[02:19] <sileni> MoTec: yay everything is back to normal
[02:19] <sileni> thank you soo much
[02:19] <scarby> karmic_copper mines uninstalled fine, no errors come up yet, the icon is still at the top, so I guess I'll see after I reboot later
[02:19] <karmic_police> ok.. i see it.. evolution data server
[02:19] <MickG> Repeat - Need suggestions on how to get openGL working on a Diamond Stealth ||| - S3 Savage4 card (if that's possible).
[02:19] <MoTec> sileni: you're welcome
[02:19] <PingFloyd> anybody else having troubles with getting 9.10 to work right with fglrx driver?
[02:19] <Halitech> PingFloyd, what ati card?
[02:19] <sileni> why do people install linux then try to run IE through wine ?
[02:20] <jayferd> scarby and karmic_police:  you can remove all the evolution packages except for evolution-data-server and evolution-data-server-common without borking ubuntu.  these packages i believe are used by other apps.
[02:20] <samuels> sileni: cos
[02:20] <sileni> is there some feature IE offers that fire fox doesn't have?
[02:20] <samuels> sileni: sin, tan, loL
[02:20] <sevenless> sileni: I ran Notepad in wine :-)
[02:20] <PingFloyd> Halitech: ati mobility radeon hd 4570
[02:20] <Powerplay> hi guys
[02:20] <karmic_police> thanks.. will try and cross fingers.. hehe\
[02:20] <samuels> sileni: let'st alk about trigonometry lol
[02:20] <Powerplay> does anyone whether irc.freenode.net is down?
[02:20] <idono> Does anybody know if there is a way to make say, gmail, replace evolution in the integration with gnome?
[02:20] <Halitech> sileni, compatibility with lazy web developers
[02:20] <Powerplay> got probs connecting to the server
[02:20] <Sneex> any one familiar with the ufw (firewall) - what is the proper way to add custom rules and make them stick beyond a simple ufw disable; ufw enable? (Much less survive a reboot?)
[02:20] <MickG> There are some sites that require ie - try the Citi login screen in firefox
[02:20] <Travis1> ok thank you
[02:20] <losha> mgmuscari: I think the real flaw with your backup plan is that if the lvm stuff gets corrupted, you've spent a long time backing up an already corrupt device. Much better to backup at the file level using tar or rsync or some such...
[02:20] <Halitech> PingFloyd, did you use the hardware drivers to install it?
[02:21] <spanther> sevenless, whoa notepad! how 1337! x)
[02:21] <mikeru> where can you see available channels in xchat?
[02:21] <PingFloyd> Halitech: tried both
[02:21] <sileni> Halitech: i see
[02:21] <Travis1> how do you install flash for Wine Internet Explorer?
[02:21] <mgmuscari> losha: yeah...
[02:21] <Guest67897> I upgraded to 9.04 recently and noticed that my printer stopped working after being supported in 8.10.  Whenever I try to add the .deb module the howto indicates, I get a broken package warning on install.  Is there a way around this?
[02:21] <wgrant> SnakDoc: /etc/ufw/before.rules and /etc/ufw/after.rules
[02:21] <mgmuscari> i'm just backing up my /home in that case...
[02:21] <MickG> mikeru depends on yout client
[02:21] <PingFloyd> Halitech: tried the included proprietary ones, and also tried the 9.11 off ati.com
[02:21] <Halitech> PingFloyd, what happens when you try to install?
[02:21] <mikeru> MickG: xchat
[02:21] <spanther> Travis1, you need Internet Explorer? O.o
[02:22] <sevenless> spanther: nah, wordpad is for the truly leet, it has fonts and everything
[02:22] <MickG> I'm using pidgin
[02:22] <Travis1> im trying to see if yoville will work on it
[02:22] <Sneex> wgrant: I tried both and they simply do not stay :P
[02:22] <karmic_police> ok.. done.. won't know till after reboot
[02:22] <jayferd> idono: check out one of my favorite tutorials from the howto geek: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/set-gmail-as-default-mail-client-in-ubuntu/
[02:22] <Travis1> becase of my recent problem
[02:22] <PingFloyd> Halitech: can get them to install ok, but if I use fglrx at all (either version) the system will go black on logout
[02:22] <MickG> try typing /list
[02:22] <spanther> sevenless, hrhr *g*
[02:22] <mikeru> Travis1: download it from adobe's website
[02:22] <mike> is it only me or ubuntu 9.10 sucks?
[02:22] <PingFloyd> Halitech: and only thing I can do at that point is alt-sysrq REISUB
[02:22] <oorah> i wonder why xubuntu default messenger is pidgin instead of empathy
[02:22] <SnakDoc> wgrant: what firewall info for ?
[02:22] <karmic_police> brb
[02:23] <mikeru> MickG: well, I'd rather see something legible
[02:23] <wgrant> SnakDoc: Sorry, I meant Sneex.
[02:23] <ccfontes> I installed all japanese fonts available, but still, when I open this pdf -> http://bm.hus.osaka-u.ac.jp/~yusuke/archive/rireki/sample.pdf I cant see all japanese symbols. Now, I know the non-embedded symbols are there, becasue someone with a windows japanese prepared computer was able to see them
[02:23] <idono> thanks jayferd.
[02:23] <SnakDoc> wgrant:  ok just checking
[02:23] <wgrant> Sneex: Really? They work for me.
[02:23] <PingFloyd> Halitech: one except is I can't install libamdxvba1_8.661-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb due to its dependency on libstdc++5
[02:23] <lefty175> After upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10, Ubuntu will not boot and I get dropped to the busy box. I am dual booting XP and Ubuntu on the same SATA HD, my system overall has two SATA HD and an IDE HD. When I load the 9.10 live CD, I cannot access and receive errors concerning the two SATA drives and the partitions on those, while I can easily access the IDE drive. I can, however, access all drives using the 9.04 Live CD. I'm hoping that some
[02:23] <lefty175> one can help me restore my ability to boot into Ubuntu and help with why 9.10 is having difficulty with my SATA drives.
[02:23] <oorah> is there voice recognition software for ubuntu?
[02:23] <PingFloyd> Halitech: s/except/exception
[02:23] <ganxiaofei> is there some free software on ubuntu i can edit mkv files
[02:24] <Halitech> PingFloyd, not sure, I've never had an issue with the ati driver
[02:24] <ProfOak> http://i38.tinypic.com/2ymxgyp.jpg What is the deal here? When I first log in, I get a black box to the right of my notification menu. I also have a strange amount of space between my libnotify popups.
[02:24] <Travis1> ok it wont let me donwload
[02:24] <PingFloyd> Halitech: it's strange, because the fglrx drivers worked perfect in 9.04
[02:24] <Travis1> flash
[02:24] <wgrant> Sneex: You put the rules in the right chains, as described at the top of the file?
[02:24] <mikeru> does AutoCAD run fine in wine?
[02:24] <mathias_maranhao> does anyone here uses NOKIA PC SUITE with Linux?
[02:24] <jayferd> idono: my pleasure :D
[02:24] <Sneex> wgrant: Hmmm; I have tried several different invocations of this (latest variant shown)  -A ufw-user-input -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m comment --comment "HTTP Flood?" -m connlimit --connlimit-above 64 --connlimit-mask 27 -j REJECT
[02:24] <Halitech> !wine
[02:24] <SoftwareExplorer> ProfOak: I think it is a default,
[02:24] <PingFloyd> Halitech: this one really has me stumped
[02:24] <Docteh> !cheese
[02:24] <JohnL> mikeru AutoCAD newer versions are fairly graphics intensive
[02:24] <localnnuser__> is remastersys working properly on 9.10 already?? did any one tried it?
[02:25] <mikeru> JohnL: therefore no
[02:25] <mikeru> :s
[02:25] <Shoshana> there is Nokia Ovi for linux?
[02:25] <SoftwareExplorer> ProfOak: Atleast the notify spacing
[02:25] <Halitech> PingFloyd, when you installed from the ati site, did you run sudo aticonfig --initial ??
[02:25] <ProfOak> SoftwareExplorer: What about that black box? It disappears if I remove/put it back.
[02:25] <JohnL> depends on hardware probably mikeru
[02:25] <kindofabuzz> mikeru, appdb.winehq.org
[02:25] <wgrant> Sneex: it suggests that you use ufw-before-input, not ufw-user-input.
[02:25] <PingFloyd> Halitech: yeah
[02:25] <mikeru> JohnL: nvidia 9400GT
[02:25] <JohnL> i can't tell you specifics, I just have used AutoCAD
[02:25] <Shoshana> there is Nokia Ovi for linux?
[02:25] <Mezner> What's the easiest way to update my version of python from 2.6.2 to say 2.7.* in ubuntu?
[02:25] <mikeru> kindofabuzz: I don't believe appdb!
[02:25] <PingFloyd> Halitech: seems like aitconfig --initial just changes the driver to fglrx in the xorg.conf
[02:25] <wgrant> Sneex: (actually, that might depend on your version of ufw)
[02:26] <ProfOak> SoftwareExplorer: Also, libnotify puts my volume popup at the right place.
[02:26] <JohnL> it's not the worst probably if you stick with wireframe
[02:26] <mikeru> kindofabuzz: many people say it works other say it doesn't you never know if it does or not
[02:26] <Halitech> PingFloyd, pretty much
[02:26] <SoftwareExplorer>  ProfOak:Not sure about that black box, but then again, I don't really understand the black box part of what you said
[02:26] <wgrant> Mezner: You probably don't want to do that. Python is pretty core, and 2.7 doesn't exist.
[02:26] <ProfOak> SoftwareExplorer: Take a look at the screenshot.
[02:26] <MickG> Guess no one knows about OpenGl & s3 chipsets
[02:26] <spanther> How to play Original BluRay Movies on Ubuntu? (since they have HDCP or something like this)
[02:26] <Sneex> wgrant: there in lies the problem, I tried that 5 times before I manually inject the rule and it works; using the syntax in either before or after doesn't work
[02:26] <ProfOak> SoftwareExplorer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2ymxgyp.jpg
[02:27] <PingFloyd> Halitech: the other thing I tried...
[02:27] <oorah> i don't pay more for blu ray, like almost everyone i'm content with dvd lol blu ray's only successful marked is gaming so far
[02:27] <PingFloyd> Halitech: tried removing gdm and use startx
[02:27] <vasandgvd> how can i retain the sound playing in tty when i switch from xorg?
[02:27] <Shoshana> there is Nokia Ovi for linux?
[02:27] <SoftwareExplorer> ProfOak: Thanks, I see where the black box is
[02:27] <PingFloyd> Halitech: if I use startx instead of gdm to bootup xorg with that fglrx driver, then it will do same thing as logout would as in not start X at all
[02:27] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: I dont think so
[02:28] <Mezner> wgrant, I'm trying to get an expectedFailure attribute to work in python and it says via docs (http://docs.python.org/dev/library/unittest.html) was added in 2.7
[02:28] <Sneex> wgrant: On a Debian box with iptables = 3.1 the rule fails; on Ubuntu with iptables = 4.1 it works, but I have to manually inject it.
[02:28] <spanther> oorah, BluRay's are available for 8Euro just like DVD Movies now :)
[02:28] <oorah> can i install Ubuntu on my samsung delve? and if i do will the phone functions still work?
[02:28] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana what think is that not even PC Suite is available
[02:28] <mikeru> you could always use ovi.com
[02:28] <mathias_maranhao> that's my doubt
[02:28] <ProfOak> SoftwareExplorer: If I remove my notification item, and then put it back, it goes away. I just don't want to do that every time I log in...
[02:28] <kindofabuzz> mikeru, i'm sure there are alternatives to autocad. i know not the same but you should check them out
[02:28] <PingFloyd> Halitech: so it's like on bootup, X will startup and run the fglrx driver fine, but when logout, it acts up, or if I startup X through startup, then X won't even start at all even on bootup
[02:28] <mikeru> kindofabuzz: well, my dad's thinking about switching to linux, and alternatives are a no
[02:28] <Mezner> wgrant, It appears you are right though. Strange that the docs would say it was added in 2.7
[02:28] <wgrant> Mezner: There hasn't even been an alpha of 2.7 yet.
[02:28] <SoftwareExplorer> ProfOak: The spacing has to do with the notification type. The volume bubbles will not change size, but the ones with the spacing thing can, so they are at the bottom
[02:29] <spanther> oorah, the phone functions are inside the software your phone has now. you can't just remove it xD
[02:29] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: where are you from?
[02:29] <PingFloyd> Halitech: s/through startup/through startx
[02:29] <wgrant> Mezner: It is true that it was added in 2.7, but that has not been released yet. You are looking at the documentation for the 2.7 development release.
[02:29] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: do you have internet connection thru your mobie?
[02:29] <Shoshana> mathias_maranhao : israel
[02:29] <SoftwareExplorer> ProfOak: Not sure about the notification icon thing.
[02:29] <oorah> spanther, so that means my phone wouldn't be a phone anymore?
[02:29] <Powerplay> guys i recently installed ubuntu karmic and Eclipse is working fine on it. Although I can't use team synchronisation to svn+ssh://domspage.ath.cx with a key file. Though i can connect using ssh in a terminal http://dpaste.com/115577/ Anyone an idea what's going wrong?
[02:29] <Geoffrey2> karmic creates a Downloads folder, but since I kept my existing /home partition, it apparently didn't create one, can someone point me to a howto page on how to set that up manually?
[02:29] <Shoshana> mathias_maranhao : yes
[02:29] <mikeru> whoa, almost all companies are launching new sync services
[02:30] <Halitech> PingFloyd, not sure what to tell you
[02:30] <PingFloyd> Halitech: I'm coming to think it is a bug with that only rears its head with my video card and/or maybe a few others while the rest of the ati cards don't exhibit it
[02:30] <SoftwareExplorer> ProfOak: I'll see if I can find the thing about the spacing, but then I have to go to dinner
[02:30] <spanther> oorah, right. cause ubuntu doesn't have the menu and database your phone OS now has to call people and so on :)
[02:30] <mikeru> nokia's ovi, apple's mobileme, canonical ubuntu one
[02:30] <mikeru> wtf
[02:30] <Halitech> PingFloyd, thats possible
[02:30] <Mezner> wgrant, Any idea if this would then be in 3.1?
[02:30] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: Atah adam?
[02:30] <oorah> so linux on phones is just for hobbyists that have no intention of making calls or sending texts? lol
[02:30] <wgrant> Mezner: I don't know. But I wouldn't use anything not available in 2.6, unless you want your software to be impossible to run for a couple of years.
[02:31] <ProfOak> SoftwareExplorer: It's ok i'm just gonna post it on the forum
[02:31] <spanther> oorah, if you install ubuntu on it, you got a mini pc xD but ubuntu (as i know) has no menus for dialing over phone providers
[02:31] <wgrant> Geoffrey2: Try adding XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/Downloads"
[02:31] <wgrant> Geoffrey2: To ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[02:31] <wgrant> Geoffrey2: then xdg-user-dirs-update
[02:31] <SoftwareExplorer> ProfOak: Here's some stuff for you<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and how to fix it (havn't tried myself) http://blog.mahboy.com/archives/248
[02:31] <oorah> spanther, oh ok i see thanks. i better not then lol
[02:31] <xeer> how can I pipe a bunch of files from find into totem with the command line?
[02:31] <xkcdoomsday> if I try to change the icon of something on my bar on the top of my screen, it turns into a black square thing.
[02:31] <xkcdoomsday> to a custom one
[02:31] <Geoffrey2> wgrant, should I manually create the folder before using those commands?
[02:32] <xkcdoomsday> it's a svg
[02:32] <wgrant> Geoffrey2: I don't think you'll need to, but I couldn't be sure.
[02:32] <xeer> expected behavior is to have the files show up in the playlist.
[02:32] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: I just love hebrew, I'm teaching my self
[02:32] <d9500> oorah: installing linux on a phone is like installing linux on your microwave. sure, it gets you geek cred, but it probably ruins the device's intended functionality. if you want linux on a phone, i think nokia's n900 uses it..and it's preinstalled, obviously
[02:32] <spanther> oorah, well no. if you do it like google with android and make an OS and apps to call with it, you can use it as phone but it needs firmwares for phones hardware and software apps to call people and use other functions :)
[02:32] <Docteh> xeer:  you might have to make a playlist and then run totem with that </idea>
[02:32] <CydeWeys> I just upgraded to 9.10, and now every time I try to type anything, lots of weird characters come out.  For instance, a is /ao49 , b is 9gbv , etc.
