[05:48] <didrocks> good morning
[07:42] <pitti> Good morning
[07:42] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, tu as te levé tôt ! ça va ?
[07:43] <didrocks> pitti: bonjour ! ça va bien ! (oui, je me lève de plus en plus tôt j'ai l'impression…) et toi ?
[07:52] <andyrock> morning all
[07:53] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:53] <didrocks> hey andyrock, hello seb128 :)
[07:53] <didrocks> finally the channel starts to be active :p
[07:53]  * didrocks felt alone
[07:53] <pitti> didrocks: je vais bien aussi, mais j'ai me couché à 1:30
[07:54] <pitti> après basketball, donc c'est normal :)
[07:54] <pitti> j'ai regardé deux videos de systemd.conf
[07:54] <pitti> bonjour seb128!
[07:54] <pitti> hey andyrock
[07:54] <didrocks> pitti: je n'en n'ai regardé qu'une :)
[07:55] <didrocks> pitti: ah d'accord, donc après s'être couché à 1h, bon score! :)
[07:55] <pitti> didrocks: that means "I watched only one", right?
[07:55] <pitti> or "I didn't watch even one"?
[07:56]  * pitti ne connais pas le double "ne"
[07:56] <didrocks> pitti: "only one", yeah
[07:56] <seb128> hey andyrock didrocks pitti
[07:56] <pitti> i. e. "n'en n'ai"
[07:56] <TheMuso> Hey desktoppers. :)
[07:56] <didrocks> pitti: you can say as well (maybe more commonly): "j'en ai regardé qu'une"
[07:57] <pitti> didrocks: ah, c'est que je sais, merci :)
[07:57]  * seb128 just spent half an hour figuring out why its boot is taking ages for a week
[07:57]  * seb128 grrrr at systemd
[07:58] <pitti> qu'est-ce qu'est cassé ?
[07:58] <seb128> ma partition swap a changé et le fstab est faux
[07:58] <seb128> mais systemd de dit rien
[07:58] <seb128> j'ai juste le logo plymouth avec les points qui bougent pendant 1 minute
[07:59] <seb128> très frustrant
[07:59] <seb128> pas d'erreur, pas de message, rien, ça bloque et d'un coup ça démarre
[08:00] <pitti> seb128: ah, you have some failed swap unit in systemctl --failed?
[08:00] <seb128> I guess I would have, I used the debug-shell to list-job, saw the swap job was the only running, figured out it was the issue and coimmented the line from fstab
[08:01] <pitti> hm, you get a rescue shell for broken / or /home or so; not sure whether you are supposed to get a rescue shell for broken swap too (or whether that's preferable to just continue booting wihtout swap)
[08:01] <seb128> now the system boots normally again
[08:01] <seb128> booting without swap is fine
[08:01] <seb128> the 1 minute delay is not
[08:01] <seb128> what is it waiting for? it's an internal partition that doesn't exist anymore
[08:01] <seb128> error out or keep going
[08:01] <pitti> on systems where you actually do want swap it wouldn't be "fine", it would just silently ignore an error
[08:02] <seb128> no cookie for you systemd
[08:02] <pitti> maybe the right thing would be to put these "waiting for these units" warnings to plymouth
[08:02] <didrocks> IMHO, the issue is not the waiting, but more on the "no error message/telling I'm waiting on this"
[08:02] <seb128> that would be nice
[08:02] <pitti> you see those on a VT, but not without ply
[08:02] <seb128> not even in a vt
[08:02] <seb128> I had to debug-shell and list-jobs
[08:02] <didrocks> pitti: if communicating with plymouth was something that would interest upstream (hem :p)
[08:05] <pitti> ah yes, quiet eats that as well
[08:06] <pitti> that sounds like somethign to fix for 16.04, this is ugly
[08:06] <Trevinho> Morning!
[08:07] <didrocks> morning Trevinho
[08:07] <Trevinho> Trevinho: hey!
[08:07] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey
[08:07] <Trevinho> Ouch 😀
[08:07] <didrocks> speaking to yourself? :)
[08:09] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, what would be the proper fix? proxying the "wait for disk UUID=...." on plymouth?
[08:09] <Trevinho> seb128: Hola!
[08:10] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, it happens sometime :-D
[08:12] <pitti> seb128: showing a blocking unit in plymouth and with quiet sounds helpful
[08:13] <pitti> seb128: also, do you know what broke your swap?
[08:13] <seb128> +1
[08:13] <seb128> me
[08:13] <seb128> I needed a partition to try something in gnome-disks
[08:13] <seb128> I used the swap so I unswapped it and created a swap back later on
[08:13] <seb128> but the UUID changed I guess
[08:13] <pitti> yes, every mkswap will change it; ok, so that's at least clear
[08:21] <TheMuso> Morning willcooke.
[08:28] <willcooke> morning TheMuso just off to do the school run, bbiab
[08:30] <TheMuso> np
[09:40] <Laney> hey!
[09:41]  * pitti does a jump to the left -- it's a Laney!
[09:41] <pitti> Good morning!
[09:41] <Laney> hey pitti!
[09:41] <larsu> bonjour
[09:42] <pitti> larsu: Moin moin!
[09:42] <larsu> hi pitti!
[09:43] <didrocks> hey hey hey LaLaney! :)
[09:43] <didrocks> morning larsu
[09:45] <larsu> hey didrocks!  Stayed at home mostly, but did some nice cooking :)
[09:48] <Laney> did it involve cheese and/or cream?
[09:48] <Laney> if not: try harder please
[09:48] <Laney> :)
[09:51] <didrocks> neither of those!
[09:51] <didrocks> but meat and lentils
[09:55] <Laney>  A sign reading "Don't touch the water" can be seen near the river
[09:55] <Laney> oops!
[09:56] <Laney> middle click paste...
[09:56] <seb128> oh, a Laney
[09:57] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:57] <seb128> hey Laney ;-)
[09:57] <Laney> unmute the telegram :P
[09:57] <Laney> what's up?
[09:57] <seb128> haha
[09:57] <seb128> oh, larsu is alive as well
[09:57] <seb128> good :-)
[09:57] <seb128> I missed out with this muted on
[09:58] <Laney> oh FFS
[09:59] <Laney> the gnome-terminal reverted my upload from last nighth
[09:59] <Laney> did I forget to push? but even so...
[09:59] <seb128> rooooobbbb
[10:00] <Laney> :|
[10:00] <Laney> and that one was also because one of the previous uploads had reverted my change
[10:01]  * Laney take three
[10:05] <larsu> hi seb128 :)
[10:05] <larsu> did some errands this morning
[10:06] <seb128> hey larsu
[10:09] <Laney> seb128: seems slangasek processed some of the removals for gsl last night
[10:09] <Laney> can you look at the remaining packages http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/gsl.html ?
[10:09] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I was just about to look at that
[10:10] <Laney> i.e. forget my list now, it's out of date
[10:10] <seb128> k
[10:10] <Laney> not sure why he didn't do all of them
[10:10] <Laney> maybe they are ones with rdeps or something?
[10:10] <Laney> but let's just kill those too IMHO
[10:11] <Laney> if you give me the list I can block them in proposed
[10:11] <seb128> block them? you mean?
[10:12] <seb128> I though we just wanted to demote-to-proposed them?
[10:12] <Laney> demoted things can go straight back in
[10:12] <Laney> if they have old binaries which work in release
[10:12] <Laney> you should check if I already uploaded these and they FTBFS in proposed
[10:12] <seb128> they wouldn't if they fail to build no?
[10:12] <Laney> in which case just remove from release IMHO
[10:13] <seb128> makes sense
[10:13] <Laney> only if it's a rebuild, demote copies the old successful binaries
[10:15]  * Laney really bzr pushes g-t this time
[10:16] <willcooke> didrocks, can we do anything with Fritzing without MD5, "latest" link and HTTPS?
[10:18] <willcooke> also:  who knows the most about Ubiquity here?  tvoss is having a problem with resizing partitions and it seems to have hung.  How can he find out what;s going on?  Where are the good logs?
[10:19] <Laney> #ubuntu-installer
[10:19] <Laney> & /var/log/ubiquity or /var/lib/ubiquity?
[10:19] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[10:21] <seb128> Laney, "asymptote" has a --disable-gsl, might be a better option than removing it?
[10:22] <Laney> dunno
[10:22] <jibel> willcooke, there was a bug in wily, the "resize" widget sometimes doesn't receive the focus
[10:22] <Laney> if you want to try that go ahead
[10:22] <Laney> otherwise we get the fix via sync
[10:22] <seb128> k
[10:22] <seb128> shruug
[10:22] <seb128> calendar reminder, apparently I've a meeting in 10 minutes
[10:22] <jibel> willcooke, if it's a bug with the UI
[10:23] <jibel> otherwise there were others with partman itself in some configurations
[10:25] <jibel> willcooke, bug 1447600
[10:26] <jibel> should be highre than medium
[10:27] <seb128> seems like a good one to fix for the LTS
[10:28] <pitti> seb128: btw, I see that flickering on new windows too, like the window first appears black for a split second and then is drawn
[10:28] <seb128> pitti, ah, I'm not alone or crazy yet!
[10:28] <seb128> pitti, thanks for confirming
[10:28] <Laney> larsu already started asking about it
[10:28] <pitti> and, what happened with gedit
[10:28] <Laney> seems he knows what is likeliy to be the fix
[10:29] <Laney> HAHA
[10:29] <Laney> yesssssssssss
[10:29] <pitti> I mean, it's not actaully bad, but it's so different from everything else
[10:30] <seb128> pitti, welcome to new GNOME style
[10:30] <seb128> we are giving in a try to see how it fits/works
[10:31] <Laney> I like it apart from the double controls
[10:31] <Laney> oh and linked buttons are themed badly
[10:31] <Laney> probably fixable though
[10:32] <Trevinho> willcooke: I'll be in meeting in 1 min
[10:32] <pitti> linked buttons?
[10:32] <Laney> also, is it me or does escape not close file choosers any more?
[10:32] <seb128> I opened bug #1513856 about that
[10:32] <Laney> did it before or am I going crazy?
[10:32] <pitti> Laney: works here
[10:32] <Laney> pitti: try in gedit -> save as
[10:32] <pitti> and yes, esc not closing dialogs → really bad things happen!
[10:32] <seb128> pitti, try to close gedit with unsaved work
[10:32] <seb128> the dialog has buttons concatenated in a row together
[10:32] <seb128> doesn't look good
[10:33] <pitti> seb128: eww, yes
[10:33] <pitti> Laney: oh -- esc doesn't work right away, but after clicking into the file tree it does
[10:33] <pitti> it does not work in the name input line
[10:33]  * Laney nods
[10:34] <pitti> but in the left bookmark bar or the tree selector
[10:34] <pitti> so, thanks guys! *finally* I have the feeling I'm on an 31337 unstable developer series!
[10:34] <pitti> this got way too boring
[10:35] <pitti> seb128: and you can use your old saying again at last!
[10:35] <pitti> come on, say it
[10:36] <seb128> lol
[10:36] <seb128> nothing to say, people are going to say I'm old and grumpy :p
[10:37] <seb128> (but boring is good!)
[10:37] <pitti> seb128: pleeeease, for old time's sake! :-)
[10:37] <seb128> iz gtk bog!
[10:37] <pitti> \o/
[10:37]  * pitti hugs seb128
[10:37]  * seb128 hugs pitti back
[10:38] <seb128> is somebody seeing bug #1515461?
[10:39] <pitti> ça marche bien ici
[10:39] <pitti> oh no, confirmed
[10:39] <pitti> iz gtk bug!
[10:39] <seb128> yeah, I think so
[10:39] <seb128> I'm still on 3.16 and doesn't see it
[10:40] <seb128> might be a 3.18 regression
[10:40] <seb128> Laney ^
[10:40] <pitti> could it be that a lot of this (button space, compression, etc.) is because our theme didn't get updated to 3.18 yet?
[10:40] <seb128> my workflow might be not standard but the open button behaviour really annoys
[10:40] <seb128> +me
[10:40] <pitti> I can't imagine that this happens with Adwaita
[10:40] <seb128> I never open old documents, but I almost always open things from the same dir
[10:41] <seb128> I don't think it's a theme 3.18 update
[10:41] <seb128> at least the linked button is not
[10:41] <Laney> it doesn't happen with adwaita
[10:41] <seb128> it's just new app style
[10:42]  * Laney assigns to theme maintainer :)
[10:42] <seb128> shall name write his name!
[10:43] <seb128> Mr W* C*
[10:43] <Laney> nah, not that one :P
[10:43] <seb128> name->not
[10:43] <Laney> larsu: assigned you a couple of bugs if you can look in the medium term
[10:43] <Laney> just pinging incase you miss the mail ;)
[10:44] <Laney> or delegate to your co maintainer of course
[10:44] <seb128> we we like linked buttons now?
[10:44] <seb128> I though we patched them out of GTK previous cycle
[10:44] <Laney> we patched more things out before
[10:44] <Laney> like headerbars...
[10:44] <Laney> if we like gnome we should try it imho
[10:45] <seb128> yeah, let's see
[10:45] <seb128> I'm having an hard time to get used to the new gedit, it doesn't fit well with the rest for me atm
[10:45] <Laney> the adwaita ones look nice
[10:45] <seb128> it looks better indeed
[10:45] <larsu> Laney: "thanks"
[10:45] <Laney> :)
[10:45] <larsu> ;)
[10:45] <Laney> keeping you in green tea
[10:46]  * larsu gets more
[10:46] <seb128> poor larsu
[10:46] <Laney> swap for gsl/poppler/glew/ocaml transition?
[10:46] <Laney> actually don't, I like it
[10:46] <Laney> slangasek has been wielding the delete hammer hard
[10:47] <seb128> larsu, how did you priority sort your todo between geolocation new_nautilus_menus and bugs?
[10:48] <larsu> seb128: whenever someone pings me they have prio
[10:49] <larsu> which might not be the best idea...
[10:49] <seb128> yeah, you need to put them in a queue and reorder the queue as you see fit :-)
[10:51] <Laney> stupid laptop
[10:51] <Laney> need to us fn to access the function keys
[10:51] <Laney> but for print screen fn is the wireless kill switch instead
[10:51] <Laney> even though it's written in the same place as Fn
[10:55] <larsu> haha
[10:59] <Laney> this network blocks the git protocol
[10:59] <Laney> annoying
[10:59] <larsu> git can do http
[10:59] <larsu> but you know this...
[11:00] <Laney> haha
[11:00] <Laney> thanks!
[11:01]  * Laney populates https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gtk318
[11:16] <Laney> larsu: should that frame clock one go to compiz after your chats yesterday?
[11:16] <Laney> ...is that going to be hard to fix?
[11:20] <larsu> hahahahaa
[11:20] <larsu> yes.
[11:21] <Laney> ._.
[11:21] <larsu> I don't even think we can work around this tbh
[11:21] <Laney> better get it agiled into someone's plans then
[11:21] <larsu> agile is a verb now?
[11:21] <larsu> I wonder why we're only seeing this now though
[11:21] <larsu> maybe we need someone to ...
[11:22] <Laney> everything can be verbed
[11:22] <larsu> *puts on sunglasses*
[11:22] <larsu> ... bisect
[11:22] <seb128> hum, do we have anyone in the team good at that?!
[11:22]  * seb128 looks around
[11:22] <Laney> might need to hire someone
[11:22]  * larsu helps seb128 looking around
[11:23]  * larsu looks 7000km west
[11:23] <Laney> because I don't know anyone with that kind of skill
[11:23] <larsu> a bit south
[11:23] <Laney> nuh uh
[11:24] <larsu> maybe we should go through all members of this team alphabetically and ask if they could do it?
[11:27] <seb128> yeah; let's start with a ... attente? ;-)
[11:38] <seb128> Laney, ruby-gsl had a leftover amd64 binary in xenial-proposed, just deleted that
[11:39] <seb128> should make http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/gsl.html clean
[11:40] <Laney> nice, thanks
[11:40] <seb128> yw
[11:40] <Laney> finding some more random transitions in there now
[11:40] <Laney> ode, dcmtk
[11:41] <seb128> is glew ready?
[11:41] <seb128> seems slangasek has been picking it up after I start yesterdy
[11:42] <Laney> dunno
[11:42] <Laney> just going through the list in turn
[11:46] <Laney> seb128: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=804728 <- drop soya + rdeps completely?
[11:47] <Laney> * balazar3-3d                   (for python-soya)
[11:47] <Laney> * balazarbrothers               (for python-soya)
[11:50] <seb128> Laney, but it built yesterday https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soya/0.15~rc1-10build2 ?
[11:50] <seb128> or what's the issue?
[11:50] <Laney> not against the right thing
[11:50] <Laney> see the first comment in that bug
[11:51] <seb128> but build log says it picked glew1.3
[11:51] <seb128> or are you looking at another transition?
[11:51] <seb128> oh
[11:51] <seb128> you look at "ode"
[11:52] <Laney> I'm looking at all of them that are in this block
[11:52] <Laney> but yeah, in this case it is ode
[11:53] <seb128> done
[11:53] <seb128> balazar3-3d doesn't exist though
[11:54] <seb128> oh, it's balazar3
[11:54] <seb128> ignore that
[11:55] <Laney> there's also a recommends from some metapackage
[11:55] <Laney> will fix that
[11:56]  * willcooke finally gets caught up on scroll back
[11:56] <willcooke> themes!
[11:57] <willcooke> I'm fixing (IMO) the Gedit theme atm
[11:57] <willcooke> It's funny, I have something that I think looks nice on the laptop screen
[11:57] <willcooke> and then when I connect to an external screen and make the windows fill the screen I don't like it anymore
[11:58] <willcooke> I'd like to make the header bars shorter(?   less vertical height)
[11:58] <willcooke> and the header bar buttons could do with a bit more contrast
[11:59] <willcooke> and then there's the text in the open dialogue which is all screwy
[11:59] <willcooke> it's never ending :)
[11:59] <willcooke> Once all of that is "ok" then I will go and speak to Design about header bars
[11:59] <willcooke> but for now... lunch
[12:00] <willcooke> oh, one more thing

