[12:50] <nikkia> ah!
[12:50] <nikkia> it does exist
[12:50] <nikkia> they just got the - and _ mixed up in the docs
[12:53] <nikkia> and i wish they'd use a proper scheme, rather than that train wreck called SIOD
[12:53] <nikkia> guile would be a good candidate
[12:59] <chx> hi
[01:00] <chx> I'd like to NAT , just guidedog works OK. if I run guarddog, it dies
[01:00] <chx> what should I enable in guarddog?
[01:04] <nikkia> oh, and afternoon uniq
[01:25] <uniq> hi nikkia, i'm working on getting an office close to my parents house. I need internet badly. dialup at my parents house doesn't cover my needs.
[01:27] <nikkia> heh, dialup is terrible after decent broadband :/
[01:27] <uniq> sure is.
[01:27] <nikkia> for that matter, its terrible after 'pretty lousy' broadband too
[01:27] <uniq> i've gotten a office with a decent connection now. just got the keys.
[01:29] <nikkia> argh!
[01:29] <dutch> mn
[01:29] <nikkia> hobbled by my own preemptive thinking
[01:29] <dutch> ++++
[01:30] <nikkia> 'i know, lets just copy visible layers, so i can control which layers get copied across between images', 'hmm, where's the 40c and 20c images? DOH!'
[01:30] <nikkia> (i find it annoying that gimp doesn't have a 'merge this images layers into another image' function to start with...)
[01:38] <snowman> mart: But I have to import my keys. I can not generate me new ones. Otherwise I had send all my contacts a new key
[01:44] <paines> hi
[01:55] <moshe> hello
[01:56] <moshe> anybody know where to get a working transcode package?
[01:56] <uniq> isn't it in backports?
[01:57] <moshe> apparently not
[01:57] <paines> moshe, http://debian.video.free.fr/ for sid and sarge
[01:57] <paines> should work for ubuntu too
[01:58] <moshe> I should use the sid packages?
[01:58] <paines> yes
[02:01] <moshe> i just added to sources.list the following:
[02:01] <moshe> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main
[02:01] <moshe> apt-get update and apt-get install transcode, and....
[02:01] <moshe> it fails miserably on dependencies
[02:03] <moshe> which brings me back to square one
[02:03] <paines> bad
[02:03] <paines> didn't excpect that
[02:04] <moshe> lack of transcode is my own complaint in the week and a half of running (k)ubuntu
[02:04] <paines> what do you mean by half of running ?
[02:05] <moshe> week and a half
[02:05] <moshe> I installed kubuntu a week and a half ago
[02:05] <paines> ah
[02:05] <paines> play
[02:05] <paines> okay
[02:05] <paines> haha
[02:05] <paines> mee too
[02:06] <paines> bought and amd64 machine on thursday and installed kubunut 64
[02:06] <moshe> now, if I could just rip dvd's like I used to, I'd be set to go.
[02:06] <paines> very impressed
[02:07] <paines> moshe, i see. well i just use if for a few days, but i am pretty sure that such an important package like transcode must exist for (ku)ubunut
[02:07] <paines> somewhere
[02:08] <moshe> well, apparently a bug was filed about this a while back but nothing has been done as of yet, apparently because it's a pita to compile.
[02:09] <paines> I see. well this morning I thought lets compile wine for amd64 which isn't possible right now.
[02:09] <paines> seems like we all have to be more patiend
[02:12] <moshe> ok
[02:19] <xunil_> i need some help... getting this error: kxdocker: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:19] <xunil_> but i have installed libpng3
[02:23] <xunil_> i need some help... getting this error: kxdocker: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:25] <paines> xunil_, ldd `which kxdocker`
[02:25] <xunil_> 0.35
[02:25] <paines> gives you a  list of the libs which are linked against kxdocker
[02:25] <xunil_> and i installed libpng3
[02:26] <xunil_> any ideas?
[02:27] <basse> hi. are there some important repositories I have to add to kubuntu?
[02:27] <basse> default setup doesnt seem to find scons, for example.
[02:27] <paines> xunil_, ldd `which kxdocker`
[02:27] <paines> execute that command
[02:28] <xunil_> okey done
[02:28] <paines> now copy paste to paste.ubunulinux.nl
[02:28] <paines> now copy paste to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:30] <xunil_> done
[02:30] <paines> line 23 libpng.so.3 => not found
[02:30] <paines> now do dpkg -L libpng3 and copy paste again please
[02:32] <xunil_> Package `libpng3' is not installed.
[02:32] <xunil_> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[02:32] <xunil_> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[02:32] <xunil_> hmm...
[02:33] <paines> looks like it isn't installed
[02:35] <platoali> http://ubuntuguide.org/ if you are looking for some repository goo there
[02:38] <basse> how do I add universe to my repositories?
[02:38] <basse> so docusite is not working
[02:38] <nikkia> hmmm, these annoying sshd hits i'm getting must be coming from corporate zombie PCs
[02:38] <nikkia> had nothing over the weekend, now i have 3 of them hitting my IP
[02:39] <xunil_> aptitude install libpng3 cant find any package named libpng3 but libpng3-dev and that i have installed
[02:40] <Poromies> basse, you need to eiher use synaptic -> settings -> repositories or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list with your favorite editor
[02:40] <xunil_> where do i find libpng3??
[02:40] <paines> xunil_, apt-get install libpng3
[02:40] <xunil_> Package `libpng3' is not installed.
[02:40] <xunil_> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[02:40] <xunil_> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[02:40] <nikkia> libpng3 is in multiverse
[02:41] <Poromies> anyone have any idea when proper settings menu is implemented in Kynaptic? It lags lightyears behind the usability of Synaptic :|
[02:41] <buz> forget kynaptic for now
[02:41] <buz> its mostly useless
[02:41] <buz> even kpackage is orders of magnitude better
[02:42] <Poromies> yea
[02:43] <xunil_> paines any other way to gett it?
[02:43] <paines> xunil_, install from source
[02:43] <paines> but
[02:43] <xunil_> from where?
[02:43] <paines> libpng must be in ubuntu
[02:45] <xunil_> ?
[02:45] <twidget> Good morning
[02:45] <Poromies> hi twidget _o/
[02:45] <Poromies> you made any progres with setting the sources?
[02:45] <twidget> and Happy Independence Day for those of us in the United States of America
[02:46] <twidget> Poromies: all done
[02:46] <xunil_> can you install debian packages?
[02:46] <twidget> Current problem: no audio disc sound
[02:46] <Poromies> xunil_: yes
[02:47] <xunil_> good :D
[02:48] <twidget> Poromies: I can hear sound when I test it, but not from an audio CD.
[02:51] <paines> twidget, make sure your soundcard have an audio cable connected to the cdrom drive and that the mixer settings are correct
[02:54] <twidget> paines: I have an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard with an nVida chipset. It is plugged into the stereo out (light green) jack and was working properly when this machine had Winx64 installed. Also, from the Control Center, the sound tests fine.
[02:55] <twidget> From the mixer, under the Input tab, the fader under the CD has a green LED and is mid-way
[02:57] <paines> twidget, i see. so thoretically it should work
[02:57] <twidget> Hmmm... I was hoping you'd think of something else to check. ;)
[02:57] <paines> twidget, i have the asus k8n e deluxe mainboard, it has too soundcard onboard, and I had also smoe issues.
[02:57] <paines> but i get tired of it and plugged in my old soundblasetr live 512 value
[02:58] <twidget> aha!
[02:58] <paines> one of the best soundcard's for linux
[02:58] <twidget> are there drivers, per se?
[02:59] <paines>  twidget, sorry, what do you mean ?
[03:00] <twidget> Well, Windows has you install drivers for resources such as sound cards, etc. Does Linux have anything like that?
[03:01] <paines> in general not
[03:01] <twidget> IC
[03:01] <paines> but ubunutu comes with a hardware detection and loads the drivers for you
[03:01] <paines> so
[03:01] <paines> if you can fire up kmix
[03:01] <twidget> I wonder if the folks at Asus might have an idea
[03:01] <twidget> kmix up
[03:01] <paines> and change some mixer settings, you can be sure that sound is working properly by hardware
[03:03] <paines> twidget, is your soundcrad connected to the cdrom ?
[03:03] <paines> with an audio cable
[03:04] <twidget> Creative speakers with a 90 degree light green plug plugged into the light green sound jack on the motherboard
[03:05] <twidget> I'll try the other jacks'
[03:06] <uniq> it's not the jacks he is asking about. it's inside the box.
[03:06] <xunil_> have the source for libpng now...
[03:06] <twidget> nothing
[03:06] <paines> uniq, :-)
[03:06] <xunil_> dont know how to compile this one..
[03:06] <twidget> oh
[03:06] <twidget> then, yes
[03:07] <twidget> because it works in Windows XP x64
[03:07] <paines> twidget, well I am pretty sure win32 can do this digitally without the analog cable I am talking about.
[03:08] <twidget> Hmmm
[03:08] <nomeansyes> hi
[03:08] <nomeansyes> y have a problem but my english is not good
[03:08] <nomeansyes> :S
[03:08] <nomeansyes> i cant change properties about samba sharing files
[03:09] <nomeansyes> with kcontrol
[03:09] <nomeansyes> or sudo kcmshell fileshare
[03:09] <nomeansyes> all options are disabled
[03:09] <nomeansyes> someone with an idea?
[03:12] <nikkia> nomeansyes: give kdesu kcontrol a try
[03:12] <nomeansyes> nikkia: thx ill try now
[03:13] <nomeansyes> nikkia: all options disabled
[03:13] <nikkia> can't test it here, as i don't have samba installed anyway
[03:13] <nomeansyes> the same as using sudo
[03:14] <nomeansyes> the way is good
[03:14] <nomeansyes> but i think kcontrol us outo f order
[03:14] <nomeansyes> :\
[03:16] <nomeansyes> and i dont know another way to share files in Xwindows
[03:16] <nikkia> i just installed samba, started it, and the options enabled
[03:16] <nikkia> are you sure you have samba installed and running ?
[03:16] <nomeansyes> i think so
[03:16] <nikkia> try sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:16] <twidget> bbl
[03:16] <nomeansyes> i can see another hosts i the net
[03:17] <nikkia> nomeansyes: no, that's a function of the samba *client*
[03:17] <nikkia> kubuntu doesn't install the samba server by default, from what i can see
[03:17] <nomeansyes> nikkia: sure :D
[03:17] <nomeansyes> ok ok ok XD
[03:17] <nomeansyes> which is the package of samba server ???
[03:17] <nikkia> 'samba' :P
[03:17] <nomeansyes> xDD
[03:18] <nomeansyes> thx nikkia !
[03:33] <GTLO_AJA> u2
[03:37] <snowman> mart: Do you remember me
[03:37] <no_gatez_fan> good morning
[03:37] <snowman> mart: I am the guy problem with kopete
[03:37] <snowman> mart: I have discoverd what was the problem
[03:38] <snowman> mart: Are you interested in knowing it
[03:38] <snowman> mart:?
[03:40] <xunil_> are there any fast keyboards commands for getting shell up?
[03:43] <paines> bind a shortcut to konsole
[03:43] <markc> Qt: Locales not supported on X server <- any ideas how to fix this ?
[03:49] <xunil_> iam trying to fix this problem :"kxdocker: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" are libpng.so same as libpng.so.3?
[03:57] <bccs> every windows i open in KDE
[03:58] <bccs> it gets positioned on the top-left corner
[03:58] <bccs> how can i change that?
[03:59] <snowman> Hi, I have a question: I want to switch to Linux. What can you recommend Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[03:59] <buz> you are aware that you're in the kubuntu channel?