[02:32] <wgrant> xeer: find WHATEVER | xargs totem
[02:33] <SoftwareExplorer> mathias_maranhao: cool, I did one year of it to, but I'm in no way good
[02:33] <wgrant> xeer: That will pass all of the files into totem, and it will queue the second and subsequent.
[02:33] <nickiname> how to set the label of cd when using mkisofs?
[02:33] <xeer> wgrant, thanks for the tip!
[02:33] <Docteh> nickiname: whats the man page suggest?
[02:33] <nickiname> no man page for mkisofs
[02:34] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: joke me! :-P heheh Living in Israel and not good? Com'on for how long you're there?
[02:34] <SoftwareExplorer> ProfOak: Did that make it clearer
[02:34] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: where you came from?
[02:34] <xeer> wgrant, the pipe and xargs sent the files to totem, but files with spaces are broken up into multiple files!
[02:35] <wgrant> xeer: Add -print0 to the args you pass to find, and -0 to xargs.
[02:35] <wgrant> xeer: That will use NUL as a terminal rather than a space.
[02:35] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: i apologize... made a confusion... oops sorry
[02:35] <SoftwareExplorer> mathias_maranhao: I think it was me that said I was no good? I live in the US
[02:35] <diskinetic> I upgraded to 9.04 recently and noticed that my printer stopped working after being supported in 8.10.  Whenever I try to add the .deb module the howto indicates, I get a broken package warning on install.  Is there a way around this?
[02:35] <mathias_maranhao> SoftwareExplorer: really? nice.
[02:35] <xeer> wgrant, very helpful, thanks!
[02:35] <oorah> i think Ubuntu should have an updated cookbook in the repositories
[02:35] <mathias_maranhao> SoftwareExplorer: jewish?
[02:35] <princem> can somebody help me?
[02:35] <|Porsche> I think you are having the same problem as I am. cupsd is not startin at boot
[02:35] <princem> I can't install ubuntu
[02:36] <princem> it says authentication failed
[02:36] <princem> never gets to the install section
[02:36] <oorah> made by the community
[02:36] <SoftwareExplorer> mathias_maranhao: no, christian, and thought if I get good, then I can read the bible in the original langauge
[02:36] <wgrant> xeer: np
[02:36] <DrHouse|Compaq> weee compiling crosscompiler ^_^
[02:37] <mathias_maranhao> SoftwareExplorer: I see...
[02:37] <princem> pls help :(
[02:37] <Docteh> oorah: I want "apt-get install wikipedia" before a cookbook personally ;)
[02:37] <CydeWeys> My upgrade to 9.10 got kind of screwed up.  Is there any way to redo it?  To reinstall/reconfigure all of those packages again?
[02:37] <KB1JWQ> princem: There shouldn't be any auth to install it.
[02:37] <Docteh> dpkg-reconfigure -a?
[02:37] <corinth> Is there a way to customize the notifications in Karmic?
[02:37] <Geoffrey2> wgrant, thanks, it appears you do need to create the folder, otherwise the update command removes Downloads from the config file because it can't find the associated folder
[02:37] <tux11> turn them off
[02:37] <wgrant> Geoffrey2: Ah :(
[02:38] <|Porsche> hey anybody knows how to add cups to start at boot up
[02:38] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: do you connect thru your mobile using ubuntu or emulate windows?
[02:38] <diskinetic> what's a good inexpensive printer for ubuntu?
[02:38] <Geoffrey2> wgrant, minor matter, create folder, edit the file, run update...voila
[02:38] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: Cause I'm wondering how to use my mobile in linux
[02:38] <wgrant> |Porsche: It does by default.
[02:38] <Docteh> |Porsche: it didn't auto do that? see if theres /etc/init.d/cups and then look at update-rc.d
[02:38] <tux11> any printerworks
[02:38] <wgrant> Geoffrey2: Does it get the nice icon and all that?
[02:38] <diskinetic> no, mine doesn't
[02:38] <|Porsche> thats the thing, it is not on my system
[02:39] <CydeWeys> Docteh: Trying that.
[02:39] <wgrant> |Porsche: How did you install Ubuntu? Which version are you using?
[02:39] <BlacKnight> hello, i need a suggestion plz... since i had to remove Pulseaudio to get some things to work... i lost the volume control thing in my gnome panel, is there a way to add a new one ? not a menu opening the gnome-alsamixer or similar i want something smal  :p
[02:39] <diskinetic> used to, but karmic broke it
[02:39] <tux11> whats not on your system?
[02:39] <tux11> 9.10  lol!
[02:39] <Sneex> wgrant: I believe once I have regained server access (the system is 3 hours away in another time zone) I will remove ufw and just do the iptables stuff by hand :P  Thanks for help though :)
[02:39] <Geoffrey2> wgrant, yep, folder with a down pointing arrow
[02:39] <wgrant> Geoffrey2: Great.
[02:39] <tux11> ppl should be running the newest stable release
[02:39] <Docteh> BlacKnight: dig around for a gnome panel applet thats alsa and not pa
[02:39] <wgrant> Sneex: You could. Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[02:39] <OzFalcon> BlacKnight, No.
[02:39] <Sneex> latest on server
[02:39] <diskinetic> so the answer is use 8.10
[02:39] <tux11> as i said use the  latest version!
[02:40] <|Porsche> wgrant: I am running 9.10 fresh install.
[02:40] <tux11> no thats not the answer u should run 9.10
[02:40] <tux11> 9.10 beta
[02:40] <tux11> afk
[02:40] <diskinetic> but 8.10 supported my printer
[02:40] <Sneex> not a beta
[02:40] <Docteh> oh thanks for the reminder
[02:40] <tux11> mine ia beta
[02:40] <wgrant> |Porsche: Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop Edition has CUPS installed and running by default.
[02:40] <diskinetic> so I go back to 8.10
[02:40] <spanther> diskinetic, just use what fits you best! :)
[02:40] <OzFalcon> BlacKnight, The Volume control (Gnome volume control) uses pulse audio. If you have removed it (pulse) you wont have it anymore. I have yet to fine a Decent replacement.
[02:40] <Docteh> !final | tux11
[02:41] <|Porsche> wgrant: I installed from the alternate
[02:41] <tux11> um yeah
[02:41] <Xiella> My OpenOffice 3.1.1 in Karmic (kubuntu) won't open .xlsx files, either from new spreadsheet or double/right-clicking in dolphin.  There are no error messages.  I am having the same issue on OpenOffice 3.1.1 on my XP dual boot.  Is this a problem with OO 3.1.1, or Karmic and Xp combined?
[02:41] <darlek> ubottu > darlek
[02:41] <Docteh> I only did that because you were waving around your current use of the beta ;)
[02:41] <|Porsche> wgrant: it is installed but it doesnt start automatically, I have to do it manually.
[02:41] <darlek> ubottu | darlek
[02:41] <adriyel> wow.
[02:41] <tux11> beta won't update dude
[02:41] <adriyel> a little busy in here.
[02:41] <BlacKnight> ozfalcon, well thanks i'll keep googling tryin to find one :p
[02:42] <wgrant> |Porsche: I installed from the alternate too, and it starts for me automatically.
[02:42] <adriyel> I think KMS is making my machine freeze, how do I permanently shut it off?
[02:42] <Docteh> darlek: you can directly message ubottu
[02:42] <OzFalcon> BlacKnight, Why did you need to remove pulse?
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> !final
[02:42] <adriyel> !kms
[02:42] <darlek> !firefox > darlek
[02:42] <Docteh> too bad I cant do like !final > email@address ;)
[02:42] <oming> hi
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> Docteh:  i imagine its possible. :)
[02:43] <spanther> yeah! New Wave Theme looks awesome! x)
[02:43] <BlacKnight> ozfalcon, it unsync the audio in wine games... sometimes runs good sometimes it delays the audio from 1 to 2 secs, and its annoying in fps games
[02:43] <darlek> how many times does firefox crash in a day now?  I upgraded to 9.10 .  Not happy
[02:43] <Docteh> darlek: why is it crashing?
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> darlek:  i never see firefox crash here....
[02:43] <tux11> 9.10 is aweosme what hardware are u runningb were ff crashes?
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> i did clean install... :) of course it could be FLASH is crashing...
[02:43] <|Porsche> wgrant: hmm I dont know. Where can I check what is starting at bootup
[02:43] <tux11> no ff crashes reported here
[02:43] <tux11> nope
[02:44] <tux11> its notbn flash
[02:44] <Xiella> My OpenOffice 3.1.1 in Karmic (kubuntu) won't open .xlsx files, either from new spreadsheet or double/right-clicking in dolphin.  There are no error messages.  I am having the same issue on OpenOffice 3.1.1 on my XP dual boot.  Is this a problem with OO 3.1.1, or Karmic and Xp combined?
[02:44] <darlek> Don't know.  I checked launchpad and they suggested removing plugins and trying again.  Still, I get crashes a lot more often now compared to yesterday
[02:44] <OzFalcon> BlacKnight, Mmmm. Games in wine are problematic. Good luck.
[02:44] <wgrant> |Porsche: Most definitive check is to reboot and 'ps aux | grep cups'
[02:44] <Docteh> |Porsche: fiddle around with that update-rc.d script or just peek in /etc/rc2.d/
[02:44] <wgrant> |Porsche: If it's running, you'll see '/usr/sbin/cupsd -C /etc/cups/cupsd.conf' there.
[02:44] <darlek> I took out firebug and others.  Left in a couple, but I might have to use epiphany for a while if I want to get anything done
[02:45] <|Porsche> wgrant: already did that. no cups running after a fresh login
[02:45] <wgrant> |Porsche: Huh. Look for CUPS-related symlinks in /etc/rc2.d, as Docteh suggested.
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> $ sudo service cups status
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is running.
[02:45] <PingFloyd> darlek: I'd try uninstalling all extensions
[02:45] <PingFloyd> darlek: see what happens
[02:46] <darlek> PingFloyd, tried that, it works, then I load noscript and adblock, it works, but it still crashed 10 times a day so far.  Really disappointing
[02:46] <saad> guys i want to install skype and it tells me that Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'
[02:46] <saad> waht i have to do
[02:46] <|Porsche> I have S50 cups pointing to /etc/init.d/cups in the /etc/rc2.d/
[02:46] <tux11> thats such bull flash and ff don't crash unless its crappy hardwrea i have no idea why it might be crashing
[02:46] <tux11> ff doesn't crash on acer netbook
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> saad:  if you are running 64bit disrtro you proberly want the 64bit packages
[02:46] <darlek> so just wondering if I'm alone in this
[02:46] <wgrant> |Porsche: What happens if you 'sudo start cups'
[02:46] <PingFloyd> darlek: I run noscript, never have any crashes, maybe adblock is causing troubles
[02:47] <tux11> againg whats your hardwrae?
[02:47] <Sneex> wgrant: Let me ask you this; is this syntax e ufw-before or a ufw-after type rule?   -A  -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m comment --comment "HTTP Flood?" -m connlimit --connlimit-above 64 --connlimit-mask 27 -j REJECT
[02:47] <Berklib> maybe you've downloaded the i386 package onto a amd
[02:47] <tech-mike> sup peeps - how do i change GDM themes in 9.10 ??
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> tech-mike:  short answer. You dont.
[02:47] <tux11> inahyve an intel atom 1.60
[02:47] <Docteh> Sneex: that looks like an iptables rule
[02:47] <wgrant> Sneex: I'd say before.
[02:47] <tech-mike> Dr_Willis:  wtf happend
[02:47] <kholerabbi> how do I list all my partitons in terminal and find which sda* maps where?
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> tech-mike:  its tweakable a little bit - but not like in 9.04
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> tech-mike:  gnome devs are redoing GDM
[02:47] <grkblood13> im trying to chmod everything that 700 to 644 via: chmod 644 `ls -al | grep -rwx------`
[02:47] <Sneex> Docteh: ufw is iptables underneath
[02:47] <wgrant> Dr_Willis, tech-mike: It is perfectly tweakable, just in a different manner.
[02:47] <grkblood13> whats the correct way to do it
[02:47] <PingFloyd> darlek: also try renaming your ~/.mozilla dir and running
[02:47] <tech-mike> Dr_Willis:  why the hell would they get rid of this - or is it delayed
[02:48] <tux11> i bet its shitty hardware
[02:48] <Gnea> wgrant: not even
[02:48] <wgrant> tech-mike: Now it's a standard GNOME session. You can set the background and GTK theme, for example.
[02:48] <darlek> PingFloyd, well, fwiw it seems to just crash on any media playing or state change, like gmail or https as well.  Both plugins work fine, long term not so much
[02:48] <PingFloyd> darlek: to rule out whether there is a setting causing havok
[02:48] <wgrant> tech-mike: The config tools aren't quite there yet. It's a full rewrite of gdm.
[02:48] <tux11> user refuses to tell us how old or fast his hartdwrae is
[02:48] <tech-mike> wgrant:  well as long as its comin i guess
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> tech-mike:  no idea - go ask #gnome  I imagine like so many other changes.. its a start over to fix core problems.
[02:48] <darlek> PingFloyd, yes, I used a new profile, firefox -ProfileManager and that worked okay
[02:48] <tux11> i'd give up and label this loser as a troll
[02:48] <|Porsche> wgrant: sudo start cups returns start:unkown job cups
[02:48] <tech-mike> Dr_Willis:  how can i change the background then?
[02:48] <wgrant> |Porsche: Uhh....
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> tech-mike:  personally to do that.. i edit the wallpapers in the xsplash directory.. :)
[02:49] <losha> darlek: 10 times a day is pretty excessive. I'd say I see one ff crash every couple of weeks using ff 3.0.14 on 8.04. I run noscript but not adblock....
[02:49] <darlek> PingFloyd, I guess I'll use only 1 plugin, but that blows
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> tech-mike:  i change them all to a nice solid dark blue or somthing other then that ugly brown splashish thing
[02:49] <Docteh> |Porsche: try service cups start
[02:49] <PingFloyd> darlek: if it works ok when you change profile, that means there's some setting messing things up
[02:49] <tech-mike> Dr_Willis:  rather than editing the default image - what config file can i play with
[02:49] <darlek> losha, it's been good since the last upgrade, haven't had browser issues before this upgrade
[02:50] <darlek> PingFloyd, yes
[02:50] <losha> darlek: then dare I say it? Downgrade...
[02:50] <wgrant> |Porsche: Oh, right, what Docteh said. What I suggested only works on native Upstart jobs, whereas "service" works on all.
[02:50] <PingFloyd> darlek: look about:config and revert user set settings back to default
[02:50] <PingFloyd> darlek: you may want to copy the profile first
[02:50] <|Porsche> wgrant: it returns * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd
[02:50] <darlek> losha, naw. lots of options out there
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> tech-mike:  one on /etc/gdm i think. but never figured out which one.. and the format is in XML now.. easier to just edit the images.
[02:50] <PingFloyd> darlek: so you can always revert back
[02:50] <Gnea> tech-mike: you can't, they made it impervious to user intervention. #gnome might be able to say how...
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> tech-mike:  /usr/share/images/xsplash/
[02:50] <spanther> The blue round question icon is awesome! easy howto how to setup firewall with gufw and how to test security and check for package transfers!   But that's a plugin!  argh...
[02:51] <Docteh> sweet the bot has throttling now
[02:51] <Sneex> peace peeps
[02:52] <troll> preapring to take out ff haters
[02:52] <holmser> I was messing around with john the ripper today, just to see how secure my password was
[02:52] <darlek> PingFloyd, I'll see how it goes
[02:52] <Guest13970> hey ff hater bring the hate man
[02:52] <losha> Docteh: it has had throttling for a while I think. Months at least...
[02:52] <Gnea> Guest13970: "take out"?
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> wow.. how trollish.
[02:52] <ewb> bill gates rules
[02:52] <holmser> can't figure out why it won
[02:52] <holmser> 't load hashes
[02:52] <anavarro> hi everybody
[02:52] <Joe__> afternoon roomies
[02:53] <anavarro> I have a sed command question
[02:53] <|Porsche> thanks guys i have to go to bed!
[02:53] <anavarro> can you help me?
