[12:19] <DSG> hi
[12:58] <j_baer> I'm new to launchpad, is there a good learning resource available?
[01:00] <DSG> hello
[01:01] <j_baer> hello ...
[01:01] <DSG> I'm downloading ubuntu
[01:02] <j_baer> That's great how is it going?
[01:02] <DSG> good
[01:03] <DSG> but
[01:03] <DSG> i don't know how install it
[01:03] <j_baer> The installation is really easy from the live CD.
[01:04] <DSG> i ordered
[01:04] <j_baer> When the download is complete, burn the ISO to CD and then boot.
[01:05] <j_baer> I'm sorry, you orderd ...
[01:05] <DSG> sorry i don't speak much english
[01:06] <j_baer> Ok, how may I help u ?
[01:07] <DSG> i downloaded gentoo and i burned but don't make nothing
[01:07] <j_baer> I'm not familiar with Gentoo ...
[01:08] <DSG> gentoo is a linux distributor
[01:09] <DSG> the readme say burn the iso
[01:09] <DSG> and i do it
[01:10] <DSG> but don't make nothing
[01:10] <j_baer> Is the desktop KDE?
[01:10] <DSG> yes
[01:11] <j_baer> Did you use K3B?
[01:11] <DSG> no
[01:12] <DSG> what is K3B ??
[01:12] <j_baer> K3B is the CD burning program for KDE.
[01:13] <DSG> i use nero
[01:16] <j_baer> You should be able to right click the ISO file and be presented with "Burn To CD" option.
[01:17] <DSG> I ordered ubuntu
[01:18] <DSG> i ordered ubuntu in ubuntu.com
[01:21] <DSG> hellooooooooooooooo
[01:26] <DSG> some motherfucker here ??????
[05:06] <jamesh> stub: I guess I'd need another apache redirection to handle librarian.demo.launchpad.net
[05:08] <stub> Ahh... yes
[05:08] <stub> Shall I RT it?
[05:08] <stub> Or we can just run with http://carbon.ubuntu.com:666
[05:11] <jamesh> would that get through the data centre firewall?
[05:11] <stub> Maybe ;)
[05:12] <stub> I can't remember if we are using Librarian SSL yet
[05:12] <stub> What port are you running the librarian on? I'll RT it anyway.
[05:13] <jamesh> 8000 (same as production)
[05:14] <jamesh> cron jobs on chinstrap seem to have borked again
[05:25] <jamesh> lifeless: no cron jobs on chinstrap again, so rocketfuel-built isn't being updated
[05:26] <lifeless> jamesh: care to RT it flagged as urgent ?
[05:26] <jamesh> lifeless: I sent a mail in reply to my previous RT request.  Would it be better to file another?
[05:27] <lifeless> I would file a new one, as the old would have been closed.
[05:27] <jamesh> fair enough
[05:29] <stub> I think RT is down again :-(
[05:29] <jamesh> looks like chinstrap was restarted over the weekend, which is probably related
[05:31] <lifeless> elmo: perchance you are around ? ^^
[05:32] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[05:34] <jamesh> lifeless: okay.  sent anotherone
[05:40] <mpt> Wow, 68412 items in the import queue?
[05:40] <mpt> (for Rosetta)
[08:41] <SteveA> morning
[08:41] <SteveA> lifeless: pqm processed a request of mine from last night.  the merge went through, but I received no "success" message.
[08:43] <lifeless> SteveA: I have no idea why.
[08:43] <lifeless> SteveA: probably dc glitches - there was a mail outage @ubuntu.com in some manner
[09:24] <jamesh> stub: cool.  That'll include the branch scanner fixes (I guess there is no point in cherry picking them now)
[09:48] <carlos> morning
[09:49] <carlos> stub: hi, did you migrate POSubmission duplicates ?
[09:50] <stub> carlos: no
[09:53] <carlos> any chance to get that done today or tomorrow?
[09:53] <stub> Yes. Tomorrow definitely. Hopefully this evening.
[09:58] <carlos> ok, thanks
[10:06] <SteveA> lifeless: the "success" mail came through eventually
[10:22] <SteveA> jamesh: hi
[10:22] <jamesh> hi SteveA
[10:22] <SteveA> jamesh: great work on the python bug imports.
[10:22] <SteveA> I'd like you to put the zope specs on the same server
[10:22] <jamesh> good idea
[10:23] <SteveA> we can add the relevant zope people to the mail whitelist too
[10:23] <jamesh> we'll need to set up the relevant cron jobs for the demo server
[10:24] <jamesh> and I guess another POP box if we want the incomming email interface to function
[10:35] <SteveA> right
[10:35] <SteveA> stub: what have you asked the admins to set up so far for the demo server?
[10:35] <stub> outstanding or everything?
[10:35] <stub> I forgot about the POP box
[10:35] <stub> rt13853, rt14018, rt14265
[10:35] <jamesh> I only just thought of the POP box now
[10:36] <stub> plus accounts for jamesh and sudo access, for which I've lost the rt job numbers
[10:38] <SteveA> we have two weeks left for the challenge, but it would be good to get this running very soon, so that we can get feedback from the tech committee
[10:38] <SteveA> and have an opportunity to respond to it
[10:38] <SteveA> before the deadline
[10:41] <jamesh> SteveA: okay.  So we need to decide which bits are necessary for announcing our entry
[10:41] <jamesh> SteveA: some of these things could be done after the entry (like the keyword stuff): we just need to give an approximate timeframe
[10:41] <SteveA> yes
[10:42] <SteveA> although, we can't expect them to take keywords into account if they aren't available to see before the deadline
[10:44] <jamesh> Sure.  Are we in a position to get all this stuff done by the deadline?
[10:48] <SteveA> the minimum is to get stuff running on the demo server without keywords
[10:49] <SteveA> we should talk with Znarl about how this can be fitted into the current sysadmin work
[10:52] <stub> The admins seem fine on this - the only outstanding requests are the email whitelist and the librarian redirect (which was only requested today).
[10:52] <SteveA> cool
[10:56] <SteveA> stub: there's something odd going on on staging with the spec dependency trees.  I'm looking into it.  The images are rendered, but not included in a page.
[11:00] <SteveA> stub: just spoke to mark, and that' show it is meant to work
[11:02] <stub> Hmm
[11:11] <jamesh> https://blueprint.staging.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ue-partitioning-tool <- the graph seems to look okay here
[11:11] <SteveA> jamesh: yep.  I was confused becuase a  spec with no dependencies/blockers doesn't have a graph
[11:12] <SteveA> So, I saw it, and thought "oh, the graphs aren't rendering"
[11:19] <jamesh> might be worth doing some tweaking for graphs like https://blueprint.staging.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-express
[11:21] <SteveA> yes
[11:21] <SteveA> two things are happening about that
[11:22] <SteveA> 1. the nodes will be getting smaller with the latest RF, as the node name will be on one line, and the (assignee) on the next
[11:22] <SteveA> 2. currently with PQM is a patch to add a page to give you the DOT output of the spec graph, so we can take that and experiment doing constraints / partial layouts to try and improve graphs we see in production
[11:25] <jamesh> if we do end up with performance issues with the graphs, a good approach would be to look at caching the results based on a hash of the dot input file (since identical input should result in identical output)
[11:26] <jamesh> which would probably be faster than having a long running daemon
[11:31] <SteveA> jamesh: that would work, as I was quite careful to give predictably sorted output, for writing the tests
[11:35] <carlos> danilos: hi, around?
[11:43] <mpt> SteveA, if the diagrams only ever show one level of dependency in each direction, it would be safer to arrange the levels horizontally rather than vertically
[11:44] <mpt> since there wouldn't be more than three of them
[11:45] <SteveA> they don't show only one level
[11:45] <SteveA> are you proposing that they should?
[11:45] <mpt> no, but the two I've seen so far do
[11:46] <SteveA> jordi: ping
[11:47] <mpt> yay, timeout
[11:48] <SteveA> mpt: that's kind of opaque.  is it an interseting timeout?
[11:50] <mpt> Only in the sense that it's the first two timeouts I've seen in several months
[11:50] <mpt> but it's on staging, so maybe matsubara hasn't tweaked the limit yet
[11:51] <mpt> matsubara's work has been paying off
[11:51] <danilos> carlos: yeah, back in a min again
[12:04] <lifeless> spiv: jamesh: SteveA: bzr-launchpad meeting time
[12:11] <jamesh> okay
[12:12] <stub> mpt: matsubara has tweaked the timeout
[12:13] <stub> Is there a process lock ensuring only one graph renders at a time? It might take a long time to render a graph for a spec with a more complex dependency tree.
[12:13] <SteveA> there is no lock
[12:14] <SteveA> what would be the point?
[12:17] <SteveA> stub: I'd like to get staging updated to RF latest rev
[12:17] <SteveA> any objection?
[12:17] <stub> Nope
[12:18] <SteveA> is there a script to run?
[12:25] <stub> It is triggered from Jubany normally. Instructions are on the wiki...
[12:26] <stub> https://launchpad.canonical.com/StagingServerUpdate
[12:39] <spiv> Hmm, there's a /people/$name/+branchlisting at the moment (similar to /product/$name/+branchlisting), but no links to it.
[12:39] <spiv> I'm tempted to remove it entirely.
[12:40] <lifeless> spiv: no links ?
[12:40] <doko> spiv: do you know, if the patch for 48301 is already in the 2.4 branch?
[12:40] <lifeless> spiv: not even from an authored branch or what have you ?
[12:41] <spiv> lifeless: not that I can find.
[12:41] <jamesh> spiv: seems to have been superceded by /people/$name/+branches
[12:41] <lifeless> spiv: also, is it a compact list, or a details list ?
[12:41] <spiv> doko: not afaik
[12:41] <spiv> lifeless: it's the details list.
[12:41] <spiv> lifeless: what you get if you click "Listing View" from /product/$name/+branches
[12:41] <spiv> Except there's no "Listing View" link from /people/$name/+branches.
[12:42] <spiv> jamesh: Yeah, I guess so.
[12:43] <spiv> Anyway, I noticed this while updating pagetests/branches to use new-style page tests.
[12:43] <spiv> (while fixing those tests for ddaa's branch-ui changes)
[12:43] <spiv> Any objections to me just removing that?
[12:44] <spiv> Didn't think so ;)
[12:55] <lifeless> review meeting in 5
[12:56] <lifeless> spiv: I'd rather add it as a Listing View link :)
[12:56] <lifeless> spiv: predictability ;)
[12:56] <spiv> lifeless: Hmm.
[12:56] <lifeless> or remove the other. 6/1 1/2 of the other
[12:56] <spiv> lifeless: And then do the same for authored, registered, and subscribed branches?
[12:57] <spiv> So have a +authoredbranchlisting, etc?
[12:57] <lifeless> noidea
[12:57] <lifeless> seems like something to be datadriven to me
[12:57] <spiv> :)
[12:57] <spiv> Perhaps.
