[18:41] <ITAL0> make[1]: *** [/var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.2.18/build/built-in.o] Errore 127
[18:41] <ITAL0> make: *** [_module_/var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.2.18/build] Errore 2
[18:41] <ITAL0> make: uscita dalla directory "/usr/src/linux-headers-3.5.0-42-generic"
[18:41] <ITAL0> yes as root
[18:42] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [daftykins]: ufw is a easy tool for firewall/iptables, okay?
[18:42] <ricardobarbosams> ITAL0, have kernel source
[18:42] <daftykins> ITAL0: so you haven't got your kernel source / headers installed. you'll need them
[18:42] <ITAL0> I have installed kernel source and gcc
[18:42] <Crazyzurfer> daftykins: how can i upgrade the kernel?
[18:42] <ricardobarbosams> ithink what i need compile module
[18:43] <MonkeyDust> JoBArTe_Skuld  fwbuilder is more advanced
[18:43] <ITAL0> yes I have
[18:43] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [MonkeyDust]: fwbuilder is CLI or GUI? :o
[18:43] <ripthejacker> how do I install a package from backport in ubuntu 13.04 roaring?
[18:43] <ITAL0> o# uname -a
[18:43] <ITAL0> Linux host 3.5.0-42-generic #65-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 1 23:38:22 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:44] <MonkeyDust> JoBArTe_Skuld  it's GUI
[18:44] <daftykins> ITAL0: run uname -r, then sudo apt-get install linux-headers-<what uname -r printed>
[18:44] <ricardobarbosams> ITAL0, humm post complete output error
[18:44] <ripthejacker> and before that how do I check what version of the package is present in the backports?
[18:44] <JoBArTe_Skuld> :(
[18:44] <ricardobarbosams> the paste
[18:44] <ricardobarbosams> :)
[18:44] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [MonkeyDust]: thanks, I want a cli app, equal to ufw
[18:45] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [daftykins]: ufw don't work a very well on openvz vm
[18:45] <JoBArTe_Skuld> then I want a alternative for ufw to this :o
[18:45] <daftykins> oh ok, no idea then sorry
[18:45] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [daftykins]: thanks too :)
[18:45] <daftykins> Crazyzurfer: are you on 13.04?
[18:46] <ITAL0> # uname -r
[18:46] <ITAL0> 3.5.0-42-generic
[18:46] <ITAL0> root@host:/home/pablo# apt-get install linux-headers-3.5.0-42-generic
[18:46] <motaka2> hello I need to type in persian in terminal and read in persian too in it, and solutions like this doesn't work for me:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/77657/how-to-enable-arabic-support-in-gnome-terminal   what should i do ?
[18:46] <Crazyzurfer> daftykins: yup
[18:46] <Crazyzurfer> yes
[18:46] <ITAL0> linux-headers-3.5.0-42-generic è già alla versione più recente.
[18:46] <ITAL0> 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.
[18:46] <ITAL0> the headers are installed
[18:47] <ripthejacker> is there any way I can see what version of package is present in the backports
[18:47] <booh> If I re-install grub with a livecd to an hard disk installation, do I need to have the same arch 32 vs 64 bits?
[18:47] <ITAL0> maybe I did update with apt-get update n any files are different?
[18:48] <daftykins> ITAL0: try having build-essential installed also, then try reinstalling
[18:49] <ricardobarbosams> anyone work proxy-arp?
[18:49] <zykotic10> ripthejacker: assuming you've enabled the backports repo, then "apt-cache policy foo" should show what versions are available
[18:50] <ripthejacker> i have enabled backports in software sources
[18:50] <ripthejacker> do I have to configure any file?
[18:50]  * ITAL0 daftykins | # apt-get install build-essential
[18:50] <ITAL0> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto
[18:50] <ITAL0> Generazione albero delle dipendenze
[18:51] <ITAL0> all alredy installed
[18:51] <zarbula> anyone know a good Samba guide for ubuntu for a total newbie?
[18:51] <zykotic10> ripthejacker: no file(s) should be required.  but be sure to "sudo apt-get update" after making the change.
[18:52] <ripthejacker> zykotic10: okay , thanks
[18:52] <ripthejacker> :)
[18:52] <daftykins> ITAL0: ok, then i can only suggest you look up guides on installing virtualbox the appropriate way for ubuntu - it seems you might be doing it a non-standard way perhaps
[18:52] <daftykins> Crazyzurfer: hmm it seems 3.8.0 is the newest kernel that 13.04 will get, assuming you're fully upgraded, you might have to install a newer kernel to fix this issue, but that would be beyond my experience level
[18:53] <ITAL0> daftykins,  | I have debian 6.06 amd64 installed too, and there is go
[18:53] <Crazyzurfer> daftykins: An beyond mine as well
[18:53] <Crazyzurfer> daftykins: anyway, is not that annoying
[18:53] <ITAL0> here with lubuntu 12.10 amd64 no
[18:54] <daftykins> ITAL0: sure but are you installing virtualbox through a download or from the repos?
[18:54] <ITAL0> daftykins, | must I install ubuntu and try again ? what is the better relese to run VM
[18:54] <ITAL0> from download, from repos it was more old
[18:55] <ITAL0> let me see repos have 4.1.18
[18:55] <daftykins> ITAL0: i have a feeling you have to download the v3.x.x kernel source, then symlink the path it said was missing to that source folder - but that would be more of a hack and probably not the supported method
[18:57]  * ITAL0 daftykins so the different kernels link update is a problem
[18:57] <daftykins> ITAL0: it's a total guess :)
[18:58] <ITAL0> daftykins, I supposed it , but I'm not so expert to understand it
[18:58] <Wavesonics> hey is anyone here using Ubuntu Phone as their daily driver?
[18:58]  * ITAL0 daftykins so is it better I install a "clear" version of ubuntu and after instal virtual box?
[18:59] <daftykins> ITAL0: is that not what your lubuntu installation is? clean?
[18:59] <booh> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd#.Ulb2p1NMfk0  <-- I try to follow this link but sys is not found to mount
[19:00] <ITAL0> daftykins, | I did many apt-get update upgrade and I added any repository as back n other
[19:00] <ITAL0> maybe anything is changed from original configuration
[19:01] <semitones> Can I get help troubleshooting my USB Drive? fdisk says that /dev/sdb is "read only" and won't interact with it, seemingly. I don't know what's going on. I just want to reformat it
[19:02] <mrrcp> anyone here a screen / irssi expert?
[19:02] <arthurdent> where are upstart scripts stored?
[19:02] <arthurdent> or how does that system work
[19:02] <Zal> mrrcp, what are the requirements for expertise?
[19:03] <mrrcp> lol
[19:03] <mrrcp> Zal: im having a issue with it not BEEP
[19:03] <ezra-s> arthurdent, check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpstartHowto
[19:03] <mrrcp> when my name is called out
[19:03] <mrrcp> is there a trick to get it to work with 12.04?
[19:03] <Zal> mrrcp, no clue here, but I suggest asking your specific question to the channel. Actually, I suggest you try #irssi instead.
[19:04] <mrrcp> its not a irssi issue
[19:04] <Zal> how do you know?
[19:04] <mrrcp> because i know
[19:04] <Zal> oh, psychic! cool, good luck
[19:04] <arthurdent> ezra-s: i guess i meant initctl
[19:05] <mrrcp> its a screen or ubuntu issue
[19:05] <Zal> mrrcp, maybe someone else who is also psychic will answer your unasked question.
[19:05] <daftykins> semitones: is it read only mounted if you type "mount" ?
[19:06] <semitones> let me check
[19:07] <mrrcp> Zal duck a sick
[19:07] <semitones> daftykins, it does not appear on mount
[19:07] <eer> What is the difference between pts and tty?
[19:07] <Tylertwo> semitones, Has it always been read-only?
[19:08] <semitones> Tylertwo, no not always. I tried reformatting it with dd, and after that it was read only
[19:08] <OerHeks> eer A tty is a native terminal device, pty  is pseudo terminal device
[19:09] <eer> OerHeks, what does that mean?
[19:09] <Tylertwo> semitones, I did the same thing once. I solved by using gparted to wipe the usb and that made it writeable again
[19:09] <kostkon> mrrcp, the pcskr module is not loaded in ubuntu and for the one emulated by libcanberra/pulseaudio i think there isn't a file associated with that by default in ubuntu/ubuntu's audio theme
[19:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> don't suppose you folks would be willing to assist in the creation of a hirens boot usb?
[19:09] <OerHeks> eer,  pty (pseudo terminal device) is a terminal device which is emulated by an other program (example: xterm, screen, or ssh are such programs)
[19:09] <kostkon> event*
[19:09] <semitones> Tylertwo, daftykins , I initially tried gparted, but it won't touch the drive either, because /dev/sdb is read only
[19:10] <mrrcp> kostkon: do you know of a site or a fix ?
[19:10] <daftykins> semitones: nasty, i take it there are no physical switches to write protect on the device?
[19:10] <semitones> there are none, but good call
[19:10] <eer> OerHeks, and tty is what I get when I press control+alt+f1 for example?
[19:10] <semitones> maybe some hardware is broken, acting as a physical switch would
[19:10] <OerHeks> eer yes
[19:11] <eer> OerHeks, thx
[19:11] <daftykins> semitones: do you have another OS you could write a new partition table with?
[19:11] <Tylertwo> semitones, What is the error message gparted gives you?
[19:12] <semitones> daftykins, I tried with windows first and it said read only. I'm starting to think it's just irreversibly broken
[19:12] <semitones> Tylertwo, at first gparted said IO error. I don't know what it would say now
[19:12] <kostkon> mrrcp, not really. either try loading the module or try to add a file for the beep event or whatever is called in your sound settings if you have ubuntu i guess there shouls be a sound effects tab there
[19:12] <booh> Since I update, I have this problem :ubuntu gave up waiting for root device:  and trying to enter in busybox but fail too with something about modeprobe timemout.
[19:13] <Tylertwo> semitones, Try it again and see?
[19:13] <daftykins> semitones: hmm i have heard flash drives die into a read only state, but there's also a lot of talk on google results of this situation. you're not the first to ask too
[19:13] <mrrcp> screw it
[19:13] <daftykins> semitones: my favourite Windows command is running 'diskpart' followed by 'clean' to nuke any trace. worth giving that a go?
[19:14] <semitones> writing that down
[19:14] <daftykins> semitones: well, you have to select the chosen disk before 'clean' :D
[19:14] <daftykins> semitones: so run diskpart, eventually a prompt comes up - then "list disk", look in the table for the appropriate device based on size in MB, then "select disk #" where # = a number value from the table, then 'clean' on its' own
[19:15] <daftykins> ugh why do i always mix my quotes
[19:15] <semitones> daftykins, yeah gparted says IO error still.
[19:15] <semitones> Thanks for helping me troubleshoot this, I'm pretty sure it's broken now if gparted keeps getting that error
[19:16] <honestemu> How does one get xdotool to open applications in a specific workspace?
[19:16] <Tylertwo> semitones, Maybe it's different for us since I wrote the dd to sdb1 and you wrote it to sdb
[19:17] <honestemu> I checked the manpage, but the command that allows me to do that, isn't working.
[19:17] <daftykins> semitones: ah, that was a windows program though (diskpart) ok, last idea would be USB ports on the motherboard or not (if it's a desktop).
[19:18] <Territoriojoven> How can I install opera next in *buntu?
[19:20] <jhutchins> semitones: You are doing this as root, right?
[19:20] <jhutchins> !opera
[19:20] <MarkovB> Unknown command
[19:21] <jhutchins> MarkovB: Which Unknown command?
[19:21] <sqldude443> Apparently my bot joined this channel for some reason, sorry. Made him leave.
[19:21] <Argh> Hi. In ubuntu 10 how do I get a non-x environment from boot? x server is failing some kind of sanity check & I can't access terminals so need straight from boot
[19:22] <arthurdent> add single to the kernel params via grub, maybe
[19:22] <zykotic10> Argh: 1) ubuntu 10.* is no longer supported (on desktops) 2) see "/msg ubottu text" for details in booting to console
[19:23] <arthurdent> so hit e when grub comes up and add "single" to the end of the line that looks like linux /vmlinus-linux root= ...
[19:23] <dry[1]> Hi. How could I get Java working on my machine? Related thread here (specs and symptoms): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2171255
[19:23] <zykotic10> arthurdent: i don't thing "single" is correct...
[19:23] <kostkon> Argh, 10.04 is still supported, but only the server version.
