[08:06] <zzoa_-_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSA-SY5Hro
[08:06] <zzoa_-_> I wish politicians would look out for miners
[08:06] <zzoa_-_> And not just minors on an island somewhere
[08:06] <zzoa_-_> Lord, we got folks in the street, ain’t got nothin’ to eat
[08:06] <zzoa_-_> And the obese milkin’ welfare
[08:06] <zzoa_-_> irc.supernets.org #superbowl
[11:57] <utkojhamela> IrcsomeBot: <Omarvx211> Rather than storing trash files to individiual partition,  Trash files move to ~/.local/share/Trash. I tried so many times, creating .Trash, creating.  Trash-{userid}; stickybit or something like whatever it says-- no way. It still moves files to home trash location. Then after frustration, I symlinked home trash to another drive folder. :( . Thats why I said don't use trash. It is trash.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 9889
 Hey guys! Was anyone able to run AMD XTX 7900 on Kubuntu? Latest kernel 6, latest distro upgrade and still can't boot.
 Hey guys! Has anyone been able to run AMD XTX 7900 on Kubuntu? Latest kernel 6, latest distro upgrade and still can't boot.
[18:46] <user|22> hello all! I need some help. I have a laptop with Ubuntu on an NVME drive. I plugged in a bootable Kubuntu flash drive (USB-A) and then plugged in another USB drive (USB-B). During the install steps, I made sure to select USB-B as the installation media and selected use entire disk + LVM option.
[18:46] <user|22> I can boot into the USB-B drive now but it seems that might main NVME drive has now been wiped. When I unplug the Kubuntu drive, it goes straight to the GRUB menu with no other bootable option. Did I do something wrong?
[19:08] <cbreak> ubuntu is not good with putting its bootloaders into the right efi partition :/
[19:09] <cbreak> you can check if your nvme is still containing data if you boot into the system and use lsblk or similar
[19:57] <Guest87> phew yes thank you! I checked in grub and the filesystem is still there. I ran the boot-repair SW from a bootable USB and it has fixed the issue thank you. It looks like the boot configuration was changed
[20:00] <Guest87> I guess note to self that I should just do a manual install next time on instead of letting the Install SW run on the entire disk and modify the grub partitions
 I'll appreciate anyone's answer. I already searched the internet and people suggest me moving to Fedora and PopOs but I don't want that! I want to stick with Kubuntu just have my AMD card work with it.
[21:30] <janek_> hi
[21:34] <Drukarexpl> hi


[14:15] <Chrizzieej> hello guys
[14:16] <Chrizzieej> i've got a question: how can I join the Ubuntu Testing Group?
[15:01] <skorasaurus> howdy.
[15:02] <skorasaurus> i want to register my hardware profile for proposed, however the link on the wiki might be outdated.
[15:03] <skorasaurus> it sends me to this page - https://bugs.launchpad.net/proposed-tracking/+bugs which is still for hardy
[18:11] <skorasaurus> hello.
[22:44] <johncrichton> hi


[00:29] <diddledan> tinder gets too intrusive: https://twitter.com/edenthecat/status/819597750639673344
[00:35] <zmoylan-pi> at least it wasn't asking what make model keyboard they use... that would be too personal a question...
[00:43] <daftykins> nothing like text delivered as images
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> the limitation of twitters 140 limits...
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> i just hope the usa military makes the launch codes 141+ characters by next week...
[00:48] <diddledan> lol, that would be funny
[08:46] <SuperMatt> did we all chortle at Guilliani's poor cyber security? He's apparently Trump's cymber security guru
[08:47] <SuperMatt> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/13/giuliani_joomla_outdated_site/ for reference
[08:56] <SuperMatt> ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
[08:56] <SuperMatt> uuhhhh
[08:56] <SuperMatt> don't know where that came from
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all we can haz snow
[09:29] <diplo> Morning! Ours lasted 2 mins and then just froze, now nothing :)
[09:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday (what, already?), and happy Make Your Dream Come True Day! 😃
[12:11] <foobarry> quiet today
[12:12] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe6HFTm7lbQ
[13:02] <foobarry> my 3yr old child has just used the most beautiful language ever to describe a poo
[13:02] <foobarry> "it dived into my wee like a dolphin"
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> ^this is what sleep deprivation does to you...
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> :-)
[14:13] <diddledan> talk about tempting fate: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/819904788192231424
[14:27] <davmor2> diddledan: hahahahaha I love that it got to hel :)
[14:28] <diddledan> I missed that bit
[14:28] <diddledan> haha
[14:28] <davmor2> diddledan: if it had of been heading for Heaven it would of course crashed and burned
[14:28] <diddledan> lol
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> i hope their duty free stocked up on rabbits feet, 4 leaf clovers and mini bibles...
[15:50] <KingsQuest> netinstall lubuntu 16.04 LTS and it will be Amiga 4.01 without updates including the kernel on UK servers only Africa must use netinstall. on their servers 800 days.
[16:07] <SuperMatt> o/~ it's the end of the week as we know it, and I feel fine
[16:07] <popey> \o/
[16:07] <popey> FFFFFFRIDAY!
[16:08] <SuperMatt> I take it you're an REM fan?
[16:11] <popey> not so much a fan
[16:11] <popey> more a fan of fridays
[16:11] <SuperMatt> Oh well that's the important bit
[16:13] <davmor2> popey: Who isn't
[16:15] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/githubstatus/status/819940738452615168
[16:15] <diddledan> who broke it?
[16:18] <davmor2> diddledan: most likely me I break everything it's my job :)
[16:19] <diddledan> https://status.github.com/ shows they lost every app server
[16:19] <Laney> davmor2 broke my soul a long time ago
[16:19] <popey> )
[16:19] <popey> MY EYES!
[16:19] <popey> :)
[16:20] <popey> ah, there they are
[16:21] <davmor2> Laney: I just do my job that well ;)  Besides that was easy willcooke was the really challenge everything is like water off a ducks back to him :D
[16:23]  * Seeker` panics
[16:24] <diddledan> Seeker`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgonBt1oa9Y
[16:40] <diddledan> super mario run's onboarding experience dissected: http://www.useronboard.com/how-supermariorun-onboards-new-users/
[16:42] <daftykins> if anyone ever buys from these guys, beware they send you your password by email in plaintext - https://www.smartbuyglasses.co.uk/
[16:42] <daftykins> hmm wasn't there a site for naming and shaming these instances...
[16:43] <daftykins> plaintextoffenders.com :D
[16:47] <diddledan> "toll free" phone? in the UK? don't they mean freefone?
[16:48] <diddledan> and the number doesn't begin with an 0
[16:48] <daftykins> nah i had some fun dialling it just now
[16:48] <daftykins> my mobile said no, had to use skype
[16:49] <popey> diddledan: that presentation is hilarious
[16:49] <popey> slide 56-58 are funny
[16:52] <diddledan> how does the divX company still exisst?
[16:53] <daftykins> it does? D:
[16:54] <daftykins> i'd guess licensing but who would possibly want anything they have...
[16:55] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: might have a job for you, a guy in another channel has someone's lotus 123 db that's corrupted itself :D
[16:55] <diddledan> lotus is still a thing, too?!
[16:56] <daftykins> just a silly no-backups client of his i think :>
[16:56] <daftykins> ('his' being the other channel fella)
[18:07] <diddledan> this looks freaky: the whispers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r9glhaxaL0
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> probably some accountant who just got set in their way of lotuses macros probably...
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> ...and my spreadsheet is as easy as... not lotus :-P
[18:37] <daftykins> :)
[18:38] <daftykins> ugh in a right bind with a clients machine, he was sold Office 2013 by some local guy but never supplied a product key etc... so i can't do much about reinstalling
[18:38] <daftykins> as of 2010 or 2013 they don't put keys in the registry anymore
[18:39] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: we had that on an AMSTRAD PC1512 system (MSDOS 3.2 and an 86 processor (not even a 186 or 286!)
[18:40] <diddledan> daftykins: ergh that's sucky
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> i see it as my job to make the nsa have to keep developers around to decode ancient obscure formats...
[18:41] <zmoylan-pi> and using base 9 for my maths is just my irish way of splitting the difference between base 8 and base 10 and using a system that annoys everyone :-D
[18:41] <daftykins> we emailed the other guy and he said he'd look, but he's not lifted a finger i bet
[19:24] <diddledan> wow, langurs being sad: https://www.facebook.com/BBCOne/videos/1411713292195556/
[19:26] <daftykins> damn humans messing with their feels!
[19:27]  * diddledan hugs
[19:28] <daftykins> diddledan: hold me!
[19:28] <diddledan> pervert
[19:28] <daftykins> :<
[19:28] <diddledan> :-p
[19:28] <daftykins> have i mentioned despising machines with HDDs?
[19:28]  * diddledan giggles like the schoolgirl he dreams he was
[19:28] <daftykins> uuuugh everything is so slow
[19:28] <diddledan> ouch
[19:29] <diddledan> I can't do HDD anymore except in my NAS
[19:29] <daftykins> indeedy, i've got an SSD ready to go for this machine but the office license problem is a massive brick wall
[19:29]  * davmor2 pats his 1TB hdd in his work horse laptop and tells it not to listen
[19:29] <daftykins> rise of the big phones at Dell - http://i.dell.com/sites/imagecontent/shared-content/campaigns/en/PublishingImages/outlet-uk-images/547-phone-queue-promo-splitter-925x200-uk.jpg
[19:29]  * zmoylan-pi loves a good spinning hard drive... :-)
[19:30] <daftykins> they're all rubbish!
[19:30] <diddledan> wow that's huge!
[19:30] <diddledan> it's like he's compensating for something.
[19:30] <diddledan> perhaps he has small hands
[19:30] <daftykins> small HDDs
[19:30] <davmor2> no the guys just has a really small head and hands
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> 1tb of cat videos for the zombie apocalypse... he'll be fighting off rampaging gangs of nerds wanting videos and charges for their phones...
[19:34] <diddledan> apparently ginger beards on dark-haired folk isn't a sign of infidelity in the family: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/why-do-so-many-guys-have-ginger-beards/
[20:01] <knightwise> Afternoon folks :)
[20:04] <daftykins> \o
[20:05] <davmor2> diddledan: genetic throw back to the viking invaders
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> ginger feckers...
[21:44] <diddledan> Today I learned: https://twitter.com/diddledan/status/820023617975107585
[21:45]  * daftykins spots the URL
[21:45] <daftykins> that must've been future diddledan if he taught you something!
[21:47] <diddledan> oh God, I've upset an earthling. they're an angryearthling
[21:48] <daftykins> o0
[21:48]  * zmoylan-pi whistles nonchantly and twiddles thumbs...
[21:48] <diddledan> which one of you is it?!
[21:48] <diddledan> hehe
[21:49] <diddledan> alright, so you're nonchalant. quit rubbing our noses in it already!
[21:49] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoiu8_K-eZg
[21:50]  * diddledan spots the earthling has left a map in the form of Latitude and Longitude coordinates.
[21:51] <daftykins> o0
[21:51] <daftykins> you're talking in code, chief
[21:51] <diddledan> blame the angry earthling!
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> beep beep beep boop beep beeply de beep
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> ...or don't you like my tone? :-P
[21:52] <diddledan> a bit flat
[22:32] <Azelphur> So...I'm trying out Ubuntu 16.10 and it's...terrible? I'm trying to install packages from the software center but it requires an account now (wtf?) and it keeps saying incorrect username or password, despite the fact that the credentials are definitely correct, and both me and my girlfriend have reset the credentials to ensure that they are correct.
