[07:55] <LjL> soulrider: personally i'd say Gnome, even though i'm a KDE user...
[07:55] <soulrider> i wanted something light for my moms comp since i don think it will be able to handle KDE properly
[07:55] <LjL> tdn: you'll have all the same programs. most settings should also be the same, though i cannot guarantee it. you'll still be left with the ubuntu splash screen for instance
[07:56] <LjL> soulrider: then perhaps you could try going with xubuntu. but that's not *terribly* newbie-friendly
[07:56] <tdn> LjL, hmm... Ok. That's ok. I like the caramel color better than the blue one :)
[07:56] <proger> I dont have 2d driver installed, the only way I can get it is from VideoCard vendor?
[07:56] <soulrider> yea, thats the problem
[07:56] <LjL> soulrider: (besides, myself i don't much believe in "lightweight" environments... since in the end, you're probably going to use the very same big, memory-hungry programs as everybody does on Gnome or KDE... Firefox, OpenOffice, etc)
[07:56] <soulrider> i wanted to try XFCE
[07:56] <soulrider> yea
[07:56] <tdn> soulrider, or if you *really* want light weight, then go for OpenBox. It can be set up to be very nice.
[07:57] <soulrider> well, my mom kind of only uses Opera, so it sno big deal
[07:57] <LjL> soulrider: what's the machine specs like?
[07:57] <LjL> less than 192 megs of RAM makes ubuntu real terrible IMHO
[07:57] <LjL> (and i mean kubuntu as well)
[07:57] <soulrider> its a toshiba laptop, 2.8 ghz celeron processor with 256 RAM but shared with video
[07:58] <LjL> soulrider: well, it doesn't sound that bad to me. i'm running with less -- except for the RAM
[07:58] <zorglu_> xcfe ?
[07:58] <soulrider> they sell ti with win XP but it runs like ASS
[07:58] <soulrider> yea, RAM is what concerns me
[07:58] <LjL> soulrider: but 256megs isn't *so* bad either
[07:58] <LjL> soulrider: i dunno, i think you'll find both Gnome and KDE run nice enough...
[07:58] <soulrider> i got edgy knot 2 installe don vmware
[07:59] <LjL> sure, openoffice will take a while to load. but has anybody ever seen it *not* doing that?
[07:59] <soulrider> im gonna install gnome and see how it looks and feels
[07:59] <ibert> fdoving: I solved it. It was a wrong keyboard layout. funny that the switch to the vt was the first thing I noticed :-) thanks
[07:59] <soulrider> i installed XFCE on it but it crashes when i load it
[08:00] <soulrider> another thing that concerns me is the wireless network
[08:00] <LjL> soulrider: i'd go with gnome because 1) it's more polished than KDE, on ubuntu  2) it's got many less options, which can be annoying to "more advanced" users but is probably better for newbies.   i'd just leave XFCE alone because 1) it's harder to use  2) i don't think it really gains any big performances advantages, unless you're *very* careful with the programs you use
[08:00] <proger> i wondering why RAM usage is very big when Im running KDE, almost 90 %percents are used, wheni m running only Konvesationand Kaffeine?
[08:00] <LjL> but you'll find that on this kind of issues, everybody disagrees
[08:01] <zorglu_> proger: do 'free' and put it in pastebin
[08:01] <proger> ok
[08:01] <LjL> proger: RAM is almost invariably all taken up (or almost) on linux -- that's because it cashes everything that can be cashed. as long as you're not swapping too much, it should be ok.
[08:03] <soulrider> yea i got  1 gb or RAM and its allwaye being used :P but i think i gotta blame azureus for that too
[08:03] <proger> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25208/
[08:03] <proger> i noticedno swapping was used
[08:03] <zorglu_> proger: in reality you got 733Mbyte of free ram
[08:03] <zorglu_> proger: and 1gbyte of swap
[08:04] <LjL> proger: well, cache isn't accounting for *very* much... but still there's no swap being used, so i shoudln't worry.  maybe kaffeine is just caching a lot of stuff
[08:04] <zorglu_> proger: the cache LjL was talking about is 'buffer' and 'cached' column
[08:04] <zorglu_> proger: 600mbyte are used only to make the whole system faster
[08:04] <zorglu_> proger: they will be automatically freed if an apps need them
[08:05] <proger> fromwhere you got this number - 733Mbyte?
[08:06] <soulrider> uhm im sure that if i tell ym mom what "ubuntu" means she will wanna use it :P
[08:06] <proger> i must bee blind
[08:06] <proger> i see it now
[08:07] <zorglu_> proger: yep, read my explaination and look at the pastebin, you will get it :)
[08:07] <zorglu_> soulrider: show her mandela :)
[08:08] <proger> returning tothat 2d driver problem, these drivers are avalaibleobly from vendor, or exists some common drivers?
[08:09] <proger> i worried because i cant find driver from vendor's (ati) site
[08:09] <zorglu_> proger: first step, identify what is your video card
[08:09] <XVampireX> Can anyone tell me what are the changes of Kubuntu Edgy Eft?
[08:09] <zorglu_> XVampireX: a lot :)
[08:09] <XVampireX> nevermind
[08:10] <enzo> I am not able to load GRUB
[08:10] <enzo> is there a way to load it back up from the MBR?
[08:10] <zorglu_> !mbr
[08:10] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:11] <zorglu_> enzo: this may be of help
[08:11] <enzo> thank you
[08:11] <enzo> I'm not sure what's going on, but I can't do anything with that HDD
[08:11] <enzo> I can read it under the LIVE CD, but not access it for boot
[08:13] <soulrider> err, how can i change the language to spanish in GNOME ?
[08:15] <knapper> Guys, I lost the location bar in konquerer, how can I get it back? (where do you configure konquerer?)
[08:16] <zorglu_> menu -> setting -> toolbars -> location bar
[08:16] <zorglu_> click on it
[08:18] <knapper> tnx, I feel like an idiot. I forgot I had the mac like bar on
[08:18] <knapper> O_o
[08:19] <zorglu_> np
[08:19] <knapper> now this is weird... I checked location bar, but nothing showed up
[08:19] <knapper> it moved a pixel or two, but nothing is there
[08:21] <XVampireX> Need to get 1074MB of archives.
[08:21] <XVampireX> After unpacking 312MB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:21] <XVampireX> ouch
[08:21] <XVampireX> oh well
[08:22] <XVampireX> I hope upstart is gonna boost things up
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> XVampireX: Do you reboot often ? I boot once a day so it makes not a great deal of difference
[08:23] <enzo> zorglu_, I get nothing. No GRUB
[08:23] <enzo> It can be seen, just not loaded for some strange reason
[08:24] <zorglu_> no idea sorry
[08:24] <enzo> thyx for your help
[08:24] <octan> enzo, are your disks hot?
[08:24] <octan> under powerd?
[08:24] <octan> i had that issue
[08:25] <octan> i had to little juice in my psu
[08:25] <enzo> nope
[08:25] <octan> are you sure?
[08:25] <octan> how d you know?
[08:26] <enzo> I just took out the HDD about 30 minutes ago and put it in the freezer. It wasn't hot, just a bit above room temp
[08:26] <octan> LOL
[08:27] <proger> is that legal?:)
[08:27] <zorglu_> wow
[08:27] <octan> if you put you hd in you freezer it must have been hot.. why else would someone do that
[08:27] <zorglu_> you did put you hd in the freezer ?
[08:27] <octan> enzo, dont do that again
[08:27] <enzo> I built this desktop 3 years ago. Never had an issue like this before. I doubt its the PSU
[08:27] <zorglu_> freezer are cold ok, but humide as well
[08:27] <enzo> octan, don't do what again?
[08:27] <enzo> oic
[08:27] <octan> put you hd in the freezer
[08:27] <zorglu_> and i dunno what drastic change of temperature does to a hd
[08:27] <enzo> I only put it in there for about 5 minutes
[08:28] <zorglu_> but for sure they dont like water :)
[08:28] <octan> to fast drop of temp. and it might shript the small particles to fast getting them out of order
[08:28] <octan> *shrimp
[08:28] <octan> bleh
[08:28] <soulrider> does anyone know any good Linux alternatives ofr AutoCAD ?
[08:29] <octan> enzo, tryed leavin the pc off for 1 min?
[08:29] <enzo> it's been off now for a few
[08:29] <octan> check the cable again
[08:30] <octan> both sides
[08:30] <enzo> which cable?
[08:30] <octan> hd cable
[08:30] <octan> sata or ide or whatever you use
[08:30] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Linuxcad?