[02:53] <wgrant> !ask | anavarro
[02:53] <TheCheeze> Is anyone else having errors getting things out of the repository? i am getting this http://pastebin.com/d5634127e
[02:53] <darlek> !ask
[02:53] <KB1JWQ> Guest13970: That's enough, please.
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> anavarro:  ask the actual question and see...
[02:53] <Docteh> I guess if i want to upgrade hardy I have to go intrepid jaunty karmic?
[02:53] <holmser> anyone tried to run john on ubuntu 9.04+?
[02:53] <anavarro>  hi there
[02:53] <anavarro>  I have a "sed" command question
[02:53] <anavarro>  I have this text
[02:53] <anavarro>  "12. This is a test propose text."
[02:53] <anavarro>  and I want to replace ^[0-9]*.
[02:53] <FloodBot3> anavarro: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:53] <wgrant> Docteh: Yes. But you will be able to upgrade directly from Hardy to Lucid (10.04)
[02:53] <anavarro> :D
[02:53] <anavarro> sorry
[02:54] <david1_> how do you edit grub2 for dual boot?
[02:54] <anavarro> is quit easy
[02:54] <anavarro> I guess
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> !grub2 | david1_
[02:54] <iceD[R]> What's name of menu (MacOS menu) into ubuntu?
[02:54] <Guest13970> intresting
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> david1_:  normally the update-grub should see/install other os's it finds.
[02:54] <Xiella> My OpenOffice 3.1.1 in Karmic (kubuntu) won't open .xlsx files, either from new spreadsheet or double/right-clicking in dolphin.  There are no error messages.  I am having the same issue on OpenOffice 3.1.1 on my XP dual boot.  Is this a problem with OO 3.1.1, or Karmic?
[02:54] <MythGuy> Can someone help me get my displays right? My HDMI display is acting as the fist display and my VGA is acting like the second one in non-mirror mode and I want it the other way around.
[02:54] <jbuncher> TheCheeze, I don't get that error.
[02:54] <Guest13970> mac menu?
[02:54] <darlek> anavarro, all in one line please, I'm reading a few people here
[02:54] <d9500> iceD[R]: global menu, you mean?
[02:54] <Geoffrey2> Docteh, or, you could download the karmic ISO, burn to cd, and do a fresh install
[02:54] <Guest13970> ff haters can go to heck hes a simple hater
[02:54] <TheCheeze> jbuncher, i think it's something that broke in my dpkg
[02:55] <anavarro> ok
[02:55] <wgrant> tux11: Stop that, please.
[02:55] <Docteh> Xiella: if its happening on XP as well, might that not indicate its OOo?
[02:55] <david1_> I want to set my laptop up to select another OS for auto boot
[02:55] <tux11> or usb intsall
[02:55] <losha> anavarro: so something like: sed 's/^[0-9]*./replacement text/'
[02:55] <tux11> xp is garbage any ways
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> david1_:  check /etc/default/grub
[02:55] <MoTec> Anyone know how I can get the regular gnome desktop on UNR 9.10?
[02:55] <jbuncher> TheCheeze, Could be, seems odd though.  Did you try updating the package list again?
[02:55] <david1_> ok
[02:55] <tux11> deltet that then make ubuntu the lonly install
[02:55] <Xiella> Docteh: I can't find any indication of other OO 3.1.1 users having problems with it when I google
[02:55] <darlek> Xiella, run the command from a terminal, that way when it fails it will spit out an error message that might be useful
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> MoTec:  thats a common FAQ in here.. but ive never seen an answer.. :) perhaps the UNR threads on the forums tell the proper way.
[02:55] <tux11> i feel ubuntu is a better os
[02:55] <Xiella> darlek: did that last night, no error messages at all.
[02:56] <TheCheeze> jbuncher, yep
[02:56] <tux11> but were the ff guy?
[02:56] <Arsin> How can I do a DVD to DVD copy, if it's protected
[02:56] <TheCheeze> i get it in terminal too
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> !ot | tux11
[02:56] <Gnea> tux11: please, don't be a noob.
[02:56] <jbuncher> TheCheeze, did you try with --fix-missing?
[02:56] <Docteh> Xiella: maybe the file is screwy, do you have access to the copy of office that made it?
[02:56] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Wouldn't you just install the Gnome desktop package with Synaptic?
[02:56] <The_reaper489> hey
[02:56] <tux11> its not offtopic
[02:56] <Gnea> tux11: yes it is.
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> tux11:  yes it is.. you are rambling.
[02:56] <lefty175> I recently tried to upgrade to 9.10, but it is not booting and drops me to the busy box. I believe the problem is that it is seeing my two SATA drives as RAID drives, but cannot find a way to tell the existing install to stop seeing it that way. When I use the 9.10 Live CD it also fails to recognize those drives properly. Any help would be appreciated.
[02:56] <anavarro> I have a "sed" command question. I have this text, "12. This is a test propose text." and I want to replace this regexp "^[0-9]*." with the number followed by a "-" instead a "."
[02:56] <Xiella> docteh: I'm not sure.  I just installed Karmic and added the full openoffice package through the package manager
[02:56] <sorakiu> i have 2 ubuntu installs, one is 9.04 desktop x64 and one is 9.04 server x32 -- the server is upgrading fine to 9.10 -- but the laptop doesn't show an update in update-manager or when i run do-release-upgrade -- i'm baffled b/c they are both pointing to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:56] <TheCheeze> jbuncher, it happens with every package i try
[02:56] <The_reaper489> Gnea: no this is not off topic...
[02:56] <tux11> nah
[02:56] <MoTec> OzFalcon: the package is already installed.. it's just got something else on top of it.
[02:56] <darlek> Xiella, oh :(...  any way to convert the file maybe?
[02:57] <tux11> some guy is bashing ff
[02:57] <Gnea> The_reaper489: pardon?
[02:57] <wgrant> anavarro: So you want to turn "12.  This is a test propose text." into "12- This is a test propose text."
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> tux11:  so what. Let it drop.
[02:57] <wgrant> tux11: Which is perfectly permissible.
[02:57] <david1_> Dr_Willis, I don't see any etc/default/grub
[02:57] <iceD[R]> d9500: Style of this . . . http://tucows.sinesurf.co.nz/support/dialup/macosx%2Fdesktop_systempreferences.jpg
[02:57] <Gnea> The_reaper489: are you tux11?
[02:57] <The_reaper489> Gnea: ignore me for a bit, my room mate likes to F*** things up when im away
[02:57] <Docteh> sorakiu: force an apt-get update on it yet?
[02:57] <tux11> he said it crashes ten times a day its hard for him to prove this hes anewbie i gusse
[02:57] <Xiella> darlek: I'm resorting to doing that at the moment but I'm just wondering if it's something I should file a bug report about?
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> david1_:   if you upgraded you are using grub1. if clean install you got grub2
[02:57] <Gnea> The_reaper489: too late, you shouldn't have said anything. and watch your language.
[02:58] <tux11> grub 2 seems nice
[02:58] <sorakiu> Docteh, I ran sudo apt-get update and it said i'm up to date
[02:58] <tux11> same here on beta
[02:58] <david1_> it was  an upgrade
[02:58] <pankaj> anyone here manage to get an IMPS server working?
[02:58] <axisys> i just installed wireshark.. but when i click it, it starts as user.. how do I make it start as root? its odd that I have to make that change and the pkg did not get installed like that
[02:58] <darlek> Xiella, if you can repeat it then yes.  is xlsx microsoft office format?
[02:58] <IndyGunFreak> tux11: i guess thats a matter of opinion
[02:58] <anavarro> yes wgrant
[02:58] <OzFalcon> MoTec, What desktop is loaded? What about just removing that Menu program.
[02:58] <axisys> is it gksudo wireshark ?
[02:58] <Gnea> axisys: gksudo
[02:58] <tux11> what is
[02:58] <axisys> Gnea: :-)
[02:58] <MoTec> Hmm.. There is a package called desktop switcher.. but it says 'not available in current data'.
[02:58] <spanther> i setup'ed UFW and now checked my pc with ShieldsUP. it said that it couldn't get "any" information from my computer (NetBIOS) and my pc is very scure :D
[02:58] <IndyGunFreak> tux11: that grub2 is good. :)
[02:58] <Docteh> Xiella: if you have to a file a bug report it might help a lot to have a xlsx file with unspecific data that cant be read by openoffice
[02:59] <KitsuneDr> wubi 9.10 wubi install sucks!
[02:59] <Xiella> darlek: Yes and yes.  It just has no error messages at all, I just wondered if it was my whole system or OO specifically.
[02:59] <jbuncher> TheCheeze, maybe try downloading a new libpcap0.8 manually and installing it with dpkg?
[02:59] <Xiella> Docteh: Alright, I will do that.  Thank you
[02:59] <Docteh> spanther: please read the disclaimer on that ;)
[02:59] <MoTec> OzFalcon: it's called netbook-switcher i think.. and I stopped it from starting up but i didn't get a useable desktop
[02:59] <tux11> yes it is
[02:59] <spanther> Docteh, what do you mean? :)
[02:59] <IndyGunFreak> tux11: like i said, thats a matter of opinion.
[02:59] <tux11> i'd delete xp and just go full ubuntu
[03:00] <OzFalcon> MoTec, I think your already running the Gnome desktop with Compiz.
[03:00] <tux11> ok indy
[03:00] <anavarro> ok
[03:00] <anavarro> I got it
[03:00] <jcgr> anybody runnnig the final release ubuntu karmic
[03:00] <anavarro> s/\(^[[:digit:]]*\)\./\1-/
[03:00] <jcgr> ?
[03:00] <anavarro> thanks
[03:00] <FloodBot3> anavarro: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:00] <MoTec> OzFalcon: It's there, yes.. It's just not 'on'
[03:00] <tux11> i lkie the compiz app
[03:00] <PingFloyd> if you're going to run Windows, run Vista or higher, at least they have UAC
[03:00] <jbuncher> jcgr: yes
[03:00] <tux11> that works well
[03:00] <sirius> UAC is crap
[03:00] <tux11> i'd just ditch xp unless u have to run it for some reason
[03:00] <MoTec> In 8.04 it was as easy as going into settings and picking 'change desktop mode' or some such
[03:00] <Docteh> jcgr: ask ubottu for "final" ;)
[03:00] <jcgr> hey jbuncher i kind of have a little problem
[03:01] <darlek> Xiella, ok..   not whole system just format death.  Try another like gnumeric spreadsheet and see if that reads. You can set the columns on formats it doesn't know
[03:01] <jcgr> my USB port donot work
[03:01] <PingFloyd> sirius: yeah, because it's better to run everything with admin privileges :P
[03:01] <jbuncher> jcgr, sorry, I wouldn't know how to fix that.
[03:01] <IndyGunFreak> MoTec: what are nyou trying to do?
[03:01] <sorakiu> Docteh, is there a special option for apt-get that i need to add to "force" a update
[03:01] <axisys> how do I collect battery status and generate rrd ?
[03:01] <spanther> my pc (it says) still replies to ICMP Echo Ping requests and is visible :( (all other things are stealthed)
[03:01] <MoTec> IndyGunFreak: I just want the regular gnome desktop instead of the UNR interface.
[03:01] <tux11> can u force upgrade?
[03:01] <MrSchmo> any ideas on how to fix flash video interaction on firefox with x64?
[03:01] <sirius> chuck norris is always superuser
[03:01] <IndyGunFreak> MoTec: then why did you download UNR?.
[03:01] <Xiella> darlek: hmm, gnumeric spreadsheet, is that gnome?  I'm running kde.  Also what do you mean by format death?
[03:02] <lefty175> I recently tried to upgrade to 9.10, but it is not booting and drops me to the busy box. I believe the problem is that it is seeing my two SATA drives as RAID drives, but cannot find a way to tell the existing install to stop seeing it that way. When I use the 9.10 Live CD it also fails to recognize those drives properly. Any help would be appreciated.
[03:02] <tux11> unr interface i like but its easie rto use
[03:02] <Docteh> sorakiu: you might be running into stupidity involving the release updater and how apt handles /etc
[03:02] <axisys> i guess i could run acpi and collect the data and use rrdcreate .. but is there a pkg available already ?
[03:02] <MoTec> IndyGunFreak: because it's optimized for netbooks.. I was running 8.04 no problems.  It had the option to switch desktop mode..
[03:02] <jcgr> i have a dual boot with vista and installed  the final release karmic koala but my usb ports do no work anybody know anything about this?
[03:02] <darlek> Xiella, oh just a crash because the program doesn't know it.  If you have access to office, save file as .csv and that can be imported anywhere.  I'm googling for a ubuntu solution
[03:03] <Xiella> darlek: Ah! alright, thank you
[03:03] <IndyGunFreak> MoTec: oh i see... well myexperience w/ UNR is limited, i thought it sucked and installed a normal Gnome interface, and was happy
[03:03] <jcgr> ?
[03:03] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Do you want to change from Compiz to Metacity?
[03:03] <tux11> how do u do the desktop mode ?
[03:03] <doltek> Is there a way that I can save my current config of my desktop and config from compiz?
[03:03] <sorakiu> Docteh, should i take everything but the official ubuntu.com lines out of my sources.list, i have stuff like chromium in there
[03:03] <MoTec> OzFalcon: no.. i just want the normal gnome desktop.
[03:03] <The_reaper489> Hey everyone, how is ubuntu 9.10 any reviews on it? i need to know thinking about upgrading...
[03:03] <MoTec> tux11: if you find out let me know :)
[03:03] <Docteh> sorakiu: is your 9.04 up to date?
[03:03] <tux11> thats what bthere saying
[03:03] <soreau> doltek: Yes, ccsm>Preferences <- Export Profile
[03:03] <tux11> normal gnome desktop
[03:04] <VCoolio> in terminal, if I interact with 'read' in bash or when typing in checkinstall question, backspace prints ^H; can I configure it to just do backspace?
[03:04] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Whats a normal desktop for you? 3d or 2d?
[03:04] <sorakiu> Docteh, yeah it says i have no pending updates at all
[03:04] <d9500> iceD[R]: http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/
[03:04] <tux11> 9.10 beta for netbooks running here
[03:04] <jbuncher> The_reaper489, it works well for me, but you should try out a livecd and test it as much as you can with your hardware and software preferences before upgrading.
[03:04] <darlek> Xiella, generally speaking though if it's the same error on XP/Ubuntu then the error lies with OpenOffice.  That being said you need to convert the file for either OS
[03:04] <jcgr> the reaper hey i just installed ubuntu 9.10 final but i the usb ports do not work
[03:04] <MoTec> OzFalcon: the standard gnome desktop.. no spinning cubes or anything..
[03:04] <Docteh> sorakiu: is jaunty-updates enabled? maybe its something like that :-/
[03:04] <The_reaper489> jbuncher: thanks, i will do that
[03:04] <macravin> Debian is Better than Ubuntu
[03:04] <soreau> doltek: To save your other config, back up your home directory, especially ~/.gconf directories for general gnome settings
[03:04] <minimi> Hy people! Question: is wget faster then an ftp client?
[03:05] <iceD[R]> d9500, thanks.
[03:05] <jbuncher> macravin, and chicken is better than steak.  Glad people have opinions.
[03:05] <sirius> minimi: depends on server
[03:05] <OzFalcon> MoTec, OK. Now we get somewhere. UNR comes with Compiz only (3d spinny cubes crap). You want to install Metacity.
[03:05] <Xiella> darlek: Yeah, maybe it's just been too soon for it to show up on google.  Thank you.
[03:05] <sorakiu> Docteh, jaunty updates is checked in update manager along with important security updates
[03:05] <MoTec> OzFalcon: That's not the case.. But thanks for your help.
[03:05] <sorakiu> Docteh, release upgrade says normal updates
[03:05] <sorakiu> Docteh, the show me new releases drop down
[03:05] <d9500> iceD[R]: i don't think there's a karmic version yet, but according to the comments section on http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gnome2-globalmenu-global-menu-bar-for-gnome.html, the jaunty repos will work for karmic.
[03:06] <Xiella> darlek: I'll file a bug report for it, in the meantime I'll just keep converting them manually, thanks for all your help
[03:06] <darlek> Xiella, I think so, I came up empty
[03:06] <Docteh> maybe let it suggest development versions?
