[00:23] <asac> seb128_: i could reproduce it with our builds, but not when building upstream sources. now that almost all patches we had could be dropped there is a good chance that those are fixed. i didn't get them while doing my tests here at least.
[00:23] <seb128_> ok
[00:26] <asac> seb128_: partially good news is that you can now add certs
[00:27] <asac> however, the reason, why the arguments passed to the cert dialog are not used to prefill the proper url is still unknown
[00:28] <seb128_> which means from an user point of view?
[00:31] <asac> seb128_: the user experience is somewhat similar to that of adding a exception manually.
[00:31] <asac> seb128_: youll see
[00:31] <seb128_> ok
[00:32] <asac> definitly an improvement to "no new certs" :)
[00:32] <seb128_> right
[00:33] <seb128_> hum, make me think that I need to talk to pitti to know why apport starts firefox rather than the preferred browser
[00:33] <seb128_> especially that running firefox for non firefox users doesn't work
[00:34] <asac> seb128_: it does?
[00:34] <asac> strange
[00:34] <seb128_> you get the question about migrating your datas and then firefox doesn't load the called url
[00:35] <seb128_> I had to use something else than decide later to get the thing opening a webpage
[00:36] <asac> seb128_: which migration dialog are you talking about?
[00:36] <asac> seb128_: like what you get when you run:
[00:36] <asac> /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5/ffox-3-beta-profile-migration-dialog
[00:36] <seb128_> yes
[00:37] <seb128_> I click on "decide later" since I updated because that's the default choice and I didn't bother ;-)
[00:37] <asac> ok. thats definitly not something a "normal user" will see. it only pops-up if you ran firefox 3 alpha or early betas
[00:37] <seb128_> but that breaks "firefox URL" apparently
[00:37] <seb128_> ah, I though it ran to migrate the firefox2 datas
[00:38] <asac> no ... previousl ffox 3 used a separate profile directory
[00:38] <seb128_> the label is misleading then
[00:38] <asac> it just asks you which one you want to continue :)
[00:38] <asac> to use
[00:38] <seb128_> ok
[00:38] <asac> seb128_: the title reads "firefox 3 beta support" :)
[00:39] <asac> seb128_: the label was drafted by mpt
[00:39] <asac> in london
[00:39] <seb128_> anyway the issue is not there, it's rather than I use epiphany which is correctly configured in GNOME and than apport calls firefox
[00:39] <asac> i had a different versoin .... but that was a bit too echnical
[00:39] <asac> hehe right
[00:39] <asac> thats definilty an issue
[00:39] <asac> maybe pitti did this back when ssl was completely broken for ephy?
[00:40] <asac> was that broken?
[00:40] <asac> can't remember
[00:40] <asac> ;)
[00:40] <seb128_> no
[00:40] <asac> lets wait i guess
[00:40] <seb128_> yeah, I need to try again
[00:40] <seb128_> the crash was an installation issue
[00:40] <seb128_> so might be that's it's trying to use sudo apport or similar
[00:41] <seb128_> and so not using my user settings
[00:41] <seb128_> I'll talk to pitti about it when he's around
[00:41] <asac> right. night
[00:41] <seb128_> 'night
[00:41] <asac> tomorrow meeting starts at 8 *sigh*
[00:41] <seb128_> waouh, it's late again
[00:41] <asac> yeah
[00:41] <asac> ;)
[00:41] <seb128_> too much to do this week
[00:42] <asac> bye
[00:42] <seb128_> see you later
[00:50] <seb128_> tedg: your gnome-screensaver tarballs seems to not be the upstream one?
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <crevette> hello
[08:12] <seb128> good morning
[08:16] <dholbach> hey seb128
[08:18] <seb128> hello dholbach
[08:25] <mvo> good morning seb128!
[08:26] <seb128> hey hey mvo
[08:32] <Hobbsee> morning seb128, dholbach, mvo
[08:39] <mvo> hey Hobbsee, dholbach!
[08:39] <Hobbsee> mvo: sky fallen in yet?
[08:39] <mvo> its falling for me all week already
[08:40] <crevette> seb128, would you be against updating gnome-phone-manager to the latest version ? it solves some problem; but the heck is gnokii has to be updated as well
[08:41] <seb128> crevette: no really opinion, I'm too busy to do that myself and it's late for hardy
[08:42] <crevette> yeah, I understand, that's why I was asking
[08:42] <crevette> gnome-phone-manager is not really a problem, but I'm but concerned with gnokii
[08:44] <Hobbsee> mvo: oh dear.  how's the compiz testing going?
[08:45] <mvo> Hobbsee: not too bad, the upgrades are currently more work, dapper->hardy and gutsy->hardy double the amount of test cases and potential failures
[08:46] <Hobbsee> mvo: yeah, true.  Need some help?
[08:50] <mvo> I wouldn't mind :) checking for missing bits in the python transition is probably something that is straightfoward, or testing if the current alternative CD upgrades a dapper or gutsy with the instructions on the wiki
[08:51] <mvo> or with bug #213566
[08:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213566
[08:59]  * Hobbsee can't do the cd stuff - bandwidth limitations.
[08:59]  * Hobbsee looks at the bug
[09:09] <cassidy> about UVFe, would be cool if someone could take a look on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/212873
[09:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212873 in empathy "UVFe empathy: 0.22.0 -> 0.22.1" [Wishlist,New]
[09:11] <Hobbsee> cassidy: ack'd.
[09:12] <cassidy> Hobbsee: thanks
[09:12] <Hobbsee> y/w
[09:17] <tjaalton> how do I prevent trackerd from starting up? I've removed the tracker*-files from /etc/xdg/autostart
[09:19] <seb128> tjaalton: sudo apt-get remove tracker?
[09:19] <tjaalton> seb128: obviously :)
[09:20] <seb128> tjaalton: other system, preferences, indexing and uncheck the index and watch options, that's what is done in hardy by default
[09:20] <seb128> s/other/otherwise
[09:24] <tjaalton> seems to have no effect, but I'll just remove it
[09:25] <tjaalton> thanks
[09:26] <seb128> tjaalton: that should, it works for everybody else apparently
[09:43] <huats> morning everyone
[09:43] <huats> seb128 crevette o/
[09:43] <seb128> lut huats
[09:50] <crevette> salut huats
[10:05] <mvo> seb128: is someone working on metacity?
[10:05] <seb128> mvo: you ;-)
[10:06] <seb128> mvo: you mean in ubuntu?
[10:06] <mvo> wellll
[10:06] <seb128> mvo: marnanel is upstream for it
[10:06] <mvo> yeah, if someone is updating it or anything, I would like to work on it and this is a check_lock()
[10:06]  * mvo wants bzr
[10:06] <seb128> mvo: go for it ;-)
[10:08]  * mvo checks metacity into bzr
[10:50] <Hobbsee> mvo: is there any wya to say "use this mirror in all cases, except when it doesn't have the required stuff, in which case, looka t that mirror?"
[10:53] <mvo> yeah, if you have "deb http://mirror1/ubuntu hardy main" and a line below "deb http://mirror2" it will use mirror1 if it has the stuff and mirror2 if mirror1 is e.g. outdated
[10:54] <seb128> asac: hey
[10:54] <seb128> asac: could you look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/214468? that seems a xulrunner issue, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13274689/stacktrace-visitingbugtracker-dbgsym.txt
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214468 in epiphany-browser "Epiphany crashes inside xulrunner when viewing HTTPS sites" [Undecided,New]
[10:54] <seb128> "/etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin\000lternative.so"
[10:55] <seb128> weird
[10:55] <Hobbsee> mvo: ahh, so it will obey that, all the time?
[10:55]  * Hobbsee moves more mirrors around then
[10:55] <Hobbsee> mvo: thanks
[10:55] <mvo> it should, if not, that would be a bug :)
[10:55] <mvo> cheers
[10:56] <Hobbsee> mvo: wasn't sure if it was picking the fastest one, or something
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Fetched 99.6MB in 7min37s (218kB/s)
[10:57] <Hobbsee> that's better.
[10:57] <Hobbsee> still not hte mirror i was hoping for (that one's not unmetered), but it's still faster than pulling it from the UK.
[11:01] <asac> seb128: wow: resolved_path = "/etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin\000lternative.so"
[11:01] <seb128> asac: yeah, that's what I wrote before
[11:02] <seb128> I'm wondering how that happened
[11:02] <seb128> and if that's a weird filename on the disk or a code error
[11:04] <asac> seb128: looks like an infinite recursion. funny thing is that java plugin appears to retrigger a plugin scan
[11:04] <asac> seb128: was there a java update recently?
[11:05] <seb128> asac: not that I know, but maybe better to ask doko
[11:06] <seb128> asac: there was a flash plugin update this night though
[11:07] <asac> in the archive?
[11:09] <seb128> asac: the flashplugin-nonfree thing
[11:09] <seb128> asac: "   * Update md5sum and package version for Flash <IP_ADDRESS>."
