[17:16] <ugandu> Altin, arvind_khadri mumbai
[17:17] <ugandu> Altin, how come u know?
[17:17] <Altin> ugandu: I'm from delhi. I know becoz I stay in US and Europe
[17:18] <ugandu> Altin, arvind_khadri in india they should name ubuntu my chat id.. "ugandu"... then it will become popular!!
[17:18] <arvind_khadri> Altin, my friends know, and lots of other people know.Here lots of companies work on it.Ok rather i would say that they work GNU/linux
[17:18] <charlie-tca> !offtopic
[17:18] <arvind_khadri> charlie-tca, yeah, i want to move it there :)
[17:18] <MichaelKohler> Dr_Willis: update/upgrade didn't help
[17:18] <charlie-tca> Then you should say so.
[17:19] <MichaelKohler> Dr_Willis: will search for bugreports now
[17:19] <Altin> arvind_khadri: I know in India Redhat is popular linux
[17:19] <ugandu> Altin, arvind_khadri  i saw a video on youtube, compiz vs aero.. it made me switch to ubuntu..can u beleive it .. i have windows 7 ultimate full.. yet i choose to use ubuntu.. n my friends here dont even know abt it.. for them windows 7 is god
[17:19] <charlie-tca> discussion about India move to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:20] <arvind_khadri> Altin, ugandu please lets move this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:21] <LordKow> ugandu: with regards to windows, windows 7 is actually a fairly nice O/S by Microsoft standards. however it doesnt get halfway to ubuntu's awesomeness :)
[17:22] <ugandu> LordKow, Altin arvind_khadri is the hybernate fixed in ubuntu?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> ugandu: appears to work for some systems
[17:22] <LordKow> hibernate is very hardware-dependent
[17:23] <ugandu> charlie-tca, what happens for those that it doesnt work.. i havent tried hybernating for fear of some screw-up
[17:23] <charlie-tca> file a new bug, specific to the hardware
[17:24] <thiebaude> charlie-tca, thanks for excepting bug 552316
[17:25] <charlie-tca> you are welcome. I just try to do what I can
[17:25] <agronholm> accepting?
[17:25] <thiebaude> ok
[17:25] <charlie-tca> triaging
[17:25] <kwtm> Hi.  I installed Kubuntu+1 beta-2 as dual-boot but did not let it install grub for fear it might bork my working system, too.  When I upgrade to the official release, is there a way to get it to install grub, too?  I understand that Kubuntu+1 uses Grub2, whereas my Hardy installation uses original Grub.
[17:25] <charlie-tca> It will keep the legacy grub you are using.
[17:26] <LordKow> kwtm: ubuntu installs grub2 by default
[17:26] <charlie-tca> You would have to upgrade the grub manually
[17:26] <charlie-tca> !grub2
[17:27] <charlie-tca> LordKow: on upgrade from hardy, grub2 does not install
[17:27] <LordKow> interesting, they must have had too many issues with the upgrade script so they dropped it for jaunty
[17:28] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:28] <kwtm> Hi.  Um, thanks for the info.  Trying to sort out which of this info is new to me.  LordKow: yes, I know Ubuntu installs grub2 by default, hence my question.  charlie-tca: yes, I know I have to upgrade grub manually.  Is there a Ubuntu package for this, or is it outside Ubuntu's purview because it's not really part of the OS?
[17:28] <kwtm> Note that I am using Hardy (as I mentioned) so ubottu confirms that I am not using grub2.
[17:28] <LordKow> kwtm: look at the wiki
[17:28] <charlie-tca> There is a wiki page, which helps some
[17:29] <charlie-tca> !grub | kwtm
[17:29] <ugandu> when i updated n upgraded.. then rebooted i got a sky blue screen with DEBian written while loading the kernel instead of the regular black screen..is this normal??
[17:29] <kwtm> LordKow: Okay, thanks for the advice.  Any particular part of the wiki?  All I saw was that if I *upgrade* to Lucid, it won't update grub.
[17:29] <LordKow> the section written for 9.04 will work for lucid.
[17:29] <LordKow> basically, it will keep grub-legacy until you run upgrade-from-grub-legacy
[17:29] <kwtm> LordKow: However, it does not say what will happen if I install a dual booting Lucid into a new partition (from DVD).
[17:30] <LordKow> kwtm: if it detects grub then it will not install grub2
[17:30] <ugandu> LordKow, how to check my grub version? i upgraded from karmic to lucid
[17:30] <charlie-tca> ugandu: what distibution of lucid?
[17:30] <kwtm> LordKow: Ahh, I see!  So even if I install from DVD, it will leave grub alone!  This is new info that was not apparent in the wiki.  Thank you.
[17:30] <LordKow> ugandu: look at the boot menu i believe the grub version is listed somewhere on it
[17:31] <kwtm> charlie-tca: Looks like you're saying there's an actual .deb package for grub, and that it will install grub even though it's on the MBR and not really on Ubuntu's section of the hard drive.,
[17:31] <ugandu> LordKow, did u get a sky blue debian screen on boot menu?
[17:31] <LordKow> ugandu: not since i had my grub-legacy theme
[17:31] <charlie-tca> There is a package for grub2, yes. You can install it to replace grub legacy that is in hardy
[17:32] <MichaelKohler> bug 542150 says it has been fixed. is this verified?
[17:32] <kwtm> Okay, then I have a question: I installed Kubuntu+1 but did not let it update grub.  I wanted to update it manually.  (I'm running 8.04 right now.)  So right now the only entry in grub to boot into Kubuntu+1 is what I manually entered.
[17:32] <kwtm> Is there a way to say, "Okay, go ahead and install an entry in grub so I can boot into Kubuntu+1, but don't upgrade grub to grub2, just keep it grub1 and install an entry"?
[17:32] <LordKow> kwtm: after you install grub2 there is a script called "update-grub" which searches your hard drives for o/s' every time you run that script
[17:32] <charlie-tca> correct, that is the grub legacy package
[17:32] <ugandu> LordKow, is grub2 default in karmic?
[17:33] <dm_> Is anyone familiar with the FGLRX issue in lucid?
[17:33] <knittl> hi
[17:33] <kwtm> LordKow: The point is that I don't want to upgrade to grub 2 until the official release.
[17:33] <charlie-tca> kwtm, you can't force it to add the entries. I have tried
[17:33] <knittl> my apache does not start. syntax error on line 1 of etc/apache2/mods-enabled/reqtimeout.load
[17:33] <kwtm> Do you guys think grub2 is safe to use?  I really really really cannot risk borking my currently running system.
[17:33] <charlie-tca> ugandu: yes
[17:33] <kwtm> Also, are the improvements in grub2 worth upgrading?
[17:33] <charlie-tca> dm_: what issue?
[17:33] <knittl> kwtm: has run fine for months here
[17:33] <LordKow> kwtm: grub2 is as safe as grub-legacy
[17:34] <LordKow> kwtm: from an end-user standpoint, grub2=grub-legacy
[17:34] <mc44> kwtm: if you can't risk borking your system, you really, really shouldn't be using pre-release installs ;p
[17:34] <charlie-tca> kwtm: it depends on your setup. grub 2 has issues with raid yet
[17:34] <kwtm> LordKow: Hmm, one more thing I just thought of.  If I'm dualbooting into Hardy and Lucid, and I use Lucid to upgrade grub to grub2, then when I "apt-get update/upgrade" Hardy, won't that leave it in the lurch since Hardy doesn't use grub2?
[17:35] <dm_> charlie-tca: Well it is failing to install fglrx, and therefore i cannot run gnome shell as planned to test with this round of the testing phase. ill pastebin the error
[17:35] <kwtm> mc44: That's why I'm dual-booting.  Do you think that even dualbooting (and using legacy grub) is too risky?  I can remove my installation.
[17:35] <LordKow> kwtm: yea there might be a problem there...
[17:35] <mrenouf> dajhorn: sorry for late reply... but not, older kernel does the same thing (I had -19 and -20 today, in addition to a 2.6.31 left over from before the upgrade)
[17:35] <dm_> charlie-tca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/413748/
[17:35] <kwtm> LordKow: Can I use the update-grub from Hardy to let it detect the Lucid installation?
[17:36] <LordKow> kwtm: you can try, but backup your grub config just in case you lose the lucid entry
[17:36] <charlie-tca> kwtm: no, it does not work
[17:36] <kwtm> If update-grub just checks for other partitions with /boot/vmlinuz or something, it shoudl wrok...
[17:37] <LordKow> in theory, hardy's grub should be able to detect lucid.
[17:37] <kwtm> LordKow: <laugh> there *is* no Lucid entry except what I added manually (which I haven't even tested yet.  I haven't booted up into a working Lucid system yet.)
[17:37] <LordKow> but in the end, generally its a good idea to use the newest operating system's boot loader.
[17:37] <kwtm> charlie-tca: Oh, darn.  So Lucid is too advanced for Hardy. :(
[17:37] <LordKow> unless that newest operating system is by Microsoft. :)
[17:38] <charlie-tca> no, grub legacy is too old to detect the new installations
[17:38] <kwtm> LordKow: Well, officially Lucid is not yet the "newest operating system" until Apr 29, but I'll be travelling (and hoping to show off KDE4 to the family I'll be visiting)
[17:38] <nemo> If I disable or uninstall Ubuntu Firefox Modifications will it quit switching my search to Yahoo! every time I restart Firefox?
[17:38] <LordKow> kwtm: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html#mozTocId16468
[17:38] <nemo> 'cause that is getting really really annoying
[17:38] <LordKow> "Dual boot: two operating systems with GRUB legacy & GRUB 2 mixp; GRUB1"
[17:39] <kwtm> Okay, I guess I'll add the Lucid entry manually for now, then switch to grub2 when I figure out how to migrate to KDE4.
[17:39] <LordKow> i like that idea
[17:40] <kwtm> Oh, advanced question for LordKow and charlie-tca: I see that /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/initrd.img are symlinks to the real thing.  Can I just put these filenames in /boot/grub/menu.lst and it will always boot the newest kernel?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> dm_: sometimes 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' helps with that to allow the install to work. but if you are doing the video testing, you should report it as a bug first
[17:41] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Pastebin your /etc/fstab file.  You may need to start the computer with the Live CD-ROM.
[17:41] <LordKow> kwtm: yes.
[17:41] <LordKow> the last known problem with grub legacy and symlinks was reiserfs back in 2001 i believe :P
[17:42] <kwtm> LordKow: Thanks.  Am reading the dedoimedo.com entry right now.  Interesting.
[17:42] <dm_> charlie-tca: tried that already, and there is a bug report, but I was wondering if there was a work around, as I cant install anything, because apt-get will not allow me to get past this fglrx installation error (keeps asking me to -f install)
[17:42] <mrenouf> dajhorn: http://pastebin.com/JNbsujLU
[17:42] <nemo> hum. I guess I have to manually fix all of these things in about:config
[17:42] <nemo> I hope it doesn't reset it on me.
[17:42] <nemo> what a pain
[17:42] <mrenouf> dajhorn: I commented out the UUID attempting to fix, but no effect
[17:42] <LordKow> man
[17:42] <charlie-tca> dm_: no more ideas here
[17:43] <LordKow> i get goosebumps after i submit a bug that ends up being critical :)
[17:43] <LordKow> luckily, its an easy fix but man if it wasnt that would be a lucid stopper
[17:43] <nemo> also screws up mail handler :(
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> Theme is Ugly (Critical, confirmed)
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:43] <LordKow> bug 562370
[17:43] <charlie-tca> nemo: normal updates have switched mine back to google
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> Yep - Default earch engine is back to Google.
[17:44] <nemo> charlie-tca: oh?
[17:44] <nemo> cool
[17:44] <LordKow> oh yea, be weary if you have apache2 installed on lucid. i would hope noone is using lucid in a production server environment right now :P
[17:44] <nemo> I'm running a set of updates now.
[17:44] <charlie-tca> LordKow: I always think it was really good I submitted that bug, since it is critical
[17:44] <nemo> I was having issues with updating that was probably my fault for trying to switch to Evolution 2.30 to get semi-functioning MAPI
[17:44] <LordKow> charlie-tca: if it wasnt me someone else was bound to. it affects all users with apache2 installed.
