[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-data-server-dbgsym               2.26.0-0ubuntu1                   debug symbols for package evolution-data-ser
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-dbgsym                           2.26.0-0ubuntu2                   debug symbols for package evolution
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-exchange-dbgsym                  2.26.0-0ubuntu2                   debug symbols for package evolution-exchange
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-indicator-dbgsym                 0.1.11-0ubuntu1                   debug symbols for package evolution-indicato
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-plugins-dbgsym                   2.26.0-0ubuntu2                   debug symbols for package evolution-plugins
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-plugins-experimental-dbgsym      2.26.0-0ubuntu2                   debug symbols for package evolution-plugins-
[16:40] <mbeierl> ii  evolution-webcal-dbgsym                    2.26.0-0ubuntu1                   debug symbols for package evolution-webcal
[16:40] <mbeierl> sorry for the spam
[16:40] <hggdh> mbeierl, best to pastebin ;-)
[16:40] <hggdh> !pastebin
[16:40] <mbeierl> ok, next time I will :)
[16:41] <mbeierl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147041/
[16:41] <hggdh> did you also install the dbgsyms for the libraries (of which there is legion)
[16:41] <mbeierl> (just checking it out)
[16:41] <mbeierl> no
[16:41] <mbeierl> the only dgbsyms are what you see
[16:41] <mbeierl> ok, so probably camel and others
[16:41] <hggdh> ok, we will need them
[16:41] <hggdh> yes
[16:41] <mbeierl> do you know which, or how do I start?
[16:42] <hggdh> open synaptic, and search on evolution -- then install all dbgsyms (for which you have evo components installed) that match the version
[16:42] <mysticdarkhack> anyone know if there will be anymore nautilus update
[16:42] <mbeierl> (I've only got 1.8g left in /, so I don't want to load *every* dbgsym is possible)
[16:42] <mbeierl> ah!
[16:43] <hggdh> mysticdarkhack, nautilus-actions has just been updated
[16:43] <mbeierl> hggdh: what's the difference between evolution-exchange-dbg and evolution-exchange-dbgsym?
[16:43] <mysticdarkhack> hggdh, tx for the info
[16:44] <Ienorand> Hmm, okay... I must say that the percentage thresholds defaults are definitely set too low...
[16:44] <hggdh> mbeierl, both are debug symbols; the dbg are generated by the build process (and, for the most part, are left-overs from Debian); the dbgsyms are build by Ubuntu. Either or, but not both
[16:44] <mbeierl> ok, I've stuck with dbgsym
[16:44] <mysticdarkhack> i'm glad adobe made 64 bit flash and looking for to in in kk
[16:45] <hggdh> usually you will have one .dbg per source package (for all binary packages) and one dbgsym per binary package
[16:48] <mysticdarkhack> is it possible ubuntu will update gtk-engine-murrine to 0.90.3?
[16:49] <mysticdarkhack> I tried compile the engine but it need gtk+-2.12
[16:52] <hggdh> mysticdarkhack, I am not sure it will happen for Jaunty -- too late in the cycle...
[16:53] <hggdh> mbeierl, it would be a good idea to also install libglib2.0-0 dbgsym
[16:53] <mbeierl> hggdh: updates want reboot (not dbgsym related) but I just want to make sure I'm fully up to date with the latest
[16:53] <mbeierl> ok
[16:54] <charlie-tca> mysticdarkhack: already done, see bug 355249
[16:54] <mbeierl> hggdh: Failed to fetch http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/glib2.0/libglib2.0-0-dbgsym_2.20.0-1build1_amd64.ddeb 404 Not Found
[16:55] <hggdh> mbeierl, ah well. no problem
[16:55] <mbeierl> hggdh: ok, will reboot and be right back then
[16:55] <hggdh> k
[16:56] <hyper_ch> why is pulseaudio such a big fail
[17:01] <mysticdarkhack> pluseaudio is getting some what a bit better
[17:02] <hyper_ch> pulseaudio makes kubuntu totally unusable because no sound in flash firefox and no sound in vlc
[17:03] <Ienorand> hyper_ch: Has been reported, I think...
[17:03] <hyper_ch> Ienorand: I know.. but I still need to rant about it :)
[17:04] <Ienorand> hyper_ch: What does  asoundconf set-pulseaudio  do about it? source: http://www.mibbit.com/url/YbR8Ym
[17:06] <hyper_ch> Ienorand: well, I had it running on sunday... and today it won't...
[17:06] <hyper_ch> (after kernel upgrade)
[17:07] <mysticdarkhack> hyper_ch, are you using 64 bit?
[17:07] <hyper_ch> mysticdarkhack: of course :)
[17:07] <hyper_ch> Ienorand: seems that asoundconf set-pulseaudio fixes it (for the moment)
[17:08] <mysticdarkhack> hyper_ch, adobe has release a 64 bit flashplugin and work well.
[17:08] <hyper_ch> mysticdarkhack: that's what I've been using since 8.10
[17:08] <mysticdarkhack> hyper_ch, where did u get ur source?
[17:08] <hyper_ch> but for some reasons that all wants to go through pulseaudio
[17:09] <hyper_ch> mysticdarkhack: source for?
[17:09] <mysticdarkhack> hyper_ch, flashplugin
[17:10] <hyper_ch> mysticdarkhack: from adobe
[17:10] <hyper_ch> wel, they don't provide the source, just the binary plugin
[17:11] <mysticdarkhack> I think you should use deb package from packages.debian.org
[17:11] <hyper_ch> mixing debian packages with ubuntu? you're not serious, are you?
[17:11] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[17:11] <mysticdarkhack> at least it work
[17:11] <hyper_ch> flashplugin from adobe works fine
[17:12] <hyper_ch> it's pulseaudio that f*** everything up
[17:13] <mysticdarkhack> see if this will help: https://launchpad.net/~gstreamer-developers/+archive/ppa
[17:13] <hyper_ch> I've already added custom PA PPA repos
[17:13] <bjsnider> hyper_ch, the flash plugin for 64-bit uses pulseaudio directly. if youhave a  pulseaudio problem, troubleshoot that.
[17:13] <hyper_ch> as differnet bug reports suggest
[17:13] <hyper_ch> bjsnider: that's what I was saying the whole time
[17:13] <mysticdarkhack> seem pulseaudio work fine here
[17:14] <hyper_ch> [18:02] <hyper_ch> pulseaudio makes kubuntu totally unusable because no sound in flash firefox and no sound in vlc
[17:14] <bjsnider> yes but pulse is not installed by default in kubuntu
[17:14] <mysticdarkhack> in vlc, do you have pulse plugin
[17:15] <hyper_ch> bjsnider: pulse got installed by firefox
[17:15] <hyper_ch> as dependency... or something else
[17:15] <bjsnider> dtchen willknow about this
[17:15] <bjsnider> he's not around at the present time
[17:17] <mbeierl> hggdh: ok back now
[17:17] <mbeierl> next step?
[17:17] <hggdh> mbeierl, now... do you get the crash on startup?
[17:17] <mbeierl> pretty close to it
[17:17] <mbeierl> it connects then after downloading a few messages it crashes
[17:18] <mphill> pulseaudio seems to me to be a complete disaster.
[17:18] <hggdh> mbeierl, ok. let's try the simple way first
[17:18] <mbeierl> ok
[17:18] <hggdh> mbeierl, on a terminal run 'evolution --force-shutdown'
[17:18] <wamty> Hi could someone tell me a good package that will run on ubuntu to recover data following a harddrive format. I have wine running but am unable to run any windows applications as the wine system uses virtualdrives and so does not have access to the physically drives that are mounted.
[17:18] <hggdh> this will close all evo-related programmes
[17:19] <wamty> im using ubuntu 9.04 distro
[17:19] <mbeierl> yep... use that far too often :)
[17:19] <hggdh> heh :-)
[17:19] <mbeierl> sorry, done!
[17:19] <hggdh> mbeierl, now -- still on a terminal -- run 'gdb evolution'
[17:19] <hggdh> this will put you under the debugger
[17:19] <mbeierl> yep, ok
[17:20] <wamty> anyone?
[17:20] <hggdh> mbeierl, when you get the gdb prompt, type in 'r' (for run)
[17:20] <mbeierl> running...
[17:20] <mbeierl> already done :)
[17:20] <hggdh> now we wait for the crash...
[17:20] <mbeierl> it's evo exchange that crashes
[17:21] <mbeierl> Ok I now have the infamous "Error while Refreshing folder" message
[17:21] <hggdh> mbeierl, this is why I said 'try the simple way first'...
[17:21] <mbeierl> evolution-exchange-storage process is gone :)
[17:21] <mbeierl> but evo is alive and welll :)
[17:21] <hggdh> and no crashes...
[17:22] <mbeierl> no .crash, no apport
[17:22] <hggdh> sigh
[17:22] <hggdh> mbeierl, OK. CTRL-C on the gdb
[17:22] <mbeierl> yep
[17:22] <mbeierl> exit/quit?
[17:22] <hggdh> this will put you back on the gdb prompt; there type in 'q' (for quit)
[17:23] <hggdh> YES
[17:23] <hggdh> sorry for the shout
[17:23] <mbeierl> np
[17:23] <mbeierl> done
[17:23] <mbeierl> my next step was to run evo-exch from gdb
[17:23] <mbeierl> but I didn't even get a core/.crash then ?!?
[17:23] <mbeierl> is that what we're going to try next?
[17:26] <hggdh> mbeierl, this is what we will need to do
[17:26] <mbeierl> ok
[17:26] <hggdh> I was trying to find *where* e-e would be, but I still have to install it...
[17:27] <mbeierl>  /usr/lib/evolution/2.26/evolution-exchange-storage ?
[17:27] <mbeierl> that one?
[17:27] <hggdh> yes
[17:27] <mbeierl> this is what normally runs /usr/lib/evolution/2.26/evolution-exchange-storage --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Exchange_Component_Factory:2.26 --oaf-ior-fd=35
[17:27] <hggdh> gdb /usr/lib/evolution/2.26/evolution-exchange-storage
[17:27] <mbeierl> ok
[17:28] <hggdh> BUT
[17:28] <mbeierl> oh...
[17:28] <hggdh> before 'evolution --force-shutdown'
[17:28] <mbeierl> ok
[17:28] <mbeierl> Evolution Exchange Storage up and running
[17:28] <mbeierl> under gdb
[17:28] <mbeierl> start evo now?
[17:31] <hggdh> yes
[17:31] <hggdh> normal start, no gdb
[17:31] <mbeierl> ran it under gdb just for giggles...
[17:31] <mbeierl> running...
[17:31] <hggdh> mbeierl, I will have to afk for a bit
[17:31] <mbeierl> afk?
[17:32] <mbeierl> \!pastebin
[17:32] <mbeierl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147074/
[17:35] <hggdh> afk -- away from keyboard ;-)
[17:35] <hggdh> good trace
[17:35] <oliver_g_1> hi
[17:36] <mbeierl> hggdh: did not say it was dumping core yet
[17:36] <oliver_g_1> what's the best way to report or fix bad translations in Jaunty? like spelling mistakes etc.?
[17:36] <mbeierl> I /think/ I still have a bug open for this on launchpad
[17:36] <hggdh> mbeierl, please (on the gdb session) type 't a a bt full'
[17:36] <hggdh> mbeierl, what's the bug #?
[17:36] <mbeierl> just a moment...
[17:37] <hggdh> it got a SIGABRT -- apport does not trigger on abort
[17:37] <mbeierl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-exchange/+bug/353187
[17:38] <mbeierl> Looks like someone beat me to the stack trace :)(
[17:40] <hggdh> heh
[17:40] <mbeierl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/147080/
[17:40] <mbeierl> is my bt...
[17:41] <hggdh> mbeierl, I will check upstream on this, and get back (updating the bug) soon
[17:41] <mbeierl> ok, thanks!
[17:41] <hggdh> mbeierl, now I *have* to get AFK
[17:41] <hggdh> be back soon(ish)
[17:41] <mbeierl> hggdh: thanks so much! ciao for now!
[17:42] <hggdh> ciao
[17:42] <cjae> Hi, how to you use aptitude to display what is going to be updated without updating?
