[02:51] <Redfoxie> hi hi
[03:09] <ahoneybun> hey Redfoxie
[03:10] <Redfoxie> how are you?
[03:10] <ahoneybun> good
[03:10] <Redfoxie> we have had some crazy rain here lately huh?
[03:11] <ahoneybun> yea for sure
[03:12] <Redfoxie> here is a big shot in the dark, you dont by chance work with ubuntu servers any do you?
[03:15] <mhall119> Redfoxie: crazy in that it comes in the morning, otherwise pretty standard summer weather
[03:16] <Redfoxie> fair enough, im in central most of ours have been in the afternoon but gone by evening
[03:16] <mhall119> Redfoxie: I *have* Ubuntu Servers, but I'm not a sysadmin, so I may or may not be able to help
[03:16] <Redfoxie> 'im having trouble doing an install on 14.04.2 with a memorystick
[03:17] <mhall119> what's the trouble?
[03:17] <Redfoxie> not being able to install it at all lol
[03:17] <Redfoxie> there are two issues i run into
[03:17] <Redfoxie> but brb ill explain in a sec swaping systems
[03:18] <mhall119> what kind of servers are they? If they're RAID or something, I'm going to be totally lost
[03:19]  * mhall119 might actually be lost for anything related to installing server, has only done cloud deployments in the last several years


[06:52] <vil> doko: hello there
[06:53] <doko> vil: hi
[06:57] <vil> doko: last time I quit too early, did you have something to discus?
[06:57] <doko> can't remember :)
[06:58] <doko> vil: when do you apply as a MOTU do upload eclipse and eclipse-pydev yourself Ubuntu?
[06:58] <vil> I told you about the eclipse / gcj in edgy
[06:59] <vil> do you thing that it is about the time? I am fine with current setup that I do not take any responsibility and do not have to bother with uploading :)
[07:07] <vil> so I guess that I should follow the process described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers?action=show&redirect=MaintainerCandidates
[07:07] <vil> make a wiki page sumarizing my past work
[07:08] <vil> and finally attend a technical board meeting asking to become a MOTU
[07:13] <vil> do you know, if I have to sign up somewhere? or can I just attend the technical board ask for membership?
[07:24] <doko> vil: sorry, had a phone call, yes, in practice, that will work; you could join #ubuntu-motu as well and ask maybe dholbach
[07:26] <vil> ok thanks, will do that later today
[07:28] <vil> I wanted to talk a bit about that eclipse / gij issue on fresh Edgy. would you have a few minutes for it?
[07:29] <doko> what do you mean with "fresh edgy"?
[07:31] <vil> just installed from a cd
[07:32] <vil> I got  a bugreport on eclipse-pydev saying that when he tries apt-get install eclipse-pydev it succedes, but when he tries to run it, the system lacks jvm
[07:32] <doko> i386, amd64?
[07:33] <vil> this is rather eclipse issue I guess
[07:34] <vil> cannot say
[07:35] <doko> vil: try to install java-gcj-compat?
[07:35] <vil> and the above happens because the system from the cd contains gij-4.1,  which provides java-runtim2, so eclipse does not install java-gcj-compat
[07:36] <vil> right, if you install java-gcj-compat, everything is ok
[07:36] <vil> but the bug is that it does not get installed as dependency for eclipse
[07:37] <doko> ok, maybe we should adjust the script eclipse.sh to check for that.
[07:37] <doko> we dropped java-gcj-compat from the CD to save 8MB
[07:37] <vil> however, removing java-runtime2 (or 1) from deps would couse that java-gcj-compat would be installed even if you had sun java installed
[07:40] <doko> yes, I don't have a good plan yet ...
[07:41] <vil> so shall I write a new bug on eclipse? I mean, you know about it already, so is there a reason?
[07:42] <doko> no, propose a sane fix ;-P
[07:43] <doko> anyway, I have to leave, will be back late at night
[07:46] <vil> bye
[08:50] <matt19wales> hello
[08:50] <matt19wales> anyone there?
[08:50] <matt19wales> hello
[08:52] <vil> hello
[08:55] <matt19wales> how are u?
[08:55] <vil> fine :)
[08:55] <vil> thanks
[08:55] <matt19wales> are u good at java programming?
[08:55] <vil> and u?
[08:55] <vil> just medium
[08:55] <matt19wales> i'm ok, getting a bit stressed out to be honest
[08:56] <matt19wales> fed up of this java! doing it for uni, we're on algorithm's at the moment
[08:58] <vil> how can I help you
[08:58] <matt19wales> well at the moment we are studying runtime's of different algorithms
[08:59] <matt19wales> and i've managed to write the 1 algorithm called insertion sort
[08:59] <matt19wales> and works OK :) but i have no idea where to start on the next algorithm, counting sort
[09:00] <matt19wales> http://users.cs.cf.ac.uk/C.L.Mumford/tristan/CountPage.html
[09:00] <matt19wales> there is the pseudocode
[09:03] <vil> well, this forum is more about packaging java progs for debian. maybe try ##java forum
[09:04] <matt19wales> ah ok
[09:04] <matt19wales> thanks anyway :)
[09:04] <vil> you can find some more info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_sort
[09:05] <matt19wales> yeah been on there! pretty much looking for a complete solution. we're allowed to pull it straight off the web cos its mostly concentrated on measuring runtime ect
[09:07] <matt19wales> cant find it anywhere online
[09:09] <vil> at wiki, there is a link to c++ implementation, which could be quite close to java.
[09:10] <matt19wales> never used c++ ever before
[09:10] <matt19wales> will have to try and work from the pseudocode i think if i cant get anyhelp from the java forum later
[09:11] <vil> good luck ;)
[09:15] <matt19wales> thanks


[09:32] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[17:04] <pleia2> aah, not registered
[17:05] <waltman> I didn't want to register it myself
[17:05] <waltman> (in meetings)
[18:26] <ChinnoDog> So now it can't be registered?
