[17:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I'm considering rewriting ubuntustudio-installer in bash/KDialog for the frontend.
[18:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: feel free to do so... python may be easier than bash
[18:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, but I don't know Python and have been doing a ton in Bash with KDialog on the Kubuntu Focus, so I'm a bit more familiar with that.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: getting stdout and stderr from something that is running su is non-trivial
[18:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> What do you mean? variable=$(some process) returns the stdout as a variable.
[18:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: which means... I am not sure how to do that :)
[18:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah.
[18:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]:  after it has already run yes
[18:11] <OvenWerks> but for error checking and progress you need non-blocked output
[18:12] <OvenWerks> The output from apt is a lot of text to put in a variable :)
[18:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes, agreed, but it communicates with dbus.
[18:12] <OvenWerks> which dbus?
[18:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> The kdialog progress box uses dbus to communicate as well.
[18:12] <OvenWerks> there are more than one running around
[18:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Obviously not jack-dbus. But apt and kdialog can communicate with each other.
[18:14] <OvenWerks> If apt is running as root, it would have to communicate using the system dbus not the root user dbus
[18:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> It does.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hence update-manager is able to work with it using Zenity. Same with Ubiquity.
[18:15] <OvenWerks> There was something else I was doing with that communication link... but I forget now.
[18:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: anyway, feel free to use whichever tools you wish (err except not wish in this case)  :)
[18:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok. Not going to throw-out the baby with the bathwater here. It's just, it's ugly with tk/tcl and people have commented on that.
[18:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> It might take quite some time too.
[18:17]  * OvenWerks happens to enjoy the motif like look
[18:19] <OvenWerks> something about beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that.
[18:19] <OvenWerks> however, making the application fit in with the rest of the DE and applications is a good goal
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: using either a qt or gtk toolkit will allow the app to follow the desktop theme. tk is supposed to do that, but the theming at the time was much more basic and even then required the application to ask the desktop for each styling hint. This means that most tcl/tk applications do not use desktop styles.
[19:15] <OvenWerks> (insluding installer)
[19:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yes, kdialog does the job. It follows whatever theme is being used.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> it is funny that installer started out as a bash script with zenity on top :)
[19:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hehe


[00:15] <yuriy> hmm dist-upgrading isn't quite feasible yet is it
[00:43] <nixternal> OK, what needs to be done like right now?
[00:43] <nixternal> gimme a list
[00:43] <nixternal> it is way to hot and humid to ride tonight, so I shall stay in, do laundry and hack on Kubuntu and KDE stuff
[00:44] <vorian> nixternal: do we really want dfsg for ktorrent?
[00:44] <vorian> and hello :)
[00:44] <nixternal> yes, ktorrent should be dfsg, cuz if it isn't, then it means it isn't free
[00:45] <vorian> roger
[00:46] <nixternal> unless you want to put it in multiverse and have me stop using it :)
[00:46] <vorian> haha
[00:46] <vorian> i don't know about that ...
[00:46] <nixternal> and don't plan on shipping it on our isos
[00:47] <vorian> really?
[00:47] <vorian> oh
[00:47] <nixternal> ya, we don't ship multiverse stuff in our isos
[00:47]  * vorian needs to read more closely
[00:47] <nixternal> only main, the free stuff, except for our bogus kernel :P
[00:47] <vorian> right, i thought you typed "we won't be shipping it on our isos"
[00:47] <nixternal> or not our kernel, but the restricted-modules I should say
[00:47] <vorian> my mistake
[00:47] <vorian> werd
[01:43] <yuriy> nixternal: you could fix replaces and such in intrepid packages to make upgrades possible :D
[01:47] <vorian> yuriy: is there a bug-tag for those?
[01:47]  * vorian looks
[01:49] <yuriy> vorian: I'm just referring to my current upgrading attempt
[01:50] <yuriy> though a lot of problems were solved by removing all hardy kde4 packages that I missed
[01:50] <vorian> the kdebase-runtime package
[01:50] <vorian> ah, i see
[01:50] <yuriy> and there are a lot of dependency problems with Xorg
[01:50] <vorian> yeah
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> Be back tomorrow
[04:00] <maltedik> oh man. i finally find out why my kopete didnt compile with jabber-support
[04:01] <maltedik> i can die now (after adding the info to the kde techbase ;))
[05:14] <yuriy> intrepid and my laptop aren't very good friends
[05:18] <DaskReecH> I'm strangely un tempted by intrepid this cycle
[05:46]  * yuriy watches intrepid/kde 4.1 restore his ancient kde3 session
[05:47] <yuriy> now if only xserver-xorg-input-mouse was installed
[05:47] <DaskReecH> Ha ha that's sweet
[05:47] <yuriy> or -kbd for that matter
[07:48] <apachelogger> mouz: yakuake > stjerm
[07:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the red is too red
[07:49] <apachelogger> compile something with cmake and you'll almost get blinded by the redness of red
[07:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: the read is perfect as it shows new queries here ;-)
[07:49] <Nightrose> -a
[07:50]  * apachelogger honelsty doesn'ty like it
[07:50] <apachelogger> the green is also a bit too bright
[07:50] <apachelogger> but the red can kill
[07:50] <Nightrose> hehe
[09:07] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[09:19] <mouz> apachelogger: does that mean you do not want to review my packaging of stjerm?
[09:25] <apachelogger> mouz: it has lower priority
[12:35] <apachelogger> mouz: revued
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[13:04] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[13:05]  * smarter waves
[13:06] <smarter> could someone please upload my updated kde4-style-bespin package? http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/bespin/
[13:07] <smarter> I was wondering if I should rename it to kde-style-bespin
[13:09] <gnomefreak> everything else is being moved from kde4 to kde including the profiles and friends
[13:09] <Riddell> smarter: kde 3 widget styles are mostly still installable I think, so probably best to keep them as kde- and kde 4 ones as kde4- for now
[13:09] <smarter> ok
[13:09] <smarter> (also available at: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu)
[13:25] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i know now the problem, in hardy qt4.4 is in the backports of hardy
[13:26] <Xand3r> if i build on a build server are there the backports included?
[13:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  i set in the build-depends libqt4-dev (>=4.4)
[13:28] <Xand3r> s that declared right?
[13:32] <Xand3r> smarter: maybe you could help me?
[13:35] <Xand3r> ScottK: hi, the only problem there is ,screenie-qt depends on libqt4-dev from qt4.4
[13:35] <Xand3r> so it needs the backport qt
[13:38] <Xand3r> no one here -.-
[13:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[13:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about the plan to write a xrandr gui ?
[13:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: a collegue of mine would eventually be interested
[13:49] <Riddell> mostly I was hoping the one in KDE would fix itself for 4.1
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that the krandrtray and randr kpart are still being worked on by kde guys...
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so you would wait for 4.1 and then decide what to do ?
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: in any case I might have a resource available in case we have to code something
[13:49] <Riddell> well, it would be nice to know what the chances are of it working
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: and on the other hand, I'm going for several contrib days tomorrow
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: lot of work recently, but for all the week, I'll be there for packaging stuff
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the kcm module guy is currently a nightmare :)
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: so as sad a few days ago, this time I'm back :) tomorrow morning 9 am...
[13:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll need to make a point on the intrepid status to write a hudge todo for the next weeks
[13:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, will you be there at the oscon ?
[13:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will
[13:52] <Riddell> nope
[13:56] <Xand3r> i need some help, i whant to include hardy backport in my pbuilder-dist, so i added the line in ~/pbuilder/etc/hardy/apt.conf/sources.list
[13:57] <Xand3r> but if i use the command pbuilder-dist hardy update , the new line is ignored, what i have done wrong?
[13:58]  * Riddell has never got that to work
[13:58] <smarter> Xand3r: I think you have to edit /etc/pbuilderrc
[13:59] <Hobbsee> Xand3r: you need to use --override-config
[13:59] <Hobbsee> when running your udpate, after config changes.
[14:01] <Xand3r> Hobbsee: so i edit the source.list in that dir above nd than i run "pbuilder-dist hardy update --override-config"?
[14:02] <Hobbsee> Xand3r: yes, assuming that it's actually using those configuration files
[14:03] <Xand3r> cool now it runs thx
[14:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's not that hard, really.
[14:04] <Riddell> I've not tried hard
[14:05] <Hobbsee> huh?
[14:06] <Xand3r> Riddell: if a package need a nother package from the backports, does that makes problems?
[14:07] <Riddell> Xand3r: problems for what?
[14:07] <Xand3r> for the building
[14:08] <Hobbsee> Xand3r: no, it'll pull it from the repository
[14:09] <Xand3r> i want to get screenie-qt backported, it needs the libqt4-dev, but the 4.4 from the backport
[14:12] <Riddell> qt 4.4 is in backports, so there's no problem
[14:12] <Riddell> why does it need libqt4-dev anyway?