[17:43] <mbeierl> cjae: maybe aptitiude -s  (Simulate actions, but do not actually perform them.) is what you want?
[17:49] <cjae> mbeierl: you know how synaptic or what ever software manager tells you, "you have updates" and then you can see what they are before you update? how do you do this with aptitude?
[17:50] <mbeierl> there's the update notifier, and I just found out a few days ago, in jaunty it has changed so that by default it does not automatically display the icon with the updates until they are like 1 week old
[17:50] <mbeierl> so if you want the old behaviour back...
[17:50] <mbeierl> it's gconf... just a sec...
[17:51] <mbeierl> gconf-editor /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch
[17:52] <cjae> mbeierl: sorry I dont see what this has to do with aptitude
[17:52] <mbeierl> cjae: toggle what's currently there
[17:52] <mbeierl> oh
[17:52] <mbeierl> I thought you wanted the update notifier thing back
[17:53] <oliver_g_1> cjae: if you just press "g" in the main screen, you get a list of packages that will be upgraded (if you press g again these upgrades will be actually installed)
[17:53] <mbeierl> last time I was in this conversation it turned out that was what we *really* wanted :)
[17:53] <mbeierl> (we being me+someone else)
[17:53] <oliver_g_1> mbeierl: so what's the way to get update-notifier back?
[17:54] <mbeierl> gconf-editor
[17:54] <mbeierl> and clear auto_launch
[17:54] <oliver_g_1> ah i see now
[17:54] <cjae> oliver_g_1: what do you mean the main screen?
[17:55] <oliver_g_1> cjae: the screen you get when you started aptitude
[17:55] <mbeierl> or you can change the regular_auto_launch_interval ... if 7 days is too long but you don't want it every day
[17:55] <cjae> sorry never tried the ncurses type:P
[17:55] <oliver_g_1> oh...
[17:55] <oliver_g_1> I never tried the non-ncurses view :-)
[17:56] <cjae> always just substituded it for apt-get
[17:56] <cjae> *substituted?
[17:57] <cjae> um
[17:59] <cjae> does quassel not have spell check and ring the system bell?
[18:01] <cjae> oliver_g_1: um pressing g does not tell me anything except to press U
[18:02] <oliver_g_1> cjae: yes... I think you have to mark at least one package for upgrading so that the g view shows anything
[18:03] <oliver_g_1> (in my local aptitude, I usually have some packages set to "hold" which also makes the g key work)
[18:03] <oliver_g_1> (it's non-optimal usability IMHO :)
[18:03] <cjae> double clicking the packages works to tell what they are
[18:07] <cjae> oliver_g_1: ok I works differently when I do it the proper way with sudo aptitude :P
[18:07] <cjae> -I +it
[18:07] <oliver_g_1> heh
[18:07] <robin0800> Is there anywere the theme configuration file is shown     like what can be included or should be included etc?
[18:07] <oliver_g_1> yes, otherwise you only get the readonly mode
[18:08] <tomsdale> All my gtk+ apps (eclipse/firefox ...) on kubuntu look really horrible. There is the option of theming the gtk apps but I think I might have messed up this configuration because no change in appearance no matter which option
[18:08] <cjae> oliver_g_1: aptitude is much better thank you
[18:13] <cjae> oliver_g_1: so using sudo aptitude would be for handling installing updates but not packages right? Installing separate packages would be done by the command line eg. sudo aptitude install whatever
[18:14] <oliver_g_1> cjae: no, in the main window you can also browse through the not-installed packages and mark them for installation
[18:14] <oliver_g_1> with "+" key the package is marked for install, with "-" key marked for removal
[18:14] <wilhart> damn
[18:15] <wilhart> janty doesnt start gparted ?
[18:15] <wilhart> partition manager
[18:15] <cjae> oliver_g_1: ahh I see
[18:15] <oliver_g_1> with "_" marked for purging (ie. remove package and also remove config files)
[18:15] <wilhart> can't go next and previous
[18:15] <oliver_g_1> and the g view then shows a summary of all those actions
[18:15] <cjae> oliver_g_1: ok
[18:16] <wilhart> so that means i can't install it!
[18:16] <wilhart> gnn
[18:16] <cjae> wilhart: can't use the live disk?
[18:17] <wilhart> cjae: hmm and from there install it?
[18:17] <wilhart> so i choose to boot to desktop not install ?
[18:18] <cjae> wilhart: yes
[18:18] <wilhart> oh.
[18:18] <wilhart> ok
[18:18] <wilhart> i'll try that now
[18:18] <cjae> there is a iso image on the net
[18:18] <wilhart> i have it!
[18:19] <cjae> oliver_g_1: can I safetly, knowing what a root account can do, enable the root account without having my system go crazy
[18:20] <wilhart> cjae: i can install linux from windows?
[18:20] <cjae> yes
[18:21] <wilhart> ok cool
[18:21] <cjae> actually can you elaborate that
[18:21] <cjae> you mean in windows
[18:21] <wilhart> tnx
[18:22] <cjae> ??
[18:23] <cjae> actually what I am asking is if I enable a root account, will its pasword replace all sudo and gksudo and kdesudo prompts or how does that work?
[18:24] <pwnguin> sudo should still ask for your pwd
[18:24] <oliver_g_1> cjae: I don't know; but personally I use sudo -s to get a root shell and it feels just like Debian :-)
[18:24] <oliver_g_1> (except I need to remember one password less :)
[18:24] <pwnguin> cjae: check out /etc/pam.d/sudo
[18:25] <cjae> oliver_g_1: hey that works
[18:25] <oliver_g_1> :-D
[18:27] <cjae> I have reas a lot about enabling root in ubuntu, but never came across that, was worried that would mess up user permissions
[18:28] <BUGabundo> cjae: MAN $ man visudo
[18:32] <alex_mayorga> how impossible would it be to get http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-bluetooth/2.27/ in Jaunty?
[18:33] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: what exactly does it do that isn't in jaunty?
[18:34] <pwnguin> alex_mayorga: you're crazy. replacing a key bluetooth component with insufficient time to test before release?
[18:34] <alex_mayorga> http://www.hadess.net/2009/03/our-new-volume-feature.html
[18:34] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, it's not like the current version works any stable or such
[18:35] <alex_mayorga> but what I know, been in 3 releases now with subpar bluetooth
[18:35] <pwnguin> i assume you have a pet bluetooth bug?
[18:35] <BUGabundo> please remind me!!! where are kernel .29 images?
[18:36] <pwnguin> (one that isn't a low level firmware bug we've already discussed?)
[18:36] <BUGabundo> apw: ping please remind me!!! where are kernel .29 images?
[18:36] <maxb> mainline? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[18:37] <maxb> Or karmic?
[18:37] <BUGabundo> maxb: thanks
[18:37] <BUGabundo> .29
[18:37] <apw> yep there
[18:37] <BUGabundo> for testing
[18:38] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, I just want my a2dp headphones to work :)
[18:38] <alex_mayorga> but yeah, most of my activity is on bluetooth buggers
[18:39] <BUGabundo> apw something about fixing acpi on an asus
[18:39] <pwnguin> i seem to be confusing you with another bug reporter who was angry at cwiid for not supporting his bluetooth devices
[18:39] <pwnguin> anyways
[18:40] <lilac> does the .29 kernel fix the x issues with the .28 kernel?
[18:40] <pwnguin> given that the gnome-bluetooth fork was only revived more than a month ago, your best bet is to push for inlcusion in karmic
[18:40] <pwnguin> well, i gotta head to work
[18:41] <alex_mayorga> pwnguin, fair enough from what I've learned fedora seems to be more cutting edge in the bluetooth side, right?
[18:42] <BUGabundo> lilac: you mean tehe ones with intel? no
[18:42] <lilac> BUGabundo: i mean the ones with Radeon, actually :)
[18:44] <BUGabundo> lilac: then NO too
[18:44] <Blue-Winston> question - is 9.04 going to have effects enabled by default? in 8.10 this messed up my screen yet in 8.04 it didn't even with only the open/free ati driver installed in both cases
[18:51] <cjae> anyone notice how much blue there is under K -> Applications -> Internet?
[18:53] <mib_orp59ywa> hi, in the Synaptic Package manager i seen a package that makes the amilo 1718 buttons work (Wifi,Mail etc) but i just updated to give a help in hand, and have lost it, would this be due to it being in a different source ?
[18:57] <mib_orp59ywa> is there anyone here ??
[18:58] <Rubel> I'm here, but don't get excited.
[18:58] <nemo> mib_orp59ywa: hang out.
[18:59] <nemo> personally I have no clue, so I was staying quiet
[18:59] <mib_orp59ywa> is there anyone here ??
[19:00] <Rubel> No one here but us bots.
[19:00]  * Ienorand is having zeroes for lunch today
[19:00] <mib_orp59ywa> nemo: hand out were ?
[19:01] <mib_orp59ywa> hang*
[19:02] <Rubel> !ask
[19:02] <Rubel> Whoops, that wasn't useful.
[19:02] <mib_orp59ywa> does anyone have a amilo 1718 laptop ?
[19:04] <mib_orp59ywa> what about a Atheros wireless card
[19:05] <cetanhota> quick question whats the url so I can upgrade my test system from 8.10 to 9.04?
[19:06] <mib_orp59ywa> cetanhota: you mean the "update-manager -d"
[19:07] <cetanhota> mib_orp59ywa: Thank you.
[19:09] <mib_orp59ywa> !ask my wifi has a switch to turn on but needs a program to run how can i turn it on in ubuntu 9.04 ?
[19:09] <cjae> anyone know what to install for firefox plugin under kubuntu 9.04? one that works, I see totem is the most fuctional, mplayer is supposed to be but is not, and kaffeine was not much good either
[19:09] <DocTomoe> OK, now pulseaudio is seriously driving me insane. Kubuntu jaunty, KDE sonud wirks nicely, VLC sound does not, I tried to install/run pulseaudio, but to no avail.
[19:10] <DocTomoe> Anything that can be done to get vlc audio output back?
[19:11] <Rubel> It's weird. I can't seem to install Jaunty Beta on my Ubuntu Server machine. Worked fine on my workstation. "do-release-upgrade" doesn't find anything to upgrade to, even thought I have Prompt=normal.
[19:13] <mib_orp59ywa> hate to beak it to you guys and girls but i dont think your going to get alot of help at the moment
[19:13] <mib_orp59ywa> seems most are giving us the silent treatment
[19:13] <crdlb> Rubel: don't you need to do anything to tell it to upgrade to a non-released version?
[19:13] <crdlb> like the -d you add to update-manager
[19:14] <Ienorand> Rubel: apt-get dist-upgrade -d
[19:15] <mib_orp59ywa> yay someone getting help atleast :) , can anyone lead me the way to get my wireless to work (Atheros)
[19:15] <Rubel> Ah, an alternate route. Thanks, I'll try that :)
[19:15] <lilac> mib_orp59ywa: i suspect most people in here are looking for help rather than looking to provide it ;-)
[19:15] <DocTomoe> mib_orp59ywa: what seems to be the problem?
[19:16] <mib_orp59ywa> lilac: cant blame them, ubuntu is complicated to the new ones (im one of them :D)
[19:16] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: my wireless card has been picked up but its not active and wont scan, going into the terminal dont do nout
[19:17] <DocTomoe> mib_orp59ywa: it does appear in dmesg?
[19:17] <IntuitiveNipple> do-release-upgrade --devel-release (also known as -d)
[19:17] <crdlb> hmm, consistent :)
[19:18] <IntuitiveNipple> If it's the RF kill switch, you ought to be able to control it from the /sys/... file-system nodes, depending on which model and driver is in use.
[19:19] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: yep, says "Atheros AR2425 chip found"
[19:19] <DocTomoe> mib_orp59ywa: I suppose you've already installed madwifi?
[19:20] <Rubel> Thank  you, iNipple. That was what I was looking for. Dunno why I didn't see that last time, or notice it in the script. I appreciate your help!
[19:20] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: nope, i followed tutorials and no luck on that, as soon as the kernel update for 8.10 my wireless stopped working but going to 9.04 helped
[19:20] <IntuitiveNipple> This will show any/all RF kill devices: ls -l  /sys/class/rfkill/
[19:20] <Geboy> i intend to upgrade to jaunty from 8.10. but it creeps me out seeing the chan notification "Jaunty may break your system" what is it?
