[04:52] <hikiko> hi
[05:09] <qengho> hikiko: good morning to you.
[05:09] <qengho> You never taught me how to say that in greek.  :(
[05:46] <hikiko> qengho, good morning (you just say kalimera καλημέρα) :p
[05:57] <hikiko> Trevinho, hi! could you also review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.menus-anim-lowgfx/+merge/298859 later? (skips some fade/animations in u7 by only changing settings)
[06:47] <seb128> jbicha, you have some xenial SRUs that are in proposed for a while and not verified, could you try to do that or find somebody to help you doing it (abiword, gnome-taquin, gnome-documents)
[07:24] <willcooke> o/
[07:29] <didrocks> good Friday willcooke
[07:29] <jbicha> seb128: sure, I feel bad verifying my own SRUs but I didn't get any response when I asked the u-gnome list a week ago either
[07:58] <willcooke> hey didrocks, are you free to help me with that new launcher this morning?
[08:03] <Laney> morning!
[08:03] <willcooke> hi Laney, how was climbing?
[08:03] <seb128> jbicha, can try on the IRC channel maybe? but it's fine verifying it's own SRUs if nobody else does
[08:03] <seb128> hey willcooke, Laney, happy friday!
[08:04] <Laney> willcooke: ahoy, it was goooooooooooood
[08:04] <Laney> new competition circuit
[08:04] <Laney> what's not to like?
[08:04] <jbicha> seb128: I think the problem for Ubuntu GNOME especially is the kind of people interested in testing stuff are interested in *new* stuff like the GNOME3 PPAs
[08:04] <Laney> then later on I took some rhubarb stalks from the garden and we had fool which was nice
[08:04] <Laney> hi seb128
[08:05] <Laney> how's are you?
[08:05] <Laney> and jbicha too
[08:05] <Laney> up late?
[08:05] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[08:05] <seb128> a bit tired
[08:05] <seb128> but it's friday, it's ok
[08:05] <seb128> just had some green tea and a croissant
[08:05] <Laney> nice
[08:06] <jbicha> Laney: yeah I was having trouble going to sleep
[08:07] <qengho> I'm happy. I got my laptop display fixed for US$70.
[08:08] <qengho> Someone in repair shop drove it across town to the factory that made laptop and they replaced something.
[08:09] <seb128> lol
[08:15] <didrocks> willcooke: in meetings, but we can try :)
[08:15] <didrocks> willcooke: you have snapcraft 2.12 now?
[08:16] <flexiondotorg> Morning.
[08:16] <flexiondotorg> Can I request a couple of merge proposal reviews please?
[08:16] <flexiondotorg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/indicator-session/mate-compatibility/+merge/297183
[08:16] <flexiondotorg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/cheese/caja-compatibility/+merge/298141
[08:17] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[08:17] <flexiondotorg> o/
[08:17] <seb128> flexiondotorg, try #ubuntu-devel? pitti is on a patch pilot shift
[08:18] <flexiondotorg> Thanks. Will do.
[08:18] <pitti> I'm here as well :)
[08:18] <willcooke> didrocks, I'm running devel from git, but it's old, gonna switch back to the archive version and update
[08:18] <didrocks> willcooke: normally, it's working as well with 2.11
[08:18] <pitti> flexiondotorg: I'll have a look
[08:18] <didrocks> willcooke: what you need to do is:
[08:18] <willcooke> didrocks, shall we move this to #snappy?
[08:18] <didrocks> willcooke: sure!
[08:19] <pitti> flexiondotorg: indicator-session is being handled via the CI train
[08:19] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Thanks.
[08:19] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/yelp/mate-compatibility/+merge/297171
[08:20] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, that one ^^^ too.
[08:20] <pitti> although I guess this simple packaging change can be pushed to trunk directly
[08:20] <seb128> I can do a landing for it if you want
[08:22] <pitti> seb128: this doesn't affect touch at all, does that really require the full CI train process?
[08:22]  * pitti is never sure what to do about those
[08:22] <seb128> no, I guess direct upload and commit to trunk is fine
[08:22] <pitti> ah, I can't commit to trunk
[08:22] <pitti> nor even approve the patch
[08:22] <seb128> you should
[08:23] <seb128> aren't coredev having access there?
[08:23] <seb128> bah
[08:23] <pitti> only ~indicator-applet-developers *grumble*
[08:23] <seb128> let me handle it
[08:24] <pitti> well, we can just upload and let them merge afterwards
[08:24] <pitti> seb128: ok, thanks; looking at the other one then
[08:24] <pitti> one"s"
[08:24] <seb128> well, in fact let me check with ted when he gets online
[08:24] <seb128> or not
[08:25] <seb128> k, they have a branch for 16.10 and another for 16.04
[08:25] <seb128> the tricky thing is that some of those component dual land to y/x
[08:25] <Trevinho> morning
[08:25] <seb128> or triple with the overlay
[08:25] <seb128> and in this case better to use the train and land to the different series together
[08:25] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:25] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[08:25] <seb128> Trevinho, how are you?
[08:25] <Trevinho> seb128: allright, you?
[08:26] <seb128> good
[08:26] <seb128> thanks
[08:35] <seb128> pitti, in fact please just dput indicator-session, seems you already did that once in yakkety and it makes the CI grumpy
[08:36] <seb128> so I'm going to let somebody from the indicator team sort that out
[08:36] <seb128> like the vcs doesn't have your previous upload
[08:36] <seb128> and the train bark because the archive and vcs are not in sync
[08:36] <pitti> seb128: ack
[08:36] <seb128> thanks
[08:37] <pitti> ah, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/indicator-session/correct-systemd-depends/+merge/285454
[08:37] <seb128> yeah
[08:37] <pitti> so (1) they don't review PRs quickly, and (2) make it impossible for ~core-dev to help out, so self-made hardship :)
[08:37] <seb128> I think we just need to manually push those to the vcs
[08:38] <pitti> ... which we can't
[08:38] <seb128> need to check with ted first
[08:38] <seb128> right
[08:38] <seb128> it's a bit annoying
[08:43] <pitti> seb128: btw, I vote for adding jbicha to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+members again :)
[08:45] <seb128> yeah, it's probably fine, I don't think we had the case before of people leaving and wanting to come back after a while so I said he should probably just do a few sponsor uploads first just for the form
[09:08] <seb128> happyaron, hey :-)
[09:08] <happyaron> seb128: hi
[09:08] <seb128> happyaron, how are you? at debconf yet?
[09:09] <happyaron> no, packing for flight tonight
[09:10] <Laney> hey happyaron
[09:10] <Laney> when do you arrive?
[09:10] <seb128> k
[09:10] <seb128> happyaron, did you get a chance to merge back those missing commits from nmapplet 1.2.2?
[09:11] <happyaron> Laney: 16:30 2nd July
[09:11] <Laney> :-o
[09:11] <Laney> late
[09:11] <Laney> do you have to change plane somewhere?
[09:11] <happyaron> seb128: not yet, will see if I have time after packing, :)
[09:12] <happyaron> Laney: yep, at DXB
[09:20] <seb128> happyaron, in how many hours are you likely to get that done or not?
[09:23] <happyaron> guess need 3 hours to finish packing&dinner
[09:23] <seb128> happyaron, I want to upload today, if you don't get done I'm going to add those back to what you current have and let you deal later with the git format thing and reconciliating the vcs
[09:24] <seb128> happyaron, just let me know if I should wait or not
[09:24] <seb128> happyaron, k, good luck packing and eating dinner, if you don't get to it it's fine but please keep me updated either way with a clear "wait for me or please upload hacking it"
[09:25] <happyaron> if you have bandwidth please go ahead, and let me to do the git homework
[09:25] <seb128> k
[09:38] <ximion> Laney: Debian uses the immutable-suites stuff now, so far, no issues
[09:40] <Laney> hi ximion
[09:40] <Laney> good news
[09:40] <Laney> I'm coming to CPT tomorrow, we can find some time in the week to look at it if you want
[09:42] <ximion> Laney: oooh, awesome!
[09:43] <ximion> I completely forgot to ask if you'd come :)
[09:43] <Laney> it's your lucky day!
[09:44] <ximion> I wrote the immutable suites stuff before and after dinner, so I hope I catched all corner cases (people are distracting - and also, it is pretty much eating things with slight interruptions all day ^^)
[09:45] <Laney> heh
[09:45] <Laney> sounds nice
[09:45] <ximion> I also came up with a plan to implement a proper testsuite / test at least the basic things in asgen - the current test coverage isn't awesome, and I feel a bit uncomfortable with that
[09:46] <ximion> yeah, the food is awesome so far! I hope they will keep this level when more attendants are there...
[09:49] <ximion> bring warm clothes - it's warm enough outside, but the buildings are surprisingly cold inside (unless you have heaters)
[09:51] <andyrock> hey all
[09:52] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[09:52] <andyrock> fine :D
[09:52] <andyrock> seb128: you?
[09:53] <seb128> good!
[09:58] <seb128> andyrock, what are you working on today?
[09:58] <andyrock> the copy dialog bug
[09:58] <Trevinho> hi andyrock
[09:58] <seb128> andyrock, don't forget to make those SRU bugs compliant, seems like Trevinho is processing with the SRUs but they bugs need the info
[09:58] <seb128> Ah, nice one
[09:58] <andyrock> ah i forgot
[09:58] <Trevinho> hikiko: I've checked the branches, but things don't apply
[09:58] <andyrock> one moment
[09:58] <seb128> I just got annoyed by that again
[09:59] <Trevinho> seb128: you always got ANY bug there, so you're filtered out from the average user stats :-D
[10:00] <seb128> lol
[10:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: settings change don't seem to apply here, but in general I think that we can't just change user settings... since if user toggles the low-gfx value from CCSM then options get not reset... And he has to put things back again... And this case might also happen when an user doesn't specity the setting, but just if, for some reason, is running in
[10:01] <Trevinho> software rendering. So this might be to aggressive.
[10:02] <Trevinho> hikiko: as I said, we should probably just add a compiz screen option that then bypasses some things in every plugin. In this way we can easily just go in normal and llowgfx mode. Without adding other "options" around...
[10:16] <Sweet5hark> Laney, willcooke: You are not alone anymore! Out of solidarity, Austria presidental election was declared invalid and has to be repeated.
[10:16]  * Sweet5hark wonders if its friday yet.
[10:16] <seb128> it was? :-(
[10:17] <seb128> they had the green party winning instead of the far right no?
[10:17] <hikiko> Trevinho, if we do it this way, when lowgfx is selected we'll have to set every option for every plugin
[10:17] <Trevinho> hikiko: no
[10:17] <Sweet5hark> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36681475
[10:18] <hikiko> I mean let's say we have plugin A, B, C with special options for low gfx
[10:18] <hikiko> unity will set compscreen lowgfx to true
[10:18] <Trevinho> hikiko: it's like how the lowgfx setting is currently working in unity... When it's up to draw, you read the value and then you change things depending on that
[10:18] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yes.
[10:18] <Trevinho> hikiko: yes
[10:19] <Trevinho> hikiko: but, you don't have to change any settinng internally in the plugin
[10:19] <Trevinho> hikiko: you've only to bypass the animation settings
[10:19] <Trevinho> hikiko: when lowgfx is set, you just chose a different drawing path
[10:19] <hikiko> won't it look weird to the user
[10:19] <Sweet5hark> whats the revocation deadline for 2016? I want 2015 back.
[10:19] <hikiko> to see in ccsm that animation is let's say glide
[10:19] <hikiko> and there's no glide?
[10:19] <hikiko> when I change the setting
[10:20] <hikiko> compiz and ccsm and unity show the same
[10:20] <Trevinho> hikiko: it might look weird, but ccsm is not supported anyway... And if user is using a lowgfx-mode is already that way. While he expect not all things to work properly
[10:20] <seb128> hikiko, Trevinho,btw ideally the low graphics would work without option, there is a flag gnome-session sets that is used in GNOME, doing the same there would be nice
[10:20] <hikiko> seb128, Trevinho says another thing
[10:20] <hikiko> currently
[10:20] <hikiko> I check if lowgfx is set
[10:21] <hikiko> and then I set some extra or existing options in some plugins
[10:21] <hikiko> all that from unity
[10:21] <Trevinho> hikiko: no, I'm not saying that
[10:21] <hikiko> Trevinho, says we should have a variable lowgfx
[10:21] <hikiko> in compscreen
[10:21] <hikiko> no?
[10:22] <Trevinho> hikiko: ah, ok yeay...
[10:22] <Trevinho> hikiko: you were saying what you're doing before :)
[10:22] <hikiko> so when this variable is true
[10:22] <hikiko> each plugin draws accordingly
[10:22] <hikiko> but I disagree because the user will see other settings in ccsm
[10:22] <Trevinho> ideally I'd use an enum, more than a boolean, so it might support other levels in future
[10:22] <hikiko> and have different settings on his desktop
[10:22] <hikiko> plus
[10:23] <hikiko> when the option is added
[10:23] <hikiko> I mean
[10:23] <seb128> well unity is already limiting itself in software rendering mode no?
[10:23] <hikiko> in expo
[10:23] <Trevinho> hikiko: yeah, but it's already like that... Currently unity ignores any options about blur or transparency when the lowgfx mode is set.
[10:23] <hikiko> seb128, yes but what you see in settings is the settings you have
[10:23] <hikiko> Trevinho, yes but that's 1 plugin
[10:23] <hikiko> now it will be for every plugin
[10:24] <hikiko> plus
