[12:58] <_ion> zo to open a fold, zc to close it. zi to toggle folding on/off.
[12:58] <_ion> zm and zr to change the folding level.
[01:08] <bluefoxicy> "* you should prepend "Homepage:" to the webpage URL in control long description "
[01:09] <bluefoxicy>  A guide can be found at:
[01:09] <bluefoxicy>  .
[01:09] <bluefoxicy>  http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/pax-utils.xml
[01:09] <bluefoxicy> That is hardly a homepage.
[01:09] <bluefoxicy> (it doesn't contain a link to download it)
[01:30] <zul> hey
[01:47] <zul> i love being sick
[01:49] <LaserJock> me too :(
[01:49] <zul> especailly on a day off
[01:51] <LaserJock> I'm still trying to get over my end-of-Paris cold
[01:51] <zul> still?
[01:52] <LaserJock> yep
[01:52] <LaserJock> been over a week now
[01:52] <zul> thats not good
[01:52] <LaserJock> I'm close to being done
[01:52] <zul> maybe its a tumor ;)
[01:52] <LaserJock> I doubt
[01:52] <zul> sorry..long running joke in my family
[01:55] <jsgotangco> err that's way too long for a cold
[01:56] <zul> anyone seen ajmitch around?
[01:56] <jsgotangco> not lately, i heard he's on holiday in au
[01:56] <tseng> hah
[01:56] <tseng> holiday
[01:56] <tseng> good one.
[01:56] <zul> must be slacking off
[01:56] <crimsun> he was active 13h 20m ago
[01:57] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: flu maybe?
[01:57] <crimsun> silly american pigdog sickness?
[01:58] <zul> heh i think i said that about a week ago ;)
[01:58] <LaserJock> crimsun: but I got it in France :-)
[01:58] <zul> its the french revengre for changing french fires to freedom fries
[01:59] <crimsun> I thought that line (silly english pigdogs) was from purported frenchmen
[01:59] <jsgotangco> the french had their revenge on him inside the metro or somewhere in the notre dame :)
[01:59] <zul> crimsun: monty python
[01:59] <crimsun> zul: yeah, I'm just trying to remember if they were "french"
[02:00] <crimsun> in that part of the skit
[02:00] <zul> they were
[02:00] <crimsun> right
[02:00] <crimsun> oh well, completely over LaserJock's head :/
[02:00] <zul> that reminds me i wanna see if i can fine some black adder
[02:02] <LaserJock> crimsun: sorry, you didn't say it with the weird French accent ;-)
[02:03] <crimsun> yeah, that doesn't go over too well in text, my bad
[02:04] <LaserJock> we'd have to move over to the Team Speak server for that
[02:05] <Amaranth> zul: did you get that "long running joke" from kindergarten cop? :)
[02:06] <zul> i never seen kindergaten cop
[02:06] <Amaranth> "it's not a tumar!"

[02:08] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:08] <jsgotangco> haha
[02:09] <zul> "Got to get to mars!
[02:09] <Amaranth> http://www.elevatedloc.com/cfool/JournalEntries/5.05.98.html#Tumor
[02:09] <Amaranth> i think whoever started that joke in your family saw that movie :P
[02:10] <zul> perhaps
[03:10] <freeflying|away> any REVU admin here?
[03:12] <tseng> does anyone else have a horked up gnome-panel
[03:15] <LaserJock> in edgy?
[03:16] <whiprush> tseng: everything normal here.
[03:17] <tseng> bong
[03:17] <tseng> LaserJock: yes
[03:17] <tseng> i rm -rf .gnome* .gconf*
[03:18] <tseng> and still no love
[03:22] <whiprush> LOL
[03:23] <tseng> it starts up
[03:23] <tseng> and will draw some part of it
[03:23] <tseng> most of the time clicking is useless
[03:23] <tseng> and parts are never drawn
[03:24] <whiprush> not an applet hanging it up is it?
[03:24] <tseng> probably is
[03:24] <tseng> but i cant tell what
[03:24] <tseng> and i rm'd like i said
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee and bddebian
[03:49] <zul> hey
[03:49] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, zul, Hobbsee
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian and LaserJock
[05:40] <nate_> hi
[05:40] <nate_> ugh
[05:40] <crimsun> bddebian: ping
[05:45] <bddebian> crimsun: Yo?
[05:46] <crimsun> bddebian: if you have time, please grab http://sh.nu/~crimsun/openvpn-breezy/ , resign, and upload to security.upload.ubuntu.com
[05:46] <bddebian> Can I do that?
[05:46] <crimsun> yes
[05:47] <bddebian> crimsun: I'm happy to but why do you need me to do it?
[05:47] <crimsun> because security uses some screwed key retrieval method that keeps failing my expired key.
[05:47] <bddebian> Ah
[05:48] <crimsun> coincidentally the same key used to sign all my Edgy uploads.
[05:48] <crimsun> go figure.
[05:48] <bddebian> heh
[05:49] <bddebian> Just debsign?
[05:49] <crimsun> if you trust me
[05:49] <crimsun> otherwise I've placed the entire source package there, and you can dpkg-source -x and rebuild it
[05:49] <bddebian> Hmm maybe I'll do that only because I don't know debsign :-)
[05:50] <crimsun> approval here from pitti if you need the ok.  [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/security-review/2006-July/000421.html]
[05:51] <bddebian> Do I need -sa?
[05:51] <crimsun> no
[05:54] <bddebian> Sent
[05:54] <crimsun> thank ye
[05:54] <bddebian> Anytime man
[05:54] <bddebian> Glad to be of SOME use
[06:25] <antinobody> this whole MOM thing confuzzles me
[06:32] <crimsun> antinobody: what's unclear?
[06:32] <antinobody> crimsun: the protocol, mostly
[06:34] <antinobody> crimsun: is the process mostly to go through the autogenerated merged packages, and make sure everything works, and if it doesn't, fix it?
[06:34] <crimsun> antinobody: yes
[06:34] <crimsun> want me to walk you through one?
[06:34] <crimsun> (or a couple)
[06:35] <anibal> crimsun, is there a web page for new ubuntu packages waiting for approval?
[06:35] <antinobody> crimsun: sure, if you're up to it
[06:36] <crimsun> anibal: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[06:36] <anibal> crimsun, ta
[06:36] <crimsun> anibal: nfs-utils is fabbione's package (he last touched it), so I pinged him for permission to upload (giving him a URL to your merged source package)
[06:37] <anibal> crimsun, ok
[06:39] <crimsun> antinobody: ok, pick a merge
[06:40] <crimsun> or if you'd like, I can just choose one of mine and go through it.
[06:41] <crimsun> antinobody: let's start with qterm [http://merges.ubuntu.com/q/qterm/REPORT]
[06:42] <crimsun> antinobody: generally I keep three separate Web browser tabs open: 1) package/REPORT; 2) http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:package ; 3) http://packages.qa.debian.org/srcpackage
[06:43] <crimsun> (1) refers to the MoM REPORT; (2) refers to Ubuntu's package info; (3) refers to Debian's package info
[06:44] <crimsun> so starting with (1), or the MoM REPORT, the first thing to do is check whether there are outstanding conflicts in the autogenerated merge. If there are, they will be listed toward the end of the REPORT marked by "C" or "C*"
[06:45] <crimsun> antinobody_:  did you catch any of that?
[06:45] <antinobody_> crimsun: he vuelvo
[06:45] <antinobody_> wait...
[06:45] <antinobody_> yo he vuelto
[06:45] <antinobody_> crimsun: nope
[06:45] <antinobody_> crimsun: sorry
[06:45] <antinobody_> crimsun: had to reboot into the kubuntu edgy install, it's the only one with a pbuilder environment set up
[06:45] <crimsun> antinobody_: let's start with qterm [http://merges.ubuntu.com/q/qterm/REPORT]
[06:45] <crimsun> antinobody_: generally I keep three separate Web browser tabs open: 1) package/REPORT; 2) http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:package ; 3) http://packages.qa.debian.org/srcpackage
[06:45] <antinobody_> okay
[06:46] <crimsun> antinobody_: (1) refers to the MoM REPORT; (2) refers to Ubuntu's package info; (3) refers to Debian's package info
[06:46] <crimsun> antinobody_:  so starting with (1), or the MoM REPORT, the first thing to do is check whether there are outstanding conflicts in the autogenerated merge. If there are, they will be listed toward the end of the REPORT marked by "C" or "C*"
[06:47] <crimsun> antinobody_: (I'll give you a sec to catch up)
[06:47] <antinobody_> right, I don't see any
[06:47] <crimsun> antinobody_: right, so in this case, we just need to inspect the merged source package
[06:48] <antinobody_> I see
[06:48] <crimsun> antinobody_: I have a /tmp/merges/  , and I just use: ../grab-merge.sh qterm
[06:48] <crimsun> [http://merges.ubuntu.com/grab-merge.sh]
[06:48] <antinobody_> right, I'm familiar, and have a similar folder
[06:49] <crimsun> antinobody_: since the merge turned out ok, we just need to eyeball what the Debian source package has versus what we have
[06:50] <crimsun> so I'll first use [http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qterm/qterm_0.4.0pre3-2.1.dsc]  and [http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/q/qterm/qterm_0.4.0pre3-2ubuntu1/changelog]
[06:51] <crimsun> the main things I'm checking for are whether Debian's build-dependencies have absorbed Ubuntu's
[06:51] <antinobody_> I see
[06:52] <crimsun> here we see that Debian Sid's package is still building against python2.3-dev, but we migrated to python2.4-dev in Dapper
[06:52] <crimsun> so in the merged source package in your merge directory, just make sure all those changes match
[06:53] <crimsun> (they do)
[06:53] <antinobody_> crimsun: what exactly are you doing with the .dsc file that tells you the builddeps?
[06:53] <crimsun> antinobody_: the Build-Depends line at [http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qterm/qterm_0.4.0pre3-2.1.dsc]
[06:54] <crimsun> antinobody_: note that's also in your merge directory
[06:55] <antinobody_> crimsun: that's simple enough, thanks, I just forgot .dsc's were text files
[06:55] <crimsun> next, it's time to update debian/changelog
[06:55] <crimsun> so replace "Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with your own info
[06:56] <crimsun> in the changelog entry, it's good practice to note what happened to Ubuntu changes
[06:57] <crimsun> so I used "- debian/control: Retain python2.4-dev build-dependency."
[06:57] <antinobody_> right, easier for the next guy to find
[06:57] <antinobody_> or girl
[06:58] <crimsun> next, I use ``fakeroot ../merge-buildpackage -k<your_key_id>''
[06:59] <crimsun> then, I pbuild the merged .dsc, test-install it if possible, and finally upload it
[07:00] <nate_> hi
[07:00] <antinobody_> hi nate
[07:00] <LaserJock> merge-buildpackage?
[07:01] <antinobody_> crimsun: I'm having trouble using merge-buildpackage
[07:01] <crimsun> antinobody_: it should be in $(pwd) where you invoked grab-merge.sh
[07:01] <antinobody_> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
[07:01] <antinobody_> no, no, I found it, it just spits out that error
[07:02] <crimsun> when you invoke merge-buildpackage, you need to be in the root of the extracted & merged source package
[07:02] <crimsun> which is normally one level /down/ from where you invoked grab-merge.sh
[07:04] <crimsun> got that straightened out?
[07:05] <antinobody_> nope...
