[13:26] <DarkTrick> Does someone know where the source for yelp (help system) is?
[13:26] <DarkTrick> I'm trying to get information on it's command line parameters, that are documented nowhere (I looked)
[13:50] <TJ-> DarkTrick: that is ironic!
[13:51] <TJ-> DarkTrick: try starting here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp
[13:52] <DarkTrick> TJ-, ah right! didn't think of that option! Thank you! :)
[13:52] <TJ-> DarkTrick: any help from this? https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/tree/README
[13:52] <TJ-> DarkTrick: I think that README is also installed at /usr/share/doc/yelp/README
[13:54] <DarkTrick> TJ-, nice! `https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/yelp/` !


[12:44] <zzarr> hello!
[12:45] <zzarr> will the scopes be redesigned in unity8 for desktop?
[12:45] <zzarr> (so it's more like unity7)
[12:45] <zzarr> not a window
[12:45] <davidcalle> zzarr: yes! There will be a session on exactly this, at the Ubuntu Online Summit next week
[12:46] <davidcalle> zzarr: well, not "like unity7" it's something different
[12:46] <zzarr> davidcalle, well it was the easiest way to describe it
[12:47] <zzarr> unity8 looks and feels nice (on both computer and phone)
[12:48] <davidcalle> zzarr: agreed, but (especially on the desktop) the scope story needs to evolve to be on par with the rest of the UI
[23:20] <mariogrip> arrr, code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com is down....
[23:21] <mariogrip> (oops wrong server)


[00:01] <Hobbsee> erk.  so you've really gone to mac!
[00:02]  * jdong whistles innocently on that note too...
[00:02] <manchicken> Yeah.  It's not terrible.  I never thought I would though.
[00:02] <manchicken> But it's nice to now only be a part-time geek.
[00:03] <jdong> I know, I thought I'd hate not having to kill/restart pulse, watch flickering movies, have fast user switching bring up green-and-red blinking blocks all over the screen...
[00:03] <jdong> now I lost my train of thought *ducks*
[00:03] <manchicken> It's not all bad though jdong.
[00:04] <jdong> no no, there's things I love deeply about both OSes
[00:04] <jdong> and I end up booting between them several times a day :)
[00:04] <manchicken> KDE4 really raised the bar on sexy simplicity and functionality on the desktop.
[00:05] <manchicken> Also, OSX is still running on a core of Free Software.  It's a really neat way to do Unix.
[00:05] <jdong> not to mention you can get most of the FOSS you want on OS X.
[00:05] <manchicken> Oh yeah.
[00:05] <jdong> it's a pretty normal gcc-toolchain UNIX machine
[00:06] <manchicken> I just wish that Darwin were actually usable outside of OSX.
[00:06] <jdong> puredarwin is working on that again.
[00:06] <jdong> I wanted to give it a shot over thanksgiving.
[00:06] <manchicken> Yeah, but they've got an awful lot of catch-up.
[00:06] <manchicken> Especially on the #1 impediment to Free Software: hardware interfaces.
[00:06] <jdong> absolutely
[00:07] <jdong> Apple never really released a full bootable stack for 10.5
[00:07] <manchicken> Have any of you actually put up a visual keyboard and watched it while you're typing?
[00:07] <manchicken> It's kinda crazy.
[00:07] <manchicken> heh
[00:10] <manchicken> Ack, I've gotta go, time to play with my kid.  I'll be back in a few hours.  Later for now.
[00:12] <james_w> ok, so I've worked out that this is the kde3 khtml, not the kde4 one
[00:12] <james_w> I can't find any cmake files in the kdelibs4-dev package, do they live elsewhere, or was kde3 not cmake?
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> kde3 was autotools all the way
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> cmake was a blessing of kde4
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat about for cmake
[00:13] <kubotu> for cmake that is too late for Intrepid, especially since the rest of 4.2, but my history doesn't go back and check the bzr import if you can remove that pesky windowpreview class and get their bloody nose now
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat about thank the
[00:14] <kubotu> thank the almighty mark shuttleworth for cmake
[00:14] <james_w> heh
[00:14] <james_w> so what generates configure.in out of configure.in.in?
[00:28] <james_w> it's ok, I think I've tracked it down
[02:24] <ryanakca> seele: thanks
[02:25] <seele> np
[03:29] <yuriy> !info digikam-kde4
[03:31] <yuriy> what happened to that?
[03:34] <jussi01> yuriy: is it not still in the members repo?
[03:35] <jussi01> !info digikam-kde4 kubuntu-members-kde4
[03:35] <jussi01> maybe not...
[03:52] <JontheEchidna> So what do you do
[03:52] <JontheEchidna> if when you update a package suddenly there aren't any files in a specific package?
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> like if there was a -dev package with like 3 C header files, and then all of that moved to libplasma where it belonged
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> Would you just leave it be? Maybe make it a binary transitional package to the main package? Remove the binary package completely and set a conflict/replace on it?
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: the betas started depending on kde 4.2 so we removed it from the archives as to not have an old beta in intrepid final
[04:35] <mcasadevall> JontheEchidna, hola
[04:36] <JontheEchidna> JontheEchidna: hi
[05:04] <jussi01> look out, JontheEchidna is talking tohimself again...
[05:05]  * JontheEchidna grabs an alcoholic beverage
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> kubotu chat about an alcoholic beverage
[05:05] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help chat'
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> kubotu chat about alcoholic beverage
[05:05] <kubotu> I can't :(
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> kubotu chat
[05:06] <kubotu> I used to have more than just complain on a live CD BEFORE you stumbled upon the debian package gets kicked/replaced
[05:10] <manchicken> That statement makes little sense...
[05:10] <manchicken> And I don't think I'm too drunk to read yet.
[05:10] <JontheEchidna> It's a markov-chain type AI
[05:10] <manchicken> Though I'm working on solving that problem.
[05:11] <manchicken> Ah.  That sounds like it's something that I AM too drunk to understand at the moment.
[05:11] <JontheEchidna> it records everything in the chat, and then chats about it when you tell it to
[05:11] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat
[05:11] <kubotu> oh dear
[05:11] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat
[05:11] <kubotu> I need to do Unix.
[05:11] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat
[05:11] <kubotu> sorry Kookies
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> Humor may vary(tm)
[05:12] <manchicken> Hah
[05:12] <manchicken> Using Unix as a euphemism for excreting waste.... classic.
[05:35] <NCommander> o_o;
[05:37] <manchicken> Trop graphique?
[05:49] <Ashex> what's the planned date for 4.2 in intrepid?
[05:50] <manchicken> I believe there's already a group with packages on LP for that.
[05:50] <manchicken> !KDE4.2
[05:50] <manchicken> !4.2
[05:54] <Ashex> ah, okay
[05:54] <Ashex> was just curious
[05:55] <stdin> !neon
[06:01] <Ashex> Eh, I try to avoid using nightlies on my desktop, too great a potential for issues
[06:53] <DreadKnight> i never get any new stuff from neon, not sure why
[06:54] <DreadKnight> i am confused
[08:34] <Trouble> Ashex, I've got a link somewhere
[08:35] <Ashex> Trouble, for info on the 4.2 release to supported repos?
[08:35] <Trouble> Yea. Neon's build of KDE 4.2 beta is alright for looking at 4.2, but it's not ready to replace KDE 4.1.x
[08:36] <Trouble> There are no applications on the application menu for a start
[08:36] <Trouble> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3099595.0
[08:36] <Trouble> In short packages for Intrepid will be put in to the kubuntu-experimental PPA
[08:37] <Trouble> I'm waiting eagerly for the beta to appear in the PPA :)
[08:37] <Trouble> The Kubuntu devs are pretty speedy
[08:38] <Trouble> In the past they've released something less than two days are KDE is released
[08:38] <Trouble> Mostly one day
[08:38] <Ashex> excellent
[08:38] <Trouble> Indeed!
[08:38] <Ashex> I'll just wait a few days then
[08:38] <Trouble> KDE 4.1 has been pretty rubbish
[08:39] <Ashex> Yeah, I made some noise on launchpad for awhile
[08:39] <Trouble> Good man :)
[08:39] <Ashex> I read up on things and figured I'd wait for at least 4.2 before I started filing bugs
[08:39] <Trouble> The task bar has been pretty useless for me without multiple row layout
[08:39] <Ashex> er, filing usability bugs and the like
[08:39] <Ashex> That's one of my biggest gripes
[08:40] <Ashex> along with the lack of the "quicklaunch" applet
[08:40] <Trouble> Yea, so many things missing *sigh*
[08:41] <Trouble> Still if the KDE team had to get 4.0 and 4.1 out there with missing functionality to gain support then so be it.
