[00:04] <meir> Hi everyone .. still can not get TERMINAL even though I search for it as KONSOLE .. it berigs up konsole profile ..just a white blanl page ...
[00:11] <janet2104> hi there
[00:12] <BarkingFish> hi janet2104
[00:20] <meir> Anyone knows how to get the Adobe flash player ?
[00:21] <ionite> what does this means? Cannot get the exclusive lock on the packaging backend. Please close any other legacy packaging t
[00:25] <dthacker> Hello
[00:27] <dthacker> I'm reading mail in kontact.   When I click on a URL in an email, I open.....Winebrowser?   I've checked default application setttings and the radio button "open in an application based on settings" is checked.    Is that configurable in kontact?
[04:27] <riff> compiz doesn't seem to be working on my gnome enviroment what do i need to check to find out why?
[04:29] <romeus> hello :-)
[04:30] <romeus> I noticed that KDE 4.7.1 was released today and was wondering if there's a PPA for Natty available to give it a try?
[07:10] <amichair> http://kde.org/info/4.7.1.php - links to kubuntu announcement, which mentions nothing of 4.7.1
[08:45] <phoenix_firebrd> hello
[09:02] <faLUCE> hi, how can I say "hello world" with a command line?
[09:14] <Fanfare> Hi all! Is there a plasma(-netbook) channel ?
[09:28] <Fanfare> Q: how to get plasma-netbook (0.2) in kubuntu (11.04)  with KDE (4.7.00) get to show contacts?
[09:36] <James147> faLUCE: echo "Hello world"  ...
[09:46] <noaXess> aaaaa.. xorg is driving me grazy.. cpu usage if no other open app is running 10-20%.. een if effects are disabled
[09:46] <OerHeks> noaXess, why is that bad ?
[09:47] <noaXess> cause that can't be..
[09:49] <noaXess> OerHeks: what cpu usage does your xorg has.. if no programm is running?
[09:49] <noaXess> approx?
[09:51] <OerHeks> 12-20% ( Kubuntu )
[09:51] <OerHeks> running a Athlon II x2 3.0 Ghrz
[09:56] <noaXess> OerHeks: so.. it's hight, right?.. and if you have also newest firefox open with some tabs.. ff need also 20-30% cpu.. and whole system is slow.. grrr.
[09:56] <noaXess> ff6 has some performance problem. or uses to mutch cpu
[09:57] <OerHeks> noaXess, same issue when you try Chromium ?
[09:57] <noaXess> OerHeks: i'm also on latest stabel kubuntu with kde 4.7.. maybe kde 4.7 has some problems too..
[09:57] <noaXess> OerHeks: you mean googles chrom?
[09:57] <noaXess> e
[09:58] <James147> noaXess: not seeing any problems with 4.7 here
[09:58] <OerHeks> well, google's chrome is a fancy chromium with flash & IDnumber
[09:58] <noaXess> James147: see here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278891
[09:58] <James147> (though I am on arch... so kubuntus cant say the same for kubuntus version)
[09:59] <James147> noaXess: whats that have to do with xorg?
[10:00] <noaXess> James147: :).. nothing real.. but a bug in kde 4.7.. and still not fixe din 4.7.1.. only to inform ;)
[10:01] <James147> noaXess: yes, there are still many bugs... but I am not seeing the xorg one here
[10:01] <noaXess> so.. lunchtime here ;).. see ya later..
[12:56] <stoneman> i have dell 5110 with kubuntu 10.04 and i have integrate  intel video card and NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 525m card... how to switch to nvidia.. ?? pls some help
[12:56] <stoneman> *integrated
[13:02] <AlexZion> hi stoneman, so do you have an optimus system laptop ....
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:18] <mudassar> Hello people, please tell me a quick way to install video/audio codec pack in kubuntu 11.04 so that I never get a message of plugin needed or coded not supported etc
[15:19] <mudassar> in firefox or in any place
[15:20] <OerHeks> mudassar, install Kubuntu restricted extra;s = codecs & multimedia tools
[15:20] <OerHeks> !restricted
[15:20] <mudassar> please tell me the command to do so
[15:20] <Octodigit> hey folks :)
[15:20] <mudassar> sudo apt-get install ** ??
[15:21] <Octodigit> Has anyone here tried this and had success when it's done: http://www.mindwerks.net/2011/04/ubuntu-11-04-natty-with-fglrx-and-2-6-39/ as I had similar issues after it, as before, and rolled it back.
[15:22] <Octodigit> my mission is to be able to use compiz and fglrx together with the xorg in the current distros
[15:23] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:23] <Octodigit> I'd like to be able to try Unity too out of curiosity, although it's not crucial
[15:23] <Octodigit> OerHeks: me?
[15:24] <OerHeks> mudassar ^^
[15:24] <Octodigit> ah, ok :)
[15:26] <Octodigit> so what's the story, is there no way of doing it? Is everyone able to do this and I'm behind the curve? Is it not supported?
[15:26] <Octodigit> I mean obviously it's no big deal if it's not, it just seems a bit of a mystery, and I've not really met anyone who knows so far :)
[15:27] <Octodigit> just sort of... silence every time I try to strike up this question. For months really :)
[15:28] <Octodigit> :(
[15:29] <Octodigit> ah well, nvm, thanks anyway, folks.
[15:29] <Octodigit> stay groovy :)
[15:32] <mudassar> still it did not run the video http://geo.tv/videos.asp?link=mms://wm.vitalstreamcdn.com/stream_geo_tv/ImportantEvents/Rain_OSRD_1200.wmv for me
[15:36] <BluesKaj> mudassar, you need the wndows media plugin wmv , I beleive
[15:37] <jony> if I install XP after Kubuntu 11.04, the GRUB it will automatically add it in OS boot option menu?
[15:43] <mudassar> i following this but still did not work http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Using%20the%20Windows%20Media%20Player%20plugin%20with%20Firefox
[15:45] <mudassar> something is installed but it does not play any video
[15:46] <mudassar> it worked now
[15:46] <mudassar> thanks
[15:46] <BluesKaj> jony, no grub will need to be reinstalled
[15:46] <jony> I have grub v2, right?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> jony, if you're  on anything newer than 9.04, yes
[15:50] <jony> hoow can I reinstall it?
[15:50] <jony> I boot the live cd, and then?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> !Grub2
[15:50] <jony> 11.04 is my v
[16:58] <FK_King> hello every one.. i want to contribute to kde.. want to do any open source project that uses cpp/c ... can any one involve me
[18:36] <AQua34> hi
[19:20] <BarkingFish> evening guys, got a package failing to install - I'm trying to add the sun jre to my system, and kpackagekit is failing it.
[19:21] <BarkingFish> not a very descriptive error, but it shows something is wrong, clearly - subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[19:22] <BarkingFish> package is sun-java6-jre-6.26-1natty1 (i386)
[19:30] <James147> BarkingFish: try sudo apt-get install -f
[19:32] <BarkingFish> James147, I'll look at rebuilding the package I need it for, since the package is dependant upon having the sun-java6-jre installed for it to run
[19:50]  * [DeVil-BoY] greetins
[20:40] <afief> Would it be better to upgrade to the kde 4.7 PPA or Kubuntu 11.10 beta at this point in time?
[22:13] <meir> hello everyone
[22:15] <meir> anyone .. I can not find Terminal for some reason , even when I search for konsole  it will bring up just a white box .. how do I resolve this isssssue .. anyone ?
[22:17] <OerHeks> meir gnome-terminal = kde-Konsole
[22:21] <meir> anyone .. I can not find Terminal for some reason , even when I search for konsole  it will bring up just a white box .. how do I resolve this isssssue .. anyone ?
[22:21] <OerHeks> meir gnome-terminal = kde-Konsole
[22:22] <OerHeks> i just wonder why you won't get prompt
[22:31] <meir_> OerHeks... did not work for me    kde-konsole
[22:31] <OerHeks> no, open Alt + F2 : konsole
[22:32] <OerHeks> the previous post was to show difference in naming
[22:34] <meir_> OerHeks: thank you .. however , I tried that too , it gets me to a white box .. no luck
[22:38] <meir_> c
[22:40] <afief> I take it he's saying that he tries to report problems, but apport disappears halfway through after he enters his password(into gksudo?)
[22:42] <OerHeks> that could be, if the prompt to execute a command shows up, i understand this does not happen at all.
[22:43] <OerHeks> what does .xsession-errors show when attempting to start konsole:
[22:44] <OerHeks> paste large textfile in paste.ubuntu.com
[22:46] <transformers> hI EVERYONE ! I LOVE KUBUNTU AND UBUNTU  IT`S A KIND OF MAGIC GOOD BUY WINDOWS........OH.........MY FAVARITE GAMES......KANE WRATH AND DEVIL MAY CRY 4
[22:48] <transformers> WHERE IS A GIRLS IN THIS CHAT?
[22:48] <OerHeks> hi transformers, welcome and please check wine HQ database how to install windows games
[22:49] <transformers> OER HEKS Hi thanks
[22:50] <transformers> Oer Heks i used playOnlinux
[22:51] <transformers> in moscow deep night hello world
[23:00] <transformers> 2 days later i would create web site with magic photo kubuntu
[23:15] <kaysha> Bonjour à tous
[23:16] <kaysha> hum, je cherche à rejoindre un chan pour discuter de SQL, pourriez vous m'aider ?
[23:16] <kaysha> Je ne connais absolument pas IRC :s
[23:17] <BarkingFish> !fr | kaysha
[23:17] <markit> hi, I've an acer aspire 5920 laptop, seems to work but keyboard is set to "numeric" behaviour, like when you have "blue FN" pressed... any idea?
[23:17] <markit> a sort of "FN lock"
[23:22] <markit> found, stupid me
[23:22] <markit> (was block num set, that in normal pc is fine, not in laptop)
[23:25] <transformers> kaysha hello i`m george
[23:52] <transformers> kaysha  Bonjour! Bonjour de la Russie ! Mon nom est George nous allons être amis et communiquer, si vous ne faites pas attention, nous vous parler bientôt sur Skype ou écrire des lettres à l'autre par courrier. Moi je veux ouvrir une boutique sur le développement du projet Kubuntu en Russie, près de la ville de Moscou de 30 ans. Caixa que je suis comme les jeux informatiques, j'aime les fleurs et les chiens. Je compose belle
[23:52] <transformers> musique à la guitare électrique. Un énorme blagodprnost′ programmeurs Ubuntu pour la possibilité de jouer de la guitare au moyen d'un ordinateur (projet Rakarrack)
[23:52] <transformers> Je peux faire du site web. Je serai heureux de nouvelles connaissances et amis, j'aime du groupe Queen et rêve de s′ezdit′ en Suisse. Je veux aider aux travaux du Kubuntu Forum en Suisse.
[23:52] <FloodBotK1> transformers: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:53] <transformers> i do not flood ! i used bing translater for french
[23:58] <transformers> who plays on electric guitar and love kubuntu let`s be friends ))) my mail qroom@mail.ru


[15:50]  * penguin42 waits for his mobile number to PAC across - it's left 3 and not quite got to rwg/now yet
[19:08] <zxmpi> will they send you a pigeon or telehgram when it's complete? :-)
[20:14] <penguin42> a pigeon sounds safer
[20:19] <zxmpi> and a free meal when you're finished with it :-P


[00:51] <snap-l> http://fukung.net/v/5781/d86933294dfe0f4b7e41889d70724f25.jpg
[00:54] <rick_h__> umm, ouch
[00:57] <snap-l> The FSF is calling YOU.
