[07:07] <md_5> No release party for melbourne :( so sad
[07:09]  * benonsoftware would've set one up if he had the time
[07:11] <md_5> where about are you benonsoftware ?
[07:11] <benonsoftware> md_5: Melbourne
[07:12] <md_5> East/west/north/south
[07:12] <md_5> ;s
[07:12] <benonsoftware> East :P
[07:12] <md_5> same ;s
[07:29] <head_victim> md_5: still time to organise one :)
[07:29] <head_victim> Daniel set one up just today
[07:29] <md_5> heh. no
[07:29] <md_5> ;p
[07:30] <head_victim> Better yet, come up to Brisbane to share ours :D
[07:30] <md_5> brisbane gets all the ubuntu fun.
[07:31] <head_victim> We're lucky to have multiple people to share the organising duties.
[07:32] <head_victim> Cary, James, Chris, myself and others I've probably forgotten names of (sorry!) all pitching in makes them all so easy.
[08:08] <head_victim> Seems all the cool kids are already over in #ubuntu-release-party
[08:10] <head_victim> It is kinda interesting to see the number of Aussies in there that perhaps don't even know we're here
[08:11] <ikt> lol
[08:11] <benonsoftware> head_victim: I know, I found a coupple Aussies in #ubuntu-offtopic yesterday
[08:11] <ikt> that's the same problem I had with ubuntu forums
[08:11] <ikt> so many aussies, tried to herd them towards us :(
[08:11] <head_victim> ikt: yeah pretty much, we need towork on ways to become more obvious.
[08:11] <head_victim> benonsoftware: I hope you pointed them here subtly :)
[08:12] <benonsoftware> head_victim: No, I might next time :P
[08:12] <head_victim> Hah, about as subtle as a brick to the face ;)
[08:12] <benonsoftware> lol
[08:12] <ikt> that's how we do things in straylia
[08:12] <benonsoftware> So much lag :/
[08:13] <ikt> i'm hoping it's released in the next hour or so :s
[08:13] <ikt> download from the data centre next to me
[08:13] <ikt> put it onto the data centre in france and watch the upload speeds soar
[08:13] <benonsoftware> I have to wait to download it :(
[08:13] <head_victim> ikt: hah good luck ;)
[08:13] <ikt> lol
[08:13] <head_victim> I haven't set up my repo since the installfest :/
[08:14] <ikt> benonsoftware, feel your pain, deal with customers on 3g all the time :(
[08:14] <head_victim> I can see it's going to be a hundred or two gb to update it :/
[08:14]  * benonsoftware has to wait for APC to release it on their cover DVD
[08:14] <sagaci> any sooper secret iso links yet?
[08:15] <sagaci> 8:15 UTC time
[08:15] <Befficient> ikt mind I ask where you work?
[08:16] <benonsoftware> Err, I am now hating the myschools website
[08:16] <head_victim> benonsoftware: only now?
[08:16] <head_victim> sagaci: ready to hit up aarnet?
[08:16] <sagaci> yeah, just going to get the desktop and server of ubuntu and lu and ku
[08:16] <benonsoftware> head_victim: What? Me only hating the myschools website now?
[08:17] <sagaci> 64-bits worth
[08:17] <head_victim> sagaci: they do Lu on aarnet now?
[08:17] <sagaci> no
[08:17] <head_victim> benonsoftware: yeah, I thought most people disliked it from the start.
[08:17] <sagaci> but I have enough quota
[08:17] <head_victim> I can see jellyware getting some requests lined up over the next couple of days.
[08:17] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Yeah, this is the 2nd time I've used it, first time was when it was released
[08:18] <ikt> Befficient, internode
[08:18] <Befficient> ikt, Thought so
[08:18] <Befficient> I guessed either ii or Node.
[08:18] <Befficient> Well, same thing now lol
[08:18] <ikt> lol :(
[08:18] <sagaci> official store cd's preorder goes out on the 7th MAY
[08:19] <ikt> think I might do overtime tonight
[08:19] <sagaci> May*
[08:19] <Befficient> Yah ikt I feel the pain
[08:19]  * benonsoftware loves WeeChat
[08:19] <Befficient> I know certain people say that Node will stay the same, but I know for a fact they won't
[08:19] <head_victim> sagaci: the loco has already got it's order in :) Just hope we find ways of distributing them well
[08:19] <sagaci> I bought a pack of 20 along with keyring, and two shirts
[08:19] <Befficient> Node will change
[08:19] <Befficient> It's the way iiNet works
[08:20] <Befficient> Always has been
[08:20] <sagaci> it's my way of spreading, just "donating" $20 and getting the proper thing
[08:20] <sagaci> "proper" thing being a cardboard CD case
[08:20] <Befficient> Everyone I know who works / worked at at WestNet etc, they all hate iiNet.
[08:20]  * benonsoftware has rang up Internode a couple times
[08:20] <Befficient> Their systems etc
[08:20] <benonsoftware> I think it's the only ISP that is cheap
[08:21] <sagaci> internode isn't cheap !
[08:21] <head_victim> sagaci: yep, everytime I felt like donating I did a store order. Their bags are pretty good
[08:21] <sagaci> not nowadays
[08:21] <Befficient> sagaci, Internode is good
[08:21] <sagaci> true
[08:21] <Befficient> The network is excellent
[08:21] <Befficient> iinet's isn't
[08:21] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Cheap compared to what I pay for
[08:21] <sagaci> and their stance on filtering is awesome
[08:22] <Befficient> The problem with Node now is that iiNet will touch and destroy what Internode was
[08:22] <Befficient> Whether now or later
[08:23] <Befficient> Just look at WestNet :)
[08:23] <Befficient> And the others
[08:24] <ikt> Befficient, depends, has been saying since day 1 that we won't, he really wants the two to stay separate, as iinet is targetting the general population, whereas node are trying to target the geekier side of things
[08:24]  * head_victim is a Telstra fanboy
[08:24] <ikt> simon*
[08:24] <ikt> you should be ashamed head_victim !
[08:25] <head_victim> Meh, I can't get what I'm on anywhere else and it's been good to me so why not I say :)
[08:25]  * benonsoftware hits head_victim
[08:25] <Befficient> ikt, Well... iiNet has done it before, where the ISP they aquired "wouldn't change" etc, and later on they are just part of ii now
[08:25] <Befficient> However....
[08:26] <Befficient> I do have faith in Mr Hackett.
[08:26] <Befficient> Mr ii, however.....
[08:27] <Befficient> Mr ii is very cunning
[08:27] <ikt> he is
[08:27] <ikt> also a funny bloke
[08:27] <sagaci> he's uses macs
[08:28] <ikt> compared westnet to internode
[08:28] <sagaci> wow, I screwed that
[08:28] <ikt> average westnet customer is mid40's
[08:28] <ikt> lives in the sticks
[08:28] <Befficient> One of the big things with ii that I and others have is that their pipes etc, aren't really that good.
[08:28] <Befficient> Node's are
[08:28] <Befficient> ii's aren't, yet ii charges a lot for an ISP that isn't that good
[08:29] <chu> Hey all.
[08:29] <benonsoftware> head_victim: The other Aussie
[08:29] <head_victim> Evening chu
[08:29] <Befficient> Half the problem the WestNet guys have is that ii got Westnet to use all of ii's routing and systems.... and ahh.... well they aren't really good
[08:29] <chu> elky: Still in #ubuntu-au! You *must*, in some sense, still consider yourself an Aussie! <3
[08:30] <Befficient> Hi chu
[08:30] <chu> Hey Befficient, head_victim
[08:31] <head_victim> chu: once an Aussie, always an Aussie
[08:31] <chu> Where are we all located? What is the relationship to ubuntu? Apart from elky/benonsoftware, not sure I have ever spoken to some of you guys.
[08:31] <chu> Good to see a few active Aussies though.
[08:31]  * head_victim is in Brisbane
[08:31] <benonsoftware> :)
[08:32] <chu> Nice, Brisbane :)
[08:32]  * benonsoftware feels weired searching song lyrics up :P
[08:32] <Befficient> So... any guess's on when LTS will release?
[08:32] <head_victim> Befficient: I reckon sometime in the next 24 hours would be about right
[08:32] <Befficient> lol
[08:32] <chu> I thought it would be today?
[08:32] <chu> I'm so far out of the loop it's not funny.
[08:32] <Befficient> Well it's only just after 9:30am UTC
[08:33] <Befficient> Mu guess is..... 3PM?
[08:33] <Befficient> UTC
[08:33] <Befficient> *UCT
[08:33] <head_victim> Trying so hard not to troll the release-party channel
[08:33] <chu> Haha
[08:33] <chu> I should join #ubuntu-release-party!
[08:33] <Befficient> Ahh they arne't that bad
[08:34] <benonsoftware> +1
[08:35] <sagaci> should be in the early hours of our friday morning
[08:36] <chu> 6 hours+?
[08:36] <chu> (as a lower bound)
[08:36] <sagaci> well 10.10 was "released" at 10:10 UTC
[08:37] <chu> Good point.
[08:37] <head_victim> Ok, I'm sick as a dog and need to be awake at 3am. I'll see some of you then, otherwise I'll catch you all around
[08:37] <chu> 12:04 UTC
[08:37] <head_victim> Make sure you get to your local release party if there is one.
[08:37] <benonsoftware> See ya head_victim
[08:37] <chu> I don't think we have release parties here.
[08:37] <benonsoftware> and get better!
[08:37] <chu> But, see you later.
[08:38] <sagaci> wonder how the Adelaide release party is goin
[08:38] <head_victim> chu: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au for all the details of upcoming events
[09:07] <ikt> thinking about what to do after 12.04 is released
[09:07] <ikt> already running it on a bunch of computers
[09:08] <sagaci> ikt: reinstall?
[09:14] <ikt> hah
[09:26] <ikt> https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntu
[09:31] <ikt> mere hours away??
[09:32] <chu> After 12.04 comes out, it's all about installing a minimal base, setting up stumpwm, emacs and conkeror.
[09:40] <ikt> emac!
