[06:40] <punkass> when u close the lid, sometimes the lcd comes on when u open it, sometimes it doesnt
[06:41] <punkass> screen saver mode kicked it, and the lcd went off = good, hit a key/mouse button and the screen doesnt come back = bad
[06:42] <WW> I just upgraded my kernel to <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686, and X fails when I boot.  Is there a corresponding linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 in the works?
[06:42] <LeeColleton> my Thinkpad X30 will suspend but it won't wake up.  This is with ACPI support disabled and the apm module loaded
[06:42] <elim> did u update the xserver too?
[06:43] <WW> elim: I did (effectively) dist-upgrade (Mark All Upgrades, and Smart Update in Synaptic).
[06:44] <WW> The same thing happened the last time I changed the kernel and forget to get the restricted modules.  This time, I don't see a new package for the restricted modules.
[06:45] <mxpxpod> does the ubuntu gnome-panel have one of those gnome menu stripes like ximian has?
[06:45] <punkass> doh now the laptops not powering down right
[06:46] <jono> hi all
[06:46] <jono> anyone know how to replace a windows boot sector with fdisk?
[06:46] <Agrajag> fdisk /mbr
[06:46] <tseng> windows fdisk?
[06:46] <tseng> yeah, what he said.
[06:47] <Agrajag> but if you're using NT you should prbably use fixboot and fixmbr from the recovery console
[06:50] <punkass> ah i see, it updated grub and overwrote menu.lst and took out my nolapic
[06:51] <Kamion> punkass: there's a place you can put options that doesn't get overwritten when update-grub is called
[06:51] <Kamion> it actually looks like a comment, the syntax is weird
[06:51] <punkass> oh, ok thanks...ill look in to it
[06:52] <loopback1> First time user of an IRC so I am not certain what to do or the house rules. Please bear with me. I've just installed Ubuntu and am excited about it. I'd like to start off adding Java and Flash. But I'm not sure how to go about it. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Thanks.
[06:52] <ggi> punkass: This line: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
[06:53] <deFrysk> loopback1, download the jaba.bin from java.com
[06:53] <deFrysk> java.bin
[06:53] <deFrysk> or j2re.bin
[06:53] <deFrysk> whatever
[06:53] <deFrysk> klick the download now! button
[06:54] <deFrysk> and do not choose the .rpm.bin download
[06:54] <deFrysk> just the .bin download
[06:54] <ggi> loopback1: Look here: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[06:54] <LeeColleton> loopback1: you can get the macromedia flash modules from here: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[06:55] <deFrysk> and what ggi said
[06:55] <deFrysk> and what LeeColleton said
[06:56] <rcaskey> hrmm, anyone here burned warty-ppc on OS X.3?
[06:56] <rcaskey> Disk Copy seems to crap out with it
[06:56] <rcaskey> burned other isos fine though
[06:58] <Treenaks> maybe your disk is b0rked?
[06:58] <LeeColleton> loopback1: you have to run the installer program from a terminal with sudo, like this: sudo ./flashplayer-installer
[06:58] <Treenaks> I've noticed CD-R quality has been dropping almost to floppy levels lately
[06:59] <LeeColleton> Applications > System Tools > Terminal
[06:59] <psi> loopback1: firefox can install flash automatically when you encounter a flash animation
[06:59] <Treenaks> LeeColleton: it also works if you just click the 'install plugin' button in firefox..
[07:00] <Treenaks> LeeColleton: at least, that worked for me
[07:00] <deFrysk> psi, does that work ?
[07:00] <Treenaks> deFrysk: yes
[07:00] <deFrysk> wow
[07:00] <deFrysk> wll java did not hehe
[07:00] <deFrysk> tried that one
[07:00] <Treenaks> don't even have to restart the fox
[07:00] <deFrysk> cool
[07:00] <LeeColleton> Treenaks: Firefox always says "you need to install flash" so I figured it was broken and installed it manually
[07:01] <loopback1> D**n! Quick reply. I'll check it out.  One other quick question. This is my first Debian distro. Can I download a debian package and the use apt-get to install it? I mean like: apt-get install (path-package).  Thanks.
[07:01] <Kosai> loopback1: You can use 'dpkg -i <filename>' for that.
[07:03] <Qo-noS> loopback1: 'apt-get update && apt-get install package' will fetch the package you want along with its dependencies and dpkg does the actual installation with debconf taking care the configuration
[07:04] <LeeColleton> zepo: just type the first few letters of someones nick and hit TAB
[07:04] <loopback1> I've done a apt-cache search java along with many other combinations and nothing comes up. I figure I not keying it in correctly.
[07:05] <Elfir3> hi
[07:05] <LeeColleton> zepo: saying "my monitor goes black" isn't very descriptive.  Is it at random?  Does your computer shutdown or crash?
[07:05] <zepo> i have a problem with my monitor...sometimes when i open some apps ...
[07:05] <Treenaks> zepo: which apps?
[07:05] <zepo> becomes black and for that all the system freeze
[07:06] <inklingx> about apt: how can one see the changelog of a new package?
[07:06] <zepo> like file .AVI
[07:06] <zepo> and for example
[07:06] <Elfir3> Treenaks: winxp :p
[07:06] <Treenaks> Elfir3: :P
[07:06] <zepo> ...when the screensaver start my monitor becomes black
[07:06] <Qo-noS> loopback1: besides the link that I gave you in pm there's another one here that might be of interest to you > http://jetblackz.cjb.net/ > scroll down to the one on Installing Java and making it work in Mozilla, Firefox, etc
[07:06] <Treenaks> zepo: what kind of video card do you have?
[07:06] <zepo> ... and a little bit after freeze the system
[07:07] <zepo> ok.. wait
[07:07] <zepo> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 04)
[07:07] <zepo> the computer is an Acer laptop
[07:07] <Treenaks> I'm not familiar with the Intel video chip..
[07:08] <Qo-noS> inklingx: apt-get install apt-listchanges
[07:08] <zepo> :(
[07:08] <merriam> loopback1: searching "java" on ubuntulinux.org tells you why.  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view?searchterm=java
[07:09] <tardmac> anyone here use ubuntu with amd64?
[07:09] <LeeColleton> zepo: I've noticed that my IBM laptop does that sometimes.
[07:09] <zepo> ahh really interesting
[07:09] <zepo> we must resolve this problem
[07:10] <loopback1> Get off subject a bit, with the Gnome 2.8 that comes with Ubuntu I don't have a 'windows shade' with it. Love that option. Am I missing something. Is it somewhere else or is it missing? Qo-noS. thats for the link. I'm visting them all.
[07:10] <inklingx> Qo-noS: thx!
[07:11] <deFrysk> loopback1, as soon as x.ors supports that stuff it wil be availabler in gnome afaIk
[07:11] <deFrysk> x.org*
[07:12] <merriam> deFrysk: he's talking about window shading -- nothing to do with fancy graphics
[07:13] <Agrajag> yeah, that hasn't been in metacity since gnome 2.4
[07:13] <Agrajag> deFrysk: what
[07:13] <Agrajag> it has nothing to do with ms
[07:13] <deFrysk> oh ?
[07:13] <loopback1> Yes, it comes with Gnome 2.4 and 2.6. I can fine it with 2.8.
[07:13] <Agrajag> it's the act of drawing up the window so it's just the titlebar
[07:13] <LeeColleton> zepo: I'm going to try something.. I'll be back
[07:13] <merriam> loopback1: if you want more features, including shading, try sawfish
[07:14] <almostlucky> hmmm. Totem doesnt seem to have any video when I play an avi, but there is sound
[07:14] <loopback1> Window shade is an option that allows one to draw up a window. You end up a a 'bar' where the window is.
[07:14] <Agrajag> almostlucky: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[07:14] <deFrysk> loopback1, oh i see
[07:15] <Agrajag> totem-xine seems to work better but I still have that same problem sometimes
[07:15] <deFrysk> yes it does not work
[07:15] <Agrajag> I ended up installing xine
[07:15] <loopback1> Thanks to all. I'll be back.
[07:16] <Treenaks> I've found another bug :)
[07:16] <almostlucky> Agrajag, gstreamer
[07:17] <almostlucky> i will try xine
[07:17] <Treenaks> no, if I close the lid of my laptop the screen is blanked...
[07:17] <Treenaks> only problem is: it's not un-blanked when I re-open the lid..
[07:18] <merriam> almostlucky: restricted formats again.  you have to fetch restricted codecs.  ubuntu can't distribute them
[07:19] <almostlucky> merriam, ah, that makes sense
[07:20] <merriam> Treenaks: turn off the blanking option in the bios.  there are often problems like that with energy saving.  blanking via the screensaver probably still works
[07:21] <Treenaks> merriam: that doesn't seem to be it.. it's different..
[07:22] <merriam> what's different?
[07:23] <dablitz> i have an 8139too nic and the system just will not install it, check kernel several times. hangs up on dhcp discover. any ideas
[07:23] <Treenaks> merriam: I know the problem now.. my X server crashes if a window is mapped when the X vt is not active (i.e. it chvt'ed to vt12, as the blanker does)...
[07:23] <Treenaks> if you press a button, xscreensaver awakens while X is still trying to do stuff, which crashes the X server before it can re-activate the monitor
[07:24] <Treenaks> about 50% of the time
[07:24] <Treenaks> the rest of the time you'll see the outline of the "password" window from xscreensaver and then a crashing X server
[07:24] <LeeColleton> zepo: try commenting out the module "dri" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:25] <LeeColleton> do this by opening a terminal and typing: sudo /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:26] <LeeColleton> zepo: discuss this in channel
[07:26] <zepo> ok... tnx a lot
[07:26] <zepo> yes
[07:26] <zepo> does it work??
[07:27] <LeeColleton> zepo: sorry, that's  sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 <ENTER>
[07:27] <zepo> sudo or vi??
[07:28] <LeeColleton> then go down to the line "dri" type: i <ENTER> # <ESC> :wq <ENTER>
[07:28] <LeeColleton> zepo: sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:28] <LeeColleton> the sudo command will run the next command as the superuser, who has permission to edit this important configuration file
[07:29] <zepo> ok..i try
[07:30] <LeeColleton> zepo: good luck
[07:30] <zepo> tnx :)
[07:30] <LeeColleton> oh, and you have to restart the X server after you edit this file by hitting <CTRL> + <ALT> + <BKSP>
[07:31] <LeeColleton> or just restart your computer
[07:31] <zepo> does it work for u?!?