[08:41] <Trouble> Has hopefully resulted in a better product now it's starting to mature a little
[08:41] <Ashex> my only real concern is that there's been a dangerous amount of blurring of the line between dev ready and user ready
[08:42] <Trouble> Oh and Kopete doesn't have MSN support in the Neon builds. I'm hoping this is only the Neon build and not the beta in general
[08:42] <Ashex> I think 4.0 was only really intended for developers so they could move applications to it
[08:42] <Trouble> Ashex, I agree with you there
[08:42] <Trouble> Playing a risky game
[08:43] <Ashex> Kopete has support for msn in stable, so it should be in 4.2.1
[08:44] <Trouble> You don't think MSN support will be in the final 4.2.0 release?
[08:44] <Ashex> er, that's what I meant
[08:44] <Ashex> in my head x.x.1 means beta 1 for some reason
[08:45] <Trouble> Oh cool
[08:45] <Trouble> http://mattr.info:8080/blog/2008/11/15/new-msn-plugin-for-kopete/
[08:45] <Trouble> It will be nice to see Kopete using the latest protocol!
[08:46] <Ashex> excellent
[08:46] <Ashex> I need to move back over to kopete
[08:46] <Ashex> I stopped using it in hardy because of a bug that caused it to crash
[08:46] <Ashex> which reminds me, I need to close that bug
[08:46] <Trouble> If he put it in to trunk on the 15th Nov, then I'd expect to see it in the betas, unless there is a problem :(
[08:47] <Trouble> The trunk was frozen on the 18th Nov
[08:48] <Trouble> or the 17th
[08:48] <Ashex> yeah, it should be in
[08:48] <Trouble> "I have installed them a few hours ago. They work nicely, but you have to bear in mind that Kopete does not have MSN support out of the box because libmsn (on which now it depends for Messenger support) is not packaged yet AFAIK."
[08:48] <Trouble> Poop :(
[08:49] <Trouble> Oh well
[08:49] <Trouble> Just have to be patient ;-)
[08:49] <Ashex> eh, drop it in /usr/local/lib for now I guess
[09:08] <Ashex> oh cool, told the system to shutdown. KDE decided to shtudown and leave everything else running
[10:21] <r0uzic> oh hai
[11:50] <Nightrose> apachelogger: OMG OMG OMG OMG
[11:50] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I have sound in NEON!!!!!
[11:50] <Nightrose> apachelogger: whatever you did: *kiss*
[11:50] <Tm_T> awww
[11:50]  * Nightrose sends email to the neon list
[12:00]  * jussi01 waves
[12:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I told you,
[12:21] <apachelogger> batman took care of it
[12:21] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:25] <apachelogger> hm
[12:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: you mc people now do micro meetings? :P
[12:27] <Tonio_> hey all
[12:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what is the status of kde4.2 beta1 packages for kubuntu ?
[12:28] <apachelogger> WIP
[12:28] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll have my appartment, and therefore internet connection in 3 weeks, so I can't really work in the meantime
[12:28] <Tonio_> apachelogger: oki
[12:28] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll be probably a lot more usefull in one month....
[12:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: will that be dedicated ppa ? backports ?
[12:29] <apachelogger> Tonio_: jaunty
[12:29] <apachelogger> we didn't even start intrepid yet
[12:29] <apachelogger> but if, when we finished the intrepid packages they are going to appear in the kubuntu-experimental PPA
[12:31] <Tonio_> oki
[12:42] <apachelogger> !info openbabel jaunty
[12:43] <apachelogger> !info libgps-dev
[12:43] <apachelogger> !info libgps-dev jaunty
[12:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: a) do we have MIRs for those b) if not, does Arby file them? c) if not, we at least need reports about the missing functionallity
[12:44] <apachelogger> !info libopenbabel-dev jaunty
[12:44] <apachelogger> weird that is
[13:00] <apachelogger> anyone wanna get started with development?
[13:01] <Hobbsee> of?
[13:02] <apachelogger> anything
[13:02] <apachelogger> mostly Kubuntu I guess :P
[13:03] <Hobbsee> oh
[13:05] <Tm_T> apachelogger: sure, getting started would be nice (;)
[13:06] <apachelogger> I keep telling that to myself
[13:06] <Tm_T> I gave up here already
[13:06]  * apachelogger is wondering if vorian will ever come back
[13:08] <apachelogger> hm, back in the days I spent my time adding crappy software to the archives
[13:08] <apachelogger> now I am spending it removing crappy software
[13:24]  * jussi01 huggles apachelogger
[13:28] <jussi01> apachelogger: VistaUser wants to get started with development...
[13:28] <VistaUser> yah
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> Any motus around that can ack bug 301083?
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> ...unless apachelogger has already done so, lol
[13:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna explain VistaUser how to get started with development :P
[13:31] <apachelogger> kaider-kde4 => kdesdk (move dummy package + file package removal request
[13:31] <VistaUser> huh lol
[13:32] <apachelogger> hm, probably sounds easier than it is
[13:32] <VistaUser> maybe
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> VistaUser: So, you want to get started with development
[13:32] <VistaUser> yah
[13:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: getting started towards that particular task
[13:32] <apachelogger> gettinga  dummy package, adding it to kdesdk filing a package removal request
[13:32] <VistaUser> never did it before but always had an intrest in how lines of letters and numbers can make a prog
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> What we do here is take KDE or KDE-related software and make sure that our users get it in the best way possible
[13:33] <VistaUser> oo
[13:33] <VistaUser> sounds cool
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> yup
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> To do that we take the source code that the various developers distribute
[13:34] <VistaUser> oo kk
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> And add instructions to the source that we call "packaging"
[13:34] <VistaUser> kk
[13:34] <apachelogger> also known as mindraping
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> This packaging tells us how the program is to be built, installed, and divided into binary packages
[13:35] <VistaUser> so u take a source code and u just add to it ?
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> Well, you don't add to it willy-nilly
[13:35] <VistaUser> lol
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> In most cases the work has been done for us
[13:35] <VistaUser> k
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> by previous developers
[13:36] <VistaUser> ok
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> But sometimes our packaging has bugs in it
[13:36] <VistaUser> how do u get rid of bugs?
[13:36] <hunger> VistaUser: Ubuntu is mostly distributing and packaging, not *that* much development. They do fix the occassional bug, etc. but they tend to not write the software in the first place (with exceptions).
[13:37]  * JontheEchidna treis to find the list of junior jobs
[13:37] <VistaUser> ooo
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> VistaUser: It depends on the bug
[13:38] <VistaUser> ok
[13:38]  * JontheEchidna tries to find a good easy one
[13:38] <VistaUser> lol
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> But yeah, mainly we fix packaging bugs, update software packaging for new versions of software
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> And we also create packaging for new software not yet in *buntu
[13:39] <VistaUser> oo
[13:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I just posted you a junior job :P
[13:40] <VistaUser> thats cool vut i dont know python that well
[13:40] <apachelogger> the really cool people use ruby anyway
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> lol
[13:40] <VistaUser> is it harder to learn then python lol
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so what is up with kaider-kde4?
[13:41] <apachelogger> it is a transitional package
[13:41] <apachelogger> or rather... it is a source package creating _only_ a transitional package to lokalize
[13:42] <apachelogger> so the transitional package should be moved to kdesdk
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> it is in kdesdk according to apt-cache show
[13:42] <apachelogger> and then the kaider-kde4 source should be kicked out of the archives
[13:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: then we just need a package removal request
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> ok
[13:42] <VistaUser> idk what u guys talking about but it sounds intresting lol
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> VistaUser: in KDE4 a localization program called "kaider" got it's name changed to "lokalize"
[13:43] <VistaUser> ooooo
[13:43] <VistaUser> okie dokie
[13:44] <VistaUser> some say KDE4 is to buggy
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> This isn't a bug so much as just routine maintenence
[13:44] <VistaUser> ooo
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> Anyway, for KDE 4.0 it was released on its own, as kaider-kde4
[13:44] <VistaUser> can u guys fix?