[09:41] <ikt> how do you use it, it's so horrible
[09:41]  * ikt starts vi vs emacs war
[09:42] <sagaci> e-mac
[09:43] <chu> ikt: How is it horrible? :x
[09:44] <benonsoftware> lol
[09:44] <sagaci> i prefer vi
[09:44] <sagaci> vim
[09:45] <ikt> vim ftw
[09:45] <ikt> see it even rhymes
[09:45] <benonsoftware> +1
[09:46] <sagaci> ikt, must be good
[09:58] <sagaci> looks to be out
[10:09] <ikt> can't get torrent
[10:09] <ikt> not authorised error
[10:09] <ikt> Tracker: [Failure reason \"Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.\"]
[10:09] <sagaci> ikt, just wget it
[10:10] <ikt> trying to set an upload record though
[10:11] <sagaci> ahhh, release day... no updates available
[10:21]  * md_5 slaps aarnet
[10:23] <sagaci> hmmm, torrent file was legit
[10:39] <sagaci> md_5 aarnet slaps you back
[10:39] <md_5> awe
[10:39] <md_5> They finally fixed the debian sid mirror though
[10:39] <md_5> never replied to my email about it weeks back :(
[10:55] <sagaci> evening jaddi27
[10:56] <jaddi27> hi sagaci
[10:56] <jaddi27> not too long now until precise becomes 12.04
[10:58] <sagaci> jaddi27, it's out
[10:58] <sagaci> I just rebooted into a clean install on my laptop
[10:58] <jaddi27> really? the ubuntu website doesn't show it as out
[10:58] <sagaci> of course it says that :P
[10:58] <jaddi27> i will check aarnet
[10:59] <sagaci> it's out there
[10:59] <jaddi27> yep
[10:59] <jaddi27> so, is 64bit still fine to use?
[11:00] <jaddi27> haven't had any problems with 11.10 64bit, apart from google dart (which is not built for 64bit)
[11:02] <jaddi27> sagaci, do you have a separate home partition to the rest of the install? If so (or if you know about it), is it fine to just wipe the 11.10 on the root partition and replace it with 12.04, keeping all the /home data?
[11:03] <jaddi27> i think it should be, but this is the first time i have upgraded with a separate /home
[11:03] <jaddi27> or would it be fine to just update the current install?
[11:04] <sagaci> you can do it with a separate /home
[11:06] <jaddi27> ok
[11:06] <jaddi27> i presume clean install is better than upgrade?
[11:07] <md_5> yes
[11:08] <jaddi27> md_5, have you updated yet?
[11:08] <md_5> its not on aarnet
[11:08] <md_5> jaddi27 I will tomorrow, using it on my new laptop for the 1st time
[11:08] <md_5> yes it is actually (silly cache)
[11:08] <jaddi27> that sounds good. what laptop is it?
[11:08] <md_5> jaddi27 sagaci     I am waiting for later because there have been re seeds of the imgaes in the past
[11:08] <md_5> jaddi27   xps15z
[11:09] <md_5> I need to disable apic to make it boot (on beta 2 at least)
[11:09] <Befficient> So much Aussie hate :(
[11:09] <md_5> 11.10 required disabling acpi which rendered it unusuable
[11:10] <jaddi27> md_5, should be a good laptop
[11:10] <Befficient> I dislike smearing Ubuntu's good name in hatrid
[11:10] <md_5> jaddi27 yeah I have had it for 5 months already
[11:10] <md_5> just not ubuntu
[11:11] <Befficient> So.... multiarch on Ubuntu is complete?
[11:11] <Befficient> Any like... 64bit packages that are missing vs 32bit?
[11:12] <md_5> yep
[11:12] <md_5> Befficient mind you some asm programs are missing
[11:14] <Befficient> hmmm
[11:14] <Befficient> I generally use 64bit now for all OS
[11:15] <Befficient> Pathscale won't even work on 32bit
[11:15] <Befficient> That I know of
[11:15] <Befficient> <3 that compiler
[11:15] <Befficient> EkoPath
[11:15] <Befficient>  ~40% ++ increase in application performance, simply by using Ekopath
[11:16] <Befficient> My next thing is to try to get WINE compiled using Ekopath :)
[11:16] <md_5> Starting at $1795
[11:17] <md_5> maybe I should add a freenode bnc, I like you guys.
[11:17] <Befficient> Ahh he left :(
[11:18] <Befficient> Well... for what it's worth, Ekopath is now free
[11:18] <Befficient> under GPL
[11:18] <Befficient> At least the nightly is anyway
[11:19] <Befficient> Don't mean to spam, but I'll just leave this link here in case anyone else is interested in Ekopath compiler suite: http://www.pathscale.com/ekopath4-open-source-announcement
[11:26] <Befficient> Umm... I don't want to sound like an idiot, but can someone please explain what "Ubuntu Juju" is? I've read the Ubuntu Juju info page but ?????
[11:47] <jaddi27> d1b, in here
[11:48] <sagaci> it's pretty hectic until the people start downloading
[11:49] <moldor> hey gang - when the final release of 12.04 appears, what';s the best way of updating (I.m running RC2) - apt-get ??
[11:50] <jaddi27> i would have thought for a pre-release version, i would do a clean install
[11:50] <jaddi27> but sagaci might know better
[11:51] <sagaci> it's not officially out but the correct isos are up, if that makes sense
[11:51] <moldor> yeah, trying to avoid that but I guess that makes sense to do a wipe and install.
[11:51] <moldor> sagaci Yes, it does
[11:52] <sagaci> well depends, if you're going to keep the install for years to come a reinstall now is worth your time
[11:52] <moldor> On this laptop I'm hoping to - my daughter has stolen my MBP, and the work lappy is running *shudder* XP !!!
[11:53] <sagaci> XP? seriously?
[11:53] <sagaci> ubuntu is surely a needed upgrade
[11:54] <sagaci> lubuntu is chugging away at 20kB/s download
[11:54] <moldor> I wish... It's a Bank though... Wouldn't be too popular... And I'm running lubuntu too.. Quite snappy
[11:55] <sagaci> I don't like lubuntu for much other than netbooks
[11:55] <moldor> Seems OK on this HP - although I have an ASUS 1000HE that I might put it on too
[11:55] <sagaci> putting it on a desktop is like putting a single couch in a mansion
[11:56] <Millenaire> I bet they have the release anouncement all type up ready to go, ISO's all ready, mirrors are fully synced; but are sitting on the release, watching these chats, trolling us for the lol's
[11:56] <Millenaire> ;)
[11:56] <sagaci> well it's 11:56 UTC
[11:56] <sagaci> so technically ~8mins away
[11:56] <moldor> Wouldn't do it on a desktop - Wonder if I could shoehorn it onto a Cobalt Qube ??
[11:57] <sagaci> s/technically/guesstimatically
[11:57] <Millenaire> In other news, I see Torchlight 2 is now available for pre-order on Steam
[11:58] <moldor> Must take a look... Would look good on the 55"... er, MONITOR...:-)
[11:59] <sagaci> ~4 mins
[12:00] <moldor> sagaci It's up now I think
[12:00] <Millenaire> Nope
[12:00] <Millenaire> No announce, anyway
[12:00] <sagaci> ubuntu.com is up
[12:01] <moldor> This Ubuntu for Android... A product yet or just a concept ?
[12:01] <sagaci> concept
[12:02] <moldor> Damn, I would so sacrifice an Android phone for that - or better still, my iPhone !!
[12:02] <Millenaire> My Samsung Galaxy S II is very... laggy
[12:02] <Millenaire> And slow
[12:02] <Millenaire> :(
[12:03] <Millenaire> The Samsung Wave was better
[12:03] <sagaci> I like the concept but would like to see it refined
[12:03] <moldor> Specs on the S III look nice... I'm waiting for either that or the Galaxy Note
[12:03] <Millenaire> Galaxy Note = win
[12:03] <sagaci> the old show-stopper bug
[12:03] <Millenaire> Cept Internetz on my S II died :(
[12:03] <moldor> Agreed - the UI would have to be radically redesigned to work on a phone - not impossible though... And the current replacement contender is the Note I think.
[12:05] <Millenaire> RELEASE!
[12:05] <Millenaire> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000159.html
[12:05] <sagaci> ya
[12:05] <sagaci> peak hour traffic
[12:05] <Millenaire> Yup
[12:06] <moldor> Gonna have to see how it runs on the old Bondi Blue iMac.
[12:14] <moldor> BTW, know anyone in teh Sydney area that might want a Dell Poweredge 2300 server ?  Couple of Gig of RAM, 3 or 4 x 36Gb drives. Shoud still work, asn't been fired up for abbout 2 years
[12:17] <Millenaire> Ey, now to wait 100 years while accessing the relevant *Buntu pagres
[12:17] <Millenaire> *pages
[12:18] <moldor> yeah, the thruput is rather minimal... Might be a weekend job for teh work network I think
[12:18] <ikt> would be good if we had this many people in here normally :P
[12:22] <moldor> Just found my next Open Source project - http://www.openpilot.org/
[12:24] <jaddi27> sagaci, time to hold a meeting to take advantage of all the people :P
[12:25] <Millenaire> Well, I promise to come in more often :)
[12:25] <Millenaire> 12 years of Linux.... I don't gve back near enough :/
[12:25] <dns53> moldor it does sound like an interesting project
[12:25] <moldor> I also will frequent as much as I can
[12:26] <Millenaire> 12.04 - probably the biggest distro release in history
[12:26] <moldor> dns53: I've wanted a quadcopter for ages... The Mrs doesn't see the point (bloody Windows user !!), but it would be way cool if for nothing more than terrorising her cat !
[12:29] <Millenaire> I think Mr Ballmer should donate a server farm to Canonical for the next Buntu release ;)
[12:29] <Millenaire> A big one
[12:30] <moldor> Or a rack in the new Google data centre....
[12:30] <Millenaire> Mind you, he'd probably want some patent rubbish deal in return
[12:31] <moldor> Millenaire: Or a new wig... or girdle
[12:32] <Millenaire> Think the the Iowa-consumer casr files say it all - public memos / emails from internal MS staff. One of them specifically states that... "Microsoft is only here to help Microsoft"
[12:32] <Millenaire> *case
[12:32] <moldor> Millenaire: Well, they got that right..
[12:32] <Millenaire> Yup
[12:39] <Termana> moldor, with a bit of work you could probably do the Ubuntu for Android thing yourself. Easiest way I would think of is, have an Android phone that outputs HDMI on the USB port (Galaxy Nexus does this for example) set up a chroot on the phone, and have bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Use VNC in Android to access you're chroot X. Not as elegant but you would get the same thing.
[12:39] <Termana> your*
[12:40] <moldor> Termana: Certainly one way of doing it.
[12:45] <moldor> Work tomorrow... Out..
[12:55] <dns53> Termana well that is what it is (from what i can see), an ubuntu chroot set up with the display to output to hdmi
[13:19] <Millenaire> Kubuntu site still down
[13:19] <Millenaire> One would assume that Ubuntu could handle the 12.04 traffic :/
[13:20] <Millenaire> Doesn't take much to figure out that a load of people want this release
[13:20] <Millenaire> Love Ubuntu, but after 16 releases I just thought.......