[07:05] <antinobody_> I'm in the qterm-* folder
[07:05] <antinobody_> but it continues to complain
[07:06] <crimsun> well, you can always use ``debuild -S -v0.4.0pre3-2ubuntu1 -uc -us''
[07:06] <antinobody_> ok, sorted out
[07:06] <antinobody_> sorry about that
[07:06] <antinobody_> had a changelog format issue
[07:06] <antinobody_> some line that was where it shouldn't be
[07:06] <crimsun> ah
[07:07] <crimsun> ok, let's pick a more interesting one, like quixote
[07:07] <crimsun> [http://merges.ubuntu.com/q/quixote/REPORT]
[07:08] <crimsun> yum, lots of conflicts
[07:08] <crimsun> so I grab the merge
[07:08] <crimsun> ...and look at debian/control
[07:09] <crimsun> so the first diff3 hunk is pretty straightforward
[07:09] <crimsun> I'll drop the stuff marked for quixote-2.3-0.1ubuntu1 (the top) in favour of quixote-2.4-3
[07:10] <crimsun> the only thing I need to do, if I intend to keep the delta (difference from Debian packaging), is remove the build-dependency on python2.3-dev
[07:10] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:11] <antinobody_> gnight bddebian
[07:12] <crimsun> second hunk is a bit more interesting
[07:12] <crimsun> let's presume for the moment that I want to retain the delta and just ship for python2.4
[07:12] <antinobody_> ok
[07:13] <crimsun> I just need to delete that whole Ubuntu section
[07:14] <crimsun> then change "Depends: python2.3-quixote (=${Source-Version})" to "Depends: python2.4-quixote (=${Source-Version})"
[07:15] <crimsun> then remove the rest of the binary package section for python2.3-quixote
[07:15] <crimsun> now as a side note, what I could have done is gone with the python-support transition, which eliminates all this juggling of python2.x{,-dev}
[07:16] <crimsun> in any case, I now have a python2.4-only quixote debian/control
[07:17] <antinobody_> by "that whole Ubuntu section" you were referring to the <<<<<<< quixote-2.3-4.1ubuntu1 (ubuntu) line, right?
[07:17] <crimsun> just those three lines, yes
[07:17] <Lathiat> ah i love bzr and how you can just init the repo in a directory and off you go
[07:18] <crimsun> Lathiat: indeed.
[07:18] <crimsun> too bad that inital push has that comestic bug
[07:18] <Lathiat> cosmetic bug
[07:18] <Lathiat> ?
[07:18] <crimsun> really turned me for a loop when I first saw "0 revision(s)..."
[07:19] <crimsun> initial, rather
[07:19] <Lathiat> hrm
[07:19] <Lathiat> dont remember that
[07:21] <crimsun> antinobody_: ok, the next file mentioned, debian/postinst, can be ignored
[07:21] <crimsun> antinobody_: so we can just remove debian/postinst.UBUNTU
[07:23] <antinobody_> is debian/postint always unimporant? or is there something about this case that makes it so?
[07:23] <crimsun> antinobody_: no, this is an individual case
[07:24] <crimsun> antinobody_: the reason is that the newer Debian source package no longer uses a debian/postinst
[07:24] <antinobody_> crimsun: ah...
[07:25] <crimsun> as for debian/quixote.lintian, we should remove the ubuntu section and leave only the debian one
[07:27] <crimsun> in debian/rules, we'll go with Debian, so we'll kill the PYTHON var
[07:28] <crimsun> then all we have to do is comment out references to $(PYTHON23)
[07:29] <crimsun> one in build-stamp, two in clean, and two in install
[07:30] <crimsun> then you can merge-buildpackage again, build it, test it, upload it
[07:30] <crimsun> but in this case, I'm going to be lazy and request a sync
[07:30] <antinobody_> two in clean?
[07:31] <crimsun> err, no, I'm going to merge it but add the python2.3 version
[07:31] <crimsun> yeah, there're:
[07:31] <crimsun> #       $(PYTHON23) setup.py clean --all
[07:31] <crimsun> #       -rm -rf $(CURDIR)/debian/python2.3-quixote
[07:32] <crimsun> although I suppose you don't /have/ to comment the second because of the -f
[07:32] <antinobody_> ok, I see
[07:37] <crimsun> antinobody_: any clearer now?
[07:37] <antinobody_> crimsun: a bit
[07:37] <crimsun> once you work through several more, you'll get the hang of it
[07:37] <antinobody_> it seems like the kind of thing only practice can solidify
[07:37] <crimsun> right
[07:38] <antinobody_> crimsun: how do I report these?
[07:38] <crimsun> "these" being...?
[07:39] <antinobody_> crimsun: merges/syncs which have been checked/fixed
[07:40] <crimsun> if you work on a merge, you can either file a bug in Launchpad and assign it to motureviewers; or you upload merged source packages to REVU, or you can file sync requests and have a MOTU sign off/approve, then subscribe ubuntu-archive
[07:40] <antinobody_> ok, if I file a bug, would it make sense to uplead the packages to REVU as well?
[07:41] <crimsun> generally, yes
[07:41] <crimsun> or point them to your own Web space, etc., as long as the URLs are in the bug report
[07:42] <antinobody_> all right
[07:42] <antinobody_> thank you
[07:42] <crimsun> np
[07:44] <bluefoxicy> can somebody fix dosemu
[07:44] <bluefoxicy> I can neither upgrade it nor remove it
[07:44] <crimsun> Edgy's?
[07:45] <bluefoxicy> due to xfonts-dosemu
[07:45] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  yes.
[07:45] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  it's preventing me from upgrading ANYTHING on edgy, due to a broken post-install script
[07:45] <bluefoxicy> no upgrades, no testing.
[07:45] <crimsun> hmm, I can't upgrade anything due to apt
[07:46] <bluefoxicy> when i try to upgrade anything else apt/dpkg immediately tries to finish up xfonts-dosemu and goes "Nope this doesn't work time to bail out"
[07:46] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  hmm.  Wow.  Apt is in my queue of things that need updating
[07:47] <crimsun> yeah, I'm a bit weary of that one
[07:47] <crimsun> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/extended_states, E: Failed to open StateFile /var/lib/apt/extended_states, etc.
[07:47] <crimsun> wary, rather
[07:47] <bluefoxicy> ah.
[07:47] <raphink> well it's cups that's preventing me from upgraind here :
[07:47] <raphink> localhost cupsd: Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting!
[07:47] <bluefoxicy> it must be breakshit week for Edgy.
[07:47] <crimsun> raphink: I think apt is bong, but I haven't looked more closely
[07:48] <raphink> ok
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  wait until somebody tries to run SMART instead.
[07:48] <bluefoxicy> heh I am still waiting for Xorg 7.1 in Edgy
[08:02] <nixternal> The following packages have unmet dependencies: aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but it is not installable    <- how bad is that error message?
[08:05] <sivang> morning
[08:05] <fowlduck-> supposing I have a directory full of debs, including all dependency packages, is there a way to install all of them in the proper order so as to not have to sort them by dependencies?
[08:05] <crimsun> fowlduck-: sure, just chuck them at dpkg
[08:06] <fowlduck-> crimsun, dpkg -i *.deb?
[08:06] <crimsun> yep
[08:06] <fowlduck-> sweeeeet, danke
[08:06] <crimsun> bitte
[08:06] <crimsun> 'morning sivang
[08:06] <fowlduck-> too many world war 2 games, i think
[08:07] <crimsun> nixternal: potentially very. That's Edgy, though, no?
[08:07] <nixternal> ya
[08:13] <nixternal> crimsun: i also noticed i have 'W: Failure while configuring base packages' errors
[08:13] <crimsun> nixternal: they probably have to do with Edgy being Edgy.
[08:14] <nixternal> hehe...maybe if i wait, and rebuild later then?
[08:14] <crimsun> possible
[08:14] <nixternal> i have seen that error b4 when i did anything with a repo and a file was being up'd to it
[08:32] <fowlduck> crimsun, I'm currently using 'dh_install scalpel /usr/bin' to install that file in that directory.  Is there another way to do this, or is this the official way?
[09:10] <crimsun> fowlduck: you can use dh_install(1), sure
[09:11] <fowlduck> crimsun, so keep it how it is?
[09:12] <crimsun> fowlduck: or use .install
[09:12] <fowlduck> crimsun, i couldn't figure out .install
[09:12] <crimsun> see the examples in dh_install(1)?
[09:13] <fowlduck> yep, didn't make sense to me though, I'm sorry.  I know this is annoying
[09:49] <dholbach> good morning motu world
[09:49] <Lathiat> afternoon
[09:50] <\sh> moins
[09:54] <fowlduck> hi
[10:02] <fowlduck> My pbuild is failing and I can't figure out why, could someone take a look? http://pastebin.ca/78571
[10:04] <crimsun> line 184
[10:04] <crimsun> where is 'foremost.sgml' in the source tree?
[10:04] <fowlduck> in the source root
[10:05] <crimsun> meaning in foremost-version/  and not in foremost-version/ubuntu/ ?
[10:05] <fowlduck> ummm, yes
[10:06] <crimsun> then your path, as used on line 184, is incorrect
[10:06] <crimsun> instead of
[10:06] <crimsun> docbook-to-man ubuntu/foremost.sgml > foremost.1
[10:06] <crimsun> it should be
[10:07] <crimsun> docbook-to-man $(pwd)/foremost.sgml > foremost.1
[10:07] <crimsun> or just: docbook-to-man foremost.sgml > foremost.1
[10:08] <fowlduck> trying the first one now
[10:09] <crimsun> (they're equivalent)
[10:09] <fowlduck> hmmm, still fails
[10:09] <fowlduck> same error
[10:10] <fowlduck> so that would mean it's not getting copied to the source during debuild -S?
[10:10] <crimsun> extract the source package that you're pbuilding and check if it's in there
[10:10] <fowlduck> oh, haha, it's already converted
[10:11] <crimsun> settles that.
[10:14] <DarkMageZ> with svn, is it possible to downgrade to a particular revision?
[10:14] <DarkMageZ> normally i'd just wipe the whole lot, and get it all clean... but this is a 400mb+ codebase
[10:16] <fowlduck> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/78576
[10:17] <fowlduck> crimsun, is it because I'm attempting to install into /usr/local?
[10:17] <crimsun> yes
[10:17] <fowlduck> cool, thanks
[10:17] <crimsun> you need to install into $(pwd)/debian/foobarblah
[10:20] <fowlduck> hmmm, that would require changing their makefile
[10:21] <crimsun> yes, that's why $DESTDIR is used
[10:28] <fowlduck> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/78582
[10:28] <fowlduck> still throwin errors in my face, I must be missing something, any thoughts ?
[10:30] <crimsun> (sec, I'm at work)
[10:30] <crimsun> line 12
[10:30] <fowlduck> crimsun, no problem :)
[10:30] <crimsun> why do you insist on installing to the system-wide /usr/ ?
[10:30] <crimsun> it needs to be installed relative the extracted source
[10:31] <crimsun> relative to^
[10:31] <fowlduck> ohhhh, ok
[10:31] <fowlduck> wait, that install is  in their makefile
[10:31] <fowlduck> not in the rules
[10:31] <crimsun> hack the Makefile to honour $DESTDIR
[10:32] <fowlduck> crimsun, ok, i'll do my best, thanks
[10:33] <Toadstool> 'morning
[10:33] <fowlduck> mornin
[10:43] <fowlduck> g'mornin
[10:43] <fowlduck> crimsun, how do I make it honour $DESTDIR?
[10:44] <crimsun> fowlduck: change the destination
[10:45] <crimsun> $(DESTDIR)
[10:45] <crimsun> then in debian/rules, make sure you pass DESTDIR=$(pwd)/debian/foobarblah
[10:46] <fowlduck> crimsun, it uses three different destinations, one for man, one for bin, and one for conf
[10:46] <crimsun> surely you can coalesce them?
