about the <IP_ADDRESS> range?
[05:43] <mazal> That is my router's range on my lan
[05:44] <mazal> But other than that I dunno hat is special about the range
[05:44] <mazal> what even
[05:44] <superfly> no, not really. My lan uses <IP_ADDRESS>, and it is in that same /range/
[05:45] <superfly> mazal: I'm on my phone, you'll have to Google it for me.
[05:45] <mazal> The range ?
[05:45] <superfly> Yup
[05:48] <mazal> Hmm , very interesting. It's a class c private range not usable on the internet
[05:49] <mazal> So the router gives that range to the laptops on the lan for the lan network , but the isp then gives an external ip to the router for accessing internet if I start to get this correctly
[05:54] <barrydk> Superfly : So if i want to run a server at home that is accesable from outside i must ask my isp for a dedicated ip ad?
[06:02] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[06:09] <superfly> barrydk: you can, though that would be extremely expensive
[06:10] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[06:10] <barrydk> any ideas how much
[06:10] <superfly> nope, but that's not what I do
[06:10] <superfly> I use a dynamic dns service
[06:12] <mazal> You teaching us too many thing to play with this morning , we gonna break something lol
[06:13] <mazal> Gonna research that a bit , sounds interesting
[06:14] <barrydk> So you have one at home
[06:14] <superfly> barrydk: server?
[06:15] <barrydk> yip
[06:15] <superfly> I have 2
[06:15] <superfly> though one is mostly used as a router
[06:15] <barrydk> ok
[06:17] <mazal> Is there a specific one that you can recomend we research superfly ?
[06:17] <mazal> The dynamic dns service I mean
[06:26] <Kilos> http://www.techrepublic.com/downloads/setting-up-a-dynamic-dns-
[06:27] <Kilos> or you can watch a video
[06:27] <Kilos> http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Set_Up_Dynamic_DNS
[06:27] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np0VeQJwlI0
[06:28] <barrydk> Dankie oom Kilos nog speelgoed
[06:29] <Kilos> hehe
[06:29] <Kilos> always try google first them the fly will help you fix it after
[06:29] <Kilos> lotsa fun coming with ip addresses
[06:30] <barrydk> im bussy on google
[06:30] <mazal> We already seen a few that looks interesting. But will research it first
[06:30]  * mazal sien barry gaan sy server breek lol
[06:30] <Kilos> lol
[06:31] <Kilos> i did a direct cable connection with 2 pcs and no router
[06:31] <Kilos> whew what a job thawas
[06:31] <Kilos> that was
[06:33] <Kilos> mazal, barrydk ons het n afrikaanse kanaal ook #ubuntu-afr
[06:34] <Kilos> daar is mense hier wat nie kan volg nie
[06:35] <Kilos> hi drussell Hodgestar
[06:35] <barrydk> Soory forget when im getting excited and then Mazal fall in the trap.
[06:37] <Kilos> lol
[06:37] <barrydk> Did you use one pc for a router?
[06:38] <mazal> Oom Kilos do you mean you did that dymanic dns with the 2 pc's ?
[06:38] <Kilos> i dunno what i did but it worked eventually
[06:38] <Kilos> had the guys going for a while
[06:38] <Kilos> shared 3g on 2 pcs
[06:39] <mazal> We have been wanting our own server that is accessible on internet for a very long time
[06:40] <Squirm> morning
[06:40] <mazal> Morning Squirm
[06:40] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:40] <barrydk> Hi Squirm
[06:40] <Kilos> mazal, you got a spare pc for it?
[06:41] <Kilos> superfly, has a P2 as his one server
[06:41] <mazal> Kilos no , but barry does. He can be the guinea pig :P
[06:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:42] <mazal> And he has loads more patience than me
[06:42] <barrydk> i'm still here
[06:43] <mazal> lol
[06:44] <Kilos> download ubuntu-server edition
[06:45] <Kilos> just check its the 32bit version if the spare pc dont handle 64 bit
[06:45] <mazal> We already have that Kilo's. We have 3 ubuntu servers at work
[06:45] <Kilos> oh ya i forget . sorry
[06:45] <mazal> We built them for our file sharing and mysql databases for registers
[06:47] <mazal> That was a battle , but it was fun and learned a ton
[06:50] <superfly> I use afraid.org
[06:51] <superfly> if you want a permanent server on the internet, use a VPS
[07:00] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[07:01] <superfly> suddenly all quiet?
[07:02] <barrydk> Hey Sfly we can't chat and read google at the same time. You gave us a lot of homework this morning
[07:03] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <barrydk> and work in between
[07:09] <inetpro> superfly: ok it looks like we are out of luck
[07:09] <inetpro> see: http://en.gogloom.com/FreeNode/ubuntu-za/
[07:09] <inetpro> seems they have data for ubuntu-za only up to Feb 2011
[07:09] <inetpro> not sure why they stopped
[07:11] <inetpro> and I'm not sure how they collect the data in the first place
[07:14] <Kilos> oh my
[07:15] <mazal> Does Maaz have logs of the whole year ?
[07:16] <inetpro> magespawn: and previous logs of ubuntu-za where logged at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[07:16] <inetpro> sadly that's a dead link now
[07:19] <Kilos> inetpro, fix it
[07:19] <inetpro> ai
[07:19] <Kilos> or recruit peeps that can
[07:20] <mazal> inetpro, so you don't have any logs at all ?
[07:21] <inetpro> mazal: yes I have in a postgresql database through quassel
[07:21] <mazal> Isn't there maybe an app that can compile stats from the logs ?
[07:22] <mazal> Way back when I had a channel on govnet I used an app called mircstats to compile stats directly from the logs. Maybe there is something like that for linux ?