[14:14] <Xand3r> hmm
[14:15] <Xand3r> the intrepid package needed it
[14:50] <nixternal> mornin'
[14:50]  * nixternal notes to Riddell that he is still awaiting the "how-to" email :)
[14:50] <nixternal> are there any current show stoppers?
[15:01] <yuriy> morning!
[15:01]  * yuriy hugs txwikinger and JontheEchidna
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> Good morning
[15:02] <txwikinger> hi yuriy
[15:08] <yuriy> yay X actually installs now
[15:16] <apachelogger> hooray
[15:16] <apachelogger> *upgrades*
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, I'll be back in half an hour
[15:36] <apachelogger> hm
[15:36] <apachelogger> bug 235171
[15:36] <apachelogger> what to do with that?
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> Confucious say, noobs must die
[15:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: good point
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> :p
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> I doubt anyone would do anything about it anyway
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, what about bug 38887
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> Because I don't think they should
[15:43] <apachelogger> well
[15:43] <apachelogger> no, they shouldn't
[15:43] <apachelogger> that is like dont use sdofi use swo
[15:43] <apachelogger> it's as likely that someone doesn't know what the difference between Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, it looks like somebody rejected it but forgot to actually close it.
[15:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: give it a final kick then ;-)
[15:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you think about bug 89348
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, shouldn't he file separate bugs for each package that does that, or at the least assign that bug to the different packages that still have the problem?
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> It doesn't seem to be a KDE problem either way.
[15:53] <apachelogger> well
[15:54] <apachelogger> it effects all kdegames
[15:54] <apachelogger> though I think it is pretty won't fix
[15:54] <apachelogger> usr/games is in the default PATH
[15:54] <apachelogger> if someone changes it, it's really his own fault
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, he should put usr/games in his path if he wants it to work
[15:55] <apachelogger> otherwise I could just remove usr/bin and say I want all other desktop files with absolute path
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> True
[15:55] <apachelogger> +
[15:55] <apachelogger> quoting the spec:
[15:55] <apachelogger> Exec   Program to execute, possibly with arguments.
[15:55] <apachelogger> not path to an executable
[15:55] <apachelogger> ;-)
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> By default Dolphin has an entry for network:/ on the sidebar, right?
[15:57] <apachelogger> yes
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> Ok, I removed some entries so I wasn't sure
[16:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't kdewebdev-kde4 be moved to kdewebdev?
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> So about bug 63287, should I mark it fixed since currently Intrepid's kdm theme uses normal button widgets, or should we wait to see what sort of kdm theme intrepid will get?
[16:11] <apachelogger> oha
[16:11] <apachelogger> schweet
[16:11] <apachelogger> vorian: congrats!
[16:11]  * apachelogger hands everyone a glass of beer
[16:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wouldn't say so
[16:13] <apachelogger> theming is coming back
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> So then we should wait until we get a theme?
[16:16] <apachelogger> I'd say so
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> Btw, is Kubuntu going to place the trashcan plasmoid in the panel by default for Intrepid?
[16:21] <apachelogger> in case we are able to
[17:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm unsure about kdewebdev, the kde4 version doesn't include quanta yet which is the main application
[17:05] <txwikinger> what's wrong with lp?
[17:06] <Riddell> wrong shade of green?
[17:06] <Riddell> dunno, I'd need a clue
[17:06] <txwikinger> I can't login anymore
[17:08] <Riddell> works for me
[17:09] <txwikinger> well. I have sent me the reset password thingy.. maybe that works
[17:11] <yuriy> hmm.. can't install nvidia, can't boot .26 kernel, can't use an external monitor with nv, and nv+krfb+vncviewer is really really slow
[17:21] <yuriy> with my broken backlight, I think that leaves me with ssh -X for testing
[17:43] <Riddell> ScottK: where's your guidance stuff?
[17:44] <Czessi__> Riddell: you received my email from sunday?
[17:45] <Riddell> Czessi__: about sending the poster stand?
[17:46] <Czessi__> yes
[17:46] <Riddell> Czessi__: that's the right address, I'll pick it up there for lugradio live then take it to akademy
[17:47] <Czessi__> Riddell: ok, thanks. i'll try to send it tomorrow
[17:47] <Xand3r> hey!
[17:48] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 245339?  Surely guidance-power-manager now needs to depend on guidance-backends
[17:49] <Riddell> hi Xand3r, I uploaded kwin-style-crystal
[17:49] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx a lot
[17:51]  * Riddell out
[18:03] <jjesse> afternoon
[18:35] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wanna package digikam-kde4?
[18:35] <Xand3r> apachelogger: it would be much or?
[18:35] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:36] <apachelogger> digikam is about the same amoutn of work as amarok I guess
[18:36] <apachelogger> and it's using the same release script :D
[18:36]  * apachelogger is pretty proud
[18:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger: that says nothin to me
[18:36] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, take a look at it
[18:37] <apachelogger> you can mostly root your work in the kde3 package
[18:37] <Xand3r> ah
[18:37] <Xand3r> ok i will have a look at it
[18:38] <Xand3r> apachelogger: where is the bug i have to assingn?
[18:39] <apachelogger> Xand3r: create one
[18:41] <Xand3r> ok
[18:42] <txwikinger> b0rked KDE :D
[18:46] <apachelogger> omg
[18:47] <apachelogger> how could you
[18:47] <txwikinger> why does konq lose intermittently the ability to store cookies?
[18:47] <apachelogger> works for me
[18:47] <txwikinger> I had to re-login
[18:47] <txwikinger> Now it works again too
[18:47] <apachelogger> maybe kded crashed
[18:47] <txwikinger> yeah maybe
[18:47] <apachelogger> I think the cookiejar is running as kded module
[18:47] <txwikinger> shouldn't use this old KDE3 stuff :D
[18:48] <txwikinger> yes it is
[18:48] <txwikinger> at least in KDE3
[18:48] <txwikinger> not sure about KDE4
[18:52] <Xand3r> apachelogger: is libkipi already build?
[18:53] <apachelogger> don't think so
[18:53] <apachelogger> oh actually
[18:53] <apachelogger> kipi is part of kdegraphics nowadays
[18:53] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/4:4.0.83-0ubuntu1
[18:53] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+package/libkipi-dev
[18:54] <Xand3r> but i dont have to build it ^^
[18:55] <apachelogger> righty right
[18:57] <apachelogger> smarter: btw, kvpm revued
[18:57] <Xand3r> omg i download the files right now, it seams to be the wrong, but i see how much files theire are in, with my 6 kb/s upload i will have fun
[18:57] <smarter> apachelogger: thanks
[18:57] <smarter> apachelogger: what's the X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true for?
[18:57] <Xand3r> the pictures take much place
[18:58] <apachelogger> smarter: kdesu
[18:58] <smarter> ok
[19:01] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  i am checking out svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/graphics/digikam
[19:01] <Xand3r> is that the right digikam version?
[19:01] <apachelogger> no
[19:01] <apachelogger> Xand3r: digikam.org
[19:02] <Xand3r> -.-
[19:02] <Xand3r> it is from the hp
[19:02] <Xand3r> i will download a tar
[19:04] <Xand3r> apachelogger: version 0.10 right?
[19:04] <apachelogger> yes
[19:04] <Xand3r> ok have i to name the package digikam-kde4?
[19:05] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ^
[19:06] <apachelogger> Xand3r: aye
[19:06] <Xand3r> ok
[19:07] <dAskreeCh> is 0.10 stable?
[19:07] <apachelogger> dAskreeCh: no
[19:10] <dAskreeCh> Expected to be stable by 10 ?
[19:10] <yuriy> really? so intrepid will still have the KDE3 version?
[19:11] <txwikinger> yuriy: really?
[19:12] <txwikinger> I thought only the the apps that will not be ported will be available in the KDE3 form under KDE4
[19:12] <yuriy> txwikinger: talking about digikam. i'm surprised that apachelogger said 0.10 should be digikam-kde4
[19:12] <dAskreeCh> It should
[19:12] <apachelogger> yuriy: it is alpha
[19:13] <yuriy> definitely won't be stable or RC by october?