[08:31] <soulrider> never heard about it
[08:31] <octan> enzo, can you su root
[08:32] <octan> sudo chroot /mount-point-of-linuxinstall
[08:32] <enzo> cables are godo
[08:32] <enzo> *good
[08:32] <enzo> I can't log into the HDD
[08:32] <enzo> I can't see GRUB
[08:32] <octan> fdisk /dev/hda
[08:32] <octan> in live cd
[08:33] <octan> fdisk -p /dev/hda
[08:33] <enzo> let me boot into the live CD
[08:33] <octan> what are you on now?
[08:33] <enzo> I'm on my laptop ATM
[08:34] <octan> alright
[08:34] <geoff270> any help w port forwarding, and trigger ports, for amule/kubuntu?
[08:34] <Arlington> i've installed kweather but how do i activate it?
[08:35] <octan> !p2p here
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about p2p here - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <octan> lol
[08:35] <Arlington> i've installed kweather but how do i activate it?
[08:35] <steveire> Is there a reason that there's an ubuntu eddy beta, but no kubuntu same?
[08:36] <geoff270> Arlington, if kweather is on your panel, it should be ready to go, if not put it on panel, reboot if necessary
[08:36] <steveire> s/eddy/edgy
[08:36] <octan> eddy is the base system
[08:36] <Arlington> rebooting done although i can'tsay rebooting goes easy .-(
[08:36] <octan> ont the DE
[08:36] <octan> *not
[08:36] <Arlington> having troubles with hangups
[08:37] <steveire> octan: Don't pretend you don't know what I mean. OK, there's a GNOME version, but no KDE version.
[08:37] <geoff270> arlington, rebbot with recovery for that kernel
[08:37] <steveire> Any idea why?
[08:37] <octan> :P
[08:37] <Arlington> what kernel?
[08:37] <mattik> do you recommend edgy beta for user who is not a novice or is it better to wait?
[08:37] <enzo> octan, I'm in with the Live CD
[08:38] <enzo> now what?
[08:38] <octan> coz kububtu is made of ubuntu's base system with out DE'
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Does the adept-updater do an upgrade or a dist-upgrade?
[08:38] <zorglu_> mattik: sure, it need to be tested
[08:38] <enzo> sudo chroot /mount?
[08:38] <geoff270> at grub you should see boot kernel...., and second line, reboot kernel(same version)recovery
[08:38] <octan> fdisk -l /den/hda
[08:38] <octan> *dev
[08:38] <Arlington> yeah but what is it supposed to help me with?
[08:38] <mattik> zorglu_: Can I get it by apt?
[08:39] <geoff270> it will auto fix things
[08:39] <zorglu_> mattik: likely
[08:39] <zorglu_> !edgy
[08:39] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:39] <Arlington> i'll try that then.
[08:39] <octan> enzo, fdisk -l /dev/hda what does it say?
[08:39] <zorglu_> mattik: there is some repo to modify
[08:39] <octan> does it list you partitions?
[08:39] <soulrider> DaSkreech: i cant seem to be able to find linuxcad
[08:39] <zorglu_> mattik: with a page somwhere on help.ubuntu.com
[08:39] <geoff270> just let it run it's course, may run fsck on your disks, that's OK
[08:39] <mattik>  zorglu: thank you :)
[08:40] <enzo> hda or hda6?
[08:40] <mattik>  zorglu_: thank you :)
[08:40] <octan> hda
[08:40] <enzo> nothing
[08:40] <octan> is 6 your last
[08:40] <octan> ?
[08:40] <enzo> it just goes to the next prompt
[08:40] <octan> enzo, chroot to hda if / is there
[08:41] <octan> *hda1
[08:41] <enzo> hda6
[08:41] <geoff270> anyone using westell versalink router w amule
[08:41] <octan> right
[08:41] <octan> enzo, sudo chroot
[08:42] <enzo> should I mount the drive first?
[08:43] <octan> offcource
[08:44] <enzo> ok
[08:44] <enzo> sudo chroot doens't do anything
[08:44] <enzo> it just says "missing operand"
[08:44] <enzo> instead of dev, should it be /media?
[08:45] <enzo> dev won't work, /media does
[08:46] <DaSkreech> soulrider: http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad_downloads.html
[08:46] <DaSkreech> enzo: did you give it a path?
[08:46] <enzo> give what a path?
[08:46] <soulrider> thanks
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Does the adept_updater do an upgrade or a dist-upgrade?
[08:46] <Arlington> well it didn't work :-/
[08:47] <enzo> octan, what's next?
[08:47] <steveire> no one knows about kubuntu edgy beta?
[08:48] <geoff270> is anyone using amule, here?
[08:50] <Arlington> >geoff270. it didn't work with the safemode.
[08:50] <enzo> DaSkreech, give what a path?
[08:50] <Blissex> geoff270: try #aMule
[08:50] <mdr> Ok folks, I'm following the wiik howto/Nvidia verbatim, On step 10 "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" I get "Error: your X configuration has been altered."  IIRC, others have expeienced this. What should I do here?
[08:51] <Skyrail> anyone know where I can get a decent sized kubuntu logo from?
[08:51] <Arlington> >geoff270. it didn't work with the safemode.
[08:53] <themadscotsman> i have a question...just upgrade to Edgy Beta....when it boots the splash screen comes on....the the gauge moves and then a black screen, but when i hit any key and the press ctrl+alt+F7 i get a log-in screen
[08:55] <themadscotsman> question is...how do i get box to boot and go to log-in screen direct
[08:59] <JosephRivers> what's the preferred tool for resizing partitions with kubuntu?
[09:00] <arand> qparted?
[09:00] <octan> enzo, how fare are you now?
[09:00] <octan> *far
[09:00] <octan> you chrooted in to you linux install)
[09:00] <octan> ?
[09:00] <enzo> far with what/
[09:00] <enzo> yup
[09:01] <enzo> sudo chroot /media/hda6
[09:01] <octan> alright
[09:01] <octan> grub-install /dev/hda
[09:01] <mdr> oh, funny I fixed my "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"  error by doing exactly what the error message told me to do.  I gotta stop panicing
[09:01] <enzo> . /dev/hda: Not found or not a block device
[09:02] <octan> erm.
[09:02] <giulio> hello
[09:02] <lars> i have been here and asked several time but must ask again:  i must restart networking after boot (it starts at boot but shut off) to get ip from DHCP
[09:02] <octan> enzo, i know a tool that will fix this for you
[09:02] <enzo> do tell
[09:02] <octan> but you need to downloade it
[09:02] <DaSkreech> enzo chown
[09:02] <giulio> is there anybody that want talking with me?
[09:02] <ubuntu> hello children
[09:03] <lars> *hugs* ubuntu
[09:03] <octan> enzo, http://adrian15.raulete.net/grub/tiki-index.php
[09:03] <fromavlivecd> that's better
[09:03] <enzo> ???
[09:03] <octan> read and downloade it burin it and be happy
[09:03] <fromavlivecd> wondering just how many people here are just dicking about from the livecd
[09:04] <DaSkreech> You so far
[09:04] <octan> enzo, get that cd
[09:04] <enzo> will do
[09:04] <JosephRivers> arand: Thanks! I just took a look at qtparted. I think it will work for me.
[09:05] <arand> goof
[09:05] <arand> good*
[09:05] <Blacken> Howdy, folks.
[09:05] <jonathanskilt> ^another livecder
[09:05] <octan> lol
[09:06] <Blacken> Yup. Kubuntu 6.10 beta sucks on my Inspiron, so I'm installing 6.06 again.
[09:06] <Blacken> Question: Is it possible to set up, in the installer (6.06 graphical), your other partitions so you don't have to be root to access them? I can do it, but I hate mucking about in /etc/fstab...
[09:07] <steveire> Is there a simple command to check what ram I have?
[09:07] <andriijas> someone told me how to switch default sound card in ubuntu some week ago, i forgot the commando. can anyone give me a hint please?
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Blacken: linux partitions ? just set the ownership correctly
[09:07] <Blacken> h3sp4wn: No, fat32.
[09:08] <zorglu_> steveire: do 'free' and read the 'total' - 'memory' collumn
[09:08] <steveire> cheers
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> Blacken: you will have to edit fstab (but I don't use fat 32 so I don't know) umode=x I think something like that
[09:08] <Blacken> h3sp4wn: It mounts the partitions properly, but they're root-only. I can't figure out how to set them as any-user, normally, so I'd like to set them up ahead of time.
[09:09] <themadscotsman> ok so no one knows the answer to the question i asked...????