[03:06] <darlek> Xiella, np
[03:06] <ASrock> hey i had windows 7 installed on my second hard drive and then i installed ubuntu 9.10 on my main hard drive but when i boot i cant select to boot into windows how do i get these dual booted
[03:06] <macravin> jbuncher: debian is customizable, the new Ubuntu is forcefully branded with the ubuntu logo everywhere
[03:06] <darlek> Xiella, new version blues
[03:06] <d9500> iceD[R]: never tried using a repo for a previous release, so you do so at your own risk if you add the repo and install
[03:06] <minimi> and bide away.... the new Ubuntu Software Center seams a bit crap... like to much clicking....
[03:06] <OzFalcon> MoTec, YES IT IS. I tried UNR on my netbook. It didn't have metacity installed. Metacity is the 2d window manager for Gnome.
[03:06] <tux11> so what about ubuntu logo
[03:06] <Xiella> darlek: heh, yepyep :P
[03:06] <sorakiu> Docteh, i don't see an option for that in the drop down -- do i need to manually put that in a file somewheres?
[03:07] <minimi> I'm not that satisfied....
[03:07] <wrapster> i installed the nvidia-180-kernel-source in the hopes to actually prevent my screen from flickering... but it did not work...
[03:07] <darlek> !troll | tux11
[03:07] <PingFloyd> ASrock: you want to know the easiest way to dual boot?
[03:07] <wrapster> could anyone pls help.. its very stressful to see the screen this way
[03:07] <macravin> I don't like the fact that they put it everywhere, I want people to see I'm using linux not ununtu
[03:07] <IdleOne> sorakiu: are you trying to upgrade to 9.10? if so run sudo do-release-upgrade
[03:07] <jbuncher> macravin, everywhere?  pretty much just the xsplash and the usplash screens, both of which you can change.
[03:07] <Docteh> sorakiu: I'm sitting at a text only terminal, but i think it was like "do_release_update -d"
[03:07] <ASrock> PingFloyd: yes that would be nice
[03:07] <PingFloyd> ASrock: choose to install grub to the linux /boot partition instead of mbr, then use easybcd to having windows chainload grub
[03:08] <Docteh> sorakiu: just make sure its to karmic in that event
[03:08] <sorakiu> IdleOne, yes, i tried that -- it responded Checking for a new ubuntu release and then No new release found
[03:08] <Docteh> sorakiu: add -d to what he said and see what it offers
[03:08] <wrapster> guys pls help.. its very difficult otherwise
[03:08] <sorakiu> Docteh, added -d and it said the same thing
[03:08] <soreau> Docteh: update-manager -d
[03:08] <ASrock> PingFloyd: uh i lost ya
[03:08] <macravin> jbuncher: not in the new version, they like block you, and the login screen is forceably branded, and under system it says about ubuntu...
[03:09] <sorakiu> Docteh, IdleOne  -- very bizarre
[03:09] <Docteh> sorakiu: remove and purge and burn and stomp on the package that provides the update manager then
[03:09] <tux11> so what?
[03:09] <IdleOne> sorakiu: indeed, what does lsb_release -a return?
[03:09] <tux11> ubuntu is the name of ubuntu linux/remix holy crap already1
[03:09] <sorakiu> Docteh, haha -- sudo apt-get purge update-manager-cor e?
[03:09] <Docteh> i believe that'll work
[03:10] <sorakiu> No LSB modules are available.
[03:10] <sorakiu> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[03:10] <sorakiu> Description:	Ubuntu 9.04
[03:10] <sorakiu> Release:	9.04
[03:10] <sorakiu> Codename:	jaunty
[03:10] <FloodBot3> sorakiu: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:10] <tux11> i can't belive i'm hearing crap about the bets linux on earth
[03:10] <ctmjr> wrapster, crt or lcd
[03:10] <wrapster> ctmjr: crt
[03:10] <macravin> try sudo apt-get remove gnome-core ; sudo apt-get autoremove
[03:10] <IdleOne> sorakiu: ok run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get safe-upgrade after that run sudo do-release-upgrade
[03:10] <ctmjr> wrapster, try to increase the refresh rate as high as it will go
[03:10] <MoTec> Not too impressed with UNR 9.10, honestly.. Wireless didn't work out of the box, and there is no desktop-switcher - the package is missing.. has no installation canidate.  I don't understand why 8.04 worked great 'out of the box', wireless and all, and all I had to do to get a real gnome desktop was go to system - options - switch desktop mode... I thought newer versions would be better.
[03:10] <ccfontes> hello, I want to request a feature, but I want to know if it is necessary first. any one responsible for that here? evince doesnt display japanese fonts, though xpdf and acrobat reader are able with a convenient package. why there isnt something like that for evince?
[03:10] <tux11> finding it hard to understand why some would hate the logo?
[03:10] <PingFloyd> ASrock: readup on easyBCD,  when you have two OSes installed, it's a question of which bootloader will chainload the other bootloader.  I've found it to be less headache to have window's bootloader chainload grub instead of the other way around
[03:10] <tux11> ubuntu rocks
[03:10] <KB1JWQ> MoTec: What unit?
[03:11] <KB1JWQ> !ot | tux11
[03:11] <tux11> easy apl
[03:11] <mathias_maranhao> Shoshana: ?
[03:11] <MoTec> KB1JWQ: dell mini 9.   I had to update packages over an ethernet connection then enable to wireless driver.
[03:11] <PingFloyd> ASrock: a util called easyBCD makes that easy
[03:11] <MoTec> KB1JWQ: no big deal.. but annoying.
[03:11] <KB1JWQ> MoTec: Just upgraded my Dell mini 9 today.
[03:11] <tux11> leave ubun tu alone that logo hate need sto be left at the dooor really copme on
[03:11] <sorakiu> IdleOne, that didn't seem to do anything, should i do the purge on update-manager-core?
[03:11] <poseidon> I lost my background on my new install.  Anyone know of a wallpaper of a solid ubuntu (glass I think) figure falling into water?
[03:12] <tux11> no updating on beta ethier
[03:12] <wrapster> ctmjr: yes thats the issue.. if i try opening the display tab.. I get an error saying "It appears that your graphics driver does not support the necessary extensions to use this tool.  Do you want to use your graphics driver vendor's tool instead?"
[03:12] <IdleOne> sorakiu: I never tried that but I guess it couldn't hurt to much
[03:12] <PingFloyd> tux11: are you drunk?
[03:12] <tux11> trying to move beta to stable
[03:12] <poseidon> I can't find it and it's driving me crazy
[03:12] <KB1JWQ> !ops tux11 ranting
[03:12] <tux11> no one is ranting
[03:12] <wrapster> ctmjr: and after this there is no way I can actually go and change anything...
[03:12] <tux11> not a bot
[03:12] <sirius> PingFloyd: I am, and I can type properly.  Don't hate.
[03:12] <MoTec> KB1JWQ: You get the wireless to work?  It's not hard.. But it doesn't work after the initial install.
[03:12] <IdleOne> tux11: run normal updates from beta and you will get final
[03:12] <KB1JWQ> MoTec: Haven't tried, honestly.
[03:12] <tux11> nope
[03:12] <KB1JWQ> Let me dig it out and see.
[03:13] <macravin> 9.10 mad  me move to debian , neither the mouse nor keyboard worked... then when I changed xorg.conf to load my drivers I noticed all this force branding
[03:13] <tux11> oh maybe let me check
[03:13] <Docteh> !ops | tux11 is rambling according to KB1JWQ
[03:13] <KB1JWQ> MoTec: Although it DID see all the nearby networks, so... :-)
[03:13] <tux11> yes
[03:13] <KB1JWQ> Docteh: Thanks. :-)
[03:13] <MenZa> Docteh: We generally get it on the use of '!ops' :)
[03:13] <foul_owl> how do i type unicode characters? i tried ctrl+shift+hex code but no effect. gnome
[03:13] <PingFloyd> macravin: yeah, I think there's some bugs still needing fixing, maybe it will get better in a few months
[03:13] <tux11> no one is ranting thanks
[03:13] <IdleOne> macravin: please report issues/bugs @ launchpad.net
[03:13] <Docteh> MenZa: i figured i'd do it right and trigger everyones highlight
[03:14] <Sirisian> Does cp -r go into symbolic links?
[03:14] <MoTec> KB1JWQ: just make sure you update packages.. then you go into system - hardware drivers and enable the proprietary broadcom sta wireless driver.
[03:14] <ctmjr> wrapster, in terminal type nvidia-settings
[03:14] <macravin> I did, and the fixes
[03:14] <KB1JWQ> MoTec: Welp, it worked out of the box for me, is what I'm saying.
[03:14] <macravin> it only happens when you upgrade form jaunty
[03:14] <KB1JWQ> MoTec: I'm pitching in to help you out here, my box works fine. :-)
[03:14] <wrapster> ctmjr: "ou do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server."
[03:14] <IdleOne> macravin: I upgraded without issues
[03:14] <tux11> never teste dthe wi fi
[03:14] <MoTec> KB1JWQ: That's really odd.. because I installed from a fresh download about 3 hours ago.. I had to update my packages before it showed under hardware drivers...
[03:15] <losha> Sirisian: it's configurable. I think the default is it copies the linked to file... man cp
[03:15] <ctmjr> wrapster, type sudo nvidia-xconfig
[03:15] <tux11> but bethernet now works
[03:15] <KB1JWQ> MoTec: I'm on the HP Mini 1000.
[03:15] <SetiAmon> Only issue i have is my Xtreme music(xfi) sound is all messed up.static and distortions
[03:15] <tux11> acer aspire one  d250
[03:15] <MoTec> KB1JWQ: Aaah.. A little different then... I found a lot of threads on the wireless on the mini-9 requiring an update before they worked.
[03:15] <wrapster> ctmjr: "data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf, much have a driver line"
[03:15] <macravin> It's a hardware thing, anyway debians update worked, so I switched. Even though their default theme is the ugliest thing I have ever seen
[03:15] <KB1JWQ> MoTec: Yeah, I went the HP direction.  It runs OS X nicely too, but it's not made for screens that tiny.
[03:16] <PingFloyd> macravin: it is always a hardware thing
[03:16] <macravin> and it doesn't start up with usplash
[03:16] <MoTec> KB1JWQ: you using the UNR desktop thingy or you get a real gnome desktop somehow?
[03:16] <johnjohn101> i love the new ubuntu. LOVE it
[03:16] <KB1JWQ> MoTec: The former.  Works better that way.
[03:17] <princem> I keep getting authentication failed when trying to install ubuntu
[03:17] <PingFloyd> macravin: are you having a video driver issue?
[03:17] <princem> is this a known issue?
[03:17] <jmcantrell> after installing karmic, i boot up and after the little logo, the screen goes blank. any ideas what's wrong?
[03:17] <macravin> I admit that the new splash theme id good, but the new ubuntu is really irritating
[03:17] <MoTec> KB1JWQ: the lack of a 'close' button in the upper right of the windows drives me nuts..
[03:17] <Adys> I got a windows xp partition which I cant currently access, how do I add it to grub? its on hd(0,2)
[03:18] <macravin> you cant customize the grub menu ether
[03:18] <mgmuscari> hmmmm does anyone know if i can use wine to run BOOTSECT.exe from the windows 7 install media to make a bootable usb install drive?
[03:18] <doltek> How do I disable the count down in the boot up before it loads ubuntu?
[03:18] <mgmuscari> using the default ubuntu wine installation
[03:18] <SetiAmon> since moving to karmic I haven't seen any differences except that my sound is all distorted,and i can't install the creative x-fi drivers to fix it
[03:18] <wrapster> ctmjr: in the xorg.conf file i  can see that the driver section has nvidia listed ....
[03:18] <wrapster> ctmjr: as an entry
[03:18] <craigbass1976> sudo mount <IP_ADDRESS>:/nfs/share/ /nfs/share/mountpoint  <--  This isn't working.   How do I remount it without rebooting?
[03:18] <wrapster> ctmjr: this is the 2nd time i am reinstalling ubuntu (32bit) and both times i faced this issue...
[03:18] <jmcantrell> i don't even have an xorg.conf. what gives?
[03:19] <wrapster> ctmjr: :(.... pls help
[03:19] <Adys> doltek: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst, change the line that says timeout		3
[03:19] <mgmuscari> craigbass1976: umount -f to force unmounting
[03:19] <craigbass1976> When I try to unmount it, device is busy
[03:19] <craigbass1976> mgmuscari, ahh
[03:19] <ctmjr> wrapster, paste your xorg.conf file
[03:19] <brocgiddens> how many of you guys have been getting the kernel error about ecc memory at boot in 9.10? and what do you know about it?
[03:19] <macravin> xorg.conf is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:19] <mgmuscari> craigbass1976: use lsof to find out which processes have handles open in that path
[03:19] <ctmjr> !paste > wrapster
[03:19] <craigbass1976> lsof is hanging
[03:20] <craigbass1976> mgmuscari, ^^
[03:20] <Athar_> does anyone know how to save all your notes in Tomboy?
[03:20] <foul_owl> how do i type unicode characters? i tried ctrl+shift+hex code but no effect. gnome
[03:20] <MoTec> meh, guess i'll just go back to 8.04.  it worked fine
[03:20] <Athar_> it seems like they're saved in ~/.local/share/tomboy, but will it be enough to simply copy them to another computer?
[03:20] <mgmuscari> craigbass1976: be patient... can take a minute
[03:20] <KB1JWQ> craigbass1976: stale NFS mount?
[03:20] <MoTec> well, it worked great, honestly.. heh
[03:20] <craigbass1976> Athar_, there must be a .tomboy or equivalent directory in /home/you/ that has the data
[03:20] <Adys> craigbass1976: killall on the process, then fusermount -u myShare
[03:20] <Phase> Anyone know of an application that would let me create a sound file emitting a specific Hz?
[03:20] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Did you say desktop-switcher doesn't work?
[03:20] <wrapster> ctmjr: http://pastie.org/681023
[03:20] <jmcantrell> i have an nvidia card. is there a way that i can boot into a safe mode so that i can configure the driver somehow?
[03:21] <Loafers> Which is better Go-oo or OOo?
[03:21] <jmcantrell> right now all i get is a blank screen
[03:21] <RobMcMahon> OOo
[03:21] <craigbass1976> I cannot believe how angry I am...
[03:21] <sorakiu> guys -- forgot an errrand -- will be back on at another time -- thx for suggestions -- will figure it uout later
[03:21]  * losha wishes there was a #ubuntu-lts-support list
[03:21] <macravin> heyy lets go to #debian-offtopic
[03:21] <Athar_> It seems like I have no .tomboy directory in my home folder, though
[03:21] <MoTec> OzFalcon: yeah.. it tells me the pacakge is referenced by another package, but not available.
[03:21] <Loafers> RobMcMahon, Why?  I read Go-oo is supposedly faster and better?
[03:21] <Docteh> Phase: dang it i knew of one, the tool that everyone uses for like aiff -> wav conversion does it
[03:21] <Docteh> sox?
[03:21] <jbuncher> losha, do you have a hardy question?
[03:22] <OzFalcon> MoTec, So it's not even installed?
[03:22] <Phase> Docteh: no idea what that tool would be
[03:22] <MoTec> OzFalcon: correct
[03:22] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Can you do a force install?
[03:22] <Phase> Docteh: I'm poking around synaptic atm
[03:22] <losha> jbuncher: no, I don't to spend time supporting non-lts releases....
[03:22] <jmcantrell> anyone else had any issues doing a fresh install with an nvidia card?
[03:23] <MoTec> OzFalcon: Package desktop-switcher has no installation canidate.
[03:23] <jbuncher> losha, ok
[03:23] <wrapster> ctmjr: any idea of how to resolve it? or am I missing some pkg?
[03:23] <speculater> how do I get effects in compiz for highlighting the urls in firefox?
[03:23] <losha> jbuncher: thanks for offering though... :-)
[03:23] <IdleOne> MoTec: I think your looking for indicator-applet-session
[03:24] <jbuncher> losha, no problem, I'm still running 8.04 on my desktop and laptop, so I thought I'd offer.
[03:24] <jmcantrell> anyone?
[03:24] <jbuncher> jmcantrell, sorry, just did an upgrade, worked fine.
[03:24] <losha> jbuncher: me too, still at 8.04 on server and desktop...
[03:24] <jmcantrell> how can i boot into single user mode?
[03:24] <Guest33368> ubuntu v9.04 i'm updating packages on a program and its saying your computer appears to be behind a firewall, i have firestart installed but have allowed the ports needed....does ubuntu have another firewall?
