[00:28] <blackboxsw> smoser: pushed WIP branch. started adding unit tests https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/fix-ds-identify-vmware-ovf
[00:28] <blackboxsw> ->dinner
[01:21] <dojordan> hey folks, any idea about this pylint error? Cell variable section_name defined in loop
[01:25] <smoser> dojordan: more context ?
[01:27] <dojordan> for section_name in ('PlatformSettingsSection', 'PlatformSettings', 'PreprovisionedVm'):
[01:27] <dojordan> sections = find_child(section, lambda n: n.localName == section_name)
[01:27] <smoser> do you use section_name outside the loop ?
[01:27] <dojordan> nope
[01:30] <dojordan> ah think i may have found it
[01:31] <dojordan> i was using sections outside the loop
[01:32] <smoser> maybe chttps://stackoverflow.com/questions/25314547/cell-var-from-loop-warning-from-pylint
[01:32] <smoser> some context there.
[01:32] <smoser> if you run with '--output-format=parseable' you get the code nubmer (W0640)
[01:33] <dojordan> haha i was on that page. but good idea
[01:34] <smoser> the answer there is probably as good as i would be able to give you and it'd take me a minute to fully grock it too
[01:34] <smoser> :)
[11:38] <catmando> hey all
[11:43] <catmando> question: i want to disable datasources completely: i've set ```datasource_list: ['None']``` but when an instance comes up it still takes a _very_ long time looking for metadata (e.g.: ``` Calling 'http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/meta-data/instance-id```)
[12:51] <sinanp> Hi, how can I add peerdns=no to the ifcfg configuration file?
[13:18] <ybaumy> smoser: remember we talked about datasources in foreman. there is a rpm ruby gem userdata for foreman
[13:19] <ybaumy> smoser: its nocloud datasource
[13:19] <ybaumy> smoser: but only for userdata
[13:20] <ybaumy> smoser: i couldnt test it yet completly because i have problems with my templates
[13:27] <sinanp> Shouldn't this create an user account including the provided password and public key? https://pastebin.com/J7J6cZ9X
[13:31] <sinanp> It doesn't create any user...
[15:30] <sinanp> smoser: Thanks! Have it working now. Any clue how to have peerdns=no in the ifcfg-eth0 file?
[15:32] <smoser> sinanp: probably not able to.
[15:33] <sinanp> Ah ok :) Thanks
[16:02] <sinanp> And another problem :) Shouldn't "disable_root: 1" disable root login over SSH? It doesn't disable it...
[16:41] <smoser> sinanp: it disables it with the keys that you gave.
[18:34] <smoser> rharper: i didnt realize that we were *not* running pylint for python2 and python3
[18:34] <smoser> we do that in curtin
[18:34] <smoser> hm..
[18:35] <rharper> right, we have a py27-pylint and py3-pylint in curtin
[18:35] <rharper> vs. just 'pylint' in cloud-init
[18:35] <rharper> I thought it was only python3 based due to the default env; but I didn't verify
[18:36] <rharper> do you want me to fix up top to use py27-/py3 pylints ?
[18:36] <rharper> with the exception of no py27 on cloud-tests ?
[18:36] <smoser> ipm not even sure.
[18:36] <rharper> and what do you want to do about tools ?
[18:36] <smoser> which it woudl pick.
[18:36] <smoser> i'll fix tools it cant be that hard.
[18:36] <smoser> i'm just tsarted looking at your branch.
[18:36] <smoser> i'll see.
[18:37] <rharper> ok
[18:37] <rharper> one was optparse
[18:37] <rharper> I didn't really want to rewrite that to argparse; seemed hardly worth it, not knowing how often that tool is used
[18:37] <rharper> the other one about a missing default parametter to the mime-type finder wasn't very obvious where we need to set a default value
[18:47] <smoser> harlowja: tools/hacking.py ...
[18:47] <smoser> why does that exist ?
[18:47] <harlowja> sup dawg
[18:47] <harlowja> let me see
[18:49] <harlowja> i think it was before time
[18:49] <smoser> hm..
[18:49] <harlowja> before https://pypi.python.org/pypi/hacking came to existence
[18:49] <harlowja> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/hacking was born
[18:49] <harlowja> so that file can die
[18:49] <harlowja> lol
[18:49] <smoser> right
[18:49] <smoser> and we have hacking in our flake8
[18:49] <smoser> so we get it.
[18:49] <smoser> thanks
[18:51] <harlowja> yup
[18:51] <harlowja> kill its
[19:22] <smoser> rharper: https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/fix/cloud-test-add-pylint-and-fix
[19:22] <rharper> whoa
[19:23] <rharper> what's the trailing slash do ?
[19:23] <smoser> i dont know. :)
[19:23] <rharper> hehe
[19:23] <smoser> i thikn it would then go searching for modules in that directory
[19:23] <rharper> freaky
[19:23] <smoser> versus treating that as a module
[19:23] <smoser> try it though i'm pretty sure you can reproduce
[19:27] <rharper> I'm sure I can, just kinda boggles my mind
[19:29] <smoser> well, anyway, with those changes tip-pylint works also
[19:29] <smoser> andd tools/ is clean
[19:29] <smoser> or 'tools'' rather
[19:30] <rharper> hehe
[19:30] <rharper> pulling your branch now
[19:30] <smoser> and drop the metadata bit
[19:30] <smoser> i did not intend to get that to you
[19:30] <smoser> it was in my working dir ithink
[19:30] <rharper> oh, did you drop that already ?