[22:32] <Azelphur> Any ideas? or is the OS now a beached whale o.O
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, if the software is a snap it wants an account... try apt-get at commandline instead
[22:34] <daftykins> or even apt :D
[22:34] <zmoylan-pi> had that with vlc... i rate problems as the number of new swear words i invent and that was a 2 profanity problem :-)
[22:34] <daftykins> Azelphur: so this was a nasty upgrade? :>
[22:34] <Azelphur> yea, guess I have to
[22:34] <Azelphur> nope, brand new fresh 16.10 install
[22:35] <Azelphur> gf wanted to dual boot so she could have a nice secure OS to do shopping and things on, figured Ubuntu would probably be a better choice than Arch
[22:35] <Azelphur> but dang, requiring login to install packages...things got bad D:
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> i have os/2 on floppy here... if that helps... :-P
[22:35] <daftykins> bit paranoid not to just keep a hygienic system and use private browsing mode
[22:36] <zmoylan-pi> and i believe there was a release of new version for amigas in last few weeks... :-D
[22:37] <Azelphur> daftykins, heh, it was her decision but I do think it's nice and safer to just use Linux for things like that
[22:37] <daftykins> depends on the user
[22:37] <Azelphur> She has windows for her games
[22:37] <Azelphur> suppose, but a little security never hurt anyone
[22:37] <Azelphur> :)
[22:37] <daftykins> dualboot is ridiculous for that, mate
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> evil doers know that attacking a linux user will just make the linux track them down and explain to them in full boring detail why their nefarious plan didn't work :-P
[22:38] <daftykins> two things to keep up to date :>
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> windows vista had uac... that was a little security that annoyed the hell out of everyone...
[22:39] <daftykins> i think it was a good idea, frustrating implementation for those that were used to the old way, sure, but well intentioned :)
[22:40] <Azelphur> lol
[22:40] <Azelphur> I think this bug might be down to the length of her email address, she uses her full name as an email address, and it's long
[22:40] <Azelphur> so I bet the registration form accepted it, while perhaps the API that the software store client uses doesn't
[22:40] <Azelphur> silly bug
[22:41] <daftykins> so the problem came up first, then you made your own account to try and that one couldn't install apps either?
[22:41] <daftykins> s/apps/packages/
[22:41] <zmoylan-pi> i've always resisted using any part of my name in my email addresses as it eliminates a lot of spam effort when they can't get any part of your name into the actual text of the email
[22:41] <daftykins> you mean you're not called Zebede Moylan? D:
[22:41] <Azelphur> daftykins, no, the problem came up and I haven't created another account to test the theory, I'm just betting that's what it is :)
[22:42] <daftykins> Azelphur: ah ok
[22:42] <zmoylan-pi><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:-P
[22:42] <daftykins> would've thought that was port of call #1!
[22:43] <Azelphur> I just mostly was shocked that it requires an account to install things, and that the account system is broke
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> it really irked me too
[22:43] <Azelphur> things, they went downhill :<
[22:49] <daftykins> standard experience to my mind XD
[22:49]  * daftykins sticks to CLI package management
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> ^proper
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> none of this namby pamby wishy washy fluffy hand holding gui silliness..
[22:50] <diddledan> I really hate that every email with a link in it these days has the url of that link hidden and replaced with an obfuscated one in the effort to track the number of clicks
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> seconded
[22:51] <diddledan> I'd be far more likely to click links if I knew where they were gonna take me
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> i open a lot of them in lynx just to annoy their database stats
[22:52] <diddledan> so they've lost my click in the attempt to find out whether I clicked it or not
[22:54] <Azelphur> actually seems like it's just broken
[22:54] <Azelphur> I signed up for a 2nd account and it's still doing it
[22:54] <diddledan> you didn't already have a launchpad account?
[22:55] <Azelphur> I think I do from a while ago, I just created another account with a throwaway email and it still says incorrect user/pass when I try and install a package
[22:56] <daftykins> does it not need confirming or something first?
[22:56] <diddledan> did you verify the email address?
[22:56] <diddledan> what daftykins said ^^
[22:58] <daftykins> meanwhile on a clients' Windows 10 machine i just updated Apple's software updater, so i could update Apple's software updater, so i could update iTunes
[22:58] <daftykins> and yeah, i've told you guys about that glorious one before :D
[22:58] <Azelphur> yea, verified my email address
[22:58] <diddledan> daftykins: ouch
[22:59] <Azelphur> I even copy pasted everything just to be sure, throughout the whole process
[22:59] <Azelphur> so yea, it's broken
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> i think my what the hell are they thinking moment was when i wanted to install a few maps on an old nokia phone.  it wants software downloaded. 50mb. the software wanted dot net. 150mb. they both wanted patches. another 100mb a few reboots and then install <20mb of maps
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> this was pre broadband so the isdn really hummed that day... :-)
[23:00] <diddledan> hehe
[23:02] <Azelphur> aha, it is broke https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1616943 \o/
[23:02] <daftykins> i remember phoning one of the lads that had the dual channel ISDN locally, that sounded all weird
[23:03] <daftykins> i never laughed so hard when i heard they'd have to be converted back to analog lines to get ADSL
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, that was fun explaining to folk who had waited for ages for isdn to be installed to then have to wait for copper to be reconnected...
[23:04] <diddledan> yeah, I was very lucky that I didn't jump on BT "Home Highway" which was ISDN for non-businesses
[23:04] <daftykins> :D
[23:04] <diddledan> I really wanted to do Home Highway, too
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland the major telco simply called isdn broadband and sold it for 1-2 years with a straight face...
[23:05] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: 128Kbps _was_ broadband when you compare it to 33.6Kbps max modem speed (later 56 that never got to 56 in practice)
[23:06] <zmoylan-pi> in it's defence it connected super quick and the transfer speeds were rock solid if slow so no slowing down at 1800 when every analog modem in the country connected to internet
[23:06] <diddledan> I think my 56Kflex modem synced to freeserve at 42Kpbs
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> my brother was in the boonies and he shared 1 copper line with his neighbour on a dax unit so never got above 28000
[23:08] <daftykins> i'm sure i saw north of 46Kbps
[23:08] <diddledan> yeah but you're on a teeny island
[23:08] <daftykins> there was a weird time when i downloaded a DivX of something from someone and no word of a lie, it came over at 7KB/sec for one night only, on good ol' AOL
[23:09] <diddledan> and I only spotted today that DivX still exists as a company
[23:09] <daftykins> ikr! so apt
[23:10] <diddledan> so apt-get
[23:10] <daftykins> you don't need the -get anymore :P
[23:10] <diddledan> or dpkg -i
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> there could be weird moments when the wind was blowing in right direction and under a full moon when both modems were 100% and the data could be compressed in hardware and you saw high speeds for transfers
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> i often had to coax 2 9600 modems to eek the last few bytes of speed to make updates transfer a little faster around ireland on wonky phone lines
[23:12] <daftykins> oh i got an iPod classic to take apart and put a new battery in today btw, that'll be some fun surgery
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> had one of those.  great fun.  kept me sane in hospital when i could have a few seasons of ds9 to keep me amused in hospital
[23:13] <daftykins> :> i see some guy online has modded one with a 1TB SSD
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> if apple sold them now with a 1tb ssd they would sell
[23:15] <daftykins> they're even hiding the iPod section on their site now
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> they'll be hiding their laptop/desktop section next
[23:19] <Azelphur> confirmed, it is a bug, after dropping to the command line, apt upgrading, and rebooting, it now works and allows us to login
[23:19] <daftykins> had a feeling that would be the case, i nearly asked whether ubuntu was installed with updates during install or nay


[01:17] <kees> superm1: in lucid, mk-sbuild changed a lot (default names of schroots always have -$arch appended) but that shouldn't have broken old schroots
[01:17] <kees> superm1: that said, I have been having to tweak my /etc/schroot/schroot.conf with ever new major version of schroot
[01:26] <picard1421> http://pastebin.com/c5Va7nSY why is this not compiling?
[01:40] <YokoZar> slangasek: Do you think we'll be able to start breaking up ia32-libs this release or is that the next phase of multiarch?
[01:41] <ion> I was happy to see there’s some progress with multiarch spec.
[01:49] <picard1421> anyoe?
[01:55] <maxwellian> picard1421: I got here after you asked your question, can you repeat it?  I'm very new, so there's about a one in a million chance that I could help, but we can try. :P
[02:13] <picard1421> http://pastebin.com/c5Va7nSY  why is this not compiling?
[02:13] <sladen> picard1421: first off, it's not a good idea to be running as root!  Please consider working as your own user, in your own home directory
[02:14] <picard1421> i tried that
[02:14] <picard1421> but since i did not extract it on ..
[02:14] <picard1421> my drive i extracted on windows.. permission were messed up
[02:14] <picard1421> i changed everything to 777 just for the pure purpose i want this to run .. i can redo it all later im wiping this install once i figure out how to compile this.. anyway..
[02:14] <picard1421> and redoing it completely
[02:14] <sladen> picard1421: chown -R yourusername.yourusername the-messed-up-directory
[02:15] <sladen> ahhhh.  Are you trying to compile this on a FAT partition?
[02:15] <picard1421> yea
[02:15] <sladen> okay.
[02:16] <sladen> picard1421: 1. logout from root, login as yourself,   2. go to your home directory, make a new directory, cd into that
[02:16] <sladen> picard1421: 3. cp -a ../../somewhere/ ./here
[02:16] <picard1421> k
[02:17] <picard1421> ok?
[02:17] <sladen> picard1421: so we're in your home directory (which is not a FAT partition), the copied tree is owned by *you* (not root) and isn't 777 ?
[02:18] <slangasek> YokoZar: pam and libselinux are at the top of the list of packages to convert, and both of those are in ia32-libs today; so if we succeed in delivering any multiarch support, yes, we can start trimming ia32-libs
[02:18] <picard1421> yes
[02:18] <sladen> picard1421: does  'make all'  work now?
[02:19] <YokoZar> slangasek: I'll note that PAM probably doesn't work properly in ia32-libs as it is now anyway (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/172400)
[02:19] <picard1421> nope
[02:19] <picard1421> still same errors
[02:19] <slangasek> YokoZar: yes, I'm aware
[02:19] <sladen> picard1421: delete  (rm -r that);  tar zxvf it again, fresh, into a directory in your home directory
[02:19] <sladen> picard1421: ah, we're on #ubuntu-devel, lets take this private
[02:21] <YokoZar> slangasek: Anyway, I'll keep an eye out and maybe help migrate some packages to multiarch once it becomes possible :)
[02:21] <slangasek> that would be keen
[05:36] <superm1> kees, okay i'll mess around a little bit with it.  worst comes to worst i'll just nuke em and make new schroot's
[08:03] <mage7> hello....i am still looking for an idea for a college  project for 3 ppl...if any of you have an idea of any module you would like in ubuntu pls suggest
[09:14] <mage8> hello....i am still looking for an idea for a college project for 3 ppl...if any of you have an idea\module you would like in ubuntu please suggest
[09:56] <judgen> mage8, How about a dock that can be used with windowmanagers that enforces borders. This could be achieved with "override_redirect"
[09:57] <judgen> Cairo-dock and awn work very poorly on those ytpe of envoriments.
[10:05] <mage8> judgen...thanks for reply...i dont know whether it is suitable as a project..i have to see how large it is
[10:09] <mage8> would'nt a patch to Cairo-dock or awn be a more appropriate repsonse
[10:11] <judgen> mage8, maybe, i am not sure.
[11:24] <LucidFox> I've been wondering
[11:24] <LucidFox> what prevents GPL-like licenses from being revoked?
[11:28] <judgen> LucidFox, Nothing per se, but the source that is under GPL is still available for usage and forking.
[11:28] <judgen> You can not take back the code that is allready released.
[11:29] <judgen> Compareable to a sales contract
[11:31] <LucidFox> So, what will happen if a copyright holder tries to declare the terms under which they released their works void, and to prohibit existing users from exercising their GPL rights?
[11:31] <LucidFox> they can't do that?
[11:33] <ansgar> LucidFox: They cannot do that for old releases, only for new ones.
[11:34] <ansgar> LucidFox: The GPL even states 'All rights granted [...] are irrevocable provided the stated conditions are met.'
