[05:57] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Thanks for the help! New package based on the process you gave me: https://launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/+archive/ubuntu/ppa1 (deleted the old PPA to keep version numbers from crying).
[05:57]  * Eickmeyer goes to bed
[15:30] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: there's a single issue with this, please push the upstream branch as well, otherwise I can't use the tree ;)
[16:31] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Ah, okay.
[16:33] <cyphermox> best is to push everything, so 'git push -u origin upstream ; git push -u origin --tags' or something like that
[16:33] <cyphermox> the tags are important too for proper operation of gbp -- otherwise I will likely not be able to build the pacakge here
[16:35] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Done
[16:35] <Eickmeyer> I'll start a new build
[16:36] <cyphermox> shouldn't need a new build?
[16:36] <cyphermox> do you have changes needed?
[16:37] <Eickmeyer> Nope. Oh, shoot. Build is now pending. *facepalm*
[16:37] <Eickmeyer> It'll just rebuild what's already there.
[16:38] <Eickmeyer> Looks like the build failed anyhow.
[16:39] <Eickmeyer> Something is wrong with my PPA: "No_PUBKEY"
[16:40] <Eickmeyer> I might have to make a new PPA and build it there.
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: New PPA, same as the old: https://launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> Deleting the "/ppa1" since it has signing problems.
[17:20] <cyphermox> ok..
[17:20] <cyphermox> I wouldn't be worried about whether the PPA stuff works or not, I can't take the packages from there
[17:21] <cyphermox> I need to use what's in the git tree, and rebuild here at least the source package (but I'll rebuild all of it), to make sure it's all good
[17:22] <Eickmeyer> Okay, in that case, it's ready.
[17:25] <cyphermox> cool
[17:33] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#packages-which-break-other-packages-breaks
[17:34] <cyphermox> are you sure that it should be "Replaces: calf-ladspa" in debian/control?
[17:35] <cyphermox> section 7.4 further explains the difference between Breaks/Conflicts and replaces
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> Per https://github.com/calf-studio-gear/calf/issues/181 calf-ladspa is broken and is no longer supported. If you want, I could change it to Breaks.
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: ^
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> But, gotta go run time-sensitive errands.
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> Should probably be "Conflicts".


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 weeee
 you've been waiting. … you've been begging for it. … So, like florian and the supergroups... i had to deliver it.
 #utamore … Where's my Ubuntu Touch?   … https://soundcloud.com/ubports/wheres-my-ubuntu-touch
 (Sticker, 512x453) https://irc.ubports.com/j2dneCv9/file_1677
 @wayneoutthere, Praise Florian!!
 @SergioSRM, to celebrate the debut of supergroups on uT? sure! Why not
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/8yPN9iyR/file_1679.jpg
 forgot muh password
 also.. why is everything working???
 telegram desktop, steam, browsers
 Guys... You are doing an amazing job with Ubuntu Touch... Seriously, I feel like Canonical was working soooo slow in 4 years developing UT
 well, the reason is... because... of code
 i know, i know.  you were hoping for a magic answer
 but, that's the trutyh
 It was really coming together before the drop.
 great work everyone
 @UniversalSuperBox, A conspiracy theorist might link the two 😎
 Yay !!! \o/
[00:19]  * lazyPower gasps There's an IRC CHANNEL?!
[00:20] <lazyPower> Man i'm so in on this business over the telegram group. <3 you all but its too much in TG
 It shows zero members @Flohack you prob know this
 @UniversalSuperBox, yep, and OMG telegram desktop runs native
 no Xmir
 and it's 1000 times more fluid than on unity7
 OMG!!!!!!
 This feels good for sure
 yeah
 @wayneoutthere, Yes its in the bug list ^^
 (Photo, 1680x1050) https://irc.ubports.com/Z20oef0N/file_1681.jpg
 even freaking ubuntu sdk works
 😆
 Is that game called iiiIIIiiiIIIII?
 yes
 :))
 it's a bug
 I prefer to think that you're imitating a sound wave.
 does look wavy
 @SergioSRM, it is full visual RAD, basically Delphi, and I say it again: most of the time i use ssh with x forwarding to open lazarus ide off the phone onto my laptop screen. On the phone otswlf either as a POC or when i dont hv desktop/laptop access. With bt keyboard/mouse even on the phone screen it is very fast to work with!
 I just needed to check battery level on my phone from the command line, at first I thought it'd be: … $ upower -i $(upower -e | grep 'BAT') | grep -E "state|to\ full|percentage" … but it didn't work, so I checked upower -e: … /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_ac … /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_battery … /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_usb … /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/DisplayDevice … So naturally I
[03:16] <tgBot> command: … $ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_battery | grep -E "state|to\ full|percentage" … But I wonder why is it so that the path on UT is not uniform with that on Ubuntu on desktop, like "/org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0"
[04:45] <marthurlong> device/asus/mofd-common/bspcapability/Android.mk:12: build/core/java_library.mk: No such file or directory
 Anyone knows flashing UBports on Aquarius M10 FHD takes how long in fastboot stage? … I watch a 30min video and it still stucks at fastboot with the last message `USB Transmission OK  Time: 401ms Vel:29238KB/s`
 I'm following the "Install using MDT" section on the "Supported Devices" page
[05:09] <marthurlong> bionic/libc/include/string.h:61:7: error: conflicting types for 'strchrnul'
[05:09] <marthurlong> external/busybox/include/platform.h:501:14: note: previous declaration of 'strchrnul' was here
[05:10] <marthurlong> it didn't build.
 @Stereofont @UniversalSuperBox thanks for your help I've installed it now, I ended up getting it installed using MDT
 @Wildnislehrer, Nexus 5 video recording works with following workaround. Open camera > switch camcorder > change from rear camera to front camera and back to rear camera > record video. If you want to view recorded videos install UTmedia from openstore.
 Hey I turned my flashlight on on my fairphone for a couple of minutes to find some stuff and then turned it off and now it wont turn back on nor will flash work I've tried turning it off and on again
 Have you tried reboot
 Anyone tried this yet https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases/tag/v2.5.0
 @Vdragon, I found the problem, if running `ubuntu-device-flash` as root as the instruction, the call will be prematurely abort with `mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied`
 Anyone used ubports installer on windows? How much time it takes flash 16.04/Dev channel? With erase option?
 Flashing to Nexus 5
 Is it a documentation bug?
 As far as I know the flashing process is pretty much non-superuser job excluding the devnode permission and udev configuration
 @Vijay, Is Windows supported at the first place?
 Yes... They is ubports installer for windows
 Oh https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer
 I cannot see any activity on task manager.. it's been 15 mins it stated it recognises the device and displays installing Ubuntu touch on your device
 It shouldn't be more than 30 min.
 On an average How much time does ubports installer takes to install ut on Nexus 5?
 Hey, could be that it burned out. Unfortunately the use of a flashlight in continuous mode should not last too long, it builds a lot of heat
 Is there any 3rd party effort to run desktop stack on Ubuntu touch devices just like Canonical did to the original Nexus 7(2012, tilapia)?
 Still it's on fastboot mode.. no recovery.. I will wait for few more mins
[07:41] <tgBot> Hajrul89 was added by: Hajrul89
 @Hajrul89, Welcome
 @Vijay, Thanks
 @Vdragon, It is a cache problem I think. If you continue with MDT there is  a fix but I suggest you switch to the appimage method
 @samitormanen, That is quite funny but a nice trick!
 @Vdragon, https://forums.ubports.com/topic/263/can-t-get-the-m10-fhd-to-take-the-flash
 @Hajrul89, Hello Hajrul and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Vijay, I would advise you also to look at the appimage option for install
 http://ci.ubports.com/job/ubports/job/ubports-installer/job/mariogrip-dev/7/artifact/dist/ubports-installer-0.1.8-beta-x86_64.AppImage
 https://discourse.appimage.org/t/how-to-make-an-appimage-executable/80
 @vdragon I have put the guide to the cache problem above
 @Stereofont, Thanks!
 @Vdragon, Ubports installer worked only if run as root
 @Flohack testing v2.5,  channels are present but not their content. (Sry If already mentioned). Very good work overall ;)
 @LarreaMikel, No content? You mean channels, not supergroups=
 Yep, want a screenshot?
 well I did nothing for channels, so probably does not work yes ^^
 but send me
 Just to let you know.
 @Vdragon, Please let us know about any progress or issues
 Still its cool to write to supergroup from device now
 +1
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/EqKD0FHW/file_1683.jpg
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/rvpIOoTp/file_1684
 M.A.R.S. shooter snap
 @popescu_sorin, One happy Bunny 😎
 @Flohack Morning boss. So there is an update for Telegram out finally? I am looking for it but cant see it in openstore
 woa, notifications o_O can you please write something?
