[00:29] <RAOF> jamiebennett: I'm an SRU team member; if you coordinate with mwhudson about an SRU bug & upload, I'm happy to review.
[05:09] <tjaalton> infinity: I hadn't noticed you acked the lts drivers already, so I've no uploaded the last missing bit, xorg-lts-xenial..
[07:49] <infinity> tjaalton: Danke.
[07:49] <infinity> tjaalton: Is that the list bit?
[07:49] <tjaalton> last, yes
[07:51] <infinity> Err, yes.  last. :P
[07:51] <infinity> I'll review it this morning, flip the dailies over, and people can get to testing, hopefully.
[07:53] <tjaalton> there's an image building for an oem team right now, with this from the ppa
[08:04] <Laney> Ttrying nto load that site
[08:06] <Laney> argh
[08:11] <doko> python-cryptography (1.3.1-2 to 1.4-1)
[08:11] <doko> Maintainer: Tristan Seligmann
[08:11] <doko> 13 days old
[08:11] <doko> python-cryptography/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: python-cffi-backend-api-min (<= 9729)
[08:11] <doko> python-cryptography/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: python-cffi-backend-api-max (>= 9729)
[08:11] <doko> are we not able to handle versioned provides?
[08:14] <infinity> Possibly not.
[08:15] <doko> which package to file an issue?
[08:15] <infinity> Not sure if we have a project to track britney issues.
[08:15] <infinity> Odd are we just need to merge with Debian, unless this package is stuck there too.
[08:18] <doko> yes, migrated
[09:35] <cjwatson> infinity: should be a merge, yes
[09:35] <cjwatson> possibly a complicated one
[09:35] <cjwatson> that support was added in Debian relatively recently
[10:42] <infinity> pitti: Could you look into merging britney from Debian, so we can haz versioned provides support?
[10:42] <pitti> infinity: yeah, that's been on my list for a while; they dropped the RDEPENDS list though, I need to see whether there's a replacement (I think there is)
[10:43] <pitti> infinity: that's because of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#python-cryptography ?
[10:44] <infinity> pitti: Yeah.
[10:44] <pitti> we have such an enormous delta, that's going to take some effort
[10:45] <pitti> maybe I should convert our bzr branch to git first, so that I can do some sensible rebasing; would you mind moving to git?
[10:45] <infinity> pitti: All for it.
[10:59] <infinity> tjaalton:
[10:59] <infinity> -Package: xserver-xorg-video-all
[10:59] <infinity> +Package: xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-xenial
[10:59] <infinity>  Architecture: any
[10:59] <infinity>  Depends:
[10:59] <infinity>   xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu [!hurd-any !kfreebsd-any !s390x],
[10:59] <infinity> - xserver-xorg-video-ati [!hurd-any !s390x],
[10:59] <infinity> - xserver-xorg-video-fbdev [!s390x],
[10:59] <infinity> + xserver-xorg-video-ati-lts-xenial [!hurd-any !s390x],
[10:59] <infinity> + xserver-xorg-video-fbdev-lts-xenial [!s390x],
[10:59] <infinity> tjaalton: What's wrong with that first depends line?
[11:00] <tjaalton> ha
[11:00] <infinity> tjaalton: input has similar issues.
[11:00] <infinity> tjaalton: For synaptics.
[11:02] <tjaalton> and can drop kbd/mouse
[11:03] <infinity> tjaalton: Drop or not, doesn't matter, since it's arch-qualified to oblivion.
[11:03] <infinity> tjaalton: Rejected for the other two issues, though.
[11:03] <tjaalton> true
[11:04] <pitti> infinity: awesome, bzr fast-export crashes on a UnicodeDecodeError *sigh*
[11:05] <infinity> pitti: Watch me be shocked.
[11:07] <tjaalton> infinity: uploaded a new one
[11:07] <infinity> tjaalton: Ta.
[11:08] <infinity> pitti: I hope your infra is happy today, I'm going to copy over a glibc to -proposed in a few minutes.
[11:08] <pitti> infinity: yes, it is
[11:08] <pitti> infinity: not for long :)
[11:08] <infinity> Heh.
[11:08] <infinity> I can upload perl and kdelibs too, if that will help?