[19:21] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: were does it say that ?
[19:21] <Pici> Geboy: Jaunty is currently beta.
[19:21] <DocTomoe> mib_orp59ywa: what does lsmod | grep ath return?
[19:21] <Geboy> this chan topic..
[19:21] <DocTomoe> Geboy:  Jaunty is beta. beta breaks stuff. proceed at your own risk, or wait until 04-23
[19:21] <Pici> Geboy: Beta software may be untested and could your install has to potential to break
[19:21] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/WTjUZQ
[19:22] <DocTomoe> Geboy: just an example: vlc audio stopped working. (my current problem)
[19:22] <crdlb> mib_orp59ywa: try installing linux-backports-modules-jaunty
[19:22] <Geboy> but will it break hardwares as well?
[19:22] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: i tried it and seems fine, but as DocTomoe stated own risk
[19:23] <Pici> Geboy: It shouldn't, but its not unheard of.
[19:23] <DocTomoe> Geboy: no, hardware should be unaffected. in most cases.
[19:23] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: trying now
[19:23] <Geboy> what will be the improvement in jaunty?
[19:23] <mbeierl> Geboy: the only real way of breaking hardware through the keyboard is by spilling coffee on it :)  It shouldn't
[19:23] <Geboy> mbeirl: ROFL on that
[19:23] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: i think most of it is down under,
[19:24] <SimoneB> Hi. I recently upgraded to jaunty and it seems to forget the wireless network password of every wireless network every time i shut down the pc. is this a known bug? is there a solution?
[19:24] <edgy> Hi sirs, my BCM4312 stops workng today
[19:24] <mbeierl> Geboy: but there are many things that are in flux and can "scare" newbies like yesterday (or day before) updates stopped working due to a typo in the hotkey-setup package
[19:24] <Ienorand> Geboy: Shouldn't be no physical breakage, only software, and mental....
[19:25] <Geboy> ic...
[19:25] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: also when i did it, i could login in, because the keyboard and mouse would not work
[19:25] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: but seems great now
[19:26] <mbeierl> Geboy: ext4 is now available in jaunty as an installation option.  It's the next generation of the standard linux filesystem, with reported significant speed improvements, but very rarely reports of it corrupting data if the system crashes
[19:26] <mattgriffin> my jaunty beta install has the Firefox default home page set to www.mozilla.org. anyone else experiencing this? want to know before i open a bug.
[19:26] <Geboy> mbeierl: i don't know if its off any use on me
[19:27] <Geboy> mbeierl: since i use ubuntu for my 2nd os
[19:27] <DocTomoe> mattgriffin: negative at my systems.
[19:27] <mbeierl> Geboy: if you're new, its always better to stick to official releases :)
[19:27] <Geboy> most of my partition is still in ntfs
[19:27] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: well you could always make a partition and try that, but if new, dont, i found out the hard way :D
[19:27] <DocTomoe> Geboy: most notably for Users is the improved startup time. At my systems, its around 30% off.
[19:27] <Geboy> mib_orp59ywa: ouch...did u lost ur datas?
[19:28] <DocTomoe> seriously, is this that lolcat bot again?
[19:28] <Geboy> DocTomoe: ic...i also read about the notification? is it a good improvement?
[19:29] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: oh nahhh, i did that while trying to install 8.10 :D lool..lost all 500+ photos i took, games, website for clients, set me back 5 months of Photoshop, but i hate windows, and think a system that is "MINE" is better than anything
[19:29] <mbeierl> DocTomoe: I agree that startup time is significantly improved :)
[19:29] <Ienorand> Geboy: You can always run the livecds, or install to a usb disk, that is generally a good way to test if there are major issues before installing it on the harddrive.
[19:29] <mbeierl> hee hee... it's called having backups :)
[19:29] <Geboy> wait wait, mib_orp59ywa, u used photoshop in ubuntu???
[19:29] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: now im just fighting to get wifi to work , cause i don't really like siting at a desk
[19:29] <Geboy> HOW????
[19:30] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: no, i used it in windows, but you could try wine
[19:30] <mib_orp59ywa> i tried it, bit buggy (i think)
[19:30] <Geboy> wine can't run CS4
[19:30]  * DocTomoe tried photoshop a while ago and wasn't too astonished.
[19:31] <SimoneB> does it happen just to me that jaunty forgets my wireless network password at every reboot?
[19:31] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: well, why not try GIMP, yeh i no a pain in the rear but it does good things
[19:31] <mib_orp59ywa> SimoneB: is there a setting to say "Remember"
[19:31] <SimoneB> mib_orp59ywa: where?
[19:32] <Geboy> i haven't tried gimp yet, i barely know what to do in ubuntu post installation and updating packages, coz its all like new
[19:32] <mib_orp59ywa> SimoneB: i dont no, i asked u lol..i am currently have problems to eve search for networks
[19:32] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: what was u before, (was u a window :D lool)
[19:33] <Geboy> i only tried the magnificent eye candy of ubuntu, yet. yes, i know, its a waste of resource if i only use ubuntu that way
[19:33] <carl0s-> phwoar! evolution is using 1.6GBs of memory. I only have 12,772 items in the folder ..
[19:33] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: trying now
[19:33] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: trying now
[19:33] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: i did the installation but, do i need to restart
[19:33] <DocTomoe> carl0s-: you might have wanted to add *huge* sarcasm indicators on this one...
[19:33] <crdlb> mib_orp59ywa: yes
[19:33] <carl0s-> :-)
[19:33] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: that was one of the reasion i joined :P
[19:34] <mattgriffin> DocTomoe: thanks
[19:34] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: wow, just noticed :P << looks special :D
[19:34] <mib_orp59ywa> crdlb: okkie, brb
[19:34] <Geboy> lol
[19:34] <mib_orp59ywa> and thanks
[19:34] <carl0s-> DocTomoe: There is a problem though. The evolution mapi-plugin needs to work ummm bit-by-bit, serially or something, rather than building up a list of the *whole* lot of headers for the folder. It's taken about 35 minutes for it to finish "Fetching summary information"
[19:35] <mib_orp59ywa> i have a quick to ask, why is it recommended to "restart" and not "shut down" and boot up ?
[19:35] <carl0s-> it obviously fetches the headers for the whole folder and builds into into an array in memory, or something programmy like that anyway. Could do better, but it's nice to have MAPI all the same.
[19:35] <Geboy> so the official release will be 04-23? i should wait then. I'm sorry i can't helped alot. I barely know programing language. html is all i know as the lanuage.
[19:35] <Geboy> hihi
[19:36] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: you have a website ?
[19:36] <Geboy> yes, but its a lame site! i my self ashame hahahaha
[19:36] <DocTomoe> on a completely unrelated note: my old trusty IBM PS/2 Keyboard is fading away, and I am out to shop for a new one. Has anyone tried a Logitech G15 on ubuntu?
[19:36] <Geboy> i only know basics
[19:36] <Geboy> lol
[19:36] <carl0s-> Anyhoo, I know this isn't the evolution/openchange channel. I wanted to ask, aren't the Ascending/Descending column header indicators as used in System Monitor back-to-front, face-about-arse, wrong?
[19:36] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: well, we have to start some were right
[19:36]  * DocTomoe shudders at the tought of having a Windows Key on his board. well, it can't be helped...
[19:37] <carl0s-> shirley they should be like Greater-than/Less-than indicators, but on their side.
[19:37] <carl0s-> > for biggest at top (looks like a V), and the other way round for smallest at the top.
[19:37] <mib_orp59ywa> DocTomoe: just yank it off :D
[19:38] <Geboy> mib_orp59ywa: yes, see my blogspot design for instance it was mostly graphic without programming
[19:38] <Geboy> :p
[19:38] <carl0s-> DocTomoe: the little Dell keyboards are nice.. the basic ones they give with new computers. Probably my favourite.
[19:38] <Geboy> DocTomoe: why is that?
[19:38] <mib_orp59ywa> Geboy: i cant, im using a online IRC so all i see is text
[19:38] <edgy> Hi sirs, my BCM4312 stops workng today after the latest updates, any hint?
[19:38] <Geboy> mib_orp59ywa: next time
[19:39] <Geboy> anyway,
[19:39] <mib_orp59ywa> well off to restart *walks*
[19:39] <deany> wohoo, new vbox guest modules build in jaunty
[19:39] <Geboy> i know its not the place to ask this, but can someone point me where to start on "what to do" in ubuntu?
[19:39] <carl0s-> omg. I've just clicked out of the Inbox and into my Deleted Items folder, and the 1.6gbs is going UP. I thought it'd temporarily forget about the Inbox and start afresh :(
[19:40] <Geboy> perhaps making my quickcam functioned in ubuntu when i want to do camchat in yahoo accout
[19:40] <DocTomoe> carl0s-: Well, I'm doing my fine share of programming work, and I really try to get something that works for the next 15 years (like my old one).
[19:42] <mib_kqpqxz6y> i need help... on ubntu..i restart after installing backport but nout, the problem is my wifi is set to boot on start but ubuntu dont like that and does not do it, any ideas ?
[19:42] <carl0s-> DocTomoe: I used to buy these super Mitsumi keyboards. They had a solid metal backplate so very good for typing, but they stopped importing to the UK.
[19:43] <Geboy> well, thanks everybody, i'm off the chan now
[19:43] <mib_kqpqxz6y> crdlb: i tried what you suggested but it didnt do nothing
[19:44] <crdlb> so what did it do?
[19:44]  * crdlb couldn't resist
[19:45] <crdlb> mib_kqpqxz6y: I guess you could try madwifi in Hardware Drivers
[19:45] <crdlb> I have no idea how to help if it's really related to rfkill
[19:47] <mib_kqpqxz6y> crdlb: the last time i tried that, i lost more than i had started with
[19:50] <deany> looks like a LOT of things are still gettin fixed, judging by the number of updates and frequency.
[19:52] <DocTomoe> carl0s-: These Mitsumi keyboards are available in Germany for around 8 €, which seems awfully little ... I will try one of those, in the worst case that's a bunch of caffeine less for me.
[19:56] <carl0s-> DocTomoe: I hope they're the same ones! :)
[20:04] <Rubel> Wow, my server update was speedy and smooth. I am pleased. All I had to do was rebuild a third-party python library for 2.6.
[20:04] <Rubel> Yay Jaunty
[20:09] <NEC-NEC> hello ubunteros
[20:10] <NEC-NEC> tengo problemas con pcmcia inalambrica y ubuntu 9.04
[20:10] <NEC-NEC> cuando tenia 8.10
[20:10] <sebsebseb> !es | NEC-NEC:
[20:10] <NEC-NEC> ok-gracias
[20:11] <Halow> Is there a ubuntu+1 in Spanish? Or are they going to tell him to come back here because he has Jaunty problems?
[20:11] <sebsebseb> Halow: good question
[20:11] <sebsebseb> Halow: I guess there isn't one, and he will just have to use the Spannish  channel
[20:11] <Halow> Too bad my spanish is poor. =(
[20:11] <Ienorand> !se > Ienorand
[20:12] <sebsebseb> !se
[20:12] <sebsebseb> oh that's why you pmed
[20:12] <Vague> Well I never liked the 'channel for everything evar' setup of Ubuntu really...So much run around.
[20:13] <Ienorand> Darn, mibbit is banned from there...
[20:15] <sebsebseb> Halow: the non English channels aren't popular enough for a special one for 9.04  I guess
[20:20] <mbeierl> I can't seem to use the regular update anymore.  It keeps telling me that there is a upgrade in progress (due to the hotkey-setup bug, which I manually resolved), and that it needs to perform a partial upgrade.  This fails about 20 minutes later with a message stating that it cannot calculate the dependencies
[20:21] <mbeierl> I *can* do apt-get upgrade, but there are a number of packages that are held back now.
[20:21] <mbeierl> anyone else getting this?
[20:25] <Ienorand> mbeierl: Which ones?
[20:25] <carl0s-> is there a circle drawing tool in gimp? If so what's it look like?
[20:26] <mbeierl> sorry - ekiga and then a whack of dbgsyms which I guess just means that they have not been updated yet
[20:26] <mbeierl> ekiga indicator-applet libcamel1.2-14-dbgsym libebackend1.2-0-dbgsym libebook1.2-9-dbgsym ...