[07:31] <LeeColleton> It worked the last time I had this problem.  But you have a different laptop than I
[07:32] <LeeColleton> Clearly there are still problems with the graphical window server on Ubuntu.  This is the beta version
[07:34] <LeeColleton> I have a CompactFlash card that I want to mount every time I start up.  It has my encryption keys and whatnot.  I've added a line in /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hde1 on /mnt/cf with default options, but it doesn't automatically mount on system startup.  The "normal" hard drive partitions mount just fine.
[07:35] <Kamion> LeeColleton: there are always problems with X :-/
[07:36] <LeeColleton> when I run 'mount -a' as root the drive mounts, but it doesn't mount on system startup.
[07:36] <Elfir3> how is it possible to install gcc as the only available version is the source version ?
[07:37] <LeeColleton> Kamion: I would really like to be able to suspend my laptop.  Which modules do I have to pull to make this happen?  Any suggestions?
[07:37] <merriam> Treenaks: nasty.  what X server?  proprietary?
[07:37] <LeeColleton> It suspended okay when I was running debian sarge, but ubuntu hasn't successfully resumed once.
[07:38] <tom_> hi all .... i search some ubuntu for newbies channel ...........
[07:39] <Agrajag> Elfir3: I installed gcc just fine. Did you enable the universe sources?
[07:39] <Treenaks> merriam: xfree86, siliconmotion driver
[07:39] <Elfir3> Agrajag: no... how can i do it ?
[07:40] <Agrajag> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe lines
[07:40] <merriam> i see.  not nvidia for a change
[07:40] <tom_> i have some trouble with install of waste,qtorrent,plugins for xmms
[07:40] <Elfir3> thx
[07:41] <Elfir3> Agrajag: what should that do ?
[07:42] <Agrajag> That would enable the universe package repository, which is unsupported but has a lot of packages that aren't in ubuntu
[07:42] <Agrajag> just do an apt-get update after enabling it
[07:42] <Agrajag> and try installing gcc again
[07:42] <Elfir3> ok thanks
[07:43] <zepo> leocollecton:sorry at the DRI there's : Mode 0666 , i cancel this number and put # ?!?!
[07:44] <pmjdebruijn> lo all
[07:44] <Treenaks> hi
[07:45] <pmjdebruijn> i'm a bit confused on the ubuntu dev process... will 4.10 only get security fixes, or will major updates be included along the way...
[07:45] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: security fixes only I think..
[07:45] <pmjdebruijn> k
[07:46] <Treenaks> (a bit like Debian :))
[07:46] <pmjdebruijn> is there a package list anywhere...?
[07:46] <Treenaks> on the mirrors there's a files called 'Packages'
[07:46] <Treenaks> you could also use apt-cache search to look for a specific package, or use synaptic to search
[07:46] <vrln> is the ubuntu development branch (the one that is going to be opened after warty is released) going to have security support?
[07:46] <Elfir3> is there any compiler by default ? I dont have any .., and I must set it to cc to compile gcc :/
[07:46] <Treenaks> Elfir3: read the FAQ on the site
[07:47] <Treenaks> Elfir3: why would you want to compile gcc???
[07:47] <Elfir3> ok
[07:47] <Agrajag> I just did apt-get install gcc and it worked fine
[07:47] <pmjdebruijn> Elfir3, apt-get install gcc (make diff patch)
[07:47] <Elfir3> ah ok ! i didnt understant :)
[07:48] <Treenaks> Elfir3: if you need <something>, apt-get install <something> will most likely just work.. otherwise, apt-cache search <something> :)
[07:48] <pmjdebruijn> apt is bliss... :)
[07:48] <Elfir3> understood ! ;)
[07:48] <Kamion> LeeColleton: no idea, sorry
[07:48] <Kamion> LeeColleton: some laptops just don't have suspend support implemented
[07:48] <Kamion> (like mine)
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> hmm i don't have ubuntu installed right now, i want to know if ubuntu includes dmraid...?
[07:51] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: dmraid? is that software-raid over devicemapper stuff?
[07:51] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: EVMS is included..
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, yes
[07:52] <Treenaks> dmsetup - The Linux Kernel Device Mapper userspace library
[07:52] <Treenaks> that's supported..
[07:52] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, yeah i know...
[07:52] <pmjdebruijn> but dmraid, detect the BIOS FakeRAID settings automagically...
[07:52] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: I think dmsetup is what you want
[07:53] <pmjdebruijn> why?
[07:53] <makeio> if i changed the ubuntu's sources.list instead of Debian Sarge ,I lost the gnome 2.8, or I have a lot of problems???
[07:53] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: that's the device-mapper userspace stuff..
[07:54] <pmjdebruijn> yes... and I want to use my FakeRAID bios... dmsetup doesn't autodetect stuff..
[07:54] <pmjdebruijn> manual software I can do...
[07:55] <Treenaks> dmraid does not show up in my package list.. but are you sure that's not a kernel driver of some kind?
[07:55] <pmjdebruijn> nop...
[07:55] <pmjdebruijn> it's not like ataraid in 2.4
[07:56] <pmjdebruijn> makeio, huh, you're not very clear... anyway don't mix debian + ubuntu...
[07:57] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: don't know then, sorry..
[07:57] <makeio> jejejeje my english is very bad, sorry
[07:58] <Treenaks> merriam: don't worry, we understand you..
[07:59] <merriam> i *am* english
[07:59] <makeio> ;)
[07:59] <merriam> and Treenaks is presumably using xchat
[07:59] <merriam> ah, irssi
[08:01] <makeio> another question, Ubuntu have support for VMWare in your kernel or must recompile for using virtual machines with ubuntu??
[08:02] <pmjdebruijn> makeio, no VMWare emulates 'normal' hardware...
[08:03] <zepo> leecollecton:i make changes as u said, but there's always the problem
[08:04] <tezem> hi
[08:04] <tezem> Is ubuntu directly connected to the debian package db?
[08:04] <Treenaks> merriam: no I did m<tab>.. I meant makeio
[08:04] <Kamion> tezem: not as far as users are concerned, but we do pull updated packages from Debian
[08:05] <LeeColleton> Kamion: will rebuilding the kernel manually help with the apm suspend problem?  Why does it work with Sarge but not Ubuntu?
[08:05] <merriam> i know
[08:05] <Kamion> LeeColleton: our kernels differ somewhat; please file a bug in our bugzilla
[08:05] <LeeColleton> zepo: well, I don't know then.  Install debian?
[08:05] <makeio> pmjdebruijn, i don't understand you. I can use vmware in ubuntu vmware or i must recompile kernel first of all. :$
[08:05] <LeeColleton> Kamion: thats buzilla.ubuntu.org ?
[08:05] <punkass_> iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid>                      iwconfig wlan0 key restricted <key>                       ifup wlan0
[08:06] <punkass_> that should give me a connection right?
[08:06] <pmjdebruijn> makeio, huh? please make good phrases... learn some english... watch a movie without subtitles... :p
[08:06] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: ifup might reset those parameters -- look in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:06] <pmjdebruijn> makeio, but... je can just install ubuntu in vmware, it should just work...
[08:06] <Treenaks> AGH
[08:06] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, huh?
[08:06] <pmjdebruijn> np
[08:07] <punkass_> hmm ok
[08:07] <Treenaks> punkass_: ifup might reset those parameters -- look in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:07] <tezem> Kamion: Is a source based package management as a feature to the normal deb packages planned or possible to come in future?
[08:07] <pmjdebruijn> tezem, knowing the debian crowd, which is like the ubuntu crowd... probably not...
[08:08] <defendguin> im having a problem all of a sudden a lot of my gnome apps refuse to work
[08:08] <defendguin> like the gnome-theme-manager
[08:08] <Treenaks> tezem: "source based package management" ?
[08:08] <Keybuk> tezem: our of interest, why do you want it?
[08:08] <pmjdebruijn> tezem, take a look at www.pkgsrc.org or http://www.openpkg.org/, they work in linux i think...
[08:08] <makeio> thanks for all and excuse-me for all (and thankyou for the english class too)
[08:08] <makeio> :d
[08:09] <punkass_> Treenaks: i just did a  iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid>        iwconfig wlan0 key restricted <key>         dhclient wlan0
[08:09] <Treenaks> punkass_: and?
[08:09] <punkass_> it does a couple of DHCPREQUESTS
[08:09] <Keybuk> if you want to install packages by building them, you can: apt-get source -b PKG
[08:10] <punkass_> then some DHCPDISCOVERS
[08:10] <Treenaks> punkass_: you can use "wireless-essid" and "wireless-key" in /etc/network/interfaces for that btw.. so you can use ifup
[08:10] <punkass_> and no IP addy
[08:10] <tezem> I use Gentoo for years now so I've seen the good and bad side of this system and the bad side IMO is the time consuming installation. Therefore I asked this question.
[08:10] <Keybuk> tezem: what do you see as the good side?
[08:10] <fluxy> Hello
[08:10] <Qo-noS> I believe what tezem is asking is if it is possible in Ubuntu to e.g. 'apt-get -t experimental build-dep package' 'apt-get -t experimental --build source package'
[08:10] <Treenaks> punkass_: does your AP work? are you associated (iwconfig -> look at the output, is the channel right, etc.)
[08:10] <pmjdebruijn> Keybuk, customizability
[08:10] <zepo> leecollecton: maybe, installing debian could be the right thing to do!!!
[08:10] <punkass_> iwlist wlan0 scan shows me the AP
[08:11] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: in what way? everything is already included..
[08:11] <Keybuk> pmjdebruijn: it's certainly easy to do.  The archive contains all the source packages, and the client tools allow you to get and build the sources
[08:11] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, CFLAGS, ./configure options, patches onto those programs
[08:11] <Treenaks> punkass_: not scan.. just iwconfig... does it tell you it's associated with the AP
[08:11] <zepo> leecollecton:every thing is possible to set on debian?!
[08:11] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: submit a bug, submit a but, submit a bug..
[08:11] <punkass_> no AP: all 0s
[08:11] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, huh? what that got to do with it?
[08:11] <punkass_> ESSID: off/any
[08:12] <Treenaks> punkass_: Access Point: <hex number, also found in iwlist scan>
[08:12] <Keybuk> there's also apt-build in universe which makes it even easier
[08:12] <pmjdebruijn> i distribution not compiled with -march=athlon-xp isn't a bug
[08:12] <Kamion> LeeColleton: URL's in the topic
[08:12] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: because it only gives you 0.25% speed gain
[08:12] <punkass_> yeah in iwlist scan its the right MAC addy for the AP
[08:12] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, depends on the application...
[08:12] <Keybuk> pmjdebruijn: never compile on Athlon with -march=athlon; athlons run faster on code compiled for p4 (AMD made them that way)
[08:12] <Treenaks> punkass_: no, it should ALSO give that address in "iwconfig" output!