[12:00] <willcooke> cyphermox, is this bug on your list for 16.04?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-ext3/+bug/1361951
[12:01] <willcooke> hit and run.  Now lunch.....
[12:02] <didrocks> willcooke: it's hard to maintain a robust product, if Fritzing people are intested into shipping for us, they should make our life (and so, their experience) better
[12:02] <didrocks> willcooke: also, I feel really uncomfortable downloading executable code without having any way to check that the code is legit from upstream
[12:04] <didrocks> willcooke: any reason they can't do it?
[12:43] <davmor2> willcooke: you on xenial? do you have dual monitors?
[12:51] <davmor2> Laney, seb128: Either of you too on a dual monitor xenial setup? I'd like a confirm on a issue
[12:52] <seb128> davmor2, I do
[12:54] <seb128> shrug, am I the only one having unity eating cpu after user switch/unlock?
[12:54] <seb128> on xenial
[12:54] <davmor2> seb128: awesome, could you set one monitor below the other in Screen display, then on the lower monitor open an app full screen and put the mouse on it is it the resize up icon rather than the the normal pointer
[12:57] <seb128> davmor2, it's not but I didn't restart my session for a while so might not be using the current unity, going to restart in a bit
[12:58] <davmor2> seb128: it may actually be more specific to hexchat I'm trying other apps though
[13:43] <attente> lol. you guys...
[13:45] <Laney> oh hi attente!
[13:46] <attente> hey hey
[13:47] <Laney> what's up?
[13:52] <desrt> good morning
[13:52] <desrt> what did i miss?
[13:52] <seb128> hey .ca desktopers ;-)
[13:52] <desrt> desktop.ca
[13:53] <willcooke> o/
[13:54] <attente> good morning
[13:55] <qengho> good morning
[13:56] <larsu> hi qengho and attente!
[13:56] <larsu> and desrt :)
[13:56] <didrocks> hey desrt
[13:57] <desrt> good morning, all
[14:01] <cyphermox> willcooke: it's on my radar for every release, the difference is just that now we're more likely to actually fix it and understand why it's fixed
[14:01] <willcooke> cyphermox, ack.  thx
[14:27] <qengho> seb128: I have never merged packages from Debian before, but I'm happy to help. What should I do to get xdg-utils merged? Is there launchpad machinery, or is it downloading and uploading?
[14:28] <seb128> qengho, you can find some details on https://merges.ubuntu.com/x/xdg-utils/REPORT
[14:28] <qengho> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging  This seems useful.
[14:28] <qengho> seb128: thanks.
[14:29] <seb128> qengho, but it's basically "take the current Debian version, review the Ubuntu delta and re-apply what is needed on top of Debian"
[14:29] <qengho> Ah.
[14:29] <seb128> qengho, https://merges.ubuntu.com/x/xdg-utils/
[14:30] <seb128> shrug, guest session fails on xenial here
[14:31] <seb128> but if I edit /usr/sbin/guest-account to change from -e to -x and get debug info, it works :/
[14:31] <larsu> seb128: -e means "stop on error"
[14:31] <seb128> doh, I wanted to add x
[14:32] <seb128> larsu, thanks ;-)
[14:32] <larsu> ;)
[14:36] <seb128> there are all sort of fails with guest session/user switch/unity
[14:36] <seb128> - guest session fails to start
[14:36] <seb128> - it bounces me back to unity-greeter which fails to display my custom user bg
[14:37] <seb128> - login back to the session shows the unlocked session, then lock fade in then unlock
[14:37] <seb128> - then compiz uses 100% cpu with a thread in pam code
[14:37]  * seb128 shrugs
[14:38] <seb128> andyrock, did you get anywhere with the session not being locked when it should? (e.g screen showing unlocked for a second after suspend/resume)
[14:38] <seb128> also I can't believe nobody else is having the cpu use/pam issue
[14:41] <seb128> ok, at least I figured out the issue with guest session
[14:42] <seb128> I'm going for a footing since it's still sunny and nice out there
[14:42] <seb128> be back in ~1h
[15:14] <willcooke> larsu, how fond of the gradients between tabs in GtkNotebook are you?  With the new darker/lighter tabs the gradient looks meh, and I think a solid line is more effective
[15:17] <willcooke> cyphermox, fixed already!?  Thanks!
[15:17] <cyphermox> willcooke: yeah, it was already fairly obvious what was needed, I just wanted to better understand exactly why
[15:18] <willcooke> cool
[15:18] <cyphermox> I think we've reached that now
[15:18] <willcooke> well thanks for turning it around so quickly
[15:18] <Laney> tall chairs without a cross bar to rest your feet on need to be banned
[15:19] <Laney> in the meantime, /me burns this cafe down
[15:19] <Laney> (GCHQ: that was a JOKE)
[15:19] <willcooke> :D
[15:19] <cyphermox> you caught me early, before I got to start on other things ;)
[15:19] <willcooke> Laney, simply carry a step with you
[15:19]  * willcooke makes a note to bother cyphermox in the mornings
[15:19] <Laney> I kicked off and now the owner is crouching on the floor in front of me
[15:20] <Laney> the customer is always right
[15:20] <willcooke> damn straight
[15:20] <Laney> actually the chair next to me appears to have one
[15:20]  * Laney swaps
[15:20] <desrt> first. world. problem.
[15:20] <Laney> ahhhhhhhhhh
[15:20]  * willcooke wonders if the new cafe down the road has wifi
[15:21] <qengho> Laney: I heard you wanted to ASSASINATE THE PRESIDENT of Ikea.
[15:24] <desrt> i have to assume that nsa/gchq/etc. have developed pretty good troll filters by now
[15:25] <qengho> Maybe. Add "LOL" to escape Bayes flagging.
[15:31] <willcooke> imgur.com/sd6iYay
[15:31] <willcooke> http://imgur.com/sd6iYay
[15:32] <willcooke> err
[15:32] <willcooke> http://imgur.com/sd6iYAy
[15:32] <willcooke> there we go
[15:32] <willcooke> what do you think folks?
[15:32] <willcooke> the mouse would be over the close button on the middle tab
[15:33] <willcooke> that's a solid border instead of the gradient
[15:36] <andyrock> seb128: sorry missed the ping (irccloud :()
[15:37] <andyrock> nope, i can't actually reproduce it
[15:37] <andyrock> i created a ppa for pat
[15:37] <andyrock> with a possible fix but the problem is still there
[15:37] <andyrock> at this point I'm not sure the problem is in unity
[15:39] <larsu> willcooke: not at all - but that's more of a design question
[15:39] <larsu> I mean, for design
[15:41] <Laney> Mirv / mitya57: can you help me with https://launchpadlibrarian.net/225697670/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.phonon-backend-vlc_0.8.2-1ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz please?
[15:41] <willcooke> larsu, I *am* design now ;)
[15:41] <larsu> ooooh
[15:41] <larsu> well then, go ahead please
[15:41]  * willcooke gets his crayons out
[15:42] <willcooke> oooh, Red Arrows just went over my house
[15:43]  * ogra_ checks on google maps
[15:43] <ogra_> lies !
[15:43] <Laney> willcooke: I don't reaally rate the small gap at the top of the tabs :(
[15:43] <Laney> man, this wifi
[15:56] <willcooke> Laney, ack.  I think it's always been there, but because of the colour of the tabs it wasn't noticeable.  But yeah, looks off
[15:57] <Laney> willcooke: maybe so
[15:57] <davmor2> willcooke: much as I love all the things that Laney complains about (high chairs all round) I have to admit the little gap is weird
[15:58] <Laney> willcooke: GTK_THEME=Adwaita gedit to see how gnome has it btw
[15:58] <willcooke> thx
[16:03] <Laney> oh you can change that from the inspector too, I forgot
[16:04]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night!
[16:04] <willcooke> cya didrocks
[16:04] <didrocks> atom is building and working from trusty to wily, nice way to EOD :)
[16:04] <didrocks> see you willcooke
[16:04] <Laney> bye didrocks!
[16:04] <didrocks> bye Laney!
[16:04]  * Laney got in in time!!!
[16:04] <willcooke> \o/
[16:04] <Laney> today is a good day
[16:06] <pitti> Laney: won the didrace for once!
[16:11] <seb128> back
[16:11] <seb128> that sunny weather is quite nice for exercice ;-)
[16:11] <seb128> start being night now though
[16:11] <Laney> hope you footed well
[16:13] <seb128> I did ;-)
[16:15] <seb128> ok, quick shower and I'm back to get some work done
[16:15] <seb128> (how are the transitions going?)
[16:17] <Laney>  * amd64: phonon-backend-vlc, phonon-backend-vlc-dbg, phonon4qt5-backend-vlc, phonon4qt5-backend-vlc-dbg, python-pyepl, python-soya, python-soya-dbg
[16:19] <Laney> I tried pinging about phonon but nobody stepped up yet
[16:20] <Laney> some more stuff on other arches
[16:20]  * Laney looks
[16:44] <Laney> seb128: can we demote insighttoolkit4 elastix ginkgocadx itksnap plastimatch?
[16:44] <Laney> insighttoolkit4 is a 3 day build on amd64...
[16:44] <seb128> k
[16:44]  * desrt watches Laney use seb128 as a commandline tool
[16:44] <seb128> you checked if they have rdepends?
[16:45] <Laney> those are the rdeps
[16:46] <seb128> I mean they don't have anything depending on them?
[16:46] <Laney> nah just a recommends from some package that won't block anything
[16:46] <seb128> what I mean, is should I check that or did you
[16:46] <seb128> k
[16:47] <seb128> thanks
[16:47] <Laney> the last 4 are rdeps of the first one
[16:47] <Laney> did you do the soya stuff?
[16:48] <Laney> we can DO THIS! COME ON!
[16:48]  * Laney self motivates
[16:50] <seb128> balazar3-3d and balazarbrothers ?
[16:50] <seb128> I did
[16:50] <seb128> +soya itself
[16:51] <Laney> when?
[16:51] <Laney> ah I seee it
[16:51]  * willcooke . . o O ( Balazar Brother = Lion tamers)
[16:51] <Laney> seb128: I think python-soya too
[16:51] <Laney> or pysoya or whatever it is
[16:51] <seb128> when you pinged
[16:51] <seb128> so like 5 hours ago
[16:51] <Laney> hmm
[16:52] <seb128> for what transitions are the ones you just gave?
[16:52] <Laney> what's britney playing at?
[16:52] <seb128> needed for the demote message ;-
[16:52] <seb128> ;-)
[16:52] <Laney> libdcmtk
[16:54] <Laney> I could probably fix it but the build is too long
[16:54] <seb128> k
[16:54] <seb128> we can bring those back
[16:54] <seb128> no worry
[16:57] <seb128> Laney, new demotion round done
[16:57] <Laney> ty!
[16:57] <seb128> yw!
[17:05] <mitya57> Laney, let me look
[17:06] <Laney> mitya57: ok, slangasek just pinged Mirv in #ubuntu-devel about this too FYI
[17:06] <Laney> so maybe he's also looking
[17:06] <Laney> thanks
[17:08] <Laney> I tried turning the flag off from PhononInternal.cmake but that didn't work
[17:08] <Laney> can't tell where this is coming from
[17:46] <Laney> seb128: think there are ginkgocadx binaries on arm64 ppc64el still
[17:46] <Laney>  ginkgocadx | <IP_ADDRESS>3.41+dfsg-3 | xenial-proposed/universe | arm64, ppc64el
[17:46] <Laney> for the old version
[17:47] <seb128> hum
[17:47] <Laney> delete them? :)
[17:47]  * Laney pew pew pew
[17:48] <seb128> I don't understand what's going on
[17:48] <seb128> Rejected:
[17:48] <seb128> ginkgocadx <IP_ADDRESS>3.41+dfsg-2 in xenial (version older than the ginkgocadx <IP_ADDRESS>3.41+dfsg-4 in xenial published in xenial)
[17:48] <seb128> the demote-to-proposed failed
[17:48] <seb128> it tried to upload an old version
[17:48]  * seb128 doesn't understand
[17:49] <Laney> hmm maybe this isn't the problem actually
[17:49] <Laney> perhaps it just needs to catch up
[17:49] <Laney> oh yeah it's gone away now
[17:49] <seb128> 32271 seb128    20   0<PHONE_NUMBER>40  47796 S 296,6  4,1 194:45.73 compiz
[17:49] <seb128> come on compiz
[17:49] <seb128> or unity
[17:56]  * Laney wibbles
[17:56] <Laney> guess I don't get to see this go through today :P
[17:58] <seb128> be careful, slangasek might steal the last bit of the puzzle and put in place while you sleep
[17:59] <Laney> it's going to be mitya57
[17:59] <Laney> just that phonon thing
[17:59] <seb128> good :-)
[18:00]  * Laney gives you a different and better present
[18:04] <Laney> righty ho, ttyl!
[18:04] <Laney> seb128: you should swoop in and steal it
[18:05] <seb128> lol
[18:05] <seb128> nice try but no thanks ;-)
[18:05]  * seb128 tries to clean some red lines from version
[18:06] <Laney> restart the vino work? ;-)
[18:06] <Laney> byeeeeeeeeEEEEEeeee
[18:07] <seb128> haha
[18:07] <seb128> Laney, have a nice evening!
[18:07] <seb128> climbing tonight?
[18:12] <seb128> ah, Laney just missed gtk -3 from debian with a regression fix from .3 having an api change for bindings
[19:11] <willcooke> g'night