[12:57] <lifeless> +branchlisting?show=authored
[12:57] <spiv> At the moment, we have +authoredbranches, etc, though.
[12:58] <lifeless> yup
[12:58] <jamesh> lifeless: it is the same view class and page template behind those different branch listing pages
[12:58] <lifeless> jamesh: I do realise that
[12:58] <lifeless> :)
[12:58] <spiv> I mainly just want to land David's branch-ui branch.
[12:58] <lifeless> just as a user, its kinda weird, and there are namespace issues to fit all the permutations in
[12:59] <lifeless> spiv: well, there are not all those permutations on the branches side.
[12:59] <lifeless> spiv: I'm just saying keep the two sides - product and people - in sync
[12:59] <spiv> So I'm going to take the easy option, and assume that seeing as no-one has missed the lack of a link to +branchlisting that it doesn't really matter.
[12:59] <spiv> Well, they're already out of sync.
[01:00] <lifeless> your call
[01:00] <spiv> The task of "just land ddaa's simple UI branch" is at risk of massive feature creep if I take that on :)
[01:00] <spiv> s/feature/scope/
[01:01] <lifeless> well
[01:01] <lifeless> deleting it is not a pre-req to landing
[01:01] <spiv> Sure.  But deleting the tests more-or-less is.
[01:02] <spiv> I'm unkeen on leaving a mess of half old-style/half new-style pagetests.
[01:02] <spiv> Perhaps the mistake was letting the scope creep include updating the tests to new-style, instead of merely making them pass ;)
[01:03] <spiv> Anyway, I'll remove the offending tests, file bugs, and move on.
[01:03] <spiv> Also, review meeting!
[01:04] <lifeless> I think you have pinpointed the mistake.
[01:04] <lifeless> review meeting.
[01:04] <lifeless> who art here ?
[01:04] <BjornT> me
[01:04] <jamesh> me
[01:05] <lifeless> ok
[01:06] <spiv> me
[01:06] <lifeless> ah cool
[01:06] <lifeless> so theres nothing explicit this week
[01:06] <lifeless> anyone got stuff to bring up before we look at the queue ?
[01:07] <lifeless> next meeting same bat-time, same bat-channel ?
[01:07] <salgado> I'm here too
[01:08] <spiv> Sounds good.
[01:08] <jamesh> sure.
[01:08] <lifeless> coolies
[01:08] <lifeless> queue status:
[01:08] <lifeless> 8 items in the queue
[01:08] <lifeless> 4 of which are > 3 days
[01:09] <spiv> I think kiko's already reviewed bradb/launchpad/malone-landscape-hack/ -- I saw mail on the review list, so I think he's been slack about updating the status.
[01:09] <lifeless> so that makes 3 @ 4 days
[01:10] <salgado> I've already reviewed cprov's archive-tools and danilo's bug-1788, but they need a second review. I'll do them today. and will probably review cprov/repository/launchpad/buildd-ui today too
[01:10] <lifeless> how is the review load ?
[01:10] <lifeless> 4 days means 2 in actual fact, given the weekend, so its at the upper end of what we aim for as a service level.
[01:12] <lifeless> salgado: ?
[01:12] <spiv> The load's been ok, I've had the impression it's been a little higher this last week or so, but then maybe that's just because I spent 2 hours reviewing 447 lines earlier today ;)
[01:13] <salgado> oh, sorry. I think the load has been fine
[01:13] <lifeless> ok.
[01:14] <lifeless> well, please keep an eye on the queue - and if you are not going to get something reviewed within 2 days, please be sure to bounce it to someone else
[01:14] <salgado> it took me too long to review danilos' branch, because I reviewed it with him on IRC, explaining lots of things about launchpad that he wasn't aware yet
[01:14] <lifeless> we have plenty of reviewers to share around, though I do think the load is up somewhat.
[01:16] <lifeless> any other business?
[01:16] <lifeless> 5
[01:16] <SteveA> hi
[01:16] <lifeless> 4
[01:17] <SteveA> no comments from me
[01:17] <lifeless> 3
[01:18] <lifeless> 2
[01:18] <lifeless> 1
[01:18] <lifeless> meeting over, thanks for comin
[01:18] <SteveA> jamesh: https://blueprint.staging.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-express/+deptreedotfile
[01:19] <jamesh> SteveA: cool.
[01:22] <ivoks> hi
[01:23] <SteveA> jamesh: so, I had it set up with the dot file in vim, and a command   cat myfile.dot | dot -Tpng > out.png, and gqview looking at out.png
[01:23] <SteveA> gqview is clever enough to notice when the file changes
[01:23] <SteveA> and update its image
[01:23] <SteveA> hi ivoks
[01:30] <carlos> ivoks: hi
[01:30] <carlos> ivoks: let me check...
[01:30] <ivoks> np
[01:35] <carlos> ivoks: where did you upload your file?
[01:35] <ivoks> in dapper
[01:35] <carlos> ok
[01:36] <ivoks> i fixed manualy most of the errors searching trough web interface
[01:36] <ivoks> so, all needs review can be droped
[01:37] <ivoks> but i'm planing to get some .pos, fix them while on vacation and upload them by the end of this month
[01:38] <carlos> could you tell me more or less last time you tried to upload?
[01:38] <ivoks> ummm... a week ago?
[01:38] <ivoks> i don't rembember exact date :/
[01:39] <carlos> ok, that's enough
[01:44] <ivoks> i can try again...
[01:46] <carlos> ivoks: your import failed
[01:46] <carlos> ivoks: and our system was not able to notify you about it (our fault)
[01:46] <carlos> ivoks: could you execute msgfmt -c -v yourfile.po
[01:46] <carlos> ?
[01:46] <ivoks> eh... but that happens to everything i upload :/
[01:46] <ivoks> sure
[01:47] <ivoks> warning: PO file header fuzzy
[01:47] <ivoks> warning: older versions of msgfmt will give an error on this
[01:47] <ivoks> that's it
[01:47] <ivoks> and 823 translated messages.
[01:48] <ivoks> so, it failed for ubuntu-docs (both server and desktop guid), gnome-applets, gnome-panel (iirc)...
[01:49] <carlos> hmm, the last one I see failing is ubuntu-docs
[01:49] <ivoks> right, that's the last i tried
[01:49] <carlos> with a 'string not terminated' error
[01:49] <ivoks> on others i gave up and did it manually
[01:50] <carlos> please, try again with the .po file you just validated
[01:50] <ivoks> sure
[01:50] <carlos> and if you don't get any confirmation email today, file a bug with that file attached
[01:50] <ivoks> ok
[01:50] <carlos> ivoks: thank you
[01:50] <ivoks> thank you
[01:51] <ivoks> ok, just uploaded
[01:53] <carlos> ok
[01:54] <carlos> mdke_: hi, around?
[01:57] <salgado> stub, ping
[02:00] <mdke_> carlos: yes
[02:01] <carlos> mdke_: never mind, I was talking with danilo and wanted to note you about him working now with me on Rosetta, but he just told me that you already know each other
[02:02] <mdke_> carlos: yes vaguely, that's great news!
[02:04] <danilos> mdke_: hi there :)
[02:05] <mdke_> very cool that you are working on rosetta now
[02:05] <danilos> mdke: yeah, it's cool, lets just see how it turns out for rosetta as well :)
[02:06] <danilos> hehe, thanks :)
[02:06] <mdke> ok, lunch
[02:07] <danilos> enjoy it
[02:12] <ploum> hello
[02:13] <ploum> can someone re-launch staging ?
[02:13] <ploum> (I don't remember if I must ping BjornT or someone else about this)
[02:17] <salgado> ploum, staging is rebuilt every day, so it's possible that it's being rebuilt right now. has it been down for a long time?
[02:17] <ploum> salgado: oh, I just saw it
[02:17] <ploum> but someone (I don't remember who) told me to tell here if staging is down
[02:19] <salgado> ploum, staging is running already. I can access it from here
[02:20] <ploum> indeed
[02:20] <ploum> so it was temporary
[02:20] <ploum> sorry
[02:27] <carlos> ploum: I did
[02:27] <ploum> thanks :-)
[02:27] <carlos> I mean
[02:27] <carlos> I I think I told you I can start it again
[02:27] <carlos> I didn't fixed it today
[02:27] <carlos> ;-)
[02:28] <ploum> ah ok, so it's a bit brighter ;-)
[02:28] <ploum> I was not sure
[02:28] <ploum> (I'm really bad at remember people on IRC)
[02:31] <carlos> ploum: me too, that's why I said 'I think I did' ;-)
[02:33] <LarstiQ> funny
[02:45] <carlos> see you later
[03:28] <jgi> hello everyone
[03:29] <jgi> jordi, hello
[03:29] <jgi> I've just uploaded a tarball of WengoPhone's po files for review
[03:30] <jordi> jgi: okay
[03:30] <jordi> let me have a look
[03:39] <jordi> jgi: any reason you upload an English file, or is that meant to be the template?
[03:39] <jgi> jordi, should the template contain only msg ids?
[03:39] <jordi> yes
[03:39] <jordi> it's typically named ".pot"
[03:40] <jgi>  ok, is it the same than a .po files but with msg strs empy and a .pot extension?
[03:40] <jordi> yes
[03:40] <jordi> the t is for template
[03:40] <jgi> ok
[03:40] <jgi> then I can upload a new tarball with only a .pot file and a fr.po
[03:40] <jordi> ok, I was just asking because we normally don't import English translations (that is a file with msgstr which are exactly the same as the msgids) because there's no poibnt
[03:40] <jordi> don't worry
[03:41] <jordi> I can approve this and make rosetta believe it's a pot file
[03:41] <jgi> ok, that would be good
[03:44] <jordi> ok
[03:44] <jgi> jordi, i'll be right back
[03:49] <jordi> jgi: voil! aThey are approved, and should appear soonish as imported
[03:49] <jgi> jordi: ok, I see there are templates here: https://launchpad.net/products/wengophone/trunk/+pots/qtwengophone/ , but there is no untranslated string. Is it normal?
[03:49] <jgi> jordi: and filtering translated strings show nothing too
[03:57] <jordi> jgi: it's being imported still I guess
[03:57] <jordi> wow my link is slow right now
[04:15] <jgi> jordi: how long does it take usually to import translations?
[04:18] <salgado> stub, I found a possible issue with that shipit constraint that checks the status and shipment. do you have some time to talk about it?
[04:19] <carlos> jgi: it depends on the amount of entries we have in the queue
[04:21] <jordi> jgi: should be in now
[04:22] <jordi> actually, your files failed.
[04:22] <jordi> You should have got an email
[04:22] <jordi> carlos: duplicate entries.
[04:22] <jordi> qtwengophone_en.po:124: duplicate message definition
[04:22] <jordi> qtwengophone_en.po:65: ...this is the location of the first definition
[04:24] <carlos> jordi: with that kind of failures we don't send an email (yet)
[04:24] <jordi> oh ok
[04:25] <cprov> stub: ping
[04:27] <jgi> jordi, carlos: actually i got an e-mail indeed
[04:27] <jordi> jgi: that gettext error is fatal
[04:27] <jordi> how are you generating your files?