[18:27] <pleia2> we'll just need to ask in #ubuntu-irc
[18:27] <pleia2> the owners of the ubuntu namespace can get superpowers
[18:33] <ChinnoDog> I didn't know IRC had registered namespaces.
[18:45] <waltman> I wasn't sure how to go about it myself
[18:46] <waltman> So I figured I'd squat here until the cavalry arrived :)
[18:47] <pleia2> :D


[22:31] <brandonkal> When I try a docker pull, I get: ERROR: Get "https://registry-1.docker.io/v2/": context deadline exceeded. In general it seems to be slow to connect to urls (i.e. slow apt update). How would one debug this? I don't have strict firewall rules enabled.


[01:12] <tsimonq2> tomorrow is the day
[01:13] <tsimonq2> tomorrow is the day that I get contact position of the Ubuntu Wisconsin LoCo Team
[01:13] <ahoneybun> \o/
[15:32] <svij> nhaines: ping


[01:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:22] <wyoung> Good afternoon!
[05:08] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[05:48] <ducasse> good morning
[05:49] <Metamorphosis> good morning ducasse
[05:49] <ducasse> \o
[07:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[20:37] <Sparc343> Does anyone happen to know where I can find official disc images? To elaborate I do not mean ISO's but rather actual disc images so that I could print on the disc after burning it ;)
[20:39] <Sparc343> Basically, this is exactly what I'm looking for (same version and everything) just much much higher resolution ~ https://i2.wp.com/ubuntuportal.com/wp-content/uploads/Ubuntu-12.04-LTS-Server-on-Disc.jpg
[20:40] <sarnold> it's entirely possible that nothing like that exists for newer releases
[20:40] <daftykins> ^ flash drives win
[20:41] <Sparc343> Understood, but I actually have a project that uses 12.04 LTS (server), and would like to find basically that same image I liked, but a much higher (actually printable) resolution
[20:41] <Sparc343> linked*
[20:41] <sarnold> wow, something still using 12.04? brave
[20:42] <Sparc343> Well I hope not to face ridicule, it's not for a production environment ;) It's for a teaching/learning expereince kind of thing :)
[20:43] <sarnold> Sparc343: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing#A12.04_artwork
[20:43] <sarnold> that pdf took forever to load, it must be biggish :)
[20:43] <Sparc343> :D I will try, thank you much
[20:44] <Sparc343> but/and yes, for actual production use I would just use current LTS and a USB drive ;) :D
[20:45] <sarnold> alright, cool, just so long as you know what you're getting :)
[20:47] <Sparc343> it does look like that will work perfectly, also is PDF so should even appears scalable when opening w/ GIMP
[20:47] <Sparc343> so thank you again/much!
[20:48] <sarnold> oh I didn't think of using gimp for that, nice
[20:48] <daftykins> !cookie | sarnold
[20:48] <sarnold> YAY COOKIES! nomnomnom
[20:49] <daftykins> \o/
[21:01] <Sparc343> cookies for all? :D
[21:02] <daftykins> well, if we did that some people would get ideas
[21:02] <daftykins> and there'd be less help!
[21:02] <Sparc343> truth
[22:59] <jeremy31> !yum
[23:01] <daftykins> \o/
[23:01] <sarnold> hehe
[23:05] <Sparc343> *meant yum - cookies LOL


[07:38] <dreamhawk> Im reading that KDE 5.27.10 is released, me who are using 5.27.8 wonder, how do i upgrade?
 we are not sure. we have some issues with building KDE things on the launchpad builders at the moment (re @Omarvx211: when will we get kde plasma 5.27.10?)
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:14] <iomari891> Greetings,I have a 16 gig HP laptop and since I installed 23.10 I can't hardly open 2 apps without one of then closing. Usually Vivaldi browser will close but it can be any other open app as well. Sometimes the browser will close even when it's the only app open.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> iomari891, a 16GB drive sounds old and probly lacking in memory as well. Probly not good fit for the KDE/Plasma desktop
 i think it is 16 gig ram (re @IrcsomeBot: <BluesKaj> iomari891, a 16GB drive sounds old and probly lacking in memory as well. Probly not good fit for the KDE/Plasma desktop)
 isnt it?
[15:53] <user|73> My computer freezes when I try to connect it to Wifi
[15:54] <user|73> How can I fix it?
[15:57] <fallenmetalhero9> I am new to using linux mint
[17:17] <mmikowski> dreamhawk: updates depend on the Kubuntu Dev team. Your release might not get 5.27.10 for various reasons. I'm not privy to all the discussion, but I know they have held back on prior release because of unacceptable regressions.
[17:18] <mmikowski> I doubt regressions will be an issue this time however. 5.27.10 iirc looks like a pretty tame release. Now you can compile and package it for your system, but that's probably far to much effort for normal folks.
[22:07] <george> hello


[04:42] <mup> Bug #1456865 was opened: cisco c240 m3 system fails deployment following curtin installation and PXE local boot <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1456865>
[06:24] <mup> Bug #1456892 was opened: 500 error from juju status <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1456892>
[09:46] <mup> Bug #1456969 was opened: MAAS cli/API: missing option set use-fast-installer / use-debian-installer <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1456969>
[13:06] <harushimo> i'm looking at the documentation. I'm understanding the second step for clustering
[13:06] <harushimo> specifically on cluster master
[14:35] <harushimo> can anyone assist me on maas
[14:43] <roaksoax> harushimo: ask your question and if someone can help, they will reply!
[15:11] <harushimo> roaksoax: I'm having problems following this documentation to setup openstack
[15:12] <harushimo> its involved MAAS
[15:12] <harushimo> I'm struggling with step 3
[15:12] <harushimo> How does clustering setup work?
[15:12] <harushimo> I'm working off this documentation: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1457076 was opened: "make package" fails with bzr: 'ERROR: unknown command "bd"' error <MAAS:Triaged by rbanffy> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457076>
[16:19] <mup> Bug #1457107 was opened: Unable to allocate static IP due to address exhaustion (gomaasapi 503) <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457107>
[16:26] <Yabb0> having some issues with my nodes created by maas... they have the apt proxy defined as the maas server and apt works great. but when i try and do a juju bootstrap curl has no proxy defined and errors out. (I'm guessing by default there is no direct route out)
[16:26] <roaksoax> Yabb0: you need to set a proxy in juju too
[16:27] <Yabb0> how do i do that before i bootstrap it?
