[02:12] <chrisj> gedit
[12:29] <Hamder> Hello :)
[12:30] <Hamder> What size of flash drive should i use to install Ubuntu on ?
[01:10] <Hamder> nvm
[08:51] <evand> Is there any reason why we don't catch the "No space left on device" IOError and tell users that they've got a bad hard disk (or try to remount it rw and if it fails report it as a bad disk)?


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[00:00] <thumper> hazmat: the juju deployer uses python-jujuclient, yes?
[00:00] <hazmat> ues
[00:00] <thumper> good, so I'm fixing the right thing at least :)
[00:00] <hazmat> thumper: yes
[00:01] <hazmat> thumper: yeah i saw this over email
[00:01] <hazmat> i thought the traceback into tox was wierd..
[00:01] <thumper> me too
[00:02] <hazmat> thumper: the env variable its looking for is used by the unit tests  its trying to parse the jenv file to connect a client to the named test env
[00:03] <hazmat> but its unclear if the test code needs to be updated to the newer location, or just an issue with the tox config on passing that env var
[00:04] <hazmat> thumper: what version of juju is this?
[00:04] <hazmat> with the format change, trunk?
[00:04] <thumper> hazmat: nah, a feature branch right now, but trunk soon
[00:05] <thumper> soon meaning by the end of next week
[00:06] <thumper> hazmat: what happens when tox reads this?  {env:JUJU_TEST_ENV:"test"}
[00:06] <hazmat> thumper: hopefully the above is enough to find next steps, else if you want to me look and the branch is otherwise solid, i can take a look
[00:06] <thumper> as you can see, I did set that env var
[00:06] <hazmat> thumper: i assume tox sets that env var for the test, but its barfing it appears there
[00:06] <thumper> but the error says: unkown environment variable 'JUJU_TEST_ENV:"test"'
[00:07] <thumper> it appears to think everything after env: is the name of the env variable
[00:07] <hazmat> thumper: ask on openstack, much more tox experience floating around there
[00:07]  * thumper grumbles
[00:07] <thumper> ETOOMUCHELSEON
[00:07] <hazmat> thumper: or the tox docs, its not a tool i use
[00:08] <thumper> me neither
[00:08]  * thumper blames tvansteenburgh
[00:08] <thumper> the tox docs don't have anything like this
[00:08] <thumper> they specify hard coded values in all the tox examples
[00:08]  * thumper has already looked
[00:09] <hazmat> thumper: what happens when you remove that config entirely?
[00:09] <hazmat> re the env var
[00:09]  * thumper shrugs, didn't try
[00:09]  * thumper removes the default
[00:10] <hazmat> if that runs, then export the env var, and try invoking tox
[00:10] <thumper> ERROR: tox version is 1.6, required is at least 1.8
[00:10] <hazmat> pip -U install tox
[00:10] <thumper> hence it not knowing about that expression format I bet
[00:10] <hazmat> probably
[00:12]  * thumper hacks stuff...
[00:12] <thumper> Ran 22 tests in 0.143s
[00:12] <thumper> FAILED (errors=13)
[00:12] <thumper> some things to fix I guess
[00:12] <thumper> cheers
[00:12]  * thumper adds to the list of shit to fix
[00:15] <thumper> hmm...
[00:15] <thumper> fixed that bit
[00:15] <thumper> now it is just failing tests...
[00:15] <thumper> for different reasons
[00:25] <hazmat> thumper: got a pastebin?
[00:25] <thumper> for?
[00:26] <hazmat> thumper: errors in the tests
[00:26] <hazmat> failing test stdout/err
[00:26] <thumper> I now have four failures and three errors
[00:26] <thumper> I need to go through them to work out why they are failing
[00:26] <hazmat> thumper: k
[00:26] <thumper> some are due to different bits in juju
[00:26] <thumper> some seems to be just weird
[00:27] <hazmat> thumper: good luck, ping me if you want a second pair of eyes
[00:27] <thumper> ack
[00:27] <thumper> thanks
[00:32] <hazmat> Destreyf_: you should have a look at the source to my version to see how to configure lxc for flannel, you basically drop a config into /etc/default/lxc-net and /etc/lxc/default.conf
[00:32] <hazmat>  after reading the values from flannel's on disk state file
[07:13] <lukasa> jamespage: You about?
[11:57] <Odd_Bloke> Anyone around to help me debug a Nagios servicegroups problem?
[13:15] <Dong> hello all? need some light to understand what is the bootstrapper
[13:15] <Dong> and when I do manual targeting cloudstack, do I need to have one VM up and running and config it to be the bootstrap
[13:42] <Syed_A> Hello folks, I was wondering how the lxc template "juju-trusty-lxc-template" is generated ?
[13:43] <Syed_A> I want to change the "juju-trusty-lxc-template" before it is transferred to the target host for the lxc container. Is it possible to do it ?
[13:45] <tvansteenburgh> Syed_A: you could manually modify that template
[13:46] <Syed_A> tvansteenburgh: Before it get transferred to the target host ?
[13:47] <tvansteenburgh> Syed_A: while not bootstrapped, start and attach to it, make your changes, exit, then bootstrap
[15:49] <hazmat> Syed_A: its not transferred its built on the individual hosts
[15:49] <hazmat> Syed_A: specifically its using the lxc ubuntu-cloud template
[15:50] <hazmat> which is a script to create the actual lxc instance which is used as a template for other containers
[15:52] <Syed_A> hazmat: oh!, intersting. Do you know how can i manually create it ?
[15:53] <hazmat> Syed_A: log into to the host.. lxc create -t ubuntu-cloud -n juju-trusty-lxc-template    and pass additional options to the ubuntu-cloud template per taste... perhaps a better question is starting with why?
[15:56] <Syed_A> hazmat: I want all the containers to have 3 nics which gets ip from 3 bridges. And /etc/hosts file of the containers to have the host entry for juju api node.
[15:57] <Syed_A> hazmat: And i don't want to manually edit on every machine which is hosting containers.
[15:59] <hazmat> Syed_A: hmm.. you could also use manual provider, most of that config for is going to be the conf for each container, you could set it up in the template container. another option is to modify the lxc ubuntu-cloud template, or modify the lxc default template on each host.... nutshell if that's what you want your going to need to modify something on each
[15:59] <hazmat> host, be it lxc conf or templates, or juju.
[16:00] <Syed_A> hazmat: Allow me to explain my setup.
[16:00] <Syed_A> hazmat: I have 4 VM's
[16:01] <Syed_A> hazmat: deploy, alice, bob and charlie
[16:01] <Syed_A> hazmat: On deploy i have the juju gui and juju charms
[16:01] <Syed_A> hazmat: I want to start containers on alice, bob and charlie
[16:02] <Syed_A> hazmat: So i will just use juju deploy sevice-x --to lxc:1(alice)
[16:03] <Syed_A> hazmat: and it will deploy sevice-x in a container on alice.
[16:04] <Syed_A> hazmat: But by default, the container will take the ip address from lxcbr0 bridge. Which i can change by changing the bridge configuration inside /var/lib/lxc/conatiner-x/config
[16:05] <Syed_A> hazmat: I don't want to manually change the configuration on alice. I want to automate it. Such that whenever i add a machine to deploy lxc containers on it; all the containers use 3 bridges specified in the template for the container.
[16:06] <Syed_A> hazmat: So a modified template on alice goes in to /var/lib/lxc and all the new containers use this modified template.
[16:07] <jrwren> Syed_A: can you set your 3 interface network defaults in /etc/lxc/default.conf ?
[16:10] <Syed_A> jrwren: Let me give it a try.
[16:20] <hazmat> jrwren: +1 thats the solution imo
[16:20] <hazmat> alternatively on the juju-trusty-lxc-template
[16:28] <Destreyf_> hazmat: your charm works fantastic, but i learned a harsh reality, setting up a OpenStack cluster HA on 3 nodes won't work because you need floating ip's for the services such as Keystone, Cinder and others.
[16:28] <Destreyf_> the flannel charm
[16:49] <pmatulis> does 'juju generate-config' only work on linux? or windows as well?
[17:06] <Destreyf_> pmatulis: juju is mostly (if not all) python based, so it should work on windows as well
[17:09] <pmatulis> Destreyf_: ok, i'm wondering about the generation of boilerplate file and directory
[17:10] <Destreyf_> I haven't used juju on windows (yet) so i'm not certain on where it places files
[17:25] <lazyPower> Destreyf_: actually juju-core (which includes the client application) is Go based.
[17:26] <lazyPower> pmatulis: the generate-config works on windows as well. its part of our CI tests
[17:39] <pmatulis> lazyPower: thank you
[17:39] <lazyPower> pmatulis: no problem. are you going to be working primarily on windows?
[17:40] <lazyPower> pmatulis: if so, there is a native windows client for juju, and if you find that you *need* that touch of a posix environment we have both vagrant boxes and docker containers with an isolated juju client environment for you to use.
[17:42] <Destreyf_> lazyPower: You guys rock btw.
[17:45] <lazyPower> Destreyf_: well thanks :)
[17:45] <Destreyf_> lazyPower: I used juju a while back and had nothing but trouble, granted i knew it was an emerging concept and its gotten much better since then.
[17:46] <lazyPower> Destreyf_: we've put a lot of focus over the last year on user experience, focus on the charms and making them really useful
[17:46] <lazyPower> now that actions has landed you'll start seeing even better core concepts with charms that are well written. You'll no longer need to ssh into a server - just juju action do :)
[17:46] <Destreyf_> lazyPower: i can tell, its been a great experience so far, sadly doing something as foolish as attemping 3 node HA OpenStack doesn't seem to want to work :P
[17:47] <lazyPower> well, thats a tough cookie to begin with Destreyf_
[17:47] <lazyPower> HA anything can be problematic to model, let alone cramming services on a single machine
[17:47] <Destreyf_> lazyPower: so you can setup charms that don't actually deploy to servers right? kinda like when you setup hacluster to manage say keystone, it just does the local stuff for each instance
[17:47] <lazyPower> and openstack is far from simple
[17:47] <pmatulis> lazyPower: no, i am helping with the juju documentation
[17:47] <lazyPower> pmatulis: oh excellent!
[17:47] <lazyPower> pmatulis: we appreciate you :)
[17:48] <Destreyf_> lazyPower: OpenStack is amazing, in all honesty, but i've never gotten to actually play with a deployment of it before.
