[00:18] <mterry> Laney, did you drop the filtering_out_users patch from accountsservice on purpose?
[03:30]  * Logan_ pokes siretart
[03:30] <Logan_> can we sync libav?
[03:32] <Logan_> our only delta can be dropped
[04:10] <pitti> Good morning
[04:11] <pitti> mapreri: well, it's always office hours somewhere on the world :) (I'm in Germany)
[04:11] <Unit193> Howdy.
[04:11] <pitti> hey Unit193
[04:21] <pitti> xnox: oh BTW, yesterday I figured out the trouble with the py3 AP porting; so once the next autopilot lands in utopic, I'll update shotwell, autopilot-gtk, and ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts to python3
[04:21] <pitti> xnox: I have the patches already more or less, they just need the autopilot3-sandbox-run
[04:30] <Logan_> hey pitti :)
[04:30] <pitti> hey Logan_, how are you?
[04:30] <Logan_> doing well, you?
[04:31] <pitti> quite fine, thanks
[04:50] <pitti> apw: I did the same for linux-exynos5 and also restricted the test to armhf (it will always fail on x86); files are again on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/linux-autopkgtest/
[06:07] <tvoss> pitti, ping
[06:47] <Logan_> doko: FYI, you filed a bunch of dh-autoreconf bugs in Debian twice
[06:47] <Logan_> I'm merging them as I come across them
[07:03] <pitti> tvoss: sorry, missed your ping; hello
[07:03] <tvoss> pitti, hey there :) sorry, forgot what I meant to ask you :)
[07:07] <pitti> tvoss: heh - contentless pings FTL :/
[07:07] <tvoss> pitti, fair
[07:30] <geser> dholbach: Hi, re bug #1320612: it looks like your german locale slipped into the test suite. Based on the failure log I guess it could be fixed by setting the locale to "en_US" (like the previous test) but is it worth an additional Ubuntu delta?
[07:31] <dholbach> geser, hum... wouldn't this affect users of a non-English Debian session as well?
[07:32] <geser> only when running the test-suite I guess
[07:32] <geser> of course I would forward this to Debian or upstream
[07:33] <dholbach> geser, sure... I meant users of a non-English Debian session who are trying to run a build
[07:33] <dholbach> geser, if you want, I can try to build it again locally with LC_ALL=C and see if that works
[07:34] <dholbach> but it sounds like a bug to me to expect en_US in the testsuite
[07:35] <geser> yes, I'll try to fix it and forward it to Debian. Should this block the merge for now?
[07:35] <dholbach> geser, no, I'll do another test build now
[07:35] <dholbach> thanks
[07:38] <dholbach> geser, hum
[07:39] <dholbach> geser, 2ubuntu1 builds fine, 3ubuntu1 won't build, even not with LC_ALL=C
[07:39] <dholbach> ah of course - "Runs the unit test on build (Closes: #727616)" :)
[07:42] <geser> dholbach: hmm, why does my pbuilder have no problem in building this package?
[07:44] <dholbach> I have no idea
[07:46] <geser> I'll try to reproduce this myself and fix the locale issue in the test suite
[07:50] <dholbach> geser, it seems to be the LANG and LANGUAGE environment variables
[08:11] <geser> dholbach: it's already fixed upstream: https://github.com/mitsuhiko/babel/commit/2eb475f835375c1b3b7fefcb7d8aad7047d7fda7
[08:24] <dholbach> geser, great!
[09:05] <Mirv> is there a way to get PPA builders spit out all the changed symbols instead of stopping at the first library?
[09:07] <xnox> Mirv: i think that got implemented  in Debian, not sure if we have that merged yet.
[09:08] <cjwatson> That wouldn't be a property of PPA builders; it's dh_shlibdeps or thereabouts
[09:08] <Mirv> xnox: ok, well good to know
[09:09] <Mirv> yeah, not related to PPA
[09:09] <Mirv> I'll check dh_shlibdeps' current status
[09:09] <cjwatson> Worst case you could pass some permissive -c option to dpkg-gensymbols and then apply logic to the output
[09:09] <Laney> It's in dh_makeshlibs
[09:10] <cjwatson> Er yeah that
[09:10] <Laney> Looks like 9.20140227
[09:10] <Laney> Which we should have in trusty and utopic, going by the versions
[09:11] <xnox> Laney: only utopic, no? trusty is so 2013
[09:11] <Laney> oh yes
[09:11] <Laney> ha, I just saw the 0227 at the end
[09:11] <Laney> s/0//
[09:14] <Mirv> hmm, so it should actually already work but doesn't for me
[09:14] <Mirv> unsurprisingly it was the pkg-kde's Qt developer asking for the feature
[10:52] <cjwatson> lool: looks like that worked for fakeroot, btw
[10:52] <cjwatson> err, echan, but whatever
[11:25] <cjwatson> xnox: Could you merge php5?  php-geoip is waiting for it, and probably anything else that uses dh-php5.
[11:26] <xnox> ack.
[11:27] <cjwatson> ta
[12:18] <Riddell> Elv1313: yo, still need me to look at sflphone?
[12:27] <Riddell> Elv1313: I've uploaded to trusty and utopic, please add a test case to clearly describe how to test for the fix
[13:25] <zbenjamin> cjwatson: ping, can we get a pkcon local_uninstall? I'm writing a debug helper script for the SDK that is going to take a click package, install it , run a hook from it, and uninstall it to leave a clean device
[13:26] <zbenjamin> cjwatson: but i have no root priviledges at that point
[13:26] <cjwatson> zbenjamin: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-appstore-developers/msg00553.html
[13:27] <cjwatson> zbenjamin: "pkcon remove"
[13:27] <zbenjamin> cjwatson: awesomeeee thanke :)
[13:27] <cjwatson> Just note the bit at the end of that mail about the particular form of the argument you need to pass to pkcon remove
[13:29] <zbenjamin> cjwatson: ok so thats packagename;packageversion; ? whats the all? the target arch?
[13:30] <cjwatson> yes
[13:31] <zbenjamin> cjwatson: so if i have a fat package, how would that look like? only armhf for a armhf device?
[13:31] <cjwatson> IIRC it's not checked so you can just always shove "all" in that slot, I think
[13:31] <zbenjamin> ah good i'll try that
[13:32] <cjwatson> I think for a fat package it would strictly be "multi", but whatever
[13:33] <zbenjamin> yeah i can put that in once we are there
[13:34] <cjwatson> strictly it would match the filename, so com.ubuntu.test_1.3_all.click => all
[13:35] <cjwatson> (well, even more strictly it would match what "dpkg-deb -f foo.click Architecture" says)
[13:43] <pitti> vila, ev: writing tests for the debci worker is fun :) (creating 100 requests, 30 workers, killing two thirds of the workers, and making sure that all requests still arrive)
[13:43] <ev> \o/
[13:44] <ev> pitti: next step: test that chaos in production
[13:44] <pitti> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/mpitt/debci.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c03eec
[13:44] <dobey> who can i beg/bribe to accept some SRUs into their respective -proposed pockets?
[13:44] <ev> whoa, ruby?
[13:44] <pitti> ev: well, not quite the next step (still need to implement the swift up/download and the health monitor), but getting closer
[13:45] <ev> heh, indeed
[13:45] <pitti> ev: Antonio wrote some parts of it in ruby (most things are in sh), he's the ruby maintainer
[13:45] <ev> ah
[13:45] <pitti> ev: not that happy, but as long as it's mostly test helpers and RSS generators I can live with it
[13:45] <ev> that's a shame :-P
[13:47] <pitti> ev: but the implementation of the worker is absurdly simple, I really like that AMQP stuff (http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/mpitt/debci.git;a=blob;f=bin/debci-worker)
[13:48] <pitti> the actual core logic is like 3 lines, the rest is just prettyness
[13:48] <ev> nice
[13:53] <Elv1313> Riddell: Hi, thanks. what kind of test do you want? It is an integration problem (in Akonadi), so it is not really possible to create an unit test without re-creating the contact topology that cause the freeze
[13:53] <Elv1313> Maybe I can ask the 2 users that had it to test the new package?
[13:53]  * Laney wows at the number of tests python-defaults has triggered
[13:54] <mterry> Laney, did you drop the filtering_out_users patch from accountsservice on purpose?
[13:57] <Laney> mterry: it's upstream now, no?
[14:00] <Riddell> Elv1313: a manual test is needed "install sflphone and akonadi, start sflphone, check e-mail, notice freeze, repeat with new version, freeze will not occur" that sort of thing
[14:00] <Elv1313> ok
[14:01] <zbenjamin> cjwatson: works perfectly
[14:02] <vila> pitti: nice
[14:02] <mterry> Laney, parts of it, but not the login.defs support
[14:03] <vila> pitti: I'm not sure how you assert how many requests are processed when many are killed though
[14:04] <pitti> vila: if I submit N requests I should get N results, as long as at least one worker is still running
[14:04] <vila> pitti: oh, that's the one or two
[14:04] <pitti> vila: i. e. if a worker dies in the middle of a test, the AMQP request should go back to the queue as it won't get ack'ed
[14:05] <vila> pitti: so worse case you have duplicates ?
