[00:06] <databits> anyone have any experience installing and configuring zenoss ?
[00:09] <databits> would appreciate if someone could help me out with this zenoss configuration
[00:09] <databits> I'm pretty sure I have it installed but it is not configured correctly
[00:09] <databits> I tried going to the webportal and tomcat page is showing
[00:58] <databits> can anyone help me out with zenoss please
[00:59]  * RoyK can't
[01:11] <dclake> I'd be interested in zenoss as well
[01:14] <grr> Hi, just installed ubuntu server on old hardware, ok. but on reboot, no video. holding shift gets me grub boot, then e for edit, what might I try to get video back?
[01:15] <grr> that was 10.04
[01:17] <grr> anyone?
[02:12] <qman__> grr, try the nomodeset option
[06:03] <kaushal> hi
[06:03] <kaushal> can some one please guide me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-November/004806.html ?
[06:15] <kaushal> checking in again for the query ?
[06:31] <overrider> Id like to setup my 10.04 server to be my lan's router / firewall, connecting to the net via adsl / pppoe. Which of the many tools to use to configure the routing / firewalling part? Shorewall, guarddog, plain netfilter / ipchains? This Server has no GUI. Thanks for suggesting any simple but solid tool(s)...
[07:03] <kaushal> Anybody around here ?
[07:09] <k-rad> if you dont mind me asking, no help for this in #ubuntu it seems, i've got ubuntu enterprise cloud selected, my node however is not setup, and i will be using that .50/mo amazon cloud what i'm unsure of is which of the cloud computing selections at the top of sudo tasksel i will need, should i select everything except for node controller ?  could you run sudo tasksel yourself and lend me a hand at those top packages ?
[07:09] <k-rad> this is from sudo tasksel
[07:23] <BuenGenio> hello are there any builds of Dovecot 2 for ubuntu?
[07:35] <kaushal> checking in again for the query
[09:39] <Cromulent> I'm banging my head against a wall here I followed this tutorial on 10.04 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixAmavisNew but no matter what I do no email messages seem to come back with the X-Spam-Status header set by Spamassassin
[09:40] <skwashd> trying in here ... it seems more appropriate than #ubuntu
[09:41] <skwashd> i've got a 64 bit ubuntu lucid server which was upgraded 2 weeks ago from jaunty to karmic and today it was upgraded to lucid
[09:41] <skwashd> the box is hanging at the point when udev should be starting
[09:41] <skwashd> kernel options at just rootdelay=60 to deal with timeout errors
[09:42] <skwashd> no splash or quiet options
[09:42] <skwashd> virtual consoles aren't functional at this point either
[09:43] <skwashd> i forgot to mention ... the box is a dell PE r200
[09:44] <skwashd> i manually upgraded the filesystem to ext4 ... made no difference
[11:30] <SAngeli> with a running server if I plug-in a serial device to the server (fax/modem) will it be detected or in order to do so the fax/modem must be connected and powered on before I power on the server?
[13:56] <kaushal> hi
[13:56] <kaushal> collectd: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[13:56] <kaushal> what does type of file mean ?
[14:00] <SAngeli> with a running server if I plug-in a serial device to the server (fax/modem) will it be detected or in order to do so the fax/modem must be connected and powered on before I power on the server?
[14:57] <eagles0513875> bug 670246
[14:57] <eagles0513875> :)
[15:03] <k-rad> good day all
[15:03] <k-rad> could use your assistance, as you may be more skilled at this than the average desktop user.
[15:03] <k-rad> need failover for link aggregation to wlan0 and speed tweak recommendations   i am willing to pay anyone $10 if they can solve it for me :)  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10080308#post10080308
[15:08] <eagles0513875> k-rad: are you running this on an ubuntu server server
[15:09] <k-rad> eagles0513875, no sir, i'm using 64 bit ubuntu desktop
[15:09] <eagles0513875> ask in #ubuntu channel this is more for the server side of ubuntu
[15:09] <k-rad> i tried ubuntu cloud enterprise last night, and fsck wanted to run on a readonly filesystem.  broke my heart.  i have amazon ec2 services free for 1 year, with a 50 cent charge fee for that
[15:10] <k-rad> thank you eagles0513875
[15:10] <eagles0513875> welcome k-rad
[15:11] <k-rad> last night when i tried ubuntu cloud enterprise, i installed it via sudo tasksel on a 32 bit ubuntu desktop system.  none of my fstab entries were read-only, however, i never got past the ubuntu splash screen
[15:11] <k-rad> it wanted fsck on a read only filesystem. :(
[15:12] <eagles0513875> O_o
[15:12] <eagles0513875> not sure i never tried the could computing feature
[15:12] <eagles0513875> might end up doign that if i get my hands on another server
[15:13] <_zoom_> am preparing svn and apache server for our php developers, i need tool allow them to upload and test their codes, any ideas?
[15:15] <jz_> Hi everyone, I am trying to add mydns to load when my system boots.  Can anyone help me with this, please?
[15:16] <eagles0513875> _zoom_: i think for svn to commit to it a user needs an ssh key
[15:16] <eagles0513875> !svn | _zoom_
[15:16] <eagles0513875> !info svn
[15:16] <eagles0513875> _zoom_: let me find the documentation for ya
[15:17] <ScottK> eagles0513875: The package is subversion
[15:17] <eagles0513875> !subversion | _zoom_
[15:17] <eagles0513875> that link might provide you with some insite :)
[15:20] <_zoom_>  ubottu: am looking for a tool that helps developer to upload codes into apache server
[15:21] <qman__> I suggest using sftp/scp built into ssh
[15:21] <qman__> if you don't trust your devs, you can chroot them
[15:21] <k-rad> eagles0513875, have you ever used amazon EC2 service before ?
[15:23] <k-rad> eagles0513875, if its something you'd like to implement on a spare box, i'd love to get feedback from you on how to use amazon EC2 in order to supplement the computing power of a ubuntu desktop (i may run a web server here too)
[15:23] <eagles0513875> well right now im debating if i am going to build a 2nd machien and turn my current desktop into a server or not
[15:23] <eagles0513875> still havent quite understood the purpose of cloude computing and what exactly it does
[15:24] <qman__> in my personal opinion, it's a very niche thing
[15:24] <qman__> if you're struggling to find a use for it, it's probably not for you
[15:24] <k-rad> eagles0513875, http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2010/10/free-ubuntu-server-for-year-at-amazon.html
[15:25] <eagles0513875> qman__: i just dont understand what its purpose is
[15:25] <qman__> high availability virtual appliances
[15:25] <k-rad> i've used their services, but happened to have a spare email, and a sip number to my room for authentication, for 1 year, max they'll charge is .50 cents/mo.
[15:25] <eagles0513875> qman__: like virtual machines
[15:26] <qman__> yes
[15:26] <qman__> the benefit to the cloud system is that it handles distributing it across hardware automatically
[15:26] <qman__> if you have lots of VMs and lots of hardware, it makes your life easier
[15:26] <eagles0513875> humm something i might have to consider once i get a 2nd machine and will allow me to reformat and re do my server
[15:26] <qman__> you no longer have to pick which server to put your next VM on
[15:27] <qman__> it's very cool tech, I won't knock it for that
[15:27] <k-rad> eagles0513875, if that is a project you'd consider engaging in, i'd love to be your buddy because i actually have a spare box that could contribute as a computing resource node for my primary box, and to be able to use those amazon EC2 computing services to maximize performance on my main machine, would be totally awesome
[15:27] <qman__> but "cloud computing" has become a huge buzzword
[15:27] <qman__> don't get sucked into thinking you need one just because it's the next big thing
[15:27] <k-rad> qman__, is it anything like openmosix used to be ?
[15:28] <qman__> openmosix was quite different
[15:28] <eagles0513875> qman__: can do more with less so to speak
[15:28] <qman__> openmosix would allow you to split one big load over multiple machiens
[15:28] <qman__> cloud doesn't
[15:28] <k-rad> openmosix is something i'd like to accomplish with a spare box, facilitating resources to my main primary desktop.
[15:28] <qman__> it only allows you to distribute lots of loads across machines
[15:28] <eagles0513875> k-rad: your thinking of clustering
[15:28] <k-rad> using ubuntu.  is that possible ?
[15:28] <eagles0513875> which is used for rendering 3d animations for instance
[15:28] <k-rad> eagles0513875, indeed i am.  i'd love to do that with ubuntu
[15:29] <eagles0513875> me 2
[15:29] <qman__> cloud is only useful if you are running lots of separate VMs
[15:29] <eagles0513875> i might be able to get my hands on some old p2s
[15:29] <eagles0513875> qman__: im really considering splitting upmy server across multiple vms
[15:29] <k-rad> eagles0513875, and it'd be even greater, if we could add the amazon over the net resources to whatever it is we use our computers for.  for me, its my personal desktop
[15:29] <qman__> if you have one heavy project you want to distribute, you probably want a beowulf cluster
[15:29] <eagles0513875> atm one server running everything from mysql to apache and eventually email
[15:29] <eagles0513875> qman__: haha ya im on that mailing list
[15:30] <eagles0513875> k-rad: distributed computing
[15:30] <k-rad> i only run 1 vm and that is for windows 7 and itunes.  itunes for a rare track here and there, and thats it.