[11:09] <pitti> infinity: please, and new pythons
[11:09]  * pitti goes to clean up the armhf runners then
[11:10] <pitti> infinity: one s390x machine is AWOL again (<IP_ADDRESS>), it would help if you could resussitate that?
[11:10] <infinity> cpaelzer: ^
[11:11] <infinity> pitti: I keep forgetting how.  I'm a bad mainframe user.
[11:11] <cpaelzer> infinity: ? ... reading
[11:12] <cpaelzer> infinity: I won't have the logins needed but you surely have - let me try to help sorting out what needs to be done :-)
[11:13] <cpaelzer> infinity: I guess you want to log into the z/VM host and "restart" it, that means knowing the disk it is bootet from and ipling from it - is that what you want to do?
[11:13] <infinity> cpaelzer: Probably? :P
[11:13] <cpaelzer> infinity: ok, let me try how far I get without asking you for passwords to foundation/LP machines
[11:13] <infinity> I thought you bounced it for pitti last time.  Maybe it was xnox.
[11:13] <pitti> yes, usually xnos, and sometimes tinoco
[11:14] <cpaelzer> they both have the logins needed for your z/VM host
[11:15] <infinity> I might.  But not sure.
[11:15] <infinity> I have a logon here for something. ;)
[11:15] <infinity> Not the right something.
[11:17] <cpaelzer> steps that have to be taken: 1. find which guest that IP belongs to - it was (?intentionally?) not added to the systemz HW doc
[11:17] <infinity> So maybe we want an xnox or tinoco.
[11:17] <cpaelzer> I guess it is LM120C (C=12)
[11:17] <cpaelzer> then log into the z/VM Host and IPL it from there - yes you want one of the two
[11:17] <cpaelzer> and you can ask them that they share the logins with me so I can help another day if you have trouble early in the day
[11:18] <cpaelzer> infinity: well if you sign it off I can ask them, but I'd need some sort of authorized ack for that request
[11:18] <cpaelzer> not to say I could shred all your disks, but at least I couldn't read them - so it's safe
[11:19] <infinity> cpaelzer: If all you ever do is handle reboot requests, I'm sure I can trust you to do that. :P
[11:19] <cpaelzer> lol
[11:21] <infinity> tjaalton: That looks more plausibly correct.
[11:23] <tjaalton> infinity: great, thx
[11:23] <infinity> pitti: I'm curious how you're killing yours.  Other than the posixtestsuite vs. kernel thing, I've not been able to kill my z/VM buildds.
[11:23] <infinity> pitti: And I sure try.
[11:24] <pitti> heh, I wish I'd know
[11:24] <pitti> as soon as it dies, I have no access to it whatsoever
[11:24] <pitti> but we did install kerneloops back then
[11:24] <infinity> And no reasonable logging to see what it was doing right before death?
[11:24] <pitti> maybe it left a pile of poo somewhere
[11:24] <pitti> well, we do have the worker logs, so we know which test ran
[11:25] <pitti> but that's not very insightful, as it happens with several different ones which also run fine at other times
[11:25] <infinity> Irksome.
[11:50] <pitti> infinity: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+git/britney2-ubuntu \o/
[11:51] <pitti> (just a straight import, no rebase/merge yet -- I'll start that after lunch)
[12:04] <infinity> [ubuntu/yakkety-proposed] glibc 2.23-1ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[12:05] <infinity> pitti: ^-- Enjoy.
[12:06] <teward> would it be far-fetched to presume July 22nd is the EOL date for 15.10?
[12:07] <teward> going by 9 months' time, and the date of its initial release
[12:07] <infinity> teward: Might be a bit later than that, but ish.
[12:08] <teward> infinity: just trying to ballpark it - over on Ask Ubuntu I have a habit of trying to give 1 months notice about the EOL date :p
[12:08] <infinity> teward: I give 3 weeks.
[12:08] <infinity> For non-LTS.
[12:08] <teward> ack
[12:09] <infinity> Usually.
[12:09] <infinity> I suppose I could cut this one down a bit.
[12:09] <infinity> But I think I'll EOL on the 28th.
[12:09] <infinity> Which means an announce todayish.
[12:11]  * infinity goes copy-and-pasting.
[12:12] <teward> heh


[11:06] <timmeeej2> hi, I found this wallpaper on the web and I think it's absolutely beautiful to use a wallpaper and I think it should make a perfect Ubuntu wallpaper. Where and how could I submit it to the art-team?