[19:13] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:13] <apachelogger> unlike ubuntu
[19:13] <apachelogger> I don't rely on other's schedules
[19:14] <apachelogger> though, we could ship digikam beta and then release 8.10.1 once digikam 0.10 final is out :P
[19:14] <dAskreeCh> I thought .1 were a LTS thing
[19:15] <apachelogger> so? KDE 4.1 is stable enough to go LTS and we still are one LTS release behind ;-)
[19:16] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: That's a good point :)
[19:17] <dAskreeCh> Just need to convince canonical to keep the repos open a few months longer than normal :)
[19:17] <txwikinger> KDE4 will not be stable enough for LTS for another year
[19:17] <apachelogger> I guess then we could also ship some alpha/beta of Amarok which would be make Nightrose happy :D
[19:17] <dAskreeCh> * happy
[19:17] <Nightrose> haha
[19:17] <Nightrose> not really
[19:17] <Nightrose> well
[19:17] <Nightrose> maybe
[19:17] <Nightrose> :P
[19:18] <Nightrose> <- easy to make her happy
[19:18] <txwikinger> well.. you have another 2 weeks to go from alpha/beta to release
[19:18] <txwikinger> Should be enough since you guys have nothing else to do :p
[19:18]  * Nightrose kicks txwikinger
[19:19] <apachelogger> honey
[19:19] <apachelogger> you have unused workforce
[19:19] <apachelogger> that is waste of developer's lifetime IMO
[19:19] <txwikinger> ah thank you... my back is stiff and needs that
[19:19] <apachelogger> hm
[19:19] <dAskreeCh> Nightrose: I was going to say it's easy to make you happy but decided to hold my tongue umm fingers.
[19:19] <apachelogger> when was 3.5.9 released?
[19:19] <Nightrose> dAskreeCh: ;-)
[19:19] <apachelogger> sick
[19:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger: honey I know - just that all of the folks i had to do work suddenly went MIA
[19:20] <apachelogger> February 19th, 2008 (The INTERNET)
[19:20] <Nightrose> txwikinger: you're welcome ;-)
[19:20] <txwikinger> The INTERNET is no authority to quote from
[19:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: MIAmi?
[19:20] <apachelogger> txwikinger: KDE e.V. is
[19:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :P maybe
[19:20] <apachelogger> I would certainly go to MIAmi
[19:20] <txwikinger> apachelogger: well you did not say that
[19:21] <txwikinger> MIAmi.. around this time?
[19:21] <txwikinger> No thank you
[19:21] <apachelogger> txwikinger: well
[19:21] <apachelogger> look at it
[19:21] <txwikinger> Gators and mosquitos
[19:21] <apachelogger> where did I indicate a quote?
 February 19th, 2008 (The INTERNET)
[19:21] <apachelogger> that was a random alignment of chars and digits
[19:21] <Nightrose> oO
[19:21] <txwikinger> well.. next time just give the Gödelnummer
[19:21] <txwikinger> that will save bandwidth
[19:22] <txwikinger> Gödelnumber eveb
[19:22] <txwikinger> even
[19:22] <txwikinger> somehow I don't get to my EU - Anti-competition law stuff today
[19:23] <apachelogger> txwikinger: that leaves more time for beer
[19:23] <apachelogger> where is vorian anyway
[19:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: do i need any stuff from digikam-kde3?
[19:24]  * apachelogger suspects he is already drunk and lying somewhere under some table in some channel starting with ubu or kubu
[19:24] <apachelogger> Xand3r: the descriptions?
[19:24] <apachelogger> some deps?
[19:24] <apachelogger> the binary package deps?
[19:24] <apachelogger> the copyright?
[19:24] <txwikinger> beer? You want to kill me with engl. beer?
[19:24] <apachelogger> and stUff and stuff
[19:24] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you don't get imported beer on the island?
[19:25] <txwikinger> yes .. corona
[19:25] <apachelogger> <3 corona
[19:25] <apachelogger> well
[19:25] <apachelogger> sometimes
[19:25] <apachelogger> <3 captain ;-)
[19:25] <Xand3r> apachelogger: -.- ok
[19:25] <txwikinger> Viva Mejico!
[19:28] <apachelogger> hm
[19:28] <apachelogger> by times I find bug reports very strange
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> ^^
[19:28] <apachelogger> bug 48146
[19:29] <apachelogger> 2nd comment has some examples
[19:29] <apachelogger> and IMO the kpdf rendering looks more readable than the xpdf one
[19:29] <apachelogger> in fact I get dizzy from the latter
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> I must agree
[19:30] <txwikinger> KDE3 does not work.. KDE4 does not work... what is this?
[19:30] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you b0rked it all
[19:30] <apachelogger> time for reinstall
[19:30] <txwikinger> yes.... I am good in that
[19:30] <txwikinger> no .. already fixed it
[19:31] <dAskreeCh> twm ftw!
[19:31] <txwikinger> need to switch desktops effect on and off that I have a decorator running
[19:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you know, I think what they call poor font rendering is just a different font ;-)
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> Heh
[19:31] <yuriy> apachelogger: looks to me like it's using a different font
[19:31] <yuriy> I wouldn't really say one is more readable than the other
[19:32] <apachelogger> xpdf - look at the first 2 words for 3 seconds
[19:32] <apachelogger> if you don't feel dizzy then you must be a pirate or something... at least used to boats
[19:33] <yuriy> I can very slightly see what you mean
[19:33] <apachelogger> :D
[19:33] <yuriy> I say [ask him to] check in okular
[19:33] <apachelogger> or just claim it works in okular
[19:34] <apachelogger> and not mention that I don't see the problem in the screenshot :P
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> Didn't ktip get offed for KDE4?
[19:34] <dAskreeCh> I think by default
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> I seem to remember a gleefully written entry in commit-digest about it
[19:35] <apachelogger> hm
[19:35] <apachelogger> <-- got an idea
[19:35] <dAskreeCh> By Riddell as I recall
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I think it was Riddell
[19:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please look at http://www.proxc.com/kpdf/kubuntu6.10-kpdf.png http://www.proxc.com/kpdf/kubuntu6.10-xpdf.png http://www.proxc.com/kpdf/fc6-kpdf.png and tell me whether you think the rendering in the kubuntu kpdf one is worse than in the others
[19:36]  * JontheEchidna looks in adept for ktip-kde4
[19:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: k
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> Yes! KTip really is dead! :o
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> Too bad this bug isn't KTip's fault...
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> Else I could close it :(
[19:37] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: what is / was ktip?
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> At startup you'd get a tip of the day thing
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> Nobody used it and it was annoying
[19:37] <jussi01> oh...
[19:37] <jussi01> yeah
[19:37] <dAskreeCh> AFAIR when you start up a program and it says Did you Know??
[19:37] <jussi01> I just wish I knoew how to change those litle pop ups from the tray
[19:38] <apachelogger> that question is stupid in itself IMHO
[19:38] <jussi01> hehe
[19:38] <apachelogger> if I know it - why would I want to read it
[19:38] <apachelogger> if I don't know it - why would I want to be confronted with my stupidity in not knowing it
[19:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmmmm it is different - but worse.... not really IMHO
[19:38] <apachelogger> ok
[19:39] <apachelogger> merci beaucoup Nightrose
[19:39] <Nightrose> :)
[19:39] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: Ignorance is not really stupidity
[19:40] <apachelogger> well, it gives some kind of uncool feeling
[19:40] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  can i use the old copyright? cause it maybe changed some things
[19:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you can use the old one and update it ;-)
[19:41] <apachelogger> but I think doing it from scratch is faster
[19:41] <Xand3r> so make a totaly new on?
[19:42] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: I think the largest problem was that it was maintained somewhat like fortune with random people putting in info
[19:42] <Xand3r> ok thx apachelogger
[19:43] <apachelogger> dAskreeCh: what is the problem with random people?
[19:45] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: one app would have the same "tip" written in 3 different ways. Some tips were things like Smile and the world Smiles with you. And most of all none of them had anythin to do with KDE4
[19:45] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: you're not doing 5-a-day?
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> nope
[19:46] <apachelogger> dAskreeCh: that can happen with one guy as well
[19:46] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: Except the 3 different ways one
[19:46] <apachelogger> dAskreeCh: of course
[19:46] <apachelogger> imagine
[19:47] <apachelogger> you are doing these tips in a 2 years time frame
[19:47] <txwikinger> dAskreeCh: well.. we had a new software on an exhibition once and an error message that was quite X-rated popped up in the middle of a demo for a customer
[19:47] <apachelogger> let's say ever 6 months you add a bunch
[19:47] <apachelogger> there is no way you will remember all the added tips after 2 years
[19:47] <txwikinger> The developer that checked that stuff in had a lot of explaining to do
[19:48] <dAskreeCh> txwikinger: I'll assume this wasn't a customer who was peddling xrated stuff?
[19:49] <txwikinger> No.. a customer that was supposed to give us a very large contract
[19:49] <smarter> apachelogger: new upload of kvpm at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kvpm ;)
[19:49] <txwikinger> and a customer that was not amused about it
[19:50] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: I think the developer would clean up things from KDE2 at least
[19:50] <apachelogger> I can't remember stuff from KDE2
[19:50] <apachelogger> that said, KDE 3 was much like KDE 2 in the beginning :P
[19:50] <apachelogger> and not anything like KDE 3.5
[19:51] <apachelogger> smarter: did you testbuild with the manpage?
