[16:34] <yeeve> Raulwynn, ok dude try go through the bits you can follow/uderstand and when you hit a wall let chat know and we might be able to help.
[16:34] <Southern_Gentlem> brunch875,  with winblows boxes yes
[16:34] <Southern_Gentlem> for everything else nfs
[16:35] <brunch875> Southern_Gentlem: clear and simple, thank you :)
[16:35] <Raulwynn> Alright. I made it further that time.
[16:35] <Raulwynn> yeeve, http://pastebin.com/f4mVFCcv
[16:36] <yeeve> blueking, interesting, do you use multiple term windows or something like tmux/screen?
[16:36] <blueking> started up another putty when it failed
[16:37] <yeeve> blueking, is the old putty window still open at all?
[16:37] <blueking> yes
[16:37] <Raulwynn> yeeve, Some of the commands failed prior but that's I imagine because I have installed those components before.
[16:37] <yeeve> chat, is it possble to log into a specific pts/?
[16:37] <blueking> how?
[16:38] <yeeve> blueking, try this: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/35524/what-can-i-do-when-my-ssh-session-is-stuck
[16:38] <yeeve> ~^Z (press ~ then Ctrl+Z) to suspend the connection and type a command locally (run the command fg to return to the SSH session)
[16:39] <Raulwynn> yeeve, I'm trying to install with a sudo -H real quick.
[16:40] <yeeve> Raulwynn, I think you only need sudo where the guide uses it, the virtualenv stuff should mean all the bits are install locally under your user so permissions shouldn't be an issue :S
[16:41] <yeeve> Raulwynn, can you try run gcc and see if it works/fails?
[16:41] <Raulwynn> yeeve, Can you clarify?
[16:42] <yeeve> Raulwynn, clarify the sudo bit or the gcc line?
[16:42] <Raulwynn> Do I run that in the virt env or terminal?
[16:43] <yeeve> the gcc line shouldn't matter, I think if something isn't in your venv it should look globally (not 100% sure, I always struggle with pip :P)
[16:43] <Raulwynn> I hate pip
[16:43] <RFleming> Is there any way to change the mount options for gvfsd-fuse?
[16:43] <yeeve> npm/composer/cargo aren't much better. I just wish everyone would adopt apt/repos regardless of platform/language
[16:44] <Raulwynn> There is lack of support on ubuntu repo and upgrading it is near impossible.
[16:44] <alPg0> Raulwynn, would the anaconda version work for you?
[16:45] <Raulwynn> alPg0 I am not sure that I can do/how to do conda but I'm up for learning.
[16:47] <alPg0> Raulwynn, I would really recommend trying anaconda. It is usually much easier due to the binary packages.
[16:47] <aatish910> nf
[16:48] <Raulwynn> alright let me try real quick
[16:48] <blueking> yeeve: how about reptyr PID ?
[16:48] <alPg0> Raulwynn, install miniconda: http://conda.pydata.org/miniconda.html
[16:48] <Raulwynn> Should I 2.7 or 3.5?
[16:49] <Raulwynn> alPg0
[16:49] <alPg0> Raulwynn, I would use python 3.5
[16:49] <mjeevan> \exit
[16:49] <nicomachus> Raulwynn: it's not hard to upgrade pip on ubuntu....
[16:50] <Raulwynn> nicomachus, It is not but I have both instances and get-apt commands won't work for some reason. never has with pip on this machine
[16:50] <nicomachus> get-apt?
[16:50] <nicomachus> you mean apt-get?
[16:50] <ignacio> Raulwynn, what do you mean by that?
[16:50] <ignacio> (pip not working)
[16:50] <max___> \whois Raulwynn
[16:51] <max___> \part
[16:51] <ignacio> ok
[16:51] <frib> I can't see audio devices in my settings panel.  How can I Fix this?  Any help apreciated, thanks!
[16:51] <nicomachus> frib: can you paste the output of "sudo lshw -C audio" to a pastebin and link here?
[16:52] <frib> nicomachus, You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[16:52] <nicomachus> frib: sorry, skip the -C audio part. just "sudo lshw"
[16:53] <frib> nicomachus, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23782446/
[16:53] <Raulwynn> ignacio, I have python 2.7 and Python 3.5 whenever I apt or apt-get install or upgrade *anything* revolving around pip, I get an error saying pip is not found
[16:53] <nicomachus> frib: sorry again... "aplay -l" is what I was looking for.
[16:53] <yeeve> blueking, I've not seen/used reptyr before. Did you read the stackoverflow post? did you try the tilde ~ command to try regain control of the "dead" putty window?
[16:53] <Raulwynn> alPg0, I have miniconda now.
[16:53] <ignacio> Raulwynn, pip2 and pip3 works?
[16:54] <nicomachus> Raulwynn: do you have pip installed?
[16:54] <frib> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23782452/
[16:54] <Raulwynn> I have pip installed, yes
[16:54] <frib> nicomachus, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23782452/
[16:55] <alPg0> Raulwynn, do the anaconda installation instructions from https://github.com/biolab/orange3 work?
[16:55] <nicomachus> frib: looks like 2 devices there. what does "find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep snd
[16:55] <nicomachus> show?
[16:55] <Raulwynn> conda command not found
[16:55] <Raulwynn> How do I enter the conda enviornment
[16:56] <Raulwynn> alPg0?
[16:56] <frib> nicomachus, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23782467/
[16:56] <frib> nicomachus, my sound works, the devices just don't show up in the settings panel
[16:56] <yeeve> Raulwynn, is there a bin folder inside the conda files you downloaded/installed?
[16:56] <YouRockBeastBoy> my teamviewer is 192 180 127 and my password 123456
[16:56] <Raulwynn> yes... just cd that folder?
[16:56] <nicomachus> Raulwynn: sudo apt install python-pip python3-pip python-dev build-essential
[16:57] <yeeve> if you cd to it you can run the bits you need but the "right" way would be to add the conda bin dir to your bath and source/. your .bashrc again
[16:57] <nicomachus> frib: that's... interesting. one sec.
[16:57] <Raulwynn> nicomachus, Already installed.
[16:57] <yeeve> s/bath/path/ xD
[16:58] <ioria> frib, using Unity ?
[16:58] <yeeve> nicomachus, Raulwynn is close to testing the conda way so maybe wait until he knows where he stands with that before trying to talk him through the pip way again
[16:58] <Raulwynn> yeeve, "if you cd to it you can run the bits you need but the "right" way would be to add the conda bin dir to your bath and source/. your .bashrc again" That went way over my head.
[16:58] <frib> ioria, the settings command is unity-control-center
[16:58] <nicomachus> Raulwynn: sudo pip install --upgrade pip
[16:59] <nicomachus> then: sudo pip install --upgrade vitrualenv
[16:59] <ioria> frib,  Systemsettings > Sound   ant look at bottom
[16:59] <frib> ioria, sorry I don't understand!
[16:59] <nicomachus> scratch that: sudo pip install --upgrade virtualenv
[16:59] <ioria> frib,  go in Systemsettings > Sound
[16:59] <frib> ioria, the sound panel in settings, output tab is empty
[17:00] <frib> ioria, as are all tabs
[17:00] <Raulwynn> What steps do I take to add the conda bin to "bath and source"
[17:00] <Raulwynn> @yeeve
[17:00] <YouRockBeastBoy> connect to my computer
[17:00] <alPg0> Raulwynn, try opening a new terminal window and type conda to see if it works
[17:00] <yeeve> Raulwynn, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26047/how-to-correctly-add-a-path-to-path
[17:00] <nicomachus> YouRockBeastBoy: please stop spamming. No one wants to see your desktop.
[17:00] <YouRockBeastBoy> my teamviewer is 192 180 127 and my password 123456
[17:01] <Raulwynn> alPgo, I opened a new terminal and something is finally happening
[17:01] <yeeve> once you edit your .bashrc you need to reload it using `source ~/.bashrc` or `. ~/.bashrc` to have it take  effect in that current logged in terminal
[17:02] <YouRockBeastBoy> please connect to my laptop
[17:02] <nicomachus> YouRockBeastBoy: stop.
[17:02] <frib> ioria, what should I do?
[17:03] <Raulwynn> yeeve alPg0 http://pastebin.com/Xn5bixYD
[17:03] <YouRockBeastBoy> why you mean?
[17:03] <k1l_> YouRockBeastBoy: please keep this channel clear for ubuntu support. thanks
[17:04] <nicomachus> YouRockBeastBoy: no one wants to see your Teamviewer, and you aren't even entering a real IP address.
[17:04] <YouRockBeastBoy> im 10 years old
[17:04] <nicomachus> ok bye.
[17:05] <yeeve> Raulwynn, do you actually have python 3.6 installed?
[17:05] <Southern_Gentlem> YouRockBeastBoy, then you are not suppose to be connected to this server
[17:05] <YouRockBeastBoy> no bye
[17:05] <YouRockBeastBoy> im on my ipad
[17:05] <Raulwynn> yeeve, at this point, I'm not even sure I have ubuntu installed...
[17:05] <Raulwynn> Okay let me check
[17:05] <nicomachus> lol
[17:06] <yeeve> Raulwynn, I know that feeling xD
[17:06] <frib> nicomachus, any ideas?
[17:06] <nicomachus> frib: not the slightest. it's odd.
[17:07] <frib> nicomachus, ahhhhhh should i just reinstall os?
[17:07] <nicomachus> that may be a bit extreme.
[17:07] <nicomachus> unless this is a fresh install.
[17:07] <frib> nicomachus, i am losing more time trying to figure out the solution
[17:07] <alPg0> Raulwynn, try running the conda commands outside the conda env. open a new terminal and paste in all the conda commands only without the source activate in between.
[17:07] <nicomachus> try rebooting first.
[17:07] <YouRockBeastBoy> my dad says get windows 10
[17:07] <frib> nicomachus, this has been going on for a while now, at least a month
[17:08] <Raulwynn> yeeve, How do I check python version. When I try a details or version tag, it gives me errors
[17:08] <ioria> frib,  audio is working but the card does not show up in tabs ?
[17:08] <frib> ioria, yes!
[17:08] <nicomachus> ioria: right.
[17:08] <ioria> frib,  aplay -l
[17:08] <yeeve> if you run python3 it shows the version at top
[17:08] <frib> no cards do, like I can't switch to hdmi because the option doesn't appear
[17:08] <frib> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23782604/
[17:08] <yeeve> `python3 --version` works for me
[17:08] <yeeve> Raulwynn, ^^
[17:09] <Raulwynn> yeeve I missed one of the dashes... To big of a hurry I suppose
[17:09] <alPg0> Raulwynn, I think the error happened because you ran the conda command while inside the orange3 env.
[17:09] <frib> ioria, if I plug in my headphones, the audio switches, but that's just automatic, i can't connect bluetooth devices
[17:09] <Raulwynn> yeeve, Oh, snap. I'm on 3.5.2
[17:09] <Raulwynn> alPg0, You are correct. It's running an installer now.
[17:10] <Raulwynn> *fingers crossed*
[17:10] <yeeve> Raulwynn, that's not a bad thing, I just wanted to see because the error mentioned 3.6
[17:10] <yeeve> Raulwynn, try follow alPg0 recommendation and see what happens
[17:10] <Raulwynn> yeeve, Is there a way to see if I have python installed multiple times?
[17:11] <yeeve> Raulwynn, there will be a way :S maybe `whereis python`
[17:11] <yeeve> for me it shows 3.5 and 2.7 versions
[17:11] <nicomachus> frib: you may try reinstalling the unity-control-center
[17:11] <frib> nicomachus, i tried!