[03:24] <jmcantrell> i can't seem to get into the grub menu
[03:24] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Hmmm.
[03:24] <freevryheid> karmic rocks ! nice to see eclipse is updated to 3.5. Any news on the cdt update?
[03:25] <MoTec> IdleOne: "indicator-applet is an applet to display information from various applications consistently in the GNOME panel."  Doesn't sound appropriate.
[03:25] <SetiAmon> hey were do i report bugs/errors with karmic koala?i want to report my xfi sound problems
[03:25] <jmcantrell> what can i do if all i'm getting is a blank screen on boot?
[03:26] <jbuncher> SetiAmon, search for your bugs on launchpad.net
[03:26] <tonsofpcs> anyone have a good upnpav media player?  Using mplayer but it seems to set a start point at 50% every time...
[03:27] <Docteh> Phase: find yourself a tone generator yet?
[03:27] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Is the package available for normal 9.10?
[03:27] <freevryheid> tonsofpcs, tried vlc?
[03:27] <SetiAmon> nah i'll just wait a week or two untill the kinks are worked out.
[03:27] <jbuncher> losha, it's a nice solid release :)
[03:28] <jmcantrell> hardly
[03:28] <Phase> Docteh: nope
[03:28] <MoTec> OzFalcon: Oh, and metacity is already installed, by the way.  And I do not know if that package is available for normal 9.10... I doubt it, actually.. As I thought the packages were the same.
[03:28] <jmcantrell> i can't even get it to boot up
[03:28] <losha> jbuncher: personally. I think it should be the release of choice for beginners, but what do I know?
[03:28] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Yeah, Sorry bout before.
[03:28] <MoTec> OzFalcon: not a problem.. I'm grasping at straws :)
[03:29] <jmcantrell> what are my debugging options if all i get is a blank screen?? please! anyone?
[03:29] <OzFalcon> MoTec, I have a 9.10 xubuntu install. I'll check it.
[03:29] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Moment.........
[03:29] <Jordan_U> Phase: What exactly do you need, audacity has tone genorators and can be scripted, and there are other programs as well
[03:29] <Trizicus> How can I make cpufreq-selector always be on 'performance' mode?
[03:29] <OzFalcon> MoTec, (It's in the garage.......)
[03:29] <OzFalcon> MoTec, (Down the back..............)
[03:29] <jmcantrell> this is an ubuntu support channel, right??
[03:30] <princem> first time trying ubuntu
[03:30] <Paullo_> SuperOS is really good?
[03:30] <rolando_> hola que tal me pueden pasar manual información sobre como instalar programas  los cuales tengo que compilar primero
[03:30] <princem> i can't install it :(
[03:30] <Phase> Jordan_U: I just want to play a continuous sound at a specific hertz range.. just over and over and over
[03:30] <Jordan_U> jmcantrell: Try holding shift at boot and selecting recovery mode
[03:30] <princem> I try to install it and get authentication failed - and it just boots up into live mode
[03:30] <princem> somebody please help me :( :(
[03:30] <putz3000> I would like to upgrade 9.04 to 9.10.  I am unable to find the "alternative" download iso that the instructions talk about.  What must I do to upgrade from cd/iso image?
[03:30] <losha> jmcantrell: it is: but your problem is difficult. I'm not sure you have much in the way of debugging options at this point
[03:30] <jbuncher> losha, yeah, though there's enough little things between 8.04 and 9.10 that are nice for users (newer firefox/openoffice, compact view in nautilus, the new notification system is quite nice, kde4 for those that like that, etc.)
[03:30] <tonsofpcs> freevryheid: all the prebuilt ubuntu builds seem to have upnp renderer disabled...
[03:30] <Trizicus> how can I change the default CPU freq. in Ubuntu? I know how to change it in the OS but I have to keep changing at reboot.
[03:31] <tech-mike> anybody elses empathy / pidgin notification area offset ?
[03:31] <tonsofpcs> err, upnp discovery...
[03:31] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Strangely My 9.04 installs desktop-switcher. And gives me the option to switch to UNR desktop (On 9.04!)
[03:31] <jmcantrell> this sucks
[03:31] <Jordan_U> Phase: You can easily create a wav file in audacity and loop it, or you can use something like "beep"
[03:31] <dksoba> In Windows, if I open up a particular directory with 4000+ simulation files, it displays nearly instantly. Is there a settings problem that causes this operation to take 30+ seconds? (In GUI, or if I type ls /at/the/dir)
[03:31] <losha> jbuncher: well, if the next LTS can be as stable as 8.04, I'll be very happy...
[03:31] <tonsofpcs> freevryheid: i'd love to use vlc if there's an x86 built with upnpav discovery already....
[03:31] <Jordan_U> !alternate | putz3000
[03:31] <mhaz> how did your upgrade to karmic go?
[03:31] <Phase> Jordan_U: I'll look around audacity and `beep` then, thanks :)
[03:31] <MoTec> OzFalcon: 8.04 worked fine, too :)
[03:32] <Jordan_U> Phase: np
[03:32] <MoTec> OzFalcon: http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1304756&highlight=desktop-switcher
[03:32] <princem> anyone??
[03:32] <MoTec> at least i'm not the only one, lol.
[03:32] <tech-mike> anybody elses empathy / pidgin notification area offset ?
[03:32] <Jordan_U> putz3000: Let me get you a direct link
[03:32] <scott_ino2> tech-mike, it's a known issue
[03:32] <tech-mike> scott_ino2:  damn
[03:32] <jbuncher> losha, indeed, as long as there aren't problems reminiscent of the pulseaudio problems that there were when 8.04 got released (oh!  and inkscape got revved by a version in 9.10, so that a bug that's been in there since hardy finally got fixed :) )
[03:32] <eoin> !minimal > eoin
[03:32] <putz3000> so it is now referenced as a text download I take it then, I saw it under the windows download option.
[03:32] <rolando_> que trae de nuevo ubuntu 9.10?
[03:33] <scott_ino2> tech-mike, you do mean the placement of the notification correct?
[03:33] <tech-mike> scott_ino2:  yes
[03:33] <tech-mike> scott_ino2:  its lower than it should be
[03:33] <trampel> !es > rolando_
[03:33] <scott_ino2> tech-mike, yeah it's a known issue
[03:33] <ctmjr> wrapster, sorry had to take care of something you said when you run nvidia-sttings it kicks out an error you are not running the nvidia driver?
[03:33] <tonsofpcs> freevryheid: it seems the last ubuntu vlc build that had it enabled was dapper...
[03:33] <PingFloyd> mhaz: upgrade went fine, but some proprietary drivers stopped working right
[03:33] <scott_ino2> tech-mike, actually it's not an issue it was done that way intentionally
[03:33] <scott_ino2> tech-mike, hopefully they'll fix it still
[03:33] <tech-mike> scott_ino2:  needs to go back
[03:33] <rolando_> ??
[03:33] <Jordan_U> putz3000: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate ( it's called "text based installer" on ubuntu.com/download )
[03:33] <tech-mike> scott_ino2:  its lame that when u hover on it it fades out rather than focus
[03:34] <rolando_> ls
[03:34] <IdleOne> !es | rolando_
[03:34] <princem> Please help me, I really want to try linux for the first time.. can't get it to install :(
[03:34] <losha> jbuncher: well. I don't mind there being initial bugs, as long as they do get fixed. IMO, the best release to pick is an LTS that's about 6 months old...
[03:34] <tonsofpcs> i'm using machines with very limited drive space, so compiling myself is not an option [unless i figure out how to crosscompile from this x64 box]
[03:34] <Jordan_U> princem: What happens when you try to install?
[03:34] <MoTec> princem: just boot off of the live cd and check it out.
[03:34] <putz3000> Jordan_U: thank you, that will help.  thanks for the help
[03:34] <Jordan_U> putz3000: np
[03:34] <princem> I get authentication failure when I select install ubuntu
[03:34] <scott_ino2> tech-mike, notifications are still very new so hopefully they'll make a few features for it, options/preferences
[03:34] <rolando_> ok gracias
[03:34] <princem> and it boots up to a logon prompt
[03:34] <princem> I never get options to install
[03:35] <princem> err.. i never get prompts like the screen shots show
[03:35] <jbuncher> losha, yeah, unfortunately there's just a ton of moving parts when upgrading a distro.  I stick with the "keep a spare partition on my machines for testing the latest ubuntu release so I know if all my stuff works when I upgrade" method :)
[03:35] <princem> i have installed it before on another computer but this version is giving me trouble
[03:35] <tech-mike> scott_ino2:  also ... anybody elses sound seem glitchy ? mine is a nvidia driver
[03:35] <princem> I currently have xp loaded on the hard drive
[03:35] <PingFloyd> princem: did you check the md5sum of the downloaded iso?
[03:35] <scott_ino2> tech-mike, I haven't experienced any problems with sound
[03:35] <Jordan_U> princem: Do you get to a desktop when you boot from the LiveCD?
[03:35] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Definatly a 9.10 bug. xubuntu fails the same. (They all use the same repos. They are all missing desktop-switcher)
[03:36] <trampel> princem: isn't this behavior a new "feature" of grub2?
[03:36] <PingFloyd> princem: all sorts of weird things can happen when you get a bad copy of an iso
[03:36] <tech-mike> scott_ino2:  hmm, could also be related to the kernal crash detected pop ups i had/have
[03:36] <tech-mike> scott_ino2:  somehow related to bios ecc ?
[03:36] <MoTec> OzFalcon: yeah.  found a 14h old 'bug' about it being missing from the repositories.
[03:36] <scott_ino2> tech-mike, yeah i have those, however i don't think they're actually serious
[03:36] <princem> no I haven't tried live cd
[03:36] <tech-mike> scott_ino2:  i8 well thx....ill wait to see what updates pump out
[03:36] <princem> I have only tried the install ubuntu option
[03:37] <scott_ino2> tech-mike, sound issues wouldn't be a buntu thing, probably alsa related unless ubuntu is doing something weird
[03:37] <princem> but after getting all those errors it boots me into a logon prompt
[03:37] <princem> I can't login with any credentials
[03:37] <MoTec> princem: definately use the option to 'try without making any changes' first.  make sure all your hardware works
[03:37] <Bergerac-Fleur> I can not, for the life of me configure my xorg.conf so that my tablet gets mapped to only one monitor!
[03:37] <princem> I downloaded the ubuntu copy from the ubuntu website
[03:37] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Ubuntu is getting very rough round the edges.
[03:37] <PingFloyd> princem: which iso?
[03:37] <losha> jbuncher: yep, I like to keep a spare root partition for installs. Eventually, I'll give 9.10 a try natively. So far, 9.10 has run ok for me in vmware but I'm not ready to *rely* on it...
[03:37] <princem> ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso
[03:37] <MoTec> OzFalcon: still better than most the options
[03:37] <PingFloyd> princem: what kind of cpu do you have?
[03:38] <dksoba> Is there a way to "record" all the commands you put into the termal like a MATLAB "diary"?
[03:38] <princem> hmm.. not sure
[03:38] <princem> it's an acer aspire 5000
[03:38] <princem> laptop
[03:38] <princem> It can run windows 7
[03:38] <FloodBot3> princem: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:38] <trampel> dksoba: man script
[03:38] <dksoba> trampel, thanks
[03:38] <Jordan_U> dksoba: look at $HOME/.bash_history
[03:38] <jbuncher> losha, yeah.  I've been testing it for a few weeks on the desktop and laptop, and everything I need seems solid.  I'm just worried about converting my existing xp vm from vmware to vbox.
[03:38] <OzFalcon> MoTec, I have about 5 bugs that should really never happen on a standard release. (But yeah - It's still ok. Fedora seem to get it right more often though)
[03:39] <princem> i'll try booting to live cd.. but let me know if you have any ideas
[03:39] <jbuncher> losha, and part of me at least wants to upgrade the desktop, so that I will have gone breezy->dapper->edgy->feisty->gutsy->hardy->intrepid->jaunty->karmic on a single install :)
[03:39] <Jordan_U> princem: Did you want to install Ubuntu to another partition or did you want to install it as a file in your windows paritition?
[03:39] <losha> princem: if you're a first timer, you may have better luck with 8.04 LTS.  I guess I'm just a coward...
[03:40] <princem> then it loads the logon screen.. that I can't get past
[03:40] <jbuncher> soreau, lol yeah, but I installed ubuntu first on breezy, so I missed those.
[03:40] <egoTripper88> How do i configure apcupsd to manage a usb attached Apc Back-up ups rs 900 in xubuntu?
[03:41] <jbuncher> losha, yeah, I do work on my deskotp and laptop, so I keep them synced to the same distro to keep things sane.  Mythbox is still running dapper though....
[03:41] <ianm_> any recommendations for playing music (samples) live via midi in ubuntu?
[03:41] <trampel> princem: and your iso has the correct mk5sum associated with your download?
[03:41] <ayman> how can make live cd from ubuntu karmic 9.10
[03:41] <princem> How would I check that? It very well could be a bad cd or burn
[03:41] <z3NNN> Ayman; Burn it with Poweriso.
[03:42] <Jordan_U> !md5 | princem
[03:42] <princem> I downloaded it from the ubuntu website.. i assume it's legit
[03:42] <ekontsevoy> I get "Failed to retreive share list from server" when I click on my Windows computer name in Ubuntu's gnome, yet smbtree command prints several shares on that machine just fine
[03:42] <trampel> princem: run mk5sum on the iso file
[03:42] <jimhill> Apologies if this has been covered already, but how does one get 9.10 onto a USB stick without an extant Linux or Windows box?
[03:42] <princem> will do
[03:42] <losha> jbuncher: What a coincidence! My mythbox is running on my 8.04 server. I think it's that that I'm most scared of disturbing...
[03:42] <ekontsevoy> Where do I look? I have a simple Windows 7 laptop with configured "home group" and Ubuntu's Gnome cannot see the shares...
[03:42] <ayman> no   am already install karmic i mean backup for all sys
[03:42] <paissad-hp> i would like to have an advice, i bought a cpu cooler zalman and it contained also a thermal grease, i want to know if it's better than the xilence silver thermal compound !
[03:42] <paissad-hp> thanks in advance
[03:42] <wgrant> paissad-hp: That doesn't really sound Ubuntu-related.
[03:43] <Jordan_U> jbuncher: Is mythTV supported on Dapper still?
[03:43] <dksoba> trampel, is there a way to do it w/out the output from the commands? I just want to record my commands
[03:43] <scott_ino2> paissad-acer, i use only zalman coolers the grease they provide is fine
[03:43] <snuffy47> anyone here see this before  smiths@smiths-laptop1:~$ smbclient -L ubuntu
[03:43] <snuffy47> Enter smiths's password:
[03:43] <snuffy47> Domain=[HOME] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.3.2]
[03:43] <snuffy47> Server requested LANMAN password (share-level security) but 'client lanman auth' is disabled
[03:43] <snuffy47> tree connect failed: SUCCESS - 0
[03:43] <FloodBot3> snuffy47: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:43] <ianm_> jimhill: maybe something here http://www.google.com/search?q=create+ubuntu+usb+windows
[03:43] <wgrant> Jordan_U, jbuncher: Only essential server applications remain supported in Dapper.
[03:43] <Jordan_U> paissad-hp: Try ##hardware
[03:43] <Eric-Storm> I'm having a mouse issue... After about 5-20 minutes of use my mouse freezes. It's a USB mouse. I've tried several mice it keeps happening. Any ideas?
[03:43] <ianm_> jimhill: oh you said without windows?  so what do you have exactly?
[03:44] <ayman> z3nnn
[03:44] <trampel> dksoba: uh... "script fred" puts all subsequent commands in the file "fred"... then "exit" to stop the recording.  how is this other than you want?
[03:44] <jimhill> lanm_: 2 OS X laptops.
[03:44] <snuffy47> http://paste.ubuntu.com/308166/ anyone see this beofre
[03:44] <dksoba> trampel, I guess I didn't read the man pages correctly
[03:44] <trampel> dksoba: that happens.... ;)
[03:44] <OzFalcon> jimhill, I think unetbootin is available for MAC
[03:44] <jbuncher> Jordan_U, wgrant : yeah, myth doesn't get updates anymore, just terrified of upgrading, as the mythdatabase format changed from dapper to hardy, and that can always be awful.
