[00:02] <_stink__> yo
[00:02] <_stink__> how was the trip?
[00:08] <rick_h_> it was good stuff
[00:08] <rick_h_> though I'm pissed to come home with snow on the ground
[00:09] <rick_h_> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GpdNxoHRQnzK8mpB3 got to do some biking
[00:10] <rick_h_> and hiking https://photos.app.goo.gl/mhwItf0EwGtuSKrU2
[00:39] <_stink__> i was hoping you'd bring warm weather with you
[00:39] <jrwren_>  load average: 277.06, 276.72, 275.47     something happened to my server, but I have no idea what.
[00:41] <jrwren_> might be netatalk going crazy. UGH
[00:51] <cmaloney> rick_h_: nice!
[00:52] <cmaloney> Glad to see Michael wasn't sick the whole trip
[01:14] <rick_h_> Heh yeah, so glad that sickness passed
[12:58] <cmaloney> morning
[13:09] <_stink_> yo
[13:15] <cmaloney> Howdy-doodlie-do


[13:54] <ghisvail> quick question regarding testing with autopkgtests
[13:54] <ghisvail> I have got a package which requires a window manager to be tested (according to its CI setup)
[13:54] <ghisvail> how can I do that with autopkgtest?
[13:54] <ghisvail> they currently use matchbox


[10:39] <zequence> OvenWerks: We should make any changes within the next week or so. Feature freeze is coming up
[10:40] <zequence> I will put some time into -default-settings and seeds as far as mirroring Xubuntu is concerned
[10:40] <zequence> I'm also still working on -controls too, so if you'd like to review our multimedia seeds, that would be great


[00:12] <billybigrigger> :|
[00:12] <billybigrigger> 3 hrs in, and python failed....
[00:12] <billybigrigger> fml
[00:12] <billybigrigger> HON IT IS! haha
[00:17] <willwh> ;]
[00:21] <billybigrigger> sweet
[00:22] <billybigrigger> no need to start from scratch...fix broken package and resume away...
[00:22] <billybigrigger> i DO love gentoo hahaha
[05:38] <billybigrigger> got gentoo running yet?
[05:39] <billybigrigger> :P
[05:45] <willwh> hahaha
[05:45] <willwh> no
[05:58] <billybigrigger> tsk tsk
[05:58] <billybigrigger> hehe
[11:54] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[16:06] <BluesKaj> , BBL
[23:15] <billybigrigger> sup all
[23:16] <willwh> yooooooo
[23:16] <willwh> the sky
[23:16] <willwh> :D
[23:23] <ball> mornin'


[00:12] <Kassadin> holstein: It is showing up in primary drive 1 as an unknown device, which is weird considering it is brand new with the jumpers in proper position
[00:13] <holstein> Kassadin: just keep in mind, nothing about ubuntu/lubuntu is preventing the drive from showing up
[00:13] <holstein> Kassadin: are you seeing the device in the terminal from the live CD when running "sudo fdisk -l" ?
[00:13] <holstein> do you see it in gparted?
[00:58] <Kassadin> holstein: it did not, but I think i got the problem. Apparently the jumper settings listed on the drive's label are not entirely correct.
[01:06] <Kassadin> Thank you for your help!
[11:29] <n3rd_dude> hello, I'm using lubuntu on ARM and I have a few issues, #1 is, I want to boot headless without the GUI but then #2, I have no tty on hdmi out
[11:30] <n3rd_dude> apart from both of those, the most important is, I need a permanent wired connection to be started without ever logging into a GUI
[11:32] <n3rd_dude> *this needs to be configured via CLI coz I'm remote atm
[11:32] <leszek> n3rd_dude: the hdmi issue is hard to solve. Especially on ARM were every vendor things he must break the world by building incompatible chips in
[11:32] <n3rd_dude> leszek: lol, well said :-D
[11:32] <n3rd_dude> that's fine, no biggy
[11:33] <n3rd_dude> how about the network?
[11:33] <leszek> n3rd_dude: where is the problem with the wired connection. Normally on bootup it should get its ip via dhcp
[11:33] <n3rd_dude> well, for one thing I need a manual ip (i'll explain why), but I remember even with dhcp, it didn't connect on the login screen
[11:34] <n3rd_dude> in other words, I had to unplug everything from my desktop, plug into the arm board and then log in to connect the wired connecton
[11:34] <leszek> n3rd_dude: if you need a manual ip configure /etc/network and put in the manual ip configuration for your device
[11:34] <n3rd_dude> and as a bonus, every reboot creates a new 'wired connection' completely ignoring my previous settings, lol
[11:34] <n3rd_dude> okay, doing
[11:34] <n3rd_dude> thank you :-)
[11:35] <n3rd_dude> um, what's the config that should go in there
[11:35] <leszek> n3rd_dude: see a documentation on it if you don't exactly know what to put in there
[11:35] <n3rd_dude> I use archlinux so this is very different
[11:35] <n3rd_dude> right
[11:36] <leszek> n3rd_dude: and disable network-manager or remove it completely
[11:36] <n3rd_dude> how do I disable it? :-)
[11:46] <n3rd_dude> got it
[11:59] <n3rd_dude> leszek: if you're still there, what'd you know about hardware acceleration for gpu?
[11:59] <n3rd_dude> that's bugged too
[12:10] <leszek> proprietary drivers needed most of the time. A pain in the ass if the arm chip creator has only drivers for a specific kernel or none at all
[12:58] <Reffter> Hi, can anyone see my post on reddit ?
[12:59] <Reffter> http://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/2f8v6z/is_it_worth_to_upgrade/     -> Thank you!
[15:46] <n3rd_dude> hi, I've got lubuntu running on an arm board (Allwinner A10) and I have the option to update 12.04 to 14.04. If I proceed, will it work? do I have any notable advantages in doing so?
[16:04] <phillw> n3rd_dude: are you on Lc100?
[16:07] <n3rd_dude> phillw: um, no? what's that?
[16:08] <phillw> n3rd_dude: we were asked to allow arm onto the builds. ac100 was that
[16:10] <n3rd_dude> okay?
[16:10] <phillw> n3rd_dude: the arm team for that chipset dissolved and I had a disagreement that resulted in my resigning  as a ubuntu member.
[16:11] <n3rd_dude> oh?
[16:11] <n3rd_dude> are you referring to the SoC?
[16:12] <phillw> n3rd_dude: accept


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[11:39] <jjbabydarling> hi
[11:39] <jjbabydarling> anyone picking this up?
[11:39] <jjbabydarling> or do i have to specifically address people?
[16:31] <mnlight> HELLOOO!!
[18:11] <Adro> Hi all, I managed to fix distorted sound with the Presonus 1818vsl USB, thanks to OvenWerks for helping out!!!
[18:13] <Adro> I had to install a new USB3.0 PCI-E card to connect the interface there... that seems to be sorted but I still get lot of xruns :(
[18:15] <Adro> after running realtimeconfigquickscan I suspect it might be something to do with interrupts, the rtitrq file, some BIOS setting or something like that but I don't really understand how this works... asking If anybody could help and send me in the right direction....
[18:16] <Adro> thanks in advance!
[18:18] <Adro> I've been tampering on the rtirq file without really knowing much how it works, and also tweaked something with pulseaudio in the past, dunno if that might be related...
[19:39] <studio-user044> first time on here


[09:14] <abhi96> Hello
[09:15] <abhi96> Which desktop environment is lighter in weight LXDE or XFCE?
[09:17] <ibmr50e> hello everyone
[09:21] <ibmr50e> I installed 18.04 next
[09:21] <ibmr50e> and panel wasn't set up at all
[09:24] <LioneLL> LXDE is lighter (openbox)
[09:24] <abhi96> Thanks LioneLL
[10:12] <zap0> teh updater is broken
[10:12] <zap0> it keeps saying  i stopped it.
[10:13] <zap0> how do i fix that?
[10:35] <terfysgwr> Salut. When I installed Lubuntu, F11 in lxterminal (and most terminals, if I recall) would open fullscreen. Pressing F11 again would leave fullscreen. But now if I type F11 into any terminal, I get numbers like "3~"
[10:36] <terfysgwr> I tried adding a keybind in lubuntu-rc.xml, "ToggleFullscreen". No effect (I tried openbox --reconfigure and reboot)
[10:38] <terfysgwr> I can do fullscreen by selecting the option in the menu in lxterminal (right click on window title bar). But as far as I can tell, there is no way to leave fullscreen besides 'exit' in terminal
[10:40] <terfysgwr> Anyone have experience with this? It's driving me mad
[11:39] <yoot> Hey my wifi still doesn't connect. I can see my modem but can't connect it.