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> Blacken: Don't know
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> themadscotsman: not sure try asking
[09:10] <tictric_> Blacken: In konqueror type man:mount
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> themadscotsman: #ubuntu+1
[09:10] <themadscotsman> i asked about 5 minutes ago
[09:10] <tictric_> and look for mount options user, users
[09:11] <Blacken> tictric_: I know how to use mount...however, I'm not sure why the "users" flag in my fstab doesn't WORK.
[09:11] <themadscotsman> box boots...get kubuntu splash...then black screen....hit any key throw me to tty1
[09:11] <zorglu_> themadscotsman: need more info to answer
[09:12] <themadscotsman> ctrl+alt+F7 gives me log-in screen
[09:12] <Arlington> i need to make a change in  kdmrc. how can i do that? it read only
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> zorglu_: themadscotsman is on edgy
[09:13] <zorglu_> h3sp4wn: ah ok
[09:13] <mattik> themadscotsman: Can you log in?
[09:13] <Arlington> please help?
[09:13] <andriijas> is there nobody here that knows the commando to switch default soundcard?
[09:13] <themadscotsman> works good too...except for this little quirk
[09:13] <zorglu_> themadscotsman: not having X is quite a quirk :)
[09:13] <themadscotsman> yeah i can log-in...i am here....lol
[09:14] <themadscotsman> i have x....when i hit ctrl+alt+F7
[09:14] <zorglu_> so what is the issue ?
[09:15] <Arlington> i need to edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdrmc but it's read only...
[09:15] <Arlington> how can i do that?
[09:15] <zorglu_> do it as root ?
[09:15] <zorglu_> 'sudo nano /etc/kde3/kdm/kdrmc'
[09:16] <Dannilion> kdesu kate /etc/kde3/kdm/kdrmc if you use KDE and don't want to use nano
[09:16] <themadscotsman> i don't want to have to ctrl+alt+F&...to get log-in screen
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> Arlington: sudo vim /etc/kde3/kdm/kdrmc (vimtutor to learn a bit of vim if you don't know it very well)
[09:17] <themadscotsman> LTS boots...gives splash screen...then diagnostic....then log-in screen.....Edgy Beta doesn't
[09:17] <themadscotsman> you get splash screen...then black screen....then ctrl+alt+F7 gives you log-in screen
[09:18] <Arlington> the terminal is nearly blank when i have done that command... on some "~"
[09:18] <mattik> themadscotsman: Have you checked is it bug?
[09:18] <mattik> www.launchpad.net
[09:19] <themadscotsman> not get it...you can't comprehend the situation
[09:19] <zorglu_> themadscotsman: and except this babla f7, is X ok ? can you login via kdm ? launch X program etc.. ?
[09:19] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:19] <themadscotsman> duh...i am running it now
[09:19] <zorglu_> themadscotsman: oh ok, so it is a very minor bug :)
[09:20] <themadscotsman> its a minor inconvenience....lol
[09:20] <enzo> I'M IN!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:20] <enzo> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH OCTAN
[09:20] <octan> np
[09:20] <rohan> kubuntu edgy will have the oxygen icon theme icons ?
[09:21] <Hawkwind> rohan: No
[09:21] <rohan> oh
[09:21] <rohan> but wasnt it a spec for edgy ?
[09:21] <zorglu_> nope oxygen is for kde4 :)
[09:21] <Hawkwind> rohan: It's not near completed yet AFAIK.  It'll be part of KDE4
[09:21] <enzo> octan, it is for me
[09:21] <zorglu_> in a year or 2 :)
[09:22] <rohan> oh ok ;)
[09:23] <kay> hello my i solve my sound problem by myself now i have a nother problem
[09:23] <kay> maybe someone can help me
[09:23] <kay> is is about gtkradiant
[09:23] <kay> it is to creat maps
[09:23] <kay> anyone know it?
[09:23] <zorglu_> people doing map for 3d game will likely be of more help :)
[09:24] <zorglu_> this is quite specific question
[09:24] <kay> oh yeah
[09:24] <kay> thx
[09:24] <kay> but i cant install it
[09:24] <kay> can i post th out put only small ?
[09:25] <kay> he setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[09:25] <zorglu_> !pastebin
[09:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:25] <kay> this is all
[09:25] <kay> thx for this tip
[09:26] <kay> the setup prohe setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[09:26] <kay> the setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[09:26] <kay> anyone now it? or can give me a tip
[09:27] <kay> do anyone use gtkradiant in kubuntu???
[09:28] <kay> maybe update glibc-2.1 update?
[09:28] <kay> i try it with another version but it is the same mistake
[09:28] <kay> again
[09:29] <kay> nobody?
[09:29] <Phlogistique> gn ?
[09:29] <kay> a channel about gtkradiant is not existing? or?
[09:30] <Phlogistique> I do not know
[09:30] <Phlogistique> sorry
[09:30] <mdr> What is "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" in the Mouse section of xorg.conf.  I've got a 2 button logitech wheel mouse.  Is this an incorrect configuration?
[09:30] <kay> thank you for listening
[09:30] <kay> what mouse you have?
[09:31] <kay> oh sorry
[09:31] <kay> work it not correctly?
[09:31] <Phlogistique> huh
[09:31] <kay> no not you Phlogistique
[09:31] <kay> i mean mdr
[09:31] <Phlogistique> I think you should see if ImPS/2 or something like that
[09:31] <mdr> Furthermore in xorg.conf, I have some "eraser" Identivers with driver "wacom"  -- but this isn't a laptop and i don't have a pen or anything.
[09:32] <Phlogistique> kay > mdr is french ^^
[09:32] <mdr> No i'm not
[09:32] <Phlogistique> ah yeah
[09:32] <Phlogistique> sorry
[09:32] <kay> yeah but i can understand him it is in english
[09:32] <kay> LOL
[09:32] <Phlogistique> I didn' see it was his nick
[09:32] <Phlogistique> so
[09:32] <mdr> I have a Logitech PS2 wheel mouse
[09:33] <Phlogistique> mdr > sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:33] <mdr> pretty standard
[09:33] <kay> maybe you can post your xorg.conf
[09:33] <mdr> ok
[09:33] <Phlogistique> and do not choose Explorer blablabla when it asks you about your mouse
[09:34] <mdr> Do i need to know anything before i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?  Gonna ask me questions?
[09:35] <Phlogistique> mdr > yes
[09:35] <Phlogistique> but it's easy to answer
[09:35] <mdr> ok i do
[09:37] <enzo> octan, quick question
[09:37] <enzo> I get an error 18
[09:37] <enzo> about exceeding the max from my BIOS
[09:38] <mdr> Um, not that easy:-) Should i select nv or nvidia?    Sorry I'm an idiot.
[09:43] <enzo> Here is my error now
[09:43] <enzo> GRUB Loading stage1.5
[09:43] <enzo> it just keeps on spamming across my screen
[09:43] <enzo> s/spamming/flooding
[09:44] <mdr> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[09:44] <mdr> so what do I do about this condrumdum?
[09:44] <zorglu_> mdr: reboot or manually remove /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[09:45] <octan> enzo ?
[09:45] <Jurtan> hiho
[09:45] <octan> enzo, reset the bios
[09:45] <octan> load default
[09:45] <enzo> ok
[09:45] <joakim> hallo i am not good on english but my Creative Technology, Ltd Webcam Live!/Live! Pro this will not work on my Amsn :(
[09:46] <joakim> kna sombody tell me how thats work
[09:46] <enzo> octan, fail-safe defaults or optimized defaults?
[09:46] <joakim> er det noen norske her ?
[09:46] <octan> fail-safe
[09:46] <enzo> ok
[09:47] <enzo> do I run SGD again?
[09:47] <joakim> is the sombody NOrwegian
[09:47] <octan> enzo did you run grub-install /dev/hda ?
[09:47] <Jurtan> does someone know why i cant load any packages from any apt sources ? i can ping any website, but my xubuntu always times out at apt-get install ssh or apt-get update
[09:48] <octan> after you boted up with supergrub ?
[09:48] <octan> jeg snakker norsk
[09:48] <Hawkwind> Jurtan: Paste your sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us so we can all see it
[09:48] <enzo> after I booted up with SGD, it scanned and fixed hda6
[09:48] <enzo> and now I can't do anything
[09:48] <enzo> hmmm
[09:48] <octan> what you mean? anything?
[09:48] <enzo> now I can't even go into my BIOS
[09:49] <enzo> it wasn't set up to read from CD prior to HDD
[09:49] <octan> you forgot to run grub-install ?