[11:06] <timmeeej2> this is it: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/details.php?id=997
[11:28] <nysosym> good morning
[06:40] <Renan_s2> Hello, where could I find the Ubuntu logo in SVG format?
[10:16] <nysosym> !seen fschoep


[02:20] <kenvandine> bigon, not yet... do we need it?
[03:08] <bigon> kenvandine: yep for farsight2
[18:09] <Creeper> /server irc.averred.net


[03:38] <Aussie_matt> Hi all: I have some (probably) simple questions; I'm seeking to setup a small arm file server for home (I can handle that side of it), but once up and running, it will be headless: How does one maintain the server from then on? through ssh? I've never had to consider this before any help most appreciated.
[23:56] <smallfoot-> the i386 and amd64 packages are on archive.ubuntu.com
[23:56] <smallfoot-> but where are the ARM packages?
[23:57] <k1l> ports.ubuntu.com
[23:57] <smallfoot-> I see
[23:57] <smallfoot-> Why are ARM and x86 on different subdomains?
[23:57] <smallfoot-> Why are not they all on the same place?


[04:22] <dd3> when was "api.launchpad.net" introduced? I'm looking at a repository which uses launchpad.net as their api endpoint, should they switch to api.launchpad.net?


[12:28] <mvo> jibel: "+ [jibel] provide a option to run the upgrade with "eatmydata" (for the upgrade+tester): DONE" \o/ - where can I merge it?
[12:32] <mvo> jibel: and did I mention that you rock? lp:~jibel/update-manager/AutoUpgradeTester-universe ftw!
[12:40] <jibel> mvo, re eatmydata, I didn't proposed a merge, the gain was 10s on a 13 minutes upgrade. do you think it's worth it ?
[12:40] <jibel> mvo, we'd better preallocate disk space and use tmpfs
[12:41] <mvo> hm, that sounds like something went wrong and it was not used?
[12:41] <mvo> if thats all, then its indeed not worth it
[12:43] <jibel> mvo, nope, I think kvm spend more time extending the disk than dkpg doing fsyncs.
[12:47]  * mvo nods
[16:38] <jibel> mvo, to catch deconf prompts during automated upgrades, I use the editor frontend and set EDITOR="cat>logfile"
[16:38] <jibel> mvo, but the upgrade-tester uses DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive.py frontend which forces DEBIAN_FRONTEND to ... noninteractive
[16:39] <jibel> mvo, do you think of any other way to do that, or should I change DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive.py to no change the frontend if it already exists in the environment ?
[16:40] <mvo> jibel: please make DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive.py setup the EDITOR and DEBIAN_FRONTEND=editor envs
[16:40] <mvo> jibel: that will still be non-interactive, right? but also log whats going on
[16:40] <mvo> jibel: alternatively we could make it a config option
[16:41] <jibel> mvo, right, it is still non-interactive, setting editor to cat is like pressing enter to all questions
[16:42] <mvo> jibel: aesome, so it fits into there
[16:42] <jibel> mvo, great, thanks
[18:16] <GrueMaster> stgraber: I can't login to the iso.qa.ubuntu.com site.  favicon.ico missing.
[18:17] <stgraber> GrueMaster: confirmed ... not quite sure what's going on there, having a look now
[18:18] <stgraber> GrueMaster: better now?
[18:19] <stgraber> I blamed the cache as usual, wiped it and turned it off for now, seems to work here
[18:19] <GrueMaster> Yep, that worked for me.
[18:21] <GrueMaster> One of these days I need to figure out a way to automate marking the daily core images as tested.  I have a jenkins job that tests all 4 images daily.
[19:21] <stgraber> GrueMaster: the API works fine for that now. Want an example script?
[19:21] <stgraber> I'm pushing the daily upgrade tests this way
[19:21] <GrueMaster> Sure.  email me a copy.
[19:28] <stgraber> GrueMaster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/807762/
[19:28] <stgraber> GrueMaster: you can set your API key here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/profile
[19:30] <GrueMaster> And I create this key...how?
[19:33] <GrueMaster> grrr.  I'm hitting an acpi error on my serial console box.