[20:26] <mbeierl> indicator-applet too
[20:27] <mbeierl> carl0s: did you want me to pastebin the list?
[20:27] <mbeierl> sorry, carl0s
[20:27] <mbeierl> I meant Ienorand
[20:28] <Ienorand> mbeierl: What you could do is go to synaptic and mark ekiga for upgrade, that should remove the blocking packages and allow the upgrades...
[20:28] <mbeierl> ok
[20:29] <deany> i had ekiga too, i removed it, then installed it again which resulted in it grabbing a few new packages.. which is maybe why it was held back from upgrade
[20:29] <mbeierl> lenorand: Aha!  That shows a handful of packages now that need to be "removed" and new versions "installed" vs. upgrade
[20:30] <mbeierl> anyone know how to really, completely pin a package version so that apt doesn't update it?
[20:31] <mbeierl> I need to stick with SVN 1.4 for interop with others, but apt keeps updating it to 1.5 for me :(
[20:31] <mbeierl> I've got it locked at 1.4 in synaptic
[20:35] <insomnia> Hi folks, I'm having a bit of trouble with getting a wifi connection to work with 9.04.  I'm using a Linksys WUSB54GC USB Wireless Adapter and it doesn't seem to see the router.
[20:35] <sebsebseb> !wireless |  insomnia
[20:35] <Ienorand> What is the difference between icedtea6-plugin and icedtea-gcjwebplugin?
[20:35] <insomnia> ubottu: thanks.
[20:35] <sebsebseb> insomnia: no you thank me again :)  since I  triggered the bot
[20:35] <insomnia> sebsebseb:  :)  Thanks to you also!  :)
[20:36] <bjsnider> Ienorand, magnificent question, sir
[20:36] <khunt> has anyone notice problems after sudo apt-get upgrade?
[20:36] <insomnia> khunt: Yes, mp3's stopped working, but system sound is fine.
[20:36] <insomnia> khunt: made me go, wtf? :)
[20:37] <khunt> lol
[20:37] <insomnia> but I wanna' get wireless working first, then I'll fight with the sound.
[20:37] <khunt> my sound broke
[20:37] <khunt> filesystem mounted as read only
[20:37] <insomnia> khunt: Its bizarre.  Totally bizarre.  System sounds work fine, I had the volume cranked up because I thought it was just me...
[20:38] <khunt> and not if i try any other apt-get or aptitude task it complains about dpkg errors
[20:38] <insomnia> rebooted the system and nearly jumped out of my skin.
[20:38] <Ienorand> bjsnider: and no answer :) ?
[20:38] <insomnia> system sounds work just fine.  but I can't get a single peep out of an audio cd or an mp3.
[20:38] <mib_4tjclymn> hi, i need help, i have a amilo 1718 laptop and am having problems geting my wireless turned on,
[20:39] <bjsnider> Ienorand, i have a working theory that no one can answer that question. i am looking forward to seeing if anyone can answer your question, because my theory could be confirmed
[20:40]  * deany is impressed with compiz speed in vbox/jaunty
[20:40] <Ienorand> bjsnider: bleh. :)
[20:41] <bjsnider> Ienorand, you want the java plugin for firefox, correct? just go to one of the test sites and see if it's there
[20:42] <Ienorand> bjsnider: Ah, gcj seems to be a transitional version... maybe...
[20:42] <khunt> dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0096' for reading: Stale NFS file handle
[20:42] <khunt> kghunt@kghunt-aa1:~$
[20:44]  * mprice stabs new updates
[20:44] <mprice> damn them new updates
[20:44] <khunt> they broke my system
[20:44] <khunt> now cant do any mroe updates
[20:46] <insomnia> feh
[20:46] <khunt> my sound card and both card readers are broke
[20:46] <mprice> as of right now I have no sound
[20:46] <khunt> my xfce panel was all screwed
[20:47] <bjsnider> deany, is that vbox 2.2?
[20:47] <BetaClone> I'm trying to get my wacom tablet to work in relative mode (instead of absolute mode) with FDI. Anyone knows about how to do it in Jaunty?
[20:47] <mprice> haven't really had any problems yet with Juanty until now
[20:47] <deany> aye
[20:47] <mprice> brb rebooting
[20:47] <khunt> I backed up before the update think i might have to go back to that
[20:48] <deany> khunt,  is your nick supposed to sound like that  lol
[20:48] <bjsnider> BetaClone, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting
[20:49] <khunt> yes
[20:49] <khunt> is my name
[20:49] <khunt> karl hunt
[20:49] <khunt> lol
[20:49] <deany> ah,. thought it was some joke
[20:49] <khunt> it is
[20:49] <khunt> I know the similarity
[20:49] <khunt> hence why i use it like that
[20:50] <deany> thought so..
[20:50] <khunt> my bros middle name is michael
[20:50] <insomnia> On the wireless issue, when I ifup ra0 I get :Error while getting interface flags: No such device
[20:50] <khunt> That would be funny
[20:50] <insomnia> but lsusb shows Linksys there at 1737:077
[20:50] <khunt> Mike Hunt
[20:50] <deany> yes.. i see it
[20:50] <insomnia> khunt: I Know a guy named Michael Hunt.  He worked @ Sun Microsystems
[20:50] <BetaClone> bjsnider: it only describes how to do it with xorg config. It seems like it's possible to configure it via HAL in Jaunty!
[20:51] <BetaClone> bjsnider: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wacom-tools/+bug/355340/
[20:51] <khunt> usb won't mount
[20:52] <deany> i know a guy called isaac hunt
[20:52] <deany> jk
[20:54] <BetaClone> bjsnider: omg I'm such a noob.. was just to unplug/plug the tablet and it's fixed!
[20:54] <BetaClone> bjsnider: thanks for the help ^_^
[21:13] <mprice> okay sound works still
[21:16] <khunt> fixed all my issues
[21:44] <J-_> Hrm. This is weird. When I had debian Squeeze, I was getting at least 100 FPS in TORCS, now I'm only getting 20 FPS in Jaunty.
[21:46] <bjsnider> J-_, squeeze?
[21:48] <J-_> bjsnider: Yeah.
[21:49] <FlipFlop> I had set up kubunut, plasma-network-manager worked find.  I changed my wifi settings with ifconfig and iwconfig.  The wifi card works and i can connect to ap, and iwlist works, but the card does not show up in plasma-network-manager.  How can i get the wifi card to show up in mamanger again?
[21:50] <FlipFlop> s/find/fine
[21:54] <LinuxRevolution> hi all
[21:55] <LinuxRevolution> Update Notifier icon missing! why?
[21:55] <bretcolin> hi
[21:55] <mphill> LinuxRevolution: its been removed
[21:55] <mbeierl> it's a default setting change
[21:55] <mphill> yeah, what mbeierl said
[21:55] <mbeierl> LinuxRevolution: gconf-editor /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch
[21:56] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: ok let me check it
[21:56] <mbeierl> change the auto_launch to no (clear checkbox) and it goes back to the old-style behaviour
[21:56] <mbeierl> LinuxRevolution: the idea is not to bug people with updates EVERY DAY unless it's security related
[21:57] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: hmmmmmmmmmm so I have to uncheck it
[21:57] <mbeierl> but during this beta phase, it's perhaps not as useful as it will be later
[21:57] <mbeierl> yep
[21:57] <mbeierl> or change the interval from 7 days down to 2... or something more to your liking
[21:57] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: i did it thank u very much mate
[21:58] <mbeierl> I'm just passing it on :) you're welcome.  (ie: I learned about it here)
[21:58] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: that's daily :D
[21:59] <mbeierl> LinuxRevolution: yep, that's what I like too - more often during the beta phases, actually
[21:59] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: thhanks for the help mate it worked well ;)
[22:00] <mbeierl> LinuxRevolution: if you're around next time the question is asked... just pass it on :)
[22:00] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: of course i'll do
[22:00] <mbeierl> ciao all :)
[22:01] <LinuxRevolution> mbe
[22:01] <LinuxRevolution> mbeierl: r u italian :D
[22:02] <bretcolin> anybody need help with nvidia cards
[22:02]  * SilentDis raises hand
[22:02] <SilentDis> my nvidia card is working, but games and such seem... slow, choppy if you will, compaired to 8.10
[22:02] <bretcolin> i just posted this last night it works  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413
[22:03] <bretcolin> geared toward geforce cards
[22:03] <edgy> Hi, my broadcom 4315 stopped working, any hint? it used to use wl and it seems it's not longer available?
[22:04] <SilentDis> bretcolin: what were the 'main' sections you changed?
[22:05] <bretcolin> long story short my card worked with dapper so i copied the xorg file from there and replaced it in 8.10
[22:05] <SilentDis> bretcolin: hrm....  *checks the 8.10 netbook's file*
[22:05] <mjheagle8> is there a kubuntu+1 room?
[22:05] <mjheagle8> i need help with some things in kubuntu.
[22:05] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: you're in it :)
[22:05] <SilentDis> <-kubuntu user
[22:06] <mjheagle8> aah, okay.
[22:06] <bretcolin> i dont know why ubuntu got out of touch with nvidia
[22:06] <mjheagle8> could you help me with a few things?
[22:06] <bretcolin> sure
[22:06] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: depends on the 'things'.  i've ditched network manager, if that's what you're wrestling with...
[22:06] <mjheagle8> okay, i have gnome and kde installed on jaunty. kpackagekit wont update.
[22:07] <mjheagle8> apt-get works fine.
[22:07] <mjheagle8> i cant install new plasmoids.
[22:07] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: what errors do you get?
[22:07] <mjheagle8> and kopete new im notifications disappear to fast.
[22:07] <mjheagle8> for which one?
[22:07] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: pick one, and we'll take 'em one by one.
[22:08] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: are you running 'latest' from the repos, first question has to be asked :)
[22:08] <mjheagle8> sweet. kpackagekit: internal system error has occurred - KpackageKit. Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1.
[22:09] <bretcolin> SilentDis the main sections are the horizontal and vertical monitor settings and the nvidia card section
[22:09] <mjheagle8> i dont know what 'latest' means.
[22:09] <SilentDis> bretcolin: thanks, messing with mine :)
[22:09] <bretcolin> cool
[22:09] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: when was the last time you updated?
[22:10] <mjheagle8> today.
[22:10] <mjheagle8> silentdis: i run updates every day.
[22:10] <bretcolin> replace that whole file then mess with it
[22:11] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: i've had a few problems with kpackagekit a few days ago, is why i asked.  since it's beta, i've been pulling updates twice a day, and it went away at some point (i tend to stick to aptitude from the command line, so it's not a 'favorite tool' of mine)
[22:12] <bretcolin> SilentDis find out what identifier your card uses
[22:12] <bretcolin> should be the same
[22:13] <jester7> is there any timetable to when the fglrx drivers will be available for certain cards?
[22:13] <jester7> i have a x1200 and it simply doesn't work at all
[22:13] <crdlb> jester7: never :/
[22:13] <jester7> really?
[22:14] <crdlb> your options are A) radeon driver or B) use intrepid
[22:14] <bretcolin>  jester7 did your card work good on dapper
[22:14] <jester7> didn't use dapper
[22:14] <mjheagle8> silentdis: its no big deal, i just was wondering what's up with it. synaptic works fine, and so does apt-get. one that is more annoying is that i cant install plasmoids, from either a file or GHNS. i get the error that installation of /tmp/whatever has failed.
[22:14] <jester7> i'm using the radeon driver, but it's garbage
[22:14] <bretcolin> whats wrong with it
[22:14] <crdlb> jester7: ATI has dropped support for everything that isn't R600 or R700
[22:15] <jester7> oh, is that the problem?
[22:15] <SilentDis> mjheagle8: that one i've been having myself.  i am really unsure what is causing it though :(
[22:15] <bretcolin> your right
[22:15] <crdlb> "garbage" is a strong word
[22:15] <bjsnider> yes but the radeon driver does support the old cards
[22:15] <jester7> crdlb: well, lets see.  the entire screen flickers and tears while doing things like scrolling ANYTHING...even without compiz
[22:15] <jester7> i'd call that garbage
[22:15] <bretcolin> ati loves windows and they dont care about us linux users
[22:15] <crdlb> jester7: no, I'd call it a bug
[22:16] <jester7> has the radeon driver worked well in the past?