[11:59] <ibmr50e> yo guys
[11:59] <ibmr50e> now after switch to lxqt is there any software center for me?
[11:59] <ibmr50e> cause default one in ubuntu is gnome-software right, is there qt equivalent?
[12:00] <yoot> exit
[12:07] <ibmr50e> what?
[12:11] <hateball> ibmr50e: Muon is Qt but also depends on KDE Frameworks
[12:12] <ibmr50e> oh I had it installed
[12:12] <ibmr50e> cool thanks hateball
[12:18] <ibmr50e> whats the default app to edit partitions qt?
 @ibmr50e, KDE Partition Manager, but idk if it's installed by default
[13:25] <yoot> I am having a problem to connect the internet.
[13:26] <yoot> My lubuntu laptop sees my wifi but doesn't connect it.
[13:27] <yoot> Help me please, what hat should I do?
 @yoot, Try #ubuntu :)
[13:30] <yoot> are you sure?
[13:30] <yoot> is it the same?
[21:23] <yoot> Hey I can't connect the wifi.
[21:24] <wxl> what chip?
[21:24] <yoot> Help me guys.
[21:24] <wxl> s/guys/folks/ as we're not all male here
[21:25] <yoot> english is not my native language sorry
[21:25] <yoot> everyone use like that "guys, bro etc."
[21:25] <wxl> not everyone
[21:25] <wxl> anyways, need to know what chip you have if you want help
[21:26] <yoot> how can I find out my chip model?
[21:26] <yoot> I have MSI M670
[21:26] <wxl> you can pastebin up the results of `lspci -nnk`
[21:26] <yoot> laptop
[21:26] <wxl> do not paste it here
[21:39] <yoot> Hey can you say the command again?
[21:43] <yoot> Ok I did it but where is it chipset model
[21:43] <yoot> lspci -nnk
[21:44] <yoot> Hello?
[21:44] <wxl> did you run the command on your machine?
[21:44] <wxl> and did you pastebin the results?
[21:44] <yoot> Yes
[21:44] <wxl> so where's the link to the pastebin?
[21:45] <yoot> I can't because I can't connect to wifi
[21:46] <yoot> And no ethernet cable
[21:47] <wxl> well find the pci id in the form [xxxx:yyyy] (the first one) and let me know what it is, along with the kernel driver in use and kernel modules available
[21:47] <wxl> or just use a usb or something and copy it to a machine with internet access
[21:56] <ibmr50e> wxl you a girl?
[21:58] <wxl> none of your business, ibmr50e :)
[22:00] <ibmr50e> but you are walter lapczynski
[22:00] <ibmr50e> it says so
[22:00] <wxl> it could be lying
[22:00] <ibmr50e> oh okay nvm then
[22:01] <ibmr50e> but polish last name
[22:01] <wxl> all poles are girls? :)
 @ibmr50e, wxl is an Apache Attack Helicopter
[22:01] <wxl> actually, i'm not polish even.
[22:01] <ibmr50e> polish roots?
 That's what he identifies as :P
[22:01] <ibmr50e> hehehe tsimonq2 hot spurts
[22:02] <wxl> my dad's polish


[00:50] <Bashing-om> I gonna jump in the rain locker .. then give Chris a hand with the summaries.
[01:24] <guiverc> i've taken a break (a little sore); will likely return later...
[02:17] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: The Average Ubuntu Install Takes 18 Minutes (And Other Stats) @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=132644 (by Joey Sneddon)
[04:01] <guiverc> fyi:  re-entered doc & appears all summaries written


[15:50] <pleia2> nhaines: I'm speaking at a devops meetup in Tustin next month :)
[15:51] <pleia2> should let me know what there is to do around while I'm in town (just a day really)
[21:33] <nhaines> pleia2: ooh, cool!  :)  Let me think about that.  There's some cool stuff.


[07:51] <mdz> T-Bone: I fixed it
[07:51] <mdz> I can't say how it happened
[07:52] <T-Bone> more than strange. I'm pretty certain I chose to add you to auto accept list
[07:52] <T-Bone> and I don't recall handling list administrativia while being drunk :}
[07:53] <Kamion> mdz: could I upload http://riva.ucam.org/~cjwatson/tmp/choose-mirror.ftp.diff (fixes a netboot crasher that svenl discovered) and http://riva.ucam.org/~cjwatson/tmp/ddetect.empty-list.diff (fixes a nasty hw-detect crasher if all modules were already coldplugged, that probably causes some other hardware detection problems), please?
[07:54] <mdz> Kamion: yes
[07:54] <Kamion> yeah, I probably wouldn't do it that way if it were new code, but ...
[08:13] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: pong128
[08:14] <mdz> ogra: so speaking of hwdb, will we hit our target for preview?
[08:15] <ogra> 8th ?
[08:15] <ogra> i think so
[08:15] <mdz> lamont: where are you?
[08:15] <ogra> the -gui is almost ready....
[08:15] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: yay! ready for it?
[08:16] <mdz> ogra: I have looked at what is in hoary; it looks very nice but the functionality does not seem to be there yet :-)
[08:16] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: yes; I don't have very much time, but we'll see what we can get done in the timeframe.
[08:16] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: awsome
[08:18] <ogra> mdz: it is working here :), the send stuff is missing and i have to write something to glue it together.... done within two days i think....i'll roll an updated package today with the completed ui stuff
[08:19] <mdz> ogra: great
[08:30] <zul> mdz: lamont might be asleep
[08:31] <mdz> zul: oh?
[08:31] <zul> mdz: im just guessing not sure exactly
[08:31] <mdz> zul: it's 1230 in lamont's time zone :-)
[08:32] <zul> mdz: heh people can sleep in til 1230 i certainly do somethimes
[08:32] <zul> or he could of have been hit by a bus
[08:32] <mdz> lamont is usually here at about 0900
[08:33] <zul> true speak of the devil
[08:33] <mdz> lamont_r: good morning, everything ok?
[08:34] <lamont_r> T-Bone, shsh
[08:34] <zul> hey lamont_r
[08:34] <T-Bone> lol
[08:35] <lamont_r> mdz: yeah - errands took way longer than planned, then had promised to help a buddy out for an hour or so this afternnon...
[08:40] <mdz> jbailey: #1080?
[08:40] <mdz> lamont_r: do we have kubuntu cloop images for all architectures?
[08:59] <mdz> elmo: the only weird one remaining in sync.txt seems to be boost; I can't easily tell whether that falls into one of the existing classes of weirdness or not
[09:00] <lamont__r> mdz: all.  For values of all which do not include ia64.
[09:00] <mdz> lamont__r: good enough
[09:00] <mdz> Kamion: will the daily run fail because of that?
[09:00] <mdz> Kamion: if so, can we set the default arch list to exclude ia64 for kubuntu?
[09:01] <lamont__r> mdz: may as well set the arch list to !ia64 until firefox is fixed
[09:01] <elmo> libboost-python-dev              | boost                         | kdeedu (Build-Depend)
[09:01] <elmo> is where boost comes from according to my germinate
[09:03] <mdz> why does that stuff show up in your germinate, and not in colin's published one?
[09:03] <mdz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/kubuntu-hoary/all doesn't even have kdeedu in it
[09:04] <mdz> oh, I wonder if that's sparc fallout
[09:04] <elmo> yeah, could be
[09:04] <mdz> must be; I think Colin's is i386-only or something
[09:04] <elmo> kdeedu -> kde-amusements -> meta-kde
[09:04] <mdz> kde-amusements isn't pulled in by anything today, but it might be in the old broken sparc ubuntu-desktop
[09:05] <Riddell> mdz: is it possible to remove update-notifier from the seed?
[09:05] <elmo> lemme just purge the specific sparc packages that are cuasing us grief, i.e. mostly kubuntu-desktop
[09:05] <mdz> elmo: there are only like 2 sparc-specific packages; I think it'd be better to exclude it if it's not easy to purge
[09:05] <mdz> Riddell: certainly
[09:06] <lamont__r> elmo: note that the sparc buildd died shortly after fabbione went away...