[03:45] <ianm_> jimhill: maybe something here http://www.google.com/search?q=create+ubuntu+usb+osx :D
[03:45] <trampel> dksoba: or you can do as was suggested and just examine your bash history, if you're running bash (and i'm sure you are, yes?)
[03:45] <jbuncher> losha, indeed.  Those database changes can be horrible.  And since myth currently *works* and is all firewalled, upgrading it from dapper isn't a priority for me, until I get a weekend where I want to deal with backing up the database and such.
[03:45] <ayman> am already installed karmic i mean how to make live cd frome  ubuntu karmic      like backup for all sys
[03:45] <losha> jbuncher: understand completely. No tv? Manageable. No dvr? Disaster...
[03:45] <Bsims> I can't get my system bell to beep nor turn on my numlock/caplock leds
[03:45] <OzFalcon> jimhill, Sory it doesn't
[03:45] <Guest28155> hello, how can I install grub so that it detects all the distributions I have in my pc? I tried the standard way, but it does not detect all the distributions I have. What can I do?
[03:45] <princem> I checked.. they are the same.. was I supposed to download a different iso? I see there are some for notebooks
[03:45] <princem> I got the desktop version (i think)
[03:46] <UBlondie> Hi, I'm back ....I'm still not convinced that Ubuntu should be having a problem with an ext usb harddrive. Western Digital harddrive has NO problems on Windows or Mac, but Ubuntu just doesn't want to know about it!  Fresh install of Ubuntu 9.10
[03:46] <jimhill> ianm: Thanks.  I am one of those people with the rare disability that I cannot find the proper combination of search terms for The Gooogle.
[03:46] <ayman> need help
[03:46] <OzFalcon> princem, When you boot from the cd. It has a check cd option. you cant do that?
[03:46] <ayman> help here
[03:46] <soreau> !help!
[03:46] <princem> it has a check disk option, install ubuntu, check memory, and a few other things
[03:46] <ayman> any body help me
[03:46] <princem> I will look again
[03:47] <soreau> ! anybody
[03:47] <stealth-> !ask | grep ayman
[03:47] <stealth-> opps, i'm too used to bash pipes lol :/
[03:47] <ayman> how make live cd from my karmic
[03:47] <MoTec> https://bugs.launchpad.net/desktop-switcher/+bug/322465 well, heck.. they say they've removed it from the repositories because there is another option for switching.. but they don't say how to switch!
[03:48] <soreau> stealth-: It still worked ;)
[03:48] <dksoba> trampel, yes
[03:48] <akahn786> Any here ever installed Ubuntu Remix on an older laptop, like a Dell Latitude C600?
[03:48] <Jordan_U> jbuncher: I am definitely looking foreward to the day when btrfs is stable and you can just roll back an upgrade in a second
[03:48] <losha> ayman: it's always seemed to me to be a lot of work, but see the following:
[03:48] <losha> !remaster | ayman
[03:48] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Great...... And they don't give the other option or hint of it do they?
[03:48] <MoTec> OzFalcon: "forge.net/ or http://linux.dell
[03:48] <jbuncher> Jordan_U, that would be quite nice.  Unfortunately I'll have to upgrade my dapper box before that happens :)
[03:48] <dksoba> trampel, yes bash history is what i needed, thanks
[03:48] <MoTec> OzFalcon: sorry, bad paste :)
[03:49] <ayman> ok thanks sir
[03:49] <MoTec> OzFalcon: "We recommend not using desktop-switcher anymore; this was only provided to accommodate for poorly supported graphics cards. In karmic+1 we should provide a different mean of switching between the two types of sessions."
[03:49] <Jordan_U> jbuncher: You can upgrade to btrfs from ext3 in place, so you would only have to upgrade the kernel ;)
[03:49] <jbuncher> Hey, technical question.  Do the servers/repositories still exists for the EOL-d distros, like edgy/breezy/etc?
[03:49] <Bsims> I found out how to get my system to beep... I had to sudo modprobe pcspkr its blacklisted
[03:49] <trampel> dksoba: i didn't suggest it initially.  there was someone else (scrolled off now) that was smarter  ;)
[03:49] <Jester05> hey guys, i have a question for you all regarding filesystems
[03:49] <Bsims> Mentioning it in the damnemd changelogs would have been nice
[03:49] <OzFalcon> MoTec, ok.
[03:50] <jimhill> Thanks, all.  G'night!
[03:50] <Bsims>  I found out how to get my system to beep... I had to sudo modprobe pcspkr its blacklisted on ubuntu
[03:50] <Jordan_U> jbuncher: Yes
[03:50] <princem> ok.. i did check disk and it said errors found in 1 files- what does that mean?? bad cd ? should i burn again?
[03:50] <Jester05> I'm trying to determine which FS i should use for a drive that will be used to store massive amounts of data, some files as large as 12-16gig
[03:50] <egoTripper88> How do i configure apcupsd to manage a usb attached Apc Back-up ups rs 900?
[03:50] <jbuncher> Jordan_U, I had enough of manually upgrading kernels back in my debian days (2.6.9 was the current kernel!) to get my via ethernet to work.
[03:50] <Jester05> I'm torn between NTFS and ext3/4 .. anyone have input
[03:50] <mdprotacio> question regarding plugging in of usb external disks.. i have to manually mount it all the time on karmic koala unlike on jaunty.. is there a way to automount it but should not be modifying fstab?
[03:50] <Jordan_U> Jester05: For what purpose?
[03:51] <MoTec> OzFalcon: Meh, I'm going to make an account and repost that question "what is the replacement for desktop-switcher"
[03:51] <Jester05> Jordan_U, read above
[03:51] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Interesting ..............UNR's launcher uses Clutter which requires a working OpenGL stack; this used to be rare, but is nowadays common. The classic desktop doesn't require GL support in anyway (falls back from compiz to metacity for window management if no GL present)
[03:51] <akahn786> I have an older laptop (Dell Latitude C600) and want to get a version of Ubuntu on there that's decently fast--any suggestions?  gOS (Ubuntu 8.04 dyrivative) won't load.  Any suggestions?
[03:51] <Jordan_U> Jester05: If you aren't going to be using it with windows then ext4
[03:51] <Jester05> large numbers of LARGE files, being accessed over my home network
[03:51] <Guest28155> how can I install grub so that it detects all the distributions I have in my pc? I tried the standard way, but it does not detect all the distributions I have. What can I do?
[03:51] <jbuncher> Jester05, I'd highly recommend against NTFS, it's not POSIX compliant, so that can mess with you.  Ext3 isn't the best for huge files, though I don't know about ext4.  I've had good luck with jfs, though you can lose data in the event of a sudden power-outage (it's journaled, but there can still be issues).
[03:52] <MoTec> OzFalcon: yes.. notice how the question above that asks a) is there an alternative... which isn't answered.
[03:52] <Cascade> To my understanding, ext4 should work well with large files, due to extents support
[03:52] <wrapster> ctmjr: could you help me
[03:52] <princem> OzFalcon : ok.. i did check disk and it said errors found in 1 files- what does that mean?? bad cd ? should i burn again?
[03:52] <memenyc> can someone help me with my grub2 issue?
[03:52] <Jester05> Hmm... maybe i should use NTFS just by default since one day I "may" want to access directly from a win machine
[03:52] <jbuncher> princem, yes
[03:52] <OzFalcon> princem, Bad burn or download.
[03:52] <Jester05> odds are everything will be accessed via samba tho
[03:53] <PingFloyd> princem: like I said, you should check the md5sum of your download
[03:53] <memenyc> I have followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows and I am such a n00b
[03:53] <Jordan_U> memenyc: Only if you tell us the issue :)
[03:53] <OzFalcon> princem, if you have spare cd's - just burn again at the slowest speed. then check again.
[03:53] <losha> jbuncher: old-repositories.ubuntu.com went off the air. Not sure there are still any copies around. Did you find one?
[03:53] <princem> the md5 checked out on the iso.. i would think it's the cd.. thanks
[03:53] <jbuncher> Jester05, how would you directly access from a win machine without going through samba or ssh or something like that?
[03:53] <memenyc> jordan_u: of course
[03:53] <PingFloyd> princem: then checked the md5sum of the disk itself, if you can, otherwise do the built in integrity check
[03:54] <jbuncher> losha, no, was just curious if it was even possible to upgrade dapper to edgy (rather than hardy), even though edgy is EOL-d
[03:54] <princem> will burn again.. thanks for your help guys
[03:54] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Ummmm. I rmember reading somewhere about changeing back. But cant remember.......
[03:54] <PingFloyd> princem: if you have a linux environment to check the cd with, you can do and md5sum on /dev/cdrom
[03:54] <Jester05> jbuncher, its an esata drive.. may plug it in to a win machine or by some off chance may need to run windows on this machine.. i have it dual booting but havent been in windows in over a year.. still running xp lol
[03:54] <Jordan_U> jbuncher: It is, but why would you want to?
[03:54] <Danau> hello all
[03:54] <losha> jbuncher: that's kinda what old-repositories was for I think. I'm guessing it just used up too much space to keep around...
[03:54] <ctmjr> wrapster, i was waiting for an answer to my question you must not have seen it,<ctmjr> wrapster, sorry had to take care of something you said when you run nvidia-settings it kicks out an error you are not running the nvidia driver?
[03:54] <memenyc> I have installed windows7 (microsoft gave it to me for free (BETA v.2700) and it ruined my ubuntu
[03:54] <MoTec> OzFalcon: yeah, he touches on changing back... rm -rf ~/.gconf
[03:54] <Guest28155> memenyc: what is the problem you have with grub?
[03:55] <than0> Does anyone know how to use okteta hex editor?
[03:55] <memenyc> I have played with the grub and I am a bit confused
[03:55] <jbuncher> princem, this link should tell you how to run an md5sum check on your download, so you can see if that is good (rather than wasting another cd with a bad download).  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[03:55] <OzFalcon> MoTec, No. This was some info on the UNR ubuntu site.
[03:55] <Guest28155> memenyc: confused in what way?
[03:55] <PingFloyd> memenyc: are you chainloading grub, or chainloading windows?
[03:55] <wrapster> yes I am...
[03:55] <wrapster> btw how do i check it if its runnig or not?
[03:55] <MoTec> OzFalcon: there is a special UNR site?  link please :)
[03:55] <edyros> hola
[03:55] <memenyc> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:55] <Danau> I downloaded and burned the ISO for Ubuntu 9.10 but it won't get past the main menu
[03:55] <memenyc> /dev/sda1               1       36509   293258511   83  Linux
[03:55] <memenyc> /dev/sda2           36510       72982   292969372+  83  Linux
[03:55] <jbuncher> Jordan_U, just said I was curious :)  Also figure the dapper-edgy upgrade path might be more tested than dapper-hardy
[03:55] <memenyc> /dev/sda3           72983       73955     7815622+   5  Extended
[03:56] <FloodBot3> memenyc: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:56] <memenyc> /dev/sda4   *       73956       80416    51893248    7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:56] <gluonman> I'm trying to reinstall grub after installing Windows 7 (dual-boot with Ubuntu). I'm having difficulties with grub-install. I've pasted my fdisk -l and grub device-map information here http://paste.ubuntu.com/308174/ .
[03:56] <memenyc> /dev/sda5           72983       73955     7815591   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[03:56] <whoDat_> how do i start X using a different config file than default xorg.conf?
[03:56] <Danau> anyone see this behavior before?
[03:56] <jbuncher> jbuncher, ok, thanks.
[03:56] <jbuncher> !pastebin > memenyc
[03:56] <MoTec> memenyc: not everyone wants to see that..
[03:56] <Jordan_U> jbuncher: Definitely not, the Dapper > Hardy is much better tested
[03:56] <Guest28155> PingFloyd: I have issues with grub as well, I need it to recognize all my current distributions, but it does not detect all of them. Any idea on how to fix it?
[03:57] <jbuncher> Jester05, ah ok.  Can an ext4 system be mounted ext3?
[03:57] <ctmjr> wrapster, run this egrep "Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:57] <Jordan_U> Guest28155: grub legacy or grub2?
[03:57] <fysik> bt4 ftw - used unet to load to usb - ran install script... so far so good
[03:57] <spunky166> hi guys - i just upgraded to 9.10 and am having problems with my Atheros wifi card - it's using the ath5k driver and everything is super slow and laggy ... any suggestions?
[03:57] <Sirisian> Guest28155, even after you run sudo update-grub?
[03:57] <PingFloyd> do you have grub installed to the MBR or to the partition?
[03:57] <jbuncher> Jordan_U, really?  Ok.  I would have thought differently, just given the number of users that would have upgraded to edgy compared to waiting for hardy.
[03:58] <DeaD_LocK> lol
[03:58] <memenyc> I will come back... I am a bit overwhelmed but next time I will use the paste.ubuntu.com
[03:58] <jacquesdupontd> hi
[03:58] <wrapster> ctmjr: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so
[03:58] <jacquesdupontd> i would like to change the frequency of my processor
[03:58] <jacquesdupontd> but it's impossible on KARMIC
[03:58] <OzFalcon> MoTec, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[03:58] <Guest28155> Sirisian: yes
[03:58] <memenyc> exit
[03:58] <jacquesdupontd> we can't dpkg reconfigure gnome-applets
[03:58] <Jester05> jbuncher, please explain?
[03:58] <jacquesdupontd> ANY CLUE ?
[03:58] <jbuncher> Danau, what do you mean by "main menu", can you describe it?
[03:58] <jacquesdupontd> oops sorry
[03:58] <FloodBot3> jacquesdupontd: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:58] <jacquesdupontd> any clue ?
[03:58] <Guest28155> Jordan_U: how can I tell which one I have installes?
[03:59] <DeaD_LocK> Hey can you get windows live messenger on linux ubuntu ..... ?
[03:59] <Jordan_U> jbuncher: Much more formal testing by Canonical and Ubuntu devs is done for LTS to LTS, Edgy was a short cycle nightmare, and with all of the new users we have since edgy it might have even been done more :)
[03:59] <DeaD_LocK> Anyone ?
[03:59] <Guest28155> PingFloyd: I have it installed to the mbr
[03:59] <MoTec> OzFalcon: Thanks.. My searching had taken me to part of that before.
[03:59] <jbuncher> Jester05, well, I know that ext3 filesystems can be mounted as ext2.  If the same holds for ext4 ( can be mounted as ext3), then you could install an ext3 driver in windows and access the ext4 filesystem that way.
[03:59] <Ed54> DeaCon: there are other clients you can use that support the msn network
[03:59]  * Avash off
[03:59] <than0> Which "operand" in binary filter should I chose to Encrypt in XOR under "OKTETA" thanks?
[03:59] <jbuncher> Jordan_U, oh right, forgot about the July -> October cycle.
[04:00] <spunky166> can anyone help out with the atheros drivers question? what happened with the restricted drivers that were in 9.04 - those used to work great
[04:00] <Jester05> jbuncher, very nice..
[04:00] <Jester05> jbuncher, I'll have to look into that later..
[04:00] <Guest28155> DeaD_LocK: there is a version similar to live msng called amsn or emesene
[04:00] <jbuncher> Jester05, I don't know if that's possible though.  ext4 might not be backwards compatible like that.  I do know there is an ext2/3 driver for windows, and it works pretty well.  Maybe they'll have an ext4 one soon?
[04:00] <MoTec> OzFalcon: Going to call it a night.. Thanks being a good sounding board :)
[04:01] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Yeah. I think I must have read something in here. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix
[04:01] <DeaD_LocK> Yeah I am using them at the moment but I perfer WLM
[04:01] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Ok. Chow.
[04:01] <Cascade> jbuncher: ext4 has some features not present in ext3, so it's unlikely that an ext3 driver is going to work properly
[04:01] <Jester05> jbuncher, just out of curiosity ... why are you against ntfs
[04:01] <MoTec> Ciao :)
[04:01] <Guest28155> DeaD_LocK: I don't think it exists
[04:02] <DeaD_LocK> Okay,thanks :)
[04:02] <garbanzalo> Hello I have a question about init.d
[04:02] <jacquesdupontd> it makes 10 times that i come today and nobody is never answering me and most of the time it's for simple changes of karmic that i can't guess
[04:02] <jacquesdupontd> Could someone please ty to help me ?
[04:02] <Guest28155> what is the difference between grub legacy and grub2?
