[03:53] <Kilos> morning all
[04:29] <barrydk> More almal
[04:29] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[04:32] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[04:32] <Tonberry> hi
[05:03] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn_
[05:32] <Kilos> hi mazal
[05:33] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:22] <Kilos> hmm... inetpro_  sleep sterk vandag
[07:22] <Kilos> stert
[07:38] <stickyboy> https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing/wiki/Getting-Started
[07:39] <Kilos> good morning stickyboy
[07:41] <stickyboy> Kilos: Hey
[07:41] <stickyboy> Anyone try Syncthing?
[07:41] <Kilos> dunno , wait and see
[07:41] <Kilos> they all seem snowed under atm
[07:45] <stickyboy> I am even a bit snowed under.
[07:47] <Kilos> you mustnt forget to share on the africa channelas well  hey
[07:48] <inetpro> ai!
[07:48] <inetpro> Guten Morgen
[07:48] <Kilos> lol hiya inetpro
[07:49] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:50] <stickyboy> Kilos: :P
[07:50] <stickyboy> Mac OS X sucks!
[07:51] <stickyboy> But Mac hardware is z0mg wow so nice.
[07:51] <Kilos> haha thats a change of tune from a few weeks back
[07:51]  * inetpro tries to shake it off
[07:51] <inetpro> Kilos: how goes it this morning?
[07:52] <Kilos> im good ty inetpro  what are you shaking off?
[07:52] <Kilos> flue
[07:52] <inetpro> the snow
[07:52] <Kilos> rofl
[07:52] <stickyboy> inetpro: Do you ever play with Go stuff?
[07:52] <stickyboy> I'm not a developer, so I don't dabble in new languages.
[07:53] <stickyboy> But there are lots of sweet tools written in Go lately.
[07:53] <inetpro> stickyboy: nope
[07:53] <inetpro> never tried go but have seen it floating around
[07:53]  * inetpro still needs to catch up with python even
[07:54] <Kilos> lol
[07:55]  * inetpro still does old school stuff like bash, sed, awk, perl, etc
[07:57] <Webtricity> Teraco Cape Town is on fire... Great Westerford Building on the 3rd Floor
[07:57] <Webtricity> fun times
[07:58] <Kilos> oh my
[08:01] <Webtricity> Dear Valued Customer,
[08:01] <Webtricity> Please note we have an emergency situation in Teraco Cape Town.
[08:01] <Webtricity> We have been informed that there is a large fire in the Great Westerford Building on the 3rd Floor and that the room is currently on fire. Our Wireless equipment on the roof has been affected by the fire and multiple links in the Cape Town could possibly be affected in the short term.
[08:01] <Webtricity> The fire brigade has multiple vehicles on site and are busy extinguishing  the fire. Teraco and our node in Teraco is currently still operational and unaffected but there is no guarantee how long this will last. Two major problems are that the power could fail or be switched off by the fire brigade and/or the air conditioners on the roof may overheat or even be shut down.
[08:01] <Webtricity> We are on high alert and have people onsite to monitor the situation.
[08:01] <Webtricity> Should the facility fail , it will have a detrimental impact on our Cape Town Network and same will apply to many other operators in the country as Teraco is a critical node for most service providers and Telco’s.
[08:03] <Kilos> that dont sound good at all
[08:08] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[08:11] <TinuvaMac> its scary
[08:13] <Kilos> hi superfly  are you near there?
[08:15] <Webtricity> eskom has cut power to the building
 eskom has cut power to the building
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> it has?
[08:20] <stickyboy> regexes in udev...
[08:20] <stickyboy> not real regexes...
[08:20] <stickyboy> globs!
[08:21] <Webtricity> Sven Welzel @svenwelzel  18m18 minutes ago
[08:21] <Webtricity> Eskom Power to the Greater Westerford building has been cut as firefighting efforts continue... #newlands #capetown #fire
[08:21] <Webtricity> Our equipment there is still pingable
[08:21] <Webtricity> which means if Eskom did cut the power, the generators are now supplying power
[08:21] <Webtricity> so thats rather a redundant move
[08:23] <superfly> Kilos: occasionally
[08:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:23] <superfly> Kilos: oh, to Great Westerford? no
[08:23] <Kilos> good
[08:25] <TinuvaMac> or isnt it only running on ups now?
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> not for long
[08:25] <TinuvaMac> true
[08:26] <TinuvaMac> either way, this not going to turn out good
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> and half of the people working with this stuff are probably at scaleconf
[08:33] <superfly> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hosting-storage/121054-teraco-hetzner-cape-town-dc-unaffected-by-building-fire.html
[08:40] <Webtricity> We have been informed by Teraco that the fire has been contained. Please be advised that Eskom has cut power to the building and that the building is currently running on the generators.
[09:02] <TinuvaMac> fok me, what an exciting morning
[09:03] <Webtricity> I think God is angry with Cape Town... All these fires
[09:08] <Squirm> morning
[09:09] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[09:10] <Squirm> Sounds like we have info hosted there too
[09:10] <Squirm> :/
[09:12] <TinuvaMac> i wouldnt be surprised
[09:12] <inetpro> eish!
[09:17] <Squirm> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hosting-storage/121054-teraco-hetzner-cape-town-dc-unaffected-by-building-fire.html
[09:17] <Squirm> Well, sorry, we're with Hetzner
[09:18] <Squirm> Same building :P
[09:25] <Kilos> Maaz  tell magespawn http://www.zdnet.com/article/companies-really-want-linux-savvy-employees-and-they-want-them-now/
[09:25] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[09:42] <Squirm> Head they put the fire out a while ago now
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup, http://www.hetzner.co.za/helpcentre/index.php/network-notices/details/4929
[10:41] <mazal> mirrag
[10:42] <mazal> There wouldn't happen to be a web africa manager here ?
[11:11]  * ThatGraemeGuy prods TinuvaMac
[11:39] <TinuvaMac> im not a WA manager
[11:39] <inetpro> mazal: what's wrong?
[11:39] <TinuvaMac> but i do work at wa
[11:39] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: have you killed the fire yet?
[11:40] <inetpro> not killed*
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> which one? :-)
[11:41] <inetpro> eish! There's more than one?
[11:41] <inetpro> still*
[11:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> the one that nearly destroyed a data centre or the one that was destroying most of the greater cape peninsula?
[11:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> either way, I think both are no longer an issue
[11:41] <TinuvaMac> i wouldnt say it nearly destroyed a datacenter
[11:41] <TinuvaMac> it was close, but not nearly close
[11:42] <TinuvaMac> as in, same building, but like 4 floors away
[11:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> but you would say that if you were being overly dramatic
[11:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> :D
[11:42] <TinuvaMac> yes
[11:42] <TinuvaMac> :P
[11:42] <TinuvaMac> it was a great scare however
[11:43] <TinuvaMac> if it were to happen though, i bet a few insurance companies wouldnt be too happy
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't insure data, the machines are the least of the hassle
[11:44] <TinuvaMac> data should be backed up offsite
[11:44] <TinuvaMac> that was our worry, checking that, that was indeed the case
[11:46] <TinuvaMac> i think 1 companies' office was destroyed, and half the wireless equipment on the roof, mostly Amobia will be having fun cleaning that up
[11:46] <mazal> TinuvaMac: Which section do you work ?
[11:47] <TinuvaMac> networking
[11:47] <mazal> Looking for someone in billing
[11:47] <TinuvaMac> doubt any of the billing agents/managers even know what irc is
[11:48] <mazal> I just took a chance at a "maybe" :)
[11:48] <TinuvaMac> for sure, its worth a shot
[11:48] <TinuvaMac> what do you need help with anyway?
[11:49] <mazal> Short version: Money is not being deducted , invoices shows paid , reported 3 times , support don't seem to care
[11:49] <mazal> Basically you have been giving me free internet for months now
[11:49] <mazal> 3 months
[11:50] <TinuvaMac> well if you really want i can escalate that for you
[11:50] <TinuvaMac> just need your client code
[11:50] <mazal> Lemme fetch that quick
[11:50] <inetpro> give him another 6 months free as a bonus for being honest
[11:50] <TinuvaMac> otherwise,the other procedure is, you wait about a year, someone in development pick up on it, and they decide to fix it at that point
[11:51] <TinuvaMac> inetpro: if i had that power i would :P
[12:44] <mazal> Bye everyone , God bless
[12:56] <Kilos> nlsthzn_  whats happening?
[13:40] <inetpro> ai!
[13:41] <inetpro> who can I talk to to find out what changed in thunderbird 31.5.0 ?
[13:41] <inetpro> suddenly when clicking a link in an email it pops up two empty firefox windows
[13:41] <inetpro> and it's like totally ignoring what is set in network.protocol-handler.app.http
[13:42] <inetpro> and not looking at  the default browser setting in the OS either
[13:43] <Kilos> oh my fixit
[13:44] <inetpro> even when changing it to chrome it still open firefox
[13:56] <stickyboy> inetpro: Not sure.
[13:56] <stickyboy> Maybe some old environment variable in your session?
[14:00] <Kilos> haha i have the same thing with eveo almost
[14:00] <Kilos> when chrome removed mail links open in opera but the minute chrome is installed all mail links go to chrome
[14:00] <Kilos> hi mopkop
[14:01] <Kilos> and default browser set to opera
[14:01] <mopkop> Hello All!
[14:02] <mopkop> Today is my first weekiversary with Ubuntu!
[14:02] <stickyboy> mopkop: Wow, no kidding?
[14:02] <Kilos> happy anniversary
[14:05] <mopkop> Lol yes, thank you! In that time I broke pretty much everything which can be broken :). I Still have a lot to learn. Can't decide what to learn first, Python or Vala.
[14:05] <inetpro> happy weekiversary mopkop!
[14:05] <Kilos> python
[14:12] <Kilos> wbb
[14:25] <nlsthzn_> hi uncle Kilos ... dunno... some network issues from isp perhaps...
[14:25] <nlsthzn_> just for home from the big city
[14:25] <nlsthzn_> had to take the wife and the little one all the way there and back since yesterday to do passport etc...
[14:25] <nlsthzn_> stupid home affairs and their retarded laws
[14:26] <Kilos> ouch nlsthzn_  that sucks
[14:27] <nlsthzn_> back now... mommy and baby seem ok ;)_
[14:27] <nlsthzn_> :)
[14:29] <Kilos> yay
[14:46] <mopkop> Python it is then.
[14:46] <Kilos> haha good man
[14:46] <Kilos> young man
[14:47] <mopkop> 2 or 3?
[14:47] <Kilos> well three is where eveything is heading
[14:47] <Kilos> but would be good to know 2 as well for converting 2 to 3
[14:48] <Kilos> maybe in 3 it explains
[14:48] <mopkop> Both then, But with which one should I start?
[14:49] <Kilos> tumbleweed  can you give mopkop  advice please
[14:49] <Kilos> other wise we gotta wait for the fly
[14:49]  * inetpro filed a bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1139908
[14:50] <inetpro> let's hope someone picks that up asap
[14:51] <Kilos> well done inetpro  without that it would ride
[14:52] <Kilos> most peeps dont know how to do that
[14:54] <Kilos> Maaz  google what to study ? python 2 or 3
[14:54] <Maaz> Kilos: "Python2orPython3 - Python Wiki" https://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3 :: "Porting Python 2 Code to Python 3 — Python 3.4.3 documentation" https://docs.python.org/3/howto/pyporting.html :: "25.4. 2to3 - Automated Python 2 to 3 code translation — Python 2.7 ..." https://docs.python.org/2/library/2to3.html :: "Python 2 vs Python 3 and Tutorial -
[14:54] <Maaz> Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/questions/442352/python-2-vs-python-3-and-tutorial…
[14:54] <Kilos> mopkop  see what those links say
[14:55] <inetpro> yikes!