[19:37] <stgraber> GrueMaster: put whatever you want in there and use that value in the script instead of your actual password
[19:38] <GrueMaster> Ah, ok.  Kind of a pass-phrase thing.
[19:38] <stgraber> yeah, that's to avoid having you put your SSO password cleartext in a script :)
[19:39] <stgraber> to test you can either go look on the tracker or chck the value of resultid, a value of -1 means something failed, otherwise you'll get the id of the result on the tracker
[19:40] <GrueMaster> Ok.  I'll experiment with it shortly.
[19:40] <GrueMaster> Gotta fix my serial console server first.
[19:40] <stgraber> cool, let me know if you have any problem


[06:58] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:09] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:11] <bigcalm> Morning MartijnVdS
[07:12] <bigcalm> Hi aq, still lagging?
[07:14] <Myrtti> arg I can't decide if I should have breakfast before shower
[07:15] <Myrtti> and I *still* don't have nice tea
[07:17] <bigcalm> Myrtti: have breakfast in the shower
[07:17] <bigcalm> Not sure what would survive. Sausages maybe?
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> beer
[07:18] <Myrtti> I don't really have either
[07:20] <bigcalm> 1st time I've seen hotel internet done right: http://www.speedtest.net/result/3012715260.png
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> more up than down? wut?
[07:20] <bigcalm> Yeah, fun eh?
[07:21] <Myrtti> seed all the Linux
[07:21] <Myrtti> no, don't
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: leave positive reviews for it!
[07:22] <bigcalm> Yus yus
[07:22] <bigcalm> Free wifi didn't work
[07:23] <bigcalm> Saw a patch lead on the desk in the hotel room (surprised that it hadn't been pinched). Gave it a go and was nicely surprised
[07:24] <bigcalm> Tempted to stay in my hotel room rather than go to the conference now
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> heheh
[07:28] <bigcalm> Morning dogmatic69
[07:29] <dogmatic69> yo bigcalm
[07:29] <dogmatic69> finishing off my shed/office
[07:30] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: do you know Richard McIntyre? Met him this morning at the phpnw13 conference breakfast. He appears to have done some cakephp talks
[07:30] <bigcalm> Aha, a man cave?
[07:30] <dogmatic69> ye, I think I met him
[07:31] <dogmatic69> quite a hippy kinda looking guy?
[07:32] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: yeah, he's got dreadlocks
[07:33] <bigcalm> It's great to meet PHP devs outside of IRC
[07:38]  * bigcalm regrets waking up at 6.45am now
[07:47] <bigcalm> Time to be conferencey
[07:47] <bigcalm> Toodles
[08:34] <popey> morning
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:54] <Myrtti> derp
[08:54] <Myrtti> I just realised that the charger cable for the Nokia QI thing I bought comes off from both ends
[08:54] <Myrtti> and has a Nokia charger plug end on both ends.
[08:54] <Myrtti> so I don't actually have to knit anything to cover the cable.d
[08:55] <Myrtti> I feel a bit stupid now.
[09:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:07] <popey> \o/ wired xbox controller arrived
[09:10] <brobostigon> less batteries to run out, always good.
[09:12] <popey> ok, that works
[09:15] <brobostigon> :)
[13:17] <Azelphur> Oh look, slashdot has cottoned on to what I've been saying for the past few months http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/10/05/0021237/nvidia-removed-linux-driver-feature-for-feature-parity-with-windows
[13:17] <Azelphur> \o/
[13:52] <ali1234> Azelphur: that was posted ages ago tho
[15:00] <SuperEngineer> Am I the only one who's Gwibber [in 12.04] has stopped updating from Facebook as of 3 days ago?
[15:00] <SuperEngineer> [& hi folks!]
[15:35] <kecskebak> Sorry I keep logging out and in again, but Chromium crashes and freezes Kubuntu solid about four times a day.
[15:36] <kecskebak> You have to switch on and off again - it's not very graceful when it goes down!
[16:40] <ali1234> so i used paint stripper to get the varnish off some wood panels
[16:41] <ali1234> now it looks like someone smeared chocolate all over them
[16:41] <ali1234> how am i supposed to clean that off?