[19:24] <arthurdent> zykotic10: pretty sure that's the right parameter
[19:24] <zykotic10> !text | arthurdent
[19:24] <arthurdent> oh ok, i guess single user mode might still try to boot X, huh
[19:27] <superjoe> hi -  I have a couple questions about opengl and ubuntu. if I do glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version" I get 3.0
[19:28] <superjoe> I also have steam installed - I can play tf2 and such
[19:28] <arthurdent> dry[1]: you have 64 bit java installed only, i'm pretty sure
[19:28] <superjoe> I'm wondering if that is using 3.0 or if somehow it's using a different opengl version
[19:28] <arthurdent> dry[1]: or you are missing 32-bit opengl libraries
[19:28] <daftykins> superjoe: what's the benefit to knowing?
[19:28] <dry[1]> arthurdent: thx, I'll check that
[19:29] <superjoe> I'm starting to write some opengl code and I'm deciding what version of opengl to support
[19:29] <arthurdent> dry[1]: it's the opengl libraries and not the java architecture, not sure what you need to install though, sorry
[19:29] <ampw> how do i format my usb drive
[19:30] <superjoe> ampw, unetbootin
[19:30] <ampw> thanks!
[19:30] <kostkon> superjoe, the lowest possible maybe?
[19:30] <superjoe> ampw, if you wanted to make it bootable. otherwise use gparted
[19:30] <ampw> superjoe: i just want to remove all of the drives content
[19:30] <superjoe> ampw, gparted
[19:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Quick question: Can the mini.iso be used to upgrade existing Ubuntu installs, or only to perform clean installs?
[19:32] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: it's mini - it has nothing on it
[19:34] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia: I guess that answers my question... I guess I should ask "is the way the mini.iso works capable of upgrading existing installs?
[19:34] <SonikkuAmerica> "
[19:34] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: how would that happen ? there is no data on it, it pulls things from the internet
[19:34] <kordis> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu and mb sb can explain me why when I write apt-get update and then upgrade it says everything is installed, but software center says there are 7 more possible updates
[19:34] <kordis> I thought apt-get checks everything and upgrades it
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia: And the rephrase game goes on... I know it just pulls stuff from the Internet, but can the install process detect and give the option to upgrade an existing install?
[19:35] <Tylertwo> kordis, This might help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/141119/what-is-the-equivalent-terminal-command-of-update-manager
[19:36] <zykotic10> kordis: using apt-get you need "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to install everything (like the GUI does by default)
[19:36] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: what are you talking about ??? you just use update-manager
[19:36] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: why do you need the mini-iso to do that
[19:36] <superjoe> kordis, I believe that the updates which require restart (such as new kernel versions) are not installed with the upgrade command
[19:36] <ikonia> or why are you even considering the mini iso
[19:36] <daftykins> SonikkuAmerica: what's the plan? are you trying to use supplied offline packages?
[19:36] <superjoe> kordis, but you can use "dist-upgrade" to include those
[19:36] <kostkon> kordis, maybe it's a case of partial upgrade so you need the dist-upgrade cmd
[19:39] <kostkon> kordis, the update manager in ubuntu prompts you for a partial upgrade in cases e.g. when a pacakge is to be removed and replaced by another that has a different name, major jumps in versions etc
[19:40] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia, daftykins: Well, ... my situation is rather awkward... the hardware I'm running has a dead fan, and my new computer is getting repaired. Performing a release upgrade cia [ do-release-upgrade -d ] (to 13.10 RC that is) would take longer than the system has before the temp sensor detects a burning CPU and switches the computer off. Granted that the mini.iso uses a CLI equivalent to pull stuff from the Net, I'd figure that
[19:40] <antar> Hi people my skype sound is so bad on ubuntu ?
[19:40] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia, daftykins: ... be able to complete itself. See what I mean?
[19:40] <daftykins> SonikkuAmerica: surely upgrading is a bad idea then? :)
[19:40] <daftykins> SonikkuAmerica: surely drive substitution to another system would be more successful?
[19:40] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: it doesn't work like that, and it would cause the same overheaing
[19:41] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: the load will be from the checking of the packages, not running a gui
[19:41] <kostkon> antar, you need to clarify which one, the one you are receiving or the one you are sending
[19:41] <antar> Guys
[19:41] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: to be honest, I believe it would be unwise to upgrade to a development version while suffering a hardware problem, it's asking for trouble
[19:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia, daftykins: Well, I won't try to argue against hardware reasoning... it was a shot... I guess 13.04 will be the last OS this hardware sees.
[19:41] <antar> kostkon, The one that i am receive
[19:41] <kostkon> antar, ok
[19:42] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia, daftykins: (After all, I got a C- in a hardware class) Thanks anyway.
[19:42] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: do-release-upgrade pulls stuff from the net, the same speed as the mini-iso would pull it from the net, so you'd still hit the same time limit problem
[19:43] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia: I would think, however, running a GUI would put more load on the overall MB temperature though (as it's doing now)
[19:43] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: you'd still hit the same issue when the packages install and the cpu load goes through the roof doing verification
[19:43] <antar> kostkon, Where are you
[19:44] <Valdus> all: hi, i installed kubuntu and xubuntu and now my bootup time is like 3 times longer, so i tried to uninstall them but i don't think i got everything.  does anyone have a good guide on how to eradicate everything related to kubuntu and xubuntu? i googled around but nothing does it 100% yet
[19:44] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: instead of using the mini-iso you could simple shutdown X to prove this, but you'll hit the same issues in my view
[19:44] <daftykins> i agree with ikonia, update installation is just too intensive
[19:45] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia: Typically killing the X server seems to help... maybe I should time it. Thank you and daftykins for your help though.
[19:45] <honestemu> Can anyone recommend a tool to  start  applications on login  in specific workspaces?
[19:45] <wilee-nilee> Valdus, this site has lists of desktop packages. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/
[19:46] <antar> kostkon,
[19:46] <antar> Guys i have a problem with skype for ubuntu
[19:46] <Valdus> wilee-nilee: thank you once again!
[19:47] <zykotic10> honestemu: while i believe it's possible with KDE, i'm unaware of a tool to do it for Gnome/Unity.  best of luck.
[19:48] <honestemu> zykotic10: Is Gnome/Unity the default on Ubuntu?
[19:48] <zykotic10> honestemu: yes.
[19:49] <honestemu> zykotic10: I never tried KDE. Would you recommend I try it?
[19:49] <zykotic10> honestemu: personally, i would not.  but others like it.
[19:50] <honestemu> zykotic10: Is the difference between KDE and Gnome/Unity just the GUI? Is there any internal differences?
[19:51] <zykotic10> honestemu: well KDE uses QT under the hood, while gnome uses GTK.  but the main difference, is the GUI/Programs...
[19:57] <arthurdent> are there any verbose flags for initctl?
[20:00] <Dwarf> Evening. My flash doesn't have sound, mpd works fine.
[20:01] <Dwarf> So does mplayer.
[20:01] <Dwarf> System sounds work
[20:02] <sunny_le> i am installing qemu from synaptic, there are other packages that get installed along with it, but when i type apt-get install qemu only qemu package is installed. how can i install the qemu package with dependency ?
[20:03] <vemacs> sunny_le: they are already installed.
[20:03] <vemacs> if you removed qemu and then tried installing it
[20:03] <vemacs> you need to apt-get autoremove to remove those dependencies
[20:04] <sunny_le> vemacs, installed qemu for the first time.
[20:04] <arthurdent> why is there virtually no support for mint?
[20:04] <compdoc> sunny_le, you probably want to install qemu-kvm
[20:04] <daftykins> arthurdent: only official ubuntu support in here. all derivatives must find their own channels
[20:05] <arthurdent> daftykins: i'm completely aware. the mint support channels are completely useless
[20:05] <ikonia> that's not true at all
[20:05] <irate_badger_467> I have a laptop running a fresh install of ubuntu server 13.04. It's connecting to the internet via wifi - how can I bridge its wifi and ethernet ports so that another machine can share its internet connection?
[20:05] <kostkon> arthurdent, much smaller number of users compared to ubuntu
[20:05] <daftykins> arthurdent: sadly that doesn't mean you can ask in here as a fallback
[20:05] <sunny_le> i have 2 ubuntu machine, where i tried installing qemu for the first machine through synaptic it installed multiple packages like qemu-system-*
[20:05] <arthurdent> daftykins: i know, i haven't asked anything. it's an upstart problem, but it's an upstart problem with the forked gdm (mdm)
[20:06] <daftykins> sunny_le: if they truly are dependancies then they'd be pulled in as well.
[20:06] <sunny_le> in other machine through cli i installed qemu but didn't installed the other packages.
[20:06] <arcsky> isnt wierd i can connect to my company exchange mail from my iphone but not from thunderbird. does anyone know something better than thunderbird?
[20:06] <daftykins> sunny_le: is it actually failing to run?
[20:06] <sunny_le> daftykins, it runs without an error
[20:06] <daftykins> sunny_le: then just use it and be happy? :)
[20:06] <sunny_le> compdoc, no i am looking for qemu and not qemu-kvm
[20:07] <compdoc> sunny_le, so you cpu doesnt include VT?
[20:07] <compdoc> your
[20:07] <kostkon> sunny_le, what's your cpu
[20:07] <zykotic10> sunny_le: does your CPU support virtualization?  if it does, you really DO want qemu-kvm - it's MUCH faster
[20:07] <sunny_le> daftykins, i want to emulate sparc architecture, when installed qemu i didn't got qemu-system-sparc
[20:07] <Dwarf> No idea on why my flash doesn't have sound, and everything else does?
[20:08] <compdoc> cool
[20:08] <sunny_le> compdoc, kostkon and zykotic10 yeah it does support VT, currently i am using KVM successfully.
[20:08] <kostkon> sunny_le, btw there is a nice gui for qemu qemulator
[20:09] <sunny_le> kostkon, great
[20:09] <zykotic10> Dwarf: are you using Pulse?  or just ALSA?
[20:09] <Dwarf> Alsa
[20:09] <beautiful-loser> hi
[20:09] <zykotic10> Dwarf: "cat /proc/asound/cards" do you have more then one listed?  is the card you want to use card 0?
[20:10] <Dwarf> Only one card is listed
[20:10] <arthurdent> is there a common reason upstart might say "x stop/waiting" instead of starting a service?
[20:10] <zykotic10> Dwarf: humm, i got nothing to suggest then.  best of luck.
[20:10] <sunny_le> till i know, qemu is for those hardware in which VT is not present is that correct ?
[20:10] <arthurdent> or a way to debug the problem
[20:10] <irate_badger_467> Is there a better channel to ask about networking on Ubuntu Server?
[20:10] <Dwarf> Flash is the only thing that isn't working, mpd and the system sounds work perfectly
[20:10] <ikonia> arthurdent: take it to the mint channel please.
[20:11] <Dwarf> irate_badger_467: Try ##networking
[20:11] <sunny_le> irate_badger_467, join #ubuntu-server and ##networking
[20:11] <arthurdent> ikonia: i asked there two hours ago nobody has said anything
[20:11] <irate_badger_467> Dwarf: Ok, thanks!
[20:11] <arthurdent> this is a general question about upstart
[20:11] <ikonia> arthurdent: yes, you also told someone off for asking suse support in mint - now you're asking for mint support in #ubuntu - stop it
[20:11] <ikonia> arthurdent: take it to the mint channel
[20:11] <Pici> arthurdent: Then ask in the #upstart channel.  Not here.
[20:11] <arthurdent> Pici: thank you, i didn't know there was an upstart channel
[20:12] <sunny_le> through which command i can know about the dependency of a package ?
[20:13] <kostkon> sunny_le, try apt-cache info package_name
[20:13] <Dwarf> Also: Flash crashes on youtube after 3 seconds
[20:13] <Pici> sunny_le: apt-cache show packagename
[20:13] <kostkon> sorry apt-cache show yeah
[20:14] <zykotic10> sunny_le: personally, i like "apt-cache depends foo" or for the reverse, "apt-cache rdepends foo"
[20:15] <sunny_le> zykotic10, what is rdepends ?  in reverse but like how ?
[20:15] <sunny_le> kostkon, it didn't worked , pici it worked
[20:15] <zykotic10> sunny_le: reverse-dependencies, what packages depend on it.
[20:15] <sunny_le> zykotic10, great
[20:18] <Dwarf> Problem solved: apparmor blocked firefox from using the sound system?
[20:18] <Dwarf> I guess
[20:19] <eer> How can one get help on the /etc/sudoers file?
[20:20] <zykotic10> eer: do you just want to give a user permission to use sudo?
[20:20] <ninnjja> do I have to partitionate HD to install ubuntu?
[20:20] <anon12> How do I set a usb wireless adapter to act as a hotspot, capture packets, and forward them to either wlan0 tun0 or eth0 from wlan1 depending upon the active internet connection?
[20:21] <eer> zykotic10, no . I want to understand how the /etc/sudoers file works and what its content means
[20:21] <zykotic10> eer: i see.  best of luck.
