[00:13] <rcw2> anyone having display issues with toolboxes sticking or the wrong size with gimp in updated saucy?
[01:10] <WahBlow> h
[02:34] <Newspeech> Ein kurzer Test.
[02:34] <Unit193> !de
[02:35] <Newspeech> ok thx
[02:36] <SierraAR> Anybody have any good recommendations for IRC clients to run on kubuntu, that support SSL and connecting to multiple networks at once?
[02:52] <Darthfrog> I don't know about SSL, but I use Konversation.
[02:52] <Darthfrog> There's also Quassel.
[02:52] <Darthfrog> They're both native KDE IRC apps.
[02:54] <Belial`> SierraAR, quassel and konversation i believe both support ssl. most if not all modern irc clients support multiple networks.
[02:54] <Unit193> SierraAR: I'd hope/think most clients support that.  I know for a fact Quassel does, and Irssi does splendedly.
[02:54] <Unit193> splendidly
[07:03] <DEEPAK> HI
[08:53] <cff> Why do I get this when I do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade http://paste.kde.org/p54hgcbrx/zt484o#line-1?
[08:54] <cff> I have saucy-backports repo enabled
[08:54] <cff> saucy and saucy-updates
[08:54] <cff> & saucy-security
[08:59] <jussi> cff: this may be useless information, but have you tried apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:04] <cff> jussi: indeed, that seems to start the upgrade, not sure if it does the right thing
[09:04] <cff> jussi: as it removed some packages
[09:06] <apachelogger> PPA upgrades sometimes need to remove/replace packages
[09:06] <cff> yes, but it removed nvidia driver and I think now it is no longer installed
[09:07] <apachelogger> probably you are usign the xorg-edgers ppa
[09:07]  * apachelogger advises against using that particular PPA :P
[09:07] <cff> I've used it in the past but disabled it
[09:07] <cff> because it caused problems
[09:07] <apachelogger> cff: unless you run the tool ppa-purge you will likely still have packages from the PPA
[09:08] <apachelogger> ppa-purge essentially forcefully downgrades all packages from what was in the PPA to the official ubuntu version
[09:24] <cff> After reboot I have this problem: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  nvidia-current-updates : Depends: nvidia-304-updates but it is not going to be installed
[09:24] <cff> I no longer have any nvidia packages installed
[09:25] <cff> ppa-purge didn't work for ppa:xorg-edgers
[09:25] <cff> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: ppa:xorg-edgers ppa:xorg-edgers
[09:28] <cff> SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[09:28] <cff> sudo apt-mark showhold returns 0 results
[09:28] <cff> :O
[09:30] <cff> sudo apt-get install -f ; sudo dpkg --configure -a ... nothing
[09:30] <cff> what happened?
[09:36] <cff> huh gcc got uninstalled too
[09:36] <cff> gcc 4.8
[09:36] <cff> The following packages have unmet dependencies: gcc : Depends: gcc-4.8 (>= 4.8.1-4~) but it is not going to be installed
[09:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:48] <cff> nothing works
[10:06] <cff> Does Kubuntu have GCC 4.8?
[10:06] <cff> 13.10
[10:08] <lordievader> !info gcc
[10:11] <cff> lordievader: they why do I get this http://paste.kde.org/pnor1fknt/vrhnsm ?
[10:14] <lordievader> cff: Because of unmet dependencies: http://paste.kde.org/pnor1fknt/vrhnsm
[10:15] <cff> lordievader: I've tried all the things in http://askubuntu.com/questions/140246/how-do-i-resolve-unmet-dependencies can't find out why
[10:15] <lordievader> Err "Depends: binutils (>= <IP_ADDRESS>31017)" is what I ment.
[10:16] <cff> lordievader: everything I try to install fails
[10:16] <lordievader> Probably because of a 3rd party repo.
[10:16] <cff> lordievader: do I need to enable / disable the 3rd party repo?
[10:16] <lordievader> That's correct apt refuses to install due to unmet dependencies.
[10:16] <lordievader> cff: You first need to find the one responsible and disable that one.
[10:16] <cff> I've disabled all 3rd parties same problem
[10:17] <lordievader> All in /etc/apt/{sources.list,sources.list.d/*}?
[10:19] <lordievader> This is why 3rd party repos can be a tricky thing, some debs might be compiled against different versions of libs. And in most cases Ubuntu doesn't support running multiple versions of the same lib.
[10:20] <cff> lordievader: yes http://paste.kde.org/p1xqr6ekn/0pr6ps
[10:22] <lordievader> Might be remainder of when the 3rd party repo was around. Could you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy gcc binutils"
[10:22] <lordievader> !info gcc
[10:22] <lordievader> !info binutils
[10:24] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/p5zn9awqj/xuujr6
[10:27] <cff> not sure what to do now
[10:27] <cff> except reinstall
[10:27] <lordievader> cff: Assuming here that those mirror thingies are just that. Where does "sudo apt-get install gcc" get you?
[10:59] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/p0zfxmml2/gck5mj
[11:00] <lordievader> cff: This is really strange. I get the feeling it is easier to just reinstall that to try and fix this mess.
[11:05] <cff> lordievader: right
[11:16] <apachelogger> lordievader: FWIW, apt-get can be made more verbose with -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true
[11:16] <apachelogger> that usually helps with finding out why things are being blocked
[11:17] <lordievader> apachelogger: Ok, got to remember that one. Thanks :)
[11:25] <cff> lordievader: With aptitude I have this http://paste.kde.org/p2etakigw/y2hafs
[11:27] <cff> lordievader: I'm going to try "n" then accept the solution to downgrade packages
[11:27] <lordievader> So the question is why does it want an older version of the dependencies?
[11:28] <cff> lordievader: because I've had gcc toolchain repo
[11:29] <cff> i.e.e ubuntu-toolchain-r
[11:32] <cff> ?info gcc
[11:32] <cff> lordievader: what's the command to see the gcc version in kubuntu 13.10 ?
[11:32] <cff> of the irc bot
[11:32] <lordievader> !info gcc
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:34] <cff> now lets try to install nvidia drivers
[11:35] <lordievader> cff: Have you fixed your gcc issue?
[11:35] <cff> lordievader: yes, it downgrades to 4.8.1
[11:35] <cff> *downgraded
[11:36] <lordievader> Ah, back to the Saucy current.
[12:10] <Mamarok> using 13.10 here with KDE .12.2_ for some strange reason I don't see a spellchecker, despite it being installed. I have the system set to English and also added German and French, but only the spellchecker for English and French appear in the settings. Any ideas?
[12:10] <Mamarok> KDE 4.12.2*
[12:18] <cff> lordievader: now I have skype unment dependecies, i.e. skype-bin
[12:19] <lordievader> cff: Hehe, will it ever end. Try: sudo apt-get install -f
[12:19] <cff> lordievader: it did a setup for 3 things
[12:21] <Walex2> Mamarok: there are several spell checking packages, and you got to install the "right" one, the one you have chosen
[12:22] <cff> lordievader: this is the exact problem I have http://askubuntu.com/questions/407921/how-to-install-skype-on-64bit-ubuntu-13-10-broken-dependencies
[12:22] <Walex2> Mamarok: alternatively you need to logout and login again perhaps. Or check the locale.
[12:23] <Mamarok> Walex2: I already did all this, I have installed pretty much all KDE packages for German, so Kate should see that. Logged in and out again, nothing
[12:23] <Mamarok> even in the system settings -> Locale I don't see German in the Spell checker list, only English and French
[12:24] <Mamarok> I guess there is not a single German language package I didn't install, except for the hunspell ones
[12:24] <lordievader> cff: Have you tried the first answer? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-skype-in-ubuntu-12-04precise.html
[12:25] <Mamarok> cff: there is no 64bit package for Skype on Linux AFAIK, I have a 32bit one here, works fine
[12:25] <Walex2> Mamarok: the spell checker is not part of KDE...
[12:25] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/phipotpus/5k2ue3
[12:25] <lordievader> The 12.04 deb package from the Skype site is multi-arch.
[12:25] <Mamarok> Walex2:read again, I have all those packages installed already, as I said above :)
[12:26] <lordievader> cff: That is not a good solution...
[12:26] <cff> lordievader: indeed
[12:27] <lordievader> cff: Go to http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/ select 12.04 multi arch and install the deb.
[12:27]  * Mamarok installs the hunspell ones as well, maybe that helps
[12:28] <Mamarok> hm, apparently that conflicts with the myspell ones
[12:29] <cff> lordievader: same problem, unmet dependencies, I think I need to downgrade Qt
[12:30] <lordievader> Didn't Skype use gtk? (Not sure here, haven't installed it in a while)
[12:30] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/p0rzukaal/z8upgi
[12:30] <cff> lordievader: no, it uses Qt
[12:30] <lordievader> I stand corrected.
[12:31] <lordievader> cff: Now try running "sudo apt-get install -f" again.
[12:34] <cff> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/pih16nmtl/6kkby1
[12:34] <cff> it tries to uninstall skype
[12:37] <lordievader> cff: That might very well be the skype from the repos. Just for clarity do you have a 64bit install or a 32bit one?
[12:37] <cff> 64 bit one
[12:37] <cff>  libxcb1 : Breaks: libxcb1:i386 (!= 1.10-2ubuntu1~xedgers~saucy1) but 1.9.1-3ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[12:37] <cff> there are still packages left from xedgers
[12:37] <cff> repository
[12:38] <lordievader> Ugh xorg edgers... This is one of the reasons I do not recommend using that repo.
[12:38] <ikonia> it's very very hit and miss
[12:38] <Mamarok> as said above: there currently iss no working 64bit version for Skype on Linux, use the 32bit one
[12:38] <Mamarok> is*
[12:40] <cff> lordievader: right, but ppa-purge doesn't work for it
[12:40] <ikonia> it should do, but PPA purge is just a script, so it can fail
[12:42] <ikonia> or hit complications it can't deal with as it basically purges and trys to re-install from main, it can get blocked
[12:42] <cff> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: xorg-edgers ppa
[12:42] <cff> I've tried https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppa-purge/+bug/892886/comments/7
[12:43] <ikonia> cff: have you disabled the PPA ?
[12:44] <cff> ikonia: yes
[12:44] <ikonia> then how do you expect it to get the package list ?
[12:44] <cff> ikonia: enable it and try again?
[12:45] <cff> ikonia: the files are still there...
[12:45] <ikonia> the package list isn't
[12:45] <ikonia> as that's on the repo
[12:45] <ikonia> and how will it know the files/dependnecies/etc
[12:45] <ikonia> the repo needs to be enabled to get the info on the repo
[12:45] <jdoles> Why does Kubuntu as a separate brand exist?
[12:45] <ikonia> it works in a different way than ubuntu
[12:46] <ikonia> controlled by a different group
[12:46] <jdoles> Do you actually fix Kubuntu specific bugs?
[12:46] <jdoles> Or rather, KDE bugs.
[12:46] <ikonia> they do fix bugs specific to kubuntu - but if it's the ubuntu core base that kde is built on then it will get fed into ubuntu to fix
[12:46] <jdoles> I for example don't like to have to change from KDE4 to something else, only because of memory leaks.