[04:02] <jacquesdupontd> i would like to change the frequency of my PROC
[04:02] <jacquesdupontd> by gnome applets
[04:02] <ctmjr> wrapster, it makes no sense your xorg file has nvidia but it is loading the vesa driver what card do you have and where did you get the 180 driver from?
[04:02] <garbanzalo> My mydsql daemon suddenly has stopped starting at startup. I have to start it using sudo /etc/init/d/mysql start
[04:02] <OzFalcon> MoTec, One last thought. Check under user settings.....
[04:02] <jacquesdupontd> and to keep the value after reboots, but reconfigure gnome-applets doesn't work
[04:02] <garbanzalo> I verified it is already in rc3.d
[04:03] <ari_stress> how do i download older ubuntu? the website only direct me to 9.10
[04:03] <Razaroth> How many Windows programs/games are compatible with UBUNTU?
[04:03] <buju> hey i need help  my xinit is not working
[04:03] <wrapster> apt-get install nvidia-180-kernel-source
[04:03] <garbanzalo> I am using ubuntu 9.10
[04:03] <buju> with this upgrade
[04:03] <The_Journey> Why does my kubuntu keeps hanging randomly? Like one moment everything works fine, then the next nothing works, I have to press my power down button to shut the computer down
[04:03] <wrapster> ctmjr: thats how i got the driver.
[04:03] <MoTec> OzFalcon: yeah.. looked thru every menu :)
[04:03] <Guest_348> Oh no! Holy syntactic sugar, Batman! Using -> for method calls is really
[04:03] <Guest_348>  just a shortcut:
[04:03] <Guest_348> \layout LyX-Code
[04:03] <OzFalcon> MoTec, Perhaps this is a waiting for the bug fix time.
[04:03] <buju> so how do i get kde or gnome working
[04:04] <jbuncher> Jester05, It's an MS-only filesystem, and doesn't support the POSIX way of dealing with file permissions and users and groups and such, so if that sort of thing is important there could be issues.  Also, to my knowledge there isn't a file system check utility (like scandisk or chkdsk in windows) for ntfs in linux.  There are some rudimentary tools to fix issues with the journal, but that's it.
[04:04] <MoTec> OzFalcon: yes, feels that way.
[04:04] <MrSchmo> any information on how to fix ubuntu unable to access windows 7 shares?
[04:04] <ctmjr> wrapster, did you change the xorg.conf to nvidia?
[04:04] <wrapster> ctmjr: no
[04:04] <wrapster> it was already present when i opened up the file
[04:04] <OzFalcon> MoTec, (Personaly) I think ubuntu should be on a 12mth release cycle. Less bugs I'd recon.
[04:04] <jbuncher> Jester05, so basically, if something goes wrong you might be dependent on windows tools to get the data back, and I've found that's always a *horrible* position to be in.  Better to use filesystems that play nicer with linux.
[04:05] <The_Journey> Why does my kubuntu keeps hanging randomly? Like one moment everything works fine, then the next nothing works, I have to press my power down button to shut the computer down
[04:05] <Guest28155> Sirisian: could you help me? do you know how can I make grub get all the distributions I have in my pc?
[04:05] <PingFloyd> OzFalcon: I wouldn't mind if they went with the "when it's ready" release strategy
[04:05] <buju> how do i get my kde or gnome working  it says suspioucs root
[04:05] <OzFalcon> PingFloyd, That would be good too.
[04:05] <Jester05> jbuncher, thank you.. I've been trying to find a straight forward reasoning for a while now lol finally did
[04:05] <ctmjr> wrapster, look in the main menu under System > Administration > hardware drivers and see if anything is listed
[04:05] <DeaD_LocK> Can you play games on linux ubuntu everytime I try nothing happens even with wine =/
[04:06] <dooglus> !psp
[04:06] <bastidrazor> PingFloyd: if you feel that way why upgrade when they first release?.
[04:06] <wrapster> ctmjr: yes what is listed is the 180-kernel-source
[04:06] <dooglus> anyone know how to open .psp images in ubuntu?  (paint shop pro format)
[04:06] <wrapster> ctmjr: but earlier when i used the gui to install it .. it used to hang... so i did it via cmd line...
[04:06] <Sirisian> Guest28155, well update-grub looks at all the ones in /boot/ which are all of the kernels. Another way to see the ones you've installed is in the package manager and search for "linux-image". If that's not what you mean then I'm not sure.
[04:06] <PingFloyd> bastidrazor: I usually use debian, but decided to take ubuntu for a spin a little ways back
[04:07] <Sirisian> Guest28155, locate linux-image might find all of the kernels? I'm not really that saavy with linux though.
[04:07] <OzFalcon> bastidrazor, When Joe blow burns a CD. It's still going to have bugs in it. 1 day after release or 3 months. Causing a bad 1st impression.
[04:07] <wrapster> ctmjr: and at the bottom...it says that "this driver is currently installed and in use"
[04:07] <karex> HI, all. My empathy cannot connect to the server, can u help me??
[04:07] <PingFloyd> bastidrazor: jaunty worked fine(maybe because I installed it late), but karmic seems to have some issues
[04:07] <jbuncher> Jester05, yeah, as good as the NTFS support is, I've just never been comfortable using it a lot for those reasons.  Then again, I don't need to share many big files between my linux/win installs like you were saying (esata or something), so I haven't really had to deal with the issue.
[04:07] <Guest28155> Sirisian: the problem is that I have different distributions in different partitions.
[04:07] <ctmjr> wrapster, how long did it hang? jockey usually takes awhile what graphics card dod you have
[04:07] <buju> sirisian how do i get my kde or gnome working it says suspious root   when i type startx ?
[04:08] <wrapster> ctmjr: about 20mins
[04:08] <Sirisian> buju, no idea
[04:08] <Sirisian> Guest28155, can't help you then. I've never used partitions with linux yet :\
[04:08] <wrapster> ctmjr: so i did not use the gui...... secondly system-->adm-->hardware ... actually says that the driver is installed and is in use...
[04:08] <jbuncher> OzFalcon, agreed, that's why I like the LTS releases with the "point" releases to the installer.  Very nice idea.
[04:08] <PingFloyd> besides, a main release should work out of the box, otherwise it should be called testing or beta etc.
[04:09] <OzFalcon> jbuncher, Yes. ubuntu's redeeming release feature!
[04:09] <jbuncher> PingFloyd, funny, I had the opposite experience (issues with jaunty, karmic working great)
[04:09] <Jester05> jbuncher, alright thanks.. see the thing is I have a 1T drive thats connected to my pc via esata.  I'm sharing it across my home network via linux share and samba server.  For the time being I see no need to ever plug directly into a win machine however I cannot promise that as I have windows installed on this machine even.  & If I use this take data to my friends they may be running win :-\
[04:09] <Animagladius> Night
[04:10] <PingFloyd> jbuncher: the issue I'm having with karmic is a real stumper
[04:10] <sodium82> This is a joke right? Whats with all the tooltips! Looks like a toy os and not linux.
[04:10] <chang> i have aproble with remastersys programe its not work on ubuntu 9.10
[04:10] <DeaD_LocK> does anyone know how to change the ubuntu logo on the start menu to a mac one ..... ?
[04:10] <PingFloyd> jbuncher: I pretty much tried everything
[04:10] <amoe> Hi, in ubuntu if you make changes to /boot/grub/menu.lst do you still need to run grub-install to apply them?
[04:10] <jbuncher> OzFalcon, I wish they did something like that for the non-LTS ones as well.  If only once, say 4 months after the initial release or so, just to fix up some critical release bugs and the installer if needed.
[04:10] <OzFalcon> PingFloyd, what was issue?
[04:10] <princem> yup.. it was a bad cd.. typical noobie (me)
[04:10] <PingFloyd> OzFalcon: can't get fglrx driver to work right
[04:10] <ctmjr> wrapster, ok make a backup of your xorg.conf file sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak1
[04:10] <jbuncher> PingFloyd, what's the issue.
[04:11] <PingFloyd> OzFalcon: worked perfect in jaunty though
[04:11] <losha> princem: you're not the first. Nor will you be the last...
[04:11] <OzFalcon> jbuncher, yeah. Woudlnt be hard would it.
[04:11] <chang> why remastersys not work on ubuntu 9.10 any help for it
[04:11] <bastidrazor> OzFalcon: if joe blow wants to stay computer stupid then let him enjoy his bad first impression.  it is impossible to have every install work perfectly.
[04:11] <PingFloyd> tried both latest download from ati and the one from "hardware drivers"
[04:11] <OzFalcon> bastidrazor, Go away with that attitude.
[04:11] <bastidrazor> PingFloyd: every release has some issues. it is only human.
[04:11] <PingFloyd> bastidrazor: yeah
[04:12] <jbuncher> OzFalcon, I think it's just a matter of resources.  They'd have to test the new point release, collect everything together for it, etc.  I'm sure it's more work than is currently worth it to them.
[04:12] <buju> how do i fix a /tmp/.X11-unix and it says suspious root andwont let me startx my xserver
[04:12] <bastidrazor> OzFalcon: have a more open mind.
[04:12] <Razaroth> !help
[04:12] <dooglus> ubuntu is human?
[04:12] <MrSchmo> any information on how to fix ubuntu unable to access windows 7 shares?
[04:12] <dooglus> anyone know how to open .psp images in ubuntu?  (paint shop pro format)
[04:12] <macravin> Ubuntu is the most human os right
[04:12] <jmcantrell> how do i generate a default xorg.conf?
[04:12] <macravin> I guess that's what they mean
[04:12] <andbelo> I have an issue with keyborad: In mysql-client 5.1 (only), the delete key generates a tilde (~). Is there a way to fix that?
[04:12] <Razaroth> Could someone please tell me some simple !things to write here, so that i could read as to the auxilary information? EX: !psp
[04:12] <chang> can you help me sir
[04:13] <migg137> want to change pannel theme..... what is an easy way
[04:13] <buju> !help
[04:13] <migg137> thanks
[04:13] <MrSchmo> any info on how to fix ubuntu unable to access windows 7 shares. i get Error: Failed to retrieve share list from server.
[04:13] <macravin> Ubuntu is human in the way that it is temperamental and obnoxious
[04:13] <macravin> like most humans
[04:13] <cxo> I have 8.04 on my laptop, And I want to convert it to Netbook remix version. Can i do it with apt-get?
[04:13] <OzFalcon> jbuncher, Yeah. Thats also true. But surely an auto iso builder could be made. Same way it's released by day build prior to release. (rc?)
[04:13] <jbuncher> macravin, stop the trolling please.
[04:13] <macravin> and it doesn't install properly, because it's human
[04:13] <macravin> ok
[04:13] <jbuncher> dooglus, did you try the gimp?
[04:13] <PingFloyd> I think it is a good goal to release every 6 months, but sometimes I think it forces them to serve the wine before it is time, there's so many thing that can prevent everything from falling into place on time
[04:14] <jason__> hello
[04:14] <losha> Razaroth: you can read them all at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=repo
[04:14] <dooglus> jbuncher: yeah.  she doesn't like it
[04:14] <macravin> goodbye world
[04:14] <bastidrazor> jmcantrell:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg  ..should create one
[04:14] <Razaroth> Thank you losha.
[04:14] <spunky166> guys, can anyone help with atheros drivers under 9.10? the ath5k is working but very slow
[04:15] <OzFalcon> PingFloyd, Agreed. 6 months is a good goal. But I also think 12 months is a more practical goal.
[04:15] <merma> is there some good gnome + tiling integration?
[04:15] <jbuncher> OzFalcon, yeah, but I think for the official releases they like things a bit more locked down than the daily builds.  That's why the beta and rc freezes go into effect a while before the actual releases, things need to settle down so they can get the iso to work nicely.
[04:15] <spunky166> and madwifi seems to not compile with the 2.6.31 kernel headers due to naming collision
[04:15] <wrapster> ctmjr: ok done
[04:15] <DeaD_LocK> could some one connect to my channel please so i know i have set it up right it's #Deadlock
[04:15] <losha> PingFloyd: time based release is kind of like the 'Lucy & Ethel at the Chocolate Factory' episode
[04:16] <OzFalcon> jbuncher, I think 10.04 LTS will be nice. 8.04 was a bit lacking - But very stable.
[04:16] <ctmjr> wrapster, ok now run sudo nvidia-xconfig --force-generate and see if it kicks out any errors
[04:17] <Sirisian> I know include/linux/sched.h has the task_struct, but where are the defaults set when a new process is created?
[04:17] <Blue1> on a whole 9.10 is the buggiest release of ubuntu I've experienced.
[04:17] <jbuncher> OzFalcon, I'm very pleased to see that they'll be syncing with debian testing for 10.04, sticking with the latest Gnome 2, and going with a stability rather than feature release.  It really didn't seem like that's what they did with hardy, given the move to pulseaudio.
[04:17] <wrapster> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup';;;;  New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[04:17] <om26er> Blue1: plz do a clean install to avoid many problems
[04:17] <wrapster> ctmjr: Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup';;;;New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[04:17] <Blue1> om26er: i did
[04:17] <om26er> whats the bug
[04:17] <losha> OzFalcon: You know the old saying: feature, stability, on-time: you can have any *two* out of three...
[04:17] <javatexan> can you make a bootable ubuntu iso of a current hard drive?  assuming it will fit on dvd?
[04:18] <OzFalcon> losha, ;-)
[04:18] <Blue1> om26er: hang on I'll point you to one..
[04:18] <bjsnider> jbuncher, you're no fun
[04:18] <om26er> Blue1: have an old computer?
[04:18] <jbuncher> bjsnider, why?
[04:18] <Blue1> om26er: a year old?  http://www.pkill-9.com/wayno/pics/linux_9.10_weird.png
[04:18] <ctmjr> wrapster, now reboot or restart x by logging out then back in
[04:19] <buju> i  get a error message  when i type startx it says supious root  /tmp/.X11-unix
[04:19] <buju> can anyone help
[04:19] <rdg123> hello everyone
[04:19] <wrapster> ctmjr: ok...
[04:19] <om26er> Blue1: disable compiz and see if it help
[04:19] <Blue1> buju: did you try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[04:19] <Blue1> om26er: not running compiz
[04:19] <PingFloyd> the ultimate distro would be debian without DSFG policy imho
[04:19] <OzFalcon> Im off. C U Everyone.
[04:19] <buju> no
[04:20] <Blue1> buju: try that ---
[04:20] <buju> ok
[04:20] <om26er> Blue1: these kind of truobles come when hardrive is very busy and you try to perform things....what are the spexificationsof your system
[04:20] <jbuncher> losha, tried out gnome-shell much at all?
[04:20] <bjsnider> jbuncher, using it right now
[04:20] <wrapster> ctmjr: worked...
[04:21] <bjsnider> it's great
[04:21] <wrapster> thanks a lot for spending time...
[04:21] <jacquesdupontd> please people
[04:21] <Blue1> om26er: well succinctly I.ve an hp dual core amd system  with an nvidia card, and 2 g of ram
[04:21] <buju> ok let me try that
[04:21] <buju> brb
[04:21] <jacquesdupontd> How do we reconfigure gnome applet on karmic
[04:21] <Xiella> Bye everyone, thanks
[04:21] <jacquesdupontd> doesn't works like brefore
[04:21] <rdg123> I have a problem after using the upgrade feature from 9.04 to 9.10. It will no longer boot and says it cannot mount the volume and goes to some strange prompt..Taget file system doesn't have /sbin/init
[04:21] <rdg123> no init found, Try passing init=bootarg
[04:21] <rdg123> Busybox v1.10.2 (ubuntu 1:1.10.2-1 ubuntu7) built in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands
[04:21] <rdg123> (initramfs)
[04:21] <losha> jbuncher: sorry. I don't run any gnome/nautilus stuff. Just fvwm....
[04:21] <FloodBot3> rdg123: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:21] <ctmjr> wrapster, all better now flicker is gone?
[04:21] <wrapster> ctmjr: yeah... no flicker
[04:21] <jbuncher> losha, ok
[04:21] <jacquesdupontd> jbuncher, could you help me ?
[04:22] <jbuncher> bjsnider, any idea if there's a way to get the taskbar back?  (the thing with the window tabs)
[04:22] <jacquesdupontd> jbuncher, im trying to find a simple help, reconfigure gnome applets so i can set my proc value
[04:22] <ctmjr> wrapster, good to hear have fun and your welcome
[04:22] <DeaD_LocK> Anyone play ffr here ......... ?
