[00:14] <sarixe> hi, when i try to play videos, in any player, gstreamer, xine, anything, the colors are messed up.  i believe it may be missing a color channel, but i'm not sure.  any help?
[00:18] <Koji-Murasame> Nejode: I just installed EnvyNG and installed the driver. Waiting for reboot now to see if it worked.
[00:20] <Smegzor> I've lost the ability to administer shares.  There menu item for sharing is missing.  There was a Samba update earlier, also I forced gnome to rebuild .gnome2 by renaming the old folder.  How do I get sharing back?
[00:20] <Koji-Murasame> Nope. It's the same as installing with jockey. I'll try some older driver versions though
[00:24] <Laney> Does anyone know how to query my DBUS session bus from a SSH session? I'm trying to get the current song in Rhythmbox but it doesn't work. :(
[00:26] <sourcemaker> I have install the current hardy beta version... now I have the problem... that the KDE session crashs very often and kdm restarts... is this a known problem?
[00:27] <jessica> i need to get my fan problem fixed my fan needs to be going faster my laptop is overheating
[00:32] <talntidwrk> hi :)
[00:32] <talntidwrk> Intel wireless 1395 not working in Hardy... ideas? :)
[00:33] <talntidwrk> worked in Gutsy... so if its not a simple fix, i'll just jump back to gutsy for a while.. :) no worries
[00:40] <Jaymac> yay my hardy upgrade was a success :) hello busybox hehe
[00:42] <jeffwheeler> I'm sure this is obvious (and non-Ubuntu+1-specific), but the backlight on my MacBook Pro keeps turning real low after a few seconds, and I have to press the backlight buttons to get it back up; is there any way to leave it as I have it?
[00:42] <Jaymac> jeffwheeler: that happens when using OS X as well doesn't it?
[00:42] <Jaymac> or is that just after a few seconds idle perhaps?
[00:43] <jeffwheeler> Jaymac: nope, and it stays low even when I am not idle
[00:43] <jeffwheeler> Jaymac: OS X will disable it after a set amount of time, which by default is about fifteen minutes, but this happens after about 30 seconds
[00:44] <jeffwheeler> and stays off until I hold the "increase backlight" button up to the max again
[00:44] <Jaymac> well at least you have an 8.04 desktop :) my upgrade left me with a busybox prompt - hangs on mounting root fs... i'll chroot in tomorrow and see if i can fix it
[00:44] <jeffwheeler> I usually use Debian (on an old Dell), but I figured I'd try the beta; it is definitely pretty.
[00:47] <hmuller> RAOF:  Learned something new today about my nvidia geforce 84xx (integrated) today
[00:48] <jeffwheeler> Ah, figured it out: it was looking at ambient lighting. I'm not in terribly bright room (nor dark) and it would still go all the way to the minimum brightness.
[00:50] <jessica> i need help i need to have control over my fan in my pc
[00:50] <kumarphilly> hmm
[00:50] <kumarphilly> what are you trying to do
[00:51] <kumarphilly> unless its connected to the mobo directly you will needa use a manual fan controler or just unplug it when ya don't need it
[00:51] <kumarphilly> I honestly think its usless though
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> kumarphilly: laptop?
[00:54] <kumarphilly> nosrednaekim, what do you mean?
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> kumarphilly: laptops need fan control
[00:54] <kumarphilly> oh right
[00:54] <kumarphilly> sorry
[00:55] <evan_> hey can any one help me everytime i start x it does it in gl mode and that makes my compter lagg like my grandmother :O
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> evan_: remove xserver-xgl
[00:57] <evan_> nosrednaekim, its not installed
[00:57] <Luckrider> Does anyone know how I can use a theme I created in emerald?
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> Luckrider: with emerald:P
[00:58] <Luckrider> yes
[00:58] <Luckrider> I created it using emerald
[00:58] <Luckrider> I just can;tfigure out how to use it
[00:58] <Luckrider> *can't figure
[00:59] <Luckrider> I do have/use compiz fusion
[01:00] <Luckrider> I just miss haveing my emerald themes that i had with Gusty Fiesty and Edgy
[01:01] <farkewie> Hi can anyone tell me how to test bluetooth on hardy herron?
[01:01] <Luckrider> i have the same problem
[01:01] <talntidwrk> try it?
[01:02] <Luckrider> I can;t get it to work
[01:02] <Luckrider> (bluetooth
[01:02] <savvas> Luckrider: he didn't say he has a problem with it :)
[01:02] <farkewie> sorry im not sure how to test it on linux but when i use my phone to scan i cant see it
[01:03] <heartsblood> Is all (or most of) the software in hardy SID?
[01:03] <Luckrider> oh
[01:03] <Luckrider> duh
[01:03] <farkewie> my bluetooth says all the services are running and it should be visible
[01:04] <ricky_> i have a laptop with the imfamous broadcom chipset, 4311, and i could get it to work on the last release.
[01:04] <ricky_> i tried the beta a6, and it wont work at all
[01:04] <savvas> farkewie: system > administration > bluetooth > general > check the two file transfer boxes
[01:04] <Stwange> what is the planned release date?
[01:04] <ricky_> does anyone know if that will be fixed by the time of its full release?
[01:04] <savvas> Stwange: google hardy release schedule
[01:04] <farkewie> they are checked
[01:05] <Stwange> cheers savvas, it would have taken me ages to get the right search phrase
[01:05] <ricky_> the restricted drivers module shows nothing at all....
[01:05] <ricky_> i can manually use ndiswrapper, but it wont work....
[01:06] <heartsblood> is there a way to see exactly what versions of software are being using in hardy?
[01:06] <savvas> Stwange: I'm sorry if you expected a direct answer :)
[01:06] <farkewie> is there something similar to a windows device manager to see if its installed?
[01:06] <savvas> the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule is the first hit for that phrase
[01:07] <ricky_> does anyone know the exact day for the final release?
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> 24th
[01:07] <Stwange> nah savvas - I wasn't being sarcastic, it probably would have done. I'm still confused though... should I wait til May 22nd for it to be completely ready for a production machine?
[01:08] <ricky_> i was thingking about downloading it then, and trying again, but figured someone in the room might know if the broadcom chipset would be able to be used with either ndiswrapper or with the firmware extracter? does anyone know?
[01:09] <m12> seems there is again wlan problems in HH. many ppl complain on it, and i am one of them, using prism54usb that worked on GG but now dont work as expected. : http://pastebin.com/f71cc919c , anyone have clue what is going on ?
[01:09] <savvas> farkewie: i'm not sure, sorry, I haven't tried any bluetooth devices - try searching for it ubuntuforums.org or something :)
[01:10] <ricky_> yea, right, but does anyone know if that is going to be fixed for the final release?
[01:10] <hmuller> heartsblood:  take a look at System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[01:10] <heartsblood> I don't have it installed
[01:10] <m12> ricky_ , dont think so, it is too close to release date
[01:10] <heartsblood> I want to take a look at software versions before I make that jump
[01:11] <ricky_> ok, thanks.....
[01:11] <savvas> Stwange: expect the final release around april 28th (give or take 5 days), the final-final release will be 8.04.1, fixing any last minute bugs :)
[01:11] <hmuller> heartsblood:  you have a terminal?
[01:11] <m12> ricky_ but dont take me for granted
[01:11] <m12> i am just user...
[01:11] <heartsblood> do I have a terminal?
[01:12] <heartsblood> yes.
[01:12] <Flannel> savvas: 8.04.1 is a point release, not the final-final, and it is more-than-likely for bugs in the installation media only (well, with a version rollup as a side effect)
[01:12] <hmuller> heartsblood: $ sudo synaptic
[01:12] <Flannel> hmuller, heartsblood, gksu synaptic
[01:12] <hmuller> heartsblood:  or just plain synaptic
[01:13] <hmuller> Flannel: sudo still works, if gksu works better, then please explain
[01:13] <Flannel> !gksu
[01:13] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[01:13] <Flannel> hmuller: gksu should be used for graphical apps.  They setup environments different, sudo can cause issues with perms in your home dir (stuff owned by root)
[01:13] <Flannel> obviously on kde, you use kdesu
[01:14] <heartsblood> not trying to nitpick here, but exactly how do I see Hardy version #s from a gutsy install?
[01:14] <Flannel> heartsblood: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:15] <heartsblood> ty
[01:15] <evan_> help im getting realy crazy everytime i bootup i have to disable GL Desktop with heavy lag when i open Gnome Compiz Preferences it gives me an error ( error at loading or saving configuration information for gnome compiz Preferences )
[01:15] <evan_> bootup must be start x
[01:16] <evan_> this are the details of the error Ongelijk type: Verwachtte lijst, kreeg string
[01:16] <evan_> this are the details of the error sorrie translation " expected list, got string "
[01:17] <farkewie> ok so it looks like my bluetooth card is not being detected. i used to have it disabedin windows could it still be disabled?
[01:17] <hmuller> Flannel: I had to quit chatzilla to try the example.  I understand your point now, but it doesn't appear to be to be that critical, to paraphrase the material.
[01:19] <Flannel> hmuller: We've weeded out most of the offending apps, but they're still out there.  Besides its a good habit anyway, even if you don't do it yourself
[01:19] <heartsblood> Flannel, found exactly what I wanted to know, appreciate it.
[01:19] <hmuller> Flannel: agreed, seems gksudo would be better though
[01:20] <ethana2> yarr, scim seems to have stopped working in firefox3
[01:20] <ethana2> gaaahhhhh
[01:20] <hmuller> scim not playing well with pirates? =)
[01:20] <ethana2> what?
[01:20] <Flannel> hmuller: gksu and gksudo are identical
[01:20] <ethana2> ..I can't type japanese in firefox now
[01:20] <Flannel> hmuller: (one is linked to the other)
[01:20] <hmuller> ethana2: poor attempt at humor
[01:20] <ethana2> gyarr, i may have to use epiphany again, dangit
[01:21] <ethana2> ...i didn't get it, hmuller, sorry
[01:21] <hmuller> Flannel: Learned two somethings new today
[01:21] <hmuller> ethana2: no need to apologize for cultural differences =)
[01:21] <heartsblood> I learned something today!
[01:21] <heartsblood> Never ask a question about unbutnu in the debian channel ><
[01:21] <heartsblood> ubuntu*
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> heartsblood: LOL... haha
[01:22] <mneptok> heartsblood: but you learned the wrong lesson
[01:22] <mneptok> heartsblood: the real lesson was "avoid communities with no code of conduct" ;)
[01:23] <heartsblood> meh
[01:25] <jimiridge> im thinking of trying to play with xen
[01:26] <hmuller> Flannel:  gksudo is linked to gksu, but gksudo uses sudo as a backend =)
[01:26] <talntidwrk> xen is AWESOME
[01:26] <talntidwrk> using it on my production server
[01:26] <talntidwrk> but, a word of the wise
[01:27] <talntidwrk> don't try it with hardy yet, networking is broken on xen with hardy.
[01:27] <talntidwrk> at least, don't use it at the main O/S.
[01:27] <talntidwrk> works OK with hardy as a virtual machine.
[01:27] <jimiridge> are you sure? maybe its been fixed
[01:28] <talntidwrk> i tried... 2 days ago
[01:28]  * mneptok would recommend KVM as a vm method in any *buntu
[01:28] <hmuller> mneptok: debs have a code of conduct, it revolves around RTFM
[01:28] <talntidwrk> so maybe it's been fixed in the last 2 days...
[01:28] <talntidwrk> .. but i doubt it
[01:29] <jimiridge> now when you say networking was broken...
[01:29] <talntidwrk> couldn't get virtual machines to talk to the main dom
[01:30] <jimiridge> do they still get lan ip's?
[01:36] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> how do I determine which locale I'm running in?
[01:38] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I need to know for a gcalctool bug
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> WOW.... hardy has a nice fast boot!
[01:42] <Turski> not any faster than any other...
[01:43] <dbmoodb> ah mega breakage
[01:43] <hmuller> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: $ locale          or $ locale -a
[01:43] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> cheers mate
[01:43] <hmuller> cheers
[01:43] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: thanks to dash!
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> dash?
[01:43] <hmuller> it's smaller than bash
[01:44] <dbmoodb> is this happening for others too ?....
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> this is a 1.7GHZ celeron with a laptop drive and its booting in 30 seconds to KDM... my 1.6GHZ dual core turion can't even manage that
[01:44] <hmuller> you'll notice your login shell is bash, but all the startup scripts run as dash, sh is a symlink to dash
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: interesting...
[01:45] <dbmoodb> eh hardy is using dash instead of bash ?
[01:46] <Turski> ...but all the startup scripts run as dash...
[01:46] <setuid> Unless you change the default
[01:46] <hydrogen> its been that way for a while
[01:46] <hmuller> dbmoodb: your login shell is bash, all the startup is run as Turski says, dash
[01:46] <setuid> dpkg-reconfigure
[01:48] <hmuller> !dash | hmuller
[01:48] <mneptok> the switch to dash from bash was like 2 release ago :)
[01:49] <hmuller> Yes, but most don't realize that's why Ubuntu boots faster than some
[01:50] <hydrogen> I think thats a load of bunk
[01:50] <hydrogen> myself
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> mneptok: did they just streamline Upstart then?
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: I was comparing it to 7.10 ;)
[01:50] <robinson> hey. How can i get liquidweather to work in KDE4/Kubuntu Hardy? I get an error about kross library, but when i search apt, i can find no reference to kross
[01:50] <robinson> btw, liqudweather is a superkaramba widget
[01:50] <setuid> robinson, apt-file search kross
[01:50] <robinson> no luck, i tried searching for kross in adept manager
[01:50] <Luke___> I updated to 8.04 and now my headphone sound doesn't work. I've turned everything up in alsamixer. Any suggestions?
[01:51] <setuid> apt-file != adept
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> robinson: known kde4 bug.... you can't run superkaramba
[01:51] <robinson> oh
[01:51] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: I wish mine booted faster than Gutsy, but I'm not seeing a major difference.
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> robinson: yeah... the kross stuff was never packaged up or something
[01:51] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: But I'm not using KDE either
[01:51] <setuid> robinson, There's hundreds of references to libkross in the apt-file results
[01:52] <setuid> # apt-file search kross | wc -l
[01:52] <setuid> 125
[01:52] <dbmoodb> hmuller: kde is a lost faster feeling atm than gnome - starts up faster etc... just to me ...
[01:52] <robinson> hmmm.. apt-file shows "command not found", i just searched it in adept
[01:52] <tomahasamoot> I've just installed, and updated kubuntu 8.10 alt amd64, and kdesu isn't working... if I want to use adept_manager, or systemsettings, I have to run them with sudo from a terminal... I tried reinstalling kdesudo, but it didn't help
[01:52] <setuid> robinson, install apt-file
[01:52] <robinson> no matter, though, if superkaramba will not work in kde4
[01:52] <lubosz> hi
[01:52] <lubosz> anybody experienced with bootchart?
[01:52] <hmuller> dbmoodb: I like the cheerios feel to gnome
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: well,kdm is slow, but this is still an improvement
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> or maybe this laptop just boots fast compared to my other one... it DOES have a sata drive
[01:53] <setuid> hrm
[01:53] <setuid> cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab -
[01:53] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: that's the diff
[01:53] <hmuller> the sata diff
[01:53] <Turski> tomahasamoot: wtf, 8.10?
[01:53] <lubosz> i installed bootchart but no bootchart.tgz is generated, how come?
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> really? are you kiddin?
[01:53] <Luke> Turski: he mant 8.04
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> its stil 5400RPM
[01:54] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: You be the judge!
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> tomahasamoot: can you run them from the terminal with kdesudo?
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: yeah... later next week i'm installing it on this laptop and we'll see :)
[01:55] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: you can check the throughput on both using :  $ hdparm -tT /dev/<device>
[01:55] <hmuller> nosrednaekim: both meaning the previous drive and your newer sata
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: yeah.. I will
[01:56] <robinson> in kde4, is there a way to set the font size for the digital clock? mine runs slightly off screen along the bottom edge. I can choose the font, but i dont see a setting for size
[01:56] <dbmoodb> if it has sata it probably is just faster anyway
[01:56] <dbmoodb> (newer)
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> robinson: don't think so
[01:56] <tomahasamoot> nosrednaekim: no, just sudo
[01:56] <savvas> damn, this quality of service setup is really annoying. i simply can't do it, i have to be a network guru to have a working network while i upload & report important crashes :(
[01:57] <savvas> the weirdest thing is that during the upgrades, the irc connection has been improved, and at least i don't get disconnected here
[01:58] <robinson> i realize i'm asking questions all over the map, but will disabling IPV6 in firefox still speed up browsing, or is this no longer an issue?
