[00:02] <sarnold> Matt55: aha; open() "/etc/nginx/sites-enabled/trunk_player.nginx" failed (2: No such file or directory) in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:62
[00:03] <sarnold> Matt55: try namei -l /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/trunk_player.nginx
[00:03] <sarnold> see if that gives you any hints
[00:03] <Matt55> but it does this when ever i try to update
[00:04] <sarnold> the idea is, we figure out what's broken, fix it, and then it'll probably update
[00:06] <Matt55> ~$ -l /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/trunk_player.nginx
[00:06] <Matt55> -l: command not found
[00:16] <sarnold> Matt55: heh, uh, looks like you missed the 'namei' in the front of the command -- try: namei -l /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/trunk_player.nginx
[00:21] <Matt55> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1220608
[00:35] <sarnold> Matt55: aha :) is your symlink pointing to the wrong thing? that's a long of trunk and player and - and _ and so on in one symlinkl
[00:41] <Matt55> Im not sure my linux knowledge is very little when it comes to linux
[00:42] <sarnold> Matt55: did you follow a guide on installing openmhz?
[00:43] <Matt55> yes
[00:43] <Matt55> that is working fine
[00:44] <sarnold> aha, cool cool. my guess is somewhere in that guide is an instruction on creating a symbolic link .. and my guesses are either (a) that you mistyped it or (b) they mistyped it :)
[00:44] <kill> could this update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python3 1             break anything in base ubuntu?
[00:45] <sarnold> kill: you probably want to apt install python-is-python3   instead
[00:45] <kill> sarnold did that now, thank you
[01:09] <winircuser-374> Good Evening Team has anyone worked with setting up a website with certificate SSL on Apache webserver ,I was able to get installed but now have to do the redirection from http to https anyone have any docs to point me at I did find one that uses the htaccess file but was looking for something in the apache2.conf file
[01:11] <sarnold> winircuser-374: quite a lot of the directives you would stick in an htaccess file should be able to work in the main config file, too; the apache docs website has little indicators to show which sections each directive will work in
[01:11] <winircuser-374> I did try the virtual hosts method but that didn't work for me
[01:11] <sarnold> winircuser-374: I don't work with apache often enough to just say how to do it, but it's probably a matter of stuffing the directives in your <location> or similar blocks
[01:12] <winircuser-374> thanks sarnold ill try one more time the virtual hosts method if failes then ill try the Htaccess method
[01:39] <winircuser-374> i was able to get the redirection from http to https using the apache.conf file with editing the virtual hosts section than restarting the apache daemon
[01:39] <winircuser-374> thanks for everyone help here
[01:40] <sarnold> woot
[01:43] <EtherMan> Hey, so I'm hoping you guys can help me with a network config issue on ubuntu-server 20.04. So I'm setting up a netplan config. I've set it up a default gw in table 800. I then set a routing policy for from <IP_ADDRESS>/24... Now, "traceroute -4 -s <IP_ADDRESS> www.google.com" works. But, "ping -I enp0s3 -4 www.google.com", does not. Which I find very odd, because enp0s3 has only 1 ipv4 IP, and that is <IP_ADDRESS>... And the output says it is using
[01:43] <EtherMan> that IP, which worked for traceroute. And it clearly thinks it has SOME route there since it gets timed out rather than no route to host or something... I'm so confused as to what is going on here... https://pastebin.com/aSkVLGQ4 is my yaml for netplan
[01:47] <sarnold> EtherMan: does 'sudo' change anything? it used to be setuid once upon a time..
[01:47] <EtherMan> Nope
[02:00] <sarnold> dang :( I wasn't really *happy* with the idea, but it's all I had :(
[02:00] <sarnold> EtherMan: my next step would be strace and hope to spot something. it's also not something I love..
[02:04] <marcos_> É o melhor sistema que já usei
[02:05] <sarnold> !pt
[02:05] <sarnold> hmm :( only nine people in the brazilian channel... oh well, worth a try all the same
[02:06] <EtherMan> sarnold: I'm suspecting "recvmsg(3, {msg_namelen=128}, 0)        = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)" has something to do with it...  But why woud it be unavailable?
[02:08] <sarnold> EtherMan: the recvmsg manpage gives two reasons for EAGAIN, and I think they both kind of mean the same thing -- no response packet, either yet, or before a timeout expired
[02:09] <EtherMan> Oh
[02:10] <marcos_> Yo hablo ingles
[02:12] <EtherMan> Hmm... tcpdumping gives me that there's no ping going out on the interface to begin with... So that's the reason for no response... But why isn't it going out >_<
[02:13] <EtherMan> Gaah... eff it... Time to simplify >_<
[02:14] <nahmed1> hi
[02:43] <neteng1198sp> Looking for some help automating the install process.  according to apache, its downloading the meta-user, user-data and vendor-data.  No idea if it is actually processing it though.  It eventually says [OK] Finished Execute cloud user/final scripts.  Then says [OK] Reached target Cloud-init target.  Then it sits at connecting… and I get the spinning wheel.  Thats it.
[05:00] <droid3> hey guys anybody know of any simple /easy to use font finder programs i can sudo apt-get?
[05:01] <droid3> What i am looking for is a simple program that identifies font familes/styles/size by a snapshot picture image of it.
[05:01] <droid3> Kind of like the color finders/choose programs but for fonts
[05:01] <droid3> Anybody have a sudo apt-get install line i can use ????
[05:12] <Bashing-om> !info fontconfig-config focal | droid3
[05:12] <katnis> !info stdio.h
[05:14] <droid3> Not understanding you on Bashing-om you got a sudo apt-get program-font-finder line i can use.
[05:15] <droid3> Also a curiousity if one want to in his program use this font finding ability what would be the libraries/api this is available in if one wanted to write his own font finding program
[05:15] <droid3> I would imagine it be in some OCR or computer vision library ?
[05:15] <Bashing-om> droid3: My hint was to look at "fontconfig-config" : ' apt show fontconfig-config ' see if that meets your needs.
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> !info fontmatrix
[05:16] <droid3> This is quite more challenging to implement then just a color chooser/finder the read the screen pixel rgba and tells you the results. you kind of need some ocr good api or something i imagine.
[05:22] <droid3> well i have Fontconfig and i have used it to create a few custom fonts back in the day but where in this program do you specify a picture and it identifies the font family/style/size from it?
[05:23] <droid3> Not sure how you where thinking about doing it with this fontconfig program.
[05:23] <droid3> Its a great program for customizing /making your own fonts,families converting from otf , ttf ,...and many other formats ...etc but identifying fonts from pictures ???
[05:23] <droid3> maybe i am missing something i probably am.
[05:25] <Bashing-om> droid3: No - you are not missing - my failure to realize the depth :(
[05:26] <droid3> huh care to elaborate
[05:27] <Bashing-om> droid3: No - I am not familiar enough with the tool, I should not have responded.
[05:44] <droid3> O ok well right at the moment i just looking for this neat OCR based program for fonts that i have heard exist from some.
[05:46] <droid3> One last odd question before computers where around what typefaces/font families where the actual typewritters for writters using???
[05:46] <droid3> I imagine when people bought a typewritter they had only one font the typewritter machine font that came with the physical typewritter machine.
[05:47] <droid3> But maybe later for writters and high end typewritters they came out with ways they changed out the typefaces.
[05:48] <droid3> Just a guess but until computers it seems more just one typeface based on your typewritter machine.
[05:48] <droid3> And the only people that had the ability to do many fonts / typefaces /styles...etc would have been the publishing companies
[05:50] <droid3> this would all eventually change once the digital computers came out. And anybody could develop/create/install fonts
[05:50] <sillymob[m]> droid3: some typewriters had an interchangable "ball" on them so you could have different fonts
[05:50] <droid3> but i am a bit curious what we had for typewritters or what writters before computers did. And what publishers did.
[05:51] <droid3> So you could switch out the ball for a different typeface /font style
[05:51] <sillymob[m]> yes
[05:52] <sillymob[m]> and some could strike twice (or more) for bold
[05:52] <sillymob[m]> and some could add underlines
[05:52] <droid3> was there many different types of balls to choose from
[05:52] <sillymob[m]> yes many
[05:52] <sillymob[m]> i believe IBM selectric were the ones if you google it
[05:52] <droid3> Wow ok so we had all alot of the common fonts we still use by default with computer just in ball form.
[05:54] <droid3> I just remember back in the day doing an old typewritter class where you had to get a certain amount of words per minute to pass. It wasnt difficult but those keyboard where the ones a small leg/metal arm would come up and tap the paper with the typeface ink.
[05:55] <droid3> I guess the ball based typewritters where the high end for writters
[05:55] <droid3> Because there was no interchangablity that i can remember it was fix typeface.
[05:56] <droid3> Now that everybody converted over to computers for writting. I am curious what typeface/font families/style do writters prefer to write in on there computers?
[05:57] <sillymob[m]> probably the 10 - 12 fonts that come with windows/mac would be my guess
[05:57] <droid3> I know this is an opinionated question but does are default font families/styles are Operating systems use by default match up closely to the most commonly used typewritter fonts/typefaces.
[05:57] <sillymob[m]> most people just pop open word and start writing
[05:58] <sillymob[m]> well, typefaces also go in and out of style
[05:58] <sillymob[m]> so even though we have had high quality typefaces on computers for a while, they are going in and out of style
[05:59] <droid3> O well those 10 or 12 thru the years havent change much it seems san serif , serif , time roman , aerial ,...etc are all still the default as was similar font when computer OS first came out to current.
[05:59] <sillymob[m]> e.g. you can find futura everywhere in the 1930s but its not really used today for much
[05:59] <sillymob[m]> some of these typefaces are hundreds of years old
[05:59] <sillymob[m]> so it makes sense people designing graphical interfaces would clone and/or use them
[05:59] <sillymob[m]> e.g. times new roman is from the 1930s as well
[06:00] <droid3> Though there is some changes here and there most look very similar and we dont really change default fonts to often. Its like most dont change there mouse default pointer/cursor. So most people are probably content in the default font and readability
[06:00] <droid3> if it was for articles / book form.
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> yeah next time you are at a bookstore, go to fiction section
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> you won't see very much variety in typefaces
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> it won't be 3, but it won't be 500 either
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> i'm not talking cover, i mean actual printed contents
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> cover you will see some variety for sure
[06:03] <droid3> agreed i notice most publishers looking at books use so similar of font/typefaces.
[06:03] <droid3> So ya it must be that books using these standard types are the most preferred for readability purpose for the general majority
[06:03] <sillymob[m]> steve jobs took a class on typography in college; he said that is why he wanted to do such a good job with text rendering on the first mac
[06:04] <sillymob[m]> yeah i mean principles of readability are "mostly" settled
[06:04] <droid3> and/or just people got so use to using them that it be odd to use anything different when reading a book.
[06:04] <sillymob[m]> also, don't forget a lot of people don't even care
[06:04] <sillymob[m]> they will write a book on a napkin or whatever and the publisher picks
[06:05] <droid3> agreed font/fontstyle/typeface are a lot less of an issue then content of the material/way the material is written/presented.
[06:05] <droid3> Obviously
[06:06] <sillymob[m]> not to a font geek
[06:07] <droid3> Because most people would not mind between san serif vs time roman say as much as having shitty content /unappealing content to read.
[06:08] <droid3> its alot easier to put up with a little weirder typefaces/font if its in the appropriate language vs having shitty content.
[06:08] <droid3> well the majority of target audience for say books arent font geeks but if you where targeting that audience then you be right with that one :)
[06:10] <droid3> so same applies if your targeting books for math and science most people in that category dont mind between the major top ten fonts/font styles as long as the content is good /well written/easy to understand...etc
[06:11] <sillymob[m]> i have picked up some sci-fi books in the bookstore and i'm like YUCK why did they choose this weird font and i don't buy it
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> keep it ubuntu support related guys
[06:14] <droid3> ok but for me i had that problem a couple times yet i really have to say most of time its the content that defines my chose in reading it. Or wanting to read it...very few time has it been yuck the font ,images ,..etc are just to difficult to get thru.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> droid3: please divide storys/discussions with support questions
[06:15] <droid3> if it was like the first edition of euclidians elements then sure i have to be a math archaeologist to want to decipher it.