[04:28] <jgi> jordi: using ts2po
[04:28] <jordi> hm, carlos, do you know any remedy for this?
[04:30] <jgi> jordi: which are the duplicate messages?
[04:30] <stub> cprov: pong
[04:31] <cprov> stub: do you have some minutes to perform the DBA request I did ?
[04:31] <carlos> jordi: fixing the duplicates ;-)
[04:31] <jordi> jgi: msgfmt -cCv yourfile.po
[04:32] <jordi> carlos: why does ts2po do this?
[04:32] <jordi> it generates unvaild files apparently
[04:32] <carlos> jordi: I don't know what's ts2po
[04:32] <danilos> jordi: most of the tools for OOo and Firefox do that as well... just pass them through msguniq
[04:33] <jordi> converts from Qt translation files to po
[04:33] <jordi> danilos: *nod*. Is tjhere a reason they do this?
[04:33] <danilos> jordi: because there might be two differing translations for same strings, and they can't decide which one is better
[04:33] <jordi> jgi: anyway, see what danilo said, msguniq them and you'll be done.
[04:33] <danilos> jordi: that's what I do in "xml2po -r" (reusing translations from XML files) as well
[04:33] <jordi> danilos: yuck
[04:34] <danilos> I mean, it's easy to simply use the first one, but maybe the second is better (there are options for msguniq for that ;-)
[04:36] <carlos> jordi: hmmm I think gettext already supports QT translation files...
[04:36] <jordi> well rosetta chokes on them then
[04:37] <carlos> no, it doesn't
[04:37] <carlos> gettext supports format strings from qt but from .cpp files
[04:38] <jordi> oh
[04:39] <jgi> carlos: *only* from .cpp files?
[04:39] <carlos> jgi: yeah that's what it says:
[04:39] <carlos>       --qt                    recognize Qt format strings
[04:39] <carlos>                                 (only language C++)
[04:40] <jgi> ok, but I mean it can also use strings that were written in header files
[04:40] <carlos> jgi: sure, sorry, only C++ source code
[04:41] <jgi> ok
[04:41] <jgi> Our strings are located only in C++ code AFAIK, but there might be some exceptions. I'll run msguniq and upload files again
[04:43] <carlos> jgi: if you only use C++ code, I think is much better if you use directly gettext
[05:12] <jgi> jordi, should I upload msguniqed files again? If so, where should I do it?
[05:17] <cprov> stub: ping
[05:20] <jgi> jordi, carlos: i've uploaded new files which went through msuniq, is there any way to know if import has failed?
[05:21] <carlos> jgi: https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=products&status=FAILED&type=all
[05:24] <jgi> carlos, on top of this page: https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=products&status=all&type=all there is the first import of qtwengophone_fr.po and qtwengophone_en.po, but i can't see a trace of my second upload
[05:27] <carlos> it's there now
[05:27] <carlos> so people finds their files
[05:29] <DSG> hello
[05:31] <carlos> DSG: hi
[05:32] <DSG> do you speak spanish ??
[05:33] <danilos> carlos does, bad badly ;)
[05:34] <DSG> because i don't speak much englesh
[05:34] <carlos> danilos: go away!
[05:34] <carlos> danilos: ;-)
[05:34] <danilos> :)
[05:34] <carlos> DSG: let's move to a private chat then...
[05:35] <jgi> carlos, I can see the french translation now, but there is no message to translate apparently. Are they supposed to come later when rosetta finish to process them?
[05:37] <carlos> yes, when it moves from 'Approved to Imported'
[05:38] <jgi> carlos, it seems to be the case already
[05:39] <carlos> jgi: if Rosetta imported them, you should have a confirmation email
[05:40] <jgi> carlos, yes, I got two e-mails, one for the french translation, and one for the english translation
[05:42] <jgi> carlos, in the product status, it is also stated that WengoPhone "doesn't use Rosetta", is it ok?
[05:43] <carlos> jgi: no, you should note that you are using Rosetta. Once we have all products clean, I guess we should set it on automatically
[05:43] <jgi> carlos, ok
[05:45] <carlos> jgi: about the empy translations problem
[05:45] <carlos> jgi: you lack a .pot file upload
[05:45] <carlos> so the system thinks that you have no messages at all
[05:45] <jgi> carlos, where could I upload this? If I try to upload a .pot file it says it wants a .po file
[05:46] <jgi> I must be looking at the wrong place
[05:46] <jgi> hmm, maybe I found it: https://launchpad.net/products/wengophone/trunk/+translations-upload , right ?
[05:47] <jgi> carlos, done
[05:50] <carlos> jgi: next time, upload it to https://launchpad.net/products/wengophone/trunk/+pots/qtwengophone/+upload
[05:50] <carlos> and it will be imported automatically
[05:50] <carlos> +translations-upload requires that we review it, but don't worry
[05:58] <carlos> is not a bit problem ;-)
[05:58] <carlos> I will approve it now.
[05:58] <jgi> carlos, thanks :-)
[05:58] <carlos> jordi: wow, is drupal asking to use us to translate it officially ? there are a bunch of .pot files for drupal pending to be approved
[05:58] <carlos> jgi: done
[05:58] <jgi> carlos, ok thanks. However, it seems that there is still no message to translate :-(
[05:58] <carlos> jgi: it takes a while
[05:58] <jgi> ok
[05:58] <carlos> I just approved it
[05:58] <carlos> now we need to wait for the import script to process it
[05:58] <jgi> ok
[06:01] <carlos> see you later
[06:04] <jgi> carlos, see you
[06:09] <jordi> carlos: no, they aren't
[06:09] <jordi> it's an upload I need to sort out
[06:09] <jordi> but that'll be deleted
[06:11] <jordi> jgi: ah I see you sorted it out
[06:11] <jordi> jgi: ah I see you sorted it oui was having some food
[06:14] <jgi> jordi, yes, that's great
[06:14] <jgi> thank you very much to everyone!
[06:18] <jordi> jgi: cool!
[06:19] <jgi> brb
[06:47] <elmo> how does launchpad send mail?
[06:47] <elmo> does it invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail?
[06:49] <salgado> elmo, I think this is a question for BjornT!
[06:49] <stub> elmo: SMTP to localhost
[06:49] <stub> (or another SMTP server if you prefer)
[06:50] <elmo> stub: hum
[06:51] <elmo> got an easy way on carbon to try getting launchpad to send mail in the way it does
[06:51] <stub> telnet localhost 25
[06:52] <stub> Or I can reconfigure the launchpad instance to turn email on - I don't think it will spam anyone as long as people don't randomly click ;)
[06:52] <elmo> hmm, ok
[06:53] <elmo> the problem is we can't do recipients ACLs on non-SMTP connections in exim
[06:54] <salgado> stub, talk to me, dude! kiko thinks we should use a trigger to change the status to shipped, when we update a request's shipment attribute, to avoid possible problems with the updates to status and shipment being performed on separate statements
[06:55] <salgado> stub, do you think a trigger is necessary or can we workaround it by issuing a raw SQL update?
[06:55] <stub> salgado: Seperate statements? Why?
[06:55] <stub> Even SQLObject should get that right...
[06:55] <salgado> stub, because I do request.status = shipped; request.shipment = shipment
[06:55] <salgado> it works fine, but I guess only because we use lazyUpdates
[06:56] <stub> salgado: Lazy updates is good, so that isn't a problem.
[06:57] <stub> salgado: So kiko is tryng to work around problems that don't exist. Hasn't he got enough problems already??
[06:57] <salgado> actually, I raised the problem
[06:57] <salgado> :/
[06:57] <salgado> and he suggested using a trigger
[06:58] <stub> Stick with the way you have it. It will only break if lazy updates gets switched off, and that would be a good thing.
[06:59] <stub> elmo: What is the problem then? We are using SMTP, so we can do recipients ACLs. Or did you use one too many negatives in that sentence?
[06:59] <elmo> stub: I can't guard against the possiblity of launchpad slipping into non-SMTP mode without warning
[07:00] <elmo> and non-obvious things like mail(1) use non-SMTP
[07:01] <stub> elmo: ok. Launchpad only has one email sending routing (lib/canonical/launchpad/mail/sendmail.py), and it only uses SMTP. Z3 pulled out the sendmail stuff due to a security problem, and from Python we just use smtplib rather than calling mail or sendmail from a subprocess. So it will be safe.
[07:04] <elmo> ok
[07:10] <elmo> hmm, I have a cunning plan
[07:11] <jgi> how is it possible for a given project to change its translation group?
[08:43] <kalosaurusrex> anyone know if the email support feature is working yet?
[08:54] <salgado> kalosaurusrex, if you mean, answering support requests by email, then yes, it should be working, I think
[08:55] <LarstiQ> salgado: the issue is starting support requests by mail
[08:56] <kalosaurusrex> how about sending support requests via email?
[08:57] <kalosaurusrex> LarstiQ:  :)
[08:57] <kalosaurusrex> actually I want to be able to connect my launchpad stuff to a gmane mailing list.  and have issues emailed from the mailing list, sent to gmane (already happens) and then sent to launchpad for tracking.
[09:00] <salgado> by looking at the code it seems to me that it's only possible to reply to an existing support request by email. :-(
[09:01] <salgado> kalosaurusrex, you might want to file a bug, explaining your use case. it shouldn't be hard to implement this
[09:04] <flacoste> LarstiQ: there is
[09:05] <flacoste> LarstiQ: err, actually, it's not in the specification tracker
[09:06] <kalosaurusrex> salgado: okay I will! great. thanks!
[09:07] <flacoste> and the old one https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/TicketTrackerEmailInterface didn't cover creating new tickets by email
[09:09] <LarstiQ> ok, so kalosaurusrex should just file a new one on https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-support-tracker ?
[09:09] <LarstiQ> flacoste: that wiki is not accessible for us outsiders
[09:10] <flacoste> LarstiQ: wiki.launchpad.canonical.com should be
[09:10] <radix> can anyone tell me where the "add milestone" button is?
[09:10] <flacoste> LarstiQ: it's the old public wiki
[09:10] <LarstiQ> flacoste: indeed it is
[09:12] <LarstiQ> radix: good question, I can't find it
[09:12] <salgado> radix, the milestones are tied to productseries, so you have to create one or more productseries if you want to have milestones, I think
[09:13] <radix> oh
[09:13] <salgado> radix, for instance, on https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-support-tracker/1.0 you can see the link to add a milestone
[09:13] <radix> aha!
[09:13] <radix> ok, I found it in my "trunk" series
[09:14] <salgado> cool. :)
[09:15] <LarstiQ> that isn't easy to find out
[09:15] <niemeyer> Anyone with SQL access to  launchpad around
[09:15] <niemeyer> ?
