[01:34] <minimal> Lvl4Sword: you mean the user-data?
[01:47] <Lvl4Sword> minimal, ?. I mean without a machine. Such as a website like regex101 or something to verify.
[02:35] <minimal> Lvl4Sword: to verify what exactly? the user-data YAML you are providing?
[02:42] <holmanb> LVL4Sword: It's not clear what you are talking about: user configurations, code, or documentation. We use static analyzers (black, pylint, flake, mypy) which would catch code typos in Python. We have some spell checkers for the documentation. We have some tooling that validates user user-data cloud-config. We have some code tests that catch a variety of things. To which of these do you refer?
[02:45] <minimal> holmanb: I assume he's referring to user-data he had hasn't been clear. For user-data beyond using "cloud-init schema" there's no real solutions, right?
[02:45] <minimal> s/had /just /
[02:51] <holmanb> Yeah I think you're right.
[02:54] <holmanb> I mean a script could be statically validated by external checkers (shellcheck, for example), but since scripts are freeform that would have to be validated with something external. I guess we could maybe add something for Jinja, to see if the template is valid (just a basic load with a try/except would be all it would take).
[02:57] <minimal> I meant more than the likes of yamllint will indicate if a user-data YAML file is valid YAML, but doesn't check that it is valid user-data
[02:57] <minimal> s/than/that/
[14:26] <Naaaa> I understand how cloud-init works on initial boot of a system, but is cloud-init supposed to be applied every time a system reboots?
[14:52] <meena> Naaaa: there are modules that run on every boot
[14:53] <meena> and depending on the cloud provider, this could be divergent parts: Azure for instance wants the network configured every boot, while most other clouds do that once per instance
[14:54] <meena> every module's documentation tells you when it runs
[15:40] <anatoly79> hello
[15:40] <anatoly79> I'd like to test my user-data file by running cloud-init in a temp direcory or docker and apply only "apt" section
[15:41] <anatoly79> how can  do it? what is a command line?
[15:42] <anatoly79> the distro is ubuntu 22.04
[15:42] <minimal> test the syntax of your user-data or test performing actions/commands based on the user-data?
[15:43] <anatoly79> I want to see mofification to the root fs
[15:43] <anatoly79> I know I can do it with VM, but using docker (or tmp dir0 is faster
[15:44] <minimal> you'd have to run cloud-init to see the results
[15:45] <minimal> where is your user-data coming from? a cidata ISO?
[15:45] <anatoly79> a local file
[15:46] <minimal> don't think you can test that then - where cloud-init gets the user-data from depends on the particular DataSource used
[15:46] <anatoly79> I tried this: 1) run ubuntu 22.04 in a docker 2) install cloud-init 3) run cloud-init --file user-data.yml init
[15:47] <anatoly79> but this command tries to modify disk (run udevadm)
[15:47] <anatoly79> I'd like to run only "apt" section
[15:47] <minimal> does your user-data have only a apt section?
[15:48] <anatoly79> yes, I have a version with only "apt" section. cloud-init still tries to do the other things
[15:48] <minimal> well cloud-init doesn't just handle user-data
[15:49] <minimal> it sets up network etc
[15:49] <minimal> so it is not clear what exactly you are trying to achieve
[15:49] <anatoly79> can I tell it to do only "apt" stuff?
[15:50] <minimal> well if it doesn't setup network then how can it "do" only apt stuff (which likely involves a network connection)?
[15:51] <minimal> cloud-init is not really designed for runnning in a docker "application" container, though it can run in a LXC "OS" container
[15:52] <anatoly79> it can just assume that current configuration works, and start from "apt", I guess
[15:52] <minimal> you said you want to do this as it is quicker than using a VM, but you could have used a VM by now and finished your test...
[15:53] <anatoly79> :-)
[15:54] <minimal> basically I think you're trying to use cloud-init in a way it is not designed to be used
[15:57] <minimal> also what are you doing in a "apt:" section that is so complicated that you need to test it?
[15:59] <anatoly79> I'd like to create an ISO with build-in pool of debs for offline (no internet) install. For that I'd like to apply "apt" section  in some isolated env, and download debs
[15:59] <anatoly79> I can do it with my particulat configuration, but I want to do it generic, so applying "apt" section whatever it might be sounded as a good idea
[16:02] <anatoly79> livefs-editor project just uses main mirror
[16:02] <anatoly79> I thought by applying custom apt I can get more options for download


[04:47] <Energize> hi
[04:48] <Energize> anyone here
[15:18] <gunix> hey guys
[15:19] <gunix> how mature is 18.04 beta?
[15:19] <gunix> are there a lot of bugs atm? can it be used for LXD and steam and so on?
[15:44] <nacc> gunix: it's not at beta?
[15:59] <dax> it's a development release and development releases are unstable and will probably break your computer
[15:59] <dax> that said, i've been using it since November and it's fine. I use Steam on it daily
[15:59] <dax> no idea about LXD
[16:00] <nacc> i'm using LXD and it's fine
[16:01] <nacc> switch to the snap first and you won't even notice, i expect
[16:02] <gunix> isn't snap default in ubuntu 18.04 ?
[16:03] <nacc> gunix: i'm not sure if lxd as a snap is the 'default' or not
[16:03] <nacc> gunix: possibly through the store it is, but not through apt, obviuolsy
[16:03] <gunix> nacc: lxd repos have been removed in december
[16:04] <gunix> i never use the store, lol
[16:04] <gunix> just apt ... and recently, snap
[16:04] <gunix> dax: what graphics card do you have?
[16:06] <nacc> gunix: ... that's the PPA
[16:06] <nacc> gunix: so not sure what you mean
[16:08] <gunix> nacc: there was a message on lxd install last year that the PPA for LXD will be decommissioned in december and that people should install via snap, as this will be the default way to install LXD in 2018
[16:09] <nacc> gunix: i understand all that; 18.04 isn't out, lxd is still in the bionic repos
[16:12] <gunix> nacc: i know that
[16:13] <dax> gunix: amd rx480
[16:14] <gunix> dax: do you have friends with nvidia who tested 18.04 ? :D
[16:15] <dax> presumably some people in here, other than that no :P
[16:15] <gunix> :D
[17:50] <gunix> nacc: do you work at canonical?
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: alot of users already testing bionic atm
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: pretty stable in this stage
[18:25] <CoJaBo> What about the Kubuntu builds, any info on them?
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: http://news.softpedia.com/news/kubuntu-17-10-and-18-04-users-can-now-try-the-kde-plasma-5-12-lts-desktop-519401.shtml
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> just new
[18:26] <CoJaBo> Is Plasma 5.12 the version that'll ship with the release version?