[16:27] <Yabb0> haven't found any documentation showing this as an issue when deploying ubuntu openstack
[16:29] <roaksoax> Yabb0: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11247399/
[16:30] <Yabb0> many many thanks :)
[16:37] <mup> Bug #1457107 changed: Unable to allocate static IP due to address exhaustion (gomaasapi 503) <oil> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457107>
[16:39] <Yabb0> one more question. when i do juju bootstrap can i force it to use a specific node?
[16:39] <Yabb0> roaksoax, can i force juju to bootstrap to a specific node?
[16:42] <roaksoax> Yabb0: https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/commands
[16:42] <roaksoax> Yabb0: check --to
[16:45] <Yabb0> roaksoax, thank you again. works perfectly
[16:49] <roaksoax> Yabb0: np! :
[19:26] <mup> Bug #1457191 was opened: Fresh install (from trunk or ppa:maas-maintainers/experimental) results in /var/log/maas/clusterd.log being owned by root <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457191>
[20:20] <mup> Bug #1457203 was opened: 1.8b6: Usability - Enter key in search field should not reset view and filter <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457203>
[20:23] <mup> Bug #1457203 changed: 1.8b6: Usability - Enter key in search field should not reset view and filter <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457203>
[20:29] <mup> Bug #1457203 was opened: 1.8b6: Usability - Enter key in search field should not reset view and filter <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457203>
[20:50] <mup> Bug #1457206 was opened: Clusters listing: <h2> title missing <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457206>
[23:35] <yabb0> ls
[23:35] <yabb0> sorry wrong screen


[04:50] <nothlit> troy_s: i talked to the creator of the dawn wallpapers, says he doesn't have any time to contribute artwork and is at least working on the german portal for ubuntu
[04:53] <troy_s> nothlit: Not a shocker.  Did he mention what he painted it in?
[05:41] <nothlit`alpha> troy_s: no, i asked him now though
[08:21] <lassegul_> troy_s: hi, are you there?
[08:23] <troy_s> lassegul_: Go for me.
[08:24] <nothlit> lassegul, lame nothlit update of the day: another orange and black sketch https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/hardy/thumbnails/
[08:27] <lassegul_> troy_s: are there any way to make a box that blurs everything under it in inkscape?
[08:27] <troy_s> lassegul_: Hrm... as in an effect layer...
[08:27] <lassegul_> troy_s: yes
[08:28] <troy_s> lassegul_: Technically, you should be able to accomplish something with clones for that.
[08:28] <nothlit> clone group clip blur?
[08:28] <troy_s> lassegul_: But the quickest trik I did was simply do a copy / mask / blur.
[08:28] <troy_s> nothlit: Yes... something like that should work.
[08:29] <lassegul_> hmm. thanks guys ill try.
[08:29] <troy_s> lassegul_: Clones are a little tricky to wrap your head around -- as being 'clones' only certain aspects are editable and therefore they behave like stubborn mules to some people.
[08:29] <nothlit> i would have just carved out the entire thing and blurred it, you can save the original in a hidden layer
[08:29] <troy_s> lassegul_: That said, if you master clones, they will unlock a whole other area of power.
[08:29] <lassegul_> nothlit: is it a waterfall?
[08:29] <troy_s> nothlit: That is what I did.
[08:29] <lassegul_> troy_s: hmm.
[08:29] <troy_s> nothlit: I did it on the gdm for Alive
[08:29] <nothlit> Alive?
[08:29] <nothlit> lassegul_: yes it is =p
[08:30] <lassegul_> nothlit: when you have orange water i think of unclean, sewer water.
[08:30] <troy_s> the quickie pill is much like what you are going for lassegul_ correct?  http://bp1.blogger.com/_95-BHeta7y8/RrTLz-8cWeI/AAAAAAAAALo/qUgBzLfyklk/s1600-h/Screenshot-Xnest-1.png
[08:31] <lassegul_> troy_s: yep.
[08:31] <troy_s> lassegul_: I believe that clones can get you there.  I haven't experimented with an 'adjustment layer' approach with clones... perhaps I will spend 15 mins on it.
[08:31] <nothlit> lassegul_: lol, will not be that sort of orange =p
[08:32] <nothlit> but thanks for that image ;p
[08:32] <lassegul_> nothlit: im sorry
[08:32] <nothlit> i was joking lol
[08:32] <troy_s> nothlit: You are a bit of a compiling guru yes?
[08:32] <nothlit> i guess i should make it less yellow to avoid the golden stream connotation as well
[08:32] <lassegul_> nothlit: i didnt mean to offend you, its just, water that isnt blue or clear often represents unclean water.
[08:32] <lassegul_> haha
[08:33] <troy_s> seriously... we can't really be in any channel labeled '*artwork*' and not be willing to offend.
[08:33] <nothlit> troy_s: a little, but i may not be able to help at all with ubuntu funniness
[08:33] <troy_s> all of this 'please be nice and courteous and kind and don't ruffle feathers' business rather detracts from about 1000 years of formal art patterns.  lol.
[08:34] <lassegul_> troy_s: ok im sorry
[08:34] <lassegul_> :D
[08:34] <troy_s> lassegul_: LOOOOOL
[08:34] <troy_s> nothlit: http://www.pastebin.ca/729164
[08:34] <troy_s> nothlit: I can't seem to see where it is bagging out... only perhaps in the order of compilation?
[08:36] <nothlit> checking packages now
[08:38] <troy_s> nothlit: I wonder if it is starting with a lower version of automake...
[08:38] <troy_s> nothlit: Grr...
[08:38] <nothlit> troy_s: last time i had an error like that the source upstream application was actually not installing the file to begin with though
[08:38] <nothlit> the cinelerra mailing list suggests trying ./configure --disable-mmx
[08:39] <nothlit> or maybe try disabling the motion effect from motion tracking?
