[00:00] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: stop the networkmanager daemon process.
[00:00] <TheSkeward> so
[00:00] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: I wish they didn't use the terminology 'kill'
[00:00] <TheSkeward> it's the equivalent of 'end process tree' in windows?
[00:00] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: yes.
[00:01] <TheSkeward> it says no process found
[00:01] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: also for your expanded info about Linux you can run the System Monitor, which is like the thingy you have in Windoze.
[00:02] <zkriesse> holstein: i'm back
[00:02] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: If i recall correctly its System->Administration->System Monitor
[00:03] <TheSkeward> nothing named networkmanager or anything close is running
[00:03] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: and in there under processes you can usually (not always) manage to 'kill' processes.
[00:03] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: and that was without you running 'sudo killall NetworkManager' ?
[00:03] <TheSkeward> correct.
[00:04] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: is wicd running?
[00:04] <TheSkeward> no
[00:04] <TheSkeward> what is wicd?
[00:04] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: it is an alternative to NetworkManager
[00:04] <zkriesse> holstein: ping
[00:05] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: they both basically do the same thing.
[00:05] <TheSkeward> neither is open
[00:05] <TheSkeward> running*
[00:05] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: but NetworkManager is the default program on Ubuntu.
[00:05] <newboon2age> The fact neither is running is probably why there is no wireless happening
[00:06] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: i think you may be able to restart the NetworkManager by trying...
[00:07] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: from a terminal 'sudo NetworkManager'  -- tell me what it says when you try that.
[00:07] <TheSkeward> command not found
[00:07] <zkriesse> phillw: hey dude you there?
[00:07] <TheSkeward> oh, i take it back
[00:07] <TheSkeward> it's case-sensitive
[00:07] <TheSkeward> this is odd
[00:07] <KnitGal> anyone have ideas about my question?
[00:08] <TheSkeward> it says networkmanager:8509):: warning, it's already running (pid 635)
[00:08] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: yeah, that is an odd one.  one of the few commands i've come across that actually have mixed cases.  But just so you know, Linux commands are case sensitive.
[00:09] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: do you have the little applet thingy for NetworkManager running on the top panel middle-right?
[00:10] <TheSkeward> yes
[00:11] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: and when you right click on it what does it say?
[00:11] <TheSkeward> enable networking and enable notifications are both checked
[00:11] <TheSkeward> connection information is greyed out
[00:12] <TheSkeward> and it also has edit connections and about
[00:12] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay that's what I figured.  Does it help if you edit a connection for the wifi that you already know is there?
[00:13] <TheSkeward> http://www.auburn.edu/oit/connectivity/wireless/ht_auwifi_linux.php
[00:13] <TheSkeward> i have the settings shown here
[00:14] <newboon2age> KnitGal: zkriesse can probably help you with your install question.
[00:14] <KnitGal> thanks
[00:14] <zkriesse> KnitGal: whats up
[00:15] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay then its worth trying the killall command.  I believe what will happen is that it will be automatically restarted.
[00:16] <KnitGal> i may have a partial solution . . . apparently i need to shrink the windows partition and give Ubuntu enough installation space  . . . i have someone else helping me so i'll come back later if i still have problems
[00:16] <zkriesse> KnitGal: ok cool
[00:16] <TheSkeward> done
[00:17] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay for information purposes, try starting NetworkManager again and see if it says its running already.
[00:17] <TheSkeward> yes
[00:17] <TheSkeward> says it's already running
[00:17] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: despite the warning it doesn't hurt anything to try to start it if its already running.
[00:18] <TheSkeward> pid 8540 this time
[00:18] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: yes, so as you can guess, it restarted automatically.
[00:18] <TheSkeward> mhm
[00:19] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay so now you might try fiddling with the applet thingy again.  I don't have an Ubuntu machine in front of me at the moment so i can't remember if there is a way to tell it to scan for wifi connections.
[00:19] <TheSkeward> if there is i don't see one
[00:20] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: actually i think if its working right when you mouse over it it pops up with any connections it can scan.
[00:20] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: hmmm...
[00:21] <TheSkeward> when i mouse over it says no network connections
[00:21] <TheSkeward> for reference, i am connected wirelessly on my roommate's laptop
[00:21] <TheSkeward> so there are network connections, it just doesn't see them
[00:22] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: gotcha.  well it seems that the next thing i can think of to try is that reinstalling of modemmanager that i mentioned earlier.
[00:23] <newboon2age> zkriesse: duanedesign: do you know if there a way to direct apt-get to a usb stick?
[00:24] <zkriesse> newboon2age: not that I know of why?
[00:25] <newboon2age> zkriesse: TheSkeward has a situation where they can't connect to a network but it would be handy to load a package from a USB stick.
[00:25] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: do you have an Ubuntu install CD?
[00:25] <TheSkeward> newboon2age: yes
[00:25] <zkriesse> hmm
[00:25] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay that could come in handy.
[00:26] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: since the point where you installed ndiswrapper, have you rebooted the machine at all?
[00:27] <TheSkeward> newboon2age: no
[00:28] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay i can think of several things to try.  I guess the first is to reboot the machine and see if it 'just works'
[00:29] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: (are you trying that?)
[00:30] <TheSkeward> yeah
[00:30] <TheSkeward> sorry
[00:30] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: sorry meaning it didn't work, or ???
[00:31] <TheSkeward> sorry meaning sorry i didn't mention i was trying it
[00:31] <TheSkeward> it's in the process of restarting now
[00:31] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: gotcha...
[00:32] <TheSkeward> no luck.
[00:32] <TheSkeward> still no network connections
[00:32] <newboon2age> okay second idea... TheSkeward
[00:33] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: could you please put the Ubuntu Install Disk in the CD drive and open Synaptic
[00:34] <TheSkeward> kay.
[00:34] <TheSkeward> alright, it's open
[00:34] <TheSkeward> and the disc is in
[00:35] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay you'll need to add the CD to your 'Software Sources'.  Unfortunately I don't have
[00:35] <newboon2age> Synaptic in front of me to direct you how to do that.  zkriesse could you help me?
[00:36] <TheSkeward> alright, figured it out
[00:36] <TheSkeward> it's in settings/repositories
[00:37] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: cool.  you check the square for 'CD blah blah Lucid' blah blah
[00:37] <TheSkeward> yes
[00:37] <newboon2age> TheSkeward:  and then when you close that window it will say something about things having changed i think
[00:37] <TheSkeward> yeah
[00:37] <TheSkeward> told me i needed to reload
[00:37] <TheSkeward> so i did
[00:38] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: oh good.  Now it will give you some error messages because its not connected to the internet right now
[00:38] <TheSkeward> right
[00:39] <newboon2age> and can't see most of the repositories, but it should add the CD properly.  Right here i should tell you
[00:40] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: that in the future (as long as you have the CD checked for Software Sources) it will give you error messages for when the CD is not in the drive.  Just so you know.  Its not a big deal.
[00:40] <TheSkeward> gotcha
[00:40] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: so now you can 'search' for modemmanager and let's see if its there...
[00:41] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: this part of what i'm showing you is handy to know anytime you're stuck without a network connection.  If its a package that's on the install disk you can still get it this way.
[00:41] <TheSkeward> yeah
[00:41] <TheSkeward> it's there
[00:42] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay for my info does it say
[00:42] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: its already installed?
[00:42] <TheSkeward> yes
[00:42] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: hmm... okay well let's try reinstalling it.
[00:42] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: do you see how that's done?
[00:44] <TheSkeward> no, i fon'y
[00:44] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: Its good to know how to use Synaptic because its a basic and clean way to get packages installed or removed from your system.  Sometimes using apt-get can get things discombobulated, whereas its harder to with Synaptic.
[00:44] <TheSkeward> don't*
[00:44] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: so check the box (maybe its a right click) and chose the 'reinstall' option.
[00:45] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: i should say the little box next to modemmanager
[00:45] <TheSkeward> it doesn't allow reinstall
[00:45] <TheSkeward> it allows mark for removal and mark for complete removal
[00:46] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay i think that means its not on the CD... hmmm...
[00:47] <TheSkeward> okay
[00:47] <TheSkeward> i think i was wrong
[00:47] <TheSkeward> and it is a driver problem
[00:48] <TheSkeward> because I've just noticed the light on the adapter is not on
[00:48] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: tell me more...
[00:48] <TheSkeward> despite it being plugged in
[00:48] <TheSkeward> and previously, when I ran windows, it was on
[00:48] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: is this one of those computers that has a button for turning it on or off?
[00:49] <TheSkeward> uh
[00:49] <TheSkeward> if you're asking me whether my computer has a power button, then yes
[00:49] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: turning the wireless on or off?
[00:50] <TheSkeward> not that i know of
[00:50] <TheSkeward> but at any rate even if it does, it would be on, because it was working earlier with xp
[00:51] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: actually i don't know if Ubuntu would pick up on a button signal or not.  I think there might be a software key combo on some computers, but again i don't know if ubuntu would pick up on that. Haven't experimented with that... anyway...
[00:52] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay, tell me about how you installed ndiswrapper.
[00:54] <TheSkeward> i downloaded it as a tarball from sourceforge
[00:55] <TheSkeward> and followed the readme's install instructions
[00:55] <newboon2age> TheSkewardu : oh and then did you unarchive it and then double click on it to run dpkg ?
[00:55] <TheSkeward> which were basically sudo make uninstall, sudo make, sudo install
[00:55] <TheSkeward> no.  it was manual.
[00:55] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: hmmm.... okay
[00:55] <TheSkeward> sudo make uninstall, sudo make, sudo make install*
[00:56] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: is this Ubuntu 10.04 by the way?
[00:56] <TheSkeward> yeah
[00:56] <newboon2age> while you're in synaptic, could you search for networkmanager?
[00:57] <newboon2age> and tell me if it allows reinstall? (not sure if we want to do that, but i want to know which version is installed and whether the one on the CD is the same version or not)
[00:58] <newboon2age> also it would be interesting to see what synaptic says when you search for ndiswrapper, and ndiswrapper-gtk
[01:00] <TheSkeward> alright
[01:01] <TheSkeward> network-manager is present but not available for reinstall.  ditto network-manager-gnome, ndiswrapper-common, and ndiswrapper-utils
[01:01] <TheSkeward> there's also ndisgtk, which can be reinstalled
[01:01] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: ok, that's cool that ndisgtk is there.
[01:02] <TheSkeward> yeah
[01:02] <TheSkeward> i installed that manually also
[01:02] <TheSkeward> got it as a .deb file from ubuntu.com
[01:02] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: great.  i'm glad.  Did you use it to install the driver?
[01:02] <TheSkeward> yes
[01:03] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: that's good because it avoids some pitfalls i believe.
[01:03] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: okay, somewhere along the line did you run 'Hardware Drivers'?
[01:04] <TheSkeward> uh, no, i don't know what you mean
[01:04] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: I'm not sure it will help but let's check it out anyway...  so go to
[01:04] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: System->Admin->Hardware Drivers
[01:05] <TheSkeward> says it's searching for available drivers
[01:05] <TheSkeward> now it says no proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[01:06] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: does it say anything about your ndiswrapper driver?
[01:07] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: or anything about wireless drivers?
[01:07] <TheSkeward> no
[01:07] <TheSkeward> nothing
[01:08] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: grrr.. okay, then that's not going to help us.
[01:08] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: so how about running System Check?
[01:09] <TheSkeward> what's it under?
[01:09] <newboon2age> TheSkeward: same as hardware driver
[01:09] <TheSkeward> system testing?
[01:09] <TheSkeward> or system monitor
[01:10] <newboon2age> testing
[01:11] <newboon2age> I'm going to move over to an ubuntu machine so I can do this better...