[17:44] <dajhorn> mrenouf: That fstab looks okay.  I don't see anything there that would confuse mountall.
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> The issue you may find is that once the user gets their default settings/configs made.. they might not see those sort of changes. Unless you make a new user that gets the new defaults
[17:44] <nemo> well. here's hoping...
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but not everybody is willing to submit them
[17:45] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Did you change any of the /etc/init/mountall-* files?  Are they defaults?
[17:47] <marienz> can someone remind me what kernel commandline parameter or other mechanism I have to use to get lucid to not start X?
[17:47] <marienz> at least I'm assuming I'm only losing my monitor output when it switches to X
[17:48] <dm_> charlie-tca: ok, another question then, how do I prevent apt-get from trying to install this broken package? I cant install anything else, even dependencies for the open source driver to install manually
[17:48] <dm_> charlie-tca: It just keeps giving me use apt-get -f install.... well i cant because the PACKAGE IS BROKEN
[17:48] <dm_> an endless loop of lunacy.
[17:48] <marienz> "nosplash"?
[17:49] <h00k> I'm debating on if I should sacrafice compiz effects of using the nvidia driver for the metacity compositing of nouveau.
[17:49] <marienz> this is weird, I'm trying to use "recovery mode", which passes "single", and still fail
[17:49] <kwtm> Okay, am going to reboot now.  Hopefully Lucid comes up!
[17:50] <almoxarife> can someone else try to use the ping option on 'network tools gui', mine crashes if I click on it, every time
[17:51] <nemo> almoxarife: crashed for me too
[17:51] <nemo> interesting
[17:51]  * nemo pulls a bt
[17:51] <Varth> The only icon in my notification area is the network icon. No volume, battery, etc. What can I do to fix this.
[17:52] <LordKow> almoxarife: works for me...
[17:52] <almoxarife> nemo: thks
[17:52] <almoxarife> LordKow: you up to date?
[17:52] <LordKow> i think so, as of 2 hours ago... lemme update again
[17:52] <almoxarife> maybe I am not
[17:53] <nemo> Varth: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[17:53] <nemo> 0x00007fffeed9d51f in ?? () from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libmurrine.so
[17:53] <nemo> #2  0x000000000040d86c in on_ping_graph_expose ()
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanels
[17:53] <LordKow> there are some theme updates being sent out today too
[17:53] <nemo> er
[17:53] <nemo> that should have gone to almoxarife
[17:54] <charlie-tca> dm_: you tried running 'sudo apt-get -f install' without any package on the end?
[17:54] <mrenouf> dajhorn: should be stock as far as I know.
[17:54] <nemo> almoxarife: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libmurrine.so, on_ping_graph_expose g_closure_invoke, g_signal_emit_valist, g_signal_emit, gtk_main_do_event, gdk_window_process_all_updates etc
[17:54] <almoxarife> segfault at 38 ip 00f5858e sp bfb645c0 error 4 in libmurrine.so[f47000+26000]
[17:54] <nemo> well. that's a common element :)
[17:55] <marienz> which program was that?
[17:55] <LordKow> nemo, almoxarife: still works for me after updates... try changing themes
[17:55] <almoxarife> murrine? the theme?
[17:55] <LordKow> i use new wave which is not the lucid default, correct?
[17:55] <nemo> I'm using DarkRoom
[17:55] <marienz> iirc new wave is pixmap, not murrine, so yeah
[17:56] <almoxarife> nemo: me too, dark room
[17:56] <marienz> which app is "network tools gui"?
[17:56] <nemo> gnome-nettool
[17:56] <marienz> ty
[17:56] <marienz> reproduced
[17:57] <LordKow> my guess is that it is a gnome-nettool bug but it could be a theme bug.
[17:57] <LordKow> if gnome-nettool, check upstream on the gnome bugtracker first....
[17:57] <marienz> debugging a little
[17:58] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Your hang may be happening after mountall, like plymouth.  Are you able to boot into single user mode?
[17:58] <nemo> ahhhh. back to google
[17:58] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Do you get the Ubuntu logo-and-dots before the boot hangs?
[17:58] <marienz> lots of nulls in there
[17:58] <marienz> that is: I don't think it's the theme
[17:59] <mrenouf> dajhorn: recovery option results in the same problem. No, no startup logo, maybe plymouth is missing/corrupted?
[17:59] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+bug/548952
[17:59] <mrenouf> dajhorn: text mode, blinking cursor
[17:59] <nemo> marienz: ^^^ they blame the theme engine
[18:00] <nemo> marienz: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=615142 reports it as fixed.
[18:00] <nemo> marienz: so I guess Lucid should pull that into their murrine
[18:01] <dajhorn> mrenouf: It is safe to disable or remove plymouth.  Try it.  A video mode change at boot time can hide an error message.
[18:01] <marienz> and unfortunately they don't bother to mention the git commit fixing it
[18:01] <LordKow> bug 548952 launchpad bug
[18:01] <marienz> but I can probably find it from here
[18:02] <LordKow> yea, that fix should be included before RC
[18:02] <LordKow> otherwise it will be floating until the first maint. release
[18:02] <mrenouf> dajhorn: mountall depends on plymouth ?!
[18:02] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Hmm.  Really?
[18:03] <LordKow> marienz: bug 549281
[18:03] <marienz> yeah
[18:04] <marienz> LordKow, nemo: from the looks of it it needs the most recent 3 or so commits from Andrea mentioned on http://git.gnome.org/browse/murrine/ ("Fix gtk_paint_layout with widget == NULL" and followups)
[18:04] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Right.  Yuck.  Disable it by renaming /etc/init/plymouth-splash.conf
[18:04] <LordKow> marienz: apparently, the fix is being tested
[18:05] <marienz> also, I really need to fix my laptop's video
[18:05] <marienz> does someone know off the top of their head how I can stop the boot process from switching out of vga text mode? That is: no plymouth, no X.
[18:06] <mrenouf> dajhorn: ugh, no change. disk activity for a bit, then nothing
[18:06] <marienz> ah, break=blah sounds promising
[18:06] <nemo> marienz: text
[18:06] <dajhorn> dajhorn: Do you know how to boot with init=/bin/bash ?
[18:06] <nemo> marienz: (boot param)
[18:07] <nemo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Text%20Mode
[18:07] <mrenouf> dajhorn: Alt-SysRq+K gives "General error mounting filesystems.", so I know it's dying on mountall
[18:07] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Okay.  Did you ever have a swap partition in the fstab?  Are any filesystems dirty?
[18:07] <marienz> nemo: insufficient
[18:08] <mrenouf> dajhorn: yes. I think swap is in there... bad?
[18:08] <nemo> marienz: huh. pretty sure I've used that before. granted, not in lucid
[18:08] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Maybe.  You've got a tough problem, so you need to start eliminating potential problems.
[18:08] <nemo> marienz: oh. wait. you don't want graphical boot at all
[18:08] <nemo> probably need some of the other vga options too then
[18:08] <nemo> the ones that control framebuffer and such
[18:08] <marienz> nemo: it's entirely possible it does what that page describes (stop gdm from running) but I'm actually losing graphics when the kernel switches to vesafb or the like
[18:09] <nemo> right
[18:09] <mrenouf> dajhorn: whats the bootparam to raise kernel log verbosity?
[18:09] <marienz> nemo: I'm going to try break=init
[18:09] <nemo> check the options just above it
[18:09] <marienz> nemo: I already tried nosplash
[18:09] <dajhorn> marienz: The console-tools package may be poling a video mode into the console, particularly a font. Look at the /etc/console-tools/config file.
[18:09] <mrenouf> dajhorn: hmm, actually just commented out swap partition from fstab and it booted ok
[18:09] <marienz> dajhorn: I am trying to get to the point where I can once again conveniently look at files :)
[18:10] <nemo> marienz: framebuffer=false
[18:10] <nemo> marienz: from a little farther down the page
[18:10] <nemo> hm
[18:10] <marienz> dajhorn: normally I'd use ssh, but this laptop doesn't really have a wired interface, and I have to log in for the (network-manager-powered) wireless interface to come up
[18:10] <nemo> says installer option though :(
[18:10] <nemo> odd. I thought this was normally pretty easy to disable
[18:11] <marienz> nemo: argh, *now* you tell me
[18:11] <billy2007> why does my screen keep changing ?? i downlloaded ubuntu 10.04 sometimes when i log on i have 2 worktops next time 4?????
[18:11] <marienz> previously I was logging in through gdm blindly, but I suspect gdm stopped coming up because of some recent changes I made.
[18:11] <Idlehead> can someone tell me why ndiswrapper requires a password for my keychain on each start of ubuntu?
[18:11] <SandGorgon> installed 2.6.34 kernel - suspend/resume worked brilliantly... but I didnt see even my ethernet interfaces. So back to 2.6.32
[18:12] <dajhorn> mrenouf: If mountall is hanging on /dev/sda2, then perhaps running `mkswap` on it could be a fix.
[18:12] <cozziemoto> hey guys...getting  Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)  any issues with dpkg  ?
[18:12] <billy2007> HELTER SKELTER
[18:12] <dm_> jrib http://paste.ubuntu.com/413765/
[18:13] <mrenouf> dajhorn: but running mountall after breaking into the rc script makes things complete and the system comes up. With swap commented out of fstab, swap is still activated properly as well.
[18:13] <mrenouf> dajhorn: is swap partition in /etc/fstab on a stock system?
[18:14] <mrenouf> dajhorn: I think it's obsolete, maybe used to be harmless, but now breaks things possibly?
[18:14] <charlie-tca> dm_: instead of remove at that point, run sudo apt-get -f install
[18:14] <jrib> dm_: what's the bug number?
[18:14] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Dunno.  I don't have clean Lucid system handy.  Perhaps somebody else can answer.
[18:14] <jrib> charlie-tca: he does that later :)
[18:14] <dm_> jrib 546917
[18:15] <mrenouf> dajhorn: this system has been upgraded since hardy. another box here is a fresh karmic install and has no swap in fstab
[18:15] <marienz> break=init is a little early. framebuffer=false does not work.
[18:15] <marienz> I think I need to stop both gdm and any fb module from getting loaded
[18:15] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Hardy?   Do you have anything in the /etc/rc.local file?
[18:15] <jrib> dm_: that's not the same bug, is it?
[18:15] <dm_> jrib i tried the work around that was posted first, and it removes the second divert, but i have to remove all the fglrx packages before it will allow me to do the first removal of the diversion, and i cant remove those packages with fglrx failing to uninstall
[18:16] <marienz> this'd be much easier if I knew *which* fb module it's loading
[18:16] <marienz> argh, lemme find some other bootable media
[18:16] <jrib> dm_: your issue is "trying to overwrite '/etc/ati/signature', which is also in package xorg-driver-fglrx 2:8.723.1-0ubuntu1
[18:16] <dm_> humm
[18:16] <mrenouf> dajhorn: actually, take that back, my other system does have swap there. Hmmm.
[18:16] <jrib> dm_: 559587
[18:17] <jrib> ubottu: bug 559587
[18:17] <nemo> say. does anyone else find the new boot splash rather unattractive?
[18:17] <nemo> kinda just sits there, and the colours look like they've been flattened
[18:17] <cozziemoto> nemo,  the white ubuntu plymouth theme?
[18:17] <nemo> like someone expects me to have a higher resolution than I have
[18:17] <dajhorn> mrenouf: If you are correct in saying that mountall is working properly, then you need to check the things that could start before mountall and hang.  There isn't much:  modules, hostname, udev.
[18:17] <nemo> cozziemoto: hmmm. maybe I changed it at some point - I see this purple thing
[18:18] <nemo> w/ 4 dots below the logo
[18:18] <dm_> jrib dag, i must of misclicked, my apologies
[18:18] <cozziemoto> nemo,  oh!  mm
[18:18]  * nemo checks his boot splashes
[18:18] <dm_> jrib guess there is no work around atm :(*
[18:18] <cozziemoto> nemo,   I created a different imaage for that if you want it  it is the ubuntu-logo plymouth theme
[18:18]  * dm_ takes a hammer to his laptop
[18:18] <mrenouf> dajhorn: I think it's this /proc/bus/usb line.
