[07:32] <imnes> Also no plugins for the browser sucks.  But I installed the 32 bit version of the browser, and crossover office (which gave me all the plugins I needed), so that way I could have 64 bit totem and still have videos play in my 32 bit browser. Just a few apps I can't get going under 64 :(
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) hm
[07:32] <imnes> yeah I'll let you know.
[07:33] (erik/#ubuntu) I'm thinking about putting hoary on this amd64 to see if it has ximianized OOo
[07:33] (erik/#ubuntu) but I don't want to break it because my wife types papers on this machine
[07:34] <imnes> I think some of these programs will work under 64 bit just their InstallShield installer's don't run.  Maybe I can install them under 32 bit, make .tar.gz of them and then just untar them on the 64 bit system and run them...  I don't know.
[07:34] (erik/#ubuntu) there are installshield programs for linux?
[07:34] (erik/#ubuntu) O_o
[07:35] <imnes> yeah
[07:35] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) erik: you don't need that
[07:35] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) erik: there's the package manager..
[07:35] (erik/#ubuntu) I don't think I've installed software outside of apt-get or automake in like five years
[07:36] <imnes> Well some programs, doom3, crossover office, zend studio, myeclipse, have their own installers and no .deb packages (so far as I know).
[07:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: currently, 32-bit compatibility is not yet really working in ubuntu.. from what I've heard
[07:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: true, but I think that's a Bad thing, and those people should fix it
[07:36] (erik/#ubuntu) ah yeah, I ran loki-installer for doom3 heh
[07:36] <imnes> Treenaks: I figured so, it kinda sucks in fedora right now too.
[07:36] (erik/#ubuntu) what is zend studio?
[07:36] <imnes> it's a PHP ide.
[07:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: you mean "an alternative to vim" ?
[07:36] (erik/#ubuntu) heh
[07:36] (erik/#ubuntu) why do you need a whole IDE for php?
[07:36] <imnes> yeah
[07:37] <imnes> it's a fatter slower vim lol
[07:37] (erik/#ubuntu) emacs does php, hell, emacs will run php
[07:37] (erik/#ubuntu) actually that's not true, php is emacs's weakest point
[07:37] (erik/#ubuntu) it doesn't handle the php-code / html-code split very well
[07:38] <imnes> I'm pretty good in vim, but never got comfortable using emacs.
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) once you get deep into emacs you can't get back out again
[07:38] <imnes> hehe, is that a good thing?
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) I consider it good
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) it makes me hate everything else a lot more
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) like
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) EVERYTHING else.
[07:38] <imnes> What happened to the people on the login screen on ubuntu?  One day they were there, next day they were gone.
[07:39] (erik/#ubuntu) any place I can enter text I curse when there aren't emacs keybindings
[07:39] <imnes> lol
[07:39] <imnes> I usually end up using vim keystrokes in IDEs, it's annoying.
[07:39] (erik/#ubuntu) I think some people were upset with the hot chicks
[07:39] (erik/#ubuntu) for GOD KNOWS WHAT reason
[07:39] <imnes> I saved the screens I guess I can just stick them back in.
[07:40] (erik/#ubuntu) where did they get that artwork anyway?  someone convinced their railthin buddies to do a photoshoot, or did they rent some professional advertising models or what
[07:41] (erik/#ubuntu) professional-looking photography isn't really a "linux thing" heh
[07:41] <imnes> I don't know.
[07:41] <Rene_S> The hot chicks werent the problem, i resented the skinny guy in the pics because it wasnt me
[08:04] (jdub/#ubuntu) erik: professional models
[08:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) people looking at me from my computer screen tends to creep me out
[08:10] (erik/#ubuntu) jdub: ah
[08:14] <osiris_22> \lmao
[08:14] <osiris_22> my friend cant get xmms to play his mucis
[08:14] <osiris_22> music files
[08:14] <osiris_22> lmao
[08:15] <osiris_22> its sooooo funny
[08:15] <osiris_22> im not having any problems
[08:15] <potato> how ?
[08:15] <osiris_22> but hes having all kinds of problems
[08:15] <osiris_22> and hes gacked on dxm
[08:15] <osiris_22> lmao
[08:15] <potato> so you're happy that your friend can't play music
[08:15] <potato> remind me never to become your friend
[08:15] <osiris_22> no no no
[08:15] <osiris_22> lol
[08:15] <osiris_22> im trying to help him
[08:17] <potato> what does "gacked" mean ?
[08:18] <osiris_22> trashed
[08:18] <osiris_22> lol
[08:18] <osiris_22> *shakes his head*
[08:18] <briareus> gacked, fscked, b0rked
[08:18] <osiris_22> lol
[08:18] <osiris_22> yeah
[08:18] <osiris_22> he drank cough syrup lmao
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: mp3 support isn't instaled by default
[08:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: also check for hung instances of xmms in the background
[08:23] <osiris_22> it worked for me right away
[08:23] <osiris_22> but im having him install everything that says xmms in synaptic
[08:23] <osiris_22> jsut to be sure
[08:24] <osiris_22> he removed xmms
[08:24] <osiris_22> and hes reinstalling it
[08:24] <osiris_22> along with all the other xmms file
[08:26] <Hikaru79> Question... my friend just installed (we think) the driver for his ATI Radeon 9200; but he's not getting any 3d acceleration. Any ideas what the problem could be
[08:26] <Hikaru79> ?
[08:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I think it's xmms-mad you're looking for
[08:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) could someone check to see if /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart works for them?
[08:29] <osiris_22> how do i update firefox?
[08:29] <osiris_22> any ideas on how to do that?
[08:29] <Hikaru79> Download the installer
[08:29] <Hikaru79> And follow the instructions
[08:29] <osiris_22> firefox.com?
[08:29] <osiris_22> or mozilla.com
[08:30] <Hikaru79> Either
[08:31] <brion> Okay, that's slightly annoying. I mounted a drive in a shell, and a Nautilus window popped up and stole keyboard focus. :)
[08:32] <mbb> brion: yeah, I'd like to turn that off too.
[08:35] <brion> Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Removable Storage; uncheck "Browse removable media when inserted"
[08:35] <brion> seems to do the trick
[08:35] <brion> technically this drive is removable, but it takes a screwdriver ;)
[08:36] <osiris_22> hey
[08:36] <osiris_22> i dotn happen to see my waste basket anywhere
[08:36] <osiris_22> umm where would it be?
[08:37] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) if it's gone from the panel.. add it again
[08:38] <osiris_22> actually its still there
[08:38] <osiris_22> its just
[08:38] <osiris_22> off from my field of view
[08:38] <osiris_22> how do i get it back into my field of view
[08:41] <FTTP> holy crap
[08:42] <FTTP> microsoft took down freedesktop.org
[08:42] <FTTP> or some evil os company
[08:42] <FTTP> maybe sco
[08:42] <FTTP> On November 15th, freedesktop.org was compromised by a remote user. While we do not believe that any code or accounts have been compromised, we are in the process of rebuilding all our machines from scratch. We apologise for the inconvenience, and expect public services to start becoming available soon.
[08:42] <FTTP> my guess :  EVIL SOFTWARE CO
[08:42] <FTTP> trying to destroy freedesktop
[08:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) what a spectacular mix of paranoia and speculation
[08:44] (TerminX/#ubuntu) are there any Ubuntu specific instructions for captive ntfs?
[08:44] (TerminX/#ubuntu) friend wants to set it up and I can't be arsed to hold his hand right now :D
[08:44] <FTTP> gammaray:  isnt freedesktop.org and ubuntu linked?
[08:44] <FTTP> i mean have employees that work over there or something
[08:45] <FTTP> gammaray its not paranoia.......... someone is trying to destroy linux
 #1
[08:45] <osiris_22> how do i add a trash can icon to my desktop
[08:46] <FTTP> gammaray what os was freedesktop.org running?
[08:46] <FTTP> so i know NEVER TO USE IT :P
[08:46] <FTTP> errr
[08:47] <FTTP> whats the thing to show you wich software is on a website?
[08:47] <FTTP> netcraft?
[08:47] <FTTP> Apache/1.3.31 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.9-1 mod_auth_pam/1.1.1 mod_ssl/2.8.20 OpenSSL/0.9.7d mod_perl/1.29 DAV/1.0.3
[08:47] <FTTP> oh shit
[08:48] <FTTP> debian was compromised?
[08:48] <FTTP> dang
[08:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://lwn.net/Articles/111451/
[08:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) read up will you?
[08:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it seems the Wiki software is to blame
[08:49] <osiris_22> how what about burning cds in ubuntu
[08:51] <FTTP> gammaray thank goodness
[08:51] <FTTP> i dont run twiki :P
[08:51] <FTTP> gammaray security is a huge deal now
[08:51] <FTTP> at least vulnerability is known and opensource code is there so it will be plugged
[08:51] <FTTP> microsoft would take years ;p
[08:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: nautilus can do that: places > cd creator
[08:53] <FTTP> gammaray think selinux would have helped?
[08:53] <jomohke> Just did a fresh ubuntu install (and have never used debian before). How can I update firefox to 1.0? (assuming I'm supposed to use the package tool, and not just download it from mozilla.org)
[08:54] <osiris_22> yeah but how do you burn a music cd and such?
[08:54] <king_arthur> jomohke: the package tool is normally the way to go but last week was not updated
[08:54] <Hikaru79> There's no package for it yet, jomohke
[08:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: if you drag wav files in, it will give the option to burn an audio cd
[08:55] <king_arthur> jomohke: just download from the firefox portal and click on install. It works :-)
[08:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: for more advanced burning, use k3b.
[08:57] <king_arthur> jomohke: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
[08:58] <jomohke> So I should just download it from their site?
[08:58] <king_arthur> jomohke: to install 1.0 yes. That's about the only option you have
[08:59] <jomohke> How far away would a proper package be?
[08:59] <jomohke> Is it usually long?
[08:59] <king_arthur> jomohke: The Linux installer script will do it for you. It's easy
[08:59] <king_arthur> jomohke: What's long?
[09:00] <king_arthur> jomohke: And what's far?
[09:00] <Misirlou> hola
[09:00] <jomohke> I meant how long could it be before an official package is updated for firefox?
[09:01] <Misirlou> I saw the "You should never see this question" question and I'd like to confirm that I should select "warty" instead of "hoary", "grumpy", or "perky"
[09:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jomohke: until hoary is released
[09:02] <king_arthur> jomohke: good question. Ubuntu are extremely in maintaining packages  but it's not up to them.
[09:02] <king_arthur> jomohke: it 's up to Debian and universe
[09:02] <Misirlou> sorry, I forgot to add that I'm performing an installation of warty-release-install-powerpc.iso
[09:05] <Chibi> Wow. FreeNX is nice.
[09:05] <Chibi> Much better than VNC D:
[09:06] <potato> does it use the same protocol ?
[09:07] <Chibi> It's a bit diffrent, so I'm hearing. And that makes sense. Does a lot of compression before it sends out. Runs MUCH faster.
[09:08] <Misirlou> I'm gonna go with "warty" then :)
[09:08] <Chibi> I was actually able to watch a movie over it :D
[09:09] <Chibi> This'll really help out leaving home. Now I can take a 6 pound 133 mhz laptop around with me rather than a 40 pound ATX tower and 80 pound crt. D:
[09:13] <king_arthur> hi there everybody, just recovered from a little firefox/chatzilla crash (still a bit unstable ;)
[09:15] <king_arthur> BTW yesterdy I got my Ubuntu install CD's Who are we gonna thank for that?
[09:15] <king_arthur> I just do it here... Thank you ubuntu :-)
[09:16] <netmonk> king_arthur, when did you order it, and where do you live?
[09:16] <potato> Chibi, but it seems like you have to pay for the server
[09:17] <potato> after the eval is over
[09:17] <king_arthur> I live in Italy and got them with the Ubuntu Cd order system
[09:17] <Chibi> potato - There's a gpl version.
[09:17] <netmonk> king_arthur, 10x for the info, I
[09:17] <potato> Chibi, would you have a url for it ?
[09:17] <netmonk> I'm just anxious to get the cd's
[09:17] <Chibi> Better, repository with debs. :P
[09:18] <potato> I'm not on a debian based distro
[09:18] <Chibi> Then why ya hanging out in here? D:
[09:18] <king_arthur> netmonk: have ordered them?
[09:18] <potato> so do they provide the source somewhere ?
[09:18] <potato> Chibi, like the artwork :)
[09:18] <Chibi> :P
[09:18] <king_arthur> netmonk: where about do you live?
[09:19] <netmonk> king_arthur, yes - 25 and I'm waiting, I live in Bulgaria
[09:19] <osiris_22> ok now the dredded question.. what about 3D graphics drivers for nvidia????
[09:19] <Chibi> I'm sure they have it around somewhere, in a winex style 'good luck compiling this' sort of dealie. D:
[09:19] <king_arthur> netmonk: BTW they look real nice, nice artwork
[09:20] <netmonk> king_arthur, enough ;), I'm getting jelaous
[09:20] <king_arthur> netmonk: did you now that with the live install jou have a bunch of open sofware you can directly install on winkozz?
[09:20] <Chibi> deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian/ ./ <- the repository with freenx D:
[09:20] <osiris_22> so its not gonna be easy to get 3d working properly
[09:20] <king_arthur> netmonk: sorry not live install but "live CD"
[09:21] <netmonk> king_arthur, no, I'm with Warty but I wanted the cd's to give away to friends
[09:21] <netmonk> king_arthur, but i have
[09:22] <netmonk> king_arthur, but i haven't heard that
[09:22] <king_arthur> netmonk: if you are silly enough to keep windows you can install firefox, thinderbird, Gimp and another few directly from that CD
[09:22] <king_arthur> netmonk: it's very usefull :-)
[09:22] <potato> thanks anyway
[09:22] <Chibi> Windows.. ewwwww D:
[09:22] <netmonk> king_arthur, no windows at home. just suse on the pc, and ubuntu on my toshiba laptop
[09:23] <king_arthur> netmonk: like to hear that.. you are a wise man 8-)
[09:23] <netmonk> king_arthur, yeah! just had my third wisdomtooth come out, lol
[09:24] <phlaegel> osiris_22: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:24] <king_arthur> netmonk: BTW I have no partitions left for winkozz on my PC
[09:24] <king_arthur> netmonk: jut no space available :-)
[09:25] <netmonk> king_arthur, same here ;)
[09:26] <king_arthur> netmonk: well good luck with your CD's you'll get them no worries
[09:27] <netmonk> king_arthur, 10x
[09:28] <potato> Chibi, it actually has a script in there to pull down all the sources :)
[09:29] <Chibi> rawkin. :P
[09:29] <potato> you don't want to execute that on dialup, though
[09:29] <potato> hehe
[09:31] <Burgundavia> anybody here going to the conference?
[09:35] <osiris_22> everytime i try to send a file on gaim
[09:35] <osiris_22> everything closes
[09:35] <osiris_22> and i have to reopen and log on gaim
[09:38] <mojo> ***prelink -ua
[09:38] <mojo> daniels: can u upload the new Nvidia driver?
[09:39] <osiris_22> is it normal for apps like gaim to fail like that?
[09:39] <osiris_22> or does that mean something is wrong with my junk
[09:39] <Burgundavia> are you running hoary or warty?