[01:12] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: okay now i'm on an ubuntu machine...
[01:13] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: you there?
[01:14] <TheSkeward> yeah
[01:14] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: I just started System Testing and when it allowed me to I unchecked all the tests except networking.
[01:14] <nUboon2Age> and then clicked next...
[01:15] <TheSkeward> alright
[01:15] <TheSkeward> i'll do that.
[01:15] <TheSkeward> alright
[01:15] <TheSkeward> it found the ethernet controller
[01:15] <TheSkeward> it noticed that i have no internet connection
[01:16] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: does it find the wireless controller also?
[01:16] <TheSkeward> no
[01:16] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: what is the brand/model of the controllers?
[01:17] <TheSkeward> the ethernet?
[01:17] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: does it see both?
[01:17] <TheSkeward> no
[01:17] <TheSkeward> i'm not even sure what a wireless controller is, or whether i have one
[01:17] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward:  on mine it lists them separately.
[01:18] <TheSkeward>  unless it's just the adapter
[01:18] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: yes, just the adapter
[01:18] <TheSkeward>  it does not list the adapter
[01:18] <nUboon2Age> hmmm...
[01:18] <TheSkeward> the ethernet controller is a broadcom corp netxtreme bcm5782 gigabit ethernet (rev 03)
[01:21] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: if you tell it no that's not correct and to do the test again does it show the wireless?
[01:21] <TheSkeward> no, it doesn't
[01:21] <TheSkeward> although it generates a report
[01:22] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: well the report will save us a lot of time w/ manually running various commands, so that' sgood...
[01:23] <TheSkeward> it's quite long
[01:23] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: okay look under lspci
[01:24] <TheSkeward> what am i looking for?
[01:24] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: and see if it lists your Belkin adapter (or anything else re: wireless)
[01:24] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: is this a built-in adapter or a usb one?
[01:24] <TheSkeward> no it does not
[01:24] <TheSkeward> it's a usb adapter
[01:25] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: aha!!! okay that makes a big difference...
[01:25] <TheSkeward> oh... sorry, if i'd known i would have told you earlier. =\
[01:25] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: okay i need to think about this a bit...
[01:26] <TheSkeward> in the terminal
[01:26] <TheSkeward> when i do lsusb
[01:26] <TheSkeward> bus 001 device 005: id 1799:8051
[01:26] <TheSkeward> that's the adapter
[01:27] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: It seems to me the problem could be that the system is not fully 'seeing' or maybe mounting the usb adaptor.
[01:27] <TheSkeward> likewwise, when i do ndiswrapper -l, it returns
[01:27] <TheSkeward> netmw245 : driver installed
[01:27] <TheSkeward> device (1799:8051) present
[01:28] <TheSkeward> so it knows it's there, at least to some extent
[01:28] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: but you say that lsusb sees it and ndiswrapper sees it.  hmm....
[01:28] <TheSkeward> and it thinks the driver is installed
[01:28] <TheSkeward> maybe i have the wrong driver?
[01:28] <TheSkeward> i used the one off the belkin website
[01:28] <TheSkeward> the one for xp
[01:28] <TheSkeward> although there were also vista drivers for it
[01:29] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: well that's possible.  but if you used the driver for that model for xp it seems to me that should be right...
[01:30] <asterismo> hi pedro3005
[01:30] <pedro3005> hey
[01:30] <asterismo> thisis the thing
[01:30] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: one thing i don't know is if there should be any kind of icon that pops up under places for a usb modem
[01:30] <asterismo> i have to change ttyS0 permissions from this
[01:31] <asterismo> crw-rw-rw- 1 root dialout 4, 64 2010-07-05 20:46 /dev/ttyS0
[01:31] <asterismo> to this
[01:31] <asterismo> crw-rw-rw- 1 root uucp 4, 64 2008-09-12 19:04 /dev/ttyS0
[01:31] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: if it did that would tell us that the higher levels of Ubuntu were seeing the modem.
[01:32] <asterismo> dialout ---> uucp
[01:32] <asterismo> dont know
[01:33] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: there are some ways to 'goose' or poke a USB device that might wake it up and make sure the system is working w/ it properly... let me see if I can find them...
[01:33] <pedro3005> asterismo, why do you need to do this?
[01:33] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: are you still w/ us?
[01:33] <asterismo> to be able to control a telescope
[01:33] <TheSkeward> yes i am
[01:33] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: okay, checking...
[01:33] <asterismo> the telescope interfase is through serialport
[01:34] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: did you just do an lsusb?
[01:34] <TheSkeward> yeah
[01:34] <asterismo> uucp is also a package
[01:34] <pedro3005> asterismo, this could help http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/suse-linux-help/67179-dev-ttys0-permissions-issue.html#post394703
[01:34] <asterismo> checking
[01:35] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: just for kicks can you do the mouseover thing...
[01:35] <TheSkeward> "No network connection"
[01:36] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: how about ifconfig?
[01:37] <TheSkeward> okay, i ran it
[01:37] <TheSkeward> what am i looking for?
[01:38] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: what does it say?
[01:39] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: (i'm trying to figure out if there's switch for ifconfig we need to use or what have you)
[01:39] <asterismo> but i cant find this filer
[01:39] <asterismo> file
[01:39] <asterismo> /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules
[01:39] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: okay i just ran ifconfig on my system
[01:39] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: and what i get is a listing for wlan0
[01:39] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: do you get that?
[01:40] <asterismo> i will just create that file withthat line anyway
[01:40] <asterismo> but there is no line tochange because file does not exist
[01:40] <TheSkeward> um
[01:40] <TheSkeward> no
[01:41] <TheSkeward> nothing abut wlan0
[01:41] <TheSkeward> i get a listing for 'eth0' and 'lo'
[01:41] <TheSkeward> which are link encaps for Ethernat and for Local loopback
[01:41] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: okay... researching...
[01:42] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: you said  Belkin N1 wireless adapter, model F5D8051, ver 2000
[01:42] <TheSkeward> that's correct
[01:43] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: i'm looking over at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/22715
[01:45] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: on the last answer by Vijal there are some steps that might be useful
[01:46] <TheSkeward> i've done the first six steps
[01:46] <TheSkeward> i'll start with -m and go from there
[01:47] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: on #5, did you invoke it w/ the xxxx:xxxx number or just ndiswrapper?
[01:48] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: yes, the problem could be that it hasn't been modprobed yet. although i think ndisgtk should take care of that for you.
[01:49] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: its also possible that the correct driver has been marked 'blacklisted' in the configuration files.
[01:50] <TheSkeward> just ndiswrapper
[01:51] <TheSkeward> i tried iwconfig, and it said neither of the connections have wireless extensions, btw
[01:51] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: okay so if you could do it w/ the xxxx:xxxx like what Vijal says i'd like to see what it says.
[01:54] <TheSkeward> i'm not sure what i need to put for <nameofdriverhere> in that tutorial
[01:54] <nUboon2Age> (If your unsure of the name, do a ndiswrapper -l and not it down)
[01:57] <TheSkeward> oh
[01:57] <TheSkeward> can't believe i missed that, sorry
[01:58] <TheSkeward> alright, when i do that
[01:58] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: i didn't see it right off either
[01:58] <TheSkeward> the -e
[01:58] <TheSkeward> it shows me the available options, and -e doesn't exist
[02:00] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: hmmm... it must be an option from an earlier version of ndiswrapper...  how about -l ?
[02:01] <TheSkeward> -l returns a list of installed drivers
[02:01] <TheSkeward> oh, nvm
[02:01] <TheSkeward> i see that -e is an earlier argument that removes it
[02:01] <TheSkeward> it's been replaced by -r now
[02:01] <TheSkeward> i'll just do that
[02:01] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: on mine it gives the driver but not that lovely 'hardware working' message Vijal talks about...
[02:02] <TheSkeward> on mine it says device present, figured that's what she meant
[02:02] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: i don't think you want to run the -r do you?
[02:02] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: doesn't that remove the driver?
[02:03] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: well it can always be reinstalled if so...
[02:04] <TheSkeward> yeah
[02:04] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: so whereyat?
[02:04] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: did you remove the driver?
[02:04] <TheSkeward> yes i did
[02:05] <TheSkeward> i still have it on my desktop
[02:05] <nUboon2Age> okay, no prob
[02:05] <TheSkeward> so like you say, i can reinstall it
[02:05] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: maybe that's a good thing...
[02:05] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: to reinstall it...
[02:05] <nUboon2Age> I'd still use ndisgtk though
[02:07] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: is that what you're doing now?  I go to
[02:07] <TheSkeward> okay
[02:07] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: System->Admin->Windows Wireless Drivers
[02:08] <TheSkeward> i followed the next few steps of vijal's advice
[02:08] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: oh, okay and...???
[02:08] <TheSkeward> when i infconfig wlan0 up
[02:08] <TheSkeward> it said error - no such device
[02:09] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: well at least that's some feedback.
[02:09] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: Try it with System->Admin->Windows Wireless Drivers
[02:09] <TheSkeward>  AHA
[02:09] <TheSkeward> HAHAHAHAHA
[02:09] <TheSkeward> PROGRESS
[02:09] <TheSkeward> AWESOME
[02:09] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: yes?
[02:09] <TheSkeward> i just reinstalled it in windows wireless drivers and the light on the router started blinking
[02:10] <TheSkeward> YES IT JUST CONNECTED TO THE WIFI
[02:10] <TheSkeward> MUAHAHAHA
[02:10] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: YES!!!
[02:10] <TheSkeward> thank you so much for your help, nUboon2Age
[02:10] <TheSkeward> after the first hour or so i became more and more convinced it wasn't going to work
[02:10] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: certainly... the first challenge i ever ran into
[02:10] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: w/ Linux was one of these blasted wireless configuration things.
[02:11] <TheSkeward> this is my second try at running linux
[02:11] <TheSkeward> the first time wireless configuration scared me away
[02:11] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: so I have a special place in my Ubuntu-loving heart for helping folks w/ their wirless probs.
[02:11] <TheSkeward> i'm abouto connect on my machine
[02:12] <nUboon2Age> TheSkeward: yeah, check it out and make sure its working...
[02:12] <TheSkewbuntuard> awesome
[02:12] <TheSkewbuntuard> excellent.
[02:12] <TheSkewbuntuard> thank you so much nUboon2Age.
[02:13] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: so it must have been Windows Wireless Drivers
[02:13] <TheSkewbuntuard> yeah
[02:13] <TheSkewbuntuard> well
[02:13] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: that did the trick
[02:13] <TheSkewbuntuard> i'm actually thinking the modprobe was the necessary bit
[02:13] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: that is ndisgtk
[02:13] <TheSkewbuntuard> i could be wrong
[02:13] <TheSkewbuntuard> but yeah
[02:13] <TheSkewbuntuard> it's done, that's the important part
[02:13] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: yeah that would make sense.
[02:13] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: now i thin
[02:13] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: think that it will have
[02:14] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: added the modprobe command to the
[02:14] <nUboon2Age> proper file so that it will automatically
[02:14] <TheSkewbuntuard> right.  that's what -m does
[02:14] <TheSkewbuntuard> as i understand it, anyway
[02:14] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: come up next time you boot.
[02:14] <nUboon2Age> rockin' TheSkewbuntuard.  Excellante.  Its so much better
[02:15] <TheSkewbuntuard> why the fragmented posting btw?
[02:15] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: when we can get it done on one try.
[02:15] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: wasn't sure if you were in a hurry to boogie...
