[07:59] <dxdt> Will Kubuntu be behind Gutsy again?  As in lacking some of the cool features like the auto effects install and stuffs like that?  I feel that Kubuntu is often always 1 step behind ubuntu :-/
[07:59] <clusty> Amaranth: you are a fokin wizard
[07:59] <Arenlor> I do get a bug PCI: BIOS BUG #81[49435000]  found and I get a problem which is fixed with noapic
[07:59] <clusty> thanx
[07:59] <Amaranth> clusty: suspend and hibernate work now?
[07:59] <dxdt> Specifically, I see screenshots of the cool auto desktop effects enabler and such and wonder if that will be in Kubuntu?
[08:00] <clusty> Amaranth: how did you know. and tell me what does the acpi thing mean
[08:00] <clusty> Amaranth: like charmed
[08:00] <Amaranth> clusty: Awesome!
[08:00] <Amaranth> clusty: I have the exact same problem
[08:00] <clusty> Amaranth: screen looks funny while suspending: looks like decaying :D
[08:01] <Amaranth> clusty: Some companies tried to be good and add linux specific code in their acpi implementation but it's usually broken or just out-of-date
[08:01] <Amaranth> clusty: So you make the system tell acpi it's not linux
[08:01] <clusty> Amaranth: sony is included?
[08:01] <Amaranth> clusty: Apparently
[08:01] <Amaranth> clusty: Oh, you get the gray screen with weird lines and crap on it? :)
[08:01] <clusty> Amaranth: yeah
[08:02] <Amaranth> Yeah, that's something with nvidia
[08:02] <Amaranth> No big deal though
[08:02] <clusty> Amaranth: i can;t complain about sony support. they have the sonypi controller
[08:02] <clusty> Amaranth: wrote my own C code to controll fan :D
[08:02] <Amaranth> hehe, one of those
[08:02] <Amaranth> I have no control over my fan
[08:02] <clusty> Amaranth: make it more silent while iddleing
[08:03] <cafuego> Amaranth: cocktail stick to stop/start it ;-)
[08:03] <clusty> Amaranth: not very smart though. i have to ram down it throat the spindown command: evey 500ms
[08:03] <Amaranth> Wish I did, it comes on too soon. If I could raise the temp it comes on at by a couple degrees it would almost never come on
[08:03] <cafuego> it would come on when the stick charred
[08:03] <Amaranth> hahaha
[08:04] <Amaranth> Apparently on the macbooks the hardware doesn't control the fan at all
[08:04] <Amaranth> So if something in the kernel (or userspace) isn't controlling it it won't come on at all
[08:04] <clusty> Amaranth: nice toasty componen ts?
[08:04] <Arenlor> I have the problem of looking and seeing it being 65C and the fan being off, and it never goes into the high mode, so it's hard to get it back down to 40 where I want it to be lol
[08:05] <Amaranth> clusty: hehe, yeah
[08:05] <Amaranth> Arenlor: Wow I tend to idle at 48
[08:05] <clusty> my cpus are around 42 degress while iddleing
[08:05] <clusty> my GPU is 50
[08:05] <Amaranth> my GPU is 42 :P
[08:05] <clusty> and its a crappy old 7400
[08:05] <Amaranth> clusty: GeForce Go 7400 ftw
[08:06] <cafuego> H'ah
[08:06] <clusty> all hot components are connected to same heat pipe
[08:06] <Amaranth> clusty: We basically have the same laptop, I bet
[08:06] <Amaranth> clusty: Just a different case
[08:06] <clusty> guess so
[08:06] <Arenlor> currently holding steady at 50C
[08:06] <clusty> make a test today: glxgears runs at 2k FPS on 7400
[08:06] <clusty> and at 9k on 8400
[08:06] <clusty> :D
[08:07] <clusty> what governors are you guys using?
[08:07] <cafuego> and at 14k on my 5700
[08:07] <cafuego> ooh, 17k!
[08:07] <Amaranth> clusty: damn i only get 1200
[08:07] <Amaranth> I use powersave
[08:07] <cafuego> Amaranth: make the window tiny, speeds it up nicely.
[08:07] <clusty> oscilating in between ondemand and conservative
[08:07] <Amaranth> They say ondemand is better overall for power savings but powersave keeps the fan from coming on
[08:07] <Amaranth> powersave locks it to 1Ghz
[08:08] <Amaranth> (my lowest setting)
[08:08] <clusty> same
[08:08] <clusty> :D
[08:08] <clusty> 7300?
[08:08] <clusty> :D
[08:08] <clusty> talking of CPU
[08:08] <Amaranth> I have a Core Duo, not a Core 2 Duo
[08:08] <clusty> 2ghz 4mb cache
[08:08] <clusty> ok
[08:09] <Amaranth> T2500
[08:09] <Amaranth> 2mb cache
[08:09] <clusty> how can i change de default governor?
[08:09] <Amaranth> Well, /proc/cpuinfo says 2MB for each core
[08:09] <clusty> tired of setting manually
[08:09] <clusty> well its shared the cache
[08:09] <clusty> thats main diff with amd
[08:10] <cafuego> clusty: via the applet, it should remember it
[08:10] <Amaranth> clusty: /apps/gnome-power-manager/cpufreq in gconf-editor
[08:10] <clusty> amd makes each core with own cache, while intel has double and shared
[08:10] <se7en^Of^9> Need to get 197MB/197MB of archives. jesus ...
[08:10] <Amaranth> policy_ac and policy_battery
[08:10] <Amaranth> se7en^Of^9: OOo upgrades suck
[08:10] <Arenlor> Does anyone know what I can do, I have 1GB of RAM but only 882.9 is seen as existing
[08:11] <Amaranth> Arenlor: Your kernel took the rest
[08:11] <se7en^Of^9> yes Amaranth i hate the oO updates
[08:11] <cafuego> Arenlor: Any video ram shared by the on-board vga?
[08:11] <Amaranth> se7en^Of^9: OOo = openoffice
[08:12] <Arenlor> Cafuego, yes, but even counting that in, it's only taking 128, so maybe Amaranth is right about the kernel taking it
[08:13] <clusty> also CPUs never use any intermediate settings
[08:13] <clusty> just 1 GHZ or 2
[08:14] <cafuego> 882+128 leaves about 12Mb for the kernel.
[08:15] <Arenlor> would that sound about right?
[08:15] <cafuego> With all the newfangled stuff today's kernels have, yeah that would be approximately right
[08:16] <cafuego> if not, we'll have to sacrifice Fujitsu
[08:17] <clusty> there is still something very wrong with gutsy
[08:17] <clusty> just saw my console text spinning around
[08:18] <clusty> like synch speed was too high for display
[08:18] <erichj> is the gnome loading screen going to make an appearance? or is it always going to be that blank ugly camel colored background?
[08:19] <erichj> i expected that the RC would have had this issue resolved
[08:20] <Arenlor> erichj go to System > Administration > Login Window then local, and choose a new theme.
[08:20] <rafael__> hello
[08:20] <erichj> Arenlor, tried that.
[08:20] <rafael__> the avant-window-navigator works on the ubuntu gutsy ?
[08:20] <rafael__> how ?
[08:20] <erichj> parts of gutsy seem like a regression
[08:21] <Arenlor> erichj my theme change worked for me
[08:21] <rafael__> the avant-window-navigator works on the ubuntu gutsy ?
[08:21] <clusty> i get some bogus network interface called eth0:avah
[08:21] <clusty> what might this be?
[08:22] <erichj> Arenlor, I'm not disputing that, but it doesn't work for me
[08:23] <Arenlor> erichj try configuring xorg again and see if that maybe helps, or maybe it's something in grub's menu.lst
[08:25] <Arenlor> clusty can you tell me the inet addr of eth0:avah from ifconfig
[08:25] <clusty> Arenlor: <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:25] <clusty> really weird...
[08:25] <clusty> what does it do?
[08:26] <Arenlor> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=576614&highlight=avah
[08:26] <amr> hello, how to use mp3 preview in gusty it was working in feisty but after i installed gusty it's not working
[08:26] <Arenlor> read that over and see if the suggested solution works
[08:26] <Arenlor> rafael__ synaptic does not list avant-window-navigator as a package available
[08:27] <clusty> Arenlor: nothing wrong really, i just don't whats the purpose :D. will read to figure out if there is a problem
[08:27] <clusty> Arenlor: whats this interface?
[08:29] <Arenlor> 169.254.*.* is a reserved IP for when DHCP is not working, so whatever eth0 normally is (which is your wired network most likely) is not working right, let me look up what avah is
[08:30] <jscinoz_> gah xchat crashed
[08:30] <jscinoz_> in the most recent alsa update was something changed with the driver hda-intel, some of the options i had in alsamixer are no longer there (mainly the switch to use mic as output)
[08:31] <Amaranth> my video card was doing that fun thing where it runs at half speed or something, i get 2400 from glxgears now :P
[08:31] <Arenlor> here's some info on avah(i) clusty:
[08:31] <Arenlor> This tool implements IPv4LL, "Dynamic Configuration of IPv4 Link-Local
[08:31] <Arenlor> Addresses" (IETF RFC3927), a protocol for automatic IP address
[08:31] <Arenlor> configuration from the link-local <IP_ADDRESS>/16 range without the
[08:31] <Arenlor> need for a central server. It is primarily intended to be used in
[08:31] <Arenlor> ad-hoc networks which lack a DHCP server.
[08:31] <clusty> Arenlor: its fine really cause i am on wireless now
[08:31] <clusty> Arenlor: wooow. cute. dhcp was a bitch to setup always
[08:32] <tbf> gutsy - aka freeze or crash all the time :-(
[08:32] <rafael__> well, i did the upgrade of feisty to gutsy, and my compiz is not working right, what can i do ?
[08:33] <Arenlor> rafael__ go to System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects and put it on extra
[08:34] <rafael__> Arenlor, my compiz setting manager is not opening
[08:34] <Arenlor> then make sure to apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:35] <tbf> gah, now it is not even starting!
[08:35] <rafael__> Arenlor, the last u said, is installed already, but when i click on that to open, nothing happens
[08:36] <Amaranth> rafael__: You used trevinho's repo
[08:36] <rafael__> i dont know.. possible
[08:36] <Amaranth> rafael__: You have 'compiz fusion' on feisty?
[08:37] <rafael__> i had
[08:37] <rafael__> :)
[08:37] <rafael__> so i upgraded it to gutsy
[08:37] <rafael__> compiz is working here. because i just installed my avant
[08:37] <Amaranth> rafael__: Then either everything is still working great (using my repo) or everything is broken (using his)
[08:37] <rafael__> so
[08:37] <rafael__> what can i do now ?
[08:37] <Amaranth> rafael__: This is why you don't use random 3rd party repos
[08:38] <rafael__> :)
[08:38] <Amaranth> rafael__: sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz* libcompizconfig* emerald libemeraldengine*
[08:38] <rafael__> dang !
[08:38] <Amaranth> rafael__: then reinstall
[08:38] <rafael__> Amaranth, reinstall from where ?
[08:38] <rafael__> sudo apt-get install compiz ?
[08:38] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:39] <rafael__> omg
[08:39] <rafael__> Amaranth, hahaha hope it works
[08:39] <rafael__> other thing
[08:39] <rafael__> after upgrade my feisty to gutsy
[08:39] <rafael__> after the login and password
[08:39] <rafael__> to start the gnome, turned a bit slow
[08:39] <rafael__> i need to see the orange screen amost 1 minute
[08:39] <rafael__> can i do something to fix it ?
[08:40] <Arenlor> rafael__ this may fix that
[08:40] <clusty> rafael__: for me takes same amout to boot and load gnome
[08:40] <Amaranth> rafael__: same bug, you're using trevinho's crap
[08:41] <Amaranth> he makes compiz start with --sm-disable which stalls the session start for about 60 seconds
[08:41] <rafael__> Amaranth, are u sure about libemeraldengine*  ?
[08:41] <rafael__> Amaranth, apt-get remove is not finding that
[08:41] <clusty> Amaranth: dud, i think you got yourself a groupie
[08:41] <clusty> <---------
[08:41] <Amaranth> rafael__: Then take that part off
[08:42] <Amaranth> clusty: hehe
[08:42] <rafael__> Amaranth, could u tell me how can i do it ecxtally, please
[08:42] <clusty> Amaranth: i would say i loved you, but that would be just gay :D
[08:42] <rafael__> Amaranth, application > add remove > preferences ?
[08:42] <rafael__> there ?
[08:42] <Amaranth> rafael__: sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz* libcompizconfig*
[08:42] <rafael__> ok
[08:43] <rafael__> Amaranth, and now ?
[08:43] <Amaranth> rafael__: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:44] <rafael__> Amaranth, already in the newest version
[08:44] <Arenlor> clusty, there are over 40 different version of love in the Bible alone, when Jesus asks do you love me three times it's actually two different loves. You can love Amaranth as a brother maybe lol (or it could be hero/idol-worship :P)
[08:44] <Amaranth> Arenlor: I'll vote for worship ;)
[08:44] <clusty> Arenlor: halleluja
[08:44] <clusty> Arenlor: so say we all :D
[08:44] <rafael__> u 2 funny
[08:44] <rafael__> :P
[08:45] <Amaranth> clusty: Actually I sort of got that from the nvidia forums
[08:45] <rafael__> Amaranth, newest version already.. what is the next step friend ?
[08:45] <Amaranth> Someone mentioned the acpi_apic part in there and then I grepped my dmesg for acpi and found the !Linux part
[08:45] <Amaranth> rafael__: You didn't do the first part
[08:45] <Amaranth> rafael__: sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz* libcompizconfig*
[08:45] <rafael__> Amaranth, i did
[08:45] <Amaranth> rafael__: Not possible
[08:45] <level1_> hi, I think guidance-power-manager is causing trouble for me but I can't figure out how to prevent it form starting on start up in kde... how do I do that?
[08:46] <Amaranth> rafael__: If you remove compiz ubuntu-desktop gets uninstalled
[08:46] <rafael__> Amaranth, oh.. couldn't find package compiz
[08:46] <Amaranth> rafael__: sudo apt-get install compiz
[08:46] <clusty> Amaranth: so what gave you info from all that dmesg crap?
[08:47] <rafael__> Amaranth, installed
[08:47] <clusty> Amaranth: i most aCPI stuff is jibberish to me
[08:47] <Amaranth> clusty: [   11.281272]  ACPI: System BIOS is requesting _OSI(Linux)           [   11.281277]  ACPI: Please test with "acpi_osi=!Linux"
[08:47] <rafael__> Amaranth, now that command to remove ?
[08:47] <clusty> Amaranth: duhh. better read warning messages next time
[08:48] <Amaranth> rafael__: no
[08:48] <rafael__> alright..
[08:48] <Amaranth> rafael__: now what is the output from 'compiz.real --version'?
[08:48] <jscinoz_> how does one acess that new ubufox thing to install firefox extensions, is it through a menu in firefox or somewhere outside the program
[08:48] <Amaranth> jscinoz_: in firefox
[08:48] <rafael__> Amaranth, how can i see the output ?
[08:48] <Amaranth> jscinoz_: in the extension viewer
[08:48] <Amaranth> rafael__: uh, you are running these things from a terminal, right?
[08:48] <jscinoz_> looking at it, only has a disable and about option >_<
[08:48] <rafael__> Amaranth, sorry i made a mistake
[08:49] <rafael__> Amaranth, compiz 0.6.1
[08:49] <Amaranth> rafael__: ok, you should be alright
[08:49] <Amaranth> rafael__: but i suppose you need to install compizconfig-settings-manager again too
[08:49] <rafael__> yes i need
[08:49] <rafael__> hehe
[08:49] <rafael__> Amaranth, how did u learn that ?
[08:50] <clusty> any1 into prison break?
[08:50] <Arenlor> jscinoz_ in the bottom right, Get Ubuntu Addons
[08:50] <Amaranth> rafael__: I'm the compiz guy for ubuntu :p
[08:50] <jscinoz_> ah
[08:50] <clusty> rafael__: do a whois on him :
[08:50] <clusty> D
[08:50] <clusty> and you will see where he hangs out
[08:50] <jscinoz_> ah using allinonesidebar hid that option
[08:50] <Amaranth> clusty: oops, i forgot to hide that
[08:50] <rafael__> Amaranth, installed but that is not on my system administration ?
[08:50] <Amaranth> clusty: you won't now :)
[08:51] <Amaranth> rafael__: System->Preferences->Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[08:51] <clusty> Amaranth: no secret really
[08:51] <Amaranth> clusty: I couple of them are
[08:51] <Amaranth> s/I/A/
[08:51] <rafael__> oh
[08:51] <clusty> Amaranth: why? and which?