[09:40] <osiris_22> it was the warty install
[09:40] <brion> Anybody happen to know where the PHP4 MySQL module is hiding? I seem to recall Debian hides it in a php4-mysql package, but I can't seem to dig up the equivalent on warty.
[09:40] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: That package does indeed exist, it is, however, in the universe archive.
[09:40] <brion> Lathiat, thanks
[09:40] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: know how to add that etc?
[09:41] <brion> no, but i will soon
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) if you open up synaptic
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) goto the repositories
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) edit the main line and add unvierse on the end of it
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) (the one with warty main restricted)
[09:41] <brion> oooooooh
[09:41] <osiris_22> like sending files was working in gaim
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) (to the sections)
[09:41] <Agrajag> and multiverse
[09:41] <osiris_22> and then all of a sudden
[09:42] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: sending files on what protocol?
[09:42] <osiris_22> when i try to send a file it just all closes
[09:42] <osiris_22> umm idk
[09:42] <osiris_22> it was on gaim
[09:42] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) [that means its crashing]
[09:42] <Agrajag> if you're going to add universe you may as well do multiverse too
[09:42] <osiris_22> ok why is it crashing
[09:42] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: Yes but gaim speaks many protocols
[09:42] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osi	msn, icq, aim, zephyr, irc, etc
[09:42] <osiris_22> oh in msn
[09:42] <brion> multiverse sounds frightening :)
[09:42] <osiris_22> it did it in aim too
[09:42] <netmonk> osiris_22, the problem is in MSn ;)
[09:43] <Agrajag> brion: multiverse is just the nonfree stuff
[09:43] <osiris_22> but it did it when i tried to do it int he aim part of gaim too
[09:43] <osiris_22> it just closed
[09:43] <brion> bah, if i want nonfree i'll install it on my solaris partition ;)
[09:43] <osiris_22> crashed what ever
[09:43] <Agrajag> it's still gratis, just not Free
[09:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: haha, universe is main from debian and multiverse is non-free/contrib from debian :)
[09:43] <osiris_22> should i not worry about it?
[09:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osir	could be a new buggy version of gaim? who knows
[09:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osi	so have you upgraded since before it broke?
[09:44] <osiris_22> it was the gaim that came on the disk when i i nstalled it
[09:44] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hmm tabs and ^Wdont work very well on a very lagggy ssh connection
[09:44] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you havent upgraded since?
[09:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: the only way to know why is to run gaim in a debugger and show the output from that to the gaim devs.
[09:44] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) (from the online archives)
[09:44] <osiris_22> how do i gamma
[09:45] <mass_> quick poll, if I was going to format a very large hard disk, wanted to be confident that the filesystem wouldn't corrupt itself due to an immature driver, and wanted to be able to stay with my choice for several years.. what should I choose?
[09:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's a bit of a process.. you would have to recompile gaim w/ debigging support and no optimazation
[09:45] <mass_> jfs? xfs? reiser3/4? ext2? minix? :)
[09:45] <Agrajag> reiser 3.6
[09:45] <osiris_22> i dont know how to do that lmao
[09:45] <osiris_22> haha
[09:46] <Agrajag> I say stay away from ext, I've had bad experiences with 2 and 3
[09:46] <osiris_22> blah
[09:46] <osiris_22> i cant send any files
[09:46] <osiris_22> thats bull
[09:46] <osiris_22> im really mad over that one
[09:46] <osiris_22> lol
[09:46] <osiris_22> everything was working untill then
[09:47] <Agrajag> try building your own gaim?
[09:47] <osiris_22> its worki8ng fine for chatting
[09:47] <osiris_22> it just wotn let me send a file as soon as i send a screen shot bam it all closes on me
[09:47] <osiris_22> its annoying
[09:48] <brion> Lathiat, thanks; got it running.
[09:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: no problems :)
[09:52] <mass_> no comments on jfs or xfs? :)
[09:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) mass_: i stick with ext3, its never failed me
[09:59] <Agrajag> xfs is supposed to be fastest
[09:59] <Agrajag> not necessarily most stable, I don't know
[09:59] <Agrajag> someone did a comparison of all the journaled linux FSes
[09:59] <Agrajag> Reiser came out on top I think, with xfs close behind
[09:59] <Agrajag> let me see if I canfind it
[10:00] <Gnobody> how do you make .deb
[10:00] <Gnobody> ?
[10:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Agrajag: I stopped using Reiser after it trashed 2 important servers
[10:00] <Agrajag> hm
[10:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: from what?
[10:01] <Agrajag> well everyone's gonna say they've had probalem with all of them I guess
[10:01] <Agrajag> problems
[10:01] <Agrajag> or whatever
[10:01] <Agrajag> too tired to make a coherent setence apparently
[10:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: The Official Guide is here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[10:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: it's the official policy guide on creating packages
[10:02] <mass_> I'm kinda gearing towards reiser3
[10:03] <mass_> perhaps one day there will be a migration path to reiser4 :)
[10:03] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mass_: just go with ext3, it's the most well-tested one
[10:03] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Reiserfs really doesn't have many advantages.. I can't name any..
[10:04] <kris_> hi all!
[10:04] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) hi
[10:04] <jomohke> What's the "universe" package things? Is it unstable packages or just unsupported?
[10:05] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jomohke: it's the packages from debian-unstable, with a few bugfixes, and it's not supported by the Ubuntu people
[10:06] <kris_> anybody using xchat?
[10:07] <kris_> q: how do i change the color of the text in the talk "prompt"?
[10:07] <kris_> it's silver on white by default...
[10:08] <kris_> ...hurts my eyes...
[10:10] (ryan/#ubuntu) hrm, i suddenly have a problem with xorg...anyone else have it bomb out saying it can't load the libfb.a module?
[10:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: no
[10:12] <Burgundavia> sorry, nope
[10:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: which driver are you using?
[10:12] (ryan/#ubuntu) nvidia driver
[10:12] <Burgundavia> kris_: I am, and mine defaults to white on black
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) latest one
[10:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: latest or latest package?
[10:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: you should use the ubuntu package version
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) it was working fine, then i shut down to install my sblive and when i booted back up i got the ol' gdm can't start the x server message
[10:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) i used the latest from nvidia.com
[10:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: don't do that.. use packages
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) but like i said, its been working fine
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) for the last 8 days
[10:14] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: yes, but if it breaks after rebooting, the kernel module must've broken
[10:14] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:14] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) we can't support nvidia's binary drivers.. use the ones in the package, and if they don't work use the 'nv' driver
[10:16] (ryan/#ubuntu) very well
[10:17] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) you might need to re-install the restricted-modules package for your kernel
[10:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) at first i thought "nonsense, i've rebooted several times since i got the new driver" but the archive was downloaded 8 days ago too so i guess you're right ;)
[10:17] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) (as the nvidia-driver has likely overwitten the driver)
[10:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) i'm reinstalling nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev
[10:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) so far
[10:21] <Burgundavia> anybody here going to the conference?
[10:21] <jomohke> the actual nvidia driver installer when you download it from nvidia compiles its interface for your kernel, would using that instead of the package work?
[10:22] <jomohke> A little far away for me. :)
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: I am
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jomohke: he is using that, but it's not working
[10:22] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: Anybody do you know that can help me find a hostel in mataro?
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jomohke: also, the package is better supported
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: look on the ConferenceAttendees page on the wiki
[10:22] (ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: thanks, that worked just fine :)
[10:22] <Burgundavia> jomohke: you are farther than most
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: and the Conference page
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: it has a hostel
[10:23] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: I did, but I cannot find a hostel with any of those links
[10:23] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: The hostel listed is only 15+ groups
[10:23] <jomohke> gnome.conf.au is in my city next year, so I'll certainly be going to that..
[10:23] (ryan/#ubuntu) i'll just wait till ubuntu puts the newer driver in thenb
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: as I understand it, they only take reservations from group > 15 people.. smaller groups can go, but not make a reservation
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: if I understand correctly
[10:24] <Burgundavia> ryan: You are lucky. I have no 3d support with my 9600
[10:24] (ryan/#ubuntu) besides, the only reason i upgraded was to see improved performance with composite, and it was still quite glitchy anyhow
[10:24] <Burgundavia> Burgundavia: ok
[10:24] (ryan/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: thats why i <3 nvidia
[10:24] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: are you listed on the attendees page?
[10:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: yes
[10:25] (ryan/#ubuntu) i had a radeon 7500 once...for about 3 days or so
[10:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: but I've booked a room in thethe NH hotel
[10:25] (ryan/#ubuntu) took it back, scoured the town for an nvidia card, got my ti 4200 (when it was new)
[10:25] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: ok, your real name is not what irc says it is then
[10:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: it's what /whois tells you
[10:25] (ryan/#ubuntu) but even 3d worked with the radeon 7500 ;) just not as well as i wanted
[10:26] <kris_> help me
[10:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kremlyn: context?
[10:27] (ryan/#ubuntu) joy to the world, xmms segfaults. ryannn isss impressed! o~/
[10:27] <Burgundavia> kris_: that did not fix it?
[10:27] <kris_> nope
[10:27] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kremlyn: don't dcc please
[10:27] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: Your trip will be much cheaper than mine
[10:27] <kris_> it's the same
[10:27] <Burgundavia> kris_: I am out of ideas
[10:27] <kris_> nobody else had the same problems?!
[10:27] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: I pay 150 for the return flight..
[10:27] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: euros
[10:28] <Burgundavia> kris_: you can try removing and reinstalling xchat as a drastic last measure, just make sure you remove residual config as well
[10:28] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: $1000 CAD for my plane
[10:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: ugh..
[10:28] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) Treenaks: with what airline are you flying ?
[10:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) sjoerd: basiqair
[10:28] <Burgundavia> West coast of Canada to Europe is not cheap
[10:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: true..
[10:29] <Burgundavia> If only I lived in Europe, boy would it be much cheaper
[10:29] <kris_> is there a config file for xchat?
[10:29] (ryan/#ubuntu) erm
[10:29] <kris_> ...couldn't find any.
[10:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kris_: just configure it from the menu.
[10:29] (ryan/#ubuntu) mplayer segfaults too now? :<
[10:29] (alexissoft/#ubuntu) hi
[10:29] <kris_> i tried
[10:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kris_: or ask on #xchat
[10:29] <Burgundavia> kris_: .xchat2 in my home dir
[10:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: reinstall xserver-xorg too..
[10:30] <kris_> thenx
[10:30] <kris_> i'll look into it
[10:30] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: any idea of how many are coming? I figure about 100
[10:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: no clue..
[10:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: but the list is growing quite fast already
[10:33] (ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: unfortunately didn't help
[10:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'd like to rebuild a deb w/ no optimizations and debugging. So I do export CFLAGS="-g -O0" and dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot
[10:34] (ryan/#ubuntu) so xmms and mplayer mysteriously segfault now
[10:34] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) but it seems to be ignoring me
[10:34] (ryan/#ubuntu) but beep media player works...
[10:34] (ryan/#ubuntu) is it a gtk1 thing maybe?
[10:37] (ryan/#ubuntu) aye
[10:37] (ryan/#ubuntu) mupen64 segfaults too
[10:37] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: there's DEB_BUILD_OPTS or something like that
[10:37] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: but why rebuild?
[10:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: it must be a library thing..
[10:38] <kris_> ok, there's another thing, that suits this channel better..
[10:39] (ryan/#ubuntu) i'm thinking its because of my recent apt-get upgrade rather than the nvidia driver thing
[10:39] (ryan/#ubuntu) i apt-get upgraded when the x server wouldn't start, thought what the hell maybe this will help
[10:39] <kris_> what is the current best way to fix multimedia in ubuntu?
[10:39] (ryan/#ubuntu) heh
[10:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Treenaks: so I can debug or atleast get a decent backtrace
[10:39] <kris_> is it apt-get install totem-xine?
[10:39] <kris_> -it is easiest way,
[10:39] <kris_> but...
[10:40] (ryan/#ubuntu) ok its not gtk1, cause basilisk2 is fine and gtk-theme-switch is fine
[10:40] (ryan/#ubuntu) grrr
[10:40] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Treenaks: CFLAGS := -g -O0 in the rules file seems to do it
[10:41] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: there's DEB_BUILD_OPTS for that too..
[10:42] (ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: seems to have to do with gl...
[10:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Treenaks: seems to do it also
[10:49] (ryan/#ubuntu) ugh finally
[10:50] (ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: funny how running the nvidia updater with --uninstall _first_ and _then_ reinstalling nvidia-glx etc works so much better hey
[10:51] <osiris_22> how do i install a tar.gz file
[10:52] <osiris_22> i downloaded the newest amsn
[10:52] <osiris_22> but i dont know how to install it
[10:52] <stuNNed> anyone else have system loclups using smp kernel in good ole hoary?
[10:52] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: well,      tar zxf thefilename.tar.gz         will extract the contents.
[10:52] <osiris_22> i got it extracted
[10:53] <osiris_22> but what do i do then
[10:53] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: ok - i just went to the aMSN website.
[10:53] <Exasparilla> put that tar.gz down and just get the .deb
[10:54] <Exasparilla> there's a link on the Download page.
[10:55] <osiris_22> yeah
[10:55] <osiris_22> ok
[10:55] <osiris_22> but
[10:55] <osiris_22> where do i dl the deb file at
[10:55] <osiris_22> like when i click ont he dl link
[10:55] <osiris_22> it dont say dl
[10:55] <osiris_22> its giving me all kinds of options
[10:55] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: i'll help.  hold on
[10:56] <osiris_22> and i have no idea what to get
[10:56] <Exasparilla> you running on an i386?
[10:56] <Exasparilla> not ppc?
[10:56] <osiris_22> yes 1386
[10:56] <osiris_22> i386
[10:57] <Exasparilla> ok.  Near the bottom of the page that you got to from the aMSN Download page, it says "Download amsn" in big bold letters
[10:57] <Exasparilla> click the i386 button right below that.
[10:58] <osiris_22> ok got the file
[10:58] <osiris_22> what do i do next
[10:58] <Exasparilla> sudo dpkg -i whateverthefileis.deb
[10:59] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: Do you have the "Universe" package repository enabled?  Is amsn there?
[11:00] <osiris_22> and thats it?
[11:00] <osiris_22> tis installed
[11:01] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: Save yourself some trouble by enabling the "Universe" repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.  It looks like amsn was already there.
[11:01] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: for next time :)
[11:01] <Exasparilla> does it work?
[11:01] <osiris_22> up it does nothen but let me try something ill brb
[11:01] <osiris_22> yeah but it was an older version of amsn
[11:03] <jlmontero> p
[11:05] <jlmontero> #ubuntu-es
[11:06] <jlmontero> hola
[11:06] <Exasparilla> jlmontero: /join #ubuntu-es
[11:11] <osiris_22> ok
[11:11] <osiris_22> now amsn works
[11:11] <osiris_22> do you know anything about installing java and putting it in the path for limewire or bearshare?
[11:11] <osiris_22> i got that gkt
[11:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) eww amsn
[11:11] <osiris_22> but my frien is incisting to use limewire or bearshare
[11:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) why not use gaim?
[11:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) amsn is ugly and old
[11:11] <osiris_22> lmao
[11:12] <osiris_22> i cant get gaim to be stable
[11:12] <osiris_22> its annoying me
[11:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) oh you
[11:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) thats right
[11:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it works fine for me :)
[11:12] <osiris_22> everytime i try to send a file it crashes.. and it wasnt doing that before
[11:12] <osiris_22> but now it is so i give up
[11:12] <osiris_22> ok so about the java thing
[11:12] <osiris_22> any idea how to do that
[11:12] <hussein> hello
[11:12] <Exasparilla> yes
[11:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: i think theres somethign about java in the wiki
[11:13] <osiris_22> im a newb
[11:13] <osiris_22> lmao
[11:13] <hussein> hey, this is the official Ubuntu channel right?