[02:15] <TheSkewbuntuard> oh, I see
[02:15] <TheSkewbuntuard> well, kinda
[02:15] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: no prob
[02:16] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: maybe you can
[02:16] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: come back here in the future
[02:16] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: and provide help to others
[02:16] <TheSkewbuntuard> I am on the uberman sleep schedule and I am late for my 8PM nap.  So I will just lurk here and i'll be back in 20-30 minutes and i'll probably chill here for the rest of the night
[02:16] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: one other thing
[02:16] <TheSkewbuntuard> i'm not sure i'm at a stage where I'm of much use to anyone yet, but I'll definitely help people to the best of my abilities
[02:16] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: its great to post questions and what worked to forums.ubuntu.org
[02:17] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: so others can benefit from it too...
[02:17] <TheSkewbuntuard> alright, i'll do that
[02:17] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: cool, well hope things are great at Auburn (is it?)  My gf is from Alabama...
[02:17] <TheSkewbuntuard> back soon
[02:18] <TheSkewbuntuard> yeah
[02:18] <TheSkewbuntuard> auburn uni
[02:18] <TheSkewbuntuard> i'm not from here
[02:18] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: have a good un
[02:18] <TheSkewbuntuard> and I dislike alabama
[02:18] <TheSkewbuntuard> but the college isn't bad
[02:18] <TheSkewbuntuard> see you in 20
[02:18] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: sorry for that.  haven't been myself..
[02:18] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: see ya
[02:24] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: sorry that should have been ubuntuforums.org or forums.ubuntu.com
[02:50] <nUboon2Age> TheSkewbuntuard: just to clarify, ndisgtk/Windows Wireless Drivers handled the ndiswrapper and modprobe configuration and presumably also added the necessary modprobe command to the right configuration file ( /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper.conf i think) so it will auto start on next boot up.
[02:53] <nUboon2Age> some modules get listed in the /etc/modules file, but apparently this isn't necessary for ndiswrapper since it looks all the .conf files in the /etc/modprobe.d/ get processed upon boot up.
[02:55] <nUboon2Age> instead of 'it looks all' i should say 'Ubuntu looks at all'
[03:02] <nUboon2Age> Also I just realized that the simple way to get a package onto this machine that was not connected to web would have been to get the .deb file on another computer, transfer it using a USB pen drive, and then use doubleclick on the .deb file to auromatically run the gui package manager.
[03:08] <nUboon2Age> Note to self: According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes , the version of 'upstart' in Karmic no longer uses the /etc/event.d/ configuration on start up,instead the /etc/init/ files are used.
[03:09] <nUboon2Age> (slight correction) Note to self: According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseNotes , the version of 'upstart' in Karmic no longer uses the /etc/event.d/ configuration files on start up,instead the /etc/init/ files are used.
[03:18] <st33med> I think he left...
[04:29] <newboon2age> st33med: yup, those notes are for me and others as much as for him.  if i put them in they'll be in the log for me and others to find later...
[08:14] <zkriesse> hello DJFrog
[08:15] <DJFrog> Hello...I am brand new and exploring right now. this is really cool.
[08:15] <zkriesse> nice
[08:15]  * zkriesse is brand new too
[08:16] <zkriesse> well not new
[08:16] <zkriesse> i'm not new at all...
[08:16] <zkriesse> so how you liking ubuntu? i assume that's what you're usign?
[08:17] <DJFrog> yes and very much
[08:17] <zkriesse> sweet
[08:18] <DJFrog> I do have a question...could you direct me to the best place to find out about hardware compatibility? namely Unbuntu on a Black Shuttle X50V2 All-in-One PC System
[08:18] <zkriesse> 10.04?
[08:18] <zkriesse> hmm
[08:18] <zkriesse> lemme see
[08:18] <zkriesse> dray come 'er for a sec
[08:18] <ddecator> there's a wiki page, but idk how up-to-date it really is :/
[08:18] <zkriesse> !hardware
[08:18] <ubot2> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[08:19] <ddecator> zkriesse: is that what you wanted me for? haha
[08:19] <zkriesse> lol
[08:19] <kermiac> haha
[08:19] <zkriesse> dray i guess so
[08:19] <zkriesse> kermit!
[08:19] <ddecator> fair enough
[08:19] <kermiac> where's the frong?
[08:19] <zkriesse> kermiac: i'm gonna call you kermit from now on
[08:19] <kermiac> frog, even hehe
[08:20] <kermiac> zkriesse: only if i can call you miss piggy
[08:20] <kermiac> :P
[08:20] <ddecator> even better: kermiac is green on irssi right now :)
[08:20] <zkriesse> kermiac: fuck that
[08:20] <kermiac> !language
[08:20] <ubot2> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[08:20] <ddecator> heh
[08:20] <zkriesse> kermiac: you forgot the > zkriesse
[08:20] <zkriesse> !language | zkriesse
[08:20] <ubot2> zkriesse, please see my private message
[08:20]  * kermiac goes back to hiding in the team channel
[08:20]  * zkriesse drags kermiac back
[08:20] <kermiac> nooooo!
[08:21] <zkriesse> DJFrog: as i'm sure you can tell we're a crazy fun lot here
[08:22] <DJFrog> Yup...thanks for your help
[08:22] <ddecator> but we do help people with issues when they come to us with them :)
[08:22] <kermiac> yeah, it's not *all* craziness hehe
[08:22] <zkriesse> heh
[08:22] <zkriesse> don't believe them DJFrog!  Thanks again...see ya!
[08:24] <zkriesse> lol
[08:24] <zkriesse> come again DJFrog..we won't bite....yet
[11:05] <zkriesse> hello philinux
[11:08] <philinux> o/ morning
[11:08] <zkriesse> night time for me
[11:08] <zkriesse> well it's five am but i've not been to bed yet
[11:08] <philinux> Ah mornineveninaft
[11:09] <philinux> fave am is mornin lol
[11:09] <philinux> How come you still up
[11:09] <zkriesse> meetings
[11:09] <zkriesse> and i'm weird
[11:09] <philinux> blimey
[11:37] <bobo123> good morning
[11:39] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:40] <bobo123> how do I turn off the darkgrey-ing of non responsive windows? ok it is irritating that the applications is so bad written that they go sleeping now and then (quite often with Firefox and Transmission I say), but the graying of the windows is more irritating
[14:13] <duanedesign> hello phillw
[14:34] <phillw> hi duanedesign
[15:18] <duanedesign> hey phillw. you pinged me the other day. Just making sure you still didnt need something
[15:46] <phillw> hi, cannot recall what it was for, so I guess it must have got sorted !!
[16:05] <duanedesign> phillw: :)
[16:09] <philinux> Hi duane
[16:09] <duanedesign> hello phillw
[16:09] <duanedesign> err philinux
[16:09] <duanedesign> :P
[16:09] <philinux> haha
[16:09] <phillw> hi philinux
[16:10] <philinux> o/
[16:37] <dn> !sha5
[16:37] <ubot2> Factoid 'sha5' not found
[16:37] <dn> !password-generation
[16:37] <ubot2> dn: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:38] <dn> trust me ubot2 no risk of that
[17:41] <insider> Need assistance, Konqueror file manager 3.5.1 does not save my view mode for each folder individually, i changed /home/user/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc Main View Mode but it didn't help
[17:53] <xsaiddx> hello guysdoes anyone kno the fix of this bug
[17:54] <xsaiddx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/531027
[17:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 531027 in ubuntu "spurious warning at boot time that is unrelated to your actual problem (dup-of: 532984)" [Undecided,New]
[17:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 532984 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 3 won't boot on HP Compaq Pentium 4; displays an irrelevant Glib warning on the console (affects: 104) (dups: 3) (heat: 256)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[17:54] <xsaiddx> ubot2: you tlk to me ?
[17:54] <ubot2> Factoid 'you tlk to me ?' not found
[17:55] <phillw> xsaiddx:  the ubot is bot for the channel, it will go grab information when you type in  a bug, so we get to see the title of the bug
[17:56] <philinux> 585940
[17:56] <xsaiddx> phillw: LOOOL@me
[17:56] <xsaiddx> i tho its guy
[17:57] <philinux> ubot2: 585940
[17:57] <ubot2> Factoid '585940' not found
[17:57] <philinux> How u get it to reteive the bug title
[17:58] <philinux> still green on irc
[17:59] <holstein> hmmm
[18:00] <kosaidpo> holstein: can u help me with this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/531027
[18:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 531027 in ubuntu "spurious warning at boot time that is unrelated to your actual problem (dup-of: 532984)" [Undecided,New]
[18:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 532984 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 3 won't boot on HP Compaq Pentium 4; displays an irrelevant Glib warning on the console (affects: 104) (dups: 3) (heat: 256)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:00] <holstein> https://bugs.lauchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/585940
[18:00] <kosaidpo> : )
[18:00] <philinux> Ah
[18:01] <kosaidpo> philinux: what ?
[18:01] <holstein> https://bugs.lauchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/585940
[18:01] <holstein> ubot2: https://bugs.lauchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/585940
[18:01] <ubot2> holstein: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[18:01] <holstein> lol
[18:01] <holstein> philinux: ;)
[18:01] <philinux> Thats how it gets bug title
[18:02] <holstein> not sure
[18:02] <philinux> LOL
[18:02] <philinux> That bug report page is timing out
[18:02] <holstein> philinux: did you just file it?
[18:03] <philinux> Which one?
[18:03] <holstein> 585940
[18:03] <holstein> hey kosaidpo :)
[18:03]  * holstein looking
[18:03] <philinux> Ah no but I've been on the website IRC channel to get some info
[18:03] <kosaidpo> holstein: hello : )
[18:03] <kosaidpo> holstein: you saw that bug ?
[18:03] <kosaidpo> i cant find the fix on the net
[18:04] <philinux> Problem loading page
[18:05] <holstein> kosaidpo: i got nothing
[18:06] <holstein> but it looks like a lot of folks are looking at it
[18:06] <holstein> philinux: maybe theres not a bug 585940
[18:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 41) (heat: 214)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585940
[18:06] <philinux> The connection has timed out The server at bugs.lauchpad.net is taking too long to respond.
[18:06] <holstein> there it goes :)
[18:06] <philinux> ah so bug 585940
[18:07] <philinux> bot does what
[18:07] <philinux> I wish they's sort the bandwidth out at launchpad
[18:08] <kosaidpo> holstein: okies thnaks : )
[18:09] <hobgoblin> philinux: +1 to that
[18:09] <philinux> hobgoblin: Maybe I should raise a bug ;)
[18:10] <hobgoblin> philinux: go for it - if you can open the page ...
[18:10] <philinux> LOL
[18:11] <philinux> ubuntu-bug launchpad > Package launchpad does not exist
[18:11] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/585940
[18:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585940 in ubuntu-website "Text reads "not recommended" for 64-bit (affects: 41) (heat: 214)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[18:12] <philinux> The bot got it in the end
[18:12] <kosaidpo> btw guys why i have no Xorg.conf ??
[18:12] <kosaidpo> im on lubuntu by the way
[18:13] <hobgoblin> gone a long time - install a driver like nvidia or ati and you will end up with one
[18:14] <philinux> You dont need xorg.conf
[18:14] <kosaidpo> hobgoblin: i guess i have that messa one
[18:14] <kosaidpo> and idont kno why
[18:14] <kosaidpo> when i try to install the non-fee nethin work
[18:14] <hobgoblin> messa?