[14:05] <pitti> vila: no, the 1 or 2 is how many result directories you get (as the dir gets created when the test starts)
[14:06] <pitti> vila: right, worst case is you get two results, when it crashes after it wrote the "exitcode" file but before ack'ing the request
[14:06] <pitti> vila: I can probably refine that a bit to remove an incomplete result directory (when there's no exit code), still on my list
[14:06] <Elv1313> Riddell: done
[14:07] <cjwatson> zbenjamin: great
[14:08] <vila> pitti: ack
[14:09] <vila> ev: that confirms that we either need to stop using prefetch_count=1 or have the worker commit suicide to fix bug #1320205
[14:09] <Riddell> Elv1313: lovely, now we just need a friendly archive admin to review and accept the trusty SRU, try batting your eyelids at ScottK
[14:09] <Elv1313> thanks
[14:09] <Laney> mterry: that wasn't part of the patch, this is new upstream behaviour
[14:09] <Laney> is it causing a problem?
[14:10] <mterry> Laney, no we used to support login.defs in our patch, but upstream doesn't.  So dropping the patch means dropping support for login.defs
[14:11] <mterry> Laney, (to define a MIN_UID for considering which users are human)
[14:11] <mterry> or UID_MIN, can't remember which way  :)
[14:12] <Laney> sec, just got a phone call
[14:12] <brendand> cjwatson, how is click chroot create supposed to be run?
[14:13] <brendand> cjwatson, click chroot create -a i386 gives option errors
[14:13] <brendand> cjwatson, not particularly helpful ones
[14:14] <cjwatson> click chroot -f ubuntu-sdk-14.04 -a i386 create
[14:14] <cjwatson> order matters (perhaps unhelpfully)
[14:14] <cjwatson> that is, the subcommand name needs to come after the options to the chroot command
[14:15] <cjwatson> (oh and the whole thing needs to run under sudo)
[14:17] <Laney> mterry: okay, the patch added login.defs and went upstream
[14:17] <Laney> mterry: we had that in the previous AS in ubuntu
[14:17] <Laney> and now in this release they've dropped that support
[14:17] <cjwatson> argh, python multiprocessing is basically the worst
[14:18] <mterry> Laney, ah interesting...  do they say why?
[14:18] <Laney> so yes indeed the minimum UID is specified in configure
[14:18] <Laney> but I think it should be okay
[14:18] <cjwatson> agonisingly confusing errors
[14:18] <Laney> mterry: fragile and broken or wording to that effect
[14:18] <Laney> if necessary we could bring it back as a configure option I guess
[14:18] <mterry> Laney, why should it be OK?  The touch images use users at 1000 and 1001 and we were relying on that support to not show them in the greeter
[14:19] <Laney> what were we doing?
[14:19] <Laney> wait
[14:19] <Laney> that has a different login.defs?
[14:21] <mterry> Laney, on Ubuntu Touch images, we set UID_MIN in login.defs to 1002
[14:21] <mterry> Laney, there are radio and system users at 1000 and 1001 used by android
[14:21] <dobey> SRUs are such a pain to do :(
[14:22] <Laney> bah
[14:22] <Laney> mterry: okay I guess we can revert this then :/
[14:22] <Laney> do you want to upload that?
[14:22] <Laney> ba13b59c
[14:23] <mterry> Laney, sure I can do that
[14:23] <Laney> I'll see about making it configurable
[14:24] <pkern> Also a UID_MAX of 60000 is funny, especially if it's compiled into the binary and not overridable.
[14:25] <Laney> the new behaviour doesn't consider a maximum
[14:27] <pkern> Yay.
[14:28] <Laney> and under the old one login.defs was able to override it
[14:28] <Laney> ho hum
[14:46] <ev> vila: can you add that to the bug report? That pitti has confirmed this
[14:51] <pitti> sorry, what did I confirm?
[14:52] <vila> pitti: that killing a worker that is processing a message puts that message back onto the queue so another worker picks it up
[14:52] <pitti> vila: yes, as long as it doesn't get ack'ed yet; isn't that the whole point of it?
[14:53] <vila> pitti: yes, but we thought that *nacking* a message will have the same effect but it doesn't
[14:53] <vila> pitti: the worker has to die
[14:53] <pitti> vila: ah; it sounds like it should, but I haven't played around with that yet
[14:57] <vila> pitti: all your workers are on the same host right ?
[14:57] <pitti> vila: for the test suite, yes (not in production, of course)
[14:57] <vila> pitti: yup, that was the question indeed
[14:58] <pitti> ah, I figured out how to run rabbitmq-server in a test suite as my user
[14:58] <pitti> vila: oh, does that matter?
[14:58] <vila> pitti: not sure, but I can imagine that the behavior may be different when different hosts are involved
[14:59] <pitti> vila: I hope not..
[15:00] <vila> pitti: I mean, at least when thinking about failures, a host dieing with a single worker is not the same as a host dieing with multiple workers :)
[15:00] <pitti> vila: ah, of course; I meant, it's hopefully transparent wrt. queue ack/nack handling
[15:01] <vila> pitti: yes, me too
[15:29] <xnox> slangasek: pitti: what is "fastboot" mode in the boot initscripts?! was that ever supported with mountall?
[15:34] <pitti> xnox: I'm afraid I never heard of it
[15:34] <pitti> xnox: I thought "fast boot" was "upstartification in lucid"
[15:35] <slangasek> xnox: I don't know anything about fastboot as regards initscripts
[15:35] <xnox> ack.
[15:36] <xnox> pitti: slangasek: should the re-introduced scripts actually just be lsb-headers, source init-functions and otherwise empty?
[15:38] <pitti> xnox: I don't think it hurts that much to just take the debian ones, to make merges easier; there's no other waste than a few kB of hard disk, is there?
[15:39]  * pitti needs to run out now, cu tomorrow
[15:47] <xnox> pitti: slangasek: pushed updates to sysvinit merge proposal. And responded to a bunch of comments.
[16:33] <slangasek> xnox: I much prefer the re-introduced scripts be as close as possible to the Debian ones, for future merging
[16:35] <xnox> slangasek: ok.
[17:50] <xnox> is launchpad being sad, or is it me? (code hosting / branch scanning?!)
[18:05] <roadmr> it was a bit slow about an hour ago, took about 10 minutes to produce a diff
[18:06] <bdmurray> mvo: bug 1320683 is surely because of phased updates
[18:07] <bdmurray> mvo: you can see the status of packages phasing at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[18:09] <sarnold> bdmurray: ah, thanks. I'd forgotten about that entirely.
[18:10] <bdmurray> sarnold: no problem
[19:05] <lamont> Riddell: you around by chance?
[19:05] <lamont> or xnox
[19:06] <xnox> lamont: hi!
[19:07] <lamont> I have sflphone questions, and your name is on it
[19:08] <xnox> lamont: only marginally =) go on =)
[19:11] <lamont> it believes in binding to the IP address of the default gateway, rather than the IP address associated with the route to the server... I wish to fix that, and it's a rather large codebase... hoping for a pointer
[19:11] <lamont> s/of/associated with/
[19:12] <lamont> xnox: ^^
[19:12] <lamont> or I an pester msp later
[19:14] <xnox> lamont: wow. definitely beyond what i've done with sflphone.
[19:17] <lamont> xnox: no worries
[19:32] <mterry> pitti, do you know much about how the volume up/down events are handled in Ubuntu Touch?
[19:45] <lamont> xnox: and figured out how to do it, though there is a bug
[19:58] <lamont> xnox: gnome/src/config/accountconfigdialog.c line 1048... help me understand "CONFIG_LOCAL_INTERFACE" there?
[19:59] <lamont> which is more of a dbus question thananything else
[20:03] <xnox> lamont: that does look wrong.
[20:04] <dobey> xnox: can you approve things to go into -proposed for SRUs?
[20:05] <xnox> dobey: no. you want ~ubuntu-sru
[20:05] <xnox> (loop up their team on launchpad to see who is in it)
[20:06] <xnox> lamont: what is account_lookup?
[20:06]  * xnox presume calling into gnome account settings api.
[20:06] <dobey> infinity: can you accept some things to -proposed for me?
[20:06] <xnox> lamont: and i guess you want to make sure CONFIG_PUBLISHED_SAMEAS_LOCAL is false.
[20:07] <dobey> stgraber, slangasek: ^^ or one of you can accept stuff to -proposed for these SRUs for me?