[11:13] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: it's easy easy on debian.
[11:13] <osiris_22> ya gotta speak english
[11:13] <kris_> java is not so difficult to install.
[11:13] <Exasparilla> dunno about ubuntu
[11:13] <osiris_22> well when i try to install limewire it says there is no vm installed
[11:13] <osiris_22> and i installed java
[11:13] <hussein> I especially like the Gnome-ized OpenOffice.org
[11:14] <hussein> can I get the sources to it?
[11:14] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: how did you install java?
[11:14] <kris_> get java from java.sun.com
[11:14] <osiris_22> i installed the java on synaptic
[11:14] <kris_> install it in e.g. /opt/java
[11:14] <kris_> and make symbolic links
[11:15] <osiris_22> see with suse limewire jsut worked
[11:15] <hussein> does anyone know where I can get the sources to the compiled binaries in Ubuntu?
[11:15] <osiris_22> but i cant use suse anymore
[11:15] <osiris_22> because of my lcd screen
[11:15] <osiris_22> it basicly said fuck you lol
[11:15] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: Here's what I do:  go to www.apt-get.org and search for j2re.  It'll give you a list of repositories you can add to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:16] <kris_> java:
[11:16] (ryan/#ubuntu) does anyone know what package x86dga.h would be in on ubuntu
[11:16] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: I use          deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[11:16] (ryan/#ubuntu) i tried searching packages.debian.org with the search package contents option, it said xlibs-static-dev
[11:17] <kris_> java: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713&highlight=java+ln
[11:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) i have that, but i don't have that file still
[11:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) even after reinstalling the package to make sure
[11:17] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: then just install j2re from synaptic
[11:18] <osiris_22> ok
[11:18] <osiris_22> i found the j2re thing
[11:18] <osiris_22> but i cant find the reposatory
[11:18] <osiris_22> and i have no idea how to add it either.
[11:18] <kris_> osiris: check out the link....
[11:19] <kris_> osiris: you do not need to install it via synaptic.
[11:19] <osiris_22> im looking at the link
[11:19] <netmonk> does anyone know is there a way to erase cd-rw with nautilus?
[11:19] <kris_> you'll have java in no time...
[11:20] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: you can do it kris's way, too
[11:20] <Exasparilla> :)
[11:21] <mirak> what is an hoary ?
[11:21] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: To do it my way you would type "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and add that deb... line I posted above
[11:22] <hussein> sources? anyone?
[11:23] <mirak> what is an hoary ?
[11:23] <mirak> is that an animal ?
[11:23] <mirak> or something ?
[11:23] <Exasparilla> mirak: It's an adjective meaning "gray with age"
[11:25] <mirak> ok
[11:25] <mirak> because I read that on the de channel, but I don't see the point
 You guys realize how bad of a name Hoary is right?
 I just had to yell across my office: "Hey Paul, are you using Hoary?"
 And of course all the women in the office turn and scowl.
[11:26] <Exasparilla> whory (whorey) sounds the same, but means "like a prostitute"
[11:27] <Exasparilla> all prostitutes are whorey, but hopefully *yours* won't be hoary.
[11:27] <kris_> lol
[11:28] <Exasparilla> now just watch that get archived until someday my fiance reads it ;) whoops.
[11:30] <hect0r> hi, I've a problem with the installation : "Couldn't retreive libpam-modules" from "Debootstrap"
[11:30] <hect0r> do u know a solution
[11:30] <hect0r> ?
[11:33] <osiris_22> umm i installed lime wire
[11:33] <osiris_22> but i cant find it to start the program
[11:33] <osiris_22> i went throught he install and everything
[11:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hehe i just demod ubuntu on my lapotp to my mum and shes sold so im installing it on her computer next week :)
[11:35] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) she said she wanted to type somethign so i gave her my laptop and said "figure it out", only took her 30 seconds :)
[11:35] <osiris_22> it installed to /root/limewire
[11:35] <osiris_22> but when it type whereis limewire
[11:35] <osiris_22> all i get is limewire:
[11:35] <osiris_22> but i went throw the instalation
[11:35] <osiris_22> and shit
[11:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: if you goto /root/limewire
[11:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) read the README
[11:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) should tell you what to do
[11:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) might have to run it from there with ./limewire or something
[11:37] <osiris_22> i found it lmao
[11:37] <osiris_22> haha
[11:37] <osiris_22> its umm well haha funny
[11:39] <osiris_22> the exe
[11:39] <osiris_22> is a file with an ash on it
[11:39] <osiris_22> sh rather
[11:40] <osiris_22> and it only comes with a readme if you pay for it
[11:40] <osiris_22> and im running the free one
[11:40] <Exasparilla> is it working?
[11:41] <osiris_22> like wheni click on it
[11:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) has anyone noticed that stuff you copy into the paste buffer always disappears?
[11:41] <osiris_22> i get a msg that says
[11:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) fairly quickly
[11:41] <osiris_22> its an executable text file
[11:41] <osiris_22> and i have to click run
[11:41] <osiris_22> for it to run
[11:42] <osiris_22> i dont get it
[11:42] <osiris_22> but there is no
[11:42] <osiris_22> like link for it accept that sh link
[11:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: a .sh is a shell script file
[11:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) probably wraps the java crap or something
[11:43] <nifan> b'dia
[11:44] <osiris_22> so i shouldnt worry about that
[11:44] <osiris_22> just use it like that then?
[11:45] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) yes
[11:45] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) if it works, use it..
[11:51] <Arie2005> hi, i got a serious problem installing Ubuntu
[11:51] <Arie2005> can i ask a question about it in this chan?
[11:51] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Arie2005: sure
[11:51] <Arie2005> kewl
[11:52] <Arie2005> downloaded the warty-release-install-i386.iso
[11:52] <Arie2005> did a md5 checksum
[11:52] <Arie2005> everythings fine
[11:52] <Arie2005> installation goes well until the grub loader
[11:52] <Arie2005> it says: installing the grub loader and then freezes
[11:53] <Arie2005> is this a common problem?
[11:54] (trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: no..
[11:54] (trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: what was the prior OS on that system?
[11:54] <mojo_> BeOS
[11:55] (trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: if you have a DOS boot disk... try formating your MBR and try again...
[11:55] <Arie2005> I wanted a dualboot with winxp
[11:55] <Arie2005> I did a fdisk /mrb
[11:55] <Arie2005> uh fdisk /mbr
[11:55] <pauloslf> hi!!!
[11:55] <Arie2005> and try to reinstall
[11:55] <Arie2005> same problem
[11:56] (trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: I dunno then, sorry  :/
[11:56] <Talliesin> Hi, does installing Ubuntu need network connectivity, or is everything I'll need on the ISO?
[11:56] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: hey...
[11:56] <Arie2005> too b ad
[11:56] <pauloslf> i need help !!! i'm behind a proxy and i can't conect to internet!!! i can ping google but no net!!
[11:56] (trey`/#ubuntu) Talliesin: ISO is fine... will detect net config automagically anyways though  :/
[11:57] <Talliesin> \o/
[11:57] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: your apps are configured to use your proxy?
[11:57] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: your proxy permits traffic to the sites you want?
[11:57] <pauloslf> i define the proxy at ubuntu!
[11:58] <Talliesin> I'm sadly too used to having to let the machine contact updates.microsoft.com to finish an install.
[11:58] <pauloslf> yes proxy is free..
[11:58] <xukun> re
[11:58] (trey`/#ubuntu) Talliesin: you can do that with Ubuntu, or not... whatever you choose  :/
[11:58] <pauloslf> if i try open google at nautilus it open's the html code in text!!!! is this normal!!! firefox says conection refused!!!
[11:59] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: if you can ping google, means the system proxy is fine... now try setting it up in firefox, gaim, etc...
[11:59] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: Nautilus doesn't do anything with HTML, just thinks its a document  :/
[11:59] <pauloslf> yes!! i have a dual-boot i'm using xp now...and proxy is fine..
[11:59] <pauloslf> but...
[12:00] <skeff> does Ubuntu support Reiser4fs?
[12:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: what part of "now configure proxy for the apps" don't you understand?
[12:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) skeff: umm, yeah...
[12:00] <pauloslf> this part : where?? in firefox?
[12:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) pauloslf: he told you where, "firefox, gaim, etc..."
[12:01] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: yes... in all the internet apps you use...
[12:01] <skeff> trey`, umm..ok
[12:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: epiphany rocks because it uses the system settings, someone should patch firefox to use the gnome proxy, hmm i might do that this week...
[12:01] <xukun> why are the conlose fonts so big, vga=791 gives me sooooooo big fonts
[12:02] <xukun> in grub
[12:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) xukun: what resolution do you want it to me?
[12:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) xukun: *be
[12:02] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: should be some way to configure it for all of GNOME, and have it work for all Ubuntu apps... should be in Computer >> System Configuration >> Networking...
[12:02] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: would be handy  :)
[12:02] <pauloslf> you don't understand! firefox for linux is diferent and i can't find the place to change the proxy in fire fox
[12:03] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: yeh it should be settable in the networking tab with the profiles
[12:03] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: altho, it is settable in desktop preferences->network proxy
[12:03] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: epiphany is the only thing that i know that pays attention to that :)
[12:03] <xukun> Lathiat: 1280x1024 that should be vga=792 or 971 for 1024x768
[12:03] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: edit > preferences ... general > "connection settings"...
[12:04] <pauloslf> tanks!!! i'm going ubuntu!!!!
[12:04] <xukun> Lathiat: or not?
[12:04] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: hmm, that should be moved to the networking tool imo... but yeah, that should work for ALL applications that are installed by default imo...
[12:05] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: I have used Epiphany for all of like 2 days in my life... never felt right to me  :(
[12:06] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: i use it all the time i love it
[12:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) Then, when Phoenix was the name of Firefox... it didn't feel right to me either  :(
[12:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: offers nothing extra, and I could never get any plugins like java to work...
[12:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it offers being gnome extra
[12:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) flash and java both work fine for me
[12:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) actually i lie java isnt working in ubuntu but i havent installed it
[12:09] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: Firefox obey's GTK themes... and isn't as annoying  :/
[12:10] (trey`/#ubuntu) Plus, I can use Firefox on every platform I use... thats pretty handy if you ask me...
[12:11] (trey`/#ubuntu) Plus it offers more features, while still not feeling bloated...
[12:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: what extra features does it offer
[12:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) epiphany does everything i need
[12:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) its faster than ff too
[12:11] (trey`/#ubuntu) Epiphany = a lesson on how to take the GNOME HIG too far...
[12:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) on my 266 :)
[12:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: howso? its all dandy to mee..
[12:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) firefox is ugly, the icons are ugghh :)
[12:12] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: the toolbars take up too much room, there isn't enough customization... imo its slow, then I haven't used it in a while...
[12:13] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: Firefox is themeable... I am using an Industrial theme  :/
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: the toolbar in epiphany is like 2px higher than the FF one for me
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) yeh i knwo its themable
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) thats whats crap, you use up more ram with another widget toolkit etc
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) why i like the gtk of peiphany
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) firefox does, however, have more features, yes
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) but i dont use any of them
[12:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) epiphany uses gecko, everything works, has tabs, fairly quick, all i need, shrug
[12:14] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: widgets for the Linux browser uses GTK for widgets...
[12:14] (trey`/#ubuntu) I already said that... the only thing themeable are the icons...
[12:14] <Karnaugh> trey`: yes its themeable, when the mozilla site isnt borked
[12:14] <Karnaugh> and you can actualy download themes
[12:15] <Karnaugh> actualy let me try get some themes since I'm bored as hell
[12:15] (trey`/#ubuntu) Karakth: *shrug* I use LaSage's themes... they aren't on the Mozilla site to start with...
[12:15] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tr	hrmm, the project karn	haha yeh
[12:15] <Karnaugh> trey`: got a URL?
[12:15] <mojo_> gosh, FC3 already shipped GCC4
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) gah
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ^W and tab dont work well on lagged ssh at all
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) mojo_: haha not surprised
[12:16] <mojo_> hope Hoary will ship GCC4 too
[12:16] (trey`/#ubuntu) Karakth: search Ubuntu's Bugzilla for "default firefox theme"...   ;)
[12:16] <mojo_> Ican't find GCC4 in our respo
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: the progress bar on the tab titles is cute in FF
[12:16] <childe> Where can I find a FireFox 1.0 package for Ubuntu?
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hmm firefox is a little faster tytping
[12:16] (trey`/#ubuntu) mojo: more then likely will be 3.4... 4.0 isn't stable yet apparently...
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) epiphanys autocompleted entry box can be a bit slow sometimes
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) you might make me a convert yet trey :P
[12:17] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: in Hoary  :/
[12:17] <childe> The stock 0.93 version is a little old
[12:17] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: I don't wish to do that... use what you want, I am just stating why my choice is different...
[12:17] <childe> trey: I must upgrade to Hoary?
[12:17] <scoon> childe: if you don't want to upgrade to hoary, you can set up a local repository
[12:17] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: or go get their installer do-hicky... yes...
[12:18] <scoon> childe: i did that and then dl'd ff from debian
[12:18] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: hoary is quite stable though imo...
[12:18] <scoon> childe: take a look at -> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: oh i know, just thought id try it out a bit since i havent used it for a while :)
[12:19] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: do what scoon said, or just apt-get install apt-proxy, and read its docs...
[12:19] <childe> scoon: Where is Hoary's repository?
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: and i wasnt trying to make it a flamewar or convert, was just interested in discussing the differences from people experienced in using both
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: the different color address bar for secure sites is nice too
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hrmm
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it actually seems a little faster than epiphany now
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it didnt used to be
[12:19] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: same place... just change "warty" with "hoary"...
[12:19] <scoon> childe: i just went to debian's site and did a search for it.
[12:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: its always getting faster... they concentrate on very little else...
[12:20] <childe> trey: Just s/warty/hoary/ ?
[12:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: there really isn't much to do due to wanting a simple browser  :)
[12:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: yes, for /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: no going back though, so be warned  :)
[12:20] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) what i want to write
[12:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) is a GTK app that uinpacks a tarball
[12:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and attempts to build and install it
[12:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) using configure/autogen or
[12:21] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: I have been using hoary since they started populating the dir though, no probs really so far  :)
[12:21] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: look at XFce's installer for inspiration  :)
[12:21] <childe> OK. I'll try. Thank you.
[12:24] (trey`/#ubuntu) </random_thought>
[12:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: yeh? ill have to grab that, it does that i take it?
[12:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: haha yeh
[12:25] <childe> So there is X.Org in Hoary! I'm going to upgrade!
[12:25] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: yup... its pretty much what you describe as far as I understand  :)
[12:25] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: plus GNOME 2.9  :)
[12:25] <childe> But does X.org conflicts with XFree86?
[12:25] (trey`/#ubuntu) Well, most of it...
[12:26] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: kinda... not really... xserver-xorg conflicts with xserver-xfree86... but other packages are just upgraded to 6.8.1...