[08:51] <clusty> :D
[08:51] <rafael__> omg
[08:51] <rafael__> Amaranth, next time my ubuntu will turn on faster ?
[08:51] <Amaranth> clusty: I'll never tell :P
[08:51] <Amaranth> rafael__: It should
[08:52] <rafael__> Amaranth, u know only compiz things ?
[08:52] <rafael__> i have other problem here
[08:52] <clusty> Amaranth: now you are foked
[08:52] <rafael__> for while. .thank u very much i wouldnt know how to do that
[08:52] <rafael__> Amaranth, thanks
[08:52] <rafael__> clusty, he is not :P
[08:52] <clusty> Amaranth: the JC complex all over again :D
[08:52] <Amaranth> rafael__: Ask away, maybe I'll know, maybe someone else will
[08:52] <rafael__> what is jc complex ?
[08:52] <rafael__> alright
[08:53] <Arenlor> clusty just open up the channel list and join them ALL and see where he's at
[08:53] <rafael__> here i have a sony vaio notebook
[08:53] <clusty> jc=jesus christ
[08:53] <rafael__> and im not sure but i think when i turn it on and i press ctrl alt f2 to see the system loading
[08:53] <clusty> you know the leprosy ppl jumping on the saviour
[08:53] <rafael__> i get error message from uvcvideo
[08:53] <Amaranth> I don't even know what that is :/
[08:54] <clusty> rafael__: webcam?
[08:54] <rafael__> i think its that eyemotion, that computers webcam
[08:54] <rafael__> un
[08:54] <clusty> its useless
[08:54] <rafael__> i know
[08:54] <rafael__> so
[08:54] <rafael__> can i disable this uvcvideo ?
[08:54] <clusty> only ekiga supports webcams
[08:54] <rafael__> rmmod ? something /
[08:54] <rafael__> ?
[08:54] <rafael__> clusty, my amsn too
[08:54] <Amaranth> If you don't need the webcam just ignore it
[08:54] <rafael__> :)
[08:54] <rafael__> yes.. i can ignore
[08:54] <clusty> rafael__: amsn has webcams
[08:54] <rafael__> but its not nice to see  uvcvideo error
[08:54] <clusty> cuuuute
[08:54] <rafael__> amsn is strange
[08:55] <rafael__> sometimes i think that make voodoo to my webcam works right
[08:55] <clusty> shame that latest kernel foked up my webcam again
[08:55] <rafael__> because i cant use that on xawtv or camstream
[08:55] <rafael__> only on amsn
[08:55] <rafael__> dont know how
[08:55] <Amaranth> clusty: kopete supports msn and yahoo video too
[08:55] <rafael__> dont know why
[08:55] <clusty> xawtv gives me X errors
[08:55] <clusty> Amaranth: why wont pidgin ppl import the code
[08:56] <clusty> Amaranth: ppl are bugging them non stop
[08:56] <Amaranth> clusty: I dunno but pidgin will hopefully be replaced soon
[08:56] <rafael__> Amaranth, the compiz is a bit strange .. i cant see that ubuntu write on the top of the cube, and the cube is big. maybe something about the zoom...
[08:56] <rafael__> i will configure it later
[08:56] <Amaranth> clusty: We have this thing called telepathy
[08:56] <rafael__> telepathy ?
[08:56] <rafael__> hehe
[08:56] <clusty> Amaranth: well pidgin just came to life :D
[08:56] <clusty> Amaranth: 6 months maybe?
[08:56] <Amaranth> telepathy is a cross-desktop presence framework
[08:57] <clusty> meaning?
[08:57] <Amaranth> Meaning every app on your desktop could use it to support msn, aim, etc
[08:57] <rafael__> Amaranth, on my feisty on the main bar.. on the left side of the Applications i had an icon there.. but now other icon appeared there.. could i do something to change it again?
[08:58] <Amaranth> Like evolution could tell you what people in your address book are online
[08:58] <clusty> Amaranth: rite
[08:58] <Amaranth> But there are a couple regular pidgin-like apps for it too and they expect to have msn video working soon
[08:58] <clusty> shame i hate evolution
[08:58] <avatar_> empathy is a nice im client based om lib-telepathy
[08:58] <Amaranth> empathy, yeah
[08:59] <avatar_> i use it for msn/jabber
[08:59] <avatar_> sip support is on the works
[08:59] <Amaranth> telepathy supports msn, jabber, aim, irc, sip (voip), etc
[08:59] <Amaranth> I think the sip one can do video already
[08:59] <Amaranth> But it's experimental
[09:00] <clusty> i am comfused :D
[09:00] <clusty> which can do video
[09:00] <Arenlor> telepathy and empathy, as long as they don't use apathy or anything like that
[09:00] <clusty> and suport yahoo/msn
[09:01] <Amaranth> clusty: only kopete (kde app) right now
[09:01] <Amaranth> clusty: In the next 6 months or so empathy should support videophone and msn video
[09:01] <clusty> Amaranth: guess voice over skype will just have to do for now
[09:01] <clusty> Amaranth: can barely bare with kile
[09:02] <clusty> Amaranth: but i am writing my thesis and need something that can support projects :D
[09:02] <riotkittie> yay. maybe gutsy will go onto my external drive now.
[09:02] <rafael__> un
[09:03] <rafael__> i forgot where is the place to change the ubuntu logo
[09:03] <Jordan_U> Is it hard to install Gutsy to USB or Firewire?
[09:03] <rafael__> some place on my folder
[09:04] <tech0007> :-D
[09:04] <clusty> Jordan_U: not really. if your PC can boot from usb
[09:05] <riotkittie> but i'm going to be perturbed if that wasnt the issue after all. so. D:
[09:06] <rredd4> i just got rc working with a dell c810 and also have vmare server with xp in the rc.
[09:06] <Amaranth> rafael__: Don't PM me
[09:06] <tech0007> just upgraded to GutsyRC..its not that different from Feisty at all
[09:06] <Amaranth> rafael__: Ask here
[09:06] <rafael__> Amaranth, ok. i will send a screenshot
[09:06] <Amaranth> rafael__: I only know things that I've had to deal with
[09:06] <Jordan_U> clusty, So basically just point the installer and GRUB to the USB drive?
[09:06] <Amaranth> So no webcam or cube
[09:06] <Amaranth> Because I don't use cube :P
[09:06] <rafael__> Amaranth, no no
[09:07] <clusty> Jordan_U: and PC has to be able to boot from usb
[09:07] <rafael__> Amaranth, i want to change that icon on the left side of "applications" on the main bar
[09:07] <Jordan_U> clusty, Obviously :)
[09:07] <rafael__> Amaranth, i did it before, but im no finding now
[09:07] <Amaranth> rafael__: that's distributor-logo
[09:07] <rafael__> yes yes
[09:07] <clusty> Jordan_U: allrighty then
[09:07] <rafael__> Amaranth, its some hidden folder on my personal folder isnt it ?
[09:08] <Amaranth> rafael__: it's in whatever icon theme you use
[09:09] <rafael__> Amaranth, that is the problem. im using the theme i was using on feisty
[09:09] <rafael__> Amaranth, but on themes options here its in blank
[09:12] <foxiness> what is the last ver of FF come with gutsy?
[09:13] <emanuelez> postfix
[09:15] <clusty> foxiness: this is gutsy chanel
[09:15] <clusty> foxiness: its <IP_ADDRESS> for gutsy
[09:16] <reber> hi all. Where can i download gutsy cd (if possible) ?
[09:16] <foxiness> reber: ubuntu.com
[09:17] <reber> foxiness, great.
[09:17] <reber> foxiness, maybe here : http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download ?
[09:18] <foxiness> clusty: thanks am on it but ff not stable at all ,coz that am asking to make sure it upgrade well with other part
[09:18] <foxiness> reber: yes
[09:18] <tech0007> jst upgrade to GutsyRC, do i need to recompile via openchrome driver coz i did that in Feisty?
[09:18] <reber> valuable info, thanks
[09:18] <clusty> foxiness: works just fine. no crash in 2 weeks since i have it
[09:19] <clusty> reber: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/
[09:19] <clusty> one thing: worth getting the 64 bit ubuntu?
[09:19] <foxiness> clusty: me too but not soomth it hang for sec 1-5 on every new tab
[09:20] <clusty> foxiness: have tons of crap installed?
[09:20] <clusty> extensions i mean
[09:20] <foxiness> sure :) why then i use it
[09:20] <clusty> foxiness: you can downgrade anyways if you don't like it i guess
[09:22] <foxiness> clusty: great idea i will wait until final release if nothing changed i will do it
[09:22] <clusty> foxiness: no use upgrading anyways
[09:22] <clusty> differences are minor
[09:22] <clusty> ...if any
[09:24] <foxiness> clusty: i will look to add-one and will delete what not needed any more
[09:25] <clusty> foxiness: i use just bibTex addon and adblocker
[09:26] <foxiness> clusty: me more than 20 add-ons x)
[09:26] <clusty> there you go
[09:26] <rafael__> someone knows how can i turn a folder into a file tar.gz?
[09:26] <cwgannon> right click, "Create Archive"
[09:26] <cafuego> tar cfz file.tar.gz folder
[09:26] <cwgannon> hahaha
[09:27] <clusty> rafael__: tar -cvzf <blah.tar.gz> <>folder
[09:27] <clusty> :D
[09:27] <rafael__> thank u very much
[09:27] <rafael__> u all geek
[09:27] <clusty> i speak geek :D
[09:27] <foxiness> :) i donot think soo cwgannon is not
[09:28] <cwgannon> :)
[09:28] <cwgannon> i had compiz fusion and emerald installed in feisty, now w/ the upgrade they're gone but only sort of ... can somebody explain what went on?
[09:29] <foxiness> cwgannon: i hope someone answer ur Q:... am interested too
[09:30] <tech0007>  jst upgrade to GutsyRC, do i need to recompile via openchrome driver coz i did that in Feisty?
[09:31] <cwgannon> emerald is gone, but as i understand it, compiz fusion comes with gutsy ... but it left over compizconfig settings manager (which i get to from 'System, Preferences') and when i try to open that, it doesn't work ... so i am trying to figure out if i can somehow keep the integrated fusion while at the same time use the compizconfig settings manager of old and emerald ... any help at all would be much appreciated
[09:32] <clusty> try purging all compiz related stuff and reinstall it
[09:32] <clusty> bug Amaranth , he is the compiz guru
[09:33] <foxiness> clusty: now i disable more than a half of my add-ons and i will see if make it more stable
[09:33] <clusty> foxiness: :D good choice
[09:33] <rafael__> is possible to change the distributor-logo  on gutsy ?
[09:34] <rafael__> im trying the same way i did on feisty and its not working
[09:34] <clusty> rafael__: whats that?
[09:34] <rafael__> that icon on the main bar
[09:34] <Amaranth> cwgannon: Do not PM without permission.
[09:34] <rafael__> left side of applications
[09:34] <Amaranth> cwgannon: I'm rather busy right now, try #compiz-fusion
[09:34] <cwgannon> eek
[09:34] <cwgannon> sorry
[09:34] <foxiness> clusty: i found "ubufox" did u know what is that?
[09:34] <clusty> foxiness: no idea
[09:35] <magnetron> foxiness: ubufox is the firefox for ubuntu, with extension APT support
[09:36] <clusty> magnetron: what does that do?
[09:36] <magnetron> firefox?
[09:36] <clusty> magnetron: like getting flash support and stuff?
[09:36] <magnetron> yeah
[09:36] <foxiness> magnetron: good u tell me that b4 i disable it
[09:37] <magnetron> foxiness: Synaptic shows you a description of each package
[09:37] <dorkface> I just installed a machine with gutsy that has two monitors.  As of now, both monitors show the same desktop.  Where can I look to see how to change it so that each monitor has its own desktop?
[09:38] <clusty> dorkface: what video card?
[09:38] <dorkface> 8800gts
[09:38] <clusty> dorkface: nvidia-settings
[09:38] <clusty> with sudo
[09:38] <dorkface> ah, thank you
[09:39] <clusty> dorkface: you got yourself a fokin monster amigo :D
[09:39] <dorkface> hehe
[09:39] <dorkface> q6600 as well
[09:39] <clusty> whats that?
[09:39] <clusty> quad
[09:39] <clusty> :D
[09:39] <dorkface> Don't want to get too off topic here :-D
[09:39] <clusty> guess its fine
[09:40] <clusty> not high volume traffic
[09:40] <dorkface> ah :-)
[09:40] <clusty> working on a quad with 2 gtx's SLIed :D
[09:40] <dorkface> and yes, its a quad, hehe
[09:40] <foxiness> magnetron: thanks for let me know that :) "cool"
[09:40] <mfabbri> does anybody know where the mount options of the new disk Properties dialog get stored?
[09:41] <dorkface> Gonna be a hot machine :)
[09:41] <clusty> mfabbri: meaning?
[09:41] <clusty> dorkface: maybe hot but very silent
[09:41] <foxiness> mfabbri: System>removeable disk
[09:41] <mfabbri> foxiness, thank you
[09:42] <fermat_> Hello all. Can someone estimate the difference between the release candidate of gutsy and the final version? Does it make sense to wait two days for the final version, or is there no disadvantage when I install now?
[09:42] <clusty> fermat_: wait 1 week extra :D
[09:42] <clusty> prolly patches will be flying around for first few days
[09:43] <mfabbri> foxiness, I can't see any mount point...
[09:44] <dorkface> Since I just isntalled RC version of gutsy, is it possible to be just fine doing "apt-get upgrade" or do  I HAVE to use the update manager?
[09:44] <foxiness> mfabbri: where u are now?
[09:44] <clusty> dorkface: use dist-upgrade
[09:44] <alecwh> I'm using a dell latitude D630, and I'm having problems connecting with my school's WPA network. All my friend's macs and windows PCs connect fine, but my computer just won't connect. The WPA pass is correct. Can anyone help? I'm using NDisWrapper I think with my wifi card.
[09:44] <clusty> dorkface: that does "smart" upgrading
[09:44] <mfabbri> foxiness, System, Preferences, Removable Drives and Media...
[09:44] <rafael__> i cant do it =\
[09:44] <dorkface> ah
[09:44] <yeager> someone else has their logs full of apparmor stuff from avahi-daemon wanting to update localtime?
[09:45] <fermat_> aha, ok. I'll wait. thanks :-)
[09:45] <mfabbri> clusty, I mean when you change something in the Volume tab of a disk Propreties
[09:45] <yeager> s/update/read/
[09:45] <clusty> mfabbri: cant help you sorry. i edit most of the config files
[09:46] <clusty> mfabbri: what you wanna change?
[09:47] <mfabbri> clusty, i got a vfat disk automounted as read-only and so i changed the options in the aformentioned tab...
[09:47] <hugolp> hi, anyone in Gutsy not being able to conect to the net after this morning updates?
[09:47] <clusty> the mounting stuff is governed by /etc/fstab
[09:48] <mfabbri> clusty, but I ended up somewhat mispelling the mount point
[09:48] <clusty> mfabbri: thats easy
[09:48] <mfabbri> clusty, there is no clue of it in /etc/fstab
[09:48] <foxiness> mfabbri: if u right click u can see the last two tab
[09:48] <clusty> mfabbri: gnome automounter does not do its thing?
[09:48] <emonkey-p> no I'm here
[09:49] <neztiti> hi guys
[09:49] <neztiti> anyone use dvb card here?
[09:49] <mfabbri> foxiness, I got two partitions on the disk the vfat partition doesn't get mounted the other one yes
[09:49] <hugolp> neztiti:  I do
[09:49] <clusty> mfabbri: just add the lines in fstab
[09:50] <clusty> its really easy
[09:50] <alecwh> I'm using a dell latitude D630, and I'm having problems connecting with my school's WPA network. All my friend's macs and windows PCs connect fine, but my computer just won't connect. The WPA pass is correct. Can anyone help? I'm using NDisWrapper I think with my wifi card. I have a topic @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3541789&posted=1#post3541789 , but my question wasn't really answered.
[09:50] <neztiti> hugolp: did u have gbox works with gusty?
[09:50] <clusty> alecwh: i guess no1 knows anything about the subject
[09:51] <hugolp> dont know whats gbox
[09:51] <riotkittie> alecwh: are you using wpa_supplicant? also, i dont think thats the proper link ;)
[09:51] <mfabbri> clusty, ok this should fix it but being a removable storage I'd like automount to take care of it
[09:51] <hugolp> I have a three dvb cards and they were working on gutsy after I recompile from the v4l-dvb trunk
[09:51] <neztiti> hugolp: its client to share with dreambox recievers
[09:52] <hugolp> neztiti:  Im from Barcelona, never heard of that before
[09:52] <clusty> mfabbri: really weird that gnome wont do it for you
[09:53] <neztiti> hugolp: its  strange man  that u have dvb card and u dont use gbox
[09:53] <mfabbri> clusty, Gnome is compelling that I mispelled the mount-point and doesn't mount the disk...