[11:39] <mage8> LucidFox:you cant go back on what you already agreed upon...thats like breaking the terms of the contract you have already signed
[11:40] <mage8> however, if say you 're the sole copyright holder of the program and you release version 1.0 as gpl
[11:41] <mage8> and you make modifications to it and release v2.0 under some other license ...that should be perfectly legal and enforcable iif am not mistaken
[11:42] <mage8> however those got v1.0 under gpl are still under the terms of gpl
[11:44] <mage8> in the case of linux however which has the contributions of thousands of people...there can be no change of license unless each and every contributer agrees to the new license
[14:08] <smmalmansoori> hi
[14:10] <smmalmansoori> i want to program a small feature for ubuntu and submit it
[14:10] <smmalmansoori> can someone answer me a couple of question so I can go about it please?
[15:05] <ronnie> Guys I found a problem in casper
[15:05] <ronnie> on ubuntu 10.04
[15:07] <ronnie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9649581#post9649581
[15:08] <ion> Please use Launchpad for bug reports.
[15:09] <ronnie> I dont know if its a bug yet, or what the bug is about
[15:09] <ronnie> hopeing someone coudl enlighten me
[17:42] <abhijit> hello all
[17:42] <abhijit> :)
[18:06] <njin> hello everybody
[18:06] <ion> good news, everyone
[18:09] <njin> SPArc isn't supported anymore??
[18:10] <geser> for are long time already not anymore
[18:19] <ion> blackz: Wouldn’t it be nicer to put a single copy of ppa-purge to universe instead of having copies of it in a number of PPAs?
[18:20] <BlackZ> ion: it's already in universe
[18:22] <ion> blackz: Ah, a binary package hasn’t just reached my mirror yet. I only looked at “apt-cache policy ppa-purge” and made an invalid assumption. Sorry for the noise. :-)
[18:27] <BlackZ> ion: the binary package needs to be manually approved by an archive admin at this moment (it's in the NEW queue)
[18:29] <BlackZ> s/approved/accepted
[18:40] <ion> Aye
[18:53] <alkisg> Tuxpaint and tuxtype were demoted from main to universe and the translations are missing (stripped), so they *only* need a reuploading. Is that possible, or some other method applies better? Besides reporting the problem (bug #503919), can we do anything to help with its resolution?
[18:53] <Aquina> Isn't there an inofficial SPARC group which partially keeps the things running. I think I heard about that...
[18:56] <jpds> Aquina: Yes, but it's unmaintained.
[19:22] <mage8> looking for college project ideas....if anyone has any thing they would like to see implemented please give suggestions
[19:24] <ion> mage8: Bug 1
[19:25] <mage8> sorry didnt get the joke
[19:26] <ion> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 would be nice to get fixed finally.
[19:28] <mage8> well we've to finish the project in 1 sem....unless we crash bill gates private yacht laden with explosives into redmond i dont think we would be able to finish the project in time
[19:29] <alkisg> You could create a virus that transmutes all windows installations to ubuntu installations :D
[19:29] <alkisg> *transformes
[19:30] <alkisg> mage8: you need to be more specific, but I doubt if that's the correct channel anyway..
[19:31] <alkisg> E.g. a programming project? In which languages, toolkits etc?
[19:32] <mage8> well we're not really specific about topic...1. we're quite noob coders...2. 3 in a team...3. have 1 sem to finish(the next sem) 4. it should qualify as a project(that is it should not be something like bugfix or implement a small feature)
[19:32] <mage8> language toolkits not specific...we look to learn the languages,frameworks in this sem and start coding next sem
[19:33]  * alkisg doesn't know which channel would be appropriate for that question, but maybe someone in #edubuntu has some idea, if you ask at weekdays...
[19:34] <mage8> well we've to submit abstract on monday
[19:34] <mage8> and yeah i know we left it for the last moment
[19:37] <mage8> hmmm...scanning through ubuntu's gsoc page
[19:45] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> hello guys
[19:45] <mage8> going  to bed ...to wake up in 4 hours
[19:47] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> seems some people were wrong here, ubuntu iphone will never be possible, once again people like me and James that has been kicked when asking help talking about the project of porting ubuntu on iphone, were right to only listen to themselves
[19:48] <Aquina> hello, jacquesdptd_iP-1
[19:48] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> Cause, yes iX has done it, and James has completed the project and has or is on the point of releasing the first downloadable image :)
[19:49] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i hope you take it as a good news, cause further help after seeing it is a real thing will be much appreciated
[19:50] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> Hi Aquina
[19:50] <Aquina> iPhone sucks. It's a nightmare to integrate it into an already established IT-landscape. Blackberrys integrate much more seamless. And by the way... Apple is on it's way to close all it's stuff. UI and services was just the beginning...
[19:50] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> that said Aquina, show me 1, only 1 phone that as managed to port any other OS for real and useable
[19:50] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> ?
[19:50] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and dont show me htc hd 2
[19:51] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause the guy is even not capable of clicking on the blind little error window
[19:51] <Aquina> I don't understand the question ("for real and usable")? What do you mean by that?
[19:51] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> ok the interface loads but that's it
[19:51] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i Mean that on my iX image i know browse internet
[19:52] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> now
[19:52]  * jacquesdptd_iP-1 set any settings i want
[19:53] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> for sure many things remain to be made that's why i would like to be able to find cool people giving advice, what should we use to have even ligher image etc... We gonna set either Matchbox or Enlightnement
[19:53] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but the system is really working
[19:53] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> as if it would be working on a computer
[19:54] <Aquina> Sorry I still don't understand. When talking about operating systems I have my preferences. Regarding mobile phines and their special hardware requires different systems. I have no preference here. What I wanted to point out however is that Apple has broken and closed systems and is not better than Microsoft or thelike. I stongly recommend to use technically advanced systems like BSD or GNU/Linux.
[19:54] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and without James that began the project and never lost hope
[19:55] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and i remind myself a day i told him to come here to ask for help it was for touch screen that we were not able to use, he's got kicked, i can assume, myself to be a bit, straight, but he is really cool, the reason he was kicked was because we've told him, we can't install it on iphone
[19:56] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> for sure iphone are some of the hardest phone to be used with third party os's
[19:56] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> that's why idroid and now ix are brilliant things
[19:56] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause planetbeing did an amazing thing reverse enginering every hardware to make unix/linux driver
[19:56] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> s
[19:57] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> he started from nothing and no documentation
[19:58] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i agree with you that some other device are far more open to be rooted and then used with other open sources project
[19:58] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but or now, except the n900 that i like cause of maemo on it and i find it really cool to have a linux distrib on a phone
[19:59] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> Even if think iPhones are great phones to be use with their proper os (iOS) i like what did nokia
[19:59] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and then meego
[20:00] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but i was so much waiting for the first real port of ubuntu on a phone, and i'm really happy that we've made it, on iPhone 3g as i've got an iPhone 4, i'm gonna use it only with third party os's like iX
[20:00] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> well that's it, my question was we've started from an ubuntu-minimal rootfs with armel karmic
[20:00] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> xfce
[20:01] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and what would you advice as window manager ? Matchbox or e17 ?
[20:01] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> even if we gonna try to make both for people to be able to choose then
[20:02] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause of course, at the moment it's not the fastest system i've been running, but it runs and it's responsive, really
[20:02] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but i'm sure it still can be optimised
[20:02] <ion> Does e17 implement something for mobile devices? If not, definitely not e17.
[20:02] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and you are the poeple that are the most qualified for this
[20:02] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i mean, if i have to find help in ubuntu dev, it should be the right place no ? :)
[20:03] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> ion: you mean, no on screen keyboard, no gsm app that's what you mean ?
[20:04] <ion> I mean, like matchbox.
[20:04] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause the goal is also to have a real os running on the phone and to continue to use OS X when using the iPhone as a phone, it's more the fact to have a super little computer
[20:04] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> ok
[20:04] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i've checked a bit, but it seems the project of e17 is not evolving that much
[20:05] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> maybe matchbox is lot more customizable
[20:06] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but we want to use the port as a computer, sure it will be good if it can also be used to make calls, at least sip ones, but the use is really to have your little ubuntu in your pocket, aircrack , maybe flash lite will be able to run i have good hopes from test i've made for now, and some other stuff
[20:06] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> all interesting we can do on a real desktop os that we can't on a mobile one :)
[20:08] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> +things
[20:10] <Aquina> Is this really Ubuntu on a Phone you're talking about?
[20:10] <Aquina> e17 looks nice but is maybe to resouce consumptive.
[20:16] <Aquina> cu
[20:17] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> yes
[20:17] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i don't know for now
[20:17] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> we are using xfce
[20:18] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> sorry i was checking the video
[20:18] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> dunno if ican deliver a video right now
[20:19] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> cause James is the founder, is started the project, and i told him i'll wait till he release the first image, wich he should hve done this afternoon, but i have no news about if it's done or not
[20:20] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i see it normal that first greetingz goes to him cause without him nothing would have been possible, he worked night and days even when people were telling him we couldnt do it
[20:21] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> and he was right to do it cause i think its pretty well done and that only the beginning, ok guys i'm gonna ask you just 1 or 2 question, advices, so i can continue to work tonight
[20:22] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i want it to be the lightest as possible, for now it runs, well, i even managed to remote control it from my iphone 4 and to use iphone 4 as mouse and keyboard with hippo remote
[20:22] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> that was funny, an iphone to control another
[20:22] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> vnc protocol, ssh running perfectly too
[20:24] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but now we gonna have to choose, a good wm, the best interface that would fit to the size, maybe see if we can use evtouch instead of evdev but i didn't manage to make evtouch to work actually, the best internet browser, and check if flash light could run on it, oh also, i'm using onboard for now as on screen keyboard but i'm sure i can find better and i have to find a gesture app in order to have a better experience
[20:25] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> i was thinking about building an interface with maximus so we could have icons only in the top taskbar, and all windows maximised
[20:25] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> like on ubuntu mid
[20:26] <jacquesdptd_iP-1> but i don't know then how to make the keyboard not to be maximised to, and the best would be that the keyboard pops up when touching a form or any text input spot
[23:02] <petergons> ex-chat


[03:09] <khoover> where's genji when you need a coffee?
[10:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:56] <maverickpi> Mornin :)
[19:09] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[21:37] <willwh> hi folks :))
[21:37] <willwh> BluesKaj: you around?
[21:37] <willwh> I have a script at /etc/init.d/irssid
[21:38] <willwh> everything works nicely, if I, sudo /etc/init.d/irssid start
[21:38] <willwh> fires up in a screen session beautifully
[21:38] <willwh> although, if I do, sudo update-rc.d defaults
[21:38] <willwh> looks like everythign created ok - but the daemon does not fire up on boot
[21:38] <willwh> I am not sure a) how to debug why not
[21:40] <willwh> huh - where is genii? :D
[22:01] <khoover> willwh, i'm mildly worried too; he wasn't here last night for coffee.
[22:01] <willwh> :/
[22:02] <willwh> johanbr: ! :)
[22:02] <johanbr> hey there!
[22:02] <khoover> last online was around noon yesterday, if my logs are to be trusted
[22:05] <willwh> ye
[22:05] <willwh> johanbr: I have an odd prob... maybe you can help :)
[22:05] <willwh> http://majic.rs/book/initd-scripts/running-irssi-on-boot <- I set this up on my ubuntu server
[22:05] <johanbr> I'll try... what's the problem?
[22:05] <willwh> ran update-rc.d defaults irssid
[22:06] <willwh> it runs fine if I invoke, /etc/init.d/irssid start
[22:06] <willwh> but, sudo reboot, and there is nothing running when I ssh in to my box
[22:06] <willwh> not sure how I go about debugging it's failing
[22:08] <johanbr> willwh, try editing the kernel options in grub and boot without "splash" and "quiet"... that might tell you something more
[22:12] <willwh> well - this is a remote box
[22:12] <willwh> :)


[07:23] <Unit193> dholbach: Congrats, and howdy.
