[12:43] <sivang> jordi: Howdy :)
[01:47] <hashar> doh
[01:47] <hashar> need to convert my applications language files to .po .pot :p
[02:47] <ddaa> jamesh: I'm looking into integrating python with gedit. I have setup a trivial "python hello world" plugin already and looked at pyphany for inspiration, but I was quite scared by all the GNU standards goo and glib-gtk-gnome voodoo that involved.
[02:49] <ddaa> jamesh: do you know some synthetic online resources about making a gnu standards compliant package (autoconf-automake-gettext-libtool-pkgtool-whatever), using the pygtk binding generation magic, and that sort of things
[02:50] <ddaa> also, using the gnome terminal widget to hack toghether a python console instead of the hack used by pyphany
[02:50] <ddaa> (though I could cannibalise that one easily)
[02:51] <ddaa> also I'm unclear about how I should handle the "provide python support for gedit" case. Should I make a python loader plugin that supplement the plugin dialog of gedit, or should I look for a way to make it seamless?
[03:18] <sivang> hey ddaa
[03:18] <sivang> ddaa: some interesting stuff you do there :) you want to turn gedit to a Python IDE ?
[03:19] <ddaa> Just dicking around.
[03:19] <sivang> ddaa: what ado you want to do python plugin for gedit?
[03:20] <ddaa> I have some ideas about where I would like to go. Mostly, I got there from gobby.
[03:20] <ddaa> I was interested in collaborative text editing for a little while, and gobby is most promising project I have found so far. But it's C++, so I will not contribute to it directly for fun.
[03:21] <sivang> I see. does it allow concurrent modifications?
[03:22] <ddaa> sabfl suggested integrating collaborative editing into gedit, so I'm thinking about making python binding for gedit, binding for gobby, then glue that toghether.
[03:22] <ddaa> sivang: I talk about it a bit in my blog
[03:22] <sivang> Gobby looks pretty nice, yeah
[03:22] <sivang> ddaa: can I please have the link?
[03:22] <ddaa> http://ddaa.net/blog
[03:22] <sivang> ddaa: thx
[03:23] <sivang> ddaa: was trying to ping jamesh about lpint-bonobo, is he supposed to come online today?
[03:24] <ddaa> It's sunday. Sometimes people are around sometimes not. They are really required to be there only on weekdays.
[03:25] <sivang> ddaa: k, was just asking no demands posted :)
[03:25] <sivang> ddaa: libre software link is broken, btw
[03:25] <ddaa> ha?
[03:25] <ddaa> bah, only one I did not test
[03:25] <sivang> ddaa: in the *very* intersting essay you have there on the first palge :)
[03:26] <sivang> ddaa: s/palge/page/
[03:27] <ddaa> fixed link, thanks
[03:28] <bob2> nifty
[03:29] <sivang> ddaa: no prob, nice story. I wish more companies would have worked that way :)
[03:30] <ddaa> That's quite 21st century thing, and it's quite difficult and relies on a limited pool of intelligent and higly motivated individuals. I'm not sure how far it can scale.
[03:30] <sivang> ddaa: probably true. I can see lost of the "corporate" way of doing things compensates for lack of competence or skills :-/
[03:31] <sivang> s/lost/lots/
[03:31] <ddaa> Yeah, Sturgeon's law.
[03:31] <ddaa> 99% of everything is grunge.
[03:31] <ddaa> 99% of programmers are not good programmers.
[03:32] <ddaa> and 99% of execs are probably completely unable to work in such a setting.
[03:46] <sivang> ddaa: anyway, there is  alot more then just doing stuff efficiently and with quality in the distributed development school,
[03:47] <sivang> ddaa: it becomes plain fun :)
[03:48] <ddaa> somehow things seem to get less fun when you are paid for doing them, but as job goes that's a a good company.
[03:49] <ddaa> even though some people may disagree, for understandable reasons
[03:50] <sivang> ofcourse. I think that it taking efforts in supporting what I think its a revolution, even if the work is less fun now and then, the general goal is till worth while and can give motivation.
[03:50] <sivang> s/its/is/
[03:50] <sivang> (e.g., supporting open source, ppromoting it, making it accessible to everyone)
[03:53] <ddaa> I'd like to discuss that more, but I have some IRL appointments
[03:53] <ddaa> things like walking around in a park with family
[03:53] <sivang> ddaa: sure, thanks for chatting
[06:12] <sivang> hey Keybuk , 'sup?
[06:16] <Keybuk> hey
[07:59] <seadog_> hi
[07:59] <seadog_> any rosetta admin online?
[08:06] <seadog_> ok then :) bye
[09:50] <kostkon> hi
[09:52] <kostkon> i was doing a little of translating and I stumbled across these "_". Are these mnemonics, do we have to honour them. New to translation stuff.
[09:54] <kostkon> anyone?!


[04:16] <r4y> Unit193 I should recap what I think happened, but I guess I should install Ubuntu 12.04 before doing so but I want try the versions of Ubuntu I recently downloaded that I am still trying to upload
[04:17] <r4y> I did a lot of messing around with flash on Ubuntu 12.04 before coming here for help from you. Thank you very much for talking to me and trying to help me.
[04:19] <r4y> OK, so what I think happened was that I must have installed flash under one of these locations: usr/lib/firefox/plugins or usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[04:19] <r4y> manually that is
[04:20] <r4y> but I must not have kept up with it because there were 3 locations I knew about at the time
[04:20] <r4y> It was suggested that this path be made: usr/lib/flash-plugin
[04:21] <Unit193> Yeah, that's pretty much why it's best to update from repos.  You should/can try   sudo updatedb && locate libflashplayer
[04:22] <r4y> but what happens is after loading a video the file libflashplayer I am sure that it gets copied to usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[04:22] <r4y> And the same is true if it is put into this path: usr/lib/firefox-addons
[04:23] <r4y> Also libflashplayer will work under the path: usr/lib/mozilla
[04:24] <r4y> but for me it doesn't work under there 2 paths: usr/lib/mozilla-firefox and usr/lib/adobe-flash
[04:24] <r4y> I meant these paths not there paths
[04:25] <r4y> Anyways, so I added up the total possible paths and there are six paths, no wonder I am confused
[04:26] <r4y> And I am not sure I agree with what you just said, but I want to agree. I tried every package I could to make this work without messing with the filesystem but I had to step in and do install flash manually
[04:27] <r4y> My suggestion to anyone who has had the problems I had with not getting flash to work would be simular to what you said to do
[04:27] <solarbob> I did a fresh install of ubuntu 12.10  recently. 2 days later I could not get in as if my password was changed. what did I do wrong?
[04:28] <Unit193> r4y: Did you try to locate all flash plugin files?  Better command would be  sudo updatedb && locate -e flashplugin -e libflash | grep so
[04:28] <r4y> Please answer his question
[04:28] <r4y> I will copy your commands to try sometime
[04:29] <Unit193> solarbob: Welp, did you have caps lock?  I would guess you made sure to type it right, and that no one else may have changed it?
[04:29] <solarbob> nope. made sure of that
[04:30] <Unit193> Also that the correct username is selected on login screen.
[04:30] <Unit193> Could look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword as well.
[04:31] <solarbob> made sure of that too
[04:31] <solarbob> I installe over it " erased" did another fresh install
[04:32] <r4y> I should go run some tests, I will be back, and I am sorry about what I said and am saying, thank you for the help Unit193
[04:32] <solarbob> and used encryption this time
[05:16] <r4y> OK, so here's what I think
[05:17] <r4y> I am not sure about all this regarding Ubuntu 12
[05:17] <r4y> But for me Ubuntu 10.04 flash 10.3 or it 10.2 is what works not flash 11.2
[05:19] <r4y> and it has to be in one of these 2 paths out of 6 possibles paths because even though there are 4 paths out of 6 that will work 2 of those paths get the flash file copied to the one of the 2 other paths
[05:19] <holstein> ubuntu 12.04?
[05:19] <r4y> usr/lib/firefox/plugins and or usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[05:20] <r4y> Ubuntu 10.04
[05:20] <holstein> 11.2?
[05:20] <r4y> 11.2 doesn't work for me
[05:20] <holstein> ok.. flash 11.2.. gotcha
[05:20] <holstein> r4y: for you?
[05:20] <Unit193> r4y: Alrighty, what about linking from one location to the other, so if there are updates, you just replace one file?
[05:20] <r4y> flash 10 works
[05:21] <r4y> I am not sure about linking, it's not something I've got into all that much
[05:22] <Unit193> Alrighty, well good that you got it.
[05:22] <r4y> I remember linking for something and having it not work in the long run but I am not a Linux guru and that was along time ago
[05:24] <r4y> I feel like someone needs to get this working right for Ubuntu 10.04 users. I mean I wonder how many Ubuntu 10.04 users know of this or don't have this problem or they don't know they have this problem with Ubuntu 10.04
[05:24] <holstein> r4y: sure.. but that "someone" is adobe, and the wont
[05:25] <r4y> I guess it doesn't matter since a lot of Ubuntu users have moved on to Ubuntu 12 so
[05:25] <holstein> r4y: i use chrome, since the bundled flash in 32bit seems to work a bit better
[05:25] <r4y> I think you are right they want people to be up to date with adobe flash
[05:25] <Unit193> Indeed, security reasons.
[05:27] <r4y> O well
[05:29] <r4y> Well, that's all I can think to say about. Sorry for all the trouble and thank you for listening and being kind.
[05:38] <r4y> Thank you both again for being cool
[05:40] <Unit193> Heh, you're welcome, but didn't actually really help with your flash issue. :P
[05:40] <r4y> Take care and have a nice night. Also to Unity193 I have tried both theremixes of Ubuntu Gnome. One didn't work because of my cpu and the other didn't have what I wanted. I have kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386, lubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386, and xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386 ready to be put onto a flash drive to try out
[05:42] <Unit193> CPU?  Does it not support PAE?
[05:42] <Unit193> grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
[05:42] <r4y> Because of not having the hardware on this motherboard for 3d acceration I wasn't about to use one of the virtual programs, and another one I tried didn't work, but I think it was the one that didn't work with the cpu on this compute
[05:42] <r4y> I don't know
[05:43] <Unit193> Aha, alrighty.
[05:43] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1599518/
[05:44] <r4y> It's an emachines computer
[05:45] <r4y> The graphics card is built into the motherboard and doesn't have a PCIe slot like my other motherboard has
[05:45] <r4y> Just saying with regard to not being able to use the graphics card from that computer
[05:46] <r4y> Because of the program called Test drive an Ubuntu ISO
[05:47] <Unit193> Cool, at least the newer kernels will work. :)
[05:48] <r4y> I tried virtualBox OSE, but I remember using VMWare before with success, but I think I had to signup to use VMWare
[05:49] <r4y> Take care, bye
[05:51] <r4y> Ah, OK, sorry I wasn't sure what you meant, duh, I needed to think about what you said. Too much stress I guess. I recently pulled my lower back but I am better today then yesterday.
[05:53] <r4y> I've put too much abuse on my body over the years which is the problem, I have a know that will not go away but I think that knot is smaller then it used to be.
[05:53] <r4y> Well, anyways, take care and thank you for the input
[06:20] <r4y> One more thing. I had to un-install adobe-flashplugin in order for flash to work for me when using Ubuntu 10.04
[06:20] <holstein> ?
[06:20] <holstein> r4y: you got it working now?
[06:20] <r4y> Yes
[06:21] <holstein> r4y: so, everyting is fine, then?