[01:58] <setuid> /dev/sda:
[01:58] <setuid>  Timing cached reads:   3270 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1632.29 MB/sec
[01:58] <setuid>  Timing buffered disk reads:  164 MB in  3.01 seconds =  54.42 MB/sec
[01:58] <dbmoodb> well it might, test
[01:58]  * setuid loves his new laptop ;)
[01:59] <savvas> robinson: how slow is it? :) ipv6 is the next big step of the internet, disabling it will prevent you from reaching some websites
[01:59] <dbmoodb> ipv6 is only useful if you have a ipv6 connection, if you do then dance
[01:59] <setuid> savvas, Not for several years
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> setuid: HOOLY CRAP!
[01:59] <setuid> Most providers and core net infrastructure isn't ipv6-enabled
[01:59] <robinson> not terrible.. I have 6MB service, but it seems that it takes pages a bit longer on my laptop than on my desktop. I will change the setting in firefox, try it, then change it back if there is no change
[01:59] <setuid> nosrednaekim, what?
[02:00] <dbmoodb> you can get a tunnel tho
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> setuid: i'm only getting 876 out of this one !
[02:00] <savvas> by 2010-2015 you'll see some ip handling problems :P
[02:00] <setuid> by 2015, IP will be something completely different
[02:00] <dbmoodb> savvas: we have smart internets makers they are ultrasssmarts hene no problems
[02:00] <savvas> setuid: yeah, unreadable, unusable, and not worthy to look at :p
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> hmuller: yep... the hard drive in this lappt is only half as fast.,..... wow
[02:01] <robinson> hmmm.. no noticeable difference to me.. i'll just change it back
[02:01] <setuid> nosrednaekim, Mine is a 5400rpm 320gig drive
[02:01] <dbmoodb> nosrednaekim: you did not run a benchmark so i would not be saying that .... consider the read / write to be some what slower
[02:01] <setuid> It came out of a Western Digital Passport enclosure
[02:01] <setuid> External, usb-enabled enclosure that is
[02:02] <dbmoodb> ask the firefox guys if it makes any difference (there are tests you can run)
[02:02] <savvas> dbmoodb: i agree on that, but i still expect everything human-made to have flaws, some other bright fellow will surely detect it and get billions from it :)
[02:02] <DanaG> What's that disk benchmark?
[02:02] <setuid> DanaG, hdparm -Tt
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> dbmoodb: what, timed disk reads aren't a benchmark?
[02:03] <lubosz> why is my boot splash dropping to console when kjournald is starting?
[02:03] <setuid> I'm hammering the disk at the moment too, because I've got a vmware session loaded and the drive is an encrypted LVM, which thrashes the hell out of the disk
[02:03] <DanaG>  Timing cached reads:   2322 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1161.50 MB/sec
[02:03] <DanaG>  Timing buffered disk reads:  188 MB in  3.02 seconds =  62.17 MB/sec
[02:03] <dbmoodb> using those alone i would not be saying that the disk is 1/2 the speed - because there are other factors
[02:03] <setuid> DanaG, laptop?
[02:03] <DanaG> Yup.  Hitachi 7K200-200.
[02:03] <setuid> I'll shut down my vm and re-test
[02:03] <dbmoodb> ... disk down and up problems DanaG ?
[02:04] <setuid> ATA device, with non-removable media
[02:04] <setuid>         Model Number:       WDC WD3200BEVT-22ZCT0
[02:04] <DanaG> Load cycles?  Those happen to me, too.
[02:04] <DanaG> Oh yeah, download and burn UBCD, and you can change the drive's 'permanent' default APM settings with Hitachi Feature Tool.
[02:04] <dbmoodb> what ?
[02:05] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> is ddebs.ubuntu.com signed?
[02:05] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> can I download a key for this?
[02:05] <dbmoodb> DanaG: how does that work ? ... how do i do this ?
[02:05] <savvas>  Timing cached reads:   6180 MB in  2.00 seconds = 3092.09 MB/sec
[02:05] <savvas>  Timing buffered disk reads:  184 MB in  3.01 seconds =  61.11 MB/sec
[02:06] <hmuller> hdparm will modify your drives parameters too to improve performance, just read up first
[02:06] <DanaG> google for UBCD (Ultimate Boot CD), and download and burn it.
[02:06] <NukeSkyjumper> mouse-drag selections on the gnome desktop seem a lot slower on my hardy box since a reboot... anyone else experienced this?
[02:06] <dbmoodb> no DanaG how does it work and what would i change the setting too ?
[02:06] <hmuller> NukeSkyjumper: Using a touchpad?
[02:06] <NukeSkyjumper> hmuller: usb mouse
[02:07] <lubosz> NukeSkyjumper: read the last couple posts https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/128803
[02:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128803 in nautilus "[Gutsy] very slow gnome startup" [Low,Invalid]
[02:07] <DanaG> Increase the APM number to "Active Idle"
[02:07] <dbmoodb> -- can ubuntu grab this as a restricted piece or link to it or something if it really does work ...?
[02:07] <lubosz> NukeSkyjumper: k, other topic :D
[02:08] <NukeSkyjumper> lubosz: it's a mouse selection thing, not related (afaik) to startup
[02:09] <hmuller> that was a cool wild goose chase lubosz, must be an issue dear to your heart  =)
[02:09] <jimiridge> anyone play with KVM kernel virtual machine?
[02:09] <setuid>  Timing cached reads:   5330 MB in  2.00 seconds = 2670.81 MB/sec
[02:09] <setuid>  Timing buffered disk reads:  186 MB in  3.00 seconds =  61.95 MB/sec
[02:09] <setuid> 1g faster cache reads when vmware is unloaded
[02:09] <jimiridge> just wanted to know if KVM supports usb access
[02:09] <lubosz> hmuller: :D i just read gnome and startup, it really sucks in hardy :D
[02:09] <hmuller> jimiridge: yes, at least in gutsy.  it works well with both xp and vista
[02:09] <setuid> Encrypted LVM eats 30% of the drive performance
[02:09] <DanaG> Too bad there isn't an hdtach for Linux.
[02:10] <jimiridge> cause i have this usb printer with no linux driver i was hoping to get working with KVM/windows
[02:10] <robinson> i have installed zsnes for playing super nintendo roms. Any idea why i dont have sound? i did in Gutsy. All my other apps have sound
[02:10] <setuid> I wish luks could use thinkfinger for authentication
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> jimiridge: use Virtualbox non-OSE
[02:10] <hmuller> jimiridge:  I'd have to test it again, seems if I remember usb access worked but needed work
[02:10] <jimiridge> qemu should but crapped on me last time i tried
[02:11] <jimiridge> prolly shoulda compiled it myself
[02:11] <lubosz> robinson: maybe try snes9x
[02:11] <hmuller> lubosz: I don't seem to be having gnome startup issues, knock on wood
[02:12] <lubosz> hmuller: so your gnome starts fast? its not an issue, i just need a lot of patience ^
[02:13] <jimiridge> nosrednaekim, wtf does non-OSE mean
[02:13] <jimiridge> proprietary?
[02:13] <lubosz> robinson: maybe its an emulator option
[02:13] <tomahasamoot> I'm installing java from sun.java.com, what steps should I take?  Should I remove the installed pkgs from apt?
[02:13] <hmuller> lubosz:  It doesn't start under 30 seconds, one day I'll be able to afford an instant on machine
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> jimiridge: yeah...
[02:13] <savvas> jimiridge: he means download virtualbox from www.virtualbox.org, not virtualbox-ose from the repositories
[02:14] <lubosz> hmuller: sure, next thing is ssdisk
[02:14] <hmuller> too bad they run about $900USD a pop
[02:14] <lubosz> lets see in 2 years
[02:14] <robinson> lubosz: perhaps. just a bit puzzled because it worked with no special tweaks in gutsy. I know that Hardy uses pulse audio, not sure how that works with regard to alsa or oss though
[02:15] <setuid> pulseaudio is a trainwreck
[02:15] <setuid> I have to kill it to get proper audio working in simultaneous apps
[02:15] <savvas> tomahasamoot: if you do that, then you get no support from here, but follow the steps the java.com website gives
[02:15] <setuid> When pulse is loaded, audio only works in one app at a time. It's a mess.
[02:15] <NukeSkyjumper> setuid: your apps are probably using the alsa compatibility sink, rather than connecting to pulse
[02:15] <robinson> then why is that being used as the standard for an LTS release?
[02:15] <setuid> Nopre
[02:15] <lubosz> lol zsnes's gui hasnt changed for 10 years
[02:15] <vbabiy-laptop> Hello what happen to ubuntu tab complete in terminal ?
[02:15] <setuid> er, Nope
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> vbabiy-laptop: bash-completion?
[02:16] <mneptok> lubosz: why should it? it works as-is.
[02:16] <vbabiy-laptop> nosrednaekim: yeah
[02:16] <savvas> tomahasamoot: why do you need the java.com version of java anyway? :) sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-jdk work
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> vbabiy-laptop: install the package
[02:16]  * mneptok caresses his Logitech USB gamepad
[02:16] <vbabiy-laptop> nosrednaekim: its not by default any more
[02:16] <tomahasamoot> savvas: I was recommended to get java striaght from sun by the azureus crew...
[02:16] <lubosz> mneptok: its not 2008 eye candy ;)
[02:17] <mneptok> lubosz: the SNES is hardly "2008"
[02:17] <lubosz> robinson: no sound for me in zsnes
[02:17] <tomahasamoot> savvas: is sun-java6* the same thing?
[02:17] <setuid> lubosz, Kill pulseaudio and make sure it's dead, then try again
[02:17] <savvas> tomahasamoot: hardy has the newest available java, try with the already packaged versions of java, which i believe will work
[02:17] <robinson> at least i know its not just me.. i had some issues with snes9x, although i dont remember what they were...
[02:17] <tomahasamoot> savvas: okay
[02:17] <jimiridge> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/11/wifi_range_extender_5_bars_for.html
[02:18] <jimiridge> i made one of those
[02:18] <mneptok> tomahasamoot: you should not be installing Java from a web download
[02:18] <jimiridge> hopefully not removing the insulation wont affect it too much
[02:18] <setuid> mneptok, That's not true
[02:18] <savvas> tomahasamoot: you have other torrent applications, like transmission or deluge-torrent, which aren't java dependant
[02:18] <mneptok> setuid: i assure you, it is.
[02:18] <setuid> mneptok, Some of us require a working java for our jobs
[02:18] <jimiridge> wasnt till i was finished till i realized the error
[02:18] <setuid> And that working java comes from Sun
[02:18] <setuid> Not gcj and that other broken garbage in the repository
[02:18] <mneptok> setuid: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[02:19] <setuid> plugin != java
[02:19] <hmuller> for the nvidia masters:  When the README.txt talks about setting environment variables, they're talking about the ones we set in our login shell?
[02:19] <mneptok> setuid: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin
[02:19] <mneptok> setuid: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[02:19] <mneptok> setuid: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-common
[02:19] <mneptok> setuid: Java should be installed from the repos. end of story.
[02:19] <setuid> No thanks, I'll continue to use the working Java from Sun, not the tampered with one from the repo
[02:19] <mneptok> "tampered?"
[02:19] <setuid> Yes, as most repo packages are
[02:20] <savvas> he's right, the deluge-torrent package is "tampered" too :)
[02:20] <savvas> spit in two :P
[02:20] <savvas> *split
[02:20] <vbabiy-laptop> nosrednaekim: is ubuntu still going to support that by default or is it going to be an install from now on
[02:20] <mneptok> setuid: i'd hazard a guess doko knows more about Debian packaging than o most Sun people.
[02:20] <hmuller> If you don't like tampered, one of my favorite distributions is LFS =)
[02:21] <lubosz> no sound in snes9express nor zsnes before and after killing pulseaudio. srlsy you guys, srsly
[02:21] <tomahasamoot> savvas: what torrent app do you like, and why?  I did try ktorrent... but it wasn't as good as azureus
[02:21] <hmuller> of course that gets real old after awhile
[02:21] <robinson> nosrednaekim: you mentioned that superkarmaba doesnt work in KDE4. I notice a package in my repository that i think was recently added... superkaramaba-kde4.. can you confirm if this is newly added?
[02:21] <savvas> vbabiy-laptop: Bug 196021 :) Martin Pitt  wrote on 2008-03-26: I added it to the 'standard' platform seed as recommends. The next update of *-meta packages will have it again.
[02:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196021 in ubuntu-meta "include bash-completion by default in hardy" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196021
[02:21] <setuid> mneptok, the problem is that most debian packaging is done by people who don't understand software development.
[02:21] <vbabiy-laptop> savvas: okay cool
[02:21] <mneptok> setuid: i assure you, doko does.
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> robinson: no... its been thre for a while
[02:22] <mneptok> setuid: not to mention he worked closely with Tom Marble@Sun to create the packages
[02:22] <robinson> oh. just thought maybe i installed the other one before..
[02:22] <setuid> mneptok, a. including rejected patches, b. including broken patches, c. breaking things which work flawlessly in upstream source
[02:22] <setuid> mneptok, is it in lockstep with the sun releases/
[02:22] <dbmoodb> what do you mean smart active --looking at some of their (hitachi) software cannot see that setting
[02:22] <mneptok> setuid: do you have an example related to Sun's Java?
[02:22] <setuid> grr, ubuntu just ate my meta keys
[02:22] <setuid> i hate this bug
[02:22] <setuid> it randomly takes out my keyboard layout
[02:22] <Luke> Turski: he mant 8.04
[02:23] <setuid> i can't type shift/alt/ctrl keys, any modifiers
[02:23] <Luke> I updated to 8.04 and now my headphone sound doesn't work. I've turned everything up in alsamixer. Any suggestions?
[02:23] <savvas> tomahasamoot: deluge-torrent, it's simple, has plugins for extra stuff and works without asking to update java :) also, it supports encrypted connections. be sure to use updates from www.deluge-torrent.org and not the repositories
[02:24] <hmuller> mneptok: based on the diversion, I don't think you are getting an answer <chuckle>
[02:25] <mneptok> hmuller: no big deal. i just don;t like new users getting poor advice. which installing Java from a Sun .tar.gz certainly is.
[02:27] <emma> hey
[02:27] <setuid> if you can guarantee that the Debian releases are in absolute lockstep with the Sun releases, it might be worth the switch
[02:27] <emma> do any of you know about the Ubuntu Hardy 64 bit version?
[02:27] <hmuller> agreed - unless you are going to package it yourself, so you can uninstall it if necessary.
[02:27] <tgelter> so should a lot of graphics look low-res in firefox 3? maybe it's to allow for faster rendering?
[02:27] <mneptok> setuid: if you want to use the Sun download, fine. but please do not recommend such practices to other users.
[02:28] <emma> I heard that OO.o will not run under the Ubuntu Hardy 64 bit version. Is that true? And if so, can that be fixed?  That's virtually a fatal flaw.
[02:28] <setuid> emma, Yes
[02:28] <tgelter> emma: I'm running hardy 64 bit
[02:28] <setuid> There are no debs for it, provided by Oo.org
[02:28] <hmuller> emma:  you mean amd64?
[02:28] <setuid> And the other installers coredump
[02:29] <emma> What I heard is that OO.org won't be able to run on Ubuntu Hardy 64 bit OS.
[02:29] <hmuller> emma: because if you do, it opens up just fine in amd64
[02:29] <Luke> emma: i'm on amd64 hardy and ooo runs fine
[02:29] <tgelter> emma: works fine for me too
[02:29] <setuid> Luke, Installed from where?
[02:29] <emma> Okay then. Ask setuid  -- He's the one who told me that it would not work.
[02:29] <Luke> setuid: ubuntu repos
[02:29] <setuid> That is correct. The 2.4 release _from_ Oo.org, does not work.
[02:29] <tgelter> (though, I have no icons, just text in OO.org
[02:30] <mneptok> setuid: this is why we don;t like people recommending non-packaged installations. it causes confusion.
[02:30] <tgelter> so should a lot of graphics look low-res in firefox 3? maybe it's to allow for faster rendering?
[02:30] <Luke> emma: just use oo.org from the ubuntu repo and it runs fine
[02:30] <setuid> How the Debian packagers managed to get it working, when a release for x86_64 doesn't even _exist_, is beyond me.
[02:30] <emma> I think the whole point of a repo is so that the Ubuntu developers can make an Ubuntu version.
[02:30] <Luke> yea
[02:30] <Luke> just use repo version
[02:30] <setuid> Repo version isn't current, last I checked.
