[12:51] <pimp^air> hi guys... i just upgraded to edgy... now i can't mount my /home partition for the reason described here: https://launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/62751
[12:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62751 in loop-aes-utils "Upstart doesn't activate luks volumes (also non luks) in cryptsetup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:51] <pimp^air> i downloaded and successfully compiled the cryptsetup-package from feisty... with little success..
[12:52] <maxamillion> pimp^air: i am checking the bug report now
[12:52] <pimp^air> now i'm desperately out of ideas
[12:52] <pimp^air> would one please give me a hint on where to start looking for a fix or how to verify where my problem ist
[12:52] <pimp^air> maxamillion: thx
[12:53] <maxamillion> pimp^air: i unfortunately have never used cryptsetup so i probably wouldn't be of much help .... it doesn't appear to be xubuntu specific so someone in #ubuntu or on ubuntuforums.org might be of more help .... sorry :(
[12:53] <pimp^air> i'll try #ubuntu
[12:53] <pimp^air> thx
[12:53] <maxamillion> np
[12:56] <Pekke> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4648/ <---- how to solve, I can't install or remove anything
[12:56] <nonlocal> http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=194922007
[12:57] <nonlocal> whoops
[12:57] <nonlocal> wrong window, sorry
[12:57] <maxamillion> Pekke: what command did you issue?
[12:57] <nonlocal> (although if you are looking for a cautionary tale about the bus system in Thailand... heh.)
[12:57] <maxamillion> nonlocal: lol, thanks
[12:57] <Pekke> maxamilillion:  sudo apt-get -f install
[12:58] <Pekke> i'm trying to upgrade from dapper to edgy, i did it the "wrong" way according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[12:58] <maxamillion> Pekke: did you upgrade using the update manager?
[12:59] <Pekke> noup =(
[12:59] <maxamillion> good
[12:59] <maxamillion> the update manager is buggy and annoying
[12:59] <Pekke> if i would have know about those issues, i'd just have skipped the whole thing.,,,
[12:59] <maxamillion> Pekke: sudo apt-get update (tell if that fails)
[01:00] <Pekke> no failure, only one verification problem, which is the open office finnich correction source....
[01:01] <Pekke> but i don't think thats too fatal.
[01:01] <maxamillion> Pekke: sudo apt-get -f update (tell me if that fails, and if it does then pastebin the output)
[01:01] <beoba> is xfce4.4 included at the moment, or is that not coming until april?
[01:01] <maxamillion> Pekke: it could be depending on if it is trying to pull dapper pacakges onto edgy
[01:02] <maxamillion> beoba: included in Feisty Alpha builds but not officially included Stable until April
[01:02] <Pekke> no, i changed the sources list from dapper to edgy
[01:02] <beoba> okay, thanks
[01:02] <maxamillion> Pekke: even that one for the open office finnich source?
[01:03] <Pekke> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4654/ that is the output
[01:03] <Pekke> maxamillion yes
[01:03] <Pekke> not the entire output, but the end of it
[01:04] <maxamillion> Pekke: what happened when you did "sudo apt-get -f upgrade"?
[01:06] <Pekke> maxamillion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4655/
[01:08] <pimp^air> maxamillion: happened as expected.. guys in #ubuntu dont know, in #ubuntu+1 don't answer
[01:08] <pimp^air> :)
[01:08] <maxamillion> pimp^air: .... :( i sorry
[01:08] <Pekke> oh, i had synaptics open, i guess that locks it?
[01:08] <Pekke> wait a sec..
[01:08] <pimp^air> that's why #xubuntu is always my first place to ask... smart guys, friendly athmosphere
[01:08] <pimp^air> :)
[01:08] <maxamillion> Pekke: you by any chance have synaptic or some other package manager running at the same time?
[01:08] <maxamillion> pimp^air: we try :D
[01:08] <Pekke> yeah
[01:08] <Pekke> redoing...
[01:09] <maxamillion> Pekke: ok
[01:12] <Pekke> maxamillion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4658/
[01:13] <borschty_> anyone else got a problem with faulty /dev-rules in feisty since a recent upgrade? (/dev/null = 600 is the one i noticed, because nothing worked)
[01:13] <maxamillion> borschty_: i haven't really had time to test feisty yet :(
[01:14] <Pekke> maxamillion: trying to remove or install packages with synaptics end up the same way...
[01:15] <nonlocal> What is the hotkey to show the desktop?
[01:15] <maxamillion> Pekke: ok .... "sudo aptitude clean" then ... "sudo aptitude update" and then "sudo aptitude upgrade" (aptitude can sometimes fix errors like these, its a little more "intelligent" then apt-get)
[01:15] <maxamillion> nonlocal: depends on what you set it as
[01:16] <Pekke> ok, i'll test
[01:16] <nonlocal> maxamillion:  and where would I.. oh, keyboard settings.
[01:16] <nonlocal> rooooight.
[01:17] <maxamillion> Pekke: lemme know ... this seems to be a strange error that has alot of different methods of fixing it so if that doesn't work we can try a couple others
[01:17] <maxamillion> nonlocal: :D
[01:18] <borschty_> i just checked the rules file, but it seems to be sane, null is set to 0666 there, anyone got an idea, what could cause the permissions to be set wrong?
[01:18] <pimp^air> it just does not start /etc/init.d/cryptdisk-early nor cryptdisk
[01:19] <Pekke> maxamillion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4661/
[01:19] <pimp^air> how do i ensure stuff in /ect/rcS.d gets executed?
[01:19] <pimp^air> it has a executable file in /etc/init.d and a symlink lookin just like the others in rcS.d
[01:20] <maxamillion> pimp^air: not to sure ... you could check logs for failures
[01:20] <pimp^air> however whatever i add with log_begin_msg doesn't get printed on startup
[01:20] <pimp^air> as if the scripts weren't started at all
[01:20] <maxamillion> pimp^air: try hitting F2 during boot to see kernel output instead of the usplash, the message might be shown there
[01:21] <pimp^air> i already disabled quiet and splash
[01:22] <maxamillion> oh .... huh, that's no good
[01:23] <maxamillion> Pekke: ok ... this could be rather risky so we will go in order of least risky to most risky ok?
[01:23] <Pekke> ok
[01:24] <pimp^air> this upstart-stuff is only causing me pain...
[01:24] <maxamillion> Pekke: sudo aptitude reinstall x11-common
[01:24] <maxamillion> Pekke: sudo aptitude update
[01:24] <Pekke> i'm still quite a beginner, so i have no higher knowledge of my own..
[01:24] <pimp^air> i even can't just issue a print for debugging purposes...
[01:24] <maxamillion> Pekke: sudo aptitude upgrade
[01:24] <maxamillion> Pekke: do those in that order
[01:24] <Pekke> ok
[01:24] <pimp^air> so now i cought myself touching files in / as messages
[01:25] <maxamillion> pimp^air: yeah, upstart seemed like a good idea but i felt like they rushed implementation on it
[01:25] <pimp^air> like touch /i-reached-breakpoint-n
[01:25] <pimp^air> they just could have talked with suse redhat and debian about it
[01:25] <pimp^air> maybe gentoo
[01:26] <maxamillion> yeah ... who knows, when debian etch releases i will seriously concider switching to it
[01:26] <Pekke> maxamillion: same finish
[01:27] <Pekke> maxamillion: xserver-xorg-core: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is installed and it is kept back.
[01:27] <maxamillion> i ran debian for about 6 and a half years before i found xubuntu and i switched because i felt that for the desktop it was easier, but it seems so much less stable
[01:27] <maxamillion> Pekke: ok .... brace yourself
[01:28] <pimp^air> they just tend to brake things now and then...
[01:28] <pimp^air> :)
[01:28] <maxamillion> Pekke: wait .... uhmmm, nvm ... try "sudo aptitude -f upgrade"
[01:28] <maxamillion> pimp^air: who does?
[01:29] <pimp^air> the ubuntu guys
[01:29] <pimp^air> :)
[01:29] <maxamillion> yeah
[01:29] <maxamillion> well, the problem is that they have a 6 month dead line, which is kinda defeating the point in my opinion
[01:29] <crimsun> ?
[01:30] <Pekke> maxamillion: output is: xserver-xorg-core: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is installed and it is kept back. libxdmcp6: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is installed and it is kept back.
[01:30] <crimsun> ubuntu's release schedule is tied to gnome's
[01:30] <maxamillion> Pekke: :(
[01:30] <crimsun> that should be obvious by now
[01:30] <maxamillion> crimsun: either way, deadlines create rushed software, rushed software tends to be more buggy
[01:31] <Pekke> can't i just remove that xbattbar somehow, or something?
[01:31] <crimsun> maxamillion: certainly there's a tradeoff, but there's _always_ a timeline
[01:31] <maxamillion> Pekke: xbattbar?
[01:32] <maxamillion> crimsun: well what i mean is that debian is held in such high reguard for stability because they don't have a deadline and if they set one for themselves and miss it, nobody really cares because everyone understands there must be a reason behind it
[01:32] <pimp^air> but if theres a bug in edgy... why can't it be fixed in edgy? cryptsetup-support is definitely broken
[01:32] <crimsun> maxamillion: historically, yes, but even that's a crutch.
[01:32] <crimsun> pimp^air: it's being addressed right this moment
[01:33] <Pekke> if i have something in /usr/X11R6/bin , it says that the directory needs to be emptied, so that something can be written there
[01:33] <maxamillion> pimp^air: that is something else i don't understand, i have noticed that about a couple packages ... report a bug, it gets fixed upstream but you are stuck for now
[01:33] <crimsun> have you been following the devmapper/udev/lvm changes?
[01:33] <maxamillion> Pekke: do something for me ... do "df -h" and pastebin the results
[01:34] <pimp^air> me? no...
[01:34] <pimp^air> i have installed a update from dapper to edgy
[01:34] <pimp^air> which broke half of my system
[01:34] <Pekke> ok
[01:34] <pimp^air> one could think that all stages of stability seen in debian releases aren't enough so ubuntu invents "stable as dapper" and "stable as egdy"
[01:35] <maxamillion> pimp^air: lol
[01:35] <maxamillion> i dunno, i really like Xubuntu ... i really do, but there are little ubuntu-ish quirks that bug me every now and then
[01:36] <Pekke> maxamillion: almost in the end it says something about xbattbar in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4663/
[01:36] <maxamillion> actually, none of my issues have to do with Xubuntu ... mainly just ubuntu and inherently get put in xubuntu :/
[01:36] <crimsun> pimp^air: you can't even compare debian and ubuntu
[01:36] <Pekke> now i'll do that df -h
[01:36] <pimp^air> of course i can
[01:36] <pimp^air> :)
[01:37] <crimsun> well, sure, anyone _can_
[01:37] <pimp^air> didn't it use to compare itself to debian too?
[01:38] <Pekke> maxamillion: df -h output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4664/
[01:38] <maxamillion> Pekke: ok, so you have plenty of space ..... lets try "sudo aptitude purge xbattbar"
[01:39] <maxamillion> Pekke: i found this ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=9&threadid=171107 .... it wouldn't be a fun way to do it, but it appears to have solved the problem for that user
[01:41] <Pekke> btw what does the score mean in the middle of updating the packages & dependencies? e.g. score is -3...
[01:44] <maxamillion> Pekke: that means it is trying to find the most logical or acceptable fix .... lemme find you a resource on this
[01:44] <Pekke> ok..
[01:45] <Pekke> maxamillion: well, if i just try to do update & upgrade again and again, and hope that i'll get my xubuntu working fine again...
[01:46] <maxamillion> Pekke: ok
[01:48] <Pekke> sudo apt-get -f upgrade  started downloading stuff from archives.. takes about 30 minutes =(
[01:49] <maxamillion> Pekke: well i apparently can't find anything listed about the aptitude score :(
[01:49] <maxamillion> Pekke: well ... downloading is good
[01:49] <maxamillion> Pekke: i am really sorry, but i am getting off work and i have to go
[01:49] <Pekke> maxamillion: ok, thank you anyway, i hope this woeks
[01:50] <Pekke> i think i'll go to bed and continue tomorrow, it's almoust 3 o'clock here in finland...
[01:50] <maxamillion> Pekke: if this doesn't work i recommend posting on ubuntuforums.org ... it might not be the fastest way of getting it resolved, but there are alot of residential gurus who might have a fresh idea of how to fix it
[01:50] <maxamillion> Pekke: ok, i'm off .... sorry i couldn't fix it
[01:50] <Pekke> ok, thank you.
[01:50] <maxamillion> laters all!!!
[01:51] <pimp^air> crap... it seems to be openvt used by the script which is in /usr...
[01:51] <pimp^air> who would rely on /usr being mounted to setup encrypted disks???
[01:59] <jfcgauss> hi. how do we search for files? i have xubuntu 6.10 on a pentium laptop. i dont have anything for searching files in my applications menu
[02:00] <jfcgauss> btw i dont want indexing
[02:04] <pimp^air> jfcgauss: find
[02:05] <pimp^air> it's slow though
[02:05] <jfcgauss> i want a gui like gnome's
[02:12] <LordGamer> Hi all
[02:14] <LordGamer> I got my WUA 2340 USB wireless to show up in Linux but everytime it tried to start up and the light blicks it freezes any ideas?