[08:39] <troy_s> hrm... god you are a speedy little genius aren't you.
[08:39] <troy_s> it looks like it _might_ be related to mmx (which I always thought was avail on X86_64
[08:40] <nothlit> "If that doesn't work let us know where you your source code is from.
[08:40] <nothlit> Current svn (1016) source compiles for me without any flags.  But around
[08:40] <nothlit> 6 weeks ago installing from svn source was not amd64 friendly and
[08:40] <nothlit> required hacks."
[08:40] <nothlit> _MMA_: still working out tracking down license issues for each commit?
[08:40] <_MMA_> Ive given up for now.
[08:40] <_MMA_> Feels like a lost cause.
[08:41] <nothlit> does the originating branch have that issue as well?
[08:41] <_MMA_> Oh hell yeah.
[08:41] <_MMA_> The mainline doesnt care whatsoever about these issues.
[08:41] <nothlit> his code isn't GPLed?
[08:42] <_MMA_> *HIS* code is.
[08:42] <_MMA_> But its all the other code he uses.
[08:42] <_MMA_> Without mentioning.
[08:43] <nothlit> does the google code search help at all?
[08:43] <_MMA_> LGPL stuff which you can find looking over header of some files.
[08:43] <nothlit> i would just create a compiler tool specifically for cinelerra
[08:43] <_MMA_> Ive never tried.
[08:43] <troy_s> LGPL and MIT is fine
[08:43] <troy_s> the biggest wham bam is a rather ignorant approach to fonts
[08:43] <troy_s> not wanting to break backwardness.
[08:44] <troy_s> needless to say, it cracks me up about 'linux not ready for mmedia'  go out and get nuke or smoke if you want.
[08:44] <_MMA_> Any license that fits the DFSG is fine. Its the fact that he/they say _everything's_ GPL and its not.
[08:44] <troy_s> considering that nuke was used to create pirates 3, spider 3, etc. linux is very much ready for it... and smoke is uh... well... high end to say the least.
[08:45] <troy_s> lol
[08:46] <nothlit> ILM and DreamWorks use linux. not much more needs to be said.
[08:46] <troy_s> _MMA_: Problem is though, people are in the dark.  Nuke and Smoke are proprietary high end apps.  It should have gone away about six years ago.
[08:46] <nothlit> all the high end renderes run on linux, and things like maya and houdini do as well
[08:46] <_MMA_> I was talking about the Cinelerra thing.
[08:46] <nothlit> renderers*
[08:46] <troy_s> oh
[08:46] <troy_s> lol
[08:47] <troy_s> _MMA_: Has muzzol offered any news?
[08:47] <troy_s> _MMA_: It seems they are working towards fixing hte gpl issues slowly
[08:47] <_MMA_> No. And Ive asked several time.
[08:47] <_MMA_> *times
[08:47] <nothlit> pirates 3 drove me crazy while i was watching it thinking about how much budgeting they spent on effects
[08:47] <nothlit> its such a tight movie though
[08:47] <troy_s> nothlit: Say hello to nuke!
[08:48] <troy_s> nothlit: P3 is Nuke's entry as the reigning champ of compositors.  It effectively killed Shake with that move.
[08:49] <troy_s> _MMA_: Never knew that.
[08:49] <nothlit> water scenes for LOTR :)
[08:49] <nothlit> actually i think they used part of his code in pirates
[08:50] <nothlit> still can't believe they still needed actual water composited with the 3d for LOTR though
[08:50] <troy_s> nothlit: Nuke is one helluva tool.  NLEs best venture outside of FCPS is probably Smoke -- and that too has a x86 and x86_64 version for Linux.
[08:50] <_MMA_> troy_s: On the DVDs there's couple min thing about how he and the director can talk on a technical level the director wasnt used to.
[08:54] <_MMA_> troy_s: Do you know which distros are use under Nuke and Smoke?
[08:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: Nuke 32 works on Ubuntu out of box.
[08:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: I haven't got my hands on the 64 bit but I assume it works fine.
[08:55] <nothlit> i'm finding a lot of those sorts of apps give you debs or src packages that needs old versions of gcc
[08:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: The Foundry recently bought Nuke -- it is easily the best compositor out there.  Shake was great until Apple purchased them and started driving it  into the ground.
[08:55] <_MMA_> I meant specifically the production studios.
[08:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: They will turn Shake into a prosumer gongshow.
[08:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: Oh most studios are _probably_ running F
[08:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: I know Technicolour runs F (Well RHEL)
[08:56] <_MMA_> Ahh.. Figured that or Debian.
[08:56] <nothlit> no gentoo deployments with a binary package server?
[08:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: All about reputation for them and the paid support.  Ubuntu might get there if they can show a little more care about security.
[08:57] <troy_s> _MMA_: Unfortunately, all the admins I know in those studio situations heard about the 'root password' sitting in a plaintext file and pretty much wrote Ubuntu off.    That was just a blunder.  A complete blunder.
[08:59] <nothlit> root password?
[09:00] <nothlit> its disabled and empty now, but should still have been salted before
[09:00] <troy_s> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/13/0525254
[09:01] <nothlit> they're still not that concerned tbh, i saw a ticket filed by a <loco head> asking for ssl on logins for their drupal and moin
[09:02] <nothlit> this is after the dugg breakins of course
[09:02] <troy_s> nothlit: Agree 100%
[09:03] <kristjan_> can we get new crystal icons for kubuntu gutsy? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Crystal+Project?content=60475
[09:03] <troy_s> nothlit: It is a cavalier march to becoming the Windows of Linux.
[09:05] <troy_s> Everaldo's new set kill all the other icons out there really.
[09:05] <troy_s> In that style.
[09:05] <troy_s> (hell in any style)
[09:06] <nothlit> kristjan_: if kwwii wants to get it in, we're only a few days to the RC though
[09:10] <nothlit> troy_s: they can't, linspire has that, and with their basing on ubuntu, they'll always be ahead
[09:10] <troy_s> nothlit: ?