[02:31] <setuid> Nope, it's rc2
[02:31] <setuid> 1:2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu3
[02:31] <hmuller> setuid:  You might want to try one of my favorite distributions for 6 months: Linux From Scratch
[02:31] <emma> Repo versions are rarely current, I thought that was by design as well. That makes them stable.
[02:31] <mneptok> current? or "works?" which is more important?
[02:31] <setuid> hmuller, I used to build Linux from scratch long before LFS was around. I've been doing this for ~14 years.
[02:31] <Luke> emma: exactly
[02:31] <hmuller> emma:  exactly, stable is what you want
[02:31] <Luke> setuid: why are you misleading users?
[02:31] <hmuller> setuid:  then why are you recommending bad things to new users?
[02:32] <mneptok> setuid: just please don't assume every other user has 14 years experience
[02:32] <setuid> mneptok, Both are important. "works" for function, "current" for demonstrating why migrating to Oo.org from Office (to management) is necessary.
[02:32] <mneptok> setuid: most end-users don;t have mangement presentation and advocacy needs
[02:32] <Luke> setuid: you are causing people to think oo.org doesnt work. the ubuntu release works fine
[02:32] <emma> I honestly thought that if OO.o could not work in Hardy 64 then there was no way I could get it, because OO.o is probably what I use more than any other app after xchat.
[02:33] <setuid> Sure, but is ubuntu+1 for "users"? It didn't used to be, it was usually reserved for alpha issues/development/future discussions, etc.
[02:33] <savvas> there are some apps though that should be favoured as a special update though, some bittorrent or wifi applications, or even graphics drivers that would fix a lot of proprietary bugs
[02:33] <hmuller> emma:  OpenOffice works in Ubuntu, give it a shot
[02:33] <mneptok> setuid: it's for anyone, of any skill level, who has an interest in Hardy
[02:33] <setuid> Ok, then the channel charter has changed in the last year
[02:33] <setuid> I'll change my statements accordingly
[02:33] <mneptok> smashing. thankee.
[02:34] <savvas> it's also for everyone that has wants their bugs tested personally and fixed for a better personal experience :)
[02:35] <setuid> hrm
[02:35] <setuid> Suggested packages:
[02:35] <setuid>   equivs sun-java6-plugin ia32-sun-java6-plugin libmyodbc odbc-postgresql libct1
[02:36] <setuid> E: Package sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate
[02:36] <savvas> amd64?
[02:36] <setuid> I hope not ;) It's a Thinkpad running on an Intel C2D
[02:36] <setuid> But you might be right, as AMD64 is the only 64-bit Hardy out there
[02:36] <savvas> there are some alternatives, icedtea-java7-plugin icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[02:36] <emma> I'm going to get that 64 bit OS once Hardy is ready.
[02:37] <hmuller> setuid: amd64 works for core 2 duo, that's what I'm running on mine
[02:37] <hmuller> amd64 support lags i386, but what the hey
[02:37] <savvas> it's meant for x86_64, the name breaks everything actually :P
[02:37] <Luke> I updated to 8.04 and now my headphone sound doesn't work. I've turned everything up in alsamixer. Any suggestions?
[02:38] <tomahasamoot> I installed sun-java6*, but java -version still says:
[02:38] <tomahasamoot> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b07)OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.6.0-b07, mixed mode)
[02:38] <hmuller> intel just came late to the game
[02:38] <savvas> why is it named amd64 anyway? favouring historical first-64-bit maker?
[02:38] <hmuller> exactly
[02:38] <Kevin_b_er> amd64 was the name for it
[02:38] <savvas> interesting, didn't know that
[02:38] <hmuller> intel invented x86 hence i386
[02:38] <tomahasamoot> no, because IA64 is something else
[02:38] <setuid> Here's another interesting buglet... I pulled Linus' git source for the kernel (I need to test some of my code; pilot-link, against the new kernel usb interfaces), and when I use the /boot/config-`uname -r` from the stock Ubuntu kernel which _works_, the resulting kernel debs that make kpkg builds, do not, because it has no notion of luks and cryptsetup.
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> well, the instruction set was made by AMD
[02:39] <setuid> Any idea what's going on? Some botched initrd?
[02:39] <hydrogen> intel came out with IA64 first
[02:39] <savvas> ia = itanium :)
[02:39] <hmuller> IA64 and x86_64 are two different beasts
[02:39] <hydrogen> but it was a bit too progressive
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> but it was crappy
[02:39] <hydrogen> and it didn't gain the support
[02:39] <hmuller> IA64 is true 64 bit
[02:39] <savvas> so hold a sec hold a seeec, you got my interest here
[02:39] <hydrogen> of course, in terms of the "first" 64 bit computing..
[02:39] <hmuller> x86_64 is 32 bit with 64bit memory extensions
[02:39] <hydrogen> it was either sparc or mips
[02:39] <savvas> itanium is better than amd64 ?
[02:39] <hydrogen> or maybe alpha
[02:39] <Kevin_b_er> not really
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> nah.. amd64 is better
[02:40] <hmuller> savvas:  problem is there isn't huge true 64bit software development yet
[02:40] <hmuller> gonna take awhile to migrate
[02:40] <robinson> in KDE4, is there a way to get an onscreen volume indicator when i press my volume keys on my laptop?
[02:40] <setuid> hmuller, ...in Debian
[02:41] <emma> What will be the advantages of using a 64bit processor? I have a PC that has an AMD Athlon 64 bit processor, so I just thought I should have an OS to work with it?
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> robinson: no
[02:41] <tgelter> robinson: compiz should provide one for you
[02:41] <setuid> hmuller, Because there's an enormous amount of FLOSS development/porting done already for 64-bit, and many distros are fully 64-bit (Gentoo, SuSE, and FreeBSD though the latter isn't Linux)
[02:41] <robinson> not bold enough to run compiz on my modest laptop
[02:41] <m11> emma , u wont lost much by installing 32bit, if u dont have 4gb of ram
[02:41] <setuid> robinson, Have you seen the youtube videos of compiz running on the Eee PC?
[02:42] <setuid> robinson, It _flies_
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> robinson: compiz can run on ANYTHING
[02:42] <hmuller> setuid: Really, where's my 64 bit grub?
[02:42] <savvas> hmuller: so all this 64-bit apps packages are actually "quick fixes" of i386 taking mere advantage of a second cpu?
[02:42] <setuid> hmuller, grub2
[02:42] <emma> I have only 1 GB of ram :(
[02:42] <chowmeined> whats going to happen with firefox 3?
[02:42] <robinson> oh. Perhaps i will try.
[02:42] <m11> emma, go for 32 bit , much less hasle imo
[02:42] <setuid> ff3 is a trainwreck. The whole UI is a mess.
[02:42] <DanaG> Oh hey, anybody know how to limit my wifi connection's bandwidth usage>
[02:42] <emma> m11 but what would be some advantages of 64 bit?
[02:42] <hmuller> setuid:  guess I better go get me an itanium system to test with then
[02:42] <setuid> DanaG, qos
[02:43] <m11> emma, nothing normal user can notice
[02:43] <emma> Eventually won't there be a tipping point and software will be written for 64 bits?
[02:43] <mneptok> emma: there none for average users with <4GB RAM
[02:43] <Dr_willis> 64bit is not needed to take advantage of the 2nd cpu.
[02:43] <tgelter> m11: maybe less of a hassle, but some of us choose to run amd64 in order to convince people to start making the transition =)
[02:43] <hmuller> savvas:  no, 64 bit is about memory addressing
[02:43] <emma> Could I probably install more RAM in my pc to get the benefit?
[02:43] <keith-> hey why after upgrading do i not have the human-murrine theme?
[02:43] <mneptok> tgelter: like Adobe? ;)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> for large # crunching things i hear ya gain some . but its mainly about the memory.
[02:43] <DanaG> A friend is fetching stuff from me over samba, over wifi, but it's causing lag for others in online games.
[02:43] <emma> Right now I have 1 GB of ram, could i put 5 more GB of ram in there?
[02:43] <Kevin_b_er> yeah number crunching
[02:43] <tgelter> mneptok: no, I'm no advocate of theirs
[02:43] <keith-> what package is the new theme in?
[02:43] <tomahasamoot> I've installed sun-java6-bin,fonts,jre but java -version still says OpenJDK, what gives?
[02:44] <m11> emma , 3.5gb with 32bit os, for more u need 64bit
[02:44] <DanaG> So, I want to limit my own connection speed.
[02:44] <mneptok> tomahasamoot: update-java-alternaives -l
[02:44] <jimiridge> ugh well evidently my bios doesnt support virtualization :P
[02:44] <jimiridge> that blows in a big way
[02:44] <emma> okay so the number of bits is like a cap on your maximum RAM?
[02:44] <chowmeined> no i mean, firefox 3 wont be released until june?
[02:44] <setuid> jimiridge, For Xen?
[02:44] <mneptok> gunh
[02:44] <mneptok> tomahasamoot: update-java-alternatives -l
[02:44] <chowmeined> is hardy going back to firefox 2?
[02:44] <m11> tgelter: yes, i supose time will come, but ...
[02:44] <m11> emma, no
[02:44] <jimiridge> i tried with KVM
[02:44] <emma> you said 3.5 gb with 32
[02:44] <hmuller> chowmeined: as far as I know, Hardy is using FF3
[02:44] <jimiridge> think xen would work?
[02:44] <m11> yes emma
[02:45] <m11> _that is limit of 32bit OS
[02:45] <tgelter> jimiridge: there are other ways of virtualizing than kvm if your cpu doesn't provide the extention
[02:45] <chowmeined> hmuller, i know.. but ff3 wont be released until june
[02:45] <chowmeined> hmuller, so is hardy going to ship a beta release?
[02:45] <emma> Yeah so the bits cap your max RAM
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> jimiridge: use virtualbox.... you don't need virtualization instructions for that
[02:45] <emma> ?
[02:45] <jimiridge> what about xen?
[02:45] <emma> With 32 bits there's no way to use more than 3.5 GB of ram?
[02:45] <m11> yes emma
[02:45] <hmuller> chowmeined: maybe, I like FF3 beta better than FF2 stable
[02:45] <m11> yes emma
[02:45] <tgelter> jimiridge: virtualbox will certainly work for your desktop, but if you want to use your virtual machines for production, you'd want to look elsewhere
[02:46] <emma> How much ram can I use with 64 bits? 7 GB ?
[02:46] <m11> over 4gb
[02:46] <setuid> chowmeined, Here's ff3b4 (my own screenshot)
[02:46] <setuid> http://code.gnu-designs.com/ff_3.0b4_user-interface.jpg
[02:46] <mneptok> emma: 4GB
[02:46] <chowmeined> i like firefox 3
[02:46] <emma> Only 4 ?
[02:46] <hmuller> emma: whatever your system is designed for
[02:46] <mneptok> emma: with 64? way more than you can afford.
[02:46] <setuid> chowmeined, Here's 2.x: http://code.gnu-designs.com/ff_<IP_ADDRESS>_user-interface.jpg
[02:46] <m11> :)
[02:46] <chowmeined> better than firefox 2, but im just wondering about how they are going to handle that with hardy
[02:46] <setuid> ff3 is a *MESS* of an interface
[02:46] <keith-> anyone know how i can get the human-murrine theme?
[02:46] <emma> My system only came with 1 GB of ram. I always thought that was a lot.
[02:47] <setuid> it's sloppy, the fonts aren't aliased, the menus are all random-sized heights, etc.
[02:47] <emma> I wonder if there is room to put 5 GB more RAM in there
[02:47] <hmuller> emma: start virtualizing and you'll want more
[02:47] <m11> emma, if u dont plan on VM'ing or somthing spectacular video cluster editing, stay with 32
[02:47] <mneptok> emma: it is, for you. it's not for, say, the Near Earth Asteroid Project
[02:47] <setuid> You need to hack around in about:config to get it to play nice
[02:47] <robinson> setuid: it looks fine on my Gutsy machine, but grainy on my Hardy machine
[02:47] <setuid> emma, Depends on how much your mobo can support
[02:47] <tgelter> keith-: gnome-look.org
[02:47] <hmuller> setuid: yes, it needs work.  but I'm getting what I paid for and more
[02:47] <m11> emma, ussualy laptops have 2 slots on mobo
[02:47] <setuid> hmuller, Sure, that's one benefit
[02:47] <robinson> works for me, though
[02:47] <emma> Is there a way of finding out how much RAM I can add to my system from the command line?
[02:47] <emma> This is not a laptop this is a desktop
[02:48] <m11> ah
[02:48] <robinson> emma: visit crucial.com
[02:48] <chowmeined> emma, look up your motherboard
[02:48] <setuid> But I work in an environment where I need to justify my tools (with paperwork!), and showing someone that FF is better than MSIE, and showing them _that_, is a joke.
[02:48] <chowmeined> robinson, what, and use their activeX plugin?
[02:48] <robinson> you can put in your model number and it will tell you what type of ram and how much
[02:48] <robinson> no, just use the drop down menus
[02:48] <keith-> tgelter: but it is supposed to be included
[02:48] <chowmeined> setuid, show them the acid2 test
[02:49] <hmuller> setuid: what?  FF3 Beta beats MSIE anyday
[02:49] <emma> The Crucial System Scanner
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[02:49] <emma> It should take approximately 5-20 seconds for the Crucial System Scanner to load. If you do not see results in a reasonable amount of time, see our troubleshooting page for more help.
[02:49] <emma> Please wait while the Crucial System Scanner loads.
[02:49] <emma> It should take approximately 5-20 seconds for the Crucial System Scanner to load. If you do not see results in a reasonable amount of time, see our troubleshooting page for more help.
[02:49] <robinson> i missed part of the conversation, is this a built computer, and not a major manufacturer's?
[02:49] <emma> Initializing the Crucial System Scanner
[02:49] <chowmeined> and i dont know why your interfaces are messed up
[02:49] <emma> It should take approximately 5-20 seconds for the Crucial System Scanner to load. If you do not see results in a reasonable amount of time, see our troubleshooting page for more help.
[02:49] <emma> Please wait while we scan your system.
[02:49] <hmuller> opera is kind of nice though ...
[02:49] <emma> Scanning your computer..
[02:49] <emma> Please allow at least 60 seconds for your results. If this process takes longer than this, it could indicate a conflict with an ad blocker or Internet security program. Please see our troubleshooting page for more help.
[02:49] <chowmeined> but mine isnt, on gutsy or hardy
[02:49] <emma> Please click to accept the ActiveX plug-in
[02:49] <setuid> Here you go: Compiz on EeePC: http://youtube.com/watch?v=PiydlCQhHzE
[02:49] <m11> !paste > emma
[02:49] <emma> Or you can use the downloadable version of the System Scanner tool.
[02:49] <emma> Our downloadable System Scanner allows you to run the Crucial System Scanner locally — get upgrade results on Crucial.com in any browser without installing the ActiveX control required to run the scanner online.
[02:49] <emma> You have chosen not to accept our ActiveX plug-in.
[02:49] <emma> You can download the System Scanner tool, which does not require ActiveX.
[02:49] <emma> Important notice to Windows XP users: Have you installed Service Pack 2 for Windows XP? If so, you will need to take an additional step to run the System Scanner. At the top of this page, look for a yellow information bar showing a message about the Crucial System Scanner. You will need to click on that page and choose "Install ActiveX Control" to continue, or you may use our downloadable System Scanner.
[02:49] <m11> emma stop it lol
[02:49] <setuid> Look at how fast that damn thing is ;)
[02:49] <emma> If you continue to have problems, or if you are not running Windows XP with Service Pack 2, try these troubleshooting steps:
[02:49] <emma>     * Did you answer "no" to the System Scanner security certific
[02:49] <emma> What the hell
[02:49] <chowmeined> emma, wtf are you doing
[02:49] <emma> I don't know why that happened.
[02:49] <setuid> emma!!!
[02:49] <emma> I really don't know why that happened. I thought it was just one paragraph.
[02:49] <setuid> -m her please ;)
[02:49] <setuid> Ok, whew ;)
[02:49] <jimiridge> yeah i just missed the past 30 lines
[02:50] <robinson> emma: what is the brand and model of your computer?

[02:50] <chowmeined> ok.. next question
[02:50] <emma> that was weird. I'm not a flooder.
[02:50] <setuid> I've never seen compiz run so fast
[02:50] <hmuller> sure, I'll be she says that to all the channel mates
[02:50] <m11> emma =bot ? :)
[02:50] <robinson> or, do you have the make and model of the motherboard?
[02:50] <chowmeined> is openjdk broken for other people on hardy?
