[00:10] <TortillaSandwich> are ubuntu installs encrypted by default now, btw?
[00:10] <wirehead> hello, does anyone know how to get Ubuntu's Image Viewer to view .png files
[00:10] <TortillaSandwich> io didn't see an option for that
[00:10] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, if you are going to install it, what do you mean not install it. If it already is installed it won't hurt anything.
[00:10] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: you can choose during partitioning
[00:10] <NoBugButFeature> TortillaSandwich, Yes they do, there is a manual partitioning option. What I do is I make a small partition and leave that for /home. It doesn't make a difference if your just using Ubuntu for it's OS, unless you are going to install a lot of apps.
[00:21] <TortillaSandwich> cool cool
[00:21] <TortillaSandwich> alright all looks good
[00:28] <TortillaSandwich> desktops come a long way since I last had it installed in 2012 lol
[00:30] <nr0q_radio> lol I never thought I'd own something with as much power as my Ryzen 5
[01:09] <Delicates> 20.04 installed on top of VMware. Has IPv6 addressing despite telling it to disable IPv6 during installation. How do you actually disable it?
[01:11] <webchat45> Hello, I hope this is the right channel for asking a networking  related question and someone can help me. I have a networking problem on Ubunutu 21.04 with the network manager icon always showing the wired connection symbol although wifi is connecting successfully to the router.
[01:12] <NoBugButFeature> webchat45, if you are having problems with connecting to the Internet do you have your router password set?
[01:13] <webchat45> NoBugButFeature yes!
[01:13] <NoBugButFeature> webchat45, please provide the password.
[01:13] <nr0q_radio> ughh what?
[01:13] <oerheks> ignore NoBugButFeature
[01:13] <NoBugButFeature> oerheks, I don't think he actually had a problem.
[01:14] <webchat45> ok :)
[01:14] <nr0q_radio> he's just asking why the icon indicates a wired connection vs a symbol for wireless
[01:14] <oerheks> NoBugButFeature please troll on an other network, you are warned.
[01:14] <NoBugButFeature> webchat45, the reason the network icon is indicating a wired connection is because the wired connection is being used in order to connect to the internet. Thats why the icon is showing a wired connection.
[01:15] <nr0q_radio> NoBugButFeature no he said he is connected to a wireless network you didn't read his OP very well
[01:15] <NoBugButFeature> nr0q_radio, webchat45 is trying to connect to an Ethernet port but his laptop has a wireless card.
[01:15] <oerheks> webchat45, here the wifi symbol appears, did you switch or used wifi only?
[01:15] <nr0q_radio> NoBugButFeature your not helping
[01:15] <NoBugButFeature> So what nr0q_radio what are you talking about?
[01:15] <webchat45> nr0q_radio yes, but internet is also not working. I can connect to the router via phone though
[01:16] <nr0q_radio> ok that's not what your post above said
[01:16] <webchat45> yes, sorry. maybe I was unclear.
[01:16] <NoBugButFeature> lol
[01:16] <nr0q_radio> are you using WPA2 or WPA3?
[01:16] <webchat45> WPA2
[01:16] <NoBugButFeature> Can you be more clear?
[01:17] <nr0q_radio> have you been able to connect previously to this wifi or is this the first time with this computer
[01:18] <webchat45> I was able to connect previously, yes.
[01:18] <webchat45> It think it could have been was messed up from installation of the protonmailvpn client
[01:18] <oerheks> rebooting a router sometimes helps strange connections issues
[01:19] <nr0q_radio> I'd start with rebooting the router like oerheks said
[01:19] <oerheks> oh, late info, protonmailvpn client
[01:19] <nr0q_radio> hmm, that'd certainly make things appear broke if it's trying to route every over the VPN when it doesn't have to
[01:20] <webchat45> I can connect to the router, according the network manager. but it shows the wired icon.
[01:20] <NoBugButFeature> webchat45, what do you mean by "network manager" ?
[01:20] <nr0q_radio> really?
[01:21] <webchat45> I uninstalled the vpn client with apt purge
[01:21] <nr0q_radio> does that help?
[01:21] <webchat45> no, same
[01:21] <NoBugButFeature> have you set static IP address in /etc/networking/interfaces ?
[01:21] <nr0q_radio> well probably not if he's using the gui network manager
[01:21] <nr0q_radio> but that vpn package might have have mucked up stuff
[01:22] <NoBugButFeature> oh lol
[01:22] <oerheks> i read no uninstall guide .. https://www.tecmint.com/install-protonvpn-in-linux/
[01:22] <NoBugButFeature> no uninstall guide but " sudo apt purge 'protonvpn*' "  worked for me
[01:22] <webchat45> yes, I think you are probably correct nr0q_radio
[01:22] <NoBugButFeature> but I'd remove protonvpn first since it probably did some damage
[01:22] <nr0q_radio> um he did
[01:25] <webchat45> Is it possible to reset the networking config to a state like when installing a new system ?
[01:25] <NoBugButFeature> what I did is removed vpn and then reinstalled
[01:26] <oerheks> kill switch https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-vpn-tool/#uninstall
[01:26] <oerheks> then remove cache and reboot?
[01:26] <webchat45> Yeah, this could have messed up the config.
[01:27] <webchat45> thanks oerheks I'll try to figure that out now.
[01:34] <webchat45> "nmcli c show" displays two pvpn entries: killswitch and ip6leak-protection
[01:35] <nr0q_radio> I'd remove those
[01:35] <webchat45> yep. have to figure out how to do that. rebooting...
[01:43] <webchat45> nr0q_radio oerheks I removed the still existent pvpn connections and this fixed it. I am so grateful for your help :)
[01:44] <webchat45> How can I thank you otherwise?
[01:44] <nr0q_radio> just pass on the wisdom when someone else needs it
[01:44] <webchat45> always :9
[01:46] <webchat45> You saved me so much trouble, thanks again and bye!!
[03:17] <morganu> OK while in zoom with THIS group (and not the zoom I was in this morning??) my microphone goes way down and stays there, If I move it up it jumps back down. Help me, please.
[03:33] <morganu> revise question because the zoom this morning was on my tablet.
[03:34] <morganu> My zoom mic keeps going to a low setting.
[03:35] <morganu> I dont use my mic for anything other than zoom
[03:39] <nr0q_radio> it's probably a zoom setting, do you have auto-level or whatever it's called enabled?
[03:42] <nr0q_radio> the box in settings labeled "Automatically adjust microphone volume" .. uncheck that
[03:43] <nr0q_radio> then set your volume and it should stay, their auto-leveling thing sucks bad
[04:06] <morganu> my mic works fin in a messenger chat.
[04:07] <morganu> fine
[04:13] <nr0q_radio> see what I said above, it's not the OS but rather zoom probably is set to automatically turn the mic down for auto-leveling, it doesn't work very well
[04:14] <nr0q_radio> ls
[05:23] <rxdeath> so for al ong time my usb worked normally on 20.04, but now it takes a really long time (sometimes not at all) for it to show up in disks and mount
[05:24] <rxdeath> is there some bug or deal that casued this?  it worked fine for a while, then started being a jerk a while back and its finally angered me enough to see wtf is up
[05:24] <rxdeath> i will also say i'd love to disable write caching because i hate sitting there like a stooge for 15 minutes after the progess bar says it's finished, but i've gotten semi used to that
[06:03] <TJ-> rxdeath: check kernel log for I/O errors on the device. "journalctl -k -n 100" to see last 100 kernel messages
[07:36] <supone> I installed ubuntu 21.04 using the installer. selected luks + zfs. However I don't think it did FDE. It seems only swap and keystore-rpool are encrypted. Can someone help me verify?
[07:40] <supone> yeah I definitely think it was not encrypted... Does the installer not do FDE?
[07:40] <KBar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[07:41] <supone> my question is specifically related to the 21.04 installer. You can select LUKS + ZFS.
[07:42] <KBar> the guide says there are some post-installation steps to be done
[07:44] <supone> Ok will have a look. thanks.
[07:46] <supone> No seems that guide doesnt reference the 21.04 installer which allows one to select FDE + zfs. however the drive was not encrypted. Only swap and boot
[07:48] <aslan> is there anyone who understands slackware?
[07:49] <toddc> supone: encrypted ZFS is not fully working should encrypt root but there have been many edits over the last few weeks
[07:50] <guiverc> aslan, this is a Ubuntu support room, slackware is off-topic her
[07:50] <toddc> supone: at least on 21.04
[07:51] <KBar> aslan http://www.slackware.com/support/
[07:51] <aslan> what network is the slacware room on?
[07:51] <aslan> ok
[07:51] <KBar> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/forumdisplay.php?forumid=14
[07:51] <KBar> the last link is slackware forum
[07:54] <supone> toddc: thanks for letting me know. After install I assumed it was, real pity, have to start from scratch now. Any guide you can recommend to use? As the above posted guide is for LUKS + LVM, i wish to use LUKS + ZFS.... Thank you
[07:55] <Lumpio-> I have resorted to installing Google's version of Chrome instead of chromium in order to get a version that works. So far haven't seen any of the quirks that come with the snap version.
[07:56] <Lumpio-> Just as a warning, as if it was a final "fuck you" from Canonical, removing the chromium snap deletes your profile, but it gets saved in an obscure ZIP file in /var/lib/snapd/snapshots you can restore it from.
[07:57] <KBar> supone: many guides mention that grub-mkconfig and update-initrd won't recognize ZFS
[07:57] <KBar> supone maybe try these: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption
[07:57] <KBar> https://askubuntu.com/questions/729673/ubuntu-full-disk-encryption-with-encrypted-boot/801394#801394
[07:58] <aslan> why can't I connect to the Freenode network
[07:59] <Lumpio-> You didn't hear about the freenode takeover?
[07:59] <aslan> no
[07:59] <aslan> sorry, of course, but I'm a newbie
[08:00] <Mekaneck> aslan: this is a ubuntu support channel, please take your conversation about freenode to offtopic or #libera
[08:00] <Lumpio-> Google it it was big news
[08:01] <Mekaneck> Lumpio-: just leave please it since it's offtopic
[08:02] <rxdeath> usb usb4-port3: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
[08:02] <rxdeath> i get this no matter what port i put it into, and using different flash drives
[08:03] <rxdeath> like every 4 seconds
[08:04] <Lumpio-> Mekaneck: I sincerely apologize for disturbing all the ongoing conversations with my two off-topic lines to help a person out. I will make sure to only stick to the topic which only lists guidelines and not hard rules, to the extent of being rude to people going forwards.
[08:05] <Mekaneck> Lumpio-: good
[08:05] <Lumpio-> lol
[08:18] <rxdeath> its funny how that gets an instant response but actual questions regarding ubuntu are nearly ignored
[08:19] <KBar> sorry. dont mind that person
[08:20] <rxdeath> i have incredibly slow usb mounting times
[08:20] <KBar> as to your question, i cannot help because i am not familiar with the subject
[08:20] <rxdeath> i've taken every signle usb device out/swapped ports/ different flash drives etc
[08:20] <rxdeath> usb usb4-port3: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
[08:20] <rxdeath> but i get this every 4 seconds
[08:21] <rxdeath> i dual boot this machine and it doesn't complain in winblows
[08:21] <KBar> lol
[08:22] <KBar> but usb works, correct?