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: not sure about that, im ubuntu-desktop user myself
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> aka gnome in bionics case
[18:29] <CoJaBo> Ah, it says so in the article
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: if you like you can help testing for the community
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> add some bugs
[18:31] <CoJaBo> Released to beta 1 day ago, and I'll be running the 32-bit version.. I wonder what my odds are of getting a usable system =D
[18:31] <CoJaBo> I'll probably be looking for the tracker lol
[18:32] <nacc> gunix: i do
[18:49] <gunix> nacc: can i ask you stuff about how your day to day is there? :D in private? :D
[18:49] <nacc> gunix: you can; i reserve the right to answer or not :)
[18:50] <gunix> ok
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> gunix: there is a canonical job site also if you like
[18:50] <gunix> what is a canonical job site?
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> holdon
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> gunix: https://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies
[18:55] <gunix> i don't want to join, since you don't have jobs in Bucharest, Romania, where I live :D
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> gunix: i guess there are jobs worldwide
[18:56] <gunix> not here
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> i mean (homebased)
[18:56] <gunix> oh
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> work from home, isnt it nacc ?
[18:58] <gunix> i was curious about some stuff ... what tool do you use for internal chat (screen sharing, voice chat, file sharing)?
[18:58] <nacc> well none of this is ontopic for this channel
[18:59] <gunix> ok ok
[18:59] <gunix> can you join #curiousgunix ? :D
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | gunix
[19:00] <gunix> oh ok great
[19:01] <gunix> joined #ubuntu-offtopic and none of you is there :D
[19:01] <gunix> nevermind you are on discuss


[11:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4901 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
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[15:12] <dholbach> popey, now it shows up on http://ubuntuonair.com/ for me
[15:12] <popey> blame caching
[15:13] <dholbach> weird :)
[15:30] <dholbach> popey, how much in advance do you usually spam the internets about an upcoming Q&A?
[15:30] <popey> asap
[15:30] <popey> now is good
[15:30] <dholbach> ok cool
[15:30] <popey> gives people time to get tea/coffee/crack
[15:30] <dholbach> I'll do twitter and fb
[15:30]  * popey will respam
[15:30] <popey> make sure you mention the snappy specifics
[15:31] <dholbach> sure
[15:40] <awilkins> Stand by for action : anything can happen in the next 20:00   :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E06cNv55jTs
[15:50] <dholbach> starting in 10 mins
[15:54] <HamSaladRUS> Is this, like happening today ?
[15:57] <popey> yes
[15:57] <HamSaladRUS> http://imgur.com/a/gYQYX?gallery#78
[16:01] <HamSaladRUS> So finally live.
[16:04] <HamSaladRUS> QUESTION: Will snappy be available for my Barska Starwatcher Telescope ? I wanna see the next galaxy !
[16:06] <GlueGlueGlue> QUESTION: Can Ubuntu Phone run vim or apache web server?
[16:08] <HamSaladRUS> QUESTION: How many bugs are there for 'Snappy' at the moment, would you say, on Launchpad  ?
[16:13] <TheFutureOfTuna> QUESTION. Even though I really like the idea of seperated click/snappy apps in Unity8 on the phone and desktop, I've seen an unofficial app store that, before installation, gives the user a prompt saying it could break your phone. Is it possible to have a sandboxed area that can hold such unoffical apps together that, if something goes wrong, doesn't effect the entire system and require a reinstallation?
[16:14]  * popey is keeping an eye on the questions, will get to them in a bit
[16:37] <TheFutureOfTuna> QUESTION. Are there plans to have all unity8 apps submitted by developers to be fat packages by default or will there always be some apps that can only be used on the phone (or any ARM device) even though they could very well be on the desktop (or any x86/AMD64 device) too?
[16:41] <Chipaca> 23
[16:48] <ted> No, they're still sandboxed no matter where you get them from.
[16:48] <HamSaladRUS> QUESTION: If the 'Snappy' Team intend for snappy to overtake apt-get on the desktop ... Does the team see the 'Snappy' process integeral to the UbuntuTV-milestones ? Have they heard anything to any degree or to this end t ?
[16:48] <ted> There is just an option to run "unconfined"
[16:48] <HamSaladRUS> sans t
[16:49] <ted> But, I'd imagine that there are other restrictions people are looking to avoid.
[16:49] <ted> Not just going to full "unconfined"
[16:51] <Chipaca> HamSaladRUS: what are “ubuntu-tv milestones”?
[16:52] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Softpedia has posted that Unity 8 will not look that different from they way Unity 7 looks now. Are there plans to update the Unity UI even if these are slow increments?
[16:52] <glome> QUESTION: How do Snappy and Click relate to Gnome sandboxed applications (xdg-app).
[16:52] <HamSaladRUS> I guess they are milestones that appear in launchpad that delay or promote a release of e.g. Ubuntu TV.
[16:55] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone!
[16:55] <popey> Thanks for the questions everyone!
[16:55] <dholbach> that was awesome :)
[16:55] <HamSaladRUS> cheers.
[20:08] <Typewriter> I've been trying to migrate away from Windows for over a decade, but Linux just isn't as simple yet. The Ubuntu interface (and Fedora) has come a long way but there's still a heavy reliance on terminal - is this a consideration for the direction of future releases?
[20:53] <ibrahim> hi
[21:30]  * Bl4ckD34Th Hi


[11:00] <cimi> pstolowski, morning! any chance you had a look at josh MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~josharenson/unity-scopes-shell/fix-overview-results-sorting/+merge/313075
[11:05] <pstolowski> cimi, heya, not yet, but will do today
[11:08] <Bernmeister> Asked this in #ubuntu-desktop and was redirected here: I have developed a number of appindicators using Python3/GTK+3 under Unity 7.  I recently tried running those indicators using Ubuntu 16.10 in the Unity 8 session and they didn't exactly run.  Will appindicators developed in Python3/GTK+3 be supported in Unity 8?
[11:49] <rvr> How can the gesture wizard be disabled in Unity8? It's annoying and I can't properly use it in qemu.
[11:51] <davmor2> rvr: there is a first time run line you can add somewhere let me find it
[11:52] <davmor2> rvr: touch .config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run
[11:53] <rvr> davmor2: Dave to the rescue. Thanks, dude!
[13:54] <pstolowski> cimi, hey, is josh off today?
[13:57] <cimi> pstolowski, it's 5:57am for him
[13:57] <cimi> pstolowski, wait 1h30m or 2
[13:59] <pstolowski> cimi, ah, I didn't realize, thanks
[16:20] <pstolowski> josharenson, hey
[16:22] <josharenson> pstolowski: hello
[16:27] <pstolowski> josharenson, i've looked at your MR for shell plugin, nothing wrong with it afaict but can you help me understand where we iterated "hundreds of thousands of times" in the existing implementation?