[20:21] <wheatthin> eer,  man sudo
[20:21] <Pici> eer: man 5 sudoers
[20:21] <eer> wheatthin, nope. nothing in there about /etc/sudoers syntax
[20:22] <wheatthin> eer, there is really no syntax
[20:22] <Pici> eer: or just man sudoers  I guess.  I tend to explictly ask about file formats with section 5 by habit.
[20:22] <Pici> wheatthin: sure there is.
[20:23] <eer> thx
[20:23] <anon12> eer, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[20:24] <anon12> How do I set a usb wireless adapter to act as a hotspot, capture packets, and forward them to either wlan0 tun0 or eth0 from wlan1 depending upon the active internet connection?
[20:24] <anon12> got disconnected
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> !ics | anon12 you mean this?
[20:29] <nopf> hi. so i'm installing (saucy) to a server which has "lsi software raid 1" or such, i'm using lvm (which i do not fully understand or maybe have forgotten how to use) and i just do not know where to put grub and how that shoould work
[20:31] <daftykins> nopf: #ubuntu+1 for saucy.
[20:32] <nopf> daftykins: yeah, i'm just asking there. still i think i do understand something basically wrong, which is not saucy specific...
[20:32] <daftykins> sure, but let's say something in what you want to do was broken, they'd be able to say!
[20:33] <nopf> yeah, you're right. will stay in there with this problem, ok
[20:40] <Dwarf> Ugh
[20:40] <Dwarf> Seriously considering going back to another distro
[20:40] <Dwarf> I thought ubuntu was supposed to be easy
[20:40] <Dwarf> If I plug in my headphones it won't detect them. Sound plays on both the speakers and headphone.
[20:44] <arthurdent> for anyone curious, I solved the upstart problem. apparently when upstart reads /etc/profile, it chokes if it contains "source script" instead of ". script", not sure why this is (i assume it's running /etc/profile with sh instead of bash, i just don't understand why)
[20:45]  * repudiate applauds arthurdent for solving the upstart problem!
[20:45] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, for a quick dirty fix, if you have a HP jack on your speakers , use that , normally that will mute the speakers
[20:46] <Dwarf> I tried all my holes and it continues to play over the speakers
[20:46] <Dwarf> I'll load snd-hda-intel and see how it goes
[20:46] <bekks> arthurdent: Of course /bin/bash isnt used, because it isnt the default shell in Ubuntu.
[20:46] <repudiate> arthurdent:  intelligent people are more susceptible to
[20:46] <repudiate>                    depression.
[20:46] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, isd this a laptop?
[20:46] <repudiate> arthurdent: http://i.imgur.com/stNSaaY.png
[20:46] <Dwarf> Yes
[20:47] <nopf> Dwarf: in extreme cases you could have luck with gnome-alsamixer, it has much more buttons than the normal sound controls...
[20:47] <Dwarf> CLI alsamixer has all settings iirc
[20:48] <arthurdent> bekks: I don't use ubuntu personally, i just maintain it for a bunch of other machines, the distro just symlinks sh to bash, so source works fine.
[20:48] <arthurdent> the distro I use*
[20:48] <nopf> Dwarf: yeah, should be the same. so you have tried that? sometimes it's a strange combination of ~3 switches in the correct order to get to the wanted result
[20:48] <Dwarf> I've checked everything, pretty sure that loading the snd-hda-intel will fix it, altho it has been a while since I've fiddled with it so I'm looking up the syntax now
[20:52] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[20:52] <Dwarf> lspci already shows "Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel"
[20:54] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, pavucontrol might help with the HP settings/device outputs
[20:54] <Dwarf> I'm using alsa
[20:54] <Nerve> what's alsa?
[20:55] <kostkon> Dwarf, did you remove pulse or using lubuntu
[20:55] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, alsa needs pavucontrol , it's setup as a gui for the pulsdeaudio sound server , a necessary evil :P
[20:56] <Dwarf> I only installed the base ubuntu system and installed MATE
[20:56] <Dwarf> Which uses alsa
[20:56] <Dwarf> afaik
[20:56] <Ben64> dwarf: mate is not supported here
[20:56] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, run pulseaudio in the terminal , see what results
[20:56] <kostkon> Dwarf, it does? actually pulse sits on top of alsa, doesn't replace it
[20:56] <kostkon> Dwarf, ps -A | grep pulse
[20:57] <Dwarf> BluesKaj: No such command, kostkon: Nothing
[20:57] <kostkon> not even ps?!
[20:57] <Dwarf> Like I said, I only have alsa
[20:57] <Dwarf> Good ol' alsa
[20:57] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, which command?
[20:57] <kostkon> !find ps
[20:58] <Dwarf> BluesKaj: zsh: command not found: pulseaudio
[20:58] <kostkon> oh
[20:58] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, so you purged it ?
[20:58] <Dwarf> I never installed it
[20:59] <Ben64> Dwarf: its installed by default on ubuntu, are you sure you have ubuntu and not mint
[20:59] <BluesKaj> it should install bt default
[20:59] <BluesKaj> by
[20:59] <Dwarf> Ben64: I did a netinstall of ubuntu, installing only the base system, then I installed X and MATE
[20:59] <Ben64> well we can't support such a system
[20:59] <Guest83138> hello
[20:59] <joncam> Hello ubuntu-folk!  I'm looking to buy a new laptop, and am rather picky in the hardware specs.  I'm mostly looking at Lenovos; and cross-checking hardware against the official lists and such.  I'd love any recommendations of other vendors that have great hardware that tends to be Linux-friendly
[21:00] <Dwarf> Of course you can, ubuntu is ubuntu, the desktop environment is in no way a deciding factor, Ben64
[21:00] <bekks> !hcl | joncam
[21:00] <Ben64> yes it is
[21:00] <Guest83138> hallo
[21:00] <ikonia> Dwarf: it is when it's a 3rd party repo that pulls in different dependencies
[21:01] <joncam> bekks: Thanks, I'm checking against that, but it tends to be out of date; and not exactly friendly to use
[21:01] <Dwarf> So if I were to boot without GUI and my sound still did the same you could support me?
[21:01] <Dwarf> Cause if that's the case I'll boot without starting X
[21:01] <ikonia> Dwarf: no, as your 3rd party repo still pulls in those dependencies
[21:01] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, good luck with websites that use flash-audio
[21:02] <DirtyHarry> hello
[21:02] <kostkon> Dwarf, jack sense works fine on my hp netbook and mind you it has a mobile phone type mini jack plug
[21:03] <DirtyHarry> need some help with nm-connection-manager
[21:03] <DirtyHarry> get error :
[21:03] <DirtyHarry> ** (nm-connection-editor:918): WARNING **: Icon nm-vpn-standalone-lock missing: Error opening file: No such file or directory
[21:03] <DirtyHarry> ** (nm-connection-editor:918): WARNING **: Failed to initialize the UI, exiting...
[21:03] <FloodBot1> DirtyHarry: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:03] <kostkon> Dwarf, that can accept both regular mini jack plugs (2 rings) and the ones with 3 rings
[21:04] <anon12> Does anyone know how to setup internet sharing with the client connecting to a usb wireless card on wlan1 and forwarding it to either wlan0 or eth0 while also capturing the packets as a mitm? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing has not helped
[21:05] <ikonia> anon12: don't snoop on people
[21:05] <anon12> it is my own device
[21:05] <anon12> I want to see what type of packets its sending
[21:05] <kostkon> Dwarf, in other words, one input for mic headphones or headset :/
[21:05] <ikonia> anon12: don't try to snoop on people
[21:07] <Dwarf> k well
[21:07] <Dwarf> thanks for the support?
[21:08] <DirkyHarry> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6219766/
[21:08] <anon12> ikonia, how do I set the connection sharing up?
[21:08] <kostkon> Dwarf, i said that to point out that im using vanilla ubuntnu with pulse etc and it works fine.
[21:09] <ikonia> !ics | anon12
[21:09] <Dwarf> Aye, but it's different hardware and different software, it's doesn't really compare
[21:09] <anon12> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing has not worked
[21:10] <ikonia> anon12: it works fine
[21:10] <kostkon> Dwarf, what's the laptop model
[21:10] <Dwarf> Dell l501x
[21:10] <Dwarf> Works fine on debian, too
[21:10] <Dwarf> Strangely
[21:10] <anon12> ikonia, the connection does not work when the client tries connecting to the host computer
[21:10] <ikonia> anon12: that guide works fine
[21:11] <xsi> Who knows how to remain a delimiter when " | cut -f 1 -d ";" " ?
[21:11] <anon12> ikonia,  Why does the connection not complete from the client to the host?
[21:11] <ikonia> anon12: you'll have to check that, firewall ?
[21:12] <anon12> ikonia, what do I need to modify about the firewall?
[21:12] <Dwarf> anon12: paste the output of "iptables -nvL" for me will you?
[21:13] <kostkon> Dwarf, so maybe your custom install could be missing something. i can't find any bugs related to the problem youve got and the laptop model except this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/829843
[21:14] <anon12> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6219795/
[21:14] <kostkon> Dwarf, you could also plug and unplug the headphones and then check your dmesg for example
[21:15] <Dwarf> anon12: Nothing is blocked
[21:15] <DirkyHarry> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6219766/
[21:16] <anon12> Dwarf, does that mean the firewall is not an issue?
[21:16] <kostkon> Dwarf, usually the kernel creates an event when you od it that then gets picked up by pulse. i don't know what happens at the alsa level though
[21:18] <raub> If networkmanager does nto write the dhcp client stuff to /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases, where does it do it then?
[21:18] <DirkyHarry> list
[21:19] <jmknsd> Has there been some change made to Intel graphics drivers recently? I've had my laptop lock up for the second time today while not doing anything particularly strenuous.
[21:19] <kostkon> jmknsd, no intel updaes recently, on 12.04 at least
[21:19] <kostkon> related*
[21:20] <jmknsd> hmm. It's been fine up until a few days ago.
[21:20] <jmknsd> It might be related to having a second monitor hooked up
[21:20] <Marlenee> how to downalod files from sourceforge directly using CLI ?
[21:20] <kostkon> jmknsd, thats a possibility
[21:21] <auronandace> Marlenee: man wget
[21:21] <kostkon> Marlenee, with wget or curl?
[21:21] <Marlenee> i try " curl -L -O link " not work
[21:21] <tutak> Hello everybody im still using ubuntu 11.10
[21:22] <DirkyHarry> nm-connection-editor:918): WARNING **: Failed to initialize the UI, exiting..
[21:22] <tutak> thought i would do the update coz i have trouble installing packages
[21:22] <jmknsd> where is the first place to look for why my machine locked up?
[21:22] <auronandace> tutak: 11.10 is no longer supported
[21:22] <jmknsd> poking around /var/log, but I am not sure what I'm looking for.
[21:22] <kostkon> !eol | tutak, start from here
[21:23] <tutak> auronandace, i know. do you know of a guide of the things i should do to have a smooth transition? i have some pretty ugly experience with these updates where i have had to do a clean reinstall
[21:23] <kostkon> tutak, i just did that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[21:23] <jmknsd> I think it's the same error I had before "[drm:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung    [drm] capturing error event; look for more information in /debug/dri/0/i915_error_state"
[21:24] <Marlenee> i need someone know how to downalod from sourceforge Using CLI !!
[21:24] <kostkon> Marlenee, try with wget
[21:25] <auronandace> tutak: i always clean install
[21:25] <kostkon> Marlenee, wget URL
[21:25] <bekks> Marlenee: use wget, curl or axel.
[21:25] <tutak> kostkon, thanks for the link
[21:25] <tutak> auronandace, but what about the configurations and the software you have installed?
[21:25] <tutak> you all start from scratch?
[21:25] <Marlenee> wget is download just page
[21:26] <auronandace> tutak: doesn't take that long to get it back up and running
[21:27] <Petazz> Why is there only v 0.10 for ubuntu in the repos?
[21:27] <Petazz> For node.js :)
[21:27] <auronandace> !latest | Petazz
[21:27] <kostkon> Petazz, node.js is something you could download from its site. it's a js lib
[21:27] <JennyUSA> hello
[21:28] <JennyUSA> need some help pls
[21:28] <Petazz> kostkon: Maybe I'll dl and install it from there. thx
[21:33] <rypervenche> JennyUSA: Ask your question :)
[21:40] <ampw> is there another way to change a file into an executable file
[21:40] <CyclicFlux> Hello all!!!
[21:40] <ampw> chmod +x does this?
[21:41] <CyclicFlux> I had a bit of a problem, and though I know a few ways of fixing it, I wanted to get a few opinions on the best.
[21:41] <bekks> ampw: chmod +x sets the executable bit. It doesnt magically change the file contents. What are you trying to do?
[21:41] <CyclicFlux> During my upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10. The power at my house went off, thus cutting the power to the machine.  Thus, interrupting mid upgrade.