[09:49] <enzo> I never got the chance to
[09:49] <joakim> hei  har et problem med creativ pro live  kamre mitt. har prvd denne kommando i terminalen
[09:49] <octan> !no
[09:49] <Hawkwind> !no
[09:49] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[09:49] <Jurtan> i cant post them sorry, i dont even have irc on my xubuntu machine..
[09:50] <joakim> p amsn s sier den  er ikke isntallert men det er jo installerte
[09:50] <Jurtan> but its the latest release
[09:50] <zorglu_> Jurtan: did you install it when it was not connnected to the internet ?
[09:50] <Hawkwind> Jurtan: We really need to be able to see the sources.list to be able to help you unfortunately.
[09:50] <octan> joakim, modprobe spca5xxx
[09:50] <Hawkwind> Jurtan: However, irssi or something should be on the CD that you can install from
[09:50] <Jurtan> it was connected all the time
[09:51] <joakim> ka med (modprobe spca5xxx)?
[09:51] <octan> kjr
[09:51] <enzo> octan, I am not able to do anything after the BEEP from BIOS
[09:51] <zorglu_> !no
[09:51] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[09:51] <enzo> frozen
[09:52] <zorglu_> Jurtan: well you said you had internet, so use it to pastebin on
[09:52] <octan> enzo,try turm it off for 1 min
[09:52] <zorglu_> !pastebin
[09:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:52] <Jurtan> i only need ssh/open ssh server but he times out when connecting to any sources (not even ftp.debian.org)
[09:52] <joakim> jeg kjrte den koden i terminalen men s komme dette opp (FATAL: Module spca5xxx not found.)
[09:52] <enzo> I am
[09:52] <zorglu_> joakim: ???
[09:52] <Jurtan> i only have txt mode on xubuntu right now, not even a browser
[09:52] <enzo> err, just did
[09:53] <zorglu_> octan: you seems to understand joakim, maybe you could convince him to go to -no ?
[09:53] <zorglu_> Jurtan: can you use the web from this box ?
[09:53] <Jurtan> yes
[09:54] <Jurtan> this is my desktop pc
[09:54] <joakim> mmja ka d
[09:54] <plichu> siema
[09:54] <zorglu_> Jurtan: so what prevent you from pasting your source.list on the web ?
[09:54] <octan> joakim ingen hjelp in #no ?
[09:54] <zorglu_> !pl
[09:54] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[09:55] <joakim> har prvd denne koden og (lsusb) og da fant han web cam men amsn finner ikke den :(
[09:55] <octan> nop.. no drivers
[09:55] <tobias___> am i online?
[09:55] <tobias___> yes!
[09:55] <zorglu_> joakim: please can you please english here
[09:55] <Chousuke> Apparently
[09:55] <tobias___> joakim: er norsk kult! :)
[09:55] <Jurtan> xubuntu is on my other pc, i only have text mode on it and to get any data to my pc ( where i am sitting atm) i need to have ssh
[09:56] <zorglu_> tobias___: you are
[09:56] <tobias___> zorglu: I am yes
[09:56] <joakim> ja det er kult ja
[09:56] <tobias___> :)
[09:56] <ryanakca> Jurtan: mind rephrasing that please?
[09:56] <tobias___> joakim: are you a member of spisderike yet? :)
[09:56] <joakim> no
[09:56] <octan> joakim, not xxx but xx
[09:56] <zorglu_> tobias___: you understand joakim ? can you convince him either to talk english or goto #ubuntu-no ?
[09:56] <octan>  modprobe spca5xx
[09:57] <zorglu_> joakim: you please english ?!?!?!
[09:57] <zorglu_> speak ?
[09:57] <tobias___> joakim: de vil at du skal prate norsk eller g til #ubuntu-no :)
[09:57] <plichu> ema ema
[09:57] <tobias___> joakim: jeg mener de vil at du skal prayte engelsk
[09:58] <joakim> ja men skriver s jevlig mye feil p engelsk
[09:58] <octan> joakim, well.? how did it got with modprobe spca5xx
[09:58] <octan> *go
[09:58] <tobias___> joakim: /join #ubunu-no
[09:58] <Jurtan> ok, i just give me a few minutes, then i set up a ftp server on the machine, then i copy the data to my pc an ill post it here.
[09:59] <zorglu_> octan: can you help him in #ubuntu-no ?
[09:59] <octan> alright
[09:59] <joakim>  modprobe spca5xx  gikk det
[09:59] <joakim> funker cam n
[09:59] <enzo> octan, I'm back up on my desktop. Not running Kubuntu just yet
[09:59] <octan> joakim, ok now ?
[10:00] <joakim> i dont now
[10:00] <zorglu_> maouaouaoauou
[10:00] <zorglu_> order! :)
[10:00] <zorglu_> ok lets go crazy
[10:00] <joakim> i show tes my web cam now
[10:00] <octan> you do that
[10:01] <enzo> octan, here is the error I get when trying to fix my GRUB MBR
[10:01] <zorglu_> ok have fun :)
[10:01] <octan> enzo, what error
[10:01] <enzo> Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[10:01] <enzo> Booting 'not lucky'
[10:02] <octan> hmm
[10:02] <joakim> most i am restart Amsn on my pc ?
[10:02] <octan> just amsn
[10:02] <joakim> oki
[10:03] <enzo> ok
[10:04] <enzo> so I am able to boot Kubuntu now... lets see if it will go through fdisk again
[10:04] <octan> booing with supergrub cd?
[10:04] <octan> *booting
[10:04] <joakim> okey octan i have restart Amsn and than he tell meg is not install :-<
[10:04] <enzo> nope
[10:04] <enzo> well, yes, but no
[10:04] <octan> joakim, try woth kopete
[10:05] <joakim> oki
[10:05] <enzo> octan, It loads it up for me (through the cd, not GRUB itself) but then it goes through the "check forced" and back where I started
[10:06] <Arlington> i'am trying to do this: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Generating.2FInstalling_Ubuntu_packages_for_the_8.28.8_drivers_in_Ubuntu_Dapper_Manually
[10:06] <Arlington> "installing teh ne driver. i have downloaded it
[10:06] <octan> enzo, run fsck from live cd then?
[10:06] <Arlington> currently trying to do part "create .deb packages"
[10:07] <enzo> ok
[10:07] <enzo> I will once I'm done letting this check clear
[10:07] <octan> this is a painin the ass righy :P
[10:08] <enzo> oh yeah
[10:08] <joakim> oki try kopete now
[10:08] <mdr> Ok I'm reruning "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", being carefull this time ;)  I'm following the wikin howto/nvida trouble shooting suggestions verbatim.
[10:08] <enzo> WOOHOO, I'm in
[10:08] <octan> nice
[10:09] <mdr> Hi, I'm back.  Thanks for the help. Re-running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", being carefull this time ;)  I'm following the wikin howto/nvida trouble shooting suggestions verbatim.
[10:09] <enzo> so now how do I install the GRUB?
[10:09] <octan> grub-install /dev/hda
[10:10] <enzo> let me get in on konversation
[10:11] <draik> octan?
[10:12] <octan> draik, ?
[10:14] <mabreaux> hello all
[10:14] <mdr> What entry best describes my mouse ImPS2 or ExplorerPS2?
[10:14] <mabreaux> can you add synaptic to kubuntu or is there a problem with that?
[10:15] <mdr> I've got a two button logitech wheel mouse (wired infrared).  Its pretty standard.  ImPS2 or ExplorerPS2 or something else?
[10:15] <tobias___> mabreaux: kubuntu uses adept for the same things as synaptic I belive
[10:16] <mabreaux> how do you set the repositories then...
[10:17] <draik> octan
[10:17] <draik> THANK YOU
[10:17] <draik> THANK YOU
[10:17] <draik> THANK YOU
[10:17] <tobias___> mabreaux: one sec Ill check
[10:17] <draik> and sorry for flooding
[10:18] <tobias___> !repositories
[10:18] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:18] <tobias___> !adept
[10:18] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:18] <tobias___> adept howto!
[10:18] <tobias___> :)
[10:18] <mdr> I'm reconfiguring xorg.conf is something wrong?  I've never heard of these protocols that Im being asked to select.
[10:18] <tobias___> mabreaux: the second menu item on the first menu
[10:19] <octan> draik, :D your welcome
[10:19] <tobias___> mabreaux: in adept
[10:21] <mdr> please help this has been a nightmare
[10:22] <Arlington> hi all!
[10:22] <Arlington> i have a problem.
[10:23] <Kyral> !problem
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about problem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <Kyral> ...
