[06:40] <highvoltage> ogra: howdy. the ubuntu announce list mentions en edubuntu flight 4 cd. is it available yet?
[07:11] <jjjjjjj> hi, anyone here?
[07:12] <jjjjjjj> hi zakame
[07:13] <zakame> heya jjjjjjj :D
[07:13] <jjjjjjj> can i ask a q: ?
[07:14] <jjjjjjj> i would like to setup edubuntu as a server and have thin clients connect to it.  is this feature built in or do i do freenx for that task?
[07:14] <jjjjjjj> i would like to setup edubuntu as a server and have thin clients connect to it.  is this feature built in or do i do freenx for that task?
[07:15] <jjjjjjj> and... do them thin client pc's need a hard drive.
[07:15] <highvoltage> jjjjjjj: it has it built-in, it just requires some post-install configuration
[07:18] <jjjjjjj> sudo apt-get something?
[07:22] <jjjjjjj> i did try sudo apt-get install desktop-server yesterday but saw no real difference from edubuntu-desktop
[07:33] <jjjjjjj> how proficient should one be with edubuntu if he/she wants to try any Testing?
[07:40] <jjjjjjj> well just in case someone else asks the same question I did about terminal servers maybe send them here.
[07:40] <jjjjjjj> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Chapter_5_-_Thin-Client_Computing?highlight=%28thin-client%29
[07:41] <jjjjjjj> thank you and goodbye.
[07:41] <jsgotangco> nice nick
[08:11] <jsgotangco> hey guys i just uploaded an updated edubuntu release notes and should build in doc.ubuntu.com in a few minutes
[08:11] <jsgotangco> still need to check other stuff
[08:18] <jsgotangco> oh wait a bit
[08:18] <jsgotangco> i just remembered
[08:18] <jsgotangco> 5.10 didn't have PPC!
[09:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i see an irc message from you made it onto the flight 4 page :)
[09:30] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:30] <jsgotangco> it was staged
[09:32] <highvoltage> :)
[09:32] <jsgotangco> im building a quick guide page for the distro at the moment
[09:32] <jsgotangco> (edubuntu)
[09:41] <highvoltage> nice
[09:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'm building up a text file with comments i'm going to send to ogra
[09:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it included some things for that start page
[09:41] <jsgotangco> whats in that?
[09:41] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[09:42] <highvoltage> for instance, i think we should have links in that page to the local installation of schooltool
[09:42] <highvoltage> because there's no real link to it anywhere in the entire edubuntu UI
[09:42] <jsgotangco> doc.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to build my current work so if you have a working copy of ubuntu-docs from svn just update
[09:42] <highvoltage> ok
[11:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i've made previews of docs for edubuntu at doc.ubuntu.com
[11:13] <jsgotangco> at the moment it just contains release notes and about edubuntu
[11:13] <jsgotangco> i'll try to finish up the prelimiary quickguide TOC for review
[11:18] <JaneW> jsgotangco: great I'll have a look at soon as I can
[12:47] <pips1> hi all
[12:47] <pips1> JaneW, the meeting about the edubuntu website is about to start, right?
[12:49] <JaneW> oh dang, yes
[12:49] <JaneW> it's slipped my mind, because I didn't set a reminder...
[12:49] <pips1> JaneW, you forget!
[12:49] <JaneW> *blush*
[12:49] <pips1> :-)
[12:49] <JaneW> been arranging 3 sprints....
[12:49] <pips1> woah
[12:50] <pips1> well, I made some progress with the drupal test site in the last four days
[12:51] <JaneW> cool
[12:51] <JaneW> we have 5 mins right?
[12:51] <JaneW> I'll brb
[12:51] <pips1> so, I guess people can have a peek... to inform their views regarding the future Edubuntu website
[12:51] <pips1> JaneW, sure
[12:55] <JaneW> ok back - will be having lunch very late today ;)
[12:55] <JaneW> I had no idea so much of the day had passed already!
[12:55] <JaneW> are the other suspects here?
[12:55] <JaneW> highvoltage, mhz and hno73?
[12:56] <highvoltage> hi there
[12:56] <JaneW> hello highvoltage
[12:56] <JaneW> wonder where mhz is...?
[12:56] <JaneW> hi heno
[12:56] <highvoltage> hi JaneW
[12:57] <JaneW> btw if everone doesn't know; heno = hno73
[12:57] <highvoltage> heno is easier to pronounce than hno73, i'm glad he changed it
[12:57] <heno> yeah, sorry about the change of nick :p
[12:57] <highvoltage> :)
[12:57] <heno> ok, cool :)
[12:58] <JaneW> heno: it looks like you get to be moin advocate
[12:58] <JaneW> mhz is missing
[12:58] <heno> heh, ok
[12:58] <JaneW> we need to get this sorted out today, once and for all
[12:58] <highvoltage> yes, please!
[12:59] <JaneW> shall we hear from the drupal corner and agree that unless drupal can convince us, we default to Moin?
[12:59] <pips1> ok
[12:59] <JaneW> pips1: no pressure ;)
[12:59] <heno> I think your point was good that whoever ends up maintaining it should have a key say
[01:00] <pips1> ;-)
[01:00] <pips1> heno, agreed
[01:00] <heno> (which I don't plan on doing btw :) )
[01:00] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think both are great, so if it's not drupal, it should certainly be moin, and vice-versa
[01:00] <JaneW> heno: right, I think that's the crux
[01:00] <pips1> yeah, the maintenance is the big question
[01:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: ita, to me it makes no difference, so like I say the person who gets the job so be happy and excited about what they are working on
[01:01] <heno> I don't know very much about the workings of drupal, so I wouldn't mind seeing a deployment up close anyway
[01:01] <JaneW> so do we know who will own it, or are there several part-time volunteers?
[01:01] <pips1> but, let's see what people think about drupal ... they can have a look at the test site i whipped up in the last few days
[01:01] <JaneW> ok, the floor is yours
[01:01] <heno> pips1: URL?
[01:02] <highvoltage> there's not really much on that drupal site :/
[01:02] <pips1> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteUnderDevelopment?action=show
[01:02] <pips1> highvoltage, you are right!
[01:03] <pips1> the url are just a few important remarks about the test site
[01:03] <pips1> basically, it's a really old crummy test server, just to show you guys drupal quick, and then I will take the site down again...
[01:04] <pips1> here is the test site url : spock.isz.ch
[01:04] <JaneW> pips1: I was reading that whole page looking for the link to the site!
[01:05] <pips1> JaneW, that was on purpose! ;-)
[01:05] <pips1> hehe
[01:05] <JaneW> pips1: thanks - not
[01:05] <highvoltage> JaneW: he very tactfully forced you to read the entire page ;)
[01:05] <highvoltage> pips1++
[01:05] <JaneW> pips1: how easy is it to change the skin?
[01:05] <pips1> very easy
[01:06] <pips1> i can switch some skins right now for you guys :-)
[01:06] <JaneW> Q:will we have to creat new logins for whichever is chosen?
[01:06] <JaneW> pips1: please do...
[01:06] <pips1> maybe I wait a couple of mins so you can have a look at what's there now
[01:06] <JaneW> pips1: that's the default look right?
[01:07] <pips1> JaneW, new logins when we switch a skin?? no.
[01:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: drupal supports XML RPC so it should be possible to use your launchpad account, iiuc
[01:07] <pips1> JaneW, yes, that's the default look
[01:07] <JaneW> pips1: I mean we currently have wiki logins
[01:07] <heno> changing skins can be easy, but making a good skin takes time ...
[01:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok thanks
[01:07] <pips1> heno, you are right about skins taking time
[01:07] <JaneW> although for these pages we don;t want general public access necessarily
[01:08] <pips1> btw, I realised that The Fridge is running with Drupal... does anybody know who maintains the fridge?
[01:08] <JaneW> heno/ pips1 : would it mean redesigning for drupal, or could the moin look be imported in some way?
[01:08] <JaneW> pips1: daniel robitalle I think
[01:08] <pips1> JaneW, I guess we could modify the fridge skin...
[01:09] <heno> JaneW: much of the CSS and images could be ported I'm sure
[01:09] <JaneW> the fridge has a nice skin, but we'd need to give it an edubuntu look
[01:09] <pips1> well, we'd have to ask daniel robitalle
[01:09] <heno> I didn't realise the Fridge used Drupal, cool.
[01:09] <pips1> JaneW, agreed
[01:09] <JaneW> ok so who will run OUR site
[01:09] <pips1> ok, let me change the skin quick, just for fun
[01:10] <JaneW> pips1: you weren't able to give us much time before
[01:10] <heno> jdub did much of the design work for the Fridge I think
[01:10] <JaneW> which is understandable
[01:10] <pips1> done, this is the spreadfirefox theme
[01:10] <JaneW> I expect in this case we will have a lot of work initially, and then things will settle down
[01:11] <JaneW> I like that one more
[01:11] <highvoltage> pips1: do you have the time resources to run the edubuntu drupal site?
[01:11] <heno> Ah, that's cool
[01:11] <JaneW> after the initial intensive work, we will need someone to do ad hoc edits with a reasonable response time
[01:12] <heno> Another key question: what will the site mainly be used for?
[01:12] <heno> community contributions?
[01:12] <JaneW> and then add new stuff and remove old every few months prolly
[01:12] <pips1> highvoltage, well i have some time, because I currently work part-time only, but it would be on an volunteer basis, it would be good if we can share the responsability and help each other out...
[01:12] <JaneW> I'd prefer to see 2/3 ppl contributing
[01:12] <highvoltage> pips1: i'm willing to do that. i had lots of ideas for the original drupal site too
[01:12] <JaneW> but I think 1 person should lead
[01:12] <pips1> JaneW, agreed
[01:13] <highvoltage> at the moment my time looks better too, it seems that my free time will be better for at least the next month or so.
[01:13] <pips1> I am happy to help
[01:13] <JaneW> heno and highvoltage did a fantastic job last time
[01:13] <pips1> I'd be happy for highvoltage to have the lead...
[01:13] <pips1> or whoever volunteers
[01:13] <JaneW> but we haven't really made changes since then
[01:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: thanks, heno did a fantastic job on the layout though, i have to give him credit there.
[01:13] <JaneW> and I think we need to focus on adding new stuff and keeping up to date and interesting now
[01:14] <pips1> JaneW, yes, content is king
[01:14] <highvoltage> yes, mostly because we've been jumping between drupal and moin
[01:14] <JaneW> yes, I was surprised, I didn't expect our site and wiki to be as fab as they are :))
[01:14] <highvoltage> and partially because we've used moin mostly anyway for pages that should change
[01:14] <heno> highvoltage: nah, you had already done the basic design, I just tweaked :)
[01:15] <JaneW> can we make a call? Drupal vs Moin?
[01:15] <pips1> but I also think that navigation is important, and the site should be very newbie friendly, since we are dealing with educators and kids...
[01:15] <JaneW> pips1: yes agreed
[01:15] <JaneW> ultimately we should have sections for diff users
[01:15] <pips1> JaneW, you want to decide already ?!
[01:15] <JaneW> are there more arguments to be heard?
[01:15] <pips1> I haven't even pointed out some of the features, heck!
[01:15] <heno> perhaps I should show a moin site as well?
[01:15] <highvoltage> i'm fine with both, but since mhz isn't here, i think it's important to note why the moin site is a good option
[01:15] <heno> http://www.theopencd.org/
[01:15] <JaneW> the fact that the frdige is using drupal means the deicision to go there is not that 'out there'
[01:16] <heno> is one I put up recently
[01:16] <JaneW> heno: and www.ubuntu.com of course ;)
[01:16] <highvoltage> it's what ubuntu.com uses too, and users are used to editing pages in both
[01:16] <heno> It has some locked down pages in front and more of an open wiki elsewhere
[01:16] <heno> JaneW: ah, that too
[01:16] <JaneW> heh
[01:16] <highvoltage> heno: that's the single most nicest moin page i've ever seen
[01:17] <JaneW> I like the crsip neatness of drupal and the frames, but I think moin could have those too
[01:17] <JaneW> so I am completely undecided
[01:17] <JaneW> highvoltage: are you and heno in a mutual flattery club? ;)
[01:17] <heno> http://www2.canonical.com/ is another
[01:17] <pips1> heno, wow you even got a forum in there!
[01:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: seems so, yes :P
[01:18] <heno> pips1: It's a bit of a fake forum
[01:18] <heno> but it sort of works
[01:18] <pips1> JaneW, I know that the design is what appeals to everybody, but don't forget the features... :-)
[01:19] <heno> Good point. What features do we need?
[01:19] <JaneW> the forum is quite nice, if it stays low-volume
[01:19] <heno> How should a community contributor go about submitting something?
[01:19] <JaneW> pips1: ok tlak about the features, cos all I know is the look so far...
[01:19] <pips1> well, i think there are lots of features in use in the "ubuntu world" but they are a bit strewn all over different platforms/tools...
