[03:12] <ESphynx> hey guys, I have an explicit dependency to 'Depends: fonts-freefont-ttf' ... but installing the i386 package on a 64 bit system says fonts-freefont-ttf:i386 is not installable :(
[03:55] <micahg> ESphynx: that's weird, it's arch all
[03:56] <ESphynx> micahg: yes I assumed it would be!
[03:56] <ESphynx> could it be that apt-get is being stupid?
[03:56] <micahg> ESphynx: does apt-cache show fonts-freefont-ttf display it as such
[03:57] <ESphynx> let me check. on another note VirtualBox guest additions doesn't support Quantal yet in latest version and that's depressing (no copy paste)
[03:58] <ESphynx> It does say Architecture: all
[03:58] <ESphynx> i didn't doubt that... it's just that installing an i386 package that depends on an :all package seems to expect it to be :i386 and doesn't recognize an all package as satisfying
[03:59] <ESphynx> (And there's no way to force an install regardless of a dependency check failing? :()
[03:59] <micahg> hrm
[04:00] <micahg> Depends: fonts-freefont-ttf:any might help (but it really shouldn't be needed)
[04:00] <RAOF> micahg: But you can't do that, right?
[04:01] <ESphynx> had problems with :any before I think :P
[04:01] <micahg> in the archive, no
[04:01] <RAOF> You can't depend on specific-arch versions; dpkg doesn't have the syntax.
[04:01] <ESphynx> I'd rather apt-get be fixed :P
[04:01] <micahg> ESphynx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Dependencies_involving_Architecture:_all_packages
[04:02] <micahg> right, so the font needs to be multiarch: allowed :-/
[04:02] <ESphynx> micahg: So the problem is that fonts package should have Multi-Arch: foreign or Multi-Arch: allowed. added?
[04:03] <ESphynx> fix it fix it fix it :P plz
[04:03] <ESphynx> can't install ecere on Quantal 64 =(
[04:04] <micahg> ESphynx: why are you depending on a font?
[04:04] <ESphynx> micahg: yeah Ecere will either look very bad or not show any test at all
[04:04] <ESphynx> any text*
[04:04] <ESphynx> and I was trying to avoid that.
[04:05] <micahg> ESphynx: it doesn't use the system fonts?
[04:05] <ESphynx> it uses fontconfig to try to match fonts
[04:05] <ESphynx> but it's its own GUI toolkit so it's rather low level...
[04:05] <ESphynx> liberation-sans I think is the one that works nicely
[04:06] <micahg> an IDE depending on a particular font certainly feels wrong
[04:06] <ESphynx> :P it doesn't depend on a particular font...
[04:06] <micahg> Depends: fonts-freefont-ttf
[04:06] <ESphynx> but somehow in earlier versions (Of Ubuntu as well I think), fontconfig would bail and return no font at all...
[04:06] <ESphynx> freefont is a font collection :P
[04:07] <ESphynx> they're installed by default though :P
[04:07] <micahg> right
[04:07] <micahg> well, even depending on a font collection seems wrong
[04:08] <micahg> (and the collection in installed by default)
[04:08] <micahg> well, at least in Ubuntu
[04:08] <ESphynx> yes it is...
[04:08] <ESphynx> in Ubuntu
[04:08] <ESphynx> but not in sid I think
[04:12] <micahg> ESphynx: well, in theory dropping it to a recommends would fix the issue on Ubuntu
[04:12]  * micahg wonders how it's installable on sid
[04:12] <micahg> ah, it's in experimental
[04:13] <micahg> still doesn't explain why it's installable
[04:14]  * micahg guesses piuparts doesn't run on experimental?
[04:15] <ESphynx> micahg: the font? it probably isn't... but I just tested in 32bit
[04:18] <micahg> ESphynx: arch
[04:18] <micahg>     i386 armel armhf powerpc all (from the PTS)
[04:19] <micahg> ah, ok
[04:19] <ESphynx> hmm?
[04:19] <ESphynx> was that ecere arch?
[04:19] <micahg> yeah
[04:19] <micahg> nevermind
[04:19] <ESphynx> some sub packages are all...
[04:20] <micahg> those won't be installable on amd64 either
[04:20]  * micahg would suggest dropping the font to a recommends and make your arch: all packages Multi-Arch: allowed
[04:21] <ESphynx> the other packages were fine
[04:21] <ESphynx> They installed fine on 64bit before , with my PPA.
[04:21] <ESphynx> (which didn't have the font thing)
[04:21] <ESphynx> recommends won't automatically install it though, will it?
[04:21] <micahg> oh, I guess they're not dependencies
[04:22] <micahg> recommends are installed by default, but should cause an install to fail
[04:22] <ESphynx> well they are dependencies
[04:22] <ESphynx> so I should probably make them Multi-Arch: allowed ...
[04:22] <ESphynx> that looks stupid to me though... I mean all , is all
[04:22] <ESphynx> why would it not multi arch
[04:22] <ESphynx> it's usually for docs and such
[04:23] <micahg> ESphynx: because of dpkg internal magic
[04:23] <ESphynx> LOL
[04:23] <ESphynx> you put it nicely ;)
[04:23] <ESphynx> will do
[04:23] <micahg> ESphynx: also, your packages are dependencies of the sdk so they should fail in the same way the font is
[04:23] <ESphynx> yeah I see that
[04:23] <micahg> *you arch: all
[04:23] <ESphynx> but they didn't, at least on Precise
[04:24] <micahg> weird
[04:24] <ESphynx> I installed them successfully off the PPA on Precise 64
[04:24] <ESphynx> weird indeed.
[04:24] <ESphynx> so I'll do both of your recommendations..
[04:24] <ESphynx> but I'm a bit depressed with the state of the whole thing :| especially the lack of copy past in my VM
[04:24] <micahg> ESphynx: 64 bit quantal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1301805/
[04:25] <ESphynx> micahg: ah I guess that's the same thing?
[04:25] <ESphynx> i got that too.. and then I tried to install ecere-dev:i386 manually
[04:25] <ESphynx> and I got that font thing
[04:25] <micahg> ESphynx: I'd also suggest dropping the samples and extras to recommends or suggests since I'm assuming the IDE works fine without them
[04:25] <ESphynx> yes it does
[04:25]  * micahg has the font since it's pulled in by xubuntu-desktop
[04:25] <ESphynx> but then they make up the sdk
[04:26] <ESphynx> one could just install ecere-dev =)
[04:26] <micahg> ah, ok
[04:26] <ESphynx> or libecere0 to run an Ecere app (which is the dependency for an Ecere ap)
[04:27] <micahg> ESphynx: wait, if it's a
[04:27] <micahg> oops
[04:29] <ESphynx> if it's a ... ?
[04:29] <micahg> I meant not to send that line :)
[04:29] <ESphynx> ah =)
[04:30] <ESphynx> ah well at least I'm not the only one pulling it in :P
[04:30] <micahg> ESphynx: you might want to also check the length of your descriptions, they seem to wrap at around 55 chars
[04:30] <ESphynx> I have it too installed, but it's just apt-get playing dumb
[04:30] <ESphynx> 55 chars?
[04:30] <micahg> (that fix wouldn't be good for an SRU, but would be good for raring)
[04:31] <micahg> it's not as wide as a normal terminal (80 characters)
[04:31] <ESphynx> A description fix you mean?
[04:31] <micahg> yeha
[04:31] <ESphynx> I was all confused with the description length thing
[04:31] <ESphynx> and the space or 2 spaces before...
