[06:51] <dpm> good morning all
[06:59] <ara> morning dpm, all
[07:03] <dpm> hola ara :)
[07:32] <nigelb> morning dpm, ara :)
[07:32] <nigelb> jono: you around?
[07:40] <dpm> seems not :)
[07:40] <dpm> hey nigelb, good morning :)
[07:41] <nigelb> dpm: heh, every time I wanna catch him he disapeears
[07:41] <nigelb> I should bug jcastro, he'll bug him to get it done :p
[07:42] <nigelb> arg, I need to bug mbudde too now :D
[07:42] <dpm> :-)
[07:43] <vish> doctormo: around?
[07:44] <vish> doctormo: do you remember the cchost site you and pleia2 put together a mont or so ago?
[07:44] <vish> month*
[07:44]  * vish cant seem to find it.. and not sure whats going on there.
[07:44] <nigelb> ubuntuowl?
[07:45] <nigelb> vish: ^ ?
[07:45] <vish> ..not sure.. hence the Q ;)
[07:46] <nigelb> http://ubuntu-owl.org/
[07:46] <nigelb> if its ubuntu owl ^^
[07:46] <vish> nope not it.. another one..
[07:46]  * nigelb doesn't know then
[07:46] <nigelb> vish: what was it about?
[07:46] <nigelb> i.e. the site
[07:46] <vish> nigelb: cc artwork..
[07:47] <nigelb> vish: check doctormo's blog posts ;) He would have said it some time :D
[07:47] <vish> nigelb: gah! stop making me do work! ;p
[07:47] <vish> nigelb: nah, he dint blog about it :)
[07:48] <nigelb> vish: oh well, then just wait for him to wake up :D
[07:49] <nigelb> vish: congrats!
[07:50]  * nigelb just read planet :)
[07:50] <vish> oh no! what did i do now!
[08:00] <vish> oh great liferea does not want to read the planet! :(
[08:20] <AlanBell> wow, if that was anyone but sabdfl I would say tl;dr to that post!
[08:22] <vish> AlanBell: oh! hehe , i was mentioned there!  i did skip that as a tl;dr!
[08:23] <vish> just used search now! to find me there, still dint read it fully..! ;p
[09:04] <jussi> ok, call me a non geek or whatever, but what is "tl;dr" ?
[09:07]  * jussi guesses "too long, drop" but perhaps could be wrong... so feel free to correct me...
[09:16] <AlanBell> too long;didn't read
[09:21] <jussi> ahh
[09:32] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:40] <matti> :)
[10:41] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc  great video
[11:25] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:39]  * duanedesign is getting very excited for UDS this year. Starting to look like all the planets are going to align and I will be able to go.
[13:04] <czajkowski> whooo
[13:14] <czajkowski> had yummy brunch, now to tackle inbox and start filling inboxes up
[13:18] <duanedesign> czajkowski: heh, i made the mistake of ignoring my inbox for a few days.
[13:18] <czajkowski> oh I'm at inbox Nil
[13:18] <czajkowski> I'm now tackling stuff I've flagged I need to follow up on or poke/harass others
[13:18] <czajkowski> in a nice irish way of course
[13:18] <czajkowski> :)
[13:19] <duanedesign> of course :)
[13:19] <duanedesign> I am liking Gmails new Priority Inbox feature
[13:20] <czajkowski> not seeing it of much use to me, I dont use my gmail much tbh
[13:22] <duanedesign> i have been trying to use Evolution more. I like the integration of Evolution in the desktop.
[13:22] <czajkowski> I love thunderbird but that's just me
[13:23] <czajkowski> have to find a solution that works for you though
[13:23] <czajkowski> joys of having more than outlook as a solution
[13:23] <duanedesign> i can set reminders and they pop up even if I do not have Evolution open. /me needs lots of reminders :)
[13:23] <duanedesign> czajkowski: haha, so true
[14:06] <czajkowski> maco: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc
[14:29] <sense> good afternoon
[14:29] <czajkowski> sense: yer back where you been
[14:31] <sense> czajkowski: Hi czajkowski! I've been busy with the start of the school year and with finding motivation again. The last few days (or weeks) I've been doing a lot of other things, so that's why I wasn't online here a lot. Although I have to say that Mark Shuttleworth's post "Reflections on Ubuntu, Canonical and the march to free software adoption" does work motivational. :)
[14:32] <czajkowski> sense: tis a bit nice if even a tad long
[14:32] <czajkowski> but an interesting read all the same
[14:32]  * czajkowski hugs randa
[14:32] <czajkowski> randa: you my dear rock! thank you
[14:32] <randa> ;)
[14:33] <randa> thanks czajkowski you too
[14:54] <duanedesign> sense: thanks for mentioning the Shuttleworth post. Rad the planet yesterday so i probablly wouldnt of caught that for a few days and I, like you, have been searching for a rejuvination of motivatio
[14:55] <duanedesign> n/8
[14:55] <duanedesign> grr
[14:55] <sense> yw :)
[15:21] <czajkowski> jcastro: thanks for the info on downtime
[15:22] <jcastro> czajkowski: yeah normally I don't care/notice downtime, but I notice that's a bunch of stuff related to us!
[15:24] <czajkowski> hehe
[15:24] <czajkowski> Rt'd and added locoteams to the tweet
[15:24] <czajkowski> cheers for the heads up though
[15:26] <czajkowski> jcastro: why is qa down twice ?
[15:27] <jcastro> I guess qa. and *.qa are different things?
[15:28] <czajkowski> ahh possibly just link to same site. just wondered, thanks
[15:49] <technoviking> does the design team have a channel?
[15:49] <czajkowski> technoviking: most are in Ayatana
[15:49] <czajkowski> channel
[15:50] <technoviking> czajkowski: some one needs to link that to canonical-design-team:)
[15:50] <czajkowski> possibly
[15:50] <czajkowski> not all of them use IRC
[15:51] <czajkowski> there is some other channel but for the life of me I never ever remember it
[15:55] <jono> hey all
[15:55] <AlanBell> hey jono
[15:55] <czajkowski> jono: ello there
[15:55] <highvoltage> hey awesome jono
[15:55] <jono> dpm, sorry to do this at such late notice, but is there any chance I could push our call back by an hour?
[15:55] <jono> hey AlanBell, czajkowski, highvoltage :-)
[15:55] <czajkowski> jono: you stood me up last week mister :p
[15:55] <jono> czajkowski, I was on holiday
[15:56] <jono> sorry, I thought I told you
[15:56] <czajkowski> nope I found out via folks in here :)
[15:56] <czajkowski> jono: no prawn crisps for you buddy! no siry!
[15:57] <dpm> jono, no worries about the short notice. What about postponing it to tomorrow after the team call, would that be ok for you? I'd like to finish my day at 18:00 today, but I can stay for longer tomorrow or we can arrange some other time in the week
[16:00] <czajkowski> If anyone needs  a hand with action items/community work gives a shout, I'm pretty free atm
[16:01]  * highvoltage refrains from making a free as in beer joke
[16:01] <czajkowski> highvoltage: you'll get a poke mister :)
[16:02] <highvoltage> :)
[16:02] <dpm> thanks a lot for the offer czajkowski! Mine that are left are pretty translation specific, but if I need a hand I'll sure give a shout
[16:02]  * dpm hugs czajkowski
[16:04] <czajkowski> np
[16:04]  * czajkowski hugs dpm back
[16:04] <jono> dpm, Wed I am on the phone from 7am until 1pm
[16:04] <jono> dpm, can we do Thurs at the same slot?
[16:05] <dpm> jono, sure, do you want me to add it to the calendar?
[16:05] <jono> yes please
[16:09] <dpm> jono-phone, ok, done, I've put it after your EMAIL slot
[16:09] <jono-phone> dpm, feel free to put it in the EMAIL slot
[16:10] <dpm> jono-phone, ok, put in the EMAIL slot, then
[16:11] <dpm> I'm on Inbox 13, I'm sure I can do Inbox 0 by the end of the week!
[16:12] <czajkowski> dpm: positive thinking!
[16:12] <dpm> :-)
[16:12]  * dpm cheers himself up
[16:14] <jcastro> dpm: how was holidays?
[16:16] <dpm> jcastro, very good, very relaxing. It's been the first holidays in years where I've stayed at home, enjoying the time there and doing stuff I've been wanting/needed to do for months!
[16:18] <jcastro> this was my first proper vacation
[16:18] <jcastro> I always just spread out a few days throughout the year
[16:27] <dpm> yeah, it does help for disconnecting to have a proper chunk of days off
[16:27] <dpm> and it's good for the motivation when you come back :-)
[16:42] <nigelb> dpm: totally agree.
[16:42] <nigelb> you'll be plotting thigns during vacation :p
[16:42] <nigelb> jono-phone: ping, poke, and everything else to call your attention :D
[16:47] <pleia2> vish: art.ubuntu-owl.org
[16:47] <AlanBell> jcastro: any word on when UDS sponsorship decisions will be announced (other than march 26th or whatever summit was saying!)
[16:48] <jcastro> as soon as possible
[16:48] <jcastro> been working it fulltime since yesterday
[16:49] <nigelb> jcastro: ahem, can I add a task to your todo list?
[16:49] <jcastro> depends
[16:49] <nigelb> (actually, the task is to add something to jono's todo list and get it done)
[16:50] <nigelb> jcastro: ^
[16:50] <AlanBell> thanks jcastro
[16:51] <maco> nigelb: wait you're gonna give jcastro a TODO of "annoy jono"?
[16:51] <nigelb> maco: in two words, yes :p
[16:52] <nigelb> maco: actually, its much more, but it does come down to it...
[16:53] <czajkowski> nigelb: lernid ?
[16:53] <jcastro> nigelb: just say it
[16:54] <nigelb> czajkowski: yup
[16:54] <czajkowski> how did I guess :p
[16:55] <nigelb> jcastro: the lernid config file is on jono's server.  I can give you a .htaccess file (I gave him already), which needs to be dropped into the folder where the file sits and those requests will be directed to a site which plei a2 and doct ormo have access to.  This makes updating a bit more easier.  Can do?
[16:55] <nigelb> czajkowski: now you know, I've been at it for a while ;)
[16:55] <jcastro> tomorrow or the day after, we're kind of slammed right now
[16:56] <nigelb> jcastro: if you can sorta do it before UOW, I'm very happy :)
[16:56] <nigelb> oh wait, I shouldn't have said that :p
[16:56] <AlanBell> nigelb: that is the very first bug filed against lernid  bug 488458
[16:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 488458 in lernid "phones home (affects: 1)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488458
[16:56] <nigelb> AlanBell: hahaha
[16:58] <jcastro> nigelb: oh for sure, treading water ftw
[16:58] <maco> there's a dmb meeting going on right now.  *popcorn*
[16:59] <jono-phone> nigelb, <--- I am on the phone :-)
[17:00] <nigelb> jcastro: thanks :)
[17:00] <nigelb> jono-phone: jcastro will bug you along with me :D
[17:00] <jcastro> yes, just not now. :)
[17:01] <czajkowski> maco: oh the popcorn time was before the meeting even started
[17:01] <nigelb> jcastro: sure, no problem :D
[17:10] <dpm> ok, time to call it a day, have a fantastic rest of the day everyone!
[17:11] <dpm> bye!
[17:11] <nigelb> dpm: night!
[17:11] <dpm> bye nigelb :)
[17:16] <technoviking> nhandler: ping
[17:16] <technoviking> nhandler: I think I figured out how to change the fridge feed rss
[17:25] <doctormo> Morning all
[17:31] <popey> technoviking: whats wrong with the fridge feed rss?
[17:40] <akgraner> technoviking, it's the feed to the Forums that you are talking about right - the one that comes to a crawl everyone once in a while?  or is there something else that is wrong?
[17:41] <akgraner> technoviking, once we get the new fridge up I guess we'll need to change the feed over for that as well... hmmm
[17:42] <akgraner> paultag, I got an email from kara  - she is going to try to get the pics up today and will email me with a link as soon as they are up
[17:43] <czajkowski> paultag: oi yer missing from over there
[17:47] <technoviking> popey and akgraner: nothing, nhandler was wondering how hard it would be to change it
[17:48] <popey> ah
[17:49] <technoviking> did not know if it was an immediate request or after the new site goes live
[17:50] <akgraner> technoviking, after new site goes live I believe - that's the only request I new about
[17:52] <technoviking> akgraner: coolness, looks like an easy changes, once you find the setting in the thosands of forums option.
[17:53] <akgraner> technoviking, awesome - we are almost ready I think  - I have a few more options to add in and popey is working on the migrating the past posts
[17:53] <akgraner> but sso should be in place now
[17:53]  * nigelb hugs popey and akgraner :)
[17:54] <technoviking> akgraner: woot! have someone on the fridge eam request tthe request to the forums council, to keep everyone happy and in the loop
[17:55] <akgraner> technoviking, can and will do when the time comes - thank you!!!