[01:20] <highvoltage> what's a big ++ for drupal, is the structure it provides
[01:20] <heno> How tight should the editorial control be, etc?
[01:20] <JaneW> well are we going to do a gallery or will that stay on art.u.c?
[01:20] <highvoltage> i think it should be on the drupal site, but there's no reason why it couldn't be on both, right?
[01:21] <heno> highvoltage: the problem I have foubd with structured CMSes though is that structure becomes limiting
[01:21] <JaneW> heno: I think we should keep a few front pages with restricted access
[01:21] <heno> stopping you from laying things out the way you want
[01:21] <highvoltage> heno: i think i know what you mean, but in which way does it become limiting the most?
[01:21] <highvoltage> heno: is it that "stuck inside the box" factor?
[01:21] <highvoltage> oh i see.
[01:21] <heno> yes
[01:21] <pips1> heno, regarding editorial control, that's somewhat a political/policy question, personally, I like the open approach of wikis very much, I think it's the way forward, but on the other hand, a wiki needs a bit of learning and I think we could provide a more welcoming experience with some nicely done site
[01:22] <heno> I even wrote a rand about it http://www.theopencd.org/news/2005/newsite :)
[01:23] <highvoltage> the reason why i think drupal is a good reason, is because i think more people will be likely to contribute at this stage. technically, moin is nicer. overall, i think that drupal is the best short-term solution (short term being the next year or so)
[01:23] <pips1> heno, regarding structure: that is the main strong point of drupal: it's not so different from a wiki, i.e. free floating pages, but you can then assign those pages with some structure, during creation (by the author) or afterwards (e.g. by a site architect)
[01:24] <heno> pips1: yep. We once had a teacher use the official SFD wiki as a teaching tool, getting his kids to set up hundreads of random pages there. A bit of a mess
[01:24] <heno> though we were getting spammed ...
[01:25] <pips1> heno, huh? what was getting spammed?
[01:25] <pips1> ah, I understood
[01:25] <heno> pips1: that souds pretty good, like topic tags in gmail
[01:25] <pips1> drupal's access control is simple to understand (unlike zope2 e.g.) but quite powerful
[01:26] <pips1> yes, the new version of drupal (which is in beta 4 and about to be released) features "free tagging" VERY NICE
[01:26] <heno> The moin ACL is poweful and flexible, but a bit of a mess to set up; the syntax is confusing
[01:27] <heno> the ubuntu wiki has no access control at all, amazingly it works
[01:27] <pips1> heno, highvoltage, JaneW - I can send you some account login details, then you can have a look "behind the scenes"
[01:27] <JaneW> pips1: ok thanks
[01:28] <heno> pips1: that would be cool
[01:28] <highvoltage> pips1: i'm familiar with drupals interface, i don't think i need one
[01:28] <highvoltage> perhaps also of interest, check all the plug-ins and skins available at http://www.drupal.org
[01:28] <highvoltage> there's a huge community behind it
[01:28] <heno> what about the hosting itself? where will the site be?
[01:28] <JaneW> heno: good point
[01:29] <highvoltage> heno: on the edubuntu server
[01:29] <heno> is that a data center server?
[01:29] <pips1> ok, i sent emails to heno, highvoltage and JaneW
[01:29] <highvoltage> heno: yes, it's name is orcadas.ubuntu.com
[01:30] <heno> pips1: would obviously need access to that
[01:30] <pips1> does anybody else here want to have a look ?
[01:30] <JaneW> ty
[01:30] <heno> ah, ok
[01:30] <highvoltage> heno: it's a big server that currenly hosts 3 html pages :)
[01:30] <highvoltage> heno: and that's it!
[01:30] <heno> ah, yes I remember now
[01:31] <heno> do you need shell access to admin a drupal site?
[01:31] <pips1> heno, don't know, lemme check
[01:32] <heno> with moin, you probably do because we're using it in a non-standard way
[01:32] <JaneW> highvoltage: we have our OWn server?
[01:32] <highvoltage> no, you don't need shell access for drupal admin
[01:32] <JaneW> highvoltage: I thought we just had some space on another server?
[01:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, for all practical purposes
[01:33] <highvoltage> i think heno has root, i'm not 100% sure
[01:33] <pips1> heno, no, you don't need root access
[01:33] <heno> no I don't have root access to any DC machines
[01:34] <heno> just the external pronto servers
[01:34] <highvoltage> JaneW: nope, initially we were going to get an account with an isp, but currently (and for the last 6 months), www.edubuntu.com is the only thing running from that server
[01:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: oic
[01:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: and the technicalities of getting Moin vs Drupal on there... is there much difference?
[01:34] <highvoltage> JaneW: sorry, i see testbed.kubuntu.org is also on that server now
[01:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: you said we needed the sys admins involved...
[01:35] <pips1> hey, nobody participated in the poll yet, under "Contribute" ;-)
[01:35] <pips1> it's a shame that flint isn't here
[01:35] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, znarl was just about to install drupal when i stopped him last time
[01:35] <JaneW> pips1: er, no it's not!
[01:35] <JaneW> pips1: what poll?
[01:35] <heno> drupal is python based?
[01:35] <pips1> on the test site, under 'contribute'
[01:36] <pips1> heno, no php
[01:36] <spacey> wheres the testsite?
[01:37] <pips1> oh, sorry, I remember, i disabled participating in polls for anonymous users, so you need to login with the details in the mail i sent...
[01:37] <JaneW> pips1: LOL
[01:37] <pips1> spacey, spock.isz.ch
[01:38] <heno> and the admins are fine with a php-based site?
[01:38] <spacey> dapper drake is a duck as well =)
[01:39] <heno> How is the data stored? in a database? how do version upgrades work? How easy is it to dump the content out of the system?
[01:39] <pips1> heno, in a sql database, either mysql or preferably, postgresql
[01:40] <pips1> small version upgrades can be done with patch files
[01:40] <pips1> large version upgrades also, I think, need to check
[01:41] <pips1> re dumping the content, hmm, don't know, I think there are some export options, the latest version definitely supports exports to docbook
[01:43] <heno> How much existing data do we have that needs to be transfered? will we still use the wiki for much of it?
[01:43] <pips1> so, what do we do now... i expected some more of the usual suspects to be here.. including the documentation folk, ...
[01:45] <heno> The drupal solution looks fine to me (though I don't know much about the technical aspects)
[01:45] <pips1> heno, I think the wiki will still be used for much of the free flowing user contributions, but the point of the official site is to give newbies a nice base to get started, and offer ONE place for that... i.e. there is an forum on the site....
[01:45] <heno> I'd be happy to give advice on the layout and skinning of it
[01:45] <pips1> heno, cool
[01:46] <JaneW> ok, so do we have a verdict?
[01:46] <heno> pips1: right real new newbies seem to like forums
[01:46] <pips1> highvoltage, you have gone a bit quiet
[01:46] <JaneW> shall we have a quick vote?
[01:46] <highvoltage> sorry, multitasking
[01:46] <pips1> the four of us will vote? :-)
[01:46] <JaneW> or does anyone want to represent Moin quickly, to be fair?
[01:47] <JaneW> I think let's vote here, then send results to mailing list
[01:47] <pips1> what happened to supporter no. 1?
[01:47] <pips1> mhz
[01:47] <pips1> ?
[01:47] <highvoltage> one question, kind of in the defense of moin
[01:47] <JaneW> if there is no outcry the vote stands...
[01:47] <JaneW> pips1: I dunno
[01:47] <highvoltage> what will happen to all the existing moin pages, will we keep them, and continue to use the moin for the wiki
[01:47] <highvoltage> and keep both? or just have the drupal site?
[01:48] <JaneW> well the ubuntu wiki is moin...
[01:48] <JaneW> and we tag onto that
[01:48] <JaneW> it's merged
[01:48] <JaneW> so I guess it has to stay moin...
[01:48] <highvoltage> so if we use drupal, we use both the druap site and moin?
[01:48] <pips1> highvoltage, I think we should have the wiki as a place for community contributions from more experienced folk
[01:49] <JaneW> we need ppl to be able to search the ubuntu pages for support
[01:49] <highvoltage> in that case, we have very little to loose, becaulse we'll have the functionality of both
[01:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: right, it;s just that we have to maintain both
[01:49] <pips1> highvoltage, yep
[01:49] <JaneW> which could be an issue
[01:49] <pips1> JaneW, yep
[01:49] <highvoltage> in that case, i'm all for the drupal site
[01:49] <JaneW> unless you drupal folk do it as you say :))
[01:49] <JaneW> ok, let the voting begin
[01:50] <JaneW> all in favor of Drupal say +1
[01:50] <highvoltage> +1
[01:50] <heno> I will officially abstain so that mhz doesn't loose all faih in me :)
[01:50] <pips1> highvoltage, but to be clear, the current edubuntu site content (locked pages) will be moved to drupal, and only the open wiki part will be kept at wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:50] <pips1> right?
[01:51] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, the locked pages
[01:51] <heno> sounds right
[01:51] <pips1> +1
[01:51] <pips1> :-)
[01:51] <JaneW> anyone else?
[01:51] <pips1> you?
[01:51] <JaneW> ogra: ?
[01:51] <pips1> ogra, ping!
[01:52] <JaneW> I like the idea of drupal
[01:52] <JaneW> but moin seems safer (yet somehow less exciting)
[01:52] <JaneW> ok so far 2 to Drupal
[01:52] <ogra> pong
[01:52] <ogra> morning, sorry, had a late night
[01:52] <pips1> JaneW, you said it yourself in the mail you sent out, before voting on drupal vs. moin, we need to decided on who is the main person responsible...
[01:53] <pips1> :-)
[01:53] <JaneW> all in favour of Moin say +2 (just so it's dfferent)
[01:53] <JaneW> pips1: right, so who will take ownership?
[01:53] <pips1> JaneW, that is so far out, your voting technique
[01:53] <JaneW> heno/ highvoltage/ pips1/ ogra / mhz: ??^^
[01:54] <JaneW> pips1: yeah sorry I didn't think it through very carefully... *blush*
[01:54] <heno> I still think Moin is a better choice, but it does take some care and feeding when used as a CMS
[01:54] <highvoltage> i can take ownership
[01:54] <JaneW> ok for Drupal say Drupal+1, for Moin say Moin+1
[01:54] <highvoltage> sorry, i've had some interruptions. aaagh! there's the phone again
[01:54] <JaneW> highvoltage: will you manage it? I mean can spare the time?
[01:55] <pips1> highvoltage, good stuff!!!
[01:55] <pips1> applause! please
[01:55] <JaneW> pips1: and are you commiting to help?
[01:55] <pips1> JaneW, sure, as I said, i'm glad to help
[01:55] <JaneW> *bounce*
[01:56] <JaneW> well then it's up to you and highvoltage really
[01:56] <JaneW> and you both said drupal
[01:56] <highvoltage> JaneW: at least for the next month or so, yes
[01:56] <highvoltage> JaneW: after that, if things get as busy again as they were recently, i'll find a replacement
[01:56] <pips1> highvoltage, you seem rather uncertain...
[01:57] <highvoltage> pips1: it's definately something i want to do
[01:57] <highvoltage> pips1: and i have time now
[01:57] <pips1> ok
[01:57] <JaneW> highvoltage: well then we will take it now
[01:57] <highvoltage> pips1: once most of the site is up, the maintenance won't be so much
[01:57] <heno> It looks ike the spread firefox theme can be modified fairly easily to look edubuntu-ish
[01:58] <JaneW> however if you 2 vanish and mhz and heno are left 'holding the baby' I will hunt you both down.. ok?
[01:58] <highvoltage> heno: i saw the same thing
[01:58] <heno> change the header image and some colours
[01:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, that's fine with me
[01:58] <pips1> highvoltage, yeah, getting the site up is the greatest effort, but I think the *content* needs constant encouragement...
[01:58] <JaneW> heh, cool
[01:58] <highvoltage> heno: i think it will look even nicer than the real ubuntu theme, since the sff theme is so nice and smooth, i'm downloading it now to play with it
[01:58] <JaneW> ogra: you ok with this?
[01:59] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, you're right, i think we can manage it by having weekly website meetings, and managing the site almost like the docteam does with it's documentation
[01:59] <ogra> i'm ok with everything you decide here, the people who have to work with it count ...
[01:59] <JaneW> ok, we can't change our minds again on this.
[01:59] <highvoltage> ie, set regular, small achievable goals, etc.
[01:59] <JaneW> so the final verdict is Drupal
[02:00] <JaneW> and highvoltage will make sure it gets done, and pips1 is going to help
[02:00] <JaneW> agreed?
[02:00] <highvoltage> yes
[02:00] <Yagisan> I know I have nothing to do with this - but are either drupal or moin in main ?
[02:00] <ogra> one thing we should make sure is that we now *really* have a final decision ... we jumped back and forth with this topic ...