[02:25] <LordGamer> ..
[02:25] <pimp^air> what freezes??
[02:25] <LordGamer> the whole PC
[02:26] <pimp^air> i think i remember i had that under breezy with some creative-cam
[02:26] <pimp^air> exact that behaviour
[02:26] <pimp^air> find the page of the driver you use and update to the latest and greatest relase
[02:26] <pimp^air> that's what helped me that time
[02:27] <LordGamer> done that
[02:29] <crimsun> pimp^air: people outside the development team seem to have an unwillingness to stop comparing ubuntu to debian
[02:29] <crimsun> most of us who are in one or both couldn't care less; we have far more time-consuming things to worry about
[02:30] <pimp^air> crimsun: yes.. the point of view from which i state that is a users one... and compared to gentoo / fc / suse ubuntu is very similiar to debian
[02:31] <crimsun> there is pedigree, sure. One simply cannot avoid that (nor would one want to).
[02:31] <crimsun> heck, Debian's founder is a Canonical employee and works on Ubuntu.
[02:31] <crimsun> (he's the one committing devmapper/udev/lvm changes)
[02:32] <pimp^air> how's he called?
[02:33] <crimsun> sorry, I meant the author of dpkg, not the founder of Debian
[02:33] <pimp^air> as ian murdock at least isn't involved in the bug i mentioned
[02:34] <crimsun> no, heh, that would have been interesting
[02:34] <pimp^air> :)
[02:34] <pimp^air> btw... what are those udeb-packages? linked with uclibc?
[02:34] <crimsun> they're for the installer.
[02:35] <pimp^air> wikipedia gives credits for dpkg to murdock too
[02:35] <pimp^air> :)
[02:36] <crimsun> too many people have touched dpkg
[02:36] <pimp^air> :)
[02:36] <crimsun> heck, Scott (keybuk) has touched it, too, and he's the upstart architect
[02:36] <pimp^air> ok... however cryptsetup is broken
[02:36] <crimsun> are you testing current feisty?
[02:37] <crimsun> it's known-broken in previous releases
[02:37] <pimp^air> i isnstalled the version from feisty compiled on edga
[02:37] <pimp^air> edgy
[02:37] <crimsun> how is yours interacting?
[02:37] <crimsun> are you doing luks+lvm root?
[02:37] <pimp^air> and the reason it's broken is, that it relies on binaries located in /usr/bin..
[02:37] <pimp^air> no just luks+lvm /home
[02:38] <pimp^air> but /usr isn't mounted when cryptsetup is started...
[02:38] <pimp^air> so it fails
[02:38] <pimp^air> very bad
[02:38] <crimsun> of course that would be bad
[02:38] <pimp^air> and that happens to feisty users too, if they happen to have /usr on a separate volume
[02:38] <crimsun> with the latest devmapper+lvm changes
[02:38] <crimsun> ?
[02:39] <grazie> crimsun: how come known broken packages are still available from the repos?
[02:39] <pimp^air> those changes sure won't affect the place openvt lies
[02:39] <crimsun> grazie: we don't touch FROZEN, released distributions.
[02:40] <pimp^air> crimsun: but if they are broken people would be pleased to see them fixed... the way security-fixes are provided
[02:40] <pimp^air> https://launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/62751
[02:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62751 in loop-aes-utils "Upstart doesn't activate luks volumes (also non luks) in cryptsetup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:40] <pimp^air> i added a comment down there
[02:40] <pimp^air> maybe one will notive
[02:40] <pimp^air> notice
[02:40] <crimsun> pimp^air: of course, which is why it's being addressed in feisty
[02:40] <crimsun> feisty is the current development release, not edgy, not dapper, not breezy, not hoary, not warty.
[02:41] <pimp^air> yes... but if i figure out, that this is a security-hole... would it be adressed then?
[02:41] <grazie> crimsun: yes, but this package isn't part of the released disro...that's what I can't follow
[02:41] <crimsun> grazie: because it's not in main, it receives no standard support.
[02:41] <crimsun> grazie: if you want it fixes, follow the universe SRU process
[02:41] <crimsun> fixed ^
[02:42] <pimp^air> but apparently there are lots of users with a problem noone really adresses in edgy
[02:42] <pimp^air> wouldn't that fact make the policy a bit problematic?
[02:42] <crimsun> then fix it yourself and follow the universe SRU process
[02:42] <crimsun> that's why the SRU processes exist
[02:42] <grazie> crimsun: no, I'm just trying to understand the process
[02:42] <crimsun> grazie: which process?
[02:43] <pimp^air> crimsun: i don't want to blame on for what's happening here... i'm just wondering..
[02:43] <crimsun> pimp^air: I know you're not blaming, and I understand it's frustrating. I'm also not being paid to work on Ubuntu.
[02:44] <grazie> crimsun: availabity of packages from the repos and not knowning their state without checking for bugs first
[02:44] <crimsun> grazie: more specifically?
[02:45] <grazie> crimsun: no sw is bug free, but the apt system doesn't seem to be able to flag serious problems
[02:46] <pimp^air> i only find that ongoing discussion on the SRU... and link to a current version?
[02:47] <pimp^air> ok... now i understand the whole "regression" debate in the bug...
[02:47] <crimsun> pimp^air: you missed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU ?
[02:47] <pimp^air> found it already... thanks
[02:47] <pimp^air> but only the first one
[02:48] <crimsun> grazie: why would apt want anything to do with that?
[02:49] <crimsun> grazie: and what sw can flag itself as exhibiting critical ones, anyhow?
[02:49] <crimsun> I can think of a few filesystems, but they're a bit different to your question
[02:50] <pimp^air> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[02:50] <pimp^air> i think it's easier to found a Ltd. in germany (which is very hard) than get something broken fixed...
[02:51] <crimsun> pimp^air: then pitch in and help
[02:51] <pimp^air> this is a heck of a bureaucracy
[02:51] <crimsun> that's precisely why I'm a dev; I care about certain things
[02:51] <pimp^air> :)
[02:54] <pimp^air> i'll go to bed.... n8
[03:05] <Prisoner_> hello
[03:07] <Prisoner_> anyone here?
[03:10] <Prisoner_> still planning my install
[03:16] <Prisoner_> hi
[03:20] <BrendanM> When I go to save a chart as an image in Gnumeric, I get an "Unknown failure while saving image" message. That's about the least helpful error message ever. Any ideas?
[03:21] <Prisoner_> no idea, haven't tried Gnumeric
[03:21] <Prisoner_> I'm something of a linux newbie
[03:22] <Prisoner_> I'm planning an install as soon as I get some free time, plan to dualboot with XP and maybe move away from WIndoze altogether.  Don't want to go to Vista
[03:25] <BrendanM> Vista seems very unnecessary to me. It does look pretty, though.
[03:26] <Mlittle> anyone here a wiz with screen resolutions?
[03:28] <Mlittle> I followed the guide on the forums, and I haven't seen a change in my resolution
[03:28] <Prisoner_> I'm concerned about the DRM crap in vista
[03:29] <Prisoner_> what kind of video card are you running?
[03:30] <BrendanM> Radeon mobility 9000, I think.  I did no run that command
[03:31] <Mlittle> did not
[03:31] <Mlittle> I opened it in the terminal
[03:32] <BrendanM> that works too
[03:32] <grazie> Mlittle: read through this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:32] <Mlittle> well, I've set the default to 1280x1024 and it's using the setting below that
[03:33] <Mlittle> i'm checking out this guide now
[03:33] <grazie> Mlittle: using the tool is much easier than changing /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually
[03:34] <Mlittle> the tool near the top?
[03:34] <BrendanM> yeah, most likely. xorg.conf is really annoying
[03:34] <Mlittle> autodetect?
[03:34] <Mlittle> hmm ok
[03:34] <Mlittle> the problem is that it seemed to want me to detect what type of gpu i was running and i'm unfamiliar with this mobo
[03:34] <Mlittle> so i didn't want to give it the wrong answer
[03:35] <BrendanM> adding "DCCMode" "on" to my xorg.conf helped my video settings quite a bit, too. I think that enables some sort of autodetect thing.
[03:35] <BrendanM> But I don't know what cards support it
[03:37] <Prisoner_> looking at my xorg.conf too, reminds me of windows INI files
[03:40] <Prisoner_> sorry to talk about windoze, but it helps me to relate this new stuff with something I'm familiar with
[03:41] <BrendanM> *shrug* I think most people are most familiar with Windows.
[03:41] <BrendanM> Plus, we're not all anti-Windows zealots.
[03:41] <BrendanM> I actually think XP is a pretty solid OS. It's just expensive and doesn't run well at all on older hardware.
[03:43] <Prisoner_> I got sucked in 10+ years ago and after seeing what they've done with Vista, I think it's time for change
[03:43] <Prisoner_> I've played with a few different linux distros
[03:43] <Prisoner_> got sucked in partially because windows was what was at work
[03:44] <Prisoner_> I agree, XP isn't too bad, it's just I don't want to go with Vista in a few years when MS pulls support on XP
[03:45] <BrendanM> I've been running Xubuntu as my primary OS for about 6 months now, and I'm pretty happy with it. Compatibility with Office formats is surprisingly decent, which is important for work.
[03:45] <Prisoner_> the only problem I've had with XP is I get random reboots occasionally, usually when I'm working with some video or graphic stuff, not sure if it's a hardware or XP issue
[03:46] <Prisoner_> that is great to know
[03:46] <cellofellow> Never really used WinXP here. Was stuck with 98. Now I've used *ubuntu for almost eight months, and tinkered with linux for about a year and half. Love it.
[03:47] <Prisoner_> my video card is nVidia GeForce 5500 with 128mb RAM
[03:47] <cellofellow> well supported by the binary drivers
[03:48] <Prisoner_> I tried to load up some distros on this old 400mhz, none of them wanted to work with it until I saw some kid at our PC Usergroup meeting with Ubuntu so I decided to try it
[03:48] <Prisoner_> tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu, like Xubuntu
[03:49] <Prisoner_> KDE is a nice desktop, but a little resource heavy, so I went with XFCE Xubuntu
[03:50] <cellofellow> I don't like GNOME. But XFCE and Fluxbox and KDE are cool. I had Kubuntu on here, but decided to switch.
[03:51] <Prisoner_> the machine I plan to install it on is a 1.583ghz with 512mb RAM, but I perfer the CPU and RAM resources be devoted to apps, not desktop and OS
[03:52] <cellofellow> Yeah. Apps are called such for a reason. They are what you use the computer for in the first place.
[03:52] <cellofellow> if that makes sense
[03:52] <Prisoner_> that's why I want to use XFCE, according to my research, it doesn't use as much resources as the others
[03:52] <Prisoner_> I agree with you 100%, your PC is for running apps, not OSes
[03:53] <cellofellow> :)
[03:53] <BrendanM> I can't deal with fluxbox, it's way too minimalist for me.
[03:53] <cellofellow> fluxbox itself is, but with a few helper programs it works great.
[03:54] <Prisoner_> I found one problem with XFCE so far in its burning software XFBURN
[03:54] <BrendanM> I like Xfce because it seems like a good compromise between being a "nice" desktop and being lightweight
[03:54] <Prisoner_> haven't tried fluxbox
[03:54] <cellofellow> never used it. I don't have a burner. There's always other stuff.
[03:54] <BrendanM> Yeah, I don't have a burner either.
[03:54] <Prisoner_> for some reason, at least on this box, XFBurn will burn data, but not ISOs
[03:55] <BrendanM> I'm sure there's a ton of other burning programs out there.
[03:55] <cellofellow> XFCE is really nice. A desktop without bloat.
[03:55] <cellofellow> search in apt and you'll find like 50.
[03:55] <Prisoner_> I installed K3B and it works fine
[03:55] <cellofellow> well, K3B is good, but why a KDE app?
[03:56] <Prisoner_> it was there
[03:57] <Prisoner_> There are probably better choices I'm sure, but I found it in a repository and decided to try it since others said it was good
[03:57] <cellofellow> well, it's there so don't bother removing it.
[03:58] <Prisoner_> the other machine I'm planning to put Xubuntu on has 2 burners in it, one is a CDR/RW burner with DVD Reader, the other burns CDs and DVDs
[03:58] <Prisoner_> when I put it on my other machine, I might try another CD burn app
[03:58] <cellofellow> as far as I've heard, K3B is the best.
[03:58] <grazie> k3b is a great app, but it's out of place on xfce. graveman works well and is light
[03:59] <Prisoner_> I'll keep that in mind
[03:59] <Prisoner_> I'm going to use whatever works
[03:59] <Prisoner_> other than being "out of place," are there any problems running KDE or Gnome apps on a XFCE desktop
[04:00] <cellofellow> some RAM and HDD consumption by the extra libraries.
[04:00] <Prisoner_> I'll keep that in mind
[04:01] <cellofellow> especially with KDE apps, cause they use the Qt graphics toolkit, while GNOME at least still use GTK and don't look out of place.