[10:23] <Kyral> Okay
[10:24] <Kyral> Arlington: instead of stating you have a problem, its better to just ask the question :P
[10:24] <Arlington> okay :-)
[10:24] <ibert> hi again. One question: is there  a way to find out if the X server uses nv or nvidia driver? Cause on the start of X there is  no nvidia logo. on teh other hand, the option "noLogo" is not in the xorg.conf. In the xorg.conf there is "nvidia" set as driver.
[10:24] <Arlington> when ever i try to reboot. hutdown or so. my system hangs up. i'am on the lastest kubuntu build.
[10:25] <Kyral> Arlington: check the Xserver logs (look in /var/log)
[10:25] <Arlington> what am i looking forr?
[10:25] <Kyral> Some kind of msg about the NVidia driver
[10:26] <Arlington> i have ati :-)
[10:26] <Kyral> oh wait
[10:26] <Kyral> I got that mixed up
[10:26] <Arlington> but in wich file am i supposed to look?
[10:26] <Kyral> I thought Arlington asked ibert's question...
[10:26] <mdr> Ok I just guess on the protocol "ExplorerPS2"  Next it's asking me if I want to emulate a 3 button mouse.  Well my mouse is a wheel mouse. (2 buttons with a clickable wheel in the middle).  So do i need to emulate a 3 button mouse. Yes or No?
[10:26] <Arlington> *lol*
[10:27] <Kyral> mdr nope
[10:27] <ibert> Kyral: no, it was me :-)
[10:27] <umang> applications just disappear sometimes.dows anybody how i can fix it. i am on kubuntu 6.06.
[10:27] <Kyral> ibert: the last things I said about logs were targetted at you :P
[10:28] <joakim> oki noting  happen on kopete when i send web cam ?
[10:28] <Kyral> !webcam
[10:28] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:28] <Arlington> well kyral do u have any input for me?
[10:28] <ibert> Kyral: ok. I'll checked it out. For Example "(II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1280x1024""
[10:28] <Kyral> Arlington: hmm...I have experianced this on my server box...I just hit the power switch manually...
[10:28] <gupta> umang: disappear?
[10:29] <umang> i am here
[10:29] <Kyral> ibert: does it say anything about it failing?
[10:29] <gupta> no! programs disappear means what?
[10:29] <joakim> thx ubotu
[10:29] <XVampireX> Dapper to Edgy: Do I get upstart during the upgrade or do I have to manually install it?
[10:29] <Arlington> yeah well it would work. but i have problems using Ctrl-Alt-F1 and such to
[10:29] <gupta> umang: from kmenu?
[10:29] <Kyral> Arlington: do you have Framebuffer enabled?
[10:30] <Arlington> and because it can't reboot properly i think my applet's dosn't work...
[10:30] <Arlington> yes i have.
[10:30] <umang> they are running and suddenly they vanish. firefox, amarok.
[10:30] <ibert> Kyral: no.
[10:30] <Kyral> Arlington: if the framebuffer uses the same module as X does, then it will block VT switching
[10:30] <Arlington> so u say i should try turning it off?
[10:30] <Kyral> Arlington: Change the framebuffer line in menu.lst to something like vesafb
[10:31] <Kyral> ibert: hmm...I dunno...
[10:31] <Arlington> what will happen then? i wanna know the root of this evil.
[10:31] <Kyral> Arlington: I told you
[10:31] <gupta> umang: hmm, tha means they are 'crashing' , no idea why that could be.
[10:31] <Kyral> Arlington: the framebuffer is using the same module as X to draw the screen. X "takes control" of it
[10:32] <ibert> Kyral: hmm. but glxgears is sloooooow motion.....
[10:32] <umang> yes they are crashing.the installation is just 3-4 days old.
[10:32] <Arlington> okay how do i change this then?
[10:32] <Kyral> ibert: pastebin your xorg.conf
[10:32] <Kyral> Arlington: go to root and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:32] <Kyral> Arlington: look for the bootline and something like "ati" or "vesafb"
[10:33] <gupta> which command for a clean shutdown? so that progams close nice and cleanly & session info is saved. "sudo shutdown -h now" seems a bit overkill
[10:33] <joakim> when i show install the web cam i got ERROR (
[10:33] <joakim> Det oppsto feil ved behandling av:
[10:33] <joakim>  /var/cache/apt/archives/easycam2_1.99-10c_all.deb
[10:33] <joakim> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:33] <Kyral> gupta: thats it
[10:34] <joakim> and i think  i have install the web cam
[10:34] <ibert> Kyral: http://rafb.net/paste/results/9q4LXU57.html
[10:34] <gupta> Kyral: thats the same command when clicking shutdown from kmenu?
[10:34] <Arlington> the boot line dosn't say anything.
[10:34] <Kyral> gupta: more or less
[10:35] <gupta> Kyral: ok,
[10:35] <joakim> oki i have install the driver EasyCam
[10:35] <Kyral> ibert: try commmenting out the line with "Load "dri""
[10:35] <Blacken> Hmm. I'm running a series of Linux "how-to" clinics at my school...the people attending are NOT going to be computer types. Think I should bother with rustling up some ShipIt CDs to hand out?
[10:36] <joakim> and i got the  same ERROR
[10:36] <Kyral> Arlington: pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:36] <Arlington> what is the pastebin adress again?
[10:36] <Kyral> !pastebin
[10:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:36] <Arlington> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25242/
[10:37] <ibert> Kyral: I'll do, but I hav to leave KDE for restart X. give me a moment.
[10:38] <ibert> Kyral: glxgears still sleeping...
[10:38] <ibert> hmm
[10:38] <ibert> but gl-117 is very fast. strange
[10:39] <Kyral> ibert: I dunno...
[10:39] <Arlington> did u look at it kyral?
[10:40] <ibert> Kyral: thanks anyway
[10:40] <Blacken> Heh, at least 6.06 works fine. :D
[10:40] <Kyral> Arlington: hmm I dunno then...it looks good
[10:40] <mabreaux> why is smart not in the programs list.
[10:40] <Kyral> ibert: Yah I mean your xorg.conf looks right so....
[10:40] <Arlington> *sighs*
[10:40] <Kyral> mabreaux: because its a daemon
[10:41] <JosephRivers> i want to resize a reiserfs filesystem, but reiserfs requires that I unmount the file system first. My filesystem is "/", so I need to make a boot cd that has all of the reiserfs tools on it.  I'll giv it try tomorrow. the point is that xorg uses a lot of CPU - and this not fine, due I have an geforce FX5200
[10:42] <Kyral> ibert: you sure that the NVidia kernel module is loaded?
[10:42] <Kyral> ibert: (lsmod | grep nvidia)
[10:42] <mabreaux> I have used it on a lot of platform and it works well, why is it a daemon?
[10:42] <Arlington> another nOOb question. how do i activate kweather?
[10:42] <Arlington> i installed it but can't sem to find ouot how to get it to run...
[10:42] <gnomefreak> Kyral: no i didnt forget adn yes you are unbanned
[10:42] <JosephRivers> Kyral: do you know if there is a smaller version of the Knoppix LiveCD? I imagine it would probably work, but I only want a small fraction of what's on the CD.
[10:43] <Kyral> JosephRivers: hmm Damn Small Linux might work (youd have to install them on the fly but its easy)
[10:43] <Arlington> another nOOb question. how do i activate kweather?
[10:43] <Arlington> another nOOb question. how do i activate kweather?
[10:43] <Arlington> i installed it but can't sem to find ouot how to get it to run...
[10:44] <Film905> can someone explain the logic of how icons move when you add applications to panels. It seems like half the time I move one half of the other icons change locations on the panel.
[10:44] <ibert> Kyral: lsmod gives me a yes.
[10:44] <Kyral> mabreaux: (I am assuming you mean SMART) the Smartmontools are actually two programs. smartd (the daemon), and smartctl. You run smartctl as root (something like "smartctl -a /dev/<hd>)
[10:44] <Kyral> ibert: Sorry then
[10:44] <Kyral> ibert: I dunno
[10:44] <Kyral> Arlington: right click on the panel and select "add applet" it should be there
[10:45] <ibert> Kyral: ok. thanks anyway
[10:47] <Arlington> it's not :-( but it's in the list in adept as installed...
[10:48] <Kyral> Arlington: restart KDE?
[10:49] <pakx> sorry its a noobquestion. but how can i install rpm packages? Linux newbee ;-)
[10:49] <Arlington> well that's the problem it fucks upp when i try to restart and i suspect that is why it isn't there... :-/
[10:49] <mdr> Progress! I've reconfigured xorg.conf and rebooted.  Got the NVIDIA splash screen.  However some screwy stuff in xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25243/ I don't have any "cursor" devices at all what are all these wacom lines?