[18:18] <nemo> cozziemoto: ah. I don't care too much. it just looked a little unprofessional is all
[18:18] <nemo> so I thought I'd mention
[18:18] <nemo> but sure. I'll give yours a shot
[18:19] <nemo> right now prior to release is when I'll be doing the most rebooting
[18:19] <cozziemoto> nemo,  yes it does that's why i changed it :)
[18:19] <dajhorn> mrenouf: I don't have the /proc/bus/usb line on any of my nearby computers.  The devgid and and devmode is strange.
[18:19] <cozziemoto> nemo,  do you want all white or white ubuntu with coloured logo?
[18:19] <marienz> argh why is everything terrible
[18:19] <nemo> cozziemoto: let's try coloured logo
[18:19] <jrib> dm_: you can force dpkg to overwrite the file anyway if you want, that's your decision though
[18:19] <mrenouf> dajhorn: it's kind of intermittent actually it seems. It's definately mountall and something in my fstab, Yes... so I'll take that out and it should help things
[18:19] <nemo> cozziemoto: seems best way to reveal possible issues at whatever resolution I have
[18:20] <nemo> s/resolution/colour depth/
[18:20] <dm_> jrib gotta leap first right? How can I do so?
[18:20] <marienz> this &^#*(^ laptop won't boot off usb :(
[18:20] <jrib> dm_: the right answer here is "wait for the package to be fixed" or "fix the package"
[18:20] <dm_> jrib aye, but I live dangerously. :P
[18:20] <cozziemoto> nemo,   with coloured logo    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/ubuntu_logo.png     with white logo    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/Ubuntu_logo.svg
[18:20] <jrib> dm_: dpkg has --force-overwrite
[18:20] <nemo> cozziemoto: drop box is blocked over here
[18:20]  * nemo sighs and proxies
[18:21] <cozziemoto> nemo,  ok hold on
[18:21] <nemo> cozziemoto: you don't have a webserver running at home? :)
[18:21] <nemo> 'sok. I relayed it
[18:22] <nemo> cozziemoto: so I just replace /lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/ubuntu_logo.png right?
[18:22] <dm_> jrib pardon my dpkg nubery, sudo dpkg-configure --force-overwrite
[18:22] <cozziemoto> nemo, http://www.speedyshare.com/files/21924121/untitled_folder.tar.gz    and yes   /lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo
[18:22] <mrenouf> dajhorn: ooh! interesting. Now I got plymouth splash running, I see "Checking disk 1 of 1", repeatedly counts up from 1% to 40% and starts over. I bet it's that /proc/bus/usb confusing it somehow. Bizzare!
[18:22] <jrib> dm_: dpkg -i foo.deb   to install a package
[18:23] <nemo> cozziemoto: lol. they probably block that too. they block all of those dropboxes and whatnot
[18:23] <cozziemoto> nemo,  although  one is svg i would have to convert that to png for you
[18:23] <nemo> 'sok. I already bounced it through
[18:23] <cozziemoto> nemo,  damn
[18:23] <dm_> jrib ahh ok, so locate fgrx deb, sudo dpkg -i fglrxXXXXX.deb --force-overwrite
[18:23] <cozziemoto> oh ok
[18:23] <trigrou> could someone help to test something ?
[18:23] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  like what?
[18:24] <trigrou> cozziemoto: like building a a program
[18:24] <jrib> dm_: not sure if the --force-overwrite has to be before fglrxXXXX.deb or not.  Also, it will be in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:24] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  well maybe...which one?
[18:24] <trigrou> cozziemoto: http://www.pastebin.org/149367
[18:24] <dm_> jrib aye, i was in there earlier seeing if my cached deb was corrupted, unfortunately, that wasnt the prob : D
[18:25] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  it is not making for you?
[18:25] <trigrou> cozziemoto: i have hard problem to compile it, with some gcc internal error. but on my gentoo it works
[18:26] <dm_> jrib yeah before foo.deb
[18:26] <marienz> trigrou: trying
[18:26] <dm_> jrib thanks for your help, gonna reboot and see if it melts my laptop
[18:26] <kuttans> hii everybody
[18:26] <trigrou> cozziemoto: i reported a bug and added comment, but i dont know what to do now, it's really weird - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-defaults/+bug/560135
[18:26] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  mm  let me download the current svn version and try here
[18:27] <trigrou> cozziemoto: svn of ?
[18:27] <marienz> argh I hate cmake
[18:27] <kuttans> can anyone stop and look at my xorg log a lot of errors there after upgrading to lucid, and compiz not working  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/DQfCQwYs
[18:27] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  why not just sudo apt-get install openscenegraph  ??
[18:28] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  svn of openscenegraph
[18:28] <trigrou> cozziemoto: i am a developper of osg, so i need to work with different version and use trunk ...
[18:28] <MindVirus> Hi. My login screen is fucked up.
[18:28] <MindVirus> Its theme is all wrong.
[18:28] <MindVirus> When you look at it, it seems like the theme isn't installed.
[18:28] <MindVirus> Gray buttons and stuff.
[18:28] <trigrou> cozziemoto: i have the same problem with the trunk
[18:28] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  ah i see
[18:29] <mrenouf> dajhorn: commented out proc/usb line got it slightly more working. plymouth splash comes up, but still the problem of infinite disk checking
[18:29] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  I am not sure i can help but let me try it here anyway
[18:29] <MindVirus> Any advice?
[18:29] <marienz> trigrou: sorry, this needs a sufficiently huge number of build-deps that I'm not installing them on my desktop, and my laptop with chroots is currently broken
[18:30] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Manually `fsck` all of the filesystems that could be recognized by mountall at boot time.
[18:30] <trigrou> cozziemoto: yes just a compile test would be good
[18:30] <trigrou> marienz: just cmake no ?
[18:30] <marienz> trigrou: and mesa-dev and friends, iiuc.
[18:30] <nemo> ugh. libmapi 0.9 isn't in lucid :(
[18:30] <trigrou> marienz: oh ok
[18:30] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Also check that your partition numbers are sensible.  (83 for /dev/sda1 and 82 for /dev/sda2.)
[18:30]  * nemo is trying to get evolution-mapi 0.30 for evolution 2.30 working...
[18:31] <marienz> trigrou: also, I hate cmake because http://pastebin.com/K9QCaHK1 is a pretty terrible way of telling me what deps I'm missing
[18:31] <MindVirus> Can anyone recommend me what to do?
[18:31] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  i also was reading through this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=479296
[18:31] <nemo> ah. "Unfortunately there's no version of OpenChange out yet that works with
[18:31] <nemo> newer versions of Samba 4 (as present in experimental)."
[18:32] <nemo> sooo, unless I want to build a ton of stuff myself, I'd better give up on this
[18:33] <dm_> jrib well didnt melt :P but still no 3d
[18:33] <jrib> dm_: you should run apt-get install -f after the dpkg possibly
[18:33] <marienz> teehee, "VIA Graphics Intergration Chipset"
[18:33] <Altin> I would like to know where the environment variables stored in which directory
[18:34] <dm_> jrib did that, it successfully set up the other needed fglrx packages (like amdcccle and the xorg stuff)
[18:34] <trigrou> cozziemoto: you are on lucid right ?
[18:34] <jrib> dm_: I see
[18:34] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  yes
[18:34] <jrib> dm_: do you still need to edit xorg.conf though (I've always used nvidia or intel)
[18:34] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  and noticed that they have two build systems in this
[18:35] <trigrou> cozziemoto: what do you mean ?
[18:35] <dm_> jrib Driver      "fglrx", thats what it should be :x
[18:35] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  according to the README file  either ./configure &7 make && sudo make install or   mkdir build  cd build  cmake
[18:35] <cozziemoto> etc ^^
[18:35] <jrib> dm_: anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[18:36] <trigrou> cozziemoto: ho yes but it uses cmake behind
[18:37] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  ah
[18:37] <trigrou> the mkdir build make it build outside the source tree
[18:37] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  let me try the ./configure one first
[18:37] <dm_> jrib searching through it, looks like alot of  fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@0:17:0) found
[18:37] <dm_> jrib about 11 messages with different PCI:0!@:NUMBER:NUMBER
[18:38] <dm_> jrib but that very well may be the HDMI, the proprietary linux drivers do not support it iirc
[18:38] <trigrou> cozziemoto: sure, i have the same output from the script or building inside the build dir
[18:39] <trigrou> cozziemoto: here my output http://www.pastebin.org/149378
[18:40] <dm_> jrib and glxinfo | grep direct outputs direct rendering: Yes
[18:40] <MindVirus> My GDM is fucked up. Can someone help?
[18:40] <dm_> jrib so theoretically I should have 3d
[18:40] <jrib> dm_: how are you determining you don't?
[18:40] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  so far the ./configure && make are working but it is at only 4%
[18:41] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  i also am using this revision   svn co http://www.openscenegraph.org/svn/osg/OpenSceneGraph/tags/OpenSceneGraph-2.8.1
[18:41] <trigrou> cozziemoto: could you try the version i put to be sure
[18:41] <trigrou> 2.8.3
[18:41] <cozziemoto> ok let me download that hold on
[18:41] <nemo> "Sorry, the program "update-apt-xapian-index" closed unexpectedly  - hm. that sounds kind of important.
[18:41] <trigrou> cozziemoto: thank you
[18:42] <dm_> jrib compiz :P here is the error, which i dont quite understand yet. http://paste.ubuntu.com/413778/, gnome-shell also does not start
[18:42] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  sorry that is the one I am compiling
[18:42] <MindVirus> No advice for me, eh?
[18:42] <dm_> the part no whitelisted driver found I have never seen before
[18:42] <dm_> Ive always been an nvidia guy
[18:42] <trigrou> cozziemoto: so it means it works for you ?
[18:42] <dm_> never really had probs with video drivers in linux
[18:43] <jrib> dm_: #compiz might know about it.  I know there exists a way to have compiz ignore the whitelist and see what happens
[18:43] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  hold on because i stopped it at 4% thinking it was not the up to date version   just restarted the compile
[18:43] <Berzerker> so I'm still having a problem with freezing right after login
[18:43] <Berzerker> couple questions: is the nvidia driver supposed to load "nvidia" or "nv"?
[18:43] <MindVirus> Sweet.
[18:43] <trigrou> cozziemoto: ho ok i thought it was the good version after, to be sure test it with 2.8.3
[18:44] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  this is 2.8.3
[18:44] <trigrou> so it compiles well
[18:44] <dm_> jrib found it on the forums, in /usr/bin/compiz
[18:44] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  the compile is going slowly though so hold on :)
[18:44] <trigrou> cozziemoto: what is your hardware ?
[18:44] <trigrou> cozziemoto: yes but if you read my log you will see that it crash very early for me
[18:44] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  64 bit amd at 2gihz only
[18:45] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  i saw that  indeed
[18:45] <dm_> jrib hmm, fglrx is listed for whitelist
[18:45] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  right now it is at 4% again so lets see how far it gets
[18:45] <jrib> dm_: I don't know anything about compiz
[18:45] <nemo> ah. already reported.
[18:45] <Berzerker> the thing is, is only happens when I update-grub from inside ubuntu, or if I boot into another os, such as windows
[18:46] <trigrou> cozziemoto: it should compiles completely because i did it on my gentoo. i just dont know what's happen on my lucid laptop
[18:46] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  mm it seems to be going along well...6% now
[18:46] <trigrou> cozziemoto: yes you can stop it
[18:46] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  ok
[18:47] <trigrou> cozziemoto: any idea what could be wrong here ?
[18:47] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  so something has been broken on that end?
[18:47] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  not sure  this is a default install of lucid  no  extras other than from dist-upgrades
[18:48] <trigrou> cozziemoto: i installed only stuff from lucid
[18:48] <cozziemoto> trigrou,   not sure then... did you   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     I generally do that during pre release times
[18:48] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  not sure off hand but let me read that readout you had hold on
[18:49] <Berzerker> how do I remove the nvidia drivers from the command line?
