[14:16] <BUGabundo> have any of your guys eared about probs with the new nvidia driver and hibernate?
[14:16] <BUGabundo> twice now (on separate times) after Resume, my X spawns a new Session
[14:16] <BUGabundo> Bug 335465
[14:21] <tjaalton> same here
[14:21] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:21] <BUGabundo> that's now 5 ppl
[14:21] <tjaalton> it happens on my intel laptop too
[14:21] <BUGabundo> not sure all the same bug
[14:21] <tjaalton> right
[14:23] <BUGabundo> yes
[14:23] <BUGabundo> I've seen users on +1 confirming intel too
[14:27] <BUGabundo> tjaalton: any idea what I can add extra to that bug?
[14:34] <tjaalton> BUGabundo: try older kernel releases
[14:34] <tjaalton> I mean -6, -7
[14:34] <BUGabundo> I think I only have -7
[14:35] <tjaalton> my nvidia box was upgraded straight to -8, but the laptop should have every jaunty kernel on it
[14:35] <tjaalton> so I'll test them
[14:35] <BUGabundo> thanks
[14:35] <tjaalton> because it was regressed after -6 I think
[14:35] <BUGabundo> I'll ask users on +1 to test too
[14:36] <tjaalton> thanks
[14:36] <BUGabundo> RT bardyr: BUGabundo, i noticed it on -6 and -7, -8 and 2.6.29-rc6
[14:37] <tjaalton> ok
[14:37] <tjaalton> everyone on gnome or also with kde?
[14:37] <tjaalton> because it could be gnome-screensaver which is taking it down
[14:38] <BUGabundo> can you popup on #ubuntu+1?
[14:39] <BUGabundo> relaying is going to cause bad comunication
[14:39] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:39] <tjaalton> ok
[14:40] <BUGabundo> thanks
[18:48] <alex_mayorga1> bryce: ping
[18:50] <alex_mayorga1> anyone that can check bug 146706 please?
[19:57] <alex_mayorga1> !trougbleshoot
[19:57] <alex_mayorga1> !troubleshoot
[20:14] <tjaalton> alex_mayorga1: nv is buggy, and upstream doesn't care much
[20:14] <tjaalton> try nouveau in jaunty
[20:35] <alex_mayorga1> tjaalton: how?
[20:35] <alex_mayorga1> tjaalton, so you suggest I dist upgrade? even with currently not functional X?
[20:37] <superm1> alex_mayorga1, i think you are best off grabbing a jaunty alpha 5 ISO and burning it to a CD or USB key
[20:37] <superm1> boot off of that and see how things are lookign
[20:38] <alex_mayorga1> will give that a shoot
[20:39] <superm1> alex_mayorga1, if it doesnt work immediately, choose safe graphics mode in the disk, and then finish your install and you can test with nouveau
[20:42] <alex_mayorga1> is nouveau on intrepid somehow?
[20:43] <superm1> not easily
[20:43] <alex_mayorga1> I'll dist-upgrade as it is see how it fares
[20:45] <tjaalton> "currently not functional X", when you had the problem since gutsy?
[20:46] <superm1> alex_mayorga1, just boot off the disk, you generally can't dist-upgrade from a live cd
[20:46] <alex_mayorga1> yup, it's a laptop that ended up as headless server
[20:47] <alex_mayorga1> actually the live cd part is no longer current, it's installed and running
[20:48] <superm1> yeah; what i'm saying to do is to just briefly test from the live cd.  it will attempt to use nv when you boot it without messing up your current install
[20:48] <superm1> and if things look good, you can do a command line dist upgrade using "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[20:49] <alex_mayorga1> I'll skip the live cd and see how it goes, not really worried if it messes things up
[20:54] <alex_mayorga1> weird "No new release found"
[20:55] <superm1> try: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[20:56] <superm1> and if that doesn't work, try sudo do-release-upgrade -d -p
[20:58] <alex_mayorga1> superm1, -d seems to do the trick, thanks
[23:25] <ScislaC> I have a friend who want to test Jaunty, but X is failing with: "[17179825.492000] [drm:i810_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 65520 wanted 65528 [17179825.492000] [drm:i810_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup"
[23:26] <ScislaC> that's via the live cd... any thoughts on if it's worth bothering with?


[03:49] <jpcbdev> hi all
[03:50] <guiverc2> jpcbdev, Hi, but if you have a question, please just ask it.  Many of us are busy and will help if/when we're able.
[15:08] <aqua> hi everyone
[15:08] <wxl> o/
[15:12] <aqua> hello
[15:12] <aqua> anyone here?
[15:12] <wxl> i did reply, so yes
[15:14] <aqua> how to type chinese
[15:15] <aqua> can not install the chinese input now
[15:16] <wxl> what version are you on?
[15:16] <aqua> i am on a rasperberry
[15:17] <aqua> sth MATE
[15:17] <wxl> you're using mate?
[15:18] <aqua> yes
[15:18] <aqua> rasperberry recommended
[15:18] <wxl> then you should go to mate for support
[15:18] <aqua> ok tks
 aqua: are you attempting to install Lubuntu on a Raspberry Pi?
[17:57] <kc2bez> They left the channel @SamuelBanya
 Ah gotcha didn't see that on the mobile app
[17:58] <kc2bez> `/names` should give you a list of who is in the IRC channel.


[00:35] <mup> Bug #1638425 changed: The documentation to install snapd in archlinux doesn't mention that the socket needs to be started <snap-docs> <Snappy:Fix Released by fgimenez> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1638425>
[00:41] <mup> Bug #1639095 opened: On archlinux, /snap/bin is not added to the $PATH <archlinux> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639095>
[00:46] <mwhudson> uh
[00:46] <mwhudson> i apparently can't download snaps
[00:46] <mwhudson> i get 500s from the cfn
[00:46] <mwhudson> *cdn
[00:47] <mwhudson> heh working now
[03:39] <DSS> First boot is not accepting my Ubuntu Store login credentials...
[03:41] <DSS> Ok, so I have to login via SSH first...
[03:41] <DSS> Never mind...
[05:41] <mup> PR snapd#2264 opened: Reinstate delta download <Created by absoludity> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2264>
[06:19] <liuxg> ogra_, ping
[06:55] <liuxg> ogra_, ping
[07:01] <liuxg> I am now using kvm to launch ubuntu core, when I am trying to login using "ssh -p 10022 USER@localhost", it prompts me a password. May i know what password should it be? is it the one for the Ubuntu One account or the ssh keys? thanks
[07:41] <liuxg> what should be the correct password for logging into a kvm ubuntu core system? I have tried to use the Ubuntu One password, but it fails. thanks
[07:49] <foxmask> bonjello
[09:45] <mup> PR snapd#2265 opened: Fix build failure on call to UbuntuArchitecture <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2265>
[10:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#887 closed: Cache apt related files (config, packages) in 'apt' parent directory <Created by squidsoup> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/887>
[10:07] <thomi> Hi snappy devs, we're considering deploying a new search.apps.u.c today, and wanted to check the state of snapd integration tests, but https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds seems to think nothing has landed in the last 17 days. Am I looking in the wrong place?
[10:08] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: hey, I'm heading home but I have an idea
[10:08] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: can we detect via getenforce if selinux is on and just print a big fat warning
[10:08] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: and release the package as is
[10:08] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: it's better than keeping it siloed
[10:09] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: and more eyes == better
[10:09] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: perhaps someone will figure out how to actually fix the remaining warts
[10:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#881 closed: Catkin plugin: Python nodes require gcc/g++ too <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/881>
[10:13] <thomi> niemeyer: Any idea? ^^
[10:18] <zyga> thomi: looks odd, we definitely land stuff all the time
[10:18] <thomi> zyga: that's what I figured - perhaps you stopped using travis for some reason?
[10:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#671 closed: Add initial snapcraft manpage <Created by tsimonq2> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/671>
[10:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#879 closed: The latest icon definition is deprecated <Created by liu-xiao-guo> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/879>
[10:18] <zyga> thomi: look at pull requests
[10:19] <thomi> hmmm, well that's odd
[10:19] <thomi> but at least I see some green builds. Thanks zyga !
[10:20] <tsdgeos> what's the optimal workflow for integrating changes into a snap to see if they fix a bug? the only thing i can think of is, but MR in launchpad, make bileto create a ppa, add ppa to my system, rebuild the snap
[10:20] <tsdgeos> but that looks like a very slow cycle
[10:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#661 closed: Added a test Jenkinsfile <Created by elopio> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/661>
[10:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#674 closed: Add reference.md <Created by elopio> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/674>
[10:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#736 closed: Disable internet access during unit tests <Created by elopio> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/736>
[10:21] <zyga> thomi: I think those are master builds on push that we've disabled
[10:21] <zyga> thomi: we test PRs instead
[10:21] <zyga> thomi: as we don't just push to master willy nilly
[10:23] <kalikiana_> stgraber: jdstrand FYI conflicts resolved and the branch has got the latest definitions - I think it works, but by design, apparently, I can't actually test it... so how do we proceed from here? Not quite sure how this will work in the end
[10:24] <mup> PR snapcraft#874 closed: Remove the debian packaging <Created by elopio> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/874>
[10:27] <sergiusens> Pharaoh_Atem hey, I want to land your RPM support to make it go into the next release, will you have time to do the catching up in the branch?
[10:47] <tsdgeos> how do i remove stuff i've added with snap try?
[10:49] <dholbach> tsdgeos, "snap remove <snap-name>"
[10:49] <tsdgeos> dholbach: but that removes everything
[10:50] <tsdgeos> dholbach: the thing is, if i have the snap, then i "try" twice, i end up with 3 copies of the snap in /snap
[10:50] <dholbach> tsdgeos, I'm not sure I understand... what would you like to remove and what would you like to keep?
[10:50] <tsdgeos> i want to remove the two copies added by try
[10:50] <tsdgeos> and just be left with the one i actually installed
[10:51] <dholbach> [remove command options]
[10:51] <dholbach>           --revision= Remove only the given revision
[10:51] <dholbach> I've never tried it, but ^ maybe that?
[10:52] <tsdgeos> i can try thta i guess
[11:00] <Chipaca> tsdgeos, --revision should work
[11:00] <Chipaca> tsdgeos, btw, why are you wanting to remove 'em?
[11:00] <tsdgeos> Chipaca: because space?
[11:00] <Chipaca> tsdgeos, they aren't copies
[11:01] <tsdgeos> Chipaca: doesn't seem to work or i can't pass the correct revision number
[11:01] <Chipaca> tsdgeos, unless your app creates a lot of data
[11:01] <Chipaca> oh?
[11:01] <Chipaca> let me look
[11:01] <tsdgeos> $ ls /snap/unity8-session/
[11:01] <tsdgeos> current  x1  x2
[11:01] <tsdgeos> how do i remove x2 ?
[11:01] <mup> PR snapd#2265 closed: Fix build failure on call to UbuntuArchitecture <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2265>
[11:02] <tsdgeos> ah i have to revert and then remove
[11:02] <Chipaca> tsdgeos, snap remove --revision x2 unity8-session
[11:02] <tsdgeos> Chipaca: no that didn't work without reverting first
[11:02] <Chipaca> tsdgeos, ah, if it's current, yes
[11:02] <Chipaca> tsdgeos, that's why the help says "revert first" :-D
[11:02] <Chipaca> not the help, the error message
[11:02] <tsdgeos> with a ?