[09:06] <elmo> lamont__r: I know
[09:06] <elmo> mdz: what else would I need to purge?
[09:06] <elmo> I've killed kubuntu-* for sparc
[09:07] <mdz> Riddell: seeds updated; I'll upload kubuntu-meta in >=17 minutes
[09:07] <mdz> elmo: all of the examples we've seen so far seem to go back to kubuntu-desktop
[09:08] <mdz> the openoffice stuff will disappear when pitti uploads new langpacks
[09:08] <Riddell> mdz: cool thanks, then once we get the 3.4 packages in that should mean no gnome stuff is being brought in
[09:08] <mdz> Riddell: I just built a new set of kubuntu live CDs
[09:08] <lamont__r> how sane are the current dailies?  or should I pull array 6?
[09:08] <mdz> Riddell: now for i386, amd64 and powerpc
[09:08] <elmo> mdz: ok, I'll regen the list after cron.daily
[09:08] <mdz> Riddell: if you'd like to make an announcement about it
[09:09] <mdz> lamont__r: should be quite sane
[09:09] <Riddell> mdz: are we going to get daily live CDs?
[09:09] <mdz> Riddell: yes, starting tomorrow morning UTC
[09:09] <haggai> Riddell: yup 6am UTC
[09:09] <mdz> lamont__r: the cloop builds are dailified too, right?
[09:10] <mdz> (for kubuntu)
[09:10] <Riddell> mdz: cool stuff
[09:12] <mdz> lamont__r: http://weddell.buildd/%7Ebuildd/livecd/ubuntu/current/livecd.ubuntu.cloop:
[09:12] <mdz> 08:04:07 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[09:12] <lamont__r> weddell == ia64, see abover
[09:13] <lamont__r> hrm.. I guess I could hand migrate the ubuntu rootfs image over there.. give me a second
[09:14] <mdz> hmm
[09:14] <mdz> no obvious error in powerpc
[09:14] <mdz> Kamion: still here?
[09:14] <lamont__r> ubuntu should be better
[09:14] <mdz> hmm?
[09:14] <lamont__r> ia64/ubuntu shouldn't be 404 anymore
[09:14] <mdz> I'm looking for a reason why the ubuntu hoary-live-powerpc.iso went missing
[09:15] <mdz> oh
[09:15] <mdz> it failed because of ia64, apparently
[09:15] <mdz> doing a new live build now
[09:17] <Riddell> I'm missing a package, knetworkconf seems to have disappeared, how can I find out what's happened to it
[09:18] <mdz> Riddell: disappeared from where?
[09:18] <mdz> it doesn't appear to have ever existed in the Ubuntu archive
[09:18] <mdz> or in Debian
[09:19] <Riddell> mdz: I'm sure it used to be in universe
[09:19] <mdz> or is knetworkconf a program in a package with a different name?
[09:19] <Riddell> maybe it was in some other source line that I've since removed
[09:21] <Riddell> ah yes, kalyxo it must have been
[09:22] <Riddell> is there a last date for adding this to and modifying universe?
[09:22] <Riddell> s/this/things/
[09:22] <seb128> Mithrandir: here ?
[09:22] <Mithrandir> seb128: pong
[09:23] <seb128> Mithrandir: what wm do you use ?
[09:23] <Mithrandir> openbox
[09:23] <seb128> do you need this hack ? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7049
[09:23] <mdz> Riddell: at this point there are no plans for a universe freeze
[09:23] <mdz> Riddell: it's essentially up to MOTU as far as I'm concerned
[09:24] <mdz> what is there at release is what we get :-)
[09:24] <Riddell> mdz: so it'll just be forked on april 4th?
[09:24] <ajmitch> mdz: we don't have a real freeze for universe?
[09:24] <mdz> lamont__r: full set of live ubuntu live isos now
[09:24] <Mithrandir> seb128: I think I just did openbox --replace when I first started it and whacked metacity out of the gnome-session stuff.
[09:24] <ajmitch> that's good, in a way
[09:24] <mdz> ajmitch: see above
[09:24] <seb128> Mithrandir: k, thanks
[09:25] <tseng> openbox --replace, and then save session on log out is easiest
[09:25] <seb128> Mithrandir: what do you have is this key ?
[09:25] <Mithrandir> seb128: I haven't touched that file, that's sure.
[09:25] <seb128> that's a gconf key
[09:25] <seb128> and I'm wondering if GNOME is changing it when you do that
[09:26] <Mithrandir> /usr/bin/gnome-wm is a file. :P
[09:26] <seb128> /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default I mean :)
[09:26] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default
[09:26] <Mithrandir> No value set for `/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default'
[09:26] <seb128> weird
[09:27] <lamont__r> mdz: fwiw, I'm going to work on bootstrapping as many circular-deps as I can find this evening, unless there's something more urgent that you dump on me.
[09:27] <seb128> oh
[09:27] <seb128> Mithrandir: /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current ?
[09:27] <Mithrandir> /usr/bin/metacity
[09:27] <seb128> k, I get it
[09:27] <seb128> thanks
[09:27] <Mithrandir> though:
[09:27] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > ps ax | grep openbox
[09:27] <Mithrandir>  9135 ?        Ss     0:06 openbox --sm-save-file /home/tfheen/.local/share/openbox/sessions/1102093921-5222-1361235971.obs
[09:28] <seb128> yeah, the session is taking care of it I guess
[09:28] <seb128> you have it in ~/.gnome2/session, right ?
[09:29] <Mithrandir> seb128: yes, it's a RestartCommand
[09:29] <seb128> k, thanks
[09:33] <mdz> lamont__r: bootstrapping circular deps on which architecture?
[09:34] <mdz> lamont__r: what is the status of the patch review?  patches were scheduled to start flowing to Debian today
[09:35] <trukulo> hi ppl
[09:36] <sabdfl> hey trukulo
[09:36] <Nafallo> hi there trukulo :-)
[09:36] <trukulo> looking here about xorg in my laptop in hoary
[09:36] <trukulo> :)
[09:40] <abelli> smurfix: ping
[09:40] <zul> tseng/jdub: inotify 0.20 for 2.6.11 has been released
[09:40] <trukulo> i have one question, is dri enabled in 2.6.10-4-k7 ?
[09:42] <elmo> mdz: updated
[09:42] <Loevborg> trukulo, of course, yes.
[09:42] <trukulo> Loevborg, ok, only wanna know for testing my igp 320m , thanks
[09:43] <trukulo> it's very strange because live cd with glxinfo gives me Direct Rendering, and hoary installed not
[09:43] <seb128> zul: should fixes the issues with the current version, are you going to update it ? :)
[09:44] <zul> seb128: of course its on my todo list for this weekend
[09:44] <seb128> cool
[09:51] <zul> later folks
[09:52] <mdz> elmo: much better
[10:08] <jammcq> like more than 10 mins ago?
[10:08] <jammcq> oops :)
[10:09] <trukulo> hi Oliver
[10:10] <ogra> trukulo: hi
[10:10] <ogra> trukulo: didnt you say graveman should enter sid soon ? last week it wasnt in....
[10:10] <trukulo> ogra, ask elmo, it's waiting for ftpmaster action three weeks
[10:11] <trukulo> ;)
[10:11] <ogra> oh
[10:12] <trukulo> debian seems going slowly to accept new packages (i'm not an expert, just only seems to me)
[10:33] <abelli> mvo: ciao
[10:39] <crimsun> I'm wondering if we will move to <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:40] <crimsun> as a base point, that is. 2.6.x or 2.6.x.y
[10:40] <crimsun> (and I don't mean for Hoary, since it makes sense to stick with .10)
[10:41] <mvo> abelli: hi
[10:51] <abelli> jdub: ping
[10:56] <Riddell> mvo: could I get write access to kynaptic's repository? there's a few things I'd like to tidy up
[10:57] <abelli> Burgundavia: hi
[10:58] <mvo> Riddell: I can ask gustavo about it. until then I can commit your patches
[10:58] <Riddell> mvo: ok
[11:00] <mvo> Riddell: I investigated the konsole kpart and it looks like it's not usefull for our purpose :( it seems to lack a "fork_pty" method. synaptic forks of a pty and call dpkgpm->Go() in the child. all output is then displayed in the terminal window (because vte supports fork_pty)
[11:00] <mvo> Riddell: I need a prefered username and a htpasswd -m crypted password for your account to the kynaptic svn
[11:02] <mvo> mdz: any chance to sneak a synaptic and update-manager update in for the preview? both fix a bunch of (small) bugs
[11:02] <mdz> mvo: please mail me diffs
[11:07] <mvo> mdz: the (deb)diffs are ready, I guess I need to explain a bit about them and link to the bugs they fix. I'll send you a mail tonight
[11:10] <Burgundavia> abelli: hey
[11:18] <mdz> mvo: if it is not something which is critical for preview, I'm inclined to wait.  we need to be very cautious at this stage
[11:19] <mdz> mvo: there will be time for more small fixes after preview
[11:19] <trukulo> ogra, you there?