[11:09] <seb128> asac: that's the changelog entry
[11:11] <asac> seb128: ok. let me check if i can already get that
[11:11] <seb128> well, I don't get the bug having those installed
[11:11] <seb128> so I guess it's not the update
[11:31] <asac> seb128: i am in a stat whre i cannot close the crash notificatoin bubble
[11:31] <asac> state
[11:31] <asac> i had that a few times now; anything i can gather now to help you?
[11:31] <asac> hmm ... it auto disappeared. anything next time i get that?
[11:32] <seb128> no idea, maybe mvo knows better, he hacked on that already
[11:33] <mvo> asac: that usually happens if the notification-daemon crashes iirc (or hangs)
[11:33] <mvo> asac: is there a crash file for that daemon?
[11:40]  * asac looking
[11:40] <asac> mvo: no, but i think there already were too many crashes in. ill see if i get one next time
[11:43] <mvo> ok
[12:24] <fernando> moin all
[12:26] <seb128> hey fernando
[12:27] <fernando> hey seb128, how are you going?
[12:27] <seb128> fernando: good, what about you?
[12:27] <fernando> seb128, good too
[12:34] <dholbach> hey fernando!
[12:34]  * dholbach hugs fernando
[12:34] <fernando> hey dholbach
[12:34]  * fernando hugs dholbach
[12:34] <dholbach> :-)
[12:36] <fernando> dholbach, how are you going?
[12:36] <dholbach> good - just a bit tired :)
[12:38] <fernando> rest a little =)
[12:39] <dholbach> I'll make it a lunch break soon :)
[13:01] <seb128> hey pedro_!
[13:01] <pedro_> bonjour seb128!
[13:29] <pochu> seb128: I guess we should get 2.22 in before tomorrow, right?
[13:30] <seb128> pochu: yes, it's mostly done now
[13:31] <seb128> I've gnome-user-share to consider on my list if it's fixed in debian
[13:31] <seb128> swfdec-gnome to sync if they update
[13:31] <seb128> the mobile team does cheese
[13:32] <pochu> and anjuta (I know it's in universe, but I don't care :p) and I haven't seen robster lately, and it's not in pkg-gnome yet
[13:32] <seb128> gedit-plugins which can be fake synced, slomo did the update but didn't upload due to some debian transition
[13:32] <seb128> ah, we don't have that on the desktop so I didn't really bother
[13:32] <seb128> but you are welcome to do the update if you want ;-)
[13:33] <pochu> ember: if you were looking for updates, feel free to do anjuta even if it's listed to be synced :) If you weren't, then nevermind
[13:33] <pochu> oh, I thought it was in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/WeeklyTODO. I see it's not
[13:34] <pochu> ember: the update should be trivial... if you aren't going to do it, let me know and I'll take care of it
[14:00] <huats> pochu: if I find some time and if ember has not, I might do it too (anjuta)
[14:06] <huats> pochu: In fact it is building right now :)
[14:17] <mvo> asac: can we have a transitional /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird binary symlink or something for dapper->hardy upgrade compatibility?
[14:19] <Hobbsee> mvo: we don't already?
[14:20] <Hobbsee> mvo: er, why?  mozilla-thunderbird depends on thunderbird, and that will provide the link required?
[14:20] <Hobbsee> oh, that's right.  it screws up gnome-do, and the run command, if you do.  IIRC.
[14:20] <mvo> does it? I had a upgrade the other day where it was missing
[14:21] <Hobbsee> it'll certainly provide thunderbird.
[14:22] <mvo> yeah, thunderbird is there, just no mozilla-thunderbird and that kills custom launchers
[14:22] <Hobbsee> mvo: have you tried using a symlink for mozilla-thunderbird on any post-2.0 thunderbird release?
[14:22] <mvo> not a big thing, but irritating
[14:22] <mvo> no
[14:22] <Hobbsee> mvo: you need to, because i'm fairly sure it breaks.
[14:22] <ember> huats feel free to do it
[14:25] <Hobbsee> mvo: right, so if you symlink ln -s ../lib/thunderbird/thunderbird mozilla-thunderbird it works, but not if you symlink what was ln -s ../lib/thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird mozilla-thunderbird, which i'd tried previously
[14:26] <Hobbsee> sorry for the noise.
[14:27] <huats> ember: ok
[14:29] <mvo> aha, thanks
[14:31] <Hobbsee> mvo: darn you.  now i'm triaging thunderbird bugs.
[14:34] <Hobbsee> mvo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/148008 is the same thing.
[14:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148008 in mozilla-firefox "ff will not open thunderbird" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:35] <Hobbsee> mvo: in fact, that's the bug that you're talking about.
[14:35] <asac> mvo: which application opens mozilla-thunderbird after upgrade?
[14:36] <mvo> asac: no app, but custom desktop launchers (e.g. if people created a gnome launcher on their desktop or panel
[14:36] <asac> hmm
[14:36] <asac> ok
[14:36]  * Hobbsee marks another dupe.
[14:36] <Hobbsee> asac: old firefox shortcuts too, it appears.
[14:36] <asac> maybe the bug was that the .desktop file name changed?
[14:37] <Hobbsee> asac: entire binary name changed, and the mozilla-thunderbird symlink to run-mozilla.sh got removed.
[14:37] <mvo> possible both
[14:37] <asac> Hobbsee: sorry, what is a firefox shortcut?
[14:37] <Hobbsee> asac: mailto?
[14:37] <asac> ah ok scheme/protocol handler
[14:38] <Hobbsee> asac: a lot of people have set their prefs.js / users.js with it too, it appears, then it broke.
[14:38] <Hobbsee> asac: presumably because it was having trouble working originally
[14:38] <asac> yeah
[14:39] <asac> can someone file a blocker bug on that?
[14:39] <asac> e.g. ship binary link + .desktop file link?
[14:39] <asac> :)
[14:40] <mib_mhawq70g> have a question about the new beta release of ubuntu
[14:40] <Hobbsee> asac: i could probably just fix the package, if you wanted.
[14:40] <mib_mhawq70g> With Ubuntu 7.10 my ATI grafik driver provided by ubuntu OS worked fine and i could use the desktop effects without any problems
[14:40] <Hobbsee> or at least, attmept it
[14:41] <mib_mhawq70g> but with the beta i.e. 8.04 i can't use the desktop effects, if i use it, then the windows open and close with a strange twist and disturbance
[14:41] <mib_mhawq70g> and while booting the ubuntu logo is also not sharp i.e. the 8.04 beta version does not seem to be working properly with the ATI grafic driver
[14:41] <mib_mhawq70g> is this some kind of bug which i can report on the ubuntu website?
[14:41] <asac> Hobbsee: if you build on top of bzr branch and push that somewhere so i can merge that would be appreciated
[14:42] <asac> Hobbsee: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.dev
[14:42] <mib_mhawq70g> i am using the restricted driver and if i switch off the desktop effects then everything works fine
[14:42] <Hobbsee> asac: what on earth?
[14:42] <Hobbsee> asac: did you guys never do a user migration from .mozilla-thunderbird to .thunderbird?
[14:44] <huats> pochu: bug 214601
[14:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214601 in anjuta "Please sponsor gcalctool 2.4.1 into hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214601
[14:44] <Hobbsee> asac: if you didn't do so, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/155621 is probably a blocker.
[14:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155621 in thunderbird "mozilla-thunderbird --> thunderbird.  Did not find old profile folder" [Undecided,New]
[14:46] <seb128> huats: wrong title ;-)
[14:46] <asac> Hobbsee: no ... we still have .mozilla-thunderbird because old profiles still have absolute paths in it
[14:47] <asac> getting that right is easy for most, but really tricky for corner cases
[14:47] <Hobbsee> asac: i realise that, but you probably should be copying it to .thunderbird or something too?
[14:47] <Hobbsee> asac: any extensions which aren't compatible got disabled.
[14:47] <Hobbsee> otherwise users suddenly think their email has vanished, whcih is bad.
[14:47] <huats> seb128: oups
[14:48] <huats> I am correcting that right now...
[14:48] <asac> Hobbsee: i don't understand that
[14:48] <huats> seb128: thanks
[14:48] <asac> why would i copy it .thunderbird?
[14:48] <asac> its not used by our package '
[14:48] <seb128> asac: ok, so the for your information the new xrandr capplet thingy had broken dpi calculation
[14:48] <Hobbsee> because our package uses .thunderbird since thunderbird 2.0, last i checked.
[14:49] <seb128> asac: so it might explain some font rendering issue reported by some people
[14:49] <asac> Hobbsee: can't ack that, we are still using .mozilla-thunderbird
[14:49] <seb128> asac: those using it had 1x1 dpi numbers for example instead of 96x96
[14:49] <Hobbsee> no, i lie, we are still using .m-t
[14:49] <asac> hmm
[14:49]  * Hobbsee puts the symlink back in
[14:50] <Hobbsee> asac: are they using upstream firefox, or something?