[11:02] <tsdgeos> doesn't make one very confident
[11:03] <Chipaca> well, it's not a mind reader
[11:03] <Chipaca> whether or not it's the right thing to do depends on what you're wanting to do
[11:03] <tsdgeos> well i told it to remove the thing
[11:03] <Chipaca> for example, you might not *want* to remove the current revision
[11:03] <tsdgeos> then remove the thing
[11:21] <bzoltan> dholbach: will you join our call in 11.5h? I would appreciate your input.
[11:22] <bzoltan> popey: mhall119:dholbach: I have added a doc to the invitation.. if you can spare few minutes to review that would make our call more efficient.
[11:36] <mup> PR snapd#2130 closed: store: retry store ops (phase 1) <Created by stolowski> <Closed by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2130>
[11:58] <mup> PR snapd#2266 opened: tests: run autopkgtests <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2266>
[12:04] <popey> bzoltan: okay! :)
[12:20] <Son_Goku> elopio: thanks for the unit test example
[12:20] <Son_Goku> I was able to add another test based on that one, so there's two tests now
[12:20] <dholbach> bzoltan, 11.5h?
[12:21] <Son_Goku> I'll have to play with the code to see if I can make a cpio archive with "./" at the beginning of the path, as well as one with "/" at the beginning too
[12:21] <dholbach> bzoltan, but yeah
[12:21] <bzoltan> dholbach: ohh... a typo :) in 11.5h i will be in my pyjama and sleep like a baby
[12:21] <dholbach> +1
[13:19] <mup> Bug #1639234 opened: docs/rest has not url for install (refresh, revert, remove) example <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639234>
[13:33] <jdstrand> kalikiana_: ack
[13:51] <tsdgeos> is there a way for snapcraft to use a local deb instead one from the archive?
[13:51] <tsdgeos> when building the snap file?
[13:52] <qengho> tsdgeos: Yes!
[13:52] <qengho> tsdgeos: You know the file path?
[13:52] <tsdgeos> qengho: for the deb i want to use?
[13:53] <tsdgeos> i can know it, yes
[13:56] <tsdgeos> or i guess i can dpkg -x into the prime folder?
[13:58] <qengho> tsdgeos: Not merged yet, but you could use it anyway. https://code.launchpad.net/~longsleep/snapcraft/snapcraft-debs-plugin/+merge/266650
[14:24] <bzoltan> dholbach: popey: once again, thank you for your time. I have edited and format a bit the minutes. Would you please take a quick look at it and call me an idiot if i missed something or interpreted something wrong?
[14:26] <dholbach> sure, hang on
[14:42] <qengho> Do we have any way of knowing when snapcraft builder for launchpad-hosted snap building is updated?
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1639284 opened: Cant start any snap application on Xenial <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639284>
[16:15] <tsdgeos> so the unity8-session snap is missing some symlinks that are created by the deb " using the alternate system", i guess snapcraft doesn't run those steps?
[16:16] <tsdgeos> i.e. is deb postinst run?
[16:16] <qengho> tsdgeos: Correct. There is no post-install. post-install runs have to be done at "stage" or "snap" time, when fabricating a snap package.
[16:17] <tsdgeos> ok
[16:45] <mup> PR snapd#2267 opened: Release version 2.17.1 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2267>
[17:08] <mup> PR snapd#2253 closed: interfaces/builtin/mir: allow slot to make recvfrom syscalls <Created by albaguirre> <Merged by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2253>
[17:14] <Pharaoh_Atem> sergiusens: I'm working on it now
[17:14] <Pharaoh_Atem> but I'm having a problem
[17:14] <Pharaoh_Atem> I don't know why this unit test is failing
[17:14] <Pharaoh_Atem> the code it's failing on is exactly the same as the deb source code
[17:14] <Pharaoh_Atem> by all rights, it should work
[17:14] <Pharaoh_Atem> I don't know why it isn't
[17:15] <Pharaoh_Atem> I think I may not understand how this test is supposed to be written, but... :/
[17:21] <_markfeatherston> Hello, I'm trying to build a kernel for ubuntu core and I'm running into troubles (Failed downloading ubuntu-core/edge).  Is anyone here familiar with this error?
[17:21] <_markfeatherston> Error: https://paste.ee/p/PjiEd
[17:21] <_markfeatherston> yaml: https://paste.ee/p/pW24W
[17:22] <ogra_> _markfeatherston, looks like there is a store problem currently
[17:22] <_markfeatherston> Ahh, good to know.  I'll hold off a bit on this then.  Thanks!
[17:24] <_markfeatherston> Actually I do have other questions in the meantime.  I'm looking at the 96boards kernel as a reference.  It has "confinement: strict" in the yaml.  I think I understand what this means in context of an application, but does the confinement do anything with kernels?
[17:25] <ogra_> well, if you set devmode you also need --devmode for snap install and snap refresh ...
[17:26] <ogra_> beyond that i dont think it does anything actively atm (it probably will)
[17:26] <_markfeatherston> ok, makes sense
[17:28] <_markfeatherston> the example kernel yaml also had "kdefconfig: [defconfig, distro.config]".  What is the distro.config in this case?  Is that ubuntu core's kernel config options?
[17:30] <ogra_> i think thats a question for the kernel team :) ppisati might be your man, but he is at the plumbers conference
[17:31] <_markfeatherston> Ok, I'll check back later for that or just experiment when the store comes back up.  thanks :)
[18:24] <qengho> Where should I file about about the official disk images' compression scheme, xz?
[18:26] <qengho> That is, I want to ask for images to be gz compressed too. MEMDISK doesn't support xz.
[18:33] <mup> Bug #1639328 opened: Snappy Ubuntu Core images are not in a format readable by MEMDISK <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639328>
[18:35] <pippo_> ho installato ubuntu core ma ad un certo punto mi chiede un email address "from your account in the store": di quale account si tratta ?
[19:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> elopio: ping
[19:05] <Trevinho> Hey, how can I understand what snap versions are available in each channel?
[19:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> elopio: I removed the pull() call, but it's still breaking, and I'm not sure why... https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapcraft/jobs/173348023
[19:05] <Trevinho> I was expecting snap refresh --list <snap> to give me that info...
[19:05] <Trevinho> but...
[19:05] <Trevinho> it doesn't seem to do
[19:06] <Trevinho> I can only snap refresh --edge <snap> and see what will happen, but not get those inofs without changing
[19:09] <Trevinho> I mean something similar to snapcraft status for your pkgs...
[19:50] <noise][> Trevinho: I believe we intend to make a `snap info foo` command to provide that information, but is not available yet
[20:07] <dobey> Trevinho: can't you do snap refresh --list --edge?
[20:12] <jdstrand> roadmr: hi! please feel free to test r791. that has the fix for bools as strings as well as everything for parsing the base declaration and applying overrides with --plugs/--slots
[20:12] <roadmr> jdstrand: awesome! Sure, I'll give it a whirl in a sec
[20:12] <jdstrand> roadmr: I have one more thing to implement for completeness, but it isn't used anywhere yet
[20:20] <Trevinho> noise][: yeah, I was wondering why that isn't available too...
[20:20] <roadmr> jdstrand: ok
[20:20] <Trevinho> dobey: I tried the same, but no... It says --list does not take mode nor channel flags
[20:21] <noise][> Trevinho: i think just didn't make the cut in the rush to the UC 16 release but I suspect will get added before long
[20:21] <Trevinho> noise][: I hope so. Thanks for the info about `info` tho :-)
[20:25] <roadmr> jdstrand: it works! so if I pass a --plugs plugs.json with a payload allowing e.g. lxd-support, my snap which uses it gets auto-passed; if I just change the interface name in the payload, it gets flagged for manual review
[20:27] <roadmr> jdstrand: the message is a bit cryptic (if accurate): "not allowed by 'allow-installation' in base declaration" doesn't hint that it could also be allowed in a --plugs or --slots override. But I think it's fine like this and we can tweak if we get confusion
[20:39] <jdstrand> roadmr: we are going to give the messages an overhaul. the message is meant to convey what denied it, not how to override it since a reviewer will presumably know that
[20:39] <jdstrand> roadmr: but again, yes, we'll be giving the errors a once over
[20:39] <roadmr> jdstrand: thanks, that'll be quite useful
[20:39] <roadmr> reviewers are humans too \o/
[20:48] <Trevinho> sergiusens: hey... Is there any way to make the version in the snapcraft.yaml to be more dynamic? I.e. to add a cvs revision or something similar?
[21:41] <elopio> Pharaoh_Atem: doesn't make a lot of sense. It's the same code as the other test ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:41] <elopio> let me finish my travis builds, and I'll try to debug it.
[21:41] <Pharaoh_Atem> okay
[21:42]  * Pharaoh_Atem is starting to feel really frustrated with this particular test
[21:42] <Pharaoh_Atem> I was tempted to just delete the test, but that feels like cheating...
[21:43] <elopio> it's almost done. I just feel bad that we were so slow to review it. Hopefully we get faster now that there are no sprints and no big releases.
[21:53]  * Pharaoh_Atem shrugs
[21:53] <Pharaoh_Atem> elopio: I wanted it to make it into the next version of snapcraft
[21:53] <Pharaoh_Atem> but I think it just went out today
[21:55] <Pharaoh_Atem> hmm, went out two days ago
[21:58] <Pharaoh_Atem> kyrofa: why do you think you'll get to avoid SRUs with snaps?
[21:58] <Pharaoh_Atem> if anything, I think the SRU process would transfer over to snaps, since it'd be more important with the coarser dependency logic
[21:59] <nacc> SRU is a way to control the rollout in the repository; snaps are controlled by the developer independently, no?
[21:59] <Pharaoh_Atem> nacc: sure, but if you're the developer...?
[21:59] <Pharaoh_Atem> you better have a process for ensuring things are worth releasing
[21:59]  * nacc lacks context
[22:00] <nacc> but i think it's just saying that there is no such thing as the SRU process for snaps
[22:00] <nacc> you just push fixes
[22:00] <nacc> with your own CI
[22:00] <nacc> presumably
[22:00] <nacc> and QA
[22:00] <Pharaoh_Atem> yes, but in https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/880, kyrofa makes the comment that pushing major version updates will not have an SRU process
[22:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#880: Remove license concepts <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/880>
[22:00] <Pharaoh_Atem> I'd argue that you'd likely be forced to be more careful, because there's literally no way to check and guard against breakage at all
[22:01] <nacc> SRU and various other tools require that you go through a formal process
[22:01] <Pharaoh_Atem> yes
[22:01] <nacc> run by the SRU team
[22:01] <nacc> there is no such process for snaps
[22:01] <Pharaoh_Atem> there probably will be eventually
[22:01] <nacc> you as the end developer can push whatever version you want to whatever stream
[22:01] <Pharaoh_Atem> sure
[22:02] <Pharaoh_Atem> but you (as Canonical) would have a process for pushing updates to your own snaps
[22:02] <nacc> i'm not so sure; the lack of SRU is meant to be one of the pros :)
[22:02] <Pharaoh_Atem> just as I (as a dumb human) would have a process for ensuring what I push is halfway decent
[22:02] <nacc> well for canonical owned snaps, they'd figure something out, i'm sure
[22:02] <nacc> i'm not sure what that has to do with SRU
[22:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> imho, tools cannot eliminate processes
[22:03] <nacc> that's more a statement that if you change something, test it and make sure it doesn't break anything -- SRU is a specific implentation of that
[22:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> only people can eliminate processes
[22:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> nobody said you *have* to have an SRU process for Ubuntu repos
[22:03] <nacc> Pharaoh_Atem: dunno; i think the point in there was that SRUs are generally not meant to be major version bumps -- but snaps make that easier to deleiver
[22:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> but breaking people's world is generally not a good idea and something you probably don't want to do
[22:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> so that would require implementing a process to ensure you don't do that
[22:04] <nacc> how would you break their world?