[14:55] <Kilos> wat nou?
[14:56]  * inetpro wondering what comes after Vivid Vervet?
[14:56] <Kilos> some kinda whale or something
[14:56] <Kilos> or warthog
[14:56] <inetpro> X
[14:56] <Kilos> winsome warthog
[14:57] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:57] <inetpro> oh you right
[14:57] <Kilos> there is an animal with x i think
[14:57] <inetpro> must be W
[14:57] <Kilos> im always right, except when im wrong
[14:58] <Kilos> weeping wailing whooping whining wheesing
[14:59] <Kilos> wheezing
[14:59] <inetpro> Wet Whale?
[14:59] <Kilos> lol
[14:59] <mopkop> lol
[14:59] <mopkop> Wheezing Weasel :)
[14:59] <inetpro> Wily Wolf
[14:59] <inetpro> Witty Walrus
[14:59] <Kilos> ya thats better
[15:00] <Kilos> i like the wolf one
[15:00] <inetpro> make your suggestion at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[15:00] <mopkop> Warthog is already taken. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Ubuntu_4.10_.28Warty_Warthog.29
[15:01] <Kilos> oh my they started backwards
[15:03] <inetpro> Kilos: no, see the History
[15:03] <Kilos> wily wolf is there already
[15:03] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#History
[15:10] <Kilos> has there been a weasel before?
[15:10] <Kilos> how about wily weasel
[15:10] <mopkop> Doesn't seem that way.
[15:11] <Kilos> right added
[15:11] <inetpro> lol
[15:12] <Kilos> them wikis are dangerous things, anyone can put anything there
[15:13] <mopkop> Indeed, but more people are willing to do good than mischief.
[15:13] <Kilos> yay
[15:13] <inetpro> Kilos: anyone?
[15:14] <Kilos> anyone that knows how to edit wikis i spose
[15:14] <inetpro> no
[15:14] <Kilos> oh
[15:14] <inetpro> anyone with an account
[15:14] <Kilos> aha
[15:15] <Kilos> i see there are more new members after fly
[15:15]  * Kilos still waits for the pro
[15:16] <Kilos> so mopkop  is there any guidance in choice of 2 or 3
[15:16] <Kilos> or which one first
[15:17] <mopkop> 3, I think. If I start with 2, there will be a lot of "unlearning" to do.
[15:17] <Kilos> aha
[15:17] <Kilos> dont forget ibid is waiting for you
[15:18] <mopkop> Yay, something to break :)
[15:18] <Kilos> so hurry up
[15:18] <Kilos> lol
[15:18] <mopkop> How can I test it?
[15:18] <mopkop> Do I need a server for it?
[15:18] <Kilos> well you can get the source
[15:19] <Kilos> and you can run it on your pc
[15:19] <Kilos> i ran one in my channel for a long time but it went to bed when i did
[15:20] <mopkop> I see. So you can connect 2 RTC accounts at the same time?
[15:20] <mopkop> Let me try that...
[15:21] <Kilos> the package is in the repos
[15:21] <Kilos> but it stopped working when ubuntu went to python 3
[15:21] <Kilos> the pro has a workaround
[15:22] <Kilos> inetpro  you gonna guide him?
[15:22] <inetpro> uh... now? no
[15:22] <Kilos> not this minute man
[15:22] <mopkop> I'll have to learn it first :)
[15:23] <mopkop> But let me finish my assignment first - I'ts about Church management.
[15:23] <Kilos> ya finish that first
[15:24] <Kaalkop> Yay, this works
[15:25] <mopkop> How come it shows my isp when I login?
[15:26] <Kilos> because you dont have a cloak
[15:27] <Kilos> look in your cupboard for a nice cloak
[15:27] <Kilos> sorry
[15:27] <mopkop> Hmm...
[15:27] <Kilos> go to #freenode and ask the staff to cloak you
[15:27] <mopkop> So I just cover my computer with it?
[15:28] <Kilos> lol
[15:28] <Kilos> you need to have your nick registered with them fist
[15:28] <Kilos> i think that can be done from here
[15:29] <mopkop> Let me try something
[15:33] <Kilos>    /msg nickserv register mopkop  i think it is
[15:33] <mopkop> My nick is already registered.
[15:33] <Kilos> then go to #freenode and ask staff to cloak you
[15:39] <mopkop> It seems like a long process. You guys won't somehow use my hostname and IP to hack me, will you? If not, I guess I'm safe :)
[15:40] <Kilos> most peeps here will rather help you
[15:40] <mopkop> I've noticed.
[15:40] <mopkop> Back to assignment...
[16:10] <Squirm> evening
[16:21] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[16:33] <Kilos> added yowling yack too
[16:36] <mopkop> Good evening Squirm!
[16:36] <Squirm> Hey mopkop
[16:51] <mopkop> So I'm thinking of opening a blog.
[16:51] <Kilos> lol
[16:52] <mopkop> Write about my experiences with Ubuntu.
[16:53] <mopkop> The Ubuntu Diaries :)
[16:59] <Kilos> make one where i do
[16:59] <Kilos> im the only one there
[17:00] <Kilos> yolasite
[17:00] <Kilos> http://www.yola.com/blog
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:08] <mazal> Evening everyone
[17:08] <mopkop> Good evening!
[17:09]  * mazal looks around and can't remember who it was that helped him today
[17:12] <mopkop> Aai, sorry Kilos, already registered with blogspot :(
[17:17] <Kilos> Rlol np man
[17:19] <Kilos> mazal  tinuvamac i think
[17:19] <Kilos> with the account thing?
[17:20] <mazal> Ah yes , that's the nick. Will thank him tomorrow
[17:22] <Kilos> oh sorry mopkop  mine is also by blogspot
[17:22] <Kilos> my site was with yola
[18:47] <inetpro> superfly: how was your meeting last night?
[18:49] <superfly> long
[18:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:53] <inetpro> sounds like serious business
[19:28] <Kilos> hmm....
[19:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:39] <ikonia> chaps (anyone who is awake) I'd like to request an short update to the emma statment, I'd like to know what ubuntu current situation is with her before I work out what/if anything can be done as I'm not happy with a few things that are going on
[00:40] <nalioth> ikonia: atm, emma appears to be banned
[00:40] <ikonia> from what ?
[00:40] <ikonia> just want to be clear before I decide what to do )
[00:41] <nalioth> from #ubuntu, for one
[00:41] <ikonia> ok, but she is still allowed to participate in other community area's  ?
[00:42] <LjL> she's banned from several ubuntu irc channels
[00:42] <LjL> i think she's pretty free to do anything else
[00:43] <Seeker`> We were told that, as a loco team, it was our decision as to whether we banned her. We chose not to unless she does something "bannable"
[00:43] <ikonia> I'm getting a bit of hassle from her from any channel I appear in
[00:43] <nalioth> oh?
[00:43] <ikonia> I'm not to sure how to progress it / deal with it in an acceptable manner to both ubuntu and freenode in general, I'm happy to ignore it, but it's spilling into any activities I'm involved in
[00:44] <LjL> [01:43:59] <-> Auctionedllama> give me a ping when you're pretty sure you've understood that the Enter key is not a punctuation mark
[00:44] <LjL> has been doing it all yesterday, bots going mad at him several times
[00:44] <LjL> ikonia: guess what, you're not alone
[00:44] <ikonia> no, no, I don't suspect I am
[00:47] <ikonia> I'm aware that ubuntu/freenode are discussing this at some level, but I'd like to progress this a bit further with freenode now (potentially). From a personal level I'm getting a little frustrated that this is being allowed to continue
[00:47] <ikonia> hence why I thought I'd seek guidence from what's currently done to not step on toes or waste time with covered ground
[01:09] <Auctionedllama> I come to ping LJL, soz about that
[01:10] <LjL> Auctionedllama, you see how busy #ubuntu is most of the time
[01:10] <LjL> yesterday night it was *relatively* quiet
[01:10] <LjL> but you did abuse Enter a lot
[01:10] <LjL> when it's busy like this, please try to type full sentences
[01:11] <LjL> not
[01:11] <LjL> ah ok
[01:11] <LjL> let me see
[01:11] <LjL> yes
[01:11] <mneptok> the only thing
[01:11] <mneptok> more annoying
[01:11] <mneptok> than <enter>
[01:11] <mneptok> as punctuation
[01:11] <mneptok> is
[01:11] <mneptok> lol
[01:11] <LjL> people have enough trouble following a channel with 1300 people even when they speak in full sentences
[01:11] <mneptok> as punctuation
[01:11] <LjL> or for that matter, "omg gay"
[01:11] <mneptok> lol.
[01:13] <mneptok> nalioth: meeple
[01:13] <Auctionedllama> Sorry
[01:13] <Auctionedllama> Lol.. I am having extreme trouble with my ATI cards, and had become frustrated at the time
[01:14] <Auctionedllama> Please accept my sincere apologies
[01:14] <mneptok> as do most ATI customers when they discover free software
[01:14] <LjL> Auctionedllama: i don't want apologies, i just want to see you typing full sentences in #ubuntu :)
[01:14]  * Seeker` tries to avoid killing people who begin sentances with "LOL....."
[01:14] <LjL> Auctionedllama: you're not the only one frustrated with ubuntu problems, so try to think of the other 1300 people who are frustrated with their problems too ;)
[01:15] <mneptok> you think ATI issues are frustrating, try making debconf and KVM play nicely.
[01:15] <Auctionedllama> Alright, lol, sorry for your troubles
[01:15] <Auctionedllama> Back to terminal >_>
[01:17] <Auctionedllama> Can I ask you guys a question?
[01:18] <mneptok> i think you just did.
[01:18] <Seeker`> Auctionedllama: Support questions belong in #ubuntu
[01:18] <mneptok> want another one?
[01:18] <Seeker`> If it is a question regarding -ops, then you can ask in here
[01:18] <mneptok> or channel policies
[01:18] <Auctionedllama> Alright, I am just having trouble.. nm
[01:18] <mneptok> etc etc
[01:18] <Auctionedllama> Thanks anyways
[01:23] <LjL> Auctionedllama, i'm not sure you get it
[01:23] <LjL> [02:19:23] <Auctionedllama> Hey mates, what is the command to install fglrx?
[01:23] <LjL> [02:19:47] <Auctionedllama> ?
[01:23] <LjL> [02:21:37] <Auctionedllama> Ok, it says its installed, but whenever I run the sudo modprobe fglrx command it doesn't show up
[01:23] <LjL> [02:21:39] <Auctionedllama> any halp?
[01:23] <LjL> what's the need for these "trailers"?
[01:23] <LjL> [02:22:49] <Auctionedllama> Uhm
[01:23] <LjL> [02:22:55] <Auctionedllama> Jack_sparrow- its all mesa
[01:24] <Auctionedllama> Sorry Mate
[01:24] <LjL> if you're sorry then stop doing it. there is a key on your keyboard that can print a period - use it
[01:26] <Auctionedllama> Most likely the answer is no.. but is there anyway you guys can like, help me real fast?