[22:16] <jester7> i mean, i don't game at all, i just like compiz
[22:16] <crdlb> it works fine for the X1250 for me
[22:17] <bretcolin> you need a better card for compiz
[22:17] <crdlb> the X1200's support is somewhat newer
[22:17] <jester7> actually, i think that's what i have
[22:17] <crdlb> do you have an intel or AMD CPU?
[22:17] <SilentDis> jester7: i really hate to say this, but i used to run ati cards when i was a windows user.  when i abandoned windows, i switched to nvidia due to their poor linux support.  that was 3 years ago, and from what i've read, it's just not improved.  the netbook i just purchased has an intel 945 card.
[22:17] <crdlb> the former gets X1200, the latter gets X1250
[22:17] <jester7> AMD cpu
[22:17] <mjheagle8> silentdis: darn. :( well i guess i'll wait for the release and hope its fixed. my kopete new im notifications also appear really fast, like <1 second. do you know anything about that?
[22:17] <jester7> i can't really switch cards...this is a laptop
[22:18] <jester7> crdlb: so you get no flicker at all?
[22:18] <jester7> do you use compiz?
[22:18] <bretcolin> support hasnt been strong lateley for nvidia but i recently posted this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413
[22:18] <crdlb> jester7: you can ask for help in #radeon , but don't call it "garbage" there, that would be rude
[22:18] <SilentDis> jester7: *nod* understandable.  i won't be much help with that one, but, i'm tracing down some problems on my nvidia card right now... this *might* be something to look at.  did your card work good in 8.10?
[22:19] <crdlb> jester7: yes, it's currently running intrepid, but I've tried the jaunty beta live cd
[22:19] <jester7> SilentDis: yes, but it was with fglrx
[22:19] <jester7> crdlb: you are using the radeon drivers on intrepid?
[22:20] <crdlb> yes
[22:20] <crdlb> with EXA to make textured video work
[22:20] <SilentDis> jester7: hrm.  what bretcolin recommended to me was to basically throw some settings from my 8.10 install into my 9.04 install.  this might relate to you as well (which would indicate a problem with the xorg.conf file in general on 9.04)
[22:20] <bjsnider> crdlb, what about the radeon driver in jaunty?
[22:20] <crdlb> bjsnider: what about it? it worked ok on the beta cd
[22:21] <crdlb> apparently there's a difference between my X1250 and jester7's
[22:21] <bretcolin> the xorg file is wrong in intrepid and jaunty
[22:21] <jester7> i've tried both EXA and XAA
[22:21] <bjsnider> crdlb, why don't you show him your xorg.conf file for it
[22:22] <crdlb> it's empty
[22:22] <crdlb> except for AccelMethod EXA which is default on jaunty
[22:22] <bretcolin> it might sound dumb but install dapper get your card the way you want then copy the xorg file and paste it into a intrepid install
[22:22] <bjsnider> oh my goodnes, that's funny
[22:23] <jester7> i've tried every configuration setting in my xorg that i could find
[22:23] <jester7> but there are still ridiculous issues, when compared to the fglrx on intrepid
[22:24] <jester7> like with EXA, you can't run videos...at all...with compiz enabled
[22:24] <bretcolin> depending on the ati card it should work out of the box
[22:24] <SilentDis> what's the difference between the 'nv' driver and 'nvidia' driver?
[22:25] <bretcolin> im not sure but the nv worked
[22:25] <crdlb> jester7: ... it's a _bug_
[22:25] <crdlb> we can't do anything about ATI's decision to drop fglrx support
[22:25] <robin0800> jester7: what have you put in your xorg config ?
[22:25] <bjsnider> SilentDis, nv is the obfuscated open source driver. nvidia is the binary closed-source driver. the one that works
[22:25] <mjheagle8> has anybody had any problems with kopete? i cant send files, and new im notifications are too fast.
[22:26] <SilentDis> bjsnider: thanks
[22:26] <jester7> i've done everything shown here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6971991#post6971991
[22:26] <deany> ATI 9.3 driver is a lot faster for me...
[22:27] <jester7> and MULTIPLE combinations of the options available in that particular xorg.conf
[22:27] <crdlb> jester7: you don't have an M6 with poor performance
[22:27] <crdlb> you have an X1250 with broken support
[22:27] <jester7> no, i'd say it's poor performance
[22:27] <jester7> i'm using it right now
[22:27] <deany> then again, i have an old card (mobility radeon 9800 256mb)
[22:27] <crdlb> if video doesn't work with EXA, I'd say it's broken
[22:28] <crdlb> if you can be calm about it, #radeon may be able to help
[22:28] <jester7> i didn't mean "video".  I mean videos..as in with Mplayer or VLC
[22:29] <crdlb> yes, that's what I meant
[22:29] <jester7> oh, ok
[22:29] <jester7> from what i've read, this is standard with EXA
[22:29] <robin0800> jester7: I have backing store enabled only found by studying the xog log and seeing it disabled also a lot of those things are now on by default in jaunty
[22:30] <crdlb> I'm not 100% sure I tested video on jaunty, but it definitely works on intrepid with EXA
[22:30] <crdlb> (with compiz enabled)
[22:30] <jester7> oh, you know what?  i think it might be the other way.
[22:30] <SilentDis> oh!  one other issue i'm having.  DMA is disabled, once again, on my DVD writer.  this is getting rather annoying, as i have to re-research it every time to re-enable it (i forget to bookmark it >.<).  anyone have this problem?
[22:30] <bretcolin> why do people like compiz its such a memory hog
[22:30] <jester7> XAA doesn't support both
[22:31] <robin0800> crdlb: It works on mine too
[22:31] <bretcolin> wiggly windows just isnt important
[22:31] <crdlb> with XAA, I'd expect that video would work without compiz, but not with it
[22:31] <SilentDis> bretcolin: on my netbook, which doesn't play games, it works great :)
[22:31] <nickbuntu> hello
[22:31] <bretcolin> thats cool
[22:32] <bretcolin> nickbuntu hey dude
[22:32] <jester7> right...with EXA, i get flickering and tearing on the desktop, regardless of compiz being on or off
[22:33] <jester7> with XAA, and compiz off, no flickering or tearing....
[22:33] <bretcolin> SilentDis compiz interferes with open gl apps
[22:33] <SilentDis> bretcolin: that it does.  which is why i don't run it on my desktop heh
[22:33] <bretcolin> me niether
[22:33] <crdlb> 21
[22:33] <crdlb> gah, I did it again
[22:34] <bretcolin> gotta have quake
[22:34] <nickbuntu> i just upgraded using "update-manager -d" when i probably shouldn't have. Now wireless is really spotty, only staying connected for minutes at a time and extremely slow speeds even then.
[22:34]  * crdlb looks at his / key
[22:34] <robin0800> jester7: try disabling those switches one at a time to find what is causing it tear
[22:34] <jester7> i did :(
[22:34] <jester7> it happens even with NONE of those settings
[22:35] <jester7> the thing is, i don't care about wobbly windows, i just dont like my desktop with windows 95 style animations
[22:35] <SilentDis> !dma
[22:36] <robin0800> jester7: Well you need page flip that on mine doubes the glxgears frame rate
[22:36] <jester7> robin0800: will try that
[22:38] <jester7> bbl
[22:39] <bretcolin> brb
[22:40] <Elone> hihi]
[22:40] <Elone> i just installed the 9.04 KDE responds seem slowed down a lot
[22:42] <bretcolin> ok
[22:42] <SilentDis> were you running 4.2 on 8.10, or is this your first time with kubuntu?
[22:43] <SilentDis> oy, that didn't come out well... let me try that again lol
[22:43] <robin0800> Elone: yes I run both and I've noticed on this laptop now kde is nearly unusable and I find  myself in jaunty with gnome most of the time now
[22:43] <SilentDis> Elone: were you running KDE 4.2 on kubuntu 8.10, or is this your first time with KDE?
[22:44] <Elone> SilentDis, 4.1 in 8.10
[22:45] <SilentDis> Elone: have you gotten the latest updates?  it's beta, i've been pulling twice a day lately
[22:45] <robin0800> SilentDis: Up to alpha 2 and kde 4.2 was still ok
[22:46] <Elone> SilentDis, ya i do
[22:47] <SilentDis> Elone: which vid card?
[22:47] <robin0800> Elone: I've realy given up on kde since alpha 2
[22:47] <Elone> SilentDis, it seem the display driver or something are the issue, i sometimes got glicth in kate while scrolling
[22:48] <Elone> robin0800, :< ~ that sad
[22:48] <Elone> SilentDis, IGP 945
[22:48] <SilentDis> Elone: bretcolin suggested replacing some of the data from your 8.10 xorg.conf into the 9.04 xorg.conf
[22:48] <robin0800> Elone: I get a lot of crashes
[22:49] <Elone> robin0800, i don't have crashes so far just some video slow and glicth
[22:49] <Elone> SilentDis, how do is do that ?
[22:50] <robin0800> Elone: What card do you have?
[22:50] <SilentDis> Elone: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413 - mind you, he (and I) use nvidia cards, but the idea is sound.
[22:50] <Elone> robin0800, IGP 945
[22:50] <aapzak> Elone has intel gfx card, thats why KDE sucks
[22:50] <bretcolin> elone http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413
[22:51] <bretcolin> oh
[22:51] <SilentDis> Elone: the main differences is specifying the monitor's refresh and horizontal sync from what i can see
[22:51] <bretcolin> same concept
[22:51] <bretcolin> yes
[22:51] <aapzak> I have Intel GM965 and finally got KDE to run reasonable with UXA Accelaration
[22:52] <Elone> hmmm i don't know those value >.>
[22:52] <aapzak> but before that I had very poor performance and scrambled windowparts
[22:53] <Elone> aapzak, but i was fine i 8.10 ~ well we have IGP ~ some nothing can be FAST anywany ;p
[22:53] <robin0800> Elone: Yes in your case try UXA axcelleration
[22:53] <Elone> UXA?
[22:54] <bretcolin> i think the isea ubuntu had was to make a highly configurable xorg.org file but most people dont know how to do all that
[22:54] <aapzak> You can opt-in to enable this by running "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf", and adding Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" to the Device section of your xorg.conf. Users wishing to maximize stability should stay with the standard default acceleration method, "EXA".
[22:54] <robin0800> Elone: Yes UXA  accel. has just been added to jaunty for intel graphic cards
[22:55] <edgy> sirs where is this wl driver located?
[22:55] <aapzak> it can be unstable
[22:55] <SilentDis> bretcolin: i think the general idea, eventaully, will be a system tool to modify/edit all the options of xorg.conf graphically, rather than by hand.  they had to clean it up first though, by moving a lot of it to automation.  eventually, you might see just a few settings in there, and an 'include' file :)
[22:56] <aapzak> SilentDis: my xorg.conf is pretty empty nowadays, just added the UXA line
[22:56] <bretcolin> that would be cool
[22:56] <aapzak> xorg runs fine with an empty xorg.conf here
[22:57] <aapzak> so autodetection is already working pretty well
[22:57] <SilentDis> aapzak: the big problem, at least in my opinion, is they're focused on the gnome desktop, so the kde tools to edit this stuff are lagging behind.  i'm not a gnome fan is the problem, i like kde a lot more :(
[22:58] <robin0800> aapzak: I found page flip considerably speeded up my graphics
[22:58] <bretcolin> the restricted drivers have to be more configurable a gui would be cool
[22:58] <aapzak> Elone: for some people UXA makes xorg unuseable, be careful\
[22:58] <aapzak> robin0800: is that for intel too?
[22:58] <Elone> aapzak, can you show me your xorg.conf? i am not sure how i edit it
[22:58] <aapzak> SilentDis: I used to be a KDE man, but this intel chip nearly dragged me to gnome :)
[22:58] <SilentDis> bretcolin: i've been trying to get the nvidia graphics tool to work for a while now...  since 8.04 really. :P
[22:59] <robin0800> aapzak: Don't know I only have ATI
[22:59] <aapzak> Elone: If you don't know how to edit it, don't edit it
[22:59] <aapzak> robin0800: k, too bad :) what does that option look like?