[01:21] <rick_h__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-pTFEHLC4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[01:45] <snap-l> Can anyone riddle me why fastcgi under Ubuntu doesn't come with an init script?
[02:06] <rick_h_droid> heh
[02:06] <rick_h_droid> I've got a setup for it if you need
[02:06] <snap-l> Thanks. I found one on the internets.
[02:06] <snap-l> but it's curious why that's not default
[02:06] <snap-l> or at least "hey, if you want this to run, here's a handy default"
[02:07] <rick_h_droid> yea not sure
[02:40] <snap-l> Yay, converted my site over to ngnx
[02:41] <rick_h_droid> yay!
[03:15] <snap-l> http://fukung.net/v/13223/drums.jpg
[03:25] <snap-l> http://fukung.net/v/16424/c2c3a67e313b6199d9054fc2145a2c67.jpg
[12:44] <Wolfger> Morning. Possibly even good.
[12:48] <rick_h__> party
[13:49] <snap-l> Party party.
[13:49] <snap-l> How's the morning so far?
[13:51] <rick_h__> good stuff, day off so hacking at the coffee shop for a bit
[13:54] <snap-l> rick_h__: Bet you need some time off. :)
[13:55] <rick_h__> yea, no kidding
[13:55] <rick_h__> I did such a happy dance when someone said we were off
[13:55] <rick_h__> going to stay away from the computer all afternoon and try to cool off a bit
[13:57] <tjagoda> Plenty cold outside for the cooling off today
[13:58] <snap-l> I <3 Ubuntu
[13:58] <tjagoda> It crashed, right?
[13:58] <tjagoda> I usually say that after a crash. =(
[13:58] <snap-l> typed "pdfgrep" to see if there's a way to gre PDF files
[13:58] <snap-l> and there's a command for it
[13:59] <tjagoda> I have experienced substantially less crash since I moved to KDE
[13:59] <tjagoda> My random hardlocks disappeared.
[13:59] <brousch> tjagoda: kubuntu is the future
[14:00] <tjagoda> +1
[14:00] <tjagoda> The only annoyance I have is that I cannot map the super key to bring up the launcher menu
[14:00] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning to ya
[14:01] <tjagoda> apparently QT framework restrictions in KDE's implementation prevent single key shortcuts
[14:02] <tjagoda> Brousch: also, is your update manager GUI kind of buggy?
[14:02] <brousch> tjagoda: i mapped super+space
[14:02] <tjagoda> I started using command line apt because the GUI kept getting in the way.
[14:03] <brousch> i have always used command line apt. the gui was so slow compared to command line that i never switched
[14:03] <snap-l> I <3 ALU
[14:03] <snap-l> (and this is my ranty love)
[14:03] <brousch> what is ALU?
[14:03] <snap-l> $LASTJOB
[14:04] <brousch> ut oh. the new job makes the old job look like paradise?
[14:04] <snap-l> tried an e-mail address for HR to sort out some paycheck information
[14:04] <snap-l> it bounced
[14:04] <snap-l> that's because it's not HRServiceCenter, it's HRServiceCtr
[14:05] <snap-l> Thankfully I save lots of stuff, otherwise I'd have no clue what it is
[14:06] <brousch> heh
[14:10] <brousch> i'm back on the dell today. i couldn't get an external monitor working on the macbook under ubuntu
[14:17] <snap-l> Sorry to hear that
[14:18] <brousch> oh well, that just means i need to sell it and buy a pc
[14:21] <brousch> one of those sexy little thinkpads like you guys have
[14:29] <snap-l> Heh
[14:29] <rick_h__> brousch: !!!
[14:29] <brousch> ???
[14:30] <rick_h__> on geting a TP
[14:30] <rick_h__> never been so proud :)
[14:30] <brousch> oh come on, i had a t21 and a t30 before this dell
[14:30] <snap-l> Hey!
[14:31] <snap-l> I thought it was a big deal wnen I got a Thinkpad. ;)
[14:31] <rick_h__> it was
[14:31] <brousch> now we know who the favorite padawan is
[14:31] <rick_h__> next up is the other mac happy fanboi
[14:31] <snap-l> bah
[14:31] <snap-l> should have gone last
[14:31] <rick_h__> hah, jealousy leads to hate, hate leads to mac land
[14:31] <snap-l> would get more of the prodigal son treatment
[14:31]  * snap-l brings up shop.apple.com
[14:32] <rick_h__> naw, you still win because you don't use django
[14:32] <snap-l> About that...
[14:32] <snap-l> ;)
[14:33] <rick_h__> hah, if you get john to use django I'll come down to that office and help you pack :P
[14:33] <brousch> oh man, convert all of rick_h__'s morpace code to django. that would be epic
[14:34] <Wolfger> Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to see so many loco-ites using KDE now. :-)
[14:35] <brousch> Wolfger: i would be totally satisfied with it if only i could get this ram issue under control
[14:36] <Wolfger> stop using gtk apps and see what your memory looks like :-)
[14:37] <Wolfger> since coming back on a fresh 11.10 install of Kubuntu, I've been using only Qt apps (including rekonq, which is nice when it isn't crashing, which is too often), and I'm shocked at how little memory is used.
[14:37] <snap-l> grrr....
[14:38] <snap-l> I'm very irritated at ALU right now
[14:38] <snap-l> I'm under the impression I'm supposed to be getting a "last check"
[14:38] <brousch> Wolfger: i cannot replace chrome with reconk
[14:38] <snap-l> sent a note to the HR desk
[14:38] <snap-l> and they sent me a canned "ADP handles our payroll. Ask them"
[14:38] <brousch> that's like replacing a macbook pro with a dell latitude
[14:39] <Wolfger> brousch: Which "can't"; technically incapable, or stubbornly unwilling?
[14:39] <brousch> i cannot live without chrome. all of my google is in it
[14:40] <Wolfger> That's the nice thing about Google...
[14:40] <Wolfger> It lives in any browser on any computer
[14:40] <snap-l> mostly.
[14:41] <snap-l> I've had some trouble with sync
[14:41] <brousch> but my bookie!
[14:41] <Wolfger> snap-l: sync?
[14:42] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yes, Chrome has sync so you can sync themes, bookmarks, and plugins
[14:42] <Wolfger> brousch: get coding on a bookie plug-in for rekonq :-D
[14:42] <snap-l> except it seems to get a little borked
[14:42] <Wolfger> snap-l: Chrome most definitely only works in Chrome, not "any browser". :-p
[14:43] <brousch> my reqonk has adblock built-in
[14:43] <brousch> or it snagged it from my chrome
[14:43] <snap-l> Wolfger: This is just with Chrome
[14:44] <brousch> dang, it doesn't have import bookmarks from chrome
[14:44] <Wolfger> snap-l: OK. I was confused. Thought you were commenting on my "google lives in any browser on any computer" comment
[14:44] <snap-l> no
[14:44] <snap-l> I'm not normally confused
[14:44] <Wolfger> <-- normally confused
[14:44] <snap-l> we know. ;)
[14:45] <Wolfger> that's why I try to stay abnormal
[14:49] <rick_h__> bookie is going to be pretty sweet soon
[14:49] <rick_h__> get on the bookie train
[14:49] <brousch> rekonq is retarded
[14:49] <brousch> it is showing me page source instead of the page
[14:50] <rick_h__> lol
[14:50] <Wolfger> for what page?
[14:51]  * Wolfger considers getting on the bookie train
[14:51] <rick_h__> man, firebug doesn't have a console in the script debugger
[14:51] <rick_h__> boooo!
[14:52] <brousch> there it goes
[14:52] <brousch> Wolfger: for gmail
[14:52] <Wolfger> Huh. Never had a problem with Gmail.
[14:53] <Blazeix> rick_h__: but i think the console tab's context is wherever you are in the debugger
[14:53] <Blazeix> at least it used to be
[14:53] <Wolfger> brousch: must be your Dell... XD
[14:53] <rick_h__> Blazeix: yea, but I have to look back/forth across the tabs in order to work with it
[14:53] <rick_h__> basically hitting the debugger in order to check current values/etc aheda of call
[14:54] <brousch> Wolfger: some cookie error came up, then i refreshed a dozen times and it started working
[14:54] <Blazeix> yeah, you can always put watches, but it isn't as nice as a console
[14:55] <rick_h__> Blazeix: yea, all good. I know part of it is what I'm used to
[14:55] <rick_h__> but I do think it's cleaner in webkit tools vs firebug
[14:57] <rick_h__> bah, and now it's hanging...damn FF
[14:58] <rick_h__> nice, now it's working yay
[14:59] <Blazeix> webkit's tools are getting there, but there are still some painful things
[14:59] <rick_h__> yea?
[14:59] <Blazeix> the context menu was useless for the longest time
[14:59] <rick_h__> which context menu?
[15:00] <Blazeix> all of them :)
[15:00] <rick_h__> lol
[15:00] <Blazeix> they used just allow you to 'inspect current element' which would bring you into the webkit debugger's internal code
[15:00] <Blazeix> in the last few months they removed that and gave decent options
[15:01] <rick_h__> you'll have to show me what you mean
[15:01] <Blazeix> but there are still areas with no options, like in the 'css' area of the Elements section
[15:01] <rick_h__> ah, ok
[15:01] <rick_h__> what does FF have there that you like?
[15:02] <Blazeix> click on the css column in the HTML tab, compared to the same area in webkitdebugger
[15:02] <Blazeix> FF has options, webkit doesn't
[15:02] <rick_h__> ah, ok
[15:02] <Blazeix> in order to work in webkit you have to use these tiny little glyph icons
[15:03] <rick_h__> heh, I don't even use that
[15:03] <rick_h__> double click to edit/add new and there's the checkbox to disable
[15:03] <Blazeix> yeah, for existing style rules that's fine
[15:03] <rick_h__> cool though, yea I should go back and compare more I've been so chrome only for so long
[15:04] <snap-l> I've been using Firefox over here, and I'm finding it still pretty slow
[15:04] <Blazeix> i'm also a fan of the DOM tab in firebug
[15:04] <rick_h__> ugh, I hate even looking at the dom stuff. So much crap to parse through.
[15:04] <Blazeix> though webkitdebugger's console has some things that compare to it, now
[15:04] <snap-l> but I think that's because it wants to render the whole page, whereas Chrome renders it as it goes
[15:05] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, but that's up to the web page
[15:06] <snap-l> eh?
[15:06] <rick_h__> I got to have a big discussion on that since the rework we've done on launchpad dens't always save a ton of load time on the page (total time until load event is fired)
[15:06] <rick_h__> but it moved the domready event up over a second
[15:06] <rick_h__> domready == you see stuff on the page
[15:06] <rick_h__> so both firefox and chrome have rules for that stuff (blocking js, css parsing, etc)
[15:06] <snap-l> hm, wonder if there's something in tracks
[15:06] <snap-l> since that's where I notice it most.
[15:07] <rick_h__> so if chrome feels faster it's not necessarily that one browser starts showing things sooner vs the other, but that it's done the work faster. So might be differences in caching, etc
[15:07] <rick_h__> run the net panel on both chrome and FF
[15:07] <rick_h__> they both drop markers down the view for the domready and load events
[15:07] <rick_h__> so you can compare the ms it takes to get to each marker in each browser to get a feel for it
[15:08] <Blazeix> oh, actually, firebug does have a console on the script tab for me.
[15:08] <Blazeix> just a simple REPL
[15:08] <rick_h__> yea?
[15:08] <Blazeix> yeah, at the very bottom there are three blue '>', I didn't see them at first
[15:08] <rick_h__> Blazeix: on 1.9?