[11:19] <ogra> yup
[11:19] <mdz> mvo: but I am happy to review these specific cases with you
[11:19] <ogra> (eating)
[11:19] <trukulo> i have graveman package 0.3.8 if you want it
[11:19] <trukulo> talk to me when you finish
[11:20] <ogra> trukulo: usual place ?
[11:20] <trukulo> ogra, no
[11:20] <trukulo> in my computer
[11:20] <ogra> oh
[11:20] <trukulo> when i build it, i can put it on web
[11:21] <ogra> trukulo: great
[11:21] <trukulo> with description changed
[11:21] <zul> hilo
[11:21] <trukulo> i will put it on http://mercurio.homeip.net/debian
[11:21] <trukulo> remember, it's for sid
[11:21] <ogra> trukulo: i do :)
[11:46] <trukulo> ogra, uploaded
[11:49] <ogra> trukulo: i'll pull them tonight...upload during the weekend, thanks :)
[11:49] <trukulo> ok
[11:52] <lupusBE> daniels, ping
[11:57] <mvo> hey Mitario
[11:58] <Mitario> hi everyone
[11:58] <Mitario> mvo, hi!
[12:00] <tseng> mvo: hey. any idea why pkgstriptranslations would want to touch a file in update-notifier
[12:00] <tseng> /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-status or something like that


[07:31] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:20] <Raben> Good day all,
[10:25] <Raben> I've just created my launchpad account... as I changed 'Name' from 'thierry-andriamirado' to 'thierry.andriamirado' , the system have assigned me the Name 'ThierryAndriamirado2' on the wiki server. I tried to revert back to 'thierry-andriamirado' on launchpad, but it says 'thierry-andriamirado is already in use by another person or team.'. What can I do in order to retrieve my 'real' identity?
[12:40] <Laney>     If the user has set a cookie within the webwise.net domain indicating
[12:40] <Laney> that they do not wish to be tracked, then this preference is passed to
[12:40] <Laney> the Layer 7 switch during the process in paragraph 16 above.
[12:40] <Laney> Erm
[12:41] <Laney> I don't know how I managed to do that...
[12:41]  * Laney runs
[13:50] <Abelian> quick question, has: bzr co someurl been depreceated in favour in favour of bzr lp:project/branch
[15:01] <ffm> Hey, is the launchpad artwork copywrited or is it under a free licence.
[15:01] <ffm> 8?
[15:01] <ffm> *?
[15:02] <ffm> I'm pretty sure that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Launchpad-homepage-20080425-ver_1.2.3-build_5983.png is not a free screenshot, and even if the software is free (which it isn't) the logos and design arn't/
[15:06] <soren> When I log on to the canonical shop, it goes through launchpad's openid thing. The address it shows me is wrong (I've somewhat recently moved house). From the looks of it, that comes from Launchpad, but Launchpad doesn't offer me a way to change my address?
[15:08] <salgado> soren, that is the address used in your last shipit request
[15:11] <soren> salgado: Heh.. That's what I thought, so I went to shipit, ordered a cd with my new address and cancelled it again. It still shows the same (old) address.
[15:14] <salgado> soren, that's because LP ignores canceled requests when looking up the address to give to the shop
[15:14] <soren> salgado: Ah.
[15:15] <soren> salgado: You wouldn't happen to know if there's about this?
[15:15] <soren> Er..
[15:15] <soren> He...
[15:15] <salgado> a bug?
[15:15] <soren> Yes :)
[15:16] <salgado> I don't think so
[15:33] <mpt> There is, iirc
[15:41] <mpt> soren, salgado: bug 177401
[15:41] <Elvanor> Hello, is it ethically acceptable to register a non-free project (my website) on launchpad to use the translation tools
[15:41] <soren> mpt: I was *just* about to go look for it. Thanks! :)
[15:42] <Elvanor> I am looking for an online web interface and tools for i18n. The tools need to be OSS, although my project is not.
[15:43] <Elvanor> launchpad looks like a nice interface but I don't want to register a project there if they want to exclusively support free / oss projects.
[16:00] <synic> mrevell: I wasn't able to find a microphone I could get to work (we have a few a the office, but they are usb and I couldn't get them to record anything)
[16:01] <mrevell> synic: Hi, that's no problem. Don't worry. We can do it another time. There's also another option, though: I have SkypeOut minutes and so could call a landline or cell phone.
[16:02] <synic> mrevell: I could do that
[16:04] <mrevell> synic: Today I'm next available around 21.00 UTC (i.e. five hours from now). Do you want to PM or email me a number?
[16:04] <synic> yeah, I'll email it to you.
[16:05] <synic> anything I should think about before you call?
[16:06] <Hobbsee> if he's going to come and eat you.
[16:08] <gmb> Hobbsee:  mrevell doesn't eat people. He dissolves them with withering irony.
[16:09] <Hobbsee> gmb: ah.  my bad.
[16:09]  * Hobbsee hides from the scary lp devs, then.
[16:09] <mrevell> sorry synic, I'm on a quick call. Just a sec
[16:10] <gmb> Hobbsee: It's okay, you were confusing him with kiko, I think. kiko eats people.
[16:10] <Hobbsee> gmb: that doesn't make it better.
[16:11] <gmb> otoh bigjools_ is just a big fluffy teddy bear
[16:12] <bigjools_> gmb: given your hairy state, I'd say that comment was a tad ironic
[16:12] <Hobbsee> there are 2 teddy bears, then!
[16:14] <gmb> bigjools_: I'm more of the grumpy "who's been sleeping in my bed" variety. Well, in the mornings, anyway.
[16:16] <bigjools_> gmb: I remember that feeling when waking up next to some hag in my student days :)
[16:17] <gmb> bigjools_: As John Barrymore said: "Love is the delightful interval between meeting a beautiful girl and discovering that she looks like a haddock"
[16:18] <bigjools_> gmb: I read that as *Michael* Barrymore first time.... haha
[16:18] <gmb> Must... resist... temptation...
[16:27] <aantn> hello
[16:27] <aantn> is there a reason why launchpad would suddenly forget my shh key?
[16:28] <aantn> er ssh key, that is
[16:29] <aantn> I've was using my key for a long time without any problems, until launchpad suddenly started claiming I have no key today
[16:29] <stgraber> aantn: maybe related to the openssl security issue ?
[16:29] <aantn> stgraber: ?
[16:30] <stgraber> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-1
[16:30] <stgraber> basically all ssh keys generated after Feisty's release would have to be regenerated
[16:31] <aantn> stgraber: I just readded the key and it works
[16:32] <aantn> I assume that the packages automatically updated the keys
[16:32] <stgraber> it re-generates the host ones, privates ones have to be regenerated by hand (at least that's how I understand it)
[16:33] <stgraber> so if I understand the USN correctly, you would need to revoke your SSH key, generate a new one and push this one to LP
[16:33] <stgraber> updating your system wouldn't help as the generator would be fine but not the key that were generated with the broken one
[16:33] <aantn> stgraber: all I did was add my old key on launchpad
[16:34] <aantn> stgraber: I'm not so familiar with ssh
[16:34] <aantn> how would I go about revoking the old key?
[16:37] <no0tic> hi, my ssh key just disappeared from my LP profile, it is due to the security fix on openssl today?
[16:37] <aantn> no0tic: yeah, I just asked that question a few seconds ago
[16:38] <no0tic> aantn, thanks :) what if a user didn't use debian/ubuntu? :)
[16:38] <aantn> no0tic: It would seem that you need to just readd it
[16:38] <aantn> it would probably be best to generate a new key
[16:38] <aantn> no0tic: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-1
[16:39] <aantn> stgraber: I think ssh-keygen just overwrites old keys
[16:39] <aantn> stgraber: is that safe to do?