[22:59] <bretcolin> SilentDis neeto ill look that up
[22:59] <aapzak> Elone: looking at my xorg.conf is not going to help you
[23:00] <aapzak> (and besides, I cannot reach it atm)
[23:00] <SilentDis> bretcolin: ya know... lets try the 'dumb' method... set the nvidia tool to run as root...
[23:00] <aapzak> SilentDis: I think Ubuntu will always be Gnome minded
[23:00] <robin0800> aapzak: option "pageflip"  "on"
[23:00] <aapzak> robin0800: tnx
[23:01] <SilentDis> aapzak: i fear you're right.  the kde side for kubuntu will basically lag behind by 1 release.  9.04's tools will feel like gnome 8.10, etc etc
[23:01] <bretcolin> SilentDis i think that will work
[23:01] <SilentDis> bretcolin: this might be a better solution than messing with the xorg.conf...
[23:02] <bretcolin> SilentDis yes but maybe the resolution might be a problem for some
[23:03] <bretcolin> SilentDis sometimes only shows 800x600
[23:04] <robin0800> Elone: reboot hit escape and select the second option when it finaly stops choose a root console and run Xorg configure this will give you a file you can work with
[23:07] <SilentDis> bretcolin: the nvidia tool?  so long as you run it as root, it'll make the necessary changes for ya.  this is a LOT easier :)
[23:07] <bretcolin> cool
[23:08] <SilentDis> bretcolin: nvidia-settings is the name of the tool, i believe that's the package name as well.  you'll need to launch the menu editor and set the app to run as root though
[23:09] <bretcolin> SilentDis thanks
[23:10] <robin0800> aapzak: !!!!!! sorry its "EnablePageFlip"
[23:12] <aapzak> robin0800: thx :)
[23:13] <SilentDis> the one thing that has me a bit miffed is the 'easy internet connection sharing' they implimented in network-manager tool for gnome.  it's totally missing for kde.  part of why i ditched network manager on my machine
[23:13] <bretcolin> SilentDis nvidia settings has a resolution problem with nvidia geforce fx 5500 cards
[23:13] <bretcolin> SilentDis otherwise thats good advice
[23:14] <SilentDis> bretcolin: really?  i'm running a geforce 8400gs, i thought this stuff was kinda 'standardized' in the driver now.
[23:14] <robin0800> SilentDis: Not only that my usb mobile broardband dongle won't work in KDE
[23:15] <bretcolin> SilentDis yes the older nvidia cards need a little extra attention http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034413#post7034413
[23:15] <SilentDis> robin0800: oh?  I'm actually on tethered EVDO myself right now, to a Motorola V3m.  works awesome here.  did an ok job with network manager, but was a bit flaky
[23:16] <robin0800> SilentDis: How did you get it to work?
[23:16] <SilentDis> robin0800: i ended up ditching network manager and setting it up as a network device called ppp0.  easier to just sudo ifup ppp0 heh
[23:17] <SilentDis> robin0800: that was mainly because i wanted to be able to share the connection easily
[23:18] <magcius> urggh... when a panel is on the right-side and I right-click and hit properties the entire gnome-panel freezes.
[23:18] <SilentDis> general question to the mods here:  i'd like to go through this with robin0800 to get the EVDO stuff working great as I have, but it'll be a bit.. spammy.  would you prefer we take it to private channel/tells?
[23:18] <robin0800> SilentDis: I can use wvdial or gnome-ppp just not the network appalet
[23:20] <SilentDis> robin0800: i'll go through what i've got setup with you if you'd like, but as i said it can get spammy.  i setup #EVDOworkshop if you'd like to join me
[23:29] <maco> bah no themuso
[23:30] <etric> hi all. Short question i read a while ago, that the new kNetwork plasma widget introduced with 9.04 can't handle UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA connections yet. Is it stll true or does the network manager work the same as always?
[23:32] <maco> anyone run into a case where you mute using the mixer applet in gnome but the device/element specified for it to correspond to in system -> preferences -> sound isn't being muted? ie. the mixer applet says it's muted but isn't really.
[23:37] <afallenhope> hey my display is HUGE, I don't know if it's because I'm running Xubuntu or what.. but I was wondering is there a way of changing my display? I have the restricted driver installed for a copy of my xorg you can look at it here: http://pastebin.com/f5a2063a5
[23:39] <bjsnider> afallenhope, install nvidia-settings
[23:40] <bjsnider> then run it
[23:40] <afallenhope> bjsnider, I have it and did that
[23:40] <bjsnider> so what's the highest screen resolution you have avaiolable?
[23:40] <afallenhope> bjsnider, 1280 x 800
[23:41] <bjsnider> and what do want it to be?
[23:41] <afallenhope> bjsnider, I just want it to auto detect how high it can go..
[23:41] <afallenhope> for some reason... it's really "ZOOMED" in
[23:42] <bjsnider> how large is the monitor?
[23:42] <afallenhope> and the highest MHz is 50 for some reason HP Pavilion dv6105ca  and it's 15 I think hold up let me check lol.
[23:43] <crdlb> that's just dynamic twinview
[23:43] <afallenhope> yeah 15.4
[23:43] <crdlb> nvidia misreports the refresh rate as 50Hz + monitor_number
[23:43] <crdlb> so the first one is 50Hz and the second is 51Hz
[23:44] <bjsnider> he didn't say he had 2 monitors
[23:45] <afallenhope> 1 monitor lol.
[23:46] <timo> hi my jaunty install wont boot it gets stuck. Is there any way i can do a repair install, not a reinstall
[23:46] <bjsnider> you could try using my xorg.conf instead
[23:47] <bjsnider> http://pastebin.com/m57cad1af
[23:49] <crdlb> afallenhope: bjsnider: it doesn't matter
[23:49] <crdlb> it's _dynamic_ twinview
[23:52] <afallenhope> who's setting up twinview?
[23:53] <crdlb> nvidia is
[23:54] <bretcolin> timo as root sign into the black screen and type apt-get install update or apt-get update the same happened to me
[23:54] <bjsnider> my guess is the metamodes int he xorg.conf file are wrong
[23:54] <bjsnider> i don't use any, so it always works for me
[23:56] <funkyHat> Anyone use vimoutliner?
[23:57] <timo>  bretcolin: not booting at all
[23:58] <timo> like gets stuck on the laoding screen
[23:58] <bretcolin> does grub work timo
[23:58] <bretcolin> press esc at grub then choose single user


 ok hei. I'm double booting ubuntustudio and osx. I'm using ubuntu one to have access from other machines and to keep an immediate update of the state of things. I'd also like to be able to use the same home folder for osx as for ubuntustudio. there isn't much space on my hard disk have copies of my home fodler twice. also i feel like it's quite redundant, on the same machine. currently u1 doesn't allow the links to my hfs unjourn
[08:22] <aloiece> aled partition and as soon as i log in with my ubuntt u1, i get an error when syncing from mac.  any suggestions?
[09:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy X-Ray Day! :-D
[11:09] <mandel_> JamesTait, ping
[11:10] <JamesTait> mandel_, pong
[11:11] <mandel_> JamesTait, one question, is there a rest api just for the photos stored in ubuntu one?
[11:12] <mandel_> JamesTait, just the images, I don't care about the rest of files :)
[11:12] <JamesTait> There is a photos API, yes.
[11:12]  * mandel_ is planning something ;)
[11:12] <mandel_> JamesTait, url? please
[11:12] <JamesTait> It currently has no upload functionality, you have to do that via the normal files API, but you can get collections and photos in a collection.
[11:13] <JamesTait> mandel_, 1 mo, I'll have to look it up - it's been ages since I worked on it!
[11:14] <JamesTait> mandel_, https://one.ubuntu.com/api/photos/v0/collections seems to work for me.
[11:16] <JamesTait> resource_path is the API path to get the contents of a collection; display_url is what a user would put in the address bar of their browser.
[11:16] <mandel_> JamesTait, are there any docs?
[11:16] <mandel_> JamesTait, I want to add support for the ubuntu touch gallery app for this :)
[11:17] <JamesTait> mandel_, I'm just looking that up too - yes, there are, but they're on the internal wiki and probably not up to date.  Might still be useful though.
[11:17] <mandel_> JamesTait, is a step...
[11:18] <JamesTait> mandel_, https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuOne/PhotosRESTAPI - I forgot, it's also in a gimmicky pseduo-JSON format; sorry. :(
[11:18] <mandel_> JamesTait, well, that is life :)
[11:18] <JamesTait> mandel_, but I really ought to a) bump the revno to v1 and b) get those docs available to the public.
[11:18] <mandel_> JamesTait, I have worked with more annoying things
[11:19] <JamesTait> I don't think the API has changed in about a year now, so I think it can be considered stable. :)
[11:23] <mandel_> JamesTait, ok, I don't think many people has used though.. right?
[11:23] <mandel_> JamesTait, is a such a pain to have some many cool features and not use them :-/
[11:28] <JamesTait> mandel_, I think we're the only ones using it at the moment.
[11:28] <JamesTait> mandel_, but then, it hasn't been publicly documented, so no-one ever knew it was there.
[11:30] <mandel_> JamesTait, yeah, that is probably the reason


[00:47] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[02:47] <Sarvatt> hmm libva is in main, yet playback apps dont support it in ubuntu where they do in debian
[02:47] <Sarvatt> (libva in main and supported? wth)
[02:50] <bjsnider> vlc supports it
[02:50] <Sarvatt> not my vlc
[02:50] <Sarvatt> its not on the list
[02:51] <bjsnider> list?
[02:52] <bjsnider> mplayer is a thorny issue since gbeauchesne's patches eliminated vdpau support, but that problem may be fixed now. i will ask him. certainly vaapi and vdpau need to coexist, not be mutually exclusive
[02:53] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/scrot.png
[02:53] <bjsnider> no, no
[02:54] <bjsnider> you're looking in the wrong place
[02:54] <bjsnider> enable gpu accel
[02:54] <Sarvatt> there was just a bug where a libdrm update broke mplayer/vlc/et all on intel in debian but i couldn't reproduce because vaapi wasnt an option http://paste.ubuntu.com/766476/ too
[02:54] <Sarvatt> oh
[02:54] <Sarvatt> ?
[02:54] <Sarvatt> whatever the deal is the options were all enabled by default in debian
[02:54] <Sarvatt> hmm, where should I be looking, i dont see it
[02:55] <bjsnider> input & codecs
[02:55] <bjsnider> enable gpu accel
[02:55] <bjsnider> start vlc from a cli and you can actually see it using libva
[02:55] <Sarvatt> just ticking that enabled vaapi output?
[02:56] <bjsnider> yes it did
[02:56] <bjsnider> you can make sure it's working by starting it from the cli
[02:57] <bjsnider> vlc doesn't do 100% gpu decoding, so cpu usage should be higher than with mplayer/vdpau
[02:57] <Sarvatt> ok that did work, and its not crashing here, go figure
[02:58] <bjsnider> a libdrm update in debian but not ubuntu broke things?
[02:59] <Sarvatt> yeah i didn't pull it in yet
[02:59] <bjsnider> try mplayer -vo vaapi -va vaapi file.mkv
[02:59] <Sarvatt> its not busted in edgers though which is confusing me
[02:59] <Sarvatt> i pasted my mplayer -vo help output up there, vaapi isnt an option
[03:00] <bjsnider> then it hasn't been patched
[03:00] <Sarvatt> mplayer is a straight sync from debian
[03:00] <bjsnider> like i said the patches eliminated vdpau in favour of vaapi
[03:00] <Sarvatt> and mplayer was busted in debian
[03:01] <bjsnider> uau thinks vaapi's presentation queue is inferior to vdpau
[03:01] <bjsnider> for technical reasons i don't understand
[03:02] <bjsnider> uau's mplayer2 is preferable to mplayer at this point imo
[03:02] <Sarvatt> doesn't vaapi talk to vdpau now anyway so it doesn't matter?
[03:02] <bjsnider> btw, does vdpau work well on snb?
[03:02] <Sarvatt> why would it? no vdpau drivers..
[03:03] <Sarvatt> the mesa vdpau crap is gallium intel doesnt do gallium
[03:03] <bjsnider> i thought there was one
[03:03] <bjsnider> oh, intel is using vaapi?