[12:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: ah cool
[12:27] <childe> OK. So when I upgrade to Hoary, XF86 will be automaticly replaced with X.Org, right?
[12:27] <daniels> except you want to upgrade it all, not just install xserver-xorg
[12:27] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: the Debian based xfree86 packages were basically xorg already though...
[12:27] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: yes...
[12:27] <daniels> trey`: not really
[12:27] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: ?
[12:28] <daniels> trey`: there were 300,000 lines of patches, but a *lot* more changed
[12:28] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: 300,000 patches disagree  ;)
[12:28] <childe> OK. I just love the drop shadow so much, heh heh
[12:28] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: I said "basically"... obviously it wasn't, else it wouldn't have said xfree86 still  ;)
[12:29] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: thats not set by default... the announcement (you can read @ the ubuntu forums) tells how to enable it though...
[12:29] <daniels> trey`: 300,000 lines of patches, not 300,000 patches
[12:29] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: thats what I meant  :)
[12:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: are they context diffs?
[12:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: haha
[12:30] <daniels> Lathiat: yeah
[12:30] <childe> OK. Thanks. But how do you call a person who use Ubuntu? Ubuntuer?
[12:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: so its not so big then :)
[12:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) childe: legend?
[12:31] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: I don't think it matters? never committed thought to it  :/
[12:31] <aarnem> Hi. I have a problem with gnome sound recorder. I can create sound file and play it but not save it. Any ideas?
[12:31] <childe> OK
[12:31] (trey`/#ubuntu) star*
[12:32] <Slike> hi, how do i change the behaviour of my laptop's hdd? now it always stops, restarts again for a while, stops again,..
[12:32] <cenerentola> trey: porno star...mmm..
[12:32] <cenerentola> may i be your manager?
[12:33] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: :o  what I need one of those for? :P
[12:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Slike: thats usual
[12:33] <Slike> does it shortens the life time of the hdd?
[12:33] <cenerentola> lathiat: ciao mate
[12:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) cenerentola: whatd i help you with? :>
[12:34] (trey`/#ubuntu) Slike: thats called "power management"... you can disable acpi if you want it to stop... not sure how once the system is running though  :/
[12:34] <osiris_22> ok i got limewire running
[12:35] <osiris_22> and tuns of files downloading
[12:35] <osiris_22> bearshare is nice
[12:35] <osiris_22> but
[12:35] <osiris_22> i didnt feel like fucken with that
[12:35] <cenerentola> slike: also sun-light, excessive low or high temperature, leaving a cd in the player while carrying it around... well also using the keyboard shortens the laptop's life
[12:35] <osiris_22> so im using limewire
[12:35] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I prefer OpenFT or OpenNap... Gnutella as a whole kinda sucks imo  :/
[12:35] <osiris_22> wich ive never had a problem finding anything on limewire
[12:36] (trey`/#ubuntu) bearshare and limewire are both Gnutella..
[12:36] <cenerentola> lathiat: well we talked about... dont know... maybe gdesklets... i just know you're blond
[12:36] <osiris_22> i havnt had a problem with gnutella
[12:36] <osiris_22> do they make a kazaa for linux?
[12:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) cenerentola: blond? lol
[12:36] <cenerentola> trey: emule?
[12:36] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you don't listen to underground rap I guess  :/
[12:37] <cenerentola> lathiat: something around golden-yellow...
[12:37] <cenerentola> lathiat: a light color..
[12:37] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) cenerentola: i know, doesnt matter :)
[12:37] <cenerentola> whatever it is... just plain light
[12:37] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) wtf
[12:37] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: eh... nah... usually giftoxic...
[12:37] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i cant spawn new terminals
[12:37] <cenerentola> that the H2O2... you used for you hairs..
[12:38] <cenerentola> ...hair*
[12:38] <cenerentola> sorry..
[12:38] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) its just scary cus i am actually blonde :)
[12:39] <cenerentola> ahhh... dont you realized i actually sniff your pants every day in the gym?
[12:40] <cenerentola> grammatically uncorrect... but you got the meaning
[12:40] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ok folks, what stops my machine from not being able to allocate any more ptys?
[12:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: heh... incorrect  ;)
[12:41] <hussein> does anyone know where I can get the sources to the Ubuntu version of Openoffice.org?
[12:41] (trey`/#ubuntu) hussein: apt-get source openoffice.org
[12:41] <cenerentola> ...that were..;) active part of the joke
[12:42] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: I knew that  ;)
[12:42] <hussein> trey`, cool, does that grab the one that was used to build the ubuntu or debian version of it?
[12:42] (trey`/#ubuntu) hussein: damnit dude... which you think?
[12:43] (trey`/#ubuntu) no it grabs the gentoo version  :/
[12:43] <hussein> uh...   I've just been using the tools longer  :)
[12:46] <daniels> trey`: if you know the answer and you want to answer it, just do so and be helpful, not abrasive
[12:46] <osiris_22> hey
[12:46] <osiris_22> my friend is having problems
[12:46] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: true... sorry man  :(
[12:47] <cenerentola> trey: i merely ;) meant <trey`> cenerentola: I knew that  ;)
[12:47] <osiris_22> getting his internet to work in linux wile hes behind a router the only way is if hes directly connected any reason for that?
[12:47] <cenerentola> daniels: even if you're a programmer... and you live at the bottom of the world... all my respect..;)
[12:48] <cenerentola> osiris_22: what do you mean with directly?
[12:48] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: modem connected to his nic, rather then router to nic...
[12:49] <osiris_22> like instead of connecting through hsi router he connects his cable modem directly to his pc
[12:49] <osiris_22> and im behind a router
[12:49] <osiris_22> and i have no problems at all
[12:49] <cenerentola> so the connection is ISP -- modem --- router --- pc ?
[12:49] <osiris_22> yes
[12:49] <cenerentola> trey: is it offensive to use aussies for australians:
[12:50] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: default gateway should be router... make sure dhclient is working correctly...
[12:50] <cenerentola> well is the souter setted correctly?
[12:51] <osiris_22> idk
[12:51] <osiris_22> im not at his house
[12:51] <osiris_22> im 1500 miles away lol
[12:51] <cenerentola> well you can connect to is router.. thou
[12:51] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: should have him come here...
[12:51] <osiris_22> he was hear earler
[12:51] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: would be more useful  :)
[12:51] <osiris_22> but hes kinda umm trashed at the moment
[12:51] <osiris_22> lol
[12:52] <osiris_22> hes one of them cough syrup drinkers *shudders*
[12:52] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: then I really don't think he should be playing with such things anyway  ;)
[12:52] <hussein> I installed Ubuntu on one of my lab computers 2 days ago, and it sorta had problems fetching things via apt-get during installation since I'm on a local 10.x.x.x network and the only way to download stuff is via a flaky http proxy
[12:53] <hussein> it's a nice gnome desktop, I really like it
[12:53] <osiris_22> im not a fan of gnome at all
[12:53] <osiris_22> im a kde fan
[12:53] <hussein> that's ok
[12:53] <osiris_22> but ubuntu dont seem to come with gnome
[12:53] <hussein> we all have our choices
[12:53] <osiris_22> so im having to live with it
[12:53] <osiris_22> lol
[12:53] <osiris_22> and gnome isnt bad
[12:53] <cenerentola> osiris: are you able to connect to friend-of-your's router?
[12:53] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to mount a samba share wif a password ?
[12:54] <osiris_22> lmao no no im not haha
[12:54] <Riddell> osiris_22: you can install KDE quite easily
[12:54] <liesbet> I'm having a problem shutting down my just installed Ubuntu system
[12:54] (trey`/#ubuntu) Riddell: how does that help him?
[12:54] <hussein> I have not tried Ubuntu at home yet, since I am reluctant to zap my current Slackware installation
[12:54] <daniels> Lathiat: (fwiw, the diff between our 4.3.0 and X.Org is 4.3 million lines)
[12:54] <cenerentola> liesbet: desktop, or laptop?
[12:54] <osiris_22> im a fan of SuSe
[12:54] <osiris_22> but
[12:55] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: haha nice :)
[12:55] <liesbet> cenerentola, it's a desktop
[12:55] <osiris_22> it wont work with my lcd screen
[12:55] <liesbet> it doesn't shut down
[12:55] <osiris_22> which blows donky nuts
[12:55] <cenerentola> have you got apm in /etc/modules.
[12:55] <hussein> I'd still like to grab some of those OO.o sources though, is there a way to download from the ubuntu apt source repository without using apt-get?
[12:55] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: daniels did you compute that just to show off to me? :)
[12:55] <liesbet> it shows power off and it stops
[12:55] <liesbet> let's see
[12:55] <liesbet> don't have it
[12:55] <Karakth> Someone called me?
[12:55] <liesbet> adding it
[12:56] <osiris_22> gnome seems easer to use than kde anyway
[12:56] <liesbet> cenerentola, thanks for the quick response :)
[12:56] <osiris_22> idk
[12:56] <hussein> Is it ok to do this, I mean... I hope I don't offend anyone by grabbing sources for another distro :)
[12:56] <osiris_22> i just like the way it has the 2 tabs
[12:56] <osiris_22> applications and computer
[12:56] <osiris_22> it makes it easer to find shit
[12:56] <cenerentola> liesbet: im sure it has been quick.. let's see if it was correct
[12:56] <liesbet> gonna try it out
[12:56] <liesbet> be right back
[12:56] <osiris_22> i need to find a program that iwll let me ssh onto the irc servers that im an admin of
[12:57] <osiris_22> blah
[12:57] <osiris_22> i used to use putty
[12:57] <Riddell> osiris_22: I do agree, the K menu needs a major tidy along those lines
[12:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: lol dude, you use ssh for that
[12:58] <huz> hello, i'm encountering a bug w/ gaim - it's 100% reproductable but i can't repoduce it when I launch it w/ strace. How can I provide the support with interesting materials to resolve it ?
[12:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: open a terminal and type ssh user@host
[12:58] <osiris_22> i just got putty of synaptic lmao
[12:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ah
[12:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bad :)
[12:59] <mirak> hi
[01:00] <liesbet> cenerentola, that did the trick :)
[01:00] <liesbet> thank you very much!
[01:00] <mirak> when I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.
[01:00] <osiris_22> yes putty will do just nice
[01:00] <liesbet> I must say Ubuntu is much more pleasant then Fedora up till now
[01:00] <mirak> help
[01:00] <liesbet> Ubuntu just works
[01:00] <liesbet> and it's the only distro that makes my dlink wlan work out of the box
[01:00] <osiris_22> also im needing some icons for like my msn links im maken and umm the incons they provide just suck
[01:00] <Shadowphax> heh
[01:00] <liesbet> gonna add an entry for that on the wiki
[01:01] <jomohke> Just curious - when the new version of ubuntu comes out, will I have to install it again from a CD - or can the package tool update it for me straight off the web?
[01:01] <hussein> is this where it is kept? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/
[01:02] <huz> jomohke : the package tool will do the upgrade smoothly for you
[01:02] <mirak> when I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.
[01:02] <mirak> anyone have this problem ?
[01:03] <hussein> because there seems to be like just this one big sources tarball...
[01:04] <scoon> when gdesklets get apt-gotten, where do all the desklets go ?
[01:05] <scoon> nevermind ; ]
[01:05] <aarnem> Can anybody help me with sound recorder problem?
[01:07] <huz> aarnem : do you have a proper /dev/cdrom linked to a readable device ?
[01:07] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to mount a samba share wif a password ?
[01:07] <aarnem> i think yes
[01:08] <aarnem> the problem is with saving file
[01:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) |progenic|: i think if you navigate to it in the network explorer it asks for a password
[01:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) |progenic|: if you use smbmount, -o username=x,password=y
[01:08] <Dreamcatcher> hello
[01:08] <|progenic|> but it's weird, i can't navigate my network thru network explorer
[01:09] <|progenic|> but if i use smbclient it works
[01:09] <Dreamcatcher> im wondering, i want to enable the root account cause sudo is anoying me
[01:09] <Dreamcatcher> is this possible?
[01:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Dreamcatcher: you can use sudo -s if you want a root shell
[01:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Dreamcatcher: rather than running commands like it
[01:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Dreamcatcher: however if you run sudo passwd root you can set a root password, but its not recommended
[01:09] <Dreamcatcher> k
[01:10] <hussein> well, thanks anyway...
[01:10] <hussein> I'll be going
[01:10] <osiris_22> grrr amsn crashed on me
[01:12] <Shadowphax> lo Gmail
[01:12] <Gmail> hi
[01:12] <Gmail> YAY the thunder stop
[01:15] <osiris_22> im having trouble keeping my clock right
[01:15] <osiris_22> lmao its 7:15 in the morning
[01:15] <volker> hi! i have two strange problems with my ubuntu installation - i hope someone can help.
[01:15] <osiris_22> and it says its 12 15 in the afternoon
[01:15] <volker> the first one: i have a second mouse pointer, which i cannot move ...
[01:15] <daniels> Lathiat: partially out of curiousity
[01:15] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: ah ok :)
[01:15] <scoon> osiris_22: that just shows you how good ubuntu really is.
[01:16] <osiris_22> whats that supposed to mean scoon?
[01:16] <scoon> osiris_22: it knows that something really good is going to happen then.  and can't wait to get there.
[01:16] <osiris_22> lol
[01:16] <osiris_22> right
[01:16] <osiris_22> lol
[01:16] <osiris_22> im gonna be sleeping at that time
[01:16] <osiris_22> so i mean
[01:16] <volker> its a laptop installation with two mouse drivers, but both of them move the "real" pointer.
[01:16] <scoon> osiris_22: see..... has ubuntu let you down yet ?!
[01:17] <osiris_22> i would put this on mylaptop but there is no way its seeing my wireless pcmcia card
[01:17] <osiris_22> well scoon
[01:17] <osiris_22> i cant get amsn to be stable
[01:17] <osiris_22> and gaim wotn let me send files with out crashing other than that its ok
[01:17] <scoon> osiris_22: gaim has always had a problem sending files.  i have been using it for years.
[01:18] <Gmail> my bios time on my old compter each time i'll reboot wound reset to 13 March 1997 (the day it was bought) because it didn't have a cmos battrey
[01:18] <scoon> osiris_22: what kind of card is it ?
[01:18] <osiris_22> microsoft lmao
[01:18] <osiris_22> thats why
[01:18] <osiris_22> lol
[01:18] <Gmail> osiris_22: have you checked that it isn't a hardware problem
[01:18] <Gmail> WTF
[01:18] <osiris_22> check that what isnt a hardware problem
[01:19] <Gmail> is it plug in via usb?
[01:19] <osiris_22> is what
[01:19] <osiris_22> its a pcmcia card
[01:19] <Gmail> hu
[01:19] <volker> i have a second mouse pointer, which i cannot move ...
[01:19] <volker> its a laptop installation with two mouse drivers, but both of them move the "real" pointer.
[01:19] <volker> can anyone help?
[01:19] <Gmail> you have a mouse that is a pcmcia card
[01:20] <osiris_22> i think you got the wrong fellow gmail
[01:20] <osiris_22> lol
[01:20] <Gmail> ohhh
[01:20] <Gmail> lol
[01:20] <scoon> hello, hello.
[01:20] <volker> :-)
[01:20] <Gmail> i saw that
[01:20] <osiris_22> i think you wanna talk to volker
[01:20] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) volker: Are you expecting there to be two different mouse pointers on the screen?