[18:49] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  this part of your read out does not look good   "internal compiler error: Segmentation fault"
[18:49] <nemo> Ok. So I had installed Francesco Marella's packaging of Evolution to see if it would be reasonably easy to get Evolution MAPI 0.30 working (it wasn't)
[18:50] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  the complete line is  "/usr/include/c++/4.4/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:178: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault"
[18:50] <trigrou> cozziemoto: i will have to leave, i will try to connect tomorrow
[18:50] <nemo> now. I'd like to revert back to 2.28 disabling that repo seems to not be enough. When I try a forced downgrade to 2.28 on all the 2.30 packages it starts flagging a ton of important stuff for removal
[18:50] <cozziemoto> trigrou,  ok
[18:50] <nemo> like all of gnome
[18:50] <nemo> (not downgrade, removal)
[18:51]  * nemo tries just uninstalling and reinstalling evolution
[18:51] <Berzerker> how do I remove the nvidia drivers from the command line?
[18:51] <nemo> Berzerker: just for purposes of booting X you could just change your xorg.conf to use the nv driver instead...
[18:52] <Berzerker> nemo, would I still get the nvidia performance out of it?
[18:52] <nemo> Berzerker: you'll lose 3d accel
[18:52] <nemo> but you said you want to remove it anyway
[18:52] <Berzerker> nemo, hmm...I want to try and find a way to fix this freezing at login
[18:53] <Berzerker> I thought new drivers might be at fault
[18:53] <Berzerker> so I wanted to try and install maybe 185
[18:53] <Berzerker> or 190
[18:53] <nemo> Berzerker: well, then switch to nv, do whatever you want in convenience of nice managed env like synaptic, then switch back? :)
[18:53] <nemo> hell. you can switch back graphically too...
[18:54] <nemo> that's what System->Administration->Hardware Drivers is for
[18:54] <nemo> agh... uninstalling evolution causes problems w/ lower deps on reinstall, such as EDS
[18:54] <nemo> and removing EDS wants to remove all of gnome
[18:55]  * nemo tries just downgrading EDS
[18:55] <nemo> there we go. just a few more things to clean up...
[18:56] <nemo> ugh. ton of other stuff stuck on 2.30 fmarl now though :(
[18:56] <nemo> like libcamel, which attempts to downgrade or remove trigger removal of ton of important stuff
[18:56] <nemo> why is apt so stooooopid
[18:57] <joaopinto> uhh
[18:57] <vish> !test
[18:57] <joaopinto> apt is usually as smart as the user :P
[18:57] <joaopinto> actually smarter than some users :P
[18:58] <nemo> joaopinto: it seems logical to you that updating to 2.30 was as simple as adding the repo, but disabling the repo does not allow downgrading to latest lucid automatically?
[18:58] <nemo> joaopinto: but fine. since this is so bloody obvious, please enlighten :-/
[18:58] <nemo> hm
[18:58] <nemo> maybe if I do partial upgrade...
[18:59] <joaopinto> nemo, yes, it is that simple after you understand that downgrades are not supported
[18:59] <nemo> ugh
[18:59] <joaopinto> by design
[18:59] <nemo> dist-upgrade did not do it :(
[19:00] <nemo> well. guess if I still have the 2.28 packages I can maybe force 'em w/ dpkg -i
[19:00] <Berzerker> nemo, ....
[19:00] <Berzerker> nemo, if I mark nvidia-glx-185 or something else for installation, it forces nvidia-current to be installed also
[19:00] <Berzerker> nemo, and I can't choose between them
[19:00] <Berzerker> nemo, in hardware drivers
[19:01] <nemo> Berzerker: well. I'm sure it is all obvious to joaopinto here.  I'm busy trying to raise myself to apt's level of enlightenment right now...
[19:02] <joaopinto> nemo, it is properly documented that downgrading packages is not a supported procedure
[19:02] <joaopinto> if you decide to proceed with an unsupported procedure then you are smarter enough to handle it ;)
[19:03] <Berzerker> joaopinto, maybe you can help me, my system is freezing right after I login
[19:03] <joaopinto> nemo, also it is widely advertised that you should use 3rd party repositories with caution
[19:04] <Berzerker> joaopinto, doesn't even get to changing the wallpaper, all I get is the login screen background with a cursor
[19:04] <Berzerker> joaopinto, then something, eventually, the monitor shuts off
[19:04] <nemo> joaopinto: huh. somehow missed this widely documented fact.
[19:04] <nemo> ah well
[19:04] <nemo> joaopinto: trivial to do in Gentoo, so I guess I was overoptimistic
[19:04] <nemo> 3rd party, sure. I was aware of the risks there
[19:05] <nemo> just was hoping to manage to build a MAPI that doesn't crash every 10 minutes
[19:06] <Berzerker> yofel, yo, still having my freezing problem :(
[19:06] <Berzerker> yofel, it's different now though, I can get into recovery mode every time
[19:07] <Berzerker> yofel, I think it might have something to do with the nvidia driver
[19:08] <yofel> Berzerker: not sure, and 185 is not in the repos for lucid, only 96, 173 and 195
[19:08] <Berzerker> :( I don't think 173 has GTX 260 support
[19:09] <yofel> me neither
[19:09] <Berzerker> how about the nouvaeu drivers?
[19:09] <Berzerker> could I try using those?
[19:10] <yofel> Berzerker: the repository drivers of nouveau don't have 3D support as that's still experimental, where exactly does it freeze?
[19:11] <Berzerker> right after I log in, when it's trying to load gdm
[19:11] <Berzerker> freezes at the login screen background with a cursor
[19:11] <Berzerker> eventually sometimes the monitor shuts off
[19:11] <yofel> wait, gdm is the login screen, so you mean it freezes after gdm?
[19:11] <Berzerker> oh that's all included
[19:11] <Berzerker> well then it freezes while trying to load gnome-desktop I guess
[19:11] <yofel> hm
[19:12] <Berzerker> ./var/log/messages had nothinbg useful
[19:15] <marienz> weird, my gdm is using the wrong gtk theme (or at least that's what it looks like)
[19:16] <marienz> I probably messed with that in karmic and after upgrading to lucid the theme karmic was using is no longer there or something
[19:17] <Berzerker> yofel, anything?
[19:17] <DShepherd> where do i got to disable bluetooth and other services i have no use for in lynx??
[19:18] <yofel> Berzerker: not really, no. I don't know how how gnome login works, I find it strange that gdm works for you
[19:18] <jrr> whew msttcorefonts make google apps so much more pleasant
[19:19] <nemo> joaopinto: well. that was unnecessarily tedious, but all cleaned up in the end
[19:19] <nemo> yay for --force-depends
[19:20] <Berzerker> lol now I can't boot anymore
[19:20] <Berzerker> this is just getting ridiculous
[19:21] <Berzerker> yofel, now I'm not even getting into gdm
[19:22] <Chicano> Hi everyone
[19:22] <yofel> Berzerker: then really try it with nouveau once, by purging the nvidia drivers
[19:22] <yofel> Berzerker: sudo aptitude purge nvidia-current
[19:22] <Chicano> I posted this in #kubuntu as well but I think this is a more correct place:
[19:23] <Chicano> will Kubuntu Lucid use pulseaudio by default? and if so, will it be using Mandriva's patches?
[19:23] <nemo> Berzerker: you could also perhaps try the official nvidia driver, totally haven't tried it under Lucid yet though, I'm only using it under Karmic so I can try out CUDA
[19:23] <maco> Chicano: kubuntu lucid will not have PA by default
[19:23] <ali1234> what does the exclamation mark by a package in lucid synaptic mean?
[19:24] <nemo> Berzerker: they are on 195.36.15
[19:24] <maco> Chicano: there is discussion of moving to PA for Meerkat so that there is plenty of time to get it all smooth before the 12.04 LTS, and since Qt and Phonon now have better PA integration, it's good timing
[19:24] <nemo> ali1234: upgrade I believe
[19:24] <Typh> I love that everytime I check apt, there's updates!
[19:24] <nemo> ali1234: like. upgrade available or something
[19:24] <ali1234> nemo: ah ok, thanks
[19:25] <kc7zzv> I can't manage to get preseeding to fully automate partitioning in Lucid.  Does anyone know where I can find an example?  Google hasn't been helpful.
[19:25] <nemo> ali1234: at least that's what I infer from my little [!] that I just cleaned up :)
[19:25] <maco> Chicano: i dont know anything about mandriva patches. i imagine if mandriva hasnt sent their patches upstream, we won't have them unless whatever dev is watching whatever packages they're for is explicitly told about them and their necessity
[19:26] <Chicano> maco: I saw mention of Mandriva's patches at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidPackaging
[19:27] <maco> Chicano: i see. i dont know if those got integrated yet or not since kubuntu devs dont tend to patch without upstream approval. i'm sure theyll be looked at again for 10.10 if they havent been
[19:30] <maco> Chicano: the people to ask would be in #kubuntu-devel
[19:30] <Chicano> maco: I hope pa makes it for Meerkat, because I get tired having to reboot my pc when sound just bluntly stops working. granted, 90+% of the time the code responsible is from Adobe's flashplugin - which also means it's useless submitting a bugreport
[19:31] <maco> Chicano: i use pa with lucid just fine
[19:32] <m_anish> Hi I am using ubuntu-lucid-beta2-amd64 and trying to publish a key to the ubuntu keyserver and getting an error. Here is the transcript http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ZrEWsmGG . Is the keyserver currently down... Pings to keyserver.ubuntu.com work though.the url http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/ times out.
[19:33] <Chicano> maco: is there a wiki page explaining how I would go about installing it manually on Lucid once I've migrated?
[19:33] <maco> Chicano: sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[19:34] <maco> Chicano: just make sure that in the multimedia settings in systemsettings, on *all* of the audio categories you put pulseaudio at the top of the list
[19:34] <Chicano> maco: that's it?  (I've heard there are 2 OS and the proprietary one). glxinfo tells me, i use "Mesa". Is this the nouveau driver?
[19:34] <marienz> "The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[19:34] <marienz> how is linux-image-2.6.31-20-generic not a genuine Ubuntu package
[19:35] <KB1JWQ> marienz: That's not a Lucid kernel.
[19:35] <marienz> err, right
[19:35] <marienz> crap, wrong version
[19:35] <KB1JWQ> Did that solve it? :-)
[19:35] <marienz> still, that's a terrible error message, and I had to click through half a dozen dialogs asking me for info about the problem before telling me it can't use that info
[19:35] <marienz> I *loathe* ubuntu-bugs. It makes me not want to file bugs.
[19:36] <KB1JWQ> marienz: Are you actually on Lucid, with an older kernel?
[19:36] <Chicano> maco: seeing the ease of it all I think I'll try it on my current hybrid install as well. I take it reversing the procedure (if necessary) is simply purging the pulseaudio package and bumping the pa devices in multimedia settings down again?
[19:36] <marienz> KB1JWQ: I'm on lucid, I'm running a lucid kernel, I'm trying to file a bug on that kernel. I accidentally tabcompleted the karmic's kernel's name, which the updater didn't remove.
[19:36]  * marienz starts over using the right version number
[19:37] <KB1JWQ> marienz: Ahhh, that got it.
[19:37] <KB1JWQ> marienz: What's the bug, anyway?
[19:37] <maco> Chicano: yep
[19:37] <Chicano> maco: ok, thanks
[19:37] <marienz> KB1JWQ: some kind of incompatibility between viafb and the laptop I'm using. As soon as viafb is loaded the lcd turns off, after which nothing short of rebooting turns it back on (X works just fine, you just can't see anything on the screen)
[19:38] <KB1JWQ> Sounds vaguely driver related?
[19:38] <isnoop> Is it possible to upgrade 8.04 LTS to 10.4 LTS Beta2 at the command line?   "do-release-upgrade -d" exits with an error.
[19:38] <marienz> KB1JWQ: blacklisting viafb (and vga16fb, which hits a different bug) gets me a working system, but that's rather awkward to accomplish without a rescue cd of some kind to boot from.
[19:38] <KB1JWQ> Doh, viafb is a driver.  Derp derp...
[19:38] <marienz> KB1JWQ: yep, viafb is a driver, but X seems to be innocent here, so I'm filing it against the kernel (which is where viafb lives)
[19:39] <DasEi2> isnoop: you update distro per distro, fresh install recommended then
[19:39] <marienz> also, wtf does "stable release" and "development release" mean in the context of filing kernel bugs (is lucid "development release" and karmic "stable release", or is this referring to kernel version numbers, or what?)
[19:39] <KB1JWQ> You've got it right.