[16:29] <josharenson> pstolowski: I looked at it for a long time and couldn't figure it out myself... but I put a counter in the loop it replaced and it was iterating 130,000 times (for 17 scopes, moving item in position 16 -> 0 )
[16:30] <pstolowski> huh
[16:30] <josharenson> pstolowski: after a while, i decided just to sort everything :-p
[16:30] <pstolowski> josharenson, this is a single for loop with a map-based lookup... shouldn't happen in theory
[16:31] <josharenson> pstolowski: it wasn't hitting the increment operator because of the continue statement
[16:32] <pstolowski> josharenson, that's true, i was pondering that...
[16:32] <pstolowski> josharenson, but it's not obvious to me why it's so devastating in it
[16:32] <josharenson> pstolowski: I'm sure there is a solution to the existing code, probably just a small off by 1 error or something...
[16:33] <josharenson> pstolowski: but the output was so odd, I couldn't figure it out
[16:39] <pstolowski> josharenson, one more thing... your code doesn't need the "pos + (pos > i ? 1 : 0))" kind of shift in beginMoveRows, correct?
[16:40] <josharenson> pstolowski: I don't think so because it only ever moves items up...
[16:40]  * josharenson should probably test it a bit more
[16:41] <josharenson> pstolowski: all the reasonable edge cases that I could think of to test manually worked
[16:53] <pstolowski> josharenson, ok, thanks
[16:54] <pstolowski> josharenson, I've yet to test it, a little hard when i only have vivid phone/tablet
[16:54] <josharenson> pstolowski: thats all I've been testing it on... built it on the device in a chroot
[16:55] <josharenson> pstolowski: I can try and send you debs if you want?
[16:55] <pstolowski> josharenson, that would be great1
[16:56] <josharenson> pstolowski: give me a few minutes, I haven't actually tried building the packages, just been installing locally
[17:22] <josharenson> pstolowski: hum debuild fails on installing libscope-harness.so.2 even though it exists and there is a .install file for it
[17:23] <pstolowski> josharenson, scope harness lib is built as part of the unity-scopes-shell build
[17:24] <josharenson> pstolowski: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23634609/
[17:26]  * josharenson is trying a few things..
[17:27] <pstolowski> josharenson, can you just send me the .so file?
[17:29] <josharenson> pstolowski: libscope-harness?
[17:29] <pstolowski> josharenson, no, the plugin
[17:29] <pstolowski> from src/Unity/... after you build locally
[17:31] <josharenson> pstolowski: sure one moment
[17:33] <josharenson> pstolowski: sent, that was easier...
[17:36] <pstolowski> josharenson, yeah.. thanks, i'll take a look at this tomorrow, it's getting late. o/
[17:36] <josharenson> pstolowski: cool, thanks o/
[20:21] <dmj_s76> andyrock: Think we can produce a good scaling outcome with a one line change...testing now
[22:33] <Bernmeister> I have developed several Unity 7 appindicators using Python3/GTK+3.  I tried running those indicators in the Unity 8 session of Ubuntu 16.10 and they didn't exactly run.  Can someone tell me please if appindicators developed in Python3/GTK+3 be supported in Unity 8?


[10:49] <jaakkos> what spawns login on ttyO2 on Pandaboard Ubuntu? doesn't seem to be upstart...
[10:50] <jaakkos> i'd like to run commands at startup and have them print to the serial console. i could do this with upstart using /etc/init/ttyO2.conf but then 2 login processes are using the same serial console.
[10:50] <jaakkos> i have ttyO2 in kernel parameters but this shouldn't automatically spawn login on that console?
[10:51] <ogra_> which image is that ?
[10:51] <ogra_> (server ? desktop ?=
[10:51] <ogra_> )
[10:53] <jaakkos> should be server
[10:53] <jaakkos> 12.04 LTS
[10:55] <ogra_> and you used the serial install ?
[10:55] <ogra_> there should be an upstart job for ttyO2 then
[10:56] <jaakkos> this is a dd'd image, wait a sec.
[10:57] <jaakkos> downloaded from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/
[10:59] <jaakkos> ogra_: and indeed, grep -R ttyO2 /etc doesn't yield anything (unless i write ttyO2.conf myself)
[10:59] <jaakkos> and writing it myself spawns 2 logins.
[11:24] <jaakkos> well, i think i'll resort to a never-ending init script
[11:26] <jaakkos> though it would be really nice to know what is spawning it...
[11:44] <jaakkos> ah i think it's /etc/init/serial.conf
[11:44] <jaakkos> it greps console= from /proc/cmdline and starts getty on it :P


[01:19] <manuel4> AES-cryptography struck installing procedure alleging "logical driver already in USE", should I cryptograph by livecd-installer in AES, after already using my new distro?
[02:06] <skrp> im thinking about ditching ubuntu-server for centOS. for the sole reason that RHCE is the only certification worth anything
[02:06] <netameta_> anyone familiar with quassel, if so how can i export/import user profile(all of channels and configs)
[02:07] <skrp> i want to stay debian, but i am an accountant and i need a cert
[02:08] <skrp> i can't enter the jr admin world with no cert and a degree in business
[02:26] <tarpman> skrp: that's an assumption. employers exist who will hire based on what you know rather than pieces of paper
[02:27] <tarpman> skrp: are you involved in debian/ubuntu development? maintaining a couple of packages, perhaps?
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> skrp: FWIW, I'm at my third full-time sysadmin job and it's the first one where people got Red Hat certs.  Hired without one, just passed my RHCSA last week.  (Had LPIC-1 before - gotta redo that and go for -2)
[02:33] <skrp> im a bit noob, i moonlight on my 42u rack, windows/freebsd/ubuntu/pfsense. self taught
[02:34] <skrp> tonyyarusso, how did you enter the field? know someone?
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> skrp: Honestly, got lucky.  While I was in college, one of my professors asked if I'd be interested in a student-worker position.  I took that, and two months in my supervisor took a new job, and rather than try to fill the position mid-school-year, they asked if I'd like to just do his job on a temporary basis until the next fall.  So I got to put "Network Administrator for a college" on my res
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> ume before I even finished my ...
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> ... Associate's degree.
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> skrp: Also did several either extremely part time or volunteer things for friends and non-profits that were nice experience along the way.
[02:38] <skrp> nice, wp wp. yeah im figuring that i might need a kickstart. From my research RHCE is well respected
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> (Still do, actually)
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> Did some community stuff for Ubuntu as well - IRC op, LoCo contact, helped package something once, did some stuff for Classroom, Newsletter, and User Days, that sort of thing.