[17:55] <popey> \o/
[17:59] <jcastro> akgraner: reset done on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:59] <jcastro> I'll be posting on the mailing lists looking for people
[18:00] <nigelb> oh, its that time of the year again
[18:00]  * popey hides
[18:00] <scott-work> jcastro: i notice that ubuntu studio isn't listed under "find out more about ubuntu" :(
[18:00] <jcastro> scott-work: add it!
[18:00] <scott-work> I shall!
[18:01] <jcastro> and then do a session on studio!
[18:01] <popey> I have a T-shirt with "It *is* a wiki!" on :)
[18:01] <popey> used to be my catch phrase
[18:01] <jussi> popey: awesome
[18:01] <vish> pleia2: thanks ..
[18:01] <Pici> !its a wiki
[18:01] <ubot2> It's a wiki, *you* can edit it
[18:01] <nigelb> Pici: that's really nice :D
[18:02] <nigelb> !popey
[18:02] <ubot2> Factoid 'popey' not found
[18:02] <popey> :(
[18:02] <nigelb> there used to be one
[18:02] <scott-work> done
[18:02] <scott-work> jcastro: that's not a bad idea...hmmmm
[18:03] <nigelb> !popey-#ubuntu-uk
[18:03] <ubot2> popey is the UK alternative to elvis.
[18:03] <scott-work> but probably impractical though for most users
[18:03] <nigelb> Aha
[18:04] <popey> home time \o/
[18:08] <jcastro> scott-work: while you're in there you can probably fix UNR-> Netbook edition
[18:10] <scott-work> jcastro: many of those links are broken, do you want the derivatives to point the the "Derivatives" ubuntu page? or their respective home page?
[18:11] <jcastro> scott-work: whichever you think is best
[18:21] <scott-work> jcastro: done, although it appears that mobile is no longer developed and so i replaced it with mythbuntu
[18:21] <doctormo> hey nigelb and pleia2
[18:21] <nigelb> hola doctormo :)
[18:22] <jcastro> scott-work: rock and roll
[18:27] <jcastro> jam of the day is Death Rattle by Pantera folks!
[18:29] <JFo> jcastro, it is this for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA
[18:30] <czajkowski> JFo: if this is more dodgey music selection i am gonna wallop you
[18:30] <jcastro> yeah
[18:30] <jcastro> that link is probably NSFW
[18:30] <JFo> :-D
[18:30] <czajkowski> i'm in a bar
[18:31] <nigelb> JFo: if that's the cake song again, I'm going to get down there to kick you :p
[18:31] <nigelb> It is
[18:31] <JFo> :-D
[18:31] <JFo> hee hee
[18:31]  * nigelb kicks JFo
[18:31]  * czajkowski wallops JFo
[18:38] <scott-work> JFo:  ROFL, didn't see that one coming, i was thinking WTF?
[18:38] <JFo> :-)
[18:38]  * JFo is evil
[18:38] <nigelb> another victim
[18:38] <czajkowski> it's arthurs bday this month as well as mr.jack daniels
[18:39] <nigelb> czajkowski: kick JFo association time?
[18:39] <czajkowski> i shall celebrate mr. daniels in style next weekend
[18:39] <scott-work> better than being rick rolled i suppose
[18:39] <JFo> scott-work, I have done my share of that
[18:39] <nigelb> scott-work: its being JFo rolled ;)
[18:39] <JFo> hah!
[18:39] <czajkowski> scott-work: it's JFo of being rick rolled he is a tad evil
[18:39] <JFo> got Rick Rolled by the radio in a store the other day
[18:40] <JFo> it was sad
[18:42] <czajkowski> gah what is taking my dinner sooo long
[18:42] <czajkowski> starving
[18:59] <doctormo> *yawn*
[18:59] <jono_> jcastro done on the phone, you needed me?
[19:00] <czajkowski> dinner brought out and all wrong, now it's gone back to kitchen, teasing me!
[19:03] <doctormo> czajkowski: Are you in a restaurant?
[19:03] <nigelb> doctormo: pub
[19:03] <czajkowski> yup waiting for the hackerspace meet up to start
[19:03] <czajkowski> nigelb: same thing over here
[19:03] <czajkowski> in most cases
[19:03] <nigelb> czajkowski: ah
[19:03] <czajkowski> and has free wifi which is a bonus
[19:05] <doctormo> I want to go to a Japanese Irish pub with Mideastern wait staff. Relieve some of this tedium.
[19:06] <jcastro> jono: time sensitive, quick mumble?
[19:12] <jono> jcastro let's do Skype, Mumble is b0rked for me
[19:13] <jcastro> ok
[19:13] <jono> jcastro ready when you are
[19:13] <jcastro> jono: ready when you are
[19:34] <doctormo> czajkowski: How is the hackspace meet up going? is it yet>
[19:38] <czajkowski> we now have a name MilkLabs - made in limerick
[19:42] <highvoltage> sounds mooey
[19:48] <doctormo> Oooh, investors of chocolate?
[20:06] <highvoltage> czajkowski: not sure if I pasted you this recently enough:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/moo/
[20:06] <nigelb> highvoltage: haha
[20:06] <nigelb> highvoltage: btw, whatever was the matter with the phone?
[20:06] <czajkowski> whooo
[20:07] <highvoltage> nigelb: I *could* tell you, but you specifically asked me not to
[20:07] <czajkowski> free cookies rock
[20:07] <nigelb> highvoltage: haha, that was a figure of speech!
[20:08] <highvoltage> nigelb: ah. well, turns out that that phone's sim card indeed goes in the other way than any other phone I've every used.
[20:08] <nigelb> highvoltage: heh, been there.  done that. :)
[20:43] <vish> fitts law!
[21:03] <nigelb> paultag: poke?
[21:55] <czajkowski> nigelb: college has kicked in for him
[21:55] <czajkowski> it's very quiet without him
[21:55] <czajkowski> :)
[21:56] <nigelb> czajkowski: gosh, I miss not having him around
[21:56] <czajkowski> heh
[21:56] <nigelb> err s/not//
[21:56] <czajkowski> awwww
[21:56] <nigelb> We were doing some awesome stuff with git lately, need to catch on that soon
[21:57] <doctormo> nigelb: Is it that funky new document undo system with git repositories?
[21:57] <nigelb> doctormo: nah, playing around with post commit hooks :)
[21:57] <nigelb> doctormo: and creating a bug tracker that would have bugs closed from changelog :)
[21:57] <doctormo> *yawn* wake me up with the revolution starts.
[21:58] <paultag> nigelb, yo
[21:59] <czajkowski> paultag: all we have to do is get nigelb to say he misses you and you arrive eh
[21:59] <paultag> czajkowski, UBT love cztab :)
[21:59] <czajkowski> UBT?
[21:59] <czajkowski> paultag: speak english nutter
[21:59] <paultag> czajkowski, I am!
[21:59] <paultag> czajkowski, Ubuntu Beginners Team
[21:59] <czajkowski> ahh
[21:59] <doctormo> nigelb: So that's a bit like the bzr hooks that dot hat launchpad?
[22:00] <nigelb> doctormo: yeah, bzr copied from git :p
[22:01] <paultag> git ftw
[22:01] <doctormo> nigelb: Now now, it's not about who copied what from where, but who takes over the world :-P
[22:01] <nigelb> doctormo: yes, git
[22:02] <doctormo> Only proprietary project management services use git, what does that say eh. Savanah and Launchpad use bzr. Now if we can only get trac to have some sort of bzr intergration too.
[22:02] <nigelb> doctormo: gitorious is free and open source
[22:02] <paultag> what about alioth doctormo ?
[22:03] <nigelb> Also, its far far easier to set up git server that bzr afaik
[22:03] <doctormo> paultag: Debian alioth is cool
[22:03] <paultag> trac and traq also use git
[22:03] <paultag> doctormo, alioth uses git
[22:03] <nigelb> gnome uses git!
[22:03] <paultag> If there is no F/OSS app, then use it
[22:03] <paultag> then make it *
[22:03] <paultag> nigelb, +1
[22:03] <czajkowski> jono: you about? or pulling whats left of your hair out over your inbox ?
[22:04] <doctormo> Okay so apart from alioth and trac, what have the romans ever done for us!
[22:04]  * nigelb softly repeats gitorious
[22:19] <nigelb> \o/ http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/09/msg00004.html
[22:20] <jono> czajkowski, still knee deep
[22:20] <jono> whats up?
[22:21] <jcastro> <---- EOD, I leave you with this: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/caption-this-picture12.jpeg?w=500&h=643
[22:22] <czajkowski> so odd
[22:22] <czajkowski> jono: time for a brief pm?
[22:22] <nigelb> jcastro: NICE :)
[22:22] <nigelb> jcastro: did you take the car out for a ride ? :)
[22:22] <czajkowski> jcastro: ohh what did you buy ?
[22:23] <jono> czajkowski, sure
[22:23] <nigelb> czajkowski: http://twitter.com/castrojo/status/24442622930
[22:23] <jono> jcastro can we talk UDS in a few mins
[22:24] <jcastro> jono: It'll need to be phone, I'm on the way out the door
[22:24] <jcastro> nigelb: I've only driven it once so far, hah
[22:24] <czajkowski> jcastro: nice! what have you nmamed her?
[22:24] <nigelb> jcastro: haha, now you regret working from home don't you? ;)
[22:24] <jcastro> haven't decided on a name
[22:24] <jcastro> nigelb: for about 2 minutes.
[22:24] <nigelb> jcastro: pricelss 2 minutes
[22:25] <czajkowski> nice car very nice
[22:25] <paultag> jcastro, good man, you popped on it
[22:25] <jono> jcastro np
[22:25] <paultag> jcastro, give 'er hell!
[22:25] <jcastro> paultag: my car fired right up, I wasted those guys' time for nothing
[22:26] <jcastro> jono: just call whenever
[22:26]  * nigelb is hungry
[22:27] <nigelb> 3 am isn't best of times to look for food
[22:27] <paultag> bah
[22:27] <jono> cheers jcastro, actually, let's do it tomorrow, I want to finalize the list
[22:27] <jono> jcastro we will need to review the list together
[22:27] <jcastro> jono: can we do it later tonight? I'll be around


[11:17]  * JanC tries to remember how to tell Ubuntu/Xorg to Do The Right Thing and read ~/.XCompose ...
[14:13] <jcristau> JanC: you mean gtk.
[14:14] <JanC> jcristau: well, yeah, although "Ubuntu" sort of implies that...
[14:16] <jcristau> no, it really doesn't
[14:17] <JanC> jcristau: Ubuntu desktop is (for now?) almost entirely Gtk-based, so yes it does
[14:19] <JanC> but probably not something Xorg devs can help with  :)


[01:45] <anastasiamac_> axw: wallyworld_: plz don't review yet :D m resolving merge conflicts
[01:45] <axw> ok
[01:45] <wallyworld_> k
[01:45] <anastasiamac_> wallyworld_: someone has been very busy in the area
[01:45]  * anastasiamac_ rolls eyes :D
[02:08] <anastasiamac_> axw: wallyworld_: and resolved... PTAL http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/941/
[02:08] <axw> looking
[02:09] <anastasiamac_> axw: tyvm :D
[04:45] <thumper> phew
[04:45] <thumper> doc finished (for now)
[04:45] <thumper> email sent
[04:45] <thumper> I'm done
[04:45]  * thumper looks for the wine
[08:49] <TheMue> morning
[08:52] <anastasiamac_> TheMue: morning
[08:52] <TheMue> anastasiamac_: heya o/
[08:52] <TheMue> anastasiamac_: still awake?
[08:53]  * TheMue has to look at the time zones
[08:53] <anastasiamac_> TheMue: it's 7pm, m about to take my son to soccer
[08:53] <anastasiamac_> TheMue: but will be back again soon :D
[08:53] <TheMue> anastasiamac_: ah, ok, not so late, but a good time to care for the son
[08:53] <anastasiamac_> TheMue: u r not travelling very far in April ;(
[08:54] <TheMue> anastasiamac_: absolutily not, and the city is IMHO quite boring (have been there twice)
[08:54] <anastasiamac_> TheMue: yes, it's good time to care for one... unfortunately, i have 3 :(
[08:54] <TheMue> anastasiamac_: there are others more interesting, like Hamburg or Berlin
[08:54] <anastasiamac_> TheMue: but with us, it will feel like new :D
[08:54] <TheMue> anastasiamac_: hehe, I've got 2, but the are now almost 19 and 21.
[08:55] <anastasiamac_> TheMue: oh - so u know my dilemma
[08:55] <TheMue> anastasiamac_: yep *lol*
[08:55] <anastasiamac_> TheMue: ttyl
[08:55] <TheMue> anastasiamac_: cu
[09:02] <jam> fwereade: how's it going?