[03:59] <snowman> yes
[03:59] <bccs> it depends if you prefer gnome or KDE
[03:59] <buz> so the question is pretty moot ;)
[04:00] <bccs> snowman: Install ubuntu, than use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop
[04:00] <bccs> soh you can test both GNOME e KDE, and see which one you like most
[04:00] <bccs> i prefer KDE really
[04:00] <bccs> :)
[04:01] <Poromies> snowman: those are basicly same distributions, only difference is the WindowManager.. KDE or Gnome
[04:01] <Poromies> KDE is faster, better looking, more feature-rich and it has wider user base </end advertisment>
[04:03] <snowman> i am asking, because my first choice was ubuntu but someone told me that kde would be not fully developed
[04:04] <snowman> so I am asking so that you can convince me that KDE is the better choice
[04:04] <Poromies> eh, realy, you can install ubuntu and then do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" to install KDE and then try them both out
[04:04] <nikkia> gnome and KDE are just about as old as each other, so i'd say they're about equally developed
[04:04] <bccs> if you dont have any experience wich gnome neither kde, try both
[04:05] <nikkia> the only real difference that *might* matter is that gnome is more friendly for commercial developers, so you see stuff like vmware being gtk/gnome style apps rather than Qt/KDE
[04:06] <snowman> But maybe you can tell me ex ante what desktop features more performance
[04:06] <nikkia> snowman: most people say gnome, but personally, i don't think there's much in it between them, if you want high performance, or are on a slow machine, neither is ideal
[04:06] <bccs> there're some things in KDE that i dont understand yet
[04:07] <bccs> like, why it user 300mb of my RAM, after boot
[04:07] <Poromies> KDE has more eyecandy options, i think
[04:07] <nikkia> bccs, that's most likely either you misreading the memory usage, or image caching
[04:08] <nikkia> gnome caches images too, it just hides it all away in imlib where its not quite so noticable :)
[04:08] <nikkia> i've seen gnome squirrel away 300MB in imlib before
[04:08] <bccs> hum...
[04:08] <bccs> ok
[04:09] <nikkia> the basic problem is that X really isn't designed for eye candy UI
[04:09] <snowman> is there a good dictonary out there for kubuntu
[04:10] <snowman> Not the standard dictionary where you can look up english words and get english explanation
[04:10] <snowman> I mean you enter english and get language xyz
[04:10] <nikkia> snowman: what you want is translation software, not a dictionary per se
[04:11] <snowman> nikkia: Ok, yes you are right
[04:11] <nikkia> there is one in kdeedu, but i haven't used it in ages
[04:11] <snowman> ok, thanks
[04:11] <snowman> Another question:
[04:11] <snowman> What is the advantage in kubuntu that you have no root user
[04:12] <nikkia> beats me :)
[04:12] <snowman> It seems very strange for me in first view?
[04:12] <nikkia> snowman: i think the basic idea is that it reduces the risk of someone doing damage without realising
[04:13] <nikkia> ie, you're less likely to login/start-X as root, you're less likely to leave a shell open as root, etc
[04:15] <nikkia> snowman: i suspect apple started the idea, since OS X doesn't have a root account enabled by default either, and relies upon sudo
[04:55] <wincide> hi again. i need a good sources for kubuntu ... now i cant install webmin ... cant resolve dependences about openssl
[05:08] <malte> hm. i've been experiencing random crashes with several kde applications recently, and i was thinking it might be some underlying library or somesuch that causes this. konqueror crashes quite frequently, as does kaffeine - and now recently i tried rosegarden4 which has crashed 4 times in only 20 min
[05:08] <malte> it's really annoying, but most of the time i can't reproduce the crashes
[05:09] <malte> so, anyone has a clue? :/
[05:10] <malte> i'm using (k)ubuntu hoary
[05:23] <twidget> Hmmm, my desktop and other parts of my screen seem to go all weird now
[05:30] <dooglio> gruntings
[05:32] <twidget> Kubuntu seems to be dying
[05:32] <twidget> distorted graphics all over my screen
[05:34] <qos> so, does anyone know how to read icq away messages with kopete?
[05:39] <qos> so, does anyone know how to read icq away messages with kopete
[05:43] <penguinboy> Happy 4th to all you nerds and geeks!
[05:56] <penguinboy> Happy 4th to all you nerds and geeks!
[06:04] <twidget> how do I run sndconfig from the command line?
[06:06] <twidget> Any idea why my screen does this after some time passes? http://www.flickr.com/photos/twidget/23520828/
[06:07] <twidget> This is my video card: http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/en6600/overview.htm
[06:09] <nikkia> twidget, it happens to everyone at some point :/
[06:10] <nikkia> usually, its only when you switch between console and X 'at an unlucky time'
[06:10] <twidget> nikkia: but does it continue happening?
[06:11] <twidget> rebooting...
[06:14] <nikkia> twidget, basically, X and the console doesn't seem to properly save-state between context switches, and so what seems to happen is you switch between them, and the card's registers get boffed, but since X and the console just continue blissfully unaware of any change/failure, they don't correct for the situation, sometimes remote logging in and restarting X will fix it..
[06:15] <nikkia> and it isn't something unique to nvidia cards/chipsets, i've seen the same sort of thing from S3, ATI and nVidia chips
[06:16] <GameCat> hi
[06:16] <nikkia> twidget, the nvidia cards do have one failing that seems to trigger that situation more than any other manufacturer though
[06:17] <nikkia> that being that the VESA stuff is *highly* destructive of the X state, basically, if you touch vesa while running X, you WILL end up with a screen of garbage sooner or later
[06:17] <twidget> nikkia: any idea why my CDs won't play?
[06:17] <nikkia> twidget, no idea
[06:17] <twidget> I'm just about fed up with this
[06:17] <GameCat> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  This HTTP server has broken range support [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:17] <GameCat> any ideas how to fix that error?
[06:18] <GameCat> I don't think it's the server - same sources fil is fine on my laptop
[06:19] <nikkia> GameCat: try apt-get clean   perhaps ?
[06:19] <GameCat> nikkia: I will, thanks...
[06:19] <nikkia> its probably a corrupt local copy of the packages list
[06:19] <GameCat> clean didn't help - same error
[06:20] <GameCat> can i delete the local copies manually maybe?
[06:20] <nikkia> dunno
[06:20] <GameCat> here goes :)
[06:23] <GameCat> hmm, same error, local caches recreated
[06:25] <bccs> How can i set KDE to open all windows centered?
[06:27] <GameCat> control centre > desktop > window behaviour > moving tab > placement:centered
[06:27] <GameCat> sort3d :)
[06:28] <bccs> How the "Smart" option works? because most of the Windows opens in the top-left corner
[06:28] <markc> Qt: Locales not supported on X server <- any ideas how to fix this ?
[06:28] <hon> GameCat: is there any way to set the placement of minicli?
[06:28] <GameCat> smart will aim for using any free desktop space - if desktop is empty, it'll start top left
[06:29] <GameCat> hon: dunno what minicli is sorry
[06:29] <hon> ALT+F2 menu
[06:29] <bccs> GameCat: tks a lot
[06:29] <GameCat> hon: ah so thats what that's called - no idea on that, it's not a window, it's a dialog
[06:29] <GameCat> bccs: no probs, glad to help
[06:30] <hon> thanks anyway :)
[06:31] <froud> chaps I have tried upgrading my hoary to breezy about 5 times now. each time I endup with no xserver and no kde. any clues as to what I am doing wrong
[06:31] <GameCat> froud: not here, sorry
[06:32] <froud> has anyone managed a dist-upgrade of kubuntu fom hoary to breezy?
[06:32] <yasser> hello???
[06:33] <yasser> how do i get on net???
[06:33] <GameCat> yasser: you are :)
[06:33] <yasser> thanks
[06:33] <Poromies> :D
[06:33] <GameCat> yasser: you're welcome - that was easy :)
[06:33] <yasser> can some1 tell me how i can configure adsl in kubuntuPLZ
[06:34] <froud> yasser: what type of dsl connection r u using
[06:35] <froud> pppoe
[06:35] <yasser> YES ethernet adsl
[06:35] <froud> your dsl connected directly to your ethernet card
[06:35] <froud> you need to install and config the pppoe
[06:35] <yasser> how do i disconnect & connect manually??
[06:36] <froud> why do you want to connect/disconnect
[06:36] <froud> just stay connected
[06:36] <shogo> pon poff
[06:36] <yasser> no theres a download/upload limit
[06:36] <froud> dsl is an always on technology :-)
[06:36] <froud> how much 3 GB
[06:36] <yasser> 1 GB:(
[06:36] <GameCat> wow - thats not a lot
[06:36] <froud> ouch where are you
[06:37] <yasser> india!!
[06:37] <froud> ok so use pon and poff
[06:37] <yasser> in terminal??
[06:37] <froud> yes that is the terminal
[06:37] <yasser> ok how do i go online in the first place??
[06:37] <froud> not sure if there is a gui app for it
[06:38] <yasser> in terminal??
[06:38] <froud> when you do pon does it connect?
[06:38] <froud> do pon then ping www.google.com
[06:39] <othernoob> froud, shouldn't he configure his connection first ;)
[06:39] <froud> yasser: I am assuming you have config the connection
[06:39] <othernoob> via pppoeconf...
[06:39] <othernoob> froud, considering his first question I somehow doubt it
[06:39] <froud> yasser: if not do as othernoob say
[06:39] <yasser> look i had no idea heres what i did.....when i was using mepis..it had this adsl/ppoe config app...when i clicked on it launched into a terminal with the command sudo /usr/sbin/pppoeconf i typed this now and its working
[06:40] <yasser> am i right??
[06:40] <yasser> YES???
[06:40] <froud> :-)
[06:40] <GameCat> yes
[06:40] <shogo> no stress
[06:40] <froud> use pppoeconf to configure the connection details
[06:41] <yasser> yes i have configured the connection....i was SO SURPRISED that i did not ave to give any info except uerid & password
[06:41] <yasser> wow!!!
[06:41] <GameCat> yasser: if pppoeconf doesn't run you may need to install it - apt-get install pppoeconf
[06:41] <othernoob> btw, pppoeconf also tells you how to connect/disconnect manually..
[06:41] <yasser> and in XP i had to install some stupid software
[06:41] <bccs> Why ubuntu comes with glib-1.2 and glib-2.0?
[06:41] <yasser> LINUX ROCKS!!
[06:42] <shogo> and caps suck
[06:42] <yasser> sorry:)
[06:43] <yasser> i have configured my connection using commands....just wanted to know if theres a nice gui way
[06:43] <bccs> Has anyone here installed mono in kubuntu?
[06:43] <yasser> i get an error with synaptic often...it asks me for the ubuntu hoary cd??
[06:44] <GameCat> yasser: that will depend on wether the file you asked for is on the CD or not I assume
[06:44] <yasser> ok when i type poff i get this /usr/bin/poff: /bin/kill failed.  None stopped.
[06:45] <othernoob> yasser: then you're trying to install something that is on the cd. open your sources.list and place a # in front of the deb cdrom.. line
[06:45] <othernoob> if it bothers you, of course..
[06:47] <eolo> hi guys ihave an nvidia geforce fx go 5700 on my laptop and i would like to install her drivers in my kubuntu, someone feels like guiding me in the process?
[06:48] <_yasser> anyone from india???
[06:48] <_yasser> anyone from india???
[06:49] <GameCat> eolo: all I did was drop to init 3 and run "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" but that is on a desktop machine...
[06:50] <eolo> ok i try, (drop to runlevel 3?)