[16:08] <ses1984> i'm seeing intermittent security problems on packaging.ubuntu.com ; sometimes it loads fine and sometimes browser complains that some resources aren't loaded over https
[16:09] <ses1984> also, if i google 'ubuntu packaging guide' the first result is a link to packaging.ubuntu.com/html that leads to a 404


[03:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#3359 opened: repo: key management refactor <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3359>
[20:46] <mup> PR snapd#9539 closed: many: add /v2/system-recovery-keys API and client <Needs Samuele review> <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9539>


[13:13] <benji> gary_poster: did you see the message from StevenK (indirectly) about bug 1112799?
[13:13] <gary_poster> thanks for helping StevenK benji
[13:13] <_mup_> Bug #1112799: Uploading a release to stable is broken <juju-gui:Incomplete> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1112799 >
[13:13] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:13] <gary_poster> yes
[13:13] <benji> heh
[13:13] <benji> the change that caused the problem is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1612461/
[13:16] <gary_poster> I wonder why my upload yesterday to the trunk series worked
[13:17] <benji> I /think/ the problem they were trying to solve is that some browsers send UTF-8 encoded text without specifying so in the request headers.
[13:17] <gary_poster> oof yeah. that's not a good change for us
[13:17] <gary_poster> right
[13:17] <gary_poster> and who cares about binary blobs :-)
[13:17] <benji> they reverted the change, thats why it started working again
[13:17] <gary_poster> gotcha
[13:17] <benji> heh
[13:18] <benji> the log says "moo", no wait, the log says that they were trying to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/897053
[13:18] <_mup_> Bug #897053: apport generated urls can trigger UnicodeDecodeError <oops> <qa-ok> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by stevenk> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/897053 >
[13:19] <gary_poster> ah ok
[13:19] <gary_poster> Martin Pool's presentation is really good.  read 2/3 of it earlier this morning
[13:19] <gary_poster> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1awg1CHM1w128iOBp_JOxE2DgHfywBeyjDe2bkx1vfVQ/edit#slide=id.p
[13:20] <gary_poster> Some of it touches on topics we've discussed lately (tested fakes)
[13:20] <benji> it seems to me that the right place to introduce this sort of guessing (if we really must) would be the text widget
[13:21]  * benji gets some coffee.
[13:21] <gary_poster> yeah
[14:28] <therve> gary_poster, as it turns out, wsgi doesn't support %2F. But we can encode things on our end I think
[14:30] <gary_poster> therve, wow!  I'll try to file that away.  Thanks for investigating further.  Glad you encode further.  Double encoding? :-P %252F (saw somebody do that when I did my quick search)
[14:30] <therve> gary_poster, yeah something like that.
[14:30] <gary_poster> k cool
[14:30] <therve> I'm not sure there is anything to file. I've seen people complaining, but there is just not an obvious solution apparently
[14:31] <teknico_> frickin' telecom "technicians", instead of fixing my line they broke the neighbor's one, leaving me stranded :-P
[15:07] <gary_poster> bcsaller, Makyo, hi.  how is landing your reviewed branches going?  Over WIP limit: important to get those through the queue.
[15:07] <bcsaller> gary_poster: mine was merged yesterday
[15:08] <gary_poster> ah cool bcsaller thanks.
[15:08] <Makyo> gary_poster, no answer from others on whether or not my branch is needed anymore.  If not, should I just trash the card?
[15:08] <gary_poster> Makyo, it isn't a nice improvement anyway?
[15:08]  * gary_poster goes to look at it
[15:09] <Makyo> gary_poster, No, not really, unless we change history and call it 'name magic numbers', in which case, it's a four line change.
[15:11] <gary_poster> Makyo, ack.  updateLinkEndpoints docstring in relation.js is fixed in your branch too.  I will disconnect the bug from your card, and then you can quickly land just the trivial but still valuable bits and move on?
[15:12] <Makyo> gary_poster, sure, sounds good.  Will make a new branch.
[15:14] <gary_poster> thank you
[15:14] <gary_poster> card changed to reflect new focus, bug marked as fixed, Makyo
[15:15] <Makyo> gary_poster, thanks
[15:28] <gary_poster> bac bcsaller benji frankban goodspud hazmat Makyo teknico call in 2 *in new Canonical-account-only jujugui room*
[15:29] <goodspud> gary_poster, could you email me the link please
[15:31] <Makyo> bcsaller, Can I get a quick +/- on https://codereview.appspot.com/7311046 since you have to deal with this code most?
[15:32] <bcsaller> gary_poster: having trouble joining, logged into g+ with canonical account but its still rejecting me on the link
[15:32] <gary_poster> benji bcsaller hazmat starting.  bcsaller try starting from calendar daily standup link?
[15:32]  * benji wonders how to get the new hangout to use the right account
[15:32] <hazmat> bcsaller, i opened incogonito and logged back in
[15:33] <hazmat> the multi account auth doesn't seem to like these hangouts
[15:33] <hazmat> benji, http://tinyurl.com/jujugui
[15:33] <benji> "You are not allowed to join this hangout."
[15:34] <gary_poster> My evil plan is now complete :-P
[15:34] <gary_poster> Try link from calendar benji
[15:34] <gary_poster> or incognito like Kapil said
[15:35] <benji> link from calendar doesn't work
[15:42] <gary_poster> benji incognito worked for you?
[15:42] <benji> gary_poster: yep; I guess I'll have to do that and log in every time
[15:42] <benji> not a big deal, just slightly annoying
[15:42] <gary_poster> I find that if Canonical is your first logged-in Google identity it works for me
[15:42]  * bac must resist the urge to eat lunch immediately after the call since it is an hour early
[15:43] <benji> and if Canonical is my first logged-in Google identity then the rest of the Google world breaks for me :)
[15:44] <gary_poster> benji, ack.  If this doesn't let us break the 10-participant barrier (we will be 10 people by default once Jeff joins, so that would mean other people like Ale, Jovan, Antonio and so on would have trouble joining) I'm happy to switch back
[15:45] <benji> yeah, if it has no advantages we should go back, but breaking the 10-participant barrier is a biggie
[16:40] <frankban> could anyone make the second review for https://codereview.appspot.com/7306045? thanks!
[16:42] <gary_poster> guihelp ^^^
[16:42]  * gary_poster goes to agile meeting lunch.  back in 1.5 hours
[16:45] <teknico> frankban, I'll do it
[16:46] <frankban> teknico: thanks
[17:27] <teknico> frankban, review done, nice running tests remotely :-)
[19:17] <Makyo> benji, ping re: #1091273
[19:17] <_mup_> Bug #1091273: Style can be applied with different orderings resulting in slight visual differences <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1091273 >
[19:18] <benji> Makyo: pong
[19:18] <gary_poster> benji qa lab machines cannot access outside world other than local deb repos and LP, so we will need to change the test script build machines in the way that we discussed
[19:18] <gary_poster> I will write up
[19:19] <benji> gary_poster: interesting; sounds good
[19:19] <Makyo> benji, it looks like we switched to a 'build-shared' target for prod, debug, and devel at some point, and there's now no difference between build-prod/index.html and app/index.html or the files they include.  Suspecting it's no longer an issue, but want to make sure.
[19:20] <benji> Makyo: ah; yeah it may be a non-issue now.  An easy way to verify would be to take a screenshot of each and compare (flip-book style).
[19:20] <Makyo> benji, Alright, will do.
[19:29] <Makyo> benji, verified no difference.  gary_poster, what to do with the card?
[19:30] <benji> cool
[19:39] <gary_poster> Makyo, move to done Done, close card as fix released
[19:39] <gary_poster> I mean close bug
[19:41] <Makyo> gary_poster, cool, thanks :)
[19:41] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:55]  * benji fights with the linter.
[20:58]  * benji is kicked by the linter and falls out a window.
[20:59]  * benji falls on his horse which gallops away.
[20:59]  * benji lives to fight another day.
[21:00] <benji> review of source maps branch at https://codereview.appspot.com/7305047
[21:22] <Makyo> benji, taking a look, but also have a question.
[21:25]  * benji waits in rapt anticipation.
[21:25] <Makyo> HAd to grab the bug ID, sorry.  Would this maybe help with #1116320?  It seems like the problem is using the un-minified version of YUI, which loads the event stuff from the yahooapis site.
[21:25] <_mup_> Bug #1116320: External resources still loaded by test-debug  <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1116320 >
[21:25] <Makyo> benji, ^^^
[21:26] <benji> hmm, looking
[21:28] <benji> Makyo: nope, I don't think it will help that.  The using of un-minified versions is only done in the context of minifying it ourselves in the prod flavor.  The debug flavor is the same as it ever was.
[21:28] <Makyo> benji, Alright, thanks.  Figured I'd check :)
[21:28] <benji> :)