[07:25] <dholbach> thanks Unit193 - heya, how are you doing?
[07:27] <Unit193> Late night for me, so just doing a couple simple updates.
[07:27] <toddy> dholbach: Congrats. Herzlichen Glückwunsch :)
[07:28] <dholbach> toddy, thanks a bunch :)


[12:01] <dredg> tseng: argh, git. you noticed my promise to perlify your nowplaying script
[12:01] <dredg> now i'll have to do it :-/
[12:01] <ajmitch_> dredg: what's wrong with python?
[12:02] <tseng> dredg: caught you!
[12:02] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:02] <dredg> i prefer perl? i know perl already? i don't want to half learn another language and produce even tattier looking things?
[12:03] <dredg> and most importantly, perl is ideally suited to my brain. python looks far too logical and sane
[12:03] <ajmitch_> yeah, that is true
[12:04] <dredg> tseng: i cry :c
[12:04] <dredg> tseng: nah, only kidding. useful script
[12:04] <tseng> yeah i agree with your summaryh
[12:05] <tseng> echo "
" is the worst
[12:05] <tseng> but i do the same thing in php at times
[12:05] <tseng> when i need to expand a variable in with the html
[12:05] <tseng> echo "$value	"
[12:05] <tseng> just did that today
[12:05] <tseng> 2 dimensional array :(
[12:05] <tseng> of snmpwalk output :(
[12:06] <dredg> ew
[12:08] <dredg> tseng: that said i'm a huge fan of being lazy :)
[12:08] <tseng> yeah dude
[12:09] <tseng> i think i wrote a function to do it
[12:09] <tseng> in bash
[12:09] <tseng> what would it look like in perl
[12:14] <HostingGeek> koke: you poor thing
[12:14] <HostingGeek> koke: you want me to show howto login?
[12:16] <dredg> tseng: i'd also like muine-shell if it gave a decent return value
[12:16] <tseng> dredg: yeah
[12:16] <tseng> see my gross hacks around that
[12:16] <dredg> i saw
[12:16] <dredg> i whimpered
[12:17] <tseng> hahahah
[12:17] <tseng> # wow this is gross. muine-shell doesnt seem to return 1 on failure, however.
[12:17] <tseng> ps aux | grep mono | grep muine > /dev/null
[12:17] <tseng> if [ $?  == "0" ] ; then
[12:17] <tseng>     is_playing
[12:17] <tseng> HostingGeek: could you not come back in here please?
[12:17] <tseng> HostingGeek: as in ever.
[12:19] <HostingGeek> what did i do?
[12:19] <tseng> you were an ass to a top contributor
[12:20] <tseng> beyond that, i could make you a list
[12:20] <HostingGeek> tseng: i was being sicastic over his blog...
[12:20] <tseng> using caps, ignoring repeatedly requests not to use caps, badgering motus, being off topic, claiming other peoples work as your own, and generally being counterproductive
[12:21] <tseng> when most people are poking fun at someone, they are a) friends with them, b) use emoticons to show that they are joking
[12:21] <HostingGeek> tseng: also i don't think he got what i said as he peered out to soon
[12:21] <tseng> get a clue
[12:21] <HostingGeek> when was the last time i used caps?
[12:21] <HostingGeek> besides for a nick?
[12:22] <tseng> ugh stupid thing
[12:22] <tseng> ...
[12:22] <HostingGeek> tseng: any ubuntu conbiruder is my best friend
[12:22] <tseng> my client sucks, freenode doesnt support that
[12:22] <tseng> oh well, play nice
[12:22] <HostingGeek> oh ok
[12:22] <fabbione> tseng: mind does...
[12:23] <tseng> fabbione: for some reason mode +b is ending up +q
[12:23] <HostingGeek> tseng: well as you are going to australia soon i might want to say its au not just a...
[12:23] <tseng> .au
[12:23] <HostingGeek> tseng: because it is +q
[12:37] <\sh> HostingGeek: i'm reading
[12:38] <HostingGeek> \sh: you saw koke comment...
[12:38] <\sh> HostingGeek: posted when?
[12:38] <HostingGeek> \sh: yestersay i think
[12:39] <\sh> http://koke.amedias.org/2005/04/11/ill-be-there-upside-down/ ?
[12:39] <HostingGeek> yes
[12:40] <\sh> yes I read it..nothing new ;)
[01:20] <ajmitch_> ogra: so what's the plan for universe maintenance for breezy? wait until the sync-from-sid deluge?
[01:21] <ogra> ajmitch, i think we'll make plans in UdU, we'll have to cope with the gcc4 transition for a hell of a lot of packages
[01:21] <ajmitch_> yep
[01:22] <ajmitch_> nothing as simple as the python transition, either
[01:22] <ogra> nope
[01:23] <ajmitch_> UdU isn't too far away, thankfully
[01:23] <ogra> yep...thats intentional :)
[01:24] <ajmitch_> yeah, I can't wait to get out of dunedin for a few days :)
[01:24] <ogra> i cant wait to see your side of the world ;)
[01:24] <dredg> will jdub be rigging up udutv! ?
[01:24] <ogra> hopefully
[01:25] <dredg> winner
[01:25] <schweeb> almost definitely
[01:25] <dredg> i predict it will be a ratings smash
[01:25] <schweeb> he brought it to lca
[01:25] <ogra> he did this in mataro too, but we had no access to the router, so there was no outbound connection
[01:25] <thom> hrm, talking to him yesterday it's not likely we'll have the infrastructure for it
[01:25] <thom> we shall see
[01:25] <ogra> thom, thats what i was fearing...
[01:26] <thom> if we can just get it all recorded and push it later that would still rock
[01:26] <ogra> would be nice to have a livestream and irc discussion at the bof :)
[01:26] <dredg> i dunno, that could lead to some editing....
[01:27] <ajmitch_> being .au, it'd probably break the bank for internet traffic
[01:32] <schweeb> oh crap
[01:32] <schweeb> is there a CC meeting tonight?
[01:33] <ajmitch_> apparantly
[01:33] <ajmitch_> 0400 UTC they say
[01:33] <schweeb> so midnight my time
[01:35] <schweeb> good thing I decided not to go to the bar tonight!
[01:35] <schweeb> still have more celebrating left in my system for gettin this new job, hehe
[01:36] <thom> (recorded stream plus annodex would be sweet)
[01:36] <thom> schweeb: congrats, where/what?
[01:37] <schweeb> thom: contracting to DaimlerChrysler doing Solaris Backup Admin
[01:37] <schweeb> so, a lot of perl coding and dealing with SANs and tape backup systems when they fail
[01:38] <schweeb> I'll be making a lot more $$$ than someone my age should be making ;)
[01:39] <thom> schweeb: well, commiserations on the perl thing, but otherwise, nice
[01:39] <thom> ;-)
[01:39] <schweeb> <3 perl
[01:40] <thom> i realised the other day i've entirely forgotten all the perl i used to knpw
[01:40] <schweeb> you a python convert?
[01:40] <thom> yep
[01:41] <schweeb> the python I've seen makes no sense to me, so I haven't even bothered trying to learn it
[01:41] <ajmitch_> schweeb: yeah, probably a lot more than I'm getting doign php coding :)
[01:41] <ogra> schweeb, beware, if you once started you cant stop anymore....
[01:42] <schweeb> heh
[01:42] <schweeb> ajmitch_: undoubtedly
[01:42] <ogra> and eventually python will slowly replace all your perl knowledge
[01:42] <schweeb> I quite enjoy perl
[01:42] <\sh> ogra: quite true
[01:42] <ogra> i did too...
[01:42] <schweeb> it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy
[01:43] <ajmitch_> we all know that python is the one true way, there is no other
[01:43] <ogra> yeah
[01:43] <ajmitch_> (cue other fanboy reponses) ;)
[01:43] <schweeb> ajmitch_: luckily I never got roped into PHP at my existing job... I did all the admin type stuff
[01:43] <schweeb> which worked out great, cause my resume is uber padded
[01:43] <ajmitch_> I'm doing mainly php, only a little bit of admin
[01:44] <schweeb> I like a good mix of coding and admin
[01:44] <schweeb> the one part of my current job I despise is helpdesk
[01:44] <ajmitch_> ah
[01:45] <zorglub> hello,
[01:45] <ajmitch_> for good reasons
[01:45] <schweeb> hi, zorglub
[01:45] <zorglub> the UniverseCandidates wikipage says that the package must build on warty main.
[01:45] <zorglub> Is it that it hasn't been updated ?
[01:45] <ogra> heh
[01:45] <ogra> seems like
[01:45] <schweeb> I would imagine so.
[01:46] <zorglub> but I guess it's for the currently unstable distrib, right ?
[01:46] <ajmitch_> one would assume so
[01:46] <zorglub> so not hoary anymore
[01:46] <zorglub> ok, just wanted to be sure :)
[01:46] <tseng> we dont really use the candidates page
[01:46] <tseng> now that we have motutodo
[01:46] <ajmitch_> build without relying on other crack that is dragged in from elsewhere :)
[01:46] <tseng> candidates was for stuff we wanted the canonical guys to do
[01:46] <tseng> pre-motu
[01:46] <ajmitch_> schweeb: lots would fail
[01:46] <ogra> tseng, nope
[01:46] <tseng> ogra, nope
[01:47] <schweeb> ajmitch_: I'd guess like 70% or higher would fail
[01:47] <ogra> tseng, it was also propagated to the ML for a long time during MOTU
[01:47] <ajmitch_> I thought the candidates page was originally intended for users to submit packages themselves?
[01:47] <tseng> dholbach and i direct everyone to MOTUTodo
[01:48] <ajmitch_> that is where those packages are put now
[01:48] <ogra> tseng, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTURecruitment
[01:48] <\sh> grmpf
[01:48] <ajmitch_> and now UniverseCandidates is used for package suggestions
[01:48] <\sh> 14 hours of ming compile only because of lintian
[01:48] <ogra> its a popular page we shouldnt loose
[01:48] <zorglub> ok, I guess the MOTUNewPackages is for when you have packages you think are ready, then
[01:48] <schweeb> any of you guys gonna be around for the CC meeting?  feel like saying "schweeb rocks" :)
[01:48] <ogra> (last edited 22 hours ago )
[01:49] <\sh> ogra: i think my laptop is melting
[01:49] <\sh> can call the hp service again ;)
[01:49] <ajmitch_> schweeb: I may be around - I'll be working in the lab @ uni when the meeting starts
[01:50] <ogra> tseng, its been propagated for a long time now, if you guys want to redirect to MOTUTodo, please do it there too
[01:50] <schweeb> ajmitch_: you a member (I can never keep track of all of them)
[01:50] <tseng> of course he is
[01:51] <schweeb> I assumed so :)
[01:51] <schweeb> I know he's DD
[01:52] <ajmitch_> schweeb: I'm a MOTU
[01:52] <ajmitch_> (and DD, but that doesn't matter much here)
[01:52] <zorglub> hum, another question. Which page is the proper one to ask for an update of a package (resynch on sid, in my case)
[01:53] <zorglub> (well, for when breezy is open)
[01:53] <schweeb> considering the DD process is more stringent than MOTU, it's not exactly a bad thing to have if you wanna be MOTU :)
[01:53] <ajmitch_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToSync
[01:53] <ogra> zorglub, universe will get synced completely once....
[01:54] <ajmitch_> zorglub: when breezy opens, it'll sync again
[01:54] <zorglub> oh ok
[01:54] <thom> breezy is teh open
[01:54] <ajmitch_> and we'll have a mad job of merging patches, etc of things we've changed
[01:54] <ogra> zorglub, so MOTUToSync isnt really interesting at this stage
[01:54] <ajmitch_> 'open', but not syncing yet :)
[01:55] <zorglub> I couldn't find much doc on the universe processes
[01:55] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[01:55] <ogra> everything below this page....