[19:51] <smarter> apachelogger: yep
[19:51]  * apachelogger advocates
[19:51] <smarter> \o/
[20:01] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there are so much copyright holders of so much files -.-
[20:02] <apachelogger> Xand3r: did you ever look at kdelibs/kdebase ;-)
[20:02] <Xand3r> never
[20:02] <Xand3r> i i dont want to
[20:02] <Xand3r> ^^
[20:04] <apachelogger> Xand3r: come on :P
[20:04]  * apachelogger felt quite funny when seeing that
[20:04] <Xand3r> ^^
[20:05] <apachelogger> woah
[20:05] <apachelogger> bug 210171 kicks a**
[20:07] <Xand3r> i watch tv may be in some minutes i am strong enough for the copyright
[20:13] <apachelogger> does anyone want to fix bug 159495
[20:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Does guidance-power-manager actually use xf86misc?  AFAIK that's for setting display properties.
[20:18] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, for idle time detection
[20:18] <ScottK> Ouch.
[20:18] <ScottK> Urgh.
[20:18] <ScottK> Can we teach it a different way to to that?
[20:19] <ScottK> Then yes, I guess it does need to depend on guidance-backends.
[20:19] <ScottK> So much for getting rid of that.
[20:19] <Riddell> ScottK: well if guidance-backends goes away it's easy enough to remove your patch and bring xf86misc back to g-power-manager
[20:20] <ScottK> True.
[20:27] <yuriy> is there a kwin-style-crystal for KDE4?
[20:28] <Riddell> yep
[20:28] <Riddell> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal
[20:31] <yuriy> Xand3r was working on that? Xand3r: can you check for bug 107595 with the new package?
[20:35] <apachelogger> yuriy: I can't reproduce that one
[20:45] <vorian> wooo hoo!
[20:45] <vorian> thanks guys ^.^
[20:47] <Riddell> vorian: hmm?
[20:47] <vorian> Riddell: I'm a motu now
[20:48] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  this is the copyright part http://paste.ubuntu.com/26006/
[20:48] <yuriy> congrats vorian
[20:48] <vorian> danke
[20:48] <Riddell> vorian: oh fooey, I've been meaning to comment on that
[20:48] <Xand3r> and i cant see an end
[20:48] <vorian> Riddell: no worries :)
[20:48] <vorian> it all happened much faster than I thought it would
[20:48] <apachelogger> still too slow IMO ;-)
[20:49] <apachelogger> ah well
[20:49] <vorian> lol
[20:49] <apachelogger> vorian: get working http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=stjerm ;-)
[20:49] <vorian> roger
[20:49] <vorian> oh, I need the button
[20:49] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there have to be another way or?
[20:49] <Riddell> Xand3r: in my humble opinion debian/copyright should be a summary of hte major copyright holders, it doesn't need to list every file and it's authors
[20:50] <Xand3r> ah ok
[20:50]  * apachelogger agrees with Riddell
[20:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you only have a couple of copyright holders anyway
[20:51] <Riddell> as an archive admin I'm more interested in the licence(s)
[20:51] <Nightrose> congratulations vorian :)
[20:51]  * Nightrose hands vorian a cookie
[20:51] <vorian> :)
[20:51] <vorian> thanks :)
[20:52] <Riddell> stdin: did you talk to upstream about that kdepim cmake issue?
[20:52] <Xand3r> Riddell: the licences were no prob
[20:54] <apachelogger> hm
[20:54] <apachelogger> stdin: did you create a list of motu-like contriubtions yet? :P
[20:54] <Riddell> Xand3r: so just list Gilles and the two other major copyright holders and sorted
[20:55] <Xand3r> Riddell: hmm i will see
[20:57] <Riddell> ScottK: I added a comment to bug 236996
[20:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Looking.
[21:00] <apachelogger> vorian: btw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Kubuntu
[21:00] <vorian> apachelogger: roger
[21:03] <Xand3r> Riddell: there are more than 2 other
[21:04] <apachelogger> Xand3r: main copyright holders he meant
[21:05] <vorian> hmm
[21:05] <vorian> manpage error
[21:10] <vorian> apachelogger: the package looks good
[21:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  i guess it is Renchi Raju, Gilles Caulier, Marcel Wiesweg
[21:11] <Xand3r> but i am not sure
[21:11] <apachelogger> schweet
[21:11] <vorian> there was a small issue with the upstream manpage
[21:11] <apachelogger> vorian: small == ?
[21:11] <apachelogger> Xand3r: sounds good to me
[21:11] <vorian> I: stjerm: hyphen-used-as-minus-sign usr/share/man/man8/stjerm.8.gz:109
[21:12] <Xand3r> apachelogger: kk
[21:12] <vorian> did not excape a hyphen correctly
[21:12] <vorian> escape*
[21:12] <apachelogger> hm
[21:13] <apachelogger> vorian: easy enough to patch it yourself I guess ;-)
[21:13] <apachelogger> vorian: leave a note about that and advocate
[21:13] <vorian> got it
[21:13] <apachelogger> cool
[21:13] <vorian> done!
[21:13] <apachelogger> vorian: up to uploading then :)
[21:14] <vorian> erm
[21:14] <vorian> ok
[21:14] <apachelogger> hm
[21:14] <Xand3r> apachelogger: upstream autors are the same like the copyright holders?
[21:14] <apachelogger> vorian: ultimately you dch -a a changelog entry and note that you introduced that fix
[21:15] <apachelogger> then just debuild -S -sa and dput ubuntu DSCFILE
[21:15] <vorian> gotcha
[21:15]  * apachelogger also notes that without change it would be - debuild -S -sa -k"YourKeyName" :)
[21:16] <vorian> ja, i have that all set in devscripts
[21:16] <apachelogger> aye
[21:16] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, if there is an AUTHORS file you would use the people listed there
[21:16] <apachelogger> otherwise just use the copyright holders
[21:16] <Xand3r> oh kk
[21:18] <Xand3r> apachelogger: all or only the mainß
[21:18] <vorian> ah, i see it now
[21:18] <vorian> i couldn't see the illegal hyphens
[21:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: hm?
[21:20] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  the hole AUTHORS file http://paste.ubuntu.com/26018/
[21:20] <apachelogger> vorian: archived the revu upload
[21:20] <apachelogger> smarter: you could give vorian a cookie and ask him for a revu of kvpm later on ;-)
[21:21] <vorian> lol
[21:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: just reuse the copyright holders
[21:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I am not sure this file is 100% up-to-date
[21:21] <Xand3r> ok
[21:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  Copyright http://paste.ubuntu.com/26024/ ; changelog http://paste.ubuntu.com/26025/ ; control http://paste.ubuntu.com/26026/
[21:37] <Xand3r> apachelogger: please review the pastes cause my upload is so weak it would take hours with the changes on revu
[21:38] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you can do debuild -S ... then it would only upload the diff and dsc
[21:38] <apachelogger> in theory at least ;-)
[21:38] <Xand3r> hmm
[21:39] <Xand3r> i dont trust in the theory
[21:40] <Xand3r> apachelogger: have you found something?
[21:42] <apachelogger> Xand3r: please make the description reflect it is for KDE 4
[21:42] <Xand3r> hmm ok
[21:42] <apachelogger> Xand3r: It was downloaded from http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/digikam/digikam-0.10.0-beta1.tar.bz2
[21:42] <apachelogger> no complete paths!
[21:43] <apachelogger> Xand3r: digikam.org or something
[21:43] <Xand3r> hmm ok
[21:44] <Xand3r> done both
[21:44] <apachelogger> well
[21:45] <apachelogger> upload
[21:45] <Xand3r> first of all i will build it here and look at the logs
[21:45] <Xand3r> upload would take hours
[21:47] <Xand3r> it sems you dont belief me, i realy have an 6kb/s upload
[21:49] <dAskreeCh> apachelogger: They are discussing compiling it on #digikam now if you want to sit in
[21:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ^
[21:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: who's the amarok dude(s) at last.fm?
[21:51] <Nightrose> Riddell: mxcl
[21:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: muesli and mxcl
[22:10] <Xand3r> apachelogger: something i going wrong here, pbuilder compiles it with the libkipi but it normaly would need the dev
[22:10] <Xand3r> but with dev i get an error
[22:11] <apachelogger> which error
[22:12] <Xand3r> with the dev files it could not find libkipi
[22:12] <Xand3r> maybeit was not installed
[22:13] <Xand3r> i have now 38% without any error massage
[22:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: I uploaded your kdebase-workspace diff, sorry for the delay, maybe we should look at putting a kde4.mk in cdbs since that change might be needed everywhere else too
[22:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, workspace should be the only one, but I really think we should move kde4.mk to cdbs
[22:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm just mindful it's diverging from debian (but then it is anyway) and also that cdbs has broken whenever I've touched it
[22:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: having own cdbs copies for every package is just awful for maintaining IMHO
[22:19] <apachelogger> we probably should also remove DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR = debian/tmp
[22:19] <apachelogger> it makes installing stuff from debian/ impossible
[22:19] <apachelogger> through debian/install that is of course :)
[22:20] <Riddell> you can use ..