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> but then its name got changed to lokalize in KDE 4.1
[13:45] <VistaUser> ooo
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> so we still have the source for the old kaider-kde4 lying around in the archives
[13:45] <VistaUser> ok
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> What we need to do is to tell the archive admins to delete the old source package
[13:46] <VistaUser> i am bgoing to try and create my own bot
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> By filing a request for removal bug report
[13:46] <VistaUser> oo
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> Here is one I filed for a plasmoid that used to have its own separate package but now is part of kdeplasma-addons: bug 301083
[13:47] <VistaUser> oo
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> You would file a similar report, with the reason being that kaider was renamed lokalize and put inside the kdesdk KDE module
[13:48] <VistaUser> and that shouldnt have happened?
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> what shouldn't had happened?
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> *have
[13:48] <VistaUser> kaider being put in the kdesdk KDE module
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> Oh, it's perfectly fine for software to change its name and move around
[13:49] <VistaUser> ooo kk
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> The bug tracker is just a formal way for us to tell the archive admins to remove the source package
[13:49] <VistaUser> ooo ok
[13:53] <VistaUser> what type of ubuntu or linux or w/e u guys running
[13:53] <apachelogger> !u
[13:54]  * vvinet snicker
[13:55] <VistaUser> lol
[13:55] <VistaUser> What type of ubuntu or linux "you" guys running
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntu of course?
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> :P
[13:55] <VistaUser> ok
[13:56] <VistaUser> i am trying to try out all of the ubuntus out there and see which fits me best
[13:56] <vvinet> What are YOU running, VistaUser?
[13:56] <VistaUser> ubuntu
[13:56] <hunger> VistaUser: That is a strange question to ask in a channel reserved for kubuntu developers.
[13:57] <VistaUser> lol i know i am tryintg to get drivers and stuff for kubuntu
[13:57] <VistaUser> cause i had a hard time with ubuntu seeing if drivers are compatible with kubuntu
[13:57] <vvinet> o_O
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> The drivers are exactly the same
[13:58] <VistaUser> o really lol
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> yes
[13:58] <VistaUser> i guess i can upgrade
[13:58] <hunger> VistaUser: The difference between kubuntu and ubuntu is in one package (plus its dependencies). The base and thus the drivers needed is identical.
[13:59] <VistaUser> oo kk
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> VistaUser: for other ways you can help Kubuntu (not necessarily through packaging, see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingKubuntu
[13:59] <VistaUser> i learned alot today just by switching OS
[13:59] <hunger> VistaUser: So if you want to try kubuntu: "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" and then change the desktop environment to start in the login screen.
[14:00] <VistaUser> thats all i have to do
[14:00] <vvinet> too simple? :)
[14:00] <VistaUser> kind of
[14:00] <VistaUser> i thought i had to burn an ISO
[14:01] <VistaUser> brb i am going to upgrade lol
[14:03] <VistaUser> this is the first time i stayed up passed my bedtime
[14:03] <hunger> VistaUser: kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, etc. all share the same base with more or less bells and whistles added. So you can even have all of them installed at the same time and switch between them.
[14:03] <VistaUser> like partitioning the hard drive?
[14:04] <VistaUser> or install all and go between them
[14:06] <VistaUser> what is default display manager??? gdm or kdm
[14:06] <seaLne> you choose
[14:06] <VistaUser> oo kk
[14:07] <seaLne> gdm is from gnome kdm from kde but they do the same thing
[14:07] <VistaUser> oo kk
[14:08] <VistaUser> k i am guessing i have to restart after i move to kbuntu?
[14:09] <JontheEchidna> nah, just log out and choose KDE as your session type
[14:09] <VistaUser> crtl + alt + backspace?
[14:10] <seaLne> just select logout normally
[14:10] <VistaUser> brb
[14:10] <VistaUser> oo ok lol
[14:15] <VistaUser> ok am i in right channel
[14:19] <r0uzic> when is available kde 4.2 beta1 for intrepid?
[14:21] <hunger> r0uzic: So far it is not fully available for jaunty:-(
[14:22] <r0uzic> hunger: any beta? :(
[14:23] <hunger> r0uzic: I think the beta is partially available. Only kdelibs/kdepimlibs/kdebase afaict though.
[14:23] <hunger> at least the kdeutils and stuff still are based on kde 4.1.x in my aptitude.
[14:23] <r0uzic> oks, thanks hunger
[14:25] <VistaUser> hunger
[14:40] <VistaUser> anyone there that can help me install KDE4.1
[14:45] <hunger> VistaUser: If you are on intrepid then I already gave you all the commands needed.
[14:45] <VistaUser> really
[14:46] <VistaUser> even to get to KDE
[14:46] <hunger> VistaUser: Log out, check for menu/setup or similar buttons on the login screen and select session type KDE there.
[14:47] <VistaUser> ooo
[14:47] <VistaUser> ok ty
[14:47] <VistaUser> i didnt know thats what i was supposed to do
[14:47] <VistaUser> i thought i can just log in
[14:48] <hunger> VistaUser: You can "switch user" with the system menu in grome.
[14:48] <VistaUser> kk
[14:48] <hunger> VistaUser: That should give you a new login prompt without logging out.
[14:48] <VistaUser> ok
[14:48] <hunger> VistaUser: But that is actually a topic more suited for the non-developer channel:-)
[14:49] <VistaUser> lol\
[14:49] <VistaUser> i know u guys inly ones active
[14:49] <VistaUser> i should go to bed its 5 in the morning
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> !info libspeex-dev
[15:46] <Tm_T> apachelogger: 'oi!
[15:52] <rgreening> Sime: you around?
[16:01] <rgreening> anyone know how to add contextmenu items to a KSystemTrayIcon in pykde/pyqt? I can't seem to get it figured out
[16:16] <apachelogger> Tm_T: oh?
[16:17] <apachelogger> rgreening: take a look at power-manager-guidance I'd do
[16:19] <rgreening> apachelogger: ok, I'll have a peek...
[16:52] <rgreening> apachelogger: thanks. that example helped a lot.
[16:56] <hunger> What is up with the kde 4.2 beta update for jaunty? Did it get stuck?
[17:26] <nixternal> apachelogger: we have meetings every wednesday
[17:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: where are these meetings hold?
[17:27] <apachelogger> hunger: very slow progress
[17:27] <nixternal> apachelogger: on IRC now...we used to do them on Skype
[17:27] <apachelogger> oh dear... how open :P
[17:27] <nixternal> you get the raw log when it is over :p
[18:04] <Sime> is there a fix anywhere for the evil "corrupt icons in the plasma system tray" bug?
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> Sime: supposedly it's fixed in KDE 4.2, otherwise you can switch virtual terminals
[18:06] <Nightrose> works like a charm here in neon
[18:06] <Nightrose> so should be fine in trunk
[18:06] <Sime> and on intrepid?
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> the vt-switch trick is the only workaround
[18:07] <Sime> vt-switch has no effect here.
[18:07] <Sime> my desktop machine works fine.
[18:07] <Sime> the aspire 1 doesn't.
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> is the whole icon corrupted or just the background?
[18:19] <a|wen> got the same here (intrepid + 4.1.3) ... background corrupted, and vt-switch doesn't change anything
[18:45] <Tm_T> apachelogger: gethotnewstuff works or not work in neon-kde?
[18:47] <apachelogger> dunno
[18:51] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ok, then I'd say "no"
[18:51] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I will be awaiting your problem analysis then :P
[18:52] <Tm_T> 1741.52 < natschil> Half-Left : I have kde 4.2 beta from the neon repos for ubuntu, but the get hot new stuff feature doesn't work
[18:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I live in trunk, so cannot say about neon
[18:53] <apachelogger> Tm_T: well, knowing what could cause the nonworking would already be a lot
[18:53] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I cannot say (:)
[18:53] <Tm_T> 1745.55 < natschil> it has never worked with neon before, but I thought that it had been disabled or something, but now with beta it still doesn't work, so Im slowly suspecting something is wrong
[18:54] <Tm_T> I'm only a messenger
[18:54] <Nightrose> Tm_T: same here
[18:54] <Tm_T> heh
[18:55] <apachelogger> well, someone gotta do an investigation
[18:55] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i am fixing parley for you right now ;-)
[18:55] <Nightrose> recompiling currently
[18:55] <Nightrose> to see if everything is ok
[18:58] <Sime> JontheEchidna: all of the icons are corrupt. (random bits of other images etc)
[18:58] <Riddell> Sime: I don't think there's anything can be done about it, Plasma people blame it all on X (probably fairly)
[18:59] <Riddell> and it just depends on your X drivers and if X is in a good or bad mood that day
[18:59] <Sime> it is kind of a showstopper here.