[01:20] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) volker: because that doesnt happen..., all mice inputs move the one and only pointer
[01:20] <volker> no, it pops up when gnome starts, and i can't move it ...
[01:21] <volker> it's the old standard x pointer, and a bit anoying
[01:22] (mjg59/#ubuntu) volker: Yeah, you need to disable the hardware cursor
[01:23] (mjg59/#ubuntu) osiris_22: Microsoft wireless cards should be supported fine
[01:23] <volker> hm, how do i do that?
[01:24] (mjg59/#ubuntu) volker: You need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:24] <volker> i thought of that :-)
[01:24] (mjg59/#ubuntu) And in the device section, add Option SWCursor True
[01:24] <volker> ok, i'll try this one
[01:24] <cenerentola> im leaving ciao
[01:25] <alkirk> hello
[01:30] <alkirk> mjg59?
[01:31] (mjg59/#ubuntu) alexissoft: ?
[01:31] (mjg59/#ubuntu) Uh
[01:31] (mjg59/#ubuntu) alkirk: ?
[01:31] <alkirk> sorry, new here
[01:32] <alkirk> I saw where you mentioned about editing the  /etc/X11/XF86Config file
[01:32] (mjg59/#ubuntu) Ah
[01:33] <alkirk> I had some problems getting X to work but managed to get it working using the frambuffer
[01:33] <alkirk> framebuffer (sorry typo)
[01:34] <alkirk> Now I have an odd behavior happening
[01:34] (mjg59/#ubuntu) alkirk: You should probably file a bug
[01:34] <unikum> can somebody help me to ghet gdesklets running? i can get it to work. shouldnt the deamon show up in processlist?
[01:34] (mjg59/#ubuntu) You shouldn't need to do that - it should work automatically
[01:36] <alkirk> I installed the nvidia drivers and thay are functioning but only for GDM.  When GDM logs me into GNOME it reverts to the framebuffer
[01:37] <volker> re
[01:38] <volker> hm, the swcursor didn't help.
[01:38] <scoon> unikum: ps aux | grep deskl
[01:38] <volker> i noticed that the second cursor apears when gnome-session is started.
[01:38] <scoon> unikum: that should show you something.  if not then gdesklets is not running.
[01:39] <mirak> when I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.
[01:39] <volker> so it's probably not an x problem but something with gnome ...
[01:39] <mirak> wich module is he talking about ?
[01:40] <alkirk> have I configured something wrong?
[01:41] (marcus|/#ubuntu) Is there a way to install ubuntu over a network? I can boot from my laptops external CD but linux has no drivers for it.
[01:41] <atropus> there is a recovery menu item in the grub menu, and when I select it after boot process I become root without password. Is it correct?
[01:42] <PotajiTo> wenas
[01:46] <PotajiTo> hi
[01:46] <atropus> hello
[01:46] <PotajiTo> do you know why synpatic exits when I choose a package? I'm using hoary, with xorg
[01:46] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) PotajiTo: yeh its a bug, i hink theres something in the FAQ about that
[01:47] <PotajiTo> ok thanks
[01:47] <PotajiTo> i will see the faq
[01:48] <volker> atropus: this is ok - it boots with the "single" parameter, which should give you the root console
[01:49] <PotajiTo> sorry Lathiat but could you give me a link? I can't find it via the search tool
[01:50] <skeff> uhm, why is XChat interface in Swedish when I chose Norwegian as my language?
[01:51] <PotajiTo> aren't them the same skeff LOL joke
[01:53] <skeff> more burning question though: How am I supposed to do anything as root when I don't know any root password?
[01:54] <skeff> like for instance changing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to get more colors which for some reason is set low
[01:54] <atropus> volker: but anyone can use root console when they choose recovery mode
[01:55] (mjg59/#ubuntu) atropus: If anyone can get to the grub console, they can change the kernel paramaters to say init=/bin/bash
[01:55] (mjg59/#ubuntu) Which would give them root anyway
[01:55] <PotajiTo> hum skeff use sudo
[01:55] <skeff> PotajiTo, I tried 'sudo vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' ..didn't do anuthing
[01:56] <guptan> how can I open a picture in nautilus itself rather than opening it in a different application
[01:56] (rjek/#ubuntu) It didn't do anything?  At all?  Not even ask you for your password?
[01:56] <volker> atropus: anyone with physical access to your computer will be able to get into the system - the only way to prevent this is using a bios password and password protect your grub
[01:56] <PotajiTo> it doesn't work fot me with that way
[01:56] (rjek/#ubuntu) volker: That doesn't prevent it.
[01:56] <PotajiTo> i have to cd to the directory, and then do sudo vim XF86Config-4'
[01:57] (rjek/#ubuntu) Most BIOSes have a backdoor password, or if that fails, you just short the battery.
[01:57] (rjek/#ubuntu) And then you just use GRUB on a floppy/CD/USB device/another hard disc.
[01:57] (rjek/#ubuntu) All bets are off if somebody's got physical access.
[01:58] <skeff> rjek, please address me when talking to me.  It didn't do anything no, I wasn't asked to set a root password so .
[01:58] <stuNNed> does loading alsa modules rely on hal?
[01:59] <stuNNed> or soundcard detection, rather
[01:59] <guptan> how can I open a picture in nautilus itself rather than opening it in a different application
[02:00] <skeff> uhm, is root password actually the same password I set when I created a user??
[02:00] <greg__> afair nautilus is not a picture viewer
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) You don't set a root password.
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) root doesn't have a password in Ubuntu.
[02:01] <guptan> greg__, I know its a file manager, but it works in gnome 2.6 on my debian
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) Sorry.
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) skeff: You don't set a root password.
[02:01] <skeff> rjek, when I want to su root, I just use the password I set for my user..
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) skeff: root doesn't have a password under ubuntu.
[02:01] <volker> i wonder why this works - /etc/inittab is set to use /sbin/sulogin in single user mode, which should ask for the root pw
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) skeff: Use sudo.  Do "sudo su -" and it'll then ask for a password.  use your password.
[02:02] (rjek/#ubuntu) (From the user that you created during install, 'cause that's the only use that's automatically given sudo access.)
[02:02] <skeff> rjek, ok.. it's an unusual experience for me :)  I guess this resembles the way Mac OS X does it.
[02:03] (rjek/#ubuntu) I think Mac OS X resembles the way GNU/Linux does it more. :)
[02:03] <alkirk> Tried somthing still didn't work
[02:03] <skeff> rjek, I mean that you have one password to change system-wide settings.
[02:04] (rjek/#ubuntu) That's not really true.
[02:05] (rjek/#ubuntu) I mean, you could give root a password, and remove your sudo abilities.  Or you could give more users sudo abilities.
[02:06] <volker> ok, sulogin seems to be different on ubuntu - the debian version asks for a password, ubuntu just logs you in
[02:06] <volker> (if you are the init process or root :-)
[02:07] <reuben> hi
[02:07] <reuben> what system requirements does warty on PPC have?'
[02:09] <mirak> when I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.
[02:09] <mirak> wich module is he talking about ?
[02:09] <greg__> ide-cd?
[02:10] (rjek/#ubuntu) reuben: I'd guess a NewWorld PowerMac for a start.
[02:10] (rjek/#ubuntu) reuben: And them some RAM and some disc.
[02:10] (rjek/#ubuntu) I imagine it'll run just fine inside 256MB and 1GB.
[02:11] <volker> cu
[02:13] <skeff> Seems applications not having Norwegian locale support chooses some other Scandinavian language.. can I change this default behaviour into reverting to English?
[02:15] <tola> Hi, I'm having trouble mounting a FAT32 partition in Ubunu. What's strange is that the line in fstab is the same as my Debian Configuration but it won't work in Ubuntu. I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, or too many mounted file systems"
[02:16] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: sudo modprobe vfat (just a wild guess)
[02:16] <tola> (I should probably mention that the hdb disk wasn't connected during installation)
[02:16] <tola> sjoerd: na, that didn't help :(
[02:17] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tola: whats the fstab line you have?
[02:17] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tola: also might wanna check /dev/hdb1 is actually there
[02:17] <skeff> Why am I unable to load .mp3 files, but .ogg works fine, in Rhythmbox?
[02:17] <tola> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       vfat    sw,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0    0
[02:18] <tola> if I do less -f /dev/hdb1 it returns output
[02:18] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: you should mount int under /media, but that shouldn't matter for the error
[02:19] <tola> sjoerd: "int"?
[02:19] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: in :)
[02:19] <tola> sjoerd: oh right, why should it be under /media?
[02:20] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: new FHS stuff
[02:20] <tola> sjoerd: scary :P
[02:20] <mindtrap> hi
[02:20] <tola> is there a GUI front end to fstab anywhere?
[02:20] <stuNNed> damn, just compiled my own kernel due to modem support now sound can't be detected
[02:21] <Karnaugh> tola: uh.. if you're happy enough to mess with fstab, you shouldnt need a gui for it
[02:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: did you base your kernel config off ubuntus default one?
[02:21] <stuNNed> Lathiat, yes
[02:21] <tola> Karnaugh: nah, just wondered
[02:21] <mindtrap> has anyone experienced problems after an update? by initrd seems to be gone away. so no booting anymore. :(
[02:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: odd then
[02:21] <stuNNed> Lathiat, snd_intel8x0 get's loaded but with 0, undetected
[02:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: is it a different kernel version?
[02:22] <stuNNed> Lathiat, based it off ubuntu's .config then compiled into kernel, not modules piix and other ide stuff due to hsf modem
[02:22] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) right
[02:22] <mindtrap> btw. this happend after an fresh install
[02:22] <stuNNed> Lathiat, same kernel verison 2.6.8
[02:22] <stuNNed> Lathiat, think it has something to do with hal
[02:22] <baschd> hi
[02:23] <stuNNed> Lathiat, should i try and compile alsa-driver from source?
[02:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: so you did cp /boot/config-`uname -r`  .config // make oldconfig // make menuconfig and ONLY changed the hsf driver to compile ?
[02:23] <stuNNed> Lathiat, only part didn't do is make oldconfig but the .config from /boot was there
[02:24] <mirak> greg__: what ?
[02:24] <stuNNed> Lathiat, did i need to make oldconfig?
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: umm probably should have worked
[02:24] <stuNNed> Lathiat, thought .config being there from /boot would work didn't need to do that
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: might help tho
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hrm
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) odd
[02:24] <stuNNed> Lathiat, hal complains upon boot some things disabled
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) no idea sorry
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: yeh probably cus you didnt use the ubuntu kernel patches
[02:24] <greg__> mirak:: ??
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i think theyve got some wack stuff in there
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i have the same thing
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) doesnt break my sound tho
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i dont use alsa either tho
[02:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i use oss, the alsa driver for my sound card is fscked
[02:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) sorry cant help more..
[02:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) could try getting the proper ubuntu kernel source
[02:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) patching and building off that
[02:25] <stuNNed> Lathiat, no probs, how did you get dsp's generated from oss kernel module?
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: what do you mean exactly?
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: as in /dev/dsp or?
[02:26] <stuNNed> yes
[02:26] <stuNNed>  /dev/dsp's
[02:26] <stuNNed> or /dev/dsp
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) OSS modules make a /dev/dsp by default
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) alsa only makes thenm with the compatability layer
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) . /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer are OSS things
[02:26] <stuNNed> Lathiat, ah ok, i'll uninstall alsa and try oss thanks, do you just have your oss driver load at boot?
[02:27] <mindtrap> has anyone an idea how to fix an missing initrd image?
[02:27] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: yeh and oh using ALSA is good if it works
[02:27] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: OSS is deprecated
[02:27] <baschd> hi...
[02:27] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: just my alsa driver (yamaha OPL3SA2) doesnt recognise my card
[02:27] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and i tried to hack it up, didn't get too far
[02:27] <baschd> I've a problem compiling a atmel wlan kernel module...
[02:28] <stuNNed> Lathiat, yes...i'll try oss just the same though, doesn't really matter, it's a laptop, would be nice to have sound though
[02:28] <stuNNed> anyways off to work, bbl
[02:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: cya :_)
[02:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: the other thing you could try is only compiling the module fo ryour modem against the ubuntu kernel source
[02:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: and using the ubuntu kernel
[02:29] <baschd> I installed the kernel headers and linked them to /usr/src/linux but if I want to compile the atmel wlan drivers (there are two of them...I tested both) make returns an error missing /lib/modules/kernel-2.6..../build
[02:29] <baschd> what can I do?
[02:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: you can probably specify where your kernel source is with the atmel builder
[02:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) either edit the Makefile or pass a paramater or something
[02:30] <baschd> Lathiat well...that's not the fault of the kernel source...
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: umm, correct....
[02:31] <baschd> Lathiat If I remove /usr/src/linux make returs "There's no linux source"
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) leave that there as well
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) but you probably have to set somethign else
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i mean you can also symlink the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build directory to /usr/src/linux
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) possibly /usr/src/linux/include
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) might work then
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) not sure what specifics that build wants
[02:32] <baschd> Lathiat this error seems to be caused because something in /lib/modules/2.6.../build is missing
[02:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: yeh so symlink that like i said
[02:32] <baschd> Lathiat well I'll try that :)
[02:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: its just a smlink to either the linux source or the source/include, i forget which sorry
[02:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im off
[02:33] <stuNNed> Lathiat, yes, but ubuntu's default kernel config loads piix as modules and such other ide support, which causes the hsf modem driver to die, linuxant recommended building that stuff into kernel so that's what i did, using ubuntu's kernel sources
[02:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: ah ok
[02:33] <stuNNed> Lathiat, i'll try oss or see what else i can do, hal complains at boot guess missing patches
[02:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: they probably wont break alsa tho
[02:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: *not having those patches)
[02:34] <baschd> Lathiat merci...that worked!!! :)
[02:34] <swat_> hi
[02:34] <swat_> i was under the impression that the intel centrino wireless stuff had now been integrated into ubuntu
[02:35] <daniels> it has
[02:35] <swat_> ah my bad
[02:35] <swat_> it is integrated - but it's dieing :(
[02:35] <swat_> ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection
[02:35] <swat_> ipw2200: Error allocating IRQ 7
[02:35] <swat_> ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:03.0 failed with error -16
[02:36] <swat_> ^^^ likee so
[02:36] <swat_> anyone have any ideas?
[02:39] <UnIData> hi, a software to admin the services (start, stop), thx.
[02:39] <scoon> anyone here using an HP 2510 printer/scanner ?
[02:41] <mirak> damn
[02:41] <mirak> why isn't CDFS module a default in ubuntu ?
[02:41] <skeff> uhm, I read the wiki and it mentioned something like installing totem-xine to get support for mp3 for instance..where do I find this totem-xine package?
[02:41] <mirak> why do we need to build it ?
[02:43] <skeff> How do I format my root partition for Reiser4 when installing Ubuntu?
[02:43] <ceu> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[02:43] <ceu> I can't eject the cd
[02:43] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: you can't, reiser4 support is not available yet.
[02:43] <ceu> I have to eject it as root
[02:43] <ceu> (rights of /dev/hdc are ok)
[02:43] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: you can only eject it as the person who mounted it in the first place
[02:44] <skeff> Treenaks, crap, someone here told me otherwise
[02:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: unless you use pmount..
[02:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: oh wait other problem
[02:44] <ceu> Treenaks: cdrom is mounted automatically when I insert in my cd-rom reader
[02:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: then you shuold be able to unmount it as well.. using the GUI
[02:45] <ceu> Treenaks: I obtain that error using the GUI too
[02:45] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: that's strange. did you install some other automounting stuff, instead of the default hal + pmount?