 @malditobastardo, Its beta, you can only get it on github, and need to install manually. Since we have a few problems still
 someone please write something (test)
 test
 @popescu_sorin Hi!
 hello
 @samitormanen, Yes it works ^^
 @Flohack, I understand. Thank you sir. I wasnt aware of this. I will build it myself. You rocks! :)
 @malditobastardo, No just download here: https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases/tag/v2.5.0
 We have a click ready
 thanks :D
 sometime i see notifications on unity8
 @Flohack Oh yes! Thank you maestro! +1
 youre welcome ^^
 from telegram
 @wayneoutthere, THAT IS AWESOME!
 Florian, I love you too ❤
 @popescu_sorin, I tried Mir yesterday on 16.04.3 with Yunit and it broke my system :(
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/wl8xDfuH/file_1686.jpg
 😺😸
 17.04 is the way to go then!
 unless we port unity8 on 18.04 :))
 we get qt 5.9 for free
 and the latest mir
 Supergroups!!
 Smooth :)
 @popescu_sorin, Does that mean a new distro so that everything is there in one package?
 @malditobastardo, I just realized that you can wswap SuperGroups to be GrouperSoups. I'm very happy. I like soup.
[10:16] <tgBot> Lintux was added by: Lintux
 Hello Alexander and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 I am noticing that I will be receiving notification every minute now haha
 @Stereofont, we just need a PPA to add on 18.04 i think... we don't need a distro
 You should be able to limit notifications in settings. Don't start complaining 😎
 @Stereofont, 😿😿😹
 @KrisJacewicz, @KrisJacewicz maybe they are not consistent because UT  is based in  Android. I found that:
 $ cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent
 Show battery info in my SailFish devices & my BQ M10
 @Flohack, That's annoying. I had a look just now and there does seem to be bubbles on the LED. I have used the flashlight for similar amounts of time on my other phones with no issue, maybe there should be a warning or an automatic cutoff after a minute?
 @Greg, Its not so easy, as this is controlled by the Android part I think. Flashlight is a bit hackish, maybe we need to disable the whole function again
 I think it's valuable to have maybe just warning text when it's on saying "this can break your flash if you leave it on" and it would have never happened, I was just testing it out
 Thankfully it's a fairphone and the camera was the old one so I can pick up the new one when that's working
 Yeah sry for that, we need to think about it. On Android the power seems to be reduced, then you can leave it on for longer
 i usually have the flash on for more than 15 minutes at the time
 on fp2
 since i use the flash to record
 @popescu_sorin, really? wow
 yeah
 and it's fine
 for now at least :D
 Take care ^^
 same on mx4
 Yeah I'd be careful with that mine was only on for 7 mins max I'd say probably less
 @popescu_sorin, deepin ❤
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/oUyPxSW6/file_1688.jpg
 yeah unity8 looks quite nice
 👌🏼
 @popescu_sorin, very very nice. I hoppe I can return to unity in 18.04
 @amrhelmy2004, Which is really unnecessary IMI
 @popescu_sorin, That is great
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/6fNvXMAI/file_1690.jpg
 Like that
 @popescu_sorin, +1000
 @hwpplayer1, wow thats full
 @malditobastardo, Mir is just a bystander. The problem with that is Yunit using a different Qt version to the rest of your system. That can break everything that uses Qt.
 @hwpplayer1, nope
 hey @Flohack i installed Telegram 2.5 five minutes ago. It's a great job. I also can see channels and its messages. One thousand thanks
 np but channels are still broken probably ?
 not for me
 what kind of messages do you see? Interesting @LarreaMikel cant see them
 we need to compare
 Channel? Or supergroup?
 @alan_griffiths, Yeah I dont know what happened, maybe my Mesa drivers got updated I dont know I am just having the "the system is running in low graphics mode"
 anyways this is just a test machine so I dont care tbh
 That's what test machines are for. ;)
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/jWV9HRrz/file_1692.jpg
 This is a chanel,
 Maybe mikel recieve a gif?
 @j2g2rp, Native Telegram new??
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/JKPGciWQ/file_1694.jpg
 Same chanel first message it is a gif
 Yes. See
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/UVE6AfEm/file_1696.jpg
 Recieving notifications for answers when you have supergroup without notifications (as espected)
 Ou yeah!
 Where I can dowload??
 Absolutly great job @Flohack and rest team!! :)
 It is a beta posted from Flohack on github
 Fwd from Jorge: Bueno voy a por cris
[11:23] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> No just download here: https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases/tag/v2.5.0
 weird that message was from another group 😂
 @Milan Korecky, I tried to resend that message from above, but... well telegram choosed other message 😂
[11:25] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @j2g2rp, I have done the same
 @Milan Korecky, with the phone?
[11:26] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Yes
 lol 😂
[11:26] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> But not UT
 We're on the same channels, @j2g2rp 😄. I also got the one from https://t.me/eldiarioes
 @F_P_S, usually it's good to read not main streeam news
 @Milan Korecky, mine was with ut V2.5
[11:28] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> We have one small group: UBFR
 @j2g2rp, Indeed.
 @j2g2rp, those are the spected bugs aren't they @Flohack ?
 Regarding Telegram app 2.5.0: When I flashed UbPorts last week I lost my notifications: How can I get them back?
[11:30] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Read on github page
 @F_P_S, maybe the problem it's with push notifications service, not with the last version of telegram. … If I'm correct, one thing that usually works is: … 1. close telegram. … 2. delete UbuntuOne account from phone. … 3. Create again UbuntuOne account in phone. … 4. Open Telegram
 @j2g2rp that was what I was talking about before on notification being disabled
 Didn't work. Will try to investigate further later....
 @malditobastardo, I don't know what you mean. … I'm just recieving notifications when someone quotes me or someone tags me. This is the espected isn't it? I mean this is how it works on desktop version
 ah no
 @F_P_S, some times as it leave, it return, without any explanation
 @j2g2rp Recieving notifications for answers when you have supergroup without notifications (as espected)
 Everything is good
 @j2g2rp, Also might be necessary to log out from telegram on the device. I got 4 phones here, and on N5 I cant get it to work no matter what
 Voice messages working good. For me this is a great release. Very usable. Happy :)
 @bastos777, hi Sebastian, install worked with RC like a charm. super smooth... exept camera of course.😄 thanks again for your help. I understand that camera is expected to work with OTA 3  on 11 November. is that true and if so will it be a Stable,  RC, Devel install again or is it just the internal update function of the phone. Greetings Jens
 @j2g2rp, Yes and no, if in doubt plz report. Sending/Reply/Forward can be a bit buggy still
 Perfect. I'll report it on github. Would you need any aditional info?
 Just write beta in header ;)
 @F_P_S, that perhaps is the reason
 you know guys what wuold be an interesting approach to telegram app on UT?
 if there were 2 versions available, the regular mobile app, and also a 2nd version, which is ARM compiled version of Telegram desktop
 the reason is this: telegram desktop can be installed on more than 1 devices
 and moile app only on one
 at least with my android phone it was like that, when I wanted to use telegram on my 2 android phones I could not do it simultaneously
 but i could use any number of clients on desktop
 pne scenario is when your main phone is Android and your secondary is UT, you'd like to hv same telegram on both
 same account
[12:47] <tgBot> jonny was added by: jonny
 @jonny, Hello @jonny and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 UBports welcoming team oh my goodness
 I missed when it was created
 Kapow!
 is it really a thing? 🙈
 Complete with Ninja training... are you interested?
 I am a developer, I have enough things to do already
 sorry
 Hello everybody
 (Sticker, 510x512) https://irc.ubports.com/6gsOHFEf/file_1697
 Go ahead @vanyasem, say Hi.  I dare you 😝
 @jonny, Hello! and welcome! :)
 😁
 First Responders team is much more than that.  The group is working on other projects behind the scenes and is always looking for more dedicated people to help.  If anyone wants to give back to UT get in contact with one of us.  Thanks!
 @KrisJacewicz, you can install UT Telegram on any number of devices ^^
 I am using now 3 here
 @Flohack, in that case sorry for confusing you guys. I really once wanted to install telegram on my 2nd android phone and when I did, the one on the 1st phone loged out
 perhaps the behavior is different now
 @KrisJacewicz, Yeah telegram for desktop can probably be compiled, but it has a hell lot of dependencies, and it would need integration of notification, content hub for sharing and network indicator etc. anyone who wants to dare can start to do it of course ;)
 btw is there official source from Telegram, or do you guys write the clients yourself using public APIs ?
 @Milan Korecky, Thanks!
 @KrisJacewicz, No this is a fork of Cutegram, which was written from scratch
 @Flohack, i see, because I just was going to see the github linked on the official telegram page
 @KrisJacewicz, Which is here: https://github.com/Aseman-Land/Cutegram
 and this again is a fork of Sigram wtf ^^
 wow
 😄
 @Flohack  excelent work with Telegram beta! 👏👏👏👏👏👏
 merci de rien ^^
 @KrisJacewicz, https://launchpad.net/telegram-desktop
 this is on lp
 i see they haz arm64 builds
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telegram-desktop
 @popescu_sorin, thanks!
 @alan_griffiths first mir issue :D https://github.com/MirServer/miral/issues/1
 Here what I see.