[10:24] <Trevinho> hikiko: ccsm is something we don't care about.. .I mean if the user sees a different setting, it's fine. We only care about settings exposed in unity control center
[10:25] <hikiko> I understand but why to make it misfunction when we can avoid this + also: adding new options (eg: animation: None to expo) will be shown in the plugin card
[10:25] <Trevinho> hikiko: I mean, you can do the way you want to... but it would need more work IMHO. Because we can't really reset the user settings as you're currently doing. So you'd need to copy them somewhere and then reset them back
[10:25] <Trevinho> imho it's more annoying than just bypassing them
[10:25] <hikiko> the user might want to use it
[10:26] <hikiko> for example
[10:26] <hikiko> he might decide
[10:26] <hikiko> that in expo
[10:26] <hikiko> he wants some eyecandy despite the lowgfx
[10:26] <hikiko> so that way
[10:26] <hikiko> he can open ccsm
[10:26] <hikiko> and change it
[10:26] <hikiko> +also
[10:27] <hikiko> the most important which I didn't thought
[10:27] <hikiko> the fade for example is not done in drawing and we skip it
[10:27] <hikiko> it's done in many small redraws (it's a progressive effect)
[10:27] <hikiko> so if you need to skip it
[10:27] <hikiko> you reduce these steps
[10:28] <Trevinho> Well.... I see the thing, but let's focus on why we need such lowgfx mode: we've to ensure unity runs reducing the eyecandy, but keeping things functional in normal mode. Hacking the settings is something we really can't support in this scenario.
[10:28] <hikiko> before drawing!
[10:28] <hikiko> yes, but we were also thinking (willcooke) that we might have different options for eyecandy
[10:28] <hikiko> like
[10:28] <Trevinho> hikiko: I guess you can just read the variable before drawing too...
[10:29] <hikiko> I can I just want to show you that it's not more simple solution :)
[10:29] <Trevinho> hikiko: I'm not against it, eh... It's just that this would need way more work imho, that we can avoid. Since we've not much time before .1
[10:29] <hikiko> imo its better to give a simple and fast DE to the user
[10:29] <davmor2> hikiko: you me real fire from the screen as your laptop ignites?
[10:29] <hikiko> and allow him
[10:29] <hikiko> to add whatever he likes afterwards
[10:30] <hikiko> instead of ignoring his preferences
[10:30] <hikiko> and the work is the same
[10:30] <hikiko> you either check for lowgfx on u7
[10:30] <hikiko> or you use an extra var in compiz
[10:30] <hikiko> and check twice
[10:30] <hikiko> for the same thing :)
[10:30] <Trevinho> hikiko: free to go, but... As I said, in that case we need to figure out a way to set user settings back when he toggles the gfx mode, because he choose it or because enevironment changed
[10:31] <hikiko> also willcooke had this idea: that we could later give different "sets" of unity effects
[10:31] <hikiko> like fast u7, extremely fast, normal, full eyecandy
[10:31] <hikiko> etc
[10:31] <Trevinho> hikiko: so... We can do that, but as I said some time ago, we can't do this by changing the default unity profile
[10:31] <hikiko> yeah
[10:31] <hikiko> but why do all this workaround
[10:31] <Trevinho> hikiko: add a new unity-lowgfx profile in unity settings, and then you can change whatever you want
[10:32] <hikiko> and restrict the user
[10:32] <Trevinho> compiz settings, not unity settings... Sorry
[10:32] <hikiko> yeah that's a good idea for later
[10:32] <hikiko> but I'd prefer to keep the lowgfx outside of compiz
[10:33] <hikiko> besides it's a u7 setting not a compiz one
[10:33] <hikiko> :s/setting/option or restriction
[10:34] <Trevinho> hikiko: later... Well, it's better to do that now if this is the way we want to proceed. Since we really can't land a version of unity that might revert so many user settings when lowgfx mode is set (which also might happen because of a driver/kernel update that temporary broke things).
[10:35] <hikiko> maybe have a meeting with willcooke (ping :D) next week and discuss this?
[10:35] <hikiko> I think that it's not a good idea to add the lowgfx to compiz
[10:35] <Trevinho> So, if you want to play with user settings, make possible that a new unity-lowgfx ccp profile is used in that mode... And then you can modify from unity whathever you want. Otherwise we're breaking stuff
[10:36] <willcooke> wat!
[10:36]  * willcooke reads
[10:36] <Trevinho> hikiko: you can avoid that, as said... You have to add a new settings profile
[10:36] <hikiko> willcooke, warning you have to do a lot of scroll-up
[10:36] <Trevinho> see the unity.ini in compiz and ccsm settings profiles
[10:36] <willcooke> I'm lazy, can we just have a quick hangout to discuss now?
[10:36] <Trevinho> hikiko: but we can't really play with default one in such way
[10:36] <Trevinho> willcooke: ok
[10:36] <hikiko> ok
[10:37] <willcooke> Trevinho, hikiko - https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/will?authuser=0
[10:37] <Trevinho> seb128: if you want to join...
[10:38] <hikiko> sec
[10:41] <hikiko> pff no sound joining from laptop
[10:44] <hikiko> hey guys do you hear me?
[10:45] <seb128> Trevinho, u-s-d deleted from silo
[10:45] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks, and new silo prepared
[10:46] <seb128> thanks
[11:04] <Laney> going to pack + do errands before train
[11:04] <Laney> biab hopefully
[11:10] <seb128> Laney, good luck with the packing!
[11:23] <hikiko> Trevinho, could you paste me the name of the tool?
[11:23] <Trevinho> hikiko: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test
[11:24] <hikiko> and the code is part of nux?
[11:24] <hikiko> or another branch?
[11:24] <Trevinho> well, it's in x86_64 now
[11:24] <Trevinho> hikiko: it's nux
[11:24] <Trevinho> hikiko: nux/tools/unity_support_test.c
[11:25] <hikiko> cool :) thanks
[11:26] <hikiko> well I have to go now, I'll be back in 2-3hrs and finish it +also, I might do a quick compiz branch with a low gfx setting to be ready for merge just in case... although I think the profile will be ok :)
[11:26] <hikiko> bbl
[11:49] <Trevinho> bregma: released https://launchpad.net/compiz/0.9.13/<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:20] <andyrock> seb128: i know you're going to be happy about this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1578792) being fixed
[12:20] <andyrock> :D
[12:50] <seb128> andyrock, great, free beer for you next time!
[13:22] <mitya57> seb128, qt uses GtkSettings when the GTK+ platform theme is available.
[13:23] <mitya57> (which on X11 is a wrapper around XSettings)
[13:23] <mitya57> Also other platform themes can add their own code to detect the icon theme.
[13:25] <seb128> mitya57, thanks, and sorry I forgot to unping, we got things working (trying to get snap applications properly themes and the snap was missing the qt svg loader)
[13:25] <mitya57> No problem, and sorry for being not online in the last couple of days ;)
[13:34] <pitti> yummy ice cream
[13:35] <pitti> fit for the remaining few Friday hours :)
[13:35] <desrt> good morning everyone
[13:36] <pitti> heeeey desrt!
[13:36] <desrt> and happy canada day :)
[13:37] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:38] <desrt> it's a holiday to celebrate the fact that even though our current PM is an idiot, at least we don't live in the UK or US
[13:39] <desrt> or in the words of the most patriotic canadian band of all time -- the arrogant worms -- "we won't say that we're better... it's just that we're less worse."
[13:39]  * desrt feels so so... proud?
[13:41] <seb128> lol
[13:42] <qengho> desrt: I went to the party the Canadian AlmostAnEmbassyButNotOfficialBecauseChinaIsBig's Canada Day Party here in Taipei, on Sunday. All the ONAN expats were there. Was kind of weird.
[13:43] <qengho> I only went for the poutine, and came away very very disappointed.
[13:45] <qengho> desrt: I did teach a gaggle of chinese kiddies how to hold a hockey stick.
[13:45] <desrt> i imagine poutine to be the sort of thing that doesn't travel particularly well
[13:45] <desrt> but cool that you checked it out :D
[14:44]  * qengho Zzzz.
[15:31] <Trevinho> hikiko: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/compiz/unity-lowgfx/+merge/298918
[15:49] <hikiko> Trevinho, just sent an email let me see
[15:50] <hikiko> Trevinho, is this the new profile?
[15:50] <Trevinho> hikiko: yes
[15:50] <hikiko> (thanks :)) I was looking at the tool code (nux)
[15:51] <hikiko> I guess you mean to extend it
[15:51] <Trevinho> apply that on top of your branch
[15:51] <Trevinho> what you mean about extend?
[15:51] <hikiko> Trevinho, this will change the default profile?
[15:51] <hikiko> oh!
[15:51] <hikiko> I just noticed the ini :DD
[15:51] <Trevinho> hikiko: no
[15:51] <hikiko> yes got it!
[15:52] <hikiko> so I ll have to load this at the beginning?
[15:52] <hikiko> at startup*
[15:52] <hikiko> how does .ini work?
[15:53] <hikiko> is it like a startup script?
[15:53] <Trevinho> hikiko: once installed that and the config in /etc/compizconfig/
[15:53] <Trevinho> you can load compiz
[15:53] <Trevinho> with
[15:53] <Trevinho> COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE=ubuntu_lowgfx
[15:54] <Trevinho> or change it at runtime with ccsm, but...
[15:54] <Trevinho> what we want do do is, inside the upstart job to decide what to use
[15:56] <hikiko> yes, so I have to extend the nux/tools/unity_support_test.c to check for low gfx tool too and set the env var in a script in ~/.config/upstart/unity.conf?
[15:56] <hikiko> btw does upstart work with systemd Trevinho ?
[15:57] <Trevinho> hikiko: at user level we use only upstart, so we don't care about systemd
[15:58] <hikiko> and the upstart conf file for unity is that above?
[15:58] <hikiko> or something else?
[15:58] <hikiko> I've found that in the ubuntu forums :p
[15:58] <Trevinho> un unity_support_test.c, you've to ensure that all the checks we do in unityshell.cpp (at the beginning) are present there
[15:58] <Trevinho> in*
[15:59] <hikiko> I just don't understand how that .c is connected with upstart
[15:59] <Trevinho> it's not yet
[15:59] <Trevinho> I'll modify the unity7.conf file so that it launches that script... If it returns an error, we'll use the low-gfx mode otherwise we proceed as normal
[16:00] <hikiko> alright ;) now it all makes clear
[16:00] <hikiko> so, do you prefer a small standalone program that does only that?
[16:01] <hikiko> the u7 checks?
[16:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: we've it, and it's unity_support_test.c
[16:01] <hikiko> lol
[16:01] <Trevinho> hikiko: can you just please check if that does all the right checks?
[16:02] <hikiko> because it does a lot more, alright then
[16:02] <Trevinho> hikiko: well, if you want to simplify it, feel free.. but I think it's still quite light, isn't it?
[16:02] <hikiko> if you like it, it's fine for me
[16:03] <Trevinho> hikiko: I'm fine with that, I just would like you to ensure that all the extensions we care about are in there
[16:03] <hikiko> OpenGL extensions, right?
[16:05] <Trevinho> hikiko: yes
[16:05] <Trevinho> hikiko: then there's thins comment:   // FIXME(loicm): Compiz does a last check to test whether there's a fbconfig
[16:05] <Trevinho>   //     available for the default depth or not.
[16:06] <hikiko> alright I'll check if there's that on u7
[16:12] <Trevinho> hikiko: do we have a bug for this thing? So  I can attach all the branches to that
[16:14] <hikiko> no
[16:14] <hikiko> well
[16:14] <hikiko> yes
[16:14] <hikiko> there's one: Unity is slow
[16:14] <hikiko> somewhere...
[16:14] <hikiko> let me find it
[16:16] <hikiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1293384
[16:28] <Trevinho> hikiko: mh, not sure that's the same problem, it looks quite generic... but we can add a new one
[16:28] <Trevinho> hikiko: please check and approve https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/nux/support-test-llvmpipe-check/+merge/298926
[16:34] <hikiko> Trevinho, approved
[16:43] <Trevinho> hikiko: thanks, did you give a look to that FIXME statement in unity-support-test?
[16:44] <seb128> ok, calling it a week
[16:44] <seb128> have a nice w.e everyone
[16:45] <Trevinho> seb128: you too
[16:45] <Trevinho> seb128: good luck with those Vulcanic players ;)
[16:46] <seb128> haha
[16:46] <seb128> nice Italia vs Germany tomorrow!
[16:46] <seb128> then it's us
[16:47] <ogra_> seb128, LOL
[16:47] <ogra_> you dont fear iceland at all, eh ?
[16:48] <seb128> less than Italy let's say
[16:48] <seb128> ;-)
[16:48] <ogra_> well ...
[16:49] <Trevinho> Considering how things are going... I expect portugal to get the cup without winning a single match
[16:49] <ogra_> not so sure ... italy are old farts :)
[16:49] <Trevinho> yeah, we'll see...
[16:52] <hikiko> Trevinho, I dont understand what loic means, fbconfig is a program to set the framebuffer device options... if you draw to the /dev/fb0 (we don't) you might use it to find the color depth
[16:53] <Trevinho> ah, ok
[16:53] <hikiko> but I can't understand what "test whether there's an fbconfig available for the default depth or not" means
[16:54] <hikiko> I'll get a look at compiz he might mean something else
[16:56] <Trevinho> hikiko: ok thanks
[16:57] <andyrock> eow
[16:58] <hikiko> maybe the GLX_SGIX_fbconfig extension?
[17:01] <hikiko> maybe "framebuffer configuration"
[17:02]  * Laney wibbles from nearly-LHR
[17:02] <hikiko> but still it doesn't make much sense
[17:03] <hikiko> it also might mean the Xserver fbconfig struct
[17:04] <hikiko> Trevinho, might mean to check that xserver can use 24 and 32 bit visuals?
[17:07] <Laney> andyrock: !!!
[17:08] <Laney> I have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1595698 and was blaming it on gtk 320
[17:40] <Trevinho> hikiko: I think it's quite implicit by other cheks, isn't it=
[17:40] <Trevinho> ?
[21:51] <qengho> ayan: hihi