[19:39] <marienz> err
[19:40] <isnoop> DasEi2: Isn't one of the benefits of sticking with LTS that you have a direct upgrade path from one to the next?
[19:40] <marienz> isnoop: I know upgrading from one LTS to the next is supported, but I have no idea of upgrading from hardy to lucid beta2 is supported *yet*
[19:40] <KB1JWQ> isnoop: Yes.  But again, it's not release yet.  Won't be for another couple of weeks.
[19:40] <marienz> s/of/if/
[19:41] <marienz> isnoop: I do know I've seen lts upgrade bugs getting fixed (because I skim some changelogs), so I think it's wise to wait a bit
[19:41] <_CommandeR_> guys is there a way to disable the anyoing notice in downloads folder?
[19:42] <thebishop> is anyone else with an intel 4500MHD experiencing random flickering horizontal lines in 10.04?
[19:43] <ripps> Does anybody know where I file bugs for broken livecd kernels?
[19:43] <ZykoticK9> _CommandeR_, this question has come up before - I'm unaware of a way to remove it (would love to find one though)
[19:43] <isnoop> marienz: KB1JWQ:  Well, I'll just crank off a fresh install to test the beta for now.  The confusion arose because the documentation suggests that a direct upgrade to Beta2 was not only possible, but simple:
[19:43] <isnoop> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.10%20or%20Ubuntu%208.04%20LTS
[19:43] <_CommandeR_> ZykoticK9, hm thing is i dont even have bluetooth
[19:44] <Oxymoron> How to solve this please: "apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/reqtimeout.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_reqtimeout.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_reqtimeout.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"?
[19:44] <Oxymoron> Some clumsy programmer forgot to put mod_reqtimeout.so in there ...
[19:44] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[19:44] <Oxymoron> I need one fix NOW, I was programming and used apache2 recently, I really need it.
[19:44] <coc0nut> Some clumsy person also forgot to build Python 3 on a system with working semaphores before releasing it as a package. ;_;
[19:44] <ZykoticK9> _CommandeR_, i believe removing all Bluetooth packages does remove the message (but could be wrong about that, so don't recommend you try)
[19:45] <_CommandeR_> btw does anyone get error message when launching gksu nautilus ?
[19:45] <brad[]> Hi folks!
[19:45]  * Oxymoron is glad some programmer probably listened on him before when he said that hes browser was freezed if apache2 reached infinite loops :P I guess that reqtimeout :P
[19:45] <BUGabundo> isnoop: seems we are having a bit of probs with upgrades at the moment
[19:45] <_CommandeR_> get like 7 error messages
[19:46] <brad[]> I'm looking for a java plugin that works a tad more reliably than icedtea under Lucid. I used to use sun java but can't find this in the repositories anymore.
[19:46] <ZykoticK9> brad[], if you add the Partner repo you'll find Sun java
[19:46] <nemo> Oxymoron: I'm moderately surprised you are using Lucid for anything critical :)
[19:47] <brad[]> ZykoticK9, how do I add the partner repo?
[19:47] <ZykoticK9> brad[], see blue note at the top of http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java
[19:47] <isnoop> BUGabundo:  Roger that.  I'll sit tight on the upgrade.  Adding the release blog to my feed reader.
[19:47] <Oxymoron> nemo: Lucid is stable with Beta2 but just recently when updated apache2 which I shouldnt it stopped working xD
[19:48] <TommyThaGun> uh oh
[19:48] <BUGabundo> isnoop: by all means keep trying
[19:48] <BUGabundo> we are hopping to have that fixed in two days
[19:48] <Oxymoron> nemo: One cool thing, soon Cairo dock works good enough togehter with KDE and Dbus so you can enjoy the active window notifier fully so you dont miss any message :P
[19:48] <BUGabundo> before final feature freeze
[19:48] <nemo> Oxymoron: heh. just seems you probably wouldn't want to put a server on lucid even if it was released. personally I'd wait a few months after any release to do that :-p
[19:48] <brad[]> ZykoticK9, thanks
[19:48] <nemo> Oxymoron: let some other person get burned by the apache bug - ideally someone running a test server
[19:49] <ZykoticK9> brad[], glad to help :)
[19:49] <Oxymoron> nemo: I dont run an official server on this machine, I just hobby programming and testing in it ;)
[19:49] <nemo> Oxymoron: ah the "NOW" sounded panicked.
[19:49] <marienz> isnoop: I simply do not know if this is supposed to work already. It's entirely possible it *should* work, I haven't checkde.
[19:49] <marienz> checked, even
[19:49] <keito> Anyone else experiencing a bug where wifi keeps asking for the passphrase (even though you're connected!) and when you cancel it it disconnects you.  If you click OK then I disappears but comes back again after a couple of minutes - very annoying.
[19:49] <Oxymoron> nemo: Well, its a panic if I want it to work :D
[19:49] <ripps> Both the destkop livecd and the alternate cd's have problems that prevent me from using them. I get some kind of kernel oops early on in the livecd that causes it fail to start X and drops me to commandline, and the alternate cd doesn't include the forcedeth module I need to activate networking on my mobo
[19:50] <isnoop> BUGabundo:  Does the do-release-upgrade for 8.04LTS keep getting upgraded to account for fixes, or do all of the important goodies get downloaded when the script runs?
[19:50] <Oxymoron> nemo: I dont expect Lucid to work flawless of course not, but some things shouldnt be release IMO if they arent stable enough.
[19:50] <BUGabundo> isnoop: we hope so
[19:50] <BUGabundo> but as proven by you, its broken right now
[19:50] <BUGabundo> isnoop: is it only cli or GUI too?
[19:51] <nemo> Oxymoron: is impossible to catch all bugs before release, I have no doubt there will be many maintenance releases
[19:51] <isnoop> Just CLI.  We haven't installed X.
[19:51] <nemo> Oxymoron: hopefully you filed this one though :)
[19:51] <nemo> keito: dmesg saying anything interesting? often wifi dumps stuff there
[19:51] <isnoop> I'll have a look at the ticketing system then.  Surely someone else has filed it, but maybe not...
[19:52] <nemo> keito: maybe it is trying to switch networks or something
[19:53] <isnoop> BUGabundo: Well, butter my buns... it just started working.
[19:53] <BUGabundo> lolol
[19:53] <isnoop> Thanks, all.
[19:54] <Oxymoron> nemo: Yes, thats understandable. But seriously, forgot to even put the file into the package. I got the error when updating in apt ... Cant start apache2 without it I think, or maybe if its possible to inactivate it :P
[19:55] <spyke> I have several folders set up on a samba server. I have a script on my laptop that basically mounts each folder. Is there any (easier) way (in lucid) to just say: "mount whatever folders there are on SHARE"??
[19:55] <duffydack> just updated and installed new kernel but grub isnt pickin it up, any idea?
[19:56] <AngryPunk> tried updating to the beta thru updatemanager but it hangs preparing memtest86+
[19:56] <Oxymoron> nemo: I am looking forward to see if all programmers will reach to all bugs and features until the stable release :P Its not long time left and my system have some problems left with grub2, kwin problems, video problems and plymouth problems and as well Kmail and that problem with storing mail in Akonadi :P
[19:56] <brad[]> icedtea is pretty dysfunctional with most java applets I've used. there any reason it's the recommended Java plugin?
[19:57] <nemo> brad[]: good question now that sun/oracle's jvm is now FOSS
[19:57] <nemo> brad[]: and unless things have changed, still breaks eclipse too
[19:58] <mrenouf> dajhorn: happy to report manual fsck seems to have fixed it, but I'm missing a bit of the startup portion of plymouth, and boot still takes a while.
[19:58] <brad[]> nemo, nod
[20:00] <DanaG> hmm, where would i go for help with networkmanager?
[20:00] <jpds> DanaG: #nm
[20:01] <kc7zzv> spyke: I may be getting confused and thinking of MacOS, but can't you mount the "folder" that the shares are in?
[20:02] <RPG-Master> I'm having some issues with Gwibber
[20:02] <DanaG> Thanks.
[20:02] <Oxymoron> nemo: sudo a2dismod reqtimeout <3
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[20:03] <RPG-Master> Like, it only shows @ replies for identi.ca
[20:03] <RPG-Master> not my stream
[20:04] <RPG-Master> and even if I have Gwibber open, it still says "set up broadcast account" in the notification applet.
[20:07] <dajhorn> mrenouf: Spiffy. If you can describe the problem, then think about opening a bug against plymouth.  There are just a few days left before Lucid freezes.
[20:07] <DanaG> hmm, no response in #nm yet.
[20:11] <DanaG> Hmm, anyone know how to get networkmanager not to be confused by having two rfkill devices?
[20:11] <DanaG> I have an hp-wifi rfkill device and a phy0 rfkill device.  Soft-blocking the former hard-blocks the latter... and then once I do so, NM won't let me unblock it.
[20:12] <DanaG> Every time I resume from suspend, it gets stuck in this state.
[20:14] <duffydack> I think im missing some packages for the kernel thats why its not being picked up by grub when updating it..  anyone know which packages I need to go with the linux-2.6.32-20 ?
[20:23] <avis> fail
[20:25] <avis> had to take a blood test to prove i was legitimately effected with a certain disease.  what a inconvenience.  they could have rather said "don't take your meds for 24 hours" and get back with us
[20:26] <guntbert> avis: sorry to hear that - but here it is off topic :-)
[20:26] <avis> thanks guntbert
[20:26] <avis> i just needed an ear to hear me at the moment.  sorry about that
[20:27] <arthurh> avis, got more than (a)n ear, for sure
[20:28] <avis> i'm sorry you wont drop the topic when i did
[20:34] <avis> arthurh, i've never seen you here before.  are you new to lucid ?  or have you been lurking in the background ?
[20:34] <avis> arthurh, if i can help with any lucid issues i'd like to try
[20:36] <arthurh> avis, I'm in and out depending on need.  At the moment I just stuck Lucid on an extra Macbook Pro 5,2 that I have sitting around and figured I'd lurk a bit in case I had any outstanding issues -- thanks for the offer!
[20:40] <TommyThaGun> awesome
[20:40] <TommyThaGun> now I have spell checking in xchat
[20:40] <TommyThaGun> funny, 'xchat' isn't a word
[20:41] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[20:41] <BUGabundo> the irony
[20:43] <avis> i love lucid.  all all ubuntu releases, i'm most happy with this one
[20:44] <avis> and i've seen a number of them roll bu
[20:44] <avis> by
[20:45] <kc7zzv> In general I like most of the releases more than the last, and the color scheme less.
[20:46] <kc7zzv> Except karmic.  That gave me lots of video driver trouble.
[20:46] <d_dyer> Hello, While trying to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 i get this error "The NetworkManager applet could not find some required resources.  It cannot continue." Is there anything i can do to fix this or continue the upgrade? Thanks!
[20:46] <nemo> Oxymoron: I hope you still reported it - for one thing, the bug mail will keep you from forgetting you turned it off :-p
[20:47] <avis> there is a recommended method of upgrading, of which i do not remember, but its supposed to be preferred to the old way
[20:48] <kc7zzv> Is update-manager -d the recommended way or the old way?
[20:48] <d_dyer> I used the steps on Ubuntu's Website on the upgrade.
[20:48] <sealview> my HP has 10.04 installed but when it enter the UI mode (Xorg) it stripes and shake my display continuously, I tried NVidia drivers but no change, what can work wrrong?
[20:48] <BUGabundo> d_dyer: avis: $ update-manager -d for GUI, $sudo do-release-upgrade -d for CLI
[20:48] <BUGabundo> !upgrade | d_dyer
[20:48] <avis> got it.  thanks
[20:48] <avis> i guess the old fashioned way does work
[20:48] <_CommandeR_> how do you save the keyring for wireless in lucid?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> oh you already knew that d_dyer
[20:49] <BUGabundo> do you have enough disk space?
[20:49] <d_dyer> Me? I have a 320GB HDD
[20:50] <Oxymoron> nemo: I saw someone else already have reported it and hopefully I dont forget xD
[20:50] <d_dyer> I looked on both of those sites and didnt see anything about my problem.