[12:47] <ikonia> what ?
[12:47] <jdoles> It is *impossible* to run on 8GB of RAM (without swap) for more than one month.
[12:48] <jdoles> kded uses a ton of memory (GBs and growing infinitely).
[12:48] <ikonia> ??? where did that come from, you just asked why kubuntu as a project existed ???
[12:48] <ikonia> now you've just jumped to a random problem you are having???
[12:48] <jdoles> ikonia: the jump is not that great.
[12:48] <ikonia> it's pretty random
[12:49] <jdoles> Allow me to explain: if one takes true ownership of a project, bugs *are* fixed.
[12:49] <jdoles> Between 4.8 and 4.12 I have seen some terrible crashes fixed, but this particular problem is years old.
[12:49] <ikonia> jdoles: is the problem with kubuntu or kde
[12:50] <jdoles> ikonia: it is on Kubuntu, but likely originates in KDE.
[12:50] <jdoles> People say it is related to the powermanager,  but I am not even running that service.
[12:50] <cff> canonical-qt5-edgers ppa is enable but ppa-purge gives Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: canonical-qt5-edgers ppa
[12:51] <ikonia> cff: is that ppa/host up
[12:51] <ikonia> jdoles: ok, so you can't expect kubuntu to fix kde over night, they may have logged bugs, but they don't fix/maintain kde
[12:51] <ikonia> jdoles: maybe try to participate in the project to help understand where the problem is and then you can work with kubuntu, or kde upstream if required to filter the fix down the projects
[12:51] <cff> yes, http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper/ubuntu/
[12:52] <cff> ikonia: update responds
[12:52] <ikonia> cff: maybe the script is just failing then
[12:52] <ikonia> cff: as I said, it's a script, it's not perfect.
[12:53] <cff> or maybe I'm not calling it correctly
[12:53] <cff> I do this sudo ppa-purge ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/ppa
[12:53] <ikonia> do you need /ppa on the end ?
[12:53] <ikonia> I've not got the syntax here
[12:57] <BluesKaj> cff, why not just remove the ppa from /etc/apt/sources.list.d and muon , then update
[12:57] <ikonia> BluesKaj: because it won't remove the packages that have already been installed
[12:58] <ikonia> and if won't update until the conflicts created by the PPA are gone
[13:01] <cff> strange, as per https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper , the ppa is ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ppa purge takes out the installed packages too? , that's new to me
[13:04] <rkatichev> бНОПНЯ
[13:05] <cff> ikonia: I think I found the culprit
[13:07] <cff> or not
[13:07] <ikonia> explain
[13:08] <cff> I've removed the existing qt edgers repo, then I've add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper ; apt-get update ; ppa-purge ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper
[13:08] <cff> same outcome
[13:08] <cff> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: canonical-qt5-edgers qt5-proper
[13:09] <cff> but something is wrong
[13:09] <cff> I can't see edgers in update
[13:11] <cff> http://paste.kde.org/p6fkqao77/1wguh4
[13:12] <cff> I have the repo enabled at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/canonical-qt5-edgers-qt5-proper-saucy.list
[13:12] <cff> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper/ubuntu saucy main
[14:30] <cff> Why is the  #node.js channel empty?
[14:30] <cff> Koversation fail ?
[15:00] <cff> Whenever I try to install a VirtualBox VM with Kubuntu on  and press install my PC restarts
[15:00] <cff> whaaat
[15:44] <dcorbin_> I've had strange thing happen with recent upgrade...When ever I open a pidgin window, I get a pop up 'window' on the top-left side of the screen that appears to be tied to the "devices notifier".  It's blank other than "No devices available" and a separator bar.  The USB icon shows up in the System Tray, and click on it make the window go away.  Very annoying.  Any suggestions for fixing this problem?
[19:19] <rohan> apachelogger: hey, are you around?
[20:07] <pietro10> Is there a preferred way to set up Kubuntu as a SMB server? I want to share down to a VM. Thanks.
[20:23] <lordievader> pietro10: If the VM is on the same machine I'd use NFS.
[20:25] <pietro10> lordievader: thanks
[20:38] <pietro10> lordievader: is there a way I can debug to see what is trying to connect to the server
[20:38] <lordievader> pietro10: Depends largely on the protocol/program you use.
[20:40] <pietro10> lordievader: NFS using kubuntu as the host and the insturctions on the ubuntu wiki (which is command line)
[20:40] <lordievader> pietro10: Ah, the nfs server logs to /var/log/syslog IIRC
[20:43] <pietro10> oh I was connecting wrong
[20:43] <pietro10> er
[20:43] <pietro10> specifying import path wrong
[20:44] <pietro10> now I just need the port that nfs runs on
[20:44] <lordievader> pietro10: That is quite a problem. NFS doesn't use a static port.
[20:44] <pietro10> oh
[20:45] <pietro10> because I'm seeing messages like
[20:45] <pietro10> Feb 27 15:44:57 pietro-laptop rpc.mountd[4950]: refused mount request from <IP_ADDRESS> for /home/pietro/src/wingo (/home/pietro/src/wingo): illegal port 55568
[20:45] <philip> I have just installed 13.10 from a live cd on an old machine.  When asked to reboot it hangs on the Kubuntu splash screen.  Any hints?
[20:45] <pietro10> (port number changes each time)
[20:45] <lordievader> pietro10: Exactly dynamic ports.
[20:46] <lordievader> pietro10: Have you made a /etc/exports and given the client access?
[20:46] <pietro10> yes
[20:46] <pietro10> cmd: /home/pietro/src/wingo	<IP_ADDRESS>(rw,sync,no_root_squash)
[20:47] <lordievader> pietro10: And restarted the nfs daemon after you made the change?
[20:49] <pietro10> I think (made a few other IP test changes, don't rmeember which I restarted)
[20:49] <pietro10> let me try again
[20:49] <pietro10> yep
[20:49] <pietro10> still no go
[20:50] <gomiboy> pietro10: you have to add "insecure" to /etc/exports options and then run exportfs -r
[20:50] <pietro10> ok
[20:51] <pietro10> awesome, thanks both of you
[21:00] <philip> I have just installed 13.10 from a live cd on an old machine.  When asked to reboot it hangs on the Kubuntu splash screen.  Any hints?
[21:10] <falsobuio> hello to all. there are 2 folders in my home directory that i cannot open them or even when i hover over them pc lags. i tried to open the folder via terminal. then the terminal stuck for a while and saw some irrelevant rows appearing. then i made an sudo rm -r -f /path
[21:10] <falsobuio> but  terminal is processing and not responding still plus that pc lags from time to time.
[21:59] <ustanak> Hi, I am running Kubuntu on an HD display(Full 1080p). Things look small, and webpages in firefox I have to enlarge them with "CTRL +". In windows there is in option to make everything look bigger, which fixes Icons, Fonts, Webpages and everything. Is there some similar Option for KDE/Kubuntu So I don't have to fix everything seperately each time?
[22:00] <soee> increase fonts
[22:01] <soee> or chande fonts DPI
[22:04] <ustanak> As I said, It's not only about the fonts. It's about the Icons, Webpages,Fonts, Panel, Everything looks smaller.
[23:24] <esc> hi, i need a plasmoid for showing os updates
[23:24] <esc> i think there was something on kubuntu by default some versions ago
[23:24] <esc> but now there isn't
[23:25] <esc> so my GF doesn't install updates
[23:26] <esc> ideally, I would want something that is compatible with muon, which seems to be the kubuntu default package manager
[23:42] <esc> um, hello?


[00:01] <jonah1980> hey guys, how good is the alpha3, is it stable enough to use. kubuntu/ubuntu 9.04 on my eee pc 1101ha doesn't give me any wifi or ethernet and can't get ndiswrapper working etc, so thought'd i'd try +1 ??
[00:04] <ericG> kubuntu karmic is working great on my eee 1000ha using wicd for the wireless
[00:05] <ericG> its alot snappier in karmic because of the intel and kernel updates
[00:06] <ericG> it is an alpha though so it might not stay that way.
[00:10] <danbhfive> jonah1980: have you tried LBM?
[00:10] <jonah1980> ericG: ok so you think it might be ok to give a go? it won't wreck my machine or anything? also will wifi work or ethernet out of box?
[00:10] <jonah1980> lbm?
[00:11] <danbhfive> jonah1980: linux-backports-modules-jaunty-generic   install that
[00:11] <jonah1980> danbhfive: problem i had was i had no internet to try to install stuff from though
[00:12] <danbhfive> jonah1980: yeah, erm, I can't help you with that.  You could use a usb drive if you had one
[00:13] <jonah1980> danbhfive: haven't got anything like that i can use unfortunately, that's why i thought the alpha might be worth a shot
[00:14] <jonah1980> i tried ndiswrapper and a few things to no avail
[00:14] <ericG> you can always try out the live cd and see if your stuff works
[00:14] <ericG> what wireless card is in the 1101ha?
[00:15] <jonah1980> ericG: atheros something or other, not sure actually, can't find much info
[00:18] <jonah1980> ericG: do you know if unetbootin shipped with kubuntu jaunty will put alpha 3 on if you select live_daily?
[00:20] <ericG> no idea jonah1980, i donwloaded the kubunti karmic netbook iso and put it on my drive with unetbootin.
[00:23] <jonah1980> ericG, as this has an 11" screen will the netbook one still be ok, as on kubuntu release page it says optimised upto 10" netbooks...
[00:29] <EagleScreen> anyone is using karmic with home in ext4?
[00:29] <bjsnider> there's nothing wrong with atheros support in jaunty
[00:30] <jonah1980> bjsnider: it didn't work for the 1101ha though, so something must have changed
[00:31] <bjsnider> what OS does the thing ship with?
[00:34] <jonah1980> bjsnider: it came with xp which i had to get rid of immediately, i didn't even boot xp up, i just got a dongle out and put jaunty straight on the thing!
[00:35] <jonah1980> maybe that was a bad move as i don't have any internet on the thing!
[00:35] <bjsnider> is it supposed to be wireless-n or g?
[00:35] <jonah1980> but i'd rather have no connection than use microsoft haha
[00:35] <jonah1980> bjsnider: g
[00:35] <bjsnider> well, ath5k is designed to run those chips
[00:36] <bjsnider> boot off a livecd
[00:36] <jonah1980> bjsnider: i think it's ath8k though...
[00:36] <jonah1980> bjsnider: or maybe something else...
[00:36] <bjsnider> ath9k runs the wireless-n version
[00:36] <bjsnider> i'm talking about the driver name
[00:37] <bjsnider> not the chip
[00:37] <jonah1980> bjsnider: to be honest i'm not sure what it uses, as i can't find anyone on google that has a 1101ha with linux on it...
[00:39] <bjsnider> do you still have jaunty on it?
[00:39] <jonah1980> bjsnider: yeah, just creating the alpha 3 dongle to try, but i can give jaunty a go again if you know how to get it up?
[00:40] <bjsnider> either will do
[00:40] <jonah1980> bjsnider: ok booted it up into jaunty...