[09:23] <fwereade> jam, heyhey
[09:23] <fwereade> jam, actually decent again, how about you?
[09:25] <fwereade> axw, thanks for moving those relation.Hook* things
[09:25] <fwereade> axw, I was worried there'd be import hassle
[09:25] <axw> fwereade: nps, I hope it looks okay?
[09:26] <fwereade> axw, I haven't looked at the change, just the log,but it sounds absolutely sane
[09:26] <axw> ok :)
[09:26] <axw> fwereade: I'll have some more changes soon, but that'll all be about storage. probably will have to pick your brain again soon
[09:27] <jam> fwereade: did you have a good weekend? Things are going ok here, though we should get back on Leader Election stuff
[09:27] <jam> I did manage to land a couple patches there
[09:27] <fwereade> jam, yeah, I saw, and I have one here with just a few review fixes to apply I think
[09:28] <fwereade> jam, so we're getting perilously close to the actually-call-the-apis point
[09:28] <jam> fwereade: I was thinking to go make some coffee and then jump on a hangout, does that sound decent to you?
[09:28] <fwereade> jam, perfect, will do likewise
[10:04] <voidspace> dooferlad: dimitern: TheMue: got kicked out! Need to reauthenticate, sorry
[11:17] <dooferlad> dimitern, TheMue, voidspace: https://github.com/dooferlad/next_up
[11:18] <TheMue> *click*
[11:19] <dooferlad> TheMue: Would happily move the remaining Python stuff into Go, but can't justify the time spent at the moment. Suggestions welcome :-)
[11:19] <dimitern> dooferlad, nice! :)
[11:19] <voidspace> dooferlad: cool
[11:19] <TheMue> dooferlad: will come automatically over the time
[11:21] <TheMue> dooferlad: together with more commenting *scnr*
[11:21] <dooferlad> TheMue: It has... evolved quickly.
[11:21]  * fwereade lunch
[11:22] <dooferlad> TheMue: I would classify it as "I don't like it, but it works"
[11:23] <voidspace> dooferlad: for the JSON documents in Go you could use a generic (bad choice of word) JSONObject
[11:23] <voidspace> dooferlad: with methods to fetch a map, an array or a string
[11:23] <voidspace> dooferlad: and then just traverse the known structure
[11:23] <voidspace> dooferlad: this is what we do for MaaS - you could nick the code from that
[11:24] <voidspace> it's still a bit more tedious than Python, but you don't have to define a type for each document
[11:25] <dooferlad> voidspace: cool!
[11:25] <voidspace> so GetArray returns a JSONObject representing the array, or an error if the underlying JSON you've asked for isn't an array
[11:25] <voidspace> so more than half your code is still error handling :-)
[11:26] <voidspace> provider/maas/environ.go is a good place to look for examples
[11:26] <voidspace> and by coincidence the place you'll need to be looking for the networking stuff
[11:27] <voidspace> dooferlad: did you say you had a pact referral code?
[11:28] <voidspace> dooferlad: I'm thinking of giving them a try
[11:28] <voidspace> dooferlad: gomaasapi.JSONObject
[11:29] <voidspace> which should probably be broken out into it's own little library
[11:36] <dooferlad> voidspace: https://www.pactcoffee.com/spread/james-cmocka
[11:36] <voidspace> dooferlad: thanks
[11:37] <dooferlad> voidspace: that gomaasapi.JSONObject looks spot on!
[11:51] <voidspace> dooferlad: coffee ordered :-)
[11:51] <dooferlad> voidspace: hope you enjoy it :-)
[11:59] <TheMue> aaaah, found it, go test dislikes the combination of -check.v or -gocheck.v with ./...
[12:19] <dimitern> TheMue, yeah, it's either go test -v ./... or go test -check.v (in current dir)
[12:30] <voidspace> dimitern: dooferlad: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ovdml6fs4u3n1wv/maas.txt?dl=0
[12:31] <voidspace> dimitern: dooferlad: that's the document on the container addressability information for MaaS
[12:31] <dimitern> voidspace, thanks, looking
[12:31] <voidspace> it's just an overview, but hopefully detailed enough to be useful
[12:32] <voidspace> feel free to point out errors, missing information or suggest clarification
[12:32] <voidspace> it doesn't detail all the specific API calls as they should be clear from the code
[12:32] <voidspace> it's meant as a guide to the code
[13:04] <jam> fwereade: are you around to chat a bit about the Dying() stuff?
[13:09]  * jam goes to walk the dog
[13:41] <dimitern> hey guys, fwereade just texted me he's having issues with the internet connection
[13:41] <dimitern> tasdomas, ^^
[13:54] <jw4> plantuml state diagram of uniter modes : http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/944/
[13:54] <jw4> still really basic; lots of room for improvement
[13:55] <jw4> katco: fyi, you were interested in this ^^
[14:51] <marcoceppi> gsamfira aznashwan o/
[14:53] <gsamfira> marcoceppi hey there :D
[14:57] <katco> jw4: thanks, i'll have a look :)
[14:58]  * katco is OCR today; covering for perrito666 who is on holiday today. Please send review requests my way!
[15:01] <TheMue> katco: don't cry so loud, I'm currently finishing a larger one
[15:01] <TheMue> katco: :D
[15:02] <katco> TheMue: haha
[15:14] <sinzui> wwitzel3, You can merge your fix for bug 1417875 and since your work is required for 1.21 and 1.22, you were permitted to to use the __JFDI__ to make it merge
[15:14] <mup> Bug #1417875: ERROR juju.worker runner.go:219 exited "rsyslog": x509: certificate signed by unknown authority <canonical-bootstack> <logging> <regression> <juju-core:In
[15:14] <mup> Progress by wwitzel3> <juju-core 1.21:In Progress by wwitzel3> <juju-core 1.22:In Progress by wwitzel3> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417875>
[15:16] <wwitzel3> sinzui: thank you
[15:17] <sinzui> dimitern, how goes your fix for bug 1416928
[15:17] <mup> Bug #1416928: juju agent using lxcbr0 address as apiaddress instead of juju-br0 breaks agents <api> <lxc> <network> <juju-core:In Progress by dimitern> <juju-core 1.21:In Progress by dimitern> <juju-core 1.22:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416928>
[15:17] <dimitern> sinzui, mostly done, testing various scenarios live now
[15:18] <sinzui> rock, thank you dimitern  and wwitzel3
[15:23] <bodie_> where can I find a picture of what's going on with Windows support?  We're looking to add an "action kill" worker behavior which we were planning to implement using syscall; do we need to implement windows support as well (I know we offer a few Windows charms?)
[15:31] <bodie_> (the current plan is to implement it in a system agnostic way and add OS specific support, fwiw.)
[15:36] <jw4> katco: tx
[15:36] <katco> jw4: ty :)
[15:38] <dimitern> mgz, ping
[15:38] <mgz> dimitern: hey
[15:38] <dimitern> mgz, hey, any update on goose? :)
[15:39] <mgz> I have script for managing the pull/test, plan today is fork the existing gating job and add as experimental without the github actual landing part
[15:40] <dimitern> mgz, sweet! please keep me updated
[15:50] <katco> dimitern: would goose need a new branch for adding cinder support? technically it's not a breaking change
[15:51] <dimitern> katco, it depends on the PR I guess
[15:51] <katco> dimitern: picture a new package
[15:52] <dimitern> katco, if you're only adding things, cindertest double subpackage included, then I guess it's backwards compatible
[15:52] <mgz> katco: it shouldn't, but I think we never did the "cloud doesn't support this extention/module" code, so you may have compat issues
[15:53] <katco> mgz: you mean instances of openstack that don't support cinder?
[15:54] <mgz> or only expose it via the nova interfacs
[15:56] <katco> mgz: i'm not touching the nova package, i think it's expected that users utilize the cinder API
[15:56] <katco> mgz: but i might be missing the just of what you're saying
[15:56] <mgz> right, which may not work on any given cloud
[15:56] <mgz> because the older api was through nova
[15:57] <katco> mgz: so wouldn't they then be able to fall back to the nova implementation? or is that not in goose?
[15:57] <dimitern> katco, not the storage apis of nova
[15:58] <katco> dimitern: mgz: ah i see
[15:58] <dimitern> katco, but I'd vote to deal with this if we need to
[15:59] <dimitern> cinder api is the way forward, if we need to also support nova legacy storage apis, we'll do it
[15:59] <mgz> basically, I think we just want to make sure the code does something sensible if keystone doesn't give you a cinder endpoint
[16:00] <mgz> because that's what would break existing uses
[16:00] <katco> mgz: good point. i think that's more on the juju side though
[16:00] <katco> dimitern: agreed. now that i can auto-generate api client's it can be trivial
[16:00] <mgz> we only look at endpoints if you import and try to construct a cinder object?
[16:01] <katco> mgz: it would fail upon making a cinder call most likely
[16:01] <mgz> okay, that's late enough I guess
[16:01] <katco> mgz: i haven't actually wrapped goose around the auto-generated client yet
[16:02] <dimitern> katco, i'd like to have a look at your proposal when you're ready btw
[16:02] <katco> dimitern: sure thing. that's what i'm working on today
[16:03] <katco> dimitern: (i'll be getting back to amz after this, but i want to unblock my team)
[16:03] <dimitern> katco, sgtm
[16:03] <katco> dimitern: here's the autogenerated code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10212665/
[16:05] <dimitern> katco, cool, can I suggest to tweak the generation to follow Go style guide? e.g. no "_" in field names mostly and stripping <tags> from doc comments will be nicer
[16:06] <katco> dimitern: yeah it needs a bit more cleanup. i'm not sure i'll be able to easily get rid of the "_", but will endeavor to
[16:06] <katco> dimitern: within a reasonable amount of time
[16:06] <dimitern> katco, cheers
[16:07] <dimitern> katco, also, are these client-facing exports?
[16:07] <katco> dimitern: the idea is that goose wraps this
[16:07] <dimitern> katco, i.e. do I have to call DeleteSnapshot(request MakeRequestFn, args DeleteSnapshotParams) directly?
[16:07] <dimitern> katco, ah, that's better
[16:07] <katco> dimitern: so probably not; we'll see how the api evolves
[16:08] <katco> dimitern: mostly i just didn't want to sit there and write a billion http requests :)
[16:08] <dimitern> katco, do you even need them all?
[16:09] <katco> dimitern: what do you mean?
[16:09] <dimitern> katco, remember that everything we use in juju needs a corresponding support in its corresponding test double (e.g. testservices/novatestservice)
[16:10] <dimitern> katco, so that live tests can be written against these and run (quickly) against them the same way as they would against live OS servers
[16:11] <katco> dimitern: apologies; i'm not drawing the connection
[16:12] <dimitern> katco, the test servers implement the same API as the real openstack servers (well, only a subset needed by juju)
[16:13] <katco> dimitern: do http requests somehow preclude us from testing that manner?
[16:13] <dimitern> katco, so that you can then write "local live" tests running against the test doubles or real openstack servers
[16:14] <dimitern> katco, no, but if you implement the full cinder api just to save time writing each method individually, this won't help with the implementation of the test double
[16:15] <katco> dimitern: i.e. the tests should be able to use this code to hit the test double
[16:15] <voidspace> dimitern: ping
[16:16] <dimitern> katco, juju (and its live tests) will use the generated code to talk to real OS API or the test double
[16:16] <katco> dimitern: i might be missing something, but i still don't see an issue
[16:17] <katco> dimitern: just pass in a MakeRequestFn that does what you want with the *http.Request
[16:19] <dimitern> katco, it's not just about tweaking a request or response, it's about faking a sequence of calls, e.g. start a node, allocate an ip to it, list node's ips, set node state, etc.
[16:21] <katco> dimitern: i'll have a look at nova and see if i can understand better what you're describing
[16:22] <dimitern> katco, yeah, have a look at juju livetests as well and you the open stack test services are used in goose and in juju
[16:23] <katco> dimitern: ok will do. thanks!
[16:25] <dimitern> katco, np! after going through the code you'll probably understand better what I'm trying (and obviously failing :)) to explain
[16:25] <katco> dimitern: no worries; i'm sure you're right :)
[16:43] <aznashwan> hey, just another quick centos-userdata question for you guys: considering that cloudinit only has very marginal support for [serious] yum-related work, would anyone consider it bad to run all other the packaging-related operations as {boot,run}cmds?
[17:16] <dimitern> I'd appreciate a review on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/946/ which fixes the critical 1.21 release blocker bug 1416928
[17:16] <mup> Bug #1416928: juju agent using lxcbr0 address as apiaddress instead of juju-br0 breaks agents <api> <lxc> <network> <juju-core:In Progress by dimitern> <juju-core 1.21:In Progress by dimitern> <juju-core 1.22:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416928>
[17:16] <TheMue> gnah, my local git repo dislikes me. thankfully e'thing is pushed
[17:16] <TheMue> dimitern: *click*
[17:17] <dimitern> TheMue, ta!