[15:30] <qman__> of course, the cost of powering a bunch of PIIs is a lot more than just buying a sempron that can outperform the lot
[15:30] <k-rad> and audiobooks
[15:30] <k-rad> its got audible.com
[15:30] <eagles0513875> qman__: true but i can get them for free from one of my lecturers lol
[15:30] <eagles0513875> brb switching to desktop
[15:31] <qman__> openmosix was a very cool idea, it's a shame that it died off
[15:31] <qman__> that's what most people think of when they are told about "the cloud", but that's not what it is
[15:31] <k-rad> qman__, i've got a dual core pentium-d presler clocked stock at 3.4ghz, it has gigabit ethernet, and 4gb of ddr2 800 memory and a 320GB drive.  can i cluster that to my primary desktop ubuntu box for additional power awesomeness
[15:31] <eagles0513875> qman__: does ubuntu server contain the necessary clustering software like mpi and other things
[15:31] <eagles0513875> im on a core2 quad q9550 at 2,83 ghz
[15:32] <qman__> documentation is scarce on it
[15:32] <qman__> last I looked into it, all the info was several years out of date and inconsistent
[15:32] <eagles0513875> humm qman__ would it be possible to put together a team to possibly create an ubuntu server clustering version
[15:32] <eagles0513875> qman__: if im not mistaken there is mp2
[15:32] <eagles0513875> mpi2
[15:32] <eagles0513875> thats replaced
[15:32] <eagles0513875> brb on desktop
[15:32] <qman__> the projects are there but implementing it on ubuntu is some kind of voodoo that no one wants to share
[15:33] <k-rad> qman__, why do you suspect that is ?
[15:33] <qman__> a documentation project on it is a good idea
[15:33] <eagles0513875> qman__: i think i have k-rad and u but i bet i can drum up support from the beowulf mailing list
[15:33] <eagles0513875> lots of experts
[15:33] <qman__> not enough people doing it, I guess
[15:33] <eagles0513875> beowulf cluster has lots
[15:33] <eagles0513875> brb on desktop
[15:34] <k-rad> wonderful eagles0513875 could you make a post, and forward a few relevant clustering for ubuntu emails that would be what i needed to know, and have you email them to me ?
[15:35] <k-rad> to what aim is ubuntu enterprise cloud different and similar to linux clustering ?
[15:36] <eagles0513875> qman__: i would like to see if there is interest in an ubuntu  derived clustering version
[15:36] <k-rad> hi eagles0513875
[15:36] <eagles0513875> k-rad: back
[15:36] <k-rad> wonderful eagles0513875 could you make a post, and forward a few relevant clustering for ubuntu emails that would be what i needed to know, and have you email them to me ?
[15:36] <k-rad> to what aim is ubuntu enterprise cloud different and similar to linux clustering ?
[15:36] <eagles0513875> k-rad: dont have any off the beowulf list
[15:37] <k-rad> wouldn't it be cool if you could do ubuntu clustering on ubuntu enterprise cloud if amazon EC2 does actually provide processing, resources power to a host
[15:37] <eagles0513875> ?
[15:37] <eagles0513875> kinda lost me on that one
[15:37] <k-rad> eagles0513875, might you be able to post one, and email me back and see if you hear anything ?
[15:37] <eagles0513875> qman__: coudl i use the cloud in conjunction with vbox for instance
[15:38] <eagles0513875> k-rad: i would join the list cuz that way you can explain better its free to join
[15:38] <eagles0513875> qman__: i mean phpvbox
[15:38] <k-rad> i'll do that thank you
[15:38] <eagles0513875> welcome
[15:38] <eagles0513875> ill see u on the list :)
[15:38] <qman__> clustering uses multiple hardware devices to accomplish a single task with more power
[15:38] <k-rad> how much is canonical support through email for 3 days ?
[15:38] <qman__> cloud just manages lots of virtual machines efficiently
[15:38] <eagles0513875> qman__: can i use the cloud with phpvbox for instance or would i have problems
[15:39] <qman__> I don't really know what phpvbox is, so I can't say
[15:39] <qman__> but, for example
[15:39] <eagles0513875> its the web based front end of virtualbox
[15:40] <qman__> that probably wouldn't work
[15:40] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:40] <qman__> I'm pretty sure UEC uses KVM as the backend
[15:40] <qman__> so you'd need a KVM/qemu compatible frontend
[15:41] <qman__> but don't take my word on that, I don't know for sure
[15:41] <eagles0513875> !cloud
[15:42] <eagles0513875> does the bot have any links
[15:42] <qman__> !uec
[15:42] <qman__> maybe not
[15:42] <qman__> !kvm
[15:42] <eagles0513875> i still have yet to understand why ubuntu doesnt support xen
[15:43] <eagles0513875> even though its still in debian repos
[15:43] <qman__> well, they simply got behind KVM
[15:43] <qman__> for better or worse, that's what happened
[15:44] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:44] <highvoltage> anyone is welcome to maintain xen in universe though
[15:44] <eagles0513875> isnt kvm more software based like virtual box
[15:44] <qman__> KVM takes advantage of hardware virtualization but doesn't necessarily require it
[15:44] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:44] <qman__> though it's much slower without it
[15:44]  * eagles0513875 is learning alot today
[15:45] <qman__> unfortunately the only machine I have to toy with virtualization which has hardware support is my laptop
[15:45] <qman__> this desktop is an older chip, 939 opteron
[15:45] <eagles0513875> only one is my monster desktop im on atm
[15:46] <eagles0513875> 775 core2 quad here
[15:46] <eagles0513875> i think might build myself a new i7 desktop and make this one a server
[15:46] <eagles0513875> and try out uec
[15:46] <qman__> I have a phenom II box, but that one's "The Windows Box"
[15:47] <eagles0513875> i have 2 drives on this pc
[15:47] <eagles0513875> 500gb win 7
[15:47] <eagles0513875> 2tb lucid
[15:47] <eagles0513875> now i see why they went with kvm
[15:47] <eagles0513875> easier for users to work with
[15:47] <qman__> xen was quite a headache if you didn't know what you were doing
[15:47] <qman__> but with the same kind of effort, they could have made it user friendly
[15:47] <eagles0513875> ya tell me bout it
[15:48] <eagles0513875> im wondering if i could work wiht the xen-tools team on that
[15:49] <eagles0513875> gah i hate flash
[15:49] <qman__> agree
[15:49] <jz_> Can anyone please help me add mydns to start on system startup
[15:49] <qman__> it uses 100% of a core on this machine just to watch youtube videos
[15:50] <qman__> jz_, you could just add it to rc.local, and it'd work, but it wouldn't be the _right_ way
[15:50] <qman__> I think update-rc.d still works
[15:50] <eagles0513875> qman__: flash is crashing firefox left right and centr and i have a number of tabs open with it
[15:51] <eagles0513875> lol woohoo viva 24% ram usage out of 8gb
[15:51] <qman__> eagles0513875, I stopped using firefox because it single-handedly dragged my entire system to a crawl, with flash and java both disabled
[15:51] <eagles0513875> tbh i can live with it maybe cuz i have 8gb of ram on my system but im glad that at least apple isnt using flash any more
[15:52] <qman__> it wasn't about RAM, it introduced significant UI lag
[15:52] <qman__> my whole computer is leagues faster now that I use epiphany and chromium
[15:54] <jz_> qman__: why wouldn't it be the right way?
[15:54] <qman__> jz_, because it doesn't really install it as a service, it just runs it once at boot
[15:54] <qman__> it's a hack
[15:54] <qman__> if that's okay with you, go ahead
[15:55] <jz_> I'd rather add it as a service if possible
[15:55] <qman__> I know how to do it with sysvinit, but I don't know upstart that well
[15:55] <qman__> so with lucid, I'd have to do a lot of reading
[15:56] <qman__> pretty sure upstart still runs sysvinit style scripts, so you could still do it that way
[15:57] <eagles0513875> anyone try mysql workbench?
[15:57] <qman__> put the script in /etc/init.d/, then update-rc.d to set it
[15:57] <eagles0513875> on lucid or otherwise?
[15:58] <SAngeli> can someone please advice me on a good artice for setting up a solid, stable and reliable NAS server under ubuntu server? I need an alternative to the nice work FreeNAS has done because I also need to install Hylafax and am unable to do so under FreeNAS
[16:00] <qman__> SAngeli, if you're using something like iSCSI that's outside my expertise, but simple things like samba or NFS file sharing I can do
[16:01] <qman__> the first place you should always check is the ubuntu server guide
[16:01] <garymc> Could anyone help me create a cron job?
[16:01] <SAngeli> I need to setup a RAID 1 and then iSCSI. but to start I wish to find a well detailed article on how to set up a NAS server, get RAID up and running, check health of the RAID, set up alarms if RAID fails,.. Then I will look for iSCSI article
[16:02] <qman__> SAngeli, RAID is built into the partitioner, quite easy to set up
[16:02] <jz_> qman__: thanks for your help.  it worked
[16:02] <qman__> as for emails on failure, I don't know if they're in there by default but it's also not that hard to set up
[16:03] <SAngeli> I have been looking for a detailed article on Internet and did not find any.
[16:03] <qman__> though I did notice when I set a RAID up in the partitioner on a 10.04 install recently, it installed postfix
[16:03] <SAngeli> I wish first need to read and understand the steps
[16:03] <SAngeli> as for FreeNAS that tells you all about it so I can read and discern
[16:04] <qman__> well, FreeNAS is very single-purposed, where ubuntu server is more general purposed, so a comprehensive guide for that particular setup is going to be harder to find
[16:05] <SAngeli> yea, I noticed this.
[16:05] <qman__> for RAID information, see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html
[16:05] <SAngeli> is it reliable and stable?
[16:06] <qman__> ubuntu in general? yes, as long as you stick to LTS versions
[16:07] <qman__> lucid has most of the bugs worked out by now
[16:07] <SAngeli> is it a good idea to install webmin on top of it?