[22:21] <apachelogger> hm
[22:21]  * apachelogger tries
[22:22] <Riddell> toma: adding GFDL to mailody
[22:23] <dAskreeCh> GFDL?
[22:23] <toma> o, do i get rich now?
[22:23] <Riddell> dAskreeCh: docs licence
[22:23] <Riddell> toma: seems unlikely
[22:24] <toma> Riddell: ok, do you mean in kubuntu or upstream?
[22:24] <Riddell> toma: upstream
[22:24] <toma> Riddell: okido!
[22:24] <Riddell> Xand3r: are you still working on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mailody-kde4 ?
[22:25] <dAskreeCh> ah right
[22:26] <Xand3r> emm ok i will do the changes
[22:26] <Xand3r> sorry
[22:26] <apachelogger> hm
[22:26]  * apachelogger is wondering why .. in debian/install didn't work earlier
[22:26] <apachelogger> ah well
[22:27]  * apachelogger hands Riddell a cookie
[22:27] <Riddell> Xand3r: you can ignore the lack of GFDL, I just added it upstream
[22:28] <Xand3r> Riddell: thx
[22:30] <Xand3r> Riddell: do i select akonadi-kde?
[22:31] <apachelogger> hm
[22:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: akonadi-kde, akonadi-server
[22:32]  * apachelogger is wondering why -kde doesn't depend -server
[22:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thx
[22:33] <apachelogger> actually
[22:33] <apachelogger> toma: does mailody require the akonadi stuff from kdepim?
[22:34] <toma> apachelogger: hmm, the user would like the resources at runtime, not needed at build time
[22:34] <apachelogger> ok
[22:34] <toma> apachelogger: but i think kdepimlibs/akonadi should pull them in
[22:36] <apachelogger> toma: the kdepimlibs package doesn't
[22:36]  * apachelogger adds an investigation to his todo
[22:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger: where i can get the right synopsis?
[22:36] <toma> apachelogger: yeah, not sure what would be best to do here
[22:36] <apachelogger> Xand3r: mailody --help
[22:37] <apachelogger> toma: trial and error ;-)
[22:37] <toma> no, i mean package wise
[22:37] <Xand3r> ok for it i have to install it
[22:37] <Xand3r> but i have no intrepid
[22:38] <Xand3r> apachelogger: so what is to do?
[22:40] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26045/
[22:40] <apachelogger> Xand3r: oh, btw, about the question you had earlier
[22:40] <apachelogger> sudo pbuilder login --save-after login
[22:40] <apachelogger> then you can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:40] <apachelogger> then run apt-get update
[22:41] <apachelogger> upon exit this will be your new pbuilder
[22:41] <Xand3r> ah another way
[22:41] <apachelogger> and to install software
[22:41] <apachelogger> just run sudo pbuilder login
[22:41] <apachelogger> it will tell you the path your chroot is extracted to
[22:41] <apachelogger> copy the deb to tmp/ or something
[22:41] <apachelogger> and then install it in the pbuilder
[22:42] <apachelogger> toma: I'll try to find out tomorrow
[22:43] <Xand3r> apachelogger: how can i build such a gigant man with docbook?
[22:44] <apachelogger> Xand3r: manually
[22:44] <apachelogger> or you lazy and ask me to do it with motu magic ;-)
[22:45] <Xand3r> moto magic
[22:45] <Xand3r> is good
[22:45] <Xand3r> apachelogger: so show me
[22:45] <vorian> na, Xand3r should do it old school
[22:46] <apachelogger> vorian: do you really want him to do that?
[22:46] <vorian> well, i suppose not
[22:46] <apachelogger> :D
[22:46] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, you can't do it, because you don't have it installed ;-)
[22:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26049/
[22:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thx alot
[22:48]  * apachelogger is wondering whether Xand3r is wondering why apachelogger was that fast :P
[22:50] <Xand3r> apachelogger: no, you are the master, you have to be so fast
[22:51] <apachelogger> hm, that sounds like an almost reasonable explanaition ;-)
[22:52] <Xand3r> ^^
[22:52] <apachelogger> vorian: how does it feel to be a MOTU?
[22:53] <Xand3r> new source is up, redy to find new stupid mistakes
[22:57] <vorian> apachelogger: weird
[22:58] <vorian> :)
[22:58] <apachelogger> hehe
[22:58] <vorian> haha
[23:01]  * vorian is looking at kvpm
[23:03] <Xand3r> vorian: if you have time could you review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mailody-kde4
[23:04] <vorian> Xand3r: sure thing, might be later in the evening.
[23:04] <Xand3r> kk
[23:04] <apachelogger> hm
[23:04] <Xand3r> my watch says 00:00
[23:04] <apachelogger> that is later in the night for Xand3r anyway :P
[23:04] <vorian> it's 6pm here
[23:04] <Xand3r> emm no 00:04
[23:04] <vorian> ok, earlier in the morning then?
[23:04] <vorian> :P
[23:05] <Xand3r> kk
[23:05] <Xand3r> has digikam-kde4 conflicts with digikam?
[23:05] <apachelogger> vorian: morning is a matter of definiton really ;-)
[23:05] <apachelogger> Xand3r: yes
[23:05] <vorian> right-o
[23:05] <Xand3r> apachelogger: kk
[23:06] <apachelogger> Xand3r: and digikam-doc I guess
[23:06] <vorian> i'll switch my irssi shell to utc
[23:06] <apachelogger> Xand3r: considering digikam comes with documentation
[23:07] <Xand3r> hmmm
[23:07] <apachelogger> vorian: I am running my whole life according to UTC from time to time
[23:07] <apachelogger> hm
[23:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you actually think about that once?
[23:07]  * apachelogger only started with that to get better organized with his amarok release schedules
[23:07] <Xand3r> apachelogger: no -doc only -dbb
[23:08] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, you should have a -dbg in your debian/control which conflicts the digikam-dbg
[23:08] <apachelogger> digikam-kde4-dbg vs. digikam-dbg
[23:08] <Xand3r> kk
[23:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: uhmm it seems i am as well
[23:09] <Nightrose> ;-)
[23:10] <apachelogger> Xand3r: conercning mailody - please add a copyright statement to the manpage itself
[23:10] <apachelogger> *concerning
[23:10] <Xand3r> -.-
[23:10] <Xand3r> i am tired
[23:11] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[23:11] <apachelogger> Xand3r: and add a debian/watch file
[23:11] <apachelogger> to learn something new ;-)
[23:11] <apachelogger> Xand3r: see man uscan for information about that
[23:12] <Xand3r> gnaaaaaaa
[23:14] <Xand3r> digikam stands, only details are to do
[23:15] <Xand3r> and i why i can compile it with libkipi, i normaly need the dev
[23:15] <Xand3r> may be something is not rigth there
[23:15] <Xand3r> so i go sleeping folks
[23:16] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i go sleeping, nini
[23:16] <Nightrose> night Xand3r
[23:16] <apachelogger> nini Xand3r
[23:16] <Xand3r> night Nightrose
[23:23] <Nightrose> heh apachelogger... - and there is my "your signed key" mail as well :P
[23:24] <Nightrose> that was like a year ago - jeeez
[23:27] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:32] <smarter> 'night everyone


[00:01] <rakshasa> Than just install your ubuntu and select the right partition make sure you dont overwrite you windos
[00:02] <rakshasa> Leave some MB's unallocated space between the partitions
[00:04] <rakshasa> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome#intro
[00:04] <rakshasa> Here is some info
[00:07] <Duhza> hello
[01:47] <ApOgEE> hi all
[02:17] <thewrath> hey all!
[03:28] <thewrath> hello
[08:16] <xardas008> what can be the reason for a file conflict in ubuntu one?
[08:16] <xardas008> and how can i avoid it in Ubuntu 10.10
[08:49] <r4y> Hello
[08:49] <xardas008> hello r4y
[08:49] <r4y> When Ubuntu 10.04 had come out I downloaded it and put it on CD
[08:50] <r4y> Do they change what they upload for downloaders to put on CD
[08:50] <r4y> you know iso
[08:50] <xardas008> how do you mean that?
[08:50] <r4y> How do I not mean that?