[14:50] <asac> upstream is .thunderbird
[14:50] <asac> but ubuntu never had that
[14:50] <Hobbsee> right, yeah
[14:50] <asac> :)
[14:51] <asac> seb128: strange. what does pango do with 1x1 dpi?
[14:51] <seb128> asac: I'm not sure, but I noticed that it broken evince (it displays things very zoomed out) and fonts in epiphany-browser which are smaller
[14:51] <Hobbsee> asac: any idea why that guy, and the dupe, got that bug then?
[14:52] <seb128> asac: GNOME seems to not care about the dpi number
[14:54] <seb128> asac: the redhat guys added that to the capplet code
[14:54] <seb128> "    * Firefox apparently believes what X tells it. It is a foolish
[14:54] <seb128>      * application."
[14:54] <asac> thats not true
[14:54] <asac> firefox has a lower bound of 96
[14:55] <asac> everything below will be intepreted as 96
[14:55] <seb128> ok, so without this capplet the value is 120 for me
[14:55] <seb128> and using the capplet broken or fixed looks the same
[14:55] <asac> and fonts are directly rendered by pango (not through the dpi detected by it)
[14:55] <seb128> which makes sense according to your comment
[14:55] <seb128> evince was totally broken
[14:55] <asac> you won't see any font issues due to firefox ... its just pango used for fonts
[14:55] <seb128> and firefox was rendering things the same way as when 96 dpi is used
[14:55] <asac> dpi is only used to scale images
[14:56] <seb128> ok
[14:56] <asac> (but with 96 dpi lower bounds)
[14:56] <seb128> I was commenting because you pochu and you discussed the issue some days ago
[14:57] <asac> yeah
[14:57] <asac> i fixed a related bug upstream
[14:57] <seb128> ok, so it's all good
[14:58] <pochu> huats: thanks! looking at it
[14:58] <huats> pochu: ok great
[14:58] <huats> ping me if something is needed
[14:58]  * Hobbsee marks more dupes
[14:59] <Hobbsee> 7 bugs, for the 5-a-day.
[14:59] <seb128> Hobbsee: still the launchpad integration bug?
[14:59] <Hobbsee> seb128: eparse?
[14:59] <Hobbsee> seb128: luke fixed that.
[14:59] <Hobbsee> seb128: no, this is thunderbird bugs.
[14:59] <seb128> Hobbsee: ok, that's one which had several duplicates
[14:59] <seb128> so I was wondering ;-)
[15:00] <Hobbsee> seb128: yeah, i'm sure it does :)
[15:00] <Hobbsee> seb128: i've not been back to that one.
[15:03] <Hobbsee> asac: are all crashes that begin with __kernel_vsyscall () dupes?
[15:05] <asac> Hobbsee: no ... thats just the top
[15:05] <Hobbsee> asac: hmm, kay.
[15:05] <asac> but the rest can be completely different
[15:05] <ember> seb128 do i need to g-t with b-d on lp .17 too or it is fine?
[15:05] <Hobbsee> asac: yeah, i suspected so, thanks.
[15:07] <seb128> ember: everything using liblaunchpad-integration0 need to be rebuilt, things added <separators/> in the description need to be updated to not
[15:07] <ember> ok, i'm gonna re-check some things
[15:07] <ember> thanks
[15:08] <Hobbsee> dholbach: who commits the bugs for 5-a-day now?
[15:09] <dholbach> Hobbsee: hm?
[15:09] <Hobbsee> dholbach: Bugs have been added, but not committed yet (already committed 28 minutes ago).
[15:10] <dholbach> it will commit a batch of added bugs (if 60 minutes have passed), or you can either use   --add -f
[15:14] <Hobbsee> dholbach: -f worked, thanks.
[15:14] <dholbach> Hobbsee: it was blueyed's idea :)
[15:15]  * Hobbsee wonders hwo bughelper works nowadays
[15:15]  * Hobbsee suspects teh syntax has changed
[15:16] <pochu> wow, anjuta's clean targets are so broken...
[15:16] <pochu> $ zgrep "^+++ " anjuta_2.4.0-2.diff.gz | grep -v debian | wc -l
[15:16] <pochu> 136
[15:16] <Hobbsee> mvo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/214612 is an apt bug, no?
[15:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214612 in soyuz "Provide pdiffs for apt-get update" [Undecided,New]
[15:17] <mvo> Hobbsee: no, if anything a won't fix - but let the soyuz people decide
[15:17] <Hobbsee> ahh
[15:17] <mvo> Hobbsee: apt supports pdiffs just fine, we just don't pulish any of those
[15:18] <Hobbsee> ahhhh....
[15:18] <Hobbsee> right
[15:18] <mvo> and that is reasonable because our archive goes through a lot more churn
[15:19] <Hobbsee> yup
[15:20]  * xhaker asks how to rm a link in a preinst script when rm_conffile does the wrong thing, and creates a dpk-.bak
[15:21] <xhaker> checking checksums of a link? shouldn't i be able to just rm -f the link?
[15:22] <pochu> huats: uploading, thanks!
[15:22] <pochu> huats: btw, you forgot to update the maintainer ;)
[15:23] <huats> pochu: oh that is true...
[15:23] <huats> sorry
[15:23] <pochu> np
[15:35] <ember> seb128 http://pfragoso.org/ubuntu/gnome-terminal_2.22.1-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[15:37] <seb128> ember: there is no need to change the build-depends there if it's not using the api which changed
[15:37] <seb128> ember: don't bother, those just need a no change uploaded, that's as quick to do rebuild that to sponsor so it's not really useful to go through sponsoring there
[15:38] <ember> oh okidoki
[15:44] <Hobbsee> ack.  i'd forgotten how bad mines is with a touchpad.
[16:19] <seb128> asac: so this epiphany crash from this morning is due to j2re1.4, once this one install I can confirm epiphany is crashing
[16:25] <asac> seb128: j2re1.4 why do you use that?
[16:26] <seb128> asac: I don't, the submitter figured the crash was due to this one, and I installed it to see if it trigger the crash on my installation too
[16:26] <asac> and not java5, java6 and so on
[16:27] <asac> ah
[16:27] <asac> ok
[16:28] <asac> reassing that bug against java 1.4 id say
[16:28] <seb128> why?
[16:28] <seb128> epiphany was not crashing before the recent updates
[16:28] <asac> with java 1.4?
[16:29] <seb128> it doesn't seem that the submitter just installed java 1.4
[16:29] <seb128> so it's likely the xulrunner or the epiphany-browser recent updates which triggered the issue
[16:29] <seb128> btw why do we still have j2re1.4 in hardy multiverse if it should not be used?
[16:30] <asac> seb128: because doko claimed that nothing else works on amd64
[16:30] <asac> but i think thats not true anymore
[16:30] <seb128> ok
[16:30] <asac> ill prod him
[16:30] <seb128> anyway low priority bug, I just wanted to let you know that the crash is due to it
[16:31] <asac> seb128: upstream changed the api used by java plugin in recent updates to fix security issues. most likely they didn't consider 1.4 worth not to break.
[16:32] <asac> so it makes sense to some degree that this appeared now
[16:32] <seb128> epiphany or xulrunner?
[16:32] <asac> epiphany doesn't implement any plugin host ;)
[16:32] <asac> http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2008/mfsa2008-18.html
[16:33] <asac> thats the advisory that changed raised the bar for java
[16:33] <seb128> ok
[16:33] <asac> but thats for the stable release branch
[16:33] <asac> most likely they did mor eintrusive changes to trunk
[16:33] <seb128> I'll reassign from epiphany to xulrunner and let you talk to doko ;-)
[16:33] <asac> let me look
[16:34] <asac> seb128: yes, please add java 1.4 to title
[16:34] <asac> so i can easily spot that
[16:34] <seb128> ok
[16:34] <asac> i ping doko. lets see
[16:46] <asac> seb128: bug id?
[16:47] <seb128> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/214468
[16:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214468 in epiphany-browser "Epiphany crashes inside xulrunner when j2re1.4 is installed" [Undecided,New]
[16:47] <seb128> asac: I just reassigned it
[16:47] <asac> oh :)
[16:47]  * asac hits cancel
[16:58] <crevette> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/213745/comments/49 wtf
[16:58] <crevette> I don't understand such people
[16:59] <asac> seb128: bug 214468
[16:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214468 in meta-j2re1.4-mozilla "[removal request] Remove all java 1.4 bits from hardy (Was: Epiphany crashes inside xulrunner when j2re1.4 is installed)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214468
[17:00] <seb128> asac: ok
[17:00] <seb128> asac: you might want to make xulrunner conflicts on it then?
[17:00] <asac> seb128: good idea.