[01:56] <ajmitch_> you'll see a lot of links from there
[01:56] <zorglub> yes, but it's mainly coordination stuff
[01:56] <ajmitch_> most from our resident WikiMaster
[01:57] <ogra> zorglub, there is the MOTUNewPackagesPolicy describiung the process for all NEW packages we include for example....
[01:58] <ogra> or MOTUPackages for packages that loosly have a own maintainer
[01:58] <zorglub> ok
[02:01] <ajmitch_> bbl
[02:07] <zorglub> ok, thanks for the pointers
[02:07] <zorglub> 'night
[02:34] <tseng> did i miss the meeting?
[02:34] <tseng> or some such
[02:35] <schweeb> tseng: midnight
[02:35] <tseng> uh
[02:35] <tseng> forget that, dude.
[02:35] <tseng> i need to go to philly tommorow
[03:04] <schweeb> tseng: what for?
[03:05] <tseng> to get a passport
[03:07] <ajmitch> ouch, that'll be expensive to get one so soon
[03:08] <schweeb> are you going to UdU or something, tseng?
[03:10] <ajmitch> yep :)
[03:12] <\sh> hmm
[03:12] <\sh> i'm getting crazy
[03:14] <\sh> shared lib package: libfoo_major.minor & libfoo-dev_major.minor ... lintian is bugging me: no shlibs control file usr/lib/libfoo.so.major.minor but i have a shlibs.local file
[03:21] <\sh> finally i have it
[03:30] <thom> *cough* first breezy universe upload to me! ;-) (it'll move to main soon)
[03:31] <schweeb> breezy's open
[03:31] <schweeb> ?
[03:31] <schweeb> what'd you upload?
[03:31] <thom> schweeb: yes
[03:31] <thom> readahead-list
[03:31] <ajmitch> great
[03:31] <thom> it's the new readahead package, just needs to be seeded into main
[03:32] <schweeb> ugh
[03:32] <schweeb> it's not in gmane yet
[03:32] <schweeb> :-/
[03:32] <ajmitch> it's a good excuse for me to use my gmail account
[03:35] <schweeb> I have a gmail account I've used only like 3 times, heh
[03:36] <desrt> yes!
[03:36] <desrt> breezy power!
[03:36] <schweeb> is that like desert power in dune? :p
[03:36] <ajmitch> schweeb: I hadn't used mine until I signed up to track the users & changes lists
[03:37] <desrt> i have a friend who named his livejournal "desrtpower" after me :)
[03:37] <schweeb> ajmitch: I <3 gmane
[03:37] <ajmitch> schweeb: yeah, it is great
[03:38] <schweeb> I used to subscribe to LKML
[03:38] <schweeb> *shudder*
[03:38] <ajmitch> ouch
[03:38] <schweeb> I neglected to check that folder for 3 months...
[03:38] <schweeb> big mistake.
[03:39] <desrt> ow.
[03:39] <desrt> run out of disk space?
[03:39] <schweeb> nah
[03:39] <schweeb> I got a decent bit of space on my colo
[03:39] <desrt> so uh
[03:39] <desrt> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:39] <desrt> :%s/hoary/breezy/
[03:39] <desrt> sudo apt-get update
[03:39] <desrt> this isn't sufficient :)
[03:40] <desrt> although, i do have a spiffy new version if lame
[04:06] <crimsun> oh jeez.
[04:06] <crimsun> breezy's open?
[04:06] <crimsun> better get my "oh sh*t" handle ready
[04:06] <thom> yup, game on
[04:07] <thom> mdz' announcing to -devel shortly
[04:07] <crimsun> (it's already announced)
[04:07] <thom> ah, just got here
[04:19] <ogra> hi sz_ :)
[04:19] <sz_> ;o))
[04:19] <dredg> ogra: pulling an allnighter?
[04:19] <ogra> dredg, she sits aside ;)
[04:20] <dredg> i see :)
[04:20] <crimsun> ok, pbuilder updated, time to start the updates!
[04:21] <ajmitch_> great :)
[04:22] <ajmitch_> reminds me to update my pbuilder..
[04:22] <Amaranth> breezy's open?!?
[04:22] <crimsun> yes.
[04:23] <Amaranth> yay
[04:23] <crimsun> better prep my script to autoload $package's Debian BTS page
[04:24] <bddebian> ajmitch_!!
[04:24] <crimsun> I have a feeling I'm going to be applying a lot of patches to make things compile with gcc-4.0
[04:24] <ajmitch_> hi bddebian
[04:24] <thom> crimsun: friad so
[04:25] <dredg> mmm sushi
[04:25] <bddebian> blech
[04:25] <ajmitch_> bddebian: what's up?
[04:26] <bddebian> Nada.  You?
[04:26] <Amaranth> do i dare say something about breezy on #ubuntu?
[04:26] <schweeb> no
[04:26] <Amaranth> just to tease people of course, since there is nothing new in it :)
[04:27] <dredg> teasing fanboys is a dangerous practise
[04:27] <schweeb> don't say breezy, or you'll get the ricers all asking questions about it :p
[04:27] <Amaranth> HostingGeek might attack me :/
[04:27] <crimsun> let the official announcement reach them first.
[04:27] <Amaranth> I told him I wasn't working on my menu editor anymore and he filled my scrollback with "NOOOO..."  I just want the damn CC meeting to start :p
[04:48] <ajmitch_> :)
[04:48] <ajmitch_> staying up late?
[04:49] <dredg> ajmitch: sorry, it's 4am, i'm tired, cranky and currently having a minor crisis in my head :)
[04:51] <schweeb> ajmitch_: it'll be midnight here
[04:51] <schweeb> but, I was a bit hung over all day today
[04:55] <ajmitch_> aha :)
[05:01] <bddebian> DIE SITH SCUM!
[05:03] <schweeb> someone watchin some star wars?
[05:05] <crimsun> heh, I just edited MOTU to add tritium's nick, too
[05:05] <crimsun> what a wacky sense of timing
[05:06] <tritium> Hey crimsun :)  I just got the email about the change.  Thanks!
[05:08] <crimsun> any NEW packages we agreed could be uploaded that haven't been (and didn't make it into Hoary due to time)?
[05:09] <tritium> crimsun, asking me?
[05:09] <crimsun> well, everyone, really.
[05:09] <crimsun> going to look at the relevant wiki pages, need to update MOTUXfce first
[05:09] <bddebian> schweeb: Actually playing KotOR II :-)
[05:10] <tritium> I didn't think we could add new packages at this point.  If that's the case, I can try to fix up the problems with my packages.
[05:10] <tritium> I figured I'd plan on getting them into Breezy
[05:11] <crimsun> tritium: can't blame you since you just joined. Breezy's now open.
[05:11] <tritium> oh, okay.  So that would be the plan then...
[05:12] <tritium> crimsun, thanks for the info ;)
[05:12] <ogra> crimsun, no rush, we'll see a big automated sync that might change all dependencys....
[05:12] <crimsun> np, though the honours aren't mine :)
[05:12] <crimsun> ogra: yep, I'm holding off touching packages that will be hit by the sync
[05:13] <tritium> ogra, that sure was a nice surprise for me this afternoon
[05:14] <ogra> :)
[05:14] <tritium> :-)
[05:40] <siretart> morning
[05:41] <crimsun> moin
[05:42] <tritium> morning
[05:43] <bddebian> moin moin
[05:47] <dredg> and to make sure i wake up at 9: at> muine-shell -l /home/niall/loud.m3u
[05:48] <crimsun> 12 mins to CC
[05:48] <schweeb> yay
[05:50] <schweeb> dholbach!!!!
[05:50] <dholbach> morning
[05:50] <dholbach> hey schweeb :-)
[05:50] <tritium> Hello dholbach :)
[05:50] <ajmitch_> hey dholbach!
[05:50] <siretart> moin dholbach
[05:51] <schweeb> dholbach: I got that job
[05:51] <dholbach> woohoo! PARTY!
[05:51] <dholbach> schweeb: ROCKING!
[05:51] <ajmitch_> you'll be glad to see you can upload again :)
[05:51] <tritium> Congrats schweeb :)
[05:51] <schweeb> :D
[05:51] <dredg> so.. will diamond arrive of his own accord or will i have to phone him? :)
[05:51] <siretart> schweeb: congratulations! :)
[05:51] <ogra> schweeb, nice :)
[05:52] <schweeb> makin enough money that I'll be puttin school on pause for a while ;)
[05:52] <ajmitch_> alright, time for me to go off & do some paid work
[05:52] <ajmitch_> might reconnect from the lab :)
[05:52] <dholbach> did my eyes deceive me or did breezy open?
[05:53] <schweeb> your eyes are fine
[05:53] <dredg> yes.
[05:53] <crimsun> it's open.
[05:53] <dholbach> ROCK
[05:53] <dholbach> hey diamond_
[05:53] <diamond_> dholbach: hey. what a horrible time of the morning -)
[05:53] <dredg> diamond_: and with 1.5mins before i started plaguing your phone
[05:53] <dredg> close
[05:53] <diamond_> dredg: i so win
[05:53] <dholbach> diamond_: did dredg call you?
[05:54] <diamond_> dholbach: nah, i managed to drag myself here just in time to avoid that
[05:54] <dholbach> even better :-)
[05:54] <diamond_> dredg: did you sleep?
[05:54] <dredg> nope
[05:54] <dholbach> argl
[05:55] <diamond_> dredg: aieee
[05:55] <dredg> diamond_: what are those sleeping tablets you mentioned before?
[05:55] <dholbach> so you guys are all set on CommunityCouncilAgenda?
[05:55] <diamond_> dredg: noctura
[05:56] <tritium> dholbach, I added myself
[05:56] <dredg> diamond_: must get some tomorrow
[05:56] <schweeb> I'm on
[05:56] <tritium> say, where do you see that breezy repos opened?
[05:56] <dredg> diamond_: and `/nickserv ghost' is probably what you want
[05:56] <schweeb> tritium: u-d mail list
[05:56] <tritium> ah, of course...
[05:56] <dholbach> what about AdamIsrael? StoneTable, you're here?
[05:56] <diamond_> dredg: 'set kill' is actually more use. don't want to have to do this manually everytime
[05:56] <dredg> diamond_: and you should probably set nick enforcement if the nickserv allows it
[05:57] <diamond_> dholbach: yup
[05:57] <diamond_> dredg: *nod*
[05:57] <schweeb> dholbach: he went ot bed actually
[05:57] <schweeb> lemme see if I can wake him up
[05:57] <dholbach> tritium: mail on ubuntu-devel
[05:57] <tritium> dholbach, si, gracias :)
[05:58] <dredg> diamond_: actually, i've been compiling sunbird and reading 'the confusion'
[05:58] <schweeb> dholbach: yea, think he's definitely in bed :-
[05:58] <schweeb> er :-/
[05:58] <dredg> mostly the latter, though the former is a highly involved process that i couldn't bring myself to watch
[05:58] <dredg> ors :)
[05:59] <diamond> dredg: did you read those 2 files i gave you? "i'll probably cringe when i read this later" and "i am legend"?
[05:59] <dredg> diamond: nope. i am lazy. plus i forgot
[05:59] <diamond> dredg: hah. you suck -)
[05:59] <dredg> i'm tending to forget a lot lately
[06:00] <dredg> i blame lack of sleep
[06:00] <diamond> right. i should join ubuntu-meeting, right?
[06:00] <dredg> yer
[06:00] <schweeb> my clock says midnight!
[06:01] <dredg> my clock says 0500. i cry :(
[06:01] <diamond> schweeb: my body says die -)
[06:01] <dholbach>  and you all have good wiki pages, rock
[06:01] <schweeb> diamond: hehe
[06:02] <diamond> hmm. i wonder if i die from tiredness could i get membership post-humously -)
[06:03] <dredg> diamond: no, but your corpse might.