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: yum, yum - licky licky#
[16:44] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b7HfOdzHVKw#t=97 <- LIIIEEEEEES
[16:44] <ali1234> that is blatantly a different door
[17:26] <light_> greetings
[17:51] <arc__> hi i need help i have just installed open ssh and i followed a totorial but my mac can't connect to it
[17:58] <arc__> hi i need help i have just installed open ssh and i followed a totorial but my mac can't connect to it
[17:58] <arc__> can anyone help
[17:58] <arc__> sorry my connection lagged out
[18:00] <Myrtti> so what part are you having trouble with?
[18:02] <arc__> i can see my laptop (ubuntu ssh) on my mac but it will always say connection failed but i have not put any authorisation keys in the .ssh folder
[18:03] <arc__> this is the tutorial i used http://web.archive.org/web/20100719220308/http://blog.ibd.com/sysadmin/bonjour-avahi-netatalk-to-share-files-files-between-ubuntu-10-4-mac-os-x/
[18:04] <arc__> i know it is a bit out dated but i am using 12.04 lts
[18:10] <daftykins> arc__: have you confirmed SSH is running? what happens, it just times out?
[18:10] <daftykins> or instant failure
[18:10] <arc__> sorry but how can i check through terminal
[18:11] <daftykins> netstat -tuln
[18:11] <daftykins> you should see port 22 listening on both tcp and tcp6
[18:12] <arc__> it is only listening on tcp6
[18:14] <daftykins> that could be why you're having issues if you're trying to connect using a v4 IP
[18:17] <X98Hacker> hi sorry abut that internet when it is me arc__
[18:17] <X98Hacker> so it is only listening on tcp6 not tcp
[18:18] <daftykins> that could be why you're having issues if you're trying to connect using a v4 IP
[18:19] <arc__> ok but how do i do that (my nickname came back)
[18:19] <daftykins> so from your mac you're typing what? "ssh <IP_ADDRESS>" ?
[18:20] <arc__> i am not typeing anything it can see it but when i click on it it says connection failed
[18:21] <daftykins> oh right, so that's file sharing connection, not SSH
[18:22] <arc__> if you had a look at the link i posted u might be able to understand my problem
[18:22] <daftykins> i did look
[18:23] <daftykins> hrmm
[18:26] <arc__> do i need to port forward
[18:27] <daftykins> not if they're both on the same LAN, no
[18:27] <arc__> ok cool and they are in the same lan anyway
[18:29] <arc__> but i have enabled web sharing on my mac with enables a apache web server but i can't connect to that ether
[18:30] <daftykins> so both these computers are behind a home router, yes?
[18:32] <daftykins> can you pastebin (paste.ubuntu.com) the output of "ifconfig -a" on the ubuntu system? or you can "apt-get install pastebinit" then run "ifconfig -a | pastebinit"
[18:34] <arc__> kk wait a sec
[18:35] <arc__> here u go http://paste.ubuntu.com/6197620/
[18:36] <arc__> oh i forgot i am not connected to my router at the min
[18:36] <arc__> i am mobile interneting
[18:36] <arc__> i recenty diconnected my ethernet cable
[18:37] <arc__> my router is strictly off the internet
[18:39] <daftykins> usb0 0o some kinda USB wireless dongle?
[18:39] <arc__> sorry
[18:40] <arc__> no its most likely my mobile (xperia) thethered
[18:41] <daftykins> ah right. in which case that system doesn't have a LAN IP so i'm not surprised nothing is connecting to it
[18:42] <daftykins> eth0 shows no IP address
[18:43] <arc__>  i can connect my router but it will disconnect me from the interweb can i fix that
[18:43] <daftykins> is the ubuntu system a server install?
[18:43] <arc__> no
[18:45] <daftykins> you'd probably have to wrestle with network manager a bit
[18:45] <arc__> kk :)
[18:45] <daftykins> a guide online might be easier to find, i wouldn't know where to start
[18:46] <arc__> ok i might stick to usb file sharing at the min then :(
[18:48] <arc__> unless i install osx server or ubuntubppc on my mac
[18:48] <daftykins> samba could work (:
[18:49] <daftykins> but i'm not quite sure how you're using your phone tethering, that'll make things fun no doubt
[18:50] <arc__> no i connect to my router when i try to file share
[18:51] <arc__> my mobile is connected to the carrier (3) and is linked to my laptop for mobile internet
[18:51] <arc__> that pushes the bar down a bit :)
[18:52] <daftykins> sure but do you juggle the phone between these computers?