[20:08] <xnox> dobey: it's typically useful to mention which package you are after, and for which of the stable series....
[20:09] <xnox> there 68 unapproved requests at the moment
[20:09] <lamont> xnox: yeah it sure looks like it wants a bug
[20:09] <dobey> ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-storage-protocol for saucy and precise
[20:09] <stgraber> anyway, I'm off till Monday and on a pretty sucky internet so I won't do any queue review until I'm back some place with better connectivity (that may very well be on Monday in Malta)
[20:10] <dobey> stgraber: ok, thanks. didn't know you were away. enjoy
[20:11] <xnox> lamont: so the full line is all withing sflphone configuration of the account (and it's properties).
[20:11] <lamont> ok
[20:11] <xnox> lamont: that's not really stock dbus api or anything, just a bunch of functions that sfphone wraps.
[20:12] <infinity> dobey: I'll have a look.
[20:12] <dobey> infinity: thanks
[20:12] <lamont> xnox: what I want is for it to pick the IP address of the interface I override, and not the default-gateway interface
[20:14] <xnox> lamont: right, that dbus call is defined in ./daemon/src/client/dbus/configurationmanager-introspec.xml
[20:14] <xnox> lamont: which takes you to getAddrFromInterfaceName C++ method
[20:15] <xnox> which is defined as
[20:15] <xnox> return SipTransport::getInterfaceAddrFromName(interface);
[20:16] <xnox> line 107 in ./daemon/src/sip/siptransport.cpp
[20:16] <xnox> lamont: i think you'll need to fix that function ^
[20:17] <xnox> cause that's where it computes the value it uses, in a cryptic way...
[20:17] <xnox> lamont: does that help at all?!
[20:21] <infinity> dobey: Why the en_US.UTF-8 requirement for tests on saucy?
[20:24] <dobey> infinity: becasue some of the cert files have non-ascii names, and the default locale is that weird ANSI thing that only does ascii, which breaks python encode/decode stuff
[20:25] <infinity> dobey: Ahh.  C.UTF-8 would probably do the trick without making you need a langpack build-dep.
[20:25] <infinity> dobey: But I this works too.  *shrug*
[20:25] <infinity> dobey: Was just curious.
[20:26] <dobey> maybe. we were already doing the en_US.UTF-8 bit elsewhere though, so i just copied that
[20:26] <infinity> TÜBİTAK_UEKAE_Kök_Sertifika_Hizmet_Sağlayıcısı_-_Sürüm_3.pem
[20:26] <infinity> Wow.
[20:26] <dobey> yeah
[20:26] <infinity> Kay, explanation accepted. :)
[20:27] <infinity> dobey: The only followup, then, is why not the same patch for precise, in case ca-certs gets updated there with similar consequences?
[20:27] <dobey> i thought i did do the en_US thing on precise too
[20:27] <lamont> xnox: that may help.  C++ may not.
[20:27] <infinity> Not in this upload.  If you did, it was a previous one.
[20:28]  * infinity looks.
[20:28] <xnox> lamont: that function, is pure C by the looks of it thought.
[20:28] <dobey> huh. well, i did it like a month ago, so i don't remember exactly
[20:28] <dobey> if i didn't do it on precise, it was because the tests didn't fail when i did the test build, most likely
[20:29] <infinity> Oh.  precise might not run a testsuite at all.
[20:29] <dobey> oh or that
[20:29] <infinity> It doesn't have the override with ./tun-tests
[20:29] <dobey> precise is quite old, yeah
[20:29] <infinity> So, yeah.
[20:29] <infinity> Alrighty.  Acceptiferating.
[20:29] <dobey> thanks
[20:30] <infinity> dobey: Also, this isn't carte blanche to be annoying, but when you have deadlines like the U1 shutdown in 10 days, bugging people earlier wouldn't be a bad thing.
[20:30] <dobey> infinity: i have been bugging :(
[20:30] <infinity> dobey: Oh.  You should have bugged me.  And maybe included the "hey, there's a deadline" bit.  Oh well.
[20:31] <infinity> dobey: As it stands now, I think I'm going to ask you guys to verify the crap out of those u1-client uploads as best you can, so we can phase them to 100% when we release, and hope they get out to most people ASAP.
[20:31] <lamont> xnox: wondering if maybe that's getting called with DEFAULT_INTERFACE
[20:32] <xnox> lamont: hm. not sure. if you file a bug CC / subscribe me on it. for me to have a look, when i'm bored on a connection flight.
[20:33] <xnox> lamont: cause i'm deep in async upstart code at the moment and hope to get this done before EOW.
[20:35] <infinity> dobey: And poke me personally when it's verified, I think the client one is worthy of an early release if you've tested it well.
[20:35] <lamont> xnox: sure
[20:36] <xnox> lamont: the argument that should be called, should be whatever was stored in the account key, no?!
[20:36] <dobey> infinity: sure
[20:36] <infinity> dobey: Oh, except https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1306225/comments/3 isn't very promising...
[20:37] <dobey> infinity: thanks much
[20:37] <infinity> dobey: Is there no way to get that working at runtime instead of shutdown?
[20:38] <dobey> infinity: yeah, though at this point i'm thinking it's worth it to just release the update anyway, given how close june 1 is. the "not connecting" bit is going to be more important by the time we could get a new upload to fix the notification on precise (i have no idea why the notification is behaving that way on precise. it might be a much larger problem)
[20:38] <dobey> trying to test on saucy right now. just waiting for the archive to get updated so apt will work
[20:38] <lamont> ioctl(13, SIOCGIFADDR, {ifr_name="tun0", ifr_addr={AF_INET, inet_addr("<IP_ADDRESS>")}}) = 0
[20:38] <lamont> hrmpf
[20:39] <xnox> lamont: cheat =) debugging c++ with strace =)))))
[20:39] <lamont> xnox: I was doing thatbefore I looked at the source
[20:39] <lamont> because that's how I roll
[20:39] <xnox> =)))))
[20:39] <xnox> s/roll/troll/ ?!
[20:39] <Riddell> lamont: Elv1313 is the sflphone man, try tracking him down if you have questions
[20:40] <mdeslaur> mvo: can you confirm there's nothing to do with apt in bug 1016643?
[20:40] <mdeslaur> (/me is closing ancient bugs...)
[20:43] <lamont> xnox: and now I can't getit to fail
[20:44] <lamont> Riddell: thanks.  here or deban?
[20:44] <lamont> debian
[20:47] <Riddell> lamont: upstream
[20:50] <lamont> amusingly, I can't actually reproduce the bug
[20:50] <lamont> things do, in fact, seem to work as expected.
[20:51] <dobey> turns out that setting your clock 2 weeks forward really screws up some things
[20:52] <dobey> bah
[21:08] <dobey> what a bother :(
[21:14] <dobey> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1306225/comments/5 doesn't look good :(
[21:15] <infinity> dobey: Is that something you can turn around a quick(ish) fix for?  I'm happy to be responsive and process that one quickly if you can.
[21:16] <dobey> infinity: well, i haven't been able to do so in the ~15 minutes i've been poking at it (trying to get it to exit cleanly anyway). maybe i can if i just try to make it not ever connect, and leave the process running and acting normally like a disconnected client
[21:41] <dobey> infinity: so i managed to make a patch that makes it not connect, but keep the process alive and working otherwise normally, for 13.10, but 12.04 code is a bit different so i'll have to make a different patch for it
[21:42] <infinity> dobey: Alright.  Keep me in the loop.  I'm around most of the evening if you're working late, or tomorrow if not.
[21:43] <infinity> (Need to run out soon to visit a post office and remind myself how to send paper through the air, though.  Weird backward-ass lawyer people)
[21:44] <dobey> infinity: yeah. i need to go now. i'll probably need to finish this up in the morning, so ping me when you hop on-line tomorrow


[02:37] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[03:00] <Omega> Hey Muscovy.
[03:00] <Omega> Sleepy time.
[03:00] <Muscovy> I just finished homework.
[03:00] <Muscovy> Perfect time collision.
[03:01] <Omega> See ya!
[03:01] <Muscovy> See you.


[03:24] <DarkwingDuck> Any hardcore Lubuntu users in here?
[03:25] <DarkwingDuck> Rather, anyone want to talk a bit about LXDE at Ubuntu UserDays?
[03:25] <jmarsden> Lubuntu is a nice poliet family oriented OS, not hardcore :)
[03:25] <DarkwingDuck> ;) But of course. :)
[03:26] <jmarsden> What is Ubuntu Userdays, and what level of talk / topic are you looking for?
[03:26] <DarkwingDuck> An overview of LXDE as a DE. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> It will be a talk about the Alt distros and DEs.