[19:30] <rharper> in your branch ? or do I still need to ?
[19:31] <rharper> powersj was asking about that
[19:31] <powersj> yeah it was in your diff yesterday
[19:31] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334780
[19:31] <smoser> that was how i found out that integration tests were busted
[19:31] <smoser> i was going to run integration test on m y changes
[19:31] <smoser> and found it broken
[19:32] <smoser> and t hen wentn off to try to get pylint going
[19:32] <smoser> and then handed that off to you
[19:32] <powersj> what a chain of events :)
[19:32] <smoser> so i'd say drop that commit
[19:32] <rharper> right, I just meant did you drop that delta out of the pylint branch in the thing you just  proposed to merge into my pylint branch ?
[19:32] <smoser> and we can pull it in separately.
[19:32] <smoser> just git rebase -i master
[19:32] <smoser> and delete it
[19:32] <smoser> then after your merge we'llg rab mine
[19:32] <rharper> well, it's not a separate commit
[19:33] <rharper> so I was going to find out which bits were unneeded and diff them out in a another commit and squash during rebase
[19:33] <smoser> oh its not ?
[19:33] <rharper> it's the "what bits do I need to drop" that I'm asking for
[19:33] <smoser> :-(
[19:33] <rharper> I don't know
[19:33] <rharper> that's what I've been asking
[19:33] <rharper> I'm generally not aware of which files were the "metadata" changes that powersj  and smoser are speaking of
[19:33] <smoser> well, its in that mp there. probably will patch -R off if you wanted to
[19:34] <rharper> ok
[19:34] <rharper> that works
[19:34]  * rharper patch -Rs
[19:34] <smoser> git show 612f9896330e | patch -p1 -R
[19:34] <smoser> one hunk failed
[19:34] <smoser> i'll get it
[19:36] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26134634/
[19:36] <rharper> I did: git diff -r master <path to both files>
[19:36] <rharper> and then I can patch -p1 -R  <that diff> and it applies cleanly to revert those changes
[19:36] <rharper> look sane ?
[19:39] <dpb1> nice blog post bbsw: https://twitter.com/davidpbritton/status/938160996136271872
[19:39] <smoser> i think so
[19:39] <rharper> k, pushing again to my branch
[19:39] <rharper> I commited the revert and squashed into my first commit
[19:40] <rharper> ok
[19:40] <rharper> https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334868
[19:40] <rharper> that looks better
[19:42] <smoser> mention removal of tools/hacking.py (obsolete)
[19:42] <smoser> and then i thikn happy
[19:42] <smoser> assuming c-i is
[19:43] <rharper> man, really don';t like cloud-images not having apt sources update data in them
[19:43] <rharper> smoser: did we file a bug on that?
[19:43] <rharper> apt install foo breaks until you apt update first
[19:43] <rharper> on daily images , no less
[19:44] <rharper> you noticed that ?
[19:44] <smoser> ?
[19:44] <rharper> I just launched daily bionic, sudo apt install tree
[19:44] <rharper> fails, I have to apt update first
[19:44] <smoser> well, youc ant really do anythign about bionic
[19:44] <smoser> development release is basiclaly guaranteed to have out of date apt
[19:44] <rharper> ok, on arful
[19:44] <rharper> on xenial
[19:44] <rharper> on zesty
[19:44] <rharper> it's the new thing
[19:45] <rharper> same in lxd images too
[19:45] <smoser> i think that released iamges should have the frozen release pocket up to date in the image.
[19:45] <rharper> launch a new one, lxc launch ubuntu-daily:xenial x1
[19:45] <rharper> pretty sure it was broken there too
[19:48] <rharper> smoser: I didn't squash your three commits; I'll do that and add their changes to the commit message, wait for ci and then push to master
[19:50] <rharper> Tridactyl (Vimperator/Pentadactyl's successor).
[19:51] <rharper> smoser: surely you've tried this in ff57+;  i really wanted to switch to ff, but the input-box editor is missing (using wasavi on chrome for that now)
[19:51] <smoser> oh ther is one.
[19:51] <smoser> i use it.
[19:51] <smoser> let me find
[19:51] <smoser> i have tridactlyl installed not really using it though
[19:53] <smoser> https://github.com/jlebon/textern
[19:53] <smoser> and 'xvim' is the editor i invoke
[19:53] <smoser>  https://gist.github.com/smoser/1ee3f2b223717625c5f4
[19:53] <smoser> ie, my editor configured is ['xvim', 'block']
[19:56] <rharper> nice
[19:56] <rharper> does that get your input box editing ?
[19:56] <smoser> text area, i hit 'ctrl-I'
[19:57] <rharper> nice!
[19:57] <smoser> like i did before and gnome-terminal window pop up
[19:57] <rharper> I couldn't get textern to work when I tried it a few weeks ago
[19:57] <rharper> but I used gvim
[19:57] <rharper> so maybe xvim will do the trick
[19:57] <smoser> yeah i dont liek gvim
[19:57] <smoser> gvim will work fine
[19:57] <rharper> huh, not for my system, probably a win manager thingy
[19:57] <smoser> i just dont like the mouse i think always messed me up
[19:57] <smoser> on paste and things.