[01:27] <LjL> no. ask in #ubuntu. all in one line will make me more likely to try answering.
[01:28] <Auctionedllama> OK, I did, all in one line, just for you xD
[01:32] <nalioth> mneptok: noddle?
[01:33] <mneptok> nalioth: linked nicks do not share cloaks?
[01:34] <mneptok> (wait, can you link nicks on freenode?) O:)
[01:34] <nalioth> mneptok: they do, as long as the wearer is identified
[01:36] <mnepton> nalioth: and right you are :)
[01:37] <mneptok> sorry, thought i had those linked already. i did not.
[01:41] <LjL> [02:40:44] <tmccrary> Its-a you! Lorenzo! Mamma Mia!
[01:41] <LjL> he's going
[01:42] <stdin> btw, !guide probably want removing or turning in to something useful
[01:42] <LjL> !guide
[01:42] <ubotu> guide is hhgttg
[01:43] <LjL> !forget guide
[01:43] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[01:47] <ffm__> Can someone change the topic in #ubuntu+1 to something like "Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy | Help test LTS upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto | Beta Rel. Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta | Release Candidate comes out April 18, see
[01:47] <ffm__>  ubuntu-announce for the announcement | Release date 24th April" so that the RC date is in there?
[01:47] <mneptok> ffm__: no.
[01:47] <mneptok> ffm__: what if RC is delayed?
[01:48] <LjL> ffm__: also, as you showed, it doesn't fit in one message :)
[01:48] <Seeker`> ffm__: it is already April 18th for > 1/2 the world
[01:48] <ffm__> Ok.
[01:48] <ffm__> How about "watch ubuntu-announce for the release candidate announcement" or something allong those lines?
[01:49] <mneptok> ffm__: and what would you remove to allow that to fit in the topic?
[01:49] <ffm__> mneptok, I'd think it'd fit on one time.
[01:50] <ffm__> *line
[01:50] <ffm__> "Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy | Help test LTS upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto | Beta Rel. Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta | Release Candidates and final releases will be announced on ubuntu-announce"
[01:51] <mneptok> so you'd remove the reference to the release date
[01:56] <LjL> what about "the RC is not out yet"
[01:56] <mneptok> http://tinyurl.com/4xuegw
[01:57] <LjL> tinyurls in topic are sooo unprofessional
[01:58] <nickrud> when we get paid, then 'professional'  will come into play ;)
[01:59] <ffm__> mneptok, Yeah, I would.
[01:59] <nalioth> nickrud: you don't get paid?
[01:59]  * nalioth covers mouth
[02:00]  * nickrud begins to feel cheated
[02:05] <LjL> nalioth, you really shouldn't say that we're being paid by irseek.
[02:05] <nalioth> LjL: ssssh
[02:06]  * nickrud is now past feeling cheated
[02:06] <nickrud> feeling virtuous
[02:06] <nalioth> nickrud: weren't you the VP on the irseek board of directors?
[02:06] <nickrud> I couldn't convince anyone I was sleazy enough ;(
[02:07] <mneptok> OMG YOU SAID IRSEEK
[02:08] <mneptok> *ahem*
[02:08]  * nickrud hands mneptok his spare
[02:09]  * nalioth approaches mneptok with some 750C silver solder and a oxyacetylene torch to help him with the waves
[02:25] <LjL> eek, nobody come out cloaked from the netsplit
[02:27] <nalioth> YOU'RE ALL NEKKID!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[02:28]  * nickrud wonders what LjL is talking about, I don't see any ips. (he always peeks wherever he can)
[02:29] <LjL> well, then maybe it was just my floodbot not logging in properly.
[02:29] <LjL> it's true i do see one cloak in there.
[02:29] <ikonia> I'm cloaked ?
[02:30] <LjL> yeah
[02:30] <LjL> but, you didn't split to begin with :)
[02:30] <ikonia> that explains that then
[03:18] <LjL> [04:18:08] <FloodBot1> Randal1 tried to join #ubuntu from a web gateway, but their host is banned
[03:19] <LjL> pici: your ban
[03:19]  * Pici looks
[03:19] <Pici> @btlogin
[03:19] <LjL> just saying, that's clearly ban evasion.
[03:20] <Pici> troll anyway
[05:28] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: can i suggest that you don't make any moves, re: emma, without knowing all that has gone on?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: also, remember about this chanenl - tell her that if she wishes to take an issue up, this is the place to do it - not other places, where it is offtopic.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: feel free to complain to freenode though.  Just make sure you do it by email (staff@freenode.net), so that it actually goes to the right people.
[05:32] <mneptok> hi! is this your party? the food sucks.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: come back when you're actually wearing pants, please.
[05:34] <emma> Hello.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> good day.
[05:39] <emma> Never mind, I am beginning to realize that I need to be the adult here.  Please do not use this channel as a place to antagonize me or encourage others to carry out your agenda. Thank you.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ...
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: apparently it's now a problem to actually answer a question.
[05:40] <nickrud> Hobbsee if you read back you will see that she might have some grounds ...
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nickrud: i read it.
[05:41] <nickrud> I have a perverse sense of humor. Childish on reflection, sometimes
[05:41] <Hobbsee> nickrud: people expressing unhappiness over emma's conduct, and asking what has already been done, to be more effective at what they next plan to do, isn't exactly antagonistic.
[05:42] <nickrud> Hobbsee wasn't speaking of ikonia, he was very proper
[05:43] <Hobbsee> nickrud: right.  I didn't see a mention of emma that wasn't ikonia, or wasn't otherwise proper.  So now i'm confused.
[05:44] <nickrud> Hobbsee around 1758
[05:44] <Hobbsee> nickrud: UTC?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> nickrud: (how many hours ago)
[05:45] <nickrud> Hobbsee no, lets see, 4 hours ?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> nickrud: ah, yes.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> I see now.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Would help if she didn't try to antagonise us, too.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ah well, the sooner freenode makes a decision, the better.
[05:47] <nickrud> that snarky tone is what gets to me. She can have a good point, but totally alienate anyone who might be willing to listen
[05:47] <mneptok> what am i missing? what was said to her?
[05:48]  * mneptok is too lazy to grep logs
[05:48] <Hobbsee> mneptok: try 20 lines up.
[05:48] <nickrud> mneptok not here, us horsing around about irseek earlier is what I was referencing
[05:48] <mneptok> how does that antagonize her, or encourage others?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> mneptok: she comes in here, to tell us that she would like us not to antagonise her.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> mneptok: now, in the land of emma....anything is possible.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> mneptok: ask for her definitions of spam sometime.  You'll find them quite enlightening.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> mneptok: then you will understand her a lot more.
[05:49] <mneptok> as in "5hedd unw4nted POUNDZZZ" ?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> mneptok: or read it when the CC asks what her definition of spam is, when paladine makes it to a CC meeting.
[05:50] <mneptok> that kind of enlightening?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> not quite
[05:50] <mneptok> damn. i'm as big as a house.
[05:52] <mneptok> i love that i'm on closed ciruit tv.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> mneptok: if you ever saw elkbuntu's blog....you'll go far.
[05:52]  * mneptok hurls his water dish and shrieks
[05:52]  * Hobbsee chains mneptok up to the heavy pole outside.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> down, boy!
[05:52] <Hobbsee> bad dog.
[05:53]  * mneptok gnaws on nickrud's shoe
[05:53]  * nickrud is glad he just kicked mneptok's poop to the side
[05:54] <nickrud> ah, love being childish sometimes
[05:54] <mneptok> please do not antagonise me.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> mneptok: else you'll complain to the CC?
[05:55] <mneptok> i'll breed.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> oh no.
[05:55]  * Hobbsee finds someone to neuter mneptok
[06:16] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, bullgard4 said: !ops #ubuntu-de is abused.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> done
[06:22] <Jucato> you neutered mneptok?!?! O.o
[06:23] <Hobbsee> no, the ops call :P
[06:23] <Jucato> ooh :)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> and staff have attended to the other part of it
[06:48] <jussi01> hrm, lovely quit message (#ubuntu+1)
[06:48] <jussi01> [04/18/08 01:45:20] *** nenolod [n=nenolod@atheme/developer/nenolod] has quit ["<tsb-> ur a fucking prick :) | <nenolod> very good. thanks."]
[06:50] <Hobbsee> sounds like the mark of an op :P
[06:50] <Hobbsee> "thankyou for having a go at me"
[06:50] <jussi01> hehe
[07:43] <Hobbsee> sigh @ twb.
[07:43] <Hobbsee> hm, he's only in +1
[07:43]  * Hobbsee wonders what htey put in the water
[07:45]  * Hobbsee has no idea why he expects users to be able to influence the fact that there are errors in the ubuntu websites, beyond filing bugs about them.
[07:47] <Hobbsee> [16:47] <twb> x1250: I'm asking if it's possible for an Ubuntu Developer to call for a vote to e.g. switch to a different BTS

[07:48] <ompaul> Hobbsee, call me evil
[07:48] <Hobbsee> ompaul: yeah, you are.  good thing i won't be there.  but that'll require him to validate more than a  mail, i expect.
[07:50] <Jucato> a windows-only proprietary bts?
[07:50] <Jucato> >:)
[07:50]  * Hobbsee snorts
[07:50] <Hobbsee> bad Jucato!
[07:56]  * jussio1 is going to shoot someone... (wondering why? see http://www.dilbert.com/animation/ ) :/
[07:59] <Hobbsee> classy
[08:02]  * jussi01 changes browser identification...
[08:03] <ompaul> jussi01, does that work?
[08:03] <jussi01> heh, they are so stupid
[08:03] <jussi01> ompaul: yes :P
[08:04] <ompaul> hehe
[08:04] <ompaul> hav a nice day
[08:09] <Hobbsee> jussi01: hah.  nice.
[08:09]  * Hobbsee was amused to see that the cable for the internet stuff now only supports win2000, XP
[08:09] <Hobbsee> no mac, no linux, no vista.
[08:09] <jussio1> Hobbsee: can you explain a sane reason why companies do that?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> the vista one was particularly surprising
[08:09] <Hobbsee> jussio1: they don't want to support it.
[08:10] <jussio1> meh
[08:10] <Hobbsee> jussio1: while they might support a bit of it on the side, tehy don't want to be required to support it.
[08:10] <jussio1> well yeah, I suppose, but it still sucks.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> jussio1: well, it should work.
[08:11] <jussio1> anyway, I should stop watching dilber videos and get back to work...
[08:11] <Hobbsee> jussio1: but for really....not smart...users...i can't blame them
[08:11] <Hobbsee> jussio1: they wouldn't want to have to debug network manager, for eg.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> jussio1: or tell the users how to work firefox.
[08:11] <jussi01> hehe
[08:13] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you'd be surprised at how many people ask/demand in #linode for the admins to help them resolve their problems with apache.
[08:13] <Hobbsee> even though it's clearly stated "it's unmanaged, we don't do support for applications"
[08:13] <Hobbsee> some people will try anything.
[08:13] <jussio1> :/
[10:31] <Hobbsee> !logs
[10:31] <ubotu> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[12:28] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[12:28] <jrib> good job floodbot
[12:29] <Myrtti> whoa
[12:45] <Mez> Is it bad that I'm cloning my system to a chroot and then testing the upgrade path there?