[09:16] <salgado> niemeyer, read or write? does it need to be production or would staging be enough?
[09:16] <niemeyer> salgado: read/write on production.. I just did something stupid adding dummy information to a product to try it out.
[09:16] <niemeyer> And I can't remove now
[09:17] <salgado> niemeyer, you need stub or SteveA, then
[09:17] <niemeyer> salgado: Thanks!
[09:18] <LarstiQ> Storm?
[09:18] <salgado> np
[09:36] <kalosaurusrex> salgado: I entered the ticket.  number 53292
[09:36] <salgado> Ubugtu, bug 53292?
[09:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53292 in launchpad-support-tracker "Email submit support ticket feature" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53292
[09:37] <salgado> thanks kalosaurusrex!
[09:38] <kalosaurusrex> salgado: and to you.  I appreciate your help.
[10:09] <bradb> salgado: Can somebody log in to LP without having validated their email address (i.e. it's still NEW), and would LP prompt them to validate at that point?
[10:09] <bradb> i'm thinking of things we might see from importing data
[10:10] <bradb> and if, for example, in a demo instance we can set all email addresses to some not-validated state, to trigger this login-and-validate workflow, if there even is one
[10:12] <salgado> bradb, if that happens, we will send an email to the address that person tried to login with, with a link to validate that address and then be able to login.
[10:12] <salgado> so, although it's not possible to login without a preferred email, we catch that and start the validate-your-email process for them
[10:12] <salgado> (and we also tell them an email was sent, and that they need to follow the instructions there before logging in, obviously)
[10:12] <bradb> salgado: ok, so, IIUC:
[10:13] <bradb> let's say we have a demo instance, and we want to make sure we don't spam people...
[10:13] <bradb> i should be able to update all the emailaddresses in this instance to be NEW, by default
[10:13] <bradb> then, anytime anyone logs in, they will be prompted to validate their email address
[10:14] <bradb> so only people who have specifically gone through this login-and-validate workflow will get email from the demo instance
[10:14] <bradb> right?
[10:14] <salgado> right
[10:14] <bradb> sweet!
[10:15] <LarstiQ> bradb: if you need a guinnea pig for demo instance testing, ping me
[10:15] <bradb> LarstiQ: thanks...we're working on an import now, so i'll let you know
[10:15] <salgado> bradb, but there may be places in the code that assume .preferredemail is never None
[10:16] <bradb> salgado: right. i think we can consider those bugs, if people do find them
[10:17] <salgado> I'm not sure they're bugs, because they assume that if a person got there, that means this person had a preferredemail at some point
[10:17] <salgado> and once you have one, it's not possible (by normal means) to go back to a no-prefferedemail status
[10:17] <bradb> right
[10:18] <bradb> salgado: one other thing...if my email address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and there's an account that was created with that email address and no p/w, how can i "claim" that account?
[10:18] <bradb> (again, thinking data import)
[10:19] <salgado> you have to use the forgotten password form
[10:20] <bradb> salgado: and will this work, even if the email is not yet validated?
[10:20] <salgado> yep
[10:21] <bradb> salgado: does it reset the p/w and validate the email all at the same time in this case?
[10:21] <salgado> bradb, yes
[10:22] <bradb> salgado: nice! thanks for the info. /me continues replying to jamesh's mail.
[10:22] <salgado> bradb, no problem
[10:50] <LarstiQ> hmm
[10:53] <bradb> LarstiQ: you aren't
[10:53] <bradb> if you file a bug at /distros/$distroname/+filebug and specify a package, you won't get the bugmail
[10:53] <bradb> any other variation on filing a bug should send mail though. (i've already landed the fix and asked stub to cherrypick it into production.)
[10:54] <LarstiQ> bradb: I'm thinking of bzr-email, which should be owned by the bzr devs, yet I just saw it had bugs I've never seen before
[10:56] <LarstiQ> bradb: the difference with bzr proper is that lifeless is the registrant for the plugin, and bzr devs are the registrant for bzr
[10:56] <bradb> LarstiQ: https://launchpad.net/products/bzr-email. lifeless pwns it.
[10:56] <LarstiQ> ok, so this is user error
[10:56] <bradb> yeah
[10:57] <LarstiQ> thanks for hitting me over the head with that :)
[10:57] <bradb> heh
[10:59] <bradb> ah, interesting
[11:04] <LarstiQ> I'm afraid it is even hotter than that here :/
[11:06] <bradb> LarstiQ: wow, where's that?
[11:06] <LarstiQ> bradb: The Netherlands, flat roof
[11:06] <bradb> ah


[16:52] <jali> Hi
[19:27] <stevieman> I did an update a week ago and now I have no video output to my TV. I can still VNC into the machine.
[19:44] <stevieman> What should I be looking at to get my TV feed back. It was a system update that I did.
[23:38] <Fistan> Hello
[23:40] <Fistan> hay alguien?
[23:40] <Fistan> anybody?
[23:43] <Fistan> Hi


[11:21] <siji> hi all
[11:21] <siji> good evening
[11:21] <siji> How to disable VSYNC in Ubuntu+Bealge Board
[13:08] <fta> asac, http://codereview.chromium.org/download/issue463027_1001.diff
[13:14] <asac> ok
[13:14] <asac> but does that help?
[13:14] <asac> i dont think that would fix builds < armv7
[13:14] <asac> i agree its right to split this up though
[13:15] <asac> is there no good codebrowser for chromium?
[13:15] <asac> with cross reference?
[13:15] <asac> fta: ?
[13:16] <fta> no, there's google code search but it's not uptodate
[13:19] <fta> asac, i wanted to setup an lxr but the deb package is a mess
[13:34] <asac> kk
[16:07] <rek> where can i find the repositories?
[16:07] <ogra> ports.ubuntu.com
[16:32] <rek> i man
[16:33] <rek> where can i find what to put in etc sources list
[16:33] <rek> hi ogra i remember you are in germany now
[16:33] <ogra> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports <distro> main universe
[16:35] <fta> asac, chromium succeeded on lucid! \o/   (took 9 hours, 43 minutes, 23.6 seconds)
[16:35] <ogra> rek, right, thats where i live
[16:36]  * asac dances
[16:36] <ogra> 9h isnt bad !
[16:36] <rek> ?
[16:36] <rek> ogra it's for a smartq 5
[16:37] <fta> a big part of these 9h is due to the testsuite
[16:37] <asac> fta: 9 hours is wrong imo
[16:37] <asac> i think it started right when i uploaded
[16:38] <asac> and that was aboug 24h ago ;)
[16:38] <asac> about
[16:38] <asac> hmm maybe a few hours later
[16:38] <fta> Build needed 21:39:16, 6295520k disk space
[16:38] <fta> hm
[16:38] <ogra> rek, smartq 5 is ARMv5, right ?
[16:38] <rek> i have karmic main universe restricted multiverse   i want jaunty
[16:38] <fta> bad lp
[16:39] <rek> i think it's arm
[16:39] <asac> 17:36 < asac> chromium for lucid bits are here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3
[16:39] <asac> 17:36 < asac> anyone give it a check?
[16:39] <asac> 17:37 < asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3/+build/1377663 ;)
[16:39] <ogra> sure ... the version counts :)
[16:39] <asac> dont ask me about the team name ;)
[16:39] <fta> asac, can't you ask for a rename?
[16:39] <ogra> rek, but if its v5 you will need to replace karmic with jaunty in your line
[16:39] <asac> no
[16:39] <asac> that team is still needed
[16:40] <asac> ;)
[16:40] <rek> ok i'll try
[16:40] <asac> just was too lazy to get a new native ppa
[16:40] <fta> asac, or ask for more generic team?
[16:40] <ogra> ubuntu-arm-browser ?
[16:41] <asac> atm native ppas are not avialable to anyone but employees unfortunately
[16:41] <rek> ?
[16:41] <fta> or just an arm native ppa
[16:41] <asac> i will try to get that revisited
[16:41] <ogra> i think its blocked on XEN
[16:41] <asac> i would think that motu/core-dev together with a damn good reason should be ok too
[16:41] <asac> ogra: reall ppas yes
[16:41] <asac> real
[16:41] <ogra> we'd need spare HW for PPA work
[16:42] <rek> locale not supported by C library why?
[16:42] <asac> ogra: it was about policy for native ppa
[16:42] <ogra> right
[16:43] <ogra> rek, prefix your commands with LANG=C then that goes away ... or run locale-gen <yourlocale>
[16:43] <rek> don't understand
[16:43] <rek> it happens also if i do apt-ge
[16:44] <ogra> right, prefix the commands with LANG=C or generate the proper locale
[16:49] <rek> what's a locale?
[16:50] <rek> what does "umet dependencies/it's not going to be installed " means.... every time i try to get a new application
[16:50] <rek> unmet
[16:50] <ogra> that means that a depending package is missing
[16:51] <ogra> a locale is a set of translations etc
[16:51] <rek> so i cannot have a single application working damn?
[16:52] <ogra> what exactly are you trying to do ?
[16:52] <rek> sudo apt-get install amsn for example
[16:53] <rek> i did apt get f now
[16:53] <rek> var log apt missing damnit another error?
[16:54] <ogra> did you do apt-get update after adding the line to sources.list ?
[16:54] <rek> yeah
[16:54] <ogra> and the smartq has ubuntu installed already ?
[16:54] <rek> yes
[16:55] <rek> ok
[16:55] <rek> now it works
[16:55] <rek> wait
[16:55] <ogra> well, then its likely that a package amsn depends on failed to build and nobody fixed it
[16:56] <rek> gimme a name of a cool application i can install
[16:56] <ogra> no idea
[16:56] <ogra> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/jaunty.html has the list of packages that didnt build in jaunty
[16:57] <ogra> as you can see there are a lot of broken packages in universe
[16:57] <rek> why can't we have a flah?
[16:57] <rek> flash
[16:58] <ogra> ask adobe :)
[16:58] <rek> is that true?
[16:58] <ogra> they own flash
[16:59] <rek> how can i have a sound recorder?
[16:59] <ogra> probably with: apt-get install gnome-sound-recorder
[16:59] <rek> how can i hae skype?
[16:59] <ogra> no idea
[17:00] <ogra> ask skype ... its proprietary
[17:00] <rek> suggestions?
[17:09] <asac> rek: check the download page. get the all static tar gz .. .unpack it somewhere in your home and run the skype command inside
[17:09] <asac> but for arm ;) ...
[17:09] <asac> hehe
[17:09] <asac> sry didnt check the channel
[17:09] <asac> try gnash
[17:10] <ogra> yeah, gnash might work as flash replacement
[17:13] <rek> gnash?
[17:13] <rek> sure?
[17:14] <rek> and skype?
[17:14] <ogra> there is no skype for arm
[17:14] <rek> can i have the sources and compile them all?
[17:14] <ogra> its proprietary ... as long as skype doesnt offer an arm build ...