[08:22] <toddc> rxdeath: try a live media to eliminate hardware
[08:23] <rxdeath> wouldn't 'works in windows' cover that?
[08:23] <KBar> whats your ubuntu version? is it a fresh install?
[08:24] <rxdeath> 20.04
[08:24] <rxdeath> not fresh, but less than a year
[08:24] <rxdeath> i upgraded from 16.04, so i tend to run them a long time because i'm very lazy
[08:24] <KBar> the flash drives are mounted, right? it's just they're mounted really slow?
[08:24] <rxdeath> everything worked great until maybe 2 months ago
[08:25] <rxdeath> yes, that is typically what happens
[08:25] <rxdeath> sometimes over a minute
[08:25] <rxdeath> also the write cache makes me want to shoot myself, but i think those are 2 different issues
[08:25] <rxdeath> one of the few ways i want linux to work like windows, not the other way around.
[08:25] <rxdeath> have the progress bar be accurate ffs
[08:25] <KBar> the error you see appears in gui or you have to look at the terminal?
[08:25] <rxdeath> terminal
[08:26] <rxdeath> and i get it every 4 seconds
[08:26] <rxdeath> regardless of what is or isn't plugged in
[08:26] <rxdeath> with literally 0 things plugged into usb, it does that
[08:26] <KBar> even if nothing is plugged in?
[08:26] <KBar> strange
[08:27] <rxdeath> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/d4989e8619dc6fa793175ba076854857/pasted.txt
[08:27] <KBar> as i said, i have no idea about this, but the first think i would have done is to look at the journalctl
[08:27] <rxdeath> dmesg running, me unplugging my keyboard/mouse, and it sitll doing it
[08:27] <rxdeath> yea it gives the same thing as the dmesg
[08:28] <rxdeath> except with a readable date in the beginning
[08:28] <KBar> what if you switch to a virtual console?
[08:28] <KBar> and stop graphical environment
[08:28] <KBar> it still occurs?
[08:28] <rxdeath> i haven't tried that
[08:28] <rxdeath> is it like cntl f1 or some noise?
[08:28] <rxdeath> i don't remember how to do that
[08:29] <KBar> ctrl + alt + f1 through f6
[08:29] <KBar> f7 lets you back into gui
[08:29] <rxdeath> ok i'll try it brb
[08:30] <rxdeath> ok for me its f2 that gets me back in
[08:30] <rxdeath> but yes, when i did that, it would print out that message while waiting for me to log in
[08:30] <rxdeath> like i didn't even have to login for it to start printing the message over the login prompt
[08:32] <KBar> so it messed the prompt?
[08:32] <rxdeath> like it showed the login:  normal thing
[08:32] <rxdeath> but it would start printing that message over top even if i didn't log in
[08:33] <KBar> looks like there is something weird going on with the kernel itself
[08:33] <rxdeath> [309169.932532] usb usb4-port3: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
[08:36] <KBar> rxdeath what's the output of lsusb -t?
[08:37] <rxdeath> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/d4989e8619dc6fa793175ba076854857/pasted.txt
[08:38] <KBar> uhm, thats the previous one
[08:38] <rxdeath> wut
[08:39] <rxdeath> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/688441ba12b9f293be99d49141573969/pasted.txt
[08:43] <KBar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1856608
[08:44] <rxdeath> ok
[08:44] <rxdeath> so i remembered a few months back i got a usb cardreader deal
[08:44] <rxdeath> it plugs directly into a usb header on the motherboard
[08:44] <rxdeath> i pulled that shit out (yes, while the computer was running, i'm crazy)  and those messages stopped
[08:45] <rxdeath> so i think i want to plug it into the other header and see if the message comes back
[08:45] <KBar> lol
[08:45] <rxdeath> but is it likely that port is dead, or likely the card reader is an asshole
[08:45] <KBar> glad you found the root cause
[08:46] <rxdeath> and yes, now my usbs are mounting nearly instantly
[08:46] <rxdeath> (but i'd still like to talk about how to disable write caching to all usb devices)
[08:46] <rxdeath> so what you think, bad card reader, or bad port?
[08:46] <rxdeath> and is there a way to tell without just pulling shit and see what happens
[08:47] <KBar> i was looking at how to disable a specific port
[08:47] <KBar> but since you found the device thats been acting up
[08:48] <rxdeath> yea i just pulled the thing tyhat was plugged into the other header and moved it, and no message
[08:48] <rxdeath> i'm gonna plug that reader back into the other port and i bet its gonna be a dick
[08:48] <KBar> that, or try another reader
[08:48] <rxdeath> so what is causing that?  just a crappy reader?  i do want a card reader becaue i work a lot with sd and micro cards a lot and i hate looking for adapters all the time
[08:48] <KBar> maybe
[08:49] <KBar> try plugging in another reader into the same port
[08:49] <rxdeath> yea as expected, as soon as it was plugged into, it was bitching agin
[08:49] <rxdeath> so the error stays with the card reader, regardless of port
[08:50] <rxdeath> it does have a removable cord that one end is usba3.0 and the other is motherboard usb header
[08:50] <rxdeath> so  iguess i can try and get another cord and see if its less angry
[08:50] <rxdeath> but i bet not.
[08:50] <rxdeath> whats a well known good card reader that i can run off the usb header
[08:50] <KBar> for that, you might have to google
[08:51] <rxdeath> bew
[08:51] <KBar> im out of knowledge :D
[08:51] <rxdeath> hoping some had personal experience
[08:51] <rxdeath> google is full of 98% the dumbest questions and you have to pick the 1 right link out of 200 morons
[08:51] <KBar> try the same card reader on a live system if you can
[08:51] <KBar> maybe its just the kernel acting up
[08:52] <KBar> after some update
[08:52] <KBar> preferrably 21.10
[09:03] <rxdeath> lol
[09:04] <rxdeath> i just spend 15 minutes looking for a new one and finally found one that has micro sd and regular, plus a type c port
[09:04] <rxdeath> realized right before i bought it that it seems familiar and its the exact same one i have
[09:08] <KBar> and does the kernel complain about that one too?
[10:51] <nini321> hey all
[10:51] <KBar> hi
[10:51] <nini321> question time ...i have installed ubuntu but im having trouble getting my wifi to work.
[10:51] <nini321> can anyone help with this matter
[10:52] <Nervensaege> hello
[10:52] <nisa> nini321: which wifi card?
[10:52] <nini321> its a realtek
[10:52] <KBar> and which version of ubuntu
[10:52] <nisa> have you checked the driver manager?
[10:52] <Nervensaege> ubuntu works fine with wifi
[10:53] <nini321> no nisa
[10:53] <nisa> check it;-)
[10:54] <nini321> i just put in a ethernet cable after having all this trouble.I have been reading on the internet but no solution
[10:54] <Nervensaege> you have to search for Realtek in the driver manager
[10:54] <nini321> ok will do
[10:56] <nini321> are you talking about addition drivers menu ?
[10:56] <nisa> yeah
[10:56] <Nervensaege> yep
[10:56] <nini321> in there i have a update for the grahics card nothing else
[10:56] <nisa> which realtek is it exactly?
[10:56] <Nervensaege> i got a Realtek in a HP Pavilion Laptop (dv6440se)
[10:56] <KBar> what version of ubuntu nini321?
[10:57] <nini321> i just download the the one from there website so im guessing the lastest one :)
[10:57] <Nervensaege> and the driver for this one is named "rtl8723be"
[10:57] <nini321> Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0bda:c811 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 802.11ac NIC
[10:57] <nini321> does that help?
[10:57] <nisa> could you check lshw?
[10:59] <nini321> i dont see my wifi there
[11:00] <nisa> nini321: can you send the full output?
[11:00] <nini321> i have used this usb wifi card before. to use linux mint
[11:00] <nini321> a while ago
[11:00] <nini321> yes
[11:00] <nisa> also can you send the output of dmesg?
[11:00] <KBar> whats the outpuf of nmcli device status?
[11:00] <Nervensaege> If the output only shows this one line, that's normal: wlp2s0 UNCLAIMED
[11:01] <nini321> i have to create a pastebin account one second please
[11:01] <nisa> nini321: don't use pastebin
[11:01] <nisa> use https://paste.ubuntu.com
[11:01] <Nervensaege> @nisa http://pastebin.com/ZgX2wv7h
[11:01] <nini321> ok
[11:02] <nisa> Nervensaege: 404 also we weren't asking you
[11:02] <Nervensaege> @nisa: okay
[11:03] <nini321> https://pastebin.com/M6D8K146
[11:04] <nisa> nini321: and what's the output of dmesg?
[11:04] <Nervensaege> @nisa: http://pastebin.com/6K0jZsHN
[11:04] <nisa> Nervensaege: ok
[11:04] <Nervensaege> I have no idea what to do now :/
[11:05] <nini321> https://pastebin.com/86Sj8xwR
[11:06] <nisa> nini321: "Downshift occurred from negotiated speed 1Gbps to actual speed 100Mbps, check cabling" you should check your cable I guess
[11:06] <Nervensaege> Is there a way to downgrade from 17.10 to 16.04 ? I tried with a live disk but it didn't work
[11:06] <KBar> reinstall
[11:07] <nisa> nini321: nvm thats ethernet. The log indicates nothing at all about a wifi card
[11:07] <mgedmin> downgrades are not supported, but you might upgrade to 18.04 instead
[11:07] <Nervensaege> I know it can be done with 16.04
[11:07] <nini321> nisa its just a old ethernet cable
[11:07] <KBar> or include sources for 16.04 only and reinstall all packages
[11:07] <Nervensaege> But the installer doesn't allow you to choose an older version of Ubuntu :/
[11:08] <nini321> it use to work fine i have another computer using mint.with the same wifi usb and it is working fine ?
[11:08] <nisa> nini321: could you try just doing sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade ?
[11:09] <nini321> yes
[11:09] <nini321> 109 packages can be upgraded
[11:09] <Nervensaege> Do I have to install 16.04 or should I rather use a daily build ?
[11:10] <nisa> daily build?
[11:10] <Nervensaege> I mean this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BionicBeaver/Daily
[11:10] <KBar> 16.04 is EoL
[11:10] <Nervensaege> Oh, I see. So there is no way to do it with the current release ?
[11:10] <nini321> is that sudo apt-get update?
[11:10] <Nervensaege> Yes
[11:11] <nini321> i did that
[11:11] <nisa> upgrade too?
[11:11] <Nervensaege> nisa: What if I tell the installer that it should keep the same version as in 16.04?