[04:22] <jbuncher> jacquesdupontd, sorry, I don't nkow much about that.
[04:22] <bjsnider> jbuncher, it is not needed
[04:22] <simone> ciao
[04:22] <PingFloyd> jbuncher: try gnome-panel from terminal
[04:22] <simone> !list
[04:22] <bjsnider> wrapster, could you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[04:22] <wrapster> ctmjr: thanks .. but now i have to battle yet another issue with skype installation...
[04:22] <PingFloyd> jbuncher: been awhile, but I think that will bring it back if my memory serves me
[04:22] <wrapster> ctmjr: would you be interested in helping me?
[04:23] <jacquesdupontd> jbuncher, launch gnome-panel
[04:23] <rdg123> anyone else have that issue after upgrading to 9.10?
[04:23] <jbuncher> bjsnider, needed and wanted are two different things :)  I like to be able to click on my windows in the taskbar to switch between them
[04:23] <jacquesdupontd> jbuncher, prefer alt+F2 and type gnome-panel
[04:23] <S_A> Hi! I am trying to upgrade my system from 9.04 to 9.10 using (Auto upgrade process from Admin menu). The whole upgrade process seemed to work beautifully apart from 2 errors I got. (dahdi-dkms exit status 7 and ttf-mscorefonts-installer exit status 1). But now as soon as restarted the system. it seems to be giving problem. X is giving issues. as soon as ubuntu standard new boot screen tries to pass control to login screen, display br
[04:23] <jbuncher> gnome-panel
[04:23] <jbuncher> Cannot register the panel shell: there is already one running.
[04:23] <DeaD_LocK> Does anyone know how to change the ubuntu 9.04 logo on the start menu to a mac logo ?
[04:23] <bjsnider> jbuncher, then don't use gnome-shell. you use gnome-shell in lieu of that
[04:23] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, please could you help me
[04:23] <PingFloyd> jacquesdupontd: what problem are you having?
[04:23] <Blue1> om26er: this is the video card I have"  00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)  I flopped back to the 173 driver, because the 185 driver was causing way way too many lockups....
[04:23] <Blue1>
[04:24] <Ozzah> How do I find the size of a bunch of folders from the command line. I don't want the size of all folders, I'll be using a regex to identify which folders I want to aggregate
[04:24] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, just little thing before my ubuntu is perfect, i would like to set my cpu freq
[04:24] <princem> why would you want a mac logo lol
[04:24] <ctmjr> wrapster, wish i could but know nothing about skype
[04:24] <doltek> What is the closest program to winamp with Ubuntu?
[04:24] <merma> i hate that ubuntu is so buggy handling proxies
[04:24] <jbuncher> bjsnider, was just wondering if there was a way to do both.  I really like some of the things in gnome-shell, just want that taskbar back.
[04:24] <DeaD_LocK> They look good at the moment i have a foot as the logo =/
[04:24] <Dancho> audacios
[04:24] <PingFloyd> jacquesdupontd: as in cpu frequency scaling?
[04:24] <wrapster> ctmjr: ok no problem.. thanks
[04:24] <Subdub> Hey all, I have a problem with gParted. I want to enlarge my current partition, although when I try, it has pre-determined the maximum size, which I cannot change. I have a 10GB 'unallocated' partition, how do I force it to use this space?
[04:24] <Dancho> audacious is almost like wimap
[04:24] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, before we used to reconfigure gnome applet so the settings are back after reboot
[04:24] <Blue1> Ozzah: ls -l
[04:25] <om26er> Blue1: try 190 might help you
[04:25] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, i'm talking about the gnome-applets to scale proc
[04:25] <bjsnider> jbuncher, switch windows using the mouse action top left corner. that will display all windows for you
[04:25] <doltek> what is the termonal command to get it?
[04:25] <Blue1> om26er: is is in the repos?
[04:25] <buju> it said segmention fault blue 1  sudo should be 1001 not 0
[04:25] <S_A> I can do ssh in system. Display is giving issues
[04:25] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, im on karmic and sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets is not doing anything
[04:25] <Dancho> yes .. is there
[04:25] <om26er> Blue1: no, use ppa
[04:25] <princem> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-477133.html
[04:25] <Blue1> om26er: I don't have the url for that...
[04:25] <jbuncher> bjsnider, yeah, that works pretty well.  still want a taskbar though :  Oh well, it's an early version, not feature complete yet.
[04:26] <Pringles> hi can anyone help me with a wacom tablet? http://yfrog.com/0kwacomprobg sums up my problem
[04:26] <bjsnider> wrapster, you xorg.conf file please
[04:26] <PingFloyd> jacquesdupontd: is the applet on your panel?
[04:26] <rdg123> I have a problem after using the upgrade feature from 9.04 to 9.10. It will no longer boot and says it cannot mount the volume and goes to some strange prompt..Taget file system doesn't have /sbin/init
[04:26] <PingFloyd> jacquesdupontd: or is it that it is missing?
[04:26] <Subdub> GParted Question: I have a problem with gParted. I want to enlarge my current partition, although when I try, it has pre-determined the maximum size, which I cannot change. I have a 10GB 'unallocated' partition, how do I force it to use this space?
[04:26] <buju> blue1 what should it say after i type that in ?
[04:26] <om26er> Blue1: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nvidia-vdpau/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-et dist-upgrade
[04:26] <borisstrajnar> There is something strange after upgrading to 9.10 wubi in windows 7.............i have to push recover to her boot options windows and ubuntu.....if not,   screen just flickers black but ok i figured it out luckily i you did not:) Now i have another problem. In Firefox i cannot watch flash movies or see flash banners....but in Opera i do.  (And yeah 9.10 is nice:)
[04:26] <Ozzah> BlueJ: Any way to total them up?
[04:26] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, it's on my panel it's working to change the frequency but doesn't take it after reboot
[04:27] <wrapster> bjsnider: http://pastie.org/681068
[04:27] <AOC> can I have a .sh script which sources a single library.sh ??
[04:27] <Blue1> buju: it might give you a scripting error message but it will restart the graphics display manager and give you a login screen
[04:27] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, it's reallly really known problem that was quite easy to fix before but on karmic many things changed
[04:27] <AOC> if so what is this called?
[04:27] <buju> ok
[04:27] <bjsnider> om26er, i'm currently updating that paa, so i'd stay away from it for tonight
[04:27] <buju> thanks
[04:27] <om26er> borisstrajnar: 64bit?
[04:27] <buju> brb
[04:27] <bjsnider> om26er, ppa i mean
[04:27] <bostongeek24> somehow the update manager has disappeared from my system i can no longer see the icon listed under system
[04:27] <PingFloyd> jacquesdupontd: not sure
[04:27] <Ozzah> Blue1: Any way to total them up?
[04:27] <borisstrajnar> yap
[04:27] <AOC> anyone?
[04:27] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, many things like that are boring
[04:27] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, if you think you don't know i have another question you could maybe answer
[04:27] <Pringles> anyone?
[04:28] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, do you use cairo-dock ?
[04:28] <applecore2000> Just want to say been on Linux for 6 hours now and its AWESOME lol
[04:28] <Blue1> Ozzah: I dunno -- I've never doe that with nautilus it's easy
[04:28] <borisstrajnar> om26er yes 64 bit
[04:28] <PingFloyd> jacquesdupontd: nope, haven't use that one
[04:28] <om26er> bjsnider: will it works if he installs
[04:28] <hellyes> HELP! I have an ubuntu machine and a windows 7 machine networked.  I have a shared external drive on the windows 7 machine, but no matter what I do, even though I can see the shared drive, when I try to access that drive from ubuntu a dialogue box with an error comes up: "unable to mount location.....failed to retrieve share list from server".  My windows firewall is turned off too, btw. Does anybody have any ideas?
[04:28] <rsk> applecore2000 soon you will wake up and realise it's a dream
[04:28] <inx-mdg> applecore2000: cool!
[04:28] <Ozzah> Blue1: Yeah, but I'm doing it on a remote computer through ssh - so Nautilus isn't an option
[04:28] <bostongeek24> hello???
[04:28] <bostongeek24> can i get some help??
[04:28] <bjsnider> om26er, i suppose, but the drivers in there are being replaced
[04:29] <om26er> borisstrajnar: 64BIT AND FLASH ARE NOT RALLY GOOD FRIENDS
[04:29] <lstarnes> om26er: you don't need caps
[04:29] <Blue1> Ozzah: df will show you what's in use and what's free for the volume
[04:29] <merma> bostongeek24, no
[04:29] <rsk> needs moar caps
[04:29] <inx-mdg> bostongeek24: jump right in - what's your problem
[04:29] <KB1JWQ> Capslock is cruise control for cool.
[04:29] <om26er> bjsnider: but might solve his problem. and then he can update again
[04:30] <Ozzah> Blue1: I figured it out using du, but still no totalling them up. nevermind, I just used a calculator - only have about 30 subfolders
[04:30] <bostongeek24> somehow the update manger has dissapperd from my system the list is no longer listed
[04:30] <bjsnider> wrapster, nice to see nvidia-xconfig still adds lots of unnecessary stuff
[04:30] <PingFloyd> Ozzah: did you try du -hs
[04:30] <rdg123> I have a problem after using the upgrade feature from 9.04 to 9.10. It will no longer boot and says it cannot mount the volume and goes to some strange prompt..Taget file system doesn't have /sbin/init, does anyone have a way to fix this so that 9.10 will mount and boot?
[04:30] <wrapster> bjsnider: hee hee.. btw could you pls help me setup skype...
[04:30] <Blue1> bostongeek24: did you try a gdm restart?
[04:30] <Ozzah> Any idea how to send a large number of directories recursively from one machine to another via command line? both machines have sftp and ssh
[04:30] <princem> installation complete, time to experience ubuntu
[04:30] <om26er> bostongeek24: sudo apt-get instaal update-manager
[04:30] <Blue1> om26er: that works too1
[04:31] <Ozzah> PingFloyd: Yes, that's what I used, but it gives the total for each folder... not the total for all folders that match the regex.
[04:31] <wrapster> bjsnider: its kinda impeartive that i get it up.. but getting a whole lot of dependency issues... unable to find a work around
[04:31] <om26er> bostongeek24: if already installed go to main menu in appearances and see
[04:31] <Blue1> Ozzah: scp -R <source> <dest>
[04:31] <bostongeek24> whats a gdm restart? and its already install somehow the icon is missing
[04:31] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, for you curiosity : http://www.webupd8.org/2009/10/how-to-disable-disable-cpu-frequency.html
[04:31] <AOC> can I create a procedure in a shell script (.sh)?
[04:31] <om26er> Blue1: what what what
[04:31] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, seems i'm always right it doesn't work anymore on karmic
[04:31] <PingFloyd> Ozzah: throw in -c
[04:31] <Blue1> bostongeek24: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:32] <bostongeek24> what does that do?
[04:32] <bjsnider> wrapster, did you grab the one in medibuntu?
[04:32] <wrapster> bjsnider: no... i had terrible issues with it...
[04:32] <borisstrajnar> om26er: yea i heard that and was sad until 9.10.....now it plays fantastic in opera 10.01 (never before) and not in Firefox or Chrome. They simply do not know how to handle flash files. I have somewhere to copy some shit but i forgot where to....it is not rocket science but funny it is not done once and for all:)
[04:32] <om26er> borisstrajnar: no no
[04:32] <PingFloyd> jacquesdupontd: I think there's a lot of bugs in karmic
[04:32] <jbuncher> Ozzah, could try rsync
[04:32] <Blue1> bostongeek24: gdm is the graphics dispaly manager and what it will do is restart x windows for you and give you a login screen -- that seems to fix a lot of problems for me...
[04:32] <wrapster> bjsnider: i took it from skype website
[04:32] <om26er> borisstrajnar: people use 64bit flash without problem
[04:32] <notfoo> anyone know if ATI fglrx works better in 9.04 than 9.10?
[04:32] <wrapster> but that was for 8.10 and im running 9.04
[04:33] <Ozzah> PingFloyd: so something like scp -Rc * user@domain:/dest
[04:33] <buju> blue1 i'm still getting this message /tmp/.x11-unix has suspicious ownership
[04:33] <PingFloyd> notfoo: worked better in 9.04 for me
[04:33] <hellyes> HELP! I have an ubuntu machine and a windows 7 machine networked.  I have a shared external drive on the windows 7 machine, but no matter what I do, even though I can see the shared drive, when I try to access that drive from ubuntu a dialogue box with an error comes up: "unable to mount location.....failed to retrieve share list from server".  My windows firewall is turned off too, btw. Does anybody have any ideas
[04:33] <PingFloyd> notfoo: in fact, I'm having problems with it in 9.10
[04:33] <notfoo> ya me too PingFloyd
[04:33] <nightfrog> Ozzah, you can use nautilus to login throw ssh
[04:33] <notfoo> i really like 9.10 too
[04:33] <PingFloyd> notfoo: screen will get stuck black when I logout
[04:33] <notfoo> oh well. guess i'll install 9.04 to see if that's any better
[04:33] <MrSchmo> any info on how to fix ubuntu unable to access windows 7 shares. i get Error: Failed to retrieve share list from server.
[04:33] <Ozzah> nightfrog: yes, but it takes forever to tally up the file sizes
[04:34] <Ozzah> nightfrog: which is why I wanted the remote machine to do it for me
[04:34] <PingFloyd> notfoo: end up having to use alt-sysrq combo and reboot
[04:34] <notfoo> PingFloyd: ya. same. i tried EVERY way possible to get it working. nothing.
[04:34] <Blue1> buju whos the owner of that file?
[04:34] <PingFloyd> notfoo: me too
[04:34] <hellyes> MrSchmo: I'm trying to get an answer to the same problem....
[04:34] <jacquesdupontd> PingFloyd, it's not a bug it's a different way to do it, we just have to know how to use it, i was saying the same thing after upgrading to karmic and in fact it's perfect when you know how to use it
[04:34] <buju> me
[04:34] <om26er> notfoo: using nvidia?
[04:34] <PingFloyd> notfoo: I've tried everything imagineable as well, and even the things other people mentioned
[04:34] <notfoo> PingFloyd: i have it running great on 8.04. i guess going to 9.04 will still be a nice upgrade
[04:34] <Blue1> buju: it should be root iirc
[04:34] <notfoo> no ATI.
[04:34] <PingFloyd> notfoo: I think there is a bug with karmic on that
[04:34] <buju> yes
[04:34] <S_A> Hi! in which folder pkg keeps automatically downloaded package files ?
[04:35] <notfoo> om26er: i wish. nvidia working great on 9.10 here at home
[04:35] <notfoo> i run ATI 2400XT at work for dual screens
[04:35] <buju> so how do i fix that
[04:35] <PingFloyd> notfoo: the fglrx driver worked fine for me on 9.04
[04:35] <om26er> notfoo: actually its intel here
[04:35] <Blue1> buju: not 100% fam. with that error but when you get something like that - it's usually a file ownership error
[04:35] <notfoo> PingFloyd: thx
[04:35] <PingFloyd> notfoo: your mileage may vary
[04:35] <om26er> integrated
[04:35] <notfoo> ya it will
[04:35] <PingFloyd> notfoo: definitely not working on 9.10 for me though
[04:35] <Mike_lifeguard> If you have the 64bit iso, can you "somehow" use that to install on a 32bit system?
[04:35] <notfoo> PingFloyd: what card you trying to use in 9.10 ?
[04:35] <buju> yes so how do i fix it
[04:35] <Blue1> Mike_lifeguard: yes
[04:35] <borisstrajnar> om26er: Probably some do...but as said i can use it only in Opera../i have Opera 10.01, Firefox 3.54, and Chrome <IP_ADDRESS>/ Problem with flash only in firefox and chrome
[04:35] <Jinxed-> So i'm running 9.04 (dual booting with vista) can i safetly press this upgrade button and it not wipe all my files?
[04:35] <PingFloyd> notfoo: some people have reported to not have problems with the fglrx driver though
[04:35] <SoniC> jemand da der deutsch kann?
[04:36] <jbuncher> Jinxed-, yes but back up just in case
[04:36] <Mike_lifeguard> Blue1: So what should I do differently in the installer?
[04:36] <notfoo> PingFloyd: ya it's rare at the moment. i've been reading on it past 2 days straight. i hate ATI w/ linux :P