[06:03] <diamond> dredg: that'd do just fine
[06:03] <dredg> diamond: the worms might disagree
[06:04] <diamond> dredg: i might disagree with them too ,-)
[06:04] <dredg> diamond: you'd be dead though, so you most likely wouldn't
[06:04] <diamond> dredg: i mean digestively
[06:05] <dredg> diamond: quite true
[06:06] <dredg> diamond: you see mail no.2 i sent to meteor?
[06:06] <diamond> dredg: no
[06:07] <dredg> diamond: http://niall.evil.ie/random/meteor2.txt
[06:07] <diamond> dredg: hah. nice
[08:26] <crimsun> night all
[08:26] <tritium> Good night crimsun :)
[08:26] <dholbach> bye crimsun
[08:27] <schweeb> night fellas
[08:27] <tritium> good night schweeb
[08:27] <diamond> nite all
[08:27] <tritium> night diamond
[08:28] <siretart> woah, I was delivered about 40 mails of ubuntu-devel mails
[08:28] <dholbach> bye schweeb, diamon :-)
[08:28] <thom> yeah, jdub just moderated a bunch of mail
[08:29] <siretart> ah, ubuntu-devel is moderated? this explains the good signal/noise ratio :)
[08:34] <tritium> I'm exhausted...
[08:34] <dholbach> bye tritium :-)
[08:35] <tritium> Good night, dholbach, and everyone else.
[08:35] <dholbach> i'm having breakfast now
[08:35] <tritium> yum...I can't wait for morning.  I'm hungry already.
[08:35] <tritium> I'll be traveling, but I'll be in touch.
[08:35] <siretart> excellent idea, breakfast..
[08:35] <tritium> night
[08:44] <fabbione> yo
[08:47] <fabbione> dredg: you around?
[08:49] <dholbach> fabbione: after 426246h without sleep, i think he wanted to read for another hour and drop into bed
[08:49] <fabbione> yeah well it's not like i am really fresh
[08:49] <fabbione> i slept barely 4 hours this night :)
[08:50] <dholbach> i slept 5... got up for CC meeting
[08:50] <fabbione> yeah
[09:21] <hsprang> good morning!
[09:23] <dholbach> hey hsprang
[09:42] <dholbach> bbl
[09:44] <GheRivero> res
[11:06] <\sh> morning
[11:07] <ajmitch> hi
[11:18] <\sh> guys...i slept only 3 hours :) and after yesterdays session I'm not a beginner to debian stuff anymore...now I'm a semi-pro ;)
[11:18] <d3vic3> already? O_o
[11:20] <\sh> d3vic3: i don't really know...I sat 14 hours on my laptop to get rid of one lintian message...read many documentations, set up apt repositories and stuff, read more documentation and more only to figure out that "dh_makeshlibs" is the solution...;)
[11:20] <\sh> well, ebuilds are much easier, even rpms ;)
[11:20] <\sh> the lintian checks are quite hard ;)
[11:22] <\sh>  and I see that breezy is open
[11:25] <Mithrandir> \sh: I don't know about how ebuilds work, but http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/03/31/packaging.html is fairly interesting in the context of dh_makeshlibs and debian packages.  Some of the problems he's describing there (hidden dependencies) can't show up in a Debian system.
[11:27] <\sh> Mithrandir: well..my problem was, packaging a sharedlib. everything was allright, but lintian bugged me about "there is no shlibs control file" and I tried to figure out, why
[11:27] <Mithrandir> ah
[11:27] <Mithrandir> shared libraries are hard.
[11:27] <Mithrandir> but then shared libraries are always hard.
[11:28] <Mithrandir> I've seen fairly core packages in gentoo get it wrong too (convert broken cause libjpeg or something bumped it soversion)
[11:29] <\sh> Mithrandir: yeah..but most of the time in gentoo the upstream is mistaken and the ebuild author has to create patched
[11:29] <\sh> -d+s
[11:30] <\sh> Mithrandir: but here was everything ok...only this bl
[11:30] <\sh> bl**dy shlibs.local was wrong..
[11:30] <Mithrandir> \sh: it's more a result of a broken dependency and the packaging system's inability to spot and track that.
[11:31] <\sh> other way: if i have a shared lib lets say libfoo.so.major.minor, it depends in libc.so.6 and ld-linux.so.2
[11:31] <\sh> what is the correct shlibs.local?
[11:34] <\sh> funny thing is, i checked some sample sources out of the ubuntu repos, but wherever i checked, i didn't found a shlibs.local file...libao2, xine-lib nowhere
[01:13] <Mithrandir> tseng: rock!
[01:17] <Treenaks> \sh: dh_makeshlibs
[01:18] <\sh> Treenaks: yeah ;)
[01:19] <\sh> Treenaks: after 14 hours I found it ;)
[01:20] <Shufla> hello
[01:20] <Treenaks> hu Shufla
[01:20] <Treenaks> hi, too
[02:00] <koke> hey, could someone help me with english jargon
[02:00] <koke> I don't understand the jcarnie's comment at http://koke.amedias.org/2005/04/11/ill-be-there-upside-down/#comments
[02:03] <ajmitch> haha
[02:03] <dredg> koke: that's not english. that's something else entirely
[02:03] <ajmitch> it's a joke..
[02:03] <koke> :D
[02:04] <ajmitch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_Bear
[02:04] <\sh> hehe
[02:31] <\sh> :)
[03:59] <bddebian> Good morning
[05:25] <dholbach> hi
[05:27] <StoneTable> hey dholbach
[05:27] <dholbach> hey StoneTable
[06:17] <dholbach> bbl
[06:33] <tritium> Hello.
[06:35] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[06:36] <tritium> What's up, bddebian ?
[06:36] <bddebian> "work"  :'-(
[06:36] <tritium> Ah, at least you're 1/2-way done with the day now...
[06:37] <bddebian> One would think :-)
[06:38] <tritium> working late?
[06:38] <bddebian> Usually these days.. :-)
[06:38] <tritium> ah...
[06:54] <tritium> Any news on the CC meeting time?
[07:35] <herve> hi!
[07:35] <herve> I see breezy is open
[07:35] <bddebian> Heya herve
[07:35] <Mithrandir> indeed it is
[07:36] <herve> but the changes are posted in changes.hoary... oO
[07:48] <Treenaks> does anyone have a clue on how I could get a dump of the 8k of memory one of my PCI devices has?
[07:48] <Treenaks> (        Memory at d0206000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K] )
[07:50] <herve> write a C program to access that mem area?
[07:50] <herve> but would the kernel allow it?
[07:50] <herve> being root, surely
[07:50] <Treenaks> herve: I'd probably have to use some weird /dev stuff
[07:50] <Treenaks> or /proc
[07:51] <herve> I don't think /proc allow that sort of introspection
[07:51] <herve> but some char device probably
[07:52] <Treenaks> I'm trying to figure out how to get my PCI7x21 to work
[07:52] <Treenaks> (flash card reader in my laptop)
[07:52] <Treenaks> (104c:8033, the datasheet claims it's "a Flash Media controller in ATA mode")
[07:53] <Treenaks> (but it's an "unknown mass-storage device")
[07:53] <herve> that makes me think I have a sd card reader not detected
[07:54] <herve> or the cards inserted are not detected
[07:54] <Treenaks> well, it's in my PCI list.. but no driver gets loaded to claim/use i t
[07:54] <Treenaks> so I'm actually thinking of creating a driver.. but for that I need specs
[07:54] <Treenaks> and time
[07:55] <herve> time...
[07:55] <Treenaks> time I can get
[07:55] <Treenaks> but the specs..
[07:56] <Treenaks> ti.com doesn't have them
[07:56] <Treenaks> and I don't really know how to contact companies like that
[07:56] <herve> "give me your specs or be doomed!"
[07:56] <herve> sure it doesn't help :-)
[07:57] <Treenaks> herve: I don't even know how to contact them.. calling seems like it'll be pointless
[07:57] <herve> ha! the sd card *is* detected but "cardmgr[8651] : unsupported card in socket 0"
[07:57] <Treenaks> I don't know enough about electronics to complete their "Mail customer support" form
[07:58] <Treenaks> so all I need is someone who's good at extracting info from TI persons
[07:58] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: /proc/kmem?
[07:58] <herve> Treenaks, contact a salesman and say you bring a partnership for linux support ;-)
[07:59] <bddebian> heh
[07:59] <Mithrandir> dd if=/dev/kmem skip=3491782656 count=8192 | od
[07:59] <Mithrandir> might work
[08:00] <Treenaks> dd: reading `/dev/kmem': Bad address
[08:00] <Treenaks> maybe /dev/mem
[08:00] <herve> Treenaks, isn't adding this device to some list of known mass-storage device enough?
[08:00] <Treenaks> same error :(
[08:00] <Treenaks> herve: some ATA driver probably..
[08:01] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: should be easy enough to write a kernel module to dump it, though
[08:03] <Treenaks> http://www-s.ti.com/sc/ds/pci6421.pdf -- page 19 for the definition of "ATA driver" and "Flash Media", and page 145 for all I've been able to find
[08:03] <Treenaks> (wow, evince is FAST)
[08:05] <Treenaks> anyway, this is just a description of the PCI config area.. which is very similar to most stuff I've seen
[08:08] <ogra> Treenaks, hal device manager should have more infor in the BIOS device
[08:08] <ogra> (its ripped off kmem)
[08:08] <Treenaks> ogra: I have the address.. just not the contents
[08:10] <Treenaks> I don't believe dmidecode:
[08:10] <Treenaks>         Portable Battery
[08:10] <Treenaks>                 SBDS Manufacture Date: 1985-08-25
[08:11] <ogra> hmm, i guess your bios chip reports only a 5 there....
[08:11] <Treenaks> probably :)
[08:11] <Treenaks> ogra: no. it puts a 4 there :)
[08:11] <ogra> heh
[08:11] <Treenaks> ogra: 2005-08-25 is in the future
[08:11] <ogra> true
[08:18] <Treenaks> anyway..
[08:18] <Treenaks> I think I need to poke TI.. but where
[08:19] <ogra> Treenaks, i guess you should wait and try 2.6.12 if it hits breezy....
[08:20] <Treenaks> ogra: there's no reference of the PCI id in google.. except for lspci -n listings
[08:20] <Treenaks> so I think there's no driver
[08:20] <ogra> on my machine even 2.6.11 recognizes 50% more of the devices
[08:21] <ogra> i think the driver will be quite generic, its just not known by the kernels pcimap yet
[08:21] <ogra> since you said its a pcmcia device....
[08:21] <herve> that's my guess too
[08:21] <Treenaks> ogra: it's not a pcicia device
[08:21] <Treenaks> pcmcia
[08:22] <ogra> didnt you talk about cardmgr above ?
[08:22] <Treenaks> no
[08:22] <Treenaks> that was herve
[08:22] <herve> that was me
[08:22] <herve> :-)
[08:22] <ogra> ah, yup, just scrolled up...
[08:22] <ogra> sorry ...
[08:23] <Treenaks> it's on the same PCI bus as the cardbus controller...
[08:23] <Treenaks> but that's a different bus than the card in the slot
[08:23] <herve> but I'm interested by how adding support for my card reader too ;-)
[08:25] <Treenaks> herve: is it visible using lspci?
[08:25] <herve> my pcmcia port yes
[08:25] <ogra> or in lshal/hal device manager
[08:25] <herve> but my guess about this laptod is that all the media base is a (collection of) usb device(s)
[08:26] <herve> (laptop...)
[08:26] <herve> er, wrong gues
[08:26] <herve> s
[08:26] <Treenaks> herve: does the card reader show up? :)
[08:26] <herve> the card reader is not on the media base
[08:26] <herve> Treenaks, yes
[08:26] <Treenaks> herve: could you paste?