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> So, XFCE, LXDE and KDE
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> I'm doing KDE, pleia2 is doing XFCE
[03:28] <jmarsden> I'd asl phillw or bioterror as likely suspects for that... I might be able to do it, but would probably accidentally get too techie :)
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> I know that feeling LOL
[03:29] <DarkwingDuck> Oh, and congrats (A bit late) of becoming "official"
[03:29] <jmarsden> Thanks :)
[03:30] <jmarsden> Looks like they aren't around right now, ask again in maybe 4 hours, both are in Europe...
[03:30] <DarkwingDuck> 4, that's 0130, I'll try when I get up in the morning. :)
[03:31] <jmarsden> :) OK... or you can try /msg memoserv send to leave them messages, I suppose :)
[03:31] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks Mate. :)
[03:31] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[05:40] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Xsession: unable to launch "Lubuntu" X session --- "Lubuntu" not found; falling back to default session. Ok login to gnome.  Can anyone help me with that ?
[17:12] <ahma> is there a way to put your own command to lxpanel? I mean if you press it it runs a command of your own. Example "gedit"
[17:19] <frankbooth> ahma an application shortcut?
[17:26] <gumus> guys
[17:26] <gumus> come on? what's this community for? You r not replying to anything?
[17:29] <gumus> hello
[17:29] <gumus> is there anyone here?
[17:30] <usr13> Well, sure there is.
[17:30] <usr13> What type of camera is it?  (Make and model would help.)
[17:31] <usr13> Well, I guess gumus was a little bit impatient.
[17:52] <silverarrow> is there a way to make lubuntu show vimeo in gecko ?
[17:52] <silverarrow> or gnome player?
[17:52] <silverarrow> I'm not shore what it uses
[18:04] <usr13> silverarrow: You may be albe to right click somewhere on the videoplayer and get info
[18:05] <usr13> silverarrow: Is it working and playing the videos for you?
[18:06] <silverarrow> i have tried, but nothing appears
[18:06] <silverarrow> it usually does with youtube videos, and there it's adobe flash player
[18:07] <silverarrow> it's a bit weird with vimeo
[18:08] <silverarrow> do you think it might be adobe flash player?
[18:15] <silverarrow> usr13, are you in lubuntu now?
[18:24] <hosoka> hello, is there anyone who know how to partitionate the HD on its best ?
[18:26] <silverarrow> it's best?
[18:26] <silverarrow> using g-parted is often the best
[18:26] <silverarrow> ?
[18:29] <meway> how do I get flash player to work
[18:29] <hosoka> I am at the moment to install Lubuntu 10.04 and there at the installation the installation partioning is manually to do.
[18:30] <silverarrow> I have 11.04
[18:31] <silverarrow> but gparted is identical
[18:31] <hosoka> ok, thanks
[18:31] <silverarrow> hosoka you should be able to make a partition
[18:31] <silverarrow> there he went
[18:36] <silverarrow> anyone in lubuntu now?
[18:37] <silverarrow> could you check what runs vimeo vids?


[02:00] <gevera> hello guys...
[02:00] <gevera> need lil help)) anybody?
[02:01] <arand> Do give details, to simplify helping.
[02:03] <gevera> i have a 64 satelite laptop
[02:03] <gevera> running maverick with gnome
[02:06] <gevera> the most anoyng thing that i cant play the video format files..avi, divx and other ones...the sound is payed but there is no proper video at all..tryied different players..
[02:06] <gevera> i found on forums couple ideas of solving the problem but it didnt work
[02:11] <arand> I don't have much clue on that myself, but a genreic response is: Search LP for the bug, if nonexistant, gather information and report one yourself. Do mention and link to forum resources if they are relevant (since they didn't work, they might probably not be)
[02:13] <gevera> ok...thanks. is there any safe way to downgrade to 10.04  without losing any data and keep all my settings untouched?/
[02:14] <arand> No.
[02:15] <gevera> at least data??
[02:18] <arand> Of course you can backup home, reinstall lucid and then copy it back, but that's not downgrading in my mind, but reinstalling.
[02:18] <arand> Or if you tell the instaler to use current /home but not format it..
[02:21] <gevera> my bad..reinstalling. hope its gonna work..at least solve my problems with maverick
[02:49] <lukehasnoname> Anyone notice Empathy's buddy status icons are monochrome now?
[03:14] <psusi> everyone is seeing the bluetooth and power icons show in the indicator applet when they shouldn't right?  is there a bug filed for it yet?
[03:35] <lukehasnoname> psusi, Ya, I noticed that.
[03:35] <lukehasnoname> Also, the indicator applet and the regular icon panel take up whitespace where icons used to be
[03:35] <lukehasnoname> so they're wider than needed.
[03:36] <psusi> seems to be a regression in the new release of indicator-applet... I installed the previous one from lucid-proposed and it's fixed... going to file a bug unless one already exists
[03:37] <lukehasnoname> psusi, Go ahead. Search for an existing bug first. And if you file one, paste the link here and I'll subscribe to it
[03:38] <lukehasnoname> psusi, do you use empathy?
[03:38] <psusi> lukehasnoname, no
[03:38] <lukehasnoname> k
[05:36] <KukuNut> why is the upgrade today wants to install plasma-netbook and a bunch of games I don't want on my desktop 10.10?
[05:37] <Ian_corne> because they're default maybe?
[05:37] <KukuNut> this is not a netbook
[05:37] <Ian_corne> are you running netbookremix?
[05:37] <KukuNut> this is a big box
[05:47] <KukuNut> ktouch?? why??
[07:04] <ltspadmin> Ltspadmin
[07:04] <ltspadmin> hi
[07:04] <ltspadmin> on thin client machine not getting 1024x768 resolution ubuntu thin client. motherboard is intel 865gvlf and monitor is 500G
[08:05] <Ian_corne> !search eclipse
[08:05] <Ian_corne> good!
[08:05] <Ian_corne> :p
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> guys, what is the default font for the system menus etc please
[08:51] <ActionParsnip> Got it, nm
[09:31] <napster_> me?
[11:37] <vistakiller1> how can i upgrade to maverick with update-manager?
[11:38] <Lazy_> "update-manager -d"
[11:39] <vistakiller1> is not working
[11:39] <vistakiller1> it is work but is not appear the option for upgrade
[11:58] <mvo> vistakiller1: try setting /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades from lts to normal
[11:59] <vistakiller1> ok done it
[11:59] <Ian_corne> wierd, was full-upgrade'ing
[11:59] <vistakiller1> anyone knows to use vi?
[11:59] <Ian_corne> it said it didn't want to install a package which was recommended
[11:59] <Ian_corne> I installed it by hand
[11:59] <Ian_corne> and then upgraded again
[11:59] <Ian_corne> and it didn't have any conflicts..
[12:00] <Ian_corne> what could cause this?
[12:00] <arand> vistakiller1: [i] to insert [esc] to cancel [:wq] to write and quit, [:q!] to quit without writing, that what you're asking?
[12:01] <vistakiller1> i try this
[12:01] <vistakiller1> i choose esc first
[12:01] <vistakiller1> but when i try to press w and after q
[12:01] <arand> mind the [:] as well
[12:01] <vistakiller1> xm
[12:02] <vistakiller1> thanks :D
[12:02] <vistakiller1> i dont see it :P
[12:02] <vistakiller1> thanks a lot because i try to edit a shoutcast radio to my media player machine
[12:23] <dart_> hi...i am getting a flashing white screen on unity interface...how can i solve this???
[12:29] <dart_> is there a way to solve flashing white screen in unity interface?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> what the heck is this Ubuntu One bar doing in nautilus?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> I don't even have U1 client installed
[12:55] <BUGabundo> 31642    59396K   59764K            0K                      100% nautilus
[12:55] <BUGabundo> gotta love e-sata
[13:18] <lucas-arg> hello guys im using kernel 2.6.35 im getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/454421/
[13:22] <lucas-arg> FATAL: Error inserting ramzswap (/lib/modules/2.6.35-5-generic/kernel/drivers/staging/ramzswap/ramzswap.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[13:25] <mooey> why isnt VLC 1.1 in maverick?
[13:26] <mooey> why isnt Nvidia drivers 256 in maverick?
[13:26] <yofel> nvidia 256 should be in maverick soon
[13:26] <mooey> its not there yet
[13:26] <mooey> it better be
[13:26] <mooey> cuz im waiting ,and its not there
[13:26] <yofel> it's in the x-updates ppa if you really need it
[13:26] <mooey> oh
[13:26] <mooey> windows users already have it, but ubuntu not
[13:26] <mooey> ubuntu is always second-class citizens
[13:27] <lucas-arg> is maverick stable enough yet?
[13:27] <mooey> windows always have the latest software
[13:27] <mooey> and ubuntu only have old legacy outdated software
[13:27] <mooey> yeah, maverick is pretty stable (in my VM)
[13:27] <yofel> mooey: that's not the place to discuss this
[13:27] <arand> If you need it, package and compile it yourself, the option is always there.