[04:31] <ESphynx> https://github.com/ecere/sdk/blob/ppa/debian/debian/control
[04:31] <ESphynx> that's my control file
[04:31] <ESphynx> I auto wrapped them I think.
[04:31] <micahg> ESphynx: you might want to run wrap-and-sort on it
[04:31] <ESphynx> k
[04:32] <ESphynx> If I can get copy/paste in Quantal, I'd like to do a new package and upload it to debian/unstable instead of experimental
[04:32] <ESphynx> that can get pulled in for a SRU ? i've some bug fixes in there...
[04:33] <ESphynx> also hoping to get the build further on ARM and PPC
[04:33] <micahg> well, SRU rules are pretty strict, but if the bug fixes are auditable, it might be ok
[04:33] <ESphynx> How strict are they?
[04:34] <micahg> ESphynx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#When
[04:34] <ESphynx> "Bugs which do not fit under above categories, but (1) have an obviously safe patch and (2) affect an application rather than critical infrastructure packages (like X.org or the kernel)." and potentially FTBFS for ARM/PPC =)
[04:35] <ESphynx> good to know the process =) thanks.
[04:36] <ESphynx> also this 64 bit thing is likely the most important reason for a SRU...
[04:36] <ESphynx> it's currently unusable :| major downer
[04:37] <micahg> yeah, the control file changes (except for the description) should be fine
[04:37] <ESphynx> K so I shouldn't change the description then?
[04:37] <micahg> not for the SRU
[04:38] <micahg> well, unless some SRU person thinks that's fine
[04:38] <micahg> (since you're not changing any strings)
[04:38] <ESphynx> I can still upload to debian/unstable first though?
[04:38] <ESphynx> and file the SRU request as a sync from debian?
[04:39] <micahg> ESphynx: well, if it's just for the control file change, I'd just prepare a debdiff for quantal and focus on the new version in unstable
[04:39] <ESphynx> no it's for a new minor release with bug fixes
[04:40] <micahg> well, either way, it's not a straight sync from unstable -> quantal, it would be a sync to raring and at best a backport in -proposed from raring
[04:41] <micahg> that's if the minor release meets the SRU criteria
[04:41] <ESphynx> e.g. https://github.com/ecere/sdk/commit/a0f37656a3f8d216bc42a3a3bcebeb1ac21bcab0
[04:41] <ESphynx> k
[04:42]  * micahg is not an SRU member
[04:42] <ESphynx> hehe yeah, thanks for the help anyways ;)
[04:42] <ESphynx> I have to get it in unstable first and then raring first :P
[04:43] <RAOF> Note that we're more lenient for SRUs to Universe packages.
[04:43] <ESphynx> ah... so RAOF is an SRU member =) good to know :P
[04:44] <RAOF> Also, it looks like whoever wrote that code needs to be hit with a cluebat.
[04:44] <ESphynx> when it's not universe it's...? :P
[04:44]  * ESphynx wrote it
[04:44] <ESphynx> :P
[04:44] <RAOF> One does not simply write() structures to disc ☺
[04:44]  * ESphynx dodges
[04:45] <ESphynx> back in the days when computers performed well you did :P
[04:45] <RAOF> Because, as you've found, even when on exactly the same architecture, C does not guarantee the memory layout of your structure.
[04:45] <RAOF> ESphynx: No, back in the days when I was programming on *win32* one did :)
[04:46] <ESphynx> RAOF the whole sturct is __attribute__((packed)) though
[04:46] <ESphynx> I still don't understand why GCC 4.7 gave me a hard time with that one.. but it sure did
[04:47] <ESphynx> (that and a bunch of other things)
[04:47] <StevenK> ESphynx: So, you run it with 32 bit and it writes out a struct. Then you re-install with 64 bit and read in that struct. And that's bad.
[04:47] <ESphynx> and the struct is Swap() for big endian :P
[04:47] <ESphynx> 64 bit? 32 bit/
[04:48] <ESphynx> the size of the types are the same
[04:48] <ESphynx> nothing bad there. just a bug in GCC 4.7 disregarding my attribute(packed), which I worked around :P
[05:08] <micahg> ESphynx: it's a regression over precise
[05:08] <micahg> (the arch: all handling)
[05:09] <ESphynx> micahg: yeah looks like it
[05:09] <ESphynx> you could say that of Quantal as well (apart from including ecere of course :P)
[05:14] <micahg> Bug #1070672
[05:16] <micahg> ESphynx: ^^ so you don't have to worry about an SRU (aside from your bug fixes)
[05:19] <ESphynx> ah great! :) thanks a lot micahg!!
[05:19] <micahg> ESphynx: thanks goes to pehjota in #multiarch on OFTC
[05:20] <ESphynx> this is gonna get backported to Quantal soon right? :)
[05:21] <micahg> slangasek: ^^
[05:25] <slangasek> micahg: er, architecture: all packages are *not* implicitly multi-arch: foreign
[05:27] <ESphynx> they were in Precise?
[05:27] <slangasek> no, they were not
[05:27] <slangasek> see follow-up to the bug
[05:28] <ESphynx> slangasek: here I have a package that specifies a dependency on an 'all' package...
[05:28] <ESphynx> and it fails to satisfy that dependency even though the package is obviously already installed?
[05:28] <slangasek> correct
[05:29] <ESphynx> now I can't install my software because of that :|
[05:29] <ESphynx> i see that as valid, very annoying bug :P
[05:31] <slangasek> well, you're mistaken.  This is defined in the multiarch spec.
[05:31] <slangasek> the arch: all package needs to be explicitly marked Multi-Arch: foreign if it indeed satisfies cross-dependencies.
[05:32] <ESphynx> slangasek: but when/why would an all package 'NOT' satisfy cross-dependencies?
[05:32] <ESphynx> and in that case the bug is that fonts SHOUD specify Multi-Arch: foreign... but that's an annoyance, it should be default?
[05:32] <slangasek> no, making it the default is not backwards-compatible, as defined in the spec
[05:33] <ESphynx> Why wasn't I invited at the multiarch specs meeting :P
[05:34] <ESphynx> I would have said to copy MS... they got it right before anyone had X64 CPUs!!!
[05:34] <ESphynx> it has always been a breeze to run 32 bit software on a 64bit Windows
[05:35] <RAOF> Mainly because you're expected to bundle all your dependencies on Windows :)
[05:36] <ESphynx> RAOF : is that the reason? I always wondered.
[05:36] <ESphynx> So anyways, I guess we're back to I have to switch to a recommends:
[05:39] <slangasek> it's legitimate to ask for the dependent package in question to be marked M-A: foreign
[05:40] <ESphynx> slangasek: package in question is font-freefont-ttf =)
[05:40] <ESphynx> slangasek: the question though, is why was I getting away with this in Precise?
[05:41] <ESphynx> my packages didn't have Multi-Arch: foreign either
[05:41] <ESphynx> i.e. when you apt-get install ecere-sdk
[05:41] <ESphynx> it depends on ecere-samples which is all, and not marked as Multi-Arch, and it would install on Precise 64
[05:42] <slangasek> I know of no reason that Arch: all dependency handling would've worked any differently in precise
[06:55] <dholbach> good morning
[08:46] <cjwatson> ESphynx: The canonical example of why Architecture: all must not be considered to imply Multi-Arch: foreign is that of Python extensions.
[08:46] <cjwatson> (As, I think, is mentioned in the spec.)