[04:01] <Prisoner_> that is good to know, I'll try to stick with XFCE apps when possible
[04:01] <Mlittle> could i get a recommendation for a light mp3 player?
[04:01] <cellofellow> xmms
[04:01] <Prisoner_> it is cool I can run these different kinds of apps
[04:02] <cellofellow> :) linux is awesome
[04:02] <Mlittle> xmms as a music player?
[04:02] <Prisoner_> I'm going to need player(s) that will do CD, MP3, DVD, etc when I install on my other system
[04:02] <cellofellow> Mlittle: xmms is really light. mp3blaster is curses.
[04:02] <cellofellow> Mlittle: dunno what else to use xmms for.
[04:03] <cellofellow> Prisoner_: I use VLC for DVD. and XMMS and Exaile for MP3 and Ogg.
[04:03] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:03] <Mlittle> well i'm using banshee for its iPod abilities, but if I don't need that it's too big
[04:03] <cellofellow> Exaile then
[04:03] <Prisoner_> I also plan to burn DVDs from MPEG video, nothing bootlegged, strictly legal
[04:03] <cellofellow> it's not in repos, but there is a deb package on exaile.org
[04:03] <cellofellow> Mlittle: Exaile does iPods
[04:06] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:06] <Mlittle> I'd love to use exaile in that case, if someone doesn't mind walking me through the deb package
[04:07] <Prisoner_> I have 2 pieces of hardware I'm worried about not working
[04:08] <cellofellow> Mlittle: do to website, download, open terminal, cd to directory the deb file is in, and run sudo dpkg -i exail....deb
[04:09] <Prisoner_> an Agere Winmodem and a Primascan Colorado 2400 USB scanner, not finding much on those for Linux out there
[04:09] <Mlittle> Slow down Cowboy! "cd to directory"?
[04:12] <cellofellow> cd /home/mlittle/whereyoudownloadedtoo
[04:12] <Prisoner_> another question, where is a good place to keep data?
[04:12] <cellofellow> sorry, I sort of assume basic cli knowledge
[04:13] <cellofellow> Prisoner_: in your home dir. you can organize it however you like
[04:13] <cellofellow> Prisoner_: XSane should work for the scanner.
[04:14] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:14] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:16] <Prisoner_> I currently have a download foldero n my desktop
[04:17] <Mlittle> cd /home/mlittle/desktop/downloads
[04:17] <Mlittle> is not working
[04:17] <Mlittle> something to do with desktop?
[04:17] <cellofellow> case sensitive. Desktop on desktop.
[04:17] <cellofellow> not
[04:18] <Prisoner_> thanks
[04:18] <Prisoner_> the other thing I'm worried aobut is my Garmin GPS unit, it connects to my PC using a serial cable
[04:19] <Mlittle> i think i tried both....
[04:19] <cellofellow> no idea how to do that.
[04:19] <Mlittle> nope, i forgot a 'l'
[04:20] <Mlittle> got it!
[04:20] <Mlittle> next step?
[04:20] <cellofellow> type ls
[04:21] <Mlittle> so, run sudo dpkg -i exaile_0.2.8_i386.deb  ?
[04:21] <cellofellow> yeah. make it easier on yourself and do exaile<tab key>
[04:22] <Mlittle> oohh, that's neat
[04:23] <cellofellow> once that's done, it should be in the multimedia section of your menu
[04:23] <cellofellow> :) Bash is sweet.
[04:23] <Mlittle> run command not found
[04:23] <cellofellow> sure you said dpkg
[04:23] <cellofellow> ?
[04:23] <cellofellow> run isn't a command
[04:23] <Mlittle> ok
[04:23] <cellofellow> just "sudo ..."
[04:23] <Mlittle> ohhh, you were using a verb up above
[04:23] <BrendanM> quotes are helpful.
[04:24] <BrendanM> yep
[04:24] <cellofellow> :)
[04:24] <cellofellow> yeah, sorry
[04:24] <Mlittle> oh boy! it's working
[04:27] <cellofellow> :)
[04:27] <BrendanM> haha
[04:28] <BrendanM> one cool thing about Linux is you almost never have to reboot when installing software
[04:28] <cellofellow> 'cept like a new version of Linux itself.
[04:29] <Prisoner_> I just installed some software from a repository
[04:29] <cellofellow> nice
[04:31] <Prisoner_> now where did it put it?
[04:31] <cellofellow> wherever. usually it's got a launcher in the menu somewhere.
[04:32] <Prisoner_> put some GPS software on it
[04:32] <cellofellow> most packages put an executable in /usr/bin, background binary files in /usr/lib, source files (if available) in /usr/src, and non-executable other files in /usr/share.
[04:34] <BrendanM> you can also go into synaptic, and check "properties" for the package
[04:34] <BrendanM> and one of the tabs will tell you all the files it installed and where it put them
[04:36] <cellofellow> just calls dpkg -L packagename
[04:36] <BrendanM> Oh, I've been meaning to ask this, is there a good GUI for editing the menu? "Settings...menu editor" doesn't really work, so I've just manually making .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[04:37] <cellofellow> that's the way I do it. A tip. /home/yourname/.local/share/applications/ takes precedence over /usr/share/applications and doesn't need root to edit.
[04:38] <BrendanM> oh, that is convenient
[04:38] <BrendanM> Is that something that's going to be fixed/improved for Feisty you think?
[04:39] <cellofellow> no. XFCE 4.4 stable is pretty much the same, just more stable than the Beta 2 in Edgy. 4.5 might fix that.
[04:39] <Prisoner_> thank I found one of the pices of software
[04:43] <Prisoner_> now this thing won't execute, bummer
[04:43] <cellofellow> what is it you're trying to execute?
[04:43] <Prisoner_> gpsbabel
[04:44] <Prisoner_> found the executable, but it won't run
[04:44] <cellofellow> just type gpsbabel in the run dialog "Alt+F2"
[04:45] <Prisoner_> nothing happening yet
[04:45] <cellofellow> open a terminal and see what errors you get.
[04:47] <Prisoner_> should I run it in a terminal window?
[04:47] <cellofellow> yeah
[04:47] <cellofellow> it will tell you things
[04:47] <Prisoner_> how exactly
[04:48] <cellofellow> type gpsbabel
[04:48] <cellofellow> terminal is Applications => System
[04:48] <cellofellow> is in
[04:50] <Prisoner_> ahh I think I see what happened, these aren't GUI apps, they are command line
[04:50] <cellofellow> oh, hehe
[04:50] <cellofellow> is there an xgpsbabel?
[04:50] <Prisoner_> typical noob screwup
[04:50] <cellofellow> !gpsbabel
[04:50] <ubotu> gpsbabel: GPS file conversion plus transfer to/from GPS units. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.7-1 (edgy), package size 212 kB, installed size 528 kB
[04:50] <BrendanM> that'll do it. There might be a gui frontend too
[04:50] <Prisoner_> I do a little geocaching and want a linux app for it
[04:51] <Prisoner_> I can probably deal with command line, but GUI would be nice
[04:52] <Prisoner_> gotten spoiled by it
[04:53] <cellofellow> I keep moving from GUI, which I've used since forever, to CLI.
[04:53] <Prisoner_> need to check out now, been fun
[04:53] <Prisoner_> cya later
[04:53] <cellofellow> ok
[04:54] <cellofellow> byebye.
[04:57] <cellofellow> anybody here know how to use good old-fashioned UNIX mail? I'm trying to give my brother a message.
[05:01] <cellofellow> there isn't any /var/mail/username maildirs. how do I fix that?
[05:25] <stinger_au> yo
[05:28] <stinger_au> Question: does Xubuntu support DVB ?
[05:28] <cellofellow> dvb?
[05:29] <stinger_au> digital TV
[05:29] <stinger_au> does it support winfast DTV1000
[05:35] <stinger_au> ok different question what about bandwidth allocation ?
[05:36] <cellofellow> all a bit over my particular head
[05:37] <stinger_au> k
[06:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> stinger_au: re dvb: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/dvb-utils
[06:27] <cellofellow> thanks PuMpErNiCkLe
[07:13] <huang> how to config "xfce4-session-logout" so that "suspend" is linked to "acpitool -s" ?
[07:21] <lan56> hello; I am trying to install xubuntu, and when I run ntfsresize off of the livecd to try and partition to have a dual boot computer, ntfsresize crashes and aborts with the error message "*** glibc detected *** double free or corrupted"
[07:21] <lan56> it happens every time, and I don't know what to do
[07:21] <lan56> any help?
[07:21] <lan56> or even any information at all about this error would be much appreciated :)
[07:27] <Mlittle> wish I could help you man, I'm a noob too
[07:27] <Mlittle> you could try the #ubuntu forums, it might be more active
[07:28] <Commander-Crowe> whats the problem?
[07:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'd recommend running a few repair tools from within windows.  e.g; defrag, and a disk diagnostic utility.  Wacked out partitions can sometimes cause that error.
[07:29] <lan56> well I do have "at least" 14 bad sectors
[07:29] <lan56> but I have defragged twice in windows and run chkdsk /r /f
[07:29] <lan56> and both of those went fine, so I am out of ideas
[07:30] <lan56> Mlittle: I have asked there about 10 mins ago, there are too many ongoing discussions though, so mine was ignored
[07:30] <lan56> perhaps I should just try defragging again or maybe running chkdsk again?
[07:30] <lan56> or something else maybe
[07:32] <lan56> it does it a few minutes after it says "Resetting $LogFile ... (this might take a while)"
[07:32] <lan56> it says that, works for a few minutes, then crashes
[07:35] <huang> how to config "xfce4-session-logout" so that "suspend" is linked to "acpitool -s" ?
[09:28] <maxamillion> !ipod
[09:28] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[09:28] <maxamillion> :)
[09:29] <maxamillion> !rockbox
[09:29] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[09:29] <maxamillion> interesting ....
[10:28] <esc_on_anakin> morning
[10:57] <munk3h> does anyone here use tomboy in the current version of xubuntu?
[11:00] <munk3h> I take that as a no.
[11:01] <munk3h> I'm having trouble with it. Seems that it doesn't display it's tray icon in the System Tray, so I can't use it.
[11:11] <munk3h> wow, it's dead in here. Maybe #lugradio has some action
[11:44] <stinger_au> yo
[11:44] <stinger_au> where can i find out what the different install methods mean ?
[11:46] <Dh3Y0> !zynaddsubfx
[11:46] <ubotu> zynaddsubfx: Realtime software synthesizer for Linux. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.2.1-4 (edgy), package size 949 kB, installed size 2172 kB
[11:46] <munk3h> does anyone here use tomboy in the current version of xubuntu?
[01:01] <Dh3Y0> hi i just timed out while tryin to install a couple of software packages
[01:02] <Dh3Y0> how do i fix the missing installation files????????
[01:05] <Dh3Y0> nvm got it fixed
[01:10] <Laibsch> Hi
[01:10] <Laibsch> Any VoIP'ers around?
[01:10] <gabkdlly> yes
[01:10] <Laibsch> What is a good softphone for Ubuntu?
[01:10] <gabkdlly> Ekiga is standard, but I use Twinkle
[01:10] <Laibsch> The ones I have seen so far are all lacking here or there.
[01:11] <Laibsch> gabkdlly: I have both installed, but there are things I miss in both of them.
[01:11] <Laibsch> I may be overlooking something but it seems that for example you cannot have a buddy list with either of them or can you?
[01:12] <Laibsch> What I have not yet figured out with ekiga for example is how to choose which provider to use for calling.
[01:12] <Laibsch> This is not such a big deal when calling VoIP to VoIP, but it becomes an issue when only some of your accounts can do VoIP to landline.
[01:13] <Laibsch> gabkdlly: Do you have a solution?
[01:13] <gabkdlly> Ekiga integrates with Evolution's addressbook, but as far as I know there is such thing as a buddy list that tells you who is online. I could be wrong though
[01:15] <gabkdlly> ekiga->edit->accounts   lets you choose which account is supposed to be your default, or activate or deactivate accounts
[01:15] <adrian15> I need information on how to convert a xubuntu into a fluxbuntu.
[01:15] <gabkdlly> twinkle has a pull down menu that lets you pick which account you want to use right now
[01:16] <adrian15>  I need information on how to convert a xubuntu into a fluxbuntu. Do you have the command? Or an url to the explanation? Thank you.
[01:17] <Laibsch> gabkdlly: Well, that is true.  But changing the default account that way every time is quite a pain.
[01:17] <Laibsch> Yes, twinkle is easy in that respect.
[01:17] <TheSheep> adrian15: try asking on #fluxbuntu
[01:18] <adrian15> TheSheep: good answer
[03:36] <nicolah> Hi guys, I'd like to setup the autologin with xubuntu
[03:36] <nicolah> is it possible ?