 @j2g2rp
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/KDolR1MK/file_1699.jpg
 Yes?
 Oups just the tag was loaded 😂
 What could be the difference between them? I'm also in other channel and also is fine 🤔
 (Photo, 762x963) https://irc.ubports.com/E5GAEjLz/file_1701.jpg what kind of interactive message is it? … could be that the problem?
 parcel service was here
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/86r7KVxJ/file_1703.jpg
 "This will take under 5 minutes", hmm, not so sure about that from my Android flashing experience, first boot tends to be slow
 Ask  … Any equalizer for utoch 15.04 ?
 @KrisJacewicz, Do you think its possible to install native desktop telegram in UT? I mean, thats the idea right?
 @malditobastardo, well, if you did, it would probably not be very phone friendly, because it was not designed for the touch and for the form factor. Howevr, should be possible nonenthless.
 Yeah of course I understand
 I was mainly worrying that the mobile telegram app woudl only allow 1 instance to be logged in at a time
 @KrisJacewicz, Actually, it seems to resize to something like that pretty well
 @Wildnislehrer, YAY!
 @Lorxu, xmir does not report correct dpi, so the telegram ran via xmir would render very tiny
 tiny fonts, tiny controls
 unless of course you change the source code to scale everything up
 that is how I do when I write gtk apps for UT, I detect that it is xmir running the app, and scale everything
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/giedqmxt/file_1705.jpg
 when I detect that the app is ran within xmir, I can then at runtime fetch the correct dpi via mirout, and compare with the reported by the xmir, and I can have the difference ratio and scale up everything by that ratio
 telegram desktop is actually designed quite responsive
 @popescu_sorin, perhaps we should try, I just assumed that it'd compile as gtk app
 would that be possible that it compiled with native qt??
 also on your screenshot that is desktop screen with normal dpi, I guess that is not a highdpi monitor right?
 so the wrong dpi is not a problem
 unless off course somebody fixes xmir to report dpi correctly
 90dpi screen
 @Wildnislehrer, \o/
 on 17,04/unity8 desktop telegram desktop runs native (no Xmir)
 90-96 is standard
 @popescu_sorin, it runs directly via mir?
 it uses qt?
 if it does then the dpi problem should not exist, qt should scale up automatically
 @Wildnislehrer, He dosn't find my Wifi-Network. ☹
 who is maintaining terminal app?
 question2: will UT have gksudo ?
 @Wildnislehrer, Mine picks up both 2.4 and 5 Ghz ... thats strange.  Maybe try a reboot, sometimes mine freaks out when I switch hotspot on/off.
 i'll try
 @KrisJacewicz, yes..i think..
 I just did $sudo apt-get install gksu, but that gives me non-native mir gksudo
 I guess I can use it with xmir
 but it'd be better if it was a mobile phone friendly native mir gksudo
 so yes, the gksudo works under xmir
 still, would liek to hv a mor version, could be even named something else
 @KrisJacewicz sorry to change matter for a second. But I followed your previous chats here and also on your blog about porting desktop apps and I find it very interesting. I installed Libertine and several desktop apps which are working like a charm like LibreOffice, Evince, Inkscape (only Lazarus threw an error btw). I would like to ask you the following: 1) Why do u think installing an app without confinement should be more convenient than installing
[14:51] <tgBot> container like Libertine? 2) You mentioned about using the x-forwarding from phone to desktop: how does it work? 3) Does x-forwarding work with Windows 7/8/10 desktop? Thank you.
 tested telegram beta, works fine with supergroups, thx @Flohack, great work!
 welcome ^^
 1) no overhead, and also no dedicated scope, because your launcher is together with other native mir apps. Also if you upgrade UT to next version, maybe the libertine container with the Ubuntu version matching previous UT version can cause some problems.
 2) you need to add your desktop's public key to your UT device, then just connect with -X or -Y switch (I use -Y), so for example (from desktop): … $ ssh -Y<EMAIL_ADDRESS>… and that's it. Well, except that UT does not provide xauth utility (why not???) so you need to install it first: … $ sudo mount -o remount,rw / … $ sudo apt-get install xauth … $ sudo mount -o remount,ro / … then upon 1st ssh with x forwarding session, xauth
[14:58] <tgBot> warning message but it will actually initialize basic configuration in the ~/.Xauthority file. Without that file the x forwarding won't work.  … YES it will also work from WIndows, you can use PuTTY along with some 3rdparty X server that works with it.
 3) YES it will also work from WIndows, you can use PuTTY along with some 3rdparty X server that works with it.
 Ad.1) although I don't like Libertine's overhead, but there is more to it. Confined apps cannot access your host environment, So what if you want the app to perform operation on your actual system? it won't work from within the container.
 @KrisJacewicz, This for me... the libertine's overhead took up most of my M10's space.
 example is baobab, the disk usage utility. If you install it in libertine it will not scan your actual fs, only the one inside container
 Thank you Kris for the prompt answer, I really appreciate 😁 I will give a go then, following your instructions
 @KrisJacewicz, +1  and the KDEconnect ideas.  We should really look into developing this further.
 but it needs to be Grandmother usable.  ssh will never work for mainstream.
 but there is a price to pay, most Linux apps have nasty habit of shitting files all over the filesystem, and in UT that is both read-only by default, and limited in free space. The way I go about it (unless my own app, then I keep ALL the files within app's folder, like on Windows): … 1. launcher starts bash script that updates PATH variable, so that instead of putting stuf to /usr/bin I put it to my apps folder's subdirectory called bin or sth
[15:04] <tgBot> … 2. I update LD_LIBRARY_PATH env variable, so that I can cheat where .so are placed. Some apps are smarter, and they will accept .so in the same folder as the app itself. My own apps I always write them this way. … 3. sometimes an app has hardcoded path to a location outside of the home directory of the user. Then I still put everything in the subfolder under apps directory under my home, and finally with sudo I create symlinks only, which will not waste m
[15:04] <tgBot> I also need to remount to rw every time
 @KrisJacewicz, LOL,  this is the second time... we should copy paste from last week :P
 In fact, I did...its in one of our documents.
 @Crash_Burn, if you work from Linux desktop/laptop, then it is grandmother usable already. You can even create desktop launcher for an app to be called from a remote host over ssh. … On windows, you should be able to create bash script for a double-click icon if you are using something like cygwin, otherwise I don't know how much PuTTy can be configured, perhaps it allows for presaved commands attached to the hostname.
 I can tell you that for us, everyday Linux users, the x forwarding is a killer app in fact, and i don't understand how this scenario got almost no attention.  Within LAN the speed is super smooth, except if you play some multimedia maybe.
 I am currently as a challenge writing a game for UT, and I do it ENTIRELY using development tools from my UT phone, but most of the time I use X forwarding
 look, this is my desktop at this moment:
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/0vtcFNd7/file_1707.jpg
 in the background is Lazarus IDE running off my phone
 but onto my laptop screen over ssh with x forwarding
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/MbxVVoZv/file_1709.jpg full visual software development
 off the UT device
 same way I can use any other app from my phone
 including nautilus
 impressive!
 I just wanted to show you nautilus running off my phone, but currently not installed, so will show you baobab instead, here is me connecting to the phone, and runninc the command:
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/lOuuoGhq/file_1711.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/gU38Ajtn/file_1713.jpg and here is baobab running off my phone onto my laptop:
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/8zqqN0t8/file_1715.jpg
 my software and related config travels with me in my pocket
 if in commute I can use it on the phone itself even if due to high dpi the windows/fonts/controls are super tiny, but at least I can. And whenever I have access to desktip/laptop, I just use it and run my apps off my phone
 so on the desktop that I use I don't even need to install anything, everything already in my phone, just use it
 @KrisJacewicz, This has such great potential for Convergence.  It might be a little tricky remembering if the app is on your desktop or UT device... but I think it would be a great feature.
 @Crash_Burn, convergence is a bit different, they want you to actually be able to connect external monitor to your phone by wire or wirelessly, and then your phone would recognize it just like your PC can recognize 2nd monitor, extend the desktop onto it, and within that added desktop allow you to use apps in windowed mode instead of staged mode
 you already can get the feel by switching to windowed mode on your phone without external monitor
 every app becomes a window that you can move around, resize, and also the dash bar becomes usefull all of sudden
 that same thing would happen on the added monitor by default
 here my post about landscape windowed mode on the phone, but essentially that is what convergence does, jsut that on the added external monitor: … http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/11/ubuntu-phone-windowed-landscape-mode.html
 @Crash_Burn, +1
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/wj1StY0U/file_1717.jpg this is your UT phone when you switch to windowed mode
 (Photo, 1280x768) https://irc.ubports.com/tzFg7W1T/file_1719.jpg fully maneuvreable windows, every app
 so you can feel convergence without external monitor
 I quite like it
 these above are screens from the phone, not from desktop
 so you see, convergence is a buzz word, while x forwarding over ssh has been arounds for years, like seriously it is an ancient technolgoy, and while everyone gets excited about all the buzz words, some pure legacy technology makes the UT devices AMAZINGLY practical for various workflows
 I am personally super interested in exploiting these workflows
 if Canonical focused on them, UT could have exploded among MIS tech people and Linux fans
 while waiting for content and tools to arrive into the new platform, all the good stuff that already exists can be worked with by just carrying a small phone around in your pocket
 to me that was the real deal, and Canonical while saying that they aim fanboys and hackers in the first stage, did not even include terminall app by default - what sort of Linux is that?