[16:07] <qman__> no
[16:07] <qman__> !webmin
[16:07] <eagles0513875> webmin from what i have red has lots of security vulnerabilities
[16:07] <SAngeli> ok
[16:08] <SAngeli> is there a GUI or WEB application that help an admin to manage the server, see RAID status, ...... ?
[16:08] <eagles0513875> SAngeli: there is commandline mdadm that will help u with raid stuff
[16:08] <eagles0513875> !mdadm
[16:08] <SAngeli> ok
[16:08] <SAngeli> got it
[16:08] <eagles0513875> ok wait
[16:09] <eagles0513875> thats not right bah qman__ help whats the command line command to check raid isnt it mdadm or somethign like that
[16:09] <SAngeli> I will tray with ubuntu server and command line all the way through. Hope I will be able to manage it
[16:10] <qman__> mdadm is the command tool, but checking RAID status is done by doing `cat /proc/mdstat`
[16:10] <SAngeli> this will be a production server for storage. Hope will be able to accomplish as FreeNAS outcome
[16:10] <SAngeli> the end result is that it works
[16:10] <eagles0513875> qman__: thanks :) havent messed with mdadm in a while and i wasnt sure if that was right
[16:11] <qman__> while I don't use iSCSI, I've been using ubuntu as a file server for over two years
[16:11] <qman__> raid6 + hot spare
[16:11] <SAngeli> did you interface it with vmware and/or Active Domain windows server?
[16:11] <qman__> it emails me SMART info and mdadm warnings
[16:11] <qman__> no, it's just a simple file server
[16:11] <SAngeli> I see
[16:11] <qman__> samba and NFS
[16:12] <SAngeli> I believe I do not have to go through vmware for using it with other servers.
[16:12] <eagles0513875> qman__: might need you to help me setup something like that
[16:12] <SAngeli> is samba used to interface my NAS with Active Directory of microsoft windows server?
[16:12] <eagles0513875> SAngeli: yes
[16:13] <SAngeli> ok
[16:13] <SAngeli> I will be doing some more readings
[16:13] <eagles0513875> to interface or have any file sharing capabilities with linux samba is what you need
[16:13] <eagles0513875> linux to linux you need NFS
[16:13] <qman__> reminds me, I need to upgrade my router
[16:13] <qman__> it's running jaunty, which reached end of life about a week ago
[16:13] <eagles0513875> lol qman__using ddwrt?
[16:13] <SAngeli> qman__, could you also be so kind to identify for me, just because you already know, the correct articles for enabling "email SMART info and mdadm warnings" ?
[16:13] <eagles0513875> wtf what router are you running where you can run ubuntu server on it and what do you have configured on it
[16:14] <qman__> SAngeli, best place to start is postfix in the server guide
[16:14] <qman__> I configured one mail server to use gmail, I can link an article in a bit
[16:14] <qman__> and then I configured the rest of the servers to use that one as a smarthost
[16:14] <SAngeli> ok
[16:15] <qman__> eagles0513875, it's an athlon X2 4050e with four NICs
[16:15] <eagles0513875> qman__: will you help me with that cuz im having issues with postfix
[16:15] <eagles0513875> oh a desktop you turned into a router
[16:15] <SAngeli> postfix or sendmail would be similar, right? qman__
[16:16] <qman__> sendmail is, in my opinion, archaic and difficult, and it is also not a supported mail server
[16:16] <qman__> postfix and exim are the ubuntu-supported options
[16:16] <SAngeli> would it be sufficient to use a 4GB HD for ubuntu server, raid functionality for two SATA HD, fax server and mail server?
[16:16] <qman__> yes
[16:16] <SAngeli> it is a SSD HD IDE HD
[16:16] <SAngeli> ok, thank you
[16:16] <qman__> a stock ubuntu server install is only going to use ~800MB
[16:16] <qman__> I would recommend at least 2GB
[16:17] <qman__> but as for the mail server
[16:17] <SAngeli> qman__, if you remer or know of any good link for server setup please MSG me please I will keep in mind and read it. I wish to have some good articles as guidance. I plan on installing ubuntu server 10.10 x64 as server
[16:17] <qman__> I used gmail but any way you have your mail server sending email is fine
[16:17] <qman__> the 'client' servers, the ones forwarding mail to it, are very easy to set
[16:18] <SAngeli> qman__, mail servre will not store emails. It is just for the server itself and perhaps as SMTP server. nothing else
[16:18] <qman__> just choose 'smarthost' option when installing postfix, and point it to your real mail server
[16:18] <qman__> I recommend against using 10.10, as it is not an LTS version and will reach end of life very quickly
[16:18] <qman__> use 10.04.1 LTS instead
[16:19] <eagles0513875> qman__: will you help me out when i get back
[16:19] <qman__> sure
[16:19] <eagles0513875> with dovecot+postfix config
[16:19] <eagles0513875> dovecot works postfix dont for me
[16:19] <SAngeli> I never understoo this. why when you someone tries to dowload server it only gives you 10.10 rather than 10.04.1 LTS?
[16:19] <eagles0513875> i can recieve incoming email but not send any outgoing form my server
[16:20] <SAngeli> qman__, what is the reason for being 10.10 the Latest versino? What is the purpose of posting it? Can I understand?
[16:20] <qman__> SAngeli, on the download page (here: http://www.ubuntu.com/server/get-ubuntu/download ), you have to click the drop-down and choose 10.04
[16:20] <eagles0513875> not sure what im doing wrong qman__ im following the wiki tutorials on how to configure them
[16:20] <qman__> 10.10 is cutting edge, newest versions of software
[16:21] <qman__> for a production environment, not usually the best choice
[16:21] <SAngeli> qman__, sure. I noticed. but will it become later on LTS?
[16:21] <qman__> 10.04 will have longer support and will stick to mager versions
[16:21] <qman__> no
[16:21] <qman__> ubuntu's release cycle is every 6 months
[16:21] <qman__> the LTS releases are every 2 years
[16:21] <SAngeli> so what is the correct discernment?
[16:22] <qman__> what you're looking for in a system
[16:22] <SAngeli> let's say I install 10.10 What would happend in 1 year from now?
[16:22] <qman__> if you want the latest and greatest versions, and you don't mind bugs or updating frequently, you want the regular releases
[16:22] <SAngeli> I see
[16:22] <qman__> if you want a more stable platform that changes less frequently, you want the LTS versions
[16:23] <qman__> example, 9.04's support ended a couple weeks ago
[16:23] <qman__> that was a non-LTS version
[16:23] <SAngeli> I see
[16:23] <qman__> but 8.04's support is continuing for quite a while yet
[16:23] <qman__> because that's an LTS version
[16:23] <qman__> even though it's a year older than 9.04
[16:23] <SAngeli> so, what will happend when 10.04.1 LTS will end support? Will 10.10 be the next version?
[16:23] <qman__> no
[16:24] <qman__> the next version to 10.04 LTS will be 12.04 LTS
[16:24] <qman__> direct upgrade
[16:24] <SAngeli> ok
[16:24] <qman__> and there will be plenty of support overlap between the two versions
[16:24] <qman__> lots of time to test and perform the upgrade
[16:25] <SAngeli> so, what is the purpose of releasing 10.10 or other releases without LTS? Just for testings?
[16:25] <qman__> testing, less demanding situations, and using newer cutting edge software
[16:25] <SAngeli> last question: when you say: "using newer cutting edge software" you refer to the OS or to the applications?
[16:26] <qman__> both
[16:26] <qman__> 10.04 shipped with certain major versions of software
[16:26] <qman__> over the course of the support cycle, those major versions will not change, only the minor versions and security patches
[16:26] <SAngeli> so, if I wish to install the latest version of hylafax as an example I could endup not being able to do so with 10.04.1 LTS ?
[16:27] <qman__> yes, depending on how old the latest version is
[16:27] <qman__> and whether or not it's backported
[16:27] <qman__> for example, 8.04 LTS used PHP 5.2
[16:28] <qman__> the main repositories still run 5.2 on 8.04, they did not upgrade to 5.3 because there are major functional changes
[16:28] <qman__> they simply run the latest security updates to 5.2
[16:29] <qman__> since 10.04 is not that old, right now the discrepancies will be very narrow if at all
[16:29] <SAngeli> this is what ubuntu port says: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=maverick&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=hylafax-server   this is what Hylafax says: http://www.hylafax.org/content/Download   ubuntu is at 6.0.4  Hylafax current release is version 6.0.5.
[16:29] <qman__> but 10.04 will not continue to get the latest versions of everything
[16:30] <qman__> well, that search is for maverick, which is 10.10
[16:30] <SAngeli> I see, what is the port for 10.04.1 LTS?
[16:31] <qman__> the latest version for 10.04 is 2:6.0.3-5.1ubuntu1
[16:33] <qman__> so looks like 6.0.3 with ubuntu specific patches
[16:34] <SAngeli> wow even older
[16:34] <SAngeli> if I would need anyway latest release 6.0.5 what would I need to do?
[16:36] <qman__> you would have to add hylafax's repository to your system
[16:37] <qman__> they have 6.0.5 on there
[16:37] <qman__> as instructed here: http://code.highrise.ca/apt/
[16:37] <qman__> you'd add the following line to your sources.list
[16:38] <qman__> deb deb http://code.highrise.ca/apt/ lucid hf-6.0
[16:38] <qman__> err
[16:38] <qman__> deb http://code.highrise.ca/apt/ lucid hf-6.0
[16:41] <SAngeli> so not a bit issue
[16:41] <SAngeli> I see
[16:41] <SAngeli> qman__, I wish to thank you for now for all the answers you provided me with.