[17:02] <asac> crevette: actually i would like a feature to edit comments in launchpad ... or remove comments completely (well hide them would be enough)
[17:03] <asac> like slashdot ;)
[17:03] <asac> people then could rate up useful comments and i could just read the gems ;)
[17:03] <asac> paradise :)
[17:04] <seb128> asac: btw will you do the epiphany-extensions update?
[17:05] <seb128> crevette: did you ask for an approval for the new gnome-phone-manager version?
[17:06] <asac> seb128: yes i can do the update. does it ship anything new besides our xul patches?
[17:06] <crevette> seb128: no I'm overusy during the day
[17:07] <crevette> I just arrived now, and I need a break
[17:07] <crevette> sorry :/
[17:07] <seb128> asac: I didn't look to detail, just that they did xul1.9 changes and you know better if the ubuntu patches can be dropped or not
[17:07] <seb128> crevette: that's alright ;-)
[17:07] <seb128> crevette: I'm not using it anyway, was just curious
[17:07] <asac> seb128: i thiknn chpe just used our patches. but ill see
[17:08] <seb128> asac: ok, thanks
[17:10] <asac> seb128: 2.22.1 is latest right? (wonder because ephy had <IP_ADDRESS>)
[17:10] <seb128> yes
[17:16] <crevette> I need to figure out if phone-mgr 0.50 and latest gnokii have know bugs
[17:17] <crevette> but I don't know who do I need to contact for those
[17:55] <asac> mvo: you know apturl apt:something?section=multiverse right? is there a section i can use for the partner repo?
[17:56] <mvo> asac: yeah, that should work, but I suspect there is a bug in the code, I will investigate
[17:57] <mvo> asac: partner will not work I'm afraid
[18:26] <johandc> Hi, where does the new xrandr and gnome-display-settings store its settings?
[18:26] <johandc> I flipped my desktop upside-down which renders the screen black, and now i cant set it back to normal again.
[19:30] <vuntz> stupid question
[19:30] <vuntz> does /etc/timezone end with \n?
[19:33] <shiyee> vuntz: does on my system
[19:34] <vuntz> thanks
[19:49] <kwwii> pitti: I'll make you a deal...upload my ubuntu-wallpaper package and I will make it more than 1MB smaller
[19:54] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.25.dsc
[19:59] <Anon2910> hello
[19:59] <Anon2910> hola
[20:05] <kwwii> hola
[21:40] <Nafallo> can I get ekiga to use pulseaudio?
[21:40] <seb128> Nafallo: no idea about ekiga
[21:41] <Nafallo> I bet speakers work because of some emulation somewhere, but not the mic :-/
[22:02] <Nafallo> hmm
[22:02] <Nafallo> not sure what happened to Evince, but my PDFs are scaled down to 2% or something...
[22:10] <seb128> Nafallo: update again and restart your session
[22:10] <seb128> Nafallo: you used the new xrandr capplet right?
[22:11] <seb128> Nafallo: gnome-desktop was using a wrong dpi calculation and evince uses the xorg value
[22:11] <Nafallo> dunno. just double-clicked the PDF :-)
[22:11] <Nafallo> ah. fixed bugs are the best ones :-)
[22:11] <Nafallo> will need to logout later then ;-)
[22:15] <seb128> update and try to use the capplet
[22:15] <seb128> that might fix it too
[22:15] <Nafallo> okidoki
[22:16] <Nafallo> hi tedg :-)
[22:16] <tedg> Hello Nafallo
[22:16] <Nafallo> morning pochu :-)
[22:20] <pochu> good night Nafallo!
[22:20] <pochu> Nafallo: where are you from? I thought you were from Norway or Sweden...
[22:21] <Nafallo> pochu: Sweden, but live in London.
[22:21] <Nafallo> Wed Apr  9 22:21:19 BST 2008
[22:23] <pochu> Nafallo: I'm in Spain :)
[22:24] <Nafallo> pochu: yea, I figured.
[22:24] <Nafallo> pochu: still morning somewhere :-P
[22:43] <tedg> Nafallo: I have a new GPM package in my PPA that I believe fixes some of the idle brightness problems (I think you were having that one), could you see if it fixes it?
[22:45] <Nafallo> tedg: sure. tomorrow morning. have the laptop in the office.
[22:45] <Nafallo> :-)
[22:45] <Nafallo> tedg: BST btw.
[22:46] <tedg> Ah, so e-mail me then, I'll be asleep ;)
[22:50] <Nafallo> tedg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>? :-)
[22:50] <Amaranth> Nafallo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:50] <Nafallo> oki. kewl.
[22:50] <Amaranth> don't tell anyone the secret ;)
[22:51] <tedg> Nafallo: So Ted.Gould.
[22:51] <Nafallo> tedg: yea. asked who you where when I was in the office :-)
[22:51] <Nafallo> ;-)
[22:51] <tedg> Heh, my first stalker... ;)
[22:51] <Nafallo> not where. was :-)
[22:52] <Nafallo> tedg: might as well when seb told me you would fix my issues ;-)
[23:07] <yosch> seb128: ping
[23:11] <seb128> yosch: hi
[23:13] <yosch> seb128: sistpoty mentioned by mail you would decide about exception for desktop-related items
[23:13] <yosch> I have one package that would could be usefully added:
[23:13] <yosch> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=ttf-ubuntu-title
[23:13] <seb128> right, for universe and after the freeze (which is not in effect yet)
[23:14] <seb128> hum, I've no clue about fonts, better to just subscribe the motu team to this one
[23:14] <yosch> seb128: ok, I thought we were already there
[23:15] <yosch> I've been in touch via email with Arne and cjwatson. How do I subscribe the motu team?
[23:16] <seb128> ask on #ubuntu-motu about they procedure, I don't know exactly
[23:16] <yosch> OK willdo. Thanks.
[23:17] <seb128> you are welcome
[23:37] <vuntz> seb128: would you have some time to test something?
[23:37] <seb128> vuntz: yes
[23:37] <vuntz> new reading/writing code for setting timezone
[23:37] <vuntz> it should work, but, well, it's not really tested...
[23:38] <seb128> alright
[23:39] <vuntz> let me do a 'make dist'. Will be easier for you & me
[23:39] <vuntz> (don't want to commit the writing code right now)
[23:42] <walters> does anyone know how I can find out which version of dbus the dbus-glib package in debian lenny was built against?
[23:42] <walters> hm, i guess i need to map from lenny to a version number
[23:42] <seb128> walters: http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=dbus-glib
[23:43] <walters> ah, that is nicer than the interface linked from build.debian.org/index.html
[23:43] <seb128> seems to be dbus 1.1.1
[23:44] <walters> background here is: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15430
[23:44] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 15430 in GLib "ABI break in git head" [Critical,Assigned]
[23:44] <vuntz> seb128: http://www.gnome.org/~vuntz/tmp/gnome-panel-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[23:45] <vuntz> seb128: I guess reading the timezone will work. I'm more interested in setting the timezone
[23:45] <vuntz> seb128: it should do the right thing wrt /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone and it shouldn't touch any other file
[23:46] <seb128> vuntz: ok, trying in a minute
[23:57] <seb128> vuntz: building
[23:59] <seb128> vuntz: ok, built


[21:47] <jdong> bluekuja: hey I noticed transmission 0.93 has a bugfix for a serious issue I've heard reported several times, regarding knocking out router connectivity
[21:47] <jdong> bluekuja: debian is still like 2 versions behind and no activty for 2 weeks; I'm thinking about stepping ahead of them and directly packaging tranny 0.93
[21:47] <bluekuja> jdong, yes, you can start working on it
[21:48] <bluekuja> and maybe ping debian
[21:48] <bluekuja> open a bug
[21:48] <bluekuja> whatever
[21:48] <bluekuja> now you have a good reason to do it
[21:48] <jdong> bluekuja: bug open already regarding 0.92 for 14 days ;-)
[21:48] <bluekuja> e.g serious issue
[21:48] <bluekuja> :)
[21:48] <jdong> figure it's redundant to poke them again
[21:48] <bluekuja> yeo
[21:48] <bluekuja> *yep
[21:48] <bluekuja> prepare an NMU then
[21:49] <bluekuja> and get it sponsored inside delayed
[21:49] <bluekuja> for 7 days
[21:49] <bluekuja> (should be enough)
[21:52] <jdong> bluekuja: hmm nmu's are an unfamiliarity to me....
[21:52] <jdong> bluekuja: shall I just give you a prepared source pkg after I'm done and you deal with the Debian side? ;-)
[21:53] <bluekuja> jdong, yes. Also I think an NMU can be done by an already DD
[21:53] <bluekuja> I read that somewhere in the docs
[21:53] <bluekuja> yesterday
[21:53] <bluekuja> but I'm not *really* sure about that
[21:54] <jdong> bluekuja: are you familiar with what the debian package's dfsg repacking consists of?