[17:15] <ogra> same as with adobes flash
[17:15] <rek> strange
[17:15] <rek> is there something like skype out there?
[17:15] <ogra> the protocol is proprietary
[17:15] <ogra> so no
[17:16] <ogra> they recently released the source for the client but it still uses a binary blob which would have to be compiled for arm
[17:16] <rek> blob? can i do something?
[17:17] <ogra> no
[17:48] <lool> ogra: N810 and N900 have Skype for ARM though   :-)
[21:18] <pwnguin> woo! Estimated Delivery Date:12/8/2009 (updated)
[21:18] <pwnguin> nokia n900 on the way
[22:38] <pwnguin> were there any notes from the arm track at UDS?
[22:39] <pwnguin> particularly, I'd like to review the stuff i heard about arm board descriptors or something like that
[22:41] <ojn> device trees? yes.
[22:41] <ojn> one sec
[22:42] <ojn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L/RemoteParticipation  see gobby instructions. Notes were taken there (they were still there when I checked a week and a half ago)
[22:53] <pwnguin> quite a few gobby docs
[22:56] <pwnguin> hmm. what's the difference between a flattened tree and a list?


[00:00] <TheSheep> I usually share files via a server
[00:00] <khan12234232> question, why is thunar copying instead of moving when i drag and drop (yes i know shift changes this)
[00:00] <TheSheep> khan12234232: because you drag between different partitions
[00:01] <TheSheep> or different disks
[00:01] <khan12234232> no, from home folder (same partition) and desktop, again same partition
[00:01] <TheSheep> shouldn't do that :/
[00:02] <aLeSD> maybe I have the solution
[00:02] <aLeSD> I can't mount the folder cause it's an extern device
[00:02] <khan12234232> ??
[00:02] <aLeSD> an usb - hd
[00:03] <TheSheep> I really don't know, I wonder if there is a #samba channel
[00:03] <aLeSD> sorry
[00:03] <aLeSD> I was thinking to be in samba client
[00:03] <aLeSD> lol
[00:04] <TheSheep> no, I'm just saying that here doesn't appear to be anyone knowledgable, so maybe there is someone on #samba or even ##windows
[00:04] <TheSheep> or #ubuntu
[00:14] <khan2352453> how do i browse network shares (and mount them) in xubuntu
[01:05] <self> http://tinyurl.com/249rjg
[05:07] <slimjimflim> anybody know how to fix the bug where you have to disable/enable the ubuntu addon for ff3 in order to connect to sites?
[05:07] <slimjimflim> should i just remove the addon?
[06:45] <owen1> how to set xterm to it's defaults, using .Xdefaults file?
[08:43] <owen1> i try to use monaco fonts as my xterm default by setting .Xdefaults.  I read about the command xfontsel that open dialog with all the options of fonts and help in creating the line in .Xdefaults. from some reason i don't see monaco there eventhough i installed Monaco_Linux on my machine.  any idea?
[09:21] <deus__> Ok
[09:21] <deus__> how do i configure synaptics now?
[09:21] <deus__> im not talking to the frontend of apt
[09:21] <deus__> but the controlling of tbe touchpad to laptops
[11:07] <deus__> my update of the packages is stuck on
[11:07] <deus__> 40% [Connecting to no.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:700:300:1800::b)]
[11:07] <deus__> but i can ping it with no problem
[11:08] <deus__> anybody know anything about that?
[12:05] <thekanclub> hi
[12:14] <bad-wire> hi there, sound trouble on xubuntu 8.04 with a santa cruz soundcard (Sound Fusion CS46xx):  1- it plays , then keeps on playing but sounds stop  2- I can hear sound from line in, but trying to recordwith audacity does not show any volume .  anyone got a clue?
[12:55] <sinbox> if anyone has an   answer  for bad-wire give it to me please :)
[12:56]  * bad-wire is out of here
[14:51] <sinbox> on the same question from bad-wire: after installing ubuntu-desktop: playback works fine on there.
[15:05] <ubd> how do i add a program to startup
[15:28] <juanantonio> Hello, my friends. I am trying Xubuntu Live CD, it's really simple but very accurate and very logical
[15:38] <djohngo_> I'm having some sound troubles.
[15:38] <djohngo_> root has sound, but users don't unless I change the permissions to /dev/snd to 777.
[15:39] <djohngo_> All my users are members of "audio'.
[15:39] <djohngo_> I'm not sure how to start troubleshooting this.
[15:40] <djohngo_> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[15:42] <sinbox> not the easiest version for sound xubuntu unfortunately, been having problems since this morning and no answer so far, but patience should pay
[15:46] <juanantonio> One thing, how can I make to connect to my WiFi net?
[15:46] <juanantonio> Or maybe if I am using the CD Live version the feature is not working?
[15:46] <neozen> juanantonio: depends on the wireless card you're using
[15:47] <juanantonio> Conceptronic
[15:48] <juanantonio> very usable, even in Windows Xp and Suse
[15:48] <neozen> ubd: in the settings manager Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager look for "Autostarted Applications"
[15:48] <neozen> juanantonio: you familiar w/ network-manager-gnome?
[15:49] <neozen> juanantonio: lives in your system tray, lets you handle network connections
[15:49] <juanantonio> I do not know, in this PC I have Kubuntu
[15:50] <neozen> juanantonio: ahh... perhaps the #kubuntu channel then
[15:50] <juanantonio> Yes, it is up in my Xfce Desktop, 0.7.0 version
[15:50] <juanantonio> Neozen, the PC I have problems in is ruuning Xubuntu 8.10
[15:50] <neozen> juanantonio: am confused... do you have a connection on the computer with xfce, or not?
[15:51] <juanantonio> I have no connection
[15:51] <neozen> juanantonio: ok...
[15:51] <neozen> juanantonio: you should see a networking icon in the system tray
[15:51] <neozen> juanantonio: I believe xubuntu puts it in the top right by default
[15:52] <juanantonio> Yes, I can see two PCs with a red X close to the espeaker icon
[15:52] <juanantonio> Yes, it is in the top
[15:52] <neozen> juanantonio: wonderful, if you click it do you see wireless networks?
[15:54] <juanantonio> Yes, I can see my net. I was clicking right button, I just clicked left one
[15:54] <juanantonio> What must I do? Justo to click and everything will be working?
[15:54] <neozen> juanantonio: still can't get a connection?
[15:55] <neozen> juanantonio: or was just a left-click vs right-click confusion?
[15:55] <juanantonio> One second, I am typing my password
[15:56] <neozen> juanantonio: k
[15:56] <juanantonio> Everything is allright, Neozen. Thank you, I am so new, hehehe
[15:57] <neozen> juanantonio: fyi ... you'd do the same thing to connect to a wireless network in regular ubuntu (GNOME)
[15:57] <neozen> juanantonio: hehee... np
[15:58] <juanantonio> Ok, my friend, I am getting used to Kubuntu just because in my beginning in Linux I installed SuSE 10.1
[15:59]  * neozen nods
[15:59] <juanantonio> and now I want to know everything about Xubuntu to see if I can resurrect some PIII I have in my old house to download
[15:59] <neozen> juanantonio: I started w/ xu a few years ago when I was new to linux w/ a working gui
[16:00] <neozen> juanantonio: (messed w/ Redhat WAYYYYYYY back in the day (2000) for about 3 weeks trying to get X to work)
[16:00] <juanantonio> Hehehe. And what is your opinion about X 8.10?
[16:00] <neozen> juanantonio: I've found it to be quite speedy
[16:01] <sinbox> just onstalled Xubuntu on a P3, works fine appart from that sound problem
[16:01] <neozen> juanantonio: I like the modifications they've made to network manager
[16:01] <juanantonio> I see it with less applications than Kubuntu, but all I need
[16:01] <neozen> juanantonio: *pulled in from upstream on network manager
[16:02] <neozen> juanantonio: nice to have more then one simultaneous connection (ie... both wireless and wired) supported and visible in the gui
[16:02] <juanantonio> Ok, I didn't know it before. But do you think it is a very competent distro?
[16:03] <neozen> juanantonio: I believe so.
[16:03] <juanantonio> Yes, I understand what you mean; I saw it when I was connecting
[16:03] <neozen> juanantonio: I don't agree with some of their choices for default video applications, etc
[16:04] <juanantonio> For example?
[16:04] <neozen> juanantonio: but they're understandable given licensing concerns
[16:04] <neozen> juanantonio: I'm an mplayer user
[16:04] <neozen> juanantonio: tends to work w/o prompting me to pull down alot of codecs
[16:05] <juanantonio> Yes, I downloaded it in this PC
[16:05] <neozen> juanantonio: vlc is a second choice
[16:05] <juanantonio> but I am getting used to Kaffeine
[16:05] <juanantonio> In Xubuntu appears...let me see
[16:05] <neozen> juanantonio: in my experience, if one won't play an encrypted dvd, the other will
[16:06] <juanantonio> "Reproductor de películas", hehehe
[16:06] <neozen> juanantonio: never used Kaffeine... or KDE actually
[16:06] <juanantonio> I am in a Spanish PC and everything is default, hehehe
[16:06] <juanantonio> Xubuntu comes with Totem
[16:06] <neozen> juanantonio: hehehe
[16:07] <juanantonio> and uses some of the GStreamer
[16:07] <neozen> juanantonio: yep
[16:07] <juanantonio> no idea of what this program will make, hehehe
[16:07] <neozen> juanantonio: never really liked totem... am more a fan of minimal interfaces and keyboard shortcuts
[16:07] <juanantonio> but I am not using DVD in the Xubuntu PC
[16:07] <neozen> juanantonio: thus mplayer-nogui ;)
[16:08] <juanantonio> Ok. But MPlayer is in the Ubuntu repos, ins't it?
[16:09] <neozen> juanantonio: yep
[16:10] <juanantonio> I am checking them, my God, there are programs even for treating your bad knee ;)
[16:11] <juanantonio> One question, Xubuntu says acts in some way when you connect a PDA to it. Can I synchronize it?
[16:13] <juanantonio> No fear, going to connect it, hehehe
[16:13] <neozen> juanantonio: don't know... depends on the pda and how it interfaces to linux in general
[16:14] <juanantonio> Yes. It is an HTC 3300
[16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: I use an ancient palm IIIc (go ahead, laugh ;) ) and link it periodically with the pilot-link suite
[16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: but that's me
[16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: and yeah, the repositories have a TON of programs
[16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: for everything
[16:15] <neozen> juanantonio: including KDE if you want it....
[16:15] <neozen> juanantonio: any desktop can be installed from any other
[16:15] <juanantonio> Hehehe. One program for linking it? Because with Kubuntu I am not very sure about what
[16:15] <neozen> juanantonio: all packages that end in -desktop so xubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop etc
[16:16] <neozen> juanantonio: don't know of the HTC
[16:16] <juanantonio> Yes, I am re-new in Linux but I did know it ;)
[16:17] <neozen> juanantonio: weren't sure of which app?