[21:42] <ampw> bekks: i want to make my .sh file executable
[21:42] <JennyUSA> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6219766/
[21:42] <JennyUSA> nm-connection-editor refuses to start because some icon is missing,
[21:42] <JennyUSA> i tried already: "sudo gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" - didnt help
[21:42] <Ben64> CyclicFlux: should have stayed on 12.04, 14.04 is coming in 6 months
[21:42] <CyclicFlux> I went to boot the system again, the purple Ubuntu screen came on, and after just went to a black screen
[21:42] <Tylertwo> !permissions | ampw
[21:42] <Tylertwo> ampw, yes, there are other ways than chmod +x
[21:42] <CyclicFlux> Ben64: Could woulda shoulda
[21:43] <CyclicFlux> Can I do a chroot, with my old 12.04 cd, and then continue the upgrade, or perhaps do it via the recovery mode
[21:43] <bekks> ampw: then it would work.
[21:43] <lesshaste> what's the nice way to add a ppa such as this one? https://launchpad.net/~pypy/+archive/ppa
[21:43] <lesshaste> it says sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name but I am not sure what ppa:user/ppa-name is in this case
[21:44] <OerHeks> lesshaste, ppa:pypy/ppa
[21:44] <Ben64> lesshaste: the exact command is on the page you linked to...
[21:44] <iceroot> lesshaste: You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:pypy/ppa to your system's Software Sources.
[21:44] <bekks> lesshaste: The PPA you want to add.
[21:44] <iceroot> lesshaste: its directly on that page
[21:44] <eer> What is the command visudo used for? I don't get it.
[21:45] <lesshaste> thanks alll
[21:45] <lesshaste> sorry I didn't see it
[21:45] <iceroot> eer: man visudo
[21:45] <bekks> eer: visudo is used for editing /etc/sudoers
[21:45] <eer> yes, I understand but why not just use vi or nano? WHen using visudo I don't see a difference
[21:46] <iceroot> eer: man visudo
[21:46] <iceroot> eer: its the first sentence
[21:46] <iceroot> eer: why you should use visudo and not vim or nano
[21:47] <rubio> quit
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> eer  visudo uses the default editor, similar to 'sudo -e'
[21:48] <raub> eer: I honestly do not know. I myself just use vi.
[21:48] <raub> I do know vipw does try to remind you to also go mess with shadow, but sometimes I do not want to so it is annoying
[21:48] <iceroot> raub: never edit sudoers, passwd or shadow directly with an editor
[21:48] <eer> Got it. Thx
[21:48] <iceroot> raub: always use these tools like visudo
[21:49] <raub> iceroot: why? What do they do in addition to call the editor? And, in the case of vipw, want you to edit shadow too?
[21:49] <iceroot> raub: man visudo
[21:50] <iceroot> raub: as mentionend before, the first sentence explains very good why you should not edit these files directly
[21:50] <gordonjcp> raub: there's a bunch of sanity checking going on too
[21:50] <iceroot> raub: the same for man vipw
[21:51] <iceroot> man vigr and so on
[21:51] <gordonjcp> raub: if you edit with just vim and make a mess of it, you can lock yourself out of the system pretty easily
[21:51] <janisozaur> hi, a project i'm interested in (in c++) is taking really long to compile. is it possible to inspect what takes the compiler so long to process?
[21:51] <iceroot> janisozaur: ##c++, #gcc
[21:52] <gordonjcp> janisozaur: well if you examine the console messages, you'll see what it's currently working on
[21:52] <gordonjcp> janisozaur: some things have huge source files with lots of includes, which take a long time to grind through
[21:52] <raub> gordonjcp: Ok, I can accept the sanity check part.
[21:53] <raub> Kinda like using ldapvi
[21:53] <gordonjcp> raub: same sort of idea
[21:53] <eer> Anybody knows where one can change the Sudo editor permanently? Meaning edit the SUDO_EDITOR environment variable?
[21:53] <kostkon> eer, add it in your .bashrc?
[21:53] <gordonjcp> raub: one of the main reasons for using vipw, visudo and friends, and doing stuff like setting root passwords is that although it'll work, eventually you'll break something
[21:53] <kostkon> or maybe not. not sure
[21:53] <gordonjcp> raub: and then we'll all point and laugh
[21:54] <gordonjcp> *not setting
[21:54] <raub> gordonjcp: me included. I have no problems laughing at meself ;)
[21:54] <gordonjcp> raub: root logins are obsolete
[21:54] <iceroot> eer: Note that this can be a security hole since it allows the user to execute any program they wish simply by setting VISUAL or EDITOR.
[21:54] <gordonjcp> we've had sudo for 20-odd years
[21:54] <gordonjcp> iceroot: only with their own privs though
[21:54] <iceroot> eer: its disabled by default and need to be enabled during the compile
[21:55] <iceroot> gordonjcp: you always run visudo as root of course
[21:55] <gordonjcp> iceroot: right
[21:55] <iceroot> gordonjcp: so you can execute everything by just setting another editor
[21:55] <janisozaur> gordonjcp, the point is that each translation unit is taking looooong, so it is not something isolated to one file only
[21:55] <gordonjcp> iceroot: but you're root already
[21:55] <iceroot> gordonjcp: or you can "trick" the admin by setting up something bad in the editor variable
[21:56] <gordonjcp> iceroot: ie. you have to be root to run visudo
[21:56] <gordonjcp> iceroot: since you're already root, you can already run whatever weirdass binary you like
[21:56] <iceroot> gordonjcp: i will execute visudo and someone was making fun and set editor with rm -r "something bad"
[21:56] <gordonjcp> iceroot: but you can't set the editor for the root session
[21:56] <gordonjcp> iceroot: not unless you're root
[21:57] <janisozaur> gordonjcp, although based on the sole warning spitted out after (almost) every one of them, they might be doing some heavy includes there...
[21:57] <iceroot> gordonjcp: and?
[21:57] <gordonjcp> iceroot: so, your
[21:57] <gordonjcp> iceroot: so, your "security hole" really relies on anyone exploiting it already being root
[21:57] <gordonjcp> iceroot: which is a bit like saying that your car has a security hole, because if you have your car keys you can unlock it
[21:58] <iceroot> gordonjcp: i can also set the editor to "rm -r /home-of-someone" and someone is executing visudo as non-root and then he was an empty home, its like messing around with bad aliases
[21:58] <ikonia> if you set EDITOR to an invalid editor it will not execute
[21:58] <ikonia> it has to be a valid editor
[21:58] <ikonia> if they are not root they can't execute visudo
[21:59] <gordonjcp> iceroot: you can set it *only* for your session
[21:59] <ikonia> iceroot: you are trying to make a problem out of one that does not exist
[21:59] <iceroot> ikonia: like vim -c -e rm -r /something bad?
[21:59] <ikonia> iceroot: no, sorry, that's not an exceptable example
[21:59] <iceroot> ikonia: i am just refering to the manpage
[21:59] <ewol> hi
[21:59] <ewol> how do I install java for linux?
[22:00] <gordonjcp> !java | ewol
[22:00] <iceroot> ikonia: Note that this can be a security hole since it allows the user to execute any program they wish simply by setting VISUAL or EDITOR.
[22:00] <ikonia> iceroot: yes, and I'm just advising you, you are trying to make a problem out of something that doesn't exist
[22:00] <ikonia> iceroot: so ?
[22:00] <ikonia> iceroot: what do you acually want done
[22:00] <gordonjcp> iceroot: it's not much of a security hole, though
[22:00] <gordonjcp> iceroot: you can set EDITOR to something *in your session*
[22:00] <iceroot> ikonia:  i think that warning is there for a good reason, if i am looking how some exploits are working i would not say "its not a problem"
[22:00] <gordonjcp> iceroot: but you can run it anyway
[22:01] <gordonjcp> iceroot: you can't fiddle about with the root user's EDITOR variable
[22:01] <ikonia> iceroot: it isn't a problem for multiple reasons
[22:01] <iceroot> ok
[22:01] <iceroot> who cares
[22:01] <gordonjcp> iceroot: if you have a malicious user who has root, it would work but then you've got bigger problems anyway
[22:01] <iceroot> i dont use visudo, was just refering to the manpage
[22:01] <ikonia> iceroot: and again - why are you raising it, what do you want this channel to do about it ?
[22:02] <iceroot> ikonia: i was answering the question "why is visudo not using the editor variable by default"
[22:02] <ikonia> iceroot: have you actually looked if visudo is compiled with the --witn-env-editor option ?
[22:02] <iceroot> ikonia: because it is disabled and i was naming the reason
[22:02] <ikonia> iceroot: ah, so you're just flagging that it's not actually a problem as that compile option is not used ?
[22:02] <iceroot> ikonia: on my debian its not, on ubuntu i dont know
[22:02] <ikonia> iceroot: my apologies, I thought you where trying to raise it as an actual issue
[22:02] <iceroot> ikonia: no
[22:02] <ewol> how do I install java for linux?
[22:02] <ikonia> iceroot: my apologies
[22:02] <ewol> please
[22:03] <janisozaur> !java | ewol
[22:03] <iceroot> ewol: sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[22:03] <iceroot> !info openjdk-7-jre
[22:03] <ewol> iceroot: thanks bro
[22:03] <iceroot> ewol: but its installed by default if i am correct, maybe just the browser-plugin is missing?
[22:04] <iceroot> icedt or something like that was the name
[22:04] <ewol> iceroot: how do i enable it?
[22:04] <iceroot> ewol: read the link from ubottu
[22:12] <paulo> boa noite
[22:13] <paulo> alguem para teclar
[22:15] <dragonfly> paulo: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList#line-87
[22:16] <paulo> pt
[22:18] <janisozaur> !pt | paulo
[22:20] <reaby1> good evening
[22:29] <iklaros> hello
[22:30] <Martend> hi there :)
[22:33] <jhutchins> Greetings Earth Creature!
[22:33] <reaby> hello
[22:33] <mrrcp> hi
[22:34] <Martend> oh.. we arrived on Earth?
[22:34] <Martend> :)
[22:37] <ewol> I still cant get java working
[22:37] <ewol> can somebody help me?
[22:38] <ewol> please
[22:38] <ewol> ?
[22:40] <reaby> ewol: i got my java installation working using this tutorial: http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Oracle-Java-on-Ubuntu-Linux
[22:41] <iceroot> !details | ewol
[22:41] <iceroot> ewol: what from the infos from us and ubottu did you do and what is not working?
[22:42] <iceroot> reaby: that is unfree java which should not be used
[22:43] <reaby> iceroot, oh, sorry, well i need to run it since my ebanking service doens't work with any other
[22:43] <iceroot> ewol: sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre icedtea-plugin
[22:43] <iceroot> ewol: after that restart your browser
[22:44] <iceroot> reaby: ok
[22:45] <ewol> iceroot: ok thanks
[22:45] <LestatV> ls
[22:46] <LestatV> mt
[22:46] <Yans> Can somebody could give me an answer why empty trash take so long? Ubuntu 13.04 with Unity.
[22:47] <iceroot> Yans: not without details
[22:47] <cjwelborn> What do you have in there Yans?
[22:47] <cjwelborn> 45 full-length movies?
[22:48] <Yans> Whay You need? In Trash i have few old folders with icons, and some .png files. Max. 100 mb and when i press empty trash its only preparing around 10 min.
[22:48] <cjwelborn> Just checking.
[22:48] <iceroot> Yans: are there also files from other medias in the trash (network shares, usb and so on) the trash is always showing all trashes you have in your system (every device has its own trash)
[22:48] <Yans> No only from HDD. I dont even habe diffrent partitions.
[22:49] <Yans> So this is only from /home
[22:49] <iceroot> Yans: encrypted home and something is not mounted?
[22:50] <Yans> Ok, its finish. After preparing files are still inside trash... Fuckin wird \:
[22:50] <Yans> I make a screen, w8.
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> !language | Yans
[22:52] <quackgyver> Can someone tell me how to run a shell script?
[22:52] <quackgyver> I just created an .sh file in Ubuntu desktop and have no idea how to run it
[22:53] <Yans> Ok here You go - http://oi42.tinypic.com/15q6dtv.jpg
[22:53] <Yans> After
[22:54] <Yans> Files are still inside trash \: Whats can be wrong?
[22:56] <quackgyver> Anyone?
[22:57] <chaotic_good> so I got haproxy going but hatop needs a socket, and I cant seem to find that?
[22:57] <chaotic_good> help
[22:58] <Yans> Just great i cannot remove files from trash bin, $#@#%@
[22:59] <quackgyver> Can somebody tell me a) how to run a shell script b) how to remove a file association
[23:00] <quackgyver> Actually, nevermind. If something works against you, then there's no reason why you should work for it.
[23:00] <quackgyver> Giving up on porting my game to Linux.