[17:48] <pmatulis> lazyPower: right now the generate-config just says that the linux dir/file is created - nothing on windows
[17:49] <lazyPower> pmatulis: it might be worth poking your head in #juju-dev, or reaching out over the list to get the specifics. I know the cloudbase guys listen to the juju list, and they are the resident experts on juju+windows
[17:49] <pmatulis> lazyPower: thanks for the tip
[18:29] <hazmat> Destreyf_: bummer re ostack ha and float
[18:30] <hazmat> Destreyf_: if you need something that can do more manual ip mgmt, there are other options (weave, and maybe socketplane), but not sure if that's going to play nice with ostack unless its plumbed into nova
[18:31] <hazmat> Destreyf_: we've got some folks around here though that probably could point you to a dev setup... typically we run it virtualbox registered into maas, and then a maas env on juju with the ostack charms
[18:33] <hazmat> pmatulis: on windows it goes to the user's HOMEDRIVE + HOMEPATH env var then .juju
[18:34] <pmatulis> hazmat: roger
[18:38] <Destreyf_> hazmat: that might be worth doing, i'm just already using VM's for my tests
[18:42] <pmatulis> hazmat: so the online docs are wrong then. they currently show
[18:42] <pmatulis> %LOCALAPPDATA%/Juju
[18:57] <jrwren> docs folks: https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/475
[18:59] <pmatulis> jrwren: is that the only docs file where outfile.name was used?
[19:01] <Syed_A> Can anyone please tell me how can i generate "juju-trusty-lxc-template" manually ?
[19:01] <jrwren> pmatulis: good question.
[19:02] <jrwren> pmatulis: yes, that is the only docs file where outfile.name was used.
[19:02] <pmatulis> jrwren: ok
[19:03] <Syed_A> jrwren: I can see 3 interfaces inside the containers but  the containers /etc/network/interfaces has congiguration only for eth0. eth1 and eth2 are not configured.
[19:03] <Syed_A> jrwren: *configuration
[19:04] <jrwren> Syed_A: for that you will need to update the -template :(
[19:04] <Syed_A> jrwren: I can set the other two nics by using "lxc.network.ipv4".
[19:05] <Syed_A> jrwren: Yes, i figured that but that's the problem i am trying to solve precisely :(
[19:06] <Syed_A> jrwren: By any chance do you know how can i generate "juju-trusty-lxc-template" manually ?
[19:06] <jrwren> Syed_A: not offhand. hazmat gave you some background on that already. More than I ever knew.
[19:07] <hazmat> Syed_A: lxc-create -t ubuntu-cloud -n juju-trusty-lxc-template
[19:08] <hazmat> Syed_A: to get all the options lxc-create -h and /usr/share/lxc/template/lxc-ubuntu-cloud -h  (last is from memory) there's one more script for common config.. don't have an ubuntu box handy to spot check
[19:09] <jrwren> /usr/share/lxc/hooks/ubuntu-cloud-prep
[19:09] <jrwren> I wrote a blog post on using -t ubuntu-cloud http://jrwren.wrenfam.com/blog/2015/05/26/ubuntu-cloud-image-based-containers-with-lxc/
[19:11] <jrwren> Syed_A: you can steal the cloud-init script to pass with -u by copying it out of /var/lib/cloud/instance/user-data.txt
[19:12] <jrwren> i don't think that varies by juju provider, but I could be wrong.
[19:12] <Syed_A> hazmat: creating it ...
[19:13] <Syed_A> jrwren: Cool, Reading it
[22:16] <therealmarv> Hi. I have a question. I’ve submitted a charm to my personal namespace 5 hours ago on trunk and it is not updated yet on https://jujucharms.com (it still shows the old revision) Did I missed a step beside pushing it to my repo? How long does it take. this ingestion process?


[03:06] <IrcsomeBot1> TheBlackCr was added by: TheBlackCr
 Hello guys
[03:47] <Joit> hello. why does add ppa's still not working at a fresh installed 18.04 ?
[03:49] <Joit> and dolphin is still for root disabled, how they already mentioned at certain posts
 I might have found a bug with Bluetooth audio....
 When you 1st pair your headset, you can play the sound from the volume control, but if you play audio through a browser, audio goes through the speakers
 It might be important if KDE mobile is going to be a thing.
[04:34] <dhahvhe> i was just on here??
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:02] <lordievader> JJ_4884, don't really think that is a bug. Why should a new audio device suddenly have priority above another.
[07:27] <IrcsomeBot1> Malkavien was added by: Malkavien
[08:19] <jackqi> hello
[09:42] <TomyWork> something is broken about the update notification thingy in plasma. yesterday, there were security updates waiting. today, without installing those updates, now suddenly there's twice the amount of updates waiting and, what's strange is, it's not flagged as security updates. all i did was install postgresql-10 and that only pulled in postgresql-common and sysstat
[09:43] <TomyWork> well the other option is that a security update got withdrawn or reclassified
[11:25] <jubo2> this is not healthy thing for a system to do
[11:26] <jubo2> 1MB / s scp:ing in a KDE Vault causes CPU to go 100% all of the time
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:35] <jubo2> the vault doing nothing is still sucking 100% of CPU
[11:51] <alkisg> Hi, does anyone know which settings file is created when one selects "autologin this user" in the installer? E.g. /etc/sddm/something.conf?
 Is there any interest in making Bluetooth headsets work in Kubuntu?
[12:18] <TomyWork> JJ_4884 I'm using a bluetooth speaker right now, via A2DP
[12:18] <TomyWork> if your headset supports that, you should be fine
[12:19] <TomyWork> assuming your computer's bluetooth chip is supported at all
[14:23] <jubo2> Uhh.. I guess I managed to corrupt this system too. Htop shows ~20% utilization rate, but the Resources Monitor plasma widget says it is ~100%
[14:28] <jubo2> now htop says 100% too
[14:28] <jubo2> 1MB / s write to a KDE Vault uses up all the processing power
[14:29] <jubo2> When it can normally go at 30MB / s and not using all of CPU
[14:39] <jubo2> I don't really see why there are ~ 10 threads trying to use the CPU when a single 1MB / s scp write is the only activity in the vault
[14:39] <jubo2> On a 2-core w/ hyperthreading this amount of threads is ridiculous
[15:04] <TomyWork> not sure if jubo2 is trying to get help or not
[15:19] <TomyWork> jubo2, do you actually have a question?
[16:58] <hankth89> I'm having some trouble with my displays. I have a laptop with a monitor plugged in through HDMI, and it was set to act like an extended desktop. I unplugged the HDMI and I still had an invisible extended desktop. Now that I have plugged the HDMI back in, I can't get an extended desktop. I can only set my laptop screen or HDMI-1 as my main display, and in either case I get the main display mirrored on the other.
[17:04] <hankth89> This is for Kubuntu 18.04, KDE Plasma Version 5.12.6. Unplugging / replugging in the HDMI, reboot, power off / power on, log off / log on hasn't helped so far.
[17:10] <CyberTails> Hi There. I'm trying to set a Resolution not listed by the OS by using .xprofile and every time I reboot. It ignores it and still gives me a 1024x768 setting
[17:11] <hankth89> Okay I figured it out. In System Settings -> Displays, there is a window with two display shaped icons. Their orientation on the screen represents your choice for how you want your displays to act. Somehow unplugging my HDMI cable last time caused them to move from being side by side to overlapping. I didn't realize how they worked, but now I do. Thanks
[17:11] <CyberTails> If it helps. I'm dealing with a VGA Connection\
[20:33] <lex_> hi guys, I have a problem with my wifi and would be glad if anybody could help me


[13:29] <flaccid> it can be any release up
[13:30] <flaccid> or down
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> thought it was release by release
[13:30] <untiled> ActionParsnip: i am on gubsty
[13:30] <flaccid> untiled, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes#From%207.10%20or%206.06%20LTS%20to%208.04%20LTS
[13:31] <EagleScreen> untiled to upgrade from gutsy to hardy do not do apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:31] <flaccid> yes dist-upgrade!
[13:31] <EagleScreen> dist-upgrade is for Debian, Ubuntu has its own upgrade method
[13:32] <flaccid> dist-upgrade will do the kernel and the userland just like debian
[13:32] <flaccid> EagleScreen, which method you talking about?
[13:32] <antar> плиз дайте русский канал
[13:32] <EagleScreen> untiled visit www.kubuntu.org and see how to upgrade from kubuntu gutsy to hardy
[13:32] <flaccid> !ru | antar
[13:33] <antar> пасиба
[13:33] <untiled> EagleScreen: ok i'm going
[13:42] <untiled> i'm tring (again) to install qtruby, i put ./configure and it start but when it check for X it escape with this error: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!   what it mesn?
[13:54] <sylarx> witam
[13:57] <s-casabrasil> a
[14:23] <csousa> hi, is possible to have root password (for sudo) but still have root login disabled (in su) ?
[14:29] <Kamajii> hi again... update to hardy completed.
[14:29] <lanoxxth> whats a good software to burn cd/dvd's
[14:29] <lanoxxth> ?
[14:29] <lumm> k3b
[14:30] <lanoxxth> ah thanks, i had that in mind, but couldn remember the name :)
[14:30] <lanoxxth> one more: i somehow disabled mediamanager? how can i reactivate it?
[14:31] <lanoxxth> when i go to systemmenu->storage media i get the message: "The KDE mediamanager is not running."
[14:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i set my hotmail-s emails to get to my kmail?
[14:32] <Kamajii> is there a preferred way to upgrade from KDE3 to KDE4 on hardy?
[14:35] <da1l6> Kamajii, KDE 4.0.5 packages are in the hardy backports, KDE 4.1 Beta2 packages are in a PPA http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.1beta2.php
[14:36] <Kamajii> or do I have to select all the kde4 packages manually?
[14:36] <da1l6> the meta package kubuntu-kde4-desktop should do the trick
[14:54] <sacarde> hi\
[14:54] <sacarde>  have a problem with kubuntu-ppc 8.10 alpha
[14:55] <sacarde> I download iso install
[14:55] <Pici> sacarde: Please join #ubuntu+1 then, #kubuntu only handles current versions, not the alphas
[14:55] <sacarde> ok
[14:55] <sacarde> thanks
[14:59] <LinuxWorld> is there a textbrowser, a lynx clone out there, specifically for linux?
[15:00] <Pici> LinuxWorld: lynx is for linux...
[15:00] <Pici> LinuxWorld: But theres also,links, links2, w3m
[15:00] <LinuxWorld> ah..ok i see...
[15:01] <LinuxWorld> i guess is the most mature of all?
[15:01] <LinuxWorld> i man lynx
[15:01] <LinuxWorld> i mean lynx
[15:03] <aljoscha> hoi
[15:04] <Dr_willis> I tend to use 'links -g 'at times
[15:04] <Dr_willis> or was it links2 -g... i forget. :)
[15:05] <LinuxWorld> its in the pools?
[15:05] <LinuxWorld> let me check
[15:06] <Dr_willis> !find links2
[15:06] <Dr_willis> !find lynx
[15:07] <LinuxWorld> got it
[15:12] <Nutubuntu> What can I do about a program that constantly goes zombie - other than not use it?
[15:12] <Dr_willis> what program is this Nutubuntu ?
[15:12] <CostaRicanQuaker> does gnu use the linux kernel?