[16:18] <juanantonio> Yes, I am not sure about the app needed
[16:18] <neozen> juanantonio: ah... worst case try googling your pda model and 'linux'
[16:19] <juanantonio> Good idea, thank you
[16:21] <juanantonio> I was adviced to install Xubuntu with LXDE desktop, what do you think about it?
[16:23] <dcolish> juanantonio: I remember you asking about lxde before. I honestly think you should stick with xfce for now.
[16:24] <juanantonio> Yes, dcolish, I asked because I wanted to know the biggest amout of opinions
[16:30] <juanantonio> One question, how can I stablish a net between 2 or 3 linux PCs?
[16:35] <neozen> juanantonio: sry bout that... cellular link went boom (dratted windows mobile phone :P)
[16:36] <juanantonio> Ok, ma, I know this error and all Vista errors...that is why I am getting started with Linux
[16:37] <neozen> ma?
[16:37] <juanantonio> man ;)
[16:37] <neozen> ah
[16:39] <juanantonio> I am very impressed with general configuration of Xubuntu, and I am using CD Live version
[16:39] <meggark> yeh its great i run it on most of my systems
[16:40] <meggark> great on the netbook and on the desktop
[16:40]  * neozen ndos
[16:40] <neozen> *nods
[16:40] <neozen> use it on my thinkpad from work
[16:40] <juanantonio> For sure. It must be around 30% faster than Kubuntu with all the services it runs, don't you think so?
[16:40] <neozen> haven't needed to install anything else yet (though work keeps pushing for office 2007)...
[16:40] <neozen> that..... won't be fun
[16:41] <meggark> office 07 is a bitch
[16:42] <meggark> i write a lot of technical reports for uni, with some mental equations, every one else uses mathtype so i have to use it now and again for group reports
[16:42] <neozen> meggark: "its like little gnomes tore apart my office suite and moved things where I'd never think to put them" --one of our devs
[16:42] <juanantonio> I am going to install 2003 if needed only because I have the key and to sync with my PPC Phone
[16:42] <meggark> lol
[16:42] <neozen> as I see it, best way to install office or corel wp is in a windows virtual machine
[16:43] <meggark> yeh took me ages to get used to the UI, its actually quite nice to use when u get used to it but its such a resource hog
[16:43] <meggark> prefer openoffice anyday
[16:43] <juanantonio> Neozen, you are right
[16:43] <juanantonio> Meggark, definitely it is mucho better and faster
[16:44] <juanantonio> One question,
[16:44] <dcolish> neozen: you ever try wine?
[16:44] <juanantonio> can I make one key open my applcations menu, just as the Start key does in Windows?
[16:44] <neozen> dcolish: yeah
[16:45] <neozen> dcolish: use for starcraft ;)
[16:45] <dcolish> ah, nice, hows the perfomance? I've never been blown away by it
[16:45] <neozen> dcolish: depends on what you're running in it
[16:45] <dcolish> lets say starcraft
[16:46] <neozen> dcolish: seemed snappy to me
[16:46] <neozen> dcolish: aside from the battle.net gui going all screwy of course
[16:47] <neozen> dcolish: main problem w/ wine is that app is not always supported
[16:48] <dcolish> neozen: thats good to hear, there was a while when wine was really bad
[16:48] <dcolish> The crossover guys have done a lot for the project
[16:48] <neozen> dcolish: don't think I ever encountered it in that time
[16:48] <neozen> dcolish: first time was ~ 2006-2007
[16:49] <dcolish> yeah its been good for the past few years
[16:49] <neozen> dcolish: used it to run IE for a while since work had a web-based app for timesheets that only worked in ie6
[16:49] <neozen> (yuk)
[16:50] <dcolish> neozen: I feel your pain, i still have to support ie6
[16:52] <meggark> thats the only thing that annoys me about using xubuntu, the inability to watch streaming media from five on demand and a few other broadcasters who use that damn windows media plugin
[16:53] <meggark> other than that i've found plenty alternative for everything else id do
[18:15] <brewmaster> how can I get xubuntu's default x terminal to display special characters properly?  like spanish and french characters with accents
[18:54] <TheSheep> brewmaster: it does so by default
[18:56] <brewmaster> TheSheep, hrm, not mine...
[18:56] <brewmaster> could it be a pine issue?
[18:57] <TheSheep> brewmaster: is it run on the same host?
[18:57] <brewmaster> Yeah
[18:57] <TheSheep> what does the line 'echo $LANG' say?
[18:57] <brewmaster> so yeah, i can see special character in vim, but not in pine
[18:58] <brewmaster> en_CA.UTF-8
[18:58] <TheSheep> brewmaster: try to configure pine to use utf-8 for output
[18:58] <TheSheep> although it should do so by default
[18:59] <TheSheep> but maybe it's not configured properly on ubuntu, it's not commonly used program after all on desktop distributions
[19:01] <brewmaster> TheSheep, yeah, it looks like I need a patch of some kind
[19:01] <TheSheep> try mutt :)
[19:03] <brewmaster> blashemy! that's like telling a vi user to user emacs :P
[19:03] <TheSheep> better than telling them to use MS Word
[19:04] <TheSheep> besides pine is more emacs-like and mutt more vi-like ;)
[19:04] <TheSheep> or rather pine is more nano/pico-like :P
[19:12] <dcolish> brewmaster: you might not mind sup then?
[19:15] <brewmaster> dcolish, yeah, it looks pretty nice
[19:15] <dcolish> yeah its all in ruby, uses the ncurses bidnings
[20:59] <xanxor> hi everyone
[20:59] <xanxor> I wonder if anybody could help me with a quick question I have about xubuntu? I'm new to the OS.
[21:00] <neozen> salutations xanxor
[21:00] <xanxor> hi neozen
[21:02] <xanxor> might you be able to help me with something? I imagine it's pretty simple, I'm just new at this.
[21:02] <dcolish> just ask it already
[21:02] <xanxor> yeah okay, you don't have to be like that. for some reason my whole file system seems to be read-only. when I open it I can't create or rename anything and when I open properties it says read-only and I am unable to uncheck that.
[21:03] <xanxor> I can only create things on the desktop.
[21:04] <neozen> hmmm... can you create things in your users home directory?
[21:04] <neozen> xanxor: (parent directory of Desktop)
[21:04] <xanxor> hmm let me see.
[21:04] <dcolish> you'll need to use the command line to verify permissions. open a terminal and type ls -lrt in the window that opens then place that in pastebin and send the link
[21:05] <xanxor> oh, yes I can.
[21:05] <neozen> xanxor: hmmm ...sounds ok to me...
[21:06] <neozen> xanxor: when you said you were new to the os, did you mean new to linux in general... or just to xfce/xubuntu
[21:06] <xanxor> no yeah linux in general. I tried to use ubuntu a few years ago when it was much less user-friendly and it stumped me completely, and now I'm trying it for real.
[21:06] <neozen> xanxor: ok... that explains it
[21:06] <xanxor> but yeah it seems to be working, I guess I just have to go via the home folder, not straight into 'file system'.
[21:07] <neozen> xanxor: standard root file system isn't owned by your user
[21:07] <xanxor> okay.
[21:07] <neozen> xanxor: only your home directory
[21:07] <xanxor> is there a way to modify that? it seems weird that you can't.
[21:07] <xanxor> it feels a bit windows XP to me. : P
[21:07] <neozen> xanxor: NO
[21:07] <xanxor> I mean there's nothing I want to change, I'm sure it'd destroy things, I'm just curious.
[21:07] <neozen> xanxor: this is part of unix's security model
[21:07] <xanxor> fair enough.
[21:08] <xanxor> oh I had another question. I installed a program using the add/remove program and it doesn't seem to be in my application list. add/remove assures me it's installed, but where do I find it?
[21:08] <neozen> xanxor: the idea being that if some process you run gets out of hand and starts blowing things away.... only your users files are vulnerable to it
[21:08] <xanxor> I realise these are crazy newbieish questions but I can't find this information in the documentation on the web site, maybe that just means I'm bad at research.
[21:09] <neozen> xanxor: perhaps ;) I'll send you a linke
[21:09] <neozen> *link
[21:10] <neozen> xanxor: what was the application?
[21:12] <xanxor> it's the ekiga softphone.
[21:12] <xanxor> but it's something I don't understand in general, like if you install something from a tar file as well.
[21:12] <neozen> I think it shows up under the internet section
[21:12] <xanxor> (which I did find the instructions for and am attempting now : P)
[21:12] <xanxor> it didn't though, and add/remove says it was installed.
[21:13] <neozen> xanxor: installing from a tarball..... as in a source tarball?
[21:13] <neozen> xanxor: try opening a terminal and running ekiga from there
[21:13] <xanxor> I... don't know? haha. it's a .tar.bz2? but the instructions say this is how to compile and install it if necessary.
[21:13] <xanxor> okay
[21:13] <neozen> xanxor: yeah that's a source tarball
[21:14] <neozen> xanxor: generally there are packages pre-built for most common apps... thinks to keep in mind are when you want to install an application system wide you'll need to sudo things that modify system locations
[21:15] <xanxor> okay, I have no idea what that means. I gotta work through this one step at a time. this isn't a common app, I need something to convert .psw files to .doc.
[21:15] <xanxor> as I have a PDA and no way to sync it, which I don't care about, but I have class notes on the CF card which need to be converted.
[21:15] <neozen> xanxor: ok... as you said... one step @ a time
[21:15] <xanxor> yep.
[21:16] <xanxor> but I do need to work out how to do this tonight, as I have work due tomorrow based on these notes haha.
[21:16] <xanxor> but yeah not your problem! : )
[21:16] <neozen> xanxor: oh... goody
[21:16] <neozen> hehe
[21:16] <xanxor> : P thanks for your help
[21:16] <dcolish> xanxor: try looking at the .psw files in vim
[21:16] <xanxor> now it's just me vs the terminal
[21:17] <xanxor> vim?
[21:17] <xanxor> what's vim?
[21:17] <xanxor> sorry
[21:17] <dcolish> a text editor
[21:17] <neozen> dcolish: easy mon, he's just getting started
[21:17] <neozen> dcolish: don't go throwing vim @ him right away ;)
[21:17] <xanxor> okay. do I have to download and install that separately? I mean, is that hard? haha
[21:17] <dcolish> xanxor: goto your menu and look for mousepad
[21:17] <xanxor> uh...
[21:17] <xanxor> oh yeah opened that
[21:18] <xanxor> and you think that'll open psws?
[21:18] <xanxor> trying now
[21:18] <neozen> xanxor: well... if you're lucky... psw files contain plain text
[21:18] <xanxor> it just gave me a weird symbol
[21:18] <xanxor> {\pwi
[21:18] <neozen> binary file eh?
[21:18] <dcolish> looks like it
[21:18] <xanxor> if you say so. : P
[21:19] <xanxor> what are the implications of that?