[14:00] <ikt> yeah same
[14:00] <ikt> Millenaire, but they don't increase the bandwidth I think just because it's burst and for such a short amount of time
[14:00] <ikt> in a few hours it'll be back to normal
[14:02] <ikt> interesting, ubuntu up but kubuntu down
[14:02] <Millenaire> Yeah
[14:03] <ikt> in 2 hours I've uploaded more of ubuntu 12.04 than 11.10 and elementary os in the last 2 months
[14:09] <Millenaire> Question: hid-logitech-dj - does this affect the G700 Wireless Gaming mouse?
[17:25] <airtonix> Termana: galaxy nexus only does video out via hdmi when it detects full screen video decoding
[17:25] <airtonix> i have one with a hdmi dock
[17:26] <airtonix> ergo it's not a software decision to render the output via hdmi, but rather the gpu goes 'oh video decoding... derp engage hdmi'
[17:27] <airtonix> it's possible to use custom firmware to make the output on the phone screen duplicated out through hdmi, but it's really slow
[23:57] <bradm> I wonder where ikt gets the idea that we don't increase bandwith for release.. thats totally wrong, we definately do


[16:59] <shrift> hey guys
[17:00] <shrift> I'm curious what the status of this project is.
[17:00] <shrift> I remember a while back there was an official project proposal for a real AD or OD type service being built into ubuntu
[17:00] <shrift> has anything happened with that?


[17:56] <DammitJim> hi all! has anyone seen Jimmy lately?
[19:17] <govatent> jimmy?
[19:55] <DammitJim> yeah, DJ Jimmy


[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81760 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81760
[12:32] <pochu> Bug #65768
[12:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65768 in xchat "xchat open konqueror when opening URL (dup-of: 65580)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65768
[12:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65580 in xchat "Default browser not respected" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65580
[12:33] <pochu> I've a question: when marking a bug as a duplicate, should I also change its status to rejected?
[12:33] <Adri2000> pochu: no
[12:33] <pochu> ok
[12:33] <coNP>  but
[12:33] <Adri2000> don't change anything, just mark it as duplicate
[12:33] <coNP> how can be 55580 in progress, if it has no assignee?
[12:34] <pochu> don't know
[12:34] <coNP> sorry, I meant 65580
[12:34] <pochu> a user changed it
[12:34] <pochu> I will change it to confirmed
[12:35] <pochu> should I change it to confirmed?
[12:35] <pochu> maybe it's in progress because they are working on it upstream
[12:35] <coNP> I have seen such a bug before
[12:35] <coNP> there is another bunch of these
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81762 in gaim (main) "crashes without reason. maybe a beryl issue." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81762
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81763 in gaim (main) "crashes without reason. maybe a beryl issue." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81763
[12:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81761 in totem (main) "Crash opening .ts-file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81761
[12:39] <coNP> actually a sensible-browser bug
[12:39] <coNP> so xchat is not affected, I think
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81764 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crash and Gnome Applet stopped unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81764
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81765 in Ubuntu "Installer Crash and Gnome Applet stopped unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81765
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81766 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in property()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81766
[12:50] <coNP> welshbyte: can you help me how to fix packaging bugs? As in 81757? Provide a debdiff, as usual?
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81767 in Ubuntu "Suspend to RAM does not work well on HP notebook nx7400 in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81767
[12:54] <welshbyte> coNP: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-motu, my packaging knowledge is a bit rusty
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81768 in amarok (main) "Don't compile amarok packages with Stack Smashing Protection" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81768
[12:55] <coNP> welshbyte: tanks!
[12:55] <coNP> +h :)
[12:58] <dsas> coNP: It's much easier to follow you if you write bug 81757 rather than just the bug number. It makes ubugtu give everyone a link to it.
[12:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81757 in xchat-systray "Duplicate entry in tasklist" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81757
[12:58] <ash211> does anybody know if bug 81768 being filed against amarok is the correct place?
[12:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81768 in amarok "Don't compile amarok packages with Stack Smashing Protection" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81768
[12:58] <ash211> (I just reported it)
[01:01] <coNP> dsas: thanks, I knew this
[01:01] <coNP> bug #81757
[01:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81757 in xchat-systray "Duplicate entry in tasklist" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81757
[01:02] <coNP> okay, was just a test
[01:03] <dsas> ash211: I think ssp is enabled by default for every package, so as such it's probably amarok that would need changing, but gcc, that said it probably needs a decision from the amarok maintainers.
[01:05] <ash211> i just didn't think that building a package with different options was a gcc bug
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81769 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes accessing AVG Free web page." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81769
[01:05] <ash211> is that where I should redirect it?
[01:06] <dsas> ash211: it's usually not, but if I recall correctly ssp is not something specified in a debian/rules packaging file but further down the toolchain.
[01:06] <dsas> ash211: I'd drop in #kubuntu-devel and see if someone who knows what they're talking about will take a look.
[01:06] <ash211> will do.  thanks for the help
[01:09] <gnomefreak> dsas: any idea whats up with the 6+ parts of chrash reports uploaded seperately
[01:10] <dsas> gnomefreak: new apport being hacked on at the developer sprint
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81770 in kexec-tools (universe) "[Sync Request]  kexec-tools 1.101-kdump10-2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81770
[01:10] <gnomefreak> oh so we are gonna have each of those in our /var/crash?
[01:10] <dsas> gnomefreak: It seperates a /var/crash file into bits and attaches them all to the bug.
[01:10] <dsas> gnomefreak: not sure.
[01:11] <gnomefreak> ok apport does fully work now? as in attaches to bugs files bugs for you or whatever the spec was?
[01:11] <dsas> gnomefreak: Apparently, not sure it's been released in the repos yet. I've noticed several test bug reports being made by mdz and pitti though.
[01:12] <gnomefreak> oh thats what those are for
[01:12] <gnomefreak> now it all makes sense ty ;)
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81772 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel hangs when copying file using NFS4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81772
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81773 in Ubuntu "Beryl crash when changed songs in xmms" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81773
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81774 in goffice (main) "libgoffice-0-gtk-dev does not exist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81774
[02:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81775 in Ubuntu "intsaller crashes on every attempt." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81775
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81776 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashes after scanning partitions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81776
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81778 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__() (dup-of: 81750)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81778
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81779 in pyxmms (universe) "[Sync Request]  pyxmms 2.06-5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81779
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81780 in Ubuntu "Feisty H2 Alternate and Minimal x86 takes a very long time between hardware detection and DHCP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81780
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81781 in beryl-settings (universe) "Beryl ships with annoying defaults in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81781
[04:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81782 in Ubuntu "Realtek ethernet controller detected but no automatic dhcp on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81782
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81783 in ubiquity (main) "Grub Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81783
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81784 in hotkey-setup (main) "Lenovo ThinkPad R60 not recognized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81784
[04:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81679 in nautilus (main) "[feisty]  unable to mount ntfs partition in live cd " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81679
[04:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81785 in Ubuntu "install crashed 81% through " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81785
[04:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81786 in wormux (universe) "Wormux - Crash while playing (middle of game)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81786
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81787 in gnome-cups-manager (main) "Can't add JetDirect Printer with the Postscript Driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81787
[05:03] <TheMuso> c
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81788 in xubuntu-docs (main) "Xubuntu doc bug-filing link points to Ubuntu doc bug-filing link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81788
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81789 in beryl-manager (universe) "beryl crashed when log in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81789
[05:11] <synetos07> Are there a lot of bugs in Ubuntu ?
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81790 in gdebi (main) "[apport]  gdebi-gtk crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81790
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81791 in espeak (universe) "espeak: Please review/upload this package." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81791
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81792 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashes when editing artist tag" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81792
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81793 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashes when editing artist tag" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81793
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81794 in bash (main) "bash scriptings discrepencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81794
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81795 in endeavour (universe) "endeavour: sync new Debian version (2.7.5-1)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81795
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81797 in beagle (main) "unexpected crash of beagle" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81797
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81798 in democracyplayer (universe) "[apport]  democracyplayer crashed with TypeError in __new__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81798
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81799 in courier (universe) "Courier version courier_0.53.3-3ubuntu1 requires merge" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81799
[08:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81800 in tracker (universe) "New upstream release: 0.5.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81800
[08:27] <orion2012> Are bugs filed against Mint "allowed" in Ubuntu's Malone?
[09:41] <owh> Greetings. On https://answers.launchpad.net/ I can see the latest support requests, but I have yet to discover how to see older ones. Can someone please point the way?
[09:48] <owh> I'm trying to help people, but I can only see the last 10 requests. I cannot detect a way to see more or other requests.
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81801 in totem (main) "[apport]  totem-video-indexer crashed with SIGFPE in ??()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81801
[09:57] <tsmithe> owh, ask in #launchpad
[09:57] <owh> tsmithe: Heh, cool, tah.
[09:57] <tsmithe> :)
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81802 in update-manager (main) "update-manager fails to run (could be dbus?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81802
[10:17] <owh> For anyone wondering, google to the rescue. "Find Upstream Product", "Ubuntu", not that intuitive I must confess :-)
[10:19] <coNP> Can anyone running feisty confirm bug #81009 has been fixed, please?
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81009 in gedit "copy paste with wheel mouse" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81009
[10:19] <coNP> Just clicking three times :)
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81803 in ubiquity (main) "installion crash at 77%" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81803
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81805 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81805
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81806 in apport (main) "[apport]  apport-gtk crashed with AssertionError in run_crash()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81806
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81807 in ontv (universe) "OnTV crashes on startup (ElementTree module not available?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81807
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81808 in gnome-power-manager (main) "powerpc and gnome-power-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81808
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81809 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes while using Thememanger" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81809
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81811 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81811
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81812 in Ubuntu "ACX111-based wireless network card doesn't work with Feisty kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81812
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81813 in ekiga (main) "ekiga hangs after x server restart" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81813
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81814 in gpsdrive (universe) "GpsDrive just crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81814
[01:23] <giskard> esilio non e' un problema
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81815 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org "filter selection" dialog is confusing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81815
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81816 in debian-installer (main) "setting up raid partitions takes very long and installer shows no progress bar for it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81816
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81817 in gnome-utils (main) "window screenshot crashes (using openbox)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81817
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81818 in hplip (main) "[apport]  hp-setup crashed with ImportError in <module>() (dup-of: 77307)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81818
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81819 in nicotine (universe) "[feisty]  nicotine crashes when started and makes it hard to catch the crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81819
[02:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81820 in evolution (main) "[Dapper 6.06.1]  Evolution final crash..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81820
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81822 in kdelibs (main) "kded windows shown for removable media dont's react to mouse clicks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81822
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81823 in smart (universe) "Smart package manager 0.50 final was released on 2007 Jan 15 - please update packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81823
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81824 in ubiquity (main) "installer crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81824
[03:04] <Pierre> keescook: around?
