[01:26] <ricochet> uh hello?
[01:27] <cody-somerville> Hello
[01:28] <ricochet> whats up
[01:28] <cody-somerville> Not much.
[01:28] <cody-somerville> How are you?
[01:29] <ricochet> so what are you running xubuntu on?
[01:29] <ricochet> ohh pretty good thanks for asking
[01:29] <cody-somerville> I'm running it on an Acer Aspire 3000
[01:30] <ricochet> nice, how does it run?
[01:31] <ricochet> are you running Jaunty or Hardy?
[01:31] <cody-somerville> Jaunty
[01:31] <cody-somerville> Runs great
[01:31] <ricochet> dude, i love jaunty on my dell mini 9
[01:31] <ricochet> there were only a few tweaks and it runs like a dream
[01:32] <ricochet> i am a bit of a noob in linux, but i am slowly learning more and more
[01:35] <cody-somerville> :)
[01:35] <cody-somerville> I used to be the same way
[01:56] <DrCheese> Linux is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches.
[01:57] <genii> DrCheese: Why bother trolling here?
[01:57] <genii> Bah
[01:57] <cody-somerville> heh
[01:58]  * genii hands out a round of coffees
[01:58] <cody-somerville> Thanks.
[01:58]  * charlie-tca nods
[01:59] <genii> cody-somerville: Anytime
[02:15] <Orbital85> Hola, alguien habla espanol?
[02:16] <charlie-tca> !es
[02:16] <Orbital85> espanyol
[02:16] <charlie-tca> We use English here. But most items will be the same in Ubuntu and Xubuntu
[02:16] <Orbital85> pero mi problema es con XUBUNTU
[02:17] <charlie-tca> I don't really speak spanish
[02:17] <Orbital85> yo si :D
[02:17] <charlie-tca> XUBUNTU/UBUNTU same
[02:19] <Orbital85> really
[02:19] <Orbital85> ?
[02:19] <charlie-tca> really
[02:20] <charlie-tca> xfce - gnome is the difference
[02:20] <charlie-tca> mostly same
[02:20] <Orbital85> i do not have panels
[02:20] <Orbital85> :D
[02:20] <charlie-tca> !panels
[02:20] <charlie-tca> easy then
[02:22] <Orbital85> how to open a terminal whit alt + f2?
[02:22] <Orbital85> my firefox don't work
[02:22] <charlie-tca> hold alt down and hit F2
[02:23] <Orbital85> and?
[02:23] <charlie-tca> it should open a one-line terminal
[02:23] <charlie-tca> then type  xfce4-panel  and hit enter
[02:23] <Orbital85> ready
[02:25] <charlie-tca> that should have give the panels back
[02:25] <Orbital85> Firefox don't work, i use Isecat
[02:25] <Orbital85> nop
[02:25] <Orbital85> Icecat is not instaled
[02:25] <charlie-tca> did the terminal open?
[02:26] <Orbital85> yep
[02:26] <charlie-tca> for firefox, you need to change permissions in ~/home
[02:26] <Orbital85> i opening the links in icecat
[02:26] <Orbital85> ok
[02:27] <charlie-tca> sudo chown -R your-username:your-username /home/your-username/.mozilla
[02:27] <charlie-tca> will probably fix firefox
[02:28]  * genii hands charlie-tca a coffee
[02:28] <charlie-tca> thank you very much
[02:28] <charlie-tca> I needed that
[02:28] <genii> charlie-tca: Anytime :) I see you took notes from earlier
[02:28] <charlie-tca> yes, I am still learning myself
[02:29] <Orbital85> drwxr-xr-x  6 miguel miguel 4.0K 2009-04-12 21:35 .mozilla
[02:29] <Orbital85> drwxr-xr-x  4 miguel miguel 4.0K 2009-04-11 20:49 firefox
[02:29] <charlie-tca> If you use the "-R" it fixes it all the way through the directories.
[02:30] <genii> Orbital85: If firefox still refuses to start after the permissions change, you can try starting it in safe mode from command line
[02:30] <Orbital85> i use ls -ahl
[02:30] <genii> Orbital85: This prevents the extensions from loading so that you can see if any of them are what is making the problem
[02:30] <Orbital85> ok i reboot
[02:31] <genii> Hm. Left before I could explain not the computer in safe mode but just firefox with:  firefox -safe-mode
[02:33] <charlie-tca> gotta be quick
[02:34] <charlie-tca> but did he do the chown or just an ls?
[02:42] <Orbital85> You think that the problem with firefox is that:
[02:42] <Orbital85> miguel@xubuntu-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox/vkuuxfit.default$ ls -l places.sqlite-journal prefs.js sessionstore.js
[02:42] <Orbital85> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 78488 2009-04-10 20:12 places.sqlite-journal
[02:42] <Orbital85> -rw------- 1 root root 14737 2009-04-10 19:41 prefs.js
[02:42] <Orbital85> -rw------- 1 root root  1652 2009-04-10 20:06 sessionstore.js
[02:43] <charlie-tca> yes, that is why you run the chown command. It fixes those permissions. Root should not own anything in .mozilla
[02:44] <Orbital85> ok only trhee files
[02:52] <Orbital85> firefox seems to work well
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Great!
[02:55] <Orbital85> but the bar google don't work fine
[02:56] <Orbital85> i reinstall
[02:56] <charlie-tca> That is an add-on.
[02:56] <charlie-tca> At least firefox works now
[02:57] <Orbital85> yes
[03:12] <Orbital85> ok ready, thanks
[03:12] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[03:13] <slimjimflim> hi my wifi-radar is broken in ibex
[03:13] <slimjimflim> can anybody help?
[03:13] <slimjimflim> i just upgraded
[03:27] <Orbital85> how to recover my panels?
[03:28] <charlie-tca> !panels
[03:29] <Orbital85> hooo, thanks
[03:29] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[04:27] <owen1> i had 'place' icon on the top panel and it's gone. how to bring it back. i can't find anything relevant on 'add new item' option.
[05:03] <owen1> i found the issue, i had to install the places plugin.
[05:37] <jyf1987> hello,everyone,i have an question,that i want to add a autostart cmd to my system,my os is ubuntu8.10,and i installed xfce4 by apt  ,but after i have write the cmd to /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc   ,i found the cmd do not autostart everytime
[05:38] <jyf1987> so how to solve it ?
[05:47] <genii> !autostart
[05:48] <jyf1987> !boot
[05:48] <genii> The down and dirty fast way is just make a file called .startx and put in it the name of the command and then a & after the name
[05:49] <genii> (or it may be xsession or so, forget atm)
[05:49] <jyf1987> genii: but i found startxfce4
[05:51] <genii> jyf1987: I'm primarily on KDE so gave the desktop-environment agnostic version
[05:53] <genii-around> Apologies, my Quassel core cut out
[05:54] <genii-around> If you did not get my last msg... Since i am primarily on KDE I gave the desktop-environment-agnostic version of how to automatically run apps
[05:56] <genii> OK, back
[05:57] <jyf1987> genii: thx and i will got a try
[06:01] <pjz_> I'm testing jaunty xubuntu and my media-control keys don't work... I can't find a bug for it in the db, but I find some simialr ones.. is this a known issue?
[06:03] <genii> pjz_: Maybe ask in #ubuntu+1
[07:26] <usermake_> how can i get the alternate cd installer (expert mode) to detect and reuse my lvm on encrypted partition?
[09:04] <Iskr> hello
[09:05] <cody-somerville> Hello
[09:05] <Iskr> my xubuntu (last release)
[09:05] <Iskr> refuses to suspend to ram correctly after last updates
[09:06] <Iskr> it goes to suspend but then doesn't come back to life correctly
[09:07] <Iskr> i can't explain very well how it is
[09:07] <cody-somerville> How so?
[09:07] <Iskr> it's as if the computer is on again
[09:07] <Iskr> (i can hear the fan)
[09:07] <Iskr> but the screen doesn't turn on
[09:18] <genii> Probably an ATI video. They forget what crt/lcd is attached when hibernated and so on, then never do a rescan
[09:18] <Iskr> i use an nvidia video card
[09:19] <Iskr> and yes the driver was just updated
[09:19] <Iskr> i can try with a downgrade
[09:19] <genii> If possible do ctrl-alt-F1 and see if you can get a console and login. If you can login, restart gdm
[09:19] <Iskr> nono i tried
[09:19] <Iskr> i also tried ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:19] <Iskr> i tried every possible combination of keys
[09:20] <genii> Hm. Are the 3 keyboard lights all blinking on and off together?
[09:20] <genii> (this means kernel panic)
[09:20] <Iskr> no
[09:20] <TheSheep> do they work when you press capslock or numlock?
[09:20] <Iskr> i forgot to try =P
[09:39] <Iskr> i try first of all to bring it back to the previous drivers
[09:39] <Iskr> and then if the problem persists i'll try to light the capslock
[09:39] <Iskr> and will come back
[09:40] <Iskr> thanks
[09:58] <slimjimflim> anybody got a bcm4318 running on intrepid?
[10:20] <lintel> hi, I installed Xubuntu 9.04 on an external USB-drive and though it runs fine I can not browse the internal drive of my laptop :( -- is Thunar that limited? Also Gigolo fails with the error "you are not supposed to show G_IO_ERROR_FAILED_HANDLED in the UI" -- any suggestions?
[11:24] <EdgEy> how can i edit the Applications menu in xubuntu ? i can't find a menu editor
[11:25] <charlie-tca> Is this in Jaunty?
[11:26] <SiDi> :p
[11:26] <EdgEy> i'm guessing this is popular then ;p yes
[11:26] <namefag>
[11:26] <namefag>
[11:26] <namefag>
[11:26] <namefag>
[11:26] <namefag>
[11:26] <namefag> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[11:26] <charlie-tca> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[11:26] <SiDi> EdgEy, if you want to edit, for instance, abiword, copy the /usr/share/applications/abiword.desktop to ~/.local/share/applications and modify it with a text editor
[11:27] <SiDi> EdgEy, you can also use alacarte but it wont work for setting wether the menu entry should be shown or not (yet it'll work for changing the name / icon / command of the app)
[11:30] <EdgEy> thanks :)
[11:33] <remink> yo!
[15:03] <archman> Hello
[15:03] <charlie-tca> !hi | archman
[15:04] <archman> On whom depends the release of a xfce 4.6 backport for intrepid after the Jaunty is out? Will we the ones who dont want to upgrade to Jaunty need to wait a month or so :D? :-/
[15:05] <charlie-tca> It depends heavily on the developers having time to backport it. There will be wait, but I don't know how long it will be.
[15:05] <archman> So devs of xfce or ubuntu packagers?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> devs of Xubuntu
[15:06] <archman> ok
[15:07] <archman> btw.: I've already tried installing 4.6 from ppa, but all I got when logging to it was a black screen. Maybe some clues?
[15:08] <charlie-tca> Follow the instructions to add it to your sources: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[15:09] <charlie-tca> If you just installed 4.6, it probably won't work. You actually do an upgrade to it.
[15:09] <charlie-tca> Install it in a tty using ctrl+alt+f2, log in, type "sudo apt-get update", hit enter. When that finishes, type "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", hit enter. Restart your computer, if it doesn't work, run the upgrade again.
[15:09] <charlie-tca> Sometimes it has to be done twice for some reason.
[15:15] <archman1> Sorry, my net crapped out
[15:16] <archman1> charlie-tca, you said something more?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Follow the instructions to add it to your sources: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[15:16] <archman1> Done that
[15:16] <archman1> ;)
[15:16] <archman1> but why dist-upgrade?
[15:17] <charlie-tca> So, it adds/changes the needed dependencies
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Sometimes when you do it, you have to go to Ctrl+Alt+F2 and run the upgrade again to make it work.
[15:17] <archman1> btw, I didn't install xfce-desktop, nor xubuntu by default...
[15:18] <archman1> just xfce4
[15:18] <archman1> package
[15:18] <archman1> with my default ubuntu
[15:18] <archman1> (gnome, sure)
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Then it may not work, either.