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> RHCSA/RHCE are definitely good.  LPIC is also good (and distro-agnostic).  However, both are intended to be a reflection of knowledge, not something you get before actually having the knowledge, so priority #1 is just learning.  Get some kind of system capable of basic virtualization at home, and build an environment that's way more complicated than you really need just to play around with thing
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> s like DNS, DHCP, mail, web ...
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> ... servers, and so on.
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> Dear irssi script:  Your algorithm for calculating when to split lines is broken.
[02:44] <skrp> LPIC is a joke tho, that shit is like noob level 0-.5
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> skrp: uhhhh, you realize there are multiple levels, right?
[02:46] <tonyyarusso> Same as Red Hat's certs.
[02:46] <skrp> the general consensus on LPIC... is very ehhhh. yeah i know there are more levels
[05:46] <nayKang> how to use curl -T (--upload-file)
[06:06] <azizLIGHT> how much space should i put in my vm hard drive for 15.04 install with LAMP for learning purposes
[06:07] <azizLIGHT> is 5 gb ok
[14:11] <tarvid> LAMP installed via tasksel, PHP not running
[14:25] <RoyK> is it enabled? have you tried to restart apache?
[14:25]  * RoyK doesn't use tasksel a lot :P
[14:27] <tarvid> /usr/sbin/apache2 -M shows  php5_module (shared)
[14:28] <tarvid> service apache2 restart issued many times
[14:28] <tarvid> envvars not always loaded
[14:29] <RoyK> and the module's enabled? in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ ?
[14:30] <tarvid> php5.conf is in mods-enabled
[14:30] <RoyK> not php5.load?
[14:31] <tarvid> php5.load is there too
[14:32] <tarvid> phpinfo() renders a blank page
[14:32] <tarvid> wordpress says php is not running
[14:32] <RoyK> what does the apache logs have to say?
[14:33] <tarvid> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [27/Jun/2015:10:13:37 -0400] "GET /phpinfo.php HTTP/1.1" 200 241 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0"
[14:34] <RoyK> did you restart apache?
[14:34] <tarvid> yes
[14:34] <tarvid> service apache restart
[14:35] <tarvid> /var/log/php/ is empty
[14:36] <RoyK> php doesn't log much
[14:36] <RoyK> it goes via apache where it's linked in
[14:37] <tarvid> I am about to reload, this is a test server and this installation fails
[14:37] <tarvid> it should be easy
[14:37] <RoyK> it's a bit hard to debug something on a private IP from here :P
[14:38] <RoyK> what happens if you 'wget -q -O - http://localhost/phpinfo.php' ?
[14:38] <tarvid> it is public fairfox.ls.net
[14:38] <RoyK> do you get the source printed?
[14:38] <RoyK> 192.168.* are private rfc1918 addresses
[14:39] <RoyK> Dora:~ roy$ wget -q -O - http://fairfox.ls.net/phpinfo.php
[14:39] <RoyK> <? phpinfo(); ?>
[14:39] <RoyK> bingo - it doesn't link .php to being php and handled by the module
[14:40] <tarvid> that is true
[14:40] <RoyK> that should be in php5.conf
[14:41] <RoyK> http://paste.debian.net/261895/ <-- from my server (debian jessie)
[14:43] <tarvid> http://paste.debian.net/261896/
[14:44] <tarvid> yours makes sense
[14:44] <RoyK> I just posted the first three lines - the rest isn't that relevant
[14:45] <RoyK> try to stop and restart apache
[14:45] <RoyK> this really should work - I've installed hundreds of servers with this (yes, really)
[14:45] <tarvid> I did comment the IFModule mod_user on the advice of web searching
[14:45] <tarvid> Not hundreds but dozens
[14:47] <RoyK> ubuntu and apache isn't always easy
[14:47] <RoyK> seems small hichups happen all over
[14:48]  * RoyK doesn't use ubuntu on servers any more - went back to debian
[14:49] <tarvid> which version?
[14:49] <RoyK> jessie now, but I still have some wheezy installs running
[14:51] <RoyK> tarvid: still, the problem is probably simple to fix - I've setup ubuntu with php *lots* of times
[14:51] <tarvid> me too but I think the installation is corrupt. No real harm in reloading
[14:52] <tarvid> a couple of virtuals which wonj't run because PHP is not running
[14:53] <RoyK> I'd suggest debian, then
[14:53] <RoyK> ubuntu development seems to me a wee bit more focused on cutting edge things and desktop than of long term stability - that also refers to LTS
[14:53] <tarvid> The purpose of the box is to keep me from testing live\
[14:53] <RoyK> IMO - that is - don't drag me to court on that :P
[14:53] <teward> RoyK: and after the LTS is relesaed?
[14:54] <RoyK> what about that? after LTS is released, three intermediate releases come and then a new LTS
[14:54] <RoyK> I just think that a lot of things I've seen in Ubuntu aren't that well tested before put into production
[14:55] <RoyK> that happens everywhere, of course, but ubuntu seems to be worse than the others
[14:55] <tarvid> much to mull
[14:56] <tarvid> I ran Debian for years
[14:56] <tarvid> I got burned by Mandrake 10
[14:57] <tarvid> I just want something robust
[14:57] <tarvid> about to try trick77's ban list
[14:57] <tarvid> IDS blow alarms all day long
[14:57] <studio_> hi
[14:58] <tarvid> I backup homes daily and scrutinize the logs
[15:00] <RoyK> tarvid: what backup software_
[15:00] <RoyK> ?
[15:02] <studio_> i need some help with older hardware to install ubuntu on it. me and some friends own the Black Dwarf UTM from Securepoint, it is the same as Lex Uno and it is using an Via C7 500MHz (and higher). the cpu is a non pae. is it possible to install ubuntu on it?
[15:05] <RoyK> studio_: IIRC none of the standard kernels work without PAE - perhaps try debian?
[15:06] <RoyK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
[15:06] <RoyK> perhaps
[15:07] <RoyK> studio__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
[15:14] <studio__> @RoyK, squeeze non pae mini.iso seems to be working on my old intel "m" based notebook. my problem is with the router, i do not own the vga cable, so i am not able to change the boot device on the router. the only chance i have, is to install the new os to the compact flash card via the old notebook. the compact flash card is the first boot device in the router ...
[15:38] <RoyK> studio__: then try that ;)
[15:41] <studio__> with that seems to be have problems to install grub on it ... it offers /sdc1 but to install grub on sdc1 is not working. what i am doing wrong?
[16:08] <RoyK> studio__: install grub on /dev/sdc, not /dev/sdc1
[16:08] <RoyK> studio__: and don't try to do anything about /sdc* :P
[16:08] <studio__> installing a server without eyes is really difficult, that's new to me ...