[22:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> well, at least in this example (PR880), they broke snapcraft.yaml files that used the license stuff because they removed it
[22:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> making those files that used it now invalid
[22:06] <_markfeatherston> Is this at all still relevant for ubuntu core 16? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/porting/
[22:06] <nacc> Pharaoh_Atem:  i don't know the specific context, sorry
[22:06]  * Pharaoh_Atem shrugs
[22:06] <Pharaoh_Atem> the general point I'm making is that tools don't necessarily get rid of processes
[22:06] <Pharaoh_Atem> only people do
[22:07] <Pharaoh_Atem> if you want a lighter process, you change the process to be so
[23:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#888 opened: Always respect go-buildtags <Created by stgraber> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/888>


[00:32] <eyeron> ahoy
[00:33] <knome> yoha
[00:34] <eyeron> heh
[02:43] <SiDi_> hey dashua
[02:43] <dashua> SiDi_, Sup mate?
[02:43] <SiDi_> fine, you ?
[02:43] <dashua> Just got home from dinner.  Good timing. :)
[02:44] <SiDi_> wow
[02:44] <dashua> Good.
[02:44] <dashua> Yeah, late.
[02:44] <SiDi_> oh, you're in the USA ? :P
[02:44] <dashua> Aye.
[02:44] <knome> lol
[02:44] <SiDi_> its 4 AM here
[02:44] <knome> tell me about late
[02:44] <knome> it's 5 am here
[02:44] <SiDi_> 5 AM in knome's country
[02:44] <dashua> =/
[02:44] <SiDi_> we were talking about our gtk themes in xubuntu
[02:44] <dashua> Up early or can't sleep?
[02:44] <knome> up late, could sleep but don't want to ;)
[02:45] <SiDi_> i think we'd be interested in shipping an alvaro based theme as the default dark theme
[02:45] <dashua> Oh nice.
[02:45] <SiDi_> so i wanted to know if you would be around this week end to help us shape this up :)
[02:45] <dashua> Yeah.  I'll be around.  Np.
[02:45] <SiDi_> Wee :)
[02:46] <dashua> My youngest daughter has a soccer game tomorrow, but other than that I'm free.
[02:46] <knome> dashua, is there a definite url to link to about alvaro?
[02:46] <dashua> Just on GNOME-Look for now.
[02:46] <dashua> I can't remember if I pushed the code to Launchpad
[02:47] <dashua> I know I did not make a project for it yet.
[02:47] <SiDi_> dashua: i think i have 3 compulsory parties tomorrow so we'll probably talk about usplash & icons with knome when we can find each other, and work on gtk sunday
[02:47] <dashua> Ok cool.
[02:48] <dashua> SiDi_, You already did the Xfwm4?
[02:48] <SiDi_> yes
[02:48] <dashua> Nice.
[02:48] <SiDi_> ive been using it almost constantly since you released alvaro
[02:49] <dashua> And you tweaked it somewhat, right?
[02:49] <SiDi_> only in the last days i ran default xubuntu for panel testing
[02:49] <SiDi_> i think i tried to, and failed
[02:49] <dashua> Hehe.
[02:49] <SiDi_> it should be like the metacity, really :p
[02:49] <dashua> That was the quickest theme I think I've ever made.
[02:50] <SiDi_> its an awesome one :D
[02:50] <dashua> Thx :)
[02:50] <dashua> I should have made a wiki and tried for the community, but I ran out of time and Hanso was already pretty much completed.
[02:51] <SiDi_> its been funny to see all the different versions of hanso
[02:51] <SiDi_> it makes me think of different brands of coffee now :d
[02:51] <dashua> Yeah, it has really evolved.
[02:51] <dashua> Look similar, but really nothing like  the original iteration.
[02:52] <dashua> It's over six months, I think?
[02:52] <SiDi_> hm
[02:52] <SiDi_> probably
[02:52] <knome> ehm
[02:52] <knome> so
[02:52] <knome> let me ask this most stupid question again
[02:53] <knome> the xfwm theme handles the window borders/decorations, but gtk handles everything else?
[02:53] <SiDi_> he'll ask where is alvaro on the internet :p
[02:53] <SiDi_> knome: yes
[02:53] <knome> no, i already linked it
[02:54] <SiDi_> gtkrc for the gtk theme's look
[02:54] <knome> SiDi_, i already have lots of text you need to read;)
[02:54] <SiDi_> metacity theme for the gnome WM
[02:54] <SiDi_> xfwm theme for xfwm
[02:54] <knome> now you confused me :D
[02:55] <knome> SiDi_, are you running karmic?
[02:55] <dashua> SiDi_, knome: Do you want to stay with the orange bg_selected or a blue?
[02:55] <knome> blue, i think
[02:56] <dashua> Ok
[02:56] <knome> definitely not orange, even if there's not really anything wrong with it
[02:56] <dashua> Alright, I'll come up with something unless you already have a palette to work with?
[02:57] <knome> we kind of have
[02:57] <knome> the palette is here: http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10/Mockups/06-hires.png
[02:57] <knome> well, the hue value
[02:57] <knome> suppose the saturation and lightness will still change on the wall/gdm
[02:58] <dashua> That's good.
[02:58] <dashua> Nice wallpaper.
[02:58] <knome> thanks
[02:59] <dashua> You need it done for this cycle or Karmic +1?
[02:59] <knome> this
[02:59] <dashua> Ok
[02:59] <knome> but we can alter the colors ourselves, i think
[02:59] <knome> or on sunday together
[02:59] <SiDi> err
[02:59] <dashua> Yeah, that's should be easy.
[02:59] <knome> SiDi, ehm?
[02:59] <SiDi> sorry, forgot to replug the laptop
[02:59] <dashua> that*
[03:00] <knome> dashua, i supposed so :)
[03:00] <dashua> Is Xubuntu doing something with the new xsplash?
[03:00] <SiDi> i seriously hope so, dashua
[03:00] <dashua> images will be pretty easy to change
[03:00] <dashua> It's pretty flawless here
[03:01] <SiDi> considering the state of our usplash im all keen on taking one of the good drafts for the ubuntu one and working on a blue version
[03:01] <dashua> I've been running it for a few days
[03:01] <SiDi> We completely lack testers :d
[03:01] <SiDi> still didnt use xsplash once
[03:01] <dashua> Oh wow.
[03:01] <SiDi> hehe
[03:01] <dashua> It's really nice, but I'm not sure why it hasn't dropped yet.
[03:02] <dashua> Maybe issues with other video drivers.
[03:02] <SiDi> no idea
[03:02] <SiDi> the new theme is there already ?
[03:02] <dashua> Not the user switcher
[03:03] <knome> GOSH!
[03:03] <dashua> Just the white shadowed Ubuntu logo, the new throbber, and the dark brown background
[03:04] <dashua> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBeNMk2W6hw
[03:04] <dashua> That's it.
[03:04] <dashua> Pretty sexxy.
[03:04] <knome> not bad.
[03:05] <SiDi> okey lets call it a day
[03:05] <SiDi> knome, dashua see you this week-end :)
[03:05] <dashua> SiDi, Nite mate.
[03:05] <SiDi> (i also have to release & package an exaile version tomorrow... completely forgot :D)
[03:06] <knome> meh
[03:06] <knome> night SiDi
[03:06] <SiDi> dashua: dont hesitate to join #xubuntu-devel from times to times btw ;)
[03:06] <knome> you will have a BIG mail waiting for you in the morning
[03:06] <SiDi> yay
[03:06] <SiDi> have a nice night both of you
[03:06] <dashua> SiDi, Ok np. :)
[08:56] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[09:38] <thorwil> is there a way to show a flickr pool oldest image first?
[10:25] <zniavre_> http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/984/capturelh.png
[10:28] <zniavre_> the Human icons creator is here ?
[10:28] <zniavre_> creator / dev / or mainteners*
[10:53] <zniavre> yes! i finally found good typo for the donwload folder in nautilus
[10:53] <zniavre> :o)
[10:59] <SiDi> what was it ?
[11:01] <zniavre> folder-download.png    basicaly
[11:01] <zniavre> :o)
[12:38] <SiDi> does anyone have screenies of the latest gdm in action please ? :P
[12:44] <mac_v> SiDi: huh? what latest gdm?
[12:44] <SiDi> the karmic one
[12:45] <mac_v> mat hasnt done them yet
[12:45] <SiDi> btw, if anyone sees mrdoob feel free to ping me :)
[12:45] <mac_v> SiDi: nope... not trading him to mice ;p
[12:46] <zniavre>  gdmflexiserver --xnest does not work anymore ..
[12:46] <SiDi> mac_v: i wanna use one of his iterations as a base for our gdm/xsplash :]
[12:47] <mac_v> SiDi: i knew that the minute you asked ... thats why wont allow ;)
[12:48] <SiDi> its free software ! meh
[17:20] <thorwil> kwwii: where do you see a number higher than 1702?
[17:30] <SiDi> thorwil: in N ?
[17:30] <SiDi> .. 1703 ?
[17:30]  * SiDi is already out
[17:31] <knome> hah
[17:31] <knome> SiDi, thorwil just thinks he is at year 1702
[17:32] <thorwil> 2 funny
[17:32] <SiDi> Well, i wouldnt argue if he was in Z/1702Z
[17:32] <SiDi> 1702 funny even
[17:32] <SiDi> knome: artwork mail !!
[17:34] <SiDi> thorwil: how is your new job btw ?
[17:34] <SiDi> did you finally get a fulltime one ?
[17:35] <thorwil> SiDi: freelance job. nearly over now and not sure about follow-ups
[17:35] <thorwil> but it was nice :)
[17:35] <SiDi> great
[17:41] <knome> SiDi, meh
[17:42] <knome> SiDi, i will answer it later today. guests :P
[17:43] <SiDi> damn
[17:43] <SiDi> we will never finish this weekend :d
[17:44] <knome> hah
[17:46] <SiDi> and the exaile devs dont wanna review patches cause they have too many homework or work projects
[17:46] <SiDi> so i cant get <IP_ADDRESS> released
[17:46] <SiDi> and MacSlow is too busy to review the notifyosd patch (its such a tiny patch.. i dont understand :P)
[17:58] <knome> SiDi, artwork mail ;P
[19:25] <SiDi> dashua: youve been invited into a group :P
[19:25] <kwwii> thorwil: on the front page of the group
[19:26] <thorwil> kwwii: that's where i read 1702
[19:26] <kwwii> it says 1937 photos currently
[19:26] <kwwii> lol
[19:26] <kwwii> 627 members
[19:26] <kwwii> http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/
[19:27]  * ckontros sees 1702
[19:28] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/Screenshot-1.png
[19:28] <kwwii> I swear I am not crazy :p
[19:29] <ckontros> Odd. Maybe it's something with you being in the group?