[03:37] <nicolah> I use the "login window preferences" and I set Enable Automatic Login and write down my username. Then this setting gets ignored
[03:38] <nicolah> should I enable the Timed Login ? (I don't even know what it is)
[04:08] <munk3h> hello
[04:19] <carl_> my kbd shortcuts stopped working in xfce .. they work in gnome though .. the shortcuts are enabled in beryl .. its the win key that wont work .. someone know of a remedy for this
[04:25] <TheSheep> carl_: gnome (metcity), beryl and xfce are separate programs using separate shortuct settings
[04:26] <carl_> TheSheep: yes i know that... but im using beryl in both xfce and gnome .. and it only reacts to the winkey in gnome
[04:27] <carl_> actually it seems as if it wont recognize the winkeys at all.. when i try mapping it in the native shortcuts handling.. it reacts to other buttons though
[04:28] <Jeff_> i have a problem, it's very simple but i guess i am just an idiot or to pissed off to think straight
[04:28] <Jeff_> So i run this on my laptop
[04:29] <Jeff_> it has built in wireless and the only way to make the wireless connect is to scan for the networks available, then go to the network settings and change the essid before it will connect, is there not a program that should automatically configure and connect my wireless settings
[04:40] <michaelpo> i tried xubuntu 7.04beta on a p2 128mb ram machine... it booted halfway then stopped... what's wrong
[04:44] <grazie> michaelpo: the desktop (live) cd?
[04:46] <michaelpo> yes... livecd
[04:48] <grazie> michaelpo: you should really be using the alternate cd with only 128M of ram
[04:50] <michaelpo> ok... i will download thealternatecd.... thanks...
[05:53] <nicolah> which permissions should have /home directory ?
[05:53] <nicolah> to allow xfce4 to use it
[05:54] <munk3h> Do you mean "which permissions should /home directory have to allow xfce4 to use it
[05:55] <nicolah> yes I do
[05:55] <munk3h> Mine is
[05:55] <munk3h> drwxr-xr-x   4 root   root   4096 2006-10-18 16:33 home
[05:56] <nicolah> I have to use chmod what to set it like that ?
[06:02] <munk3h> chmod 755 <directory name>
[06:05] <munk3h> doh, person has gone
[06:21] <nicolah> in thunar, if you click on a file/folder then select properties. In the permissions tab there's an option called "other files" which others file is referred to ?
[06:46] <Mlittle> So i'm running xubuntu off an 800mhz Duron, and that poor thing goes flat out the second anything happens.  The whole system feels somewhat sluggish, is there anything I can do to go easier on the cpu?
[06:53] <hyper_ch> Mlittle: deactive service you don't need
[06:54] <hyper_ch> enable 3d
[06:54] <hyper_ch> use a different desktop
[06:54] <hyper_ch> turn off the gui and use only cli
[06:54] <Mlittle> lol no gui is not an option
[06:55] <Mlittle> but thanks for those tips
[06:56] <hyper_ch> how much ram have you got?
[06:56] <hyper_ch> and what is sluggish?
[06:56] <hyper_ch> I tend to think 800mhz should be fine
[06:56] <hyper_ch> 256mb ram/800mhz should really be fine
[06:56] <grazie> Mlittle: do you know how to use top?
[06:57] <Mlittle> i've got 256/800
[06:57] <Mlittle> grazie: I don't
[06:58] <hyper_ch> Mlittle: open a shell window and enter "top"
[06:59] <hyper_ch> Mlittle: and you'll see what are the most cpu-intense tasks running
[07:00] <Mlittle> ohhh interesting
[07:00] <Mlittle> mostly firefox and python
[07:00] <grazie> firefox!
[07:00] <Mlittle> yeah, 22%
[07:00] <Mlittle> well, 15-22
[07:00] <hyper_ch> firefox is a memory hog... sometimes it needs to be restarted
[07:01] <Mlittle> 18% of mem
[07:01] <Mlittle> i cut the cache down to 25mb
[07:09] <hyper_ch> ???
[07:10] <hyper_ch> what do you mean you cut the cache down?
[07:10] <hyper_ch> how much swap do you have?
[07:13] <Mlittle> swap's low
[07:13] <Mlittle> 90/493 used
[07:14] <Mlittle> *90/439
[07:19] <siegfried__> Hello! Is there a good web page that describes the differences between debian and xubuntu, kunbutu and other variants?
[07:22] <grazie> siegfried__: ubuntu=base os + gnome, kubuntu=base os + kde, xubuntu=base os + xfce
[07:23] <siegfried__> Thanks grazie. And what what about debian v. ubuntu?
[07:24] <grazie> siegfried__: x vs y doesn't really apply
[07:25] <siegfried__> Is ubuntu derived from debian? I thought it was.
[07:25] <grazie> siegfried__: ubuntu was originally based on the long established distro debian, yes
[07:57] <BrendanM> Does anyone know how to enable window transparency?
[07:59] <Akuma_> is it possible to select lilo when installing xubuntu?
[08:09] <rippawallet> am pissed off now
[08:09] <rippawallet> lol
[08:10] <rippawallet> Anyone there?
[08:10] <grazie> BrendanM: yes, maxamillion was going to put something on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu....I'll just check
[08:11] <grazie> me
[08:11] <rippawallet> Anyone know how to fix the no root file system error
[08:11] <rippawallet> on installation
[08:11] <rippawallet> on the livecd
[08:11] <rippawallet> lol
[08:11] <rippawallet> :)?
[08:11] <grazie> if the livecd is broken through it away
[08:11] <rippawallet> no
[08:11] <rippawallet> its not broken
[08:11] <rippawallet> its a bug
[08:12] <rippawallet> apparerntly
[08:12] <rippawallet> not on the cd
[08:12] <rippawallet> but on the iso
[08:12] <grazie> edgy? 6.10?
[08:12] <rippawallet> 6.06
[08:13] <grazie> what's the known bug?
[08:13] <rippawallet> in the install program
[08:13] <rippawallet> when i get to partition discs
[08:14] <rippawallet> and mount my partition for xubuntu as /
[08:14] <rippawallet> it says no root system file
[08:14] <grazie> BrendanM: I can't see it on the wiki, I'll chase it up...hopefully something there in the next few days
[08:14] <rippawallet> ive read about it other places
[08:14] <rippawallet> but no solution
[08:15] <grazie> rippawallet: i don't know dapper, so i've no solution either
[08:15] <rippawallet> :(
[08:15] <rippawallet> bad shit always are happen to me =(
[08:16] <grazie> but i vaguely remember someone mentioning this...maybe TheSheep knows
[08:16] <rippawallet> TheSheep: you around?
[08:17] <TheSheep> rippawallet: yes?
[08:17] <rippawallet> lol
[08:17] <rippawallet> ^^
[08:17] <rippawallet> maybe i will give the 6.10 one a go..
[08:19] <grazie> TheSheep: telepathy time...?
[08:20] <TheSheep> http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/10/ubuntu_edgy_install_frustratio.html
[08:21] <rippawallet> thanks TheSheep ill have a read
[08:21] <TheSheep> rippawallet: here is the fix:
[08:21] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1700787
[08:21] <TheSheep> rippawallet: use mousepad instead of gedit
[08:22] <rippawallet> ok thanks
[08:23] <rippawallet> err
[08:23] <rippawallet> will that kubuntu fix work
[08:23] <rippawallet> for xubuntu
[08:23] <rippawallet> nope
[08:23] <rippawallet> i tried that one yesterday
[08:23] <rippawallet> lol
[08:23] <rippawallet> didnt work
[08:24] <TheSheep> rippawallet: maybe you didn't follow the instructions closely?
[08:25] <rippawallet> instructions for what
[08:25] <rippawallet> no
[08:25] <rippawallet> i did
[08:25] <TheSheep> well, you can try the alternate cd hen
[08:25] <TheSheep> then
[08:25] <rippawallet> i think
[08:25] <rippawallet> what does it mean by Make sure you leave the indentation in before the word "pass".  Save the file, close it, and then you can run the installer.
[08:25] <TheSheep> it's another download though
[08:26] <rippawallet>                       ^^
[08:26] <TheSheep> rippawallet: indentation means that the word 'pass' should have more spaces before it than the 'if' on the previous line
[08:27] <rippawallet> hmm orite
[08:27] <rippawallet> maybe ill try that
[08:27] <TheSheep> rippawallet: there are more posts in that thread on the forum, seem like people have more solutions
[08:27] <rippawallet> thanks
[08:33] <fxr> can u burn audio cds' from mp3's with xfburn or do i need a different app?
[08:39] <xxl3w> After I run rdesktop at fullscreen how do i switch back to x-windows without logging out of the terminal service session?
[08:47] <rippawallet> ok
[08:47] <rippawallet> so the fix worked
[08:47] <rippawallet> but now i get different errors
[08:47] <rippawallet> when its installing files
[08:49] <rippawallet> which makes me sad :(
[08:49] <rippawallet> :-[
[08:50] <Mlittle> ;(
[08:50] <TheSheep> rippawallet: well, my mind-reading abilities have their limits, do tell what kind of errors you get.
[08:50] <rippawallet> :(
[08:50] <rippawallet> err
[08:50] <rippawallet> i forgot
[08:50] <rippawallet> one sec
[08:50] <rippawallet> XD
[08:51] <rippawallet> what file system do swap partitions need to be
[08:51] <xxl3w> my question has to be easier :P
[08:51] <TheSheep> swap
[08:51] <xxl3w> nvm, no it's not.
[08:51] <rippawallet> orite
[08:51] <rippawallet> linux-swap?
[08:51] <TheSheep> yes
[08:52] <rippawallet> ok
[08:52] <rippawallet> here are my errors
[08:52] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[08:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:52] <rippawallet> i know i know
[08:52] <TheSheep> :)
[08:52] <rippawallet> :P
[08:52] <rippawallet> err
[08:52] <rippawallet> okay......
[08:52] <rippawallet> now install doesnt run
[08:52] <rippawallet> LOL
[08:52] <TheSheep> kewl
[08:53] <rippawallet> missing command to run
[08:53] <rippawallet> XD
[08:53] <rippawallet> ok
[08:53] <rippawallet> ill reboot
[08:53] <rippawallet> sec
[08:53] <TheSheep> rippawallet: when you boot the live cd, there is an option in the menu to check the cd for defects
[08:53] <TheSheep> rippawallet: good to just make sure :)
[08:53] <rippawallet> i took no notice of it
[08:53] <rippawallet> i wil ldo it
[08:53] <rippawallet> thanks :P
[08:53] <rippawallet> probably my PC being gay
[08:53] <rippawallet> _
[08:54] <TheSheep> rippawallet: naah, it would be a mac ;)
[08:54] <xxl3w> my PC is asexual
[08:54] <TheSheep> mine is a she
[08:54] <TheSheep> most of it
[08:54] <xxl3w> lol
[08:55] <xxl3w> you wouldn't happen to have any ideas about my question, eh?
[08:55] <TheSheep> xxl3w: you'd have to ask it first, I'm afraid
[08:55] <TheSheep> xxl3w: ah, I see it now, sorry
[08:55] <xxl3w> lol :P
[08:56] <xxl3w> i just read the manual
[08:56] <xxl3w> i have two options i'm about to try///
[08:56] <TheSheep> xxl3w: the original windows rdesktop used alt+ctrl+del for special stuff, afair
[08:56] <TheSheep> xxl3w: try f11 or f12
[08:56] <TheSheep> xxl3w: or just read the decomuntation ^^)
[08:56] <Joe-C> Excuse me, I just installed Xubuntu on my computer.  I dont know how to switch to Windows (I partitioned my computer.), and I dont know how to change my keyboard settings.  (It is set to Canadian English, I want American English.)
[08:57] <TheSheep> !keyboard
[08:57] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[08:57] <TheSheep> Joe-C: to boot to windows, press 'esc' when your computer boots, then select weindows from the menu
[08:58] <Joe-C> TheSheep:  Thank you very much!
[08:58] <TheSheep> Joe-C: you can also make the menu always appear or make windows the default
[08:58] <TheSheep> but who'd want that ;)
[08:58] <BrendanM> xxl3w, ctrl+alt+enter
[08:59] <BrendanM> to switch out of full-screen rdesktop
[09:00] <xxl3w> do tell
[09:00] <xxl3w> awesome
[09:00] <xxl3w> gotta try that
[09:01] <xxl3w> i was thinking today about that.... i mean, i don't see a reason we'd need to use it
[09:01] <xxl3w> but then again.... it is connecting to win2003 server.
[09:01] <rippawallet> the cd check returned okay
[09:01] <xxl3w> that was quick
[09:01] <rippawallet> TheSheep: ill just run the install now
[09:02] <xxl3w> i tried it once and after about 30 mins i stopped it
[09:02] <rippawallet> LOL
[09:02] <rippawallet> wtfgt
[09:02] <rippawallet> missing command to run
[09:02] <rippawallet> is what i get
[09:02] <rippawallet> unless....