[21:42] <benji> gary_poster: that presentation from Martin was good.  The bit about Mocks living beside the thing they mock got me thinking and lead to this paper: http://jmock.org/oopsla2004.pdf -- which I have not entirely digested but seems important
[21:43] <gary_poster> benji, the abstract was too abstract. :-P I will look at it later.  thanks for link
[21:43] <benji> heh
[22:09] <benji> Makyo: thanks for the review, you should tag the card
[22:10] <Makyo> benji, Good catch, thank you.
[22:10] <benji> if anyone else would enjoy a review, it is there for the taking


[13:39] <Guest48618> greets, what is the best way to manipulate and manage desktop for user/groups
[13:51] <Guest48618> Also, would like to know how to apply proxy settings to all user accounts / think clients


[01:20] <wildmanne39> Does anyone know exactly how to get a word to show in a different color in a wiki? I have tried the format that is given in the guide but it has not worked so far
[01:41] <cortman> I know wildmanne39 neither work. I asked bodhizazen about it and he didn't know why they didn't work either
[01:41] <cortman> He suggested contacting the doc team. I sent an email to the mailing list but no reply yet.
[01:42] <wildmanne39> cortman, that is good, I am about to eat bbl
[01:43] <cortman> k
[14:58] <hannie> hi hobgoblin cortman JoseeAntonioR
[14:59] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello, hannie.
[15:04] <cortman> hi hannie
[15:04] <cortman> Are you connected to the official doc team at all hannie ?
[15:04] <hannie> no, I am not
[15:05] <hannie> I only translated the ubuntu docs
[15:05] <cortman> Oh ok
[15:05] <cortman> I'm trying to track down someone official to fix the community wiki
[15:05] <hannie> matthew East is the one
[15:05] <hannie> do you want his email address?
[15:06] <cortman> Sure that'd be great!
[15:06] <hannie> one moment
[15:06] <hannie><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:06] <cortman> Thanks a lot hannie
[15:07] <hannie> He is from the doc team. If he can't help you, he can tell you who can
[15:07] <hannie> welcome
[15:07] <cortman> Great
[15:15] <hobgoblin> hi hannie - nice to see you - was it manic :)
[15:15] <hannie> hey hobgoblin nice to be back :)
[15:16] <hannie> I was very, very busy (like all you guys)
[15:16] <hobgoblin> well I've not been too busy with this - but I've been doing a fair lot of daily iso testing lately
[15:16] <hannie> Now I am catching up with translations and hopefully the forums2wiki tasks
[15:17] <hannie> iso testing for quantal?
[15:17] <hobgoblin> yea
[15:18] <hannie> do you think it will be very different from Precise?
[15:19] <hobgoblin> well in the one I use xfce is upgraded to 4.10 and does some tiling and the panels have a deskbar option
[15:19] <hannie> nice
[15:19] <hobgoblin> yep :)
[15:20] <hannie> hobgoblin, do you want me to start with a special task or shall I just continue reading forum tutorials and judging them?
[15:20] <hobgoblin> hannie: this has all been ticking over nicely though - cortman and wildmanne have been doing lots
[15:21] <hannie> ok, I haven't seen the list for a while. Time to have a look at it
[15:21] <hobgoblin> hannie: yea do that - I think we more or less have the basics under control now and it's just about getting stuff to move
[15:21] <hobgoblin> not sure what the others who appear to idle in here are doing mind you ;)
[15:22] <hannie> well, what people do should be on the list
[15:23] <hobgoblin> hannie: list?
[15:23] <hannie> import list
[15:23] <hobgoblin> what we need I guess is people looking at threads and linking them to the imprt page
[15:23] <hobgoblin> aah yes indeed:)
[15:30] <hobgoblin> hannie: at some point I'd like to talk about the manual thing as well
[15:30] <hannie> ok, we are now in the final stage of proofreading
[15:31] <hannie> Perhaps when we start with Quantal, we can count on you?
[15:31] <hobgoblin> yep
[15:31] <hannie> That will start in about two weeks
[15:31] <hobgoblin> ok
[15:31] <hannie> I will let you know
[15:31] <hobgoblin> I'm slated to be helping with xubuntu documentation as well
[15:32] <hobgoblin> got a lot of time at the moment :)
[15:32] <hannie> writing or reviewing?
[15:32] <hobgoblin> I can't remember lol
[15:32] <hannie> lol
[15:33] <hannie> When the Precise version of the manual is out, I have a new task translating it
[15:34] <hannie> But this time I will do it together with my team mates
[15:34] <hobgoblin> that sounds like fun ...
[15:35] <hannie> Eveyone can do one or two chapters, thus the work will be done in a jiffy
[15:35] <hobgoblin> relatively speaking ;)
[15:35] <hannie> yes, because some chapters are very big
[15:36] <hobgoblin> I think I got as far as getting latex or whatver it's called and trying to get the thing from bzr
[15:36] <hannie> Did you get the branch to your computer (Projects/ubuntu-manual-precise)?
[15:37] <hobgoblin> yea
[15:37] <hobgoblin> but it's not been updated since I grabbed it
[15:37] <hannie> that's great. Once you have installed Latex Live you can generate the pdf file from the .tex files
[15:38] <hannie> you can update it daily by giving the command bzr pull
[15:38] <hobgoblin> I stopped for some reason - can;t remember now
[15:38] <hannie> It is fun to see how the pdf file grows. Most screenshots are added now
[15:39] <hobgoblin> oh yea - it's grabbing it now
[15:39] <hobgoblin> done
[15:39] <hannie> good. Then you can give the command "make"
[15:40] <hannie> in the /Projects/ubuntu-manual-precise directory
[15:40] <hobgoblin> that failed
[15:40] <hobgoblin> /bin/bash: xelatex: command not found
[15:40] <hannie> Have you installed Latex Live?
[15:40] <hobgoblin> I obviously didn't get the latex thing then
[15:40] <hobgoblin> I should look at the screen before typing
[15:40] <hannie> no, and it can take up to 3 hours :(
[15:41] <hobgoblin> oh - well I'll let that cook overnight then
[15:41] <hannie> good. If the instructions are not clear enough, ping me
[15:41] <hobgoblin> I will :)
[15:42] <hobgoblin> I remember what happened now - I had a bunch of issues with bzr that I had to sort out - then didn't get any further
[15:44] <hannie> ok, but now bzr is ok I guess
[15:44] <hobgoblin> yep
[15:44] <hobgoblin> well I started latex live off now
[15:45] <hannie> so the last thing to do is get latex live. Tomorrow you can let me know if it is installed
[15:45] <hobgoblin> yep :)
[15:45] <hannie> I'll be gone in a minute. See you all guys
[15:45] <hobgoblin> cya - good to see you hannie :)
[15:46] <hannie> :)
[17:55] <wildmanne39> hey hobgoblin
[19:15] <hobgoblin> evening :)
[19:16] <cortman> g'dye hobgoblin
[19:17]  * hobgoblin installed texlive
[19:17] <hobgoblin> removed it - reinstall it somewhere else - id it wrong I guess as it was almost 4Gb :p
[19:18] <cortman> Yep
[19:18] <cortman> I did the same thing once
[19:18] <cortman> lol it is enormous
[19:22] <hobgoblin> smaller this time - fiddled with it - 520Mb
[20:21] <cortman> It's the language packs I think
[20:23] <hobgoblin> possibly
[20:24] <cortman> What are you planning to use tex for?
[20:24] <hobgoblin> I'm looking at helping with ubuntu manual
[20:24] <hobgoblin> unless xubuntu docs takes an enormous amount of my time
[20:29] <cortman> Terrific- not letting grass grow under your feet it appears :)
[20:29] <wildmanne39> did anyone figure out how to get color text to work in a wiki?
[20:30] <hobgoblin> cortman asked in -docs
[20:32] <wildmanne39> okay I am stuck on converting a thread until we get it figured out because italic's do not work either
[20:32] <cortman> Yes- hannie gave me an email address of a doc team head honcho
[20:32] <cortman> I'm going to email him and see what he says
[20:33] <wildmanne39> sounds good
[20:33] <wildmanne39> I thought may be the color text was just me
[20:33] <cortman> Nope
[20:34] <cortman> There's a couple launchpad bugs to the effect, re the italics and a few other things
[20:34] <cortman> but they get no attention
[20:35] <wildmanne39> I tried italic's in December of last you and could not get them to work but it was my first attempt
[20:41] <cortman> Yep. We'll get it figured out.
[20:41] <hobgoblin> I suspect it has been broken for a long time
[20:42] <hobgoblin> and if the move to sumo actually gains speed they'll likely ignore it
[20:42] <cortman> Probably
[20:43] <cortman> sumo?
[20:45] <hobgoblin> quote from in -docs a while ago " All I knew was mhall119 wanted help going to Sumo? I personally would love to see wiki running something other than moin moin its being the bain of my existence due to its limited markup"
[20:45] <cortman> haha
[20:45] <cortman> moinmoin is definitely closer to bane than blessing IMHO, but no experience with sumo.
[20:45] <hobgoblin> apparently it is what mozilla use
[20:45] <hobgoblin> or something like that :)
[20:46] <cortman> Oh ok.
[20:46] <hobgoblin> SUMO is a django app that runs support.mozilla.org
[20:46] <hobgoblin> apparently
[20:47] <hobgoblin> but it's not something we need to worry about - or so we were told
[20:47] <cortman> That's what "they" want us to think
[20:47] <hobgoblin> lol
[20:47] <hobgoblin> I haz logz
[20:48] <cortman> Whoa
[20:48] <cortman> Expect a visit from "them" sometime in the dead of night.
[20:48] <cortman> hobgoblin has the tapes
[20:48] <cortman> :)
[20:49] <hobgoblin> :p