[06:15] <droid3> ok lotuspsychje anyway thanks for the help guys you have a good night
[06:16] <MyNickname> I am struggling with getting the command
[06:16] <MyNickname> scp -r localFilesOnMyWindowsDdrive password@ipAddress:/var/www
[06:16] <MyNickname> I think the issue is that the local files are on my D:\ drive
[06:17] <oerheks> wat the hell is going on ? i was asleep, 02:00 hrs until 4 minutes ago (07:12) , i find a failed something, send report... and auth log says this https://pastebin.com/dgXXVmFW
[06:17] <MyNickname> but not sure how to overcome that. I don't want to use WinSCP which is what I know works as I have a few tasks that need to happen with this task and wouldn't automate through a gui of WINSCP
[06:18] <oerheks> is there a backdoor, tryingh something from irc?
[06:18] <oerheks> wat the hell is going on ? i was asleep, 02:00 hrs until 4 minutes ago (07:12) , i find a failed something, send report... and auth log says this https://pastebin.com/dgXXVmFW
[06:18] <oerheks> is there a backdoor, tryingh something from irc?
[06:20] <sillymob[m]> oerheks: looks like cron running, not very scary, just scheduled jobs
[06:24] <oerheks> too often these messages when i sleep.. no, i do not believe it is regular
[06:25] <oerheks> i am out
[06:30] <alkisg> oerheks: "PackageKit: uid 1000 is trying to obtain org.freedesktop.packagekit.system-sources-refresh" ==> suggests that this is background updates from either apt, snap or gnome-software-center
[06:30] <alkisg> Possibly one of the updates failed, and then apport tried to ask you to report the issue
[06:30] <alkisg> You should be able to find the crash in /var/crash
[06:42] <neteng1198sp> any cloud-init folks around?
[06:45] <neteng1198sp> At what I assume is the end of an autoinstall, I see  [OK] Reached target Cloud-init target.  Then it sits at connecting… and I get the spinning wheel.  It literally just sits there.  I drop into alt-f2.  I can verify /var/lib/cloud/instance, has the meta-data instance and inside there are the vendor-data, user-data and cloud-config files.  I'm not sure what the next step is in troubleshooting why it just hangs.  I did do a clo
[06:45] <neteng1198sp> t clean and then a cloud-init -d init.  Should that not follow the autoinstall and set it up based on the user-data file?
[06:47] <HunterWittenborn> Would anyone know how Bash on Ubuntu is able to find relevant APT/Snap packages for unfindable commands?
[06:48] <HunterWittenborn> I'm looking into possibly integrating a package manager I'm working on around it, but I can't figure out quite how it's doing what it does in the first place.
[06:57] <alkisg> Hunter Wittenborn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandNotFoundMagic
[07:02] <HunterWittenborn> Oh, cool!
[07:02] <HunterWittenborn> Found the relevant command after on my local machine, thanks :)
[08:18] <cluelessperson> "the following packages have been kept back"
[08:18] <cluelessperson> but WHY has it been kept back
[08:40] <ducasse> maybe it's being held
[09:14] <Velkorq> hey
[09:15] <Velkorq> is ubuntu lts as recent as debian stable?
[09:15] <Velkorq> or it contains access to newer packages? So basically its repos are based on debian stable repos only or testing as well
[09:22] <xu-irc15w> Hello
[09:22] <xu-irc15w> Errno input out error plz help
[09:23] <xu-irc15w> Install ubuntu erro
[09:25] <ducasse> Velkorq: ubuntu pulls from testing/unstable
[09:25] <Velkorq> ducasse: does ubuntu lts do the same?
[09:25] <ducasse> yes
[09:25] <Velkorq> or only the non lts versions
[09:25] <Velkorq> so it will be newer than debian stable. i see
[09:26] <xu-irc15w> Can anyone help
[09:26] <Velkorq> also seems both debian stable and ubuntu lts offer 5 years of support. I am not sure which to use. i want to install something that will have as little issues as possible with bugs, but also not be outdated
[09:27] <ducasse> ubuntu offers up to 10 years if you're willing to pay for commercial support
[09:27] <ducasse> xu-irc15w: what is the problem?
[09:28] <xu-irc15w> Install ubuntu erro,  errno input out error
[09:28] <xu-irc15w> Errno 5
[09:29] <ducasse> where are you getting this error?
[09:29] <rfm> !elaborate | xu-irc15w
[09:30] <xu-irc15w> When i want click install in last step
[09:30] <xu-irc15w> Messeage pops, install halt
[09:30] <ducasse> what *exactly* does the error say?
[09:30] <ducasse> word by word
[09:31] <Velkorq> ducasse: 5 is the normal for lts? just like debian stable right?
[09:31] <xu-irc15w> Errno 5, input output error
[09:31] <ducasse> Velkorq: canonical offers esm, which is 10 years
[09:31] <ducasse> xu-irc15w: input output errors usually indicate a disk problem
[09:32] <mei> Velkorq debian stable have 3 years of support not 5
[09:32] <xu-irc15w> Is my usb stick bad?
[09:33] <rfm> xu-irc15w, please tell us exactly what you were trying to do
[09:33] <mei> also there is no point to call it "stable", debian is debian. it have only one release, "testing" is a just beta really
[09:34] <xu-irc15w> Install ubuntu from usb
[09:39] <rfm> xu-irc15w, so. you dd what? starting on a something system, downloaded x, then..
[09:40] <mei> Velkorq i guess ubuntu lts + snap will have more updatad things than debian
[09:42] <rfm> mei:"things" is working hard there
[09:45] <Velkorq> mei: i read debian lts has 5 years on their wiki and got confused.
[09:46] <Velkorq> mei: ok so if i install latest lts of ubuntu i have 5 years of upgrades?
[09:46] <Velkorq> support etc
[09:51] <Bendik> Hi! How can I monitor my system while running a task in the terminal? I want to see what is the bottleneck for my program
[09:52] <idnc_sk> hi all
[09:52] <idnc_sk> have a strange issue regarding nfs
[09:52] <idnc_sk> nfs v3 mounts from an old netapp work just fine on a testserver running 18.04
[09:52] <idnc_sk> but fail when mounting from 20.04
[09:53] <Velkorq> also ubuntu lts on desktop, means i get new version of packages for 5 years or only security updates?
[09:53] <idnc_sk> nfsstat on 18 shows client nfs v3 and v4, on 20 it only shows client v4
[09:53] <idnc_sk> so guess somehow buntu 20.04 disables nfs3 cfg by default (or maybe some issue in relation to rpcbind cfg or something)
[09:53] <idnc_sk> anyone any idea
[09:54] <idnc_sk> I tried to enforce v3 in a couple of ways (-o v3 | -o nfsvers=3 | -o vers=3)
[09:55] <idnc_sk> but nfs mounts keep failing on that new machine
[09:56] <idnc_sk> why would nfsstat not return client v3 .. is my pointer here
[10:18] <mei> Velkorq what page state it's supported for 5 years?
[10:19] <mei> you get updated apps through snap, that means mostly end-user apps like firefox for example. system packages should stay at their release version, except few things. someone that use lts can correct me though
[10:20] <TJ-> Velkorq: during the support period, security and serious bug fixes of packages in the 'main' component of the archive (and sometimes 'restricted'). Support for packages in universe or multiverse components are a community thing and and not guaranteed,
[10:21] <mei> mhm, i was also wondering about universe...
[10:21] <TJ-> Velkorq: When you see "Ubuntu support" read it as "Canonical suppport" and it'll make more sense.
[10:23] <TJ-> The 'community' (volunteers) are repsonsible for packages in universe and multiverse although some Canonical devs also cover some of those as their personal interest; also some of those devs are also Debian devs/maintainers and try to ensure fixes go into Debian at the same time
[10:23] <mei> btw what is the process that get packages into official support? wireguard being in universe is kinda silly
[10:25] <TJ-> Someone stepping up to commit to support it, and that someone usually being closely related to Canonical
[10:26] <TJ-> Thing is it isn't need in main. "wireguard-tools" is optional since Ubuntu uses systemd-networkd or NetworkManager which both have wireguard support
[10:26] <TJ-> And the wireguard module itself is in the mainline kernel
[10:26] <mei> hmm need to investigate this
[10:26] <mei> i'm used to wg-quick
[10:27] <TJ-> 'wireguard' package is just an empty top-level to pull in the underlying packages nowadays
[10:29] <mei> is it really in the mailine kernel? i see the package depends on wireguard-dkms still
[10:29] <mei> well yeah, i can "modprobe wireguard"
[10:34] <TJ-> mei: wireguard went into mainline for v5.6
[10:36] <mei> mhm i know that, but since the package still depends on dkms is confusing a bit. also it doesn't mean that ubuntu compile the kernel with wireguard enabled
[10:38] <TJ-> mei: "sudo grep CONFIG_WIREGUARD /boot/config* "
[10:38] <TJ-> Mine only go back to 5.13 so I can't check
[10:38] <mei> handy :)
[10:38] <TJ-> I don't use Ubuntu kernels; build my own
[10:39] <mei> what do you mean? 5.13 is newer than 5.6 ?_?
[10:39] <TJ-> thirteen is greater than six
[10:39] <mei> so why you can't check?
[10:40] <TJ-> because I do not have kernels as old as 5.4/5.6 AND I don't have Ubuntu kernels
[10:40] <mei> oh well, i was not curious at al about 5.6, just ubuntu generally
[10:53] <pseudonymous> Hey. 20.04 LTS, stuck in a login loop. In wayland mode, I get booted out immediately. With xorg, I can log in, but I get a fullscreen "A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again". If I click, I get booted out. Right now, I've kept it up because the desktop actually works.. How can I see what's up and get this annoying popup to never appear again ?
[11:18] <joo-_> is ubuntu 21.10 considered stable? i just installed it on my desktop and my laptop and are experiencing different kind of crashes related to gnome and lifreoffice
[11:19] <mgedmin> it's stable for me
[11:34] <kuldip> Hello @all Right now i want to setup Client slave deployment server using open-stack, Any good site for help in open-stack installation ? please help Thank-you
[11:59] <kuldip> Hello can i get help for Open-stack installation if yes then how ?
[12:36] <pseudonymous> trying to use this theme ( https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013484/ ) in XFCE on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and things look very odd. All text is white, many lines are not drawn. Opening xfce4-settings-manager from the terminal to see errors as the theme is selected I see mountains of deprecated CSS class warnings. Anyone know if I can get this theme working ?
[12:37] <idnc_sk> pseudonymous why would you torture your self this way
[12:38] <idnc_sk> there is prettiness in the universe
[12:38] <idnc_sk> even in the grammaverse somwehre :|
[12:38] <idnc_sk> *grammar
[12:41] <pseudonymous> idnc_sk: nostalgia. Plain and simple. Most "modern" computing suck. Just today my "LTS" release refused to boot me into the desktop. Kept throwing up a popup that, if clicked, logs me out, the rest of the interface works. Guess what ? XFCE just works. Tired of all this "modern" nonsense. Nothing friggin' works anymore.
[12:43] <pseudonymous> (and more on-point. The gui of 2000's era windows is very clear in which components are active/disabled and clearly shows what's a part of what. "Modern" UI tend to use low-contrast and flatness, damn near impossible to see what's what. )
[12:43] <idnc_sk> I use xfce myself + "modern" computing sucks indeed, sometimes you have to smash your head with a ballot 20x to really believe its 2021 (when working with computers in general)
[12:44] <pseudonymous> Yea, had anyone told me in 2000 that my future involved letting Javascript power nearly all my desktop, I guess I would've gone into a different field. This is madness.
[12:46] <idnc_sk> https://imgur.com/JRgeN1s.png
[12:47] <idnc_sk> I actually like javascript esp the nodejs ecosystem, even being the security/async-nighmare it is
[12:48] <pseudonymous> idnc_sk: it's a pretty desktop, I'll grant. Sadly my eyes will be too strained with dark themes. These days I have to have higher contrast and software like redshift running to power through 8hr+ days in front of the computer.
[12:49] <idnc_sk> https://imgur.com/oPOEui3.png here my winapm
[12:49] <idnc_sk> *winamp skin
[12:50] <idnc_sk> yeah I spent quite some time getting my vscode "just right" due to eye strain
[12:50] <zaggynl> heh, nostalgic
[12:50] <idnc_sk> old love :)
[12:51] <idnc_sk> really liked winamp the same way I like old MP3 players (you know, those devices that do one thing and one thing only)
[12:51] <pseudonymous> idnc_sk: I think JS exemplifies the issue. Software has 1000 dependencies, all ever-changing. CPU and RAM is assumed free - so more is required to do the same as before (think Pidgin vs electron chat apps). And honestly, the desktop seems to crash a lot more than it did in the KDE3/Gnome 2 days. /rant
[12:55] <idnc_sk> I try to keep my deps minimal, even have a habit of incorporating code from 3rd party modules into my own just to not be dependent on some unknown person on the interwebz, there are a zillion simple modules to run something as a deamon or get mime type of a file or to generate a uuid, btw running noscript for a loong time now - would encourage
[12:55] <idnc_sk> everyone to try it for some time to get an idea of what you have mentioned there :)
[13:02] <omarramo> hey guys, is there a way to install a newer version of mutter (besides compiling it)?