[16:39] <no0tic> aantn, yes, already done.. I'm only asking.. the bug affects only debian and debian based distros, what about users that don't use them?
[16:40] <aantn> no0tic: the security flaw could have also been present there
[16:40] <stgraber> if you have done the upgrade and are running the new openssl and openssh, regenerating your key with ssh-keygen then pushing it to LP is fine
[16:40] <stgraber> no0tic: keys were checked, mine that has been generated in 2005 hasn't been removed from LP
[16:40] <stgraber> no0tic: so only broken keys had (AFAIK)
[16:40] <no0tic> stgraber, thanks
[16:42] <no0tic> bye!
[16:42] <aantn> stgraber: I suspect a few people might take the easy way out (like I did at first)
[16:43] <aantn> stgraber: it would be best to set it up in a way so that people can't re-add unsecure keys
[16:43] <stgraber> aantn: LP should check and refuse the key but it's not something implemented yet I guess
[16:43] <stgraber> aantn: the issue is not known for a long time so I don't think LP's devel have had plenty of time to work on that :)
[16:44] <aantn> stgraber: alrgiht
[16:44] <aantn> I just thought I'd point it out
[16:44] <aantn> It also might pay to add something to the channel topic
[16:44] <aantn> I suspect a few more people will be around asking
[16:51] <gmb> aantn: We're working on preventing insecure keys being uploaded at th emoment  (well, others are, not me)
[16:51] <Kaleo> hi
[16:52] <aantn> gmb: kk
[16:52] <aantn> Kaleo: hello
[16:53] <Kaleo> hello aantn
[16:55] <Hobbsee> gmb: neat!
[17:00]  * gmb wonders if this'll fit
[17:00] <gmb> Huzzah.
[17:11] <ffm> Hey, is the launchpad artwork copywrited or is it under a free licence?
[17:14] <ffm> Anyone have an answer to https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/32983 ?
[17:15] <laga> didn't you just ask that question three minutes ago? ;)
[17:25] <ffm> laga: Maybe.
[17:35] <gmb> Updated the USN URL.
[17:41] <ignas> hi
[17:42] <ignas> i am trying to use the new launchpad ppa copying functionality, and it is not really working for me
[17:42] <ignas> i mean - i have released a package into gutsy
[17:42] <ignas> a deb got built
[17:42] <ignas> then i have copied it to hardy without binaries
[17:42] <ignas> it got built again, at least build records say so
[17:42] <ignas> but the new deb package was never published for hardy
[17:43] <cprov> ignas: you can't rebuild the same source within the same PPA, copy-ui should not allow you to do that.
[17:44] <ignas> emm, i was copying from gutsy to hardy
[17:44] <ignas> so it allowed me to do that
[17:44] <ignas> must I release a new package if i want the same package in gutsy and hardy? or would it have worked if i would have checked the "copy binaries" option?
[17:46] <ignas> cprov: the destination field is quite explicit "This PPA" + a select box for series
[17:48] <cprov> ignas: I said "it should not", but it does :-/, there is a bug open for this issue
[17:48] <ignas> so - what should I do to get the effect that I want
[17:48] <ignas> which is - easily release the same package for different series
[17:48] <cprov> ignas: yes, include_binaries
[17:48] <ignas> without doing the numbering manually
[17:49] <ignas> is there any way I can fix it now ?
[17:49] <ignas> like - copying packages again?
[17:49] <cprov> ignas: copy the binaries across , no rebuild
[17:49] <ignas> cprov: thanks, i'll try
[17:49] <cprov> ignas: yes, exactly, copy it again, this time including binaries and it will be fine.
[18:06] <gnomefreak> why was my ssh key removed from LP page? i just added it back like 2 seconds ago
[18:09] <intellectronica> gnomefreak: maybe it's compromised?
[18:10] <intellectronica> gnomefreak: or is it a new key?
[18:10] <geser> gnomefreak: see the last openssl USN
[18:12] <gnomefreak> old key
[18:13] <gnomefreak> USN?
[18:13] <kiko-fud> gnomefreak, yeah. http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2
[18:13] <gnomefreak> kiko-fud: thanks looking
[18:13] <kiko-fud> your key is vulnerable.
[18:13] <gnomefreak> why would be good
[18:14] <gnomefreak> i have to make new one
[18:17] <gnomefreak> what is the auto regen command?
[18:17] <gnomefreak> oh nevermind i see  it
[18:18] <gnomefreak> the commands on this page dont work the ssh-vulnkey and -a
[18:22] <gnomefreak> ok fixed that i hope
[18:22] <gnomefreak> kiko-fud: and everyone thanks
[18:42] <Rinchen> gnomefreak, when you update, it scans your system and regens if necessary
[18:43] <gnomefreak> oh ok i ran a regen anyway since the page says to
[18:51] <geser> are there any problems with uploads? I didn't get any accepted mails for my last uploads and LP doesn't show the either
[19:18] <kiko-fud> gnomefreak, sure thing :)
[19:27] <qense> were all SSH keys in Launchpad removed from the profiles?
[19:27] <geser> qense: I guess not, as LP still shows my key
[19:27] <qense> my keys are gone
[19:28] <bac> qense: no.  just those that were known to be vulnerable.
[19:28] <qense> weird, the script I got from the planet tells that my keys aren't vulnerable
[19:28] <qense> at least, it doesn't print any output
[19:29] <geser> qense: what shows ssh-vulnkey?
[19:29] <qense> ./dowkd.pl user does tell me that my key is vulnerable
[19:30] <qense> ssh-vulnkey doesn't exist
[19:30] <geser> it's in openssh-client from -security
[19:31] <qense> well, at least I know that I have to replace my key now
[19:32] <geser> cprov: are there any issues with soyuz? I'm missing some uploads from today (neither got an accepted/rejected mail nor does LP show them)
[19:34] <mok0> ScottK!!!
[19:35] <ScottK> Heya.
[19:35] <mok0> Hi
[19:36] <emgent> heya
[20:28] <Elvanor> Hello, is it ethically acceptable to register a non-free project (my website) on launchpad to use the translation tools
[20:30] <emgent> Elvanor: no
[20:30] <Elvanor> emgent: hmm, ok :)
[20:30] <Elvanor> I need to find an OSS translation tool, preferably with a web interface, so launchpad looked like a potential candidate
[20:30] <emgent> if it`snt free i think no.
[20:30] <mok0> Elvanor: LP is for free software afaik
[20:30] <Elvanor> But this is for my own website which is commercial.
[20:31] <Elvanor> OK. I think I'll go with Pootle then
[20:31] <Elvanor> But the terms of use on LP did not mention that you were actually required to run a free project, so I wondered
[20:35] <mok0> Elvanor: Canonical may provide a service for people like you. Why not contact them and ask?
[20:36] <mok0> Elvanor: but the front page states: "Launchpad is a free software hosting and development website. "
[20:36] <Elvanor> mok0: ok, I'll try to contact them. I am a Gentoo Linux developer though, so they may not like the competition ;)
[20:37] <mok0> Elvanor: gentoo has a project page on LP
[20:37] <Elvanor> mok0: yes, but I need the service for my commercial website (nothing to do with Gentoo)
[20:37] <Elvanor> However, I would not object to my translations being freely available and viewable on a community site.
[20:37] <mok0> Elvanor: right :-)  I don't think Canonical really cares
[20:38] <mok0> about the competition, that it
[20:38] <mok0> s/it/is
[20:38] <scriptkidd-e> (?)
[20:39] <scriptkidd-e> So 've just installed Windows Hardy Heron.
[20:40] <scriptkidd-e> I'll go said that in #ubuntu
[20:43] <matsubara> Elvanor: the person you're looking for is statik
[20:43] <Elvanor> matsubara: ok
[20:44] <Elvanor> I am actually probably looking a bit prematurely, I wont actually need the service for another 3 monthes at least
[20:44] <Elvanor> mok0: sure, I was joking about the competition :)
[20:45] <Elvanor> Plus, Gentoo and Ubuntu dont really target the same users.