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81825 in tracker (universe) "tracker: missing build depends of libmagic-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81825
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81826 in Ubuntu "[feisty herd2]  [27.01.2007 i386-desktop]  screen cuts off after the steps battery state and local.rc !" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81826
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81828 in apport (main) "got this crashed application twice when installing Feisty herd 2 daily" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81828
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81829 in telepathy-butterfly (universe) "[apport]  telepathy-butterfly crashed with KeyError in disconnected()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81829
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81830 in egenix-mx-base (main) "The documentation descriptions are useless" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81830
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81831 in opensync (universe) "new version of opensync was released (0.20)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81831
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81832 in totem (main) "would not play SOME firefox embeded quicktime movies " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81832
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81833 in totem (main) "[Feisty]  totem crashed playing mkv movie (apport)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81833
[03:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81834 in Ubuntu "html icons became bigger on gnome desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81834
[03:54] <coNP> hi pochu
[03:54] <pochu> hi coNP!
[03:54] <pochu> :)
[03:54] <pochu> coNP
[03:54] <pochu> I've a question
[03:54] <coNP> pochu, do you use feisty?
[03:54] <pochu> coNP: yes
[03:54] <pochu> :)
[03:55] <pochu> why?
[03:55] <coNP> okay, please confirm me bug 81009 is fixed
[03:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81009 in gedit "copy paste with wheel mouse" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81009
[03:55] <coNP> but what is your question?
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81835 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81835
[03:56] <pochu> coNP: ok
[03:56] <pochu> coNP: works for me
[03:56] <pochu> :)
[03:57] <pochu> coNP: do you want me to comment the bug report?
[03:57] <coNP> pochu: as you wish, I wanted someone who tests it before I mark it fix released
[03:57] <coNP> pochu: I will do it thanks
[03:58] <pochu> coNP: I've commented the bug
[03:58] <pochu> however, I haven't marked it as fixed
[03:58] <pochu> coNP: I leave that for you :)
[03:58] <pochu> good work ;)
[03:58] <pochu> my question
[03:58] <pochu> look at the tracker version:
[03:58] <pochu> !info tracker feisty
[03:58] <ubotu> tracker: metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.3ubuntu-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 213 kB, installed size 928 kB
[03:59] <pochu> 0.5.3ubuntu?
[03:59] <pochu> it should be 0.5.3-, right?
[04:00] <coNP> not necessarily
[04:00] <coNP> e.g. !info openbox
[04:00] <coNP> !info openbox
[04:00] <ubotu> openbox: standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3-2 (edgy), package size 216 kB, installed size 1240 kB
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81836 in Ubuntu "network crashes iBook-G4 - get info from not-installed connection " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81836
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81837 in Ubuntu "Text is long in theme edubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81837
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81838 in Ubuntu "[feisty]  camorama fails to detect web-camera" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81838
[04:01] <coNP> pochu: sorry, that was a bad example
[04:03] <pochu> but shouldn't be the version number: package_version-0ubuntu1?
[04:03] <pochu> coNP: for example?
[04:03] <pochu> gedit_2.17.4-0ubuntu1
[04:04] <pochu> so tracker should be: tracker_0.5.4-0ubuntu1
[04:05] <pochu> because if you look in the webpage, the version is 0.5.4, and not 0.5.4ubuntu
[04:05] <coNP> pochu: I think it is not really important
[04:05] <pochu> coNP:http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/download.html
[04:05] <pochu> coNP: it isn't
[04:05] <pochu> :)
[04:05] <dsas> there's lots of bugs flying in today :(
[04:05] <pochu> coNP: but as there is a new version, if we are going to upload it, then let's do things well
[04:05] <pochu> dsas: what do you think about tracker name?
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81839 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81839
[04:07] <dsas> "0.5.3ubuntu-0ubuntu1" looks weird.
[04:09] <Pierre> keescook: you got a mail
[04:10] <pochu> dsas: there is a new version of tracker, maybe we should update the package and put the right version name
[04:10] <pochu> dsas, coNP: who can update a package to a new upstream version?
[04:10] <dsas> pochu: Are you volunteering? :p
[04:10] <pochu> dsas: I am
[04:10] <pochu> :)
[04:10] <pochu> but I'm just a bugsquad member, don't know if this is for motus or if I can do it
[04:11] <dsas> pochu: Ok cool! Anyone can do it, you'll need a motu to sponsor your upload though.
[04:11] <pochu> can I do it and then tell a motu to review if the work has been done well?
[04:11] <pochu> oh, thanks
[04:11] <pochu> :)
[04:11] <pochu> then I'm going to do it
[04:11] <dsas> pochu: Cool!
[04:12] <coNP> pochu is packaging now, wow! :)
[04:12] <pochu> :)
[04:12] <pochu> doing it I help a little, and also I learn a lot
[04:12] <pochu> :)
[04:12] <pochu> haha
[04:12] <dsas> win for all
[04:12] <pochu> right!
[04:12] <pochu> :)
[04:21] <pochu> dsas, coNP: I can't download the last version. could you try it and tell me if works for you?
[04:21] <pochu> http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/download.html
[04:22] <dsas> pochu: the tarball?
[04:22] <pochu> dsas: yes
[04:22] <dsas> pochu: works for me
[04:22] <pochu> then I'll do an wget
[04:22] <pochu> thanks
[04:23] <pochu> works with wget
[04:23] <pochu> :)
[04:24] <coNP> pochu, dsas: is there a guide how to update packages?
[04:24] <dsas> coNP: http://help.ubuntu.com/packagingguide
[04:24] <pochu> coNP: I was thinking about the same :)
[04:24] <coNP> thx :)
[04:24] <pochu> I have a problem with firefox :)
[04:25] <dsas> oh, https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html even
[04:25] <pochu> can't open links?
[04:25] <pochu> hehe
[04:25] <dsas> it's in help systems on your computers too
[04:25] <pochu> I have the guide on my home folder
[04:25] <pochu> :)
[04:25] <pochu> I wanted to become a packager
[04:25] <pochu> :)
[04:27] <dsas> pochu: You may find you don't need to do much, at it's easiest you just need to copy the debian dir from the old package into the new source folder and write a new changelog entry.
[04:27] <dsas> but the guys in #ubuntu-motu will probably be more helpful in case anythiing goes worng.
[04:27] <pochu> dsas: oh, that's fine
[04:27] <pochu> dsas: and I would need to comment patches that have been implemented, right?
[04:27] <pochu> dsas: however, tracker hasn't patches
[04:27] <pochu> :)
[04:28] <pochu> so it should be easy
[04:28] <pochu> let's do it!!
[04:28] <coNP> okay, I should report some bugs
[04:28] <coNP> and make patches
[04:28] <coNP> just to make things more complicated :)
[04:28] <dsas> pochu: If there were patches in the debian/ dir you need to check they're still needed. Sounds like you got off light though!
[04:28] <pochu> dsas: there isn't a /debian/patches dir
[04:28] <pochu> :)
[04:29] <pochu> dsas: however, there is a debian/man dir
[04:29] <pochu> I've never seen it
[04:29] <pochu> what is it for?
[04:30] <dsas> for man pages perhaps, i'm not sure.
[04:31] <pochu> maybe
[04:31] <coNP> dsas, pochu: yep, the manpages live there
[04:31] <pochu> coNP: thanks!
[04:31] <pochu> then I'll leave them alive :)
[04:31] <coNP> or at least a part of them, there are some in docs
[04:32] <coNP> oh I think the debian/man is added by the debian packager
[04:32] <coNP> sure
[04:32] <pochu> coNP: then do I leave them or should I remove them?
[04:33] <dsas> pochu: keep them.
[04:33] <pochu> ok
[04:33] <coNP> pochu: don't remove them, they are needed
[04:33] <pochu> :)
[04:43] <pochu> building!
[04:43] <pochu> I'm doing my first package update, and also I'm fixing two bugs!
[04:43] <pochu> :)
[04:43] <pochu> 3 on 1
[04:43] <pochu> hehe
[04:44] <coNP> pochu: you updated and fixed bugs with patches?
[04:44] <pochu> no, one bug was to upload the package
[04:44] <coNP> or the bugs where not present in the new version?
[04:44] <pochu> update
[04:44] <coNP> okay
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81841 in lvm2 (main) "creation of multiple snapshots currupts LVM metadata of volume group" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81841
[04:46] <pochu> I have a problem
[04:46] <pochu> I have build the package
[04:46] <pochu> but in the terminal, while it was creating the debs, it said this:
[04:46] <pochu> dh_gencontrol -ptracker-utils
[04:46] <pochu> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}
[04:46] <pochu> dh_md5sums -ptracker-utils
[04:46] <pochu> dh_builddeb -ptracker-utils
[04:47] <pochu> and that with all the debs (there are about 5 debs)
[04:47] <dsas> pochu: Sounds like you have missing packages. maybe devscripts or something.
[04:47] <dsas> pochu: #ubuntu-motu will know more.
[04:47] <pochu> dsas, ok, I'll ask there
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81843 in supertux (universe) "Supertux hangs when quitting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81843
[04:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81842 in gmediaserver (universe) "Init script does not start gmediaserver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81842
[05:00] <pochu> there is somebody else updating tracker
[05:00] <pochu> XD
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81847 in firefox (main) "totem-xine player crashes during playing of .mov file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81847
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81845 in update-manager (main) "update-manager crashes when installing python uno while upgrading to feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81845
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81846 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes on opening launchpad to report a bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81846
[05:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81849 in ubiquity (main) "Grub Fails to installt" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81849
[05:23] <pochu> lol
[05:23] <pochu> bug 81846
[05:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81846 in firefox "firefox crashes on opening launchpad to report a bug" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81846
[05:24] <pochu> if firefox crashes, how has he filed the bug?