 @KrisJacewicz, could you write down how to do that .. as a cookbook in a more persitent way ... ubports wiki or so ?
 @KrisJacewicz, alright, let's set the records straight: … We have graduated from Canonical. … We have broken free. … We are now about to reach new levels, new bounds. … It's time to view ourselves correctly as the liberated version of what was started.   … It's time, people to... … Open your wings! … Let the wind lift you to new levels!! … Believe, people!   … Put your Canonical in the pages of history!
 @delijati, I want to do that, but all takes time. For now I already publish on my blog. But I will gradually invest more and more time into this now that UT is continued by UBports
 and... MOTIVATE YOUR CODE, PEOPLE!
 (and nice work, Kris, buddy)
 @wayneoutthere, just want to add that I don't necessarily bitch aboyut Canonical, I respect their decissions, but I think with all the great people there who had amazing far reaching visions, they apparently didn't see some closer laying amazing stuff, some amazing use scenarios and workflows
 didn't say you bitched, but you are much better than what I saw happening
 so you motivated me to preach to you
 Do it, Kris!
 ok my daughters said 'no computers on saturdays, dad" so.. yeah... talk later!
 the best outcome I could imagine from being in this group is to inspire people and feel like what I'm doing can actually turn into some sort of bigger contribution. When you do things for other reasons than to win the bread, you really have some ambitions to inspire others to join your work. Currently I feel like I'm some sore of excentric lone wolf, but Rome wasn't built in a day, we will see how it all goes.
 @wayneoutthere, +1
 @KrisJacewicz, my big respect man, thank you for all of your hard work
 I think most of all, there are some really very tiny parts that UT is missing by default, that would not add any significant overhead (only #3 is a bit bigger but still not significantly), but would make plenty of interesting workflows work out of the box: … 1. xauth - for x forwarding … 2. maliit-inputcontext-gtk3 and maliit-inputcontext-gtk2 - so the OSK works with xmir … 3. gcc build-essential - so software development could be made on t
[15:43] <tgBot> itself. Not only for gcc coders, plenty of things are shared, like linkers, debuggers, etc. … 4. LUKS support - so you could use LUKS encrypted usb pendrives etc
 next week I will have interview with Purism about new Librem phone, I hope I could get them interested in some use scenarios and worflows too, because for me essentially these are not any particular distribution-specific
 I just see that before someone figures out all that convergence that was supposed to happen, someone should recognize linux phone as a powerful ultra portable linux machine, without reinventing the wheel
 I mean, I had apache running off my Meizu MX4 with php, mysql and bin-cgi
 you could host your own SVN repos on the phone and sync projects between work and home
 you could use your phone as NAS
 easily
 note that you can turn on hotspot and running webservicess makes so much sense
 @Flohack, Yes i like that way
 Finally succeeded flashing 16.04 on Nexus 5. 😅😅😅
 👍👍
 @KrisJacewicz, Oh its working, you are inspiring people for sure.  I'm thinking an app, such as uAdBlock, could be used to install the necessary pieces (xauth).  Since you are already using it without too much hacking, it seems like the foundations can be app-ized.  Does that sound about right?  Can we launch a test app without too much fuss?  I would LOVE to see where this goes.
 @Crash_Burn, any mean that creates the outcome is good. In the meanwhile I revived a project from before Canonical abandonned UT, the project is called Open Software Hub and it is alternative to app stores, will work for Linux (also UT) Windoes and Mac, and will allow for packaging apps in such a way that no sudo is required for user to install and apps will be fully installed into users home directory tree. I will definitely include option in th
[16:12] <tgBot> OSH to install some missing packages. But after upgrading system image it would have to be redone so I wish these few small packages could be added to the default system.image instead.
 My first message from n5 with ubports.
 @Wildnislehrer, Terrific
 also separately from the work for this community I also am popularizing UT among Lazarus IDE community. It is amazing that you write an app, in a visual environment, and you can compile natively without change to plethora of OSes. And it runs natively on arm linux so all the single board computers as well as UT devices. no cross-compiling, just rapid application development. I am writing a library that automates lots of things for UT, and will al
[16:16] <tgBot> releasing visual components dedicated for responsive UI so it adapts to form factors etc.
 I mean with supergroups...
 @Flohack, Not as terrific as your work on telegram :D
 @PhoenixLandPirate, ha thx too kind
 Hi @KrisJacewicz, you wrote about running GTK Apps without libertine. Do you have scripts for this which you could send me?
 Asking because of wireshark, which uses GTK. Do you still need xmir?
 @Dominik, i have blog post, check kriscode.blogspot.com, it is not mobile friendly better to browse on desktop
 @Dominik, yes you need xmir for gtk apps, at least currently
 Cool, thank you
 (Voice, 25s)https://irc.ubports.com/wEXFzeJc/file_1720
 if you use x forwarding over ssh then xmir is not used. If you start app on the phone itself then xmir will be used.
 (Photo, 737x439) https://irc.ubports.com/0OCX82DB/file_1722.jpg I just downloaded wireshark deb package on UT phone, and it's only 600+ KB in size
 maybe it is a meta package, didn't check yet, but if it is not too big in side you could try to install it on the phone
 This is not about the GUI not working well with libertine, but the paket capture. I have configured the phablet user to be allowed for non-root packet capture. Works fine from the terminal app with tcpdump. But within libertine, access is denied.
 @Dominik, YES - exactly I was writing about this earlier, you are hermetically enclosed in a container, so you cannot use host's environment
 I will try what you wrote on your blog and see what happens 😄
 (Photo, 737x439) https://irc.ubports.com/1IjGd0Js/file_1724.jpg turns out the entire installation would add 50MB+ to the disk
 I just happen to hv enough space so I can try it then remove
 installing now
 @KrisJacewicz, Yeah... the partitions on the aquaris 4.5 are quite small. I already reflashed several times because of 0% space left
 @Dominik, I worked around this problem, I have moved (cp -a) some directories to userspace, and created symlink
 things liek /usr/share etc
 rather some subfolders under /usr/share
 so I have lot of room now
 bit 50MB is still a bit, i will test it then remove
 Cool :D
 but you could repackage wireshark in a way that it would not store files outside of your home directory
 anyways I am installing it right now
 What is more practical, symlinks or bind mounts?
 (Photo, 737x439) https://irc.ubports.com/rJ8Yldow/file_1726.jpg
 on the Meizu MX4 phone, but over ssh
 I allowed non-superusers to capture packets
 for testing
 After this you need to add phablet to wireshark and reboot / logout+login
 https://osqa-ask.wireshark.org/questions/7976/wireshark-setup-linux-for-nonroot-user
 BTW that is what I want people to use UT phones, rather than waiting for apps to arrive, let them walk around hacking other peoples' WIFI
 *your own wifi ;)
 (Photo, 1280x722) https://irc.ubports.com/Ab5HqvT8/file_1728.jpg running it...
 (Photo, 752x579) https://irc.ubports.com/DbRIHTOo/file_1730.jpg i kid you not it runs off the phone!
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/dwIR8040/file_1732.jpg over ssh with x forwarding
 pretty nice
 I will show you on video so you can believe :D
 @KrisJacewicz nice website...thanks for the hard work. Will check out in more detail when I'm back in office.
 try capturing from wlan0
 I see what you mean, some bits just need to be in image.
 as root or phablet, doesn't matter atm
 sorry but I don't remember how to use it, last time used it years ago in college
 I will also try to run it directly onto the phone's screen
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Ts9JW0h1/file_1734.mp4
 sudo wireshark, then there is a list of interfaces, double click on wlan0 and see if there is a growing list of entries in the main view
 Guys does anyone have a udev rules file for me that will detect the fairphone 😆
 sudo wireshark. 😂
 @KrisJacewicz, You see on the left is a message that access to dumpcap was denied. With appropriate rights, there is a list of interfaces
 @Crash_Burn, Just to see if one gets the sandwich or not
 Hey I have an SD card formatted in exfat, I was going to just apt install the exfat utils but I read in the group using apt isn't recommended what would be the best way to get it working?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/PO5E8TuL/file_1736.mp4
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/xX5jMfMO/file_1737.jpg
 @Dominik, (that's in libertine)
 ok well I will show you without libertine
 was just recording
 @KrisJacewicz, It looks quite simple to add xmir. I thought you would need to use a script to start xmir before opening the application
 .. what happens after selecting "wlan0" from the list and clicking on "Start"
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/n90rxMJe/file_1738.jpg
 sometimes you do want to do that
 I just used the most minimal flags
 i edited the launcher with geany also installed on the phone
 when I added xmir flags I did it on laptof over ssh
 but then I editted again on the phone with geany in the phone's screen
 :D
 I recorded a video but the file is large
 while it's uploading I will try to upload to youtube
 WOW. When installing wireshark on the phone, the installer shows a console dialog. The button therein are selectable by touch input. I can use touch input in text-based console applications. This OS is amazing.