[07:23] <inetpro> that would probably still work on the logs at irclogs above
[07:26] <inetpro> so I guess somebody will have to pull those logs and generate some stats
[07:27] <inetpro> but a service used by drubin previously would have been nice and least effort
[07:27]  * inetpro is lazy
[07:28] <Kilos> nee man have some coffee inetpro and get going
[07:28] <inetpro> Kilos: when I have time I will look into it
[07:28] <Kilos> cool ty
[07:29] <inetpro> pulling the logs should be very easy with wget or curl
[07:29] <inetpro> actually curl would be best suited for that
[07:29] <superfly> inetpro: I have my quassel logs... but that'll be a pain to parse
[07:30] <inetpro> superfly: exactly
[07:30] <inetpro> but I'm wondering, perhaps canonical have automated ways already
[07:31] <inetpro> we just need to find out
[07:32] <superfly> inetpro: ping me again tonight at around 9, I'll see what I can do
[07:32] <inetpro> superfly: thanks
[07:33] <inetpro> btw, for those who don't know it, our discussions are logged by ubuntulog_
[07:33] <inetpro> ubuntulog_: you have a tail
[07:33] <barrydk> Don't know much about what youre talking about but say if me and Mazal can help with something
[07:34] <inetpro> ubuntulog_: help
[07:49]  * inetpro just found another service that seems to do these kind of stats, not sure how they do it
[07:49] <inetpro> http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23ubuntu-za&net=freenode
[07:49] <inetpro> only started now
[08:01] <superfly> !ubuntulog_
[08:01] <superfly> !help
[08:01] <superfly> it doesn't respond to much
[08:03] <inetpro> and that tail has been there for quite a while it seems
[08:03] <Kilos> hi Wraz welcome to ubuntu_za
[08:06] <Kilos> Plugin defined commands:
[08:06] <Kilos>
[08:06] <Kilos>    UNLOAD    LOAD      RELOADALL SOURCE    TCL
[08:06] <Kilos>    RELOADALL UNLOADALL PL_RELOAD RELOAD    UNLOAD
[08:06] <Kilos>    LOAD      UNLOAD    LOAD      PY        TIMER
[08:07] <Kilos> can only get it to reloadall
[08:07] <Kilos> Tcl plugin Rehashed
[08:09] <Kilos> if you pm ubuntulog_ then type in /help there lotsa commands
[08:09] <Kilos> dunno if thats from freenode
[08:12] <Kilos> afraid to play with them
[08:21] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:24] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm guessing but that could simply be xchat help
[08:25] <charl_> good morning!
[08:25] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[08:25]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:28] <barrydk> Superfly : What do you use to chat on your phone?
[08:28] <superfly> barrydk: In IRC? Quassel
[08:28] <superfly> well, Quassel2Go
[08:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:29] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:29] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[08:29] <barrydk> Is it a app?
[08:29] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:29] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:30] <Kilos> aw inetpro had hopes one of you could use them commands to get the log goodie active
[08:31] <superfly> barrydk: I would hope so, how else would it run?
[08:31] <barrydk> ok ok
[08:32] <barrydk> i only get quasseldroid beta on samsung apps
[08:33] <Kilos> barrydk, you can install quassel on ubuntu
[08:33] <Kilos> its in the repos
[08:34] <barrydk> i use xchat on ubuntu but want something for my phone
[08:34] <superfly> barrydk: I'm not using Android
[08:35]  * inetpro is happy with quasseldroid but don't use it that often
[08:35] <barrydk> ok i thought you did as i think you said earlyer you were on your phone
[08:35] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, I use QuasselDroid on my Kindle, and it works pretty well.
[08:35] <superfly> barrydk: I was.
[08:36] <superfly> barrydk: my phone doesn't run Android
[08:36] <barrydk> ok what do you use then Superfly
[08:36] <superfly> an N900
[08:36] <barrydk> ok
[08:36]  * superfly wants to see if he can upgrade to Sailfish
[08:37] <superfly> if/when it comes out
[08:37] <inetpro> what is sailfish?
[08:37] <barrydk> Was also wondering See fishingg boats sand
[08:37] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:37] <inetpro> Sailfish are two species of fish in the genus Istiophorus, living in warmer sections of all the oceans of the world.
[08:38] <superfly> Maaz: google for Jolla Sailfish
[08:38] <Maaz> superfly: "Jolla expects Sailfish SDK to reach developers in early Q1 2013" http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/04/jolla-expects-sailfish-sdk-to-reach-developers-in-q1-2013/ :: "Jolla Sailfish OS on GS3 - xda-developers" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34983792 :: "In Depth Overview of Jolla Sailfish UI | Jolla Users Blog"
[08:38] <Maaz> http://www.jollausers.com/2012/11/in-depth-overview-of-jolla-sailfish-ui/ :: "Jolla Confirms It Will Unveil Sailfish M…
[08:38] <barrydk> ya thought so Inetpro
[08:40] <barrydk> hmmm looks like a total different species
[09:16] <Kilos> hi Tonberry timkeller
[09:17] <Kilos> lo plustwo
[09:47] <Tonberry> o hi
[10:03] <inetpro> wb Tonberry
[10:03]  * Tonberry knik
[10:04] <inetpro> anyone wanting to get involved in Ubuntu development might find the following to be a useful guide
[10:04] <inetpro> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[11:26] <tumbleweed> inetpro: :)
[11:28] <inetpro> tumbleweed: you like that?
[11:28] <superfly> tumbleweed: looking good
[11:29] <tumbleweed> inetpro: yeah, I keep meaning to write some articles for it
[11:30] <tumbleweed> (oh, if you're in ZA, you might find the bzr based workflows too bandwidth intensive and slow, for many packages, compared to grabbing the source from a local mirror)
[11:32] <tumbleweed> inetpro: if you don't know where to start, I suggest https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative
[11:32] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I got that link from Daniel Holbach's message to ubuntu-devel-announce last night
[11:32] <tumbleweed> aha, I'm behind on my mail :)
[11:54] <mazal> Hi guys , barry is trying to setup quassel on his phone to enter here
[11:54] <mazal> But it doesn't want to take irc.ubuntu.com/8001
[11:54] <mazal> Is there a dufferent server and port one must use from a phone ?
[11:55] <tumbleweed> the traditional IRC port is 6667, not 8001
[11:55] <tumbleweed> but apparently freenode listens on 6665, 6666, 6667, 6697 (SSL only), 7000 (SSL only), 7070 (SSL only), 8000, 8001 and 8002
[11:56] <mazal> It keeps telling him "connection information not filled out properly"
[11:56] <mazal> This is on quassal
[11:57] <mazal> We enter the server and the port and the username
[11:57] <Kilos> jedirc
[11:57] <mazal> Tried both ports 8001 and 6667
[11:58] <Kilos> mazal, just try jedirc and if it works then go baǩ and try sort quassel
[11:58] <tumbleweed> check the other settings?
[11:58] <tumbleweed> e.g. nicknameetc.
[11:59] <Kilos> oh my sorry tumbleweed
[11:59] <mazal> There is no other settings
[11:59] <mazal> Servername , port and username
[12:00] <tumbleweed> you sure your phone  is online? :)
[12:00] <tumbleweed> sttill, that's an odd error for a conneciton failure
[12:01] <mazal> Ye he's getting email and fb
[12:01] <superfly> mazal: quassel is not a traditional IRC client
[12:01] <tumbleweed> oh, quassel. are you not supposed to point it at a quassel server?
[12:01] <superfly> mazal: QuasselDroid connects to your Quassel server
[12:02] <mazal> Ho we gonna find that adres ?
[12:02] <mazal> how even
[12:02] <superfly> mazal: you run your server
[12:03] <mazal> Run your own server ?