[15:18] <archman1> hmm...:(
[15:20] <archman1> Maybe it's best to wait for the backport then...hope it'll work, I see there are some major improvements
[15:20] <archman1> I hate one thing about 4.4.2
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Why not install xubuntu, completely?
[15:20] <charlie-tca> at least xubuntu-desktop
[15:21] <archman1> oh, hmm... i don't really know...
[15:21] <archman1> I should reinstall everything from scratch anyway
[15:21] <archman1> ...
[15:21] <archman1> I upgraded from Gutsy
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Even the backport of 4.6 may not work as a stand-alone
[15:21] <archman1> :(
[15:22] <archman1> I need you to tell me something if you know how to do it...I'll make a screenshot
[15:22] <archman1> can't explain
[15:22] <charlie-tca> You could install Jaunty next week, when it comes out. It includes 4.6
[15:23] <archman1> yes...
[15:24] <archman1> charlie-tca: http://i40.tinypic.com/24nfwch.png
[15:25] <archman1> How to resize the button, so it appears "normal-sized"
[15:25] <archman1> ?
[15:26] <charlie-tca> Don't know. It looks like you are using a single panel, with a non-default theme
[15:26] <archman1> yeah...
[15:26] <charlie-tca> Might depend on the theme itself.
[15:27] <archman1> Yours was normal when you used 4.4?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> yes, but I also used the default theme in it with Xubuntu 8.10
[15:28] <charlie-tca> When you only add xfce, I don't know what the results are.
[15:28] <archman1> ok, thanks for your help!! :)
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Also, the theme author can tell it how big/small to make that box
[15:29] <archman1> crap I don't even know how to change a theme here!, noob to xfce...
[15:30] <archman1> oh! user interface
[15:30] <archman1> in settings manager
[15:30] <archman1> yeah, the default theme is used...
[15:31] <archman1> nvm :)
[15:31] <archman1> thx
[15:35] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:01] <Ruadh> Hi
[16:01] <Slonkie> Hello Ruadh
[16:02] <Ruadh> How's things? Slonkie
[16:02] <Slonkie> fine, and u?
[16:02] <Ruadh> I'm goodtoo
[16:03] <Ruadh> When does RC for xubuntu come our?
[16:03] <Ruadh> our/out
[16:04] <charlie-tca> tomorrow
[16:04] <Ruadh> release candidate
[16:04] <charlie-tca> still tomorrow
[16:04] <Mood> if i have ibex, and jaunty becomes official, how do it upgrade everything? simply sudo apt-get upgrade/install?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> We are testing today
[16:05] <Mood> it/I?
[16:05] <Ruadh> Thanks, charlie-tca
[16:05] <Mood> !upgrade
[16:05] <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[16:06] <charlie-tca> yw, Ruadh
[16:15] <genady12lap> hey, how do I support samba shares in tunar?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> !samba
[16:16] <genady12lap> its not it
[16:16] <charlie-tca> !smb
[16:16] <charlie-tca> no again, huh?
[16:16] <genady12lap> fusesmb is not so good
[16:16] <Ruadh> bbl
[16:16] <genady12lap> but smbnetfs wont autostart
[16:16] <charlie-tca> What about pyneighborhood?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Jaunty will have gigolo, which is easier
[16:17] <genady12lap> I have the jaunty beta
[16:17] <genady12lap> oh I see
[16:17] <genady12lap> but its not interated
[16:18] <charlie-tca> under systems -> Remote Filesystems ?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Once it is connected, you should be able to see the shares in Thunar
[16:19] <genady12lap> when I start it manually its ok but from the startup its not working
[16:20] <genady12lap> maybe because there is no net, but I dont know
[16:20] <charlie-tca> What about just adding the windows directories to /etc/fstab so they will automount at boot
[16:21] <genady12lap> I don't want it that why, I don't know the shares
[16:22] <genady12lap> the problem it works but not with auto start
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Maybe someone else knows an answer, I don't use windows.
[16:43] <genii> I'm pretty sure Thunar doesn't normally do smb:// and so on
[16:48] <SiDi> it doesnt
[16:48] <SiDi> use gigolo in jaunty
[16:48] <SiDi> and for intrepid/hardy pyneighboorhood or nautilus
[16:48] <SiDi> or mount them manually :p
[17:34] <n2diy> how do you enable file/folder sharing in xubuntu?
[17:37] <cody-somerville> Applications > System > Shared Folders
[17:38] <n2diy> cody-somerville: thanks, any relationship with Somerville, NJ., USA?
[17:39] <cody-somerville> Not at all
[17:39] <n2diy> cody-somerville: ok, thanks.
[17:39] <cody-somerville> ;)
[18:03] <n2diy> cody-somerville: are you still hanging out here?
[18:03] <cody-somerville> yup
[18:05] <n2diy> cody-somerville: ok, I did the sys>admin>share, and told it to install the sharing software, and wound up in a loop. After the software installed, I was told it wasn't installed, so I re-installed, and the same thing happened. Do I need to log out and in again? Restart something?
[18:05] <cody-somerville> Restarting might do the trick
[18:06] <n2diy> cody-somerville: 10-4
[19:15] <charlie-tca> !daily
[19:16]  * charlie-tca kicks the robot
[20:14] <n2diy_> can you setup xubuntu as a file server?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:15] <n2diy_> charlie-tca: ok, any howto handy.
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I do it with NFS for three other systems
[20:15] <charlie-tca> !nfs
[20:16] <Slonkie> or you can use an FTP server
[20:16] <Slonkie> not sure about NFS, but with FTP you can access it from outside your lan (if you have the proper port open in your router)
[20:21] <charlie-tca> I don't think it is secure to open to the outside
[20:22] <knome> sftp is way better
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Seems like NFS has security issues
[20:43] <Sniper606> I am using the xubuntu 9.04 beta and for some reason my /etc/fstab is blank. Is there an easy way to fix this?
[20:44] <charlie-tca> You can put entries in if you need to.
[20:45] <charlie-tca> If you don't use a separate /home, I believe that is the new default. I could be wrong, though
[20:46] <Sniper606> so you are telling me a blank fstab is normal?
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Appears to be on Jaunty.
[20:46] <Sniper606> sudo touch forcefsck doesn't work and I assume its because my fstab is blank
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Would be my guess.
[20:47] <Sniper606> does anyone else here not have an fstab
[20:48] <Sniper606> or have a blank one anyways
[20:48] <Slonkie> Where is fstab stored? (forgot it :/)
[20:48] <Sniper606> cat /etc/fstab
[20:48] <Slonkie> Mine isen't blank
[20:49]  * charlie-tca raises hand for blank
[20:49] <Sniper606> hrm
[20:49] <charlie-tca> on fresh Jaunty default install
[20:49] <Slonkie> i updated from intreped -> jaunty
[20:49] <knome> not blank, but i don't have a fresh install
[20:49] <charlie-tca> But feel free to populate it
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I do, because I add drives and NFS directories
[20:50] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu-server populated it
[20:50] <Sniper606> I think when the official release comes out and I am gonna wipe this and reinstall with ext4 instead of ext3 anyways.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> That seems risky. ext4 still has issues with losing things
[20:52] <Sniper606> i heard it had been patched
[20:52] <charlie-tca> It has, but still is not as solid as ext3
[20:53] <Sniper606> Is the new beta not the best release of any distro ever tho
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Of course, it does need to be tested long term
[20:53] <Sniper606> they really outdid themselves this time i love it
[20:53] <charlie-tca> I think it is the best, but I am prejudiced
[20:53] <charlie-tca> I have done extensive testing of it
[20:54] <Sniper606> same here and you know what I havent had any serious problems
[20:54] <Slonkie> may i ask why it's better?
[20:54] <Sniper606> well its much faster
[20:54] <Sniper606> seems more stable
[20:54] <Slonkie> faster where? on boot or on write/read ? :S
[20:55] <Slonkie> where/how
[20:55] <Sniper606> both!
[20:55] <charlie-tca> It works, it is prettier, it does run on my old hardware, it doesn't eat up resources
[20:55] <Slonkie> Cool
[20:55] <Sniper606> yeah im using way less ram on 9.04 beta than on 8.10
[20:55] <Sniper606> i like the new login screen
[20:55] <Slonkie> me too
[20:55] <charlie-tca> yeah, I noticed that too
[20:55] <charlie-tca> new login screen and new background on the desktop!
[20:55] <Sniper606> you know what we need tho is a descent menu editor
[20:56] <knome> that new artwork sucks!
[20:56] <Sniper606> this release doesn't even have a menu editor or if it does i cant find it
[20:56] <charlie-tca> that won't happen until Xfce4.8
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Only sucks if that is a good thing!
[20:56] <knome> nah
[20:56] <knome> they are ugly
[20:56] <charlie-tca> No menu editor in Jaunty
[20:57] <Sniper606> i dunno how to edit my menus by hand
[20:57] <knome> Sniper606, edit the .desktop files :P
[20:57] <charlie-tca> let me give you a reference then
[20:57] <charlie-tca> [for 4.6] copy '/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to '~/.config/xdg/menus' and customize it.
[20:57] <charlie-tca> or [for 4.6] You can also create desktop entries in '~/.local/share/applications' to override the existing applications (change or hide) or add new ones.
[20:57] <charlie-tca> or http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[20:58] <charlie-tca> should be helpful
[20:58] <Sniper606> aight thx ill play with it and see if i can figure it out
[20:58] <charlie-tca> We won't need no stinking editor by the time we get it, huh
[20:58] <knome> Sniper606, feel free to ask if you have any problems
[20:59] <Sniper606> what happened the other day is an update put screensavers in my "other" category on my menu. i didnt know how to fix it.
[20:59] <Sniper606> but another update a day later fixed it
[21:00] <charlie-tca> yes, I got it reported and the devs got it fixed
[21:00] <Sniper606> so can anyone recommend a good wysiwyg html editor
[21:00] <Sniper606> i been using bluefish
[21:01] <Sniper606> but honestly im lazy and i need something that does most of the work for me haha
[21:07] <charlie-tca> that's my recommendation. I use bluefish and gedit
[21:07] <charlie-tca> nvu is pretty good, though
[21:09] <Sniper606> What are the advantages and disadvantages of having home on a seperate partition?
[21:10] <n2diy_> Sniper606: backing up and restoring is simpler, and so is upgrading.
[21:10] <charlie-tca> If it is a separate partition, it is easier to migrate when upgrading
[21:14] <Slonkie> every time i boot up xubuntu i get this error: ACPI: Invaled PBLK lenght [0] - Anyone know of an solution?
[21:16] <Sniper606> where do I go to file an xubuntu bug report, im gonna report the blank /etc/fstab
[21:16] <Sniper606> it might be a bug and it might not but either way I dont like it.
[21:16] <charlie-tca> !bugs
[21:17] <Sniper606> for some reason on my games menu theres always one game that doesnt have an icon too
[21:17] <Sniper606> if i install a new game it will sometimes bump it to another game
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Is that a game you install?
[21:18] <Sniper606> yah
[21:18] <charlie-tca> (with the missing icon)
[21:18] <Sniper606> right now supertux doesnt have an icon
[21:18] <charlie-tca> You should contact the game maintainer, because they did not include an icon with it.
[21:19] <Sniper606> yeah it had an icon
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Every application .desktop file has a place that they can state the icon to use, I think.
[21:19] <Sniper606> like say i install a new game right now
[21:20] <charlie-tca> It had one and it disappeared?
[21:20] <Sniper606> it might bump the blank icon to another game
[21:20] <charlie-tca> You should report the first game without the icon. If that gets fixed, it will not keep happening.
[21:31] <Sniper606> it might bump the blank icon to another game
[21:31] <Sniper606> oops
[21:32] <Sniper606> Well since I have no fstab and can't force a fsck with sudo touch /forcefsck, How else do I go about doing an fsck?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Sniper606: did you use the desktop cd or alternate cd to install?
[21:56] <Sniper606> live cd
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I will try to reproduce the missing fstab
[21:58] <Sniper606> i filed the bug report
[21:58] <charlie-tca> What is the number?
[21:59] <Sniper606> 361968
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[22:15] <kromar> hi
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Hello, kromar
[22:16] <kromar> if i set a programm to be the default for opening a file it always resets when i reboot. how can i fix that?