[19:29] <thorwil> http://i28.tinypic.com/rwrj89.jpg
[19:30] <ckontros> That's how mine looks.
[19:30] <thorwil> damn
[19:30] <thorwil> it amkes no difference if i'm logged in or not
[19:30] <thorwil> makes, even
[19:31] <thorwil> kwwii: i guess you have to assemble the link lists, then ;)
[19:31] <SiDi> i see 1702 too
[19:31] <SiDi> kwwii: you got a pro account
[19:31] <SiDi> maybe some photos are only avail for seeing to pro accounts
[19:32] <SiDi> if im logged in i see 1937 too
[19:33] <ckontros> I think pntphoto has some nice ones. ie: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pntphoto/3890923541/sizes/m/in/pool-556923@N24
[19:34] <thorwil> kwwii: do you see any option to filter the ones only visible with "pro" accounts?
[19:35] <SiDi> kwwii: do you have any documentation about gdm 2.27 / xsplash theming, by any chance ?
[20:26] <ckontros> dashua: What's with the lighter to the square use for the minimize glyph in current Hanzo? (strikes me odd but you might have a reason)
[20:30] <ckontros> *lighter center
[20:42] <kwwii> thorwil: no, I cannot see that
[21:06] <thorwil> kwwii: if we could get a list of those 1937, we could do a diff. but where i could simply use wget in a bash script, here we would need the cookie. anyway, good night!
[21:43] <ckontros> kwwii: vrms reports tangerine-icon-theme as non-free. That right?
[21:53] <FLOZz> ckontros: https://launchpad.net/tangerine-icon-theme : «  This project’s license has not been specified.  »
[21:53] <FLOZz> it's maybe the problem ?
[21:54] <ckontros> FLOZz: I figured it out. DFSG just doesn't see CC-BY-SA as totally non-free.
[21:54] <FLOZz> yes...
[21:55] <FLOZz> but where is the licence file ?
[21:55] <ckontros> Look at /usr/share/doc/tangerine-icon-theme
[21:55] <ckontros> Might be there.
[21:58] <FLOZz> ok thanks
[22:00] <kwwii> ckontros: no, that should not be right
[22:01] <kwwii> debian used to have a problem with ccbysa but from what I understand in the meantime it is not such a problem
[22:12] <ckontros> kwwii: Yeah. Package might need an update.


[07:19] <dlPhreak> Morning
[07:31] <superfly> sup
[09:01] <inetpro> goeie more
[09:03] <dlPhreak> Hoezit inetpro
[09:10] <Langjan> Gmorning guys, good evening Kilos
[09:26] <Kilos> hi Langjan superfly inetpro and others
[09:26] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:26] <Kilos> winter has returned here
[09:26] <Kilos> 16 max tomorrow
[09:26] <Kilos> sigh
[09:26] <Langjan> eish! Hope summer is near
[09:27] <Kilos> me too, hows things there
[09:27] <Langjan> Hot and dry but good thks
[09:28] <Langjan> enjoying your visit?
[09:28] <Kilos> of course
[09:28] <Langjan> mooi so!
[09:28] <Kilos> happiest ive been in 20 years maybe
[09:28] <Langjan> great news, wonderful - happy for you
[09:29] <Kilos> only the stupid woman is trying to fatten me up
[09:29] <Kilos> says im too skinny
[09:30] <Langjan> they like a bit of padding and you like the pudding so why complain?
[09:30] <Kilos> because if i get fat i have to carry the extra weight you know
[09:31] <Kilos> and my feet will get tired
[09:31] <Langjan> Correct, so just take it easy and eat the right stuff
[09:31] <Langjan> Can I worry you with a niggle?
[09:32] <Kilos> well, convince a woman in love that all the lekker goed isnt all healthy
[09:32] <Kilos> yessir anytime
[09:32] <Langjan> thks
[09:32] <Langjan> I broke Juanita's system
[09:32] <Langjan> it wont login
[09:32] <Kilos> kde?
[09:33] <Langjan> Lmga! Have been googling solutions since yestarday
[09:33] <Kilos> ai!
[09:33] <Langjan> unity of course
[09:33] <Kilos> tell me what happens
[09:33] <Langjan> 14.04
[09:34] <Kilos> so where does it stop
[09:34] <Kilos> im sure we have been this route before
[09:34] <Kilos> do you get to boot prompt
[09:34] <Langjan> It opens in the login screen, then when I put the password it goes blac and returns to login, does not say wrong password
[09:35] <Kilos> ok
[09:35] <Langjan> yes I get boot prompt
[09:35] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+F3
[09:35] <Langjan> let me just reboot, am running on live cd
[09:35] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[09:36] <Kilos> either that or your graphics isnt working again
[09:38] <Langjan> it first says login incorrect, then accepts password on second round
[09:39] <Langjan> aptitude command not found
[09:39] <Kilos> sudp apt install aptitude
[09:39] <superfly> just use apt-get instead
[09:39] <superfly> Kilos: no man
[09:40] <superfly> don't use aptitude anymore
[09:40] <Kilos> oh
[09:40] <Kilos> oh my
[09:40] <Kilos> ok
[09:40] <Kilos> i use it all the time
[09:40] <superfly> if you're on 15.10+ use "apt" and on older systems just use "apt-get"
[09:40] <superfly> only use aptitude if you're using the task system
[09:40] <Langjan> 14.04 works on apt only
[09:40] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[09:41] <Kilos> ya i use apt and aptitude still
[09:41] <Langjan> ive been here but lets try again
[09:42] <Kilos> i need to learn how apt does reinstall
[09:42] <Langjan> ok its done
[09:43] <Kilos> ok and
[09:43] <Kilos> do you know what graphics it has
[09:43] <Langjan> nope
[09:43] <Kilos> if it doesnt work on reboot now you might need to reinstall the graphics driver
[09:44] <Langjan> ok sudo reboot?
[09:44] <Kilos> yip
[09:44] <Langjan> by the way, I installed gnome desktop after googling
[09:45] <Kilos> is that what caused it
[09:45] <Langjan> no
[09:45] <Langjan> it was seeking a workaround
[09:45] <Kilos> have you at long last given up on unity
[09:45] <Langjan> it started when I ran a command, let me find it
[09:46] <Kilos> debbie has 14.04 kde on her lappy
[09:46] <Kilos> she has no other choice
[09:46] <Kilos> im bigger than her
[09:47] <Langjan> I ran install clamtk
[09:47] <Langjan> then it went to the login screen and has never been beyond that
[09:47] <Kilos> thats anivirus
[09:47] <Langjan> yes
[09:48] <Kilos> so is it rebooting?
[09:48] <Langjan> its booting but same result, login screen and does not react to password
[09:48] <Kilos> ok
[09:48] <Kilos> sudo apt install gdm
[09:50] <Langjan> it does login incorrect first time every time
[09:50] <Langjan> gdm is already newest version
[09:50] <Kilos> oh my you even broke that
[09:51] <Kilos> is it loggin in on lightdm or gdm
[09:51] <Langjan> perhaps the "login incorrect" at first attempt is part of the problem?
[09:52] <Langjan> dont know about lightdm or gdm, how do I tell?
[09:52] <Kilos> i remember i had hassles with lightdm but using  gdm sorted that
[09:52] <Kilos> we ask the guys
[09:52] <Kilos> or google
[09:53] <Kilos> maybe there is some command to change desktop managers
[09:53] <Langjan> I have more or less exhausted my google abilities
[09:53] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install gdm --reinstall
[09:54] <Langjan> running...
[09:54] <Langjan> done
[09:54] <Kilos> re boot
[09:55] <Langjan> but did not download any data?
[09:55] <Kilos> ok
[09:55] <Langjan> it said one package but zero contents
[09:55] <Langjan> rebooting anyway
[09:56] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiqqqrJwP_OAhXJkZQKHbyCB-YQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webupd8.org%2F2011%2F07%2Fhow-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html&usg=AFQjCNE8K4GOKQAVCcYV82xYQTySz7p3Rg&sig2=nR1SEvsfP8ScnqOGTq7w4w
[09:56] <Kilos> read that and see if they give a command to switch dm's
[09:56] <Langjan> Lets have a lok thks
[09:57] <Kilos> i gotta do something quick then will be beack
[09:59] <Langjan> ok
[10:02] <Langjan> Why do I think that the refusal of password in terminal the first time every time has something to do with the problem?
[10:02] <Langjan> OK I'm in! Tremendously brilliant Kilos no wonder Debs loves you so much
[10:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:07] <Kilos> i didnt go anywhere, i was hoping you would fix it while i was "away"
[10:07] <Kilos> its some hassle in the desktop manager
[10:07] <Kilos> im tempted to go to 16.04 maybe tonight
[10:10] <Kilos> even though my kde is trouble free
[10:11] <Kilos> i want to see all the new stuff working
[10:11] <Kilos> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[10:11] <Kilos> thats for you my oom
[10:12] <Langjan> Well let me know how it goes, I think I will stik with 14.04 a bit more
[10:12] <Kilos> ill keep one drive on 14.04 just in case
[10:12] <Langjan> gotta go eat, lekker aand daar vir julle en groete
[10:13] <Langjan> may thks for the help
[10:13] <Kilos> enjoy en groete aan almal daar'
[10:13] <Langjan> dankie
[10:13] <Kilos> and you are always welcome
[11:24] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[12:01] <jerit> Goodnight? Sleep tight? It's 2pm
[15:34] <Squirm> Hi
[15:49] <magespawn> Hi Squirm
[15:50] <Squirm> magespawn
[20:08] <pavlushka> All quiet in the Southern Front :p


[11:38] <stickupkid> achilleasa, https://github.com/juju/bundlechanges/pull/90
[11:49] <stickupkid> achilleasa, responded


[10:04] <BluesKaj> <--- parents were swedish-finns
[10:04] <uakkeri> drif: no... i start from there
[10:04] <uakkeri> i used another wiki
[10:04] <chosmoSantos> how was that onliner to create an ISO image outta a CD?
[10:04] <chosmoSantos> thanks
[10:04] <uakkeri> drif:thanx
[10:04] <drif> uakkeri: try it out atleast
[10:04] <BluesKaj> too many ppl changing their nicks in here for me to keep track :)
[10:04] <progress0r> hey all, im getting kde 4 running - is there an easy way to switch links or similar to get the kde4 env setup? I want to obviously keep kde 3 around. For example im running kde4 desktop now but im still running kdm from the kde3 env. i need a way to point all kde calls to kde4.
[10:05] <llutz> chosmoSantos: cat /dev/cdrom >/tmp/file.iso
[10:05] <chosmoSantos> kde4 w00t
[10:05] <progress0r> yeah its wild looking already
[10:05] <chosmoSantos> llutz: W0000TT!! does that work?
[10:05] <chosmoSantos> llutz: that's amazingly easy
[10:05] <llutz> chosmoSantos: on pure data-cd, yes
[10:05] <uakkeri> ciga:btw the command you suggested worked like a charm... thanx for you too
[10:05] <chosmoSantos> llutz: gawdDAMN!!