[03:03] <Sarvatt> yeah
[03:03] <bjsnider> well then does vaapi work well?
[03:03] <Sarvatt> installing mplayer2 to see
[03:04] <Sarvatt> i have no clue
[03:04] <Sarvatt> stopped caring when dedicated devices replaced all my media centers, boxee box ftw :)
[03:05] <bjsnider> popcornhour
[03:05] <bjsnider> in oneiric mplayer2 doesn't know what -vo vaapi is
[03:05] <Sarvatt> no vaapi in mplayer2 either unless im being an idiot
[03:06] <Sarvatt> mplayer2 package installs /usr/bin/mplayer and no vaapi listed in mplayer -vo help
[03:06] <Sarvatt> yah i'm on oneiric
[03:07] <bjsnider> http://gitorious.org/vaapi/mplayer
[03:07] <bjsnider> there's the patches
[03:07] <bjsnider> i guess they haven't been applied
[03:07] <bjsnider> how do you know about this bug?
[03:09] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651316
[03:09] <ubot4> Debian bug 651316 in libdrm-intel1 "libdrm-intel1: X.org crashes when I try to play a video" [Grave,Open]
[03:09] <Sarvatt> been trying to reproduce that
[03:09] <bjsnider> it takes down x?
[03:09] <Sarvatt> its already fixed in x-x-v-intel
[03:09] <Sarvatt> yea
[03:10] <Sarvatt> libdrm update broke libva and it was crashing X, but i couldn't reproduce cus i couldn't use libva easily but it was used by default in debian
[03:13] <Sarvatt> your libva stuff hasn't made it to debian yet
[03:14] <bjsnider> i'm working with siretart and others on it
[03:14] <bjsnider> but we have to make a new intel va driver package from my barebones beginning and nobody has stepped forward to assist
[03:15] <bjsnider> but i did contribute to the packaging of 1.0.15
[03:15] <Sarvatt> yeah i saw it in debian-multimedia, i'm using your stuff now
[03:16] <bjsnider> i just emailed gwenole with some questions about the mplayer patches so i will get back to you when he gets back to me
[03:17] <bjsnider> i didn't know vaapi had been left out of oneiric
[03:17] <bjsnider> i mean mplayer/vaapi
[03:21] <Sarvatt> if you have to check the box in the input codec section doesn't that imply its ffmpeg/libav where it needs to be enabled?
[03:21] <Sarvatt> i didn't check to see if we're behind there
[03:22] <Sarvatt> well thats vlc
[03:23] <Sarvatt> yeah i'm slow libva really is used there when you check it
[03:26] <bjsnider> there's vaapi code in libav, and anything that uses libav can use it. so by checking that box you're telling vlc to use it
[03:27] <bjsnider> mplayer still has to be patched, and totem could use it but for gstreamer getting in the way
[03:27] <bjsnider> gstreamer would have to be patched and them totem could use vaapi too
[03:27] <Sarvatt> its still presenting the final stream via whatever output you picked and vaapi isn't an option in vlc, mixing in subtitles before presenting it to xv or gl. i guess mplayer does it different in -vo vaapi is an option
[03:27] <bjsnider> i don't know. i can ask gwenole
[03:28] <Sarvatt> yeah one of the intel guys asked me to put libgstvaapi in edgers for that
[03:28] <bjsnider> the fluendo guys have a vaapi lib but you have to pay
[03:29] <bjsnider> if the presentation queue is xv or gl that would be inferior to vdpau and probably vaapi too
[03:30] <bjsnider> of course in mplayer you can use libav-mt with vdpau as the driver if you're on a multicore cpu
[03:30] <Sarvatt> that seems to be how it works in vlc if you pick it in input codecs and are still using xv or gl to present it, thats why i was confused about where to enable it
[03:30] <bjsnider> maybe it uses the vaapi queue without telling the user explicitly


[00:16] <cjwatson> skaet: FYI, /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/backups/natty-unreleased/ has copies of the eight current daily builds that we didn't release with 11.04
[00:16] <cjwatson> (on antimony)
[00:17] <cjwatson> and trying an initial round of oneiric CD builds before bed
[00:19] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks.
[01:59] <cjwatson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:59] <cjwatson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:59] <cjwatson> several images way oversized, and absolutely no idea whether they work
[01:59] <cjwatson> also not cronned yet
[02:00] <stgraber> wow, they actually built the first time around?
[02:00] <cjwatson> yeah
[02:00] <cjwatson> I did wait until I thought they probably would
[02:00] <cjwatson> I suspect amd64/efi may be busted, haven't checked yet
[02:06] <skaet> very cool.    :)
[02:07] <cjwatson> hah, amd64 doesn't even build, score
[02:07] <skaet> when do we cut over from doing the natty daily builds?
[02:07] <cjwatson> skaet: what natty daily builds?
[02:07] <cjwatson> (no daily builds since we released)
[02:07] <skaet> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ has natty builds in it...
[02:08] <skaet> d'oh
[02:08] <skaet> april 26
[02:08] <skaet> sorry,  my bad.
[02:08] <cjwatson> yeah, those were carried over by accident, I just removed them
[02:08] <skaet> :)
[02:08] <cjwatson> well, not by accident, by a long-standing cdimage bug/misfeature/something
[02:09] <cjwatson> anyway, bed
[02:09] <skaet> sleep well.
[02:09] <stgraber> good night
[14:25] <cjwatson> promoting ttf-sil-nuosusil, since it's a successor of ttf-sil-yi which was previously in main
[15:34] <cjwatson> Laney: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/
[15:34] <cjwatson> merry Christmas
[15:39] <Laney> happy days!
[15:39]  * Laney adds IS to the Good List
[15:41] <cjwatson> I think I got everything of yours sucked in
[15:41] <cjwatson> had to hack it a bit for lucid
[15:42] <cjwatson> wrote http://paste.ubuntu.com/612768/ as a 'go' script
[15:42] <Laney> I think some of my claims in readme.txt might be lies
[15:42] <cjwatson> I edited that a bit
[15:42] <Laney> you can add --use-cache to the 2nd+ runs
[15:42] <Laney> and you might want --run-debcheck too
[15:43] <cjwatson> aha
[15:43] <cjwatson> --run-debcheck for all of them?
[15:44] <Laney> that's how I had it yeah, but I don't know if that's necessary
[15:44] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612772/
[15:44] <cjwatson> oopsie, need edos-debcheck installed
[15:45] <Laney> you could even put it at line 14
[15:45] <cjwatson> how do you mean?
[15:45] <cjwatson> oh, the cache
[15:46] <cjwatson> done
[15:46] <Laney> bonza
[17:00] <cjwatson> Laney: --run-debcheck back in now (thanks lamont)
[17:00] <Laney> brillo pads, thanks
[17:39] <bdmurray> What was the Final Answer about Karmic being supported?
[18:56] <skaet> bdmurray,  Karmic is EOL'd now.  In process of working through checklist and trying to get it shut down officially now.   Issue that was holding up the decision is documented in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ec2/+bug/737761
[18:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 737761 in linux-ec2 (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 1 other project) "linux-ec2: 2.6.31-308.29 -proposed tracker (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[18:58] <bdmurray> skaet: is there an EOL checklist?  I'd like to take a peek at it
[18:59] <skaet> bdmurray,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EndOfLifeProcess - if you spot anything missing,  that should be done, feel free to add ;)
[19:01] <bdmurray> skaet: I was just curious about meta-release since I was looking at that today
[19:02] <skaet> bdmurray,  have ping'ed  mvo to edit it, and waiting on him.
[19:03] <bdmurray> skaet: right, okay
[19:03] <skaet> can you deactivate karmic-updates for me - I still dont seem to have permission... grumble.
[19:03] <skaet> ?
[19:06] <maxb> On a semi-related note, is there a planned date for shutdown of karmic PPA builds?
[19:09] <skaet> maxb,  its being coordinated with the OEM folk, within the next 6 months. If I am understanding your question correctly.
[19:10] <skaet> cjwatson,  can you do the honors on turning off karmic-updates milestone?  my perms still aren't letting me.
[19:11] <maxb> Thanks - it's interesting to know to plan maintenance of PPAs - will a date be announced somewhere once it's decided?
[19:15] <skaet> maxb,  will talk to the OEM team and see if something can be arranged.   Where would you be looking to see the announce though?
[19:15] <maxb> I don't mind - anywhere I can look to see once it's been decided :-)
[19:15] <maxb> IIRC, intrepid just stopped working one day, and jaunty is still enabled
[19:17] <maxb> Maybe launchpad-users would be a good place to announce it
[19:19] <skaet> One the EOL announce goes out,  they are effectively unsupported and can disappear at any time.    However,  will talk with OEM, and see if we should add something to the process notes to make it explicit.
[19:50] <mvo> skaet: supported is set to false now
[19:55] <skaet> thanks mvo.  :)
[19:55] <mvo> np
[21:48] <cjwatson> skaet: done
[21:49] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks!
[23:39] <cjwatson> Laney: are you running the libav transition?  do you know if it typically requires sourceful changes, or if it's just a slew of rebuild-only uploads?
[23:39] <cjwatson> oh, heh, /usr/share/doc/libavcodec53/APIChanges
[23:40] <micahg> cjwatson: sourceful changes :(, but it's good to know about that file :)
[23:41]  * cjwatson might steer clear then, not having the time for that
[23:42] <cjwatson> not doing sync requests at the moment because qa.debian.org is down
[23:42] <cjwatson> (bed anyway)


[13:14] <CIA-12> cdebconf: cjwatson * r2348 ubuntu/ (88 files in 6 dirs): merge from Debian 0.161
[14:48] <CIA-12> cdebconf: cjwatson * r2349 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.161ubuntu1
[20:58] <Deprofundis> Hello all
[20:59] <Deprofundis> I'm stuck
[21:00] <Deprofundis> i don't know how to use ubuntu sso api to connect
[21:00] <Deprofundis> can anyone helps please


[00:51] <slangasek> wgrant: LP: #1658804 - xdelta3 is a C program, it ought to get rebuilt for each of the previous releases with the corresponding toolchain rather than just copying it back?
[00:56] <wgrant> slangasek: Oh, I meant copying from the release pocket of each series.
[00:56] <wgrant> And then promoting.
[00:56] <wgrant> The only change as part of the MIR was enabling the test suite, which I can upload to each series if that's interesting.
[00:56] <wgrant> (and I have pysha3 -updates uploads ready locally, just waiting for the new upstream to migrate in zesty)
[00:57] <slangasek> wgrant: ah.  I think we do want the test suite enabled for each release, since we autopkgtest srus.
[00:57] <slangasek> wgrant: I can do a prelim pocket copy to promote, but could you follow up on the test suitery?
[00:58] <wgrant> slangasek: Sure.
[00:59] <slangasek> SRU test case: passes autopkgtest ;P
[01:06] <wgrant> slangasek: Thanks.
[01:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: pysha3 (xenial-proposed/primary) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[01:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: pysha3 (yakkety-proposed/primary) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[06:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [4.9.0-15.16] (core, kernel)
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [4.9.0-15.16]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted knot [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [2.4.0-2]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted knot [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [2.4.0-2]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libpgobject-util-dbchange-perl [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [0.050.2-1]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-opencv-apps [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.11.14-1]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-opencv-apps [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.11.14-1]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-opencv-apps [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [1.11.14-1]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted knot [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [2.4.0-2]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-limits [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.1-1]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-opencv-apps [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.11.14-1]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted knot [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [2.4.0-2]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-opencv-apps [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.11.14-1]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gtkhash [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [1.0-1]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted knot [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [2.4.0-2]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-opencv-apps [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.11.14-1]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted knot [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [2.4.0-2]
[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ros-opencv-apps [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.11.14-1]
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: flask-limiter [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.9.3-1] (no packageset)
[09:57] <apw> acheronuk, done
[10:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[10:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[10:04] <acheronuk> apw: thank you :)
[10:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1] (no packageset)
[10:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1] (no packageset)
[10:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1] (no packageset)
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [arm64] (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1] (no packageset)
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [i386] (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1] (no packageset)
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [armhf] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1] (no packageset)
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1] (no packageset)
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [armhf] (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1] (no packageset)
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [i386] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1] (no packageset)
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [arm64] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1] (no packageset)
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pysha3 [s390x] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1] (no packageset)
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [arm64] (xenial-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [i386] (xenial-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [armhf] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [armhf] (xenial-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [arm64] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1]
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pysha3 [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[10:15] <acheronuk> if anyone is able to, could the KDE 16.12.1 applications new binaries in the queue for zesty perhaps be approved?