[22:20] <sunshine> I'm trying to get all users to use the same wine config. I linked to /home/public/.wine in every home directory and -R 777ed. but get "wine: /home/user23/.wine is not owned by you" (for all users)
[22:30] <SiDi> they need to OWN the files
[22:30] <SiDi> make a group called wine
[22:30] <SiDi> and chown your files with this group
[22:30] <SiDi> and add your users to wine group
[22:30] <SiDi> it should work
[22:36] <kromar> if i set a programm to be the default for opening a file it always resets when i reboot. how can i fix that?
[22:36] <SiDi> kromar, what version are you using ?
[22:38] <kromar> release 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-11
[22:38] <SiDi> And it happens for all files / apps ?
[22:38] <SiDi> The apps .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications, right ?
[22:39] <kromar> yes
[22:39] <SiDi> Ok then I don't know which configuration file manages this, but the most likely case is that you can't write on this file, though
[22:39] <sunshine> SiDi: did that, I still get the error
[22:40] <kromar> hmm
[22:40] <SiDi> sunshine, join #winehq and ask there, i know some people managed to do it. i'll be there anyways, i'll check this out with you in a min
[22:41] <SiDi> kromar, check that you own .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[22:42] <kromar> how do i check if i own it? o_O
[22:43] <sunshine> isn't there a way to set no owner or anybody owner?
[22:43] <SiDi> kromar, "ls -l .local/share/applications"
[22:43] <SiDi> tell me if its written kromar or root in its left
[22:43] <SiDi> sunshine, you can set a group to own the files :)
[22:44] <SiDi> sunshine, ls -l some of your files in the prefix, are you _sure_ its owning group is the "wine" group you created ?
[22:44] <kromar> SiDi: on the left is my user name
[22:44] <sunshine> oh, so how do I remove the owner owner and set only a group owner?
[22:47] <SiDi> sunshine, i suggest you ask in #winehq, there will be people there that should know better than me
[22:48] <SiDi> kromar, stay around please
[22:48] <kromar> SiDi: ok
[22:49] <sunshine> ok
[22:54] <SiDi> I can't find the file responsible for this, kromar
[22:54] <SiDi> you can try to chown your whole .config and .local folders to yourself, it might help, since it seems you cant write to the config file that hosts this
[22:54] <kromar> hm ok, could it be that i have to save the session manually before logging out?
[22:54] <SiDi> if it does nothing, please file a bug report
[22:54] <SiDi> normally its automatically saved
[22:55] <SiDi> unless your rights on the file are messed up (which normally happens only if you do stuff as root :p)
[22:55] <SiDi> (did you run sudo thunar, at least once ?)
[22:55] <kromar> i dont think i ever did that. what does it do?
[22:56] <SiDi> it'll run thunar as root, but with your own config files
[22:56] <SiDi> and it can mess your rights on those config files
[22:56] <SiDi> its the most likely case to cause your problem, actually
[22:56] <kromar> hm
[22:58] <SiDi> Please file a bug report in launchpad.net, if you can't find the solution
[22:58] <SiDi> either they'll tell you how to solve and turn it into a question, or if there's an actual bug they'll look at it later
[22:59] <kromar> well i dont really know how i could find the problem..
[22:59] <charlie-tca> You can ask in #ubuntu, also.
[22:59] <kromar> ok will try there
[23:00] <SiDi> charlie-tca, its a thunar problem
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Depends on what app, doesn't it? for example, jpg should open in viewer, etc
[23:00] <SiDi> charlie-tca, what i mean is, when he changes the file association, they're not saved
[23:01] <SiDi> on next reboot they're gone
[23:01] <charlie-tca> yeah, I tracked that down once. I can't remember the file it is in
[23:01] <SiDi> it really sounds like he cant write to the file in which customised file associations are written (or it doesnt exist and he cant write in the folder containing it)
[23:02] <kromar> i do a relog and see on what files this happens exactly
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Maybe ask in #xfce, then. JPohlmann2 around?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> JPohlmann2: knows all about xfce
[23:02] <SiDi> i'm in #xfce, asking
[23:02] <charlie-tca> and thunar
[23:03] <SiDi> JPohlmann2, you be our guru. we send you a cyber coffee if you help !
[23:03] <charlie-tca> only 10 installs to go
[23:03] <SiDi> its a pity i forgot my cd :(
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I took the 386 server, since I only had a few to do
[23:05] <charlie-tca> And I do all the 386 items on hardware
[23:05] <SiDi> kromar, the file is .local/share/applications/defaults.desktop
[23:05] <SiDi> please ls -l .local/share/applications and tell me if you own this file (and if it exists)
[23:08] <SiDi> btw, x86 server gonna be dropped for karmic, apparently
[23:09] <kromar> i only have a defaults.list
[23:09] <SiDi> and do you own it ?
[23:09] <SiDi> !paste
[23:10] <SiDi> put its content here please, and put there the result of "ls -l ~/.local/share" and "ls -l ~/.local/share/applications/"
[23:12] <Sniper606> Is it safe to install the 8.10 version of opera on the 9.04 beta?
[23:13] <iNNERDEATH> http://www.sexy-lena.com/?uid=451792
[23:13] <charlie-tca> Sniper606: why would you
[23:13] <Sniper606> because thats all thats available on the opera download site
[23:14] <charlie-tca> !opera
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Don't really know. You could try it and see if it works.
[23:16] <charlie-tca> If it is a .deb package, it should work. No guarantee, though
[23:18] <SiDi> kromar, is it working ?
[23:19] <kromar> seems to work
[23:19] <kromar> im gona reboot again, see if it really works^
[23:23] <kromar> SiDi: looks like it works:D thanks a lot
[23:23] <SiDi> kromar, you're welcome :)
[23:23] <SiDi> there probably was something messed in up defaults.list
[23:23] <SiDi> if it happens again, please post a bug report in launchpad.net
[23:23] <SiDi> and attach your file
[23:23] <kromar> an other question, is it possible that the file icon is changed to the icon of the default programm?
[23:24] <SiDi> kromar, for some files probably
[23:24] <SiDi> the mimetype icon files are in /usr/share/icons/<youricontheme>/scalable/mimetypes/
[23:25] <SiDi> and possibly also in 48x48/mimetypes/ 32x32/mimetypes/ etc
[23:25] <SiDi> you'ld need to remove the icons there and make links with the same name, that point to your app's icon
[23:25] <SiDi> that's a bit complicated and bothersome, but you *can* do it :P
[23:26] <kromar> so i have to change them manually?
[23:26] <SiDi> yeh...
[23:26] <SiDi> you can also make your own mimetype icons, package them into an icon theme, and make that icon theme depend on Human, for instance
[23:26] <SiDi> and it would use your icons for mimetypes, and Human for the rest
[23:27] <SiDi> thats painful too, though
[23:27] <SiDi> you could address a feature request to XFCE but i don't know if they'll do it
[23:29] <knome> SiDi, kromar: doesn't sound like something Xfce developers would be willing to implement.
[23:29] <SiDi> knome, i dont think either
[23:29] <SiDi> thats an heavy thing for what it is, and xfce doesnt like heaviness :P
[23:30] <knome> kromar, your best bet would be to write a script to replace all the mimetype icons
[23:30] <kromar> well as long as the file opens with the default programm there is no real need for it anyway^
[23:31] <kromar> i have an other problem with my audio, sounds like the processor or hd signal is mixed in:O
[23:31] <SiDi> !info dontzap jaunty
[23:32] <SiDi> what do you mean, kromar ?
[23:33] <kromar> not sure how to explain it, it sounds like some electrical signal is mixed into the sound... like a crackle or so
[23:34] <charlie-tca> You did not install pulse audio?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> That does do that
[23:35]  * charlie-tca going to eat again. back in a little bit
[23:35] <kromar> whats pulse radioi?
[23:36] <kromar> i only installed gmusicbrowser to play my files
[23:49] <SiDi> kromar, "ps aux | grep pulse"
[23:49] <SiDi> what's the output ?
[23:49] <SiDi> normally only one line, ending by "grep pulse"
[23:50] <SiDi> Do you also have Ubuntu(GNOME) installed ? if so then you might have pulseaudio installed
[23:50] <SiDi> Pulseaudio is a sound server, used under ubuntu but not under Xubuntu
[23:57] <Sniper606> something i dont get is why is ubuntu and xubuntu considered 2 different distros
[23:58] <Sniper606> its the same os with a different desktop environment
[23:58] <SiDi> no
[23:58] <SiDi> not exactly
[23:58] <Sniper606> explain
[23:58] <SiDi> we might want to ship different apps/packages, not only a different DE
[23:58] <Sniper606> i see
[23:59] <SiDi> having our own -desktop packages gives more possibility
[23:59] <SiDi> to ship what's most needed


[14:14] <Joeboy> on the offchance anybody's listening, when I try to update my karmic installation it want 539MB to upgrade grub. Surely something's up there?


[01:18] <flicea> Hello?
[01:26] <pleia2> hi flicea, next class is dev week coming up on monday :)
[05:19] <Dicker1> moing moin ^^
[05:52] <flicea> Hello?
[13:48] <parkie> Hey is the the place for the ubuntu developer week?
[13:48] <jawnsy> yup :-)
[13:49] <jawnsy> the schedule of stuff is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[13:49] <parkie> i have never helped out in something like this ( open source )
[13:50] <parkie> i know how to code in c++ java...  think i will be  a help
[13:51] <jawnsy> open source is always in need of help :-)
[13:51] <jawnsy> parkie: is there a particular session you're interested in attending? or just going to sit in on them?
[13:51] <parkie> well i think i might just sit in and then if i think i am up to it i could try help
[13:52] <parkie> i am 2nd year IT student
[13:52] <parkie> so i have done quite a bit of C++
[13:52] <parkie> but i would love to get into this, but at first i think i will just sit in a bit
[14:10] <parkie> jawnsy: what sessions would you say i should sit in on if i want to get started in the this?
[14:10] <jawnsy> parkie: I'd suggest just sitting in on as many as you have time for, and see what you might be interested in :-)
[14:11] <parkie> nice
[14:11] <parkie> will do
[14:32] <jimsn> hu
[15:00] <Traveler> hello
[15:00] <Guest71645> hello
[15:11] <somaunn> hello everyone
[15:13] <ikt> hello
[15:17] <somaunn> hello ikt
[17:09] <Rish> hi, can anyone help regarding ubuntu development week?
[17:10] <pleia2> Rish: sure, what do you need help with?
[17:10] <Rish> pleia2: what's the programme all about and how can I be a part of it
[17:10] <maco> there should be a schedule somewhere
[17:11] <pleia2> Rish: you can check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[17:11] <maco> a bunch of devs are giving classes on their area of focus, and you can attend in here and then use what you learn to help make ubuntu better
[17:11] <Rish> maco: did I missed any classes? where is the schedule?
[17:11] <Rish> pleia2: thankx, But i followed to the irc after that link.
[17:12] <pleia2> Rish: the schedule is on that page
[17:12] <pleia2> you haven't missed anything :) it starts tomorrow
[17:12] <Rish> plia2: gosh! i'm lucky. Just in time!! So, the week is all about learning ubuntu stuff eh?
[17:12] <pleia2> yep :)
[17:13] <pleia2> the sessions are held in this channel, and you can join #ubuntu-classroom-chat for discussing the sessions and submitting your questions
[17:13] <Rish> pleia2: so the expert will be delivering tomorrow for the first time
[17:14] <pleia2> some of them have done classes in the past
[17:15] <Rish> tomorrow 16:00 UTC.  which time zone is that? i'm from India
[17:15] <pleia2> UTC is the time zone
[17:15] <ulysses__> in terminal: date -u shows the UTC time
[17:16] <Rish> pleia2: thanks, I wish i could someday develop for ubuntu! I can give anything for that day :)
[17:17] <Rish> ulysses__:  thanx!
[17:24] <Rish> can anyone please help me convert 16:00 UTC to my time zone? or else i'll miss the class
[17:25] <pleia2> Rish: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=8&day=31&year=2009&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[17:26] <Rish> pleia2:  woo, thanks dear! In India, the class is at 9.30 pm. Perfect!