[23:02] <cjwelborn> quack. to run a shell script, make sure it is executable (chmod +x myscript.sh), and then execute it (./myscript.py) or (bash myscript.py) or whatever shell you use
[23:02] <cjwelborn> woops. that .py slipped in there by habit.
[23:02] <lazors> Too late. He rageleft.
[23:02] <cjwelborn> oh well
[23:05] <chord> is there a way to use btrfs at fresh install
[23:07] <kirashi> hi
[23:10] <mrrcp> hi
[23:18] <Yans> Ok i resolved my problem.
[23:19] <Yans> Propably was too many files, thats why system had problem with deleting.
[23:20] <Yans> Simply log as root on terminal, go to .local/share/Trash and rm -R
[23:20] <Yans> Or also open midnight commander and delete files manualy.
[23:21] <Yans> Thats all, and "thanks" for your help. Brainzzz d;
[23:22] <Timkanpy> Hello !
[23:22] <mrrcp> Howdy
[23:23] <mrrcp> whats up Timkanpy
[23:23] <Timkanpy> I'm good, ty, what abt you ?
[23:23] <mrrcp> good
[23:23] <mrrcp> just chillin
[23:24] <Timkanpy> Is the weather cold where you are ,
[23:24] <Timkanpy> *?
[23:24] <mrrcp> uhm nope
[23:24] <mrrcp> well it is chilly
[23:24] <mrrcp> but not cold
[23:25] <Timkanpy> Okay ^^
[23:25] <Timkanpy> Hum may I ask something about ubuntu ?
[23:25] <mrrcp> yep
[23:25] <Timkanpy> Well, I just got Xubuntu installed on my computer, and I am having a hard time trying to figure out how to install flash player
[23:26] <Timkanpy> I've only used Windows until now (yes, I know, it is bad u_u)
[23:26] <OerHeks> Timkanpy, install xubuntu-restricted-extras, this will install flash, java and more webtools and codecs and such
[23:27] <mattwj2002> is 13.10 out yet?
[23:27] <Timkanpy> Oh, nice ! Where can I find it ?
[23:27] <swaagie> I keep getting i386 recommandations and held broken packages making apt-get essentially broken
[23:27] <k1l_> !saucy | mattwj2002 Timkanpy
[23:27] <mrrcp> Timkanpy: in terminal type   sudo apt-get install <package>
[23:27] <mattwj2002> why is 13.10 mentioned on the front page of ubuntu.com then?
[23:28] <Timkanpy> Okay, gonna try that
[23:28] <swaagie> tried all resolve/fix commands no avail
[23:28] <mrrcp> !apt-get
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> mattwj2002, this is support not canonical ask them.
[23:28] <Timkanpy> sorry for my noob questions, i am a complete beginner with unix
[23:28] <mattwj2002> sorry wilee-nilee
[23:28] <mrrcp> Timkanpy: there is actually a package manager
[23:29] <mrrcp> !muon
[23:29] <k1l_> mattwj2002: good question.
[23:29] <mattwj2002> that was just a rhetorical question
[23:29] <mrrcp> lol
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> this is support
[23:29] <Timkanpy> I have Xubuntu not Kubuntu, does it work the same ?
[23:29] <mrrcp> oo
[23:29] <mattwj2002> got it wilee-nilee
[23:29] <mrrcp> !xubuntu
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> Timkanpy, same as what?
[23:30] <Timkanpy> Xubuntu / Kubuntu
[23:30] <mrrcp> whats the package manager in xubuntu
[23:30] <swaagie> I wanted to resort to wine to get that piece of crap skype working, however I get wine depends on wine1.6 or wine1.7 now :/ any suggestions on how to fix that
[23:30] <mattwj2002> swaggie skype has a native app
[23:30] <Timkanpy> No idea, I think it is the thing called "logithèque"
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> Timkanpy, They are both the ubuntu base, with different desktops, and different and shared apps.
[23:31] <Timkanpy> Ok ty wilee-nilee
[23:31] <swaagie> mattwj2002: afaik they dont for 64bit
[23:32] <mattwj2002> swaggie yes they do
[23:32] <mattwj2002> http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64
[23:32] <mattwj2002> :)
[23:32] <swaagie> errr
[23:32] <swaagie> i386
[23:32] <mattwj2002> what?
[23:33] <mattwj2002> it works in 64 bit though
[23:33] <mattwj2002> what is the problem?
[23:33] <swaagie> yeah it should
[23:33] <swaagie> like it did normally on my other workstation
[23:33] <swaagie> hopeless rabbit hole on laptop, for some reason it keeps refusing to install certain i386 deps
[23:34] <mattwj2002> weird
[23:34] <mattwj2002> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[23:34] <swaagie> yeah and it seems im now left with a pretty broken pacakge manager not even capable of installing  anything ese within resorted and asking for 32bit packages
[23:34] <swaagie> 13.04
[23:34] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, what release are you running
[23:34] <wilee-nilee> ah
[23:35] <mattwj2002> wilee-nilee: any ideas?
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, pastebin sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:35] <swaagie> that sentence I typed was horror :)
[23:35] <Timkanpy> Thanks mrrcp, wilee-nilee , OerHeks for your help :D
[23:36] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: https://gist.github.com/Swaagie/6927340
[23:38] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, You have a number of ppa's I would look at them for these 1386 errors
[23:38] <wilee-nilee> i386*
[23:38] <swaagie> any specific, or just move em all out for now and retry?
[23:38] <Timkanpy> Aaaaaw it still doesn't work
[23:39] <ampw> wilee-nilee: is netflix working on ubuntu
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> ampw, no idea I never use it
[23:39] <ampw> ok thx
[23:39] <mrrcp> !backtrack
[23:40] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: just move all out, update, still same error
[23:40] <mrrcp> they quit making backtrack?
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> mrrcp, backtrack's not on topic hre
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, can you show the error
[23:41] <mrrcp> TheLordOfTime: really?
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> mrrcp, if you read the ubottu message: There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes.
[23:41] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: see comment @ https://gist.github.com/Swaagie/6927340
[23:42] <TheLordOfTime> mrrcp, see the #kali-linux channel for any backtrack issues (per the Ubottu message)
[23:42] <Timkanpy> I am stucked on a message about ttf-mscorefonts-installer after I tried to install the package
[23:43] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: just double checked dpkg architecture, foreign is null and print will yield amd64 so that seems fine as well
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, Please post every command with the lists, I never use wine I just use windows apps in windows.
[23:44] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: likewise, only not in this case :) what do you mean with every command btw?
[23:45] <swaagie> im not specifically after wine btw, more after skype, but that failed due to other i386 deps and now everything seems to resolve to that, I can retry everything I did with skype ofc
[23:45] <swaagie> couldn't care less about wine
[23:46] <ninjjaa> is intel opengl always worse in linux compared to windows?
[23:50] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: https://gist.github.com/Swaagie/6927503
[23:50] <centos_> sdf
[23:50] <centos_> asdf
[23:50] <swaagie> skype install attempt with insane logging xD
[23:50] <centos_> join #ruby
[23:52] <nausium> Does this channel offer any support for running steam under wine?
[23:52] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: lol nvm that was fail, will fix it
[23:52] <k1l_> !wine | nausium
[23:52] <OerHeks> nausium, no, but there is a native steam client.
[23:53] <nausium> I've been using the native client for some games but im trying to get a non-native game running
[23:53] <nausium> I'll keep screwing around with PoL, thanks though
[23:53] <OerHeks> !steam
[23:54] <ninjjaa> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_ivbmesa92_win7&num=3 why linux driver is worse? intel's fault or linux kernel is worse?
[23:54] <nausium> ill rephrase my question then, is there a way to install non-native games on the linux-native steam using wine or am i sol
[23:54] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: updated https://gist.github.com/Swaagie/6927503 with useful stuff up until  the point where i'm kinda got lost and tried shitloads
[23:55] <wilee-nilee> !ot | ninjjaa
[23:55] <k1l_> ninjjaa: do you have a actual support question? for general talk we have the -discuss and  -offtopic channel
[23:56] <k1l_> nausium: should i rephrase the message the bot gave you twice? :)
[23:56] <swaagie> starting skype will complain about a missing path now


[01:24] <steev_> welp, tried at&t, clear, time warner and one other, all of them give me BADSIG
[10:10] <marvin24> janimo`: would it be possible to supply a wifi backport package (compiled from compat-wireless) for #ac100 for precise?
[10:59] <janimo`> marvin24, anything you put in your 3.0 stable tree can be put in precise (assuming what you put there is tested :D )
[10:59] <janimo`> marvin24, or you mean a userland package?
[11:25] <marvin24> janimo`: no, I mean a package with kernel modules compiled from compat-wireless against the 3.0 kernel
[11:25] <marvin24> I think ubunutu has some backports-wireless-<kenrel>.deb package
[11:26] <marvin24> it just needs to be re-compiled against our kernel
[11:29] <janimo`> marvin24, I'll need to investigate then, I did not know about this package. Mind filing a bug on the linux-ac100 package in launchpad with URLs and any other info that puts me on track? thanks
[11:30] <janimo`> btw what gets fixed by this upload?
[11:30] <marvin24> janimo`: ok
[11:30] <janimo`> marvin24, and assign it to me so I find it easier :)
[11:31] <marvin24> janimo`: looking at it now, there only exists a package containing the drivers from the lastest ubuntu released kernel
[11:31] <marvin24> so there is no precise package yet
[11:32] <marvin24> still searching ...
[11:32] <marvin24> e.g. https://launchpad.net/oneiric-backports
[11:49] <marvin24> janimo`: maybe you can try to enable the build of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/linux-backports-modules-3.0.0 for arm
[11:49] <marvin24> which would be some starting point at least
[11:50] <janimo`> marvin24, but that is for oneiric, you mean something similar for precise?
[11:50] <marvin24> yes
[11:50] <marvin24> there is no precise package yet
[11:50] <marvin24> as I said, it will only be released if there is a new version > precise released
[11:50] <marvin24> mmh
[11:50] <janimo`> ok. I wonmder it's because most kernels are on 3.2 and don't care?
[11:51] <marvin24> well, we are still on 3.0 ...
[11:51] <marvin24> and there will be likeley no 3.2 kernel in the next future :-(
[11:51] <marvin24> *near future, but next is also right
[11:52] <marvin24> idealy, the package should include latest compat-wireless-trunk (instead of the 3.2 status)
[11:52] <marvin24> then we could also release a package for precise
[11:57] <janimo`> marvin24, does thi sonly affect ac100? I wonder why other kernel maintainers are not dealing with it
[11:58] <marvin24> you mean other arm kernels, or other compat-wireless versions?
[11:58] <marvin24> maybe other arm boards use a different (more stable) wifi chip
[11:59] <marvin24> using compat-wireless from trunk isn't very useful for a released distro on the other hand
[11:59] <marvin24> maybe some personal ppa would be more appropriete
[12:48] <janimo`> marvin24, in either case if you file a bug please specify what needs to be packaged and from where and which problems it fixes. Or just file the bug and add that such a backport fixes it.
[13:03] <marvin24> janimo`: already on the way ;-)
[16:29] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: hm, I'm having quite a few issues with today's image on panda
[16:30] <rsalveti> at least my panda es is constantly freezing
[16:30] <GrueMaster> Today's?  I'll check.
[16:30] <GrueMaster> Actually, I have been seeing that as well.  I'm trying to capture log output,but not successful yet.
[16:30] <rsalveti> and I just noticed that with my 4430 X11 didn't started correctly
[16:31] <rsalveti> I'm getting the needed patches to get sgx to work on it
[16:31] <rsalveti> ok, will try to reproduce and isolate the issues
[16:33] <ogra_> ppisati, ^^^ for the new sgx drivers we will need kernel adjustments
[16:35] <rsalveti> yup, I'm just checking that
[16:39] <ogra_> right, just wanted to warn him about the work coming down the drain :)
[16:44] <ppisati> ack
[20:31] <nox-Hand> Evening, humans!


[01:55] <nixternal> mdke: why haven't the kubuntu-docs been imported into Rosetta yet? The .pot files were included in the package
[01:56] <jjesse> because we hate you
[01:56] <dsas> now everyone will switch to GNOME bwahaha
[01:56] <nixternal> looks like it
[01:56] <nixternal> just got back to the hotel room
[01:57] <jjesse> ah
[01:57] <jjesse> where you at?
[01:57] <nixternal> DC
[01:58] <jjesse> i'm still in columbus
[01:58] <nixternal> fun, I am here visiting my daughter
[01:58] <nixternal> I am here until Wednesday
[02:13] <nixternal> OK, I am going to go down with the neighbor for a few drinks ;)
[08:45] <mdke> nixternal: still waiting on carlos, I'm chasing him basically every day
[03:38] <nixternal> mdke: OK, I have Riddell chasing him now as well
[03:38] <nixternal> hehe
[05:29] <LaserJock> mdke: got a question about translation
[05:30] <LaserJock> mdke: I want to install an about-edubuntu.desktop in edubuntu-docs but I'm not sure exactly how to get it translated
[09:22] <mdke> LaserJock: I have no idea about that. What's it for?