[19:57] <rharper> got some xmonad here
[19:58] <smoser> oh. i dont know. it does work for me. i dont remembered every thing i did. i just followed the doc it had
[20:06] <smoser> rharper: so it looks like, on xenial the images have these
[20:08] <smoser> oh man
[20:08] <smoser> looks like haste is dead
[20:08] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26134814/
[20:08] <smoser> so in /var/lib/apt/lists/ on xenial daily we have lists present for
[20:09] <smoser>  xenial-updates mmain restricted
[20:09] <smoser>  xenial main restricted
[20:09] <smoser>  security main restricted
[20:09] <smoser> no universe or multiverse or backports
[20:09] <smoser> which are all going to be pulled when you type 'apt-get update'
[20:10] <smoser> i've had discussions with rbasak about this before
[20:10] <smoser> and i think the right thing to do would be to include only the "frozen" data
[20:10] <smoser> ie,
[20:10] <smoser>  xenial main restricted universe multiverse
[20:11] <smoser> removing those files from the iamge just causes the user to have to download them and get the exact same thing as they could have been given in the image.
[20:11] <smoser> for xenial-updates and security, it somewhat makes sense to have those out of date
[20:12] <smoser> er... somewhat makes sense to not have those at all
[20:12] <smoser> as they're basically guaranteed to be out of date.
[20:12] <smoser> i think what we have now is probably just  happenstance or regression
[20:12] <smoser> but one could probably argue that its best to have nothing in there
[20:12] <smoser> which will force a user to 'apt-get update'
[20:13] <smoser> because if they had only the 'frozen' bits, then they could 'apt-get install foo' and get a vulnerable 'foo'
[20:13] <smoser> but that comes at a big cost
[20:14] <smoser> on mirrors and data download and cpu decompression that.
[20:35] <rharper> yeah
[20:36] <rharper> well, it feels different, for better or for worse
[20:36] <smoser> it may well have changed.
[20:36] <smoser> i didnt check that
[20:36] <rharper> daily images, for example are unlikely to get a security vulnerable one if they included up-to-date cached files
[20:36] <smoser> and it feels wrong to me to have 'main' and 'universe' there but no multiverse or backports
[20:36] <rharper> I think that's my gripe, if I'm already downloading a daily
[20:36] <rharper> it shouldn't be out of date
[20:36] <smoser> if the user is just going to get them on first 'apt-get update'
[20:36] <smoser> (and gets them by default on an install)
[20:36] <smoser> so.
[20:37] <smoser> your tests failed in centos6
[20:37] <smoser> the unittest there is to old to have assertRaisesRegex
[20:37] <rharper> how does tox not find that ?
[20:37] <rharper> oh, have to run tox *in* centos6
[20:37] <rharper> that's py26, right ?
[20:38] <smoser> yeah. and with system packages. yeah.
[20:38] <rharper> urg
[20:38] <smoser> i think easiest thing tpo do is just use the 'ignore' comment
[20:38] <rharper> no pip unittest magic ?
[20:38] <rharper> yeah
[20:38] <smoser> oh. acutally
[20:39] <smoser> oh.
[20:40] <smoser> i think that unittest is builtin to python
[20:40] <smoser> so we're using the one from python2.6 installed there.
[20:41] <rharper> right, was wondering if we could somehow upgrade it; but I suspect not as easily as # pylint: disable=FOO
[20:44] <smoser> well, helpers could patch smpething in
[20:44] <smoser> oh. actually...
[20:48] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26134987/
[20:48] <smoser> rharper: ^
[20:48] <smoser> try that
[20:48] <rharper> oh, heh
[20:48] <rharper> what happens is that pylint will mark that line as using depricated method
[20:49] <rharper> then we hae to mark #pylint: disabled=W1505 there
[20:49] <rharper> now, we have two call sites
[20:49] <rharper> we could add that and the disable, and then we'd be free to always use Regex
[20:49] <rharper> thoughts?
[20:50] <smoser> ?
[20:50] <smoser> cant we just monkey patch it like that and use the new name ?
[20:51] <rharper> we can, but we'll still get the warning, now on cloudinit/tests/helpers.py
[20:51] <rharper> but I think that's better to do it in one place
[20:51] <smoser> sure. but then its one place to coment and it has a text coment saying why
[20:51] <rharper> prolly should move the parse_and_read() method to helpers too
[20:51] <rharper> yes
[20:51] <rharper> I'll do that as well for the ConfigParser
[20:52] <smoser> ok. i got to go afk for a bit. biab
[20:52] <rharper> k
[21:00] <dojordan> @blackboxsw, can you take a look? I responded to the comments which i didn't fix, the rest are fixed
[21:00] <dojordan> https://code.launchpad.net/~dojordan/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334341
[21:20] <smoser> rharper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26135182/
[21:20] <smoser> i think that atually works. i had '2' in the wrong place :)
[21:22] <rharper> ah
[21:22] <rharper> yeah, was just debugging that
[21:23] <smoser> i think pylint wont even complain.
[21:24] <rharper> so, how does pylint get executed in py27 ?
[21:24] <rharper> on curtin we have those py27-pylint and p3-pylint targets which set base-python = ...
[21:24] <smoser> it doesnt
[21:24] <rharper> hrm
[21:25] <rharper> do we not care then ?