[12:51] <elkbuntu> Mez, only if it doesn't work.
[12:57] <Mez> elkbuntu, and if i itt does?
[12:58] <elkbuntu> Mez, it *is* your system, right?
[12:59] <Mez> well, my work system
[12:59] <elkbuntu> Mez, and there's no licence clause on any related application that says you cant do it, right?
[13:00] <Mez> elkbuntu, cloning my system to test itself?
[13:01] <Myrtti> /me votes for virtualisation
[13:01] <Mez> Myrtti - good point
[13:01] <Mez> but cant be arsed here
[13:01]  * Mez just assigns it to a core
[14:21] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I think we was referring to the 'thanks for wasting our time' comment....
[14:22] <Jack_Sparrow> I know.. and he was wasting our time.. he knows he is running hardy and asking in the wrong place
[14:26] <ikonia> bullguard knows exactly what he is doing
[14:26] <ikonia> he trys to provoke an argument/situation
[14:26] <Pici> e does tend to ask highly technical linux (not necessarily ubuntu) related questions
[14:27] <ikonia> they are never highly technical just long winded
[14:27] <Pici> I've seen some obscure kernel questions before.
[14:27] <ikonia> If I am running a 2.6.24 kenrel, on a system that is ubuntu but laid out to look like fedora, with a theme that I found on a slack ware site, how do I add a user
[14:27] <Pici> Perhaps just too technical for me.
[14:28] <ikonia> I doubt that
[14:28] <Pici> Or maybe I just misunderstood
[14:30] <Jack_Sparrow> I hate these guys that say they are running both when it is clear they are working on the unsupported one
[14:30] <ikonia> agreed
[14:30] <ikonia> "I have one pc running gutsy and one running hardy"
[14:30] <ikonia> it's clear your asking about hardy
[14:30] <ikonia> user1 was a pain about that last night
[14:32] <Jack_Sparrow> I see us needing to keep #Ubuntu-1 for awhile if only for the xorg difference...(Probably need to rephrase that, but I am tired.)
[14:32] <ikonia> well as soon as it goes "live" I thought ubuntu+1 got nailed
[14:33] <Jack_Sparrow> +1 will go but wont gutsy then be -1
[14:33] <ikonia> I thought it was just #ubuntu ?
[14:33] <ikonia> eg: 7.10 is still supported in the same way that 7.04 is
[14:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Didnt we used to have -1 for previous release
[14:34] <Pici> Noe
[14:34] <Pici> er, Nope
[14:34] <ikonia> Pici: who me or Jack_Sparrow
[14:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Im wrong then, I thought we did
[14:35] <Pici> ikonia: Jack
[14:35] <ikonia> super, just checkoing
[14:35] <ikonia> checking
[14:36] <Jack_Sparrow> For some reason I thought we did back in the badger era but I have been wrong before
[14:37] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Perhaps, I wasn't around here during that though.
[14:37] <Pici> For whatever reason it never occured to me that IRC support existed.
[14:37] <Jack_Sparrow> All too soon just one happy family
[14:39] <Jack_Sparrow> I need to go and boot my knoppixmame cd and go mindless for awhile...
[14:45] <ubotu> ogra called the ops in #ubuntu-devel ()
[14:46] <Hobbsee> heads up on [23:46] [Whois] Randall is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Randall McFarlane)
[14:46] <Pici> Hobbsee: yeah, I have a ban for him in #ubuntu iirc
[14:47] <Hobbsee> right
[16:15] <Pici> LjL: I didn't think that the release announcement had been made yet.
[16:18] <LjL> Pici: well, the releases site has the rc and does *not* have the beta, so we'd be linking to something that doesn't exist.
[16:18] <Hobbsee> it's not yet been made
[16:19] <Pici> Hobbsee: Do you know if the install images are in a final state for the RC?
[16:19] <Pici> nevermind.
[16:19] <LjL> if we aren't linking to the RC then we shouldn't be linking at all, since the beta wiki page links to the same ISOs
[16:20] <Hobbsee> Pici: the annoucement text is being done now
[16:20] <Hobbsee> and they're final, yes
[16:20] <Pici> slangasek just updated the -devel topic, so I guess we're good.
[16:21]  * Mez wonders whether tis worth upgrading today
[16:21] <Mez> (my chrooted upgrade went well with all the same packages - didnt even need to do a dselect-upgrade
[16:30] <Hobbsee> rc is out, yes
[16:32] <LjL> did we get some server failure that broke +J?
[16:33] <Pici> I had got a bunch of wallops when I was alseep about cycling servers.
[16:34] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: neither cdimage.ubuntu.com nor releases shows the rc here yet...
[16:34] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: and it isn't a browser cache issue :)
[16:34] <Pici> thoreauputic: I think the mirrors are still syncing
[16:34] <thoreauputic> right
[16:35] <LjL> Pici: right, two servers were rebooted, but i was there when that happened
[16:36] <LjL> but now i'm in #gentoo-unregistered (from #gentoo) and ##overflow (from #freenode i guess)
[16:36] <Pici> LjL: We had a mass join a few hours ago
[16:36] <LjL> yup, i'm just seeing that
[16:36] <LjL> mass join and flood
[16:36] <LjL> i see the bots stopped the flood pretty fast, for one time in their life
[16:37] <LjL> although, err, they detected a mass join, but set +rR after the mass joiners had already started flooding
[16:37] <LjL> so i guess not *that* fast
[16:38] <LjL> Pici: second-timestamped logs pretty please?
[16:39] <LjL> oh, i see about the +J... [05:45] *** LjL has quit IRC (server dropped connection!
[16:39] <LjL> so when i was gone my server's turn came
[16:40] <LjL> weird though that i don't see the floodbots setting -J before that... so #ubuntu should have been involved too
[16:40] <LjL> but nobody seemed to have joined -unregged
[16:40] <Pici> LjL: Yes the did, I cleared it out
[16:40] <LjL> oh? my logs suck then
[16:41] <Pici> my typing is poor today, I keep missing letters.
[16:41] <LjL> or rather, i don't have logs for it at all
[16:41] <Pici> Do you still need the up to the second logs?
[16:41] <LjL> Pici: so at 3:45 utc a server split and the floodbots didn't move a finger about it? or what?
[16:42]  * Pici scrolls
[16:44] <LjL> i had a server initiated quit at 3:45, and during the same minute i reconnected (to leguin, i suppose) and ended up in ##overflow
[16:45] <Pici> LjL: No, they did the !netsplit thing then set -J at 23:45:12, then at 23:45:53 freenode set +J 2,5, at 23:46:32 the bot set -J again
[16:46] <LjL> Pici: and the folks joined #ubuntu-unregged at?
[16:46] <LjL> (i think i should make the bots force -J immediately if they see a +J that shouldn't be there... hopefully without that resulting in too many race conditions)
[16:47] <Pici> LjL: It looks like we only got 1 person.
[16:47] <LjL> uhm, then they worked after all
[16:47] <LjL> if you join ##overflow or #gentoo-unregistered, you'll see it's kinda different there
[16:48] <Pici> hm
[17:03] <nepbabu> is there a way to say 'be on topic' ?
[17:03] <nepbabu> i need it really quick
[17:03] <nepbabu> thanks!
[17:04] <mneptok> yes. simply stay on topic.
[17:04] <nepbabu> meeting's going on
[17:04] <nepbabu> mneptok: need help of ubotu
[17:04] <mneptok> where is this?
[17:04] <nepbabu> #ubuntu-np
[17:04] <nepbabu> thanks
[17:04] <Pici> !ot
[17:04] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[17:05] <nepbabu> Pici: need to s/ubuntu/ubuntu-np/g
[17:05] <nepbabu> :s
[17:05] <Pici> nepbabu: If they won't stop, the perhaps you should mute them.
[17:05] <nepbabu> okie then.. thanks
[18:48] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, techbw said: !!!it is much appreciated!!!!
[19:14] <Pici> !test
[19:14] <ubotu> Failed.
[19:29] <Myrtti> heads up at nerdsquad3210<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:42] <jussio1> hrm, Im heading out for a bit, but wth??? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=758536
[20:48] <nalioth> indeed.
[20:48] <Myrtti> they come and they go.
[20:48] <Myrtti> it's not official, so *shrug*
[20:53] <Myrtti> is anyone of you watching the xchat-gnome experience topyli is having at -ot
[22:18] <Pici> Ahaha... "By the way, Pidgin can do IRC. I recommend using that instead of xchat."
[22:20] <jussio1> hehe
[22:20] <Myrtti> muah
[22:22] <Myrtti> how does anyone even consider it
[22:22] <Myrtti> I'd recommend even chatzilla over pidgin
[22:22] <nalioth> lawn mowers can drive on public roadways, too  ( but it's a really bad idea )
[22:24] <jussio1> haha, nice example
[22:26] <Myrtti> wasn't there some piece of news once about a feller who decided to go buy soda from the store
[22:26] <Myrtti> with either a tank or a steam roller, can't remember which
[22:42] <Myrtti> eh.
[22:42] <Myrtti> "xchat-gnome-dbgsym: Depends: xchat-gnome (= 1:0.18-0ubuntu3) but 1:0.18-2ubuntu4 is to be installed"
[22:42] <Myrtti> okies.
[22:42] <Myrtti> nlol.
[22:42] <Myrtti> not funnay
[22:50] <stdin> give it a while for the archive at people.u.c to update
[22:54] <jussio1> !test
[22:54] <jussio1> hrm
[22:54] <jussio1> is our poor bot dead?
[23:03]  * PriceChild wonders why none of hte backups are in the channel
[23:04]  * PriceChild blames jussio1
[23:04] <jussio1> hehe
[23:05] <PriceChild> jussio1: own up, you kicked them didn't you.
[23:05] <jussio1> PriceChild: I have she_said, which I can rename to ubot5 if we need it.
[23:05] <jussio1> PriceChild: nope, I blame...ummm
[23:06] <jussio1> i dunno, someone
[23:11] <nalioth> ubotu: test
[23:11] <nalioth> He's dead, Jim.
[23:11] <jussio1> :/
[23:12]  * Jucato offers condolences
[23:12]  * jussio1 hands tissues around
[23:13] <nalioth> the ubot3 is working in other channels
[23:13] <PriceChild> autorems for whoever kicks the next bot out of channel.
[23:13] <nalioth> i've no idea why its' not working in #ubuntu
[23:14] <PriceChild> oh there isn't a mute is there? :/
[23:14] <nalioth> i removed it
[23:14] <PriceChild> nalioth: no message
[23:14] <nalioth> unless there are others i didn't see
[23:15] <PriceChild> nalioth: its catching up... working now
[23:15] <nalioth> i've sent a total of 3, PriceChild
[23:15] <nalioth> how many have you received?
[23:15] <PriceChild> i've gotten 2
[23:15] <nalioth> as i said, it works fine in other channels
[23:16] <nalioth> whoever has the keys to ubotwo, fire it up
[23:18] <jussio1> nalioth: last time I checked it was  broken
[23:19] <stdin> umm, ubot3 isn't in #ubuntu, so that'd be a reason
[23:19] <stdin> oh it *was*
[23:19] <stdin> nm
[23:20] <jussio1> I can have ubot5 join, but there a couple of non standard factoids.
[23:22] <jussio1> PriceChild: / nalioth, would you like ubot5 in there?