[02:00] <highvoltage> pips1: i think they (us) should be fine, since the moin site will remain
[02:00] <Yagisan> because I would not want to track security issues if eiter are not
[02:00] <heno> often the act of making a decision and getting on with it is more important than what the actual choice is
[02:01] <heno> So, I think this is a good thing
[02:01] <highvoltage> ok, so it's drupal, I'm emailing znarl on it, and that's the final word!
[02:01] <Yagisan> s/eiter/either
[02:01] <pips1> ok, fine
[02:02] <pips1> Yagisan, don't know about moin, but drupal isn't in main
[02:02] <pips1> highvoltage, I recommend the drupal book that has come out not long ago
[02:02] <JaneW> I thin we did this democratically and we did give ppl notice of the meeting so they can't complain
[02:03] <JaneW> I'll send a follow-up note to the mailing list
[02:03] <heno> yep, good meeting. Thanks for inviting :)
[02:03] <pips1> JaneW, yes, thanks!
[02:03] <highvoltage> thanks JaneW
[02:03] <JaneW> highvoltage: I have no idea what our dapper artwork will look like, but I like the current colour scheme etc that we have, so can you guys work with that
[02:03] <pips1> heno, thanks for coming too! see you!
[02:04] <JaneW> thanks heno, I appreciate your input
[02:04] <JaneW> it got frgotten today, and now my stomach is reminding me
[02:05] <pips1> same here
[02:05] <highvoltage> JaneW: on that, it's definate that a professional is doing the artwork, right?
[02:05] <pips1> highvoltage, so you definitely have some time this month, right?
[02:06] <pips1> highvoltage, when can we get started? now? :-)
[02:07] <pips1> (well, after lunch)
[02:07] <highvoltage> pips1: yes. i'm downloading drupal for local testing, and i'm sending that mail to KArl
[02:07] <pips1> cool
[02:07] <highvoltage> pips1: i'm aiming to have a proto.edubuntu.org up by thursday
[02:07] <pips1> nice
[02:07] <highvoltage> pips1: i will escalate pesting levels accordingly to get it done ;)
[02:07] <pips1> hehe
[02:08] <Yagisan> pesting - oh no. sounds bad ;
[02:08] <Yagisan> is tha like being a pest
[02:08] <Yagisan> ?
[02:08] <pips1> highvoltage, what's your preferred way of communicating? here on irc or mails?
[02:08] <Yagisan> gah - birthday girl is hitting the keyboard
[02:09] <highvoltage> pips1: irc, unless i'm marked as away, then jabber and e-mail is best.
[02:09] <highvoltage> jabber is best even when i'm away, since messages will be kept until i log on
[02:09] <highvoltage> Yagisan: on edubuntu, i hope!
[02:10] <pips1> ah, jabber, haven't used that before, what client are you using for that?
[02:10] <Yagisan> highvoltage: she just turned 2, and no - she's on ubuntu proper
[02:10] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes we will have some prof work, one screensave, one splashscreen 9I think) and a CD civer design
[02:11] <pips1> Yagisan, happy birthday to your daughter :-)
[02:12] <Yagisan> thank you pips1
[02:14] <highvoltage> Yagisan: yes, happy birthday to your daughter!
[02:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: and LDM theme?
[02:17] <JaneW> LDM?
[02:18] <Yagisan> Ltsp Display Manager
[02:18] <ogra> JaneW, you should really test our product :P
[02:18] <divansantana> ogra: Hi its Divan again.
[02:19] <ogra> highvoltage, i think we can go with the colorset from gdm (whichever that finally will be) and just stick the logo on top ...
[02:19] <divansantana> I am loving this LTSP in Kubuntu!
[02:19] <ogra> (as it is now)
[02:19] <JaneW> ogra: lol
[02:19] <divansantana> Internal is loving it too.
[02:19] <JaneW> ogra: I have it on my laptop
[02:19] <Yagisan> JaneW: lies ! ;)
[02:20] <JaneW> want a screenshot? :P
[02:20] <ogra> JaneW, but you urgently need a LTSP lab .... (at least to decide about ldm themes) ;)
[02:20] <Yagisan> JaneW: of LDM sure :)
[02:20] <JaneW> I have even stopped putting picture of my kids as the wall paper, in favor of the edubuntu girl
[02:20] <ogra> heh
[02:21] <JaneW> but yes I need to see LTSP-proper in action
[02:21] <divansantana> ogra: Only problem is display manager (kdm/sdm/ldm - not sure??) is not sending out/accepting broadcasts XDMCP requests.Should I enable it in kdm file or xdm or ldm or neither?
[02:21] <JaneW> ogra: !
[02:21] <Yagisan> JaneW: your poor kids. I tried to attach mine to the screen, but the bluetac isn't strong enough
[02:21] <ogra> divansantana, ubuntu ltsp doesnt use xdmcp at all
[02:21] <JaneW> Yagisan: use super glue!
[02:21] <Yagisan> divansantana: it is not supposed to send XDMCP request. that is not used
[02:21] <ogra> divansantana, ldm uses a ssh tunnel ...
[02:22] <highvoltage> ogra: that sounds good (what you described as ldm theme)
[02:22] <Yagisan> JaneW: I need something non-toxic, mum might want them back one day
[02:22] <ogra> Yagisan, yes, mustard is way easier to get on the screen than girls :)
[02:22] <divansantana> ogra:Ok, the old LTSP thin clients booted off a knoppix CD which simply search for any X servers and connects to it via etherboot i think. Can Ubuntu LTSP do the same?
[02:22] <JaneW> Yagisan: ok, peanut butter and jam/jelly
[02:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: let me know when you're in at the office again
[02:23] <divansantana> At the moment get a gray screen with X cursor. But if boot off PXE works fine.
[02:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: i can always arrange a demo for you :)
[02:23] <JaneW> highvoltage: will do - thanks!
[02:23] <JaneW> highvoltage: were you affected by the power outage yesterday?
[02:24] <ogra> highvoltage, you noted that ldm already includes a edubuntu theme ?
[02:24] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes, so i finally started reading Free Culture
[02:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060220102611846C246718 I was wondering if I would be able to work today, we were off the whole day yesterday...
[02:24] <Yagisan> ogra: but girls look better ;) (her brother will be upset about that)
[02:25] <ogra> Yagisan, heh
[02:25] <highvoltage> ogra: not yet, this weekend i played with flight3, and when i wanted to play with a thin client on it, our power went out.
[02:25] <highvoltage> grrrrr...
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: you are a freak
[02:25] <ogra> JaneW, why ?
[02:26] <zakame> evening edubunteros!  :D
[02:26] <ogra> JaneW, ah, kbecause i put mustard on my desk ... yes :)
[02:27] <JaneW> ogra: I though you were saying you prefered mustart to girls
[02:27] <ogra> lol
[02:27] <JaneW> tart? make that tard
[02:27] <Yagisan> JaneW: what were *you* thinking - naughty girl
[02:27] <JaneW> lol
[02:27] <ogra> JaneW, really.... there are girls in this world where i'd prefer mustard ... :)
[02:27] <JaneW> haha
[02:27] <ogra> if its good mustrad ...
[02:27] <Yagisan> ogra: I feel that looking at the locals ...
[02:28] <highvoltage> we should have a quotes.edubuntu.org for some of the things said in this channel, that mustard thing is real funny!
[02:28] <ogra> Yagisan, oh, what good choices of local mustard are there in sydney ?
[02:28] <Yagisan> highvoltage: expect me in it at least once a week
[02:29] <divansantana> ogra:Ok, the old LTSP thin clients booted off a knoppix CD which simply search for any X servers and connects to it via etherboot i think. Can Ubuntu LTSP do the same?
[02:29] <divansantana> At the moment get a gray screen with X cursor. But if boot off PXE works fine.
[02:29] <divansantana> Sorry to but you Oliver, just not sure how to do that
[02:29] <Yagisan> ogra: well I like Australian mustard, nice and savoury, but Hot English is nice with Japanese food if you can't find Wasabi
[02:30] <ogra> divansantana, seems you run the ltsp.org classic ltsp ... that has not much to do with our ltsp implementation ... i'd guess you look at wiki.ltsp.org ...
[02:31] <Yagisan> but the "chicks" here - they only exist in the photoshopped pages of mens magazines - because I sure as hell don't see them outside
[02:31] <jsgotangco> nurse i need help!!!
[02:31] <ogra> Yagisan, ah, i thought you talked about the local mustard, indeed you meant the girls :)
[02:32] <Yagisan> divansantana: no - ubuntu ltsp does not work like that. that is an insecure method.
[02:32] <divansantana> ogra:I didn't do that implemtation at all, i promise. I install kubuntu breezy 5.10 and apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone & didnt run any ltsp-admin or whatever
[02:32] <pips1> highvoltage, I tried sending you a message on jabber but no luck...
[02:33] <divansantana> ogra: This is only command I have run, ltsp-update-sshkeys could that break it?
[02:33] <ogra> divansantana, ah, moment ... you run a ubuntu ltsp .... and for testing you booted the client off a knoppix CD ?
[02:33] <ogra> divansantana, nope
[02:33] <highvoltage> pips1: i'm signed in and everything seems okay this side.
[02:34] <pips1> highvoltage, I just signed up, my jabber name is pips1
[02:34] <Yagisan> divansantana: I wrote an etherboot/pxe howto on the wiki. I'm sure ogra remembers the link
[02:34] <highvoltage> pips1: pips1@?
[02:34] <pips1> yes
[02:34] <ogra> but you wont have luck with knoppix ... its using a local system based on, well, knoppix ... and will only work with old ltsp ...
[02:34] <highvoltage> pips1: @ what? @jabber.org?
[02:34] <ogra> can your users login on the server directly  ?
[02:34] <Yagisan> divansantana: just make pxe compatable boot cd images, and it will work fine
[02:34] <pips1> oh, yes, jabber.org (I think)
[02:35] <pips1> sorry, new to this...
[02:35] <ogra> Yagisan, i think his clients do PXE as i understood the above there is only a login problem with the default setup
[02:35] <highvoltage> no problem
[02:35] <divansantana> ogra: yes, they can. and via FreeNX and via PXE from thin clients, just some NICs/BIOS dont support PXE
[02:35] <highvoltage> pips1: a jabber ID looks like an e-mail address, eg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:35] <ogra> divansantana, ah ...
[02:35] <Yagisan> ah
[02:36] <divansantana> ogra: Maybe like you said its because of knoppix doesnt work on ubuntu LTSP. I will try boot CD as per the wiki
[02:36] <ogra> divansantana, so Yagisans advise was right ... grab his howto and make boot CDs/floppies, whatever
[02:36] <ogra> yup
[02:36] <divansantana> Yagisan: Thanks I think it was your wiki that I have been reading.
[02:36] <ogra> that will solve it ... your etherboot clients will behave like PXE clients with it ...
[02:36] <divansantana> ogra: K will try that!! Thanks you TOO very much!!
[02:37] <divansantana> ogra: awesome I hope so!! Thanks as always!!
[02:37] <ogra> :)
[02:38] <ogra> just dont break it ;) its the second most read howto after the install notes ... i even recommend it in #ltsp :)
[02:39] <highvoltage> ogra: wow!
[02:40] <Yagisan> ogra: I won't break it. But I *am* tempted to put my name back on it ;)
[02:42] <highvoltage> you know you spend too much time on IRC when you type /quit in gnome-terminal to close it.
[02:43] <highvoltage> although, i've pressed ^d in IRC a few times too :)
[02:45] <highvoltage> cheers, #edubuntu!
[02:46] <Yagisan> hmm
[02:46] <Yagisan> Is it possible to set up a system wide wine install ?
[02:47] <Yagisan> it seems tedious to symlink magic all .wine directories
[03:06] <bob> hey again ogra
[03:07] <bob> what was that file i had to edit to set the screen res for clients?
[03:43] <tuhl> ping ogra
[03:56] <bob> hey again ogra
[03:56] <bob> what was that file i had to edit to set the screen res for clients?
[04:07] <spacey> mhz: ping
[04:07] <spacey> :)
[04:08] <tuhl> ogra_: ping
[04:09] <ogra_> tuhl, pong
[04:10] <mhz> spacey: pong
[04:10] <mhz> hehe, lots of ping pong's
[04:11] <mhz> JaneW: hi there, already recovered 100%
[04:11] <JaneW> mhz: hi, you (or me?)
[04:12] <mhz> JaneW: you
[04:12] <JaneW> mhz: just packing up - going to gym shortly
[04:12] <JaneW> mhz: yes I am much better thanks
[04:12] <mhz> JaneW: oh, nice!
[04:12] <JaneW> mhz: I can't fully shake it though - odd
[04:12] <mhz> JaneW: any news from "your boss" ?
[04:12] <mhz> JaneW: LOL
[04:12] <JaneW> mhz: nada
[04:12] <mhz> :(
[04:12] <mhz> well, shall I just forget about his participation?
[04:13] <mhz> and move on?