[21:54] <bluekuja> jdong, yes
[21:54] <bluekuja> I'm doing the P&P test
[21:54] <bluekuja> atm
[21:55] <bluekuja> so I'm answering to the DFSG and some other policy docs
[21:55] <bluekuja> about that
[21:55] <bluekuja> ^^
[21:55] <jdong> ok, was just wondering what I need to mangle from upstream's orig.tar.gz to make Debian happy
[21:56] <bluekuja> did upstream add some new files?
[21:56] <bluekuja> please do the package
[21:56] <bluekuja> make a dedbdiff
[21:56] <bluekuja> *debdiff
[21:56] <bluekuja> and then decide
[21:56] <bluekuja> what has been added/removed
[21:56] <bluekuja> and then ping me if some new files (non-free, bad licenses) are there
[21:56] <bluekuja> so we can analyze the problem
[21:57] <jdong> bluekuja: oh duh I'm an idiot, there's a watchfile , and rules already details what they removed
[21:57] <jdong> the beos/macos parts are license-ambiguous
[21:58] <bluekuja> fine then
[21:58] <bluekuja> you know what needs to be removed
[21:58] <bluekuja> :)
[21:58] <jdong> :)
[21:59] <bluekuja> ;)
[21:59] <jdong> bluekuja: and ther'es even a README.debian-source file that states in plain english what is removed. sheesh I feel foolish now ;-)
[21:59] <bluekuja> lol
[22:00] <bluekuja> fortunately you found that
[22:00] <bluekuja> better late than never
[22:00] <bluekuja> :)
[22:08] <jdong> bluekuja: dget http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/motu/transmission_0.93.dfsg-1.dsc
[22:08] <bluekuja> lol
[22:08] <bluekuja> you did a package in two seconds?
[22:09] <bluekuja> a magician?
[22:09] <jdong> bluekuja: please ignore that last message for 5 minutes ;-)
[22:09] <jdong> bluekuja: one of the dpatches isn't clean :)
[22:09] <jdong> lol I gave you the link and started buildtesting at the same time
[22:10] <bluekuja> lol
[22:14] <jdong> bluekuja: ok, and this time, I'm gonna sit through the build before I embarrass myself :P
[22:14] <bluekuja> :D
[22:16] <jdong> bluekuja: ok *now* dget that URL
[22:17] <jdong> build tested in a gutsy pbuilder
[22:17] <jdong> don't have a sid one handy, so exercise to the sponsor ;-)
[22:17] <bluekuja> ^^
[22:18] <bluekuja> do you want to pull this on Debian or Ubuntu?
[22:18] <jdong> bluekuja: currently it's versioned for Debian, I'm fine with either way
[22:18] <jdong> bluekuja: if we do debian, what do you think the turnaround time would be?
[22:18] <jdong> bluekuja: i.e. I released out a backport of 0.91 to gutsy, remember, that suffers from this router-knockout bug
[22:18] <jdong> :(
[22:19] <bluekuja> jdong, if we want it inside debian you have to build it using unstable (first)
[22:19] <bluekuja> second
[22:19] <bluekuja> waiting 14 days it's not too much
[22:19] <jdong> bluekuja: do you have an unstable pbuilder handy?
[22:19] <bluekuja> for asking an NMU
[22:19] <bluekuja> of course
[22:19] <bluekuja> :)
[22:19] <jdong> yeah 14 days is fine
[22:19] <jdong> if you wanna prepare it as an NMU or however is appropriate, please :)
[22:21] <jdong> I'm starving, so I'm gonna go make dinner :)
[22:21] <bluekuja> ok, I finish my answers
[22:21] <bluekuja> in the meantime


[20:45] <amikrop> maybe Exec=sh -c "somedaemon & someprogram && pkill somedaemon" ?
[20:46] <CaptainQuirk> Hi there !
[20:46] <CaptainQuirk> I bought an hp laptop last week and I was having issues with my installation
[20:46] <CaptainQuirk> colleague of mine advised me to disable secure boot to allow some hardware drivers to work
[20:47] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: what issues?
[20:47] <CaptainQuirk> memory mainly
[20:47] <CaptainQuirk> whole session freezes
[20:47] <CaptainQuirk> nothing else to do than restart
[20:47] <CaptainQuirk> and most of all performance problems
[20:48] <EriC^^> !sysrq | CaptainQuirk
[20:48] <EriC^^> when it freezes you can do that ^
[20:48] <CaptainQuirk> I was expecting more from 8G0 of ram
[20:48] <EriC^^> til you fix it
[20:48] <CaptainQuirk> Eric^^, thank you
[20:48] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: did you try a memtest?
[20:49] <CaptainQuirk> no but now my problem is a different one
[20:50] <CaptainQuirk> I try to disable secure boot from the bios
[20:50] <CaptainQuirk> and enable legacy boot
[20:50] <CaptainQuirk> it messed the whole installation
[20:50] <CaptainQuirk> could not boot anymore
[20:51] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: yeah it's installed in uefi mode
[20:51] <CaptainQuirk> maybe
[20:51] <EriC^^> not maybe :D
[20:51] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: you can either reinstall, or convert it
[20:51] <CaptainQuirk> the thing is, restoring the factory settings didn't work either
[20:51] <CaptainQuirk> I tried reinstalling it
[20:51] <CaptainQuirk> to no avail
[20:51] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: with legacy enabled?
[20:52] <EriC^^> can you boot a live usb now?
[20:52] <CaptainQuirk> yes
[20:53] <EriC^^> ok, type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:53] <CaptainQuirk> in the grup prompt ?
[20:54] <EriC^^> no the live usb
[20:54] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: I have done as you suggested.  Here is the contents: https://imagebin.ca/v/33ukZO8d7UbF
[20:54] <CaptainQuirk> oh you mean try without installing ?
[20:54] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: yeah
[20:55] <amikrop> Anybody knows when nVidia 364.12 driver is gonna make it to default (main?) repos? Or where can I find that out?
[20:56] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: That looks like you have a single directory named "ubuntu-16.04..." in the USB that contains everything else. You need to get rid of that directory and just have all of the files in the root of the filesytem.
[20:56] <glym> привет парни
[20:56] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: So if you look at the contents of the USB drive you should see boot, casper, dists, EFI, etc.
[20:57] <EriC^^> !ru | glym
[20:57] <CaptainQuirk> How can I change my keyboard ?
[20:57] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: Does that make sense?
[20:57] <glym> !кг
[20:57] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: Yes it does
[20:57] <glym> !ru
[20:58] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: settings > text entry
[20:58] <EriC^^> glym: /join #ubuntu-ru
[20:58] <glym> ok =)
[20:58] <glym> senks
[20:58] <EriC^^> welcome
[20:59] <glym> how are you? =)
[20:59] <EriC^^> glym: good thanks you?
[21:00] <CaptainQuirk> EriC^^, I cannot reach termbin.com
[21:00] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: do you have an internet connection?
[21:00] <CaptainQuirk> not on the laptop no
[21:01] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: can you get it connected?
[21:02] <glym> eric you from,
[21:03] <MonkeyDust> glym  this is the support channel, use #ubuntu-offtopic for nice social chat
[21:04] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: Okay, it's done.  Shall I try to reboot?
[21:04] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: Yes, holding the option key.
[21:04] <Richard_Cavell> Okay I'm going to disappear for a sec
[21:11] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: Hello, Sir.  The USB stick was not recognized as bootable by my EFI.  (I got "Macintosh HD" and "Recovery" only)
[21:13] <yocs0000> Richard_Cavell: is USB boot in the bios?
[21:14] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: Can you post another screenshot of the contents (or the output of "ls /Volumes/*/")?
[21:14] <Jordan_U> yocs0000: This is a Mac, so holding option is the correct way to boot from USB.
[21:14] <Richard_Cavell> yocs0000: I'm using an iMac5,1 and its EFI is not configurable so far as I can tell
[21:15] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: Try the official instructions here: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[21:15] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: https://ibin.co/33urBduyGCpi.png
[21:17] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: Well, that is correct. There must be something needed that I didn't think about. Hopefully the official instructions will work.
[21:17] <yocs0000> Jordan_U: OK
[21:17] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: Did you check that the USB drive is Fat32 rather than exfat?
[21:18] <Nicmavr> Is the ubuntu desktop a 64-bit OS download? I'm confused as it doesn't state it anywhere
[21:20] <yocs0000> Nicmavr: yes
[21:21] <Nicmavr> yocs0000, what's the difference between that and the AMD64?
[21:21] <mcphail> Nicmavr: if you need 32 bit see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[21:21] <CaptainQuirk> How can I repair my failed hp laptop installation ?
[21:21] <Nicmavr> mcphail, looking for the 64-bit actually :)
[21:21] <yocs0000> Nicmavr: that is the 64 bit ....
[21:21] <Nicmavr> yocs0000, ok thanks
[21:21] <yocs0000> CaptainQuirk: well, bt giving us some information first?
[21:21] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: My USB stick is FAT32.  unetbootin crashes on my machine - I don't know why.