[09:10] <troy_s> nothlit: Security wise?
[09:12] <nothlit> troy_s: they just added nonroot as default, and only to freespire
[09:12] <nothlit> troy_s: they can't do it to their paying customers who "expect it"
[09:12] <troy_s> nothlit: What are you talking about specifically?
[09:12] <nothlit> their sudo is passwordless still in linspire too iirc
[09:12] <troy_s> nothlit: Sorry I am completely in the dark on the last few lines.
[09:13] <nothlit> linspire, (ie the paid version) is still administrator as default
[09:13] <nothlit> thats all you need to know =p
[09:13] <troy_s> nothlit: Not so much just that -- look at the whole.    Idiots.  98% of the security problems that amassed through windows started strictly because of admin rights.
[09:14] <nothlit> kristjan_: its called a continuation of a different conversation
[09:14] <troy_s> kristjan_: Not all that happens here is about KDE icons.  :)
[09:14] <troy_s> kristjan_: It isn't in our hands.  You are also probably about 4 months late.
[09:14] <nothlit> i don't like the idea of every ubuntu machine out there available for ssh bruteforcing
[09:15] <troy_s> nothlit: True enough, but a basic IPtables clause would shatter that quite quickly.
[09:15] <nothlit> iptables can only block ips rather than domains, theres a variety of ssh bruteforcers that respond or use the hosts files
[09:16] <troy_s> nothlit: Needless to say, security should be high up the map.
[09:16] <nothlit> but it still opens up a whole bunch more machines for 0day
[09:16] <nothlit> maybe we should write a spec for this including security lol
[09:18] <_MMA_> troy_s: So apparently I can use "difference" or "exclusion" through multiple objects in inkscape?
[09:19] <_MMA_> gah
[09:19] <_MMA_> s/can/cant
[09:19] <_MMA_> Makes all the difference. ;)
[09:19] <troy_s> Wholly CRAP
[09:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: I got Cinelerra up!
[09:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: Unbelieveable.
[09:19] <_MMA_> w00t
[09:19] <thorwil> _MMA_: try grouping?
[09:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: Only BASE objects
[09:19] <_MMA_> thorwil: They are. Doesnt work.
[09:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: If the object is for example, a font, you will need to spline it.
[09:20] <troy_s> _MMA_: All boolean math works only on root objects.
[09:20] <_MMA_> troy_s: Yeah. thats the error I get.
[09:20] <nothlit> path booleans only work on paths :P
[09:20] <troy_s> _MMA_: (well that is an oversimplification -- it works on Rects etc.)
[09:20] <troy_s> nothlit: Well yeah.  :)
[09:20] <troy_s> lol
[09:20] <troy_s> _MMA_: Anyways, the bottom line i that the paths all need to be paths :)
[09:20] <nothlit> cinelerra works fine straight from the pkgbuild in arch lol, and i don't even use it
[09:20] <nothlit> =p
[09:20] <troy_s> nothlit: ?
[09:21] <troy_s> nothlit: Good luck on amd64
[09:21] <troy_s> nothlit: This is the FIRST time I have had it up on my 64 bit boxen.
[09:21] <thorwil> _MMA_: ah right. i remember i worked around that once by copying my objects and applying the op on pairs ...
[09:21] <_MMA_> troy_s: So how to I make grouped objects a root object?
[09:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: You will need to make sure that your objects are all simple paths.  This might be done by looking to the obvious 'oopsies' like text.
[09:22] <nothlit> troy_s: has 64bit specific stuff built in =p
[09:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: And converting to a path.  That is generally the breaker.
[09:22] <troy_s> nothlit: Well 64 bit is always a bit more effort.
[09:22] <nothlit> thats why pkgbuilds have maintainers lol
[09:23] <_MMA_> troy_s: You can guess Im working with that set I showed you last night. I "strokes" objects all over the place.
[09:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: I'm impressed!
[09:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: Erk... sorry set?
[09:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: All should be good -- if you have a stroke set though it will inherently change when you do a boolean on a path.
[09:23] <_MMA_> So Im just trying to "cut" through the grouped objects that make the icon.
[09:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: Can you show me the exact case?
[09:24] <troy_s> _MMA_: And I can resolve it for you quite quickly.
[09:24] <_MMA_> http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1281
[09:24] <troy_s> I need more info _MMA_ which one?
[09:24] <nothlit> troy_s: http://cvs.archlinux.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/multimedia/cinelerra-cv/PKGBUILD?rev=1.3&cvsroot=AUR&only_with_tag=CURRENT&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup  http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cinelerra-svn/cinelerra-svn/PKGBUILD :)
[09:25] <_MMA_> troy_s: Well thats the set and the specific one really doesnt matter. Im just playing with the "computer" image.
[09:25] <troy_s> _MMA_: Ok... dcc me the actual svg you are trying to boolean?
[09:25] <troy_s> _MMA_: I might be able to diagnose the exact starting problem and then you will be better off down the road.
[09:26] <troy_s> _MMA_: Did you get my message about an art director?
[09:26] <_MMA_> Yes.
[09:26] <troy_s> _MMA_: He is a friend of mine currently doing DIY work for a few bands.
[09:26] <_MMA_> Do yo uhave a link to his work?
[09:26] <troy_s> _MMA_: He has about 15 years as art director with Electronic Arts and a few other companies.
[09:26] <troy_s> _MMA_: He doesn't have anything online I believe.  Further, most of his 'reel' is found in game.
[09:27] <_MMA_> troy_s: I cant DCC you. Never works for me.
[09:27] <troy_s> _MMA_: Porto problems.  Email?
[09:28] <_MMA_> Just DL that set.
[09:28] <_MMA_> Take yo uless time than for me to do a email.
[09:31] <troy_s> _MMA_: Hold then.
[09:31] <nothlit> _MMA_: uhh, that set has 47mb worth of flat svgs?!?
[09:31] <nothlit> 27*
[09:32] <_MMA_> 15
[09:32] <_MMA_> 15.4 actually.