[02:51] <chowmeined> applets dont load, and i cant run any java web start apps
[02:51] <emma> No certainly not.
[02:51] <tgelter> keith-: is it listed under "system-->preferences-->appearance-->theme?"
[02:51] <keith-> no
[02:51] <keith-> tgelter:
[02:52] <m11> emma , dl both 32bit and 64bit and check what works better for you if u want play around, if no, go for 32bit imo
[02:52] <robinson> chowmeined: works fine here. i just tapped into my untangle server, which requires javaws
[02:52] <keith-> i'm looking for this theme http://the-space-station.com/blog/?p=29
[02:52] <robinson> sure you got it installed?
[02:53] <lubosz> keith-: this is my college friends blog ^^
[02:53] <keith-> well ask him why i don't have that theme...
[02:53] <keith-> well i'm sure i have hardy installed
[02:53] <lubosz> hm
[02:53] <lubosz> maybe thats the alpha theme
[02:54] <emma> robinson, and others this is my system -- http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&objectID=c00572530
[02:54] <keith-> so they removed it completely?
[02:54] <lubosz> keith-: did you do a clean install or upgrade?
[02:54] <setuid> top - 22:54:29 up  3:57,  6 users,  load average: 36.55, 20.06, 9.67
[02:54] <keith-> upgrade
[02:54] <setuid> I hate luks
[02:54] <keith-> lubosz: that's why i'm trying to find the package it's in
[02:54] <setuid> It eats so much processor to decrypt blocks
[02:54] <chowmeined> robinson, yea i installed icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[02:54] <robinson> i just used the ones from sun, they work for me
[02:55] <lubosz> keith-: Murrine is the name
[02:55] <chowmeined> robinson, i know the plugins are there because firefox doesnt popup the 'missing plugin' stuff, and down in the corner it says, 'applet failed to initialize'
[02:55] <chowmeined> its because all these apps throw exceptions
[02:55] <chowmeined> robinson, im talking about openjdk not sun-java6
[02:55] <keith-> lubosz: i don't see any package other than the engine named that...
[02:56] <setuid> I wonder if I can optimize kcryptd somehow
[02:56] <DistroJockey> keith-: human-theme  in Synaptic
[02:56] <emma> It looks like with this computer the maximum RAM I can get up to is 4 GB :(
[02:56] <robinson> emma: http://crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=Presario%20SR1750NX
[02:56] <emma> Which means that 64 bit is pointless?
[02:57] <keith-> DistroJockey: says i have it
[02:57] <keith-> DistroJockey: but i promise it isn't listed
[02:57] <robinson> chowmeined: sorry
[02:57] <keith-> and i've even found the Human-murrine theme in /usr/share/themes and it doesn't have the stuff
[02:57] <hmuller> emma: 4GB is fine, that's what I am using on Hardy Desktop Amd64
[02:57] <m11> emma , u can always try
[02:58] <m11> but it is not that u will gain like 50% speed of 64bit system
[02:58] <DistroJockey> keith-: maybe try a remove and re-add
[02:58] <emma> do you have a smoother experience with your PC when you have 4 GB of RAM?
[02:58] <m11> of course :)
[02:59] <setuid> I had to use the 64-bit version of Hardy, because the 32-bit version doesn't see > 2GB ram on my 64-bit hardware.
[02:59] <hmuller> emma: It comes in handy when virtualizing for sure
[02:59] <setuid> Spent days debugging that one
[02:59] <emma> I might like to virtualize because Hardy is coming with a VM by default.
[02:59] <m11> OO.o with 1gb =5 sec , with OO.o with 4gb = 1sec
[02:59] <setuid> m11, after a cold boot?
[02:59] <DistroJockey> emma: if you have 4 RAM slots with 2x512MB at the moment, I would get 2x1GB and fill the other 2 slots (for a total of 3GB
[03:00] <hmuller> setuid: I understand, I'm becoming an nvidia 'engineer' trying to get suspend / hibernate working perfectly
[03:00] <setuid> hmuller !!!
[03:00] <m11> setuid , cold boot ?
[03:00] <keith-> i just tried to reinstall it and it is still not there or not different... perhaps they changed it to look very similar
[03:00] <setuid> hmuller, You'll save lots of our lives if you do
[03:00] <emma> DistroJockey, why not go for 4 and take advantage of 64 bits?
[03:00] <savvas> has anyone uploaded a bug lately?
[03:00] <hmuller> I'm just about there
[03:00] <setuid> hmuller, Thinkwiki is fully of thousands of us wanting that feature
[03:00] <savvas> a crash report, sorry
[03:01] <setuid> hmuller, I'm close myself. You don't work _for_ Nvidia though, do you?
[03:01] <savvas> i get a 502 bad gateway error
[03:01] <setuid> i.e. you're not writing the driver _code_, are you?
[03:01] <hmuller> setuid:  No, just an obsessive-compulsive learner
[03:01] <setuid> That's whyy I've been using Linux for the last 14 years ;)
[03:01] <setuid> I'm blockheaded and don't give up on problems
[03:01] <hmuller> setuid:  And still learning to write C, write some mean shell and awk script though!
[03:02] <emma> Some times I seem to become compulsive and do not give up on problems either. Some times I am very resolute.
[03:02] <MythbuntuGuest36> i recently upgraded a mythbuntu frontend to hardy and am having trouble with the sound, is there anyone that could get me started in the right direction figuring it out?
[03:02] <emma> If only I knew how to code I could help some how.
[03:02] <DistroJockey> emma: 64bit is not worth the hasle
[03:02] <setuid> Hrm, what the hell is Safari doing on this site? http://ubuntu-debs.googlecode.com/files/SafariSetup.exe
[03:02] <hmuller> emma:  all you need is your 'resoluteness'  =)
[03:03] <m11> emma , for your pc, 32bit will do just fine
[03:03] <savvas> emma: that's why bug trackers and emails are for: complaining to the source of the problem :)
[03:03] <m11> savvas: u mean the programers ?:)
[03:03] <emma> I'm sure the last thing that Ubuntu devs want is to hear from me :)
[03:03] <m11> emma , u wrong about that ;)
[03:03] <Dr_willis> !skype
[03:03] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[03:03] <savvas> m11: mainly, and the package maintainers :P
[03:03] <m11> ;)
[03:04] <emma> I don't understand though why you all make a 64 bit Ubuntu if you discourage everyone from using it.
[03:04] <setuid> DistroJockey, I think many of us would disagree
[03:04] <Dr_willis> emma,  its there to use if you want to.. go ahead.
[03:04] <Dr_willis> You wont gain much, and you may have issues.. is the bottom line.
[03:04] <setuid> DistroJockey, I personally would like to use all 4gb of my ram, not 1/2 of it. 64-bit Hardy lets me do that.
[03:04] <hmuller> emma:  don't be discouraged, there are just a 'few' more bugs
[03:04] <m11> emma, best thing as i told u b4, dl both 64 and 32 and test them to see
[03:05] <keith-> setuid: can't you use all 4 gigs with a different kernel than the default in 32bit?  although i prefer 64bit anyway
[03:05] <DistroJockey> setuid: I've had issues with 64bit that broke my system and I suggested getting 3GB so that none is wasted :)
[03:05] <setuid> keith-, Nope, -server didn't work, nor did bigiron
[03:05] <hmuller> Dr_willis:  Now that's not the tone of a died in the wool Debian From Scratch person!
[03:05] <emma> if I have a home partition but currently use 32 bits, could I do a fresh install of 64 bit but keep my home partition?
[03:06] <setuid> DistroJockey, I see all 4gb, and 64-bit works fine for me
[03:06] <m11> keith-: 32 bit is maximum 3 or 3,5 gb, it dont recognize more
[03:06] <DistroJockey> setuid: glad to hear :)
[03:06] <setuid> DistroJockey, Only issue was Skype, but I worked around that with linux32, and now Oo.org, but I'm working that out too
[03:07] <DistroJockey> setuid: It's been a while since I tried 64bit I must admit
[03:07] <emma> Did Ubuntu ever put Google Earth in it's repo?
[03:08] <m11> dont think so, but is 3 min install emma
[03:08] <DistroJockey> It's in Hardy beta (googleearth-package)
[03:08] <keith-> emma: i think you can get it with the add/remove software program it just enables a third party repo
[03:08] <tomahasamoot> emma: I got it from medibuntu
[03:08] <emma> The last time I used it, it crashed X.
[03:08] <emma> I would only use it again if it was from one of the Ubuntu repos.
[03:08] <m11> emma , u got onboard graphics ?
[03:09] <emma> I have a low end ATi
[03:09] <setuid> hmuller, Are you on a TP?
[03:09] <elbermungsterses> hi, i have an error upgrading from gusty to hardy beta. it says "could not calculate the upgrade: A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[03:09] <elbermungsterses>  This can be caused by:
[03:09] <elbermungsterses>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[03:09] <elbermungsterses>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[03:09] <elbermungsterses>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[03:09] <elbermungsterses> If none of this applies, then please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport"
[03:09] <setuid> hmuller, I've got a T61p, T42p and X61s here
[03:09] <m11> emma , i would recomend switch to nvidia;)
[03:09] <setuid> m11, I wouldn't... ATI works better (3d, cooler, suspend/hibernate)
[03:10] <hmuller> setuid: No, Inspiron 1420, last one was a 600m.  I was going to go with a  Thinkpad but I heard the quality has declined, true or not?
[03:10] <emma> With my ATi i have never been able to see what Compiz is all about.
[03:10] <NukeSkyjumper> seems like pulseaudio is adding a 0.1sec delay in the audio... anyone heard of a workaround?
[03:10] <setuid> hmuller, I'd have to agree. My 3-year old T42p is a tank, these two new laptops are not so good... and I may return one and send in the other for repair. They're 3 weeks old.
[03:10] <emma> Is there reason to think that I could put an nvidia into my computer?
[03:10] <elbermungsterses> can anyone help me/
[03:10] <elbermungsterses> ?
[03:10] <m11> setuid , did u try never ati's ?
[03:10] <hmuller> setuid:  That's what I've heard since the Lenovo acquisition
[03:11] <setuid> emma, My T42p Thinkpad (3 year old TP), has an ATI adapter, and compiz works great on it
[03:11] <tgelter> so whenever I play a video encoded in xvid, the colors are all inverted (negative)...anyone seen that or know how to fix?
[03:11] <Flannel> hmuller, setuid: No decline of quality, no.
[03:11] <hmuller> setuid:  Dell's quality has increased exponentially in my anecdotal opinion
[03:11] <setuid> hmuller, Well, Lenovo has been making the Thinkpads for the last 5 years, so my T42p was Lenovo-made, but IBM Q&A'd...
[03:11] <m11> setuid , on 9xxx series works, but try x1xxx series, u cant do nothing there
[03:11] <hmuller> Flannel:  thanks for chiming in
[03:12] <Flannel> hmuller: Im typing on one now
 oh yeah? well I'm typing AND reading on my Inspiron!
[03:13] <hmuller> I'm not sure what to think of these nvidia integrated graphics though ...
[03:13] <setuid> My Thinkpad has an external Nvidia adapter
[03:13] <setuid> I lose 2 hours of battery life, but the video is sweet
[03:13] <setuid> That is... there's a 2-hour battery life difference between nvidia discrete vs. integrated adapters on Thinkpads
[03:14] <hmuller> I thought my graphics were good, until I ran blob sallad
[03:14] <setuid> What's that?
[03:14] <setuid> Oh, it's a remake of Loco Roco
[03:15] <emma> I would like to find and buy a used ThinkPad from someone
[03:15] <setuid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFKpyScxv0k
[03:15] <hmuller> I'm still trying to figure out why it eats 90+ of one of my processors
[03:16] <tgelter> emma: I've got a t61 I might sell if the price is right =)
[03:16] <setuid> tgelter, what size screen/resolution?
[03:16] <emma> tgelter, okay how about 450 USD ?
[03:16] <elbermungsterses> can anyone help me? i keep on getting this error when i upgrade to hardy. "
[03:16] <elbermungsterses> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[03:16] <elbermungsterses>  This can be caused by:
[03:16] <elbermungsterses>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[03:16] <elbermungsterses>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[03:16] <elbermungsterses>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[03:16] <setuid> $ xrandr -q | head -1
[03:16] <setuid> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 512, current 1920 x 1200, maximum 1920 x 1200
[03:16] <elbermungsterses> If none of this applies, then please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport
[03:16] <tgelter> setuid: 15.4 inch 1680x1050
[03:16] <setuid> elbermungsterses, Don't do that
[03:17] <setuid> elbermungsterses, use rafb.net/paste
[03:17] <elbermungsterses> can i use ubuntu pastebin?
[03:17] <setuid> tgelter, ah, I have the 15.4" 1920x1200 T61p
[03:17] <hmuller> setuid:  with the biometrics?
[03:17] <kalatian> elbermungsterses: there isn't any information there that tells us what is wrong exactly (and you can use any pastebin, yes :D)
[03:17] <setuid> hmuller, Yes, and thinkfinger works great
[03:18] <hmuller> sweet
[03:18] <tgelter> setuid: yeah, I wanted the p, but they didn't have it listed online when I went to purchase
[03:18] <setuid> hmuller, for sudo, su, screensaver, logins, etc.
[03:18] <hmuller> setuid:  I'm jealous
[03:18] <setuid> I wish I could get it working for luks and grub password, but not yet
[03:18] <setuid> I think I have to package it outside of initrd to get that working
[03:19] <setuid> Or link it statically to grub
[03:19] <hmuller> setuid: grub is pre kernel
[03:19] <setuid> hmuller, Right
[03:19] <setuid> That's the catch-22
[03:19] <setuid> Unless the BIOS can handle it
[03:19] <setuid> Maybe I can replace the bios with LinuxBios and stick it in there
[03:19] <tgelter> what packages would I look to reinstall/remove in order to get video to *not* be negative'd (all colors opposite what they should be) for movies of any kind?
[03:20] <hmuller> setuid:  Well you know, it might be easier to roll your own linux bios, and include the driver!
[03:20] <setuid> hmuller, That's what I said above ;)
[03:20] <hmuller> ah yes, missed that
[03:20] <elbermungsterses> kalatian, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61439/
[03:21] <hmuller> that's one of my fantasies, to roll my own bios
[03:21] <setuid> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2008/03/arduino_etchascetch_clock.html
[03:21] <Prefix> just installed Hardy and emerald wont strat on startup, i have to type emerald --replace, and keep the terminal open. Any suggestions?
[03:22] <kalatian> elbermungsterses: I take it you are upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy?
[03:22] <m11> setuid , hmuller :  http://coreboot.org
[03:22] <elbermungsterses> yes kalatian
[03:22] <kalatian> ok
[03:22] <setuid> m11, Right, but it's not validated on our platforms
[03:22] <kalatian> elbermungsterses: can you run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in a terminal?
[03:22] <elbermungsterses> i'll try
[03:23] <tgelter> prefix: this isn't the fix, but instead of leaving a terminal open, you could just use alt-f2
[03:23] <tomahasamoot> I installed nvidia-glx-new, but it's not working... x is using some other driver
[03:23] <setuid> pidgin gets worse with every release. Now I can't resize the edit box
[03:23] <m11> hmm, seems my mobo is suported for coreboot :)
[03:23] <elbermungsterses> it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[03:24] <irelinquish> there's an alternative pidgin that fixes that, i just for got the name, googlei it setuid
[03:24] <Prefix> ty tgelter, anyway i can make that run on startup?
[03:24] <hmuller> setuid:  my last hardware 'hack' - http://www.mullerlab.com/cosmacelfpic.html
[03:24] <tgelter> prefix: sure, "system--> preferences --> sessions"
[03:24] <hmuller> ignore the site, way out dated, the pic is good though
[03:25] <setuid> hmuller, What is it?
[03:25] <kalatian> elbermungsterses: ok... the problem is, the error you posted doesn't give enough information to determine the problem... I suspect that is update-manager's fault and not your own, however.
[03:25] <setuid> DAC?
[03:25] <hmuller> remember the old kit computers?
[03:25] <tgelter> prefix: though there is likely a more elegant solution to your problem
[03:25] <setuid> hmuller, sure, I used to have a Tandy one with a potentiometer that worked over AM freq to a television set, wireless... ran with a casette drive.
[03:25] <hmuller> it was a build it yourself project in Popular Electronics back in 76
[03:25] <sarixe> hi, how do i set gtkpod as the default program for ipods?
[03:25] <hmuller> finally got around to building it in 2006
[03:25] <setuid> Maybe it was HeathKit, I forget now
[03:26] <irelinquish> setuid, lookup funpidgin
[03:26] <setuid> hmuller, Do you subscribe to Nuts and Volts?