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/aGVAsKA9/file_1739.jpg
 @Dominik, IKR !!!
 Woh
 Dominik where r u from
 Germany
 your name spells like Polish
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/Zvcjwaq6/file_1741.jpg on the right is my MX4 running wireshark, I am rotating video, cuz recorded upside down
 @KrisJacewicz, Yes, it's quite shiny
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/Uxe8SlGt/file_1743.jpg
 on your libertine scenario the scaling worked better, I am sure it can be fixed on xmir as well, someone has to make a patch to report correct dpi
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/OKitqIEN/file_1745.jpg the launcher is directly in the app scope, not the libertine apps
 i don't hv libertine installed at all anyways
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/5b0LaawW/file_1747.jpg also, I had to add gksudo in the begining of the Exec=gksudo wireshark %F ...
 I am following your steps atm
 without gksudo it was not starting, well, black screen and end
 so last screen you see gksudo running
 UT does not have it isntalled you hv to apt-get install gksu
 @KrisJacewicz, Precisely my problem just now, thanks ^^
 off course there must be some way to make it work even without sudo but it would take time to work out
 to me this was just a quick POC to show you
 hopefully you can figure it out even more later on ;)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/SegubhMx/file_1748
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/KiCCsEZ6/file_1750.jpg the "gksudo" i added on the phone using geany on phone's screen :P
 Dominik, you just discovered first hand my point about how amazing UT phone is when using all the legacy Linux things :D
 you could take that 50MB+ wireshark and now move all the files to a folder under your home tree, make few symlinks, or just few environmental variables, and custom launcher with a start script, and off you go :D
 @KrisJacewicz, indeed 👍
 you just officially unleashed the power of Ubuntu on your phone now :D
 @Flohack is it right, that TG-Update delete supergroup-function? I maked update and no supergroups are visible.
 What kind of update?
 You installed beta from gh?
[17:32] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Reading carefully the update info in openstore you may not update, as is @Flohack  asking you now
 If you install beta openstore uninstalls it? Interesting ;)
 Or what?
[17:34] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> It is beta, when stable than we can update from OpenStore, am I right @Flohack ?
 Yes
 Part 1: https://youtu.be/54FuRXYZr1w
 Part 2 (Youtube is transcodding, so HD and FullHD should appear soon):  … https://youtu.be/q7Va7eFTwBk
 and good night everyone
 Good night
 @Flohack, Yes
 @Milan Korecky, Ah okay
[17:52] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Wildnislehrer do you need the git hub link again?
 Yeah for now we will have to avoid "updating" from the OpenStore
 @KrisJacewicz, Packet capture is working with wireshark for wlan0 on bq aquaris 4.5 as root.
 I have 2 questions: … Which app can handle pdf with password protection? … Can the file manager open network files with user+password protection?
 Hello, just switched from Canonical to UBports on a BQ Aquaris 4.5, before doing so created a .vcf file of my contacts, but it says import failed and only the first contact appears. Can anyone help me out?
[18:09] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @Ruben, Have you checked whether the cobtacts were exported correctly? (Via PC and looking at vcf with gedit or similar)
 yes I have they looked normal in gedit, same format as the one that does appear
[18:13] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> Could you try removing thw first contact and see whether the second (then "first") contact os importet?
 @Ruben, For me importing the contacts from my Iphone to UT with vcf was very straightforward
[18:13] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (Removing it from the vcf i mean)
 just in one click
 I need my bf (Ruben) to help me with that he should be back 50-60 min. I am only a normal user so I have no experience with the more advaced things. :)
[18:21] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @Ruben, Ok i'll probably have left by then but i am only a user too so maybe someone else will be able to help you later in a better way :) good luck! (I gues you have tried importing with the contacs app, you might also want to try via the terminal using rhe command "syncevolution --import /path/to/file/allcontacts.vcf backend=evolution-contacts database=Personal" and see what exactly is the error here)
 Ok, thank you so much I will ask him to try that option aswell, as we indeed used the contacts app to import for now.
[18:28] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> Ah and one last thing :-p it may be rhat depending on your language the database in that command may be named differently. To check this you can run "syncevolution --print-databases" and look for the entry 'Evolution Adress Book' in english the name will be Personal in german Persönlich, no clue for other languages xD
 ok thx for the tip!
 MAGA
[19:07] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Wildnislehrer, 1. I do not think there is such app 2. there is currently in development new file manager, available in OpenStore and it works beside the old one, you can have both, I remember if not yet it should be added in next update, for more info pls with @sverzegnassi about this feature
 Okay, thanks.
[19:10] <tgBot> Beloglazov Evgeniy was added by: Beloglazov Evgeniy
 @demokrit atomos, Thnx a lot, this command imported all the contacts!
 @Beloglazov Evgeniy, Hello Beloglazov and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 his name is Evgeniy @Stereofont
 you are wrong
 привет, Евгений! :)
 Quite right. I should have reacted more slowly 😎
 i was waiting for you to make that mistake to be honest
[19:17] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @vanyasem, But Ivan, you have little language advantage 😁, nevertheless thanks
 Haha
 @Milan Korecky, i'm not judging, that was a friendly joke :)
[19:17] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> As usual, Ivan and his small jokes
 He has Russian name convention advantage
[19:18] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> I like your jokes Ivan
[19:19] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @Ruben, Cool, could you file an issue on github for the contacts app also providing this solution? I'm on the road and don't know whether i'll remember tomorrow. .. ;-p
 @Wildnislehrer, 1) "Pdf Viewer" in OpenStore is able to open protected PDFs, IIRC. Note that it uses a testing version of the PDF engine I've been writing for the official DocViewer, so there might be some bug here and there. … 2) Currently not. In future, maybe - the old File Manager seems to have an authentication handler for this
[19:28] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @sverzegnassi, Thank you for help to answer
 I had some trouble installing UT on Fairphone 2 because of missing dependencies, that I have reported on the magic-device-tool project (https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool/issues/115#event-1326112711). They told me, they are dropping support for UBports and that I should use the UBPorts installer. Is there one? And could you link it in your FP2 site (https://devices.ubports.com/#/FP2)?
 @jonny, I suggest you use the appimage
 First, is a first generation or second generation screen?
 Things are moving quite fast so some links are a bit out of date
 The second generation screen does not work with the stable install so you will get a good install but no screen!
 @Stereofont, The first I guess, because it was one of the first 14000.
 I have installed it already and it is working well.
 On https://devices.ubports.com/#/FP2 the GPS is marked as not working. But it found my current position. Does anybody know whats the problem with GPS on FP2?
 My GPS works. Maybe old information? Great to hear that you got a successful install. Do you need more tips and tricks?
 Is there anyone responsible for the website that I could contact so that new users don't get discouraged?
 Tips and tricks are always appreciated 👍🏿
 @jonny, There is a team working on that. We need more confirmation that the Appimage is the way to go. It is a bit up in the air at the moment
 @Stereofont, ping @wayneoutthere
 If you want me to add something to the VirtualBox image with the SDK you can tell me. My idea is to update the image with some frequency (and reduce the GB it occupies 😃)
 @Stereofont, Ok. Until then it may be nice to mark GPS as working and to add a note, that the script only works on Ubuntu 16.04.
 There are 57 downloads of the virtual machine
 @jonny, We have had a few installs on 17.10 😃
 I installed it on 17.10, but as explained (https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool/issues/115), I had to  manually install some dependencies.
 @demokrit atomos, done ;)
 @mimecar, nice!
 For a 13GB file, it's pretty good.
 i'm thinking of doing something like https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/howto-how-to-run-graphics-accelerated-gui-apps-in-lxd-containers-on-your-ubuntu-desktop/94
 on kubuntu 17.10 but i'm 2 lazy
 install 16.04 in an lxd container, add the sdk ppa
 https://blog.simos.info/how-to-run-graphics-accelerated-gui-apps-in-lxd-containers-on-your-ubuntu-desktop/
 Can someone plz try to share a link or media with the new beta client?
 OK...
 @Flohack, does it work on 16.04?
 (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/6NCPqHjI/file_1752.jpg
 Now a classic url
 Cant seem to paste
 Paste doesn't work
 But works pasting elsewhere
 Thats beautiful!!
 Pasting worked for me not url but text
 https://m.youtube.com/
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/zyervCwJ/file_1754.jpg
 Some icons look a good amount more swish then Im used to, idk if its just me, or if youve done something @Flohack
 @popescu_sorin, no
 @PhoenixLandPirate, We also changed a few icons, yes
 I thought so :D
 https://ubports.com/blog/latest-news-1
 Sharing from web brwser share option
 @Flohack I am impacted with your work in Telegram 2.5 beta... is amazing... seems more polish, more lightness and more speed in all areas... is amazing! 1 huge THANKS! :D
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, We did not change so much but thx ^^
 Only want one thing... notifications XD
 Yeah but this is not an issue of Telegram. This is a system problem
 @Flohack, Well, you have cleaned code with judgment and head ... it is much faster, really.