[09:02] <rippawallet> orite
[09:03] <rippawallet> it works
[09:03] <rippawallet> i was doing applications>system>install
[09:03] <rippawallet> :>
[09:03] <xxl3w> thank you sir, for your help
[09:03] <rippawallet> no problem
[09:03] <xxl3w> lol
[09:03] <xxl3w> not your help
[09:03] <xxl3w> bredon
[09:03] <rippawallet> XD
[09:04] <rippawallet> brb dinner
[09:04] <rippawallet> oh
[09:04] <rippawallet> i can stay a minute
[09:04] <rippawallet> lol
[09:04] <rippawallet> ok
[09:04] <rippawallet> here is the partitioner
[09:04] <rippawallet> sec
[09:05] <rippawallet> _
[09:05] <rippawallet> i always get errors
[09:12] <rippawallet> hm
[09:13] <rippawallet> how do i jjoin another server in gaim
[09:13] <rippawallet> XD
[09:14] <rippawallet> \server doesnt work
[09:14] <rippawallet> but a forward slash
[09:14] <rippawallet> lol
[09:18] <Joe-C> !keyboard
[09:18] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[09:20] <Joe-C> I went into Setup after restarting my computer, but couldnt figure out how to start Windows again.  Sorry to ask again, but how do I switch back to Windows on a partitioned hard drive?
[09:23] <Joe-C> When I attempt to edit my xorg.conf file to switch my keyboard layout, it says "Can't open file to write", so when I restart my computer, it goes back to Canadian English, but I want American English.
[09:24] <maxamillion> Joe-C: how did you attempt to edit the file?
[09:26] <Joe-C> maxamillion: I found it using Thunar and attempted to edit it in mousepad.
[09:27] <maxamillion> Joe-C: Alt+F2 will open a run dialog and enter into that "gksudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf" (without the quotes of course)
[09:28] <maxamillion> Joe-C: it was just because you didn't have file permissions because you need to have root, su, or sudo privilages
[09:28] <Joe-C> Thank you maxamillion!
[09:28] <Joe-C> Do you know how to switch partitions?
[09:30] <maxamillion> switch partitions?
[09:30] <maxamillion> could you describe what it is you are trying to do?
[09:30] <Joe-C> Yes, so I can go back to Windows.
[09:30] <rippawalle1> i think he means
[09:30] <rippawalle1> choose between windows and ubuntu
[09:30] <maxamillion> ohhh ....
[09:30] <rippawalle1> ^^
[09:30] <Joe-C> That's right, sorry I didn't explain it better.
[09:30] <maxamillion> Joe-C: did you install windows or linux first?
[09:30] <Joe-C> Windows.
[09:30] <maxamillion> Joe-C: no worries :)
[09:31] <maxamillion> Joe-C: awesome .... ok, just open a terminal and do "sudo update-grub" (again, without the quotes) and then reboot ... it should let you select which one you want at boot time
[09:33] <Joe-C> maxamillion & rippawalle1: Thank you very much!  I'll go try it!  Will I be able to select it in Setup, or will a menu appear?
[09:34] <maxamillion> menu will appear
[09:34] <maxamillion> well ... it should
[09:34] <Joe-C> Thanks again!
[09:34] <maxamillion> if it doesn't, just come back and let me know
[09:34] <rippawalle1> Bye.
[09:34] <Joe-C> Will do, bye!
[09:34] <rippawalle1> now for my problems
[09:34] <rippawalle1> D:
[09:34] <maxamillion> rippawalle1: shoot
[09:35] <rippawalle1> none as of yet
[09:35] <rippawalle1> :D
[09:35] <maxamillion> oh ... lol
[09:35] <maxamillion> awesome!
[09:35] <rippawalle1> but i have a feeling i will get some soon
[09:35] <rippawalle1> XD
[09:35] <maxamillion> why, you doing something crazy like recompiling a custom kernel?
[09:35] <rippawalle1> errr
[09:35] <rippawalle1> rofl
[09:35] <rippawalle1> no
[09:35] <rippawalle1> XD
[09:35] <rippawalle1> hehe
[09:35] <rippawalle1> well
[09:35] <rippawalle1> im trying all different ubuntu types
[09:35] <rippawalle1> and im trying xubuntu
[09:36] <rippawalle1> and installing
[09:36] <rippawalle1> XD
[09:36] <rippawalle1> but
[09:36] <rippawalle1> had to edit the python code
[09:36] <rippawalle1> because of the installation bug
[09:36] <rippawalle1> __
[09:36] <maxamillion> rippawalle1: trying different types won't cause problems ... they all use the same ubuntu-base so if one works, then they all should
[09:36] <maxamillion> python code on install?
[09:36] <rippawalle1> yars
[09:36] <rippawalle1> yeah
[09:37] <maxamillion> huh ... didn't know python controlled the installation
[09:37] <rippawalle1> theres a python script
[09:37] <maxamillion> interesting
[09:37] <rippawalle1> usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/something.py
[09:37] <rippawalle1> lol
[09:37] <rippawalle1> like
[09:37] <rippawalle1> validation.py
[09:38] <rippawalle1> which see's if the partition you chose is mounted as /
[09:38] <rippawalle1> and other stuff
[09:38] <maxamillion> ohhh ok
[09:38] <rippawalle1> ;D
[09:41] <rippawalle1> sudo update-grub
[09:41] <rippawalle1> err
[09:41] <rippawalle1> wtf
[09:41] <maxamillion> rippawalle1: ?
[09:41] <rippawalle1> upubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo update-grub
[09:41] <rippawalle1> Searching for GRUB installation directory ...
[09:41] <rippawalle1> No GRUB directory found.
[09:41] <rippawalle1> is that good
[09:41] <rippawalle1> >_<
[09:41] <rippawalle1> well
[09:41] <maxamillion> is that on a livecd?
[09:41] <rippawalle1> im still on the livecd
[09:41] <rippawalle1> yeah
[09:41] <rippawalle1> ok
[09:41] <rippawalle1> brb mate
[09:41] <maxamillion> yeah, you would have to specify the location
[09:41] <maxamillion> ok
[09:46] <fijam7> hello
[09:49] <icheyne> is it worth upgrading to XFCE 4.4?
[09:49] <icheyne> if so, how do I do it?
[09:49] <icheyne> I'm at 4.3.99.xxx
[09:54] <rippawallet> :D
[09:54] <icheyne> :?
[09:55] <rippawallet> xubuntu successfully installed
[10:10] <TheSheep> !yeah
[10:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yeah - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:10] <TheSheep> :/
[10:10] <TheSheep> !yeahconsole
[10:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yeahconsole - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:11] <rippawallet> TheSheep: all installed successfuilly
[10:11] <rippawallet> :D
[10:11] <TheSheep> rippawallet: congratulations
[10:11] <rippawallet> :P
[10:11] <TheSheep> rippawallet: what were the other errors?
[10:12] <rippawallet> its fine now
[10:12] <rippawallet> i just deleted linux partition
[10:13] <rippawallet> and then clicked use unused space
[10:13] <rippawallet> or some shit
[10:13] <rippawallet> lol
[10:26] <non> An install on a laptop keeps hanging on "Updating anthy.dic" do I need anthy?
[10:33] <TheSheep> :)
[10:33] <TheSheep> non: you don't nee anthy
[10:33] <TheSheep> non: you unless you're Japanese
[10:33] <fxr> whats the story with these broken kernel updates.. ?? i was gonna have a play with VMWARE tonight, am i safe to do do..?
[10:34] <non> would anthy load with the normal language stuff?
[10:35] <Commander-Crowe> who's anna nichole smith?
[10:35] <Commander-Crowe> oops
[10:35] <Commander-Crowe> wrong channe;
[10:35] <Commander-Crowe> l
[10:35] <cyberyak> she used to work at Hartz Crispy Chicken.
[10:36] <fxr> arf
[10:36] <non> shes no one now
[10:36] <cyberyak> maxamillion, what will you do for an encore? Superkaramba?
[10:37] <cyberyak> or are they still impressed with the right clicking for a "Start" Menu?
[10:37] <TheSheep> non: you can stop the generation of anthy dict by going to a second terminal and killing it
[10:37] <non> TheSheep: OK thanks
[10:38] <maxamillion> cyberyak: encore ... Superkaramba? ... i am not familiar with either of those
[10:38] <TheSheep> cyberyak: I spent two weeks trying to set it up on windows :)
[10:38] <TheSheep> maxamillion: encore=bis, superkaramba=macos dock ripoff
[10:38] <maxamillion> ah ok
[10:38] <maxamillion> thanks TheSheep
[10:41] <cyberyak> sorry, was on the phone-but basically what he said.
[10:42] <maxamillion> no worries
[10:43] <cyberyak> In vista, can you get the start menu with a rt. click?
[10:43] <cyberyak> on the desktop anywhere?
[10:45] <maxamillion> cyberyak: don't know ... never used vista
[10:46] <cyberyak> heheheh, I should load beryl and do a Brown Bag Training Session--we had one on Vista a while back.
[10:48] <grazie_> ...and I hope I never have to use vista
[10:52] <maxamillion> i wont!!!! they let me run linux at work so even when they do upgrade, i won't be bothered by it unless i have to fix it (which i assume will be far too often)
[10:53] <rippawallet> how do i add another user
[10:53] <rippawallet> and xubuntu
[10:54] <Mlittle> how do you add xubuntu?
[10:54] <maxamillion> rippawallet: sudo adduser
[10:54] <rippawallet> thx
[10:55] <maxamillion> np
[10:56] <rippawallet> adduser: Only one or two names allowed.
[10:57] <maxamillion> rippawallet: now many users you trying to add?
[10:57] <rippawallet> 1
[10:57] <rippawallet> >_<
[10:57] <maxamillion> rippawallet: Applications->System->Users and Groups
[10:57] <rippawallet> thanks
[10:57] <maxamillion> rippawallet: that's the GUI way ... i'm just a little old school ;)
[10:57] <rippawallet> lol
[10:57] <rippawallet> i forgot root pass
[10:57] <rippawallet> XD
[10:57] <rippawallet> oh well
[10:57] <rippawallet> i dont need
[10:57] <rippawallet> right
[10:58] <maxamillion> root pass is your pass ... unless you specifically enabled a root account and made a separate password for it
[10:58] <rippawallet> well
[10:58] <rippawallet> ii dont know
[10:58] <rippawallet> im trying to introduce my family to linux
[10:58] <rippawallet> do you know a good messenger
[10:58] <rippawallet> not gaim
[10:59] <cyberyak> there was a good one that I was using....pyEnhanced or something.
[10:59] <cyberyak> or there is an updated for of that.
[10:59] <rippawallet> tha nks
[11:00] <cyberyak> should be at freshmeat.net
[11:00] <grazie_> maxamillion: do you know if dapper supports compositor?
[11:00] <cyberyak> yahelite is supposed to run in wine.
[11:00] <maxamillion> grazie_: sure does
[11:00] <maxamillion> grazie_: compositor has been around in xfce for years
[11:01] <cyberyak> what is compositor?
[11:01] <grazie_> maxamillion: I've done some screencasts for enabling transparency. I'll put them on the wiki
[11:01] <grazie_> maxamillion: but I can't test with dapper
[11:02] <rippawallet> do i already have a compiler
[11:02] <maxamillion> cyberyak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce
[11:02] <rippawallet> with xubuntu
[11:02] <maxamillion> rippawallet: no .... use whatever package manager you enjoy best and install the package build-essential
[11:02] <grazie_> maxamillion: what do you think?
[11:02] <maxamillion> grazie_: ah, yeah ... dapper should be able the same, i don't have a dapper machine or else i would test for you
[11:03] <rippawallet> reccomend a good one?
[11:03] <rippawallet> D:
[11:03] <maxamillion> rippawallet: for what langauge?
[11:03] <rippawallet> patoi
[11:03] <rippawallet> C
[11:03] <maxamillion> rippawallet: gcc .. it is part of the build-essentials package
[11:04] <rippawallet> orite
[11:04] <rippawallet> XD
[11:04] <maxamillion> rippawallet: never heard of patoi
[11:04] <rippawallet> its jamaican
[11:04] <rippawallet> lol
[11:04] <maxamillion> rippawallet: jamaican for what?
[11:04] <grazie_> maxamillion: does compositor need to be set up like edgy or does it work out of the box?
[11:05] <maxamillion> cyberyak: sorry, that was a bad link to answer your question ... this one is better ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager
[11:05] <maxamillion> grazie_: no clue ... i never use it
[11:06] <barrett9h> Hi.  I installed mplayer from source, using checkinstall.  Now every time I boot, the update manager shows up, telling me to upgrade mplayer.  How do I override it?
[11:06] <grazie_> anyone using dapper?
[11:07] <rippawallet> maxamillion: I mean, its a jamican dialect
[11:07] <rippawallet> XD
[11:07] <maxamillion> ohhh ok
[11:07] <maxamillion> grazie_: not that i know of
[11:09] <grazie_> maxamillion: funny...I get ask about things by dapper users quite often....none around now though!
[11:11] <maxamillion> grazie_: lol, go figure
[11:21] <Pekke> maxamillion: hi! i tried to update dapper to egdy yesterday, but it ended up every time with the x11-common dependencies or something. i got my xubuntu updated and working again. i needed to change sources.list back to dapper, and then i did update, upgrade and install. after that i could use the graphical upgrading tool.