[16:41] <SAngeli> I will think and read a bit about what we discussed.
[16:41] <qman__> note that doing so would not be supported by ubuntu, you'd have to rely on hylafax for updates and help with that version
[16:41] <qman__> no problem
[16:41] <SAngeli> If I need additional help I will aks further.
[16:41] <SAngeli> take care now.
[16:42] <SAngeli> :-)
[16:57] <k-rad> anyone here have experience using the oslr package in ubuntu ?  i was told it would solve my bonding failsafe fallover problem
[16:57] <k-rad> and i realize thats unrelated to servers, though perhaps, sometimes utilized ?
[16:58] <k-rad> there are no ubuntu how-to's on OSLR
[16:58] <k-rad> and no useful posts on ubuntuforums.org
[17:20] <amarcolino> Hi can someone suggest ways fo me to identify what is going on my network, denyhosts keeps blocking localhost and the machines I use for ssh, I would like to find out what causes it to trigger a block, the log gives no information on why the machine(s) keep getting blocked
[17:44] <eagles0513875> hey guys im back
[18:00] <ehcah> Anyone out there prefer Ubuntu Serer to pre-packaged NAS like OpenFIler or FreeNAS or unRAID?
[18:07] <eagles0513875> k/j workbench
[19:11] <eagles0513875> qman__: hey you busy right now
[19:47] <cjmaynar_> hey, so this question isn't really specific to ubuntu server, more in regards to servers in general. i own a domain, and i've setup a subdomain on it to forward to home home ip address, from there i've got my server running. It's all good and swell, except for after i go to home.domain.com it directs me to jsut my ip address. i was wondering how to go about keeping the subdomain/domain in the url?
[20:03] <databits> hey does anyone here know of a good webbased irc client I can embed on my website ?
[20:03] <databits> I was thinking flash would probably be the best route for this
[20:09] <eagles0513875> databits: there is the one of freenode you can imbed i think
[20:09] <eagles0513875> i think its qwebirc
[20:19] <databits> well I am trying to find one a client that will load up with no security issues on the browser but is really cool at the same time
[20:19] <databits> ya dig
[20:19] <databits> ;)
[20:22] <eagles0513875> databits: thats the only one i know of and recommend
[20:23] <eagles0513875> there is also a java based irc web chat forgot what its called
[20:23] <databits> what language based is the qwebirc ?
[20:28] <eagles0513875> not sure
[20:28] <eagles0513875> databits: ajax based irc
[20:28] <eagles0513875> http://qwebirc.org/
[20:38] <eagles0513875> databits: woudl that work for ya
[20:42] <databits> working on configuring the client right now
[20:42] <databits> I'm about to find out
[20:42] <databits> :)
[20:42] <databits> thanks
[20:44] <_Techie_> databits, qwebirc is python based
[20:44] <_Techie_> and very astheticaly pleasing
[20:44] <_Techie_> i have one hooked up to my BNC and its never failed me
[20:50] <databits> cool shit
[20:50] <databits> ok how do I go about compiling the files ?
[20:50] <databits> this compiling is all new to me
[20:50] <guntbert> !language | databits
[20:51] <guntbert> !enter | databits
[20:51] <databits> sorry
[20:52] <databits> •Run compile.py to generate the HTML, minify the Javascript/CSS and copy everything to the correct locations | this is what the documentation is stating | I'm not sure how to go about doing this task
[20:52] <guntbert> databits: :)
[20:53] <_Techie_> start with python compile.py
[20:53] <databits> ok looks like I need to install twisted first
[20:53] <_Techie_> and then move it to where you feel comfortable having, eg ~/qwebirc/ or /etc/qweirc/
[20:54] <databits> is this going to be running off my webserver or is this going to be a seperate instance ? also should I be able to do a "sudo apt-get install twisted" ?
[20:55] <_Techie_> it will run in a seperate instance as it has its own built in webserver that works extremely well
[20:55] <databits> allrighty cool
[20:55] <_Techie_> if your feeling daring, you can also use libapache2-mod-proxy to map it to a sub domain
[20:56] <_Techie_> that way you can have it use SSL
[20:56] <_Techie_> and be accessible behind restrictive firewalls
[20:56] <eagles0513875> _Techie_: is that how you do subdomains with apache or could you do aliases or that wont really work if you want a subdomain
[20:57] <_Techie_> eagles0513875, if i have something that maps to a port, i use the apache proxy module to have  subdomain to transparantly redirect traffic inside my network or over loopback
[20:58] <eagles0513875> ahh
 for right now I just want to get everything up and running
[20:58] <eagles0513875> databits: use tab to complete a name
[20:58] <eagles0513875> type in da then tab to complete yoru name
[20:58] <eagles0513875> or eagl then tab to complete mine
[20:58] <eagles0513875> it bring up the txt ur sending to that person in red
[20:59] <_Techie_> eagles0513875, colour depends on client
[20:59] <databits> what is the rename command ?
[21:00] <_Techie_> mv
[21:01] <databits> Bareword "config" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. Bareword "py" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. Bareword "txt" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
[21:01] <databits> what does this mean ?
[21:02] <_Techie_> no clue
[21:02] <_Techie_> i would suggest you start using google
[21:23] <clayd> how do make it so that when someone uploads a file via FTP the file gets permisions for the user and the group.  For example on a web server.
[21:29] <databits> the file should automaticly take the default permissions for the user that the ftp is logged in by
[21:29] <databits> or do you have anon loggin enabled ?
[21:33] <clayd> no i am using a user.  but you have pointed me in the right direction.  I was thinking it was vsftpd.  How do i set the default permission for a user?
[21:36] <clayd> so this is wierd.  when i creat a file from the command promt is gets the permissions 644 but when i upload one over ftp it gets 600
[21:36] <clayd> i cant figure out what is causing this difference
[21:59] <TeTeT> clayd: check the docs for vsftpd and see how to set the umask for new uploads
[22:00] <clayd> just fnding that.  but thank you.
[22:00] <databits> sorry I was in the other room | I had kinda a similar issue | I used ACL to take care of my problem
[22:01] <clayd> wha is ACL?
[22:14] <RoAkSoAx> w/in 7
[22:20] <databits> clayd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list
[22:57] <data_bits> warning: hg: unable to execute (using a random id). I changed some options in the config file of the ircd-ircu so I can access the config engine from a remote machine instead of the default default host
[22:57] <data_bits> I tried to recompile the software and it is giving me that error "warning: hg: unable to execute (using a random id)."
[23:04] <data_bits> does anyone have any idea's with this issue ?
[23:08] <osmosis> any suggestions on how I could get help with this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/668042
[23:13] <osmosis> It would be nice if launchpad had a bounty system.


[01:00] <LjL> please, review the behavior of LoRez vs sebsebseb calling the ops. i don't think that was appropriate.
[01:00] <IdleOne> LjL: agreed
[01:01] <IdleOne> but in his defense I can see how he made the mistake
[01:01] <LjL> it wasn't a mistake, judging from the discussion that followed
[01:01] <Flannel> Who?
[01:01] <LjL> LoRez.
[01:01] <IdleOne> lorez jumped on sebsebseb for calling ops
[01:01] <IdleOne> he was a little rude about it
[01:02] <IdleOne> but the flooder was also using the !ops trigger
[01:02] <Flannel> IdleOne: You going to talk to LoRez?
[01:02] <IdleOne> if you like I can
[01:03] <LjL> also perhaps i might suggest setting +r for a while?
[01:05] <Flannel> Howdy vect, what can we do for you today?
[01:08] <LjL> please
[01:08] <LjL> can we have +r?
[01:08] <Beyecixramd> hey guys
[01:08] <vect> Flannel: I want to know if Ubuntu can operate my refrigerator
[01:08] <Beyecixramd> can't you just shut down the support channel?
[01:08] <vect> wow
[01:09] <vect> does Ubuntu power ubottu?
[01:09] <Beyecixramd> (02:09:07) pepee: just filter the word anontalk...
[01:09] <Beyecixramd> that's very smart
[01:09] <Beyecixramd> make anyone saying that word automatically kicked and banned
[01:09] <Gryllida> ubottu spamming in #ubuntu ?
[01:09] <Flannel> Beyecixramd: you can't do that in IRC
[01:09] <Flannel> Gryllida: Not quite
[01:10] <IdleOne> vect: this is not a support channel.
[01:10] <marienz> Beyecixramd: so you're saying he should've been banned for making that suggestion? :)
[01:10] <vect> idle: unban me in #ubuntu
[01:10] <vect> you know, the ban you set 3 weeks ago
[01:10] <IdleOne> vect: no
[01:10] <vect> why?
[01:10] <Beyecixramd> marienz: no, i'm saying that anyone using that word (AnonTalk) be autobanned in the channel
[01:10] <vect> i've been banned 3 weeks
[01:10] <Beyecixramd> Flannel: and sure you can.  Think about it :)
[01:13] <Beyecixramd> marienz: just for today
[01:13] <Beyecixramd> and ban them for 1 hour or so
[01:14] <Beyecixramd> but it's just a suggestion
[01:16] <LjL> are you sure +q $~a without +r is a good idea?