[04:16] <spacey> mhz: i have a stupid question ;p
[04:16] <mhz> JaneW: ?
[04:16] <mhz> spacey: no question is ever stupid
[04:16] <spacey> if you ask someone his name in spanish? Como te llamas?
[04:16] <spacey> :P
[04:17] <spacey> tu
[04:17] <mhz> spacey: como te llamas? [it's perfect]
[04:17] <spacey> ok
[04:17] <spacey> great
[04:17] <spacey> :P
[04:17] <spacey> thanks
[04:17] <spacey> thanks senor hernandez
[04:17] <mhz> spacey: como se llama? [it's for people you want to show special respect, like older people]
[04:18] <spacey> i need spanish special characters ;p
[04:18] <mhz> spacey: yeah, but I dont use them unless I am writing docs or wiki
[04:21] <spacey> and if you reply to that? Soy spacey, ?Que es? (and you?)
[04:21] <spacey> :p
[04:21] <spacey> never thought i would abuse edubuntu for my spanish lessons ;p
[04:22] <mhz> spacey: Soy Mauricio / Me llamo Mauricio / Mauricio
[04:23] <mhz> spacey: y tu? / y tu como te llamas? / cual es tu nombre?
[04:24] <spacey> cool
[04:24] <spacey> thanks :)
[04:24] <mhz> spacey: no thanks! U$500 cash!
[04:24] <Yagisan> ripoff!!
[04:25] <mhz> :D
[04:25] <spacey> grazias :p
[04:25] <spacey> & sue me ;p
[04:26] <mhz> lol
[04:26] <Yagisan> spacey: got enough assets to make it worth our while ;)
[04:26] <Yagisan> class action - quick lets clean him out ;)
[04:27] <spacey> i got insurance for laywer costs ;p
[04:27] <spacey> Yagisan: too bad i don't live in usa ;p
[04:28] <Yagisan> spacey: yeah, I should have checked your info first
[04:28] <Yagisan> spacey: .nl right ?
[04:28] <spacey> fortunately dutch law system is not as crappy as usa ;p
[04:29] <spacey> yeah
[04:29] <mhz> .oO(these people are nuts)
[04:29] <Yagisan> spacey: one day you to will sign a "free" trade agreement and have to import that crap wholesale
[04:29] <spacey> hehe
[04:30] <spacey> the day I emigrate
[04:31] <Yagisan> spacey: down under the politicions where smoking some bad stuff and signed a FTA with the USA. now the USA is trying to abolish our cheap medicines
[04:32] <Yagisan> spacey: so people here can die, if they can afford inflated medicine costs from USA based companies
[04:32] <Yagisan> s/can/can't
[04:32] <Yagisan> bah s/can afford/can't afford
[04:32] <spacey> i don't think EU knows what Free Trade is
[04:33] <Yagisan> spacey: USA doesn't. It thinks it means it can sell to you, but you can't sell to it
[04:33] <spacey> :>
[04:33] <spacey> sucks
[04:39] <spacey> ask me in half a year if i like the people
[04:39] <spacey> i'll go there on holiday this summer :)
[04:39] <Yagisan> spacey: I've only met the ones here on holiday, they seem nice
[04:39] <spacey> :>
[04:40] <spacey> i never go to amsterdam, so i never meet them
[04:41] <Yagisan> spacey: although I have no intention of going there - they like to arrest security expects on dmca clauses when you arrive
[04:41] <Yagisan> s/expects/experts
[04:41] <Yagisan> spacey: amsterdam, isn't that where pot is legal ?
[04:44] <spacey> Yagisan: its legal in the entire netherlands however amsterdam is popular with the tourists
[04:47] <Yagisan> spacey: it seems to cause mental issues if you have too much of the stuff
[04:47] <spacey> depends
[04:47] <Yagisan> spacey: I know/knew some people that it seems to have stuffed with their heads
[04:48] <spacey> after you smoke it
[04:48] <spacey> it has quite some effect ofcourse
[04:48] <Yagisan> I can be around people smoking it, the fumes cause me to get bad headaches
[04:48] <Yagisan> s/can/can't
[04:49] <spacey> however on the long term it shouldn't.  Especially if you already have high risk of getting mental disease. Smoking it a lot in your youth is a really bad thing.
[04:51] <spacey> s/youth/teens
[04:52] <Yagisan> spacey: yeah, the sperm donor that knocked my mother up (well, you can't be a father if you aren't there) was a real big pot head when he was a teen. He's now rather odd
[04:53] <Yagisan> spacey: I'm rather surprised I made it, because it does wonders for your sperm count
[04:54] <spacey> well people can be odd without pot as well
[04:54] <jsgotangco> err you really had to be so detailed wit the sperm donor bit?
[04:55] <Yagisan> true, but like alcohol, it seems too much is not a good idea
[04:55] <spacey> imo its almost the same as alcohol
[04:55] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: well, she didn't go to  a sperm donor, but he was never there, so he may as well have been
[04:56] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: there a lesson there.  Bit hard to do it with small kids though
[05:00] <spacey> hm yeah
[05:00] <spacey> well
[05:01] <spacey> have to wait till they grow up
[05:01] <spacey> :>
[05:01] <spacey> i guess
[05:01] <spacey> time to mentally prepare for spanish lesson with some anime ;p
[05:01] <spacey> and then i'm off
[05:01] <spacey> cya
[05:01] <Yagisan> cya spacey
[05:08] <Yagisan> night all
[08:48] <mhz> ogra: I have been invited to talk about current dev. status of dapper, the way Ubuntu community works, how to join teams, and the areas which need more volutneers on regular basis.
[08:48] <mhz> ogra: obviously , I only have little ideas on those subjects. Do you have a presentation about this, so I can use it as base?
[08:49] <Burgwork> mhz, there are some presentations on the wiki you can freely steal from
[08:53] <mhz> Burgwork: yeah, I know, it is just faster to ask before reading one by one (if they were in the wiki format, they would be easy to track and find :D )


[01:32] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:32] <LaserJock> Edubuntu is listed as discontinued on Distrowatch, that can't be good
[02:08] <LaserJock> ogra: you happen to be up?
[05:33] <Ahmuck> hi alkisg
[05:33] <alkisg> Hey Ahmuck
[17:25] <dinda> is there a meeting in 35 minutes today?
[17:31] <LaserJock> dinda: I believe so
[17:33] <dinda> LaserJock: ok, great, will be bak then
[17:58] <LaserJock>  ** Edubuntu meeting in 2 minutes **
[18:09] <xzaz> Hi there can someone point me in the right direction for the wireless drivers for BCM 4311 network (wirless) drivers i'v tried many things but i can seem to get it to work..
[19:08] <LaserJock> category icons
[19:08] <LaserJock> like for math, reading, science, etc.
[19:08] <LaserJock> and for age ranges
[19:08] <nubae> right... what is the problem
[19:08] <nubae> that they dont exist?
[19:08] <LaserJock> primary school, high school, university
[19:08] <LaserJock> yeah, mostly
[19:08] <LaserJock> right now we're kind of using the same icon for lots of things
[19:08] <LaserJock> and it's bad usability
[19:08] <alkisg> For higher ages, I don't think that custom icons are needed...
[19:09] <LaserJock> what we need is an icon that represents the age
[19:09] <nubae> ok, is there a list somewhere that we can look at of icons that need overhaul?
[19:09] <LaserJock> i.e. we need an icon for the ubuntu-edu-tertiary package
[19:09] <LaserJock> I don't have one, no
[19:09] <nubae> ok, can we put that some place?
[19:09] <LaserJock> I don't think I have time to get go through everything
[19:09] <nubae> wiki maybe
[19:10] <nubae> well, just when u run into something
[19:10] <nubae> thats why I mean put it on a wiki, that way we can mention icons here and there as we run into them
[19:10] <LaserJock> but maybe we could start with an email to edubuntu-devel/users for stuff people have notices
[19:10] <LaserJock> *noticed
[19:10] <LaserJock> I can give you a small list of my immediate leaves
[19:10] <LaserJock> *needs
[19:10] <LaserJock> but I gotta run
[19:11] <LaserJock> talk to you all later
[19:11] <nubae> ok, please do that
[19:11] <nubae> talk later
[21:36] <dgroos> Good afternoon/evening/night/morning!
[21:36] <dgroos> I like fridays--gives me time fix things on the server :)
[22:28] <dgroos> I cloned my server with clonezilla--great stuff.  Then with same program, burned it onto a new server.  Problem is...
[22:29] <dgroos> ... on the new server I do ifconfig and it says eth2 and eth3 as my two nics.  The /etc/network/interfaces file defines eth0 and eth1.  Should I...
[22:31] <dgroos> try to rename the nics as eth0 and eth1 (don't know how) or should I make the /etc/network/interfaces config file say eth2 and eth3?  Any opinions?
[22:33] <dgroos> After (because of!) writing above I had a thought and noticed that /etc/network has 3 interfaces config files: interfaces, interfaces~ and interfaces.bak-0  Should I delete something?
[22:48] <dgroos> any inclinations one way or another?


[21:02] <ChmEarl> got xen-4.12.1 working in 20.04 after this patchset: https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2019-12/msg00256.html
[21:02] <ChmEarl> all LZ4 related


[01:17] <john11> Hi. I have no dns resolution in 21.4. Dns servirse are set, systemd-resolved is running, dig a.com doesnt Word bueno dig @<IP_ADDRESS> does. I can navigate thru tor in brave but nothing else.
[01:18] <john11> Ping works to an ip but not to domain names
[01:22] <john11> Ok i Just read this is not for support bye


[01:29] <alefteris> hi everyone! where can i find the theme used at ubuntu wiki?
[05:42] <troy_s> alefteris: what do you mean by theme?
[05:18] <coleSLAW> kwwii: Ping?
[05:18] <kwwii> pong
[05:18] <coleSLAW> So I was thinking maybe just the shadow of a fawn, on a brown background?
[05:18] <coleSLAW> That would reduce the contrast?
[05:19] <kwwii> yeah, something like that would be ok, as long as there are not any distince borders
[05:19] <kwwii> or details
[05:19] <coleSLAW> That's why I suggested a shadow.
[05:19] <kwwii> yeah
[05:19] <coleSLAW> Something really soft.
[05:19] <kwwii> and the ground that the shadow is on must be soft as well
[05:19] <coleSLAW> Or perhaps some form of canvas?
[05:20] <kwwii> not sure if mark even wants any kind of distinct form
[05:20] <kwwii> yeah
[05:20] <coleSLAW> A brown canvas with texture?
[05:20] <kwwii> yeah, something like that would probably work


[07:33] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <Kilos> o/
[08:29] <popey> morning
[08:29] <Kilos> hi dpm popey
[08:30] <dpm> hi Kilos
[08:38] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[08:47] <popey> dholbach: when you have a moment to review please - I pushed terminal to the store.
[08:54] <popey> dholbach: also telegram :)
[08:55] <dholbach> let me check
[09:00] <dholbach> both approved
[09:00] <popey> Thanks dholbach
[09:01] <popey> dholbach: already added some data for the next community team update for two weeks time ㋛
[09:01] <dholbach> :-D
[09:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:33] <popey> hey slackers!
[16:33] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119
[16:33] <popey> dpm: mhall119 balloons
[16:33] <popey> davidcalle: :)
[16:33] <dholbach> come on hippies
[16:34] <dpm> mhall119, ^
[16:38] <mhall119> coming
[17:16] <balloons> popey, so I thought you could do the snapcraft jobs on jenkins as a learning exercise; with my help. We can also demonstrate workflows by hooking it up to the build jobs
[17:29] <dholbach> all rightie... I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!


[01:18] <charles_> kklimonda: do you have an opinion on #407692
[01:19] <kklimonda> bug 407692
[01:19] <kklimonda> icon?
[01:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 407692 in transmission "Icon for Transmission does not suggest the program's purpose" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407692
[01:19] <charles_> imo it rates as a low-priority wishlist item
[01:20] <charles_> cute that, in the screenshot he provides, the same problem exists for firefox, pidgin, and ekiga
[01:20] <charles_> I don't know how you make a 20x20 icon that conveys the idea of bittorrent
[01:21] <kklimonda> Well, that's the problem - you can't really present a torrent in any meaningful way as an icon
[01:21] <charles_> I also don't know of *any* bittorrent client that has an icon that would pass the HiG
[01:21] <kklimonda> exactly, I was just writing it in my comment :)
[01:21] <charles_> given that nobody knows how to solve it, and it's a wishlist item, I'd mark it as incomplete and ask them to provide an icon.  or maybe that's too harsh?
[01:22] <yoasif> kklimonda, did i ever talk to you about my website?
[01:22] <kklimonda> yoasif: I don't think so
[01:23] <BUGabundo> charles_: LOL
[01:23] <BUGabundo> guys nighty night
[01:23] <BUGabundo> [[]]
[01:24] <kklimonda> charles_: hmm.. good question. Marking it as incomplete would hide a bug from search..