[11:22] <maxamillion> Pekke: noooo!!! don't use the graphical upgrade tool, it has a critical bug and can hurt your system
[11:22] <Pekke> well, i did it already, and this is working fine now....
[11:24] <TheSheep> maxamillion: I noticed that *adding* repositories for new version, instead of *replacing* the old repositiories with them makes it go a little smoother
[11:24] <maxamillion> TheSheep: oh .. interesting
[11:26] <Pekke> maxamillion: so what bug is in the graphical distribution tool? in the edgyUpgrade-site it says that the command-line upgrading fails easily..
[11:27] <maxamillion> Pekke: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/68027
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed]


[04:36] <mup> Bug #1690878 changed: Unreliable PXE-booting of Quanta S910-X31E <hwcert-server> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690878>
[06:00] <atdprhs> Hi guys, first merry christmas
[06:01] <atdprhs> do anyone know if it's possible if i have my maas to create and deploy pods vms in my machine, is it possible that I can also use the DNS in it to automatically forward my requests when i call the cname?
[08:02] <sentinel__> i have a slight issue at the moment with one of my rig's every time it boots after a while this starts repeating mdadm: CREATE user root not found mdadm: CREATE group disk not found
[22:34] <sentinel__> so i am having a issue with maas and that is the node i am atempting to set up keeps  giving me this (mdadm: CREATE user root not found)and (mdadm: CREATE group disk not found) infinately


[12:02] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: We have a CloudStack partner who would like passwords to be checked and possibly reset on each boot.
[12:02] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: The CloudStack data source does the password fetching etc.; will it be called on each boot?
[12:19] <smatzek> Odd_Bloke: doesn't datasource search happen on every boot? I think it does and get_data is called on each.  Cloud-init needs to do the datasource search to get the data to get the instance-id before it can check that vs the id on disk an no-op.
[12:21] <Odd_Bloke> True.
[12:21] <Odd_Bloke> And we also do filesystem checking at each boot for Azure.
[12:27] <Odd_Bloke> smatzek: Thanks. :)
[12:44] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So I think we'd need to modify the CloudStack DS to enable cc_set_passwords when it detected a new password. Does that sounds right?
[13:16] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, the cloudstatck datasource is probably read each boot, but probably setting of passwords does not happen.
[13:16] <smoser> but cc_set_passwords sets for all accounts.
[13:17] <smoser> so, yeah, you coudl do that. i guess.
[13:17] <smoser> but it'd be a seemingly likely failure path if they re-set the root password and kept their old known values for other users
[13:17] <smoser> and then cloud-init re-set those users passwords.
[13:27] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Blargh, this sounds painful.
[13:35] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, we want to fix this in 2.0 with "agent" like thing that can set password for the expected user in an api like way.
[13:38] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah.
[18:36] <openstackgerrit> Merged stackforge/cloud-init: Configure basic logging, and make it possible to log to console.  https://review.openstack.org/220536
[18:37] <openstackgerrit> Merged stackforge/cloud-init: Use a single source for version information.  https://review.openstack.org/220543


[14:44] <drmacro> Trying to figure what I did and if xfce is where I need to fix it. Ubuntustudio 19.04 on a laptop with the internal LCD and 2 hdmi ports. Somehow I messed with desktop config to the point that the login screen only shows up on one of the hdmi ports. If I type in the password blind after boot (the lcd screen is blank and the monitor is not plugged in) the login completes and shows up on the laptop screen as it should. Is there a set
[14:44] <drmacro> ting in xfce that controls this, if so, where/what is it?
[15:57] <Eickmeyer> drmacro: That's lightdm that does that, and I have never been able to figure out how to make it mirror displays (and, tbh, I haven't tried).
[16:00] <drmacro> Eickmeyer: I've now figured out that it is lightdm...but, I don't know how I changed it, can't find any lightdm doc that even mentions settings for monitor ports...I just want to put it back. :-(
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> drmacro: Yeah, I have no idea. We don't develop lightdm here.
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> drmacro: The only thing I found was this: https://openschoolsolutions.org/mirror-screens-automatically-hdmi/
 Would you recommend  19.04 for showcasing or training new people on all the FOSS graphics/media packages, or stay with 18.04lts?
[16:06] <drmacro> Eickmeyer: I skimmed that, I'll go back and have a closer look after lunch. But, it seems to be setting up udev to handle plug/unplug. Since I don't have it plugged in at boot...not sure.
 @designbybeck [Would you recommend  19.04 for showcasing or training new people on all the FOSS …], 19.04 has the latest stuff out-of-the-box, but 18.04 doesn't update very much (for Ubuntu Studio, it's not LTS unless you add the Ubuntu Studio Backports). It really depends on if you want to upgrade it every 6 months or not. If GIMP is s
[16:10] <studiobot> omething you need, 19.04 is what I'd recommend since it has the newer GIMP 2.10 (18.04 is stuck at 2.8 for various reasons).
 very good point @Eickmeyer , that is what I lean towards as well as far as showcasing at least. I want them to see the latest tools and at least start playing with it.
[16:34] <drmacro> studiobot: FWIW, the laptop that I'm talking about is to be used in a teaching recording studio. I chose to use 19.04.
[16:36] <drmacro> I would also note, and wonder why...apparently UBS 19.04 installs the latest version of Ardour, but, chooses to use non-standard (with respect to Ardour) install directories. Anybody know why?
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> drmacro: I'm speculating, but the version downloadable directly from Ardour installs in /opt ? That isn't standard for packaged software (like found in Ubuntu Studio's default install), so it goes into the standard directory by UNIX standards.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> drmacro: That said, there is no difference in terms of code.
[18:33] <drmacro> Eickmeyer: Yes, the /opt directory. I assume Paul & co. have reasons for using the /opt over the packaging standard?
[18:47] <Eickmeyer> drmacro: It's standard practice for any self-packaged software (not packaged by the operating system developers) to install into /opt. Google Chrome does the same.
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> drmacro: This explains the directory structure: https://www.howtogeek.com/117435/htg-explains-the-linux-directory-structure-explained/
[19:17] <drmacro> Eickmeyer: Ok, thinks, I get the structure (I started in Unix...I'm BT (Before Torvalds ;-)) ), I'm just not up on the distro packaging, developer install, etc.


[02:26] <ChinnoDog> @crickets
[02:26] <PennBot> http://www.instantcrickets.com
[03:23] <andrew> ChinnoDog: Sorry, I was busy rock climbing
[03:29] <ChinnoDog> That sounds fun
[03:29] <ChinnoDog> I have no rocks to climb. :-(
[03:46] <andrew> ChinnoDog: Come to PRG in Oaks next time we climb (or anytime, just let me know and I'll be there)
[12:21] <MutantTurkey> first day of classes :o
[12:38] <SamuraiAlba> Mornin!
[12:38] <SamuraiAlba> What major?
[12:40] <MutantTurkey> digital production
[12:42] <SamuraiAlba> Ahhh... Save your ducats
[12:43] <SamuraiAlba> get a Wacom Cintiq 21UX
[12:43] <SamuraiAlba> :)
[12:43] <andrew> ducats?
[12:43] <SamuraiAlba> You can go to... autodesk and check their student software.  I think every package is a free download and 3 year license for .edu email addy students
[12:44] <SamuraiAlba> http://students.autodesk.com/?nd=download_center
[12:44] <PennBot> Title: Download Center (at students.autodesk.com)
[12:45] <SamuraiAlba> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/academic/dd759402
[12:45] <PennBot> Title: Student Resources (at msdn.microsoft.com)
[12:45] <SamuraiAlba> http://lifehacker.com/5727786/software-discounts-you-can-get-with-an-edu-email-address
[12:45] <PennBot> Title: Software Discounts You Can Get With An .EDU Email Address (at lifehacker.com)
[12:45] <SamuraiAlba> I did my... um... research
[12:46] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:48] <SamuraiAlba> Mornin!
[14:19] <SamuraiAlba> Should I play some runescape, today?
[14:41] <ChinnoDog> andrew: I decided that I wasn't into Alarm Clock Plus and installed Alarm Click Xtreme. It doesn't have a nice display for showing the time at night but I can still use the included clock app for that.
[14:41] <JonathanD> I use alarm clock ultra extreme super deluxe.
[14:42] <JonathanD> It shoots me in the head when it's time to wake up.
[14:45] <andrew> JonathanD: Does this alarm's name start with a 'J'?
[14:45] <JonathanD> no.
[14:45] <JonathanD> they sleep later than I do.
[14:45] <JonathanD> I don't use an alarm clock.  History?
[14:52] <JonathanD> I have a bad hip :P
[14:52] <andrew> Ah
[14:53] <JonathanD> I probably wouldn't. I have arthritis, and I've never actually determined why it came on so early, so I'm always slightly wary.
[14:53] <JonathanD> I should see a doctor about it some day.
[14:54] <andrew> I saw some guy climbing the other week who had to be in his 70s
[14:54] <JonathanD> andrew: I'm not opposed ot it :P
[14:54] <JonathanD> I've climbed at geeknics before, you know.
[14:55] <andrew> that rock doesn't count
[14:55] <JonathanD> are we still doing that AT thing?
[14:56] <andrew> Are able people interested?
[14:56] <JonathanD> I'll ask long island
[14:58] <JonathanD> andrew: do you have a start and stop point chosen?
[14:59] <andrew> No idea yet, hadn't thought much until about 4 minutes ago
[14:59] <JonathanD> Some interest from LI
[14:59] <JonathanD> I do believe the AT touched on our park last year.
[15:04] <JonathanD> andrew: did you find last year to offer better hiking options than jenny?
[15:32] <andrew> JonathanD: Yes, we did a mile or two of it last year
[18:08] <mikedep333> who was it here that needed my spare 12V 1A adapter for their netgear?
[18:08] <mikedep333> I'm in King of Prussia now
[18:09] <JonathanD> It wasn't me, although I need(ed) one too.
[18:10] <mikedep333> oh, it was Andrew
[18:10] <mikedep333> * andrew
[18:10] <mikedep333> well, if he can't pick it up, you can have it
[18:11] <mikedep333> it's a linksys ac adapter, but it should work fine
[18:11] <mikedep333> in a netgear
[18:11] <JonathanD> I found 3 yesterday.
[18:11] <JonathanD> :)
[18:11] <mikedep333> lol
[18:11] <mikedep333> where at?
[18:11] <JonathanD> on the other hand, if he can't pick it up, I could eventually give it to him on your behalf.
[18:11] <mikedep333> JonathanD, great
[18:12] <JonathanD> my place is in bridgeport, not far from KOP.
[18:12] <mikedep333> I haven't been going to any PLUG meetings because I've been so busy with moving and whatnot
[18:12] <mikedep333> so there was a dell laptop in my basement
[18:12] <mikedep333> I thought it was my brother's old 14"  latitude C600 series or something
[18:12] <mikedep333> which was largely functional
[18:12] <JonathanD> I found a collection of power cables at work. They were supposed to be tossed.
[18:12] <mikedep333> I went to look at it
[18:12] <JonathanD> C600s are good ol stuff.
[18:13] <JonathanD> I have parts from one I just dismantled if you need anything.
[18:13] <mikedep333> JonathanD, working CD/DVD drive?
[18:13] <JonathanD> Yes.
[18:13] <JonathanD> the pop-out one that goes in the front, aye?
[18:13] <mikedep333> it has a CD-RW/DVD combo, but it gets read errors every 50MB or so
[18:13] <mikedep333> I think so
[18:13] <JonathanD> I do have one.
[18:13] <mikedep333> I think his is one of the later C600 series
[18:13] <mikedep333> it has a pentium 4-m 1.6 ghz
[18:13] <JonathanD> The latch that holds it into the case might be a little flakey.
[18:13] <JonathanD> yeah, this is older.
[18:14] <JonathanD> PIII 700mhz, I think.
[18:14] <mikedep333> guess how I managed to install ubuntu (some old version like 7.04 or whatever) on this computer using the CD/DVD drive?
[18:14] <JonathanD> I took ram and other stuff from it to make an inspiron 8000 work.
[18:14] <mikedep333> yeah
[18:14] <JonathanD> eject it frequently?
[18:14] <mikedep333> I used the mini cd!
[18:15] <mikedep333> I love it
[18:15] <JonathanD> oh! hah
[18:15] <mikedep333> right now it is only 20MB
[18:15] <mikedep333> back then it was only 10MB or so
[18:15] <JonathanD> awesome.
[18:15] <mikedep333> I love network installs
[18:15] <JonathanD> I had some video issues with the 8000
[18:15] <mikedep333> no old packages you have to immediately upgrade after you install the OS itself
[18:15] <mikedep333> but anyway
[18:15] <JonathanD> I've not yet completely resolved them.
[18:15] <mikedep333> I thought this was my brother's latitude
[18:15] <mikedep333> it was actually an inspiron 2300
[18:15] <JonathanD> ONce I do I'm giving it to my son.
[18:16] <JonathanD> good ol dells.