[03:26] <irelinquish> it has resizleable box's
[03:26] <sarixe> rhythmbox comes up by default, and it's crap compared to gtkpod.  is there a different place that i can set this option?
[03:26] <hmuller> setuid:  No, I just read it every time I'm at the magazine rack
[03:26] <tomahasamoot> how can I fix X?  It's not using the nvidia driver
[03:26] <setuid> hmuller, I've been getting it for free for ~15 years or something.
[03:26] <irelinquish> prefered applications, hmuller
[03:26] <Prefix> ok ty, now the next thing.. is there anyway i can hide the screenlet icon from my notication area, i really hate it?
[03:26] <setuid> Somehow I got on their list years ago, and never had to pay for it
[03:27] <hmuller> irelinquish: I feel like you are trying to say something ;)
[03:28] <elbermungsterses> kalatian, i'm running it from terminal now, so i may be able to get the complete error message.
[03:29] <elbermungsterses> oh well, i'll do it the CD way
[03:29] <kalatian> ...ok. I guess he didn't want to hear the next suggestion.
[03:31] <hmuller> to all a good nite
[03:32] <emma> tgelter, okay how about 450 USD ?
[03:32] <m11> emma, for that price u should get asus eee ;)
[03:33] <emma> asus eee is no good for real use.
[03:33] <m11> why no ?
[03:33] <m11> 1gb ram , 8gb hdd
[03:33] <sarixe> anyone know how to set the default multimedia application for ipods or other media devices?
[03:33] <emma> because every thing I do is very writing intensive and I think the small keyboard and small screen would become overwhelming.
[03:33] <irelinquish> sarixe, prefered applications
[03:34] <irelinquish> its under system > preferences
[03:34] <m11> i c
[03:34] <sarixe> irelinquish : yes, that would be the obvious course, but that option seems to have been wiped from that dialogue
[03:34] <sarixe> -ue, even
[03:34] <irelinquish> really?
[03:34] <sarixe> yep
[03:34] <irelinquish> umm, your using gnome right?
[03:34] <sarixe> yep
[03:35] <irelinquish> in kde you can use konqueror and set it up pretty easily
[03:35] <emma> Is there any possibility that there will eventually be a release of Ubuntu that does not use Gnome as the default DE ?
[03:35] <sarixe> emma: xubuntu, kubuntu
[03:35] <emma> That's not what I mean.
[03:35] <irelinquish> emma, Lmao
[03:35] <irelinquish> ohh jk then
[03:35] <sarixe> o
[03:36] <emma> I mean a release of Ubuntu
[03:36] <irelinquish> then, they dont have it planned
[03:36] <m11> yes u got answer above emma
[03:36] <emma> You don't understand what Im trying to say
[03:37] <m11> emma , ubuntu =gnome
[03:37] <emma> imagine a future where Gnome has become defunct or KDE or something else has become extremely and obviously better
[03:37] <emma> is it possible that KDE or something else would be made the default DE for flagship Ubuntu
[03:37] <m11> then u will have "xyz"buntu probably
[03:37] <Dr_willis> XXXbuntu
[03:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:37] <sarixe> lol
[03:38] <Dr_willis> gnome works good enough for most peoples needs.
[03:38] <setuid> Dr_willis, You know the history of the Ubuntu artwork, right?
[03:38] <setuid> Mark wanted to make it nudes and sexy
[03:38] <Dr_willis> and from a 'business' point of view - it does work well enough to get the work done.
[03:38] <setuid> There's a podcast out there with this described in it
[03:38] <sarixe> http://images.google.com/images?q=ubuntu
[03:38] <Dr_willis> setuid,  :) I think we need to use 'animal backsides' as the default wallpaper.
[03:39] <setuid> http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18174629.jpg?size=572&uid=%7BFA412DC4-0450-4D9F-AED2-3DBBDAC3A553%7D
[03:39] <setuid> http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-18175407.jpg?size=572&uid=%7B394BAAD3-F6CB-4170-8F26-9AE5E6A503D5%7D
[03:39] <setuid> ;)
[03:39] <setuid> there's two
[03:40] <sarixe> lulz
[03:40] <sarixe> O.o
[03:40] <Dr_willis> I have a collection of 'backside' icons. :)
[03:40] <emma> I personally think it was a mistake to paint themselves into a corner with the Ubuntu naming scheme.
[03:41] <emma> Having Kubuntu and Ubuntu is just confusing and limiting. It should just be Ubuntu with different editions.
[03:41] <Dr_willis> Yep. They could just use UbuntuKDE
[03:41] <emma> That would be better.
[03:41] <sarixe> irelinquish : the only option under Multimedia was Multimedia Player, and that didn't solve the problem
[03:41] <emma> Ubuntu KDE edition. Etc.
[03:41] <DistroJockey> emma: As it's not Gubuntu, they could easily switch if needed :)
[03:41] <Dr_willis> i know lets use a really good naming schame like openoffice.org does! and make the web url also the name!
[03:42] <Dr_willis> we need to focus more on the cute animal names! those really cut down on the confuseion of all these new linux users i see at work. :)
[03:43] <emma> DistroJockey,  it will be odd though, supposing KDE did have some innovation that made it so much better than Gnome... So that a future release of Ubuntu goes to KDE... Now all of a sudden all of us are using Kubuntu ?
[03:43]  * Dr_willis waits for a "hello kitty ubuntu' edition.
[03:43] <sarixe> ibex != cute; ibex = badass
[03:43] <irelinquish> sarixe, reconnect your divice isn't there a way to set up amarok, or gtkpod
[03:43] <emet> feisty fawn = cute
[03:43] <DistroJockey> emma: yeah, I see your point
[03:43] <emet> gutsy gibbon = cute
[03:43] <Dr_willis> warty warthog :)
[03:43] <DistroJockey> hehe
[03:44] <Dr_willis> I rember ages ago kids when i was using 'anorexic amoeba'
[03:44] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:44] <sarixe> lol
[03:44] <emet> gibbons are so cute
[03:44] <DistroJockey> I vote for Joking Jackal for after Ibex :)
[03:45] <sarixe> irelinquish : still nothing
[03:45] <emet> the adj is suppose to focus on the release qualities
[03:45] <sarixe> irelinquish : i'll even try Removable Drives and Media
[03:45] <emet> like gutsy gibbon was gutsy cause they use an alpha-quality window manager
[03:46] <SilverDawn> .flash
[03:46] <SilverDawn> !flash
[03:46] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:46] <SilverDawn> Okay whats up with flash in hardy
[03:47] <sarixe> irelinquish : still nothing, even.  it was actually there, last time i saw it, which was on gutsy
[03:47] <irelinquish> i wish i had an ipod to check
[03:47]  * SilverDawn ->God Module - Lost time<- ->Viscera<- ->Electronic<- ->2005<- ->1:08/4:28<- ->music player daemon 0.13.0<-
[03:47] <irelinquish> i'm sorry
[03:47] <SilverDawn> crap...
[03:47] <SilverDawn> Sorry all i was testing a script, Didnt know the auther had put color and spam in it
[03:48] <SilverDawn> Didnt even expect it to work
[03:48] <SilverDawn> Once again, Sorry
[03:48] <sarixe> irelinquish : meh, it'll resolve eventually
[03:48] <irelinquish> sarixe, it used to be in removeable drives and media. Its not anymore?
[03:49] <sarixe> right
[03:49] <irelinquish> sucks
[03:49] <irelinquish> make a forum post abouit it
[03:49] <sarixe> yup
[03:49] <sarixe> ok
[03:49] <irelinquish> that will get great responses : )
[03:49] <sarixe> hope so
[03:50] <sarixe> where do i post about hardy, anyway?
[03:51] <SilverDawn> can anyone tell me whats up with flash in hardy?
[03:51] <SilverDawn> Is there a package? or .... what
[03:52] <setuid> Flash worked for me out of the box
[03:52] <DistroJockey> sarixe: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=305
[03:53] <sarixe> thanks
[03:53] <DistroJockey> np
[03:55] <Dr_willis> flash seems to work here.. at least the banner ads are.. :)
[03:55] <sarixe> seems like two people beat me there
[03:56] <Dr_willis> i did imnstall the ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[03:56] <sarixe> aha! got it
[03:56] <sarixe> Nautilus: Edit > Preferences > Media
[03:57] <sarixe> but i can't specify a custom program...
[03:58] <DistroJockey> sarixe: What was it you are trying to do?
[03:58] <mohamed_> hi, i have onboard vga ATI x1200, is there drivers that can make it work well under ubuntu hardy ?
[03:58] <sarixe> make the default app for ipods, gtkpod
[03:58] <sarixe> instead of rhythmbox
[03:58] <setuid> amarok blows away gtkpod
[03:58] <sarixe> no no, there are some things that are much easier in gtkpod
[03:58] <setuid> mohamed_, use radeon
[03:59] <setuid> Like?
[03:59] <sarixe> like setting album art from custom files
[03:59] <mohamed_> setuid, from amd website ?
[03:59] <DistroJockey> sarixe: It's not in System - Preferences - Preferred Applications ?
[03:59] <sarixe> specifying the file type of audiobooks
[03:59] <sarixe> er, no
[03:59] <setuid> sarixe, 2 clicks in amarok
[04:00] <Smegzor> I have lost all menu entries for folder sharing in gnome.  How do I get them back?
[04:00] <sarixe> setuid : you can transfer an audiobook, and make the ipod recognize it as an audiobook?
[04:00] <keithclark>  I am having a problem sharing files between two computers via ssh, one is running 7.10 and the other 8.04.  I can view the directories and even play media files on the remote computer, but when I try to save files to it, a dialog window comes up and shows the progress, which never seems to move.  I also lose access to that remote computer until I cancel the process and logout and back in again.  Any ideas wha
[04:00] <keithclark> t is going wrong here?
[04:00] <setuid> sarixe, yep
[04:00] <setuid> sarixe, You could try songbird also
[04:00] <sarixe> hm... you have to teach me your ways
[04:00] <setuid> Songbird is like iTunes, using Mozilla components
[04:00] <sarixe> nah, songbird is too early for me
[04:00] <setuid> It already surpasses iTus
[04:00] <setuid> er, iTunes
[04:00] <sarixe> though i _am_ using hardy...
[04:01] <Dr_willis> keithclark,  you using sshfs? or what exactgly to transfer the files?   the filemanagers ssh:// type address?
[04:01] <sarixe> is there any repo for it?
[04:01] <setuid> sarixe, I use the one from upstream
[04:01] <sarixe> ah
[04:01] <keithclark> Dr_willis, yes, Nautilis and the sftp://192.168.x.x
[04:01] <sarixe> well i'd probably be better off using amarok... i use that to transcode flac -> mp3 already
[04:01] <sarixe> better have it all in one
[04:01] <IanLiu> My sound is too low, I have to raise too much my volume to hear something. Is there a solution to this?
[04:02] <setuid> IanLiu, alsamixer?
[04:03] <sarixe> setuid : at any rate, i'd need to specify a custom default app for ipods... but there's no way.  it's either rhythmbox, or ask, open folder, or do nothing
[04:04] <setuid> sarixe, change it in preferred applications
[04:04] <sarixe> can't, that's the thing
[04:04] <IanLiu> setuid: Thanks ;)
[04:04] <setuid> Custom -> /usr/bin/amarok
[04:05] <setuid> Mine lets me use Rhythmbox, Totem or Custom
[04:05] <sarixe> yeah, but the only option there is Multimedia Player, and that doesn't affect ipods
[04:05] <sarixe> but i'll try again
[04:05] <jimiridge> ugh virtualbox and kernel probs
[04:05] <setuid> gconf-editor
[04:06] <jimiridge> Error: /usr/src/linux (version 2.6.24-12-generic) does not match the current kernel (version 2.6.24-12-386)
[04:06] <jimiridge> i dont see the kernel source package in the repo's
[04:06] <sarixe> setuid : fail
[04:06] <DanaG> Heh, meant to restart samba, but restarted gdm instead.  Hah.
[04:06] <sarixe> setuid : i'll try gconf-editor next
[04:07] <sarixe> what key is it?
[04:07] <jimiridge> aptit
[04:09] <jimiridge> nevermind fixed it :P
[04:12] <jimiridge> so i used the linux-i386 virtualbox install... in installed the kernel driver but i dont see the userspace program anywhere
[04:12] <jimiridge> virtualbo.run
[04:13] <m11> programs>system tools ?
[04:13] <jimiridge> not the ose version
[04:13] <jimiridge> sun's direct download one
[04:13] <sarixe> setuid : what key would it be? i think i found where it's supposed to be... but it's missing
[04:14] <sarixe> desktop > gnome > volume_manager, key would be autoplay_something, i believe
[04:14] <sarixe> oh wait, it is here
[04:14] <sarixe> autoipod, autoipod_command
[04:15] <sarixe> but it's already set to gtkpod
[04:15] <sarixe> are gconf keys per user? because if so, it'd be already set from my gutsy install.  i kept the home folder from that install on a separate partition
[04:18] <crdlb> sarixe: yes, gconf setting values are stored in ~/.gconf
[04:18] <sarixe> yep, that explains it
[04:19] <IanLiu> Tab autocompletion in Terminal doesnt work?
[04:19] <sarixe> same here, but only partially
[04:19] <IanLiu> hmm
[04:19] <sarixe> it doesn't work with sudo, apt-get for me
[04:20] <IanLiu> yeah
[04:21] <sarixe> anyway guys, i'll just leave it set to "do nothing" for now, it's just the same to me.  just that it was annoying to have rhythmbox come up
[04:27] <sarixe> setuid : so how do i set the file type, then?
[04:32] <doofy> im trying to install hardy and im just getting exception emask 0x0 any ideas?
[04:33] <gluer> is there a way to back up my hardy installation? backup to iso or something?
[04:35] <m11> !backup
[04:35] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[04:38] <sarixe> oo, there be updates :D
[04:41] <setuid> I just found something nasty
[04:41] <setuid> it reproducably crashes X
[04:41] <sarixe> eek
[04:41] <setuid> Load Safari in wine, run Safari, then go to Edit -> Preferences... bam, X will crash and recycle gdm.
[04:42]  * sarixe tries it...
[04:42] <sarixe> gotta get safari first...
[04:42] <setuid> Yep, easy
[04:42] <m11> anyone uses prism54usb driver ?
[04:42] <setuid> wget http://ubuntu-debs.googlecode.com/files/SafariSetup.exe
[04:42] <sarixe> why not just download it from apple.com?
[04:43] <setuid> That owrks too
[04:43] <sarixe> coolio
[04:43] <setuid> But it'll crash X
[04:43] <setuid> So beware ;)
[04:43] <sarixe> okidokes, i'll make sure everything is closed but this
[04:44] <sarixe> man, firefox 3 rules though
[04:44] <sarixe> it's not close to ready yet, but it still rules
[04:45] <m11> ye , i especialy loves they removed home button :)
[04:45] <sarixe> eh? it's there for me
[04:45] <m11> from navigation panel
[04:45] <hackeron> hey, could someone please tell me how to forward port80 on ppp0 to port80 on <IP_ADDRESS> on eth0? -- currently, I'm doing this: http://rafb.net/p/dqCf6z26.html - but it's not working :( - What am I doing wrong?
[04:45] <sarixe> yeah, it's there for me
[04:45] <m11> left/right
[04:45] <sarixe> hm?
[04:45] <m11> i mean: back/fwd/stop/home ?
[04:46] <sarixe> yeah, it's there
[04:46] <m11> i have home on bottom bar , not in navigation menu
[04:46] <sarixe> back for refresh stop home
[04:46] <m11> hmm
[04:46] <m11> what version u have ?
[04:46] <sarixe> well then you can edit the menus
[04:46] <sarixe> 3.0b4
[04:46] <m11> same here
[04:46] <sarixe> you can move that home button around
[04:47] <m11> ah
[04:47] <m11> tnx :)
[04:47] <sarixe> :D
[04:48] <setuid> sarixe, any luck?
[04:48] <sarixe> erm, just finished, hold on
[04:48] <m11> no, cant move it
[04:48] <m11> it is only in bookmarks toolbar
[04:48] <sarixe> this is only dsl
[04:48] <sarixe> hm... weird
[04:49] <sarixe> right click a toolbar > customize?