[17:11] <nicomachus> frib: sudo apt install --reinstall unity-control-center
[17:11] <Raulwynn> Also, I would like clarification on how conda works... So it's in my home folder, and I can still run it like programs installed in a su drive? How does it work, where can I research? yeeve alPg0
[17:12] <frib> nicomachus, no effect!
[17:12] <nicomachus> frib: how about ubuntu-desktop? same process. apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[17:12] <frib> what is ubuntu-desktop?
[17:12] <yeeve> Raulwynn, sorry dude no idea about conda xD I thought it was similar to venv in that you get a special environment with the conda stuff available
[17:12] <Raulwynn> yeeve, I have like 30 different python dir
[17:13] <yeeve> Raulwynn, that's not good :P
[17:13] <frib> reinstalling...
[17:13] <nicomachus> frib: that's you're whole desktop environment.
[17:13] <alPg0> Raulwynn, anaconda is from continuum analytics: https://docs.continuum.io/anaconda/
[17:13] <frib> nicomachus, i use fluxbox
[17:13] <Raulwynn> yeeve, I have python2.7 and /python3.5m both in usr/bin dirs
[17:13] <frib> nicomachus, anyway I reinstalled it with no effect
[17:13] <frib> (ubuntu-desktop)
[17:14] <yeeve> Raulwynn, that's kind of what I expected so hopefully that's OK, I feel like if I'm not careful I'm going to make your issue worse because I don't understand much about conda or pip/venv
[17:14] <Raulwynn> alPg0, Thank you I will look them up. I feel that using a virtual type envoirnment would be really cool to work on projects without breaking the OS
[17:14] <nicomachus> frib: I'm pretty lost.
[17:14] <Raulwynn> yeeve, I agree
[17:14] <frib> you! hahah what does that say a bout me
[17:14] <alPg0> Raulwynn, anaconda has its own versions of everything in ~/miniconda3. It is largely independent of the host system.
[17:14] <Raulwynn> yeeve alPg0, If I can get orange to work after this. I'm not touching anything.
[17:15] <ioria> frib, fluxbox ? so you're not using unity ?
[17:15] <nicomachus> frib: you don't know me, I could be a 10 year old asking for someone to look at my teamviewer.
[17:15] <yeeve> Raulwynn, do you have access to virtualbox/VMs at all? When I was trying pip/npm and stuff for the first time I like to setup a VM I can nuke when stuff goes wrong or snapshot and revert certain bits for testing
[17:15] <yeeve> Raulwynn, this "orange3" better be worth it :P
[17:15] <frib> ioria, i am using fluxbox and the "unity-control-center" ap
[17:15] <frib> ioria, it always worked!
[17:16] <Raulwynn> I have three computs. I can run a VM on one. The idea never really appealed to me but I think for this instance I'll run a try. Also, I have no experience with VM on Ubuntu.
[17:16] <ioria> frib, but you installed ubuntu desktop, or what ?
[17:16] <minimec> frib: You need to start 'unity-settings-daemon' at the beginning of your session. Otherwise you cannot use the controlceter correctly.
[17:16] <Raulwynn> F*** yes! Orange is ready to go!
[17:16] <Raulwynn> alPg0 yeeve, Thank you guys!
[17:16] <ioria> frib,  if you switch to unity from the login screen ?
[17:17] <yeeve> Raulwynn, thanks awesome, I was doubting our abilities for a second there :D
[17:17] <Raulwynn> alPg0, You have more experience with conda. I may ask another favor of you.
[17:17] <frib> minimec, i never had to do that before. anyway I tried it now as you suggested.  My screen resolution changed and audio devices are still not present.
[17:17] <frib> ioria, i would have to disconnect from IRC
[17:17] <ioria> frib, cat /proc/asound/modules
[17:18] <Raulwynn> So I have orange pulled up here, there is no launcher or anything (I'm using my own custom launcher.
[17:18] <frib> minimec, upon trying to restore my screen res via control center: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files
[17:18] <Raulwynn> do I just set the terminal command as a launcher then because there's no "directory" for say
[17:18] <frib> ioria,  0 snd_hda_intel 1 snd_hda_intel
[17:18] <Raulwynn> alPg0 ^^^
[17:19] <ioria> frib,  ok,   grep cdrom /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:19] <frib> also this weird thing happens now where at some point a terminal will get stuck in the upper left hand corner of the screen, can't move it or close it (??)
[17:20] <yeeve> frib, if you press alt+f2 do you see a input box pop up?
[17:20] <frib> yeeve, yes
[17:20] <alPg0> Raulwynn, i would write a shell script that first does the "source activate orange3" and then runs the orange gui command and then create a launcher for that.
[17:20] <frib> ioria, # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 16.04 LTS _Xenial Xerus_ - Release amd64 (20160420.1)]/ xenial main restricted
[17:21] <yeeve> type in xkill and you'll get a X cursor, if you click on the term window it should kill it for you :) not sure why it sticks in the first place but this will atleast get rid of it :)
[17:21] <ioria> frib,  ok, so you have unity installed.... why don't you try from there ?
[17:21] <frib> ioria, ok ill brb then
[17:21] <Raulwynn> alPg0, How/where do I add the Orange icon for that?
[17:22] <Raulwynn> alPg0, Forget that I'll download it an do it manually.
[17:22] <minimec> frib: I use e17 as window manager and also used other environments. You either need 'gnome-settings-daemon' or 'unity-settings-daemon' to be able to use the gnome/unity control center. As default in ubuntu unity-settings-daemon is installed. It might be, that in your installation gnome-settings-daemon is installed. It depends on the install medium you used.
[17:22] <yeeve> Raulwynn, an icon which will show in your explorer window or an icon which shows in the startmenu or panel?
[17:25] <frib> ioria, the control center in unity can see my built in audio device
[17:25] <frib> ioria, but I still cannot connect to bluetooth devices there
[17:25] <frib> and I want to use fluxbox!
[17:26] <ioria> frib,  i don't think you can easily use unity app on fluxbox ....
[17:26] <frib> ioria, it always worked
[17:26] <frib> even if it doesn't I will use another app.  please advise!
[17:26] <Raulwynn> hey alPg0, It won't let me launch the command from the launcher
[17:26] <Raulwynn> it will in terminal but not through the launcher
[17:26] <ioria> frib,  something like gnome-sound-app or panel .... don't remember ....
[17:27] <nicomachus> gnome-settings
[17:27] <yeeve> Raulwynn, that can happen when the paths don't quite match up. In your terminal are you cd'ing to a specific folder to run it or just from your home?
[17:27] <frib> gnome-settings-daemon
[17:28] <Raulwynn> I'm running it in the "~" dir
[17:28] <nicomachus> also, gnome-panel
[17:28] <yeeve> Raulwynn, and what command are you running in the launcher? Do you know if the launcher settings has an option/input for "working directory"?
[17:29] <frib> nicomachus, gnome-panel adds the menu bar on my desktop
[17:29] <frib> gnome-control-center has like 2 things in it
[17:30] <Raulwynn> I run this "~$ orange-canvas" in the terminal it has no problems but when I click the same command in the launcher it dowsn't work.)
[17:30] <Raulwynn> I run this "~$ orange-canvas" in the terminal it has no problems but when I click the same command in the launcher it dowsn't work.) alPg0
[17:30] <alPg0> Raulwynn, you'll probably need to activate the conda env with "source activate orange3". I'd write a shell script.
[17:30] <ioria> frib,  have you tried pavucontrol ?
[17:30] <Raulwynn> Oh, my. I don't think I'm ready for this... What do I gotta do? alPg0
[17:31] <nicomachus> ioria: ah, that's a good solution.
[17:31] <ioria> idk
[17:31] <frib> ioria, nope but i just did now, seems good
[17:32] <yeeve> Raulwynn, in your home folder create a file called run-orange.sh and inside you will type the commands you need to source the orange env and then run your script. You can't call multiple commands/lines easily in the launcher so it's easier to write a single .sh file and run that via the launcher instead
[17:32] <frib> ioria, that solves that (i think).  But I am still able to pair bluetooth devices, but not connect to them.  What can I do for that?
[17:32] <pdfQuestion> Anyone familiar with XFA PDF forms? (like US federal tax forms)? I have one blank and one filled, and they are identical according to md5sum, sha1sum, diff, and cmp. ?!?!? Why???
[17:32] <yeeve> Your launcher command should then be "~/run-orange.sh" (not sure if relative paths work in launchers, I always use absolute paths in launchers, scripts and cron tasks just in case, so /home/username/run-orange.sh)
[17:33] <ioria> frib,  are in unity right now ?
[17:34] <frib> ioria, you know what I just realized?  I went to change my shortcuts to put in pavucontrol instead of unity control center and i noticed it was preceded by a "sudo".  So i thought hmm and took out the sudo and now unity-control-center works fine
[17:34] <frib> ioria, i am in fluxbox
[17:34] <nicomachus> LOL
[17:34] <ioria> frib,  ok, hcitool dev
[17:34] <frib> 	hci0	68:5D:43:B9:2F:7F
[17:34] <ioria> frib,  what is that exactly ?
[17:35] <Pickens> NIGGERS
[17:36] <frib> ioria, what do you mean?  i assume its a bluetooth adapter no?
[17:36] <ioria> frib,  sure ... but what ? :]
[17:36] <frib> ioria, you mean like the brand / model?
[17:37] <ioria> frib,  you know exist a lot of bt devices .... what's yours ?
[17:37] <Raulwynn> yeeve alPg0, You're right this program better be worth it.
[17:37] <frib> ioria, i don't remember!
[17:38] <frib> i think its an intel something...
[17:38] <Raulwynn> yeeve alPg0 is there a way like in WinDoze that I can locate the "orange-canvas" file?
[17:38] <frib> ioria, Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230
[17:38] <frib> pretty sure its that
[17:40] <ioria> frib,  and are you pairing an headset ?
[17:40] <frib> ioria, an amazon echo
[17:40] <frib> ioria, i could also try headphones but the result is the same
[17:40] <frib> the "ON/OFF" button is always greyed out
[17:40] <frib> it pairs fine with devices, but then they don't work
[17:41] <ioria> frib,  i see
[17:42] <stan_man_can> Anything wrong with installing mono? does it have any negative effects on your system?
[17:42] <ioria> frib,  sorry,  not very good at that
[17:43] <mapm> hello, is it possible to create a luks partition without randomization of the free space, and then randomize it when entering the new installed system? if so, how?
[17:43] <frib> ioria, :\
[17:44] <frib> ioria, another userful bluetooth connection app?
[17:44] <vlt> mapm: `cryptsetup luksFormat <partition>` will not randomize the whole partition.
[17:45] <vandana> can anyone help me out for resolving wifi issues? searched internet and tried everything but not luck. have rtl8723be card +ubuntu 16.04+latese 4.9.2 linux kernel
[17:45] <mapm> vlt, sorry, I meant encrypting the system in an ubuntu installation
[17:45] <frib> is there a way to initiate bluetooth connection to an already-paired device from ubuntu?
[17:46] <mapm> vlt, so, encrypted system without randomizing (takes a long time), and then, from the same new running system, randomize the free space
[17:48] <Raulwynn> alPg0 yeeve, I can't launch the sh file. I can run it in terminal but the launcher will not run it.
[17:49] <Raulwynn> I give up for now.
[17:49] <vlt> mapm: If you create a LUKS partition, move your system there, reboot (after making sure cryptsetup is in initrd) you can randomize anything you want youself.