[02:01] <bdx> lazyPower, mbruzek: just browsing around and found this interesting pertaining to kub + lets encrypt https://github.com/kelseyhightower/kubernetes-letsencrypt-tutorial
[02:02] <bdx> that guy is a bad ass, check out some of his other work too if you have a minute .... super cool
[02:06] <bdx> https://github.com/kelseyhightower/vault-controller
[02:56] <bdx> xenial+reactive+python3 jenkins refactor -> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/juju-charm-jenkins
[02:56] <bdx> jamespage: ^
[03:23] <bdx> boom https://jujucharms.com/u/creativedrive/jenkins/4
[05:38] <jamespage> bdx, oh nice
[05:38] <jamespage> beisner, ^^
[05:38] <jamespage> bdx has been busy
[08:08] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world
[10:12] <marcoceppi> bdx: I feel like I'm constantly the bearer of bad news
[10:12] <marcoceppi> bdx: https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins-charm
[10:12] <marcoceppi> bdx: in the future, I think we should start pushing a policy of people announcing what they're working on, we're (me) are terrible at this
[11:38] <kjackal> magicaltrout: you should setup a ci it is supper easy (took me one evening). You just chekin something and your work is pushed to the store automagically. I have only good words to say!
[11:40] <magicaltrout> I have CI kjackal just not for charms, I'm lazy :P
[11:41] <magicaltrout> that said, its not like I code charms for a living, so I suspect our priorities differ ;)
[11:42] <kjackal> magicaltrout: true!
[11:42] <magicaltrout> got knocked back by the apache mesos folk when asking about LXC support, silly people, they're missing a trick
[11:42] <magicaltrout> looks like I'll have to learn C
[11:43] <kjackal> magicaltrout: I hope someone from juju-qa will step up and say "kjackal you are doing this all wrong! We have this jenkins plugin that will make your life super easy!"
[11:43] <kjackal> Ahhh C! Best language ever!
[11:43] <kjackal> magicaltrout: not joking ^
[11:44] <magicaltrout> I don't believe you
[11:45] <kjackal> magicaltrout: Everything you do with C is like DIY! Always wear protective gear and never try this at home!
[11:45] <magicaltrout> lol
[11:46] <magicaltrout> I tried extending mesos for LXC a few weeks ago, it was very much trial and more error
[11:47] <magicaltrout> it was funny they asked me what use case they were missing.....
[11:47] <magicaltrout> why people think application containers are the best way forward I have no clue
[11:50] <kjackal> developers build these things to protect themselves from thierselves
[11:51] <magicaltrout> like Go?! ;)
[12:01] <kjackal> I think the story goes like this: In begining there was C. Then developers got annoyed by junior developers that were clumsy with C and they created Java for the Junior devs to play with. But then Java became too popular and quantity beat quality: It was better to have more Java junior devs that few quality C devs. One C dev said I will reboot C and add some of the features I am missing so we have Go. While most C devs are
[12:01] <kjackal> boosting C
[12:01] <kjackal> magicaltrout: ^
[12:01] <magicaltrout> lol
[12:02] <magicaltrout> yeah, i suspect you're not too wide of the mark kjackal
[12:22] <rock> Hi all. we pushed our juju charm to public charm store using launchpad juju account. when we pushed it is giving like  cs:~hareeshk/kaminario-cinder-10 . It was pushing with account username "hareeshk".  Can we push our charm by hiding "username". Please provide me information.
[12:33] <magicaltrout> rock: to do that you have to get it signed off and "recommended" by some of the charmers
[12:34] <magicaltrout> so you need to ensure it has tests, tests pass, a decent README etc
[12:34] <magicaltrout> then it will need to enter the review queue
[12:41] <rock> magicaltrout: Hi. Oh. For that it requires the certification right.
[12:42] <magicaltrout> well its not certification, they just check to make sure your charm is sane
[12:43] <kjackal> rock: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/charm-review-process
[12:44] <magicaltrout> doesn't seem to explain how to get it in the review queue though kjackal
[12:49] <rock> Kjackal/magicaltrout :  Thanks.
[12:50] <marcoceppi> rock kjackal http://review.jujucharms.com
[12:54] <rock> marcoceppi: Thanks. How much time it will take to review?
[12:54] <marcoceppi> rock: we're a little behind, but we'll try to take a look quickly
[12:56] <rock> marcoceppi: OK. Thanks.
[14:25] <bdx> marcoceppi: yeah ... this is really defeating .... the jenkins you posted doesn't even show up in the charm store ... is in not published for some reason?
[14:25] <marcoceppi> bdx: it just landed
[14:25] <marcoceppi> I'm really sorry man
[14:25] <bdx> jesus
[14:25] <marcoceppi> we're not going to cock this up again
[14:26] <marcoceppi> you can expect us announcing the charms and layers we're working on, from the entire company, much earlier
[14:26] <bdx> entirely
[14:31] <bdx> possibly we could make an addition to charm build where on every build it would post the charm name and author name/email to and endpoint somewhere
[14:31] <bdx> or something of that fashion
[14:35] <bdx> marcoceppi: why not target xenial on that?
[14:37] <marcoceppi> bdx: we are
[14:37] <marcoceppi> we will target xenial only for that charm, I'm building and uploading now
[14:47] <marcoceppi> bdx: I feel soo bad, but I should check now - what other charms/layers you got in the works? I want to make sure we don't curb stomp your dreams
[14:48] <bdx> marcoceppi: no worries, practice makes perfect
[14:49] <bdx> marcoceppi: zuul, gitlab, documize, etherpad-lite, mailman3
[14:49] <bdx> marcoceppi: I've yet to start on zuul
[14:49] <marcoceppi> bdx: yeah, I'm interested as well in gitlab, and I know Tom Barber has a start of that somewhere
[14:50] <bdx> marcoceppi: documize, etherpad-lite, mailman3 are done minus tests
[14:50] <marcoceppi> otherwise, i'm not awayre of any of those in flight
[14:50] <bdx> ok
[14:50] <bdx> I only have a start on gitlab too
[14:50] <jhobbs> beisner: do you'll have anything around zuul?
[14:51] <bdx> I should the trout about that for sure
[14:51] <bdx> magicaltrout:^
[14:52] <bdx> marcoceppi: I have a reactive rewrite of kibana I've been deploying .... but I'm guessing the whole elastic stack should be consuming a base layer of some sort eh?
[14:52] <beisner> jhobbs, only via integration with upstream gerrit + zuul.  we don't have our own zuul deployed though.
[14:52] <marcoceppi> bdx: dude, that's awesome! we were jsut about to start moving elasticsearch to 5.0.0 and layered!
[14:52] <marcoceppi> bdx: where's your kibana?
[14:53] <bdx> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-kibana
[14:53] <marcoceppi> \m/
[14:53] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: ^^
[14:54] <lazyPower> thats great news \o/
[14:59] <bdx> here are another few layers I've hacked up recently
[14:59] <bdx> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-nginx-passenger
[14:59] <bdx> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-postfix
[15:00] <bdx> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-git-deploy
[15:00] <bdx> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-apache2
[15:00] <bdx> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-phalcon
[15:00] <bdx> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-consul-base
[15:02] <lazyPower> bdx - we should seriously, sync and divvy up the work on the elastic stack
[15:02] <lazyPower> bdx - the goalpost got moved on me, and its not coming as soon as I was hoping. I'm wiling to put in some time if you are to split that work up and deliver the 5.0 elastic stack
[15:03] <bdx> lazyPower: fully down man .... I've been training up a two man charming team at work ... few hours a day ... its been great all around
[15:03] <bdx> we would be interested in teaming up on that
[15:03] <bdx> for sure
[15:03] <lazyPower> word, calendar sync on thursday then to meet/greet and figure out what we need to do?
[15:03] <lazyPower> i have some early planning docs that i need to fish up and dust of
[15:04] <bdx> totally .... I'm in palm springs till sunday and wont be around much, lets shoot for next week sometime
[15:04] <bdx> monday?
[15:04] <lazyPower> that sounds even better
[15:05] <lazyPower> i may need to resched due to having team members at kubecon, i'll be running support for them
[15:05] <lazyPower> but tentatively that sounds great to me
[15:05] <bdx> sweet!
[15:05] <lazyPower> excellent :)
[15:06] <lazyPower> bdx preferred time?
[15:06] <bdx> 9am my time
[15:06] <bdx> so like an hour from now
[15:06] <bdx> does that work for you?
[15:07] <bdx> want me to send you a calendar invite?
[15:08] <lazyPower> bdx  you've got mail
[15:32] <bdxbdx> Marcoceppi: do you also have a Jenkins-slave going on?
[15:33] <bdxbdx> marcoceppi: having Jenkins and Jenkins slave on xenial will be huge .... Lxd local provider + juju 2.0 can't really happen
[15:33] <bdxbdx> On any other series
[15:34] <bdxbdx> For Jenkins <-> juju ci pipelines I'm thinking it will be crucial to have this
[15:43] <lazyPower> bdx - there's an open jenkins layer review we could use your eyeballs on
[15:44] <lazyPower> ooo and to my surprise its already landed
[16:11] <bdx> lazyPower, marcoceppi: not sure I can accept the invite -> https://s12.postimg.org/8lcvygobx/Screen_Shot_2016_11_02_at_9_10_36_AM.png
[16:11] <bdx> its on my calendar though
[16:32] <bdx> nm, git it,  accepted
[16:32] <lazyPower> solid
[16:32] <lazyPower> bdx - should we make this a hangout on air and invite the community at large?
[16:33] <lazyPower> i can also reach out to my contacts at elastic to see if they are interested in participating from a curious onlooker position. They might be able to lend a body for planning and insights.
[16:33] <bdx> lazyPower: totally
[16:33] <bdx> lazyPower: my guys over here want to be part of this too
[16:34] <lazyPower> bdx ok, let me see what i can do when jcastro surfaces. He's got all this down to a science
[16:34] <lazyPower> thanks for agreeing to help chair this effort :)
[16:34] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - if you're interested, you're invited toooooo
[16:35] <jcastro> who needs help?
[16:36] <magicaltrout> i'm always interested in taking on yet more unpaid work! ;)
[16:37] <jcastro> lazyPower: hangouts on air went away, the tldr is you'd do it on youtube like how with gaming.youtube
[16:37] <jcastro> there's a little panel for livestreaming, etc.
[16:38] <lazyPower> ahhh
[16:38] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - well i didn't mean it like that, but i appreciate the sentiment :D <3
[16:38] <magicaltrout> lol
[16:38] <magicaltrout> whatever :P
[16:38] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - i was just thinking you likely have a stake in this as its solving little data problems too
[16:39] <magicaltrout> this is true
[16:39] <magicaltrout> i've been abusing people at work recently over elastic stuff
[16:39] <jcastro> man this new kibana looks so sweet though
[16:39] <lazyPower> i'm
[16:39] <lazyPower> sayin
[16:39] <lazyPower> they did a bang up job on the 5.0 release
[16:40] <jcastro> it's like, I don't even want to use the old one at all anymore
[16:41] <bdx> jcastroyeah, we all want it
[16:41] <lazyPower> sorry they kept teasing me with getting to work on that stack :\
[16:41] <lazyPower> we had other bigger ticket items
[16:42] <admcleod1> dont forget fast data
[16:42] <lazyPower> soooo free time it is :D
[16:42] <lazyPower> admcleod1 - que?
[16:42] <admcleod1> big, little and fast data
[16:42] <magicaltrout> fast big data?
[16:42] <lazyPower> is there a slow data too?
[16:42] <magicaltrout> absoutely
[16:42] <lazyPower> what about obtuse data vs acute data? now we just sound classist.
[16:42] <magicaltrout> have you ever been introduced to Map Reduce?
[16:42] <admcleod1> irc is pretty slow data
[16:42] <lazyPower> once
[16:42] <lazyPower> it was horrible
[16:43] <magicaltrout> MapR is about as admcleod1 on a good day
[16:43] <lazyPower> ooooo
[16:43] <jrwren> databased on filesystems backed by remote block devices over gigabit is slow data.
[16:43] <admcleod1> he's such a snuggly bunny
[16:43] <magicaltrout> currently i'm dealing with TB's of data... on NFS
[16:44] <magicaltrout> now that is slow data
[16:44] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - did you use glusterfs-nfs or just plain ole nfs?
[16:44] <magicaltrout> oh, pretty much what jrwren said :)
[16:44] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: not my call, plain NFS
[16:44]  * lazyPower nods
[16:44] <magicaltrout> either way, if you want fast data, don't store it on NFS
[16:44]  * lazyPower pins that message to the channel
[16:45] <magicaltrout> well the other day I got someone complaining that copying 100GB of data on an NFS cluster on EC2 took 1 1/2 hours
[16:45] <jrwren> 4.9 kernel adds supoprt for NFS4.2 COPY... so you can look forward to that speed up ;]
[16:45] <magicaltrout> this is correct! then doing it on a machine locally took a few seconds
[16:46] <lazyPower> evilnickveitch - did we get 2.0.1 release notes? i thought i saw a merge email fly by on friday but i cant seem to find it
[16:46] <jrwren> magicaltrout: was it EBS backed? EBS can be very slow sometimes.
[16:46] <magicaltrout> yeah jrwren
[16:47] <admcleod1> magicaltrout: have you tried fastnfs?
[16:47] <magicaltrout> my Sys Admin guy is putting his eggs into the Amazon EFS basket and waiting to migrate to that
[16:48] <magicaltrout> you making up words again admcleod1 ?
[16:48] <bdx> he is
[16:48] <magicaltrout> thanks
[16:48] <admcleod1> yes, yes i am
[16:48] <bdx> made me look
[16:48] <bdx> jerk
[16:48] <magicaltrout> hehe
[16:49] <evilnickveitch> lazyPower, not any that made their way to docs - I think it was just an email to the list. i will check into that
[16:49] <lazyPower> ok thanks, i must have conflated the mail to the list with a doc pr. :) my b
[16:52] <evilnickveitch> lazyPower, there was a doc PR to update the sources for the new release, but no notes, so your brain isn't that wonky
[16:52] <lazyPower> evilnickveitch - how much longer before i've earned the 'mad scientist' badge?
[16:52] <lazyPower> s/before/until/
[16:53] <evilnickveitch> I think you are halfway there
[16:53] <lazyPower> \m/,  yesssss
[17:01] <admcleod> halfway to zeno maybe
[17:52] <jcastro> stokachu: battlemidget!
[17:52] <jcastro> have you tried doing conjure-up, juju, and lxd all from snaps?
[18:47] <stokachu> jcastro: yea it doens't work
[18:47] <stokachu> not easily anyway
[18:49] <stokachu> jcastro: https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/tree/master/snapcraft thats our snap build stuff
[18:49] <stokachu> havent ran it in a bit though
[18:54] <jcastro> yeah, the one I'm using is also trying to launch observable kubernetes
[20:11] <deanman> Is docker charms supported with localhost LXD setup? I've tried both the 'observable-swarm' and 'swarm
[20:11] <lazyPower> deanman - those bundles are old, but in short, that configuration is not supported today
[20:12] <lazyPower> deanman - there is work being done to make running docker containers in lxd a better story, right now you can even pilot some of that manually with lxd profiles (the lxd docker profile is available in newer lxd packages) but you'll still find a lot of limitations there
[20:13] <deanman> lazyPower: Can you suggest a working charm to test docker locally using Juju or only safe bet is using some cloud infrastructure?
[20:13] <lazyPower> deanman - the only way you can achieve a layer-docker based charm working locally today is to use a VM backed substrate like KVM or VirtualBox (both on the manual provider, RIP KVM provider) so a majority of the work on those charm are performed in the cloud on aws/gce/azure
[20:15] <deanman> lazyPower: Thanks for the hints!