[18:16] <mikedep333> a 15" budget model with 128MB of RAM & a pentium 3 (mobile?) 1.13 ghz
[18:16] <mikedep333> and xp home
[18:16] <JonathanD> oh dear :P
[18:16] <mikedep333> I had an old featherlinux cd in it
[18:16] <mikedep333> I think it was one of the people from my neighborhood who brought their computer to me to repair it
[18:16] <mikedep333> without explaining too well what was the problem
[18:16] <JonathanD> I found a fairly old debian disk in the C600
[18:17] <mikedep333> and I had misdiagnosed it or something. I think featherlinux failed to boot, so I thought the hardware was defective.
[18:17] <mikedep333> but it did boot into xp home, and took like an hour to stop swapping upon startup
[18:17] <mikedep333> because it had 128MB of RAM
[18:17] <JonathanD> yeah. Pitiful :P
[18:17] <JonathanD> I put 512MB and Ubuntu 10.04 in this one.
[18:17] <mikedep333> at least it has ethernet
[18:17] <mikedep333> and I think it has wi-fi
[18:17] <JonathanD> mine doesn't :(
[18:18] <JonathanD> The mini-pci is missing.
[18:18] <mikedep333> yeah
[18:18] <mikedep333> oh
[18:18] <JonathanD> the ports exist, but they lead to no where.
[18:18] <mikedep333> I have an old mini-pci wi-fi card
[18:18] <JonathanD> and no wifi. I put a PCMCIA in
[18:18] <mikedep333> JonathanD, wait, you mean there are no antennas going to the mini-pci?
[18:18] <JonathanD> mikedep333: no, it didn't have built in wifi in the first place
[18:18] <mikedep333> JonathanD, ok
[18:18] <JonathanD> the built in ethernet/modem were attached to a mini-pci
[18:19] <mikedep333> gotcha
[18:19] <JonathanD> the leads from the ethernet/modem ports are in the mini-pci bay
[18:19] <mikedep333> I will set it up as a guest computer at my dad's house
[18:19] <JonathanD> but no card
[18:19] <mikedep333> I think I have 2 128MB sticks of pc100
[18:19] <mikedep333> although it may have pc133 in it now
[18:19] <JonathanD> I have a pile of something here.
[18:19] <mikedep333> I have another stick without its specs on it that may be better
[18:19] <JonathanD> probably 64s though
[18:19] <mikedep333> yeah
[18:20] <mikedep333> I'll look up the #s on the labels, or on the chips
[18:20] <JonathanD> yup, these are 64s
[18:20] <JonathanD> I had 2 256s that went into the inspiron, best i had on hand.
[18:20] <mikedep333> hopefully this laptop has 2 dimm slots
[18:20] <mikedep333> let me google inspiron 2300
[18:21] <mikedep333> hmm
[18:21] <mikedep333> I think I remember the model # wrong
[18:21] <mikedep333> ahh, yes
[18:21] <mikedep333> 2600
[18:21] <JonathanD> an atari!
[18:21] <mikedep333> lol
[18:22] <mikedep333> dell made atari!
[18:22] <mikedep333> I had an atari I used to play
[18:22] <mikedep333> it belonged to my uncle I think
[18:22] <mikedep333> I was using it at the same time I played my NES
[18:22] <mikedep333> I think it was a 2600
[18:22] <JonathanD> Theres one at impact thrift.
[18:22] <JonathanD> If you want it :p
[18:23] <JonathanD> and an NES too, actually.
[18:23] <mikedep333> yeah, it uses pc 133
[18:23] <mikedep333> never been to impact thrift
[18:23] <JonathanD> I was there looking for power cords.
[18:23] <JonathanD> :)
[18:23] <mikedep333> never been to impact thrift?
[18:24] <mikedep333> JonathanD, standard PC power cords?
[18:24] <mikedep333> the 3 prongs
[18:24] <mikedep333> I don't know their technical name
[18:24] <mikedep333> I have a lot of them
[18:24] <JonathanD> mikedep333: no. the 12V router kind
[18:24] <mikedep333> right
[18:24] <mikedep333> I always call them AC adapters
[18:24] <JonathanD> I have hundreds of standard PC cords.
[18:24] <mikedep333> or power warts
[18:24] <mikedep333> lol
[18:24] <mikedep333> because the cable portion of one of those is like $.15
[18:25] <mikedep333> but the actual ac adapter/wart portion is like $3
[18:25] <JonathanD> it's a C13, btw.
[18:25] <JonathanD> teh PC cord.
[18:25] <mikedep333> cool
[18:25] <mikedep333> I met one old PC
[18:25] <JonathanD> or very, very rarely a C14, on some oddball servers.
[18:25] <mikedep333> it had like an inverted C13 on one end
[18:25] <JonathanD> oh yes.
[18:25] <JonathanD> for the monitor
[18:25] <mikedep333> the power supply on the desktop passed power onto the monitor
[18:25] <mikedep333> lol, yeah!
[18:25] <JonathanD> That used to be quite common.
[18:25] <mikedep333> reminds me of that one ancient computer
[18:26] <mikedep333> that had the PSU in the printer
[18:26] <mikedep333> so if the printer broke or got lost, you couldn't use the computer!
[18:26] <JonathanD> clearly they should have made everything powered by teh keyboard, instead.
[18:27] <mikedep333> lol
[18:27] <mikedep333> what's it called
[18:27] <mikedep333> amiga!
[18:27] <mikedep333> oh, wait
[18:27] <mikedep333> not amiga
[18:29] <mikedep333> sigh, I hate seeing everything conform to the x86 PC standard
[18:29] <mikedep333> that's why I love ARM computing
[18:30] <JonathanD> I should get some work done.
[18:31] <mikedep333> I just opened the inspiron 2600
[18:31] <mikedep333> I think the 2nd DIMm is under the keyboard
[18:31] <mikedep333> :(
[18:31] <mikedep333> ttyl
[19:43] <erstazi> bts3685|1ps: hey
[20:20] <JonathanD> can anyone use all these 1GB DDR2 laptop modules that seem to be around here?
[20:21] <JonathanD> I found 4 so far today.
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> o/
[20:50] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: "found"? Are they growing on trees?
[20:50] <JonathanD> yes.
[20:50] <ChinnoDog> sweet
[20:50] <ChinnoDog> I need a RAM tree as well.
[20:50] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: they're in the bins here.
[20:51] <JonathanD> The bins I'm supposed to be emptying of stuff we don't need.
[20:51] <JonathanD> Like 12VDC power supplies and PC power cords.
[20:51] <JonathanD> and 1GB DDR2s
[20:51] <ChinnoDog> I could use a couple if they are available. My dad is still running Vista on 1GB. It is sad.
[20:52] <JonathanD> this is laptop ram, if you missed that.
[20:52] <JonathanD> if thats ok I have em.
[20:52] <ChinnoDog> Yes, he is running Vista with 1gb on a laptop. Even worse.
[20:52] <JonathanD> how many slots?
[20:53] <ChinnoDog> Two. I donated 512mb to him. The laptop came with 512.
[20:54] <JonathanD> Alright
[20:54] <JonathanD> I'll hold on to 2 for ya
[20:54] <ChinnoDog> yay
[20:54] <JonathanD> I just found a 5th one
[20:54] <JonathanD> and a 512
[20:54] <ChinnoDog> Ubuntu Hour RAM swap?
[20:54] <ChinnoDog> I have some old PC100. haha
[20:55] <JonathanD> what a deal :p
[20:55] <JonathanD> ooh, a microdrive
[20:55] <JonathanD> wonder if it works :/
[20:56] <JonathanD> anyone got a CF adater? :)
[20:56] <jedijf> couple
[20:57] <jedijf> cf to ide
[20:57] <JonathanD> I used to have a CF to PCMCIA
[20:57] <JonathanD> iirc I used this microdrive in my jornada
[20:57] <JonathanD> back in the day.
[20:57] <JonathanD> not much use to it these days, with multiGB SD cards out there.
[20:57] <jedijf> that too
[21:03] <MutantTurkey> I a ton of old ram
[21:04] <JonathanD> Oh no!
[21:04] <JonathanD> accidentally?
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: WOOHOOO. my phone randomly started working with usb :
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> (:
[21:29] <MutantTurkey> wait jk :/
[21:29] <MutantTurkey> wait...
[21:29] <MutantTurkey> yes! :D
[21:30] <JonathanD> wiat
[21:31] <MutantTurkey> sigh nevermind
[21:32] <andrew> ?
[21:35] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: wait
[21:36] <jedijf> i am starting to susect that phone is not the problem
[21:36] <jedijf> suspect
[21:38] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: are you sure?
[21:38] <MutantTurkey> i feel like it is.
[21:38] <MutantTurkey> because the usb port is now only working sometimes
[21:40] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: now that you are on your more regular schedule, we have to try at franconis sometime
[21:41] <jedijf> when my schedule gets more regular
[21:41] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: yeah my new schedule is indeed fabulous
[21:44] <MutantTurkey> so whenever your free shoot me a message
[21:44] <jedijf> yeah, just would like to test on known to work system
[21:45] <jedijf> to rule out phone being bad
[21:46] <JonathanD> bad to the phone
[21:46] <jedijf> da da da da *da*
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> right
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> would AT&T replace my phone for free since i just got it recently?
[21:48] <jedijf> can't see why not, did you get it locally
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> i think right at the AT&T store by willow grove mall
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> near the olive garden
[21:48] <jedijf> next to olive garden
[21:48] <jedijf> k
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> you got it
[21:48] <jedijf> yeah, they were sold out when i got there, had to go to inside mall store and wait
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> I'd go down myself, somehow i think they'd just jerk me around and give me crappy answer cause i am not an adult
[21:49] <jedijf> that just sucks
[21:49] <jedijf> they shouldn't
[21:49] <MutantTurkey> don't you think they would?
[21:50] <jedijf> when i was younger....that would infuriate me....depends on how you carry/present yourself
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> I look like a hipster i guess, I carry myself by foot. that about sums it up.
[21:51] <jedijf> nothing ventured...nothing gained...just go in knowing that you can resolve the situation...much of it is confidence and acting like an adult
[21:52] <MutantTurkey> indeed
[21:52] <MutantTurkey> Also about the account is a giant family plan, so I'm not sure, also do i need ID or something to prove i own the phone?
[21:53] <jedijf> you may have to be the 'authorized' person,or added to the list of 'authorized' people
[21:53] <MutantTurkey> yeah i was thinking about that.
[21:53] <jedijf> last 4 social of account holder is usually required ...maybe dob
[21:54] <MutantTurkey> I'll just bring one of my parents along
[21:55] <jedijf> or that
[21:55] <jedijf> :)
[21:58] <ChinnoDog> Newegg Mobile in Android market? That is a dangerous app for me to have on my phone.
[22:00] <JonathanD> I'm very good at not buying things.
[22:00] <andrew> haha
[22:04] <JonathanD> I end up debating buying most products for so long, by the time I make my decision the product is discontinued.
[22:30] <ChinnoDog> That is a comittment problem. haha.
[22:31]  * ChinnoDog hopes his 32gb microsd from newegg arrives soon
[22:31] <JonathanD> I just tried to place my order for an Apple II.
[22:31] <JonathanD> The phone number from the catalog didn't even work anymore!
[22:40] <andrew> JonathanD: Remember, I have an Apple II sitting by my desk at work, it will soon be tossed.
[22:56] <ChinnoDog> poor apple II
[22:57] <ChinnoDog> I used to use Logo Writer on that.
[22:57] <ChinnoDog> I have a PC version somewhere. Unfortunately it is on a 5.25" floppy.


[23:16] <phillw> hi guys, any one about to point out my idiot coding that does not show {{{ }}} tabs as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto being showed without the grey highlighting and box as I have on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Section3#Classroom_Session_3
[23:18] <phillw> Please.... do not tell it me a CSS bug!!!!
[23:28] <cjohnston> i think its very possibly a bug
[23:54] <phillw> cjohnston: I thought this CSS issue was resolved something like a year ago :(


[02:10] <GridCube> knome, i think i could make a guide to alternate installation, like in plain html or something, if i do so, would you like it to go to the xubuntu site?
[02:10] <GridCube> or i should do it in the ubuntu wiki?
[02:16] <Unit193> micahg: The server hosting them (the bots) went down, it should be back in time.
[02:17] <micahg> Unit193: thanks
[02:40] <Unit193> micahg: Did you really need it tonight?
[02:41] <micahg> no, just thought itance was a one-off occur
[04:19] <astraljava> Was arandr installed by default in Xubuntu? I don't have a session running anywhere right now.
[04:21] <Unit193> I don't have it, and I don't remember purging it.
[04:22] <micahg> nope
[04:22] <astraljava> Ok, thanks!
[04:24] <micahg> astraljava: studio installs it by default :)
[04:26] <astraljava> micahg: I noticed, that's why I asked cause I wasn't sure whether it came from here or some other outer space. :)
[04:26] <micahg> astraljava: apt-cache show arandr | grep Task
[04:26] <astraljava> micahg: Oh right, I forgot there was that info right there. Thanks for the reminder!
[10:05] <knome> astraljava, you going to FT tonight?