[15:09] <Blazeix> ah, click the icon on the top bar that looks like the 'justify text' icon
[15:09] <Blazeix> speaking of unclear glyphs
[15:09] <rick_h__> ah, sweet
[15:09] <rick_h__> Blazeix gets the gold star for today! :)
[15:10] <rick_h__> I also like the chrome way of the console moving down thepage vs docked at the bottom
[15:10] <rick_h__> but good stuff, this will help
[15:13] <rick_h__> jcastro_ smoser thinking of doing a charm school thing at the long CHC end of the month. smoser interested in helping out? jcastro_ is there material for this stuff I can bootstrap with?
[15:15] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yes, please.
[15:16] <snap-l> rick_h__: I want to be a master of Cloud City like Jorge Calrissian: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/jorge_calrissian.jpg
[15:17] <rick_h__> hah
[15:18] <Wolfger> charm school?
[15:19] <rick_h__> https://juju.ubuntu.com/CharmSchool
[15:25] <Wolfger> I'm still feeling lost... Hoping I didn't miss something obvious on that page, but: Charm School is about juju and writing charms? WTF is juju or charms, and why should I be interested in them?
[15:26] <brousch> Wolfger++
[15:26] <rick_h__> ever look at puppet or chef?
[15:26] <rick_h__> it's the ubuntu way of deploying/managing servers/services in the cloud
[15:26] <rick_h__> so the idea would be I could build charms that enable you to deploy an instance of bookie to ec2 as easy as apt-get install bookie
[15:27] <brousch> nice
[15:27] <rick_h__> but I need to figure out how to write charms/do allthis
[15:27] <rick_h__> and figured if I need to learn, might as well sucker smoser into helping and make it a more class-like thing
[15:28] <Wolfger> OK, getting clearer. Heard of puppet, but not chef. Didn't really get what puppet was about, either. Maybe I should show up and learn something :-p
[15:28] <Wolfger> +1 on suckering smoser
[15:28] <brousch> it's the cloud!
[15:28] <rick_h__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdgsrBCWFis
[15:29] <rick_h__> haven't seen that yet, but bet it's useful to some extent
[15:29] <Wolfger> Will watch later. Video sites are blocked by our wretched firewall.
[15:29] <brousch> reqonk is not fit for use
[15:30] <rick_h__> lol
[15:30] <brousch> randomly gives me page source instead of the page, offers to dowload the page for me instead of rendering it
[15:32] <Wolfger> Huh. I have not seen that issue.
[15:32] <Wolfger> Kind of bizarre.
[15:33] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot12.png
[15:35] <brousch> i have to close the tab then reopen the page to fix it
[15:38] <brousch> the bookie bookmarklet works in reqonk
[15:38] <rick_h__> brousch: awesome!
[15:44] <brousch> why i love ubuntu: sudo apt-get install python2.5 python2.6 python2.7 python3.1 python3.2 python-distribute-deadsnakes python2.5-dev python2.6-dev python2.7-dev python3.1-dev python3.2-dev
[15:44] <brousch> that would take a day to do in windows
[15:48] <Wolfger> :-)
[17:01] <tjagoda> Thats a lot of compatibility testing?
[17:11] <brousch> well different places i deploy have different python versions, so i need most of them
[17:11] <brousch> dreamhost: py2.5, google app engine: py2.7, work servers: py2.7 and py3.2
[17:12] <snap-l> brousch: Is this all internal?
[17:12] <snap-l> ye gads
[17:13] <brousch> generally i only need one version for each project, so it's not a big deal
[17:13] <brousch> not like i have to ensure the same project runs all those versions
[17:19] <Wolfger> SFBC keeps sending me "come back" e-mails. I think I will write them a polite letter informing them that I'm a Kindle owner now and will never again have the desire to collect more dead trees than I already own, so please stop e-mailing me until they are at least current with technology (should anything Sci-Fi related be on the cutting edge?)
[17:19] <Wolfger> s/should/shouldn't/
[17:22]  * Wolfger considers pinging rick_h__ to see if he's sticking to his pledge to stay away from the computer all afternoon... :-)
[17:22] <rick_h__> lol, I just sat down to share pics, sec
[17:22] <rick_h__> greg-g: https://plus.google.com/116120911388966791792/posts/abf8ydEiYiK
[17:23] <rick_h__> now I need some shoes!
[17:27] <tjagoda> Rick_H has an MLK day vacation?
[17:27] <tjagoda> This guy works bankers hours!
[17:31] <snap-l> rick_h__: Awesome. :)
[17:33] <Wolfger> My MLK day is an unpaid holiday, so I elected to come in and work.  I don't even run gvim or any other front end for vim
[19:24] <brousch> ok
[19:25] <snap-l> brousch: I'd ask why you're having trouble running just gvim
[19:26] <brousch> trying to avoid gtk
[19:26] <Wolfger> snap-l: death to gtk
[19:26] <snap-l> Good luck with that
[19:26] <brousch> i'll just run pydev as usual
[19:27] <brousch> it's about as light as gvim
[19:27] <snap-l> You'll come to a point when you'll have to run gtk+
[19:27] <Wolfger> brousch: I actually like to use the yakuake terminal, keep vim or whatever I'm doing in the console open there.
[19:27] <snap-l> Much like any audio editing tool I run requires either WX or QT
[19:27] <brousch> i'm sorry. i don't use programs whose name i cannot pronounce
[19:28] <Wolfger> you can't pronounce "yah-quake"?
[19:28] <snap-l> Not without thinking NC-17 thoughts
[19:28] <brousch> choqok is right out
[19:29] <Wolfger> yakuake is "yet another quake terminal", spelling quake with a K, of course...
[19:29] <snap-l> KDE: the "hope you have Safe Search Enabled" Operating Environment
[19:29] <Wolfger> because a KDE app that doesn't begin with K is blasphemy to some people :-p :-P :-p
[19:30] <snap-l> Wolfger: Have fun with kut and paste
[19:30] <brousch> watching jjesse try to pronounce choqok was the highlight of WMLUG in 2009
[19:30] <Wolfger> choke-ok
[19:30] <jjesse> it was epic wasn't it :)
[19:50] <snap-l> cho-kok
[19:51] <brousch> don't make me get the soap
[20:39] <brousch> Wolfger: for me reqonk was running about 200-400MB lighter than Chrome, but i had to kill it because it locked up. i think it was flash that was the lockup problem
[20:53] <snap-l> I swear, KDE doesn't sound like a desktop environment, as much as the cast of extras to Fraggle Rock or some other kids program.
[20:53] <snap-l> Or Pokemon
[20:53] <snap-l> I unleash my choqok to battle your reqonk
[20:53] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: well, Gnome sounds like those things sitting in my garden.
[20:53] <devinheitmueller> (or also on a kids program)
[20:54] <snap-l> empathy and telepathy are hardly chokok
[20:54] <snap-l> or gwibber
[20:54] <devinheitmueller> fair enough.
[20:55] <snap-l> gwibber sounds like what an elder-one in HP Lovecraft stories might make people do when they see it
[20:56] <snap-l> choqok sounds like what someone might do to tentacle-porn
[20:57] <snap-l> It was bad enough with konqueror, but rekonq is just out in left-field
[21:05] <brousch> oh come on. we were just talking about juju and charms and boobyooooohs
[21:13] <snap-l> Maybe you were talking about boobyooooohs... ;)
[21:14] <brousch> speaking boobyooooooohs
[21:14] <brousch> nixternal: we are all converting to kubuntu
[21:19] <nixternal> brousch: why would you do such a thing?
[21:19] <brousch> because it is the most awesome
[21:20] <nixternal> once toned down with some stuff disabled, it isn't to bad
[21:21] <brousch> i think all i disabled was strigi and desktop effects
[21:23] <nixternal> nepomuk is another good one to disable if you don't use all that search crap
[21:23] <nixternal> i use the cli for pretty much everything, so i don't need to use a gui app like dolphin to tag and star crap
[21:23] <brousch> dolphin is nice
[21:24] <fifo> err
[21:43] <krondor> nixternal:  you can use strigi from cli with strigicmd though :) plus I love krunner so its hard to think of disabling that :)
[21:46] <nixternal> i use krunner when i use kde/kubuntu but i only use it to launch an app
[21:46] <nixternal> seems the only apps i launch though are eclipse, kmahjongg, and chrome
[22:01] <snap-l> kmahjongg? :)


[02:56] <maxped> does anyone use lynx browser? do you know what the blue bar near the bottom of the page is called?
[02:57] <billy_ran_away> I'm trying to setup a replacement for Gmail since they're no longer doing the whole Exchange ActiveSync thing, can anyone recommend anything?
[02:57] <billy_ran_away> I was thinking dovecot and z-push, anyone use those?
[02:57] <holstein> maxped: did you try http://linux.die.net/man/1/lynx to see if hwat you are looking at is mentioned?
[02:58] <ScottK> dovecot works well.  I didn't try it with z-push.
[02:59] <billy_ran_away> ScottK: You able to push to iOS?
[03:00] <maxped> holstein: i sure did. i know what is displayed in the bar can be changed via keyboard shortcut, but i cant find it anywhere. thought maybe if i knew exactly what lynx called that bar/area i could google a bit better
[03:05] <ScottK> billy_ran_away: No.  No need to for me.
[03:06] <billy_ran_away> ScottK: : )
[08:04] <zvm-vlam> \Can anyone help with getting a instance running on kvm ontop of Ubuntu to be able to see my tape drives (instance is a Linux Net Backup server)
[08:17] <zvm-vlam> Is there anyone alive in here or are you all sleeping??
[08:19] <histo> zzzZZZzzz
[08:20] <histo> zvm-vlam: Haven't played with kvm too much so sorry i'm of no help.
[08:27] <zvm-vlam> k
[08:31] <YamakasY2> morning
[08:32] <histo> *yawn*
[08:32] <YamakasY2> guys I'm figuring out how I shall partition my VM's for servers. Normally I had /boot / /usr/var /tmp and /home seperated but I wonder why I should do this when my Vm already is 30GB in this case without any storage in it
[08:33] <histo> YamakasY2: How is the VM 30GB with no storage?  The Virtual disks are just all stored in one big file on the host
[08:34] <zvm-vlam> how can I assign tape drives to a VM
[08:36] <YamakasY2> histo: no just make sure I can't have a lockup
[08:36] <YamakasY2> histo: my usr and var are mostly 10GB
[08:36] <YamakasY2> I'm figuring out if I shall make them 5 GB
[08:37] <histo> YamakasY2: It's your system do what ever you want.
[08:37] <histo> zvm-vlam: I'd assume it would be the same way as sharing any other devices liek cdrom etc... Tape should be no different
[08:37] <YamakasY2> histo: that is kinda simple to say... is that the ubuntu way these days ?
[08:39] <YamakasY2> histo: the question is if it's wise
[08:40] <histo> !best | YamakasY2
[08:41] <histo> YamakasY2: I told you my opinion already which you obviously didn't want to hear. So i'm not sure why you are asking.
[08:41] <YamakasY2> histo: I'm not sure why you answering ?
[08:41] <YamakasY2> *are
[08:41] <histo> You're worried about non existent lockups
[08:41] <histo> Don't run a VM then.
[08:42] <histo> Run bare metal with backup or load balancing
[08:42] <YamakasY2> histo: huh ? it doesn't have anything todo with a VM... but you want to keep Vm's as small as possible
[08:46] <histo> YamakasY2: What lockup are you worried about? I asked why you are creating all these separate partitions and you said you are worried about lockups.
[09:05] <YamakasY2> histo: filling up log, some application that decided to store in /usr, etc
[09:07] <histo> YamakasY2: So how is putting it on a separate partition going to help solve that issue?