[10:50] <Kyral> pakx: Ubuntu is Debian-based so we use .deb packages
[10:50] <Kyral> (Fedora, SuSE, and Mandriva among others use RPMs)
[10:51] <pakx> ok
[10:51] <pakx> thanks
[10:51] <mabreaux> would any one recommend a antivirus for kubuntu?
[10:51] <Blacken> mabreaux: Why would you want one?
[10:51] <Kyral> mabreaux: This is Linux, you don't NEED it
[10:52] <mabreaux> I am sorry to say there are linux virus out there.
[10:52] <Arlington> how do i restart kde+
[10:53] <Kyral> mabreaux: Technically yes, in virii labs, as proof of concept
[10:53] <Arlington> ?
[10:53] <Kyral> Arlington: CTRL+ALT+Backspace
[10:53] <mabreaux> what?
[10:53] <mabreaux> what is virii labs?
[10:53] <Blacken> mabreaux: PoC ones, sure, but nothing in the wild and nothing that, unless YOU give them root, will be able to damage your machine.
[10:53] <Arlington> but my system hangs when i do thoose kind of things...
[10:53] <Kyral> mabreaux: What Symantic and company use to "stay ahead of the game"
[10:54] <mdr> Why are these cursor devices are in my xorg.conf file?  Is it a problem?
[10:54] <Blacken> You're safer just keeping your kernel up to date so priv-escalation can't happen.
[10:54] <mabreaux> what about keylogger and spyware
[10:55] <Blacken> mabreaux: Again, you have to give them permission to do anything nasty.
[10:55] <Admiral_Chicago> mabreaux, a keylooger keeps track of waht you type, like passwords what pages you winit
[10:56] <Blacken> mabreaux: A keylogger can run as you, but I've never seen it and I've been using Linux for quite some time.
[10:56] <Kyral> Linux is pretty much secure
[10:56] <Blacken> mabreaux: You're better off just being careful about what you download. Seriously. You have very little to worry about.
[10:56] <Kyral> as long as you don't do something stupid like run as root all the time...
[10:56] <Blacken> It takes a special kind of moron to infest their computer with something nasty if running Linux.
[10:56] <mabreaux> sorry about all the question but I am new to kubuntu....
[10:57] <Blacken> mabreaux: Don't worry about it, we were all new once.
[10:57] <Kyral> Forkbombs would be worse....
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> Should the nx bit on current processors allow running as root alot more safely (if you wanted to)
[10:57] <Blacken> Kyral: Forkbombs don't work by default anymore.
[10:57] <Kyral> Blacken: oh?
[10:57] <mabreaux> problem is I can watch what I am downloading but what about my 16 year old son
[10:57] <Kyral> so writing a script that recursively calls itself won't kill a system? :P
[10:57] <Blacken> Kyral: I tried to write a simple one a while back--it spat errors about "too many process children".
[10:58] <TheGateKeeper> mabreaux: Windows to Ubuntu Transition Guide:http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/
[10:58] <Kyral> mabreaux: in Linux by and large you need to have root to install things system wide
[10:58] <Film905> can someone explain the logic of how icons move when you add applications to panels. It seems like half the time I move one half of the other icons change locations on the panel.
[10:58] <Blacken> mabreaux: That's why you use permission sets and prevent him from having root access.
[10:58] <Kyral> Film905: the Icons are just adjusting themselves so they stay all nice and spaced out
[10:59] <Kyral> oh and choose a good password
[11:00] <Kyral> if you can't think of one. pwgen can help
[11:00] <Film905> Kyral: I could understand if they were just moving a little. But I'll try  move one and two or three will flip halfway across the panel and then I won't be able to move them back.
[11:00] <Film905> I was just wondering if I was missing somthing.
[11:00] <Kyral> Film905: Ahh...dunno then sorry
[11:02] <mdr> Opening kate in konsole gives error messages "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169"  I suscept it might be those unknown things in my xorg.conf file (posted above).  How should I fix this?
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> mdr, that is why you open GUI from "run command"
[11:02] <Dr_willis> mdr,  thats just the touchpad/wacom entry in the xorg.conf file - not imporntant
[11:03] <mabreaux> how long do Beta cycles last generally for kubuntu? I see the 6.10 just entered beta.
[11:04] <mdr> Admiral_Chicago:  Usually as a quick and dirty way to edit a scrip file or something when im browsing via the terminal anyway.  Is this bad?
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> mabreaux: Depends dapper added another 2 months to its cycle
[11:04] <Kyral> mabreaux: Ubuntu is on a six month release cycle (normally)
[11:04] <mdr> konsole is really GUI too, no?
[11:04] <Kyral> Edgy (6.10) is gonna be more "experimental"
[11:04] <Kyral> mdr: Konsole is a "Terminal Emulator"
[11:05] <Kyral> mdr: Basically a console :P
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> mdr, not really but thats why you get the error
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> it won't affect the performance but you'll get some ugly output
[11:05] <Kyral> (On Edgy, sabdfl basically gave the devs carte blanche since Dapper is rock solid)
[11:07] <TheGateKeeper> until the let a broken update out :-)
[11:07] <TheGateKeeper> they*
[11:07] <Kyral> I wasn't involved with that...I quit testing Dapper halfway through to start using ArchLinux
[11:09] <Admiral_Chicago> Kyral, they did a lot of really cool stuff
[11:09] <Kyral> I like Arch
[11:10] <TheGateKeeper> Kyral: I have also installed arch linux, got the gentoo base system up too, now having a go with kororaa
[11:10] <Kyral> I support Ubuntu's mission, but for a tech nut like me I prefer Arch's insane customizability
[11:10] <Kyral> (And not patient enough for Gentoo :P)
[11:10] <TheGateKeeper> then you want kororaa :-)
[11:10] <mdr> Ok I won't concern myself with the touchpad entries.  Did I select the correct protocol for my mouse "explorerPS2"?
[11:11] <Kyral> TheGateKeeper: Nah I like Arch :P
[11:11] <TheGateKeeper> Kyral: :-)
[11:12] <en1gma> sup al
[11:12] <ComunisTico> hi, want to know if i can install an OS in an external hard drive and add it as a partiture so i can have several OS, cause i got already kubuntu and win2k on the internal
[11:13] <TheGateKeeper> don't see why not
[11:14] <ComunisTico> but how can i do it? i mean i got the pc runing now, i conect the new hard disk via usb.. how can i install an os there?
[11:16] <en1gma> on this site "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto" at this paragraph "Installing Ubuntu into the RAID Array" he says "The standard LiveCDs and Alternative install CDs do not yet contain support for fakeRAID. I used the LiveCD to boot up, and used the package manager to download the dmraid package from the universe repository (enable the "Universe" source in the settings of Synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.lst).
[11:16] <en1gma> now what does he mean by "I used the LiveCD to boot up,"
[11:16] <hot_licker> /list
[11:17] <en1gma> which one is he talking about
[11:17] <hot_licker> /help
[11:17] <joakim> i try to install KDE icon when i try to install that i got ERROR  (the file is not valid icon theme archive) and is a icon fil
[11:18] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: dapper comes on a livecd (which I presume he is talking about) & an alternative cd which uses a text installer
[11:19] <joakim> Octan can u help me to install a KDE icon
[11:19] <joakim> ??
[11:20] <joakim> fuck
[11:20] <en1gma> TheGateKeeper im confused....isnt dapper the "standard live cd"
[11:21] <en1gma> brb
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: dapper is on both, different methods of installation
[11:22] <en1gma> i have kubuntu dvd 6.06 amd64 is that what hes talking bout
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> liveCD uses gui, alternative uses text installer
[11:22] <en1gma> i looked under "alternate" and it says for raid and lvm
[11:23] <mabreaux> > I am getting a "Read Only mode: Database Locked - Adept Manager" how do I repair it?
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> mabreaux, something else may be using sudo
[11:23] <en1gma> also it says "installing GRUB to a location other than the Master Boot Record" <<<<for alternate
[11:23] <mabreaux> where do I look to find the program doing it.
[11:24] <en1gma> alternate just isnt for non-gui right? it has other options the "standard" dont?
[11:24] <ComunisTico> anyone knows how can  i install an OS to an external drive?
[11:24] <en1gma> is standard and alternate both on the kubuntu D
[11:24] <en1gma> V
[11:24] <CNote> hello, I am needed to install mozilla-browser >=1.7.12 -- the package does not look available...any suggestions?