[23:22] <nalioth> stdin: it was not responding in #ubuntu (but works fine in the other channels it's in)
[23:22] <nalioth> jussio1: does it work?
[23:22] <jussio1> nalioth: works fine, but as I said, a few non standard factoids
[23:23] <stdin> anything that's likely to come up?
[23:23] <nalioth> jussio1: you don't rsync with s e v e a s' database?
[23:24] <jussio1> nalioth: no. in the channel its in we have a few things that we play with.
[23:24] <nalioth> jussio1: mmmkay.  not sure we want a bot that's not synced with the official factoid package
[23:24] <jussio1> nalioth: 1 moment
[23:36] <jussi01> meh, i fail
[23:39] <jussio1> now then
[23:39] <jussio1> !test
[23:40] <jussio1> nalioth: this db is standard, but a little old. the dutchmans site seems to be down. :/
[23:44] <nalioth> figures
[23:44] <jussio1> nalioth: yeah
[23:49] <jussio1> nalioth: 2 things, would you like the bot in #u, and do you have a db which is newer that you could put someplace I can wget it?
[23:55] <Myrtti> the db's should be dumped to a place accessible every day, imo.
[23:56] <Myrtti> all of the bots should
[23:57]  * jussio1 is wondering still if we want the bot in there...


[01:53] <designated> I'm running ubuntu 14.04 and installed maas 1.5 (default).  I have configured everything according to the documentation and nodes will pxe boot and sit at the mass-enlisting login screen but the node never shows up in maas, nor does it shutdown automatically.  any ideas where to start troubleshooting?
[21:06] <luttermann84> So... While trying to provision a server using MaaS, apt complained that the Packages file was gone! And it seens to be right, only Packages.bz2 and Packages.gz are avalible! What to do now?!
[21:07] <luttermann84> (it's in the pxe boot/installation, so it's not possible to interact!)


[10:53] <ikt> o_o
[10:54] <jea> hello
[10:56] <ikt> heya
[10:56] <ikt> what's going on?
[10:57] <jea> not too much
[10:57] <jea> just uni work
[10:57] <ikt> sounds like fun
[10:57] <ikt> what course?
[10:58] <jea> currently looking at COMP3301, which is operating systems architecture
[11:01] <ikt> is that part of comp sci?
[11:01] <ikt> or engineering
[11:01] <jea> software engineering
[11:02] <ikt> nice
[11:02] <ikt> do you have a job you do at the same time?
[11:02] <ikt> i'm kinda trapped working 5 days a week
[11:02] <ikt> not enough time to dedicate to study
[11:16] <ikt> http://www.open.edu.au/courses/it/swinburne-university-of-technology-bachelor-of-technology-information-systems--swi-cis-deg-2013
[11:17] <ikt> is what i'm going for
[11:17] <jea> oh sorry
[11:17] <jea> i do have a job, at a software company
[11:18] <jea> they are pretty flexible, so i work around my uni times
[11:18] <ikt> ah nice
[11:18] <ikt> that's what i'm going to start thinking about
[11:18] <ikt> but it's hard being online
[11:18] <jea> yeah
[11:18] <ikt> and I work at night
[11:18] <ikt> and the course tutorials etc are at night
[11:19] <jea> that would make it harder


[03:39] <Unit193> Think the bots are having fun yet again
[07:03] <Unit193> Should I even bother to say something about floodbots again?
[07:22] <Unit193> pangolin: Thanks for poking them :)
[07:23] <pangolin> :)
[09:11] <Unit193> I don't even....
[09:48] <bkerensa> heh
[16:59] <EvilResistance> when's the next irc council meeting?  and are those meetings public?
[17:00] <k1l> EvilResistance: yep. there should be a link at the wiki page
[17:00] <pleia2> EvilResistance: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[17:00] <k1l> (link is in the topic)
[17:00] <pleia2> and meetings are always in #ubuntu-meeting (public and logged)
[17:10] <topyli> you can also study minutes from the past meetings and get an idea what they tend to be about


[00:59] <shadeslayer> lolwot
[01:00] <shadeslayer> trying to install the kubuntu-desktop task will pull in kde-workspace
[01:00] <shadeslayer> but installing kubuntu-desktop the meta package will not?
[01:00]  * shadeslayer checks seeds
[01:01] <shadeslayer> indeed
[01:02] <shadeslayer> I see kde-workspace-bin but no kde-workspace
[01:02] <shadeslayer> oh meh
[01:02] <shadeslayer> does kde-workspace serve any purpose?
[01:02] <shadeslayer> mostly seems empty
[01:03] <shadeslayer> should probably be dropped from the task as well
[01:06] <ScottK> That's going to pull in kdm.
[01:06] <ScottK> So probably.
[01:07] <ScottK> Actuall, it won't.
[01:07] <ScottK> Why do you want to remove it?
[01:40] <freeflying_>
[05:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: because it's empty and serves no purpose?
[06:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: it's the meta package that pulls in all kde-workspace packages
[08:07] <Riddelll> hola
[08:10] <jussi> Morning Riddelll with 3 l's
[08:16] <tazz> Morning Riddelll with 2 l's
[08:16] <tazz> oops
[08:16] <tazz> The joke is on me :-/ *Sigh*
[08:17] <jussi> tazz: the joke is _always_ on you :P
[08:18] <tazz> thanks for pointing that out jussi.
[08:18] <tazz> :p
[08:18]  * jussi hugs tazz
[08:18]  * tazz hugs jussi back
[13:17] <jtechidna> claydoh: connection issues?
[13:45] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: the share printers error you sent me is still happening? I did some tests but I  can't reproduce it...
[14:03] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you'd do the print manager for precise (PPA) so I could try it.
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: uhm, then why is it not seeded into desktop?
[15:05] <cmagina> ugh, nepomuk/akonadi the system killer. on my laptops with few files and small SSD's it doesn't cause issues, but on my desktop with half a terabyte of data and some large number of files it literally causes my system to be slower then windows on boot
[15:06] <cmagina> love watching akonadi-t consume twice the memory of firefox and an entire core, plus 2 nepmuk threads consuming 2 more cores on my system. pretty ridiculous
[15:07] <cmagina> ignoring the 5G and growing database file it has
[15:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: because we don't want *everything* from kde-workspace + a useless meta package
[15:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: and generally it's a debian thing
[15:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe I'm missing something, but everything that kde-workspace pull
[15:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe I'm missing something, but everything that kde-workspace pull's in is already seeded ( need to check, but it seems that way )
[15:09] <shadeslayer> cmagina: leave it overnight
[15:10] <shadeslayer> that's what I did
[15:10] <cmagina> shadeslayer: done that before, but not with this most recent version
[15:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: if you're interested, kde-plasma-{desktop,netbook} depend on kde-workspace
[15:10] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[15:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/14/via-technologies-apc-8750-mobo-cpu-combo-on-sale-today/
[15:11] <yofel> shadeslayer: I don't know why we don't, but if it has no benefits, just leave it
[15:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:11] <cmagina> the problem seems to be that on boot it does a refresh of the index, causes lots of io on my system with tons of files
[15:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: I was just curious as to why the kubuntu-desktop task depends on it while the metapackage does not
[15:11] <shadeslayer> cmagina: uhh ... 0.o
[15:11] <yofel> ah, good question then
[15:11] <shadeslayer> I've never had that happen
[15:12] <yofel> I had that happen while I was still using a rotary HDD
[15:12] <yofel> made the desktop unresponsive for a minute
[15:12] <yofel> on every login
[15:12] <cmagina> it currently has 326,694 files in its index and is still going
[15:13] <cmagina> plasma takes about 20-30 seconds to start, and then its another 10 minutes for my disk to stop grinding
[15:13] <cmagina> software that gets started is responsive, kwin is responsive, just anything that has to access the disk is slow
[15:13] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:14] <shadeslayer> cmagina: how much memory did you allocate to virtuoso??
[15:14] <cmagina> default
[15:14] <cmagina> so, i think its what, 50m
[15:14] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:15] <cmagina> the other nasty part is the database is now 5G. thats a bit too big for my comfort. granted my 1.5TB drive doesn't care, but if it creates something like that on my laptop's 128G ssd's, that would be too big
[15:16] <cmagina> the memory leak is definitely gone though
[15:17] <cmagina> is there a nepomuk/akonadi channel?
[15:18] <yofel> there's definitely #akonadi, but I don't know where the nepomuk folks sit
[15:19] <shadeslayer> #nepomuk-kde
[15:19] <shadeslayer> that's where :)
[15:19] <yofel> #kontact would be another place for kdepim related akonadi talk
[15:19] <shadeslayer> for virtuoso issues, #openlink-virtuoso
[15:20] <cmagina> pretty sure these issues are all to do with the file indexer
[15:20] <shadeslayer> cmagina: yeah, there was a patch upstream for the mem leak, I backported it
[15:20] <shadeslayer> they usually are
[15:20] <cmagina> and i tested it :)
[15:20] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:20] <cmagina> thanks for that. i saw the patch hit the bug i was watching for it
[15:21] <shadeslayer> but I just left it running overnight to do it's thing, and it's not consuming alot of resources now
[15:21] <yofel> the BIG database file is related to strigi, it was 3G here before I deleted it and turned strigi off
[15:21] <cmagina> yeah, figured as much
[15:22] <yofel> oh fun, seems like they fixed ktimetracker upstream
[15:23] <cmagina> i'll see about posting/updating some bugs over on bugs.k.o on these issues (found one where it looks like the indexer never removes, always adds)
[15:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm, that VIA board is ARMv6 too :/
[15:27]  * yofel is still waiting for his raspi
[15:28] <shadeslayer> oh, you ordered a RasPi?
[15:28] <yofel> yep
[15:28] <shadeslayer> you can run KDE on that tiny amount of RAM :P
[15:28] <yofel> yay :D
[15:28] <shadeslayer> just disable nepomuk and akonadi
[15:28] <yofel> haha
[15:29] <shadeslayer> oh and word of advice, install the rootfs on a external HDD, or, get a class 10 SD Card
[15:29] <yofel> will do, need to get a new one though. All I have here is a spare 8GiB Class 4 one which won't work
[15:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: amarok homepage isn't updated for 2.6?
[15:56] <Riddell> maybe a Promote to Front Page tickbox needs ticked?
[15:56] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/amarok-26
[15:57] <Mamarok> Riddell: of course it is: http://amarok.kde.org
[15:57] <Riddell> Mamarok: top item is amarok 2.5 here
[15:57] <Riddell> Mamarok: try it without being logged in?
[15:57] <Mamarok> erase your cache
[15:58] <Mamarok> it is published with the promote to front page ticked
[15:58] <Riddell> w3m amarok.kde.org    shows amarok 2.5
[15:59] <Mamarok> Riddell: what browser do you use?
[15:59] <Mamarok> and it can't show amarok 2.5, that would have been 3 articles back
[15:59] <rdieter> Mamarok: I can confirm Riddell's experiences, i don't see any 2.6 reference on amarok.kde.org either, using any browser
[16:01] <Mamarok> try refreshing now
[16:01] <Mamarok> apparently the tick was set on the 2.5 article
[16:01] <Riddell> works now
[16:01] <rdieter> better
[16:01] <ScottK> Yes.  And it came in English instead of German this time too.  Double win.
[16:02] <Mamarok> sorry, I assumed that tick was removed long ago, as we had 2 other articles since
[16:17] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: I'm about to do a new release now (I've fixed your 2 issues and another TODO), can you confirm you still have the share printer error?