[13:28] <mooey> in windows i never need compile anything myself, why in ubuntu you need compile things yourself? always second-class citizen
[13:28] <yofel> vlc 1.1 isn't even in debian unstable yet, and I don't think we package that ourselves
[13:28] <mooey> well you should have some boys that can do packaging so you dont have to rely on the hard work of debian
[13:28] <yofel> mooey: ask nvidia why they don't supply a .deb package? Their installer is overly forceful and can't be cleanly removed
[13:28] <arand> mooey: I know Philip5 has it in a PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/extra
[13:29] <mooey> arand, thanks
[13:29] <Pici> !appeals > mooey
[14:59] <arand> Hurm, whereabout are the daily alternate CDs hiding?
[15:00] <arand> Seems like there are none on cdimage..
[15:01] <bazhang> arand, only see the amd64 and i386
[15:01] <bazhang> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:02] <arand> Yea, tha's the live one's I'm after the d-i:s
[15:02] <bazhang> not for the past two days it seems
[15:02] <arand> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ Is completely empty :(
[15:03] <bazhang> 6/23 and 6/24
[15:05] <arand> And 22 is gone, meep, was just about to take btrfs for a spin :(
[15:05] <BUGabundo> get the DVD
[15:05] <BUGabundo> it has alternate
[15:09] <arand> DVD was rolled the day before btrfs support was added, it's not possible to update d-i before installing is it?
[15:14] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:14] <BUGabundo> it should be
[15:14] <BUGabundo> I used to did that before I get dailies
[16:33] <sebsebseb> Hi
[17:32] <zniavre> http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2590/capture22.png > im not sure to like this new nautilus/ubuntuOne feature
[17:33] <Pici> I'd like to see a 'stop bugging me' button.
[17:52] <sebsebseb> zniavre: Won't effect me :)  I don't use Ubuntu One :)
[18:05] <BUGabundoWriting> ahhh
[18:05] <BUGabundoWriting> I get that too
[18:05] <BUGabundoWriting> I'm FOOO
[18:05] <BUGabundoWriting> I don't even have u1 client
[18:10] <patdk-wk> heh, I have never seen it bug me
[18:11] <patdk-wk> and mine is disabled and never use it
[18:11] <BUGabundoWriting> started today
[18:11] <patdk-wk> hmm
[18:13] <sebsebseb> BUGabundoWriting: oh so the message will come up saying Ubuntu One is disabled
[18:13] <sebsebseb> even for people who aren't using it?
[18:13] <BUGabundoWriting> yeap
[18:13] <BUGabundoWriting> yep
[18:13] <sebsebseb> heh
[18:13] <BUGabundoWriting> I never EVER used it
[18:13] <sebsebseb> Nince one Ubuntu :D
[18:13] <sebsebseb> BUGabundoWriting: same here
[18:14] <BUGabundoWriting> :(
[18:14] <BUGabundoWriting> mind fileing it?
[18:14]  * sebsebseb might have to update the vm, just to get the error :D
[18:14]  * patdk-wk boots maverick to test :)
[18:14] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: for Ubuntu One message?
[18:14] <patdk-wk> ya
[18:14] <sebsebseb> I guess i'll need to install all the updates first though, before  getting such a message
[18:14] <BUGabundoWriting> what do you need?
[18:15] <sebsebseb> BUGabundoWriting: What does who need?
[18:15] <BUGabundoWriting> no idea
[18:15]  * BUGabundoWriting is lost
[18:15] <patdk-wk> heh, 91 packages to upgrade
[18:20] <vish> BUGabundo-Writing what? ;)
[18:20] <BUGabundoWriting> what what?
[18:20] <coz_> hey guys
[18:20] <vish> BUGabundo is Writing what?
[18:20] <vish> ;p
[18:20] <BUGabundoWriting> an android article for our site
[18:20] <vish> ooh
[18:21] <sebsebseb> So who will do btrfs in the final?  :D
[18:21] <BUGabundoWriting> lol
[18:21] <vish> sebsebseb: will do?  well , you can do now itself ;)
[18:21] <sebsebseb> vish: I know it can be done now
[18:21] <sebsebseb> ,but
[18:22] <vish> butter
[18:22] <vish> butterest ;p
[18:22]  * sebsebseb may never put Ubuntu on this computer ever again, don't know yet
[18:22]  * sebsebseb wonders how long it will be on other for
[18:22] <sebsebseb> anyway
[18:22] <patdk-wk> heh?
[18:22] <sebsebseb> vm testing of 10.10
[18:22] <patdk-wk> what you using these days?
[18:23] <sebsebseb> so yeah when I do a alpha 2  vm, i'll do btrfs however
[18:23] <vish> sebsebseb: ah , i forget that you use arch[?] right ? and like trolling Ubuntu people ;p
[18:23] <sebsebseb> vish: no I don't use Arch
[18:23] <patdk-wk> heh, ubuntuone client upgraded :)
[18:24] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: Mandriva at the moment,  not 100% happy with it, but fine for my computer useage like pretty much any Desktop Linux distro nearly.  Also  the Plymouth boot is great, works properly and all, unlike Plymouth on other computer :(
[18:24] <BUGabundoWriting> be afraid
[18:24] <BUGabundoWriting> VERY afraind
[18:24] <patdk-wk> there it is, ubuntu one ad displayed :)
[18:24] <sebsebseb> propritary driver or not for nivida, and Plymouth is far from perfect on there
[18:24] <BUGabundoWriting> :(
[18:24] <Ian_corne> BUGabundoWriting: what site?
[18:24] <patdk-wk> hmm, I had very bad stuff from mandriva
[18:24] <BUGabundoWriting> Ian_corne: androidpt.com
[18:24]  * sebsebseb wonders if  Plymouth will be better in 10.10
[18:25] <vish> sebsebseb: why wondering? are you going to be installing Ubuntu 10.10? ;)
[18:25] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: I might go PC Linux OS in the next year or so,  or  try and install Fedora again or something.  don't know yet,  I mean on this computer
[18:25] <sebsebseb> vish: the other computer will have 10.10 if its good enough
[18:25] <sebsebseb> if not it will stay 10.04 for now
[18:26] <sebsebseb> and 10.04 on there is also set up to look like before :)  yes some of us actsaully like the old human clear looks brown theme the one before 9.10
[18:26] <sebsebseb> with Gnome icons :)
[18:26] <vish> sebsebseb: oh , well , lets keep this channel for 10.10 discussion , seems more of off-topic to discuss fedora/mandriva there
[18:26] <sebsebseb> and shut down and log out in the system menu,  and automatic shut down feature after a minute, once telling it to shut down, and that kind of thing :)
[18:26] <vish> s/there/here*
[18:26] <sebsebseb> vish: I only mentioned that since I was asked what I was using
[18:26] <patdk-wk> sebsebseb, when I upgraded, it kept my look, and didn't change mine at all :)
[18:27] <sebsebseb> anyway from what I know about 10.10 so far,  I don't think it will be for me that much.  However thats great that it will have a even better installer, well from what I read anyway.
[18:28] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: when I upgraded it moved the icons in the human theme to the left in that odd order as well, but then just apply the theme again, and problem solved :D
[18:29] <patdk-wk> never had that issue
[18:29] <patdk-wk> but I wasn't using the human theme, I have long ago customed it
[18:29] <htorque> does https://launchpad.net/builders/ work for you? tried it the last two days but i always get oopses
[18:30] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: yeah well I don't want to customize much if at all really,  I like good defaults, had that no problem before 10.04, and oh I know 10.10 will come with more stuff that I won't like.  so more stuff to remove :(
[18:30] <sebsebseb> above no problem, except for  how I had to remove  the edited fusa,  but other then that yeah
[18:30] <patdk-wk> hmm, that ubuntuone bar is annoying, and don't see any way to remove it (but then this is the ubuntu+1 channel hmm)
[18:31] <sebsebseb> actsually  I ended up using blubuntu for GDM before  9.10, and then with 9.10 and 10.04 I use KDM instead :)  and  I guess it will be like that for 10.10 as well,  since  GDM 2 really does suck in Ubuntu
[18:31] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: i'll get the updates
[18:32] <sebsebseb> and I guess its just a bug
[18:32] <sebsebseb> and will disappear soon
[18:32] <sebsebseb> when theres a fix
[18:32]  * patdk-wk isn't fond of gdm, and using mutlible screens really confuses it (expecially if one isn't on or connected)
[18:32] <patdk-wk> it just randomly sometimes displays on my laptops extra screen port, instead of the main laptop screen
[18:33] <BUGabundoWriting> sooooooooooo
[18:33] <patdk-wk> but I do like gnome, and can't stand kde
[18:33] <BUGabundoWriting> anyone reporting the U1 bug?