[18:15] <kosaidpo> well im not sure of the name but the free driver for ati
[18:15] <kosaidpo> its mesa or messa not sure
[18:15] <philinux> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/602360
[18:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602360 in ubuntu "Launchpad: The server at bugs.lauchpad.net is taking too long to respond. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:15] <hobgoblin> oh - ati
[18:15] <philinux> Antone like to pop along and change the status to confirmed
[18:16] <hobgoblin> I will
[18:16] <philinux> Cheers
[18:16]  * philinux cheers hobgoblin o/
[18:17] <hobgoblin> I shall subscribe to read the bug invalid comment
[18:19] <philinux> That was quick
[18:19] <philinux> Yep it might get an invalid
[18:20] <hobgoblin> it will - if they sorted the bandwidth - they'd get more bugs - and they don't bother with most of them as it is :D
[18:21] <philinux> hobgoblin: this irc is wicked, I've been pestering the mozilla-team and the ubuntu website team today
[18:21] <hobgoblin> why?
[18:22] <philinux> The website thing about 64 bit not being recommend for desktop
[18:22] <philinux> And mozilla re new bookmarks for livecd Firefox
[18:23] <philinux> They were very helpful
[18:23] <hobgoblin> oh right - yea that is an odd thing for the site to say
[18:23] <hobgoblin> what's up with the bookmarks?
[18:23] <phillw> hobgoblin: I know that they're recruiting for triagers - I'll put your name forward :p
[18:23] <hobgoblin> yea - go ahead
[18:23] <philinux> Bug was languishing and got no rewply from emails I sent
[18:24] <philinux> hobgoblin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1522006
[18:24] <hobgoblin> have no interest in bugs or programming, hence never really complian about the state of things
[18:24] <hobgoblin> and tbh I am losing interest in ubuntu completely atm
[18:25] <philinux> Bookmarks on livecd not good need updating. There isn't even a link the ubuntuforums
[18:25] <philinux> Why losing interest
[18:25] <hobgoblin> long story - not for this channel
[18:25] <philinux> Ah ok
[19:13] <zkriesse> hello merge and ikonia
[19:14] <merge> hi
[20:23] <philinux> o/
[20:30] <philinux> Nobody got prpblems that's good
[22:25] <itexus> Hi, im trying to install ubuntu server mounted on a USB memstick. But it keeps insisting that its something wrong with the "CD" and cant copy files :/
[22:25] <itexus> I dont even have a optical drive installed in that computer.
[22:26] <itexus> I have installed ubuntu server on the memorystick using the USB installer for pendrive linux
[22:26] <itexus> from*
[22:27] <zkriesse> hey vantrax
[22:28] <itexus> please help ^^
[22:28] <zkriesse> itexus: have you joined #ubuntu-server?
[22:28] <zkriesse> i mean #ubuntuserver
[22:28] <itexus> oh ok. will do that then thanks
[22:28] <zkriesse> wait
[22:28] <zkriesse> wrong channel
[22:28] <zkriesse> i can't remember it!
[22:29] <zkriesse> argh
[22:29] <itexus> ^^
[22:30] <itexus> I looked at the chanlist before i connected and it didnt say it had one. got help in #ubuntu though.
[22:30] <zkriesse> ok
[22:30] <ddecator> #ubuntu-servers i think
[22:30] <ddecator> or #ubuntu-server
[22:30] <ddecator> one of the two
[22:30] <ddecator> i know there is one
[22:30] <zkriesse> same here ddecator
[22:31] <ddecator> it's #ubuntu-server: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[22:32] <phillw> itexus: have you tried putting on the minimal installation onto the usb stick, then using tasksel to install the LAMP part?


[02:46] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: hey! I'd like to know, what are fridge editors jobs, or what should they do?
[03:16] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: we keep an eye out for important announcements in the community (see fridge.ubuntu.com) and then format them and post them on fridge
[03:16] <JoseeAntonioR> Can I be part of the team? I'd like to help with it.
[03:17] <pleia2> sure, the first step is getting you an account on fridge, what's your launchpad id and an email address we should use (preferably not @ubuntu.com)
[03:18] <JoseeAntonioR> https://launchpad.net/~joseeantonior = joseeantonior
[03:18] <JoseeAntonioR> and for the email address, use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:20] <pleia2> gah, I am doing too many things at once
[03:21] <JoseeAntonioR> don't worry, we can do this later
[03:21] <JoseeAntonioR> finish what you're doing first :)
[03:22] <pleia2> ok, you should receive an email
[03:22] <pleia2> once you log in, go to "Users" and select "Your OpenIDs"
[03:23] <pleia2> then add: https://launchpad.net/~joseeantonior
[03:23] <pleia2> you'll want to use that to log in from now on (rather than the username/password)
[03:24] <JoseeAntonioR> great, I'll wait for the email to arrive
[03:24] <JoseeAntonioR> then, I'll do everything
[03:25] <pleia2> ok, might want to check your spam folder too in case it landed there, shouldn't take long to receive it
[03:27] <JoseeAntonioR> ok :)
[03:32] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, haven't got the email, and nothing in the spam folder
[03:32] <pleia2> :\
[03:32] <pleia2> I can reset the password and email directly myself
[03:34] <pleia2> sent
[03:34] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, great! thanks!
[03:35] <pleia2> so, next time we have some news to get out, if you're in channel I'll see if you're available and you can give a try to formatting it, I (or akgraner) will review it and publish
[03:36] <JoseeAntonioR> perfect, just check my away message, because I'm using ZNC at the moment
[03:36] <pleia2> usually we need to get news out immediately, so you'll have to be around
[03:36] <pleia2> are you subscribed to the ubuntu-news-team list?
[03:37] <pleia2> people send stuff there and ask us to post it too, we'll talk about it here and then post it if we feel it's appropriate
[03:37] <pleia2> a recent example: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2012-March/001522.html
[03:37] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll check, don't remember exactly
[03:38] <JoseeAntonioR> wasn't suscribed, I'll suscribe inmediately
[03:38] <pleia2> :)
[03:39] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/EditorGuidelines is worth a read
[03:39] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, now I'm suscribed, reading the wiki
[03:41] <JoseeAntonioR> great, will take everything in consideration
[03:42] <Unit193> I normally grab her in some other unrelated channel, but I also don't normally have anything.
[03:48] <JoseeAntonioR> well, I'll try to be as updated as possible, and not to miss news
[03:58] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: it really boils down to who is lurking when news comes in :)
[03:59] <JoseeAntonioR> If something pops-up, just ping me, and I'll be happy to help
[03:59] <JoseeAntonioR> I have to go to bed, 11pm over here
[04:06] <pleia2> good night :)
[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:25] <bkerensa> dholbach: Hello I am hoping to have a interview back from cjwatson for this issue
[07:26] <dholbach> nice
[07:28] <dholbach> bkerensa, I thought you'd take a break after your birthday and everything? :)
[07:28] <bkerensa> dholbach: my work apparently neverends
[07:28] <bkerensa> :D
[07:29] <dholbach> :-)
[07:29] <bkerensa> dholbach: I just wanted to get that interview in.... can you ping cjwatson by morning and ask him if to e-mail the answers to you?
[07:30]  * bkerensa is going to go sleep soon I have a electrician coming to re-do all of my electric receptacles tomorrow
[07:30] <dholbach> bkerensa, can you maybe send a quick email to him and CC me? that might be easiest
[08:14] <SilverLion> morning folks
[08:36] <SilverLion> morning Myrtti
[19:24] <SilverLion> ok now i am really frustrated :(
[19:24] <SilverLion> just saying
[19:45] <akgraner> SilverLion, why?
[19:46] <SilverLion> akgraner, i am trying to migrate fully to linux but a software i really need to work doesnt work in Linux Mint :(
[19:46] <akgraner> :-( sorry to hear that
[19:46] <akgraner> bummer
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> SilverLion; which software is that?
[19:50] <SilverLion> MrChrisDruif, SIGIL
[20:20] <MrChrisDruif> SilverLion; http://alternativeto.net/software/sigil/?profile=linux&platform=linux ?
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> pleia2; did/does Xubuntu have a meeting this week?
[21:28] <pleia2> MrChrisDruif: no
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, just checking ^_^


[04:52] <Flannel> That one was just an ops call.  I'm waiting for logs to come up for the previous.
[04:53] <Flannel> same person/IP though, so likely just a random ops call.


[00:02] <Rocket2DMn> We'll wait a few minutes for bodhi
[00:03] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: k, no worries, No one else booked meeting after us.
[00:03] <drs305> Rocket2DMn: While we are waiting, can I ask you a question about the quizzes?
[00:03] <Rocket2DMn> yeah drs305
[00:04] <drs305> Has there ever been discussion about when a quiz is given (i.e. scheduled vs spru of the moment)?
[00:04] <drs305> * spur  ( I hate sprus)
[00:04] <Rocket2DMn> no, it's always just been spur of the moment (i.e. whenever bodhi got to it)
[00:08] <Rocket2DMn> #startmeeting
[00:08] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:08. The chair is Rocket2DMn.
[00:08] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:08] <Rocket2DMn> Ok, bodhi hasn't shown up, so we'll start without him
[00:08] <Rocket2DMn> let's just run down the focus groups, hopefully he'll be here for the main agenda
[00:09] <Rocket2DMn> Development FG? I don't see paultag
[00:09] <Rocket2DMn> Education FG? I don't see any leads for them either
[00:09] <Rocket2DMn> IRC?
[00:10] <drs305> Nobody's around in August...
[00:10] <Rocket2DMn> Launchpad? Security? Stalking?
[00:10] <Rocket2DMn> jgoguen, YNU FG?
[00:10] <Raidsong> i think its dev
[00:10] <starcraftman> guess this is gonna be a quiet meeting...
[00:10] <jgoguen> Rocket2DMn: Not much to say ATM. We've got a bunch of users, thinking about a meeting soon :)
[00:11] <Rocket2DMn> cool jgoguen , don't wait to set one up, summer is starting to wind down for people
[00:11] <jgoguen> Rocket2DMn: We were thinking soon, next week or so
[00:12] <Rocket2DMn> Sounds good
[00:12] <Rocket2DMn> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[00:12] <Rocket2DMn> let's start with the main agenda then
[00:13] <Rocket2DMn> [TOPIC] Folding@Home and the #ubuntu-folding channel
[00:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Folding@Home and the #ubuntu-folding channel
[00:13] <Rocket2DMn> swoody, you're up
[00:13] <swoody> Thanks Rocket2DMn, I'll make this short for everyone :)
[00:13] <swoody> I just wanted to make a brief annoucement to everyone here about the Folding@Home project.
[00:13] <swoody> For those of you who don't know what Folding@Home is, it's a distributed computing project that was started by Stanford University.
[00:14] <swoody> F@H uses your computer's spare processing power to assist researchers in folding proteins.
[00:14] <swoody> The work that's being done by the F@H project is giving scientists a better understanding of how certain diseases develop, and can lead to cures for diseases such as Parkinson's, Huntington's, Alzheimers, and cancer amoung many others.
[00:14] <swoody> I feel that it's a very worthy project, and I also believe that this project ties in greatly with Ubuntu's philosiphy of giving back to the greater community.
[00:15] <swoody> For some more info on the project or to find out how you can help out, plese drop by our channel at #ubuntu-folding, or check out:
[00:15] <swoody> [LINK] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome
[00:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome
[00:16] <swoody> and if there's no questions.....
[00:16] <drs305> Is there just one Ubuntu team now?
[00:16] <swoody> drs305:  ah, yes! The multiple teams that used to be are now united under Tem Ubuntu :)
[00:17] <swoody> Team Ubuntu**
[00:17] <drs305> ty
[00:17] <starcraftman> Only thing ya might want to add swoody is mentioning origami installer, very handy.
[00:18] <swoody> yes, thank you starcraftman :)
[00:18] <swoody> There are a number of ways to install the F@H client on your computer. Most of them are very simple (2 commands
[00:18] <swoody> ) and very painless :)
[00:19] <swoody> Anyone want to toss out anything else, or have any questions?