[17:50] <Raulwynn> On to my next task. How to I unzip/install a tar.gz file?
[17:50] <mapm> vlt, thanks!
[17:52] <vlt> Raulwynn: man tar
[17:55] <Raulwynn> vlt, man tar?
[17:56] <timyp> Raulwynn this is a great post on using tar.zip https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-compress-a-whole-linux-or-unix-directory/
[17:56] <timyp> post back if you have any questions
[17:58] <timyp> *tar.gz
[17:59] <anonymous> hello
[17:59] <Guest79868> key
[17:59] <Raulwynn> Seems a lot simpler than I thought it would be, still working on it. I'm trying to stray from the ubuntu software center. I want to build a LFS system and that doesn't use the software center.
[18:00] <Guest79868> rly
[18:00] <sardior> anyone familiar with the problems with loading steam on Ubuntu 16.4?
[18:00] <znebwerx> hi all i have a very strange problem with my laptop
[18:01] <Raulwynn> znewberx, I have noticed that. I think they are encouraging those who know and understand linux to the Steam OS
[18:01] <Raulwynn> I've noticed that the games even, on the same hardware, whether a nongui linux vs Steam OS run literally twice as fast. znewberx
[18:02] <frib> it used to be that if I paired an audio device it would immediately connect and be usable.  Now I am able to pair only but the device remains unconnected (and unusable).  How to fix??
[18:02] <Speiros> Oh, I got my issue resolved...I went about it differently:D
[18:02] <znebwerx> sorry i dont understand, havent exposed it yet
[18:03] <Raulwynn> znewberx, What is the issue you're having?
[18:03] <sardior> I can run a script in a terminal window to make it work, but can't get the gui icon to work
[18:04] <znebwerx> when i power on my laptop it takes very long time to load bios , up to 20 minutes and more,
[18:05] <sardior> here's the script... rather short
[18:05] <sardior> LD_PRELOAD='/usr/$LIB/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/$LIB/libgcc_s.so.1 /usr/$LIB/libxcb.so.1 /usr/$LIB/libgpg-error.so' /usr/bin/steam
[18:05] <nacc> znebwerx: if it takes that long to load bios, something sounds like it is wrong with your computer, not an ubuntu issue
[18:05] <nacc> sardior: why are you using a script to load steam? the version from the partner repository?
[18:05] <nacc> sardior: s/partner/multiverse/
[18:05] <sardior> I loaded it and it doesn't work. starts to load and then quits
[18:06] <Raulwynn> znewberx, if your BIOS is taking that long to boot, that is far before the OS even loads, much before Steam boots. That would be a setting in your bios that is wrong, or a failed post test.
[18:06] <HexaChop> Speiros, you there/
[18:07] <znebwerx> ok thank you, i was just wandering if any diagnostics tool is suitable
[18:08] <Gamemako> znebwerx: It could be that you have something broken like duplicated invalid entries which just slowly time out-- have you checked efibootmgr -v for anything unusual?
[18:08] <bray90820_> Can you install ubuntu on a raspberry pi?
[18:08] <nacc> sardior: why are you changing how steam loads? what version of steam?
[18:09] <znebwerx> no, do i type it in a terminal?
[18:09] <sardior> I could try removing and reloading, this is the repository: http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/
[18:09] <sardior> @nacc Latest version as far as I know
[18:09] <nacc> sardior: can't really help at that point, steam is packaged for ubuntu in the multiverse repository
[18:09] <Gamemako> znebwerx: yes, and I believe you will also need sudo
[18:09] <nacc> sardior: for the version you are trying to use, you'd need to ask steam
[18:10] <DJones> bray90820_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi Hope that link helps, its not something I've done though
[18:10] <frib> anyone know how to get bluetooth audio devices to work in ubuntu?
[18:10] <znebwerx> ok tnx i proceeed immediately
[18:10] <sardior> Ok, I was just there but with only 17 asleep users I didn't get much response.
[18:10] <znebwerx> coomand not found
[18:10] <znebwerx> i use sudo
[18:10] <nacc> sardior: the steam repository isn't officially supported by ubuntu, that's a steam thing (equivalent to a PPA), they are the only ones that can provide support
[18:10] <znebwerx> sudo
[18:11] <znebwerx> sorry i used sudo
[18:11] <sardior> ok. Thank you, but it worked on my last LTS ubuntu.
[18:12] <sardior> I'll check with them.
[18:12] <znebwerx> my distro is kxstudio 1404
[18:13] <znebwerx> ok it was not installed , i have just installed it now
[18:13] <minimec> frib: I saw your question before. My suggestion is, to start a unity session first and see, whether you can connect to your bluetooth audio device. Afterwards, you could start to debug the problem with your fluxbox session. So.. first try if 'ubuntu default' is working... ;)
[18:13] <znebwerx> Fatal: Couldn't open either sysfs or procfs directories for accessing EFI variables.
[18:13] <znebwerx> Try 'modprobe efivars' as root.
[18:14] <frib> minimec, on it! thanks
[18:14] <Gamemako> znebwerx: I guess I should have asked first, how old is your machine? I suppose I take for granted that you're on an EFI BIOS these days
[18:14] <Joel> what's ubuntu's equivelant of kickstart?
[18:14] <nacc> Joel: preseed
[18:14] <znebwerx> yes it an i7 efi machine
[18:14] <BluesKaj> bray90820_, yes , ubuntu-mate has an arm image for raspberry pi https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[18:14] <nacc> Joel: although ubuntu has some support for kickstart as well, just not all of the syntax
[18:15] <bray90820_> BlueShark thanks
[18:15] <BluesKaj> bray90820_, also support in #raspberrpi chat
[18:15] <bray90820_> Thanks
[18:15] <BluesKaj> oops #raspberrypi
[18:16] <frib> minimec, unity has the same result (I actually tried it earlier when I was in unity and forgot!)
[18:16] <Joel> nacc thanks
[18:18] <minimec> frib: ok. As far as I remember the bouetooth device is recognized by the system right?
[18:18] <znebwerx> znebwerx@znebwerx-S551LB:~$ sudo efibootmgr -v
[18:18] <znebwerx> Fatal: Couldn't open either sysfs or procfs directories for accessing EFI variables.
[18:18] <znebwerx> what does itmean?
[18:18] <frib> minimec, yes pairs fine
[18:19] <minimec> frib: can you once do 'rfkill list all' in a terminal?
[18:19] <frib> minimec, it's always that "connect/create audio device" part that is the problem
[18:19] <frib> minimec, no soft/hard block
[18:21] <znebwerx> after more than 20 minutes of waiting, i always find linux booted and perfectly working
[18:22] <minimec> frib: ok. let's check pulseaudio. 'pactl list short sinks'
[18:22] <znebwerx> but no way to access the bios before it decides to boot
[18:22] <frib> pactl list short sinks
[18:23] <frib> minimec, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23782894/
[18:23] <minimec> frib: ok. So the device is not connected...
[18:24] <frib> minimec, no, paired then disconnects
[18:24] <frib> remains in the paired devices list
[18:25] <stan_man_can> I have a second hard drive used for storage and right now it mounts under my user instead of in the system, how do I change that?
[18:25] <minimec> frib: Can you remove it once and pair again? You probably did that before, but try to remove the device from the list of paired devices.
[18:25] <stan_man_can> issue is right now when I reboot my computer I have to go into disks and manually mount it
[18:25] <frib> minimec, i did it a bunch of times
[18:27] <Skaag> anyone here ever had to deal with a 3M USB Touchscreen?
[18:27] <Skaag> I managed to invert the axes and now when I touch the screen the cursor moves correctly across the axes
[18:28] <Skaag> however the numbers are off, so I run xinput_calibrator and I touch the corners, but the numbers it calculates are way off
[18:29] <minimec> frib: Can you check whether the 'pulseaudio-module-bluetooth' package is installed?
[18:29] <frib> ok
[18:30] <frib> minimec, pulseaudio-module-bluetooth is already the newest version (1:8.0-0ubuntu3.1).
[18:30] <minimec> frib: 'sudo -i pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover'
[18:30] <Raulwynn> How to I create a launcher for a program installed with miniconda? the terminal command is simply "orange-canvas" it works in terminal. It doesn't work with a launcher, It doesn't work with a shell script. Anyone?
[18:31] <frib> minimec, Connection failure: Connection refused
[18:31] <frib> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
[18:31] <stan_man_can> so my 2TB storage drive is /dev/sda
[18:31] <stan_man_can> if i type blkid nothing shows up for that drive
[18:32] <minimec> frib: 'pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover'?
[18:33] <frib> minimec, 27
[18:33] <JuJUBee> Trying to manage my music files currently have /MUSIC/Artist/Album/Song.mp3  How should I handle multi-disk sets?  Album (Disk 1)  or for the song have 1-01 Song.mp3?
[18:33] <JuJUBee> Just looking to see what others do about this?
[18:34] <Raulwynn> JuJUBee Place all songs with a 3 digit number
[18:34] <JuJUBee> where first digit is disk number and next 2 are track ?
[18:34] <Raulwynn> in one folder. I.E., 112 is CD 1 track 12 and 206 is CD 2 track 06
[18:35] <JuJUBee> Reason I am asking is that I had to download my entire library from Google Play Music cuz my HD died.
[18:35] <Raulwynn> the syntax is off but that's what I do. Like numbering hotel rooms.
[18:35] <JuJUBee> Google thought it would be nice to name all songs with a track number and some with disk-track
[18:36] <JuJUBee> +
[18:36] <Raulwynn> look into MonkeyMedia I think it is... If I remember correctly you may need to WINE it but it will search online metadata and you can rename and folder with one click. Super handy. I'm not on my media server right now or I would help you more. JuJUBee
[18:38] <Raulwynn> What exactly is newer, 16.04 or 16.10?
[18:39] <EriC^^> Raulwynn: 16.10
[18:39] <minimec> frib: Hmm... Have a look at this. I don't know whether removing/loading 'btusb' could be a solution... http://askubuntu.com/a/779934
[18:40] <Raulwynn> EriC^^ What is the difference? just slightly updated? I perfer the LTS model.
[18:40] <EriC^^> Raulwynn: yeah, same here
[18:40] <frib> minimec, i saw that, tried it
[18:40] <Raulwynn> EriC^^ Thanks bro.
[18:40] <EriC^^> Raulwynn: it also is just supported for 9months
[18:41] <minimec> frib: and this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/689281/pulseaudio-can-not-load-bluetooth-module-15-10-16-04-16-10?noredirect=1&lq=1
[18:41] <Raulwynn> Anyone know how to dd a xz file? the same as a gz I imagine?
[18:41] <EriC^^> Raulwynn: no problem
[18:41] <vandana> have wifi issue.. device (wlan0): link timed out  in syslog. power management is off still after a while wifi automatically goes down
[18:42] <frib> minimec, why does pactl work as user but not root?
[18:42] <frib> minimec, also wouldn't this module have to be loaded to pair, as I have done?
[18:42] <minimec> frib: Because you have a pulseaudio sessioni running as user...
[18:43] <frib> minimec, is that ok?
[18:43] <frib> minimec, also, don't I already have an X11 session runnig?
[18:43] <minimec> frib: Not for pairing. After pairing, pulseaudio should discover the paired device.
[18:43] <frib> minimec, oh i see "discover" by pulseaudio
[18:44] <ElectrumGuy> Hi all
[18:44] <ElectrumGuy> I have done this: "sudo crontab -e"
[18:44] <ElectrumGuy> in there, I entered this: * */1 * * * reboot
[18:44] <minimec> frib: These scripts will run @ boot. So you will have to reboot after these changes. Maybe backup the current files.