[18:59] <Sime> we can't change the plasma visual to plain RGB or something?
[19:00] <Riddell> not in 4.1 as far as I know
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> Plasma shouldn't use argb visuals if desktop effects are off
[20:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose++
[20:00] <Nightrose> :)
[20:02] <apachelogger> waaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[20:02] <apachelogger> 4.2 got a pacman clone
[20:02] <apachelogger> !
[20:02] <apachelogger> hooray \o/
[20:02] <apachelogger> and a robots clone!
[20:03] <apachelogger> now all that is left is space invaders ;-)
[20:05] <bastian_> hi
[20:06] <OculusAquilae> how are kde 4.2 beta 1 packages going?
[20:06] <apachelogger> 4.2 beta1?
[20:06] <apachelogger> is it time already?
[20:07] <OculusAquilae> apachelogger: http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2-beta1.php
[20:07] <apachelogger> omg
[20:07] <apachelogger> OculusAquilae: oh wells, it's not of any use anyway
[20:08] <OculusAquilae> apachelogger: ???
[20:08] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose please explain me
[20:08]  * Nightrose isn't sure she can ;-)
[20:08] <apachelogger> ah nevermind then
[20:08] <Nightrose> OculusAquilae: it will take some time
[20:08] <Nightrose> we are short on packagers currently
[20:08]  * apachelogger hands Nightrose a cookie
[20:09] <Nightrose> people being on holiday and all
[20:09] <Nightrose> but it is being worked on
[20:09] <OculusAquilae> hm
[20:09]  * Nightrose munches the cookie
[20:09]  * Nightrose goes back to making parley rock ;-)
[20:10]  * apachelogger compiles something so it looks like he is busy and starts reading the newspaper
[20:10] <Nightrose> *lol*
[20:10] <apachelogger> I come to think that carsten's idea of a plasmoid that is showing fake compile messages might make sense after all
[20:11] <apachelogger> OculusAquilae: you can join the development squad if you want ... you certainly would get earlier access to the packages
[20:12] <apachelogger> plus you can help move the freedesktop forward
[20:14] <OculusAquilae> apachelogger: if I had time to do so, I would
[20:15] <apachelogger> zeit muss man sich nehmen
[20:16] <OculusAquilae> but studying, christmas and a terminal-server installation at a school takes all my time. additionally I would like to complete die Keep port
[20:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I really think bug 280610 should be forwarded to the trolls :P
[20:16] <apachelogger> eh
[20:16] <apachelogger> nokias
[20:17] <apachelogger> now that sounds lame...
[20:17] <apachelogger> OculusAquilae: keep port?
[20:17] <OculusAquilae> apachelogger: the backup thing
[20:17] <apachelogger> ah
[20:17] <apachelogger> OculusAquilae: can you make it more timemachine-like as well? ;-)
[20:19] <OculusAquilae> I would be happy to get everything working first, then I will think of new features
[20:19] <OculusAquilae> but I'll look at it
[20:21] <OculusAquilae> apachelogger: but it would be interesting
[20:21] <apachelogger> *nod*
[20:25] <OculusAquilae> technically an equivalent backend like keep
[20:26] <OculusAquilae> would be very cool
[21:29]  * Sime is trying to get 8.10 running smoothly on the wife's Acer One.
[21:30]  * Sime feels like he has fallen out of the bug tree and hit every branch on the way down...
[21:35] <Sime> suspend seems to work out of the box though.


[00:21] <Ahmuck-Jr> how are html5 codecs unfree?
[00:25] <ogra> html5 codecs ?
[00:25] <ogra> the codecs used in the <video> tag are unfree ...
[00:36] <Lns> there is no standard html5 codec.. it's undefined.
[00:36] <Lns> because of the ogg/h.264 headbutting
[00:37] <Lns> diversity is always good so i'm not really worried..at least it's a step in the right direction
[02:22] <dtaddeo> can any one help me with a youtube problem?
[02:23] <dtaddeo> please?
[02:23] <dtaddeo> anyone in here?
[02:26] <dtaddeo> any one?
[02:35] <mhall119> 5 whole minutes, I'm amazed at the patience
[02:54] <Ahmuck> ogg is unfree?  in reguards to html5 codecs
[03:33] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: ogg and theora are free.
[03:34] <sbalneav> And are (as far as anyone knows) patent unencumbered
[03:38] <Ahmuck> i'm going to love the day when ms or some other big company hits a patent wall
[03:38] <sbalneav> They do all the time.
[03:38] <Ahmuck> it'll serve em right for getting us into the mess
[03:38] <sbalneav> They just pay a lot of money to get out of them in licensing deals
[03:39] <sbalneav> and pass the cost on to us :)
[03:39] <Ahmuck> a patent wall is one where they can't buy thier way out
[03:40] <sbalneav> You can *always* buy your way out of a patent mess.
[03:40] <sbalneav> Usually, by finding something of yours that *they're* infringing on :)
[03:41] <sbalneav> And since software patents are in such a mess, no matter what patent you hold, you can probably find some part of it that was patented before.
[03:42] <sbalneav> It's a huge mess :(
[03:43] <Ahmuck> running a vm inside of a ltsp session causes it to slow down :/
[03:44] <sbalneav> Not surprising.
[03:44] <sbalneav> You're emulating X calls within X calls
[03:44] <sbalneav> then shipping all that over the network.
[03:45] <Ahmuck> well, i forgot i was in a ltsp session
[03:45] <Ahmuck> however my client is a 2ghz, 2gb machine
[03:45] <Ahmuck> with plenty of vid mem
[03:46] <sbalneav> Doesn't matter.  If the vm's not making efficient use of X calls, it's going to be sending a LOT of data down the network.
[03:47] <sbalneav> Same thing with, say, Flash vs. gstreamer
[03:47]  * Ahmuck just dumped firefox as the browser on ltsp
[03:48] <sbalneav> In exchange for?
[03:49] <Ahmuck> opera
[03:50] <sbalneav> Works better?
[03:50] <Ahmuck> it's like night and day
[03:50] <sbalneav> The app makes all the difference.
[03:51] <sbalneav> Firefox is being written *completely* from the point of view of a single user on a single box, and quite frankly, their market these days is Windows, no Linux.
[03:51] <sbalneav> You might want to look at giving Epiphany a try too.
[03:52] <sbalneav> It's the gnome browser.
[03:52] <sbalneav> Uses WebKit on the back end, I beleive.
[03:52] <sbalneav> The one *nice* thing about epiphany is, it speaks gconf.
[03:52] <sbalneav> So you can use lockdown on it for setting things like mandatory homepage, etc.
[03:52] <sbalneav> and works well with sabayon.
[03:57] <Ahmuck> http://inverse.ca/debian/
[03:57] <Ahmuck> trying to add that to software sources, but it's not working
[03:58] <sbalneav> what's the line you're adding?
[04:00] <sbalneav> You doing this on Ubuntu?
[04:00] <sbalneav> Because all they have are lenny and squeeze packages.
[04:01] <sbalneav> http://www.inverse.ca/debian/conf/distributions
[04:01] <Ahmuck> yep
[04:01] <sbalneav> Yep, what?  You're doing this on debian?
[04:02] <Ahmuck> oh, no, on ubuntu
[04:02] <sbalneav> ok, then it won't work
[04:02] <Ahmuck> hrm, sogo says it will
[04:02] <sbalneav> since all they're offering is debian lenny & squeeze packages.
[04:03] <sbalneav> They may possibly work if you download the deb's manually and do a dpkg -i
[07:38] <alkisg> Καλημέρα
[13:02] <joerg> hi
[13:03] <alkisg> Hello
[14:14] <joerg> a bit quiet here today :)
[14:45] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:07]  * sbalneav anxiously awaits someone to have an aneurism over his epiphany suggestion :)
[15:09] <stgraber> sbalneav: bah, it's for 12.04, so I won't complain "yet" ;)
[15:09] <alincoln> hah
[15:11] <sbalneav> I think we should ship both pre-installed, at the least.
[15:11] <sbalneav> I've switched over to it at home, anyway.