[01:24] <kklimonda> erm, no
[01:24] <kklimonda> damn, it's too late
[01:25] <kklimonda> please, kick me under the table when you see me babling without any sense
[01:25] <kklimonda> charles_: on the other hand Empathy has a pretty meaningful icon so I think at least some teams are thinking about it.
[01:26] <kklimonda> charles_: (ekiga and pidgin were dropped from karmic koala)
[01:35] <kklimonda> charles_: I'd confirm it (as I agree with op that this is an issue), set as wishlist and add some sort of tag.. but I don't know if there is anything like "artwork-needed" tag used..
[01:37] <kklimonda> hggdh, bdmurray: Is there a tag for bugs that require a new piece of artwork (like a new icon for bug 407692)? Something like "artwork-needed"
[01:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 407692 in transmission "Icon for Transmission does not suggest the program's purpose" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407692
[01:39] <kklimonda> charles_:  But to be honest I don't see anyone providing a good, meaningful alternative for it.. grr.. stupid usability bugs.. ;)
[04:38] <hggdh> kklimonda, no, no such tag
[06:13] <micahg> anyone here running karmic?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> sort of, why?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu+1 has a stack of people running karmic
[06:15] <micahg> :)
[06:15] <micahg> it's for bug triage :)
[06:15] <micahg> bug 407421 just seems weird
[06:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 407421 in firefox-3.5 "firefox-3.5 exits normally when Ctrl + C pressed." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407421
[06:21] <kklimonda> micahg: I can't reproduce it on karmic
[06:22] <micahg> figured...
[06:22] <micahg> thank kklimonda
[06:22] <micahg> *thanks
[06:24] <bcurtiswx> micahg: not able to reproduce
[06:26] <micahg> ok, I'm having the user try a new profile
[06:26] <micahg> thanks
[06:26] <bcurtiswx> yup :)
[06:48] <kklimonda> hey, any idea how to debug a kernel oops? nothing in logs, oops is too long so I can't take a photo
[06:48] <kklimonda> neither do I get a /var/crash/vmcore
[06:50] <micahg> you check the wiki already?
[06:51] <kklimonda> micahg: doing it right now
[06:52] <kklimonda> Wasn't it more automatic earlier?
[06:53] <kklimonda> or was linux-crashdump just installed by default?
[06:53] <micahg> you mean apport?
[06:53] <micahg> it might not be enabled for karmic yet?
[06:53] <kklimonda> micahg: no - kernel crash reports
[06:53] <micahg> apport usually generates them for me on Jaunty
[06:54] <kklimonda> I remember seeing an apport dialog after bad suspend/resume in jaunty beta
[06:54] <micahg> yeah, karmic is only alpha3
[06:54] <micahg> you can enable it if you want
[06:54] <kklimonda> but now that I read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/CrashdumpRecipe a linux-crashdump package is mentioned
[06:54] <kklimonda> nah, apport is enabled by default now :)
[06:54] <kklimonda> brb, reboot
[06:54] <micahg> already?
[06:54] <micahg> ok
[07:00] <kklimonda> yeah, It worked now
[09:02] <micahg> do we link multiple bugs to blueprints?
[09:04] <micahg> nevermind...
[09:19] <kklimonda> when bug is fixed in development release but was reported for latest stable should I nominate it for stable release?
[09:20] <kklimonda> right, As I though
[09:20] <kklimonda> t
[09:23] <micahg> well
[09:23] <micahg> it depends
[09:23] <micahg> on if it qualifies for an SRU
[09:37] <andol> kklimonda: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for more information
[10:36] <BUGabundo> morning !
[10:36] <Hellow> Morning BUGabundo.
[10:38] <BUGabundo> hey Hellow, hello
[10:38] <Hellow> XD
[10:40] <thekorn> good morning BUGabundo and Hellow
[10:41] <BUGabundo> hey thekorn
[10:41] <Hellow> Morning thekorn
[13:31] <bdmurray> kklimonda: needs-artwork actually
[13:52] <yofel> hm, anyone an idea what could cause the apport error in bug 405817
[13:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 405817 in linux "system beep" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405817
[14:09] <thekorn> yofel, I'm not sure, but maybe the user has given apport-collect a read-only permission
[14:10] <thekorn> so he get this 401 when apport tries to add data to the bugreport
[18:28] <greg-g> ogasawara: re bug 245520, that russian post was just a spam comment. Your call on closing the bug due to unresponsive submitter (since jan. 22nd, 2009)
[18:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 245520 in linux "acpi function not work correctly" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245520


[00:31] <JanC> does anybody know why simple install into free diskspace was removed from ubiquity?  (bug #652852)
[00:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652852 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity doesn't suggest to install on unallocated free space (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652852


[02:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:34] <arraybolt3[m]> o/
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> heya arraybolt3[m]
[02:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Anything new in Ubuntu-land I might have missed?
[02:35] <daftykins> arraybolt3[m]: you left us ;_;
[02:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Sorry, had lots and lots of other things to do and our spot was getting too distracting :(
[02:35] <daftykins> hehe np, i can understand that - well if anything ever quietens down, you know where to visit!
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> : )
[02:36] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[02:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Got some interesting projects in the works, though. Latest one is kinda Ubuntu-related so I guess I'll plop it here. https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/kforge
[02:37] <arraybolt3[m]> (That's the latest Ubuntu-related one anyway.)
[02:37] <arraybolt3[m]> It's more KDE-related but KDE and Ubuntu go together in Kubuntu so
[02:40] <daftykins> interesting
[02:42] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I guess I best get back to it.
[02:42]  * arraybolt3[m] buries my head in source code build craziness
[02:43] <arraybolt3[m]> s/source code build/source code/
[02:43]  * lotuspsychje slides over a drink to arraybolt3[m] to handle it
[02:43] <arraybolt3[m]> :)
[07:26] <ducasse> hi folks
[17:59] <schuelermine[m]> I have a question about how Ubuntu manages to set the font and icon theme for every user automatically
[17:59] <schuelermine[m]> I know how I can manually change the theme and appearance settings using dconf & the user shell themes extension for a single user, how to theme GDM using dconf & /usr/share/gnome-shell/gnome-shell-theme.gresource, and how to enable extensions via GNOME shell modes
[18:00] <schuelermine[m]> but how does Ubuntu ensure that all users have the same fonts and icon theme?
[18:00] <schuelermine[m]> I’ve checked /etc/default & /etc/skel for anything that might be relevant but it’s just $SHELL, .profile & friends.
[21:24] <cbreak> so you're claiming that users can change each other's fonts and icons?
[21:25] <cbreak> that'd be very surprising


[01:12] <pleia2> our new logo is now our favicon on wiki.ubuntu-womrn.org :D
[01:12] <pleia2> it's also used for the {*} wiki syntax, so you can see it in action here: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Profiles
[01:14]  * pleia2 crosses that bug off the list
[01:35] <valorie> cool!
[01:36] <valorie> although what I see as favicon is the ubuntu circle of friends, not the UW symbol
[01:36] <pleia2> refresh?
[01:37] <pleia2> maybe be a little hard to see that it's our logo because it's so small
[01:37] <valorie> could be
[01:38] <valorie> true, it is different from the regular ubuntu wiki
[01:38] <valorie> neato!
[01:48] <Cheri703> ugh, I got an accidental "oops, you need to enter your resume on this site, because you can NEVER APPLY FOR THIS JOB AGAIN" -_- trying to update it quickly >.<
[01:49] <Cheri703> (was sort of poking at an application, wasn't really intending to finish it tonight)
[08:49] <elky> pleia2, why does it only show for some people in that table?
[09:32] <nigelb> elky: Isn't that the Ubuntu Member mark?
[09:39] <elky> could be, it would fit, but it's put there manually by the looks. there's also no legend
[10:01] <valorie> dang, I should be going to bed, but I'm a member!
[10:01] <valorie> oh, I have the mark
[10:01]  * valorie calms down and goes to bed
[10:45] <elky> lol
[10:45] <nigelb> haha
[15:55] <pleia2> yeah, I think someone put them in as member marks (I've seen some other teams use similar things)
[15:55] <pleia2> wasn't really maintained though
[22:25] <elky> pleia2, sounds like a job for the man with the spreadsheet :P
[22:25] <pleia2> indeed :)


[00:31] <BrianHechinger[m> You may remember I abandoned USB a long time ago for exactly those reasons. :)
[00:32] <BrianHechinger[m> I'm using the ffado driver. I haven't tried on 21.04 but I never got the AudioFire4 working with ALSA (not that I really cared)
[00:32] <BrianHechinger[m> (with 20.04 that is)


[01:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yep. XD
[16:59] <wxl> did anyone go to the uos session on i386/ppc? i couldn't make it
[17:07] <lynorian> wxl I did
[17:07] <lynorian> One big problem for i386 is people saying firefox support will dropped for i386 in the 18.04 support timeline
[17:07] <lynorian> nto sure about qupzilla i386 support
[17:07] <lynorian> I did find out qupzilla works well on powerpc
[17:08] <lynorian> They are doubtful 18.04 will have powerpc support and they claim that lack of upstream is a really big problem
[17:08] <lynorian> with X and stuff
[17:08] <lynorian> I asked for a link about the firefox 32 bit plans but I could not find it searching
[17:11] <lynorian> worried mainly about lack of web browser support is a main thing in the meeeting
[18:33] <wxl> lynorian: who brought up those concerns primarily? bdmurray? someone else on release team?
[18:35] <lynorian> dhobach I think was a lot of it
[18:37] <lynorian> and pitti worried about maintence load and stuff
[18:38] <lynorian> wxl I don't think bdmurray was there
[18:38] <wxl> oh weird it was his thing
[18:38] <wxl> i'd be a little less concerned about dholbach than pitti
[18:39] <lynorian> and flexiondotorg was there for part of it
[18:39] <wxl> did he have anything to say in favor of i386?
[18:39]  * flexiondotorg is here
[18:39] <wxl> oh hai :)
[18:40] <wxl> your 2¢ then?
[18:40] <flexiondotorg> Just reading the back log.
[18:41] <flexiondotorg> i386 was not discussed much. lynorian has summarised it well.
[18:42] <lynorian> yeah there were hangout problems at the begginng
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> I was in the IRC from the begining.
[18:42] <wxl> i see
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> And there was several mentioned of Lubuntu and Ubuntu MATE.
[18:42] <wxl> honestly, and i'm sure this will disappoint you, flexiondotorg, but i'm ready to let ppc go
[18:42] <wxl> but i have great concerns about i386
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> Some random was speaking for both projects, and I decided to join the Hangout.
[18:43] <flexiondotorg> wxl, I am ready to let it go to.
[18:43] <flexiondotorg> wxl, We should jump together.
[18:43]  * wxl agrees
[18:43] <flexiondotorg> Well, that was easy.
[18:43] <wxl> :)
[18:43] <flexiondotorg> For what release?
[18:43] <wxl> well we have to support the LTSs
[18:43] <wxl> so when 16.04 is done
[18:44] <flexiondotorg> So we could drop it from 17.04?
[18:44] <wxl> i made a decision a while back to support PPC only on LTSs
[18:44] <lynorian> Yeah it has been really hard getting Powerpc bugs fixed was a main thing discussed
[18:44] <flexiondotorg> lynorian, Indeed.
[18:44] <flexiondotorg> wxl, So you haven't released PowerPC for 16.10?
[18:45] <lynorian> no we did not
[18:45] <wxl> flexiondotorg: correct
[18:45] <flexiondotorg> Interesting.
[18:45] <flexiondotorg> And it sounds like you will not release an 18.04 or PowerPC?
[18:45] <wxl> correct
[18:46] <flexiondotorg> So Lubuntu have effectively made their last PowerPC release then.
[18:46] <flexiondotorg> I think there is more value in focus in arm devices that PowerPC.
[18:46] <flexiondotorg> *than
[18:46] <wxl> flexiondotorg: that was my hope. i've discussed it in the past.
[18:47] <wxl> flexiondotorg: the thing that really needed to happen was something upstream. with debian removing it as a release architecture, that kind of seals the deal.
[18:47] <lynorian> The firefox dropping all i386 could be a big problem
[18:47] <wxl> yeah i agree
[18:47] <wxl> that's an issue
[18:47] <wxl> there's no i386 chrome
[18:47] <lynorian> I wonder how long qupzilla will still work for i386
[18:48] <lynorian> but that will be once we switch to lxqt
[18:48] <wxl> chromium is still i386 tho right?
[18:48] <flexiondotorg> wxl So shall we draft an announcement that Lubuntu and Ubuntu MATE are going to drop PowerPC support?
[18:48] <wxl> flexiondotorg: i think so. i'll run it past julien and make sure he's on board and then we'll do it
[18:48] <wxl> flexiondotorg: if we can get it in before this cycle really starts that will save you guys some effort/time
[18:49] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Do you want to put out more-or-less the same words?