[21:25] <smoser> we can absolutely follow like curtin did/does
[21:25] <smoser> and have explicit ones
[21:25] <smoser> the thing i dont like about it is that... slow
[21:25] <rharper> yeah
[21:25] <rharper> well, in cloud-init we run .pylintrc with jobs=4
[21:25] <rharper> so it does run in parallel
[21:25] <smoser> still slow
[21:25] <rharper> which is pretty nice
[21:25] <rharper> yes
[21:27] <smoser> i'm not opposed to it.
[21:27] <smoser> but i dont think we *have* to do it right now
[21:27] <smoser> i like to give future smoser some reason to think past smoser was an idiot
[21:30] <smoser> tox -e pylint on diglett takes 1m28 seconds
[21:30] <smoser> bso adding another of those just seems costly.
[21:30] <smoser> without tools/ and tests/ it was only 30s ish
[21:32] <rharper> what's the total tox run ?
[21:33] <rharper> boo
[21:41] <smoser> 2m26
[21:41] <smoser> 1m30 of that to tox
[21:42] <smoser> er.. to pyklint
[21:42] <rharper> man, can't win;
[21:43] <rharper> with the centos fix, tox -e pylint fails
[21:43] <smoser> i think just for now do pylint on python3 only.
[21:43] <smoser> ?
[21:43] <rharper> even though unittest2.TestCase has both attributes
[21:43] <rharper> if I comment out your patch
[21:43] <rharper> it passes
[21:45] <rharper> smoser: well, we can demote pylint to something like tip-pylint
[21:45] <rharper> present, but not always run ?
[21:45] <rharper> I think we don't lint on package build anyhow, right ?
[21:45] <rharper> do we tox on package build ?
[21:45] <rharper> or just unittest
[21:47] <smoser> well we want to run pylint . i am fine with 1x that cost
[21:47] <smoser> not 2x
[21:47] <smoser> and yeah, we can add a py2-pylint that only runs on manual
[21:47] <smoser> but i dont think we really need to.
[21:47] <rharper> I still can't figure out why it's failing with your cent6 fix
[21:47] <rharper> it doesn't make any sense; the fix-up path isn't taken at all
[21:48] <rharper> https://github.com/PyCQA/pylint/issues/1653
[22:00] <dojordan> :q!
[22:00] <dojordan> (whoops)
[22:01] <rharper> smoser: so I'd like to drop the cent6 2.6 pylint fix unless you can figure out how to fix that;  and just skip running pylint on the package builds;
[22:01] <smoser> oh. its not actually pylint that complained
[22:01] <smoser> it was a unit test complaining
[22:01] <smoser> right?
[22:02] <rharper> ah, lemme see
[22:03] <rharper> yeah
[22:03] <rharper>     self.assertRaisesRegex(util.ProcessExecutionError
[22:03] <rharper>  /test_util.py", line 698, in test_subp_warn_missing_shebang
[22:03] <rharper>     self.assertRaisesRegex(util.ProcessExecutionError
[22:03] <rharper> the fix you had will work but pylint blows up on it
[22:04] <rharper> and I can't figure it out
[22:04] <rharper> so, I guess we leave it as Regexp and mark them disables
[22:04] <rharper> what a pita
[22:12] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26135444/
[22:12] <smoser> rharper: ignore the basepython thing in that patch
[22:12] <smoser> and that runs for me (make unittest) in centos6
[22:13] <rharper> wow
[22:13] <rharper> how did you figure that one out?
[22:13] <smoser> it was juts comp;laining that the thing was an integer
[22:13] <rharper> but I don't like not using assertRaises*
[22:13] <smoser> it still uses it.
[22:13] <smoser> just the context_manager.exception.code
[22:13] <smoser> is wht differs
[22:13] <rharper> oh, my failure is on ubuntu
[22:14] <rharper> with that the older assertRaisesRegexp fix
[22:14] <rharper> tox -e pylint on my ubuntu system fails
[22:14] <rharper> saying we're using deprecated methods
[22:14] <rharper> Regex
[22:14] <rharper> which 1) isn't deprecated  2)  hasn't been patched
[22:15] <rharper> I hadn't yet run under centos again
[22:15] <smoser> https://docs.python.org/3/library/unittest.html#unittest.TestCase.assertRaisesRegex
[22:15] <rharper> was still trying to get a clean tox run on ubuntu first and added your older unittest2 fix for centos to test in a bit but; it won't pass pylint for me
[22:15] <smoser> it may not be deprecated, but it deffinintely not renamed
[22:15] <rharper> https://github.com/PyCQA/pylint/issues/1653
[22:18] <smoser> that is odd.
[22:19] <smoser> ugh
[22:19] <rharper> yeah
[22:19] <rharper> exactly
[22:23] <smoser> rharper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26135510/
[22:24] <smoser> that i thikn is happy everywhre
[22:24] <smoser> stupid
[22:24] <smoser> that is on top of 5335e1632ddabdbad9ffb011720929ae4cd8ebe3
[22:27] <smoser> oh boy
[22:27] <smoser> hten i realize that Makefile (that runs 'nosetests' only runs on tests/ not on cloudinit)
[22:27] <smoser> gah
[22:28] <rharper> man, what a rat hole
[22:28] <smoser> misplaced 2 again
[22:28] <rharper> wow, what is that tricky bit ?
[22:28] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26135531/
[22:29] <rharper> how does that help ?