[15:13] <Nutubuntu> Some browser called Firefox ... :/
[15:15] <Dr_willis> CostaRicanQuaker,  the 'gnu' home page mentions they are working on their own kernel. but i forget what it was even called. (hurd?)
[15:16] <Dr_willis> Most all Linux Distros use    a great many of the GNU tools. :)
[15:16] <Nutubuntu> I've found Firefox to be unstable, at best, under I believe four releases of Ubuntu/Kubuntu on two different boxes since about version 1.7 of Ff. I've r/o hardware and extensions and corrupt Ff profile ... what's left?
[15:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i cant say that ive had any issues with firefox in ages...
[15:17] <Kamajii> hi again... -_-
[15:17] <Kamajii> how to upgrade from KDE3 to KDE4 ?
[15:17] <CostaRicanQuaker> have you tried gnu dr willis?
[15:18] <Dr_willis> CostaRicanQuaker,  technically 'gnu' isent quite an OS..  its a work in progress. From what i recall from gnu.org
[15:18] <Dr_willis> I would say to go gnu.org and read up on it
[15:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> so it-s just a bunch of tools?
[15:19] <Dr_willis> I would say to go gnu.org and read up on it
[15:19] <Dr_willis> For the most part.. yes.
[15:23] <CostaRicanQuaker> is fluxbuntu very different from the rest of the buntus or is it just my perception?
[15:24] <Dr_willis> It should be  Ubuntu - gnome + fluxbox
[15:24] <Dr_willis> the various *buntus are the same foundation.
[15:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> so i can also install it like xubuntu?
[15:25] <CostaRicanQuaker> Dr_willis, have you tried fluxbuntu?
[15:25] <Dr_willis> if the fluxbuntu guys got the repos set up right you proberly can
[15:25] <Dr_willis> I tried it .. and dident find much point in it.
[15:25] <Dr_willis> If i want fluxbox.. i will install fluxbox
[15:26] <CostaRicanQuaker> was it faster than xubuntu?
[15:26] <Algyz> Hi, how to use administrator mode in kde4 system settings?
[15:27] <Dr_willis> CostaRicanQuaker,  xubuntu uses the full xfce desktop. fluxbuntu - i think just uses fluxbox. Not sure what file manager it even used. I doubt if speed will be noticeablly different on any mondern machine
[15:27] <Dr_willis> I am currently using 'jwm' and the 'rox' desktop/file manager.
[15:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:57] <tzd> how often does kernel update please?
[15:57] <duccio> Hi all..i'm an informatic engineer and i want help open source? what can i do?
[15:58] <Algyz> everything ;)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> duccio, what help do you need for open source ?
[16:00] <duccio> :) i think i can write code, or resolve bugs
[16:00] <DrSilent> a good start would be to look at sourceforge
[16:00] <DrSilent> plenty of open source projects there
[16:01] <duccio> ok...and what to help ubuntu / kubuntu development?
[16:05] <duccio> where is the starting point?
[16:08] <LinuxWorld> 10 PRINT "Hello World"
[16:08] <LinuxWorld> 20 GOTO 10
[16:08] <LinuxWorld> 30 END
[16:08] <LinuxWorld> RUN
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> i also can write code
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> :-D
[16:09] <voice> infinite loop much?
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> haha, this was my first program ever--
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> on the C64
[16:09] <voice> kwl
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> if i remember it well....
[16:09] <LinuxWorld> :-D
[16:09] <voice> :D
[16:14] <tzd> hmm how do i change list of options that appear when i click the middle mouse button please? I've changed it in the past but now i can't find where i do it anymore :/
[16:14] <ubuntu> Bonjour
[16:14] <Algyz> !fr | ubuntu
[16:27] <Red_Wraith> Hello, everyone.
[16:27] <lucypher> Hi
[16:32] <lucypher> I'm actually thinking to "migrate" from Ubuntu to Kubuntu, the only thing that is blocking me is Adept
[16:32] <artur_> hello folks. That little battery showing the percentage of the battery, that use to be near the clock, is not there, i think that it wasn't initialized, what command should i use to init this?
[16:32] <jussi01> lucypher: you can run synaptic no probs on kubuntu
[16:32] <Red_Wraith> lucypher, you can install kde over ubuntu, and then you still have Synaptic.
[16:33] <jussi01> or just install synaptic...
[16:33] <lucypher> I find Adept really unusable and ugly (personal opinion) is there a valid alternative?
[16:33] <lucypher> ok
[16:33] <mitsarionas> artur_: i think it's guidance-power-manager
[16:33] <Red_Wraith> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9369 you can use this to install
[16:34] <lucypher> Can I change the update manager too?
[16:34] <Red_Wraith> ^ @ lucypher
[16:34] <artur_> mitsarionas: you were right!  Though I personally like the kubuntu auto updater better.
[16:37] <sigma_12> what about packagekit for kde?
[16:37] <Red_Wraith> Anyway, you'll still be able to run a GNOME session at worst, lucypher, it's in the login menu. So no problem!
[16:38] <sigma_12> they should just replace adept with it
[16:38] <Red_Wraith> sigma_12: I never tried it. Does it come installed or should I get the package?
[16:38] <lucypher> sigma_12 : is there a packagekit for kde (qt)?
[16:39] <sigma_12> its still experimental.
[16:40] <sigma_12> yeah there is but its not in the ubuntu repos. the gnome version is in the repos
[16:41] <Red_Wraith> Ah well, if it's experimental I don't want it. I've had package managers that were STABLE seriously damage my system. Luckily I caught it before it deleted X and repair work was minimal.
[16:42] <Red_Wraith> Thank god the letter x is near the end of the alphabet, rather than the beginning...
[16:42] <sigma_12> just use apt-get. yeah its terminal but gets the job done by far the best way
[16:42] <coreymon77> adept mucks up to much
[16:42] <coreymon77> doing apt-get through terminal has the least chance of crashing
[16:43] <coreymon77> and it is adept crashing mid system upgrade that always sends my computer crazy
[16:44] <sigma_12> inventing adept was like re-inventing the wheel
[16:49] <Coggz> hi, I can't mount any removeable devices for some reason... I get this message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/
[16:51] <Coggz> anyhelp?
[16:52] <phoenixz> Is there a way I can configure beagle and updatedb to NOT start doing their updates simultaneously at 10 in the morning when I start my computer?? for the last 20 minutes, my laptop has had a load of 20... cant do a thing here..
[17:00] <utente> fgyfctt
[17:00] <utente> fgg+
[17:00] <utente> ghjj
[17:00] <Red_Wraith> Hello.
[17:00] <utente> salan
[17:03] <Coggz> I can't mount any removeable devices for some reason... I get this message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/
[17:16] <slimjimflim> anyone know where the kernel source directory is?
[17:18] <Red_Wraith> Do you mean where the compiled kernel is, or where the source code for the kernel is?
[17:19] <RurouniJones> and website spider programs on Kubuntu?
[17:34] <briggzer> hello everyone, any ideas on installing audio drivers for Reltek AC97 onboard sound. Hardy 8.04 64bit? i thought it was already installed but no sound??
[17:35] <Red_Wraith> Sound drivers are a bit faulty on 8.04. Try searching the ubuntu forums
[17:35] <Red_Wraith> !ubuntu-forums
[17:36] <Red_Wraith> http://ubuntuforums.org/ so much for fancy AI.
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> !ubuntu forums
[17:37] <briggzer> thanks. i've been looking online through google all morning then i remembered about irc, now forums.. duh.
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> !ubuntuforums
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> There we go.
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> Yeah, anyway, there
[17:37] <Red_Wraith> 's a lot of discussion on soundcards there.
[17:38] <briggzer> what about installing thunderbird?
[17:39] <briggzer> i downloaded it.. now I haven't used any linux for well, five years now... but I forgot how to install.
[17:39] <Jucato> briggzer: open up Add/Remove Programs, search for Thunderbird, select, and install
[17:39] <briggzer> i didn't see it there.
[17:39] <Red_Wraith> Try Synaptic.
[17:39] <Red_Wraith> Also, did you activate the restricted repositories?
[17:39] <Jucato> or Adept Manager. or the command line. whatever you do, you don't need to 1) download from their website or 2) compile :)
[17:39] <Jucato> Red_Wraith: they would be enabled by default
[17:40] <briggzer> Jucato, that's right. see. I forgot how everything works.. i did download already, I was just looking to get installed.
[17:40] <briggzer> thanksx.
[17:40] <Red_Wraith> Right, I meant enable "universe".
[17:41] <Xlexic> Does anyone know when KDE5 will release for Kubuntu?
[17:41] <Xlexic> And how much it will cost?
[17:42] <Xlexic> (I mean in memory and MB requirements, not $ of course)
[17:42] <mkargar> hello:how to use debian testing package(for install latest package) in kubuntu?
[17:42] <coreymon77> kde5?!
[17:43] <coreymon77> 4's not even completely stable yet
[17:43] <wad> Hi, guys. Yesterday I watched a co-worker (who is on Vista) do an ALT-TAB. The OS brought up a bunch of windows, tipped at an angle in 3d, and let him page through them until he found the app he was looking for. It was very cool, and looked very useful. When I do ALT-TAB all I get is a list of icons with textual descriptions. Is there any hope of an improved interface sometime soon?
[17:43] <Xlexic> Anyone here from Shiraz?
[17:44] <coreymon77> thats called vista's cheap ripoff of mac os' expose function
[17:44] <Xlexic> coreymon77: No. Windows Vista is less proprietary than Mac.
[17:44] <wad> coreymon77, Okay, sure. Micro$oft always steals good ideas. My point is that I was wanting that function on my beloved Kubuntu. :)
[17:45] <Xlexic> wad: It's just really pathetic how you use a $ sign in your name. And by the way, I'm pretty sure you can enable it using Compiz-Config-Settings manager and use Super+Tab
[17:45] <Jucato> wad:  only if you use Compiz or KDE 4's effects
[17:46] <wad> Ah, okay, cool. Thanks, guys!
[17:46] <Xlexic> Np. Windows still owns.
[17:46] <Jucato> hm..
[17:46] <coreymon77> wad: you realize that what you saw vista do was pretty much just eye candy, the function is the same
[17:46] <wad> Xlexic: You object to my $pelling of Micro$oft with a dollar sign? Ooooh, I'm sooo soooory....
[17:46] <wad> coreymon77, no, the function is not the same.
[17:47] <wad> coreymon77, what I saw showed the actual window contents. What I see requires a mapping of the icon to what I remember of the window contents.
[17:47] <Xlexic> Xlexic: Yeah, that | through it normally refers to money, hence it shows the lack of your primary education
[17:47] <coreymon77> wad: i know what you mean, ive seen it, its a mix of alt+tab and mac os' expose
[17:47] <Jucato> coreymon77: different effect
[17:48] <buntfalke> hi
[17:48]  * Xlexic has Microsoft's latest fire extinguisher just in case of a flame war.