[00:41] <bjsnider> open up a terminal type lspci
[00:42] <jonah1980> bjsnider: ok i've got Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network adapter rev 01
[00:42] <jonah1980> bjsnider: and ethernet is attansic tech corp device 1062
[00:45] <bjsnider> jonah1980, your atheros chip is supported by the ath9k driver
[00:45] <bjsnider> type sudo modprobe ath9k
[00:45] <jonah1980> bjsnider: ok done that, now what do i do? no wifi is showing up still
[00:46] <bjsnider> type iwconfig
[00:46] <jonah1980> bjsnider: ok it says lo no wireless connections and pan0 no wireless connections
[00:46] <bjsnider> wait, this is jaunty?
[00:47] <bjsnider> ok, jaunty won't do it
[00:47] <jonah1980> bjsnider: yeah
[00:47] <bjsnider> without the lbm package
[00:47] <bjsnider> but youcan't get it
[00:47] <bjsnider> so try karmic
[00:47] <bjsnider> karmic should work
[00:47] <bjsnider> you need a newer kernel than 2.6.28
[00:47] <bjsnider> karmic has .31
[00:47] <jonah1980> bjsnider: jaunty won't? so is it easiier to install lbm on jaunty or do the karmic dongle?
[00:48] <bjsnider> it would be har dto install lbm without internet
[00:48] <jonah1980> bjsnider: ok karmic it is, thanks i'll install it now
[00:48] <BluesKaj> wicd will work without having to upgrade to karmic
[00:48] <bjsnider> no
[00:48] <bjsnider> the ath9k version he needs is not in the 2.6.28 kernel
[00:49] <BluesKaj> I'm running 2.8 with jaunty and using wicd
[00:49] <BluesKaj> on my laptop
[00:49] <jonah1980> bjsnider: thanks so much for the help, i'll fire up karmic now, so do i just type modprobe ath9k at konsole once done?
[00:50] <bjsnider> and you have an AR9285 atheros chip
[00:50] <bjsnider> no, it should be loaded automatically
[00:50] <jonah1980> bjsnider: ok
[00:51] <BluesKaj> what's so special about that chip, artheros is artheros , no ?
[00:51] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k#supported_chipsets
[00:51] <johnjohn101> hi, i was reading the release notes. Is HAL really being depreciated?
[00:51] <BluesKaj> atheros
[00:51] <bjsnider> hal is being deprecated in favour of devicekit
[00:51] <Pici> !hal
[00:52] <BluesKaj> ok , back to tv
[00:55] <johnjohn101> will the halsectomy be more reliable?
[00:56] <bjsnider> if you read the wikipedia page on devicekit, it will be more clear
[00:59] <johnjohn101> thanks, it makes sense. I see that it's all new to linux
[01:00] <Spirits-Sight> when ever I try to run live cd I get a screen full of stuff and then it drops me to concel and it also says some thing about removing GDM guess session or some thing like this, I don't have a way to computer the screen as I only have this system.
[01:02] <johnjohn101> if i install alpha 4, can I keep uprading until final release or do I have to reinstall?
[01:06] <TheInfinity> johnjohn101: you can upgrade, but alpha means it might destroy everything ;)
[01:06] <TheInfinity> so its you might have to reinstall if theres a bad bug
[01:07] <johnjohn101> i'm excited about 9.10, seems like a nice jump from 9.04.
[01:11] <diverse_izzue> hello. my screensaver never activates under karmic. anyone else experiencing that?
[01:32] <odinsbane> Anyluck with the fglrx drivers on karmic koala?
[01:34] <odinsbane> I can use an older kernel with the fglrx drvers, but it still doesn't allow me to enable desktop effects.
[01:38] <spO> kernel <IP_ADDRESS>  (the current stable one )   is not karmic nor jaunty,  what is it?
[01:42] <Tekno> what do you mea
[01:42] <Tekno> n
[01:43] <Tekno> It's stable from www.kernel.org
[01:47] <odinsbane> Techno is there a repo for it?
[01:48] <Tekno> odinsbane: no its in www.kernel.org
[01:49] <Tekno> it must be compiled first
[01:49] <jonah1980> hi got ubuntu karmic installed and works ok but wrong screen res, i need 1366x768, it's not in my display list and i can't find an xorg.conf file either! how do i add this resolution? thanks
[01:54] <spO> does kernel.org kernels need patches?
[02:05] <joem_> does anybody know how to set alsa to play sound through the line in on my sound card? It used to be an option in gnome volume settings but isn't there now
[02:05] <joem_> it may have been swap line-in/line-out I can't remember now
[02:22] <Gumby> hi all.  anyone have any issues with 64bit 9.10 and skype?
[03:07] <J-_> hey, I'm trying to use wicd in Kubuntu and I'm having trouble finding the command to connect at startup. What would it be?
[03:35] <x1250> There should be hidden (but collapsable) options in every connection. Look there... you'll find it.
[03:52] <dotblank> omg
[03:53] <dotblank> I just got a notification in pidgin
[03:53] <dotblank> its super ugly!!!
[03:53] <dotblank> like really bad looking
[04:55] <ripps> Wow, nautilus is zooming today. Did they actually fix it?
[04:56] <ripps> My computer doesn't freeze when I open my Videos folder
[06:02] <lkk-> why the ruby1.9 version is so old , and gem update is only 1.3.4
[06:10] <DanaG> hmm, the udev audio surround sound thingy is still broken for me.
[06:11] <DanaG> oh, and apport won't let me report the crash, because I'm using a PPA version.
[08:05] <spO> ```i have problems activating my fglrx on a custom 2.6.30-4 kernel  .... have any of you sucessfully used fglrx with a custom kernel?
[08:16] <wouter2> hey
[08:16] <syn-ack> werd
[08:16] <wouter2> i just upgraded to karmic from jaunty and when booting up i dont get gdm started...
[08:17] <syn-ack> wouter2: I'm looking at the forums for you still too
[08:17] <wouter2> i get something about org.gnome.DisplayManager not allowed on display x:xx due to policy settings...
[08:17] <wouter2> what i got was a dialogue between runch and some guy
[08:20] <wouter2> hmhm im seeing something in dbus/system.d/gdm.conf
[08:20] <wouter2> maybe gdm wasnt started as gdm user by the init script?
[08:22] <syn-ack> Looking like something to do with pam
[08:22] <wouter2> yep, no --user gdm in my gdm init file
[08:22] <spO> does fglrx work correctly on karmic?
[08:22] <wouter2> ok brb, let me test it
[08:28] <wouter2> still no luck...
[08:30] <wouter2> i can do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart though... hmm
[08:33] <wouter2> reboot didnt help... :(
[08:33] <syn-ack> wouter2: you here?
[08:34] <wouter2> syn-ack: yea
[08:34] <syn-ack> did it work?
[08:34] <wouter2> i just checked my dbus config, and stuff, and did a reboot, didnt help
[08:34] <syn-ack> hrm
[08:35] <wouter2> sudo su gdm and then run the init script as that user works though
[08:35] <wouter2> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm works as well
[08:35] <syn-ack> ownership issues?
[08:36] <wouter2> in dbus config it says that root can own org.gnome.DisplayManager
[08:36] <wouter2> i copied that permission to gdm user
[08:36] <wouter2> i wonder if i can copy that permission to default or something....
[08:39] <syn-ack> hrm
[08:39] <syn-ack> I was wondering if you had to be a part of the gdm group but like you said dbus seems to solve that need
[08:40] <wouter2> mmm let me check
[08:41] <wouter2> wait, still, during bootup, the init script is run as root, right?
[08:41] <syn-ack> yeah
[08:41] <wouter2> so it should just work? :s
[08:41] <syn-ack> yeah
[08:41] <wouter2> odd
[08:41] <syn-ack> let me log into launchpad and see what I can find
[08:41] <wouter2> i commented out the /dev/null redirection, let me see what i get...
[08:46] <skazi21101> i ave big problem with startup my flgrx fails. idon`t know what to do
[08:46] <skazi21101> how it can be fixed&
[08:47] <skazi21101> i using 9.10 alpha 4
[08:49] <skazi21101> can somebody help me? it not fun to work in console
[08:51] <spO> after i  change my group's name from IAMELITE to user in my /etc/group file,  how do I change all the files on my system to use the new group instead of the previous one?  Are the files on my ubuntu box based on IAMELITE/user  gid , or are they name based or both?
[08:51] <wouter2> syn-ack: i just had it working, had to create /var/log/gdm
[08:51] <wouter2> because my log dir is volatile
[08:52] <wouter2> but, then too many problems appeared... my networking was not enabled, there was a crash report about gdm-binary crashing
[08:53] <skazi21101> how about fglrx/ can somebody help?
[08:53] <wouter2> syn-ack: i will have to go back to jaunty cause i dont like too much messing with linux anymore :P
[08:53] <syn-ack> I'm looking at launchpad
[08:54] <syn-ack> wouter2: so, what I found is this... apparently there have been a lot of issues with the new gdm
[08:54] <mostafa> hello there I have a problem when I restart or shutdown the system says "* will now restart"
[08:54] <mostafa> and it stops for me
[08:56] <mostafa> and when I press alt+ctrl+del it says "[178.969986] md:stopping all md devices."
[08:56] <mostafa> any help would be appreciated :D plz
[08:56] <mostafa> can anyone help?
[08:57] <skazi21101> that normal output
[08:58] <skazi21101> but *will testart not
[08:58] <skazi21101> gooogle your problem
[08:58] <mostafa> skazi21101: I googled it very much but no use :(
[08:59] <mostafa> skazi21101: I mean it doesn't restart or shutdown normally and I must press alt+ctrl+del
[08:59] <mostafa> if I don't it doesn't go any further and stops
[09:00] <spO> how do i change all the files and direcotries that match a gid to another gid?  (ie, change all files with group IAMLAMER to group IAMELITE )
[09:14] <spO> are any of you able to install fglrx/ati drivers or whatever display drivers you have on a custom kernel?
[09:38] <rysh> oliveraa1ango:  irssi v0.8.12
[09:38] <rysh> O sorry :-p
[09:42] <mac_v> mostafa: i'v noticed the same problem , but not consistent for me , occurred 1 or 2 times
[09:44] <mostafa> mac_v: what is your version?
[09:44] <mac_v> mostafa: karmic! we are in ubuntu+1 ;p
[09:45] <wouter2> i am on lazy lama though...
[09:45] <mostafa> karmic alpha4?
[09:45] <mac_v> yes
[09:47] <mostafa> but I have jaunty
[09:47] <mac_v> mostafa: then ask in #ubuntu
[09:48] <mostafa> ok thnx
[09:48] <mostafa> mac_v: how could I get all channels?
[09:49] <mac_v> !irc
[09:49] <mac_v> mostafa: ^
[10:19] <joem_> does anybody know how to play output sound through the line-in on a sound card with alsa. There used to be an option in gnome volume settings but it isn't there in the new version
[10:37] <skazi21101> my fglrx fails in boot process. can somebody help me with this?
[10:38] <skazi21101> system going into console and grafic mode don`t work
[11:11] <jonah1980> hey guys, having a screen resolution problem and karmic doesn't seem to have an xorg.conf? i need to add a custom resolution in as my screen is all chunky looking... how can i do this for karmic/
[11:11] <jonah1980> ?