[08:51] <r4y> I am thinking how else I can say it
[08:51] <r4y> I should say something about what I am asking
[08:52] <r4y> I am not sure I can find the link I had read
[08:52] <r4y> there was a bug in the iso cd I downloaded of lucid lynx
[08:53] <r4y> where when installing, when the menu pops up I can't just let it automatically go into the live session
[08:53] <r4y> instead
[08:53] <r4y> I had to pick to go into the live session by pressing start
[08:53] <r4y> don't ask me why but I remember it
[08:53] <r4y> anyways
[08:54] <xardas008> normaly ubuntu lets you decide if you want to install or go into live session
[08:54] <r4y> It was a bug of some sort
[08:54] <r4y> I never had that problem before
[08:55] <r4y> I have burned Gutsy Gibbons, Hardy Heron, and that other one which I think was 9.04
[08:55] <xardas008> i never had any problems with the live image
[08:55] <r4y> they didn't have any problem like the one I have with this CD I had burned
[08:55] <r4y> So
[08:56] <r4y> I am asking do they change the upload they feed people for each individual version?
[08:56] <xardas008> for lts maybe
[08:56] <r4y> That's my thought as well
[08:57] <r4y> I don't know for sure either
[08:57] <r4y> What version are you running?, or are you?
[08:57] <nit-wit> would you iike a md5sum check link
[08:58] <r4y> No, I know where to go
[08:58] <nit-wit> cool
[08:58] <r4y> It's easy to find
[08:58] <r4y> thank you though
[08:58] <r4y> :)
[08:58] <xardas008> atm 11.04
[08:58] <r4y> Is 10.04 more stable?
[08:59] <xardas008> no it's a beta
[08:59] <r4y> Does beta mean newest?, I never quite understood alpha and beta
[09:00] <xardas008> it means that it is a testing version
[09:00] <xardas008> not for productive work
[09:00] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: 10.04 "should" be more stable than 11.04B4 or even 10.10 as it's a LTS
[09:00] <r4y> O, OK
[09:00] <r4y> thank you both
[09:01] <r4y> Wait, I was just on their website, I didn't see 10.10, although I have read that number of Ubuntu many times
[09:02] <r4y> I must have missed it somehow
[09:02] <r4y> I though 10.04 was Long term and 10.10 was not
[09:02] <r4y> I thought, not I though
[09:03] <r4y> wacks myself on the head
[09:04] <r4y> So I am wrong, then?, If I am wrong then Ubuntu 10.04 and Ubuntu 10.10 is Long Term?
[09:04] <r4y> are long term, not is, wack
[09:04] <xardas008> only 10.04 is Long Term
[09:04] <r4y> ouch
[09:04] <r4y> LOL
[09:04] <r4y> OK
[09:04] <r4y> is 11.04 also LT?
[09:04] <bioterror> no
[09:04] <r4y> I what you just said
[09:04] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: Nope :)
[09:05] <r4y> OK
[09:05] <r4y> OK I am sorry, thank you
[09:05] <bioterror> 12.04 might be ;)
[09:05] <r4y> So I should try Lucid again I guess
[09:05] <bioterror> as 08.04 -> 10.04 ->
[09:05] <r4y> When will that be out?
[09:05] <r4y> O, right
[09:05] <xardas008> 12.04 in april 2012
[09:05] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: it should be 12.04 :)
[09:05] <bioterror> :D
[09:06] <r4y> I was just using 8.04 about a month and half ago
[09:06] <MrChrisDruif> Lucid is out r4y
[09:06] <r4y> One more year, but it will be in beta
[09:06] <r4y> OK, thank you guys
[09:06] <r4y> you have helped me understand better
[09:06] <MrChrisDruif> In beta?
[09:06] <r4y> 12
[09:06] <r4y> not 10
[09:07] <r4y> when it is out it will in beta for a while
[09:07] <r4y> testing
[09:07] <r4y> version 12
[09:07] <bioterror> those goes by the year
[09:07] <bioterror> 12 means 2012
[09:08] <r4y> I know 10.04 is out, I already have it on CD in this room which I burned some many months ago
[09:08] <bioterror> 10.04 came year ago
[09:08] <r4y> those?
[09:09] <r4y> each number by year?
[09:09] <r4y> I don't know why I didn'e see it before
[09:09] <r4y> really wacks
[09:09] <r4y> double ouch
[09:10] <MrChrisDruif> r4y: It took me some time to get that as well :)
[09:10] <r4y> I see the light, ha ha ha ha
[09:11] <r4y> ty all so much, now I know what I am going to do and I understand some more better
[09:11] <r4y> I always learn something when I come here
[09:11] <r4y> always
[09:12] <r4y> Take care all, o/
[09:12] <r4y> bye
[09:14] <r4y> Bye MrChrisDruif, bioterror, xardas008, and nit-wit
[09:14] <MrChrisDruif> Bya r4y :)
[09:14] <r4y> o/
[09:14] <bioterror> ubuntu comes every 6 months
[09:14] <bioterror> 04 and 10
[09:14] <r4y> evey 6 months
[09:15] <r4y> by number for number of the year
[09:15] <xardas008> and month
[09:15] <bioterror> year.month
[09:15] <r4y>  since 4?, right
[09:15] <bioterror> like 11.04
[09:15] <bioterror> that's how it will get version
[09:15] <r4y> So they started with number 4?
[09:15] <bioterror> they started with 5.04
[09:15] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)#Releases
[09:15] <r4y> Well, now it makes sense
[09:16] <bioterror> sowwy, 4.10 was first ;)
[09:16] <r4y> aha, I see
[09:16] <bioterror> 6.06 was exception
[09:16] <r4y> well, close(spelling) enough for me
[09:17] <r4y> 4 being in the middle of the year,
[09:17] <r4y> OK well take care and ty you all
[10:07] <xardas008> i have a problem with ubuntu one, when i have a file conflict, i can't do what is described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/HowDoIResolveConflictFiles because the original file isn't visible anymore
[12:48] <coz_>  good day to all
[12:53] <s-fox> =)
[13:02] <coz_> s-fox,   hey
[13:04] <s-fox> Hello. BIAB
[18:19] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[18:19] <kristian-aalborg> here's a simple question for once
[18:19] <kristian-aalborg> I need to install an extra kernel
[18:20] <kristian-aalborg> just as a security measure... what would I need? linux-image something something and?
[18:21] <xardas008> http://www.ramoonus.nl/2011/03/linux-kernel-2-6-38-installation-guide-for-ubuntu-linux/
[18:21] <xardas008> everything you need stands on this page
[18:22] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you can easily install the PAE kernel
[18:22] <kristian-aalborg> yo holstein
[18:22] <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-generic-pae
[18:22] <holstein> the problem is
[18:23] <holstein> which ever is the newest
[18:23] <holstein> which should be the normal -generic one
[18:23] <holstein> will the at the top of the list in grub
[18:23] <holstein> and get booted
[18:23] <holstein> normally
[18:23] <holstein> i just leave the last *good* kernel in place
[18:23] <holstein> and use it if needed
[18:30] <kristian-aalborg> aptitude update reveals no new kernels
[18:44] <kevin9286049> i know there's a kernel ppa kristian-aalborg
[18:45] <kristian-aalborg> kevin9286049: been there and not going back ;)
[18:46] <kevin9286049> i was able to add 2.6.26, i did it through the kernel ppa
[18:46] <kevin9286049> good luck then
[19:51] <Duhza> hello
[19:59] <Toastedegg> I'm trying to install ubuntu onto my netbook. I'm at the final installation step (Who are you?) and after typing in all my information, with the download bar saying "Ready when you are..." the Forward button isn't becoming available.
[19:59] <Toastedegg> What am I doing wrong here?
[20:00] <holstein> Toastedegg: what installer?
[20:00] <holstein> the live installer for the 32bit 10.10?
[20:01] <Toastedegg> The one available for the netbook from ubuntu.com.
[20:01] <holstein> right
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Toastedegg: make sure the username is not admin
[20:01] <Toastedegg> It isn't.
[20:01] <holstein> what version?
[20:01] <holstein> 10.10?
[20:01] <Toastedegg> 10.10
[20:01] <holstein> right?
[20:01] <holstein> OK
[20:01] <Toastedegg> Everything on the Who are you page has a green check.
[20:02] <Duhza> how can i get mysql on my 64bit ubuntu desktop
[20:02] <holstein> Toastedegg: back button working?
[20:02] <Toastedegg> yeah
[20:02] <holstein> you tried it?
[20:02] <holstein> already?
[20:02] <Toastedegg> yep
[20:02] <holstein> Duhza: check out http://blog.sudobits.com/2010/10/27/how-to-install-mysql-on-ubuntu-10-10/
[20:03] <holstein> Toastedegg: if it were me
[20:03] <holstein> i would DL the normal ubuntu
[20:03] <holstein> and try that installer
[20:03] <holstein> you should be able to get past that though
[20:03] <Toastedegg> Yeah, that's why I'm stumped about it.
[20:03] <holstein> probably just something fiddly with what you've entered
[20:04] <Toastedegg> Possibly.
[20:05] <Toastedegg> I'll check the only step that might be giving it problems, and then try the normal ubuntu.