[10:28] <eran_> hey folks, I need to run an upstart script that first parses a file, then load environment and then run an application as a non-root user.
[10:29] <eran_> is it possible to let upstart track the pid of that specific user?
[10:29] <eran_> what I currently have is: script --> parse file --> load env --> run application -- end script
[10:30] <eran_> sorry, it's:
[10:30] <eran_> what I currently have is: script --> parse file --> load env --> run application as a specific user (su - user -c <command>) -- end script
[10:30] <eran_> but then upstart tracks the wrong application pid
[12:35] <AnrDaemon> eran_: Overall, it is a very bad idea to parse anything in upstart job.
[12:36] <AnrDaemon> If you need to customize variables, declare them in job file, and supply an .override with changed values.
[13:03] <eran_> AnrDaemon, what do you mean declare them in job file? and what is .override?
[13:32] <JanC> are you using an antique version of upstart?  (e.g. in an old version of Red Hat?)
[13:35] <AnrDaemon> eran_: Documentation covers that.


[13:07] <shakes808> morning
[13:08] <shakes808> cmaloney: https://goo.gl/noNxhd
[13:08] <shakes808> ^^^ job fair
[13:17] <rick_h> morning
[13:20] <cmaloney> shakes808: Thanks
[13:20] <cmaloney> morning
[13:20] <cmaloney> Having fun here. Got in to a fender bender last night
[13:20] <cmaloney> person behind me didn't stop
[13:21] <cmaloney> nothing serious but now it's "call this, do that".
[13:21] <cmaloney> and of course it was before taking Pixel to the vet
[13:22] <cmaloney> whee
[13:22] <_stink_> :/
[13:22] <cmaloney> 's all good
[13:24] <cmaloney> on the plus side: JavaScript has broken my brain enough that I'm enjoying playing with scheme / guile
[13:24] <cmaloney> so I have that going for me
[13:25] <shakes808> cmaloney: glad you are alright.
[13:26] <shakes808> oh boy haha, scheme.  just got away from that.
[13:27] <cmaloney> WHere were you doing scheme?
[13:27] <cmaloney> shakes808: Thanks. JoDee went to the hospital because she didn't feel right, but she's fine
[13:28] <cmaloney> they just pumped her up with aspirin
[13:31] <shakes808> After MorPACE, I was recruited to United Shore Financial Services.  The system that they had was a thrid party loan origination system and the way you customized it was with scheme.
[13:31] <shakes808> I believe we talked about it when I was coming to your CHC on Woodward because when i started there, they were just up the road.
[13:32] <shakes808> they have migrated to C# since, but they still have that third party software running the backend calcs.
[13:32] <shakes808> they said they were going to be off that system in 1 year ( > 3 year ago ) and they still are using it
[13:33] <shakes808> they didn't want to listen to some of us and the business "knew better" so they are stuck with it currently and are running more instances of it in the back end then ever because they just don't understand their own calculations for the business that they are in...  :|
[13:34] <jrwren> shakes808: wait... you worked for Shore? Do you know Matt Rose?
[13:34] <shakes808> And JoDee didn't feel well because of the accident or is that a separate event?
[13:35] <shakes808> jrwren: yeah he was the UI lead.  heard he walked out or something,  he was a good guy.   took a lot of shit while he was there
[13:35] <jrwren> shakes808: they fired him.
[13:35] <jrwren> shakes808: his is a very good friend of mine.
[13:35] <shakes808> what for?
[13:35] <jrwren> "he is"
[13:35] <jrwren> i don't know. He doesn't really know. I think that new VP came in and wanted to make some waves.
[13:36] <shakes808> that new vp is a dipshit
[13:36] <shakes808> another one or two directors left because of him
[13:37] <shakes808> one of them was asked what would they have to do to keep him, basically said he would stay if they canned the vp
[13:37] <shakes808> the director put in his 2 weeks on the spot because they said that wasn't going to happen
[13:38] <shakes808> that place doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground
[13:38] <shakes808> it is pretty funny to be on the outside looking in.  i still keep in contact with some people there
[13:41] <shakes808> jrwren: what is matt up to now a days?
[13:44] <jrwren> he was out of work for a while, now he is working at some consulting place in detriot.
[13:44] <cmaloney> shakes808: I don't remember you mentioning scheme (or if you did I filed it away in the "huh, that's weird" bucket)
[13:44] <jrwren> they have office right on woodward, it looks lovely
[13:44] <cmaloney> but that's cool
[13:47] <shakes808> jrwren: glad he found something.
[13:47] <shakes808> cmaloney: yeah, itwas more of a`who the hell is using scheme?!`
[13:47] <shakes808> it was*
[13:57] <jrwren> scheme is just a lisp and everyone is using lisp... aren't they?
[13:58] <cmaloney> JavScript is just a lisp. ;)
[13:58] <cmaloney> We are all lisp
[13:58] <jrwren> zactly
[13:58] <cmaloney> I'm a bit surprised that Logo was essentially a Lisp
[13:58]  * cmaloney never learned proper logo
[14:01] <jrwren> me either, apparently.
[14:04] <cmaloney> Yeah, I had an Atari program called "Turtle" which was a weak little "move the turtle around"
[14:04] <cmaloney> Never picked up Pilot either from Atari
[14:04] <cmaloney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PILOT
[14:05] <cmaloney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCBLogo


[08:07] <popey> doctormo: yeah, he came down with Dan Lynch from Linux Outlaws
[08:16] <doctormo> Long ping
[08:19] <popey> :D
[08:39] <doctormo> popey: Whatcha working on?
[13:16] <popey> doctormo: something super secret and awesome :D


[00:18] <ShellcatZero> teward: That is apparently not the issue.  Here is the bug report I've filed, I'm awaiting on advice for the associated package, but I'm guess it's GRUB.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1810070
 if you use Falkon browser on Lubuntu: https://sovietek.wordpress.com/2018/12/31/bdic-dictionaries-for-falkon/
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/4dDZn0gu/file_5703.bdic
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/irJw5A3Q/file_5704.bdic
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/G6799mh0/file_5705.bdic
 @JyotiGomes [if you use Falkon browser on Lubuntu: https://sovietek.wordpress.com/2018/12/31/ …], What's Falkon?
[07:48] <diogenes_> Falkon is the best OSS web browser
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/Z6Bs0DhU/file_5707.bdic
 @AceHW [What's Falkon?], https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkon
 @diogenes_ [<diogenes_> Falkon is the best OSS web browser], Since you seem to know Falkon well, can you tell us if the development work remains sufficiently active to guarantee that it will continue for a long time and that we can use it as the main browser at Lubuntu?
[08:14] <diogenes_> JyotiGomes, judging by the fact that it has become a KDE project, depends on qtwebengine, it's being actively developed and some distros already adopted it as the default, i'd say it has a bright future.
 @diogenes_ [<diogenes_> JyotiGomes, judging by the fact that it has become a KDE project, de …], 👍 😃
[15:06] <Ascavasaion> Can someone please tell me what package includes the default games that come with lubuntu?
 @Ascavasaion [<Ascavasaion> Can someone please tell me what package includes the default games …], which version? 18.10 only comes with 2048-qt
 Happy 2019! What major projects does the Lubuntu team of developers have for 2019? 😊


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[00:03]  * penguin42 wonders how many people still use lilo (and why)
[00:05] <ari-tczew> penguin42: anyway, we should grab changes from Debian for it.
[00:05] <penguin42> indeed, I'm just curious
[00:07] <ari-tczew> penguin42: we supply great quality packages even to small number of consignees (:
[00:08] <penguin42> indeed
[00:24] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: again MoM is hanging :/
[08:44]  * maco  tries to find examples on the google
[08:44] <maco> stupid irc client
[08:45] <maco> stupid irc client
[18:15] <ssj6akshat> sam-_-, wow what a nick
[18:22] <sam-_-> hmm?
[18:23] <sam-_-> ssj6akshat, hmm?
[18:23] <ssj6akshat> sam-_-, i mean it is awesome
[18:23] <ion> dendro-afk: Thanks for the information!
[18:24] <sam-_-> ssj6akshat, why?
[18:24] <sam-_-> ssj6akshat, ironie?
[18:24] <ssj6akshat> sam-_-, the -_- part
[18:24] <sam-_-> ssj6akshat, ok...
[18:25] <sam-_-> ssj6akshat, steal it then :-)
[18:25] <ssj6akshat-_-> sam-_-, :P
[18:26] <sam-_-> ssj6akshat, your welcome
[23:22] <bdrung> ebroder: hi
[23:23] <ebroder> bdrung: Hey, what's up?
[23:23] <bdrung> ebroder: we just commented your merge proposal at the same time. :)
[23:24] <ebroder> Ha, so we did
[23:24] <ebroder> I'll take care of your stuff while I'm rearranging the interface
[23:26] <bdrung> ebroder: and you could wrap at 80 lines
[23:27] <ebroder> Sure
[23:29] <bdrung> ebroder: the "still" in the question sound weird in my ears.
[23:31] <ebroder> I...honestly don't know why I wrote it like that
[23:31] <bdrung> the "Something" too
[23:31] <bdrung> ebroder: the params "<source package> <source release> <dest release> <upload target>" looks to unflexible to me.
[23:32] <ebroder> bdrung: I'm going to switch those to required options
[23:32] <bdrung> ebroder: i have a local script that works with one parameter
[23:32] <bdrung> ebroder: and please allow specifying a version
[23:32]  * ebroder needs to start taking notes so I don't forget all of this
[23:33] <bdrung> ebroder: and one feature request: allow building the package before uploading (refer to sponsor-patch)
[23:34] <bdrung> ebroder: if a version is specified, i use "dget -xu https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/${SRC_DIST}/+source/${PACKAGE}/${VERSION}/+files/${PACKAGE}_${NOEPOCH_VERSION}.dsc"
[23:34] <ebroder> bdrung: Hmm...I think that for this script it's actually more desirable to verify the version and bail if it's not current
[23:35] <ebroder> ScottK actually asked me to include a version, since we have a bunch of backport requests like "please backport foo (1.2.3)" when 1.2.3 is no longer current and we can't actually process that request
[23:36] <bdrung> ebroder: in my use cases pull-lp-source gives me an older version :)
[23:36] <ebroder> Ok, how about this: if you specify both a source release and a version, they have to match. If you specify just a source release, use pull-lp-source. If you specify just a version, use your dget invoke
[23:37] <bdrung> ebroder: yes
[23:39] <bdrung> ebroder: why do you call dch with --preserve?
[23:39] <ebroder> Because I don't want it renaming the directory on me
[23:39] <bdrung> aha, ok
[23:40] <bdrung> ebroder: suggestion: if no source release is specified, use the latest
[23:40] <ebroder> That's reasonable. For my first draft I was trying to avoid using any more lplib than I had to
[23:42] <bdrung> ebroder: will the logging print something to the terminal?
[23:42] <ebroder> Yeah, although I wouldn't mind cleaning that up into something more structured
[23:45] <bdrung> ebroder: i will ditch my backport script in favor of you backportpackage script (once it allows test building)


[03:43] <havenstance> can anyone recommend a decent traffic monitor that isn't ntopng or darkstat?
[14:24] <jrwren> i wish. I've been looking for anything that does flow level monitoring and its all complex as heck.


[17:24] <etneg> hi
[17:59] <etneg> whoever is awake
[23:46] <directhex> is the original layered source for the lucid wallpaper available?


[08:48] <popey> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ernie-hartley-membership-application/31307
[08:48] <popey> does djshabb lurk here at all?
[09:11] <zxmpi> haven't seen that handle here but i could be wrong


[16:33] <powersj> magicalChicken: emailed Paul about pylxd merge 211... he just merged it :)
[16:34] <rharper> nice
[17:09] <magicalChicken> powersj: awesome, thanks for getting that merged. I may put together a ppa to build pylxd directly from the repo to test
[17:10] <powersj> ok we should probably test that it does actually fix things :)
[17:55] <ranger81> what is the best way to execute a cloud config file in ubuntu after instance is booted? For example, CoreOS has coreos-clouinit tool.
[18:09] <Odd_Bloke> ranger81: cloud-init runs in all Ubuntu cloud instances, so should Just Work (TM).  Are you seeing problems?
[18:12] <ranger81> @Odd_Bloke I want to run this on a already booted/provisioned node stand-alone. For example, if you have a cloud-config.yml, in CoreOS, you can run /bin/coreos-cloudinit --from-file cloud-config.yml to add users, write files etc. In ubuntu, there is /usr/bin/cloud-init, but this does not work same ways as CoreOS.
[18:13] <Odd_Bloke> ranger81: Ah, OK, I misunderstood the "after instance is booted" to mean "immediately after". :p
[18:14] <Odd_Bloke> I'm not sure how you'd get cloud-init to do that, perhaps smoser can help.
[18:15] <ranger81> @Odd_Bloke @smoser I am thinking I should write a yaml parser in python and then execute necessary commands to add ssh-users for this. I am not sure if that is the best approach.
[18:17] <smoser> ranger81, cloud-init doesn't really have function to do that at the moment.
[18:17] <smoser> it is admittedlyuseful/desireable.
[18:17] <smoser> you an run individual config modules with a config
[18:18] <smoser> cloud-init --file=your.cfg single --name=users_groups --frequency=always
[18:18] <smoser> so that is similar, but you have to know which config moduels to run
[18:20] <ranger81> @smoser that helps.
[18:23] <ranger81> @smoser where can I find list of supported modules that I can use in standalone mode like this? example users_groups
[18:24] <ranger81> smoser: did not tag you in previous messages
[18:49] <rharper> ranger81: AFAIK, all of the config modules support that; http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html