[06:21] <r4y> Ubuntu restricted extras is installed but nothing related to flash is installed otherwise other then flash 10.3 which I manually installed
[06:21] <r4y> Yep, all is working now
[06:25] <losticeberg> how can i get my wireless card working on ubuntu 12.1
[06:26] <holstein> losticeberg: 12.10
[06:26] <holstein> !broadcom
[06:26] <losticeberg> yes
[06:26] <holstein> !wifi
[06:26] <ubot2> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[06:26] <ubot2> Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:26] <holstein> losticeberg: really depends on what you got
[06:27] <holstein> losticeberg: i would just wire up to internet, and see if you get a notification about a restricted or extra driver
[06:27] <losticeberg> i have a dell inspion 6000 ive 2 diffrent inturnal cards
[06:27] <holstein> losticeberg: if not, then just follow the guides above... the top on is for broadcom
[06:27] <holstein> losticeberg: the model of the laptop wont help
[06:28] <holstein> losticeberg: its all about the chipset.. the links above show how to determine what you have and what you need
[06:29] <losticeberg> thankyou that may actually help
[10:08] <shieh> my synaptic package manager language changed to chinese.how can i fix it?
[10:10] <shieh> no idea?
[10:21] <Space-Duck> I'm currently running Mint 14 and I want to switch to Ubuntu... Can I install ubuntu without wiping out my /home directory (it's on it's on partition)? If so, how?
[15:03] <unix1> can anyone tell me how to detect a probe or some type of attack with syslog?
[15:05] <unix1> hello?
[15:07] <fego> 4
[19:08] <phillw> Hi, this a dumb n00b question, but why does launchpad refer to GPG keys as PGP?
[19:09] <Unit193> Pretty Good Privacy is what it stands for, GNU/Privacy Guard is the opensource version, IIRC.
[19:09] <Unit193> !gpg
[19:09] <ubot2> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[19:10] <phillw> Unit193: thanks
[19:13] <phillw> Unit193: so, for the purposes of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Section2#Adding_your_GPG_key_to_your_Launchpad_account I need just tell them to click on the little yellow icon to the right of OpenPGP keys: Update OpenPGP keys
[19:14] <Unit193> I'd say so, if that's what the interface is.
[19:14]  * Unit193 heads of to clear drive of snow.
[19:14] <phillw> Unit193: to be able to register bugs, it is required you have a GPG key on your LP account. This was news to me!
[19:15] <phillw> we are snow free here now :)
[19:24] <cprofitt> philballew: ping
[21:21]  * IveBeenBit is away: Nobody's home!
[21:21]  * IveBeenBit is back (gone 00:00:06)
[21:21] <Unit193> !away | IveBeenBit
[21:21] <ubot2> IveBeenBit: Please do not use noisy away messages and nicks in Ubuntu channels. It is annoying and unnecessary. Use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines»
[21:47] <danny> any good websites to learn debian commands for terminal
[21:49] <geirha> in less than a minute?
[22:52] <Frim> Can anyone help install problems with Ubuntu 12.10?
[22:53] <Frim> Ubuntu 12.
[22:54] <wytsa> what is the problem?
[22:55] <Frim> Ubuntu 12.10 doesn't complete the full installation from a burned ISO DVD disk while retrieving the language pack.
[22:55] <wytsa> hmm not sure what to say atm
[22:56] <wytsa> i just installed a 12.10 copy myself but can see what i canhelp with
[22:56] <wytsa> but i was installing to a virtual comp not a regular one
[22:56] <Frim> yea, I've been checking the forums.  I saw some thing about the splash screen  while install causing the problem.
[22:57] <wytsa> there might have been an error on the disc in that section
[22:57] <Frim> I'm using an old Compaq nx9010 laptop
[22:57] <wytsa> did you select to update while installing?
[22:58] <Frim> I used the check disk feature with Ubuntu before the install, and I checked the hard drive through bios.  Everything checked out OK.
[22:59] <wytsa> in the setup did you select to update? and are you connected to the net on that laptop?
[23:00] <Frim> Yes, I choose the update option first, than without, with complete erase for both, with password..nothing works.
[23:00] <Frim> I'm connected online
[23:00] <wytsa> hmm
[23:01] <wytsa> im sure there are others here that could help alot more than me but i'll see what i can do
[23:01] <wytsa> can you try the "try ubuntu" option and see if that will work?
[23:02] <wytsa> not install to disc
[23:02] <wytsa> but just try
[23:02] <wytsa> you should be able to install after if it will get in on the try option
[23:03] <Frim> I did try first, than install, but I keep ending up with an error page, with my cursor that continues to spin
[23:04] <wytsa> so it does the same with both try and install?
[23:04] <Frim> yes
[23:06] <Frim> the files on the disk are situated the way the Ubuntu website suggest, so I believe the DVD is correctly burned.
[23:07] <wytsa> im really not to sure what else is causing the issue
[23:08] <Frim> Just a thought, initially, when I downloaded 12.10, I choose not to donate, but then went back to donate than download the second time.  Would that have had an affect on the download?
[23:08] <wytsa> but it would seem that ether the files on the disc are having an issue with being read or it is something else
[23:08] <wytsa> not that i am aware of
[23:09] <Frim> I don't know.
[23:13] <Frim> thanks for your help
[23:14] <wytsa> sorry i could not help much more
[23:16] <Frim_Fram> thanks anyway, glad it was able to work you...I'll get it envetually
[23:19] <Frim> Ubuntu 12.10 doesn't complete the full installation from a burned ISO DVD disk while retrieving the language pack.  I'm using an old Compaq nx9010 laptop. I used the check disk feature with Ubuntu before the install, and I checked the hard drive through bios. Everything checked out OK.  Yes, I choose the update option first, than without, with complete erase for both, with password..nothing works
[23:36] <phillw> Frim: can you please run the self test on the DVD to ensure everything is there correctly, the loss of a byte or two, can create real problems.


[00:00] <khaeru> I mean, should I expect better power consumption from an LPIA kernel than an i386 kernel on an Atom processor?
[00:02] <ogra> well
[00:02] <ogra> i personally didnt see any
[00:02] <ogra> though you might see speedups
[00:02] <khaeru> Hm
[00:02] <ogra> the lpia kernel is M686 while the -gerneic one is M586
[00:02] <khaeru> Alright
[00:02] <khaeru> IC
[00:02] <khaeru> OK, thanks a lot for answering my questions :)
[00:03] <khaeru> Bye
[00:03] <ogra> but with either of them the test device i ran it on survived 5h
[01:14] <NCommander> davidm, so how goes dinner?
[01:42] <playya> fuck
[01:42] <playya> tried to setup openembedded in a makefile to compile ubuntu-mid
[01:43] <playya> ln -sf Makefile Makefile is evil
[01:43] <playya> everythings gone :'(
[01:47] <playya> me too
[01:47] <playya> good night
[02:23] <davidm> NCommander, just back, had to run out to a town meeting, seems we need some extra power lines
[02:23] <NCommander> ah fun
[02:23]  * NCommander just fixed mono on armel :-)
[02:23] <davidm> cool
[02:24] <NCommander> Between mon and tslib, we should be fairly close to getting desktop installable
[02:24] <NCommander> (GTK is now installable)
[02:25] <NCommander> *mono
[02:25] <davidm> Woot, that is good news, but lets take this into #ubuntu-arm :-)
[08:56] <humancat> isnt aufs should work automatically? for example linpus format and automount SD card if inserted to slot in this aspire one laptop. and in ubuntu aufs even isnt running by default...
[08:57] <humancat> actually i use generic ubuntu
[09:05] <humancat> HELLO ANYBODY HOME? :D
[09:06] <humancat> if not i probably should steal something...
[09:06] <humancat> :D
[09:08] <humancat> lol
[09:10]  * persia needs more than 15 minutes sometimes :(
[09:42] <ogra> did you check what he stole ?
[09:51] <persia> The only thing I found missing was a sense of continuity.  Do you see anything?
[09:53] <ogra> heh
[09:53] <ogra> no, nothing :)
[16:26] <superm1> on the umpc image, is there any particular reason that the initrd isn't shipped in casper/ like the rest of the ubuntu disks?
[16:26] <persia> Because it used a special different build system.
[16:27] <persia> There was a bug about that (although I've forgotten the number), and it's expecting to be closed in the next couple days (ideally for Alpha 1)
[16:27] <superm1> surely a simple mv command could be added to this build system though
[16:27] <superm1> okay
[16:27] <ogra> its being redone anyway atm
[16:27] <persia> Well, there are other issues with it, like the lack of .disk, etc.
[16:28] <ogra> .disk is there
[16:28] <superm1> .disk was in the 8.10 gold image as i can see
[16:28] <ogra> else we wouldnt be able to use UUID
[16:28] <superm1> casper would likely freak out then
[16:28] <ogra> yep
[16:28] <persia> Oh, cool.  I missed that that was fixed.
[16:28] <superm1> the squashfs is however built still with livecd-rootfs though right?
[16:28] <ogra> jaunty images are built by the normal build system though
[16:29] <ogra> yeah
[16:29] <ogra> that wont change
[16:29] <superm1> ah okay, then moot point
[16:29] <ogra> but the vfat image buildprocess changes


[00:26] <geosmile> anyone here using grafana?
[04:22] <geosmile> 1.19.1-1~bionic -> with-http_geoip_module - how do i get this on ubuntu nginx installs?
[09:59] <ggmatth> geosmile: I think the http_geo_module is already installed, check the output of nginx -V and check if --with-http_geoip_module= is included as an option
[10:00] <ggmatth> then you're ready to go
[17:59] <FaTaL_G> sometimes when my ubuntu box starts up, the bridge does not come up correctly, and I have isc-dhcp-server bound to br0. When this happens, dhcp fails to start. Can I delay it, or make it depend on br0, or even make it come up even if br0 doesn't?
[18:46] <RoyK> FaTaL_G: I'd try to find out why the bridge doesn't come up correctly first
[18:51] <FaTaL_G> RoyK, it says my gateway is incorrect but thats not true
[18:51] <FaTaL_G> I dont have to change anything, I just ifdown -a ifup -a, and it works fine.
[18:52] <FaTaL_G> reading numerous posts from others online for years, Im not the only one with this issue. People have been hacking interfaces, load init scripts, etc... for a damned long time. even in 18.04 and 20.04
[18:53] <FaTaL_G> I recently put bridgewait to 30 to see what happens/
[18:58] <RoyK> it might be something specific to ubuntu, then, not sure. I don't use ubuntu on servers anymore. But - a friend of mine does and I helped him setup his 18.04 with a bridge like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6jrsq95NJm/
[18:59] <RoyK> no hacks, just simple interfaces
[19:00] <FaTaL_G> agree
[19:01] <FaTaL_G> the only thing I see you did that I once did and undid based on some advices I read, was that I **do not** iface the adapters ahead of time. bridge_utils says not to.
[19:02] <RoyK> it's been some years since I pieced together this config and it's worked for a long time, so really, I don't care
[19:02] <FaTaL_G> :)
[19:02] <RoyK> at least two friends of mine have the same running on ubuntu and debian
[19:02] <RoyK> so I won't "fix" it
[19:02] <FaTaL_G> I was not suggesting you should
[19:02] <FaTaL_G> I wass just noting the only difference we have.
[19:02] <RoyK> then at least we agree :)
[19:03] <FaTaL_G> Imean, I dont use x.y.z for ips, and my adapters are like 6 to your 1 (well 2).... but thats obvious
[19:03] <RoyK> x.y.z are just replacement for those octets
[19:04] <FaTaL_G> The fact that it is functional sometimes and not others, seems to agree with the thoughts numerous people have posted about race conditions
[19:04] <FaTaL_G> I know
[19:04] <RoyK> can you pastebin your config?
[19:04] <FaTaL_G> and ifup and down being enought to make it work is even more ironic
[19:05] <FaTaL_G> sure
[19:06] <FaTaL_G> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JwV4yChptx/
[19:07] <FaTaL_G> eno1 is the internet facing. wireless is finicky and not being used right now.
[19:10] <RoyK> try to up the interfaces before using them as bridge ports, like I do
[19:13] <RoyK> btw, how are you planning to use four interfaces for a single bridge?