[18:49] <wxl> flexiondotorg: i would say so
[18:49] <flexiondotorg> Yes, need to do it before the first Alphas.
[18:50] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[18:50] <wxl> seems chromium is targeted specifically at amd64 https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/quick-start-guide
[18:50] <flexiondotorg> I'll draft something and share it with you guys.
[18:50] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Although also had some armhf love.
[18:50] <wxl> niiice
[18:51] <wxl> oh derp that's chromium-os
[18:51] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Should we run this by the Tech Board?
[18:52] <wxl> flexiondotorg: might not be a terrible idea. i doubt they'll have anything to say.
[18:52] <flexiondotorg> I think they will be fine with it.
[18:53] <flexiondotorg> They did say it was the flavour leads decision.
[18:53] <lynorian> yes that is what I remember as well
[18:59] <wxl> !info chromium-browser zesty
[19:03] <wxl> so https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/linux_build_instructions.md makes it clear that current development of chromium has removed support for i386
[19:04] <wxl> that said, we may be out of a browser
[19:07] <wxl> it will be interesting to see if firefox is dropping i386 support or if gecko/spidermonkey are dropping i386 support
[19:08] <wxl> or maybe more generally the whole mozilla application framework
[19:08] <lynorian> Well I don't know about qupzilla
[19:09] <lynorian> but I am a bit biased in liking qupzilla
[19:09] <wxl> it uses qtwebengine
[19:09] <lynorian> does that mean no i386?
[19:09] <lynorian> their is a current i386 package in repos
[19:10] <wxl> no it means my question is irrelevant to qupzilla :)
[19:10] <lynorian> ugh is there no i386 qtwebengine
[19:11] <wxl> well
[19:11] <wxl> that's based on the wikipedia page
[19:11] <wxl> might be wrong
[19:11] <wxl> libqtwebkit
[19:13] <lynorian> well the new version uses qtwebengine which is not in the repos yet
[19:14] <wxl> oh? hm
[19:18] <lynorian> as latest is 1.8.9
[19:18] <wxl> lynorian: could you follow up with qupzilla and see if you can figure out what their plans for support are? i'm work on firefox a bit
[19:52] <wxl> from what i can tell there's no discussion of dropping i386, but trying to code for specific cpu extensions that could remove a subset of old (and thus i386) cpus https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/10/sse2-support-in-firefox-users/
[19:53] <wxl> !info firefox trusty
[19:53] <wxl> !info firefox precise
[19:53] <wxl> bah
[19:55] <wxl> what that article doesn't explain is that of all the linux versions of firefox reported, 41.3% are on i386
[19:55] <wxl> so to remove i386 entirely would be actually very bad for them
[19:56] <wxl> that telemetry has been going since before precise
[19:56] <wxl> i.e. for our sake, it should be fairly accurate


 @Ivoriesablaze @KMyers Release party ideas
 Dunno, idk if I'll even be able to go depending on if I have surgery
 alright
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63qtYi1nwcs
 I was actually happy to get rick rolled.


[04:10] <jincreator1> Is Oneiric Release iso freezed?
[11:01] <Riddell> I'm on a amd64 installed machine but virtualbox won't let me run an amd64 image, is there a way around that?
[11:04] <cjwatson> bug 322830 has recurred - ouch
[11:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 322830 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "remove /var/lib/dbus/machine-id from installed image (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322830
[11:04] <cjwatson> I think this is respin-worthy for live images, sadly
[11:08] <stgraber> I marked all the images using a livefs as rebuilding
[11:12] <mvo> Riddell: have you considered using kvm instead of virtualbox (if your cpu supports it)?
[11:20] <jibel> Riddell, how is VBox complaining ? with vbox I'm able to run 64bit images even on a i386 installed host.
[11:21] <jibel> Riddell, on the VMs settings, on the 'System/Acceleration' tab is VTx/AMDx enabled ?
[11:21] <jibel> it wont let you start 64bit images if it is disabled
[11:23] <Riddell> jibel: yes VTx/AMDx is ticked
[11:23] <Riddell> when I start an image it says "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU"
[11:25] <jibel> Riddell, and is 'General/Version' set to 'Ubuntu (64 bit)' ?
[11:25] <jibel> this forces other settings to run 64bit machines but that's weird.
[11:26] <jibel> Are you testing an Oneiric candidate ?
[11:33] <Riddell> jibel: hmm, that gives me a whole new error http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/64bit.png
[11:33] <Riddell> I guess I need to twiddle my bios
[11:34] <Riddell> yes i'm testing oneiric
[11:35] <jibel> Riddell, yup, check if VT (or whatever your card manufacturer called it) is enabled in the BIOS.
[12:28] <hggdh> Riddell: just for grins, check if you have loaded the kvm modules. If they *are* loaded, vBox 64bit will fail
[12:29] <hggdh> ((lsmod | grep kvm)
[12:30] <jibel> good point hggdh
[12:31] <jibel> and good morning :)
[12:33] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[12:35] <hggdh> jibel: good afternoon :-)
[12:35] <hggdh> charlie-tca: good morning
[12:35] <jibel> Good morning charlie-tca
[12:37] <jibel> charlie-tca, for info desktop images will be rebuilt (bug 322830)
[12:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 322830 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "remove /var/lib/dbus/machine-id from installed image (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/322830
[12:38] <charlie-tca> Saw it today.
[12:39] <charlie-tca> Thanks, jibel
[14:30] <jibel> rebuild of desktop, dvd, arm and wubi in progress
[14:37] <charlie-tca> Testing ubuntustudio amd64 now
[15:53] <jibel> Ubuntu Desktop posted on the tracker
[15:56] <Chris5268> Can Anyone join the testing team to test new versions of Ubuntu?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:01] <Chris5268> So how would i go about it i was looking here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing and im on Launchpad
[16:04] <charlie-tca> We do the testing during the milestones per the schedule for each release. right now we are testing the final candidate images for oneiric.
[16:05] <charlie-tca> Results of the tests are tracked at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[16:05] <charlie-tca> clicking on a test title gives you another page. On that page is each test required, and the square to the left gives the actual test case to be done
[16:06] <charlie-tca> The cd icon tells where to download that image to test
[16:06] <Chris5268> Ok so its that easy to get involved i can download the latest tesing version and use it then report bugs i find?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> yes, correct
[16:07] <Chris5268> Cool, Just im kinda new to linux (been using it about a year and a bit) and want to get involved more with the community and the projects
[16:08] <charlie-tca> the milestones are the alpha, beta, RC, final images.
[16:09] <charlie-tca> The schedule for Oneiric is finished, with testing today
[16:09] <Chris5268> Cool thanks for the info just wanted to know if i hade to follow any procedure ot anything
[16:10] <charlie-tca> the schedule draft for Precise is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule, which gives you some idea of the testing days
[16:10] <charlie-tca> We usually plan to test the three days before the milestones
[16:11] <Chris5268> Thanks fot the Info
[16:13]  * patdk-wk is working on testing that iscsi boot net delay fix
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu desktop images are ready
[16:15] <cjwatson> most of the desktops are up now
[16:15] <cjwatson> there are a few still to come
[16:15] <cjwatson> Ubuntu Kubuntu Xubuntu Mythbuntu are done; Lubuntu, DVDs, Wubi, and most of the ARM images are still queued
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:48]  * pedro_ syncing
[16:57] <pedro_> QA Meeting in ~3 mins at #ubuntu-meeting
[17:07] <cjwatson> lubuntu desktop posted
[17:38] <bdmurray> Anybody seen bug 867871?
[17:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 867871 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 11.10 beta2 alternative CD installer fails with missing depends on xserver-xorg-video-ati (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867871
[18:20] <jincreator> Is it possible to fix bug even now?
[18:31] <jibel> jincreator, sure but unless it is a release critical bug it will be a stable release update.
[18:35] <jincreator> jibel: Then 'not critical' bugs will still at release version without fix?
[18:38] <jibel> jincreator, they won't be on the CD but can be pushed post-release as updates.
[18:42] <jincreator> jibel: I see. Thanks!
[19:09] <cjwatson> wubi built; now waiting for arms
[19:15] <jibel> thanks, testing ubuntu wubi 64bit
[19:26] <davmor2> cjwatson: but your arms are there between your shoulders and your hands honest :)
[19:27] <roadmr> ^^ priceless
[19:29] <davmor2> roadmr: http://instantrimshot.com/
[19:33]  * cjwatson points to his t-shirt
[19:33] <cjwatson> (may only work for people in London)
[19:34] <jibel> running desktop oem and wubi 32bit
[19:48] <hggdh> syncing xubuntu now
[19:49] <jibel> testing xubuntu wubi 32 and 64 bit
[19:50] <jibel> running oem french and chinese 32 and 64bit
[19:52] <charlie-tca> testing xubuntu 32bit desktop and finishing studio tests
[19:56] <davmor2> cjwatson: mvo think I should get a T-shirt with my new email sig on it.   You make it, I'll break it! :)
[20:02] <charlie-tca> ubuntustudio 64bit finished
[20:04] <jibel> xubuntu wubi's fine, starting kubuntu wubi
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Thank you, jibel
[20:06] <jibel> xubuntu 64bit is ok
[20:07] <charlie-tca> I need a faster internet :(
[20:07] <hggdh> charlie-tca: I do not think it is the internet today, I am also downloading *very* slow
[20:08] <charlie-tca> It is the internet here everyday. I get a full 150Kb/s everyday
[20:08] <jibel> 2706.0 kBps :)
[20:09] <charlie-tca> wouldn't be so bad, but I had a really fast connection last year
[20:12] <jibel> charlie-tca, screen reader installed done. Not perfect but at least there are no regression from the previous milestone
[20:12] <charlie-tca> That's a good start then.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> We think it will be better for the next release.
[20:34] <chris_urie_> Ok i think i may have found a bug in the 11.10 when it locked it said my numlock was on but it wasnt and it logged in ok, But it did say it was on
[20:44] <chris_urie_> Where should i report this?
[20:54] <hggdh> chris_urie_: on launchpad. If you are following an ISO test, at the bottom of the instructions you will have a link
[20:54] <chris_urie_> Well i tried the Ubuntu Desktop i386 and i just happened to notice the NumLock bug i have a screenshot of it
[20:56] <charlie-tca> uh-oh
[20:57] <charlie-tca> I froze ubiquity by checking Install 3rd party software (without checking Download updates)
[20:57] <chris_urie_> im just still getting used to launchpad and the http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com so trying to find where to report it
[21:04] <hggdh> chris_urie_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[21:04] <hggdh> charlie-tca: this is not nice...
[21:05] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I will try it again and keep the fingers crossed. Maybe it is the hardware... which worked for entire disk
[21:06] <chris_urie_> Thanks
[21:06] <hggdh> in my case, I got a black screen on install, but I was on another workspace (and installing under KVM) -- could not wake up the install again, re-started, worked
[21:07] <charlie-tca> whew!
[21:07] <hggdh> so I am assuming it was not the install
[21:07] <charlie-tca> checking both boxes works and so does not checking either box.
[21:07] <charlie-tca> I just I would try just the one box
[21:07] <hggdh> :-)
[21:08] <charlie-tca> froze as soon as I checked it
[21:08] <charlie-tca> I will have to try the other machine
[21:08] <charlie-tca> soon as the studio install finishes
[21:08] <hggdh> jeez, 200kBps :-(
[21:09] <hggdh> and I am on a fully-featured FiOS
[21:09] <charlie-tca> nothing like a quick connection :(
[21:10] <charlie-tca> I am thinking it has to be my hardware. will know soon enough, though
[21:11] <hggdh> yeah. The hell is I should be near 3M.
[21:14] <chris_urie_> Ok i put up a bug report
[21:17] <charlie-tca> hggdh: hardware must be going out
[21:17] <hggdh> chris_urie_: thank you for helping
[21:17] <charlie-tca> the other machine is fine with it
[21:18] <chris_urie_> No Problem im hoping to get involved in the Testing of Ubuntu and help out
[21:18] <hggdh> at least it is not a bug
[21:19] <charlie-tca> yeah. I guess I haven't really lost any hardware this cycle, so maybe it is time
[21:23] <hggdh> sorry
[21:24] <charlie-tca> heh, better to know it is going, than to think the images are failing
[21:24] <charlie-tca> Might be just another hard drive
[21:27] <chris_urie_> Well i have to head off, So does it look like it will release tommrow?
[21:28] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:29] <chris_urie_> Well thats good, I hope to be more involved in the next release testing as i only got involved today
[21:56] <albert23> expert installation (kubuntu/amd64) fails when I select to install openssh-server. It seems to try and install the openssh-server task instead of the package. (unable to locate package openssh-server^)
[22:15] <hggdh> albert23: please open a bug on it
[22:16] <albert23> hggdh: was doing that, but found bug 760340 already exists. Will refer to that on the tracker.