[05:24] <pochu> maybe with opera
[05:24] <pochu> :)
[05:24] <coNP> pochu: epiphany, galeon, konqueror, lynx, w3m
[05:24] <pochu> :)
[05:24] <coNP> :)
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81850 in Ubuntu "Edgy not boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81850
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81851 in beagle (main) "evolution alarm notify relatory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81851
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81852 in gnome-chess (universe) "gnome-chess segfaults randomly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81852
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81853 in gutenprint (main) "[Edgy]  Reversing page order with epson C86 has no effect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81853
[05:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81854 in rdesktop (main) "rdesktop locks keyboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81854
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81856 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Addressbooks Synchronizer add-on creates Error: Unknown Protocol Handler (17)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81856
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81857 in gnome-applets (main) "Critical bug in gnome-applets postinstall script" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81857
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81859 in Ubuntu "installer crahs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81859
[06:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81858 in firefox (main) "Digg.com slows down the browser" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81858
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81860 in firefox (main) "Crash while reading e-mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81860
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81861 in evolution (main) "[apport]  evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81861
[07:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81862 in Ubuntu "Skype crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81862
[07:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81863 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed while update-manager was running" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81863
[07:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81864 in Ubuntu "midnight commander shows password in the directory hotlist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81864
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81866 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81866
[07:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81865 in Ubuntu "please sync openarena from debian/unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81865
[07:32] <pochu> anybody can tell me if I should close bug 81862?
[07:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81862 in skype "Skype crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81862
[07:33] <pochu> I've closed the ubuntu bug, but don't know if I should also close the upstream bug
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81867 in f-spot (main) "0.3.2 crashes: System.NullReferenceException" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81867
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81868 in xchat (universe) "XChat chashed, after of exit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81868
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81869 in Ubuntu "Update features grabs wrong kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81869
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81870 in Ubuntu "please sync schroot 1.0.5-1/unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81870
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81871 in kdebase (main) "konqueror toolbar buttons viewmode and load view profile do nothing when klicked" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81871
[07:57] <h4writer> concerning https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81273:
[07:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81273 in Ubuntu "list isn't rendered good" [Undecided,Needs info]
[07:57] <h4writer> they asked me for more information
[07:58] <h4writer> is it now enough, or do I need to give other things too
[08:00] <h4writer> ?
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81875 in Ubuntu "screen position and size of opened applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81875
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81872 in gstreamer0.10 (universe) "gstreamer unable to play ogg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81872
[08:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81873 in tomboy (main) "tomboy applet exits with error " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81873
[08:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81874 in cupsys (main) "Epson AcuLaser driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81874
[08:05] <keescook> Pierre: yup, got it, thanks.
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81876 in libcommons-dbcp-java (universe) "Dependency on java2-runtime removed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81876
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81877 in telepathy-blue (universe) "[apport]  telepathy-blue crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81877
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81878 in gaim (main) "gaim crash, no apparent reazon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81878
[08:26] <TrioTorus> problem running commercial software (pftrack): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3137/
[08:26] <TrioTorus> it's an old 32bit program but it is complaining about gcc4.2??
[08:27] <TrioTorus> trying to run it on 64bit edgy eft
[08:28] <pochu> TrioTorus: #ubuntu
[08:28] <TrioTorus> ooopss I'm very sorry, wrong tab
[08:28] <pochu> np
[08:33] <christof-kr> TrioTorus, i answered you in #ubuntu
[08:33] <bddebian> Boo
[08:35] <pochu> anybody can tell me if I should close bug 81862?
[08:35] <pochu> I've closed the ubuntu bug, but don't know if I should also close the upstream bug
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81879 in telepathy-butterfly (universe) "[apport]  telepathy-butterfly crashed with TypeError in emit_signal()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81879
[08:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81862 in skype "Skype crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81862
[08:36] <coNP> pochu: you should only close the upstream bug if you got an answer from skype
[08:36] <coNP> I guess
[08:36] <pochu> coNP: ok :)
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81880 in xchat (universe) "[apport]  xchat crashed with SIGSEGV in ??()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81880
[08:56] <Pierre> keescook: here?
[08:57] <keescook> hi Pierre
[08:57] <Pierre> hi Kees
[08:57] <Pierre> got 2mins?
[08:57] <keescook> sure!
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81881 in casper (main) "[feisty]  Default spoken language" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81881
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81882 in Ubuntu "iBook-G4 <update-07-01-27=18.00> from "desktop"22.01.07 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81882
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81886 in democracyplayer (universe) "Crashed on starting a movie" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81886
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81883 in tsclient (main) "Problems with specials characters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81883
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81884 in Ubuntu "[apport]  slune crashed with  SyntaxError in sound() [slune and/or python 2.5] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81884
[09:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81885 in firefox (main) "crash to bookmark" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81885
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81887 in cinepaint (universe) "CinePaint uses incompatible dcraw arguments" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81887
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81888 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81888
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81889 in compiz (universe) "[apport]  compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in savageGetLock()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81889
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81890 in elementtree (main) "python-elementree doesn't seem to support python2.5?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81890
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81891 in gnome-power-manager (main) "laptop button halts instead of "ask me"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81891
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81892 in firebird2 (universe) "[Merge]  firebird2 <IP_ADDRESS>70-12ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81892
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81893 in schroot (universe) "libc6 update breaks dchroot, recompile fixes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81893
[10:33] <pochu> coNP: ping
[10:33] <coNP> pochu: pong
[10:33] <pochu> jeje
[10:33] <pochu> :)
[10:34] <pochu> bug 81890
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81890 in elementtree "python-elementree doesn't seem to support python2.5?" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81890
[10:34] <coNP> yep?
[10:35] <pochu> elementtree is included in python2.5
[10:35] <coNP> yep, I asked back therefore
[10:35] <coNP> what is the problem
[10:35] <coNP> it might be a user error
[10:35] <pochu> there is no problem
[10:35] <coNP> but also a system error
[10:35] <pochu> just reject the report
[10:35] <pochu> there is no bug
[10:35] <coNP> okay
[10:35] <pochu> oh
[10:35] <pochu> coNP
[10:35] <coNP> I want to hear this from the user :)
[10:36] <pochu> :)
[10:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81895 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-display-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in ??()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81895
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81896 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "adress book crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81896
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81897 in ubiquity (main) "installer crash -- kde and not on live cd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81897
[11:08] <coNP> pochu: look at bug 81890 now :)
[11:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81890 in elementtree "python-elementree doesn't seem to support python2.5?" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81890
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81898 in Ubuntu "Can't open strange name's archives" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81898
[11:31] <pochu> coNP: going to look the bug :)
[11:32] <coNP> pochu: I am doing this :)
[11:32] <coNP> you might triage some other bug, if you want
[11:33] <pochu> do you want me to help you with it?
[11:33] <pochu> coNP: or do you want to do it yourself?
[11:33] <coNP> do you use python / elementree?
[11:33] <pochu> yes
[11:33] <pochu> the problem is this
[11:33] <pochu> but this is not a bug
[11:33] <pochu> wait
[11:34] <coNP> this is a bug
[11:34] <coNP> python-elementtree  is replaced by python2.5
[11:34] <pochu> coNP: http://www.python.org/dev/summary/2006-04-01_2006-04-15/#elementtree-naming
[11:34] <coNP> however, python2.5 does not contain elementree
[11:34] <pochu> elementtree has been renamed
[11:34] <pochu> it contains it
[11:34] <coNP> pochu: okay
[11:34] <pochu> I've tried it
[11:34] <coNP> you are right
[11:34] <coNP> you won :)
[11:35] <pochu> :)
[11:35] <coNP> pochu: do you want to reject the bug?
[11:36] <pochu> do it yourself
[11:36] <pochu> but let me answer him
[11:36] <pochu> :)
[11:36] <coNP> oh, answer, of course, please
[11:39] <pochu> coNP: done, you can close it now
[11:39] <pochu> :)
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81899 in pure-ftpd (universe) "[Merge]  pure-ftpd 1.0.21-7ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81899
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81900 in eclipse (universe) ""Could not create /usr/local/lib/eclipse/.eclipseextension" on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81900
[11:41] <coNP> bug 81900 would be a bug
[11:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81900 in eclipse ""Could not create /usr/local/lib/eclipse/.eclipseextension" on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81900
[11:41] <coNP> if you could create something in /usr/local/...
[11:42] <pochu> haha
[11:42] <pochu> :)
[11:43] <coNP> no, the reporter is right
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81901 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox should not have "delete" nor "paste" option for read-only track name display" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81901
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81903 in debian-installer (main) "keyboard auto-detect openoffice installer hang" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81903


[00:01] <davecheney> da fuq ?
[00:06] <thumper> davecheney: yeah, this seems to be the fundamental problem behind the lxc containers not upgrading
[00:06]  * thumper is still digging
[00:26]  * thumper tries to igrore work for a bit and go to lunch
[01:10] <menn0> thumper: based on circumstantial evidence only it looks like the a stuck lease/leadership worker is behind bug 1466565
[01:10] <mup> Bug #1466565: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <cts> <landscape> <sts> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[01:11] <menn0> thumper: based on a log message indicating that a watcher fired due to a change in the leases collection long after just about everything else was dead
[01:11]  * menn0 goes to try a quick repro
[01:18] <davecheney> thumper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11776424/
[01:18] <davecheney> 5 races, including the obscure apiserver one
[01:18] <davecheney> that we talked about in the standup
[01:20] <natefinch> dave, always playing the race card
[01:27] <natefinch> ericsnow: you around?
[01:49] <davecheney> thumper: who maintains gomass api ?
[01:49] <davecheney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1468972
[01:49] <mup> Bug #1468972: provider/maas: race in launchpad.net/gomaasapi <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468972>
[01:51] <mup> Bug #1468972 opened: provider/maas: race in launchpad.net/gomaasapi <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468972>
[01:52] <menn0> thumper: bingo... able to repro
[01:54] <menn0> wallyworld: we're never doing another 1.23 release again are we?
[01:55] <wallyworld> no
[01:55] <wallyworld> that's the plan
[01:55] <menn0> cool
[01:56] <menn0> wallyworld: the reason I ask is that I'm looking at a problem upgrading out of a 1.23 env which seems fairly easy to hit (almost certainly due to the lease/leadership workers not exiting)
[01:57] <wallyworld> hmmm
[01:57] <menn0> wallyworld: adam c has hit it and I can repro it pretty easily
[01:57] <menn0> wallyworld: seems like anyone who ended up on 1.23 could have trouble getting off it
[01:57] <wallyworld> i guess we could do another release then
[01:57] <menn0> wallyworld: that wouldn't help
[01:57] <wallyworld> or have to
[01:57] <menn0> wallyworld: they wouldn't be able to upgrade to that either
[01:58] <wallyworld> ah yeah
[01:58] <menn0> wallyworld: the issue is prevent the agent from exiting to restart into the new version
[01:58] <wallyworld> is there a workaround we can document?