[19:17] <FaTaL_G> RoyK, not sure what your question is - it works perfectly
[19:17] <FaTaL_G> The answer would be, just as you see it there now
[19:17] <FaTaL_G> With wireless, I actually use 6, I use 5 without wireless
[19:18] <FaTaL_G> The machine is the router on the network. So these adapters jobs are to be a bridge, and allow dhcp and packet routing through them
[19:20] <FaTaL_G> Im hoping the bridge_maxwait will make a difference. Mine may have issues because I have to wait for so much hardware. And I didn't see a default bridgewait time on the bridgeutils page. So apparently that means it doesn't wait.
[19:27] <RoyK> FaTaL_G: I'd use nic bonding/teaming for that, given the switch supports it
[19:27] <RoyK> FaTaL_G: is the idea to add redundancy or just bandwidth?
[19:34] <FaTaL_G> neither
[19:34] <FaTaL_G> Do you have a home router?
[19:35] <RoyK> obviously, but it's a pile of shite
[19:35] <FaTaL_G> well, mine is this box
[19:35] <FaTaL_G> so each ethernet port is a port serving data to (for example) 6 machines
[19:36] <RoyK> how is this wired?
[19:36] <FaTaL_G> each ethernet port is part of the same network, but each port does not require an ip
[19:36] <FaTaL_G> I explained above
[19:37] <RoyK> do you monitor the traffic over each of the NICs?
[19:37] <FaTaL_G> eno1 is the internet facing port. The other ports, all on br0, are serving firewalled internet to the rest of the houses switches, routers, tv's, desktops, etc
[19:38] <RoyK> sure, but do you monitor nic traffic?
[19:39] <RoyK> because I somewhat doubt that arp will be able to handle four MAC addresses and balance the load across them
[19:39] <FaTaL_G> I explained that this works
[19:39] <RoyK> well, do you monitor the NIC traffic?
[19:39] <FaTaL_G> sure.
[19:39] <RoyK> how?
[19:41] <FaTaL_G> I've been using numerous methods and experimenting with the tools available. I recently removed pf_ring (and nbox etc) since the license expired, before paying for it again Im going to use the free version.
[19:42] <RoyK> munin is simple and free if you just want basic monitoring and somewhat nice graphs
[19:42] <FaTaL_G> I'll check that out
[19:42] <FaTaL_G> there are soooooo many
[19:42] <RoyK> I know
[19:42] <FaTaL_G> and there is no simple pfsense for ubuntu ;)
[19:43] <RoyK> I stick to zabbix, but it takes a while to getting to know it. munin installation is a mere apt install away
[19:44] <FaTaL_G> I was annoyed at the discontinuity between pf_ring and nbox/ntop builds, updating nightly, and pf_ring was tainting the kernel. Figured I'd clear that our and add again with something differnt
[19:44] <FaTaL_G> I have FIOS. It would be neat if I could bond/team to the fiber... 10GbE anyone?
[19:45] <FaTaL_G> I've had 984/984 but with adding and removing monitoring and doing tweaks, I've seen it go all over the place
[19:46] <RoyK> as expected, that's only one link
[19:46] <FaTaL_G> but significantly better than the home soho, r7000 r8000 r8500 etc
[19:46] <FaTaL_G> 1998 cell phone processor, or intel i5?
[19:46] <RoyK> lack o LACP?
[19:47] <RoyK> you don't get bonding for "free" - you need to configure it
[19:47] <FaTaL_G> havent heard of it/ what is it?
[19:47] <FaTaL_G> well Im not doing bonding on anything
[19:47] <FaTaL_G> the bridge isnt there to do bonding
[19:47] <RoyK> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation#Link_Aggregation_Control_Protocol
[19:47] <FaTaL_G> and the fios only has one ehternet port
[19:48] <RoyK> Please try to understand here. The ethernet traffic is sent to the MAC address of whatever's in the ARP cache and one IP can only have one MAC address.
[19:48] <FaTaL_G> I don't see any reason to bond anything in my setup
[19:49] <FaTaL_G> I think I do understand.
[19:50] <RoyK> so read up a bit, because I can't walk you through the theory here. Briefly, what you do is setup bond0 or whatever you call it and allow that to bond two or more ethernet interfaces and then configure the bridge to use the bond. The switch must support the type of bonding used, and one of the most used modes is LACP
[19:51] <FaTaL_G> I literally have nothing to bond
[19:51] <FaTaL_G> there is nothing in my network that i can put two cables on to bond them and get more bandwidth or throughput
[19:52] <FaTaL_G> well, I could, but theres no reason to. The network cards you see on the br0, are all serving different machines.
[19:52] <RoyK> linux supports LACP. A lot of switches do as well. What sort of switch?
[19:52] <FaTaL_G> spoke and hub
[19:52] <FaTaL_G> theres no neet to bond anything
[19:52] <RoyK> oh well - good luck
[19:58] <FaTaL_G> I don't know what I'm failing to explain, but I know what bonding is, however I don't see any purpose in establishing a bond from any port to another port, when the ports on the machine we are talking about are serving traffic each over one port to some OTHER device.  I do not have two ethernet ports on this box going to two ethernet ports on another box
[20:11] <RoyK> well, you're on your own, then
[20:36] <FaTaL_G> RoyK, have you a thought on what db to use with zabbix? I have been curious about it for some time and might want to learn it.
[20:37] <RoyK> just start by installing it in a vm or something and add somehosts. I first found the config a bit hard to grasp, but it sticks after a while
[20:42] <FaTaL_G> you didn't suggest a db, and I can use many. You seems to be performance minded from the discussion above, do you have a preference?
[20:49] <RoyK> I use postgresql for everything, really, unless there's a specific need to use something else (as in with wordpress or similar stuff where a lot is hardcoded to mysql/mariadb syntax)
[20:51] <RoyK> or ezpublish, where one of the core developers at least can spell postgresql without a major headache, but apart from that, everything is designed to match up with mariadb
[21:00] <FaTaL_G> thanks
[21:05] <RoyK> This is obviously subjective, but based on my knowledge and experience. Other people will probably disagree, but then, that's how it is to be a nerd ;)
[21:40] <FaTaL_G> RoyK, finding a montioring solution that is pleasant to use, and look at the data, that has easy to use controls/filters, and graphs, while not crushing a systems resources is a challenge, finding it for a price that a home user can swallow is another battle in itself, and of course, finding a db that is fast and trustworthy can be the same challenge, I get it.


[00:11] <blueyed> nobody using amarok with beta ppa?
[00:18] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145722 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp Only check the undo stack emptiness to determine revert-all enabledness. If there's nothing to be undone, there is nothing to revert
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: haha, that code is even broken for the case of a package depending on a virtual package: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=217081
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> They make the toplevel if statement handle virtual packages in its "else" statement, but then try to handle virtual packages in the main "if" part, where packages are gauranteed to be non-virtual :P
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> they might as well port it to mindfsck, place it in an extern {}, and make it totally unmaintainable
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> this is going to be my attempt that this madness: http://paste.ubuntu.com/458934/
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> (Not fully implemented, as notable by the empty else statements in places)
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> the datatype I have to return is pretty crazy, though. :P typedefs aside, it's really returing a "QHash<int, QHash<QString, QMap<QString, QVariant> > >"
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> but any function that returns a variable named failTrain is awesome. :P
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> "This change will break things" dialog: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopzj1560-jpg.jpg
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> luckily the mono stack appears to be broken in maverick, so I have something easy to test :P
[03:04] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145740 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (TODO src/globals.h src/package.cpp src/package.h) Add a showBroken() method to return why a package is currently in the broken state. All aboard the failTrain!
[03:05] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145741 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/ (MainTab.cpp MainTab.h) Use the new QApt::Package brokenReason() method to get a hash of things that could be wrong with a package. Then parse it and give an explanation to the user of why they can't do that
[03:06] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145742 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/MainTab.cpp If somebody tries to keep a package that is currently being removed due to a dependency being removed, we don't really need to give them the whole explanation of why they can't do that
[03:09] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145754 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp Make pressing the upgrade buttons be an undoable action
[03:12] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145761 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp Terminology consistency++
[03:29] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145762 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp (log message trimmed)
[03:29] <CIA-99> Re-merge xapian search code from synaptic. A mismerge made searching for "lib"
[03:29] <CIA-99> hang muon indefinitely. It's still slow, and I should probably thread the search
[03:39] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145765 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/TODO ++TODO
[05:20] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145773 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/CMakeLists.txt Add a check for libdebconf-kde now that libdebconf-kde can be found via cmake
[09:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: more readable already your approach is, but I would start naming variables according to the variable naming rules :P
[09:32] <apachelogger> i.e. lower case :P
[09:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also the == false|true stuff makes it IMHO difficult to read
[09:38] <valorie> " more readable already your approach is "
[09:38] <valorie> yoda speak!
[09:46] <valorie> kubotu: np
[09:46] <kubotu> valorie hasn't played anything recently
[09:46] <valorie> !
[09:46]  * valorie is listening to Bottle of Smoke by The Pogues on If I Should Fall From Grace With God [Amarok]
[14:07] <coz_> hey guys.. ubuntu maverick here with  lde 4.5rc1... I notice with an    application open     if I click and hold left click I get a move cursor...any way to disable that?
[14:08] <mfraz74> oxygen-settings
[14:09] <coz_> mfraz74,  yeah  where exactly are the  "oxygen settings" ?
[14:09] <mfraz74> hold alt-f2 and type oxygen-settings
[14:09] <coz_> ah
[14:10] <mfraz74> I think this should be disabled by default, it is going to annoy a lot of users.
[14:11] <coz_> mfraz74,  this is for sure  let me see if this worked
[14:11] <coz_> mm
[14:12] <coz_> ok that seems to have worked  :)  thanks
[14:13] <mfraz74> would it be considered a bug?
[14:14] <coz_> mfraz74,  well I dont know for sure... I installed this via upgrade from karmic to lucid to maverick  so  I wouldnt go by my experience with this  .. i will clean install later this week to be sure
[14:15] <coz_> it is definitly a nusiance though :)
[14:15] <mfraz74> i'm on lucid with the kde 4.5 beta ppa
[14:16] <mfraz74> it annoyed me too
[14:16] <coz_> mfraz74,  was it a clean install of lucid?
[14:16] <mfraz74> yes
[14:17] <coz_> mfraz74,  oh!! ok then  still I dont think this should be enabled by default... it doesnt fit   with my experience with window management
[14:17] <coz_> sorry about that
[14:20] <coz_> mfraz74,  thanks again guy......... this is much better  :)
[14:21] <mfraz74> coz_: no probs, i was getting really annoyed with it too
[14:21] <coz_> :)
[14:22] <coz_> mfraz74,  I am trying to make my way over to kde from gnome... but both are have irritating "features"  that I dont like
[14:22] <coz_> I do like this beta kde however  but still a few issues for me :)
[14:23] <mfraz74> it is better now that it is in RC than it was when i first started using it in beta 2.
[14:23] <coz_> mfraz74,  for sure... i am impressed and I am a long time kde hater :)
[14:24] <mfraz74> i still prefer kde to gnome except for netbook use, but i may have to change to kde for that too
[14:24] <coz_> mfraz74,  mm I was impressed with the kde netbook as well... it looks and feels much cleaner than   gnome's ...at least to me  :)
[14:25] <mfraz74> at least with kubuntu you only have to download one ISO for both desktop and netbook now
[14:25] <coz_> mfraz74,  yeah  ... that surprised me
[14:26] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145884 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h) Ssshhhhh!
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> >.>
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> ^.^
[14:37] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145886 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MainWindow.cpp Better shortcut
[14:44] <Adityab> I've installed Ubuntu (The GNOMEic version). I need to get a dev environment set up ASAP. I don't have KDE installed from the repos yet. Do I need to install it to get trunk to compile?
[14:48] <Riddell> Adityab: sudo apt-get build-dep kde4libs
[14:49] <Adityab> Riddell: ok thanks
[15:02] <jussi> good morning world...