[08:12] <fluxy> Hey people, I am just discovered Ubuntu and would like to have some info. Can you help?
[08:13] <Treenaks> punkass_: after "Access point:"
[08:13] <punkass_> but iwconfig AccessPoint: 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00
[08:13] <Treenaks> punkass_: no no no no no
[08:13] <pmjdebruijn> Keybuk, you sure? sounds a bit weird...
[08:13] <punkass_> ?
[08:13] <punkass_> iwconfig wlan0
[08:13] <pmjdebruijn> how could AMD have optimized for GCC -march=p4 when gcc didn't even have that option
[08:13] <Keybuk> pmjdebruijn: yup, it's quite comical.  you forget that gcc really isn't that great an optimising compiler anyway
[08:13] <Treenaks> punkass_: just add "wireless_essid youressid" and "wireless_key yourwepkey
[08:14] <Treenaks> punkass_: to /etc/network/interfaces (without the "")
[08:14] <Treenaks> punkass_: then ifup eth0
[08:14] <Treenaks> punkass_: then it should work..
[08:14] <Keybuk> pmjdebruijn: they didn't optimise for gcc specifically, athlons just chew p4 code better because AMD made them do that to out-benchmark them
[08:14] <tezem> Keybuk: a tailored system and therefore faster. Also I think installation is more stable than installation in a binary package management but this is only my experience from my Linux Beginnings years ago.
[08:14] <pmjdebruijn> Keybuk, considering gcc run on just about every platforms it does a reasonably good job
[08:15] <Treenaks> tezem: try again with debian...
[08:15] <punkass_> Treenaks: no luck
[08:16] <Treenaks> punkass_: does it associate if you set the essid?
[08:16] <punkass_> just a bunch of DHCPDISCOVERS
[08:16] <punkass_> nope
[08:16] <punkass_> iwconifg  is shows  ESSID: off.any
[08:16] <Treenaks> punkass_: that's strange, you should fix that.. maybe you're not allowed to connect? (MAC address access list ?)
[08:16] <punkass_> *off/any
[08:17] <punkass_> no i setup the router...only restriction is WEP
[08:17] <punkass_> and i have connected to it before...few days ago...which is wierd
[08:17] <tezem> Treenaks: why you don't say ubuntu?
[08:18] <Treenaks> tezem: because ubuntu is debian-based, and I still use debian a lot, and for me (as a sysadmin) it's basically the same...
[08:18] <Treenaks> just different sources.list files..
[08:19] <hazmat> wow, quite a lot of people here.
[08:20] <tezem> Treenaks: Somebody said here, that ubuntu not really uses the debian package db. Has ubuntu a seperate tree and merges packages from the original debian tree or how should i imagine?
[08:21] <Treenaks> tezem: yes, that's true
[08:21] <Treenaks> tezem: but apt-get and dpkg remain the same..
[08:22] <Treenaks> tezem: and the packages are still very much alike
[08:22] <fluxy> !! Can anyone who has used/ who is using Ubuntu tell me of their experience, if possible in private !!
[08:22] <fluxy> Please?
[08:23] <hazmat> does the ubuntu ppc kernel do patching for orinco/apple drivers and wireless scanning ?
[08:23] <_brandx_> is anyone working on a firefox "human" themes?
[08:26] <punkass_> this enought to drive a guy crazy :)
[08:33] <axe9dotcom> WOOF!
[08:33] <madduck> quack
[08:33] <axe9dotcom> hehe
[08:33] <axe9dotcom> O_o
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> Mooo
[08:33] <madduck> quack
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> Qwack
[08:34] <defendguin> im having some bad gnome problems :(
[08:34] <axe9dotcom> I doubt I can help...
[08:34] <axe9dotcom> but ask away, soemone's prolly lurking
[08:34] <defendguin> some of the apps just wont show up at all
[08:34] <defendguin> and they arnt crashing
[08:35] <defendguin> they just never show up
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> show  up? you mean you run them from the shell and they spit out no errors? just dont run?
[08:35] <|trey|> defendguin: what Dr_Willis is hinting at is... tell us the error it spits out from a console  :)
[08:35] <defendguin> no output in the shell nothing on the screen
[08:36] <defendguin> just sits
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> interesting....
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> it hangs? or just returns with no errors?
[08:36] <|trey|> defendguin: wierdness... ps -e | grep <the_binary> , kill it, and try again
[08:36] <defendguin> ok
[08:37] <|trey|> defendguin: that usually fixes such things  :/
[08:37] <|trey|> defendguin: sometimes if something crashes, it won't remove itself from memory... :/
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> if it was windiows - you'd be asked to reboot.. :P
[08:37] <defendguin> lol
[08:38] <defendguin> it was happening last night and when i booted up this morning i had the same problem
[08:38] <|trey|> Dr_Willis: blah... right click task bar >> task manager >> processes >> kill it
[08:38] <|trey|> defendguin: you upgraded since? perhaps there is a fix for it?
[08:39] <|trey|> you even check bugzilla... if its through reboots... what I said won't help  :/
[08:39] <defendguin> ive been keeping as up2date as i can
[08:39] <|trey|> ps, who the fuck reboots over night... insane
[08:39] <defendguin> laptop
[08:39] <|trey|> up2date = redhat = DO NOT SAY IT
[08:39] <defendguin> |trey|, i use fedora on my desktop :-)
[08:40] <|trey|> defendguin: so? thats why they give you a plug  :/
[08:40] <|trey|> defendguin: you lose @ life
[08:40] <defendguin> lol
[08:40] <defendguin> nope its still not fixed
[08:41] <|trey|> defendguin: Core 3's LVM2 support is about the only nice thing about it... defaulting to use lvm2 is a good idea with gparted prolly about to get into GNOME...
[08:41] <defendguin> ubuntu seems to be much faster
[08:41] <|trey|> defendguin: blah... you just think it is...
[08:41] <defendguin> not exactly sure why
[08:42] <netvistun> I have a very slow dns lookup
[08:42] <|trey|> ps... if fedora is your desktop... ubuntu is your server? wtf @ that
[08:42] <defendguin> maybe gnome 2.8 is faster than 2.6
[08:42] <netvistun> It makes browsing painfull
[08:42] <|trey|> Ubuntu = a desktop  :/
[08:42] <defendguin> im using ubuntu on my laptop
[08:42] <|trey|> defendguin: no... firefox is faster then the standalone mozilla...
[08:42] <defendguin> yeah
[08:42] <|trey|> defendguin: oh
[08:42] <defendguin> i use firefox on both boxes
[08:43] <defendguin> nah its been the fedora apt repositories for a while
[08:43] <|trey|> Thats pretty lame imo
[08:44] <|trey|> defendguin: I said IN FEDORA, as in not via external sources...
[08:44] <defendguin> when FC2 was released it might have been as ready as it is now
[08:45] <|trey|> defendguin: I've been using it since it was called Firebird  :/
[08:45] <|trey|> Perfectly ok... :/
[08:45] <defendguin> since phoenix
[08:45] <tezem> hmm there is #ubuntu.de and #ubuntu-de this is something confusing
[08:45] <|trey|> Never used it once via Phoenix... didn't like Java, so I kicked it  :/
[08:46] <defendguin> perfectly ok != better than mozilla
[08:46] <|trey|> tezem: most confusing thing: neither are official  :/
[08:46] <defendguin> although i think it is now
[08:47] <|trey|> defendguin: I have never liked mozilla-browser... think is bloated to all hell
[08:47] <defendguin> yes it is
[08:47] <defendguin> ive been using epiphany
[08:48] <|trey|> used Konqueror before Firefox started paying attention to GTK themes
[08:48] <defendguin> eh
[08:48] <|trey|> Epiphany sucks... imo... Galeon
[08:48] <defendguin> i never ever like Konq as a browser
[08:48] <|trey|> KDE was my favorate de for most of my Linux life  :/
[08:49] <soumoh> hi
[08:49] <soumoh> hola
[08:50] <soumoh> anyone who uses Eclipse under ubuntu here? I can't make it work :-(
[08:50] <soumoh> HcE!
[08:50] <|trey|> Only since GNOME 2.6 have I really liked GNOME  :/
[08:50] <HcE> soumoh: :)
[08:50] <defendguin> really?
[08:50] <defendguin> ive been a fan since 2.0
[08:51] <defendguin> before that it was kde
[08:51] <tezem> |trey|: Somebody try to earn money for the channels ;-)
[08:52] <|trey|> tezem: doubt money... just a place hold is my guess...
[08:53] <soumoh> kde is childish
[08:53] <LeeColleton> when the ubuntu installer autopartitions the drive, does it use lvm?
[08:53] <soumoh> i can't stand KDEs UI
[08:53] <clee> soumoh: "childish"?
[08:53] <clee> ugly, ok, that's opinion. "childish" though?
[08:53] <|trey|> I've liked GTK since GTK 2.x... GNOME though? eh... KDE has always been more customizable... I liked that... then I started playing with gdesklets  :)
[08:54] <soumoh> clee - the look and feel looks like as if it were made for kids
[08:55] <soumoh> clee - childish is maybe a bad choice of word...i can understand that
[08:55] <|trey|> clee: umm... Keramik, yes... Plastik is perhaps the best theme for a Linux desktop I have seen though... for a while, had gtk2-engines-gtk-qt in use here  :/
[08:55] <clee> soumoh: well, as a guy who's been a KDE developer for the last four years, I can assure you that we don't make it "for kids"
[08:55] <clee> |trey|: dude, Keramik sucks balls.
[08:55] <soumoh> clee, Lycoris -- Linux is for everyone :-))) (including kids)
[08:56] <|trey|> clee: very much so... Plastik is what I used  :/
[08:56] <soumoh> HcE, PARTY on dude...i made eclipse work under ubuntu!!
[08:57] <defendguin> hmmm i cant seem to uninstall samba
[08:58] <HcE> soumoh: congrats :)
[08:58] <defendguin> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba
[08:58] <defendguin> dpkg: error processing samba (--remove):
[08:58] <defendguin>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[08:58] <|trey|> defendguin: little more info... whats the prob
[08:58] <defendguin> whats this mean?
[08:59] <rcaskey> Keramik is less than awe inspiring
[08:59] <|trey|> defendguin: fix the symlink, then tell me again what it says
[08:59] <defendguin> fix it?
[08:59] <Kamion> LeeColleton: no
[08:59] <rcaskey> I kinda dislike how things changed during point releases in terms of theme
[08:59] <|trey|> rcaskey: we already came to the conclusion that keramik sucks, shush
[08:59] <defendguin> i have no idea where it is supposed to be pointing
[09:00] <|trey|> defendguin: yes... link it to /etc/init.d/samba
[09:00] <defendguin> ah ok
[09:02] <defendguin> much better
[09:03] <|trey|> defendguin: its working now?