[01:58] <menn0> wallyworld: it should be possible to work around it by manually setting the symlink
[01:58] <axw> menn0: I *think* killing the jujud process would fix it
[01:58] <wallyworld> that will have to be what we do then i guess
[01:59] <axw> it just deadlocks when shutting down
[01:59] <axw> if it's the bug I fixed
[01:59] <menn0> axw: no that doesn't help because the symlink gets changed as one of the very last things that jujud does b4 it exists
[01:59] <axw> ah right
[01:59] <menn0> axw: and b/c some workers aren't finishing it's not getting to that
[01:59]  * axw nods
[02:00] <axw> menn0: btw, reviewed your branches. sorry for not doing so yesterday
[02:00] <menn0> adam gets a minute or so of working Juju before it wants to restart and then gets stuck
[02:00] <menn0> axw: thanks. no worries.
[02:02] <menn0> axw: good catches for both of the problems you noticed
[02:12] <thumper> davecheney: technically we maintain gomass api
[02:13] <thumper> menn0: which repro are you talking about?
[02:13] <davecheney> launchpad.net/gomaasappi
[02:44] <menn0> thumper: bug 1466565
[02:44] <mup> Bug #1466565: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <cts> <landscape> <sts> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[02:45] <thumper> menn0: yes?
[02:45] <menn0> thumper: this is pretty serious actually... anyone who upgraded to 1.23 is likely to have a hard time getting off it
[02:45] <menn0> thumper: see the ticket for trivial repro steps
[02:45] <menn0> thumper: manual steps are required to upgrade
[02:46] <menn0> thumper: the culprit appears to be the lease worker not honouring kill requests
[02:46]  * thumper nods
[02:58] <axw> wallyworld: I'm playing around with the Azure portal, which looks like it's using the new model... and putting machines in the same AS still forces them to the same domain-name/IP
[02:58] <axw> :(
[02:58] <wallyworld> oh :-(
[02:58] <wallyworld> can you email the ms guys we have been talking to and ask about it?
[03:00] <axw> wallyworld: ok
[03:00] <wallyworld> ty, may not be the answer we want but at least they may be able to explain why etc
[03:09] <mup> Bug #1466565 changed: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <cts> <landscape> <sts> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[03:13] <wallyworld> axw: there's a blue card in the Next lane - binding volumes/filesystems. That one has actually been done as part of the volume deletion work
[03:14] <axw> wallyworld: yes, apart from UI to change binding
[03:14] <axw> wallyworld: so I'll change it to just the missing bits
[03:14] <wallyworld> axw: so i reckon we should add an unplanned card worth 5 or 8 for the work done
[03:15] <axw> wallyworld: it was part of the persistent volume deletion
[03:15] <axw> which was just woefully underestimated
[03:15] <wallyworld> yep, i under estimated the resources card too :-(
[03:15] <wallyworld> axw: also, if/when you get a chance ptal at the resources pr again  :-)
[03:16] <axw> wallyworld: sure, just writing this email to guy
[03:16] <wallyworld> np
[03:21] <mup> Bug #1466565 opened: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <cts> <landscape> <sts> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core 1.23:Won't Fix by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Invalid by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[03:27] <axw> wallyworld: sorry, dunno why I thought you were storing the URL now. I think I saw the params struct and thought that's what you were storing in state
[03:28] <wallyworld> np
[03:31] <axw> wallyworld: LGTM
[03:31] <wallyworld> yay, ty
[03:33] <mup> Bug #1466565 changed: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <cts> <landscape> <sts> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core 1.23:Won't Fix by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Invalid by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[04:00] <menn0> omg so much fail
[04:01] <menn0> you pull a string and broken stuff appears everywhere
[04:12] <thumper> wallyworld, axw: can you join a hangout plxz?
[04:12] <thumper> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/onyx-standup
[04:13] <axw> thumper: omw
[04:15] <axw> thumper: are you in? just says "trying to join the call"
[04:15] <thumper> axw: I had that earlier today too...
[04:15]  * thumper tries a direct invite
[04:28] <thumper> axw: when did this commit land BTW?
[04:28] <axw> thumper: 1.24
[04:29] <thumper> I'm wondering if we should pull 1.24.1
[04:29] <thumper> because this problem will stop any non-state server upgrading I think
[04:29] <axw> thumper: probably not a bad idea. how come this got through CI? is it only affecting things that don't support KVM?
[04:30] <thumper> no idea
[04:30] <thumper> maybe...
[04:30] <thumper> there is an open issue though about CI around upgrades
[04:30] <thumper> as we have found so many upgrade problems
[04:30] <thumper> which CI didn't catch
[04:30] <axw> thumper: got the OK from OIL too I think, though not sure if they do upgrade or clean install
[04:31] <thumper> I assigned you to the wrong bug
[04:31] <thumper> hang on
[04:32] <axw> thumper: ta
[04:36] <thumper> bug 1466969
[04:36] <mup> Bug #1466969: Upgrading 1.20.14 -> 1.24.0 fails <canonical-bootstack> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466969>
[04:36] <axw> hurngh, can't test because I have vivid
[04:36] <axw> should fail from 1.23 I guess
[04:36] <thumper> 1.23 is terrible
[04:36] <thumper> you can't upgrade from 1.23 due to lease / leadership issues
[04:37] <thumper> try 1.22 or 1.20
[04:37] <thumper> I have some 1.20.14 binaries if you want them :)
[04:37] <axw> thumper: I can build them, juju 1.20 doesn't work on vivid
[04:37] <axw> no systemd
[04:37] <thumper> ugh
[04:38] <thumper> geez
[04:38] <axw> never mind, I'll work something out
[04:38] <thumper> axw: you could reproduce in ec2
[04:38] <axw> yep. I think I have a VM anyway
[04:38] <thumper> axw: by deploying ubuntu into a container
[04:38] <thumper> ok
[04:39] <thumper> axw: was this for 1.24.1 or 1.24.0?
[04:39] <thumper> axw: because there is another bug about failing to upgrade from 1.24.0 to 1.24.1
[04:39] <axw> thumper: pretty sure 1.24, I'll double check
[04:40] <axw> .0 I mean
[04:40]  * thumper wouldn't be surprised if it is a different bug
[04:40] <thumper> so many bugs
[04:40] <thumper> :-(
[04:41] <axw> thumper: yep, 1.24.0
[04:41] <thumper> ok... so this other upgrade problem is something else
[04:41]  * thumper takes a deep breath
[04:42] <axw> thumper: how do I work around this syslog upgrade issue?
[04:42] <axw>       upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS> failed (will retry): move syslog config from LogDir to DataDir: error(s) while moving old syslog config files: invalid argument
[04:42] <thumper> ha
[04:42] <thumper> I build from the 1.24.1 tag
[04:43] <axw> I see, that was only broken in 1.24.2 ?
[04:43] <thumper> or mkdir /etc/juju-<namespace>
[04:43] <thumper> yep
[04:43] <thumper> it is the commit after updating the version to 1.24.2
[04:43] <axw> okey dokey
[04:43] <axw> I'll try that
[05:06] <mup> Bug #1468994 opened: Multi-env unsafe leadership documents written to settings collection <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468994>
[05:17] <menn0> thumper: digging into the leadership settings issue... the _id field was being prefix correctly
[05:17] <menn0> thumper: but the env-uuid field wasn't being added
[05:18] <menn0> thumper: so there's no cross-env leakage issues, but the upgrade step definitely gets confused
[05:18]  * menn0 updates ticket
[05:28] <menn0> axw: can I get a quick review of http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2036/ please
[05:28] <menn0> it's a one-liner :)
[05:28] <axw> menn0: sure
[05:29] <axw> menn0: is there a minimal test you can add for it? or is that coming later?
[05:30] <menn0> axw: i'll have a look... i didn't have to change any tests when making this change
[05:30] <axw> menn0: right, but we had missing test coverage right?
[05:31] <axw> menn0: maybe not worthwhile. I'll LGTM and leave it to your discretion
[05:32] <menn0> axw: thinking about it, a test at this layer doensnt make sense since it's actually the responsibility of a lower level to add the env-uuid field
[05:32] <axw> menn0: fair enough
[05:32] <menn0> axw: the fact that the lower layer didn't blow up when given a doc like this will be fixed in a later PR
[05:33] <menn0> axw: and tested there
[05:33] <axw> menn0: SGTM
[05:33] <axw> shipit
[05:33] <menn0> axw: cheers
[05:36] <menn0> thumper: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2662 and https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2661 are merging now. they're the minimum fixes for the leaderships settings doc env-uuid issue for 1.24 and master. More to come to avoid this kind of thing in the future of course.
[06:25] <axw> thumper: seems there's another problem too :/    2015-06-26 06:22:31 ERROR juju.worker runner.go:218 exited "api": login for "machine-1" blocked because upgrade in progress
[06:26] <axw> thumper: (machine-1 hasn't upgraded yet)
[08:17] <dimitern> voidspace, dooferlad, hey guys, since you're on call reviewers today, along with fwereade, please review any non-reviewed PRs with priority
[08:17] <fwereade> dimitern, am so doing :)
[08:24] <dimitern> fwereade, cheers :)
[08:30] <dooferlad> dimitern: on it.
[08:30] <dimitern> dooferlad, ta!
[08:30] <voidspace> cool
[08:30] <dooferlad> dimitern: the other topic for the day seems to be bootstack related. Should we sync up with Peter now
[08:30] <dooferlad> ?
[08:31] <dimitern> dooferlad, I'm talking to him in #juju @c
[08:31] <dooferlad> dimitern: ah, I was expecting on a different channel.
[09:02] <dimitern> dooferlad, standup?
[09:58] <mup> Bug #1469077 opened: Leadership claims, document larger than capped size <landscape> <leadership> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469077>
[11:30] <Syed_A> Hello !
[11:30] <Syed_A> submitted two bugs last night.
[11:30] <Syed_A> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/quantum-gateway/+bug/1468939
[11:30] <mup> Bug #1468939: Instances fail to get metadata: The 'service_metadata_proxy' option must be enabled. <quantum-gateway (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468939>
[11:31] <Syed_A> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/nova-cloud-controller/+bug/1468918/
[11:31] <mup> Bug #1468918: neutron-server fails to start; python-neutron-vpnaas and python-neutron-lbaas packages are missing. <nova-cloud-controller (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468918>
[11:32] <Syed_A> jamespage: Hello
[12:01] <mup> Bug #1469130 opened: tools migration fails when upgrading 1.20.14 to 1.24.1 on ec2 <ec2-provider> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469130>
[12:02] <fwereade> mattyw, would you close http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1460/ one way or the other? looks like it has ship-its
[12:03] <mattyw> fwereade, oooh, had forgotten about this
[12:03] <fwereade> mattyw, cheers
[12:03] <mattyw> fwereade, the comments seem controversial - care to make a casting vote - land or just close?