[20:45] <mok0> Elvanor: true. Plus, all benefit by collaborating about bug fixing etc
[21:10] <juliux> hi
[21:10] <juliux> the mailings about the ssh-keys where send without a date, is that a bug?
[21:18] <kiko> juliux, without a date, really?
[21:18] <kiko> barry, Rinchen: ^^^
[21:20] <juliux> kiko, evolution didn't recognise it
[21:20] <barry> juliux: hmm.  probably a bug in our mass mailer script, though the smtp.canonical.com /should/ have added one
[21:20] <Rinchen> hmm I see a date on mine....
[21:20] <barry> well, our mass mailer script doesn't add a date
[21:20] <barry> the mta should have
[21:20] <Rinchen> however the email address is incorrect. It should be matthew.revell@canonical  not matthew@canonical
[21:21] <juliux> two bugs in one mail;9
[21:21] <Rinchen> the test mail was correct with the email address so that's rather...odd
[21:21] <Rinchen> and unexpected
[21:22] <Rinchen> barry, I have a correct date on mine..  Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:58:24 +0100 (BST)
[21:23] <ffm> Hey, is the launchpad artwork copywrited or is it under a free licence?
[21:23] <Rinchen> ffm, it's currently licensed like the software.....
[21:24] <Rinchen> ffm, interestingly, you're the second person to ask that in the last 10 days
[21:24] <juliux> Rinchen, http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/213531/ there is no send date
[21:24] <thatch> Were the ssh key emails supposed to be sent out even if the key wasn't deleted from lp?
[21:24] <ffm> Rinchen: Ah. Who was the other?
[21:24] <ffm> Rinchen: I'm just asking because of what is (apparently) a non-free screenshot on wikipedi
[21:24] <Rinchen> thatch, if we removed their key, we sent an email
[21:25] <thatch> Rinchen: my key is listed as "Unknown" by the ssh-vulnkey tool, was created on a Mac, and still exists when I go to edit my keys
[21:25] <Rinchen> juliux, wow, mine looks almost exact from the origination except I have a date received
[21:25] <thatch> Rinchen: ...but I got an email.  Does that imply that I had a second key on there prior?
[21:25] <Rinchen> thatch, right. We didn't remove yours therefore you should not get an email
[21:26] <Rinchen> thatch, potentially.
[21:26] <juliux> Rinchen, you have an interesting mass mailer script
[21:26] <thatch> On the email date issue, mine has a TZ of PDT which implies my mailserver added it since the others are CET
[21:27] <thatch> or whatever +1 is these days
[21:29] <Nafallo> thatch: BST
[21:29] <Rinchen> thatch, interesting.  I'm in Colorado but it sent it with the correct origination date/time from the UK
[21:29] <Nafallo> :-)
[21:54] <ffm> Are RSA keys better than DSA keys for the future?
[22:07] <gmb> ffm: They're generally regarded as being more secure
[22:08] <ffm> gmb: Isn't DSA the default though?
[22:08] <ffm> No, they arn't.
[22:09] <ffm> How do I get a link to my name when I commit via BZR?
[22:10] <Nafallo> ffm: they are quite different those two :-)
[22:10] <Nafallo> ffm: there should be a comparison somewhere. let's see if I can find the link...
[22:11] <thumper> ffm: make sure that the email that you use to sign your revisions is known by launchpad
[22:15] <Nafallo> ffm: http://neubia.com/archives/000191.html
[23:50] <willwill> I got message from launchpad to regenerate my ssh key but my mirror still not resync the openssh package yet. Can I use -8ubuntu1?
[23:51] <mwhudson> you should be using security.ubuntu.com for security updates i think?
[23:52] <willwill> http://mirror1.ku.ac.th/ubuntu/ because the main mirrors are too crowd
[23:52] <mwhudson> sure, use a mirror for everything else
[23:52] <willwill> so I will change...
[23:54] <mwhudson> though i notice i don't seem to be following my own advice here...


[08:01] <nomed> hi all
[08:01] <janimo> hi all
[08:01] <terrex> hi
[08:01] <janimo> lets start
[08:01] <Gloubiboulga> hi
[08:01] <janimo> everybody look at the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanieleFavara/ProposedAgenda
[08:02] <janimo> during the meeting
[08:02] <janimo> ok item 1)
[08:02] <janimo> pkg selection
[08:02] <janimo> define a deifnitive list
[08:02] <janimo> the pdf viewer is going to be evince-gtk
[08:02] <janimo> I reallyy have to package it now 0.5.1 release
[08:03] <nomed> perfect
[08:03] <janimo> burner: graveman (althoug it crashed last time)
[08:03] <janimo> I tried butnign a CD
[08:03] <janimo> some glib error
[08:03] <nomed> janimo, the same ..
[08:03] <janimo> Mail client: sylpheed-claws?
[08:03] <nomed> +1
[08:03] <janimo> I don;t know the upstream said he would get it into dapper
[08:03] <janimo> I did not follow the progress of that
[08:04] <janimo> nomed, so you think it is better than plain sylpheed?
[08:04] <nomed> janimo, sylpheed-claws gtk2 ?
[08:04] <janimo> sure
[08:04] <nomed> yes
[08:04] <janimo> ok
[08:04] <janimo> since I use TB I cannot decide
[08:04] <janimo> player: xfmedia?
[08:04] <janimo> I know it has a klunky interface
[08:04] <nomed> janimo, not sure about that
[08:04] <janimo> woudl gxine or something else be better?
[08:05] <nomed> janimo, i tested some ..
[08:05] <janimo> it's advantage os that is upstream xfce stuff, but it's not very friendly
[08:05] <nomed> and xine is the one that works better
[08:05] <nomed> xine-ui
[08:05] <janimo> yes, my expericence too
[08:05] <janimo> or mplayer but that is too complicated I guess
[08:05] <nomed> xfmedia crashes while trying to play audiocd
[08:05] <nomed> janimo, i think mplayer is too complicated :)
[08:05] <nomed> yes
[08:06] <Gloubiboulga> xine-ui always worked fine for me
[08:06] <janimo> ok, xine-ui should be good
[08:06] <janimo> but have to see if it uses only libxine-main (the free codecs)
[08:07] <ranf> hi
[08:07] <janimo> hi
[08:07] <janimo> archive manager, we don;t have one
[08:07] <janimo> we may need to package xarchive{r}
[08:08] <nomed> yep
[08:08] <janimo> since debian has ITP but no package last time Ilooked
[08:08] <janimo> I haven;t used either so I could not say which is better (stable, small, fast other criteria)
[08:08] <janimo> stable is preferable
[08:08] <nomed> janimo, xarchive works fine ...
[08:08] <nomed> but i normally use the shell ...
[08:08] <janimo> is that the one in C or the one that calls out ot shell scripts?
[08:09] <janimo> nomed but it's not packaged right?
[08:09] <nomed> it calls out shell scripts
[08:09] <nomed> in universe i think
[08:09] <nomed> let me check
[08:09] <janimo> could you investigate both and see which is better?
[08:09] <janimo> we canot wait for debian with this
[08:10] <nomed> k
[08:10] <nomed> janimo, i think i pkged it :/
[08:10] <janimo> so we have to decide on player and archiver
[08:10] <janimo> nomed, good
[08:11] <nomed> xarchive is not in universe
[08:11] <janimo> nomed, not it is not
[08:11] <nomed> does that mean we can't use it ?
[08:11] <janimo> we should package it and get it in as part of xubuntu dapper goal
[08:11] <nomed> this UpstreamFreeze is driving me crazy :)
[08:11] <nomed> k
[08:12] <janimo> next, libraries
[08:12] <janimo> all gnomeprint/canvas ones are ok
[08:13] <nomed> perfect ...
[08:13] <nomed> so abiword is usable as it is now ?
[08:13] <janimo> abiword doe snotr dep on gnome
[08:13] <janimo> gconf and gnome-keyring are brought in by gdm
[08:13] <janimo> and update manager so we need to dep on them as well :(
[08:14] <nomed> it was the second question :)
[08:14] <janimo> when we get to write the doc: we wil definitely specify there is default and on CD install, just as with ubuntu
[08:14] <nomed> janimo, we should write down a list of all the ubuntu pkges
[08:14] <nomed> i mean
[08:14] <janimo> universe vs main: they are getting promoted, I will ping today about their status
[08:15] <nomed> as ... update manager
[08:15] <janimo> nomed, well proposed packages is a mess
[08:15] <janimo> we may need to clean that page
[08:15] <nomed> janimo, i mean those ubuntu specific pkges
[08:15] <janimo> what ubuntu specific ones?