[09:15] <YamakasY2> histo: it will not lock up the rest
[09:15] <histo> That application will crash correct?
[09:15] <YamakasY2> histo: you never had a failing mailserver because /var/log was full and your queue was not able to spool ?
[09:15] <histo> Yes but I wouldn't use a 5GB partition for spool
[09:16] <histo> You are the one doing that.
[09:16] <histo> You're creating your own problems. IMO
[09:17] <YamakasY2> histo: no I'm thinking about what happens when you do or don't
[09:22] <histo> So what happens when your 5GB spool partition fills?
[09:22] <histo> Same result
[09:23] <histo> Use quota and other means to fix the issue. Don't put a hardware limitation on the problem. You are putting a bandaid on open heart surgery.
[09:28] <YamakasY2> histo: yeah agree, but what would you do for server partition ?
[09:31] <YamakasY2> I wonder, one / partition, a /tmp /boot and swap only ?
[09:46] <jamespage> yolanda, I saw the ceilometer failure as well; fixed up the backports in the lab so is OK now
[09:46] <yolanda> ok
[09:47] <jamespage> yolanda, I also updated pecan on raring as the package we had fails to install
[09:47] <jamespage> bug in the source code
[09:47] <yolanda> you are always faster than me :)
[09:47] <jamespage> yolanda, I updated the list to include what I did so we can cover it all for the CA
[09:47] <yolanda> was it giving a bug? i was normally using that pecan package to install it manually
[09:49] <ruben231> hi i have folder ruben23 @ /home and ruben23 also @ /var/www, now the folder on /var/www have new chnages and files added taht needs to be retain, how do i merge this folder into one that the new files added will not be lost any of this server, all will be retained and the same exsiting also
[09:49] <ruben231> any idea guys..?
[09:50] <ruben231> merging that intelligently will not omit the new files added and also retain teh duplicate
[11:39] <jotterbot1234> Hello guys, has anyone had any experience troubleshooting an AWStats installation?
[12:24] <jamespage> rbasak, hows mongodb looking?
[12:24] <rbasak> jamespage: I had an idea, but it took hours to build and then it didn't work :-/
[12:24] <rbasak> What kind of timescale are you hoping to get this fixed in? I would like to keep digging but I don't have an ETA now.
[12:25] <jamespage> rbasak, please keep digging; raring would be nice :-)
[12:25] <rbasak> It seems to me that the compiler should dtrt if it can be told that this particular operation could need manual alignment
[12:26] <rbasak> And it also looks like it is already being told how to do this. It was in a way that I thought wasn't technically correct ("packed" isn't exactly the same thing as "aligned"), but telling it "aligned(1)" didn't seem to help
[12:26] <rbasak> I want to reduce this to a test case and then experiment with options and look at the assembly generated
[12:26] <jamespage> rbasak, sounds like a good approach
[12:26] <jamespage> working with mongodb on arm is slow...
[12:26] <rbasak> Indeed!
[12:27] <rbasak> Also "nocheck parallel=4" didn't' work. I've patched debian/rules and submitted a bug
[12:27] <rbasak> (to Debian)
[12:35] <jamespage> yolanda, hmm - the mongodb sync in the ceilometer packages is not working well for me in the charms
[12:37] <jamespage> yolanda, its a packaging issue rather than a charm issue; ceilometer-common does the db sync
[12:37] <jamespage> but does not have a depends on MongoDB
[12:37] <jamespage> maybe we need to re-think that a bit
[12:37] <jamespage> I also think that MongoDB should be a suggests
[12:38] <jamespage> so that I can deploy mongodb elsewhere
[12:38] <jamespage> just like we do with nova
[12:38] <yolanda> but then, we cannot do the sync in the package?
[12:39] <jamespage> yolanda, hmm
[12:42] <jamespage> yolanda, OK - so I think we have to take the sync out of the packaging - not ideal
[12:42] <jamespage> yolanda, also the way the configuration file is being manipulated in the postinst script is not aligned to policy
[12:43] <jamespage> as it does not take into account fully whether the ceilometer configuration file has actually been changed
[12:43] <lifeless> doesn't ceilometer have the ability to run on postgresql too ?
[12:43]  * jamespage looks
[12:44] <lifeless> http://doughellmann.com/2012/10/grizzly-sessions-on-metering-openstack-with-ceilomter.html
[12:44] <jamespage> lifeless, indeed it does - and mysql as well
[12:44] <yolanda> and sqlite
[12:44] <jamespage> yolanda, in which case the MongoDB stuff has to come out
[12:45] <jamespage> its completely not safe
[12:45] <yolanda> they have support for several databases
[12:45] <yolanda> so i remove the mongo recommends, and the db sync?
[12:45] <yolanda> user should have to do it manually?=
[12:45] <jamespage> yolanda, all of the other openstack packages default to using sqlite
[12:46] <yolanda> yes, but due to the nature of data it's better to have mongo
[12:46] <jamespage> yolanda, yes - but that is a charm thing, not a packaging thing
[12:46] <jamespage> yolanda, sqlite is a 'install and it works option', not a 'install and get huge scale' option
[12:47] <jamespage> yolanda, sqlite is not the 'best' option for any of the openstack packages, but its a sane default.
[12:47] <yolanda> so we have to depend on sqlite and do the sync using sqlite?
[12:48] <jamespage> yolanda, broadley yes
[12:48] <jamespage> yolanda, the sync should not happen in ceilometer-common  either
[12:49] <yolanda> no? where should it be?
[12:49] <jamespage> yolanda, it should happen in the agent package that writes to it
[12:49] <yolanda> ok
[12:49] <yolanda> and then, in the charm, we should do the sync for mongo?
[12:49] <jamespage> yolanda, actually ignore that comment
[12:50] <yolanda> which one?
[12:50] <jamespage> the bit about not doing it in ceilometer-common
[12:50] <jamespage> yolanda, please use cinder-common.postinst as a reference
[12:51] <jamespage> yolanda, it broadley does the right things
[12:51] <yolanda> ok
[12:51] <jamespage> yolanda, the charm should reconfigure ceilometer when mongodb is related to it and then do a db-sync
[12:51] <yolanda> ok, i can work on it
[12:52] <jamespage> yolanda, great - ping me when you have a MP - I don't always notice email
[12:52] <jamespage> lifeless, thanks for expanding my knowledge of ceilometer
[12:52]  * jamespage is running to catchup
[12:55] <yolanda> i need a while to finish something with the panels
[13:13] <zetheroo> I have been spending 2 whole days now trying to get 12.04 to run on a server here ... one of three identical servers ... I performed an install on one of the three a couple weeks ago with no issues ... but now with the second one I am installing for the 5th time now
[13:15] <zetheroo> basically no matter how I partition the RAID1 device, after the Ubuntu install completes successfully, the system reboots and then leaves me at "error: no such device" and grub rescue prompt
[13:15] <zetheroo> this is a basic install that worked perfect of one server but is not happening on this one!!
[13:18] <gucki> hi there
[13:18] <Abu> hey, i have a problem with latest ubuntu server edition, if i leave it on its own the screen goes black and it stops responding
[13:18] <gucki> i have eht0 defined as dhcp and eth0:0 as static. whenever the dhcp client (isc-dhcp-client) renews its configuration it removes/ brings down eth0:0. How can I fix this?
[13:18] <gucki> Abu: energy saving enabled? :)
[13:19] <Abu> well having hard time figuring that out :D
[13:20] <Abu> on default does the ubuntu come with ready configuration?
[13:21] <gucki> Abu: sry I don't know... :(
[13:23] <Abu> its annoying problem
[13:24] <Abu> it locks up in hour or something
[13:24] <Abu> but now i have stuff on keyboard so that it presses a button all the time and it has been succesfully on for 6 hours
[13:28] <soren> smoser: What is the current best practice for building customised Ubuntu OpenStack images?
[13:30] <smoser> soren, my usual suggestion is http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com
[13:31] <smoser> ie, i wouldn't recommend it any more than i'd recommend you build your own kernel or glibc. let your distro do it.
[13:31] <soren> smoser: I fire up a bunch of instances. Their average lifetime is 8 minutes.
[13:31] <soren> smoser: 5 of those are spent on installing the exact same stuff. Every time.
[13:31] <soren> smoser: I'm pretty tired of that extra wait.
[13:32] <smoser> well, one thing i've recently been doing which makes that particular pain less painful.
[13:33] <smoser> is 'fast_apt' at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5607702/
[13:33] <soren> smoser: Hm.
[13:34] <smoser> but that wont help your network pipe
[13:34] <soren> smoser: Yeah, I guess that might have an impact.
[13:34] <soren> smoser: I don't actually think I'm spending that much time on actual downloads.
[13:35] <soren> It's quite possible that eatmydata would make a difference.
[13:35] <smoser> its a huge impact.
[13:35] <soren> This is a recent addition to cloud-init, yeah?
[13:35] <smoser> but if you are interested in building your own images, i'd at least suggest that you start with ours.
[13:35] <soren> Right, that was certainly the intent.
[13:35] <smoser> well, thats just a bootcommand that dpkg-dirverts
[13:35] <soren> Sure.
[13:35] <smoser> so its not really cloud-init itself. i just feed that as user-ata
[13:36] <soren> Oh, I see what you're saying.
[13:37] <smoser> then, i'd recommend either mounting and chrooting (mount-callback-umount http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/backdoor-image/files makes that part easy)
[13:37] <smoser> or, since that is sometimes finicky with grub (which i'd love for you to just figure out the issue and get it fixed "right")
[13:38] <smoser> the other way to do it is just to boot a cloud image in kvm 'cloud-localds' and given user-data that preps it the way you want.
[13:38] <soren> What I wonder is what sort of cleanup I ought to do after doing that?
[13:39] <smoser> well, you can do 'rm -Rf /var/lib/cloud /var/log/cloud-init*'
[13:39] <soren> I could probably work it out, but if you have a list already, I'd love to have it.
[13:39] <smoser> and 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/zero.img ; rm -f /tmp/zero.img'
[13:39] <smoser> but realistically, cloud-init *should* re-run everything that is needed "per-instance"
[13:40] <smoser> and when you boot it for real, it will have a new instance-id.
[13:40] <soren> I'll try the eatmydata thing first. That's a great suggestion.
[13:40] <smoser> i think you will be very surprised with how much time storing data takes.
[13:43] <smoser> soren, if you have a better suggestion for the zero image thing, i'd love to know.  i know that there should be more high-tech route for that.
[13:44] <soren> smoser: There is one for ext2 images.
[13:45] <soren> smoser: I'm trying to recall its name.
[13:45] <smoser> yeah. i think that actually with ext4 and kvm it should be able to poke the 'trim' requests down through virtio into the qcow image
[13:45] <smoser> i'm not sure though.
[13:45] <smoser> but at some point.
[13:45] <smoser> i think that "should work"
[13:45] <soren> smoser: zerofree
[13:46] <soren> smoser: That's not the one I was thinking of, but it looks to be the same thing.
[13:46] <rbasak> I didn't know about zerofree. Thanks soren! I wonder if there's some kind of convergence with fstrim possible here?
[13:47] <smoser> http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/uml/index.html says "The utility also works on ext3 or ext4 filesystems. "
[13:48] <rbasak> (fstrim works online)
[13:49] <smoser> rbasak, but does it correctly poke through to qcow2 disk format?
[13:49] <rbasak> smoser: I doubt it. So I was thinking of some hack. But what would be really nice if it did pass through, and qemu could be configured to dtrt for thinly provisioned stuff and optionally zero out for directly mapped stuff.