[12:03] <superfly> mazal: yes, you run your own Quassel server
[12:03] <mazal> Makes no sense
[12:03] <superfly> It makes perfect sense, Quassel is not a traditional IRC client
[12:04] <mazal> So what must one enter at the server ?
[12:04] <superfly> mazal: your Quassel server's details
[12:04] <mazal> And where do one find that ?
[12:04] <tumbleweed> you need to run one
[12:04] <tumbleweed> ideally on a server somewhere
[12:05] <superfly> like a VPS
[12:05] <mazal> Ie this can't be done
[12:05] <mazal> So what other way can one enter here from phone ?
[12:05] <mazal> webchat ?
[12:05] <tumbleweed> or any other IRC client for your phone
[12:05] <superfly> mazal: I think magespawn_ has messed with a few Android IRC clients
[12:05] <tumbleweed> quasseldroid isn't actually an IRC client, it talks to the quassel server, which is the IRC client
[12:06] <mazal> Ah ok , didn't know that
[12:06] <superfly> yeah, QuasselDroid is a Quassel client :-)
[12:06] <tumbleweed> the advantage of it is that you can seamlessly move between your machines, appearing on IRC as one person
[12:07] <superfly> Hence why I can chat from my phone, my tablet AND my PC, and never leave the room :-)
[12:07] <mazal> Will ask magespawn_ when he's around what client he could suggest
[12:07] <superfly> s/room/channel/
[12:07] <superfly> Maaz: google for Android IRC client
[12:07] <Maaz> superfly: "Yet Another Android IRC Client - Yaaic" http://www.yaaic.org/ :: "AndroIRC - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androirc&hl=en :: "AndChat.net - IRC Client for Android" http://www.andchat.net/ :: "AndroIRC - The best IRC client for Android your device need" http://www.androirc.com/ :: "Android IRC clients «
[12:07] <Maaz> Brad's blog" http://blog.lassey.us/2010/06/25/android-irc-clients/ :: "The Best IRC Clients…
[12:07] <mazal> This is a Samsung S2
[12:07] <superfly> Those would be the 3 I have heard of the most
[12:08] <mazal> Ok thanx will look into those
[12:12] <barrydk> maaz google for android irc client
[12:12] <Maaz> barrydk: "Yet Another Android IRC Client - Yaaic" http://www.yaaic.org/ :: "AndroIRC - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androirc&hl=en :: "AndChat.net - IRC Client for Android" http://www.andchat.net/ :: "AndroIRC - The best IRC client for Android your device need" http://www.androirc.com/ :: "Android IRC clients «
[12:12] <Maaz> Brad's blog" http://blog.lassey.us/2010/06/25/android-irc-clients/ :: "The Best IRC Clients …
[12:14] <Superhuman> If you have quassel core, you can use the android version.
[12:24] <superfly> Superhuman: yeah, we were just talking about that :-)
[12:25] <Superhuman> Jip, I saw afterwards. Quassel is the best thing to come to irc world, and it makes sense to use.
[12:27] <Superhuman> One thing it does need, is a Quassel provider. Some company that provides you a quassel core connection, for X amount a month.
[12:32] <superfly> Superhuman: I think there might be such a thing, but I haven't looked recently
[12:32] <superfly> just thought I saw it in the Quassel channel a couple of months ago
[12:33] <Kilos> wbb
[12:33] <superfly> A quick duckduckgo found this: http://woboq.com/quassel.html
[12:35] <superfly> even iQuassel, wow... https://itunes.apple.com/app/iquassel/id566844252
[12:44] <mazal> We were busy fiddling with simpleirc , but then work intruded
[12:44] <mazal> Looks like iy will work though
[12:44] <mazal> it even
[12:45] <mazal> Bye for now everyone
[13:02] <inetpro> kilos has another power failure or in saving mode again?
[13:22] <magespawn_> afternoon all
[13:29] <superfly> hi magespawn
[13:36] <magespawn> hey superfly
[13:41] <drubin> inetpro: please ping me about the meeting tomorrow.
[13:41] <drubin> or email a reminder and I will deff come and show my suppoer
[13:41] <inetpro> drubin: what meeting?
[13:42] <magespawn> reapproval
[13:42] <inetpro> drubin: the re-approval is on Tuesday, 18 December 2012 at 22:00 SAST
[13:43] <inetpro> good to hear that you are still around, thanks drubin
[13:43] <inetpro> s/hear/see/
[13:58] <drubin> inetpro: Ya just busy and I forget but I am around.
[13:58] <drubin> I don't irc that much any more
[14:17] <Kilos> so who is Wraz ?
[14:21] <Symmetria> lol
[14:21] <Symmetria> dammit
[14:21] <Symmetria> been phoning around trying to buy a certain fiber cable in this country
[14:21] <Symmetria> the fiber guys in this country have never heard of such
[14:21] <Kilos> that sucks
[14:22] <Kilos> long wait from overseas
[14:22] <Symmetria> heh, its interesting, this particular cable uses 12 fiber strands
[14:22] <Symmetria> ooops 10 sorry
[14:22] <Symmetria> into a single connector on each side
[14:22] <henkj> Symmetria: who did you try?
[14:22] <Symmetria> and requires a form of multimode fiber thats VERY rare
[14:22] <Symmetria> (whats called OM4 MMF)
[14:22] <Symmetria> henk, falcon was my first try
[14:22] <Symmetria> then a coupla other random places I had heard about
[14:23] <Symmetria> but I suspected I might have this problem, there is only one type of equipment that uses that fiber and I think Im probably the first person in the country to actually even think about using it
[14:23] <Symmetria> (that fiber is *specifically* used for 100gig -> 100gig
[14:24] <henkj> then there's not much chance of there being stock, even if people know about it
[14:25] <Kilos> hey mazal you guys winning?
[14:26] <mazal> I dunno , will see if barry tries it
[14:26] <mazal> But he so busy on the farm after hours that he doesn't have much time for pc things
[14:34] <Kilos> what do you do on a farm at night
[14:34] <Symmetria> henkj heh is gonna be pretty cool though turning that stuff up
[14:34] <Kilos> apart from watch tv
[14:35] <Symmetria> I've never attempted to turn up a single 200G LAG on anything
[14:35] <henkj> LAG?