[09:03] <|trey|> defendguin: it helps to read errors ;)
[09:03] <rcaskey>   /join #macosx
[09:03] <rcaskey> doh
[09:05] <defendguin> i read the error but not being used to apt errors i dont know what a dangeling simlink is
[09:05] <defendguin> brb
[09:05] <|trey|> defendguin: its not an apt error  :/
[09:05] <|trey|> its a dpkg error  :/
[09:05] <defendguin> well i dont know them either
[09:06] <|trey|> :)
[09:06] <Agrajag> defendguin: do you know what a symlink is to begin with?
[09:06] <|trey|> dpkg deals with packages... apt deals with getting them  :)
[09:06] <|trey|> grrr
[09:07] <|trey|> Agrajag: he said he didn't... guess he does now though  :)
[09:07] <WW> linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686  <---  Is this out yet?
[09:10] <mdz> WW: it's on the way
[09:10] <WW> mdz: OK, thanks.
[09:11] <Elfir3> hi
[09:11] <LeeColleton> sometimes when I use <CTRL> + <ALT> + <ARROW> to switch windows the popup windowswitcher remains until I click somewhere with the mouse or hit a key.  This is kind of annoying.  Is there a way to stop it?
[09:12] <defendguin> hmmmm
[09:12] <mdz> LeeColleton: never seen that happen; sounds like it could be a bug
[09:12] <defendguin> i think dhclient has a problem
[09:12] <Agrajag> hey who was asking about window shading in here?
[09:12] <Agrajag> Because I found that you can enable it pretty easily
[09:12] <LeeColleton> mdz: it doesn't happen consistently, either
[09:12] <defendguin> when i boot up it tried to establish a link with my wireless router
[09:12] <Agrajag> set a keyboard shortcut for it in the keyboard shortcuts applet
[09:12] <LeeColleton> that's part of what makes it so maddening
[09:12] <defendguin> but it fails everytime
[09:13] <mdz> defendguin: perhaps you need to set the network name/ESSID?
[09:13] <defendguin> i have to do this by hand   iwconfig wlan0 channel 6 essid linksys mode Managed
[09:13] <defendguin> dhclient
[09:13] <defendguin> mdz yes i think that would help
[09:13] <mdz> defendguin: computer->system configuration->networking->properties
[09:14] <mdz> sounds like you need to set it to 'linksys'
[09:14] <defendguin> yeah i looked at that i never saw where it says essid on there
[09:14] <mdz> that's bug #1295 :-)
[09:14] <defendguin> lol
[09:15] <defendguin> i put the "network name" as "Home" because i thought i was just naming the profile
[09:15] <sri> sup
[09:16] <soumoh> how can I make shortcuts on my desktop in Gnome 2.8?
[09:16] <defendguin> but if "network name" == essid maybe they should put essid in ()
[09:16] <Agrajag> right-click > create launcher
[09:16] <ema> which packages which will be installed by a default installation?
[09:17] <|trey|> soumoh: regular shortcuts just show up.. they just turned off home, and trash in ubuntu...
[09:17] <|trey|> ema: no one will name them all... try it and see  :/
[09:17] <defendguin> mdz, I also wish the network config app would let me set the channel
[09:17] <mdz> defendguin: you should never need to set that except on an AP
[09:18] <ema> |trey|: aren't they choosen by a meta-package or similar?
[09:18] <defendguin> i read it on a page and it has been working so i never questioned it
[09:18] <|trey|> ema: umm... they are set in the installer  :/
[09:19] <Elfir3> can so tell me how to know my kernel version ? (ubuntu 4.10), and how to get the source (I've already tried the last with apt get, the last from kernel.org, and the NVidia installer still thinks they arent right...)
[09:19] <|trey|> ema: they kinda simplified the installer... it asks you very basic questions, then just installs the OS...
[09:19] <thom> Elfir3: are you on x86? just apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:19] <vrln> uname -r to see the kernel version, and to get the source apt-get install linux-source-yourkernelversion
[09:20] <ema> |trey|: yep, I've noticed it
[09:20] <vrln> you can search the apt-get file database with apt-cache search whatdoyouwantdofind
[09:20] <defendguin> gonna reboot to see if this worked brb
[09:20] <vrln> to*
[09:20] <ema> |trey|: the problem is that I've tried two installations this afternoon
[09:20] <Elfir3> thom: for the opengl version ? I also want to use 5.1 => nforce
[09:20] <ema> |trey|: the first one went fine
[09:20] <soumoh> |trey|, ok thanks
[09:20] <ema> |trey|: during the second one there were some problems and some packages failed to install
[09:21] <|trey|> ema: why'd you reinstall?
[09:21] <ema> |trey|: so I would like to complete the packages suite...
[09:21] <ema> |trey|: another machine :)
[09:21] <ema> |trey|: ah, sorry, I didn't get the question
[09:21] <|trey|> Ohhh... hmm... you can maybe try apt-get install ubuntu-base... not sure what that depends though  :/
[09:22] <ema> |trey|: ubuntu-base? ok, I'll try
[09:22] <Elfir3> thom: still not working ...
[09:22] <tom_> whats is with my compiler ?    onfigure:2231: checking whether the C compiler works
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2237: ./a.out
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2240: $? = 0
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2257: result: yes
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2264: checking whether we are cross compiling
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2266: result: no
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2269: checking for suffix of executables
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2271: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c  >&5
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2274: $? = 0
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2299: result:
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2305: checking for suffix of object files
[09:22] <|trey|> ema: wait, you have two boxen?   umm... dpkg -l | less on the one that finished good
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2326: gcc -c   conftest.c >&5
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2329: $? = 0
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2351: result: o
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2355: checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2379: gcc -c   conftest.c >&5
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2385: $? = 0
[09:22] <|trey|> SOMEONE BOOT tom_ please
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2388: test -z 			 || test ! -s conftest.err
[09:22] <thom> tom_: install build-essential, bet you've not got libc6-dev
[09:22] <Agrajag> oh we needed to see all this
[09:22] <ema> |trey|: yep, it's obiouvs :) thx
[09:22] <|trey|> thom: dude... take him to #flood or someshit, thats annoying
[09:23] <thom> |trey|: agreed, i didn't ask him to flood :-)
[09:24] <|trey|> thom: bah, I still blame you  8-)
[09:24] <thom> ;p
[09:24] <tom_> thx .... i red floods topic ;=)
[09:25] <|trey|> Opps
[09:25] <|trey|> oops
[09:25] <tom_> ok .... my waste works now, but some buttons doesnt work  ... add key, import key,etc
[09:25] <|trey|> thom: make me not be able to do that again  :)
[09:25] <tom_> its all gtk2+ kind
[09:25] <thom> knuckles, even
[09:25] <|trey|> thom: I meant /topic #flood I think  :(
[09:28] <jono> hi all
[09:28] <|trey|> jono: can we help you with anything?  :)
[09:28] <jono> just popped on to say hi :)
[09:28] <LinuxJones> hi everyone !!
[09:28] <jono> hi LinuxJones
[09:29] <LinuxJones> hi jono. love LugRadio when is the next episode coming out ??
[09:30] <jono> LinuxJones, cheers :) we are going to resume recording in a few weeks :)
[09:30] <LinuxJones> Great
[09:30] <|trey|> jono: wtf is lugradio?  :o
[09:31] <jono> |trey|, its a Linux radio show where basically chat about Linux in a very british way
[09:31] <jono> lots of swearing and sarcasm
[09:31] <Keybuk> heh, I remember the comparitive "Join us now and free the software" songs :)
[09:31] <|trey|> jono: define "in a very british way"  :(
[09:32] <jono> |trey|, have a listen :) www.lugradio.org - its sarcastic, witty, on the spot and a bit controvertial at times
[09:32] <jono> Keybuk, yeah - I did the metal version :)
[09:33] <jono> heh
[09:34] <Keybuk> I have no excuse for sblug now, though I could probably claim I couldn't find the building again :p
[09:34] <jono> Keybuk, sblug?
[09:34] <jono> south birmingham lug?
[09:34] <Keybuk> *nods*
[09:34] <jono> Keybuk, do I know you?
[09:35] <Keybuk> no, because I've never actually turned up ... other than the Jeff & Scott roadshow
[09:35] <jono> Keybuk, shit, I meant to go to that, but I was catching a plane at 4am from Liverpool to EuroFoo and decided I should pack - I mailed jeff about it - I was looking forward to meeting you guys
[09:35] <defendguin> hmmm i dont know what i have to do to make my wireless card work on boot up i keep having to run iwconfig and dhclient on boot
[09:36] <jono> defendguin, you configured /etc/networking/interfaces?
[09:36] <defendguin> i set the "Network name"
[09:36] <Keybuk> defendguin: check /etc/network/interfaces ... you should probably have something like "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp" in there
[09:36] <Agrajag> /etc/network/ not /etc/networking/
[09:36] <tom_> ok .. i'm not linux guru ... but error again     libmp4.c:506: error: parse error before '}' token
[09:36] <tom_> make[2] : *** [libmp4.lo]  Error 1
[09:36] <Keybuk> replace eth1 with whatever curious name your wireless card goes by, if you need to
[09:37] <defendguin> right
[09:37] <defendguin> id like to get the gui tool working if possible because i will probably have a few networks
[09:38] <Keybuk> we've not got a gui tool for that?  I think we're looking at heading towards something NetworkManager-y for hoary
[09:38] <theantix> Keybuk, I compiled novell's netapplet for Ubuntu -- works great
[09:38] <jono> how can I reload the GNOME panel?
[09:39] <defendguin> they have a network config in Computer --> System Configuration --> Netowrking
[09:39] <jono> brb#
[09:40] <Keybuk> defendguin: heh, so we do ... I thought we disabled that :p
[09:40] <defendguin> heh
[09:40] <defendguin> it pretty much sucks
[09:40] <defendguin> at least for wirless
[09:40] <defendguin> wireless
[09:40] <Keybuk> yeah
[09:42] <defendguin> this network gui writes to /etc/network/interfaces file?
[09:43] <tom_> hmmmmm 100000 errors    libmp4.c:71: error: parse error before "gshort"
[09:43] <|trey|> presumably... else it would be kinda useless  :/
[09:43] <tom_> its very hard , this ubuntu
[09:43] <defendguin> well i just saved that Profile and i dont see any profile name written in the interfaces files
[09:43] <|trey|> tom_: haha... don't ever try Debian or Slack then  ;)
[09:44] <|trey|> (I know, this basically is Debian, but its certainly vastly "simplified"  :/)
[09:44] <tom_> slack rulez
[09:45] <|trey|> defendguin: but its working?