[17:30] <stokachu> if proxies are defined within juju are they exported to the charm's environment as well?
[17:30] <stokachu> for things like wget to utilize
[17:37] <TheMue> dimitern: you've got a review
[17:41] <dimitern> TheMue, thanks!
[17:41] <dimitern> stokachu, yes they are
[17:41] <TheMue> dimitern: yw
[17:42] <TheMue> dimitern: I'll push mine when I fixed my git troubles :D
[17:43] <dimitern> TheMue, ok
[18:05] <natefinch> sinzui: what's the bug situation?  Anything blocking us that I should be looking into?
[18:06] <sinzui> natefinch, I think dimitern and wwitzel3 are finishing up.
[18:06] <sinzui> natefinch, there is this issue been in 1.22 that needs someone to investigate and maybe fix bug 1420049
[18:06] <mup> Bug #1420049: ppc64el - jujud: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") <deploy> <openstack> <regression> <uosci> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.22:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1420049>
[18:07] <dimitern> natefinch, my fix has a review and I'll be setting it to land before I go today
[18:08] <natefinch> dimitern: cool
[18:49] <katco> dimitern: i think i see what you're saying? auto-generating the client doesn't save any time because i have to write all the mock endpoints anyway?
[18:49] <voidspace> right EOD
[18:49] <katco> tc voidspace
[18:50] <voidspace> dimitern: I'll post my self  evaluation later (nearly done) - and email you about my branch
[18:50] <voidspace> dimitern: what's still to be done (not much - just one bit of code to be moved and maybe another test I think)
[18:50] <voidspace> but later
[18:50] <voidspace> gotta go now
[18:50] <voidspace> katco: bye o/
[18:50] <katco> voidspace: ciao
[18:51] <dimitern> katco, yep
[18:51] <dimitern> :)
[18:53] <katco> dimitern: i might have to auto-generate those too :)
[18:56] <dimitern> katco, now that will be awesome! :)
[21:52] <wwitzel3> thumper: ping
[21:53] <thumper> pong
[21:53] <wwitzel3> thumper: quick hangout
[21:53] <thumper> sure
[21:54] <wwitzel3> thumper: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/moonstone?v=1423613698&clid=BF4AF0604617145E&authuser=0
[22:47] <sinzui> wallyworld, xwwt good news of sorts. the job failed without lxc. Looks like an apt issue
[22:48] <wallyworld> oh, interesting
[22:48] <xwwt> sinzui, so this might not be the br0 error?
[22:48] <sinzui> xwwt, yep
[22:48] <sinzui> wallyworld, What is this
[22:48] <sinzui> 2015-02-17 22:45:18 ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:323 failed to stop mongo: exec ["stop" "--system" "juju-db"]: exit status 1 (stop: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist)
[22:49] <sinzui> I think the dbus package got removed when I removed the lxc?
[22:49] <sinzui> yep it was missing
[22:49] <sinzui> retesting now
[22:49] <wallyworld> fingers crossed
[23:11] <sinzui> wallyworld, xwwt   The bug is fixed, we are unblocked. The false failure was cause by a mongod being left behind by the broken juju. I had to clean the machine to let the test run cleanly.
[23:11] <wallyworld> sinzui: awesome
[23:11] <sinzui> wallyworld, we have two passes in a row, so I an sure working juju cleans up
[23:21] <sinzui> wallyworld, CI has blessed the 1.21 rev. I will send packages of to the builds now
[23:21] <wallyworld> whiihii
[23:21] <wallyworld> whoohoo
[23:40] <sinzui> wallyworld, do you have a moment to review this formality http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/948/
[23:40] <wallyworld> sure
[23:41] <wallyworld> sinzui: i love your optimism :-)


[09:09] <sixwheeledbeast> Anyone had an issue where you can't open the Bin in Caja any more? Just sits loading forever.
[11:39] <superkuh> You mean the trash?
[11:39] <superkuh> or /usr/bin ?
[11:39] <superkuh> If trash, I'd guess a permissions error.
[12:44] <sixwheeledbeast> Trash, Bin, Recycle Bin, whatever locale calls it yes. I haven't changed any premissions
[12:48] <superkuh> Do you use any network file shares?
[12:48] <superkuh> What does $ dmesg say?
[12:52] <sixwheeledbeast> no and nothing
[12:57] <superkuh> Where is your .Trash folder on disk(s)?
[12:58] <superkuh> Usually like, /home/$USER/.local/share/Trash  /root/.local/share/Trash
[12:58] <superkuh> But sometimes for mounted HDD and the like it'll be in their root directory /.Trash1000 or something.
[12:59] <superkuh> The .Trash-1000 thing is 1000 = UUID of the user that moved the item to the trash.
[12:59] <superkuh> So it could be slightly different.
[12:59] <superkuh> Anyway, find those and see if there's something funky going on with them or in them.
[13:00] <superkuh> Also, I hate to be windows, but did you try rebooting? Or restarting the X desktop?
[14:08] <superkuh> While we're on the subject, does anyone know how the Trash applet figures out where all the Trash folders are? Does it have a config somewhere or is it hardcoded? Is there a trashappletwidget.c somewhere?
[14:18] <superkuh> Welp, I looked through all the source for the trash applet and it is not apparent where it finds all the trash directories it displays.
[14:19] <alkisg> afaik for the /home partition it goes under /home/username/.local/share/trash, while for the other partitions it goes under /.Trash-1000
[14:19] <alkisg> the main point is to avoid moving files between partitions
[14:20] <superkuh> Sure. But how does the trashapplet know?
[14:20] <alkisg> no idea, i imagine there's a gvfs call for it
[14:20] <superkuh> Something  gvfsd-trash.
[14:21] <superkuh> Ah, gvfs-ls trash:// is what I wanted.
[14:21] <superkuh> At least it gives a list.
[14:22] <superkuh> Er, no, that's only one Trash folder not all.
[18:17] <sixwheeledbeast> I haven't rebooted that would be my first goto if I couldn't fix it another way. I like my uptime.
[18:19] <sixwheeledbeast> there's is about 30Gb of junk in there but no obvious reason I can't open it via caja
[21:34] <bigpod> superkuh: well trash directories are somewhat standard so trashes are at specific directories and my guess is it checks those paths


[08:43] <Fudge> hi the last two days my Thunderbird has been using a lot of CPU, over 100% what can I do to narrow the problem down and give feadback to this team? thunderbird                                  17.0.8+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:00] <Fudge> newer version in the mozillateam ppa seems to have fixed it
[09:00] <Fudge> Preparing to replace thunderbird 17.0.8+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (using .../thunderbird_1%3a24.0~b1+build4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb) ...
[09:01] <Fudge> spoke too soon  4943 rob       20   0 1331m 319m  47m R  167  4.1   0:40.26 thunderbird


[00:30] <amelia__> we just got jumped with a HORRIBLE virus. It was on MSNBC. and our keyboard became unresponsive.
[00:31] <amelia__> it was honking and saying "do not delete this page or your hard drive will crash" and said to call the toll free number on the screen, to press 1 for instructions.
[00:32] <amelia__> there was no number. I think they wanted me to put in my password. I did not. really shook up my husband and myself.
[00:33] <amelia__> finally turned off the computer completely, stared at each other for awhile, started it back up, and there was a long list of things it was "clearing" on upper left hand corner.
[00:33] <amelia__> all appears ok now. is there anything we should do other than report this?
[05:44] <sheik> sex
[05:44] <alkisg> yes we all have one
[05:44] <sheik> really
[07:45] <benno_> hi
[07:47] <benno_> servus
[08:00] <puttimann> quit
[08:01] <ouroumov_> ~
[10:14] <imexil> Hi, I have probably unpopular question. I've upgraded my stock ubuntu to 16.10 and it was working fine. I thought to give mate a try and installed the mate-desktop package. There were some quirks that did not work correctly so I decided to go back to stock unity. Problem is that mate does system changes that are beyond just simple window manager. Now I have problems that my min-display port no longer sees the projector etc.
[10:14] <imexil> So short question is there a way to _cleanly_ remove all the mate components and have the system reconfigure to stock unity without having to do a reinstall?
[10:23] <alkisg> imexil: normally, if you did apt install mate-desktop, now all you need to do is apt purge --auto-remove mate-desktop
[10:24] <alkisg> What is a min-display port?
[10:24] <alkisg> Note that mate is a desktop environment, not a desktop manager
[10:24] <alkisg> *window manager
[10:26] <imexil> alkisg: Thanks. I did that actually already and still have lightdm dialogue with broken graphics (basically some gtk mixture). Mini-display port is basically an alternative to HDMI. I normally have a VGA projector connected via adapter. Under Unity it was dedected w/o problems now with the mate install it just doesn't see any devices connected. Only HDMI will work now :-(
[10:27] <imexil> So I guess I would need som reconfiguring of the ubuntu-desktop in addition to purging mate-desktop
[10:28] <alkisg> imexil: did you actually use the purge --auto-remove command, or some alternative?
[10:29] <imexil> I did use purge, not sure about auto-remove but now that is unfortunately to late.
[10:30] <alkisg> You can still try: apt-get purge --auto-remove
[10:30] <alkisg> See if it lists any packages
[10:30] <alkisg> If you want you can put the list to pastebin before accepting the purge
[10:30] <imexil> IIRC I used purge and then autoremove afterwards
[10:30] <imexil> list is empty :-(
[10:30] <alkisg> dpkg -l '*mate*' | grep ^ii
[10:30] <alkisg> That list is empty too?
[10:31] <imexil> no :-)
[10:31] <imexil> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23343179/
[10:32] <alkisg> You need to remove those as well
[10:32] <alkisg> And maybe even run sudo update-initramfs -u
[10:32] <imexil> ok will purge those and see if things get better. But is there perhaps some kind of repair trigger for the existing packages just to make sure.
[10:32] <alkisg> none that wouldn't have been called automatically
[10:33] <imexil> I see.
[10:33] <alkisg> Unfortunately, mate sets a grub graphics menu, and that messes up some displays
[10:33] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: can we ditch that, and be like all other flavors?
[10:33] <alkisg> It's also incredibly slow on some hardware, e.g. I've seen it need 10 seconds to draw itself
[10:34] <imexil> So if I knew which package from stock ubuntu touches those settings I could trigger a reinstall for that and that might fix it?
[10:34] <alkisg> Normally, no settings are left after a package purge
[10:34] <imexil> well but original settings are not restored either or?
[10:34] <alkisg> So normally no apt-get install --reinstall package would ever fix it
[10:35] <alkisg> Debian policy says that packages cannot touch the configuration files of other packages
[10:35] <alkisg> So there are no original settings to restore, because they're never touched
[10:35] <alkisg> That's why /etc/configuration.d dirs exist, to drop settings there and not need to overwrite other packages' files
[10:36] <imexil> Right. So I need to xplain the debian policy to my non-connecting projector then ;-)
[10:36] <alkisg> Right, that's clearly a bug, not by design
[10:36] <alkisg> For example... let's say that mate drops some grub configuration file to make that graphics menu
[10:37] <alkisg> and it removes it on purge, but forgets to call update-grub
[10:37] <alkisg> That then would be a bug on the postrm script of the mate package, not of the packages you have now still installed
[10:38] <alkisg> Anyway, purge those packages, run update-initramfs -u and update-grub, reboot, and see if it still happens,
[10:38] <alkisg> and if you still have the graphics grub menu
[10:38] <imexil> I understand. OK let me purge those remaining packages and then see if that improves things. Thanks for your help!
[10:41] <imexil> alkisg: Are these warnings something I should worry about: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23343214/?
[10:42] <alkisg> No, as long as all your hardware appears to be working
[10:42] <alkisg> Many firmware files are not distributed in packages due to copyrights
[10:42] <imexil> OK. I'm off for reboot
[10:45] <alkisg> Better?
[10:46] <imexil> alkisg: Now that is interesting. After purging the last mate pakages and running the update commands I NOW have mate-flavoured boot screen (before I still had the standard ubuntu one even when mate-desktop was still installed). Lightdm is still messed up.
[10:47] <alkisg> When you say messed up... can you post some screenshot from e.g. a mobile phone?
[10:47] <imexil> will do.