[08:48] <cjwatson> Or possibly that's a slightly different case.  Haven't quite had enough coffee yet.
[09:28] <Laney> first use of sponsor-patch fails
[09:28] <Laney> bdrung: it looks like it doesn't consider the target of the upload in the changelog diff when downloading the source package?
[10:20] <bdrung> Laney: good question. it downloads the source from the series of the bug report.
[11:18] <obounaim> Hello everybody.
[11:19] <obounaim> When I use pbuilder to create minimal environment for Ubuntu Raring I get "Unknown distribution".
[11:23] <maxb> most likely you need an updated debootstrap
[11:23] <obounaim> how to do it?
[11:24] <cjwatson> sudo ln -s gutsy /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/raring
[11:24] <cjwatson> for the meantime
[11:24] <cjwatson> we'll get a backport together at some point
[11:31] <obounaim> Would you please explain to me in more details why do I need to do this?
[11:32] <cjwatson> Because debootstrap needs to know about the specific distribution it's bootstrapping, and we didn't even know the name of raring until too late to include that in 12.10's debootstrap package.
[11:44] <obounaim> Ok but as I can see most of Ubuntu versions  are links to the gusty file, why?
[11:44] <maxb> Because the same logic works
[11:44] <StevenK> obounaim: Those scripts tell debootstrap how the Ubuntu release needs to be constructed, which hasn't changed since Gutsy.
[11:47] <cjwatson> Indeed.  It used to be different, and it still might differ again in the future.
[11:47] <obounaim> Ok thank you everybody.
[11:48] <maxb> I once took a look at those old scripts. Annoyingly, most of the divergence appears to be formatting, with the occasional tiny functional change interleaved
[11:48] <cjwatson> There were real functional changes, but it's probably easier to look at them in git.
[12:50] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek starting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[13:39] <Laney> bdrung: culmus> please make sure it's sent upstream
[13:39] <bdrung> Laney: it was on my todo list to mail it
[13:40] <Laney> ok
[13:49] <bdrung> Laney: fix sent to upstream author
[13:50] <Laney> merci
[13:50] <Laney> worth noting in the bug
[13:52] <bdrung> done
[14:39] <micahg> slangasek: sorry about that, ISTR something about not wanting to update all arch: all packages to be Multi-Arch: foreign, but the outcome of that discussion could've just been to wait until it was needed
[14:58] <slangasek> micahg: effectively, yes :)


[05:07] <haseeliyue> 这里是做啥的？
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[01:02] <wrst> ha ha minasota, good night :)
[04:10] <Omnifrog> the evening news is frighting
[13:26] <wrst> Omnifrog: I have been evening news free for several years now, makes you a lot happier :)
[14:57] <[Ubik]> I have a feeling some of those places use the same on-line ordering company. I've seen a couple of sites (I want to say Domino's and Pizza Hut) where the on-line ordering looked VERY similar.
[23:11]  * minasota really doesn't like that it's dark by 1700...
[23:12] <Unit193> Don't Be Afraid of the Dark.
[23:13] <minasota> Ha, well, we have a good "night light" for now...
[23:14] <minasota> On a lighter note, a coyote decided to visit the neighborhood last night
[23:14] <minasota> At around 2 am
[23:14] <minasota> THAT was fun...
[23:15] <Unit193> Heh, indeed.  And wow that's fun then, cause much trouble?  Only really had to deal with 'coons.
[23:15] <cyberanger> minasota: One of Arnold's Engine tests scare it into town?
[23:16] <minasota> Unit193: No, not really, just caused all every dog in 3 square miles to bark
[23:17] <Unit193> Bleh..
[23:17] <minasota> Plus, I've never liked the way they sound, it's a freaky kinda howl/cry
[23:20] <minasota> cyberanger: It was probably following the deer from out there... :)
[23:20] <cyberanger> Yeah, they're a special high-ish pitch of a howl.
[23:20] <Unit193> Larger too.  'coons just get into stuff and have those beedy glowing eyes.
[23:21] <minasota> yeah, and coons don't stink like coyotes... vultures on four legs
[23:22] <minasota> Unit193: but those glowing eyes make them easier to shoot...
[23:22] <Unit193> > City.
[23:23] <minasota> My neighbor has a registered wolf/dog... that went over well last night
[23:24] <cyberanger> lol
[23:25] <minasota> Unit193: if coons get into your trash, load a hot dog or two with some cayenne pepper etc...
[23:26] <cyberanger> Or cover a grenade in meat, replace the pin with bacon, sit back and wait.
[23:26] <minasota> lol, or that too
[23:26] <cyberanger> and when I say sit back, I mean BACK!!!!!!
[23:27] <Unit193> cyberanger: Preeeeety sure that'd be worse than a .22.
[23:27] <Unit193> minasota: Interestingly, never gotten into the trash.
[23:28] <minasota> You can get some pretty high powered air rifles that are quite
[23:29] <cyberanger> Unit193: I'd think it'd be better, make taking care of vermin a blast.
[23:29]  * cyberanger is a punny guy, takes a bow.
[23:29] <minasota> har har
[23:31] <minasota> Trip wire around the perimeter connected to strategically placed claymores would work, too :D
[23:31] <Unit193> https://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?s=269bf1280331f8600636e50f9b4c52c2&p=1074714&postcount=8 dang, so much for that idea...
[23:32] <minasota> Just go all redneck Unit193, take an old oil filter and screw it on the end of your rifle
[23:34] <Unit193> Well, have a compound, but arrows aren't cheap sadly.
[23:35] <minasota> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haiqFcIXTqs
[23:44] <Unit193> Bah, now I want to go hit some targets. :(


[15:08] <koolhead17> kim0, around?
[15:23] <kim0> koolhead17: yeah
[15:29] <hggdh> lborda: on the timestamp issue -- were the machines out of sync timewise?
[15:31] <lborda> hggdh, very little
[15:31] <hggdh> lborda: little like in a few mili/nano seconds?
[15:31] <hggdh> or micro, for that matter ;-)
[15:34] <lborda> hggdh, don't know exactly, yesterday i sent you the wrong logs one was from 04 and another from Aug 9th... i was too tired i guess
[15:34] <lborda> hggdh, but anyway the config was wrong... it was timesync with external hosts instead of doing with the clc...
[15:34] <hggdh> lborda: but yes, out-of-sync machines could cause problems.
[15:35] <lborda> hggdh, yeah i've had this problem before with uec
[15:35] <hggdh> this is why NTP is now required (or an equivalent)
[15:36] <koolhead17> its compulsory (NTP) for time sync
[15:36] <hggdh> you could set the CLC to get the time from elsewhere, and be a stratum 3 (or 4, or five...) to the UEC machines. As long as all of them are in sync with each other, we are cool
[15:36] <koolhead17> TeTeT, hellos
[15:36] <hggdh> koolhead17: a common time server is
[15:37] <hggdh> (usually under NTP)
[15:39] <koolhead17> hmm
[15:47] <hggdh> koolhead17: due to http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1137-1/ -- if the servers are out-of-sync, you are going to see a lot of error messages like "Message replay detected.  Same signature was used within the last 15 minutes."
[15:48] <hggdh> now, if they *are* in sync, and you see these messages, you should look more careuflly. Might be a flase positive, might not...
[15:50]  * hggdh kicks own's dyslexia
[15:50] <koolhead17> hggdh, :P
[16:02] <TeTeT> hi koolhead17
[16:03] <koolhead17> TeTeT, i am loving Germany
[16:03] <koolhead17> :P
[16:04] <TeTeT> koolhead17: glad to hear, stay here and study


[01:07] <nantou> i dont find the gui for asterisk, can abnyone help?