[21:19] <neozen> xanxor: in terminal, switch to directory where you saved the tarball
[21:19] <xanxor> that's cd right?
[21:19] <neozen> xanxor: means we'll probably need to compile some application to read it...
[21:19] <neozen> xanxor: not any cd I've ever heard of
[21:19] <xanxor> well, the one I downloaded claims it can do that.
[21:20] <xanxor> oh I thought cd was change directory?
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: k
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: yep
[21:20] <xanxor> oh you were mocking me haha I get it
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: so cd to that directory
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: no....
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: you in the directory?
[21:20] <xanxor> uh. super dumb question: how do you tell it to go to the home directory?
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: cd
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: with no args
[21:21] <dcolish> xanxor: there should be a utility that you can use in this link. http://tuxmobil.org/pda_linux_palm.html
[21:21] <xanxor> ook
[21:21] <xanxor> er, ok
[21:21] <dcolish> xanxor: also try looking in synaptic, its under menu-> system
[21:21] <xanxor> well, this program says it does it so I guess I'll try it since I have it?
[21:21] <dcolish> you will have a tough time doing this compile, but if you're ready to learn go for it
[21:22] <dcolish> just saying you might find a precompiled binary in synaptic, always check their first
[21:22] <xanxor> well, I found instructions that say
[21:22] <xanxor> # tar xvzf package.tar.gz (or tar xvjf package.tar.bz2) # cd package # ./configure # make # make install
[21:24] <xanxor> haha first line of that and I get an error. I'll check synaptic. : P
[21:24] <xanxor> just thought I could feel proud of myself it it worked
[21:24] <xanxor> haha
[21:24] <dcolish> well its simple enough, but yeah synaptic is nice
[21:25] <xanxor> well you say it's simple but I'm proud if I can do anything with the terminal. cuz that's pretty much never happened.
[21:26] <dcolish> you'll get better with time. If you can't find anything I can step you through the build
[21:26] <xanxor> well I really appreciate that.
[21:26] <xanxor> ubuntu people are nice. I can stumble in here all "oh god halp" and you guys are being nice haha
[21:28] <dcolish> np, good luck
[21:28] <xanxor> okay so I looked through synaptic and couldn't find anything. the link you send is just for palm, mine is windows mobile 2003...
[21:29] <xanxor> I did tar xvzf unoconv-0.3.tar.bz2 to the file and it gave me the error gzip: stdin: not in gzip format tar: Child returned status 1 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[21:29] <dcolish> yeah because a bz2 is not a gzip, you need to run tar xjf
[21:29] <xanxor> oh okay
[21:30] <xanxor> okay sweet no error, I'll do the next steps and see how that goes
[21:31] <xanxor> okay I got to the step that says ./configure and it said bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[21:32] <knome> xanxor, what are you trying to install?
[21:32] <xanxor> something called unoconv, it's supposed to convert between all sorts of files but particularly psw to doc which is what I need
[21:34] <xanxor> but ./configure doesn't seem to make sense to my terminal.
[21:35] <knome> !unoconv
[21:35] <knome> !info unoconv
[21:35] <knome> is that what you need?
[21:35] <xanxor> yep
[21:36] <xanxor> it said the description on the site I downloaded it from that it converts from psw to doc, which is all I need (urgently).
[21:36] <knome> so, why don't you install it from synaptic/apt?
[21:36] <xanxor> oh. because I didn't find it there? I'll have another look I guess.
[21:36] <knome> you don't have to D/L from any sites.
[21:36] <xanxor> oh haha there it is
[21:36] <xanxor> go figure
[21:36] <xanxor> : P
[21:38] <xanxor> okay, that brings me to my other question: when I've installed an application, where do I find it and how do I run it if it doesn't appear in the Applications menu?
[21:39] <xanxor> I'd run it from the terminal but I don't know where it is.
[21:40] <xanxor> I mean I don't know where the application installed to.
[21:42] <volo> hi
[21:42] <xanxor> hi volo
[21:42] <dcolish> xanxor: open a terminal and typ unoconv
[21:44] <xanxor> unoconv: you have to provide a filename as argument Try `unoconv -h' for more information.
[21:45] <KlrSpz> i'm tryin to get synaptic to stop upgrading a package i've custom installed, but i've forced a version and locked it, and it always wants to upgrade.. .what gives?
[21:47] <dcolish> xanxor: follow the instructions that are output by the application
[21:47] <xanxor> you mean when you do unoconv -h?
[21:48] <volo> bye
[21:50] <xanxor> sorry, I gotta go for about 15 minutes. I'll be back pestering you guys soon I'm sure.
[21:55] <Sister_Blue> hello  could someone help me out  Does xubuntu run on a machine that has 128 ram?
[21:56] <knome> Sister_Blue, it can be quite slow, but it will run. you want most probably use the alternative cd to install.
[21:56] <Sister_Blue> where can i find the alternative cd to download ?
[21:57] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/get
[21:57] <knome> you will get to select the cd to download after you've chosen your mirror
[21:57] <Sister_Blue> knome thank you i am checking that link out
[21:58] <knome> Sister_Blue, the minimum "supported" ram is 192 though so you can experience some problems...
[21:58] <knome> Sister_Blue, and the min recommended is as much as 256
[21:59] <Sister_Blue> knome which version should I go with it has a 8.04.1 and 8.10 version out there ?
[22:00] <knome> Sister_Blue, i suppose you could have a better experience with the 8.04.1 one
[22:01] <Sister_Blue> knome  I think i read somewhere of a  ....  umm....   lightweight version of xubunu ?
[22:01] <knome> Sister_Blue, if you want absolute lightweightness, use the ubuntu minimal cd
[22:01] <knome> !minimal
[22:02] <Sister_Blue> i believe it said something about  64 mb ram  requirement for install ?
[22:02] <knome> Sister_Blue, yes, alt. cd requires only 64 megs of ram to install, but running the system after installing needs more
[22:02] <Sister_Blue> knome  how much to run the system after install without lags ?
[22:03] <knome> Sister_Blue, uhh... 512?
[22:04] <Sister_Blue> knome  will the minimum run on the 128 though ?
[22:04] <knome> Sister_Blue, the minimal will need also 192, if you install the complete xubuntu desktop with it
[22:04] <knome> Sister_Blue, but there you have alternatives, for example slim and lxde instead of gdm and xfce
[22:05] <knome> Sister_Blue, the minimal cd installs only the core system (not even graphical environment, if you don't want)
[22:05] <knome> Sister_Blue, then you can add stuff into it and of course, every package/thing has it's own requirements
[22:05] <Sister_Blue> knome  oh  is there a way to select that slim and lxde option on the installation cd
[22:06] <knome> Sister_Blue, i doubt that, but after you have installed the minimal installation, you can install them with "sudo apt-get install slim lxde"
[22:07] <Sister_Blue> knome where would i enter that sudo ....    (I am still learning -- newbie here)
[22:08] <knome> Sister_Blue, in the terminal/cli (command line interface)
[22:10] <knome> Sister_Blue, are you on that PC now or is it an another PC?
[22:10] <Sister_Blue> knome  i have not installed the other system yet
[22:10] <Sister_Blue> it is not on this pc but i have ubuntu here on this one now
[22:10] <knome> ok, so you can be online at the same time you are installind?
[22:10] <knome> *g
[22:10] <Sister_Blue> yes
[22:10] <knome> ok
[22:11] <knome> then i suggest you that you should try the minimal
[22:11] <knome> there is usually at least somebody who can help
[22:11] <knome> and with the minimal installation, you can ask #ubuntu as well
[22:12] <knome> so it's more likely you will get help soonish
[22:12] <Sister_Blue> knome thank you :)
[22:12] <knome> np. glad you're enjoying *ubuntu
[22:22] <Sister_Blue> knome the minimal package url is ubuntu mini package is this the same package as for the xubuntu minimal package?
[22:23] <knome> Sister_Blue, yes, as the minimal cd doesn't have any WM/DE installed by default.
[22:23] <Sister_Blue> ok   just wondering what does wm/de mean ?
[22:23] <knome> window manager/desktop environment, eg. gnome or xfce
[22:24] <knome> xubuntu is basically ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome
[22:24] <Sister_Blue> what is the difference between gnom and xfce ?
[22:25] <knome> hmm. there's no easy answer for that
[22:25] <Sister_Blue> do they look the same ? or work the same ?
[22:26] <knome> nope, they look a bit different and also work a bit different
[22:26] <Sister_Blue> do they both use a gui ?
[22:26] <knome> but in the end, they do the same work
[22:26] <knome> they *are* gui environments :)
[22:26] <knome> gnome/xfce is what controls your desktop
[22:27] <Sister_Blue> whew   i thought it was going to be back to the basics of line text type or something like that
[22:27] <knome> with the minimal cd, you can install CLI-only system ;)
[22:27] <dcolish> Sister_Blue: cli is better than gui, always has been always will be!
[22:30] <Sister_Blue> knomedcolish i'd rather use a gui environment -- seems less confusing to me
[22:30] <Sister_Blue> oopsss  knome and dcolish
[22:31] <knome> Sister_Blue, dcolish is just trying to confuse you. ;)
[22:31] <Sister_Blue> oh   and that is easily done since i am so "green"
[22:32] <dcolish> i prefer shock and awe
[22:33] <Sister_Blue> knome   again, thank you for all your,  i have downloaded that mini.iso file and am going to burn it now... unless there is something that needs to be done to the file first?
[22:33] <knome> Sister_Blue, nope. just burn it.
[22:33] <Sister_Blue> knome  :) thanks
[22:40] <knome> i will sleep now. see you tomorrow
[22:41] <Sister_Blue> knome goodnite and thanks again for your help  it is almost finished burning here :)
[22:41] <knome> great. good luck with the installation!
[22:41] <Sister_Blue> :)
[22:43]  * neozen pokes dcolish
[22:44] <neozen> dcolish: take it you helped out xanxor?
[22:44] <neozen> dcolish: had something blow up @ work ::sigh::
[22:45] <dcolish> neozen: he figured it out that synaptic is much easier, i knome helped too or TheSheep not sure
[22:51] <xanxor> hi guys, just as you've been dreading, I'm back
[22:51] <xanxor> if anyone is still here from before
[22:56] <xanxor> anybody want to help me with trying to use a program in the terminal? I'm trying to convert documents with unoconv and none of the commands seem to work.
[22:59] <dcolish> xanxor: did the unoconv have a man page? type man unoconv
[23:01] <xanxor> okay actually I figured out how to execute the command and it claims that it can't convert this file type, even though it specifically says it converts psw files.
[23:01] <xanxor> so basically I'm back to square one looking for a program that can.
[23:03] <dcolish> oh well duh, its only going to export openoffice files, not import them
[23:04] <xanxor> okay, well, it claims it can convert 'between' all the listed files.
[23:04] <xanxor> so I interpreted that to mean it can, you know, convert between them.
[23:04] <xanxor> I can't find anything that can do this.