[15:45] <highvoltage> hi sbalneav
[15:45] <mhall119|work> if epiphany works better over LTSP, I see no reason to not include it
[15:55] <Ahmuck-Jr> sbalneav: sees sbalneav has has an epiphany and agrees
[16:00] <gavinl_> Hi, I just installed edUbuntu in vmware, I want to install vmware tools, but it says "VMware Tools Installation cannot be started manually while Easy Install is in progress." How can I solve this issue?
[16:06] <gavinl_> Hi, is there anyone out there? THis is my first time use IRC channel, please reply if anyone see my message.
[16:06] <sbalneav> gavinl_: Yep, we see you
[16:07] <gavinl_> Thank you
[16:07] <sbalneav> But I'm not familiar with vmware :)
[16:07] <sbalneav> How are you trying to install the vmware tools?
[16:07] <gavinl_> But what is the easy install? It is different than all other linux dist
[16:08] <gavinl_> TO install vmtools, just select VM and click install vmware tools in the menu of vmware workstation
[16:09] <sbalneav> Yeah, there's no vmware-tools package under Edubuntu, so I'd ask vmware.
[16:09] <gavinl_> It has vmware tools with Ubuntu, I just have to kill that "Easy Install"
[16:10] <sbalneav> But it's the vmware tools installation that's giving you that message, right?
[16:10] <sbalneav> So who knows what it's looking for.
[16:11] <gavinl_> Yes. but why "easy install" is still active after I finished install edUbuntu?
[16:13] <sbalneav> Don't know.  Is "Easy Install" a vmware thing?
[16:13] <sbalneav> As I said, I'm not familiar with vmware.
[16:14] <gavinl_> "Easy install" is edUbuntu thing, not vmware.
[16:14] <sbalneav> Which version of edubuntu are you loading?
[16:15] <gavinl_> the lastest, and I just updated 1 last night
[16:16] <sbalneav> How are you installing it, via the desktop?  Or with the text based installer?
[16:16] <alkisg> gavinl_: easy install seems to be a vmware thing: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_righthand/archive/2009/01/19/VMWare-Workstation_2700_s-Easy-Install.aspx
[16:17] <alkisg> And the message is shown to you by vmware, not by edubuntu...
[16:17] <sbalneav> Yeah, I was wondering.  I didn't think we had an "easy install" option.
[16:17] <sbalneav> But I always use the text installer.
[16:30] <gavinl_> Hi,  no matter where is the "easy install", I just wondering why I don't have problem to install vmware tools in Fedora, CentOS, but just have issue here?
[16:31] <sbalneav> Have you restarted the vm after the install?
[16:33] <gavinl_> yes, a couple of time
[16:34] <alkisg> I don't know how easy install works, but it might be possible that the vmware code is not suitable for the most recent edubuntu version
[16:35] <alkisg> You'd better ask at a vmware irc/forum for details, but why don't you just disable it?
[16:35] <alkisg> With easy install disabled, I imagine that it will allow you to insert the tools cd..
[16:36] <gavinl_> good idea! how can I disable it?
[16:38] <alkisg> From the vmware menus, I imagine...
[16:38] <sbalneav> gavinl_: We're not sure.  As we said, we don't know vmware :)
[16:38] <sbalneav> You're not having an edubuntu problem, you're having a vmware problem
[16:40] <gavinl_> it might be a vmware problem, Thans guys!
[16:40] <sbalneav> NP
[16:41] <sbalneav> I've got to get some hard numbers on memory usage between FF and Epiphany.
[16:49] <ogra> sbalneav, why not chromium ?
[16:50] <sbalneav> chrome doesn't interact with gconf
[16:50] <ogra> (note that FF 3.6 has a very low memory footprint btw)
[16:50] <sbalneav> ephy's based on webkit like chrome, but it's got lockdown
[16:50] <ogra> but its not really well maintained
[16:50] <sbalneav> I dunno, I'm in the channel right now, seems pretty active.
[16:51] <ogra> well, thats what i'm told by our browser team
[16:51] <ogra> its surely better than midori or some other not so mainstream browser
[16:52] <Ahmuck> i see yahoo is now on the opera page
[16:52] <Ahmuck> any chance yahoo is doing what sun was doing, buying up companies and then selling to bigger vendors?
[16:52] <Ahmuck> new wave of defeating FOSS ?
[16:52] <ogra> ask yahoo ?
[16:54] <Ahmuck> hrm, nm.  it's just a search option on the page
[17:39] <mhall119|work> who is yahoo buying up now?
[17:44] <Ahmuck> nobody
[17:45] <Ahmuck> it was my error
[17:55] <Ahmuck> using a thin client to do some vm work and building in the vm.  however there must be a slight delay and as a result i'm getting sssssssssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudddddddddddddddoooooooooo
[17:55] <Ahmuck> hrm, nm, i'll move this to ltsp
[18:49] <stgraber> meeting in 10 minutes
[18:50] <alkisg> Whoops
[18:55] <sbalneav> Work's going to intrude today.
[18:55] <sbalneav> My regrets.
[18:57] <stgraber> meeting should be quite short, I don't see highvoltage around and not much changed on my hand, I'm naggin a lot of people at the moment but without much success yet
[18:58] <stgraber> oh surprise, mgariepy is there ;)
[18:58] <mgariepy> big surprise since you just told me hehe ;P
[19:01] <stgraber> sbalneav: we are in -meeting if you find the time
[19:08] <stgraber> ogra: hey, I just noticed you are part of ubuntu-cdimage ;) Anything you can do to help us with bug 509970 ?
[19:36] <Ahmuck> whats the status on LDAP?  is it openLDAP.  is there an edubuntu standard that might fall in line with other groupware programs?
[19:41] <Lns> Ahmuck: the status i think is still in planning a structure, if that.. sbalneav was looking into it
[19:44] <Ahmuck> i understand there is no standard in LDAP
[19:45] <Ahmuck> is openLDAP standard across software that would use it?
[19:45] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: LDAP itself is pretty standard, i.e. any LDAP server *should* be able to replace any other one.
[19:46] <sbalneav> What *isn't* standard is how to lay out your database
[19:46] <sbalneav> LDAP organizes things into ou's, or Organizational Units
[19:46] <sbalneav> For instance.  Our DN's at work look like (for users)
[19:47] <Ahmuck> i'm looking at sogo for groupware for calandering
[19:47] <sbalneav> uid=userid,ou=users,dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
[19:47] <Ahmuck> and it uses openldap
[19:47] <sbalneav> with groups looking like:
[19:47] <sbalneav> gid=group,ou=groups,dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
[19:48] <sbalneav> However, there's nothing stopping you from using the "o" and organizing your people under "People" so...
[19:48] <sbalneav> uid=userid,ou=People,o=Legal Aid Manitoba
[19:49] <sbalneav> A school may want to lay out their users into grades, so...
[19:49] <Ahmuck> heh
[19:49] <sbalneav> uid=foo,ou=Grade 1,...
[19:49] <sbalneav> uid=foo,ou=Grade 2,...
[19:49] <Ahmuck> i know a number of projects out there using ldap, does moodle?
[19:49] <sbalneav> Not sure, I think moodle uses postgresql on the backend
[19:49] <Ahmuck> so does sogo
[19:50] <sbalneav> but it's pretty easy to link postgres to ldap
[19:50] <Ahmuck> and i'm somewhat anti-postgresql
[19:50] <sbalneav> Really?
[19:50] <Ahmuck> i find mysql easier to use and setup
[19:50] <sbalneav> We use it here at Legal Aid and love the living daylights out of it.
[19:51] <sbalneav> We've got about 400 gigs of data in it.
[19:51] <Ahmuck> i gtg 4 now.  need to get some work completed b4 the incoming snow storm
[19:53] <Lns> sbalneav: is it feasible to create multiple "schemas" (is that the right word?) for different types of schools/preferences and allow someone to choose which one they'd like to use?
[19:53] <sbalneav> Well, sure
[19:53] <sbalneav> but then we have to support all the different configurations in:
[19:53] <sbalneav> pam
[19:53] <sbalneav> nsswitch
[19:53] <sbalneav> sabayon
[19:53] <Lns> ah that's right
[19:53] <sbalneav> evoldap
[19:53] <sbalneav> etc etc etc
[19:54] <sbalneav> that's always the problem.
[19:54] <Lns> do ^^^ have their own schemas already we might just pull from?