[17:26] <pleia2> welcome :)
[17:27] <Rish> pleia2: by the way, just asking, where r u from?
[22:02] <zubin71> hello
[22:02] <zubin71> i`d like to know, in how many hours does the first session start?
[22:03] <ulysses__> the lessons start at 16:00 UTC
[22:03] <pleia2> zubin71: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=8&day=31&year=2009&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[22:04] <zubin71> ulysses__ : Thank you
[22:04] <zubin71> pleia2 : Thank you
[22:22] <illovae> ^^'
[22:22] <illovae> bonsoir waloo :)
[22:22] <illovae> ioups sorry wrong canal
[23:05] <Rish> anyone from India here?


[05:19] <Mirv> morning
[05:58] <anpok_> hi
[05:58] <anpok_> we finished testing silo-004 yesterday ..
[05:59] <anpok_> ping trainguards: there is one thing remaining
[05:59] <anpok_> we started with dual landing and switched to wily only landing becaue we have additional source packages..
[05:59] <anpok_> but the landing ppa for silo 004 still has the vivid+overlay packages in it..
[06:00] <anpok_> I hope this does not cause troubles..
[06:00] <anpok_> .. oh and additionally it is still marked as requres QA signoff - not sure if that is needed for a wily landing..
[06:09] <Mirv> anpok_: no it doesn't cause trouble, we can remove the packages not supposed to be there anymore
[06:09] <Mirv> anpok_: and eh, yes, it does not need QA signoff :)
[06:13] <Mirv> anpok_: do you want to make a copy of the vivid packages already built there, or are you ok reuploading/rebuilding them?
[06:21] <anpok_> hm yes .. what do I need to download?
[06:27] <anpok_> Mirv: I started a new row for syncing to vivid+overlay .. can we copy the additional source packages over to that silo then..
[06:27] <anpok_> all but glmark2.. we decided to bump glmark2 in overla
[06:28] <anpok_> so we would use the wily version there..
[06:31] <Mirv> anpok_: ok, just a moment
[06:34] <Mirv> anpok_: ok, all vivid packages from 004 except glmark2 copied to https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-053/+packages - does that look correct?
[06:36] <Mirv> anpok_: I will now remove the vivid packages from 004 and prepare it for the wily publishing
[06:37] <Mirv> anpok_: so I'm running WATCH_ONLY build of 004, don't worry
[06:38] <anpok_> ok
[06:39] <Mirv> anpok_: should I copy the 004's glmark2 wily to 053 for vivid?
[06:42] <anpok_> Mirv: yes
[06:42] <anpok_> the wily one yes
[06:44] <Mirv> anpok_: ok, glmark2 2014.03+git20150611.fa71af2d-0ubuntu2 building for vivid now in 053
[06:45] <Mirv> anpok_: regarding 004, all MP:s would need approval: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-2-publish/67/console
[06:45] <Mirv> if you've the permissions to top-approve them, just go through them and do it, but I can't do it
[06:52] <anpok_> Mirv: oh! not all of them .. I will trigger the necessary people
[06:53] <Mirv> anpok_: thanks!
[07:29] <mardy> cihelp, does anyone understand why this build is failing? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-052-1-build/3/console
[07:29] <mardy> looks like it cannot create the source tarball
[07:49] <Mirv> mardy: ping trainguards, not cihelp, if thre's a CI Train problem
[07:52] <Mirv> mardy: my guess would be that you need to add .bzr-builddeb directory to your (first ever) landing (or push such a thing directly to the trunk first)
[07:52] <Mirv> mardy: and the .bzr-builddeb/ would have default.conf like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/.bzr-builddeb/default.conf
[07:52] <Mirv> mardy: then try the building again
[07:52] <mardy> Mirv: ah, I'll try that, thanks
[08:03] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2: do we know if there is anyone working on fixing the customization hooks?
[08:05] <jibel> ssweeny and cwayne were discussing a fix yesterday evening. I don't know what the conclusion has been
[08:05] <jibel> if an
[08:05] <jibel> y
[08:18] <sil2100> mzanetti: hey! Where is qml-module-qbluetooth built from?
[08:22] <davmor2> mzanetti: say outer space it will fry his head ;)
[08:23] <sil2100> ;)
[08:23] <sil2100> Today my head is frying anyway, I feel worse than yesterday
[08:25] <mzanetti> sil2100, you mean where to code for it is located?
[08:28] <sil2100> Yes, what source package it's coming from
[08:29] <mzanetti> outer space, yes
[08:29] <mzanetti> sil2100, http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtconnectivity.git/
[08:29] <mzanetti> qtconnectivity5
[08:31] <mzanetti> it also contains QtNfc
[08:32] <mzanetti> not sure how far we are with the kernel enablement there
[08:38] <mardy> trainguards, can you help me solve this build issue? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-052-1-build/lastBuild/console
[08:39] <sil2100> mardy: looks like a geniune failure, looking at the build logs
[08:39] <sil2100> But it seems it  failed building for all arches
[08:39] <sil2100> I see a cmake error there
[08:40] <sil2100> mardy: are you using google mock in your project? Since it seems if you do, you're missing a dependency to google-mock
[08:41] <sil2100> mardy: and cmake is failing to find one of its directories, as it doesn't seem to be installed
[08:43] <mardy> sil2100: I think you are right, but I cannot understand how you got to this conclusion; I don't see anything about google mock in the logs
[08:43] <sil2100> mardy: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/211794576/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.online-accounts-api_0.1%2B15.10.20150716-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz <- here for instance
[08:44] <sil2100> mardy: the train only gives you links to build logs of the packages that failed building, so I browsed it through for errors
[08:44] <mardy> sil2100: oh, indeed; I guess I didn't explore the jenkins' interface well enough :-)
[08:44] <sil2100> And saw this:
[08:44] <sil2100> CMake Error at cmake/FindGMock.cmake:6 (add_subdirectory):
[08:44] <sil2100>   add_subdirectory given source "/usr/src/gmock" which is not an existing
[08:44] <sil2100>   directory.
[08:45] <sil2100> :)
[08:45] <mardy> sil2100: thanks a lot, I'll get it fixed
[08:45] <sil2100> Excellent, you're welcome
[09:25] <mzanetti> sil2100, hey, I'm about to train dednick to be a lander, can you grant him permission please
[09:28] <sil2100> mzanetti: sure, on it
[09:29] <sil2100> mzanetti: done
[09:29] <mzanetti> thanks :)
[10:11] <sil2100> ogra_: hey! Can I bother you with https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily-qtbluetooth/+merge/264977 for a moment? Once this is approved I'll upload the vivid-packaged version to the overlay
[10:25] <alextu>  #launchpad
[10:57] <psivaa> Laney: I've commented on the wily lvm desktop bug, please take a look. I need to be afk for a bit now, and be happy to answer any questions whey i come back
[11:00] <Laney> psivaa-afk: I think it's likely to be cyphermox rather than me (trying hard not to own this bug), but can you point to where you can see the failure in the logs or give a link/instructions for how to run it outselves?
[11:00] <cyphermox> what's the bug no?
[11:01] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-test-cases/+bug/1474887
[11:02]  * Laney eyes cyphermox up suspiciously early
[11:02] <cyphermox> doubtful any preseed changes are going to fix a system that already boots
[11:03] <cyphermox> Laney: yeah, couldn't sleep any more... which is weird because I went to bed pretty late after a few hours ingressing
[11:07] <cyphermox> psivaa-afk: my guess is that the test itself is wrong for LVM. It looks for the very first line in the output of mount to start with /dev/mapper, which probably won't be the case
[11:07] <cyphermox> (because the first entry in mount is usually not the mountpoint for /)
[11:13]  * sil2100 off to lunch
[11:16] <cjwatson> FYI, all newly-created amd64/i386 LP builds will now be dispatched to scalingstack (lcy01-*/lgw01-*), even if they're in non-virtualised archives such as silos
[11:17] <cjwatson> Retries will still go to the bare-metal build farm for now, until we're confident enough in things to do the more invasive database surgery
[11:17] <cjwatson> (Retries of builds created prior to this change, that is)
[12:26] <Mirv> sil2100: hmm, I can't free a silo due to an error.. https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-035-3-merge-clean/6/console
[12:26] <Mirv> sil2100: actually, it apparently got far enough in https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-035-3-merge-clean/5/console already so that it disappeared now from dashboard, even though that too ended in an error
[12:26] <Mirv> weird
[12:27] <sil2100> Mirv: hm, this error usually means the silo was already freed
[12:27] <sil2100> Mirv: you sure it wasn't auto-merged or you didn't run the job twice?
[12:29] <Mirv> sil2100: no, as you can see there it removed packages first in that job nr 5
[12:30] <sil2100> Then maybe the silo was in overall in a busted state.
[12:32] <Mirv> sil2100: probably when the silo is never formally built (build job not run), that happens. I was only manually uploading packages for testing.
[12:34] <sil2100> Ah, no watch_only?
[12:35] <sil2100> ogra_, slangasek: could any of you review/approve this branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily-qtbluetooth/+merge/264977
[12:45] <Mirv> anpok_: just two empty commits non-approved anymore, I guess those don't need special permission to top-approve?
[12:46] <Mirv> trying.
[12:47] <Mirv> anpok_: now this is more problems for you though, there are new, non built commits in two of the branches so you need to investigate that: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-2-publish/68/console
[12:47] <kyrofa> trainguards: last I heard, I can't actually land anything in the archives via the spreadsheet replacement beta. Is that still the case?
[12:48] <sil2100> kyrofa: hey! Not sure if you can, I think it's still not possible currently, as I think those are using the staging PPAs
[12:48] <Mirv> anpok_: it seems those are only a changelog entry change and comment change by you, so you'll need to decide whether you want to rebuild the packages for those or not
[12:50] <kyrofa> sil2100, alright, thanks for the info! I wanted to make sure before I tried to get a new project silo'd
[12:53] <Mirv> sil2100: actually, I think we cannot even force publishing something if there's a branch that has a newer commit that what was built? ie rebuild needed always?
[12:54] <sil2100> Mirv: I think currently there's no way to force-publish it besides doing a copy-package
[12:54] <sil2100> You need to rebuild or revert the commits from the branch
[12:54] <sil2100> Revert and do a push --overwrite
[12:59] <kyrofa> trainguards: I'm preparing a new project to go through the CI train. Does the debian/changelog version need to be anything special for the train magic to happen?
[13:00] <sil2100> kyrofa: no, the train will try to be smart and change it to something following its format - be sure to just add a changelog entry that's UNRELEASED with the correct upstream version number
[13:00] <sil2100> So, for instance, something like 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 should just work
[13:01] <sil2100> The train should mangle it into something it understands during build
[13:04] <kyrofa> sil2100, alright, very good. Can you please point me to the spreadsheet?
[13:06] <sil2100> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain
[13:06] <sil2100> (it's a redirect)
[13:06] <kyrofa> sil2100, perfect!
[13:08] <jdstrand> john-mcaleely: hey, is bug #1360403 for OTA-5? I saw in bug #1439101 you mentioned OTA-5 will fix a lot of things, but 1360403 actually makes mms work flawlessly for me (t-mobile).
[13:09] <jdstrand> john-mcaleely: I imagine it would fix things for others as well (obviously you would want to talk to abeato-- I'm just mentioning this as a user)
[13:09] <jdstrand> john-mcaleely: (this is already in silo 2 btw)
[13:10] <jdstrand> john-mcaleely: I should be more clear-- rc-proposed (ie all of OTA-5) *plus* silo 2 makes mms work great for me
[13:10] <davmor2> jdstrand: no then ota5 is done, ota 6 will have the fix
[13:11] <jdstrand> that is what I figured. that's too bad (not for me, I will just install silo 2 and be done with it)
[13:12] <davmor2> jdstrand: There are a bunch of underlying fixes that abeato and awe did for ota5 that I think make silo 002 work, but fixed issues with mms for many others.  So I think there will be a few more improvements along the way.
[13:12] <kyrofa> cihelp: Can you verify that autolanding has been disabled for unity-scope-snappy?