[11:11] <jonah1980> thanks for any help...
[11:11] <syn-ack> X doesnt really rely on the config file anymore
[11:12] <syn-ack> jonah1980: more and more of the configuration is happening thru dbus and the like but you can still add your custom settings in the config file as long as they're valid
[11:12] <jonah1980> i think there should be an option in the display bit to do a custom res, would be a lot easier for many...
[11:13] <syn-ack> There is, in the config file. :P
[11:13] <syn-ack> check out the config files manpage... iirc there still is one
[11:14] <syn-ack> jonah1980: now as for the exact syntax... I havent messed with it in so long I dont remember it right off hand so even I'd have to look it up
[11:14] <jonah1980> ok so can anyone guide me to add 1366 x 768
[11:14] <syn-ack> netbook?
[11:14] <jonah1980> yeah netbook
[11:14] <jonah1980> but it's 11" not 10...
[11:14] <jonah1980> it's the 1101ha eee
[11:15] <syn-ack> wouter2: isnt thtat what you have?
[11:18] <jonah1980> also my netbook edition has an annoying thing in the app bar with the desktop, i don't need the desktop to be minmiseable but can't turn it off... i've set it to desktop view, but it has it in the panel as if the desktop is "open" like a running app or something
[11:19] <syn-ack> jonah1980: I know hardly anything about UNR
[11:19] <jonah1980> syn-ack: do you know where this man page is and what config file i need to look at for the resolution?
[11:19] <jonah1980> is it in the dbus folder?
[11:20] <syn-ack> no
[11:20] <syn-ack> man 5 xorg.conf
[11:21] <bazz-dee> hello
[11:22] <jonah1980> syn-ack: where's the man 5 folder?
[11:22] <syn-ack> type that at the terminal prompt
[11:24] <jonah1980> syn-ack: but there's no xorg anymore so i don't know what i'm looking for...
[11:24] <bazz-dee> hey, anybody experienced crashes of the keyboard shortcut application?
[11:25] <jonah1980> syn-ack: when i type that it asks what manual page from that section i want...
[11:27] <jonah1980> hi does anyone please know how to change the resolution in karmic?
[11:29] <skazi21101> my noutbook boot in text mode? it can`t boot in grafic mode. what can i do to boot in grafic mode?
[11:29] <skazi21101> it says fglrx fail
[11:35] <jonah1980> syn-ack: hi, found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1221654&highlight=karmic+resolution   but it doesn't make much sense to me, is there an easier way to alter screen res, like can i add a line in grub or something?
[11:39] <syn-ack> jonah1980: try this: in a terminal type sudo dpk-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:39] <syn-ack> jonah1980: pick your driver, then pick your resolutions
[11:39] <syn-ack> I cant believe I forgot about that
[11:40] <jonah1980> syn-ack: it says package x is not installed
[11:41] <syn-ack> how did you install your system?
[11:41] <jonah1980> syn-ack: from the live-cd
[11:41] <syn-ack> Jaunty liveCD or Karmic?
[11:41] <jonah1980> syn-ack: karmic
[11:41] <syn-ack> Hrm
[11:42] <syn-ack> Im wondering if thats a bug... I havent installed via a kermic daily image yet....
[11:42] <jonah1980> syn-ack: seems karmic has a new way of doing things which doesn't include changing screen resolutions to the one you want..?
[11:42] <syn-ack> bull
[11:42] <syn-ack> ubuntu is ubuntu as it is debian in many ways
[11:43] <syn-ack> jonah1980: is the command startx availible to you at the terminal prompt?
[11:43] <jonah1980> syn-ack: yeah it says it's already active
[11:44] <syn-ack> jonah1980: and did you type exactly this? sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:45] <jonah1980> syn-ack: hi just did it again and this time it just gave me another prompt, didn't as for a screen res etc, just another prompt but no error, so i must of spelt it wrong...
[11:45] <syn-ack> What you SHOULD get is a curses based screen
[11:46] <jonah1980> syn-ack: no just a new prompt at this end...
[11:46] <syn-ack> And you typed EXACTLY what I asked you?
[11:47] <jonah1980> syn-ack: yeah exact, even cut and pasted it
[11:47] <syn-ack> hrm
[11:47] <jonah1980> syn-ack: is it because karmic doesn't use xorg?
[11:47] <syn-ack> It DOES use it
[11:47] <syn-ack> thats the point I've been trying to nail into you
[11:48] <syn-ack> It works here even
[11:48] <syn-ack> jonah1980: Check for some installer bugs on Launchpad
[11:48] <jonah1980> syn-ack: its just when i do a sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf as i used to if ever had screen issues it just says file not found
[11:49] <jonah1980> but if i do locate xorg.conf, i get: /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.gz
[11:49] <syn-ack> seriously check on Launchpad.... There may be some serious installer bugs
[11:50] <sash_> jonah1980:  ubuntu tries not to use the xorg.conf since hardy, i think. hal shall do the configuration
[11:51] <syn-ack> sash_: right but he should be able to still add custom res's to it
[11:51] <jonah1980> sash, hal huh? so is there a config file for hal i can add the resolution to?
[11:51] <syn-ack> and thats not an ubuntu thing thats an x thing for the most part, SuSe's the same way
[11:52] <syn-ack> jonah1980: see, what I do is install Jaunty then run "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" to get Karmic installed
[11:53] <jonah1980> syn-ack: the issue i had though was i had no wifi or ethernet on new netbook so i jaunty wouldn't work, tried ndiswrapper and all sorts so installed karmic and wifi works and ethernet out of box, but now i cant change my screen res!
[11:53] <syn-ack> sash_: AFAIK, if an xorg.conf is there, its going to parse it and add to what hal/dbus discovers
[11:54] <sash_> syn-ack:  xorg.conf is still read. i allways have it
[11:54] <syn-ack> right
[11:54] <jonah1980> but i don't have an xorg.conf file...
[11:54] <syn-ack> Thats my point, and performing and dpkg-reconfigure to it will add those lines and such so he can have it
[11:55] <syn-ack> however, it sounds like whats going on is he's missing some important things and why? I dont know
[11:55] <jonah1980> so is there a way to install an xorg.conf file then?
[11:55] <syn-ack> just touch it
[11:58] <jonah1980> syn-ack: can i apt-get install something that will put xorg.conf in for me?
[11:58] <syn-ack> You're making this much more difficult than it really is
[11:59] <jonah1980> syn-ack: i know, but that's because i'm really stuck, sorry i just don't know how to change this resolution
[11:59] <syn-ack> jonah1980: "sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:59] <syn-ack> without the quotes
[12:01] <jonah1980> syn-ack: ok done that but the file is empty, when i run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, it just gives me another prompt and the xorg.conf is still empty...
[12:01] <sash_> jonah1980:  then you will have to enter all the things _manually_ (google for syntax) and restart your xserver afaik
[12:01] <jonah1980> is there a way to install jaunty but with the backports in from the start, because i have no internet on jaunty on this machine - like a fedora respin type of thing, custom iso?
[12:04] <sash_> jonah1980:  if you dont have drivers for your network-card, you could also look for the drivers and patch your kernel. will have to do this, too, when i install lenny the next days.
[12:43] <jonah1980> aw what a stresser this is haha. i've created an xorg.conf then i tried Xorg -configure, but it did a segfault or something, and tried dkpg reconfigure thing and then had some stuff in xorg but when booted it said it couldn't find a screen, tried adding custom resolution in also but it wouldn't work. so deleted contents of xorg.conf and i'm back on but with a bad resolution again... can anyone give me something
[12:43] <jonah1980>  i can paste into xorg.conf that should work and is pretty standard that i can add resolutions to?
[12:49] <jonah1980> i also don't understand why sudo dpkg reconfigure phigh etc isn't giving me any options to choose display or antyhing, it doesn't seem to do anything and just gives me a prompt. can anyone please help change my resolution to 1366x768 in karmic?
[12:55] <danbhfive> jonah1980: still no net connection?
[12:56] <jonah1980> danbhfive: yeah got my connection now, but running karmic!
[12:56] <jonah1980> danbhfive: so thanks loads for your help, it worked out of box
[12:57] <jonah1980> danbhfive: but now it's the resolution on my screen, it's all stretched and horrible
[12:57] <danbhfive> jonah1980: yeah, I saw.  have you tried xrandr?
[12:57] <jonah1980> danbhfive: what's xrandr?
[12:58] <danbhfive> jonah1980: its a configuration util for screens, ie resolution
[12:59] <jonah1980> danbhfive: ah fantastic, so can i use it to change to 1366x768?
[12:59] <jonah1980> danbhfive: i just did xrandr at term and it says Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[13:00] <danbhfive> jonah1980: yeah, its not detecting it
[13:01] <jonah1980> danbhfive: man that really sucks. i spent 3 hours last night and i've spent a couple today trying to get this flaming netbook using linux, what a pain in the rear, would help if i knew a bit more what i was doing but i feel like a zombie!
[13:01] <danbhfive> jonah1980: I know there are ways of forcing modes, but I have no experience
[13:02] <danbhfive> !xrandr
[13:04] <danbhfive> jonah1980: maybe: xrandr -s 1366x768
[13:05] <jonah1980> danbhfive: that doesnt seem to do anything, just gives me a prompt and when i type xrandr again it says same as before
[13:07] <jonah1980> danbhfive: the manual says it's something like this but i don't know if i should put s-video, lvds or what? xrandr --addmode S-video 1366x768
[13:08] <danbhfive> jonah1980: well, you don't want s-video, that is for s-video output
[13:08] <danbhfive> jonah1980: use VGA
[13:08] <jonah1980> danbhfive: ok will try it
[13:09] <jonah1980> danbhfive: it says cannot find output vga
[13:09] <danbhfive> yeah, I think there is a way for it to tell you the names
[13:10] <jonah1980> danbhfive: i don't suppose you could have a look at xrandr man for me and see what command i may need to use please?
[13:10] <jonah1980> danbhfive, this is a minefield to me
[13:10] <danbhfive> jonah1980: I'm finding the man complicated
[13:11] <danbhfive> jonah1980: try the add mode without anything specified
[13:11] <jonah1980> danbhfive: that just shows me the man page...
[13:12] <danbhfive> jonah1980: o wait, I think I get it, can you pastebin the output of xrandr?
[13:13] <jonah1980> danbhfive: http://pastebin.ca/1530425
[13:14] <danbhfive> jonah1980: try 'default'   I think that is the name of the output
[13:15] <jonah1980> danbhfive: that just gives me cannot find mode "1366x768"
[13:15] <jonah1980> danbhfive: this is the command i put xrandr --addmode default 1366x768
[13:16] <danbhfive> xrandr --output default --mode 1366x768
[13:17] <jonah1980> danbhfive: that gives me xrandr: cannot find mode 1366x768
[13:17] <jonah1980> danbhfive: this thing is a killer
[13:17] <danbhfive> jonah1980: it could just be a bug
[13:18] <danbhfive> jonah1980: did you install this side by side with jaunty?  or over jaunty?