[19:54] <Lns> i.e. is there a standard in place?
[19:54] <sbalneav> Well, here's how debian-edu does it, and I think it's the best approach
[19:54] <sbalneav> They ship a schema
[19:54] <sbalneav> all set up and ready to rock
[19:55] <sbalneav> everything defaulting to that schema, pre-set up
[19:55] <sbalneav> Everything works out-of-the-box
[19:55] <sbalneav> Someone wanders in and says "Thats nice, but I want to use blah-de-blah"
[19:56] <sbalneav> They say "Fantastic, but you're on your own.  You need to reconfigure all the bits appropriately.  We support the default schema"
[19:56] <sbalneav> So, everything's ldap enabled, and ready to rock, but they don't try to support people who do the old "Yeah but I want to run it THIS way"
[19:57] <Lns> love that idea :)
[19:57] <sbalneav> My proposal is:
[19:57] <sbalneav> 1) Steal^H^H^H^H^HExpropriate as much as we can from debian-edu
[19:57] <sbalneav> 2) Add in stuff they don't have, and give that back to them
[19:57] <sbalneav> 3) ????
[19:58] <sbalneav> 4) PROFIT!
[19:58] <Lns> haha =)
[19:58]  * Lns nods in agreement
[19:58] <Lns> no sense in recreating the wheel
[19:58] <sbalneav> Right.
[19:58] <Lns> especially if "upstream" ;) has something already going
[19:59] <sbalneav> Now, they're on "old" openLdap, the pre-cf= ldap that's in Ubuntu now
[19:59] <sbalneav> since debian-edu's running on a much older version of debian atm
[19:59] <Lns> pre-cf= ?
[19:59] <sbalneav> however, they do stuff with "preseeding" the initial LDAP layout, and pam, etc configs that we can snag
[20:00] <sbalneav> yeah, you don't configure schemas and such in openldap anymore in the /etc/ldap/slapd.conf file anymore
[20:00] <sbalneav> there's a special config record that you do it in.
[20:00] <sbalneav> it's just implementation details
[20:00] <sbalneav> their pre-seed idea will still work for us.
[20:01] <Lns> oh gotcha
[20:01] <sbalneav> Anyone know where the next ubu conf's gonna be at?
[20:01] <sbalneav> here in NA?
[20:01] <sbalneav> or europe somewhere?
[20:02] <sbalneav> stgraber: you know?
[20:03]  * highvoltage missed the meeting due to being in another one
[20:03] <stgraber> sbalneav: europe but we don't know were yet
[20:03] <sbalneav> ah, nuts
[20:03] <sbalneav> stgraber: you and hv gonna be there?
[20:04] <sbalneav> So, here'd be my suggestions:
[20:04] <sbalneav> 1) Decide on a config.  ou=users/students/whathaveyou
[20:05] <sbalneav> 2) get configs for pam, nss, evoldap, sabayon, possible ldap backend connector for homepage, etc.
[20:06] <sbalneav> 3) write our simple useradd program that can handle any backends/plugins
[20:06] <sbalneav> 4) Use the ldaptools backends for adduing users to ldap
[20:07] <sbalneav> 5) Snag debian-edu's preseeding magic to "make it all happen"
[20:07] <sbalneav> 6) create an "edubuntu-ldap-config" package that does all the magic
[20:07] <sbalneav> etc.
[20:08] <sbalneav> *none* of that's very hard.  And certainly ALL of that's doable before 12.04
[20:08] <sbalneav> So, we can go into 12.04 with a system that's ldap-enabled out-of-the-box, with lockdown for web,mail, desktop, etc.
[20:09] <stgraber> sbalneav: I'll be there and we'll try to be as many as possible from RL at UDS, depending on how many get invited and where it's
[20:13] <sbalneav> stgraber: Now that Canonical's cut us free, any sponsorships available for Edubuntu people, or has that dried up, do you think?
[20:13] <stgraber> sbalneav: I don't think there's any sponsorship place for Edubuntu people, I usually get invited by QA/server, the best hope is the Community team
[20:14] <sbalneav> It would probably make sense for me to be there, but I don't think I can afford it this year.  I'm already out-of-pocket for both Brazil and Maine :(
[20:15] <sbalneav> I'll ping Jorge, see what he thinks.
[20:15] <sbalneav> bbiab
[20:16] <stgraber> sbalneav: that's a good plan jorge being one of the UDS organizers ;)
[21:44] <joerg> hi folks :)


 http://www.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/galaxy-s8-leak-front.jpg
 That is likely my next phone
 I may be getting the Nintendo Switch today
 Niceee
 I can vouch for the validity of this image.    It was still taken with an iPhone.
 Throughout leak history, you can always tell it's valid because it was taken with an iPhone.  This is the reason Keith won't be responsible for leaking unreleased devices.
 http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s8-headphone-jack-754155
 The smudges we expect are seen on the sides of it.
 I just find it funny that the iPhone is the number one camera used to leak Galaxy devices.  I also think it's funny they always are smudged with fingerprints like someone was eating pizza.
 https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/6453536335331328/
 Own cloud is participating in GSOC. We need to suggest excel docs when they open.
 Zelda is a boy
 I feel triggered
 @KMyers  do you have problems with glass?  Mine won't sign in. I factory reset and it's stuck at pairing.
 No but in all honesty I have not used it in a while
 It has happened in the past and it normally works when I try it a few times
[14:24] <maxolasersquad> I just got my Wii U this week. I got it for ~$100 off and many game scan be picked up for less.
 Yes, this will cause the Wii U price to tank. I never purchased the Wii U myself
 Zelda is the big box game launching on the Switch but it is also on the Wii U
 @KMyers do you know of any good Apache server password management solution?
 To manage SSH/etc access?
 Server management. Access control
 To http
 Totp or email code
 Or allow users to specify username and password
 Are you running PHP on top of that?
 Something I can peg to a limited user base with little inconvenience.
 Sure
 But I want it at the server level.
 So you don't get a web page unless you authenticate
 I have heard good things about gluu, I have not tried it but it has a lot of great features
 There is also Syncope (part of the Apache foundation) but it is a bit of a mess
 I think ideally an email or SMS with a one time code would be best.
 Gluu has TOTP support using the Google Authenticator Framework
 I think it does email as well, SMS would require a SMS gateway but should also be possible
 Anything where you put in an email, and it checks a whitelist and emails a code without a password?  I have user authentication at the app level.  I need a second factor at the server.
 I am not aware of anything like that
 HRM..  maybe I can do something like one of the options above  without a password
 You would need to modify it but is should be possible. It may also be possible to write something like that
 I put Majora's Mask on my switch
[16:43] <maxolasersquad> Through the virtual console?
 No... Through a 3D Printer and Wood Filament
[16:44] <maxolasersquad> I've been playing a lot of Zelda recently. I started Wind Waker HD last night.
[16:44] <maxolasersquad> Oh, well, that's one way to do it. :)
 No virtual console yet. It will be coming soon. I put a 200gb micro SD card in there so I am ready
 Damn the SunPass Android app UI is badddddd
 I mades a 2-factor auth method.  https://pastebin.adamoutler.com/KVps
 Now I just need to figure out how best to implement it.
 essentially, authorized users already have a file created. gen2factor.sh creates a new password for that file, if it exists
 verify2factor.sh verifies the email(file), and a 6-digit code which gets run through base64 and compared to the generated 2factor code.
 now, I can generate and verify, I need to implement.
 Unfortunately I'm stuck. I just don't know apache that well.


[00:45] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[00:45] <mattwj2002> I have a question for the room
[00:45] <mattwj2002> does anyone know if there is a conflict with mythtv and asterisk on the same computer?
[00:57] <hads> Shouldn't be
[00:57] <mattwj2002> okay cool
[00:57] <mattwj2002> :)
[01:17] <pulaski> I run kubuntu 9.10 karmic koala.  dmseg shows my wintv card and associated info here  http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d35cc8921.  I want to try mythtv by installing it using Software Management in System Settings.  Under mythtv  a number of packages come up.  I don't know which to install.
[01:17] <pulaski> Question 1: Is my tv card suitable given the dmes output pasted here http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d35cc8921?
[01:20] <pulaski> Question 2: Is there a single complete mythtv package I can grab using apt-get install instead of having to choose among many using the software management too I have?
[01:26] <hads> pulaski: Install mythbuntu-control-centre and that will guide you.