[10:06] <chosmoSantos> llutz: just beautiful :-)
[10:06] <llutz> chosmoSantos: calm down :)
[10:06] <drif> chosmoSantos: minimalism :) small is beautiful - tiny is striking
[10:08] <drif> anyone using klipper - and is it sometimes buggy?
[10:08] <progress0r> aha i found it
[10:11] <BluesKaj> .....<drif> BluesKaj: and you didn't recognize me? shame on you :D  Am I supposed to recognze you other than from the last week or 2 ..if i am i don't remember, unless you changed your nick
[10:12] <drif> BluesKaj: and that supposed to..prove klipper works?
[10:12] <FireCrotch> Anyone else using Gutsy?
[10:13] <jhutchins> Ok, in Amarok, I just played the first two tracks of an album, then I clicked to add it to the playlist - and danged if it didn't skip the two tracks already in queue!  Amarok ROCKS!!!
[10:13] <genii> BluesKaj:  :)
[10:13] <chosmoSantos> why kiso needs to start as root?
[10:13] <drif> BluesKaj: I mean sometimes (even with limit set to 999) it just doens't get more than few into clipboard..I need to clear klipper history contents before any copying succees
[10:13] <chosmoSantos> that's kinda retarted
[10:14] <Torch> after i install my nvidia graphics driver, i get a black screen on reboot. can anyone help?
[10:14] <BluesKaj> drif, nothing to do with klipper , whatever that is.
[10:14] <drif> BluesKaj: what that paste then? :D
[10:14] <BluesKaj> oh that
[10:14] <NickPresta> Torch, you probably have to edit your xorg.conf and change your driver to nvidia.
[10:14] <drif> BluesKaj: and as 'I' I meant my language..having one parent speaking it
[10:15] <Torch> NickPresta how can i do that when i can't see anything
[10:15] <chosmoSantos> when is KDE4 desktop upgrade?
[10:15] <chosmoSantos> thanks
[10:15] <BluesKaj> been in Canada for 60yrs , so my swedish is practically nonexistent and my finnish is worse :)
[10:16] <drif> BluesKaj: 60 years then.. no wonder
[10:16] <xevious> how will kubuntu react to me shutting down the computer, unplugging the PS2 keyboard and mouse, and plugging in a USB keyboard and mouse.
[10:16] <xevious> ?
[10:16] <FireCrotch> xevious:  it should detect them when you boot
[10:16] <chosmoSantos> xevious: you don't even need to shut it down
[10:17] <llutz> chosmoSantos: don't tell sh.t! ps2 is not hot pluggable
[10:17] <drif> chosmoSantos: I wouldn't plug/unplug ps/2 while power on.. just in case
[10:17] <xevious> yeah that'd be bad
[10:17] <xevious> but it'll autodetect the change
[10:17] <xevious> that's good
[10:18] <xevious> thanks
[10:18] <NickPresta> Torch, when that black screen comes up, press Control + Alt + F1. This should bring up a console. Login and then type in: "vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf". This will bring up a Vi, a text-editor. You have to press the down arrow/page down to scroll down to the Video Card section. Press I (that is an eye, not an L) to insert text. Replace your driver with "nvidia". Then, to save and exit, press Esc (escape) and then t
[10:18] <NickPresta> wp in (wq). Then press enter. Type in "startx" and see if all is well.
[10:18] <chosmoSantos> llutz: I am pretty sure it worked sometime ago with me
[10:18] <drif> xevious: it doesn't even know what it's missing ;)
[10:18] <llutz> chosmoSantos: it might work, but you might damage your hardware
[10:18] <chosmoSantos> llutz: I've dealt with plenty of computers and linux enough to not talk sh.t!
[10:18] <chosmoSantos> llutz: damage??!!
[10:18] <xevious> chosmoSantos: it can work, but it can also short out your motherboard
[10:18] <chosmoSantos> llutz: how's so?
[10:18] <drif> chosmoSantos: yes, damage
[10:19] <chosmoSantos> oh shit
[10:19] <xevious> chosmoSantos: PS2 is a legacy connection. it initializes when the computer boots
[10:19] <xevious> chosmoSantos: it's not designed for hotplugging
[10:19] <chosmoSantos> that would explain something :-(
[10:19] <drif> chosmoSantos: no s.it..
[10:19] <chosmoSantos> one of old pc went kaput after doing something like that
[10:20] <BluesKaj> USB ports carry voltages , better not to plugin on the fly
[10:20] <xevious> chosmoSantos: old systems were more succeptible to it
[10:20] <chosmoSantos> in fact that would explain two cases
[10:20] <chosmoSantos> oops!!
[10:20] <llutz> BluesKaj: usb is hot pluggable
[10:20] <drif> BluesKaj: what are you babbling about? :D
[10:21] <BluesKaj> llutz, be my guest :)
[10:21] <chosmoSantos> we need to move into all wireless gadgets and rid off cables
[10:21] <drif> chosmoSantos: just a mental note..when something goes kaput..usual progress is not to repeat same error again :D
[10:22] <BluesKaj> not millivolts like line level , real volts, above 1 or 2
[10:22] <xevious> chosmoSantos: there used to be massive warnings in motherboard manuals about hotplugging PS2. (i'm thinking back to 486 motherboards that i bought) but i don't see it much anymore. maybe the motherboard manufacturers realized people would try to hotplug it when USB came out and made the boards more resilient...
[10:22] <chosmoSantos> drif: I am glad I found out now :-)
[10:23] <xevious> BluesKaj: of course USB carries voltage. how would it work, otherwise?
[10:23] <Torch> NickPresta thanks, i'll go and give it a run through
[10:23] <BluesKaj> xevious, I repeat ,not millivolts like line level , real volts, above 1 or 2
[10:23] <llutz> usb = 5V
[10:23] <BluesKaj> damage
[10:24] <drif> BluesKaj: to what?
[10:24] <xevious> BluesKaj: i'm not an expert, but i'm pretty sure the USB hub monitors the ground connection to detect if something is plugged in
[10:24] <xevious> BluesKaj: and only brings up the higher voltage connections when there's something attached
[10:24] <llutz> thats the reason for the longer ground-connectors in usb-plugs. they lose connection last
[10:25] <drif> BluesKaj: would make using those flash memories a bitch, eh?
[10:25] <xevious> BluesKaj: one of the main reasons for creating USB was to make something that was safely hotswappable
[10:26] <chosmoSantos> thanks god cables will be a thing of the past soo. Only those wireless keyboards, are those encrypted? I mean somebody could sit a few feets away and sniff every keystroke you make much like a keylogger
[10:26] <xevious> chosmoSantos: my logitech wireless keyboard was encrypted
[10:26] <drif> chosmoSantos: I don't believe those are
[10:26] <llutz> xevious: nope, main reason was to push something different than firewire into the market (by m$ &co)
[10:26] <drif> xevious: was it?
[10:26] <xevious> chosmoSantos: you ever used a wireless keyboard and mouse on a regular basis?
[10:26] <xevious> i did for a couple years and then went back to wired
[10:27] <drif> xevious: these's truely are strange..sometimes they just go heywire..and nothing has changed - not my location nor transfer/receivers location..
[10:27] <NickPresta> xevious, I know what you mean.  My wireless mouse is fine until I have to change the batteries ;)
[10:28] <BluesKaj> blah blah ... fine dowhat you want ...see if i care but unplugging and plugging equipment of any kind whaile there's power at the connect is not a good policy ...take it from an old audio guy whose blown a few components over the yrs taking shortcuts
[10:28] <owl> oh noez. it workes.
[10:28] <sk1t3lles> can anyone tell me why in my kdm settings I have ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp set, but for some reason X still listens on the tcp port, why is this?
[10:28] <drif> NickPresta: I like Logitech G7 for that reason :D takes 5secs to get a fresh one
[10:28] <owl> dvd was the solution for every problem in the known universe ^^
[10:28] <xevious> llutz: no. if you recall, usb1 was 12mb/s, whereas firewire was 400mb/s. they were not initially designed to compete. firewire was intended for digital video and to possibly be a replacement for SCSI. usb, being only 12mb/s was intended for things that didnt use as high bandwidth. then they made usb2 and it all got confusing
[10:29] <xevious> my friend has a logitech wireless mouse and get this: if it's too close to his _WIRED_ keyboard, it gets interference and won't move correctly
[10:29] <llutz> xevious: they could have used firewire for all those things, but the patents weren't owned by m$, so they "invented" the crappy USB1
[10:29] <drif> xevious: I believe that's my reason as well
[10:29] <genii> I like how my UW320 scsi drives are still faster than my sata2 300 drives
[10:29] <BluesKaj> RF interference
[10:29] <drif> xevious: actually same prob with my philips wireless headset
[10:29] <owl> damn. i guess i need a new cd-drive..
[10:29] <drif> xevious: ran out of livingroom :-\
[10:29] <owl> ibm will kill me...
[10:30] <llutz> xevious: enough ov conspiracy :)
[10:30] <xevious> llutz: MS didn't invent usb...
[10:30] <llutz> genii: s-ata drives are much cheaper
[10:30] <llutz> xevious: true, but they forced it
[10:30] <xevious> llutz: ever seen a firewire mouse?
[10:30] <sk1t3lles> can anyone tell me why in my kdm settings I have ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp set, but for some reason X still listens on the tcp port, why is this?
[10:31] <xevious> llutz: there's no established protocol for a firewire mouse. USB has all the HID descriptors for generic devices
[10:31] <genii> llutz: Yes :)
[10:31] <Arwen> I've got a package that refuses to purge, what can I do about it? Synaptic fails with "error running post-install script"
[10:32] <xevious> heheh
[10:32] <xevious> UPS is too slow :\
[10:33] <alejandro> hi
[10:33] <alejandro> how to apt-get with the gpg key?
[10:34] <llutz> Arwen: no hint, why post-install fails?
[10:34] <xevious> well thanks for your help, everyone. and thanks for the debate, llutz.
[10:34] <Arwen> llutz, no.
[10:34] <xevious> i'm gonna hook up this KVM switch now
[10:34] <llutz> xevious: just kidding
[10:34] <xevious> llutz: it was fun :D
[10:34] <xevious> byebye
[10:34] <llutz> cu
[10:35] <llutz> Arwen: try aptitude purge and hope for more verbose error-msg
[10:36] <Arwen> ah screw that, I just nuked the script to make it finish
[10:37] <drif> alejandro: you mean something like on this page? 'https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu"
[10:38] <sacater> how do i stop kde from loading things up when i start it, ie: compiz
[10:39] <evri2> Anyone know how to change background of kio-sysinfo?
[10:40] <miketalanca> I have quite a large problem. I was moving some things between two hard drives and Konqueror stopped responding. So, I went for the GUI restart, but after the screen went black, nothing happened. So I restarted the machine, and now i get no login.
[10:40] <miketalanca> The "nvidia" screen comes up to show tha the drivers are working, but nothing more.
[10:42] <miketalanca> If it matters, all that was running at the time was Compiz Fusion and Firefox.
[10:42] <joey382> what's the command to change the volume?
[10:43] <alejandro> yes drif, i woul to encode apt-get/aptitude network traffic
[10:44] <alejandro> some answer?