[13:18] <jonah1980> danbhfive: just over top of jaunty from fresh as i had no wifi or ethernet in jaunty
[13:19] <jonah1980> danbhfive: screen res wasn;t good in jaunty either
[13:19] <danbhfive> jonah1980: yeah, your only option may be to file a bug report.  At least for me, I don't think I can help you
[13:28] <jonah1980> danbhfive: ok well thanks a lot for trying for me
[13:34] <nasser> hello guys
[13:35] <regel> well hello
[13:35] <nasser> Can I change the font size in notify-osd ? it's too small for me (getting old).
[13:40] <rapha> Hi!
[13:40] <penguin42> Hi
[13:41] <rapha> Just installed Karmic on a box with an Nvidia 6600LE or so and the screen's all garbled ... anything I can do to get X working?
[13:44]  * penguin42 doesn't have Nvidia
[13:45] <rapha> anybody else? :P
[13:46] <Jeruvy> !nvidia
[13:46] <rapha> this is before even trying to do so Jeruvy
[13:46] <Jeruvy> did you install the drivers?
[13:47] <rapha> oh you're telling me i should!
[13:47] <Jeruvy> only if you'd like it to work :P
[13:47] <rapha> yes :)
[13:47] <rapha> okay okay
[13:47]  * rapha tries
[13:50] <rapha> hmmm i guess -180 will be best
[13:51] <mandara> what is the package name for hotkeys like 'sleep button' on laptop?
[13:51] <mandara> hotkeys-setup ?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Hello all
[13:55] <penguin42> Hi
[13:56] <rapha> Jeruvy: no change after aptitude install'ing nvidia-glx-180
[13:58] <penguin42> rapha: Just checking; you get some display but it's mashed up - or you get no display ?
[13:58] <rapha> mashed is an understatement
[13:59] <rapha> i do get some ... red-pink-greenish vertical lines and the entire screen is blinking as if some gnome sat in there and kept turning the light off and on
[13:59] <penguin42> hmm - does it look like it's trying to display what it should and the monitor has switched to the right res?
[13:59] <penguin42> ah - so near to nothing
[13:59] <rapha> box isn't hung up or anything tho, can still get all the vc's
[14:00] <rapha> yeah, definitely no screen problem but a graphics adaptor one
[14:00] <rapha> working fine in winxp and 9.04 also
[14:03] <Jeruvy> rapha: you're probably going to need to modify the xorg.conf, I had modified mine, but I used the nvidia settings tool since I at least had working generic drivers.  I take it you have no X at all?
[14:05] <rapha> heheh
[14:05] <rapha> no xorg.conf in karmic anymore :)
[14:06] <penguin42> you can put one in
[14:06] <rapha> how do i get it created in the first place? don't know all the structure and so on by heart...
[14:07] <penguin42> find one on the net :-) But you shouldn't need one in principal
[14:07] <rapha> hmm
[14:07] <rapha> Jeruvy: yes, no X at all
[14:10] <Jeruvy> like I said, I got mine working with a hand build xorg.conf (copied and modified from jaunty)
[14:11] <mac_v> is there a way to enabled timed lock-screen? if there is i'm just not able to find it!
[14:13] <penguin42> mac_v: Preferences->screensaver at the bottom is the 'Regard the computer as idle after ... minutes' and then 'activate screensaver when computer is idle' and 'lock screen when screensaver is active'
[14:14] <mac_v> penguin42: the problem is that my screensaver doesnt activate :( , i have to debug gpm , the workaround is locking the screen , else i'm getting screen burn-in!
[14:15] <rapha> maybe i should do an update
[14:15] <penguin42> ah, the screensavers haven't been happy lately - it hasn't been locking for me on hibernate
[14:16] <ripps> mac_v: yeah, my screensaver doesn't seem to work automatically anymore. I've setup a keystroke on my computer to activate screensaver when I press ctrl+enter
[14:16] <mac_v> hmm... is there a bug already ? about these problems...?
[14:16] <penguin42> ripps: There's a standard combo of ctrl-alt-l
[14:17] <ripps> penguin42: yeah, but that locks my screen, I don't really care to that, besides, ctrl-enter is useful because I can do it with wminput and my wiimote
[14:17] <jrgp> do nvidia drivers work with karma alpha4?
[14:17] <penguin42> jrgp: There are some people who seem to have problems with them
[14:17] <mac_v> ripps: my keyboard shortcuts dont work! :( the layout crashes! :( i forgot bug # ,let me check
[14:17] <jrgp> is it safe to say that upgrading a dual monitor 64 bit jaunty system to karmic will break the GUI?
[14:18] <mac_v> not even Alt+F2
[14:18] <jrgp> (nvidia geforce)
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> jrgp: i'm running aplha 4
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> dual screen
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> 32 bit
[14:18] <jrgp> what's your gfx card?
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> and i can play wow
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM)] (rev a1)
[14:18] <jrgp> hmm
[14:18] <jrgp> also, my /home is a raid5 array spread across 4 drives using mdadm
[14:19] <jrgp> will that break?
[14:19] <Ian_Corne> anything CAN break
[14:19] <penguin42> jrgp: It shouldn't - but this is an alpha
[14:19] <penguin42> jrgp: Alpha releases might eat your cat; but they shouldn't
[14:19] <jrgp> yeah..I usually avoid betas on this system since it almost always screws the gui
[14:20] <mac_v> Bug #412732
[14:20] <jrgp> karmic alpha 3 runs great on my laptop though (system76 daru2 circa 2007)
[14:20] <Ian_Corne> I found this one for nvidia stable tbh
[14:20] <Ian_Corne> since alpha 1
[14:20] <jrgp> hmm
[14:21] <jrgp> I apologize for not RTFM'ing prior to this, but will there be an alpha 6 or will it jump straight to final release?
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> had to use 2.6.30 for a while but now it's all good
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> releasescheduele
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> is in the topic
[14:21] <jrgp> ah, there we go. irssi wasn't showing all of it :/
[14:23] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[15:45] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Will I be able to upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic on my tiny 4GB SSD?
[15:50] <kklimonda> how to enable ctrl alt backspace in 9.10?
[15:52] <crimsun> should be in GNOME prefs
[15:52] <crimsun> (dontzap is now obsolete)
[15:53] <EagleScreen> kklimonda: use Alt + Impr + K
[15:53] <crimsun> setxkbmap -option "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
[15:53] <crimsun> "
[15:53] <Ian_Corne> what's Impr?
[15:53] <EagleScreen> it is a key
[15:53] <kklimonda> right, setxkbmap - I was looking in google for setkbd
[15:53] <EagleScreen> Impr pant Pet Sis
[15:53] <Ian_Corne> EagleScreen: ok but which key
[15:54] <crimsun> Ian_Corne: sysrq
[15:54] <Ian_Corne> ah
[15:54] <kklimonda> crimsun: where is the option located in gnome prefs?
[15:54] <EagleScreen> it is ussually near to F12 key
[15:54] <kklimonda> (I've checked out keyboard preferenceS)
[15:54] <kklimonda> and it seems I can't launch keyboard shortcuts :)
[15:58] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I wish Pulseaudio didn't have so many problems.
[16:04] <arand> kklimonda: is dontzap not available in KK?
[16:04] <kklimonda> arand: it was removed
[16:06] <crimsun> xcdfgkjhgcv: don't we all?
[16:11] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Rhythmbox needs volume leveling.
[16:15] <crimsun> aka replaygain?
[16:15] <crimsun> i'm fairly certain it already does [if the track already contains said info]
[16:17] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Ahhhhh it was disabled.
[17:02] <enyc> Hrrrm...   packages.ubuntu.com  [sulfur.canonical.com]  stopped working!  maybe maintenance?
[17:03] <EagleScreen> not
[17:03] <EagleScreen> canonocal is closed
[17:03] <EagleScreen> Oracle has bought it
[17:06] <mac_v> lol
[17:07] <mac_v> EagleScreen: BTW , its Canonical ;p
[17:08] <mac_v> crimsun: hi... the option "Alert Volume" in Sound Preferences, what does it control ,  system sounds?
[17:08] <mac_v> or system beeps?
[17:10] <jpds> enyc: Yeah, it does that sometimes.
[17:18] <jpds> enyc: Should be back now.
[17:20] <tgpraveen1> anyone here tried opensolaris?
[17:21] <enyc> jpds: indeed ;-) thanks
[17:21] <ikonia> tgpraveen1: check the topic
[17:22] <tgpraveen1> ikonia: sorry pasted in wrong channel
[17:22] <ikonia> tgpraveen1: not a problem
[17:26] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Was it you that was following Firefox upgrade behaviour?
[17:34] <mistya> excuse me http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=59725 ??
[17:34] <kklimonda> ?
[17:35] <mistya> what is this?
[17:35] <kklimonda> indicator applet
[17:35] <mistya> uhm.. What does?
[17:36] <mistya> kklimonda, what does this applet?
[17:37] <nasser> Hello, I'm trying to modify the font size in notifyOSD. How can I do that ?
[17:37] <kklimonda> mistya: displays information from various applications
[17:38] <kklimonda> mistya: new mails, new IM messages etc.
[17:40] <mistya> kklimonda, i use empathy and Skype but this applet don't work
[17:40] <kklimonda> they have to support it - I think empathy is going to get a patch for it but there is nothing we can do about skype
[17:41] <mistya> ^.^ right
[17:41] <mistya> thx kklimond.. For now it is useless, but will work tomorrow
[17:42]  * penguin42 notes if you are already running ff3.5 and you get an upgrade dialog do NOT select 'keep firefox 3.5 bookmarks' - this gives you the default 3.5 ones
[17:45] <mac_v> penguin42: actually no... for me the ff3.5 bookmarks were transfered
[17:45] <penguin42> mac_v: Just lost mine :-(((
[17:46] <penguin42> oh well, should have backed them up
[17:46] <bjsnider> they're still there
[17:46] <mac_v> penguin42: thats bad...extensions?
[17:46] <bjsnider> look for a bookmarks.html file
[17:46] <penguin42> bjsnider: I did, no look
[17:46] <bjsnider> should be in ~/.mozilla
[17:46] <penguin42> mac_v: Nothing too odd I don't think#
[17:47] <penguin42> bjsnider: I grepped for one of the ones I knew I had, I found some old ff3.0 bookmark files, but not the 3.5 ones I've been using for the last few months
[17:47] <bjsnider> verily that doth sucketh
[17:47] <penguin42> indeedeth
[17:47] <mac_v> i would loose my mind if i lost bookmarks !
[17:48]  * mac_v uses Xmarks
[17:48] <bjsnider> the question about keeping the bookmarks is ambiguous at best
[17:48] <penguin42> I think the one I clicked was something like 'Keep Firefox 3.5 bookmarks'
[17:52] <loonyphoenix> what's happening on karmic-changes? what's this flood of updates? (not that I'm complaining... just curious) A pull from debian?
[17:55]  * penguin42 pushes launchpad from behind
[17:55] <akio> loonyphoenix, did you figure it out yet?