[13:50] <smoser> rbasak, there has been work done in that area
[13:50] <rbasak> Though for cloud image preparation perhaps offline operation would actually be better. More consistent for delivery.
[13:50] <smoser> i know i've read of that before.
[13:51] <smoser> rbasak, http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.kvm.devel/66551
[13:51] <smoser> at least a reference.
[13:53] <smoser> http://www.outflux.net/blog/archives/2012/02/15/discard-hole-punching-and-trim/
[13:55] <rbasak> As an aside, while we're talking about this, there's an argument here that says that cronned fstrim is preferable over a discard mount option for SSDs: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:SSD_discard_%28trim%29_support
[13:57] <zetheroo> I finally got Ubuntu Server 12.04 booting up on a server here ... but now when I reboot the server it just hangs with a black screen ... I have to power it off with the power button and start it up again ...
[13:57] <zetheroo> how do I troubleshoot this?
[13:58] <tedski> at what point does it hang with a black screen?
[13:58] <tedski> after grub? before post?
[13:58] <tedski> during os boot?
[13:58] <tedski> when it's hung, are you sure it's not the console screen saver?
[13:58] <zetheroo> not sure actually because I reboot it remotely ...
[13:59] <tedski> when it's hung, is it pingable?
[13:59] <zetheroo> I will reboot it directly and see where it gets to ...
[13:59] <tedski> after you reboot it, what do the logs say?
[13:59] <tedski> that's how you troubleshoot it... you identify the point of failure before you attempt to identify the causative factors
[14:00] <zetheroo> but in syslog this is the last two lines before I manually turn the server off:
[14:00] <zetheroo> Mar 12 14:51:06 saturn kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped.
[14:00] <zetheroo> Mar 12 14:51:06 saturn rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="5.8.6" x-pid="1411" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] exiting on signal 15.
[14:00] <zetheroo> which logs should I be looking at?
[14:01] <tedski> syslog to start
[14:01] <sw> hi, how can we install Sun JVM >=1.5 on a Ubuntu server running 12.10?
[14:01] <zetheroo> well this is what syslog has in it after the last powerup: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5607757/
[14:02] <tedski> zetheroo: looks fine, then
[14:02] <tedski> or was that the good boot?
[14:03] <tedski> sw: google shows tons of results for oracle java 6/7 on ubuntu 12.10
[14:05] <sw> I have no knowledge of Java, so Sun JVM 1.5 = Oracle Java 6/7?
[14:05] <tedski> java 1.5 == java 5
[14:05] <tedski> java 1.6 == java 6
[14:05] <tedski> silly, but get used to silly with java
[14:05] <tedski> so, > 1.5 is java 6 or 7
[14:06] <tedski> oracle bought sun in 2010, so oracle ~= sun
[14:06] <zetheroo> tedski: that was the output from the time that I manually powered the server on
[14:07] <tedski> zetheroo: now get it to hang and see if it's pingable while it's hung
[14:07] <tedski> zetheroo: then see if you can access any of the services that should startup (i.e. ssh)
[14:07] <zetheroo> tedski: so I did a reboot again and the last line I see on the screen is "Will now restart" ... then it goes to a black screen and hangs there ...
[14:08] <zetheroo> the system is then unresponsive to eveything
[14:08] <zetheroo> and it never resets ...
[14:09] <tedski> zetheroo: oh, then you have an acpi problem
[14:09] <zetheroo> so I have to do a hard-reset
[14:09] <zetheroo> acpi ... like in the BIOS or in Ubuntu?
[14:09] <tedski> well... that depends :)
[14:10] <tedski> is there a reboot= parameter in your grub kernel line?
[14:10] <tedski> cat /proc/cmdline if the system is up
[14:10] <zetheroo> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-23-generic root=UUID=a47c5e6b-583b-4bc3-b97e-37c8fee11df5 ro
[14:11] <tedski> what type of system is this?
[14:11] <zetheroo> just a rack server
[14:11] <zetheroo> Intel ...
[14:12] <yolanda> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/ceilometer/grizzly/+merge/152916
[14:12] <zetheroo> the brand is some SuperMicro thing ...
[14:12] <tedski> try adding reboot=a,b,c to your kernel line
[14:12] <zetheroo> how do I do that?\
[14:12] <tedski> default is reboot=kbd which means it will first try to reboot via keyboard, then bios, then acpi
[14:12] <tedski> so, a,b,c says try acpi, then bios, then cold reboot
[14:13] <tedski> zetheroo: when it's booting, interrupt the timer in the grub menu and follow the onscreen instructions for editing
[14:13] <zetheroo> ah like that .. ok will give it a shot ..
[14:13] <zetheroo> but  this is not normal no!?
[14:14] <tedski> it's normal for some systems
[14:14] <zetheroo> I mean I have never had to do this before and we have 3 of these identical systems ... and one of them I setup with Ubuntu 12.04 a few weeks ago and it had no issues
[14:14] <tedski> oh
[14:14] <tedski> well, then no
[14:14] <tedski> it's not normal
[14:15] <tedski> and something is different in the reboot method between the working and non working system
[14:15] <zetheroo> but then nothing about this particular server has been very "normal"
[14:15] <tedski> go to your known good system and make sure all acpi settings are identical to this system
[14:15] <zetheroo> trouble is that other server is busy running several production VM's :)
[14:16] <zetheroo> so I cannot stop it to check the BIOS settings
[14:16] <tedski> you can still cat /proc/cmdline
[14:16] <zetheroo> ok
[14:16] <tedski> and check sysctl
[14:16] <zetheroo> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-37-generic root=UUID=34975010-34e2-477e-8b96-fca973948c74 ro
[14:16] <zetheroo> looks the same
[14:17] <zetheroo> check: comand not found
[14:17] <tedski> heh
[14:17] <tedski> no, don't run "check sysctl" :)
[14:17] <zetheroo> oh sorry .. :P
[14:17] <tedski> sysctl can show you all of the acpi settings
[14:17] <tedski> man sysctl
[14:18] <zetheroo> I don't see how this could have anything to do with Ubuntu actually ... but rather something from the BIOS
[14:19] <tedski> sure
[14:19] <tedski> i'm not saying that it is one or the other
[14:19] <tedski> i'm telling you how to troubleshoot :)
[14:19] <tedski> that was, afterall your question
[14:19] <zetheroo> there isn't a way to get BIOS info without rebooting the server is there!?
[14:19] <zetheroo> yes thanks :D
[14:19] <zetheroo> maybe I asked the wrong question  ... LOL
[14:23] <zetheroo> ahh there is a difference in the BIOS versions of the two server!
[14:23] <jamespage> yolanda, comments in MP
[14:24] <yolanda> ok
[14:28] <yolanda> ok, got it, better to do a patch to modify the default conf
[14:38] <yolanda> jamespage, should i set synchronous mode for sqlite? or i leave that by default?
[14:52] <zetheroo> how do I change the number of seconds that grub counts down to before booting Ubuntu ?
[14:53] <jamespage> zetheroo, /etc/default/grub
[14:53] <jamespage> yolanda, leave everything else as defaults
[15:11] <Ul_> hi everybody. having problems with slow performance of kvm on ubuntu 12.10. i suspect that hardware acceleration is not working. kvm-ok says that KVM can be used. after launching the virtual machine, the log file in /var/log/libvirt/VIRTNAME.log shows LC_ALL=C PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin QEMU_AUDIO_DRV=none /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -name wheezy -S -M pc-1.2 -no-kvm -m 1024 -smp 1,s
[15:11] <zetheroo> when I do apt-get update I get this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5607963/
[15:11] <zetheroo> any idea why?
[15:12] <jpds> zetheroo: You have a DNS problem.
[15:12] <zetheroo> the machine is connected to the Internet
[15:12] <yolanda> jamespage, recheck
[15:12] <zetheroo> ic
[15:14] <zetheroo> yes, DNS was the issue - thanks jpds
[15:14] <zetheroo> I still have weird issues with rebooting ...
[15:15] <jamespage> yolanda, OK - lgtm
[15:16] <zetheroo> system now reboots and gets up to the GRUB menu ... waits 10 seconds ... and then seems like its going to boot the first entry in the menu ... screen goes black (but still on) and that's about as far as it gets
[15:16] <yolanda> great
[15:22] <sw> tedski: can you help what JDK or JRE is? in the INSTALL I'm looking at it says the requirement is JVM but I don't see this anywhere
[15:23] <tedski> sw: JDK = java development kit; JRE = java runtime environment
[15:23] <tedski> sw: if you're not going to develop java programs, then install the jre
[15:24] <tedski> the jre has the jvm plus class libraries and some other supporting stuff
[15:24] <tedski> jre is for running java programs, jdk is for developing java programs
[15:32] <sw> tedski: ah ok :-)
[15:33] <eagles0513875> hey guys is there a way i can tweak amavis a bit to provide some better memory usage?
[15:46] <patdk-wk> amavis doesn't use much memory
[15:47] <patdk-wk> something like 5-10megs
[15:48] <patdk-wk> in my case, each amavis thread is using 60megs of ram, plus 80megs shared
[15:49] <zetheroo> when creating a RAID1 setup should the swap be in the RAID or not?
[15:49] <patdk-wk> and all of that is due to spamassassin rules
[15:49] <patdk-wk> zetheroo, up to you
[15:49] <patdk-wk> if a disk dies, do you want your system to crash?
[15:49] <zetheroo> patdk-wk: could it be problematic ?
[15:49] <xnox> zetheroo: would you like your machine to keep going, or die because something was in swap and the swap disk failed?
[15:50] <billy_ran_away> Hi, I'm new to ldap and trying to setup dovecot to use ldap, this is kind of a dumb question, but I've never really read what it means to bind to an LDAP server...
[15:50] <billy_ran_away> I have some idea of what I think it means… but I don't definitively know what it means.
[15:50] <billy_ran_away> I think it means...
[15:50] <zetheroo> so having swap in the RAID is not a bad thing ...
[15:51] <xnox> zetheroo: there is no point in RAID1 at all if swap is not part of it. With RAID1 you want your machine to continue to function if half of your disks fail, hence swap must be treated same as your rootfs.
[15:51] <billy_ran_away> For an authentication process to attach itself to a specific part of the LDAP schema to be able to search from the point down...
[15:52] <lwizardl> hello
[15:53] <rbasak> xnox: true, but there is a second use case for RAID1. If you don't mind the machine failing, but do want to keep your data.
[15:53] <zetheroo> xnox: ok good point :P
[15:54] <rbasak> Though even in that cause I usually RAID1 my swap. There's no real cost to doing it.
[15:54] <rbasak> that case
[15:55] <lwizardl> so I have been fighting with a server only to find out that the isp comcast is blocking port 25. So is there a way that I can enable the server to maybe get around the block?
[15:55] <xnox> rbasak: hence I said "same as rootfs" if the rootfs is not on RAID1 (as it can be trvially rebootstrapped), and only data partitions are on RAID1, having swap on raid1 improves things but not by much ;-)
[15:55] <patdk-wk> lwizardl, upgrade to comcast business class
[15:55] <zetheroo> I have been struggling to get Ubuntu Server working correctly on a server which is using this UEFI stuff ...
[15:56] <zetheroo> should the EFI partition be in the RAID1 area or not?
[15:56] <lwizardl> patdk-lap, yeah I plan to do that but i'm trying to get the server working for now
[15:57] <patdk-wk> yes, and that is the *only* solution
[15:57] <lwizardl> crap
[15:57] <patdk-wk> unless your solutions involves not using comcast
[15:57] <patdk-wk> then you can setup a vpn from somewhere that allows port 25
[15:58] <lwizardl> I would love that option. but for my sucky town it is either comcast or AT&T uverse
[15:58] <patdk-wk> well, there is a reason why, residential, says, no servers
[15:58] <lwizardl> yeah
[16:03] <zetheroo> is there anything wrong with rebooting using init 6 ?