[22:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 760340 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Missing package tasks from expert install mode (affects: 1) (heat: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760340


[00:02] <Darkwing> thank god I have unlimited bandwidth on my webhosting server.
[00:02] <Darkwing> 692115.72 GB in February. :D
[00:16] <dragon> wut?
[00:16] <dragon> How do you transfer that much?
[00:17] <MarkDude> Hey dragon
[00:17] <DonkeyHotei> through the interwebs is how
[00:17] <dragon> hey MarkDude, how's it going!?
[00:17] <MarkDude> your GF takes some great pics
[00:17] <dragon> DonkeyHotei: Oh.
[00:17] <MarkDude> Great
[00:17] <dragon> MarkDude: :D
[00:17] <MarkDude> hey sn9
[00:17]  * MarkDude refuses to keep up with all your nicks :D
[00:18]  * MarkDude has two
[00:18] <MarkDude> well three if you count MarkDude'
[00:18]  * MarkDude just had a pro review his pics
[00:18] <Darkwing> dragon: Android ROM dev stuff.
[00:18] <MarkDude> was kinda hrash
[00:18] <MarkDude> harsh
[00:18] <MarkDude> but honest
[00:19] <DonkeyHotei> dragon is non-single? awesome!
[00:19] <dragon> Darkwing: ah, that explains.
[00:19] <dragon> DonkeyHotei: it's been over 6 months. Where have you been? :P
[00:19] <MarkDude> the pro opinion is still: my vision is better than my skillz
[00:19] <Darkwing> Yeah, I help dev and host the Bugless Beast ROMs
[00:19] <DonkeyHotei> dragon: exile
[00:19] <dragon> MarkDude: wow, that's awesome.
[00:19] <dragon> DonkeyHotei: oh, I'm sorry.
[00:19] <DonkeyHotei> dragon: coming back, though
[00:19] <MarkDude> dragon, has a woman that looks like Issabella rossallini
[00:20] <MarkDude> dragon, 's old lady is hot :D
[00:20] <DonkeyHotei> why? he can do better than her
[00:20] <MarkDude> Even my Grandma said so
[00:20]  * MarkDude will fist fight over that
[00:20] <MarkDude> :D
[00:20] <MarkDude> Dude, that pic of Sam coming out of the crypt, was one of my best pics
[00:21] <MarkDude> at least according to a friend that makes a living taking pics
[00:21] <MarkDude> for Sports illustrated, and for MLB
[00:21] <dragon> O.O
[00:22] <MarkDude> He said she was *kind on the eyes
[00:22] <MarkDude> and I placed her well
[00:22] <MarkDude> COPE
[00:22] <MarkDude> your old lady os hot
[00:22] <dragon> Yes, she is.
[00:22] <MarkDude> (for the record she is NOT old)
[00:22]  * DonkeyHotei has come to be proud of being "single and not looking"
[00:22] <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150685602083805&set=a.10150653867173805.413188.717333804&type=1&theater&notif_t=like
[00:23] <MarkDude> And that pic of Cam
[00:23] <MarkDude> those two
[00:23] <MarkDude> Never was able to show any of Nixie tho :)
[00:23] <MarkDude> Friend me if you are not already on FB
[00:24]  * DonkeyHotei will never be on FB
[00:25] <MarkDude> Cope Sn9
[00:26] <MarkDude> You ok with your ex gf being in my Zombie comic book?
[00:26] <DonkeyHotei> i cope by not being on FB
[00:26]  * MarkDude has been wondering about the answer here
[00:26] <DonkeyHotei> she is no more my ex gf than you are
[00:27] <DonkeyHotei> generally, i don't like the idea of people who know me knowing each other
[00:27] <DonkeyHotei> so, yes, it does bother me that you friended each other
[00:28] <DonkeyHotei> she's right next to me atm, btw, but not looking at the screen
[00:29] <MarkDude> Oh
[00:29] <MarkDude> intersting
[00:29] <MarkDude> awkaward
[00:29] <DonkeyHotei> but at least dragon won't have to deal with her advances again (she really did have the hots for him)
[00:29] <MarkDude> Nixie likes the idea of her being one of her *zombie horde*
[00:30] <MarkDude> Well DonkeyHotei
[00:30] <MarkDude> EVERYONE thinks dragon is hot
[00:30] <MarkDude> pretty much all of us
[00:30] <MarkDude> Looks and braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains
[00:30] <MarkDude> to make a zombie pun
[00:30] <DonkeyHotei> i wouldn't know; i'm straight
[00:30] <MarkDude> Same with me dude
[00:31] <MarkDude> You are still what I would guess as hot
[00:31] <MarkDude> at least gauging from my female friends reactions
[00:31] <dragon> Wut? Who?
[00:31] <DonkeyHotei> if you think i'm hot, it just proves you have no taste
[00:31]  * dragon looks around.
[00:31] <MarkDude> silence is the better part of valor
[00:32] <MarkDude> or for Jonos sake valour
[00:33] <MarkDude> Hell, my tastes are not in doubt, but still. most think you are a fine specimen
[00:33] <MarkDude> :D
[00:33]  * dragon bows.
[00:33] <dragon> Thank you, sir.
[00:34] <DonkeyHotei> MarkDude: idk where you get that info, but certainly not planet Earth
[00:34] <MarkDude> *jealous*
[00:34] <dragon> I'll go home now.
[00:34] <dragon> before I go insane.
[00:36]  * MarkDude just asked a random chick
[00:36] <MarkDude> YEP
[00:36] <MarkDude> dragon, meets the minimum
[00:36] <MarkDude> and as she said
[00:36] <MarkDude> "some would fall in love"
[00:37] <DonkeyHotei> he meets far more than the minimum; i don't
[00:37] <MarkDude> Starbucks is good for asking random questions
[00:37] <MarkDude> Dude
[00:37] <MarkDude> DonkeyHotei, you have style
[00:37] <MarkDude> as MarkDude does
[00:37] <dragon> yay, minimum!
[00:37] <MarkDude> style counts for quite a bit
[00:37] <DonkeyHotei> i don't go by style
[00:38] <MarkDude> DonkeyHotei, cool
[00:38] <MarkDude> we were talking about what WOMEN like
[00:38] <MarkDude> unless we are talking ab out fallinf in love in the mirror
[00:39] <DonkeyHotei> women tend to be very shallow creatures, unless you're talking about the smart kind, which are a rare commodity
[00:40] <dragon> You just called them commodity?
[00:40] <dragon> I can't believe this.
[00:40] <DonkeyHotei> dragon: it's what MarkDude referred to as "style" you see
[00:41] <MarkDude> Just asked a woman from India
[00:41] <MarkDude> yep
[00:41] <MarkDude> Well born here
[00:41] <MarkDude> but Indian
[00:42] <DonkeyHotei> being an asshole is one of my strengths, as MarkDude has said on multiple occasions
[00:42] <MarkDude> She also said she prefers the facial hair dragon
[00:42] <MarkDude> she did say it was personal preference
[00:42] <MarkDude> well yes DonkeyHotei
[00:42] <MarkDude> me too
[00:42] <dragon> MarkDude: scruff is a plus I hear, but no one likes Santa!
[00:43] <MarkDude> I have had women say my *gruffness* a plus
[00:43] <DonkeyHotei> dragon: Mrs. Claus does, apparently
[00:43] <MarkDude> Ok anyone else want a review?
[00:43] <MarkDude> Darkwing, for example
[00:44] <MarkDude> looks like a beatnik
[00:44] <MarkDude> better he shaved :)
[00:44] <dragon> MarkDude: that's a plus for sure.
[00:44] <DonkeyHotei> in any case, opinions from anyone who has not met me hardly count, no matter how Indian they are
[00:44] <MarkDude> Uh
[00:44] <MarkDude> in your case it does
[00:44] <MarkDude> DonkeyHotei,
[00:44] <MarkDude> you have turned down jobs ------most would KILL for
[00:45] <DonkeyHotei> i have not
[00:45] <MarkDude> you turn down speaking opportunities
[00:45] <DonkeyHotei> yes, that i do
[00:45] <DonkeyHotei> but not jobs
[00:45] <dragon> Nobody can turn Steve Jobs down.
[00:45] <MarkDude> And speaking leads to...
[00:45] <dragon> That'd be terrible.
[00:45] <MarkDude> DonkeyHotei, has more skills than most of us
[00:46] <DonkeyHotei> i turn down speaking opportunities because speaking works against my strengths
[00:46] <MarkDude> including dragon
[00:46] <DonkeyHotei> nah, dragon is pretty talented
[00:46] <dragon> Not as much, DonkeyHotei!
[00:46] <dragon> You haven't met my talentlessness yet.
[00:46] <dragon> I have lots of it!
[00:47] <DonkeyHotei> i have no python-fu, and you do
[00:47] <MarkDude> and I dont know many times I have ever said someone has more skillz than dragon
[00:47] <MarkDude> if ever
[00:47] <MarkDude> Nope never
[00:47] <dragon> did you just check your chatlogs in those 5 seconds?
[00:48] <DonkeyHotei> MarkDude: maybe you simply don't know anyone who does
[00:48] <MarkDude> We all have areas of no talent
[00:48] <MarkDude> ALL of us
[00:48] <DonkeyHotei> i have plenty such areas
[00:48] <DonkeyHotei> so does dragon
[00:48] <dragon> DonkeyHotei: how do you know that I know python? o.o
[00:48] <MarkDude> sure.
[00:48] <DonkeyHotei> so do you
[00:48] <DonkeyHotei> dragon: you have a website
[00:49]  * MarkDude still STANDS by DonkeyHotei being one of the most skilled folks in FOSS
[00:49] <MarkDude> And CHOOSES not to go further
[00:49] <MarkDude> You have limitations
[00:49] <MarkDude> we ALL do
[00:49] <MarkDude> Get over them
[00:49] <MarkDude> and take a bad ass job
[00:50] <DonkeyHotei> being skilled is not something to define a person
[00:50] <MarkDude> No
[00:50] <MarkDude> you are correct
[00:50] <MarkDude> BUT
[00:50] <MarkDude> How many of us have turned down high level speaking chances at Google?
[00:51] <DonkeyHotei> not me
[00:51] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello! May I ask where's the list of alternative accomodations? :)
[00:51] <MarkDude> Most of us would kill for that
[00:51] <MarkDude> Timeout
[00:51] <MarkDude> JoseeAntonioR, for UDS?
[00:51] <JoseeAntonioR> MarkDude: Yep
[00:51] <MarkDude> Depends on your sense of adventure
[00:51] <MarkDude> and if you are ok near weeed clubs
[00:51] <gua> is the best channel for cryptsetup-related stuff #crypto?
[00:52] <MarkDude> And gang memebers and such
[00:52] <MarkDude> 1st----- avoid the Tenderloin in SF
[00:52] <JoseeAntonioR> MarkDude: You had a list in the Wiki, I think
[00:52] <MarkDude> be more  cautious the closer you are to Oaksterdam
[00:53] <MarkDude> If you are the caoutious type that is
[00:53]  * MarkDude strolls thru those areas
[00:53] <MarkDude> if you are not cool with that
[00:53] <MarkDude> it comes down to how close vs how cheap
[00:54] <MarkDude> its math- sorts
[00:54] <MarkDude> sorta
[00:54] <DonkeyHotei> MarkDude: were http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L5y60Xnm00 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbEpAuJAow4 "turned down" then?
[00:54] <JoseeAntonioR> MarkDude: Well, a combination of both, if possible. Do you have the wiki page so I can check it?
[00:55] <MarkDude> Uh
[00:55]  * MarkDude has not edited an Ubuntu wiki page in a while
[00:55] <MarkDude> has knowledge of the local area tho
[00:55] <JoseeAntonioR> MarkDude: I saw one a few days ago, but I forgot to bookmark it.
[00:56] <MarkDude> If you drop off- email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:57] <JoseeAntonioR> Great, thanks :)
[00:58]  * MarkDude LOVES Ubuntu, and always wants to help
[00:58] <MarkDude> BUT, there are more capable people than myself for answering questions
[00:59]  * MarkDude would suggest plei a2  (without the space in her nick) or maybe jledb etter
[00:59] <JoseeAntonioR> Yep, but Lyz is on vacation, though :(
[01:00] <DonkeyHotei> afk
[01:01] <JoseeAntonioR> DonkeyHotei: That's her normal away metadata
[01:03] <MarkDude> Well she is in Philly :)
[01:04] <MarkDude> JoseeAntonioR, so you going to be here for just UDS- or for longer?