[01:11] <well_laid_lawn> !info asterisk
[01:14] <well_laid_lawn> nantou: see if this helps - https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Beginning+Asterisk
[01:15] <nantou> well_laid_lawn, by any chance, do you use it?
[01:18] <well_laid_lawn> nantou: nope I'd never even heard of it
[01:22] <cyberanger> I use it
[01:22] <cyberanger> real nice PBX software
[01:24] <nantou> cyberanger, installed it from synaptic, dont see any icon in the menu, is it terminal access only?
[01:24] <nantou> or, do I have to validate it per https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Validating+Your+AsteriskNOW+Installation
[01:25] <nantou> ?
[01:25] <cyberanger> it's not even terminal access, it's a daemon, with config files
[01:25] <cyberanger> the Asterisk GUI was rolled into AsteriskNOW, which I don't use, so I don't know about that
[01:26] <cyberanger> I just use the core asterisk, and set it up with a text editor on the config files
[01:27] <nantou> so I dont need to do whats in the link I pasted...
[01:31] <cyberanger> well, it sounds like if your looking for a gui, you've not done any/enough setup to be able to verify it yet (they use validate it instead, idk why, but what they're talking about is ensuring it's fully setup)
[01:31] <cyberanger> the only package I can see in the repository for an asterisk gui is gastman
[01:32] <cyberanger> or you could try FreePBX or AsteriskNOW, but those are full fledged distros, not packages for xubuntu
[01:34]  * cyberanger apoligizes for having to leave so suddenly, but work beckons
[01:35] <cyberanger> nantou: I'd be willing to talk later on it, perhaps #asterisk could help you in the mean time
[01:35] <nantou> well, I managed to use gastman
[01:35] <nantou> thx cyberanger
[01:36] <nantou> we may see each other in here
[03:25] <lestus> its like the devices are meant to be hidden but are showing up for some reason on the desktop
[03:25] <lestus> weird
[03:25] <lestus> dont even have a floppy drive
[03:49] <holstein> lestus: you mind taking a screenshot?
[04:33] <sdollins> lestus: 2 floppy drives appeared on my desktop once
[04:33] <sdollins> idk why
[04:44] <lestus> holstein, i'll be glad to sure
[04:46] <lestus> holstein, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-281012-144519.php
[04:47] <sdollins> Can you right click and see what device it belongs to?
[04:50] <lestus> sdollins, no
[04:51] <lestus> sdollins, the two floppies shouldnt be here and weren't in 12.04 also i would at least understand if there was just one of them, but a double up on every device is weird
[04:51] <lestus> sdollins, but it only does it for things plugged in internally not hard drive plugged in through usb
[05:36] <xubuntu359> hello everyone i need help
[05:37] <xubuntu359> hello
[06:12] <bitcycle> Damn.  I'm impressed.  Xubuntu has really impressed me, after working with the latest ubuntu release.
[06:48] <nikolam> hi, just installed xubuntu 12.04  x86_64 from alternate CD on BTRFS in top of mdraid 1 (know now it is better without md, will do it next time like that) and would like to share some (mostly desktop) impressions
[06:49] <nikolam> Firstly, Firestarter is complaining about not able to write into logs and I am unsure if it is working and relaying internet connection to other hosts over lan
[06:50] <nikolam> Next, reely annoying just a few pixels wide windows by default, mostly unable me to stretch windows dragging corners in right-down corner (uh uh)
[06:51] <nikolam> I could live with wider window borders, to make it work
[06:54] <nikolam> smplayer have some bug stopping playing when paused several times with space key.. I suppose because it is an LTS, I should just live with it, for , say, next 3 years?
[06:54] <nikolam> parole does not resize video playback ratio to video size by default,
[07:12] <nikolam> Also my first impression on 12.04 coming from 10.04 was: Ohh.. I am on KDE :) (gray theme)
[07:13] <Marzatha> nikolam: hi, this is a support channel, for random thoughts there is an offtopic and club channels :)
[07:15] <nikolam> Marzatha, yes, I know, sorry, then just serious thoughts here. :)
[07:17] <nikolam> Marzatha, what GUI do you use to set up your firewall? I found gufw inadequate comparing to Firestarter and Firestarter in 12.04 seem to have some logging issues
[07:18] <Marzatha> nikolam: no gui used here
[07:19] <nikolam> Also, just to mention, that popping-up transparent xfce panel on the bottom , sometimes just stuck and won't go down anymore.
[07:20] <Marzatha> nikolam: it is deleted here
[07:20] <nikolam> also, weather update panel plugin don't refresh weather info from yesterday afternoon. It worked day before.
[07:21] <nikolam> sensors plugin still requres ' sudo chmod u+s /usr/sbin/hddtemp ' to work
[07:23] <nikolam> I also don't like all-grey window title, since it is then harder to find it on window top when wanting to move window
[07:25] <nikolam> Marzatha, firestarte is super-easy I used it till now, that is why I did not learn to set firewall manually in config files :)
[07:25] <nikolam> firestarter
[10:19] <pimperle> is there an own channel for cryptsetup/luks related questions?
[10:20] <pimperle> i'd like to unlock a usb-stick with a keyfile first. if that worked, it should be mounted and all other 3 devices be unlocked with the keyfile. if not, 3 passwords shall be asked for
[10:38] <pimperle> does cryptsetup use the scripts in /etc/init via upstart or in /etc/init.d?
[10:58] <xubuntu637> hello
[10:59] <xubuntu637> i'm installing xubuntu 12.10. it stops at" configuring update-notifier-common"... can anyone help me?
[11:21] <nikolam> does Firestarter works for you?
[11:22] <nikolam> It complains to me about using logs and warns about firewall not started
[11:22] <nikolam> but i think it starts it, just not all is woking?
[11:26] <nikolam> also I got much application crashing reports from various applications
[11:26] <nikolam> cheese as an example from few seconds ago
[11:26] <nikolam> 64-bit 12.04
[11:29] <aliquis> hello i want to install xubuntu on my packard laptop but in system installation it say me asking for cache data failed, assuming drive cache write trough test wp failed. I m installing from cd rom but from usb is the same how can I resolve
[11:30] <nikolam> I also have a feeling that installing and uninstalling applications is slower then before. Maybe because I installed on Btrfs on top of MD RAID device.
[11:31] <aliquis> the image is 64 bit xubuntu 12.04
[11:32] <nikolam> aliquis maybe drive is truly failing?
[11:32] <nikolam> Care to run manufaturer drive diagnostics?
[11:32] <aliquis> where?
[11:33] <nikolam> You can look for drive manufacturer and model
[11:34] <nikolam> also see for computer bios/firmware manual to see if such settings are somewhere in computer bios
[11:34] <nikolam> You can also try installing from alternate CD for xubuntu
[11:34] <nikolam> or try newer xubuntu release
[11:35] <nikolam> But I would first try recognizing drive manufacrturer and model
[11:35] <aliquis> i see in internet that some people have the same problem and must fix i dont know how
[11:36] <nikolam> sudo lshw might help. If more people have exact same problem, try reporting a bug on launchpad, alto try to find if bug is already reported
[11:37] <xubuntu424> can anyone help me?
[11:37] <nikolam> Or you can contact drive manufacturer directly and computer manufacturer, too.
[11:38] <torax> xubuntu424: maybe, what the problem?