 There is a whole team. Also, is it fresh installation?
 @Flohack, Reality??? System for the telegram part or someone ubuntu previously system??
 @Flohack, Not is a new installation, this have a 2 moths or more.
 The last reset, is for the same situation. When use the shared wifi a lot, before some days the net system stop working. The only fix that I find is a reset to deafult... is painfull siutation but, the only big issue for me, right now whit my bq e4.5 :)
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, This exists since Canonical dropped their work. Problems not clear but since April or so


[19:37] <canthus13> Cheri703:
[19:37] <canthus13> ..
[19:37] <canthus13> err.
[19:37] <canthus13> Cheri703: You around?
[20:34] <Cheri703> I am now
[20:35] <canthus13> My wife would like an invite for g+...  (Will change soon \o/ )
[20:43] <Unit193> But then I would have to sign up for the draft :(
[20:44] <canthus13> Unit193: the likelihood of a draft is ~0%.
[20:44] <canthus13> Unit193: Signing up for selective service is silly, but you're in no danger of being drafted.
[20:46] <Unit193> canthus13: I know, means I'll just have to give out more info to the creeps
[20:46] <canthus13> Unit193: Meh. it's nothing they don't already know.
[20:49] <Unit193> Looks like stl will be a big help! (I'm going to give up on packaging before I really start)
[20:50] <canthus13> Heh.
[20:51] <canthus13> I really need to tie up a bunch of stuff here so I can get back working on this thing... of course, it would also help if my basement weren't so freaking hot.
[20:52] <Unit193> Again, I would be glad to help if I can! (I'm sure you know this but also know I can't help... Yet)
[20:55] <canthus13> Unit193: You'll be plenty of help when it comes down to testing and breaking stuff.
[20:56] <Unit193> canthus13: I'm good at breaking stuff! Just take a look at a few bug repots :P  (I'm still not great at bug reporting, but I am good at avoiding it :D )
[20:56] <canthus13> Well, you'll get practice.


[03:42] <pieq> Hi there!
[03:42] <pieq> duflu: are you around?
[03:43] <pieq> duflu: when we test laptops/desktops using Checkbox <https://checkbox.readthedocs.io> we use xrandr to check things like automated screen rotation, resolution change, etc.
[03:44] <pieq> with 22.04 and the move to Wayland, we would like to find an equivalent to xrandr that works for Wayland.
[03:44] <pieq> On https://arewewaylandyet.com/ there are mentions of tools like kanshi, Wallutils, wdisplays, wlopm, wlr-randr, and my colleague also found gnome-randr-rust
[03:45] <pieq> Would you have any recommendation regarding a replacement for xrandr on Wayland?
[04:08] <duflu> pieq, there is no replacement for xrandr because there is no common server implementation of Wayland. You can however get some simpler information using weston-info
[04:09] <duflu> pieq, display mode controls are specific to mutter/gnome-shell and done over dbus I think
[04:13] <duflu> xrandr is specific to the Xorg implementation of X11. Similarly, any tool that works for gnome-shell with Wayland would be specific to Mutter
[04:13] <duflu> It's annoying I know, but that's the world we live in
[04:34] <duflu> weston-info might be enough. It does basic Wayland queries to interfaces 'wl_output' and 'zxdg_output_manager_v1'
[04:39] <pieq> duflu: thanks!!
[04:39] <pieq> I'll check this out
[07:02] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Friday!
[07:02] <didrocks> good morning oSoMoN, happy Friday to you too!
[07:08] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and didrocks
[07:08] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:15] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, hey duflu
[07:35] <jpnurmi> good morning oSoMoN didrocks duflu
[07:36] <didrocks> hey jpnurmi
[07:39] <oSoMoN> hey jpnurmi
[07:50] <jibel> Good morning all
[07:50] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:50] <jibel> Salut didrocks
[07:51] <duflu> Hi jpnurmi
[10:14] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extension-arc-menu tags 6d7070b Jonathan Carter upstream/49+forkv20 * https://deb.li/3Fvo2
[10:57] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[11:02] <jbicha> good morning
[11:06] <seb128> hey jibel
[11:06] <seb128> sorry jbicha :)
[11:07] <seb128> jibel, didrocks, do you remember if https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/tree/gui/gtk/stepPartCrypto.ui#n443 was done on purpose to workaround some gtk behaviour? it seems a weird tooltip to set '	', also probably shouldn't be marked as translatable?
[11:08] <jbicha> hey jibel 🤭 😊
[11:10] <jibel> Hi jbicha
[11:10] <jibel> seb128, it looks useless, likely something added by glade.
[11:11] <seb128> jibel, alright, thanks. I pointed out that to fix on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/414410 and Lukasz said he copied it from existing code so I was checking in case there was a reason it was done this way. I will submit a fix
[11:14] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128 & jibel and jbicha
[11:14] <duflu> Morning seb128 and jbicha
[11:15] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[11:15] <seb128> duflu, hey! what are you still doing around, it's friday evening!
[11:15] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça va, et toi?
[11:15] <seb128> nickel, je viens de faire un tennis, ça fait du bien de se bouger :)
[11:17] <oSoMoN> cool :)
[11:21] <duflu> seb128, I started a fun gnome-shell fix to end the week and it's still not finished :)
[11:52] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I just noticed that the libreoffice snap uses an old Google API key for access to the drive API, that was previously used by the debs, but was updated in 2016: https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?id=af86bbeac1ce628be66b60bfbe41410ef48a3763
[11:53] <oSoMoN> it's highly likely that this old key isn't valid any longer, it should probably be updated (and tested)
[11:53] <KGB-1> gnome-shell Pablo M 291701 * commented merge request !58 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell/-/merge_requests/58#note_291701
[12:50] <ricotz> oSoMoN, thanks!, I will stage that change
[20:51] <KGB-0> gnome-software Matthias Klumpp 291743 * commented merge request !5 * https://deb.li/3fUse


[04:53] <mdz> Keybuk: I received an SMS from a number that I don't recognize saying that they won't be able to make the tech board meeting due to being on a plane
[04:55] <Keybuk> what's the country code?
[04:59] <mdz> Keybuk: so shall we do this, or punt to the next meeting?
[05:00] <mdz> this isn't necessarily tech board stuff, I suppose, but we do need to talk about it
[05:00] <Keybuk> we can have a chat about it, sure
[05:00] <Keybuk> only the one thing on the agenda?
[05:00] <mdz> yep
[05:01] <Keybuk> suppose we better grab a couple of people
[05:02] <Keybuk> I can sense this is going to be of record length
[05:03] <daniels> Keybuk: er, no, hoary kickoff meeting
[05:03] <mdz> elmo: the only thing we need to discuss is how to manage the ongoing merges of new packages from Debian
[05:03] <Keybuk> daniels: what was last week, dude
[05:03] <thom> daniels: the other direction
[05:04] <elmo> mdz: ?
[05:04] <mdz> elmo: Debian, big place with lots of packages
[05:04] <elmo> mdz: ?
[05:05] <mdz> elmo: ...
[05:05] <thom> *giggle*
[05:05] <mdz> Keybuk: so anyway, what kind of shape are the tools in for use on an ongoing basis?
[05:05] <daniels> elmo:
[05:05] <Keybuk> ok
[05:05] <Keybuk> well, as I understand things
[05:05] <Keybuk> packages we haven't modified, elmo's magic will pull from Debian
[05:05] <mdz> Keybuk: is it feasible to automate at least the generation of the best-effort merges, and file bugs for their review?
[05:06] <Keybuk> yeah, I think so
[05:06] <Keybuk> if he can flag that a package we've modified has a new Debian version, my stuff can pull previous and current Debian, try to apply the diff to warty, and do it's dropped stuff
[05:06] <Keybuk> automating a bug filing ... I have no idea about ... I imagine it's doable though
[05:07] <mdz> Keybuk: there's a module in debzilla for filing bugs in bugzilla; it's dead easy
[05:07] <Keybuk> should we flag them all, or just the ones which the debian patch doesn't apply to?
[05:08] <mdz> based on the last round, i think at least an eyeball review is called for
[05:08] <mdz> and a test build
[05:08] <Keybuk> yeah, I tend to agree
[05:08] <Keybuk> there were a few where patch did odd things
[05:08] <mdz> though, these are much smaller
[05:08] <elmo> Keybuk: how do you want me to flag that to you?
[05:08] <mdz> the ones where it did truly odd things seemed to cause build failures anyway, so they'd be caught
[05:09] <mdz> having elmo's stuff send notifications sounds hairy; maybe Keybuk's stuff should just pull a Sources file from Debian on its own
[05:09] <Keybuk> the main issue is that I'm running on rookery
[05:09] <elmo> mdz: I can ultra-trivially dump the lorraine output to a text file which keybuk can wget?