[01:16] <LjL> that means users can join, but can't talk
[01:16] <LjL> with +r instead they get redirected to -unregged which has instructions for registering
[01:17] <Beyecixramd> seems like the spammer is off
[01:17] <Flannel> Mmm, I was just going to modify the topic, but I suppose I shouldn't assume people read topics anyway
[01:17] <Beyecixramd> Flannel: i do
[01:17] <Beyecixramd> Flannel: unless they're gigantic
[01:17] <IdleOne> Beyecixramd: most don't
[01:18] <IdleOne> Beyecixramd: #ubuntu-bots-devel if you wan't to help improve the bots
[01:18] <Beyecixramd> IdleOne: wow, how many channels related to ubuntu are there? :) and... i know nothing about programming
[01:18] <IdleOne> !irc
[01:19] <IdleOne> Beyecixramd: a lot
[01:19] <Beyecixramd> wow, that's a big list :)
[01:20] <IdleOne> Beyecixramd: i don't mean to be rude but if there is nothing else can you please part this channel. There is a no idling rule. Thank you
[01:21] <Beyecixramd> IdleOne: i understand, no you're not being rude, bye
[01:39] <LjL> i'm going to bed. remember to remove the +r and +q $~a later, huh :P
[01:40] <LjL> also, note "nag" in -monitor makes the bots tell the users in -unregged to register
[01:40] <LjL> night
[01:40] <Flannel> Hi smerz, how can we help you?
[01:41] <smerz> oh you cannot sir :)
[01:41] <smerz> I just spoke with LjL about an anti spam/flood system
[01:41] <Flannel> smerz: Alright, what brings you to this channel then?
[01:42] <smerz> LjL will look at it tomorrow. and yeah until then if allowed I would like to idle :)
[01:44] <smerz> i'll have to go anyway
[01:44] <smerz> good night
[02:36] <dasu> hello I can't talk in #ubuntu
[02:36] <dasu> -!- #ubuntu Cannot send to channel
[02:39] <Seeker`> @search dasu
[02:39] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[02:41] <dasu> what
[02:41] <Seeker`> no idea :/
[02:41] <dasu> im confused now lol
[02:42] <Seeker`> I can't find any bans or mutes that would stop you
[02:42] <dasu> -!- 0 - #ubuntu: ban $~a [by Flannel!~flannel@ubuntu/member/flannel, 5577 secs ago]
[02:42] <dasu> what does that do?
[02:42] <dasu> never heard of it, it doesnt look "right"
[02:43] <bazhang> #ubuntu is +r
[02:43] <Seeker`> dont know
[02:43] <Seeker`> aha, it would appear I'm not awake :P
[02:43] <dasu> it isn't +r, i can join it fine
[02:43] <Flannel> it's +r as well
[02:43] <Flannel> Actually, we can probably remove all of that now
[02:50] <dasu> can talks now
[02:50] <dasu> :D
[03:22] <IdleOne> Seeker`: reason why he couldn't send to channel was he is not registered and with the +r that was blocking him
[03:34] <Flannel> Meh
[03:40] <IdleOne> back to +r?
[03:40] <Flannel> IdleOne: If it happens again, if it's just a single it'll create more trouble than its worth
[03:40] <IdleOne> k
[03:40] <IdleOne> Flannel: just in case you aren't around. /mode +r
[03:41] <Flannel> IdleOne: Yep
[03:41] <IdleOne> k
[06:19]  * ikonia fumes at abhi_nav
[06:32] <jussi> looks like you guys had a fun night
[07:52] <Flannel> Meh.
[07:52] <jussi> hrrr
[07:53] <jussi> sigh
[07:54] <IdleOne> set +r
[07:55] <KB1JWQ> Ugh.
[07:57] <jayne> how do they get ubottu to spam?
[07:57] <Flannel> !test | hi jayne, this is a custom message
[07:58] <IdleOne> by using the !ops | text trigger
[08:14] <IdleOne> it is like nobody cares about even bothering to try and stay on topic. Seems like as soon as an off topic questions comes along everybody and their mom has an answer
[08:14] <mneptok> i like cheese.
[08:15] <IdleOne> noms
[08:18] <jussi> I like breadcheese... with cloudberry jame
[08:19] <jussi> jam
[08:19] <jussi> breadcheese, otherwise known as "squeakycheese"
[08:27] <IdleOne> #u is set +r. need to "nag" in -ops-monitor now and then to let the users in -unregged know why they can't join. Good night
[10:09] <ikonia> howdy rww
[10:09] <rww> G'day. It appears that v4ntager in #ubuntu is a factoid bot of some kind. See its most recent message in the channel, plus this, which I got when I replied to it:
[10:09] <rww> 0208 -v4ntager(~v4ntager@loft4610.serverloft.com)- Sorry rww, I don't know what 'what' is.
[10:09] <ikonia> lets see
[10:10] <ikonia> version responds as a bot
[10:10] <rww> I can't figure out what triggered it to speak in-channel, though
[10:10] <rww> but hey, that works. thanks
[10:10] <ikonia> it's forwarded here - I guess we'll find out
[10:11] <ikonia> what a surprise it's run from serverloft
[10:11] <ikonia> I thought there was a ban on serverloft
[10:11] <ikonia> it's not joining here - so I guess it's owner isn't watching
[10:12] <ikonia> rww: for your interest www.r1ch.net
[10:15] <ikonia> doesn't seem to be responding to any of the default bitchbot commands
[10:16] <rww> looks like it might have responded in-channel to messages with multiple ??. That's the only thing I can see in common the times it spoke in my scrollback
[10:16] <ikonia> got it working now :)
[10:17] <ikonia> nah, I have it responding properly
[10:18] <ikonia> v4ntager, useradd test admin
[10:19] <rww> some random question ending in an overuse of punctuation ???
[10:19] <ikonia> v4ntager, useradd test admin
[10:19] <rww> aww, there goes my hypothesis :(
[10:19] <ikonia> it's responding in pm but not in public
[10:19] <ikonia> v4ntager, adduser test admin
[10:19] <v4ntager> Only users with access level ADMIN can add users.
[10:19] <ikonia> there we go
[10:19] <ikonia> v4ntager, dellallfacts
[10:19] <rww> haha
[10:19] <ikonia> :)
[10:20] <ikonia> all sorted now, good eyes rww
[10:21] <rww> np. thanks for your time :)
[11:30] <Jungli> hia
[11:31] <Jungli> hiaa
[11:31] <Jungli> hiaaa
[11:31] <gnomefreak> Jungli: may i help you?
[11:31] <Jungli> hiaaaa
[11:31] <gnomefreak> 7 days is not over yet
[11:31] <Jungli> lol where is ikonia ?
[11:31] <Jungli> and bazhang
[11:31] <Tm_T> Jungli: why asking?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> most likely sleeping
[11:32] <Jungli> i wnat to disturb them while sleeping
[11:32] <Jungli> :P
[11:32] <gnomefreak> Jungli: please /part
[11:32] <Jungli> i hate you all
[11:33] <gnomefreak> this 7 days is going to get longer
[11:34] <gnomefreak> good now hes yours tsimpson, he has done nothing but complain and get banned but hes yours now thanks
[11:35] <tsimpson> he hasn't started harassing me, yet
[11:35] <gnomefreak> give him time. and i think the "i hate you all" includes you this time :)
[11:36]  * gnomefreak spent 3 or days ina  row giving him every out i could to not get banned but was getting close
[11:36]  * tsimpson feels the love
[11:52] <gnomefreak> he didnt come back yet?
[11:53] <ikonia> no
[11:54] <ikonia> he's just idling on line
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:58] <gnomefreak> mark my words he will be back
[12:09] <LjL> hey, there is a guy in -unregged who i just can't manage to communicate with... anyone else want to try? or perhaps we can just invite him in #ubuntu? (although if i can't communicate with him, it's likely #ubuntu can't either)? direct to -arabic?
[12:15]  * gnomefreak out drs. appointment
[12:16] <LjL> good luck
[12:17] <gnomefreak> thanks
[12:31] <LjL> hey guys i'm sort of going again any best practices, but registering on behalf of this guy, who is giving me the password he wants, his email and all. i didn't ask for that though, he just did it :| but i don't think he'd manage to do it himself, or understand me if i explain he shouldn't give me passwords
[12:37] <Slart> gothenburg in #ubuntu might need some attention.. he/she is trying really hard to be annoying
[12:37] <Tm_T> Slart: thanks
[12:37] <Slart> you're welcome
[12:37] <Tm_T> I'll PM him if noone didn't do already
[12:37] <LjL> quite definitely a troll ya
[12:38] <Pici> julian?
[12:38] <Tm_T> ?
[12:39] <Pici> LjL: Is that the person?
[12:39] <LjL> Pici: the one in -unregged you mean? it's "iraq"
[12:39] <Pici> oh, hm.
[12:40] <LjL> Pici: i think i've managed to make him register now anyway, although i doubt he'll ever remember how to identify
[12:40] <LjL> also, made a really stupid blunder.
[12:41] <Pici> LjL: Okay, only asking because someone else who is only in -unregged pm-ed me a moment ago.
[12:42] <LjL> oh i see. dunno about julian. anyway situation resolved, he's in #ubuntu. now good luck to anyone trying to understand what he says ;)
[12:46] <Tm_T> nope, gothenburg didn't listen, I'll remove him if he makes one more
[13:07] <bazhang> whoa subsequently he said rt<fine>M and noob, missed that
[13:17]  * elky checks the moon phases.