[21:21] <Jordan_U> Nicmavr: AMD came up with the 64 bit x86 architecure that both Intel and AMD use today.
[21:22] <CaptainQuirk> yocs0000, I did but EriC^^ offered help and doesn't seem to be around anymore
[21:22] <CaptainQuirk> so, let's start again
[21:22] <EriC^^> hi
[21:22] <CaptainQuirk> oh you're there sorry
[21:22] <CaptainQuirk> thought you were gone
[21:23] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: i asked you if you could get it connected to the internet
[21:23] <CaptainQuirk> And I am
[21:23] <CaptainQuirk> performed the command you asked
[21:23] <EriC^^> ok, did it give you a link back?
[21:23] <CaptainQuirk> But I don't get any url back from termbin
[21:23] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: The only way forward that I can see is to use unetbootin on a Windows machine at the library to install the Ubuntu .iso.  That's if you think it'll work.
[21:24] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: ok try sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[21:24] <EriC^^> then sudo parted -l | pastebinit
[21:26] <CaptainQuirk> I'll do that ; sorry for the delay, I needed to change my keyboard
[21:28] <CaptainQuirk> pastebin.com/nyPhED0r
[21:28] <sebastian> hi all
[21:29] <EriC^^> hello seb__
[21:29] <Richard_Cavell> Rebooting again...
[21:29] <EriC^^> SebastianFlyte:
[21:30] <EriC^^> sorry guys, mishighlights
[21:30] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: ok, so it's installed in uefi mode right now
[21:31] <EriC^^> do you want to convert it to legacy?
[21:31] <CaptainQuirk> What are the prons and cons ?
[21:32] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: uefi is newer, and it's a tad quicker to boot (maybe 1 sec), also the bootloaders can coexist windows and ubuntu and others on the same efi partition plus you have secureboot if you want it
[21:33] <EriC^^> the cons are some manufacturers use a wrong implementation and make it difficult to boot os other than windows, there are workarounds though
[21:33] <CaptainQuirk> I got warned several times using the first system I installed that some drivers could not work with secure boot enabled
[21:33] <CaptainQuirk> and given the issues I had, I'd like to leave secure boot off for the moment
[21:33] <EriC^^> yeah, you need to disable it for some stuff
[21:34] <EriC^^> you can have secureboot off + uefi
[21:34] <CaptainQuirk> so what should be my next step ?
[21:35] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: try to get it booting with uefi and secureboot off and reinstall the drivers that were giving the warning
[21:35] <CaptainQuirk> for now nothing boots
[21:35] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: ok, type sudo apt-get install efibootmgr
[21:36] <EriC^^> are you sure uefi is enabled in the bios?
[21:36] <EriC^^> and csm legacy disabled ?
[21:36] <CaptainQuirk> let me restart the laptop
[21:36] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: hold on
[21:36] <EriC^^> install efibootmgr first to check something
[21:36] <CaptainQuirk> too late
[21:36] <CaptainQuirk> sorry
[21:37] <CaptainQuirk> legacy mode is disabled
[21:37] <CaptainQuirk> as is secure boot
[21:37] <CaptainQuirk> still can't boot
[21:37] <CaptainQuirk> I get a firmware recovery screen
[21:38] <EriC^^> ok, press f9 when the pc boots
[21:38] <CaptainQuirk> I can go back to a live session now
[21:38] <EriC^^> did you try f9?
[21:38] <CaptainQuirk> didn't have the time no
[21:38] <CaptainQuirk> what was it for ?
[21:39] <EriC^^> to try to boot the actual install
[21:39] <EriC^^> restart the pc, follow instructions
[21:40] <CaptainQuirk> ok
[21:40] <CaptainQuirk> I'm in the boot manager
[21:41] <CaptainQuirk> I have 4 entries
[21:41] <CaptainQuirk> USB Hard Drive, Os boot Manager (Window Boot Manager), Os boot Manager ubuntu and Boot From EFI file
[21:41] <EriC^^> ok try ubuntu
[21:42] <CaptainQuirk> I got grub
[21:42] <CaptainQuirk> selected ubuntu
[21:42] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: ok
[21:43] <CaptainQuirk> loggin in
[21:43] <javier_> de argentina alguien
[21:43] <EriC^^> !argentina | javier_
[21:44] <CaptainQuirk> what shall I do to make it boot on the ubuntu EFI by default ?
[21:44] <CaptainQuirk> I guess the windows EFI is damaged
[21:44] <EriC^^> type sudo efibootmgr -v
[21:44] <EriC^^> and pastebin it
[21:45] <CaptainQuirk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23565013
[21:47] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: sudo efibootmgr -o 2001,0002,3001,0001,2002,2004
[21:47] <CaptainQuirk> boot entry 2004 does not exist
[21:48] <EriC^^> remove it from the command
[21:48] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: what hp laptop do you have?
[21:48] <EriC^^> it's pretty amazing it's not trying to force you to boot the windows one
[21:49] <CaptainQuirk> EriC^^, well I think it did
[21:49] <jansen> I can't install nVidia proprietary drivers on 16.04 for GTX970. When I do it either stalls at a black screen or at HDD decrypt screen but with low res and unable to type inn password. The only way I know how to get it up and running again is reinstalling and running on stock nouveau drivers. Guides online tell me to add "nomodeset" to GRUB but I don't see it when the computer starts. I've tried turning off secure boot.
[21:49] <EriC^^> you said it froze many times and you were booting fine though no?
[21:49] <CaptainQuirk> yeah, that was before messing around with the bios
[21:49] <CaptainQuirk> after that, I could not get ubuntu to boot
[21:50] <EriC^^> it's probably the resetting of the bios that switched windows back
[21:50] <CaptainQuirk> probably
[21:51] <CaptainQuirk> what should I do after the last command ,
[21:51] <CaptainQuirk> s/,/?/
[21:52] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: try rebooting
[21:53] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: I installed refind and it recognized the USB stick as Ubuntu, but refused to boot from it.
[21:53] <CaptainQuirk> EriC^^, could not boot on ubuntu without going through the f9 procedure
[21:53] <Richard_Cavell> The only remaining option is to try to boot into debian, download unetbootin, use that to burn the iso to the USB stick.  Do you think that will work when the DVD won't?
[21:54] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: same firmware screen?
[21:54] <CaptainQuirk> yep
[21:54] <wabbits> Hi folks I want to use a bluetooth headset with Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS. What version of pulseaudio is included?
[21:54] <EriC^^> ok try sudo efibootmgr -v again
[21:54] <nacc> !info pulseaudio xenial | wabbits
[21:55] <wabbits> thanks nacc
[21:55] <wabbits> !info bluez xenial
[21:55] <CaptainQuirk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23565045
[21:56] <jukem> Hey all, so this probably isnt the BEST place to ask this, but I don't really know too many people that are into super low-level compiler stuff.  But, what's the point of restoring the stack pointer when a child procedure is done executing?
[21:57] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: try sudo efibootmgr -A -b 0001
[21:57] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: that should disable the windows efi
[21:57] <jukem> I understand that the child procedure stores the value of current stack pointer, then the child executes, but then it restores the stack_pointer to where it was before the child even started.  Why?
[21:57] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: sudo efibootmgr -a -b 0001 enables it back if you need it in the future
[21:57] <CaptainQuirk> ok
[21:58] <CaptainQuirk> in case I need to get the computer back for maintenance or anything
[21:58] <nacc> jukem: 1) probable ask in a programming channel (see !alis); 2) if you didn't restore the sp, where would the caller's sp point?
[21:58] <CaptainQuirk> Eric^^, it's working now !
[21:59] <EriC^^> CaptainQuirk: great
[21:59] <jukem> nacc:  Wouldn't it point to the end of the child procedure?  Cause doesn't the parent procedure just decrement the stack_pointer to after the child procedure anyway after the child is done executing?
[22:00] <nacc> jukem: you're speaking rather abstractly about something concrete -- do you mean for a specific language and compiler?
[22:01] <jukem> If I had to guess, C.  I'm learning this kind of stuff in my compilers class at my university but classes are so impacted its difficult to talk to the professor directly about this kind of stuff.
[22:02] <jukem> Plus the book I'
[22:02] <jukem> m reading was written in the 80's so they refer to stuff like Fortran a lot
[22:03] <jukem> nacc: sorry for the vague-ness, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the big picture concept
[22:03] <nacc> jukem: https://www.cs.umd.edu/class/sum2003/cmsc311/Notes/Mips/stack.html  the section on functions?
[22:03] <NoImNotNineVolt> jukem: your question is language-agnostic.
[22:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> it's a question about binary code, not source code.
[22:04] <carl-eric> Hi! How can I find out which of the harddisks in my system the "automatic" partition mode in ubiquity wants to target? I'm trying to have an encrypted LVM installation, and since the text mode installer seems to not work properly with UEFI anymore I seem to be stuck with Ubiquity. Its "manual" mode doesn't allow me to set up LVM though. What can I do?