[16:30] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: let me see
[16:32] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: yep http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/printer.png
[16:33] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: which cups version?
[16:34] <Riddell> 1.6.1-0ubuntu2
[16:34] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: did you build with the CUPS_1_6 flag on?
[16:35] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: yes
[16:35] <dantti_laptop> and did you click system preferences  -> share printers connected to this system or on the checkbox bellow the printer name?
[16:36] <Riddell> system preferences  -> share printers connected to this system
[16:38] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: hmm that's odd it works on cups 1.6 at home, can you send your cups.conf file and the groups output so I can test at home?
[16:39] <dantti_laptop> hmm how odd, I just get this error with cups 1.5 :P
[16:39] <dantti_laptop> have tested that thing many times..
[16:40] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: how do you mean groups output?
[16:41] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: well depending on which group your user is your cups config might or might not work..
[16:41] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cupsd.conf
[16:42] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/535010/
[16:45] <Riddell> hmm now my cups server has really broken and won't start
[16:45] <dantti_laptop> ok you are on lpadmin so you shouldn't have this kind of issue
[16:45] <dantti_laptop> won't start?
[16:48] <Riddell> seems there's something wrong with the latest cups in ubuntu, I upgraded another machine and it won't start there too
[17:02] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: ok, there was a part in the code that used was comparing the cups error string, but it is translated so it should work now, please test last git if you can
[17:03] <dantti_laptop> at least here I can't see that message anymore
[17:05] <Riddell> cloning...
[17:11] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: yay that fixed it :)
[17:12] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: cool, actually If the server takes too much time to restart you will still see that message so I'm fixing this issue in another place too :P
[17:15] <dantti_laptop> ok done, I'm going to prepare a new release now and do a review request :)
[19:23] <ScottK> claydoh: Can you work on 12.04.1 release notes?  It should be a matter of updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu to reflect stuff we've changed since the release.
[19:31] <ScottK> claydoh: You can ignore the common infrastructure bits.  Someone else will do that.
[19:31] <ScottK> apachelogger_: What releases are the fix you did for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296944 in?
[19:41] <claydoh> ScottK: ok, will be a few days or so friday or later , any significant changes other than KDE version ?
[19:42] <ScottK> claydoh: Probably some bugs fixed.  I know the kmix one it.
[19:42] <shadeslayer> should be in 4.9.0
[19:43] <shadeslayer> because he fixed it 2 months ago
[20:54] <Riddell> ScottK: print-manager is in ~jr PPA for precise amd64
[20:55]  * ScottK has i386, so I'll wait.
[20:55] <Riddell> poor old i386 has taken many hours to compile and isn't at the top of the list yet
[20:55] <Riddell> estimated 1 hour
[21:00]  * Daskreech misses the update systray telling me how many updates I have
[22:55] <claydoh> I can't seem to get along with launchpad 0 how do
[22:56] <claydoh> how do I search for kubuntu bugs properly? Specifically ones fixed foe 12.04.1?
[23:15] <gotwig> morning devs
[23:15] <gotwig> how can I register a translator account for kde?
[23:20] <d_ed> gotwig: you may want to also ask #kde-i18n
[23:20] <gotwig> thx
[23:20] <gotwig> good night :-)
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: click the update systray icon, and in Muon Update Manager go to Settings -> Notification Settings. there's a checkbox for that in there
[23:41] <Daskreech> Yeah I know now. I was going to say wonder if there could be a configuration for that. Then I decided to check....
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> Hey, when I dumb down my software, I at least keep the options open to the power users :P
[23:42] <Daskreech> :-)
[23:43]  * jocarter hates the state of everything being dumbed down and more and more options being removed
[23:43] <jocarter> GRRRR
[23:43] <Daskreech> where is that happening?
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> well, I have a fairly good reason for this one at least... most people don't care about the number of packages being updated. I've seen people not want to update because the *number* of pacakges was too high, when it really wasn't more than 10 MiB of updates.
[23:45] <Daskreech> that would be me but then i read through the changelogs of all the packages
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> so by default the Muon Update Manager only expands the list of applications that have updates, and emphasises the total download size rather than number of packages
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> well, except in the case of security updates. it expands that list because it's important
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[23:46] <cmagina> i find the muon updater much better then the default ubuntu updater :)
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> <3
[23:47] <cmagina> very nice work
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> thank you
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> to change the subject completely, lol: http://r-wos.org/hacks/gti
[23:47] <cmagina> i've seen some really nice changes in the latest (quantal) software center too; show technical, etc. so thanks for those too :)
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> it also won't boot you back to the main screen when it gets done commiting package changes. you can thank apol for that one
[23:49] <cmagina> awesome gti
[23:49] <cmagina> apoi_: thanks much for the "don't kick back to home" in muon
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> that's not apol, he's not on right now. usually has either the apol or apol_ nick
[23:50] <cmagina> i've seen some fun aliasing in bash/zsh files to work around command typos
[23:50] <cmagina> ah, ok, i'll thank him next time i see him around
[23:51] <jocarter> lol, a mk1
[23:51] <cmagina> oh yeah, apoi...brain ignored the i
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah I've done that too


[09:15] <rindolf> Hi all.  what is the equivalent of «git show [commit-id]» in bzr? I want the diff of an individual commit/revision.
[09:22]  * rindolf found bzr diff -c
[11:59] <LeoNerd> Yah; the -c is the "change" introduced at some number; i.e. the diff between that and its previous
[14:41] <throstur> is it possible to mark a file as "revision-less" in bzr, (eg. for binary files) ?


[09:22] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> What packages are needed to rebuild the kernel?
[09:28] <ogra_> the build dependencies of the kernel package indeed
[09:38] <apw> 22:57:48*           bjf | j4s0nmchr1st0s, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[09:38] <apw> if those two arn't sufficient answer, you need to help us with a more comprehensive question
[11:38] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> apw: fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /ubuntu/ubuntu-3.X.X-XX-generic.git
[11:52] <apw> j4s0nmchr1st0s, <release> is the ubuntu release codename, trusty or whatever
[11:54] <apw> j4s0nmchr1st0s, the example 2 lines below makes this clearer
[11:58] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> apw: 2 lines below what
[12:00] <jpds> j4s0nmchr1st0s: The git section you copied and pasted.
[12:08] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> nope
[12:13] <apw>     git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-<release>.git
[12:13] <apw> For example to obtain the precise tree:
[12:13] <apw>     git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git
[12:14] <apw> i think you were using that from the wiki?  if not where did you get it from so i can delete it
[12:17] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> apw: the link you posted
[12:17] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> It says to use uname -r
[12:18] <apw> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[12:18] <apw> that ?
[12:20] <apw> j4s0nmchr1st0s, ^
[12:22] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> yes
[12:22] <apw> that is a completely different command getting the source from a different source, and using differnt versioning
[12:22] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> quantal isnt on there
[12:22] <infinity> quantal is EOL.
[12:22] <apw> quantal is dead a buried
[12:22] <infinity> And has been for a long time.
[12:22] <apw> why on early would you want to build that
[12:23] <infinity> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-May/000184.html
[12:23] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> It is not legal to bury it.
[12:23] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> You are in violation of the liscence.
[12:23] <infinity> Uhm, no.
[12:23] <ogra_> huh ?
[12:24] <infinity> The sources are still available next to the binaries.
[12:24] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> Where?
[12:24] <infinity> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/
[12:24] <apw> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[12:24] <ogra_> but they likely have gaping security holes that will not be fixed
[12:26] <apw> and in fact regardless of the fact the source is in the archive (as infinity points out) the git repo is still available but in the ubuntu-archive directory
[12:26] <infinity> ogra_: s/likely/do/
[12:26] <ogra_> infinity, yeah, i didnt check, that made me careful ;)
[12:26] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> infinity: What is this link?
[12:26] <apw> yeah no likely on that, it has vast caverous security issues which are definatly not fixed
[12:26] <infinity> j4s0nmchr1st0s: That's a link to the pool where all your kernel binaries now live, as well as the source packages.
[12:26] <ogra_> right
[12:27] <apw> j4s0nmchr1st0s, that is a web url
[12:27] <infinity> j4s0nmchr1st0s: quantal isn't on archive.ubuntu.com anymore, and hasn't been for a long while.
[12:30] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> Is ogra_ infected?
[12:30] <ogra_> ??
[12:31] <ogra_> i think i'm rather healthy ... apart from slight overweight and a smokers cough
[12:31] <apw> :)
[12:34]  * ppisati still thinks we should have called P "pandemic platypus"
[12:34] <apw> is pandemic an adjective?  though english is much abused these days
[12:35] <infinity> ppisati: Pandemic doesn't exactly have that LTS ring to it.
[12:35] <apw> "profligate platypus"
[12:35] <ppisati> apw: isn't it? e.g. a pandemic disease
[12:35] <ppisati> a pandemic ogra_
[12:36] <ppisati> etcetc
[12:36] <infinity> ppisati: No, a pandemic is a thing.
[12:36] <ogra_> :)
[12:36] <apw> you don't to pandemic, you have a pandemic
[12:36] <ppisati> ahhhhhhhh
[12:36] <ppisati> ok
[12:36] <ogra_> would pandemical work ?
[12:37] <ogra_> or pandemistic ?
[12:38] <ppisati> hold on
[12:38] <ppisati> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/pandemic
[12:38] <ppisati> it's an adjective too
[12:39] <infinity> No one trusts Cambridge.
[12:52] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> The source isn't on here.
[12:52] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> Only for a revision.
[12:53] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> I want the sourcecode.
[12:57] <ogra_> j4s0nmchr1st0s, well, then grab the source package from old-releases.ubuntu.com ...
[13:08] <apw> j4s0nmchr1st0s, if you mean the git repo we made the source packages from, those are still in ubuntu-archive/ rather than ubuntu/ in the git line
[13:12] <apw> j4s0nmchr1st0s, though the source code for any released version is only definativly in the .dsc there
[13:44] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> apw: Is that on github?
[13:44] <apw> nope, take the original git url and s@ubuntu/@ubuntu-archive/@ on it
[13:45]  * apw still doesn't get why you don't just upgrade, that has to be easier than making your own kernel for a dead release
[13:47] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> Is that for all of the source or just the kernel apw ?
[13:47] <apw> that is just for the kernel
[13:48] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> Why are there so many objects?
[13:48] <apw> becasue it contains the entire history of the linux kernle up to 3.5 and every single release of that kernel we did, which was a lot
[13:49] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> Why does it contain the entire history?
[13:49] <apw> because it is a git repo of the kernel, that is how they work
[13:50] <apw> it is cirtainly not going to be smaller than the source pacakge for any specific kernel
[13:50] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> So ubuntu archives the entire kernel history for each release?
[13:50] <apw> the ubuntu kernel-team keeps the entire history of its kernels yes
[13:51] <apw> as each kernel is derivative of the same on going linux (linus') history, they can share objects locally
[13:52] <apw> and cirtainly that is what those of us who have 10 releases worth locally
[13:52] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> That doesn't seem necessary why would the team clone the entire linux history for each release and archive it, unless it is being built from freshly compiled older linux platforms?
[13:53] <apw> because that his how the git history is represented, as a history of the repo.  the archive repos also share objects
[13:53] <apw> if you only want the current version that is in the source .dsc for the version
[13:53] <apw> if you want the entire history of the version that is in the repo, and yes it is large
[13:53] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> Was git even around when linux 1 was released?