[13:44] <ikonia> iraqi was a problem testerday
[13:45] <bazhang> yep. same IP though between Iraq and Iraqi
[13:46] <ikonia> yes
[13:46] <ikonia> spammers back in #freenode, are we still +r
[13:46] <ikonia> I assume so based on ljl's comment
[13:46] <Pici> yes
[13:47] <ikonia> excellent
[13:47] <marienz> ikonia: the spammers never really leave #freenode for very long these days
[13:47] <bazhang> nope not +r
[13:47] <marienz> ikonia: I wouldn't base your decision to keep #ubuntu +r purely on #freenode getting the occasional spam :(
[13:47] <bazhang> oh whoops my bad
[13:47] <ikonia> marienz: been a few in #ubuntu recently too,
[13:48] <bazhang> lubuntu has a supported iso for Lucid?
[13:48] <ikonia> yes
[13:48] <Pici> sort of
[13:48] <bazhang> hah
[13:48] <ikonia> may as well start supporting it now, as it's not going to go away, so lets get onboard with it
[13:48] <bazhang> from lubuntu.net
[13:49] <ikonia> should be on the ubuntu.com site
[13:49] <ikonia> (in my opinion)
[13:49] <bazhang> I concur
[13:49] <Pici> Theres a lubuntu-desktop package in the repos, but I don't think that the iso itself is officially supported.
[13:49] <Pici> Hence, sort of.
[13:57] <jpds> It's not on releases.ubuntu.com
[13:59] <bazhang> he's been told before when he was "joking" about saying Heil Hitler to Germans how awful that was
[14:02] <Pici> rocket16: Thanks for joining.
[14:02] <rocket16> Hello
[14:03] <rocket16> Pici: My pleasure,
[14:03] <rocket16> So, is the use of the term "nazi" offensive?
[14:03] <Pici> rocket16: This is the second time in the past few days that you have been told that.
[14:04] <rocket16> Pici: Oh, Ok. Sorry.
[14:04] <Pici> rocket16: nazi/hitler jokes are NOT okay, in any Ubuntu channel.
[14:04] <rocket16> Pici: Ok, sorry, :(
[14:07] <rocket16> Pici: Have I been quited?
[14:08] <Pici> rocket16: Yes.  I will remove the quiet, but if this happens again, it won't just be a quiet. Okay?
[14:08] <rocket16> Pici: Ok, :(
[14:09] <Pici> rocket16: You can talk now.
[14:09] <rocket16> Pici: Thanks, :)
[14:09] <rocket16> Bye all,
[14:29] <bazhang> jungli seems to think its funny to PM people and waste their time, along with the numerous visits here. He openly admits to being a troll. not sure how he got his cloak back
[14:35] <elky> Usually it means they're easier to keep out of places.
[15:44] <IdleOne> think we can remove the +r now in #u?
[16:05] <Pici> Theres only one way to check
[16:14] <IdleOne> say %c is not what I wanted
[16:15] <IdleOne> :)
[20:46] <blendmaster1024> why am i banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[20:46] <mneptok> let's have a look
[20:47] <mneptok> @login
[20:47] <mneptok> pffft
[20:51] <mneptok> blendmaster1024: it seems for things like "wtf" and "that's what he said"
[20:51] <mneptok> and "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[20:51] <blendmaster1024> ....and is it permanent?
[20:51] <mneptok> !coc | blendmaster1024
[20:52] <mneptok> !guidelines | blendmaster1024
[20:52] <mneptok> please read those and let me know when you have finished.
[20:52] <blendmaster1024> ...i've read them many times...
[20:53] <mneptok> then why this?
[20:53] <mneptok> 2010-06-28T18:11:00 <fr1sco> someone swallow already
[20:53] <mneptok> 2010-06-28T18:11:11 <blendmaster1024> fr1sco, that's what he said
[20:53] <mneptok> if you understand the guidelines, you would not say such things.
[20:54] <mneptok> you have been banned 4 times in the past 2 months for language in -offtopic
[20:54] <blendmaster1024> ...each time for "wtf"
[20:54] <blendmaster1024> iirc
[20:54] <mneptok> and yet you keep doing it.
[20:55] <mneptok> why is that?
[20:55] <blendmaster1024> it's the only place i'm not supposed to use it
[20:55] <blendmaster1024> everywhere else, "wtf" is not a swearword
[20:56] <mneptok> weak exzcuse. see my paste above.
[20:56] <blendmaster1024> even in religious places it's allowed and even common
[20:56] <mneptok> -z
[20:56] <mneptok> the snippet above does not contain "wtf"
[20:56] <blendmaster1024> not saying it's an excuse, you asked why i kept doing it and i'm telling you
[20:56] <blendmaster1024> it's called habit
[20:56] <mneptok> why would you say something like that if you have read the IRC Guidelines?
[20:57] <blendmaster1024> .......
[20:57] <blendmaster1024> feh, i should probably find nicer people to hang out with anyway
[20:58] <mneptok> alrighty then
[21:19] <ikonia> sorry I missed him, just got in
[21:19] <ikonia> he wasn't actually banned for wtf - he agreed to stop that, he was ban forwarded here for flooding the channel with !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! before leaving, knowing it was wrong
[21:19] <ikonia> I didn't have time to update comment as I had a meeting then had to leave
[21:20] <ikonia> I'll talk to him as soon as he next logs in
[21:43] <funkyHat> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic project2501b general rudeness and remarks such as "tits or gtfo" "rule 34", calling people idiots
[21:50] <ikonia> +r now
[21:51] <funkyHat> It seems Nece228 is a persistent troll...
[21:51] <funkyHat> Or at least enjoys it from time to time -_-
[21:51] <ikonia> one word and he's gone
[21:52] <ikonia> gone on his own
[21:54] <topyli> it varies day to day. unstable
[21:54] <ikonia> I wonder why the spam doesn't hit -ot
[21:55] <Tm_T> not enough audience
[21:56] <ikonia> I guess
[23:08] <knome> anybody know "nunito" or "nuunito"
[23:09] <knome> seems to have sent a questionable email to the xubuntu ml and i wondered if he is known from IRC
[23:09] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2010-June/002465.html
[23:09] <knome> (i mean, that's totally irrelevant and flaming)
[23:43] <mneptok> knome: check the BT?
[23:49] <IdleOne> funkyHat: rule 34?
[23:50] <funkyHat> IdleOne: http://xkcd.com/305/
[23:51] <IdleOne> k
[23:58]  * h00k yawns
[23:58] <h00k> greetings


[08:16] <blaze> KDE Plasma 5.5.4 Has Fixes For Multi-Screen Users
[08:16] <blaze> do want
[08:19] <soee> blaze: package it :D
[08:20] <valorie> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.5.4.php & https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-15.12.1.php published
[08:21] <soee> valorie: yes, someone has to push it to start building
[08:21] <soee> clivejo: ^
[08:37] <soee> what was the fix for no sound issue ?
[08:42] <valorie> soee: add yourself to the Audio group
[08:43] <soee> valorie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup
[08:43] <soee> This command should not lists any normal user, in fact, everything except "pulse" (which is reserved for system-wide usage of PulseAudio, and is normally not used) is a cause for concern.
[08:44] <soee> and i have atm: audio:x:29:pulse
[08:45] <valorie> except that that's the fix that works
[08:45] <soee> ok, relogin beb
[08:47] <soee> valorie: running sudo addgroup soee audio
[08:47] <soee> i still have only dummy output
[08:48] <valorie> someone had that problem earlier in #kubuntu.... looking to see what he did
[08:48] <soee> strange all worked fine yesterday
[08:48] <soee> so some updates i made later chnaged it probably
[08:48] <soee> and this is Wily only here at work
[08:49] <valorie> ah, he had to restart pulseaudio
[08:49] <valorie> I wonder if just the restart of pa would do it
[08:51] <soee> valorie: did this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15223/how-can-i-restart-pulseaudio-without-logout
[08:52] <soee> and have sound back
[08:53] <valorie> without adding yourself to the audiogroup?
[08:53] <valorie> sec
[08:53] <soee> valorie: i did add myself before
[08:53] <valorie> ok
[08:54] <valorie> so we'll have to get someone else to test that out
[08:54] <valorie> restart pa
[08:54] <valorie> and see if that alone fixes it
[08:55] <soee> first of all why do this happen
[08:56] <valorie> "User-defined settings in ~/.pulse/ or ~/.config/pulse/ will override system-wide settings."
[08:56] <valorie> I wonder if those got changed somehow
[09:56] <sheytan> Guys, just a small info: when the tray icon shows updates available, it should get hidden right after the update is done. It doesn't and confusing that there are more updates. Please fix :)
[10:00] <valorie> sheytan: I agree
[10:00] <valorie> I've not had time to file the bug
[10:00] <valorie> you could, on bugs.kde.org.....
[10:01] <soee> Riddell: sheytan i reported this already
[10:01] <sheytan> soee: Great, thanks. Was about to :)
[10:01] <soee> one sec. maybe ill find bug report
[10:02] <soee> sheytan: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358018
[10:02] <soee> please comment and confirm :)
[10:03] <yofel> sitter: as overlord of all audio things. Do you have an idea what in frameworks or plasma would cause pulseaudio to only give a dummy output unless you're in the audio group?
[10:03] <soee> sheytan: the mantainer asked me once to ask others to verivy it and confirm
[10:04] <soee> yofel: could it be somehow related to kernel bugfix updte ?