[01:27] <pulaski> hads: Thanks for responding. That I will!
[04:49] <dragon_reborn> Hi, I folowed this link to set up VLC as my player in MythTV but where do I input the options referred to in it?
[04:50] <dragon_reborn> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VLC
[04:55] <dragon_reborn> also VLC plays the picture fine but no sound
[05:07] <dragon_reborn> scratch the first question it is in vlcrc.
[05:15] <dragon_reborn> ok got the options but still no audio, anybody git any ideas?
[12:33] <chris|> does anyone know if mplayer supports seamless playback of video files?
[13:34] <danbri> i've just installed from a fresh (and checked) mythbuntu disk, ... but it seems to 'give up' between figure 17 and fig 18 of http://www.mythtvbook.com/wiki/The_Easy_Way:_Installing_MythBuntu#Running_the_LiveCD_MythBuntu
[13:35] <danbri> ie. i go thru the 'install to HD' routine, it seems to be installing, then leaves me back at the 'doubleclick to install to your HD' screen, isntead of asking about Guide configuration
[14:40] <VincentCoen> HI have a prob: running 9.04 mythbuntu with a failing 500gb drive, have now replaced with a 1TB and have loaded 9.04 as upgrade via 8.04, 8.10 as a directly installed 9.04 fails to setup xorg but here is the issue:
[14:42] <VincentCoen> mave alot of tv and videos on old system. Have copied all files using rsync to new drive partition (xfs) over but what mysql db areas do I need to anso export from old and import to new to see all previously recorded tv progs and my videos?
[15:01] <VincentCoen> Can anyone help on a mysql problem when migating a failing 500gb drive to a 1Tb drive?
[15:06] <mrand> VincentCoen: I would recommend checking out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[15:06] <thisismyname_> !help
[15:06] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[15:06] <thisismyname_> !status
[15:06] <Zinn> I am alive.
[15:06] <thisismyname_> puh... thank god
[15:07] <VincentCoen> The prob is trying ony to export and reload into new drive relavent DBs needed for see, watch and delete old recordings.  It would also be nice to have the DB that covers the (previously recorded programmes etc)
[15:09] <VincentCoen> mrand: looking and printing out info
[15:10] <mrand> VincentCoen: I've not played with it, but you may be looking for something to do with finding orphans... if what you have is a clean database and old recordings.
[15:11] <VincentCoen> Nay ideas where to find info on recovering orphans?
[15:11] <VincentCoen> Nay=any
[15:13] <mrand> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.rebuilddatabase.pl and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth.find_orphans.pl  might be of interest.  Perhaps especially the first one.
[15:13] <VincentCoen> looking..
[15:17] <mrand> VincentCoen: perhaps I jumped to a conclusion... I assumed that you don't have access to your old database.  True?  If you do have access and paths have remained the same, you can back it up and the restore it on your new drive.
[15:19] <VincentCoen> I currently have access to the old with both versions the same (9.04) The trouble is the risk of transferring the whole mythconverg mysql DB over as there has been some curruption as recorded where missing after recording possible due to failing drive etc.
[15:20] <VincentCoen> So I just wanted to bring over thse tables that are requred so that mythtv can see all existing recordings and video files and the table that records previously recorded programmes .
[15:21] <VincentCoen> the new drive has the same structure and directory names as the old just more space on the xfs data partition
[15:25] <mrand> I'd be tempted to back up the current database, then drop it and restore the old database and just clean it and see what you have.  Worst case, do a partial restore to get the previously recorded programs and such.
[15:27] <VincentCoen> sounds like a plan, is there anywhere a detailed breakdown of the mythconverg database structure, ir, how table link to each other?
[15:29] <mrand> how tables link to each other?  Not that I've seen, but I haven't looked specifically for that either.  Closest I'm aware of is http://www.cuymedia.net/mythtv-trunk/group__db__schema.html
[15:33] <VincentCoen> looking..
[19:58] <errr-or> hi guys, i have Mythbuntu 9.10 x86_64, a Hauppauge Nova S2 HD Card (PVR-4000 lite). Kaffeine works well, but MythTv doesnt. I tried to do a manual scan, to import channels.conf. Scan worked, import didnt work. Scanning specific stations (mentioned in some howtos) doesnt work too. I already tried 3 different versions of firmware. what to try next? plz help ;)
[19:58] <errr-or> oh im a first time mythtv user
[22:04] <hads> Hmm. Seems I can't skip on LiveTV on my DVB cards anymore.
[22:04] <hads> The PVR150 still works.
[22:14] <linxeh> where should I look to debug why I can't rip DVDs in mythtv ?
[22:14] <linxeh> is there a log file somewhere ?
[22:21] <hads> So looks like I can seek if I wait about 30 seconds or so.
[22:23] <hads> OpenMedia: DPkg::Post-Invoke { "sed -i 's/<showcategories>yes<\/showcategories>/<showcategories>no<\/showcategories>/' /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Mythbuntu/
[22:23] <hads> Hmm, missed a bit.
[22:23] <hads> OpenMedia: DPkg::Post-Invoke { "sed -i 's/<showcategories>yes<\/showcategories>/<showcategories>no<\/showcategories>/' /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Mythbuntu/schedule-ui.xml"; };
[22:24] <hads> That will persist the theme fix over upgrades.
[22:27] <ernstp> I'm having problems getting my EPG into mythtv
[22:28] <ernstp> it should start to scan after 60 seconds of idle but I'm guessing it's not
[22:28] <ernstp> DVB-C stream
[22:29] <ernstp> it works on my Jaunty install, haven't gotten it to work on karmic yet
[22:30] <ernstp> do you need mythfilldatabase for the eit/epg?
[22:36] <rhpot1991> Bug 469583 | linxeh
[22:36] <Zinn> linxeh: Bug 469583 in mythbuntu "DVD ripping does not work until 'Directories that hold videos' is filled with a valid path" [High, In Progress] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/469583
[22:36] <rhpot1991> linxeh: may or may not be your issue, check that first though
[22:37] <linxeh> yeah I thought I'd done that, will check though
[22:37] <linxeh> thanks
[22:38] <rhpot1991> linxeh: if not then try other dvd's scratches/drm often cause failure
[22:42] <linxeh> it was that :)
[22:42] <linxeh> I reinstalled and hadnt set it this time round
[22:42] <linxeh> thanks
[22:43] <linxeh> very impressed with mythbuntu 9.10 btw
[22:43] <linxeh> practically everything worked out of the box, and I've managed to get the LCD and remote in my case working without loads of fiddling
[22:43] <ernstp> I've set it to use the card as an EIT source
[22:43] <ernstp> and enabled everything related
[22:44] <ernstp> I don't get anything in the mythbackend log after 60 seconds about it starting to scan
[22:49] <ernstp> perhaps something is making it think it's not idle?
[23:07] <_SKiTZO> is dvd an issue for latest mythbuntu (0.22)? and when will v 0.23 be out? are there any workarounds?
[23:16] <ernstp> _SKiTZO, dvd works fine here on mythbuntu 0.22
[23:20] <zurn> does mythbuntu have a live cd like normal ubuntu? if so, can i test my video card (that does have v4linux support) or will that require that i install mythbuntu?
[23:22] <ernstp> zurn, it
[23:22] <ernstp> zurn, it's default cd is a livecd
[23:23] <zurn> ernstp: can i test my usb tuner card from the live cd, or do i have to install to see if it works?
[23:23] <ernstp> zurn, well you can test almost anything from the livecd but there's no guide or wizard
[23:24] <ernstp> zurn, but boot the livecd and then install me-tv (it modifies the CD filesystem in RAM, pretty cool!)
[23:30] <Josh____> What vnc server package is installed when selected on mythbuntu?
[23:36] <linxeh> how easy is it to get bbc iplayer integrated into mythtv (mythvodka?) with ubuntu ?
[23:36] <OpenMedia> hads: Cheers
[23:38] <zurn> ernstp: is there a tutorial for that?
[23:39] <ernstp> zurn, my-tv is pretty nice, it should autodetect most things
[23:39] <hads> OpenMedia: No worries. I forgot to say that goes in a file in apt.conf.d but I guess you know that.
[23:41] <OpenMedia> hads: Yeah, but do you have a sensible way to trigger it only when a theme gets updated?
[23:46] <hads> Nope, it will always run but it's not going to matter withthat sed line, if it's already done it won't do anything.