[11:38] <nikolam> xubuntu424, just ask. don't ask to ask, just do it. :)
[11:38] <xubuntu424> well
[11:38] <xubuntu424> i'm installing xubuntu 12.10
[11:38] <aliquis> istalled generic driver SCSI driver for cdrom
[11:38] <xubuntu424> it stops at configuring update-manager-common
[11:38] <xubuntu424> it freezes
[11:38] <aliquis> and generic usb driver
[11:39] <xubuntu424> i'm installing from pen drive
[11:40] <xubuntu424> i'm writing from the installation session
[11:41] <xubuntu424> processing triggers it says
[11:41] <nikolam> xubuntu424, is disk working. or cpu usage is high? maybe it needs waiting? (I am on 12.04)
[11:41] <xubuntu424> disk is not working
[11:42] <nikolam> and what top is saying?
[11:42] <xubuntu424> sorry i don't understand. i'm from italy
[11:42] <xubuntu424> what's top?
[11:43] <nikolam> top is command line tool for dispaying cpu and memory usage etc
[11:43] <xubuntu424> ok, thanks. how can i start it?
[11:43] <xubuntu424> i think cpu usage is low.
[11:44] <xubuntu424> there are no rumors
[11:44] <xubuntu424> nothing.
[11:45] <nikolam> I would start command line first (alt+f2 and xterm or xfce4-terminal) or from Accessories> terminal emulator , or Ctrl+Alt+F2... gives consoles. F7 is X session.
[11:46] <xubuntu424> i've done it
[11:46] <xubuntu424> i've opened xterm
[11:46] <xubuntu424> now i launch xfce4-terminal
[11:46] <nikolam> I usually don' t let machine be using internet connection during install. To avoid it (mis) using internet to download newer package data during install.
[11:47] <xubuntu424> i started top
[11:47] <xubuntu424> ok, so i have to reinstall without connections?
[11:48] <xubuntu424> it says 2 processes zombie
[11:48] <nikolam> you don't need to. I am just saying that it MAY be that instalaltion is also checking newer packaging on network and therefore stall a bit. But may not be a case
[11:48] <nikolam> what are they
[11:49] <xubuntu424> i dont' know. it says only 2 processes
[11:49] <xubuntu424> wait..
[11:49] <nikolam> I am from Serbia, btw. I guess you also have your LoCos in Italy :)
[11:50] <nikolam> Local Community
[11:51] <xubuntu424> zombies: xsetroot and
[11:51] <xubuntu424> xfsettingsd
[11:51] <xubuntu424> it's the first time i use irc :))
[11:52] <nikolam> there is also command pstree to see from what processes depend from.
[11:52] <nikolam> xubuntu424, welcome to irc :)
[11:52] <xubuntu424> ok
[11:52] <xubuntu424> :)
[11:53] <xubuntu424> ok, it's started after 30 minutes and installation is now complete... it's very strange!!!
[11:53] <xubuntu424> however, thanks for your help!!!
[11:53] <nikolam> xubuntu424,  so it is ok now? I guess waiting was needed :)
[11:53] <nikolam> np :)
[11:54] <xubuntu424> see you in 10 min... i think i have other problems... hahhahahahaha
[11:54] <xubuntu424> bye!!
[11:54]  * nikolam going to launch heh :)
[11:55]  * nikolam lunch and after that launch :)
[11:55] <john_rambo> When I try to eject a DVD I get "Failed to eject medium; one or more volumes on the medium are busy.."
[11:55] <nikolam> john_rambo, see lsof command to see if some application is using it.
[11:55] <nikolam> you can use lsof | grep <cd mount point name> to filter
[11:56] <nikolam> then umount/eject
[11:57] <nikolam> you get mount point from df -h
[12:02] <john_rambo> I am copying data from DVDs one by one. The last one responded to umount but quite late. I was showing device or resource busy I am copying another DVD atm. Lets see what happens with this one
[12:04] <nikolam> john_rambo, dvds get dirty and increasingly unreliable lately, since their cost is very low for new ones. Don't make them like they used to do.
[12:05] <nikolam> it is great actually not being able to eject them before application finish with them.
[12:06] <john_rambo> Yes quality has decreased . I am trying to eject it after the copy dialog box disappears
[12:07] <nikolam> it mostly do not finish if dialog is closed
[12:08] <nikolam> there are caches on disk, and on computer side and also depends how application is handling it etc
[12:09] <nikolam> like you need to be sure you unmounted USB flash before pulling it, right?
[12:10] <john_rambo> Right but I am not closing the copy window. Its closing itself after copying is finished
[12:11] <nikolam> john_rambo, yes, but it does not matter. windows are windows, apps are apps and caches are caches :)
[12:11] <nikolam> see lsof | grep drive
[12:17] <john_rambo> nikolam, http://pastebin.com/Kp1dLYUK
[12:20] <nikolam> john_rambo, I just suppos that is how thing should be doing. Waiting before app finish reading. Also sudo lsof | grep /media maybe?
[12:23] <john_rambo> nikolam, http://pastebin.com/x4J06c4W
[12:23] <nikolam> Hm, I just see I personally do not even have cd/DVD in /etc/fstab , after installing. strange , because cd was use for install :)
[12:25] <nikolam> aha I see
[12:26] <nikolam> it makes fast viewing images of your iamge files - thumbnails
[12:26] <nikolam> maybe you can temporeraly disable it if you dont't want that
[12:29] <john_rambo> I went to view > view as compact list. Its still stuck.Cant unmount or eject
[12:29] <nikolam> maybe kill tumblerd or uninstall tumbler temporarily , or figure aout to tell tumblerd not to make thumbnails for removable druves
[12:34] <john_rambo> nikolam, The following packages will be REMOVED tumbler* xubuntu-desktop* !!!
[12:35] <nikolam> uh uh  nope :)
[12:36] <nikolam> oh, ok, xubuntu-desktop is nothing but decription-only metapackage that desktop parts are depending from.
[12:36] <nikolam> see for yourself in synaptic
[12:38] <nikolam> I'll just kill it temporarily
[12:39] <john_rambo> Uninstalled
[12:39] <john_rambo> Now I will test with a DVD
[12:42] <nikolam> see if it is still there with ps -A
[12:43] <nikolam> kill it by PID if needed
[12:44] <nikolam> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2056424
[12:47] <nikolam> But there seems the solution using AppArmor: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/471701-tumblerd-large-files.html
[12:48] <john_rambo> Problem solved. Thanks
[12:49] <nikolam> I am trying to do that leaving it there, but using apparmor.
[12:50] <nikolam> But I guess upgrading to xfce4.10 (using that PPA with newer xfce) or upgading to 12.10 r setting apparmor to "rule" it, would do the trick
[12:51] <nikolam> I never heard before apparmot, it is interesting.
[12:51] <nikolam> apparmor
[13:21] <nikolam> And now I can not eject CD fropm the drive
[13:21] <nikolam> After installing from alternate cd on btrfs, I have not seen dvd/cd in /dev/fstab
[13:21] <nikolam> I inserted cd in drive adn is now refusing to eject, it is 12.04 64-bit
[13:21] <nikolam> $ sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[13:21] <nikolam> eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[13:22] <nikolam> it's PATA drive
[14:13] <holstein> lestus: thanks... that is odd... i know there are some interesting doubling icon issues going on.. but you say you dont even have a floppy.
[14:54] <exilarch> Hello! I am having a problem with my new xubuntu 12.10 installation. My multimedia volume +/- keys don't seem to work. I can see the OSD going up and down, but the actual volume level doesn't change.