[22:29] <smoser> that worked in 'tox '
[22:29] <rharper> I fail to see what tox found the first time
[22:29] <rharper> so the "fix" is just as mystical to me too
[22:29] <smoser> and it works in 'make unittest' in centos6
[22:29] <smoser> the '_tricky' part there is complete crap
[22:29] <rharper> k
[22:29] <rharper> yeah
[22:30] <smoser> what i think is happening is that pylint is looking for Regexp to go complaining
[22:30] <smoser> and realiaes that the thing we're calling is == that other thing
[22:30] <rharper> yeah
[22:30] <smoser> but then now its not strictly equal
[22:30] <rharper> lemme get both those in my branch now
[22:30] <rharper> right
[22:30] <smoser> all problems solved by anbother level of indirection :)
[22:31] <smoser> oh. i was wrong.  'make unittest' *does* run with cloudinit
[22:31] <smoser> so thats good.
[22:31] <smoser> i thikn we're set here.
[22:31] <smoser> you get that, push it, and  maybe we'll be happy!
[22:31] <smoser> maybe
[22:31] <smoser> and on that note, /me is out
[22:33] <rharper> ok
[22:33] <rharper> thanks


[00:32] <BiosElement> The Evil Overlord List
[00:32] <BiosElement> "It is never necessary to store explosive materials and/or fuel anywhere near my central control or computer complex.  If for some reason such a situation should come about, they will not be in the same room as the central computer.  They will be in a concrete bunker protected by blast doors and fire prevention systems.  The same goes for the vats of toxic waste, acids, and super-cold liquids."
[00:32] <BiosElement> http://legendspbem.angelfire.com/eviloverlordlist.html >.>
[01:03] <canthus13> BiosElement: Eh? Since when? You *MUST* store explosives in your NOC. it's a building code requirement.  And I thought angelfire was gone...
[01:31] <Cheri703> every day I hate this printer more and more :(
[01:36] <Unit1931> Did you see the Sunday office max ad? Brother laster printer (only) $60(?)
[01:37] <canthus13> laster printer?
[01:37]  * canthus13 wants a firster printer.
[01:38]  * canthus13 has to hand-feed his hp one sheet at a time because it won't feed itself.  It's like having a quadroplegic around.
[01:38] <Unit1931> It's not a network printer
[01:39] <canthus13> So? Any printer is a network printer if you share it. :P
[01:39] <Cheri703> no, I didn't see that, I'll take a look
[01:39] <Cheri703> I'd like to have color (ideal) and I'd like to duplex if possible
[01:39] <Unit1931> Do you have the ad?
[01:40] <Cheri703> I get their emails, and I'm actually on their site atm
[01:41] <Cheri703> there's a brother color inkjet for that price, not seeing a laser
[01:43] <Unit1931> Cheri703: Brother Laser HL2240 (bit off on price $70)
[01:44] <Cheri703> rawr firefox, stop being dumb!
[01:44] <Cheri703> I'll look, thanks
[01:45] <Cheri703> iiiinteresting
[01:45] <Unit1931> "Brother Color Inkjet Wireless All-in-One" $60
[01:45] <Cheri703> it's on the list, thanks :)
[01:45] <Cheri703> yeah, seeing that, eyeing the $80 one though, looks like it has better reviews
[01:47] <Unit1931> My hand smells like icing...
[01:48] <Cheri703> better than MAAAAANY other things it could smell like
[01:48] <Unit1931> Very true...
[03:19] <Cheri703> so I think I found the printer I will get if I get a printer
[03:41] <Unit1931> What one?
[03:41] <Cheri703> epson stylus nx625
[03:41] <Cheri703> auto duplexing = win
[03:41] <Cheri703> and it's $99 available locally
[03:42] <Cheri703> so just trying to decide if it's worth the money with looming unemployment possible :/
[03:42] <Unit1931> Wireless too!
[03:42] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:42] <Cheri703> would be really nice for printing up stuff for getting my business going
[03:43] <Unit1931> Your own business?
[03:46] <Cheri703> yeah, my Tech Hero thing
[03:46] <Cheri703> helping with computers and such
[03:46] <Unit1931> I think I remember that... older people, right?
[03:47] <Cheri703> yeah, anyone really, but yeah
[03:49] <Unit1931> If you try that, I'd like to know when and what you do (maybe tell people that need help)\
[03:52] <Cheri703> ok, I sort of have it going now, just need to get the word out
[03:52] <Cheri703> need to print more business cards, but my printer keeps eating them :(
[03:57] <Unit1931> Do you have any sort of list? (h/w, data recovery, OS Install, Macs, servers, etc)
[04:00] <Cheri703> yeah, it's a fairly basic list that should end with "if not listed, ask"
[04:00] <Cheri703> I'll get it to you sometime soon
[05:02] <Unit1931> Did anyone else get that?
[05:02] <canthus13> Get what?
[05:02] <canthus13> Teh netsplit?
[05:04] <Unit1931> Just making sure I'm not crazy... or more crazy...
[05:05] <canthus13> we're *ALL* a bit... crazy... here.
[05:53] <BiosElement> Why canthus13, I'm not crazy....it's the world that's crazy. ;P
[19:46] <BiosElement> Heads up for those who may have missed: http://www.humblebundle.com/ <--If you like PC games, you must click that. >.>
[19:57] <canthus13> BiosElement: bought it earlier this year.