[12:21] <hunger_> Yahoo! As soon as I have all the updates downloaded all the bugs will have vanished! kde 3.4.1 is in the archives:-)
[12:21] <hunger_> Thanks guys for providing all the debs.
[12:23] <uniq> is breezy kde-safe yet?
[12:26] <hunger_> uniq: I doubt that breezy is safe;-)
[12:28] <uniq> kde-safe as in.. x and kdebase is installable?
[12:28] <uniq> and starts.
[12:28] <hunger> uniq: I am trying that right now:-)
[12:28] <uniq> great.
[12:29] <uniq> think i'll wait with the upgrade on this machine.
[12:33] <hunger> uniq: apt-get install kdebase started and downloads lots of stuff, so the dependencies seem to be ok.
[12:34] <uniq> great.
[12:34] <uniq> i'm apt-get upgrading the other pc here..
[12:34] <uniq> with breezy.
[12:35] <uniq> dist-upgrade removes some vital packages (to me) yet.
[12:35] <hunger> kubuntu-desktop is not yet installable.
[12:35] <uniq> yet/still.
[12:35] <hunger> amarok?
[12:35] <uniq> among others.
[12:35] <KaiL> there's still enough missing: kdenetwork-stuff, amarok, k3b, kaffeine, konserve, gwenview, kynaptic
[12:36] <uniq> you can simply recompile them yourself.. though.
[12:38] <uniq> it is for most packages.
[12:39] <hunger> uniq: I helped to migrate a c++ project from gcc 2.95 to 3... I am not keen on repeating the experience (even though the current transistion is not that bad).
[12:40] <uniq> hehe.. understand :)
[12:41] <hunger> uniq: and of course I do not need yet another project to sidetrack me...
[12:42] <uniq> heh.. well.. if you need ex. k3b.. it's probably easier to compile it yourself.. than downgrading everything else :)
[12:43] <hunger> ... did not yet find the time to get started on that damn perl thingy.
[12:44] <uniq> bash rocks :)
[12:44] <hunger> uniq: zsh rocks even more;-)
[12:44] <uniq> i know.. i use zsh as my default shell..
[12:44] <uniq> but bash for scripts.
[12:45] <hunger> uniq: Nah... that is no fun... besides: you should aim for POSIX shells, not bash.
[12:45] <uniq> bash rocks.
[12:47] <uniq> don't think i'll need a posix shell in the nearest future.
[12:49] <hunger> uniq: I keep ending up on strange mashines with strange shells;-)
[12:49] <uniq> heh.. luckily i don't have that problem :)
[12:50] <uniq> maybe i'll get it.. if i ever install macosx on this machine.
[12:55] <hunger> Damn KDE... keeps forgetting my keybindings:-(
[01:09] <KaiL> hunger: can you at least get them back?
[01:09] <hunger> KaiL: They come and go...
[01:10] <KaiL> hunger: here the F-Keys are dead :(
[01:10] <KaiL> and some others too
[01:11] <KaiL> ...but only for these bindings, F1=help still works
[01:11] <KaiL> seams to be an Xorg problem....
[01:12] <uniq> riddell: #10035 should be fixed in hoary-updates now, right?
[01:13] <KaiL> ...since centuries ;)
[01:13] <Riddell> uniq: certainly should
[01:13] <Riddell> KaiL: the fix for malitious removing of /etc/kderc only came through today
[01:14] <KaiL> and has an own bug #
[01:14] <KaiL> so we can call 10035 fixed with one of the knetworkconf updates
[01:14] <Riddell> I think I closed another bugzilla entry for that
[01:15] <Riddell> I should get these more organised :)
[01:15] <uniq> riddell: i closed this one.
[01:15] <Riddell> uniq: thanks
[01:16] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11082 << are there localisations for amarok somewhere on the world?
[01:18] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10877 should we call this fixed, or should dbus-qt-1 dependency realy reduced to the indirect one?
[01:20] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10805 this bug remembers me of Mozilla, there are all reports like this
[01:21] <Riddell> KaiL: not sure what's up with the amarok locales, someone needs to investigate that
[01:22] <Riddell> KaiL: 10877 is still waiting on a kubuntu-desktop update
[01:23] <Riddell> 10805 doesn't look kubuntu specific
[01:23] <Riddell> but he seems to just be seeing updatedb happening
[01:26] <Riddell> does knemo work for people?
[01:26] <Riddell> it doesn't do very much for me even when I add a network interface to it
[01:27] <uniq> works for me.
[01:27] <uniq> adds a little icon in the systray.. like in windows.
[01:27] <Riddell> but the little icon doesn't do anything
[01:27] <uniq> lets me add commands to the rightclick menu on the icon. and such.
[01:27] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10353 can somebody reproduce that?
[01:28] <uniq> i've added enable and disable.
[01:28] <uniq> that's all.
[01:28] <Riddell> uniq: how do you add commands?
[01:28] <Riddell> KaiL: I've heard various complaints about kuser crashing
[01:29] <uniq> riddell: right-click - configure - choose your interface - context menu
[01:29] <uniq> 'add new entry' on the right side of the box.
[01:31] <Riddell> ah, you have to turn the traffic plotter on
[01:31] <Riddell> don't see why it can't detect which interfaces you have
[01:32] <Riddell> you have turn on the tool tips as well, silly
[01:32] <Riddell> and it doesn't flash when there's traffic
[01:33] <uniq> mine flashes when it's traffic.
[01:33] <uniq> the two monitors icon.
[01:34] <Riddell> KaiL: yep, kuser crashes
[01:34] <uniq> kail: I can reproduce the kuser crash too.
[01:34] <KaiL> on hoary? doesn't do in breezy...
[01:34] <Riddell> ah, a quick fix then :)
[01:34] <uniq> i'm on hoary @ ppc.. i can check on breezy @ amd64 too.
[01:36] <Riddell> uniq: I found the context menu bit, but how do I set the entries to do something?
[01:36] <uniq> kuser isn't very enterprise.. it's actually very broken.
[01:36] <uniq> riddell: click on the command field.
[01:37] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9900 I guess, xmms-kde is universe? :)
[01:37] <uniq> it's har to find the correct spot :)
[01:37] <Riddell> ah
[01:37] <Riddell> yes, this thing could do with some improvements in user interface and default settings
[01:37] <uniq> indeed.
[01:37] <Riddell> KaiL: it is
[01:39] <Riddell> and there are other media control panel applets
[01:39] <uniq> kuser is dangerous..
[01:39] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9837 something for the settings :)
[01:40] <Riddell> I want to replace kuser with guideance
[01:40] <uniq> tried to add a user to another group.. and kuser changed all other settings for the user.. uid set to 0, shell set to nothing, home gone etc.
[01:40] <Riddell> KaiL: I'm open to persuation on that one
[01:40] <uniq> now, if i try to remove this user with uid 0.. root will dissapear.
[01:41] <Riddell> uniq: the fact that it uses icons from Windows suggests something to me
[01:41] <uniq> hehe :)
[01:51] <Riddell> chances are it just need syncing with debian
[01:55] <KaiL> hmm, we are producing a bit bugzilla spam? :)
[01:56] <KaiL> uniq<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is you?
[01:56] <uniq> riddell: you're right..
[01:56] <uniq> kail: yes.
[01:59] <uniq> riddell: will things in main get synced from debian automatically?
[01:59] <uniq> or is that just for universe-stuff?
[02:05] <Riddell> uniq: things that don't have -ubuntu in the version will
[02:05] <uniq> amarok have ubuntu in the version
[02:07] <uniq> I can make a package of 1.2.4..
[02:07] <Riddell> so it'll have to be done manually
[02:07] <uniq> but now.. sleep.
[02:07] <Riddell> please do
[02:07] <uniq> gnite.
[02:07] <Riddell> sleep tight
[02:15] <Riddell> I can't work out how to close a beastie in malone
[02:22] <KaiL> his WLAN greets :)
[02:56] <hunger> Everything installed fine... all keybindings are broken though.
[02:57] <hunger> No Function keys, arrows, nothing:-(
[02:57] <hunger> ksysguard no longer displays cpu freq.
[02:57] <hunger> Lots of apps are still missing (ok, I knew that before the upgrade).
[02:57] <hunger> The rest seems fine.
[02:59] <KaiL> can you use juk?
[02:59] <KaiL> or does it crash on start?
[02:59] <hunger> Not installed.
 ksysguard no longer displays cpu freq. << wfm
[03:00] <KaiL> what about artsd?
[03:01] <hunger> KaiL: juk crashes on start.
[03:02] <hunger> artsd crashes...
[03:02] <KaiL> and restarts and crashes and restarts and crashes... every 10sec or so ;:)
[03:02] <hunger> ... often ....
[03:03] <KaiL> I renamed the binary to get it to shut up at least :)
[03:06] <hunger> killall -9 knotify did the trick for me.
[03:06] <hunger> OK, basically kde 3.4.1 is unusable:-(
[03:07] <hunger> KaiL: So much for the bug fixing in that release;-)
[03:07] <KaiL> uhm, that's more gcc4
[03:07] <hunger> Of course this is probably a gcc 4 issue...
[03:07] <hunger> Good night...
[03:07] <KaiL> and the keys got killed by xorg, they where also missing before
[03:08] <KaiL> is media:/ back at work?
[03:08] <hunger> KaiL I had all my keys working on and of before.
[03:09] <KaiL> hmm
[03:09] <KaiL> what didn't you update before? :)
[03:09] <hunger> KaiL: No icon pops up for my usb stick.
[03:09] <KaiL> :(
[03:09] <KaiL> ...also not fixed...
[03:10] <KaiL> but afaik that's still not 3.4.1 final
[03:10] <KaiL> Riddell: or?
[03:10] <Riddell> what's the question?
[03:11] <KaiL> the packages in breezy are still not 3.4.1 final?
[03:11] <hunger> KaiL: the usb stick is not recognized at all.
[03:11] <Riddell> they are made with the final 3.4.1 sources
[03:11] <KaiL> uh :(
[03:11] <KaiL> so dbus not fixed...
[03:11] <Riddell> dbus was a quick backport I did from head, I'll need to take a closer look at that
[03:12] <Riddell> arts crashes may be due to it being compiled with visibility=hidden
[03:12] <KaiL> could you try without?
[03:12] <KaiL> it's a "bit" annoying
[03:12] <Riddell> yes but it's 2 in the morning and I'm about to go to sleep
[03:13] <KaiL> hunger: hmm, cdrom looks quite good
[03:13] <hunger> KaiL: media://cdrom works for me.
[03:13] <KaiL> ...or not...
[03:14] <Riddell> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ADMIN.diff  patch for arts if you want to compile it yourself
[03:14] <Riddell> apply then  `make -f admin/Makefile.common dist`
[03:14] <hunger> Good night... need some sleep.
[03:14] <Riddell> then `debuild`
[03:14] <Riddell> lets all sleep!
[03:15] <hunger> Wallets work again (for now).
[03:16] <Riddell> how pessimistic :)
[12:53] <zyga> hello
[12:55] <zyga> http://pastebin.com/291192
[12:56] <zyga> multiple packages contain one file
[12:56] <zyga> I thought someone might be interested
[01:06] <KaiL> knetworkconf updates some days ago to fix this
[01:18] <Riddell> zyga: yep, fix is in ubunut hoary-updates
[01:28] <zyga> Riddell: thanks
[01:29] <zyga> Riddell: just curious, why not in hoary? (I dodn't have hoary-updats in sources.list)
[01:30] <Riddell> zyga: because hoary is done and released, it doesn't change, hoary-updates has the updates
[01:30] <Riddell> and hoary-security makes you safe
[01:32] <zyga> Riddell: I see, did I miss some package that added hoary-updates to sources.list or should this be done manually?
[01:36] <uniq> zyga: the fix is in kubuntu hoary-updates
[01:37] <uniq> Some fixes: deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[01:39] <zyga> uniq: how is kubunutu.org repository different from ubuntu.com's?
[01:40] <uniq> ubuntu has a very strict policy for fixes to a released distribution.
[01:41] <uniq> kubuntu.org is just a "unofficial" workarounds repo.. (could use a more unofficial domainname though)..
[01:51] <Riddell> semi-official :)
[01:54] <elmo> uh
[01:54] <elmo> that's a deceptively official URL
[01:54] <elmo> and AFAIK kubuntu's update policy should match ubuntu's?
[04:26] <uniq> dinner.. bbl.
[07:05] <uniq> amu: are you using java on your ibook? - i can't find any useable JRE..
[08:13] <amu> uniq: no
[08:14] <KaiL_> amu: kdenetwork? :))
[08:15] <amu> KaiL_: <parse_error>
[08:17] <KaiL_> I asked Riddell about that package yesterday (as it's more or less the last not with gcc4), he said, you had locked the package...
[08:20] <uniq> amu: ok.. thanks anyway :)
[09:46] <uniq> riddell: a new knetworkconf with the much more clean diff is at http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/knetworkconf/ -> breezy.
[09:46] <uniq> amarok doesn't build even with the diffs from cvs.