[17:56] <loonyphoenix> not really
[17:59] <akio> its really comforting to see how many people are involved with Linux releases
[18:03] <Pafuin> I need some help
[18:03] <Pafuin> sudo airmon-ng start wlan0
[18:04] <Pafuin> ath9k - [phy0]/usr/local/sbin/airmon-ng: 856: cannot create /sys/class/ieee80211/phy0/add_iface: Directory nonexistent
[18:04] <Pafuin> mon0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[18:43] <ryanakca> Anybody else getting "E: Failed to fetch http://localhost:9999/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mono/mono-2.0-gac_<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-1_all.deb: Size mismatch" (s/localhost:9999/archiveubuntu.com/) when trying to upgrade?
[18:47] <kklimonda> ryanakca: problem with your mirror?
[18:47] <itswhatev> yo what up
[18:49] <ryanakca> kklimonda: I don't think so, I ran apt-get update, it should sync.
[18:56] <spO> any of you sucessfully installed ati/fglrx on a custom kernel? I made kernel 2.6.30-4 , but it does not seem to work on that system. I tried to "activate" it through device manager, but it didn't want to go
[18:59] <eagles0513875> hey guys grats on alpha 4 miles stone
[19:32] <joem_> does anybody know how to play output sound through the line-in on a sound card with alsa. There used to be an option in gnome volume settings but it isn't there in the new version
[19:32] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yes , someone pointed out a bug about right clicking on webpage in FF creates a block on loading photos that can be reset in: edit/preferences/conent/load images automatically/exceptions
[19:32] <andresmh> I updated pulse and now sound is not working. Not sure how to best file a bug report. Could anyone advise?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I had some images on some fav websites that wouldn't load due to this known bug .
[19:35] <andresmh> What is the best way to test audio?
[19:35] <andresmh> (input and output)
[19:36] <andresmujica> andresmh you're probably affected by a recent regression, check with alsamixer if your pcm volume is muted.  the best way to report the bug is using ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[19:36] <andresmh> it's not playing audio on Flash videos but I would like to test in some other way to make sure it's not a Flash issue
[19:36] <wirechief> andresmh check this link for tips: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[19:38] <andresmh> thanks andresmujica. I don't see pcm volume muted. How do you know it's alsa-base and not pulse?
[19:38] <andresmh> just wondering
[19:41] <andresmujica> oh well, it's with pulseaudio but is standard procedure.  open the bug pls.  i must go now
[19:41] <andresmh> ok, thanks.
[19:41] <andresmh> wirechief, does that page also apply to Karmic?
[19:42] <wirechief> ubuntu
[19:42] <wirechief> but there might be some subtle changes, the alsa info is key it gives a road map of your sound system for others to help you.
[19:44] <wirechief> after you run the tests you can file a bug report with your alsa info as an attachment using ubuntu-bug alsabase collects other relavent information too.
[19:55] <andresmh_> thanks wirechief, I reported my bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/414165
[19:56] <andresmh_> how can I revert the updates that messed up my sound while the bug is fixed?
[20:03] <wirechief> andreshm_ looks like the ubuntu-bug is plugging lots of useful information now, I am not sure where or if the alsa devs are getting notified
[20:04] <wirechief> alsa dev's have a seperate mail-list they watch and help users with.
[20:05] <wirechief> your codec does have a model option so it has been worked on.
[20:06] <mistya> HI, why banshee don't start on my karmic box?
[20:11] <fatbrain> mistya: No error message?
[20:12] <mistya> no :(
[20:12] <fatbrain> mistya: try run the banshee from a terminal window.
[20:12] <fatbrain> i.e. fire up gnome-terminal and type banshee and hit enter
[20:12] <wirechief> andresmh_ did your update bring a new kernel with it ? you can check in /var/log/dpkg.log for the date of recent updates and what got updated
[20:13] <mistya>
[20:13] <mistya> Yes, I understand. I tried but nothing happens ..
[20:14] <mistya> fatbrain (excuse me for my english)
[20:15] <andresmh_> wirechief, the latest kernel update i see is: 2009-08-06 00:16:33 status installed linux-image-generic <IP_ADDRESS>.16
[20:16] <wirechief> andreshm_ hmm can you boot to the earlier kernel and see if your issue is still there ?
[20:17] <wirechief> sometimes new kernels bring regressions for some codecs.
[20:17] <andresmh_> yeah, but my sonud was working fine until an update I did more recently. I have the feeling it might be related to Pulse.
[20:17] <andresmh_> I do see pulse updates as recent as 2009-08-15 11:46:09 status installed pulseaudio 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu6
[20:18] <wirechief> well that could be, use lsof to see whats using your sound
[20:18] <wirechief> lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*   # lists all apps using soundcard #OSS uses /dev/dsp*   alsa uses /dev/snd/*  OSS does not allow mixing so you get this error: Device or resource busy
[20:19] <andresmh_> wirechief, it returned: pulseaudi 3642 andresmh   22u   CHR  116,6      0t0 5061 /dev/snd/controlC0
[20:19] <wirechief> k well sounds like your right.
[20:20] <wirechief> you can temporarily disable it .
[20:20] <andresmh_> disable pulse?
[20:20] <andresmh_> if so, how? :)
[20:21] <wirechief> well i would try killall -9 pulseaudio     (see if it dies)
[20:22] <wirechief> then check for it again.
[20:22] <andresmh_> ah, that did it. Cool!
[20:22] <wirechief> might not be the most elagant method but it works.
[20:22] <wirechief> well now see if you got sound
[20:22] <andresmh_> what is the best way to test the sound output btw? I typically use YouTube but I can see some problems with that approach...
[20:23] <andresmh_> is there a more low level way to test it?
[20:23] <wirechief> i dont think there is a "best" way, there are so many ways sound is used. some use speaker-test for testing
[20:23] <andresmh_> ah, you know, pulseaudio is back :-/
[20:23] <andresmh_> actually, now I see 2 pulseaudios
[20:24] <andresmh_> yeah, i killed it again, and in about 3 seconds it's back
[20:24] <wirechief> yep its like a bad penny
[20:24] <wirechief> hehe.
[20:24] <andresmh_> speaker-test does "work"
[20:24] <andresmh_> it makes noises
[20:24] <wirechief> speaker-test -Dsurround51:Live -c6 -twav
[20:25] <wirechief> thats one that ppl use
[20:25] <wirechief> not sure what your system has, i didnt see alsa info in your report.
[20:25] <andresmh_> Playback open error: -19,No such device
[20:25] <wirechief> speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0,0 -twav
[20:26] <wirechief> another one
[20:26] <wirechief> i have a lenovo too, ill see what works here
[20:26] <andresmh_> that worked. I heard a woman saying "front left"
[20:26] <wirechief> ok
[20:26] <andresmh_> and "front right"
[20:27] <wirechief> ok well that gives some idea that sound is present
[20:27] <wirechief> i think it tests left right center if your using that.
[20:28] <andresmh_> you know, audio on Adobe Flash now is working
[20:28] <andresmh_> umm
[20:28] <andresmh_> interesting
[20:28] <andresmh_> is there a speaker-test equivalent for the microphone?
[20:28] <wirechief> well all i can say is play with it.   yes
[20:29] <wirechief>  arecord -Ddefault:1 -f cd -vv /dev/null #talk into the mic and watch the volume meter at the bottom of the output for movement of the #'s and changes in the number %
[20:29] <andresmh_> i think these commands should be added to the Sound Docs
[20:30] <wirechief> well at least to the link i gave you.
[20:30] <andresmh_> yeah
[20:30] <wirechief> dtchen has been the dev that made it
[20:30] <andresmh_> so i got errors with arecord
[20:30] <wirechief> its really pretty good but there are limitations. i got most of my stuff in #alsa
[20:30] <andresmh_> ALSA lib conf.c:3952:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 1 ALSA lib pcm.c:2211:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default:1   arecord: main:608: audio open error: Invalid argument
[20:31] <wirechief> also your codec showed you could use 3stack for model options
[20:32] <andresmh_> my codec? I thought I have many codecs installed and the software picks the appropriate one depending on what it's trying to play
[20:32] <andresmh_> and what is model options?
[20:33] <wirechief> you need to review that soundtroubleshooting link, it shows how to use model options and where to put it.  alsa-base.conf (i think)
[20:34] <wirechief> specific codecs have had options added for sound by alsa devs
[20:34] <Gumby> has anyone here seen issues with skype in 64bit 9.10?  I had it working just fine, then updated, and now it wont run.
[20:34] <DanaG> wow, I never knew arecord had a volume thingamajigger.
[20:34] <wirechief> that allow a more flexable and robust use of sound
[20:35] <wirechief> sound sometimes just works but not for what most users want.
[20:35] <wirechief> when  bugs are filed and they review the alsa-info they can write specific model options for that codec
[20:36] <DanaG> I: (alsa-lib)confmisc.c: Unable to find definition 'cards.USB-Audio.pcm.surround71.0:CARD=2'
[20:36] <DanaG> I: (alsa-lib)conf.c: function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory
[20:36] <DanaG> argh... no such file or directory?
[20:43] <chrisccoulson> anyone here know how to disable pulseaudio autospawning?
[20:44] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to debug some gnome-settings-daemon crashers and i could do with disabling it
[20:44] <DanaG> hmm, I  think that's in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[20:44] <DanaG> er
[20:44] <DanaG> client.conf
[20:45] <wirechief> andresmh_ i found this in my notes: gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf if the file exists, go to the bottom of the file and add this line: options snd-hda-intel model=3stack
[20:45] <chrisccoulson> DanaG - excellent, thanks:)
[20:46]  * DanaG wishes crimsun / dtchen were here.  =þ
[20:46] <DanaG> I: (alsa-lib)confmisc.c: Unable to find definition 'cards.USB-Audio.pcm.surround71.0:CARD=2'            I: (alsa-lib)conf.c: function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory            I: (alsa-lib)conf.c: Evaluate error: No such file or directory            I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM surround71:2
[20:46] <wirechief> andresh_ also i think you need to reboot for it to take, the 3stack is if you have 3 jacks associated with your sound.
[20:46] <andresmh_> wirechief, cool. I added the line.
[20:46] <DanaG> Something to do with udev initializing things in the wrong order, I heard.
[20:46] <andresmh_> ok, will reboot ...
[20:46] <andresmh_> brb
[20:48] <wirechief> DanaG i think crimsun is no longer being used, he does frequent #alsa as dtchen
[20:55] <EruditeHermit> hi, anyone else noticed that when restarting, the machine no longer seems to go to the grub menu
[21:27] <darrenm_> Hello, can anyone help me with a md RAID issue I have since upgrading to Karmic?
[21:28] <penguin42> I'm not running RAID on karmic, but I've done raid previously - what's your problem?
[21:29] <darrenm_> It won't boot, I've got /boot on a standard ext3 partition, with / on /dev/md0 and /home on /dev/md1...
[21:29] <darrenm_> It now can't find either /dev/md1 or /dev/md0
[21:29] <darrenm_> It drops me to a busybox prompt where I can't really do much to troubleshoot
[21:30] <penguin42> if you cat /proc/partitions can you see the devices that should make it up?
[21:30] <darrenm_> The array is fine if I boot from a live CD
[21:30] <darrenm_> they are there if I ls /dev/sd*
[21:30] <bjsnider> maybe this is a grub2 problem
[21:31] <darrenm_> in busybox if I do /sbin/mdadm --assemble --scan it says mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0 mdadm: no devices found for /dev/nd1
[21:32] <darrenm_> */dev/md1
[21:32] <penguin42> darrenm_: Are they there at the busybox prompt in /proc/partitions?