[09:23] <LaserJock> the About Edubuntu item in the System menu
[09:24] <mdke> LaserJock: I'm afraid I don't know anything about that sort of thing
[09:26] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, I just thought you might
[09:26] <LaserJock> I might have to ask seb128
[09:26] <LaserJock> the Ubuntu one is in the gnome-panel package
[09:26] <mdke> looks like it yeah
[09:27] <LaserJock> the ubuntu one has got a .desktop.in
[09:27] <LaserJock> which looks like what is translated
[09:28] <LaserJock> I'll just have to ask seb I guess
[09:28] <mdke> right
[09:44] <LaserJock> mdke: isn't there something close to public domain we could use?
[09:44] <LaserJock> like MIT or something
[09:45] <mdke> yes, maybe
[09:46] <LaserJock> I think a copyleft (I think that's the right term) license should be avoided


[22:22] <sebsebseb> dax: yep that's what I meant above basically,  it refers more to the GUI I guess
[22:22] <sebsebseb> the acstaul work space
[22:22] <sebsebseb> yep
[22:23] <oerheks>  /org/fnome/desktop/background
[22:23] <pavlos> heso: to change background, issue the command gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri file:///home/serrano/Pictures/y.jpg
[22:23] <oerheks> or gnome
[22:24] <CarloWood> Lol reading https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/9yhbmm/kde_vs_kubuntu_vs_kde_neon_vs_plasma/ :  One guy says "Neon is a distro made by KDE themselves which is based on Ubuntu actually but the main difference is NEON will constantly have the absolute newest version of Plasma" and another guy says "Neon has far, far older versions of non-KDE software than other distros. This is perhaps the main reason people who like KDE don't use it."
[22:25] <CarloWood> If both are right then Neon has the latest plasma, but very old versions of the rest.
[22:25] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: yeah I think it's based on a Ubuntu LTS in the background actsually , but you keep on getting the latest KDE stuff
[22:26] <CarloWood> As a developer, I don't like the idea to lag behind too much.  I often need bleeding edge, if only to test it before it becomes mainstream :/
[22:26] <CarloWood> So, no Neon for me.
[22:26] <heso> pavlos thanks that does work. I was sticking to dconf since I found it in the ansible docs. gsettings seems to work better
[22:27] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: well switch to Manjaro KDE or Arch Linux or something then LOL,  those are nice and rolling relase newer this that and hte other contsantly ha ha, bu now getting off topidc
[22:31] <designbybeck> I've never used Wayland....is it in 20.04 and how do I use it
[22:32] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: do you even know what Wayland is ?
[22:32] <designbybeck> better than x11!?
[22:32] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: well yes and no to that
[22:32] <sebsebseb> it's meant to replace xorg
[22:32] <sebsebseb> but it can't quite do everything xorg can just yet
[22:33] <designbybeck> hmmm
[22:33] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: certain graphics cards won't work that well with it as well I think some of the nividia's for example
[22:33] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: from a end user point of view,  it's still mostly so what if GNOME is  being run by xorg or gnome, you won't see the differene or notice
[22:33] <CarloWood> sebsebseb: I read up on it, and it seems that arch linux is not supporting 32bit at all?  If so, that would break steam - and I need that to play games :(.
[22:33] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: arch and manajgor are more complacted distros
[22:34] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: I would recommend to take a look at for KDE distro's these actsually,  Open SUSE,  PC Linux OS, and even Mageia, but we are so off topic now.
[22:35] <sebsebseb> Fedora's KDE stays close to upstream just like Kubuntu
[22:35] <designbybeck> sebsebseb but I see the tearing on videos
[22:35] <CarloWood> We can switch channel, where would be this be on topic?
[22:35] <sebsebseb> CarloWood: ##linux   for all your issues would be good probably actsually
[22:35] <designbybeck> I have NVIDIA on this laptop, I'll look at the settings
[22:36] <dwaltz> designbybeck: supposedly lighter and safer, no app remoting like in X, and yet not totally stable. You can try by selecting it at the login prompt, before typing the passowrd click the gear and see if you have an option referring to Wayland
[22:36] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: no I mean certain cards just won't work with wayland basically
[22:36] <designbybeck> dwaltz I didn't see it in the prompt
[22:36] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: since the driver haven't been made
[22:36] <designbybeck> ah ok
[22:37] <dwaltz> are you usung GDM, LightDM SDDM or what?
[22:37] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: you can try GNOME with wayland but you might just get a black screen dependign on card etc depends
[22:37] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: but xorg is fine enough for most people anyway still as I put above
[22:37] <sebsebseb> !wayland
[22:38] <designbybeck> ok thanks all
[22:38] <designbybeck> I'll go tweak some other things with the new install
[22:40] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: xorg is from the 1970's
[22:40] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: used to be in Unix
[22:40] <sebsebseb> designbybeck: wayland only just started being made a few years ago
[22:40] <sebsebseb> and it's only in more recent ubuntu releaess it's in as an option
[22:44] <kenperkins> so netplan, is that the new way to manage interfaces?
[22:44] <sebsebseb> what's net plan ?
[22:44] <oerheks> !netplan
[22:45] <oerheks> kenperkins, yes
[22:45] <oerheks> bonding, bridges, the lot
[22:46] <kenperkins> it's astounding how much easier netplan made dhcp and static on the same interface
[23:00] <kenperkins> if you use netplan to set dhcp on an interface and a static on the same interface; will the dhcp search and domain options still get applied?
[23:01] <oerheks> i guess that yaml will error out
[23:01] <iAmDecim> hi, has anyone booted into live cd and though your keyboard works you're unable to type in terminals or the software update center?
[23:02] <oerheks> sudo netplan try # would show?
[23:03] <iAmDecim> ahh is there a difference between a live cd and using 'try ubuntu'?
[23:06] <sebsebseb> iAmDecim: uhmm try ubuntu on the live cd/usb is what it it mostly is with the excetion of the installer
[23:06] <sebsebseb> iAmDecim: it's the full system or prett much loading up but into RAM
[23:06] <sebsebseb> or pretty much
[23:06] <sebsebseb> iAmDecim: so you can test things  such as yuor keyboard or wifi and things like that
[23:06] <iAmDecim> sebsebseb: thats what i thought. odd. i can't type in the terminal at all. basically i was going to use ubuntu to install another distro
[23:06] <sebsebseb> before  installing
[23:07] <s_> netplan... ive found it to be 90% baked
[23:07] <sebsebseb> iAmDecim: to install another distro ???
[23:07] <oerheks>  to use ubuntu to install another distro .. interesting..
[23:07] <s_> which isn't bad
[23:07] <iAmDecim> it's fairly common
[23:07]  * oerheks headdesks
[23:07] <s_> are you using ubuntu to install LFS?
[23:07] <iAmDecim> i'm installing gentoo lol
[23:08] <s_> that's the only example i can think of
[23:08] <oerheks> iAmDecim,  please keep this channel free for ubuntu support, i think you are not serious at all
[23:08] <s_> doesn't gentoo have a stage1 installer
[23:08] <iAmDecim> i'm very serious. was checking to see if anyone had heard of a case where you can't type in the terminal. i've definitely been able to in the pass
[23:09] <iAmDecim> i'll work it out. Ubuntu is fine. I just have a special use case for this install.
[23:11] <sarnold> iAmDecim: oh interesting; could you type for a litlte while and then it stopped working? or something else?
[23:11] <iAmDecim> sarnold:well no if i search for an application, etc i can type perfectly fine. but once in the terminal it's dead. just a blinking cursor
[23:11] <iAmDecim> https://imgur.com/a/x5w7knB their response was hilarious
[23:12] <oerheks> not going to click that.. please, are you done?
[23:12] <sarnold> iAmDecim: ahhh, so not the console, but a terminal within the desktop?
[23:12] <iAmDecim> sarnold:correct
[23:13] <iAmDecim> and ^ wrong chat.  but thats what I get
[23:14] <sarnold> iAmDecim: wow, that's crazy. I don't even know what piece I'd try to break to make that happen. :)
[23:15] <iAmDecim> sarnold: =) oops on me
[23:16] <dispo> .wc
[23:21] <iAmDecim> and now it works....logged out and back in. thats odd
[23:21] <iAmDecim> ok, back to sanity. sorry guys
[23:22] <sarnold> iAmDecim: sheesh. I'm glad it's working but I'm never happy with things that fix without an obvious reason why :)
[23:23] <iAmDecim> sarnold: yeah...i'm going to google more into that later. that's a weird bug, as if something weren't 'set' when initially starting up. and again my keyboard worked when searching for apps to open.
[23:25] <pukilo> hi
[23:26] <pukilo> ubuntu vs debian
[23:26] <pukilo> ??
[23:26] <iAmDecim> use case?
[23:26] <pukilo> stability?
[23:26] <pukilo> safety
[23:26] <pukilo> speed
[23:27] <oerheks> pukilo, what answer do you want?
[23:27] <pukilo> debian
[23:27] <pukilo> not joking , whats the difference ?
[23:28] <oerheks> !debian
[23:28] <oerheks> the founder of debian is dead, that is all
[23:28] <sarnold> :~(
[23:28] <pukilo> omg what happened to him or her
[23:29] <sarnold> pukilo: debian may be better for you if you want to mix and match the pieces; ubuntu may be better for you if you just want something to work and don't care much about how it works
[23:29] <sarnold> pukilo: eg debian prefers systemd, but you can use sysv-init or runit or whatever you like in its place if you want
[23:30] <oerheks> we ave snaps \0/
[23:30] <pukilo> i have installed ubuntu on vbox , but it crashes many times after update ?
[23:30] <kenperkins> so what's the right way to see extended interface info?
[23:30] <sarnold> pukilo: after debian voted to prefer systemd, ubuntu followed suit, but made it mandatory -- if you're using ubuntu, then the onyl supported process supervisor on new releases is systemd
[23:31] <oerheks> kenperkins, ifconfig
[23:31] <kenperkins> sorry, that comes in the box with server (no ifconfig anymore)
[23:33] <Bashing-om> kenperkins: ' ip -s link ' ? depends a lot on the particular info that you seek.
[23:34] <kenperkins> for example, on desktop you can run `nmcli c show <name>`
[23:35] <kenperkins> but there's no netmanager on server
[23:35] <DalekSec> oerheks: snapd is in Debian too. :>
[23:35] <kenperkins> but that shows all the DHCP4 options (as an example)
[23:36] <Bashing-om> kenperkins: " ip link show dev <enp1s9> " ?
[23:36] <kenperkins> that's pretty light on details by comparison
[23:38] <Bashing-om> kenperkins: See: https://www.linuxnix.com/linux-ip-command-explained-with-examples/ .
[23:39] <kenperkins> at least based on those examples, `ip` doesn't have the ability to show details like all oft he dhcp options received
[23:49] <kolaman> HI All, is upgrade to 20.04 LTS (from 18.04) available now. while running do-relase-upgrade still can't see any
[23:49] <kolaman> getting There is no development version of an LTS available.
[23:50] <kenperkins> at least found some Bashing-om: netplan ip leases enp1s0
[23:52] <sebsebseb> kenperkins: put the -d at the end of the command
[23:52] <sebsebseb> kolaman:
[23:52] <sebsebseb> kolaman: you need the -d currently
[23:53] <kenperkins> oh, even better, thanks sebsebseb
[23:54] <sebsebseb> kenperkins: not you
[23:54] <sebsebseb> kenperkins: I messaged you by mistake
[23:54] <kenperkins> well, -d helped me too
[23:54] <kenperkins> actually no it didn't
[23:54] <kenperkins> :facepalm:
[23:55] <sebsebseb> kenperkins: lol
[23:55] <kolaman> ses1984, -d will that not take me to development release rather 20.04 and in future I'll not be receiving lts updates ?
[23:56] <kolaman> sebsebseb,
[23:56] <sebsebseb> kolaman: no 20.04 is so new and it's not got it's 20.04.1 out yet
[23:56] <sebsebseb> so they  keep the -d for now
[23:56] <sebsebseb> kolaman: so using the -d is currently the way to upgrade form 19.10
[23:57] <kolaman> sebsebseb, I'm on 18.04 (not 19.10)
[23:57] <sebsebseb> kolaman: I think for 18.04 as well
[23:57] <sebsebseb> !upgrade
[23:57] <sebsebseb> kolaman: in 18.04 it will only show as a proper lts upgrade once the point release is out
[23:57] <sebsebseb> kolaman: just released is for early adopters
[23:57] <sebsebseb> kolaman: they find some more bugs or find out about them in this first month or so, then do a point release
[23:58] <kolaman> So that means using -d will take me to 20.04 and in future I'll be on LTS and will be getting all LTS upgrades in future and will not be moved to 21.10 etc . .