[12:04] <fwereade> mattyw, I'm inclined to trust dave and andrew's apparent approval; nobody's complained, so land it
[12:05] <mattyw> fwereade, landing, thanks very much
[12:06] <mattyw> fwereade, thanks for noticing, had totally forgotten about this
[12:15] <fwereade> niedbalski, niedbalski_: so, I'm sorry, I don't know what happened with your patches http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1698/ and http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1717/ ; it seems they got ship-its but never landed? if you check whether they need updating, and let me know their status, I will make sure they get landed
[12:16] <fwereade> dimitern, http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1403/ ?
[12:24] <dimitern> fwereade, looking
[12:25] <dimitern> fwereade, that needs to land yes, it's been a while
[12:26] <dimitern> fwereade, I'll fix/respond to the current reviews and ask you for a final stamp
[12:26] <fwereade> dimitern, cool
[12:38] <jamespage> Syed_A, which openstack release?
[12:38] <Syed_A> jamespage: Kilo
[12:38] <jamespage> Syed_A, for that second bug, neutron-server is not supported on nova-cloud-controller - you have to use the neutron-api charm
[12:38] <jamespage> that applies for >= kilo
[12:40] <jamespage> Syed_A, can you make sure that your quantum-gateway charm is up-to-date - the kilo template should have the right things set
[12:40] <Syed_A> jamespage: Ok, so if i deploy neutron-api charm i wouldn't need to install vpnaas or lbass ?
[12:40] <jamespage> Syed_A, the neutron-api charm knows how to deploy those things for >= kilo
[12:40] <Syed_A> jamespage: Roger that.
[12:41] <jamespage> it will enable them - nova-cloud-controller only supported 'embedded neutron-server' up to juno I think
[12:41] <Syed_A> jamespage: This may be a silly question but how can i make sure that quantum-gateway charm is up-to-date ?
[12:41] <dimitern> fwereade, updated http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1403/ PTAL
[12:41] <jamespage> Syed_A, are you deployed from branches or from the juju charm store?
[12:49] <Syed_A> jamespage: juju charm store.
[12:49] <jamespage> Syed_A, which version does 'juju status' tell you have deployed then
[12:50] <jamespage> Syed_A, version 16 has the required templates:
[12:50] <jamespage> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/trusty/quantum-gateway-16/archive/templates/kilo/nova.conf
[12:50] <Syed_A> Ok,,, checking ...
[12:53] <Syed_A> jamespage: charm: cs:trusty/quantum-gateway-16
[12:54] <fwereade> dimitern, LGTM
[12:54] <jamespage> Syed_A, what's your openstack-origin configuration?
[12:58] <Syed_A> jamespage: Unfortunately, in this setup openstack-origin is not present but there is an ansible variable which specify openstack release which is set to kilo.
[12:58] <Syed_A> jamespage: The variable is used to set this repository, repo="deb http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu {{ ansible_lsb.codename }}-updates/{{ openstack_release }} main"
[12:59] <jamespage> Syed_A, I need to understand what the charm thinks it should be doing
[12:59] <jamespage> if openstack-origin is not set correctly, it won't use the right templates
[12:59] <Syed_A> jamespage: Ok, i am going to set openstack_origin in the config right now.
[12:59] <jamespage> irrespective of what you put in sources :)
[13:00] <jamespage> Syed_A, this may have working in the past, but for the last release we switched how we determine openstack series to support the deploy from source feature in the charms
[13:01] <jamespage> Syed_A, my statement about openstack-origin will apply across all of the openstack charms btw
[13:01] <jamespage> the template loader is constructed based on that configuration
[13:01] <jamespage> so it will assume a default of icehouse on trusty for example
[13:03] <Syed_A> jamespage: Ohhh, i got it, so this might be the reason why this charm which used to work fine, now fails.
[13:03] <jamespage> Syed_A, that's quite possible
[13:04] <jamespage> Syed_A, before we determined version based on packages installed - however for deploy from source, there are not any openstack packages installed :-)
[13:14] <dimitern> fwereade, last look? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1403/
[13:15] <fwereade> dimitern, if that's all you changed just land it :)
[13:15] <dimitern> fwereade, cheers :) will do
[13:42] <Syed_A> jamespage: I am deploying a fresh setup with these configs. [1] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11778630/ && [2] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11778641/
[13:43] <jamespage> Syed_A, openstack-dashboard needs openstack-origin as well
[13:43] <jamespage> but looks much better
[13:43] <jamespage> Syed_A, I must introduce you to bundles :-)
[13:44] <Syed_A> jamespage: bundles ? :)
[13:44] <jamespage> Syed_A, hmm - you're doing alot of --to=X to the same machines ?
[13:45] <Syed_A> jamespage: Yes, specifying exactly where a service should go ? Isn't a good practice.
[13:45] <jamespage> Syed_A, bundles - https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/
[13:46] <jamespage> Syed_A, pushing multiple services onto the same machines without using containers won;t work
[13:47] <jamespage> Syed_A, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackCharms/ProviderColocationSupport
[13:50] <Syed_A> jamespage: This is why i was working on a lxc based OpenStack deployment. But for now we are just deploying nova-compute and quantum-gateway on seperate machine which used to work in the past.
[13:50] <Syed_A> jamespage: Our lxc based bits are also ready just need to patch the lxc-ubuntu-cloud template for our 3 nics per container requirement.
[13:51] <jamespage> Syed_A, I thought you where - good
[13:51] <jamespage> you pastebin confused me
[13:52] <Syed_A> jamespage: Sorry about that. alice(controller) is 1, bob(compute) is 2 and charlie(quantum-gateway) is 3. :)
[13:52] <jamespage> Syed_A, but you are going to use lxc containers right?
[13:53] <Syed_A> jamespage: No, not in this setup.
[13:53] <jamespage> Syed_A, most of the controller services won't work
[13:53] <jamespage> Syed_A, they assume control over the filesystem, so are not safe to deploy without containers
[13:55] <Syed_A> jamespage: ohhh that w'd be a problem. :/
[13:56] <jamespage> Syed_A, yeah - I know they will all at-least conflict on haproxy configuration
[13:56] <jamespage> Syed_A, we enable that by default now
[13:57] <Syed_A> jamespage: for haproxy, we have a customized haproxy.cfg which fixes the issue
[14:02]  * fwereade was up until 2 last night, taking an extended break, may or may not be back at a reasonable time
[14:03] <jamespage> Syed_A, you guys are terrifying me - all I can say is ymmv
[14:04] <mbruzek> Has anyone seen a problem with the GCE provider today?  The juju bootstrap command is giving this error: ERROR failed to bootstrap environment: cannot start bootstrap instance: no "trusty" images in us-central1 with arches [amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el]
[14:07] <sinzui> mbruzek: I am in #cloudware. I haven’t gotten any answers
[14:08] <sinzui> mbruzek: there are NO images for gce http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.cloud:released:gce.sjson
[14:08] <Syed_A> jamespage: Our goal is to eventually move towards lxc based openstack deployment as suggested by the community. Right now i am only trying to fix this issue for the time being. We have every intention to follow the process as suggested on ubuntu wiki.
[14:08] <mbruzek> sinzui: strange that this worked before, I am just seeing this error today
[14:09] <sinzui> mbruzek: CI tests gce, we saw the failre about 15 hours ago.
[14:10] <mbruzek> sinzui: Did you file a bug that I can contribute to?
[14:10] <sinzui> mbruzek: no, because this is an ops issue. I am not aware of a project for gce images
[14:11] <sinzui> mbruzek: I am crafting a email asking for someone with power to explain the situation
[14:17] <Syed_A> jamespage: You were right about the conflict at  haproxy , neutron-api failed to install and logs this:INFO install error: cannot open 9696/tcp (unit "neutron-api/0"): conflicts with existing 9696/tcp (unit "nova-cloud-controller/0")
[14:20] <Syed_A> jamespage: Looks like nova-cloud-controller and neutron-api are both installing neutron-server.
[14:21] <jamespage> Syed_A, yes
[14:21] <jamespage> Syed_A, hmm - yes - that won't work well on a single unit
[14:21] <jamespage> Syed_A, there is a huge assumption in the charms that they 'own' the unit
[14:25] <Syed_A> jamespage: Ok, so how can i stop nova-cloud-controller from installing neutron-server.
[14:29] <Syed_A> jamespage: Will it work if i deploy neutrona-api unit on quantum-gateway node ?
[14:30] <jamespage> Syed_A, nope - neutron-api will trample all over the gateway charms config files
[14:30] <Syed_A> jamespage: compute node then ?
[14:30] <jamespage> Syed_A, nova-cc decides to stop managing neutron-server - but not straight away
[14:30] <jamespage> Syed_A, same problem - but this time neutron-openvswitch's config files
[14:30] <jamespage> Syed_A, the charms are just not designed for this type of use
[14:32] <mup> Bug #1469184 opened: listSuite teardown fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.24:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469184>
[14:32] <mup> Bug #1469186 opened: ContextRelationSuite teardown fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469186>
[14:32] <Syed_A> jamespage: Don't you think charms should be able to deploy a standalone controller node say a VM.
[14:34] <jamespage> Syed_A, I'm adverse to changing the design principle each charm has in that it 'owns' the unit filesystem
[14:35] <jamespage> Syed_A, LXC containers give us a lightweight way to manage this, without having to have alot of complexity in the charms to deal with this problem
[14:37] <Syed_A> jamespage: I am inclined to agree with you. LXC works better but the use case that somebody might want to deploy a openstack controller node without using lxc is a valid use case.
[14:38] <jamespage> Syed_A, I don't disagree with that - just saying maybe the charms are not the right way to fullfil that
[14:45] <natefinch> fwereade: why did we write our own RPC implementation when there's one in the stdlib?
[15:02] <mup> Bug #1469189 opened: unitUpgraderSuite teardown panic <ci> <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469189>
[15:02] <mup> Bug #1469193 opened: juju selects wrong address for API <sts> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469193>
[15:02] <mup> Bug #1469196 opened: runlistener nil pointer / invalid address <ci> <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469196>
[15:02] <Syed_A> jamespage: Ok let's say i fix the neutron-server manually but what about the instance metadata not working ?