[04:49] <m11> let me recheck
[04:49] <m11> nope
[04:49] <m11> nothing
[04:50] <m11> only in bookmarks toolbar
[04:50] <sarixe> weird
[04:50] <sarixe> setuid : installing
[04:50] <m11> with two gnome panels , it taking like 20% of my preciuos 15" desktop
[04:52] <sarixe> setuid : here goes
[04:52] <setuid> ;)
[04:52] <setuid> Edit -> Preferences
[04:53] <setuid> I crashed out 7 times in a row, testing it
[04:53] <sarixe> eh
[04:53] <m11> sarixe left the room
[04:53] <m11> :)
[04:53] <sarixe> it froze by itself before i could do anything
[04:53] <sarixe> compiz greyed it out
[04:53] <sarixe> force quit
[04:53] <sarixe> trying again
[04:53] <m11> setuid , could be ati drivers :)
[04:53] <setuid> m11, I don't use ATI
[04:54] <m11> ah , srys :)
[04:54] <setuid> And I tried vesa and nv, as well as the binary nvidia driver
[04:54] <setuid> All 3 crash out
[04:54] <m11> ouch :/
[04:54] <setuid> I'm thorough ;)
[04:54] <sarixe> yeah, got as far as Edit >
[04:54] <sarixe> then it greyed again
[04:54] <setuid> Oh weird
[04:55] <sarixe> and strangely, the Edit menu is on top of xchat now... :P
[04:55] <Dimitree> :) someone told me that 8.04 will work with intel GMA 3100 is there a way to check if that's true ?
[04:55] <m11> Dimitree: get live cd and test i think
[04:55] <Dimitree> for now i get wierd behavior like if a multy click on apply resolution settings the resolution doesn't change but the screen moves to the left a bit and when pressed apply again it returns to normal ..
[04:56] <Dimitree> ou i updated it over 7.10 :)
[04:56] <setuid> Ok, this is wildly OT, but it's hilarious: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/cas/622507528.html
[04:56] <Black_Magic> Erm?
[04:56] <Black_Magic> Is there a driveintopython Package for Hardy
[04:58] <Dimitree> also if i try to reconfigure xorg with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesnt listen to any commands :) meaning that if i chose to setup xorg it skips if i chose to autodetect keyboard or not it always choses to not autodetect keyboard
[04:58] <sarixe> setuid : genius on that craigslist
[04:59] <Dimitree> are these known issues ?
[05:00] <sarixe> well i ran that, and i noticed that it was rather skimpy compared to gutsy's
[05:00] <sarixe> doesn't even let me select the video driver
[05:00] <Dimitree> yep
[05:00] <sarixe> is that supposed to happen?
[05:00] <Dimitree> i guess not ... on 7.10 i was able to select Intel as GPU and then the amount of RAm it's suposed to use and then the Monitor type
[05:01] <sarixe> yeah
[05:01] <sarixe> none of that is in this one
[05:01] <m11> lol setuid , nice pic on the end ;)
[05:01] <sarixe> lulz
[05:03] <Dimitree> is this know issue sarixe  ? any idea :)
[05:03] <sarixe> i haven't a clue... just experienced it once
[05:04] <sarixe> the driver mananger thing took care of all the issue
[05:04] <sarixe> and nvidia settings took care of the finer details
[05:04] <Dimitree> what driver manager ?
[05:04] <Black_Magic> hmm How do i use the Drive Into Python Package?
[05:04] <sarixe> the restricted driver manager
[05:04] <m11> why does some packages being kept back with terminal apt-get upgrade command ?
[05:04] <sarixe> try using jockey-gtk in a terminal
[05:04] <sarixe> it should detect whether you have a gpu that can use a propietary driver
[05:04] <Dimitree> nothing in there :)
[05:05] <sarixe> hm
[05:05] <sarixe> what gpu?
[05:05] <Dimitree> Intel integrated Graphics Media Accelerator 3100
[05:05] <sarixe> oooooh
[05:05] <sarixe> man, i was expecting ati or nvidia
[05:05] <Dimitree> = )
[05:05] <sarixe> i don't even know how to do intels
[05:05] <Dimitree> i can't find any drivers for them :/
[05:08] <sarixe> hm, well do you have any intel drivers installed?
[05:09] <Dimitree> nope this was a fresh 7.10 install which got updated to 8.04 :)
[05:09] <sarixe> hm
[05:09] <Dimitree> i guess i found something http://intellinuxgraphics.org/install.html lol
[05:10] <sarixe> well that's for xfree86, it looks like
[05:11] <sarixe> you want something that works with x.org, or xorg
[05:11] <sarixe> however.
[05:11] <sarixe> it says: "3, Xorg 2D driver: xf86-video-intel;"
[05:12] <Dimitree> hmm what does 2D mean ? i want to tbe able to use Blender :)
[05:12] <sarixe> blender is 3d
[05:12] <sarixe> 3 dimensions: height, width, length
[05:13] <sarixe> 2d = 2 dimensions: height, length
[05:13] <setuid> 2D is like a drawing of a can of soda on paper. 3D is the can of soda.
[05:13] <sarixe> bah
[05:13] <Dimitree> yep i know that o-o
[05:13] <Dimitree> whats the meaning of a 2D driver ?
[05:13] <sarixe> right
[05:13] <m11> to play commodore games :)
[05:13] <Dimitree> hahahah
[05:13] <Dr_willis> that wouldbe the C64 Driver
[05:13] <sarixe> 2d includes window managers (besides compositing ones like compiz)
[05:13] <setuid> Dimitree, 3D drivers eat a lot more power
[05:14] <m11> 2D =c64 driver :D
[05:14] <sarixe> and use the graphics card instead of 100% processor
[05:14] <Dimitree> i need the drivers :/
[05:14] <sarixe> you said it's intel graphics media accelerator 3100?
[05:14] <Dimitree> yep motherboard DG31PR
[05:16] <Dimitree> btw do you get error 500 on http://www.blender.org/  ot it's just me ?
[05:17] <sarixe> try installing xserver-xorg-video-intel
[05:17] <Dimitree> okeiz
[05:18] <sarixe> oh hell, how is this possible?
[05:18] <sarixe> that package conflicts and replaces xserver-xorg-video-i810
[05:18] <sarixe> however, i810 is installed
[05:18] <sarixe> and so is intel
[05:19] <Dimitree> xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version
[05:19] <sarixe> hm
[05:19] <sarixe> well i'm thinking it's a simple change to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but i'm not sure what the driver module would be called...
[05:21] <Dimitree> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=207794
[05:21] <Dimitree> o-o reading lol
[05:23] <Dimitree> huh my xorg is nothing like that guys xorg :) it doesn't say intel anywhere neather monitor type and modes like it did on 7.10
[05:23] <Dimitree> it says simply "Configured Video Device"
[05:23] <sarixe> mm
[05:23] <sarixe> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494943
[05:24] <sarixe> try that... it's a bit old, but it should work, according to that poll up top
[05:24] <m11> wow :  Restarting network events dispatcher NetworkManagerDispatcher         [ OK ]
[05:24] <m11> i didnt know i have dispatcher in my system :)
[05:24] <sarixe> oh waaaaait
[05:24] <sarixe> wait wait
[05:24] <sarixe> don't do it
[05:25] <sarixe> i found the crucial part, i think
[05:25] <sarixe> ok
[05:25] <sarixe> go to a terminal
[05:25] <sarixe> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:25] <Dimitree> :)
[05:25] <Dimitree> ok
[05:25] <Dimitree> my xorg.conf is totally mixed up :/
[05:25] <sarixe> lol
[05:26] <sarixe> i'm looking for where it would be...
[05:26] <sarixe> ok
[05:26] <sarixe> where it says Section "Device"
[05:26] <Dimitree> yep ?
[05:26] <sarixe> in there, should be a line that begins with Driver
[05:26] <sarixe> change what's in the quotes, to "intel"
[05:27] <sarixe> then save, close, restart x
[05:27] <Dimitree> one sec i will paste it
[05:27] <Dimitree> Driver		"kbd" ?
[05:27] <sarixe> i'm not even sure if that's the 3d driver though... but it'll at least have you using a proper driver
[05:27] <sarixe> yeah that's the one
[05:28] <Dimitree> Section "Device"	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[05:28] <sarixe> right
[05:28] <Dimitree> Section "InputDevice"  	Driver		"kbd"
[05:28] <sarixe> oh no
[05:28] <Dimitree> ^^
[05:28] <sarixe> Section "Device", is there anything in there?
[05:29] <Dimitree> only what i pasted :)
[05:29] <Dimitree> told you its totaly screwed :/
[05:29] <Dimitree> and i'm unable to fix it with reconfigure xorg :)
[05:29] <sarixe> mm
[05:30] <sarixe> well then... under Section "Device", add a new line before EndSection:
[05:30] <sarixe> Driver "intel"
[05:30] <Dimitree> ok wish me luck rebooting :)
[05:30] <sarixe> that's the block of text that also has Identifier     "Configured Video Device"
[05:31] <sarixe> good luck
[05:31] <jester7> anyone here use amd64?
[05:31] <sarixe> nah, it's not worth it
[05:32] <sarixe> for me, anyway
[05:32] <mesilliac> I'm using amd64
[05:34] <Dimitree> no change :)
[05:34] <Dimitree> o well i guess ill just reinstall the thing from scrach after i get some sleep
[05:34] <sarixe> then why do you smile? :P
[05:34] <sarixe> alrighty
[05:35] <Dimitree> thanks for the help sarixe  :)
[05:35] <sarixe> no prob
[05:35] <sarixe> :D
[05:45] <jester7> mesilliac: do you ever have problems with webpages in firefox not drawing until you scroll the page?
[05:45] <sarixe> setuid : how were you able to denote an audiobook in amarok?
[05:45] <sarixe> ack
[05:46] <Lynoure> sarixe: denote?
[05:46] <mesilliac> jester7: no, I haven't seen that happen before
[05:46] <sarixe> Lynoure : well, in gtkpod's tag editor, you can tell it that a certain file is an audiobook
[05:47] <sarixe> and setuid claimed he could do that in amarok
[05:47] <Lynoure> sarixe: you can at least tag the genre to be Spoken, maybe there is ever Audiobook
[05:48] <Lynoure> I mostly listen to podcasts and not audiobooks now, haven't found a steady source for the latter. Or is there some Linux way to get e.g. Audible books and play them in Amarok?
[05:48] <sarixe> well the thing is that the ipod pays attention to that File Type tag, and when it's audiobook, it separates it from the rest of the music
[05:48] <sarixe> well i got it off an mp3 cd at the library
[05:48] <sarixe> it's really just a normal mp3 file
[05:48] <sarixe> but gtkpod can differentiate between regular Music, and Audiobooks
[05:49] <gluer> i cant even get my ipod to detect in hardy, how do i get it working?
[05:49] <sarixe> also in there, is Video, TV Show, Podcast, etc
[05:49] <sarixe> gluer: install gtkpod-aac
[05:49] <gluer> ok
[05:49] <tuntun> gutsy would ask to install nvidia drivers, but it seems hardy doesnt?
[05:49] <sarixe> or if you want to use the ipod in a different media player, like rhythmbox or amarok, just install libgpod3
[05:50] <sarixe> tuntun: System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[05:51] <evil-rhino> hello
[05:51] <Dr_willis> that hardware-drivers thing - dident isntall mynvidia drivers. I had to manyally install the nvidia-glx-new package.
[05:51] <evil-rhino>  i upgrade to hardy, which upgrade my firefox to ver. 3. all my application handlers for various content types disappeared. now firefox doesn't know what to do with .pdfs, .torrents, etc. any suggestions?
[05:51] <evil-rhino> s/upgrade/upgraded/g, dunno what happened to my verb conjugation.
[05:54] <tuntun> sarixe, yeah I know how to do it but why would they remove that prompt?
[05:54] <sarixe> i don't know... maybe it's a bug
[05:54] <sarixe> same happened here
[05:55] <HorizonX1> I'm running Hardy on my laptop with an NVidia video card, and my display keeps freezing, along with inputs; the computer's still running (I can tell because any music or movies that were playing still continue), the display just stops responding, and so do the inputs (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace does nothing) Any ideas?
[05:55] <tuntun> sarixe, who sould i be notifying?
[05:55] <sarixe> launchpad bugs, i suppose
[05:56] <DanaG> ℻℡☎☏✆
[05:56] <sarixe> O.o
[05:56] <sarixe> no fun
[05:56] <DanaG> Heh, I didn't know you could spell "FAX" with just one letter.
[05:56] <sarixe> neither me
[05:56] <DanaG> One character:  ℻
[05:57] <DanaG> gucharmap is fun to explore.
[05:57] <sarixe> hahaha
[05:57] <tuntun> it could get messy...
[05:57] <Black_Magic> anyone have problems with X freezing?
[05:58] <sarixe> none here, Black_Magic
[05:58] <Black_Magic> Well My screen freezes ALOT if i try and Upgrade...
[05:58] <Black_Magic> so i have to force reboot and continue...
[05:58] <Black_Magic> which sometimes messes up packages while installing..
[05:58] <Black_Magic> Update manager usualy uses like
[05:58] <Black_Magic> 100MB oF ram alone -.-
[05:58] <sarixe> O.o
[05:59] <tuntun> Black_Magic, how long did you wait before reseting it?
[06:00] <Black_Magic> about 30mins
[06:00] <Black_Magic> i couldnt move mouse do ctrl+alt+Backspace
[06:00] <Black_Magic> nothing
[06:00] <Black_Magic> not even stopping x :/
[06:00] <gluer> BM: I got that 2-3 times today as well
[06:01] <tuntun> Black_Magic, i thought you might have just needed to wait it out...
[06:01] <gluer> screen goes black and laptop stays on
[06:01] <Black_Magic> Acctually
[06:01] <Black_Magic> its stuck in the last state it was in
[06:02] <Black_Magic> it just stays with all windows up ect and i does nothing
[06:02] <gluer> happened as well, but became unstuck after about 5 mins
[06:03] <DanaG> Are you using compiz at the time?
[06:03] <gluer> yep
[06:03] <Black_Magic> Yea...
[06:03] <Black_Magic> it does it sometimes without :/
[06:03] <DanaG> I've been getting hard-lockups when under heavy GPU+HDD activity.
[06:04] <DanaG> Even under Windows, though!
[06:04] <sarixe> mebbe it's the hardware?
[06:04] <DanaG> Perhaps.
[06:05] <Black_Magic> Never got a hard lockup on Windows
[06:05] <hylinux> hi, anyone use thinkpad t60? how about your 3d effect?
[06:05] <Black_Magic> just having problems since Hardy with that
[06:05] <hylinux> it work success?
[06:05] <Black_Magic> i only have the effects at Normal Tho
[06:05] <hylinux> my graphics card is x1300
[06:05] <hylinux> ati serial.
[06:06] <Black_Magic> i dont get them when its Extra :/
[06:06] <Black_Magic> but windows do open slower when affects enabled
[06:06] <hylinux> I can't make 3d work success always.
[06:06] <DanaG> What GPU do you have lockups on?
[06:06] <gluer> nv geforce go 7600 for me
[06:06] <hylinux> GandaG: you talk with me? ati
[06:06] <DanaG> Either who is having hard lockups.
[06:07] <gluer> DanaG: yeh 3-4 lockups today
[06:08] <DanaG> It only happens when I'm running Azureus (or doing other disk-intensive things) while using compiz, for me.
[06:08] <DistroJockey> I also had a lockup while doing an upgrade today. Couldn't Ctrl+Alt+Backspace or go to TTY's. Left it for about 5mins then had to Alt+SysRq+S then U then B (ATI card here)
[06:09] <sarixe> DanaG : in my experience, azureus has never been very hdd intensive
[06:09] <DistroJockey> GUI apt-get upgrade of a running Hardy beta that is^
[06:10] <m1r> can someone help with usb wlan adapter droping on establishing conection ?
[06:10] <Black_Magic> lol Things like Update Manager is what causes mine
[06:11] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: yep, that's what I was doing (this is the first time it's happened for me though)
[06:12] <Black_Magic> it like lags real bad when is fetching the stuff
[06:12] <DanaG> I was reading from ntfs-3g to seed, and running first hash-checks.
[06:12] <Black_Magic> you know when you first open it and its searching for the new packages ect?
[06:12] <dbmoodb> s
[06:12] <dbmoodb> sorry -- my fault wrong window
[06:12] <Black_Magic> then it lags like hell when i startthe upgrade
[06:13] <Black_Magic> then it goes back to normal when it starts installing long as i dont re-open the window im fine till install..
[06:13] <dbmoodb> it normally does that -- (at least on my older computer)
[06:13] <dbmoodb> not the last part tho
[06:13] <dbmoodb> have you updated recently ?
[06:14] <Black_Magic> yep..