[13:13] <jdstrand> sure, I understand that (I've been following this very closely). just saying, ota-5 plus silo 2 is the first time mms has ever worked for me
[13:13] <fginther> kyrofa, yes, it's disabled now
[13:13] <ogra_> pfft ... MMS ... send a postcard ... thats cheaper
[13:14] <jdstrand> and I thought it worth mentioning that it is as close as it is, especially since ota-5 is delayed. it isn't my call, just providing info
[13:14] <kyrofa> fginther, so if I approve MPs nothing will happen without the CI train, correct?
[13:14] <jdstrand> ogra_: heh
[13:14] <ogra_> sil2100, sorry, currently wrangling with a snappy prob ... i'll get to your MP later
[13:14] <abeato> jdstrand, which is your operator?
[13:14] <jdstrand> tmobile
[13:14] <fginther> kyrofa, yes, approved MPs will be ignored by the ci s-jenkins now
[13:15] <ogra_> jdstrand, no joking ... MMS in europe is like 1.20€
[13:15] <kyrofa> fginther, awesome, thank you!
[13:15] <abeato> jdstrand, ok t-mobile us wait for ota-6
[13:15] <fginther> kyrofa, you're welcome
[13:16] <john-mcaleely> jdstrand, sadly, I understand it missed the ota-5 cut
[13:16] <john-mcaleely> so will land in ota-6
[13:16] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah but after the greek affair that's what 3 cents ;)
[13:16] <seb128> ogra_, non-sense, in France most subscriptions include them for free
[13:16] <seb128> like for 5€/month you can get 2 hours call and unlimited sms/mms
[13:16] <jdstrand> hey, like I said. not my call-- I'm extremely pleased to install silo 2 on my device
[13:17] <jdstrand> just thought I'd pass along the info
[13:17] <davmor2> seb128: no pay as you go in the uk include them, I think they are in contract sims though
[13:17] <abeato> jdstrand, note however that many fixes for mms already landed, there was just a small thing needed for t-mobile us, but I think most of the other operators should work now
[13:17] <davmor2> seb128: roughly 60p in the uk up to £1
[13:17] <seb128> davmor2, yeah, most people in france has sim contracts, not pay as you go
[13:17] <seb128> have*
[13:18] <abeato> jdstrand, for instance Free in france
[13:18] <ogra_> seb128, pfft, france ... communists !
[13:18] <ogra_> :D
[13:18] <seb128> :-)
[13:18] <john-mcaleely> they're not in my UK contract
[13:18] <john-mcaleely> which makes testing tedious
[13:19] <ogra_> yeah, same here
[13:19] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: no expensive not tedious ;)
[13:19] <ogra_> i got free SMS
[13:19] <ogra_> but MMS cost a fortune
[13:19] <john-mcaleely> tedious to read the bill :-)
[13:19] <abeato> fortunately in my case the price dropped from 1 eur + VAT to 0.5 a couple of months ago
[13:19] <john-mcaleely> abeato, I guess you're a bulk user :-)
[13:20] <abeato> but anyway I had to spend like 30/40 eur in MMS last month, john-mcaleely knows that :D
[13:20] <john-mcaleely> indeed
[13:20] <abeato> john-mcaleely, probably the only MMS bulk user in Spain these days :)
[13:20] <john-mcaleely> ha
[13:23] <davmor2> abeato: Europe
[13:23] <abeato> davmor2, maybe EMEA ;)
[13:24] <davmor2> abeato: infact, the world bar the USA
[13:24] <abeato> lol
[13:59] <rvr> jdstrand: ping
[14:18] <jdstrand> rvr: hey
[14:18] <rvr> jdstrand: Hi, I'm testing silo 11 and I found some issues with apparmor
[14:18] <rvr> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11887897/
[14:19] <rvr> jdstrand: The popup is stuck loading the login page
[14:19] <rvr> jdstrand: During installation, I downgraded to apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu 1.3.12, the version in the silo PPA.
[14:20] <rvr> The one in the overlay PPA is 1.3.13
[14:21] <jdstrand> rvr: let me circle back to you. got pulled into a meeting right after I said 'hey'
[14:22] <tsdgeos> coolio
[14:22]  * tsdgeos tries
[14:30] <rvr> awe_: ping
[14:32] <awe_> rvr, pong
[14:32] <rvr> awe_: How to test silo 6?
[14:35] <awe_> rvr, I would run your standard network test cases;  if you want to test the specific changes for the APN editor, then you have a choice of either doing so manually using ofono scripts, or using the corresponding system-settings silo for the apn editor
[14:35] <awe_> but you'd need to check with jgdx as to it's current status
[14:36] <awe_> rvr, I think you testing should be primarily focused on ensuring there are no regression
[14:36] <awe_> s
[14:36] <rvr> awe_: Ok
[14:49] <kyrofa> fginther, while autolanding is disabled for unity-scope-snappy, is it still running tests etc. for MPs?
[15:07] <anpok_> Mirv: I rebuilt (004) .. I just realized that the vivid mir package in the former dual landing silo was outdated.. can you copy the wily ubuntu-system-compositor and mir package instead
[15:14] <kyrofa> cihelp: while autolanding is disabled for unity-scope-snappy, is it still running tests etc. for MPs?
[15:14] <josepht> kyrofa: yes, it should be.
[15:17] <kyrofa> josepht, hmm, alright, maybe I'm just being paranoid. It's been over an hour is all
[15:18] <josepht> kyrofa: I'll take a look in a few minutes. Do you have a link to the MP handy?
[15:18] <kyrofa> josepht: https://code.launchpad.net/~kyrofa/unity-scope-snappy/improve_debs/+merge/264640
[15:19] <kyrofa> josepht, I appreciate your eyes :)
[15:22] <jdstrand> rvr: ok, back
[15:22] <jdstrand> rvr: so, 1.3.12 and 1.3.13 are equivalent for what you are testing
[15:22] <rvr> jdstrand: Ok
[15:23] <rvr> jdstrand: So, do you think those denials are harmless?
[15:23] <jdstrand> I do, based on a conversation with mardy before
[15:23] <jdstrand> let me find the bug
[15:25] <jdstrand> rvr: this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1468792
[15:25] <jdstrand> let me check something
[15:26] <jdstrand> ah right
[15:26] <jdstrand> rvr: so, what is happening is that we allow this: owner @{HOME}/.cache/online-accounts-ui/id-*-@{APP_PKGNAME}_@{APP_APPNAME}/
[15:27] <jdstrand> rvr: but we intentionally don't allow this: @{HOME}/.cache/online-accounts-ui/
[15:27] <jdstrand> rvr: something needs to create @{HOME}/.cache/online-accounts-ui/ on the apps behalf.
[15:27] <jdstrand> rvr: it is believed that this is another bug:
[15:28] <jdstrand> actually, no
[15:28] <jdstrand> I thought it was related to another one, but I was wrong
[15:29] <jdstrand> rvr: last I heard, with apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu 1.3.12 and higher, all relevant denials are fix and that if there is a problem it is somewhere else
[15:29] <jdstrand> rvr: I'm going to comment in the bug regarding @{HOME}/.cache/online-accounts-ui/
[15:29] <rvr> jdstrand: It is point 1 of that bug
[15:30] <rvr> jdstrand: "1. There is a denial to create this directory if it does not exist already" /home/phablet/.cache/QML/Apps/online-accounts-ui
[15:30] <rvr> Hmm
[15:31] <rvr> name="/home/phablet/.cache/QML/Apps/online-accounts-ui/"
[15:31] <rvr> Yup
[15:32] <kyrofa> josepht, that MP ran! Did you poke it, or did it just take time?
[15:32] <josepht> kyrofa: I poked it
[15:32] <kyrofa> josepht, heh, thanks :)
[15:33] <slangasek> sil2100: qml-module-qtbluetooth, you've analyzed the impact on the size of the phone image and everyone's happy with the result?
[15:33] <josepht> kyrofa: np, it thought it had already looked at rev 32 so it didn't try to run again.
[15:34] <jdstrand> rvr: I'm quite confident the  /home/phablet/.local/share/applications/ is harmless. I'm less so about /home/phablet/.cache/QML/Apps/online-accounts-ui/
[15:35] <jdstrand> rvr: can you do: 'mkdir -p /home/phablet/.cache/QML/Apps/online-accounts-ui/' then ttry again?
[15:35] <rvr> jdstrand: Sure
[15:37] <sil2100> slangasek: I checked that and was fine, but I didn't consult with anyone ;)
[15:38] <rvr> jdstrand: Jul 16 15:37:30 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [   52.552819]type=1400 audit(1437061050.590:131): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="com.ubuntu.developer.rmescandon.asana_account-plugin_1.0.0" name="/home/phablet/.cache/QML/Apps/online-accounts-ui/ef91bab385a7f63fa8bbf22bbf9d1bdf" pid=3546 comm="QQmlThread" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[15:38] <sil2100> I think it was around ~260KB of additional space required
[15:38] <AlbertA> fginther: is it possible to enable listing the mir-clang-ts-wily-amd64-build jobs through a public URL (similar to:  https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-clang-wily-amd64-build/)?
[15:40] <jdstrand> rvr: ok-- that indicates two things-- one, the denial is not harmless and two, there is a bug in the silo because /home/phablet/.cache/QML/Apps/online-accounts-ui/ef91bab385a7f63fa8bbf22bbf9d1bdf is not app-specific, and it should be
[15:40] <rvr> jdstrand: Ack
[15:40] <rvr> mardy: ^
[15:42] <rvr> dbarth: ^
[15:42] <dbarth> reading
[15:44] <dbarth> ah, so not harmless after all :/
[15:44] <jdstrand> dbarth: you might see comments 12 and 13 from bug 1468792
[15:45] <slangasek> sil2100: ok.  I'm not sure what the policy should be on adding new interfaces to the phone, this seems like something that should be checked with product management or so?
[15:46] <dbarth> hmm, yet i was able to create the account, whereas rvr could not in his testing
[15:46] <dbarth> rvr: could you double check the package versions that effectively got installed on your test phone?
[15:47] <rvr> dbarth: Hmm
[15:49] <rvr> dbarth: Grrrr... citrain tool didn't install the packages
[15:49] <rvr> dbarth: Rechecking
[15:49] <sil2100> slangasek: I think this was a request from management as well as it's a feature request from higher-up, but I don't know, I'm managing seeds since recently
[15:49] <dbarth> rvr: ah!
[15:49] <rvr> because of the downgrade problem
[15:49] <sil2100> slangasek: I could check with pmcgowan now
[15:50] <sil2100> pmcgowan: hey! mzanetti requested adding qml-module-qtbluetooth to the seeds for bluetooth file transfer support
[15:50] <sil2100> pmcgowan: just want to confirm it's approved by product management
[15:51] <mzanetti> right. I didn't talk to anyone...
[15:51] <mzanetti> I just installed it to my phone, had a little play, it seemed working and so I thought I'd start the discussion
[15:51] <sil2100> Oh, so I misunderstood
[15:51] <mzanetti> but yeah... I still think we should have it
[15:52] <sil2100> Well, still new to this process, in the past I was only getting requests from management
[15:52] <sil2100> pmcgowan: you think this will be fine? It's an additional ~260KB of space (with new dependencies)
[15:52] <pmcgowan> sil2100, is that a standard Qt 5 module
[15:52] <pmcgowan> that seems fine
[15:52] <sil2100> pmcgowan: yes, it's from Qt5
[15:52] <mzanetti> it has been released upstream by now, yes
[15:53] <pmcgowan> ok
[15:53] <mzanetti> when we first put together the seed it was still marked "experimental"
[15:53] <sil2100> slangasek: ^ we have approval, sorry for that, will make sure to confirm every change with the PT
[15:54] <slangasek> sil2100: ok, merged
[15:54] <ogra_> was that the seed change ?
[15:54] <slangasek> sil2100: I guess this needs an ubuntu-touch-meta upload?