[10:51] <imexil> alkisg: OK. So I tested and the lock screen looks like it should look like: http://zb.dwe.no/?6d601973599d3a85#AeVVGYIGrGMNCfNuqQ8aP/Z8qjOZH3ofGqAcCiS6OSM=
[10:52] <imexil> but the login screen has some issues: http://zb.dwe.no/?468769496941a8a0#2lYO5YGiP5NGVMcNi0pgVxwcZJxeuiVdwcZkOBqHCK8=
[10:53] <alkisg> imexil: what's the output of this? dpkg -l '*lightdm*' | grep ^ii
[10:54] <imexil> http://zb.dwe.no/?d1f3f900c7e17627#gjnXG3I6Q3HfGCtQxSduPByXjPVTmRV3d0KB2zjv6kk=
[10:54] <alkisg> imexil: remove lightdm-gtk-greeter, and logoff/logon
[10:54] <imexil> OK
[10:57] <imexil> alkisg: Thanks that fixed the login :-)
[10:57] <alkisg> Cool
[10:57] <alkisg> So the displayport is still an issue?
[10:58] <imexil> I have to find out when I'm at the class room again tomorrow.
[10:58] <alkisg> ok
[10:59] <imexil> (was a bit embarrassing today when the projector in todays room ONLY had VGA and no HDMI, so I had to use teamviewer from the room's desktop win machine to present my stuff ;-) )
[10:59] <alkisg> Haha... better use epoptes :D
[11:00] <alkisg> (epoptes.org, classroom presentation and remote control tool)
[11:01] <imexil> Anyway thanks for the help. And I keep you updated. And I'll remember to never mix stock ubuntu with ubuntu mate (my family members run of course mate)
[11:01] <alkisg> Installing multiple desktop environments isn't the best idea, yeah
[11:01] <imexil> Thanks to epoptes tip, never heard of it before.
[11:01] <alkisg> Thousands of schools use it
[11:03] <imexil> Right, Linux only which is a problem since Uni here is Win only (I'm being the exception :-( )
[11:03] <alkisg> Ah yeah we don't care about windows :D we only used them over LTSP...
[11:04] <imexil> lucky you
 flexiondotorg: can we ditch that, and be like all other flavors? -> I second that
[11:17] <ouroumov> Eye candy isn't worth the slew of graphics problems
[11:18] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: to be clear, I'm talking about not having "grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate" preinstalled...
[11:19] <ouroumov> I'd rather default/grub would have GRUB_TERMINAL=console uncommented by default
[11:20] <alkisg> I agree, but that would be a base ubuntu change, not a flavour change
[11:20] <ouroumov> yeah :/
[13:22] <rtinoco> hello guys
[14:43] <lowkey__> Hi, I have been AFK a few hours and on my return the top menu is gone
[14:44] <lowkey__> might be a hibernation or similar issue
[15:02] <nomic> lowkey
[15:02] <nomic> you maybe deleted it
[15:02] <nomic> log off, on again
[15:05] <lowkey__> ubuntu 16.04 has experinced an internal error
[15:07] <lowkey__> did i delete the top(start) menu
[15:10] <lowkey__> more likely that someone is trolling me through my computer
[15:13] <lowkey__> do I use use mate-session-save --force-logout nomic ?
[15:14] <nomic> "top menu" -- you mean the panel
[15:14] <nomic> if you logoff, it should return
[15:16] <lowkey__> but what is the terminal comand
[15:19] <lowkey__> nomic Command ?
[15:21] <nomic> logoff?
[15:21] <nomic> sudo reboot
[15:21] <nomic> try 'please'
[15:25] <lowkey__> mate-session-save --force-logout
[15:32] <lowkey_> I figured out i turned on my reviver that is connected to my HDMI and the PC screen is just and extension after that that only shows the background wallpaper
[15:35] <lowkey_> If you guys had mirror image (same image on all monitor) as default it would be better but then again it is not about making stuff better now is it?
[15:40] <nomic> get lost
[15:40] <lowkey_> i am
[15:40] <nomic> either shut up or contribute
[15:40] <nomic> your problem was sorted, now go away
[15:40] <nomic> or go back to windows, idiot.
[15:41] <lowkey_> I did 8 years ago notting has changed
[15:42] <lowkey_> I would even say it is worse
[17:38] <bert_> bonsoir à Tous , Hello All's
[17:38] <ouroumov_> lo bert_
[17:39] <bert_> lu ouroumov


[09:17] <abattoir> of course, replace filename.bin w/ the actual name of the file...
[09:18] <draik> and don't use the '
[09:18] <abattoir> maninder: but as i said, you might find setting up universe/multiverse and getting packages from there easier
[09:18] <abattoir> draik: aah, yes, thanks :)
[09:18] <draik> abattoir, cya
[09:18] <abattoir> draik: bye :)
[09:19] <draik> abattoir, not cya like "see ya"... cya like "Cover Your @$$"
[09:19] <abattoir> maninder: once you have universe and multiverse setup...
[09:19] <abattoir> draik: heh, lol
[09:19] <abattoir> bah
[09:21] <digivore> !mepis
[09:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mepis - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:21] <digivore> what is mepis?
[09:21] <Mehercle> a distro
[09:21] <aliasfred> isnt that another distribution
[09:21] <abattoir> digivore: which is a kubuntu derivative
[09:22] <aliasfred> ah ok this explain why people come here to ask about it :)
[09:22] <digivore> ohh, ok..    if someone is explaing steps on how to install a USB NIC on mepis would that work also in kubuntu?
[09:25] <digivore> anyone have experience installing a linksys WUSB11 in kubuntu?
[09:25] <SonicChao> How to change login window?
[09:28] <wckdkl0wn> anyone know of a good program for linux that will go to a site u say and download every image on that site?
[09:29] <NamShub> wget?
[09:30] <willnapier> anyone here familiar with problems installing linux on a new intel core 2 duo p965?
[09:30] <draik> wckdkl0wn, do you use firefox (or mozilla)? They have an extension called DownThemAll which does that for you
[09:30] <dein> would anyone like to help me with an update problem?
[09:31] <draik> dein, what's your update problem?
[09:31] <sonny> bonsoir, y a des francais ici ?
[09:31] <dein> 4 possible updates have appeared on adept updater for the past week and a half
[09:31] <aliasfred> !fr
[09:31] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:31] <sonny> merci de l'info !
[09:31] <draik> dein, and? can't install them or what/
[09:31] <sonny> bonne soire !
[09:31] <dein> but when i try to update them, i get 404 errors on all of the packages
[09:31] <draik> ?
[09:31] <aliasfred> sonny: #ubuntu-fr a plus de gens
[09:32] <draik> dein, have you tried through your CLI?
[09:32] <draik> dein,        sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:32] <draik> type that in your konsole
[09:32] <dein> im trying right now
[09:33] <dein> http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c47/vashmoto/dio.gif
[09:34] <dein> Errhttp://au.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/main libtag1c2a 1.4-4~dapper1
[09:34] <dein>   404 Not Found
[09:34] <dein> oops sorry about the link lol
[09:34] <dein> but that's the error i keep getting
[09:35] <proudfoot> hi
[09:35] <Mehercle> hi proudfoot
[09:35] <proudfoot> how do I setup a wireless lan card for kubuntu?
[09:35] <proudfoot> uhm, its reconized
[09:36] <proudfoot> but apparently wlassistant fails to detect the power levels of the access point
[09:36] <proudfoot> reporting everything as -1
[09:37] <aliasfred> !wireless
[09:37] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:37] <draik> backport...
[09:38] <dein> hmmm
[09:38] <dein> didn't notice it was coming from backports
[09:38] <dein> maybe i should try switching to the uk backports repository?
[09:40] <dein> changing to the uk server fixed it draik
[09:41] <dein> thanks for the help
[09:41] <draik> ummm... sure... didn't do anything really, but I guess you're welcome then
[09:41] <Kutan> Hey, what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu again?
[09:41] <Jucato> dein: sorry  just came in. the au.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports have been empty since I don't know when. I've noticed that the other day
[09:42] <sophtpaw> hi
[09:42] <dein> hmm weird
[09:42] <sophtpaw> forgot password to my nick
[09:42] <dein> im switching all my repositories to the uk servers
[09:42] <Jucato> Kutan: Kubuntu = KDE, Ubuntu = GNOME
[09:42] <dein> ive had too many problems with au ones
[09:42] <Kutan> Ah
[09:43] <sophtpaw> hi Guys, forgot my password. Anyone, know how that is recovered?
[09:44] <draik> password to what?
[09:44] <dein> one sec sophtpaw
[09:44] <draik> sophtpaw, password to your kubuntu login? IRC login? to what?
[09:44] <aliasfred> q. i mount a directory on a remote computer thru nfs, and i would like to execute the programm from this nfs, apparently i got some right issue, any idea of where i could look ?
[09:45] <Ashex> okay, this is starting to get to me
[09:45] <sophtpaw> draik: says that my nick is already taken. I'm new to kubuntu. used to ubuntu
[09:45] <Ashex> Grub takes 4 minutes to load
[09:45] <Ashex> It used to take less then 10 seconds
[09:45] <draik> sophtpaw, did you register the nick?
[09:46] <Ashex> I have a sata drive that has kubuntu 64-bit and windows on it (seperate partitions), and an ide drive with kubuntu32
[09:46] <sophtpaw> draik: it is my nick, i believe i registered it a long time ago. I use it on teh ubuntu forums
[09:46] <draik> if you registered it, then you can retrieve it
[09:46] <Ashex> the 64-bit went crazy on me so I had to add the ide drive in and install 32-bit to it, after the install the 64-bit install dissapeared from grub
[09:46] <sophtpaw> draik: well, i don't know the password anymore
[09:46] <draik> do you remember the email address you used to register the nick?
[09:46] <Ashex> is it possible that since I have 2 active partitions, it slows down grub?
[09:46] <Ashex> or is grub just fubar?
[09:47] <sophtpaw> draik: not 100% but i think so
[09:47] <draik> ok
[09:47] <draik> sophtpaw, you have to message an op and see if they can help you get it back... let me find one for you
[09:47] <sophtpaw> draik: thx
[09:48] <draik> sophtpaw, type        /msg lilo I forgot my password
[09:48] <draik> lilo can help you out
[09:49] <draik> sophtpaw, you're welcome
[09:49] <sophtpaw> draik: huh?
[09:49] <Pointblank> hey
[09:49] <sophtpaw> miyu, do you play Go?
 draik: thx
[09:49] <sophtpaw> draik: thx, for what?
[09:50] <draik> that's what you said
[09:50] <Pointblank> is this a support channel?
[09:50] <fdoving> Pointblank: yes.
[09:50] <Pointblank> excellent, i have a question
[09:51] <sophtpaw> draik: i still don't have my password. That command you gave me didn't help. I don't remember saying thx either
[09:51] <draik> !ask > Pointblank
[09:51] <draik> sophtpaw, scroll up... and that command messages someone for you. lilo will get to you in time
[09:51] <Jucato> sophtpaw: scroll up and you'll see you said thank
[09:51] <Jucato> thx*
[09:51] <Pointblank> i have a fat32 partition and i go into disks - partitions, create a folder and enable it so i can acess the files ont he parition which works fine
[09:52] <Pointblank> but eveyrtime i restart i have to do this again
[09:52] <Pointblank> how can i make it permenant
[09:52] <Jucato> !fstab
[09:52] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[09:54] <now3d> Hi, is there a way I can use dpkg to check the md5sums of all installed packages please?
[09:54] <fdoving> now3d: install the 'debsums' package.
[09:55] <aliasfred> good fstab link, i found the option i was looking for :)
[09:55] <aliasfred> aka 'exec' in the fstab line
[09:55] <Jucato> ehehe
[09:55] <Jucato> who knew ubotu could be helpful at times...
[09:56] <aliasfred> well so i believed :)
[09:56] <Pointblank> hey i access the fstab file and my fate2 partition is not listed there, do i just add it?
[09:57] <Pointblank> fat32 even
[09:58] <aliasfred> yep
[09:58] <fdoving> Pointblank: you should consider using /etc/pmount.allow instead of fstab.
[09:59] <fdoving> Pointblank: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions for more information.
[10:01] <Pointblank> nice
[10:01] <Pointblank> ive doen the pmount.allow and i do belive it is working now
[10:01] <Pointblank> thanks
[10:01] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[10:01] <fdoving> it's easier and (often) better than the fstab way :)
[10:02] <fdoving> yes, they do.
[10:02] <Pointblank> yea as you just have to add the partition name instead of all the details
[10:02] <fdoving> Pointblank: as a side note, this will not auto-mount the fat partition at boot.
[10:02] <fdoving> Pointblank: you have to go to media:/ or disks to mount it.
[10:03] <Pointblank> ok i see
[10:03] <now3d> fdoving: Ok, thanks I am testing 2ith "debsums" now. Many packages dont have an md5sums though, do you know why?
[10:03] <Pointblank> brb 5 mins
[10:04] <fdoving> now3d: do you have a example package that doesn't have a md5sum?
[10:05] <now3d> fdoving: ltrace, mawk, mime-support, mount
[10:05] <aliasfred> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions#head-9c1ead18dc7cd4bd83300c275fa72b3e5da182c8 <- reading the motivation of "Why doesn't Ubuntu 6.06 allow me to access my Windows partition straight away?" and i fail to understand. a lot of people complain about this. why not mount it automatically if all the parameters can be guessed ?