[19:57] <BiosElement> canthus13, No you didn't. ;)
[19:58] <BiosElement> Heads up, that's a 'new' humble bundle
[20:02]  * BiosElement kicks canthus13 until he checks if he wants it >.>
[20:02]  * BiosElement won't let anyone miss it :P
[20:02] <BiosElement> Oh yeah and I'm poor atm so make sure to keep up the badass Linux average of 14.11 bucks :D
[20:03] <BiosElement> We're yet again doubling macs
[20:42] <canthus13> Hmm.
[20:43] <canthus13> Well, I'll definitely get that for my kids. :)
[20:46] <canthus13> Hah. someone paid 313.37


[00:00] <phillw> I was dragged, kicking and screaming, from ext3 :)
[00:00] <xnox> phillw: i don't like ext4, imho ext3 was a better balance of features.
[00:00]  * zooko is just about finished making his own lubuntu installer iso with the latest and sizzling-hottest btrfs in kernel 3.14
[00:01] <phillw> zooko: if you ever need help to make the alternate ISO, give me a ping on #phillw
[00:02] <zooko> phillw Thanks!
[00:04] <phillw> xnox:  last I heard btrfs was not ready for boot partition, but flies like shit off a shovel as compared to ext3/4
[00:08] <xnox> phillw: ubuntu can have btrfs as boot partition since 12.04 i believe
[00:08] <xnox> phillw: surbi wrote that.
[00:10] <phillw> xnox: indeed it can, but last time I looked up on btrfs site, they did not advise it for /boot partition... but that is a couple of years ago :)
[00:11] <Unit193> xnox: When can I get ZFS in Ubiquity with a patched kernel? :---D
[00:11] <Unit193> Anyway, this is all a bit offtopic.
[00:12] <phillw> Unit193: sorry... xnox can you pop over to #phillw before the irc police kick us off :)
[00:12] <xnox> Unit193: when it's legal.
[00:12] <Unit193> phillw: Why there?  Why not #lubuntu-offtopic?
[00:12] <Unit193> xnox: Thought it was as long as ZFS in linux itself wasn't shipped.
[00:13] <Unit193> Bleh, dang licenses.
[00:13] <xnox> phillw: advertising irc channels is against ubuntu irc and freenode policy. "#phillw" sounds like a channel advert to me =))))
[00:13] <Unit193> Indeed.
[00:13] <xnox> Unit193: ZFS as a dkms module is fine, but that does not help the installer or having it as root & boot partition.
[00:14] <phillw> Unit193: because I'm chatting to him? xnox when you have primary channel it is not advertising... please do check with freenode :)
[00:14] <Unit193> Right, you don't have to just use dkms, but anywho.
[00:14] <Unit193> phillw: Sure it is.
[00:15]  * phillw bored
[00:15] <phillw> just ban me....
[00:17] <phillw> i left ubuntu council rules because of silly rules.... you are chatting to someone who would not call emergency services if a fire broke out at one of their meetings.
[00:19] <phillw> Unit193: please do me the favour of kick-banning me from #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic to prove your worth as an irc police man.
[00:19] <Unit193> phillw: Please, don't go doing this again.
[00:20] <phillw> Unit193: you started the "do not ask people to #phillw" stuff.... So, finish what you started
[07:01] <MaxFrames> hello
[07:01] <MaxFrames> I am having a series of problems, need help
[07:01] <hateball> !details
[07:01] <MaxFrames> first of all I inadvertedly clicked on the "don't display this message again" option when the network manager notified me that it could not connect to a vpn
[07:02] <MaxFrames> I can't figure out how to reactivate that kind of notification
[07:02] <MaxFrames> the instructions for ubuntu (like using gconf-editor) don't work
[07:03] <MaxFrames> the notification I'm talking about was in the form of - if that is the way it is called - a "notification bubble" on the top of the screen
[07:04] <MaxFrames> on gconf-editor, under "apps-nm-applet", I have nothing
[07:07] <MaxFrames> gsettings reset org.gnome.nm-applet disable-vpn-notifications => also fails with "failed to commit changes to dconf"
[07:07] <MaxFrames> is that elaborated enough? :P
[07:15] <MaxFrames> anyone please?
[08:36] <MaxFrames> well, anyway, lubuntu has literally resurrected this old netbook
[08:36] <MaxFrames> it was unusable with windows xp, most of the time the hdd led was solid lit and the system did not respond
[08:36] <MaxFrames> I think it was a driver problem, it's really fast now, like new
[11:25]  * zooko tinkers with his attempt to make a lubuntu install cd with new btrfs...
[12:11] <chulis> hello ¿how can i decrease the appear time of a pop up? for example, when i recieve a mail or status battery etc?
[12:12] <chulis> excuse for my english im spanish
[12:56] <koell> Unit193: <3
[13:01] <leszek> chulis: I don't think that is possible as the applications itself send the time for a popup to be shown (or at least they can send it)
[13:02] <profus2> hello everybody, is the a special owncloud desktop client for lubuntu?
[13:05] <leszek> profus2: not that I am aware of there exists only the normal desktop client for linux
[13:06] <leszek> profus2: http://software.opensuse.org/download/package?project=isv:ownCloud:desktop&package=owncloud-client
[13:06] <leszek> choosing xUbuntu here and you can add the repo which gets then constant updates
[13:07] <profus2> @lesszek: as I am running lxle I got the client already installed , but whenever i run it there is no gui or icon to proceed with further action
[13:08] <profus2> btw lxle runs on 12.04
[13:08] <profus2> i can see it running in task manager though
[13:34] <SonikkuAmerica> profus2: What are you looking for?