[06:50] <GameCat> yeah
[06:50] <GameCat> so no X server is running while the driver is installling
[06:52] <eolo> and how do i switch to runlevel 3
[06:52] <GameCat> ah right
[06:52] <eolo> newbie
[06:53] <GameCat> the easiest way is to open a shell and do "sudo init 3" - but be warned, that will kill the x server and anything else you have running and drop you back to command line
[06:53] <eolo> thanks
[06:53] <GameCat> so save anything important first
[06:53] <eolo> i' ll be back ,hope, soon
[06:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i have a question what are the diffrent run levels and what do they do?
[06:55] <GameCat> afaik 5 is x server gui and 3 is no x server, 6 is reboot and 0 is shut down
[06:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok thats simple enough
[06:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[06:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to look at the hardware specs in kubuntu?
[07:00] <GameCat> requirement, or what you have?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or device manager?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think so
[07:00] <GameCat> kinfocenter
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx ^_^
[07:00] <GameCat> np
[07:01] <othernoob> GameCat, are you familiar with wine?
[07:02] <GameCat> othernoob: nope
[07:03] <GameCat> I have crossover office on here, but not the free one
[07:03] <othernoob> meh :/  would anyone happen to know how to end wine when a game crashes/freezes and leaves a black screen?
[07:04] <GameCat> can you do a ctrl-alt-F3 to get to another login?
[07:04] <GameCat> if so, log in and kill it that way
[07:04] <GameCat> if not, I've no idea :/
[07:06] <othernoob> i will have to try that next time, even though i hope there's no next time. in a vane attempt i tried alt f1,alt f4, ctrlaltdel, alt-tab..and of course, reset button(which was the only thing that worked)
[07:06] <GameCat> yeah
[07:07] <GameCat> the ctrl-alt F2 to F6 should all give you a terminal
[07:07] <GameCat> once you kill the process, ctrl-alt-F7 will get you back to kde
[07:07] <othernoob> thanks, didnt know that :)
[07:08] <GameCat> pleasure - that isn't just kubuntu - most distros are set up that way
[07:08] <GameCat> certainly redhat and suse and whitebox to my certain knowledge
[07:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here know about sound cards?
[07:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause i have a real problem with mine
[07:10] <GameCat> oh whoops
[07:10] <othernoob> at the moment i'm trying to finally finish dune2000 lol. quit on the last level on win98, didnt run on xp, but it does on wine..not great..but it runs.
[07:11] <GameCat> I just found a reference to ubuntu runlevels and realised I gave the guy with the nvidia question the wrong info :(
[07:11] <othernoob> ..sometimes..
[07:11] <GameCat> hope he forgives me (after he figures it out!)
[07:11] <othernoob> lol, what did you give him?
[07:11] <GameCat> 3
[07:11] <GameCat> init 3 is the redhat runlevel for cli :)
[07:12] <GameCat> on ubuntu the default is 2 so him doing init 3 won't do him any good :(
[07:12] <othernoob> what is 3 on ubuntu?
[07:12] <eolo> hi gamecat
[07:12] <GameCat> hey eolo - how did it go - I just realised I gave you wrong info about the runlevels - sorry m8 :(
[07:13] <eolo> i did install nvidia-glx, but now my desktop is awful
[07:13] <GameCat> did you edit your xorg.conf?
[07:13] <eolo> i had some problems, but...
[07:13] <eolo> no i didn't
[07:14] <hon> I have a *little* problem, can someone test this and see if it is only mine or it is more general: Show Desktop (Alt+Ctrl+D), now go to another Desktop (Say Ctrl+F2). does it go to desktop 2 or it just undos the Show Desktop Command?
[07:14] <eolo> what should i change
[07:14] <GameCat> hang on - I'll check this time :)
[07:15] <GameCat> eolo: less /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian
[07:15] <GameCat> instructions right near the top
[07:15] <eolo> ok thanks
[07:15] <GameCat>         Minimum requirements:
[07:15] <GameCat>         In Section "Module"
[07:15] <GameCat>            add Load "glx"
[07:15] <GameCat>            remove Load "dri"
[07:15] <GameCat>            remove Load "GLcore"
[07:15] <GameCat>         In Section "Device"
[07:15] <GameCat>            Change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia"
[07:15] <GameCat> then restart x
[07:15] <GameCat> logging out and back in is enough to do that
[07:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here know anything about sound cards and drivers?
[07:16] <GameCat> not me foamy, sorry
[07:16] <GameCat> no soundcard here
[07:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[07:23] <isai> hi
[07:24] <isai> I just switched from ubuntu to kubuntu and would like to know how to adjust my network settings. I have a wireless card and ubuntu had a program from selecting WEP, etc. Does kubuntu have one?
[07:26] <GameCat> it's in the kde control center
[07:26] <GameCat> which is in the main k menu
[07:27] <isai> Okay, I have that open, which option?
[07:27] <GameCat> no interface showing?
[07:28] <GameCat> it should show available devices, then you pick one to set up
[07:29] <GameCat> oh, and the administrator mode is sometimes awkward - you might want to try "sudo kcontrol" if it won't let you into admin mode
[07:30] <isai> there is nothing that says interface.
[07:32] <isai> I just checked synaptic. I don't actually have kubuntu installed, just all the kde stuff. Do I have to install kubuntu for these programs to install?
[07:33] <GameCat> thats a kde thing, not a kubuntu thing specifically
[07:33] <_john> hello
[07:34] <_john> <_<
[07:36] <isai> if I install kubuntu, will I still be able to use the GNOME stuff I have right now to configure my network, etc.?
[07:36] <_john> yeah
[07:36] <_john> i did that
[07:36] <_john> with an apt-get install
[07:36] <_john> then you just change your session
[07:36] <_john> you can use GNOME or KDE whenever you want
[07:36] <isai> _john: how do I config. my network in kubuntu? is it different from ubuntu?
[07:37] <GameCat> I have to go eat - see you later
[07:37] <_john> well i dont know, i just switched to KDE today
[07:38] <_john> but you can use all of the gnome applications
[07:38] <buz> what do you need to configure wrt to you network
[07:38] <isai> _john: but is there a way that KDE does it specifically?
[07:38] <isai> buz: WEP
[07:38] <_john> I wouldn't exactly know.
[07:38] <_john> sorry.
[07:38] <buz> mhh theres kwifimanager i think
[07:39] <buz> never used it tho
[07:39] <arcanistherogue> sweet.
[07:39] <isai> im install kwifi right now...
[07:40] <isai> arcanis: how did you change your name?
[07:40] <arcanistherogue> Hey guys, why do people say KDE is so bad?  my friends are practically yelling at me for switching from GNOME...
[07:40] <arcanistherogue> see that box to the right?
[07:40] <arcanistherogue> highlight the name in it and type your new one
[07:40] <arcanistherogue> im sure there is an IRC command also
[07:42] <isai> arcan: some people don't like KDE because its not GPL completely. But I think it has more to do with aethetics.
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> heh, thast why I love it
[07:42] <penguinboy> +J
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> I care about how things look, I have this glossy windows theme with all matching icons and stuff
[07:42] <shogo> kde is not gpl ?hu
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> +j
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> +J
[07:42] <arcanistherogue> what does that do?
[07:43] <buz> wtf, kde IS completely gpl
[07:43] <isai> shogo: it has a cross license with LGPL or something like that. Please don't ask me about the specifically, I really am not an expert in that.
[07:43] <buz> and has been for a long time
[07:43] <buz> same for qt
[07:43] <shogo> i think kde+qt are all gpl under linux
[07:44] <buz> qt4 is gonna be gpl on linux,mac, win
[07:44] <buz> qt3 is gpl on linux,mac
[07:44] <isai> Anyways, I remember using GNOME 0.9 and 1.1, it was nice then.
[07:44] <isai> you could config whatever your wanted. It was especially nice with sawfish.
[07:45] <shogo> an gtk IS LGPL
[07:45] <isai> then 2.0 came out (it took forever to come out).  I want to solve a little thingie in kde.. it popups thing slike "The KDE Window Manager. activate" or even "Konversation" when I use this client. Any clue what the option is to disable that?
[07:46] <isai> they took away a lot of config stuff and came up with that horrible spatial nautilus.
[07:46] <isai> it sucks.
[07:46] <isai> I don't even think the gnome guys use it themselves.
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> i used nautilus <_<
[07:47] <buz> nautilus is still better than that god awful osxfinder
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> but then again ive only been using linux for about 2 months
[07:47] <buz> i honestly dont think the people who wrote osx finder used it for more than 5minutes
[07:47] <yoz> isai: don't wanna bother or something though can you guys take a look at my issue?
[07:47] <buz> yoz: what exactly do the windows say
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> is it that white box?
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> that you get when you hover
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> or is it the faded blue one in the top left
[07:48] <isai> have you guys tried viewing CVS dirs. or SVN dirs with nautilus. the windows pop up everywhere.
[07:48] <arcanistherogue> like you get when amaroK changes tracks
[07:48] <yoz> buz: it just inform about the aplication.. right now I get one like "Konversation (my client) and the nickname with the phrase this user wrote"
[07:48] <isai> yoz: what program?
[07:48] <buz> actually i like that ;)
[07:48] <buz> usually you can deactivate it in the menu of the app
[07:48] <arcanistherogue> where is it?
[07:48] <isai> yoz: sorry, can't helped you with that. Im using xchat.
[07:48] <buz> sometimes in the config, sometimes its called notifications where you can set all sorts of stuff
[07:49] <buz> with konversation it lives in settings -configure notifications
[07:49] <yoz> isai: it's generally.. when I minimize windows in kde I get for example "The KDE Window Manager"
[07:49] <arcanistherogue> hey, which is better, kopete or gaim?
[07:49] <buz> kopete of course
[07:49] <yoz> it's not irc client related.
[07:49] <yoz> buz: get my point?
[07:49] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[07:49] <buz> not really
[07:49] <isai> yoz: is it the tip of the day dialog box?
[07:50] <buz> generally, you can configure on per app level what dialogs it will show
[07:50] <yoz> isai: when I minimize a windows for example.. it just pops up the following "The KDE Window Manager" and under it "activate"
[07:50] <yoz> s/windows/window
[07:51] <yoz> weird.
[07:51] <arcanistherogue> man, kde is bueatiful
[07:51] <buz> arcanistherogue: what theme do you use
[07:51] <arcanistherogue> plastik
[07:51] <buz> me too
[07:51] <isai> yoz: is kwin running?
[07:51] <arcanistherogue> with a matching firefox theme
[07:52] <buz> many hate it but i like it
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> i love it!
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> its the best
[07:52] <buz> it's not quite as overdone was baghira
[07:52] <buz> as
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> i didnt see that one
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> i only saw a couple
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> like this old school one
[07:52] <buz> looks like osx
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> hmmm
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> lemme check that out
[07:52] <buz> but metal osx is butt ugly if you ask me
[07:53] <buz> pin stripes is ok, but that metal stuff, wtf where they thinking
[07:53] <buz> were,even
[07:53] <isai> the metal stuff is for flash.
[07:54] <arcanistherogue> ;_; where do i change theme again... ive been using kde for about 1 hour, i forgot...
[07:54] <isai> at work my managers love 'flash'. even if its not usable.
[07:54] <buz> kcontrol
[07:54] <yoz> isai: I killed it and it was a bad idea.
[07:54] <arcanistherogue> how do i get to kcontrol?
[07:54] <buz> i usually run away from customers that want flash
[07:54] <buz> run it :)
[07:54] <isai> yoz: i didn't tell you to kill it.