[11:24] <en1gma> DVD
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: I think the alternative gives you a bit more control
[11:25] <segfault_> CNote, install pkg from mozilla.org
[11:25] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: liveCD install actually asks remarkable few questions
[11:25] <en1gma> but he says that "standard AND alternate" dont work so i had to use "the live cd"
[11:25] <CNote> ok
[11:25] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Got a moment?
[11:26] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Sure
[11:26] <Kr4t05> Having a weird thing with this kernel compile...
[11:26] <en1gma> "The standard LiveCDs and Alternative install CDs do not yet contain support for fakeRAID. I used the LiveCD to boot up, and used the package manager to download the dmraid package from the universe repository (enable the "Universe" source in the settings of Synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.lst). "
[11:26] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: yes but then goes on to say he downloaded stuff
[11:26] <en1gma> is this guy on dope? cause i cant figure it out
[11:26] <en1gma> yea so witch one you think hes talking bout
[11:27] <en1gma> cause im new to kubuntu and cant make heads or tails
[11:27] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25247/
[11:27] <en1gma> if i have the kubuntu dvd will that work
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: I think he boots the liveCD because this gives him a dektop which then enables him to do other things
[11:28] <en1gma> and the live dvd will do that to right?
[11:28] <en1gma> and i can install from the dvd too?
[11:28] <mabreaux> I am on a laptop with only one user, who would be using the sudo command because I am not?
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: never used the dvd so not sure
[11:28] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: What exactly did you do to get that error/message ?
[11:28] <en1gma> so which one do you think he used the "alternate cd"?
[11:29] <en1gma> theres 3 diff links i can find to dload files on kubuntu.com....the "standard cd", "the alternate cd" and "the kubuntu dvd" idk
[11:29] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: no the LiveCD
[11:30] <en1gma> i see desktop and alternate
[11:30] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: boot the dvd see if it comes up like a livcd with a desktop
[11:30] <Electrolyte> Oh great. Thanks to the KDE 3.5.4 update, I now have to format my machine.
[11:30] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Followed the instructions on your howto you wrote, appling the realtime-preempt patch from http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/. Otherwise, exactly what that howto said.
[11:31] <en1gma> TheGateKeeper ok thnx
[11:31] <en1gma> will try that first
[11:31] <en1gma> got to wait 15mins for this dang dlo to complete
[11:31] <en1gma> 6mins*
[11:31] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: what he is basically saying
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: is that he needs to boot to a desktop
[11:32] <Electrolyte> Anyone able to help me figure out why Adept isn't working?
[11:32] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: So you got that error/message when you tried to apply the patch, or when exactly ?
[11:32] <Electrolyte> My update completely screwed up to 3.5.4 :/
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: so he can fetch the stuff he needs
[11:32] <en1gma> ok
[11:32] <en1gma> thats what i was hoping
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: got it?
[11:32] <en1gma> yep yep
[11:33] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: :-)
[11:33] <en1gma> i think he should maybe make it a little more clear for (non kububtu) ppl to understand
[11:33] <en1gma> as that is the best buide i have found and alot of ppl would prop do it too
[11:33] <en1gma> they prob already have im sure
[11:33] <Hawkwind> Electrolyte: What exactly is messed up, and have you tried doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade from a terminal ?
[11:34] <Electrolyte> Adept manager gave me an error, I clicked OK while it was updating and it closed :/
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: you have it to read it slowly :-) :-)
[11:34] <Electrolyte> So I only have half of the update.
[11:34] <groth|GAGA> Electrolyte: Use apt on CLI
[11:34] <Hawkwind> Electrolyte: So do the commands I just told you from a terminal
[11:34] <Electrolyte> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[11:35] <groth|GAGA> Electrolyte: So just do it!
[11:35] <en1gma> there are 3 versions (desktop, alternate and the dvd" now he says "standard and alternate" AND "i used the livecd"
[11:35] <Electrolyte> Already am, calm down :/
[11:35] <en1gma> if you think about the "standard and alternate cds are eliminated" so that just leaves the dvd BUT he says "i used the live cd"
[11:36] <Hawkwind> en1gma: 'desktop' IS the live CD
[11:36] <en1gma> i been on that Q since last night
[11:36] <Hawkwind> en1gma: alternate is a full blown installer, not a live CD version
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: I think he is talking about the cd not dvd
[11:36] <en1gma> yea but for a nooB to kubuntu no one knows that
[11:36] <xst> I do not understand this: I've logged into a remote box through ssh with X-forwarding. In the ssh-window I write "firefox" and firefox correctly shows up on my local box. But the firefox settings belong, for some strange reason, to the user on the local box. Not the remote box from which it was launched. Can anyone explain this?
[11:36] <Hawkwind> en1gma: If they read the website from which they are downloading it they will
[11:37] <en1gma> im at "http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06.1/" and there is a desktop cd and alternate cd but nooo "livecd"
[11:37] <en1gma> and i can go into the "dvd" area
[11:37] <Hawkwind> en1gma: As stated, the 'desktop' version IS the live cd
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> en1gma: desktop == live
[11:38] <en1gma> to a nooB they do not know that
[11:38] <TheGateKeeper> en1gma: PC (Intel x86) desktop CD  <---- liveCD
[11:38] <Hawkwind> If they read the site they will
[11:38] <en1gma> thats why i am saying if the guide was clear on which isos he used it would be nice
[11:38] <en1gma> where does it say live cd
[11:38] <fyrmedic> What is the equivalent of "export" or "setenv" in bash
[11:38] <fyrmedic> ?
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> bash uses export afaik
[11:39] <Hawkwind> Desktop CD
[11:39] <Hawkwind> The desktop CD allows you to try Kubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. This type of CD is what most people will want to use. You will need at least 192MB of RAM to install from this CD.
[11:39] <en1gma> if you goto read his article the whole thing is about raid0 array which actually is on the "alternate cd" not the "live/desktop cd"
[11:39] <Hawkwind> en1gma: Did you read that at the top of the page ?
[11:39] <fyrmedic> h3sp4win: what do I use in Kubuntu? I thought command line was in bash?
[11:39] <en1gma> i read his paragraph that says he didnt use "standard or alternate"
[11:39] <en1gma> whats left
[11:40] <xst> How can I fix the remote printing bug in CUPS? When I try print, the only output from the printer is a set of "@PJL SET" commands. The bug has been in dapper for several months now. What to do?
[11:40] <en1gma> standard = desktop = live cd
[11:40] <en1gma> he says he didnt use standard
[11:40] <Hawkwind> en1gma: I have no idea what you are referring to when you say you 'read his article'
[11:40] <en1gma> this howto guide "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto"
[11:40] <en1gma> at this section "Installing Ubuntu into the RAID Array"
[11:41] <en1gma> now the "alternate cd" provides "lvm and raid" support and also "grub to install different locations"
[11:41] <en1gma> it sounds like i need the alternate
[11:42] <Hawkwind> en1gma: First of all, that how-to is very old since it was written for Breezy and back then they didn't have the desktop, alternate and DVD versions
[11:42] <en1gma> ohhhh
[11:42] <en1gma> its the best articles i can find....it is a "live" thread
[11:42] <Hawkwind> The standard LiveCDs and Alternative install CDs do not yet contain support for fakeRAID. I used the LiveCD to boot up
[11:42] <en1gma> it does get updated
[11:42] <Hawkwind> Besides, it states that he used the Live CD right there
[11:43] <en1gma> i cant find no link for a "live cd" on kubunto.com
[11:43] <en1gma> i see the "desktop"
[11:43] <en1gma> and if you say that is it then what is standard
[11:43] <Hawkwind> en1gma: As I've stated 3 times, desktop IS the live cd
[11:43] <en1gma> then what is standard
[11:43] <Hawkwind> en1gma: Again, that how-to is old
[11:43] <en1gma> ok
[11:44] <en1gma> will the kubuntu dvd work for what im doing you think?
[11:44] <Hawkwind> en1gma: The 'alternative' CD allows you to do RAID stuff.  The Live CD of Dapper does *not* AFAIK
[11:44] <en1gma> ahhh
[11:44] <en1gma> that is important
[11:44] <en1gma> i need that raid stuff
[11:44] <Hawkwind> en1gma: I honestly don't know the answer to that.  I know the alternate CD is what you will want
[11:44] <en1gma> okie i dloaded that last night
[11:44] <en1gma> i got the kubuntu 6.06 dvd i gonna try first though
[11:45] <en1gma> dload is done brb
[11:45] <en1gma> i hope
[11:45] <Electrolyte> Aha, aRts in 3.5.4 fixed the memory leak.