[02:46] <ceu> no, but I've recompiled ubuntu kernel. I've disabled ACPI because mi laptop has only APM
[02:47] <tola> if anyone is interested... "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       vfat    sw,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0    0" should be "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       vfat    rw,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0    0" (rw not sw). I've no idea why that line works in Debian...
[02:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: why not just pass 'acpi=off' to the kernel (using grub)
[02:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: also, if acpi isn't available, that is detected and acpi is not used
[02:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: just add 'apm' to /etc/modules
[02:47] <ceu> at boot HAL write a message, something like "your kernel doesn't support some features"
[02:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: that's the problem then
[02:48] <ceu> mmm, ubuntu stock kernel lacks some APM stuff
[02:48] <trey`> daniels: you around?
[02:48] <daniels> sup
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: no, the ubuntu stock kernel has APM as a module
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: and you have to load it by hand
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: (or using /etc/modules)
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: because it's not auto-detected yet
[02:49] <ceu> # CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: file a bug
[02:49] <ceu> (in /boot/config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686)
[02:49] <trey`> daniels: hey, I get a flickering effect with the new Xorg packages when something on screen in scrolled/changes in some way... is this a known bug, or related to settings in some way?
[02:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: drive?
[02:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) +r?
[02:50] <ceu> Treenaks: ok
[02:50] <trey`> Treenaks: I don't follow?
[02:51] <stuNNed> Treenaks, does soundcard detection rely on hal?
[02:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: which drivre do you use?
[02:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: no, it's done by hotplug
[02:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: so it relies on the kernel supporting your sound card
[02:51] <trey`> Treenaks: driver? trident...
[02:52] <stuNNed> Treenaks, ok, just recompiled an ubuntu sources kernel due to needing to compile piix and related into the kernel not as module now soundcard isn't detected by alsa or hotplug ?
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: because I have the latest xorg and nothing is flickering during scrolling
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: so it must be a driver issue
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: why do you need those in the kernel instead of as module?
[02:52] <trey`> Treenaks: that would make more sense I suppose...
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: strange, did you use the ubuntu config as a base?
[02:53] <kris_> hi all!
[02:53] <trey`> Kinda sucks though... and never saw it with xfree  :/
[02:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: xfree has other problems with trident (Xv anyone?)
[02:53] <stuNNed> Treenaks, linuxant drivers tech support suggested it, problem with i/o, the disk drive, and linuxant nonfree driver
[02:53] <stuNNed> Treenaks, yes, used ubuntu config as base
[02:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: linuxant.. there you have your probleme.
[02:53] <trey`> Treenaks: this is more noticeable/annoying to me though  :(
[02:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) -s/
[02:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) -e
[02:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: try playing with the different Xaa-disable options
[02:54] <trey`> Treenaks: aight... thanks  :)
[02:54] <stuNNed> Treenaks, yes but i don't have any other option to get the modem working
[02:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: I don't know what they're called exactly, but it might let you track down the bug
[02:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: get a non-winmodem.. that's the best solution..
[02:55] <stuNNed> Treenaks, it's build into the laptop, oh well, thanks anyways
[02:55] <stuNNed> build/built
[02:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I have a PCtel HSP micromodem :) not supported in any way.. just taking op space in my laptop ;)
[02:56] <stuNNed> Treenaks, :-|
[02:56] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I have wireless and DSL anyway..
[02:56] <kris_> what is the best way to play movies in ubuntu (all codecs)? is it by installing mplayer (as described in a sticky forum post) or is it better to play movies with totem- by installing totem-xine?
[03:00] <cenerentola> hi ya there
[03:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kris_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <robertj> hey all, what's the proper way to burn an iso with cdrecord when -scanbus doesn't turn up any entries?
[03:01] <cenerentola> treenaks: could you plz tell me where i can find hoary iso?
[03:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) robertj: what's your CD-writer device?
[03:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) cenerentola: I don't know
[03:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) robertj: is it IDE?
[03:01] <robertj> yah
[03:01] <robertj> otherwise scanbus would show it
[03:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) robertj: then just use dev=/dev/hdc or whatever it is (check with dmesg)
[03:02] <robertj> thanks
[03:05] <will> mjr: u there?
[03:05] <will> anyone know anything on screen corruption running in 16bit colour?
[03:06] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: that depends, which driver are you using
[03:06] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: and warty or hoary?
[03:06] <will> Treenaks: hoary with an intel 810
[03:06] <will> (built in gfx)
[03:07] <robertj> Treenaks: thanks
[03:07] <will> works fine in 24bit mode, but not 16, which i need for hardware acceleration
[03:07] <robertj> treenaks: I also used that value in xcdroast before figuring out that I had no clue how to use it
[03:07] <robertj> treenaks: that is one horribe UI ;)
[03:07] <skeff> guys.. I tried installing package 'gstreamer-mad' to get support for MP3 in my Rhythmbox, but to no avail.. what do I need to do?
[03:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: read the instructions again
[03:08] <will> skeff: use xmms or totem-xine
[03:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: also, you might need to restart rhythmbox
[03:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: no, rhythmbox works fine
[03:08] <carlos> skeff: gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:09] <skeff> carlos, ah ok..0.6 is in the repository.. how do I get 0.8 then?
[03:09] <carlos> skeff: do you have "universe" in your sources.list?
[03:09] <will> Treenaks: any idea on the screen corruption?
[03:10] <kris_> has anybody successfuly "cloned" a dvd in linux? -how? -I really do not want to use Windows for that (am currently using DVD shrink).
[03:10] <skeff> carlos, yes, I wouldn't see gstreamer-mad at all if I didn't.
[03:11] <carlos> skeff: then, just apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:11] <robertj> doh!
[03:11] <robertj> I just wrote a symlink to disk ;)
[03:11] <skeff> carlos, what the hell is the point of Synaptic if I can't choose what packages I actually want to install?
[03:11] <carlos> skeff: if you are using synaptic
[03:11] <carlos> just search for it
[03:12] <tola> does anyone have a working dvb-t card in Ubuntu? I'd quite like to get my Hauppauge Nova-T working.
[03:12] <carlos> if it's available from apt-get it should be available from synaptic
[03:12] <robertj> where does the right click to burn iso source code live
[03:12] <skeff> oh god, what quirky system
[03:12] <robertj> is it a nautilus plugin or coded in?
[03:12] <carlos> robertj: nautilus-cd-burner
[03:12] <carlos> a kind of plugin
[03:19] <skeff> is it possible to manage a playlist with Rhythmbox?
[03:19] <robertj> hrmm, cd drive is failing with timeouts after hoary upgrade
[03:20] <kris_> has anybody successfuly "cloned" a dvd in linux? -how? -I really do not want to use Windows for that, but it's so easy using DVD shrink...
[03:20] <kris_> anybody?
[03:20] <stonegu1> Anyone know how to open ports 6881-9 for azureus?
[03:21] <will> stonegul: azureus worked for me with no problems
[03:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stonegu1: no ports are closed on ubuntu, thats probably somethign to do with your router and we cant help you there, read your router/modem manual
[03:22] <will> does anyone know about screen corruption here?
[03:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: what driver are you using?
[03:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: what kind of card
[03:22] <stonegu1> will, I'm getting NAT error on port 6881. I have hardware firewall, but ports are open there, and evrything ok under Windows.
[03:22] <will> intel 810 built in graphics
[03:22] <mirak> hi
[03:23] <mirak> with wich software can I encode wav files to ogg or mp3 or flac ?
[03:23] <will> stonegul: check your firewall/router config...it must be something there 99.9% sure
[03:25] <will> Treenaks: is it a shared memory problem?
[03:26] <skeff> can I get amarok working in Ubuntu=
[03:26] <mirak> skeff: yes
[03:26] <mirak> install it
[03:26] <mirak> and run amarokapp
[03:26] <mirak> first
[03:26] <mirak> then amarok
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: it could be.. could be a lot of different things
[03:26] <mirak> with wich software can I encode wav files to ogg or mp3 or flac ?
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: which version are you using? warty or hoary?
[03:27] <stonegu1> will - I think blockage is in ubuntu configuration, but I can't find anything relating to firewall component. Any clues?
[03:27] (rjek/#ubuntu) mirak: ogg123, lame, and flac, respectively.
[03:27] <skeff> mirak, the what? How do _install_ it then? I don't see an amarok package in the Ubuntu repository, main nor universe
[03:27] <mirak> skeff: un multiverse
[03:27] <mirak> in
[03:28] <mirak> you should know that kde is in multiverse
[03:28] (rjek/#ubuntu) Not ogg123.  Duh.  I'm not awake yet.
[03:28] (rjek/#ubuntu) oggenc.
[03:28] <BWF89> whats this chat for
[03:28] (rjek/#ubuntu) Chatting about Ubuntu.
[03:28] <BWF89> i'm useing live CD
[03:28] <BWF89> how to I get AIM
[03:29] <will> Treenaks: problem is, i only have a S3 card, maybe i should try that
[03:29] (rjek/#ubuntu) Have you tried gaim?
[03:29] (rjek/#ubuntu) I'm not familier with the Live CD.
[03:29] <BWF89> ok
[03:29] <tola> I've noticed that dvb_core is loaded by default - not sure what that is
[03:29] <BWF89> I thought Gaim was it's own messenger
[03:29] (rjek/#ubuntu) I'd imagine gaim is your best bet, though.
[03:29] <BWF89> ill try that
[03:29] <will> stonegul: have u installed a firewall of anytype in Ubuntu? ie firestarter?
[03:29] (rjek/#ubuntu) BWF89: Gaim's a metamessenger.  It does alsorts of protocols.  Even IRC.
[03:30] <BWF89> just like Kopeka on SLAX
[03:30] <cardador> BWF89: isnt it Kopete?
[03:31] <BWF89> no this is GAIM
[03:31] <BWF89> last week I was useing SLAX live cd and it had Kopeka
[03:31] <cardador> never heard of Kopeka
[03:31] <mike998> kopete?
[03:31] <BWF89> ok, it's working
[03:32] <stonegu1> will - no, my addins are Java 1.5 (from wiki instructions) and azureus. Since I have hdw router/fwall, I don't need anything for sfw/
[03:33] <will> humm, and the azureus config, on the port test page could not open its port?
[03:33] <skeff> mirak, get bent, there is no amarok in universe, and there is no multiverse!
[03:33] <stonegu1> will - Exactly! I can d/l, but I want to be a nice guy and share :)
[03:34] <mirak> skeff: lol, go hung yourself
[03:34] <mirak> skeff: use hoary
[03:34] <will> stonegul: of course otherwise you get booted of the site!!!, umm let me think a bit
[03:35] <skeff> mirak, I think perhaps coming from gentoo and not debian leaves me a bit disabled on Ubuntu..
[03:35] <Karnaugh> skeff: it gives you the chance to use a real distro though
[03:35] <mirak> skeff: well debian is clearer on this
[03:40] <will> stonegul: go to www.grc.com and try the ShieldsUP!! test, select custom ports and scan the azureus ones. That should give you an idea of their actuall status
[03:40] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, now I am, but don't know anything about the corruption thing
[03:41] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, if it's possible, I'd try if Hoary's X.org server fixes that
[03:42] <will> mjr: hi!
[03:43] <will> mjr: last night i tried the 16bit thing, but screen corruption at the top, then the screen seem to change res, then it froze up completely. had to drop to recovery and re-edit xorg.conf
[03:43] <MaFioZoX> hi
[03:43] (mjr/#ubuntu) oh yeah, you _were_ using x.org already
[03:43] <MaFioZoX> who speak french???
[03:44] <deFrysk> the french ?
[03:44] <MaFioZoX> I have a prob with my linux and im noob on it I need help
[03:44] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, well, try the dri mailing lists then. Oh, and did you muck up with the memory settings that I blathered about? Things like that could happen if it was told to use more memory than is actually available
[03:45] <will> oh, did not look at that, and i thought, this seems like an overlap in memory
[03:45] <MaFioZoX> lol
[03:46] <will> mjr: so if i cant configure the gfx memeory in BIOS, where would it be possible?
[03:46] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) is it possible to install ubuntu on an encrypted FS (even root?)
[03:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, as I said, there might've been some kernel parameters or something, but you'll have to ask the dri people for spesifics
[03:47] <will> mjr: i dont even know how much memory its using...maybe winbloze will tell me
[03:47] <potato> Treenaks, theoretically it's possible
[03:47] <potato> Treenaks, you might need some initrd to boot it, though
[03:47] <|m0rph|> hy ppl, i'm having a problem here and need help
[03:47] <will> mjr: okay will get on to that
[03:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: well, ubuntu works with initrds anyway.. so it shuold be possible to "patch it in"
[03:48] <potato> it is possible
[03:48] <potato> but you'll have to do some reading
[03:48] <potato> the initrd howto is pretty good
[03:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://perso.crans.org/~segaud/dm-crypt-initrd-HOWTO.html :)
[03:50] <|m0rph|> i've updated to firefox 1.0 and since then my X doest start, i need to kill a bunch of processes then startx
[03:50] <potato> Treenaks, so why do you ask then if you've got the right howto ?
[03:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: I just googled it up
[03:50] <potato> you prolly need the appropriate crypto support compiled into your kernel
[03:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: but maybe there'd be an easier integrated ay to do it
[03:51] <potato> I don't really see the point of putting your whole root into an encrypted file system
[03:51] <MaFioZoX> hey I need help...
[03:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: well, my /home then..
[03:51] <potato> easier to just put your data into some crpyted loop for or such
[03:52] <potato> and mount it in your /home/username if you must
[03:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: well, it's my laptop, so I have to mount it if I want to log in...
[03:53] <ogra> jdub, Kamion, or anybody else from the team ?
[03:54] <|m0rph|> i've updated to firefox 1.0 and since then my X doest start, i need to kill a bunch of processes then startx
[03:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: did you update the package?
[03:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: or did you install some other version?
[03:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: the only way to upgrade to 1.0 reliably is by using the package in hoary -- if you don't want hoary, stick with 0.9.3
[03:56] <|m0rph|> i've updated
[03:56] <|m0rph|> used the hoary package
[03:57] <|m0rph|> but now i cant boot X without killing all processes
[03:57] <|m0rph|> is says " an X window is already running do you wish do try another screen server .... "
[03:58] <will> ogra: you part of the ubuntu development?
[03:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: use all of hoary or all of warty, not a mi9x
[03:58] <ogra> will: nope....
[03:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: and don't try to run 2 Xs at the same time..
[03:58] <potato> you can run 2 Xs
[03:58] <stonegu1> Will: OK. Says the ports are stealthed. A win98 bos on my lan says the same thing, so it must be the router.
[03:58] <potato> but you have to tell it to use another display
[03:58] <potato> and another user
[03:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: yes, but not by default
[03:59] <ogra> will: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates  :)
[03:59] <|m0rph|> i've only updated do firefox
[03:59] <|m0rph|> and then that happened
[03:59] <|m0rph|> i'm not starting 2 x's
[04:01] <will> stonegul: sounds right. Ubuntu never seems to block any ports...good luck with the router!
[04:06] <steini> hi out there...
[04:06] <Talliesin> hi in here...
[04:06] <steini> which packages must be installed to play DVD with totem
[04:06] <steini> I installed totem-xine already...