[09:32] <_MMA_> 1500 icons.
[09:34] <nothlit> thats the compressed tar size lol
[09:41] <_MMA_> troy_s: re: Art friend. Sure.  Sure. See if he's interested and he and I can chat.
[09:42] <nothlit> what? brownout?
[09:43] <troy_s> _MMA_: He said he might be.  I guess it would ultimately depend on how you guys mesh.
[09:43] <troy_s> nothlit: And outout.
[09:43] <troy_s> lol
[09:43] <_MMA_> troy_s: Sure.
[09:44] <troy_s> _MMA_: Ok what one?
[09:44] <_MMA_> gnome-fs-client
[09:45] <troy_s> YIKES NO SYMLINKS!
[09:45] <_MMA_> Looks like a monitor.
[09:45] <troy_s> no wonder that bloody thing is so huge.
[09:45] <troy_s> _MMA_: Path?
[09:45] <_MMA_> troy_s: I have Andrew converting it to Tango naming speck and cleaning it up now. ;)
[09:46] <troy_s> _MMA_: Many of those shapes need to be booleaned down to a simple look ala lith -- which I assume is what you are doing.
[09:46] <_MMA_> troy_s: its in filesystems but really doesnt matter which one you use.
[09:46] <troy_s> _MMA_: Ok got it... and you are boolean what?
[09:47] <troy_s> _MMA_: So every basic shape in there works fine for a boolean.  So the boolean problem is with your end regarding the object you are trying to subtract etc...
[09:47] <_MMA_> http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/decay_textures.svg
[09:48] <_MMA_> So I grouped all the objects in the .svg.
[09:48] <troy_s> _MMA_: Hey those look familiar :)
[09:48] <_MMA_> Then tried to use the .svg I just linked to to "cut through" the icon.
[09:48] <_MMA_> ;)
[09:49] <troy_s> _MMA_: Ahh... so take whatever elements you want to bool
[09:49] <_MMA_> And remember this is all testing. Im just trying to get a method down for doing this.
[09:49] <troy_s> _MMA_: And duplicate them
[09:49] <troy_s> _MMA_: Then arrange the new copies as you like
[09:49] <troy_s> _MMA_: And do a ctrl shift + on them
[09:49] <troy_s> _MMA_: That will be a pure union and work fine for subtractions.
[09:50] <troy_s> _MMA_: At some point the complexity level will prohibit bools.
[09:50] <troy_s> _MMA_: You will need to subdivide and conquer...
[09:52] <_MMA_> See. Same error. What option from the "Path" menu should I choose.
[09:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: I would like to be able to tell you the internal logic of Inkscape re that, but I don't know what it is exactly -- and it changes pretty much weekly on the complexity of the bools.
[09:52] <troy_s> when i first started in on the http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/troy.sobotka/ImageDump/photo#5068722476331584498 portrait, it was far more limited in bools.
[09:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: Hrm... so you ungrouped?
[09:53] <troy_s> _MMA_: Pick two of the ungrouped decays, and union them.
[09:53] <troy_s> ala ctrl shift +
[09:53] <troy_s> that should give you the bounding box indication that it is now a union
[09:54] <_MMA_> I keep getting this "ONE of the objects in not a path." error.
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: From that decay svg?!
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: There are only three paths on the original icon.
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: And about 8 different paths worth in the decay
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: If you do a single, it should work.  Perhaps one of them is a subgrouping?
[09:55] <_MMA_> On either decay or the icon.
[09:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: Decay
[09:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: Icon is all good.
[09:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: I booleaned every element.
[09:56] <_MMA_> done
[09:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: Did you find the problem entity?
[09:57] <troy_s> thorwil appears to be having connection problems.
[09:57] <_MMA_> I dont think I can do what Im thinking.
[09:57] <troy_s> _MMA_: Save the svg as you have it now
[09:57] <troy_s> _MMA_: And email it to me.
[09:57] <troy_s> _MMA_: You most certainly can do what you want.
[09:58] <troy_s> _MMA_: Give me the snapshot, and then talk me through what you are attempting.
[09:58] <_MMA_> Im unsure because I want to also cut through a "stroke".
[09:59] <_MMA_> http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/gnome-fs-client.svg
[10:02] <troy_s> _MMA_: Hold please.
[10:02] <_MMA_> np
[10:03] <troy_s> _MMA_: Ok now specifically, talk me through it.
[10:03] <troy_s> _MMA_: First, if you want the stroke to be cut cleanly -- as in use the actual shape of the stroke, you will need to convert the stroke to a path as well.
[10:04] <troy_s> _MMA_: Out of the gate, your basic monitor is grouped -- so that is a starting problem.
[10:04] <troy_s> _MMA_: Ungroup the monitor into its discreet elements.
[10:04] <_MMA_> See. Thats what I was trying to do.
[10:05] <_MMA_> done
[10:05] <troy_s> _MMA_: Then you will need to convert the stroke to path via the "Edit nodes" tool (2nd down on left) and click the 2nd to last toolbar icon from the top.
[10:05] <troy_s> _MMA_: Obviously when you convert strokes to paths, you lose the two tone colours as now each is a path.
[10:06] <troy_s> _MMA_: Net result == rethink how the object sits on the page - as it is now a 'shape' that is the border and a 'shape' that will be the background.
[10:06] <_MMA_> Crap. I needed a simple way to do thi.   Anyways, then path them and use a basic shape as the bg to keep opaque.
[10:07] <nothlit> lol, nonsimple is to duplicate everything on a seperate layer
[10:07] <_MMA_> What you propose is more work than I want to put into it.
[10:07] <troy_s> _MMA_: Then distress accordingly.
[10:07] <nothlit> unstroke everything on the first
[10:07] <troy_s> _MMA_: Actually no, I would be unioning the piss out of those images -- the strokes are clunky as hell.
[10:08] <nothlit> and stroke to path everything on the second
[10:08] <_MMA_> Still, too much work.
[10:09] <troy_s> _MMA_: You can't get a good product and do no work.