[18:53] <arc__> yes and no i boot into win 7 and use network bridgeing to provide for my mac using a single cable
[18:54] <arc__> I have to go now my food is ready i will be on at 9:00 or 10:00 uk tome (GMT 0)
[18:54] <arc__> uk time i mean
[18:54] <daftykins> think we're still on BST :D
[18:55] <arc__> sorry i forgot #ubuntu-uk :D
[18:55] <arc__> email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:56] <arc__> alsi i live in cov
[18:56] <arc__> coventry
[18:56] <arc__> see u later
[18:56] <daftykins> hf
[19:01] <mralc> hi
[19:02] <daftykins> greetings
[19:03] <mralc> how is everyone
[19:03] <penguin42> full
[19:04] <daftykins> tad bored
[19:04] <daftykins> oh i was going to tidy up the house - :)
[19:04] <mralc> Yes but it saturday night
[19:04] <daftykins> ...so?
[19:04] <mralc> and then nothing on tv
[19:06] <mralc> i am new to linux
[19:06] <mralc> and from the uk
[19:06] <penguin42> mralc: Welcome on board
[19:07] <mralc> i am windows/vmware consultant
[19:08] <mralc> but have been meaning to get into linux for ages, but had a chance at work to using it and really like it
[19:08] <daftykins> ^_^
[19:08] <penguin42> mralc: Good! Now have you got Linux installed as vmware guests?
[19:09] <mralc> yes
[19:09] <mralc> i have been using centos alot
[19:10] <mralc> but i have a old hp laptop which i have installed xbuntu on
[19:15] <mralc> but the fan seem to be going all the time
[19:20] <mralc> wb
[19:20] <mralc> back
[19:20] <daftykins> no, you left :D
[19:20] <daftykins> wb to you!
[19:51] <mralc> i have a question on partitioning on my hardrive
[19:51] <mralc> i have a question on partitioning my hardrive
[19:52] <brobostigon> fire away, someone who knows will answer.
[19:54] <mralc> is best idea to create 3 partitions for a standard install of ubuntu i have a 120 GB in my laptop
[19:54] <mralc> 1 for root,home and swap?
[20:06] <daftykins> mralc: yeah, i do it that way
[20:06] <daftykins> although i also like to partition /boot but i don't think it gives any advantages
[20:06] <mralc> i was going to ask about boot
[20:07] <mralc> who size is recommenced for root?
[20:07] <daftykins> if you're going for a desktop 13.04 install, likely 15-20GB would be a good size
[20:08] <daftykins> then you can allocate the majority of space to your /home for your personal data
[20:08] <daftykins> mralc: so you can hibernate and sleep, you're going to want to make swap equal to or slightly larger than your RAM size
[20:10] <mralc> thank you
[20:20] <Myrtti> dumdidumdidum http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/10105473956/
[21:28] <dutchie> who's good for SSDs nowadays?
[21:30] <daftykins> Samsung and Crucial
[21:30] <daftykins> i'd mainly go for the longest warranty you can get from one of their (non-TLC) drives, which don't use a sandforce controller
[21:31] <dutchie> tlc?
[21:32] <daftykins> triple level cell
[21:32] <daftykins> you want to stick to MLC based drives ideally
[21:32] <daftykins> the samsung 840 pro hasn't really been beaten worthily yet
[21:33] <dutchie> ooh, and it's not outrageously expensive
[21:33] <daftykins> :D
[21:34] <daftykins> is it going in a SATA 6Gbps system?