[09:45] <|trey|> tom_: ok, you lose if you think Slack is easier then Ubuntu  ;/
[09:45] <defendguin> well i would need to reboot agian to see if it works properly
[09:45] <tom_> i hant such trouble like with ubuntu,yoper,and other
[09:45] <|trey|> yoper was a terrible fad.... thank god they have pretty much disappeared  :/
[09:46] <tom_> yoper suxx total
[09:48] <|trey|> Maybe I'm just too used to d-i and debian?
[09:48] <tom_> sure.... ubuntu is really nice,stable,.... but for audio/video .... suxx ...
[09:49] <soumoh> Tom - no...rocks for audio/video
[09:49] <soumoh> even rocks for wifi
[09:49] <|trey|> tom_: umm... both work here  :/
[09:49] <tom_> flac,ofs,ofr,aac,mp4 .... no luck.
[09:49] <tom_> torrent,waste .... suxx
[09:50] <tom_> mp3 sure (only)
[09:50] <|trey|> what more do you need?
[09:50] <tom_> mp3 is nothing for me ... i'm audiophile
[09:50] <|trey|> tom_: I dunno man, maybe you're too 1337 for ubuntu  :/
[09:50] <tom_> lossless or other lossy codecs than mp3 (old suck)
[09:51] <housetier> tom_, maybe ubuntu wasnt meant for you :)
[09:51] <tom_> 1337 ... waste LEET port ;=)
[09:51] <tom_> doesnt work for me
[09:51] <tom_> onto slack ... no trouble
[09:52] <housetier> well use slack then
[09:52] <housetier> be smart - don't bitch
[09:52] <tom_> i'm waiting for dropline ... for gnome 2.8
[09:52] <tom_> really rulez
[09:53] <|trey|> tom_: ever played with xorph.org's FLAC codec?
[09:53] <tom_> no trouble on nforce 400 chip on slack
[09:53] <|trey|> tom_: no offence dude, you seem like a moron... have fun with slack  :/
[09:54] <hazmat> anyone here using ubuntu on a powerbook/ppc ?
[09:54] <tom_> mpc,ape,aac,rmvb,vp6..... all works
[09:54] <|trey|> tom_: cool... like I said... have fun... #slackware
[09:55] <tom_> maybe next ubuntu.....
[09:55] <|trey|> tom_: maybe just stick with Slack!
[09:56] <|trey|> tom_: people like you aren't needed... or wanted... you appear to like Slack, go bother them
[09:57] <hazmat> are the daily cd's useable/semi-stable or is better to go with a release for a first install?
[09:57] <tom_> i must say... ubuntu doesnt errors in install like slack.... but...if u make clean of errors ....all works 110 % with dropline
[09:58] <|trey|> hazmat: do a net install, it will use the most current packages anyway...
[09:58] <hazmat> okay, will do
[09:59] <punkass_> how do i find the mac addy of my wireless card?
[09:59] <hazmat> incidentally it would be nice if the public lists where advertised on lists.ubuntulinux.org
[09:59] <hazmat> just a mailman list flag
[09:59] <LinuxJones> punkass_, ifconfig -a
[09:59] <mdz> hazmat: best to go with a daily
[09:59] <hazmat> oh.. nevermind, i see the problem now
[09:59] <punkass_> doh..oh yeah
[09:59] <ulmen> |trey|: is there a small netinstall iso image everywhere? didn't find one when i installed ubuntu, so i had to wait long ages for the full image ;)
[09:59] <|trey|> hazmat: I have no say in that  :(
[09:59] <LinuxJones> punkass_, :D
[10:00] <mdz> they're quite stable, and if you use an older snapshot you'll just need to download more
[10:00] <mdz> ulmen: yes, there is
[10:00] <mdz> ulmen: but unless you're doing a custom install, it makes sense to download the full image, since it will install the full desktop set anyway
[10:02] <|trey|> mdz: the regular installer for ubuntu will allow you to do a netinstall... this is what I meant  :)
[10:02] <ulmen> yes right, never thought of that
[10:03] <mdz> right, by default it will install from the CD where it is current, and get newer packages from the network
[10:03] <defendguin> does the trash applet not empty trash for anyone else?
[10:04] <LinuxJones> Jeff are you here ??
[10:04] <|trey|> defendguin: Trash is a hidden folder within ~/Desktop, so no  :)
[10:05] <defendguin> then why have the applet in the panel by default if it doesnt work?
[10:06] <defendguin> maybe its just that my gnome is sucking right now i cant even get a nautilus window to pop up
[10:06] <|trey|> defendguin: it does... it removes files from ~/Desktop/.Trash
[10:06] <|trey|> or ~/Desktop/.trash ... one or the other  :/
[10:07] <defendguin> not for me it doesnt
[10:07] <|trey|> defendguin: hmm... wierd
[10:07] <|trey|> Well, in theory, thats what it does  :)
[10:08] <defendguin> hmmm maybe it just doesnt update its icon when it does so that i think it doesnt do its job
[10:08] <|trey|> It won't remove stuff for other users though, only in YOUR home dir...
[10:08] <LinuxJones> defendguin, Try creating a new user and enter the account, a purge of gnome and re-install may be in order if it is still messed up.
[10:08] <defendguin> yeah im gonna have to get a new user account this one seems hosed
[10:09] <defendguin> LinuxJones, great idea
[10:09] <LinuxJones> defendguin, it's worth a try
[10:10] <|trey|> hmm... what I said about the location is wrong... I guess thats KDE  :o
[10:10] <defendguin> doesnt matter
[10:10] <|trey|> So now, a new question... where is GNOME's trash file?
[10:10] <|trey|> s/file/dir/
[10:11] <theantix> trey, ~/.Trash/
[10:12] <|trey|> theantix: yeah, just saw it... thanks  :)
[10:12] <defendguin> will the new user i create be in the sudo file?
[10:12] <|trey|> defendguin: no...
[10:12] <defendguin> oh i ll just add him to the sudo group maybe that will do it
[10:13] <|trey|> defendguin: first, just remove everything pertaining to gnome... its basically like creating a new user anyways... just log out and back in and the files will be recreated...
[10:13] <elim> how do i setup spelcheck on openen office?
[10:13] <|trey|> defendguin: pertaining to gnome... in your home dir
[10:13] <elim> how do i setup spelcheck on openen office?
[10:13] <defendguin> ok like .gconf and .gnome stuff
[10:13] <|trey|> defendguin: yup
[10:14] <haggai> elim: install a myspell dictionary
[10:14] <elim> i have
[10:15] <haggai> elim: in that case make sure that you have a link /usr/lib/openoffice/share/dict/ooo -> /usr/share/myspell/dicts
[10:16] <defendguin> ubuntu has disabled browser mode?
[10:16] <elim> i tell a lie i have not but there is not one available for english on my arch (ppc) theres everything else though like bolgaian and sweedish etc..
[10:16] <Agrajag> defendguin: browser mode in nautilus?
[10:16] <theantix> browser mode in nautilus works fine for me
[10:16] <Agrajag> yeah
[10:16] <defendguin> when i tried to switch the option was greyed out
[10:17] <Agrajag> odd
[10:17] <defendguin> hmmm
[10:17] <defendguin> i dont want to have to reinstall :((((((
[10:17] <elim> i have got the open office localiseation to english but thats all thats available that includes 'universe'
[10:18] <defendguin> brb
[10:19] <defendguin> heh
[10:19] <defendguin> trying to logout didnt work properly
[10:19] <theantix> one usability quirk for the trashapplet... if you miss you end up with a very messy and cluttered taskbar
[10:19] <UziMonkey> heh
[10:19] <UziMonkey> don't miss ;)
[10:20] <elim> it works fine on abiword though ***confused***
[10:20] <theantix> UziMonkey, indeed
[10:20] <|trey|> grr... when defendguin gets back someone tell him gconf: apps>nautilus>preferences first option "always_use_browser"
[10:21] <phin|work> hello
[10:21] <|trey|> hey
[10:22] <|trey|> elim: abiword and oo.o are about as different as can be  :/
[10:22] <|trey|> thats like saying "but it works in emacs" or "but it works in MSWord" or something  :/
[10:24] <phin|work> i need to learn vim
[10:24] <phin|work> looks like its pretty good for coding
[10:24] <|trey|> phin|work: yes... handy tool
[10:24] <|trey|> phin|work: it's what it was designed for  :)
[10:25] <phin|work> ya i think i will havta get me a nice book or something on it
[10:25] <phin|work> i cant figure it out myself
[10:25] <phin|work> lol
[10:25] <|trey|> phin|work: sure you can  ;)
[10:25] <|trey|> phin|work: man vim (or nvi) is a good place to start  ;)
[10:26] <phin|work> ya i was looking
[10:26] <|trey|> phin|work: + all the online tutorials  :)
[10:26] <phin|work> i just need to take the time i guess
[10:26] <housetier> phin|work, you could start in #vim, then run "vimtutor" and pay vim.org and vi-improved.com a visit
[10:26] <defendguin> when i tried to log back in from gdm it just hung after it accepted my password
[10:26] <housetier> phin|work, the rest comes with practice and a little patience
[10:26] <phin|work> thanks for the tips
[10:26] <phin|work> :)
[10:26] <|trey|> defendguin: gconf: apps>nautilus>preferences first option "always_use_browser"
[10:27] <LinuxJones> defendguin, did you create a new user or delete gnome related files ??
[10:27] <defendguin> i dont need browser
[10:27] <|trey|> defendguin: thought you said you wanted it? :/
[10:27] <defendguin> i was just wondering why the option was greyed out
[10:27] <defendguin> LinuxJones, deleted gnome files
[10:27] <|trey|> Ohh... I don't even know where the option is in the tool itself :/
[10:28] <LinuxJones> defendguin, try creating new user it will take 10 seconds to find out :D
[10:28] <defendguin> i created a new user already
[10:28] <LinuxJones> defendguin, it didn't work either ?
[10:29] <|trey|> LinuxJones: I'm guessing it did based on the fact he is back  ;)
[10:29] <defendguin> i havent tried logging into that user
[10:29] <defendguin> i tried deleting gnome files from ~/
[10:29] <LinuxJones> |trey|, do0es he still have the same problems tho ?
[10:29] <|trey|> k, imma shut up now  :/
[10:29] <defendguin> lol
[10:29] <makeio> hi, what is Gecko
[10:29] <defendguin> i figured out why the trash can was having a problem
[10:29] <|trey|> makeio: Mozilla's HTML renderer
[10:30] <defendguin> /home/supe...apper.mod" cannot be deleted because you do not have permissions to modify its parent folder.