[18:44] <ElectrumGuy> I want the VM to reboot every hour
[18:44] <ElectrumGuy> however, it is not doing so.
[18:45] <koffeinfriedhof> ElectrumGuy: use absolute path
[18:45] <minimec> frib: On the other hand a reinstallation of pulseaudio would probably overwrite your changes to default settings.
[18:45] <frib> minimec, except I am not even able to connect -- so there is nothing for pulseaudio to discover
[18:45] <ElectrumGuy> koffeinfriedhof, what would the absolute path be for ubuntu 16.04/
[18:46] <ElectrumGuy> koffeinfriedhof, /sbin/reboot?
[18:46] <minimec> frib: So why would your device show up under 'paired devices'?
[18:46] <frib> minimec, i dont know it's strange.  It pairs then immediately ignores the device.  Connection is not possible.
[18:47] <koffeinfriedhof> ElectrumGuy: yes. and you should use @hourly or 0 * * * * to reboot every hour
[18:47] <frib> minimec, it seems like a bluetooth problem
[18:47] <ElectrumGuy> why would what I did not work?
[18:47] <koffeinfriedhof> ElectrumGuy: which reboot shows you the location
[18:47] <frib> in fact, the connect button is always greyed out
[18:47] <Combined2857> When are we going to get a fix for this bug ?  http://thehackernews.com/2016/11/hacking-linux-system.html
[18:48] <minimec> frib: Ok. If I remember well you tried two different bluetooth audio devices with the same result, right?
[18:48] <Combined2857> I can still get root access to my machine upon bootup by this hack, it needs to be fixed !
[18:48] <frib> minimec, what about this? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=141760
[18:48] <frib> minimec, yes i did
[18:49] <koffeinfriedhof> ElectrumGuy: perhaps it would. have a try :)
[18:50] <OerHeks> Combined2857, it is already fixed in (2:1.7.3-2) https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-4484.html
[18:52] <Combined2857> OerHeks: here it says needed  https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-4484.html
[18:52] <ElectrumGuy> thanks koffeinfriedhof
[18:52] <minimec> frib: What if you tried to connect your mobile phone once over bluetooth?
[18:52] <Combined2857> if its released why not push it into updates ?
[18:52] <frib> minimec, to my laptop you mean?
[18:52] <minimec> frib: yes
[18:53] <frib> minimec, it is paired like other devices
[18:53] <frib> connect button is greyed out for everything
[18:53] <frib> brb 1 sec gona reboot
[18:53] <minimec> frib: BUt can you send/recieve files then. Just to check that bluetooth is working.
[18:56] <frib> minimec, this has to be a problem with bluetooth itself, the driver
[18:57] <Combined2857> OerHeks: ???
[18:57] <Southern_Gentlem> frib, does you bluetooth have a hardware switch is it on?
[18:58] <minimec> frib: So that would mean that you have to dig some bugs for that intel wifi/bluetooth adapter of your computer.
[18:58] <frib> Southern_Gentlem, its integrated with my wifi chip, it's on, can pair, but unable to connect to devices after pairing
[18:58] <frib> it's a intel centrino wireless-n 2230
[18:58] <frib> always worked up until recently
[18:58] <frib> (although sort of indirectly)
[18:59] <OerHeks> Combined2857, seems like it is patched upstream, indeed
[18:59] <Combined2857> OerHeks: but why not in the distros ?
[19:03] <alexander1998> hello
[19:03] <onur_> selam
[19:03] <onur_> merhaba
[19:03] <sardior> Now I can't get "Ubuntu Software" to work. it starts to load and then quits.
[19:04] <k1l_> sardior: start it from terminal and see what errors it lists
[19:05] <sardior> kil_ -what is the actual file name?
[19:05] <k1l_> sardior: what ubuntu are you on exactly?
[19:05] <sardior> 16.4 lts
[19:06] <sardior> amd64
[19:06] <k1l_> ubuntu-software
[19:07] <OerHeks> Combined2857, no idea when the upstream update arrives, maybe it is in proposed already?
[19:08] <sardior> it's hung in terminal no messages.
[19:08] <Speiros> Just a thankyou to all on here for helping out where required.  Not only have I had a lot of the problems fixed, but I've found a wealth of new knowledge, and tools too.
[19:08] <k1l_> sardior: what did you do before that happend?
[19:08] <sardior> tried sudo ubuntu-software and still hung, no messages
[19:09] <k1l_> sardior: dont run gui programs with sudo
[19:09] <sardior> Well, I tried it because some of the gui programs work that way too.
[19:09] <Speiros> merhaba onur_  How are you?
[19:09] <k1l_> sardior: sudo will make a mess with your file permissions.
[19:10] <Speiros> Oh, he's gone.  One disadvantage of turning that off...
[19:11] <sardior> ya, if I'm working on gedit on a root file it keeps it there. and if I'm working on a personal file I have to change the permissions back to mine. I understand that
[19:11] <k1l_> sardior: try to rename the .local/share/gnome-software/   folder and see if it starts again afterwards
[19:11] <k1l_> sardior: :/ dont use gedit with sudo
[19:11] <sardior> rename it to what? "old"
[19:12] <k1l_> yes
[19:12] <sardior> been working command line for a long time. I understand the gotcha's.
[19:13] <k1l_> i dont know why people claim to have experience with cli and then run gui programs with sudo :/
[19:14] <MichaelP> What does ubuntu do different to kernels then other distro's ? I can boot kernel 4.9.2 from mainline... But anyother distro like Opensuse Arch.. can't 4.9 with out using acpi=off
[19:14] <k1l_> Combined2857: the cve is still disclosed. maybe there is no single patch available to backport it to the versions in use
[19:15] <jatt> different patches
[19:16] <jatt> see: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9.2/
[19:16] <MichaelP> jatt: i always thought mainline was an unpatched kernel
[19:16] <sardior> ok, ubuntu-software came up. Thank you k1l_
[19:16] <k1l_> MichaelP: this eyplains something and got links to more information: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37147/what-are-the-differences-between-the-ubuntu-shipped-kernel-and-the-upstream-kern
[19:16] <jatt> it has patches applied on top of it
[19:16] <MichaelP> ok
[19:16] <blueking> yeeve  got it fixed :)
[19:16] <sardior> because I've been using linux since 1998 and had an amiga computer since 1985
[19:16] <slicktux> 0.0
[19:18] <Combined2857> ty k1l_ and OerHeks
[19:18] <Skaag> sardior: we have a similar history, except I had an old Apple II instead of an Amiga (couldn't afford the Amiga)
[19:19] <Skaag> but I did play with Amiga at friend's places
[19:19] <Speiros> I have an amigo, if that's any consolation...
[19:19] <Speiros> Probably not I guess...
[19:20] <sardior> Apple II was a great computer.
[19:20] <sardior> for its time
[19:20] <sardior> Amigo is the guy version lol
[19:20] <Skaag> I sold it for $200, and felt really bad doing it
[19:20] <Speiros> lol:D
[19:21] <sardior> ok. I have the ubuntu-software working. Thank you k1l_
[19:21] <MichaelP> I bet those 2 computer today move like a old lady with a walker.....
[19:21] <sardior> now I need to try to get Steam working on this computer.
[19:22] <sardior> MichaelP: worse!!! they's be walking backwards... lol
[19:22] <alkisg> if you put dos to an 8086, it'll still go fast :D
[19:22]  * alkisg did that a couple of years ago...
[19:22] <MichaelP> lol
[19:23] <sardior> dos, amigados, slackware, etc all ran very fast on very slow computers. it was the gui that slowed everything down.
[19:23] <sardior> Now I would like to figure out how to get my steam app working on this freaking computer. lol
[19:24] <sardior> talk about a gui cpu hog.
[19:25] <ppf> sardior: just install it?
[19:25] <sardior> I've tried and it won't install right.
[19:26] <k1l_> sardior: with proper informations on what exactly doesnt work, someone could actually help you. put those messages into a pastebin
[19:27] <sardior> I'm just getting my system back to a point where I can do that. I've been trying things posted on the internet for a while now.
[19:27] <sardior> give me a minute to gather things together again.
[19:28] <sardior> using ubuntu software to install the steam_latest.deb.
[19:30] <sardior> tried clicking on the icon and it stops midway, going to cli (no not sudo).
[19:32] <sardior> http://pastebin.com/vJyXti6Y
[19:33] <k1l_> better use sudo dpkg -i some.deb to install a deb
[19:34] <ppf> mh, the usual
[19:34] <ppf> sardior: run with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose
[19:35] <sardior> http://pastebin.com/VdMkVe0U
[19:36] <sardior> With the following script (only one line) steam will run:
[19:37] <sardior> LD_PRELOAD='/usr/$LIB/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/$LIB/libgcc_s.so.1 /usr/$LIB/libxcb.so.1 /usr/$LIB/libgpg-error.so' /usr/bin/steam
[19:37] <ppf> yeah
[19:37] <ppf> or, find libstdc++.so.6 in the steam folder
[19:37] <ppf> and delete it
[19:39] <ppf> k1l_: any idea who the maintainer of the steam package is?
[19:39] <ppf> they should fix that at some point ...
[19:40] <minimec> ppf: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/steam
[19:40] <k1l_> ppf: valve :)
[19:41] <ppf> darn :)
[19:41] <sardior> I found the file in three places in the steam folders. I deleted them all, but there are associated (same name with longer extensions) files in there too.
[19:43] <sardior> omgoddess, it lives!!!!!!
[19:43] <sardior> Thank you pff!!!!
[19:43] <ppf> welcome
[19:43] <sardior> been fighting that one for days!
[19:44] <sardior> See you guys again!!! Thank you for being there and helping!
[19:45] <ppf> k1l_: it's maybe the tenth time i've answered that question. maybe it's time to teach ubottu to? :)
[19:45] <coffeeguy> updates yay \o/
[19:49] <Touchman> Hello I have a question about Ubuntu touch is that okay here
[19:50] <OerHeks> Touchman, join #ubuntu-touch for support please
[19:51] <lasersaber> what's a good dvd ripper?
[19:52] <ioria> !info handbrake
[19:53] <Speiros> See you folks:)
[19:53] <coffeeguy> handbrake is nice
[19:53] <lasersaber> thanks ioria
[19:53] <ppf> DVD, how oldschool
[19:53] <ioria> np
[19:54] <lasersaber> ppf, lol
[19:57] <countingdaisies> Has anyone heard of problems downloading the standalone evolus pencil deb for ubuntu? I had troube with it a few months ago and now I'm trying again and having problems.
[19:58] <countingdaisies> Is there an alternative source / way to get the latest standalone Pencil installed on 16.04?
[20:00] <countingdaisies> it isn't in software center
[20:00] <jatt> install from source
[20:02] <lasersaber> !burner
[20:06] <maret> Hi everyone, any tip of (even paid) speech to text recognition which is not pain in the ass to setup ? Rightnow the best I found is speechpad.sw works good in browser but cant make it work on dekstop thanks
[20:08] <ioria> !info simon
[20:08] <countingdaisies> I need to find something out about this and I don't really have a starting point? Who is the developer for it or any starting point. The thing is being promoted for download but the links themselves are broken for months? Is the guy in prison? Is he even aware that the links are broken? Pencil is almost a household name (its like saying vim or git for god sakes). If someone came in here...
[20:08] <countingdaisies> ...saying git downloads were broke this place'd have a shit fit!