[04:06] <ogra> steini: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:07] <ogra> hi btw.....
[04:08] <steini> ogra, yes I know I've to instal that libdvdcss but I can't find it with apt-get :)
[04:08] <eduncan> whats the best way to update the kernel in Ubuntu?
[04:09] <ogra> steini: enabled universe and the marillat repository as described on the page ?
[04:09] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) steini: read the page better.
[04:10] <ogra> eduncan: synaptic ?
[04:10] <steini> ogra, I've already added multiverse and universe
[04:10] <ogra> steini: and marillat ?
[04:10] <steini> ogra, well I see...I forgot that ;)
[04:10] <kensai> steini, you need marillat
[04:10] <steini> thankyou :9
[04:11] <steini> perhaps I should really read more carefully *g
[04:11] <kensai> steini, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:11] <ogra> steini: kein problem ;)
[04:12] <BWF89> hey everyone im back
[04:13] <BWF89> could someone help me out with this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5605
[04:13] <BWF89> is anone there?
[04:14] <lemsx1> BWF89, you are kidding right?
[04:14] <BWF89> im a linux newv
[04:14] <lemsx1> BWF89, you are installing stuff to the read-only CD?
[04:14] <BWF89> it trys to install to the cd?
[04:15] <BWF89> I thought it used ram
[04:15] <lemsx1> BWF89, no, it gets upacked (like WinZip does). you have to extract it... and then you would install it to the hard disk... you can't do that running from the live CD
[04:15] <BWF89> ok
[04:16] <lemsx1> if you have enough ram you could, in theory, do a huge tmpfs partition and install it there
[04:16] <BWF89> so if I was running Ubuntu from the HDD it would just go to the setup program when I clicked the file I downloaded?
[04:16] <lemsx1> if you were running it from the HD, then it would act as you would expect
[04:16] <BWF89> ok
[04:16] <lemsx1> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:16] <lemsx1> would install it for you
[04:16] <BWF89> I thought linux sucked because of this
[04:16] <BWF89> good thing you helped out and didn't ruin it for me
[04:16] <lemsx1> np
[04:17] <lemsx1> linux does suck though
[04:17] <lemsx1> just less than windows
[04:17] <BWF89> whys that
[04:17] <lemsx1> :-)
[04:17] <BWF89> oh
[04:17] <BWF89> how to i make icons smaller?
[04:17] <lemsx1> because linux is not ready yet
[04:17] <BWF89> what doyou mean not ready
[04:17] <lemsx1> smaller? you must be a young dude
[04:17] <BWF89> 14
[04:17] <greg__> lemsx1:: do u suggest that windows is ready?
[04:17] <BWF89> I told you im a linux newb
[04:17] <lemsx1> don't take my words literally
[04:17] <lemsx1> greg__, no, windows sucks more than linux... read again
[04:18] <BWF89> ready for what? Linux is mainly for servers
[04:18] <BWF89> but it's starting to get into desktops
[04:18] <lemsx1> BWF89, it's not "ready" i should've written
[04:18] <greg__> lemsx1:: dooh.. right :)
[04:18] <lemsx1> BWF89, ready is a subjective term
[04:18] <lemsx1> greg__, ;-) lol np
[04:18] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) BWF89: I disagree, its already got a good chunk of the desktop right, it has a few things missing -- also as lemsx1 suggests, its a subjective term
[04:18] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) linux for me, is a far better desktop than windows ever has been
[04:19] <deFrysk> windows is not ready for the internet yet
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) same for my mum
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and shes not computer literate at all
[04:19] <deFrysk> so better not use it
[04:19] <greg__> lemsx1:: my advocacy mode turned on too quickly :)
[04:19] <lemsx1> BWF89, yeah, because of those "little" things missing is not fully ready... perhaps 2 more years
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) she has a bit of an idea but nothing fancy
[04:19] <BWF89> anyway, how do I make the icons smaller?
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) under liinux all her stuff including the scanner just works
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) under winows its a nightmare
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and we've never used any other OS so
[04:19] <lemsx1> deFrysk, I couldn't agree more. windows is not a multi-user system ready (or network aware by that matter)
[04:20] <lemsx1> greg__, keep evengelizing
[04:20] <kensai> Windows is pre-internet technology
[04:20] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: and that feature udner linux works to its disadvantage, or well it has, its getting alotbetter
[04:20] <daniels> dudes, offtopic
[04:20] <lemsx1> BWF89, in Nautilus Preferences you have a choice to make icons a certain size by default ... 50% 100% etc...
[04:20] <will> Lathiat: glad your mum is following the trend :)
[04:20] <kent> BWF89, you can rightclick on the icons and choose to stretch them. Not sure if its spelled like that, since im using another translation. But, its there in the menu if you rightclick on icons.
[04:20] <Karnaugh> is there any difference between doing apt-get install foo, and aptitude install foo?
[04:21] <kent> BWF89, di as lemsx1 sais. Hes right, and im sort of wrong ;)
[04:21] <BWF89> oh
[04:21] <BWF89> that's cool
[04:21] <lemsx1> Karakth, aptitude rocks and apt-get is simple... apt-get works great for most, but aptitude is best for everything else
[04:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: somewhat, aptitude pulls in recommended packages, which can be good, it more or less does the same thing tho
[04:21] <BWF89> I can make my most used icons bigger and my less used ones smaller :)
[04:21] <BWF89> but is there a way for me to make ALL of them the same size
[04:21] <Karnaugh> Lathiat: ahh
[04:22] <lemsx1> Karnaugh, just remember to open aptitude by itself first, and remove those pesky uninstallation options (automatic stuff)
[04:22] <Karnaugh> lemsx1: hmm?
[04:22] <Karnaugh> lemsx1: I dont see how apt-get is easier, i mean its the same command line
[04:22] <lemsx1> BWF89, nautilus -> preferences ... look for it in the first tab
[04:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: ive never had an issue with that?
[04:23] <Karakth> ...
[04:23] <Karnaugh> I thought aptitude like auto resolved dependencies, warned you of bugs in packages etc as well though
[04:23] <mirak> why the hell I have no sound when trying to rip a CD exept when using cdfs module ?
[04:23] <lemsx1> Karnaugh, they are both easy... aptitude makes your life simpler by being "smarter" about certain things
[04:23] <BWF89> nautilus?
[04:23] <BWF89> you mean: computer->desktop preferences
[04:24] <lemsx1> BWF89, i'm sorry... click on the HOUSE icon and go to Edit->Preferences
[04:24] <lemsx1> BWF89, what used to be Explorer in windows (to manage your folders and files) here is called "Nautilus"
[04:24] <BWF89> live doesn't have a house icon that I can see
[04:25] <madsen> Hmm, I used my old grub when installing Ubuntu (specifically asked it to NOT install a bootloader), but it can't mount the hd partition /dev/hda1 when booting. Any clues.
[04:25] <lemsx1> mirak, perhaps your CDrom is not attached to your sound card?
[04:25] <lemsx1> madsen, you are sure that /dev/hda1 is a valid partition? not swap or something
[04:26] <lemsx1> Lathiat, some times aptitude decides that a package has not been used for N number of days and it decides to remove it... and this creates a chain of things that needs to be removed... but you might not want that
[04:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: hmm, ive never seen that
[04:26] <lemsx1> Lathiat, that's why i always turn off this feature in Aptitude's ui dependancy menu
[04:27] <natex> madsen, what error message do you get?
[04:27] <lemsx1> Lathiat, run aptitude by itself and go to the "GUI" and you will see those options... if they are off, turn them on and use it for a few days :-) you will see
[04:27] <BWF89> thanks for the help, I'm going to go explore the world of open source
[04:27] <madsen> lemsx1: Pretty sure, it ran winxp before, then I reformatted it to ext3 and installed ubuntu on it.
[04:27] <madsen> natex: That I can't mount the partition.
[04:28] <natex> can you mount it after you boot?
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) god damnit
[04:28] <will> mjr: u there?
[04:28] <lemsx1> madsen, but at least you can start up in Linux? i'm not following what you mean by "mount" here
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i just accidentally removed my downloaded package lists
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) by hitting the wrong key in aptitude ;)
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) gah
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im on dialup :(
[04:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) sigh
[04:29] <will> Lathiat: why dialup?
[04:29] <lemsx1> Lathiat, oops... happy accident
[04:29] <natex> madsen, can you mount the partition after you have booted into linux
[04:29] <yz> some folks cant get anything better than dialup, such as myself
[04:29] <will> mjr: i fixed it by adding a specific amount of memory to use under devices
[04:29] <lemsx1> Lathiat, i have a mkisofs.pl script that takes a local mirror (done with apt-move update) and makes as many CDs as needed for "backup" purposes... want it?
[04:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: because its all i have?
[04:30] <cuga> is their a way to make apt stop bugging me about xlibmesa ? i have accelerated drivers but anytime i upgrade anything it complains it wants to overwrite that, which i don't want it to
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hell at hom ei dont have any net access at all
[04:30] <lemsx1> Lathiat, i mean, for later because you messed up already :-)
[04:30] <will> Lathiat: are you in america?
[04:30] <madsen> lemsx1: I'm running a debian on the side. :)
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: australia
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: broadband costs alot more here than america, canada, etc
[04:30] <madsen> natex: Yeah :)
[04:30] <lemsx1> cuga, aptitude hold xlibsmesa
[04:30] <will> Lathiat: is connections on modem good there?
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: and im 17 so im not rolling in money :)
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: its as good as any modem connection
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: sucks for SSH when your downloading stuff, lags really badly
[04:31] <yz> dialup stinks everywhere
[04:31] <natex> madsen, ok then you need to edit /etc/fstab to include that partition
[04:31] <lemsx1> madsen, cool... any icon that open any window (folder) is fine
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: its ok i goto Uni tomorrow or monday so i can get the packages there at 200K/s or something
[04:31] <will> Lathiat: in sweden we get 100mbit mmmmm
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: heh
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: i wish :(
[04:31] <will> i only have 8mbit though
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im at my mums so i can dialup
[04:31] <lemsx1> Lathiat, you can go to a public library and get T3 access :-)
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) go tno net axs at home at all
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hoping to get 256k adsl at some point soon
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) best you can get here is 1.5mbit adsl
[04:31] <yz> i on 28.8 modem in the usa, i cant get any better
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) you can get 10mbit cable in some parts
[04:32] <madsen> natex: But grub won't even boot from the partition... I can't boot Ubuntu.
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) yz: i feel your pain
[04:32] <madsen> lemsx1: What?
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i was on 28.8 for a year only 6 months ago
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im on 36.6 now
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) slightly better
[04:32] <yz> cable company wants to charge me $25,000 to install cable tv and internet
[04:32] <yz> dsl not available
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) yz: woo $25k
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i got that in my petty cash drawwer!
[04:32] <lemsx1> madsen, sorry madsen. disregard :-) ... got confused for a bit...
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) NOT
[04:32] <will> Lathiat: dont u have a 56kbps?
[04:32] <yz> phone line wont go faster than 28,000
[04:32] <madsen> lemsx1: Hehe, np. :)
[04:32] <lemsx1> madsen, you can boot from grub, it's a matter of knowing where you put /boot
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: can get up to 44, but it sucks (bad modem or phone line or something i think(
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: so i limited it to 33.6
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: getting > 44 in perth is rare with our phone lines
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and dsl goe sup to 1.5mbit
[04:33] <will> Lathiat: jesus did u download Ubuntu?
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) thats not available in all homes tho
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: not at home :)
[04:33] <Talliesin> Poor ppl. Here's me complainging about rarely getting above 400
[04:33] <madsen> lemsx1: I'm trying with  root (hd0,0)  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-blablabla  initrd /boot/blablabla
[04:33] <will> cool
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: uwa computer club, 60mbit to the world
[04:33] <natex> Talliesin, hehe
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: i used to follow debian unstable and GNOME cvs on my dialup, however
[04:33] <will> mmm
[04:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: and yes, it sucked
[04:34] <lemsx1> madsen, that means that /boot is in /dev/hda1 when you mount it right?
[04:34] <pauloslf> himppl
[04:34] <madsen> lemsx1: yup
[04:34] <Deft> has anyone had major IMAP problems in hoary's Evolution version?
[04:34] <lemsx1> guys, you can go to #ubuntu-offtopic and talk about DSL and upload speed :-) no offense to anyone though :-)
[04:34] <yz> ok lexsm1
[04:35] <pauloslf> someone here knows how to install netstumbler at ubuntu?
[04:35] <lemsx1> Deft, what version of Evolution is that? go to Help->About ... 2.1 is a Lemon. so downgrade to 2.0.x
[04:36] <lemsx1> madsen, hd(0,0) should be all you need ... why do you put /boot in grub's command line editing mode?
[04:36] <Deft> lemsx1, ah, exactly what I was planning then; is that just as it is currently, or is 2.1 not going to be a release version?
[04:36] <lemsx1> madsen, you only specify boot when /boot is mounted in a separate partition
[04:37] <cuga> lemsx1, I dont use aptitute, is their another way, with just an apt config file?
[04:37] <lemsx1> Deft, i'm not sure what the deal is with 2.1... i just know is bad and people complaint about not being able to connect to imap4 (exchange)
[04:37] <lemsx1> cuga, echo "xlibmesa hold" | dpkg --set-selection
[04:38] <lemsx1> cuga, make sure you read the man pages for "dpkg"
[04:38] <lemsx1> cuga, you can also use synaptic and use Force Version from the menu
[04:39] <lemsx1> pauloslf, what's netstumbler? what does it do?
[04:39] <madsen> lemsx1: Uhm, isn't it the other way around? When /boot is part of /, then it should be /boot/kernel and when /boot is a separate partition it's /kernel?
[04:39] <Deft> hmm, installing warty's evo wants to blow away half of gnome
[04:39] <pauloslf> found's wireless network's
[04:39] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, ping
[04:39] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Deft: not surprised
[04:39] <lemsx1> madsen, where did you get that from?
[04:39] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Deft: bad idea
[04:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: pong
[04:40] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, think i see the problem, hotplug isn't in /etc/rc2.d anymore, what's the easiest way to add it?  it's also not in /etc/rcS.d ... ?
[04:40] <lemsx1> Deft, why not use tbird? or simply apt-get source evolution (from warty) and recompile with: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot
[04:40] <lemsx1> Deft, of course, you would need to edit the "control" file inside the "debian" directory
[04:40] <Deft> going to use thunderbird for a while, see how it's come on in the last couple of versions
[04:41] <lemsx1> Deft, and the changelog (increase the version or something
[04:41] <huttan> anyone know why my gaim wont resize to be as slim as i want it to be?
[04:41] <Deft> see if I can live without my calendar until the next evo update
[04:41] <lemsx1> Deft, tbird rocks... just feels like a "webpage"
[04:41] <lemsx1> huttan, remove the text from the icons in the buddy list
[04:41] <natex> Deft, I am using Evo on warty no problems
[04:41] <Deft> that sounds different to 0.6 or so when I last used it
[04:41] <Deft> natex, are you using IMAP?
[04:42] <lemsx1> natex, that's 2.0 right? he's talking about 2.1
[04:42] <madsen> lemsx1: Memory... I just recalled it that way...
[04:42] <natex> Deft, oh, no sorry I missed that part.
[04:42] <madsen> lemsx1: It also fits well with how my Debian boots atm...