[11:12] <KBar> i think some of you are confused
[11:12] <Nervensaege> Oh ok. I thought it was a server
[11:12] <nini321> https://pastebin.com/kmLckRtJ
[11:13] <nisa> nini321: yeah, run sudo apt upgrade
[11:13] <PyroPeter> on one of my ubuntu 20.04 hosts, I can use journalctl -u pattern matches, but not on the other. the man page on both hosts claims that it should work. https://tbruns.de/b28072a9fb22eeb7.txt
[11:14] <nisa> Oh yeah that's just the normal systemd weirdnes :D
[11:14] <nisa> Are you sure both machines are up-to-date?
[11:16] <nini321> ok updating now ....taps foot
[11:16] <PyroPeter> no, but they have identical systemd package versions
[11:16] <Nervensaege> nisa: It asked if I want to keep it at 16.04 (of course I said yes) and I said yes.
[11:16] <nini321> be back in 20mins ....life calls :(
[11:17] <KBar> PyroPeter make sure both machines are up-to-date.
[11:17] <nisa> PyroPeter: library versions may differ
[11:20] <PyroPeter> okay, now both hosts are up to date, but the issue persists
[11:22] <KBar> which unit exactly do you need to follow?
[11:24] <PyroPeter> I wrote some units myself, but I can reproduce the issue with ssh.service and ssh* as a pattern
[11:28] <KBar> one machine is able to recognize the ssh* pattern? (journalctl -u ssh*)
[11:28] <nisa> PyroPeter: OHHH, what if you do ssh\* instead?
[11:28] <PyroPeter> have you clicked on the link?
[11:28] <nisa> Maybe your shell interprets ssh* instead
[11:28] <Nervensaege> Does anyone else have problems with ubuntu 16.04 and the bluetooth keyboard that's built in with it? When I push the up key it just skips to the next keyboard layout.
[11:29] <PyroPeter> I copy&pasted the stuff in my link from my terminal
[11:30] <PyroPeter> and I have the same issue with `journalctl -u 'ssh*'`
[11:31] <nisa> nvm then
[11:31] <Nervensaege> And my bluetooth adapter worked just fine in 16.04
[11:32] <KBar> make sure those units are active and loaded then
[11:32] <Nervensaege> I mean the bluetooth keyboard
[11:32] <KBar> in the future, try using https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[11:33] <PyroPeter> that requires a login, and I run my own httpd anyway
[11:33] <KBar> please dont post links to random sites
[11:33] <Nervensaege> I should have specified, the keyboard is working fine, it's the keys on the keyboard itself
[11:34] <tarzeau_> Nervensaege: why not try if 18.04 or even better 20.04 improve it?
[11:34] <PyroPeter> okay, I get your concern
[11:34] <Nervensaege> I am using 18.04 right now
[11:34] <Nervensaege> tarzeau_, I am using it. But because it works fine on my other box, I thought there would be a problem with the keyboard itself
[11:34] <tarzeau_> the other box is running what os/release?
[11:37] <PyroPeter> thanks to you both for your efforts!
[11:37] <Nervensaege> 16.04 and 18.04
[12:39] <nini321> hey all i updated my nvidia driver on the driver manager now my screen resolution is awful and only has the one setting
[12:39] <nini321> i only have 1024 now
[12:39] <nini321> and i cant revert back
[12:40] <nini321> any ideas
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:43] <KBar> hello and welcome
[12:59] <no_gravity> In gparted, what is the difference between "Partition name" and "Label"?
[13:00] <ogra> one is a name in the partition table, the other is a label on the filesystem level
[13:00] <no_gravity> ogra: Oh, I see. So to name a partition that will not be formatted, I need to give it a "Partition name".
[13:00] <ogra> right
[13:00] <no_gravity> Thanks
[13:00] <ogra> notsure how much the partiton name will be used anywhere though ...
[13:01] <ogra> if you use Label= on your kernel cmdline or fstab i think that only looks at the filesystem level
[13:02] <no_gravity> Ok
[13:02] <Nervensaege> hi! i'm facing problems with the broadcom wifi on my laptop, when i open the console and write 'sudo rmmod brcm80211', then iwconfig wlan0 essid myssid mode managed   i will see that i have an ip. and i can ping google. but i don't know how to start, i mean, what to write in the command line. any help please?
[13:03] <no_gravity> When I copy a linux partition with "cp -a" to another partition, will I be able to boot that other partition?
[13:03] <Nervensaege> no_gravity: probably not :)
[13:07] <no_gravity> Nervensaege: ?
[13:07] <Nervensaege> no_gravity: when you copy one partition to another partition, you will be able to boot that new partition, if the bootloader was installed on that partition
[13:07] <no_gravity> Nervensaege: I would like to put the bootloader on yet another partition.
[13:07] <Nervensaege> and bootloader can be put on an arbitrary partition (I think, I have no real experience with this)
[13:07] <no_gravity> Nervensaege: And I guess I also need *another* partition with some efi stuff.
[13:07] <Nervensaege> no_gravity: yes
[13:08] <no_gravity> So 3 partitions to boot one.
[13:51] <tavasti> In my ubuntu 18.04, I have package linux-lowlatency (Desc: This package will always depend on the latest complete lowlatency Linux kernel available.)
[13:52] <tavasti> However, that package seems to be for 4.15 kernels, and there seems to be more recent lowlatency kernels
[13:52] <tavasti> what is meta package I should install to get for example linux-image-5.4.0-87-lowlatency?
[14:02] <KBar> tavasti try apt-cache policy linux-lowlatency
[14:02] <Nervensaege> you need to add a repository containing "linux-lowlatency" I think (I just do not remember it)
[14:04] <KBar> what do you have in candidate?
[14:05] <ogra> limux-lowlatency is in the main archive
[14:05] <Nervensaege> that is what I suggest in such cases
[14:06] <ogra> *linux
[14:06] <Nervensaege> tavasti: search for "linux-lowlatency" in the software center
[14:06] <ogra> (and maintained by the ubuntu kernel team proper, with all security fixes)
[14:07] <ogra> in focal (20.04) that will install a 5.4 kernel
[14:11] <KBar> yep. 4.15 is the latest version for bionic. if you want 5.4+, you need to upgrade your system to focal or later releases
[14:29] <lpe> Hi, I try to make a launcher for digikam.appimage - http://paste.debian.net/1214278/ I place this digikam.desktop in .local/share/applications but no works. An idea ?
[14:29] <Nervensaege> ogra: ok so I have a "linux-lowlatency" package which is installed
[14:31] <oerheks> lpe, why not the snap package? also 7.3.0 https://snapcraft.io/digikam
[14:32] <lpe> oerheks, yes why not, but why not I can't create a launcher for my appimage ?
[14:33] <ogra> lpe, /home/.local/ ???
[14:34] <ogra> do you mean /home/<user>/.local perhaps ?
[14:34] <oerheks> good spot ogra
[14:38] <lpe> ogra, thanks, the bug was because I changed the place of the appimage. But I do not see digikam in gnome panel
[14:39] <oerheks> lpe, maybe you need to logout/login to load the launcher and take effect?
[14:39] <oerheks> you did this on user level, not systemwide
[14:39] <Nervensaege> ogra: ok so when I check "apt-cache policy linux-image-4.10.0-37-generic", I see that the repository is activated, and I have "Installed: 4.10.0-37.42" but it is not installed
[14:40] <ogra> Nervensaege, how do you mean "the repository is activated" ? linux-generic comes from the main archive too ... and depends on the correct linux-image-*-generic
[14:40] <lpe> oerheks, i come back
[14:40] <Nervensaege> well, I've updated my system with "sudo apt update", and I wanted to install a package
[14:41] <Nervensaege> ogra: yes I have both, but I have activated "Unofficial archive for Ubuntu Artful" (https://usn.ubuntu.com/4195-1/) but it is not activated
[14:42] <ogra> Nervensaege, artful ?
[14:42] <Nervensaege> yes
[14:42] <ogra> thats long dead and buried
[14:42] <Nervensaege> ok, so I can install it with "sudo apt install linux-generic"?
[14:43] <ogra> that is the default kernel on every ubuntu install ... yes, you should be able to install linux-generic at any time
[14:43] <lpe> oerheks, yes, after a new login, works ! thanks !
[14:43] <ogra> (which then pulls in the supported -image- package for your respective release)
[14:43] <Nervensaege> i have a package "linux-generic", and if i try to install it, it says that "no information found", but i tried with "sudo apt install linux-generic" and then "apt full-upgrade" and then "sudo apt install linux-generic", i don't understand what i'm doing wrong
[14:44] <ogra> Nervensaege, paste the output of what you are doing with all failures to a pastebin ...
[14:44] <Nervensaege> i have 2 problems now. I installed the kernel <IP_ADDRESS>, and it don't want to start. If i want to use "sudo systemctl restart grub-efi-amd-rhel7" it says that "systemd-resolved.service is disabled; edit /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/systemd-resolved.service and
[14:46] <ogra> Nervensaege, i dont think there is a supported 4.10 version of the kernel anywhere in ubuntus archive
[14:46] <Nervensaege> it's just a little bugfix for the graphic driver. and this graphic driver is for work i do now
[14:46] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta
[14:47] <ogra> 4.4 (in 16.04) and 4.15 (18.04] are there ...
[15:09] <tavasti> KBar, no other candidates as the one that is installed
[15:09] <Nervensaege> the package is linux-generic and i think that's just a dummy package
[15:10] <tavasti> Nervensaege, prefer command-line, haven't ever even started those graphical package managers
[15:10] <Nervensaege> ok, thanks for the command line. it just works :)
[15:21] <webchat48> Hello everybody. I have a problem bridging ethernet on Ubuntu 21.04 (Host) into kvm/qemu. Is there anyone who can help?
[16:05] <Gwalenn> hi, I mount with fstab a hd in /media/Data. How to give a name to this hd instead of the generic volume name ?
[16:12] <TRS> Hey Gang, I'm looking for some support on webmin. I want to alter what module is loaded after login by default. It's dashboard now and I can't find the config to change the setting.  Ubuntu 21
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> !webmin | TRS
[16:13] <Nervensaege> Gwalenn: what is the output of your mount command?
[16:14] <ogra> TRS, isnt there a webmin forum/IRC/chat ... ? webmin has been removed from debian and ubuntu over a decade ago due to its multiple security issues
[16:14] <TRS> nope
[16:14] <TRS> two bots in it
[16:14] <TRS> that's it
[16:14] <TRS> Whats the migration path from wbmin for ubuntu now that's no longer supported?
[16:15] <ogra> well, given it has not been in ubuntu for a very long time you'll have a hard time finding support in here ....
[16:15] <TRS> what does everyone use now on ubuntu instead of webmin?