[07:54] <buz> its also in the kmenu as control center
[07:55] <yoz> isai: I know.. 8)
[07:55] <isai> arcan: its in the K menu called 'control center'
[07:55] <isai> yoz: do you still get the pop up?
[07:56] <yoz> yeah
[07:56] <yoz> isai: kwin _is_ running
[07:56] <arcanistherogue> hmmm... in control center, it says my machine is i686... is that because i have a 64 bit processor?
[07:56] <arcanistherogue> </newbie question> <_<
[07:56] <yoz> isai: at least "ps aux" show that
[07:57] <isai> arcan: no, i686 is just x86 version extensions.
[07:57] <arcanistherogue> oh.
[07:57] <arcanistherogue> thanks alot
[07:57] <Soneras> btw. did you guys see the Clearlooks-DeepSky theme for GTK2? I haven'T ever really thought about this 8don't use many gtk apps - I'm a good KDE citizen =)), but wouldn't this be a good 'defaault' for those-apps-theres-no-qt-equivalent?
[07:57] <penguinboy> O_o
[07:57] <arcanistherogue> aw man, apparently I don't have baghira
[07:58] <arcanistherogue> wtf is up with this? when im playign this one mp3 the sound stops 10 seconds in
[07:58] <arcanistherogue> only on that one though
[07:58] <isai> yoz: im sorry i really don't know that your problem is. You could probably get better help in #kde.
[07:58] <buz> Soneras: i just use gtk-qt to take care of that
[07:58] <yoz> isai: thanks alot for you help anyway!
[08:00] <Soneras> buz:: did so myself before, but there are always some elements that don't quite feel right (like tabs beeing too small for text aand such)
[08:00] <Soneras> somehow I got hooked on this clearlooks style... strange
[08:02] <isai> where I can I find new KDE styles?
[08:02] <othernoob> kde-look.org ?
[08:02] <penguinboy> yes
[08:03] <penguinboy> good place
[08:03] <McScruff> does anyone know an app that controls cpu fan?
[08:03] <isai> any recommednations on good styles?
[08:04] <Soneras> depends on your taste
[08:04] <Soneras> I'd recommend qtcurve - a very simple and elegant one
[08:04] <arcanistherogue> hey how do i move my applications to different desktops?
[08:05] <othernoob> right click->to desktop ?
[08:05] <penguinboy> si
[08:06] <isai> kubuntu comes with additional style packages called kdeartwork-style. its a good starting point for more styles.
[08:09] <qbit> McScruff: lm_sensors has a fancontrol which can be configured with a pwmconfig script, but it is somewhat arcane and doesn't access the complete range on my system
[08:09] <qbit> McScruff: and whether it will even work, or not, depends upon your hardware
[08:18] <slow-motion> hello
[08:18] <slow-motion> i have a small problem with tor under kubuntu. can someone help me with it?
[08:19] <slow-motion> Jul 04 20:18:24.394 [notice]  tor_init(): Tor v<IP_ADDRESS>. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity.
[08:19] <slow-motion> Jul 04 20:18:24.395 [warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this UID (1000). You must fix this to proceed.
[08:19] <slow-motion> Jul 04 20:18:24.395 [err]  options_act(): Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor
[08:19] <slow-motion> Jul 04 20:18:24.395 [err]  init_from_config(): Acting on config options left us in a broken state. Dying.
[08:20] <isai> slow-motion: be careful not to flood.
[08:20] <slow-motion> do i have to change the user-id to 1000 or what user-id does tor need?
[08:23] <slow-motion> or do i need to change it to my user-id?
[08:34] <QueerAsFolk> hey crimsun
[08:35] <`crimsun> hi
[08:45] <Mez> Riddell, you around?
[08:47] <QueerAsFolk> hey Mez
[08:48] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[08:49] <godsmoke> slow-motion_: where did you get that error?
[08:49] <slow-motion_> when i tried to start tor
[08:49] <godsmoke> ... did you start it as root?
[08:49] <Mez> what are the KDE updates that have been pushed through? I've only jsdut got my computer back on the net after 4 days
[08:50] <godsmoke> Mez: just look at the apt repositories ...
[08:50] <slow-motion_> i started it as a normal user
[08:50] <godsmoke> like everyone else
[08:50] <godsmoke> slow-motion_: well -- obviously it's complaining -- so start it as root
[08:50] <Mez> yeah, I'm WONDERING IF THEY CAME FORM BACKPORTS OR SOMETHING
[08:50] <Mez> damn caps
[08:51] <slow-motion_> i think i need to change the uid to my uid. but i forgot where i can find it and the command to change it.
[08:51] <godsmoke> no ...
[08:52] <Soneras> I'm not sure atm, but shouldn't tor be running as a deamon, and thus as root?
[08:52] <godsmoke> uid 1000 is the standard first user-created non-root account
[08:52] <slow-motion_> godsmoke i think it is a bad idea to start it as root.
[08:52] <godsmoke> slow-motion_: I don't know where you got that idea
[08:52] <godsmoke> /var/lib/* is not going to be owned by your user
[08:52] <godsmoke> this is a dumb discussion
[08:53] <godsmoke> sudo the process
[08:53] <godsmoke> end of story
[08:53] <godsmoke> I'm sure it's right in the manual for tor as well
[08:53] <godsmoke> and you just didn't bother to read it
[08:53] <slow-motion_> but is it not to dangerous for the system, when it runs as root?
[08:53] <godsmoke> you're not making any sense
[08:54] <godsmoke> everything is dangerous
[08:55] <slow-motion_> i just want to start is with my user
[08:55] <slow-motion_> not as root.
[08:55] <godsmoke> it obviously needs root access -- most likely for the ports it's using
[08:55] <godsmoke> sigh
[08:55] <slow-motion_> sudo tor
[08:55] <slow-motion_> Jul 04 20:55:37.313 [notice]  tor_init(): Tor v<IP_ADDRESS>. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity.
[08:55] <slow-motion_> Jul 04 20:55:37.315 [warn]  /var/lib/tor is not owned by this UID (0). You must fix this to proceed.
[08:55] <slow-motion_> Jul 04 20:55:37.315 [err]  options_act(): Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor
[08:55] <slow-motion_> Jul 04 20:55:37.316 [err]  init_from_config(): Acting on config options left us in a broken state. Dying.
[08:56] <slow-motion_>  for you godsmoke
[08:56] <godsmoke> well, check who it IS owned by ...
[08:56] <godsmoke> god -- why are you even asking here?
[08:56] <godsmoke> this has nothing to do with kubuntu
[08:56] <QueerAsFolk> godsmoke don't you think you are being a little rude
[08:57] <monchy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[08:57] <godsmoke> no -- I think he needs to do something on his own
[08:57] <QueerAsFolk> oh
[08:57] <QueerAsFolk> this is one of those rtfm things
[08:57] <godsmoke> it's completely unrelated to kubuntu
[08:57] <godsmoke> it shouldn't even be a matter for this room
[08:59] <slow-motion_> so godsmoke then i'm shure you can tell me where i have to ask?
[08:59] <HiFi_dk> hi.. could someone tell what version of kppp is in Kubuntu ? trying to fill a bug report, but not on the kubuntu system right now
[09:00] <QueerAsFolk> "A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole."
[09:00] <godsmoke> yes -- you should A. read the tor manual, and not rely on apt setting up the application, so you think you don't have to configure anything, or do anything for yourself, B) you should go to the tor irc channel
[09:00] <godsmoke> "Drop by the #tor IRC channel at irc.oftc.net"
[09:01] <QueerAsFolk> that is nice godsmoke
[09:01] <QueerAsFolk> very nice
[09:02] <QueerAsFolk> kppp version is 2.3.1
[09:03] <godsmoke> HiFi_dk: for future reference: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:03] <HiFi_dk> godsmoke: ok, was trying to find that
[09:03] <QueerAsFolk> HiFi_dk: did you see that the current version of kpppp is 2.3.1
[09:03] <HiFi_dk> thx
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to make mplayer 's video bigger
[09:05] <godsmoke> you mean, make the window bigger?
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea the video is really small
[09:05] <godsmoke> you just drag the window corner
[09:05] <godsmoke> like with any other window
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea but the image dosen't get bigger
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it stays the same size
[09:05] <godsmoke> that's because you didn't turn on -zoom
[09:05] <QueerAsFolk> i do not think it will
[09:05] <McScruff> does anyone know an app to control cpu fan?
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh
[09:06] <godsmoke> you need to turn on software-based video zoom to do that
[09:06] <godsmoke> McScruff: hrm ... that should all be handled by your power management system (apm, acpi, so forth)
[09:06] <McScruff> need to find it
[09:07] <godsmoke> good -- then find it -- there are a number of systems with proprietary devices
[09:07] <godsmoke> do some googling on your laptop
[09:07] <McScruff> on my pc..
[09:07] <godsmoke> your pc?
[09:07] <McScruff> yes
[09:07] <godsmoke> since when do motherboards allow fan control via software?
[09:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can't seem to find zoom in the prefrences
[09:07] <godsmoke> Chameleon22: preferences?
[09:07] <godsmoke> mplayer -zoom
[09:07] <godsmoke> simple as that
[09:08] <godsmoke> not Chameleon22, ChurcH_of_FoamY*
[09:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that a command?
[09:08] <godsmoke> yes ... it's how you start mplayer
[09:08] <godsmoke> that's what you asked about -- mplayer
[09:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[09:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> could not run the specified command
[09:09] <godsmoke> then you don't have mplayer installed correctly
[09:09] <QueerAsFolk> hey hey hey kalenedrael
[09:09] <Poromies> godsmoke: um my motherboard allows me to adjust fanspeeds via software, have done so since '03
[09:09] <godsmoke> how else would you start mplayer?
[09:09] <Poromies> :)
[09:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> never mind i typed it wrong >.<
[09:09] <godsmoke> ok -- well, news to me -- I never use that stuff
[09:09] <QueerAsFolk> how can i probe my vid card to see what kind it is?
[09:09] <godsmoke> lspci
[09:09] <QueerAsFolk> danke
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope diden't work
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it dosen't start it or nothing
[09:10] <godsmoke> ...
[09:10] <godsmoke> what are you doing?
[09:10] <godsmoke> you're giving me very little information
[09:10] <QueerAsFolk> just sitting here
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mplayer -zoom
[09:10] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:10] <godsmoke> ...
[09:10] <godsmoke> that was the zoom command
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm trying to open it through the console
[09:10] <godsmoke> that doesn't make it play video
[09:11] <godsmoke> you have to tell it WHAT video you want it to play
[09:11] <godsmoke> haven't you ever used mplayer?
[09:11] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not like that no
[09:11] <godsmoke> mplayer -zoom porn.avi
[09:11] <godsmoke> that's the only way to use mplayer
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[09:11] <godsmoke> anything else is NOT mplayer
[09:11] <godsmoke> it's a front end to it
[09:11] <godsmoke> which is a totally different application
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i diden't know
[09:12] <godsmoke> #mplayer
[09:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[09:12] <godsmoke> 103 people there, ready to regurgitate information directly from the manual, just for you
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> now now godsmoke
[09:13] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[09:13] <malte> lol
[09:13] <shogo> damn loler
[09:13] <malte> :D
[09:14] <QueerAsFolk> "A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole."
[09:14] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[09:15] <godsmoke> QueerAsFolk: good thing that isn't law
[09:16] <godsmoke> or our world would be in trouble
[09:21] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[09:23] <malte> lol
[09:44] <QueerAsFolk> anyone here?