[10:06] <astraljava> knome: Nope, didn't have to come to Helsinki earlier, so I'm arriving on Sunday afternoon.
[10:06] <knome> ok :)
[10:06] <astraljava> Might get the apartment, though. Will hopefully hear the confirmation this week, still.
[10:06]  * knome was unsure of attending too
[10:06] <knome> mm-hmm
[10:06] <knome> good luck! :)
[10:06] <astraljava> Let's go in May, then. :)
[10:07] <astraljava> Thanks.
[10:07] <knome> sure! :)
[10:17] <knome> maybe we can get edii to join us, too
[11:23] <ochosi> knome: with "us" you mean xubuntu or just you guys who like to hang out in .fi?
[11:25] <knome> ochosi, me and astraljava to join an event in helsinki in may :)
[11:25] <knome> well, tbe, every month :P
[11:28] <ochosi> right
[11:29] <knome> http://free-thursday.pieni.net/
[13:16] <madnick> If it'd had been tomorrow I could be there :P
[13:19] <knome> :)
[13:20] <knome> next month then? ;)
[13:20] <madnick> I wish I had that much money to spend on trips :P
[13:21] <knome> ;)
[13:21] <knome> viking line is much cheaper ! :P
[13:22] <madnick> maybe, but my friend wont be around to pay then :P
[13:22] <knome> :P
[13:23]  * knome is having some barbãr
[13:23] <knome> damn this is good beer
[13:24] <madnick> 8% beer
[13:24] <madnick> Thats quite a lot
[13:24] <knome> yup, that
[13:24] <knome> but it's sweetened with honey.. mmm...
[13:24] <madnick> :>
[13:43] <knome> 16:42  pitti: tgardner: sabdfl approved 750 MB USB media next cycle
[13:43] <knome> that might be one of the things making us oversize
[13:43] <knome> or, at least, will be in the 12.10 cycle
[16:05] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: hey, how's it going?
[16:05] <leo-unglaub> bad, bad and bad again ...
[16:05] <knome> ? :P
[16:05] <ochosi> what's up? too much work?
[16:05] <leo-unglaub> sadly yes
[16:05] <ochosi> meh
[16:06] <knome> leo-unglaub, i heard you had problems with keyboard shortcuts. did you get to fix that?
[16:06] <leo-unglaub> knome: yes is did via restoring the defaults...
[16:06] <knome> leo-unglaub, ok
[16:07] <leo-unglaub> but sadly i did that bvefore i figured out what the real error was...
[16:07] <ochosi> i think mr_pouit said that it's a problem when upgrading
[16:07] <ochosi> and not really avoidable for now
[16:07] <knome> ochosi, he said there's a problem with shortcuts with ctrl, but that's it
[16:08] <ochosi> yes, but that was upgrade-specific
[16:08] <leo-unglaub> yes
[16:08] <knome> yes, but i thought you were referring to "when upgrading"
[16:09] <leo-unglaub> only after an upgrade
[16:09] <ochosi> knome: i mostly mentioned that because i remembered that leo-unglaub upgraded ;)
[16:10] <knome> ;)
[16:10] <knome> well yeah, i also had that after upgrade
[16:11] <leo-unglaub> knome: according to someone here it also happens for arch users
[16:12] <knome> the ctrl-keys issue, or the all keys issue?
[16:12] <leo-unglaub> the ctrl issue
[16:12] <leo-unglaub> but there where some other strange issues after upgrading
[16:13] <leo-unglaub> but i am soo fucked up in work here so i had no time reporting them all..
[16:13] <leo-unglaub> *shame on me*
[16:30] <ochosi> knome: did you ever ask sean davis to join the testing team?
[16:30] <GridCube> when is the next (and i presume last) meeting before the final release?
[16:38] <knome> ochosi, no
[16:38] <knome> GridCube, no idea. is there something you'd like to go through?
[16:39] <knome> GridCube, btw, writing the article on installing alternate sounds good. feel free to start a draft in xubuntu.org :)
[16:40] <GridCube> :D ok
[16:40] <GridCube> knome: well, mostly to keep up to date info about how things are goind
[16:41] <GridCube> stuff we can link people too so they can blog or whatever about whats gonna happen in this release
[16:41] <knome> there's nothing new since a long time, since we've past all freezes
[16:42] <GridCube> also there was a rumor about  PAE kernels being droped for 12.10 in mainbuntu
[16:42] <ochosi> i never really understood the whole PAE kernel story
[16:42] <ochosi> could anybody enlighten me?
[16:42] <knome> GridCube, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html tells a lot
[16:42] <micahg> GridCube: yes, that most likely will happen
[16:42] <knome> ochosi, not all computers support PAE
[16:42] <micahg> anyone with PAE should stay on 12.04 until 2017
[16:43] <micahg> oops
[16:43] <micahg> I mean without on i386 :)
[16:43] <GridCube> ochosi: PAE kernels allows non amd 64 installs to use more than i386  ram limit, that is about 3.8gb
[16:43] <knome> yes, but otoh, if you don't have PAE-supporting kernel, you're not able to boot at all
[16:44] <GridCube> most microprocesors today are PAE enabled, like most of them are amd64 already, but installing a PAE kernel allows you to install an i386 install and it will still use the whole amounts of ram your heart happens to desire
[16:45] <GridCube> forced PAE means that old microprocesors, like previous to PIV, wont probably work
[16:47] <GridCube> micahg: if that happens then xubuntu wont target aging computers anymore?
[16:47] <knome> GridCube, xubuntu will use non-pae on i386 on precise
[16:47] <micahg> GridCube: it can still target aging computers :)
[16:47] <GridCube> knome: im talking about 12.10
[16:48] <knome> GridCube, unknown...
[16:48] <knome> GridCube, as long as non-pae is in main, we probably use it
[16:48] <GridCube> but... micahg is saying that that wont probably be the case...
[16:49] <knome> we have to rethink that in Q cycle
[16:49] <knome> we don't have the workforce to maintain the non-pae kernel ourself
[16:49] <GridCube> welp
[16:49] <GridCube> that was something i wanted to talk on a meeting :P
[16:50] <ochosi> well, lucky we're all here :)
[16:50] <GridCube> im worried about our market target
[16:50] <GridCube> XD
[16:50] <ochosi> tbh that is one thing about meetings: people often aren't there and it feels more hasty
[16:50] <micahg> there are still 10+ year old computers with PAE support
[16:50] <GridCube> but i guess thats a huge problem to lubuntu as well
[16:50] <knome> it's probably more of a problem to lubuntu
[16:50] <ochosi> the thing is: (and this has been a problem for a while) what is the target group of xubuntu?
[16:51] <GridCube> exactly
[16:51] <ochosi> it's not extremely lightweight anymore, and imo it shouldn't necessarily be
[16:51] <ochosi> maybe we should redefine that for Q
[16:51] <GridCube> i think that too
[16:51] <ochosi> or at least make it even more explicit
[16:51] <GridCube> with all the unity people running around
[16:51] <GridCube> xubuntu should target traditional desktop users and no more
[16:51] <ochosi> the whole idea of different app-sets on install-time was to give people with less resources one more option
[16:52] <ochosi> yeah, i agree
[16:52] <ochosi> it should be the one xfce distro where everything looks nice and works smoothly
[16:52] <ochosi> as in: not do what fedora does and ship stuff as vanilla as possible
[16:53] <GridCube> i think that people wanting an usable desktop, for example for an office, they should know that xubuntu IS the option :D
[16:53] <martinphone> no, they will turn to windows
[16:53] <martinphone> as most of them do
[16:54] <GridCube> but w8 looks like unity aswell
[16:54] <ochosi> oh well, let's not dive into this too much... i think it's important to know who we want to target, whether people accept the offer or not is up to them
[16:55] <GridCube> yes
[16:55] <ochosi> one thing we could investigate for Q is a backup tool
[16:55] <ochosi> many desktop-users need that
[16:55] <ochosi> (knome, i hope you're taking notes ;) )
[16:55] <ochosi> something like deja-dup
[16:56] <GridCube> ive used it, and it did the work
[16:56] <knome> ochosi, not
[16:56] <knome> ochosi, but there will be logs
[16:56] <ochosi> i like it because it's both for offline and online backups
[16:56] <GridCube> also a webcam program
[16:56] <GridCube> like cheese
[16:57] <ochosi> knome: what about scheduling two meetings: one before the release ("last doubts") one after the release ("party and looking ahead")?
[16:57] <ochosi> GridCube: yeah maybe, i think it'd be good to rethink our appset in general
[16:57] <knome> ochosi, worksforme
[16:58] <ochosi> knome: at least by labelling the meetings like that it's no tragedy if noone shows up for the last meeting, because there might not be last doubts
[16:58] <GridCube> all n[et|ote]books come with cameras, why dont ship anything for them
[16:59] <ochosi> GridCube: if you have energy for that now you could start a wikipage with gathering thoughts for Q and put that there
[17:01] <GridCube> ochosi: yes, i think i can do that
[17:01] <ochosi> nice
[17:03] <ochosi> hmm, i need someone with unity installed
[17:05] <GridCube> ochosi: i can get you one :P
[17:05] <ochosi> GridCube: that'd be great. i'm considering unity-support for our themes
[17:08] <GridCube> welp, no one answers
[17:08] <ochosi> no problem, ping me whenever someone shows up
[17:09] <ochosi> i can meanwhile push the theme changes to a branch so that people can start testing it
[17:12] <GridCube> ochosi: bazhang uses unity
[17:13] <ochosi> hey bazhang
[17:13] <carnau> ochosi
[17:13] <leo-unglaub> so, i am on my way home
[17:13] <ochosi> would you mind testing a gtk-theme for me?
[17:13] <bazhang> hi ochosi
[17:13] <leo-unglaub> i worked 2 days without sleep
[17:13] <leo-unglaub> now i am going to bed
[17:13] <GridCube> ochosi: carnau also uses Unity
[17:13] <GridCube> :D
[17:13] <bazhang> can it wait for a few? I'm heading off to bed soon
[17:14] <carnau> yes, I'm on 12.04
[17:14] <ochosi> bazhang: sure, no hurry, ping me whenever
[17:14] <bazhang> ok cool
[17:14] <knome> time to cook food
[17:14] <GridCube> it would be really weird to cook not food, but ok
[17:14] <leo-unglaub> are there no pizza delivery companys in cour country?
[17:15] <ochosi> carnau: do you feel like testing the theme with unity?
[17:16] <carnau> yes, sure
[17:16] <ochosi> if not, no problem, i'll just push it and hopefully someone gets around to testing it at some point :)
[17:17] <carnau> ochosi, provide link
[17:17] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: another upgrade-problem i know think of is that after the dist-upgrade the default font was not ubuntu anymore
[17:17] <leo-unglaub> it was samething hard readable
[17:18] <ochosi> carnau: sure, just one sec, i need to decide whether to do the window-buttons as well. but i guess for now i'll just do the panel
[17:18] <carnau> ok, take your time :)
[17:18] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: the default font never was ubuntu, it's droid sans
[17:18] <leo-unglaub> ah, okay. that expßlains why it was changed
[17:22] <ochosi> carnau: grab it here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/unity
[17:23] <ochosi> carnau: do you need help with installing the theme?
[17:23] <ochosi> (btw, the important thing would be the unity-panel)
[17:23] <carnau> ochosi, don't think so
[17:24] <ochosi> ok
[17:24] <ochosi> a screenshot of your test would be nice, so that i know what needs tweaking (e.g. gtk3 indicators)
[17:29] <carnau> ochosi, ok, give me 5 min
[17:29] <carnau> or less :)
[17:30] <ochosi> sure :)
[17:38] <raevol> are any changes being made to how desktop notifications work in 12.04?
[17:41] <carnau> ochosi, http://i40.tinypic.com/25a4yg3.png
[17:43] <ochosi> carnau: are you sure you set Greybird as your theme? that looks like adwaita...
[17:43] <ochosi> raevol: nope
[17:44] <carnau> ochosi, ouch :_(
[17:44] <ochosi> np
[17:46] <carnau> ochosi, it goes in the ~/.themes folder?
[17:47] <carnau> i think so, but it not appears in the menu
[17:47] <ochosi> yes, it goes into the .themes folder
[17:48] <ochosi> strange, i saw bluebird used on webupd8 with unity, so i thought that would work...
[17:50] <carnau> it doesn't :_(
[17:52] <ochosi> hm, sorry, since i never used unity i have no clue how to help here...
[17:52] <ochosi> but since there's a gtk3 version of greybird it should work
[18:03] <carnau> ochosi, i'm trying it
[18:09] <carnau> ochosi, not shows in the menu after reloading user, and placing it in /usr/share/themes
[18:23] <ochosi> carnau: strange strange, i'll try to investigate tomorrow and ping you as soon as i have something
[18:26] <carnau> ok!
[18:40] <carnau> ochosi, I can see it with metacity-theme-viewer
[18:41] <carnau> looks like it's not defined where it has to be. Well, we'll see tomorrow :)
[18:41] <carnau> bye!
[18:52] <carnau> ochosi, ping