[11:45] <Electrolyte> Good
[11:46] <Johnathan> Hi there, I'm trying network 2 computers using a crossover cable. I've setup the ip in /etc/network/interfaces. Could now ping from one comp to the other. How do I navigate the file directory for the other computer to copy folder(s) across. Thanks
[11:46] <Blacken> Question -- I have the ATI proprietary drivers installed, but they don't seem happy with Xorg despite it. I can't set resolution to native (1280x800). Any help?
[11:46] <mabreaux> how do you play movies on kubuntu? DVD
[11:47] <mabreaux> how do you play movies from DVD
[11:47] <Hawkwind> !dvd
[11:47] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:47] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: ^^^^^^
[11:47] <mabreaux> how do you play movies on kubuntu form dvd's
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> !restricted
[11:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:48] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Please stop repeating yourself and read the info you were just given
[11:48] <phreak_> so would it kill me to repoint my repositories to the new beta one?
[11:48] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Did you ever do a 64Bit build of the E17 stuff ?
[11:48] <Hawkwind> phreak_: Why do you want to ?
[11:48] <Hawkwind> phreak_: It's still breaks quite often and isn't really meant for everyday desktop usage
[11:49] <phreak_> ok, thats what i wanted to know
[11:49] <phreak_> just wasn't sure if it was stable
[11:49] <Hawkwind> Ughhhh, don't pm without permission please
[11:49] <Hawkwind> phreak_: Not stable until it's released as final some time next month
[11:49] <phreak_> how does it compare, to say, unstable debain, or the mandrake cooker?
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Still not got round to it (Its not my machine I need to build it on and I am only there every so often)
[11:50] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Ah gotcha.  Was just curious is all
[11:51] <mohammed> i have my kde running and who 700MO over 1.5G
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, i haven't had any problems
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> a few bugs but i reported them
[11:52] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I will get it done eventually (evolume , devian - still broken)
[11:52] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I haven't either.  But that still doesn't mean it's stable for everyday use.  Not recommended to tell users it's stable when it's not
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Its been ages since I have had it all building cleanly
[11:53] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: evolume has been replaced by mixer.  There is a new version of mixer coming out very soon too
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: what is devian for ?
[11:53] <mdr> Ack, Glxgears gives 980 FPS.  Athlon/FX 5200   Isn't this slower than molassis?
[11:53] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: devian was an rss feed reader, and a couple of other things.  It's not maintained either at the moment
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, strange, you'd think us heavy users/dev people would get some serious issue but i didn't get anything
[11:54] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Did you read that pastebin?
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> everyone talk to Hawkwind right now
[11:54] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Yes.  But where/when exactly did that error occur ?
[11:54] <Kr4t05> Now, on this machine.
[11:54] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Was it while applying the patch, or somewhere later, earlier ?
[11:55] <theresa> hi there
[11:55] <Johnathan> Hi, trying to network two kubuntu pcs. ip's set. Could ping. How do I copy folders across from one computer to other (firewall disabled. sftp says "connection refused")
[11:55] <Kr4t05> When I attempted "make-kpkg --parameter --parameter"
[11:55] <Blacken> Question -- I have the ATI proprietary drivers installed, but they don't seem happy with Xorg despite it. I can't set resolution to native (1280x800). Any help?
[11:55] <TheGateKeeper> Johnathan: nfs
[11:55] <Johnathan> what's nfs??
[11:56] <Hawkwind> !nfs
[11:56] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[11:56] <TheGateKeeper> !nfs
[11:56] <Johnathan> ok, what's !nfs :p
[11:56] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: You did make-kpkg clean without any issues ?
[11:56] <Hawkwind> Johnathan: Read what the bot just said
[11:56] <Kr4t05> Affirmative.
[11:56] <Electrolyte> Can someone explain to me how to create a new user in a shell? I need to check if my KDE config file is damaged.
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> i wish compiz didn't have a memory leak
[11:56] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Then the next command failed ?
[11:57] <Kr4t05> One moment...
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Electrolyte, i think the command is user..no
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know
[11:57] <Hawkwind> Electrolyte: adduser
[11:57] <Electrolyte> Thanks.
[11:57] <Blacken> Electrolyte: adduser
[11:57] <Hawkwind> Electrolyte: Or useradd, one or the other
[11:57] <TheGateKeeper> Johnathan: it's me & hawkwind having a race to the bot & him winning :-)
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Electrolyte, check the man page too
[11:57] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: That's what happens when I type over 120wpm :P
[11:57] <ubuntu> I'm having a problem with the manual partitioner while installing Kubuntu on PPC. The partition table view won't show up in the window and when I click continue it says that the partitioner has crashed.
[11:58] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Impressive.
[11:58] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: not exactly giving a poor sod like me a chance :-)
[11:58] <Kr4t05> That's either the sign of A.) A successful future or B.) An addiction to IRC. :P
[11:59] <Kr4t05> sipefree: That's a known issue with the partitioner...
[11:59] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: I'd lean towards B a *lot* heaver than I would A :P
[11:59] <Kr4t05> Heh
[11:59] <Hawkwind> I used to type faster, but with age I've slowed down a bit
[11:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, dang
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> on a qwerty?
[12:00] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Yeah.  I've never once typed on a dvorak keyboard
[12:00] <Kr4t05> Okay, I'm did make-kpkg clean and am now doing make-kpkg -initrd --etc
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, dvorak is great
[12:00] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: So it's working as it should now ?
[12:00] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I've always wanted to try it, just never have
[12:00] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: They're trying to bring back the dvorak, (I think)
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> its like linux, just hop in and keep using itn
[12:01] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I've been typing qwerty for 25+ years so switching I feel would be difficult at first
[12:01] <Kr4t05> It would take me forever, since I've learned how to touch-type so well. :P
[12:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, i supposed thats a good reason
[12:01] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Hah
[12:01] <Johnathan> Ok, thanks hawkwind, TheGateKeeper. Will give that a try.
[12:01] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I know I could do it, it's just a matter of really wanting/needing to and forcing myself
[12:01] <Kr4t05> I should try the DAS Uber-Geek keyboard.
[12:01] <Admiral_Chicago> i can touch-type pretty well but the problem is my keyboard
[12:02] <Kr4t05> It has no writing on it, at all.
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> Das Keyboard
[12:02] <flaccid> then you can't touch type
[12:02] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: My keyboard doesn't have letters on it anymore.  They have all rubbed off
[12:02] <Admiral_Chicago> that's what you need Hawkwind
[12:02] <Hawkwind> Only time I look at it is to clean it
[12:03] <software_> !es
[12:03] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:03] <Kr4t05> Each section of keys has a specific weight of resistance to it, to best suit the finger that should be pressing it.
[12:03] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, www.daskeyboard.com/
[12:03] <Admiral_Chicago> its got weighted keys so you press less for further keyns
[12:04] <Blacken> Resizing NTFS--QTParted seems to not want to do it. Any suggestions?
[12:04] <Kr4t05> Blacken: It won't.
[12:04] <software_> how mount my memory flash on kubuntu?
[12:04] <Kr4t05> Wipe it and start over. :P
[12:04] <Blacken> Kr4t05: Yeah, I know. I was hoping for a better answer.
[12:05] <Kr4t05> Blacken: Your Windows partition, I take it?
[12:05] <TheGateKeeper> Blacken: GParted??
[12:05] <Blacken> Kr4t05: Not mine. Setting up someone else's machine with Kub.
[12:05] <Kr4t05> Magic.
[12:05] <software_> i need help
[12:05] <BluesKaj> blacken , get GPaeted version 3 , it enlarged my hda3 to 60G from 3G no problem and shrunk my Windows partition as well.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Gparted*
[12:06] <Blacken> BluesKaj: GParted is just a frontend for parted, isn't it?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> it's the gnome live cd version, Blacken
[12:06] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: It would have done a better job if it had deleted the Windows partition all together :P
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: The error occured towards what looked like the end of the compile, so it may be about 8 or 9 before we have a verdict. :P
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hence the (G)
[12:07] <TheGateKeeper> software_: it should automount when you plug it in
[12:07] <dre> hi all
[12:07] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Ok
[12:07] <Blacken> BluesKaj: Yes, and it still interfaces with the same version of parted, I believe.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> the trick is to shrink the windows partition first , then then the xtn
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Unfortunately, my system doesn't have as much compiling power as I would hope.
[12:09] <software_> yes by don't accses it
[12:09] <BluesKaj> make sure you have the boot sequence set to cdrom to use the GParted live cd