[17:48] <coreymon77> Jucato: it is eyecandy for the most part though
[17:48] <coreymon77> not that i have anything against eye candy
[17:48] <Xlexic> Mac OS Expose is a rip off of compiz.
[17:48] <Jucato> still different. and let them decide what they want
[17:48] <Jucato> Xlexic: Expose came first
[17:48] <buntfalke> how can i restore the home folder of my main-user like it looked right after installation?
[17:48]  * Red_Wraith gets popcorn and gets ready to watch the show.
[17:48] <wad> I guess I'm in the habit of spelling Micro$oft like this to expose my opinion that the company is all about making money, regardless of negative impact to the industry.
[17:48] <coreymon77> Xlexic: hes telling the truth
[17:49] <Jucato> so let's stop talking about which OS ripped which. this is #kubuntu not #discuss-this-or-that-OS
[17:49] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: what does it look like now?
[17:49] <coreymon77> but, who doesnt rip stuff off from other people
[17:49] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: who cares.
[17:49] <coreymon77> everyone rips off everyone else
[17:49] <wad> Every GUI is a rip off of Xerox PARC. :)
[17:49] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: different. crap inside. still operational though, of course.
[17:49] <Jucato> buntfalke: you ask a question, someone asks for a clarification, andyou answer "who cares"?
[17:49] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: I don't know how to help you if I don't have enough info. What did it look like, and what does it look like now?
[17:50] <wad> Actually, when there are standards of functionality that work, everyone benefits. Especially when it has to do with usability.
[17:50] <coreymon77> wad: check compiz, maybe it can do it, otherwise, look around
[17:50] <wad> What if the car manufacturers had patented their UI, and didn't let anyone else do things the same way?
[17:50] <buntfalke> Uh, it's like this: I made a backup of another system, installed kubuntu, copied that backed up data into that home folder, and now i want to delete it again, and restore the .bashrc and what so ever else to the state it looks like just after installation
[17:51] <buntfalke> so.
[17:51] <buntfalke> i suppose i delete all the folder contents.
[17:51] <buntfalke> and then what does the installer do besides the bare creation of that user?
[17:51] <wad> One car would have a steering wheel on the right side, with knobs for acceleration, and a lever for a brake. Another would have to do something different, and have a central driver seat, with buttons for brakes, and a knob for the gas. Others would have bicycle pedals for the gas, and the steering wheel on the ceiling... you see my point?
[17:51] <buntfalke> would a simple deluser && adduser do the trick?
[17:52] <Jucato> wad: enough, ok?
[17:52] <buntfalke> (I still dont know why you needed to know what's in there?)
[17:52] <wad> My point being that "rip offs" regarding UI are beneficial.
[17:52] <wad> Okay, I'll go away.
[17:52] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: yes, a new user has a clean home folder.
[17:52] <Jucato> wad: enable desktop effects, ask in #compiz-fusion for that effect
[17:52] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: thanks. so the installer does no more than "adduser" as well?
[17:52] <wad> Jucato: Thanks.
[17:53] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: I didn't need to know what's in there, but I needed to know exactly what your problem was. I though it could be a problem with the icon, for example.
[17:53] <buntfalke> nono
[17:54] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Right, I get it now, I was just clarifying.
[17:54] <buntfalke> Hm. Next question would be, if i delete the entire home/user folder, and as user is my "main" user, i will get into trouble doing that deluser adduser thing
[17:54] <buntfalke> i mean...i need to log in after all
[17:54] <buntfalke> hm
[17:54] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: are you in gnome or kde?
[17:54] <buntfalke> uh - terminal if needed :-)
[17:54] <buntfalke> i dont mind
[17:55] <buntfalke> kde, since i am in #kubuntu
[17:55] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Right, it's just not all people here are, surprisingly.
[17:55] <buntfalke> i could give root a login shell, log in as root, deluser, rm -rf the home/user folder, adduser, and relogin, and set nologin shell for root again
[17:56] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Anyway, go to System Settings>user management.
[17:56] <buntfalke> oh. never heard of that.
[17:56] <Red_Wraith> And that'll make life much easier for you.
[17:56] <buntfalke> but wont that run into trouble, when i delete the home dir it is belonging to?
[17:56] <buntfalke> hmm
[17:56] <Red_Wraith> First make the new user, and then log in as him, and then delete the old one.
[17:57] <buntfalke> well. i want to recreate the _same_ user
[17:57] <buntfalke> oh. wait. i need another user anyway, and even if not, it would still be esentially the same problem
[17:57] <buntfalke> s/problem/method/
[17:57] <buntfalke> good idea
[17:57] <Red_Wraith> There is no difference between users in linux. As long as you don't have any data you want in the old account, there's no trouble.
[17:58] <buntfalke> well, except for the name, hm? ;-)
[17:58] <Red_Wraith> If there is data, move it to the new user, and then delete everything else in the old one's directory.
[17:58] <buntfalke> i want to keep that name.
[17:58] <buntfalke> anyway, i get the idea of using this gui thingy...let's see if it works cleanly.
[17:59] <Red_Wraith> If you really want to, you can make a new user, delete the old one, and then make another new one with the old name.
[17:59] <buntfalke> yes, that's what i am going to do
[17:59] <Red_Wraith> Okay, good luck. I hope I was of help.
[17:59] <buntfalke> as for root rights, the password of the root user is simply set to the same as the this "main" user, right? so i wont trash my root login by deleting that?
[17:59]  * buntfalke doesnt like this whole sudo and nologin for root anyway
[18:00] <buntfalke> although...might be good for novices so they dont forget to logout after su and dont trash the system every 5 minutes :-D
[18:00] <Red_Wraith> right, since in linux there is no user who is Root/Administrator. You just type the root password.
[18:01] <Red_Wraith> Also, it prevents viruses: nothing can do anything to the system without the password.
[18:01] <Red_Wraith> And the password times out, so there is basically no window of opportunity for a program to do damage.
[18:03] <Red_Wraith> This is because UNIX was built for mainframes with many terminals, and the creators didn't want the crash of a single terminal to mess up the whole system, so system files and personal data are unrelated. That is different from DOS in which the modification of system files by user-end programs is routine, since it was designed for easy to use personal computers.
[18:03] <Red_Wraith> Sorry for the rant.
[18:08] <Coggz> any one who can help
[18:08] <coreymon77> depends on what the problem is
[18:10] <coreymon77> Coggz: tell us what your problem is and we will see if we can help
[18:10] <Coggz> ok, to do with hal i think. various usb removable drives error when i try to mount
[18:10] <Coggz> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
[18:10] <Coggz> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[18:10] <Coggz> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[18:10] <Coggz> dmesg | tail or so
[18:10] <Coggz> like so...
[18:11] <Red_Wraith> Coggz, did you try typing dmesg | tail into console?
[18:12] <Coggz> yes
[18:12] <Red_Wraith> What did you get?
[18:12] <wad> How do I tell what version of kubuntu I'm running?
[18:13] <Jucato> wad: "lsb_release -a"
[18:13]  * wad tries
[18:13] <wad> thanks!
[18:13] <Coggz> ok...
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 2001888 512-byte hardware sectors (1025 MB)
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.312000]  sdb: sdb1
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.316000] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[18:14] <Coggz> [ 1740.316000] sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[18:14] <coreymon77> !pastebin | Coggz
[18:14] <Coggz> no one else in channel, so if you dont mind, no pastebin
[18:14] <Jucato> we do mind
[18:15] <Coggz> i have been tring to fix for 4 hours,
[18:15] <Coggz> i have work to do...
[18:15] <SidStudios> Anyone know where I can get Ubuntu Goatse Gibbon?
[18:15] <Red_Wraith> Coggz, are you running KDE?
[18:15] <Coggz> i will next time
[18:15] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: "[19:00] <Red_Wraith> right, since in linux there is no user who is Root/Administrator. You just type the root password." wrong
[18:15] <Coggz> yes
[18:15] <jaakkome> who's the no one else who's not here
[18:15] <SidStudios> I need it because Hairy Hardon won't install my Wireless drivers
[18:16] <coreymon77> SidStudios: and what drivers are those?
[18:16] <buntfalke> Red_Wraith: traditionally you have a dedicated "root" user! just ubuntu doesnt have that. and i kinda gives me the creeps. just as this gui for user administratoin. i do that in the terminal now. there it works as i want it to at least :-)
[18:16] <SidStudios> coreymon77: BCM4311 (Broadcom
[18:16] <Coggz> why do you say goatse?
[18:16] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: to elaborate : go into console and type sudo, and when you give the root password, you can run the program as root.
[18:16] <Coggz> anyways, any one able to decipher/fix my probleM?
[18:16] <coreymon77> SidStudios: and youre telling me that the bcn43xx stuff wont work?
[18:17] <buntfalke> what kind of confused me was, that sudo doesnt want to know the root pwd - it wants to know the pwd of the current user
[18:17] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Well, did your new user work?
[18:17] <buntfalke> how wierd is that...
[18:17] <SidStudios> coreymon77: Yes, Gutsy had an inbuilt utility inside the restricted drivers manager. This is on my laptop next to me
[18:17] <buntfalke> well - the new user works - but deleting hte old one using gui doesnt.
[18:17] <SidStudios> I'm on Fedora on this one
[18:18] <buntfalke> which doesnt raise my trust in gui administration tools. just as this network manager which just didnt want to create the freaky default route until i rebooted the whole system which reminded my of windows :-)
[18:18] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: you need to click the administrator mode to delete users in the gui.
[18:18] <buntfalke> of course.
[18:18] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: yet another security measure.
[18:18] <Red_Wraith> buntfalke: Did you click it before you tried deleting?
[18:18] <buntfalke> then it asks me the question wether i wanna delete the home folder and the group as well, i agree, and nothing happens :-)
[18:19] <buntfalke> sure i did.
[18:19] <buntfalke> red frame around it all
[18:19] <buntfalke> well...terminal will do. i dont care.
[18:19] <Coggz> OK, I cant be bothered anymore, i will just reinstall and start again
[18:19] <Red_Wraith> Hmm... Hang on. I'll try it... Have a useless user anyway.
[18:19] <Red_Wraith> dunno, worked for me.
[18:19] <buntfalke> naa, i go back there now, fix that crap, and be done with this notebook from now on. i wont ever see this box again anyway.
[18:19] <buntfalke> well. didnt for me.
[18:20] <buntfalke> just deleted the data, but not the user.
[18:20] <davide> quit
[18:20] <Red_Wraith> You might have accidentally unchecked the second box.
[18:20] <Red_Wraith> Oh well, the command line works, right?
[18:20] <Red_Wraith> So no problem.
[18:21] <Coggz> can someone please help...
[18:21] <Red_Wraith> Coggz, if you're running kde, the windows partition can be mounted in a different way.