[00:19] <Raidsong> can you give us the commands?
[00:20] <swoody> to install origami it's simply 'sudo apt-get install origami'...
[00:21] <swoody> then to set it up would be "sudo origami install [-t TEAMNUMBER -u FOLDINGUSER ]"
[00:21] <starcraftman> For more information on the origami installer (including more advanced options see:
[00:21] <starcraftman> [LINK] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome/origami
[00:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome/origami
[00:21] <swoody> ah, thank you starcraftman :)
[00:22] <swoody> and that should be about it then :)
[00:22] <starcraftman> swoody: no problem, always here to help.
[00:22] <Rocket2DMn> Cool project swoody , thank you for sharing
[00:22] <swoody> Again, if anyone has any questions, please feel free to drop by #ubuntu-folding
[00:22] <swoody> ty Rocket2DMn :)
[00:23] <Rocket2DMn> [TOPIC] Remove Beginners Team Calendar
[00:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Remove Beginners Team Calendar
[00:23] <Raidsong> ill run this on both of my computers
[00:23] <nhandler> I can talk about this Rocket2DMn
[00:23] <Rocket2DMn> floor is yours nhandler
[00:23] <nhandler> Pretty much, we started using a separate calendar due to the closed nature of the old fridge (and because we had meetings in #ubuntuforums-beginners)
[00:23] <nhandler> Now, we use #ubuntu-meeting and the Fridge for our main meetings
[00:24] <nhandler> I see it as a waste of time duplicating this on our own calendar that not many people subscribe to
[00:24] <nhandler> If there are no objections, I would like to go ahead and get the BT calendar deleted
[00:24] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, let's get bodhi's final approval on that before we shut it down
[00:25] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: Of course. But I would like to get a vote at this meeting as well
[00:25] <superbenny> is there really any work that goes into it? i dont see any reason why we cant just leave it there for people, such as myself who do use it
[00:25] <Rocket2DMn> I also use it, perhaps we should just remove it from the wiki page?
[00:25] <nhandler> superbenny: Might I ask why you use that instead of the normal Fridge calendar?
[00:25] <Rocket2DMn> gcal it sends email reminders
[00:26] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: The Fridge is a gcal now
[00:26] <superbenny> no idea, that was just the one on the wiki. also, is the fridge cal only bt items?
[00:26] <Rocket2DMn> link?
[00:26] <nhandler> superbenny: No, it has items for all Ubuntu teams
[00:26] <superbenny> as of right now, I'm not really involved in much outside of the BT.
[00:26] <nhandler> [link] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[00:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[00:26] <starcraftman> Long as the fgs and main teem meetings are all consolidated into the fridge calendar I'm fine with it, means no duplication like I get now.
[00:26] <superbenny> so it just keeps useless events off of my calendar
[00:27] <nhandler> starcraftman: Most FG don't even use the BT calendar. However, I think it would be fine to have them use the Fridge calendar
[00:27] <superbenny> now, if there is someone who sits there and devotes more than 10 minutes to it, then its reasonable to delete it, but as far as i'm aware, its just an auto-repeating event every other tuesday
[00:28] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, can you schedule events on the fridge calendar that aren't held in this channel?
[00:28] <superbenny> in which case, no harm can come from leaving it as-is
[00:28] <nhandler> superbenny: As of a few weeks ago, it is auto-repeating. I have no issue leaving it like that. However, I have no plans on correcting it for the few instances we get off schedule (which happen around US holidays and such)
[00:28] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: Yes
[00:28] <swoody> +1 if that is the case superbenny
[00:28] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: For example, we use it for classroom sessions that are in #ubuntu-classroom
[00:29] <nhandler> The Doc Team has also used it for meetings in #ubuntu-doc
[00:29] <Rocket2DMn> ok, shall we put it to a vote then?
[00:29] <nhandler> Sure
[00:30] <Rocket2DMn> are we voting to close it down, or just to remove it from the wiki page?
[00:30] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: I would make the vote to "stop using it". We would start referencing the Fridge on the wiki, and I (and other people) would stop updating the BT calendar
[00:31] <superbenny> sounds good to me.
[00:31] <Rocket2DMn> [VOTE] Stop using the BT Google Calendar and only use The Fridge instead?
[00:31] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Stop using the BT Google Calendar and only use The Fridge instead?.
[00:31] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:31] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:31] <nhandler> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:31] <andrew_46> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from andrew_46. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:31] <Rocket2DMn> 0
[00:31] <swoody> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from swoody. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:31] <starcraftman> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from starcraftman. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:31] <Raidsong> +1
[00:31] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: +0
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from Raidsong. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[00:31] <superbenny> +1
[00:31] <MootBot> +1 received from superbenny. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:31] <Rocket2DMn> +0
[00:31] <MootBot> Abstention received from Rocket2DMn. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:32] <Rocket2DMn> any more votes?
[00:32] <duanedes1gn> +0
[00:32] <MootBot> Abstention received from duanedes1gn. 6 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 6
[00:32] <Rocket2DMn> [ENDVOTE]
[00:32] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 6
[00:33] <Rocket2DMn> [AGREED] Stop using BT Google Calendar.  Use Fridge instead.
[00:33] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Stop using BT Google Calendar.  Use Fridge instead.
[00:33] <nhandler> Just as a note, only BT members should be participating in these votes
[00:33] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, you want the action to double check with bodhi and remove it from wiki?
[00:33] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: That is fine
[00:34] <Rocket2DMn> [ACTION] nhandler to check removal of GCal and remove from wiki
[00:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nhandler to check removal of GCal and remove from wiki
[00:34] <Rocket2DMn> I'll postpone the next agenda item since bodhi isn't here
[00:34] <Rocket2DMn> [TOPIC] Drop ##beginners-classroom
[00:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Drop ##beginners-classroom
[00:34] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, you're up again
[00:35] <nhandler> We stopped using ##beginners-classroom in favor of #ubuntu-classroom a while ago
[00:35] <nhandler> This is why we did not create a #ubuntu-beginners-classroom when we renamed the team
[00:35] <nhandler> As a result, I see no reason to keep this unused channel open, and I propose dropping it
[00:36] <Rocket2DMn> How do we go about removing it?
[00:36] <Rocket2DMn> is it just a matter of not referencing it on the wiki anymore?
[00:36] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: Bodhi would do a /msg ChanServ drop ##beginners-classroom
[00:36] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: I'm not even sure if it is referenced still on the wiki
[00:36] <Rocket2DMn> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups
[00:36] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups
[00:36] <Rocket2DMn> it's still listed there
[00:37] <swoody> nhandler:  The channel hasn't been used for anything recently?
[00:37] <nhandler> swoody: Correct
[00:37] <nhandler> We moved to #ubuntu-classroom
[00:37] <Rocket2DMn> ok, does anybody want to voice any objections?
[00:37] <swoody> nhandler:  Ah, I don't forsee any objections then :)
[00:38] <starcraftman> I got nothing.
[00:38] <superbenny> nor do i...
[00:38] <Rocket2DMn> ok, I don't think we need to vote on that
[00:38] <Rocket2DMn> that's really a FG decision
[00:38] <nhandler> I'll talk to bodhi and get it dropped then
[00:39]  * nhandler -> dinner
[00:39] <Rocket2DMn> [ACTION] nhandler to talk to bodhi - remove ##beginners-classroom
[00:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nhandler to talk to bodhi - remove ##beginners-classroom
[00:39] <Rocket2DMn> [TOPIC] Other
[00:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other
[00:39] <Rocket2DMn> does anybody have anything else at all they want to discuss?  The floor is open.
[00:40] <starcraftman> Nope.
[00:40] <andrew_46> Nothing here
[00:40] <superbenny> nope
[00:40] <Rocket2DMn> Okie dokie then, there aren't any padawan nominations, so I think we're finished
[00:41] <starcraftman> Guess so.
[00:41] <Rocket2DMn> nobody has any last minute nominations right?
[00:41] <superbenny> cool
[00:41] <Rocket2DMn> Ok, thanks for coming everybody
[00:41] <Rocket2DMn> #endmeeting
[00:41] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:41.
[00:41] <superbenny> no Rocket2DMn, thank YOU
[00:42] <Rocket2DMn> now back to watching Star Wars like a true nerd
[00:42] <andrew_46> Battlestar galactica here
[00:42] <starcraftman> Yay, BSG, good choice andrew_46
[00:43] <superbenny> hehe...i guess ill just fiddle with my ipod touch...
[15:56]  * james_w waves
[16:00] <liw> hi
[16:00]  * robbiew waves
[16:00] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew.
[16:01] <mterry> Hello!
[16:01] <Keybuk> hey
[16:01] <robbiew> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/0812#Agenda
[16:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/0812#Agenda
[16:02] <slangasek> morning
[16:02] <robbiew> evand: james_w: around?
[16:02] <al-maisan> me
[16:02] <james_w> hi
[16:03] <evand> hi
[16:04] <robbiew> sorry for the late Agenda...took longer to pull together than I thought :/
[16:04] <robbiew> cjwatson: around?
[16:04] <cjwatson> hi
[16:04] <robbiew> cool
[16:04] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Alpha 4 Deliverables
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha 4 Deliverables
[16:05] <robbiew> looked through the list, and I'm thinking some will be Alpha 5/6 deliverables :P
[16:05] <robbiew> or we simply drop them
[16:05] <cjwatson> unfortunately yes
[16:05] <robbiew> cjwatson: cloud setup has a legitimate excuse ;)
[16:05] <cjwatson> cloud is essential so I don't think we have the luxury of dropping it, but it will be a5
[16:06] <robbiew> okay
[16:06] <robbiew> I consider grub2 as done...but there is some work we need to do to help the DX team deliver
[16:06] <robbiew> on Boot Experience
[16:06] <cjwatson> grub2 is only done by a generous interpretation, but you'll be pleased to hear that I just got the zero-delay stuff working
[16:06] <cjwatson> about fifteen minutes before this meeting
[16:06] <robbiew> awesome
[16:07] <robbiew> I'm sure sabdfl will be happy as well ;)
[16:07] <cjwatson> I'll push it out to a5, it's safe for that
[16:07] <cjwatson> whatever gave you that idea? ;)
[16:07] <Keybuk> cjwatson: well done
[16:07] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I assume you need a few days off to recover from writing ia32 assembler? :p
[16:07] <robbiew> heh
[16:07] <cjwatson> fortunately I was just applying somebody else's ia32 assembler
[16:08] <cjwatson> although by an amazing coincidence I'm off next week
[16:08] <robbiew> nice
[16:08] <robbiew> yeah...both cjwatson and Keybuk out on the same week
[16:09]  * Keybuk is around in cases of emergency, I'm only painting
[16:09] <robbiew> heh
[16:09] <liw> Keybuk, house? paintings?
[16:09] <robbiew> not much of a holiday then
[16:09]  * robbiew assumes house
[16:09] <robbiew> based on twitter updates
[16:09] <cjwatson> I'm at home as well
[16:10] <robbiew> cjwatson: do you think we can get the blinking cursor removed?
[16:10] <robbiew> in grub2
[16:10] <robbiew> as well as the random text stuff that pops up?