[09:53] <hugolp> neztiti:  never heard of it, I use mythtv
[09:53] <neztiti> hugolp:  witch card do u have???
[09:54] <mfabbri> clusty, error message: mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline G_DIR_SEPARATOR (usually /)
[09:54] <hugolp> wintv dvb-t 500
[09:54] <hugolp> aver media volar
[09:54] <hugolp> and some wintv dvb-s
[09:54] <neztiti> hugolp:  its not dvb application . its plugin
[09:54] <hugolp> neztiti:  what is it for?
[09:55] <neztiti> its 2 share the channels with the dreambox recievers
[09:55] <hugolp> whats a dreambox reciever?
[09:55] <alecwh> riotkittie: yes, I am I think
[09:55] <neztiti> its home reciever
[09:56] <hugolp> neztiti:  what exactly is a home reciever? Im not originally english speaker
[09:56] <alecwh> riotkittie, that was the wrong lnk, just ignore it. Can you help me?
[09:57] <clusty> mfabbri: no idea. i mount/unmount lots of stuff by hand
[09:57] <clusty> :D
[09:57] <neztiti> its dvb machine to watch the sats channels
[09:58] <clusty> have fun guys
[09:58] <clusty> bye bye
[09:59] <tech0007> !fixres
[09:59] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:59] <mfabbri> foxiness, do you think this problem should be fixable by the gui?
[09:59] <jmg> hi all
[09:59] <rafael__> =(  how can i change the distributor-logo  on gutsy ?
[09:59] <jmg> anyone know about how to disable dpms in ubuntu+1? i have dpms false in xorg.conf
[10:01] <alecwh> how do I find out if I have a Broadcom BCM4306 wifi card?
[10:01] <nanonyme> try dmesg?
[10:01] <nanonyme> that is, dmesg|less there's a lot of text there
[10:03] <neztiti> hugolp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreambox
[10:07] <dorkface> Hmm...I tried "nvidia-settings", but all it does is give me a window that gives me a few checkboxes that have little to do with what I want
[10:17] <hugolp> neztiti:  can you have mythtfrontend in one of this boxes?
[10:28] <hetauma> it is quite often that emerald crashes. When that happens I can't alt+f2 so I run emerald--replace again. and if I run it from the console with emerald --replace& when I close that terminal it dies too
[10:28] <hetauma> what can I do ?
[10:30] <Tomcat_> hetauma: I'd suggest to file a bug (to trace the crashes of emerald) and then disable desktop effects... working like that is not really possible.
[10:31] <hetauma> Tomcat_, it's not that often to really cause serious problems. I should look around in launchpad for bug reports
[10:31] <tolonuga> hi. what is the proper way to install a minimal gutsy server (meant to run xen as xen0 only)?
[10:35] <Tomcat_> hetauma: And for it dying when the terminal closes... when you call emerald, there will be a line "[X]  YYYYY". Use "disown X" so the terminal won't "own" the emerald job.
[10:36] <hetauma> Tomcat_, nice ty
[10:37] <hetauma> tolonuga, actually it seems that it is disown YYYY
[10:37] <hetauma> Tomcat_, *
[10:37] <Tomcat_> hetauma: Did you try?
[10:38] <hetauma> yes
[10:38] <Tomcat_> hetauma: Because X is a "job spec", Y is only a PID... disown *usually* takes a job spec. :)
[10:38] <Monkeygill> anyone else experiencing broken samba after the last series of updates?
[10:38] <Tomcat_> hetauma: But I don't really know, just looked it up myself.
[10:38] <hetauma> Tomcat_, for X it gave me no such job
[10:40] <sikor_sxe> since i updated to gutsy my card reader only mounts sd-cards as readonly
[10:40] <sikor_sxe> is there something i can do about this?
[10:49] <rafael__> i use tilda here.. when i minimize an maximize .. that turn white.. i need to close and open the program again.
[10:49] <rafael__> anyone knows how to fix ?
[10:49] <Almindor> is it known that last update is broken if you have audacious installed? (same file in 2 packages error again)
[10:49] <rafael__> tilda ? no problem ?
[10:50] <rafael__> Almindor, did u change your ubuntu logo on the main bar ?
[10:50] <Almindor> radius, ?
[10:51] <Almindor> hups
[10:51] <Almindor> rafael__, ?
[10:51] <rafael__> Almindor, that ubuntu icon on the left side of "applications" on the main bar
[10:52] <rafael__> Almindor, ah its not about your audacius.. its my question only
[10:52] <rafael__> hehe
[10:52] <Almindor> /usr/lib/audacious/General/libcurl.so is in audacious-plugins AND in audacious-plugins-extra
[10:52] <rafael__> i dont use audacius
[10:52] <rafael__> i think gutsy is faster than feisty. my internet turned faster too o_O voodoo ?
[10:52] <kRush> what is a .run file?
[10:53] <rafael__> Amaranth, hey, do u know if is it possible to change the distributor-logo ?
[10:54] <Almindor> hmm aparently it's reported already
[10:58] <nikolam> hello
[10:59] <emanuelez> hmmm... totally off-topic... i don't believe the word interestingness exists... what can be used instead? :P
[10:59] <nikolam> I installed gutsy but I cant find power settings in screensaver settings
[11:00] <nikolam> is that power settings anyway else, and I am missing to see them?
[11:00] <nikolam> its Xubuntu 64-bit rc
[11:02] <databuddy> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/audacious-plugins_1.3.5-3ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack): //// trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/audacious/General/libcurl.so', which is also in package audacious-plugins-extra
[11:02] <databuddy> known bug?
[11:02] <nikolam> #macedonia
[11:04] <rohan_> what package does kubuntu use to display OSD when i control volume using volume keys on keyboard ?
[11:07] <nikolam> Is there any power settings (for screen, etc) ?
[11:08] <databuddy> bi
[11:08] <databuddy> no
[11:08] <databuddy> depreciated
[11:08] <rohan> nikolam: in kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[11:08] <nikolam> xubuntu
[11:08] <databuddy> o
[11:08] <rohan> nikolam: oh, sorry no idea
[11:08] <databuddy> in gnome its depreciated
[11:08] <databuddy> ~_~
[11:08] <nikolam> There was in screensavers before, now nothing
[11:08] <databuddy> which i hate
[11:08] <rohan> databuddy: what is deprecated ?
[11:08] <nikolam> Should I post a bug about that?
[11:08] <rohan> use gnome-power-manager ?
[11:08] <rohan> nikolam: yes
[11:08] <nikolam> OK :)
[11:10] <databuddy> rohan gnome advanced pref on screensaver
[11:10] <databuddy> very sucky
[11:10] <nikolam> Hey man, xubuntu
[11:11] <rohan> databuddy: oh no idea, don't use gnome
[11:11] <nikolam> ok :)
[11:12] <Neatchee> Hey all, I'm still having a network problem after upgrading to Gutsy.  Every 10-15mins i will lost connectivity.  I'm on wireless and the signal is not being dropped, but I get disconnected from any connected services (AIM, IRC, etc) and can't make new connections.  Internal network traffic is uneffected
[11:13] <Neatchee> This includes regular browsing.  DNS lookups timeout.
[11:13] <Neatchee> But local network activity is unhindered
[11:13] <Amaranth> emanuelez: interest :)
[11:14] <rohan> any kubuntu developers hanging around here ?
[11:30] <Ximal> could anyone help me with pidgin messenger please ?
[11:30] <rohan> Ximal: yes ?
[11:31] <Ximal> im trying to get the myspace plugin working on pidgin msngr
[11:32] <rohan> Ximal: oh sorry, no idea about that. never used it.
[11:35] <gunashekar> h
[11:38] <modumass> hey all, um, cant upgrade to Gibbon, i keep getting this error http://www.pastebin.org/4954 .. any ideas?
[11:53] <jscinoz_> hey guys
[11:54] <jscinoz> i was browsing around and noticed the awesome looking grub menu that Linux Mint has (http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/celena/grub.png), how is this done? simply through a view lines in menu.lst that move things around and set a background image? and if so what lines should i add.
[11:54] <daengbo> modumass: you there?
[11:58] <daengbo> jscinoz: this might have your answer: http://www.linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=37961
[11:59] <jscinoz> thanks ill read over it now
[12:06] <jscinoz> is there any improvement in the grub contained in package grub-pc than the normal one?
[12:09] <pkern> My initrd with an unsupported kernel (vanilla <IP_ADDRESS>) is quite large (40M, compared with 7M with Ubuntu one). Anyone got a clue how to reduce this?
[12:10] <avatar_> use modules
[12:10] <h1st0> Anyone notice an issue with rhythmbox's tag editor
[12:10] <h1st0> I'm trying to change the album listed on an mp3 and it changes int he software then when I close rhythmbox it reverts back
[12:11] <careym> Anyone notice a problem where printing a landscape page from Abiword ends up with the page printed but only to the width of an equivalent portrait page?
[12:14] <careym> It happens whether I print to the Kyocera FS1030D attached to the machine and when I print to the PDF printer
[12:16] <careym> Everything looks right in print preview, but when the paper (in the case of the Kyocera) or the pdf (in the case of the pdf printer) are produced the text is only visible to the width of a portrait page when landscape was requested.  Text orientation is correct for landscape.
[12:23] <Ximal> man oh man... heh.. this o/s rox0z !
[12:23] <Ximal> lol
[12:38] <Nuba1> Hi there, I'm trying to install ubuntu on my laptop with a ati radeon X1450
[12:38] <Nuba1> is it true that xorg 7.3 is not supported by the fglrx drivers?
[12:39] <Eq|work> was true.. fairly sure that's been sorted for some time now.
[12:40] <Nuba1> well, no in RC my laptops will not load
[12:40] <Nuba1> and work fine under feisty
[12:41] <Nuba1> I'm actually running edubuntu LTSP and have 21 clients running the X1450 radeons, so I must find a solution to this
[12:42] <Nuba1> I guess going back to feisty is an option, but I'd imagine I'm not the only one with this issue... there must loads of fglrx users out there
[12:43] <wers> when i installed gutsy on this partition, my feisty on my other paritition stopped working. On that feisty X did not start and the terminal stated that apt is not installed. any ideas why that happened?
[12:43] <crdlb> gutsy doesn't have Xorg 7.3
[12:43] <jscinoz> Nuba how urgent is working ati hardware accelleration? i do believe that the open source 3d driver should be ready in the next few months
[12:43] <careym> bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/153248 filed
[12:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153248 in libgnome "landscape printed output is trucated to portrait page width" [Undecided,New]
[12:44] <Nuba1> I cant wait till its out, cause I've had nothing but headaches with fglrx
[12:44] <assasukasse> hi everyone, after installing gutsy i lost all the tty, is there any workaround fix for that?
[12:45] <careym> CTRL+ALT+F{1.....} does not work? CTRL+ALT+F7 brings you back to X
[12:45] <Eq|work> jscinoz : did you ever get sound sorted?
[12:45] <jscinoz> yep, .13 kernel update fixed it ages ago
[12:45] <jscinoz> was only broken in .11 and .12
[12:45] <jscinoz> although the most recent update changed some things
[12:46] <lee_> WOW eveery thing is here but my at drivers
[12:46] <Eq|work> jscinoz : bah.. mine still ain't working :(
[12:46] <lee_> !ati
[12:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:46] <Eq|work> don't think there's a codec for it.
[12:46] <jscinoz> i got a  new channel in alsa mixer "Side" (i hope this controls audio output over hdmi as i could never get that working before), and i lost the swtich "Mic as output" and a new switch "IEC958" appeared, any idea what it does?
[12:46] <Eq|work> (damned software sound..)
[12:46] <Eq|work> no clue
[12:47] <jscinoz> i know IEC958 has something to do with digital sound, hopefully hdmi, but it doesnt say what it toggles.
[12:47] <lee_> eh that latter one might be for a didgtal in...some cards have the chips but don't have the adapter
[12:47] <Eq|work> google it?
[12:47] <lee_> to used= em
[12:48] <lee_> sounds corny but its true
[12:48] <penguincentral> google is your friend
[12:49] <Nuba1> Ubuntu Gutsy clearly does have xorg 7.3
[12:50] <Nuba1> I know how to install my drivers... I'm just wondering when there will be a fix to make the latest ati flgrx driver work with xorg 7.3
[12:50] <jscinoz> eq|work, it says it controls spdif output... but this laptop doesnt have spdif, only 3 3.5mm plugs and a hdmi
[12:50] <jscinoz> so i assume it controls hdmi audio
[12:50] <savvas> Nuba1: file a bug and count your lucky stars :)
[12:50] <Nuba1> already did that, added to the ones already there
[12:51] <savvas> if there is already a bug, nominate it for gutsy release
[12:51] <Nuba1> its a known issue
[12:51] <pkern> Nuba1: xorg 7.3 is not present in Gutsy, right?
[12:51] <Nuba1> yes it is
[12:51] <savvas> xserver-xorg: Installed: 1:7.2-5ubuntu13
[12:51] <jscinoz> eq|work you're using the snd-hda-intel driver right?
[12:51] <pkern> Nuba1: The fixes to the driver are not redistributable.
[12:51] <pkern> Nuba1: 7.3 is not supported.
[12:52] <jscinoz> Is there an ETA on that GPL ati driver?
[12:52] <pkern> My initrd with an unsupported kernel (vanilla <IP_ADDRESS>) is quite large (40M, compared with 7M with Ubuntu one). Anyone got a clue how to reduce this?
[12:52] <Nuba1> well feisty works with the fglrx drivers... gutsy doesnt
[12:52] <pkern> jscinoz: I heared christmas for 2d stuff, but well.
[12:52] <Nuba1> clearly something changed
[12:52] <pkern> jscinoz: Novell is hired for this.
[12:52] <jscinoz> >_<
[12:52] <jscinoz> are any open source accelerated nvidia drivers in progress?
[12:53] <pkern> Nuba1: If that's about suspend, then it's a known regression.
[12:53] <Nuba1> no, X just wont start
[12:53] <careym> open source nvidia drivers at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[12:53] <jscinoz> cheers
[12:53] <careym> is a work in progress though
[12:53] <jscinoz> yeah
[12:54] <jscinoz> also... anyone know when alienarena in the repos will be updated to 6.10, it game out a day or so ago and is a major update
[12:55] <Nuba1>  really the only part of xorg 7.3 they really depended on was xrandr 1.2, and that's already in. -- from launchpad
[12:55] <Nuba1> Thats my problem...
[12:55] <Nuba1> xrandr 1.2 is not supported in newer fglrx driver cards
[12:56] <jscinoz> i really hope someone hacks the hardware lockdown on the ps3's gpu. Linux + ps3 with full hardware access will be an awesome gaming box.
[12:56] <Nuba1> not all of xorg 7.3 is in Gutsy from what I understand... but since its modular, that makes sense
[12:56] <jscinoz> hmm... anyone know what arch the ps3 was again? powerpc right?
[12:56] <bascule> no it's cell
[12:56] <bascule> but linux ran on cell before any other OS
[12:57] <jscinoz> hmm
[12:57] <jscinoz> i swear i read somewhere that it was ppc based
[12:57] <Eq|work> nope
[12:57] <jscinoz> mm
[12:57] <jscinoz> hmm
[12:57] <bascule> thing is, getting all that code to compile on a cell will be a major hackathon to say the least
[12:57] <Eq|work> it'll be a complete bitch
[12:57] <Eq|work> and cell is a whore to code for at all
[12:58] <jscinoz> and we need someone to break the hypervisor so we get GPU acess under Linux
[12:58] <Eq|work> jscinoz : the 360 is more based on ppc
[12:58] <bascule> lots of work for us :)
[12:58] <Trewas> yep, cell is based on power pc, like all the three new consoles
[12:58] <bascule> cell is completely different from anything at all
[12:58] <Eq|work> Trewas : only exceedingly loosely
[12:59] <bascule> if anything it's closer to itanium
[12:59] <Eq|work> in that ibm used some things from the ppc arch when developing cell
[12:59] <Trewas> "Cell combines a general-purpose Power Architecture core of modest performance with streamlined coprocessing elements"
[12:59] <alain> ei guys.. my CCSM just gone.. dont know wat went wrong
[12:59] <jscinoz> i wish microsoft wasnt as much of a douche about modded consoles... permaban from XBL for adding functionality that should have been there in the first place is weak.