[23:29] <hanen> hello nhandler !!
[23:29] <nhandler> Hello hanen
[23:30] <hanen> plz i have a question regarding ur email asking for using the new template format
[23:30] <hanen> concerning teamReports
[23:30] <nhandler> hanen: Sure thing, what is the question?
[23:31] <hanen> actually, for our case, our loco team (Ubuntu-tn) wiki pages are majorily referencing the old template with a different naming structure
[23:31] <hanen> i mean
[23:32] <hanen> this way https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/TeamReporting
[23:32] <nhandler> hanen: If that is the case, it shouldn't be too hard to split it up into multiple wiki pages for each month
[23:32] <hanen> and we need to reupdate everything so that it can reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/TeamReports from now on
[23:33] <hanen> means??
[23:34] <nhandler> hanen: What you would do is move all of the month reports from TunisianTeam/TeamReporting to their own page that follows the new reporting style. They will then automatically appear on the new TunisianTeam/TeamReports page (if you follow the HowTo)
[23:36] <hanen> nhandler but thats "hard coded"
[23:36] <hanen> i mean they're explicitly called in each page
[23:36] <nhandler> I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to do hanen
[23:37] <hanen> nhandler neither me :D
[23:37] <nhandler> hanen: The easiest thing to do would be to simply follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting/HowTo
[23:37] <hanen> nhandler actually, actually am just starting some new functionalities with our loco team
[23:37] <nhandler> You can just leave your old team reports alone
[23:38] <hanen> heard this RachedTN :D
[23:38] <hanen> yes sure sir nhandler :)
[23:38] <RachedTN> hmm, I am the ex-cordinator of ubuntu-tn-editoril and hanen is the actual coordinator, in fact : as I can see on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting/HowTo  , about 100 wki pages include links to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/TeamReporting  so updating links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/TeamReports  will be very long
[23:38] <hanen> and thanks for ur time :)
[23:39] <RachedTN> 's/ubuntu-tn-editoril/ubuntu-tn-editorial team/'
[23:39] <RachedTN> yeah hanen : i heard that :)
[23:40] <RachedTN> ok we will live our old team reports alone :'(
[23:41] <RachedTN> and follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting/HowTo
[23:41] <RachedTN> thanks  nhandler :)
[23:42] <nhandler> You are welcome RachedTN
[23:43] <nhandler> If you need any more help, just ask
[23:43] <RachedTN> thanks a lot and keep the good works guys :)
[23:43] <RachedTN> 's/works/work/'