[15:54] <slangasek> ogra_: yes
[15:54] <ogra_> ah, thanks
[15:54] <sil2100> slangasek: I have the vivid-overlay version prepared
[15:54]  * ogra_ would have had time now :)
[15:55] <sil2100> slangasek: I can prepare a wily version too, but I never remember if I should prepare it by hand or is there some magic way to build it out of the branch
[15:55] <slangasek> sil2100: ah, this is being changed for vivid too? hmm I'm not sure how that will work
[15:55]  * sil2100 uploads the overlay version in teh meantime
[15:56] <sil2100> slangasek: we always prepare a separate version of the ubuntu-touch-meta and upload
[15:56] <ogra_> slangasek, sil2100, err, wait
[15:56] <slangasek> sil2100: er, you're talking about a vivid-overlay /package/, not a merge?
[15:56] <sil2100> slangasek: yes, package
[15:56] <ogra_> slangasek, sil2100, qml modules need to go into the sdk-libs
[15:56] <ogra_> (and slangasek is right, that would need a framework bump i guess)
[15:56] <slangasek> sil2100: the metapackages are supposed to be autogenerated from the seeds using the ./update command
[15:57] <sil2100> ogra_: oh?
[15:57] <ogra_> slangasek, not for releases releases :)
[15:57] <ogra_> slangasek, there we always need to hack the meta directly
[15:57] <ogra_> because the seeds get locked on release day
[15:57] <slangasek> hmm
[15:57] <ogra_> *released releases
[15:58] <sil2100> If the place for it is in sdk-libs then indeed it's not so easy
[15:58] <ogra_> well, all qml modules live there
[15:58] <rvr> dbarth: Doesn't load either
[15:59] <ogra_> and essentially make up our framework
[15:59] <ogra_> not sure what our policy for vivid is here
[15:59] <ogra_> as an architect :)
[15:59] <dbarth> rvr: ?!
[15:59] <dbarth> rvr: with the same error messages?
[16:00] <ogra_> but i imagine we cant just enhance the framework without any version bumps
[16:00] <sil2100> Ok then, let's hold off getting this change merged/approved
[16:00] <sil2100> It's not critical enough and we need to put a bit more thought into it
[16:00] <ogra_> sil2100, i guess you want tvoss inpout for that one first
[16:00] <ogra_> bumping in wily shouldnt be a prob though
[16:01] <sil2100> Right
[16:02] <davmor2> sil2100: meeting
[16:02] <slangasek> sil2100, ogra_: the merge was committed to the seed branch, but I'll hold off on uploading anything until we have a final decision
[16:03] <pmcgowan> sil2100, ogra_ is right, that becomes part of the sdk
[16:03] <rvr> dbarth: jdstrand: Jul 16 15:51:19 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [   74.711347]type=1400 audit(1437061879.696:123): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" profile="com.ubuntu.developer.rmescandon.asana_account-plugin_1.0.0" name="/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/oxide-qt/chrome-sandbox" pid=3750 comm="online-accounts" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=32011 ouid=0
[16:03] <rvr>
[16:04] <ogra_> slangasek, well, wily is -dev anyway, any chanes there should be ok ... this is just about vivid ... where seeds arent used anyway
[16:04] <pmcgowan> sil2100, ogra_ we did just add a 15.10-dev framework a bit belatedly
[16:04] <pmcgowan> the fw definition is a bit unwieldy
[16:06] <slangasek> ogra_: if it's supposed to go in sdk-libs, that affects the seed for wily also.
[16:06] <jdstrand> rvr: you need the webview policy group
[16:07] <ogra_> slangasek, yes, i'm only talking about wily :)
[16:07] <dbarth> rvr: oh, did you apply comment #3 from the bug report ? that's the key
[16:08] <ogra_> slangasek, vivid doesnt have seeds anymore
[16:08] <dbarth> ie, the package doesn't have the right policy embedded, and it needs an upgrade via:
[16:08] <ogra_> (not functional seeds at least)
[16:08] <dbarth>   cd /var/lib/apparmor/profiles
[16:08] <dbarth>     sudo apparmor_parser -r click_com.ubuntu.developer.rmescandon.asana_account-plugin_1.0.0
[16:09] <rvr> dbarth: Ah
[16:09] <dbarth> rvr: sorry, that was not totally obvious from the spreadsheet comment
[16:11] <jdstrand> dbarth, rvr: comment #3's point '1' is already resolved in apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu 1.3.12 and higher
[16:14] <rvr> dbarth: jdstrand: I executed that, and the popup is still stuck loading the login page
[16:14] <jdstrand> rvr: what dbarth said isn't quite enough
[16:15] <jdstrand> rvr: you need to look at /var/lib/apparmor/clicks/*asana*, then add 'networking' and 'webview' to the policy_groups
[16:15] <jdstrand> rvr: then you need to: sudo rm -f /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_*asana* ; sudo aa-clickhook
[16:15] <dbarth> rvr: well, that's the whole of comment #3, ie download the improved profile from mardy, which should go into the next version of the package
[16:16] <jdstrand> dbarth: no
[16:16] <jdstrand> dbarth: stable-phone-overlay has all the fixes that can be applied
[16:16] <jdstrand> dbarth: to apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu
[16:16] <rvr> jdstrand: dbarth: Is the click package wrong?
[16:17] <jdstrand> rvr: if it doesn't contain 'webview', then yes, it is wrong
[16:18] <jdstrand> dbarth: ie, I incorporated mardy's fixes
[16:19] <jdstrand> dbarth: but the silo is not operating correctly in the manner I described in comments #12 and #13
[16:24] <dbarth> jdstrand: which click package version should we use? i refer to the one received by email, not the store upload which is unaccessible for us
[16:25] <rvr> jdstrand: dbarth: Now it loads
[16:25] <dbarth> rvr: what changed?
[16:26] <rvr> dbarth: I added the profile changes that jdstrand described
[16:27] <jdstrand> well, hold on-- you had to do the mkdir still, right?
[16:27] <dbarth> ok
[16:28] <rvr> jdstrand: Yes, let me remove it
[16:30] <jdstrand> dbarth: the asane attached to my email with 'Subject: Re: account-plugins apparmor confinement' on 2015/06/26 has the corrected policy groups
[16:30] <jdstrand> asana*
[16:32] <rvr> jdstrand: It loads, even after removing the directory :-/
[16:33] <jdstrand> :\
[16:33] <jdstrand> rvr: sending you the updated click
[16:34] <rvr> jdstrand: Ack
[16:34] <jdstrand> rvr: I think the test environment is compromised. I advise restarting the tests with the click I provided
[16:34] <rvr> Reflashing
[16:35] <jdstrand> I don't really know what online accounts is doing behind the scenes
[16:35] <dbarth> yup, agreed
[16:35] <dbarth> i can do the same here
[16:35] <jdstrand> I suspect that parts of it completed despite the failure
[16:35] <dbarth> rvr: you on wily, right?
[16:35] <jdstrand> and therefire simply removing the dir didn't reset it
[16:36] <rvr> dbarth: Nope, overlay PPA
[16:36] <rvr> dbarth: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[16:36] <dbarth> ah ok, switching there then
[17:09] <rvr> jdstrand: dbarth: It loads
[17:09] <rvr> After reinstalling everything
[17:09] <rvr> And using jdstrand's click package
[17:19] <dbarth> rvr: right, i have the same here; worked like a charm (again ;) using my corporate google account to login even
[17:20] <dbarth> though i do get a few denials due to the webview wanting to go over the board, but that's cosmetic, and can be managed in a separate bug
[17:20] <rvr> dbarth: I can also create another account in Ubuntu
[17:20] <rvr> One
[17:27] <rvr> dbarth: jdstrand: Approving the silo
[17:29] <dbarth> rvr: thank you
[17:33] <cwayne> trainguards: hiya, can i get a silo for line 72? it's part of the dconf custom fix
[17:33] <cwayne> sil2100: ^
[17:33] <robru> cwayne: on it
[17:34] <cwayne> robru: <3
[17:34] <robru> cwayne: you didn't specify what series to release to
[17:35] <sil2100> o/
[17:35] <robru> sil2100: goodnight
[17:35] <sil2100> Not yet! Just waving hands to cwayne o/
[17:35] <robru> heh
[17:35] <sil2100> robru, cwayne: can that be dual landed?
[17:36] <cwayne> don't see any reason why not
[17:36] <sil2100> Ok, if that's an MR then it makes sense
[17:36] <cwayne> sil2100: so funny story, seems we had a fix for this in place over a year ago (we didn't realize there was a bug to fix, we were just going to move to a precompiled db)
[17:37] <robru> cwayne: ok silo 35
[17:37] <cwayne> this'll require some fixes to the custom build scripts as well, so we'd need to coordinate its landing sil2100
[17:37] <cwayne> robru: thanks
[17:37] <robru> cwayne: you're welcome
[17:38] <sil2100> cwayne: hm, is this well tested?
[17:38] <sil2100> cwayne: ok, so we'll need a coordinated custom release, right? For OTA-5 we'll only release this fix for arale
[17:38] <cwayne> sil2100: ssweeny just tested it, yeah
[17:39] <sil2100> For vegetahd and krillin we won't do an OTA-5 respin
[17:39] <cwayne> sil2100: ack, ill work on getting a custom tar ready so we can test both together
[17:39] <sil2100> cwayne: excellent, thanks :)
[17:39] <sil2100> davmor2, jibel: ^
[17:39] <robru> kgunn: nah you gotta wait until u-s-s-o-a finishes migrating before rebuilding
[17:40] <kgunn> robru: ah...was just reacting to dashboard
[17:40] <robru> kgunn: yeah it's kind of a race condition, dashboard is set as dirty when the other silo publishes, but rebuilding doesn't work until the other silo merges
[17:41] <robru> kgunn: no, it's exactly a race condition, no kind of about it ;-)
[17:41] <robru> kgunn: fortunately it'll get marked dirty again when the merge happens
[17:41] <kgunn> sure
[17:41] <kgunn> np
[17:46] <psivaa> cyphermox: i've commented on your MP for lvm test fix
[17:46] <cyphermox> ok
[18:16] <jordan> trainguards, line 73 is ready for a silo
[18:16] <dobey> trainguards: if a landing is for vivid without the overlay ppa specified, it will get pushed out to vivid-updates as an SRU, right?
[18:18] <fginther> renatu, The buteo jobs have been running for about a day now, can you confirm they are setup correctly? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/buteo-syncfw-qml-ci/ and https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/buteo-sync-plugins-contacts-ci/
[18:21] <renatu> fginther, thanks. Everything looks ok. The "/buteo-sync-plugins-contacts-ci" will fail because some missing deps.
[18:25] <robru> dobey: yep, but it's up to you to make sure you get all the SRU paperwork filed and ping sru people to prod it along, otherwise it just sits in UNAPPROVED for *literally months*
[18:25] <robru> dobey: average lead time on a train SRU is typically 2 months
[18:26] <dobey> robru: ok. i was just making sure that the train handled that sort of thing already. not that i need to do it right now :)
[18:26] <robru> dobey: yep that's been supported since the beginning.
[18:27] <dobey> ok. i'm going to move a couple more projects over to CI train, so just clarifying before i do all the work ;)
[18:28] <robru> jordan: silo 55, note conflicts in silos 3, 4, and 46
[18:29] <kyrofa> trainguards: I don't seem to have permission to modify the CI train spreadsheet. How do I get that?
[18:29] <robru> kyrofa: one sec
[18:30]  * alecu vouches for kyrofa
[18:30] <kyrofa> Got it robru, thank you!
[18:30] <robru> kyrofa: you're welcome
[18:31] <robru> kyrofa: let me know if you have any questions about the spreadsheet. also, don't spend too much time learning about it because it's all changing next week
[18:31] <jordan> robru, ack. These are little four-liner patches in each repo, but I'll confirm that there's not overlap with 3, 4, and 46
[18:31] <robru> jordan: it's more like, after you release this silo, make sure the owners of 3, 4, and 46 know they need to rebuild ;-)
[18:32] <jordan> robru, ack
[18:32] <robru> jordan: or the other way around depending on who publishes first. communication is key
[18:32] <robru> kgunn: safe to rebuild now ^
[18:33] <kgunn> thanks!
[19:39] <robru> kyrofa: ok, silo 11
[19:40] <kyrofa> Thanks robru!