[13:03] <KBar> pseudonymous, check out forum.xfce.org. Lots of solved questions and customization suggestions.
[13:05] <mgedmin> waah cups-browserd is refusing to supply destination host names, no printing for me today
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:53] <MartinCH> Hello. I have a video display problem (fuzzy/hazy/snowy screen, with right hand side going off the screen edge) with ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS after updates were installed. The display chip is AMD/ATI Mobility Radeon HD3470 (RV620). The problem is present with (kernel) version 4.15.0-162.151-generic 4.15.18 (after updates). Works fine with
[13:53] <MartinCH> 4.15.0-29.31-generic
[14:29] <SzinDzeks> Hi. I have to confess to something unforgivable...
[14:30] <SzinDzeks> I killed snap process because it was draining my precious 1Mbps internet connection
[14:30] <SzinDzeks> And now...
[14:30] <SzinDzeks> it revenges
[14:30] <SzinDzeks> Many apps like HexChat, WeeChat and Minecraft don't have internet connection
[14:31] <SzinDzeks> Firefox, Discord and using ping command works just fine
[14:31] <SzinDzeks> please help
[14:33] <SzinDzeks> i beg you
[14:34] <SzinDzeks> i need to play minecraft
[14:38] <mjt> reboot?
[14:38] <SzinDzeks> didn't work
[14:44] <SzinDzeks16> Ok, i think it actually has something to do with my firewall rather than killing snap. Sorry for wasting your time
[14:53] <KBar> Well, that was rather anticlimactic. :)
[15:24] <fyhl> Hi, I have a problem. How can I deactivate individual audio outputs such as HDMI to monitor and leave only my headphones?
[15:25] <KBar> What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[15:26] <fyhl> I am currently using 21.04
[15:27] <KBar> fyhl, try this https://help.ubuntu.com/21.04/ubuntu-help/sound-usespeakers.html.en
[15:28] <sillymob[m]> fyhl: PulseAudio Volume Control should let you do that rather easily
[15:33] <fyhl> sillymob[m] I installed pavucontrol, but I don't see an option to deactivate individual outputs here.
[15:33] <oxez> Hi. Running on 20.04, as of this morning my ethernet connection keeps dropping (even my ISP saw my pc disconnect at random intervals from their router). Didn't have any issues until this morning, and the network works correctly on other OSes. Not sure what could cause this? I didn't upgrade anything in weeks.
[15:35] <sillymob[m]> fyhl: the little 'loudspeaker' icon should let you disable an output
[15:35] <KBar> oxez, perhaps looking through the logs might help find the cause.
[15:36] <oxez> KBar: perhaps, just not certain where to look
[15:36] <KBar> oxez, `journalctl --unit=NetworkManager`
[15:37] <KBar> oxez, `journalctl -b --unit=NetworkManager` to list only entries for current boot.
[15:38] <KBar> NetworkManager usually complains when there's a problem.
[15:38] <KBar> And it shows up in systemd's journal.
[15:39] <oxez> I don't use NetworkManager, and haven't for years (I'm with systemd-networkd). Actually tried NetworkManager this morning to try to debug, I'll look at logs, thanks. Going to get some work done from wi-fi before :)
[15:40] <fyhl> sillymob[m]Can I set the output as default somewhere? Every time I plug in headphones the sound plays on HDMI, but my monitor has no speakers.
[15:46] <KBar> fyhl, run this `pactl list sinks | pastebinit` and share the link
[15:47] <fyhl> I changed something and it works
[15:47] <fyhl> I gues
[15:48] <fyhl> guess
[15:48] <fyhl> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B6jGwFdMbP/
[15:58] <KBar> fyhl, yep. Everything looks good. Active port is set to analog-output-headphones.
[15:59] <fyhl> Yeah, I unplugged my headphones and plugged it again. It automatically selected them as output
[16:00] <fyhl> Thank you all so much!
[16:00] <KBar> No problem.
[16:08] <KBar> oxez, well, in that case you can specify networkd as the target: `journalctl -b --unit=systemd-networkd.service`
[16:17] <KBar> oxez, you can also start it in debug mode. `sudo systemctl stop systemd-networkd`, `SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug /lib/systemd/systemd-networkd`
[16:54] <bbju> Hi, guys! I'm very new to Ubuntu and I'm using 20.04.3 right now. Why is it that firefox has ports other than amd64 listed separately while other packages like bash list all the ports together?
[16:54] <bbju> This is the package entry for firfox:
[16:55] <bbju> focal (20.04LTS) (web): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[16:55] <bbju> 94.0+build3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> [security]: amd64
[16:55] <bbju> 75.0+build3-0ubuntu1 [ports]: arm64 armhf ppc64el s390x
[16:56] <BinarySavior> Hi, I'm having trouble with DNS. How can I configure to poll default gateway DNS
[17:00] <KBar> bbju, it's because they're different versions? It means that for arm64 only version 75 is available.
[17:01] <KBar> bbju, while bash is kind of architecture-agnostic.
[17:03] <bbju> KBar: There is another firefox entry for focal-updates where the versions of all the ports are the same. I'm kinda confused.
[17:03] <KBar> BinarySavior, it's very quiet here today. Did you try this: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-domain-name-service-dns
[17:03] <bbju> focal-updates (web): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[17:03] <bbju> 94.0+build3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>: amd64 arm64 armhf ppc64el s390x
[17:04] <BinarySavior> KBar, no i haven't, I tried the settings gui in ubuntu 21.04
[17:04] <BinarySavior> I will look into this
[17:06] <KBar> bbju it probably means that it was made available as an update later on in the release cycle.
[17:06] <KBar> bbju, released as version 75, updates made available later (for other architectures).
[17:07] <bbju> Kbar: I was under the assumption that packages in focal are frozen. It seems firefox amd64 in focal also gets updated to the newest version.
[17:12] <KBar> bbju, it is indeed. Only special updates are released through SRU.
[17:14] <sillymob[m]> bbju: you can freeze packages yourself if you wish
[17:18] <BinarySavior> wow
[17:18] <KBar> wut
[17:18] <bbju> KBar: I did some digging. It seems Stable Release Updates are published to focal-updates? How come firefox amd64 in focal also get updated?
[17:21] <TJ-> bbju: some critical packages are exceptions
[17:21] <sillymob[m]> he just installed ubuntu
[17:21] <KBar> bbju, I'm not exactly sure what you mean. There is a procedure in place. Critical bugs need fixing. They're pushed to -updates.
[17:22] <KBar> Stable doesn't mean stale.
[17:22] <sillymob[m]> bbju: I would imagine for security reasons, but I don't know that for sure.
[17:24] <bbju> TJ-: Is there a list of these package?
[17:25] <KBar> bbju, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates & https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[17:26] <bbju> KBar, thanks! Will take a look.
[17:27] <KBar> No problem.
[17:29] <TJ-> bbju: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Documentation_for_Special_Cases
[17:30] <sillymob[m]> bbju: modification dates on packages.ubuntu.com?
[17:31] <KBar> TJ-, interestingly enough, Mozilla apps aren't included in that list. :)
[17:34] <TJ-> KBar: yes, seems like quite an oversight
[17:43] <mozambique> my graphic card isn't god
[17:43] <mozambique> I use ubuntu LTS and the graphic card from a  aspire 5253 is kind of slow
[17:43] <mozambique> can someone give me a hit
[17:43] <KBar> TJ- the page is immutable. I sent an email to ubuntu-doc mailing list.
[17:44] <KBar> mozambique, what version of Ubuntu?
[17:44] <TJ-> KBar: I think it is because the browsers are part of another policy - cannot imagine they'd be forgotten
[17:44] <mozambique> 20.04 LTS
[17:45] <mozambique> my idea is to make a update to the software
[17:45] <mozambique> but at the moment can't help with the programing
[17:45] <mozambique> so request assistance???
[17:45] <KBar> Well, there's nothing software can do if your hardware isn't capable enough.
[17:46] <mozambique> No I really think is software
[17:46] <mozambique> because the time of waitng
[17:46] <mozambique> *waiting
[17:46] <mozambique> is too long
[17:46] <mozambique> especially on startup
[17:46] <mozambique> or log on log off
[17:46] <KBar> mozambique, if you insist, then run this command so wonderful people here can help you:
[17:46] <KBar> sudo lshw | pastebinit
[17:46] <mozambique> ok
[17:46] <KBar> And post the link here.
[17:47] <KBar> Knowledgeable people will chime in and hopefully guide you along. Just be patient.
[17:49] <KBar> TJ-, hmm, could be. They should still be mentioned here, in my opinion.
[17:49] <mozambique> just a moment
[17:50] <mozambique> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3qVmSFTPsv/
[17:50] <mozambique> ok
[17:50] <mozambique> is that it
[17:51] <mozambique> ok
[17:51] <mozambique> hope my work is done
[17:51] <mozambique> see ya
[17:51] <mozambique> thanks
[17:52] <KBar> what?
[17:52] <KBar> is that a joke?
[17:52] <shadow255> well it's a very unusual way to seek help if not
[17:52] <TJ-> KBar: it is best to ask in #ubuntu-devel and point to that page
[17:53] <KBar> It's actually impressive he even managed to boot into system with that kind of hardware!
[17:55] <KBar> Why is your software so slow, Mr. Shuttleworth?!:-/
[18:24] <neteng1198sp> At what I assume is the end of an autoinstall, I see  [OK] Reached target Cloud-init target.  Then it sits at connecting… and I get the spinning wheel.  It literally just sits there.  I drop into alt-f2.  I can verify /var/lib/cloud/instance, has the meta-data instance and inside there are the vendor-data, user-data and cloud-config files.  I'm not sure what the next step is in troubleshooting why it just hangs.  I did do a cloud
[18:24] <neteng1198sp> clean and then a cloud-init -d init.  Should that not follow the autoinstall and set it up based on the user-data file?
[18:43] <rfm> neteng1198sp, if it "reached target Cloud-init" cloud init is done, and if you're seeing a spinning wheel gdm has started the X server (or wayland, I guess, if you use that).  if you can log in the console session, I can't think of what could be hanging; I'd run ps to see what is runnning, look at log messages, systemctl status, etcs,
[18:48] <neteng1198sp> rfm: Did not load X.  Since I see that message, if I reboot the server it should not have the config of the autoinstall?  I reboot and it says can't find bootable media.
[18:49] <neteng1198sp> I should it that it should have the new configs based off of the autoinstall....
[18:52] <rfm> neteng1198sp, ok, it's earlier in the install than I thought, hasm't gotten to booting the installed system yet.  Don't know what is displaying a "spinning wheel" then. I wonder what it's "connecting..." to?
[18:54] <neteng1198sp> spinning ascii wheel.
[18:55] <neteng1198sp> I have no idea what it is trying to connect to.
[18:57] <neteng1198sp> To me it feels like it hasn't started the process.
[19:00] <rfm> neteng1198sp, yeah it sounds like its hung very very early in the install. what are you booting the install from?   (is this a VM or actual hardware?)
[19:00] <neteng1198sp> netbooting from a VM to physical hardware
[19:05] <rfm> neteng1198sp, got to be the net connection or the boot server then.  I know nothing about how netbooting works for ubuntu, so no idea what to look for, sorry.
[19:07] <neteng1198sp> Thanks for trying….  It is able to connect to the original location it ran the iso from along with grabbing the user-data
[19:13] <tomreyn> neteng1198sp: i'd try #ubuntu-server for subiquity / autoinstall help (and bring much patience), or enter a support contract.
[19:14] <neteng1198sp> Did a support contract and ticket open….  Just hoping to get answers sooner rather than later.
[19:14] <tomreyn> there's much discussion around autoinstall on community.ubuntu.com, if that helps.
[19:14] <neteng1198sp> yeap… combed thru all of that the paste few days
[19:46] <backthen> when I click 'software install', the cursor spins for a while and then nothing happens. How do I know what's wrong
[19:48] <sillymob[m]> backthen: maybe nothing is wrong
[19:51] <tomreyn> backthen: that's certianly one of the situations where it's good to be able to have a shell available, where you can get useful error messages.