[09:27] <mr_pouit> micahg: +1 for alacarte, thanks.
[09:48] <knome> micahg, mmh, yeah, ship alacarte :)
[09:48] <micahg> do we need this for beta 1 and do we have testers?
[09:51] <knome> Unit193, do we have testers?
[09:54] <mr_pouit> (this should be safe, but if we don't have enough testers, we can add it after the beta)
[09:55] <mr_pouit> micahg: feel free to revert http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/354 and upload x-d-s 12.04.8 (I can't upload until ~18 utc)
[09:55] <mr_pouit> the nm-applet bug should be fixed
[09:58] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, I guess I can do that before bed so we get working images
[09:59] <knome> micahg, mr_pouit: thanks for both of you - it's very much appreciated :)
[10:02] <micahg> mr_pouit: is the applet useful on the images?
[10:02] <micahg> I geuss it would be
[10:02] <mr_pouit> well, it's invisible with the current x-d-s :(
[10:03] <mr_pouit> so people will think nm is missing
[10:03] <mr_pouit> "gconftool-2 -s /apps/nm-applet/show-applet -t bool true"
[10:03] <mr_pouit> or we could add that to the releases notes
[10:05] <micahg> let me ask
[10:13] <micahg> ok, green light, I'm making the other changes we discussed as well
[10:33] <knome> i'm out ->
[10:33]  * micahg -> zzz, packages uploaded, images should be respun once those are published
[10:39] <mr_pouit> yay, thanks!
[18:02] <leo-unglaub> hey guys
[18:03] <leo-unglaub> i am currently hacking the task manager
[18:03] <pleia2> knome: cleaning up my test system, any reason for me to keep xubuntu.p.c active? (planning on just disabling it in apache for now)
[18:03] <leo-unglaub> and i am addding some expert features
[18:03] <leo-unglaub> anything you want in there?
[18:03] <leo-unglaub> some features?
[18:26] <knome> pleia2, nope :)
[18:27]  * pleia2 a2dissite!
[18:33] <Unit193> knome: Don't ask me, I don't know. I'm syncing them myself though.
[19:20] <knome> pleia2, you admin of the xubuntu-dev mailing list?
[19:20] <knome> and how come i am not
[19:21] <knome> mr_pouit, micahg: can you elaborate with me on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest ?
[19:21] <knome> mr_pouit, micahg: is that fine?
[19:22] <knome> skaet, will the announcement for xubuntu be handled by somebody else for ubuntu-announce?
[19:22] <pleia2> knome: nope
[19:22] <knome> pleia2, right'o
[19:23] <knome> cody-somerville, you admin of the xubuntu-devel mailing list? could i have some access right pleeeease
[19:23] <skaet> knome,  not quite sure I'm following? ...  I'll have links like we've done in the past.
[19:23]  * skaet goes look up historical one..
[19:24] <knome> skaet, yeah, that's fine. i was just asking re: the link you sent me
[19:24] <knome> err, the link i posted on this channel too ;)
[19:25] <cody-somerville> knome, see pm
[19:25] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-September/000362.html
[19:27] <skaet> knome,  ok - will be looking for content from the xubuntu team (you and others)...   Comments of what you're wanting should go into the beta should go:
[19:27] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview
[19:27] <skaet> for the release we'll be following something similar but differnt link to gather release notes.
[19:28] <skaet> let me know who might be sending out an announce to the xubuntu users, and I'll ping them when the ubuntu one is ready
[19:28] <knome> skaet, pleia2 should take care of that w/ me
[19:29] <skaet> knome,  pleia2 - coolio.  :)   will ping you in this channel then.  ;)
[19:30] <knome> skaet, sure, thanks
[19:31] <knome> pleia2, you still in?
[19:33] <pleia2> knome: yep, that's fine
[19:33] <knome> okay, good
[19:35] <pleia2> I don't actually know our changes though, so I can more help on reviewing
[19:43] <knome> well, we should be able to gather the changes from http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html
[19:45] <pleia2> ok
[19:49] <Unit193> knome: Something you wanted tested?
[19:49] <knome> Unit193, alacarte
[19:50] <Unit193> Figured, alright.
[21:05] <Unit193> Alacarte is installed and seems to be working, but I don't see it in the menu...
[21:07] <baizon> under settings?
[21:07] <baizon> i can see it
[21:09] <Unit193> Precise?
[21:10] <Unit193> Oh, doh... Thought it was called something else, disregard that. :P
[21:10] <Unit193> baizon: Thanks :facepalms:
[21:24] <baizon> Unit193: np


[12:27] <cmaloney> morning
[13:41] <jrwren> good morning.
[13:41] <jrwren> i needed to look at a fresh haproxy 1.8 behavior so I tried to spin up 18.04 on a never before used lxc and it didn't work. I don't know why I thought to use lxc, but when it didnt work I used docker which worked just fine.
[13:42] <jrwren> and I wonder why I don't use lxc. :)
[13:42] <jrwren> How is your morning going?
[13:47] <cmaloney> LXC should have worked
[13:47] <cmaloney> I prefer LXC over Docker, but that's personal preference
[13:47] <cmaloney> that said the networking in lxc is a bit wonky
[13:48] <cmaloney> So far so good. Getting started with the day and what-not
[13:48] <cmaloney> waiting for wal-g to download a 4+ TB database
[13:48] <cmaloney> Got my new (to me) router and a 1.2GB down modem
[13:49] <cmaloney> and this thing is plodding away at less than 40Mbps
[13:49] <cmaloney> Sorry, < 6oMbps
[13:49] <cmaloney> and I'm being generous
[14:02] <jrwren> IME networking is always wonky. avoid it as much as possible. use docker -net host if you can ;)
[14:02] <cmaloney> But I hate Docker? :)
[14:02] <jrwren> I did, until I didn't.
[14:03] <jrwren> podman is a nice docker work alike
[14:03] <cmaloney> I miht have to check that out


[01:26] <lynorian> I might not be around for this meeting I am going to see my grandparents and might not be back in time
[01:39] <pleia2> I will be on a plane during it, AGAIN
[04:15] <lynorian> nhaines will you lead the meeting?