[20:06] <Toastedegg> And now the loader bar is stuck at "Getting the time from a network time server..." Joy.
[20:08] <holstein> Toastedegg: how did it run live?
[20:08] <holstein> the network?
[20:08] <Toastedegg> I thiink so. I'm not certain.
[20:08] <holstein> well, i wouldnt expect anything miraculous to happen
[20:08] <holstein> it'll run the same as it did live
[20:09] <holstein> if you didnt have network from the live CD
[20:09] <holstein> you wont have it now, or right after the install
[20:09] <holstein> i think its a great idea to use the live CD's as a tool
[20:09] <holstein> to see how well the hardware supports linus
[20:09] <holstein> linux*
[20:10] <Toastedegg> Alright. It's a Toshiba netbook, so it shouldn't have too many problems.
[20:10] <Toastedegg> Guess I'll try the normal ubuntu.
[20:14] <holstein> Toastedegg: ?
[20:15] <Toastedegg> ?
[20:15] <holstein> depends on the hardwar really
[20:15] <holstein> hardware
[20:15] <holstein> i wouldnt assume anything
[20:15] <Toastedegg> True.
[20:15] <kevin9286049> Toastedegg: you might consider searching launchpad.net and ubuntuforums.org for your netbook model
[20:15] <kevin9286049> Toshiba's are MS-centric.  I have a u305-s7448 notebook
[20:15] <holstein> but, we'll help you sort out wifi or whatever post-install too :)
[20:16] <Toastedegg> Thanks.
[23:48] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, I did everything here: http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[23:48] <kristian-aalborg> then I got the backup kernel I talked about...
[23:49] <kristian-aalborg> now my changes have been undone?!
[23:50] <kristian-aalborg> the config files look the same though


[07:12] <RAOF> Urgh.
[07:12] <anpok> hi
[07:12] <RAOF> gcc, I'm *pretty* sure 1024 * 256 is not a narrowing conversion from int to unsigned long.
[07:14] <anpok> RAOF: btw gave up on i915 for a while now - the code we added is never used by that driver..
[07:14] <RAOF> ...!
[07:15] <RAOF> Bargh. Why did they copy it when they forked it then?!
[07:15] <anpok> havent looked at the details it goes through a few calls marked as "old.."..
[07:17] <anpok> at some point i want it to be fixed - that netbook I have should run mir in the end..
[07:18] <anpok> so maybe a weekend project
[08:25] <greyback> anpok: hey, have you time to investigate our crasher with the input sender?
[08:43] <anpok> greyback: yes
[08:44] <anpok> -> https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/mir/main-loop-should-not-claim-ownership-of-fds/+merge/224751
[08:44] <greyback> anpok: ah cool, will pull and test
[08:44] <anpok> i forgot to change that part of mainloop within just-unregister-fd
[08:51] <tvoss> greyback, is your launchpad nick greyback, too?
[08:56] <alan_g> anpok: fix typo and you're goo to go
[08:56] <alan_g> *good
[08:57] <greyback> tvoss: nope 'gerboland'
[08:59] <greyback> anpok: fix confirmed
[09:00] <greyback> thank you!
[09:06] <anpok> oh great typo that is
[10:40] <alan_g> tvoss|food: wrong target or need to rebase? https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/mir/explicit-gcc-version/+merge/224773
[10:45] <greyback> alf__: lp:~afrantzis/unity-mir/fix-1332624-input-area <- approved
[11:49] <alan_g> The following tests FAILED:
[11:49] <alan_g> 	  7 - mir_acceptance_tests.ClientSurfaceEvents.* (SEGFAULT)
[11:49] <alan_g> Rats! I had an old core file. :(
[19:08] <anpok> re


[02:39] <drkokandy> I liked your names better too Unit193
[02:44] <Unit193> :D
[03:31]  * skellat waits for his BeagleBoard-xM running Testing to reload Xfce in a slightly altered configuration with SLiM instead of lightdm
[04:03] <skellat> Something interesting for the evening hours providing a window to the past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-KUat5WEkU
[04:03] <jenni> [ 1939 Film: New Zealand Shortwave Communications; Morse code (CW) - YouTube ] - https://j.mp/19g9hYY
[04:13] <skellat> Hmm... http://archive.org/details/OhioLinuxfest2013
[04:13] <jenni> [ Ohio LinuxFest 2013 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ] - https://j.mp/19gaDDf
[04:13] <skellat> Apparently recordings are posted
[12:36] <belkinsa> That's nice that they did that.
[13:12] <belkinsa> Do you know when we will know anything about the next years OLF?
[18:22] <skellat> belkinsa: I'll wait a few months before I contact the organizers.
[18:22]  * skellat is just back after playing with power tools at the congregation's building to run speaker wire to adjust the sound system there
[19:14] <canthus13> anyone have any non-foss-fanboy opinion on the intel Iris cards?
[19:46] <belkinsa> I see and duh, it's still to early.
[19:52] <skellat> belkinsa: Once Trusty Tahr is done
[19:52] <skellat> canthus13: An Intel Iris card?  I haven't seen one in the wild.  What is it for?
[20:17] <jrgifford> Can someone remind me of what Iris is?
[20:51] <canthus13> skellat: chipset, not card. sorry. It's their latest graphics offering.  one of the vendors at OLF was raving about them.
[20:56] <jrgifford> canthus13: i was hearing about them, i heard good things
[21:00] <canthus13> It seems like they sit somewhere between the geforce 640 and 650M from the benchmarks I finally found.
[21:00] <jrgifford> the only question I had was what the actual linux support was.
[21:01] <jrgifford> I had heard that it wasn't great, or even really working at all yet
[21:01] <canthus13> Eh... System76 already has them running on the Pangolin Performance.
[21:01] <jrgifford> interesting.
[21:01] <canthus13> (or whatever their 14" offering is)


[04:52] <markwkm> what's the diskspace quote for projects on launchpad?
[05:01]  * Hobbsee wonders why the address she just removed from LP is what LP is telling her the request came from, to get a new address.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> We received a request from Sarah Hobbs using email address
[05:02] <Hobbsee><EMAIL_ADDRESS>trying to validate the email address
[05:02] <Hobbsee><EMAIL_ADDRESS>for use in Launchpad.
[05:02]  * Hobbsee previously just deleted the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:12]  * gnomefreak wonders how to get a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email
[05:13] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: register the domain?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> host it somewhere?
[05:14] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i know but i never thought about doing it that way
[05:29] <lifeless> Hobbsee: >< not sure
[05:30] <lifeless> Hobbsee: bugger a file?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> lifeless: heh :)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> lifeless: i'm a little busy attempting to sort out bits of irc ops crap
[05:30] <Hobbsee> lifeless: i just thought that was particularlys tarnge.
[05:34] <lifeless> tarnge eh?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> strange.
[05:34]  * Hobbsee is freezing!
[06:45]  * mtaylor is away: I'm not here right now
[07:07] <thumper> markwkm: I don't think there are quotas right now
[08:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all. i just noticed when you leave a team your placed in a 'deactivated' status. is this for a technical reason? i pressed the 'leave team' button because i dont want to be bound to it anymroe after all :)
[08:29] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser: that bothers me too. Let me know if you find a bug about it
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke, ok. i'll let you know how it goes
[08:30] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser: it's not so much the status that bothers me, but the fact that when a team is reorganised (e.g. becomes an umbrella team), all the deactivated members are listed at the bottom, like on https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc/+members
[08:32] <carlos_> morning
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats rather ugly
[08:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> semi related https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/121380 but not entirely
[08:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke, i dont see anything directly related to our problem(s). the bug above is as close as i saw
[09:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> morning :)
[09:33] <mpt> Gnewsense people in #launchpad? Whatever next?
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> having a group probably ;)
[09:42] <mpt> Having a group? Is that like having a party?
[09:44]  * mpt reads http://blue-gnu.biz/content/rethinking_gobuntu
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> it means i copped some heat for making lp.n/~gnewsense
[09:45]  * Kamping_Kaiser wonders if he should dig into that thread and post, and tries to avoid it
[10:01] <mpt> You're stronger than me, then :-)
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[10:37] <koni> join #ubuntu-classroom
[11:56] <Typhox> where do I post a bug with kgeography?
[11:56] <mohbana> hey guys
[11:57] <wgrant> Typhox: Is it the Ubuntu package of kgeography?
[11:58] <Typhox> eh, i installed kde on ubuntu 8.04.
[11:58] <Typhox> kgeography comes with that
[11:58] <wgrant> Typhox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+filebug
[11:59] <Typhox> Thanks :-)
[11:59] <wgrant> np
[12:02] <mohbana> hi
[12:03] <mohbana> can i use mercurial at launchpad to host my project?
[12:04] <spiv> No, just bzr.