[10:46] <miketalanca> Is anyone there? o-0 I have a huge problem.
[10:46] <drif> alejandro: that page didn't tell you?
[10:46] <drif> miketalanca: this channel never sleeps..
[10:48] <NickPresta> !patience | miketalanca
[10:48] <ubotu> miketalanca: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:49] <waylandbill> miketalanca: all problems seem huge to the person experiencing them. :-)
[10:49] <jason__10> Hello. Im creating a Kubuntu blog. If anyone wants to have a look at it so far.. http://jayskubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/08/edit-your-kde-menu.html  This is one is about creating your own kde menu.
[10:50] <drif> miketalanca: can you get to console pressing ctrl+alt+f1?
[10:52] <jerome_> hi guys what can i use to get video support in firefox? much like wmplayer does for windows firefox
[10:52] <jerome_> what is the kubuntu equivalent
[10:52] <llutz> jerome_: mplayer-plugin
[10:53] <alejandro> yes drif, but that page it is only for medibuntu.org mirrors
[10:53] <drif> alejandro: I was after general idea there
[10:53] <jerome_> thanks llutz
[10:55] <jerome_> flash plugin for firefox is called what undep adept manager?
[10:56] <llutz> jerome_: flashplugin-nonfree
[10:56] <jerome_> thanks
[10:57] <jerome_> weird first time really using a linux box
[10:57] <jerome_> so meh i prefer gui
[10:57] <jerome_> any good newsreaders like grabit? i heard klibido was goo
[10:57] <jerome_> good
[10:57] <jerome_> bit worried about command line only unpar programs, took par2 for now
[10:57] <miketalanca> I have quite a large problem. I was moving some things between two hard drives and Konqueror stopped responding. So, I went for the GUI restart, but after the screen went black, nothing happened. So I restarted the machine, and now i get no login.
[10:57] <miketalanca>  <miketalanca> The "nvidia" screen comes up to show tha the drivers are working, but nothing more.
[10:57] <drif> miketalanca: can you get to console pressing ctrl+alt+f1?
[10:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> klibido is decent
[10:58] <miketalanca> Yeah
[10:58] <fannagoganna> for good newsreaders, there's knode
[10:58] <sk1t3lles> when I have ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp enabled for kdm X11 still continues to listen on the tcp port 6001 why is this?
[10:58] <drif> miketalanca: well, that's atleast something
[10:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> jerome_: par2 is (in my experience) faster in linux than windows
[10:58] <jerome_> well something that deals with pars included in 1 program + grabbing nzbs etc would be cool
[10:58] <jerome_> i use quickpar in windows
[10:58] <jerome_> but i hear par2 and klibido are the way to go
[10:59] <jerome_> so ill try those out im used to grabit and quickpar, tried altbinz etc didnt like it
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> quickpar is nice, but a slow implementarion of the algorithm
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you were looking for a more agent-like experience, try pan
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> i always favored powergrab2k myself
[10:59] <jerome_> i heard pan was only in beta stage
[10:59] <jerome_> from what i googled
[10:59] <sk1t3lles> when I have ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp enabled for kdm X11 still continues to listen on the tcp port 6001 why is this?
[10:59] <jerome_> what is powergrab?
[10:59] <sk1t3lles> anyone have an idea?
[10:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> then it's been in beta for several years
[11:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> windows usenet binary downloader
[11:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> there's also BNR2 for linux (and windows, for that matter), which is nice, but it's slooooow
[11:00] <jerome_> question : if my linux install is on a partition and i wanted to take windows off would i just copy all files to new hdd and windows would boot?
[11:00] <jerome_> or would i need to do a reinstall
[11:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you can get it to work at all, it's been discontinued for some time
[11:00] <sk1t3lles> when I have ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp enabled for kdm X11 still continues to listen on the tcp port 6001 why is this? anyone have an idea to what is going on?
[11:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you want to get rid of windows altogether?
[11:01] <jerome_> yeh
[11:01] <jerome_> linux/windows share hdd atm partitioned
[11:01] <fannagoganna> although knode, integrated into kontact, is i think better than these alternatives
[11:01] <jerome_> so if i was to say get a new hdd, could i just copy all of linux partition on it and it would boot fine? or is there a need for a program like ghost
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> use something like qtparted or gparted to format that partition, then use it for storage, or whatever you'd like
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah, there's the rub
[11:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> it can be done, but i don't know how
[11:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> i always go for the reinstall in an instance like that
[11:02] <jerome_> snore :P but i just got it like i want it and if i can get wine to work im going to  kubuntu fulltime
[11:02] <fannagoganna> or just add this disk to your LVM partitions
[11:02] <alejandro> were is the ubuntu.com gpg key?
[11:03] <sk1t3lles> when I have ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp enabled for kdm X11 still continues to listen on the tcp port 6001 why is this? anyone have an idea to what is going on?
[11:03] <jerome_> is it just me or does my skype have less delay in kubuntu than windows?
[11:04] <jerome_> ewww mplayer plugin is lame - you cant watch a clip till its buffered 100% - not like wmplayer where you can
[11:04] <jerome_> any option to watch partially buffering clip?
[11:04] <waylandbill> jerome_: copy the partition and use grub-install to put grub into the new drive's MBR assuming /boot is on the same parition as /
[11:04] <jerome_> k thanks bill, and nm its only buffers like 20% then it plays
[11:04] <sk1t3lles>  when I have ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp enabled for kdm X11 still continues to listen on the tcp port 6001 why is this? anyone have an idea to what is going on?
[11:05] <adenicio> qui peu maid pour fedora?
[11:05] <jerome_> question: why in windows can i set whole screen to be used 1024 mode, but in umm kubuntu i keep needing to readjust my screen caus it and windows align in diff spots so when i restart to doze i need to readjust again its really annoying
[11:06] <llutz> sk1t3lles: what does "ps -ua|grep X" say about used options
[11:07] <sk1t3lles> llutz: let me check
[11:07] <sk1t3lles> llutz: /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-UQDVjY
[11:08] <llutz> sk1t3lles: and what makes you thinking it will listen on 6001?
[11:09] <sk1t3lles> llutz: cause if i scan it from another machine I see the port open and I can connect to it, thats why
[11:10] <llutz> sk1t3lles: you restarted kdm after changing kdmrc?
[11:10] <zgmf-x20a> hey does anyone know a really really really good website for explaining very clearly how to install .tar.gz files?  like very clear, baby steps clear, lol
[11:10] <jerome_> wikipedia.org :P
[11:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> most of the time you're not installing them - yet
[11:10] <drif> zgmf-x20a: you don't install tar.gz - you jut extract'em
[11:10] <sk1t3lles> llutz: change what in my kdmrc this is by default
[11:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> a lot of tgz files are source archives, etc, that you need to first extract
[11:11] <drif> oh :D
[11:11] <drif> zgmf-x20a: sorry :D
[11:11] <_blix_> how do I mount a floppy?
[11:11] <_blix_> no jokes please
[11:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> what's a floppy?
[11:11] <bdgraue> my kubuntu-gutsy compiz fusion dont work right, can someone help please?  http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14260/  <-- the paste of the error
[11:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> aww
[11:11] <zgmf-x20a> drif: hey wahst up!  lol.  so ive gone round and round in circles trying the other things we went thru... and im just going to try and get this driver plg installed step by step
[11:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> too soon
[11:11] <_blix_> a floppy drive
[11:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> haven't used one in years
[11:11] <_blix_> yeah I know
[11:11] <_blix_> but this urgent
[11:11] <Marfi> hey hey! does anyone know of a way to get iCalc onto a ubuntu / kubuntu install? if not, does anyone know of a good equivelant?
[11:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> but you could try mount /dev/fd0 /<whatever the mountpoint is>
[11:12] <_blix_> spent the last 40mins trying to find a floppy earlier
[11:12] <_blix_> murder I tell u
[11:12] <zgmf-x20a> ok, well, then what about a webiste that will tell me how to extract, and then how to install from what i extracted
[11:12] <_blix_> k
[11:12] <The_Machine> i'm logged into the kubuntu live CD at the moment.  i would like to expand the ext3 partition kubuntu is already installed on to use all of the disk space (of which I have 200 GB left), but without creating another partition.  I don't see how to do this in gparted or in qtparted. Could someone help me?  :)
[11:12] <zgmf-x20a> anything like that out there?
[11:12] <jerome_> we still get lots of em here in south africa
[11:12] <llutz> _blix_: use mtools instead, no mounting needed ;)
[11:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> zgmf-x20a: what are you trying to install, first
[11:12] <_blix_> Daisuke_Laptop: that doesn't work
[11:12] <_blix_> mtools?
[11:12] <_blix_> where is that?
[11:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> then go with llutz's suggestion :)
[11:13] <jerome_> any good apps that are a must have on linux?
[11:13] <felipeb> _blix_: clic right mouse
[11:13] <_blix_> on what?
[11:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> zgmf-x20a: because if it's in the repos, you're wasting a whole lot of your own time trying to compile and install :)
[11:13] <felipeb> on desktop
[11:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> jerome_: as far as?
[11:13] <felipeb> create new
[11:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> amarok for music, that's a given
[11:13] <_blix_> right
[11:13] <felipeb> acces to floppy
[11:13] <_blix_> there is no 'Create New'
[11:14] <jerome_> anything, i mean windows i use, mudmaster2k-skype-firefox/opera/grabit/quickpar/winamp/mirc/
[11:14] <jerome_> anything useful
[11:14] <felipeb> i have kubuntu spanish..
[11:15] <jerome_> does beryl take lots of resources and can ya please explain what it does/why i would use it.
[11:15] <felipeb> but I can mount my flopys..
[11:16] <Marfi> amark ftw!
[11:16] <bdgraue> jerome_: http://www.linux.org/apps/
[11:16] <Marfi> *amarok
[11:16] <jerome_> thanks bdgraue, any reason i would want bery?
[11:17] <jerome_> beryl
[11:17] <uakkeri> how to configure ati redeon 9600. i'm having troubles when enabling anything but mesa. i.e. tv doesn't work
[11:17] <bdgraue> jerome_: http://www.opencompositing.org/
[11:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> !equivalents | jerome_, this might be of interest
[11:18] <ubotu> jerome_, this might be of interest: A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[11:18] <jerome_> thanks
[11:19] <jerome_> bookmarking both
[11:19] <jerome_> how do i make firefox default broswer of konqueror
[11:20] <bdgraue> !gutsy
[11:20] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[11:21] <jerome_> how do i set ffox to default broswer?
[11:22] <judgen> howdy.
[11:22] <jerome_> man kubuntu keeps opening up and i dont want it to
[11:23] <jerome_> when i click a link from konversation
[11:23] <jerome_> i want ffox to open
[11:23] <judgen> anyone having problems with BT878 cards and fglrx?
[11:23] <holzmodem> hi, how can i change the font for the desktop icons?
[11:23] <uakkeri> judgen:i am
[11:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> jerome_: that's easy to fix
[11:24] <jerome_> where do i do it tho i know its easy but i dunno where to go
[11:24] <judgen> uakkeri xorg goes black?
[11:24] <uakkeri>  judgen: exactly
[11:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> go into a terminal and manually edit konversation's config files to point from konq...  just kidding :D
[11:25] <judgen> uakkeri ot does not seem to be a problem with the kernel though....