[20:08] <countingdaisies> I don't know how to approach something like this
[20:12] <nicomachus> !language | countingdaisies
[20:13] <ppf> countingdaisies: download from the website works fine for me
[20:13] <nicomachus> countingdaisies: look up the package from Launchpad and look for the maintainer. Send them an email.
[20:14] <nacc> countingdaisies: 'promoted for download' where? it's not ubuntu's job to make every project out there functional. Afaict, that pacakge is not an ubuntu package, so is not relevant here.
[20:17] <countingdaisies> ppf: hey thanks for the check. are you referring specifically to: http://pencil.evolus.vn/dl/evoluspencil_2.0.5_all.deb   which comes from clicking the red download button at the homepage here: http://pencil.evolus.vn/Default.html      ?
[20:17] <countingdaisies> nacc: ^
[20:18] <k1l_> countingdaisies: talk to the pencil guys about that. that is out of ubuntus support area
[20:18] <ppf> no idea. i quickly navigated the page to all linux downloads
[20:18] <countingdaisies> ppf: if there is another source you went to I like to know
[20:19] <countingdaisies> ppf: that one was also dead for me but with a different error page (different looking). I think the problem is with something missing or misconfigured on my system (or else how would it work for you and not me)?
[20:19] <ioria> countingdaisies,  iirc it'a also a firefox extension
[20:21] <countingdaisies> ioria: I installed that ff extension two mos ago when I tried to do this the last time. The extension installed fine but when I tried to open it wouldn't ever launch. I never knew why so I removed it.
[20:21] <ioria> i see
[20:21] <k1l_> countingdaisies: did you try to talk to the project?
[20:22] <maret> ioria: so I've tried it and this is def. not an easy to setup , I would have to have basic understanding of speech recognition domain. speechapd you pretty much install hit start recording and it has pretty good accuracy. Only problem is that I have to copy the text to editor
[20:22] <countingdaisies> k1l_: I would love it but I don't see any contact available through the main site: http://pencil.evolus.vn/Default.html   I'm not sure where to look beyond that or how to start.
[20:22] <ioria> maret, https://www.maketecheasier.com/simon-linux-speech-recognition/
[20:23] <k1l_> countingdaisies: on wiki, licensing is an email
[20:23] <countingdaisies> k1l_: ty so much - I wasn't finding anything
[20:24] <k1l_> countingdaisies: or use github: https://github.com/evolus/pencil
[20:26] <designbybeck> Installed the new snap on 16.04 for Inkscape. It seems the aspell/dict aren't there
[20:27] <designbybeck> How do Snaps work along those lines? Does the Inkscape Snap need their own aspell/dict?
[20:30] <wmwm> OK so I've installed debian in the past so I have at least some linux knowledge but it's been a while. I'm trying to install ubuntu on my laptop it says success but it booted back into windows
[20:31] <wmwm> basically grub didn't install and this laptop two hard drives and between that and the partitions I'm walking in the dark looking for a light switch
[20:31] <nacc> designbybeck: better asked in #snappy, but a snap carries all its dependencies with it
[20:31] <nacc> designbybeck: internal to the snap
[20:31] <designbybeck> and that would include things like dict nacc?
[20:31] <designbybeck> I don't know anything about them, I'm just trying to learn
[20:32] <designbybeck> I'll check out #snappy as well
[20:32] <wmwm> if anyone can help it'd be greatly appreciated if not I'm sure I'll find it out eventually
[20:32] <ioria> wmwm, i think you need to boot a livecd and paste  sudo parted -l    .... some could help
[20:32] <ppf> designbybeck: ya. snaps are selfcontained
[20:32] <nacc> designbybeck: it includes anything hte snap packager said was necessary for the application
[20:33] <wmwm> OK I have ubuntu on a flash drive so I can boot into that
[20:33] <designbybeck> gotcha... thanks ppf and nacc
[20:35] <wmwm> so I get a warning saying the block size is 2048 bites but linux says it's 512 bytes
[20:35] <ioria> wmwm,  sudo parted -l |nc termbin.com 9999
[20:36] <wmwm> I think it's talking about my flashdrive
[20:36] <k1l_> wmwm: yes, that is from the usb pendrive
[20:37] <wmwm> temporary failure in name resolution and the same warning
[20:38] <hussein> hi
[20:38] <ioria> wmwm,  does the command give you an url ?
[20:39] <wmwm> nc: getaddrinfo: temporary failure in name resolution warning : the driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048
[20:40] <ioria> wmwm, can you install pastebinit ?
[20:41] <wmwm> with apt get?
[20:41] <ioria> yep
[20:43] <blueking> best way to have access to mediashare(movies) for my kids ?
[20:43] <blueking> read only ofcourse
[20:43] <nicomachus> !plex | blueking
[20:43] <wmwm> what's root pass on live cd? when I use su do it says unable to execute
[20:43] <k1l_> blueking: start a dlna server like minidlna
[20:43] <nicomachus> erg. no factoid for Plex. check it out there. Or XMBC
[20:43] <blueking> currently using acryan mediaplayer
[20:43] <k1l_> wmwm: use sudo
[20:43] <ioria> wmwm, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:44] <blueking> later I will put up pc with kodi
[20:48] <ducasse> blueking: never heard of acryan, but almost every mediaplayer can get data from minidlna and it's fairly simple to set up. kodi can also work as a dlna server.
[20:48] <wmwm> OK got it
[20:49] <ioria> wmwm,  sudo parted -l | pastebinit
[20:49] <blueking> media files are on ubuntu server on mine user
[20:52] <wmwm> sorry Ioria I see what you're getting at but now it just gave me the warning and it won't give me the urn I'm guessing it wants me to type ignore or cancel
[20:52] <ioria> wmwm,  ignore
[20:53] <wmwm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23783579
[20:54] <MikeSee> I'm trying to understand pipes a little better, when I run `cat /dev/urandom | base64 -i -w0` it goes forever, if I add `|head -c500` it stops at the 500 characters.  What would be the best reading to help understand how the last item in the chain closes the process?
[20:54] <ioria> wmwm,  ok, so you booted the ubuntu media in efi mode ?
[20:56] <alkisg> MikeSee: you tell head to stop at 500 characters, that's what stops the pipe
[20:56] <wmwm> I'm not sure what that means. I think that's what windows uses to skip bios checks and I was supposed to install ubuntu with it too?
[20:57] <kmdude344> oi
[20:57] <MikeSee> alkisg: I thought that was the case, but I guess I meant; how does head communicate back up the pipe to stop sending data -- or does head simply stop accepting data after that -c value, and that closes it?
[20:57] <kmdude344> apparently spotchat servers are being shutdown for maintenance rn
[20:58] <ioria> wmwm,  when you install ubuntu in dual boot with windows in efi mode, you have to share the efi/esp partition on your system, /dev/sda1
[20:58] <alkisg> MikeSee: head stops, so cat no longer has a pipe end to write its output to, it gets a message "pipe closed" from the os, so cat then stops too
[20:59] <ioria> wmwm,  you need to 'add an entry' in that partition
[20:59] <MikeSee> alkisg: Okay, so it essentially chain-reactions back up the chain with closed pipes, and each one closes in turn.  thanks :)
[21:00] <wmwm> OK. I gotta get ready for work I really appreciate your help.
[21:00] <wmwm> but does that mean I need to reinstall?
[21:00] <wmwm> also the ubuntu install was really simple I don't remember it saying anything like that
[21:01] <ioria> wmwm,   i think you just need to reinstall grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[21:02] <ioria> wmwm,   ls /sys/firmware/efi | pastebinit
[21:03] <wmwm> OK sec
[21:04] <ioria> wmwm,   oh, sorry, you need to mount your linux partition
[21:05] <wmwm> can not access
[21:05] <ioria> wmwm,   sudo mount /dev/sda9/  /mnt
[21:05] <wmwm> OK done
[21:05] <ioria> wmwm,   then   ls /mnt/sys/firmware/efi | pastebinit
[21:06] <wmwm> you are trying to send an empty document. exiting
[21:07] <wmwm> wait
[21:08] <wmwm> yea it gives me an error
[21:08] <ioria> wmwm,   cd /mnt/sys/firmware/efi
[21:09] <ducasse>  /sys is not part of a real filesystem
[21:10] <ioria> oh
[21:11] <ducasse> you need to use /sys on the live image
[21:11] <wmwm> yea no such file or directory
[21:11] <ioria> wmwm,   btw, that's not important
[21:12] <ioria> wmwm,    ls /mnt/boot | pastebinit
[21:13] <wmwm> I'm confused lol. sorry I'm not better at helping you help me
[21:14] <wmwm> before this install I tried debian and somehow I installed grub on my flash drive. so grub has been steady kicking my ass
[21:14] <ioria> wmwm,    no output ?
[21:14] <kmdude344> wait is 12.04 still being suported?
[21:14] <wmwm> got ir
[21:15] <ioria> wmwm,    what is 'ir' ?
[21:15] <k1l_> kmdude344: untill april
[21:15] <wmwm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23783657/
[21:15] <blueking> I was thinking about to make samba share...
[21:15] <wmwm> that was a typo got it is what I meant
[21:15] <kmdude344> ah, i thought it had been killed already.
[21:16] <blueking> I have samba share for my user but want to add other people to same share with only read permissions
[21:18] <ioria> wmwm,    did you choose 'install ubuntu alonside windows ' in the patitioner or what ?
[21:18] <wmwm>  yes
[21:19] <wmwm> at least I thought I did
[21:20] <ioria> wmwm,    i think you need to reinstall grub
[21:21] <wmwm> yea that's what I was thinking. I just don't know the correct place to install it
[21:22] <wmwm> I'm scared I'll install it on my USB drive again lol.
[21:22] <ioria> wmwm,    /dev/sda1 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Boot_repair_after_a_Windows_Upgrade_on_Ubuntu_14.04_.28non-RAID.29
[21:22] <alkisg> wmwm: what's the summary of the issue? you install ubuntu and can't boot into it?
[21:22] <wmwm> correct
[21:22] <alkisg> wmwm: are you on a live cd now?
[21:23] <wmwm> yes
[21:23] <wmwm> try ubuntu on a USB drive
[21:23] <alkisg> What's the output of: sudo lsblk --fs; ls /sys/firmware/efi;
[21:23] <alkisg> Put that to pastebin...
[21:24] <ioria> wmwm,   right now you have only you linux partition mounted in /mnt , you need to mount also /dev/sda1
[21:25] <zargonovski_> hi
[21:26] <wmwm> can not access sys/firmware/efi no such file or directory
[21:27] <alkisg> wmwm: that means that you are not booted in efi mode. What about the first part?
[21:27] <alkisg> (an example is that if you boot CDs in non-efi mode, and trying to install in an efi pc, grub won't get properly installed)
[21:28] <skinux> I need help figuring out why my machine lags like shit when I run my headless VM.
[21:28] <alkisg> wmwm: so, try this: sudo lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:28] <alkisg> This will show us if your pc is efi or not
[21:28] <wmwm> so when you copy in linux I thought you just high listed the text
[21:28] <skinux> I have 4G RAM, 4G SWAP, VM is set to use only 1G RAM. I'm really wondering WTF is wrong here.
[21:29] <k1l_> skinux: if the machine is using swap, it will be super slow.
[21:30] <wmwm> http:// paste.ubuntu.com/23783709
[21:30] <k1l_> skinux: and when the cpu doesnt have the proper features for virtualization, that it will be slow, since it will need more cpu power to let the vm run.