[16:17]  * ogra uses the CLI to manage his servers 🙂
[16:20] <ogra> TRS, there is "cockpit" ... and there was one starting with "Z" that i forgot the name for
[16:21] <ogra> both should be on the archive proper
[16:22] <TRS> Thanks
[16:22] <Nervensaege> Gwalenn: nothing changed, still the same
[16:25] <TJ-> TRS: webmin support is in their forums and trouble tickets
[16:27] <beuys> How do I map the tab key so it works as an escape key?
[16:29] <ogra> TRS, ah, i remember again, it was "zentyal" but seems their packages are gone from the archive with 20.04 (and perhaps longer)
[16:30] <TRS> Thanks again.....I'm looking at cockpit right now. Seems it will be okay
[16:30] <TJ-> TRS: for the record; I've had webmn/virtualmin in constant use since 2007 on Ubuntu without any problems across upgrades or whatever
[16:30] <ogra> beuys, uh, why would you do that ? ... given tab is ofen used in many contexts (tabbing through elements of a webpage for example ... using editors ... etc )
[16:31] <TRS> TJ: I've had no issues either except my squid version is too new for webmin to  manage.
[16:31] <Nervensaege> ogra: but it doesn't really happen with the old release... at least not that often
[16:31] <beuys> ogra: Oh, I meant caps
[16:31] <Nervensaege> *release
[16:32] <beuys> Looks like this does the trick: setxkbmap -option caps:escape
[16:32] <Nervensaege> beuys: thanks, i'll try that
[16:32] <ogra> beuys, in the default Uuntu GNOME desktop you should be able to map that in the keyboard settings
[16:32] <ogra> *Ubuntu
[16:32] <Nervensaege> ok it didn't really work, but thanks :)
[16:32] <beuys> ogra: I prefer to do everything in my bashrc.
[16:32] <beuys> ogra: So I have all config in one place.
[16:33] <beuys> Nervensaege: What didn't work?
[16:33] <Nervensaege> setxkbmap -option caps:nocaps -option deadkeys:nocaps
[16:33] <ogra> beuys, well, not sure setxkbmap will still work in wayland
[16:33] <ogra> so ot really future proof 🙂
[16:33] <ogra> *not
[16:33] <Nervensaege> beuys: i'm not 100% sure, but i thought that this would be the same solution i used to change keyboard in x
[16:33] <beuys> ogra: Ain't I in wayland?
[16:33] <ogra> dunno, are you ?
[16:33] <beuys> ogra: How do I test?
[16:34] <ogra> ps aux|grep Xorg
[16:34] <beuys> Nervensaege: This works for me: setxkbmap -option caps:escape
[16:34] <Nervensaege> i think you'll find that you're on X11...
[16:34] <Nervensaege> beuys: I know that x-server works for me, but I can't tell how to get it in bashrc
[16:34] <webchat76> Hello, I have a problem bridging ethernet on Ubuntu 21.04 (Host) into kvm/qemu. Anyone could help?
[16:35] <beuys> ogra: That outputs a bunch of stuff.
[16:35] <ogra> webchat76, perhaps #ubuntu-server can help better with that
[16:35] <ogra> beuys, well any Xorg process owned by your user ?
[16:35] <ogra> "/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg"
[16:36] <webchat76> @ogra many thanks. I will try it there.
[16:36] <beuys> ogra: Yes
[16:36] <Nervensaege> webchat: have you checked the bridging guide ?
[16:36] <ogra> beuys, well, then you are running X11
[16:37] <beuys> ogra: Wow. I thought Ubuntu switched to Wayland long ago.
[16:37] <ogra> with 21.10 (and onwards) ubuntu will default to wayland everywhere
[16:37] <Nervensaege> webchat: http://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/UsersGuide/Bridging#Networking
[16:38] <ogra> beuys, didnt work because nvidia breaks wayland ... they only fixed it recently so now we can switch
[16:38] <ogra> there was one release in the past where wayland was tried as default during the dev cycle but it had still too many issues
[16:38] <ogra> 21.10 will be the release now
[16:39] <beuys> ogra: Wow
[16:39] <TRS> TJ-:  Do you know how to change which landing page is displayed in webmin for a user after they login?
[16:40] <webchat76> Nervensaege No, but this link seems outdated.
[16:40] <Nervensaege> webchat: if you use ethernet on your vm you can just use nat
[16:40] <beuys> ogra: I think I remember X11 is riddled with unfixable security flaws?
[16:40] <TJ-> TRS: no; never needed that
[16:40] <Nervensaege> if you want to use wifi i use this command sudo ip link set enp0s3 master br-100
[16:41] <webchat76> Nervensaege I am not sure exactly what you mean by that. let me first better describe the case:
[16:41] <Nervensaege> and then if you want to use wifi sudo ip link set wlp3s0 master br-100
[16:42] <TRS> TJ-:  Found it! under Theme configuration
[16:42] <TRS> *roll eyes*
[16:42] <Nervensaege> webchat: when you are running the docker image in your VM just use it's IP address and you are good to go
[16:44] <webchat76> I yesterday for other reasons deleted the bridge using the nm-connection-manager, and after that the wired connection is not working anymore
[16:44] <ogra> beuys, yeah by design
[16:44] <Nervensaege> no problem, but when you connect you will have to use the ip address
[16:46] <webchat76> OK, I see, just ignore nervensaege ;)
[17:34] <webchat80> Noone responding in ubuntu-server
[17:34] <webchat80> ogra
[17:35] <webchat80> I'll just ask again here?
[17:35] <Nervensaege> webchat: you may have to change the ip if you don't let the vm be in dhcp mode, but usually it works out of the box, because I have seen the networkmanager do that for me on a lot of ubuntu-mate VMs with docker installed
[17:41] <oerheks> Nervensaege, totally different problems.. and please, do not give weird advise, for the 2nd day
[17:41] <Nervensaege> oerheks: well, i was giving him a workaround, so he could have done it himself
[17:41] <oerheks> stop it, thanks
[17:41] <Nervensaege> sorry for that
[17:42] <Mike00>  /script install mouse.pl
[17:56] <samir> Hi Everyone.  I've got a daily cron job listed in my crontab -l.  Is there an easy way to skip today's execution but resume on a daily schedule tomorrow?
[17:56] <Nervensaege> samir: you can have multiple "jobs" in one cron-file, in case you want to add more jobs
[17:59] <samir> Nervensaege:  Apologies but I'm not sure I understand how that helps me skip today's execution without impacting future runs of my job
[17:59] <Nervensaege> samir: if the crontab -l command shows more than one line, each line is like an single cron-job. You add more than one by starting the new one with "@ " and then putting " */5" on the end. So it could look like "@every 5min *.pl" for your job (and ".pl" is your script file)
[18:00] <tomreyn> Nervensaege: but this still doesn't answer samir's question, i would think
[18:00] <Nervensaege> tomreyn: Ah, sry then I was not answering your question. I'm not very experienced in crontab-tricks and didn't want to mislead.
[18:02] <samir> I'd prefer not stopping the cron service as that would impact other jobs that are scheduled
[18:03] <TJ-> samir: is the 'job' a shell script or command to be called?
[18:03] <tomreyn> samir: i don't think there is. you could edit the cron job to not run if the date mateches today's. and then later change it again to remove that test.
[18:03] <samir> TJ-: the job executes a shell script
[18:04] <samir> tomreyn: My original thought was to just comment it out for today and then uncomment it out tomorrow (assuming I remembered to do that!)
[18:05] <samir> I guess I could create another job to remind me!
[18:05] <tomreyn> samir: right, that's more risky
[18:06] <TJ-> samir: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/chRGzT5yn6/
[18:07] <TJ-> samir: basically, install a non-op placeholder with the same script name but in /usr/local/bin/ where it should be found in PATH before your actual script (assuming your actual cron script isn't also in /usr/local/bin/). This script does nothing except delete itself
[18:07] <Nervensaege> I would like to get access to the full list of installed packages with the command dpkg --get-selections and sort it like this
[18:08] <TJ-> Nervensaege: better to use "sudo debfoster -q; debfoster --show-keepers"
[18:08] <Nervensaege> I like how the package manager asks questions when you install new packages
[18:08] <tomreyn> samir: my approach was to change your current    foobar    into    [ "$(date +%Y%m%d)" -ne 20211004 ] && foobar
[18:08] <TJ-> Nervensaege: --get-selections lists versioned libraries, whereas debfoster --show-keepers lists only packages that are at the top of the dependency pile
[18:09] <Nervensaege> thanks I guess
[18:10] <Aavar> Is there a simple tool to set a static IP in ubuntu? one that does not need to edit files and so on. For example in the way that Raspberry OS or Pihole does it?
[18:10] <samir> TJ-: Thanks.  Looks like a self-destructing do-nothing script?  Appreciate the suggestion!
[18:10] <Aavar> (in terminal)
[18:11] <TJ-> samir: yes; it just gets called due to the PATH location before the usual script (providing the 'real' script is later in the PATH)
[18:11] <Nervensaege> What I really hate is when stuff like python3 isn't listed, even though I have the package installed
[18:11] <oerheks> Aavar, networkmanager only i guess
[18:11] <samir> tomreyn: Got it.  Just a one-time change which I don't have to worry about remembering to update again tomorrow
[18:11] <Nervensaege> it just seems to ignore everything
[18:11] <TJ-> Nervensaege: what 'it' are you referring to?
[18:11] <Nervensaege> that list
[18:12] <oerheks> *uhum* all current ubuntu versions have python3 installed
[18:15] <Aavar> oerheks: hmm... there should be one :D If only I knew any programing...
[18:16] <oerheks> nm-cli?
[18:16] <TJ-> someone elsewhere was asking how to limit I/O for a process to avoid stalling other operations. I put this simple cgroups demo together to show how easy it is using cgroups, and wanted to share it before I forget. https://paste.debian.net/1214302/
[18:17] <oerheks> some hints; https://opensource.com/article/20/7/nmcli
[18:18] <tomreyn> Aavar: there is "ip"
[18:18] <Aavar> oerheks: thank you. I will look into it :)
[18:18] <TJ-> Aavar: e.g. "sudo ip address add fe80::1/64 dev eth0"
[18:25] <Aavar> TJ-: That only sets a ip like ifconfig does right? It doesn't configure the machine to use a static ip? Am I right?
[18:25] <Nervensaege> hi
[18:29] <TJ-> Aavar: it sets a static IPv6 on eth0
[19:43] <dev4449> Hi. Good day. I installed ubuntu 20.04 on a lenovo thinkpad t560 laptop today. The icons and generally everything is small. You might notice how small things are in this image:https://imgur.com/a/9KNhYDi
[19:44] <dev4449> It's difficult to read and identify things.
[19:44] <sarnold> dev4449: that's the funny thing with screenshots.. it all looks *huge* to me
[19:45] <dev4449> sarnold: Oh.
[19:46] <dev4449> I can't think of another way to show you how things look
[19:48] <sarnold> yeah... an actual photograph of the screen, with something 'regular' sized near it might do the trick. but it's hard to be confident that'll actually be useful :)
[19:50] <velix> Is there an official channel for "snap" on any network?