[14:35] <Symmetria> aggregation group
[14:35] <Symmetria> basically, take 2 x 100gig links
[14:35] <Symmetria> and bundle them together
[14:36] <Symmetria> basically what we're doing, is taking 2 high powered routers
[14:36] <Symmetria> putting 2 100gig links between them
[14:36] <Symmetria> bundling the 100gig links into a single channel
[14:36] <Symmetria> and then running a virtual chassis shared control plane over it
[14:36] <Symmetria> so you end up with a single virtual router
[14:36] <Symmetria> with a sick high speed link between them
[14:37] <Symmetria> then you take a switch with 2 x 10gig links coming out of it, plug a single 10gig into each chassis, and run whats called LACP over them, to bundle those
[14:37] <Symmetria> so you end up with 20gig from each switch into the virtual router
[14:37] <Symmetria> if you lose an entire chassis, it drops to a 10gig uplink to the switch, but nothing goes down
[14:37] <Symmetria> so there is total redundancy
[14:37] <Symmetria> (this is the system we're aiming to implement at one of the .za universities for their campus network)
[14:38] <Symmetria> pricey, but kinda sweet
[14:40] <henkj> nice
[14:40] <henkj> but where does the 200G link go to?
[14:40] <Symmetria> its between the two core routers
[14:40] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/core-distribution.png
[14:41] <Symmetria> in that picture, those 2 boxes in the virtual chassis
[14:41] <Symmetria> have the 200gig link between them
[14:41] <henkj> ok, but where are they?
[14:41] <Symmetria> in the data center at the university :)
[15:00] <inetpro> The future of Ubuntu revealed http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/the-future-of-ubuntu-revealed-1114487?goback=.gde_48682_member_192944130
[15:01] <inetpro> 1,600 schools - 50,000 Ubuntu desktops?
[15:01] <inetpro> in South Africa!?
[15:01]  * inetpro wonders
[15:14] <Kilos> dont sit and wonder go home
[15:21] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, ok
[15:23]  * magespawn is going to be working late, making dvd of fish's school concert
[15:31] <Kilos> lol we here if you lonely magespawn
[15:55] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[15:56] <magespawn> trying to get to grips with this video capture program
[15:56] <Kilos> enjoy
[15:58] <magespawn> finally choose the right settings that does notmcause it to drop like 150 frames a second
[16:00] <Kilos> what, you trying to make lotsa bits and pieces into one movie?
[16:01] <magespawn> no one movie from video camera on to hard drive
[16:01] <Kilos> oh isnt thateasy?
[16:01] <Kilos> lotsa camera stuff in repos
[16:02] <magespawn> not when the capture program drops frames for some reason
[16:02] <magespawn> other os
[16:02] <Kilos> ai
[16:03] <magespawn> could not get ubuntu to see the capture device
[16:05] <Kilos> ai you missing some app thats does it
[16:06] <magespawn> mm maybe or some setting but anyway seems to be working now
[16:09] <mazal> Did capturing way back , not an easy task
[16:09] <mazal> Now I just do dvd to mp4 and some very small editing
[16:14] <mazal> My biggest battle was to find a capture device that keeps the video and audio in sync
[16:14] <magespawn> this one seems to drop a lot of frames
[16:15] <magespawn> maybe the pc is not fast enough
[16:15] <mazal> cpu ?
[16:16] <mazal> Speed of cpu I mean
[16:16] <magespawn> actually not sure
[16:16] <magespawn> lol
[16:16] <magespawn> i forget
[16:17] <magespawn> not about to look now will look when first full length capture is done
[16:19] <mazal> I found the best to be external capture device that does all the work. The internal ones all failed. On an external the pc actually just do the saving
[16:27] <inetpro> Kilos: you are way to quiet today
[16:28] <inetpro> you in saving mode or what?
[16:28] <Kilos> ya head not happy inetpro
[16:28] <inetpro> ai
[16:28] <inetpro> sorry oom
[16:28] <Kilos> np ill survive
[16:29] <charl_> sorry to hear Kilos, feel better soon! :(
[16:29] <Kilos> thanks for the concern
[16:29] <Kilos> ty charl_
[16:30] <inetpro> the weather?
[16:42] <Kilos> inetpro, ?
[16:42] <Kilos> rather wrm tonight
[16:42] <Kilos> warm
[16:42] <inetpro> Kilos: I thought perhaps is the weather that is messing with the head?
[16:43] <inetpro> this constant shift between cold and hot
[16:43] <Kilos> oh no its digging up dubbeltjies and pulling other weeds round the house
[16:43] <inetpro> ahh
[16:43] <Kilos> hi timkeller
[16:44] <magespawn> Kilos have a break have a kit kat
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:55] <magespawn> i am off chat later
[17:00] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[17:02] <Kilos> i go eat guys
[17:02] <Kilos> bbnn
[17:02] <inetpro> lekker eet oom
[17:02]  * inetpro bbl also
[17:04] <Kilos> ty
[17:58] <Vince-0> Gaai
[17:58] <Vince-0> Hi I mean
[18:16] <smile> hi :)
[18:18] <Vince-0> stupid headsets too complicated
[18:28] <inetpro> good evening smile
[18:29] <smile> good evening :)
[18:29] <smile> exam tomorrow :o
[18:29] <inetpro> smile: yikes!
[18:29] <inetpro> what are you writing?
[18:29] <smile> whut? :o
[18:30] <inetpro> smile: what exam?
[18:30] <inetpro> smile: what exam are you writing tomorrow?
[18:30] <smile> oh, I'm not writing it :)
[18:30] <smile> it's an oral exam :p
[18:31] <inetpro> ah
[18:31] <smile> I need to say the answers :P
[18:31] <smile> it's about computer networks
[18:31] <smile> and how computers co-operate together
[18:31] <smile> :p
[18:31] <charl_> an oral exam about computers... that sounds unusual?
[18:31] <smile> yeah, but it's actually quite fun :p
[18:31] <inetpro> smile: hmm... but you know all those answers to that anyway
[18:32] <smile> I know every detail, so, he can ask me everything :p
[18:33]  * inetpro also finds oral exam out of the ordinary
[18:33] <charl_> smile: is that at a university?
[18:33] <inetpro> charl_: he's much younger than you :-)
[18:34] <smile> charl_: no, my last year at the school for 12-18 age :)
[18:34] <charl_> smile: ah i see ok, that makes more sense :)
[18:34] <charl_> inetpro: that says nothing, i finished studying years ago anyway :P
[18:34] <smile> but it's not easy ;)
[18:35] <smile> It's about 300 pages theory :P
[18:35] <charl_> heh wait until you get into university!
[18:35] <charl_> :P
[18:35] <inetpro> charl_: hmm... I thought you where like 21
[18:35] <smile> 1000 pages then? o.O
[18:35] <charl_> inetpro: lol no i'm quite a few years older than that ;)
[18:35] <inetpro> lol
[18:35] <charl_> smile: thousands :D
[18:36] <smile> charl_: then I won't learn every detail anymore :P
[18:36] <charl_> well you get so much documentation and references these days, knowing every detail is both impossible and unnecessary
[18:37] <smile> but I want to know everything of it :)
[18:37] <charl_> it's always good to try/!