[18:33] <BUGabundoWriting> I know its gonna be tagged it's a Feature not a bug
[18:33] <patdk-wk> but this is u1 channel :)
[18:33] <BUGabundoWriting> but I DON'T WANT IT THERE
[18:33] <BUGabundoWriting> no
[18:33] <BUGabundoWriting> this is you+1
[18:33] <patdk-wk> heh
[18:33] <BUGabundoWriting> *u+1
[18:33] <BUGabundoWriting> #ubuntuone is another thing
[18:33] <patdk-wk> I know, just playing
[18:33] <sebsebseb> and Plymouth in 10.04 is like  alpha/beta software, for loads of us with propritary Nivida or ATI cards, but even when I don't hae the propritary Nivida driver installed, its not always how it should be.   Shame Plymouth is half baked or whatever in 10.04.  Plymouth is awesome in Mandriva, but I never did with the propritary driver.  Anyway nice grpahical boot up or hit esc for the verbose/text mode :)
[18:34]  * sebsebseb hopes Plymouth will be better in 10.10  for people with propritary drivers or otherwise
[18:34] <patdk-wk> sebsebseb, I just uninstalled plymouth from all my machines
[18:34] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: yes I done that
[18:34] <sebsebseb> I got the text boot, but
[18:34] <BUGabundoWriting> sebsebseb: dude you are soooo anoying :S
[18:35] <patdk-wk> bug, but he wants windows, where it's all done for him :)
[18:35] <sebsebseb> well  text boot instead of plymouth theme is ugly, like  how Grub 2 is ugly by default as well
[18:35] <sebsebseb> very black
[18:35]  * arand never had much problem with plymouth...
[18:35] <sebsebseb> since monitors are black
[18:36] <patdk-wk> I could care less about pretty or ugly, I just need to see the messages scroll, without getting wiped off the screen
[18:36] <patdk-wk> and plymouth doing screen clears annoy me when attempting to find issues
[18:36] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: Desktop Linux as my primary OS  since 2004, and yes a bit before first version of Ubuntu.  So Windows no thanks!
[18:36] <arand> And once upon a time I used tom mind not having boot messages, I don't anymore..
[18:37] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: yeah when it boots up,  it will say stuff on the screen,   but it won't be there for long
[18:37] <patdk-wk> arand, I mind, but then, I'm running it on 40 some servers and several workstation
[18:37] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: without plymouth theme and such
[18:38] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: Plymouth is in the server edition as well?
[18:38] <patdk-wk> yep
[18:38] <sebsebseb> wow that sucks
[18:38] <sebsebseb> however
[18:38] <sebsebseb> people on the server edition won't be installing propritary Nivida or ATI  drivers
[18:38] <sebsebseb> or not normally anyway
[18:38] <patdk-wk> been using linux since 1994
[18:38] <patdk-wk> using it for a workstation back then wasn't fun
[18:39] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: yeah  back then, people would have to really know what  they are doing with it
[18:39] <patdk-wk> most servers have ati video cards built into the motherboard
[18:41] <sebsebseb> patdk-wk: Anyway as much as Canonical would like companies to use the server edition and even pay for support,  business is more likely to use,  Debian,  CentOS, or even Redhat I guess
[18:41] <patdk-wk> one business I do uses redhat
[18:41] <patdk-wk> I would never use centos
[18:42] <patdk-wk> and the customers are hating redhat, way too long between updates
[18:42]  * sebsebseb thinks 10.10 will be much more of a netbook OS  and well yeah Ubuntu Light OS as well,  than a desktop or server OS,  from what knows about so far
[18:42] <patdk-wk> everyone is mainly complaining that php is way to old to run their websitesw
[18:43] <patdk-wk> I've also had nothing but issues with redhats subscription yum servers or whatever they are
[18:43] <BUGabundoWriting> ehe
[18:43] <BUGabundoWriting> !offtopic ?
[18:43] <patdk-wk> hehe
[18:43] <patdk-wk> bug, don't want the channel to go to waste :)
[18:44] <patdk-wk> did you open a bug?
[18:45] <Pici> !ot
[19:07] <rsajdok>  /ignore #jakilinux all -public -actions
[19:07] <BUGabundoWriting> ?
[19:14] <ZykoticK9> any ideas on gnome-shell not starting, getting output about mutter-warning API mismatch for libgnome-shell.so http://paste.ubuntu.com/454612/
[20:59] <DrHalan> does anyone else have an ubuntu one bar at the top?
[20:59] <BUGabundoWriting> !info SUNBIRD
[20:59] <patdk-wk> everyone does :)
[21:00] <DrHalan> lol
[21:00] <BUGabundoWriting> *everyone* that did todays updates
[21:00] <patdk-wk> well, as of 5hours ago :)
[21:00] <zniavre> nice they made indicator-network
[21:01] <BUGabundoWriting> patdk-wk: I got it at 7am GMT
[21:01] <patdk-wk> hmm
[21:02] <BUGabundoWriting> zniavre: don't look now, but *they* also broke the one in pavucontrol
[21:02]  * BUGabundoWriting should have reported that 4 weeks ago
[21:02] <patdk-wk> it said the package was updated 2.5hours before we started complaining today about it :)
[21:05] <BUGa_LegendSeker> then it's new
[21:12] <DrHalan> indicator-network is using ConnMan right?
[21:12] <jcastro> yes
[21:13] <DrHalan> mh Network Manager is still nicer imo
[21:21] <jcastro> DrHalan: some new network-indicator stuff should be building right around now
[21:21] <jcastro> but yeah
[21:24]  * BUGa_LegendSeker files the paman bug
[21:25] <BUGa_LegendSeker> hey look.... ubuntu-bug has package name autocomplete
[21:25] <BUGa_LegendSeker> NICE
[21:26] <gnomefreak> yeah IIRC there is a bug on that, doesnt work well or something like that
[21:26] <BUGa_LegendSeker> [118982.950070] ata6: reset failed (errno=-11), retrying in 4 secs
[21:26] <BUGa_LegendSeker> erk
[21:26] <BUGa_LegendSeker> I hate this kernel :(
[21:26] <BUGa_LegendSeker> gnomefreak: WFM
[21:27] <gnomefreak> BUGa_LegendSeker: i havent tried it and it was per package as i recall
[21:28] <BUGa_LegendSeker> [119027.142536] ata6: softreset failed (device not ready)
[21:28] <BUGa_LegendSeker> [119027.142544] ata6: reset failed, giving up
[21:28] <BUGa_LegendSeker> stupid disk/kernel
[21:28] <BUGa_LegendSeker> wake up
[21:30] <gnomefreak> did we ever get a UI to change grub splash?
[21:32] <arand> I guess there are tools out there, but as far as ubuntu goes, if anything it would be hardcoded ;)
[21:33] <gnomefreak> arand: well last i remember i had to do it by hand but since have forgotten how to
[21:34] <BUGa_LegendSeker> can anyone confirm please https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pavucontrol/+bug/598260
[21:34] <arand> That's just some hacking in /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme though
[21:34] <DrHalan> jcastro: wow can you tell me when its uploaded?
[21:35] <jcastro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-June/002301.html
[21:35] <jcastro> it's uploaded just not built
[21:35] <jcastro> click on the launchpad link
[21:36] <jcastro> and it'll show you if it's built for your arch yet
[21:36] <jcastro> DrHalan: whoops, that's for sound, wrong indicator, one sec
[21:36] <arand> gnomefreak: Dunno if http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Splashimages.html still applies
[21:36] <gnomefreak> arand: thanks
[21:36] <jcastro> DrHalan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-June/002301.html
[21:36] <gnomefreak> maybe ubutu tweak
[21:37] <DrHalan> jcastro: thats again for sound. thanks anyways. didn't realize they changed something about indicator-sound
[21:38] <DrHalan> but i dont really get this i have so much space in my top bar why do the put everyhing in submenus?...
[21:39] <jcastro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-June/002288.html
[21:39] <jcastro> DrHalan: sorry, paste fail
[21:40] <DrHalan> cool thanks
[21:40] <DrHalan> pidgin doesn't communicate with connmanager though...
[21:42] <gnomefreak> arand: found it it is called startupmanager
[21:43] <gnomefreak> i remembered :)
[21:53] <BUGabundo> forced to reboot to fix a pluged disk :(
[21:53] <BUGabundo> the SHAME
[21:54] <BUGabundo> at least it fixed gwibber/desktopchouch
[21:57] <patdk-wk> couldn't hotswap the disk?
[21:59] <BUGabundo> e-sata
[22:02] <BUGabundo> erk
[22:02] <BUGabundo> so now I can't even mount it via CLI?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> what the heck is happening with todays updates?
[22:02] <Ian_corne> they be roaring
[22:07] <BUGabundo> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[22:07] <BUGabundo> great
[22:07] <BUGabundo> the disk is dieing?