[10:05] <now3d> fdoving:  Hmm,i just got this error from debsums:  Reading from filehandle failed at /usr/bin/debsums line 266, <SUMS> line 17.
[10:06] <fdoving> now3d: you can list them with 'debsums -l' actually :)'
[10:07] <Pointblank> ok back
[10:09] <fdoving> now3d: you can use 'debsums --generate=missing' if you know you've got the correct files, and that they haven't been changed.
[10:09] <sf_> how do i change me kwallet password?
[10:10] <fdoving> sf_: open the kwalletmanager, right-click on the wallet -> change password
[10:13] <chopin> i just killed all group execute perms recursively under a directory ... is there a way to chmod -R g+x all directories, avoiding files?
[10:13] <proudfoot> !ndiswrapper
[10:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:14] <proudfoot> blah
[10:14] <proudfoot> !modem
[10:14] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[10:14] <fdoving> chopin: something like: find topdir/ -type d|xargs chmod g+x
[10:14] <chopin> ooh
[10:14] <phreakys> hi there
[10:15] <phreakys> does anyone know if there is an overclocking utility for ati gfx cards on ubuntu?
[10:15] <chopin> fdoving: vielen dank ... that works
[10:16] <fdoving> phreakys: only for nvidia as far as i know.
[10:16] <fdoving> chopin: great :)
[10:16] <phreakys> ah ok
[10:16] <azazel> Bonsoir !
[10:17] <azazel> j'ai une question?Je veux telecharger un truc,bien,mais je prend quois Debian?je suis sous Kubuntu !
[10:17] <fdoving> !fr
[10:17] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:22] <proudfoot> !cn
[10:22] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[10:24] <now3d> fdoving: ok, thanks, could we get them to ship with md5sums files?
[10:24] <phreakys> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-91108.html
[10:25] <phreakys> ati overclocking :-)
[10:25] <fdoving> now3d: you could post bugreports.
[10:25] <now3d> fdoving: could you tell me the bug reporting server pls?
[10:25] <Pointblank> i got another quick question, i installed fluxbox and it comes up at start where you choose kde or gnome but how do i uninstall it now
[10:28] <fdoving> Pointblank: kmenu -> system -> adept manager search for fluxbox  click it, and click 'request removal'
[10:30] <Pointblank> ah nice one, thanks again
[10:31] <proudfoot> !chinese
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <proudfoot> blah, how do I install a chinese langauge pack on kubuntu?
[10:32] <proudfoot> !langauge
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about langauge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <phreakys> anyone experience with rovclock?
[10:33] <D4rkly> has anyone installed the second life linux client ?
[10:33] <fdoving> proudfoot: install the package language-pack-kde-zh
[10:34] <fdoving> proudfoot: that is in kmenu -> system -> adept manager
[10:34] <cvasilak> hello, can someone suggest a video4linux capture client?
[10:34] <dmoyne> hello : ; again has anybody made ldap server work with SSL ?
[10:35] <SonicChao> how do I change the bzckground in konqueror?
[10:36] <fdoving> SonicChao: in filemanager:  view -> setup background.. (at the bottom)
[10:37] <SonicChao> fdoving: Ok, thanks =)
[10:38] <Pointblank> is it possible to get weather applets to add to panels on the desktop?
[10:38] <proudfoot> !help
[10:38] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:38] <Pointblank> without using gdesklets
[10:39] <Flosoft> hey
[10:39] <Flosoft> what app does kubuntu use for the bootsplash?
[10:41] <niroxx> hello, can someone of you download the libary "libglu1-mesa" ?
[10:41] <fdoving> Pointblank: you can use superkaramba, but there is also a weather applet you can access though right clicking on the panel -> add program to the panel... find the weather applet.
[10:42] <fdoving> Flosoft: usplash
[10:42] <Flosoft> thx fdoving
[10:42] <Pointblank> fdoving, i right click on panel and go to 'add applet' and there are no weather ones listed, is it under somrthing else?
[10:43] <fdoving> Pointblank: hmm.. hang on.
[10:43] <Pointblank> that is what i was lookjing for though, instead of through another program like gdesklets or something
[10:43] <fdoving> Pointblank: try to install the package 'kweather' (kmenu -> system -> adept manager)
[10:44] <Pointblank> ok one sec
[10:44] <Pointblank> ah yes this seems to be it, once again thanks :P
[10:44] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[10:46] <skavenge> kweather never seems to work for me, says the station needs to be updated
[10:47] <lotusleaf> skavenge: use the weather applets from gnome instead
[10:47] <Pointblank> yes i just noticed that
[10:47] <skavenge> they wont add to the panel will they?
[10:47] <lotusleaf> skavenge: in gDesklets, they work for me ;)
[10:47] <lotusleaf> skavenge: I've never tried that
[10:47] <Pointblank> nah it says that the weather stattion does not exist
[10:47] <skavenge> lol well im not gonna run gdesklets just for weather heh
[10:48] <Pointblank> yea thats why i was looking at this
[10:48] <lotusleaf> skavenge: there should be some weather app aside from kweather which drops into panel
[10:48] <Pointblank> yea
[10:48] <Pointblank> none of the stations seem to work for me
[10:48] <lotusleaf> skavenge: kweather's always crashed for me at random times anyway
[10:48] <lotusleaf> skavenge: like kbear
[10:48] <lotusleaf> skavenge: both kbear and kweather I avoid like the plague ;)
[10:49] <skavenge> maybe ill look for one in superkaramba
[10:49] <lotusleaf> skavenge: good idea ;)
[10:49] <Pointblank> whats superkaramba?
[10:49] <lotusleaf> !superkaramba
[10:49] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[10:49] <skavenge> Pointblank: pretty cool little tool that lets you pick and download all these apps to display -alot- of different things on your desktop
[10:49] <Pointblank> kinda like gdesklets or better?
[10:50] <lotusleaf> Pointblank: yup
[10:50] <Pointblank> does it use a lot of memory while running in backround or is it smooth?
[10:51] <skavenge> smooth for me and i have barely any ram (512)
[10:51] <Pointblank> ok cool il give it a go :P
[10:51] <skavenge> and i use a big info deal called specstatus that uses fake transparency etc and it doesnt hog at all
[10:52] <Pointblank> sweet sounds good i am downloading it now
[10:54] <Pointblank> is liquid weather any good?
[10:54] <Pointblank> or is there a better weather app avaiable with superkaramba
[10:55] <lotusleaf> mythtv also has a weather app, doesn't it? :)
[10:56] <skavenge> Pointblank: looks like the only one i see really
[10:56] <Pointblank> do i have to download from their website? i thought it would auto install through superkaramba but it doesnt seem so
[10:56] <skavenge> nope it just points you to it
[10:57] <skavenge> save it somewhere then do 'install local theme' from the superkaramba window
[10:57] <Pointblank> ah i see
[10:58] <Pointblank> its opening it in kate
[10:58] <Pointblank> is that correct?
[10:58] <Pointblank> and then i save it?
[10:59] <whiskers> i need help with mpeg video files, i can play them, but i dont get any sound
[10:59] <lotusleaf> has anyone tried the game: http://dark-oberon.sourceforge.net/  ??
[10:59] <whiskers> i get sound in other applications though
[10:59] <skavenge> Pointblank: well i'd right click and 'save link as' personally
[11:00] <Pointblank> ah k
[11:00] <Pointblank> also
[11:00] <Pointblank> the current version requires two other things
[11:00] <Pointblank> imagemagik
[11:00] <Pointblank> and pyqt
[11:01] <Pointblank> do i need to install those aswell or are they allready installed?
[11:01] <skavenge> im checking now
[11:01] <lotusleaf> Pointblank: if it needs them, install them :)
[11:01] <Pointblank> kk
[11:01] <Pointblank> lol
[11:01] <Pointblank> i was just wondering if they were allready on :P
[11:02] <skavenge> mine works
[11:02] <skavenge> must be installed
[11:02] <Pointblank> nice
[11:02] <skavenge> wow thats fancy ;) a little large though
[11:02] <Pointblank> hmmi was hoping for something compact, maybe it can be made smaller with a little settings editing
[11:03] <skavenge> looks like that may be it for size
[11:03] <Pointblank> something like the size of kweather, but something that works unlike kweather
[11:03] <lotusleaf> there's always gdesklets which has several weather applets to choose from :)
[11:03] <Pointblank> i have gdesklets but i found it slowed my computer down a bit
[11:04] <lotusleaf> really?
[11:04] <Pointblank> or might have been my imagination, does it use a lot of memory/cpu while runningin background
[11:04] <Pointblank> i found it wasnt as fast as without them
[11:05] <Pointblank> i havent used them in a while though
[11:05] <lotusleaf> Pointblank: perhaps it would depend on the applet(s) loaded?
[11:05] <skavenge> omg you can add a webcam to liquidweather, thats slick, theres one near me on the harbor
[11:05] <lotusleaf> Pointblank: not in my experience but YMMV
[11:05] <Pointblank> i did have about5 applets running
[11:05] <Pointblank> awesome
[11:05] <Pointblank> where abouts are you? UK?
[11:05] <Pointblank> woo its finished downloading
[11:06] <skavenge> u.s. .. its a big app size wise though, maybe ill just run it on my second desktop or something
[11:06] <Pointblank> yea
[11:07] <Pointblank> how do i change the location, i cant see any where to do it
[11:08] <skavenge> at the bottom put your city in the weather.com search then add it to the 'locations'
[11:08] <skavenge> its insanely close for me and i live in the sticks in the midwest, its getting its info from a spot about 20 minutes away from me heh
[11:09] <Pointblank> at the bottom where? theres no textbox or anything
[11:09] <skavenge> you did right click and go to configure theme right?
[11:09] <Pointblank> ah no, i thought configure theme would just be colours and stuff, my bad
[11:10] <skavenge> ah, yeah, what i said earlier is under the 'location' tab
[11:10] <Pointblank> i got it now :p thanks
[11:10] <Pointblank> now where can i find a webcam
[11:11] <skavenge> says its got a plugin for 'kxdocker' .. hmm
[11:11] <skavenge> !info kxdocker
[11:11] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 253 kB, installed size 832 kB
[11:11] <skavenge> interesting
[11:11] <whiskers> i read the wiki and i still cant get sound for my mpeg files, and one of the files the wiki says its in the repositories
[11:12] <whiskers> libxine-extracodecs isnt in there
[11:12] <skavenge> have you enabled universe and multiverse repositories?
[11:12] <whiskers> yes
[11:12] <skavenge> !info libxine-extracodecs
[11:12] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[11:12] <skavenge> well its in multiverse, thats where i got mine from ;)
[11:13] <Pointblank> woah this is annoying, i keep changing the place in the settings but it sticks on wellington
[11:14] <Pointblank> damnit it wont get off wellington
[11:14] <skavenge> click on 'update' in the right click window
[11:14] <Pointblank> yea
[11:14] <whiskers> its not there
[11:14] <Pointblank> and then it does the update, refreshes, and its back on wellington
[11:14] <skavenge> whiskers: you did sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs?
[11:15] <whiskers> i have adept open
[11:15] <skavenge> Pointblank: maybe try the reload theme option
[11:15] <skavenge> whiskers: try it from cli
[11:15] <whiskers> and i pasted the name in
[11:15] <skavenge> konsole
[11:15] <whiskers> ok
[11:15] <skavenge> you may get an error which might tell us whats going on
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper> whiskers: don't forget to close adept first
[11:16] <skavenge> TheGateKeeper: yeah right good call ;)
[11:16] <whiskers> libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:16] <whiskers> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:16] <whiskers>  :(
[11:16] <Pointblank> hey skavenge, the reload theme worked
[11:17] <skavenge> whiskers: your running dapper right? my apt is seeing it
[11:17] <whiskers> yes
[11:17] <whiskers> kubuntu 6 LTS
[11:17] <fdoving> whiskers: you need to have the multiverse repository enabled to get that package.
[11:17] <fdoving> !multiverse
[11:17] <whiskers> is that thw cd says
[11:17] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:17] <whiskers> i have them all turned on
[11:18] <fdoving> did you run 'apt-get update' or 'fetch updates' in adept?
[11:18] <fdoving> after enabling the repositories.
[11:18] <whiskers> i clicked fetch updates
[11:18] <skavenge> either that or something may be wrong with the sources.list then because the package is in the repos ;/
[11:18] <TheGateKeeper> whiskers: put this into konqueor --> apt:/show?libxine-extracodecs
[11:18] <whiskers> ok
[11:19] <whiskers> it says no package found
[11:19] <whiskers> and im on a ubuntu site that syas it has the file but so far all the dowload locations are missing the file
[11:20] <whiskers> ok i found one that works
[11:20] <TheGateKeeper> whiskers: me thinks it's time for this: ---> http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[11:20] <fdoving> whiskers: please go though this guide one more time: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#head-775cf32093c1bb05fef1e24465c9be753d760275
[11:20] <whiskers> ok
[11:20] <Pointblank> im off everyone, thanks for all the help
[11:21] <fdoving> bye pointblank.