[20:52] <BUGabundo> d_dyer: first time I saw it eiher
[20:52] <BUGabundo> please file a bug
[20:52] <d_dyer> Ok, How do i do that, Sorry i am new to Ubuntu and Linux in general
[20:54] <sealview> sorry, can anyone help with a Lucid that flickers, stripe and shake the display in X.org?
[20:56] <BUGabundo> d_dyer: then I don't advice you to be running devel releases
[20:56] <Zelozelos> does anyone know if devede will support .flv formats?
[20:56] <BUGabundo> feel free to test live images for now, for HW and app compatibility
[20:56] <BUGabundo> Zelozelos: no idea, sorry
[20:56] <d_dyer> BUGabundo, How do i revert changes? It was almost at the end of the update
[20:57] <BUGabundo> you can'tu restore your backups
[20:57] <Zelozelos> is there a prog that will let me make a dvd from a flv? or a flv converter to avi or anything?
[20:58] <Zelozelos> i have a home movie that i converted to flv a while ago but i deleted the avi, and now i need the avi to burn it 2 disk so i can send it to grandma
[20:59] <JEEBsv> Zelozelos: just use ffmpeg or something to encode to MPEG-2 with the vbv limits
[20:59] <JEEBsv> VP6 is supported by ffmpeg, after all
[20:59] <JEEBsv> :3
[20:59] <JEEBsv> (and H.264 too)
[20:59] <Zelozelos> ill give it a shot thank you
[21:00] <JEEBsv> although the ffmpeg in ubuntu IIRC was lulzly old the last I heard
[21:00] <avis> what tool do you all recommend out of all of them to backup /home directory to external backup ?  i just use rsync from a user launched cronjob
[21:00] <JEEBsv> also, you should read up on what framerates etc. DVD supports
[21:00] <TommyThaGun> is anyone else having issues getting open office's spell checker to work?
[21:00] <JEEBsv> (and what framerate your input is)
[21:01] <DanaG> I use "faubackup", though it needs tweaking to exclude caches and thumbnails and such.
[21:02] <avis> dies it make an exact copy of your /home partition ?
[21:03] <nonameNN> its easier if you place /home in another partition or disk.... then you dont need to backup
[21:03] <avis> that would not work, as i require a /home partition on my in use drive, as well as my backup, so i can swap drives should one fail
[21:04] <nonameNN> avis: what?
[21:07] <JEEBsv> question: yasm 1.0 was released some days ago, I guess it won't get into 10.04?
[21:07] <BUGabundo> avis: dejavu ?
[21:07] <topyli> nonameNN, famous last words. "you don't need to backup" :)
[21:07] <ZykoticK9> topyli, +1
[21:07] <nonameNN> yeah totally...
[21:08] <arand> JEEBsv: Many critical/security bugs solved?
[21:08] <nonameNN> i would rather buy an external hdd and copy there critical info
[21:08] <JEEBsv> arand: let me see the changelog
[21:08] <nonameNN> like timecapsule of apple...
[21:09] <arand> JEEBsv: But yea, the FFE is a fairly hoop-jumpy process at this point, and very discriminatory as to what goes through and what doesn't
[21:11] <red> I have a pivot screen
[21:11] <red> and prefer reading documents with the screen turned 90 degrees
[21:11] <red> on windows I had a software that could automaticly sense the rotation and rotate the output to match the screen position
[21:12] <red> how do I rotate my screen on ubuntu? :P dont really matter if its not automatic
[21:12] <red> I tried xrandr --rotate
[21:12] <Haffe> xrandr I think.
[21:12] <red> didn't work :l
[21:12] <Haffe> red: Are you running nvidia?
[21:12] <red> y
[21:12] <red> Screen 0: minimum 3840 x 1080, current 3840 x 1080, maximum 3840 x 1080
[21:13] <kklimonda> you have to add something to xorg.conf to get xrandr rotation to work
[21:13] <red> doh
[21:13] <kklimonda> if it actually works - haven't tried
[21:13] <Haffe> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124062
[21:13] <kklimonda> I use nouveau now
[21:13] <Talon_> I run ubuntu, I'm a single man, I live alone, its MY computer so I want my general user to be able to modify my website running on apache, apaches htdocs is in /var/www and im growing tired of using sudo to edit files. whats the best solution? chown the /var/www dir?
[21:14] <red> doh
[21:14] <red> useless information for a newbie
[21:14] <melik> hey guys
[21:15] <melik> has the 10.04 netbook remix gotten any new features/interface?
[21:15] <genii> Talon_: Or add your user to the www-data group
[21:15] <red> some things just make me want to go back to windows so bad, but it's even worse for most parts. guess there isn't any perfect os :)
[21:15] <JEEBsv> arand: alright, kind of guessed it'd be like that at this point -- anyways, looking at the changelog @ http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/wiki/Release1.0.0 it might actually have some nice bugfixes :) Although I've only built x264 with it so far.
[21:15] <red> melik: I recommend to check out Jolicloud
[21:15] <Talon_> genii, i like that suggestion, how do I go about doin it tho?
[21:15] <joedark> hey all. I upgraded my laptop to 10.04, but I can't set the proper resolution anymore. Can anybody help me out?
[21:16] <genii> Talon_: sudo usermod -G -a www-data your-username
[21:16] <joedark> I've already tried using the graphical interface & xrandr, but when I try to set it to optimal resolution, it freaks out & garbles the screen
[21:17] <genii> Talon_: Group membership changes don't take effect until next logout/login cycle, so ya know
[21:17] <JEEBsv> haha, I didn't even think of that
[21:17] <Talon_> it hasto be done in a terminal? I can't use "system > administration > users & groups" ?
[21:18] <JEEBsv> the one time I've set something like that I just switched where the public folder was set (Which isn't a good idea usually)
[21:19] <genii> Talon_: You can do it either way. I give the desktop agnostic version since this channel has XFCE, GNOME, LXDE, and KDE desktop users
[21:20] <Talon_> eh the cmd lines easier anyways, i can't figure out how to add a group to my group with that crappy gui tool anyways
[21:20] <Talon_> oh, usermod: group '-a' does not exist
[21:21] <genii> Talon_: The -a may be needed after the groupname then... I occasionally forget exact syntax
[21:22] <brad[]> Is there an IRC channel for Ubuntu One?
[21:22] <Moha> i try to install spotify via Wine, but it dont work....
[21:22] <guntbert> brad[]: #ubuntuone
[21:24] <_CommandeR_> does someone dual boot with lucid?
[21:24] <Talon_> genii: I just recently isntalled apache, and it appears: "drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2010-04-12 23:39 www" do i need to chown /var/www to www-data also?
[21:24] <Talon_> its owned by root atm.
[21:25] <Moha> I have dual-boot Windows and Lucid beta2
[21:25] <genii> Talon_: Should be fine
[21:26] <Moha> Can't install .exe files via Wine. Is it any fix to the problem?
[21:27] <DanaG> hmm, any tips for my networkmanager rfkill issues?
[21:27] <Altin> Hello I am getting a info message when I log into the ubuntu window destop screen. The message is "Your battery may be broken. Your battery has a very low capacity (33%). Is it any fix to the problem??
[21:28] <nemo> Altin: well, is it inaccurate?
[21:28] <nemo> maybe your battery is dying...
[21:28] <Altin> nemo:battery shows full
[21:28] <Moha> Altin: Is it a problem??
[21:29] <Moha> Altin: ok
[21:29] <Altin> Moha: getting a info message whenever login to the system
[21:29] <nemo> Altin: that doesn't mean the battery hasn't lost capacity...
[21:30] <nemo> Altin: like, my old crappy laptop only has 5 min charge even when fully charged
[21:30] <Altin> nemo: looks like some bugs
[21:30] <nemo> 'k :)
[21:30] <guntbert> Altin: the battery keeps track of its capacity - it can be full but have only a fraction of the old capacity
[21:31] <Talon_> genii: no joy... it didn't work, I did groups <username> and seen my user was a member of admin, so i sudo chown root:admin www and I can now edit files without sudo
[21:31] <Altin> Here is one thread which is similar as these info message which was in 9.10 - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=678334
[21:32] <Altin> saying that "This is a known issue in the DSDT tables of the Daru2".
[21:34] <darkfile> hi
[21:34] <Zelda> Hello everyone.
[21:34] <darkfile> i just recognized that my MAC address is wrong in lucid
[21:35] <darkfile> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  Hardware Adresse 00:00:00:00:c9:28
[21:35] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:35] <Zelda> Im running Lucid. AMD64, anyone having issues with Java JRE installation?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> that's not supposed to happen
[21:35] <BUGabundo> usually drivers don't touch that
[21:35] <darkfile> instead of 00:19:db:4a:c9:28
[21:35] <darkfile> very strange
[21:35] <guntbert> darkfile: a virtual machine?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> darkfile: what's the device brand/model ?
[21:35] <darkfile> no virtual machine
[21:35] <BUGabundo> ohh VM?
[21:36] <darkfile> its onboard
[21:37] <Zelda> for the record, I have openJDK. I am trying to install frostwire, and it requires sun-java6-jre package
[21:38] <darkfile> http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=208&maincat_no=1
[21:38] <darkfile> MSI K8T Neo2
[21:38] <Zelda> also, Linux noob here.
[21:39] <darkfile> zelda, you need to enable the ubuntu partner repository
[21:39] <darkfile> then you can install sun-java6-jre
[21:39] <Zelda> Awesome! thanks.
[21:40] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> Hello Guys i have problem with my ubuntu
[21:40] <damidalla> hi, I have a really bad problem of black screen with Ubuntu Lucid... with desktop cd, but also with my freshly upgraded system...
[21:41] <Zelda> would also checking the backports be a good idea too?
[21:41] <darkfile> zelda only if you need to for something special
[21:42] <Zelda> anything that would stick out that  I could recognize that I would need that for?
[21:42] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li>  hello I have a problem with Ubuntu lucid insert a blank disk did not even step out when he says this
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Zelda: no backports in devel
[21:43] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> cd/dvd is now unmoundet
[21:43] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li>  hello I have a problem with Ubuntu lucid insert a blank disk did not even step out when he says this  cd/dvd is now unmoundet
[21:43] <Zelda> ok then I wont check it. Thanks.
[21:43] <darkfile> lol
[21:43] <darkfile> lorenc, how about a reboot
[21:43] <darkfile> :)
[21:44] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> done the same thing again
[21:44] <darkfile> hmm
[21:44] <darkfile> open a shell window and enter "eject"
[21:44] <darkfile> what happens?
[21:44] <darkfile> sorry, a "terminal"
[21:45] <Zelda> LOL, the dvd tray opens... duh!
[21:45] <Zelda> heh
[21:45] <z0rt> ehehehe
[21:45] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> open the drive
[21:45] <darkfile> great
[21:45] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> when insert the disc
[21:46] <darkfile> hm wasn't this the problem?
[21:46] <darkfile> that it won't come out?
[21:46] <z0rt> i think he means it won't mount i dunno
[21:46] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> I can not do things we can throw the disc does not burn
[21:46] <darkfile> ah
[21:47] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> what problem i have ?
[21:47] <darkfile> hmm
[21:47] <Zelda> what burning program you using?
[21:47] <Zelda> brasero?
[21:47] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> yes
[21:47] <damidalla> uhm... sorry, problem "solved", it's bug #558378
[21:48] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> ok..
[21:48] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> Thnx.For Help.
[21:48] <h00k> I wonder if the native nvidia driver will get a pretty looking plymouth
[21:48] <Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li> Bye
[21:49] <darkfile> Lorenc-Ubuntu-Li:  does it work with another operating system?
[21:49] <darkfile> how was his problem solved?
[21:49] <Zelda> I guess so.
[21:49] <Zelda> he left in a hurry
[21:49] <darkfile> maybe he inserted the CD upside down :)
[21:49] <darkfile> "oups"
[21:50] <Zelda> hahahh
[21:50] <z0rt> heh
[21:50] <Zelda> I wouldnt doubt that.
[21:50] <Zelda> geniuses!
[21:51] <sroecker> oh, too late. well, brasero has some bugs. e.g bug 529696
[21:51] <Zelda> maybe the drive is worn out becuase hes been using it as a cup holder.