[08:26] <herve> and inserting a card is detected
[08:26] <Treenaks> hm.. here I have this:
[08:26] <Treenaks> 0000:02:06.3 Unknown mass storage controller: Texas Instruments: Unknown device 8033
[08:26] <Treenaks> 0000:02:06.3 0180: 104c:8033
[08:27] <herve> Apr 13 19:56:59 localhost kernel: cs: memory probe 0xa0000000-0xa0ffffff: clean.Apr 13 19:56:59 localhost cardmgr[8651] : unsupported card in socket 0
[08:27] <herve> Apr 13 19:56:59 localhost cardmgr[8651] :   product info: "RICOH", "Bay1Controlle
[08:27] <herve> hmm
[08:27] <herve> there are two pcmcia ports declared...
[08:28] <herve> I bet the second one is a builtin card reader...
[08:28] <herve> because I only have a single external port
[08:28] <Treenaks> I've done my research.. my reader is weird :)
[08:39] <herve> by the way
[08:40] <herve> isn't kernel 2.6.11 slowly entering breezy?
[08:40] <ogra> 2.5.12
[08:40] <ogra> s/5/6
[08:40] <crimsun> and oh boy does it have crack
[08:40] <crimsun> lots of it.
[08:40] <herve> I saw 2.6.11 header upload
[08:40] <ogra> yup
[08:40] <herve> and since it was in universe previously...
[08:40] <ogra> only the headers....
[08:41] <herve> as a start?
[08:41] <ogra> i know fabio just prepared a highly experimental 2.6.12 image for upload...
[08:41] <herve> I wonder about the point of this otherwise
[08:41] <herve> higly? *g*
[08:41] <ogra> he said so in -devel
[08:42] <ogra> but currently we'll have to wait until all the toolchains are in place
[08:45] <herve> hmm... saw mdz's post... I quite less tempted to update breezy now ;-)
[08:45] <ogra> i'm pretty sure it wont be very usable the first days.....
[08:46] <ogra> but at least you can update your hoary a bit :)
[08:46] <herve> I'll upgrade after UDU now
[08:46] <ogra> (with broken stuff indeed)
[08:46] <herve> yes, I'll selectively upgrade, thanks synaptic!
[08:46] <ogra> heh
[08:47] <crimsun> heh, I'm running off a livecd anyhow, so it really doesn't matter ;)
[08:47] <ogra> heh
[08:47] <herve> nice idea!
[08:59] <\sh> ok..guys of motu...if you don't review, i will spam your motunewpackages ;)
[08:59] <bddebian> heh
[09:01] <\sh> ok...i will perform now a (K)ubuntu session and put it as flash file on my blog
[09:22] <herve> someone knows about some certutil command shipped with mozilla?
[09:53] <\sh> I'm awake ;)
[09:53] <ajmitch> great :)
[09:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: you up & about? ;)
[09:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: Of course!
[09:54] <ajmitch> hehe
[09:54] <ajmitch> so what's new?
[09:54] <bddebian> I want to kill myself.  You?
[09:54] <ajmitch> btw, you haven't happened to send any hardware yet, right?
[09:54] <ajmitch> ah, crawled out of bed
[09:54] <ajmitch> regretting getting up
[09:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, sorry.  When are you "leaving" again?
[09:55] <ajmitch> end of next week
[09:55] <bddebian> Doh
[09:55] <ajmitch> :)
[09:58] <bddebian> I guess I'm overnighting it then eh? :-)
[09:58] <ajmitch> for that cost, I shoul get a new laptop ;)
[09:58] <ajmitch> it's certainly not urgent
[10:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: so have you installed fresh ubuntu goodness yet?
[10:05] <dholbach> hey
[10:05] <ajmitch> dholbach!! :)
[10:05] <dholbach> :-))
[10:05] <dholbach> MOTU love: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCxxTransition
[10:06] <ajmitch> so what shall we work on today? ;0
[10:06] <ajmitch> wee!
[10:06] <dholbach> doko 's been DAMN busy
[10:06] <ogra> hey, we dnt transition c++ .... do we ?
[10:06] <ogra> +o
[10:06] <dholbach> ogra: you have a problem with c++?
[10:06] <ajmitch> ogra: breezy will have fresh gcc-4.0 crack
[10:07] <ogra> afaik g++ will stay 3.3
[10:07] <ajmitch> plenty of packages that'll need fixed in universe
[10:07] <ajmitch> are you sure?
[10:07] <ogra> pretty much
[10:07] <ajmitch> from what i heard it'll be a c++ transition as well
[10:07] <dholbach> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[10:07] <ogra> only gcc4.0
[10:07] <ajmitch> ABI goes 102->1002
[10:08] <ogra> at least thats what they were talkinmg about the last hrs
[10:08] <tseng|work> isnt gcc 4.0 supposed to have some hardcore code path optimizers
[10:08] <tseng|work> predictive stuff
[10:09] <doko> ogra: yes, but only for two or three weeks
[10:09] <dholbach> doko: i'm absolutely amazed... you're an absolute workhorse
[10:09] <tseng|work> i wonder if i should upload mono now
[10:09] <ogra> doko, oh, i thought for the whole breezy time... thanks for clearifying
[10:09] <ajmitch> tseng|work: it doesn't look like binaries are being built yet for breezy
[10:10] <ogra> tseng|work, there are no working buildds yet :) but you could queue it
[10:10] <ajmitch> ogra: so we were both right, in a way :)
[10:10] <tseng|work> yeah
[10:10] <ogra> heh
[10:11] <crimsun> hey, when you squash the table spacing on UniverseCxxTransition, it doesn't seem that bad!
[10:12] <ajmitch> heh
[10:12] <ajmitch> I'm glad none of my packages are on there
[10:12] <dholbach> some of mine are
[10:12] <ajmitch> like gtkmm
[10:12] <dholbach> :-)
[10:12] <ajmitch> you've got about 20x more packages that you've touched than anyone else ;)
[10:13] <dholbach> on that list?
[10:13] <ajmitch> no, in general
[10:13] <ajmitch> I can't tell from that list
[10:13] <dholbach> wow
[10:13] <ajmitch> 20x is a rough guess :)
[10:13] <dholbach> you must have misread something :-)
[10:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: Sorry.  Yes, it has a nice shiny new ubuntu install :-)
[10:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: I mean on your systems, that you use :)
[10:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, since there isn't an Ubuntu GNU/Hurd yet.. ;-)
[10:18] <ajmitch> well, get to work ;)
[10:19] <bddebian> Give me a build system :-)
[10:19] <ajmitch> don't you have spare hardware?
[10:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: Spare hardware?
[10:29] <crimsun> mm, excellent. monotone just hit sid today. :)
[10:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: a build system..
[10:30] <ajmitch> crimsun: excellent.. I might check that out one day
[10:34] <JanC> hm, a new educational project that has debian packages: http://edukalibre.org/software ?
[10:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: I have a build system, I need somewhere to host all the debs :-)
[10:37] <ajmitch> aha
[10:42] <dholbach> i'll be off for now... see you later
[11:30] <herve> night all!


  :-P
[13:03] <davmor2> diddledan: it's Britian Nobody does it better
[13:03] <luna_> Got an 5£ Amazon Voucher that can't be used in Sweden, only UK anyone wants some free money?
[13:03] <diddledan> although I'm unsure what "a sarcastic" is. I'm wondering if it's like autistic..
[13:03] <diddledan> FREE MONEY!
[13:04] <diddledan> SHUDDUP AND GIVE ME MY MONEY
[13:04] <luna_> diddledan: :P
[13:04] <davmor2> diddledan: just a missing s
[13:04] <diddledan> davmor2: like you're slurring it? ssarcastic? :-p
[13:04] <luna_> diddledan: sure whats your email and i can send it over
[13:05] <diddledan> ooh, I really getting free monies?!
[13:05] <diddledan> sweetness
[13:05] <luna_> yeah got a 5£ voucher thing from a Survey i took for an antivirus program, but can only be used in UK and not Sweden :p
[13:05] <luna_> so i have no use for it
[13:05] <MooDoo> diddledan: it's a trap, you'll owe luna_ something for ever more ;
[13:05] <diddledan><EMAIL_ADDRESS>- difficult to guess ;-)
[13:05] <MooDoo> ;)
[13:06] <luna_> diddledan: sent it over now have fun with your 5£ :P
[13:06] <diddledan> and now I get spamm0red by all the harvesters trawling the intertubes for emails :-p
[13:06] <diddledan> \o/ danke *hug*
[13:06] <luna_> no problem
[13:07] <diddledan> of course now I have to find something to buy :-p
[13:07] <diddledan> oh, the agony!]
[13:07]  * diddledan fires-up amazon.co.uk
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> that 50" tv shall be yours... oh yes...
[13:09] <luna_> zmoylan-pi: heh i guess thats more then 5£
[13:09] <luna_> :D
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> he has a coupon :-D
[13:50] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/gvaireth/status/851687230716473344
[13:51] <diddledan> it's out!
[13:51] <diddledan> as of 40 minutes ago!
[13:52] <diddledan> get your zesty now!
[13:52] <davmor2> been on it for a while
[13:56] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[13:57] <SuperMatt> zomg!
[13:57] <luna_> gonna update tonight :)
[13:57] <SuperMatt> There's not as much tension in here these days, as they were around 14.04
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> we have a big pit outside were people can fight with giant cotton buds...
[13:59]  * MooDoo just upgraded to windows 10 creators update :p
[13:59] <luna_> MooDoo: i did that 2 days ago :p
[13:59] <luna_> and updated to 16.04.1 instead of 14.04 in the Bash for Windows thing today
[13:59] <MooDoo> luna_: just equials a few days ago as i'm on the preview program as well
[14:01] <luna_> ah
[14:02] <MooDoo> sucker for pain :)
[14:02] <luna_> MooDoo: heh then you will get the Redstone III builds soon :P
[14:02] <MooDoo> luna_: nah i'm only on the slow ring, not that brave :)
[14:03] <luna_> MooDoo: heh okay
[14:03] <MooDoo> luna_: s/brave/stupid/g ;)
[14:04] <luna_> :P
[14:05] <luna_> lets torrent some new Ubuntu :D
[14:05] <SuperMatt> Torrenting's illegal! :o :o :o
[14:06] <MooDoo>  SuperMatt no it isn't :p
[14:06] <diddledan> this is a really good use of alexa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUewiOZTNzM
[14:06] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: I know ;)
[14:06] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: i knew you knew :)
[14:07] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: then again, you knew that i knew that you knew, who knew right?
[14:07] <SuperMatt> I don't know any more
[14:07] <MooDoo> hehe
[14:07] <SuperMatt> just let me cry in the corner
[14:08] <luna_>                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUewiOZTNzM
[14:08] <luna_> whoops darn Putty :p
[14:08] <diddledan> I said that already :-p
[14:08] <diddledan> pastefail
[14:08] <SuperMatt> PUTTY RULES, GNOME-TERMINAL DROOLS
[14:09] <diddledan> PuTTY is the only real SSH client!
[14:09] <diddledan> all the others are turds
[14:09]  * MooDoo is using putty now onto my server so I can use irssi :)
[14:09] <SuperMatt> I'm in *yuck* iTerm
[14:09] <diddledan> :-o
[14:09] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: get our, your like shakespear....bard ;)
[14:10] <diddledan> SuperMatt: you are a sucker for punishment, using a mac *hides his apple logo*
[14:10] <diddledan> 
[14:10] <SuperMatt> I would love to dual boot this machine, because I get work done so much quicker under linux
[14:11] <diddledan> is it a work-provided system?
[14:11] <SuperMatt> yup
[14:11] <diddledan> gotcha - business hate workers changing stuff :-p
[14:11] <diddledan> businesses**
[14:12] <SuperMatt> I just don't understand why someone would hire linux engineers, but not let them use linux as their daily driver
[14:12] <diddledan> tis a bit nutty, aye
[14:13] <luna_> is https://ubuntu-mate.org/ down or just my network being slow?