[18:23] <Coggz> i dont think you understand, i cant mount any usb device... only as root. It sticks up that message then does nil all
[18:23] <Red_Wraith> Oh...Sorry, I thought you had a different problem. Well, yours is a bit cryptic, so I'm afraid I probably can't help. Sorry.
[18:23] <Coggz> do you understand the problem?
[18:24] <Coggz> oh
[18:25] <Coggz> ok, what are you like with apt problems
[18:26] <coreymon77> !ask | Coggz
[18:26] <Red_Wraith> Hey, does anyone know where KDE's system:/media is located in the main filesystem?
[18:26] <Coggz> ok, tzdata wont configure and has stopped apt from working
[18:27] <Coggz> yes, /media/
[18:27] <Red_Wraith> No, it isn't. That's what confuses me.
[18:27] <coreymon77> any error message coggz?
[18:27] <Coggz> yes, 1 mo
[18:28] <Coggz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24520/
[18:29] <coreymon77> ouch
[18:29] <Coggz> ya
[18:29] <coreymon77> sorry, i have no clue
[18:29] <Coggz> i cant install anything
[18:29] <coreymon77> thats beyond my knowledge
[18:30] <Coggz> kk
[18:32] <Red_Wraith> Coggz, did you try the ubuntu forums?
[18:32] <Red_Wraith> !ubuntuforums
[18:32] <LordTaeleon> heyo
[18:32] <LordTaeleon> anyone home?
[18:32] <Red_Wraith> Yeah.
[18:32] <LordTaeleon> :D
[18:33] <LordTaeleon> I've just loaded kubuntu on my laptop and I'm trying to figure out how to get the beast online
[18:33] <LordTaeleon> I've just go no idea how it works :P
[18:33] <LordTaeleon> I'm a n00b XD
[18:33] <Red_Wraith> So uh, anyone know where Kubuntu's system:/media is on the root filesystem?
[18:33] <Red_Wraith> LordTaeleon: What exactly is the problem?
[18:35] <Coggz> !util-linux
[18:36] <LordTaeleon> Anyone around for Networking support?
[18:36] <Red_Wraith> LordTaeleon: What exactly is the problem?
[18:37] <LordTaeleon> here or PM?
[18:37] <Red_Wraith> Anywhere you like.
[18:38] <LordTaeleon> kk
[18:38] <LordTaeleon> quite simply
[18:38] <LordTaeleon> I don't know what I'm doing
[18:38] <Red_Wraith> Alright. Now, did you try running a browser?
[18:38] <LordTaeleon> ok.... I'm not bad lol
[18:40] <Red_Wraith> LordTaeleon: Try running a browser, your connection may have been setup automatically.
[18:40] <LordTaeleon> lol
[18:40] <LordTaeleon> it didn't
[18:40] <LordTaeleon> What I'm trying to figure out is how to manually set up the connection
[18:40] <Red_Wraith> Okay. That's settled. Now, go to System>Administration>Networking.
[18:42] <LordTaeleon> mmm - I would have expected to automatically pick up that its plugged into the router :S
[18:42] <LordTaeleon> but nothing is there at all
[18:51] <helpy> can i use xfce with ubuntu ?
[18:51] <helpy> gnome and kde both are tooo heavy
[18:51] <helpy> i want it to be lightening faast
[18:51] <dwidmann> helpy: feel free
[18:51] <dwidmann> helpy: also try fluxbox :)
[18:51] <helpy> i hate kde's slow stuff
[18:51] <helpy> you use fluxbox ?
[18:52] <jussi01> !xubuntu
[18:52] <helpy> i know about xubuntu
[18:52] <jussi01> !fluxbuntu
[18:52] <jussi01> :)
[18:52] <helpy> hehe thanks
[18:52] <helpy> my kubuntu has done me bad.
[18:52] <jaakkome> Amarok (xine engine) doesn't work with alsa anymore. ("xine was unable to initialise any audio drivers"). What's up with that?
[18:52] <helpy> i installed it three times in 48 hours and updated
[18:52] <helpy> jaakkome try vlc
[18:52] <helpy> forget amarok :)
[18:52] <Coggz> can you help me fix a problem with mounting usb devices. None will mount unless im root. How can i fix this?
[18:53] <Coggz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/
[18:53] <dwidmann> jaakkome: try closing amarok, deleting your ~/.xine folder, and restarting amarok
[18:54] <dwidmann> helpy: I would say I use fluxbox on occasion
[18:54] <helpy> what do you use mainly ?
[18:54] <helpy> gnome or kde ?
[18:54] <dwidmann> kde :)
[18:54] <jaakkome> dwidmann: didn't seem to work
[18:54] <helpy> i hear kde4 is future and it gives me goose bumps
[18:55] <dwidmann> it is the future, but it looks like it's hitting every pothole on its long road to becoming ... but that's okay ... so long as it gets there eventually
[18:56] <dwidmann> jaakkome: one sec while I dig up the bug on it ...
[18:56] <dwidmann>  bug 68187
[18:58] <jaakkome> dwidmann: that doesn't seem to be it. I can use OSS on Amarok and the xine player thing doesn't work with alsa either.
[19:02] <dwidmann> jaakkome: that bug seems to be a recurring one with possibly multiple causes. I thas been open/confirmed for two whole years now
[19:02] <dwidmann> well, I lied
[19:02] <dwidmann> not two whole years ... but working on it
[19:04] <desmond> hey
[19:04] <desmond> im not new to linux but its my first time on kubuntu
[19:04] <desmond> any programs or codes to run to make it better?
[19:05] <tcpsyn> Is the PPA repo hosed at the moment?
[19:05] <desmond> ppa?
[19:05] <coreymon77> desmond: run better? could you be any more descriptive?
[19:05] <desmond> to run to make it better
[19:05] <desmond> e.g. like get firefox or epiphany over konq
[19:06] <desmond> or get vlc media player
[19:06] <tcpsyn> desmond, yeah, http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[19:06] <coreymon77> erm
[19:06] <desmond> oh i know that one
[19:06] <coreymon77> hardy wasnt released with kde standard
[19:06] <desmond> i know
[19:06] <coreymon77> i mean
[19:06] <coreymon77> kde4
[19:06] <coreymon77> typo
[19:06] <desmond> i tried the kde4 only install
[19:06] <desmond> but it didnt work
[19:07] <coreymon77> desmond: im taking it you dont know what apt is correct?
[19:07] <desmond> no i do
[19:07] <desmond> i know how to get the stuff
[19:07] <desmond> im just wondering if theres anything i should do or missed
[19:07] <coreymon77> so, install firefox, and vlc
[19:07] <coreymon77> using apt
[19:07] <desmond> i did
[19:07] <coreymon77> simple
[19:08] <desmond> those were examples
[19:08] <desmond> cause you didnt understand what i was saying
[19:10] <apachelogger> hm
[19:10] <coreymon77> so, what are you saying
[19:10] <apachelogger> desmond: I take it you think firefox is better than konqueror
[19:10] <desmond> no
[19:10] <apachelogger> and vlc better than $xinebackend
[19:10] <desmond> i think epiphany is better
[19:10] <apachelogger> well
[19:10] <apachelogger> my point is
[19:10] <apachelogger> that is YOUR opinion
[19:10] <desmond> well let me rephrase
[19:10] <apachelogger> I could tell you install lynx, it makes browsing way faster
[19:10] <desmond> what are YOUR opinions
[19:11] <apachelogger> which would be a very valid suggestion
[19:11] <desmond> epiphany is the fastest ive seen
[19:11] <desmond> lynx you say?
[19:11] <desmond> ima going to see
[19:11] <apachelogger> desmond: epiphany, as in the current version is _as_ fast _as_ firefox
[19:11] <apachelogger> it's using the very same rendering engine
[19:12] <desmond> but it seems less bloated]
[19:13] <coreymon77> so, what is it that you are looking for desmond?
[19:13] <desmond> idk
[19:14] <phiberoptik> salon kubuntu français svp??
[19:14] <coreymon77> !fr | phiberoptik
[19:14] <phiberoptik> merci
[19:14] <katka> je tu nekdo z ceské republiky
[19:15] <katka> CZE
[19:15] <coreymon77> !cz | katka
[19:15] <desmond> oh come on
[19:15] <apachelogger> hm
[19:15] <desmond> i was about to get that
[19:15] <apachelogger> #kubuntu - gateway to the languages :D
[19:15] <coreymon77> :)
[19:16] <desmond> hey
[19:16] <desmond> how do i change stuff in the kde menu
[19:17] <desmond> nvm got it
[19:27] <andriijas> does kopete work with kubuntu and kde4?
[19:37] <ScorpKing> hi guys. is there a way to use a html page as the background in kde3?
[19:37] <dwidmann> andriijas: last i checked, yes
[19:38] <mot> kde4-config
[19:38] <mot> is supposedly in kde4libs-dev
[19:38] <mot> i don't see it.
[19:38] <ScorpKing> hiya dwidmann :)
[19:38] <shane__> hey is kde4 more stable yet
[19:39] <dwidmann> How's it going ScorpKing?
[19:39] <dwidmann> shane__: it's working on it, kde 4.1 beta 2 has made nice progress.
[19:39] <dwidmann> shane__: and 4.1 should be released in about 3-4 weeks
[19:40] <shane__> another 3-4
[19:41] <shane__> k ill wait a month and then put it in
[19:41] <neospd> Who can help me to install Ati HD 2400
[19:42] <neospd> please write me to private
[19:42] <neospd> Who can help me to install Ati HD 2400
[19:43] <coreymon77> umm, install a hard drive?
[19:43] <coreymon77> just stick the thing in the computer
[19:43] <coreymon77> and format it
[19:43] <coreymon77> oh wait
[19:43] <coreymon77> thats a vid card
[19:43] <coreymon77> whoops
[19:43] <coreymon77> hehe
[19:43] <dwidmann> I wonder if
[19:43] <dwidmann> !ati
[19:43] <dwidmann> would be useful
[19:45] <neospd> i read many manuals, try it, not good results
[19:45] <neospd> (sorry for my bad english)
[19:46] <neospd> i need help
[19:46] <neospd> in ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:47] <neospd> help
[19:50] <neospd> Please enybody help me! Big trouble with Ati HD2400 ! In ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:51] <neospd> Please enybody help me! Big trouble with Ati HD2400 ! In ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:53] <neospd> Please enybody help me! Big trouble with Ati HD2400 ! In ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:54] <mot> what's the latest version of kde in the 8.04 repos?
[19:54] <neospd> yes
[19:54] <imboscat> Blender expert needed , when i use blender 2.46 i can't use button N to set transition effect...
[19:55] <neospd> blinking Blender, Wine, Cedega
[19:55] <neospd> but all visual Gnome Extra effects is working
[19:56] <dwidmann> neospd: maybe something along the lines of sync to vblank would help if such a thing is available and presently turned off
[19:56] <neospd> screen resolution OK, ver. Ati card - True
[19:57] <neospd> what i must to do
[19:57] <neospd> screen very hard blinking
[19:58] <neospd> how I can remove blinking?