[16:10] <cjwatson> the text is doable, it's on my list - the cursor is actually after grub2 and may involve connivance with the kernel and probably even userspace (to put it back at the end of boot)
[16:11] <Keybuk> cjwatson: getty already conveniently resets the tty
[16:11] <cjwatson> ah, that helps
[16:11] <cjwatson> I was trying to arrange for grub2 to do all the screen setup, but unfortunately that doesn't actually work with Linux the way it is
[16:11] <cjwatson> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-August/006773.html for the gory details
[16:12] <Keybuk> right, I imagine that would be hard since you'd need GRUB to initialise GL pipelines and shit ;)
[16:12] <cjwatson> nah
[16:12] <cjwatson> resets to the *same resolution* once KMS comes up won't be all that hard
[16:12] <cjwatson> it's just a matter of having some way to display text in the early stages in case everything goes south
[16:13] <cjwatson> which involves bringing up vesafb, then tearing it down again later
[16:13] <Keybuk> right, this sounds bad
[16:13] <Keybuk> I don't think it matters _when_ we set the resolution of the display
[16:13] <Keybuk> just that we only do it once
[16:13] <cjwatson> so I'm not sure how much I can do on that in practice, but it's easy to turn the cursor off *somewhere* I'm sure - definitely on my list
[16:14] <Keybuk> well, GRUB already turns it off
[16:14] <Keybuk> it's just that it turns it back on again <g>
[16:14] <robbiew> cjwatson: ack...thnx
[16:14] <robbiew> GRUB turns it off...then kernel turns it back on
[16:14] <robbiew> correct?
[16:14] <cjwatson> are you sure it's GRUB that turns it back on - or if so, if it didn't, wouldn't Linux do so too? it resets the screen itself
[16:14] <cjwatson> if it's GRUB I will deal with that, anyway
[16:15] <Keybuk> right, who knows
[16:15] <Keybuk> ideally nothing would clear the screen until gdm does ;)
[16:15] <Keybuk> or ?splash
[16:15] <Keybuk> I mean
[16:15] <cjwatson> moving the clear screen around in grub is part of fixing the early text
[16:15] <cjwatson> moving to oblivion in the case that the menu isn't going to be displayed
[16:16] <cjwatson> at the moment it clears the screen before it knows whether it wants to display the menu or not, so that needs to be rearranged somewhat
[16:16] <cjwatson> it's all doable anyway, I'm getting the hang of grub :)
[16:16] <robbiew> nice ;)...okay need to press on...full agenda today :/
[16:17] <robbiew> slangasek : Multiarch support? Alpha 5..6..defer?
[16:18] <slangasek> robbiew: alpha4 was always a fuzzy target IMHO; I wouldn't want to cut it from the release until we absolutely have to, and Guillem is actively working on the dpkg bits now
[16:18] <robbiew> cool
[16:18] <robbiew> how about I make it Beta?
[16:18] <slangasek> ok
[16:18] <robbiew> or is that too late
[16:18] <slangasek> it's a little late for the package manager to land; so alpha-6 is probably better
[16:19] <robbiew> ok
[16:19] <robbiew> noted
[16:19] <robbiew> and the Power Management Cleanup work?
[16:19] <robbiew> I recall mterry working on that
[16:19] <mterry> robbiew, I did some work at the beginning of the cycle, but haven't since.  I thought slangasek was doing the keybinding work
[16:20] <slangasek> there are a few more power management cleanup bits we can expect to accomplish this cycle, but nothing earth-moving
[16:20] <slangasek> since there are still architecture bits missing before we can kill acpi-support completely
[16:21] <robbiew> so should we just say Alpha 6 as the deadline to cleanup whatever possible?
[16:21] <slangasek> sounds good
[16:22] <robbiew> k
[16:23] <robbiew> evand: Encrypted Swap...is that done?
[16:23] <evand> Encrypted swap is just waiting on kirkland to review a patch I have for ecryptfs (he's on vacation).  Migration Assistant is turning out to be much more involved than I had initially anticipated, and I'm going to have to defer it to alpha 5/6.
[16:24] <robbiew> no worries
[16:24] <robbiew> let's put the swap at Alpha 5
[16:24] <robbiew> as for the assistant work....it's okay to defer if you don't think it will happen this cycle
[16:24]  * robbiew knows it's work evand REALLY wanted to do though
[16:25] <robbiew> so I'm fine with Alpha 6....and then reassess deferment then
[16:25] <evand> ah, that removes quite a bit of stress over it, actually.  I'll keep at it full-bore, but noted.
[16:26] <evand> thanks
[16:26] <robbiew> no worries
[16:27]  * robbiew will need to talk to mvo about the Install updates on Shutdown work (possibly deferrable) and the Robust Python work
[16:27] <Ursinha> mano
[16:27] <Ursinha> oh, sorry
[16:28] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Missing Milestones
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Missing Milestones
[16:29] <liw> I was under the impression we are already using eglibc in karmic and we only need to take care of fixing any bugs that are found -- was I optimistic?
[16:29] <robbiew> liw: I think you're right
[16:29] <slangasek> we are using eglibc, yes
[16:29] <cjwatson> I'll split archive-reorganization into two specs to reflect reality
[16:29] <robbiew> cjwatson: cool...thnx
[16:29] <cjwatson> then they can get a milestone apiece
[16:30] <robbiew> liw: at this point, I'm not sure how much a blueprint is needed...since eglibc is already in
[16:30] <cjwatson> robust python: I believe that Steve, Matthias, and I agreed in Dublin that we would just robustify the individual packages that are deep in dep trees and causing problems, rather than changing the entire stack
[16:30] <cjwatson> lsb-release comes to mind right now
[16:30] <cjwatson> but I'd like to confirm that with mvo when we gets back
[16:30] <cjwatson> s/we/he/
[16:30] <liw> robbiew, ok, if you decide it's needed, prod me again
[16:30] <robbiew> ack
[16:31] <robbiew> liw: no worries...no need to waste time on unnecessary "paperwork" ;)
[16:31] <robbiew> slangasek: what did we decide to do about the copyright licenses in  packages?
[16:31]  * robbiew cannot remember :/
[16:32] <liw> zsync: I'm waiting for mvo to return (he's really popular now), to get help with the apt part of the implementation (zsync for Packages files); I'm setting up prototypes for using debdelta so we can use either debdelta's own upgrade stuff, or integrate it to apt
[16:32] <slangasek> robbiew: I'm to get the DEP text into a respectable state (which it isn't currently), and we're to start using it this cycle
[16:32] <liw> slangasek, \o/
[16:33] <robbiew> who's actually going to update the packages? liw?
[16:33] <robbiew> mterry gets grunt work?
[16:33] <robbiew> :P
[16:33] <liw> uh, what? :)
[16:33] <slangasek> robbiew: once it's blessed, we all can update packages as we go
[16:33] <robbiew> ah...okay
[16:34] <robbiew> I'm good with that
[16:34] <robbiew> liw: ack on the Zsync stuff...thnx
[16:34] <mterry> Easier for people that are familiar with the package to know correct copyright lines
[16:34] <robbiew> indeed
[16:34] <robbiew> nice deflection mterry ;)
[16:34] <liw> copyrights: starting with packages which maintain in Ubuntu and don't inherit from Debian, presumably, to restrict deltas
[16:34] <mterry> :)
[16:34] <robbiew> right
[16:35] <liw> robbiew, zsync milestone: I doubt before feature-freeze, but I'll provide an apt in a PPA for those who want to use it
[16:35] <robbiew> liw: what was decided about the pre-unpacking during downloads? do we run away screaming from that?
[16:35] <liw> pre-unpacking .debs while more are downloaded: I'm going to talk to mvo about that, too; basically, the only sensible way seems to be to have apt download in instalaltion order and install things in smaller batches whenever it has enough packages (while continuing to download in the background)
[16:37] <robbiew> liw: ack
[16:37]  * robbiew needs to clone mvo :P
[16:37] <evand> You could always cut him in half and see if he regenerates like a starfish
[16:37] <slangasek> I thought that's why he was on leave?
[16:38] <robbiew> heh
[16:38] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue
[16:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sponsorship Queue
[16:38] <slangasek> oh, cloning is asexual, my bad
[16:39] <robbiew> well...with the Sprint and DebConf....didn't expect much activity there
[16:39]  * Keybuk wonders whether wanting to clone co-workers counts as asexual harassment
[16:39] <robbiew> moving on...
[16:39] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Missing Objectives
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Missing Objectives
[16:39] <robbiew> eh hem
[16:40] <james_w> I put mine in the system because I found it would let me log on again
[16:40] <robbiew> ah..okay
[16:40] <robbiew> would be nice if the system let ME know :/
[16:40] <james_w> I can transfer to email if you would like
[16:40] <robbiew> I'd recommend at least keeping an email copy
[16:40] <robbiew> since the system sucks :P
[16:40] <james_w> good idea :-)
[16:41] <robbiew> slangasek: evand: also in the "system"?  or in the works
[16:41] <robbiew> heh
[16:41] <slangasek> in the mail^W works :(
[16:41] <evand> in the works
[16:42] <robbiew> no worries
[16:42] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Good News
[16:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News
[16:42] <Keybuk> robbiew: do we need to put them in the system ourselves if we've sent them to you?
[16:42] <robbiew> Keybuk: I think I entered yours, but I need you to hit the "submit" button
[16:43] <james_w> what do you know? it seems to have forgotten them
[16:43] <robbiew> heh
[16:43] <liw> a bit of good news: if this meeting doesn't extend too much, I will be able to celebrate an anniversary
[16:43]  * ogra wants such a topic in his team meetings !!
[16:43] <robbiew> liw: \o/
[16:43] <Keybuk> robbiew: there aren't any in there
[16:43] <robbiew> is that a hint ;)
[16:43]  * james_w managed to write C code without getting segfaults
[16:43] <liw> robbiew, 1 :)
[16:44] <liw> james_w, \o/
[16:44] <ogra> james_w, you just use the wrong arch, try again on armel :)
[16:44] <james_w> heh
[16:44] <robbiew> Keybuk: odd...I see the ones I put in
[16:44] <robbiew> dumb tool
[16:44] <robbiew> Keybuk: could you put them in and submit then?
[16:45] <robbiew> james_w: I can see yours
[16:45] <james_w> ah
[16:45] <Keybuk> robbiew: done, they promptly vanished again ;)  but now I have no Submit button
[16:45] <james_w> good, I can't find the button to let me put some more in :-)
[16:46]  * robbiew processed Keybuk and james_w objectives ;)
[16:47] <james_w> is there anyone on the team with C knowledge that would sanity check a patch for me?
[16:47] <Keybuk> sure
[16:47] <james_w> Keybuk: thanks, I'll put it in a mail
[16:47] <liw> don't trust Keybuk, though, if he suggests preprocessor magic
[16:47]  * robbiew knows C...but hasn't written code in a few years :/
[16:48] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:48]  * robbiew reminds folks to book travel for LinuxCon and Plumbers
[16:48] <Keybuk> my booking is with my travel agent
[16:48] <robbiew> must be nice to have one of those :/
[16:49] <robbiew> hhe
[16:49] <liw> robbiew, um, not all of us, I assume?
[16:49] <robbiew> no
[16:49] <robbiew> lol
[16:49] <robbiew> just those who are going
[16:49] <liw> *phew*
[16:49] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:49.
[16:49] <robbiew> 10min early...woohoo!
[16:49] <robbiew> :P
[16:49] <liw> thanks! :)
[16:49]  * slangasek reserves his seat on the MAX
[16:50] <james_w> thanks all
[16:50] <slangasek> thanks. :)
[16:50] <al-maisan> thank you!
[17:58] <heno> hello
[17:58] <bdmurray> hi!
[17:58] <pedro_> hola !
[17:58]  * fader_ waves.
[17:58] <davmor2> heelo
[17:58] <davmor2> meh long day hello
[17:59] <czajkowski> very long day
[18:01] <heno> welcome everyone!
[18:01] <heno> let's start ...
[18:02] <heno> #startmeeting
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is heno.