[22:08] <patdk-wk> e-sata should be hotswap
[22:08] <patdk-wk> unless your using a crappy chipset :)
[22:09] <patdk-wk> hell, I hotswap esata and normal sata without issues on my system
[22:09] <patdk-wk> ich10 based
[22:09] <BUGabundo> unplug, plug
[22:09] <BUGabundo> seems fine now
[22:09] <BUGabundo> a$ dmesg  | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/454679/
[22:10] <BUGabundo> [  724.427985] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled error code
[22:10] <BUGabundo> [  724.427988] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK
[22:10] <BUGabundo> [  724.427992] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 3f 00 00 08 00
[22:10] <BUGabundo> [  724.428001] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 63
[22:10] <BUGabundo> a bunch of this
[22:12] <patdk-wk> is it suppost to be 150? or 300? sata
[22:12] <patdk-wk> wonder if the cable or contacts are bad
[22:13] <BUGabundo> could that be it?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> [ 1037.980259] EXT2-fs (sdb1): warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
[22:13] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:13] <patdk-wk> if the drive supports 300, yes, and there are no jumpers on it
[22:14] <BUGabundo> guess I need to check it
[22:14] <patdk-wk> I don't have any drives that do 150, well, I never did
[22:15] <patdk-wk> I have computers that only do 150, so you have to jump the drive to force it to 150 mode
[22:16] <BUGabundo> ill check for the jumpers when I turn it off
[22:17] <BUGabundo> erk
[22:17] <BUGabundo> can't umount it
[22:17] <patdk-wk> fun
[22:17] <BUGabundo> nvm
[22:17] <BUGabundo> console in one of them
[22:17] <BUGabundo> wdtvdisk contains a file system with errors, check forced.
[22:18] <patdk-wk> I was so happy I got a crapload of fibre disks and shelf to play with
[22:18] <patdk-wk> and they are as slow as scsi
[22:18] <patdk-wk> fibre channel just doesn't impress me at all
[22:18] <BUGabundo> I max this one out
[22:18] <BUGabundo> at around 50MB/s  writes
[22:18] <BUGabundo> the laptop is slower at 5400RPMs
[22:19] <patdk-wk> my sata do 130MB/s writes
[22:19] <patdk-wk> at 7200rpm
[22:19] <patdk-wk> but I mainly go for iops
[22:19] <BUGabundo> Maverick kernel kills my IO
[22:19] <BUGabundo> we had such a nice sheduller in lucid
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I could do 55MB/s and still access my laptop
[22:19] <BUGabundo> now, I'm killed by IO
[22:19] <BUGabundo> darn Baricades on ext4
[22:22] <patdk-wk> switch to btrfs :)
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I'm waiting to try it
[22:23] <patdk-wk> I should try it now
[22:23] <patdk-wk> been meaning to, just haven't gotten to it
[22:23] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:23] <BUGabundo> me too
[22:27] <BUGabundo> jpds: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[22:27] <BUGabundo> Forbidden
[22:29] <jpds> Nice.
[22:30] <Ian_corne> :p
[22:32] <patdk-wk> the normal cd images work
[22:32] <DrHalan> i don't really get the sense of replaceing the gnome-clock with the indicator clock
[22:32] <gnomefreak> guys http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20100615/
[22:33] <patdk-wk> gnomefreak, so old :)
[22:33] <gnomefreak> its forbidden im assuming lack of daily. im assuming it has the same to do with the daily alt installer not being published
[22:33] <gnomefreak> why are you looking for lucid?
[22:34] <gnomefreak> maybe that is why
[22:34] <patdk-wk> why would we be looking for lucid?
[22:34] <gnomefreak> patdk-wk: look at the link you will see meercat at top and lucid images
[22:34] <patdk-wk> ya
[22:34] <gnomefreak> they are all related not being published
[22:34] <patdk-wk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:34] <patdk-wk> that is what I'm getting
[22:35] <gnomefreak> yeah it works but the alt goes days without being published they come back for a day then they are not published again for a few days
[22:36] <gnomefreak> when the alts are published they are too big IIRC its 704mb
[22:36] <patdk-wk> don't really care how big
[22:37] <gnomefreak> just reember use a dvd to burn it on to :)
[22:37] <patdk-wk> not going to burn it :)
[22:37] <gnomefreak> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:37] <patdk-wk> would be a complete waste of money :)
[22:37] <BUGabundo> you burn media?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> I boot from grub, or VMs or usb
[22:38]  * gnomefreak likes a simple setup doul boot cd/dvd for ISOs
[22:38] <gnomefreak> dual
[22:39] <patdk-wk> have have octo-boot usb sticks
[22:39] <gnomefreak> be back i think im going to make this a bit faster since it is late
[22:41] <jpds> BUGabundo: The person to ask about that 403 is cjwatson.
[22:44] <BUGabundo> [2394:7341:2488680446:ERROR:media/audio/linux/alsa_output.cc(818)] Failed querying delay: Input/output error
[22:44] <BUGabundo> gwibber now tries to play a sound!??
[22:44] <patdk-wk> gwibber is lonely
[22:45] <patdk-wk> hmm, cd is no good
[22:45] <patdk-wk> no btrfs on it
[22:46] <patdk-wk> hmm, I can install deb's on the live cd, nice, never tried that before
[22:46] <patdk-wk> I knew you could on the usb version
[22:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:47] <BUGabundo> it stays in mem
[22:47] <Ian_corne> it just puts it in your ram
[22:47] <Ian_corne> yeah :p
[22:47] <patdk-wk> ya, I just never needed to before
[22:47] <Ian_corne> I've had a friend who was 'smart' enough to backup his files to his live cd
[22:47] <BUGabundo> I did it a lot
[22:47] <BUGabundo> even from old LTSs
[22:47] <Ian_corne> obviously he ran out of memory :p
[22:47] <BUGabundo> did ram upgrades to point release before install
[22:48]  * patdk-wk watchs brtfs go (boring, no progress bar)
[22:48] <BUGabundo> ohh
[22:48] <BUGabundo> you are REALLY doing it
[22:48] <patdk-wk> yep
[22:48] <BUGabundo> I have no extra media :(
[22:48] <BUGabundo> so can't put it anywhere
[22:49] <BUGabundo> need to get a new 2T disk
[22:49] <BUGabundo> copy all stuff
[22:49] <BUGabundo> and redo partitions
[22:49] <patdk-wk> heh, backups, who needs it :)
[22:49] <patdk-wk> it's my maverick test system
[22:49] <BUGabundo> email me one of those extra disks of yours
[22:49] <patdk-wk> there is nothing useful on it
[22:49] <BUGabundo> my test maverick, its my MAIN system
[22:49] <patdk-wk> I just use it for random things, like firefox and stuff
[22:50] <BUGabundo> wdtvdisk: ********** WARNING: Filesystem still has errors **********
[22:50] <BUGabundo> this is great :(
[22:50] <patdk-wk> conversion complete
[22:50] <BUGabundo> oh man
[22:50] <BUGabundo> you are doing a live conversion?!!?!
[22:50] <BUGabundo> wow
[22:51]  * patdk-wk wonders what UUID I use
[22:51] <patdk-wk> main or sub
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ?
[22:52] <BUGabundo>   PID     RDDSK    WRDSK  WRDSK_CANCEL                       DSK CMD     1/2
[22:52] <BUGabundo>  8326     4524K       0K            0K                       68% fsck.ext2
[22:52] <BUGabundo>  6690        0K     904K            0K                       14% zsync
[22:52] <BUGabundo>  6712        0K     672K            0K                       10% zsync
[22:52] <BUGabundo> no wonder the laptop is crawling
[23:01] <patdk-wk> maybe I should of made sure my initrd file had btrfs module in it first :)
[23:02] <patdk-wk> oh it does
[23:02] <patdk-wk> I wonder what is wrong then
[23:07] <patdk-wk> some issue with libcrc32c.ko
[23:08] <patdk-wk> Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[23:09] <patdk-wk> and dmesg doesn't say anything :)
[23:10] <BUGabundo> wdtvdisk: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
[23:10] <BUGabundo> lovelly
[23:10] <DrHalan> wow btrfs has integrated backups/snapshots?
[23:10]  * BUGabundo throws disk at the wall
[23:10] <patdk-wk> ya, it never overwrites the sector
[23:10] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: yes
[23:10] <BUGabundo> that's its main point
[23:10] <patdk-wk> but writes to a new sector :)
[23:11] <patdk-wk> should also make ssd wear leveling very nice :)
[23:11] <DrHalan> yeah
[23:11] <DrHalan> well the main reason for me to make backups is teh fear that my harddisk could fail. btrfs doesnt help there
[23:11] <patdk-wk> raid6 :)
[23:12] <BUGabundo> raid10
[23:12] <BUGabundo> or 1+0
[23:12] <patdk-wk> waste of drives
[23:12] <DrHalan> i have raid0 here combined with an external hd that i back up to with backintime
[23:12] <patdk-wk> any you can't loose any 2
[23:12] <DrHalan> works nice :9
[23:13] <patdk-wk> if you need max speed raid10 is nice, if you just want safety, raid6
[23:14] <DrHalan> well g2g. have fun guys!