[21:34] <dutchie> it might be
[21:34] <daftykins> cool
[21:34]  * dutchie checks which sata ports are free
[21:35] <shauno> I've been eyeing the 840's too, since they're going up to 1TB without being *too* silly expensive now
[21:35] <daftykins> i think i saw a £400 1TB SSD the other day :O pretty good price i think
[21:35] <daftykins> it may've been the Samsung Evo though, not a top performer
[21:35] <dutchie> student loan doesn't stretch quite that far
[21:36] <daftykins> haha
[21:36] <shauno> yeah, the evo.  it's not cheap, about e500 .. but it's tempting
[21:36] <dutchie> yay, i do have a 6Gbps free
[21:36] <dutchie> not sure why the optical drive is plugged into it
[21:36] <daftykins> haha
[21:36] <daftykins> kick that sucker off
[21:51] <dutchie> now i just have to decide whether i want 256GB or 128 :/
[21:52] <hamitron> I'm waiting for my 64GB one
[21:52] <hamitron> ;)
[21:54] <hamitron> way I see it, if you spend half the amount now, you'll have the other half free to spend on a larger faster one at a later date
[21:54] <hamitron> and you are losing no speed now... just need to make do with less space
[21:55] <dutchie> hmm that kind of makes sense
[21:55] <hamitron> it does when someone is a cheap git (like me)
[21:55] <hamitron> ;)
[21:56] <dutchie> but the plan is to use btrfs raid0 to give me more storage as current one is nearly full
[21:59] <hamitron> you are getting 2?
[21:59] <dutchie> i've got one alread
[21:59] <dutchie> y
[22:00] <hamitron> isn't btrfs that fs to help secure data?
[22:00] <hamitron> or maybe I've got things mixed
[22:01] <hamitron> rm -rf /some/random/file/*
[22:01] <hamitron> not full now
[22:01] <hamitron> :)
[22:14] <penguin42> hamitron: Just remember raid0 makes it twice as likely to lose your data
[22:15] <hamitron> more likely imo
[22:15] <hamitron> :/
[22:15] <daftykins> yip RAID 0 should be used only for things you don't care about
[22:15] <dutchie> yeah i have backups :)
[22:16] <daftykins> for example, storing your mother's TV soaps on
[22:16] <hamitron> daftykins, haha
[22:16] <daftykins> :D
[22:16] <hamitron> I just can't see a point in mixing a fs to protect data, with a hardware setup to more than offset that
[22:17] <hamitron> but I haven't moved with the times, still stuck on ext3
[22:17] <hamitron> ;)
[22:18] <daftykins> :O
[22:19] <daftykins> why-so?
[22:19] <hamitron> I have a few reasons
[22:19] <hamitron> 1) loads of data already on the drives
[22:20] <hamitron> 2) old fs lets me use old OS and tools should I need to
[22:20] <hamitron> 3) lazy
[22:20] <daftykins> :>
[22:20] <daftykins> that's kinda why my file server is still Windows, NTFS volume
[22:20] <hamitron> :-o
[22:21] <daftykins> nowhere else to slap 5TB of stuff :D
[22:21] <hamitron> yeh, storage is a real issue these days
[22:21] <hamitron> speed is coming, just no storage
[22:21] <hamitron> :/
[22:21] <daftykins> or digital hoarding :D
[22:22] <hamitron> I want a couple of 8TB hdd
[22:22] <hamitron> with more than 1 year warranty
[22:22] <shauno> yeah, I think packrats are the real issue there :p
[22:22] <daftykins> :D
[22:22] <hamitron> and for under 100 quid
[22:22] <daftykins> it's great having local media though
[22:22] <daftykins> i'm not a fan of this streaming malarkey
[22:23]  * hamitron neither
[22:23] <hamitron> I still have friends on dialup
[22:23] <daftykins> whaaaaat D:
[22:23] <daftykins> rural areas?
[22:23] <hamitron> yeh
[22:24] <hamitron> one of them could get DSL if he turned off one of his electric fences
[22:24] <daftykins> hahaha
[22:25] <hamitron> but tbh, I like local files
[22:25] <hamitron> can move them to my phone to watch remotely
[22:27] <hamitron> grrrr
[22:27] <hamitron> wish i had my ssd now
[22:27] <hamitron> wanna play
[22:27] <hamitron> :/
[22:27] <daftykins> :D
[22:27] <hamitron> only ordered it because I have 2 hdd I like to raid 0
[22:27] <daftykins> i have a new one for my server coming soon
[22:28] <hamitron> and they seem unstable with my new motherboard
[22:28] <hamitron> (cause it to freeze and cook the cpu)
[22:29] <ali1234> i don't like copying a huge file on to my phone that i will only watch once
[22:30] <daftykins> because of the NAND writes?