[18:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:02] <heno> agenda as  always: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[18:03] <heno> hope everyone had uneventful travels back from Dublin
[18:03] <heno> [TOPIC] UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:05] <pedro_> well we didn't have a hug day the past week but...
[18:05] <pedro_> On Thursday 30 of July we celebrated a bug day based on Nautilus
[18:05] <heno> (we also didn't have an IRC meeting)
[18:05] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090730
[18:05] <pedro_> yeah that's correct
[18:06] <pedro_> ~61 bugs were triaged, Thanks a lot to our hug day heroes: 8 Kamus, yofel, kklimonda, trothigar, showard314, shankao, mrkanister and adisari06
[18:06] <pedro_> MacSlow pinged me a couple of weeks ago to see the possibility to organize a hug day for the notify-osd
[18:07] <pedro_> we talked about it during the sprint and
[18:07] <pedro_> Tomorrow we're going to celebrate a hug day based on notify-osd
[18:07] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090813
[18:07] <heno> why do the New bugs get more attention than the Incomplete? Because the initial triage is easier than the follow-up?
[18:08] <pedro_> everybody is welcome to join us and help there
[18:09] <pedro_> yeap seems to be easier, also lot of incomplete bugs still don't have a response but they cannot be closed yet
[18:09] <heno> makes sense
[18:10] <heno> thanks pedro_
[18:10] <heno> [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing -- sbeattie
[18:10] <pedro_> my pleasure :-)
[18:12] <heno> ah, sbeattie isn't here
[18:12] <heno> he's on holiday in fact
[18:12] <heno> ok, moving on ...
[18:13] <heno> [TOPIC] Mago is now in Karmic -- ara
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mago is now in Karmic -- ara
[18:13] <heno> \o/
[18:13] <james_w> yay
[18:13] <ara> Well, nothing more not say, almost self explanatory. mago is now available in karmic repositories
[18:14] <heno> who do we thank for doing/reviewing the uploads?
[18:14] <ara> nvarcalcel and seb128 make an initial revision
[18:14] <heno> it will make the self-testing CD one step closer
[18:15] <ara> and Iain Lane uploaded it
[18:15] <heno> just need to get it in main and seeded now ...
[18:16] <cr3> ara: you should expect contributions from YokoZar shortly, who is very interested in mago
[18:16] <ara> cr3, nice!
[18:16] <cr3> ara: I take 5% commission
[18:17] <heno> [TOPIC] (Canonical) QA Team lead change -- heno
[18:17] <ara> cr3, ok, no problem, expect a 5% of 0$
[18:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  (Canonical) QA Team lead change -- heno
[18:17] <cr3> ara: I want 10% then!
[18:17] <heno> As I mentioned at UDS I'm moving to a different team in Canonical (ISD)
[18:18] <heno> that now has a date, which is this Monday
[18:18] <fader`> heno: Congratulations! :)
[18:18] <fader`> We'll miss you.
[18:18] <heno> I'll be succeeded by the very capable Marjo Mercado
[18:19] <heno> fader`: thanks :)
[18:19] <davmor2> well done heno and welcome marjo
[18:19] <heno> I expect he'll lead these IRC meetings going forward, but you can all fight it out ;)
[18:19] <cr3> heno: we will fondly refer to these days as BH (Before Heno), marking this significant point in history
[18:20] <eeejay> heno, good luck!
[18:20] <ara> heno, you will be missed!
[18:20] <heno> eeejay: thanks, you too :)
[18:20]  * pedro_ hugs heno
[18:20] <pedro_> best of luck heno :-)
[18:20] <heno> may we all live in interesting times, etc.
[18:21] <davmor2> enjoy yourself heno
[18:21]  * heno hugs pedro_ and the whole QA team
[18:21] <heno> davmor2: I'll stop by and help out with CD testing in the release crunch!
[18:21] <davmor2> Yay
[18:22] <heno> any other business?
[18:23] <heno> I think we're done
[18:24] <heno> #endmeeting
[18:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:24.
[18:24] <davmor2> Thanks heno
[18:30] <popey> good luck heno
[18:31] <heno> thanks popey!
[21:11] <czajkowski> how does one close a vote on mootbot?
[21:14] <cody-somerville> #endvote I believe
[21:14] <czajkowski> cody-somerville: thanks,
[21:32] <Pricey> czajkowski: Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot for the full list of commands.
[21:33] <czajkowski> Pricey: I used it but didnt seem to end the vote
[21:33] <Pricey> wierd
[21:33] <czajkowski> nm wasnt that imortant and small enough we can follow :)
[21:37] <nellery> czajkowski: that wiki page says [ENDVOTE]
[21:43] <czajkowski> 2 more items on the agenda, should be good without needing votes
[21:45] <Pricey> czajkowski: see nellery!!! :)
[21:45] <Pricey> czajkowski: tis [endvote] as he says, not #endvote
[21:45] <czajkowski> aye
[21:45] <czajkowski> thanks :)
[21:45] <Pricey> czajkowski: all working now?
[21:48] <czajkowski> yup
[21:48] <czajkowski> I do like MootBot
[21:57] <Ursinha> czajkowski, me too :)
[21:58] <Coringao> Pretto, Ursinha hi my friends. :)
[21:58] <Ursinha> Coringao, hi
[21:58] <Coringao> :)
[22:01] <Pretto> hi Coringao
[22:01] <Coringao> Pretto, ;)
[22:58] <Pretto> @now
[22:58] <Legendario> when is the next meeting?
[22:58] <Ursinha> Legendario, hopefully in 2 mins
[22:58] <pleia2> americas board meeting is in 2 minutes
[22:58] <Legendario> the next one?
[22:58] <Legendario> after that...
[22:59] <Ursinha> Legendario, isn't that in the calendar?
[22:59] <Ursinha> fridge calendar, that is
[22:59] <greg-g> in the topic :)
[23:00] <Legendario> thanks guys
[23:00] <beuno> ok
[23:00] <beuno> everytone ready and psyched?
[23:00] <greg-g> I know I am!
[23:00] <pleia2> ok everyone, welcome to the americas board meeting :) we have quorum so lets get started
[23:01] <pleia2> looks like brywilharris and oubiwann aren't here
[23:01] <pleia2> tarvid: you're up :)
[23:01] <pleia2> give us a short introduction and link to your wiki
[23:02] <tarvid> tarvid is here
[23:02] <tarvid> here
[23:02] <tarvid> here
[23:02] <tarvid> here
[23:03] <beuno> tarvid, ok, tell us about yourself then
[23:03] <greg-g> everything ok, tarvid ?
[23:04] <beuno> ok
[23:04] <beuno> NEXT!
[23:04]  * Ursinha prays to lord for her internet connection
[23:04] <greg-g> I guess tarvid was having some connection issues, so we'll move on to
[23:04] <beuno> Coringao is not around either
[23:04] <pleia2> nor is wiebelhaus
[23:05] <beuno> tarvid, dude, you're up!
[23:05] <greg-g> ahh, tarvid, welcome back
[23:05] <tarvid> tarvid is back. pidgin run  amuck
[23:05] <pleia2> tarvid: please introduce yourself and link to your wiki page :)
[23:05] <tarvid> tarvid is an International Health Consultant turned ISP
[23:05] <tarvid> wiki page is Jim Tarvid
[23:06] <tarvid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JimTarvid
[23:06] <tarvid> I've been an active Linux user since 1995
[23:07] <tarvid> pidgin again, keep killing twitter but it keeps coming back
[23:07] <beuno> tarvid, what have your contributions to Ubuntu been?
[23:07] <tarvid> I've been promoting Linux actively since 1997 or 1998
[23:07] <tarvid> I hold regular install fests and release parties
[23:08] <tarvid> I am working on erlang upstream (Debian)
[23:08] <cr3> tarvid: erlang, you rock!
[23:08] <Technoviking> what is erlang and what work have you been doing on it.
[23:08] <tarvid> I want to do schemaless databases
[23:09] <beuno> tarvid, why?
[23:09] <tarvid> I have the theory that things can be reduced to codices+indices
[23:09] <tarvid> If you look at Drupal CCK for example, to be flexible, the add a table per field to content profiles
[23:10] <tarvid> MySQL is a hammer for which everything looks like a nail
[23:10] <pleia2> tarvid: can your provide a link to your upstream work, please?
[23:10] <tarvid> it just started
[23:10] <tarvid> Current maintainer Noah           Slaterhas other fish to fry
[23:11] <tarvid> My work so far is builds on Ubuntu and Windows for my own use
[23:11] <beuno> tarvid, so, from what I can gather, your actual direct contributions to Ubuntu have been helping out in your LoCo?
[23:12] <tarvid> True. I revived the loco a few months ago. A struggle but perhaps it will work out
[23:12] <beuno> tarvid, how long have you been involved in ubuntu?
[23:12] <tarvid> Warty
[23:13] <tarvid> We use it internally
[23:13] <beuno> tarvid, using, or contributing to the project?
[23:13] <tarvid> About 150 websites and a couple dozen Drupal
[23:13] <tarvid> Not sure there is a difference in this area
[23:14] <greg-g> I'm confused by what you mean by 150 website and couple dozen drupal
[23:14] <tarvid> Among other things we are a web hosting provider
[23:14] <greg-g> oh, you mean you are using Ubuntu to host about 150 websites including a couple dozen drupal installs?
[23:14] <tarvid> We provide mentoring and hosting to a few Drupal web sites
[23:15] <tarvid> yes
[23:15] <pleia2> "we"? the company you work for?
[23:15] <tarvid> LS.Net
[23:15] <beuno> tarvid, so, I feel you have been a very active Ubuntu user, but have not done a lot of active work in the Ubuntu project.
[23:15] <tarvid> We will have our 14th birthday in a few days
[23:15] <tarvid> Hmm. If you mean packaging, yes
[23:16] <beuno> well, no, I mean in general
[23:16] <tarvid> And we have actively promoted Ubuntu in our area
[23:16] <beuno> or I'm not understanding this well
[23:16] <boredandblogging> tarvid: lsnet has hosted one release party?
[23:16] <beuno> tarvid, I'm confused by your use of "we"
[23:16] <tarvid> I would gues 6 or 7
[23:16] <tarvid> I found online documentation for the one on the wiki page
[23:17] <tarvid> We is LSNet collectively, three second hand lions
[23:17] <boredandblogging> ready to vote?
[23:18] <beuno> tarvid, so, I see you're very enthusiastic, seem to be doing a very good job at promoting Ubuntu, but I feel you need to get more involved individually in the community as a whole. I'm -1 today.
[23:18] <beuno> boredandblogging, that
[23:18] <beuno> that's a "yes, I'm ready"  :)
[23:19] <boredandblogging> i'm with beuno, seems like the lines are blurred between lsnet and you
[23:19] <pleia2> tarvid: I'd really like to see more Ubuntu specific activity with the Virginia team, and your upstream work sounds like it has a lot of potential :) but I'm going to have to -1 for now until more of it comes to fruition
[23:19] <Technoviking> -1 here also, I think you have good work, but I would like to see more direct work wih Ubuntu and the community.
[23:19] <greg-g> tarvid: I would just like to see a bit more documentation of your contributions: bug triage, coverage of Ubuntu specific events you ran/planned, etc.  For today, -1, but I see your have great expectations and possibilities, so keep up the good work and come back later! :)
[23:19] <beuno> Coringao, start preparing
[23:20] <Coringao> beuno, ok
[23:21] <Legendario> i am going to help coringao on the english. ok, guys?