[23:48] <hads> i.e. <showcategories>yes<\/showcategories> has already been replaced so nothing in the file will be matched.
[23:55] <ernstp> does this look like EIT scanning is working? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1674182


[02:36] <valorie> yay, falkon updates
[14:32] <ahoneybun> is there a calendar that I don't have for the new Podcast format?
[14:34] <clivejo> https://kubuntu.org/calendar ?
[14:38] <ahoneybun> thanks clivejo
[14:38] <ahoneybun> looks nice
[14:39] <clivejo> ahoneybun: BTW I been working on rebranding the podcast YouTube channel into a more generic Kubuntu one
[14:39] <ahoneybun> I see the spam in the kubuntu telegram channel
[14:40] <clivejo> its not spam :P
[14:40] <clivejo> it is networking
[14:41] <clivejo> linking simular content, helps get our stuff out there
[14:43] <clivejo> got 433 subs now
[14:46] <ahoneybun> mm I just got all the messages of you liking a ton of videos
[14:46] <ahoneybun> or adding them to playlists
[14:47] <clivejo> yeah, that is how to can influence video suggestions
[14:49] <clivejo> can you turn off that in the bot?
[14:49] <clivejo> if it is annoying you?
[14:55] <clivejo> am afraid I mightn't be about this weekend much
[14:56] <clivejo> definitely will miss the new live cafe thingie
 I'M back from French Alps now, looking forward to Friday and Saturday
[21:14] <clivejo> have fun?
[21:44] <valorie> oooooooo
[21:44] <valorie> jealous!
[21:49] <clivejo> valorie: any major changes in Falkon?
[21:50] <clivejo> Big Daddy reckons its the fastest browser he has reviewed :/
[21:51] <clivejo> oupps not Big Daddy
[21:51] <clivejo> TOS
[21:51] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEIRxtBuif0
[21:53] <clivejo> valorie: why don't you setup a YouTube?
[21:53] <clivejo> Big Grandmomma ?
[22:00] <valorie> what would I show on it?
[22:00] <valorie> my husband has one, but he makes little films or slideshows
[22:00] <clivejo> chat, testing stuff
[22:01] <valorie> nope, I'd rather spend my spare time doing my gen research
[22:03] <valorie> unless you'd like to send me a few extra hours ?
[22:03] <valorie> lol
[22:08] <clivejo> tsimonq2: website still 4.8.2 :(


[03:26] <trippeh> ah cool, unbound tells systemd it is stopping when getting a reload through systemctl
[03:27] <trippeh> borkborkbork
[03:29] <trippeh> then systemd gets mad at it
[06:29] <gunix> is luks encryption on a striped lv a bad ideea? i mean, when using striping and encryption together is the overhead so big that you should rather use linear, or is striping still worth it?
[08:56] <mike-zal> I use virtualmin. in firewall section I have "activate on start-yes", however, when I check ufw status in terminal, it says "inactive". can someone explain why is that? thanks
[10:02] <andol> mike-zal: My *guess* would by that virtualmin isn't usingufw at all, but rather iptables directly.
[10:03] <andol> mike-zal: iptables -L -v
[10:26] <mike-zal> andol: thanks, that's what I thought but wasn't sure. however I don't get fully the iptables/ufw relationship. is firewall working even if ufw isn't? what if I enable ufw? would it take over iptables then?
[10:26] <mike-zal> iptables -L -v shows the same as virtualmin
[11:19] <RoyK> mike-zal: ufw is just an iptables wrapper
[11:20] <RoyK> albeit a good one in my opinion
[12:26] <soahccc> Can one explain the concept of "MaxSessions" of sshd to me? I try to debug an application that softlocks when the remote terminates a connection due to "error: no more sessions". I set it to 5 now and the app reliably dies now everytime, yet I can open 20 SSH tabs in my terminal
[14:06] <JanC> soahccc: it's explained in the manual what that parameter does
[14:07] <JanC> but basically it comes down to multiplexing sessions over one connection vs. opening multiple connections
[14:07] <JanC> ssh probably does the latter if necessary
[14:08] <soahccc> JanC: but if I create multiple tabs locally and create ssh connection in each I get "new session" and later "session closed" for each in auth.log with different local ports... is it still multiplexing my connection magically?
[14:09] <JanC> sounds like ssh is not multiplexing the sessions in your case
[14:10] <JanC> and I suppose your application doesn't try to open multiple connections
[14:11] <soahccc> JanC: well the application has the same in auth.log but for some reason it get's restricted by "no more sessions" while I can still create new sessions via my terminal and ssh binary
[14:11] <JanC> also, try to figure out from the server logs if it has more info about why your application dies
[14:12] <JanC> yes, it's probably creating new connections for every session
[14:13] <soahccc> any my terminal isn't? I mean it's even saying in auth.log but somehow it doesn't get restricted with maxsessions
[14:13] <JanC> when you use ssh in the terminal
[14:14] <JanC> MaxSessions limits the sessions per connection, not the number of connections
[14:14] <soahccc> oh, well that explains it I guess :D thanks I totally misunderstood it
[14:15] <soahccc> then I don't understand why my application dies, it creates new connections for every sftp download... *shrug*
[14:16] <JanC> does it support the right ciphers etc.
[14:17] <JanC> recent versions of sshd dropped several that are unsafe
[14:18] <JanC> or maybe it tries to use a feature that is disabled in your sshd
[14:19] <JanC> like, is sftp implemented?  :)
[14:19] <JanC> enabled
[14:33] <soahccc> JanC: it works essentially but if I download too many files at once it breaks and on the remote auth.log I see that it terminated the request
[14:40] <JanC> soahccc: maybe it tries to multiplex multiple downloads?
[14:41] <JanC> maybe it should do them in series instead of parallel  :)
[14:43] <soahccc> JanC: yeah it does a few in parallel but not all at once, I'm basically just trying to recover from this error in my application. but I guess I'm still struggling with some internals of the SSH library
[18:37] <Machine_Ex98> hello some help guys
[18:39] <tomreyn> !ask | Machine_Ex98
[18:40] <Machine_Ex98> i wanna make mysql connect remotely
[18:40] <tomreyn> to what?
[18:41] <Machine_Ex98> to ip external
[18:41] <Machine_Ex98> so i can login with MysqlWorkbench or from any other website
[18:41] <tomreyn> let me guess: you want to make some mysql client talk to a separately hosted mysql database server?
[18:42] <Machine_Ex98> i'm already installed appserv phpmyadmin i wanna make my ip connect remotly
[18:42] <Machine_Ex98> not localhost
[18:42] <Machine_Ex98> external ip
[18:43] <tomreyn> this "appserv"? https://www.appserv.org/en/
[18:44] <Machine_Ex98> yes
[18:44] <tomreyn> do you run the mysql server yourself?
[18:44] <Machine_Ex98> yes
[18:45] <Machine_Ex98> i installed all fine
[18:46] <Machine_Ex98> i modified the files on etc/mysql
[18:46] <Machine_Ex98> mysqld.cnf
[18:46] <tomreyn> so you have a windows system running this "appserv" software compilation which includes a mysql server, but you do not want to use this server. you also run and manage another mysql server on some remote host, which the windows system can technically reach (but not connect to the mysql server, yet).
[18:46] <tomreyn> is this correct?
[18:47] <Machine_Ex98> bind-address		= <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:47] <Machine_Ex98> i modified with my ip
[18:47] <Machine_Ex98> then restart mysql
[18:47] <Machine_Ex98> so now i got this msg
[18:47] <Machine_Ex98> ERROR 1130: Host '188.11.x.x' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[18:48] <tomreyn> which operating system and version does your mysql server run on?
[18:52] <Machine_Ex98> sorry i was idle
[18:52] <Machine_Ex98> tomreyn :  Ubuntu 16.10
[18:53] <tomreyn> Machine_Ex98: that's end of life and thus unsupported here.
[18:54] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[18:54] <tomreyn> !eol
[18:54] <Machine_Ex98> okey by the way i can get support here or not ?
[18:56] <tomreyn> this channel is for support with supported (non end of life, just real ubuntu, not derivatives, not debian) ubuntu server installations.
[18:56] <tomreyn> (refer to the channle topic)
[19:38] <hehehe> :)
[20:44] <Machine_Ex98> tomreyn fixed
[20:44] <Machine_Ex98> by %
[20:45] <Machine_Ex98> good luck