[19:50] <dev4449> sarnold: I guess I will simply live with this. I'll set bigger font size. so it would be no problem any longer.
[19:51] <ogra> dev4449, got to settings->display settings there you can switch on 200% scaling
[19:51] <sarnold> velix: #snappy perhaps?
[19:52] <dev4449> ogra: I tried that. Things become very very big.
[19:52] <velix> sarnold: Thanks!
[19:53] <dev4449> I just turned on "Large Text" option in universal access in settings. I can easily read things now. So the problem is generally solved.
[19:55] <ogra> dev4449, well, i tend to turn on 200%, then scale down the fonts (using gnome-tweaks) so things like buttons are not so small
[19:55] <ogra> biut if you are fine with the smaller UI elements just font scaling does the job too indeed
[19:55] <dev4449> ogra: Yeah
[20:07] <nisa> How minimal is Ubuntu Core compared to just something like Debian base?
[20:08] <nisa> or even base void linux?
[20:09] <sarnold> nisa: I think ubuntu core is just a kernel and snapd -- check the manifests here https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/20/stable/current/
[20:09] <nisa> okay alr
[20:09] <FakePhish> Can anyone help me out with a problem with the update command? It's not really a problem, but is just a quick question
[20:09] <VerlorrenLol> Hello guys, I want to reinstall an Ubuntu machine with a clean home partition but I don't want to go the whole hog by installing "doze" again.
[20:09] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> Anyone have any idea on the issue I'm having in 19.10? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2388272
[20:09] <JustAnotherCamel> I'll try to find a text log I made of it
[20:09] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> VerlorrenLol, you could always try "dd"
[20:09] <JustAnotherCamel> Hi all. I need help. I have just upgraded my kubuntu to 20.10 and suddenly my wifi stopped working. The old 17.10 setup works and the problem is not that it doesn't show up in the list of available networks but that I cannot connect to any network. I have tried the solutions in this thread: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2426605 but it has not helped. Any ideas?
[20:09] <VerlorrenLol> NoSuchBugOrFeatu, "dd"
[20:11] <sarnold> heh, I wonder what that was about..
[20:12] <wirehead> anyone know of a website scraping program
[20:12] <wirehead> something with GUI
[20:12] <sarnold> wirehead: this might be a starting point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_ARChive
[20:16] <pasiz> almost suggested wget, but there is no gui...
[20:17] <sarnold> yeah, wget --mirror is my go-to butno gui
[20:17] <sarnold> so
[20:17] <Simplar> What's happening with facebook i wonder
[20:19] <wirehead> I'm hastily scraping websites before the internet possibly gets taken down
[20:20] <wirehead> World Economic Forum spoke of a Cyber Polygon scenario that suggested something like that could happen
[20:26] <sarnold> wirehead: https://communitywebs.archive-it.org/about.html
[20:34] <Bashing-om> nisa: Too is: https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/system-requirements - the docs :D
[21:17] <u0_a480> ls
[22:55] <TortillaSandwich> anyone know why firefox doesn't remember its window size after being closed and reopened?


[07:17] <mhall119> AlanBell: nope, I had the same thought after seeing it on their website too
[07:18] <AlanBell> at the moment there is a 1:1 correspondence between vandalised pads and articles about UDS sessions on OMG
[07:18] <mhall119> might just be one of their trolls
[07:19] <mhall119> do you have an IP of the vandal?
[07:19] <AlanBell> indeed, I hardly think it is Joey and Ben! Just the trollpit they have assembled
[07:19] <AlanBell> don't have the IP, it was a load of them though
[07:23] <mhall119> okay, well I'm going down for breakfast, talk to you later
[07:23] <AlanBell> I suspect that the logs won't have the IP either, even if we could decypher them
[07:23] <AlanBell> it is behind a reverse proxy
[07:41] <joey> AlanBell: I'm a what now? :-)
[07:43] <cjohnston> AlanBell: we talked at breakfast about enabling the read only views and requesting that when "media" links to summit pages to link to the read only views
[07:50] <AlanBell> it would be possible to get a nice read only page view of a single version from etherpad with a bit of coding
[07:52] <AlanBell> so at the end of a session you would just need some way to write the desired revision number back to summit
[07:52] <AlanBell> but that won't stop active trolling during a session
[07:58] <mhall119> AlanBell: could we make the pads read-only unless you sign in through SSO?
[08:20] <popey> I spoke to the guys at OMG. They meant to link to the blueprint, not the etherpad. Was a mistake.
[08:21] <popey> They also assumed that you'd need to be logged into lp to edit docs.
[08:22] <popey> They've said they wont link directly to any more.
[08:24] <popey> They send their sincere apologies to those who have been put out by this, and have had to work on getting it fixed
[08:26] <AlanBell> cool, I saw the blueprints were linked now
[08:26] <AlanBell> mhall119: would love to, but etherpad does not support that right now
[08:29] <cjohnston> We can make it to where if they go to the meeting page they have to login to edit.. but that wouldnt stop anyone from going directly to the pad.ubuntu.com/whatever and editing
[08:33] <mhall119> yeah
[10:21] <nigelb> james_w: poke?
[10:21] <james_w> hi nigelb
[10:22] <nigelb> james_w: hey, could you ssh into the box running summit and get summit/summit/schedule/management/commands/rescedule.py
[10:22] <nigelb> that's the file that's not checked in
[10:23] <nigelb> james_w: nevermind, daviey, just got it for me :-)
[10:24] <AlanBell> that isn't spelled correctly reschedule is right
[10:25] <cjohnston> :-P
[10:25] <AlanBell> is it wrong in the source tree?
[10:25] <popey> join #ubuntu-uds
[10:25] <popey> bah
[10:25] <nigelb> AlanBell: Would you believe that a file was in production and never checked in?
[10:26] <AlanBell> no, that could never happen ;)
[10:27] <nigelb> heh
[10:28] <AlanBell> if it is spelled wrong then that will cause confusion at some point when someone does include reschedule.py and it fails
[10:29] <nigelb> AlanBell: I suck at spelling that's all
[10:29] <AlanBell> ok, that is fine
[10:34] <popey> AlanBell: fwiw, the webupd8 dude linked _directly_ to the etherpad. so pointing the finger at the OMG community may well be very misplaced
[10:34] <popey> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/uds-o-news-unity-2d-will-switch-from.html
[10:38] <nigelb> popey: bah
[10:38] <popey> bah indeed
[10:38] <popey> finger pointing fail
[10:48] <cjohnston> popey: can someone get ahold of them and try to fix it
[10:52] <popey> he's at UDS!
[10:58] <AlanBell> is that a popular site?
[10:59] <AlanBell> 30 comments per article so I guess it is fairly
[10:59] <popey> yes, comparable to omg
[11:01] <AlanBell> OK, and they happen to have done articles on the same two sessions out of all those held yesterday :)
[11:01] <nigelb> popey: what's his name?
[11:01] <popey> Andrew
[11:02]  * nigelb mails
[11:03] <popey> ah, maybe not
[11:03] <nigelb> meh
[11:03] <nigelb> i'm lazy
[11:03] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard
[11:03] <popey> him
[11:03] <popey> goes by the name Andrew on the site
[11:09] <nigelb> daker: ping
[11:09] <nigelb> daker: join #ubuntu-uds-tohotom
[11:09] <daker> nigelb, pong
[11:09] <nigelb> daker: we're having the loco directory session
[11:09] <daker> ah ok
[11:10] <nigelb> hey daker, might want to listen to the audio stream too
[11:10] <cjohnston> czajkowski: ping
[11:10] <daker> ok
[11:34] <mhall119> AlanBell: can you join #ubuntu-uds-tohotom?
[11:56] <czajkowski> cjohnston: yes
[12:03] <daker> czajkowski, you are late :/
[12:03] <czajkowski> no I'm not
[12:03] <czajkowski> I'm here and do not have an apointment to be here
[12:03] <czajkowski> :)
[12:03] <czajkowski> what was I wanted for
[14:56] <vish> AlanBell: it was more that they "wanted to use something that actually showed what he typed immediately" (paraphrasing here about -lehar)
[14:56] <vish> AlanBell: but mostly people like etherpad :)
[14:58] <AlanBell> vish: is there lag on etherpad for people at uds?
[14:58] <popey> there's lag for people not at UDS :)
[14:58] <popey> on a busy document you can type and a the text appears a little later, not much, not really badly like a 1200 modem, but noticable
[14:58] <AlanBell> hmm, I am not seeing any lag
[14:58] <vish> AlanBell: not really sure what it was, i think it just has a couple of secs lag at times
[15:00] <AlanBell> ok, I will have a look at that on the gnome3 session, loadsa people going to that one
[15:12] <nigelb> Daviey: did you get a chance to test that one out?
[15:45] <AlanBell> popey: not seeing any lag on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3/ at the moment with loads of people on it
[15:50] <popey> me neither
[16:07] <nigelb> AlanBell: we're starting! Are you here for the a11y session?
[22:43] <nigelb> o.
[22:43] <nigelb> o/
[22:47] <popey> lo
[22:50] <cjohnston> blah
[23:00] <nigelb> cjohnston: wow, you missed the party in the bar down the road


[12:40] <Mithrandir> moimart: well, I'm not in MTV, so pinging me is kinda useless. :-)
[01:21] <moimart> Mithrandir: I didn't know, I just thought so :)
[10:45] <lool> Weird; I didn't see any changed content in the commit mail from cjwatson
[12:00] <cjwatson> lool: the one that just removed *.o files?
[12:01] <cjwatson> lool: right, that was actually a bug in the source package construction, not visible in bzr; I was just syncing up the changelog
[12:04] <cjwatson> lool: would you be able to test a hildon-desktop change for me? I've fixed it to build properly on amd64, but I'm not in a position to test that I haven't broken anything else
[12:05] <cjwatson> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/hildon-desktop.64bit.diff
[12:05] <cjwatson> failing that, review from somebody who knows glib/gtk well wouldn't hurt
[12:10] <inz> Looks good to me at least ;)
[12:15] <vikramb11> no activity ?
[12:16] <lool> cjwatson: Oh ok
[12:16] <lool> cjwatson: I'm not in a position to test either; I don't have gutsy bootstrapped anywhere
[12:19] <lool> cjwatson: gsize changes look okay; GINT_TO_POINTER/GPOINTER_TO_INT stuff looks ok
[12:19] <lool> Ew, the upstream version reusing hildon_desktop_home_item_set_is_background() was a bit crude
[12:20] <cjwatson> ~[A
[12:20] <cjwatson> (sorry)
[12:20] <cjwatson> vikramb11: five minutes isn't long to wait :)
[12:21] <cjwatson> no, it was local lag and repeated reattach attempts causing screen and irssi to get a bit confused
[12:21] <cjwatson> I think perhaps I'll commit those hildon-desktop changes but not upload
[12:21] <cjwatson> I don't want to screw things up for folks at the sprint
[12:22] <cjwatson> lool: thanks
[12:22] <lool> The thanks are to you fox fixing it :-P
[01:41] <inz> Is there any (easy) way to test "64-bit compilation" without a 64-bit machine?