[10:10] <_MMA_> Just think about going through 1500 icons. Thats a shitload of work.
[10:10] <troy_s> _MMA_: Remember the holy trinity of "Time" "Money" and "Quality" -- pick your two.
[10:10] <nothlit> _MMA_: or get someone to script it as a python effect for you
[10:10] <troy_s> _MMA_: If you you want "Quality" without "Money" it will be time.
[10:11] <nothlit> or batch render and then batch process the different versions with gimp
[10:11] <_MMA_> I could also just export them to hires .png and do it that way.
[10:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: Honestly, with someone knowing what they are doing, its relatively quick.
[10:14] <troy_s> _MMA_: We managed to convert all the tango SVGs to the Flux palette in about (well me) 2 hours.
[10:14] <troy_s> _MMA_: It isn't that huge a deal.
[10:15] <_MMA_> troy_s: Well Ill look into it. As Im not seeing a simple way to do this Im just uneasy about asking someone to do the work.
[10:16] <_MMA_> 1500 icons is ALOT if icons.
[10:16] <troy_s> _MMA_: It will require work. Someone.
[10:16] <troy_s> _MMA_: And there is no way in hell that there is 1500 icons.
[10:16] <_MMA_> Though with simlinks I think it can be widdled down.
[10:16] <troy_s> _MMA_: MOST of those in that package are silly duplicates.
[10:16] <troy_s> _MMA_: There simply isn't that many.  That said, the person doing the work will need to know Inkscape or get to know it rapidly.
[10:18] <_MMA_> Well I get 1183 objects. So in any case there's over 1000. And I have andrew cleaning it up like I said. Once that is done Ill go from there.
[10:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yeah... look at Tango's install and you get a better idea.  It is a far more top shelf layout with exactly the proper quantities.
[10:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: There aren't that many.
[10:30] <_MMA_> troy_s: Without stroke and a quicky subtraction job.
[10:32] <_MMA_> http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/rect628test.png
[10:33] <_MMA_> With stroke. http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/rect628test2.png
[10:34] <_MMA_> Im gonna have to do this .svg.
[10:34] <_MMA_> gah. gotta run.
[10:34] <_MMA_> bbl
[10:34] <nothlit> this is what i got if you don't mind only rendering it out--the clean svg way will take longer https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/gnome-fs-directory.png
[10:34] <nothlit> i did it that way too if you want to try though
[10:36] <_MMA_> Yeah.
[10:36] <_MMA_> .svg is the bitch.
[10:36] <_MMA_> Oh well. Ill keep tinkering.
[10:50] <nothlit> _MMA_: did you do that in gimp without feathering/aliasing or something?
[10:56] <_MMA_> Yeah. Damn quick.
[10:56] <Viper550> I noticed that they added some new styles for Clearlooks in recent versions
[10:57] <nothlit> _MMA_: if you want i'll give you the inkscape raster only method
[10:58] <_MMA_> Naa... Its ok.
[10:59] <Viper550> anyone? remember me?
[10:59] <nothlit> its about 3 steps minus the dirt import and ungrouping =p
[11:00] <nothlit> wait, 4, but it depends on what colour the import was to begin with
[11:00] <nothlit> Viper550: dunno anything about that sorry
[11:01] <Viper550> from what I hear, the ClearLooks engine has a dedicated Gloss style now
[11:16] <troy_s> Viper550: Yes, some remember you.  No, not many people care.
[11:17] <Viper550> Well, anyway, I have noticed since the last time I've played with Gnome, that ClearLooks has gloss now, we could theoretically use it as the power for the default theme instead of ubuntulookks
[11:17] <_MMA_> gloss FTW!!!
[11:17] <troy_s> Viper550: Sure.  Gloss is about oh circa 1997.
[11:18] <Viper550> well, Clearlooks has a gloss STYLE now you can use
[11:18] <troy_s> Viper550: Great idea.   You hurt my feelings. :(
[11:19] <troy_s> Viper550: You might also want to consider packing in some "Warrant" or "Def Leppard" as the default sound splash for it too.
[11:19] <_MMA_> \m/
[11:20] <troy_s> lol
[11:20] <_MMA_> Or like Im friggin' watchin' Max Headroom. :)
[11:21] <troy_s> lol
[11:22] <_MMA_> ;)
[11:22] <KidProQuo> Unrelated to the current gloss/ colour discussion... does anyone know why the icons in my splash screen (the one between login and desktop) look faded?
[11:23] <KidProQuo> almost like they're behind a semi-transparent white layer?
[11:24] <_MMA_> KidProQuo: In Feisty?
[11:24] <KidProQuo> yup
[11:25] <_MMA_> Hmm... Never noticed. Then again I havnt used the Ubuntu image in a while.
[11:25] <troy_s> KidProQuo: Ignore that
[11:25] <troy_s> KidProQuo: It's gone in Gutsy
[11:26] <troy_s> KidProQuo: Had you had a faster box or less of a gag between video, you would have seen a fade on the icons.
[11:26] <KidProQuo> ok, I was just working on some concepts for hardy and noticed it
[11:27] <troy_s> KidProQuo: The logon splash is done like dinner.
[11:27] <troy_s> KidProQuo: Any snaps of what you are thinking?
[11:27] <KidProQuo> I'll chuck them online now. Give me 2 min
[11:28] <_MMA_> ***Viper550 takes his glossy toys and goes home.
[11:33] <troy_s> LOL
[11:33] <troy_s> KidProQuo: Thanks a million
[11:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: Viper has a long history with buntu.
[11:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: Long.
[11:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: Long.
[11:34] <_MMA_> :)
[11:34] <_MMA_> Any of it good?
[11:34] <_MMA_> I do know his name.
[11:35] <KidProQuo> http://kpqhardyheron.googlepages.com/hardyheronideas
[11:36] <_MMA_> Cool.
[11:36] <KidProQuo> No gloss in sight you'll be happy to know
[11:36] <_MMA_> The brown might have to go.
[11:36] <_MMA_> As well as the Gnome-Splash in general.