[19:52] <tomreyn> even running the graphical tool from a terminal an inspecting its output might give a clue (though there can be a lot of useless output and difficult to identify error messages then)
[19:53] <tomreyn> and yes, ideally, this would not be necessary, if the graphical software would handle this situation better.
[19:54] <Rachel> Hi! Does anyone know if there's an appindicator for Thunderbird so I don't have to rely on Chrome extensions for notifying me of new mail?
[19:56] <Rachel> brb I think I picked a wrong username, I don't know if people can read my messages
[19:56] <Rachel2021112420> Hi! Does anyone know if there's an appindicator for Thunderbird so I don't have to rely on Chrome extensions for notifying me of new mail?
[19:58] <sillymob[m]> Rachel2021112420: thunderbird should be able to send you notifications natively
[19:58] <Rachel2021112420> Also when it's not running in the foreground?
[20:01] <tomreyn> As long as it's running, and you're using the default Ubuntu desktop
[20:01] <tomreyn> (and you have that option enabled in thunderbird)
[20:03] <Rachel2021112420> Yeah ok I was afraid that's the case:P  I'll just use a different workspace for that then, no biggie. I'm a bit of an organisatory maniac:P
[21:08] <blei> any way to list the additional packages you have installed over base?
[21:08] <fengshaun> how do I prevent ubuntu from hijacking Ctrl-. in emacs?
[21:08] <fengshaun> whenever I press C-. which is my binding to move around within emacs, ubuntu shows a "e" popup and I have to press enter. It seems like it wants me to enter multiple characters, but then when I press enter it enters the same characters I entered in that small black popup in the editor
[21:08] <fengshaun> I disabled whatever I could find in settings regarding compose key
[21:08] <fengshaun> this is what I see: https://i.postimg.cc/859Cmq99/Screenshot-from-2021-11-23-17-12-01.png
[21:13] <sarnold> blei: it's not *quite* the same thing, but apt-mark showmanual might be useful
[21:15] <blei> would be looking for a more surgical solution perhaps..
[21:15] <blei> I did them all today. How about via a directory listing
[21:23] <sarnold> blei: oh, that helps immensely :) /var/cache/apt/archives has a cache of downloaded packages
[21:26] <sarnold> blei: it'll also have updates, etc of stuff that was already installed.. /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/history.log might also be helpful (I personally find the apt logs way easier to read than the dpkg logs)
[21:42] <sybariten> evening!
[21:42] <VMGuy23> Hello!
[21:43] <sybariten> I'm not too familiar with node.js . At all. Does anyone know if the standrard procedure for installing it on ubuntu is through a curl thing?
[21:43] <sybariten> As in: it's not as simple as "sudo apt install nodejs" or something like that?
[21:43] <VMGuy23> I think it is
[21:45] <sybariten> Cause we had that in a school guide, for preparing us for node.js exercises. And i just wanted to make sure there's not a more "basic" way. I always try to install everything through as little tinkering as possible. But it's all good i guess
[21:45] <sybariten> https://github.com/nodesource/distributions/blob/master/README.md
[21:46] <sarnold> sybariten: afaik, no one has been providing security fixes to the ubuntu nodejs package; it might be best to see if there's a snap that gets regular updates, or see if the upstream folks have a repo you can use
[21:46] <sybariten> sarnold: could you explain that again please? I didn't quite follow. I've never used snaps actually
[21:46] <sybariten> but have managed without
[21:47] <sarnold> sybariten: nodejs in ubuntu is in universe, which means it's community supported; I don't think anyone's provided us with updates to sponsor.. https://ubuntu.com/security/cve?q=&package=nodejs&priority=&version=&status=
[21:48] <sarnold> sybariten: there's a snap that appears to be nodejs, and appears to have been updated a month ago, so it's possible that's a better choice https://snapcraft.io/node
[21:53] <sybariten> sarnold: and what's the "opposite" of universe, standard?
[21:54] <sybariten> basically it's not "approved" to be among the default choice of software, i take it?
[21:54] <tomreyn> !repos
[21:56] <tomreyn> And there is "What software is supported by the Ubuntu Security team?" at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ
[21:57] <sybariten> ok, thanks sarnold !
[21:57] <sybariten> amd tomreyn
[21:57] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[22:36] <hans> how do you specify dns as a kernel parameter in Ubuntu? for example in Debian one would do: ip=[DEVICE]:[CLIENT_IP]:[NETMASK]:[GATEWAY_IP]:[NAMESERVER]
[22:36] <hans> but the only syntax i can find documentation for in Ubuntu is: ip=IFACE,ADDRESS,NETMASK,GATEWAY
[22:36] <hans> per http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man7/casper.7.html
[22:37] <hans> also why the balls did Ubuntu decide to change the format of the ip= kernel argument? x.x
[22:38] <hans> did Ubuntu support the ip argument before debian, or did some ubuntu developer hate the debian format so much that they thought it worthwhile to change?
[22:45] <TJ-> hans: _handle_device_vs_ip() reads the standard ip=colon:separated:values
[22:46] <hans> TJ-, does that mean that Ubuntu probably support the same ip= format as Debian?
[22:48] <TJ-> hans: actually, that just makes sure there's a DEVICE set; configure_networking() does the actual IP assignments
[22:48] <TJ-> hans: nothing to do with Debian' it supports the kernel's ip= definition
[22:49] <TJ-> hans: but this is all done by the initramfs-tools scripts in ./scripts/functions::configure_networking()
[22:49] <TJ-> hans: casper is a special case I think; casper is for the bootable ISO images
[22:50] <osse> I just upgraded to 21.10. It seems the window borders (the top line with the buttons) are sometimes light and sometimes dark. Is this correct?
[22:51] <TJ-> hans: https://sources.debian.org/src/initramfs-tools/0.140/scripts/functions/#L236
[22:53] <TJ-> hans: that's the Debian code; Here's the Ubuntu. It adds support for a lot more network options like VLANs https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/tree/scripts/functions?h=applied/ubuntu/focal-updates#n275
[22:53] <osse> ie: https://imgur.com/a/7muL0pF
[22:54] <hans> TJ-, interesting, thanks, i do see some references to DNS there but not sure if that translate to actual kernel arguments
[22:56] <sarnold> sybariten: packages in 'main' get security support from canonical
[22:57] <TJ-> hans: it does get challenging to read. Kernel docs say: " ip=<client-ip>:<server-ip>:<gw-ip>:<netmask>:<hostname>:<device>:<autoconf>:<dns0-ip>:<dns1-ip>:<ntp0-ip> " so that is args 8 and 9
[23:00] <TJ-> hans: strange; I see references to variables IPV4DNS0 (and 1) but nowhere do I see those being set
[23:03] <hans> strange indeed.. i wonder if that's a bug
[23:03] <hans> maybe the dev meant to add some arguments for setting them but never got that far?
[23:03] <TJ-> hans: also, I notice that the Ubuntu scripts are writing netplan configs; so for those of us with netplan disabled or removed, it won't work
[23:10] <TJ-> hans: ahhh! the full range of arguments are eventually passed to the kernel's klibc/bin/ipconfig tool!
[23:18] <TJ-> hans: finally found it https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klibc/tree/usr/kinit/ipconfig/README.ipconfig


[00:09] <mup> Bug #1633289 changed: network-observe plug is not working for dracnmap snap <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633289>
[00:24] <mup> Bug #1636657 opened: spread not able to run the snapd test suite <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636657>
[01:28] <liuxg> when I run a shell command like "sudo snap run --shell hello-xiaoguo.env", it gives me the error like "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified". Does anyone know why?
[06:45] <vigo> morning snappy
[06:52] <vigo> niemeyer, ping
[06:55] <dholbach> good morning
[07:35] <mwhudson> good morning
[07:41] <mup> PR snapd#2216 closed: snap: skip all ram disks when auto-importing assertions <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2216>
[08:28] <Chipaca> ogra_, o/
[09:00] <vigo> fgimenez, ubuntu-core-reboot failed again with core 279 on dragonboard
[09:02] <vigo> fgimenez, https://pastebin.canonical.com/168964/
[09:07] <fgimenez> vigo, when the suite has finished you can open a shell for inspection after the failing test with "spread -v -reuse -debug external:ubuntu-core-16-arm-64:tests/main/ubuntu-core-reboot"
[09:17] <akey> need advice, what snap should i choose - postgresql96 or postgresql-9-6
[09:18] <akey> first have "cmd" in field developer and second - "stub"
[09:19] <stub> akey: cmd are apparently command prompt, so I'd go with that if it works. I haven't had a chance to look at it yet
[09:19] <stub> akey: I'll be deprecating mine in favour of cmd if it works as intended, so I'd love to hear how you go.
[09:20] <akey> will try
[09:20] <akey> thanks
[09:28] <vigo> fgimenez, sure give me some minutes(meeting) ;)
[09:31] <ogra_> Chipaca, yo !
[09:31] <Chipaca> ogra_, oh hi
[09:32] <Chipaca> ogra_, since pinging you we decided to rewrite the thing i was struggling with in C
[09:32] <ogra_> Chipaca, console-conf ?
[09:32] <ogra_> :D
[09:32] <Chipaca> ogra_, sadly, no
[09:32] <Chipaca> ogra_, the shutdown script thingie
[09:32] <ogra_> ah
[09:33] <Chipaca> ogra_, basically the busybox in initrd isn't enough, and it's dynamically linked so it'd be a pain to set up
[09:33] <ogra_> we have a busybox-static package for this
[09:33] <Chipaca> ogra_, yes, which would add over a meg to the initrd
[09:34] <ogra_> 2M actually
[09:34] <ogra_> yeah, do it in C :)
[09:34] <Chipaca> $ ls -lh bin/busybox /bin/busybox
[09:34] <Chipaca> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1.9M Aug 19  2015 /bin/busybox
[09:34] <Chipaca> -rwxr-xr-x 91 john john 325K Oct 25 22:50 bin/busybox
[09:34] <ogra_> yep
[09:34] <Chipaca> that's just over 1.5M
[09:34] <Chipaca> anyway! yeah
[09:35] <ogra_> Installed-Size: 2.058 kB
[09:35] <Chipaca> most of the hard work has already been done by zyga in snap-confine
[09:35] <ogra_> from apt show
[09:35] <Chipaca> hah, if you're looking at apt show i probably win
[09:35]  * Chipaca looks
[09:35] <Chipaca> Installed-Size: 376 kB
[09:35] <ogra_> well, apt show means i dont neeed to install it :) and it lists all package files
[09:36] <Chipaca> dammit
[09:36]  * Chipaca concedes
[09:36] <ogra_> s/lists/counts/
[09:36] <ogra_> anyway C sounds good
[09:36] <Chipaca> ogra_, anyway, every time i look at initrd i want to get my chainsaw out
[09:36] <Chipaca> ogra_, e.g. it ships two libcs
[09:37] <ogra_> that is currently being fixed
[09:37] <Chipaca> ogra_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A52p9jc-gOo
[09:37] <ogra_> for zesty though ... but i guess we can backport some bits
[09:37] <vigo> fgimenez, running it I'll paste it here
[09:37] <hiseni> Hi, guys! I want to package an app, but it uses Maven Build System: https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson and I can't find any info about using this one w/ spapcraft
[09:38] <ogra_> heh
[09:38] <hiseni> Anyone can help me desidehow to do it better?
[10:01] <mup> Bug #1636762 opened: [snapd] Failures in the spread test suite <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636762>
[10:07] <mup> Bug #1636764 opened: Snapd is not correctly initialized with UBUNTU_IMAGE_SKIP_COPY_UNVERIFIED_MODEL=1 and model assertion is invalid <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636764>
[10:10] <MikeB> Is this channel archived anywhere?  I looked on snapcraft.io but couldn't find a reference.
[10:12] <ogra_> MikeB, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/10/26/%23snappy.txt
[10:12] <ogra_> or https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/10/26/%23snappy.html
[10:12] <ogra_> :)
[10:23] <MikeB> ogra_ Thanks!
[10:30] <chihchun> higgins: check out this project, which use maven. https://github.com/ubuntu/snappy-playpen/tree/master/wallpaperdownloader
[11:30] <ogra_> mwhudson, dragonboard seems all fine again, thanks a lot !