[13:54] <apw> no it was not, history starts at 2.6.12-rc2 iirc
[13:54] <apw> older history is somewhere, not in the main repo
[13:55] <apw> remember disk space is almost free in the GB range, and this is the logical and simplest form for it to take
[13:56] <apw> if you share the objects with a linux-linus tree, then the overhead is near 0
[13:59] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> What do you mean by 'free in the GB range'?
[14:00] <apw> a GB of disks is of the order of $0.00 in real money
[14:01] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> ?
[14:02] <infinity> j4s0nmchr1st0s: Translation: "disk is cheap, who cares about big git repositories".
[14:02] <apw> that, thanks
[14:03] <infinity> j4s0nmchr1st0s: We don't ship the full history in the ubuntu archive, only a checkout of the tag being built, but for the kernel team's work, it's valid and useful to have complete history to search, revert, cherry-pick, etc.
[14:03] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> It is bandwidth that is of concern.
[14:03] <infinity> j4s0nmchr1st0s: If bandwidth is really a concern, you don't want actually want a full git clone. :P
[14:03] <infinity> So why are you doing one?
[14:03] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> I need to connect to some high speed link to do this.
[14:04] <apw> or do a shallow clone
[14:04] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> If I see a fiber optic cable how can I splice it?
[14:04] <infinity> A shovel.
[14:05] <ogra_> an axe ... a very slim one ...
[14:05] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> I would have to know how they are transmitting over light.
[14:06] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> Is the backbone using open source drivers?
[14:10] <apw> unlikely they are using anything non-proprietary at this stage, the data and speeds of same they handle are astronomical
[14:14] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> Interesting to think about.
[14:18] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> That is where I am at.
[22:14] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> apw: Is ubuntu-archive on github, search found nothing.
[22:15] <apw> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-quantal.git
[22:15] <apw> or whatever the series is
[23:11] <j4s0nmchr1st0s> apw: Can git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-quantal.git be bookmarked on github?


[08:09] <knome> chrisccoulson, hey :)
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> m_conley_away, found another ctypes issue - mozilla bug 716873 ;)
[14:45] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 716873 in js-ctypes "Don't assume that all libraries opened with ctypes can be unloaded safely" [Normal,New: ] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716873
[18:58] <go8765> can i found some fresh .deb for  Instantbird ?
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> evening


[10:19] <jarnos> What kind of benefit I get of using 64 bit release rather than 32 bit release in mythbuntu client?
[10:19] <jarnos> Or server?
[10:21] <jarnos> I suppose, that if I don
[10:22] <jarnos> 't do conversion on the server, 64bit is not much needed.
[10:22] <jarnos> client=frontend, server=backend
[22:28] <Shadow__X> if you have more than 4gb of ram....
[22:28] <Shadow__X> i don't see why someone would voluntarily run 32bit at this point


[00:20] <Rayfloyd> Hi everyone, I'm trying to install 12.04.2 LTS, however after the install finishes configuring DHCP, the install gui closes... Are the servers down and it doesn't tell me or is it something else? Thanks for the ehlp.
[00:28] <Patrickdk> gui?
[00:33] <Rayfloyd> well the install screen
[00:36] <sarnold> Rayfloyd: are there error messages that you can find anywhere? try looking through all the virtual consoles..
[00:37] <Rayfloyd> I had left the pc open since it disappeared, just checked back and it's back
[00:37] <Rayfloyd> odd
[02:29] <dassouki> what do you guys recommend to add an opensource application that helps me share documents with my staff as well as assign them task (online interface)
[02:38] <delinquentme> Ok so lets say i'm staring to build out prototype devices
[02:39] <delinquentme> and I want to automate configuration and setup ... includes sshing in, downloading files via github, specificiying branches
[02:40] <delinquentme> would this be a better use of puppet or just a shell script
[02:40] <delinquentme> I guess depends on the scale ?
[03:51] <nate15329> 13.04 64x server had powerloss & memory damage, hangs on pci_bus resource mem x28-xfcffffffffff; any ideas?
[03:52] <nate15329> i removed the damaged memory as well
[05:19] <nate15329> ok...i have a pci_root PNP0A03:00: fail to add MMConfig information and then it hangs on pci_bus resource mem
[05:49] <thomasbiege> hi
[08:02] <morph> can someon eplease help me with my body
[08:02] <morph> ive been taking vicodin for 1 56 year
[08:02] <morph> todayi started laughing outso ba
[08:02] <morph> but they were good
[08:03] <morph> i havent been asleep ainsce 10. slept for 1 hrs. got up at 12:30
[08:07] <babinlonston> morph:
[08:08] <morph> yo
[08:08] <morph> oh woops
[08:08] <morph> chatted that in the wrong channel
[08:08] <morph> sry
[08:11] <babinlonston> lol
[09:09] <lotia> greetings all. in upstart (specifally the version on 12.04 LTS), is it possible for the job to have a "reload" action that sends a specific signal to the process?
[09:10] <sgran> reload sends HUP
[09:10] <sgran> if you need something else, I don't see a way to change it
[10:10] <lotia> I'm looking at haproxy, which has a "reload" command
[10:10] <lotia> @sgran thanks
[12:33] <Koheleth> hardly surprising mysql updates this morning
[13:11] <banzounet> Hey guys to update phpmyadmin, what else should  I do besides moving the new folder?
[13:21] <pehden-> what should the server 12.04 kernel be?
[13:23] <andol> pehden-: That depends :) If you did a fresh install from a point you might have a backported kernel installed
[13:23] <andol> pehden-: Otherwise the regular 12.04 kernel would now be something like 3.2.0-49*
[13:24] <pehden-> 3.2.0-48-generic
[13:24] <pehden-> hmm
[13:25] <pehden-> it wont go past this one
[13:25] <pehden-> every update says its keeping this one back
[13:27] <ogra_> pehden-, do you use dist-upgrade (as you should for kernel upgrades) ?
[13:27] <ogra_> just "ugrade" wont work ...
[13:27] <ogra_> *up
[13:28] <pehden-> eee
[13:28] <pehden-> see i want to only use LTS
[13:28] <ogra_> (see the description of upgrade ad dist-upgrade in the apt manpage)
[13:28] <ogra_> nobody will stop you :)
[13:28] <JanC> somebody should give dist-upgrade another name  :)
[13:28] <ogra_> ++
[13:28] <ogra_> :)
[13:28] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[13:28] <JanC> maybe an alias
[13:29] <pehden-> ahh ok
[13:29] <pehden-> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:29] <ogra_> yes
[13:29] <pehden-> ok
[13:29] <pehden-> wait is there a list of things removed before I do this
[13:30] <JanC> yes
[13:30] <pehden-> 3.2.0-48-generic #74-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 19:43:26 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:30] <pehden-> is what I have now...
[13:30] <pehden-> anyone know the link right off?
[13:31] <JanC> link for what?
[13:31] <pehden-> the list
[13:31] <JanC> apt-get will show you
[13:31] <pehden-> ok
[13:31] <JanC> just like it shows what it's about to install, upgrade or hold back
[13:32] <pehden-> i only have ssh access to this server so I dont want to screw it up
[13:32] <JanC> most likely it will remove nothing
[13:32] <andol> pehden-: Feels like you could use a dev environment, where you can do a bit of safe testing :)
[13:32] <andol> pehden-: Something like a local virtual machine or something.
[13:32] <pehden-> maybe, but this server is live
[13:33] <pehden-> looks like its only upgradeing the kernel
[13:33] <JanC> you already upgraded the other packages with 'upgrade'
[13:34] <pehden-> exactly
[13:34] <JanC> which is a good idea BTW, to always do upgrade before dist-upgrade
[13:34] <pehden-> i made a script that i use to update everything at once but this command is not on there
[13:36] <JanC> best to check the results of every upgrade command anyway
[13:37] <pehden-> oh yea, figured that out the hard way  a year ago
[13:37] <pehden-> ran upgrade and it removed programs i used and replaced them with alternatives I was furious
[13:38] <pehden-> until i learned how to use the alternatives
[13:39] <JanC> what programs were that?
[13:39] <pehden-> i dont remember that much
[13:42] <pehden-> it just removed nvidia driver i think
[13:42] <pehden-> and virtualbox
[13:42] <JanC> that wasn't on a server, I suppose  :)
[13:42] <pehden-> it was
[13:42] <pehden-> both were
[13:43] <pehden-> from the original install
[13:43] <pehden-> its a desktop converted to a server
[14:03] <bobz_zg> anyone can help please. I have installed wordpress on nginx, user group www-data, and have created new ftp user and added user to group, but when I upload files over FTP client my wordpress cannot read files?
[15:00] <roaksoax> Daviey: o/! if you have a second could you please process the crmsh binary from the NEW queue?
[15:02] <Daviey> roaksoax: done
[15:02] <roaksoax> Daviey: awesome, thanks!!
[15:25] <smb> zul, hallyn: In case one of you feeling adventurous... chinstrap:~smb/4review/qemu+xen.debdiff (for Saucy) ;)
[15:31] <hallyn> smb: looking
[15:32] <smb> hallyn, It is a cherry-pick of three supposedly stable worthy changes on top of qemu to avoid it segfaulting when used for a PV Xen guest and libxl.
[15:33] <hallyn> smb: the cp of commit 62fc403f11523169eb4264de31279745f48e3ecc drops a lot of the original commit
[15:33] <hallyn> how come?
[15:33] <hallyn> oh no
[15:33] <hallyn> lol.  weird formatting on my screen confused me
[15:34] <hallyn> smb: +1
[15:34] <smb> Ah ok... I was not sure I had done something like this
[15:34] <smb> :)
[16:02] <thafreak> So, I upgraded my test lxc box to the newer 3.8 kernel from raring
[16:02] <thafreak> and now it's saying the memory controller cgroup is missing
[16:03] <thafreak> is there a work around? or should i go back to the quantal kernel?
[16:13] <jsonperl> Patrickdk/sarnold: I declare the issue fixed!
[16:13] <jsonperl> open files limit was the problem
[16:30] <redderhs> Hi, the link in this message is in regards to an Open Source Computing to further the developments of hardware for the mobile industry. It's time for Linux to be the #1 Consumer Operating System, Ubuntu Edge movement! http://pastebin.com/j57Dc29E  We can all make a difference for as little as One Dollar! Thank You for your time.
[16:47] <genii> Hm.
[16:48] <sarnold> jsonperl: great success!
[16:48] <jsonperl> totally… the relief I am feeling this friday is magical
[16:48] <jsonperl> thanks so much for the help
[16:48] <patdk-wk> :)
[16:48] <sarnold> man, I'm both glad and embarrassed it was something so much simpler than I feared..