[15:02] <jussi> errr... afternoon :P
[15:49] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145906 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Acutally make Package::dependencyList() useful
[15:52] <keepitsimple> I have switched to KDE 4.5 RC1 packages from Kubuntu PPA Beta and I see the following problems, 1) when I click on the top right plasma settings I see this: http://db.tt/wR7qeG , and 2) I can only work on one workspace from 4, all other 3 are black see this: http://db.tt/pUrZe0
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> keepitsimple: those are probably related. I'd recommend filing a bug at bugs.kde.org against plasma
[16:16] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145914 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs) Initial bits for the depends tab. Will expand with the option to show Provides. (And reverse-depends, once QApt supports it)
[16:22] <keepitsimple> JontheEchidna: ok, I'll try to do just that
[16:50] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145923 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/ (DependsTab.cpp DependsTab.h) Add support for listing the packages that a package provides in the Dependencies tab. Also, allow differentiation in the depends of the currently-installed package and the latest available package
[17:01] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145926 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/DependsTab.cpp Give a little explanatory text if any of the depend types are empty
[17:34] <CIA-99> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1145932 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Version bump for first alpha release
[17:37] <shadeslayer> any idea where i should put usr/lib/libincidenceeditors.so.4 in kdepim?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> list of install files http://pastebin.com/QM2KUcxu
[17:40] <jussi> hrm, dolphin keep crashing on me - I open it, then open a file, wait a minute or so, then http://paste.ubuntu.com/459162/
[17:41] <shadeslayer> jussi: kde 4.5 ?
[17:41] <jussi> shadeslayer: yes
[17:41] <shadeslayer> well... i havent had alot of experience with backtraces,but looks like a problem in  Qt
[17:42] <shadeslayer> and/or dbus
[17:42] <shadeslayer> jussi: what dbus version?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> jussi: package is  libqt4-dbus
[17:43] <jussi> shadeslayer: jussi@Galaxy:~$ apt-cache policy libqt4-dbus
[17:43] <jussi> libqt4-dbus:
[17:43] <jussi>   Installed: 4:4.7.0~beta1+git20100522-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1
[17:44] <shadeslayer> hmm... i have 4:4.7.0~beta1+git20100522-0ubuntu5 ,which means ( i think ) we should update the ppa with a maverick backport
[17:50] <shadeslayer> jussi: you should poke lex about this :)
[17:50] <jussi> right, thanks!
[17:50] <shadeslayer> or agateau
[17:50] <shadeslayer> since agateau seems to be handling the patches for this
[17:51] <shadeslayer> omg
[17:51] <jussi> ?
[17:51]  * shadeslayer rolls over and doies
[17:51] <shadeslayer> *dies
[17:51] <shadeslayer> kdepim _*finally*_ completes building
[17:51] <shadeslayer> been working on this for a day and a half
[17:52] <shadeslayer> seems blogilo has been removec
[17:52] <shadeslayer> *removed
[17:52] <shadeslayer> also kjots
[18:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: poke
[18:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kubuntu dev week says my session is on 7th , Ubuntu Dev week says its on 13th,what do i do? :P
[18:05] <tsimpson> you have to do it twice :)
[18:06] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: :o
[18:06] <shadeslayer> ok then :()
[18:06] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:28] <shadeslayer> anyone free?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> issue with KDE PIM : kjots wants libgrantlee-dev which is in universe,without it , kjots will not build
[18:30] <shadeslayer> so,we either do a MIR for this or dont build kjots
[18:31] <shadeslayer> please advise :D
[18:39] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: I'd say a MIR, if possible, would be preferred
[18:40] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: hmm.. can you do it? im all backed up with KDE pim and then the kubuntu dev week stuff
[18:40] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: not before next weekend
[18:40] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[18:41] <neversfelde> I'm busy with koffice this evening
[18:41] <shadeslayer> well... anyone else who can do it,please post the bug number here and highlight me
[18:41] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: :)
[18:42] <shadeslayer> im building it with libgrantlee-dev till then from universe
[18:43] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: will debuild -nc do after adding a build dep?
[18:43] <shadeslayer> or do i compile from scratch
[18:44] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: no idea
[18:45] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:52] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: did you get your ubuntu.com address yet?
[18:52] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: nope :(
[18:52] <shadeslayer> still says user unknown in alias table
[18:53] <tsimpson> I guess you should send a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:53] <tsimpson> mine took a few days iirc, but not not that long
[18:53] <shadeslayer> ok..
[18:54] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: ill wait till tommorow ..
[18:54] <shadeslayer> its been 6 days tho.. :P
[18:54] <tsimpson> I doubt anyone would see it until tomorrow anyway
[18:54] <tsimpson> the email, that is
[18:54] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: yeah had to use debuild .... now have to wait for an hour
[18:54] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: ok..
[18:59] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: mail sent
[18:59]  * shadeslayer waits for kdepim to compile ...
[19:08] <shadeslayer> lex79: poke
[19:09] <lex79> hi
[19:09] <shadeslayer> lex79: free?
[19:10] <lex79> yes and no, but tell me
[19:10] <shadeslayer> lex79: can you do a MIR for libgrantlee-dev ? :)
[19:10] <shadeslayer> we need it for kjots
[19:11] <lex79> wont build without it?
[19:11] <shadeslayer> kjots goes into a black hole without it
[19:11] <shadeslayer> it builds fine.. no binary tho
[19:12] <lex79> and cmake what says?
[19:12] <shadeslayer> lex79: it says that grantlee is a optional package
[19:12] <lex79> ok
[19:13] <shadeslayer> ive consulted this with kde-devs
[19:13] <lex79> kk
[19:14] <shadeslayer> kdepim sources are small .. but take up an hour to build :P
[19:15] <lex79> eheh :)
[19:18] <lex79> shadeslayer: did you still have your conversation with kde-devs? to paste in the bug report...
[19:18] <shadeslayer> lex79: sure.. ill pastebin it
[19:18] <lex79> thx
[19:19] <shadeslayer> lex79: http://pastebin.com/wfJNYRHY
[19:20] <lex79> what about blogilo?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> lex79: hmm
[19:21] <shadeslayer> lex79: i think its gone
[19:21] <shadeslayer> well...
[19:21] <lex79> where? :)
[19:21] <shadeslayer> i compiled without grantlee
[19:21] <shadeslayer> so maybe thats why i had no blogilo
[19:22] <lex79> ok, are there other missing build-deps in your cmake log?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> one more.. leeme see backlog
[19:24] <shadeslayer> lex79:  yeah libassuan-dev ... its in main tho
[19:25] <lex79> add it then :)
[19:25] <shadeslayer> done ;(
[19:25] <shadeslayer> ;)
[19:25] <shadeslayer> my keyboard is all sorts of weird
[19:26] <shadeslayer> lex79: weird.. i have it installed and added in build deps,but it isnt picked up
[19:28] <lex79> :(
[19:28]  * shadeslayer pokes Cmake files
[19:30] <shadeslayer> lex79: any ideas on this...
[19:31] <shadeslayer> omg
[19:31] <shadeslayer> we can almost haz apturl support in rekonq
[19:31] <lex79> nope, or cmake buggy or we have a too old version of libassuan, I think the first one :)
[19:32] <shadeslayer> just need to pass the url to apturl and were done
[19:32] <shadeslayer> lex79: hmm
[19:32] <shadeslayer> lex79: theres a seprate cmake file for libassuan
[19:33] <lex79> MIR report done, I'm out for a bit
[19:35] <shadeslayer> lex79: thanks :D
[19:45] <shadeslayer> w00t .. we can haz apturl support in rekonq
[19:52] <jussi> lex79: shadeslayer said to ask you about this dolphin crash... http://paste.ubuntu.com/459162/
[20:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: can you test out a rekonq patch ?
[20:02] <shadeslayer> it has apturl support ...
[20:02] <jussi> shadeslayer: if you build a deb...
[20:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: of course :)
[20:03] <shadeslayer> jussi: ill be building a git package
[20:05] <shadeslayer> jussi: your on lucid right?
[20:05] <jussi> yes
[20:05] <jussi> with the beta ppa
[20:05] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[20:09] <shadeslayer> lex79: all is fine with libassuan
[20:18] <shadeslayer> jussi: uh..do you have a amd64 machine?
[20:18] <shadeslayer> ppa will take too long
[20:18] <shadeslayer> build queue is huge...
[20:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: package will appear https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra
[20:19] <shadeslayer> but might take days to build :(
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> even a simple 5 minute build is backed up 2 hours in the PPAs :(
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> on i386 (amd64 is 20 minutes behind)
[20:21] <shadeslayer> jussi: :(
[20:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: :(
[20:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: please help in rekonq + apturl testing
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: got patch?
[20:22] <shadeslayer> sure
[20:23] <shadeslayer> lemme just upload
[20:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu_01_apturl.patch
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: fails to apply on 0.4.95
[20:26] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:26] <shadeslayer> what does it say?
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> all hunks failed to applyh
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> -h
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> fails to apply against git master too
[20:27] <shadeslayer> uh.. seems to be working in git
[20:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: your applying with p1 right?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, I was doing with p0
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> works with p1
[20:28] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:28] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:28] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: kool :D
[20:28] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: 2 things to test,directly typing apt://foo should list apt://foo as the top most option and the normal apturl links work
[20:29] <lex79> jussi: dunno about that crash, dolphin crash sometimes also in maverick, it's normal :D
[20:30] <shadeslayer> lex79: he has lucid
[20:30] <shadeslayer> also dolphin seems to be working fine
[20:30] <shadeslayer> here... but dragon crashes multiple times :P
[20:30] <lex79> I know, I said "also" in maverick
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> how precise... "Start in 4 seconds (2505)"
[20:31] <lex79> but also in lucid, in karmic, in jaunty... :D
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> of course, it's still saying it'll start in 4 seconds :P
[20:31] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hehe :D
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> ..and it's still saying that ... and still saying that
[20:31] <shadeslayer> lex79: got it :)
[20:31] <shadeslayer> well ... amd64 build started
[20:32] <shadeslayer> i wonder if this has anything to do with me having high karma or something :P
[20:33] <lex79> the only difference about qt in lucid and in maverick is the patch for app menu, not related to dolphin
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: works for me (tm)
[20:33] <shadeslayer> since the build queue is huge...
[20:33] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: w00t
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> both typing apt:/amor, and clicking an apt link
[20:33] <shadeslayer> awesome ...
[20:33] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: also,should i call apturl or apturl-kde ?
[20:33] <shadeslayer> calling apturl atm
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> apturl, apturl will figure out what to call
[20:34] <shadeslayer> means i did it right  :P
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> that way it'd work for a gnomie using apturl-gtk, in theory
[20:35] <shadeslayer> yeah.. i thought so :)
[20:36] <shadeslayer> another feature on http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Roadmap complete
[20:39]  * JontheEchidna sighs at the lack of i386 builds https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt/+packages
[20:39] <shadeslayer> oohh
[20:39] <shadeslayer> muon coming to town
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> yep yep, alpha1, whenever LP feels like buildings its build-deps
[20:40] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: poke me for testing on maverick ;)
[20:42] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145969 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/StatusWidget.cpp Disable this for the moment, not ready
[20:43] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145970 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/ (ChangeLog src/main.cpp) Version bump for alpha 1
[20:44] <CIA-99> [muon] jmthomas * 1145971 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/StatusWidget.cpp Add a space char here
[20:54] <shadeslayer> hahaha http://www.googlubuntu.com/
[20:54] <shadeslayer> this is awesome
[20:59] <shadeslayer> btw does anyone want google bookmarks sync in rekonq?
[20:59] <shadeslayer> im thinking of working on it
[21:07] <neversfelde> Riddell: koffice for maverick in bzr and ninjas. A Lucid backport is ready, I am wating for this build to finish and will upload after it.