[09:45] <QueerAsFolk> welcome Shuddertrix
[09:47] <Riddell> QueerAsFolk: there are people here, ask if you have questions
[09:47] <QueerAsFolk> no question...just wanted to see if anyone was awake
[09:47] <QueerAsFolk> wasap wasap
[09:47] <wasap> i googled this and i still cant find an answer. how do i get my recycle bin to go on my desktop in kde 3.4  i dont like it on the bar
[10:05] <tsunammis> Bonjour tous le monde
[10:06] <QueerAsFolk> Bonjour mes ami
[10:06] <seth_k> salut
[10:07] <tsunammis> euh je suis tout nouveau sur Kubuntu
[10:07] <tsunammis> il est vraiment sympa, mais bon quand j'essai de me connecter a msn messenger il me dit mot de passe invalide
[10:07] <tsunammis> alors que c'est le bon
[10:07] <tsunammis> lol
[10:08] <shogo> tsunammis: c'est un chan anglophone ici
[10:08] <shogo> tu peux essayer sur #ubuntu-fr
[10:08] <QueerAsFolk> Accueillir  Kubuntu.
[10:09] <shogo> tsunammis: avec quel soft tu te connectes a msn ?
[10:09] <tsunammis> je suis dessus en ce moment
[10:09] <tsunammis> shogo avec Kopete je croi
[10:09] <shogo> ah oui alors ils pourront pas grand chose sur #ubuntu-fr :/
[10:09] <shogo> tu peux parler anglais ? tu auras plus de rponses
[10:10] <tsunammis> ou  moin que je trouve un autre log que Kopete :s
[10:10] <shogo> tsunammis: quelle version de kopete ?
[10:10] <QueerAsFolk> essayer d'aller  #kopete pour rpond  mon ami
[10:10] <tsunammis> shogo Je ne sais pas du tout
[10:11] <shogo> tsunammis: Aide / A propos de Kopete
[10:11] <tsunammis> QueerAsFolk Thanks you
[10:11] <Mez> Please note this is an ENGLISH channel
[10:11] <tsunammis> shogo je vais voir ca
[10:11] <Mez> #ubunutu-fr
[10:11] <Mez> #ubuntu-fr
[10:12] <shogo> Mez: please note you can be polite on irc
[10:12] <QueerAsFolk> Vous etes la plupart d'accueil.  Je susi content pour aider!
[10:13] <tsunammis> shogo v0.10
[10:13] <Mez> shogo, I'm being polite :D
[10:13] <shogo> QueerAsFolk: your french is not so bad :)
[10:13] <QueerAsFolk> merci
[10:13] <tsunammis> QueerAsFolk Yes, your french is good ;-) but my english is very bad :D
[10:14] <QueerAsFolk> merci mes ami
[10:14] <tsunammis> no problem
[10:14] <QueerAsFolk> Mex when did they give you an op badge???
[10:15] <QueerAsFolk> Mez
[10:15] <seth_k> tsunammis, si il n'y a personne a #ubuntu-fr, on peut essayer de vous aider ici. Je me souviens que Kopete a quelques problems quand on l'utilise avec Hoary
[10:15] <QueerAsFolk> i do that all the time typing Mex for Mez
[10:15] <Mez> quite a while back QueerAsFolk
[10:15] <QueerAsFolk> i have never seen you wear it
[10:15] <Mez> I dont wear it normally ;) I was just checking something
[10:16] <QueerAsFolk> the Mez can turn into the Mezzinator!
[10:16] <shogo> maybe an upgrade of kopete will fix the bug, anyone have experimented the bad login bug with kopete 0.10 ?
[10:16] <seth_k> indeed
[10:16] <seth_k> methinks the latest breezy version fixes it
[10:16] <seth_k> i had to switch to gaim
[10:17] <Mez> remember seth - I am the taskmaster here... not you
[10:17] <QueerAsFolk> be careful seth
[10:17] <shogo> so many problems with msn, why dont people just use jabber ? :/
[10:17] <seth_k> you know it
[10:17] <buz> or icq at least
[10:17] <tsunammis> seth_k d'accord merci bien, je ne comprend pas comment installer des logiciels c'est pour cela, sinon avec Kopete je n'arrive toujours pas a me connecter
[10:18] <Mez> QueerAsFolk, seth and I work together outside of Ubuntu stuff - see http://www.invisionfree.com/ for more details :D
[10:18] <seth_k> tsunammis, vous pouvez essayer d'utiliser GAIM?
[10:18] <tsunammis> il faudrait que je puisse installer un autre logiciel comme par exemple gAIM
[10:18] <QueerAsFolk> Mez tyou know this is Penguinboy right?
[10:18] <seth_k> ouais
[10:18] <shogo> tsunammis: sudo apt-get install gaim
[10:19] <seth_k> Mez, what's the latest version of Kopete in backports?
[10:19] <QueerAsFolk> so you provide forums?
[10:19] <monchy> invisionfree was a good service
[10:19] <seth_k> yeah
[10:19] <QueerAsFolk> was not is?
[10:19] <Mez> QueerAsFolk, sorry ... whats the problem with penguinboy?
[10:19] <seth_k> still is :P
[10:19] <tsunammis> je vien de faire sudo apt-get install gaim, mais rien ne sais passs :s
[10:19] <monchy> well i haven't used it in a while, but it was good when i used it lol
[10:20] <QueerAsFolk> i c
[10:20] <shogo> tsunammis: parles en sur #ubuntu-fr gaim ils connaissent
[10:20] <QueerAsFolk> monch: did you know the Mezzinator and seth the stick eating boy ran it?
[10:20] <Mez> seth it's not in backports
[10:20] <monchy> no
[10:20] <seth_k> mmkay
[10:20] <monchy> not til now lol
[10:21] <Mez> mez@apathy:/backports/tree/dists/hoary-backports-staging/universe/binary-i386$ apt-cache show kopete | grep Version
[10:21] <Mez> Version: 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary2
[10:21] <Mez> Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1
[10:21] <Mez> Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2
[10:21] <seth_k> we don't run it, a guy that Mez worked with back in the day does
[10:21] <Mez> lol
[10:21] <Mez> ;)
[10:21] <tsunammis> shogo merci en faite maintenant j'arrive  l'installer, par contre je suis en train de constater que le ctrl + C (copier/coller) ne marche pas lol fort embetant
[10:22] <seth_k> haha
[10:22] <Mez> we work together on it though
[10:22] <seth_k> quel horreur
[10:22] <QueerAsFolk> kewl
[10:22] <seth_k> et vous utilisez Hoary Kubuntu?
[10:22] <QueerAsFolk> is seth the stick eating boy nice to work with?
[10:22] <tsunammis> oui
[10:22] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[10:23] <seth_k> (oy, je parle trop d'espanol... j'oublie mon francais)
[10:23] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[10:23] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[10:23] <shogo> seth_k: your french is very good
[10:23] <Mez> kopete 0.10.2 = latest hoary version
[10:23] <seth_k> thankums shogo
[10:23] <QueerAsFolk> adieu mon ami
[10:26] <penguinboy> bonjour
[10:26] <seth_k> tsunammis, Kopete ne marche pas pour moi, meme en Breezy. Donc je crois qu'il faut trouver un autre logiciel.  :P
[10:41] <penguinboy> lol
[10:41] <nikkia> yeah, there may be people wanting to ask where their root password is, so shhhhh
[10:41] <seth_k> kinda what I was thinking... nobody has any questions right now
[10:41] <seth_k> but mmkay
[10:41] <Mez> nikkia - #ubuntu
[10:41] <Mez> :P
[10:41] <uniq> mez: well. since this is #kubuntu we don't talk about cutting peoples hearts out.
[10:41] <penguinboy> uniq this is basically what goes on here all day long,.....
[10:41] <monchy> we just sit here and idle instead
[10:41] <monchy> woohoo
[10:41] <kalenedrael> unless someone actually has a quesion
[10:41] <kalenedrael> question
[10:42] <uniq> penguinboy: that doesn't mean that is what's wanted.
[10:42] <penguinboy> and when someone has a question....we are very helpful
[10:42] <monchy> 10 secons later topic is changed back
[10:42] <Mez> uniq - fair comment :D
[10:42] <Mez> monchy - I just corrected the typos :D
[10:42] <monchy> oh i know, i'm just going along with the theme that nothing can change in here ;)
[10:42] <shogo> who celebrate the independance day here ?
[10:42] <penguinboy> uniq do you recommend we just sit here and stare until someone asks a question?
[10:43] <uniq> penguinboy: yes.
[10:43] <penguinboy> i c
[10:43] <Mez> technically, that shouldn't be there...   As you may have heard, the Mozilla Internet suite is in the process of being broken up into individual pieces (browser, email, etc.).  Nvu will pick up where Composer left off, adding additional features, functionality and ease of use.
[11:19] <nikkia> so really, its not in the least bit surprising that it looks like mozilla composer, really
[11:20] <liz4rd> mmm yeah
[11:46] <rodolfo> hi, is someone using wifi?
[11:46] <kalenedrael> yeah
[11:47] <kalenedrael> why?
[11:47] <kalenedrael> need help with something?
[11:47] <rodolfo> I have problems with the configuration
[11:47] <liz4rd> generaly :P
[11:47] <kalenedrael> :P
[11:47] <kalenedrael> ok, what problems, specifically?
[11:47] <kalenedrael> and what wifi card are you using?
[11:47] <rodolfo> configuring with kcontrol does not store the values
[11:48] <kalenedrael> for...?
[11:48] <rodolfo> I have centrino
[11:48] <kalenedrael> ok, and the drivers, work, right?
[11:48] <rodolfo> yes
[11:48] <rodolfo> I am connected now
[11:48] <kalenedrael> and you can't store what values?
[11:48] <rodolfo> with adsl router
[11:48] <rodolfo> not from the gui
[11:48] <kalenedrael> ok
[11:49] <kalenedrael> i just use iwconfig and dhclient (or set a static ip if i'm at home)
[11:49] <rodolfo> and dhcp does not work, the card doesn't get enabled
[11:49] <kalenedrael> hmm
[11:49] <rodolfo> static is ok
[11:49] <kalenedrael> is your router running a dhcp server?
[11:49] <rodolfo> yes
[11:50] <kalenedrael> ok, and what program are you using for dhcp on this end?
[11:50] <rodolfo> it works with win
[11:50] <rodolfo> Im not sure...
[11:50] <kalenedrael> try dhclient
[11:50] <kalenedrael> it comes with kubuntu
[11:51] <kalenedrael> or i think it did
[11:56] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[11:56] <Riddell> Mez: honk
[11:56] <Mez> Shall I build 0.12.2 for k3b ?
[11:56] <Mez> It's been released
[11:57] <Mez> http://k3b.plainblack.com/news2
[11:57] <_rodolfo> kalenedrael?
[11:57] <kalenedrael> yeah
[11:57] <kalenedrael> what?
[11:57] <_rodolfo> ok, dhclient worked
[11:57] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[11:57] <Mez> *checking if auto-reply
[11:57] <kalenedrael> cool
[11:58] <_rodolfo> it has overridden the static address
[11:58] <_rodolfo> could the problem depend on kde?
[11:58] <godsmoke> _rodolfo: what problem are you having?
[11:59] <_rodolfo> I try to set the network card with kcontrol
[11:59] <_rodolfo> the wifi card
[11:59] <kalenedrael> don't use a GUI config tool unless you have to...
[12:00] <_rodolfo> if I edit /etc/network/interfaces, then the network restarts, but the wifi does not work
[12:00] <_rodolfo> I have to reboot
[12:00] <godsmoke> well, you're going to have to be more specific than "does not work"
[12:00] <godsmoke> you NEVER have to reboot
[12:00] <godsmoke> the only reason to reboot a linux machine is to install a new kernel
[12:00] <_rodolfo> it does not get the signal
[12:01] <_rodolfo> that sounds good...