[19:59] <neospd> Please enybody help me! Big trouble with Ati HD2400 ! In ubuntu all works very good, but no good working OpenGL programs - Image Blinking
[19:59] <LordTaeleon2> THANKS RED_WRAITH!!
[19:59] <LordTaeleon2> Anyone else around for an evil networking issue?
[19:59] <Red_Wraith> Bye.
[20:00] <Red_Wraith> Try #ubuntu also.
[20:00] <Coggz> hi all
[20:01] <dwidmann> !repeat | neospd
[20:01] <LordTaeleon2> anyone available for an evil networking issue?
[20:01] <dwidmann> LordTaeleon2: what sort of evil networking issue?
[20:03] <cap|com> is someone here using a "Acer Travelmate 6592G" notebook with kubuntu? are there some known problems concerning hardware/bios/etc?
[20:04] <psycose> is it possible to get a deb package for gcc-4.3 in hardy ? thanks
[20:05] <Coggz> ok, i have a problem with mounting usb removable drives... http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/ is the error message i get when i try to mount. This applies to many devices, not just one stick. Anyone got any ideas??
[20:07] <ijacek> !cz
[20:08] <tkostov> Hi all! I`ve installed kubuntu but decided to put the ppa repo for kde 4.1 so I`ve puted it into sources.list and apt-get update && upgrade but i`ve recived the following error
[20:08] <francarlos> alguem do brasil pode me dar uma ajuda?
[20:08] <ubunturos> !br
[20:08] <tkostov> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa8_i386.deb (--unpack):
[20:08] <neospd> how i can disable full screen redirect?
[20:08] <tkostov> so i don`t know how to fix and contue upgrading
[20:09] <tkostov> the last time - for 5 ot 6 days i found something in google but now i can`t
[20:09] <tkostov> any ideas
[20:10] <Coggz> ok, i have a problem with mounting usb removable drives... http://paste.ubuntu.com/24499/ is the error message i get when i try to mount. This applies to many devices, not just one stick. Anyone got any ideas??
[20:17] <dwidmann> Which package would /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname be setup by?
[20:20] <afakan> selam
[20:21] <afakan> wine konusunda yardımcı olabilecek war mı?
[20:21] <afakan> hi how is install wine emulator?
[20:22] <emilsedgh> afakan: go to menu->System ->Adept Manager
[20:22] <emilsedgh> afakan: and search for wine
[20:22] <emilsedgh> and right click on it
[20:22] <emilsedgh> and press install
[20:22] <emilsedgh> !tr | afakan
[20:22] <RiCi12> or
[20:22] <rockprincess> hi guys! i have a HUGE problem, since I ran the apt updates today, my xserver has restarted AUTOMATICALLY (without me doing anything) three times now.....out of the blue....any ideas?
[20:22] <RiCi12> sudo apt-get install wine
[20:23] <afakan> what name is ubuntu turkish room name?
[20:23] <Schorfi> #ubuntu-tr
[20:24] <afakan> ......
[20:25] <afakan> ...
[20:25] <sourcemaker> does kubuntu use an open source cms to provide all the information on there homepage?
[20:26] <jussi01> sourcemaker: ask ryanakca
[20:26] <sourcemaker> ryanakca: does kubuntu use an open source cms to provide all the information on there homepage?
[20:37] <rockprincess> hi guys! i have a HUGE problem, since I ran the apt updates today, my xserver has restarted AUTOMATICALLY (without me doing anything) three times now.....out of the blue....any ideas?
[20:37] <WaY> hello
[20:37] <WaY> does anybody knows how to fit the transition to libplasma2 when installing a new widget?
[20:37] <WaY> all widgets depends on libplasma1
[20:37] <asraniel_> hi there. is there a way to delete the stored passwords for a certain wireless network from network manager?
[20:40] <Nece228> i tweaked my kubuntu and now it uses 90 mb of ram :]
[20:41] <Nece228> now kde 3.5 uses less memory than xubuntu
[20:42] <dwidmann> Nece228: so what all did you change?
[20:43] <Nece228> turned off some daemons
[20:43] <tdn> I want to run a script each time a USB storage device is inserted. Can you help me on how to approach this?
[20:43] <dwidmann> I think I'm sitting at 680MiB
[20:45] <asraniel_> anybody knows where knetworkmanager stores it's config files?
[20:46] <rockprincess> asraniel_: probably .kde/apps/share/config ?!
[20:47] <asraniel_> rockprincess: jeah just found it, thank you!
[20:47] <rockprincess> asraniel_: was it in there?
[20:48] <asraniel_> rockprincess: nearly
[20:49] <asraniel_> rockprincess: but i just saw that kwallet actualy stores the info i need, the network passwords
[20:49] <rockprincess> asraniel_: true, havent thought about it
[20:49] <asraniel_> rockprincess: and that kwallet has an interface to delete modify all stored passwords!
[20:49] <rockprincess> yeah
[20:52] <Nece228> if u wanna check ur ram usage a good tool is conky, sudo apt-get install conky
[21:00] <s-casabrasil> join #debian-br
[21:03] <briggzer> has anyone else had trouble with snd and  nVidia High Definition Audio MCP51 ??  I tried ubuntu forum to no avail, I've been looking in forums and researching all day, still haven't found any fixes... any ideas?
[21:07] <liam> Hi all
[21:09] <dwidmann> briggzer: I'd start here: nvidia hda mcp51
[21:09] <dwidmann> crud, wrong copy+paste
[21:09] <dwidmann> http://www.google.com/search?q=nvidia%20hda%20mcp51&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[21:09] <dwidmann> there we go
[21:12] <_dennister> how do i enable the libapache2-mod-auth-mysql module? sudo a2enmod ???
[21:15] <_dennister> i've tried almost everything i can think of, and while docs tell u how to enable mod_ssl, it doesn't tell me how to enable the libapache2-mnod...
[21:22] <TCA> hi..
[21:22] <pim> What does this mean: cp: omitting directory `/home/pim/Gedownload/Kalmah - For The Revolution/' ?
[21:27] <ryanakca> sourcemaker: yes, we use Drupal
[21:28] <sourcemaker> ryanakca: thanks
[21:28] <sourcemaker> ryanakca: is drupal better than ezpublish? any experience?
[21:31] <mitsarionas> hi
[21:33] <mitsarionas> does anyone have a problem with (gtk apps i think) checkboxes?
[21:34] <mitsarionas> like in firefox, when i tick a checkbox it becomes highlighted but the tick inside doesn't show :(
[21:35] <tom__> i have a problem with the radio buttons
[21:35] <tom__> if they're focused, they disappear completely
[21:35] <__kamz> i have a similar problem with the checkboxes - can't seem to fix them using the system settings
[21:36]  * tom__ is heading for bed
[21:36] <tom__> it took me 5 bloody (realy bloody) hours to set up vmware server
[21:37] <mitsarionas> :(
[21:37] <mitsarionas> i think it only happens when using qtcurve
[21:39] <__kamz> yeah i noticed that too - but with other styles things look REALLY weird, so i left it as it was
[21:41] <Nece228> i used qtcurve an had no problems
[21:41] <mitsarionas> do you use gtk apps?
[21:41] <Nece228> yeah
[21:41] <[Relic]> Just made a new install on a new HD, is there a way to copy *ALL* information from the old HD to the new HD instead of having to reinstall everything?
[21:41] <LiNuxBaBe> i'm running kubuntu 8.04,, installed ndiswrapper,, but if I try to connect with wifi-radar he won't get an ip-adress.. Dmesg output says ndiswrapper:: key 1 not set
[21:42] <mitsarionas> :S
[21:43] <Nece228> but when i installed my first gtk app i had polyester style
[21:44] <mitsarionas> polyester doesn't seem to have any problems...though i dig qtcurve more...
[21:44] <mitsarionas> have you changed any options in qtcurve?
[21:45] <dennis_p> i can move windows from one desktop to one of the other 4.
[21:45] <__kamz> no, all qtcurve options are default
[21:45] <__kamz> you're right though, seems to work okay with polyester
[21:45] <dennis_p> anyone know if i can drag a window from one display to another?
[21:46] <mitsarionas> :S anyway..gotta go...
[21:46] <mitsarionas> cya
[21:46] <Nece228> bye
[21:46] <__kamz> cheers
[21:46] <Nece228> i like polyester style
[21:46] <alexei_> Hi, I am new to kubuntu. How do I install lyx-1.5.5 from hardy-backports?
[21:47] <Nece228> its clean and beatiful in same moment, and i like button animations of polyester :]
[21:47] <__kamz> its alright, but i'm kind of attached to qt after all this time
[21:50] <Nece228> i still see problems watching youtube in konqueror or opera or any other qt based web browser
[21:50] <Nece228> in firefox everythinks fine
[21:50] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: common problem...
[21:51] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: 32bit? or 64?
[21:51] <Nece228> 32 bit
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: try this: download the tarball from adobe (http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz) and extract it. but ignore the instructions. i will tell you what to do...
[21:52] <tom__> what can i use to view .wmv files?
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> tom__: kaffeine
[21:52] <whileimhere> hi. Is there any real difference between synaptic and Adept Updater? What if I have started with one and switch to the other?
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> tom__: but first install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:53] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: i think i tried this type
[21:53] <Odd-rationale> whileimhere: no, they are both frontends to apt
[21:53] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: have you extracted it already?
[21:53] <whileimhere> ahh okay
[21:53] <whileimhere> Thanks!
[21:53] <Nece228> yeah
[21:53] <tom__> thanks
[21:53] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: yes
[21:54] <whileimhere> Is Super Karamba worth using as a panel alternative?
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> Nece228:  ok. now create a folder ~/.netscape/plugins
[21:54] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: i tried this type
[21:54] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: but it didnt help
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: ok. didn't work?
[21:54] <blistov_> arg. i have a bcm4310, using the b43-fwcutter.  It WAS working, until I reinstalled it, and now i get a bunch of errors during modprobe, with regards to wl: unknown symbol bcm_x.x.x
[21:54] <blistov_> any ideas?
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: what dod you do after that?
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> did
[21:55] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: well, when i had installed from that, youtube worked, but when i restarted computer it dont worked again
[21:56] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: hmm. did you put the libflashplayer.so in the ~/.netscape/plugins folder?
[21:57] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: yeah, i did everythink good
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: you still there?
[21:57] <tom__> Odd-rationale:  worked just fine ... it seems firefox has a few problems with opening files
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> ok
[21:57] <tom__> thanks again
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> tom__: np
[21:58] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: as i sayd after your instructions everythink worked fine, until i restarted computer
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: then went to konqueror --> settings --> configure konqueror --> plugins and made sure that $HOME/.netscape/plugins was on the top of the list. and then scanned for new plugins?