[12:04] <mohbana> any future plans for hg?
[12:05] <spiv> Not at the moment.  Eventually we'd like to be able to import from hg automatically.
[12:05] <spiv> It's hard enough work integrating a single vcs :)
[12:05] <mohbana> just out of interest why was bazaar choosen?
[12:06] <spiv> Canonical sponsors the development of Bazaar because we think it's the best tool.
[12:07] <spiv> So basically the answer is "because we like it" :)
[12:08] <mohbana> are there workarounds for saying using a vcs?
[12:08] <mohbana> without using bazaar at all
[12:10] <spiv> You mean workarounds for hosting code in another vcs on Launchpad?
[12:10] <spiv> None that I know of.
[12:10] <spiv> You can always upload tarballs to the file download part of your project, but that isn't really the same sort of thing.
[12:15] <mohbana> how can i request features?
[12:15] <mohbana> i mean there must be people wanting a different vc
[12:16] <spiv> Filing a bug report would be the best way.
[12:17] <spiv> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad)
[12:20] <mohbana> thanks and bye
[12:21] <Stavros> hello
[12:21] <Stavros> whom would i talk to about launchpad's usability shortcomings?
[12:22] <mpt> Stavros, that would be me
[12:22] <Stavros> well, i am trying to upload some project files (if I understand their reason correctly), which are releases of my code, but i can't find how, and there's no link on the "project files" page
[12:23] <thumper> you need a release, and it isn't obvious
[12:23] <Stavros> i was also trying to look at the code in my repo yesterday but kept going around in circles (code->trunk->code)
[12:23] <Stavros> ah
[12:25] <Stavros> i would expect that going under "code" i would easily be able to see the repository code, but you have to go code-><branch>->browse code
[12:25] <Stavros> and the "browse code" link is rather buried
[12:25] <mpt> the "Browse code" link will become much less buried in a couple of months
[12:25] <Stavros> ah, great
[12:26] <Stavros> i just saw the "register a release" link as well
[12:26] <Stavros> i don't think i would have found it if not by chance
[12:26] <mpt> thumper, would it make sense to allow auto-registering a release in the process of uploading files?
[12:27] <Stavros> do you think it would be possible, when one registers a release, to have the bzr commit messages between two revisions shown for the changelog?
[12:27] <Stavros> since that's more or less what one does
[12:43] <mpt> I think thumper's gone to bed
[12:43] <Stavros> ah
[12:43] <mpt> Stavros, I suggest suggesting that in a bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar
[12:44] <Stavros> will do, thanks
[12:48]  * Hobbsee waves to mpt
[12:49]  * mpt beaches back
[13:13] <Theuni_> howdi
[13:13] <Theuni_> can someone tell me how to change the development focus of one series to another?
[13:17] <mwhudson> it's in $project/+edit i think?
[13:20]  * Theuni_ looks
[13:25] <Theuni_> oh jeesh
[13:25] <Theuni_> so small
[13:25] <Theuni_> thanks
[13:25] <mwhudson> np
[14:04] <chongpe> Hello. Is it possible to use buildbot so that we have a buildslave hooked up to our launchpad bazaar main branch?
[14:05] <chongpe> I'm a newbie when it comes to both launchpad and buildbot. From what I have read, anything that wants to hook into a buildslave needs some sort of hook script. I'm not clear on how that would work with our project's bazaar repository which is at launchpad.net
[15:44] <markwkm> thumper: ok, thanks :)
[16:44] <korpios> If I do "bzr branch lp:foo lp:bar", will that require my bzr to pull everything locally and then push up again?  I was working on a bugfix for bzr, and after pulling trunk, branching it locally to work on the bug, and pushing the bugfix branch to launchpad, I was wondering if there was a faster way.  ^_^
[17:33]  * mtaylor is back (gone 10:47:19)
[18:48] <andrea-bs> hi there! could somebody tell me when launchpad 2.0 will be released?
[20:46] <Ashfire908> does launchpad support SOAP?
[21:00] <statik> Ashfire908: launchpad has a couple of minimal xml-rpc interfaces, and work is going on right now on adding APIs all over launchpad
[21:01] <statik> Ashfire908: the new APIs will not be SOAP, but they will be usable from any language, and we will provide a very nice python client library
[21:04] <statik> chongpe: you've already left, but google reads these logs, so I'll answer anyway. yes, you can connect buildbot to a launchpad branch
[21:04] <statik> we provide both email notification and atom feeds of new revisions on a branch, and those can be connected to a buildbot master
[21:05] <statik> in order to trigger the builds
[21:07] <statik> korpios: I wish there was a faster way to do bzr branch lp:foo lp:bar without transferring all the data. I call this a feature request for "server side branching", and it's on my wishlist. we've discussed it a bit, but I don't think it has been scheduled yet
[21:10] <Ashfire908> statik: ok, you mean the python libary in the python-launchpad-bugs project on launchpad
[21:10] <statik> Ashfire908: no, that uses screenscraping. We will be releasing a new library when we roll out the new API
[21:11] <Ashfire908> ok
[21:11] <statik> Ashfire908: the one in python-launchpad-bugs was built by people who use launchpad because we didn't offer an API at that time
[21:12] <statik> Ashfire908: if you have specific requests for the API, please do send them on to launchpad-users mailing list
[21:12] <statik> what are you planning to do with the API?
[21:13] <Ashfire908> there's a program that reports bugs and the package for ubuntu reports to the debian bug tracker, and it used SOAP, so i was going to see if i could make a fix for it or something
[21:14] <Ashfire908> when will the new API come out?
[21:14] <korpios> statik: ah, okies; is there a bug already filed?
[21:15] <statik> korpios: I don't think so, you are welcome to file that as a feature request.
[21:15] <statik> korpios: what size repository are you working with?
[21:16] <korpios> statik: it just came up in the past day when I was branching bzr's own repo to fix a bug
[21:16] <statik> Ashfire908: soon, I think, next few months. I don't know the release date but I know people are working on it every day. Actually, the one API that we do already have for a long time is an xml-rpc filebug API
[21:16]  * statik looks for the docs on filebug
[21:17] <statik> BjornT: do we have docs on the old xml-rpc filebug API anywhere other than pagetests?
[21:18] <BjornT> statik: yes
[21:18] <BjornT> https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneXMLRPC
[21:19] <statik> BjornT: thanks! my wiki searches on help.lp.n were not finding that, but I thought it was there.
[21:19] <statik> Ashfire908: ^ you can use this right now to file bugs, and it is a lot simpler than SOAP
[21:23] <Ashfire908> ok
[21:25] <Ashfire908> thanks
[22:44] <daou> Question about PPAs: is there an accepted way of uploading a package for multiple distros?
[22:45] <daou> At first I tried making a package for feisty, using the following naming "app-version-X" where X is the deb package version. This worked.
[22:47] <daou> Then I tried making 3 different packages, naming them "app-version-distroX", but Launchpad is rejecting the changes (MD5 match), no matter how much I increase the package version
[22:48] <daou> distro being either feisty, gutsy, or hardy
[22:57] <LaserJock> what you want is to use something like <app version>-0ubuntu~gutsy-ppaX
[22:58] <daou> Ok thanks, I'll give it a shot. I did try "app-version-0gutsy1~ppaX" before, and that didn't work.
[22:58] <LaserJock> hmm
[22:59] <LaserJock> well there's probably a different problem going on as well
[22:59] <LaserJock> the Md5sum error is probably because you're trying to reupload the .orig.tar.gz file
[22:59] <LaserJock> how are you building the source package?
[23:01] <daou> svn export of source, tar.gz the source, copy tar.gz to orig.tar.gz, add necessary debian/* files, debuild -S, dput
[23:02] <LaserJock> hmm
[23:02] <daou> its all done in a python script i hacked together, it creates the changelog 3 times for each distro and makes the source.changes, diff, dsc files etc
[23:02] <LaserJock> not debuild -S -sa?
[23:03] <LaserJock> you want debuild -S -sa for the first upload of a orig.tar.gz then thereafter just debuild -S
[23:03] <daou> the signature should be fine, it has been working otherwise with -S
[23:04] <daou> but i'll give it a shot
[23:04] <LaserJock> well, you'd want to see the contents of the _source.changes file
[23:04] <LaserJock> and see if the .orig.tar.gz is listed in there
[23:09] <daou> the .changes files do not mention .orig.tar.gz, also, debuild -S -sa doesn't make a .change file. Is this correct?
[23:09] <daou> wait, bug in my script :)
[23:11] <daou> ok, the first now contains an MD5 sum for .orig.tar.gz, the one that used debuild -S -sa
[23:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[23:13] <LaserJock> the -sa tells it to include the .orig.tar.gz when creating .changes
[23:15] <daou> ok it worked now
[23:15] <daou> thanks, LaserJock