[11:25] <uakkeri> take options from /etc/X11/xorg.conf off and everything work BUT 3d
[11:25] <jerome_> where do i set it?
[11:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> go to settings / konversation settings / behaviour / general
[11:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> check 'use custom web browser'
[11:26] <jerome_> thanks
[11:26] <judgen> uakkeri hmm i dont need 3d for anything but my screensavers but i still would like it all to work.
[11:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> and enter the following (without quotes): "firefox '%u'"
[11:26] <padi> hi all, why isn't the field "tcp-ip printer" in the printer-add wizard not highlighted? I need that, because I have a printer connected via lan...
[11:26] <uakkeri>  judgen: me also
[11:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's:
[11:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> firefox '%u'
[11:26] <padi> I'm talking about kprinter
[11:26] <uakkeri>  judgen: let me see
[11:26] <judgen> uakkeri im sure i could use it before when i was using an older kernel.
[11:27] <adenicio> i need help for my web cam im on kde 7.04,i have a webcam creative but its not install
[11:27] <uakkeri>  judgen: look the options you have in xorg.conf
[11:27] <adenicio> i need help for my web cam im on kde 7.04,i have a webcam creative but its not install how do i install it?
[11:27] <uakkeri>  judgen: for the ati card
[11:27] <chosmoSantos> when will ther ebe KDE4 desktop upgrade?
[11:28] <padi> When I want to add a printer with kde print, I can only add local printer/smb or "other", but not TCP or HTTP, etc!
[11:28] <padi> please help
[11:28] <judgen> uakkeri: Driver		"fglrx"
[11:28] <judgen> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[11:28] <judgen> #	Option "FSAAEnable" "yes"
[11:28] <judgen> #	Option "FSAAScale" "4"
[11:28] <judgen> 	Option "VideoOverlay" "on"
[11:28] <judgen> 	Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
[11:28] <judgen> oops
[11:28] <judgen> stupid client
[11:29] <adenicio> i need help for my web cam im on kde 7.04,i have a webcam creative but its not install how do i install it?
[11:29] <jerome_> so i installed beryl now what i dont see much difference
[11:30] <uakkeri>  judgen: the same as i have
[11:30] <speaker219> !webcam
[11:30] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[11:30] <jerome_> how do i get that beryl cube effect to work ,its ticked but nothing
[11:31] <speaker219> jerome_ have you tried holding down the left&right mouse buttons, and then moving the mouse?
[11:32] <jerome_> nope :P
[11:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> (middle mouse button will give you the same effect)
[11:32] <judgen> uakkeri ill just get an Intel gfx card, that will solve the issue
[11:32] <jerome_> it just brings up menus
[11:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> and unfortunately, gl accelerated desktops aren't working that well with kde yet (to my knowledge)
[11:33] <jerome_> also how can i make sure windows key and d bring up desktop and windows k d brings up explorer type thing?
[11:33] <jerome_> any way to do that?
[11:33] <chosmoSantos> oh I was having this question... about KDE4 Desktop??
[11:33] <chosmoSantos> when
[11:33] <jerome_> windows key and e even
[11:33] <chosmoSantos> will it be release for Kubuntu?
[11:33] <glenni> i used beryl once and when i removed it, it tok something from the graphic config whit it and then it was done
[11:34] <uakkeri>  judgen: :)
[11:34] <jerome_> any way to setup windows key shortcuts - like desktop / explorer etc?
[11:34] <adenicio> i need help for my web cam im on kde 7.04,i have a webcam creative but its not install how do i install it?
[11:35] <judgen> jerome_ hotkeys?
[11:35] <jerome_> yep
[11:35] <judgen> jerome_ simple, just use the kcontrol applet. and set any combination of keys to whatever function you desire.
[11:35] <jerome_> but i want to set my windows shorcuts as 10 yrs of using the doze doesnt drop easy
[11:35] <padi> kdeprint is such a bug-whore... I can't even load any drivers, not even in super user mode, it says, they don't exist... eg: Laden des angeforderten Treibers nicht mglich:
[11:35] <padi> Erstellen des Foomatic-Treibers fehlgeschlagen (HP-Color_LaserJet_4500,Postscript).
[11:35] <jerome_> is that extra or does it come default installed judgen?
[11:35] <judgen> i think its default.
[11:36] <adenicio> i need help for my web cam im on kde 7.04,i have a webcam creative but its not install how do i install it?
[11:36] <judgen> jerome_ click on run in menu and type kcontrol. it should load, if not you might have to install it.
[11:36] <jerome_> thanks is it kinda like a device manager menu in windows?
[11:36] <jerome_> or more along the lines of control panel
[11:36] <padi> what a sh**
[11:37] <Ahmuck> !mp3
[11:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:38] <judgen> jerome_ yes
[11:38] <jerome_> so where in k control is this menu to make shortcuts?
[11:38] <judgen> controlpaneol
[11:38] <chosmoSantos> anybody got an idea of when will KDE4 be available for Kubuntu? Thanks
[11:38] <chosmoSantos> I kinda wanna have it
[11:39] <judgen> jerome_ in the swedish version its located somewhere in language or pheripals i think. I cant quite remember right now.
[11:39] <jerome_> thanks
[11:39] <judgen> np
[11:39] <jerome_> yep keyboard shorcuts in regional
[11:39] <jerome_> thanks
[11:39] <sumguy231> @chosmoSantos: There are already packages for it in Feisty for development versions, though I don't necessarily recommend using them.
[11:40] <sumguy231> They're in the Universe repository.
[11:40] <jerome_> what is it called when you go to desktop? show desktop shortcut?
[11:40] <chosmoSantos> sumguy231: ok about the WM?
[11:41] <chosmoSantos> sumguy231: you know the new look SVG icons and so on
[11:41] <sumguy231> I haven't installed the packages, so I don't know if it's a new enough build to include Oxygen, sorry.
[11:42] <chosmoSantos> sumguy231: something more complete other than scattered packages
[11:42] <jerome_> im trying to set show desktop to windows key + d - i cant seem to find the right description under keyboard shortcuts what would it be called
[11:42] <chosmoSantos> sumguy231: but I am talking about KDE4 you the complete DM
[11:43] <sumguy231> It depends on what you mean by 'scattered packages' - if you're asking when they'll have a kde4 virtual package that installs everything, I don't know. But just installing all of the kde4* packages will do you if you really want it. They probably won't bother with formalities like that until the RC versions.
[11:43] <judgen> jerome_ sorry, i have no idea. MAybe minimize all or something.
[11:44] <chosmoSantos> sumguy231: k thanks
[11:44] <sumguy231> @judgen and such: Is "Toggle showing desktop" what you want?
[11:44] <chosmoSantos> sumguy231: do you think it'll be kewl?
[11:45] <sumguy231> @chosmoSantos: ^Probably. :)
[11:45] <judgen> kde4 is cool
[11:45] <jerome_> so far ive managed to make it minimize each window individually with win + d i want it to do all
[11:45] <jerome_> any ideas?
[11:46] <judgen> btw is compiz-fusion as well integrated and easy to setup nowdays for kde as it is for gnome?
[11:46] <sumguy231> I didn't have much luck with compiz-fusion, I had more luck with Beryl. But it's supposedly included with Kubuntu Gutsy, so maybe it will be more integrated then.
[11:46] <jerome_> nevermind i found it
[11:46] <judgen> sumguy231 nice
[11:47] <judgen> sumguy231 do you remember the release date?
[11:47] <sumguy231> @jerome_: setting "Toggle Showing Desktop" to Win+D under "Global Shortcuts" does exactly that for me.
[11:47] <jerome_> yeah i couldnt find that :P
[11:47] <sumguy231> Did you now?
[11:48] <jerome_> where abouts is that on the menu
[11:48] <sumguy231> @judgen: No, but it's something like a couple months or something. Which has me worried, because it doesn't seem like it will be ready by then. Maybe they'll delay it.
[11:48] <sumguy231> @jerome_: It's in System Settings/Keyboard and Mouse/Keyboard Shortcuts/Shortcut Schemes. Once you're there just type 'show' in the search filter.
[11:49] <jerome_> i cant get win key + d to work
[11:49] <jerome_> its set to that but its not minimizing
[11:49] <judgen> Gutsy Gibbon, who will be succeeding
[11:49] <judgen> the Feisty Fawn as the focus of our development love in a few short
[11:49] <judgen> weeks, for release in October 2007.
[11:49] <jerome_> its not doing anything
[11:50] <jerome_> its set to win + d
[11:50] <jerome_> but it aint minizing
[11:50] <judgen> 18 october to be exact
[11:50] <scorpking> hi ppl. how do i check the connection speed of ppp0?
[11:50] <sumguy231> @jerome_: Hmm.... I guess I don't know then, really. It works fine for me. Sorry. I assume you hit 'apply' after that, right?
[11:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> sumguy231: you must not have been around for the high-speed feisty launch :P
[11:50] <jerome_> win e works
[11:50] <jerome_> but not wind d
[11:50] <jerome_> snore
[11:50] <sumguy231> @judgen: Oh, I thought we were talking about KDE4. Oops. :)
[11:51] <sumguy231> @jerome_: That's really weird. Sorry, I don't know.
[11:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah, and no, kde4 (as a whole) won't be done, but kde4 != kde 4.0.  look at the improvements to come up gradually on kde 3
[11:51] <rignes> Is there a way in KDE to have the "alwasy on top" option set every time you run a program?
[11:52] <jerome_> snore win + d dont work
[11:52] <judgen> jerome_ have you looked at both pages that no other function is mapped to the same "win+d" combination?
[11:52] <rignes> I can do it once it is running manually, but it doesn't stick between closing and then rerunning it.
[11:52] <jerome_> but win + e does
[11:52] <jerome_> its default install
[11:52] <jerome_> so i dont see why it should be
[11:52] <jerome_> and i removed minimize from win + d
[11:52] <sumguy231> @rignes: Right-click on a window, go to 'advanced', and then go to 'Special application settings'.
[11:52] <jerome_> resetting defaultsagain
[11:52] <judgen> sumguy231 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs is looks pretty on scheduale to me (gutsy that is)
[11:53] <jerome_> works now was some issue with it not having registered that win+d wasnt in use anymore from minimize
[11:53] <jerome_> even tho id disabled it and set it to none
[11:53] <sumguy231> @judgen: Oh yeah, I have no doubts about Gutsy. I'm really excited, looks like an excellent release. :)
[11:54] <jerome_> thanks sum
[11:54] <judgen> sumguy231 seems to be the best release yet
[11:54] <jerome_> ok next question - is there anyway to make my wifi connect by default with a set passkey?
[11:54] <sumguy231> @rignes: Then go to 'preferences',  check 'keep above',  change the dropdown to 'apply now', and check that checkbox to the right. I'll admit I don't really know what it's for, but I think it makes KDE happy. :)
[11:54] <jerome_> caus i hate having to do it manually but i dont see an option
[11:55] <rignes> sumguy231: Thanks, that is exactly what I needed! :D
[11:56] <merle> Hallo???
[11:56] <merle> hello??
[11:56] <owl> hi..
[11:56] <scorpking> halo
[11:56] <merle> germans here?
[11:56] <scorpking> !de
[11:56] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:56] <owl> yes
[11:57] <owl> <- german. at least my passport says...