[10:15] <acheronuk> they have been sitting in the queue since last week
[10:22] <Ukikie> Oh huh, someone packaged pysha3.
[10:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted curtin [source] (yakkety-proposed) [0.1.0~bzr437-0ubuntu1~16.10.1]
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcddb [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcddb [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcddb [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcddb [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcddb [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcddb [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcddb [i386] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:28] <apw> acheronuk, done
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcompactdisc [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcompactdisc [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcompactdisc [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcompactdisc [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcompactdisc [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcompactdisc [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libkcompactdisc [i386] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:29] <acheronuk> apw: awesome. thank you again
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted flask-limiter [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [0.9.3-1]
[10:35] <acheronuk> while I'm here..... can someone please make an exception, force, skip or whatever is appropriate, for the ppc64el and s390x of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gwenview
[10:35] <acheronuk>  one of the test dependencies now requires QtWebEngine, which is not and I don't think ever will be buildable so satisfied on those architectures
[10:41] <acheronuk> oh.... the kubuntu daily zesty iso also failed to build due to sum archive Hash Sum mismatchs. could that perhaps be retried, assuming those mismatches were just temporary while archive was sorting it's consistency out?
[10:41] <acheronuk> sorry for multiple requests :/
[10:55] <sil2100> acheronuk: I can re-run those, sure
[10:56] <acheronuk> sil2100: thx :)
[10:58] <sil2100> yw!
[12:01] <sil2100> acheronuk: looks like one of the retried kubuntu builds already failed again
[12:01] <sil2100> I guess the other one will fail as well
[12:07] <acheronuk> E: Failed to fetch copy:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_zesty-security_main_dep11_icons-64x64.tar.gz  Hash Sum mismatch
[12:07] <acheronuk> E: Failed to fetch copy:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_zesty-updates_main_dep11_icons-64x64.tar.gz  Hash Sum mismatch
[12:08] <acheronuk> not a clue on that :/
[12:51] <Laney> that's weird
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: kdialog (zesty-proposed/primary) [16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: kfilereplace (zesty-proposed/primary) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: kimagemapeditor (zesty-proposed/primary) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: kommander (zesty-proposed/primary) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: minuet (zesty-proposed/primary) [16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: keditbookmarks (zesty-proposed/primary) [16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: klinkstatus (zesty-proposed/primary) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: kfind (zesty-proposed/primary) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: konqueror (zesty-proposed/primary) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:41] <shadeslayer> wgrant: hey, could you look at those new kde sources/binaries?
[15:02] <lamont> can someone kick postfix pkg tests ?  looked transient when I glanced at it
[15:02] <lamont> if it fails again, I'll spend a little time on it
[15:05] <barry> sil2100: can you review LP: #1655133 ?
[15:06] <sil2100> barry: sure thing!
[15:07] <barry> sil2100: thanks!
[15:14] <Laney> lamont: if you can upload it, you can retry it
[15:17] <rbasak> I kicked it. I'm not sure if lamont _can_ upload postfix in Ubuntu.
[15:19] <lamont> rbasak: I can (have)... nfc how to retry the pkg tests though.. halp?
[15:21] <Laney> There's an icon next to the regression on update_excuses.
[15:26] <lamont> Laney: ta
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: alsa-lib [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.1.3-4] (core)
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: alsa-lib [armhf] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.1.3-4] (core)
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: alsa-lib [i386] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.1.3-4] (core)
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: alsa-lib [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.1.3-4] (core)
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: alsa-lib [arm64] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.1.3-4] (core)
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: alsa-lib [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.1.3-4] (core)
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: alsa-lib [s390x] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.1.3-4] (core)
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: firejail (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.9.38-1ubuntu0.1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: barbican (xenial-proposed/universe) [1:2.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 1:2.0.0-0ubuntu1.1] (openstack)
[18:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected barbican [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:2.0.0-0ubuntu1.1]
[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: klibc (xenial-proposed/main) [2.0.4-8ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.0.4-8ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[19:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: klibc (yakkety-proposed/main) [2.0.4-8ubuntu3 => 2.0.4-8ubuntu3.1] (core)
[20:08] <wxl> um shouldn't we be having alphas today?
[20:08] <wxl> tsimonq2: ^^
[20:11] <acheronuk> alpha is thurs?
[20:11] <wxl> alpha is DUE thursday
[20:11] <flocculant> :)
[20:12] <wxl> i mean we could just wait until thursday, but i'm not sure we'll get the results we want XD
[20:13] <flocculant> I could give you Xubuntu ones like that :p
[20:13] <flocculant> wxl: did you catch my comment to you about lock failing on lubuntu?
[20:14] <wxl> flocculant: yeah. we had a similar bug reported and i had the OP dupe it
[20:14] <flocculant> k cool - r_ancell is looking there
[20:14] <wxl> excellent
[20:14] <flocculant> indeed he is :)
[20:14] <wxl> :)
[20:16] <flocculant> wxl we've added something to our post-install test, we got caught with similar last cycle very close to final release ...
[20:16] <wxl> re: the locker itself, flocculant ?
[20:16] <flocculant> testing it yea
[20:17] <flocculant> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/369/builds/141376/testcases/1628/results
[20:17] <wxl> might not be a terrible idea
[20:17] <flocculant> though when I first talked to ra about this he mentioned trying to make sure the autotest covered what was breaking
[20:18] <wxl> i've never really grokked the whole autopkgtest system. not to say i can't, but just never took the time
[20:18] <wxl> merge requests would be the way to resolve such issues/
[20:19] <flocculant> well yea after working out what was breaking and how to test it :D
[20:24] <wxl> where's the project on lp?
[20:29] <flocculant> not a clue
[20:29] <wxl> fooey
[20:29] <flocculant> has auto in the name so I ignore it ;)
[20:29] <wxl> well if you figure that out, let me know
[20:30] <flocculant> wxl: not likely to unless I actually went looking or asking - which you could do as well :)
[20:30] <flocculant> if it was some manual testing type thing I'd likely know
[21:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (yakkety-proposed/main) [12.0.3-1ubuntu2 => 12.0.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core, xorg)
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mesa (xenial-proposed/main) [11.2.0-1ubuntu2.2 => 12.0.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core, xorg)
[22:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted alsa-lib [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.3-4]
[22:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted alsa-lib [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.3-4]
[22:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted alsa-lib [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.3-4]
[22:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted alsa-lib [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.3-4]
[22:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted alsa-lib [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.3-4]
[22:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted alsa-lib [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.3-4]
[22:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted alsa-lib [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.3-4]


 I'll try that in minutes, just need to cool down.. It's very hot outside
[14:08] <elacheche> Kilos, wassup!
[14:08] <Kilos> lol nothing man, you are too tired
[14:10] <elacheche> :(
[14:11] <Kilos> haha
[14:14] <Kilos> sometimes i sit and think, other times i just sit
[14:18] <elacheche> :D :D Relaxing is good :)
[14:21] <Kilos> lol
[15:34] <lunapersa> hi Kilos !
[15:34] <Kilos> hi lunapersa  how are you today?
[15:34] <Kilos> thank you for joining the mailing list
[15:35] <lunapersa> :)
[15:35] <lunapersa> i'm fine
[15:35] <lunapersa> i'm happy because it's weekend
[15:35] <lunapersa> :D
[15:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:36] <Kilos> fr me its always weekend
[15:36] <lunapersa> :)
[15:39] <lunapersa> it's summer :D
[15:39] <Kilos> yes you so luckt, we are cold now
[15:40] <Kilos> lucky
[15:40] <Kilos> i wonder if our bot knows the weather for you
[15:40] <Kilos> QA  forecast tunisia
[15:40] <QA> Kilos: Too many places match tunisia: Beja; Bizerte; Djerba Mellita; El Borma; El Kef; Gabes; Gafsa; Habib Bourguiba; Jendouba; Kairouan; Kasserine; Kebili; Kelibia; Medenine; Monastir Skanes; Nabeul; Remada; Sfax El-Maou; Sidi Bouzid; Siliana; Tabarka; Tataouine; Thala; Tozeur; Tunis-Carthage and Zaghonan Magrane
[15:41] <Kilos> oh my , which one do we choose lunapersa  ?
[15:42] <elacheche> QA forecast Sousse
[15:42] <QA> elacheche: Too many places match Sousse: Kairouan, Tunisia and Sousse, Tunisia
[15:42] <lunapersa> hahaha all
[15:42] <elacheche> QA forecast Tunisia Sousse
[15:42] <QA> elacheche: Too many places match Tunisia Sousse: Beja; Bizerte; Djerba Mellita; El Borma; El Kef; Gabes; Gafsa; Habib Bourguiba; Jendouba; Kairouan; Kasserine; Kebili; Kelibia; Medenine; Monastir Skanes; Nabeul; Remada; Sfax El-Maou; Sidi Bouzid; Siliana; Tabarka; Tataouine; Thala; Tozeur; Tunis-Carthage and Zaghonan Magrane
[15:42] <elacheche> QA help me with forecast
[15:42] <QA> elacheche: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about.  High: 31° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 23° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 31° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 23° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 27° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 22° C., Monday: Clear. High: 27° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 22° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 29° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 22° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 28° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low:…
[15:43] <elacheche> x)
[15:44] <Kilos> wow low of 23°c i wanna be there
[15:44] <Kilos> we been having lows down to 2°c already and worse to come
[15:44] <lunapersa> :))
[15:45] <Kilos> lunapersa  are you also a unity user?
[15:46] <lunapersa> yes
[15:46] <Kilos> shame
[15:46] <Kilos> thats only for clever people
[15:46] <Kilos> i use kde
[15:48] <elacheche> Am not a clever person than :D
[15:48] <Kilos> what do you use elacheche
[15:48] <lunapersa> :(
[15:48] <elacheche> Awesome wm :D
[15:48] <elacheche> http://awesome.naquadah.org/
[15:48] <Kilos> ive never even heard of that
[15:49] <elacheche> It's a light weight tilling windows manager :)
[15:49] <Kilos> eeeek
[15:49] <Kilos> i tried one of those kind of things once , i got totally lost
[15:50] <Kilos> easier for me to use 10 workspaces
[15:50] <elacheche> I use 9 :D
[15:50] <elacheche> Virtual one s: )
[15:50] <Kilos> i been thinking elacheche  about the interview thing, we can do it but we must also add other linux peeps as well
[15:51] <Kilos> yes lunapersa  you and i work the same
[15:52] <Kilos> so we can use belkies idea and add a bit on, what do you think
[15:53] <elacheche> Kilos, yeah sure :) I have an other interview questions too from interviews in my LoCo → Old interviews
[15:53] <Kilos> good
[15:54] <elacheche> Like this http://blog.nizarus.tn/2011/06/zied-est-un-utilisateur-libre
[15:54] <Kilos> because if you think about it, guys like stickyboy  only use ubuntu for servers
[15:55] <Kilos> where is the translate button
[15:56] <elacheche> in here https://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.nizarus.tn%2F2011%2F06%2Fzied-est-un-utilisateur-libre&edit-text=
[15:57] <Kilos> thats better ty
[15:57] <elacheche> :)
[16:01] <Kilos> you people are so lucky to have started young
[16:01] <elacheche> :)
[16:12] <Kilos> elacheche  encourage ahoneybun to start looking and playing with the map so long
[16:14] <Kilos> what is SELF?
[16:14] <elacheche> Kilos, I already did my best :) → I never force someone to do something, I just encourage him by telling him all the good tips to start discovering it.. After that if he don't like to do it so someone else will do :)
[16:15] <Kilos> aha
[16:50] <elacheche> GTG
[16:50] <elacheche> see you later Kilos :)
[16:50] <Kilos> go safe
[16:50] <Kilos> and be good
[16:50] <Kilos> ai!