[14:55] <torax> I have the same problem
[14:56] <Raytray> Uhm, if I remembered correctly, to correct the issue I set the default mixer to the right channel so when the keys were pressed they would alter the right channel/card
[14:57] <Raytray> I went through the settings editor and changed the mixer's default sound card. I also use xfce4-mixer if that might change anythign
[15:00] <exilarch> Raytray: I see the string value. pulseaudio volume control says that my card is "PCM2902 Audio Codec Analog Stereo". How should I write it in the xfce4-mixer field?
[15:02] <Raytray> exilarch, I'm not entirely certain on this, whatI did was under sound-mixer was change active-card string value to the same value listed in sound-card
[15:03] <Raytray> There should also be a list of sound-card values stored under the array sound-cards
[15:03] <Raytray> the name of which are the properties on the left side
[15:06] <exilarch> Raytray: I don't seem to have this array listed : http://i.imgur.com/uZaoH.png
[15:09] <Raytray> Googling around, I find this
[15:09] <Raytray> err http://askubuntu.com/questions/130927/how-to-switch-default-sound-device-controlled-by-hardware-keys-in-xubuntu which I used the first time around
[15:09] <Raytray> I'm not sure how to find the soundcard thing in the settings editor
[15:10] <Raytray> however, from what it appears, it's simply word for word what's on the mixer sound card choices, without spaces or parenthesis
[15:11] <exilarch> Raytray: Thank you ! I will try it and report back
[15:11] <Raytray> Ok, good luck
[15:14] <hhhzzzarn> .
[15:26] <Guest7050> good afternoon, is there a "wubi-like" installer for xubuntu, i have my w7 pc and no usb drives/cds to burn iso to
[15:27] <Guest7050> hello?
[15:28] <hhhzzzarn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1961647
[15:28] <hhhzzzarn> Try that for wubi and xubuntu installation.
[15:28] <Guest7050> thank you very much
[15:28] <Guest7050> i'll give it a try
[15:30] <hhhzzzarn> well it is different then your situation.
[15:30] <hhhzzzarn> you should find a usb :)
[15:31] <GridCube> Guest7050, what seems to be the problem? :)
 good afternoon, is there a "wubi-like" installer for xubuntu, i have my w7 pc and no usb drives/cds to burn iso to
[15:32] <GridCube> wubi-like? whats wrong with plain wubi?
[15:32] <hhhzzzarn> he wants to install xubuntu with wubi but can not.
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1961647
[15:32] <GridCube> but why?
[15:32] <hhhzzzarn> didn't tell.
[15:32] <GridCube> wubi should work just like it does in ubuntu
[15:33] <GridCube> xubuntu its not different to mainbuntu at that level
[15:36] <Guest7050> wubi does not include xubuntu
[15:37] <Guest7050> trying to run wubi after deleting ubuntu iso and leaving xubuntu's iso in the same folder
[15:44] <GridCube> Guest7050, well... i see that the wubi installer is gone, didnt knew that, you can simply install ubuntu using wubi and then install xubuntu-desktop metapackage
[15:45] <hhhzzzarn> Yes, that is your other option :)
[15:45] <hhhzzzarn> Grid, were you the down removing ubuntu-desktop metapackage yesterday?
[15:46] <GridCube> no
[15:46] <GridCube> what happened?
[15:51] <hhhzzzarn> someone was asking if anyone had experience with removing ubuntu-desktop metapackage and install something else or reinstalling it. If somethings would break or not.
[15:52] <GridCube> removing the metapackage would not harm in any way
[15:52] <GridCube> its just a meta, it installs other stuffs, its not something by itself
[15:57] <Guest7050> one more question, i just partitioned my hd in 3 c: for windows, d: for windows data: z for linux; now, does wubi allow me to install xubuntu on partition z so that i can dual boot?
[15:58] <GridCube> if you do that... then why wubi?
[15:58] <hhhzzzarn> i thought wubi always install in the same partition as windows?
[15:58] <GridCube> wubi its the worst idea if you can do that
[15:58] <Guest7050> exactly, that is my doubt
[15:58] <hhhzzzarn> Gridcube, he has no cd or usb drives.
[15:59] <GridCube> ...
[15:59] <hhhzzzarn> how can you not have usb or cd drives?
[15:59] <GridCube> ok let me do some research
[15:59] <hhhzzzarn> what kind of computer is that?
[15:59] <Guest7050> :) it's has a dvd drive and usb ports, i just don't have any media at hand
[15:59] <hhhzzzarn> lol :(
[16:00] <hhhzzzarn> just wait until you get it because it is not worth to install through wubi because you did not have a usb at hand.
[16:01] <GridCube> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1837384
[16:01] <GridCube> Guest7050, ^^^ check that
[16:01] <Guest7050> i'll take a look at it, thanks
[16:03] <hhhzzzarn> .
[16:04] <SkippersBoss> hi
[16:04] <SkippersBoss> Any one else got problem with update plugin
[16:04] <GridCube> like what?
[16:05] <SkippersBoss> It keeeps saying update info out of date
[16:05] <SkippersBoss> horrible exclamation mark symbopl almost every day
[16:06] <GridCube> SkippersBoss, open a terminal and type:
[16:06] <SkippersBoss> when yopu run update it says System up to date
[16:06] <hhhzzzarn> the read icon?
[16:06] <hhhzzzarn> red
[16:06] <GridCube> sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get update
[16:06] <hhhzzzarn> I get that whenever there is a new update that I have to install.
[16:06] <SkippersBoss> hmmm copuld it be that simple ??
[16:07] <hhhzzzarn> lets see.
[16:07] <GridCube> SkippersBoss, yes, the update button will apear everytime you have an update to update
[16:08] <SkippersBoss> Grid do not have a contineous internet connectio here
[16:09] <Guest7050> wow, that's quite a workaround GridCube, it looks doable, my only concern is how grub will work
[16:10] <SkippersBoss> hmm icon con. Lets see what tomorrow brings thx for the assist grid
[16:10] <Guest7050> and the last thing i would like is to ruin windows boot :)
[16:12] <GridCube> Guest7050, your best option of all, is to get hands on an usb pendrive
[16:12] <GridCube> for a few hours at least
[16:16] <hhhzzzarn> I will mail one to you for free if you pay for shipping :)
[16:17] <Guest7050> Well, at least i learnt something new :) Thanks for your help GridCube and hhhzzzarn
[16:17] <Guest7050> cya
[16:18] <hhhzzzarn> time passes quick while chatting.
[16:22] <vitimiti> when i use the fn key to change volume and toggle mute/unmute, the notification that shows it is doing it correctly appears, but the volume itself won't change. Any idea on how to fix it?
[16:22] <torax> http://askubuntu.com/questions/130927/how-to-switch-default-sound-device-controlled-by-hardware-keys-in-xubuntu
[16:24] <xubuntu663> hi all, i am trying to install xubuntu 12.10, and have a problem it is just won't run, live CD stop loading
[16:25] <baizon> xubuntu663: disable splash screen and watch in what moment it stops
[16:25] <xubuntu663> sorry, i am kind a nooby, how to disable splash screen
[16:26] <GridCube> press alt-F1
[16:27] <xubuntu663> ok, thanks, i have to loadede now, becouse I am wrinting from the same pc, thanks
[16:27] <GridCube> np
[16:30] <vitimiti> torax, i have it as that post says and it won't work, yet
[16:33] <torax> vitimiti: I think you have to restart xfce4 or something, booting might be easiest
[16:33] <vitimiti> k
[16:53] <nantou> must I always extract mdf and mds together? will an iso copy of just the mdf work without the mds part?