[22:04] <jukem> Well, we've been using some flex and bison.
[22:04] <jukem> the book does mention yes that this procedure varies a lot between languages
[22:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> fundamentally, i believe you're asking how procedures/subroutines are called.
[22:05] <Jordan_U> jukem: Try #compilers
[22:05] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's probably a good suggestion.
[22:06] <NoImNotNineVolt> it's been a while, but.... are you sure you mean to ask about the stack pointer and not the program counter?
[22:07] <jukem> Jordan_U: Man, there's a channel for everything lol.  It's just a bummer when channels are a barren wasteland.  That's why my first instinct was to hop over here lol, it's always poppin'
[22:07] <jukem> NoImNotNineVolt: Yeah it's definitely the stack pointer
[22:07] <NoImNotNineVolt> the stack pointer is only incremented or decremented when things are pushed/popped to/from the stack
[22:08] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, at a fundamental level, here's how a procedure is called:
[22:09] <NoImNotNineVolt> program counter is pushed to stack. arguments are pushed to stack. program counter is overwritten with procedure address. procedure pops arguments off stack, executes.
[22:09] <mpo42vr> ubuntu-server
[22:09] <NoImNotNineVolt> then it pops the value from the stack and stores to program counter.
[22:09] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's how it returns.
[22:09] <NoImNotNineVolt> the stack pointer is incremented and decremented as a result of the stack operations only.
[22:11] <NoImNotNineVolt> overwriting the stack pointer would effectively destroy the stack (practically, if not technically).
[22:12] <younder> NoImNotNineVolt, Would that be the execution stack or the data stack..
[22:12] <NoImNotNineVolt> younder: that's now an architecture-specific question.
[22:13] <NoImNotNineVolt> the question as asked implied the existence of only a single stack pointer.
[22:13] <jukem> Well, there's two pointers they mention.  top_sp and top
[22:13] <jukem> I think top_sp is more local and top is the "actual" top of stack
[22:13] <NoImNotNineVolt> what architecture is this?
[22:14] <jukem> here's a screen grab from my book, http://imgur.com/GK39cuv
[22:14] <NoImNotNineVolt> ugh, what is this :P
[22:14] <jukem> Im confused about why the sp needs to be restored.  Cause, from what I understand, the sp is decremented to an address after the child process anyway
[22:15] <jukem> LOL it's a book written in 1986
[22:15] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, you can do fun things with stacks :P
[22:15] <jukem> Im not askin' for homework help or anything, I just really like this kind of stuff and want to have a deeper understanding
[22:15] <jukem> lol yes indeed
[22:16] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, what i described is the basic (very, very basic) description of how the simplest of computers is likely to handle procedure calls.
[22:16] <NoImNotNineVolt> the pic16 architecture works that way, if i remember correctly.
[22:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> but pic16 only has one general register and one stack pointer and is generally speaking a very very simply computer :P
[22:17] <Jordan_U> NoImNotNineVolt: jukem: Please move this discussion to another channel, like #compilers or #ubuntu-offtopic.
[22:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> gotcha, sorry.
[22:17] <jukem> Jordan_U: will do.   I was just gettin' on a roll.
[22:17] <jukem> Thanks for knowledge guys :) 'ppreciate ya.
[22:18] <porkstore> anyone know why my chrome / firefox proxy settings don't work
[22:18] <porkstore> sorry i mean just chrome
[22:21] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: Is there any way of explaining why Debian boots just fine on my iMac but Ubuntu and Mint do not?
[22:26] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: I don't know why that is the case. If the Debian DVD boots via EFI though, then it's not terribly difficult to use Debian's grub to boot Ubuntu's installer.
[22:26] <Richard_Cavell> Jordan_U: Even once it installs, I need it to boot reliably
[22:27] <Richard_Cavell> I might just have to use debian *shrug*
[22:27] <Jordan_U> Richard_Cavell: I expect that booting once installed will be fine, but I can't guarantee that 100%.
[22:30] <Richard_Cavell> Funnily enough I might end up installing Debian and then virtualizing Ubuntu within it...
[22:31] <CaptainQuirk> I'm trying to install the dropbox client on ubuntu 16.04 but I get unmet dependencies
[22:31] <CaptainQuirk> Not the first time I get that kind of issues
[22:32] <Jordan_U> CaptainQuirk: How did you try to install dropbox client? (The way I would recommend would be "sudo apt install nautilus-dropbox" but if you've already started doing something else you may need to undo what you have done first).
[22:33] <CaptainQuirk> I try to download the deb package from https://www.dropbox.com/fr/install-linux
[22:34] <Jordan_U> CaptainQuirk: sudo apt remove dropbox && sudo apt install nautilus-dropbox
[22:38] <CaptainQuirk> Jordan_U, thanks
[22:39] <Jordan_U> CaptainQuirk: You're welcome.
[22:45] <Trev_> why i cant connect to any irc chat? with a PPTP vpn?
[22:47] <KennyG> nnnn
[22:48] <Trev_> anyone know why i cant connect to any irc chat with a PTPP vpn exept website.freenode?
[22:49] <genii> Probably because the networks you are trying to connect to don't allow it
[22:56] <danielcregg> Can't increase volume, in settings above 100% as greyed out. What to do to fix?
[22:59] <jdjjdi> Hi all. What fs could you advise for me? I have 2 gib of ram so it seems I need dynamical swap. Another question is if I can boot from lvm2?
[23:02] <danielcregg> Can't increase volume, in settings above 100% as greyed out. What to do to fix?
[23:02] <Robert_> hy guys
[23:03] <Guest99677> guys told me if i need orginal ubuntu dvd to ask here
[23:03] <danielcregg> Anyone know how to de-install sound and re-install?
[23:03] <Guest99677> guys told me if i need orginal ubuntu dvd to ask here
[23:03] <Guest99677> guys told me if i need orginal ubuntu dvd to ask hereguys told me if i need orginal ubuntu dvd to ask here
[23:03] <jim> jdjjdi, as long as linux can mount the / vol or partition, you can boot with lvm
[23:04] <jim> Guest99677, you don't actually need a dvd full of packages... what are you trying to do?\
[23:04] <jdjjdi> So I don't need an extra boot partition, do I?
[23:05] <jim> I like to have /boot as a separate partition not in lvm, but I don't think you need to do that
[23:06] <squinty> !torrent | Guest99677
[23:06] <lit68> hi, i just installed apache on ubuntu server vm, right now the root user has write access to /var/www/html, how can i give my user 'Niz' access to /var/www/html so i dont have to use the root user to edit it??
[23:06] <jdjjdi> Thank you. What about fs?
[23:07] <squinty> !torrents | Guest99677
[23:07] <jim> it's mostly about what drivers are available to you at boot time... if you have the necessary drivers to mount /, you should be ok
[23:08] <jim> I think people like using ext4 (it's a posix compatible fs, and it's pretty fast)
[23:08] <jdjjdi> Yes, but it can run out of inodes
[23:09] <jim> is there a fs that doesn't do that?
[23:09] <jdjjdi> ntfs has no inodes, btrfs has no inodes
[23:11] <jim> jdjjdi, you should probably rule out ntfs, it's not compatible... however, you can mount ntfs filesystems
[23:11] <jim> btrfs, I don't know how stable it is
[23:12] <jim> I've heard some scary stuff
[23:12] <jdjjdi> it was just en example of fses not making user to preselect number of inodes
[23:12] <jim> -however-, I don't know the exact details
[23:30] <ajaj> Hello, every package I try to install with apt-get gives me a mismatched hash error. Updating and upgrading didnt resolve it, I've tried the most reliable answer I could find online without success, any help much appreciated
[23:32] <Bashing-om> ajaj: Many times it is your mirror site that has not sync'd up . Try and change your mirror and see if the problem persist .
[23:33] <ajaj> Sounds good, I'll try that. Thanks a lot for your help
[23:34] <Bashing-om> ajaj: :) Let is know how it goes . ^ may not be the reason. just a good possibility and needs to be ruled out .
[23:36] <jdjjdi> I'm moving data from ntfs to some linux fs. What should I do if that fs were ext4? Should I select number of inodes for full size or inodes count will grow with the partition size?
[23:38] <jdjjdi> p.s. I'm going to move the data and shrink ntfs and extend the fs.
[23:39] <Bashing-om> jdjjdi: The number of inodes is set when the partition is created for ext4 . You should not have to do anything . Now if it is a whole bunch of little bitty files . Mwy then have to get creative .
[23:42] <jdjjdi> so should i calculate them manually using the full target size of partition and set explicitly?
[23:43] <wedgie> jdjjdi: unless you have an unusual data set you can safely use the defaults
[23:43] <wedgie> unusual meaning, as Bashing-om said, many many small files
[23:44] <Jordan_U> jdjjdi: Select a number appropriate for the full volume size, and how you expect to use that volume.