[12:59] <alain> any ideas
[12:59] <bascule> ms think they are the law
[12:59] <jscinoz> so if i were to get a PPC ubuntu live cd, with all the assorted hackery required to get the ps3 to boot it.. that would work right?
[01:00] <bascule> alain: run it from a shell, see the output
[01:00] <bascule> jscinoz: not even close
[01:00] <Nuba1> so, no one is running Gutsy on newer Radeon ATI's?
[01:01] <jscinoz> bascule, this page mentions it should work with basic functionality: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayStation_3
[01:01] <bascule> oh!
[01:01] <Eq|work> Trewas : yeah.. and you cannot address most of the cell proccy as ppc
[01:03] <Trewas> Eq|work: so? it is still powerpc, even if generic powerpc code cannot use the 7 coprocessors
[01:03] <jscinoz> if they every managed a complete rewrite of ubuntu or some other distro for cell, and hacked the hypervisor, you'd have one hell of a gaming rig, beats the $4k custom rigs.
[01:04] <pkern> Nuba1: I do, it sucks.
[01:05] <Eq|work> Trewas : generic ppc code can't use the core either
[01:05] <Eq|work> as it won't get addressed to it
[01:05] <pkern> Nuba1: You'll need to recompile your kernel to suspend at least.
[01:05] <Eq|work> there's more to it than that.
[01:09] <bascule> are there any plans to sell the cell in quantity for domestic/non-commercial use?
[01:11] <Rudd-O> hey there guys
[01:11] <Rudd-O> hi guys, need a little support here with kde4?  kde4 3.94 is telling me that libkpty.so cannot be found.  any idea which package need I install?  KUbuntu here.
[01:11] <Rudd-O> gutsy beta
[01:12] <stdin> Rudd-O: have you installed kde4base-dev?
[01:12] <kyja> Rudd-O, #ubuntu+1
[01:13] <bascule> we're in +1
[01:13] <Brucevdk> 1+1=3?
[01:13] <Rudd-O> stdin
[01:13] <bascule> Brucevdk: sometimes ;)
[01:14] <Rudd-O> I am in #ubuntu+1 am I not?
[01:14] <Brucevdk> :)
[01:14] <kyja> omg hehe yeah you are
[01:14] <Rudd-O> why do I need to install kde4base-dev?
[01:14] <stdin> Rudd-O: you do to get all the dependencies
[01:14] <Brucevdk> kyja: aren't we all, aren't we all
[01:14] <kyja> :)
[01:15] <Rudd-O> stdin, I have all the dependencies in kdebase-workspace
[01:15] <Rudd-O> if that's not enough, then there's a packaging problem
[01:15] <Rudd-O> to get kde4 kdebase-workspace is the one that pulls everything required to *run* it
[01:15] <Brucevdk> I know of tons of packaging problems where the wrong .so is referenced
[01:15] <stdin> no, it's not. the proper way is to install kde4base-dev
[01:15] <Rudd-O> stdin: that makes no sense
[01:15] <stdin> because it's not complete
[01:15] <Rudd-O> why whould a dynamic library reside in a -dev package?
[01:16] <stdin> it's not, it's actually a link
[01:16] <stdin> so it should be in -dev
[01:16] <Rudd-O> link to what lib?
[01:16] <stdin> yes
[01:16] <Rudd-O> ldd says it's a shared object file
[01:16] <Rudd-O> and it says it's not found
[01:16] <Rudd-O> so where should the link point to then?
[01:17] <stdin> it will be a link rather, but a .so is always in -dev
[01:18] <stdin> but like I said, installing kde4base-dev is the proper way to install
[01:18] <stdin> it has been since the 1st alpha packages
[01:18] <Rudd-O> it doesn't make sense
[01:19] <Rudd-O> dev packages are for devs
[01:19] <Rudd-O> plus it puts like an extra 200 MB on my system!
[01:19] <Rudd-O> why isn't kde beta built properly instead?
[01:19] <stdin> yes, there is no point installing kde4 packages unless you intend to develop on it. it's not exactly usable
[01:19] <stdin> Rudd-O: it is built properly
[01:20] <Rudd-O> no it's not, why does an application require something that is on a -dev package that pulls hundreds of MB of dependencies in?
[01:20] <stdin> because it's not complete
[01:20] <stdin> it shouldn't really be packaged yet
[01:20] <Rudd-O> what do you mean "not complete"?  what is so hard about putting the libkpty.so lib in the kdebase-workspace package?
[01:20] <Rudd-O> or kdelibs?
[01:20] <Rudd-O> stdin the point of packaging is so that it receives wider testing
[01:20] <stdin> because that's against packaging standards
[01:21] <stdin> .so goes in -dev
[01:21] <mzuverink> in certain programs including but not limited to xchat and gnomebaker I get those nice character symbols that look like dominos instead of the actual character, whats the best way to solve this.  I am assuming that it means that I do not have that specific font installed, is that correct?  If so, back to the origional question, how do I solve that aside from installing every font available?
[01:21] <stdin> and .so *should* be a link
[01:21] <Rudd-O> mzuverink: install a font with extended characters such as asian and stuff
[01:21] <mzuverink> Rudd-O, ok
[01:21] <Rudd-O> the fact that I have to install an extra hundred megs of stuff just to make a symlink is preposterous
[01:22] <mzuverink> Rudd-O, thank you
[01:22] <stdin> it's not a symlink yet
[01:22] <Brucevdk> stdin: the pidgin seems to have shared libraries in it
[01:22] <stdin> it will be when the version settles
[01:22] <Rudd-O> a symlink to which file?
[01:22] <stdin> to the version of the lib
[01:22] <Rudd-O> please tell me so I can actually do the symlink and avoid the 128 M and the cruft
[01:22] <Rudd-O> stdin: but there is NO lib!!!!!!
[01:23] <Rudd-O> there is NOthing named libkpty.so.* in the lib folder
[01:23] <stdin> it's not a symlink yet, it will be, like I said
[01:23] <stdin> when the version settles
[01:24] <Rudd-O> ok anyway
[01:24] <Rudd-O> the kubuntu installation instructions make no mention of this fact
[01:25] <alain> any good dock for gutsy coz kiba ruin my compiz
[01:25] <stdin> from the 1st alpha http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[01:25] <stdin> "Install kde4base-dev, this will uninstall the normal qt4 packages and install the qt4 kdecopy packages."
[01:26] <stdin> Alpha2 "Install kde4base-dev."
[01:26] <stdin> etc, etc
[01:29] <Brucevdk> stdin: could you explain the whole shared libraries belong in -dev packages thing?
[01:30] <stdin> Brucevdk: they don't, .so's are link to the binary file with the version, eg: liblib.so would point to liblib.so.1 which would then point to liblib.so.1.0.0
[01:30] <Rudd-O> stdin
[01:31] <stdin> .so are normally only needed for linking, but in kde4 the versions haven't settled
[01:31] <Rudd-O> if they are a link to a real shared library... where is the shared library then?
[01:31] <stdin> like I said, the version hasn't settled, the .so is a binary
[01:31] <stdin> it will link to a diversion binary when it settles
[01:32] <stdin> one with a version
[01:32] <Brucevdk> what's a diversion binary and where does it come from?
[01:32] <stdin> erm, revision, not diversion
[01:33] <stdin> .so.X.X.X is the library, .so is a link to it
[01:41] <Brucevdk> stdin: so a -dev package is supposed to only include only symbolic links to shared libraries, which are in turn provided by the actual package (which the -dev package depends on)?
[01:41] <stdin> yeah
[01:42] <Brucevdk> right
[01:43] <geser> Brucevdk: if you're interested in library package read also http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[01:44] <geser> That's how libraries are packaged in Debian/Ubuntu
[01:46] <Brucevdk> ok, I see you're trying to get rid of me, sneaky! :)
[01:54] <panosru> Hi, I'm on Gutsy 64bit and i try to install Java on firefox can anyone help me? If i go to a page that uses java applets it says me that the plugin is missing and i press to install it, it installs icedtea 7 and then i restart firefox after that i go again to a page with java applet and it says me again that the plugin is missing and i press again to install it but this time it says me that this is already install (as it should to say)
[01:54] <panosru> but java not works.
[01:55] <bardyr> panosru, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:55] <I-hate-xp> today i updated more than 120M. does it mean it is the final 7.10??
[01:55] <bardyr> I-hate-xp, nope
[01:55] <I-hate-xp> looks like it should be final
[01:55] <bardyr> I-hate-xp, the final is in 2 days
[01:55] <panosru> bardyr i think that i already have this, w8 a sec to check it
[01:56] <I-hate-xp> but actually i am unable to activate the restrict nvidia driver, to enable compiz.
[01:56] <I-hate-xp> so i hope the final should be ok
[01:56] <panosru> bardyr yes i already have this
[01:57] <bardyr> panosru, there is no 64bit flash player you need gnash or install the 32bit flash player
[01:57] <panosru> bardyr i'm talking about java
[01:57] <panosru> flash works perfect
[01:57] <bardyr> hmm
[01:58] <panosru> i have java installed
[01:58] <panosru> and the plugin too
[01:58] <panosru> but it not works on firefox
[01:58] <panosru> in about:config it seems to be ok
[01:58] <bardyr> weird
[01:58] <bardyr> I-hate-xp, why cant you install the nvidia driver?
[01:59] <panosru> and i know that java works because eclipse for example works fine
[01:59] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[01:59] <I-hate-xp> bardyr: if i install that, it will break down my X
[02:00] <bardyr> panosru, "java -version" ?
[02:00] <panosru> java version "1.6.0_03"
[02:00] <bardyr> I-hate-xp, did you try to install the driver with envy or from nvidia.com?
[02:00] <bardyr> panosru, java should work
[02:01] <I-hate-xp> bardyr: tried nvidia.com
[02:01] <I-hate-xp> bardyr: no envy script
[02:01] <panosru> yeah i know but it not
[02:01] <panosru> i will try something now brb in a few seconds
[02:01] <bardyr> I-hate-xp, before or after you tried the restricted-manager?
[02:01] <I-hate-xp> bardyr: before
[02:02] <bardyr> I-hate-xp, do you still have the nvidia.com driver?
[02:03] <I-hate-xp> bardyr: yes,
[02:03] <bardyr> I-hate-xp, do a "sudo sh nvidia-driver.bin --uninstall
[02:04] <I-hate-xp> bardyr: thx, but i don't want to use nvidia driver now. i am using it in office daily work, so i don't care too much compiz now
[02:04] <I-hate-xp> just do without compiz
[02:05] <panosru> nothing...
[02:05] <panosru> i tried to remove ~/.mozilla
[02:05] <panosru> and start firefox again
[02:05] <panosru> but nothing happened i get the same issue
[02:07] <bardyr> panosru, "ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so" ?
[02:10] <panosru> bardyr same..
[02:11] <bardyr> panosru, http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre&try=1
[02:12] <panosru> ok w8 a sec to finish the "Detecting Java on your computer "
[02:13] <panosru> bardyr ok it finished now what?
[02:13] <bardyr> did it detect java?
[02:13] <panosru> in "Test your JVM " i can't see anything only a grey box
[02:13] <panosru> nothing more
[02:17] <panosru> bardyr, see here: http://imagebin.org/11064
[02:17] <Tomcat_> panosru: Check with top or ps if java is running at all while you get the gray box.
[02:18] <Tomcat_> panosru: I sometimes get crashes with Java & Firefox as well...
[02:18] <panosru> Tomcat, yes i saw the bug report with java & firefox
[02:19] <panosru> with top i can't see java
[02:19] <panosru> xm..
[02:19] <panosru> this is bad
[02:19] <panosru> neither with ps ax | grep java
[02:19] <panosru> :/
[02:19] <panosru> xm.
[02:19] <panosru> but when i run eclipse it works
[02:19] <panosru> i mean the eclipse
[02:19] <panosru> not firefox
[02:23] <JediMaster> Hi guys, racking my brains here trying to figure out how to stop nvidia twinview from maximising windows across both screens, anyone got any ideas?
[02:24] <JediMaster> Bearing in mind xinerama has to be off for compiz-fusion/emerald to work
[02:26] <panosru> Tomcat_ , bardyr, watch this -> http://www.nimportequi.com/video_popupDM.php?s=dm&v=xi5MRPSdHopLPkX0V LOOOOOOOOOL
[02:26] <ubstud> Where can I get freenx that works on gutsy?
[02:27] <panosru> anyway java not working its better to forget about her :D
[02:29] <Tomcat_> ubstud: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[02:29] <IdleOne> !freenx
[02:29] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[02:29] <IdleOne> ubstud: I believe there is a package in the !seveas repos ( very safe to use )
[02:30] <ubstud> should I use the repo For Ubuntu 7.04?
[02:30] <IdleOne> ubstud: no
[02:30] <IdleOne> !seveas
[02:30] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - And he's getting married!
[02:31] <Ximal> hey guys.. what's the name of the new beta .. anyone know yet ?
[02:31] <IdleOne> ubstud: feel secure using his repo . I do and many other people do
[02:31] <IdleOne> !hardy
[02:31] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[02:31] <ubstud> deb url-of-repository release-to-use components-to-use   those?
[02:32] <IdleOne> ubstud: yup thats it. look at that wiki page that ubotu gav you all the info you need is there
[02:34] <ubstud> IdleOne, would I use feisty-seveas?
[02:35] <IdleOne> ubstud: not if your running gutsy
[02:35] <ratpoison> I need help! my openoffice impress won't load http://pastebin.com/m18de0b59
[02:35] <gemidjy> will gutsy be cutting-edge or stable dist ?
[02:35] <ratpoison> same thing happens to base
[02:35] <ubstud> IdleOne, so gutsy-seveas?
[02:35] <IdleOne> gemidjy: cutting stable
[02:35] <Ximal> gemidjy : i'm on it.. and it rocks !
[02:35] <ubstud> cause the site doesn't say it supports gutsy
[02:35] <IdleOne> ubstud: yes gutsy-seveas
[02:35] <Ximal> it has wireless support that works for me sofar ! ;)
[02:35] <IdleOne> doesnt?
[02:35] <IdleOne> hmmm lemme look
[02:35] <Ximal> yes it does
[02:36] <Ximal> until 2009 i thought
[02:36] <gemidjy> Ximal: I didnt ask how good it is, I just need stable software
[02:36] <gemidjy> I dont want updates every 30minutes
[02:36] <Ximal> gemidjy : my software is stable.. not crashed unless i caused it due to overworking my processor by opening to much junk
[02:36] <bardyr> gemidjy, gutsy will be released in 2 days
[02:36] <Ximal> it's not like windows and it's bluescreen of death..
[02:36] <gemidjy> bardyr: yes, that is why I ask, weather I install it or not :)
[02:36] <Ximal> hmm... you should try the live cd... most of it can run from live.
[02:37] <bardyr> gemidjy, the release candidate is a little old, i would wait or grab a daily build
[02:37] <gemidjy> bardyr: no I will wait for the final release
[02:37] <gemidjy> but even then, maybe new versions of software will be deployed as soon as they get out
[02:38] <bardyr> gemidjy, only bug fixes are allowed into gutsy now
[02:38] <IdleOne> ubstud: I am certain there is a gutsy package for freenx. try googling gutsy seveas freenx
[02:38] <gemidjy> bardyr: so only security updates will be in gutsy in future too or while the freeze?
[02:39] <Ximal> i think the best security is turning off your pc and your router when you aren't home ;)
[02:39] <bardyr> gemidjy, security updates and bugfixes and small changes
[02:39] <fiXXXerMe1> Is there a torrent that I can download now, to help with bandwidth on release day?
[02:39] <Tomcat_> fiXXXerMe1: On release day there will be.
[02:39] <bardyr> fiXXXerMe1, nope
[02:39] <fiXXXerMe1> Alright
[02:40] <gemidjy> ok
[02:40] <JediMaster> anyone here using nvidia twinview in gutsy?
[02:41] <ubstud> no luck
[02:41] <pequatre> Hi. I've upgraded my xubuntu to Gutsy yesterday, i've last updated around 30 Min ago so i guess i'm up to date. I have a problem: it seems i can't add the "network monitor" applet to the panel (this is xfce, not gnome). Do you have that bug too ?
[02:42] <ratpoison> I need help! my openoffice impress won't load http://pastebin.com/m18de0b59. Same thing with oofice -base
[02:42] <IdleOne> gemidjy: you can try using the feisty package but it may or may not work
[02:42] <IdleOne> ubstud: ^^^
[02:42] <ubstud> ohk, thx.
[02:42] <nikolam> I have trouble with update of gutsy this morning: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40808/
[02:42] <nikolam> Something with audacious packages overlaping
[02:43] <nikolam> Should I deinstall audacious and do update?