[05:09] <elmo> Keybuk: why's that an issue?
[05:10] <mdz> elmo: works for me
[05:10] <Keybuk> just a text file of source package names elmo thinks Debian have newer than warty would be ideal
[05:11] <Kamion> sorry I'm late
[05:11] <mdz> Keybuk: as part of your output, can you include a debdiff from Hoary->the merged version?
[05:11] <Keybuk> yeah, if elmo installs that on rookery <g>
[05:11] <mdz> good point
[05:12] <mdz> I've been nagging him for a week to put it on jackass :-P
[05:12] <elmo> err, you so haven't
[05:12] <elmo> anyway, it's on rookery
[05:12] <mdz> Oct 29 12:41:07 <mdz>   elmo: debdiff on jackass, please?
[05:13] <Keybuk> would you prefer debdiff from base -> {old hoary, new hoary} as well?  instead of just ordinary patch?
[05:13] <elmo> mdz: ... one IRC message [that I missed]  is nagging for a week?
[05:13] <mdz> elmo: I could dig up more :-)
[05:13] <mdz> Oct 26 15:25:44 <mdz>   could I get debdiff+interdiff on jackass?
[05:14] <Keybuk> mdz: so, this debzilla thing, what's that?
[05:14] <mdz> Keybuk: that's the thing which creates bugs in bugzilla based on debbugs bugs
[05:14] <elmo> do you want just main, or main +universe?
[05:15] <mdz> Keybuk<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:16] <mdz> elmo: ideally both, but filterable
[05:16] <mdz> e.g., mark them as main or not in the text file
[05:16] <mdz> so we could generate the output for universe, but not file bugs
[05:17] <elmo> ok
[05:17] <mdz> Keybuk: work for you?
[05:18] <Keybuk> yup
[05:19] <mdz> Keybuk: yeah, base->new hoary is good too
[05:19] <mdz> I'm hoping those will be small and easily reviewable
[05:19] <Kamion> has the problem that we often don't have the right base been fixed?
[05:19] <Keybuk> yeah, hopefully
[05:19] <Kamion> that bit me with a lot of the last round of merges
[05:19] <Keybuk> Kamion: theoretically it's seen the right base now :p
[05:20] <Keybuk> but yeah, I'll write some code to string ubuntu* and look on snapshot for that
[05:20] <Kamion> Keybuk: certainly won't've done for some of the ones I'm doing
[05:20] <Kamion> ok
[05:20] <Keybuk> string? strip!
[05:20] <Keybuk> that's actually easy ... the only reason I didn't do it before is because I'm fallible and didn't think of that <g>
[05:20] <elmo> keybuk: jackass/lorraine/needs-merged.txt
[05:20] <elmo> missing universe atm. but is that okay?
[05:21] <Keybuk> cool
[05:21] <Keybuk> yup
[05:21] <Keybuk> I assume it'll be s/main/universe/ :p
[05:21] <elmo> for universe ones, yes
[05:22] <elmo> it's "%s %s" % (pkg, component)
[05:22] <mdz> so I guess we'll find out in the course of doing this, how much manual work it will truly be
[05:23] <mdz> I think it will be fairly reasonable
[05:23] <mdz> but hopefully just enough to provide the necessary incentives to push our changes upstream :-)
[05:23] <mdz> speaking of which, herbert's kernel-package stem patch needs to go upstream
[05:23] <Keybuk> what are we doing wrt to the current patches, btw?
[05:24] <Keybuk> have they all been pushed, or do we need to push some, etc.
[05:25] <mdz> we don't have those figures
[05:25] <Kamion> I've been going over d-i stuff as I upload the merges, pushing upstream as appropriate
[05:26] <mdz> of course we do have a fair volume of stuff that upstream isn't going to want
[05:26] <mdz> maybe after hoary when we have better tools, we can do a comprehensive review and make sure that everything has been submitted upstream
[05:27] <Kamion> indeed, by far the greatest volume of the d-i patches is branding
[05:27] <mdz> maybe we'll even have someplace to store that metadata :-P
[05:27] <mdz> and mark patches as should-go-upstream or not
[05:27] <mdz> anything else to discuss as part of the meeting?
[05:28] <Kamion> seeds?
[05:28] <mdz> good call
[05:28] <Keybuk> I'm going to finish brutalising hct's cli today ... will work on the continual merge thing tomorrow
[05:28] <Kamion> (viz., having some)
[05:28] <mdz> should we temporarily use some other repository for the master seed lists until the wiki is fixed?
[05:28] <Kamion> I'm happy with a world-writable text file on rookery, personally :-)
[05:28] <mdz> they could be part of germinate's source tree
[05:28] <Keybuk> we could always use the old wiki?
[05:28] <Kamion> Keybuk: that might be a plan
[05:29] <mdz> Keybuk: only if we can enable changes on a per-page basis
[05:29] <mdz> what about a group-writable arch archive?
[05:30] <Kamion> as long as we can get at it from {my dev boxes, little, jackass} that'd work
[05:30] <Kamion> I don't think it should be part of germinate's source tree
[05:31] <mdz> is the wiki really the best place for it long-term?
[05:31] <mdz> maybe when we were editing it every day, it was
[05:31] <mdz> we can keep proposals in the wiki, and move them into the official seeds by other means
[05:32] <mdz> needs a change history -> arch
[05:32] <elmo> the nice thing about the wiki is it was a http get for germinate
[05:33] <elmo> or anything else that wanted to fuck around with seeds
[05:33] <Kamion> elmo: we can do that with arch too
[05:33] <mdz> a tla get isn't much different, no?
[05:33] <Kamion> elmo: dump a checkout on rookery
[05:33] <mdz> can't tla dump a file for you in one step?
[05:34] <elmo> Kamion: yeah, true
[05:34] <mdz> even if not, a checkout isn't a big deal, I suppose
[05:34] <Kamion> fewer dependencies would be good, but I don't see a problem with having a cronned tla update on people/~cjwatson/seeds/ or whatever
[05:34] <mdz> I don't see a problem with germinate doing a tla get
[05:34] <Kamion> it's slow enough already :P
[05:35] <mdz> yeah, exactly :-)
[05:35] <mdz> what should we call the archive?
[05:35] <Kamion> and where should it go? do we want non-canonical staff to be able to write to it?
[05:36] <Kamion> (I assume the answer is "eventually, yes")
[05:36] <mdz> right
[05:36] <mdz> but it isn't a big deal if they can't quite yet
[05:36] <mdz> it's not something which changes often, and we can propagate things easily enough when there's a consensus
[05:36] <Kamion> so just chinstrap as before then, I guess
[05:36] <mdz> yeah
[05:37] <mdz> more a question of a personal archive vs. something else
[05:37] <mdz> Kamion: fine with me if you want to keep them in your archive next to germinate
[05:37] <Kamion><EMAIL_ADDRESS>etc.?
[05:37] <Kamion> mdz: that's a bit technically awkward for group-writability, because my archive on chinstrap is only a mirror
[05:38] <Kamion> and y'all don't have logins on my home server
[05:38] <mdz> ah, separate then, I suppose
[05:38] <mdz> does anyone know if we have an official naming scheme for public archives from the arch guys?
[05:38] <Keybuk> we do for imports, yes
[05:38] <mdz> anything which we could apply here as well, for consistency?
] /<source>--<branch>--<version>
[05:39] <Keybuk> Kamion's idea seemed sound to me
[05:39] <mdz> the ubuntu-devel one?
[05:39] <Keybuk> yeah
[05:40] <mdz> works for me
[05:40] <Kamion> if there are no objections, I can create that after the meeting, import warty's seeds, and tag them onto hoary
[05:40] <mdz> we can always change it if the arch secret police object
[05:40] <mdz> Kamion: sounds good
[05:40] <mdz> we have a bunch of seed changes to review and effect
[05:41] <mdz> I have a list from the kickoff meeting
[05:41] <mdz> and I believe there is stuff in the wiki for hoary
[05:42] <mdz> arything else to discuss?
[05:42] <Keybuk> not from me
[05:43] <mdz> ok, adjourned
[05:44] <mdz> thanks, guys


[00:03] <doko> who is running packages.ubuntu.com? no artful yet ...
[00:04] <nacc> doko: i filed a bug, iirc
[00:04] <nacc> doko: LP: #1689679
[00:05] <doko> nacc: ok, but I think this package owner doesn't know about this website ...
[00:05] <nacc> heh
[00:05] <doko> infinity: ^^^
[00:05] <nacc> doko: well, it's the explicit link from that page to 'file a bug' (at the bottom)
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[00:05] <nacc> so i'd hope they do
[00:05] <nacc> or the page should be rewritten :)
[00:06] <tumbleweed> rhonda IIRC
[00:06] <doko> ohh, I see
[00:09] <doko> ok, notified Rhonda as well
[01:22] <RAOF> All the verification-done bugs! WOOO
[01:23] <jbicha> RAOF: we were saving them for you!