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> did you do that?
[21:59] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: yes, i did that correctly
[21:59] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: hmm. did you go to the plugins tab and make sure that it shows that it detected the plugin?
[22:00] <Nece228> yes it detected
[22:00] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: hmm. dunno. that *should* work...
[22:00] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: sayd that there is netscape plugin or somethink
[22:04] <blistov_> anyone?
[22:04] <blistov_> wl bcm43xx driver not working.
[22:04] <blistov_> after reinstalling.
[22:04] <blistov_> unknown sybols for all sorts of stuff.
[22:05] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: are you using bcm43xx or b43 ?
[22:05] <dwidmann> "[16:54] <blistov_> arg. i have a bcm4310, using the b43-fwcutter.  It WAS working, until I reinstalled it, and now i get a bunch of errors during modprobe, with regards to wl: unknown symbol bcm_x.x.x" if it's not broken ... don't fix/reinstall it?
[22:08] <Freddy2> hi
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> !hi | Freddy2
[22:09] <Freddy2> anyone not being able to make a multiple file selection (non contigous) in konqueror @ kde 3.5.9? (hardy)
[22:09] <Freddy2> is there any way to fix this?
[22:09] <Freddy2> thx
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> Freddy2: use ctrl
[22:10] <Freddy2> i mean, having problems when using ctrl xD
[22:10] <basy> hi, which ICQ client can send and recive files ? on kubuntu KDE 3.5.9.. ?
[22:10] <Odd-rationale> basy: kopete ?
[22:10] <Odd-rationale> Freddy2: why? what happens?
[22:11] <blistov_> dwidmann_laptop: thats not really an answer at all.
[22:11] <Freddy2> if you make a multiple selection with shift then you can unselect with ctrl, but from scratch if you try to make a multiple selection with ctrl it simply selects the second file, and unselects the first one
[22:11] <blistov_> thats just being a dick, and there's nothing constructive about that.
[22:11] <basy> Odd-rationale: i can't send file with kopete, only kopete on KDE 4.... can send files :(
[22:12] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: are you using bcm43xx or b43 ?
[22:12] <blistov_> either or.
[22:12] <basy> Odd-rationale: and licq can't connect :(
[22:12] <blistov_> doesn't matter.
[22:12] <Odd-rationale> Freddy2: hmm. it shouldn't be that way. idk...
[22:12] <Freddy2> sure
[22:12] <blistov_> Odd-rationale:  both seem to give me the same error
[22:13] <Odd-rationale> basy: dunno then... kde4.1 will be out soon...
[22:13] <Freddy2> i can try to disable compiz.. it may be the problem, but..
[22:14] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: you can try deleting the files in /lib/firmware. and cutting the drivers again....
[22:14] <sinan> hi
[22:14] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: then unload and try reloading the module.
[22:14] <sinan> I need a good image viewer for my kubuntu
[22:14] <blistov_> Did that.
[22:15] <sinan> any suggestions?
[22:15] <blistov_> Odd-rationale:  Also reinstalled the kernel modules
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> sinan: gqenview
[22:15] <Freddy2> gwenview
[22:15] <sinan> Odd-rationale: I didn't like gwenview
[22:15] <Freddy2> you can try digikam
[22:16] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: what is the driver supposed to be called?  The kernel comes with a bcm43xx.ko as well, and I do not see a new one, after installing bcm43xx-fwcutter
[22:16] <Odd-rationale> Freddy2: thanks for correction...
[22:16] <sinan> Freddy2: Ok I will try
[22:16] <sinan> Freddy2: I need a basic image viewer like Gnome has
[22:16] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: also be aware tha you can only have one of the bcm34xx, b43, or b43-legacy loaded at a time
[22:16] <Freddy2> simple viewer? kuickshow, or kview
[22:17] <sinan> Freddy2: Ok
[22:17] <sinan> Freddy2: Kview, sounds good ^^
[22:17] <EagleScreen> hello people, i have a camera that uses USB Mass storage, for copy photos to computer, it works in Ubuntu and als in Debian+KDE, but not in Kubuntu
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: b43-fwcutter is the newest. bcm43xx is being depreciated...
[22:17] <edju> What's the kde equivalent of gnome's "System → Administration → Device Manager"?
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> edju: kmenu --> system --> kcontrol
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> ?
[22:19] <EagleScreen> in Ubuntu anjd debian, dmesg attach a disk dev as sdd1 to the camera, in Kubuntu dmesg does not it
[22:24] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: I completely removed bcm43xx-fwcutter and b43-fwcutter, as well as the respective firmware, then reinstalled b43-fwcutter, and cut the firmware. the b43.ko was created, but when i modprobe it, no device appears.
[22:24] <blistov_> Any ideas?
[22:26] <alexei_> hi
[22:26] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: did you remove all the other modules? bcm43xx and b43-legacy?
[22:26] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: you are checking with iwconfig? correct?
[22:26] <blistov_> yes.
[22:26] <blistov_> and yes
[22:27] <Freddy2> there are other 2 "yes" remaining XD
[22:27] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: then try removing the b43 module (sudo modprobe -r b43) and loading the b43-legacy module
[22:27] <dennis_p> sinan: only gwenview has proper fullscreen simple picture display without stupid borders.
[22:27] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: stil no dice.
[22:27] <blistov_> neither driver registers with any hardware.
[22:28] <blistov_> Its a broadcom bcm4310
[22:28] <blistov_> WAS working.
[22:28] <blistov_> And I'm still getting the unknown symbols for wl:
[22:29] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: then you might have to try using the bcm43xx-fwcutter. you wont have to uninstall b43 or remove the files in /lib/firmware. just make sure you don't have both modules loaded and it should be fine...
[22:30] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: also, be aware that b43-fwcutter and bcm43xx-fwcutter have different wl_apsta.o files that they cut...
[22:31] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: when I install the bcm43-fwcutter, it does not create a ko
[22:32] <Odd-rationale> here is the file i use for my BCM4306: http://xeve.de/down/wl_apsta.o
[22:32] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: you mean when you cut the firmware it doesn't create the file?
[22:32] <blistov_> It doesn't create a bcm43xx.ko
[22:32] <blistov_> there is one that ships with the 2.6.24-19-generic kernel.
[22:33] <blistov_> the bcm43xx-fwcutter simply cuts the firmware.
[22:33] <blistov_> modprobeing the driver ... does nothing.  a strace shows that its not even probing for hardware.
[22:34] <blistov_> Odd-rationale: i'm starting to suspect my wireless card is being retarded.
[22:35] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: could be... is it built in? usb? or pcmia?
[22:35] <blistov_> usb, internal.
[22:35] <blistov_> brand new laptop.
[22:35] <blistov_> worked until this morning
[22:35] <Odd-rationale> brand new? cool! what laptop did you get?
[22:36] <blistov_> New HP pavilion dv2500.  turion 64 x2 tl-62 2.1GHz, 4GB ram at 1666, 1666 fsb, 320GB 7200RPM
[22:37] <blistov_> I think the dv2500 line is the only laptop worth buying right now.
[22:37] <blistov_> Only $900
[22:37] <blistov_> CAD
[22:37] <blistov_> only qualm i have is with the broadcom wireless.
[22:38] <DarkriftX> yuck
[22:38] <DarkriftX> 34xx?
[22:38] <Odd-rationale> 43xx
[22:38] <DarkriftX> er,m, yeah
[22:38] <blistov_> Yea, makes me angry
[22:38] <DarkriftX> fingers moving too fast
[22:38] <DarkriftX> thts what i have
[22:39] <blistov_> I don't want to use ndis, cause I need promisuous mode.
[22:39] <blistov_> and ndis doesn't recover well from s3 states
[22:39] <hyper_ch> hiho, I just tried compiz on kde 3.5.x on hardy.... works so far except, that I can't move applications to "different" desktops
[22:39] <Odd-rationale> my broadcom works just fine...
[22:41] <Odd-rationale> blistov_: pretty slick looking laptop though. I want to get a new one.  When i recently started my computer my HDD configuration was totally screwed up... all my harddrives had new names and that *** up my fstab, what gives? Can i specify my hdd names anyway? I had just added a new harddrive to the fstab but not much else had been done to the system
[22:45] <blueray> hey guys
[22:45] <blueray> is netfilter the ip list firewall for kubuntu?
[22:47] <rbrunhuber> I have a oddness I cannot surf but chatting over kopete works fine. I use hardy and connect to unsecured wlan via knetworkmanager.
[22:47] <Nece228> ive installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:47] <Nece228> and java works only in firefox
[22:47] <Nece228> what i need to do that itll work on konqueror?
[22:48] <rbrunhuber> name resolution works find because i can ping most pages via hostname
[22:49] <blistov_> arg, this is making me insane.
[22:49] <blistov_> neither the bcm43xx or b43 will work.
[22:50] <blistov_> i'm wondering if they don't work with an updated version of wireless tools or the2.6.24-19 kernel.
[22:51] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: in Settings --> configure konqueror --> java, try enabling the use kio checkbox. then restart konq. But even then, it doesn't work 100%. so... use firefox... :)
[22:51] <blueray> is netfilter the ip list firewall for kubuntu?
[22:52] <ImperialJester> Odd-ratinale beat me to it...
[22:52] <afakan> selam
[22:52] <Odd-rationale> ImperialJester: :P
[22:53] <afakan> how is setup wine?
[22:53] <afakan> pls help me
[22:53] <afakan> i see in the folder more files
[22:53] <ImperialJester> How to set up wine?
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> !wine
[22:53] <afakan> yep
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> see also #wine
[22:53] <afakan> ow ow ow ty
[22:53] <shadshodao> hi aLL
[22:53] <afakan> ubottu:)
[22:54] <Odd-rationale> !thanks | afakan
[22:55] <blistov_> http://pastebin.com/m44c08bcd
[22:55] <blistov_> thats my dmesg output when the b43 driver tries to load
[22:55] <blistov_> or rather, ieee80211
[22:55] <Colonel_Panic> hey everyvody
[22:55] <Colonel_Panic> I'm having some trouble with Firefox
[22:56] <ImperialJester> What's the problem?
[22:56] <Colonel_Panic> Youtube videos and other Flash content won't play all the way through
[22:56] <Colonel_Panic> it starts, gets a few seconds in then stops
[22:56] <ImperialJester> Connection...?
[22:56] <Odd-rationale> Colonel_Panic: maybe it is you internet connection...
[22:57] <ImperialJester> Is it just laggy, or has it been like this for the last 30 years?
[22:57] <Colonel_Panic> it looks like it's still streaming the information, but the Flash content doesn't continue playing
[22:57] <Colonel_Panic> no, it isn't my Internet connection
[22:57] <Odd-rationale> ImperialJester: great mind think alike, eh?
[22:57] <Colonel_Panic> this just started after I did the most recent Adept updates
[22:58] <ImperialJester> yeah.