[21:32] <darrenm_> yep all there
[21:33] <darrenm_> Seems to be the same as this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/380748 but this is a dupe of one that was fixed a while ago apparently
[21:33] <darrenm_> thanks ubottu - but I upgraded last night, that fix has apparently been out 2 weeks
[21:35] <darrenm_> hmmmm hold on in /proc/partitions I can see dm-0 dm-1 dm-3 dm-4
[21:35] <penguin42> darrenm_: Might be worth reopening the bug
[21:35] <greg-g> mac_v: what would you suggest is the right course of action to have the compiz scroll-wheel bug addressed if not by the papercuts team which introduced the bug?
[21:35] <penguin42> darrenm_: Are the md built directly on partitions?
[21:36] <darrenm_> dm-0 and dm-1 seem to be about the right size for my md's
[21:36] <darrenm_> yes on partitions. /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 is /
[21:36] <darrenm_> /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 make /dev/md1 which is /home
[21:37] <mac_v> greg-g: compiz is already assigned as the affects , they have to fix the bug
[21:38] <greg-g> mac_v: even if the bug was introduced by the patch applied by the papercut fix?
[21:38] <darrenm_> I'll re-open the bug thanks.
[21:38] <penguin42> darrenm_: Not sure then - other than reopening that bug; watching for log errors when trying to do the -- assemble
[21:39] <mac_v> greg-g: papercuts is just a team , they *dont* actually write the patches , just push the concerned devs to patch the app
[21:39] <darrenm_> Hmmm I think this easy DMRAID thing in Karmic is screwing things up.
[21:39] <greg-g> mac_v: right, I know, but they are also responsible for the pushing to get that fix in compiz, which caused this bug, so I thought they should know about it as there was apparently no regression testing.
[21:40] <penguin42> darrenm_: What's that? I thought dmraid was mostly for using raid on bios/chipsets that did raid in software
[21:40] <darrenm_> When I boot a Karmic alternate CD and try to configure the software RAID it only sees nvidia_beeeccbda
[21:41] <nacho_> Hi
[21:41] <darrenm_> which is how it refers to the BIOS software RAID. I always ignored that and used Linux MD RAID
[21:41] <nacho_> anybody knows how to set the micboost for alsa in karmic?
[21:41] <nacho_> I need it for skype
[21:41] <mac_v> greg-g: your concerns are valid , the idea was not the problem , it could have created the problem , but the project needs to have made the patch solid and not buggy, do you see the difference
[21:42] <darrenm_> I'll re-open the bug I think. Maybe a regression from DMRAID support out of the box in Karmic.
[21:42] <DanaG> [   17.696293] [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed
[21:42] <DanaG> [   34.470703] [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed
[21:42] <DanaG> [   34.734284] [drm:radeon_cp_cmdbuf] *ERROR* radeon_cp_cmdbuf called without lock held, held  0 owner (null) ffff8801360ad000
[21:42] <darrenm_> Thanks for your help.
[21:43] <mac_v> DanaG: hehe always have some probs ;p
[21:43] <DanaG> Yup, I've also had issues where i915 decides to load, for god-only-knows what reason.
[21:43] <DanaG> I don't have an Intel IGP... so why is i915 loading?  =P
[21:44] <penguin42> DanaG: Are you sure you haven't on the motherboard but it's disabled?
[21:44] <bjsnider> DanaG, ubuntu is determined that you should have one
[21:44] <DanaG> I'm sure of it... lspci shows only the ATI card.
[21:44] <greg-g> by "the project" you mean compiz? I don't see them involved with this patch. this was an Ubuntu patch, not upstream (from what I can tell). So the difference is that the patch created in response to hundredpapercuts pushing was not tested/reviewed fully ("made solid" in your terminology).
[21:44] <mac_v> greg-g: also , we alpha users are the regression testing team ;p
[21:44] <greg-g> mac_v: ^
[21:44] <penguin42> DanaG: OK
[21:45] <DanaG> And oddly enough, even blacklisting it doesn't stop it!
[21:45] <greg-g> mac_v: indeed we are :)
[21:45] <DanaG> I had to actually add something in rc.local to dpkg-divert the actual module out of the way!
[21:46] <DanaG> oh yeah, is there any way to get the kernel to be "quiet" on tty0 but verbose on ttyS0?
[21:46] <penguin42> does console=ttyS0 not do it?
[21:47] <mac_v> greg-g: no , it was never an upstream patch , it was changed in compiz(ubuntu) , it was just a matter of changing the defaults. i think travis would know more about it
[21:47] <greg-g> mac_v: should I reopen the original bug then, as the patch attached to it should be reworked? basically, this should be on the hundredpapercuts project radar (my only reasoning is that people should see the fallout of their changes)
[21:47] <DanaG> I have console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty0 quiet splash
[21:47] <DanaG> if I don't pass 115200, what rate would it use?
[21:47] <greg-g> mac_v: all my opinions, of course :)
[21:47] <penguin42> DanaG: I'd miss the console=tty0 off ?
[21:48] <mac_v> greg-g: hmm... 1 sec
[21:48] <DanaG> well, but that'd make me not have a local console at all; I prefer to have both.
[21:49] <penguin42> DanaG: You should still be able to have logins on the virtual tty's tty0 etc I think
[21:51] <DanaG> wow, this secondary laptop just made a horrible, horrible, horrible garbled noise when I did dhclient on the other laptop.
[21:51] <DanaG> Picture somebody trying to make a "bong" sound while gargling.
[21:51] <DWonderly> have they released a Alpha for the UNR yet?
[21:55] <DanaG> grr, alt-f2 doesn't work.
[21:58] <jMyles> DanaG: bong sound like the water-filtration device or bong sound like "booooonnnnnnggggg"?
[21:58] <polter> what are the plans to allow theming of GDM in Karmic?
[21:58] <DanaG> The latter.
[21:58] <DanaG> no wait, I think it was the pidgin sign-on sound, stretched and garbled.
[21:59] <jMyles> Danag: ouch.
[21:59] <mac_v> greg-g: search your gconf for > scroll_enabled
[21:59] <mac_v> greg-g: i have a custom setup and i cant see it , bryce's patch only changes the gconf , so it needs o be enabled in the gconf
[22:00] <mac_v> to*
[22:00] <greg-g> mac_v: I don't see it when I searched using gconf-editor
[22:00] <mac_v> exactly! i think the gconf was deprecated! maybe the patch wasnt even applied!
[22:01] <mac_v> greg-g: ^
[22:01] <greg-g> hrmm
[22:01] <mac_v> greg-g: you might want to add that to the comments
[22:01] <DanaG> hmm, I booted a system I haven't booted in like 3 weeks... and it's not offering me any updates.
[22:02] <greg-g> mac_v: the unfortunate part is that I can't find the code that saivann linked to in the bug report
[22:03] <DanaG> GUAWD,it did it again!
[22:03] <mac_v> greg-g: i couldnt find it too, so i thought bryce patch was applied...
[22:03]  * mac_v checking
[22:03] <DanaG> ARGH, that's a horrible, horrible, horrible sound.
[22:03] <DanaG> I ought to record it, in fact.
[22:04] <greg-g> mac_v: thanks for looking into this man
[22:04]  * greg-g assumes gender like a bad person ;)
[22:04] <mac_v> greg-g:  > /apps/compiz/plugins/move/allscreens/options/constrain_y set that to true
[22:05] <mac_v> does that work ?
[22:06] <greg-g> mac_v: nope. I set that to true, nothing. went back into ccsm and tried to set the mouse button and it still does the same thing (resets itself)
[22:06] <mac_v> greg-g: actually that was not for this , but just checking ;p
[22:07] <mac_v> if something might help ! :(
[22:07] <greg-g> heh
[22:10] <mac_v> greg-g: i cant find saivann's code!
[22:11] <greg-g> mac_v: this is all very weird! :) missing code, weird regression that doesn't even make sense.
[22:11] <DanaG> I see... this old laptop just has horrid sound quality.
[22:12] <mac_v> greg-g: i'v subscribed Saïvann to the bug , do add a comment about the missing code
[22:12] <greg-g> mac_v: will do
[22:13] <DanaG> hmm, how do I make upstart open a getty on ttyS0?
[22:13] <DanaG> Putting a file in /etc/event.d no longer works.
[22:14] <greg-g> mac_v: thanks again for your help
[22:14] <mac_v> greg-g: np :)
[22:19] <DanaG> hah, xsplash is fail.
[22:19] <DanaG> =P
[22:19] <penguin42> DanaG: How about /etc/init ?
[22:19] <DanaG> It assuuuuuuumes that nobody could ever want to use anything but the default wallpaper.
[22:29] <mac_v> DanaG: still complaining the same thing! why dont you confirm this bug and leave a comment there > Bug #412598
[22:31] <c_korn> where is the setting in gnome to display the text under the icons in nautilus ?
[22:34] <bjsnider> it's in "appearance"
[22:34] <bjsnider> Interface tab
[22:36] <c_korn> thanks
[22:38] <BUGabundo> boas
[22:39] <penguin42> ahha! BUGabundo
[22:39] <BUGabundo> ohh what a GREAT day I had today! guys Carpe Diem... always
[22:39] <BUGabundo> hey penguin42
[22:39] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: pong
[22:39] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Soooo you know how you were asking about the Firefox upgrade stuff?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> o dude
[22:39] <BUGabundo> that's sooooo late NOW
[22:40] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh, I filed a bug on it when it ate my bookmarks
[22:41] <BUGabundo> really?
[22:41] <BUGabundo> that's obnoicous
[22:41] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I clicked the button on the left which was something like 'keep ff 3.5 bookmarks' which seemed to be the right one since I had used ff3.5 for months and wanted to keep the ones in ff 3.5
[22:41] <bjsnider> obnoxious
[22:42]  * BUGabundo bjsnider is now known as spellckecker
[22:42] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: 'cause of that, some one once called me Grammar Nazi (check wikipedia) LOLOLOLOL
[22:43]  * DanaG likes to use Godwin's law in the other direction: directly invoking the law, instead of making the comparison that triggers it.
[22:43] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I don't know, but I suspect what the left one was meaning was that it would copy the standard set of ff3.5 bookmark in
[22:43] <DanaG> Look in .mozilla
[22:44] <DanaG> there was a 3.0-save dir.
[22:44] <DanaG> In my case, I had symlinked firefox-3.5 to firefox.... so when it "migrated", it gave me:
[22:44] <penguin42> DanaG: Yeh but that's a save of my 3.0 bookamrks, not my old 3.5 bookmarks that are months newer
[22:44] <DanaG> a symlink firefox -> firefox
[22:44] <BUGabundo> penguin42: yea
[22:44] <DanaG> ... which is broken.