[10:05] <yofel> maybe? I know very little about the audio stack, so I'm clueless
[10:05] <sitter> yofel: sounds more like a pulseaudio/systemd thing
[10:05]  * soee wonders if teh updates history can be checked somehow
[10:06] <yofel> /var/log/apt/history.log
[10:06] <valorie> I added my input; thanks soee
[10:07] <yofel> hm
[10:08] <soee> yofel: i think for me teh problem started after one of this updtes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14678203/
[10:08] <yofel> sitter: thanks for the input
[10:08] <yofel> could actually be considering that I didn't hit this right after updating plasma
[10:09] <soee> valorie: thank you
[10:10] <yofel> can't check my desktop history before friday. Interstingly my notebook isn't affected so far, just my desktop o.O
[10:10] <valorie> it worked badly for awhile, then worked
[10:10] <soee> yofel: smae here, but my laptop uses Xenial
[10:10] <valorie> so I was surprised after updates that it stopped working again
[10:10] <yofel> wily here, haven't updated my xenial notebook in a couple days
[10:11] <valorie> same here
[10:11] <soee> yofel: +1
[10:11] <valorie> too much going on.....
[10:11] <soee> ;)
[10:11] <vip> hi ho
[10:12] <vip> is there any way to change current window highlight colour on the taskbar?
[10:12] <soee> vip: maybe through System Settings -> Colors
[10:12] <soee> but this probably will be global change
[10:13] <sitter> yofel: actually it might be something else entirely to do with systemd or possibly not. I never quite figured out how these things work (might be cgroups or logind?) somehow you can get permissions to write to devices you from a unix permission perspective have no permission to write to
[10:13] <sitter> it's black magic as far as I am concerned
[10:13] <sitter> I am pretty sure that your problem is somewhere in the middleware though
[10:13] <yofel> right, I think pulse should have be on some ACL that gives it access, and suddenly it's not - but I don't know where to start looking :/
[10:18] <vip> soee: that was my first guess, but apparently not (changed all bluish to red, and restarted plasmashell), no change
[10:23] <soee> vip try asking on #plasma
[10:23] <soee> vip: i think this blue is bad choice, there is a lot of blue icons that are not readable when task item is highlighted
[10:26]  * valorie heads to bed....
[11:52] <soee> yofel: will you be abel to push 5.5.4 to build?
[11:52] <yofel> not before friday
[11:53] <soee> ok :)
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:27] <BluesKaj> made a major change to my 16.04 install, ppa-purged the ci-stable and the landing ppas ...was stuck in limbo with no kserver, which afiak doesn't actually exist on kde, but only the roll back could fix the mess....got too adventurous :-)
[13:28] <mamarley> And I thought I was being adventurous by leaving the staging PPAs enabled all the time O.o.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> I was using staging for a while ,bu someone warned me that the packages there were more unstable than any other ppas
[13:30] <BluesKaj> but
[13:33] <BluesKaj> always thought the proposed ppa was the most dangerous
[14:28] <sgclark> Hi folks, just home from conference. How are things?
[14:29] <yofel> still drowning in todo's as usual, and the only thing you really missed were the published backports
[14:30] <yofel> not much happened since then as I ran out of energy
[14:30] <sgclark> understand
[14:30] <yofel> nice to see you're back though :)
[14:30] <sgclark> I am still drained from travel, but will probably knock out the remaining merges to get that nasty to-do gone lol
[14:30] <sgclark> thanks :)
[14:31]  * clivejo wishes he could bottle energy from his puppy and ship it to yofel
[14:31] <yofel> yeah bummer. Sadly that's still sci-fi
[14:33] <clivejo> yeah, and nothing around here is safe from being chewed or scratched
[15:40] <soee> lol :)
[15:40] <clivejo> soee: you arent doing your job!!
[15:41] <soee> i logged in, and had plasma session and sddm-greater inside normal window
[15:41] <yofel> I've seen that happen with sddm-greeter (which really should not be possible), but not with plasma..
[15:42] <clivejo> yofel: is there something holding up staging plasma 5.5.4?
[15:42] <soee> brb, i'm going to setup new pone
[15:42] <yofel> clivejo: no
[15:44] <clivejo> oh thought the scripts are broken or PPA not ready
[15:47] <yofel> no, someone just has to stage it
[15:47] <yofel> someone other than me if you don't want to wait until the weekend
[15:49] <sgclark> I need to stop getting distracted from the darn merges :(
[15:49] <sgclark> shiny stuff is cool, but these seriously need to get done
[16:00] <soee> oh and now sound is gone on my laptop
[16:00] <soee> uhm
[16:05] <yofel> what annoys me the most about that issue is that it feels rather random :(
[16:08] <soee> i think hat some update might be the reason
[16:09] <soee> for example, yesterday all worked fine on my laptop and PC at work
[16:09] <soee> today both failed to load sound
[16:13] <BluesKaj> soee, lordievader says there's a bug after upgrading , the fix is to add yourself to the audio group
[16:14] <soee> BluesKaj: yes i know but also some Ubuntu Wiki page states that there should not be any user in that group except pulse
[16:15] <yofel> which is correct, adding yourself to audio is just a for some reason working workaround
[16:16] <BluesKaj> soee, intel-hda ?
[16:17] <soee> on laptop ?
[16:17] <soee> brb reboot
[16:19] <soee> back and again sddm-greater in window :)
[16:20] <soee> there is some serious issue with sddm
[16:23] <BluesKaj> soee, kserver not found ?
[16:23] <marco-parillo> Missing LightDM (especially the Guest login)
[16:23] <soee> BluesKaj: works fine this one
[16:25] <BluesKaj> I got that message yesterday on the laptop, ppa-purge was required, so i purged both the ci/stable and the landing ppas
[16:25] <BluesKaj> just installedn the 4.4 kernel ..it fixed a few issues with PIM/akonadi and akregator
[16:30] <soee> ;]
[16:32] <yofel> I was about to say "how's that even possible", but this is akoandi..
[16:33] <BluesKaj> yofel, well akregator wasn't launching , so i assumed it was PIM/akonadi related problem
[16:33] <yofel> your ppa-purge probably fixed that
[16:34] <yofel> and if that was what fixed it, then it was an akonadi issue indeed
[16:40] <BluesKaj> akregator wouldn't launch after the purge , but I hadn't rebooted yet
[16:50] <BluesKaj> yofel, you're correct about akregator/akonadi, just launched akregator on my laptop which was ppa-purged as well, but no linux 4.4 kernal installed on it yet.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> kernel even
[17:47] <soee> does kde connect worksfor you , can you browse files in dolphin?
[18:15] <soee> how can i list users in some group ?
[18:15] <soee> on previous session did killall pulseaudio and pulseaudio and after reboot have my sound back
[18:16] <soee> but i needed ~ 10 login attempts to be able to get into my session
[18:16] <soee> all this 10 times i had black screen for a moment with some messages and sddm back
[18:27] <acher88> soee: for e.g. audio group 'grep audio /etc/group'
[18:30] <mikkle> Does the installer for 16.04 daily work now?
[18:34] <acher88> soee: or install !members package?
[18:36] <soee> yeah so only pulse in audio group
[18:37] <soee> and my sound was restored without adding myself to that roup
[18:37] <soee> *group
[18:37] <soee> mikkle: no idea :) i'm on Xenial anyway
[18:37] <acher88> that's what I have on a machine that hasn't been changed since install
[18:39] <soee> brb have to jump to windows since i can't browse phone from dolphin :(
[19:14] <soee> back
[19:23] <clivejo> yofel: mind if I do a staging upload for plasma 5.5.4?
[19:23] <yofel> go ahead
[19:23] <clivejo> Ill need you to pause KCI later on
[19:24] <clivejo> but I need to do some laundry first
[19:25]  * yofel goes back to searching the net for a good way to find latin1 entries in an utf8 mysql DB
[19:33] <clivejo> yofel: whats that for?
[19:35] <yofel> clivejo: I have a database that somehow ended up with mixed encoding, and now some of the older data in it shows up with broken special characters in reports, which I have to fix
[19:36] <clivejo> oh work related?
[19:36] <yofel> yep
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> yofel:  what else got released in backports besides 5.5.3?
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> frameworks, right?
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> what version?
[19:47] <yofel> 5.18
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: can you review please: https://kubuntu.org/?p=2487&preview=true
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> you need to be logged in
[19:51] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I've added a new line, refresh
[19:52] <yofel> looks ~fine, maybe replace "to testers who hang out" "to all testers who helped out"
[19:53] <clivejo> hi ovidiu-florin
[19:53]  * clivejo waves
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> hello clivejo
[19:53] <clivejo> how are you keeping?
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: anything else?
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: work, home (more work here), sleep (repeat for ever)
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: do you also agree to the apology?
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I'm digging deeper in CMake right now
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> I'm kind of working on streamlining the KDE Android SDK
[19:56] <yofel> yes, mostly. I'm not sure if I like it, but I can't think of something better either. And something should be there
[20:00] <clivejo> yofel: staging script is failing
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> published: https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-5-3-and-frameworks-5-18-0-backported-to-kubuntu-15-10/
[20:00] <yofel> clivejo: pastebin please
[20:00]  * clivejo kicks discover
[20:00] <yofel> oh that
[20:00] <yofel> uhm
[20:01] <yofel> remove it from the list and do it by hand
[20:01] <yofel> that'll fix itself for 5.6
[20:02] <clivejo> can the script be rerun or do I need to clear out workspace directory?
[20:02] <yofel> latter
[20:03]  * clivejo grumbles
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I've had a better idea for the closing statement
[20:04] <yofel> remove the "with" at the end and it's great :)
[20:04] <yofel> thanks
[20:07] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: no need to name and shame us!
[20:07] <clivejo> just put the "team"
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: what with?
[20:10] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: "we had to tackle with" -> "we had to tackle"
[20:12]  * clivejo raises an eyebrow
[20:12] <clivejo> https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/ubuntu-rolling-release/
[20:13] <clivejo> rolling release ?!?