[21:11] <neversfelde> the Lucid package could need a bit more testing, I cannot do it atm
[21:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim needs more work and grantlee needs to be moved to main
[21:27] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[21:27] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: o/
[21:28] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep anyways
[21:28] <_Groo_> hey shadeslayer
[21:30] <_Groo_> can the next kde 4.5 rc be compiled with 4.6 in the ppa? cause 4.7 is giving me a lot of headaques
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> O.o http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51382560/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.muon_0.2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> same package with no changes builds just fine in a maverick ppa
[22:00] <lex79> cmake issue I think
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> Any idea how to fix?
[22:02] <lex79> maybe you need the same cmake version that is in maverick
[22:03] <lex79> just a thought anyway :)
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> or maybe pkg-kde-tools
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> but that would be a pain, since it would require new dpkg
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> but it really shouldn't be doing that. It's a normal kde build with a normal cmake file :(
[22:04] <lex79> yes :) or cmake or pkg-kde-tools, but try with cmake before
[22:05] <lex79> I had backport cmake in lucid to backport KDE 4.5 to lucid
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> oh, I'll just copy from the lucid kde ppa then
[22:06] <lex79> yes, there is also pkg-kde-tools 0.8 in that ppa
[22:06] <lex79> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> 386	15	 15386 jobs (four days)
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> 15 builders, 15386 jobs, estimates 4 days :s
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> that's backed up
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> lex79: no luck with both new cmake and pkg-kde-tools, still the same :(
[22:37] <lex79> oh :(
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> I'll try using old kde.mk
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> oh oh
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> maybe it's the kubuntu translations stuff overzealously deleting stuff
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> since my messages.sh is in src/ instead of toplevel


 Happy Friday, and happy Revenge of the Fifth! 😃
[08:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2oMkN3Sfiw
[08:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtqfnp4sWhU
[11:01] <MooDoo> howdy
[11:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: how do owld chap?
[11:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah crackin thanks, ready for the weekend, you?
[11:12] <davmor2> MooDoo: oh hell yes I have been all day :)
[11:13] <davmor2> worked over last night as I have to take wifey off to the hospital before we can go off to the Caravan this week
[11:15]  * Laney is watching http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/electionresults/2017 fill in
[11:16] <davmor2> Laney: sometimes I forget you are a sad lonely muppet and then you come out with things like that ;)
[11:17] <davmor2> Laney: It could be worse of course you could be in the room counting them instead :D
[11:17] <Laney> I BITE MY THUMB AT YOU SIR
[11:18]  * davmor2 awaits the yelp of pain from Laney's direction
[11:20] <davmor2> Oh look at that Wolverhampton Labour no surprises there then
[11:20] <davmor2> Laney: what's the population there that it takes so long?
[11:21] <Laney> Don't think they started counting until today
[11:22] <davmor2> Laney: that would do it then :D
[11:22] <davmor2> lib dems and ukip are the biggest losers
[11:23] <Laney> I reckon it's going blue
[11:23] <Laney> http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/electionresults/2017/DetailedResults
[11:25] <davmor2> yeah that is like the complete reversal of Wolverhampton :D
[11:28] <davmor2> Laney: so what's happening in ashfield with all the independents?
[11:28] <Laney> I wonder!
[11:29]  * Laney doesn't actually live in the county
[11:29] <Laney> must be some local campaign
[11:29] <ali1234> i was just looking at that
[11:29] <ali1234> it's the guy who was kicked out of the lib dems because their are pedo accusations against him
[11:29] <Laney> zadrony or something
[11:30] <ali1234> right
[11:30] <ali1234> he also ran for PCC but lost
[11:30] <Laney> I'm sure I've seen him running for other things too
[11:30] <Laney> seems he found a way in
[11:32] <MooDoo> Laney: yup all blue here, blue won in my village
[11:32] <Laney> blueeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:32] <ali1234> http://www.mynottinghamnews.com/sherwood-by-election-result/
[11:33] <MooDoo> I'm watching it here http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/electionresults/2017
[11:33] <ali1234> my link is for the one seat on the city council
[11:33] <Laney> Yeah the city is a different story
[11:33] <Laney> http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1160/map1.jpg?width=465&height=581
[11:33] <ali1234> which labour retained
[11:40] <davmor2> I'm impressed with the turn out in heathtown, 14,000 here halve that roughly for people eligible to vote and about 2,500 actually did so that isn't too bad
[12:41] <Laney> heh
[12:41] <Laney> now the Mansfield Independent Forum got 4 seats
[12:43] <Laney> maybe they'll get a ........ Coalition Of Chaos
[12:48] <Laney> think the cons have to get all the remaining seats to get their majority now
[12:48] <arsen> you're notts based Laney ?
[12:48] <Laney> nottm, not notts
[12:48] <Laney> but close enough to care
[12:49] <arsen> christ, is that map current?
[12:49] <arsen> very.. red
[12:49] <Laney> lib dems got wiped out a few years ago
[12:49] <arsen> my sis lives in sherwood
[12:49] <arsen> i used to (live with her)
[12:50] <Laney> nice, I'm NG5 too
[12:51] <arsen> interesting, so notts is widely tory, but city is labour
[12:52] <arsen> there was a time when notts was quite libdem :/ back when i voted there.
[12:52] <Laney> there's the shire/city thing
[12:52] <Laney> and some old mining towns and stuff
[12:53] <Laney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_City_Council_election,_2011
[12:53] <Laney> wasn't even much opposition back then tbh
[12:54] <arsen> notts seems to have changed quite a bit since i lived there pre-09
[12:55] <Laney> good pub scene going on now
[12:56] <arsen> would be good to see it - i'm effectively a foreigner now so wouldnt know where to start :D
[17:33]  * brobostigon is back from work.


[00:09] <amurray> hallyn: hey, yeah we don't get a lot of good details on these vulns from intel unfortunately - so we try and do the best with what we have :)
[00:10] <sarnold> hey amurray :)
[00:20] <amurray> hey sarnold :)
[01:55] <hallyn> amurray: oh, no - i didn't mean the USN one was bad - I meant I had followd through to the original cve and another one, and none had good details.
[01:55] <hallyn> Was not complaining about you guys!
[02:42] <amurray> hallyn: 👍
[18:00] <jjohansen> sdeziel: ideally but no there isn't. It is something we need to look at doing, because picking individual patches just hasn't been working
[18:01] <sdeziel> jjohansen: yeah :) thx!


[01:07] <poningru> frack
[01:07] <poningru> the uwn
[01:07] <poningru> anyone doing it or no?
[01:07] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue11?highlight=%28newsletter%29
[01:13] <poningru> someone wanna do a bit about ubucon
[02:06] <Burgundavia> poningru: I will be, but not until later
[02:06] <Burgundavia> feel free to work on it
[02:08] <poningru> Burgundavia: dude how do you get the new applications in edgy?
[02:08] <poningru> my malonefu is not uptofar
[02:08] <poningru> all these years of bugzillafu improvements dont help
[02:09] <poningru> err the list of new applications in edgy
[02:11] <poningru> also are we doing a number on the ubucon?
[02:12] <poningru> since it wasnt technically this week
[02:12] <poningru> it was last week
[02:28] <jdong> oh boy... I know you guys are gonna hate me for suggesting this, but here we go....
[02:28] <jdong> UWN #11 is surprisingly silent about the xorg breakage
[02:28] <jdong> I think the issue deserves mention in the Ubuntu newsletter :-/
[02:28] <jdong> btw thanks for the Backports mention in the newsletter
[02:29] <poningru> Burgundavia: /me is gonna add the xserver stuff
[02:30] <poningru> cant believe /me forgot about that
[02:34] <jdong> thanks :)
[05:24] <Burgundavia> poningru: sounds good. I will be working on it in about 2 hours, for a midnight PST release
[05:25] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[05:25] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[05:32] <elkbuntu> hihi peoples
[05:33] <Burgundavia> hey elkbuntu
[05:33] <elkbuntu> need some help with the UWN?
[05:34] <elkbuntu> give me a holler if you need me
[05:41] <johnlittle> burgundavia: does paul want his name mentioned..the fridge article is attributed to the fridge team
[05:41] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: for which?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: if poningru is not editing, feel free
[05:42] <johnlittle> the sprint article
[05:42] <johnlittle> on UWN 11 it's linked as Paul Sladen's fridge report..on the fridge it's attributed to the fridge team
[05:48] <johnlittle> any ideas for feature of the week?
[06:00] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: we could talk about upstart
[06:00] <Burgundavia> we need to mention that the release schedule for the Knot alpha releases has been set
[06:01] <Burgundavia> or do we have a xubuntu feature?
[06:01] <johnlittle> a xubuntu feature would be cool..i dont have xubuntu though
[06:02] <Burgundavia> I just asked in #xubuntu
[06:20] <johnlittle> I posted a press story, fixed a type, looked for an infamous bug and didn't find one...
[06:20] <johnlittle> er type=typo
[06:22] <johnlittle> not sure how to generate the bug numbers or I'd do that
[06:56] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082501540.html
[06:56] <johnlittle> check the trivia question..I just added a screenshot to UWN
[07:06] <johnlittle> almost 13,000 Indian high schools migrating to linux - http://www.financialexpress.com/latest_full_story.php?content_id=138497
[07:14] <adamant1988> hello all
[07:46] <Burgundavia_> oh, crap
[07:46] <Burgundavia_> wiki down for anybody else?
[07:46] <Madpilot> yup
[07:47] <Burgundavia> well there goes the UWN schedule
[07:47] <Burgundavia> anybody got a recent copy?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu, poningru, johnlittle: given the wiki is down, do you have a more recent copy I can work from?
[08:21] <elkbuntu> sorry. no :(   i sort of forgot about helping :|
[08:21] <Burgundavia> hey, no worries
[08:21] <Burgundavia> RichJ: have you got a recent copy of the UWN. Wiki is dead
[08:21] <nixternal> can't say that i do
[08:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> say somethign else ;)
[08:22] <nixternal> i was working on release notes as well
[08:22] <nixternal> hehe
[08:22] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: my broken record will end when UWN releases
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> Burgundavia, i was refering to nixternal 's 'cant say i do''
[08:23] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> i wouldnt dare give you crap ;)
[08:28] <Burgundavia> <james earl jones voice>that is a good thing</james earl jones voice>

[08:29] <Burgundavia> I am frustrated,
[08:29] <elkbuntu> i can tell
[08:29] <Burgundavia> I wanted to get UWN out and go to sleep, as I am tired from moving all day
[08:29] <elkbuntu> notice how something goes wrong with the ubuntu sites every weekend? It's like there's little or no redundancy :(
[08:30] <Madpilot> the servers want Sundays off too
[08:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, because you are my older brother
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, i thought there is no redundancies
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Madpilot
[08:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, right, therefore it's my natural role in the Universe to give you crap :)
[08:30] <Burgundavia> indeed

[08:31] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, well i put in the 'little or no' bit because i dont know for sure if there's redundancy or not
[08:31] <elkbuntu> if there is any, it sucks :|
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, afaik theres 1 data cenre, and a few independant servers around the place
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> *centre
[08:32] <Burgundavia> most of the ubuntu stuff is a datacentre in London
[08:33] <Burgundavia> I think montreal might now have some servers as well, but I am not certain
[08:33] <Burgundavia> canonical does a weekend admin (who, afaik, is NOT elmo)
[08:34] <Burgundavia> does have a, rather
[08:36] <Burgundavia> thing is, nobody else can release UWN either, because you need me to pass you through the -news moderation
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> phear the Burgundavia ?
[08:38] <Burgundavia> no, phear the crazy amount of rights I seem to have acquired
[08:38] <poningru> a frack
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[08:51] <Burgundavia> ok, cd is done. I am going to bed
[08:55] <elkbuntu> sleep well corey
[08:56] <Madpilot> night
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I just hope  the wiki comes live at some point
[10:07] <elkbuntu> im glad corey didnt try wait up for the wiki... he'd be pretty tired by tomorrow :|
[10:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> wiki back?