[21:31] <alkisg> wmwm: yup, it's a gpt disk with an efi partition in it. So the basic problem is the way you made the cd or usb stick, or the way you configured your firmware, and the live cd does not start in efi mode, so grub then can't be installed correctly
[21:31] <alkisg> wmwm: you need to boot properly (i.e. to see /sys/firmware/efi) and reinstall ubuntu
[21:31] <skinux> k1l_: how do I find out if the machine fully supports virtualization?
[21:32] <wmwm> OK so boot into windows delete all linux partions
[21:32] <wmwm> and then what? sorry
[21:32] <k1l_> skinux: look at the cpu flags
[21:32] <alkisg> wmwm: no, you can delete them from the installer
[21:32] <alkisg> wmwm: how did you create your boot medium? is it a stick or a cd?
[21:33] <k1l_> skinux: and look at free output if you are using swap
[21:33] <blueking> how to dig out mac address of an device with known IP ?
[21:34] <pavlos> skinux, there could be a bios setting or look at /proc/cpuinfo for vmx (intel) or svm (amd) flags
[21:34] <wmwm> it's a USB stick I used by using win32diskimager to write the iso to it
[21:34] <skinux> I see I have 822MB free RAM and 1300 free SWAP
[21:34] <skinux> So, if I boot the VM I'm probably then doing everything using SWAP instead of actual RAM.
[21:35] <alkisg> wmwm: use another tool that generates an image that can be booted in uefi mode, this one apparently can't do it
[21:35] <alkisg> wmwm: for example, `dd` works fine, i.e. just dumping the ubuntu.iso to the stick
[21:35] <wmwm> I'm not sure what that means exactly
[21:35] <yaourt> hi can anyone tell me if their is away to make the left bar and move it towards the bottom?
[21:35] <alkisg> wmwm: do you have another usb stick handy?
[21:36] <wmwm> no I don't. this one is USB 3.0 does that matter?
[21:36] <k1l_> yaourt: on unity? yes
[21:36] <yaourt> ubuntu the latest version.
[21:36] <alkisg> wmwm: this will probably work: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[21:36] <boriseto> How can I delete all the saved WiFi networks and start over? :)
[21:37] <alkisg> wmwm: make sure to select "or uefi" there, not just "bios", see the screenshot
[21:37] <dinet> I have a problem with some wordpress sites loading really slow. is there a way to see where things slow down?
[21:37] <yaourt> k1l_: do you have a link?
[21:37] <pavlos> yaourt, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/03/ubuntu-16-04-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom/
[21:37] <yaourt> thank you.
[21:37] <k1l_> yaourt: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom
[21:38] <yaourt> thank you guys.
[21:38] <embrik> Does anybody know about clonezilla and drbl in Ubuntu 16.04
[21:38] <embrik> ?
[21:38] <wmwm> OK. I was reading that windows uses fast boot to skip some bios stuff to make it appear to boot faster. is that part of the reason I'm running into problems?
[21:39] <wmwm> before this ubuntu install I tried debian an it worked but the grub was installed to the flash drive so I decided to start over with ubuntu.
[21:40] <alkisg> wmwm: normally you won't need to change anything in the firmware options. In some cases, you might need to disable fast boot and even secure boot. Your goal is to see the /sys/firmware/efi directory from the live usb stick
[21:41] <alkisg> wmwm: I'm guessing that you just selected the wrong tool to create the stick, and rufus will make a fine usb stick for your efi computer.
[21:41] <embrik> alkisg: rufus works fine
[21:42] <wmwm> OK. I got to work for about 7 hours. I'll be back. thank you very much everyone
[21:42] <alkisg> np
[21:43] <wmwm> you guys are way nicer than any of the debian or freebsd or android people.
[21:44] <alkisg> wmwm: i'm also running debian, hope I don't have multiple personalities... :D
[21:45] <wmwm> lol. thanks again you too ioria
[21:48] <dankjankem> hello
[21:48] <dankjankem> do any of you have experience with KDE?
[21:49] <k1l_> dankjankem: yes. but there is also the #kubuntu channel
[21:49] <zargonovski_> hey
[21:49] <zargonovski_> alkisg, can you help me out with something ?
[21:49] <zargonovski_> do you have an idea about Zpanel
[21:49] <dankjankem> oo o
[21:49] <dankjankem> ok
[21:49] <dankjankem> thanks
[21:50] <blueking> how to reload dhcpd.conf file after added some  IP's ?
[21:50] <blueking> blueshark exists in ocean ?
[21:51] <zargonovski_> blueking, lol :)
[21:52] <blueking> but how to restart dhcpd server ?
[21:52] <blueking> tried stop restart ++
[21:53] <BlueShark> blueking: everywhere.
[21:53] <zargonovski_> sudo service dhcp restart
[21:53] <zargonovski_> or dhclient ethx
[21:53] <zargonovski_> to force it renew ip
[21:57] <blueking> aren't it service dhcpd restart ?
[21:57] <zargonovski_> yrs
[21:57] <zargonovski_> yes
[21:57] <blueking> it failed
[21:57] <zargonovski_> typo missed d
[21:57] <zargonovski_> okey
[21:58] <zargonovski_> try
[21:58] <zargonovski_> dhclirnt ethx
[21:58] <nacc> blueking: if it failed, then you need to investigate why it failed.
[21:59] <blueking> dhclient are for wan side  dhcpd on lan side
[22:00] <blueking> Can't open /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases for append.
[22:00] <nacc> blueking: did you use sudo (or as root)?
[22:00] <blueking> am as root
[22:01] <nacc> blueking: can you pastebin the command and exact output?
[22:02] <blueking> think I have to check this out  <bug>  https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/
[22:03] <k1l_> blueking: what ubuntu do you have exactly? what do you want to do?
[22:03] <blueking> 16.04  ubuntu server
[22:03] <blueking> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1543794
[22:03] <blueking> think I've been killed by this one :P
[22:04] <tatertots> blueking: or human error
[22:04] <blueking> this human are perfect ;)
[22:05] <k1l_> blueking: usually you restart the network
[22:05] <blueking> ok
[22:06] <momken> Hello
[22:06] <blueking> to get the new conf file active ?
[22:06] <k1l_> sudo service networking restart
[22:06] <momken> Has anyone here worked with pkcon (terminal command for PackageKit)?
[22:07] <momken> I want to ask some questions about getting prettier outputs from pkcon
[22:08] <nacc> k1l_: that would be true for the clients, but not normally (aiui) for hte DHCP server itself
[22:08] <k1l_> nacc: was he talking about a server? i did understand he meant the client.
[22:09] <k1l_> blueking: you are running a dhcp server? or are you talking about the client?
[22:09] <nacc> k1l_: perhaps, aiui, blueking was talking about server restart
[22:09] <nacc> err, reload, I mean
[22:10] <blueking> running pc router  ;)
[22:10] <blueking> need to restart dhcpd
[22:11] <blueking> or have dhcpd.conf file reloaded
[22:11] <k1l_> so you want to restart the dhcp daemon
[22:12] <Przhevalskoye> hi all ;)
[22:12] <blueking> yes
[22:12] <k1l_> sudo service dhcpd restart
[22:12] <blueking> Failed to restart dhcpd.service: Unit dhcpd.service not found.
[22:14] <k1l_> i guess the service is named differently
[22:14] <k1l_> sudo service isc-dhcp-server restart
[22:14] <Przhevalskoye> sudo service dhcp restart
[22:14] <Przhevalskoye> thats should do it
[22:15] <blueking> it was service isc-dhcp-server restart
[22:15] <Przhevalskoye> ah
[22:24] <sethj> Am I allowed to use the etherpad instance at etherpad.ubuntu.com? Does anyone here know?
[22:25] <sethj> (I have the appropriate permissions to access it)
[22:25] <k1l_> sethj: as ubuntu member, yes
[22:25] <blueking> are there ways to force devices renew their ip's ?
[22:25] <Przhevalskoye> if you have the permission, why not
[22:25] <sethj> k1l_, cool! Is that documented anywhere?
[22:25] <AutinDroid_> AutinDroid
[22:27] <blueking> Przhevalskoye  how ?
[22:27] <internetman> Hello good people. Today I installed Ubuntu Server on a machine that has a tiny Jensen usb wifi dongle which uses the rt2800usb driver. It worked automatically during install, but now after I cannot get it to work. Does anyone have an idea how to troubleshoot? All the answers I've found on google has been to little help unfortunately.
[22:29] <internetman> And there is light on the wifi dongle itself, so its definately On.
[22:29] <k1l_> sethj: hmmm, i thought it was on the ubuntu wiki page for membership. i guess you should ask the community team
[22:29] <sethj> k1l_, okay. I'll do that (I just checked the wiki page myself)
[22:31] <Przhevalskoye> blueking, try dhclient (interface)
[22:31] <Przhevalskoye> for example dhclient eth0
[22:32] <VulcanJedi> I'm having broken dependency trouble http://paste.ubuntu.com/23783964/
[22:32] <Przhevalskoye> otherwise try dhclient -r (interface)
[22:34] <k1l_> VulcanJedi: ah that broken kde package again
[22:35] <VulcanJedi> k1l_: has that been a thing?
[22:36] <Przhevalskoye>  yuuup
[22:36] <k1l_> VulcanJedi: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_4%3a15.12.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[22:38] <VulcanJedi> k1l_: praise the sun!
[22:38] <momken> Hello
[22:38] <momken> Anyone here worked with pkcon?
[22:38] <momken> the CLI interface for PackageKit
[22:40] <internetman> "ifconfig" outputs three different interfaces, e.g. "eno1". but "sudo ifup eno1" yields "Uknown interface eno1". What can cause this?
[22:44] <budder> hello
[22:45] <budder> i'm a linux noob. i installed ubuntu for the first time and it has been running kinda slow, so i was suggsted lubuntu. I loaded lubuntu iso on my usb
[22:45] <budder> but installer kept crashing
[22:45] <budder> now i can't load into windows because boot order is set to usb first, and if no usb it goes to grub (i think) which i dont know how to use
[22:45] <tatertots> internetman: let's pretend there's a %1 chance things aren't as your perceive they should be, what exact or specific network related problem are you facing with ubuntu?
[22:47] <budder> i'm a linux noob. i installed ubuntu for the first time and it has been running kinda slow, so i was suggsted lubuntu. I loaded lubuntu iso on my usb. but installer kept crashing. now i can't load into windows because boot order is set to usb first, and if no usb is inserted it goes to grub (i think) which i dont know how to use
[22:48] <internetman> tatertots: i just installed ubuntu server and a pc with a wifi dongle using the rt2800usb module. the wifi worked automatically during install, but after I cant get it to work. the interface shows up with "ifconfig" but i cant figure out how to get it to connect again. i have tried to configure /etc/network/interfaces with no luck :(
[22:48] <internetman> ubuntu server on a pc*
[22:48] <internetman> tatertots: and it looks like theres nothing to manage it, like network-manager
[22:52] <tatertots> internetman: you have internet access by some other means on this ubuntu system ?
[22:52] <internetman> tatertots: unfortunately i only have access to wifi (big warehouse). i am chatting on another machine.
[22:54] <internetman> tatertots: wpa_supplicant is installed though
[22:55] <Shadowmm> use that
[22:55] <tatertots> internetman: laptop or desktop?