[12:01] <godsmoke> ok -- explain this slowly, one step at a time ... because "does not get the signal" doesn't mean very much -- and I can't help you
[12:02] <_rodolfo> let's say the wifi card is up and connected...
[12:02] <_rodolfo> with a static ip
[12:02] <godsmoke> connected, as in, authenticated with the wireless access point?
[12:02] <_rodolfo> yes


[00:05]  * infinity wishes poor queuebot would come back.
[01:36] <infinity> Thanks, mystery queue accepty person.
[03:43] <slangasek> infinity: tested here, and the libisofs patch doesn't give me any more useful MBR tables than the previous version without -partition_offset 16
[03:44] <infinity> slangasek: Well, that seems a bit special, then. :/
[03:44] <slangasek> infinity: so -partition_offset 16 no longer breaks EFI hybrid booting, but I'm not sure if it's worth including this fix just to include the -partition_offset option
[03:44] <infinity> slangasek: (We don't have a hidden static copy or something, do we?)
[03:45] <slangasek> no
[03:45] <slangasek> it's using the new version, and it does cause partition_offset to not break the GPT itself
[03:45] <infinity> Ahh.
[03:45] <slangasek> but the MBR seems to be totally useless on this image in both cases
[03:47] <slangasek> by which I mean, the MBR /partition table/ is useless; obviously the MBR boot sector is working fine
[03:48] <slangasek> so IMHO it's not worth fiddling with libisofs further right now unless something turns up in testing
[03:48] <slangasek> considering we still have SB pieces to put together, which is going to take a bit of time
[03:48]  * infinity nods.
[03:49] <infinity> I'm too busy wasting my weekend with Pandas to have opinions. :P
[07:37] <ara> good morning!
[07:38] <ara> anybody around from the release team willing to review a FFe request?
[07:38] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/1060211
[07:38] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1060211 in checkbox "[FFe] graphics_driver script does not report proprietary driver version" [Low,Fix committed]
 good morning!
[08:29] <ara>  anybody around from the release team willing to review a FFe request?
[08:29] <ara>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/1060211
[08:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1060211 in checkbox "[FFe] graphics_driver script does not report proprietary driver version" [Low,Fix committed]
[08:59] <ara> Laney, ^ ?
[09:02] <Laney> hi ara, will look at the queue in a bit
[09:02] <Laney> make sure it's New and has ubuntu-release subscribed
[09:10] <ara> OK, I will, thanks
[09:10] <ara> Laney, it is
[09:10] <Laney> ok
[11:23] <cjwatson> ^- asymptotically approaching working secure boot; Steve and I cross-reviewed each other's changes and at least my grub-install changes are battle-tested on relevant hardware
[11:24] <cjwatson> would greatly appreciate quick review so that we have a chance of getting working images by ~tomorrow
[11:25] <cjwatson> also it'd be nice to get my 20 no-change rebuilds this morning accepted; running out of time
[11:25] <Laney> unapproved: the gift that keeps on giving
[11:35] <cjwatson> thanks
[11:35] <Laney> what's left?
[11:35] <cjwatson> for sb?
[11:35] <Laney> yeah
[11:37]  * Laney eyes lplib
[11:37] <Laney> I do not want to set a password for my keyring every time, thanks
[11:38] <cjwatson> grub-efi-amd64-signed.postinst tweak to run grub-install and update-grub on configure; shim-signed upload with MS signature + possibly calls to things like sbkeysync; grub-installer change to install grub-efi-amd64-signed and shim-signed if SB active; debian-installer work to use gcdx64.efi.signed rather than building its own image; and possibly a cdimage tweak to make use of that
[11:39] <cjwatson> oh, and probably something to arrange for the signed kernel to be installed
[11:39] <cjwatson> so still quite a few elements but I think they are individually mercifully small by this point
[11:40] <cjwatson> (it would all have been done a month or two ago if we hadn't been politically stalled for ages, but anyway :-/)
[11:40] <Laney> fair do
[11:40] <Laney> hopefully I'll be able to run it here
[12:03] <cjwatson> ^- that'll be the amd64 binary for signing; an AA should accept it iff they feel that my most recent changes are not a security compromise
[12:58] <ara> Laney, any news for my FFe? 0:-)
[13:06] <Laney> ara: just replied
[13:06] <Laney> also, punted some removals to the -archive queue
[13:13] <ara> Laney, fantastic, thanks!
[13:41] <apw> cjwatson, the above linux-meta carries the new linux-signed-* meta packages
[13:56] <apw> cjwatson, the above linux-signed carries fixed up binary dependancies to include linux-image-extras so we get all of the modules
[14:00] <cjwatson> apw: both look good, thanks
[14:05] <cjwatson> Hum
[14:05] <apw> hum sounds bad
[14:06] <cjwatson> jdstrand: Can I promote linux-signed without an MIR?  The installer's going to want to install it, and it's just a signed copy of code maintained elsewhere
[14:07] <cjwatson> I left linux-signed-{,image-}generic in universe for the time being
[14:07] <apw> ahh yes, and now the installer will need them, croak
[14:28] <cyphermox> I'm just finding out that the ModemManager orig tarball in the archive is bad and missing stuff; should I just upload the right one now (after re-testing) to make sure things still work, given that I had all the necessary FFEs?
[14:28] <cyphermox> fwiw; the missing stuff appears to be just bugfix that should have made it but somehow didn't
[14:29] <cyphermox> and the cause of the issue looks like it was because I'm working with a few versions of ModemManager at the same time, I handled the wrong tarball
[14:30] <cjwatson> I'd say just upload it to the queue, obviously with a new upstream version number for the changed.orig
[14:30] <cjwatson> *changed .orig
[14:30] <cyphermox> cjwatson: alright
[14:38] <TheLordOfTime> when's the final EOL date for 12.04?
[14:38] <TheLordOfTime> s/12.04/11.04/
[14:38] <TheLordOfTime> (yes, i failed to type 11.04, but the 1 and 2 keys are righ tnext to each other :P)
[14:40] <cyphermox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[14:41] <TheLordOfTime> cyphermox, it states October 2012, i was looking for a more specific date :P
[14:44] <cjwatson> by default, exactly 18 months after original release
[14:44] <cjwatson> whether that's actually when it happens depends on available effort
[15:03] <jbicha> personally, I'd prefer the definition of "18 months" to be once the third release after comes out, I didn't like that maverick was EOL before precise came out
[15:04] <cjwatson> Yeah, I don't really feel strongly about it either way; three releases give or take a few weeks is roughly what it's always meant, I think
[15:05]  * smartboyhw agrees
[15:07] <cjwatson> So, it looks as though the ARM buildd issues are fixed; we're catching up on some urgent security builds, and will then retry the current broken ones from quantal-proposed
[15:09] <seb128> ^ libreoffice is Sweetshark second try at fixing the arm* builds
[15:10] <cjwatson> seb128: the previous builds are still going though?
[15:11] <seb128> cjwatson, well, he said that his test build on scheat finished before the buildds and failed on a packaging error (he didn't correctly update some part after disabling the plugins on arm)
[15:11] <seb128> cjwatson, so the current builds are going to fail at some point
[15:12] <cjwatson> Hm.  OK, but I'd like to not fill up the ARM builders with libreoffice just now
[15:12] <seb128> your call
[15:12] <cjwatson> Trying to spread things out a bit
[15:12] <seb128> feel free to kill the current libreoffice builds there
[15:12] <cjwatson> I can't
[15:13] <cjwatson> Well, only by asking IS
[15:13] <seb128> hum, k ... well anyway, when there is spare arm* builder time you might want to throw that new libreoffice at them ;-)
[15:13] <cjwatson> Which I guess might not be a terrible idea
[15:13] <seb128> seems worth it if you need arm* builds
[15:30] <Laney> cyphermox: wowzers, that's quite the diff (modemmanager)
[15:33] <cjwatson> OK, libreoffice builds killed, security builds at higher score already, accepted new libreoffice
[15:34] <cjwatson> Well, accepting - IIRC last time it took a few attempts
[15:34] <cjwatson> Currently nine geckos and two webkits building, so it'll take a while for much else to get a look-in
[15:35] <cjwatson> Oh, good, libreoffice accepted first try
[15:36]  * Laney checks how long webkit takes
[15:36] <Laney> 1 day, 8 hours, 59 minutes, 10.0 seconds
[15:36] <Laney> oh good
[15:36] <cjwatson> Quite
[15:50] <cyphermox> Laney: yeah, had a "major" issue with the upstream tarball
[15:51] <cyphermox> this is how things should have been since Sep. 7
[15:53] <cyphermox> I re-tested all my modems and those that worked still do, those that didn't work still don't (but I suspect it's a SIM issue more than the modem, I just didn't get a SIM for them yet)
[15:56] <Laney> cyphermox: Righto ...
[16:35] <bdmurray> Would it be possible to waive the 7 days in -proposed for bug 964674?
[16:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 964674 in update-manager "update-manager fails to display an error message" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964674
[19:30] <ScottK> If someone can review/accept clamav today, I can start the microversion update process this evening ....
[19:32] <doko> would it be possible to accept gcc-snapshot so that it builds once the arm queues get empty?
[19:39] <ScottK> Looks like that'll be awhile.
[19:39] <ScottK> I'll try and keep an eye on it though.
[20:03] <popey> is there anything else missing from bug 1063133 to get it synced from debian?
[20:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1063133 in openshot "FFe: Sync openshot 1.4.3-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1063133
[20:26] <doko> cjwatson, how many armv5 uploads are left?
[20:27] <iulian> popey: I was looking at it earlier but I didn't realise that Len was in -studio-dev and thus I didn't do anything. It looks fine to me. Daviey ^
[20:39] <Daviey> ogasawara: Hey, are we expecting a kernel upload soon?
[20:40] <Daviey> iulian: Ah, thanks.. Processing now
[20:44] <Daviey> popey: Done.
[20:44] <popey> awesome, thanks chaps!
[20:52] <cjwatson> doko: about 50
[20:52] <doko> cjwatson, maybe just upload now?
[20:52] <cjwatson> Yeah, I expect I'll do that before I go to bed tonight
[20:53] <doko> the queues should be empty tomorrow, most of the mozilla builds will finish in the next hour
[20:54] <cjwatson> I'll do a few now, but I'll need to go and spend time with K.  I'll be back later
[20:54] <tkamppeter> I have posted a fix for critical bug 1059286 (Avahi).
[20:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059286 in avahi "avahi-daemon takes 100% CPU right after boot and at every restart of CUPS" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059286
[20:54] <tkamppeter> Can someone upload the fixed avahi package?
[20:56] <doko> looking
[21:02] <cjwatson> doko: uploaded another dozen or so - as I say, I'll do the rest later tonight
[21:04] <doko> tkamppeter, I think the patch itself looks ok. however this is an ABI change. I think you need to change the lib* package name(s), where this struct changes.
[21:04] <doko> tkamppeter, is this change accepted upstream?
[21:05] <doko> I think it would be good to coordinate with debian on the package name change
[21:05] <cjwatson> It's too late to change avahi's soname for 12.10
[21:05] <cjwatson> FWIW
[21:06] <doko> cjwatson, please have a look at the patch, if my conclusion is correct
[21:06] <cjwatson> No time now
[21:06] <doko> ok
[21:06] <cjwatson> Just saying that this is a constraint on what's reasonable for 12.10
[21:06] <cjwatson> (And certainly not saying that it would be OK to change the ABI backward-incompatibly without changing the soname - it wouldn't, of course)
[21:08] <cjwatson> Is struct AvahiDnsPacket part of the public API?