[22:30] <ali1234> no because it takes ages
[22:30] <daftykins> haha
[22:30] <ali1234> 3 hours to copy a movie
[22:30] <ali1234> i could have watched it on my computer in 1.5
[22:30] <hamitron> haha
[22:30] <ali1234> therefore i prefer streaming local files
[22:30] <hamitron> well, I had some tutorials I like to repeatedly watch
[22:31] <hamitron> whilst on the bus to training
[22:31] <shauno> it takes 3 hours to copy it but it'll stream in realtime?
[22:31] <ali1234> i know, weird right?
[22:31] <hamitron> can't you transcode to smaller files?
[22:32] <ali1234> well the ideal would e a streaming server that does that automatically
[22:33] <ali1234> nexus 7 can't play HD videos anyway... it can barely play SD mpeg2
[22:33] <hamitron> :/
[22:33] <hamitron> get a lumia
[22:33] <hamitron> ;)
[22:33] <ali1234> it can play HD if it is the right format of course, they all can
[22:34] <ali1234> but stuff recorded from TV in mpeg is not the right format, so you have to use software players or reencode it
[22:34] <ali1234> same for ripped dvds
[22:34] <hamitron> no excuse to not re-encode with todays cpu
[22:34] <hamitron> ;/
[22:34] <ali1234> sure there is
[22:34] <ali1234> reencoding makes it look crappier
[22:35] <hamitron> on a phone screen, from a dvd hardly matters
[22:35] <ali1234> then you need two copies
[22:35] <ali1234> basically i just avoid watching videos on my phone because it sucks
[22:35] <hamitron> oh, I only keep the master copy
[22:35] <hamitron> :)
[22:36] <hamitron> yeh, probably best, unless you want it for a reason
[22:36] <shauno> yeah, I'd have to be pretty desperate to watch a movie on my phone
[22:37] <hamitron> mine are mostly vids of something I am trying to improve in boxing or something
[22:37] <hamitron> no way I'd watch a movie/film
[22:37] <shauno> especially now that I've mastered the art of passing out with ryanair screaming down my ears
[22:37] <daftykins> XD
[22:37] <hamitron> heck, I tried to watching a film on a 32" tv the other day, and didn't enjoy it
[22:38] <daftykins> are they the ones with the ridiculous rules on how few items you can carry onto the plane?
[22:38] <daftykins> i flew to Cork from Southampton/London with them
[22:38] <hamitron> 20 mins in, moved to another room with a larger display
[22:38] <daftykins> found it quite shocking :>
[22:39] <shauno> oh they have rediculous rules for everything.  but yeah.  "one carry-on" means one.  no exceptions for laptop bags, camera bags, handbags, etc
[22:39] <hamitron> what if 2 bags are linked?
[22:40] <shauno> it's best just to put one inside the other.  trying to argue your case is rarely productive
[22:40] <hamitron> so that 65 litre rucksack is useful
[22:40] <hamitron> :)
[22:41] <shauno> there's rules for size & weight too :p
[22:41] <hamitron> damn :/
[22:41] <hamitron> I don't wanna fly on an airline anyway
[22:41] <shauno> but trying to beat them is like .. phoning home and saying, well .. the good news is I was right.  the bad news is I won't be home tonight
[22:41] <ali1234> just avoid ryanair and easyjet. problem solved
[22:42] <hamitron> and that foreign one with drinking and flying pilots
[22:42] <hamitron> ;)
[22:42] <shauno> that's rarely an option from here
[22:42] <ali1234> that's not a problem. the planes fly themselves anyway
[22:42] <ali1234> i'd feel safer if the pilot was asleep tbh
[22:43] <shauno> heh, yeah .. there's an old joke about modern planes being flown by one pilot and one dog.  the pilot's there to feed the dog.  the dog's there to bite the pilot ifhe tries to mess with the buttons
[22:44] <hamitron> :)
[22:44] <hamitron> didn't realise they referred to female pilots so impolitely
[22:44] <hamitron> ;)
[22:48] <daftykins> dude.
[22:48] <shauno> :/
[23:49] <penguin42> curious, I wonder how I got an O2 Wifi signal around here
[23:49] <daftykins> 0o
[23:50] <daftykins> just someones broadband provider? branded router perhaps
[23:51] <penguin42> ah, unless the 'probe' line in kismet means that something was trying to connect to one rather than I heard one?
[23:53] <ali1234> could be