[22:55] <Shadowmm> auto wlan0
[22:55] <Shadowmm> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[22:55] <Shadowmm>     wpa-ssid mynetworkname
[22:55] <Shadowmm>     wpa-psk mysecretpassphrase
[22:56] <Shadowmm> change wlan0 to the name of your adapter
[22:56] <Shadowmm> in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:56] <Shadowmm> ifconfig wlan0 up
[22:57] <Shadowmm> http://askubuntu.com/questions/271378/ubuntu-server-how-to-connect-to-wireless-wpa2-personal-network
[23:00] <Ateu> good evening everybody
[23:01] <internetman> Shadowmm: that did the trick. its been a while since ive been setting up linux without a GUI so the wlan0->actual interface name flew over my head earlier. thank you very much for the help!
[23:01] <internetman> tatertots: i also thank you :)
[23:02] <Ateu> greetings from brazil
[23:05] <Shadowmm> internetman: np
[23:06] <prappl93> I'm not sure if this is a question for here or dd-wrt's channel, but I'm having issues getting my KVM guest to hit the internet through the bridge I've set up using the KVM software
[23:06] <prappl93> It had been working before I had switched my router to dd-wrt. I did make sure to enable a route to the host machine on the router.
[23:07] <internetman> Shadowmm: now that the interface is working im getting very bad performance, during install the performance was fine though. but i will duckduck this for myself abit :)
[23:10] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[23:11] <Bubba> hey
[23:13] <Bubba> troy__: hey
[23:35] <budder> guys how do i load xubuntu on my USB stick? i tried dragging the ISO on the stick but startup just skipped over the USB and went straight to windows even though I had adjusted boot order to USB first
[23:37] <budder> what file type to select when creating USB drive with xubuntu iso?
[23:38] <pavlos> internetman, sudo iwlist scan | grep Quality ... what's the number?
[23:38] <Bashing-om> budder: One has to copy the .iso as an image. What system are you on now ?
[23:38] <budder> Bashing-om: i'm on windows now.  i realized I just dragged the iso to the USB which obviously wouldn't work. I have just downloaded rufus though
[23:39] <internetman> pavlos: sorry im currently reinstalling because I changed my mind about having lvm with encryption. I can get back to you shortly :) it does seem like this will help though https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2344916
[23:39] <k1l> budder: yes, rufus will make it work
[23:39] <USER_____> hello pips
[23:39] <FoeHammered> I want to mod the files of a game, but I can't find the blasted things. The game runs great, which it couldn't do without a fair amount of other stuff helping out. How do I find out what files a given program is using where?
[23:40] <USER_____> How can I customize my Quassel?
[23:40] <budder> kil
[23:40] <budder> what file type?
[23:41] <Walex> FoeHammered: 'man lsof'
[23:41] <budder> killer: what file type?
[23:41] <k1l> budder: what do you mean?
[23:41] <FoeHammered> Walex: Will try that.  Can I override this setting?
[23:51] <nacc> himag: rather than do that in the channel, if you're going to query many pkgs, do that in a /query ubottu
[23:52] <FlamesElite> I just need help to get this stupid password to reset
[23:52] <FlamesElite> or just ban this account?
[23:52] <Speiros> FlamesElite You're putting a space before the /
[23:52] <Ben64> FlamesElite: join #freenode
[23:52] <k1l> FlamesElite: join #freenode and ask there
[23:52] <Ben64> this is ubuntu support, not irc support
[23:52] <FlamesElite> okay mofo
[23:52] <himag> FlamesElite
[23:52] <himag>  : what's the issue bro
[23:52] <himag> ?
[23:52] <nacc> FlamesElite: you were told to ask #freenode, this is not an ubuntu support question
[23:52] <FlamesElite> this is why linux is at 2%
[23:52] <Speiros> * rolls eyes at FlamesElite
[23:53] <neeca> hello, little noob question: how can i write a little script for ubuntu that does 2 simple terminal commands 'cd ~/PATH' and './do.sh' and put it on my desktop? :)
[23:53] <FoeHammered> Okay. So. Thanks, nacc. However it uses its files, it doesn't use them in a way that shows up here, which means... I guess I won't find them by asking what files the program's pulling from.
[23:53] <FoeHammered> But hey. This was a useful skill to learn.
[23:53] <FoeHammered> Thanks, Walex, nacc.
[23:53] <Ben64> neeca: why don't you just put do.sh on your desktop?
[23:54] <nacc> FoeHammered: right, `lsof` just lists files currently open
[23:55] <nacc> FoeHammered: but it could have spawned other processes, etc.
[23:55] <neeca> path dependency in that file (not my thingy... its the inetelliJ IDE)
[23:55] <nacc> FoeHammered: but, I would think, for most games, what you need is the source, not the files currently open
[23:56] <Ben64> neeca: you should just be able to run ~/PATH/do.sh
[23:56] <FoeHammered> nacc, any idea why it was suggested? Is it simply the closest thing available? In order for this game to run, it needs to read from game files elsewhere, such as a SoldierName text file that it employs to randomly select soldier names by nationality.
[23:56] <FoeHammered> Which happens to be the file I wanna edit.
[23:57] <nacc> Ben64: unless the script (dumbly) needs CWD to be ~/PATH/ ?
[23:57] <nacc> FoeHammered: your question was too vague to know it would or would not be an answer? :)
[23:57] <Ben64> would need a better script
[23:57] <FoeHammered> Crud.
[23:57] <nacc> FoeHammered: so more than likely, for that case, it opens the file and then closes it
[23:57] <nacc> Ben64: agreed :) just guessing based upon context
[23:58] <FoeHammered> nacc: Ah. It's hardly the only file, but that'd make the window for finding *any* files it uses for that purpose pretty small.
[23:58] <promet> Has anyone noticed recently compiz acting up, i.e. the rendered desktop, seemingly, randomly loosing mouse interaction capability in some windows, and other general weirdness and sluggishness?
[23:58] <Ben64> promet: nope
[23:58] <gustavohmsilva> Hi guys! Whatsup!!! I'm making a shellscript for my reversible laptop (you know, that one that turn into a tablet), and he is already awesome and up and running (I've made the shell script and an installer script available on github, feel free to use it if you need it for some reason).
[23:58] <promet> I don't think I've ever had to run "compiz --replace" in my entire Ubuntu "career", as I have had to in the last two months
[23:59] <promet> Ben64, thanks, hmmmm, must be gremlins...
[23:59] <neeca> tbh: i'm not looking for a workaround... wanna know how i do a simple script i can run with double-click that would run terminal command(s) :/ pretty new to linux :)
[23:59] <Kirkland_Signatu> gay people should be bombed
[23:59] <Kirkland_Signatu> big leagiue
[23:59] <promet> Compiz is usually so transparent, got wonky recently though.


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[09:45] <mymy_> I installed ubuntu on a lenovo idea pad 330.  there is no option to turn on wifi.  guess i need a wifi driver.  which one and how to install ?
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[08:33] <m0j0dj0dj0> hi, does anyone got a stuck pad pointer issue on gnome ?
[14:34] <jbicha> ricotz: vala 0.36 is in artful now https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala
[14:37] <ricotz> jbicha, \o/
[14:38] <ricotz> 0.36.4 is around the corner
[14:47] <jbicha> that's fine, no new packages so that should be easy :)


[01:06] <AndyP> @schedule london
[01:06] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: 26 Jun 14:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 16:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 13:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 21:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Jun 12:00: MOTU Team
[01:16] <bashelier> @schedule Paris
[01:16] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 26 Jun 15:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Jun 13:00: MOTU Team
[06:12] <sacater> hey, is the sort of place I can chase up my membership application, it was approved and the only thing thats happened is I am now a member of 'ubuntu members' on launchpad
[06:14] <gnomefreak> sacater: what were you expecting?
[06:15] <sacater> gnomefreak: @ubuntu.com email address
[06:15] <gnomefreak> sacater: for a cloak you need to see seveas but since he isnt here try nalioth, your email is most likely set up
[06:15] <sacater> hmm
[06:15] <gnomefreak> sacater: it uses whatever email you LP account uses
[06:15] <sacater> i know
[06:15] <gnomefreak> sacater: did you have someone try to send it than?
[06:16] <sacater> no
[06:16] <Hobbsee> sacater: you're using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[06:16] <sacater> someone send me one
[06:16] <sacater><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:16] <sacater> should be that
[06:17] <sacater> anyone sent one?
[06:19] <gnomefreak> sacater: sent
[06:19] <Hobbsee> sacater: sending
[06:20] <sacater> okies
[06:20] <sacater> let me check
[06:21] <sacater> aha!
[06:21] <sacater> IT DOES WORK!
[06:21] <sacater> THANK YOU JEBUS!
[06:21] <sacater> ty gnomefreak and Hobbsee
[06:21] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:21] <gnomefreak> yw
[07:37] <Toadstool> @schedule Los_angeles
[07:37] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: 26 Jun 06:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 08:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 05:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Jun 04:00: MOTU Team
[07:38] <Toadstool> 4am, great!
[07:38] <nixternal> heh
[07:39] <nixternal> 06:00 here, so I am sure I will either a) be going to bed at that time, or b) in the middle of a killer dream
[07:39] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[07:39] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 26 Jun 23:00: Community Council | 27 Jun 01:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jun 06:00: Xubuntu Developers | 29 Jun 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Jun 21:00: MOTU Team
[07:39] <Hobbsee> hiya Toadstool
[07:39] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: !
[07:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:39] <Toadstool> how is it going? :)
[07:40] <Toadstool> core-dev, eh? nice
[07:40] <Toadstool> congrats
[07:40] <stgraber> @schedule zruich
[07:40] <stgraber> @schedule zurich
[07:40] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 26 Jun 15:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Jun 13:00: MOTU Team
[07:51] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: yeah, rather :)
[07:51] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: going well.  exams are done now - yay!
[07:51] <Toadstool> g'night
[07:53] <lamalex> night


[02:56] <Darxus> [    19.879] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[02:56] <Darxus> [    19.880] (II) LoadModule: "radeon"
[02:56] <Darxus> I replaced my nvidia card with a radeon.    How do I fix it?  This is Precise.
[02:57] <Darxus> Jockey says no proprietary drivers are installed.
[03:52] <bjsnider> Darxus, you're kidding me. you replaced an nvidia card with an ati card?
[03:55] <Darxus> I did.
[03:56] <Darxus> Jockey ended up deciding to install fire gl drivers.  Fortunately things are sane in my main install, oneric.  I have no idea what's going on with the drivers in precise.
[03:58] <bjsnider> this is one of those john mcenroe-type "you cannot be serious" moments
[03:58] <bjsnider> it's like saying you replaced a ferrari with a pinto
[03:59] <bjsnider> ah, just remove nvidia-current, reboot, and enjoy
[03:59] <Darxus> I did, it didn't help.
[04:00] <Darxus> That was about when jockey thought fire gl drivers would be good.
[04:00] <Darxus> Maybe when I get a chance I'll re-install precise.
[04:02] <bjsnider> didn't help what?
[04:03] <Darxus> It's still either not successfully booting, gerally with the normal boot option, or when I do the recovery boot it's saying the card is not dri capable or something, and supertuxkart is extremely slow.
[04:03] <Darxus> I replaced an nVidia GeForce 8800 GT with an AMD Radeon HD 6870.  Largely because I appreciate their efforts on open source drivers.
[04:10] <bjsnider> ok, well, they haven't done a document release in something like 3 years
[04:11] <bjsnider> they do employ some open source developers though
[04:11] <bjsnider> as far as i know that card isn't supported yet
[15:10] <Darxus> bjsnider: Then you're pretty well behind on how much AMD has been doing on open source drivers.
[15:13] <Darxus> This particular card was fully supported by the radeon driver in Natty.