[16:06] <smoser> soren, did you try the eatmydata?
[16:47] <hallyn> plars: so this is perplexing.  Your i386  lxc utah run says mounted cgroups weren't found when running lxc-execute.
[16:48] <plars> hallyn: looks like the amd64 one finished too: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/raring-server-amd64-smoke-lxc/119/
[16:49] <plars> hallyn: also showing cgroups not mounted
[16:51] <hallyn> where do i see the actual test log then?
[16:52] <hallyn> anyway that might be a utah error then.  cgroup-lite is being installed, cgroups definately ought to be mounted.
[16:53] <hallyn> plars: I run locally using:
[16:53] <hallyn> sudo -u utah -i run_utah_tests.py -p lp:ubuntu-test-cases/server/preseeds/lxc.preseed -i /home/serge/raring-server-amd64.iso lp:ubuntu-test-cases/server/runlists/lxc.run
[16:53] <hallyn> is that all right?  suppose i should update my raring-server-amd64.iso...  maybe there's an error int he new one
[16:53]  * hallyn updates
[16:58] <plars> hallyn: we seem to be running run_utah_tests.py -p lp:ubuntu-test-cases/server/preseeds/lxc.preseed -i /var/cache/utah/iso/raring-server-amd64.iso lp:ubuntu-test-cases/server/runlists/lxc.run -x /etc/utah/bridged-network-vm.xml
[16:58] <plars> but I think the networking config is not necessary for you
[16:59] <hallyn> right i can't use that :)
[16:59] <hallyn> plars: almost have the new iso, i'll start a utah run and log in and see if everything's kosher
[16:59] <plars> ok
[17:20] <hallyn> plars: by gollie, thsi seems to be a cgroup-lite bug
[18:06] <lisandrop05> hello  to every one I'm installing firehol and when I execute the command "frirehol try" I get a lot of errors like this: "iptables: Memory allocation problem." I where lokking at top command while I where doing and is a lot of memory free in the system
[18:06] <lisandrop05> any ideas?
[18:07] <holstein> you excute "firehol try" i assume
[18:07] <holstein> lisandrop05: you can also pastebin you exact errors
[18:07] <RoyK> any particular reason you don't use ufw?
[18:07] <holstein> !paste
[18:11] <lisandrop05> yes holstein
[18:11] <lisandrop05> i execute "firehol try"
[18:13] <sarnold> lisandrop05: the kernel cannot allocate memory for itself in the same way that applications can allocate memory. on 32 bit systems, the kernel actually has very tight memory requirements. over the run time of a system, memory gets more and more fragmented, making it harder to allocate large blocks of kernel memory.
[18:13] <sarnold> lisandrop05: check dmesg; if you see something like "order 1 allocation failures" then your best bet is reboot.
[18:13] <hallyn> plars: and now i'm seeing it on new raring cloud instances too!
[18:13] <RoyK> lisandrop05: trying again - why don't you use ufw?
[18:14] <plars> hallyn: well at least it's reproducible now I guess :)
[18:14] <RoyK> seems firehol hasn't been much updated the last five years
[18:15] <Testtube302> Afternoon I was refered to this channel
[18:15] <lisandrop05> RoyK: what's the difference
[18:15] <RoyK> lisandrop05: dunno firehol
[18:15] <RoyK> !ufw | lisandrop05
[18:15] <Testtube302> I currently have Ubuntu 8.04LTS Server running a older kernel 2.6.24-21-server. I am trying to install the Kernel sources but it appears they have been deleted? I am getting Package linux-headers-2.6.24-21-server is not available
[18:16] <lisandrop05> okok, I'm installing ufw
[18:16] <RoyK> Testtube302: you better upgrade soon - 8.04 only have a month left of support
[18:16] <Testtube302> The only reason i need the Kernel source is because i am attempting to install a backup agent that needs the source to compile a module
[18:17] <Testtube302> It almost looks like the linux-header files for the kernel i am using has been wiped off the planet :/
[18:18] <RoyK> Testtube302: looks like you haven't updated that machine too much - the current version for 8.04 is 2.6.24-32
[18:18] <Testtube302> Royk Thats correct this machine is in production use and pretty isolated
[18:19] <RoyK> there are archives around for that sort of use, but the *supported* method is to upgrade to the last stable version
[18:19] <Testtube302> Any idea of where i can get the linux header files for my kernel
[18:19] <Testtube302> i have searched everywhere.
[18:20] <RoyK> and as mentioned, 8.04 won't be supported for much longer
[18:20] <RoyK> what sort of backup system is this?
[18:20] <Testtube302> The backup agent is r1soft
[18:20] <RoyK> also, is there a good reason for not upgrading to the latest 8.04?
[18:21] <Testtube302> RoyK as mentioned this is a production system and there is no room for downtime right now. We have some time slotted later this year to upgrade to 10.04 like the rest of our cluster
[18:21] <RoyK> ok
[18:22] <sarnold> it's already 2013, would it make more sense to upgade to 12.04 LTS instead?
[18:22] <Abu> hey now i got error message
[18:23] <Abu> mmc0 got data interrupt even though no data operation was in progress
[18:23] <RoyK> Testtube302: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/hardy-updates/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24
[18:23] <Abu> how do i fix that
[18:23] <RoyK> Testtube302: just wondering a bit why a backup agent needs access to the kernel source
[18:23] <lisandrop05> ufw only 1 minutes and I get my first error: ERROR: problem running ufw-init
[18:23] <RoyK> lisandrop05: pastebin command and output
[18:25] <lisandrop05> ERROR: Could not load logging rules
[18:25] <lisandrop05> it's short
[18:25] <lisandrop05> command is shoet too
[18:25] <RoyK> and the command was?
[18:25] <lisandrop05> short*
[18:25] <Testtube302> I dont believe that URL you provided actually has the Linux headers for my kernel
[18:25] <RoyK> are you root?
[18:25] <lisandrop05> ufw enable
[18:25] <lisandrop05> and yes I add port 22 first
[18:26] <lisandrop05> if I put it again it skip existing rule
[18:26] <RoyK> lisandrop05: please *pastebin* the whole range of commands and output. and btw, which distro version is this?
[18:27] <sarnold> RoyK: lisandrop05 is from cuba, probably the little iron curtain forbids getting to a pastebin site. I'm stunned lisandrop05 can get here...
[18:27] <RoyK> oh
[18:28] <lisandrop05> is Ubuntu precise
[18:28] <RoyK> lisandrop05: sorry if you can't get to those services. first of all, are you root? can you do "ufw add 22/tcp" without issues? if so, the "ufw enable" command should work well
[18:28] <lisandrop05> http://pastebin.com/Jtr9tm3J
[18:28] <sarnold> ha :) color me wrong :)
[18:28] <Testtube302> Royk http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-updates/linux-headers-lum-2.6.24-21-server  Says Package not available under depends
[18:28] <lisandrop05> RoyK: yes, I'm root
[18:29] <lisandrop05> I install the ufw
[18:29] <lisandrop05> in the same shell
[18:29] <RoyK> looks like there may be an issue on trying to add ipv6 rules on an ipv4-only system
[18:29] <RoyK> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=141008
[18:29] <RoyK> not sure, though
[18:30] <RoyK> lisandrop05: try setting IPV6=no in /etc/ufw/ufw.conf
[18:31] <sarnold> RoyK: hrm, I thought that one had been fixed.
[18:31]  * RoyK has no idea
[18:32] <RoyK> lisandrop05: also, if sarnold is right - it might have been fixed - have you upgraded lately?
[18:32] <lisandrop05> no I don't
[18:33] <RoyK> try to disable ipv6, then
[18:33] <Testtube302> Royk what exactly is Source Package: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24
[18:33] <RoyK> not sure
[18:33] <lisandrop05> It work ok, I add IPV6=no to ufw.conf now, new question: where can I add an IP blacklist from a file
[18:33] <Testtube302> your not sure?
[18:34] <RoyK> Testtube302: I think what you need is 'apt-get install linux-source'
[18:34] <lisandrop05> no need to update, And i check and my system is updated
[18:34] <RoyK> ok
[18:35] <RoyK> lisandrop05: I normally use 'apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade && apt-get -y autoremove' - there's usually some new packages around
[18:42] <mmcji> anyone have any experience working with Kamailio and kamailio-ims-modules?
[18:44] <glycoknob> hi, I'm using ubuntu server 12.04 for cluster computing machines (no services, just cli). Is it safe to remove dbus-daemons and all the other desktop-related stuff? especially does upstart still works fine without dbus? This appears to be the case but I'd like to get some more input before breaking things
[18:45] <RoyK> Testtube302: still curious about why a backup solution needs to make kernel drivers - could you enighten me on this?
[18:50] <Diegonat> hi guys! Ive got a problem. When I run a script with crontab does not work but when I run it, it works. Why?
[18:52] <sarnold> Diegonat: quite often that is due to directories in your PATH that are set for an interactive login but not set when executed via cron
[18:52] <Diegonat> sarnold, good shot
[18:52] <lisandrop05> RoyK: how do I allow all outgoing traffic in ufw??
[18:52] <Diegonat> basically when it fails
[18:53] <Diegonat> it when it tries to excute one python script in a for loop
[18:53] <lisandrop05> in firehol is simple: client accept any, but in ufw I don't know
[18:55] <jdstrand> lisandrop05: $ sudo ufw status verbose
[18:55] <jdstrand> Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing)
[18:55] <jdstrand> that's the default
[18:55] <RoyK> lisandrop05: it allows all outgoing
[18:55] <hallyn> plars: fix for that breakage is uploaded to raring.
[18:55] <plars> hallyn: you are awesome!
[18:55] <plars> psivaa: ^^ should be fixed on tomorrows run
[18:56] <jdstrand> lisandrop05: as for ipsets, that isn't supported in ufw yet, but it is planned
[18:59] <hallyn> plars: nm.  there's an error in how i did it.  grrr.
[19:00] <lisandrop05> RoyK: if I disable the firewall ufw all my old rules disappear?
[19:01] <hallyn> stgraber: grrr.  my fix was bad.  changing locale and then fixing it for real.  (you threw me by calling the mount 'cgroup', i need to detect that moutn differently :)
[19:01] <hallyn> biab
[19:01] <RoyK> lisandrop05: ufw replaces iptables
[19:01] <lisandrop05> I disable and enable ufw
[19:01] <RoyK> lisandrop05: you need to configure ufw to use existing rules if you want to use it
[19:01] <lisandrop05> and it block me out
[19:02] <lisandrop05> my ssh http ftp all is not working
[19:02] <stgraber> hallyn: mountpoint -q /sys/fs/cgroup?
[19:02] <RoyK> lisandrop05: disabling it should flush all iptables rules - enabling it should enable ufw rules
[19:02] <lisandrop05> I'm locked out of my server
[19:02] <lisandrop05> I'll need to call support assistence
[19:03] <lisandrop05> I'm on VPS
[19:03] <lisandrop05> and ssh is all access I have
[19:04] <jdstrand> lisandrop05: VPS sometimes don't have everything that is needed in their kernels. if ufw is not working for you, try running: sudo /usr/share/ufw/check-requirements
[19:05] <sarnold> jdstrand: that's awesome :D
[19:05] <lisandrop05> jdstrand: I can't I'm blocked out of my server
[19:06] <RoyK> lisandrop05: do you have kvm access?