[14:13] <vendre> hello
[16:29] <chulis> hola
[16:29] <chulis> buenas
[16:30] <chulis> sabe alguien alguna manera de hacer mas pequeños los mensajes del sistema por ejemplo el estado de baertia, correo nuevo etc?
[16:30] <wxl> !es | chulis
[16:32] <chulis> anybody knows if is possible to maketh advices of system smaller for exemple new mail, batery sta
[16:32] <chulis> status etc?
[16:33] <wxl> notifications you mean?
[16:35] <wxl> chulis: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88274/how-can-i-make-smaller-pop-ups-on-lubuntu
[16:35] <chulis> yes
[16:36] <chulis> are too big and i cant see other thigns
[16:36] <chulis> and stay log time
[16:36] <chulis> long
[16:41] <chulis> wuauu thanks a lot wxl
[16:41] <wxl> np chulis
[16:44] <chulis> wxl: other thing ¿is it possible to add firefox or other program such thumtherbird to the panel (small icon i mean)
[16:45] <wxl> chulis: sure, just right click on the area and you should be able to fix it
[16:45] <chulis> no i cant
[16:45] <chulis> it come come back
[16:46] <comics_idees> in lubuntu now I did update an I think it is a new chrome version
[16:46] <holstein> comics_idees: you "think"? look in a package manager and see.. chrome is not in the defaul repos, so those are not maintained by ubuntu or lubuntu
[16:46] <chulis> i pull the icon to the panel but it come back
[16:47] <wxl> chulis: don't drag it, right click on the panel and there should be an option to edit the launcher settings
[16:47] <chulis> yes but there is only en few programs but i want to put others...
[16:48] <wxl> chulis: then you need to create .desktop files for them
[16:48] <comics_idees> well in my pc chrome has better performance than firefox
[16:48] <holstein> comics_idees: i didnt comment on quality
[16:48] <chulis> they are on the desktop aswell
[16:49] <wxl> chulis: not desktop, .desktop
[16:49] <holstein> comics_idees: i personally use chrome as well, but, if you had installed via the official deb, youget sources added, and any updates you do in the system will keep chrome up to date as well.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" for example
[16:49] <wxl> chulis: basically, this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Windows#How_to_make.2BAC8-add_an_application_to_the_.22start.22_menu.
[16:52] <chulis> but i dont need in the star menu, i want to put then in the panel near the clock for example
[16:53] <wxl> chulis: it needs to be in that menu in order to show up in the list of programs for the launcher on the panel
[16:54] <chulis> but they are in menu-internet
[16:54] <wxl> chulis: then they should show up on the panel list
[16:55] <chulis> in preference panel you mean?
[16:55] <wxl> chulis: yeah like i said, you right click on the launcher area, and then there's an option for adding programs and it should be in that list
[16:57] <wxl> sorry to say i don't have a lubuntu in front of me to give you the specifics but i've been through this many times
[16:59] <chulis> i can find some programs like menu clock cpu monitor etc but not firefox or thunderbird
[16:59] <chulis> preference panel-add complements
[16:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Add components, you mean?
[16:59] <wxl> chulis: i have actually added firefox and thunderbird before :)
[17:00] <chulis> yes in the front panel
[17:00] <holstein> just a shortcut? in the panel? a "click this button and run this application" button?
[17:00] <chulis> yes
[17:01] <holstein> should still look much like this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1935461
[17:02] <SonikkuAmerica> .desktop files are your friend too
[17:02] <wxl> i think i see the problem
[17:03] <chulis> thats for me?
[17:03] <wxl> if you're seeing clock and cpu monitor, you must be looking at the "widgets" if you wil for the panel
[17:03] <wxl> on there, there should be one that is launcher or task thingy or something
[17:03] <wxl> again i forgot what it was called
[17:03] <wxl> and hit edit
[17:03] <wxl> THAT"S what you want
[17:06] <chulis> i right on panel then add or (i dont know in english) elements panel
[17:07] <chulis> then mini aplications
[17:07] <chulis> then add
[17:07] <chulis> but only few proigrams there
[17:07] <holstein> chulis: i find it helpful when learning to load up the guest account, or the live CD, or a "Test" user account
[17:08] <holstein> chulis: i remember, back when i used to click on things to run things, i found this feature in the lxpanel simply with trial and error
[17:08] <holstein> chulis: i will fire up 14.04 lubuntu 32bit in a few minutes here and add a launcher and tell you *exactly* how i did it
[17:09] <chulis> ok thanks
[17:09] <hanner> hi
[17:09] <holstein> chulis: i will be doing this by loading the OS, then adding *everything* i find til i get what i want
[17:10] <hanner> by default lubuntu ships with keybindings for media keys, but when using xbmc those keybindings somehwat interrupt the usage of that keys inside xbmc
[17:10] <hanner> is there a way to enable these keybindings just if xbmc is not running?