[08:16] <janimo> ?
[08:16] <nomed> hwdb-client udpatemanager
[08:16] <nomed> and so on
[08:16] <janimo> Item 2) Is the aim to be as well-integrated as Ubuntu?
[08:16] <janimo> update manager deps on gconf only so yes it will be in
[08:16] <janimo> I may try to make that dep optional too but ni guarrantees
[08:16] <janimo> hwdb deps on gnome too
[08:17] <janimo> if gnome-python were split it would help solving both these
[08:17] <janimo> probbaly that is what we'll try to do and persuade seb to take the patch
[08:17] <janimo> 2) Is the aim to be as well-integrated as Ubuntu?
[08:17] <janimo> would be nice but no time for dapper for sure
[08:18] <janimo> network manager will be on the CD for people to try it out if they wish
[08:18] <janimo> same for power manager and other gnome niceties which are small
[08:18] <nomed> k
[08:18] <janimo> ivman, installed by default but not started
[08:18] <janimo> ok?
[08:19] <janimo> or maybe only on the CD? as most people will not have heard of it so won;t need it
[08:19] <nomed> yes
[08:19] <janimo> maybe on the CD only to keep install as small as posiible
[08:19] <nomed> janimo, well or installed and started ..
[08:19] <nomed> on just on the install cd ..
[08:19] <janimo> anyway will not be started or it will conflict with thunar
[08:19] <janimo> right, so on the CD but not in default install
[08:19] <nomed> k
[08:19] <janimo> desktop icons, we'll porbbaly make them default in xfdekstop
[08:20] <janimo> desktop notifications: I don';t know what could use them right now so probably not
[08:20] <janimo> 3)artwork
[08:21] <janimo> logo: I am very determined to use the mouse in circle
[08:21] <nomed> +1
[08:21] <janimo> but not sure about colors
[08:21] <nomed> yes
[08:21] <nomed> color scheme should be defined
[08:21] <janimo> this is something everyone will have an opinion about
[08:22] <janimo> hmm, but by whom? ubuntu-art, upstream xfce-art ?
[08:22] <janimo> they shoudl al lhave a say in that
[08:22] <janimo> even xfce upstream has not deicded on what to use fro 4.4
[08:23] <nomed> janimo, that theme i proposed is the one on which an xfce artist is working
[08:23] <janimo> icon theme: what is the status of tango with xfce?
[08:23] <janimo> nomed, yes I saw that on xfce-dev
[08:23] <nomed> janimo, it'll be just a little step
[08:23] <nomed> different for icon-naming spec ..
[08:23] <janimo> we may just use the rodent icon theme with the naming spec improvements they add until 4.4?
[08:23] <janimo> tango I find nicer
[08:24] <janimo> but maybe it's not complete enough
[08:24] <janimo> gtk engine should preferably be one of the fast ones
[08:24] <janimo> maybe not a cairo based on
[08:24] <nomed> i think an artist should propose something for this
[08:25] <janimo> do you have contacts with ubuntu art or xfce art by any chance?
[08:25] <janimo> cause I don;t
[08:25] <janimo> we have to invite these guys
[08:25] <nomed> we can try to post a message on the list
[08:25] <janimo> would be nice
[08:25] <nomed> artnay, ping ?
[08:25] <janimo> want to do it?
[08:26] <nomed> janimo, we can ask directly to artnay if he is here ..
[08:26] <janimo> ok
[08:26] <nomed> maybe he can do that
[08:26] <nomed> janimo, the problem here is that
[08:26] <nomed> first of all ...
[08:26] <janimo> he;s over in ubuntu-artwork
[08:26] <nomed> we should define a color palette
[08:27] <janimo> this is something I know little about
[08:27] <janimo> and a sensitive subject since it involves taste
[08:27] <nomed> eehehe
[08:27] <janimo> really the only input so far is do not look like kde
[08:27] <janimo> although I am not sure why the logo looks like kde, it does not really
[08:27] <nomed> janimo, graphite theme is neutral .....
[08:27] <janimo> blue but different
[08:28] <nomed> and it's ok even with blue ...
[08:28] <janimo> I like blue too
[08:29] <nomed> but xubuntu-artists are needed here :/
[08:29] <janimo> but i quickly get used to any color theme
[08:29] <janimo> I hope to get the first ISO out soon, and then in the announcement will ask for artists/docmuenters/translators
[08:29] <janimo> need to ping Colin and see possible ETA for CD building
[08:30] <nomed> that's would help very much
[08:30] <nomed> to get more people in xubuntu ...
[08:30] <janimo> you see even ubuntu gnome is undecided on art stuff and other things related to look and feel (logout dialog)
[08:31] <nomed> janimo, their problem is different .. i think
[08:31] <nomed> they've too much stuff :)
[08:31] <janimo> well once we announce we will have too :)
[08:31] <nomed> :)
[08:31] <janimo> proposals for themes/colors/flames :)
[08:31] <janimo> 4)Tasks
[08:31] <janimo> so we could meet in a week from now, same hour?
[08:32] <nomed> for me it's ok
[08:32] <janimo> till then, I'll hope to have evince, CD build sorted out
[08:32] <Gloubiboulga> I'll be there if my presence is needed :)
[08:32] <janimo> could you look into xarchiver and xarcvhive and see which is better?
[08:32] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: sure
[08:33] <nomed> i can yes
[08:33] <janimo> we need to decide on panel layout and menu
[08:33] <nomed> janimo, yes
[08:33] <janimo> I'll put something saner but not final next upload
[08:33] <janimo> so the panels are stretched
[08:34] <nomed> janimo, i'll write a wiki page for that ..
[08:34] <nomed> panel and menu
[08:34] <janimo> ok thanks, mail the report of xarchiver to xubuntu-dev
[08:34] <janimo> ok
[08:34] <nomed> ok
[08:34] <janimo> do you intend to package them too?
[08:34] <nomed> janimo, i can pkge them ...
[08:35] <janimo> if so put biinary debs or source packagesomewhere
[08:35] <janimo> but if not it's ok just say which is stabler
[08:35] <janimo> and generally better
[08:35] <nomed> ok
[08:35] <janimo> no need to package bith if we willonly use one
[08:35] <janimo> both
[08:35] <janimo> thanks
[08:35] <janimo> anything else?
[08:35] <nomed> janimo, no
[08:35] <janimo> we finsihed undr an hour, good :)
[08:35] <nomed> :)
[08:36] <janimo> ok have a nice evening then :)
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> cu janimo
[08:36] <janimo> see you next week, with hopefully good progress done
[08:36] <nomed> cu janimo Gloubiboulga
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> bye nomed
[08:36] <janimo> by Gloubiboulga
[08:36] <Vinze> Guess I"m late...
[08:36] <janimo> Vinze, yes :)
[08:36] <Vinze> Crap
[08:36] <janimo> you can read the backlog
[08:37] <Vinze> Anyway, I can do some translating...
[08:37] <janimo> that would be great
[08:37] <janimo> FR?
[08:37] <Vinze> NL
[08:37] <Vinze> I already help a bit on Xfce
[08:37] <Vinze> I did Thunar
[08:37] <janimo> good, we need translators
[08:37] <janimo> will probably ask on xfce-i18n once we have an iso out
[08:37] <Vinze> k
[08:38] <Vinze> I'm on that so I guess I'll notive
[08:38] <Vinze> notice
[08:46] <LaserJock> mdz: did you happen to get an email from crimsun about me (Jordan Mantha)?
[08:46] <mdz> no
[08:46] <LaserJock> :/
[08:56] <mjg59> Hi
[08:57] <mdz> hi
[08:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[08:57] <Vinze> Hey
[08:57] <LaserJock> hi everybody
[08:57] <Vinze> Hey
[08:58] <sabdfl> evening all
[08:58] <Vinze> hey
[08:59] <mdz> I've sent an SMS to Keybuk
[08:59] <mdz> only recurring items on the agenda today
[09:00] <mdz> we'll begin; hopefully Keybuk will join us
[09:01] <sabdfl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[09:01] <mdz> I think all of the pending membership applications for ubuntu-core-dev are invalid
[09:01] <mjg59> mdz: Matches what I thought
[09:01] <dholbach> mdz: I had no answer back from all of them.