[11:21] <skavenge> yeah something tells me mutliverse isnt actually enabled right now
[11:21] <skavenge> cya Pointblank
[11:21] <Pointblank> cyas
[11:21] <whiskers> ohhh
[11:21] <whiskers> i have to type stuff in? i just clicked and chose enable on them
[11:22] <icheyne> is there a good network monitor that lets me see bandwith down and uploaded on a graph?
[11:22] <lotusleaf> icheyne: gkrellm
[11:22] <lotusleaf> !gkrellm
[11:22] <ubotu> gkrellm: multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client] . In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.7-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 388 kB, installed size 948 kB
[11:23] <icheyne> thanks lotusleaf
[11:23] <icheyne> I'll check that out
[11:23] <icheyne> :)
[11:23] <lotusleaf> icheyne: there are many other options as well, yw
[11:23] <fdoving> icheyne: ntop is nice too, might be overkill. nload could work.. console only though.
[11:24] <lotusleaf> icheyne: gkrellm has a lot of cool plugins
[11:24] <skavenge> tons heh
[11:24] <icheyne> something simple and with a gui and graph is ideal
[11:25] <lotusleaf> icheyne: ksysguard may have that option
[11:25] <icheyne> lotusleaf, I tried kysguard but I couldn't get it to work
[11:26] <icheyne> I'm just trying gkrellm
[11:26] <icheyne> looks interesting
[11:26] <lotusleaf> icheyne: did you drag the network selection so it would work?
[11:27] <icheyne> lotusleaf, I selected ra0 - the name of my network interface - is that what you mean?
[11:28] <grizzly> dpkg -i /var.../archives/bum.deb gives dependency problems, now I can apt-get and download each dependency seperately,
[11:28] <grizzly> but isn't there something better? Like drab all dependencies?
[11:29] <lotusleaf> icheyne: that's odd, it works for me ;/
[11:29] <lotusleaf> icheyne: but gkrellm looks better IMO :)
[11:29] <icheyne> lotusleaf, thanks
[11:29] <icheyne> :)
[11:29] <lotusleaf> icheyne: yw
[11:29] <fdoving> icheyne: ksysguard works nicely. you just have to make a new 'work sheet' (don't know if that's the correct name, translated on the fly from norwegian). then drop the send and recieve data sensors into the work sheet. and you've got a nice GUI graph.
[11:30] <grizzly> Or plz tell me the  a way to install old version of apps from archive folder.
[11:30] <lotusleaf> fdoving: beautiful detail ;)
[11:30] <lotusleaf> fdoving: which probably explains why it didn't work for him because the default screen for plots is full ;)
[11:30] <icheyne> fdoving, I tried that - took me a while to work it out - but no graph data came up
[11:30] <icheyne> weird
[11:31] <lotusleaf> icheyne: is it working in gkrellm?
[11:31] <icheyne> I can't see a graph
[11:31] <lotusleaf> ;/
[11:31] <icheyne> but I can see there is an activity in gkrellm
[11:31] <icheyne> there's an internet option
[11:32] <icheyne> fiddling with it now
[11:32] <lotusleaf> =)
[11:35] <icheyne> fdoving, which sensor is best just for getting an idea of the bandwidth?
[11:35] <icheyne> the tcp packets one seems to log every single packet
[11:35] <fdoving> icheyne: data transmit and recieve
[11:36] <icheyne> and slowly
[11:36] <icheyne> ah I see them
[11:36] <icheyne> hang on
[11:37] <proudfoot_> hi people
[11:37] <fdoving> hi proudfoot_.
[11:40] <fdoving> icheyne: this is my setup: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/ksysguard-network.png
[11:41] <fdoving> icheyne: as you can see i have transmit/data and recieve/data in the first graph.. and transmit/packets and recieve/packets in the second graph.
[11:41] <icheyne> cool
[11:41] <icheyne> just trying to bring it up now
[11:41] <icheyne> for some reason xchat is not associated with firefox
[11:41] <icheyne> hang on
[11:41] <soulrider> hey there
[11:41] <fdoving> icheyne: to make more room on the 'sheet' use the properties in the edit menu.
[11:41] <soulrider> is anyone here int he kubvuntu fold@home tea ,?
[11:41] <soulrider> team*
[11:42] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:42] <shadowr3d> yay
[11:42] <shadowr3d> im not banned anymore
[11:42] <shadowr3d> waaaaaaaaaahooooooooooo
[11:42] <icheyne> fdoving, thanks so much
[11:42] <icheyne> that's very cool
[11:43] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:43] <icheyne> I can't work out how to make the Y-axis easier to understand
[11:43] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:43] <icheyne> it does not demarcate itself at all
[11:43] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:43] <icheyne> but it's a good start
[11:43] <fdoving> shadowr3d: welcome back, and now behave nice, and enjoy :)
[11:43] <shadowr3d> ok
[11:43] <shadowr3d> who r you
[11:43] <shadowr3d> hello yango
[11:44] <shadowr3d> please dont ban me anymore
[11:44] <fdoving> shadowr3d: saying hello 3 times in a row within the same minute isn't considert nice behaviour. it's noisy and annoying.
[11:44] <shadowr3d> ok
[11:44] <shadowr3d> sorry
[11:44] <shadowr3d> does anyone have winxp?
[11:44] <fdoving> shadowr3d: if you're looking for general chat, you should visit #kubuntu-offtopic - since this is strictly a support channel.
[11:45] <icheyne> fdoving, thanks again - I'll head off
[11:45] <icheyne> night
[11:45] <icheyne> :)
[11:45] <shadowr3d> I do need help
[11:45] <fdoving> icheyne: you're welcome, bye. :)
[11:45] <ubuntu> hi ppl
[11:46] <shadowr3d> hello
[11:46] <shadowr3d> fdoving
[11:46] <shadowr3d> i need support
[11:46] <fdoving> shadowr3d: if you need help, please compose a question with details on the problem, what you've done to try to solve it, and so on. and ask. don't write random stuff to the channel hoping for someone to ask you questions about your problem.
[11:47] <alexandros> hello all :)
[11:47] <fdoving> hi.
[11:47] <Alvin> need help how to install skype please
[11:48] <fdoving> !skype
[11:48] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:48] <shadowr3d> o ok then how do make a sound card work on xp because i've tried using the device manager ive also tried looking up the manufactures website but it wont work
[11:48] <Alvin> thank you
[11:48] <fdoving> shadowr3d: this channel is for Kubuntu (http://kubuntu.org) support, not Windows XP.
[11:48] <alex_akos> (ROLF)
[11:49] <shadowr3d> what is the channel support for xp then?
[11:49] <shadowr3d> do they have one
[11:49] <lotusleaf> shadowr3d: WinXP? You mean you haven't upgraded to Ubuntu yet?
[11:49] <fdoving> shadowr3d: i don't know, you could try #windows or #winxp or something like that.
[11:49] <shadowr3d> yes i have kubuntu
[11:49] <shadowr3d> o ok
[11:49] <shadowr3d> i dual boot
[11:49] <shadowr3d> im using kubuntu right now
[11:49] <driz> Hey guys i need help to install easyubuntu
[11:50] <lotusleaf> shadowr3d: do a /list and look for windows related channels
[11:50] <fdoving> !easyubuntu
[11:50] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[11:50] <fdoving> driz: ^^
[11:50] <shadowr3d> ok
[11:50] <shadowr3d> thanks
[11:51] <fdoving> shadowr3d: you're welcome. in the future try to write more than one word on each line, as one word per line is considered noisy.
[11:52] <shadowr3d> its because i always get connected to this channel and i dont know anymore channels so thank you for the /list
[11:53] <||Dragon||> Oi alguem pode me ajuda?
[11:53] <||Dragon||> No consigo instala o amsn
[11:53] <word> !es
[11:53] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:54] <soulrider> !br
[11:54] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[11:54] <word> ah yes didn't quite look like spanish
[11:54] <||Dragon||> Thanks , i go to ubuntu-pt
[11:54] <||Dragon||> ;D
[11:54] <soulrider> ;)
[11:54] <soulrider> ^_^
[11:55] <||Dragon||> ;D
[11:55] <fdoving> :)
[11:55] <||Dragon||> But, i need install packges of tcltls, and my ubuntu not install
[11:55] <||Dragon||> the packges
[11:56] <shadowr3d> how can i get more games on kubuntu
[11:56] <shadowr3d> oops sorry
[11:56] <soulrider> lol
[11:56] <fdoving> shadowr3d: use adept manager (kmenu -> system -> adept manager) to install games and applications.
[11:56] <soulrider> there are better clients than aMSN in my opinion
[11:57] <shadowr3d> how can i get more games on kubuntu ive tried the adept package manager and i got some game but i want more is there a website i can go to?
[11:57] <fdoving> ||Dragon||: you should enable the universe repository.
[11:57] <||Dragon||> o soulrider, better clients?
[11:57] <fdoving> !universe
[11:57] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:57] <soulrider> yes
[11:57] <||Dragon||> hmm fdoving thanks
[11:57] <soulrider> Kopete is better than aMSN and so is GAIM
[11:57] <||Dragon||> ;D
[11:58] <soulrider> linuxgamers.org ?
[11:58] <soulrider> or somehting like that
[11:58] <shadowr3d> fdovin could you help me
[11:58] <fdoving> shadowr3d: probably not, if it is game related i don't know anything.
[11:58] <soulrider> as i said
[11:58] <soulrider> there sa site called linux gamers
[11:58] <soulrider> check it out
[11:58] <||Dragon||> I  use Gaim in my pc
[11:59] <fdoving> i only do tetris
[11:59] <shadowr3d> whats the site?
[11:59] <soulrider> GAIM is cool :)
[11:59] <soulrider> google it, i cant remember
[11:59] <shadowr3d> ok ill try
[11:59] <skavenge> anyone here real good with ipods? ive managed to hose mine pretty good, i need to like totally wipe it competely and start from scratch, anyone know a good program/way to do this?
[11:59] <AZ_AS> freshmeat.net or happypenguin.org might have some more but the games included in the repos are good enough for me for now :)
[11:59] <soulrider> no idea
[11:59] <||Dragon||> i not have install Kopete
[12:00] <shadowr3d> itunes ipod restore
[12:00] <soulrider> Kopete comes with kubuntu
[12:00] <fdoving> shadowr3d: http://linuxgamers.net/ maybe?
[12:00] <shadowr3d> ok
[12:00] <shadowr3d> ill try it thanks
[12:01] <||Dragon||> but i not use Kubuntu, I use Ubuntu, but in my ubuntu have programs of kde
[12:01] <||Dragon||> because i have downloaling this
[12:01] <shadowr3d> what is kopete
[12:02] <dthacker> Does adept really have a user handbook?  When I hit F1, nothing happens?
[12:02] <fdoving> shadowr3d: there is also http://www.linuxgames.com/ and http://www.happypenguin.org/ - kopete is a Instant Messenger client. supports multiple protocols..
[12:02] <shadowr3d> ok thank you
[12:03] <fdoving> dthacker: doesn't KDE helpe center start?
[12:04] <dthacker> fdoving: shiny new install, adept was the first app I started up.
[12:04] <fdoving> dthacker: i don't think there is a adept manual yet, no. but KDE Help Center should start, and tell you that it can't find the docs.
[12:04] <dthacker> I will exit adept and try help center
[12:04] <shadowr3d> which ubuntu is better
[12:05] <fdoving> shadowr3d: depends on who you ask, as you ask in #kubuntu we will tell you that Kubuntu is the best. If you ask in #ubuntu they will tell you Ubuntu is the best, and similar for #edubuntu and #xubuntu..
[12:05] <shadowr3d> o ok
[12:05] <shadowr3d> wait is kubuntu already out
[12:05] <Tm_T> Kubuntu <3
[12:05] <Tm_T> fdoving: ;)
[12:05] <shadowr3d> i mean xubuntu
[12:06] <fdoving> it's like asking at the Mercedes store, what car to buy.
[12:06] <slow-motion> n8
[12:06] <dthacker> fdoving: at the risk of being a heretic :), the first thing I've been asked to install on my fresh Kubuntu 6.06 LTS is .....gaim.   I've clicked off installed packages and tried a search, no dice.
[12:06] <xav__> ubuntu is real funny. it transformed gnome vs kde flamewar in ubuntu vs kubuntu ones ...
[12:06] <xav__> really doesn't make any sense to have one new distrib name for each desktop you use
[12:06] <kieselsteini> xav__: hehe....
[12:07] <lotusleaf> xav__: fluxbox vs. openbox!