[16:57] <vitimiti> so i change the active-card in xfce4-mixer to the analog one instead of the HDMI one, but when i restart, the HDMI card is there again, so i am changing the digital volume, not seeing a single change in my volume
[16:58] <GridCube> vitimiti, it doest rememeber you choosed the analog on pavucontrol?
[16:58] <xubuntu229> Hi all
[16:58] <GridCube> !hi xubuntu229
[16:58] <vitimiti> GridCube, no, it changes it back
[16:59] <unrar> :)
[16:59] <GridCube> !hi | xubuntu229
[16:59] <unrar> Hi all
[16:59] <xubuntu229> tring to install xubuntu, have no luck, at stops at begining, with blinking cursor in the up left cornet
[16:59] <GridCube> vitimiti, on pavucontrol when you go to the last tab, what option you have choosed?
[16:59] <vitimiti> let me see
[17:00] <GridCube> xubuntu229, have you checked that you have a sane iso?
[17:00] <GridCube> !md5 | xubuntu229
[17:00] <xubuntu229> if I pres F1 before that I can get to the menu and ghange the language, but that is all
[17:01] <vitimiti> GridCube, the first option is HDMI output/off, so the first one is active; then another option Analog output
[17:01] <xubuntu229> downloaded from oficial web site... it can be broken
[17:04] <GridCube> xubuntu229, it sure can, just check it :)
[17:04] <GridCube> if the download failed at one point or the burner made a mistake
[17:07] <xubuntu229> just checkit
[17:07] <xubuntu229> it is ok
[17:08] <xubuntu229> is there an alternate CD for xubuntu, looks like the installer is an issue for me
[17:08] <GridCube> not anymore
[17:08] <xubuntu229> :(
[17:08] <GridCube> you can get the minimal cd and install the xubuntu-desktop meta
[17:08] <GridCube> !minimal
[17:09] <GridCube> its basically the same as old alternate, just smaller
[17:10] <xubuntu229> yes but is fo ubuntu, i can get ubuntu running, my problem is xubuntu
[17:10] <GridCube> xubuntu229, no
[17:10] <GridCube> its for xubuntu, instead of installing ubuntu-desktop, install xubuntu-desktop
[17:11] <GridCube> xubuntu is ubuntu
[17:11] <GridCube> we are not special in that way
[17:11] <GridCube> we are just a desktop different from the mainbuntu one, but we are ubuntu
[17:11] <nantou> must I always extract mdf and mds together?
[17:11] <xubuntu229> ok, I will try this one, but i need a wire conenction, no
[17:11] <xubuntu229> it wont konect to wifi
[17:12] <GridCube> xubuntu229, probably yes.
[17:12] <GridCube> nantou, i dont know what those are
[17:12] <xubuntu229> need to go to basement for that :), thanks
[17:19] <unrar> Canonical still sponsors Xubuntu?
[17:20] <GridCube> ... why wouldnt they?
[17:21] <Unit193> Depends on what you define as "sponsor", it doesn't get money, but for example they are paying for Xubuntu lead to go to UDS this year.
[17:23] <unrar> I meant like Kubuntu
[17:23] <unrar> Canonical doesn't sponsor Kubuntu anymore, now Blue Systems sponsors them
[17:23] <unrar> So, Xubuntu is an official flavour?
[17:23] <Unit193> So is Kubuntu, just don't pay the devs.
[17:24] <Unit193> Kubuntu and Xubuntu both use the Canonical build systems, repos, etc for their releases.
[17:24] <unrar> But they're official flavours?
[17:24] <GridCube> yes
[17:24] <GridCube> just like lubuntu
[17:24] <unrar> okay
[17:25] <unrar> But Kubuntu doesn't have the Ubuntu Software Center, while Xubuntu has
[17:25] <unrar> Oh the question: do you recommend me installing 12.10 or 12.04?
[17:25] <GridCube> 12.10, it comes with xfce 4.10
[17:25] <unrar> Great
[17:25] <xubuntu734> hi
[17:25] <unrar> Kubuntu 12.10 is greater than 12.04, but Ubuntu 12.10 is weird
[17:26] <xubuntu734> I have a little problem with 12.10
[17:26] <unrar> So I uninstalled it and maybe if I get bored of Kubuntu and Mint I'll install 12.04 LTS again
[17:26] <unrar> What problem xubuntu734?
[17:26] <xubuntu734> my desktop
[17:26] <xubuntu734> i see 2 icons for my partitions
[17:26] <unrar> Because they're mounted
[17:26] <unrar> I guess
[17:27] <xubuntu734> no no
[17:27] <xubuntu734> unmounted
[17:27] <xubuntu734> I have 2 partitions
[17:27] <xubuntu734> but on my desktop
[17:27] <xubuntu734> i see 2 icons for partition
[17:27] <xubuntu734> 2 for the first 2 for the second
[17:27] <unrar> oh
[17:28] <unrar> And if you click on both of them what happens?
[17:28] <xubuntu734> they mount
[17:29] <xubuntu734> same thing if I open a window to explore
[17:29] <xubuntu734> on the left side
[17:29] <xubuntu734> i see 2 shortcout for partition
[17:29] <xubuntu734> 2 for the first 2 for the secondo
[17:30] <xubuntu734> i don't undestand why
[17:31] <xubuntu734> some idea???
[17:32] <unrar> hmm
[17:32] <GridCube> xubuntu229, known bug
[17:32] <GridCube> read the release notes
[17:32] <GridCube> www.xubuntu.org
[17:32] <GridCube> meant xubuntu734
[17:32] <unrar> Oh no
[17:32] <unrar> Is it fixable?
[17:33] <xubuntu734> umpf
[17:33] <xubuntu734> i hate bug
[17:34] <unrar> Maybe I should install 12.04 then
[17:34] <unrar> haha
[17:35] <xubuntu734> unrar I thing you're right
[17:37] <unrar> *think
[17:37] <xubuntu734> ops sorry
[17:38] <xubuntu734> see you i'll come back to my desktop
[17:38] <unrar> :P
[17:38] <unrar> Where are you from?
[17:39] <GridCube> !ot | unrar
[17:39] <unrar> ye syes
[17:39] <unrar> I know
[17:40] <GridCube> :)
[18:09] <xubuntu131> hi
[18:09] <xubuntu131> hi all
[18:12] <xubuntu816> hello
[18:25] <[TiZ]> Hi. I'm on Xubuntu 12.10, and as with all versions of Xfce's useless power manager, nothing happens when I unplug the power from my laptop or plug it back in; namely, my screen brightness doesn't change. What's the recommended way to get this working nowadays? I used to use laptop-mode-tools. Should I still be using that?
[18:29] <compaqo> i installed 12.04 on a Compaq Presario 061 and can not shutdown my PC. I mean if i click on System - Shutdown  the PC does not power off. I encounter the same problem if  as root i execute : shutdown -h now . In those two scenarios, the system halts but does not power off so i have to press the power button on the PC to shut it down. Can anyone help me?
[18:32] <TheSheep> compaqo: do you have acpi disabled?
[18:32] <compaqo> how would i know?
[18:32] <TheSheep> compaqo: also, is that an AT computer?
[18:32] <TheSheep> compaqo: did you add any kernel boot options?