[10:48] <crimsun> if they install to $DESTDIR/usr/share/man/, $DESTDIR/usr/bin/, and $DESTDIR/etc/, respectively, that would be sufficient
[10:48] <fowlduck> Well, I'd have to install them in the same directory then, currently BIN=/usr/bin, MAN=/usr/share/man/man1/, and CONF=....
[10:48] <fowlduck> ok, cool
[10:48] <fowlduck> heh, sorry about all the dumb questions, I'm tryin here :D
[10:48] <crimsun> I take it this package does not use autotools?
[10:49] <fowlduck> nope
[10:49] <crimsun> ah.
[10:49] <fowlduck> not that I can tell, I guess I don't know what autotools are
[10:49] <crimsun> autoconf, automake, libtool
[10:49] <fowlduck> autoconf i'd guess, I've seen that before
[10:50] <crimsun> ./configure && make && make install, etc.
[10:50] <fowlduck> no configure, but make and make install it has
[10:50] <crimsun> right, that's fairly standard Makefile
[10:54] <crimsun> ->meeting.
[10:54] <fowlduck> crimsun, ok, thanks :D
[11:07] <fowlduck> still here, don't worry ;)
[11:19] <cbx33> hi all
[11:19] <cbx33> any one here setup xgl and compiz?
[11:19] <cbx33> on amd64?
[11:23] <\sh> cbx33: wrong channel, please use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-xgl
[11:26] <cbx33> thankx \sh
[11:26] <cbx33> I'll do that when I get home
[11:27] <cbx33> I can't get into those channels right now cgi-irc isn't configured
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hi all
[11:37] <Yagisan> evening Hobbsee
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hey Yagisan :)
[11:39] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I'm not feeling to well today. Somewhat out of my head :( On the other hand, my coding ability seems to be on fire today o_O
[11:42] <\sh> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:42] <\sh>   aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but it is not installable
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: hehe yay!
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: probably a side effect of not feeling well
[12:10] <dabaR> the dapper version of hplip says it is 0.9.7. On the hplip site, they have 1.6.6. Is it really that big of a gap between the newest and ubuntu versions?
[12:10] <dabaR> I have a printer that is acting wonky, so I am looking into compiling the newest version.
[01:53] <fowlduck> crimsun, ping
[01:56] <Toadstool> re
[01:56] <fowlduck> howdy
[01:58] <zul> hey
[01:59] <ajmitch> hi zul
[01:59] <\sh> bin-i386/diet gcc -pipe -nostdinc -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -falign-functions=1 -falign-jumps=1 -falign-loops=1 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -Wall -W -Wchar-subscripts -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-switch -Wno-unused -Wredundant-decls -o bin-i386/elftrunc contrib/elftrunc.c
[01:59] <\sh> make[1] : *** [bin-i386/elftrunc]  Segmentation fault
[01:59] <zul> hey ajmitch how is it going?
[01:59] <\sh> -EFCK
[01:59] <ajmitch> alright
[01:59] <zul> goody..
[01:59] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[01:59] <ajmitch> hello \sh
[01:59] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[02:00] <Yagisan> I've decided I like cmake
[02:00] <Yagisan> 3 seconds to configure, rather then 30+
[02:00] <Yagisan> readable output
[02:03] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I signed your key yesterday. All you need to do is sync it. (and not forget me)
[02:03] <ajmitch> alright
[02:03] <ajmitch> I've got your business card here, will sign now
[02:03] <ajmitch> hey whiprush
[02:04] <Yagisan> ajmitch: handy having fingerprints on the business card isn't it :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> Yagisan: quite
[02:06] <ajmitch> you should get an email soon (I hope)
[02:07] <ajmitch> :P
[02:08] <ajmitch> ok, back later (sometime)
[02:08] <Yagisan> no worries
[02:09] <\sh> if someone would approve https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/fonttools/+bug/51824 thx mom sync
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51824 in fonttools "sync fonttools 1.99+2.0b1+cvs20060225-1 from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[02:15] <seaLne> i can't remember how syncing with debian works is everything that wasn't changed in ubuntu automatically done?
[02:15] <tseng> no
[02:16] <tseng> if you have an ubuntu version you have to merge it by hand
[02:16] <tseng> or rather, fix up the merge from MoM
[02:16] <tseng> if you are into that kind of thing
[02:16] <seaLne> i mean if there is no ubuntu version the current in dapper is just the debian package
[02:16] <tseng> so it is just updated
[02:17] <seaLne> but it will be done, just in awhile
[02:18] <fowlduck> crimsun, ping
[02:24] <fowlduck> so, i'm packaging this app, and I'm wondering what determines the directory structure of the pbuild environment?
[02:24] <tseng> I don't understand that question
[02:24] <tseng> what directory structure
[02:25] <fowlduck> I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/78677
[02:26] <tseng> install: target `/ubuntu/foremost/usr/bin/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
[02:26] <tseng> right where in the world did you come up with that
[02:26] <fowlduck> was in the makefile
[02:26] <tseng> I doubt it.
[02:26] <tseng> unless it has a hard time with DISTDIR
[02:26] <fowlduck> had to make it use destdir
[02:27] <fowlduck> modify it
[02:27] <tseng> right dest
[02:27] <fowlduck> crimsun was helpin me
[02:27] <tseng> well, it still isnt using it
[02:27] <tseng> or you set it in a very bizzare way
[02:28] <fowlduck> tseng, could you maybe take a peek at my makefile and rules?
[02:28] <tseng> pretty busy merging monodevelop unfortunately
[02:28] <fowlduck> awww, ok, thanks though
[02:29] <tseng> what did you set DESTDIR to
[02:29] <fowlduck> $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(pwd)/ubuntu/foremost
[02:30] <fowlduck> i'm thoroughly confused :(
[02:30] <tseng> it isnt PWD
[02:30] <tseng> and it isnt ubuntu
[02:30] <tseng> $(CURDIR)/debian/foremost
[02:30] <tseng> is alot closer
[02:30] <fowlduck> i'll give it a shot, thanks
[02:30] <fowlduck> should foremost have the version?
[02:31] <tseng>     $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp
[02:31] <tseng> is an example
[02:31] <fowlduck> ok
[02:31] <fowlduck> thx, i'll give it a run
[02:33] <fowlduck> tseng, wow, it got further than before, thanks! :)
[02:33] <tseng> np
[02:34] <fowlduck> sweet, it finished
[02:34] <fowlduck> now time to test
[02:36] <fowlduck> awesome, they're both done, it's all done!
[02:37] <fowlduck> tseng, so it automatically creates a "debian/packagename" directory in the pbulder environment, into which the files are installed?
[02:37] <tseng> the "pbuilder environment" has nothing to do with it
[02:38] <fowlduck> ok?
[02:38] <tseng> but yes if makes a folder where you put the DESTDIR, under debian/foo
[02:38] <tseng> and from that
[02:38] <tseng> you copy those files into the package
[02:38] <tseng> to ultimately be installed on your real filesystem
[02:38] <fowlduck> "if makes"
[02:38] <tseng> in between make install and building the package you can add/move/delete files
[02:39] <tseng> ...it
[02:40] <fowlduck> and the files are installed under debian/foo with the same path they would have in the real filesystem?  ex: /usr/bin/foremost would be in $(CURDIR)/debian/foremost/usr/bin/foremost?
[02:41] <tseng> yes
[02:42] <fowlduck> ok, i see, so it's more or less a template of where they will go in the actual filesystem.  The dirs file holds what directories are to be created in the mock filesystem and make install actually puts them there
[02:42] <fowlduck> this is all making some sort of crazy sense now
[02:42] <tseng> good.
[02:42] <fowlduck> thanks again, you motu guys rock
[02:42] <tseng> np
[02:53] <tseng> hi whiprush
[02:55] <fowlduck> hi whiprush, i don't know you but hello nonetheless
[02:55] <jsgotangco> whiprush: jorge castro!
[02:55] <jsgotangco> :D
[02:57] <tseng> hah..
[03:14] <Hobbsee> boo!
[03:15] <Mithrandir> hi Hobbsee
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir :)
[03:16] <Mithrandir> 'sup?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: not much, dropped ajmitch back at his hotel
[04:02] <seaLne> what should the build-dep be for something that requires kernel headers?
[04:34] <fowlduck> which debhelper command is used to install configuration files?
[04:35] <azeem> the regular dh_install
[04:35] <fowlduck> azeem, and dh_install can't be used on two lines in a row, right?
[04:35] <fowlduck> ex:
[04:35] <fowlduck> dh_install scalpel /usr/bin
[04:36] <fowlduck> dh_install scalpel.conf /etc/scalpel
[04:36] <fowlduck> you can't double that up like that, can you?
[04:36] <azeem> I think you can
[04:36] <azeem> or just put that information into debian/<package>.install
[04:40] <fowlduck> building now, lets see if I have it
[04:40] <fowlduck> i think i'm getting the hang of this packaging stuff
[04:45] <fowlduck> wow, i'm actually half-way competent.  I made that change without a hitch
[04:52] <fowlduck> is there any reason that everything would be removed when removing the packages except the configuration files and their directories?  Is that default behaviour?
[04:54] <seaLne> if it thinks they have been changed, yes
[04:55] <fowlduck> seaLne, hmm, well they haven't been.  Is there something I need to do in the rules to make them be removed?
[04:59] <seaLne> not sure, i presume they go with --purge?
[05:00] <fowlduck> let me try
[05:16] <cypher_> is a chroot mandatory for building a package ?
[05:16] <fowlduck> seaLne, no, purge doesn't work, it seems
[05:17] <azeem> cypher_: it's at least highly recommended
[05:17] <cypher_> azeem, is it for finding the dependencies or something else ?
[05:18] <azeem> but as Ubuntu does not allow binary uploads your possibly broken build environment will not affect users
[05:18] <tseng> unless the chroot on the buildd is broken too :)
[05:18] <tseng> but yes, its generally good
[05:19] <azeem> tseng: well, then it's at least not your fault :)
[05:19] <cypher_> azeem, i am trying to build a package..
[05:19] <cypher_> :)
[05:20] <dholbach> anyone care to rebuild  anjuta gnome-apt gnome-mud grip gtk-sharp gtk-sharp2 gtk-sharp-unstable gtkterm  for libvte4 -> libvte9 transition?
[05:20] <fowlduck> tseng, what is the method of indicating what the configuration files are so that they will be removed with the packages?
[05:20] <cypher_> hi dholbach !!
[05:20] <azeem> cypher_: a chroot is most handy if you want to build for a version of Ubuntu you do not have installed (like edgy packages on your dapper system)
[05:20] <tseng> dholbach: i can do gtk-sharp stuff
[05:20] <dholbach> hi cypher_
[05:20] <tseng> jeez
[05:20] <dholbach> tseng: nice :)
[05:20] <tseng> we still have gkt-sharp-unstable?
[05:20] <fowlduck> dholbach, let me get right on that....j/k ;)
[05:20] <tseng> i have asked at least 4 times
[05:20] <tseng> to have it removed
[05:20] <azeem> fowlduck: are you bddebian?
[05:21] <azeem> hrm, no
[05:21] <fowlduck> azeem, nope
[05:21] <tseng> dholbach: I will not build gtk-sharp-unstable, it should not exist
[05:22] <dholbach> tseng: file a bug and assign it to ubuntu-archive
[05:22] <tseng> I am tired of that
[05:22] <tseng> but ok maybe in a bit
[05:24] <tseng> dholbach: gtk-sharp, gtk-sharp2 are done, enjoy
[05:25] <fowlduck> wow, that was fast
[05:25] <dholbach> rock on
[05:25] <tseng> I'm just that good
[05:26] <fowlduck> you're that good, eh?  Pop Quiz!!! what is the method of indicating what the configuration files are so that they will be removed with the packages?