[23:58] <SJudge> Can someone please guide me to some documentation on how to upgrade Ubuntu Server using an ISO image rather than downloading the upgrade files from the repos?
[23:58] <sebsebseb> kolaman: yep you will get LTS updates,  it can't just upgrade you to 20.10 unless you told it to, by upgrading to a non lts as well
[23:59] <kolaman> Great sebsebseb thanks
[23:59] <sebsebseb> SJudge: uh ISO means clean install
[23:59] <RawrUpgrade> Greetings! Very simple problem I'm hoping might not be rare or hard to fix. Upgrading to 20.04 from 19.10. Software Updater got clear to the end, then came up with error message "Could not install the upgrades -- The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusual state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[23:59] <sebsebseb> SJudge: as far as I know for server it still means calean install
[23:59] <tripelb> OK HP ProBook with 18.04. two versions of 19.10 livecd, one produced on the HP one elsewhere are reported as no boot media. BIT.. a mint USB I made a while ago works fine ie boots. Has anyone got any ideas? ( I was glad to find it was not the HP bios and etc with the complex MS protections of secure boot et al)


[12:00] <ddaa> Hello
[12:00] <_thumper_> morning
[12:01] <ddaa> looks like some of the .au tribe is out
[12:01] <_thumper_> yeah
[12:01] <_thumper_> speak of the devil
[12:01] <mpool> hi
[12:01] <mpool> welcome!
[12:01] <ddaa> okay, only lifeless missing can start
[12:01] <ddaa> MEETING STARTS
[12:01] <mpool> lifeless is excused, he worked yesterday and said he might miss this
[12:01] <ddaa> == Agenda ==
[12:02] <ddaa> Next meeting 2006-10-09, 10:00-10:45 UTC.
[12:02] <ddaa> SteveA, _thumper_ and ddaa will be on a sprint in London.
[12:02] <ddaa>  * roll call
[12:02] <ddaa>  * production status
[12:02] <ddaa>  * release finder
[12:02] <ddaa>  * Python import
[12:02] <ddaa>  * strategic plan
[12:02] <ddaa>  * bzr-lp features
[12:02] <ddaa>  * interesting bzr list threads
[12:02] <ddaa>  * advertising
[12:02] <ddaa>  * 1.0 targets
[12:02] <ddaa>  * highlighted bugs
[12:02] <ddaa>  * any other business
[12:02] <ddaa> If you wish to change the time of the meeting or add/remove agenda items, say "bzzzt!".
[12:02] <ddaa> If we are short on time, the "any other business" item will be automatically, dropped. So if you ''want'' to discuss something more, speak up now.
[12:02] <ddaa> I want to go back working on cscvs, so I plan to finish this meeting on time. No digressions today, please.
[12:02] <ddaa> == Roll call ==
[12:02] <ddaa> No excuse was given.
[12:02] <ddaa> mpool said: mpool: lifeless is excused, he worked yesterday and said he might miss this
[12:02] <spiv> I'm here.
[12:02] <mpool> john's arriving early tomorrow so i'd like to keep this short if possible
[12:02] <ddaa> Anyway lifeless' attendance at this meeting is optional
[12:02] <mpool> here
[12:02] <_thumper_> here
[12:02] <jamesh> here
[12:02] <SteveA> hi
[12:03] <ddaa> okay, everybody here
[12:03] <ddaa> everybody happy with agenda
[12:03] <ddaa> roll it!
[12:03] <ddaa> == Prodution status ==
[12:03] <ddaa> Nothing new to report on production.
[12:03] <ddaa> Well, importd rollout when okay, with only a couple of band-aid fixes
[12:04] <ddaa> which mere merged as trivial end of last week
[12:04] <ddaa> == Product release finder ==
[12:04] <ddaa>  * jamesh: report on PRF progress.
[12:04] <SteveA> what was the nature of the band-aid fies?
[12:05] <jamesh> I've got a branch up for review that fixes the remaining problems that need to be fixed before rollout
[12:05] <ddaa> SteveA: needed to restore some importd file which is actually imported by buildbot, and needed for what we do
[12:05] <jamesh> It is in my "jamesh/launchpad/bug-50569" branch, along with some other ProductSeries cleanups
[12:05] <jamesh> so hopefully we can turn it on after next rollout
[12:06] <ddaa> SteveA: and needed to tweak a method so the new source tree upload/download system does no cause a failure when the botslave data has been cleared out.
[12:07] <ddaa> jamesh: ack good... I'm itching to ask who's going to be responsible for this code once it is landed, but I think it would be off-topic for the meeting, so I'm not asking
[12:07] <ddaa> == Python import ==
[12:07] <ddaa>  * ddaa: status of Python blocker cscvs bug
[12:07] <ddaa>  * jamesh: bzr-0.11 fixage for launchpad and cscvs
[12:07] <jamesh> lifeless was merging this today.
[12:08] <ddaa> I'm hacking on cscvs like the end of the world is coming, so I can actually have the new logic for svn changeset working by the end of the week
[12:08] <jamesh> I am not sure how that is going
[12:08] <lifeless> *is* metging this
[12:09] <jamesh> lifeless: okay.  So barring any test failures we should have new bzr to play with
[12:09] <ddaa> lifeless: thank you for the love
[12:09] <ddaa> action: jamesh fix unexpected test failures ;)
[12:09] <ddaa> of course, there won't be any
[12:10] <ddaa> == strategic plan ==
[12:10] <ddaa>  * mpool owns that agenda item
[12:10] <jamesh> are you saying they would be expected test failures?
[12:10] <mpool> ddaa: thanks, i have comments from everyone, not all are integrated yet
[12:10] <mpool> but it's basically ticked off, you can remove the item
[12:10] <ddaa> mpool: ack
[12:10] <ddaa> jamesh: ya trying to cscvsfuse me
[12:11] <ddaa> == bzr-lp features ==
[12:11] <ddaa>  * mpool: report on bzr-lp features
[12:11] <ddaa> what's hot, what's next, what's cold, what's out without love?
[12:12] <mpool> well let's hear from everyone working on bzr-lp features, *quickly*?
[12:12] <mpool> jamesh? spiv?
[12:13] <SteveA> I'm interested in the latest on the smartserver and supermirror application of it
[12:13] <SteveA> and getting the smartserver running on devpad for launchpad developers to use
[12:13] <ddaa> SteveA: later this meeting
[12:13] <spiv> I'm working on smart server over HTTP -- the basic code in bzr has been written.
[12:13] <SteveA> and whether anything's happening about overlay repositories (sometime later)
[12:14] <jamesh> I merged the .bzr dir stuff into rocketfuel today, so tomorrow "bzr branch https://staging.launchpad.net/products/bzr" should do something sensible
[12:14] <spiv> I'm now looking at writing a WSGI application for it, so it can actually be deployed.
[12:15] <ddaa> moving on
[12:15] <ddaa> == Interesting bzr list threads ==
[12:15] <ddaa> Do you guys have keywords for outstanding bzr threads from last week?
[12:15] <ddaa> I'm hopelessly behind bzr mail again, so pointers would be greatly appreciated
[12:15] <mpool> ddaa, remind me why this topic is in the meeting?
[12:16] <SteveA> so, david would like to be able to keep up with bzr goings-on
[12:17] <SteveA> but has not the time to keep up with the mailing list
[12:17] <ddaa> it is a suggestion from SteveA to use you guys collectively as a replacement for the not-yet-here bzr community guy and help folks like me who need to stay up to date with the bzr ML but cannot get around to.
[12:17] <SteveA> various attendees at this meeting do keep up with the mailing list
[12:17] <SteveA> so, the idea is that david can be given pointers to topics that are pertinent to him that arise
[12:17] <mpool> nice idea, but it doesn't seem to catch a lot of content
[12:17] <ddaa> *nod*
[12:17] <SteveA> does anyone do a bzr traffic kind of thing?
[12:17] <mpool> not at the moment
[12:18] <ddaa> Nope
[12:18] <SteveA> that was james b's job at one time
[12:18] <mpool> it would be nice, but, again, it takes time
[12:18] <mpool> rather than doing it on irc i think we should either
[12:18] <mpool> (A) actually do a traffic summary or
[12:18] <ddaa> We need a trafficker in the bazaar, we!
[12:18] <mpool> (B) just forward interesting threads to ddaa or some internal list
[12:18] <mpool> (B) is cheaper
[12:19] <SteveA> if something is relevant to david, it's probably relevant to launchpad.  so I'd encourage bzr people to point out such threads on the launchpad list
[12:19] <SteveA> or even launchpad-users
[12:19] <SteveA> and get some cross launchpad-bzr interest going
[12:19] <mpool> OK
[12:19] <mpool> i like when you've [steve]  done that on related topics in the past
[12:19] <ddaa> launchpad-users sounds a good idea it first
[12:20] <mpool> ok, depending on whether it's a user or developer question
[12:20] <ddaa> until people start complaining, then we can move it to launchpad@
[12:20] <SteveA> ok, that's an action point for people who read the bzr list
[12:20] <mpool> lp-users seems mainly concerned with "send me cdsss!!"
[12:20] <SteveA> who here reads the bzr list?
[12:20] <mpool> me, lifeless, spiv, maybe jamesh?
[12:20] <spiv> FSVO "read" :)
[12:20] <SteveA> a current target for the launchpad team is to increase useful traffic on launchpad-users
[12:20] <mpool> ok, so we all know something about what lp devs need to know
[12:20] <mpool> if you see something, forward it
[12:21] <SteveA> better than forwarding
[12:21] <jamesh> I read it occasionally.  I certainly don't read all messages
[12:21] <mpool> SteveA: or to lp if it's something about internals that might affect lp users
[12:21] <SteveA> send a proper brief mail
[12:21] <SteveA> with a summary of what it is and why it is important to launchpad
[12:21] <SteveA> this doesn't take long
[12:21] <mpool> right, if you do forward at least put on a summary
[12:21] <mpool> OK, great
[12:21] <SteveA> and vastly increases the usefulness of the pointer to readers
[12:21] <mpool> resolved
[12:21] <ddaa> let's see how it goes next week, moving on
[12:21] <mpool> let's leave this item on the agenda (new title) as a reminder to get in the habit
[12:21] <mpool> move on
[12:22] <SteveA> (particularly to people who subscribe to the launchpad-users list who are not here today)
[12:22] <ddaa> == Advertising ==
[12:22] <ddaa>  * spiv: post draft to LP mailing list for comments.
[12:22] <spiv> D'oh.
[12:22] <spiv> I haven't done that.  I just re-read it, though, and I think I'll Just Post It(TM).
[12:22] <spiv> (i.e. to my blog)
[12:23] <ddaa> as you want, but feel free to ask for review
[12:23] <lifeless> I dont read all the messages
[12:23] <lifeless> its a busy list
[12:23] <ddaa> flascoste gave very useful comments to me in the past
[12:23] <lifeless> I certainly read all the threads enough to decide to finish the thread or not
[12:23] <ddaa> moving on
[12:23] <ddaa> == 1.0 targets ==
[12:23] <ddaa> supermirror-smart-server: spiv: still looking on track for october 8th? What did you work on recently, what is still todo?
[12:23] <ddaa> importd-bzr-native: ddaa: progress of Arch removal and dists cleanup. Next: slice out HCT to remove pybaz dependency.
[12:23] <ddaa> bzr-roundtrip-svn: not for 1.0
[12:23] <ddaa>  * mpool: read up/tick off svn roundtripping discussion
[12:24] <ddaa> mpool: since I have no read the ML recently, I have no idea if anything relevent happened recently
[12:25] <ddaa> spiv: in summary, worked on http transport, next wsgi something to integrate into launchpad?
[12:25] <mpool> ddaa, sorry, it hasn't got to the top of my list yet
[12:25] <spiv> ddaa: For anonymous smart serving over HTTP, it looks likely I'll have the code ready or close to, but I'm not sure that I'll be able to get it deployed in that timeframe.
[12:25] <spiv> ddaa: Right.
[12:25] <ddaa> spiv: talk with SteveA and/or kiko about getting a delay
[12:26] <lifeless> ddaa: yeah, the http transport needed a large refactor of the code base, more than expected
[12:26] <lifeless> but thats over with
[12:26] <ddaa> nice to hear
[12:27] <ddaa> kiko said something about telling him about spec that will need some extra time to deliver
[12:27] <ddaa> so you should get that straightened out with him, I think, please keep me in CC
[12:28] <spiv> ddaa: Ok.