[06:15] <Black_Magic> yesturday...
[06:15] <Black_Magic> and 112 more today...
[06:15] <Black_Magic> brb switching routers
[06:19] <gluer> how do i mount my ipod?
[06:20] <sarixe> it should automatically mount
[06:20] <sarixe> if not, try mount /dev/sdb1
[06:21] <HorizonX1> ok
[06:21] <HorizonX1> Black_Magic, I'm having the same problems as you
[06:21] <sarixe> ok what?
[06:21] <gluer> sarixe: mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:21] <sarixe> oh
[06:21] <HorizonX1> and gluer, I have the same video card
[06:22] <sarixe> er... try mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/ipod
[06:22] <sarixe> or something similar
[06:22] <sarixe> you may have to mkdir /media/ipod
[06:23] <sarixe> and this all probably needs sudo in the front
[06:25] <keithclark> anyone know why evolution-data-server-2.22 would take over my computer's cpu?  It is using all of my processing power.....I've been at 100% for the last hour
[06:25] <sarixe> how do i get dbus or hal working for amarok?  it doesn't recognize my ipod automatically, and dbus/hal seems to be the problem
[06:26] <keithclark> Man, I can barely type.....this process has just taken over my computer.
[06:27] <sarixe> ouch
[06:29] <keithclark> Does anyone know what this process does?
[06:30] <DistroJockey> keithclark: "The data server, called "Evolution Data Server" is responsible for managing mail, calendar, addressbook, tasks and memo information."
[06:31] <clinton> Where/how do I install the codecs on AMD64 that include aac, xvid, etc?
[06:31] <keithclark> DistroJockey:  I use none of those.
[06:31] <farkewie> hi can anyone recomend software to turn my dvds in to video files?
[06:32] <tritium> clinton: the easiest way is to install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:32] <DistroJockey> keithclark: If you don't use Evolution, I would say it's safe to kill it
[06:32] <tritium> clinton: that will install several packages, including w64codecs
[06:32] <keithclark> I've never used Evolution.
[06:32] <clinton> tritium: w64?  and of course I was searching for w32.. old habits..
[06:33] <tritium> clinton: yes, for 64 bit
[06:33] <DistroJockey> keithclark: it and the data server are installed by default, and I guess the evolution data server runs at startup
[06:33] <clinton> tritium: I figured as much.  I have it going now, ty.
[06:33] <tritium> clinton: sure
[06:33] <keithclark> DistroJockey, well, this is not right....
[06:33] <keithclark> DistroJockey, I can barley type!
[06:34] <DistroJockey> keithclark: go to a Terminal and type:  sudo killall evolution
[06:34] <keithclark> Whew, process killed.
[06:34] <DistroJockey> :)
[06:34] <keithclark> Processor now at 2%
[06:34] <DistroJockey> much better :)
[06:35] <keithclark> Yes, they have work to do I see!
[06:35] <keithclark> Thank god this is a test machine!
[06:35] <keithclark> Everything else works wonderful though!
[06:35] <DistroJockey> as it sould be ;)
[06:35] <DistroJockey> should^
[06:36] <keithclark> DistroJockey, is there a way to not run Evolution by default?
[06:36] <keithclark> Can I remove it?
[06:37] <DistroJockey> just looking into that :)
[06:37] <keithclark> My computer was beginning to heat my house!
[06:37] <clinton> DistroJockey: do what I do to nano
[06:37] <clinton> DistroJockey: sudo aptitude remove nano && cd /usr/bin && sudo ln -s emacs nano
[06:38] <DistroJockey> clinton: I have nothing against nano, I just don't use it, or emacs for that matter :)
[06:41] <sarixe> &&?
[06:41] <sarixe> don't you mean ;
[06:41] <sarixe> brb, at any rate
[06:42] <keithclark> Yahoo headline:  Man Charges Bigfoot with Assault!!!!!  Only in America!
[06:42] <keithclark> Sorry, comedy relief!
[06:43] <DistroJockey> keithclark: I can't see where evolution stuff is getting loaded :(
[06:44] <keithclark> DistroJockey, hmmm, that is not good.
[06:44] <DistroJockey> keithclark: This guide is nice though:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[06:45] <keithclark> DistroJockey, holy cow, yes it is!
[06:45] <DistroJockey> :)
[06:46] <clinton> sarixe: nope I mean &&, it means execute the next command if and only if the previous one exits with no errors
[06:47] <clinton> oh, he's gone
[06:47] <keithclark> I wonder why it loaded then.......It happened about an hour ago and rebooting does not help
[06:47] <clinton> tritium: after installing w64codecs, I still don't seem to have divx or mp4, are those in a different package?
[06:48] <DistroJockey> keithclark: $ ps -e | grep evolution        5718 ?        00:00:00 evolution-alarm   5760 ?        00:00:00 evolution-excha
[06:49] <DistroJockey> keithclark: not run evolution
[06:49] <clinton> DistroJockey: uninstall it
[06:50] <clinton> DistroJockey: that's why I gave you the example with nano, I don't like nano, so I remove it and put something there to make everything else happy
[06:50] <DistroJockey> clinton: It's not really bothering me, but keithclark is having issues
[06:51] <DistroJockey> clinton: how would you modify your nano example to do that?
[06:51] <clinton>  while true ; do kill $(ps e | grep evolution | awk '{print $1}') ; sleep 1 ; done
[06:51] <clinton> keithclark: run that line to keep evolutin dead for the time being
[06:52] <DistroJockey> clinton: cool
[06:52] <sarixe> geez
[06:52] <clinton> while true ; do kill $(ps e | grep evolution | awk '{print $1}') 2>/dev/null ; sleep 1 ; done
[06:52] <sarixe> amarok is failing left and right
[06:52] <keithclark> clinton, got you
[06:52] <clinton> do that one so you don't get stupid errors
[06:52] <clinton> sarixe: nope I mean &&, it means execute the next command if and only if the previous one exits with no errors
[06:52] <sarixe> i can't manually or automatically connect to my ipod
[06:52] <keithclark> clinton DistroJockey, what about when I reboot?
[06:52] <sarixe> oh nice
[06:53] <clinton> keithclark: you'll have to redo the script -- keep in mind it is temporary
[06:53] <clinton> keithclark: is evolution something you use?
[06:53] <keithclark> clinton, got you....hmm...gotta love betas
[06:53] <keithclark> clinton, no, I do not use evolution
[06:53] <clinton> keithclark: what's preventing you from removing the package then?
[06:54] <keithclark> clinton, nothing.....sorry, I'm fairly new, what to remove?
[06:54] <clinton> keithclark: sudo aptitude remove evolution
[06:54] <sarixe> amarok won't automatically load the ipod, due to a dbus or hal thing, and it won't manually do it because it says it already has an ipod with that mount point/name, even though it doesn't
[06:54] <clinton> aka... devolve into an ameoba
[06:55] <keithclark> clinton, yeah, working on that....
[06:55] <clinton> keithclark: it should take 30 seconds, tops
[06:55] <clinton> sarixe: reboot?
[06:55] <sarixe> tried that
[06:55] <sarixe> same error
[06:55] <clinton> sarixe: kick it?
[06:55] <sarixe> errors, even
[06:55] <sarixe> eh, it's a laptop, i don't wanna try that
[06:56] <clinton> ah, drop it then
[06:56] <sarixe> hahaha
[06:56] <sarixe> no thanks :P
[06:56] <clinton> right
[06:56] <clinton> sarixe: what has google told you about this issue?
[06:56] <sarixe> erm, nothing useful
[06:57] <keithclark> clinton....okay, that was tied to a lot of stuff
[06:57] <clinton> keithclark: such as?
[06:58] <keithclark> clinton, open office, nautilus....
[06:58] <keithclark> yikes
[06:58] <clinton> wow
[06:58] <DistroJockey> The following packages will be REMOVED:    evolution evolution-exchange evolution-plugins
[06:58] <clinton> here it's tied to nothing of that importance
[06:59] <DistroJockey> is what I get when I sudo apt-get remove evolution
[06:59] <clinton> DistroJockey: that looks right to me
[06:59] <DistroJockey> nods
[06:59] <clinton> sarixe: have you tried aptitude purge user ?
[06:59] <sarixe> er, no
[06:59] <clinton> good, don't
[07:00] <clinton> you won't like the outcome
[07:00] <sarixe> heh
[07:00] <keithclark> No worries, let's try a reboot
[07:00] <keithclark> brb
[07:00] <clinton> keithclark: see ya soon
[07:00] <sarixe> i figured, doesn't sound to friendly
[07:00] <keithclark> clinton, hopefully!!!!
[07:00] <clinton> finally - I'm getting somewhere tying my ps3 to my pc
[07:00] <sarixe> with what, a rope? heh heh heh
[07:00] <DistroJockey> hehe
[07:00] <clinton> heh
[07:01] <clinton> sarixe: actually a tombstone
[07:01] <sarixe> interesting... didn't know a tombstone could also serve as a tying device
[07:01] <DistroJockey> I was going to say a boat ;)
[07:01] <clinton> sarixe: it does a good job keeping stuff down tho
[07:02] <sarixe> yep
[07:02] <sarixe> well, this amarok thing is just nuts
[07:02] <clinton> keithclark: you made it
[07:02]  * clinton cheers and drinks more beer
[07:02] <sarixe> it seems like i just need to enable dbus or hal, somehow
[07:02] <keithclark> Yes, I sure did!  In one piece!
[07:02] <clinton> sarixe: which do you have installed? one or both?
[07:02] <keithclark> Evolution data server still running!
[07:03] <sarixe> i don't know
[07:03] <sarixe> but i get this error:
[07:03] <sarixe> No new media devices were found. If you feel this is an error, ensure that the DBUS and HAL daemons are running and KDE was built with support for them. You can test this by running "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" in a Konsole window.
[07:03] <clinton> sarixe: sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[07:03] <DistroJockey> clinton: Cheers!
[07:03] <sarixe> trying
[07:03] <keithclark> WHAT IS THIS THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[07:03] <clinton> keithclark: that's what she said!
[07:03] <keithclark> hahhaahhaahahhahahaha
[07:03] <sarixe> restart was [ OK ]
[07:03] <sarixe> lol, nice
[07:04] <clinton> sarixe: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[07:04] <keithclark> Good news is that it takes up no cpu time........go figure!
[07:05] <keithclark> This process is as bad as windows messenger!
[07:05] <keithclark> A Klingon!
[07:05]  * Dr_willis looks about.
[07:05] <Dr_willis> Savage2 demo worked well under Hardy. :)
[07:05] <DistroJockey> keithclark: try:  sudo apt-get remove evolution-data-server
[07:06] <DistroJockey> The following packages will be REMOVED:   ekiga evolution evolution-data-server evolution-exchange evolution-plugins
[07:06] <keithclark> DistroJockey, like I said, this is an experimental machine!
[07:06] <DistroJockey> :)
[07:07] <DistroJockey> keithclark: playing with alpha's and beta's I would hope so :)
[07:07] <sarixe> ok, there we go
[07:07] <sarixe> clinton : that just restarted a whole slew of things
[07:07] <keithclark> DistroJockey....beta's and up
[07:07] <DistroJockey> nods :)
[07:07] <clinton> sarixe: did it help?
[07:07] <keithclark> ok, reboot?
[07:07] <tritium> clinton: sorry, I was /away earlier
[07:08] <sarixe> lemme see
[07:08] <DistroJockey> keithclark: yeah, may aswell :)
[07:08] <keithclark> here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:09] <sarixe> no, no help
[07:09] <clinton> tritium: np
[07:09] <clinton> tritium: did you happen to see the question?
[07:09] <wilburdude> Anyone aware of Intel Pro/1000 (e1000) issues in AMD64  ?
[07:09] <tritium> clinton: yes, in my log.  You can get dvd support with packages in the medibuntu repos
[07:09] <clinton> sarixe: if that doesn't work, and reboots don't work, there just may be a bug
[07:09] <sarixe> mm
[07:10] <wilburdude> e1000 module appears to load for me, and I get link light, but ethtool reports no link, and I can't connect via dhcp or static.  Any ideas?
[07:11] <DistroJockey> keithclark: wb!
[07:11] <keithclark> Woohoo!
[07:11] <keithclark> Ok, gone!!!!
[07:12] <DistroJockey> sweet :)
[07:12] <keithclark> Thank you, my new friends!
[07:12] <clinton> keithclark: awesome
[07:12] <DistroJockey> yw :)
[07:12] <keithclark> You are both kind to help me out.  I hope to pay back one day............
[07:13] <m1r> keithclark: buy those guys beer
[07:13] <DistroJockey> Anytime, I learn at the same time, so you did help :)
[07:13] <keithclark> If you were in Canada, I'd buy the beer, no problem at all.
[07:13] <DistroJockey> m1r: hehe
[07:13] <m1r> beer always helps ;)
[07:13] <DistroJockey> just got a carton, so I'm good for a little bit ;)
[07:14] <keithclark> mlr, I have no issues buying beer, It's just what Canadians do!
[07:14] <clinton> non-free-codecs
[07:14] <clinton> :)
[07:14] <m1r> gj keithclark ;)
[07:14] <tritium> clinton: that depends on w64codecs
[07:14] <clinton> so I noticed
[07:14] <quentusrex> Why does my system monitor only show on of my processor cores?
[07:14] <clinton> I had my hopes up for a moment...
[07:14] <keithclark> Other than this issue, 8.04 seems very stable!
[07:15] <tritium> !dvd > clinton
[07:15] <tritium> clinton: also /msg ubotu divx
[07:15] <sarixe> clinton : i think there may be a missing package somewhere... lemme check amarok's dependencies for some recommended packages
[07:16] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: does the following command show 2?:  less /proc/cpuinfo
[07:17] <clinton> tritium: nope... those odn't work either
[07:17] <tritium> clinton: in what way?
[07:17] <quentusrex> DistroJockey, no. only one....
[07:17] <Zvezdichko> hmmm, the bug I discovered yesterday in konqueror occurs only with specific sites and only when I click the button back..
[07:17] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: then it looks like you only have one
[07:17] <keithclark> Ok, one last little question here......and I'm sorry to tax you....is trackerd really necessary?  I've noticed it gobbling processor power as well.
[07:18] <clinton> tritium: I still don't have mpeg4 codecs that I can use with ffmpeg
[07:18] <justin007827> hello
[07:18] <quentusrex> DistroJockey, no. I have a dual core processor.
[07:18] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: what one?
[07:18] <quentusrex> Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz
[07:18] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: that would be a HT one I believe
[07:18] <sarixe> pentium d is dual core? i didn't know...
[07:19] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: HyperThreaded
[07:19] <wilburdude> That D is dual core.
[07:19] <sarixe> ah
[07:19] <DistroJockey> hmm
[07:19] <wilburdude> Thats the pentium d 805, dual core and x64
[07:19] <DistroJockey> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz
[07:19] <quentusrex> DistroJockey, It's dual core... Trust me. I just upgraded and now ubuntu doesn't realize I have the second core.
[07:19] <DistroJockey> that's mine
[07:19] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: yep, I believe you
[07:19] <clinton> quentusrex: which linux image are you using?
[07:19] <justin007827> installed H.H. on first gen. macbook pro. Things were fine. Tried to select an emerald theme. Emerald theme manager let me choose it, but never updated after reboot. Tried to install XGL. broke my GNOME setting daemon. Any clues as to what happened and how to get emerald to work??
[07:20] <quentusrex> Linux quentusrex-desktop 2.6.24-12-386 #1 Wed Mar 12 22:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU
[07:20] <wilburdude> So no one has any clues as to why I can't get network connection with my intel pro/1000 card?
[07:20] <loa> you need smp kernel.
[07:20] <clinton> quentusrex: wrong kernel
[07:20] <quentusrex> I don't see the smp kernel available in the apt-cache search.
[07:21] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: my  uname -a  = Linux myubuntu 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:21] <quentusrex> apt-cache search linux-image|grep 2.6.24
[07:21] <clinton> an Ubuntu? heh
[07:21] <Hobbsee> clinton: /
[07:21] <Hobbsee> ?
[07:21] <justin007827> hi room
[07:21] <keithclark> DistroJockey and clinton:  You guys are the best.  I thank you and have a good evening!
[07:21] <room> hi
[07:21] <clinton> Hobbsee: words that start with consonant sounding sounds should be prefixed with a, not an
[07:21] <DistroJockey> keithclark: cheers! You too :)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> clinton: u is a vowel, not a consonant.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> last time i went to school, anyway.