[00:04] <penguin42> hmm libssl-dev:i386 won't install alongside libssl-dev
[01:04] <cjwatson> penguin42: I've been working on that - see Debian bug #689093
[01:09] <penguin42> cjwatson: Ah nice
[03:00] <micahg> infinity: what's blocking the build-dep on backports fix for backports now?
[03:03] <infinity> micahg: Me landing a fix.  Is there something in that situation again?
[03:04] <micahg> infinity: oh, Bug #1099003 if a backport is desired
[03:07] <infinity> micahg: Given vlc's sercurity history, would we really want it in backports anyway?
[03:07] <infinity> (Backporting things that may need frequent updates seems suboptimal)
[03:08] <micahg> infinity: well, since vlc in precise and quantal is the same version, it seems like something easy to approve with just the binaries tested (I'd try to get someone to commit to at least that)
[03:09] <micahg> (well, after I review the packaging diff for any weirdness)
[03:09] <infinity> micahg: Sure, the initial backport is simple (and not really much of a backport at all, per se), I just meant that it's likely it would need frequent updates.
[03:10] <micahg> infinity: well, if it's actually needed and someone commits to the testing, I don't mind pushing the buttons to make it happen to prevent someone from needing a PPA
[03:10] <infinity> Fair enough.  I'm not using the above as an argument for me to not fix the build-dep situation.
[03:11] <infinity> Unrelated things. :P
[03:11] <infinity> It just seems, in general, that backporting stuff with shoddy security histories ends up creating more work (cause, if you're being responsible about the whole affair, you have to keep re-backporting)
[03:12] <micahg> it's true, we discussed a slightly streamlined process for those at a previous UDS at the discretion of the backports team (where we're confident that not doing full testing won't break the world)
[03:12] <infinity> And, eventually, there will be a point where the backport's a bit of a pain to maintain, as Q, R, and S go out of maintenance, but we're still trying to backport to P.
[03:13] <infinity> Right now, it's obviously easy, just backport from quantal-security, done.
[03:13] <infinity> (And probably with 0 source changes, too)
[03:14] <micahg> infinity: right, as time goes on, this will get harder, if it comes to it, we can always just switch to a feature enablement backport if it gets too hard
[03:14] <infinity> Anyhow.  I'm hip-deep in glibc 2.17 right now, but remind me politely during the week about this, I have some other lp-buildd bugs I need to look at this week too.
[03:14] <infinity> And I tend to like to do them in batches.
[03:14] <micahg> infinity: sure, thanks
[03:15] <infinity> To save the pain of rolling out lp-buildd to a bazillion builders over and over.
[12:12] <infinity> tjaalton: Thanks for backporting my dkms fix to precise.  Next time, remember to fill our the SRU template for the bug too. :P
[12:13] <infinity> tjaalton: (I did it for you this time, cause I really wanted the fix after realising it was bloating /pool/ on our precise.2 CDs)
[13:09] <tjaalton> infinity: ah, indeed
[17:51] <tumbleweed> doko: grumble, your python3 porting of devscripts broke ubuntu-dev-tools
[17:52] <tumbleweed> (I suppose we should be using stdlib's logging module)
[17:59] <bdrung> tumbleweed: patches are welcome (if stdlib can produce the same output on the terminal)
[18:00] <bdrung> tumbleweed: or do you have other solutions?
[18:00] <bdrung> tumbleweed: adding python2 support back to devscripts would pull python 2 (which is probably unwanted)
[18:01] <bdrung> creating a separate library is too much for such a simple module
[18:01] <tumbleweed> we can get fairly similar output from logging, fairly easily
[18:03] <bdrung> define "fairly"
[18:04] <tumbleweed> I'll have a look, this evening
[18:04] <bdrung> back when i tried to use a logging module, i wasn't satisfied with the output format (and failed to configure it to my preference)
[18:09] <doko> tumbleweed, bdrung: yes, seen. I'll add a python2.7 module, but without depending on python2
[18:10] <doko> but feel free to convert ubuntu-dev-tools, where python-launchpadlib isn't needed
[18:10] <bdrung> doko: does someone port python-launchpadlib to python 3?
[18:21] <bdrung> doko: can you forward the python 3 changes for file to the debian bug report, please?
[18:46] <rsajdok> Any suggestion on this question? https://code.launchpad.net/~ris/loco-team-portal/fix-552762/+merge/142553/comments/308685
[18:53] <micahg> rsajdok: that has nothing to do with Ubuntu Development, you probably want #ubuntu-loco or the equivalent channel
[18:59] <rsajdok> micahg: this is problem in bzr merging
[19:00] <micahg> rsajdok: that's a support question then , see #ubuntu
[19:00] <micahg> or #bzr
[21:04] <cjwatson> bdrung: there've been multiple attempts to porting the launchpadlib stack (it's more than just python-launchpadlib) - so far, at best people have only got part-way before giving up.  I think barry was the last to try, and he ran into differing ideas about bytes/text in different parts of the stack
[21:05] <bdrung> thanks
[21:52] <MrWGW-> you know I think I'd be more interested in doing a Cinammon-based Ubuntu derivative, versus a MATE based system
[21:52] <MrWGW-> I'v
[21:52] <MrWGW-> I've been using Cinammon on Linux Mint, and IMO this system is a revelation; its clean, simple and elegant
[21:52] <MrWGW-> it feels to me like what Unity ought to have been in terms of representing a cleanup of GNOME 2
[21:52] <MrWGW-> however from my last conversation in here I gathered that while there would be acceptance of a MATE desktop environment for Ubuntu, a Cinammon environment might be somewhat more controversial
[21:53] <MrWGW-> but I'd love to see, and for that matter, implement, such a Cinammon system
[21:53] <MrWGW-> basically, Cinammon, but with the beautiful Ubuntu font and artwork, and also in a form small enough to fit on a single CD, like the classic Ubuntu releases of yore
[21:53] <MrWGW-> and perhaps with other concessions to modern Ubuntu design, like icons on the left side of the window decorator
[21:55] <MrWGW-> and there are packaging quality problems in Mint also which this could sidestep
[21:55] <MrWGW-> also as an added plus if a Cinammon based Ubuntu took off, it might give Clement more time to focus on refining Cinammon since he'd no longer have the need to maintain a full distro
[22:00] <bdrung> MrWGW-: I think it's the other way around. having cinnamon in the archive is uncontroversial (which is the case for raring), but having MATE is (because it bring many deprecated libraries back).
[22:02] <MrWGW-> note that the MATE devs including Clem are working on fixing that
[22:02] <MrWGW-> I suspect that MATE and Cinammon will eventually merge
[22:02] <MrWGW-> but yes indeed, GNOME 2 was a nightmare from an architectural standpoint
[22:02] <MrWGW-> and one reason why I feel inclined to do a Cinammon variant of Ubuntu more so than a MATE one
[22:03] <MrWGW-> is I really do not relish the thought of having to respond to unpleasant bug reports involving Bonobo and other GNOME 2 legacy crap
[22:04] <MrWGW-> what I suspect, and hope, will happen, over the next few years: Mate and Cinammon will merge, so Cinammon will just be a UI style for MATE, with the classic two panel look also being an availble style, and so on
[22:04] <MrWGW-> and then meanwhile, if we're really lucky, this combined Cinammon/Mate venture will displace GNOME 3
[22:04] <MrWGW-> and hopefully also at the very least some strong cooperation between Cinammon/Mate and Unity development could occur
[22:04] <MrWGW-> imagine if all three of these simply became user-selectable UI preferences
[22:05] <MrWGW-> note that I don't blame Ubuntu for going with Unity, although I neither care for or use it myself
[22:05] <MrWGW-> it was very popular on netbooks, and Ubuntu's hand was forced by GNOME 3 anyway
[22:06] <MrWGW-> although I think in the cold light of day, at some point, the core Ubuntu project is going to have to come to terms with the fact that Unity has been wildly unpopular with a large segment of previously loyal Ubuntu users for various reasons
[22:06] <MrWGW-> I personally am of the opinion that what works well on a tablet or a netbook does not neccessarily work well on a laptop or a desktop workstation
[22:06] <MrWGW-> consider Windows 8: on a tablet, I find it provides an amazing experience, from a pure UI standpoint, its even better than iOS, and its beats Android hands down
[22:07] <MrWGW-> but its utterly unusable on a conventional keyboard/mouse system; I haven't upgraded a single one of my Windows 7 boxes
[22:07] <MrWGW-> now when I look at Cinammon, I see a UI that implements fully the classical desktop paradigm that dates back to Windows 95
[22:07] <MrWGW-> it has a start menu in the bottom left, a clock in the bottom right, a taskbar,
[22:08] <MrWGW-> and yet its clean, modern in appearance and rather beautiful
[22:08] <MrWGW-> I think such a UI is what most users want
[22:08] <MrWGW-> and some people are using KDE, but KDE is as we all know its own can of worms
[22:08] <MrWGW-> its kind of slow, its kind of weird
[22:08] <MrWGW-> then there's LXDE, which is quite nice, quite modern but not as visually stunning as a more featureful system like Cinammon, or Unity for that matter
[22:09] <MrWGW-> now I haven't had a chance to play with Unity on a tablet or a TV, but I suspect on those interfaces, it will really shine
[22:09] <MrWGW-> and I really hope that an Ubuntu phone sees the light of day, this year
[22:09] <MrWGW-> if one goes on the market I'll buy it, in a heartbeat
[22:09] <Riddell> MrWGW-: can I suggest you stop your rant and don't call our software weird
[22:09] <MrWGW-> Riddell: Ubuntu isn't weird
[22:10] <MrWGW-> I was only referring to KDE
[22:10] <MrWGW-> what I'd like to do, if the interest exists, is do a Cinammon package for Ubuntu
[22:10] <Riddell> MrWGW-: hi.  I make Kubuntu.  Please stop calling my software weird.  Or go to slashdot if you want to do that sort of disrespectful attitude
[22:10] <MrWGW-> and maybe that can become a full desktop environment in the manner of Kubuntu or Lubuntu or Xubuntu
[22:11] <MrWGW-> Riddell: my apologies, no offense was intended
[22:11] <MrWGW-> I should add, I personally use and enjoy several obscure OSes which I would be the first to admit are weird, for example, Haiku and Plan9, for recreational purposes
[22:12] <MrWGW-> I was merely commenting on the benefits of cinammon and why it might be nice to have an official cinnamon flavor of Ubuntu
[22:13] <micahg> MrWGW-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[22:13] <MrWGW-> micahg: indeed
[22:13] <MrWGW-> I'm proposing to volunteer to maintain a cinnamon package for Ubuntu
[22:13] <MrWGW-> and if that becomes viable, then do a flavor based on it
[22:14] <MrWGW-> which could hopefully then become recognized if the quality was sufficient
[22:14] <micahg> MrWGW-: it's maintained in Debian ATM (that would be the best place to maintain the package), you can still do a flavor if you like though
[22:14] <MrWGW-> oh well heck, that's even better
[22:15] <MrWGW-> whereas MATE isn't in Debian, which creates more headaches
[22:16] <MrWGW-> so my development skills are as follows: I have strong general UNIX skills, reasonable Debian skills (most of my Linux boxes are either Ubuntu LTS or RHEL systems), some C skills, although I'm not a great C programmer, strong skills with Python and Ruby
[22:16] <MrWGW-> I haven't personally authored a .deb package so I don't know what's involved in that, but I'm sure I could pick that up quickly enough
[22:17] <MrWGW-> and I'm also very willing to field and respond to complaints from users and fix problems of that sort
[22:17] <MrWGW-> based on the above, do you think I would have what it would take to roll an Ubuntu flavor with Cinammon as the desktop environment?
[22:19] <infinity> Dear apt-cacher-ng.  Why have you decided that it's suddenly a problem for you that ports.ubuntu.com doesn't have x86?  No love, Me.
[22:20] <micahg> MrWGW-: sure, it's also not expected for one person to possess all the skills necessary to make a flavor work (in fact, if it's one person doing everything, you're probably doing something wrong)
[22:21] <stgraber> infinity: hmm, I thought you had a real mirror or a real proxy server, not some kind of incomplete implementation of the two ;)
[22:21] <infinity> stgraber: I had a real mirror until the disk backing it died.  Haven't gotten around to replacing it.
[22:22] <infinity> (Besides, apt-cacher on the laptop is still nice for travel)
[22:24] <micahg> MrWGW-: you might want to chat with the lubuntu folk (latest new official flavor) or ubuntu-gnome folk (flavor in progress)
[22:25] <micahg> s/new//
[22:26] <MrWGW-> micahg: I'll talk to both groups
[22:26] <MrWGW-> although I'd be afraid of hostility from the ubuntu-gnome people :/
[22:26] <micahg> MrW.GW-: there shouldn't be any..
[22:26] <MrWGW-> but yes I would need a few people onboard
[22:27] <MrWGW-> a friend of mine is also a sysadmin, and he's historically been a Fedora user, but he is disgruntled and has talked about doing a distro with me
[22:27] <MrWGW-> we talked about forking Fedora to remove systemd and have MATE be the default desktop
[22:27] <MrWGW-> but I'm thinking I should propose to him doing a Cinammon based Ubuntu instead
[22:27] <MrWGW-> since Ubuntu has upstart, which we both love, and there'd be less work involved
[22:27] <MrWGW-> since the core Ubuntu system is good, its much easier to put our preferred UI on it
[22:28] <MrWGW-> than it is to take an OS like Fedora, which actually as of 18 will include MATE, but which has internals we disagree with
[22:28] <MrWGW-> of course going the other way would be more glamrous, but its a lot more work
[22:28] <MrWGW-> and the quality of Ubuntu Server is really quite darn good
[22:29] <MrWGW-> as a long time Fedora/RHEL/CentOS guy (most of my RPM servers are running Scientific Linux), I have to say I now honestly prefer Ubuntu Server for most applications
[22:30] <MrWGW-> for these reasons, by the way, in case any of you care: Ubuntu Server now has similiar cli admin tools to the Red Hat stuff, i.e. the service command, Ubuntu Server allows you more choices in terms of filesystems, for example, you can install to a JFS root or an XFS root or whatever, you're not forced into an ext3 or 4 root
[22:30] <MrWGW-> and Ubuntu Server's more frequent release cycle vs. RedHat  and longer support vs. Fedora is a win
[22:30] <MrWGW-> the stability of each successive Ubuntu release tends to be greater than that of Fedora, so its just a nice platform
[22:31] <MrWGW-> also I've made good use in my lab of the built in UEC features
[22:31] <MrWGW-> in the lab I used to run a VMware system but I replaced it recently with UEC running on 10.04 LTS and its quite a bit nicer
[22:31] <MrWGW-> and I'm planning on upgrading that soon
[22:32] <MrWGW-> so basically, all that really has to happen here to create a killer desktop IMO would be an Ubuntu flavor using Cinammon, sized to fit on a single CD ROM image, providing an experience very similiar to that of the Ubuntu of yore
[22:32] <MrWGW-> ideally with the same artwork and theming as the equivalent Ubuntu Unity release
[22:32] <MrWGW-> basically my goal would be for it to look like the Unity release, except with the traditional taskbar at the bottom instead of the dock et cetra
[22:33] <MrWGW-> and I would propose branding this Ubuntu Classic Edition or Ubuntu Retro Edition, depending on your preferences
[22:33] <MrWGW-> if I were to do this, I'd aim to release for 13.10 (since its obviously too late for 13.04) and then if the quality were deemed acceptable, hopefully be in a position to be classifeid as an officially sanctioned flavor for 14.04
[22:39] <infinity> MrWGW-: You're not likely to get approval to call it "Ubuntu (anything)"
[22:40] <MrWGW-> so what about calling it cinbuntu?
[22:40] <MrWGW-> cinnabuntu
[22:40] <MrWGW-> hah
[22:40] <MrWGW-> like a cinnamon bun
[22:40] <MrWGW-> but there is Ubuntu Studio btw
[22:41] <infinity> Yes, there is.  Still saying you'd be fighting an uphill trademark battle.
[22:41] <infinity> Besides, cinnamon buns are tasty.
[22:41] <MrWGW-> indeed
[22:42] <MrWGW-> cinnabuntu works for me
[22:58] <astraljava> I'm not versed in legalese, but does it count that Studio is an official flavor?