[01:04] <MarkDude> That sorta matters
[01:04] <MarkDude> or just get a place near UDS
[01:04] <MarkDude> and then get one in SF
[01:04] <JoseeAntonioR> MarkDude: For the UDS. I'm sponsored by Canonical, but I'm 15, and my dad isn't able to pay 105 per night in the Marriott (we agreed to pay 50/50 with Canonical) :/
[01:05]  * MarkDude thinks it would be silly to not spend a few extra days here
[01:05] <MarkDude> Ahhhh- ok
[01:05] <MarkDude> Well see if you can get an extra day or two
[01:05] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll spend only 2 more days :)
[01:05]  * MarkDude went on a trip at your age
[01:05] <MarkDude> and was able to get an extra day
[01:06] <MarkDude> ok - 15- that kinda limits you - only a bit tho
[01:06] <MarkDude> Low end places are not reallly on the list
[01:06] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[01:07] <MarkDude> So near low end
[01:07] <MarkDude> at worst
[01:07] <JoseeAntonioR> I saw a wiki page, but I'm not able to find it anymore
[01:07] <MarkDude> nhaines, ping
[01:07] <MarkDude> Nathan is my go to guy on stuff like this
[01:07] <MarkDude> He knows the wiki welll, as well as being a very nice guy
[01:08] <JoseeAntonioR> yay :)
[01:08] <MarkDude> maybe jbermudes
[01:08] <JoseeAntonioR> Well, Nathan has been idle for two weeks :P
[01:08] <MarkDude> or maybe grantbow ------ if his bot ever notifies him
[01:09] <MarkDude> Well if no one else
[01:09]  * MarkDude can help here
[01:12] <JoseeAntonioR> Do you know any cheap hotel that is close?
[01:13]  * MarkDude will have to check
[01:13] <MarkDude> and double check areas that are safe
[01:13] <MarkDude> or kinda safe
[01:13] <MarkDude> most are
[01:13] <MarkDude> there are a few that are not tho
[01:13] <JoseeAntonioR> Hmm, I see
[01:14] <JoseeAntonioR> There were two hotels listed in that page
[01:14] <JoseeAntonioR> But I can't find it!
[01:15] <Faqtotum> ohai
[01:15] <MarkDude> So
[01:16] <MarkDude> Apparently the rest of Ubuntu
[01:16] <MarkDude> is willing to let the *Fedora guy * flp in the wind.....
[01:16] <MarkDude> flap
[01:16] <MarkDude> or at least Cali channel
[01:16] <Faqtotum> MarkDude: now then, what were you saying before i had to skedaddle?
[01:17] <MarkDude> Uh you should have a high level job
[01:17] <MarkDude> not like public wise
[01:17] <MarkDude> bit more stuff devs would admire
[01:17] <MarkDude> Devs admire you DonkeyHotei
[01:17] <Faqtotum> not everything that should be is
[01:18] <JoseeAntonioR> FOUND IT!
[01:18] <MarkDude> Coool
[01:18] <MarkDude> Sorry JoseeAntonioR
[01:18] <JoseeAntonioR> No problem :)
[01:18] <MarkDude> Wikis are horrible for hiding info
[01:19]  * MarkDude looks forward to seeing you at UDS
[01:19] <MarkDude> Where you from (if I can ask)
[01:19] <MarkDude> ?
[01:19] <Faqtotum> how much is UDS, btw?
[01:19] <MarkDude> FREE
[01:19] <MarkDude> duh
[01:20] <MarkDude> Mark S is a generous benefactor
[01:20] <Faqtotum> maybe i should register, then
[01:20] <MarkDude> He helps pay for those that live far away
[01:20] <MarkDude> YES
[01:20]  * MarkDude for one would like to see you there Faqtotum
[01:20] <JoseeAntonioR> MarkDude: I'm from Peru, in South America :)
[01:20] <Faqtotum> nothing to lose even if i end up not going
[01:20] <MarkDude> as well as many others
[01:21] <MarkDude> RIGHT on
[01:21] <MarkDude> JoseeAntonioR, you ever talked to tatica?
[01:21] <MarkDude> from .ve?
[01:21] <JoseeAntonioR> Nope, ever
[01:21] <MarkDude> She has had Ubuntu event
[01:21] <MarkDude> as well as Flisol
[01:21] <MarkDude> tatica.org
[01:22] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll check, then :)
[01:22] <MarkDude> Flsol would like you to attend ---- maybe next year
[01:23] <MarkDude> South America is rather active, and has some good people in it
[01:24] <JoseeAntonioR> Yep, I'm trying to revive my LoCo.
[01:25] <JoseeAntonioR> We're having the FLISOL in about one month.
[01:28] <gua> woah wait what, uds is in oakland
[01:28] <Faqtotum> duh
[01:28] <gua> i kept thinking it was in amsterdam
[01:28] <JoseeAntonioR> gua: Yep, it is.
[01:28] <gua> hp platinum sponsor. <3 hp
[01:29] <Faqtotum> is it at the oakland convention center?
[01:29] <JoseeAntonioR> Faqtotum: Nope, a few steps aside.
[01:30] <gua> Please note that UDS takes place at City Center. Be sure to get the right one! Information on facilities, travel information and so on are available on the Marriott City Center website.
[01:30] <gua> http://uds.ubuntu.com/event/
[01:37] <gua> so it's really free?
[01:43] <JoseeAntonioR> gua: Yep, it's free at all.
[02:09] <MarkDude> No doubt gua
[02:09] <MarkDude> it is FREE
[02:09] <MarkDude> Mark S is a nice benefactor
[02:09] <MarkDude> he does not just talk *junk*
[02:09] <MarkDude> He backs it
[02:10] <MarkDude> its ALL Ffree
[02:10] <Faqtotum> backing junk is nice, yes
[02:10] <JoseeAntonioR> And takes people from another cities/countries for FREE :D
[02:10] <MarkDude> Sponsorship is ONLY needed fro travel
[02:10] <MarkDude> Faqtotum, lets have this talk later - please
[02:11] <MarkDude> Mark S is awesome
[02:11] <Faqtotum> that would be BART for me
[02:11] <MarkDude> we can argue details at some other time
[02:11] <MarkDude> Dude is awesome
[02:11] <Faqtotum> later is fine; you brought it up
[02:35] <gua> ah that is nice
[02:52] <pleia2> I followed up directly with Jose, but for reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/OtherAccommodation
[02:53]  * pleia2 goes back to Philadelphiaing (go home tomorrow night)
[03:01] <tatica> o0
[03:01] <tatica> MarkDude, still need me?
[03:06] <tatica> ok, going to sleep
[03:14] <philipballew> Has anyone here ever used vistaprint? yay or nay?
[03:14] <DonkeyHotei> yay
[03:14] <DonkeyHotei> definite yay
[03:15] <DonkeyHotei> despite the name
[03:17] <philipballew> alright, im gonna order some stuff!
[03:17] <erichammond> Vistaprint is reasonably good quality and can be reasonably good deal if you can find a discount code.
[03:17] <erichammond> I may have also used myprinteasy.com at some point.
[03:18] <philipballew> I would probably just google vistaprint promo code or something like that if you say there is some
[03:26] <erichammond> philipballew: Yep, it can take a little work figuring out which codes work and which is best for your order, but it can save you a bundle.
[03:27] <philipballew> i see they have 250 for 10 plus free shipping currently. I might try that.
[03:27] <philipballew> Being on a budget is my specialty
[03:28] <erichammond> That's a great deal, but there might be addon charges for colors, good card stock, etc.
[03:28] <philipballew> thats a good point. I just have to mess with it and find something good sooner or later
[03:28] <erichammond> You might also try the 50% off once you're done specifying the product.
[03:29]  * philipballew didn't think of that
[03:29] <erichammond> Then, after you make your first order, they'll probably send you a code to get a *really* good deal on your next order :-/
[03:32] <philipballew> what a good excuse to buy more :)
[03:32] <MarkDude> Yes tatica
[03:33] <DonkeyHotei> she's not there
[03:33] <DonkeyHotei> [Tue 2012-03-27 08:06:28 PM PDT] * tatica<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu-us-ca ("Saliendo")
[03:34] <erichammond> philipballew: extra charge for printing on the back of a business card and extra charge for color printing on the back of a business card, ...
[03:35] <philipballew> I can just do front I guess erichammond all I need is phone number email and website (it might just be my twitter page)
[03:36] <philipballew> aside from my name that is
[03:37] <philipballew> i was gonna do my pgp key, but I want to avoid that "whats all those numbers on the bottom of your card" thing
[03:40] <erichammond> philipballew: I did the pgp fingerprint in light gray and surrounded it with Ubuntu dots in an effort to make it seem like an odd design mark for the uninitiated.
[03:40] <philipballew> good point. I guess it fills the white space.
[03:41] <philipballew> because I have yet to memorize my pgp key, I should probably look that up.
[03:43] <philipballew> hey everyone! my pgp key is 2048R/D8413759!
[03:43] <erichammond> Low quality previews (cards look much better): http://tmp.anvilon.com/preview-front.jpg and http://tmp.anvilon.com/preview-back.jpg
[03:44] <philipballew> did you use inkscape? thats what Im using?
[03:44] <erichammond> yep
[03:45] <philipballew> i had to install it as its the first time in a good year Its being used by me
[03:46] <philipballew> I guess you could call me a inkscape noob
[03:47] <erichammond> I destroy whatever I touch with inkscape even if you give me a pretty template to start with.  Those cards cost me blood and tears to design.
[03:48] <erichammond> and I'm pretty sure I started with somebody else's example.
[03:48] <philipballew> this is why I could never be a web designer
[03:48] <philipballew> unless i could design the entire website with php
[03:49] <philipballew> or a web language like that
[04:03] <MarkDude> Yes tatica
[04:03] <MarkDude> Yes tatica
[04:03] <MarkDude> yes tatica
[04:03] <MarkDude> Yes tatica
[04:05] <DonkeyHotei> ?
[04:07] <MarkDude> tatica you tease, where are you ? :)
[04:07] <MarkDude> Ooops repeat on my part
[16:21] <DonkeyHotei> this morning's update of adobe flash in the repo makes the colors all wrong in youtube videos
[16:35] <greg-g> DonkeyHotei: which repo?
[16:39] <DonkeyHotei> partners
[16:39] <DonkeyHotei> anyway, appears to be affecting some videos and not others; codec issue?
[16:40] <greg-g> oneiric/precise? which version of flash are you using?
[16:40] <DonkeyHotei> oneiric
[16:41] <DonkeyHotei> the partners repo has only one version at a time afaik
[16:42] <greg-g> I ask because I have no update
[16:43] <DonkeyHotei> apt-get update
[16:43] <greg-g> DonkeyHotei: I understand how to use apt
[16:43] <greg-g> can you use apt-cache policy and tell me what version you have
[16:43] <greg-g> saying "this morning" doesn't always help
[16:43] <DonkeyHotei> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[16:43] <DonkeyHotei> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[16:43] <DonkeyHotei> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[16:43] <DonkeyHotei> ||/ Name                                          Version                                         Description
[16:43] <DonkeyHotei> +++-[16:43] <DonkeyHotei> ii  adobe-flashplugin                             <IP_ADDRESS>-0oneiric1                          Adobe Flash Player plugin version 11
[16:44] <greg-g> so, that's just paste, which is why I suggested apt-cache policy :)
[16:44] <greg-g> s/just/junk/
[16:44] <DonkeyHotei> i did /exec -o dpkg -l adobe-flashplugin
[16:44] <greg-g> apt-cache policy tells me wher eyou got it, too, which is nice, but, whatever :)
[16:45] <DonkeyHotei>         500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/partner amd64 Packages
[16:46] <greg-g> so yeah, it appears that I do not use the version from partner (it is available, but not installed) since I use flashplugin-intaller version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:46] <greg-g> so yeah, a version behind what is in partner, apparently
[16:46] <greg-g> flashplugin-installer is from multiverse
[16:46] <greg-g> (just fyi)
[19:51] <iheartubuntu> hi all. any tips on recovering a stolen smart phone?
[19:53] <DonkeyHotei> if it's android, there's an app called Where's My Droid
[19:53] <DonkeyHotei> you install it remotely
[20:02] <iheartubuntu> my wifes iphone and she did not have that find iphone app on it
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> im searching craigslist and ebay right now
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> i liek the craigslist ads. they say things like "$50 with NO accessories. dont ask questions"
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> gee, i wonder if its stolen
[20:04] <DonkeyHotei> mostly
[20:11] <iheartubuntu> ive narrowed the ads down to 2 out of 7 or 8 and now emailing those ads with fake email accounts trying to socially engineer (ok pry) info out of those sellers
[21:02] <pleia2> philipballew: will you have a chance to do the post-meeting tasks this week?
[21:03] <philipballew> yeah, I was going to do it tonight. I have class till 9 and was going to say sometime between 11 and 2am ish?
[21:03] <pleia2> (it's fine if you don't, I just need to know whether it needs to go on my own todo list or not :))
[21:03] <pleia2> oh sure, whenever
[21:03] <pleia2> thanks!
[21:03] <philipballew> if for some odd reason its not done tomorow, send me a heated threatening email or something, but I am planning on doing it
[21:03] <pleia2> lol
[21:06] <philipballew> yeah, its a pretty easy thing to do.