[18:33] <compaqo> no, i did not add any boot options
[18:33] <TheSheep> compaqo: whan you type in the terminal 'dmesg | grep -i acpi', does it show anything?
[18:36] <compaqo> http://pastebin.com/QHmpjiAp
[18:37] <TheSheep> compaqo: ok, looks like you need to add that option to your boot options
[18:40] <compaqo> add  "acpi_pm_good"  to what boot options. i mean, what file shall i edit?
[18:42] <TheSheep> compaqo: lest first read the whole message
[18:42] <TheSheep> compaqo: can you type in terminal 'dmesg | less' and then press / and type acpi_pm_good to jump to that part?
[18:42] <TheSheep> compaqo: because I think there is more written in the neighbouring lines
[18:42] <TheSheep> lets*
[18:47] <andrei> hi all, have a question: I have to install xubuntu from minicd, I see a have to select xubuntu desktop, but I have no idea if I need to select anything else to bring it to the regular ubuntu
[18:48] <andrei> sorry xubuntu instalation
[18:50] <compaqo> http://pastebin.com/5XQMnupt
[18:51] <TheSheep> compaqo: ok, so that's not it
[18:53] <compaqo> can you please tell me the name of the file that i have to edit to solve the power off problem?
[18:53] <TheSheep> compaqo: I don't think it will solve your problem
[18:53] <TheSheep> compaqo: but adding boot options is described here
[18:53] <compaqo> why not?
[18:53] <TheSheep> !boot
[18:54] <TheSheep> compaqo: because this message is just about a slow clock implementation
[18:54] <TheSheep> compaqo: so it's not the reason why your acpi doesn't work
[18:55] <compaqo> so what can i do to solve the problem?
[18:57] <TheSheep> compaqo: is that computer even able to shut down automatically? does it have an AT or ATX power unit?
[18:57] <TheSheep> compaqo: you could also try looking for 'apm' with 'dmesg | grep -i apm'
[19:01] <compaqo> dmesg | grep -i apm    does not display anything, it just returns me to the prompt
[19:01] <xubuntu694> This is the channel for support, right?
[19:01] <TheSheep> xubuntu694: right
[19:02] <xubuntu694> TheSheep: ah, thanks
[19:02] <TheSheep> compaqo: ok, I'm out of ideas, you could try searching the forums for your computer make and model
[19:02] <compaqo> that is what i did before coming here but did not find a solution
[19:02] <TheSheep> compaqo: you could also ask on #ubuntu, because that part of it is the same as xubuntu, and there are more people there
[19:03] <compaqo> that is what i did before coming here too
[19:03] <xubuntu694> Just did a clean install of 12.10 and now the computer is getting stuck during the shutdown/reboot process.. any ideas what's going on? :(
[19:03] <TheSheep> compaqo: I guess you already did everything right, I'm out of ideas, really sorry
[19:03] <compaqo> ok thanks for your time
[19:03] <TheSheep> compaqo: you could try adding that boot option, or some of the other acpi-related boot options described there
[19:04] <TheSheep> compaqo: under that link
[19:04] <TheSheep> xubuntu694: you might have the same problem as compaqo
[19:04] <compaqo> can you please tell me the name of the file that i have to edit to add boot options?
[19:04] <TheSheep> xubuntu694: what is the last thing that it says before getting stuck?
[19:05] <xubuntu694> TheSheep: nothing, gets stuck in a black screen. if you need to see the thing i see right before the black screen, could you please tell me where to find the corresponding logfile?
[19:05] <TheSheep> compaqo: it's /etc/default/grub
[19:06] <TheSheep> compaqo: detailed description at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Changing_boot_options_Permanently_for_an_Existing_Installation
[19:06] <TheSheep> xubuntu694: all log files are in /var/log, you probably want /var/log/kern.log
[19:13] <xubuntu694> Well, running out of time now. I'll check the log and come back here later/tomorrow. Thanks so far ;)
[19:31] <goliat> Hello, I'm looking for a way to change the font color in 12.04. I'm using the style albatros and for some reason the font is white in the software center making it very hard to read.
[19:39] <TheSheep> goliat: my guess is that you need a theme for gtk3 for gtk3 apps to be displayed correctly
[19:40] <goliat> So software center is gtk3 then?
[19:41] <TheSheep> goliat: I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that from your display problems. It's also pretty new, and shared between ubuntu and xubuntu, so that is likely.
[19:44] <goliat> TheSheep: Thank you. I guess i will look into that, or just change to a theme that works fully :P
[19:46] <TheSheep> goliat: try the default xubuntu theme, if that doesn't work, then it's surely a bug
[19:47] <goliat> TheSheep: Standard is greybird right?
[19:53] <goliat> TheSheep: Using the theme Greybird, with was the one chosen on install i think the font in software center looks like it matches the rest of the system
[20:18] <nantou> what music library do you recommend?
[20:21] <TheSheep> nantou: music library?
[20:21] <nantou> like guadayeque or rythmbox
[20:21] <TheSheep> nantou: like a music player with a library of your songs, or like a software library  for playing music?
[20:21] <TheSheep> nantou: ah, I see, personally I use quodlibet, but it's pretty basic
[20:22] <nantou> quodlibet, in the repo?
[20:22] <TheSheep> yes
[20:22] <nantou> good
[20:22] <TheSheep> I just got used to the layout and can't really get used to the layout of other players
[20:22] <TheSheep> but as I said, it's very personal
[20:43] <nantou> how often are core updates released?
[20:53] <nantou> what are debugging symbols? I cannot use em to debug apps, can I?
[22:09] <nantou> how do I extract info from, or convert to iso a package that includes a sub, a img and a ccd files?
[22:21] <nantou> uif2iso?
[22:29] <xubuntu043> Hello
[22:29] <xubuntu043> Looking for help with 12.10 and Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 and Dual monitoris
[22:29] <xubuntu043> Monitors show up fine
[22:30] <xubuntu043> But will only let me mirror.
[22:30] <xubuntu043> Anyy help appreciated
[22:30] <unheeding> did you install the proprietary driver?
[22:30] <xubuntu043> Dont laugh but Im a newb
[22:30] <xubuntu043> I cant find the proiprietary driver options
[22:30] <xubuntu043> IN 12.04 it was a control panel applet
[22:30] <unheeding> okay
[22:30] <xubuntu043> Where is it in 12.10
[22:32] <torax> install "nvidia-current"
[22:32] <unheeding> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[22:32] <xubuntu043> Oh, ok
[22:33] <xubuntu043> So there is no "Additional Drivers" applet any more or am I just blind?
[22:33] <unheeding> i had to do it via terminal for my ATI card
[22:38] <xubuntu043> Ahhhh!
[22:38] <xubuntu043> Thanks for your help!
[22:38] <xubuntu043> Working great now!
[22:38] <xubuntu043> bye
[22:40] <unheeding> have a nice day
[22:40] <unheeding> thank you come again
[23:45] <nantou> can i debug xubuntu?
[23:49] <David-A> nantou: can you be more specifik. xubuntu is like just a collection of thousands of programs. you can debug some of them.
[23:51] <nantou> i upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and the graphics look funny (in the apps menu or the upper task bar)
[23:51] <nantou> thats what I want to debug
[23:51] <nantou> some icons are bigger then others
[23:52] <nantou> bluebird appereance is broken, others appear to work better, but some broken graphics too
[23:56] <nantou> where do I find an app for additional drivers? 12.10
[23:59] <unheeding> what are you trying to install?