[18:39] <inetpro> superfly: ping
[18:40] <inetpro> superfly: it's almost 21:00 when you need to focus on stats
[18:40] <smile> yeaah, charl_ :) how are you?
[18:41] <charl_> smile: i'm good! today a decent bit of snow here
[18:41] <charl_> has it snowed in your area yet?
[18:41] <Vince-0> snoow nice -
[18:42] <smile> charl_: yes, but not so much :P much more snow (10cm) is expected tomorrow :P
[18:42] <charl_> yes here too
[18:42] <smile> It will disarrange the traffic :P
[18:43] <charl_> in between 10cm and 20cm
[18:46] <Kilos> hi Narf23
[18:46] <Kilos> hi charl_ smile inetpro
[18:46] <Kilos> hi ludo
[18:46] <smile> hi oom Kilos :p
[18:47] <Kilos> oh hi Vince-0
[18:47] <smile> charl_: do you need to go out tomorrow? :p
[18:48] <Vince-0> lol no mic on any of my devices
[18:48] <Vince-0> hii\
[18:49] <Kilos> wassup the mic Vince-0 ?
[18:49] <Narf23> poor Vince - 1st PC now Tablet :P
[18:49] <superfly> inetpro: OK, just switching on my computer
[18:49] <Narf23> No mic in Google hang out..
[18:50] <Kilos> ah Narf23 you one of the lug guys?
[18:50] <Narf23> Yea - 1st time in ubuntu_za IRC
[18:50] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:50] <inetpro> superfly: get the kiddies sorted before you start
[18:51] <Kilos> hehe inetpro  you too cheeky
[18:51] <inetpro> Narf23: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[18:51] <Narf23> ty
[18:52] <Kilos> Narf23, tell us a bit about yourself
[18:52] <superfly> inetpro: *just* have
[18:52] <inetpro> cool
[18:53] <inetpro> superfly: so where do we start?
[18:53] <Narf23> I'm a M$ techi starting to get into a little of Linux
[18:53] <inetpro> perhaps easiest if you can provide stats for the website
[18:53] <Narf23> Just received my Pi and about to start playing
[18:54] <charl_> smile: yeah i need to go to work, but the roads are salted so i don't worry too much to go on the bicycle
[18:54] <Kilos> ah
[18:54] <smile> okay :p maybe your fingers freeze :o
[18:54] <charl_> hi Kilos
[18:54] <smile> Narf23: good w ork ;)
[18:54] <smile> I ordered mine too :)
[18:55] <superfly> inetpro: I have no idea where to get those
[18:55] <charl_> smile: yeah i always have that problem, that's why i wear gloves now
[18:55] <smile> :)
[18:55] <charl_> smile: actually biking with gloves is quite nice, my head doesn't get cold too quickly, just my fingers
[18:55] <inetpro> smile: last time I think you had google stats
[18:55] <superfly> inetpro: ah, true, I can look at that
[18:56] <inetpro> superfly: http://saturnlaboratories.co.za/files/ubuntu-za_visitors.png
[18:57] <smile> charl_: I was supercooled one day, and I just felt onto the ground :p
[18:57] <smile> inetpro: google stats for? :)
[18:58] <inetpro> oops, was I just talking to smile?
[18:58] <charl_> smile: oh my goodness, that's not good
[18:58] <inetpro> sorry smile, I meant to talk to the fly
[18:58] <inetpro> tab completion fail
[18:59] <smile> inetpro: yea :o
[18:59] <inetpro> wb Vince-0
[19:00] <smile> charl_: It was under freezing temperature outside, I spent too much time outside and my body decided to go in sleep mode :P
[19:00] <Vince-0> oh herrow
[19:00] <mazal> Sleep well all
[19:00] <smile> good night, mazal
[19:00] <superfly> inetpro: we don't use the website much, and you can tell by looking at the stats
[19:00] <Vince-0> so hows this: pc: webcam, 2 sound cards, two headsets + tablet + phone: wifi + 3g and no voice on my mic
[19:00] <magespawn> evening all
[19:00] <Kilos> night maz
[19:01] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[19:01] <inetpro> superfly: I guess we have to face the reality and work on that
[19:01] <charl_> smile: wow ok, that's scary :S be careful!
[19:01] <inetpro> or accept it as is
[19:02] <magespawn> what website superfly?
[19:02] <superfly> inetpro: the "reality" is that our presense is the mailing list and IRC
[19:02] <inetpro> there's more than enough info all over the place
[19:02] <superfly> and the website really isn't used for much
[19:02] <inetpro> superfly: it still is an important site to keep
[19:03] <inetpro> many a new linux user starts his journey at http://ubuntu-za.org/
[19:04] <superfly> inetpro: so maybe we need to re-analyse what our site should be doing
[19:05] <smile> charl_: I will :)
[19:05] <inetpro> superfly: I agree, it's worth looking at that
[19:05] <smile> After one day I was happy again! :P
[19:05] <magespawn> Vince-0: where is the hang-out again?
[19:05] <smile> and for me no school that day :)
[19:06] <inetpro> superfly: as I mentioned late last night, I would love to see more South Africans getting involved in Ubuntu development
[19:07] <superfly> inetpro: I agree, but where are they going to hear about Ubuntu?
[19:07] <magespawn> i made some progress on the idea of t-shirts
[19:07] <inetpro> our website should point back to the places where things happen
[19:07] <inetpro> where things really happen*
[19:07] <superfly> Maybe we should make it a static site? just 2 or 3 HTML pages?
[19:08]  * inetpro could live with that
[19:08] <Kilos> magespawn, you musta missed it
[19:08] <inetpro> superfly: it would make your life much easier
[19:08] <Kilos> we short of lotsa stats
[19:09] <inetpro> superfly: but at the same time, it could make it difficult for others to update
[19:10] <superfly> inetpro: it should be small enough that it doesn't need updating ;-)
[19:10] <magespawn> thinks so Kilos
[19:10] <inetpro> superfly: ok, how about we put that up for a vote in our next meeting?
[19:11] <inetpro> obviously anyone can jump into the discussion at any point before the meeting
[19:12] <Kilos> inetpro, member charl_ offered to sort the site
[19:12] <Kilos> or help anyway
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: OK
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: site statistics updated
[19:14] <inetpro> superfly: where did you post that?
[19:14] <superfly> inetpro: on the reapproval page
[19:14] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:15]  * inetpro doing yet another forced refresh
[19:15] <Vince-0> goowsh
[19:15] <inetpro> superfly: nothing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2012#Website_Traffic
[19:16] <superfly> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2012#Website
[19:16] <inetpro> ahh :-)
[19:17] <inetpro> maybe we should move that down to stats?