[21:09] <cjwatson> I don't see it in the header files
[21:09] <cjwatson> I mean the installed ones
[21:09] <doko> you don't have time ;)
[21:10] <cjwatson> Yeah, I found a bit after all :)
[21:10] <cjwatson> Because I love you all so much
[21:10] <doko> you better love K.
[21:10] <cjwatson> Heh
[21:10] <cjwatson> So, OK, this is in publicly exported symbols
[21:11] <cjwatson> It depends how opaquely it's defined; if existing binaries outside avahi itself are not allowed to know about the layout of that struct, it's OK
[21:12] <cjwatson> But it would still be worth checking with upstream
[21:12] <tkamppeter> doko, I do not know whether it is accepted upstream, as there is no answer from an upstream developer.
[21:13] <tkamppeter> doko, how does the ABI change look like? If it only adds stuff and does not remove anything or change parameter lists of functions is it then not harmless?
[21:13] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: changes struct layout and size
[21:13] <cjwatson> That *would* be an ABI change if (and only if) existing binaries linked against the library are allowed to know about the layout and size of that struct
[21:14] <cjwatson> If all they do is treat it as a pointer to opaque stuff and use entirely accessor functions, it's OK
[21:14] <cjwatson> That's why I was trying to work that out
[21:15] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, doko, can this perhaps be fixed/worked around by marking the extra symbols/variables private?
[21:15] <cjwatson> I think it's actually OK, because that header file isn't installed for public use, so nothing should be able to know about that struct
[21:16] <cjwatson> This isn't C++
[21:16] <cjwatson> But the header not being installed in /usr/include is a good guarantee anyway
[21:16] <cjwatson> This is just an internal interface within avahi, AFAICS safe to change
[21:17] <doko> indeed, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dns.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=quantal&arch=any doesn't show anything about avahi
[21:35] <doko> tkamppeter, cjwatson: avahi uploaded
[21:35] <tkamppeter> doko, thank you very much.
[21:35] <doko> tkamppeter, please could you ping this patch upstream?
[21:39] <tkamppeter> doko, the patch is from upstream mailing list and was contributed by a SUSE developer, but I have emphasized anyway that it should go upstream.
[21:59] <cjwatson> doko: Could you have a look at whether speex is OK for ARMv5t?  The recent changelog entries make me unsure about whether a simple rebuild is enough
[21:59] <cjwatson> Stuff about FP
[22:07] <doko> looking
[22:13] <infinity> cjwatson: We probably just want to go back in sync with Debian for speex.
[22:15] <infinity> doko: ^
[22:17] <infinity> cjwatson / doko: Any objections to me just syncing speex, it seems to have picked up other things we'd want (hardening, etc)
[22:17] <infinity> cjwatson / doko: And it's been cooking in unstable/testing for 3 months, should be pretty safe.
[22:18] <doko> ugh, maintainer Ron Lee ..
[22:18] <infinity> Well, yes, there's that.
[22:18] <doko> and a rc report
[22:19] <cjwatson> infinity: Not sure the cross-building patch is in Debian
[22:19] <cjwatson> Is the fortify stuff?
[22:20] <infinity> I don't see a cross-building patch.  Unless you mean multiarch?
[22:20] <cjwatson> Uh, duh, sorry, wrong changelog
[22:20] <infinity> The current Debian version is multi-archy.
[22:21] <cjwatson> tcl8.4 != speex, shockingly
[22:21] <infinity> In all respects, it looks like a sane sync to me, and one less useless delta to worry about.
[22:21] <infinity> Yeah, I get them confused all the time too. ;)
[22:21] <infinity> After looking at the diff, I'll just sync.
[22:21] <cjwatson> If the diff's sane, sure
[22:21] <infinity> You can hold me responsible if it breaks.
[22:21] <doko> infinity, please could you review the proposed patch, and include it if appropriate?
[22:21] <cjwatson> I don't see the RC report
[22:22] <infinity> cjwatson: The PTS is confused, I think.
[22:22] <doko> no, just out of date. it was downgraded
[22:22] <cjwatson> Oh, just slightly out of date
[22:22] <cjwatson> Yeah
[22:24] <infinity> doko: Oh, indeed, the bug and patch look somewhat sane, I think.  Though, I might have to look at more context to judge that.
[22:24] <infinity> cjwatson: You can reject my sync, if you like, I might do an ubuntu1 with the patch in the morning.
[22:24] <doko> thanks
[22:25] <infinity> Meh, I'll reject it myself.  The reject mail will be a reminder to do the merge. :)
[22:25] <cjwatson> No harm doing the sync anyway, surely
[22:27] <infinity> cjwatson: No, no harm except buildd time.  But I guess I'm curious to see that it builds correctly.  Fine, no rejecting.
[22:32] <cjwatson> infinity: Looks fine.  Accepted.
[22:32] <cjwatson> Feel free to follow up :)
[22:33] <cjwatson> Now you have an accept mail as a reminder for the merge. :P
[22:37] <cjwatson> doko: Do you think we should sync zope.interface?  Looks like the only Ubuntu delta was reverted, and the bug fixed in Debian looks potentially interesting
[22:40] <cjwatson> So, aside from that, I just want to look into whether tcl8.4 and vte should be merged
[22:40] <doko> cjwatson, zope.interface: ack
[22:40] <cjwatson> I skipped linux-linaro-omap and linux-linaro-vexpress - I expect those are for userspace tools binary packages, but I really don't see the point as any actual ARMv[56] device is going to need a kernel package anyway
[22:41] <cjwatson> doko: thanks, synced
[22:41] <doko> hmm, there is no way to build python-stdlib-extensions for 3.3
[22:41] <cjwatson> And everything else is uploaded now
[22:41] <doko> or we promote it for main, which we'll do anyway for r
[22:41] <cjwatson> Isn't there a python3-stdlib-extensions?
[22:41] <cjwatson> Oh, right
[22:42] <doko> same source
[22:42] <cjwatson> Different source
[22:42] <cjwatson> According to LP
[22:42] <doko> yeah, but not in main
[22:42] <doko> I mean, 3.3
[22:42] <cjwatson> Mm
[22:43] <cjwatson> Well, you're the one on the MIR team :)
[22:44] <doko> proposing it hinders me to ack it
[22:44] <cjwatson> Sigh, uninstallables.  My bad :-/
[22:45]  * cjwatson does a bit of constructive rescoring
[22:47] <doko> I'll ask security on the 3.3 promotion
[22:47] <cjwatson> I expect the uninstallables will mostly clear as ARM builds flush
[22:47] <cjwatson> Daviey: Any progress on freeipmi?
[22:47] <cjwatson> Final freeze nears
[22:49] <doko> we should rename component-mismatches to server-mismatches ;-P
[22:52] <cjwatson> doh, think I retried pygobject-2/powerpc too early, was reading wrong uninstallables report
[22:52] <cjwatson> hate the primary/ports split there
[22:54] <cjwatson> Yep.  My bad
[22:55] <bdmurray> If I want to upload a new version (same number) of update-manager to precise-proposed I should first use remove package to remove update-manager from precise-proposed correct?
[22:55] <ScottK> Well, for once ppc isn't the slowest one.
[22:55] <cjwatson> Ah, super-long publisher run, bah
[22:55] <ScottK> bdmurray: Is it in the queue or has it been accepted already?
[22:55] <cjwatson> ~18 minutes spent processing a libreoffice translations tarball
[22:56] <cjwatson> bdmurray: You may not ever reuse a version number in the primary archive
[22:56] <cjwatson> Removal won't help you (and if you manage to get it to, you're exploiting a bug)
[22:56] <cjwatson> As ScottK implies, if it's only in the queue then you can reject that and reupload, and that's fine, but if it's accepted you must use a new version
[22:57] <ScottK> Right.  That's where I was going.
[22:57] <bdmurray> Got it thanks.
[22:57] <cjwatson> Version numbers are cheap anyway. :-)
[22:57] <ScottK> Right.  I just used clamav - 0.97.6+dfsg-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~10.04.1~ppa1 for a test package.
[22:58] <ScottK> cheap and potentially ugly.
[23:02] <cjwatson> ScottK: I'm finding it hilarious for powerpc to be so comfortably far ahead again
[23:02] <cjwatson> I notice the absence of calls to drop ARM
[23:03] <ScottK> Right, now that it's armv5, it'll run on lots of stuff Ubuntu couldn't run before.  Maybe people like it for that.  Dunno.
[23:03] <cjwatson> Oh, I just meant ARM in general. :-)
[23:03] <cjwatson> (armv5> As long as you didn't need chunks of universe.)
[23:04] <ScottK> Right.
[23:04] <ScottK> Stale chunks.
[23:04] <cjwatson> Mmm.
[23:05] <ScottK> I liked how some of your rebuilds to drop to v5, the previous changelog entry was a rebuild to bump to v7.
[23:07] <cjwatson> ScottK: Me too :-)
[23:09] <doko> the armel buildds cry for more armv5 uploads
[23:10] <doko> finally, the last mozilla security upload is now building on armel
[23:11] <ScottK> doko: I pushed some more through.
[23:15] <ScottK> Actually I got an upload building sooner on powerpc than on armhf too.
[23:17] <ScottK> cjwatson: Would you please rescore calligra.  It's a longish build and I'd like to see it get started on arm/ppc since AFAIK it's not been built on those archs before.
[23:18] <ScottK> Plus, then I won't feel conflicted about accepting more of the rebuild uploads ....
[23:19] <cjwatson> ScottK: sure, bumped up a bit
[23:19] <cjwatson> hm, maybe a touch higher
[23:20] <ScottK> cjwatson: There is a non-rebuild usb-modeswitch in queue.  How about if you review/accept that one and I'll reject your rebuild only upload.
[23:20] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:20] <cjwatson> ah, sure, didn't notice that
[23:20] <doko> ScottK, cjwatson: calligra rescores done
[23:20] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:22] <cjwatson> cyphermox: hm, so I'm not totally comfortable with this
[23:22] <cjwatson> cyphermox: strtok mutates its first argument, and getenv typically returns a pointer straight into environ
[23:22] <ScottK> Are lpia ppa builders permanently gone?
[23:23] <cjwatson> cyphermox: you should really strdup the return value of getenv before calling strtok on it
[23:23] <cjwatson> ScottK: we can reassign x86 builders to lpia temporarily
[23:23] <ScottK> Probably not worth the trouble.
[23:23] <cjwatson> I do it in batches occasionally
[23:24] <ScottK> OK.  It'd be nice to know if the clamav upload I just did for hardy to the ubuntu-clamav PPA will build on lpia.  It'll have to eventually ...
[23:24] <ScottK> No rush though.
[23:24] <cjwatson> cyphermox: So not comfortable with this as it stands and rejecting, but it should be OK if you add a strdup/free pair
[23:25] <ScottK> cjwatson: Should I accept your rebuild then or assume he'll be back before release?
[23:26] <cjwatson> ScottK: Happy to assume he'll be back
[23:26] <ScottK> OK.
[23:27] <cjwatson> ScottK: There are a couple of lpia builders there now.  I'll rebalance again later
[23:27] <ScottK> I think my flight's about to board, so I'll likely vanish in a few minutes.
[23:27] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:27] <cjwatson> Safe travels
[23:27] <ScottK> LP claims a 6 hour wait for the lpia buildd.
[23:27] <ScottK> I wouldn't wait up for it.
[23:28] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:29] <ScottK> All the rebuilds accepted.
[23:33] <cyphermox> cjwatson: ah, sure. I didn't think of that


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 I tried Catanta in 17.10 and I like it too
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[09:59] <acheronuk> still use baloo?