[16:08] <RoyK> perhaps a serial consle would work?
[16:09] <studio__> RoyK, i made a new boot up from the usb stick i think, now it is working ...
[16:10] <studio__> serial console i can test after the installation on the compact flash card, after i put back the cf-card into the router ...
[16:31] <studio__> RoyK, the device i am using ist the old version from ebay art.-nr #<PHONE_NUMBER>80. my device a a little bit older ...
[16:57] <studio__> hmm, ttyUSB0 is not working anymore ,,, :(
[17:05] <studio__> ok, i gave up for today ... maybe tomorrow ... have a nice day. bye!
[20:42] <mandrivaal> Greetings, anyone here use inotify-tools package on your ubuntu-server?
[20:48] <mandrivaal> Another question, my server internal ip address has been setup as static in the /etc/network/interfaces file. we have 20+ computers on our network. we recently experienced a power outtage and upon powering back up my file server was issued a dynamic ip. overridding my interfaces config setting. how is that possible?


[04:55] <Kilos> morning all
[04:57] <Symmetria> heh
[04:57] <Symmetria> kilos wanna see something mindblowing
[04:57] <Symmetria> :) how are you btw
[04:57] <mazal> More oom
[04:57] <Kilos> im ok ty and you, i dont have data for vids
[04:57] <mazal> More Symmetria
[04:57] <Kilos> tell me about it
[04:57] <Kilos> hi mazal
[04:57] <Symmetria> http://www.speedtest.net/result/4507060258.png <[04:58] <Kilos> oh thats ok
[04:58] <Symmetria> heh those are my new wifi AP's at home
[04:58] <mazal> Things like that just makes me angry
[04:58] <Kilos> wow
[04:59] <Symmetria> heh, I bought two AP's when I was in za on Monday
[04:59] <Symmetria> interestingly enough that is the fastest of the two, its a dlink
[04:59] <Symmetria> the other one I get around 450mbit up and down
[04:59] <Symmetria> (other one was cheaper, and is made by apple)
[04:59] <Kilos> d-link make good equipment
[04:59] <Symmetria> heh, so, recommendation
[04:59] <Symmetria> AC3200 D-Link
[04:59] <mazal> Here in SA we must just pay for everyone's greed and get no service for it
[04:59] <Symmetria> or Airport Extreme by Apple
[05:00] <Symmetria> either one of those are fantastic
[05:00] <Kilos> even the d-link usb modems are better
[05:00] <Symmetria> (but if you want that kinda wireless speed, that AC3200 is the only dlink that can do it, and they are pretty pricey)
[05:01] <Symmetria> one warning about 802.11ac though
[05:01] <Kilos> well here its useless having fast equipment unless you have ftth connection
[05:01] <Symmetria> it will *chew* battery on the client devices
[05:01] <Symmetria> kilos depends what you doing on your home network
[05:02] <Symmetria> if you moving stuff around your home network or trying to stream 4k video or something
[05:02] <Symmetria> :)
[05:02] <Kilos> oh ya for local
[05:02] <Symmetria> fast wifi is good
[05:02] <Kilos> local never was a prob, its our internet that sucks
[05:03] <Symmetria> heh but 802.11ac is so new that not THAT much supports it yet
[05:03] <Symmetria> like, macbooks have done since late 2013
[05:03] <Symmetria> the S5 and S6 samsung phones support it
[05:03] <Symmetria> and the iphone 6 supports it
[05:03] <Symmetria> but beyond that, not a huge amount
[05:04]  * mazal waits for donkie kar server to restart
[05:19] <stickyboy> Symmetria: \o/
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:24] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:25] <Padroni> Morning all
[07:25] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[07:26] <Padroni> how are you?
[07:26] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:26] <Padroni> I am good
[07:26] <Padroni> just tired :/
[07:26] <Kilos> again
[07:26] <Padroni> still
[07:26] <Padroni> my son is cutting teeth
[07:27] <Padroni> he wakes us between 4 and 8 times a night
[07:27] <Kilos> ouch
[07:27] <Padroni> so I have a grumpy baby and a grumpy wife
[07:28] <Padroni> because my life isn't complicated enough as it is
[07:28] <Kilos> lol
[07:29] <Padroni> bought me a nice 250Gb SSD earlier the week
[07:29] <Padroni> so gonna swop it out with the 128GB one I have in my laptop
[07:29] <Padroni> and move the 128 to my desktop
[07:33] <Kilos> nice
[07:38] <Padroni> these ssd's are fast
[07:38] <Padroni> 550Mb read / 530Mb write per second
[07:38] <Padroni> crazy
[07:38] <Padroni> read / write obviously not at once
[07:39] <Kilos> yeah when i tried one it flew
[07:39]  * mazal stares and a wheel that turns but nothing happens
[07:39] <mazal> Hi Padroni
[07:39] <Padroni> hi mazal
[07:39] <Padroni> hoe gaan dit?
[07:39] <mazal> Besig maar goed dankie en daar ?
[07:40] <Padroni> same old, same old
[07:40] <Padroni> is there an effective way to move a user account (about 55GB) from one ubuntu install to another?
[07:40] <Padroni> or should I just copy over the data manually?
[07:41] <mazal> Same OS and flavour Padroni ?
[07:41] <Padroni> yeah, 'buntu 1404
[07:42] <mazal> I wanted to say how I would do , but will probably be in the dogbox. Rather wait for the clever guys
[07:43] <mazal> Yay the wheel stopped turning !!!! That was only about 15 minutes to get a user's properties screen open :P
[07:45] <Padroni> whaaaaat?
[07:45] <Padroni> why so long?
[07:45] <Padroni> you runnign RAT via dial-up?
[07:45] <Padroni> gprs?
[07:45] <Padroni> Edge?
[07:45] <mazal> I am creating new users , on a MS AD domain , over a WAN that has only 1mb line , with 210 pc's on it currently all busy doing Win 7 updates
[07:46] <mazal> Patience is needed to say the least
[07:46] <Padroni> jeez
[07:46] <Padroni> my I ask
[07:46] <Padroni> would it not be better
[07:46] <Padroni> to have one pc download all updates
[07:46] <Padroni> and have all pc's update from that pc?
[07:47] <mazal> Not my choice remember
[07:47] <mazal> I must do the work , but may not make any choices or suggestions'
[07:47] <Padroni> Fucking management.  They will be the death of us all.