[19:17] <Kilos> theres lotsa ubuntu hours not mentioned
[19:18] <Kilos> neil should have the info on last few
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: we don't really have to mention them all
[19:18] <inetpro> just that they did happen and then some stuff to make the report look nice
[19:18] <Kilos> looks like we had nothing since 2011
[19:19] <inetpro> oh and maybe some references to reports
[19:20] <inetpro> obviously the more info the better, but often less is more
[19:20] <Kilos> no here man
[19:21] <Kilos> we cant lose this reapp thing
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: haha
[19:21] <Kilos> someone should take maia a case of redbull
[19:21] <inetpro> like that will really happen!?
[19:22] <inetpro> we have some big guns coming from #ubuntu-za
[19:22] <inetpro> but we need to work on getting more :-)
[19:22] <Kilos> ya but they need bullets
[19:23] <inetpro> lol
[19:23] <Kilos> rope drussell in too
[19:23] <magespawn> looks like some of the ubuntu hour dates got mixed around
[19:23] <inetpro> eish!
[19:23] <drussell> hehehe
[19:23]  * drussell hides
[19:23] <inetpro> magespawn: we can't let that happen
[19:23] <Kilos> hi deegee
[19:23] <inetpro> magespawn: please fix what you see that is wrong
[19:24] <inetpro> drussell: wb
[19:24] <magespawn> will do
[19:24] <inetpro> how are you doing?
[19:24] <drussell> inetpro: :o)
[19:24] <drussell> inetpro: surviving!
[19:24] <magespawn> i will have a good look tomorrow on a tablet at the moment
[19:24] <superfly> inetpro: OK, pulling nick stats on #ubuntu-za
[19:24] <inetpro> drussell: don't forget to breathe
[19:24] <superfly> oh, whoops, just realised that's for all time...
[19:24] <magespawn> that will be interesting
[19:25] <magespawn> what about highvoltage? he was in here a bit too
[19:25] <Kilos> breathing is good for the health
[19:25] <inetpro> magespawn: for sure
[19:25] <drussell> inetpro: heh, yeah, life without breathing is very short :o)
[19:26] <magespawn> it is also what causes you to die
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: seems charl_ has run away now that you mentioned him
[19:26] <Kilos> charl_, ping
[19:27] <Kilos> grrr
[19:27] <Kilos> watching idiot box or something
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: don't worry he'll jump in when he has the time
[19:28] <inetpro> any other suggestions for the report, anyone!?
[19:29] <Kilos> tumbleweed, any ideas?
[19:30] <Kilos> lo ludo
[19:31] <inetpro> drussell: good to see that there's still signs of life on that side
[19:31] <inetpro> you should show more of yourself in here
[19:31] <Kilos> he does man
[19:31] <Kilos> every day or so
[19:31] <Kilos> just likes to lurk
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... so maybe it's me?
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <superfly> inetpro: for reference: select sender.sender, count(backlog.senderid) as active from backlog join sender on sender.senderid = backlog.senderid where bufferid = 17 and time > '2010-12-01 00:00:00' group by sender.sender, backlog.senderid order by active desc;
[19:32] <Kilos> ya you lurk till your nick is mentioned or you can jump on me
[19:32] <smile> byee :p
[19:32]  * Kilos ducks
[19:32] <Kilos> toods smile
[19:32] <smile> good night :p
[19:32] <inetpro> superfly: nice
[19:32] <smile> see ya :)
[19:33] <inetpro> superfly: you should blog that when you have time
[19:35] <drussell> magespawn: one of many things that can cause death :oD
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:40] <inetpro> meanwhile it will be interesting to see the following graph over time
[19:40] <inetpro> http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23ubuntu-za&net=freenode
[19:43] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:43]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[19:43] <Kilos> good idea
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[19:43] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[19:43] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[19:45] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[19:45] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[19:45] <magespawn> Maaz ty
[19:45] <Maaz> You are welcome magespawn
[19:45] <Kilos> hehe you check ludo
[19:46] <Kilos> i greeet daily with no reaction then when i skip a day he wants to know why
[19:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro, Kilos and magespawn!
[19:47] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[19:47] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:47] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:47] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:50] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[19:50] <Maaz> What do you want magespawn Trying to butter me up or something?
[19:50] <magespawn> Maaz for you the world is not enough
[19:50] <Maaz> magespawn: I'll remember that
[19:51] <inetpro> Maaz: for you the world
[19:51] <Maaz> inetpro: for you the world is not enough
[19:52] <inetpro> Maaz: forget last factoid
[19:52] <Maaz> inetpro: I didn't know about last factoid anyway
[19:52] <magespawn> lol
[19:52] <magespawn> did not mean to teach him that
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:53] <Kilos> i dont even get time to play with my bot anymore
[19:53] <Kilos> sigh
[20:01] <Kilos> night inetpro magespawn superfly and others
[20:01] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:01] <magespawn> night Kilos
[20:23] <inetpro> superfly: eish! That sender column has way to many records
[20:23] <superfly> inetpro: I know
[20:23] <superfly> I did a few things, and I still have to filter it down
[20:24] <inetpro> wonder why they didn't simply have a nick column
[20:43] <magespawn> good night
[21:59] <inetpro> magespawn: gaan slaap
[22:00] <inetpro> fp


[08:39] <tomreyn> does lunar use the new fluttr installer, yet?
[08:40] <tomreyn> (and did any past desktop releases?)
[09:41] <guiverc> tomreyn, Ubuntu Desktop has two ISOs for lunar; the default uses ubuntu-desktop-installer, the alternate uses ubiquity
[09:42]  * guiverc adds, if not obvious the ubuntu-desktop-installer is the name of the subiquity variant for desktop...
[09:43] <guiverc> prior releases did have an alterante ISO that had the (then) canary installer, but it wasn't easy to find as never 'official'
[09:43] <tomreyn> guiverc: thanks. so i'm guessing this means there's another attempt being made to switch installers.
[09:44] <tomreyn> to the fluttr one
[09:45] <guiverc> the new installer is now the default (or will be) for 23.04
[09:46] <tomreyn> i'll believe it when i see it
[09:46] <tomreyn> :P
[09:55] <tomreyn> guiverc: i mean, i entirely trust you there. it's just that it was postponed a few times. so i'll better wait for the release date ;)


[00:04] <kb9ylw> Is there an easy way to configure Xubuntu to "print" to a PostScript file, for later printing elsewhere?
[00:04] <recon_lap> kb9ylw: should be, think print to pdf is built in
[00:05]  * kb9ylw tries it
[00:05] <recon_lap> kb9ylw: just print to file
[00:07] <kb9ylw> That'll work. Thanks!