[10:40] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:41] <Tonio_> long time no see (maybe 5 years...)
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:07] <santa_> acheronuk: apparently this upload https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs4support/5.38.0-0ubuntu2 wasn't pushed to git
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 Santa ok. I'll push, or sync changes later if I no longer have the cloned repo
 Thank you
 evidently kio-gdrive is on neon LTS, so is it released, and do we have it?
 answered in support chan, thanks rik
 no probs
 could maybe have gone in, but was an extra that lost out
 there isn't enough time in the day or enough helpers to get everything done
 is is uploaded to Debian?
 hmmm, I've been subbed to Bug 1719825
 and the other flavors are piping up saying "fine with me"
 should I as well?
 the bug says it's in our supported, but seems a false positive as I can't find it
 so I see no reason to object
 ok
 @acheronuk could you also push your plasma work to kubuntu_artful_backports branches?
 @Santa, I'm -1 because those might get respins therefore making those branches invalid
 @Santa, I was planning to in the next few days. Do not think there will be any git changes that need packaging changes, but was just witing to make sure major KDE tarball and git changes were unlikely
 *changes
 @acheronuk, This
 @tsimonq2, That's absolutely not an excuse.
 @acheronuk, Even if they are tarball reeditions that's not a problem.
 @Santa, Yes it is, he didn't push to the main staging branch, did he?
 @Santa, I disagree.
 You can disagree as much as you like, not pushing that just hinders teamwork.
 Also that's not the way we were working so far.
 @tsimonq2, There isn't any 'main staging branch'
 Ok. stop. as said, I was planning to push it to a backports branch very soon.
 Please do
 @acheronuk, It was an experiment yesterday to see if anything  had changed after staging the beta.
 on a technical point, I worked off kubuntu_stable, so I did push any changes to that. I just did not create new branches quite yet
 but I am happy to do so
 You can also restore your local kubuntu_stable's if you whish to do so
 (the reason why I'm asking is that I'm doing now some test rebuilds related to autopkgtests, the sooner I start with the new plasma, the better)
 pushed to _artful_backports
 @Santa, great
 What about drkonqui and plasma-vault?
 Seems they are nee tars in this release.
 * new
[19:30] <acheronuk> yes, they are :/
[19:32] <clivejo> do we have a list of new packages to get into BigBum Baboon?
[19:33] <clivejo> maybe Simon can get to work on them when archive opens
[19:33] <acheronuk> plasma-vault is new (was in the beta). drkonqui, Harald split out from plasma-workspace
[19:34] <acheronuk> 'get to work'? if we have them ready, they will just need MOTU upload
[19:35] <clivejo> well yes
[19:35] <clivejo> I use the word work loosely
[19:35] <acheronuk> sorry. just nit picking on phraseology
[19:37] <acheronuk> while people are here.... drkonqi needs a rdep/recommends on something until it;s in a new release seed/meta
[19:37] <acheronuk> so do that for plasma-workspace in artful_backports?
[19:37] <acheronuk> @Santa ^^
 What is that dep/recommends?
 @Santa, drkonqi was part on plasma-workspace, so at the moment it won't get installed on upgrade to those testing packages. so maybe a temp 'recommends' on plasma-workspace is good?
 Ah I get it
 in future we would have it as part of reccomends of our desktop meta package I assume
 as the whole point of splitting it out was that it was a weird thing to have in -workspace, and it should be seperate
 Makes sense.
 A temporary recommends sounds good.
 we could backport a meta package for the backports, but for simple continuity the recomemnds on -workspace is simpler
 @Santa, indeed
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[12:38] <cortman> hi hobgoblin
[12:39] <hobgoblin> hi cortman
[12:39] <cortman> In the words of Zaphod Beeblebrox, to business!
[12:39] <hobgoblin> :)
[12:39] <cortman> You mentioned creating a discussion thread for the CLI thread?
[12:41] <hobgoblin> oh yea - the plan is to have discussion threads for wiki's as you know - you have a  reason why we can't do one for your thread/wiki ?
[12:41] <hobgoblin> run your thinking by me :)
[12:42] <cortman> Well, I was thinking since the thread was already there, and had more or less a structure and a way people have contributed to it
[12:42] <cortman> maybe just put a note at the top, and leave it open?
[12:43] <cortman> But hey- whatever is forum policy, I'll go with.
[12:43] <cortman> The master index on the thread could be removed
[12:43] <hobgoblin> policy is to close and let people talk in discussion and edit wiki
[12:43] <cortman> And a link put to the wiki page.
[12:44] <hobgoblin> have you seen what we have been doing in tute?
[12:44] <cortman> I haven't dropped by in a bit
[12:44] <hobgoblin> I'll get you a link
[12:44] <cortman> OK I'm seeing some there
[12:45] <hobgoblin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1460472 and it's partner in crime http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12062098#post12062098
[12:46] <cortman> Sure- but since mine isn't a support thread, do you think that's still the best way to do it?
[12:46] <hobgoblin> nothingspecial: what did we end up doing with the lost thing?
[12:46] <hobgoblin> cortman: I understand
[12:47] <hobgoblin> might be that the way to do it would be stick the discussion and links in ABT in place of the original and move that to tutes'n'tips
[12:47] <nothingspecial> I think I wikied and closed it with the stuff you wanted
[12:47] <hobgoblin> was it left where it was ?
[12:47] <hobgoblin> or was that the jailed one?
[12:47] <nothingspecial> I was going to anyway, not sure if I did now, hang on
[12:49] <hobgoblin> I guess the best thing would be to have cortman's discussion thread stuck in ABT
[12:49] <cortman> OK, that sounds reasonable
[12:49] <hobgoblin> in this case we want it visible to people tunring up
[12:51] <cortman> That was kind of what I was thinking- if I may I'd still like to suggest keeping the old posts and simply renaming/ deleting some thread info.
[12:51] <cortman> Otherwise it'll be pretty empty for a while, likely
[12:51] <cortman> But I'll go with whatever y'all decide.
[12:51] <nothingspecial> yea, it is in general help hobgoblin
[12:52] <hobgoblin> nothingspecial: closed? if so I would just leave it there
[12:52] <nothingspecial> yeah closed, with the op edited and the closing post
[12:52] <hobgoblin> cortman: but then how many posts - and do you have any idea how much of a pain it is to remove some posts ... ;p;
[12:52] <hobgoblin> nothingspecial: k - cheers :)
[12:52] <nothingspecial> amjjawad has even posted in the discussion thread
[12:53] <nothingspecial> :)
[12:53] <hobgoblin> yea I saw - when I see him editing the wiki ... ;)
[12:53] <cortman> nope no idea hobgoblin - so I guess do whatever y'all think would be best/easiest.
[12:53] <hobgoblin> easiest is to do what we have been doing :)
[12:53] <cortman> a wiki is a terrific place for the lost
[12:53] <hobgoblin> yep
[12:53] <cortman> that thread was mind boggling, but the wiki page is really nicely done
[12:54] <hobgoblin> cortman - is the first post in your thread up to date ?
[12:54] <cortman> yes hobgoblin
[12:55] <hobgoblin> ok
[12:55] <hobgoblin> how about this then - copy first post to new thread - call that the discussion of the wiki and stick it, close the old one and link to new thread and wiki
[12:56] <cortman> copy my first master index post to a new thread?
[12:56] <hobgoblin> yep - and make that the discussion and stick it
[12:56] <cortman> I thought we wouldn't want the master index there
[12:56] <cortman> Because that index is what the wiki page is replacing
[12:57] <hobgoblin> I'm just trying to help you as you've been helping us lol
[12:57] <cortman> lol
[12:57] <cortman> Ok
[12:57] <hobgoblin> I know that - but no-one can edit the master anymore :)
[12:57] <hobgoblin> other than staff
[12:58] <cortman> My thought was to move people's posts with suggestions- since often they give a comment or two on the resource they suggest- and make a new first post
[12:58] <cortman> Kind of the opposite
[12:58] <cortman> But if we can't do that, I'd just as soon just make a brand new thread and close the old one.
[12:58] <hobgoblin> yea  - I'd not be wanting to do that really
[12:58] <cortman> OK
[12:58] <cortman> it'll be easy then. :)
[12:58] <cortman> You can just close it and start a new sticky, linking to the closed thread.
[12:59] <hobgoblin> ok
[12:59] <cortman> But here I am telling you how to do your job. lol
[12:59] <hobgoblin> LOL
[12:59] <hobgoblin> shouldn't worry nothingspecial does it all the time :p
[12:59] <cortman> hahaha :)
[12:59] <nothingspecial> only coz he needs telling
[13:00] <nothingspecial> you keep it up cortman
[13:00] <cortman> haha. This is true nothingspecial
[13:01] <hobgoblin> cortman: k - see new sticky
[13:02] <cortman> Looks good hobgoblin
[13:03] <cortman> Can I say something about still contributing to that thread if people are unable/unwilling to edit wiki pages?
[13:06] <hobgoblin> in the discussion one ?
[13:06] <cortman> Yessir
[13:06] <hobgoblin> yea - that is what it's for :)
[13:06] <cortman> I'll make the first post on the discussion thread, then
[13:07] <cortman> thanks for all the help hobgoblin :)
[13:07] <hobgoblin> thanks for all the work cortman :)
[13:07] <cortman> lol
[13:07] <hobgoblin> I'm serious :)
[13:08] <hobgoblin> all of you that have been working away are doing great work
[13:08] <cortman> So am I. :) Now I know how all the poor thread authors feel about their threads being brutally moved, wikified, and closed. :P
[13:09] <hobgoblin> :)
[13:09] <hobgoblin> blame joeb
[13:09] <cortman> The page turned out much nicer than I expected. Very pleased.
[13:09] <cortman> lol
[13:09] <hobgoblin> it does look good :)
[19:19] <hobgoblin> IAmNotThatGuy: so are you going to be joining with this :)
[19:20] <hobgoblin> if you see threads that would make good wikis add them to the list https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pages%20For%20Import
[19:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> well, my machine's lifetime is over hobgoblin
[19:21]  * cortman sobs
[19:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> RAM, motherboard and processor dead
[19:21] <hobgoblin> that's no excuse :)
[19:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> and I am not having enough money to buy new one. So, no way to get internet often :[
[19:22] <cortman> try an old machine IAmNotThatGuy
[19:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> hence no contribution these days :"[
[19:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> cortman, I have to spend money for my family (Mom and dad)
[19:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> Do, can't do any savings "|
[19:23] <cortman> Right IAmNotThatGuy ; good for you in that case
[19:24] <cortman> But you can pick up a great machine for about $80 USD on ebay or thereabouts.
[19:25] <hobgoblin> cortman: that depends on where you live and how much people generally earn :)
[19:26] <cortman> granted hobgoblin - typical self centered american :)
[19:26] <hobgoblin> lol
[19:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> hobgoblin  +100000000000
[19:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> cortman, :P
[19:27] <cortman> :P at both of you guys. lol
[19:28] <IAmNotThatGuy> xD
[19:29] <cortman> where are you from IAmNotThatGuy ?
[19:30] <IAmNotThatGuy> India
[19:33] <cortman> ah
[19:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> aye
[19:36] <hobgoblin> night
[19:40] <IAmNotThatGuy> night for piskie.
[19:40] <IAmNotThatGuy> Oh wait. It's 1:10 AM here. I also should go and sleep :|


[18:05] <Neil770> hello could anyone help me with stacks on netbeans please
[18:08] <Neil770> is there anyone that can help me please im really stuck


[09:52] <teddy-dbear>  Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[20:17] <dzho> just so
[20:28] <waltman> indeed