[20:14] <yofel> wrong title, there is a "devel" release alias which makes you permanently run the dev release
[20:14] <yofel> which is a rolling release in some sense
[20:17] <BluesKaj> in effect yeah, constant updates and upgrades testing the OS
[20:17] <clivejo> but its devel?
[20:17] <yofel> yeah, that's the only "rolling" thing we have
[20:18] <yofel> with all the proposed-migration QA we have these days it's not worse than running debian testing
[20:18] <yofel> so if people don't mind the occasional bug, it does the job
[20:30] <clivejo> yofel: I wont push the removal of plasma-discover?
[20:35] <clivejo> yofel: can you pause KCI please?
[20:38] <clivejo> or ovidiu-florin if you can
[20:39] <yofel> started it
[20:39] <yofel> wait for it to actually start though
[20:39] <clivejo> hummm why didnt it say here
[20:39] <yofel> there, took a while o.O
[20:39] <clivejo> that was weird
[20:39] <yofel> the button queues the build, it has to actually start to take effect
[20:42] <clivejo> ok done
[20:43] <claydoh> lol I commented on the 'rolling ubuntu' post, we'll see if it approved.
[20:49] <clivejo> plasma-workspace has some merge madness going on
[21:14] <clivejo> how do I manually grab discover tarball from depot?
[21:19] <Riddell> clivejo: wget http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.5.4/discover-5.5.4.tar.xz
[21:19] <clivejo> is it properly released?
[21:20] <clivejo> thought it was devel preview
[21:20] <Riddell> yes, I do plasma releases on same day for bugfixes
[21:23] <soee_> Riddell: whats sddm version Neon uses ?
[21:24] <clivejo> Riddell yofel: two patches for discover upstream_fix_crash_on_pkglist_refresh.diff & upstream_prevent_misleading_notification.diff
[21:25] <clivejo> is it safe to remove them?
[21:25] <yofel> drop
[21:25] <clivejo> both?
[21:25] <yofel> both
[21:25] <clivejo> :) done
[21:26] <soee_> they are in 5.5.4
[21:28] <clivejo> yofel: you keeping an eye on me?
[21:28] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.4_xenial.html
[21:29] <yofel> not really, just having IRC open in a corner of my screen
[21:29] <yofel> well, bottom edge really
[21:29] <clivejo> I think I have them all uploaded now#
[21:29] <clivejo> FFS!!
[21:30] <clivejo> fix one thing and break another!
[21:30] <yofel> I think those are mostly my fault?
[21:30] <clivejo> You're suspected of having broken merger_libkscreen
[21:31] <clivejo> yofel: did plasma 5.5.3 not get into the archive?
[21:31] <yofel> nope
[21:31] <clivejo> hummm
[21:31] <yofel> this week is A2 freeze anyway, so lets just get .4 done
[21:32] <soee_> "Ah, but anyone who prefers to use Muon Package Manager (not the Software Center or Updater) will be disapointed as it is not functional in 5.5.3 (have to use Aptitude instead)."
[21:33] <soee_> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110954078302330754910/posts/eCp1nkJn5vb
[21:33] <clivejo> soee_: you like breaking your system?
[21:33] <yofel> still waiting for a discover-compatible muon release
[21:34] <soee_> clivejo: what life would be when all would work just fine ... booring :)
[21:34] <yofel> otherwise someone would have to hack that into the muon package. Volunteers welcome
[21:34] <clivejo> soee_: plasma 5.5.4 is in staging :P
[21:34] <soee_> clivejo: it has red packages
[21:35] <soee_> and some are still building
[21:35] <soee_> so i'll wait for this 3 bulding atm. and test it than
[21:36] <clivejo> just discover as far as I can see
[21:36] <clivejo> I uploaded it, but its not showing
[21:36] <soee_> clivejo: can you remove plasma-discover - 5.5.3a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa7 from staging ?
[21:36] <clivejo> thats strange
[21:36] <soee_> clivejo: dicover is ready
[21:36] <clivejo> I uploaded plasma-discover - 5.5.4
[21:36] <soee_> in fact all are ust not published yet
[21:37] <soee_> clivejo: yes and its there: plasma-discover - 5.5.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1
[21:38] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+build/8904731
[21:38] <clivejo> but the status page doesnt seem to see it :/
[21:38] <soee_> status page is refreshed each 4 in i think
[21:38] <soee_> *4 min
[21:39] <yofel> 10 min
[21:39] <yofel> and it doesn't track Pending packages
[21:39] <soee_> clivejo: wil you start backport also ?
[21:40] <clivejo> soee_: I dont know how
[21:40] <clivejo> I dont know how to merge either :?
[21:40] <soee_> yofel:  ^ is it some complex process ?
[21:40] <yofel> not really, if you read kubuntu-batch-backport-git you see mostly what I did last time
[21:41] <yofel> currently that script is just a braindump, not something runnable, but it has the steps
[21:41] <clivejo> I want to learn how to merge, so I can help with apps
[21:42] <clivejo> who needs backports anyways :P
[21:42] <clivejo> rolling releases are the way forward
[21:42] <soee_> :)
[21:42]  * clivejo hides
[21:43] <yofel> go use arch you freakin' scumbag troll who doesn't care about users and ..
[21:43] <yofel> ok, back to serious mode
[21:44] <soee_> hmm, why launchapd is so slow with publishing builds ?
[21:44] <yofel> dunno, looks like the job like twice an hour or so these days
[21:44] <yofel> *runs like
[21:50] <Quintasan> how the hell do I stop pbuilder from running that adt magic, or at least how do I exit cleanly?
[21:51] <yofel> Quintasan: chmod -x the hook that runs it
[21:51] <yofel> latter I don't know
[22:06] <soee_> clivejo: smooth upgrade, rebooting now
[22:06] <soee_> brb
[22:07] <soee> and back
[22:08] <soee> clivejo: all fine :) great work on 5.5.4
[22:08] <clivejo> soee: good to hear
[22:12] <soee> clivejo: moving it to landing ?
[22:12] <clivejo> soee: does it fix your multiple screen issue?
[22:12] <acher88> staging-plasma?
[22:12] <soee> what issue?
[22:13] <soee> i do not use here multiple screens setup
[22:13] <clivejo> someone wanted 5.5.4 packages to fix a multi screen issue
[22:13] <soee> acher88: yes
[22:14] <clivejo> ah it wasnt you
 KDE Plasma 5.5.4 Has Fixes For Multi-Screen Users
[22:14] <acher88> will try those in the morning then
[22:14] <soee> acher88: +1 :)
[22:15] <clivejo> soee: Ill wait til yofel or sgclark give it the go ahead
[22:15] <soee> clivejo: oki
[22:15] <yofel> do a small update test by yourself in pbuilder or so, then copy it to landing
[22:15] <clivejo> dont want to mess things up or step on toes
[22:16] <sgclark> clivejo: testing now.
[22:17] <acher88> in that case I'll find my laptop and test now
[22:25] <acher88> that upgrade was nice and quick, and back into new plasma without any obvious initial probs
[22:27] <clivejo> does discover work?
[22:28]  * acher88 hangs head as usually uses synaptic
[22:28] <acher88> I'll try
[22:28] <soee> it works but for me it is messed up - design, some broken function - but this si upstream
[22:28] <clivejo> soee: what happens if there are upgrades to packages?
[22:29] <soee> happens where ?
[22:30] <clivejo> the update icon thingie-ma-bob
[22:30] <soee> this is not fixed in this version if you are talking about updates icon visible after install
[22:31] <clivejo> when is it to be fixed?
[22:31] <clivejo> .5?
[22:31] <soee> no idea, there is no fix for it yet
[22:32] <mamarley> Plasma 5.5.4 is working fine on the three systems I just upgraded.  Thanks clivejo!
[22:32] <soee> ! :D
[22:33] <soee> you ubottu dumb :)
[22:33] <mamarley> soee: I figure if I am going to break my systems, I might as well break them all at the same time! xD
[22:34] <soee> hihi :D
[22:35] <soee> ok, time to get some sleep. again clivejo: thanks for great work!
[22:38] <clivejo> thanks, but you should really thank upstream!
[22:38] <clivejo> I just run a script :/
[22:38] <acher88> yep, looks good :)
[22:39] <acher88> although I've 'discovered' that 'discover' just makes me want to run 'apt-get purge plasma-discover'
[22:39] <clivejo> I still dont like the icons
[22:40]  * clivejo changes back to 5.4 plasma theme
[23:31] <sgclark> clivejo: yofel: 5.5.4 looks good to me so far
[23:32] <sgclark> ugh, busy all day and accomplished nothing.
[23:34] <genii> I feel like that almost every day
[23:34]  * genii makes another pot of coffee and passes the mugs around
[23:34] <yofel> right? ^^
[23:34] <yofel> :D
[23:35] <sgclark> lol


[09:20] <mardy> Hi! Is it normal that after the removal of a snap, its services are still present in systemd ("systemctl show" can be used to show the properties, though "systemctl status" shows that the unit file is no longer there)
[16:35] <cachio> ijohnson, in the test is expects the install is donde
[16:35] <cachio> done
[16:35] <ijohnson> cachio: yes you have found a bug, what should happen is that we install the snap, but the default-provider is not installed
[16:35] <ijohnson> cachio: so we need to fix that bug in snapd go code
[16:35] <ijohnson> before this pr can be merged that is
[16:36] <cachio> nice, so the test is good
[16:36] <cachio> hehe
[16:38] <cachio> ijohnson, thanks for the confirmation
[16:42] <ijohnson> cachio: thank you for working on the test and finding this bug :-)
[17:30]  * cachio afk