[19:40] <robru> kyrofa: you're welcome
[19:40] <robru> kgunn: do you have a core dev lined up for silo 4? I see Laney is responsible for gtk there but not sure about the rest
[19:41] <kgunn> robru: uh.... :P
[19:41] <kgunn> robru: we have RAOF on our team who is one
[19:41] <robru> kgunn: lots of packaging changes! can you get him to review? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-2-publish/69/artifact/
[19:41] <kgunn> he'll be on in about an hour or so
[19:42] <kgunn> robru: ok, after that, is he good to own all the action...or does he need to ping back here ?
[19:42] <robru> kgunn: he can ping me and I can publish the silo.
[19:42] <kgunn> ok..
[19:42] <kgunn> ah crap.... i think he might still be on vacation
[19:50] <kgunn> mterry much thanks!
[19:51] <kgunn> robru: mterry taking a look...
[19:51] <robru> kgunn: mterry great
[19:51]  * mterry waves at robru
[19:51] <robru> mterry: hey buddy, long time
[19:51] <mterry> :)
[19:56] <mterry> Laney, I'm looking at https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-2-publish/69/artifact/gtk+3.0_packaging_changes.diff and I see that gtk+3.0's debian/control.in didn't get entirely updated -- looks like it got updated in one place, but debian/control got updated in two places.  Right?
[19:57] <mterry> I don't think it's a critical omission
[19:57] <mterry> Laney, but maybe fix it in bzr
[20:01] <mterry> robru, an empty changelog is no good right?  https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-2-publish/69/artifact/unity-system-compositor_packaging_changes.diff
[20:01] <cyphermox> psivaa: so, should I file a new merge against the other branch or are you including the changes in your branch?
[20:02] <robru> mterry: bah
[20:02] <psivaa> cyphermox: i'd ask you to do an MP against the other branch please
[20:03] <psivaa> cyphermox: that MP has to be approved and merged by ubuntu-server-developers anyway
[20:04] <robru> kgunn: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-2-publish/69/artifact/unity-system-compositor_packaging_changes.diff do you have any idea what's going on here? aside from the empty bullet point there's a giant chunk of seemingly duplicated changelog, I have no idea why.
[20:04] <cyphermox> psivaa: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_lvm/+merge/265039
[20:04] <cyphermox> I can do the merge myself..
[20:05] <kgunn> robru: no idea
[20:05]  * kgunn looks at mps
[20:05] <robru> kgunn: yeah I guess the MP is busted.
[20:06] <robru> kgunn: I don't know who's idea it was to copy & paste 0.0.5+15.10.20150506.1-0ubuntu1 into a new entry for wily, don't do that
[20:06] <kgunn> robru: i know who the culprits most likely are....will relay the message
[20:06] <psivaa> cyphermox: I have approved it
[20:07] <robru> kgunn: please make the changelog entry like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11889568/ then rebuild
[20:08] <kgunn> ack
[20:08] <robru> kgunn: thanks
[20:09] <robru> kgunn: oh and just rebuild that one, not the whole silo ;-)
[20:09] <kgunn> robru: yes of course
[20:09] <robru> great
[20:09] <kgunn> robru: am i that dumb of a manager ? :-P
[20:09] <kgunn> don't answer that
[20:10] <robru> kgunn: I can't remember who but I've seen it happen, just making sure ;-)
[20:10] <kgunn> robru: totally possible with me...thanks for the reminder :)
[20:10] <robru> kgunn: you're welcome!
[20:11] <robru> kyrofa: please have a skim over our packaging guidelines for the train, it may help resolve the build failure you're seeing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/InlinePackaging
[20:13] <cwayne> fginther: hi, I can apt-get install stuff in my jenkins job if i need it right?
[20:14] <cwayne> like it's all run in a chroot or something so i wouldn't be polluting anything i mean
[20:14] <robru> kyrofa: particularly the part about split building
[20:15] <kyrofa> robru, oh, is that what it's whining about?
[20:15] <kyrofa> robru, what about the package version?
[20:16] <robru> kyrofa: yeah there's a few packaging niggles I noticed in your branch. split building is a big one, also add '-0ubuntu1' to your changelog version and it should be able to figure the rest out from there.
[20:16] <kyrofa> That's what I had initially and it gave me the native/non-native complaint, so I removed the "-0ubuntu1" to see if that fixed things. It didn't :P
[20:16] <kyrofa> robru, ^^
[20:17] <robru> kyrofa: you should definitely be using -0ubuntu1 in the train.
[20:17] <kyrofa> robru, okay, will do. And a native format?
[20:17] <robru> kyrofa: if you mean dropping quilt, yes.
[20:18] <kyrofa> robru, yeah, 3.0 (native)
[20:19] <robru> kyrofa: yeah read the page, you should drop debian/source entirely
[20:19] <kyrofa> robru, ah yes, right at the top :)
[20:28] <kgunn> robru: just makin' sure i got this right...i added the unrelease entry
[20:28] <kgunn> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-system-compositor-team/unity-system-compositor/trunk/revision/227
[20:28] <kgunn> but i did not delete
[20:28] <kgunn> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-system-compositor-team/unity-system-compositor/trunk/revision/222
[20:28] <kgunn> correct ?
[20:28] <kgunn> or should i have deleted that one
[20:28] <robru> kgunn: nope, need you to delete what was added in 222, it's totally redundant and wrong
[20:29] <kgunn> right
[20:29] <kgunn> i get it now
[20:29] <robru> kgunn: if you look a bit further down there's an identical stanza with identical version number.
[20:29] <kgunn> right
[20:29] <kgunn> redundant i see
[20:29] <robru> kgunn: thanks for taking care of that ;-)
[20:30] <kgunn> robru: oh...meant to say, i didn't delete, cause it said entry was from ci train  bot
[20:30] <kgunn> robru: oh...i see what happened
[20:30] <kgunn> anpok did that...but just cnp'd it
[20:30] <robru> kgunn: the original one was from the train bot, but somebody got copy&paste happy there ;-)
[20:30] <kgunn> ah ha
[20:30] <kgunn> yeah
[20:30] <kyrofa> robru, seems to be working now, thank you for the link :)
[20:30] <kgunn> threw me for a minute...but i see the commit on lp
[20:31] <robru> kyrofa: you're welcome!
[20:32] <anpok_> hm?
[20:33] <anpok_> I had issues with building u-s-c jenkinks complained about missing change log entries..
[20:33] <anpok_> and I remeber merging stuff
[20:33] <robru> anpok_: yeah you did it wrong :-P
[20:35] <robru> kgunn: ok that's weird. try making the most recent entry 0.0.5+15.10.20150506.2-0ubuntu1 or something higher. it doesn't scan the full changelog it just does a lexical comparison of the most recent changelog entry with the most recent distro version when it complains there
[21:32] <fginther> cwayne, it depends on exactly how the job is setup. Most use chroots, but there may be a couple that operate outside of that environment. Can you PM me the job(s) in question?
[21:36] <kgunn> robru: ok, tried a couple of times...it's still upset at the changelog...not really sure what's happening here
[21:37] <kgunn> wondering if this is why anpok copied it that wily release in there?
[21:38] <robru> kgunn: I guess so.
[21:39] <robru> kgunn: did you try my suggestion?
[21:39] <robru>  <robru> kgunn: ok that's weird. try making the most recent entry 0.0.5+15.10.20150506.2-0ubuntu1 or something higher. it doesn't scan the full changelog it just does a lexical comparison of the most recent changelog entry with the most recent distro version when it complains there
[21:39] <kgunn> robru: yes
[21:40] <robru> kgunn: then why does the changelog still say '0.0.5-0ubuntu1' when I look at the merge? :-P
[21:40] <kgunn> robru: ohhhh, i thot you meant the one under the unreleased...my bad
[21:40]  * kgunn goes to clean mess
[21:42] <robru> kgunn: yeah, no, when the train says "is missing from the changelog, which has up to" that means that it's compared the most recent changelog entry against the most recent distro version and doesn't like what it saw. changing anything other than the most recent version number in the changelog won't make a difference.
[21:42] <robru> kgunn: sorry that wasn't clear
[21:50] <robru> boiko:  https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-008-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/telepathy-qt5_packaging_changes.diff/*view*/ is this for real? that's a lot of patches you're dropping.
[21:51] <boiko> robru: yep, we upstreamed almost everything
[21:51] <robru> boiko: wow congrats
[21:51] <boiko> :D
[21:51] <boiko> robru: thanks, we actually upstreamed them awhile ago, but we were waiting for an upstream release for quite some time
[21:51] <robru> boiko: ah ok
[21:52] <boiko> robru: in the end both me and salem_ got write access to telepathy-qt and in theory we can do releases now too
[21:52] <robru> boiko: nice!
[22:10] <robru> kgunn: great looks good
[22:11] <kgunn> robru: yep, altho mterry gone for day i think
[22:11] <robru> kgunn: fine by me, we fixed the issue he raised ;-)
[22:12] <kgunn> robru: alright! sounds good...people starting to nag :)
[22:12] <kgunn> heading to the house....bbiab


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[10:00] <doko> ricotz: fyi, libreoffice ftbfs with new ICU
[11:06] <ricotz> doko, noted, I hope this is not urgent, since noble will get libreoffice 24.2 anyway and its first RC is coming soon
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[12:12] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, hello, openvswitch is 64bit only now, removed armhf in Debian already
[12:13] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1056964
[12:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1056964 in ftp.debian.org "RM: openvswitch [armel armhf i386] -- ROM; not really useful on 32 bits" [Normal, Open]
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[14:28] <doko> icu already migrated? that's unexpected, I didn't even upload the no-change uploads for the last two dependency levels ...
[14:35] <seb128> doko, did you miss the change described on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041721.html ?
[16:20] <vorlon> doko, seb128: so things have migrated, but a bunch of applications are mis-linked and will segfault? ;)
[16:28] <LocutusOfBorg> shouldn't then new icu conflict old one?
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> if things are not mixable...
[16:30] <vorlon> that's not really common practice
[16:30] <vorlon> better to add symbol versioning
[16:51] <LocutusOfBorg> yeah at the end you have conflict for a gazillion of old versions
[16:52] <LocutusOfBorg> probably gnuradio does this? don't remember
[17:40] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu is now EOY until January 2nd. Any emergency items should go to me and teward directly.
[18:00] <ricotz> hello ubuntu-backports, please accept https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/libreoffice/+bug/2046150
[18:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2046150 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Jammy) "[BPO] libreoffice 7.5.9 for jammy" [Critical, In Progress]
[21:12] <vorlon> mwhudson: so ./live-build/ubuntu-server/hooks/03-kernel-metapkg.chroot_early and ./live-build/ubuntu/hooks/020-ubuntu-live.chroot_early both set LAYERFS_PATH in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/default-layer.conf and then we override this on the commandline in debian-cd.  Can we drop the debian-cd bits?
[21:26] <teward> ricotz: gonna need you to explain "critical" priority here.  backport requests are all Wishlist
[21:26] <teward> and i dont see anything in that backport that requires "address this now" priority
[21:26] <ricotz> teward, see the CVEs
[22:09] <ricotz> teward, I am hoping security issues are reason enough?


[08:12] <nlsthzn> o/
[09:25] <magespawn> good day
[10:14] <gremble> Good morning
[10:21] <magespawn> hi gremble
[10:21] <gremble> How are you magespawn?
[10:25] <magespawn> good and you?
[10:25] <gremble> I am well thank you
[10:26] <gremble> Trying to decide on an editor to use. I have to re-setup both my emacs and vim if I want to use them, and not very keen at the moment
[10:27] <magespawn> i use the stock vim, no custom settings
[10:27] <magespawn> or what ever is on the system i am using at the moment
[10:28] <gremble> Yes, you're right. I should probably just use it. haha.
[10:30] <magespawn> i am trying to set up a cisco 837 router
[10:30] <gremble> And? Successful?