[17:14] <holstein> hanner: im sure there is a way, but i might ask in the xbmc community and see what folks there do to address this
[17:14] <holstein> lxde with xbmc should be a pretty popular setup
[17:17] <holstein> chulis: i right click the panel, i select "panel settings", then, the "panel applets" tab.. then, along the right side i click "add", then i browse to "application bar launcher" and add one of those if there is not one. then, i highlight the "application bar launcher" from the list, and click the "edit" button, under where "add" was before. i then navigate to whatever i want from the menu and click "add"
[17:18] <holstein> chulis: you can have more than one application bar lanucher, and you may want to do that
[17:18] <holstein> chulis: i suggested, and still suggest loading up the guest account, live CD, or test user and play around with the configutation, if you are uncomfortable with the setup
[17:19] <chulis> ok i try again
[17:20] <holstein> chulis: i added firefox, and i see *all* my applications that are in the panel as options to add there
[17:20] <holstein> chulis: in my default stock setup, the powerbutton is an application lauch bar entry
[17:21] <holstein> chulis: so, you can right click on the power button, and select "application bar launch settings"
[17:22] <holstein> chulis: that would add these launchers there by the power button.. thats why i suggest you may want to add an additional "application bar launch" to another area of the panel
[17:22] <holstein> chulis: i say, this is something that, if you dont have a launcher for firefox added in a few minutes, you are doing it incorrectly
[17:24] <chulis> eureka
[17:25] <chulis> the secret was aplication and then edit
[17:25] <holstein> chulis: ?
[17:25] <holstein> chulis: there is not "secret" friend
[17:25] <holstein> no secrets
[17:26] <holstein> just new ways of doing things.. LXDE is designed to be light, and that has its compromises
[17:26] <chulis> im still very novece
[17:26] <holstein> chulis: this has little to do with "skill level"..
[17:27] <chulis> i have to go out but i still have some questions
[17:27] <holstein> chulis: its just a matter of what you are accustomed to, and being willing to ask, and search
[17:27] <holstein> chulis: you are welcome and encouraged to ask what you like here.. cheers
[17:27] <chulis> i come back again thanks a lot
[17:28] <chulis> regards


[01:13] <com_h> Hi everyone, a questions from a myth newbe, Just installed mythbuntu 9.04 (front / back) on a desktop with a usb dvico tuner, after booting I just get a black screen with a large white outlined rectangle in the middle of the screen? The first boot it did a synaptic update to a pile of stuff. What next? doesn't seem to respond to much apart from CTRL-ALT-DEL, ESC.
[01:15] <darthanubis> com_h, next is to read some documentation and search google for know bugs related to your experience. Then try to be more specific with your issue, and then ...the waiting game ...soemone will try to answer your specific query
[01:47] <foxbuntu> ...here too
[01:47] <darthanubis> lol
[01:49] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, ping
[01:50] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, kick darthanubis out of here, just because he is in -server too
[01:50] <foxbuntu> :P
[01:51] <darthanubis> :-D
[01:54]  * foxbuntu needs to get like 300 things done
[01:55] <foxbuntu> the first of which on the night...to eat some dinner
[01:55] <foxbuntu> bbl
[03:17] <squidly>  is anyone here knowledgable about the Antec Fusion Black case with the Soundgraph IR/LCD system? I can get the LCD working, but when I try to start the IR system I dont get any controls working, when I do a sudo mode2 /dev/lirc0 I see codes
[03:31] <foxbuntu> !antec% | squidly
[03:31] <Zinn> squidly: If you are having trouble setting up the LCD on the Antec Fusion v2 Black or its other integrated devices, check out this Wiki Article: http://wiki.foxmediasystems.com/index.php/Antec_Fusion_v2_Black_LCD
[05:07] <dannz> dose anyone know what  MythSocket(98d26e0:12): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list. means?
[09:35] <OpenMedia> Anyone here played with a DVB HDHomeRum?
[09:35] <OpenMedia> Whoops HDHomeRun ;)
[09:36] <Technophil> Yes S, I am sorry I can't give you the answers you seek
[09:38] <Technophil> There is a #hdhomerun room, might be worth your visit there?
[09:39] <OpenMedia> Thanks Technophil
[09:41] <Technophil> jafa and jlukda are strongly associated with Silicon Image, they just left, running on US time....
[09:42] <Technophil> Well...one timed out that is
[10:37] <dunc> !help
[10:37] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[10:38] <OpenMedia> Are their current 0.22 trunk builds for Jaunty?
[12:11] <dunc> hi folks, I'm just trying out mythbuntu for the first time, I've got version 9.04
[12:12] <dunc> If I try to use the proprietary video drivers, X doesn't even start properly, I just get a mess on the screen
[12:12] <dunc> with the open source ones, I do get into X and myth fires up ok, but then I just get the outline of a window in the centre of the screen, and everything is dark, i can't see any text
[12:13] <dunc> I managed to bail out to a terminal and kill it, and have been reading the website and it says there that this might help...
[12:13] <dunc> mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=OpenGL
[12:13] <dunc> but it doesn't make any difference, and I'm not sure that will work anyway with the open source drivers
[12:13] <dunc> anyone got any tips on where to go from here?
[12:15] <dunc> I'm getting a lot of X errors in the mythfrontend log file. RenderBadPicture and BadMatch for example
[12:15] <dunc> I'm guessing getting the proprietary drivers working might be the best plan
[12:18] <dunc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/346789  # it's this :-)
[12:24] <XiXaQ> www.Mythbuntu.org tells me that the live-cd can be used as a live frontend. Can I make a USB from it and use it as a live backend as well?
[12:25] <XiXaQ> just to test, that is.
[13:36] <XiXaQ> where are frontend and backend configurations stored?
[13:37] <XiXaQ> I've installed frontend and backend on the same machine, but the frontend insists on connecting on the external ip instead of loopback, which I don't want.