[14:13] <diddledan> GNU Terry Pratchett all the things! http://www.gnuterrypratchett.com/
[14:13] <diddledan> WFM, luna_
[14:15] <SuperMatt> luna_: it's up
[14:24] <luna_> yeah got it now, just my network being slow :)
[14:46] <diddledan> Terry Pratchett anticipated the DRM standardisation process at the w3c: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/852532946237923328
[15:34] <Azelphur> just stumbled upon this website, https://explainshell.com/explain?cmd=rsync+-chavzP+--stats+user%40remote.host%3A%2Fpath%2Fto%2Fcopy+%2Fpath%2Fto%2Flocal%2Fstorage
[15:34] <Azelphur> it's like manpages 2.0, for lazy people. I like it
[15:35] <luna_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2017-April/001210.html
[15:36] <Azelphur> abundant anonymous aardvarks... I like it :)
[15:37] <Azelphur> also relevant, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!
[15:49] <luna_> Azelphur: hehe :D
[16:33]  * ahayzen wonders if there are any Ubuntu UK release parties this year ...
[17:13] <diddledan> popey: how did you set-up gnome? just a simple apt install ubuntu-gnome?
[17:15]  * diddledan listens to ubuntu voltage podcast
[17:44] <diddledan> I've got two fwupd processes - one using 200% cpu and the other another 100% cpu
[17:56] <diddledan> wtf? mr sandman!
[17:56] <diddledan> is that an easter egg?!
[18:29] <diddledan> WARNING: Microsoft has received a secret subpoena: http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-reveals-it-received-a-national-security-letter/
[18:40] <technocf> I'm having a bit of an issue: https://pastebin.com/ZjGT5Jm3
[18:45] <daftykins> and what is 'tlmgr' supplied by?
[18:46]  * penguin42 tries to think of a polite way of expressing my dissatisfaction with pastebin's ads
[18:46] <daftykins> https://askubuntu.com/questions/485514/how-to-properly-install-and-use-texlive-with-package-manager-in-14-04
[18:46] <daftykins> slightly different but seems relevant advice
[18:47] <daftykins> technocf: paste.ubuntu.com is good in future :)
[19:05] <technocf> I've returned.  Taking a look at what has been suggested.
[19:09] <technocf> Almost got it working now.
[19:16] <technocf> All works now.  :D
[19:17] <daftykins> was the above link's advice what did it?
[19:18] <technocf> Partially that, and some more Googling.
[19:18] <daftykins> heh
[19:19] <daftykins> a mate uses latex stuff a lot for his science research + work
[19:19] <technocf> I've recently started using it since it looks very professional.
[19:19] <daftykins> yeah, although i'm certain he spends more time faffing with it and the tools than he does doing his job
[19:20] <daftykins> "but it looks nice!" ;)
[19:20] <technocf> :D
[19:20] <technocf> Just loads of "\blindtext"
[19:27] <technocf> How would it be possible to sync a directory on my computer with a USB transferring the newest files either way?
[19:27] <penguin42> pair of rsync's ?
[19:27] <technocf> I'll take a look at that.
[19:28] <technocf> Heard of it vaguely before but never used it.
[19:29] <penguin42> technocf: The only thing to be careful of is the / on the first arg  - rsync -av foo bah  is different from  rsync -av   foo/ bah
[19:29] <daftykins> would recommend using something a bit more robust than a flash drive if that's what you meant
[19:29] <diddledan> there's an application called unison which will do two-directional rsync
[19:29] <technocf> Now that I think of it, probably just best to work directly on the USB.
[19:29] <daftykins> technocf: oh god no it's not
[19:29] <technocf> Or I may try what diddledan just said.
[19:29] <daftykins> asking for trouble
[19:29] <technocf> daftykins: Why not?
[19:31] <technocf> diddledan: unison looks like a good piece of software.  Will definitely be using that in the future.
[19:33] <daftykins> just the way USB storage works, flash drive or otherwise... you should never work directly from it
[19:33] <technocf> Okay.  I'll use unison.  :)
[19:37] <diddledan> "WSL is used by over half a million people each month"
[19:37] <diddledan> ref: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2017/04/11/testing-the-windows-subsystem-for-linux/
[19:38] <technocf> Using that on my Dell XPS 13 since I don't dare try to dual boot and break it.  The UEFI aspect of it makes it scary that I may never get it working again.
[19:42] <daftykins> technocf: i own an XPS 13 9350 myself and many others in here run them with *buntu, as does my Physics research friend - it's easy.
[19:43] <technocf> daftykins: I'm fine with this setup.
[19:43] <daftykins> ok, just telling you it's wrong to think UEFI is a barrier
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> uefi makes dual booting easier than before
[19:44] <technocf> MartijnVdS: I found it made it more difficult dual booting my desktop with: Linux and Gaming OS (Windows... *washes hands*)
[19:45] <diddledan> I tried googling earlier to see if anyone had made a UEFI thingy for a firmware-style BASIC interpreter (similar to the way that old micros came with a BASIC in ROM, only loaded early by the UEFI off disk instead of from ROM)
[19:45] <daftykins> gaming on a laptop with intel only graphics L O L
[19:45] <diddledan> I couldn't find anything :-(
[19:45] <technocf> No, a desktop with Nvidia graphics.  :P
[19:46] <daftykins> that's more like it
[19:46]  * diddledan nvidiises
[19:46] <diddledan> that sounds nasty
[19:46] <technocf> :D
[19:46]  * diddledan nvidiises daftykins . quite hard.
[19:46]  * daftykins has the local police launch an investigation over historic nvidiising by diddledan
[19:47] <technocf> Never tried it since I don't own one.  But Ubuntu on Ryzen?
[19:47] <daftykins> what of it?
[19:47] <diddledan> it'll work. might not be well optimised for a while yet though
[19:47] <technocf> Does it perform better than on Intel.
[19:47]  * penguin42 has seen various reviews that seem to say 'it depends'
[19:48] <daftykins> that question is already flawed given you'd have to have two identically matched chips to compare between, but they have different core counts
[19:48] <technocf> Will we have a64 and i64 releases in the future?
[19:48] <diddledan> no
[19:48] <daftykins> no, because all CPUs run x86-64
[19:48] <technocf> Okay
[19:48] <daftykins> you know AMD already have 64-bit chips right?
[19:48] <diddledan> ia64 is itanium, and dead.
[19:48] <daftykins> in fact they launched first :)
[19:48] <technocf> Don't really do much research into it.
[19:49] <diddledan> amd64 is the 64bit we use everywhere on x86
[19:49] <diddledan> even on intels
[19:49] <penguin42> yes because Intel were still trying to convince people to buy Itaniums while AMD was walking away with selling 64bit x86s
[19:49] <diddledan> intel tried to reinvent the architecture of the PC but AMD chose to retain backasswards compatibility. AMD won
[19:49] <technocf> Will amd64 not get confusing to newcomers who would maybe also expect int64 since it would look like that was aimed at AMD?
[19:50] <diddledan> no, because we use the term x86_64 these days
[19:50] <daftykins> technocf: welcome to the support channels and new users for the last 15+ years
[19:50] <daftykins> diddledan: nah users definitely come in asking where the intel 64-bit build is XD
[19:50] <diddledan> lol
[19:50] <diddledan> true
[19:50] <technocf> Ah, it already happens.
[19:51] <diddledan> what about the 68k_64?
[19:51] <diddledan> motorola is the futur
[19:51] <daftykins> "The first AMD64-based processor, the Opteron, was released in April 2003."
[19:51] <technocf> diddledan: Never hurd of that.
[19:51] <technocf> Anyone tried hurd?
[19:51] <diddledan> ppc_64 also, but that's not as good as the 68k arch :-p
[19:52] <daftykins> i was herding kittens again earlier
[19:52] <diddledan> daftykins: \o/
[19:52]  * diddledan cuddles teh kittehs
[19:52] <daftykins> their cleaner was complaining to me about how much mess they make XD
[19:52] <diddledan> kittykuddle ftw
[19:52] <technocf> :D
[19:53] <technocf> Greatest invention of mankind: https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
[19:53] <daftykins> i thought i was being all on the ball before, showered there, then closed the door - later i hear MIAOW, MIAOW
[19:53] <daftykins> she'd gone and snuck in via teleportation again i swear!
[19:54] <diddledan> :-D
[19:54] <daftykins> hmm not very appropriate link for the channel, technocf
[19:54] <technocf> I soz
[19:54] <diddledan> grr @ planned-parenthood being attacked by Trumpet
[19:55] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/TransEquality/status/852610620616605696
[19:59] <technocf> I'm surprised git isn't installed by default in Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.2
[19:59] <daftykins> i'm not
[19:59] <technocf> Why's that?
[20:01] <penguin42> dev tools aren't installed by default
[20:01] <daftykins> I see Planet Earth II is out on 4K bluray now, that'd totally be worth trying out :O
[20:02] <technocf> gcc was preinstalled though...
[20:02] <daftykins> !info gcc xenial
[20:03] <daftykins> optional - usually isn't
[20:03] <daftykins> typically you throw on build-essential for that kinda stuff
[20:03] <technocf> Well, I tried it when I first installed from the DVD and it was there.
[20:03] <daftykins> *shrug* i'm not gonna lose any sleep over it
[20:03] <technocf> Not trying to argue :(, just thought it interesting that gcc was there but no git.
[20:04] <daftykins> i'm not even a dev and that's obvious to me
[20:05] <penguin42> technocf: Hmm I'm curious why gcc was - are you using zfs or something?
[20:06] <penguin42> technocf: Anyway, it'll prrobably have been pulled in for something specific is my guess
[20:06] <technocf> penguin42: No, ext4.
[20:06] <technocf> Maybe I did install it as a dependency for something and didn't realise.
[20:07] <daftykins> makes sense
[20:08] <diddledan> any DKMS drivers will pull gcc
[20:08] <technocf> It's a UEFI install.
[20:08] <daftykins> that shouldn't change anything
[20:09] <technocf> I dunno' then.  Nevermind.
[20:09] <technocf> I was wondering if anyone else in here has used the editor "micro".
[20:10] <daftykins> diddledan: my client that got an iMac a couple of years ago for home has pretty much decided to abandon it since i got him an XPS 13 laptop for other uses, earlier he'd been after replacing it with a Windows all in one - which i was dead against :>
[20:10] <daftykins> gonna push for just springing for a Win 10 license now :>
[20:14] <diddledan> "the NES classic is awesome. Everyone loves it. Let's EOL it." https://twitter.com/SirTapTap/status/852615574068891648
[20:14] <diddledan> seriously, WTF, Nintendo?!
[20:21] <daftykins> idiots enabling scalpers yet again
[21:23] <diddledan> macos on a raspi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvAAzRbNj5s
[21:24] <daftykins> horrific :P
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> that's the sort of thing that will release a steve jobs zombie loose upon the earth :-P
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> and nintendo released the classic to keep their name alive... but don't need it now that the switch hasn't bombed
[21:32] <daftykins> mmm don't think so, folk still wanted access to the older gen stuff
[21:33] <daftykins> though the Wii/Wii U and likely soon, Switch have emulator features they're typically inferior
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> and of course nintendo fans want access to older stuff... nintendo is the nostalgia king of the electronic gaming universe
[21:36] <daftykins> there was a funny piece that explained how the ROM for a Mario title on the Wii's virtual console is actually a pirated download instead of sourced directly :D
[21:36] <diddledan> oops
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> it was either that or find a backup tape with copy of original rom...
[21:59] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyCYva9DhsI
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be interesting to see if they slow down the release of nintendo games on ios and android now that switch seems to be doing well
[23:54]  * diddledan worries: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-launch-strike-if-north-korea-reaches-nuclear-n746366
[23:55] <zmoylan-pi> just as long as 2 crazy leaders don't end up facing each other down waiting for the other to blink... oh...


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[15:43] <Kilos> moved israel but not sure its right