[19:08] <lisandrop05> RoyK: I'm from cuba a lot of ports are blocked here
[19:08] <lisandrop05> including all cpannel ports
[19:09] <RoyK> yeah, someone told me (above) that you were from cuba
[19:10] <RoyK> lisandrop05: see pm
[19:11] <lisandrop05> what is pm?
[19:11] <hallyn> stgraber: well phooi.  never heard of that
[19:11] <RoyK> lisandrop05: private message
[19:12] <RoyK> lisandrop05: try "/msg RoyK hi"
[19:17] <soren> smoser: I fired it off, but didn't have time to stick around to see the results. I'm checking now.
[19:18] <hallyn> stgraber: but that doesn't answer my problem actually - i need to know if anything under /sys/fs/cgroup is mounted
[19:18] <soren> smoser: Well, it cut off ~75 seconds.
[19:18] <jdstrand> sarnold: heh, thanks :)
[19:18] <soren> smoser: So significant for sure, but not enough to make me not want to build custome images.
[19:18] <smoser> out of ~ 300 ?
[19:18] <soren> custome.
[19:18] <soren> custom.
[19:18] <soren> Shite.
[19:18] <smoser> right.
[19:18] <soren> Err.. Yeah, something like that.
[19:19] <hallyn> i guess just 'mount -t cgroup' actually works
[19:20] <stgraber> hallyn: ah, I'd just have changed the current for loop to do:
[19:21] <stgraber> [ ! -d /sys/fs/cgroup/$d ] && mkdir /sys/fs/cgroup/$d (or use -p)
[19:21] <stgraber> mountpoint -q /sys/fs/cgroup/$d || mount -n -t cgroup ...
[19:21] <hallyn> stgraber: no, not that bit
[19:22] <hallyn> stgraber: if any actual cgroups have already been mounted, then i dno't want to run
[19:22] <hallyn> but i'm just doing 'if [ -n "$(mount -t cgroup)" ]; then exit 1; fi"
[19:22] <stgraber> hallyn: ah, well, good luck detecting that... because logind is now mounting an empty cgroup
[19:22] <stgraber> so on systems with logind, you'll get:
[19:22] <stgraber> systemd on /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd type cgroup (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,none,name=systemd)
[19:23] <stgraber> which shouldn't prevent cgroup-lite from doing its job
[19:23] <hallyn> why not?
[19:23] <hallyn> systemd wants to do cgroups its won way...  let it
[19:23] <hallyn> /swon/own/
[19:23] <hallyn> gah
[19:23] <stgraber> no
[19:23] <stgraber> logind will ONLY mount the systemd cgroup
[19:24] <stgraber> on a system with logind, you still want cgroup-lite to mount all the others
[19:24] <hallyn> sigh
[19:24] <stgraber> (talking about logind here, not systemd. It's just a bit confusing because the logind cgroup is called 'systemd')
[19:24] <hallyn> there are people out there with funky pre-existing setups who will want cgroup-lite to not bethe one mounting cgroups
[19:25] <hallyn> i.e., they may simp0ly not want some cgroups mounted at all (for speed reasons, whatever)
[19:25] <hallyn> i suppose you can say so long as they are writing their own upstart job,
[19:25] <hallyn> they can set cgroup-lite tomanual,
[19:25] <hallyn> long as you'll back me up on that :)
[19:26] <stgraber> well, we don't hard-depend on cgroup-lite IIRC, just recommend it
[19:27] <stgraber> oh, you do Depend on it from libvirt... maybe you should change that to Recommend then?
[19:27] <stgraber> anyway, I think it's fair to say that if you install cgroup-lite (directly or indirectly), you want it to do its job. If not, then remove it or turn it off (with an upstart override file)
[19:28] <hallyn> all right i'll do it that way - the old safeguards were really for people who still had cgconfig.conf installed
[19:28] <stgraber> so I guess we want cgroup-lite to always try to mount any cgroup that's not already mounted somewhere (so on mount failure, silence the error and remove the directory)
[19:30] <hallyn> eh ?  like 'mount -t cgroup -o $d /sys/fs/cgroup/$d || { rmdir /sys/fs/cgroup/$d } ?
[19:30] <hallyn> i'm afraid that'll make local configuration errors look like package errors in lxc/libvirt...
[19:31] <hallyn> do you think it's worth it?
[19:32] <hallyn> i'd say at taht point, we're better off having cgroup-lite record that it failed,
[19:32] <hallyn> and user can figure it out frmo there
[19:34] <hallyn> let's see how this one goes
[19:44] <hallyn> stgraber: do http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608710 and http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608711 look ok?
[19:44] <hallyn> (tested ok on an instance, but that doesn't mean im' not doing something stupid)
[19:50] <hallyn> whelp, this one seems to work, will wait a few mins for a NO YOU FOOL then push
[19:51] <stgraber> hallyn: mountpoint -q /sys/fs/cgroup/$d || (mount -n -t cgroup -o $d cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/$d || rmdir /sys/fs/cgroup/$d)
[19:52] <stgraber> hallyn: so that if it's already mounted somewhere else we don't end up with an empty dir
[19:52] <stgraber> hallyn: mountpoint -q /sys/fs/cgroup/$d || (mount -n -t cgroup -o $d cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/$d || rmdir /sys/fs/cgroup/$d || true)
[19:52] <stgraber> hallyn: actually, just to be safe ;)
[19:53] <hallyn> you were supposed to say NO YOU FOOL
[19:54] <hallyn> will do, thx :)
[20:05] <hallyn> stgraber: ok so that leaves two potential issues (i.e. not sure if we care)
[20:06] <hallyn> oh, no,j ust one
[20:06] <hallyn> if someone decided to mount an empty tmpfs (for instance) under /sys/fs/cgroup/devices, cgroup-lite wont' mount it at start, but it will umjount it at stop
[20:06] <hallyn> i think that's ok...
[20:07] <stgraber> ah yeah, but someone would be pretty stupid to do that, so that's their own fault ;)
[20:08] <hallyn> all right - pushing
[21:10] <soren> smoser: I fired up a VM, logged in interactively, apt-get install'ed the relevant packages, ran "nova image-create" and am now using that snapshot. Seems to work like a charm.
[21:11] <soren> smoser: I also added your eatmydata thing to apt-get as well as added it to the sbuild inside the VM. I don't have total numbers yet, but the difference for each step looks really good. Thanks for remininding me of eatmydata.
[21:13] <digitalsanctum> hi, im attempting to vnc to 12.04.1 server from a mac and keep getting a black screen. any ideas?
[21:13] <holstein> vnc to server?
[21:13] <holstein> i would just ssh over to it
[21:14] <digitalsanctum> yes, but i have a need for vnc....long story :)
[21:45] <News2Me> I'm looking for help with Apache rewrite. System doesn't recognize .htaccess. I've read countless posts and tried all the proposed solutions. One clue is that my apache2.conf file won't accept "AllowOverride All", just errors with "AllowOverride not allowed here. Action 'configtest' failed.
[21:47] <sarnold> News2Me: that means you put the 'AllowOverride' in the wrong location in the config file
[21:48] <sarnold> News2Me: see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#allowoverride
[21:48] <News2Me> It has to be embedded in a <directory> tag?
[21:48] <sarnold> "Only available in <Directory> sections"
[21:48] <sarnold> yes
[21:48] <News2Me> So even if you don't have virutal sites... just use it witout and conditions?
[21:53] <News2Me> Looking at the page link... THANKS Sarnold!!!... been banging my head for days on this.
[21:53] <sarnold> News2Me: that sounds about right, you've got the real apache experience now :)
[22:54] <hubuntu> helllo
[22:54] <hubuntu> if I am going to have some KVM managed VMs running in my desktop, which ubuntu server version should I use?
[22:54] <hubuntu> is there a jeos or similar or shall I just use -server?
[22:55] <hubuntu> this is to test varnish and additional tools
[22:57] <RoyK> hubuntu: 12.04LTS would be a good start
[22:57] <sarnold> hubuntu: -server is probably fine, but do note: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[22:57] <holstein> !minimal
[22:58] <hubuntu> there we go, minimal 12.04 is certainly what I was looking for :)
[22:58] <sarnold> oh good :) three different answers :) haha
[22:58] <hubuntu> thanks holstein
[22:58] <hubuntu> RoyK and sarnold
[22:58] <hubuntu> :)
[22:58] <sarnold> :)
[23:02] <RoyK> :)
[23:05] <News2Me> Sarnold: IT WORKS! ok, so there's a file for virtual servers that lives at: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default. and that one was set to AllowOverride None. It's hard to follow different flavors of Linux.. but thanks Sarnold!
[23:06] <sarnold> News2Me: ah, yes, I know what you mean. :)


[00:51] <jrwren> oh yeah, new lv just for lxc with an lvcache pool.
[00:51] <jrwren> went from 33s for lxc-create to 8.5s
[10:44] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:31] <_stink_> yo
[13:24] <cmaloney> Are we having fun yet?
[13:35] <brousch> Of course. It's Windows 10 day!
[13:36] <jrwren> ugh.
[13:36] <jrwren> i'm so sick of hearing about windows 10.
[13:37] <jrwren> i actually dread when win7 goes out of support, becuase soon after my wife will start asking for support.
[13:37] <brousch> It's the newest Windows!
[13:37] <jrwren> so was windows me, at one point.
[13:37] <cmaloney> Hey, they fixed the start menu
[13:37] <jrwren> kinda.
[13:38] <cmaloney> so now if you have more than 500 entries it'll just silently truncate them
[13:38] <jrwren> is there a way to make windows 10 look and act just like windows 7? no? then I'm not interested :)
[13:38] <brousch> It has less monkey sweat than previous Windows!
[13:38] <cmaloney> because Microsoft likes hard limits
[13:38] <jrwren> 500?!?! yow
[13:38] <cmaloney> jrwren: Windows 7 is Windows Xp all over again
[13:38] <brousch> It's similar to win7
[13:38] <brousch> Really it's not bad
[13:38] <cmaloney> jrwren: Ars did a great write-up on Windows 10
[13:38] <cmaloney> as is their wont
[13:39] <jrwren> brousch: you once learned to use win8 or win81?  I can't figure those out, so I do not want to waste time figuring out win10 when win7 works fine for all my use cases.
[13:40] <jrwren> All my use cases being Starcraft2 and EAC :)
[13:40] <brousch> I've spent probably 100 hours using win8, and hated it
[13:40] <brousch> They hid most of the win8 annoyances in "tablet mode", which you can toggle easily
[13:40] <jrwren> oh, so you really can use it like win7?
[13:41] <brousch> PRetty much
[13:41] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/
[13:41] <brousch> Have to search for everything, like settings, since they moved them around
[13:42] <jrwren> did Peter write that?
[13:43] <jrwren> yeah, I only trust Peter so far, he is deep in it coming from a VERY different POV than me.
[13:44] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's Peter Bright
[13:45] <cmaloney> Almost like my trust of Paul Thurrot to talk about things related to MS that I couldn't care less about
[13:45] <cmaloney> but at least do some research
[13:45] <cmaloney> Unlike that tool that they got on Cranky Geeks (Enderle, iirc)
[13:46] <cmaloney> I swear Rob Enderle is like a stopped clock: only right twice a day and only for one second before he gets it completely wrong again.
[13:47] <brousch> I still prefer KDE
[13:51] <jrwren> I chatted with Peter 10+yrs ago in #linux on ars irc. So maybe I know him a tiny bit better than some? But ALWAYS consider the source :)
[13:51] <cmaloney> yeah, no kidding
[13:51] <jrwren> Thurrot, same thing. doesn't understand or use tech the same way I do, and definitely is pro-ms in everything.