[07:47] <Padroni> pardon my french
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> ugh
[07:47] <mazal> Head Office set up the updates to ran from a server at their side
[07:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> why do you people let yourselves be stepped on like that
[07:47] <mazal> But non of the clowns thought about our poor bandwidth on the WAN
[07:48]  * Padroni is with ThatGraemeGuy on this
[07:48] <mazal> Ok new user screen apeared , now I can continue for 5 minutes before I need to wait again lol
[07:49] <Padroni> how are you, ThatGraemeGuy?
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> lekker thanks, you?
[07:51] <Padroni> stil
[07:51] <Padroni> tired but fine
[07:51] <Padroni> I am currently in the market for a new DSL provider.
[07:51] <Squirm> Morning
[07:51] <Padroni> Uncapped, with SSH / VPN services available, dedicated IP if possible, and not on the MTN backbone.
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> if uncapped and you are willing to schedule heavy downloads between midnight and 08:00, crystalweb home premium
[07:51] <Padroni> For under R700 if possible.
[07:52] <Padroni> url?
[07:52] <Padroni> must not be on MTN backbone
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> www.crystalweb.co.za
[07:52]  * mazal cicks the finish button and goes for a sb while wheel is turning
[07:52] <Padroni> I am currently with Afrihost and their latency is f*cking with my SSH sessions
[07:52] <mazal> ^5 Padroni
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah afrihost has lost the plot
[07:52] <mazal> MTN backbone sucks
[07:52] <Padroni> 'they are working on it'
[07:52] <Padroni> in the mean time
[07:53] <Padroni> I have threatened Telkom with physical violence (went to their shop and threatened to shoot up the place) if they don't sort out my line
[07:53] <Padroni> had Telkom's guys come and replace the 50-core cable in my whole street in self defense
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> for anyone else reading, please don't do that
[07:53] <Padroni> only to now find out it was Afrihost all along
[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> you know you can get a free 1GB account from just about anyone nowadays
[07:54] <Padroni> THIS is why I don't qualify for a firearm licence.
[07:54] <Padroni> I go through between 6 and 10Gb a day
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I have a bunch, if stuff starts acting up, I try a few others to see if its a telkom or isp issue
[07:54] <Padroni> 1Gb is not enough...
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1gb is for testing, smarty pants
[07:54] <Padroni> I know
[07:55] <Padroni> but I am running a vpn via untangle
[07:55] <Padroni> such a schlep to change the settings all the time
[07:55] <Padroni> necessary evil though, I guess.
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you need serious service and performance you ought to be paying for a business account anyway
[07:55] <Padroni> I am currently on a Afirhost business package
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> well not with them, duh
[07:56] <Padroni> You'd think the service would be better
[07:56] <Padroni> You'd be wrong.
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> no you wouldn't if you've been paying attention to the buzz in the industry :)
[07:56] <Padroni> I don't follow the buzz around dsl providers, to be honest
[07:56] <Padroni> my attention is on opsec and infosec
[07:56] <Padroni> so I am late to the party with this MTN thing
[07:57] <Padroni> "Click to run Adobe Flash Player"
[07:57] <Padroni> That makes me nervous...
[08:03] <mazal> Their issues started more than a year ago already
[08:03] <mazal> Then it was better for a while and the about a month ago things collapsed again
[08:03] <mazal> Closed my account at them completely
[08:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: you've run ubuntu off an external disk before yes?
[08:25] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Yep , for a long time
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> what was on the internal drive when you did that?
[08:26] <mazal> Win 7
[08:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> I've transplanted my O/S to external and installed grub there, but i suspect that when i boot its still loading grub from the internal hdd
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> even if i specifically select external hdd as boot device
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> although if i select Ubuntu on /dev/sda2 from grub menu, it loads my O/S from external just fine
[08:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> confused
[08:28] <mazal> You have grub on both drives ?
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm going to put windows 8 on the internal hdd but i don't want to do that until I'm sure that I'm booting completely independently from the external
[08:28] <mazal> But external can't be sda2 , should be sdb1
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry it is, typo
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> sdb2
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> sdb1 is an NTFS partition with stuff on it
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> doesn't really matter though
[08:29] <mazal> All I can think is the grub install to sdb didn't install correct
[08:29] <mazal> OR UEFI is enabled
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> let me see if i can disable the internal hdd in bios maybe
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> not UEFI not currently enabled, but will be for win 8
[08:30] <mazal> hmmm
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> will external not work then? this UEFI stuff is beyond me
[08:30] <mazal> Try disble internal , just to test external's grub
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah let me do that quickly
[08:32] <mazal> And by "transplanted" you mean ? Fresh install or something else ?
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, refuses to boot from external
[08:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> well refuses to load grub from it anyway
[08:35] <mazal> ^^ previous question
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> transplanted: booted livecd, rsync data from /dev/sda1->/dev/sdb2 and /dev/sda5->/dev/sdb3
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> / and /home, respectively
[08:35] <mazal> Did you remember to check grub.cong UUID's
[08:36] <mazal> Sometime , even after grub install the UUID's still point to wrong drive in grub.conf
[08:36] <mazal> It might have the source's config still
[08:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> then mount / and /home of the external, bind mount /dev /proc /sys /run, chroot into external hdd, update-initramfs -k all -u, update-grub, grub-install /dev/sdb
[08:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> update-grub fixes that
[08:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> and if that were the case then I would not be able to boot it at all
[08:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is simply that grub does not load from the external hdd for some reason
[08:37] <mazal> and the obvious " boot from usb" in bios is enabled ne ?
[08:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> its the only device enabled for booting
[08:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> no grub
[08:37] <mazal> damn
[08:38] <mazal> Size of external ?
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1TB
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> relevance?
[08:38] <mazal> Do you have seperate /boot partition ?
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[08:38] <mazal> One of my 1TB's refused to boot external until I made /boot seperate 2gig partition
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> seems unnecessary
[08:39] <mazal> Was only on a laptop
[08:39] <mazal> And was the only thing that fixed it
[08:39] <mazal> Booted fine on desktop pc , refused on laptop , then tried that and worked
[08:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[08:40] <mazal> I don't know why
[08:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm done, will do it some other way some other time
[08:40] <mazal> Is the only thing I can think of  , otherwise you covered all bases
[08:40] <mazal> Try boot it from a desktop pc and see what happens
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> partitions same size on external as on internal, that doesn't make sense
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm done, back in internal
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> will tackle this another day
[08:46] <mazal> Do you need that Win 8 btw ?