[16:49] <jsonperl> same
[16:49] <patdk-wk> ya, normally that issue is easily solved, cause of error logging
[16:49] <jsonperl> I'm actually digging through logs some more to make sure I didn't miss anything
[16:49] <patdk-wk> atleast the memory *leak* was fixed though too
[16:50] <patdk-wk> and a few other scalability issues that haven't hit yet :)
[16:50] <jsonperl> Yea some great stuff happened here…
[16:50] <jsonperl> We're just getting rolling too… This is just the beginning of scaling issues ;)
[16:50] <jsonperl> I switched all machines to 64 bit after jemalloc magically fixed "the leak"
[16:50] <jsonperl> Also… btw… jemalloc NO LIKE 32 bit
[16:51] <patdk-wk> I have never used jemalloc on 32bit
[16:51] <patdk-wk> no wonder I never hit that issue
[16:51] <jsonperl> And you should not :D
[16:51] <jsonperl> I got random segfaults after running for a while
[16:52] <jsonperl> Yea really… NOTHING in the logs
[16:53] <patdk-wk> not suprised
[16:54] <patdk-wk> normally issues like this is what drive poeple to worry about spending time to add them
[16:55] <jsonperl> Found some good articles about tweaks for scaling
[16:55] <jsonperl> One from urban airship about 500,000 concurrents! http://urbanairship.com/blog/2010/09/29/linux-kernel-tuning-for-c500k/
[17:09] <sarnold> hah, nice, when c10k is just too damned cute :)
[17:10] <jsonperl> now THAT is some serious scale
[17:12] <sarnold> wow, their guide has -way- less in it than used to be necessary for scaling out to even 1/100th that load.
[17:12] <sarnold> and their advice for limits is just plain wrong ;) hehe
[17:13] <jsonperl> which ones do you feel are wrong
[17:14] <sarnold> jsonperl: you found out the other day that limits.conf is only used if the user's processes are started via the PAM stack somehow, which isn't terribly likely for production servers..
[17:15] <sarnold> granted, I think they knew that they didn't know what they were doing with the caveat about "look at the manpage" but not say -which- of the myriad manpages would be enlightening. :)
[17:15] <jsonperl> correct… so obviously that one was way off!
[17:15] <sarnold> jsonperl: did you set your maximum socket buffers to 16MB as well?
[17:15] <jsonperl> yep :/
[17:16] <sarnold> jsonperl: give this a skim and then consider dropping it :)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_bloat
[17:16] <jsonperl> net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096 4096 16777216; net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 4096 4096 16777216
[17:16] <jsonperl> k
[17:16] <jsonperl> what do you think are more sain levels?
[17:16] <jsonperl> sane
[17:16] <sarnold> 16M might be fair enough for locally connected gigabit or huge latency fat pipes (transatlantic? transpacific?)
[17:17] <sarnold> jsonperl: probably 512K or so.
[17:17] <jsonperl> We certainly get some pretty latent connections… but not THAT much data
[17:17] <jsonperl> maybe 2k/s
[17:18] <jsonperl> so more like 4096 4096 524288
[17:20] <jsonperl> Looks like the default is 4096	87380	6291456
[17:21] <sarnold> that seems pretty sane. how many connections will you have? multiply that by the middle number and hopefully it'll still be reasonable..
[17:23] <jsonperl> We're really not looking for more tha 400 or so concurrent per machine
[17:23] <jsonperl> At that point we'll start to see cpus chuggin
[17:46] <patdk-wk> ya, I only use 256 to 1meg on mine
[17:46] <sarnold> patdk-wk: maximum or default?
[17:47] <patdk-wk> max
[17:48] <sarnold> cool, thanks :)
[17:48] <patdk-wk> now, I did adjust my tc rules for outgoing though :)
[17:49] <patdk-wk> if more than 10 packets are waiting to go out, 11+ get dropped
[17:49] <patdk-wk> so doubt I ever hit that limit anymore :)
[17:49] <sarnold> haha
[17:49] <patdk-wk> ya, used to really annoy me
[17:49] <sarnold> tc has been on my todo list for a decade now..
[17:49] <patdk-wk> scp transfer done, and then wait 5min for the buffer to flish
[17:49] <patdk-wk> flush
[17:50] <patdk-wk> it's limited 10 per class
[17:51] <patdk-wk> also figured out how to proplerly match my *prenat* ip's so they match correctly in outgoing
[17:51] <patdk-wk> that really fixed my ruleset I had made
[20:46] <soren> Does anyone happen to know if restarting iscsid will cause existing connections to be dropped?
[20:47] <patdk-wk> defently, why wouldn't it?
[20:48] <pdevine> users love it when storage goes away
[20:48] <patdk-wk> well, that shouldn't cause a user an issue
[20:48] <soren> patdk-wk: Because the iscsi daemon is just provides the control plane.
[20:48] <patdk-wk> as it should auto-reconnect
[20:49] <soren> patdk-wk: The kernel itself provides the data plane.
[20:49] <streulma> hello what is errors=remount-ro in /etc/fstab?
[20:49] <soren> patdk-wk: So it should necessarily cause the connections to be dropped.
[20:49] <patdk-wk> soren, never been my experience
[20:49] <patdk-wk> always dropped when I restarted
[20:49] <soren> patdk-wk: Ok, thanks.
[20:49] <patdk-wk> had to use the command thing to adjust it, if I didn't want to restart to drop it
[20:49] <patdk-wk> but this might have changed
[20:50] <soren> patdk-wk: I'm not saying they won't, I'm just responding to your "why wouldn't it".
[20:50] <patdk-wk> considering the this is from 8.04 :)
[20:51] <soren> streulma: It tells the kernel what to do in case of errors.
[20:51] <soren> streulma: remount-ro means "remount the filesystem as read-only".
[20:51] <streulma> soren: on boot or on running?
[20:51] <patdk-wk> as in, disk went missing, unable to read from disk, writes failing to disk, ...
[20:51] <patdk-wk> anytime
[20:52] <patdk-wk> if you yank the disk out, it will take 30seconds, then go ro mode
[20:52] <soren> streulma: Other options: "continue" (pretend like nothing happened) and "panic" (make the entire system fall over)
[20:52] <soren> streulma: Running.
[20:52] <pdevine> what is /var/lib/dpkg/cmethopt used for?
[20:52] <pdevine> s/^/does anyone know/
[20:53] <pdevine> I'm going through debootstrap and was just curious
[20:53] <soren> pdevine: IIRC, it's a config file for dselect.
[20:56] <pdevine> I love peeling the onion back on this stuff.  it's like an archeological expedition
[20:59] <pdevine> I discovered the other day that dpkg can't handle pre-depends correctly.. and today discovered a comment in debootstrap complaining about how dpkg doesn't handle pre-depends
[21:00] <pdevine> I wish I'd known that last week.  :-D
[23:00] <nate15329> my server gets stuck at here time to time any ideas? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5916517/
[23:04] <mic_> nate15329: did you do the usual suspect removal?
[23:04] <mic_> nate15329: aka noacpi acpi=off
[23:04] <mic_> ?
[23:04] <mic_> also which kernel is there?
[23:07] <nate15329> 3.8.0-26-generic; i tried removing my pci-x sata card recently; but no change...weird part is that it hangs there even in recovery mode, but in normal mode this sometimes happens
[23:09] <nate15329> ill try the noacpi & acpi=off on next boot; i got it up temporary for a quick backup
[23:10] <mic_> another option would be to go for a different kernel
[23:10] <mic_> pick something from the lower shelf.
[23:10] <nate15329> tried that as well...the one below it
[23:10] <mic_> is it some ancient hardware?
[23:10] <nate15329> which i think is 3.8.0-18 or so
[23:10] <mic_> commodity or server?
[23:10] <mic_> nate15329: by lower shelf I was thinking like reaaaaally lower ;)
[23:11] <nate15329> server 13.04 hp dl385 g1...old hardware indeed
[23:11] <mic_> nate15329: 3.x & 2.6.x
[23:11] <mic_> G1?
[23:11] <mic_> a bit old, indeed.
[23:11] <nate15329> lol yep g1
[23:12] <mic_> acpi and HPET if available
[23:12] <mic_> disable and check
[23:12] <mic_> and with such hardware - go lower with kernels
[23:12] <mic_> and as I wrote - seriously lower ;)
[23:12] <nate15329> does older kernels support sata II drives?
[23:13] <mic_> no problem
[23:14] <nate15329> ok how would i install 2.6.x kernels on 13.04 xD
[23:15] <mic_> I haven't tried 13.04
[23:15] <mic_> I did downgrade 12.04.02 once from 3.5 to 3.2
[23:15] <sarnold> nate15329: try booting a lucid livecd on it first or something similar, make sure it works at all..
[23:16] <mic_> yes, that's a sane suggstion
[23:16] <mic_> (sorry, I am up at work for 14 hours now ;)
[23:18] <sarnold> oh that's trouble :)
[23:18] <sarnold> ;q
[23:22] <nate15329> ah yeah i will...mostly i perfer running the latest though xD


[12:39] <ubotu> New bug: #145288 in xorg (main) "[Gutsy Tribe 5]  blank screen on live cd bootup, x doesn't load" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145288
[12:44] <bdmurray> Has anyone heard of a bug with fglrx and too much memory? approximately 3GB?
[01:02] <bryce_> too *much*?  nope
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #145403 in xorg (main) "after upgrade from feisty, image distorsioned on screen with resolutions lower than 1024x768" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145403
[01:18] <bdmurray> bryce_: it is bug 141439
[01:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141439 in linux-meta "Laptop nc8430, 4GB Ram and fglrx" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141439
[01:20] <bryce_> bdmurray: sounds kernel-ish
[01:20] <bryce_> bdmurray: fglrx (and -nvidia) are such black boxes, though, god only knows what they're doing to cause this issue
[01:21] <bdmurray> I'd need to go shopping to test it
[01:25] <bryce_> I just ordered 6G more mem for my new intel box :-)
[01:27] <bdmurray> 6G more?
[01:28] <bryce_> total 8G
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #145439 in xserver-xorg-video-via (main) "xserver-xorg-video-via does not show tooltips properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145439
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #145501 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "laptop screen remains on with external monitor and lid closed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145501
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #145620 in xorg (main) "[gutsy]  X crashes when 2nd monitor is attached to Notebook" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145620
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126635 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Cycling through display modes fails with nv driver and NVIDIA 8400M GS" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126635
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126995 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Logging out displays garbage on screen, with nv driver and NVIDIA 8400M GS" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126995
[06:37] <ubotu> New bug: #145646 in xorg (main) "gutsy beta: xserver failed on laptop with ati radeon 9700" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145646
[08:44] <ubotu> New bug: #145715 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "Ati Radeon 9200 extremely slow in Gutsy" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145715
[08:59] <ubotu> New bug: #145670 in xorg (main) "Gutsy Beta does not recognize ATI Radeon Xpress 200G Series" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145670
[09:24] <ubotu> New bug: #145621 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "nVidia 7400 GO not detected by failsafe X" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145621
[09:49] <bryce_> awesome, albert got a fix for 127008
[09:49] <bryce_> tweaked version of my patch
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #145779 in xserver-xorg-video-vesa (main) "tvout not working with radeon 9200" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145779
[10:17] <jcristau_> haha. tvout not working with vesa. who would have thought
[10:26] <tepsipakki> :)
[10:59] <tepsipakki> bryce_: yep, that should do for gutsy..
[11:38] <bdmurray> bryce_: Is 133824 fixed?  I didn't notice it with dailies earlier this week.
[11:38] <bdmurray> Rather do you know if it is fixed.
[11:40] <bryce_> yup, should be fixed
[11:40] <bryce_> have them test against -beta to be sure
[12:06] <bdmurray> I have the same chipset so will give it a whirl
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #57525 in xresprobe (main) "fails on ATI Mobility X700 (Acer TravelMate 8100)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57525