[23:46] <DjKniteX> I can't for the life of me get the ubuntu software center to open
[23:46] <DjKniteX> it just keeps closing everytime I hopen it
[23:47] <jdjjdi> If I use it for main system, developing and building software, what ratio should I choose?
[23:54] <neon_squirrel> Do you guys know if dconf has an IRC?


[01:24] <RAOF> What the hell's happening with software-center in precise-proposed?
[01:28] <RAOF> Ah, that's what.
[01:34] <ScottK> RAOF: I have a bit of time for SRU training, if that should happen to fit with your schedule?
[01:35] <RAOF> ScottK: Yeah, why not. I'm currently processing the queue anyway.
[01:35] <ScottK> OK.  How should we do this?
[01:36] <RAOF> Let's start with our status pages, and pick off some representative tasks.
[01:36] <ScottK> OK.  PM or here (not sure if we need to bore everyone with this - I'm good either way thoug)?
[01:36] <RAOF> You're already familiar with the archive tools, so those bits won't be very interesting; it'll mostly be the process that you need learning?
[01:37] <cjwatson> If it's here it's logged, which might be useful later.
[02:07] <ScottK> Oh.  We already moved, but I don't think it's that useful.
[02:33] <stgraber> looks like the new queuebot isn't nearly as reliable, reverting, will test it some more
[03:00] <RAOF> cjwatson: I've run ScottK through the various SRU processes; given he's already an AA you could probably add him to ~ubuntu-sru now.
[03:08] <cjwatson> RAOF,ScottK: Fine by me - done
[03:08] <cjwatson> Thanks :-)
[03:08] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:29] <ScottK> Inaugural SRU accept done ^^^.
[03:34]  * micahg hugs ScottK
[03:39] <micahg> RAOF: re the chromium SRU, I have not done any further testing, but as it seems to have fixed a top crasher, I'm tempted to say, let's just push it out
[03:40]  * micahg likes the first seen/last seen on errors.u.c
[03:41] <micahg> RAOF: at least for precise that is, let me get back to you tomorrow on that
[03:41] <bradm> anyone about who could help with cleaning up cdimage machines?
[03:41] <cjwatson> bradm: Yes
[03:42] <cjwatson> bradm: Do you mean nusakan or cdimage.u.c?
[03:42] <bradm> cjwatson: ultimately cdimage.u.c
[03:42] <bradm> cjwatson: those servers are getting close to running out of space
[03:42] <cjwatson> ah, I see the problem, purging wasn't running for the precise daily builds
[03:43] <bradm> cjwatson: I see there's some 150G of kubuntu precise daily images
[03:43] <RAOF> micahg: Thanks. Given that it fixes a number of security flaws it's probably worth pushing out, even if it has some new crashers.
[03:43] <RAOF> Stupid browsers. Why can't they just work :)
[03:44] <cjwatson> bradm: as I say, the auto-purging was broken - no need to single out Kubuntu
[03:44] <bradm> cjwatson: ah, right
[03:46] <bradm> cjwatson: so do you need anything done from our side?
[03:46] <cjwatson> Nope
[03:46] <cjwatson> Should have it fixed in a few minutes
[03:47] <bradm> excellent, thanks
[03:50] <cjwatson> bradm: syncing out now; -> bed
[03:51] <ScottK> All the way up to 21.0 kB/s.  Ain't hotel wifi wonderful.
[03:52] <bradm> cjwatson: thanks heaps
[07:58] <tkamppeter__> cjwatson, hi
[08:01] <NCommander> infinity: you awake? part of the highbank kernel landed in universe by accident
[08:01] <NCommander> (linux-highbank is the binary). The rest went into main, I think this was just an oversight
[08:02] <NCommander> I can write a MIR if required though
[08:02] <NCommander> ^- (or any awake archive admin)
[08:29] <infinity> NCommander: In which release?
[08:30] <infinity> NCommander: Oh, security, updates, and proposed.  Slick.
[08:30] <infinity> NCommander: Will fix.
[08:30] <NCommander> infinity: thanks
[08:31] <NCommander> brbr, need to reboot
[08:33] <NCommander> back
[08:38] <infinity> NCommander: Should be all fixed in ~60m or so.
[08:38] <NCommander> great
[08:41] <infinity> It might be bedtime.  I just (intentionally) did a clean-room reimplementation of dpkg-maintscript-helper.  I feel kinda dirty.
[09:00] <NCommander> infinity: ow
[09:01] <NCommander> infinity: why did you reimplement it though?
[09:08] <infinity> NCommander: Because I needed to mangle the files halfway through the rename/remove process, so I couldn't use rm_conffile, for fear that if the implementation changed, it would break my mid-helper fiddling.
[09:08] <xnox> NCommander: i think he was merging dpkg all night or something of that sort
[09:23] <NCommander> infinity: ow. I think you broke my brain
[09:44] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: Hello
[10:06] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, I have uploaded a SRU for foomatic-filters, bug 1002699. Can you approve the package? Thanks.
[10:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1002699 in foomatic-filters "cups not respecting printing options" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002699
[10:06] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: I normally leave new SRUs to the other members of the SRU team - they're better practised at it than I am
[10:06] <cjwatson> They should see it in the queue
[15:20] <NCommander> win 26


 how long does it take to get unbanned ?
[00:41] <bazhang> real name: HaTTer
[00:41] <rww> NeVEr
 bazhang yolo
[01:38] <bazhang> super bad news
 Hello friends, what is the best way to disable ACPI?  I'm tired of the NSA riding my D
[08:06] <bazhang> PM with shutemdown went well
[08:40] <bazhang> git-cola): highly caffeinated git GUI
[08:40] <bazhang> hehe
[09:08] <bazhang> how can I root my BMW on-board computer. I use Ubuntu
[09:08] <bazhang> halp
[09:09] <k1l_> how to repair my mercedes benz. i have bunch of ubuntu cds in the trunk
[09:09] <bazhang> hahahaha
[09:10] <DJones> To repair a Mercedes Benz? Don't you just replace the driver
[09:10] <k1l_> :)
[09:10] <bazhang> !ouch
[09:13] <DJones> Thinking about it, Merc drivers are pretty sane, its the brand new Range Rover drivers I worry about when I see them in the rear view mirror
[09:26] <DJones> I've set a banforward from #ubuntu to ##fix_your_connection for SittingShiva (BT ref 62130), pm'd and explained and asked them to let either me or #ubuntu-ops know when its stabilised for it to be removed
[09:45] <DJones> Removed as it seems to have fixed itself
[09:53] <DJones> And reinstated under 62131
[13:57] <ikonia> nothing
[13:58] <k1l> *sigh*
[14:11] <SMileyMcgee> !ops
[14:11] <SMileyMcgee> unless ye repent you shall all like wise perish
[14:12] <ikonia> already told the bot to ignore him
[14:12] <ikonia> so it won't trigger any more
[15:18] <bazhang> hairiseverywhere and hello are on the same address
[15:18] <DJones> Pretty much yep, not sure how to set a +q on the web gateway addresses
[15:19] <bazhang>  /mode #channel +q *!*@ip
[15:20] <DJones> Ah yeah, didn't think of that, thought there was something special for web gateway addresses
[15:20] <bazhang> chanserv.py chokes on the gateway
[15:20] <bazhang> the former floodbots would ban the IP on remove
[15:21] <DJones> Set /mode +q<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which should stop the issue now
[15:21] <ikonia> I don't think it does
[15:21] <ikonia> as the webchat gets around it
[15:21] <bazhang> yep
[15:21] <ikonia> (as in the web chat cloak)
[15:21] <DJones> I see what you mean
[15:21] <ikonia> he's gone
[15:21] <ikonia> he'll only come back with a new ip, just catch it when you see it
[15:22] <DJones> Would /mode +q<EMAIL_ADDRESS>catch it
[15:22] <ikonia> yes,,,,
[15:22] <ikonia> I think
[15:22] <DJones> Seems to pick up the gateway part of the cloak
[15:23] <ikonia> qi ?
[15:23] <DJones> Just wondering that
[15:23] <DJones> I did /mode +q<EMAIL_ADDRESS>It added the i itself
[15:27] <ikonia> ircadmin is back
[15:27] <bazhang> multiple channels network wide
[15:27] <ikonia> yay
[15:36] <Pricey> A full ip e.g<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would work against both webchat and direct connections.
[15:36] <bazhang> what about a cloak, should IRCadmin get his wish
[15:36] <Pici> ip bans always see through cloaks
[15:37] <bazhang> suhweet
[15:37] <bazhang> I wonder if /cs lart could fix the gateway ban/quiet choke
[15:55] <IdleOne> Why was #ubuntu set +i ?
[15:55] <Pici> DJones typo?
[15:55] <IdleOne> maybe
[16:18] <IdleOne> Pici: he is looking for the lord of the rings