[02:07] <cjwatson_> inz: not that I can think of
[02:10] <inz> cjw, then I guess I need to either steal my gf's machine or go to the hardware store ;)
[02:14] <lool> inz: Perhaps qemu?
[03:07] <lool> Hmm unfortunately, casper fails to find the gutsy amd64 CD when run in qemy
[03:07] <lool> qemu-system-x86_64 even
[03:27] <lool> Not specific to amd64 it seems  :-/
[03:49] <cjwatson> lool: specific to qemu?
[04:16] <lool> cjwatson: I think so
[04:16] <lool> And vmware wasn't updated yet for 2.6.22; /me gives a try to kvm to get a gutsy env
[04:16] <lool> Module doesn't build; ah
[04:17] <lool> kvm seems based on qemu; I doubt it will do any better
[04:19] <lool> cjwatson: Ah, you can't boot on USB and IDE won't work with Ubuntu's kernel, but you can boot on IDE cdrom and pass the cdrom image as an USB disk at the same time: casper finds it   \o/
[06:35] <cjwatson> hildon-theme-layout-4 accepted and publishing now
[06:50] <moimart> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability
[06:52] <mdz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/hildon/
[07:01] <bspencer_> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability
[07:50] <Mithrandir> mdz: hiya, how's it going?
[07:51] <mdz> Mithrandir: a bit slowly, unfortunately
[07:51] <mdz> Mithrandir: I thought hildon-desktop was going to be ready on friday?
[07:52] <Mithrandir> it was, but all of its dependencies weren't, unfortunately.
[07:52] <Mithrandir> how's the specs progressing?
[07:53] <Mithrandir> I haven't really been online before now, so I haven't seen anything by email.
[07:54] <mdz> Mithrandir: I spent much of yesterday finishing the bootstrap of hildon-desktop
[07:54] <mdz> and now we have it running in a chroot
[07:54] <mdz> with Xephyr
[07:54] <mdz> though it looks very strange
[07:54] <Mithrandir> missing theme bits, or something else?
[07:55] <mdz> not sure yet
[08:02] <Mithrandir> mdz: have you had any progress on the specs or focues squarely on bootstrapping?
[08:02] <mdz> Mithrandir: I have personally been spending most of my time on bootstrapping, because this is the only opportunity we have to set up gutsy development environments
[08:02] <mdz> Mithrandir: kyle has been working on the kernel spec
[08:03] <Mithrandir> do you know what the rest has been doing?
[08:12] <mdz> Mithrandir: we have discussed some design issues, the kernel, worked together on setting up development environments, did some whiteboarding yesterday
[08:16] <mdz> Mithrandir: what have you been doing about autogen with the maemo packages you've imported?
[08:16] <mdz> Mithrandir: adding the build-dependencies, or pregenerating?
[08:19] <Mithrandir> pregenerating in most cases
[08:19] <Mithrandir> I'm somewhat tempted to change that into adding the build-depends.
[08:39] <mdz> Mithrandir: I've been doing that for the sake of expediency
[08:40] <Mithrandir> that's fine with me, at least.
[08:40] <Mithrandir> but, we're off for food here now.  I'll see if I can drop by later; leaving messages on IRC is probably better than email until I go to debconf.
[09:01] <cjwatson> hildon-theme-plankton failed to build for the same reason as before, https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/347830
[09:01] <cjwatson> mdz: ^--
[09:02] <mdz> cjwatson: hmm, I uploaded a new version since that one
[09:02] <mdz> which probably hasn't built yet
[09:02] <cjwatson> this is the one uploaded an hour ago
[09:02] <mdz> 4.8.2-1ubuntu3 is latest
[09:02] <cjwatson> I see there's another one in accepted though, ok
[09:04] <mdz> I'm bootstrapping a pbuilder here to try to avoid this, but it's taking a while to download (and failed the last time)
[11:10] <kylem> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/hildon/
[11:41] <mdz> rusty_: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.gutsy
[11:58] <mdz> rusty_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement explains the setup
[12:03] <rusty_> ok
[12:14] <rusty_> mdz, shouldn't we have sdk-default-icons in the mobile seed?


[12:43] <Cronelius> whats going on
[12:52] <ebel> yo
[12:56] <Cronelius> who ubuntu here?
[12:58] <ebel> i use ubuntu
[12:58] <Cronelius> cool, do you bother with games/steam on it?
[12:59] <ebel> not often. i don't play a lot of games
[12:59] <ebel> i do have steam and occasionally ise that
[13:00] <Cronelius> Thats a shame, you should play more.
[13:00] <Cronelius> Is this channel a hobbiest group?
[13:04] <ebel> Hobbyist? what do you mean?
[13:04] <ebel> Many here are hobbyists, but many (like me) use ubuntu in a professional setting
[13:07] <ebel> How about you?  I'm a software dev and I mostly work on windows but I like to spin up linux every now and then
[13:10] <ebel> :)
[13:11] <Cronelius> I'm looking forward to more games using steam and this stupid thing Microsoft has done with DX12
[13:13] <ebel> what did they do with it?
[13:13] <Cronelius> Any games using DX12 must be sold through the windows app store
[13:13] <Cronelius> i think exclusively
[13:14] <ebel> erk
[13:17] <Cronelius> http://www.windowscentral.com/directx-12-will-indeed-be-exclusive-windows-10
[13:17] <Cronelius> oh wrong link
[13:19] <Cronelius> http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/224173-unreal-developer-blasts-microsoft-claims-company-wants-to-monopolize-game-development


[20:37] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin 2.7.0 released @ http://www.mail-archive.com/xfce-announce@xfce.org/msg00635.html


[02:16] <Mozhi> Howz  Ubuntu for mobiles going to different from android?
[02:55] <asotocr> Yes
[06:02] <dholbach> good morning
[15:10] <maurice> I want to see you playing in this guitair


[16:34] <amjjawad> pleia2: Hi, you there?
[17:12] <GridCube> knome, do you have the icon for deviantART so i can update it?
[17:13] <GridCube> lderan, you said you could help, want me to send you an invitation to join as administrator?
[17:13] <lderan> sure :)
[17:14] <GridCube> whats your dA username?
[17:14] <lderan> lderan
[17:15] <GridCube> sounds appropriated
[17:16] <GridCube> :) hi amerigena
[17:16] <amerigena> howdy
[17:16] <amerigena> so what's going on with the screenshot gallery?
[17:17] <GridCube> :) i've resent you the intivation to be an admin on deviant art
[17:18] <GridCube> can you please log in and accept the invitation
[17:18] <GridCube> lderan, you too
[17:18] <amerigena> OK.
[17:18] <amerigena> One minute.
[17:18] <GridCube> and if pleia2 its around her too.
[17:18] <lderan> done
[17:19] <knome> GridCube, i'll finish it at latest tomorrow.
[17:19] <GridCube> 'kay
[17:19] <GridCube> :) great lderan
[17:20] <amerigena> Done.
[17:21] <GridCube> :D great
[17:21] <GridCube> ok so now you will see that if i submit an image to my gallery and propose it for xubuntu-showcase you will recieve a message in dA
[17:23] <amerigena> Cool.
[17:23] <knome> amjjawad, what's up?
[17:23] <amjjawad> knome: Hey :)
[17:24] <amjjawad> I'm fine what about you
[17:25] <knome> i'm fine. did you have a question for pleia2? just go ahead and ask, and she'll answer when she gets back, or others can answer before that
[17:25] <GridCube> ok i've sent the image, it should be in your message boards amerigena, lderan
[17:26] <amerigena> Yep. Just saw it.
[17:26] <lderan> test submit to xubunutu-showcase please disregard
[17:26] <amjjawad> knome: not really, just a follow up on my email that I thought to discuss over there
[17:26] <amjjawad> knome: but that is okay, I got the point now, thanks :)
[17:27] <GridCube> yes, you will see it needs 3 votes to pass to the xubuntu-showcase gallery
[17:27] <amerigena> So basically all we have to do is keep an eye on our DA accounts and look for submitted content?
[17:27] <amerigena> Got it.
[17:27] <GridCube> yes, but do please open the image and try to find under wich licence it was submitted
[17:28] <lderan> sure thing
[17:28] <amerigena> OK.
[17:28] <GridCube> you will see it at the bottom
[17:28] <GridCube> its under cc v3
[17:29] <GridCube> so it means the submitter chosed that licence, if thats not there it shouldnt be accepted, per the rules we stated previously
[17:29] <GridCube> now accept the submition
[17:30] <GridCube> submission
[17:30] <lderan> done
[17:31] <GridCube> amerigena, :) please if you accept now it will automatically send the image to our galleries
[17:33] <GridCube> notice that i sent the submission directly to featured, we can change that to proposed, and make submission to featured unavailable, and then move manually the ones we find particularly good to the featured gallery, we can also organize the images in folders by month and year and stuffs like that
[17:33] <GridCube> once amerigena accepts it ill show you how to move them around in the galleries
[17:36] <amerigena> Trying. Where do I accept? I'm looking.
[17:37] <GridCube> amerigena, :) in your message are, at the side, there is an orange house with the #xubuntu-showcase words alongside it
[17:37] <GridCube> clic on it to see all the messages from xubuntu-showcase, tehre you should see the accept button
[17:38] <amerigena> OK. Got it. Looking in the wrong area. Accepted.
[17:40] <GridCube> :) excellent
[17:41] <GridCube> now if you go to the top you will see your deviantart name has a down arrow near it, if you hover it you will see the groups you are joined
[17:41] <GridCube> click in xubuntu-showcase
[17:41] <GridCube> you will go to http://xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com/
[17:41] <GridCube> now clic on the gallery tab
[17:43] <amerigena> Seen.
[17:44] <GridCube> ok so if you hover an image you should see a pencil icon poping out
[17:44] <amerigena> Edit?
[17:45] <amjjawad> knome: I'm sorry by the way if I'm asking too much but things in Xubuntu is completely different than Lubuntu and I need to get used to it :)
[17:45] <GridCube> if you clic that pencil you will see a few options, please move my submission to the folder named 2013 - July
[17:45] <knome> amjjawad, no problem
[17:45] <GridCube> amerigena, i would guess its edit, yes
[17:45] <amjjawad> knome: thanks a lot :)
[17:46] <knome> amjjawad, that's one of the reasons why "experienced" users aren't given any different treatment than totally new contributors though
[17:46] <amjjawad> knome: yes, I'm starting to figure that out :)
[17:46] <Unit193> And that's the thing to keep in mind, Lubuntu and Xubuntu have the same core, but they aren't the same.