[03:20] <mup> Bug #2032720 opened: MaaS should show alert messages when network interfaces of deployed machines are modified  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2032720>
[22:09] <mup> Bug #2032849 opened: Commissioning changes password in MAAS but not on node <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2032849>


[00:35] <sladen> pleia2: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+filebug?field.title=Publish+Precise+Pangolin+logo+as+vector+SVG and I'll try and work with marcashaslam tomorrow to find it
[00:46]  * pleia2 submits :)
[08:53] <sladen> morning
[09:26] <sladen> jnick_tait: are you going to reschedule the cancelled meeting from yesterday?
[09:27] <sladen> jnick_tait: eg. is there space to arrange something later today?
[09:27] <sladen> jnick_tait: ta
[10:43] <MacSlow> hey sladen
[10:43] <Wyboredras> so...
[10:43] <Wyboredras> anyone else online?
[10:44] <MacSlow> sladen, do we know yet if we'll do a phone-call on Thursday or stick to IRC (here)?
[10:44] <MacSlow> hey Wyboredras
[10:44] <Wyboredras> sup
[10:44] <Wyboredras> hum...
[10:44] <MacSlow> Wyboredras, there are some folks here
[10:44] <Wyboredras> are we still going to tackle games?
[10:44] <Wyboredras> oh, sheers, MacSlow
[10:44] <Wyboredras> cheers*
[10:45] <MacSlow> Wyboredras, I don't think so
[10:45] <Wyboredras> what? wasn't that the purpose?
[10:46] <MacSlow> Wyboredras, not that I know of... can't recall "games" to have ever come up during the discussion at the UDS-session
[10:46] <Wyboredras> what is our target now?
[10:47] <MacSlow> Wyboredras, we'll still need to figure that out
[10:48] <Wyboredras> oh... but what happened then? why did the purpose cahnge? and wouldn't it be better if everyone worked by themselves and just annouced what app they're doing?
[10:53] <MacSlow> Wyboredras, do you refer to the "branding in games" topic of the blueprint?
[10:59] <sladen> MacSlow: can't see anything in the diary for Thursday.  But I'm happy either way.  Who else is going to be on;  I can be in Millbank if it's easier
[11:00] <MacSlow> sladen, Allison told me (via eMail)
[11:00] <MacSlow> sladen, but not sure if you're also involved in the efforts behind this very blueprint... added my name for an action-item during the uds-session.
[11:01] <sladen> MacSlow: this is $this blueprint?
[11:03] <MacSlow> sladen, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-p-design-and-community
[11:08]  * sladen subscribes
[15:05] <sladen> pleia2: I've found the pangolin t-shirt logo
[15:05] <sladen> pleia2: just need to put it up somewhere
[15:55] <doctormo-other> sladen: Can you upload it to spreadubuntu ?
[15:55] <sladen> doctormo-other: I'm also working to Tom (who drew) it on a blog article
[15:56] <sladen> doctormo-other: question is whether to upload it /as part of that going out/, or to stick the PDF somewhere and then follow-up later
[15:57] <sladen> doctormo-other: working /with/ Tom
[16:03] <doctormo-other> sladen: Who owns the copyright?
[16:04] <doctormo-other> sladen: If you can, email it to me, I'll process it into an svg and upload it to the right places, please include copyright information and license.
[16:20] <sladen> doctormo-other: Copyright Canonical.  What licence do you recommend?
[16:21] <doctormo-other> sladen: Creative Commons, Attribution is typical for these types or works, the addition of share-alike is likewise good for ensuring derivatives remain open.
[16:21] <sladen> CC-BY-SA ?
[16:22] <doctormo-other> yes
[16:22] <sladen> groovy
[17:13] <thorwil> sladen: wouldn't the best place for such graphics be the toolkit?
[17:14] <thorwil> http://design.canonical.com/brand/, within a new folder reserved for per-version graphics
[17:15] <doctormo-other> thorwil: Depends if it's a core brand or not
[17:15] <doctormo-other> I admit it would be cool to get a release toolkit, esp for the LTS
[17:23] <sladen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+bug/890497  ... suggestions on there
[17:23] <sladen> I can put it where-ever would be best
[17:23] <sladen> plan is to write a blog post with some of the working intermediate design steps
[17:23] <sladen> and at that point we can point to whereever would be best
[17:23] <sladen> best/preferred
[19:43] <sladen> thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Precise  until there's somewhere more appropriate
[19:45] <thorwil> ok
[20:03] <pleia2> sladen: thank you so much!


[10:19] <cpaelzer> rbasak: would you (or any other SRU member) have opinion/guidance how should michal-maloszews continue on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1957320/comments/11
[10:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1957320 in nginx (Ubuntu Jammy) "Cannot restart nginx when listening on UNIX domain sockets" [Low, In Progress]
[11:13] <rbasak> Looking
[15:00] <dbungert> @pilot in
[15:01] <ogra> will there be drinks and food served ?
[15:54] <UnivrslSuprBox> `src:kpimtextedit (23.04.2-0ubuntu1)` was published to mantic's release pocket yesterday. However, `libkf5pimtextedit-data` is still version `22.12.3-0ubuntu1` and its source package no longer exists in the mantic archive. Has something unexpected happened or are there just long-running processes that still haven't finished?
[16:04] <enr0n> UnivrslSuprBox: according to the changelog, that binary package was renamed to libkpim5textedit-data (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpimtextedit/23.04.2-0ubuntu1)
[16:07] <enr0n> so libkf5pimtextedit-data is NBS (https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/nbs.html), so an AA has to resolve that I think
[16:07] <UnivrslSuprBox> enr0n: thanks. Hmm. I'll have to dig back on how I hit this dependency. Something I requested wanted `libkf5pimtextedit-data` and got version `22.12.3-0ubuntu1`, then tried to trace back to its source package. It sounds like that package needs to be updated.
[16:46] <vorlon> enr0n, UnivrslSuprBox: transition still in progress, a lot of rebuilds + migrations to happen before we remove all the NBS
[16:53] <mateus-morais> Hi team, I am looking for a review and sponsorship for a merge on the adduser package (bug 2021498). Thank you!
[16:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2021498 in adduser (Ubuntu) "Please merge 3.134 into mantic" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2021498
[16:57] <kanashiro[m]> mateus-morais: did you try to use the git-ubuntu workflow to do the merge?
[16:57] <kanashiro[m]> Here is some doc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging/GitWorkflow
[16:58] <kanashiro[m]> And even if you do not use git-ubuntu, usually people attach a debdiff to the bug
[17:08] <mateus-morais> kanashiro[m]: I did, but I decided to go that route because 1. there's a ubuntu/devel branch on salsa that has the ubuntu delta commits by feature, which made rebasing easier 2. the delta isn't currently in the form of patches, but applied directly to source (see: https://salsa.debian.org/mateus-morais/adduser/-/commits/ubuntu/devel/). Any
[17:08] <mateus-morais> suggestions?
[17:14] <kanashiro[m]> right, adduser is a native package. It seems that bdrung pushed this ubuntu/devel branch on salsa git repo. You could try to coordinate with him to get your changes merged there as well. In the bug, you could at least attach a debdiff to ease the review.
[17:20] <mateus-morais> Ok, will do!
[17:23] <UnivrslSuprBox> vorlon: regardless of when NBS has to occur, the source package was removed from the repository before all of its binary packages were. Is that expected/desirable?
[17:26] <vorlon> UnivrslSuprBox: yes
[19:00] <dbungert> @pilot out
[20:46] <sergiodj> I just found out that packages whose d/copyright are symlinks are rejected when uploaded.  git-annex is one of those packages
[20:46] <sergiodj> ugh
[20:47] <ahasenack> symlink to what? Some "main" copy in one specific binary package?
[20:47] <ahasenack> or to the common licenses somewhere in /usr/share?
[20:47] <sergiodj> git-annex is a package from a former (prolific) DD, and he maintains the copyright upstream (in d/copyright format)
[20:48] <sergiodj> so it's a link to ../COPYRIGHT
[20:48] <ahasenack> was the rejection automated?
[20:48] <sergiodj> yes
[20:48] <ahasenack> so something lintian-like
[20:48] <sergiodj> probably
[20:49] <sergiodj> I hacked the source package and uploaded it again, let's see if it
[20:49] <sergiodj> it's accepted*
[20:49] <sergiodj> hopefully this is just a temporary delta until Debian adopts the changes I'm proposing
[20:51] <sergiodj> but it's interesting to see that the autosync process apparently bypasses these checks
[21:29] <cjwatson> sergiodj: Please file a bug against Launchpad if our checks are out of sync in that way with Debian (i.e. we reject something that Debian would have accepted) - that's generally undesirable and I'd consider it a bug
[21:29] <cjwatson> (all other things being equal, at least)
[21:29] <sergiodj> cjwatson: will do
[21:30] <cjwatson> That test dates back to 2010
[21:30] <cjwatson> I'm not sure whether it was in imitation of a Debian check, or whether it's there as a crude way to prevent symlinks escaping the source tree
[21:46] <rbasak> git-annex has had a delta for git-annex for this reason in the past.


[18:40] <macvr> thorwil: hi... busy?
[18:55] <thorwil> macvr: not quite yet
[18:56] <macvr> thorwil: just waiting for your feedback about the folder, emblem default , when you are free... :)
[18:59] <thorwil> macvr: your folder icon seems to be slightly distorted.
[18:59] <macvr> thorwil: i wanted to add the perspective...
[18:59] <macvr> but not too much , since not all wanted a lot
[18:59] <thorwil> macvr: the left side suggests a more from-the-side perspective than it actually has
[19:00] <thorwil> it's too narrow in proportion
[19:02] <macvr> hmmm... based it on sebastien's concept> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Discussion
[19:02] <thorwil> macvr: try a slightly smaller slash for emblem-default. the shape is good
[19:02] <macvr> guess i didnt get it done well
[19:02] <macvr> smaller slash?
[19:02] <macvr> you mean check  mark?
[19:03] <thorwil> right :)
[19:03] <macvr> for all sizes?
[19:03] <thorwil> macvr: not for smallest 2
[19:03] <macvr> ok...
[19:04] <thorwil> macvr: the largest can do with extra padding to make it more relaxed
[19:04] <thorwil> macvr: try to see the "weight", to balance it / get to a good composition
[19:05] <macvr> thorwil: ok... I'll see what i can do
[19:05] <thorwil> macvr: those folders on the discussion page seem to have parallel lines, no vanishing point
[19:05] <macvr> thorwil: hence i added slight vanishing points
[19:06] <macvr> but maybe i havent gotten it fully,
[19:06] <macvr> thorwil: i wanted to go full out 3D but, then it wont be accepted ;p
[19:08] <thorwil> macvr: subtle perspective can be extra hard to achieve
[19:08] <macvr> i know... :(
[19:08] <macvr> ok... i'll edit , as much as i can without messing it up :)
[21:15] <SiDi> http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5853/capture3p.png
[22:19] <SiDi> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=107942 feedback welcome :)