[02:43] <WorkingOnWise> pequatre: AKAIK that isn't a bug, it's proper operation. nm only works in gnome.
[02:44] <pequatre> WorkingOnWise, this is not nm, this is an xfce4 applet (not the same). Besides, nm works perfectly in the latest xubuntu (see xubuntu website for gutsy)
[02:44] <IdleOne> pequatre: #xubuntu might be able to help you more
[02:45] <WorkingOnWise> pequatre: my bad
[02:45] <pequatre> IdleOne, they pointed me to that chan :)
[02:45] <IdleOne> ratpoison: this is before the update today or after?
[02:45] <Hamra> does the alternate CD upgrade to gutsy? or does a fresh installation? because im not willing to format my "/" partition!
[02:45] <ratpoison> after: I have rebooted already
[02:45] <IdleOne> Hamra: does both
[02:45] <Eq|work> pequatre : check the package that provides it, then check launchpad?
[02:46] <pequatre> anyway i spotted some errors in my .xubuntu-sessions files. i'll fill a bug report i guess
[02:46] <Hamra> lets start the download then
[02:46] <IdleOne> !upgrade | Hamra
[02:46] <ubotu> Hamra: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:46] <vilasboas_> hy does anyone know how to install beryl on ubuntu 7.10??
[02:46] <IdleOne> vilasboas_: because it is pre-installed
[02:47] <IdleOne> called compiz-fusion
[02:47] <ratpoison> vilasboas_: Why don't you use compiz-fusion? It's newer than beryl
[02:47] <piquadrat> Hi! I'm looking for a mplayer 1.0 rc2 package for gutsy. I tried to compile it myself, but the compiler bails out on one point or another every time
[02:48] <vilasboas_> because i can't use compiz om my laptop and it doesn't has so many efects
[02:48] <crdlb> vilasboas_, why can't you?
[02:48] <crdlb> compiz fusion has more plugins than beryl
[02:49] <IdleOne> vilasboas_: you have 7.10 installed correct? if so got to System > Preferrences > Desktop Effects and enable them
[02:49] <ratpoison> vilasboas_: you can install the advanced settings manager from synaptic. I think that beryl was a fork project of compiz,. Now they re-merged, they were called compiz fusions. I think whatever stable code there was in beryl, it is in compiz fusion
[02:50] <ratpoison> also: if you use glxgears on your terminal, does it work?
[02:50] <vilasboas_> it  appears "Desktop effects could not be enable"
[02:51] <ratpoison_> sry, closed xchat by mistake
[02:51] <crdlb> vilasboas_, what video card?
[02:52] <tinin> Hi, can I use the same ubuntu method in xubuntu to upgrade to gutsy?
[02:53] <Toma-> yep
[02:53] <tinin> there's must be nothing different
[02:53] <tinin> i guess
[02:54] <tinin> so will sudo update-manager -d upgrade me to gutsy?
[02:54] <ubstud> on the nxclient, when it asks for "host" should I just put the ip of the computer running the nx server?
[02:56] <vilasboas_> crdlb how can i see what's my video card?
[02:56] <crdlb> vilasboas_, lspci|grep VGA
[02:56] <crdlb> in a terminal
[02:58] <ubstud> for "host" I put the ip of the host computer and tried connecting but it says "connection refused"
[02:58] <ubstud> is it because the host computer is behind a proxy?
[02:59] <vilasboas_> crdlb: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[03:00] <crdlb> heh
[03:00] <crdlb> vilasboas_, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:00] <BlueAidan_work> I give... how do I install krandr?
[03:00] <crdlb> !pastebin
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[03:01] <deptrai> !release
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[03:02] <ubstud> Any help on my freenx problem?
[03:03] <Taejo> Yay, my windows are wobbling!
[03:04] <oshiii-_^> hehe
[03:05] <ubstud> ??
[03:05] <vilasboas_> crdlb one secund more ;)
[03:06] <IdleOne> ubstud: the proxy may be blocking yes
[03:06] <Brucevdk> anybody know of any effort to making it possible to install applications per-user using Apt? Is that a stupid question? (so non-root, in the home directory)
[03:06] <ubstud> IdleOne, do you know how to setup nx so it knows that I'm behind a proxy?
[03:07] <assasukasse> is there anyone that has fixed the no tty problem?
[03:07] <IdleOne> Brucevdk: that would mean you could have 10 mplayers installed if you have 10 users why would you want that?
[03:07] <IdleOne> ubstud: no I dont sorry
[03:07] <vilasboas_> crdlb: http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[03:07] <IdleOne> ubstud: should be in the settings somewhere though
[03:07] <vilasboas_> sory
[03:08] <Brucevdk> IdleOne: to me it would mean that certain applications you don't want to have system-wide could be installed by the user itself, and therefor that user doesn't need sudo or other administrative rights either. If you as system administrator know everybody wants mplayer, just install it globally.
[03:08] <vilasboas_> crdlb: http://pate.ubuntu-nl.org/40811
[03:08] <IdleOne> ubstud: try asking in #nx
[03:08] <ubstud> kk, ty
[03:09] <IdleOne> Brucevdk: that makes sense also but I dont know of a way to do what it is your asking
[03:10] <IdleOne> Brucevdk: guess disabling sudo but that would mean everyone has root privs . I sure you dont want that
[03:10] <Brucevdk> IdleOne: ;)
[03:10] <Brucevdk> the whole idea is limitation of rights, not expansion hah
[03:11] <ojwb> hi folks - I've just upgraded from feisty to the gutsy RC, but X crashed (just eating CPU) part-way through.  I killed it and rebooted, then dpkg --configure -a, but things aren't totally happy.  In particular, the new kernel won't boot - it gets to the progress bar, then quickly drops to a busybox prompt.  The feisty kernel boots at least.  I tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22-generic but that hasn't helped.  Any sug
[03:11] <ojwb> gestions for digging myself out of this hole?
[03:11] <Brucevdk> I was thinking, maybe one could just update system paths and extract the deb (but that would only work for the simplest of simplest cases)
[03:11] <vilasboas_> crdlb: http://pate.ubuntu-nl.org/40811/ any ideia??
[03:11] <IdleOne> Brucevdk: it is an interesting problem . stick around and ask a few more times. pretty soon more people will be comming online and they can probably help you
[03:12] <crdlb> vilasboas_, ok that looks good
[03:12] <crdlb> vilasboas_, what does glxinfo|grep direct
[03:12] <crdlb> say?
[03:13] <IdleOne> Brucevdk: even extracting the deb requires sudo does it not?
[03:13] <san|> tuxfamily.org is dead?
[03:13] <vilasboas_> crdlb: direct rendering: Yes
[03:13] <WorkingOnWise> Brucevdk: I'm no linux expert, but isn't that the idea behind usermode linux? a "user space"?
[03:13] <ojwb> IdleOne: no, anyone can extract a deb
[03:13] <Brucevdk> IdleOne: fetching it via apt/synaptic would, but otherwise no
[03:14] <ojwb> you can even do it by hand with ar and tar
[03:14] <Brucevdk> WorkingOnWise: I hadn't even heard of usermode Linux untill you just mentioned it ;)
[03:14] <IdleOne> thats right dpkg -i needs sudo
[03:14] <ojwb> that's installing, not extracting
[03:14] <crdlb> vilasboas_, ok so what happens if you run compiz --replace
[03:14] <crdlb> ?
[03:14] <IdleOne> was thinking of the right thing at the wrong time lol
[03:14] <ojwb> ddpkg --unpack
[03:15] <ojwb> or is it dpkg -x
[03:15] <IdleOne> san|: tuxfamily is working for me
[03:15] <ratpoison> IdleOne: you guessed right about gtk. I used another gtk decorator and it worked! :)
[03:15] <IdleOne> gtk? hmm I dont remember guessing about that lol
[03:15] <IdleOne> but glad it worked :)
[03:15] <ratpoison> well somebody did
[03:16] <ratpoison> thank you, somebody!
[03:16] <Brucevdk> WorkingOnWise: looking at the descriptions for UML, this doesn't have anything to do with it. UML seems to be about virtual machine thingies, not packaging and installing software.
[03:16] <ubstud> dang..no one is answering on #nx
[03:16] <ubstud> anyone here used freenx?
[03:16] <WorkingOnWise> Brucevdk: I looked into it a few years back, trying to set up a "sandbox" for each user in a single machine. I'm fairly sure UML is what I had decided to use....before some bonehead with a briefcase decided to by an xp box instead!
[03:16] <mzuverink> Does anyone know if the whole bonobo(sp?) bug has been fixed yet?
[03:17] <CapaH> Hi all, Is there any good reason not to get the Release Candidate --- or would getting the Release Candidate today be pretty much identical to getting the Release in a couple days?
[03:17] <WorkingOnWise> Brucevdk:  I'll dig into my old notes them and see what I was thinking
[03:17] <IdleOne> mzuverink: I got that error this morning when trying to ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:18] <mzuverink> IdleOne, ok, I have not logged out in days
[03:18] <WorkingOnWise> Brucevdk: ty genii
[03:18] <genii> IdleOne , WorkingOnWise np ppl
[03:18] <san|> IdleOne: sorry meant the download server: http://download.tuxfamily.org
[03:19] <vilasboas_> crdlb: http://pate.ubuntu-nl.org/40812/
[03:19] <IdleOne> san|: yup its working
[03:19] <san|> weird...
[03:20] <IrishDave> hey, i just installed gutsy RC and i was hoping to get a custom DSDT hack to fix my sounds but it didnt work.... any ideas? i saw mention of it on forum but no solution
[03:20] <genii> mzuverink: Development work needs caffene :)
[03:20] <genii> *caffeine
[03:20] <mzuverink> genii, amen
[03:20] <crdlb> vilasboas_, ok that's fixable
[03:20] <san|> IdleOne: I get this every time: Connecting to download.tuxfamily.org|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... failed: Connection timed out.
[03:20] <crdlb> vilasboas_, gksu gedit /etc/drirc
[03:20] <vilasboas_> :)
[03:20] <IdleOne> loaded in less then a sec for me
[03:21] <Brucevdk> WorkingOnWise: actually reading some more it seems UML is a virtual machine thingy, but it allows you to share a base system and write the changes somewhere else. Which would probably accomplish the whole seperation of users, though I wonder at what performance costs. Might look at it later.
[03:21] <crdlb> vilasboas_, and paste in this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40813/plain/
[03:21] <LjL> CapaH, realistically, it's quite likely that the final release will be identical... but last-minute bugs can't be excluded, that's why the RC exists in the first place
[03:23] <ojwb> Brucevdk, I believe it allows sharing a base file-system with copy-on-write for any changes
[03:23] <IrishDave> hey, i just installed gutsy RC and i was hoping to get a custom DSDT hack to fix my sounds but it didnt work.... any ideas? i saw mention of it on forum but no solution
[03:23] <vilasboas_> crdlb: ok i have done this do i need to restart?
[03:24] <crdlb> vilasboas_, I don't think so
[03:24] <crdlb> but if it doesn't work, then restart
[03:25] <vilasboas_> crdlb:  it  appears "Desktop effects could not be enable"
[03:25] <vilasboas_> i will restart
[03:26] <tech0007> my system slowed down a bit after upgrading to Gutsy, any idea why?
[03:27] <ojwb> tech0007: probably tracker indexing your files
[03:27] <tech0007> ojwb...is that essential for gutsy to work?
[03:27] <ojwb> System->Preferences->Indexing Preferences to adjust or disable it
[03:27] <ojwb> no
[03:27] <ojwb> just allows you to search files
[03:28] <ojwb> so far, I'm deeply unimpressed by it
[03:28] <foxiness_> tech0007: look at System Monitor it will help u know what is going in ur system
[03:28] <ojwb> it completely filled my /home partition and just kept bashing away
[03:28] <tech0007> ojwb....i can still search for files w/out it right?
[03:28] <seanh> Oh dear, so I installed Gutsy preview over a Feisty install on my thinkpad and now, then I plug in a projector, it doesn't seem to get any signal from the thinkpad. Tried with multiple projectors. I dunno where to start, any pointers?
[03:29] <tech0007> foxiness...what shld i look for in system monitor? CPU, memory?
[03:29] <ojwb> either/both
[03:30] <tech0007> ojwb...im looking under processes, there r tons here i dont understand, do i need evolution etc, i dont use the evolution email here. i jst go to firefox.
[03:30] <vilasboas_> crbld: it doesn't work :'(
[03:30] <foxiness_> ojwb: b4 i upgrade i have beagle u can image what happen when the two work in the same time
[03:31] <crdlb> vilasboas_, glxinfo -l | grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE
[03:31] <ojwb> tech0007: if you were successfully using something to search for files before, it should still work
[03:31] <IrishDave> does anyone know anything about the lack of working custom DSDT or if it will be fixed for release day?
[03:33] <Angelus> heya
[03:33] <vilasboas_> crdlb: GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 1024
[03:33] <crdlb> hmm :/
[03:33] <foxiness_> ATI Technologies Inc M9+ 5C61 [Radeon Mobility 9200 (AGP)]  (rev 01) , compiz slow on this card ,any tips?
[03:33] <Brucevdk> ojwb: I uninstalled tracker and Nautilus search integration (CTRL + F) at least doesn't seem to work anymore
[03:34] <Brucevdk> ojwb: didn't bother trying to find out why
[03:34] <foxiness_> !hi Angelus
[03:34] <Angelus> when i boot into kubuntu RC release, (gutsy) , the monitor is giving me a wrong size or something, is there a posibility to change the resolution at boot ? :/
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hi angelus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <ubstud> IdleOne, no one there :(
[03:34] <foxiness_> !hi | Angelus
[03:34] <ubotu> Angelus: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[03:34] <Angelus> crdlb, you are everywhere? :P
[03:35] <crdlb> vilasboas_, I don't know why it didn't work :(
[03:35] <vilasboas_> crdlb I'm very thaks for the help but i really need to go to one place i will be back in a ninuts thanks ;)
[03:35] <Angelus> so is there a way to insert a boot option for changing the monitor resolution ?
[03:35] <crdlb> are you sure saved properly?
[03:36] <vilasboas_> crdlb yes
[03:36] <vilasboas_> crdlb I'm very thaks for the help but i really need to go to one place i will be back in a ninuts thanks ;)
[03:37] <tech0007> ojwb / foxiness.....thanks folks
[03:38] <IdleOne> ubstud: nx has a forum you can check also
[03:38] <seanh> Okay, does my problem re projector not getting a signal from my laptop have something to do with XRandR and the new Screens and Graphics administration dialog?
[03:39] <san|> does gutsy support plug and play monitors?
[03:39] <san|> on the fly I mean
[03:39] <ubstud> IdleOne, really? what's the site?
[03:39] <Angelus> why is no one answering me ? am i invisible ? :(
[03:40] <ojwb> what was that noise?
[03:40] <Oli``> huh?
[03:40] <tech0007> !patience | Angelus
[03:40] <ubotu> Angelus: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:40] <Pici> ojwb: :p
[03:40] <ubstud> IdleOne, this: http://www.nabble.com/freenx-knx-f6453.html
[03:40] <Angelus> :O
[03:40] <Angelus> ok
[03:40] <bandit12> i'm running gutsy and can get to the graphic login screen enter username and pass and all that happens is i get back to login screen. Any ideas?
[03:41] <san|> Angelus: change boot resolution? Why?
[03:41] <san|> or you mean the resolution of the desktop
[03:41] <san|> ?
[03:42] <tech0007> bandit12...try logging in to console ...Ctrl-Alt-F1, check if its X or ur user accnt issue
[03:42] <Angelus> sacater, yeah
[03:42] <Angelus> san|, yeaj
[03:42] <Angelus> because
[03:42] <Angelus> when i boot
[03:42] <alain> hi guys how can i install the TSCu_Comic font in gutsy????
[03:42] <Angelus> into livecd
[03:42] <Angelus> when kde is gonna start
[03:43] <Angelus> it gives me a resolution error
[03:43] <Angelus> hte monitor
[03:43] <Angelus> :S
[03:43] <Pici> alain: same way you did in feisty.