[17:56] <bjsnider> Darxus, if you don't need it for gaming the radeon driver is fine. but int hat case you've got a lot of horsepower for nothing
[18:46] <JanC> bjsnider: the unused horsepower is even worse with nouveau though...   ;)
[18:46] <mlankhorst> pssh, only because it's stuck on boot speeds
[18:46] <bjsnider> i've been using low-profile type cards for awhile. nouveau is fine
[18:48] <JanC> or was, maybe (certainly was when I bought my ATI card)
[18:48] <JanC> but that's only a Radeon HD 4350...
[18:49] <JanC> and was almost 2 years ago IIRC
[19:38] <bjsnider> JanC, yeah nouveau is pretty good these days. no tearing, video playback, stable, fast etc.


[14:56]  * stgraber agrees with the comment in ubiquity/keyboard_names.py...
[14:57] <stgraber> or rather d-i/make-keyboard-names :)
[14:59] <cjwatson> heh, yeah
[14:59] <cjwatson> not particularly great for memory use
[15:00] <cjwatson> maybe at some point it should be written to some kind of more easily parseable form and then we can just read the bits we need
[15:00] <stgraber> I'm trying to figure out how "German - German (qwerty)" exists in the .pl and not in the .py and why generating the .py on my machine makes the file about 35k lines shorter than it's on the CD (though mine contains German - German (qwerty)) :)
[15:01] <stgraber> I initially thought that bug 953328 was specific to the KDE frontend but it's definitely not, it's just that the GTK frontend doesn't crash
[15:01] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 953328 in ubiquity "Kubuntu 12.04 Beta 1: ubiquity crash at keyboard selection" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953328
[15:03] <stgraber> ok, with a clean environment I now get the same .py as the buildd but it misses the qwerty variant for German ...
[15:11] <CIA-32> os-prober: cjwatson * r334 ubuntu/ (11 files in 6 dirs): merge from Debian 1.50
[15:12] <stgraber> and calling d-i/make-keyboard-names by hand afterwards gives me a different output which contains the german qwerty keyboard... /me diggs some more to figure out the difference
[15:13] <CIA-32> os-prober: cjwatson * r335 ubuntu/ (2 files in 2 dirs): btrfs will no longer show up as fuse, thanks to the grub-mount improvements in 1.50
[15:17] <CIA-32> os-prober: cjwatson * r336 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.50ubuntu1
[15:22] <stgraber> wondering if the problem is that the list we show comes from debconf and so uses d-i/source/console-setup/Keyboard/KeyboardNames.pl but the list we ship as .py is d-i/source/console-setup/Keyboard/MyKeyboardNames.pl
[15:23] <stgraber> if so, we probably should have the UI filtered to only show things that are in the .py
[15:23] <stgraber> because currently we're showing keyboard layouts/variants that X won't support so even without the crash it just wouldn't work ...
[15:24] <stgraber> cjwatson: does that make sense? ^ (before I start hacking the code to filter what we show)
[15:24] <cjwatson> I think so, but if they're out of sync then it sounds like console-setup needs to be updated too
[15:24] <cjwatson> I mean, it should also only be asking things that X will support
[15:25] <cjwatson> fixing it in ubiquity might be at the wrong level
[15:25] <cjwatson> though I don't object to defence in depth as such
[15:25] <cjwatson> but a fix in console-setup would fix the "just wouldn't work" part for the alternate installer too
[15:25] <stgraber> well, the we probably should probably stop generating d-i/source/console-setup/Keyboard/MyKeyboardNames.pl from ubiquity and instead do no change-uploads of console-setup + ubiquity rebuild
[15:26] <stgraber> *then
[15:27] <cjwatson> I thought console-setup also generated MyKeyboardNames during its own build
[15:27] <cjwatson> maybe it hasn't just been updated for a while?
[15:28] <stgraber> 16 weeks ago according to LP
[15:29] <stgraber> I'll try a rebuild, see if that solves the problem in my VM
[15:31] <cjwatson> it's a little awkward that ubiquity both uses console-setup as part of its own build and also depends on it
[15:32] <ev> cjwatson: regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/645818 do you recall why we didn't just upload an old syslinux as syslinux-$verson and have usb-creator use that in the case of 10.04?
[15:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 645818 in usb-creator "Unknown keyword in configuration file: gfxboot" [Critical,Confirmed]
[15:32] <cjwatson> wasn't that one of the options I suggested? :-)
[15:32] <ev> I remember us having a conversation about it, but I can't for the life of me remember what the decision was. If we were blocked on release freeze or what.
[15:37] <cjwatson> it's possible we talked about shipping a copy of syslinux in the usb-creator source itself, or something
[15:37] <cjwatson> but either option is basically equivalently gross as far as I'm concerned :)
[15:38] <cjwatson> I can't remember what we were blocked on last time, if anything; might just have been time ...
[16:09] <ev> heh, okay
[16:09] <ev> I've added it to my todo list. I'll endeavor to get to it tomorrow
[16:15] <stgraber> ev: did you have a chance to rebuild wubi?
[16:15] <ev> stgraber: apols, it fell out of my brain
[16:15] <ev> doing it now
[16:17] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5259 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py): Rework previous change to simply ignore None values in callback
[16:18] <stgraber> ok, so we should have a working manual partitioner now...
[16:21] <stgraber> cjwatson: the console-setup rebuild did the trick here, uploading it now
[16:21] <cjwatson> cool, thanks
[16:22] <CIA-32> console-setup: stgraber * r430 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.70ubuntu3
[16:38] <stgraber> bdmurray: is there an easy way to tell LP that I want all the bugs with "ubiquity crashed with" in there title? the search seems to be pretty useless at that
[16:39] <stgraber> google is better at it but can't give me a list of open bugs :)
[16:41] <bdmurray> stgraber: I might have something like that which uses the api
[16:43] <stgraber> bdmurray: that'd be nice because these are the kind of bugs that are usually trivial to look at and fix (as they contain a clear reference to the code)
[16:44] <bdmurray> well then wouldn't tagging them something better as one could then use the launchpad search?
[16:44] <cjwatson> you could search for the apport-crash tag or whatever it is
[16:45] <bdmurray> well not all crashes got tagged apport-crash as ubuntu-bug was being called for a while
[16:47] <ev> clearing a ton of old bugs off my assigned list
[16:48] <ev> no sense blocking other people from working on things I'm not currently looking at
[16:48] <ev> installer bugs, that is
[16:48] <stgraber> yeah, I had a quick look at the current tags applied to these bugs and didn't find one that matches them all
[16:48] <stgraber> apport-crash would work if it was used for all of them (and as bdmurray said, it's not :( )
[16:49] <bdmurray> but we could go through and add the tags where appropriate and have the bug bot do this as it reviews new ones
[16:51] <ev> stgraber: wubi-r263.exe up
[16:52] <stgraber> ev: thanks
[16:52] <ev> sure thing
[16:52] <stgraber> bdmurray: having the bug bot spot python tracebacks and tag the bug would be nice indeed
[16:53] <stgraber> bdmurray: that'd probably make a list of easy bugs for next week too I guess
[16:54] <bdmurray> stgraber: I was also thinking it could tag them with the location of the traceback if possible e.g. ubi-webcam
[16:55] <stgraber> bdmurray: yep, that'd be nice indeed
[17:00] <jibel> stgraber, no segfault with build 20120315. looks like it's fixed.
[17:01] <jibel> stgraber, but I got bug 955844 today.
[17:01] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 955844 in casper "French selected in Ubiquity greeter but US keyboard layout in the live session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/955844
[17:07] <stgraber> jibel: is that also happening without the persistence?
[17:07] <stgraber> I "think" I fixed the issue with the persistence when the layout is selected in gfxboot
[17:08] <stgraber> but I didn't look at what the greeter exactly does, I'm guess changing the language should trigger the keyboard indicator and change the layout there, but I'm not too familiar with that part yet
[17:08] <jibel> stgraber, no, but  let me try again without persistence
[17:15] <stgraber> jibel: I'm kind of hoping you'll get the same bug without persistence, otherwise I'm really not sure what's going on ;)
[17:19] <jibel> stgraber, ok, same problem without persistence
[17:19] <stgraber> good :)
[17:20] <stgraber> there isn't really any keyboard logic in that ubiquity step
[17:21] <stgraber> so if something happened magically in the past, it must have been done automatically by gnome or the indicator (or I just didn't see the keyboard part of the ubi-language)
[17:33] <stgraber> jibel: I'll take a look this afternoon, I'm not sure how much we really should do here as we have the usual problem that there isn't a good language => keyboard mapping
[17:33]  * stgraber definitely prefers getting a us keyboard when selecting french than the azerty layout ;)
[17:34] <stgraber> but at the same time, I install in english anyway...
[17:35] <jibel> stgraber, ok, just wanted to make sure it was not a regression of what you fixed for B1.
[17:42] <stgraber> jibel: shouldn't be. I'll try with 11.04 and see what happens (11.10 had the indicator disabled) and make sure we don't regress at least
[17:43] <jibel> stgraber, don't bother with that, I'll do the verification.
[17:48] <stgraber> jibel: it indeed regressed from 11.04 to 12.04...
[17:48] <stgraber> jibel: now I'm wondering if it's not turning the indicator on that broke it somehow...
[18:41] <bdmurray> stgraber: installer-crash might be a good tag to search for
[18:41] <CIA-32> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1649 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[18:41] <CIA-32> debian-installer: Add a new cdrom/isolinux/non-pae build for i386 that uses the -generic
[18:41] <CIA-32> debian-installer: kernel flavour (LP: #955009).
[18:44] <CIA-32> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1650 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu119
[19:16] <stgraber> jibel: ok, I "think" I've tracked down your keymap bug, it's indeed the indicator that seems a bit broken
[19:17] <stgraber> jibel: when a language is selected "misc.set_indicator_keymaps(lang)" is called to have the indicator updated with a few keymaps relevant to the locale (not all because there are X limitations...) but AFAICT that's not happening
[19:17] <stgraber> will go check if our code is the problem or if I can blame desktop for this one ;)
[19:36] <stgraber> jibel: right, it's my fault, I "broke" it when fixing the indicator, it's to do with gsettings syntax, fixing now
[19:41] <stgraber> hmm, well, it works now, just not for french and a few others languages... digging deeper
[20:32] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5260 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/misc.py): Fix set_indicator_keymaps to always send an array of strings to gsettings and make sure it always matches the country
[20:32] <stgraber> ok, so that fixes the bug but it's still a bit broken
[20:33] <stgraber> as the indicator will show 50 layouts just fine but only the 4 first ones will work because of the X limitation
[20:33] <stgraber> so only a subset of countries work properly with this
[20:33] <stgraber> I'll now try to rewrite this an be a bit more clever, adding the first layout for each country only (if I can figure out how to have xklavier do that for me)
[21:20] <stgraber> cjwatson, infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/885523/
[21:20] <stgraber> that's my attempt at getting a reasonable list of 4 layouts
[21:21] <stgraber> I tried with french, german and english and got reasonable lists (obviously missing a few main ones, but well, we have that limit of 4 to live with)
[21:42] <stgraber> hmm, I guess we should restrict the indicator code to greeter mode only, otherwise we end up overriding the keyboard selection made in gfxboot
[21:52] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5261 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/misc.py): Add code to restrict the indicator keyboard layouts list to 4 entries
[21:56] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5262 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-language.py): Restrict keyboard indicator to greeter mode only (to avoid conflicting with the user session or gfxboot)
[22:11] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5263 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): Automatic update of included source packages
[22:12] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5264 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog tests/test_misc.py): Update keymap indicator tests
[22:13] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5265 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.29