[10:32] <magespawn> well i have managed to connect to it through a console cable and minicom, but that is all so far
[10:32] <magespawn> i have to learn the cisco commands
[10:34] <gremble> Ah alright
[10:35] <gremble> Not a lot of fun to have to work on a public holiday though :<
[10:36] <magespawn> no this is not work, but education
[10:36] <gremble> Oh alright
[10:36] <gremble> That is not as bad
[10:37] <magespawn> yup cisco manuals are rather large
[10:37] <magespawn> looks like the preferred way is through the console
[10:38] <gremble> This book is quite hostile to python 3 -_-
[10:38] <kulelu88> python3, the mistake
[10:39] <magespawn> kulelu88: why is that/
[10:39] <magespawn> ?
[10:39] <gremble> Might be the mistake, but that is what you will be using
[10:41] <kulelu88> don't mind me, I'm just fuelling flames. py3 is like systemd
[10:42] <gremble> Everyone hates it for no apparent reason?
[10:43] <kulelu88> the problem with py3 is that it doesn't bring major benefits while so many libs are still py2
[10:43] <gremble> A lot of them have been ported. Most of those that haven't are orphaned anyway
[10:44] <gremble> The syntax for python3 is so far much nicer for me than python2. So I don't complain too much
[10:47] <kulelu88> i still use py2
[10:47] <gremble> and I 3
[10:47] <gremble> :P
[10:47] <kulelu88> I like stability
[10:47] <gremble> But I don't use python a lot
[10:47] <gremble> so it doesn't phase me
[10:48] <gremble> My friend wants me to build a quick statistical model, so I am playing around
[10:48] <kulelu88> what kind of model?
[10:49] <gremble> Card draw model. So I'll probably do hypergeometric or derive a similar model based on his theoretical parameters
[10:49] <magespawn> brb
[10:50] <gremble> He is really into Magic the Gathering, so he wants me to help him theory craft a deck
[11:01] <magespawn> back
[11:06] <gremble> Welcome back
[11:08] <magespawn> looks like there is a web interface for the 837, but it has to be enabled first
[11:33] <magespawn> okay got the web interface up and running
[11:34] <gremble> web interfaces on routers always make me worry that they are easily configurable from the outside.
[11:35] <magespawn> you can set so much on this one, the security seems quite high
[11:35] <gremble> Ah alright
[14:29] <magespawn> update: the webpage is refusing to load
[14:30] <gremble> Have you been waiting for it to load for the last 3 hours?
[14:30] <gremble> O.o
[14:33] <magespawn> yes, but in my defense i did also going shopping and take a nap
[14:35] <gremble> Haha
[14:35] <gremble> I should take a nap
[14:38] <magespawn> it does wonders for my outlook
[14:41] <gremble> It is true. If only it wasn't as hot
[14:43] <gremble> evil in emacs is amazing. I am not even going to lie
[14:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn inetpro thatgraemeguy gremble and others as well
[15:03] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[15:03] <gremble> how are you doing
[15:04] <Kilos> good ty and you
[15:04] <gremble> I'm well thank you
[15:53] <magespawn>  hi Kilos
[16:16] <inetpro> good mornings
[16:18] <inetpro> magespawn: don't do the web thingy, learn to do it the right way on the cli
[16:44] <inetpro> ai!
[16:54] <magespawn> inetpro: looks like at least in this case there is no option
[16:56] <magespawn> it does take longer usually but does provide flexibility
[17:27] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[17:40] <magespawn> back like boomarang
[17:51] <Kilos> haha
[17:52] <Kilos> so where the clever telegram peeps
[17:52] <magespawn> superfly?
[17:54] <Kilos> i have an app called org.callgram.messenger.apk but dont know how to install it in telegram or run it
[17:54] <Kilos> http://apkforubuntu.xyz/download/communication/org.callgram.messenger.html
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: really!>
[18:03] <inetpro> ?
[18:03] <Kilos> really? inetpro
[18:03] <Kilos> what you mean?
[18:04] <inetpro> why try funny things like that?
[18:04] <Kilos> well i dont want to use skype
[18:04] <inetpro> have you tried https://desktop.telegram.org/ ?
[18:04] <magespawn> that does not seem to be from the makers of telegram though
[18:04] <Kilos> what other voip thing works on ubuntu and android
[18:05] <magespawn> and there is an automatic download on that page
[18:05] <magespawn> that looks highly suspicious
[18:05] <Kilos> ai!
[18:05]  * inetpro agrees with magespawn
[18:06] <Kilos> inetpro i have telegram
[18:06] <inetpro> what the problem is?
[18:06] <Kilos> but typing when you on your back is hard on the neck
[18:06] <Kilos> hehe
[18:06] <Kilos> easy to talk to debs than type to her
[18:07] <inetpro> another very easy option is google hangouts
[18:07] <Kilos> im trying to get away from all google stuffs
[18:09] <inetpro> audio and video takes bandwidth anyway
[18:09] <inetpro> audio less so but still more than text
[18:10] <inetpro> and Telegram does not yet support the calling feature as others do
[18:10] <Kilos> yes but i am prepared to use some to be able to voip
[18:10] <inetpro> at least not that I'm aware of
[18:10] <Kilos> oh i thought callgram was part of telegram peeps
[18:11] <inetpro> if you want telegram stuff then you go to https://telegram.org/
[18:12] <Kilos> ive read that and many other pages over and over
[18:12] <Kilos> een looked for them on irc
[18:12] <Kilos> even
[18:13] <inetpro> one day when we all grow up we will have a seemless cross-platform calling feature no matter what you use
[18:13] <inetpro> in fact we already have it
[18:13] <inetpro> it's called firefox hello
[18:16] <inetpro> see https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/hello/
[18:20] <inetpro> wb octoquad
[18:20] <octoquad> hi inetpro
[18:24] <inetpro> Kilos: you gave up now already?
[18:25] <Kilos> nope man was reading everywhere
[18:27] <Kilos> haha and you know i really love firefox
[18:28] <Kilos> oh i saw some sip thing
[18:28] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:29] <Kilos> sipwitch
[18:29] <Kilos> in the repos
[18:29] <inetpro> ai!
[18:29] <Kilos> what ai!
[18:30] <Kilos> secure peer-to-peer VoIP server for the SIP protocol
[18:30] <Kilos> what does that mean
[18:30] <inetpro> use the easy stuff that just works
[18:30] <Kilos> hahaha jy word oud
[18:31] <Kilos> nono anything involve with google is not for me
[18:31] <inetpro> firefox works
[18:32] <inetpro> and is fully open source
[18:32] <Kilos> iya but through a browser first
[18:32] <inetpro> what is wrong with the browser?
[18:33] <Kilos> well
[18:33] <Kilos> one can irs from a browser but we use ifrc clients rather, why is that
[18:33] <Kilos> irc
[18:34] <Kilos> whew hrad to type like this
[18:34] <Kilos> hard
[18:35] <inetpro> you wanted an easy way to talk, that doesn't involve google or skype
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> ai!
[18:36] <Kilos> so now you want me to install firefox aain
[18:36] <Kilos> sigh
[18:36] <Kilos> ai ai ai ai ai
[18:36] <inetpro> no, go ahead, build your own thingymajig
[18:36] <Kilos> ne man
[18:36] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel
[18:46] <inetpro> uh oh!
[18:47] <inetpro> who stole my cheese?
[18:48] <superfly> That's what you get for messing with oom Kilos
[18:49] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:49] <Kilos> superfly ++
[18:49] <inetpro> ai!
[18:50] <Kilos> rofl
[18:50] <Kilos> ty i needed that
[18:50] <inetpro> superfly: you have another solution for audio calls for him?
[18:51] <inetpro> sorry oom Kilos
[18:51] <Kilos> np man
[18:51] <Kilos> haha
[18:52]  * inetpro still trying to recover from a migraine
[18:52] <Kilos> you have earned the right to mess with me
[18:52] <Kilos> ai! sorry man
[18:52] <superfly> inetpro: when we call MrsFly's family we use Skype
[18:52] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:52] <superfly> Apparently Viber is also good
[18:54] <Kilos> its not serios ty guys  i have skype
[18:54] <Kilos> was just trying to keep you guys thinking maybe
[18:55] <Kilos> seius
[18:55] <Kilos> oh my
[18:55] <Kilos> serious
[18:56] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[18:56] <Cryterion> Hi Kilos
[18:57] <Cryterion> and everyone else
[18:57] <Kilos> inetpro 31 dec is 30 years, gotta end it now
[18:57] <Cryterion> huh?
[18:58] <Kilos> haha he knows
[18:58] <Kilos> you can get an inkling from
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz kilos.site
[18:58] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.site is http://mileys-site.yolasite.com and https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite
[18:59] <Kilos> top one
[18:59] <Kilos> cant remember what the second one was for
[19:00] <Cryterion> This website is not available. in 6 languages
[19:00] <Kilos> oh my
[19:00] <Cryterion> that's the top 1
[19:00] <Kilos> i wonder who killed it
[19:00] <Cryterion> bottom one seems to be working
[19:00]  * tumbleweed investigates who killed it
[19:01] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed
[19:01] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos
[19:01] <Kilos> hope all well there
[19:01] <tumbleweed> hrm, there's no record of it being disabled
[19:01] <Kilos> oh my
[19:03] <Cryterion> bottom one only has 2 video's, one has been suspended due to copyright, the other is a Tara auditioning
[19:07] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I'm intrigued - we're trying ot figure out what happened
[19:07] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed i can get to the dashboard and it sees me as me
[19:08] <magespawn> tumbleweed: not an area restriction because of the videos/
[19:08] <Kilos> but dont know what to fiddle with
[19:08] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yeah, it's disabled on the hosting side, but nowhere else
[19:08] <magespawn> ?
[19:08] <tumbleweed> Kilos: re-publish
[19:09] <Kilos> i have to find how to edit or something
[19:09] <Kilos> will see what i get ty
[19:10] <Kilos> i dont have a publish button anywahere
[19:10] <Kilos> sigh
[19:10] <tumbleweed> Kilos: go to sitebuilder
[19:11] <tumbleweed> "edit this site" gets you there
[19:12] <Kilos> publishing
[19:12] <Kilos> last update 1470 days ago
[19:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:13] <Kilos> yay ty tumbleweed
[19:13] <Kilos> Cryterion its fixed
[19:14] <magespawn> yup up and running
[19:15] <tumbleweed> Kilos: sorry about that :(
[19:15] <Cryterion> ok, will look shortly
[19:15] <Kilos> np tumbleweed ty for the help
[19:15] <Kilos> smile man :D
[19:18] <Kilos> hi MaNI
[19:29] <MaNL> hi
[19:30] <superfly> hi
[19:30] <superfly> MaNI: how's your solar power doing?
[19:32] <MaNI> heh, pretty good, been running pc off it since about a week ago
[19:32] <MaNI> but just a temporary ground setup still need to get it on the roof
[19:35] <superfly> ah, OK
[19:38] <MaNI> gets about 70% capacity on the ground even with partial shading which is better than I expected
[19:41] <Kilos> nice
[19:41] <Kilos> by the time its on the roof there wont be loadshedding anymore
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe
[19:47] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:54] <MaNI> heh - I've always said that once I get them load shedding will stop
[19:55] <MaNI> but realistically I'm pretty sure we haven't seen the last of it
[19:57] <MaNI> also last sunday we were off the whole day for maintenance, (this happens at least twice a year) was pretty cool not to care about that
[20:01] <magespawn> bed time, good night all
[20:02] <gremble> Good night magespawn
[20:12] <gremble> Oh my. You can run haskell in a Jupyter notebook
[20:51] <tumbleweed> I think we figured out what happened to Kilos' site. A nice gnarley distributed-systems bug
[20:53] <gremble> oh?
[21:00] <tumbleweed> ancient site, wasn't on all the publishing clusters
[21:00] <tumbleweed> so a request comes it for it, it tries to automatically get it published to the cluster
[21:01] <tumbleweed> in the process, it sees that the enabled state is NULL, not True / False (yeah, shitty DB schema)
[21:01] <tumbleweed> and replicates that out to all the clusters as False, not True
[21:01] <tumbleweed> we recently cleaned up those NULLs to True, but this must have been before that
[21:02] <gremble> Was that the google one or the yolasite one?
[21:02] <tumbleweed> Yola
[21:05] <superfly> ah, one of those
[22:19] <gremble> python's matplotlib prings plots practically exactly like matlab. Quite interesting