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[08:29] <jamespage> o/
[08:29] <jamespage> hi SRU team - there is a bileto sync for ceph in the trusty UNAPRROVED queue for bug 1636322
[08:30] <jamespage> I'd not spotted it had not been accepted - newer series are all tested and fix released - if that could be accepted that would be marvelous
[08:42] <sil2100> jamespage: hello!
[08:43] <sil2100> jamespage: let me take a look
[08:43] <jamespage> sil2100: ta - I know that syncs from bileto appear to blackhole in reporting for SRU's somewhere
[08:43] <sil2100> They're not as bad when one gets used to them, they're just a bit confusing at first
[08:45] <sil2100> I'd say it's even more convenient due to the fact I have an inside look into autopkgtests always
[08:45] <sil2100> ;)
[08:46] <sil2100> jamespage: done, I still remember the change from xenial, approved
[08:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ceph [sync] (trusty-proposed) [0.80.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[09:17] <jamespage> sil2100: thanks!
[09:50] <apw> jamespage, it is more that syncs are hard to review in general, so they get left to last
[09:51] <apw> (because launchpad does not help at all with them)
[10:00] <jamespage> apw: right I see
[10:14] <apw> jamespage, that is not your fault of course ...
[10:15] <jamespage> apw: slangasek and I discussed this; agreed we're re-upload source packages to UNAPPROVED, rather than doing syncs from now on
[10:16] <apw> jamespage, you will cirtainly find you get reviews more easily ... sadly
[10:27] <tjaalton> how should lp sync sru's be handled? check the packaging diff and open the bugs and check they've got everything ready?
[10:28] <apw> tjaalton, i use queue fetch to get something to diff then when happy use sru-review --no-diff
[10:28] <tjaalton> ah, didn't know of --no-diff
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[17:23] <bdmurray> infinity: I'm setting the 16.04.2 milestone to inactive since it is in the past.
[17:43] <slangasek> bdmurray, infinity: do we have a date we can set for 16.04.3?
[17:45] <bdmurray> I didn't see one in the XX Release Schedule
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[18:30] <infinity> slangasek: I'll toss one up today.
[18:30] <slangasek> infinity: shiny
[18:30] <infinity> And maybe a few others too, since we planned a few releases ahead a while ago.
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[21:51] <slangasek> infinity, bdmurray: who's in charge of the ddeb importer these days?
[21:52] <slangasek> we should maybe do something about http://ddebs.ubuntu.com//pool/universe/libs/libspiro/libspiro-dev-dbgsym_0.5.20150702-4_i386.ddeb and http://ddebs.ubuntu.com//pool/main/libv/libvdpau/libvdpau-dev-dbgsym_1.1.1-3ubuntu1_i386.ddeb
[21:55] <bdmurray> slangasek: Martin didn't talk about it with me in December
[21:56] <infinity> slangasek: You are?
[21:57] <infinity> slangasek: Honestly, I'm not sure there was a formal handoff, but I think you, me, and Colin sort of own it, ish.
[21:57] <infinity> slangasek: Colin stepped up recently for another thing involving it.
[21:57] <infinity> slangasek: Also, "do something about" them in what sense?
[21:58] <slangasek> infinity: download those files and see
[21:58] <slangasek> :)
[21:59] <slangasek> infinity: I don't think I know which machine ddebs.u.c runs from
[21:59] <infinity> slangasek: germanium.
[21:59] <slangasek> ah yes
[22:00] <infinity> Oh, I see.  LP timeout.  Pretty.
[22:00] <slangasek> infinity: so the two things here are a) fix importer to notice launchpad is erroring and not import an error page instead of a ddeb, 2) reimport those bogus files
[22:00] <infinity> Reimporting them will be fun.
[22:00] <infinity> You'll have to clean the cache in between.
[22:01] <slangasek> that cache is where?
[22:02] <infinity> A fine question.
[22:03] <infinity> Also, when I say "clean cache", I mean carefully clean it with apt-ftparchive, not delete it.
[22:03] <infinity> Cause regenerating a-f caches from scratch is very unfun.
[22:04] <slangasek> right
[22:04] <slangasek> $ du -sh www/.cache/db
[22:04] <slangasek> 6.5G	www/.cache/db
[22:04] <slangasek> $
[22:04] <infinity> That'd be it.
[22:04] <slangasek> what's not to love about regenerating that
[22:04] <infinity> So, ddeb-retriever does a-f cleans occasionally, I think.
[22:05] <infinity> Or maybe he never got around to writing that bit.
[22:06] <infinity> Possibly that bit was never written.
[22:06] <infinity> Which would mean those caches are probably a bit chubby.
[22:06] <infinity> The fun never ends.
[22:08] <infinity> There's a clean.conf in www though, maybe it was being run by hand.
[22:09] <infinity> I'm beginning to understand why there might be a local copy of db5.1-utils in ~/bin/
[22:35] <cjwatson> Probably need to fix ddeb-retriever to urlretrieve to a tempfile and only move into place if it succeeds.


[09:13] <mdke> Burgundavia: that marketing-submissions thing sounds weird to me. What's wrong with the original marketing list? probably simpler for people to understand to have one list...
[09:14] <Burgundavia> mdke: the marketing submissions is an unmoderated list for people to send stuff to the marketing team
[09:14] <Burgundavia> the main list if for discussing stuff
[09:15] <mdke> i understand the concept; just not sure of why it's there. Presumably the main list is moderated so submissions will get through
[09:16] <mdke> sounds a bit confusing to me
[09:16] <Burgundavia> the main list is not really for people to send us lots and lots of random stuff
[09:16] <mdke> and along with fridge-devel too; having too many lists around generally is a bit odd
[09:17] <mdke> anyway, you know what you're doing
[09:19] <Burgundavia_> as I was saying, the marketing list is for dicussing marketing
[09:19] <Burgundavia_> the submissions lists is for peole to tell us about stuff
[09:20] <Burgundavia_> the other thing we are planning is a webform to submit to the mailing list
[09:21] <mdke> ok... as I said, seems wrong to me but you know what you are doing
[09:21] <Burgundavia> the community is doing a crazy amount of stuff
[09:21] <Burgundavia> if we pushed that to the marketing list, it would be very noisy
[09:22] <mdke> I don't think it will be pushed to any list, tbh. But having fridge-devel side by side with another similar targetted list is likely to reduce even those changes
[09:22] <mdke> chances*
[09:22] <Burgundavia> fridge-devel is entirely too specific
[09:23] <mdke> ok, good luck with it
[09:23] <Burgundavia> we needed something more general
[09:23] <mdke> so you want news about the community to that list?
[09:23] <mdke> stuff for uwn, etc?
[09:24] <Burgundavia> any of the marketing projects: uwn, fridge, full circle, other material, diy, website, etc.
[09:24] <mdke> or just marketing news
[09:24] <mdke> because if you want news about marketing, fair enough. If you want news about any aspect of the community, maybe don't use "marketing" in the name of the list
[09:25] <Burgundavia> it is submission to the marketing team
[09:25] <mdke> but we'll see how it goes, I guess
[09:26] <mdke> Burgundavia: I see that. But it's not intuitive that a team called "marketing" deals with news about the Ubuntu community; the UWN (for example) is nothing to do with marketing really. So a more generic name might help with people posting who aren't aware of that allocation
[09:26] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:27] <Burgundavia> i noticed :)
[09:27] <Burgundavia> everybody needs to have such a day
[09:27] <mdke> well, sorry. But that's how I see it
[09:28] <Burgundavia> yep, I know
[09:28] <Burgundavia> given the primary method will be the webform, changing the addy is not such a huge deal at some later date
[09:29] <mdke> what would really make sense would be to have a news team that deals with the fridge, UWN, etc and has its own submission list :)
[09:29] <Burgundavia> right
[09:29] <Burgundavia> that lits is suppposed to be that
[09:30] <mdke> ok so you already envisaged that it will replace fridge-devel?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> maybe
[09:30] <mdke> fair enough
[09:30] <Burgundavia> possibly replace the posting functionality
[09:30] <mdke> in that case, can we think about the name before spreading it widely?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> sure
[09:33] <mdke> maybe we can work it into discussions about remodelling the fridge workflow
[09:34] <mdke> it would be great to have more people who contribute to UWN submitting stories to the fridge for editor review, for instance
[09:34] <mdke> a single list would improve that
[09:34] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:35] <Burgundavia> the full circle need something as well
[09:35] <mdke> there you go. I've turned a cranky morning into being positive
[09:35] <Burgundavia> now that you are CC, does this mean you are actually going to make it to one of these meetings?
[09:35] <mdke> I make it to meetings already when they don't clash with my job
[09:36] <mdke> but currently they clash quite a lot
[09:36] <Burgundavia> right
[09:36] <Burgundavia> a uds, I mean
[09:36] <mdke> oh...
[09:36] <mdke> pretty unlikely for now
[09:36] <mdke> they *always* clash with my job :)
[09:37] <mdke> I'll try tho
[09:40] <mdke> one in London would be helpful
[09:41] <mdke> gtg