[03:43] <Pici> !fonts | alain
[03:43] <ubotu> alain: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[03:43] <bandit12> it's not user account. this is only account i use and i am poss u/p are correct plus it didn't happen till i tried changing graphics card driver so i guess it's x related / me messing about where i shouldn't
[03:45] <bandit12> i'm getting Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[03:45] <tech0007> bandit12...u need to reconfigure x, u can do it while on the console
[03:46] <bandit12> yeh i did an sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. that got me as far as the gui login
[03:47] <san|> Angelus: when you boot the live cd.. there is an option when the initial menu is show (VGA)
[03:47] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hello I am struggling to get ndiswrapper to work on my hp laptop, I have tx1000 amd64 running 7.10 rc and somehow it does not load ndiswrapper
[03:47] <Redhammer_the_Ol> its modprobed and all, as far as I can tell
[03:47] <WorkingOnWise> Brucevdk: I looked at my notes. It was UML I was considering. I would have allowed me to give each user a "sandbox", but there was no common code sharing for the apps, so it would have been a big sandbox. About 3GB per user, 30 users, in 1999. I tinke I was gonna use server for that space. Anyway, yeah, it isn't elegent. Never did find a clean way to do what you want.
[03:47] <Angelus> san|, i can't use vga driver, i use the safe graphics mode :P
[03:49] <san|> pff... doesn't sound like a good start!
[03:49] <Angelus> :/
[03:49] <tech0007> bandit12...'xhost +local:username'
[03:49] <Angelus> if i don't use sage graphics mode(vesa) the kde crashes san|
[03:50] <san|> okay.. and you need some sort of startup option to load this vesa mode?
[03:51] <Angelus> no
[03:51] <Brucevdk> WorkingOnWise: I was looking at a per application sandboxing solution a while ago and all I found was Plash (also not very elegant from the short time I looked at it).
[03:51] <Brucevdk> WorkingOnWise: but that's unrelated anyways
[03:51] <bandit12> tech0007... ok tried that i get -> unable to open display ""
[03:51] <Angelus> san|,  i loaded the vesa mode, but it loaded in a wrong resolution, thats the problem
[03:51] <tech0007> bandit12...ur not logging to X as root, right?
[03:51] <bandit12> no just my own login
[03:52] <tech0007> bandit12....'startx' while on console
[03:52] <thomas__> hi
[03:52] <thomas__> im having some probs with my wifi
[03:53] <san|> Angelus: I don't have a clue mate.. I'm browsing the forums right now for ay
[03:53] <bandit12> tech0007... i get Fatal server error: server is already active for display 0
[03:53] <thomas__> i'm working with ndiswrapper, some moments ago all was fine, but after a reboot it stopped working
[03:53] <thomas__> it worked with wicd
[03:53] <thomas__> now dmsg give: [  654.808000]  ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
[03:54] <tech0007>  bandit12...'killall gdm' if ur using gdm, then try 'startx'
[03:54] <Angelus> ok san| i'll try some options and maybe explode the computer, brb
[03:54] <Angelus> .
[03:55] <bandit12> tech0007... i did killall kdm then startx i get a black nad white lookin screen with a black x for a pointer
[03:58] <tech0007> bandit12...'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE'
[03:59] <tech0007> bandit12...what's ur video card?
[03:59] <bandit12> nvidia geforce6600 in a laptop
[04:02] <bandit12> grep EE gives Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER. GLX is not supported with Composite extension
[04:02] <tech0007> bandit12...blk n white screen still? comment out GLcore and dri in xorg.conf
[04:03] <WorkingOnWise> Wheres the SLED type menu for gnome. I cant find it, and I have installed every pkg I thought might be it.
[04:03] <bandit12> now we come to how do i edit xorg.conf in command line?
[04:03] <thomas_> anyone?
[04:04] <tech0007> bandit12...ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X, then cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf
[04:05] <tech0007> bandit12...'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf' then put # before Load "GLcore" and Load "dri"
[04:06] <bandit12> ok i'll give that a go
[04:06] <CapaH> Quick question, I have a 64 bit processor but some people have told me that getting the 32 bit version is better, can someone give me suggestions on this?
[04:08] <WorkingOnWise> CapaH: If you intend on using more that about 3.4GB of ram, you must use 64 bit. I'm on Gutsy AMD64 and it is not much, if any, faster than 32 bit.
[04:08] <CapaH> I have 2 gigs of ram
[04:08] <CapaH> but a 64 bit processor
[04:08] <WorkingOnWise> I only have 1GB now, but intend on getting at least 4GB, and there is no upgrade from 32 to 64.
[04:09] <bardyr> CapaH, intel or amd
[04:09] <CapaH> amd
[04:09] <WorkingOnWise> My decision was based on intended future use. I have a AMD Turion x2.
[04:09] <bandit12> tech0007.... there is no Load"GLcore" or Load "dri" of any discription
[04:09] <CapaH> Its an Athlon 3500+ 64
[04:10] <WorkingOnWise> If I intended to stay under 4GB of ram, I would have gone with 32 bit. a little more suport, and apps ar written and updated for 32 bit first.
[04:10] <ojwb> though that's less true than it used to be
[04:11] <WorkingOnWise> yeah, it is getting better. It will soon be a non-issue
[04:11] <ojwb> I bet at some point apps will need fixing to keep working on 32 bit platforms!
[04:12] <w00tzilla> this is my first time here but for whatever reason, i am banned from the ubuntu channel
[04:12] <tech0007> bandit12...is it dellprecisionm90?
[04:12] <WorkingOnWise> lol...yeah! Actually, I hope not. pc's are so powerful today, I know many pl who will never need a machine a=even as fast as mine...
[04:12] <alain> im just wondering y my AWN MANAGER wont show up
[04:13] <LjL> w00tzilla: join #ubuntu-ops please
[04:13] <alain> but the AWN nav is working
[04:13] <bandit12> tech0007... no it's gericom
[04:14] <bandit12> all was well till i tried changing from nv to geforce 6 in driver selection
[04:15] <tech0007> bandit12...try 'nvidia'
[04:15] <fignew> CapaH: Flash player works with no hassle under 32 bit
[04:16] <ojwb> hmm, I think my non-booting gutsy kernel may be evms related
[04:16] <foxiness> i have two adsl gateway wireless,ubuntu see one of them "used now" but not the other one how to make sure the problem not form ubuntu?
[04:16] <ojwb> which is apparently unsupported by gutsy
[04:17] <bandit12> in Section "Device" Driver "nvidia" so that doesn't seem to work.
[04:18] <tech0007> bandit12..weird..just 'nv'
[04:19] <ojwb> and I think because my upgrade crashed, I didn't get the "remove obsolete packages" dialog
[04:19] <vo> great. visudo messed up my /etc/sudoers
[04:20] <bandit12> in graphic mode both parts in the display manager bit were 'nv' thats what ubuntu auto detected
[04:20] <tolonuga> hi. found a bug in the alternative installer: if there are raid devices from some old setup, it can't remove them. it seems to try to remove "/dev/md/1" when it should try to remove "/dev/md1" - known issue?
[04:20] <ThunderStruck> vo ae you sure visudo did? or you changed something you shouldnt have?
[04:20] <bandit12> that all worked well but i was trying to get geforce6 driver working and now i'm stuck with command line and partial gui login
[04:20] <vo> well, i actually just opened visudo and i only looked at the file, i am sure I didn't change anything
[04:21] <vo> i only looked inside and then closed it
[04:21] <Pici> vo: and why do you think it messed up the file? Are you getting errors?
[04:21] <vo> next time i went to sudo something, it said "SYNTAX ERROR!"
[04:21] <vo> in my /etc/sudoers, line 2
[04:22] <vo> so i'm going to reboot in a sec in recovery mode to see what happened
[04:22] <Pici> vo: good idea
[04:22] <ojwb> is there a way to get to that list of obsolete packages again?  is it the same as the "Installed (local or obsolete)" list in synaptic?
[04:23] <Daviey> orphans?
[04:23] <BHSPitMonkey> anyone else notice a blinking network-manager icon?
[04:23] <BHSPitMonkey> nm-applet rather
[04:23] <bandit12> i have some backup xorg.conf files named xorg.conf.20071016140251 would sving this a s xorg.conf work?
[04:23] <BHSPitMonkey> bandit12, if you had a working setup at that time/date, yes
[04:24] <bandit12> ok i'll try that is the cmd for that mv or is there a rename cmd
[04:24] <tech0007> bandit12....thats ur backup before u reconfigured ur x, it wouldnt hurt to try
[04:24] <BlueAidan_work> how do I troubleshoot my ipod not automounting using kubuntu?
[04:24] <humbolto> heard Xen is not too stable in gutsy?
[04:25] <humbolto> true?
[04:25] <foxiness> is the wifi radar best tool?
[04:25] <gesker> Anyone have an ETA for the sun-java6-plugin package?
[04:25] <ThunderStruck> humbolto, a few bugs with it not sure what they arre but i think we are releasing without another kernel update
[04:25] <ThunderStruck> gea long time ago
[04:26] <ThunderStruck> gesker, a long time ago
[04:26] <ThunderStruck> gesker, enable multiverse and universe and install sun-java6-plugin
[04:26] <humbolto> the tickless kernel is that especially good for the xen dom0 or domUs?
[04:26] <ThunderStruck> its in edgy feisty and gutsy
[04:27] <gesker> ThunderStruck both Universe and Multiverse are enabled and apt-get install sun-java6-plugin returns sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate
[04:27] <tolonuga> report the issue I found as #153313. if anyone has a spare machine with two blank disks, it should be easy to reproduce. no idea which package I should assign this to.
[04:27] <ThunderStruck> gesker, its there please post you /etc/apt/sources.list file to pastebin
[04:27] <kondor101> has the "flash" changed on firefox in 7.10?
[04:28] <ThunderStruck> kondor101, what do yo mean changed
[04:28] <ThunderStruck> you*
[04:28] <ThunderStruck> its flash 9.0.48 i think
[04:28] <ThunderStruck> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[04:28] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.2+really0ubuntu12 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 156 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)
[04:28] <Pici> kondor101: by default Gutsy ships with gnash, not flash iirc.
[04:29] <kondor101> thunderstruck i was trying to find out if it was still non-free or gnash
[04:29] <ThunderStruck> njeither are enabled installed by default
[04:29] <ThunderStruck> we have both
[04:29] <gesker> ThunderStruck what is the url for pastebin
[04:29] <tech0007> are u guyz using apparmor? what's it for?
[04:29] <ThunderStruck> gnash works great for most part it wont play some but better than prior versions
[04:29] <Pici> !info gnash
[04:29] <ubotu> gnash: free SWF movie player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 234 kB, installed size 828 kB
[04:30] <ThunderStruck> !pastebin | gesker
[04:30] <ubotu> gesker: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:30] <gesker> ThunderStruck http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40814/
[04:30] <bandit12> yay. i got it back thanks for your help tech007 and BHSPitMonkey
[04:31] <AlienX_> anyone know if there is a gaim theme/emoticon set for pidgin? I dread the new ones heh
[04:31] <foxiness> if i would use wifi radar will break something on my system ?
[04:31] <tech0007> bandit12...woohoo :-D
[04:31] <ThunderStruck> gesker, try changing country code (us to uk)
[04:31] <kondor101> Pici, so when I upgraded, would I have changed to gnash 9I was on non-free before.  I do not know how to tell which i am using
[04:32] <bandit12> i think i'll leave the vid drivers alone for now and see what else i can mess up (-;
[04:32] <ThunderStruck> gesker, than save close and run apt-get update than install it
[04:32] <Pici> kondor101: in firefox, you can go to the address: about:plugins  - it should tell you which you are running.
[04:32] <ThunderStruck> i am unable to test us repos atm
[04:32] <ThunderStruck> hmmmm
[04:32] <ThunderStruck> :
[04:33] <ThunderStruck> Pici, did you type about:plugins?
[04:33] <ThunderStruck> yes you did
[04:33] <ThunderStruck> frigging xchat
[04:36] <Simon80> anyone know why subpixel aliasing on gutsy would be noticeably blurrier?  I don't want to file a vague bug about it, hence my asking here
[04:37] <Simon80> subpixel font antialiasing*
[04:37] <gesker> ThunderStruck same error: Package sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate
[04:37] <ThunderStruck> did you run apt-ge update?
[04:37] <gesker> yes
[04:38] <ThunderStruck> k brb smoke and think about this
[04:38] <Pici> gesker: do you have multiverse enabled?
[04:38] <gesker> multiverse enabled
[04:38] <kondor101> application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash  <--- this is not gnash is it?
[04:38] <chapium> anyone else have update problems?
[04:38] <vilasboas_> crdlb are you there?
[04:39] <chapium> E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[04:39] <chapium> E: util-linux: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[04:39] <gesker> ThunderStruck, Pici apt-get update runs fine with no errors
[04:39] <buntu_bum> hey all
[04:39] <buntu_bum> anybody in here familiar with the nm-applet in gnome?
[04:39] <gesker> ThunderStruck, do you know the url where I could download manually and do a dpkg -i
[04:40] <kondor101> no it isn't flash, i just looked it synaptic, it isnt installed
[04:41] <drhumanist> hi there
[04:41] <buntu_bum> anybody else having problems with network manager in gnome?
[04:41] <drhumanist> i am wondering if i will have any troubkles with my nVidia 7600 chipset drivers when/if i upgrade from feisty
[04:41] <ThunderStruck> gesker, and Pici can you please apt-cache search sun-java6-plugin please or use synaptic to search, im not on ubuntu atm and i would like to see why he isnt getting it
[04:41] <ThunderStruck> i control is always helpful
[04:42] <Pici> ThunderStruck: http://pastebin.com/f23347f4d
[04:42] <drhumanist> guys? :)
[04:42] <Pici> drhumanist: you shouldnt.
[04:43] <drhumanist> and i wouldn't either? :))
[04:43] <ThunderStruck> oh crap
[04:43] <ThunderStruck> Pici, thats not good
[04:43] <ThunderStruck> nvm its |
[04:43] <tech0007> drhumanist...before u upgrade backup ur xorg.conf
[04:43] <buntu_bum> good call anyways
[04:44] <gesker> ThunderStrtuck  apt-cache search sun-java6-plugin return nothing
[04:44] <buntu_bum> sucks to redo your xorg file by hand
[04:44] <ThunderStruck> buwhy would you?
[04:44] <ThunderStruck> buntu_bum, why would you?
[04:44] <drhumanist> tech007: ok i will... but i read about many problems from ppl who had upgraded in previous transitions
[04:44] <ThunderStruck> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg creates it
[04:44] <buntu_bum> in case my tinkering destroys it in the first place
[04:44] <buntu_bum> :P
[04:45] <drhumanist> not only drivers.... but some programs too
[04:45] <ThunderStruck> buntu_bum, back up
[04:45] <drhumanist> maybe i'd better make a clean install from scratch??
[04:45] <tech0007> drhumanist...not everyone gets lucky
[04:45] <ThunderStruck> gesker, ok there is something wrong with your repos than
[04:45] <buntu_bum> i do back stuff up, learned that lesson the hard way
[04:46] <tech0007> drhumanist...do that if u recompiled some programs or made many modifications to ur feisty
[04:46] <Simon80> any font gurus in here? blurry antialiasing in gutsy anyone?
[04:46] <gesker> ThunderStruck how can i check/verify/reset my repos?
[04:46] <ThunderStruck> gesker, im looking at them very closely
[04:46] <tech0007> drhumanist...i jst did the upgrade
[04:47] <ThunderStruck> gesker, i doubt this is the issue but you should have backports commented out
[04:47] <buntu_bum> is anybody else having problems with network manager
[04:47] <ThunderStruck> gesker, they wont be used for a while
[04:47] <gesker> yes
[04:47] <ojwb> I've got the gutsy kernel to boot at last
[04:47] <drhumanist> tech007: yes... are you happy with it? any revolutionary change??? is it stable enuff??
[04:47] <gesker> I man no, let me try to comment them out
[04:47] <ojwb> FTR, if anyone else has a crash during the upgrade and can't boot the gutsy kernel, they need to uninstall evms
[04:47] <tech0007> drhumanist...for me yes
[04:48] <ThunderStruck> gesker, can you run apt-cache search ubuntu-desktop please
[04:48] <ojwb> and then (at least for me) it just boots fine
[04:48] <ThunderStruck> gesker, does it give any output
[04:48] <drhumanist> techoo7: how about compiz integration?
[04:48] <GuyFromHell> how can i uninstall the whole ubuntu-desktop meta package so i can switch to kubuntu-desktop
[04:48] <buntu_bum> compiz works pretty tight actually
[04:48] <tech0007> drhumanist...upgrade from feisty to gutsy was more pleasant than upgrading windoze to servicepack 2 :-D
[04:48] <gesker> ThunderStruck no output
[04:48] <ThunderStruck> geok good
[04:49] <buntu_bum> you need to instal xserver-xgl but then it works fine
[04:49] <ThunderStruck> than we know its your sources.list
[04:49] <buntu_bum> anything  is more pleasant than upgrading XP to SP2
[04:49] <gesker> ThunderStruck commented out backports, same issue
[04:49] <ThunderStruck> can someone post their /etc/apt/sources.list  (gesker did you ever use the gui to enable repos?