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> need to get to grips with this UEFI business
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, the laptop came with Win 8 in UEFI mode, so the product key is embeded in the firmware
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> and you must install in UEFI mode to make use of it
[08:47] <mazal> Bloody MS
[08:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you try and install Win 8 in BIOS mode, and provide the extracted key, it will supposedly reject the key
[08:47] <mazal> I hate that MS crap
[08:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> so I need to fully re-do the laptop, including installing Ubuntu in UEFI mode too
[08:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> UEFI isn't MS crap it was developed by a consortium of 140-odd tech companies
[08:48] <mazal> I was reffering to the keys and moeny side
[08:49] <mazal> But they probably have no choice with all the pirating
[08:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe I can figure out why that software won't work in a VM
[09:14] <MaNI> what error does it give? :)
[09:16] <Padroni> ThatGraemeGuy: what do you use for VM's?
[09:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> MaNI: its supposed to install a driver, which it doesn't seem to do for some readon
[09:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> reason
[09:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> Padroni: virtualbox
[09:18] <Padroni> thought so
[09:18] <Padroni> me too
[09:19] <Padroni> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SpQ1fRQAto
[09:19] <Padroni> That looks nice though
[09:19] <Padroni> Xenserver setup.
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> going to try vmware, perhaps it maps usb devices to guests differently
[09:19] <Padroni> vm is paid-for software, is it not?
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> vmware player is free
[09:20] <Padroni> but it is also enterprise level virtualization
[09:20] <Padroni> hmmm
[09:20] <Padroni> which is the best ?
[09:20] <MaNI> kvm :)
[09:20] <Padroni> don't have any experience with vmware yet
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> "enterprise level virtualization" is meaningless marketing speak
[09:21] <Padroni> I don't know of any big companies using virtualbox
[09:21] <Padroni> that is what I meant
[09:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> vmware is a company too, not a product
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> they have products that cover the entire spectrum
[09:22] <Padroni> I am talking about their products...
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> and vmware player is probably the simplest of the lot
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> its more or less equivalent to virtualbox
[09:22] <MaNI> virtualbox - (just checking) you have tried setting a direct passthrough for the usb device in question, right?
[09:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> is that where i map it to the vm in it's settings, rather than just connecting it on-the-fly using the device menu?
[09:24] <MaNI> yeah
[09:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, did that
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> it sees the device in device manager but it comes up as an onrecognised USBMS device for which it can't find a driver
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> so I guess there's some translation happening at the usb layer rather than a real untainted pass-thru
[09:26] <MaNI> :/
[09:59] <mazal> Maaz you know what I want now
[09:59] <Maaz> mazal: *blink*
[09:59] <mazal> Maaz food
[09:59] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[11:06] <Padroni> I have to run
[11:06] <Private_User> good day all
[11:07] <Padroni> laters folks
[11:07] <Padroni> hi  Private_User
[11:07] <Private_User> hi Padroni
[11:08] <Private_User> does anybody know what terminology is used to describe when you combine like multiple machines to create one huge powerful machine?
[11:08] <Private_User> my friend has like 4 desktops and he wants to try that but not sure what to google for
[11:10] <Kilos> Private_User  peeps used the rasberry pi to do it and there is a diadram somewhere online
[11:11] <Private_User> thanks Kilos
[11:11] <Private_User> but only 1 question, what is a diadram?
[11:11] <Private_User> lol
[11:11] <Private_User> I am assuming you mean diagram?
[11:11] <Kilos> i cant remember what i even googled at the time
[11:11] <Kilos> ya that thing
[11:12] <Kilos> http://www.pcauthority.com.au/Feature/306972,weekend-project-build-your-own-supercomputer.aspx
[11:12] <Kilos> maybe something like that
[11:16] <MaNI> cluster
[11:16] <Private_User> thanks Kilos, I will send him the above link he can read up further
[11:16] <Kilos> there are many
[11:17] <Kilos> just gppgle how to connected many computers to build a super computer
[11:18] <MaNI> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cluster
[11:19] <Private_User> thanks MaNI
[11:20] <Private_User> I sent him both links he can read
[11:20] <Private_User> hehe
[11:20] <Kilos> ty MaNI
[11:20] <MaNI> in his case seeing as he only has 4 hes probably more interested in beowulf clusters or similar than supercomputer ones :p
[11:46] <mazal> I must still try the multi screen thing
[11:46] <mazal> **sigh** Many things I must still try
[12:05]  * Kilos reading http://cs.boisestate.edu/~amit/research/beowulf/beowulf-setup.pdf
[12:12] <Kilos> Private_User  let him look here too https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/133-general-linux/9401
[12:24] <Private_User> thanks Kilos, I sent him the links, he needs to read up now we cannot read for him
[12:24] <Private_User> hehe
[12:25] <Private_User> mazal: I hear you many things I need to not only try but do #procrastination
[12:25] <Private_User> lol
[12:29] <Kilos> also tell him google is his friend Private_User
[12:29] <Kilos> google is everyones friend but mine
[12:29] <Kilos> MaNI  ty for the beowulf info
[12:31] <MaNI> not to be confused with the poem/movie :p
[12:31] <Kilos> tempted to try 2 dual core pcs
[12:36] <mazal> Time to caal it a day
[12:36] <mazal> call*
[12:36] <Kilos> its a day
[12:36] <mazal> Have a nice evening everyone
[12:37] <mazal> Cheers
[12:37] <Kilos> go well
[13:26] <Kilos> Maaz  forecast pretoria
[13:26] <Maaz> Kilos: Thursday: Clear. High: 22° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 5° C., Friday: Clear. High: 18° C., Friday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Saturday: Clear. High: 21° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 23° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 7° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Tuesday: Clear. High:
[13:26] <Maaz> 25° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 9° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 22° C., Wednesday Nigh…
[13:27] <Kilos> oh my here comes the bad cold again
[13:27] <Kilos> bed till 10 am
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: forecase brackenfell
[13:30] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: Sorry...
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: forecast brackenfell
[13:30] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: City not found
[13:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> bleh
[13:35] <Kilos> hehe
[13:36] <Kilos> he dont do suburbs
[13:36] <Kilos> Maaz  forecast capetown south africa
[13:36] <Maaz> Kilos: City not found
[13:36] <Kilos> ai!