[04:09] <cmaloney> evening
[04:10] <rick_h_> yucky ride home
[04:10] <rick_h_> one idiot decided he'd just pull off to the side of the road (in the right lane) as I came up behind him
[04:11] <cmaloney> ugh
[04:11] <cmaloney> i think they aren't plowing or saltimg
[04:13] <rick_h_> I saw one truck up by the palace
[04:13] <rick_h_> doing the left shoulder
[04:13] <DrDaemonEye> cmaloney: I saw them starting to plow here in AA
[04:17] <cmaloney> ah, maybe they were waiting
[04:17] <cmaloney> rick_h_: glad you made it home OK
[04:17] <rick_h_> party
[04:22] <rick_h_> holy crap! https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/535201421596315648
[04:23] <DrDaemonEye> cmaloney: probably... wanted to make sure the snow stopped before plowing it
[04:24] <DrDaemonEye> rick_h_: yep.  I heard the fire and police departments were making their rounds on foot due to the snow
[04:24] <rick_h_> what rounds? you'd be lucky to get to the mailbox before the end of your shift
[04:24] <DrDaemonEye> lol, true there
[04:25] <rick_h_> I want to see a national guard tank in that snow
[04:25] <rick_h_> 6ft of it?!
[04:25] <DrDaemonEye> lol.  Probably gotta figure out how to remove the gun and place a snowblower on said tank first.
[04:26] <rick_h_> flame thrower tank!
[04:26] <DrDaemonEye> hah!
[12:28] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Which noise-canceling headphones do you have / recommend?
[12:33] <cmaloney> Asking for a friend looking for recc.
[13:48] <brousch> Any opinions on Jolla and Sailfish OS? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet
[13:50] <rick_h_> yay another mobile OS to find/need apps for and that won't integrate as well with everything else I own
[13:50] <rick_h_> is my summary
[13:50] <brousch> Linux-based. Looks like SDK is Qt
[13:51] <brousch> Someone people complain that the OS non-free components
[13:56] <cmaloney> Maemo was Qt based
[13:56] <cmaloney> so not sure that Qt is a selling point
[13:58] <brousch> Europeans seem excited
[14:01] <cmaloney> Europeans get excited over anything Qt related.
[14:01] <cmaloney> They were excited over the Nokia 770
[14:02] <cmaloney> "Designed in Finland"
[14:03] <brousch> Oh, it says it will run Android apps
[14:03] <cmaloney> Honestly it'd be news if something Qt was released that Europeans DIDN'T get excited about
[14:05] <cmaloney> "Blah blah is Qt based, yet curiously nobody in Europe seems to care. Experts are puzzled by this development. When asked about why nobody in Europe was interested in blah blah Simon Phipps was uncharacteristically mute on the subject."
[16:41] <brousch> Ah, Jolla tablet is on slashdot. Now i can get some real opinions
[16:45] <rick_h_> lol
[16:59] <cmaloney> hah
[17:19] <DrDaemonEye> w00t!  50 degrees on Monday!
[17:26] <cmaloney> Can't get here soon enough
[17:42] <greg-g> 54 and raining here now
[17:42] <greg-g> two days of rain is magical
[17:42] <greg-g> though, annoying for Rowan, of course
[18:19] <_stink_> current sys tarball is 885MB expanded
[18:19] <_stink_> plus the tarball itself is like 284MB
[18:19] <_stink_> so like 1.2GB total space for this
[18:19] <brousch> For what?
[18:19] <_stink_> haha
[18:19] <_stink_> mischan :()
[18:20] <brousch> I will sell this info to the highest bidder
[18:20] <_stink_> i offer 1 cent
[18:20] <_stink_> do i win?
[18:21] <brousch> So far
[18:21] <brousch> I'll need that in bitcoins
[18:22] <cmaloney> brousch: Here you go: 59dab820de33accd3f8f8dfc85ab8e8190120cb2cedd116a99ace284fc0ae535
[18:23] <cmaloney> Or better yet: 5de6dae923390954d17f0f27a72e5814aca8cc5ebb62e911240b7920bfa786db
[18:25] <brousch> Will I be arrested if I try those?
[18:26] <cmaloney> (That's the result of `echo "Please pay Ben Tiberius Rousch the amount of $.01 in Bitcoin funny money." | sha256sum`)
[18:27] <greg-g> :)
[18:27] <brousch> BitCoin is 4realzyo!
[18:28] <brousch> I made 11% profit on my bitcoins in 1 month
[18:28] <cmaloney> And you are currently doing what with them?
[18:29] <jcastro> jrwren, wanna go to washlug tonight?
[18:29] <brousch> Nothing. They are back in USD until I get brave again
[18:30] <cmaloney> Some faith. :)
[18:30] <jrwren> jcastro: no.
[18:30] <jrwren> jcastro: if I were leaving the house tonight, it would be for Nerd Night Ann Arbor.
[18:30] <jcastro> not my juju talk?
[18:30] <jcastro> I hate you
[18:31] <jrwren> jcastro: oh, is that the topic? sorry, I didn't know.
[18:31] <jcastro> it's ok, I got it
[18:31] <jrwren> jcastro: when was the last time you were at lugwash?
[18:31] <jcastro> going to do elasticsearch and maybe hadoop
[18:31] <jcastro> I dunno, a year ago or so?
[18:32] <jrwren> jcastro: ah, cool. I haven't been in at least 5, maybe 7 or 8.
[18:33] <brousch> Some Linux zealots you are!
[18:33] <cmaloney> When was the last time you were at MUG jcastro ? :)
[18:34] <jcastro> not _that_ long ago
[18:34] <brousch> I wonder if actually getting paid to work on Linux diminishes your community involvement.
[18:34] <jcastro> well, I also don't live there
[18:34] <cmaloney> Certainly cuts into the free time
[18:34] <jcastro> ann arbor is a haul from the rest of metro detroit
[18:34] <jrwren> brousch: we don't get paid to work on linux :p
[18:34] <jcastro> jill still thinks we live in royal oak and is like "We're going to my mom's for dinner"
[18:35] <jcastro> it's like, we don't like in RO, that's like an hour each way
[18:35] <cmaloney> jcastro: I lived in Belleville. I can relate.
[18:35] <brousch> That's silly. I got to MUG in 2 hours
[18:35] <cmaloney> brousch: That's because nobody drives west of Telegraph.
[18:35] <jrwren> i live in Ann Arbor. if it takes more than 15min to get there, it is too far.
[18:36] <jcastro> dude I can't even leave AA in less than 20 minutes
[18:36] <jcastro> traffic
[18:36] <jrwren> jcastro: you moved to the wrong side of town :p
[18:36] <jcastro> shrug
[18:36] <cmaloney> Sorry, I meant US-23
[19:10] <DrDaemonEye> jrwren: that is true about Ann Arbor.  :)
[19:11] <DrDaemonEye> Except for when there is a game... then it is within a half hour's walk.
[19:50] <brousch> Wow, I didn't think this game was over. It sure doesn't look like a win for me, but it is http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=941896
[19:56] <cmaloney> It's all about the territory.
[19:57] <cmaloney> Not sure where you're getting that its a win for you
[19:58] <brousch> The lower right is all dead black
[19:58] <cmaloney> It's showing as contested on my screen
[19:58] <brousch> It was very tricky to not die
[19:58] <brousch> He is scoring it now
[19:59] <cmaloney> Even so, is that going to make up the difference?
[19:59] <brousch> Actually all of the blacks inside the white are dead
[19:59] <cmaloney> I'm not seeing the win
[20:00] <cmaloney> I'll be interested in seeing the final score.
[20:00] <brousch> It's about 56 to 64
[20:00] <brousch> 67
[20:00] <cmaloney> Wow
[20:00] <brousch> I wondered why he was being so persistent in there
[20:01] <brousch> I didn't think that was enough to win
[20:19] <brousch> cmaloney: Counted now http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=941896
[20:21] <greg-g> what's komi?
[20:22] <cmaloney> It's a handicap for the player who goes second
[20:22] <greg-g> huh
[20:22] <cmaloney> brousch: Huh, interesting
[20:22] <cmaloney> It can also be used for players that are unevenly matched
[20:23] <cmaloney> but usually it's 6.5 points
[20:23] <cmaloney> eg. brousch gives me 3 stones handicap, but adjusts the Komi so it's less (3.5 points)
[20:23] <cmaloney> lots of ways to play with the final score.
[20:24] <brousch> I'm playing a series of 7x7 games with a 21k. We've adjust the komi so it is very close
[20:24] <brousch> 7x7 is interesting.
[20:25] <cmaloney> 7x7 must be insane with you
[20:25] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komidashi <- greg-g
[20:25] <brousch> Why with me?
[20:26] <cmaloney> It's a relatively recent addition to Go
[20:26] <cmaloney> brousch: You're a capturinig machine
[20:26] <cmaloney> I find if I miss one move with you I lose half my pieces.
[20:26] <brousch> It's hard to capture because the walls are so close
[20:26] <cmaloney> Right, but you're rather aggressive
[20:27] <brousch> apparently
[20:27] <brousch> I think that means I don't reinforce my position well ;)
[20:29] <mrgoodcat> i havent been playing as much as i'd like
[20:29] <mrgoodcat> i think the only games i'm in are with brousch and cmaloney right now actually
[20:29] <mrgoodcat> and i'm playing slow at that
[20:29] <brousch> cmaloney: I'm in u
[20:33] <cmaloney> blergh
[20:33] <cmaloney> brb
[21:47] <brousch> cmaloney: Maybe you're right. I feel a little sorry for this guy (start at move 91) http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=942322
[22:17] <cmaloney> Hello from OCC
[22:27] <jrwren> oh hai
[22:45] <cmaloney> Man, this network is quite good
[23:08] <cmaloney> Someone here is trying to play the Tetris theme on the piano


[03:38] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: controls 2.1 is a thing
[03:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Saw that! Already headed to hirsute
[03:39] <OvenWerks> no new bugs seem to have shown up.
 dont jinx it lol
[03:43] <OvenWerks> teward: :)
[03:43]  * OvenWerks has from 2.1.1 to 2.1.99 to fix bugs :(
[14:40] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer OvenWerks I upgraded my Ubuntu Budgie to Hirsute dev. Branch. It had studio tools installed and configured. No issue at all with the upgrade. Studio controls and autojack kept all settings, device,  bridge configuration.  The only weird thing was that carla disappeared. Having said that, all I had to so was reinstall via studio installer. After reboot my carla autostart login script started
[14:40] <MauroGaspari[m]> working again.  All good so far.
[14:40] <MauroGaspari[m]> Please let me know if there is anything else you want me to test.
[17:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: I find it odd that Carla went missing. It's not even a dependency of Studio Controls, so that seems odd. Honestly, I doubt that would happen on a clean install or upgrade since it's part of the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage, so I'm not sure what happened there.
[18:27] <MauroGaspari[m]> <Eickmeyer[m] "Mauro Gaspari: I find it odd tha"> No worries and I was just reporting my findings. A very minimal hiccup I fixed in less than a minute. Plus it was probably an edge case within an edge case 😆. If you think it is useful, I can try and upgrade my ubuntu studio to dev. branch and see if it happens there as well.
[18:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: That's up to you, but you're probably right that it was an edge case.
[18:30] <MauroGaspari[m]> I was pleased to see that despite what it seems a major change in studio controls, that worked flawlessly and all my custom settings were there after the upgrade. A super solid experience.  Thanks guys for the excellent work. 👍👍👍
[19:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> All the credit for that goes to OvenWerks .
[19:11] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: I added an extra script that nothing else but look for the version of the old config and create a new config from it.
[19:12] <OvenWerks> I am hoping this will help keep on top of such things
[20:18] <MauroGaspari[m]> <OvenWerks "Mauro Gaspari: I added an extra "> Wow, thanks OvenWerks  that was very well thought. It certainly did great and people will appreciate attention to such details.


[17:28] <ahoneybun> wxl, where do I need to be for the meeting?
[17:29] <wxl> ahoneybun: #ubuntu-communitycouncil in 30 mins