[07:22] <clinton> Hobbsee: the U is pronounced as you, right?  think of "a user", notice it isn't "an user"
[07:23] <sarixe> a youbuntu
[07:23] <sarixe> possibly
[07:23] <DistroJockey> Hobbsee:  I agree with clinton :)
[07:23] <justin007827> wow, its really snowing outside. If anyone would like to take the time to help figure out this bug, please let me know.
[07:23] <lance-> It's not pronounced as 'you'.
[07:23] <tritium> clinton: it's not pronounced as "youbuntu"
[07:24] <quentusrex> it's pronounced oobuntoo
[07:24] <clinton> Ubuntu, an African word from Zulu and Xhosa, is pronounced "oo-BOON-too".
[07:24] <quentusrex> yeah
[07:24] <quentusrex> ooboontoo
[07:24] <tritium> clinton: right
[07:24] <clinton> so we're all wrong trying to apply English grammar rules to an African word
[07:24] <quentusrex> guys, why wont' apt-get show me any smp kernel images?
[07:24] <clinton> quentusrex: maybe you need to expand your list of sources
[07:25] <oxigen> quentusrex: sms = generic
[07:25] <oxigen> *spm
[07:25] <oxigen> *smp :)
[07:25] <tritium> correct, oxigen
[07:25] <quentusrex> ok, so I need to boot into the generic kernel?
[07:25] <quentusrex> why doesn't the generic kernel say anything about smp?
[07:26] <clinton> oxigen: third times the charm
[07:26] <m1r> i need little help in conky setup please. how can i monitor my swap usage ? for home it says: home: ${fs_used /home}/${fs_size /home} , how can i make it monitor my swap usage ?
[07:26] <oxigen> it's still early here... before cafe
[07:26] <clinton> quentusrex: if you run top and hit 1 (one) a couple of times, what happens?
[07:26] <justin007827> is there an incompatibility between ati driver and xgl in H.H. maybe?
[07:26] <quentusrex> clinton, the second core is not recognized....
[07:26] <clinton> quentusrex: top says that?
[07:26] <clinton> odd
[07:26] <clinton> I didn't know top could do that
[07:27] <DistroJockey> ooo, nice tip clinton
[07:27] <clinton> DistroJockey: I've had fun with those tools.  I have a G15 keyboard that I made up some scripts for putting system information onto the screen.
[07:27] <DistroJockey> clinton: very nice :)
[07:28] <quentusrex> clinton, top only says there is one core....
[07:28] <quentusrex> cpu(0)
[07:28] <quentusrex> cpu(1) isn't there....
[07:28] <DanaG> htop ⋙ top
[07:28] <clinton> quentusrex: OK
[07:28] <clinton> quentusrex: reboot into the generic image
[07:29] <tritium> quentusrex: "uname -a" should indicate SMP
[07:29] <justin007827> is anyone not bussy?
[07:29] <clinton> justin007827: sure
[07:29] <justin007827> sorry, my problem is kind of trivial, but its pissing me off.
[07:29] <clinton> justin007827: well tell us
[07:30] <justin007827> cant get emerald theme manager to work. tried installing xgl and my gnome session got all messed up.
[07:30] <clinton> modprobe telepathy
[07:30] <clinton> FATAL: Module telepathy not found.
[07:30] <justin007827> uninstalled and it fixed it
[07:30] <justin007827> did the same thing when i upgraded from Gusty
[07:30] <justin007827> so I tried to start from scratch
[07:31] <clinton> justin007827: isntall compiz and it's various dependencies, also install fusion-icon, and ensure you have emerald and emerald-theme-manager or whatever its called installed to
[07:31] <clinton> justin007827: set up Gnome to autostart fusion-icon
[07:31] <justin007827> ihave all that, but i think fusion icon might be missing
[07:31] <clinton> justin007827: that's how I have things setup - and things work smoothly for me, no need for xgl
[07:31] <Adys> #compiz-fusion is very inactive right now, just pasting in here - is the bug that puts the top window decorations outside the screen a known/tracked one? on dual monitors only, i precise
[07:31] <justin007827> k, great
[07:32] <justin007827> i'll try it
[07:32] <clinton> justin007827: you should like it, it lets you switch between WM's quite smoothly
[07:32] <justin007827> great, thank you for helping me in my pointless persuit of eye candy hehe
[07:33] <clinton> justin007827: I actually prefer this pointless eye candy since the nv driver sucks horrifically for my video card
[07:33] <gluer> yeh if i didnt have eye cany i wouldnt be married ;-)
[07:34] <clinton> justin007827: If I don't use these "goodies" window events just aren't very smooth
[07:34] <justin007827> ok, i am using ati driver i think
[07:34] <justin007827> for macbook pro
[07:35] <justin007827> i tried the open sorce driver on Gusty, but it didnt work good
[07:35]  * clinton is sufficiently buzzed
[07:36] <DistroJockey> clinton: IRC newbie here. What command was that?
[07:36] <justin007827> got it al linstalled, how does fusion-button work?
[07:36]  * DanaG prefers not having emerald.
[07:36] <DistroJockey> Please stop teasing me! ;)
[07:36] <tritium> DistroJockey: /me blah blah
[07:37] <DistroJockey> cheers tritium :)
[07:37] <justin007827> nm, got it
[07:37] <clinton> tritium: thanks.. i couldn't figure out what DistroJockey was talking about?
[07:37] <clinton> err, no ? needed there
[07:37] <DistroJockey> hehe
[07:37] <DistroJockey> sorry clinton
[07:38] <tritium> clinton: ;)
[07:38] <teamcobra> hey all... this is a stupid question, but my friend has a hosed gnome config.... I've deleted .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd and .metacity , and it still loads his config... any ideas?
[07:38] <clinton> teamcobra: delete .config
[07:38] <justin007827> Clinton:  Thanks, that worked great. Didnt even have to restart session.
[07:38] <clinton> justin007827: np, enjoy!
[07:39] <justin007827> would that work on my desktop too. It has H.H. amd64
[07:39] <clinton> justin007827: yup, I'm running right now Hardy on amd64
[07:39] <justin007827> Sweet. Well, i'm gunna go smoke and watch it snow. I can;'t believe its snowing in seattle in spring, lol
[07:40] <justin007827> global warming is crazzy
[07:40] <clinton> justin007827: I even have hardy going on my machine at work.  Was great till I had to fire up vmware, oops
[07:40] <justin007827> its not working yet?
[07:40] <teamcobra> virtualbox FTW! :D
[07:40] <clinton> teamcobra: I wish.
[07:41] <clinton> teamcobra: as soon as I get time to swap things over to that I will
[07:41] <teamcobra> clinton: doing some heavy lifting, then?
[07:41] <justin007827> I havn't messed with virtualization yet, what can you do with it?
[07:41] <teamcobra> justin: play with other os's
[07:41] <clinton> teamcobra: yup
[07:41] <teamcobra> clinton: why not go with xen... or.... maybe vmware 3i when it gets a bit better
[07:42] <teamcobra> the idea behing 3i is very solid...... hopefully xen goes that route too
[07:42] <clinton> teamcobra: not my choice, it's a work machine
[07:42] <justin007827> thats what I thought.  Is it possible to virtualize gentoo in ubuntu?
[07:42] <DanaG> Virtualbox is free ($); part of it is even Free (source)
[07:42] <DanaG> .
[07:42] <clinton> justin007827: yup, I was just doing that yesterday here at home with virtualbox
[07:42] <justin007827> i would really like to try it, but gentoo is intimidating
[07:43] <DanaG> (I'm obsessive-compulsive about my own punctuation, but not about others'.)
[07:43] <clinton> justin007827: keep in mind that even if you're running on AMD64, virtualbox simulates 32bit
[07:43] <teamcobra> clinton: nice, .config had to go ;)
[07:43] <clinton> teamcobra: cool
[07:43] <justin007827> vmware is 64-bit
[07:43] <justin007827> ?
[07:43] <Lynoure> What's the main advantage of virtualbox over kvm?
[07:43] <teamcobra> just installed dsl at a buddy's, upgraded his laptop (we have 2 identical compaqs) to 8.04 :)
[07:44] <clinton> teamcobra: identical compaq's?  do you lspci's match up?
[07:44] <justin007827> lol
[07:44] <Zvezdichko> hmmm... as I read this, I'm looking for a good virtual machine that runs on Linux
[07:44] <teamcobra> Lynoure: the interface ;)
[07:44] <clinton> Zvezdichko: virtualbox
[07:44] <Zvezdichko> I mean, freeware
[07:44] <teamcobra> clinton: amazingly enough ;)
[07:44] <DanaG> That was one big thing for me, too.  VMWare's interface is bulky.  Way bulky.
[07:44] <clinton> teamcobra: wow, that's impressive coming from compaq, they must be from the same production run
[07:44] <Lynoure> teamcobra: some GUI, that is?
[07:45] <DanaG> VirtualBox has Seamless Mode, which is pretty nifty!
[07:45] <Zvezdichko> hmmm... rebooting, back here in a minute
[07:45] <teamcobra> clinton: yup ;) and I think they stopped making these laptops shortly after
[07:45] <Zvezdichko> going to try andlinux, bye
[07:45] <Zvezdichko> :)
[07:45] <teamcobra> but they're not bad, $579 each w 1gb ram and a gf6100 (had them since last summer)
[07:45] <justin007827> Clinton: is there any documentation that you would recomend fo building a virtual gentoo machine?
[07:45] <teamcobra> Justin: painkillers
[07:45] <justin007827> lmao
[07:45] <justin007827> yea
[07:45] <clinton> justin007827: for building gentoo itself or the virutalization?
[07:45] <teamcobra> and this is coming from a person that's used slack for 12 years ;)
[07:46]  * DanaG is a mild HP fanboy himself (though not anything like Apple fanboys)
[07:46] <justin007827> the virtualization. I have messed a little with gentoo already
[07:46] <clinton> justin007827: virtualbox is so painfully easy I can be drunk and use it
[07:46] <teamcobra> DanaG: good cheap hardware, terrible support (but who cares?)
[07:46] <DanaG> I try to limit myself to, at worst, annoying people by saying,  "Hey, look at this!  Hey, look at that!  Ooooh, look at this thing! ... and so on".
[07:47] <DanaG> I'm not the "OMG, they are $DIETY; they can do no wrong!" sorty.
[07:47] <justin007827> clinton: ok i'll check it. How bout vmware. A friend of mine suggested it. does it have any advantages ?
[07:47] <DanaG> sort.
[07:47] <clinton> DanaG: Are you one of my co-workers?
[07:47] <clinton> justin007827: it can be free or you can pay for a supported version
[07:47] <teamcobra> heh, everyone that's seen my laptop has gotten a custom hardy dvd... but the scary thing is, they _asked_ for it ;)
[07:47] <DanaG> I wouldn't know.   I think i'm about to start that. Any gentoo wisdom to pass on before I attempt it on a virtual machine?
[07:49] <clinton> justin007827: be patient
[07:49] <Dr_willis> very patient with gentoo
[07:50] <justin007827> ok. takes a few days right?
[07:50] <DanaG> Surprisingly, people don't often comment on my eye-candy or themes.
[07:50] <clinton> I was using Gentoo forever before this.. I accidentally fdisk'ed the wrong drive and my backup wasn't quite complete, so I decided to try something else
[07:50] <Dr_willis> install the base system. :) install the ssh server, ssh in,  cut/paste the rest of the install docs from some other machine.
[07:50] <DanaG> I usually have them set relatively tame.
[07:50] <gluer> check this out: http://www.ubuntux.org/ubuntu-microsoft-windows-seamless-integration
[07:50] <Dr_willis> There may be some  premade gentoo virtual machines on the vmware virtual machine pages.
[07:51] <teamcobra> heh, ubuntu was the only distro that got the quirks of these 2 laptops right ;)
[07:51] <DanaG> And my screen is frickin' dim, partly because it's old, and partly because it's crappy.
[07:51] <DistroJockey> DanaG: I like having my windows burst into flames when I close them :)
[07:51] <clinton> I woudln't mind going back to Gentoo, but the simple things I had to put hours into making them work or, well, *just working* TM here in Ubuntu
[07:51] <quentusrex> Does anyone here know a lot about gpg? What are the differences between DSA? and RSA?
[07:51] <DanaG> I use Dream on open and Sidekick on close.
[07:51] <DanaG> I use Lamp for minimize/maximize, and Vacuum for menus.
[07:51] <teamcobra> wow, as much as I hate windows, that setup is pretty in its own way ;)
[07:51] <Hobbsee> quentusrex: suggestion:  http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=dsa+rsa+difference&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[07:52] <DanaG> That last thing looks relatively spiffy.
[07:52] <justin007827> Clinton: i agrea, ubuntu is powerfull and easy, but i want to try gentoo. All packages are compiled from source, correct?
[07:52] <DistroJockey> DanaG: :) Not played with those much
[07:52] <Dr_willis> clinton,  ther were some gentoo-spinoffs that  did a lot of the work for ya. but i never did get them workign right.
[07:52] <teamcobra> justin: your machine compiles all packages as it installs them
[07:52] <clinton> justin007827: yes, everything is compiled from source except the very few bin packages (firefox, openoffice, etc)
[07:52] <justin007827> clinton: and the flags, do i need to select any?
[07:53] <Dr_willis> gentoo is all about the flags....
[07:53] <clinton> Dr_willis: yea,but once you get something installed as your primary os you dont' really want to try spinoffs
[07:53] <clinton> justin007827: um, -pipe is a good one, but mostly just go with the defaults for starters.  Don't become a ricer.
[07:53] <Dr_willis> clinton,  most of the spinoffs were just gentoo + a lot of precompiled bits. You could emerge/tweak as you wanted.
[07:53] <nalioth> !offtopic
[07:53] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:53] <clinton> Dr_willis: true, but I was enjoying learning the grunts and bits of how things worked
[07:53] <Dr_willis> If using vmare as a test bed.check out the vmware appliances page.
[07:54]  * DanaG uses this in his VM:  http://brewman.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=5498&libid=1
[07:54] <Dr_willis> I dident learn much from gentoo. :)
[07:54] <justin007827> ok
[07:54] <Dr_willis> other then how gentoo worked..  ubuntu lets me focus on the other bits.
[07:54] <DanaG> I use fullscreen, not seamless, because that nice blue in Windows, and my nice orange in Ubuntu, don't get along well with each other.
[07:55] <clinton> DanaG: so when I go to work wearing blue pants and an orange shirt I look hideous?
[07:55] <justin007827> Dr_willis: is there another os you think i might learn more from by trying to build a virtual machine on my ubuntu box?
[07:55] <Dr_willis> justin007827,  depends on what you want to learn.
[07:55] <DanaG> Not necessarily.
[07:55] <Dr_willis> learning how to cut/paste  obtouse commands from a install doc. isent learnng much. :)
[07:55] <clinton> DanaG: damn.. I was hoping it would be the case! hehe
[07:55] <DanaG> oh yeah, here's my orange theme (though screenshot has previous version of wallpaper):
[07:56] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[07:57] <clinton> DanaG: I run 4 virtual desktops, chats in one, email in another, web browsing in another, and random stuff in the last
[07:57] <justin007827> well, I should let you guys get back to H.H. chatter
[07:57] <justin007827> anks for all the info
[07:57] <justin007827> t*
[07:57] <clinton> justin007827: np
[07:58] <justin007827> ciao
[07:58] <clinton> DanaG: I also hide the system panel, alt-tab works good enough for me
[07:59] <clinton> brb
[07:59] <DanaG> I like the GTK theme I use.
[08:00] <DanaG> Oh, and another random note:  Next time I get a laptop, I am sooooooo going to get a case skin with the Heron image.
[08:00] <Arelis> Is Hardy gonna be delayed past 24 april, to boost the quality?
[08:00] <quentusrex> Why won't gpg let me generate an RSA key?
[08:01] <quentusrex> I want to be able to encrypt my e-mails as well as sign them...
[08:01] <DistroJockey> Arelis: I doubt it.
[08:01] <Arelis> Also, does it have a new theme? (I searched google, but got mixed results, (i searched about a week ago, and today), saying that it didn't have a new theme, but i saw the new wallpaper and colors on the hardy beta screenshots.)
[08:02] <Arelis> DistroJockey: dapper got delayed.
[08:02] <DistroJockey> Arelis: by how long?
[08:02] <Arelis> hmm... i think it was about 1 week, or a month
[08:02] <vinayy1> I upgraded from gutsy to hardy, and boot is pretty slow..
[08:03] <tritium> DistroJockey: until June 1
[08:03] <vinayy1> in bootchart i see a pause of almost 30 seconds in between.
[08:03] <vinayy1> is this a known issue?