[13:51] <cmaloney> jrwren: you were my go-to person for non-bullshit Windows info
[13:51] <jrwren> I mean, the guy talks about windows phone like its a real thing. What is it? 1% of the market?
[13:52] <jrwren> cmaloney: sorry, I left that world :)
[13:52] <cmaloney> I'm not sorry in the slightest
[13:52] <cmaloney> Well, Thurrot definitely has his head in the punchbowl looking to get the purest mixture.
[13:53] <cmaloney> And I'm sure Windows Phone is what the Windows-faithful want
[13:53] <cmaloney> Much like somoene telling me they still take Blackberry seriously.
[13:54] <cmaloney> They tend to have a junk-drawer-full of the previous generations of faith.
[13:54] <cmaloney> Same can be said about any OS, really.
[14:01] <jrwren> cmaloney: its true. I feel like when you start talking about things with 1% market share and less, they kind of all get the same treatment. Windows Phone, Ubuntu Phone, Amiga and BeOS diehards, OS2 users, freebsd users, any bsd users.
[14:01] <jrwren> its like, yes, your stuff works, unfortunately its also entirely irrelevant
[14:03] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, it's kind of cool to see people still rocking the Amiga / BeOS
[14:03] <cmaloney> and kind of sad in a way.
[14:03] <cmaloney> I'm sure someone out there is excited about Amiga OS 4.1
[14:15] <brousch> Linux desktop ...
[14:22] <jrwren> brousch: its true!
[14:57] <jcastro> I've had a few win10 boxes for a while if anyone has questions
[14:57] <jrwren> jcastro: how bad does it suck?
[14:57] <jrwren> jcastro: :)
[14:57] <jrwren> i'm j/k.
[14:58] <jrwren> I know that any dislike I have is really a matter of taste and old kurmudgeonness
[14:58] <jcastro> shrug, it's pretty good
[14:58] <jcastro> boot time is nice
[14:59] <jrwren> i'm afraid htat if i upgrade, someone will have moved my cheese and it will piss me off lots.
[14:59] <jcastro> they finally have virtual desktop
[15:00] <jrwren> oh that is right! maybe I'll love it!
[15:08] <cmaloney> Yay Virtual Desktop
[15:13] <cscheib> jrwren: that's a big step in life, admitting you've talked to Peter
[15:14] <cscheib> the road to recovery begins with acknowledgement
[15:17] <jrwren> cscheib: hahahah
[16:07] <cscheib> he is a vile human being
[16:11] <greg-g> jrwren is vile? man, don't say that in front of him
[16:28] <jrwren> i knew what cscheib meant.
[16:30] <greg-g> :P
[16:34] <cscheib> heh
[16:44] <cscheib> jrwren: I should probably be in A2 tomorrow, if you wanna grab lunch.  hopefully I wake up early enough to go ou there
[16:48] <jrwren> cscheib: cool, sounds good.
[16:48] <jrwren> cscheib: should we see if jcastro is around?
[16:49] <cscheib> sure
[17:12] <jcastro> marco is here
[17:12] <jcastro> so yes, count us in
[17:12] <jcastro> we have a charm school @ 4pm though, so any time before then would be ideal
[17:15] <cmaloney> Marco Armet?
[17:20] <cscheib> don't believe I know Marco
[17:21] <jcastro> you don't, but I was just saying I am hosting a guest
[17:21] <jcastro> which means I also have transportation!
[17:21] <cmaloney> woo woo!
[17:22] <cscheib> aha
[17:22] <cscheib> where shall we eat?  somewhere not too crazy far from State/Eisenhower
[17:23] <cscheib> within 5-10 min drive of there
[17:23] <cscheib> (including parking)
[17:31] <jrwren> if it is downtown, I can ride my bike :)
[17:31] <jrwren> i guess I can ride my bike to state/eisenhower too
[17:31] <jcastro> Los Amigos is good
[17:31] <jcastro> also bee dubs
[17:32] <jrwren> jcastro: Ceppi ?
[17:32] <jcastro> jrwren: yeah, two person sprint heh
[17:32] <jrwren> jcastro: cool!
[17:34] <jrwren> Los Amigos sounds really good to me.
[17:34] <cscheib> yea, no bdubs. there's enough salt in their food to season a week's worth of meals
[17:35] <jrwren> not to mention the clorine washed tyson chicken? :)
[17:41] <cscheib> that too
[17:41] <cscheib> I can do los amigos
[17:41] <cscheib> is that the place we went last timte?
[17:41] <cscheib> *time
[17:42] <jcastro> no
[17:42] <jcastro> this is a sitdown mexican place across from the mall
[17:48] <jrwren> cscheib: did I never take you there? they have great lunch specials and very reasonable prices.
[17:49] <jrwren> cscheib: its just before the i94 entrance when you are going south on state, on the right, behind a BP gas station
[17:56] <cscheib> very bodega-y?
[18:03] <jrwren> I am unsure.
[18:13] <cscheib> we went to some mexican place once, when jorge wouldn't leave the house
[18:13] <jrwren> lol, that was probably it.
[18:14] <jrwren> i can't remember where we went and didn't. I know we got Chipotle and I know we went to Madras Masala a couple ties.
[18:14] <jrwren> *times.
[18:14] <jrwren> I'd love to get back there sometimes.
[18:14] <jrwren> omg, cannot type. I quit. :)
[18:15] <cscheib> I don't recall ever going to Chipotle... we went to Frita Batido and that pizza place
[18:15] <cscheib> I can barely type either... I got a clicky keyboard, and it's taking some getting used to
[18:15] <cscheib> too used to the macbook chiclets now
[18:16] <jrwren> mmm... Frita
[18:16] <jrwren> Neopapolis, they are good too.
[18:16] <jrwren> we have good taste :)
[18:22] <cmaloney> (Chipotle is awesome)
[18:23] <greg-g> I dislike cilantro rice
[18:24] <jrwren> greg-g: WHAT?!?!
[18:24] <greg-g> I'm one of those who thinks cilantro tastes like soap
[18:25] <jrwren> greg-g: you poor poor sad man.
[18:25] <cmaloney> greg-g: I feel sorry for your tastebuds
[18:25] <jrwren> greg-g: at least you don't have it for hops.
[18:26] <jrwren> GENE THEARAPY!!!
[18:26] <greg-g> no, I just now get migraines from too many hops :/
[18:26] <jrwren> lol, is it really the hops?
[18:26] <cmaloney> greg-g: I think you need to look into transhumanisnm
[18:26] <greg-g> yeah
[18:26] <greg-g> jrwren: wheat beers like blue moon don't affect me
[18:26] <cmaloney> because your body is obviously defective
[18:26] <greg-g> I did extensive testing, believe me :)
[18:27] <cmaloney> What about stouts and porters or are those right out?
[18:28] <cmaloney> https://www.humblebundle.com/books?music_bookbundle
[18:28] <cmaloney> God dammit
[18:28] <greg-g> I haven't drank many of those mostly due to weather out here :)
[18:29] <cscheib> it does taste like soap
[18:30] <jrwren> OR6A2 gene therapy
[18:41] <cscheib> ugh, I need to focus on learning a language and sticking with it one of these days
[18:42] <jrwren> cscheib: python is the best.
[18:42] <cscheib> whyfor
[18:42] <jrwren> cuz I R developer with Opinions and no brains
[18:43] <cscheib> well, I knew that
[18:44] <cscheib> I've messed with Ruby a bit, but not done anything serious with it
[18:44] <cscheib> and I haven't used perl in ages, so using it again woudl pretty much be akin to relearning it
[18:44] <cscheib> I try not to do anything of significant complexity in bash.
[18:45] <jrwren> bash4 is awesome. finally, hashes in the shell. no use for perl no more :p
[18:45] <jrwren> and debian finally got their head out their ass and enabled /dev/tcp in bash.
[18:45] <cscheib> WAT https://imessageforwindows.org/
[18:45] <cmaloney> I'm really liking Python
[18:46] <cscheib> not sure if I should install that app, but imessage on windows would be fantastic.
[18:46] <brousch> jrwren: You are recommending Python over C# now?
[18:46] <cscheib> he probably knows there's no way I'd go for C#
[18:46] <jrwren> brousch: hrm... really tough call.
[18:46] <jrwren> brousch: it depends on the use case. C# on windows, python everywhere else.
[18:47] <cscheib> C# and not PS?
[18:47] <jrwren> yes.
[18:47] <jrwren> PS is an abomination
[18:47] <jrwren> PS never should have existed.  They still think the JVM is faster than .NET. They still think the JVM is fast period.  I fear all will break. And I'm happy with win7, so no upgrade for me.
[18:57] <brousch> what happened to you?
[19:00] <jrwren> brousch: starcraft2. I can't be fixing a broken windows computer instead of playing sc2
[19:01] <jrwren> seriously, I think I really got sick of fixing broken OS. I'd rather fix broken apps, or create new apps.
[19:02] <jrwren> I think win11 will be what I really like. openssh, maybe posix apis(fingers crossed).
[19:03] <cscheib> actually, from what I've heard, the JVM is actually pretty fast... just not interpreting Java
[19:03] <cscheib> jruby, clojure, etc... are fast allegedly
[19:04] <jrwren> cscheib: lol. fast compared to what.
[19:04] <jrwren> cscheib: java is faster than any of those language on JVM.
[19:04] <jrwren> that is hte funny part. fast is relative. faster than what? yeah, jruby is fast, because ruby is so damn slow.
[19:05] <cscheib> there was some discussion regarding it somewhere wrt puppet
[19:06] <cscheib> they chose clojure on JVM
[19:06] <cscheib> for performance
[19:06] <cscheib> for both puppetdb and puppetserver
[19:06] <cscheib> seems to be a popular go-to in some circles, now
[19:07] <jrwren> definitely. I know some folks who love it, and when you are used to Ruby, its fast.
[19:07] <jrwren> When you are used to C, or go, its hilarious by comparison.
[19:09] <cscheib> brousch: my Win10 upgrade went decently
[19:10] <cscheib> the only thing I really had issues with was the GeForce driver/GeForce Experience app
[19:10] <cscheib> the GeForce app wouldn't upgrade the drivers for me... it failed on deleting/upgrading PhysX
[19:10] <cscheib> so I had to use Windows to search online for the new driver
[19:11] <cscheib> and... then they came into some kind of agreement.
[19:17] <jrwren> I couldn't handle that. It'd drive me mad.
[19:17] <jrwren> maybe it is because my win8.1 experience was so bad and I wasted so many hours on it.
[19:17] <jrwren> brousch: so that is what happened to me. I started valuing my time a lot more.
[19:24] <cscheib> I don't mind 8.1, other than the janky start screen
[19:24] <cscheib> it's kinda f'ed up when you have a 1440p display, run everything in non-fullscreen windows, and then you get jolted into a full screen start menu


[03:10] <Bashing-om> welcome lamar_123 :D
[03:10] <lamar_123> hi~
[03:15] <Bashing-om> lamar_123: Are you aware of the https://community.ubuntu.com/ forum . The developments forum.
[03:21] <lamar_123> I get it now~~~~
[03:21] <lamar_123> Bashing-om: thanks~
[03:37] <Bashing-om> lamar_123: Ya will find this too of interest: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Homed-MR
[03:48] <lamar_123> Bashing-om: The 244 version was released some time ago.  20.04 will use the version 245?
[03:54] <Bashing-om> lamar_123: UH huh. Though a lot can happen betwwen now and release :P