[05:26] <fowlduck> hehe, i'm sneaky
[05:27] <fowlduck> or not
[05:27] <tseng> give me a second
[05:27] <fowlduck> tseng, ahh, thanks :)
[05:28] <tseng> apache2 was not a good choice to look at ...
[05:28] <fowlduck> oh, hum
[05:29] <tseng> it might just be things in /etc
[05:29] <fowlduck> tseng, precisely what I'm trying to remove
[05:29] <fowlduck> tseng, specifically with dpkg -r purge package
[05:29] <tseng> yes?
[05:30] <fowlduck> so how do I go about identifying them to debhelper?
[05:30] <fowlduck> as conf files
[05:30] <tseng> i dont understand
[05:30] <tseng> your statements seem contradictory
[05:31] <fowlduck> ok, as it is my conf files are not being removed for some reason, even when I do a purge.  I'm trying to figure out how to allow them to be removed with purge, but not with normal package removal
[05:31] <fowlduck> as in, I'm trying to figure out how to get dpkg to treat them as conf files
[05:31] <tseng> beats me
[05:31] <fowlduck> whereas right now it seems oblivious to their existence during removal
[05:31] <fowlduck> ok
[05:31] <fowlduck> thanks
[05:32] <tseng> I dont package daemons
[05:33] <fowlduck> I'm going to try adding conffiles.ex, the docs seem to indicate to me that this isn't correct, but it's worth a shot
[05:34] <fowlduck> i'll let ya know
[05:58] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[05:59] <fowlduck> g'nte
[06:05] <dholbach> anyone care to rebuild  anjuta gnome-apt gnome-mud grip gtkterm  for libvte4 -> libvte9 transition?
[06:07] <fowlduck> i wish I could dholbach :/
[06:07] <fowlduck> maybe one day
[06:07] <tseng> I wish i could be dholbach too
[06:07] <tseng> I can help you, though
[06:07] <fowlduck> he's my hero
[06:07] <fowlduck> ;D
[06:08] <fowlduck> help me or dholbach?
[06:08] <dholbach> haha - you're all flattering me
[06:09] <tseng> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tseng/179778218/
[06:09] <tseng> what a guy!
[06:10] <dholbach> nice pictures :)
[06:17] <cypher1> tseng, is that you in the photo ?
[06:18] <dholbach> that's me :)
[06:18] <cypher1> oops
[06:18] <cypher1> great
[06:19] <cypher1> what was that conference ?
[06:19] <cypher1> gnome ?
[06:19] <dholbach> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tseng/179759225/ is another one
[06:19] <dholbach> yeah, that was at GUADEC - just some days ago :)
[06:20] <azeem> dholbach: hey I'm curious - was anybody using latex-beamer for their presentations?
[06:20] <dholbach> azeem: i didn't ask around
[06:20] <hub> what is it?
[06:20] <hub> azeem: lot of people just use OpenOffice
[06:20] <dholbach> yeah, i used it to
[06:21] <azeem> hub: it's lets you make spiffy .pdf presentations using LaTeX
[06:21] <azeem> guess it's nicer for scientific people
[06:21] <cypher1> dholbach, u look great..
[06:21] <dholbach> it's the rare occasions where i test ooo (what we leave our users with) :)
[06:21] <dholbach> cypher1: you make me blush :)
[06:21] <cypher1> where was the conference
[06:22] <hub> dholbach: I use OOo only for the presentation program
[06:22] <hub> dholbach: I might give KPresent a try next time
[06:22] <dholbach> cypher1: near Barcelona
[06:22] <hub> cypher1: spain
[06:22] <cypher1> no i thought people will be fat after siting for a long time
[06:22] <cypher1> cool
[06:22] <azeem> cypher1: dholbach is mental, he doesn't sit while hacking
[06:23] <cypher1> :)
[06:23] <dholbach> azeem: hahahaha :)
[06:23] <cypher1> i am getting fat need to do something for that
[06:24] <cypher1> although i do not much :)
[06:24] <cypher1> dholbach, is ben collins also from canonical ?
[06:25] <dholbach> cypher1: yes, he's BenC in all the channels
[06:25] <dholbach> azeem: outside on a big tv screen?
[06:25] <fowlduck> I understand that you identify manpages in packagename.manpages, regular files (bin file) in packagename.install, but where do you identify configuration files?
[06:25] <azeem> dunno yet
[06:26] <azeem> nobody wants to come along for the Theresienwiese
[06:26] <azeem> there's a place with a free Adam Green concert afterwards
[06:26] <fbond> fowlduck, packagename.conffiles, I believe
[06:26] <fowlduck> fbond, many thanks
[06:27] <fowlduck> any idea how it decides where to install it?
[06:27] <fbond> hmm, one sec let me look at a package I did
[06:27] <azeem> you have to install them yourself, they just get flagged as conffiles then, AFAIK
[06:27] <fowlduck> does it need to be similar to packagename.install, where it's package name then path
[06:28] <fowlduck> azeem, so they must be included in packagename.install then
[06:28] <azeem> yes, I think so
[06:28] <tseng> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tseng/179758311/in/photostream/
[06:29] <tseng> you too can be Daniel Holbach
[06:29] <cypher1> we have to download a lot of things in breezy to compile a kde source :(
[06:29] <fbond> fowlduck, I think that debhelper will automatically assume anything in /etc is a conffile anyway, so you may not need to worry about it
[06:29] <fbond> in fact, if you include a conffiles file, and debhelper also picks  up your conffiles, you can get an error
[06:29] <azeem> tseng: that's obviously a forged nameplate, or did Canonical change its corporate logo?
[06:30] <tseng> azeem: erm, the stamp means "lunch"
[06:30] <azeem> ah, that was my second guess
[06:30] <tseng> a half sun was for breakfast
[06:30] <tseng> which was useless
[06:30] <fowlduck> fbond, so leave off conffile and add it to packagename.install
[06:30] <azeem> they just didn't bother with breakfast for this year's Debconf
[06:31] <tseng> i love a good breakfast
[06:31] <tseng> bread is not breakfast
[06:32] <hub> so canonical is hiring again?
[06:32] <tseng> uh
[06:32] <tseng> http://www.ubuntu.com/employment
[06:35] <fowlduck> hmmm, debian's packaging guide recommends managing conf files in maintainer scripts
[06:36] <tseng> haha
[06:36] <tseng> dholbach's badge just got 19 views
[06:36] <dholbach> ;)
[06:37] <tseng> 15 for andreas!
[06:37] <cypher1> i viewed 2 times :)
[06:37] <azeem> dholbach: just proves people are more interested in your identity than your personality
[06:37] <cypher1> ha lol
[06:37] <cypher1> azeem, lol
[06:37] <tseng> 17 views for his hot mug
[06:37] <tseng> its close.
[06:38] <dholbach> bye azeem
[06:38] <cypher1> any US people here ?
[06:39] <tseng> yes of course
[06:39] <tseng> man
[06:40] <tseng> qemu could not be any slower to boot a livecd
[06:40] <fowlduck> cypher1, i'm not celebrating this year :/
[06:40] <cypher1> fowlduck, why
[06:41] <fowlduck> cypher1, my wife usually plans these sort of things and she's out of town.  I'm rather reclusive and I have work to do anyways
[06:41] <fowlduck> besides, it's too hot out
[06:41] <tseng> hah, too hot
[06:41] <tseng> good one
[06:41] <fowlduck> yeh
[06:42] <fowlduck> i can't hand heat
[06:42] <fowlduck> handle*
[06:42] <tseng> try Barcelona
[06:42] <fowlduck> never have been able to
[06:42] <fowlduck> ouch
[06:42] <fowlduck> hot?
[06:42] <tseng> it is 10F cooler than Philly atm
[06:42] <tseng> the difference is Philly has fans and AC
[06:42] <fowlduck> ha
[06:42] <tseng> BCN is swealtering
[06:44] <fowlduck> ick
[06:45] <fowlduck> want to know what too hot is for me?
[06:45] <tseng> no
[06:45] <fowlduck> ok
[06:45] <tseng> 72?
[06:45] <fowlduck> no, you didn't wanna know
[06:45] <tseng> ok then.
[06:45] <fowlduck> :)
[06:45] <fowlduck> ok ok, anything > 75
[06:47] <fowlduck> i'd die in BCN
[06:47] <fowlduck> don't get any ideas, now
[06:51] <fowlduck> tseng, do you know if there is a way to tell with what options dpkg was called, from within the postrm script?
[06:51] <tseng> no
[06:51] <fowlduck> no you don't know?  or no there isn't
[06:51] <tseng> i think you should be looking for the documentation on this particular issue rather than continuing to ask me
[06:52] <tseng> I am not getting any smarter :)
[06:52] <fowlduck> tseng, ok
[06:52] <fowlduck> sorry, and thanks
[07:20] <cypher1>  why does kde-dev has a dependency on konqueror.. ?? lol
[07:30] <fowlduck> tseng, i found out how to handle those conf files.  you install them normally using dh_install, then you use postrm to remove them.  postrm is always called with an argument of either purge or remove.  If remove is used then postrm is not deleted and is available to be used for purging later.  If purge is used then postrm is run then removed.
[07:30] <fowlduck> tseng, nice and simple :)
[07:38] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> later :)
[07:46] <cypher1> is qlist.h part of Qt3 also ?
[07:48] <dholbach> according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=qlist.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=edgy&arch=i386 it's in libqt3-compat-headers and libqt4-dev
[07:48] <dholbach> fellas - I'm off
[07:48] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[07:48] <dholbach> *wave*
[07:49] <ogra> ciao dholbach
[07:49] <fowlduck> dholbach, stay outta trouble :)
[07:49] <dholbach> bye ogra
[07:49] <dholbach> fowlduck: o/~ trouble loves me o/~
[07:49] <ogra> do you go out to the fan mile ?
[07:49] <dholbach> see you fowlduck
[07:49] <fowlduck> laters ;)
[07:49] <dholbach> ogra: nah, I'll go to a nice ice cream shop near me and they have a big tv screen there which will be crowded with people already :)
[07:50] <cypher1> dholbach, yes i guessed it i was installing the compat headers
[07:50] <cypher1> dholbach, thanks :)
[07:50] <ogra> dholbach, ah, cool
[07:50] <dholbach> cypher1: de rien
[07:50] <cypher1> dholbach, bye :)
[07:50] <dholbach> see you *Wave*
[07:51] <ogra> ciao
[07:51] <cypher1> dholbach, may deustchland win
[07:54] <tseng> fowlduck: cool.
[08:08] <cypher1> am i supposed to create the control file
[08:08] <cypher1> while packaging ?
[08:09] <fowlduck> cypher1, you should, but shouldn't dh_make take care of that for you?
[08:09] <cypher1> i am without any tools i think
[08:09] <cypher1> i was trying dpkg-deb
[08:09] <cypher1> no chroot :)
[08:09] <fowlduck> heh, why?
[08:09] <cypher1> just built a binary from the package
[08:09] <fowlduck> just wondering
[08:10] <cypher1> i need to create a ubuntu minial installation on the new chroot ?
[08:10] <fowlduck> cypher1, things that pbuilder makes easy :)
[08:14] <cypher1> we need a .dsc for build using pbuilder ?
[08:15] <hub> cypher1: yep
[08:17] <cypher1> if it is not there we have to create it ?
[08:18] <cypher1> i downloaded a kde application soure and built successfully
[08:18] <cypher1> but no .dsc file
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> Does ANYONE know htf to get rid of xfonts-dosemu
[08:24] <hub> what does depends on it?