[00:07] <kb9ylw> I honestly didn't expect that to work out of the box.
[00:07] <recon_lap> lot in the linux box these day,
[01:11] <xubuntu395> Aight, anyone have a minute?  I'm having some problems with my internet connection on my xubuntu machine.
[01:12] <recon_lap> xubuntu395: sure, what the problem
[01:13] <xubuntu395> Aight, I'm not getting any connection to the cable modem.  The card  is an nVidia 10/100/1000 network card.  Dual booting with windows 7, which is establishing a connection.
[01:14] <xubuntu395> I have a feeling its a driver issue but nVidia drivers are available with Xubuntu distros, right?
[01:14] <kb9ylw> xubuntu395: Do you have just the one computer plugged into your modem?
[01:14] <xubuntu395> Two
[01:14] <kb9ylw> xubuntu395: via a router?
[01:15] <xubuntu395> No, in the modem
[01:15] <kb9ylw> brb
[01:16] <kb9ylw> How are they connected to the modem?
[01:16] <xubuntu395> Ethernet cable.
[01:16] <xubuntu395> Cat5
[01:17] <kb9ylw> xubuntu395: Does the modem have two LAN ports on it then?
[01:17] <xubuntu395> If this helps:  It cropped up during the last batch of updates.  I've rolled as far back as 11.10, but no luck
[01:17] <xubuntu395> 4
[01:17] <kb9ylw> Ah, so it's a modem with a built-in router then.
[01:19] <xubuntu395_> sorry, got disconnected
[01:19] <kb9ylw> Ah, so it's a modem with a built-in router then.
[01:19] <recon_lap> xubuntu395: can you paste the output of nm-tool
[01:20] <xubuntu395_> State: disconnect
[01:20] <recon_lap> xubuntu395 : into a pastbin that is
[01:20] <xubuntu395_> Uh one sec.  Lemme check
[01:23] <xubuntu395_> http://pastebin.com/UAVECtFm
[01:27] <recon_lap> hmm, not much there, can you paste lshw -C network
[01:29] <xubuntu395_> sure one min
[01:35] <xubuntu395_> http://pastebin.com/q5KeMDuf
[01:35] <xubuntu395_> Sorry bout the wait
[01:38] <recon_lap> xubuntu395_: no worries, just a couple of questions about the card, is it new, did it work before, are you trying to get a wired connection or wireless connection?
[01:39] <xubuntu395_> it's about as old as the mother board (about 5 years now methinks), it worked before the last set of updates for 12.04, and trying to get a wired connection
[01:40] <xubuntu395_> I'm running 11.10 now since I first tried rolling back
[01:40] <exhugo> hi there
[01:41] <exhugo> It is not possible drag and drop items in xubuntu's 12.10 beta2 main menu editor
[01:41] <exhugo> is it a bug?
[01:41] <recon_lap> xubuntu395_: what version of ubuntu did you upgrade from?
[01:42] <exhugo> installed fresh ISO
[01:43] <exhugo> Is there any alternative main menu editor with GUI?
[01:43] <xubuntu395_> I had 12.04, tried using the old disk (which was scratched), tried burning new 12.04 disks which kept crashing (3 of them in a row), and went back to 11.10 disk
[01:46] <recon_lap> xubuntu395_: ok, so you got 11.10 now, you had a bad 12.04 install, and you started from11.10 originally with working wired connection?
[01:46] <xubuntu395_> yes.
[01:52] <recon_lap> xubuntu395_: bit stumped, seems like every thing OS wise is ok as far as i can see. you got a driver. need to find some more information
[01:53] <xubuntu395_> aight
[01:53] <recon_lap> exhugo: have you tried asking in #xubuntu+1
[01:53] <holastickboy> xubuntu395: have u tried installing xubuntu 12.04 via the usb method?
[01:54] <xubuntu395_> Not yet.
[01:54] <recon_lap> xubuntu395_: can you run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart from the command line and give the output
[01:54] <xubuntu395_> Sure.  Gimme a bit
[01:56] <xubuntu395_> http://pastebin.com/BGDZjKeF
[01:58] <recon_lap> not much help, how about ifconfig -a
[01:58] <exhugo> recon_lap: not yet. Thank for letting me know about #xubuntu+1
[02:00] <xubuntu395_> http://pastebin.com/mupAH1mj
[02:02] <recon_lap> xubuntu395_: try sudo dhclient eth0
[02:04] <xubuntu395_> recon_lap: getting nothing after about 10 seconds after typing in password
[02:05] <xubuntu395_> It does nothing.  Just returns to the terminal
[02:05] <recon_lap> xubuntu395_: I'm out of ideas, cabling? I assume you connected to a router , is it ok?
[02:06] <xubuntu395_> It's connected; I've got lights on both the router and the machine
[02:08] <zyltoid> is network manager running?
[02:08] <xubuntu395_> lemme open top
[02:09] <recon_lap> xubuntu395_: thats strange
[02:09] <zyltoid> service network-manager status
[02:09] <xubuntu395_> it's running, pid 1010
[02:10] <zyltoid> is enable networking checked when you click on the icon on the panel?
[02:10] <xubuntu395_> zyltoid: yes
[02:12] <zyltoid> is the networking service running?
[02:12] <zyltoid> /etc/init.d/networking status
[02:12] <zyltoid> on arch I had issues if they both were on
[02:12] <zyltoid> it's off for me by default on xubuntu
[02:13] <xubuntu395_> Holy crap!  I get signal!  Main screen turn on!
[02:13] <xubuntu395_> wow
[02:13] <zyltoid> what was it/
[02:14] <xubuntu395_> I've got connection now.  Getting a couple different sites.
[02:14] <zyltoid> cool
[02:14] <zyltoid> wait so only some work?
[02:14] <xubuntu395_> No, they all work
[02:15] <xubuntu395_> I'm just going through a list iteratively to tripple check.
[02:15] <zyltoid> nice
[02:15] <zyltoid> ping google.com, if that works than it's all good
[02:15] <zyltoid> *then
[02:15] <xubuntu395_> Yup
[02:15] <zyltoid> beer time!
[02:15] <zyltoid> celebration
[02:16] <xubuntu395_> Food time.  Put off dinner for four hours to fix this.
[02:16] <zyltoid> (o_o)-c|_|
[02:16] <xubuntu395_> zyltoid, recon_lap:  Thanks for your help.
[02:16] <zyltoid> np, if i did help at all
[02:17] <recon_lap> good that it's fixed, not sure what the fix was though
[02:18] <holastickboy> glad that it all worked out
[02:18] <zyltoid> quantum physics. just looking at the status altered its state
[02:18] <zyltoid> muhahaha
[02:18] <xubuntu395_> think it was network status issue.  Started working when I was wonking with /etc/init.d/networking
[02:18] <recon_lap> xubuntu395_: but will it stay fixed
[02:18] <zyltoid> networking should be off (stopped) if you're using network-manager
[02:19] <zyltoid> i'd update your kernel just in case there's a better driver
[02:19] <xubuntu395_> It's what I'm doing right now.