[11:37] <vigo> ogra_, this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1636762
[11:37] <mup> Bug #1636762: [snapd] Failures in the spread test suite <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636762>
[11:37] <vigo> I tried to debug it but no way to do it it fails all the time
[11:38] <vigo> https://pastebin.canonical.com/168977/
[11:39] <vigo> fgimenez, have you any idea why it stucks when "Starting shell to debug"?
[11:40] <fgimenez> vigo, nope, haven't tried it myself, will let you know how it goes
[11:40] <ogra_> vigo, i havent much clue about spread ... but i can imagine the dragonboard kernel lacks fuse support which could cause the fuse interface issue in that list
[11:42] <vigo> ogra_, is there a bug for that already?
[11:43] <ogra_> a bug about my imagination ? not yet, no :)
[11:43] <ogra_> (i havent checked if thats true ... just a guess )
[11:45] <fgimenez> vigo, ogra_ updated info about bug #1636762, now trying to debug tests/main/ubuntu-core-reboot but doesn't seem worrying
[11:45] <mup> Bug #1636762: [snapd] Failures in the spread test suite <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636762>
[11:45] <ogra_> fgimenez, isnt that what Chipaca currently works on (the reboot fixes) ?
[11:46] <vigo> ogra_, fgimenez thanks
[11:47] <fgimenez> ogra_, not sure, we have issues with this test before, it checks for a snap service to be up after a reboot and we weren't waiting long enough, now it works fine on other platforms and only fails on dragonboard
[12:05] <ogra_> fgimenez, ah ... weird though ...
[12:07] <mvo> ogra_: hey, I shared a gdoc with you, curious to  know if I understand the dtb problem correctly
[12:07] <ogra_> yeah, just got the mail
[12:07]  * ogra_ goes reading
[12:08] <mvo> ogra_: great, thank you! feel free to correct my assumptions in there if I got something wrong
[12:10] <ogra_> mvo, updated
[12:11] <mvo> ogra_: thanks
[12:11] <mvo> ogra_: iirc you also mentioned the binary bootloader added stuff to the dtb in memory, so we really need to use the version in memory, do I remember correctly?
[12:11] <ogra_> right
[12:11] <ogra_> board serial and MAC
[12:12] <ogra_> you need to serial in /proc/cpuinfo because if you purchase a codec for the board it uses this to validate the codecs
[12:12] <mvo> ogra_: great, added that as well
[12:12] <ogra_> and only the first stage loader can read it from ROM
[12:13] <mvo> ogra_: this really sounds like there is no way out of it, i.e. we can not revert to a previous kenrel without rewrting the dtb and reloading it. maybe via some scripting in uboot.env?
[12:15] <mvo> ogra_: anyway, thanks a bunch, I think the problem is much clearer now, the solution is still tricky, will discuss in todays standup
[12:17] <ogra_> mvo, well, there might be ways with a newer uboot ... the main issue here is the overlay handling ... i could cheat a lot from uboot (loading from disk and overwrite parts of the dtb in ram etc)  but uboot cant load the overlays
[12:17] <ogra_> there was work in newer uboot to start supporting overlays generically but i dont know where that stands
[12:18] <iliv> what is revision really? i just installed a package with the same name but different version number without removing a previous version. I noticed that revision number incresed, even though it's a newer version that is installed now. this kinda doesn't make any sense. if it's a new version, just installed, revision should be x1, not x2.
[12:18] <ogra_> just overwriting the basic dtb from disk and keeping the info from ROM still around is possible afaik
[12:20] <mvo> ogra_: oh, so we could always keep the one that was used on install and load a kernel specific one into memory and ship that as part of the kernel snap?
[12:21] <ogra_> mvo, well, you would need to merge them ... since you need what the binary loader artificially writes to the ram one when reading the rom
[12:21] <ogra_> i.e. serial and MAC
[12:22] <ogra_> mvo, but to use any addon board on the Pi you need an overlay DTB ... and for that only the binary loader works ... you could only get the overlay loaded for the original DTB, not for the current one
[12:23] <mvo> ogra_: I add to the gdoc: stuff gets even more complicated with overlay dtbs ;)
[12:23] <ogra_> heh, yeah, i also added a description at the top paragraph about that
[12:29] <fgimenez> vigo, ogra_ confirmed that for tests/main/ubuntu-core-reboot we need to wait a little bit more on dragonboard http://paste.ubuntu.com/23383345/
[12:30] <ogra_> hmm, i wonder why ... it isnt like the dragonboard boots particulary slower than a pi2 or 3
[12:32] <vigo> ogra_, with latest image I  noticed it takes more time than before
[12:33] <vigo> but at least, I can now use wifi :)
[12:34] <vigo> fgimenez, ack thank you
[13:02] <mup> Bug #1636847 opened: unexpectedly large memory usage of mounted snaps <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636847>
[13:15] <niemeyer> vigo: Hi
[13:15] <niemeyer> morphis: On the standup call, but will be with you in a few mins
[13:24] <liuxg> kyrofa, good morning what was your finding yesterday regarding the configure hook?
[13:56] <mup> Bug #1636864 opened: ubuntu-image 0.10+real1 is broken <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636864>
[14:38] <dobey> how can i boot the snappy core image without logging in to u1?
[14:43] <zyga> dobey: you can create a different brand (e.g. by forking the gadget and model assertion) and then using the system-user assertion to create an user on first boot
[14:43] <zyga> dobey: AFAIK
[14:44] <dobey> zyga: no idea how to do that. on first boot i get the initial setup thing and it's requiring me to log in, and i can't actually type the e-mail address in the field
[14:45] <zyga> dobey: what happens when you try?
[14:46] <dobey> zyga: "nothing" i guess. i can type an e-mail, but i can't type a + character for some reason, so i can't type the test e-mail to log in with
[14:46] <zyga> dobey: keyboard setup is not done beffore this is finished, I suspect you can type + if you use a US / international keyboard
[14:46] <ogra_> we switched to only support chinese keyboards and utf16 :P
[14:47] <dobey> zyga: i AM using a US keyboard
[14:47] <zyga> dobey: then I don't know
[14:47] <ogra_> (kidding indeed, it defaults to US only kbd though)
[14:48] <dobey> trying to boot the image in a kvm
[14:48]  * ogra_ does that ten times a week ...
[14:48] <dobey> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/mir-snaps/
[14:48] <ogra_> but i never had a + sign in my mail address
[14:49] <dobey> trying to follow the instructions there to get it booted; but can't type + and can't log in
[14:49] <dobey> err and can't skip the login
[14:49] <ogra_> well, no, there is no local way to log in anymore
[14:50] <ogra_> the user creation pulls your ssh key from your LP account and puts it in place
[14:50] <dobey> :-/
[14:50] <ogra_> you can then ssh in and use "sudo passwd $USER" in case you need a console login
[14:50] <ogra_> but by default the local logins are locked
[14:51] <ogra_> kvm -m 1500 -redir tcp:8022::22 amd.img
[14:51] <ogra_> thats what i use here to set it up ... keystrokes work fine
[14:52] <dobey> you can type a + char in the login field in the initial setup?
[14:53] <ogra_> well, i can type a + when i'm logged in on console
[14:53] <rharper> dobey: it's a bug
[14:53] <ogra_> which should be the same
[14:53] <rharper> it's not
[14:53] <rharper> there's an input box with a regex filter
[14:53] <rharper> dobey: I can reproduce
[14:53] <ogra_> oh, really ?
[14:54] <ogra_> ah
[14:54] <rharper> in console-conf
[14:54] <ogra_> right, input wise it shopuld be the same ... i wasnt aware there is a regex
[14:54] <ogra_> rharper, does mwhudson know already ?
[14:54] <zyga> dobey: can you please report this?
[14:54] <zyga> dobey: just in case
[14:54] <zyga> dobey: you an also try this
[14:54] <zyga> dobey: boot your VM with -display curses
[14:55] <zyga> dobey: log in this way
[14:55] <zyga> dobey: and then shut down and boot with SDL
[14:55] <ogra_> zyga, how does that help if the + is filtered out in the user creation input field
[14:55] <ogra_> it is console-conf itself filtering that
[14:55] <ogra_> no frontend switch will fix that
[14:56] <dobey> well there's no information in the setup stuff either, so i guess even if i can log in it doesn't help me much
[14:56] <zyga> ogra_: I don't know, maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't
[14:56] <zyga> ogra_: I see
[14:56] <ogra_> unlikely ... being an app bug
[14:58] <rharper> ogra_: probably not;
[14:59] <ogra_> well, it would help if someone filed a bug against subiquity :)
[14:59] <rharper> console-conf/ subiquity, whatever
[15:04] <dobey> so where?
[15:05] <ogra_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subiquity/+filebug
[15:05] <ogra_> and open a task against the snappy project too please
[15:06] <zyga> ogra_: is this it? https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity
[15:06] <ogra_> i guess so
[15:08] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1636891
[15:08] <mup> Bug #1636891: Unable to log in using email with + character <Snappy:New> <subiquity (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636891>
[15:09] <mup> Bug #1636891 opened: Unable to log in using email with + character <Snappy:New> <subiquity (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636891>
[15:13] <rharper> dobey: thanks
[15:18] <mup> Bug #1636894 opened: [raspberry pi3]pi3 snap is removable  <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636894>
[15:18] <mup> PR snapd#2217 opened: tests: increase wait time for service to be up <Created by fgimenez> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2217>
[15:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#861 closed: python plugin: install from wheel for local setup.py <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/861>
[15:26] <kyrofa> liuxg, ping
[15:27] <mup> Bug #1634803 opened: snapcraft register-key doesn't use U1 SSO login credentials <Snapcraft:New> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1634803>
[15:30] <ppisati> ogra_: the wifi card on your rpi3 board is broken, i tried several different combinations
[15:30] <ppisati> ogra_: but with none of them it shows up
[15:30] <ppisati> ogra_: i even tried raspbian, but nothing
[15:30] <ogra_> ppisati, it shows up after reboot
[15:30] <ppisati> ogra_: no no, i mean your board
[15:31] <ogra_> just on on first boot
[15:31] <ppisati> ogra_: do you remeber that we exchanged board at the sprint?
[15:31] <ogra_> oh, yeah!
[15:31] <ppisati> ogra_: i can't get the wifi to show up _at_all_
[15:31] <ogra_> thats what you mean
[15:31] <ogra_> wow
[15:31] <ogra_> that used to work
[15:31] <ppisati> ogra_: classic, snappy, raspbian, etc
[15:31] <ppisati> ogra_: i expensed a new rpi3 board
[15:31] <ogra_> creap
[15:32] <ogra_> i guess i owe you a beer then, i bet it was the "plug HDMI whiloe on power"
[15:32] <ppisati> ogra_: probably, the spi/i2c expansion bus is busted too, so...
[15:32] <kgunn> kyrofa: hey, if i have a branch i'm building in a snap, and i just wanna cheat & save time...a-la snap clean thing --step=build
[15:32] <ogra_> (i always forget that there is no proper grounding)
[15:32] <kgunn> where do i modify the source?.... in the part folder?
[15:33] <kyrofa> kgunn, you want to modify the pulled source?
[15:33] <kyrofa> kgunn, yeah, it's in parts/<partname>/src
[15:34] <ogra_> ppisati, i still cant imagine why it would be PM though ...
[15:34] <kyrofa> kgunn, though note that if the source is local, they're hard links. That might help a little
[15:34] <ogra_> ppisati, i.e. why does it only happen on the very first boot
[15:34] <ogra_> i would expect it to have similar issues after reboot
[15:34] <kgunn> kyrofa: right, just the pulled src
[15:35] <kgunn> yeah, it's not local...
[15:35] <kyrofa> Then yeah, that's what you want
[15:35] <kgunn> avoiding the separate change+push
[15:35] <kyrofa> Careful not to kill your changes by cleaning completely, though!
[15:35] <kgunn> will push later when i figure it out :)
[15:35] <kgunn> @complete clean...right!
[15:35] <nothal> kgunn: No such command!
[15:36] <ogra_> defiant bot ... doesnt want to clean
[15:46] <mhall119> sergiusens: do we have a method yet to copy a .desktop file produced by a part's build step into ./setup/gui/ ?
[16:03] <sergiusens> mhall119 that was only discussed last week during a session
[16:04]  * mhall119 wishes we had videos of those sessions
[16:17] <ogra_> mvo, bug 1636894 smells a bit critical
[16:17] <mup> Bug #1636894: [raspberry pi3]pi3 snap is removable  <Snappy:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636894>
[16:20] <kgunn> kyrofa: got a minute? wanna describe something and see if you've got an idea i can try...