[08:24] <hub> cypher1: debuild -S
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> hub:  it's trying to tell update-fonts-dir to do something
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> update-fonts-dir --x11r7-layout misc
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> that's what it's trying to do.
[08:26] <cypher1> hub, hold on
[08:27] <crimsun> we haven't transitioned to --x11r7-layout yet
[08:27] <cypher1> debuild: fatal error at line 521:
[08:27] <cypher1> cannot find readable debian/changelog anywhere!
[08:27] <cypher1> Are you in the source code tree?
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> crimsun: $2- was the bash syntax right?
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> i HATE the bash man page
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> searching for anything is impossible.
[08:28] <cypher1> hub, did you saw that error
[08:28] <bluefoxicy>  /shift or /if ...
[08:28] <hub> cypher1: that means you are not in a package tree
[08:31] <cypher1> hub let me try debhelper :)
[08:32] <bluefoxicy> holy shit
[08:32] <bluefoxicy> it fork b,ombed.
[08:32] <bluefoxicy>  /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir: 3: Cannot fork
[08:35] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:/usr/bin$ ps -e|grep update-fonts|wc -l
[08:35] <bluefoxicy> 10897
[08:35] <bluefoxicy> no, screw that.
[08:36] <bluefoxicy> guys friggin ' help me we'2re at war here, I'm losing memory fast and the system is getting laggy
[08:41] <cypher1> hub, thanks
[08:43] <cypher1> seems like dh_make and dpkg-deb disagrees :D
[08:43] <cypher1> catch you all later..
[08:43] <cypher1> going to watch germany - italy match on tv
[08:43] <cypher1> bye
[08:46] <fowlduck> do the "menu" files work under ubuntu?
[08:47] <fowlduck> heh, nope
[08:52] <crimsun> fowlduck: yes, they do. You just need the menu-xdg package installed.
[08:52] <fowlduck> crimsun, thanks, and welcome back
[09:02] <fowlduck> apropos menu
[09:02] <fowlduck> oops
[09:12] <fowlduck> how do you add a menu item to the menu?
[09:13] <crimsun> to which menu?
[09:13] <fowlduck> the "start" menu
[09:13] <fowlduck> as in the applications/places/system
[09:13] <crimsun> err...
[09:13] <crimsun> oh, the gnome menu?
[09:14] <fowlduck> yes please :)
[09:14] <crimsun> it just needs a valid fd.o menu entry
[09:14] <crimsun> see the numerous examples in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[09:15] <fowlduck> and then just toss it in there for it to show up?
[09:18] <crimsun> essentially.
[09:19] <crimsun> you may need to call dh_desktop in debian/rules for mime types, etc.
[09:20] <sladen> bluefoxicy: looks like a bug, can you report it please
[09:21] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  it's kind of hackey, I blocked out the --x11r7-layout argument
[09:22] <fowlduck> crimsun, i'm not sure what mime-types are
[09:25] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[09:25] <fowlduck> howdy
[09:26] <bddebian> Hello fowlduck
[09:27] <sladen> bluefoxicy: please file a bug, along with any solution/work around you found
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> sladen: so far my "work-around" is fixing /etc/security/limits.conf so dpkg breaks without fork-bombing my ass.
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> as for making it actually work, nope, it's broken.
[09:29] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: what's the problem?
[09:29] <Amaranth> too many font packages installed?
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  I have xfonts-dosemu installed, its install/remove scripts are busted and it can't install/remove so when it tries to upgrade it breaks
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  this blocks apt/dpkg updating anything else because it tries to finish with xfonts-dosemu first, and then bails when that fails.
[09:30] <Amaranth> kill the remove scripts, uninstall it, then remove it's files manually :P
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  I tried killing its remove scripts, it comes back and says the post-remove script died with status 143 and bails.
[09:31] <Amaranth> o_O
[09:31] <bluefoxicy> I also tried replacing /usr/bin/update-fonts-dir with a shell script that does nothing, or removes --x11r7-layout from the arguments, either way you get a fork bomb
[09:32] <hub> is edgy runnable?
[09:32] <Amaranth> hub: i guess so
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> hub:  don't install dosemu
[09:32] <Amaranth> hub: if you're upgrading from dapper you have to do some fun stuff when you install the 2.6.17 kernel
[09:33] <crimsun> libata transition (hdX -> scX)
[09:33] <Amaranth> yeah
[09:33] <hub> crimsun: I only have sata here
[09:33] <Amaranth> hdX  though
[09:33] <crimsun> hub: moot, though
[09:33] <Amaranth> hub: then no problem
[09:33] <hub> Amaranth: I don't know if I want to move to a more recent kernel
[09:33] <hub> I had to downgrade from dapper final
[09:33] <crimsun> you love the kernel crack.
[09:33] <encolpe> hi
[09:34] <zul> mmmm...crack
[09:34] <hub> because -23 was crashing
[09:34] <Amaranth> 2.6.17 is supposed to have a driver for my card reader
[09:34] <hub> salut encolpe
[09:34] <Amaranth> i'm thinking about backporting it to dapper :P
[09:34] <encolpe> plop hub
[09:34] <hub> Amaranth: -23 in Dapper freeze on wake up
[09:34] <zul> Amaranth: good luck on that
[09:34] <hub> Amaranth: I went down to -19
[09:36] <bluefoxicy> bug filed.
[09:36] <sladen> ta, what's the number?
[09:39] <fowlduck-> ugh, i hit my power cable
[09:42] <bddebian> crimsun: got a sec?
[09:42] <crimsun> bddebian: what's up?
[09:43] <bddebian> crimsun: Mind if I /query?
[09:43] <crimsun> nope
[09:49] <\sh> moins
[09:50] <\sh> live from the world championships
[09:50] <bddebian> Nice
[09:50] <encolpe> Like Brice ?
[09:50] <\sh> germany vs. italy
[09:51] <\sh> germany will loose
[09:51] <Yagisan> pity
[09:51] <Yagisan> maybe they should dive like italy did for a penalty
[09:52] <\sh> my friends here are going to kill me, they are reading whatever I write here
[10:03] <fowlduck> wow, got that package first shot
[10:03] <fowlduck> i feel all special
[10:03] <bddebian> :-)
[10:03] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[10:03] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[10:03] <fowlduck> wb LaserJock
[10:04] <LaserJock> hi fowlduck
[10:04] <fowlduck> LaserJock, did ya hear?  I got this package in one attempt.
[10:04] <fowlduck> i feel all special
[10:04] <LaserJock> yeah, cool.
[10:05] <fowlduck> i was redoing it from when I did it yesterday, but still :D
[10:06] <Amaranth> congrats \sh
[10:06] <\sh> thx
[10:07] <Amaranth> i'm still not even MOTU :P
[10:14] <\sh> Amaranth: it is time
[10:15] <bddebian> \sh++
[10:23] <fowlduck> argh, then a completely separate package i haven't touched just breaks
[10:24] <crimsun> bluekuja: ping, #ubuntu-meeting, your application for ubuntu-dev
[10:41] <fowlduck> heh, had to hack some C to fix it, heh
[11:29] <bddebian> Grr, why can't this piece of crap find CLK_TCK
[11:38] <slomo_> bddebian: CLOCKS_PER_SEC is what you want
[11:39] <bddebian> Well that's what I thought but CLK_TCK is defined CLOCKS_PER_SEC
[11:39] <slomo_> only if some other constants are defined
[11:39] <bddebian> Aye
[11:40] <slomo_> if they have glibc 2.4 it won't afaik
[11:40] <bddebian> Ahhh


[01:28] <HowdyDoody> yes, I did
[01:42] <HowdyDoody> I found the 'mystery' stuff using up 12Gigs.
[01:43] <HowdyDoody> All hiding in /root which is not accessible to user.
[02:22] <HowdyDoody> anyone around tonight ?
[02:31] <TheLordOfTime> no
[02:32] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not around, i'm just here.
[02:34] <HowdyDoody> I've just trashed my upgrade to 12.10.   Thought I was clever doing upgrade with disk, chose that option. too.  Buuuut, I also chose the main user and it BLEW away the old /home/user data and gave me a new blank one.   Ugggh.
[02:34] <TheLordOfTime> and now you know why backups are the golden rule of upgrades
[02:35] <HowdyDoody> First fix is /boot has new stuff on it.    And /dev/sda1  has my main boots stuff on it but 12.04 is latest there.
[02:36] <HowdyDoody> I've copied the contents of /boot to /dev/sda1, but I know there is more to do yet.
[02:38] <HowdyDoody> I need to fix grub on /dev/sda1 to utilize the new stuff copied from /boot.  Not sure how to tackle that.
[10:25] <rmg51> Morning
[13:08] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[13:15] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:20] <waltman> morning
[13:20] <HowdyDoody> Morning
[13:23] <HowdyDoody>   /boot has been fixed, so has nvidia.   The website had a LOT of negative vibes on how ubuntu handles (it doesn't) the install of Nvidia driver.  On to other fixes, now.
[20:16] <waltman> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/01/ask-ars-why-will-apples-do-not-disturb-bug-fix-itself-next-week/


[03:05] <achiang> how do i 'push' patches if the patch system is cdbs? i want to see what the source code looks like when all patches are applied
[03:46] <broder> achiang: i'm pretty sure you can run debian/rules patch
[03:49] <achiang> broder: hm. ok, i'll try that. (my workaround was to say cdbs-edit-patch <name of patch i want to go to>)
[03:49] <achiang> and then issuing exit 1 after i was done looking at the source
[03:59] <achiang> broder: yep, that worked, thanks
[03:59] <broder> np
[05:04] <AtomicSpark> So I have questions! What patches does MOTU apply to Netbeans. Why is the Launchpad project page for it seem to be dead/not touch since 5.x. How do I poke someone to get on the 7.x release which has been RC forever and just released into Ubuntu+2? Etc.
[05:05] <lifeless> AtomicSpark: which launchpad page ? (there are upstream pages and ubuntu pages, the distinction does matter)
[05:06] <AtomicSpark> The Ubuntu package page links to https://launchpad.net/netbeans
[05:06] <AtomicSpark> Which adds packages but doesn't seem to be used for a project. Series and milestones, etc only lists version 5.
[05:07] <lifeless> right
[05:07] <lifeless> launchpad is many things
[05:07] <lifeless> among them are:
[05:08] <lifeless>  - a software forge where software development tools (bugtracker etc) can be used in developing software
[05:08] <lifeless>  - a directory where software *developed elsewhere* can be listed and important metadata added
[05:09] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/netbeans has on its front a link to the real home page - 'Home page' -> http://www.netbeans.org/products/platform/
[05:09] <lifeless> so its in the second category
[05:14] <AtomicSpark> It looks like the ubuntu package just adds Software Center metadata to it.
[05:15] <lifeless> and packaging rules I expect
[05:15] <lifeless> the diff on the source package page is authoritative
[05:17] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/netbeans_6.9-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[05:17] <lifeless> (from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbeans/6.9-0ubuntu2)
[05:20] <AtomicSpark> Netbeans is incredibly outdated in Debian. Even in sid. Looks like it needs maintainers.
[05:20] <AtomicSpark> Sad, Eclipse doesn't handle J2EE stuff very well.
[05:21] <micahg> AtomicSpark: in the past, someone from sun was updating it
[05:24] <AtomicSpark> Well. Maybe now that 7.0 is relased, someone will magically package it for 11.10.