[21:51] <Zelda> er because
[21:51] <z0rt> i just put lucid on my netbook and it freaked out when i did dist-upgrade without remounting rw...i need more coffee
[21:52] <BUGabundo> h00k: not all that better, no
[21:53] <BUGabundo> z0rt: dist-upgrade is evil
[21:53] <BUGabundo> don't use it
[21:53] <BUGabundo> use aptitude safe-upgrade instead
[21:53] <h00k> BUGabundo: that's...too bad. actually.
[21:53] <h00k> aptitude contains more logics
[21:54] <h00k> that's ugly for people who want to use the native driver :( I would hope people don't have to see it a whole not (need to reboot and all) but :(
[21:54] <thebwt> are break-possible updates being published right now, I noticed updates jumped from 3 to 37 since my last upgrade (earlier today).
[21:56] <darkfile> i have another interesting problem
[21:56] <darkfile> my upgrades never pop up "there are new upgrades etc"
[21:57] <darkfile> i always need to manually open the window
[21:57] <darkfile> with system -> system maintenance -> upgrade management (or so, mine is german)
[21:58] <balas> use the console sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:58] <darkfile> balas: there are many updates
[21:58] <darkfile> balas: i just wonder why i am never notified in the GUI
[21:58] <balas> do you only expect to install a few ?
[21:59] <darkfile> i wonder why there is no popup
[21:59] <thebwt> the pop up should only happen after liek a week
[21:59] <darkfile> or icon near the clock or so
[21:59] <darkfile> nothing happens
[21:59] <thebwt> it doesn't immediatly show up iirc
[21:59] <darkfile> but when i start the updater, there ate 250MB of new updates
[21:59] <darkfile> hm ok, today there are just 70mb :-P
[22:00] <z0rt> i never use the gui update manager i like my swirling text too much
[22:01] <thebwt> same, byobu + aptitude
[22:02] <benkong2> hello all
[22:02] <darkfile> hehe sure
[22:02] <darkfile> i simply miss the notification
[22:02] <benkong2> I just did the latest update and now my grub entry shows this line
[22:02] <darkfile> it seems to be a bug
[22:02] <benkong2> 'Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.32-20-generic' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
[22:02] <benkong2> what happened?
[22:02] <darkfile> it shows this in the selector ?
[22:02] <benkong2> darkfile: yes
[22:03] <thebwt> darkfile: i think the issue is that most lucid testers don't wait long enough for teh update alert to go off. If you in fact have, and it's not going off, that is a bug.
[22:03] <benkong2> I do a manual update in the terminal
[22:03] <darkfile> thebwt: how long is long enough?
[22:03] <thebwt> darkfile: good question, let me see
[22:03] <benkong2> This was an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:04] <thebwt> darkfile: on teh update manager gui, bottom left is "settings"
[22:04] <benkong2> all finished then the reboot icon appears
[22:04] <benkong2> or restart
[22:04] <thebwt> darkfile: it's all in there
[22:05] <darkfile> you mean the automatic update setting in the update tab?
[22:05] <darkfile> its set to don't download, only notify
[22:05] <darkfile> and the frequence is set to daily
[22:06] <benkong2> you talkin 2 me?
[22:06] <darkfile> no sorry, to thebwt
[22:06] <benkong2> k
[22:07] <darkfile> thebwt: uptime:  23:05:59 up 2 days,  5:43
[22:07] <darkfile> but no notiy about the 46 updates yet
[22:20] <cyberkilla> Hello, Strigi doesn't seem to load for me at login. When I check the settings, it says: "Strigi service not running."
[22:21] <cyberkilla> And the checkbox, "Enable Strigi Desktop File Indexer" is unchecked. I can check it again and the indexer icon will appear in the tray. It seems to start indexing, but a reboot takes me back to square one. This didn't always happen. It started in the past couple of weeks.
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> cyberkilla: could you pastebin your ~/.kde/share/config/nepomukserverrc file please?
[22:22] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Sure, one moment.
[22:24] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/LW0Cp8LC
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> ok, that all looks good
[22:26] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: For a brief instant, the message "Strigi service not running" changes to something about failing to initialise, then it changes to its progress on indexing files.
[22:26] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: It is too quick to screenshot, I'm afraid.
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> cyberkilla: but, does it eventually report progress on indexing files?
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> and does it stay that way?
[22:27] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Yes, within a fraction of a second of me checking the box and clicking apply, it starts indexing and reporting its progress.
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> in that case everything should be working
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> that fraction of a second is most likely the time it takes for the strigi service to start up
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> but System Settings starting watching for it immediately
[22:28] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Unfortunately, despite it working once I manually enable it, the setting doesn't seem to stick. I get the feeling it fails to load automatically.
[22:28] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: That makes sense.
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> but you say that when you log in and go back to systemsettings, the box is unchecked?
[22:29] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Yes.
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> :s
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> that's weird
[22:29] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: It claims that the service hasn't started.
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> that would point to the service having died on startup, I must agree
[22:30] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Could the checkbox be unchecked because the service failed to start, rather than it not remembering the setting?
[22:30] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Yes, my thoughts too.
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> cyberkilla: I'm thinking that's the only way the checkbox could be unchecked, considering that your settings file has autostart=true for the nepomuk strigi service
[22:32] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: I have been experiencing trouble with Python (PyKDE, in specific) but I fixed it a few days ago. jockey-kde and several other things (such as the printer tray icon) would not load, citing an ImportError for PyKDE4
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> what was the fix?
[22:32] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: The solution wasn't so hard. Basically, I had to delete the old folder because the organisation of the libraries changed and the updated package didn't bother to cleanup after itself.
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> so it was pointing to the old pykde files...
[22:33] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: I don't pretend to know the details, but the bug report mentioned something about using python central now, and the old folder not being deleted. Yes, exactly.
[22:33] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Other than that, I've had no real issues with the system.
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> cyberkilla: is this a karmic upgrade?
[22:34] <reborn> i got 10.04 beta and every other day i have updates which are around 100mb sometimes even way more. what's up with that? all in all i think i've d/led updates worth more than 600 MB!
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> I'm not sure, but I think we switched to python central in 10.04
[22:34] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: This is Karmic yes, but it's older than Karmic.
[22:34] <z0rt> reborn it's a beta, stuff is changing all the time
[22:35] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Correction, it was upgraded from Karmic.
[22:35] <reborn> sure but such huge updates? if you use patches you only need to change small parts of the original file!
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> cyberkilla: ok, then that makes sense, since we most likely switched pykde to python central in 10.04
[22:36] <reborn> it's no alpha software , right?!?
[22:36] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: It is actually Ubuntu, but I installed kubuntu-desktop after upgrading to Lucid. I have kept everything as clean as possible though. It isn't as big of a mess as it sounds:)
[22:36] <reborn> i mean every day like 100mb updates... that's just ridiculous!
[22:37] <reborn> what is one to do without a highspeed internet connect?
[22:37] <reborn> i will not recommend 10.04, if this does not change
[22:37] <FunnyLookinHat> reborn: Sounds like you shouldn't be beta testing... :)
[22:37] <mc44> reborn: not use prerelease versions
[22:37] <z0rt> even mcdonalds has wifi now i dunno
[22:37] <FunnyLookinHat> reborn: it changes as soon as it's released.  :)
[22:38] <reborn> well, it's not M$ , so beta usually means it's pretty much finished!
[22:39] <reborn> let's switch back to 08.10 ... the best linux!
[22:39] <FunnyLookinHat> reborn: not so true...  :)  In any case, the updates will become MUCH less frequent when 10.04 is officially released.
[22:40] <reborn> if that wouldn't happen , ubuntu could pack it's things and foget about it!
[22:40] <reborn> nobody in his right mind is willing to d/l 100MBytes worth of updates every single day!
[22:41] <reborn> my isp is making a fortune
[22:41] <mc44> plenty of people are. If you're not, feel free to not beta test.
[22:42] <z0rt> i'm testing it on a netbook, really easy that way
[22:42] <trothigar> Is anyone else having trouble with the proprietary nvidia drivers and compiz?
[22:42] <JEEBsv> I'm thinking of maybe selecting some other file system than ext4 this time on my netbook :3
[22:43] <chris4585> trothigar, what kind of trouble?
[22:43] <JEEBsv> Because my SSD is from early 2008, thus slower than an SD card or a USB stick with ext4 >->
[22:43] <trothigar> chris4585, I can't seem to get compiz working
[22:43] <z0rt> is ext4 on a ssd faster?
[22:43] <JEEBsv> ext4 on a normal SSD is quick
[22:43] <Tekno> yes
[22:43] <chris4585> trothigar, try reinstalling compiz-gnome then System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects > Extra
[22:43] <z0rt> cool
[22:44] <nonameNN> trothigar: what video card do you have?
[22:44] <JEEBsv> Mine is just one of those cases of 'holy Hanyuu they got these for cheap'
[22:45] <trothigar> nonameNN: I'm not entirely sure, its a new machine.
[22:45] <trothigar> nonameNN, 7600GT
[22:45] <chun2> Wonder if anyone can help -- when I try to play mp3s in totem, I get this error when it tries to download codecs: "No packages with the requested plugins found [MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder]"
[22:46] <nonameNN> trothigar: go to System - Administration - Hardware Drivers and click on Active so you download the drivers...
[22:46] <chris4585> trothigar, was compiz working before?
[22:46] <trothigar> nonameNN, I have done and they claim to be active, but there're not
[22:47] <trothigar> chris4585, on 9.10 yes, on 10.04b1 I think so also, but this is a new install of 10.04b1 updated fully
[22:48] <chris4585> trothigar, does the window boarder appear? the minimize, maximize, close?
[22:48] <trothigar> chris4585, when?
[22:49] <chris4585> trothigar, right now do you have a maximize, minimize, close option?
[22:49] <trothigar> chris4585, yes
[22:49] <trothigar> chris4585, I'm still running metacity I think
[22:49] <chris4585> trothigar, then I'm not sure, the drivers should work
[22:50] <peterwang> Hi guys. Are you getting any instances of no bootsplash/plymouth on startup for a long time and then plymouth appears for a few short seconds?
[22:50] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Hello again, sorry about that. My Internet connection failed for some inexplicable reason.
[22:50] <chris4585> peterwang, I don't think thats plymouth appearing for a few seconds, I think thats xsplash, and yes I have that on both of my computers
[22:51] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: I don't know if you replied again, but I didn't get anything after "ok, then that makes sense, since we most likely switched pykde to python central in 10.04"
[22:51] <peterwang> chris4585: what's the problem with that then? a forced fcsk run on every boot?
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> cyberkilla: I hadn't written anything further than that
[22:52] <chris4585> peterwang, plymouth doesn't like some drivers I guess, I'd love to see plymouth but I doubt I will
[22:52] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Oh good, I didn't miss anything then;) I'll have to continue searching for a cause or a bug report. If there was some sort of log file for Strigi, it would speed up the process greatly.
[22:53] <peterwang> chris4585: ah. do you have ati cards? because that happens for me with and without fglrx.
[22:53] <trothigar> chris4585, ok thanks for your help
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> cyberkilla: you may get a bit more info about it by restarting nepomuk from the terminal: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Metadata/Nepomuk/TipsAndTricks#Restarting_Nepomuk_and_its_Services
[22:54] <chris4585> trothigar, does compiz work now?
[22:54] <trothigar> chris4585, nope
[22:54] <chris4585> peterwang, I have an intel card and a nvidia card
[22:54] <peterwang> chris4585: oh, and has a bug been filed on this yet?
[22:54] <chris4585> trothigar, then I didn't help, I hope an update fixes it
[22:54] <chris4585> peterwang, I don't know
[22:55] <peterwang> okay, thanks for your help anyways
[22:55] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Thanks again. It was a refreshing change for someone to actually respond to my messages in IRC;)
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> cyberkilla: well, I had done some work on strigi the other day, so I was afraid I had broken something. :D
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> Your nepomukserverrc has convinced me that I hadn't, but I figured I couldn't just leave you hanging ;-)
[22:57] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: :-P
[22:57] <daftykins> hi all, i don't seem to be seeing the 190 or 195 package nvidia driver after adding the nvidia VDPAU PPA ?
[23:07] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Should I have "strigidaemon" installed? It says I need to install the strigi-daemon package to get that command. Could this by why it doesn't start of its own accord?