[16:21] <kyrofa> kgunn, yeah, what's up?
[16:22] <kgunn> kyrofa: ok, so, i've got 2 snaps (it's a form of mir-server and mir-client, but not exactly)....
[16:22] <kgunn> i can build these in classic on the core, and it works without a flaw...
[16:22] <kgunn> however, when i run the exact same sceario on snaps...here's how it goes down
[16:23] <kgunn> the mir-server comes up fine, nothing strange in logs....but the minute i launch the client the server crashes immediately
[16:23] <kgunn> and again, nothing really showing up in logs
[16:23] <kgunn> so...wondering, can i include gdb inside my mir-server snap and run it ?
[16:23] <kgunn> or some trick like that you might recomment
[16:23] <kgunn> recommend even
[16:24] <ogra_> snap run --shell $command_inside_your_snap
[16:24] <ogra_> then use gdb from that shell
[16:24] <kyrofa> ogra_, that's still under the same confinement though, no?
[16:24] <kgunn> ogra_: well, i can run unconfined, the trouble occurs no matter waht
[16:24] <ogra_> also, the classic snap (that i demoed at the sprint) allows attaching to PIDs
[16:25] <ogra_> so just apt install gdb and debug away i guess
[16:25] <kyrofa> kgunn, as ogra_ mentions, could you run gdb as normal and attach to the PID of the app?
[16:25] <ogra_> kyrofa, yeah, inside the confinement ... but your gdb runs inside the same sandbox at least
[16:25] <kyrofa> kgunn, I've also included strace in my snaps before, I can't imagine why gdb wouldn't also work
[16:26] <kgunn> ogra_: kyrofa cool...i'll try that, thanks guys
[16:26] <kyrofa> ogra_, I mean it doesn't have access to gdb
[16:26]  * kgunn already has classic setup on the image
[16:26] <ogra_> not to one you dont ship indeed
[16:26] <kgunn> oh while i'm here... ogra_ flexiondotorg do either of you have a recommended power supply to use with pi3
[16:26] <ogra_> as many amps as you can get :P
[16:27] <ogra_> current is key .... beyond that ... not really
[16:27] <kgunn> i got one...but it came with w a charger that has a micro usb...and i don't think its strong enough to drive the display
[16:27] <ogra_> ah, attached usb display powered from the onboard usb hub ?
[16:27] <kgunn> ogra_: right
[16:28] <ogra_> s/usb/hdmi/
[16:28] <kgunn> ogra_: i guess i could try an externally powerd display first...
[16:28] <ogra_> i'd go with something like 4A
[16:28] <kgunn> cool
[16:28] <ogra_> that should be able to even drive a rotary usb disk
[16:28] <kgunn> :)
[16:31] <kgunn> uh, i guess i should also include dbg syms into my snap
[16:31] <ogra_> heh, yeah, that helps
[16:40] <mvo> ogra_: right, super important, not quite critical as you need to do manually disable it first, will work on a fix now
[16:41] <ogra_> heh, i didnt mean to cause work for you, i just wanted to set the severity :)
[16:46] <mvo> ogra_: thats fine, I think its also high++ priority :)
[16:46] <ogra_> true :)
[16:52] <mup> PR snapcraft#867 closed: Handle 'broken' validations that don't match refresh-control <Created by ralsina> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/867>
[16:55] <liuxg> kyrofa, ping
[16:55] <kyrofa> liuxg, pong
[17:00] <Croepha> So, if I wanted ubuntu core to have grub that had serial console enabled, I would have to make a new pc snap, ( i think thats the gadget snap) is that right?
[17:03] <ogra_> Croepha, we do have serial enabled by default i think
[17:03] <ogra_> (if not, we probably should)
[17:04] <Croepha> It looks like its enabled for the kernel, but not grub
[17:04] <Croepha> although, with pretty much everything snappy related, im pretty sure its not working right, because I probably did something to mess it up
[17:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#873 opened: Release changelog for 2.20 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/873>
[17:05] <ogra_> ah, yeah, not sure about serial support in grub itself
[17:05] <ogra_> we definitely have a console= arg for serial on all images
[17:05] <Croepha> nice
[17:08] <mup> PR snapd#2218 opened: snapstate: ensure gadget/core/kernel can not be disabled <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2218>
[17:17] <Croepha> btw, hypothetically, is core setup for PXE booting? seems like there is a lot of really cool potential to have the snaps mounted on a RO nfs mount and have writable portion be on a RW nfs mount or using aufs or something? is this an explored subject? or unexplored? or determined to be out of scope? just curious?
[17:31] <mup> Bug #1636931 opened: Configure hook not running <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636931>
[17:36] <mup> PR snapd#2219 opened: asserts: limit to 1y only if len(models) == 0 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2219>
[17:49] <pmcgowan> ogra_, two questions if you have a min
[17:49] <pmcgowan> $ snappy config core
[17:49] <pmcgowan> qemu-system-x86_64: could not set up host forwarding rule ':4200::4200'
[17:49] <pmcgowan> qemu-system-x86_64: Device 'user' could not be initialized
[17:49] <pmcgowan> oh thats an old command, bad docs
[17:50] <pmcgowan> er
[17:50] <flexiondotorg> kgunn, Pi3 power requires minimum of 2.4amp
[17:51] <kgunn> ack
[18:13] <kyrofa> mvo, I seem to remember discussions about more `snap run` options, like --gdb and --strace, is that right?
[18:13] <ogra_> pmcgowan, heh, happy i could be of help :)
[18:16] <pmcgowan> ogra_, but my real question
[18:16] <pmcgowan> my refresh service isnt running, seems it should be?
[18:16] <pmcgowan> how do I check the autoupdate config?
[18:17] <ogra_> uh, i dont know ... i know it is a timer
[18:17] <ogra_> systemctl | grep timer
[18:17] <ogra_> ?
[18:21] <pmcgowan> ogra_,  systemctl status -l snapd.refresh.service
[18:21] <pmcgowan> says its inactive
[18:22] <pmcgowan> and systemctl list-timers snapd.refresh.timer
[18:22] <ogra_> well, not sure the service contains the timer, i think that is what the timer calls actually
[18:22] <pmcgowan> says 0 timers
[18:22] <pmcgowan> no snap timers
[18:23] <pmcgowan> ogra_, there is a refresh timer on dragonbaord
[18:23] <ogra_> i think Chipaca is our specialist for that bit ... bt he doesnt seem to be around
[18:23] <pmcgowan> not on pc
[18:24] <ogra_> weird
[18:24] <ogra_> same image ?
[18:24] <pmcgowan> image?
[18:24] <ogra_> (i mean ... installed from the same image ... i.e. around the same time)
[18:24] <ogra_> yeah
[18:24] <pmcgowan> core versions are the sam
[18:24] <pmcgowan> e
[18:25] <ogra_> that doesnt matter, the timers are part of the firstboot setup
[18:25] <pmcgowan> this is on my laptop though
[18:25] <ogra_> and that might have improved between different image builds (or core versions if you want it like that)
[18:25] <ogra_> oh
[18:26] <ogra_> i thought you talk kvm vs dragonboard all-snap images
[18:26] <pmcgowan> no sorry
[18:26] <pmcgowan> apple orange
[18:26] <ogra_>   snapd.refresh.timer                                                                                loaded active waiting   Timer to automatically refresh installed snaps
[18:26] <ogra_> that is whyt i get on my laptop
[18:26] <ogra_> *what
[18:26] <pmcgowan> hmm
[18:27] <pmcgowan> thats what I see on db
[18:27] <ogra_> not sure why yours is disabled ... i think there was a bug once
[18:27] <pmcgowan> how do I enable it now
[18:27] <ogra_> bug 1588977
[18:27] <mup> Bug #1588977: [2.0.6] snapd.refresh.timer fails <regression-proposed> <verification-done> <xenial> <snapd (Ubuntu):Fix Released by carrol1> <snapd (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588977>
[18:29] <pmcgowan> ogra_, let me try t enable it
[18:29] <mup> PR snapd#2218 closed: snapstate: ensure gadget/core/kernel can not be disabled <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2218>
[18:29] <mup> PR snapd#2219 closed: asserts: limit to 1y only if len(models) == 0 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2219>
[18:30] <pmcgowan> ogra_, its working now and I got the update I expected
[18:30] <ogra_> yay
[19:01] <mup> Bug #1610001 changed: Regression: snap run no longer runs hooks <Snappy:Fix Released by kyrofa> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1610001>
[19:05] <mup> PR snapd#2220 opened: overlord/snapstate: fix missing argument to Noticef <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2220>
[19:16] <mvo> kyrofa: yes, we talked about this
[19:16] <kyrofa> mvo, still planned, then?
[19:17] <kyrofa> Just wanted to make kgunn aware, but wanted to make sure I remembered correctly first :)
[19:17] <mvo> kyrofa: yes but no dates or priority attached to it
[19:17] <kyrofa> Sure
[19:17] <kyrofa> Thanks mvo :)
[19:17] <mvo> yw
[19:17] <kgunn> ack
[19:18] <kyrofa> So kgunn as ogra_ mentioned we have `snap run --shell <app>`. That enables you to debug if you include strace/gdb/etc. in your snap, but eventually we'll have `snap run --gdb <app>` and `snap run --strace <app>` and the like
[19:18] <kgunn> cool
[19:19] <kgunn> fwiw, i just tried from classic snap...i attached to the pid ok, but then nothing...at least when i crashed the process...no output (altho could be user idiocy)
[19:19] <ogra_> check syslog
[19:20] <ogra_> if there is any seccomp blocking or anything
[19:27] <kgunn> when doing snap run --shell <app> ....is <app> really the service name ?
[19:28] <kgunn> e.g. is snap run going to launch my service?
[19:32] <kyrofa> kgunn, it won't run anything if you use --shell, but yeah, it can be a service
[19:32] <kyrofa> At least... I assume (not tried myself)
[19:52] <kyrofa> ogra_, are you still around?
[19:52] <ogra_> semi :)
[19:52] <kyrofa> ogra_, dumb question: if the kernel snap updates, does the device reboot?
[19:53] <ogra_> hmm, i would expect so ...
[19:53] <ogra_> but mvo knows the code ...
[19:53] <mvo> kyrofa: it does - after a delay of some minutes
[19:54] <ogra_> (i definitely had a reboot today after the new kernels landed)
[19:54] <kyrofa> mvo, ogra_ good deal, thanks. I figured that was the case, I just realized that hasn't happened to me yet on a core-based image, so wanted to double-check
[19:55] <ogra_> kyrofa, use dailies if you like reboots ;)
[19:55] <kyrofa> ogra_, :P
[19:55] <ogra_> edge gets a new core every day
[19:55] <kyrofa> ogra_, a core update doesn't cause a reboot, right?
[19:55] <ogra_> it does
[19:55] <kyrofa> Huh, I didn't know that
[19:56] <ogra_> you can intercept with shutdown -c
[19:56] <ogra_> (it warns you)
[19:56] <kyrofa> Why? Just because we figure running services are using libs from it?
[20:25] <mwhudson> rharper, dobey: oops (re email addresses)
[20:25] <mwhudson> rharper, dobey: are any other characters missing?
[20:25] <rharper> mwhudson: I went searching (briefly) for reasonable email regex and I couldn't find anything definitive
[20:25] <mwhudson> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity/pull/178
[20:25] <mup> PR CanonicalLtd/subiquity#178: allow + in email addresses <Created by mwhudson> <https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity/pull/178>
[20:25] <mwhudson> rharper: i guess i could look at what lp itself allows...
[20:25] <rharper> yeah
[20:26] <rharper> or see if any of the security folks have a good best practices
[20:27] <dobey> mwhudson: almost definitely. + is what broke for me though. but i'm a boring USian
[20:27] <mwhudson> apparently = is allowed too
[20:32] <kyrofa> mwhudson, tons of things are allowed-- the common advice I find is "beyond checking for @, don't bother validating. Just email to confirm."
[20:38] <kyrofa> mwhudson, https://davidcel.is/posts/stop-validating-email-addresses-with-regex/
[20:39] <kyrofa> mwhudson, best quote: "Look at all these<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is a valid email address
[20:39] <mwhudson> kyrofa: well you couldn't create an account on lp with such an address
[20:39] <mwhudson> and i assume sso is the same but i haven't checked there
[20:40] <kyrofa> mwhudson, yeah just trying to save you some googling for definitive regex, because there isn't one :)
[20:41] <mwhudson> i am aware of that :)
[20:47] <mwhudson> rharper, dobey, ogra_: is this worth doing a new release / upload for?