[17:47] <amjjawad> we used to do the opposite on Lubuntu. Anyone, can join and called official member
[17:47] <amjjawad> Unit193: yes, from the emails that I'm reading so far, I came to find out they are totally different when it comes to the way each community runs itself :)
[17:48] <amjjawad> This will increase my experiences and skills. I like that :)
[17:49] <GridCube> knome, :) i've made this user http://xubmits.deviantart.com/
[17:49] <knome> GridCube, have you checked what the deviantart terms say about shared accounts?
[17:50] <knome> GridCube, i would think those are forbidden, since with those you can spam and abuse the system
[17:50] <amerigena> Done.
[17:50] <GridCube> not really, they where pretty much used a whole lot before the groups where invented
[17:50] <knome> GridCube, and remember, we don't *have* to get all the submissions through dA
[17:51] <GridCube> no no, thats the idea, the submissions not on dA can be uploaded there so we have them centered on one place we can easily manage
[17:52] <GridCube> ok perfect amerigena :)
[17:52] <GridCube> lderan, can you move the submission to proposed?
[17:52] <GridCube> amerigena, if you see in the xubuntu-showcase page you can go to the about-us page and add some information about you :3
[17:53] <knome> GridCube, i would say those can be uploaded to dA by users who have dA accounts
[17:53] <lderan> done :D
[17:53] <knome> the TOS doesn't explicitly say that's forbidden, but i'm sure they'd tell you you can't do it if you asked
[17:53] <GridCube> knome, :) yes, but if we get some trhough email or twitter, we can hub them to the group
[17:54] <GridCube> knome, not really
[17:54] <knome> GridCube, don't we have multiple moderators with dA accounts to do that?
[17:54] <knome> i'm failing to see why we need an additional account
[17:55] <knome> the moderators are committed to working with dA and moderating the images because they are on dA and care about it
[17:55] <knome> others aren't, so why should they take extra effort to upload things there?
[17:55] <GridCube> knome, well yes
[17:56] <GridCube> P: didnt though of that
[17:56] <GridCube> you are right
[17:57] <GridCube> i will leave it there just in case
[17:57] <knome> re: upload to featured/proposed, feel free to do whatever makes sense in dA
[17:57] <knome> though you might want to use the featured gallery to pick things you want to send to the website gallery next
[17:58] <GridCube> it should go first to proposed and then moved to featured the exceptional ones
[17:58] <GridCube> yes that
[17:58] <GridCube> will make so proposed its the only one that people can send
[17:58] <knome> oki
[17:59] <knome> and thanks for going through the submission/moderation stuff with other moderators
[17:59] <amerigena> GridCube : done
[18:00] <GridCube> lderan, :) you can add something too to the about us tab
[18:00] <GridCube> amerigena, now you can delete the submission from the folders?
[18:00] <GridCube> if you do that i think all the stuffs we need to know to manage the page will be covered
[18:02] <GridCube> ok :) now its food time
[18:02] <GridCube> see you later if you have any more questions
[18:02] <lderan> okay :)
[18:02] <knome> bon appetit
[18:02] <jjfrv8> knome, I pushed a 12.04  docs revision to my branch last night but had trouble with permissions. I mentioned that in the comments.
[18:02] <knome> ok, i'll look at that
[18:03] <knome> did you do a merge request or just pushed?
[18:03] <jjfrv8> I did a merge request after I revised the push
[18:04] <knome> okay
[18:04] <jjfrv8> it wouldn't let me push it to ...xubuntu-docs/precise, I had to send it to ...xubuntu-docs that then specify "other" in the merge request target.
[18:04] <amerigena> GridCube : thought that I'd moved it to July 2013. It was back in Proposed. I removed it.
[18:05] <knome> jjfrv8, weird one. maybe you just need to have a different branch name than "precise"
[18:05] <amerigena> Adios. Will keep an eye on the DA gallery.
[18:05] <amerigena> Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.
[18:05] <knome> jjfrv8, or actually... maybe you should have pushed to lp:~jjfrv8/xubuntu-
[18:05] <knome> err...
[18:05] <knome> jjfrv8, lp:~jjfrv8/xubuntu-docs/precise/branchname
[18:06] <jjfrv8> That's what I did.
[18:06] <knome> didn't you say you tried to push to .../precise ?
[18:06] <jjfrv8> Well, I omitted the last part, I did append my branchname
[18:07] <knome> oki
[18:07] <knome> then that's just weird.
[18:07] <knome> i can look at that later today
[18:07] <jjfrv8> Thanks.
[18:08] <knome> also the merge proposal
[18:08] <jjfrv8> I think the merge proposal went to the right place but let me know if not.
[18:09] <knome> it looks like that, sure
[18:31] <ochosi> micahg: reminder: gtk-theme-config > debian! :)
[19:26] <knome> pleia2, you around?
[19:27] <knome> or anyone with debian packaging skills ;)
[19:29] <Unit193> "Skills" I don't have, but what's up?
[19:29] <knome> 12.04 docs SRU
[19:29] <knome> re: changelog
[19:30] <knome> what's the correct way to add the SRU version into changelog?
[19:36] <knome> eg. does the SRU version need to be bigger than any other released version?
[19:37] <knome> in our case, stupidly 13.10-precise<IP_ADDRESS> or sth
[19:37] <knome> or does it just need to be bigger than what the current release in precise is?
[19:37] <knome> in that case, 12.04.3
[19:38] <Unit193> Bah, really?  Oh well.  Typcially they do 13.10really12.04.3 or something like that.
[19:38] <knome> i mean anyway, does it have to be bigger than anything that's been released in between
[19:39] <knome> or not
[19:39] <knome> eg. just bigger than what's released in 12.04
[19:39] <Unit193> Just bigger than the last version in 12.04.
[19:39] <knome> you sure?
[19:40] <knome> if that's true, should i go and poke the changelog and insert a release in between the ones that are there currently?
[19:40] <knome> (we don't seem to have *any* release that starts with 12.04...)
[19:40] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs
[19:41] <knome> yup, it says 11.10.0 ;)
[19:42] <Unit193> It was copied forward, not even changed for the title was it?
[19:42] <knome> i've no idea.
[19:42] <knome> probably not...
[19:42] <knome> well done us!
[19:43] <knome>
[19:43] <knome> Changelog
[19:43] <knome> xubuntu-docs (11.10.0) oneiric; urgency=low
[19:43] <knome>   * desktop-guide/libs/global.ent, startpage/xubuntu-index.html: updated
[19:43] <knome>     for oneiric.
[19:43] <knome>  -- Lionel Le Folgoc<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:55:11 +0200
[19:43] <knome> yep!
[19:43] <knome> copied from oneiric which was copied from natty
[19:43] <knome> yay
[21:00] <Unit193> Does it make sense to anyone else to map Ctrl+Esc xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu rather than the slower xfdesktop --menu ?
[21:02] <knome> probably, but since i'm not using that myself...
[21:02] <Unit193> I remap it myself.
[21:03] <knome> then file a bug and send a patch or sth.
[21:03] <knome> :)
[21:03] <Unit193> (Yes, I know that I may not be normal user.) Well, I was more asking for feedback, I could easily do a patch, and fairly easily do a merge.
[21:05] <knome> actually, there's a possible bug related to this
[21:06] <knome> in settings manager -> desktop -> tab menus, uncheck "show applications menu..." and neither of the commands pop up a menu
[21:07] <Unit193> xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu is still good mapped to Ctrl+Esc with that.
[21:27] <knome> how is it good if that setting makes the shortcut not work?
[21:31] <Unit193> If you disable that setting, my keybind still works, not sure about default.
[21:31] <Unit193> Default does as well, but of course you can't bring up the application menu.
[21:32] <knome> but xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu odesn't work for me if i disable that...
[21:32] <knome> so wouldn't that mean it wouldn't work with the keybind either? ;)
[21:32] <Unit193> Works for me™
[21:33] <knome> that's known to have regressions :P
[21:33] <Unit193> Are you on Raring?
[21:33] <knome> ~$ lsb_release -a
[21:34] <knome> Description:	Ubuntu 13.04


[19:20] <hans_> if i have 2 running programs, A and B, then A will be first on the taskbar and B will be 2nd because of the order they were started. can i somehow re-arrange the running programs on the taskbar so i can see B first and A second?
[19:21] <hans_> like in Windows i would just hold down the mouse on A and drag it over B and their positions would swap
[19:21] <rud0lf> right click on the panel bar , "Panel" - "Settings"
[19:22] <rud0lf> select "Window Buttons" and under Sorting select "None: let drag and drop"
[19:23] <rud0lf> ah Window Buttons is in "Applets" tab
[19:23] <hans_> im either in the wrong place, or "Settings" isn't an option, i just see "Add new Items..." and "Panel Preferences" and "Log Out" and "Help" and "About"
[19:23] <rud0lf> try panel preferences
[19:23] <rud0lf> i have localized to polish so i'm a bit of guessing original name
[19:24] <rud0lf> +xubuntu
[19:24] <hans_> https://i.imgur.com/kg1sdNO.png  got this thing
[19:25] <rud0lf> hans_: "Items" tab
[19:25] <rud0lf> second position after whisker menu, for me it's "Window Buttons" (Przyciski Okien)
[19:25] <hans_> found it! thanks
[19:25] <rud0lf> you're welcome
[20:11] <lighterowl> oh yeah, I remember being very happy after finally finding that option.


[04:49] <boredandblogging> i see the sign in button is back on the fridge
[05:32] <Burgundavia> wow, openid actually works
[05:36] <boredandblogging> very cool
[05:39] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: has the queue been tested? like no one can just create an entry and post it to the front page?
[19:38] <newz2000> hi, I'm going to make a change to the way the fridge works, if anyone has a chance to test soon I'd really appreciate it
[19:45] <newz2000> ok, I set the default role to editor and nali and rinchen are also admins.
[19:46] <newz2000> The goal is to see if this re-enables the approval que system
[19:46] <newz2000> if someone has a min to test it, I would love to find out how it works
[19:46] <newz2000> (btw, not saying you others can't be admins, I'm happy to re-enable self approval)


[08:17] <mwhudson> morning
[08:17] <ajmitch> morning
[08:31] <kcj> Morning.
[08:52] <Atamira> its 21.52pm
[08:52] <Atamira> in nz
[08:53] <Atamira> how can that be morning?
[08:57] <ajmitch> we're not in NZ?
[08:58] <ojwb> morning
[11:38] <Atamira> gosh are you all out of the country atm?
[11:44] <ajmitch> a few of us are
[11:45] <ajmitch> currently at UDS
[11:54] <elky> And now it is morning.
[15:41] <ojwb> morning
[18:33] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:35] <kcj> Morning.
[18:46] <chilts> morning
[18:46] <chilts> ojwb: anywhere near Sandy or should you be okay?
[19:49] <ajmitch> evening
[21:09] <Atamira> morning
[21:41] <hads> morning
[22:25] <ojwb> chilts: last I checked, california was on the west coast, so not terribly near
[22:26] <ojwb> given i'm flying in the opposite direction, i doubt it'll be an issue
[22:48] <ibeardslee> merika, it's the same thing right?