[10:31] <|trey|> cool... fixed  now?
[10:31] <defendguin> well thats fixed
[10:31] <phin|work> anyone know which package has libtiff?
[10:31] <|trey|> seems illogical, but if its fixed, its ok  :)
[10:31] <defendguin> now to see if gnome-theme-manager works
[10:31] <makeio> i can't download anything because when i cklik in the link computer doesn't works and only gecko are in my screen
[10:31] <phin|work> n/m
[10:32] <|trey|> phin|work: no idea... it always comes along with either gimp or ImageMagick here  :/
[10:32] <|trey|> look at those packages deps  :/
[10:32] <makeio> how i can to desable gecko??
[10:32] <defendguin> woo freaking hoo it works
[10:32] <LinuxJones> phin|work:  libtiff4 ??
[10:32] <|trey|> makeio: umm... gecko is NEVER "in your screen"... its invisible to the user  :/
[10:32] <|trey|> makeio: perhaps you mean mozilla?
[10:33] <defendguin> now im happy :-D and when i rebooted this past time it found my homenetwork on the first try without me having to do anything
[10:33] <axe9dotcom> WTF!
[10:33] <|trey|> defendguin: yay  :)
[10:33] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: whats wrong?
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> Why doesn't musicplayer save play lists
[10:34] <makeio> i use mozilla firefox but when i click in a link popup a gecko litle windows istead of download the link
[10:34] <|trey|> deFrysk: welcome back  :)
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> why does it keep crshing
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> etc
[10:34] <makeio> excuse-me my bad english
[10:34] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: umm, rhythmbox? it does, on exit... if it didn't exit via a crash  ;)
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> yeah
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> %^$#
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> but like every 5 mins it crashs
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> pissign me off >.>
[10:35] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: bah... try Fedora's w/ mp3 support  :/
[10:35] <defendguin> yummy
[10:35] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: mines been running for about 28 hours, constantly playing... likely to crash soon, but hasn't yet :)
[10:35] <axe9dotcom> Eh?
[10:36] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: word of advise... when creating play lists... EXIT WHEN YOU HAVE IT RIGHT... then open it back up and commence listening  :)
[10:37] <|trey|> I think I mean advice?
[10:37] <Agrajag> yes, you do
[10:37] <|trey|> I thought so  :)
[10:37] <axe9dotcom> yeah
[10:37] <axe9dotcom> NOW I know that...
[10:38] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: about a year of Rhythmbox experiance (mainly shoutcast playlists though) talking  :)
[10:38] <axe9dotcom> I was making a really long one so I could write my paper w/o stopping to put on new music.. I had like 210 songs T_T
[10:38] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: hahha... I mean... I'm sorry  :)
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> t(<_<t)
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> :P
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> oh..
[10:39] <defendguin> why did ubuntu go with OOo instead of abiword/gnumeric??
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> that doesnm't show up great with this font...
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> alright
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> back to wriging ^^
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> writing*
[10:40] <|trey|> defendguin: because OOo is kinda a standard... and no major companies are supporting Gnome Office  :/
[10:40] <defendguin> i noticed but OOo really blows on this laptop
[10:41] <|trey|> defendguin: yeah... I've kinda been praying for them to split it up since the first time I used it... never happens though... I check for it with every release :/
[10:41] <defendguin> major companies are supporting it for its use on linux no one much cares about its windows users
[10:42] <axe9dotcom> God I hate reading James Agee >>
[10:42] <|trey|> defendguin: no... no major company supports abiword/gnumeric... trust me
[10:42] <defendguin> |trey|, i agree
[10:42] <defendguin> i was talking about OOo
[10:43] <|trey|> defendguin: ok... then I don't get the point of your comment?
[10:43] <|trey|> No company but Microsoft supports that platform... its kinda why people are leaning towards GNU/Linux these days  ;)
[10:44] <defendguin> im saying OOo should stop worrying about being cross platform and concentrate on the major weakness in linux. speed!!
[10:44] <|trey|> defendguin: blame sun... staroffice is one huge mass of code too  :/
[10:44] <defendguin> and stop eating up all my available ram
[10:45] <ghent> hi, what is the main language used here ?
[10:45] <LinuxJones> defendguin, how much ram do you have on your laptop ?
[10:45] <ghent> nevermind :)
[10:45] <|trey|> defendguin: being cross platform has nothing to do with it though... its java  :/
[10:45] <defendguin> 128+64
[10:45] <|trey|> ghent: the one you're using  :)
[10:45] <Kosai> ghent: There are separate IRC channels for Spanish and German(?).
[10:45] <defendguin> |trey|, move from java to something faster
[10:46] <|trey|> defendguin: not quite that easy dude  :/
[10:46] <ghent> i have little problem with my ubuntu, ipw2200 (my driver for my wifi card) went crazy taking all my cpu, is there a more violent wait to kill it than "kill -9"
[10:46] <defendguin> |trey|, i dont think major corporations care about it being fast at all because their computers are fast enough
[10:46] <LinuxJones> defendguin, is it slow in general or just startup. You should have lots of ram to run OO decently unless your cpu is like really old.
[10:46] <Agrajag> It's not as if it's all java anyway
[10:46] <Agrajag> I don't even have java installed
[10:47] <defendguin> LinuxJones, 350 mhz
[10:47] <Agrajag> ugh
[10:47] <|trey|> We wouldn't see a single release for about 5 years if they decided to actually attempt to port OOo from java to C and GTK  :/
[10:47] <LinuxJones> defendguin, ouch!!
[10:47] <defendguin> lol
[10:47] <|trey|> Agrajag: because you have OOo already compiled  :/
[10:47] <Agrajag> I don't think any amount of tuning is going to make any program as large as OOo run decently on that
[10:47] <theantix> if you have the ram but are annoyed with the startup times, OpenOffice runs a lot better if you run the quickstarter (ooqstart-gnome in universe)
[10:47] <defendguin> LJ you would be surprised how qick gnome is on it
[10:47] <Agrajag> treyh0: I built it in gentoo, I remember seeing lots of gcc output, not java
[10:47] <|trey|> Agrajag: there is a java binding for gnome... OOo uses it afaik
[10:48] <tom_> ok ....i'm not linux guru, but i can play ofr,ofs (lossless) in my xmms
[10:48] <defendguin> Agrajag, abiword work just fine
[10:48] <ghent> i answer to myself, unloading the module works fine :)
[10:48] <Agrajag> |trey|: yes, but it's not necessary
[10:48] <Agrajag> defendguin: yes, then use that
[10:48] <defendguin> problem is i need power point compat
[10:48] <Agrajag> I'm saying that making OOo run denctly on your system is not a matter of Sun cleaning its code up
[10:48] <LinuxJones> defendguin, you should increase the ram that's allocated to OO graphics cache. By default it is horrible low
[10:48] <defendguin> and that isnt quite there yet
[10:48] <|trey|> Agrajag: umm... OOo = java... trust me on this  ;)
[10:49] <Agrajag> whatever
[10:49] <defendguin> LJ how?
[10:49] <tom_> because .... i did removed xmms via synaptic and installed new from source ;=)
[10:49] <|trey|> Agrajag: I already said how to fix it... need to break the parts up... OO.o is one huge mass of code... thats why it takes up so much ram  :/
[10:49] <LinuxJones> defendguin, Options >> Open Office >> Memory it's set tp 9mb by default set it to like 30 megs.
[10:49] <defendguin> ahhh
[10:49] <housetier> so because java used to be slow, and OOo is slow, Ooo must be written in java
[10:49] <ghent> is there a little howto on porting a debian package to ubuntu ?
[10:50] <defendguin> that will improve startup time?
[10:50] <Agrajag> |trey|: and that would make it run decently on a 350 mhz with 192 megs?
[10:50] <zenwhen> I am written in java.
[10:50] <Agrajag> sup zenwhen
[10:50] <Agrajag> more like zenmen
[10:50] <zenwhen> nmu
[10:50] <|trey|> housetier: no... OOo just IS wrtten in java  :/
[10:50] <housetier> I don't trust anyone who says java is slow
[10:50] <|trey|> Agrajag: better then it does now...
[10:50] <LinuxJones> defendguin, you can also try installing ooqstart-gnome to help it's start time dramatically
[10:50] <clee> java GUIs are atrociously slow.
[10:50] <Agrajag> trey: then why, when I built it in gentoo, did I see all that g++ output?
[10:50] <clee> java itself is not.
[10:50] <|trey|> housetier: I didn't say java was slow... I said OOo is a mass of code, and that it is written in java...
[10:50] <zenwhen> trey: its c++
[10:50] <defendguin> hmmm thanks
[10:51] <Agrajag> crap, class time
[10:51] <LinuxJones> defendguin, sure thing
[10:51] <|trey|> zenwhen: ummm... since when?
[10:51] <zenwhen> since forever. Where did you get this zany idea that it was written in java?
[10:52] <clee> it does use some java stuff, yes.
[10:52] <clee> it is not written in java though.
[10:52] <clee> OOo is mostly C++
[10:52] <clee> which is one of the reasons why it's very difficult to make it integrate properly with GNOME/GTK
[10:52] <clee> (not being done in C...)
[10:53] <zenwhen> trey: its written in c++, almost exclusively.
[10:53] <zenwhen> Nothing important has ever been written in java.
[10:53] <phin|work> sigh, cant find xlibs anywhere on the ubuntu ftp site :-(
[10:53] <|trey|> grrr... ok... any way... it would be a lot faster if the parts were seperated out... then you wouldn't basically be loading the entire suite just for writing a text doc  :/
[10:54] <clee> zenwhen: maybe not "important" but Eclipse is Java.
[10:54] <clee> zenwhen: So is Project Looking Glass.
[10:54] <LinuxJones> phin|work, I have a listing for them
[10:54] <phin|work> well i cant use apt so i need to download em and install manually
[10:54] <phin|work> do you know where they are located?
[10:54] <defendguin> LinuxJones, so this will just hurt my gnome-panel startup time now while it loads part of OO?
[10:54] <|trey|> which rhymes... coincidence?
[10:55] <LinuxJones> defendguin, yes unfortunately that's the tradeoff :(
[10:55] <defendguin> we will see
[10:55] <defendguin> hmmm not that bad
[10:55] <LinuxJones> phin|work, why sin't apt working for you ?