[09:29] <diegorusso> Hello, my build script is having issues downloading cgroup-lite from launchpad. There are intermittent timeouts. The full command is: wget -t 10 -T 90 -nv --passive-ftp --no-check-certificate -P /tmp 'https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/cgroup-lite_1.11.tar.xz' --progress=dot -v
[09:30] <wgrant> diegorusso: How do the timeouts manifest?
[09:30] <wgrant> Have you tried from another network?
[09:32] <diegorusso> I had in two occasions: "Unable to establish SSL connection" straightaway, hence no timeout.
[09:33] <diegorusso> Yes, I'm trying from another network and it gets stuck on "Connecting to launchpad.net (launchpad.net)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:443... connected."
[09:35] <wgrant> diegorusso: Roughly what fraction of requests are you seeing fail? I don't see anything in our metrics or my own testing that shows any trouble.
[09:35] <diegorusso> ok, it has just failed with the same error "Unable to establish SSL connection."
[09:37] <wgrant> diegorusso: That's from a non-ARM network?
[09:37] <diegorusso> I would say 3 out of 10 are failing
[09:37] <diegorusso> wgrant: yes
[09:38] <diegorusso> I'm testing on a pi zero at home as well (virgin broadband)
[09:38] <wgrant> Hmm I just downloaded that file from two different European and one American host a total of 600 times with zero failures. Can you grab a tcpdump of a failed attempt?
[09:45] <diegorusso> let me see
[09:48] <diegor> I've joined with irssi and my real username :)
[09:52] <wgrant> diegor: Also interesting is whether https://launchpadlibrarian.net/244903887/cgroup-lite_1.11.tar.xz shows the same issue.
[10:00] <diegor> wgrant: yes, same problem on both arm and non-arm networks
[14:14] <diegor> wgrant: the problem seems gone now. If you don't hear anything from me, it means it's all good. Thanks for checking out earlier, we really appreciate it. Cheers
[20:21] <masterpiece> Is there any problem in sending email of pushing package via dput ?
[20:24] <masterpiece> ??
[20:26] <cjwatson> masterpiece: Not as far as I know.  What's the name of the package you tried to upload, or some other identifying feature so that I can look in our logs?
[20:29] <masterpiece> cjwatson, here it is : https://launchpad.net/~salehi/+archive/ubuntu/flex
[20:29] <masterpiece> I'm trying to upload new revision named : flex_2.6.0-11ubuntu2
[20:30] <cjwatson> masterpiece: Either you didn't sign your upload, or there's some other similar problem with the signature.
[20:30] <cjwatson> Maybe signed with a key not registered in Launchpad.
[20:31] <masterpiece> no, I uploaded last week!
[20:31] <masterpiece> Good signature on /home/s4/robocup/salehi/flex_2.6.0-11ubuntu2.dsc.
[20:32] <masterpiece> gpg: Signature made Sat 26 May 2018 12:47:11 AM +0430 using RSA key ID FC1175A1
[20:32] <cjwatson> masterpiece: Show us the output of "gpg --verify /home/s4/robocup/salehi/flex_2.6.0-11ubuntu2_source.changes"?  (Preferably on paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:32] <cjwatson> Not so interested in the signature on the .dsc for now
[20:33] <masterpiece> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qPthmzSmDr/
[20:33] <masterpiece> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YjPF5BbcWr/
[20:34] <cjwatson> Hmm.  It looks OK, but:
[20:34] <cjwatson> 2018-05-25 20:18:13 INFO        GPG verification of /srv/launchpad.net/ppa-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20180525-201748-026541/~salehi/flex/flex_2.6.0-11ubuntu2_source.changes failed: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 58, u'No data')", "(7, 58, u'No data')", "(7, 58, u'No data')"]
[20:34] <cjwatson> But other people's uploads are working
[20:34] <masterpiece> !!!!
[20:35] <masterpiece> What can I do ?!
[20:35] <cjwatson> Did you construct this upload manually in any way?
[20:35] <masterpiece> no, I used dput for upload a changes file constructed with debuild -S
[20:36] <cjwatson> So it's well after 9pm on a Friday for me.  It'd be best to file a ticket on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, and put the entire source package somewhere where we can inspect it and see if there's anything odd
[20:38] <masterpiece> Thank you cjwatson :)
[20:57] <wxl> part of me wonders if it isn't an issue with the GPG version
[20:58] <wxl> cuz the short ID in your verification suggests v1 masterpiece
[20:58] <wxl> however i know on launchpad we're at least showing long IDs
[20:58] <wxl> ..which suggests v2
[20:58] <wxl> of course that doesn't necessarily explain why it worked in recent time
[20:59] <cjwatson> Launchpad uses GnuPG v1.
[21:00] <wxl> ah, well, nevermind that. also: ew. :)
[21:00] <cjwatson> We make sure to show fingerprints, but that has nothing particular to do with the GPG version.
[21:00] <cjwatson> v2 is pretty hard to get to work in headless contexts (at least last time I tried).
[21:00] <cjwatson> It might be workable now we're on xenial.
[21:01] <wxl> oh wow i hadn't realized that. unfortunate.
[21:01] <cjwatson> It likes to start its own daemons and not clean them up.
[21:20] <masterpiece> cjwatson, wxl I found the reason
[21:20] <masterpiece> in the debian/changelog
[21:20] <masterpiece> I specified revision like this : flex (2.6.0-11bionic1) bionic; urgency=medium
[21:20] <masterpiece> if I raise bionic1 to bionic2 or bionic1ubuntu1
[21:21] <masterpiece> and the main part of version and revision remains as 2.6.0-11
[21:21] <masterpiece> It will be failed with that gpg signature error
[21:22] <masterpiece> I changed the debian/changelog to flex (2.6.0-12bionic1) bionic; urgency=medium
[21:22] <masterpiece>  and the package was uploaded a few minutes ago
[21:31] <masterpiece> I need to specify flex 2.6.0 as the dependency for a ppa build, How can I do this?
[21:42] <nacc> i wonder why you are downreving flex in bionic?
[21:42] <nacc> if you actually want it to be used, in you need something like 2.6.4-6+is+actually+2.6.0-11 in your changelog
[23:46] <masterpiece> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/669667
[23:46] <masterpiece> cjwatson, This error appears randomly ! I created the question here


[01:48] <Superbest> My server can ping eg. <IP_ADDRESS> but ping www.google.com doesn't work, can someone help me troubleshoot and fix it?
[03:51] <karstensrage> why was systemd so quickly adopted?
[03:53] <patdk-lap> cause debian odopted it
[03:53] <patdk-lap> and to not do what debian does, causes a lot of stress
[03:57] <karstensrage> was ubuntu happy about it?
[04:00] <patdk-lap> how should I know?
[07:06] <BLUG_Fred> hi! Having some mysql not starting problems on 16.04. Is this the right place?
[07:23] <ikonia> bilde2910: #ubuntu+1 is the pre-release channel disucssion
[09:39] <a7ndrew> Is installing Ubuntu Server 16.04 possible without a network connection?
[09:40] <ikonia> yes
[09:40] <ikonia> it's ships on a dvd and you can use other media, such as usb
[09:40] <ikonia> (once it's releaseD)
[09:40] <a7ndrew> awesome! I'm just doing something wrong then. I've downloaded the beta iso and copied it to USB and it isn't working for me.
[09:41] <a7ndrew> I get an error screen after it can't reach the mirror I choose.
[09:41] <ikonia> you won't be able to use the mirrors until you configure networking
[09:42] <a7ndrew> That's not a problem, I just can't seem to proceed with formatting disks and copying everything over.
[09:43] <ikonia> copying everything over ?
[09:43] <a7ndrew> I mean, copying the OS components from the installer to disk.
[09:44] <ikonia> installer to the disk ?
[09:44] <ikonia> it doesn't do that
[09:44] <ikonia> how are you booting, from an install DVD?
[09:44] <a7ndrew> from a USB key
[09:46] <a7ndrew> I used ubuntu-16.04-beta2-server-amd64.iso and then used the USB installer as documented here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[09:47] <ikonia> ok, so I suggest a.) use the #ubuntu+1 channel b.) be a bit more descriptive on what's failing, it's gone from "can't use the mirror" to "can't partition teh disk" to "can't copy the OS"
[09:49] <a7ndrew> The installer fails to proceed beyond the mirror selection screen.
[09:49] <ikonia> so thats totally different than what you just said
[09:49] <ikonia> which was you couldn't partition and it wouldn't copy the SO
[09:49] <ikonia> os
[09:50] <a7ndrew> Well I can't do those things because it seems teh installer pre-requires mirror configuration.
[10:46] <bekks> a7ndrew: "we cant do those things" is as unclear as "it doesnt do", "it doesnt work", "it fails" without any details.
[15:38] <patdk-lap> this is annoying
[15:38] <patdk-lap> 16.04 refuses to start openvpn :(
[15:39] <patdk-lap> well, that is kindof annoying
[15:46] <ratrace> refuses, eh? how dares it have an opinion!
[17:32] <GrandPa-G> Any suggestions on how to setup wifi password at command level without going through all the edits and commands that are normally described?
[18:21] <vbotka> GrandPa-G, wpa_cli is the client to wpa_supplicant
[18:33] <GrandPa-G> vbotka: thanks, what other options for type of password than psk? Is it in the manual?
[19:27] <vbotka> GrandPa-G, generic info is here https://w1.fi/
[19:40] <GrandPa-G> vbotka: that all help. I am really trying to set up a raspberry box headless with only a command level interface. Also, the box is going to
[19:41] <GrandPa-G> a novice user so all the editing needs to be eliminated. Basically we have the box working at one site, but moving it to another, so wifi password will change.
[20:42] <jvwjgames> Is there a way to print in real time to a terminal over Bluetooth to my server
[20:49] <jvwjgames> Is there?
[20:55] <ratrace> jvwjgames: print what?
[20:56] <jvwjgames> So say my arduino sends data such as earthquake 7.0 I want the console on my server to print it
[20:57] <jvwjgames> And then if console read data then execute GCM-sender.py
[20:57] <ratrace> sends data how?
[20:57] <jvwjgames> Over bluetooth
[20:57] <ratrace> that's carrier, but what's the protocol?
[20:57] <jvwjgames> 2.0
[20:57] <ratrace> ...
[20:58] <ratrace> jvwjgames: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
[20:58] <ratrace> Bluetooth is physical layer. I'm asking you what's the application protocol.
[20:58] <jvwjgames> Oh OK sorry
[20:59] <jvwjgames> Data layer
[20:59] <jvwjgames> Obviously
[20:59] <ratrace> what?
[21:00] <jvwjgames> I am sorry you are going to have to better explain
[21:00] <ratrace> not me, you are.  Custom JSON packet over HTTPS? zeromq packet? proprietary binary over raw tcp? taht kind of thing.
[21:01] <ratrace> then you define which service on your computer is picking up this data. is it logging? can you hook into syslog? etc...
[21:02] <jvwjgames> Oh OK I see now sorry
[21:02] <jvwjgames> Over http
[21:03] <ratrace> and which service is picking up the data?
[21:04] <jvwjgames> And then logged over to /var/log/earthquake/stations/UT-Kearns-1.log
[21:05] <ratrace> so there's a custom http application receiving the data, and logging to a file?
[21:05] <jvwjgames> Yes
[21:05] <ratrace> can you configure it to use syslog?
[21:05] <jvwjgames> Yes
[21:06] <ratrace> then that's how you do it.
[21:06] <jvwjgames> Is that better
[21:06] <jvwjgames> Ok
[21:06] <ratrace> configure sysloging for an unused facility number, and then configure syslog to log both to the file and console.
[21:06] <jvwjgames> Ok
[21:07] <jvwjgames> Is there a way that if the log file contains certain text that it will trigger a .py file
[21:08] <ratrace> I think so yes
[21:08] <ratrace> syslog-ng at least can.
[21:09] <jvwjgames> Ok thanks so much sorry to be a pain earlier I just couldn't think of what you meant IDK why.
[21:13] <ratrace> jvwjgames: although, the proper way to do it is to have that receiving application do those triggers
[21:14] <jvwjgames> Ok
[21:26] <GrandPa-G> do you really need the data to go to a console? or do you just want the data to go from a remote to the server printer? What is the function of the console?
[21:37] <GrandPa-G> I found my answer.
[21:38] <GrandPa-G> oops, didn't mean to send that


[01:21]  * nacc has better things to do on a Friday after FF
[01:21] <nacc> have a good weekend everyone!
[03:30] <Guy1524> hey guys, will ubuntu 17.04 have unity 7 or 8 by defauly
[03:30] <Guy1524> t
[07:23] <ducasse> morning all
[07:27] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[07:27] <ducasse> hey EriC^^ - up and running?
[07:28] <EriC^^> still in bed :)
[07:28] <EriC^^> yourself?
[07:28] <ducasse> struggling to wake up :)
[07:33] <ducasse> man, #ubuntu is weirdly similar to #ubuntu-offtopic this morning
[08:36] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:54] <lordievader> Good afternoon, BluesKaj
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader
[11:55] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> fine here lordievader, lost my conn for a few, how'are you doing?
[12:53] <lordievader> Doing good here. Just let the horse of my girlfriend into the whey.
[12:53] <lordievader> Still a daunting task for a newby.