[04:49] <ThunderStruck> gesker, yes i know
[04:49] <drhumanist> techoo7: that for sure :)) but i have to keep vista in dualboot since i have specific hardware and IE dependency :(
[04:50] <gesker> ThunderStruck, no gui only vim
[04:50] <mc44> !easysource
[04:50] <ThunderStruck> gesker, you are gonna have to repo your list. someone hopefully will post one
[04:50] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:50] <buntu_bum> that sucks, went out and got myself a dellbuntu laptop for that very reason
[04:50] <tesko> what does "bus error (core dumped)" mean? specifically the bus part
[04:50] <ThunderStruck> mc44, rather not easysourcefor this
[04:50] <ThunderStruck> mc44, i need to test if someelses works for him
[04:50] <ThunderStruck> it may be the dir or something
[04:50] <buntu_bum> tesko, sounds like a program crashed
[04:51] <ThunderStruck> gesker, can you give me the path to your sources.list please
[04:51] <Simon80> buntu_bum, what? I have a Dell laptop that works ok with ubuntu
[04:51] <drhumanist> tech007: anyhow if my machine goes bonkers i will sue you!! :)
[04:51] <gesker> Any one got a valid sources.list they could post
[04:51] <buntu_bum> tesko, the bus part could refer to dbus
[04:51] <gesker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40815/
[04:52] <buntu_bum> simon, i got laptop preloaded with ubuntu, no windows
[04:52] <ThunderStruck> gesker, ha
[04:52] <tech0007> tech0007...i wash my hands clean :-D
[04:52] <ThunderStruck> gesker, please comment out hte cdrom repos
[04:52] <nosrednaekim> buntu_bum: did you get a 1420?
[04:52] <ThunderStruck> gesker, deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Beta amd64 (20070925)] / gutsy main restricted
[04:53] <ThunderStruck> that should have #
[04:53] <ojwb> nosrednaekim, a bus error is nothing to do with dbus
[04:53] <ojwb> it's something like an unaligned access which the CPU doesn't support
[04:53] <nosrednaekim> eh?
[04:53] <ojwb> erm
[04:53] <ojwb> that should have been no
[04:53] <ThunderStruck> depends on error but shouldnt be
[04:53] <ojwb> I think xchat is being too clever
[04:53] <gesker> ThunderStuck, commented out cdrom, still no joy
[04:53] <mc44> gesker: try gb.archive not uk.archive
[04:53] <ThunderStruck> gesker, pastebin sudo apt-get update
[04:54] <ThunderStruck> uk was working ~2hours ago
[04:54] <mc44> hmm, yes it's the same actually
[04:55] <gesker> ThunderStruck http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40816/
[04:55] <mc44> ThunderStruck: but sometimes proxies along the way are broken
[04:55] <ThunderStruck> gesker, maybe try sudo apt-get install not isntall
[04:55] <ThunderStruck> nvm you did :(
[04:56] <ThunderStruck> gesker, are you behind a proxie
[04:56] <ThunderStruck> proxy too
[04:56] <gesker> ThunderStruck, same problem, no proxy
[04:56] <ThunderStruck> gesker, please give me the path that your list is at
[04:57] <gesker> ThunderStruck /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:57] <ThunderStruck>  gesker if you cd into /etc/apt/ can you pastebin ls -a
[04:58] <buntu_bum> look under open-source computers on the dell page
[04:58] <buntu_bum> norednaekim, yes i did, nice lil computer too
[04:58] <gesker> ThunderStruck http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40818/
[04:59] <ThunderStruck> gecan you give me whats in sources.d
[04:59] <Simon80> I have a vostro 1400, basically same as the 1420
[04:59] <ThunderStruck> gesker, can you*
[04:59] <tesko> wow that was fun
[04:59] <mc44> gesker: try installing something else from multiverse, (eg a2mp3 is top of the list here :)
[04:59] <nosrednaekim> yeah...I wish I could afford one :)
[05:00] <tech0007> Simon80...wow Vostro
[05:00] <ThunderStruck> mc44, main isnt being hit
[05:00] <ThunderStruck> thats what is bothering me about this
[05:00] <Simon80> it was a better deal than the same inspiron :D
[05:00] <buntu_bum> school discount rules, took off $200
[05:00] <Pici> gesker: Can you get on to the internet at all on that computer?
[05:00] <ThunderStruck> Pici,  you see him?
[05:00] <mc44> ThunderStruck: Hit http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[05:00] <gesker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40820/
[05:01] <Pici> ThunderStruck: Yes, but I dont know if hes on the same computer hes ircing from
[05:01] <trdracer> hey guys im having troubles configuring my screen resolutions.
[05:01] <gesker> ThunderStruck, mc44 admp3 installs fine
[05:01] <trdracer> im stuck on 800x600
[05:01] <ThunderStruck> mc44, apt-cache search isnt showing any output when searching for ubuntu-desktop
[05:01] <trdracer> ugly and very bulky
[05:01] <nosrednaekim> trdracer: what graphics card?
[05:01] <trdracer> i need something like like 1280 x 1024
[05:01] <buntu_bum> check if your driver is set up correctly
[05:01] <trdracer> ati radeon 9200SE
[05:01] <ThunderStruck> itws not corrupted thats good
[05:02] <tech0007> Simon80...heard there were issues w/ lcd in vostro
[05:02] <ThunderStruck> gesker, install bzr please
[05:02] <trdracer> monitor hp f1903
[05:02] <buntu_bum> trdracer, you might want to try and install the binary ati graphics driver
[05:02] <Simon80> tech0007: I don't know, I upgraded to the WXGA+ and it seems ok.. it was blurry in feisty, but that was a driver issue
[05:02] <tech0007> Simon80....thats nice
[05:02] <gesker> ThunderStruck bzr installed ok
[05:03] <trdracer> buntu_bum would that be on the ati site?
[05:03] <ThunderStruck> gesker, now try sun-java6-jre
[05:03] <buntu_bum> trdracer, no, look in the repos
[05:03] <Bryan_> is there a way to use less power in ubuntu?
[05:03] <gesker> already installed
[05:03] <trdracer> mm is that in synaptic?
[05:03] <Simon80> tech0007: I think screens should be high res as a rule, but alas, it's not my laptop, it's going to my sister, I was just setting it up
[05:03] <nosrednaekim> Bryan_: did you try downloading powertop?
[05:03] <buntu_bum> bryan_ go to power manager
[05:03] <gesker> ThunderStruck , sun-java6-jre already installed
[05:03] <ThunderStruck> gesker, apt-cache policy sun-java6-plugin
[05:04] <tesko> i tried to open a link from xchat, then firefox got bus errors, then xchat got segmentation faults, then i tried sudo which gave me input/output errors, then gnome crashed!
[05:04] <nosrednaekim> trdracer: the ati driver can be enabled via the restricted-manager
[05:04] <Bryan_> buntu_bum, yes I already did that.
[05:04] <avatar_> Bryan_: apt-get install powernowd
[05:04] <Bryan_> Mmk
[05:05] <nosrednaekim> that only works if he has an AMD...
[05:05] <gesker> ThunderStruck: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table:
[05:05] <trdracer420> weird...
[05:05] <ThunderStruck> gesker, does it give a repo?
[05:05] <gesker> ThunderStruck:  nothing followed version table
[05:05] <ThunderStruck> hmmmmm
[05:05] <anolis> nautilus has died on my ubuntu 7.10 install
[05:05] <trdracer420> well nosrednaekim it says i dont need any restricted drivers..when i open that in admin
[05:05] <notv> suppose i download gusty today...will it be the same download i would theoretically download on friday?
[05:06] <ThunderStruck> can someone install sun-java6-plugin please
[05:06] <ThunderStruck> let me know if it installs
[05:06] <gesker> ThunderStruck: is there an command I can give apt-cache to see what repo its looking at?
[05:06] <nosrednaekim> trdracer420: huh.... run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:06] <ThunderStruck> geapt-cache madison sun-java6-plugin
[05:06] <tech0007> notv...nope
[05:06] <ThunderStruck> gesker, apt-cache ...
[05:06] <notv> i suppose ill wait a few more days then
[05:07] <trdracer420> nosrednaekim what after that?
[05:07] <gesker> ThunderStruck: ?
[05:07] <tech0007> notv...when i did the upgrade a few hours ago w/ using RC, it still asked if i want to download newer updates, hehe
[05:07] <ThunderStruck> they are testing todays ISO's to see if they can be final atm
[05:07] <nosrednaekim> trdracer420: it should give you a dialog where you choose things.
[05:07] <anolis> does anyone know how i can fix nautilus?
[05:07] <chandra> I'm using Gutsy. After logging in Gnome just hangs. In the syslog I could see this: gdm[10581] : WARNING: Didn't understand `' (expected true or false) . Does anyone know what this means?
[05:07] <notv> RC?
[05:07] <ThunderStruck> gesker, apt-cache madison sun-java6-plugin will give you rpeos
[05:07] <trdracer420> damn how do i go back??i missed one
[05:07] <ThunderStruck> notv, we are in final ISO freeze atm
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> trdracer420: start over :)
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> its not big deal.
[05:08] <trdracer420> that works
[05:08] <gesker> ThunderStruck: sun-java6 | 6-03-0ubuntu2 | http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Sources
[05:08] <ThunderStruck> ha
[05:08] <ThunderStruck> i think i know the issue
[05:08] <notv> thunderstruck, what is final ISO freeze, and if im interrupting let me know
[05:08] <ThunderStruck> gesker, install flashplugin-nonfree please
[05:08] <trdracer420> amount of memory used by video card?
[05:08] <buntu_bum> trdracer the driver is named something odd, flgrx
[05:08] <trdracer420> Amount of memory (kB) to be used by the video card:      ???
[05:09] <nosrednaekim> trdracer420: just leave anything you're not sure about blankor as default
[05:09] <gesker> ThunderStruck: flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[05:09] <ThunderStruck> notv, it means that nothing will be uploaded at all unless it fixes very very important bugs, like installer crash or kernel crashes or cant boot but only top issues will be fixed
[05:09] <ThunderStruck> gesker, damn
[05:10] <gesker> ThunderStruck: thank you for trying
[05:10] <ThunderStruck> gesker, install something from multiverse please
[05:10] <notv> how is gutsy coming along compared to past releases?
[05:10] <notv> it seems to be crunch time
[05:10] <gesker> ThunderStruck: what should I install?
[05:10] <Simon80> notv: I'm pissed about blurry fonts, but my wireless works
[05:10] <trdracer420>   Monitor's horizontal sync range:
[05:10] <ThunderStruck> gesker, nvm i think i got it
[05:10] <WorkingOnWise> What setting do I need to change to Keep my wobbly windows, but Not have the windows "stick" to the desktop edges, or snap to them?
[05:10] <Simon80> and it's not crunch time, it's like, done, no more changes time
[05:10] <Simon80> that's my impression, at least
[05:10] <chandra> tech007: "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep EE" doesn't return any matches
[05:10] <trdracer420>   Monitor's vertical sync range:    ?
[05:11] <ThunderStruck> gesker, if i had to guess the binaries failed to build thats why madison only showed sources repo
[05:11] <notv> fantastic
[05:11] <gesker> ThunderStruck: does that mean there is something wrong with the package?
[05:11] <Simon80> my wireless has never worked before, but now I'm connected using WPA, it's happy
[05:12] <Simon80> I mean, it's worked, but not WPA
[05:12] <Simon80> but now that works
[05:12] <ThunderStruck> gesker,  i would guess so but i will know more when im downstairs on ubuntu
[05:12] <Simon80> with rt2500
[05:12] <ThunderStruck> gesker, im working on sometrhing for a friend that ubuntu wont do
[05:13] <trdracer420> hey guys that didn't help my screen resolution options....
[05:13] <trdracer420> still the same BS
[05:13] <gesker> ThunderStruck: I've got to head into a meeting, will be back in a while
[05:13] <trdracer420> i hate ubuntu for this
[05:13] <ThunderStruck> ok
[05:13] <ThunderStruck> im gone for a bit as well
[05:14] <Hobbsee> savvas: btw - memoserv is one of the *worst* ways to try to contact me.
[05:14] <buntu_bum> anybody having problems with mutltiple netowrk moniter applets in their system tray  at login?
[05:15] <trdracer420> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2119/1588991218_95b1fb5b37_o.png <000 why
[05:16] <trdracer420> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/1588113769_d86c72b3d2_o.png
[05:16] <dystopianray> Hobbsee: is kopete still broken in gutsy?
[05:16] <trdracer420> those two links are the best resolutions i can get currently.
[05:16] <trdracer420> BS!
[05:16] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: WFM.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: WFM in feisty too, though.
[05:17] <notv> i had a terrible time trying to use feisty with the ati card on my laptop
[05:17] <XsteelWolf> Anyone using intel 4965agn ?
[05:17] <trdracer420> notv i have an ati and having lots of troubles here as well
[05:17] <BlueAidan_work> seems I have to restart hal to get my ipod recognized after plugging it in
[05:18] <trdracer420> what did you end up doing>
[05:18] <notv> deleting it and crossing my fingers for gutsy...
[05:18] <trdracer420> huh
[05:19] <notv> i worked at it for days, but 80% of the time id boot up, id have a black screen.
[05:19] <trdracer420> yeah i dont need/want that
[05:21] <trdracer420> i hate linux...i dont know how to run/save the files ive saved to my desktop
[05:21] <trdracer420> such as this 'ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run'
[05:21] <trdracer420> wtf do i do?
[05:22] <dzzsky> goto the main menu then administration then restricted drivers manager to install drivers
[05:22] <dzzsky> ati*
[05:22] <dzzsky> or look for .deb files
[05:22] <baskitcaise> trdracer420: open a term navigate to where the file is and kdesu sh ati---blah-bla
[05:22] <dzzsky> .deb = the same as windows .exe
[05:23] <dzzsky> ie click and run
[05:23] <nanonyme> eh, not really
[05:23] <trdracer420> dzzsky i dont get an option to choose it just says 'no restricted drivers needed'
[05:23] <nanonyme> dzzsky, .deb is more like .msi
[05:24] <dzzsky> I was trying to be simple as I could
[05:24] <trdracer420> ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run <000 is whats on my desktop and is what i need to install how do i do it?
[05:24] <notv> what if you make it executable?
[05:25] <trdracer420> what if i dont know how...
[05:25] <trdracer420> imma noob at this damn linux crap
[05:25] <notv> i really shouldnt give advice
[05:25] <notv> im pretty new myself
[05:25] <tesko> anyone else crash during a system update?
[05:25] <trdracer420> i dont understand anything about this.
[05:25] <ojwb> tesko: yes
[05:25] <trdracer420> i wish i did so this screen wouldnt be looking so damn ugly
[05:25] <ojwb> can't say I recommend doing so
[05:25] <TheInfinity> trdracer420: if you install beta software as a noob you should not wonder about "crap". its beta - really :.p
[05:25] <tesko> i crashed while it was installing cups
[05:26] <bdgraue> http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/16239/ any idea how to get kde4 running?
[05:26] <trdracer420> well im beta :P
[05:26] <trdracer420> so the only place i would get real help is #ubuntu then ???
[05:26] <notv> are you running gutsy?
[05:26] <trdracer420> people just seem to criticize here
[05:26] <trdracer420> yes notv
[05:27] <dystopianray> #ubuntu will not give gutsy help
[05:27] <notv> i dont think you can expect much gutsy help until it is officially released
[05:27] <dystopianray> if you're using gutsy at this stage it's assumed that you know what you are doing
[05:28] <notv> right
[05:28] <trdracer420> well i just need help fixing my resolutions....and im not getting any...this 800 x 600 looks so damn ugly and bulky
[05:28] <Seeker`> lo, why does my laptop log me off whenever i resume from suspend
[05:28] <TheInfinity> trdracer420: just use radeon driver instead of fglrx or whatever ;)
[05:28] <ojwb> tesko: you should be able to get it to continue installing the packages with: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:29] <ojwb> tesko: but you may have to fix up some stuff by hand (I had to install evms before it would boot the new kernel)
[05:29] <trdracer420> TheInfinity ive tried that already dont think i havent...i wouldnt be in here if i hadnt tried every possible way
[05:29] <dystopianray> trdracer420: does the restricted drivers manager not working for you?
[05:29] <tesko> oh no, not by hand :(
[05:29] <trdracer420> dystopianray no it doesnt work for me
[05:30] <ojwb> tesko: there may be a way to restart it, but I couldn't figure it out and nobody here seemed to know
[05:30] <preglow> is there anything right now that suggests trying to upgrade to gutsy is a bad idea?