[11:57] <merle> Is hier ein Junge, der Lust hat mit mir priv zu chatten? Bin auch m ...
[11:57] <jerome_> the desktop menu  - is there anyway to force it to show my firefox bookmarks ? atm its showing the konqueror ones
[11:57] <chosmoSantos> halo is a m$ game
[11:57] <owl> wtf?!
[11:57] <chosmoSantos> as far as I know
[11:58] <jerome_> was is das :
[11:58] <jerome_> :P
[11:58] <jerome_> nein
[11:58] <jerome_> :P
[11:58] <judgen> haha private chats...
[11:58] <jerome_> i dont sprechen zi deutsch :P
[11:58] <jerome_> so i wont be any help
[11:59] <merle> was is damit >jerome, judgen ?
[11:59] <judgen> owl is german
[11:59] <owl> might you should switch to english, merle?
[11:59] <jerome_> owl is lying :P he understood less than i did :P
[11:59] <jerome_> hence his wtf
[11:59] <jerome_> :P
[11:59] <judgen> aaah
[11:59] <merle> owl: why?
[11:59] <judgen> i understood, but i cant answer in german
[12:00] <owl> jerome_: hehehehehehehehehe, no further commets ;)
[12:00] <alejandro> how to change to nvidia binary module?
[12:00] <owl> merle: it's more polite to speak en in an international channel
[12:00] <judgen> damnit i need to get up in 18 hours =(
[12:00] <jerome_> ek kan afrikaans praat :P maar my deutsch is aaklig
[12:00] <merle> ahhh
[12:00] <judgen> Jag kan ven prata lite svenska om det hjlper.
[12:00] <merle> is it possible to chat private?
[12:00] <scorpking> i'm using a cellphone for my internet connection. if i use konversation or kopete i can connect but konqueror say 'could not connect to host htt..'. any ideas?
[12:01] <U238Willy> and hereyes it is
[12:01] <U238Willy> whoops
[12:01] <U238Willy> .. /query <nick>
[12:01] <U238Willy> to chat in private
[12:01] <jerome_> was that swedish or swiss judgen?
[12:01] <judgen> swedish
[12:01] <jerome_> heh i actually understood a bit of that due to afrikaans :P
[12:01] <judgen> there is no language called swiss
[12:01] <jerome_> yeah well swiss german/swiss french, italian etc :P
[12:01] <jerome_> they speak funny :P
[12:02] <Sanne> !offtopic
[12:02] <judgen> they speak german, french and moranic in swizerland.
[12:02] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:02] <judgen> =)
[12:02] <jerome_> !buzzkill :P
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about buzzkill :p - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:03] <jerome_> anyhow thanks for help all when ive got more time to spend ill port my games to linux and clear windows
[12:03] <jerome_> but not till the weekend its time consuming
[12:03] <judgen> btw, what is the even more stripped down metapackage of kde? kubuntu-desktop is the large one and kdebase is the smaller one. But what is the name of the smallest one?
[12:04] <jerome_> what can i do with an amd-k62 550mhz , 5 gig hdd, 256 mb ram pc?
[12:04] <jerome_> any use as a server?
[12:04] <scorpking> yes
[12:04] <judgen> jerome_ yes
[12:04] <Sanne> judgen: I think it's kde-core
[12:04] <jerome_> what would i make it do that this pc isnt doing already tho
[12:04] <judgen> Sanne thanks
[12:05] <sumguy231> @judgen: I don't think it gets more minimal than that short of just installing the kdelibs.
[12:05] <Sanne> :)
[12:05] <judgen> sumguy231 it was kde-core i was looking for.
[12:05] <scorpking> jerome_: my server is 200mhz, 96mb ram
[12:05] <sumguy231> Yeah, you're right. Sorry.
[12:05] <jerome_> and what do you have it do for ya scrop?
[12:05] <judgen> jerome_ i have an ir-server at 33mhz and 4mb ram.
[12:05] <jerome_> a firewall box?
[12:05] <jerome_> or what?
[12:06] <jerome_> what kinda use could i put it to
[12:06] <scorpking> jerome_: 320gb hd. file and web server. :)
[12:06] <Feudster> Hello
[12:06] <judgen> jerome_ you could have it as a fileserver, webserver, router, firewall, vnc, ssh, ftp, nsf you name it
[12:06] <judgen> but i think you need a larger harddrive for some of those things
[12:07] <jerome_> yeah, im thinking i dump a 40gig hdd in it and keep it as a media center, connected through to the tv
[12:07] <judgen> my 33mhz server has an 80mb harddisk.
[12:07] <jerome_> why bother keeping it jud?
[12:08] <judgen> jerome_ it will be too weak to play HD content though at that clockspeed, and the lack of sse in k6 processors-
[12:08] <Feudster> is it easy to set up a web server in ubuntu?
[12:08] <scorpking> yes
[12:08] <Feudster> which app do i look for?
[12:08] <judgen> jerome_ it runs fanless, and 33mhz is plenty for running my infrared remote server.
[12:08] <judgen> Feudster apache
[12:08] <scorpking> Feudster: apache
[12:08] <Feudster> thx
[12:09] <jerome_> one issue i need to sort out in linux is routing, lemme explain in south africa where i am bandwidth is EXPENSIVE - you pay an arm and a leg for bandwidth here, and small caps like 3gb on most accs. - so what i need to do is route bandwidth as local is cheaper i buy 2 accs , 1 local, 1 int, currently in windows i have a program called routesentry that routes the 2 connections so that local uses local, int uses int etc, how can i do that
[12:09] <jerome_> in linux or do i need an ipcop box or something?
[12:09] <judgen> jerome_ no idea, i have 1000mbit in the wall.... i dont have that problem.
[12:10] <jerome_> here 4mb is fastest connection and say a 4gb cap costs you like R500 , so that  about 80 us dollars
[12:10] <jerome_> just for the bandwidth
[12:10] <jerome_> never mind line rental etc
[12:10] <adaptr> jerome_ ipcop *is* Linux, one can do anything the other can
[12:10] <Feudster> does apache come pre installed with ubuntu?
[12:10] <adaptr> no
[12:11] <Feudster> or available through update
[12:11] <Feudster> ok
[12:11] <adaptr> yes
[12:11] <adenicio> help i got a webcame usb name creative i want to know how to install the pilots for it
[12:11] <jerome_> so i really need to find out how to route traffic
[12:11] <adaptr> jerome_ indeed :)
[12:11] <jerome_> or else i cant use linux its too expensive
[12:11] <Thothra> Apache comes with the LAMP install of Ubuntu.
[12:11] <sumguy231> @Feudster: You might want to install the server image, since it will also install MySQL+PHP and most other things you might need.
[12:11] <adaptr> jerome_ if you know what "local" means then you can set IP ranges quite easily
[12:11] <Feudster> is it hard for a noob to install apache?
[12:11] <adenicio> help i got a webcame usb name creative i want to know how to install the pilots for it.its not working
[12:11] <scorpking> Feudster: sudo aptitude install apache. put your website in /var/www/.
[12:11] <Bizzeh> hey, if i install kubuntu 7.04 and then install xgl and compiz-kde, what do i need to do to have it work properly?
[12:11] <adaptr> Feudster that depends on what you want it to do
[12:12] <Feudster> just want to serve some simple html
[12:12] <adaptr> Bizzeh xgl is not needed
[12:12] <adenicio> help i got a webcame usb name creative i want to know how to install the pilots for it.its not working
[12:12] <adaptr> Feudster that's what they all say :)
[12:12] <mayeco> sudo aptitude install apache
[12:12] <jerome_> well see my int comes over my wifi from a router not at my home - and my local i use bridge to connect
[12:13] <adenicio> help i got a webcame usb name creative i want to know how to install the pilots for it.its not working
[12:13] <inaety> where is support for compiz-fusion?
[12:13] <jerome_> http://antibody.za.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=32 - is what im looking for , if you can let me know how i would do that
[12:13] <alejandro> howto use nvidia drivers?
[12:13] <adaptr> I think you eat them
[12:13] <adenicio> help i got a webcame usb name creative i want to know how to install the pilots for it.its not working
[12:13] <adenicio> lol
[12:13] <scorpking> lol
[12:14] <scorpking> alejandro: download it from nvidia website and install it. that's one way of doing it.
[12:14] <judgen> jerome_ i just plug it into the wall and its costs me 22eur a month
[12:14] <judgen> jerome_ 1000mbit no caps
[12:15] <alejandro> i dont want to do that
[12:15] <adenicio> lol
[12:15] <judgen> but i think they have some limit on bittorrent though. Seems to never get into same speeds as my other activities, like ftp and such
[12:15] <adenicio> help i got a webcame usb name creative i want to know how to install the pilots for it.its not working
[12:15] <alejandro> i wana charge modules tat are already installed
[12:15] <alejandro> and run
[12:15] <jerome_> thats not helping :( its making me jealous
[12:16] <jerome_> if i have a list, databse of all local ips (south africa) how hard would it be to router that thru 1 con and int thru wifi default con
[12:17] <adenicio> help i got a webcame usb name creative i want to know how to install the pilots for it.its not working
[12:18] <jerome_> anyhow time for me to sleep and boot to the dreaded windows box for scanning
[12:18] <jerome_> thanks for all the help ill bug ya with routing sometime
[12:20] <judgen> i think ill crawl to bed too, cya dudes and dudettes
[12:21] <scorpking> anyone know how to check the speed of a connection? irc is the only thing i can use my computer for and it suck. :/ i think it's too slow
[12:21] <ubuntu_> i have a problem after windows instalation grub boot disappear and when i try install it agaain i fail , also the partation that ubuntu install on seem to be damage anyone  can help me to repaire it ?
[12:23] <scorpking> ubuntu_: you have to install windows before linux to make things easy. windows will replace the mbr. not sure how to fix it.
[12:23] <uakkeri> how to remake xorg.conf?
[12:24] <Thothra> uakkeri : I think in the file it tells you the command near the top to rebuild it from scratch.
[12:24] <hayami> hi
[12:24] <hayami> anyone here knows how to use XGngeo?
[12:24] <hayami> or Xmame?
[12:25] <hayami> any help ?:P
[12:26] <uakkeri>  Thothra: yes
[12:26] <uakkeri>  Thothra: thank you
[12:26] <Thothra> np
[12:26] <BluesKaj> !grub | ubuntu_
[12:26] <ubotu> ubuntu_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:28] <ubuntu_> thx i will read it and if something needed of course i will ask again :)
[12:31] <hayami> anyone knows about XGngeo?
[12:32] <scorpking> hayami: what is XGngeo?
[12:32] <NickPresta> !ask | hayami
[12:32] <ubotu> hayami: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:34] <hayami> well
[12:34] <hayami> i know about it dude :P
[12:34] <hayami> just that there's a problem with something about called Bios
[12:35] <hayami> and other folders i can't find it's an emulator tu run some games like king of fighters and a lot of arcade games
[12:35] <scorpking> never heard of it. will look it up some time...
[12:36] <hayami> thanks buddy
[12:36] <hayami> there's another one called Xmame
[12:36] <hayami> but i can't read the roms that's weird O.o
[12:36] <lkjlkj> can I adjust the brightness on my laptop? it's really bright.
[12:37] <drif> lkjlkj: which brand?