[10:14] <elkbuntu> no
[10:14] <elkbuntu> that's my point
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :\
[10:27] <poningru> this sucks
[10:27] <poningru> what was left to be done?
[10:50] <poningru> elkbuntu^^^
[10:55] <elkbuntu> poningru, no idea
[10:56] <elkbuntu> poningru, i got sidetracked and forgot about it
[11:04] <poningru> hmm
[11:06] <poningru> damn it mofo has so much it response system
[11:06] <poningru> you can file a bug and if you mark it critical it pages people...
[11:08] <poningru> err so much better*
[11:12] <poningru> I know right
[11:12] <poningru> jeez I mean wp hosts it in tampa and they rarely go down
[11:18] <poningru> where's the datacenter located?
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> london
[11:22] <Klaidas> Every time I see Kamping_Kaiser I think of a camping Keyser Soze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyser_S%C3%B6ze), lol :)
[11:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Klaidas, :o just reading hte page now :)
[11:32] <mdke> the machine that hosts the wiki is up, I don't think it can be blamed on the DC
[11:34] <poningru> it is?
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Klaidas, cool. i'll remember that as my next identity ;)
[11:35] <Klaidas> :))
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :))
[11:35] <poningru> woah you are right
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Klaidas, now i suppose i have to find the fijml
[11:36] <poningru> its pinging back
[11:36] <poningru> so the apache is down?
[11:37] <KenSentMe> Hi guys
[11:37] <KenSentMe> And gals
[11:37] <Klaidas> sure you do
[11:37] <Klaidas> it's #16 on IMDB
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi KenSentMe
[11:37] <Klaidas> or 15, I don't know :)
[11:37] <KenSentMe> Can anyone be notified that the wiki is down, or do the wiki people already know?
[11:38] <mdke> I've sent a request
[11:38] <KenSentMe> Ah, k
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> KenSentMe, i hope after almost 6 hours (iirc) they would know :|
[11:38] <KenSentMe> Well, i just woke up, so i've just noticed
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:39] <mdke> yeah, there is no point assuming that the admins work 24 hours a day including sundays
[11:40] <poningru> ... get more admins?
[11:40] <poningru> I am sure plenty of people will step up to the plate and volunteer
[11:41] <KenSentMe> poningru: i don't having too many admins is a good idea
[11:41] <poningru> oh?
[11:41] <mdke> poningru: it's not a volunteer job.
[11:41] <poningru> ah...
[11:42] <KenSentMe> For someone to get apache running, means you have to get root/sudo rights. I don't think you should let to many people have root rights to your system
[11:42] <mdke> dude

[11:42] <mdke> you have to be really special already to get a normal user account to one of those machines
[11:43] <poningru> hehe yeah I would assume
[11:43] <KenSentMe> That's what i mean
[11:43] <mdke> let alone root
[11:43] <KenSentMe> But those are the only ones to get the wiki running again
[11:43] <mdke> yep
[11:44] <elkbuntu> i dare say it's more than needing to restart apache anyway
[12:48] <poningru> I dare say you are right
[12:49] <poningru> so no clue what the problems could be
[01:02] <poningru> anyone have a page of the wiki sitting in their cache?
[01:07] <mdke> poningru: google probably does
[01:07] <poningru> hmm true
[01:08] <mdke> anyway, wiki is working now
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> its come up in hte last few minutes then
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> roxor :D, thanks mdke
[01:09] <poningru> woo
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[01:15] <poningru> anyone know what the favicon link is?
[01:15] <poningru> for ubuntu
[02:31] <elkbuntu> mdke, for next time the wiki is dead, where can we sound the alarm to reduce the downtime?
[02:41] <poningru> mdke: ping
[02:49] <mdke> poningru: pong
[02:50] <mdke> elkbuntu: you can file a request in the admin tracker, I suppose. But generally on a sunday it won't get fixed a lot quicker than that. All the admins are in the same timezone
[02:51] <elkbuntu> admin tracker?
[02:51] <poningru> mdke: I wanted to talk about adding opensearch to wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:51] <poningru> or perhaps to help.ubuntu.com
[02:52] <mdke> elkbuntu: canonical uses a request tracker to maintain admin requests
[02:52] <mdke> poningru: aha, interesting. You would like to improve the moinmoin search utility?
[02:52] <elkbuntu> aha, so not really all that well known?
[02:53] <poningru> mdke: actually its a bit different
[02:53] <poningru> opensearch just uses the sites own search
[02:53] <poningru> mdke: using edgy? and ff 2.0?
[02:54] <mdke> elkbuntu: that's right
[02:54] <mdke> poningru: me? no
[02:54] <poningru> crap
[02:54] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSearch
[02:54] <poningru> cant demonstrate it to you then
[02:55] <mdke> poningru: if you compose an email to the -doc list about it, it might be easier to discuss
[02:55] <mdke> I'm all in favour of improving the wiki search
[02:55] <poningru> but... its not for improving search
[02:55] <mdke> ah, it sounds like it is
[02:55] <poningru> it just creates an easy way for people to add a search bar engine to firefox
[02:56] <mdke> "It is a way for websites and search engines to publish search results in a standard and accessible format"
[02:56] <poningru> right
[02:56] <elkbuntu> wtf.. the cd labels on the DIY marketing page are old
[02:56] <poningru> mdke: it just uses the websites own search functionality
[02:57] <mdke> poningru: sounds interesting anyway
[02:57] <poningru> sweet
[02:57] <poningru> err webmasters
[02:57] <mdke> maybe we could use it on the website to show search results from wiki.u.c and help.u.c directly in the website search
[02:58] <poningru> ooh too true
[02:58] <poningru> I was thinking opening them up in different tabs
[02:58] <mdke> that is something the webmaster is looking at. Definitely compose an email about it
[02:58] <poningru> but your way sounds better
[02:59] <poningru> mdke<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:59] <elkbuntu> ah.. me looked in the wrong part of the diy page... phew
[03:02] <mdke> poningru: actually the best thing would be to file a bug on ubuntu-website, if you think a bug is appropriate. Otherwise, the -doc mailing list (until we have a public website list)
[03:03] <poningru> ah ok
[03:03] <poningru> than the mailing list
[04:56] <johnlittle> ah the wiki lives
[07:16] <johnlittle> woo tons of new ubuntu vids showing up this morning  - http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ubuntu_powered_automatic_cat_feeder
[07:21] <Burgundavia> UWN being written offline, due to wiki issues
[07:23] <johnlittle> yeah i saved a copy after my morning edit
[07:23] <johnlittle> just in case
[07:33] <nixternal> johnlittle: those linux.com vids are enough to cause you to commit suicide
[07:34] <johnlittle> no love for the limo?
[07:34] <nixternal> nope, and never will
[07:34] <nixternal> he is so far up RMS's tail it isn't even funny
[07:35] <johnlittle> yeah but he's been supportive of UV which is good..maybe some press in the future..who knows
[07:35] <nixternal> but then again..i think all the old shool hackers are like that
[07:35] <Burgundavia> nixternal: linux.com videos?
[07:35] <Burgundavia> limo?
[07:35] <nixternal> hehe
[07:35] <johnlittle> roblimo..the executive editor at ostg..slashdot/linux.com etc
[07:35] <nixternal> limo, i forgot he owns his own limo service..that is how that started
[07:36] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/linux_com_ubuntu_videos
[07:36] <nixternal> are the blender movies ubuntu related at all?
[07:36] <johnlittle> UV also showcases open source vids
[07:36] <Burgundavia> ah, him
[07:38] <johnlittle> re the blender vids. I can only post what I can find. That's why I asked for recommendations via the ML
[07:41] <johnlittle> I got some more stuff in the works today. I'm working with the Captorials developer to make those available via UV. His screencast concept is pretty cool and its getting good press.
[07:41] <johnlittle> http://captorials.com/
[07:42] <johnlittle> He might be able to get me a feed of all the ubuntu related tutorials that are created.
[07:59] <johnlittle> burgundavia: need help with UWN?
[08:04] <johnlittle> burgundavia: need help with UWN?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> can you think of a feature of the week?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> that is the last major piece to be written
[08:12] <johnlittle> hrm
[08:12] <johnlittle> thinking
[08:15] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Epiphany?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> did GNOME last week
[08:17] <johnlittle> nixternal: ping
[08:17] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: guess the xubuntu peeps never replied?
[08:18] <Burgundavia> not that I saw
[08:18] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Inkscape?
[08:18] <nixternal> pong
[08:18] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you got a kubuntu thing we can feature?
[08:18] <johnlittle> nixternal: hey kde guru..wanna do a kde feature of the week?
[08:19] <nixternal> im running here, but if i was to pick one, it would be Amarok
[08:19] <nixternal> 1.4.2 kicks arse!
[08:19] <nixternal> gotta go... ;)
[08:19] <Burgundavia> right, would prefer a dapper one
[08:19] <nixternal> already did a kde one..we need a xubuntu ap...pick thunar
[08:20] <Burgundavia> right
[08:20] <Burgundavia> can you write that up? I have never used thunar
[08:20] <nixternal> im going to a party...see if crimsun is around
[08:20] <Burgundavia> paste me the writeup, because the wiki is currently having issues
[08:28] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: are you getting that thunar article, or should I?
[08:28] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I know nothing about it but I can write a summary based of the web site
[08:28] <johnlittle> off
[08:29] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[08:29] <Burgundavia> a couple of sentences are ok
[08:29] <johnlittle> Do we need a screenshot?
[08:31] <johnlittle> arght he freaking wiki is down again?
[08:31] <johnlittle> ahh nm
[09:11] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: ok, now needs a proofing
[09:12] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: checking
[09:17] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: PlaysForSure points to a empty wiki
[09:17] <Burgundavia> right, break that out
[09:17] <Burgundavia> you can make that a non wiki with ```
[09:22] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: how do I do that?
[09:22] <Burgundavia> Plays``For``Sure
[09:24] <johnlittle> thought so..was a tick off...done
[09:30] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: done editing?
[09:30] <johnlittle> yep
[09:31] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: yep
[09:31] <Burgundavia> cheers
[09:49] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: think we are good to go?
[09:50] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I think so..read through it and tested all the links
[09:50] <Burgundavia> ok, perfect
[09:50] <Burgundavia> I did some wording changes
[09:51] <johnlittle> looks good from here
[09:52] <Burgundavia> sent and done
[09:53] <johnlittle> about time ;)
[09:54] <Burgundavia> UWN main page updated
[09:54] <Burgundavia> ok, now I need actually get out of bed and do useful stuff today
[09:54] <johnlittle> would it be worthwhile for me to set up a development wiki on ubuntuvideo...I'm never down
[09:55] <johnlittle> lol
[09:56] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: ping
[10:03] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: pong
[10:04] <johnlittle> ^^ would it make sense for me to install a backup dev wiki on UV.com
[10:04] <Burgundavia> hmm, I don't think so, unless you sync every half hour and you make it readonly
[10:05] <johnlittle> Yeah synching would be an issue
[10:31] <Klaidas> hi everyone
[10:32] <Klaidas> hi MenZa  :)
[10:38] <MenZa> hi Klaidas
[10:39] <Klaidas> Flickr \o/
[10:39] <Klaidas> My setup is almost done
[10:44] <Klaidas> By the way, what's in the package?
[10:44] <Klaidas> (your latest photo)
[10:50] <MenZa> perplex city card


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 Good morning people and a wonderful ubuntu day to you! (yes this is an adjective now)
 Good morning Peter, thx
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 @Leon De Andrade, Hello Leon and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
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[08:55] <tgBot1> <Leon De Andrade> I have often read about Ubuntu touch and I am happy to see that there is still development by the community. Sadly I haven't had the chance to test Ubuntu Touch
 Never is late
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Rh0QF2u8/file_4019
 <s>so, who would like to have UBports on Gemini PDA? it should be able to run in theory, now even without arm64 rootfs</s>
 armhf rootfs is capable of running on aarch64 devices, right
 in fact I am running it right now on my secondary phone
 there was an issue with kernel that prevented it
 @vanyasem https://hastebin.com/omuxibicor.diff
 the number of debug prints was pretty desperate
 Anyone from ubports at FOSDEM?