[22:53] <ojwb> you australians crack me up
[23:02] <ibeardslee> heh
[23:41] <chilts> yeah, but isn't Sandy like 1,000 billion kms across?
[23:41] <chilts> anyway, glad to hear you'll be fine
[23:41] <chilts> forgot you were at Google on the East coast :)


[01:38] <fluter> hi
[01:38] <fluter> is there a tool to log and track all the events emited and handled by upstart and jobs?
[10:31] <xnox> fluter: please stay on irc
[10:31] <xnox> fluter: i've answered before, but you left.
[10:31] <xnox> fluter: there is upstart-monitor
[10:31] <xnox> and one can also use dbus-monitor
[10:32] <xnox> fluter: another option is to set $ initctl log-priority debug
[11:02] <fluter> xnox, sorry about that,
[11:03] <fluter> xnox, I'd like to see all event since system starts,
[11:03] <fluter> initctl will be late I think
[11:03] <fluter> I will use upstart-monitor, thanks a lot
[11:04] <xnox> fluter: you can specify "--debug" on kernel command line, then it will be honer from the start of upstart
[11:04] <fluter> xnox, ah, that's great,
[11:04] <fluter> let me try it
[16:41] <jgornick> hey guys, if I start my application via start-stop-daemon, how can I run some script to stop the daemon when service my-service stop is called?
[16:42] <xnox> jgornick: did you look into "pre-stop" stanzas?
[16:42] <xnox> jgornick: in the cookboot
[16:42] <xnox> jgornick: in the cookbook
[16:44] <jgornick> xnox: Yes, but does that mean I should start-stop-daemon --start in the pre-start stanza and start-stop-daemon --stop in pre-stop stanza?
[16:44] <xnox> jgornick: no, why?
[16:44] <xnox> jgornick: pre-stop runs before killing the main pid.
[16:44] <xnox> jgornick: if you want to do clean up after your daemon is killed, use "post-stop"
[16:45] <xnox> (post-stop exec; or post-stop script/end script)
[16:45] <jgornick> xnox: I think you just shed some light on how Upstart works.
[16:45] <xnox> jgornick: it's all in the cookbook.
[16:45] <xnox> jgornick: read about the job life-cycle and what happens after what.
[16:45] <jgornick> xnox: Will do. Thank you!
[16:52] <jgornick> xnox: Is it good practice to use start-stop-dameon with Upstart?
[16:58] <detrout> I'm running upstart on debian testing/unstable and with kde and networkmanager. my laptop doesn't try to redetect network after changing locations while its sleeping.
[16:58] <detrout> any suggestions on where to look to diagnose that?
[17:01] <xnox> jgornick: usually no. but it's the last resort, if the daemon miss-behaves. (E.g. forks more than twice to reach the "main" process)
[17:01] <xnox> detrout: as far as I understand that's unrelated to upstart, just pure network-manager debugging.
[17:02] <xnox> detrout: and/or standard debian if-up / if-down scripts
[17:02] <detrout> ok
[17:02] <jgornick> xnox: Thanks for the insight. I've been able to get my application to start and stop gracefully now.
[17:02] <xnox> jgornick: no problem
[17:02] <detrout> i was wondering if upstart was missing the sleep/resume event and not triggering a reconnect
[17:03] <xnox> detrout: upstart drops an if.up script to generate events. but it doesn't configure networking at all.
[17:03] <detrout> where would the if.up script be?
[17:03] <xnox> detrout: no, upstart doesn't do anything on sleep/resume. pm-utils handles that.
[17:03] <detrout> ahh ok
[17:04] <xnox> detrout: if up & down scripts are all in /etc/network/. Again it's not upstart, but rather standard debian.
[17:04] <detrout> ok
[17:05] <detrout> and to make sure i'm understanding it... pm-utils is responsible for triggering on the ACPI sleep resume events, it calls into debian ifup/down,
[17:07] <detrout> xnox: thank you for explaining.
[17:28] <xnox> detrout: pm-utils is responsible, unless you are running under logind session management, in that case it does take over some functionalities - e.g. activies triggered by power button, etc.
[17:30] <detrout> xnox: sid's network-manager pulls in libsystemd-logind
[17:31] <xnox> detrout: it's best for you to seek support on #debian / #debian-devel on OFTC.
[17:32] <detrout> Ok. thank you
[17:32] <xnox> detrout: i'm not that involved in debian network / boot stacks. despite being a debian developer =)
[17:32] <detrout> at least now I have a better idea why it worked when I was running systemd-sysv


[02:53] <porthose> ±
[09:41] <hakermania> Hell - o :P
[16:51] <dupondje> can things still get synced today ?
[16:51] <dupondje> as FF is today right ?
[16:51] <micahg> dupondje: 2100 now
[16:52] <dupondje> uh ?
[16:53] <micahg> dupondje: Feature freeze is 2100 UTC
[16:53] <dupondje> oh ok :D
[16:53] <dupondje> can you sync clang for me ? :)
[16:57] <dupondje> it will fix some ftbfs currently, so guess we'd like it :D
[17:02] <micahg> dupondje: can you file a request please, I"m about to step out
[17:03] <dupondje> k
[17:07] <geser> dupondje: is it a new upstream version? we can still sync new revision from Debian after FF as long as it doesn't violate the FF
[17:07] <dupondje> Its a new version in debian yea
[18:16] <balachmar> Hi, I have asked here about a new version of eclipse (3.7) and I was told to see whether the version in debian experimental would install properly
[18:17] <balachmar> However, I am unsure, how I should proceed.
[18:19] <balachmar> I have read something about packaging earlier, and I remember something about using the "dsc" file should I use that now as well, or start with the debian.tar.gz?[eclipse_3.7~exp-2.dsc]
[18:23] <jtaylor> pulling the dsc with dget will fetch all that is needed
[18:23] <jtaylor> dget -ux url-to-dsc
[18:23] <jtaylor> but its probably a bit late to get it into oneiric
[18:23] <jtaylor> feature freeze in  3 hours
[18:25] <balachmar> yeah I know
[18:25] <balachmar> But if it works flawlessly (which I do not expect) I could always ask for an exception
[18:26] <balachmar> And if it doesn't work flawlessly, it is good to know, right :)
[18:28] <balachmar> Or maybe later for backports or something
[18:33] <hakermania> Wait, feature freeze wasn't expected to take place today? Or at 23:59:59 today?
[18:33] <jtaylor> 2100 UTC
[18:41] <hakermania> jtalor, that means...?
[18:41] <hakermania> jtaylor,
[18:42] <balachmar> UTC = GMT
[18:42] <balachmar> so that is in 2:18
[18:42] <jtaylor> coordinated universal time
[18:54] <balachmar> I will try to build Eclipse 3.7 in pbuilder. And will post results here
[19:33] <OwaisL> Hey guys, could someone help me out with mentioning dependencies in debain/control ? The problem is I've a bunch of dependencies on GIR files.
[19:33] <OwaisL> to be more precise how to do something like this gir1.2-package-*
[19:35] <OwaisL> Actually, i had mentioned gir1.2-indicate-0.5 as dependency which was just bumped to 1.6 and now I have to manually update the control file. Is there a "wildcard" way of doing this?
[19:36] <jtaylor> for build dependencies no
[19:36] <jtaylor> runtime dependencies usually via substitution variables, but that requires that there is a tool to create them
[19:36] <jtaylor> I'm unfamiliar if that exists for gir
[19:37] <OwaisL> It is runtime dependency. So I have to manually edit control each time then. Bummer,  got like bunch of gir deps.
[19:38] <jtaylor> dh_girrepository?
[19:38] <jtaylor> just googled that: http://www.makelinux.net/man/1/D/dh_girepository
[19:39] <OwaisL> jtaylor, thanks mate! will check it out.
[20:19] <pindonga> hey ajmitch , I just happened to see you uploaded django-configglue! a million thanks!
[20:19] <ajmitch> pindonga: no problem, sorry I cut it close :)
[20:19] <pindonga> on the contrary
[20:19] <Laney> what a great guy!
[20:19] <ajmitch> Laney: :P
[20:19] <pindonga> I'm grateful you took  all the work
[20:21] <Laney> was this an rdep of something cool?
[20:21] <ajmitch> Laney: django-configglue wasn't, configglue itself is used by U1
[20:21] <Laney> aha
[20:22] <ajmitch> so that depends on your opinion of ubuntu one :)
[20:23] <Laney> my fingers hurt
[20:23] <Laney> jfyi
[20:23] <ajmitch> been too busy working?
[20:23] <Laney> if only
[20:23] <Laney> just climbing
[20:24] <Laney> got mocked by a teenage girl for being pants at one climb
[20:24] <ajmitch> hah
[20:26]  * Elbrus is not good enough in English to understand the expression "for being pants"
[20:27]  * Elbrus also climbs (but only outdoor)
[20:27] <Laney> = bad
[20:27] <Elbrus> aha
[20:27] <ajmitch> you need to understand British English :)
[20:30] <pindonga> Laney, django-configglue is cool by itself ;-) (don't heed to the developer :p)
[20:31] <ajmitch> right, but nothing in oneiric depends on it yet :)
[20:31] <Laney> heh, I believe you :-)
[20:31] <pindonga> ajmitch, yeah
[21:04] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clang/+bug/824800 => could somebody ack? Package builds fine
[21:07] <micahg> dupondje: I think that's more bugfix than feature personally
[21:08] <micahg> dupondje: ignore me :), that's still a feature...
[21:08] <dupondje> we need it to fix ftbfs of some packages :)
[21:09] <dupondje> And another question, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apcalc/+bug/817579 . When do we choose libreadline-gplv2-dev, when libreadline-dev?
[21:09] <micahg> dupondje: well, that should be easy enough for an FFe
[21:10] <micahg> dupondje: it depends on the licensing, anything that's not compatible with the new readline6 license, needs to use libreadline-gplv2-dev
[21:11] <dupondje> readline6 is indeed gplv3
[21:11] <dupondje> but don't ask me whats the difference ... :)
[21:12] <micahg> dupondje: I think this is why doko wanted the transition handled in Debian :)
[21:12] <dupondje> yea he reported a bug 2 years ago in debian ...
[21:13] <dupondje> no response
[21:13] <dupondje> guess somebody should nmu it ...
[21:13] <micahg> I thought apcalc was just uploaded in debian
[21:13] <micahg> oh, maybe not, that was another thing w/readline
[21:13] <dupondje> http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apcalc.html guess not :D
[21:21] <dupondje> package builds with libreadline-dev & libreadline-gplv2-dev ... but no idea what one is the one to choose for this license
[21:44] <tumbleweed> dupondje: you'll notice that one depends on libreadline 5 and one on 6. If you don't have a good reason to need gplv2, stick to -dev