[10:56] <phin|work> no internet
[10:56] <defendguin> but i think it got rid of the ooo splash screen
[10:56] <LinuxJones> phin|work, ahh
[10:56] <phin|work> so i gotta download stuff and burn to a rw and install
[10:56] <LinuxJones> phin|work, let me have a look
[10:56] <|trey|> phin|work: sounds painful  :/
[10:57] <phin|work> lol
[10:57] <phin|work> ya its temp
[10:57] <phin|work> im waiting on my wifi
[10:57] <phin|work> so i figured i would set it up while i wait
[10:57] <|trey|> No internet = useless mass of metal :)
[10:58] <|trey|> hmmm... you answered my ponderence  :)
[10:58] <defendguin> yup
[10:59] <|trey|> bah... no network = useless mass of metal*
[10:59] <LinuxJones> phin|work,  here you go >> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xfree86/
[11:00] <phin|work> ah
[11:00] <phin|work> thanks alot buddy! :)
[11:00] <LinuxJones> phin|work,  np man GL :D
[11:00] <|trey|> phin|work: I really advice holding out on installation untill you have internet... you are unlikely to install the default package set, which is actually a nice set of packages   :)
[11:03] <|trey|> Hmm... or the actual install CD would work.. it has the packages too  :/
[11:04] <phin|work> treyh0: i used the install cd
[11:04] <phin|work> it didnt have em
[11:05] <|trey|> stange  :/
[11:05] <|trey|> It should... surely xpdf depends xlibs?
[11:06] <|trey|> nope... guess not... wierdness  :/
[11:06] <phin|work> ya
[11:06] <phin|work> its ok
[11:06] <phin|work> lol
[11:06] <|trey|> its installed here though... wonder where I got it from  :o
[11:08] <|trey|> phin|work: word of advice... all apt repo's have a pool dir where packages are stored in that mannor (ordered by first letter etc) always look there first  :)
[11:09] <phin|work> yes i did
[11:09] <calc> i found something interesting
[11:09] <phin|work> just couldnt find exactly where it was
[11:09] <calc> the <IP_ADDRESS>-541 kernel that fedora fc3t2 x86_64 uses works fine with CONFIG_PCI_MSI so either they have more needed fixes for the kernel, or it may be something else
[11:09] <calc> wrt bug 1814
[11:11] <|trey|> calc: I couldn't even get a netinst of fc3r2 to work  :(  kept b0rking at one package  :/
[11:11] <joh_> hi
[11:12] <joh_> is it possible to get totem-gstreamer to play divx/xvid?
[11:12] <|trey|> They need to work harder on their images/boot.iso image if they want more people to help test etc... I refuse to install 4 huge ISO's  :/
[11:12] <defendguin> LinuxJones, the quickstarter works nicely
[11:12] <LinuxJones> defendguin, ya it speeds things up nicely
[11:12] <calc> |trey|: ah i didn't realize they had a netinst image
[11:13] <|trey|> calc: they always do... they usually work too  :/
[11:13] <|trey|> calc: Ubuntu is the first full ISO I have downloaded in like 2 years  :)
[11:15] <calc> i already found a bug in their install, it lets you select your lcd size but then doesn't show the resolution to pick from, at least in the 1280x800 case
[11:15] <|trey|> calc: only just over 4 MB's though... such an annoying size  :(
[11:16] <|trey|> calc: I don't have an LCD screen  :(
[11:16] <|trey|> Lucky git  :)
[11:16] <calc> |trey|: installed it on my laptop since debian pure64 and ubuntu amd64 don't work
[11:17] <|trey|> calc: :(  I will be trying FC 3 when its released... I have pretty much given up on the test's though...
[11:18] <|trey|> Mainly to play with LVM2 in a functional state... and to see how annoying/useful SELinux is
[11:18] <axe9dotcom> ^^'
[11:18] <axe9dotcom> How by chance do I install the spell check for OpenOffice Writer?
[11:19] <defendguin> test releases are a ness
[11:19] <defendguin> mess
[11:19] <axe9dotcom> yes
[11:19] <|trey|> defendguin: FC 1 and 2 was fine after test2  :/
[11:19] <defendguin> i never tired them to find out
[11:19] <|trey|> defendguin: then how can you comment?
[11:19] <axe9dotcom> mwahaha
[11:20] <defendguin> i think i tried FC 1 test 1 and gave up after having tried test release for RHL 8 and 9
[11:20] <defendguin> ive had my fill of test releases
[11:20] <defendguin> its all a waste of CDs
[11:20] <|trey|> defendguin: like I said... test1's are always a mess... test2's have generally been fine for me till now  :/
[11:20] <|trey|> this is ot though  :/
[11:20] <axe9dotcom> Yeah, if someone could enlighten me to the method of installing the moduals related to OpenOffice.org applications? IE, how thehell do I isntall spellcheck?
[11:21] <|trey|> defendguin: blah... I waste one CD... still got about 43957436 more  :/
[11:21] <defendguin> axe9dotcom, IT SHOULD BE THERE BY DEFAULT
[11:21] <axe9dotcom> =_=
[11:21] <axe9dotcom> it's not
[11:21] <defendguin> whoops
[11:21] <defendguin> im very sorry for the caps
[11:21] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: check bugzilla... its the same for everyone  :/
[11:21] <axe9dotcom> it is?
[11:21] <defendguin> axe9dotcom, my ooo has a little button on the side for spellcheck
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> same here
[11:22] <|trey|> defendguin: click it... it doesn't work  :/
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> but it doesn't do anything
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> yeah
[11:22] <defendguin> oh lol
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> and if you use the one in tools
[11:22] <|trey|> I typed random text, and apparently it was a word  :/
[11:22] <defendguin> i havent types anything to notice
[11:22] <defendguin> just reading documents
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> an error window comes up, saying"
[11:22] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: I got no error message... it just said it was done checking  :/
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> "error excecutig the spellcheck:
[11:23] <|trey|> surely hdsagjksahgjkhfsajkghfjdghjagahjgsahajkgjfdag isn't a word though?  :o
[11:23] <defendguin> lol
[11:23] <defendguin> the ubuntu release is a test release isnt it?
[11:23] <|trey|> defendguin: yes
[11:24] <defendguin> or a pre release
[11:24] <defendguin> when is the final planned?
[11:24] <|trey|> defendguin: its a Preview Release  ;)
[11:24] <|trey|> defendguin: umm, the end of the same month Fedora is due... thats all I remember  :)
[11:24] <defendguin> ahhhh
[11:25] <|trey|> There is a release schedule someplace  :/
[11:25] <axe9dotcom> English (USA) is not currently supported, or is not presently active. Please check your installation, and if neccesary, install the required language modual. Or, activate it under Tools > Options > Language SEttigns > Writing aids.
[11:25] <defendguin> yeah i saw it but i dont remember
[11:25] <LinuxJones> First release of Warty si scheduled for October
[11:25] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: umm... dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:26] <|trey|> LinuxJones: end of October  :)
[11:26] <|trey|> Fedora is due on the first or something  :/
[11:27] <LinuxJones> |trey|, ya that's it
[11:28] <|trey|> LinuxJones: ps, you mean First release of Ubuntu  ;)
[11:28] <LinuxJones> |trey|, ya
[11:28] <Kamion> well, it's the first full release of warty too. :)
[11:28] <|trey|> Warty Warthog is like Tettnang  :/
[11:29] <|trey|> Kamion: its not the first, its the only  :/
[11:29] <|trey|> first implies there will be more  :/
[11:30] <Kamion> well, there'll be security updates for at least 18 months
[11:30] <Kamion> it's arguable whether those count
[11:30] <axe9dotcom> Which locals shall I add?
[11:30] <axe9dotcom> should*
[11:31] <|trey|> New review to report  :)  http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1651228,00.asp
[11:33] <axe9dotcom> hey
[11:33] <axe9dotcom> is there a hotkey to go between workspaces?
[11:34] <mdz> axe9dotcom: ctrl+alt+<left> and <right>
[11:35] <axe9dotcom> SWEET!
[11:35] <axe9dotcom> yay ^^
[11:35] <axe9dotcom> now to fix spellcheck
[11:36] <|trey|> Like OSX, it wisely uses sudo rather than root to execute commands as the superuser.
[11:36] <|trey|> I didn't know that?
[11:36] <LinuxJones> axe9dotcom, if you get it fixed would you post to the wiki, it's a common problem :D
[11:36] <|trey|> grrr... thats a pretty shitty review though  :/
[11:38] <|trey|> wtf? ctrl+alt+tab seems wierd  :o
[11:39] <|trey|> Shouldn't you be able to enter a menu using that?
[11:40] <theantix> trey, alt-f1 for the menu
[11:40] <|trey|> hmm... I was just trying to find that... thanks... kde's is just f2  :/
[11:41] <|trey|> Could prolly change that though  :)
[11:41] <axe9dotcom> er...
[11:41] <Kamion> |trey|: reasonably positive, would like to know what kind of wireless setup they had so we can fix that
[11:41] <axe9dotcom> I doubt I'll fix it on my own =_=
[11:42] <phin|work> is there a way to mass untar a directory?
[11:42] <piotr_> where i can get mplayer packages?
[11:42] <axe9dotcom> damnit.. now I have to learn how to spell >.>
[11:42] <phin|work> like
[11:42] <phin|work> i have 30 tar files in a dir
[11:42] <axe9dotcom> CURSE YOU OPEN OFFICE!
[11:42] <phin|work> the gkrellm theme pack
[11:42] <phin|work> is there a way to have em all extract in one command?
[11:42] <SleepBOB> I use abiword
[11:42] <|trey|> Kamion: their rambling about VPN kinda bothered me... and stating their favorate is Libranet... editorial preferences are not welcomed for me in a review...
[11:42] <SleepBOB> it has spell checking
[11:43] <|trey|> SleepBOB: aren't you special  :)
[11:43] <SleepBOB> and it approximately 71,425 times faster than OOo
[11:43] <SleepBOB> *is
[11:43] <|trey|> SleepBOB: doesn't help with fixing the OOo issue though
[11:43] <Mayday> phin|work: for WOOP in `ls -1 *.tar.gz`; do tar zxvf $WOOP; done
[11:43] <mdz> |trey|: I thought that review was quite positive
[11:43] <phin|work> i'll try!
[11:43] <SleepBOB> it helps to work around it, but yeah it is an issue
[11:44] <|trey|> mdz: it curtainly wasn't negative... just too much personal preference expressed imo  :(
[11:45] <LinuxJones> axe9dotcom, OO.o spell checking fixed, Open >> /usr/share/myspell/dict/DicOOo.sxw in Open Office and follow instructions !!
[11:47] <|trey|> That should definatly be fixed before release  :)
[11:48] <|trey|> Shouldn't that default to locales setting?