[23:16] <patdk-wk> ya, crc32c module is missing
[23:16] <patdk-wk><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:16] <patdk-wk> and it should of been fixed 18months ago :(
[23:16] <patdk-wk> oh well
[23:17] <BUGabundo> ahahaa
[23:19] <patdk-wk> added crc32c to inittab, and it kindof boots
[23:19] <patdk-wk> well it booted, but something going on
[23:21] <patdk-wk> mounted root readonly
[23:21] <patdk-wk> and I can't change it :(
[23:24] <patdk-wk> hehe, that made it work, removed the ro option from grub's linux kernel line
[23:25] <patdk-wk> /dev/disk/by-uuid/1704f1ff-0a08-4f66-a6b9-469439ab602b / btrfs rw,relatime 0 0
[23:25] <patdk-wk> /dev/sda1 /boot ext4 rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
[23:47]  * patdk-wk wants to see a ubuntu desktop user convert to btrfs now :)
[23:47]  * Ian_corne might
[23:48] <Ian_corne> latest benchmarks show good things
[23:48] <Ian_corne> altho I'm not to sure about the compression thing
[23:54] <BUGabundo> wdtvdisk: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****
[23:54] <BUGabundo> yay
[23:54] <BUGabundo> disc lives


[07:44] <seb128> bryce, hey, did you see my php-xmlrpc question on ubuntu-devel@lists ?
[07:52] <seb128> I still don't understand how the i386 whitelist works exactly :/
[07:52] <Unit193> Voodoo and other dark magic.
[07:52] <seb128> why did libvirt-glib start building on i386 in impish? it's not listed on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/impish/i386-whitelist
[07:52] <seb128> also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit2gtk/2.32.1-1ubuntu1/+build/21562277
[07:53] <seb128> webkit now depends on libmanette so that one should start building on i386, what's the magic to make it do so?
[08:01] <cpaelzer> seb128: I also don't see why and think it is odd; the one remotely related change that I see is that it got a Arch:all package added, but I thought that shouldn't be enough to make it pass without whitelist
[08:02] <seb128> cpaelzer, right, the main reason I'm asking is because i386 autopkgtests are failing which is blocking the update
[08:03] <cpaelzer> it also isn't in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/i386.impish/i386+build-depends
[08:03] <seb128> unsure what's the right way to resolve
[08:03] <seb128> I could hint the i386 tests but still I would like to understand how the i386 is working exactly, is that documented somewhere?
[08:03] <cpaelzer> I guess it comes down to ask vor_lon and document whatever you learn at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/i386 afterwards ?
[08:04] <seb128> right, that page points to https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/i386.impish/i386+build-depends
[08:04] <seb128> but libvirt-glib isn't listed in there
[08:05] <cpaelzer> yes, I said that above
[08:05] <seb128> vorlon, ^ could you help me understanding what trigger libvirt-glib to start building on i386?
[08:05] <seb128> triggered
[08:05] <seb128> cpaelzer, thanks for the replies!
[08:10] <Laney> seb128: it's not that it started building, you can see that it didn't by looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt-glib/4.0.0-1
[08:10] <Laney> it got an arch:all package
[08:11] <Laney> needs to be hinted, let me add that
[08:15] <cpaelzer> oh it is only tests
[08:15] <cpaelzer> that at least makes some sense then
[08:19] <seb128> Laney, oh thanks, I don't understand the logic that a arch all data binary makes it start being tested on an arch it isn't built for though?
[08:21] <Laney> arch:all binaries are architecture independent, it makes some sense if you think of it like that
[08:22] <seb128> hum
[08:22] <seb128> but that is translations only, how could that ever work?
[08:22] <Laney> proposed-migration doesn't know what it is
[08:22] <seb128> you probably want an actually binary or lib for a test to work
[08:22] <Laney> or the contents of the package
[08:22] <Laney> if we had the test-depends availble we could check instalalbility or something, but we don't
[08:23] <cpaelzer> and so my hint that an arch:all was added turned out to really be the root cause - thanks for the explanation Laney
[08:23] <seb128> I see, so basically any package not built on i386 but with an arch all binary needs to be hinted
[08:23] <Laney> check the hints, we have looooooooooooooads of these already!
[08:24] <seb128> alright
[08:24] <seb128> another reason which makes me think the partial i386 archive thing is more work than it should be
[08:24] <seb128> but I guess that's another topic and we are stucked dealing with those issues for now :/
[08:24] <seb128> Laney, thanks!
[08:24] <seb128> cpaelzer, thanks as well ;-)
[08:44] <Laney> seb128: for the webkit one, I think you need to add it to the script (hardcoding) temporarily, then once it's built it can be dropped as germinate will keep it then
[08:53] <seb128> Laney, thanks, let me try if I can figure that out
[08:57] <Laney> see previous commits, there's lots of examples of it
[09:06] <seb128> bah, update-i386-whitelist wants to add a stack of nvidia drivers, I'm not going to be the one to ack those changes
[09:06] <seb128> but at least it's commited for whoever is doing a refresh
[09:09] <Laney> hack out that code block imho
[09:09] <Laney> or commit it 🤠
[09:09]  * Laney invokes apw
[09:09] <apw> ?
[09:10] <apw> seb128, is that wanting to add like all the numbers up to 1000 ?
[09:10] <apw> seb128, those get intersected with reality of what exists so you are in theory adding none.
[09:11] <apw> seb128, i do wish it did the intersection before telling you about it.
[09:11] <apw> seb128, so i am happy that all and any nvidia drivers that exist should end up on the whitelist, and ack that in that sense.
[09:11] <seb128> apw, yes, seems that's what it is doing
[09:12] <apw> seb128, it is ... challenging to look at for sure.  but if you do run it, then dump the resulting packageset it only contains drivers which are in the archive
[09:12] <seb128> I've no idea how that intersection works though and no confidence it's really not going to screw up things from the output it's giving me
[09:12] <seb128> apw, could you please do it and check it is doing what you expect?
[09:12] <apw> the intersection works by adding them, and the archive not adding them i believe.
[09:13] <apw> seb128, for which series.
[09:13] <seb128> I'm just interested to get libmanette to build to unblock webkitgtk
[09:13] <seb128> apw, impish
[09:16] <Laney> one thing is that packagesets can contain sources which aren't in the actual ubuntu archive
[09:16] <Laney> like if any PPA has had the source uploaded, you can add it to a packageset
[09:16] <apw> right, they have to be known to launchpad, so in any PPA, but yes
[09:16] <Laney> so it's a bit tricky output wise
[09:16] <apw> it _really_ should work out which ones can be actually added and emit just those.
[09:17] <Laney> I dunno how the script can know, is there an API call which can tell you that?
[09:17]  * apw has a look at it
[09:17] <Laney> you can say "is this in ubuntu?" but that's not the same thing
[09:17] <apw> for the nvidia thing even doing that would help
[09:18] <apw> as we actually do want to add them when they are in a PPA, so when they hit the archive the first time
[09:18] <apw> they get built, and we don't have to do the copy dance to fix it
[09:19] <Laney> yeah, so that limits the filtering you can do
[09:19] <apw> for nvidia specfially known to launchpad is really what i want
[09:19] <Laney> well really I guess this script should be using an allowlist
[09:20] <Laney> ubuntu archive OR these trusted PPAs
[09:20] <apw> likely that too, yes
[09:20] <Laney> then you could do the intersection thing, and avoid printing nonsense
[09:20] <apw> well its normally not possible, because it uses the archive miss list
[09:20] <apw> so it has to be in the archive in the automated case; it is these manual ones whcih are poop
[09:21] <apw> and literally only this one, is a problem
[09:23] <Laney> yeah I guess it could be hardcoded couldn't it, in that loop
[09:23] <Laney> only add to nv_list if it's in the ppa
[09:24] <Laney> apw: what's the ppa? I can probably do this quickly
[09:24] <apw> it makes more sense to just lookup the published versions in the "appropriate" places.
[09:25] <apw> Laney, already doing it
[09:25] <Laney> ah YAY
[09:25] <Laney> even better!
[09:42] <apw> ok implemented, waiting on confirmation of the 'pre-proposed' PPA for these before i propose for merge
[09:42] <apw> seb128, whitelist updated with libmanette
[09:56] <seb128> apw, thanks!
[14:58] <bryce> seb128, yes I did, sorry yesterday was interrupt heavy, I'll investigate today
[15:05] <seb128> bryce, hey, thank you
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