[20:48] <mwhudson> i guess so, it blocks some people and is low risk
[20:48] <ogra_> mwhudson, only if you want dobey as a uaer i guess :P
[20:48] <ogra_> **user
[20:48] <dobey> well i'm sure i'll find more bugs after i get past that ;)
[20:49] <ogra_> word
[21:21] <Croepha> is this the right way to use a ubuntu flavour in a snap kernel snapcraft.yaml: kdefconfig: kdefconfig: ['flavour=my_flavour', 'config']
[21:44] <mwhudson> hm i guess mvo is asleep
[21:58] <Snappin> Hi. Can anyone provide ANY info on backing up data created from a snappy app? Nextcloud for ex?
[22:00] <kyrofa> Snappin, there are a limited number of places snaps can write. Nextcloud for example will always dump its data into /var/snap/nextcloud/common (unless you change it in the config)
[22:01] <kyrofa> data = nextcloud raw data. The config, apps, etc. go elsewhere
[22:01] <kyrofa> (/var/snap/nextcloud/current to be exact)
[22:01] <Snappin> kyrofa: so let's say I dump that directory and want in case i have a server failure. So I rebuild my server, do the snap install nextcloud. So I just dump the backup there and call it a day?
[22:01]  * Snappin is baffled backup & restore isn't covered ANYWHERE in the docs....
[22:01] <kyrofa> Snappin, well, ignoring the snap, how does one backup a nextcloud install?
[22:01] <kyrofa> Snappin, it's because it's always going to be application-specific, not snap-specific
[22:02] <Snappin> it's a multi-step process and is documented.
[22:02] <Snappin> kyrofa: ok I understand that. so is it safe to assume there isn't or never will be a common procedure to backup/recover of snappy install critical data?
[22:03]  * Snappin is trying to decide if diving further into snappy tech is worth it...not trying to be rude or critical.
[22:03] <kyrofa> Snappin, you can always copy it off and paste it back, but the application may not pick it up like that
[22:03] <Snappin> ok. that's sounds too risky for me. I see the appeal of snaps but not if there is going to be an unpredictable outcome of data recovery.
[22:04] <Snappin> Do you know if future roadwork with snappy will involve my concerns regarding backup/recovery?
[22:04] <kyrofa> So in order to migrate a Nextcloud install, what do you do? You dump the database, copy the raw data and the config, and then apply in reverse order
[22:05] <Snappin> i only know how to backup/restore nextcloud by hand if i install it by hand.. this is well documented on the web.
[22:05] <Snappin> Thanks though, i think i've found my answers.
[22:41] <jdstrand> sergiusens: hey, would you mind approving https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/5063/rev/3/ ?
[22:42] <jdstrand> sergiusens: I made some changes to the review tools so that will pass, but that needs a store sync
[23:13] <hindle> I'm trying to package with snappy (confinement: strict) a application (not service) that opens unix sockets at say /tmp/socket1 - Currently I get access dennied errors. I see that for services I can use "caps:" property but I can't find any documentation on how it can be done for apps.
[23:17] <qengho> hindle: You don't get access to /tmp . You can get a personal, ephemeral tmpdir. If you're trying to do something that has some system-wide known name, you want a service.
[23:21] <hindle> qengho: thanks - I'm trying to do IPC via unix sockets - between different apps in the same snappy packge.
[23:23] <hindle> qengho: but I still can't seem to open a unix socket at a writtable path for the snappy application.
[23:23] <hindle> qengho: so I assumed I need to add some privilage to the app.
[23:24] <jdstrand> hindle: you can do that fine if you create it in one of the writable areas for the snap
[23:32] <jdstrand> (other than /tmp)
[23:45] <hindle> jdstrand: thanks


[09:04] <msikma> Hi all
[09:05] <msikma> How's everyone doing?
[09:05] <msikma> Been a while since I've been here


[21:14] <raknorak> hi there
[21:15] <raknorak> is the menubar icon for power finel in natty yet?
[21:16] <raknorak> i think it's to big and crisp, it wont match the rest of these icons


[12:02] <mattayers> Hi is anyone around?
[12:21] <erichammond> mattayers: Go ahead and ask your question.  Somebody might see it and respond within a few hours.
[12:21] <mattayers> Has anyone used ELB in europe?   I think this channel is supposed to redirect you to #ubuntu-server
[12:22] <erichammond> er ##aws
[12:24] <mattayers> Ah yea sorry I did wonder. I'm in there too.


[11:44] <lotuspsychje_> leftyfb: not mine but, saw this1 passby too https://launchpad.net/bugs/1983202
[14:58] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje_: works fine for me, but my default browser is google chrome
[14:58] <lotuspsychje_> maybe its a glitch in the users upgrade/system


[00:07] <ron_o> Tonno left.... darn. I wonder why folks leave so early.
[00:07] <ron_o> there's a great video converter on one of firefox's extensions/plugins..
[00:07] <ron_o> I think it's called video download converter.
[00:08] <ron_o> right click on it and click 'convert videos'... choose your poison... done!
[02:16] <Venim> hey, whats your favorite way to automount drives?
[02:19] <likemindead> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountlinux
[02:20] <likemindead> That's the guide I followed to automatically mount my second internal hdd.
[02:29] <Venim> hmmm
[02:29] <Venim> it seems that you can't create a launcher to a folder
[02:29] <Venim> i.e. symlink
[02:46] <noopie> hi there. how do I close my X window system process?
[02:47] <noopie> i can't find anything relevant in google and it keeps restarting with pkill X
[02:56] <knome> noopie, kill -s kill pid
[02:57] <knome> noopie, use with caution!
[02:57] <noopie> im trying to uninstall X so there are no problems :-)
[02:57] <noopie> i was just wondering if there's any ubuntu version without the x-window system
[02:57] <knome> server/minimal
[02:57] <knome> !minimal
[02:57] <noopie> thanks :D
[02:58] <noopie> i remember my best linux experience was when my graphics card stopped functioning normally so it wouldn't let X load
[02:58] <knome> well, that's also an experience...
[02:58] <noopie> so I had to use ubuntu command-line only during 3 or 4 months
[02:59] <noopie> so i'd use irc with irssi, connect to msn through bitlbee
[02:59] <noopie> and use lynx :p
[02:59] <knome> that does teach you
[02:59] <noopie> yeah
[02:59] <noopie> and it was pretty cool
[02:59] <knome> i use irssi+bitlbee all the time anyway :P
[02:59] <noopie> great :D
[02:59] <noopie> i'd use if it would let me get display pictures and personal messages
[03:00] <knome> pictures? what are those?
[03:00] <noopie> there was an open server that would allow that
[03:00] <knome> you can see the personal message by whoising people
[03:00] <noopie> hm
[03:00] <knome> if i understood you correctly :)
[03:00] <noopie> i thought we could only see their nicknames
[03:00] <knome> there was a patch at least to see personal messages
[03:01] <knome> even pictures, iirc
[03:01] <noopie> oh cool
[03:01] <noopie> gotta check that then
[03:01] <knome> yeah, probably should do that.
[03:01] <knome> they we're working on a completely new branch some time ago, afaik
[03:01] <knome> to add more msn support into bitlbee
[03:02] <noopie> cool
[03:02] <noopie> if that does happen i'll stop using aMSN
[03:02] <noopie> well, I've got to get some sleep
[03:02] <noopie> see you knome  :)
[03:02] <knome> good night
[03:02] <knome> o/
[04:10] <medfly> how do I send a bug report?
[04:16] <medfly> looks like I can't :/
[04:27] <cody-somerville> Launchpad is read-only at the moment
[04:28] <cody-somerville> Once full services have been restored, you can file a bug report via launchpad.
[04:33] <medfly> okay. thanks.
[05:18] <The_Journey> I need help, there is no sound in youtube but there is sound when I play mp3 files
[05:18] <medfly> can you see the video tho
[05:20] <The_Journey> medfly: yes
[05:22] <The_Journey> so how can I fix it?
[05:24] <medfly> no idea, but there are a lot of related google results
[05:24] <medfly> I'm just looking at them
[05:26] <medfly> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+question/34735
[05:26] <The_Journey> tried that, didnt work
[05:26] <medfly> ah
[05:29] <medfly> no chance you just muted youtube, right? (always worth checking)
[05:29] <The_Journey> forget it
[05:30] <medfly> maybe someone else knows
[09:42] <balsaq> _Techie_ i cannot seem to get that command straight to get my video info out of this computer i am on now
[09:42] <balsaq> i know i have done it before
[09:42] <_Techie_> ask on #xbmc
[09:42] <_Techie_> oh wiat
[09:42] <balsaq> but i am on puppylinux now and am all messed up
[09:42] <_Techie_> i thought you were zaneium
[09:43] <balsaq> no its me
[09:43] <_Techie_> ignore that #xbmc comment
[09:43] <balsaq> just made a mess of myself in linux
[09:43] <balsaq> whew
[09:43] <balsaq> what is that freakin command to get all the info on my video card
[09:43] <balsaq> this is a different computer a guy gave me-real old one
[09:44] <_Techie_> lspci | grep VGA will output the card name and bus location
[09:44] <balsaq> ok got that but its all numbers
[09:44] <balsaq> like 0600 8086 7190
[09:44] <_Techie_> glxinfo will five you information on what your drivers support and information such as ports
[09:44] <balsaq> ok thanks
[09:44] <_Techie_> pastebin please
[09:45] <balsaq> well thats where i am screwin it up
[09:45] <balsaq> the pastebin
[09:45] <balsaq> ill try it here
[09:45] <balsaq> gimmie a minute
[09:46] <balsaq> the glx isnt doin it illtry the lspci
[09:47] <balsaq> weird just sits there and does nothing
[09:47] <_Techie_> odd
[09:47] <balsaq> looks like it will and it doesnt
[09:47] <_Techie_> can you set up ssh for me
[09:47] <balsaq> no clue
[09:47] <_Techie_> kk, then just run lspci without the grep section
[09:47] <_Techie_> pastebin the whole lot
[09:48] <balsaq> ok
[09:48] <balsaq> just will not paste in puppylinux
[09:48] <balsaq> friggen weird
[09:49] <_Techie_> is the command curl installed?
[09:49] <_Pete_> try select the text so it's highlighed then to paste press middle mouse button
[09:49] <balsaq> paste just wont light up..no biggie i got all the codes
[09:49] <_Pete_> or if you dont have one left+right
[09:49] <balsaq> VGA
[09:49] <balsaq> # lspci|grep VGA
[09:49] <balsaq> # lspci
[09:49] <balsaq> 00:00.0 Class 0600: 8086:7190 (rev 03)
[09:49] <balsaq> 00:01.0 Class 0604: 8086:7191 (rev 03)
[09:49] <balsaq> 00:0a.0 Class 0200: 8086:1229 (rev 05)
[09:49] <balsaq> 00:0d.0 Class 0780: 12b9:1006
[09:49] <balsaq> 00:14.0 Class 0601: 8086:7110 (rev 02)
[09:49] <balsaq> 00:14.1 Class 0101: 8086:7111 (rev 01)
[09:50] <balsaq> 00:14.2 Class 0c03: 8086:7112 (rev 01)
[09:50] <balsaq> 00:14.3 Class 0680: 8086:7113 (rev 02)
[09:50] <balsaq> 01:00.0 Class 0300: 1002:4742 (rev 5c)
[09:50] <balsaq> #
[09:50] <balsaq> boom
[09:50] <balsaq> man noone in linux got that doen
[09:50] <balsaq> done
[09:50] <balsaq> what the heck is that
[09:50] <_Techie_> wow, thats not the output im used to
[09:50] <balsaq> me neither
[09:51] <balsaq> a dud was trying to figure it out in linux then he assumed i was a troll?
[09:51] <_Techie_> must need a switch to get it to display on puppy
[09:51] <balsaq> yeah i am just learning it
[09:51] <balsaq> no biggie will read some more
[09:51] <balsaq> just for fun not real fond of it
[09:52] <balsaq> there is no agp slot
[09:52] <balsaq> so i am ilil worried
[09:52] <balsaq> small form factor compaq
[09:52] <_Techie_> the graphics will still be agp or pci based
[09:52] <balsaq> i opened it
[09:52] <balsaq> looks like 2 pci and no agp tooo me
[09:52] <balsaq> i may remove the modem
[09:52] <balsaq> then will have 2 pci's
[09:53] <balsaq> only 2 ranm slots
[09:53] <balsaq> 128
[09:53] <balsaq> puppyi s fast on 128 though
[09:53] <balsaq> real fast
[09:53] <ablomen> balsaq, try lspci -m or -nn
[09:53] <balsaq> it installed it to hd and even got grub installe on this one
[09:53] <balsaq> ok
[09:55] <balsaq> same type of results will try -nn
[09:55] <balsaq> -nn not found
[09:55] <ablomen> ehm thats lspci -nn
[09:56] <balsaq> its because i got crappy graphjics..it play everything real slow
[09:56] <ablomen> oh it seems puppy has a old and/or weird lspci...