[11:48] <mdz> that's hoary material
[11:48] <mdz> for Warty, it'll get the English stuff installed
[11:49] <|trey|> mdz: seems like warty is just kinda a "hey look, we're a new distro" kinda release  :(
[11:49] <Kamion> |trey|: it's called warty 'cos it'll have warts
[11:49] <|trey|> I think if the first incarnation as good as it can be though, it will sour users...
[11:49] <|trey|> Kamion:  :)
[11:49] <Kamion> it's not quite as bad as "hey look, we're a new distro"
[11:51] <|trey|> Kamion: considering all the things planned for Hoary though, I personally feel like that a delay in the release would have been warrented...
[11:51] <|trey|> Releasing so close to Fedora, Ubuntu has major competition for attention...
[11:52] <Kamion> |trey|: we felt releasing close to GNOME 2.8 was worthwhile. With the number of distributions around now, you can't avoid clashing with somebody else.
[11:52] <Kamion> Anyway, if we only released when it was perfect, what would we do for the release after that? :)
[11:52] <|trey|> Kamion: but surely clashing with the second most popular (according to Distrowatch) can't be a good idea?  ;)
[11:52] <clee> Kamion: heh.
[11:53] <|trey|> Kamion: make all the new packages perfect  ;)
[11:53] <defendguin> Kamion, releasing so close to gnome 2.8 helped so much with people wanting to try gnome 2.8 ut not wanting to use one of the build tools :-)
[11:53] <Kamion> |trey|: can't win 'em all, and we're going to come up against them sooner or later
[11:53] <Mithrandir> |trey|: why does it matter?
[11:53] <defendguin> s/ut/but
[11:53] <Telep> I agree with Kamion - I probably wouldn't have heard of Ubuntu if it wasn't for Gnome 2.8
[11:54] <Telep> sorry, I meant I agree with defendguin
[11:54] <Telep> :D
[11:54] <LinuxJones> Kamion, do you know jeff's email address offhand ?
[11:54] <defendguin> ;)
[11:54] <|trey|> Mithrandir: Just seeing so much that might not be up to scratch in Warty... primary reason for installing was to play with the features in Hoary...
[11:54] <Mithrandir> LinuxJones<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:54] <LinuxJones> Mithrandir, thanks
[11:54] <|trey|> Hoping that they would be at least present in Warty  :/
[11:55] <Mithrandir> |trey|: well, you'll see a lot of them in hoary, then. ;)
[11:55] <|trey|> Mithrandir: but thats 6 months away... and pool/hoary isn't even being populated yet :(
[11:55] <Mithrandir> |trey|: it will be once warty is out
[11:56] <|trey|> Mithrandir: pretty much thinking I will be using that right away  :)
[11:56] <Mithrandir> |trey|: we want to concentrate on making warty as good as possible; opening up hoary would just distract us at this point.
[11:56] <|trey|> Mithrandir: hopefully x-window-system-core will have sufficient depends and conflicts to not majorly break X  :)
[11:56] <Mithrandir> |trey|: it should have, yes.
[11:57] <Mithrandir> if not, it's a bug and should be fixed. :)
[11:58] <mdz> Kamion: back?
[11:58] <|trey|> Mithrandir: I'm not really complaining, Ubuntu certainly has promise, I just think that maybe displaying the planned features for Hoary is unfair  :)
[11:58] <Mithrandir> |trey|: it's not a showoff, it's a wiki, and partly a wishlist, though
[11:59] <|trey|> Mithrandir: I understand that... however at least one person used that to determin whether he would give Ubuntu a shot  :(
[11:59] <mdz> |trey|: you expected the hoary features to be present in Warty? :-)


[02:35] <kylie> hello?
[02:35] <kylie> anyone?
[08:02] <imexil> Hi, I'm contemplating to upgrade from 16.04 stock ubuntu to Ubuntu Mate but instead of reinstalling 17.10 thought to maybe go directly to 18.04. Now I wonder how stable are the daily builds. I don't mind fixing the odd application or am not afraid of changes from one day to another as long as I can run my normal applications. Anyone uses daily also as their daily driver?
[08:02] <alkisg> imexil: I'm using 18.04 in a school, there were a lot of stability complaints
[08:03] <alkisg> I suspect it's related to mate-hud...
[08:04] <imexil> stability as in window manager crashing?
[08:04] <alkisg> Unable to affect anything with keyboard/mouse
[08:04] <alkisg> While e.g. alt+ctrl+f1 works fine
[08:04] <imexil> Ah I see. That would be an issue ;-)
[09:39] <CrazyTux> hello, how can I completely purge Xubuntu DE and Xfce from my Ubuntu Mate installation?
[09:44] <alkisg> CrazyTux: try asking in #xubuntu
[09:45] <CrazyTux> I have Ubuntu Mate installed.
[09:46] <alkisg> CrazyTux: ubuntu mate users know about ubuntu mate, so they can tell you how to uninstall its components etc
[09:46] <alkisg> Xubuntu users know about xubuntu
[09:47] <alkisg> You're asking the question "how to uninstall xubuntu"
[09:47] <alkisg> It doesn't matter if you have unity, kde, lxde, mate  etc
[09:47] <alkisg> Ask in #xubuntu to see how to uninstall xfce...
[09:48] <alkisg> Normally it would be "sudo apt purge --auto-remove xubuntu-desktop", but if you installed from the xubuntu cd, then it would mark the packages as "manually installed", so autoremove wouldn't do much
[09:48] <alkisg> You need to ask them, about which packages their desktop contains
[09:49] <CrazyTux> ok. I will do that.
[09:59] <CrazyTux> hello, does installing multiple DEs corrupt the the OS?
[10:06] <sixwheeledbeast> I cant see why. Do you have an issue or is this a general question?
[10:16] <alkisg> Some times, services from one DE are running in the other DE
[10:17] <CrazyTux> I have Ubuntu Mate 16.04.3 installed on my laptop. I have installed KDE Plasma, Lubuntu and Xubuntu DEs also on this. When I log into Mate the appearance seems to have changed. This was not the one that was there when I had installed Ubuntu Mate.
[10:18] <CrazyTux> When I logged into Xubuntu, the desktop fonts and icons seemed to be blurred.
[10:24] <alkisg> it's best to use VMs for tests
[10:27] <CrazyTux> ok
[10:27] <GenZai> @alkisg, btw thx for the help yesterday. It worked :)
[10:28] <GenZai> Always scary when the grub gets broken :)
[10:29] <alkisg> you're welcome
[10:29] <alkisg> indeed!
[10:46] <CrazyTux> is it advisable to use a single DE?
[10:54] <GenZai> Why would he want to use several DE ?
[11:18] <lmanes> Hello everyone... Mate is really cool! I have been trying all the flavors out there and I think I will stick to this one.
[11:23] <piterke> Witam wszystkich rozmawia ktos tu po polsku potrzeboje porady
[11:24] <lmanes> polski facet!
[11:29] <piterke> no tak obecnie pracujacy w niemczech
[11:29] <lmanes> I am running the desktop environment on an bay trail Asus x205ta... everything seems to work! But no soumd!
[11:37] <lmanes> Nie umiem mówić po niemiecku ani po polsku. To jest smutne.
[11:38] <lmanes> Dziękuję Ci tłumaczu Google
[11:38] <piterke> hej ale to nie problem tlumacz gogle czasami prowadzi nas do lasu
[11:39] <lmanes> Do anyone knows if there is a search button for the store and to also one to search installed programs in the system?
[11:43] <lmanes> las? Czy to polskie powiedzenie? Chcę trzymać się z dala od lasu! zabawny!
[11:43] <piterke> i have a problem i want to instal the program PORTABLE FORMAT FACTORY FOR LINUX
[11:45] <piterke> the forest is a beautiful place
[11:48] <lmanes> yes it is! Good for relaxing!
[11:49] <piterke> genau detch
[11:50] <lmanes>  I found this page talking about an alternative for the Format Factory...
[11:50] <lmanes> https://askubuntu.com/questions/676279/format-factory-equivalent-in-14-04
[11:51] <piterke> was ist mit maine frage format factory for linux ich brahe den program
[11:52] <piterke> This page i know can not downolad this program
[11:53] <lmanes> so you want to find a linux program that can do the same thing? Is that it?
[11:57] <piterke> I need to convert a movie from yutube to soundtrack
[11:58] <piterke> I want to get the soundtrack from the movie
[11:59] <lmanes> i see it
[12:00] <piterke> http://tube2mp3.de/index.php
[12:00] <lmanes> there are a couple of options for you
[12:00] <piterke> here is a nice site but closed
[12:03] <lmanes> I am trying to find a weblink i have
[12:04] <piterke> how can you tell me what these options are
[12:06] <piterke> sudo apt-get install soundconverter
[12:07] <piterke> I installed this program from the terminal
[12:08] <piterke> I will see how it works
[12:11] <lmanes> this website seems to work just fine... i just tried and it was great!  https://yt2mp3.org/
[12:11] <lmanes> It really works!
[12:12] <sixwheeledbeast> i would imagine youtube-dl will do that
[12:19] <piterke> Thanks for the help I offer, I greet everyone
[15:40] <subrag> Hello, I installed 17.04 and it was working fine. I changed my desktop lay out and now I can't see the desktop any more...it's just a gray screen. I can get to the login page ok. Is there anything I can do other than reinstall everything?  Thanks
[16:08] <Menzador> flexiondotorg - Yo, are we putting 1.20 into Bionic?
[16:15] <flexiondotorg> Menzador: Yes
[16:15] <Menzador> Thanks you
[16:15] <Menzador> *Thank you! :P
[20:03] <vens1> I want to boot directly into console mode. No GUI, just a terminal. I found an example that says to edit `/etc/default/grub` for Ubuntu. Is it the same for UbuntuMate?
[20:20] <ray_> hi
[20:21] <diogenes_> hi


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[16:35] <jrwren><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:35] <jrwren> :(
[16:44] <greg-g> I saw this coming when CC0 was released. The use case was 100% scientific/research data, not software, not even content. It came out of the science team at CC (John Wilbanks and crew). That patent carveout was explicitly made to encourage more adoption by eg medical research teams.
[16:46] <jrwren> interesting.
[16:47] <jrwren> i always liked it for source code as a "this goes to public domain". I guess "public domain" licensed software should be removed from fedora for similar reasoning
[16:48] <greg-g> maybe. if it just says "here, this is PD" then there's less worry b/c that implicitly includes any patent rights. CCO is bad because it explicitly says they aren't included in the PD dedication.
[17:21] <jrwren> thats... wierd. there would be no implicit patent rights granted to the users of the PD software
[17:35]  * greg-g shrugs
[17:35] <greg-g> IANAL and all that
[18:23] <jrwren> same.