 @technicalbird, I’m not affiliated with ubports, but I am present! Currently at the lightning talks
 The state of Mir live stream FOSDEM https://live.fosdem.org/watch/k4401
 starts in 2 min
 @alan_griffiths hey you are live ^^
 wave :D
 awesome thanks ... i cought the flu so fosdem only from the sofa ;(
 Fwd from arudy: The mir talk is going to start :)
 Fwd from arudy: https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/mir/
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[13:10] <tgBot1> <Nithin Padavu> @TartanSpartan, Yes. its the exact guesture. the second time you tap, dont lift your finger back up. dirctly swipe up and down
 dot
 https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAAtfczK1cobJMlIXmA
 That's the Ubuntu @ FOSDEM group for Filip
 https://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-rootfs-armhf/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/ubports-touch.rootfs-xenial-armhf.tar.gz
 in theory, can this rootfs be used on Ubuntu Tablet or it has different builds?
 @milkor73, and it's never too late also!
 I have read and understood the porting guide but flashing a phone is scary business the guide could use some large warnings about permanent damage and unrecoverable states etc
 @DiogoConstantino, can you find out what technology is powering their live video stream, Diogo?  If possible.  Unless someone can tell already from their website. thanks
 hey guys why doesn't ubports use terminal app developed by canonical?
 I can ask a friend in the org
 Possibly OBS, plus something else
 @Corne, Any tools that we use to flash aren't dangerous. You won't brick your phone following the guide.
 @Ismaelbonato, But we do
 But it's so different
 the one in Ubports was created by Canonical
 I think you're talking about the reboot version where has actual tabs and has split screen support
 @Flohack Maybe you had answered this question before but... … What do you think about TDLib? … https://core.telegram.org/tdlib
 @SergioSRM, I answered it before and I said, we are aware of this, we are in communication with Telegram guys and we are currently looking into this already ;)
 Because, during the year Telegramw ills hift protocols probably, so all 3rd party clients need to be updated. And this will break a lot for our existing thingie
 Oh! Good and bad news
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 @Flohack, Thank you for your answer 👍😊
 I'm using ubports PPA and nothing seems to work :( including clickable
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 Is that Unity 8?
 Yes
 On my laptop i5 Intel HD mesa
 Libertine and browser either
 I suspect clickable does not export Mir variables, and would need to launch apps with —desktop_hint_file=unity8 set
 At the moment the '--desktop' parameter is meant to be used on X11 desktops, I guess
 Would you mind to fill out a report on GitHub? https://github.com/bhdouglass/clickable/issues
 it happen on x11
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 @sverzegnassi, Yes I will do this
 @NotKit, Rootfs is same for all devices
 so only Android system.img is different and it contains overrides?
 There's a device tarball different for each device
 where can I check the one for tablet? (probably closed to mine hardware)
 Poke in the json file on system-image server to find it
 frieza?
 Sure
 It has the bits that define grid units for device, and other such things, iirc
 Don't recall if it provides /custom or not, but I think do
 and disables dialer-app/messaging-app for some reason
 Yes, on tablet it hides them, because, well, it's not a phone
 (I supposed all MediaTek SoCs have modem)
 so you can't make calls from it on purpose or it's not supported by hardware?
 Not supported by hardware
 even in some hardware where you have a sim card slot, you still can't place calls
 And we don't have dynamic capabilities detection for specialized apps like that
 @GranPC, Right, baseband has call/sms disabled
 interestingly enough, some basebands only disable calls - sms still works
 (see: nexus 7 2013)
 And I think some don't connect all the pins on hw for it
 I think Telco also disables on their end, for data only sim customers too
 is there any device that uses ofono-rilplugin MTK2 driver?
 or it was prepared for unreleased device?
 But yes, we got complaints about dialer/messaging apps showing on tablet. So I wrote that bit of code to hide them
 No idea on mtk2
 I suppose it was started for Meizu MX6 Ubuntu Edition/Helio X20 SoC
 @Ismaelbonato, It works now whe I use this "sudo DISPLAY=:0 clickable —desktop"
 @Ismaelbonato, I suspect the important factor is that "sudo" is losing some environment variable. A wild guess: is QT_QPA_PLATFORM set?
 rootstock-ng is a pain when you don't have recovery :(
 @alan_griffiths, Sorry I have no idea! I started yesterday to play with this
 [    5.582677] initrd: checking filesystem for userdata took (including e2fsck) 0 seconds … [    5.589681] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00000200
[16:10] <Beton> Hello, I have problem flashing my BQ E5 with Ubports Installer, I'm doing everything like installer says, but it stops on "Please reboot to bootloader" and repeat "debug: Running platform tool fallback exec asar cmd fastboot devices" in console. My E5 is in fastboot mode of course. I also see my device in dmesg and lsusb.
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> Beton: i had same issue on the ubports installer
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> Beton: i had to install manually from commandline
[16:13] <Beton> lotuspsychje, so I should use old method? Where can I find tutorial, because i don't remember this, and can't find it on Ubports site?
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> Beton: sorry, cant remember the proper command either anymore, as i tested so many tools, magic device tool,ubports installer,snap and git..
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> Beton: i can only say, it worked with manually command from terminal and afterwards i had to enable devel channel because of some bugs
[16:19] <Beton> Also, Ubuntu Installer is misleading for BQ E5, because it says "Press Power + Vol Down for reboot to fastboot", but for BQ E5 this is Power + Vol Up...
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> Beton: yeah its not perfect yet
[16:23] <Beton> How can I exit from Fastboot mode?
[16:25] <Beton> Power + Vol Up works
[16:28] <Beton> So I must find old documentation now, because I don't want to brick, it's my only phone ;)
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> Beton: try to ask here & idle perhaps
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> i think UniSuperBox helped me
 Feb  3 16:40:11 ubuntu-phablet watchdog: 'lightdm' (instance '') hit respawn limit - rebooting
 how can I mask lightdm?
 Create the file `/etc/init/lightdm.override` with the content `manual`
 https://bpaste.net/show/c13a191cf9ae
 hm, key 12, I wonder what is it
 Please, is there any group ubpots in portuguese?
 does UBPorts still use forked libhybris?
 Yeah, we've still our own.
 It's better to see what `logcat` says when Mir fails to launch, though
 @UniversalSuperBox, I rebased your tree on upstream already. Its only a few patches different
 You should be able to update it easily
 @UniversalSuperBox, I started with test_hwcomposer and it fails with test_hwcomposer: test_hwcomposer.cpp:238: int main(int, char**): Assertion `eglGetError() == EGL_SUCCESS' failed., which doesn't happen with normal one
 @JBBgameich, Awesome. Can you submit a PR so Jenkins makes a package?
 does it automatically build package for PRs?
 Yes, if there's a Jenkinsfile
 @JhoeyLennon, There it is: https://t.me/joinchat/ALdCegI_knZj301cCAbSMw
 <s>please include https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris/pull/363 in PR then</s>
 @mattbel10, thank you 😉
 Nao tem problema Joey, prazer 😃👍
[17:22] <Beton> I found old tutorial and it's working, updated to latest 15.04 RC. I think this should be available on official UBports site, especially of Ubports Installer not working for some older devices...
[17:22] <Beton> https://web.archive.org/web/20170622144804/https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/How-to-flash-existing-ubuntu-touch-devices-with-Ubports-images
 I see you have an irc bridge might someone care to share the domain and room I much prefer IRC over telegram
 Freenode #ubports
 The Community Update is timed to start in two hours, is that correct?
 yerp
 @NotKit, Waait. There is a process that can reboot the phone if another process respawns too often?
 maybe it's just upstart?
 @Flohack, yes
 Looking to join the Community Update Live?  It's starting right about.... NOW.  Get the link at the News Channel and join us and learn more about your UBports community.  https://t.me/ubports_news
 @dohbee, Could tjat explain the unforeseen reboots of FP2?
 maybe?
 i mean, it would be in the logs i guess
 I think I could do a fix on one of my community update questions in the forum, what is the common hardware aspect linking cooler freiza and turbo which allow Anbox on them but currently not so on other devices?
 @NotKit, no, there's a watchdog script that reboots phone if things keep crashing
 @Flohack, No, that's kernel problems
 so to build libhybris by hand, better make a copy of UBports rootfs, install build packages and compile it?
 @NotKit, you want to build it on the device?
 I guess that's the fastest way?
 maybe
 @NotKit, https://askubuntu.com/a/623311/50737
 WILL!   There is an issue with qualcomm chipset. … Not that I want to answer instead of a F4, they can do too, but your curiosity is satisfed now.
 @wayneoutthere, \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/
 Ok so I think I phrased my question correctly in that case.
 guess i'll pause the Shalamar for a while
 so MediaTek supports it, cool
 @TronFortyTwo, turbo is not mtk, it's exynos
 there's nothing specific about the hardware i guess. turbo has the most RAM of supported devices i guess, and cooler/frieza are exactly the same except for screen resolution
 do that again, Jan
 WILLLL!
 get him!
 haha\
 @dohbee, Oh you're right,
 Was that a donke sound or a city name?
 "The Graveyard of my Failed Dreams " - Will Atwood, 2018
 and there are 2 canadians now too
 haha
 ;D
 UBports Community Steering Committee "Doing business as - "UBAM"
 @Flohack airports are the best place to join from :P
 love you man.
 ♥❤
 UBAM = UB AMazing
 UBFR = UBports First Responders
 HIGH FIVE FAQ WILL
 😻😻😻
 Very nice to see Will in the fold there, he's a stand up guy.
 Yeah, very good words
 we have our new stage man
 well said.  this will be available as audio to grab/go.
 panopticon jokes probably not the best thing to make, concerning production of a phone os
 ubuntu touch is not...
 not a word made sense.
 so all the renaming will have to be renamed back to unity8?
 Call to action: Anyone with C+, C++, or with Unity, come! Help! :)
 Want convergence sooner?  Come! Help! :)
 lost you marius :)
 Jan - be his spokesman
 does UBPorts Anbox use Android graphics drivers directly, like Alien Dalvik/SFDroid, or through transport layer?
 I'll ask again guys, what's the timescale you're thinking for Anbox and further rollout?
 Thanks Dalton, good to know :)
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 Ubuntu and Ubports users at FOSDEM salute you all!
 \o/
 hey guys at FOSDEM.
 Whats with the sunscreen bottle?
 It finds its way to all the photos :)
 We nees to be prepared for Sunny Brussels! Right @arudy ?
 @mariogrip you having a solid version of Xenial with Anbox as q daily driver is just envy inspiring :p
 *a
 Is Nexus5 16.04 at same stage?
 you should be able to generate automated "changelogs"
 Btw Dalton if you're unsure about the pronunciation of my name, "shayyy-mus" :)
 muhs or moos
 wait
 facepalm
 Former. I'll give you a fistbump if you say it live just now :)
 Sweet info.
 well changelogs are never user friendly
 go read the updates for apps on android
 you can just do `echo "Bug fixes and performance improvements." >> changelog-$(date +%s).txt`
 write better commit messages :)
 Boom! Love you guys.
 <dalton> one. two. threeve.
 Kwak
 quackly. answer
 It was not quick. It was quack.
 Any timescale for general functionality of Libertine on Xenial?
 dot biz
 dot im
 dot phone
 did you say 'slap a bun on it'?
 *general
 it works, sort of
 @Crash_Burn you can install it in a click if you want i guess
 trust no apps.
 Libertine works on Vivid for me, not so on Xenial.