[12:28] <SteveA> and please keep the spec metadata in launchpad up to date
[12:28] <SteveA> as that is what we use in conf calls with mark
[12:28] <ddaa> Okay, I think I got my fuzzy
[12:28] <ddaa> my fuzzy point across
[12:29] <SteveA>   importd-bzr-transition, supermirror-smart-server,   bzr-roundtrip-svn
[12:29] <SteveA> on https://features.launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/
[12:29] <SteveA> david and andrew, please ensure the metadata is up to date
[12:29] <ddaa> == Highlighted bugs ==
[12:29] <ddaa>  * Related to +source
[12:29] <ddaa>    * bug 2649: CVS branch details should not be editable or displayed. (https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/2649)
[12:29] <ddaa>    * bug 46240: posting $series/+source yields a confusing warning (https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/46240)
[12:29] <ddaa>    * bug 50569: the product series page does not allow entering source or ftp details for projects without SVN or VCS (https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/50569)
[12:29] <ddaa>  * bug: 48813: Efficiently mirroring sftp hosted branches with minimal latency (https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/48813)
[12:29] <ddaa>  * bug: 58889: Merged and abandoned branch should not appear in main branch listings (https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/58889)
[12:29] <ddaa> Bonus bug: sabdfl asked for the ability to link a spec to a branch.
[12:29] <spiv> SteveA: Ok.
[12:29] <ddaa> bug 46240 fixcommitted last week
[12:30] <ddaa> bug 50569 in-progress by jamesh
[12:30] <ddaa> along with a ton a refactoring and cleanups for +source
[12:30] <jamesh> because of the refactoring, bug 2649 should probably wait for my branch to land
[12:30] <lifeless> ddaa: cscvs failure
[12:30] <lifeless> ERROR: testCommitWithAutomaticLogFiller (cscvs.tests.test_bzr.TestBzrWorkingTreeCommit)
[12:31] <lifeless> ERROR: testCommitWithAutomaticLog (cscvs.tests.test_bzr.TestBzrWorkingTreeCommit)
[12:31] <lifeless> jamesh: ^
[12:31] <ddaa> *sigh*
[12:31] <ddaa> context: ^^ that is status of bzr-0.11 landing on rocketfuel
[12:31] <lifeless> thats with vanilla 0.11, bzrtools removed, lp 0.11 compat branc merged and cscvs compat branch merged
[12:32] <jamesh> lifeless: weird.  I'll try with 0.11 final
[12:32] <ddaa> SteveA: I think the sabdfl bonus bug will be a good think to get _thumper_ started on next week
[12:33] <ddaa> gets to touch all the webapp stack, and not really complicated or risky
[12:33] <SteveA> ok
[12:33] <_thumper_> sounds good
[12:34] <ddaa> Quite unusually, we are ahead of time.
[12:34] <mpool> keep it up!
[12:34] <ddaa> == Any other business? ==
[12:34] <ddaa> So, I'll wait for 10 minutes there ;)
[12:35] <lifeless> jamesh: details :
[12:35] <lifeless> AssertionError: {'converted-by': 'launchpad.net', 'cscvs-id': 'MAIN.1', 'branch-nick': 'bzr_branch'} != {'converted-by': 'launchpad.net', 'cscvs-id': 'MAIN.1'}
[12:35] <lifeless> AssertionError: {'converted-by': 'launchpad.net', 'cscvs-defaultfiller': '<IP_ADDRESS> 1.1 file_name', 'cscvs-id': 'MAIN.1', 'branch-nick': 'bzr_branch'} != {'converted-by': 'launchpad.net', 'cscvs-defaultfiller': '<IP_ADDRESS> 1.1 file_name', 'cscvs-id': 'MAIN.1'}
[12:35] <jamesh> yeah.  I see it
[12:35] <_thumper_> I did hit two problems with utilities/launchpad-database-setup
[12:35] <mpool> spiv: jameinel will be at my house tomorrow
[12:35] <SteveA> so, I asked earlier
[12:35] <spiv> mpool: Cool.  I'd be happy to join you.
[12:35] <ddaa> So, I'm done for the meeting.
[12:35] <ddaa> <insert random rant here about cscvs>
[12:36] <SteveA> about whether anything will happen about overlay repositories or similar thing
[12:36] <spiv> Right.
[12:36] <lifeless> there has been no serious discussion about it on list
[12:36] <SteveA> I'd also like to know about supermirror/smartserver stuff in more detail than "delayed"
[12:36] <SteveA> like, delayed by how much
[12:37] <lifeless> unless its a mark-mandated feature or some such, I'd say its way off. Myself, I'm not convinced its even a feature rather than a trap.
[12:37] <mpool> lifeless: take it you're refering to overlay repos, not the smart server?
[12:37] <lifeless> right
[12:37] <lifeless> :)
[12:37] <mpool> :-)
[12:37] <mpool> phew
[12:38] <ddaa> mpool: thanks for the clarification :)
[12:38] <SteveA> it feels silly to me to be storing and transporting revisions to the server we use many times more than necessary.  it's a problem I think it important to be fixed for other projects that work as launchpad does, assuming there are/will be any
[12:38] <SteveA> the problem can be fixed in many different ways, I'm sure
[12:38] <mpool> SteveA: i think the motivation for it is definitely good
[12:38] <mpool> i think i suggested (or at least thought :-) that you should make a braindump spec
[12:39] <SteveA> well
[12:39] <mpool> that will give it at least some lease of life
[12:39] <SteveA> I can describe the problem
[12:39] <jamesh> lifeless: weird.  I thought I'd done a complete run of the test suite.  I'm uploading the fix now
[12:39] <SteveA> but it appears, from lifeless's comments, that I'm not qualified to propose a solution
[12:39] <mpool> well
[12:39] <mpool> it's a valid identification of a problem
[12:39] <ddaa> actually...
[12:39] <lifeless> this is a wicked problem space
[12:39] <mpool> i don't think we should run into the design of the solution in this meeting :)
[12:39] <mpool> but we can talk about it this week with john
[12:40] <lifeless> we tend to evaluate many proposals before finding a good balance
[12:40] <ddaa> thinking of it, I think it's close to congruent to the smart server
[12:40] <lifeless> having a clear statement of the problem is very useful to guide those evaluations
[12:40] <mpool> ddaa: it's definitely related
[12:40] <SteveA> mpool: a good description of the problem is on the mailing list
[12:40] <mpool> SteveA: so i guess you're mainly concerned at this point that it not just be dropped/ignored?
[12:40] <SteveA> and john did answer the email
[12:40] <SteveA> do you want me to do something else with it?
[12:40] <mpool> SteveA: yes, that's what i'm looking at
[12:40] <ddaa> unless convinced otherwise, I'll believe that SteveA wants a smart server with ACL
[12:40] <mpool> i read it too
[12:41] <mpool> no, i'll paste it into the spec tracker
[12:41] <mpool> ddaa: what does this have to do with acls?
[12:41] <spiv> ddaa: that's one possible solution, but I don't think it's the only one or necessarily the obviously correctly one.
[12:41] <ddaa> I mean, access control
[12:41] <mpool> SteveA:  the thread "Overlay Repositories"?
[12:41] <ddaa> okay, I'm just talking out of my ass
[12:41] <mpool> SteveA: is that an ok outcome for you, for hte moment?
[12:42] <SteveA> more or less I'm concerned with it not being dropped.  I want to start getting people to look at bzr for their VCS system, and issues like this make people feel like something is clumsily designed, even when that's not the case
[12:42] <SteveA> because it takes an insider to see the design trade-offs or the unfinished work
[12:42] <SteveA> I'm happy with that outcome.  thanks
[12:43] <ddaa> Well...
[12:43] <spiv> SteveA: Also, you wanted to discuss launchpad developers testing the smart server on devpad?
[12:43] <SteveA> spiv: thanks.  yes, that seemed like a good way to get some testing out of the system.
[12:44] <spiv> We should get bzr 0.11 installed on devpad.
[12:44] <ddaa> spiv: yeah, gimme smart server, I give 50 dinars!
[12:44] <SteveA> mpool: also, did you ask etienne about packaging bzr-pqm ?
[12:44] <SteveA> or rather, whatever the plugin for pam-submit is called
[12:44] <mpool> sorry, no
[12:45] <jamesh> bzr-pqm is the right name
[12:45] <spiv> (it's possible to get people using it without installing it system-wide, but it'll be unnecessarily complex)
[12:45] <ddaa> Meeting nominally closed. Please go on.
[12:45] <SteveA> thanks ddaa, for a swift meeting
[12:45] <SteveA> spiv: when bzr 0.11 is packaged, we can get it installed on devpad
[12:46] <spiv> There's a package at http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs/ -- is that sufficiently good?
[12:46] <SteveA> if it is for dapper, yes
[12:47] <SteveA> do we also need to get launchpad developers to use 0.11 ?
[12:47] <SteveA> if so, "scratchy" should be updated
[12:47] <spiv> The package from there is working on my dapper system.
[12:48] <spiv> Once 0.11 is installed on devpad, I'll be very happy to mail the launchpad list with details of how to test it and what to expect.
[12:48] <SteveA> well
[12:48] <SteveA> we have a way to get launchpad developers to use it
[12:48] <mpool> SteveA: apparently 'scratchy' split into different directories to accomodate edgy
[12:48] <SteveA> that is, we put it in that "scratchy" apt repository
[12:49] <SteveA> I don't want to give launchpad developers a change to their sources.list without good cause
[12:49] <ddaa> SteveA: I'd love if we could get some traction on branch-notification-email too. It's more complicated, but not terribly so, so maybe we could put that on the sprint too?
[12:49] <SteveA> and I think the "scratchy" thing should be kept up to date with what we want launchpad developers to be using
[12:49] <SteveA> ddaa: sure
[12:49] <ddaa> especially since having you handy to point to the right infrastructure bits needed
[12:50] <SteveA> ddaa: we'll see how that goes.  I added it to the agenda
[12:50] <mpool> SteveA: we should probably just make a different repository for lp developers on edgy
[12:50] <lifeless> I thought scratchy was mant to be empty when the current release was in the distro ?
[12:50] <ddaa> SteveA: where's the agenda? Here's what I propose: hiding merged/abandoned branthes by default, branch-spec listing, branch-notification email.
[12:50] <SteveA> mpool: that's fine.  My concern is if we set up a repository, tell launchpad people to use it, and then forget about it
[12:51] <lifeless> mpool: thats what the subdirs in scratchy are
[12:51] <SteveA> it needs to be something that is maintained, so that we're not changing people's config
[12:51] <lifeless> mpool: scratchy-for-edgy, scratchy-for-dapper
[12:51] <SteveA> and so that we don't roll back versions for people
[12:52] <lifeless> anyhow, you should go sleep, as I. early morning tomorrow.
[12:52] <SteveA> ddaa: the draft agenda is in a tomboy note on my laptop.
[12:52] <ddaa> s/branch-spec listing/branch-spec linking/
[12:52] <SteveA> ddaa: bring other things with you to the meeting and we'll set a firm agenda as the first thing in london
[12:53] <mpool> SteveA: would it be too intrusive to get them to update their apt-sources once to the new url?
[12:53] <jamesh> lifeless: I've fixed the cscvs test failure, so the merge should go through fine next time
[12:53] <lifeless> jamesh: I'll try again
[12:53] <lifeless> jamesh: tomorrow, theres a merge pending
[12:54] <lifeless> night all
[12:54] <jamesh> thanks.
[12:54] <SteveA> mpool: if we have a new URL, I want it to be one that we can put all .debs that launchpad developers need in.
[12:54] <SteveA> that includes the launchpad-dependencies things, and any other special debs they need
[12:54] <SteveA> as well as bzr tests
[12:55] <lifeless> well, thats really something that should be hosted by the support team
[12:55] <ddaa> jamesh: just to be sure
[12:55] <lifeless> rather than being on the bzr website TBH
[12:55] <lifeless> so I propose it be given as a request to Jeff Bailey
[12:55] <ddaa> you fixed the code not to set the branch-nick, right?
[12:55] <SteveA> it should be hosted by the sysadmin team
[12:55] <SteveA> and maintained by the support team
[12:56] <SteveA> with input from the bzr team about what bzr version goes in there
[12:56] <SteveA> then used by the launchpad team
[12:56] <SteveA> team
[12:56] <mpool> OK
[12:56] <mpool> i'll send a mail
[12:56] <mpool> is there any equivalent of x-debbugs-cc for RT?
[12:57] <SteveA> what does that mean?
[12:58] <mpool> any way to subscribe you to the ticket
[12:59] <SteveA> there is in the web interface
[12:59] <SteveA> I don't know about via email
[12:59] <SteveA> both the support people and the sysadmins use RT
[12:59] <SteveA> so they may know
[12:59] <SteveA> and this is kind of a support question :)