[12:07] <xav__> yes lets do fluxbuntu
[12:07] <xav__> and openbuntu
[12:07] <lotusleaf> xav__: nubuntu has fluxbox doesn't it?
[12:07] <kieselsteini> btw. which desktop environment is more used at the moment: gnome or kde...
[12:07] <dthacker> blackboxbuntu
[12:07] <lotusleaf> cliubuntu!
[12:07] <kieselsteini> icebuntu :)
[12:07] <xav__> kieselsteini: no clue, both are not bad, so both are widely used
[12:07] <fdoving> dthacker: did you run 'fetch updates' first? first button from left. in adept.
[12:08] <xav__> windowbuntu
[12:08] <kieselsteini> or Ubuntu TWM Edition
[12:08] <lotusleaf> lookingglassbuntu
[12:08] <kieselsteini> hrhr
[12:08] <dthacker> fdoving:  I will do that after reboot.  I need to check network connectivity and eliminate other human errors. tnx
[12:08] <xav__> kieselsteini: oh, I want that one
[12:08] <lotusleaf> ratpoisonubuntu?
[12:08] <Tm_T> emacsubuntu
[12:08] <lotusleaf> :P
[12:08] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:09] <shadowr3d> how do i get shipit free xubuntu
[12:09] <Tm_T> you don't (?)
[12:09] <lotusleaf> shadowr3d: download it, burn it, and ship it to yourself
[12:09] <shadowr3d> hahahha
[12:09] <lotusleaf> :)
[12:09] <shadowr3d> how
[12:09] <xav__> lotusleaf: hey, good idea
[12:09] <shadowr3d> where do i download it


[07:21] <amish>  Hi! I need some help here. I have a laptop with intel core i3 + amd radeon r5 m330. I am running ubuntu 16.04. It has xserver-xorg-video-ati installed but I cannot use the amd card for games. It always uses the intel card. steam system info also shows only intel card. Can someone help me?
[11:56] <mamarley> ricotz: I did get 381.09 uploaded to my staging PPA.


[00:38] <rick_h_> nullspace: doh, dude!
[00:48] <nullspace> rick_h_: sorry about this
[00:48] <nullspace> she is having some stomach issues and doesn't want to be left alone
[00:50] <nullspace> we can wait a week or work something out tomorrow as I've got a half day tomorrow
[00:51] <rick_h_> yea, can't tomorrow. I can bring next week
[01:46] <snap-l> http://miek.nl/files/go/
[01:46] <snap-l> Blazeix: ^^
[01:48] <Blazeix> thanks
[03:53] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/a-vehicle-for-the-drummer-on-the-go
[11:22] <rick_h_> the last paragraph ftw http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2012-June/120512.html
[11:26] <snap-l> Um...
[11:27] <snap-l> as a former system admin who liked the consistency of his system-level packages, I take issue with that. ;)
[11:27] <rick_h_> :)
[11:30] <snap-l> Virtualenv and the package management make it very easy to get a level of consistency, but if one machine barfs on the "foour or five" commands, and leaves it in an inconsistent state, I want to a system that can get it back up to speed quickly
[11:31] <rick_h_> I don't see how it does anything to the system. a simple rm -rf gets things cleaned up
[11:31] <snap-l> I can do a quick rpm command to check the integrity of the package
[11:31] <snap-l> and do a multi-ssh to see what versions of packages are on the system
[11:31] <snap-l> with RPM or deb
[11:32] <rick_h_> for p in packagedir; cat `bin/pip freeze`
[11:32] <snap-l> I can also put additional scripts into the rpm or deb packages to do post-install cleanup
[11:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: That assumes that pip didn't bomb halfway through
[11:33] <snap-l> or that one of the files didn't get corrupted on dis
[11:33] <snap-l> k
[11:33] <snap-l> Developers have a hard time realizing that what their sysadmins do is more like a MASH unit
[11:34] <snap-l> triage quickly, determine what can be salvaged, and work from there
[11:35] <snap-l> And God help him if one of his 4 or 5 commands is "curl gihub.com/..."
 There's a paddling waiting for him
[11:36] <rick_h_> bookie used to do that to carry around a version of the parser stuff from git
[11:37] <snap-l> but yes, virtualenv makes it very seductive to just go rm -rf virtualenvdir and reinstall
[11:37] <snap-l> and if I was dealing with a package-level corruption, I'd probably do that first
[11:37] <snap-l> possibly a mv to see what happened
[11:37] <rick_h_> triage :)
[11:37] <rick_h_> make clean && make
[11:38] <rick_h_> there's your triage
[11:38] <rick_h_> fail again...punt to the dev "it's broken!"
 I'm going to have to install java. son of a ... (separate work item for the day)
[12:00] <shakes808> lol. But Java is good. It contains caffine. You can get it all sorts of ways. I prefer mine in a Frap! :D  ;)
[12:32] <brousch> rick_h_: Java? You finally moving the Eclipse like real coders?
[12:32] <rick_h_> no, but the yui3 gallery build system uses ant
[12:33] <rick_h_> so if I want to get my code into the yui3 gallery...an ant'ing we will go
[12:33] <rick_h_> I'm having a good OSS day. Adding code to yui3 gallery for all to share/love.
[12:33] <rick_h_> pep8/ing adding code to the pep381client
[12:33] <brousch> You're a good man
[12:34] <brousch> I got an email this morning. My PyOhio talk was accepted
[12:34] <rick_h_> heh, we'll see how happy he is to get "PEP8 all the things!" as a MP comment
[12:51] <brousch> rick_h_: I assume you also got an email
[12:55] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, got the email
[12:55] <rick_h_> you get in?
[12:55] <brousch> I did
[12:55] <rick_h_> awesome
[12:55] <shakes808> brousch: congrats ;)
[12:56] <brousch> Yeah, well yesterday I thoguht I was out and free. now the weight is back!
[12:56] <rick_h_> https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch so so awesome
[12:56] <shakes808> which one did you end up deciding on? You should record it :D
[12:56] <rick_h_> widox: Blazeix jrwren ^
[12:56] <brousch> shakes808: PyOhio records and posts all videos
[12:56] <rick_h_> shakes808: all the talks will be recorded and put on the site, pretty quick to
[12:56] <rick_h_> they tend to get them up in 24-48hrs
[12:57] <brousch> I don't know what to think about that pedal. It is so crazy, but so awesome
[12:58] <rick_h_> yea, funny
[12:58] <brousch> What other things can we take from sewing machines?
[12:59] <brousch> So my problem is I have RLS and my legs bounce all day long. The pedal would not work for me
[13:02] <brousch> Hah, awesome.  I thought I had all their albums.
[15:44] <snap-l> I think it's Funky Hell on Phase Two
[15:44] <snap-l> er, sorry, Phaze Two
[15:45] <snap-l> I only have that one
[15:48] <snap-l> Sheesh, keeping up with Bill Leeb is almost a full-time job. ;)
[16:08] <brousch> I think I'm going to print out rick_h_'s bookie Makefile and tape it to my monitor for reference
[16:16] <rick_h_> brousch: clean it up while you're at it please
[16:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: It'd be like correcting the spelling mistakes of the bible.
[16:55] <snap-l> or correcting the perspective of the Mona Lisa
[16:55] <snap-l> unthinkable.
[17:08] <rick_h_> I'm letting my boy down http://goo.gl/EppiF
[17:20] <brousch> snap-l: More like correcting Shakespeare's grammar
[17:24] <jrwren> now i have intermix in my head
[17:26] <brousch> rick_h_: Letting him down because you gave him a GUI right away?
[17:27] <rick_h_> because I've not taught him bash and put him behind a computer at all and he's coming up on 3
[17:27] <greg-g> rick_h_: is that the john goerzen post?
[17:27] <rick_h_> shoot, he just started getting to watch a movie about 2mo ago
[17:28] <rick_h_> greg-g: not sure, some guy with this 3yr old loading up startx/xmonad/tuxpaint
[17:28] <greg-g> ah, yeah, that post is great
[17:28] <greg-g> that's the guy who wrote offlineimap
[17:28] <rick_h_> ah, nice
[17:29] <greg-g> yeah, good guy
[17:32] <brousch> rick_h_: OMG, you have already stunted his development!
[17:32] <brousch> Mine was using Gnome as soon as he could sit up. Now he uses ChromeOS
[17:33]  * rick_h_ hangs head in shame
[17:33] <jrwren> good luck.
[17:33] <brousch> But you need to have computers that you don't mind being destroyed, because it will happen
[17:33] <jrwren> my 5yo barely has mouse skills.
[17:33] <jrwren> i'm hoping she gets better when she can read so I can show her some BASIC
[17:33] <brousch> George is 4 and is quite good on the touchpad
[17:34] <greg-g> yeah, I'm keeping my old ps/2 keyboard just for Rowan
[17:34] <brousch> He learns to spell the words most important to him so he can type them in youtube "thomas" "muppets" "star wars"
[17:34] <rick_h_> "son, this is a unicomp...it's built like a tank. Yes, that's a challenge..."
[17:34] <greg-g> this x200s will probaby be his first comp :)
[17:35] <brousch> also his password, which is a mixture of letters and numbers
[17:35] <greg-g> is it l33t sp3@k?
[17:36] <brousch> Once he was able to do things on his own computer (Youtube, Nick jr, PBS Kids) he stopped climbing on my wife and I when we were on our computers
[17:36] <greg-g> "Finally! ME TIME! Only took 4 years"
[17:37] <brousch> Nah, 2.5
[17:37] <brousch> That's why you start them early ;)
[17:37] <greg-g> whew
[17:37] <greg-g> only 2 more years to go
[17:38] <brousch> Assuming you don't have another one in the meantime
[17:38] <greg-g> my alone time now is post 8:30 and that doesn't last long since I'm definitely waking up before 6am
[17:38] <greg-g> right
[17:38] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, kid bedtime ftw!
[17:42] <brousch> I got some tea and a tea steeping thingy at Teavana.  Django changed the project layout in 1.4. Now stuff has shifted around
[18:21] <jrwren> yup
[18:21] <jrwren> much nicer now
[18:41] <jrwren> because brousch loves responsive design: http://aids.gov
[18:42] <brousch> You are giving me AIDS because I like responsive design?
[18:42] <jrwren> nope
[18:42] <jrwren> its a great example
[18:42]  * greg-g hangs head
[18:42] <brousch> pretty nice
[18:52] <_stink_> greg-g++
[18:55] <jrwren> you guys have aids?
[18:55] <jrwren> I didn't know.
[18:56] <brousch> Is it normal to end up with leaves and such in my tea after I pour it?
[18:57] <jrwren> hrm... lets see.  tea in cup, water of tea, poor water over tea, yup, there will be tea leaves since you put 'em tehre.
[18:59] <brousch> seems excessive
[18:59] <brousch> maybe i'll pull the basket out first
[18:59] <jrwren> basket?
[18:59] <jrwren> oh you are using an infuser?
[19:00] <brousch> I guess. It's a little metal mesh basket that keeps the leaves out of the tea, but when I pour some of the leaves go out too
[19:00] <brousch> So if I remove the infuser first it should keep the leaves out
[19:01] <jrwren> i don't use those, so I don't know :)
[19:01] <brousch> Ah, much better. Only 1 leaf
[19:02] <brousch> And the container has a little holder for the basket when it's out of the water, so I guess this is the right way
[19:02] <jrwren> damn, you are making me want tea
[19:04] <brousch> This flavor seems to have no actual tea in it
[19:05] <brousch> http://www.teavana.com/the-teas/herbal-teas/p/pineapple-kona-pop-herbal-tea
[19:07] <brousch> They had some freakish teas that come in a little ball, then in the the water they open into what looks like a whole plant and flower http://www.teavana.com/tea-products/tea-cups-mugs/travel-tea-cups/p/teavana-tea-rhapsody-glass-tea-tumbler?cm_sp=Recos-_-ProductPage-_-1&cm_vc=pdpz1
[19:10] <snap-l> MB Temperature:    +61.0°C  (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C)
[19:10] <snap-l> Wondering if I should just shut it down
[19:29] <rick_h_> ok, how rude am I?
[19:30] <greg-g> quite
[19:30] <rick_h_> ok, then I'm going to do this
[19:30] <greg-g> :)
[19:31] <rick_h_> https://github.com/buriy/python-readability/issues/23#issuecomment-6489123
[19:31] <rick_h_> as long as I'm keeping in character
[19:31] <rick_h_> and booya! for my port working where the original fails! :)
[19:33] <brousch> I cannot upvote your comment. Lame.
[19:34] <rick_h_> and sweet to have the webui to just check how I do rendering that page :)
[21:33] <rick_h_> lmao https://plus.google.com/photos/104234302931579992973/albums/5756568210679822001/5756568210416502146
[21:37] <greg-g> rick_h_++