[09:01] <sabdfl> yup
[09:01] <mdz> none of them are MOTUs or had prior contact with the TB about their applications
[09:02] <mdz> so I'll decline them all with an appropriate comment
[09:02] <sabdfl> i'll do that while you guys get stated on MOTU
[09:02] <mdz> ok, thanks
[09:02] <mdz> LaserJock: you're here?
[09:03] <mdz> glad you could make it at the scheduled time
[09:03] <LaserJock> well, I'm ditching a RL meeting to be here so hopefully I won't get in too much trouble
[09:03] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:03] <mdz> daring
[09:03] <mdz> LaserJock: I have your wiki page up, but would you like to summarize in a few sentences what it's all about for you?
[09:04] <LaserJock> I got started working for MOTU because I had a problem with a package and I wanted to fix
[09:04] <LaserJock> it
[09:04] <LaserJock> and Ubuntu was the first distro I  truly felt a part of the community and wanted to give back
[09:05] <LaserJock> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015279.html is an interview dholbach did of me for the MOTU Report
[09:05] <sabdfl> LaserJock: any suggestions for ways we can boost Utnubu?
[09:06] <LaserJock> sabdfl: I think the biggest thing is getting new MOTU wannabes involved and making it easy to get in touch with people
[09:06] <sabdfl> ok
[09:06] <LaserJock> most of the old timers know what they are doing or are more "set" in their ways
[09:06] <sabdfl> great wiki page, btw, very well laid out
[09:06] <mdz> LaserJock: can you tell us a bit about MOTUScience and your goals for it?
[09:07] <sabdfl> LaserJock: would you be interested in an Ubuntu derivative specifically for university use?
[09:07] <LaserJock> mdz: My main goal is to make sure that Ubuntu keeps up with Debian, and where possible provide a pathway for interested scientists to contribute
[09:07] <mdz> LaserJock: in what ways can we make Ubuntu more useful to the science community?
[09:07] <LaserJock> sabdfl: I'm more interested in making Ubuntu a good desktop for scientific use rather than a derivative, but Edubuntu is promising
[09:08] <LaserJock> mdz: providing free/open source packages as alternatives to traditional, expensive, proprietary apps
[09:08] <sabdfl> do you see the scientific community as different from the university one?
[09:08] <LaserJock> see w.u.c/UbuntuScientists for example
[09:08] <ogra_> yes, i hopw to work closer with the MOTUScience team for dapper+1, we want to get other apps in and also provide a more marture set of apps
[09:08] <ogra_> *hope
[09:09] <mdz> LaserJock: are there many plausible alternatives to proprietary scientific apps which are not yet available in Ubuntu?
[09:09] <mjg59> LaserJock: How do you think we can effectively market Ubuntu to scientists?
[09:09] <LaserJock> sabdfl: in some ways. the scientific community often lives inside the university, but is more geared towards research instead of education (in the traditional sense)
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[09:10] <LaserJock> mdz: yes, some. Kyral has been working on FlowDesigner for MOTUScience.
[09:10] <LaserJock> mjg59: By being a great desktop while also being able to provide scientific packages that are up-to-date, bug free ;-), and getting new packages in
[09:11] <sabdfl> mdz: is keybuk traveling for you?
[09:11] <mdz> sabdfl: yes
[09:11] <LaserJock> I am particularly interested in people using Ubuntu for writing dissertations and publications, data analysis,etc.
[09:12] <LaserJock> but a guy in the department yesterday had me get him an Ubuntu disk to put on his computational cluster because it worked better than SuSE
[09:12] <mdz> LaserJock: apart from improving Ubuntu to make it appealing to scientists, how can we let them know that it exists and might be useful to them?
[09:12] <mjg59> LaserJock: As a final year PhD student myself, I'm very interested in ways that I can get more people in the community running Ubuntu :)
[09:12] <sabdfl> ok, +1 for LaserJock from me
[09:13] <mdz> LaserJock: who has been sponsoring your uploads so far?
[09:13] <LaserJock> mdz: I think there is a pretty solid scientific base in Ubuntu, I think marketing Ubuntu as being able to run your science apps + having a good desktop experience
[09:14] <LaserJock> mjg59: by making it easy for students/researchers to get there work done and not getting in the way
[09:14] <lucas> being a MOTU, I was actually surprised to learn that LaserJock wasn't a MOTU yet. He really did a lot of excellent work inside MOTU, and he has been around for longer than I have. I very strongly recommend him for MOTU.
[09:14] <sistpoty> LaserJock has been around for a very long time, and his packaging work is really good :)
[09:14] <mdz> dholbach: any comments on LaserJock?
[09:15] <LaserJock> mdz: crimsun and \sh did a lot of sponsoring for me but again, crimsun was unable to make the meeting (I asked him to email dholbach or mdz) and \sh is sorta away it seems
[09:15] <dholbach> after there was not a real agreement on him in the last TB meeting I had a look at some of his patches/uploads and they were ok for me
[09:15] <mdz> thanks
[09:15] <LaserJock> Riddell also uploaded my first package from scratch (plotdrop)
[09:16] <mdz> Riddell: around?
[09:17] <Riddell> yes, plotdrop was in good shape when I reviewed it, which I think was after a few revisions on revu, so I advocate LaserJock as much as I can from 1 package
[09:17] <LaserJock> I think the 2 big issues as far as MOTUScience goes is licensing (getting upstreams to have DFSG free licenses) and bugs (lots of science apps are poorly maintained)
[09:18] <mdz> mjg59: any further questions?
[09:18] <LaserJock> I hope by organizing interested parties around science related apps we can help solve those issues
[09:18] <dholbach> those uploads weren't hardcore-deep-down-fixes, but what I like about LaserJock is that he tries to organize the MOTU world a bit and I think he'll be an asset for the last-weeks-fixing-up-dappers-universe - and I like his honesty, I don't think he would upload packages without being really sure (or having asked others)
[09:18] <mjg59> Nope, I think the combination of this and last time is good for me
[09:19] <mdz> ok
[09:19] <mdz> +1 from me based on peer recommendations and history of working within the community
[09:19] <mjg59> +1 for working on stuff I'd be doing if I had more time
[09:20] <mdz> ;-)
[09:20] <mdz> LaserJock: congratulations and welcome aboard
[09:20] <dholbach> congratulations LaserJock
[09:20] <sistpoty> congrats LaserJock! finally :)
[09:20] <lucas> :-) very good choice to get him in :-)
[09:20] <mdz> I think we had a couple of folks from the last meeting who were deferred due to lack of time
[09:20] <LaserJock> thanks TB and thanks all the MOTUs and wannabes
[09:20] <sabdfl> well done LaserJock
[09:20] <mdz> is anyone here in that category?
[09:21] <ogra> yay LaserJock !!
[09:21] <sivang> LaserJock: congrets!!
[09:21] <mdz> OK, if not, is there anyone else present who is applying for ubuntu-dev/MOTU membership/
[09:21] <mdz> s,/,?/
[09:21] <Tonio_> congrats LaserJock :)
[09:22] <jpatrick> congrats LaserJock :)
[09:22] <mdz> Ivailo Ivanov?
[09:22] <mdz> freeflying?
[09:22] <jpatrick> sleeping
[09:23] <mdz> if not, then we're finished
[09:23] <mdz> with memberships
[09:23] <mdz> is there any other business?
[09:24] <ogra> looks like we're done ...
[09:24] <mdz> hearing none, adjourned
[09:24] <dholbach> that must have been one of the quickest TB meetings :)
[09:24] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[09:24] <mjg59> Cool
[09:24] <mdz> mjg59: do you have a few minutes to send a summary to -devel-announce? should be a short one
[09:24] <mdz> mjg59: and I have to finish writing the last one
[09:24] <ogra> dholbach, we had quicker ones :) .... but that was really fast ... its carnival in 50% of the world :)
[09:25] <ogra> heh
[09:25] <sabdfl> night all
[09:25] <dolson> bye sabdfl
[09:25] <dholbach> night sabdfl
[09:25] <sabdfl> must mean that ubuntu dev's like to samba...
[09:25] <ogra> ciao sabdfl
[09:26] <sivang> mjg59: when you have a minute, we have an emacs problem we need to fix under xgl ;-)