[13:37] <Kilos> Maaz  weather in capetown
[13:37] <Maaz> Kilos: City not found
[13:38] <Kilos> QA   forecast cape town south africa
[13:38] <QA> Kilos: Thursday: Partly Cloudy. High: 15° C., Thursday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 9° C., Friday: Rain. High: 13° C., Friday Night: Rain. Low: 10° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 17° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Sunday: Partly Cloudy. High: 16° C., Sunday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 9° C., Monday: Chance of Rain. High: 14° C., Monday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 8° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 16° C.,…
[13:38] <Kilos> Maaz  weather in cape town
[13:38] <Maaz> Kilos: In Cape Town, South Africa at 3:00 PM SAST on July 16, 2015: 15°C; Humidity: 59%; Wind: NW at 24 km/h; Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:48 AM SAST/5:55 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:43 AM SAST/6:34 PM SAST
[13:39] <Kilos> eeeek your high today is only 15°c
[15:17] <Private_User> Maaz: weather in Durban
[15:17] <Maaz> Private_User: In La Mercy, South Africa at 5:00 PM SAST on July 16, 2015: 20°C; Humidity: 83%; Wind: South at 22 km/h; Conditions: Scattered Clouds; Sunrise/set: 6:50 AM SAST/5:14 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 6:45 AM SAST/5:50 PM SAST
[15:18] <Private_User> Maaz: forecast durban
[15:18] <Maaz> Private_User: Thursday: Clear. High: 24° C., Thursday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 13° C., Friday: Chance of Rain. High: 22° C., Friday Night: Clear. Low: 8° C., Saturday: Clear. High: 23° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 22° C., Sunday Night: Clear. Low: 11° C., Monday: Clear. High: 24° C., Monday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 14°
[15:18] <Maaz> C., Tuesday: Chance of Rain. High: 20° C., Tuesday Night: Rain. Low: 13° C., Wednesday…
[15:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:41] <Kilos> hi z3r009 hows things there
[15:41] <z3r009> hi man, okay, and you?
[15:41] <Kilos> good ty
[15:43] <Cryterion_> Hmm that capetown weather has been sent on it's way here, grrr
[15:43] <Kilos> yeah
[15:43] <Kilos> we gonna freeze for a few days
[15:43] <Cryterion_> Yip, like last few days
[15:44] <Kilos> no even colder
[15:44] <Kilos> 5°c  or even more
[16:13] <Kilos> pro gonna freeze on his bike int the morning
[16:40] <Kilos> eish no chatting for a while hands full of genkem
[16:41] <Kilos> hard to type with pinkis
[18:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> moo
[18:29] <magespawn> good evening
[18:30] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:30] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:31] <Kilos> you missed us?
[18:34] <magespawn> who me?
[18:35] <Kilos> no graeme
[18:36] <magespawn> ahh right
[18:49] <MaNL> Kilos, Any idea what south africans call http://www.solarpanelstore.com/solar-power.elec-parts.ilsco-lugs.html by any chance? The american term "grounding lug" does not seem to bring much joy when searching
[18:50] <Kilos> lemme see
[18:51] <Kilos> grounding is normally your earth
[18:52] <MaNI> yeah
[18:53] <Kilos> those things are what eskom use for joining different cables
[18:53] <MaNI> they're special connectors for earthing, because you can't put copper earth wire directly on aluminium, and also just because its more secure to have a proper connector :p
[18:54] <Kilos> ya
[18:54] <magespawn> MaNI: grounding block
[18:54] <MaNI> I assume such a thing must exist locally, so it must have some south african name that I don't know :p
[18:54] <Kilos> oh
[18:55] <MaNI> hrm, maybe
[18:56] <Kilos> ya eskom use the an city electrical places'
[18:57] <MaNI> except blocks are usually for multiple wires
[18:57] <Kilos> likt i have 2 here i think that tswane electric left behind
[18:58] <MaNI> I guess I could saw one into pieces if I get desperate
[19:03] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[19:22] <Kilos> anyone got contacts for a battery for a lenovo t410 thinkpad
[19:22] <Kilos> i only find prices of around r1400
[19:22] <Kilos> that way too much for me
[19:32] <MaNI> yikes
[19:32] <MaNI> did you try searching by the barcode on the battery pack? often find cheaper generics that way
[19:36] <Kilos> lemme try get that info from ian'
[19:36] <Kilos> ty MaNI
[19:37] <Kilos> he has the lappy for me but battery stuffed
[19:38] <magespawn> that should not be a problem, you can run it from the power
[19:38] <MaNI> only a problem if you want to use it on the move, or during loadshedding :p
[19:38] <Kilos> i only want the think for when i have a meeting and load shedding
[19:39] <Kilos> i dont like laptops
[19:39] <Kilos> so its just a backup
[19:40] <magespawn> ahh right
[19:41] <magespawn> i have not really used a desktop in awhile
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe
[19:41] <magespawn> i like taking my stuff with me
[19:41] <Kilos> i love my desktop and hate loadshedding
[19:42] <Kilos> and mxit dead from here
[19:42] <Kilos> ai!
[20:03] <magespawn> bedtime for me, good night all
[20:18] <Kilos-> superfly  keep the cold weather there man
[20:22] <superfly> Kilos-: it';s not my fault.
[20:22] <Kilos-> lol ok
[20:32]  * Kilos- notes the pro stays away
[20:32] <Kilos> big storm in rustenburg
[20:35] <Kilos> MaNI  does this barcode make sense -  11s42t4796z1zjpf15g28w    2011.05
[20:37] <Kilos> i have no idea how to google with that
[20:38] <Kilos> for that
[20:47] <MaNI> no don't think so
[20:47] <MaNI> check enxt to it for a serial number
[20:47] <MaNI> or part number
[20:47] <Kilos> ok ill ask
[20:48] <MaNI> like on mine it has: part number GCR-B/984
[20:48] <MaNI> if I google that I'll usually et far more direct hits than if I google "battery for HP compaq xxxx"
[20:48] <Kilos> ok ty
[20:49] <MaNI> as a last resort you could also look for someone who does 'repacking' - i.e. opening up the case and replacing the cells inside instead of buying a new pack, if you can find somewhere reasonable
[20:50] <Kilos> ok ty ill keep trying
[20:50] <MaNI> laptop batteries are a real pain :/
[20:51] <Kilos> he gave this  n14608
[20:53] <Kilos> and this
[20:53] <Kilos> FRU P/N 42T4911
[20:53] <Kilos> ASM P/N 42T4796
[20:53]  * Kilos googles
[21:17] <MaNI> that seems more like it :p
[21:18] <MaNI> http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/192147475/Dtk_New_Laptop_Battery_Replacement_for_Lenovo_Ibm_Thinkpad_W530_W530i_L430_7800MAH_9CELLS.html <- not great but beats the original price
[21:21] <Kilos> lemme see
[21:21] <Kilos> what a job
[21:22] <Kilos> wow taking forever to open
[21:23] <Kilos> says webpage not available
[21:23] <Kilos> murphy is back again
[21:24] <MaNI> or grab one off aliexpress for ~$20 (probably double  that after taxes) if you can afford to wait a month or two :p
[21:24] <MaNI> strange, bidorbuy link works for me
[21:25] <Kilos> something wrong here , tried on 2 browsers
[21:35] <Kilos> i give up.  night all. sleep tight
[21:35] <Kilos> ty MaNI