[09:56] <balsaq> its reaallly fast but hard to work with sometimes
[09:57] <balsaq> the people in linux were getting really ticked...trying to get the info out of it
[09:57] <balsaq> i always get it eventually
[09:57] <ablomen> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=38734&sid=d5ac3eb93be28086bdff2d6bc0258999 << that might help ;)
[09:58] <balsaq> coool
[09:58] <balsaq> where have you been Techie?
[09:59] <balsaq> and knome has also been scarce
[09:59] <_Techie_> korea
[09:59] <_Techie_> jk
[09:59] <balsaq> cool in a tunnel or in the flesh
[09:59] <_Techie_> havent really had a reason to come on much
[09:59] <balsaq> got paid 25 bucks to fix a dead computer
[09:59] <balsaq> 1st ever'
[09:59] <_Techie_> nice
[09:59] <_Techie_> what was wrong with it?
[09:59] <balsaq> and he gave me this computer
[10:00] <balsaq> he does all porno had windows and had major league virus'
[10:00] <balsaq> so hen thinks i am atech
[10:00] <balsaq> all i did was used linux to clean it
[10:00] <_Techie_> haha
[10:00] <balsaq> left xubuntu on it
[10:00] <balsaq> runs like whoilly heeelll
[10:00] <_Techie_> clam-gtk is a good one for that
[10:01] <balsaq> he cant believe it
[10:01] <_Techie_> anyway, im gonna go test a game
[10:01] <balsaq> so he gives me 25 and a computer and told everyone at the plant...now another guy want me to "fix" his
[10:01] <balsaq> same problem...on his
[10:01] <balsaq> they dont even know what linux is...funny
[10:02] <Sysi> man, everyone should know that linux is best for w
[10:02] <Sysi> *porn
[10:02] <balsaq> little do they know i am a non tech
[10:03] <Sysi> you're nerd because you're at irc :)
[10:03] <balsaq> SYSI!!!
[10:03] <balsaq> where have u been
[10:03] <balsaq> i am a tech now
[10:04] <balsaq> hahahah
[10:04] <Sysi> idling
[10:04] <balsaq> ice fishin for char in beautiful finland
[10:04] <Sysi> well, swedish lesson now..
[10:05] <balsaq> o sorry
[10:05] <Sysi> listening training, "g2g"
[10:08] <balsaq> i gotta turn off this puppylinux before i break it....brb getting on my other one...drives me nnuts
[10:15] <leonidb> does xubuntu support dual monitors? image was cloned after install, but when changing resolution in settings>display - one monitor just become blank :)
[10:16] <leonidb> I see video driver in lsmod, so its not a driver problem, right?
[10:17] <_Techie_> leonidb, yes xubuntu does support dual head setups
[10:18]  * _Techie_ is gonna go play some World of Warcraft now
[10:18] <balsaq> later _Techie_
[10:18] <Sysi> _Techie_WoW_: you're gonna lose your life?
[10:19] <_Techie_WoW_> already lost it, i became a tech
[10:19] <leonidb> How to configure it? I have eee pc 901, with i945 video. in settings-display only one monitor
[10:19] <Sysi> !xrandr
[10:20] <leonidb> thanks, will read it :)
[10:21] <balsaq> Techie, King of All Techs,,,honing his skills on World Of Warcraft....all part of the secret life of an xubuntu technician....
[11:06] <n2diy> balsaq: is there a WOW howto somewhere?
[11:07] <balsaq> yup
[11:07] <balsaq> n2diy...how the heck ru?
[11:08] <n2diy> balsaq: I'm well thank you, how are you?
[11:08] <balsaq> a lil bruised from this evening lesson (battle0 with linux...but ok
[11:10] <balsaq> i decided to give Techie, Sysi and Pete a break and ventured into linux chat under another nickname...and got my aszs handed too me over my lack of linux terminal command knowledge
[11:11] <balsaq> i then limped back here and Techie-King of all Techs answered my question within a few minutes....
[11:15] <balsaq> n2diy...what is a wow howto?
[11:32] <n2diy> balsaq: a World of Warcraft howto
[11:35] <balsaq> i am an asteroids champion
[12:17] <Carnophage> hi all
[12:19] <Carnophage> can anyone with a fresh instalation of xubuntu 9.10 provide the output of ls -al /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ?
[12:21] <ablomen> Carnophage, it isnt a _fresh_ fresh install but i havnt changed anything to the sessions: http://pastebin.com/d2f5c5513
[12:22] <Carnophage> ablomen: thx for Your help, my Xubuntu is upgraded since 7.10 and I think I have some scripts there which are not needed any more
[12:25] <Carnophage> and dpkg -L x11-common prints only these → http://paste.ubuntu.com/334473/ in this folder
[13:15] <timeclock> empty channel :/
[13:15] <Sysi> i don't hate that kind of people..
[13:20] <knome> Sysi, is that a coping mechanism?
[13:23] <Sysi> hrrm, my bad english
[13:23] <Sysi> you mean something like *wnb police* ?
[13:25] <knome> Sysi, no, i meant to ask whether you say that because you want to believe that you don't hate that kind of people?
[13:25] <Sysi> not actually, i'm somehow sorry or something
[13:25] <knome> :)
[13:39] <ZaNeIuM> Hello
[13:45] <knome> !hi | ZaNeIuM
[13:46] <ZaNeIuM> does screen contiune to run when i come out of sleep? i am new to linux, and i've attempted to have my gamecontroller suport durring boot up. i got the compiled driver and have made a reference to it in the /etc/rc.loacl file
[13:47] <ZaNeIuM> it works just fine now, except its no longer there when i comeout of sleep
[13:47] <knome> ZaNeIuM, you mean screen, the CLI software?
[13:49] <Sysi> laptop?
[13:50] <Sysi> usually whole suspend/hibernate fails if screen stays black
[13:51] <Sysi> if you don't mean GNU screen program
[13:55] <ZaNeIuM> its a htpc, running xbmc-karmic, no gnome desktop
[13:57] <ZaNeIuM> knome: yes i believe so.
[14:22] <ZaNeIuM> cant be done i'd guess
[19:46] <kirill> hello there
[19:47] <kirill> please help me
[19:48] <kirill> my nout very slow with ubuntu and i install xubuntu. All ok but when i watch movie the sound card work very quielty
[19:48] <kirill> in ubuntu with sound all ok
[19:54] <likemindead> It works quietly?
[19:54] <likemindead> You might try removing PulseAudio & just using ALSA.
[19:55] <kirill> in ubuntu pulseaudio work OK in xubuntu there is no pulseaudio and sound is suxxxx
[19:56] <kirill> how i can install ubuntu sound system in xubuntu?
[20:02] <likemindead> Oh, you can install PulseAudio in Xubuntu, kirill.
[20:02] <likemindead> !pulseaudio
[20:03] <kirill> senku very mutch
[20:18] <likemindead> What's the best Linux NES emulator nowadays?
[20:20] <Sahkolihaa> Ew. Why'd you want to install PulseAudio. :x
[20:20] <Sahkolihaa> I moved to xubuntu to get -away- from it.
[20:20] <Sahkolihaa> That and I prefer Xfce as it seems more polished to me.
[20:26] <n2diy> Sahkolihaa: `I told him to install xfce4-mixer over on #ubuntu
[20:26] <Sahkolihaa> Ah.
[22:20] <Shockrates> how can i define a hotkey to minimize all windows in the current workspace? like superL+D in windows
[22:20] <jar> Shockrates, Settings -> Window Manager -> Keyboard
[22:21] <jar> Hm.
[22:21] <TheSheep> alt+d workd
[22:22] <jar> You mean CTRL+ALT+D
[22:22] <jar> ;]


[00:02] <Endux> it works now thanks
[00:03] <guiverc> :)  Yippee
[07:32] <ThePuppeteer777> hey
 I am trying to access the apt-cache server set up on host from a lxc container. Any idea how to do so?
 wxl: @teward001 any inputs?
 ^ nvm. Got it
[15:45] <onyx> I need help trying to install python3-dev but it says package has no installation candidate but referred by another package. I'm trying to update openshot to it's latest version
[17:00] <lleachii> Hello, has anyone exprience an issue with Chromium, where after some time and newly opened tab displays blank?
[17:00] <lleachii> on 20.04
[17:03] <onyx_> lleachii; have you tried the brave browser as a chrome alternative?
[17:06] <lleachii> ummm...no, it doesnt appear to be on snapcraft or the repisitory...does that mean there's a known problem with Chromium?
[17:08] <onyx_> chromium is kind of outdated
[17:08] <onyx_> brave browser is the google chrome alt that people use these days
[17:09] <onyx_> you have to go to brave's official site to learn how to install it
 i would suggest vivaldi if u want chrome based browser
[19:26] <lleachii> ok, thanks, can I load the pepper flash so file?
[19:42] <lleachii> the website instructions do not work
[19:44] <lleachii> workaround does not work...anyone know why Chromium loads blank pages (only backround) after some time? I also checked, it's a recent verson in Snap.
[20:04] <lleachii> OK, I may have to revert to 18.04 with all its issues I'm used to...(16.04 is the last version that functions -out-of-the-box)...difficult not having a wokring browser, this is new...
[21:06] <Deano59> I <3 you, Lubuntu. ;P
[21:13] <onyx> can someone help me out? I'm trying to upgrade openshot but I get errors of packages missing python3-dev isn't available to download for example
[21:14] <onyx> E: Package 'python3-dev' has no installation candidate
[21:17] <Deano59> "sudo apt search python2" do you see it listed?
[21:17] <Deano59> "sudo apt search python3" do you see it listed?
[21:17] <Deano59> sorry, typo.
[21:18] <Deano59> and what version of Lubuntu?
[21:18] <onyx> python3 is installed but python3-dev is what I need
[21:18] <Deano59> see above.
[21:18] <onyx> 3.7.3-2
[21:18] <Deano59> ?
[21:18] <onyx> hold on
[21:18] <kc2bez> !info python3-dev
[21:18] <Deano59> "sudo apt search python3" do you see it listed? ... you should see ALL python3 packages...
[21:19] <Deano59> kc2bez, nice one.
[21:19] <Deano59> forgot about the bot...
[21:19] <onyx> Linux lubuntu 5.0.0-38-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 3 00:27:35 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:19] <lleachii> does anyone know where the module folder in Vivaldi to load the flash *.so file???
[21:20] <Deano59> onyx: that's your kernel, not lubuntu version.
[21:20] <Deano59> 18.04? 16.04? 20.04? etc.
[21:21] <onyx> hold on Idk yet
[21:21] <onyx> I don't remember
[21:22] <onyx> 19.04
[21:22] <Deano59> isn't the EOL?
[21:22] <Deano59> !eol
[21:23] <onyx> I probably need to upgrade if 20.04 exists lol
[21:23] <Deano59> yeah 20.04 is out now, an LTS release. it's nice. :(
[21:23] <Deano59> :)*
[21:23] <Deano59> oops...
[21:24] <onyx> ok let me do that first and I'll come back
[21:24] <kc2bez> Yeah 19.04 is EOL https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-19-04-end-of-life-and-current-support-statuses/
[21:24] <onyx> I'll let you know if that solves the issue I'm trying to upgrade openshot and there's a bunch of packages missing and not installable
[21:24] <Deano59> you'll love 20.04 onyx :P
[21:25] <onyx> cool. ok brb
 ~ But he could not leave his desktop after seing new Lubuntu and noone saw him after that  ~
[23:32] <lleachii> I found more infomration on the Chromium issue. If I close the Chromium instance taking most memory, all pages reappear.


[07:56] <wers> where can I find the files for the new gdm and splash screen artworks? :)
[08:14] <Cimi> apt-get source ....
[08:18] <kwwii> wers: it is all in the human-theme package
[12:24] <coz_> hey gusy
[12:24] <coz_> guys
[19:17] <mac_v> !ping