[23:04] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: you are trying to convert what to what?
[23:05] <xanxor> psw to doc or pdf or anything readable by openoffice
[23:06] <neozen> hello again xanxor
[23:06] <Odd-rationale> what's psw?
[23:06] <xanxor> hi neozen
[23:06] <xanxor> the format used by pocket word
[23:06] <xanxor> I have a PDA which I can't sync on linux
[23:06] <xanxor> and even if I could it's currently not functioning terribly well
[23:06] <xanxor> so I have all these psw files on a CF card
[23:06] <xanxor> which I need urgently
[23:07] <neozen> xanxor: thought you'd found something to do it
[23:07] <dcolish> xanxor: according to some forms you can save them as .doc files on your pda
[23:07] <neozen> xanxor: you still have the source?
[23:07] <dcolish> neozen: he was trying to build unoconv
[23:07] <neozen> dcolish: ah
[23:08] <neozen> d'oh
[23:08] <xanxor> yeah, I found unoconv on synaptic and figured out how to use it and it doesn't work.;
[23:08] <xanxor> I could probably save them as doc on my PDA, if my PDA was working.
[23:08] <xanxor> it is currently in a state of Epic Fail
[23:08] <neozen> hmmmm... mother brain to the rescue (goes off to google)
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> that's what happens when you use a proprietary format... :P
[23:09] <xanxor> haha thanks. I've scoured google but as I mentioned before I'm not amazing at research apparently : P
[23:09] <xanxor> yes well, it's not my choice.
[23:09] <xanxor> linux is available for my device but not very well developed
[23:09] <xanxor> and considering the problems I'm having with it on my laptop with a very user-friendly distro, I'm not risking it : P
[23:09] <xanxor> well, not problems so much as learning curve, but still
[23:11] <neozen> xanxor: what does file think the files are?
[23:11] <xanxor> pardon?
[23:12] <neozen> xanxor: in a terminal, type file [nameoffilehere]
[23:12] <xanxor> oh okay
[23:12] <xanxor> 'data'
[23:12] <xanxor> well no kidding
[23:12] <neozen> xanxor: damn
[23:12] <xanxor> very informative
[23:12] <neozen> xanxor: data is what file says when you've fed it something it doesn't know
[23:13] <neozen> xanxor: knows quite a bit
[23:13] <xanxor> ugh
[23:13] <xanxor> I hate proprietary formats
[23:13] <xanxor> they exist to make life harder
[23:13] <neozen> xanxor: and their creators richer
[23:13] <neozen> xanxor: don't forget that
[23:13] <xanxor> that too.
[23:14] <xanxor> sigh.
[23:14] <xanxor> this isn't gonna happen, is it?
[23:14] <dcolish> xanxor: stop it, try this site http://media-convert.com/
[23:14] <xanxor> at least not until my PDA is up and running again.
[23:14] <xanxor> okay
[23:14] <n1ura> is anybody able to help me get a wireless usb card configured. i am completely new to xubuntu.
[23:15] <neozen> xanxor: does seem to have an input option for psw
[23:15] <xanxor> holy crap dear dcolish you are my new best friend love xanxor
[23:15] <neozen> xanxor: you may just be in luck..... got any classified stuff in there?
[23:16] <neozen> eheh
[23:16] <neozen> n1ura: might
[23:16] <xanxor> it's my physics notes
[23:16] <neozen> n1ura: what kind of card
[23:16] <xanxor> they can do with it what they will
[23:16] <neozen> xanxor: lol
[23:16] <n1ura> it is a Belkin Wireless G Plus MIMO USB Network adapter
[23:16] <xanxor> seriously dcolish thank you so much
[23:16] <dcolish> xanxor: always remember, dr google :)
[23:16] <neozen> n1ura: have you hit the ubuntuforums?
[23:17] <xanxor> haha I tried so hard honestly
[23:17] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: next time. take notes a hard piece of paper :D
[23:17] <n1ura> be warned, I am new to linux, thought I would give it a try.
[23:17] <neozen> n1ura: np
[23:17] <n1ura> no, this is the first place I have turned to.
[23:17] <xanxor> turns out I'm really bad at finding anything on google ever
[23:17] <xanxor> but I knew that already
[23:17] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: do you happen to have the windows drivers disc?
[23:17] <xanxor> Odd-rationale I may start obsessively printing, at least
[23:17] <neozen> n1ura: ok.... is usually a good practice to search the ubuntuforums with the make/model of hardware you're trying to get working... generally someone's already messed w/ it
[23:18] <xanxor> oh
[23:18] <xanxor> haha
[23:18] <xanxor> it converted
[23:18] <xanxor> to ################
[23:18] <xanxor> etc
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: does it open?
[23:18] <xanxor> yeah, as gibberish symbols
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: what did you convert it to?
[23:19] <n1ura> the belkin driver disk should be around here somewhere, but it is only for windows 2000
[23:19] <xanxor> .doc
[23:19] <xanxor> I'll try some other formats I guess
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: is that the disc you used when you were using windows?
[23:19] <neozen> xanxor: RTF!
[23:19] <xanxor> okay!
[23:19] <neozen> xanxor: lol
[23:19] <n1ura> no, because i have windows xp not 2000
[23:20] <n1ura> i had to download the correct driver
[23:20] <xanxor> neozen it's still rubbish
[23:20] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: oh ok... you know where you downloaded the drivers from?
[23:21] <xanxor> I think it'd probably be more useful to keep trying to google the formula I need
[23:21] <xanxor> all I need from my notes is one formula
[23:21] <n1ura> i can find the site again.
[23:21] <xanxor> I was just not finding it because I am apparently the worst at google
[23:22] <n1ura> i plugged in the usb adapter to see what would happen and the green light keeps flashing as if it was trying to make a connection, but that is all it does.
[23:22] <neozen> Odd-rationale: wait... don't tell me.... broadcom based card?
[23:23] <Odd-rationale> neozen: is it broadcom based? i was planning on ndiswrapper...
[23:23] <neozen> Odd-rationale: lol... ndis isn't needed for everything
[23:23] <neozen> n1ura: open a terminal
[23:23] <neozen> n1ura: type lspci
[23:23] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: can you pastebin the ouput of lsusb
[23:24] <n1ura> let me go grab the computer, i'll be back
[23:24] <Odd-rationale> neozen: well. if it is BC, then b43 might work... otherwise ndis usually does the job...
[23:24] <neozen> bah... am always stuck in verbose mode
[23:25] <neozen> Odd-rationale: perhaps ndis works better now then it used to
[23:25] <neozen> Odd-rationale: used to have nothing but problems w/ one of my cards under ndis
[23:25] <Odd-rationale> neozen: ndis was the way i got some of my cards to work... i guess it depends on your expereince... :P
[23:26] <Odd-rationale> my experience with ndis was pretty good.. :D
[23:26] <xanxor> okay, thanks guys, I'm gonna go try to find this formula.
[23:26] <xanxor> thanks for all your help (and patience)
[23:26] <dcolish> xanxor: good luck
[23:39] <n1ura> ok, i typed lspci
[23:40] <neozen> n1ura: ok.... did you stick the output in pastebin?
[23:40] <n1ura> is there a certain line you need or do you want all of what it says??
[23:40] <neozen> !pastebin
[23:40] <n1ura> how do i stick the output in pastebin??
[23:40] <neozen> n1ura: all of it... we'll find what we're looking for
[23:40] <neozen> n1ura: select text with mouse... right click... say copy
[23:41] <neozen> n1ura: then in webpage say paste...
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: are you on that computer right now? or on another?
[23:41] <neozen> heh...
[23:41] <neozen> good point
[23:41] <n1ura> i am on another computer.
[23:41] <n1ura> so i guess i'll have to type it all
[23:41] <neozen> n1ura: nah
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: is there a way you can wire that machin up?
[23:42] <neozen> n1ura: lspci |egrep "Network|Ethernet"
[23:42] <neozen> n1ura: run that
[23:42] <neozen> n1ura: that should catch them
[23:43] <n1ura> i wish there was a way to wire it up, that is kind of what i am trying to do in the first place. let me try that command.
[23:43] <neozen> n1ura: oh wait.... damn... its usb
[23:43] <neozen> n1ura: that won't work ::sigh::
[23:43] <Odd-rationale> lsusb
[23:43] <n1ura> yes usb
[23:44] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: does the device show up in lsusb ?
[23:44] <neozen> n1ura: you have anything in the list that looks like a network card?
[23:45] <neozen> sorry... I'll let Odd-rationale take over
[23:45] <n1ura> there are 8 lines, host bridge, isa brige, ide interface, usb controller, bridge, vga compatible controller, cardbus bridge (listed twice)
[23:46] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: what about the ouput of lsusb?
[23:46] <n1ura>  i have not typed the egrep command yet, didn't know if you said that wouldn't work or not
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: probably not.
[23:47] <neozen> n1ura: nah ... that won't work... just filters down the lspci list
[23:47] <neozen> n1ura: forgot your card is usb... so it won't show up in output of that command
[23:47] <n1ura> ok
[23:47] <neozen> !lspci
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: have you done lsusb yet?
[23:48] <neozen> ...they really should add something
[23:48] <n1ura> no, just type lsusb??
[23:48] <neozen> n1ura: yep
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: yeah. in a terminal
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> gtg bbl
[23:48] <neozen> k... I'll keep going then
[23:48] <n1ura> bus 001 device 002: id 050d:905b Belkin Components F5D9050 ver 3 Wireless Adapter
[23:49] <neozen> n1ura: aww goodie
[23:49] <neozen> thanks for typing all that
[23:49] <n1ura> Bus 001 devide 001: ID ld6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[23:49] <neozen> n1ura: I'll look in the forums
[23:50] <n1ura> ok, i'll let you look at that while I go feed the backyard critters. I shall return.
[23:50] <neozen> n1ura: usually w/ new hardware I just take whatever lspci or lsusb tells me and search for it on the forums
[23:53] <neozen> n1ura: have you tried clicking network manager icon?
[23:53] <neozen> n1ura: *left-clicking
[23:54] <neozen> n1ura: (small icon in system tray with two computers... and probably a red x)
[23:56] <n1ura> ok i am back
[23:57] <n1ura> i will try left clicking
[23:57] <n1ura> hey, that seems to be doing something constructive!
[23:58] <n1ura> i am now connected.
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: ok... good
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: lol
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: your card may indeed be supported
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: lol
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: your card was supported all along
[23:58] <n1ura> how about that! thank you very much!
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: next time.... check the docs for how to connect to a network
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: before hitting irc
[23:59] <neozen> n1ura: we're used to the REALLY tough ones ... like cards that don't work out of the box
[23:59] <neozen> n1ura: ehehe
[23:59] <n1ura> i'll have to give my friend a hard time, he should have told me that. he is the one that recommended xubuntu
[23:59] <neozen> n1ura: well.... it won't just connect right off the bat
[23:59] <neozen> n1ura: windows won't either