[22:58] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: i actually need a path where is java installed
[22:58] <ImperialJester> hrm...
[22:59] <Colonel_Panic> guess maybe I'll try rebooting?
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: try "which java"
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> in terminal
[22:59] <Colonel_Panic> the same thing happened before when I upgraded to Firefox 3
[22:59] <ImperialJester> Can someone please tell me how to get my nick a different color?
[23:00] <alexei_> hello, what is the status/policy with hardy-backports? I want to pull newer lyx-1.5.5 from there, but aptitude wants toupgrade QT as well. I fear dll-hell...
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> Colonel_Panic: that is done in you irc client....
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> your
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> whoops
[23:00] <Colonel_Panic> what?
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> ImperialJester: i mean...
[23:00] <ImperialJester> okay.
[23:00] <Colonel_Panic> yeah change it in your settings
[23:00] <ImperialJester> Thanks.
[23:00] <Colonel_Panic> anybody haver any other ideas?
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: wassup?
[23:01] <Colonel_Panic> Youtube videos and other Flash content won't play all the way through
[23:01] <Colonel_Panic> it starts, gets a few seconds in then stops
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: what broswer and what architecture?
[23:01] <Colonel_Panic> it looks like it's still streaming the information, but the Flash content never resumes playing
[23:02] <Colonel_Panic> Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:02] <tabe3> hello
[23:02] <Nece228> Odd-rationale: thanks mate, now its working
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: what architecture?
[23:02] <Colonel_Panic> I'm running an Intel CoreDuo Extreme
[23:03] <tabe3> my kubuntu installation freezes at 91% in vbox. i have tried vmware along with redownloading from 3 diff mirrors
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> ASUS mobo
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> 2GB RAM
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> Nece228: np
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: is it 64bit
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: and are you running 64bit linux
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> yes
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: grab nspluginwrapper
[23:03] <Colonel_Panic> Kubuntu Hardy
[23:04] <Colonel_Panic> sudo apt-get install?
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: indeed
[23:04] <ImperialJester> yes
[23:05] <Colonel_Panic> E: Couldn't find package nspluginwrapper
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924
[23:05] <Odd-rationale> ugh. i'm getting bad lag... :(
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: thats what i used
[23:05] <ImperialJester> isn't it nds?
[23:05] <ImperialJester> ndspluginwrapper
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: basically you'll install firefox32 and flash
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> Colonel_Panic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=649216
[23:08] <tabe3> its stuck again at 91%
[23:09] <ImperialJester> Woo, I got it.
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> ImperialJester: all good?
[23:09] <ImperialJester> All good.
[23:09] <ImperialJester> Nuu, it's still not the right color.
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> ImperialJester: sweet dude
[23:10] <ImperialJester> Got it?
[23:10] <ImperialJester> Yeah.
[23:11] <ImperialJester> I'm trying to remember this one linux OS...
[23:11] <tabe3> anybody? why does installation of hardy freezes at 91% in virtual box and vmware 6.5
[23:11] <ImperialJester> It's one you pay for
[23:11] <ImperialJester> How many times have you tried it?
[23:11] <tabe3> lindows
[23:11] <ImperialJester> No...
[23:12] <tabe3> 4 th time now
[23:12] <ImperialJester> Hrm. That happened to me before, but on the 3rd time, it worked.
[23:12] <tabe3> i am using alternate install 386
[23:12] <tabe3> my comp is q6600 , 2gb, vista 32 bit host os
[23:13] <tabe3> i have tried with VT enabled/disabled both
[23:13] <ImperialJester> I can't give you a decent answer, but I'm sure someone can. I'll keep looking.
[23:13] <tabe3> imperial
[23:13] <tabe3> what worked vbox or vmware
[23:13] <Arianna> with a system that has windows installed on it, the dos command to format the disk is fdisk - what is the equivalent for a system that has kubuntu installed on it?
[23:14] <tabe3> fdisk is to partition
[23:14] <tabe3> format is for formating
[23:14] <tabe3> commandline.org has list of shell commands
[23:14] <afakan> how is setup wine?
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> linux format == mke2fs
[23:14] <afakan> turkish language?
[23:14] <engineer> !tk
[23:14] <engineer> !tu
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> !wine | afakan
[23:15] <afakan> who is say me wine setup with turkish language?
[23:16] <ImperialJester> okay, so to set up a permanent nick, I just type the command in here, right?
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> !register | ImperialJester
[23:17] <afakan> me?
[23:17] <ImperialJester> !register | ImperialJester
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> afakan: follow the guide above that i sent you
[23:19] <afakan> i am registered now how is enter my nick password?
[23:20] <afakan> i dont use wine:(
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> afakan: entering your pass is detailed in the link
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> does anyone have a koolu system?
[23:28] <afakan> what is turkish ubuntu room name?
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> afakan: id bring up the room list
[23:29] <afakan> how is?
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> afakan: what irc client do you use?
[23:31] <Walzmyn> camorama says it cannot find my camera on /dev/video0 - but skype is working just fine with the camera - how do i get camorama to play nice?
[23:31] <afakan> kubuntu
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: what device does camorama use?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> afakan: no, thats you operating system, what do you use to chat on irc?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> afakan: konversation? xchat? pidgin?
[23:32] <Walzmyn> apparently it wants /dev/video0 but all it does it give me a warning box that says it cannot find the camera and then closes, ActionParsnip
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: so both use /dev/video0
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: im not asking what your cam is mapped to. im asking what config both apps use
[23:34] <Walzmyn> ActionParsnip, that's actualy part of my question, I cannot find the config for camorama
[23:34] <afakan> konversation
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: im not familiar with either app
[23:34] <afakan> kubuntu-konversation
[23:35] <Walzmyn> ActionParsnip, me neither, really, installed both yesterday
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> afakan: better, ok if you look at the top where it says Server. room  list is there
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/dlls
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/documentation
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/fonts
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/include
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/libs
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/loader
[23:35] <Walzmyn> afakan don't spam the channel like that
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/programs
[23:35] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/server
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: if camorama expects /dev/cam0 for example, you can create a symlink
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/tools
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/aclocal.m4
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/ANNOUNCE
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/AUTHORS
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/ChangeLog
[23:36] <Walzmyn> What is he doing?
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> afakan: dont flood dude
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/configure
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/configure.ac
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> Walzmyn: i have no idea at all
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/COPYING.LIB
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/LICENSE
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/LICENSE.OLD
[23:36] <Walzmyn> i don't think he does either
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/Make.rules.in
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/Makefile.in
[23:36] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/README
[23:37] <afakan> /home/afakan/Masaüstü/wine-0.9.55/VERSION
[23:37] <afakan> list is where?
[23:37] <afakan> sudo apt-get install wine
[23:37] <afakan> i am write but
[23:37] <afakan> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:37] <afakan> i dont install wine
[23:37] <afakan> i must find ubuntu turkish chat room:(
[23:37] <Walzmyn> !turkish | afakan
[23:37] <afakan> ty ubottu
[23:38]  * Walzmyn grins
[23:39] <nicolasvenegas> hola a tod@s
[23:39] <nicolasvenegas> peimera vez
[23:39] <nicolasvenegas> por aca
[23:39] <nicolasvenegas> algun chileno
[23:40] <Walzmyn> !sp | nicolasvenegas__
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> !es
[23:41] <Walzmyn> yeah, yeah, i realised that as soon as i did it
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[23:41]  * ActionParsnip takes a cookie
[23:41] <engineer> sp?
[23:41] <engineer> as in spain
[23:42] <engineer> i think he was from chile
[23:42] <Walzmyn> well, i'm typing wiht a 6th month old in my lap
[23:42] <engineer> nice
[23:42] <engineer> he should feel your heat
[23:42] <engineer> and sleep more confortable
[23:42] <compilerwriter> Anybody here bought a Dell with Kubuntu preloaded on it?
[23:43]  * Walzmyn bought a real computer: thinkpad
[23:43] <dunas> Ok, I just plugged in a Plantronics headset, stereo and microphone, to the digital jacks on the back of my computer. While the headset works perfectly for audio, the microphone doesn't appear to be detected by Kubuntu. Is there some way to fix that?
[23:44] <Walzmyn> dunas, is the mic not ditected or is the mic muted?
[23:44] <Walzmyn> dunas, i know it gets muted alot to prevent feedback when you boot up
[23:44] <dunas> Walzmyn: I just plugged it in, I haven't rebooted since, but when playing Team Fortress 2 the microphone didn't respond to Mic Testing.
[23:45] <Walzmyn> dunas, have you used another mic with the computer?
[23:45] <dunas> Walzmyn: No, never.
[23:45] <Walzmyn> dunas, check kmix and make sure it's not muted there.
[23:46] <Walzmyn> dunas, they do that so folks don't fire the computer the first time and get serious feedback
[23:47] <dunas> Walzmyn: Aha.
[23:48] <blistov_> Aw fuck.
[23:48] <dunas> Walzmyn: Thanks
[23:48] <blistov_> bcm43xx relies on softmac, which ubuntu has officiall depricated.
[23:48] <blistov_> wtf.
[23:48] <blistov_> that means everyone with a bcm43xx usb card, is fucked.
[23:51] <NickPresta> !ohmy | blistov_
[23:52] <Walzmyn> dunas, did that fix it?
[23:55] <dunas> Walzmyn: I think so, logging into TF2 to make sure.
[23:56] <derdui> Hi, dieas anybody know howto convert hexcodes in normal text?
[23:57] <KRF> derdui, start python
[23:57] <KRF> type: print 0xFF
[23:58] <derdui> ok, so i type in python my hexcode, and type print to convert KRF ?
[23:59] <KRF> derdui, heh. no. first start python, then type: "print 0xFF"
[23:59] <KRF> thats all


[16:57] <juliux> hi
[16:58] <juliux> does somebody has a link for me how to get a tablet pc working on jaunty? my xorg configuration from intrepid is not longer working
[16:59] <playya_> mom
[17:02] <juliux> i have copied the 10-wacom.fdi file allready into /etc/hal/policy/
[17:09] <playya_> can't find one either :(
[17:09] <playya_> juliux, maybe they're all in belgium?
[17:10] <juliux> or are sleeping after the platform sprint;)
[17:11] <juliux> if i run xxd /dev/ttyS0 and then move the stylus i see some output;9
[17:13] <playya_> and what about xev?
[17:14] <juliux> no reaction if i use the pen
[17:15] <playya_> mom. should i write a short prog which shows what is happening on /dev/ttyS0?
[17:16] <juliux> if you have time;)
[17:17] <playya_> ok. install gcc ;)
[17:20] <juliux> done;)
[17:23] <playya_> your connection 1: me 0
[17:24] <juliux> 16mbit;)
[17:38] <juliux> playya_: with my old xorg conf from my backup the tablet pc is working
[17:38] <playya_> ok
[17:38] <playya_> gcc gives me some strange errors