[02:19] <zyltoid> i got a speed boost from the 12.04 drivers for my wifi card going to 12.10
[02:19] <zyltoid> it was capped at like 300 :|
[02:19] <xubuntu395_> Hm.  Odd.
[02:20] <xubuntu395_> Ah well, I'll let you guys know if I have any other issues (after exhausting what I can find on the forums, etc).
[02:20] <zyltoid> the card is fairly new so support was getting better these past releases
[02:20] <zyltoid> gl
[02:20] <xubuntu395_> Ah, makes sense
[02:21] <xubuntu395_> Anyway, got to eat.  Thanks again.
[02:21] <zyltoid> cya
[02:27] <holastickboy> has anyone managed to get an android device that has at least android 4.0 installed to mount?
[02:27] <holastickboy> seems to be a pretty common issue, but don't seem to have a fix for it
[02:28] <holastickboy> tried my sony xperia arc s and google nexus 7, same issue
[02:39] <markyb86> hello, does the latest xubuntu still run metacity?
[02:41] <zyltoid> nope, xwfm
[02:41] <markyb86> ok thank you
[02:42] <zyltoid> np
[06:14] <xxert44> folks!!
[06:18] <well_laid_lawn> forks!!
[06:18] <Sysi> Hello there good sir.
[10:21] <KawaKurt> hello
[10:24] <KawaKurt> is there anyone who can help me with a small problem with rhytnbox?
[10:24] <KawaKurt> rhythmbox, sorry
[10:29] <Marzatha> if Xubuntu team is lacking manpower why don't concentrate only on LTS releases?
[10:32] <Sysi> they do, but that doesn't give any more time for building them
[10:33] <Sysi> KawaKurt: just ask, somebody hopefully knows, if no you can try #ubuntu
[10:34] <KawaKurt> i have installed rhytmbox and all recommend packages
[10:35] <KawaKurt> it still runs (radio), but when a song changed, the trans mitting stops, a few seconds from last song wil be repeated and then ends transmitting
[10:36] <KawaKurt> then sw begins to search for a tool, but nothing found and i get the error-msg:
[10:37] <KawaKurt> python 2.7 will have a tool to decode html/text msg. shortly translated, i get the msg in german
[10:38] <KawaKurt> which tool  pyhton searching? any ideas?
[10:42] <KawaKurt> this is the msg in german language:
[10:42] <KawaKurt> Python (v2.7) fordert die Installation von Erweiterungen, um Dateien des folgenden Types wiederzugeben: text/html-Decoder
[12:03] <JinRoh> Hello
[12:05] <JinRoh> can somebody help me set up a internet connection on a xubunut laptop via bluetooth and an nokia C5-00
[13:48] <lib> anyone know how i can completely remove xubuntu xfce and replace it with linux mint xfce without losing my home, download, music, etc folders?
[13:49] <bazhang> the mint installer should be able to keep it. ask in mintsupport to be sure
[13:49] <bazhang> !mintsupport | lib
[13:49] <TheSheep> or just back them up
[13:49] <bazhang> or move to a separate partition
[13:51] <lib> yah i dont want to move any files. wouldnt it be easy to replace xubuntu with mint
[13:55] <recon_lap> lib: it's a bit rude looking for help in xubuntu irc channel to leave to go to mint! Do you not think that you should ask in the mint channel?
[13:58] <lib> lol
[13:58] <lib> im using xchat and the default server is xubuntu
[13:59] <David-A> lib: it should be possible. but the details what to do in the mint installer is best asked in a mint channel. tell them if you have home in a separate partitions. or set up a separate home partition before installing it.
[13:59] <David-A> lib: you can change what chat channel to open by default.
[15:43] <smove> hi guys, can you tell me which program provides the following functionality within the notification area of the xfce-panel on xubuntu: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llm6j4Ts3P1qiw94i.png
[15:44] <smove> you can control your musicplayer within that area
[15:44] <smove> but i cant figure out which program/app it is
[15:45] <baizon> smove: indicator-sound+
[15:45] <smove> im not a xubuntu user btw but i like to know which app that is cause i wanna use it on my system as well
[15:45] <smove> hm ok
[15:45] <baizon> smove: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/indicator-sound
[15:45] <smove> thanks baizon
[15:46] <baizon> smove: you need the ubuntu indicator and notify stuff
[15:47] <smove> hm, ok... let me see how i can install it on my machine.. thanks so far baizon
[15:47] <baizon> np
[17:09] <xubuntu663> le derp
[18:54] <nicofs> Can someone help me get dvb-t on kaffeine to work? i can scan and i get signals in the process - but nothing appears on the result list...
[20:05] <illy> My xchat and irssi re unable to accept dcc transfers, everythime they just stall when trying to establish a connection. how can i fix this ?
[20:15] <Unit193> illy: Need port forwarded on the router.
[20:16] <illy> Hm, can u explain more ?
[20:17] <Unit193> You would have to check for your router how it works.
[20:19] <illy> i think it works, since i hav eno problems with dcc transerfs in win7
[20:23] <_Tristan1> Hello. I have compiz and when windows are minimizing, their contents (not including borders) instantly become transparent as soon as the animation begins. I've tried googling it but found nothing. Anybody know how I could fix this?
[23:52] <rogue780> hi. I'm trying to install Xubuntu 12.04 on a Dell Poweredge SC440 onto a fresh WD 1TB drive. I install successfully (using alternate xubuntu installer), and grub installs successfully with grub-install /dev/sda. When the computer restarts, it says it cannot find a bootable drive. Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this?


[06:51] <PaulePanter> Hi. On Ubuntu 21.04,
[06:51] <PaulePanter> /usr/share/doc/linux-image-5.11.0-22-generic/changelog.Debian.gz
[06:51] <PaulePanter> does not contain useful information.
[06:51] <PaulePanter> /usr/share/doc/linux-headers-5.11.0-22/changelog.Debian.gz does though.
[11:48] <mhcerri> hi PaulePanter, that's caused by the package hierarchy we have for our kernels. linux-image-* is produced by a different source package responsible for only signing the kernel image for secure boot. linux-headers-*, linux-modules-* and others are produced by the kernel source package and thus they have the full changelog
[12:50] <PaulePanter> mhcerri: Thank you for the explanation. Could symbolic links or a note at the top of the change-log be added?
[12:51] <PaulePanter> But probably people are going to figure it out somehow. So, I am good now.