[04:42] <will> anyone know how to disable the sound server in Ubuntu temporarily?
[04:42] <natex> lemsx1, yeah, you're right I'll pipe down now ;)
[04:42] <lemsx1> madsen, everything should be in /boot (no /kernel) unless ubuntu does something else now (i didn't notice that before)
[04:42] <huttan> lemsx1, cant find how to do that
[04:43] <lemsx1> will, talking about esound?
[04:43] <stuNNed_> does hotplug init script go in /etc/rcS.d or /etc/rc2.d ?
[04:43] <lemsx1> will, go to Preferences:/// and open Sound control panel
[04:44] <will> lemsxl: thanks
[04:44] <lemsx1> stuNNed, $> ls /etc/rcS.d/*plug*
[04:44] <lemsx1> /etc/rcS.d/S40hotplug@
[04:44] <stuNNed_> lemsx1, thanks
[04:44] <stuNNed_> lemsx1, what's the easiest way to add it? just symlink it?
[04:44] <lemsx1> huttan, go to Gaim->preferences and take it one preference window at a time
[04:45] <lemsx1> huttan, it's closed to the top
[04:45] <huttan> lemsx1, kk
[04:45] <lemsx1> stuNNed, don't think so... you might want to read: man update-rc.d
[04:45] <lemsx1> stuNNed, but: ln -s /etc/init.d/hotplug .... would do it
[04:45] <stuNNed_> lemsx1, ok thanks
[04:45] <lemsx1> stuNNed, i'd just do it the "right" way
[04:46] <lemsx1> well guys... nice helping you for this morning... now my brain is up to speed
[04:46] <lemsx1> bbl
[04:47] <huttan> lemsx1, ah, thanks =)
[04:47] <lemsx1> huttan, np
[04:48] <madsen> lemsx1: Kernel is at: /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 and initrd at: /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386, so I should just remove /boot from those paths in menu.lst?
[04:48] <lemsx1> madsen, nope
[04:48] <lemsx1> madsen, use update-grub and let it do what's right
[04:48] <nimc> anyone knows if/how it's possible to have totem use alsa audio output for dmix ?
[04:48] <will> rrrrr!
[04:49] <lemsx1> nimc, check under Advanced preferences for multimedia sinks
[04:49] <lemsx1> nimc, gstreamer lets you choose your output sinks and so on
[04:49] <huttan> lemsx1, you know if there is anyway to see how the initrd that follows with the ubuntu install is made? Other than mounting it as a loop
[04:49] <nimc> lemsx1, totem-xine i meant
[04:49] <stuNNed_> damn soundcard isn't detected again
[04:50] <lemsx1> huttan, i believe all that stuff is decided from /etc/ dir (some file there. i forgot where is it. read initrd-tools documentation)
[04:50] <madsen> lemsx1: Uhm, I'm not familiar with update-grub... I usually just edit menu.lst by hand...
[04:50] <lemsx1> nimc, uh, that's a different beast ... i don't know that
[04:50] <madsen> lemsx1: Mind you, I'm using the grub from my Debian install.
[04:51] <nimc> lemsx1, i dont think i have these advanced prefs.... anyone else knows maybe?
[04:51] <lemsx1> nimc, that's part of gstreamer-*
[04:52] <lemsx1> nimc, Applications->Preferences->Advanced->Multimedia System Selector
[04:52] <lemsx1> nimc, definitely not Xine
[04:52] <lemsx1> nimc, you might want to see what can you do from a .xinerc or something (all UNIX apps are like that)
[04:53] <nimc> lemsx1, which movie formats does gstreamer support ? i think none ?
[04:53] <lemsx1> nimc, gstreamer is a framework... as many as you want to install (and have been written) ... it's not as stable as xine, so, don't worry about it for a year or so
[04:54] <lemsx1> nimc, install all the gstreamer libs anyway, they are nice to have
[04:54] <huttan> lemsx1, ah yeah, i know how it works somewhat, just wanted to make a copy of ubuntus initrd to a 2.6.9 kernel, since it boots so nice offa my sata disks
[04:54] <nimc> lemsx1, any movie codecs have been written for gstreamer yet ?
[04:55] <ogra> nimc: http://www.fluendo.com/
[04:55] <lemsx1> huttan, that's the wrong thing to do. you should just compile your 2.6.9 kernels the right way (with make-kpkg) and let pass --initrd during compilation. when you install it it will create the right initrd
[04:56] <huttan> lemsx1, really? nice
[04:56] <lemsx1> nimc, i'm not sure, but you might want to read gstreamer-devel mailing list (i'm a member and i see all kinds of tricks being done for encoding movies from C/comand line etc...)
[04:57] <huttan> lemsx1, just add the --initrd flag to make-kpkg command ?
[04:57] <lemsx1> now i'm really leaving ... ttyl
[04:57] <lemsx1> huttan, no, you need more than that
[04:57] <lemsx1> huttan, use my script: http://www.latinomixed.com/downloads/make-kpkg.sh.gz
[04:58] <runixd> a quick question, warty hoary grumpy perky ?
[04:58] <runixd> what is what?
[04:59] <Riddell> runixd: the codenames for the versions of ubuntu
[04:59] <runixd> I'm not stupid
[04:59] <nimc> anyone knows of programs that support dmix except alsaplayer?
[04:59] <Rene_S> warty is the current stable
[04:59] <runixd> yeah, and the rest?
[05:00] <Rene_S> hoary is in development
[05:00] <voth> anyone know why the 1cd install of ubuntu seems to be a laptop one ?
[05:00] <lemsx1> wow. i'm impressed... cdrecord fails to write a disc, but nautilus-cd-burner works like a charm (2.6.9 kernel... not as root)
[05:00] <Rene_S> grumpy and perky are ideas
[05:00] <Rene_S> for future releases
[05:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) voth: What makes you think it is a laptop-specific install?
[05:00] <runixd> ahh I see
[05:00] <huttan> lemsx1, nice...that script automaitcally makes an initrd ?
[05:00] <runixd> which one is closest to unstable?
[05:01] (mjr/#ubuntu) lemsx1, I think it calls cdrecord, so you're just doing something differently
[05:01] <Rene_S> hoary
[05:01] <runixd> great, thank you
[05:01] <voth> there is a line i see during the boot process that actually say's laptop (unfortunately, i don't recall the exact wording of that sentence)
[05:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) voth: It could be anything, anyway I assure it its not laptop specific and nothing to worry about..
[05:02] <pauloslf> hi
[05:02] <Rene_S> Ill send you my bill in the mail :)
[05:03] <stuNNed_> can someone help me with my soundcard not being detected after compiling ubuntu sources custom kernel and how do i get all network devices (ppp0, ath0, eth0) to be in the default runlevel?
[05:04] <pauloslf> anyone ca explain me how did i execute a program that i just instal?? i made ./configure then make then make install
[05:04] <runixd> stuNNed, you add devices as auto in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:04] <runixd> damn, what a userbase
[05:04] <runixd> pauloslf, just run executable
[05:05] <natex> pauloslf, do you know where the executable is located?
[05:05] <pauloslf> it shoul be at the directory where the tar was... i think
[05:05] <pauloslf> ...
[05:05] <stuNNed_> runixd, damn what a userbase?
[05:05] <runixd> pauloslf, go into /src directory of the stuff you compiled, or whatever its called there, after make all the executables will be there
[05:06] <runixd> or the ones you want at least
[05:06] <runixd> ignore that stuNNed_
[05:06] <natex> pauloslf, if you did "make install" the executable will probably be in /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin
[05:07] <spacey`ki> stuNNed what kind of soundcard
[05:07] <SuperQ> b0nk
[05:08] <spacey`ki> stuNNed_, ? what card? and does it show up in dmesg?
[05:08] <runixd> why doesn't it let me to force install http instead of cd
[05:08] <runixd> *from http/ftp
[05:09] <ogra> runixd: it ?
[05:09] <runixd> the installer
[05:09] <runixd> it just hang in error loop, saying it couldn't find hoary on cd
[05:09] <Majestic|Linux> when is the new version coming out
[05:10] <spacey`ki> Majestic|Linux, see website
[05:10] <kris_> what is the best way to autostart an app in gnome (user based)? and is it best to use /etc/init.d for system-wide apps (daemons)?
[05:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: in gnome, its under computer->desktop preferences->sessions->startup programs
[05:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: and for system stuff you usually use /etc/init.d etc, yes
[05:12] <kris_> Lathiat: thanks
[05:12] <kris_> about firestarter: is it any good?
[05:13] <kris_> -orelse what are the alternatives?
[05:14] <kris_> (firewalls...)
[05:15] <tewny> i'm a newbie.  i was curious if linux could be used to assign a domain to a box otherwise hosted by an isp.
[05:17] <runixd> linux has nothing to do with it
[05:17] <tewny> i thought hoary had not been released ?
[05:17] <kris_> what firewall application would you recommend? really don't have so much time to figure out to do it by hand -iptables...
[05:17] <kris_> currently have firestarter, but... -any suggestions?
[05:18] <runixd> kris_, everything is based around iptables
[05:18] <kris_> i know,
[05:18] <runixd> kris_, there are scripts which can configure stuff for you
[05:18] <runixd> alot of them
[05:18] <kris_> i know.
[05:18] <tewny> runixd are you saying that would have to be done from the isps end ?
[05:19] <kris_> runixd: so firestarter is not your recomendation?
[05:21] <kris_> runixd: ok, so name your script as an e.g.
[05:21] <runixd> kris_, no
[05:21] <runixd> tewny, no
[05:21] <runixd> kris_, sec
[05:21] <ogra> kris_: what for do you want a filrewall in ububuntu ?
[05:22] <runixd> firewall-jay
[05:22] <kris_> ogra: because i am on the internet....
[05:22] <kris_> runixd: thank you
[05:22] <runixd> np
[05:22] <ogra> kris_: all ports are closed by default, firewalls only close ports....so no need for a fw if there are no open ports ;)
[05:23] <runixd> ogra, firewall doesn't just close ports
[05:23] <runixd> and there is need for firewall
[05:23] <ogra> kris_: as long as you dont open them manually a firewall has no use on ubuntu....
[05:23] <kris_> ogra: plus, who sais that I don't have other ports open?
[05:23] <ogra> runixd: what for ?
[05:24] <ogra> kris_: if you run a default ubuntu there are no open ports....
[05:24] <runixd> alot of stuff, packet filtering, icmp filtering, etc etc
[05:24] <kris_> ogra: I somewhere read about DOS attacks,.........
[05:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: you cant do *anything* about DOS attacks, its life
[05:25] <will> ogra: how would you list open ports?
[05:25] <ogra> kris_: so you opened up anything manually that you want to filter ?
[05:26] <kris_> netstat?
[05:26] <drac> Lathiat, yes u can do *something* bout DOS attacks
[05:26] <ogra> will: install nmapfe and do a scan ....
[05:26] <drac> if you are the sysadmin of the network being attacked
[05:27] <runixd> kris_, running well configured ip tables is a good idea, dispite running or not any services
[05:27] <ogra> will: to your ip, not to <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:27] <runixd> ogra, it doesn't matter, as long as ip resolves to localhost loop devices will be used
[05:27] <_scp> ok..  Ubuntu is my first experience with 2.6.x
[05:27] <huttan> is it anyway to get more than 1 program to use /dev/dsp? So i can like use skype and listen to mp3 at the same time
[05:28] <runixd> ok gtg
[05:28] <ogra> runixd: argh, right.....
[05:28] <ogra> will: so better do it from another pc :)
[05:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) drac: well it depends on the DoS [i.e. packet slamming or some service bug, but most people refer to packet slamming when they use the term DoS] , but in general, as a home user, you cant do diddly squat
[05:29] <kris_> runixd: thank you for the tip, but still: since firestarter basically does the same thing (i assume), why configure iptables via scripting? having a gui is nice...
[05:30] <ogra> Lathiat: anyways, on dialup poff/pon will solve it *g*
[05:30] <kris_> runixd: so what exactly is why jay script is better than firestarter app?
[05:30] <Gwildor> lathiat, couldnt you just restart your modem, and grab a new ip?
[05:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: not if you have a static ip
[05:30] <will> how can you start the sound server from within x?
[05:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) andnot if they are chasing your IP on irc
[05:30] <drac> Lathiat, of course but some DOS are also used to crash a box with packet slamming ...
[05:30] <ogra> Lathiat: hmm, on dialup ?
[05:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) or some other medium
[05:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: you can get static ips on dialup over here pretty easily
[05:31] <huttan> is it anyway to get more than 1 program to use /dev/dsp? So i can like use skype and listen to mp3 at the same time
[05:31] <drac> huttan of course
[05:31] <ogra> Lathiat: hmm, i couldnt imagine a german provider offering this.....
[05:31] <drac> use a sound deamon
[05:32] <drac> like esd or artsd
[05:32] <drac> ...
[05:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: well, it happens here :)
[05:32] <kris_> runixd: ?
[05:32] <ogra> Lathiat: but then it wouldnt help.....youre right :)
[05:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: i used to run an irc network that attracted alot of DoS, i know :)
[05:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stupid skrept kiddiez
[05:33] <huttan> drac, nice
[05:33] <ogra> Lathiat: cmon, the are the programmers of tomorrow *shiver*
[05:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: haha :)
[05:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: your funny :)
[05:34] <ogra> :)
[05:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ill admit to having slight irc kiddiesh actions once
[05:34] <huttan> drac, but how do i get my programs to understand what to use ?
[05:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) nuked a channel for some mirc script with a backdoor in it using flooders on my dialup -- i consider it a service so i dont feel guilty about it :)
[05:34] <huttan> drac, or eassier...what device should they use? regular /dev/dsp ?
[05:35] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) flooded the channel, got set invite only, flooded off the only op which was a bot
[05:41] <huttan> drac, i make esd use the device /dev/dsp ?
[05:41] <drac> yes and then you tell xmms to use esd
[05:41] <drac> gaim to use esd
[05:41] <ogra> huttan: esd already uses it .... by default
[05:42] <ogra> huttan: just tell the apps to use esd
[05:42] <drac> and then you have sound being played live, by all your software using esd
[05:42] <huttan> ogra, kk
[05:42] <huttan> brb
[05:44] <pauloslf> what does this mean: configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[05:44] <ogra> pauloslf: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:44] <ogra> pauloslf: there seems no compiler installed....
[05:45] <pauloslf> i have to execute that comand fisrt?
[05:46] <ogra> pauloslf: you can install build-essential with synaptic or with the command above, it will pull in everything necessary for compiling
[05:48] <kris_> Lathiat: why do you think firestarter is not a recomended firewall?
[05:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: I never said that
[05:49] <stuNNed_> godamn buggy dell bios :D
[05:50] <kris_> Lathiat: ok, let me rephrase: why would _you_ not recommend it?
[05:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: spam them about it ;
[05:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ;)
[05:50] <kris_> Lathiat: based on your vast experience when the fw was most needed...
[05:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kr	never used it, so I have no opinion
[05:50] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, everything working with a few kernel boot arguments :D still haven't tested godamn linuxant drivers with no piix as modules though
[05:50] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, /me spams away :D
[05:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: what dell product do you have?
[05:51] <stuNNed_> Lathiat, all working now, dell inspiron 8200 laptop
[05:51] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: ah cool, hows that going for you?
[05:51] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im ponering getting a dell inspiron 510m
[05:51] <stuNNed_> what actually does nolapic do?