 Yes you can sir! #FellowAmerican
 not really
 the browser should be confined
 I was saying yes he can pronounce my name
 webapp-container is for sure. i think we confined the browser too
 but it is a deb
 Then I will poke Marius in PM to make him poke the app hehe.
 "Yumi is my bae"
 Thanks for all the answering brothers!
 Rebranded! Great job crew
 hahaha
 does anyone know the facebook url?? haha
 no.
 👍
 Whoops, I hit "End Call" rather than "Go offline" XD
 I tried to go but I got drawn back
 so yeah, browser downloads are a bit convoluted
 Thanks guys again!! 👊😎
 because it's a phone where the filesystem is meant to be abstracted away
 @UniversalSuperBox My daughters wonder what that snowman is all about.  It's very important feature in your backdrop now.  Maybe you can dress it differently each week?  :)
 ...but if the internal storage's /Downloads folder works for some people, shouldn't we permit /Media/SDcard/Downloads to work for others? That's one of the power-user features which attracts people to Firefox.
 @wayneoutthere, It's kinda a safety for the things in that basket
 just in case
 @DiogoConstantino, Oh yeahh 🤘🌞
 @TartanSpartan, Did I say we shouldn't?
 No, but just to reaffirm my point.
 then please don't reply in a manner which implies i did :)
 i would say firefox is probably less secure in this manner. but really i'm just pointing out where the difficulties lie
 but the webbrowser-app is less secure in other areas (it's based on outdated chromium and lacking many security fixes)
 Just in case anyone had ambiguity there. Sorry if I came across as contrarian.
[20:21] <Beton> Is stats.ubports.com down, or moved to other domain?
 firefox and chromium kind of make me wish i never had to use the web again
 @Beton, it was taken down intentionally
[20:24] <Beton> Why? I think its good idea to have statistics like this
 It was extremely inaccurate and people were quoting it
 @UniversalSuperBox, So, you know the real numbers...
 Nope
 Because the stats were wrong
 I forgot to ask just now: any development on the unav situation Florian mentioned the previous time
 The aggregate were correct
 any news there?
 https://twitter.com/costalesdev/status/958045845529792517
 I think Marius is right that if the inaccuracies are the same in relation to each different device, then we know that the ratios between the devices are accurate
 @UniversalSuperBox, What it means?
 The percentages per country, etc. were more correct.
 ok
 If they are all out by a factor of x5, the proportions are unchanged
[20:33] <Beton> Because method of colecting statistics was wrong, it based on asking for updates iirc
[20:34] <Beton> it should base on uniqie device ID, every Ubuntu Touch device have it
[20:34] <Beton> Crash reports base on this too
[20:35] <Beton> Also I see that there still is option to send crash raports to Canonical on latest 15.04 RC, shouldn't it be removed?
 @Beton, i don't think so. crash reports are still useful, especially once 16.04 is made stable
 well, it was naive of me to expect Mir to just work: https://bpaste.net/show/15afcdb69c71
 I updated libhybris though and test_hwcomposer runs now
 key 12 would be NATIVE_WINDOW_DEFAULT_DATASPACE https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris/commit/ad5b3d2530d6bd534930c43ee9f34666bc7b1808#diff-e5a142e46157d2a0ad4735bb1346de52R304
[20:43] <Beton> @dohbee so Canonical still support Ubuntu Touch or these reports go to UBports developers now?
 should I build xenial_-_mir28 branch of mir-android-platform?
 @Beton, Canonical doesn't exactly, but the phone image is still Ubuntu, and so crash reports should go to Ubuntu.
 i wouldn't suggest that ubports should run their own crash report server at all.
[20:45] <Beton> ok, i understand now
[20:48] <Beton> btw, I flashed my BQ E5 today, and I saw that I can choose 16.04/dev branch, so something changed about 16.04 version on legacy devices?
 it's been available for a while now
 @dohbee, Legacy devices only.
 @Cesar_Herrera, Huh?
 Only those were from Canonical.
 Canonical does not support any of the phone/tablet devices any more
 Yes.
 no, the m10 too
 but really, whatever you are saying has nothing to do with what i was saying
 I shoud say Ubuntu and no Canonical.
 i still have no idea what you're trying to say
 Ubuntu is still Ubuntu
 many of the underlying packages still come from the main ubuntu archive. ubports doesn't rebuild 100% of the stack independently
 I refered about the crash reports.
 ie systemd/upstart comes from ubuntu. glib comes from ubuntu. pam comes from ubuntu.
 yes, and if on 16.04 systemd crashes, it would be nice if ubuntu would fix it :)
 :)
 The following packages have unmet dependencies: …  libmirrenderer-dev : Depends: libmircommon-dev (= 0.26.3+16.04.20170605-0ubuntu1.1) but 0.24.20ubuntu11+ubports+0~20180125235309.11~1.gbp713a61 is to be installed
 where can I get the correct version of libmirrenderer-dev?
 i think plasma mobile crashes go there too
 oh bummer, i can't actually see the reports any more it seems :(
 @UniversalSuperBox, Who?????  I'll punish the man! ;)
 wait, so mir-android-platform repo is for newer mir versions (basically it got split for main Mir tree), and UBPorts xenial still uses 0.24?
 yep
 I get somewhat confused by all the branches, any quick guide on that?
 what repo should use for device tree based on cm-12.1, ubport-5.1 or halium-5.1 ?
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 @Walid, halium
 Just know that it won't be officially done until... probably after OTA-4
 You can join me on my quest to flesh out the Halium 'standard' though, along with the guys from Plasma Mobile and LuneOS
 what was the newest device to get relatively functional port though?
 Walid ported the Moto G3 using the ubp-5.1 base
 I got middling results on the Moto G5 Plus using halium-7.1
 But now I'm working on the 5X and hitting a brick wall
 on initial startup level or somewhere later?
 Later. Console programs work for a bit, then something gets printed in the log and everything stops launching
 Let me find that...
 `[   25.613724] msm_rng:Data not available!`
 After that, I can only launch a few programs. New shell sessions won't appear.
 I had weird freezes with Halium on Qualcomm devices just like you described, but it happened later
 @NotKit, I got a somewhat working port on Samsung S3 Neo 😆
 But only on 16.04, 15.04 has lots of issues with that
 Again, only happens after a certain amount of things have been done. For example, after I tossed in Telnet rather than ssh on boot, it'll run slightly longer.
 Until I try to read too much from `/dev/random`
 I don't know if that's a cause or a symptom though
 Can't use sudo
 So most things go out the window. :P
 does it happen only on Ubuntu rootfs or on Halium reference as well with your kernel configuration?
 I haven't switched to reference yet. Going to try that now.
 Just waiting for that sweet systemimage build...
 @UniversalSuperBox, Both?
 @dohbee, that would be disastrous
 Well, loss of entropy means the rng gets consumed, and then you get the freeze
 Oh! You were serious
 Who knows why the rng kills itself, though...
 Needs some special entropy generator from Android?
 It's in-kernel
 Hopefully. If it was in an Android service we'd have some pain coming up
 @vanyasem did you get similar behavior on your build?
 @dohbee, And then it will consume the battery. Finally found the reason for aging batteries
 I don't think that's related
 Hahah joking
 and then it leacks memory and here the famous RAM problem source found too
 (😁)
 About run unity8 on top of x11! When will it be ready?
 Mir already works on top of X
 I never tried thought
 @dohbee, can it be disabled though?
 @UniversalSuperBox, exactly the same
 @NotKit, Sure I guess
 @NotKit, yep, same problem with reference
 oops
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/KH0y61T4/file_4037.jpg
 16.04 huh
 https://bobsummerwill.com/2018/02/03/helping-purism-not-to-make-the-same-mistakes/
 so it implementing NATIVE_WINDOW_CONSUMER_USAGE_BITS was enough to get Mir running on Helio X27
 I wish rebuilding Mir with few lines added didn't take few hours though, lol
 @UniversalSuperBox, but Nexus 5X is like a reference for Halium? so it can be due to kernel config differences?
 @NotKit, mir is a beast, but if you want you can send a pr that will trigger a build on our build system 5-6minutes to build
 will do
 our 64-core arm64 flexes :)
 @NotKit, It did it with and without the changes
 wow, way better than poor OnePlus 2 I used for building, lol
 @mariogrip, hey Marius :P. I just wanted to inform you that the latest ubports halium rootfs doesn't seem to work. it just bootloops with no graphics
 @vanyasem, humm, noted, will take a look at that
 @mariogrip, I assume that's due to caf-related changes
 Since we're mobbing @mariogrip... ever had a deadlock due to the msm_rng failing?
 I tested on HTC 10 btw
 it's latest rootfs on photo though
 @UniversalSuperBox, nope
 @NotKit, is that a caf device?
 but I built hybris from @JBBgameich tree
 no, MediaTek
 yeah, it's only qcom caf's that has some struggles
 had to revert some stuff due to our samsung chip device (pro5) didn't like the new hwc changes
 but im working on a workaround for that
 MTK wouldn't like them too with prebuilt HWC, I think
 mediatek is smart, they don't change enums values in the middle of the DAMN enum
 Ah, so we're looking at separate rootfs's again?
 but if size of complete struct changes by additions in the end, wouldn't it still break?
 @UniversalSuperBox, nope, just need to dome some magic with mir to have two androd platform binaries, one 7.1++ and one for 6.1— and then load the correct one on init
 like pulseaudo does
 @mariogrip, getting mtk_disp_mgr 32-bit ioctls compat layer running was crazy enough to question that
 since we cannot rebuild the android stuff on the pro5 we cannot use my other fix that halium can use :(
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/0grjeZZH/file_4039.jpg
 Guys my 5X needs help
 since that reqires changes to hwc on android
 @UniversalSuperBox, I think the 808 turned into a fusion reactor, gg
 you just solved free energy
 @Lyokanthrope, Can I patent this
 @mariogrip, yeah, i assumed that as well as i only got issues on a CAF HTC 10. older version of this rootfs works perfectly
 anyway, to get touchscren rotated, will LIBINPUT udev rules apply?
 The plot thickens. My 5X works with my kernel config changes in reference.
 (It was booting the wrong rootfs before)
 @NotKit, Rotated? Did you go through the initial setup?
 I didn't yet since touchscreen is misaligned
 @UniversalSuperBox, same expersience. reference rootfs worked, but not ubports one
 @NotKit, Pretty sure initial setup is always portrait, and rotation will work normally after
 @dohbee, the screen is physically rotated iirc. so the image needs to be rotated 180 degrees all the time
 Huh?
 that's a phone with a physically flipped screen iirc
 @vanyasem, the kernel *should* do that, should not be a userland issue
 (at least qcom does that)
 @mariogrip, @NotKit ?
 I'm pretty sure it's a tablet?
 @vanyasem, yes
 @dohbee, (the screen itself is rotated by factory)
 well, actually, the screen is portrait
 I still don't know what that means
 but touchscreen is reported landscape
 @dohbee, well that doesn't really matter. it's a portriat tablet, counts as a "big phone"
 Does not compute
 like the oneplus 5 where the screen is monted upside down
 and turned around in software (kernel)
 Still seems irrelevant
 the device is "PDA" though, so neither phone nor tablet technically
 The setup wizard is always in portrait. So if it's appearing portrait, it doesn't mean rotation isn't working
 no, it's not the issue
 it's that touch screen is reported landscape
 Ah
 So a bug, or maybe something not synced
 it's "a feature"
 since basically for Android they set ro.sf.hw_rotation=270
 Oh, change that maybe?
 well, it needs to be undone somehow, but my original questions was, would Mir handle libinput calibration set through udev rules?
 or this need to be fixed in kernel?
 I think it should work
 yes, 270 degrees rotation matrix helped
 well, UI runs, everything else doesn't :) feels way smoother than GNOME Shell on same device though
 Nice
 does anyone know how /dev/wmtWifi is controlled on frieza/other MediaTek devices?
 What level of control? NetworkManager is used on userspace side