[05:30] <TheInfinity> trdracer420: what do the logs say about it?
[05:30] <dystopianray> preglow: wait for it to be officially released
[05:30] <trdracer420> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon-prer200.html <000 i tried to install that and noooooooo doesnt work!
[05:30] <trdracer420> which logs?
[05:30] <preglow> dystopianray: don't worry, i won't come nagging if it fails, just wondering if something is currently broken
[05:30] <TheInfinity> xorg, syslog, dmesg
[05:31] <AlienX_> preglow: depends if you're capable of solving problems as they will arise
[05:31] <preglow> i am
[05:31] <MTecknology> is 7.10 still on schedule?
[05:31] <AlienX_> preglow: i think it's reasonably stable. I did two upgrades yesterday
[05:31] <baskitcaise> preglow:been running here for a couple weeks all updates and no great probs
[05:31] <preglow> cool, i'll give upgrade a go, then
[05:32] <trdracer420> oh my god can someone get me a default xorg.conf file i have like 10 in my X11 folder
[05:32] <AlienX_> preglow: it's not a seamless upgrade though, especially if you're using nvidia...just a warning
[05:32] <trdracer420> so disgusting
[05:32] <preglow> i am using nvidia :P
[05:32] <baskitcaise> preglow: I got ATI fine at home and this lappy is OK
[05:32] <ojwb> trdracer420, the contents depend on your hardware, so some else's won't just work
[05:32] <trdracer420> damn....................
[05:32] <MTecknology> preglow, I have a few issues yet, but I don't see them being fixed for release, if at all
[05:32] <gnomefreak> hmmmm it seems the package is fine. not sure why his repos arent grabbing it
[05:32] <AlienX_> preglow: you *may* have some issues with the drivers (I did on both machines one has a 7900GT and the other is a quattro laptop card)
[05:33] <trdracer420> why all this damn hassle just to get a screen resolution that should already be an option...god.
[05:33] <trdracer420> freesoftwaresucksd
[05:33] <AlienX_> someone's asking to be klined
[05:33] <ojwb> trdracer420, that's just the way to get help round here
[05:33] <dystopianray> don't use pre-release software if you don't know what you're doing
[05:34] <gabriel__> i have one problem with ubuntu 7.10 and my notebook, because when i latch the notebook and open him, the mouse disappear
[05:34] <trdracer420> ive had this problem with feisty fawn as well
[05:34] <Odd-rationale> Hello! How do you install some Unsupported and/or experimental plugins for compiz-fusion? Thanks!
[05:34] <trdracer420> so its not just this release
[05:34] <saiyr3> has anyone noticed that the application switcher in compizconfig has a bad binding for switching to the previous window?
[05:34] <tesko> here's what's broken for me http://pastebin.com/d7512bb
[05:34] <AlienX_> saiyr3: you can always change the keybindings
[05:35] <trdracer420> and i had this resolution thing fixed but then i rebooted and it went back to this pos of resolution i have now
[05:35] <saiyr3> I had trouble setting it within compizconfig so I changed it in gconf-editor
[05:35] <AlienX_> trdracer420: just edit your xorg.conf file and fix your resolution....
[05:35] <saiyr3> but in the meantime I noticed that prev_key was set correctly to alt-shift-tab, but prev_button is the actual used entry
[05:35] <trdracer420> AlienX_ ive tried and tried that.
[05:35] <trdracer420> and i dont know how to configure that thing properly.
[05:36] <AlienX_> trdracer420: dpkg-reconfigure --xserver-xorg
[05:36] <trdracer420> scguy318 usually helps out a lot but hes not around
[05:36] <trdracer420> ehh i think i just tried that...and nothing comes up for me
[05:36] <AlienX_> trdracer420: did you run that in a terminal?
[05:36] <AlienX_> you can't be in X
[05:36] <trdracer420> dpkg-reconfigure --xserver-xorg <00
[05:37] <trdracer420> i ran something else..im not sure what it was
[05:37] <trdracer420> i was told it earlier by someone in here
[05:37] <trdracer420> dpkg-reconfigure --default-priority  <000 is what i need
[05:37] <ojwb> you don't want the "--"
[05:38] <trdracer420> ok
[05:38] <AlienX_> trdracer420: hit ctrl + alt + F1, login, type in sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop then type sudo dpkg-reconfigure --xserver-xorg
[05:38] <trdracer420> adjusted
[05:38] <darkangel_> is the beta safe to install the website says so
[05:38] <AlienX_> darkangel_: depends on your user level
[05:38] <ojwb> and you want the RC at this point, not the beta
[05:38] <trdracer420> AlienX_ huh??
[05:39] <trdracer420> i will not remember the sudo blah
[05:39] <AlienX_> trdracer420: do you own a pen?
[05:39] <darkangel_> ive become pretty good with ubuntu
[05:39] <trdracer420> yeah...
[05:39] <notv> copy/paste works nicely too
[05:39] <AlienX_> trdracer420: i suggest you use it
[05:39] <ojwb> AlienX_, It's not "--xserver-xorg" surely?
[05:39] <darkangel_> i just cant get the it to install i follow the website instructions but nothing
[05:39] <ojwb> AlienX_, just "xserver-xorg"
[05:39] <AlienX_> ojwb: dpkg-reconfigure --xserver-xorg
[05:40] <AlienX_> ok, then xserver-xorg :oP
[05:40] <trdracer420> ok done..well that --blah blah gives me opetions
[05:40] <trdracer420> oh
[05:40] <trdracer420> AlienX_ what will sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop get me?
[05:41] <AlienX_> trdracer420: it'll stop your display manager
[05:41] <AlienX_> and also, per ojwb the command is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:41] <darkangel_> alienX_ i keep getting this error
[05:41] <trdracer420> AlienX_ why do i want it to stop?
[05:41] <darkangel_> warning: could not initiate dbus
[05:41] <darkangel_> current dist not found in meta-release file
[05:41] <AlienX_> darkangel_: what error
[05:42] <ojwb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/RC says that nvidia now supports xrandr, but not at the same time as xinerama, which I've been using for ages to gets 2 screens (on the same card) as a single desktop
[05:42] <ojwb> if I stop using xinerama, can I still get a single desktop?
[05:42] <aaro1> I've had no success using the multiple monitor management tool with Gutsy on different cards from different vendors. Anyone out there have success using it?
[05:42] <AlienX_> darkangel_: read the doc on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[05:42] <darkangel_> alienX_ lol that where im at
[05:43] <AlienX_> darkangel_: there's a whole section in there saying what to do if you get that message...
[05:43] <darkangel_> i tried sudo nano /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release
[05:43] <darkangel_> but theres nothing there before i put all the info and after i put the info same error
[05:44] <RivaeAerya> is it safe to install KDE4 on a computer that NEEDS to be functional all the time and has Kubuntu Gutsy? and how can i remove it after i install it? is there any other way to try it out?
[05:44] <AlienX_> darkangel_: you did a copy/paste and the formatting looks the same?
[05:44] <darkangel_> yes
[05:44] <gnomefreak> Flats: try using our repo instead of that one
[05:45] <darkangel_> alienX is there another file i can try
[05:45] <gnomefreak> we have wine in repos
[05:45] <AlienX_> darkangel_: i'm really not sure to be honest.
[05:45] <gnomefreak> Flats: hint the repo is a feisty repo so it wont upgrade it
[05:45] <aaro1> I just installed wine. It was 0.9.46 instead of the current 0.9.47 release. Not sure there's a great deal of improvements in the .47 release
[05:45] <Flats> Not sure what that means, I'm just doing an update-manager -c -d
[05:45] <Flats> what should I do different?
[05:45] <darkangel_> alienX what command do i do to make sure im curently updated (all updates for 7.04)
[05:46] <gnomefreak> Flats: its an unifficial repo so it wont use it
[05:46] <tesko> ojwb, whatever you told me to do with dpkg worked, i got fully updated
[05:46] <gnomefreak> Flats: comment it out or use thier gutsy one if there is one. i would comment it out and try to upgrade than
[05:46] <ojwb> tesko, glad to hear it
[05:46] <AlienX_> darkangel_: apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade
[05:47] <AlienX_> darkangel_: if it doesn't tell you anything, you're good.
[05:47] <AlienX_> brb
[05:48] <aaro1> I'm getting ready to test installing Office 2003 Professional with wine on Gutsy. Just for giggles.
[05:48] <haffi> Hi, I just installed Kubuntu Gutsy rc-1, is there any way to enable compiz-fusion from a GUI? I have installed the nVidia drivers needed.
[05:49] <AlienX_> aaro1: it won't work...you'll need something like crossover office
[05:49] <cypherdelic> Thanks to Developers of Asterisk, Cedega, Compiz-Fusion, FreePBX, Gentoo, Trixbox, Ubuntu, VirtualBox and all the great stuff i've not mentioned. You really make my day. :)
[05:50] <aaro1> Crossover uses regular wine underneath AFAIK. Why should it work there but not here?
[05:51] <AlienX_> aaro1: it's a very tweaked version of wine...give it a shot but i doubt you'll get it to work :)
[05:51] <gunashekar> wine is just an ingredient in the crossover cocktail!
[05:52] <aaro1> AlienX: The install seems to be running fine. But that isn't surprising. The proof will be when I launch it. We'll see shortly
[05:52] <AlienX_> :)
[05:53] <cypherdelic> and VDR and WINE ;)
[05:53] <aaro1> Looks like installation finished. No shortcut in the Wine menu.
[05:54] <trdracer> well im back on feisty fawn and 1280 x 1024 does work.
[05:54] <trdracer> well whenever the this bs here gets fixed i iwll go to it.
[05:56] <aaro1> "Microsoft Office Word has not been installed for the current user. Please run setup to install the application."
[05:56] <ISS_Student> Can anybody tell me which file I can check and how to modify it so I get my boot splash screen back
[05:57] <AlienX_> ISS_Student: gdmsetup iirc
[05:57] <niwt> I got rid of my bootsplash by editing grub/menu.lst
[05:57] <niwt> unfortunately, I still can't see the boot messages
[05:58] <AlienX_> niwt: you just removed 'splash' from the lines in grub right?
[05:58] <ISS_Student> I want mine back I hate looking at a black screen
[05:58] <niwt> I also removed "quiet"
[05:58] <darkangel_> ugh i hate this damn thing \
[05:58] <greg-g> I just noticed that I have libntfs-3g5 and 3g12 installed on this machine (installed at the Beta).  Is there a reason for the two, or should I remove 3g5 ?
[05:58] <AlienX_> ISS_Student: oh, i thought you meant gdm....just type "splash" in the menu.list in all the perams
[05:59] <AlienX_> s/menu.list/menu.lst
[05:59] <niwt> AlienX: I changed it to #defoptions=vga=791
[05:59] <aaro1> Hmmm. I wonder if winetools is a package
[05:59] <warbisshop> MY compiz settings manager doesnt pop up anymore
[05:59] <aaro1> !info winetools
[06:00] <ubotu> Package winetools does not exist in gutsy
[06:00] <warbisshop> anyone have an idea what might cause this
[06:00] <aaro1> Great. That's needed it looks like in order to get it working
[06:00] <AlienX_> warbisshop: what does it say when you try to run ccsm in a terminal?
[06:00] <AlienX_> aaro1: apt-cache search wine :)
[06:01] <warbisshop> AttributeError: 'compizconfig.Plugin' object has no attribute 'Initialized
[06:01] <AlienX_> warbisshop: did you upgrade from feisty?
[06:01] <warbisshop> no
[06:01] <warbisshop> its a clean install
[06:01] <aaro1> AlienX: Thanks. I knew there had to be such a tool. Still no dice on the winetools
[06:01] <warbisshop> how i installed kiba doc aswell
[06:01] <warbisshop> however*
[06:02] <AlienX_> warbisshop: make sure you have these packages installed http://pastebin.ca/738728
[06:02] <cypherdelic> BillyG@BilliesHomeframe$ sudo killall linux && sudo modprobe vista && ./vista-take-over-world
[06:03] <cypherdelic> segmentation fault
[06:03] <bardyr> heh
[06:06] <warbisshop> how do i make that shure :s
[06:07] <kevsthabest> hey guys. i cant seem to get compiz working in gusty. nvidia drivers installed but i keep getting white screen.
[06:07] <kevsthabest> any suggestions?
[06:09] <ojwb> I have the composite extension enabled, but trying to enable desktop effects just spins the cursor for a bit and pops up a dailog "Desktop effects could not be enabled"
[06:09] <ojwb> with no further information
[06:09] <MTecknology> What's the development summit and canonical allhands?
[06:09] <cypherdelic> DonBush@Whiteframe$ sudo falseflag --target $HOME --match 911 && sudo mount /dev/africom && sudo killall iran && dd if=/dev/america of=/dev/world && sudo killall rebels
[06:10] <greg-g> Any clues on the libntfs-3g5 and 3g12 both being installed?  3g5 is no longer in the repos (according to synaptic) so I assume I can remove it?
[06:10] <General_L> Anyone upgraded to 7.10 and uses an mobilephone (in this case sony ericsson k800i) as usb 3g modem with cabel? it worked fine in 7.04 but now it failes
[06:10] <cypherdelic> segmentation fault
[06:10] <mon^rch> openoffice.org just broke on me:/
[06:11] <evilbelgian> what better ubuntu or pure debian
[06:11] <ojwb> both are better
[06:12] <aaro1> That's a coke vs pepsi kind of question
[06:12] <kevsthabest> its all a matter of preference
[06:12] <ojwb> and this isn't the place to get an unbiased answer either
[06:13] <kevsthabest> the biggest difference is ubuntu is more bleeding edge then debian
[06:13] <kevsthabest> from what i recall anyways
[06:13] <ojwb> unless you're happy to run testing/unstable, which can be a bit too bleeding for some
[06:13] <haffi> debian unstable is very bleeding edge
[06:13] <evilbelgian> bleeding edge ??? ( this is the internet there is no such thing as unbiased here )
[06:13] <niwt> yeah, debian is always behind the times with versions
[06:13] <MTecknology> What's the Development Summit and the Canonical AllHands?
[06:14] <MTecknology> I'm just curious if that changes the actual release CD or not
[06:14] <ojwb> if you're running a desktop machine and want reasonably up-to-date stuff without much risk of random breakage, Ubuntu probably has the edge
[06:14] <ojwb> MTecknology, no
[06:14] <kevsthabest> MTecknology: its when the dev all meet to plan out the next release i believe
[06:14] <ojwb> they're meetings
[06:14] <MTecknology> ok
[06:15] <kevsthabest> unless a really bad bug shows up that breaks everything.. gusty is still comming out on the 18(i think thats the date.. not really paying attention to the actual release date(
[06:16] <evilbelgian> 18 is correct
[06:16] <evilbelgian> i checked the site earlier
[06:17] <niwt> on the ubuntuforums, posts regarding install problems are appearing about every five minutes - is that a normal rate?
[06:18] <mon^rch> and my kde/gnome fonts are out of sync :/
[06:18] <nosrednaekim> niwt: 0.o
[06:18] <nosrednaekim> are they all similar
[06:19] <Flats> I still cant seem to get past those two last links it's looking for when trying to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10
[06:19] <aaro1> Ubuntu has its own visual experience along with (as I understand it) different default packages and tools. That along with the rapidly growing community greatly sets it apart from Debian. If the visuals in Ubuntu, the package defaults and the community appeal to you over Debian, then I guess Ubuntu is right for you.
[06:21] <clusty> weird....
[06:21] <kevsthabest> okay anyone here handy with compiz and nvidia could gimme a hand?
[06:21] <bardyr> plus ubuntu has a less restrictive policy to restricted drivers
[06:21] <clusty> amsn is complaining that its not translated in my language: ENGLISH...
[06:21] <bardyr> kevsthabest, just ask the question
[06:21] <Flats> Is there a way to stop the upgrade from trying to connect to a site?  Failed to fetch http://ntfs-3g.sitesweetsite.info/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[06:21] <Flats> Failed to fetch http://ntfs-3g.sitesweetsite.info/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main-all/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[06:21] <clusty> bardyr: read my mind :D
[06:21] <kevsthabest> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Warn: pixmap 0x2a001b5 can't be bound to texture < everytime i try loading compiz
[06:21] <bjb1959> what is the easiest way to downgrade my nvidia drive to 100.14.09 to stop the random freeze issue caused by the new drivers
[06:22] <aaro1> bardyr: I mentally included that fact in the "default packages and tools" part
[06:22] <WorkingOnWise> kevstha00
[06:22] <aaro1> although technically they aren't default
[06:22] <aaro1> they are just available by default