[05:26] <micahg> AtomicSpark: feel free to give it a shot :)
[05:31] <AtomicSpark> micahg: I just might do that. Hopefully the dependancies haven't changed/we get a build failure. Debian seems to be having issues with Netbeans. Was reading http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543907
[05:38] <micahg> AtomicSpark: you might want to join the Debian pkg-java team and ask what you can do to help
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:46] <laszlok> I am the upstream maintainer for glipper (a clipboard gnome applet). Who should I contact about getting the new version with app indicator support from my PPA into universe? (Otherwise the app is useless in Unity)
[08:49] <dholbach> hey laszlok, try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[08:50] <dholbach> laszlok, best to file a bug on the ubuntu package and link to the ppa package and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors (and ubuntu-release because we're after almost all freeze dates already)
[08:53] <laszlok> dholbach: so I can just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors, and they will notice it, or should I follow up?
[08:54] <dholbach> they will notice it
[08:54] <dholbach> if they have questions/concerns they'll leave comments in the bug
[08:55] <laszlok> ok thanks
[10:07]  * laszlok hugs dholbach
[10:36]  * dholbach hugs laszlok back :)
[11:52] <evaluate> Hello.
[11:54] <evaluate> A package of mine seems to have problems with the application indicator fallback. That means if the program is compiled with application indicator support, but the user doesn't use the indicator, but the systray, the app crashes.
[11:54] <evaluate> I'm not sure where exactly the problem is, but I'd guess it's with the application indicator fallback, since both the application indicator and the program compiled without the indicator support work perfectly fine.
[11:56] <evaluate> I thought about having the normal package and then an additional package -indicator. The normal would be built without indicator support and the -indicator one with indicator support and they could 'Conflict' with each other, so that a user can't have them both installed. This would solve the problems, I'm not sure if this is acceptable though...
[11:58] <evaluate> Also, I'd regard the bug report as RC (since the program isn't usable at all if the user doesn't use the indicator), I can't change it accordingly though.   Which package/program, and are there any bug numbers already filed in the bug tracker?
[12:24] <sladen> evaluate: (my apologies if I missed it in the above)
[12:24] <evaluate> sladen, no, it was my bad that I didn't mention it. The package I'm talking about is 'clipit' and the bug is #702316
[12:24] <evaluate> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clipit/+bug/702316
[12:34] <evaluate> sladen, so basically from what I can tell, there would be 3 solutions to this problem. Either the ayatana guys fix the fallback, which I find highly unlikely in the remaining time until the relaease, or clipit should drop indicator support for good or offer 2 packages to users, one with indicator support, the other one without.
[12:35] <sladen> evaluate: I've updated the description for the bug to try and give a better high-level context.  Would you be able to read it over and confirm that it's accurate (I've had to guess/fill in the gaps)
[12:36] <sladen> evaluate: all very good solutions; but before we can figure out /solutions/ we need to work out the problem, and how to reproduce it!
[12:37] <evaluate> sladen, description looks good to me.
[12:37] <evaluate> Thing is, I think fluxbox doesn't have indicator support, but the old systray, that is the reason for the crash and that is also the reason why under a default natty install it works fine.
[12:38] <evaluate> I can easily reproduce the bug in maverick if I install clipit with indicator support and let it run in the systray.
[12:38] <sladen> evaluate: I get a dropbox menu with "About" "Manage History" " Preferences" "Quit"  Is that the fallback
[12:38] <sladen> evaluate: (this is on natty)
[12:38] <sladen> evaluate: oh.  So this bug is *only* about fluxbox?
[12:39] <sladen> evaluate: and nothing in the default configuration?
[12:39] <evaluate> Not sure if that's the fallback or not, let me explain a little.
[12:40] <evaluate> Not all desktop managers support the application indicator and thus, the ayatana guys have written a 'fallback' so that: if I write my program with indicator code (which is a bit different from the systray code) and then run it under a DE which doesn't support indicators, the application indicator automatically applies a fallback, so the program runs just like if it was written with systray code.
[12:40] <evaluate> Hope that makes sense, English isn't my first language...
[12:42] <evaluate> That means, clipit normally is built with indicator support under ubuntu. Under the normal DE, which supports applications indicators, it works perfectly fine, but if a user runs a DE which doesn't support application indicators, the fallback gets applied, which is buggy and makes the program crash X
[12:43] <evaluate> I'm not sure where this fallback exactly lives, if I were to guess, I would say it's probably in the patched GTK code that the ayatan guys have done...
[12:43] <evaluate> ayatana*
[12:44] <evaluate> Also, the bug is not *only* about fluxbox, it's about all DEs that don't support application indicators.
[12:48] <sladen> evaluate: could you pop into #ayatana
[12:56] <sladen> evaluate: could you also click edit and expand the bit about "Parcellite" to give more context.  I don't know what that reference currently is (is it relevant?)
[12:57] <sladen> evaluate: is it saying that Parcellite doesn't cause a crash?
[12:58] <evaluate> Joined #ayatana.
[12:59] <evaluate> Regarding Parcellite, thing is, clipit is forked from Parcellite, so it may be that installing both programs wouldn't work well, I didn't investigate that closely yet.
[13:05] <evaluate> I also think this can be set to 'Confirmed', since there is an easy way to reproduce the bug (at least in maverick there is)
[13:06] <evaluate> And I'm pretty sure that running it in a DE that doesn't support indicators under natty does the exact same thing...
[13:10] <evaluate> I just installed Parcellite too and ran both clipit and Parcellite together and can't see anything misfunctioning. I think that part needs more expanding from the person that reported the bug...
[17:27] <bdmurray> tumbleweed: I've fixed my ubuntu-dev-tools merge proposal based on your feedback


[01:11] <jazzycool> hey guys whenever I try to install anything I get this error
[01:11] <jazzycool> http://pastebin.com/tLmcFw6h
[01:11] <jazzycool> can anyone please help me figure out what it is
[01:16] <jazzycool> guys anyone
[01:16] <jazzycool> ?
[01:32] <valorie> Walzmyn: just control alt f2 - f9 or so
[01:33] <valorie> why would you want a gui way to log into a terminal?
[01:44] <TeraJL> i've created an icon-only task manager, and added chrome, but if chrome is closed when i click it it opens in gedit(editing opt/google/chrome) what it may be? it works fine any where else
[01:44] <The0x539> see, for a second I thought you meant chrome
[01:44] <The0x539> but you actually mean the google browser :|
[01:45] <valorie> chrome or chromium?
[01:45] <valorie> I had `chromium-browser`
[01:45] <valorie> you might try that
[01:45] <TeraJL> chrome
[01:46] <TeraJL> stable
[01:46] <TeraJL> yes, the google browser lol google-chrome-stable, sorry ;)
[01:47] <TheFakeazneD525> TeraJL: does this happen with other icons?
[01:47] <TheFakeazneD525> maybe you set .desktop to open with gedit
[01:47] <TheFakeazneD525> btw, use kate ;)
[01:47] <valorie> apt-cache policy doesn't find a package google-chrome-stable
[01:47] <TeraJL> nop, all of them worked fine till now, and chrome icon on the bar (normal shortcut on the panel, works fine
[01:48] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: oh right, you need the google chrome ppa
[01:48] <TheFakeazneD525> deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
[01:48] <valorie> I've also had to list the browser as `firefox &`
[01:49] <valorie> to get it to work
[01:49] <TeraJL> i've tryed adding an entry on the launcher matchin rules (don't know very well what it does :/ ) but did not help
[01:49] <valorie> so you might try that as well
[01:50] <TeraJL> valorie: ?
[01:50] <valorie> dunno why
[01:51] <valorie> or `chromium-browser ` as it is listed in Konversation
[02:02] <TeraJL> i found this, if any one get the same problem: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=118633 , tthanks for the help
[03:20] <cwide> Hey I was wondering if someone could help me. For some reason whenever I load any Linux distro my USB 2.0 ports don't work but my USB 3.0 ports DO work. Any ideas?
[03:21] <valorie> that's odd
[03:24] <cwide> Yeah tell me about it :/
[03:36] <ardi> doordie
[03:37] <ardi> hi operator
[03:37] <ardi> I need help
[08:59] <georgelappies> hi good people of Kubuntu
[08:59] <georgelappies> any news on when we will get KDE 4.13.1 for Kubuntu 14.04
[09:15] <yossarianuk> 4.13.2 is out now...
[09:16] <yossarianuk> ((I mean KDE 4.13.2 is out - not for kubuntu)
[09:16] <yossarianuk> yes
[09:16] <yossarianuk> yetr
[09:16] <yossarianuk> yet
[09:16] <yossarianuk> (god its early!)
[09:20] <Walex> georgelappies: yossarianuk: Kubuntu PPA
[09:21] <georgelappies> Walex: thanks, what is the exact PPA and steps?
[09:23] <jubo2> Ait..
[09:23] <Walex> georgelappies: good luck!
[09:23] <georgelappies> Walex: :)
[09:23] <jubo2> the HDD -> SDD transfer while I was slept went well
[09:23] <yossarianuk> Don't the point releases get put in the normal stable repo also ?
[09:23] <jubo2> Now I'm installing native Kubuntu on the SSD
[09:24] <Walex> yossarianuk: I hope not. Stable means stable.
[09:27] <georgelappies> the ppa and steps are here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[09:27] <georgelappies> yossarianuk: they used to be in the stable repos, not sure if 14.04 being an LTS has anything to with it
[09:28] <georgelappies> anyhow, KDE point releases ussaully fixes much more than what it breaks :)
[09:31] <yossarianuk> Walex: I mean double point releases really - i.e 4.13 -> 4.13.1 , etc
[09:32] <yossarianuk> There is nothing stable sable keeping packages with know bugs in - which are fixed in later versions....
[09:32] <jubo2> I gave it 2GB SWAP and 38GB root filesystem.. I hope it's gonna be ok
[09:32] <yossarianuk> its the same with Nvidia - its insane not having the latest version (ubuntu devs can't even fix the nvidia driver packages...)
[09:33] <jubo2> the Windows .vdi I'm putting in shouldn't be bigger then 15 or 20GB
[09:33] <yossarianuk> i.e keeping a version of nvidia driver which has known bugs (and supports less h/w than the newer versions.0-
[09:33] <yossarianuk> just my 2cents...
[09:33] <Walex> yossarianuk: actually keeping packages with known bugs in *is* stable: often people put in bug workaround that break is the bug gets fixed :-)
[09:34] <yossarianuk> the open source model works as a rolling release (imo).
[09:34] <Walex> yossarianuk: however LTS is supposed to get backports of bug fixes, even if no backports of whole new versions, like Debian.
[09:35] <Walex> yossarianuk: most free sw is a rolling release, but some distros like Debian, Ubuntu LTS, RHEL and similar ones try to take that risk out.
[09:35] <georgelappies> i am with yossarianukon on this one :) better fix known bugs / exploits as soon as possible
[09:35] <yossarianuk> walex: Yes I know.. with things like KDE 4.x its never been a good idea to stay with the older version.
[09:35] <yossarianuk> however
[09:35] <yossarianuk> unless your running 4.13.2 now your missing out - on feature and bug fixes...
[09:36] <yossarianuk> I understand have the core linux system as non rolling ... (i.e kernel, etc)
[09:36] <georgelappies> if updating does not require replacing half of the system and jumping through hoops of fire I will update as it is available
[09:37] <yossarianuk> Anyway i'd just like to say Kubuntu 14.04 has been truely awesome .. One of the least trouble free systems I have used..
[09:40] <georgelappies> yeah, it blows my mind why Canonical did not gow with KDE as the default, anyway, thanks Jonathan and the rest of the awesome team of Kubuntu contributors ;)
[09:47] <jubo2> run 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' now running 'sudo apt-get install virtualbox'
[09:54] <jubo2> how can I tell if I installed i386 or AMD64 ?