[23:21] <pleia2> Legendario: sure thing, thanks for your help :)
[23:21] <Legendario> no problem
[23:22] <Technoviking> Legendario: thanks
[23:22] <beuno> ok, Coringao, you're up
[23:23] <Coringao> beuno, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Coringao
[23:23] <Legendario> i am going to introduce him
[23:24] <Legendario> he is the creator and administrator of the ubuntu games website
[23:24] <Legendario> his been doing this specific work since 2005
[23:24] <pleia2> wow, neat
[23:24] <Legendario> creates tutorials to make easier the installation of games on ubuntu
[23:25] <Legendario> also creates some debs for couple games
[23:25] <Legendario> no piracy, just free software games
[23:25] <greg-g> :) good deal
[23:25] <greg-g> are these debs proposed to be included in the ubuntu repositories?
[23:26] <Legendario> www.ubuntugames.org
[23:26] <beuno> Coringao, you've done awesome work there!
[23:26] <greg-g> I guess the better question is: are the debs in Debian or ubuntu? or are they a getdeb-type thing?
[23:26] <Technoviking> Coringao: Any plans to add some of your tutorials to the Offical Ubuntu wiki?
[23:27] <Legendario> they are included on the ubuntu games repository
[23:28] <beuno> Coringao, the game installer is a a very cool project
[23:28] <boredandblogging> Coringao: why not put them in the ubuntu repositories?
[23:28] <Legendario> the ubuntu-sp LoCo team (which he am I are part of) are trying to include those tutorials on the wiki-br
[23:28] <Pretto> greg-g, it's his own debs, just to make it easy to deploy the game, but not for make part of any repository because no policy are followed
[23:28] <greg-g> Pretto: ah, thank you
[23:28] <Ursinha> Legendario, are you sure the games are all free software? I saw tutorials about closed source games
[23:29] <Ursinha> actually me and Coringao discussed a lot about that a few weeks ago
[23:29] <greg-g> is it something that the ubuntugames group wants to do in the future? (put the debs in Universe)
[23:29] <beuno> Coringao, are you interested in working towards including some of this work in Ubuntu proper, or is this something that you're mostly interested in keeping separate?
[23:29]  * beuno high-fives greg-g
[23:29] <greg-g> beuno: :)
[23:30] <Legendario> he is interested in getting those debs in the universe repositories, but he needs some help on that, on the english for exempla
[23:30] <pleia2> that's great to hear :)
[23:31] <boredandblogging> thats excellent
[23:31] <Legendario> well, he is dictating me those things to me on skype, ok
[23:31] <greg-g> awesome, we like more things in the officially supported repositories, makes everyone feel good :)
[23:31] <Legendario> i agree ;-)
[23:32] <beuno> Coringao, do you do any work in your LoCo?
[23:33] <greg-g> Ursinha: did you see debs for closed source games or just tutorials?
[23:33] <Legendario> yes, he is one of the administrators of the Ubuntu-SP LoCo team, with me and Christiano
[23:33] <Ursinha> greg-g, I saw some closed source bios packaged, but I asked him to remove and he kindly did
[23:33] <greg-g> Ursinha: ah, good deal, thanks for the info
[23:33] <Ursinha> greg-g, np
[23:34] <beuno> Coringao, plans for the future?
[23:35] <Legendario> Put the debs on the official repositories, internacionalize the ubuntu games website (with the help of the ubuntu-sp loco team) and
[23:35] <Ursinha> Legendario, not just the ubuntu-sp locoteam, he's welcome to work with the ubuntu-br as well, I offered that to him
[23:35] <Legendario> keep helping on the loco team (meetings, support, advocating, etc)
[23:35] <greg-g> ... good so far...
[23:35] <greg-g> that is a good list of goals
[23:36] <Legendario> his is already part of the ubuntu-br team
[23:36] <Legendario> ursinha
[23:36] <boredandblogging> ubuntu-sp is not part of ubuntu-br?
[23:36] <Ursinha> Legendario,I'm saying I offered him help with his stuff
[23:36] <Ursinha> boredandblogging, should be :)
[23:37] <greg-g> cool, we'll I think we're ready to vote
 yes, it is. ubuntu-sp is under ubuntu-br
[23:37] <Legendario> hierachy
[23:37] <pleia2> +1 from me, great work, Coringao!
[23:37] <beuno> I'm +1, he seems to have done a lot of great things, and I'm looking forward to his future  :)
[23:37] <Technoviking> +1 here, good work
[23:38] <greg-g> Coringao: +1 from me, great work and I'm encouraged to see your future work!
[23:38] <boredandblogging> +1
[23:38] <beuno> that's 4. Coringao welcome to the amazing world of Ubuntu Members.
[23:39] <pleia2> congrats, welcome Coringao :)
[23:39] <Pretto> beuno, five not four
[23:39] <greg-g> I count 5 :)
[23:39] <Coringao> thanks a lot guys. I won`t dissapoint You
[23:39] <greg-g> welcome Coringao
[23:39] <cody-mobile> :-)
[23:39] <Ursinha> Coringao, congrats!!!!
[23:39] <Coringao> thanks
[23:39] <Pretto> Coringao, congrats!!! now you are a member :D
[23:39] <cr3> Coringao: keep bringing gaming to ubuntu, very exciting!
[23:39] <beuno> Pretto, 4 out of 6 is majority, so we're approving at 4
[23:40] <beuno> and it is 5  :)
[23:40] <pleia2> bratsche: you're up! please give us a brief introduction and link to your wiki :)
[23:40] <Legendario> you guys made the right choice!!!! ;-)
[23:40] <Pretto> beuno, hehehheh
[23:40] <bratsche> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodyRussell
[23:40] <bratsche> Hi, I'm Cody Russell.  I work for Canonical on the Ubuntu Desktop Experience Team.
[23:41] <bratsche> I started just before the Jaunty release, did some notify-osd related work at that time, now I'm working on the Karmic release.
[23:41] <bratsche> I'm writing xsplash, which is the new transition effect when you enter your desktop session.
[23:41] <bratsche> And I'm supposed to be starting on some new effects and theming related stuff for the gdm session.
[23:42] <bratsche> And in general working on widgets and trying to sexify things a bit more. :)
[23:42] <bratsche> I do a lot of work upstream on gtk+ as well.
[23:42] <jpds> Oh, the Big Ben guy.
[23:43] <bratsche> haha, yeah.
[23:43] <pleia2> bratsche: you say you're a long-time ubuntu user, before joining canonical what kinds of things were you working on? similar to your work now?
[23:44] <greg-g> bratsche: thanks for the work to make Ubuntu a bit more attractive. Is there a LoCo team nearby to you? If so, have you participated in it much?
[23:44] <bratsche> I'm a long-time Ubuntu user, but not a long-time Ubuntu developer.  Before joining Canonical I worked on gtk+ and some other upstream stuff, but I was working for a company called Medsphere developing an open-source medical system called OpenVista CIS (whose source is in launchpad if you care for it) ;)
[23:45] <bratsche> greg-g: I'm not sure.. I just moved from Baltimore to Dallas a couple months ago and haven't looked into the LoCo team here yet.
[23:45] <greg-g> ah, Dallas, they're are a few Ubuntu folks around there
[23:46] <bratsche> Cool, I'll have to look into that.
[23:47] <greg-g> yeah, good people, too. Like Mario L.
[23:47] <boredandblogging> alright, I'm ready, +1
[23:48]  * beuno is excusing himself from voting for any Canonical employees
[23:48] <greg-g> +1 from me as well, good work
[23:48] <pleia2> bratsche: thanks for making Ubuntu prettier! +1
[23:48] <cr3> greg-g: superm1 rocks! I'd move to Dallas just to be in his loco team :)
[23:48] <beuno> but bratsche is a great guy, that I can say  :)
[23:48] <bratsche> heh, thanks :)
[23:48] <greg-g> cr3: if I didn't think the Michigan team was the best, I would too :)
[23:48] <Technoviking> +1 from me
[23:49] <pleia2> congrats, welcome bratsche :)
[23:49] <beuno> 4 votes
[23:49] <bratsche> Thank you very much!
[23:49] <beuno> woooo bratsche
[23:49] <jpds> bratsche: Congrats!
[23:49] <Pretto> bratsche, Congrats!!!
[23:50] <Ursinha> congrats bratsche :)
[23:50] <beuno> I see just see cr3 and Ursinha, in the queue, right?
[23:50] <pleia2> right
[23:50] <bratsche> Thanks very much, I appreciate your support!  I'll keep working hard to make Ubuntu rock (more).
[23:50] <beuno> both Canonical employees, so that means I won't be voting anymore today  :)
[23:50] <pleia2> cr3: you're up! :) please introduce yourself and post a link to your wiki page
[23:50] <cr3> pleia2: thanks!
[23:50] <beuno> anyone want to resign their jobs so I can vote for you?
[23:50] <cr3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcTardif
[23:51] <bratsche> beuno: heh
[23:51] <cr3> As you've noticed already, I have to mention that I actually work for Canonical where I was initially hired in support.
[23:51] <cr3> I understand bueno's position, so I will try to focus on the personal work that I have contributed to the community above and beyond my work rather than resign right now.
[23:52] <cr3> I've been using Ubuntu since Breezy and been actively testing Ubuntu since Dapper as can be seen from my Launchpad bug track record, which was not part of my initial work.
[23:52] <greg-g> good choice
[23:52] <pleia2> hehe
[23:52] <cr3> I've also contributed test results to stgraber's ISO tracker on several occasions during my spare time for milestone releases, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/.
[23:52] <cr3> As a result of my testing, I started a personal project called Checkbox, https://launchpad.net/checkbox, which is now installed by default in Ubuntu.
[23:52] <Ursinha> checkbox, sweet!
[23:52] <cr3> Following my interest in improving the quality of Ubuntu, I eventually moved to the Platform QA team where I can test Ubuntu as part of my work and more. Yay!
[23:53] <cr3> I've also participated in the preparation of the Ubuntu release parties since Edgy with MagicFab. These have attracted a surprising number of people in Montreal which require quite a bit of preparation such as burning images late at night and so forth.
[23:53] <greg-g> awesome, I've been impressed with the Montreal crew
[23:54] <cr3> I've also been very active in other communities around free software, but not related to Ubuntu, should I go into those details as well?
[23:54] <pleia2> cr3: what is the best way to contact the Montreal team? we have a Pennsylvania fellow up there now and he's lost
[23:54] <cr3> pleia2: #ubuntu-qc is good
[23:54] <pleia2> cr3: cool, thanks!
[23:55] <cr3> One of the reasons I would like to become an Ubuntu member is to share new ideas about testing and best practices which I've started exploring in my personal blog, http://cr3bits.wordpress.com/.
[23:55] <greg-g> cr3: if you could just give an idea of the types of groups, that'd be cool, no need to make your case for them :)
[23:56] <greg-g> hey, I'm a testing framework? never knew! http://cr3bits.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/test-result-codes/   :)
[23:57] <cr3> greg-g: montreal perl mongers (organized several gatherings), FACIL (non profit organisation for the promotion of free software in the province of quebec where I chaired on the board of directors), organised several events like: copyright 2005 with RMS, libre a elle, etc.
[23:57] <pleia2> perl mongers \o/
[23:57] <cr3> some of these events attracted up to 300 people, and I was a significant organiser
[23:58] <greg-g> that's a pretty good list. I remember you talking about a neat event around using licensed/un-licensed photos in a mural and spraying 'infringers' with water guns :)
[23:58] <cr3> greg-g: dude, I didn't realize that was you! yeah, that was yet another event :)
[23:59] <greg-g> yep yep :)
[23:59] <greg-g> So, I think we're ready to vote
[23:59] <cr3> While I'm listing contributions, I should also mention that I contributed GNU Bool, which is now part of the GNU Project