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I don't think its assumes you already have 3.5
[22:44] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh, that kind of sucks
[22:44] <BUGabundo> but you should be able to import them manually
[22:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Well I can't now - as far as I can tell they're gone
[22:45] <BUGabundo> no its not
[22:45] <BUGabundo> its called something like 3.5-old
[22:45] <BUGabundo> see ~/.mozilla
[22:45] <penguin42> nope - not got anything like that
[22:46] <penguin42> I've got a firefox and a firefox.3.0-replaced
[22:46] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f70b141bb
[22:46] <DanaG> new trace.
[22:46] <BUGabundo> $ ls /home/bugabundo/.mozilla/
[22:46] <BUGabundo> drwx------ 3 bugabundo bugabundo 4.0K 2009-07-17 23:10 firefox/
[22:46] <BUGabundo> drwx------ 5 bugabundo bugabundo 4.0K 2009-08-01 09:58 firefox.3.0-replaced/
[22:46] <BUGabundo> drwx------ 3 bugabundo bugabundo 4.0K 2009-07-29 00:44 firefox-3.6/
[22:46] <BUGabundo> penguin42: correct
[22:47] <BUGabundo> now close FF, and use $ firefox -Profile-Manager to select that profile
[22:47] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what was so great about your day? were you able to convince the EU to ban michael bay movies?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: all day playing Karts. check my µblogs
[22:47] <BUGabundo> hey cr
[22:48] <BUGabundo> hey crimsun
[22:48] <DanaG> oh yeah, I'm still having the same udev surround issue.,
[22:48]  * penguin42 will have to wait 20mins until the end of this video
[22:50] <kroson> hi
[22:50] <kroson> ive just installed karmic alpha 4
[22:51] <kroson> everything worked ok, except for the 3g broadband, so i downgraded network manager to the previous version and now it is working ok
[22:51] <kroson> after some reboots acpi is not working anymore
[22:51] <kroson> i didnt do any updates since the install, and suddenly it stopped working
[22:51] <DanaG> I: (alsa-lib)confmisc.c: Unable to find definition 'cards.USB-Audio.pcm.surround71.0:CARD=2'            I: (alsa-lib)conf.c: function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory            I: (alsa-lib)conf.c: Evaluate error: No such file or directory            I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM surround71:2
[22:51] <kroson> after the updates it still doesnt work
[22:52] <kroson> what may be the problem? the system starts very slowly, after the text mode, login screen is slow, and the desktop start too, with some apps as well
[22:52] <kroson> DanaG: is that for me?
[22:52] <DanaG> no, for crimsun.
[22:52] <kroson> ok
[22:52] <kroson> plz anybody help xD
[22:53] <penguin42> kroson: can you get a dmesg out to a pastebin somehweere?
[22:53] <kroson> i dont have the reboot button in system menu, starting some apps is slow, it lags...
[22:54] <penguin42> kroson: You can get reboot from the 'shutdown' menu option
[22:54] <BUGabundo> kroson: current Modem Manager (or NM) is broken and its know for several modems
[22:54] <kroson> ive deleted it already thats not the problem
[22:54] <BUGabundo> please see LP for your yours or file a new one with debug logs
[22:55] <kroson> penguin42: its the shutdown menu option that i dont have, sorry xD
[22:55] <DanaG> oh yeah, I also have issues with "available to all users" making networks disappear.
[22:55] <penguin42> oh weird
[22:56] <kroson> acpi is not working
[22:57] <kroson> penguin42: the dmesg is very strange ill send you a link
[22:57] <kroson> http://pastebin.ca/1530874
[22:57] <kroson> DanaG: network is working for me, after downgrading network-manager
[22:58] <BUGabundo> kroson: did you read what I wrote??
[22:58] <penguin42> kroson: OK looks like it's very unhappy with one piece of hardware
[22:58] <penguin42> kroson: Have you got a webcam?
[22:58] <kroson> what is more stupid is that it worked after installing, and 2 or 3 reboots later it didnt :S (ive just downgraded network manager and deleted modemmanager)
[22:59] <kroson> yes, and that may be the problem, because it used to be in other distros
[22:59] <kroson> sometimes it was, sometimes it wasnt
[22:59] <penguin42> kroson: It looks llke that error is related to z-star or logitech webcam
[22:59] <kroson> logitech here
[22:59] <kroson> acer orbicam, xD
[23:00] <kroson> in other distros, like pardus 2009 after some reboots it came back to normal, it was a strange issue
[23:00] <kroson> like connecting and disconnecting in a loop
[23:00] <kroson> is that happening here too?
[23:00] <penguin42> kroson: File a bug on it then - from that dmesg I think it's spending all it's time trying to prod it and that's rpobably why it's so slow
[23:02] <kroson> hmm i dont think so, i think i have to be patient and hope this thing works again
[23:02] <kroson> or see if i can disable it in bios
[23:03] <kroson> man good news
[23:03] <kroson> ive moved the webcam randomly
[23:03] <kroson> and now dmesg finally shows gspca: probe ok
[23:04] <kroson> xD
[23:04] <kroson> i hope that after a reboot everything is back working again
[23:04] <penguin42> kroson: I wonder if you have something like a broken wire on the webcam?
[23:04] <kroson> i wonder too
[23:04] <kroson> xD
[23:04] <penguin42> still, it's not a very nice way for a driver to fail
[23:05] <kroson> yes
[23:05] <kroson> thanks for your help
[23:05] <kroson> karmic is going very well in my hardware
[23:05] <kroson> ill reboot and see what happens
[23:05] <BUGabundo> is there any AMR codec for ubuntu??
[23:06] <kroson> yes it seems the webcam has stabilized now
[23:06] <kroson> BUGabundo: try ubuntu-restricted-extras package, it shall have it
[23:06] <bjsnider> AMR is in medibuntu
[23:06] <kroson> hmm
[23:07] <kroson> add the repo and download it, there are instructions in the wiki
[23:07] <kroson> brb
[23:07] <BUGabundo> thnks bjsnider
[23:07] <DanaG> AMR?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> poor kroson. has no idea who I am :)
[23:08] <bjsnider> AMR is an obscure audio codec
[23:08] <BUGabundo> DanaG: for videos captured with my android
[23:08] <DanaG> ah.
[23:08] <DanaG> I was thinking Audio Modem Riser.  =P
[23:08] <BUGabundo> maybe it's the same
[23:08] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:09] <bjsnider> can't the android capture video in theora orsomething?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: can't even save photos in png :(
[23:11] <BUGabundo> have to use JPEG . Hello patent cumberstone :(
[23:11] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I hadn't realised there were patent issues on jpeg
[23:12] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMR
[23:13] <BUGabundo> penguin42: even Space Bar is patented :\ (my msft)
[23:13] <BUGabundo> s/my/by/
[23:13] <penguin42> BUGabundo: ThenInThatCaseWe'dBetterAllSpeakLikeThis
[23:13] <BUGabundo> don't forget mouse click, page up/down
[23:13] <BUGabundo> sorry, *double* mouse click
[23:14] <BUGabundo> apple has the one for single click
[23:14] <BUGabundo> but enough OT
[23:14] <bjsnider> why do androids suck so very much?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> they don't!
[23:15] <BUGabundo> they are great
[23:15] <BUGabundo> I love mine
[23:15] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It might be interesting; did you see that Google bought a company that had a new high compression video system?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> no
[23:16] <penguin42> few weeks ago, the speculation is they might make it open source and standardise on that for android
[23:16] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I installed both codecs available and all my video apps (totem, smplayer, vlc, are still running codec buddy :(
[23:16] <BUGabundo> penguin42: great.
[23:17] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, well, i guess that's the android's fault, isn't it?
[23:17] <penguin42> BUGabundo: firefox only shows e one profile with -ProfileManager
[23:17] <kroson> penguin42: working now, thanks
[23:17] <kroson> xD
[23:17] <penguin42> np
[23:18]  * penguin42 goes to get some food and drink - back in a few
[23:21] <BUGabundo> penguin42: either you import the one in -replace
[23:22] <BUGabundo> or rename both folders (with FF closed)
[23:23] <kroson> what is the latest version of network manager?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> kroson: from where?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> archive? PPA? ppa trunk?
[23:25] <kroson> karmic official
[23:25] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy network-manager | pastebinit
[23:25] <BUGabundo> !info network-manager
[23:26] <kroson> ok, still the problematic one
[23:26] <kroson> tks
[23:27] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:27] <BUGabundo> kroson: I'm debuging it right now with asac
[23:28] <BUGabundo> join us on #ubuntu-mozillateam
[23:28] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/405413
[23:28] <DanaG> oh yeah, and check out my edge-case of "firefox-3.5 is a symlink to firefox".  =þ
[23:28]  * penguin42 returns
[23:30] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I don't believe the one in -replaced was my latest firefox 3.5 either
[23:31] <BUGabundo> why not?
[23:31] <penguin42> BUGabundo: The bookmarks are older
[23:31] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I can believe it was my latest 3.0 one
[23:33] <BUGabundo> ohh
[23:34] <BUGabundo> so *deleting* a valid 3.5 is a serious bug
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I'll have to see if I lost mine too
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I had at least 3 in there
[23:34] <BUGabundo> but I'm using 3.6 most of the time
[23:34] <BUGabundo> glad I have backups
[23:34] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I clicked on the left most option in the dialog - I think it was something like 'keep firefox 3.5 bookmarks'
[23:34] <BUGabundo> penguin42: asac is online
[23:35] <penguin42> is that good?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> join us, and clarify
[23:35] <penguin42> where?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> penguin42: asac is the reponsible for mozila packagtes
[23:35] <BUGabundo> penguin42:  #ubuntu-mozillateam
[23:57] <djzn> hi, will ext4 be the default filesystem for ubuntu 9.10 ?
[23:57] <crimsun_> yes.
[23:57] <crimsun_> clarification: for new installs, yes.
[23:57] <djzn> ok
[23:57] <djzn> i want to know if
[23:57] <djzn> if I create a ext4 partition now...
[23:58] <djzn> when the time of 9.10 is released... will I have to erase to reformat with new ext4
[23:58] <djzn> i mean, if I create an ext4 partition with Jaunty... and when Karmic comes with ext4 as default... will I miss anything from not using karmic-ext4 but jaunty-ext4 ???
[23:59] <nzmm> wouldnt have thought so


[13:10] <qense> In bug #601209 there is a request to get support for table menus in Indicator Application. Is that something we want?
[13:10] <hyperair> gtk table menus? O_o
[13:10] <qense> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43001631/screenshot_003.png
[13:11] <qense> It's for the weather applet.
[13:11] <qense> wrong screenshot
[13:11] <qense> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51306986/explanation.png
[13:20] <vish> interesting ..
[17:13] <funkyHat> I think this fits here: I helped someone in #ubuntu yesterday who had accidentally deleted the admin group from his system, assuming the "Manage Groups" interface was related to the user he'd selected in the main User Settings window. It looks like quite an easy mistake to make. Are there any plans to address this?
[20:49] <seif__> hey guys
[20:49] <seif__> i want a local install of unity


[06:23] <mapps> hi
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[19:47] <mapps> how to get away with murder is good;D
[23:43] <diddledan> making fun of your malware (a defcon presentation): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeG4KBWB-EY
[23:57] <popey> that looks like fun
[23:57]  * popey watches that in bed I think
[23:57] <popey> o/
[23:57] <diddledan> o/