[09:54] <jubo2> I went with the default for Kubuntu 14.04 installer when downloading
[09:54] <georgelappies> jubo2: uname -a
[09:54] <georgelappies> from the command line
[09:55] <georgelappies> if it has this at the end: x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux it is amd64
[09:55] <jubo2> georgelappies: says i686
[09:55] <georgelappies> then it is the 32bit version
[09:55] <georgelappies> i.e. the i386 version
[09:55] <jubo2> yeah.. but it's possible to escape the 4GB memory addresing limit
[09:56] <jubo2> I belive it is the expansion into 32+4 bits
[09:56] <jubo2> so being on 32 bit instead of 64 is no biggie.. plus shouldn't the drivers be more ample with 32-bit ?
[09:56] <georgelappies> it is yes, need to recompile the kernel with PAE (not sure if the default ubuntu 32 bit already has this flag set ot not though)
[09:57] <georgelappies> the os can use more than 3.4gb of RAM, but 32 bit apps are still limited
[09:58] <georgelappies> so with the 32bit os compiled for more than 3.4gb of ram, you can have more 32bit apps running at one time, however a 64bit app will have much, much ram available to use than its 32bit counterpart
[09:59] <jubo2> ok.. managed to install the VirtualBox. Now booting it
[10:05] <georgelappies> will kubuntu 14.10 use KDE 5?
[10:07] <jubo2> Now transferring the .iso to drop into the VirtualBox
[10:24] <yossarianuk> georgelappies: Linux has supported over 3.4GB in 32 bit mode for over a decade (PAE)
[10:24] <yossarianuk> its only crappy os's that couldn't ...
[10:25] <yossarianuk> There is now no reason not to choose 64bit (it should be the default now.)
[10:25] <georgelappies> sure, but not all kernels has the flag set by default
[10:25] <georgelappies> I agree, 64bit should be the default. only use 32bit if your hardware forces you to
[10:26] <yossarianuk> georgelappies: ubuntu has had PAE by default since about 12.04...
[10:26] <yossarianuk> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyNzM
[10:26] <georgelappies> the last 32bit kernel I used was in slackware, I had to manually recompile and install the new kernel with PAE support. That was 5 years ago :)
[10:28] <georgelappies> aah, ok yossarianuk, thanks for the link clearing that up. PAE is default from 12.04
[10:34] <jmad> hi, does kubuntu has a spyware as ubuntu?
[10:36] <hateball> jmad: What are you even talking about
[10:37] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:37] <jubo2> God morgon BluesKaj
[10:38] <BluesKaj> Hi jubo2
[10:38] <jmad> i saw Richard Stallman video and hes talking ubuntu has spyware from amazon
[10:39] <BluesKaj> ahh, coffee !
[10:39] <BluesKaj> the unity desktop , yes
[10:39] <hateball> Well, spyware is a bit extreme. RMS is... special
[10:40] <hateball> Also afaik that is disabled by default in 14.04
[10:41] <BluesKaj> I had a taste of unity, and quickly reinstalled kubuntu on 13.10
[10:42] <Walex> hateball: "spyware" is not extreme. Amazon do their worst to track you.
[10:43] <Walex> hateball: note that things like "webbugs" and other tricks are commonly used and also "spyware".
[10:43] <BluesKaj> haven't bothered trying unity since, not my cuppa tea
[10:44] <Walex> Unity is actually pretty good, quite usable, especially of course in "same stuff on different types of device", but KDE obviously is better for me and many others.
[10:44] <BluesKaj> the spyware thing not withstanding
[10:44] <hateball> As does everyone else, may as well unplug the internet. At any rate it's opt-in now
[10:45] <Walex> hateball: it is not quite as dire as "may as well unplug the internet". One can be careful and simply avoid the worst and still get some usable level of service.
[10:46] <Walex> hateball: it would be a lot better if there were service providers that you could give money to and therefore be considered a customer by them instead of prey.
[10:47] <hateball> k
[10:47] <BluesKaj> Stallman wants to keep FOSS pure. He doesn't like the idea of sneaking commercial links on to a desktop.. declare your enterprise intentions like RHEL
[10:48] <BluesKaj> and I agree with that stand
[11:02] <Walex> BluesKaj: I think that Stallman would disagree with you. Stallman is entirely in favour of commercial work and commercial software and business activities.
[11:03] <Walex> BluesKaj: what he does not like is work, software and business that limit his freedom of choice on how to operate his own equipment.
[11:04] <Walex> BluesKaj: so the issue is not that Amazon or Canonical are commercial businesses: it is that some "spyware" was put in to do stuff behind your back to limit your freedom of choice on how much information you want to give Amazon.
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Walex, think his point was iiirc OSs should declare their commercial/enterprise links and intentions beforehand, that's all
[11:08] <Walex> not so much "declare their  commercial/enterprise links and intentions
[11:09] <Walex> not so much "declare their  commercial/enterprise links and intentions" but give you the choice on how much the software you use will share your own information with third parties, whether this is commercial or not.
[11:10] <BluesKaj> we have a link to amazon on the unity desktop , blah blah would you like to leave it out?...simple
[11:11] <Walex> BluesKaj: that would have been fine, what Canonical did was to send all your searches to Amazon by default without telling you, naughty naughty.
[11:11] <Walex> BTW note that something close to that but not quite that has been done by the amaroK people.
[11:13] <BluesKaj> anyway it's immaterial to me, since kde seems to be free of such stuff, and I don't use amarok :)
[11:13] <Walex> more broadly speaking most people still can't quite relate to software being under the control of the software author, which is not the case for most physical products, because they are passive rather than active stuff.
[11:15] <Walex> e.g. once someone has built a shovel, and sold you the shovel, the shovel does whatever *you* want.
[11:15] <Walex> the issue with software is that software does whatever the software author's want, and what you think are commands to it are actually requests.
[11:17] <Walex> this is what most people don't get: 'ls /' is not a command to list the root directory, it is a request to the author of 'ls' to make it list the root directory. The author of 'ls' can program 'ls' to do as requested or do anything else she wants.
[13:06] <Almano> hello
[13:06] <Almano> i want to ask u sth
[13:06] <The0x539> just ask
[13:07] <Almano> how can i make mine kubuntu look like opensuse 13.1?
[13:07] <yossarianuk> Almano: install a the,e
[13:07] <yossarianuk> *theme*
[13:07] <gry> as I said nobody knows what you mean, you need to find a screenshot online
[13:07] <gry> otherwise your question is incomplete
[13:08] <Almano> can u tell me how to do it? i am new to linux;(
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Almano, install opensuse
[13:09] <BluesKaj> this is kubuntu support
[13:09] <Almano> i want to have ubuntu still.:)
[13:09] <Almano> yeah but i want to have kde on ubuntu with opensuse look
[13:09] <Almano> just it
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Almano, forget it
[13:09] <gry> ddg.gg type "opensuse kde desktop" click images, select an image you like, click it, give an URL here
[13:09] <gry> simple as that
[13:09] <Almano> why should i porget it?
[13:09] <yossarianuk> Almano: ok
[13:10] <yossarianuk> Almano: go to system-settings
[13:10] <Almano> ok i am there
[13:10] <gry> http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/desktop4.png like this? what is the specific thing you like? the layout? or the color?
[13:10] <yossarianuk> go to workspace appaerance
[13:10] <yossarianuk> go to desktop theme
[13:11] <yossarianuk> click 'get new theme'
[13:11] <yossarianuk> scroll down
[13:11] <yossarianuk> - and search open suse
[13:11] <Almano> plz wait a bit:)
[13:11] <yossarianuk> sorry *opensuse*
[13:11] <Almano> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZhcMBJDNZc
[13:11] <Almano> i mean dat look gry:)
[13:12] <gry> thank you; please, follow what yossarianuk said and see if it helps
[13:12] <Almano> ok:) ill see:)
[13:19] <Almano> its still not like it;/
[13:32] <Almano> why i can not install ncons? it says that it can not find file
[13:32] <ikonia> Almano: what is the exact error
[13:32] <Almano> Can not install " oxygen green". Can not find file
[13:33] <ikonia> Almano: how are you trying to install it
[13:33] <Almano> system setings -> icons
[13:33] <Almano> and
[13:33] <Almano> download neew look
[13:33] <ikonia> I'm not familier with that tool
[13:34] <Almano> so what can i do?
[13:34] <Almano> i want to install some icons suite for dark green themes
[13:35] <ikonia> as I don't know the method you are using to install, I can't say
[13:35] <Almano> so what is you method?
[13:36] <ikonia> normally uncompress the icons into my icon folder.
[13:36] <ikonia> but I'm not fully aware of the current kde theme process
[13:36] <Almano> ok.
[13:36] <Almano> and how to change that blue auro of windows?
[13:37] <Almano> to another color?
[13:40] <Almano> ok ty for everything:) cya:)
[15:09] <novakitty> For the last few days, when I try to use Muon Updater or Muon Package Manager, it tells me I didn't provide proper authorization. This problem just appeared out of nowhere, it's worked fine up until now.
[15:10] <novakitty> It's not prompting me for a root password
[15:10] <BluesKaj> novakitty, have you tried apt-get in the konsole?
[15:11] <novakitty> yes that works fine
[15:11] <novakitty> muon just isnt prompting me for authroization, it's just telling me I didn't provide it
[15:12] <BluesKaj> good then you can update/upgrade and dist-upgrade with no need for muon except aas a reference , but it may be an already registered bug on launchpad
[15:13] <novakitty> that's not really the advice I was hoping for...there's times when I like to rely on muon and times I like to use the terminal
[15:15] <BluesKaj> novakitty, then try chmod +x muon in the konsole
[15:16] <novakitty> I just wondered if an update broke something or if this has happened to anyone else
[15:16] <novakitty> muon executes already
[15:16] <BluesKaj> novakitty, it's new to me
[15:16] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:16] <novakitty> let me get you the exact error message
[15:19] <BluesKaj> novakitty, check this out, http://askubuntu.com/questions/103350/how-can-i-provide-proper-authorization-to-the-kde-software-updates-program
[15:19] <novakitty> "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided"
[15:19] <BluesKaj> i have to go now ...stuff to do
[15:19] <novakitty> this happens when I attempt to install something, remove something, update, etc
[15:38] <jaafar> hi all... I just upgraded to Trusty and now the "system settings" won't come up.  That is, K Menu -> System Settings does nothing.....  It's kind of a problem.  Any tips?
[15:48] <genii> jaafar: Might want to try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get purge systemsettings && sudo apt-get install systemsettings
[15:48] <jaafar> genii: I will give that a try, thanks!
[15:51] <jaafar> this is interesting... I can't run "restart" either, from the same menu
[15:52] <genii> Yes, odd.
[15:54] <genii> jaafar: Can you get to the system settings now?
[15:55] <jaafar> genii sadly no
[15:55] <jaafar> restart also doesn't work
[15:55] <jaafar> both just sort of silently fail
[15:55] <jaafar> is the a command line equivalent?
[15:55] <rberg> does "kdesudo systemsettings" in konsole allow you to re-enter your password?
[15:55] <jaafar> oh hey, "systemsettings"
[15:56] <jaafar> yep that works great!
[15:56] <jaafar> pity I can't do it from the K menu :(
[15:57] <jaafar> rberg thanks
[15:57] <jaafar> is there some config file somewhere that might be messed up?
[15:57] <jaafar> maybe due to the version change...
[15:58] <genii> jaafar: Possibly the ~/.kde/share/config/systemsettingsrc
[15:58] <jaafar> that sounds pretty logical, I'll take a look!
[16:00] <jaafar> nah, there's nothing in there that looks relevant
[16:02] <jaafar> oh hey, right click K menu and pick "edit applications"
[16:03] <genii> jaafar: To see if it's anything in the previous settings causing it, you can logoff to lightdm (hopefully!) and then ctrl-alt-F1, login and mv .kde .oldkde     then sudo sync and logoff, alt-F7 to get back to lightdm and see
[16:04] <jaafar> genii: that's a good trick, thanks!