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> cyberkilla: to get the nepomukserver command? nepomukserver is in kdebase-runtime
[23:11] <cyberkilla> JontheEchidna: Sorry for the confusion. I tried what you suggested (running nepomuk from a console). It doesn't seem to mention anything being wrong. I noticed that a few websites I've read speak of a "strigidaemon" command, which I don't seem to have installed. I'll figure it out on my own and stop hassling you;)
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> back in the olden days (KDE3, it's already been two years, thinking about it...) strigidaemon was used, but nepomuk uses strigi directly these days
[23:17] <scottj> is 10.4 supposed to support the same hardware (suspend on close) as 9.10 (doesn't seem to on my x41t) or is that a known digression bc of dropping hal?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> anyone having themes blow ?
[23:19] <chun2> Wonder if anyone can help -- when I try to play mp3s in totem, I get this error when it tries to download codecs: "No packages with the requested plugins found [MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder]"
[23:19] <lil_cain> Hi, has anyone managed to get a realtek 8192 working on lucid?
[23:20] <lil_cain> I get an error in dmesg about being unable to init the firmware.
[23:21] <git__> is 10.4 release?
[23:21] <lil_cain> I didn't think it was released yet.
[23:22] <lil_cain> lsb-release says it's dev branch anyway
[23:23] <daftykins> git__: see topic; 10.04 is at beta2 right now
[23:42] <bjsnider> daftykins, that was amusing
[23:43] <daftykins> what's that? :)
[23:43] <quidnunc> Why can't I install ifhp?
[23:44] <daftykins> bjsnider: have i done something amusingly stupid? :)
[23:44] <quidnunc> "couldn't find package"
[23:44] <quidnunc> wtf
[23:49] <bjsnider> daftykins, perhaps you should install nvidia-current
[23:49] <daftykins> bjsnider: yeah i just had the replacement all explained to me :)
[23:50] <daftykins> bjsnider: is the idea that you'll be avoiding placing packages on that PPA now entirely?
[23:59] <randomusr_> hello all.


[01:06] <thumper> ugh...
[01:06] <thumper> testing parallism is hard
[02:34] <babbageclunk> review for a small merge to develop anyone? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11116
[02:43] <thumper> babbageclunk: lgtm
[02:43] <babbageclunk> thanks!
[02:43] <babbageclunk> and anastasiamac!
[02:43] <anastasiamac> \o/ same minute :)
[02:44] <anastasiamac> i was telling u on irc that m looking but it erred on me ;(
[02:48] <thumper> lucidone: what was the ubuntu sso issue with launchpad?
[02:48] <thumper> lucidone: do you have a launchpad ID?
[02:51] <lucidone> I have an ubuntuone login, and logging in to launchpad presented an ubuntuone login form which didn't accept my email/password combination
[03:32] <thumper> lucidone: what is your login?
[03:51] <kelvinliu> wallyworld_: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11112 got this PR to add MutatingWebhookConfiguration support, could u take a look when u got time? thanks!
[03:51] <wallyworld_> yup, after meeting
[04:12] <kelvinliu> ty
[04:15] <Bandu> hi
[09:20] <nammn_de> manadart achilleasa pr (show-space) is ready to be reviewed. I still need to run qa on aws. Maas qa seems to be fine. Output and design doc is linked. I still need to match the output a little by adding a custom parser. Though codewise is mostly done: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11088
[09:21] <nammn_de> so I am happy for the first in review :D
[09:23] <nammn_de> and would be great if you have some error cases in mind as you have a lot of knowledge in spaces
[10:02] <nammn_de> rick_h:^ for the output of the command. Im thinking about having a --long output which includes subnets sub information and without
[10:23] <manadart> nammn_de: Finished reviewing.
[10:42] <manadart> For review: https://github.com/juju/description/pull/71
[10:46] <achilleasa> manadart: looking
[10:54] <nammn_de> manadart: great thanks for the review! Almost done, just don't understand this comment: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11088#discussion_r366786850
[10:54] <nammn_de> do you mean rename it to EntityParams?
[10:57] <manadart> nammn_de: Sorry, I meant `params.Entities`.
[11:29] <nammn_de> manadart: I have written some tests for applications and machinecount before I moved the methods out of space to a shim to decouple them. The tests itself are a little big and I wouldn't call them unit test as they are using state quite a lot.
[11:29] <nammn_de> https://github.com/nammn/juju/blob/0f681aff1d504fe2323a082e9ecbaa20cf027259/state/spaces_test.go#L81
[11:29] <nammn_de> What do you suggest doing with them? Moving them? Changing them?  Removing altogether? TestApplications and TestMachineCount
[17:03] <nammn_de> hml: i tried to incorporate your feedback on creating stubs and did it the following way: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11088/files (under apiserver/...). The tests itselfes still needs to be added. Just want to know if thats what you meant]
[17:03] <hml> nammn_de: looking
[17:06] <nammn_de> hml: I tried to not import state in apiserver
[17:24] <hml> nammn_de:  the common apiserver code is used to pull in common functionality for the apis to use.  not for use by the apiserver side code itself.
[17:25] <hml> nammn_de: Life() is a good example. and used all over.
[17:25] <hml> nammn_de: there is a common LifeGetter.
[17:26] <hml> nammn_de:  pulling the machine common into network common looks odd to me.
[17:30] <hml> nammn_de:  in apiserver/…/spaces/ you can add a Machine interface to be used by the stateShim.  it only needs to implement AddressesBySpaceID() at first glance
[17:42] <achilleasa> hml: got one question for utils/306
[17:43] <hml> achilleasa:  just a sec
[17:44] <hml> achilleasa:  sure, what’s up?
[17:44] <achilleasa> hml: just a comment about whether that func must be public
[17:45] <hml> achilleasa:  yeah, it doesn’t have to be, i was following the precendent in the pkg already
[17:45] <hml> achilleasa:  I could go either way on that
[17:46] <achilleasa> hml: I think having one entrypoint and delegating to different impls based on the args is cleaner. In this case, the two functions have almost (variadic vs slice for certs) the same signature
[17:46] <hml> achilleasa:  sure, i can do that
[17:52] <achilleasa> hml: as I will EOD in a couple of min, do you want to take a stab at the install hook for k8s? Unless I'm mistaken, it should be a matter for removing an if block somewhere...
[17:52] <hml> achilleasa:  sounds like fun!  :-) a nice change from docs
[17:53] <nammn_de> hml, : thanks I will keep that in mind, I am still sometimes in a state of figuring out which package is meant for what
[17:55] <hml> nammn_de: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/xC2zxW8DBV/
[17:55] <hml> nammn_de: it’s interesting figuring those bits out.
[17:56] <nammn_de> hml, : great! yeah it is, asking a lot and reading it up helps me a lot, thanks again
[17:56] <hml> nammn_de: also put a hint about using collections/set NewStrings() in your pr too.
[17:56] <hml> it’s very useful!
[18:00] <nammn_de> hml,: will do :)!
[21:42] <kelvinliu> wallyworld_: a quick one, forward port webhook pr to 2.7
[21:42] <kelvinliu> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11118
[21:42] <kelvinliu> thanks!
[21:43] <wallyworld_> kelvinliu: lgtm
[21:43] <kelvinliu> ty


[18:06] <Tiber> that shut down thing was because of nvidia drivers
[18:08] <Tiber> maybe sdd and some other errors still are there, but dosen't matter coz i don't use that laptop that much
[18:09] <Tiber> just for moveble pc osciloscoping and arduino things. don't know yet


 I tried on same port , it still not visible in that
[02:45] <TJ-> metpr The USB vendor:device ID strongly suggests the device claimed a fake capacity (has much smaller than claimed) and writing to it caused its fake firmware to fail. This is a common problem although it was more common a few years ago when large capacity devices were more expensive
 Has anyone else managed to put a dark theme system wide, as in on file manager, task manager and everywhere
 The only that sucks about lubuntu is the bright af theme
[02:51] <kc2bez> @JoyTheGreat7 I use Kvantum and it works well for me. https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/screenshot-thread/221/5?u=kc2bez
 How can i check if it was showing fake capacity ! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <TJ-> metpr The USB vendor:device ID strongly suggests the device claimed a fake capacity (has much smaller than claimed) and writing to it caused its fake firmware to fail. This is a common problem although it was more common a few years ago when large capacity devices were more expensive)
 Is there any way to use that usb normally as before
[03:21] <TJ-> metpr once they get corrupted firmware thats it - if that is the case then throw it away.
 Oh if its not the case then
[03:22] <TJ-> metpr the device reporting the vendor ID as ffff is the sign it is likey corrupted and the cause was likely it is a fake. What capacity did it claim to be originally, and how long ago was it purchased?
 32 gb
 It was showing 29 gb usable
 Just 2 months ago
 I first time used it for boot linux , my bad luck i should have gone with 4 gb stick ,
 I have 1 more similar 32 gb stick , btw its working fine
[03:24] <TJ-> a few years ago many that claimed to be 32GB were actually 4 or 8GB (the better fakes wrapped around writes to them so for a really-4GB-device the first 4GB written to it was fine but then it would return to offset 0 for the 2nd 4GB ... the bad fakes managed to currupt their own firmware when the writes wrap around
[03:25] <TJ-> metpr what does "lsusb" report the ID of the other good USB ?
 Let me check wait
[03:25] <TJ-> and what brand/make/model do these claim to be?
[03:25] <TJ-> Maybe we can at least determine if these are reported as fakes already
[03:25] <TJ-> It is possible you just had bad luck with one
 Yh i found the result of lsusb
[03:30] <TJ-> metpr what is the reported ID of that good device?
[03:31] <TJ-> The bad one was ffff:1201
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/7d51a0ea/file_3195.jpg
 Ahh its gift from my friend , the company's name is jakson (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <TJ-> and what brand/make/model do these claim to be?)
 I forgot the command i put to find this result , 😅 (re @metpr: )
[03:34] <TJ-> 048d:1234 ... that ID having "1234"  sounds made-up to me -- too convenient. I'll do some digging
 Okey mate
[03:35] <TJ-> metpr initial results suggest these devices have a buggy controller made by ChipBank and there may be (MS Windows) software to repair them
 Okey so can u suggest me what to do with it
[03:46] <TJ-> metpr throw it away - if it has corrupted, even if you could repair it partially, you cannot trust it again. The recovery process is complicated and usually requires using Windows tools that come from questionable sources too, which is never good
 Okey
 And the usb which is working
 Should i throw it too
 Yeah I tried installing kvantum, but it affected everything except the file manager, (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez> @JoyTheGreat7 I use Kvantum and it works well for me. https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/screenshot-thread/221/5?u=kc2bez)
[03:57] <TJ-> metpr no, but don't write too much to it. Assume it is 4GB for safety. There is a tool to allow you to test its capacity
 Okey i will use minimum then
[03:59] <TJ-> metpr we have the package "f3" that can test a device for being a fake
 How to use it , any guide to use it (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <TJ-> metpr we have the package "f3" that can test a device for being a fake)
[03:59] <TJ-> metpr install that, read its man-page, and test the remaining currently-good device. It might even give some understandable results for the bad device
 Where is that f3 package ! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <TJ-> metpr install that, read its man-page, and test the remaining currently-good device. It might even give some understandable results for the bad device)
[04:01] <TJ-> metpr see http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man1/f3probe.1.html
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[04:02] <TJ-> metpr there are other executable tools in that package as well, f3read, f3write, f3fix, f3brew. A very long time since I used them so can't help other than telling you to read the man pages for each
 Its so technical
 Okey sure (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <TJ-> metpr there are other executable tools in that package as well, f3read, f3write, f3fix, f3brew. A very long time since I used them so can't help other than telling you to read the man pages for each)
[04:03] <TJ-> All computing is technical!
[04:04] <TJ-> It is a miracle that anything ever works at all
 Yups lol
[04:04] <TJ-> right now our computers are executing billions of instructions every second, for hours/days/weeks on end
[04:04] <TJ-> most of those instructions are "idle"
 I hope this f3 don't corrupt my usable pendrive
[04:08] <TJ-> metpr if you use f3write it could... but then again, if the device is that poor better the test programs do it than it eats your data later
[04:08] <TJ-> metpr don't put anything on that USB that you don't have backups of, for sure
 Okey
 Thanks for help mate