[11:37] <KidProQuo> why might the brown have to go? for any specific part?
[11:37] <_MMA_> Not in the palette for Hardy.
[11:38] <KidProQuo> really? what is the palette for hardy based on?
[11:38] <_MMA_> Its not quite final but Black/Orange will be prominent sounds like.
[11:39] <Skiessi> I don't like the window borders :P
[11:39] <Skiessi> in that "desktop idea 1"
[11:40] <KidProQuo> skiessi: the squareness?
[11:40] <Skiessi> yeah
[11:40] <troy_s> Ok... before we go into too much more 'Ugly' 'Isn'tUsable' and all the other wonderful random bot comments...
[11:40] <troy_s> Skiessi: What about the work don't you like.
[11:41] <troy_s> (the reason I have stuck on it is largely that we as a community REALLY need to amp up our analysis of work and the comments that come out.  I don't mind the fact that someone doesn't like something -- moreso _why_ they don't like something is probably more relevant.)
[11:41] <KidProQuo> Skiessi: I just got sick of everything being round and glossy, thought I'd do something a bit different to get some discussion going
[11:42] <troy_s> KidProQuo: If you manage to develop a full theme, you will probably find a place for it in the Community package (or at least the hope-to-manifest community package)
[11:42] <Skiessi> o_o ok, I prefer the round ones
[11:42] <Skiessi> cya
[11:44] <nothlit> theres an Automatic Artwork builder with full instructions on the wiki if you want to have it in your own package as well
[11:45] <nothlit> i should put links to that in the resources page actually
[11:45] <_MMA_> Yeah. Can you post that here? I forgot it myself.
[11:47] <nothlit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticArtworkBuilderInstructions
[11:48] <troy_s> LOL
[11:48] <troy_s> oh man
[11:48] <_MMA_> Wow. That hasnt been touched since June. :)
[11:51] <KidProQuo> Anyway, I should probably explain some of the underlying concepts of that theme idea...
[11:52] <troy_s> KidProQuo: People working on anything are valuable.
[11:52] <KidProQuo> I wanted to use mainly flat colours with transparency to give the texture of the popular lion wallpaper a bit of space to show its richness
[11:54] <KidProQuo> The choice of a well defined border is for usability; so your eye has a definite border between different sets of info on the screen
[11:56] <KidProQuo> And the squareness of the borders was just to take it to the other extreme of what a lot of other people seemed to be doing for themes. I'd probably blunt them a bit in the final one
[11:59] <troy_s> KidProQuo: is that gion?
[11:59] <KidProQuo> gion?
[11:59] <troy_s> KidProQuo: Icons
[12:00] <KidProQuo> nope, nouveXT 1.6
[12:00] <troy_s> Hrm... is that in the repos KidProQuo ?
[12:01] <troy_s> It looks tastier than tango for certain
[12:01] <KidProQuo> It's on gnome-look.org; GPL but not SVG version available.
[12:02] <nothlit> !find nuov
[12:02] <ubotu> Found: gnome-icon-theme-nuovo, kde-icons-nuovext
[12:05] <KidProQuo> oh, and in that mockup the menubar is still just a concept.    I offered $100 dollars to get a kernel issue worked out the other day.
[12:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: 100$?  I can't imagine anyone bit.
[12:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: Am I wrong?
[12:13] <_MMA_> No it got fixed. ;)
[12:13] <_MMA_> Didnt take the money though.
[12:14] <_MMA_> It almost sunk the -rt kernel but I scrambled and got it done.
[12:14] <nothlit> troy_s: not a foss, prolly just those freelance coding sites
[12:14] <nothlit> ubuntu has its own bounty page
[12:14] <nothlit> as do many other projects
[12:15] <troy_s> it really needs to get into launchpad or some centralized repo
[12:16] <_MMA_> grr...
[12:16] <KidProQuo> I agree, and they need to add the ability to do collective bounties.
[12:17] <nothlit> oh, guess there is :) https://www.bountysource.com/project/list
[12:17] <nothlit> troy_s: ^
[12:20] <KidProQuo> I should probably head to work. Thanks for the feedback
[12:20] <nothlit> ubuntu is in there too
[12:22] <nothlit> nice.. its filled with 0 dollar bounties
[12:22] <_MMA_> troy_s: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardyIncoming/Icons Ill get more info up soon.
[12:25] <_MMA_> troy_s: And as I look at Litho more, there's 2 things going on there. There is a subtle white overlay then the subtraction or holes/whatever.


[06:59] <infinity> jbailey : (from the gcc-4.0/amd64 build log) lib32z1-dev: Depends: libc6-dev-i386 but it is not installable
[06:59] <infinity> jbailey : This clearly seems Not Good.
[07:46] <doko> infinity: fixed in zlib_1.2.3-3ubuntu4
[07:53] <infinity> doko : Danke.


[06:22] <vedic> I have added ppa for my ubuntu 10.04. How to install bzr 2.5.1 the latest stable release?
[21:51] <lduros> hi, if I want to revert a file to the way it was in a previous revision, how can I do that? I only know how to revert everything to a previous revision
[21:53] <lduros> hmm, looks like giving a file to it will only revert the given file :-)


[02:39] <mxb> how to change max open files in ubuntun 18.0
[03:00] <qwertyceclinux> /q
[03:00] <qwertyceclinux> /j #archlinux-cn
[03:00] <qwertyceclinux> /part
[03:01] <qwertyceclinux> /who
[03:01] <qwertyceclinux> /who
[03:01] <qwertyceclinux> /QHO
[03:01] <qwertyceclinux> /WHO
[03:17] <nailuoGG> 大家好呀
[03:17] <ubrl> nailuoGG:点点点.  11:15
[03:31] <peet2> 好
[08:52] <mxb> how to change open files in ubuntu
[08:53] <mxb> i need change 'ulimt -Sn=1024' to 'ulimit -Sn=64000'
[10:15] <Donch> how to use this?
[10:16] <Donch> Hello? any body here
[10:17] <Donch> part