[16:20] <jaafar> hm, well I created a fresh user and they have no issues with the system settings menu
[16:21] <jaafar> is there a log file where output from things launched might appear?
[16:24] <jaafar> the fresh user's settings for the "system settings" item are the same as mine
[16:25] <jaafar> think I'll try redoing my .kde.  Not much important there
[16:34] <jaafar> All right, genii I've just dumped my old .kde and everything is good.  Some stuff is a little not as I like it but that's fixable.  Thanks for your help
[16:34] <genii> jaafar: You're welcome
[16:45] <SouL__> Guys, do you know how to use the Nvidia GPU instead of the intel?
[17:52] <mr-rich> trying to mount my iPhone 5s ... any ideas?
[17:52] <mr-rich> 14.04
[17:52] <mr-rich> get it to work with Amarok ...
[17:58] <ekki> hi! anyone has trouble with locales after upgrade to kde 4.13.2? I can't set language to spanish
[17:59] <genii> mr-rich: Apparently it needs a newer version of libimobiledevice than what comes standard with Trusty. You may want to look at http://itsfoss.com/mount-iphone-ipad-ios-7-ubuntu-13-10/
[18:05] <Almano> hello. i have some issues with mine new ubuntu + kde-desktop. Music players freak out;/
[18:06] <Almano> i can not use multimedia keys on my keybard to change volume
[18:06] <Almano> it change only master volume
[18:06] <Almano> but player volume is the same
[18:06] <Almano> can someone help me?
[18:24] <mr-rich> genii: I saw that and tried to install, but it wouldn't install ...
[18:24] <genii> Probably no 14.04 in the reases for it yet
[18:30] <Almano>  want to change  that awfull kde menu
[18:31] <genii> mr-rich: Maybe contact the PPa maintainer and request a 14.04 version
[18:31] <bprompt> Almano:    hmm change to...?
[18:32] <bprompt> Almano:     as far as the  master and player's volume controls, they're usually independent
[18:32] <mr-rich> genii: found this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/ios7-ipad-iphone-ubuntu-trust
[18:33] <mr-rich> genii: sez I have to reboot ... :(
[18:33] <Almano> ok i solved it. i changed master volume from radeon to  motherboard
[18:33] <Almano> :)
[18:33] <SouL__> Guys, do you know how to use the Nvidia GPU instead of the intel?
[18:34] <bprompt> Almano:    I use kde "classic menu" :)
[18:35] <Almano> yeah but its too simple and that bigger one is to complicated
[18:35] <Almano> i wanted it to look like...
[18:35] <Almano> http://www.mrowe.co.za/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/menu.png
[18:35] <Almano> this:)
[18:36] <bprompt> Almano:    I think that's more or less the "classic" menu
[18:37] <genii> SouL__: Are you using the bumblebee drivers?
[18:37] <bprompt> you can do that by just right-clicking on the "K" icon and choose "classic menu"
[18:37] <Almano> mine cclassic menu looks different;/
[18:37] <SouL__> genii: do you know how can I check that? please
[18:37] <Almano> but its better than that :)
[18:38] <Almano> is there any custom menus?
[18:38] <genii> SouL__: sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy bumblebee
[18:38] <jazzycool> hey guys
[18:39] <jazzycool> I m trying to install softwares using terminal on my Kubuntu but not able to do so as it gives me this error
[18:40] <nwegrzyk> hi all
[18:40] <bprompt> jazzycool:   "this error" ?
[18:40] <jazzycool> http://pastebin.com/aYbghhQr
[18:40] <jazzycool> here is the error
[18:40] <jazzycool> I would appreciate if you guys could help me out
[18:41] <genii> jaafar: Have you tried running the suggested command? eg:  sudo apt-get -f install
[18:42] <jazzycool> yes I did but it gives me the same error
[18:42] <jaafar> :)
[18:43] <genii> Sorry, bat tab-complete there
[18:43] <genii> bad, even
[18:43] <The0x539> the Bat-Tabcomplete?
[18:43] <bprompt> jazzycool:     I'd try to get rid of those 2 packages... see if continues with the error
[18:44] <jazzycool> can you tell me the exact command as it is dealing with the video packages and I dont want to wreck my system as before
[18:44] <bprompt> Almano:    you can always just run another window manager other than "kwin", and depending on what window manager you get, it can really fancy like "enlightment" or not, or have docks like xfce
[18:46] <genii> jazzycool: Did you install some PPA lately or so?
[18:46] <bprompt> jazzycool:     well, is dealing with 1 package only, doesn't mean will get rid of all video drivers,    " sudo apt-get remove arandr xserver-xorg-video-all
[18:46] <jazzycool> nope all I did was get into additional driver gui winodw and installed a propeitary driver that was recommended and it was solved my graphics problem
[18:47] <genii> ( because that's the usual cause of these messgaes, then after that mixed repositories between different *buntu versions)
[18:47] <Almano> ok ty:) it was vey helpfull:)
[18:48] <jazzycool> well thing is I don't have arandr on my computer at all infect when I went into the software center it asked me to install those packages
[18:49] <jazzycool> ok great it actually solved my problem
[18:49] <jazzycool> thanks a lot brother
[18:50] <jazzycool> I appreciate your help you are a genius
[18:51] <bprompt> np
[18:54] <jazzycool> you solved my big problem
[18:54] <jazzycool> thanks brother
[21:18] <SouL__> genii: Hey
[21:19] <SouL__> genii: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/78d780ee
[21:22] <genii> SouL__: How about for bbswitch-dkms ?
[21:25] <SouL__> genii: thanks for helping.. What is that?
[21:25] <genii> From apt-cache: bbswitch-dkms - Interface for toggling the power on nVidia Optimus video cards
[21:27] <rberg> just wrote my first upstart job, much say its pretty nice!
[21:28] <SouL__> genii: I'll search, I don't know that. Thanks
[21:29] <genii> SouL__: I probably won't be here much longer to help, but good luck with it!
[21:35] <SouL__> genii: thanks :)
[23:04] <CrypticByte> how stable is kubuntu?  I been looking for a good kde distro
[23:07] <saiarcot895> CrypticByte: In my opinion, pretty stable
[23:07] <saiarcot895> I find it a little lighter than Unity
[23:11] <CrypticByte> does encrypting your home drive slow your computer down?
[23:13] <saiarcot895> CrypticByte: I haven't seen it, but I never compared the performance with and without encryption
[23:13] <CrypticByte> ok thanks


[14:00] <nigel_nb> popey, around?
[14:27] <popey> nigel_nb: you didnt attach a screenshot
[14:28] <popey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/518012
[14:28] <nigel_nb> oh no! forgot
[14:28] <nigel_nb> attaching
[14:31] <nigel_nb> popey, done!
[14:31] <popey> ta
[14:35] <nigel_nb> popey, could potentially be i386 vs amd64
[14:39] <popey> unlikely
[14:39] <nigel_nb> well, we both checked on fresh vms, what could possibly be differnt
[14:39] <popey> whats the history of your vm?
[14:40] <popey> mine isnt a vm, its the live cd
[14:40] <nigel_nb> history?
[14:40] <nigel_nb> I got the live cd today and installed to VM
[14:40] <popey> well, is it karmic upgraded, an install of lucid upgraded...
[14:40] <nigel_nb> popey, ^
[14:42] <popey> nigel_nb: boot off a live cd to test?
[14:42] <nigel_nb> popey, without install?
[14:43] <popey> yes
[14:43] <popey> thats what I did
[14:43] <nigel_nb> well, I thought its the live cd env that gets installed
[14:43] <nigel_nb> would it change?
[14:43] <popey> well it clearly has for you
[14:44] <popey> i have installed from that live cd and I see the same icons
[14:44] <nigel_nb> popey, I installed from live cd too!
[14:45] <nigel_nb> checking now
[14:45] <nigel_nb> brb
[15:07] <nigel_nb> popey: you're not gone I hope
[15:08] <popey> :)
[15:08] <nigel_nb> well, the same on Live CD too
[15:08] <popey> i have booted i386 live cd and I see [+] and [-]
[15:08] <nigel_nb> strange
[15:08] <nigel_nb> popey: how old is your live CD?
[15:08] <popey> -rw-rw-r--  1 alan alan 680M 2010-02-06 08:09 lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[15:09] <popey> 7 hours
[15:09] <popey> i downloaded it about 5 mins ago
[15:10] <nigel_nb> bah.. I downloaded about 12 hours ago
[15:12] <popey> changing status back to "New"
[23:38] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/TeamReports/10/January
[23:38] <pleia2> if anyone else can think of things to add to it, please do


[13:22] <Zic> sorry to directly ping you but I got no answer yesterday : Unit193, Pici ?
[13:54] <Unit193> Zic: Hi.  I'm not actually part of the IRCC, you want hggdh, Pici, Tm_T, or Flannel.
[13:58] <Zic> Unit193: hi, thanks anyway for hl them :)
[15:13] <hggdh> Zic: re-added you
[15:27] <Zic> hggdh: thanks!
[15:27] <hggdh> Zic:  welcome


[07:40] <mup> PR snapd#13044 closed: many: switch to new restart logic <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13044>
[10:41] <mup> PR snapd#13217 closed: many: replace deprecated ioutil.WriteFile with os.WriteFile <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13217>
[12:11] <mup> PR snapd#13223 opened: many: replace exec.CombinedOutput when output is parsed <Run nested> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13223>
[13:42] <mup> PR snapd#13224 opened: tests: fix selinux-lxd in centos-7 <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13224>
[13:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#4380 opened: ci: download snap to tests dir <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4380>
[14:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#4377 closed: build(deps): bump craft-parts from 1.24.1 to 1.25.1 <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4377>
[16:04] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4381 opened: Library linter spread test fails intermittently <Bug> <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4381>
[16:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#4382 opened: tests: use less mocks in remote-build <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4382>
[16:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#4383 opened: chore: rename remote-build test <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4383>
[17:18] <mup> PR snapd#13204 closed: osutil/epoll: make `e.Wait{,Timeout}()` return immediately when `e.Close()` is called <Squash-merge> <Created by olivercalder> <Merged by olivercalder> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13204>
[19:04] <mup> PR snapd#13225 opened: o/devicestate: refactor remodelEssentialSnapTasks for readability <Created by andrewphelpsj> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13225>
[19:09] <mup> PR snapd#13191 closed: snap/squashfs: enforce a minimum snap size to eliminate some kernel log noise <Squash-merge> <Created by andrewphelpsj> <Merged by andrewphelpsj> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13191>
[19:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#4383 closed: chore: rename remote-build test <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4383>
[21:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#4382 closed: tests: use less mocks in remote-build <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4382>
[21:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#4384 opened: refactor(remote-build): reorganize functions <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4384>
[23:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#4240 closed: tox: exclude submodules from spread-shellcheck <Created by lengau> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4240>


[13:45] <ochosi> Unit193: one wouldn't want both specifically for the reason you mentioned: people have >1 DE installed and then complaining about the "incorrect" notification daemon being used
[13:45] <ochosi> also dbus-start feels more like a "save resources" topic for oldish machines, where having a small daemon running or not really makes a difference...
[16:30] <Unit193> Kind of had the impression if one was running, it'd go to that one.  It got lost if there wasn't one already running.
[17:19] <Unit193> Installed dunst for a little testing.  If xfce4-notifyd is runnint it'll go to that, if dunst is running they'll go to that.  If neither are running, notifications go to xfce4-notifyd.