[15:02] <jamespage> Syed_A, that should be fixed by correctly specifying openstack-origin
[15:06] <Syed_A> jamespage: testing ...
[15:33] <Syed_A> jamespage: Ok so instance metadata is working.
[15:33] <fwereade> natefinch, I can't remember what it does that the stdlib one didn't, but I know it was something :/
[15:33] <Syed_A> jamespage: As per your suggestion correctly specifying openstack-origin fixed the issue.
[15:33] <fwereade> natefinch, rogpeppe would remember
[15:34] <rogpeppe> natefinch: there were a few reasons
[15:34] <rogpeppe> natefinch: the main one is that with the stdlib version you don't get to have per-connection context
[15:35] <natefinch> rogpeppe: ahh, interesting, yeah
[15:35] <rogpeppe> natefinch: also, the way you have to phrase the stdlib methods is awkward
[15:38] <Syed_A> jamespage: If somebody is deploying openstack on public cloud and they cannot use lxc, so the suggestion here will be to start a new vm and install neutron-api as a standalone unit there ?
[15:41] <mup> Bug #1469199 opened: State server seems to have died <cloud-install-failure> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469199>
[15:41] <natefinch> rogpeppe: yeah, the stdlib way is kind of annoying, I'm surprised they didn't do it the way ours does... (traditional val, error return)... but I'm sure there was a reason at the time
[15:41] <rogpeppe> natefinch: it's simpler to implement the way they did it
[15:42] <rogpeppe> natefinch: but my reasoning was we were going to be writing lots of API entry points, so the additional complexity in the rpc package was worth it
[15:46] <voidspace> mgz: ping
[15:49] <mgz> voidspace: hey
[15:49] <voidspace> mgz: it's alright, I think I've sorted it
[15:50] <voidspace> mgz: had a question about gomaasapi which you seem to have touched
[15:50] <mgz> voidspace: okay, I hall remain in the dark
[15:51] <voidspace> mgz: heh
[15:53] <voidspace> mgz: I hate creating JSON maps in Go :-/
[15:53] <mgz> voidspace: it is not the most fun
[15:56] <jamespage> Syed_A, yes - but that is very much an edge case
[15:57] <jamespage> most clouds are deployed on metal :-)
[15:57] <jamespage> Syed_A, infact what you suggest is exactly how we test the openstack charms - we have a small QA cloud (5 compute nodes) which we can standup a full openstack cloud ontop of
[15:57] <jamespage> we can run ~15 clouds in parallel
[15:57] <jamespage> and do things like test HA etc...
[15:58] <Syed_A> jamespage: Correct most clouds are deployed on metal. But with the latest charms neutron-api and nova-cloud-controller cannot be installed on the same physical machine ?
[16:00] <jamespage> Syed_A, that is absolutley the case - and you will hit issues with other conflicts as well
[16:00] <jamespage> Syed_A, which is why we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackCharms/ProviderColocationSupport
[16:00] <Syed_A> jamespage: We also have a small setup where we test openstack. I set up HA LXC openstack setup last week. Which was fun :)
[16:00] <jamespage> :-)
[16:00] <jamespage> Syed_A, its neat - the qa cloud i refer to is juju deployed, and is HA control plane under lxc as well
[16:02] <Syed_A> jamespage: Cool !
[16:18] <ericsnow> natefinch: regarding RB, did you mean the GH integration isn't working or something else?
[16:27] <sinzui> mbruzek: gce streams are back
[16:27] <mbruzek> sinzui: thank you
[16:55] <natefinch> ericsnow: yes, the GH integration... like, I made a PR vs. juju-process-docker and no review was created on RB
[16:56] <natefinch> ericsnow: I probably just missed a steo
[16:56] <natefinch> ste
[16:56] <natefinch> step
[16:56] <natefinch> arg...
[17:06] <ericsnow> natefinch: yeah, the repo did not have the web hook set up (I've added it)
[17:08] <natefinch> ericsnow: can you document the steps in the wiki?
[17:09] <ericsnow> natefinch: sure
[18:03] <natefinch> ericsnow: so, process server api in process/api/server.go?
[18:04] <ericsnow> natefinch: how about process/api/server/uniter.go
[18:04] <ericsnow> natefinch: params would live in process/api/params.go
[18:05] <natefinch> ericsnow: is there a reason to split out the params, server, and client stuff?  if each one is fairly simple and probably fits in a single file...
[18:06] <ericsnow> natefinch: my expectation is that it won't fit well in a single file
[18:06] <natefinch> ericsnow: ok
[19:43] <natefinch> ericsnow: when are those state functions getting merged into the feature branch?
[19:44] <ericsnow> natefinch: likely not before Monday
[19:44] <natefinch> ericsnow: ok
[20:21] <natefinch> this whole "duplicate every single struct in the API" thing gets really tiresome
[21:51] <mup> Bug #1469318 opened: apitserver: TestAgentConnectionsShutDownWhenStateDies takes > 30 seconds to run <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469318>


[00:04] <tony-smlr> SMLR is going live now!  Video http://youtu.be/6cDQjSKHKb8 - Audio http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[00:05] <tony-smlr> We are also chatting on #smlr
[14:06] <rick_h_> morning
[14:07] <rick_h_> heh, funny to see this in the JS weekly newsletter http://nathanleclaire.com/blog/2013/11/16/the-javascript-question-i-bombed-in-an-interview-with-a-y-combinator-startup/
[14:07] <rick_h_> seems something like https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/static/js/bookie/tagcontrol.js#L464 :)
[14:09] <cmaloney> heh
[14:09] <cmaloney> rick_h_: You're Y-combinator-startup-ready.
[14:09] <rick_h_> heh, I remember when I worked on that and took me a bit to get it right
[14:09] <cmaloney> To the HACKERNEWSMOBILE
[14:10] <rick_h_> hah!
[14:10] <rick_h_> I was thinking "All problems in all things occur in the Bookie universe!"
[14:10] <cmaloney> Yeah, because Bookie isn't a Todolist. ;)
[14:11] <cmaloney> And isn't JQuery-padded
[14:11] <rick_h_> hah, it's not a todo list...yet!
[14:11] <cmaloney> BookieList here we come
[14:14] <rick_h_> now that does sound like a betting website
[14:31] <waf> touch /srv/root/http/remember-to-buy-groceries
[14:31] <waf> bookmark that; todo list implemented.
[14:31] <rick_h_> :P
[14:45] <brousch> I want to turn it into a todo list, but rick_h_ wouldn't let me
[14:45] <rick_h_> I never let brousch do anything fun
[14:45] <brousch> Bookmark things with a todo tag, then remove the tag when it's done
[14:46] <rick_h_> crap, bookie is just a todo app! curses!
[14:46] <brousch> I still need something for my To-Read, To-Watch, and To-Listen lists like that
[14:58] <rick_h_> heh, dr who game in the google doodle on the uk site
[15:00] <jrwren> look at this BEAST https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/kudp1
[15:01] <rick_h_> yea, still no 12 or 13 laptop
[15:01] <rick_h_> I think they're confused on where the market is today
[15:09] <jrwren> agree.
[15:09] <jrwren> then again, they are such a niche market, that it may be the case that of ubuntu laptop buyers, many want a beast.
[15:10] <jrwren> that thing is actually awesome. I speced one out, with 2 - 1TB AND a 240G mSata and 16G ram, and the smallest i7, it was only $1600
[15:10] <jrwren> that is A LOT of laptop for the price.
[15:23] <rick_h_> heh, well come to a canonical sprint and you'll see 2/100 tanks like that
[15:24] <rick_h_> 40% thinkpad x2XX, 40% 13/12/11 macs, and 20% system 76, xps13, misc. And I can't think of many 17" ones in that group at all
[15:24] <rick_h_> ok, wtf...I just got an email from sourceforge that I've been selected to get a free 'Popular Science' magazine?!
[15:26] <jrwren> rick_h_: i hope you don't think that canonical sprinters are representative of all ubuntu users.
[15:26] <rick_h_> well it's a heavy ubuntu population :P
[15:26] <rick_h_> but yea, understand
[15:26] <jrwren> and hopefully a tiny sliver tiny fraction of the ubuntu population
[15:44] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Please forward that to me. I'd like to see it (the email)
[15:48] <rick_h_> cmaloney: forwarded
[15:55] <cmaloney> tx
[16:28] <jsivak> rick_h_: I'm looking at the Lenovo x230; you find any issues / problems with yours?
[16:30] <cmaloney> jsivak: Looking to downgrade the tank?
[16:32] <jsivak> looking for a smaller footprint (especially useful when travelling), but x230 *does* come with 16G of RAM. :)
[16:33] <cmaloney> Is that a datacenter in your man-purse or are you just happy to see me? :)
[16:34] <jsivak> That's no moon..   that's my laptop!
[16:34] <rick_h_> jsivak: I've got no issues other than the screen res
[16:35] <jsivak> Yeah, I saw the 1366 x 768.. didn't like that part.
[16:35] <rick_h_> the x240 with the higher res is rumored to be coming out next month
[16:35] <jsivak> Oh really..
[16:35] <rick_h_> so I'll be watching that, but other than that, no complaints
[16:35] <cmaloney> my laptop has it's own gravitational pull, and the CPU fan has been known to cause weather patterns to shift uncontrollably.
[16:35] <jsivak> rick_h_: this one? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x240/
[16:35] <cmaloney> Hasn't the x240 been the proverbial white whale laptop?
[16:36] <jsivak> .. it still has 1366x768.. :(
[16:36] <rick_h_> jsivak: http://www.designntrend.com/articles/8791/20131029/lenovo-thinkpad-x240-specs-price-release-info-touchscreen-edition-pushed-laptop-ultrabook.htm
[16:36] <rick_h_> jsivak: right, thus the 'Dec' rumor
[16:36] <cmaloney> blergh
[16:37] <cmaloney> stats or it didn't happen. ;)
[16:37] <greg-g> ugh, I'm not liking the new body on that ;/
[16:37] <greg-g> :/
[16:37] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's looking mighty cheap.
[16:37] <cmaloney> And the angle makes the touchpad look like it's falling out of the computer
[16:38] <cmaloney> like someone dropped it
[16:38] <jsivak> hmm.. can't get 16G on the x240.
[16:39] <jsivak> though at home I'd be hooking it up to a 22+" monitor.. so the 1366x768 res may not be *that* bad.
[16:39] <jsivak> my main issue is trying to use the t520 on a plane.. almost impossible.
[16:40] <jsivak> Plus, I'm trying to find an excuse to buy a new laptop so I can give my current one to my youngest daughter for Xmas
[16:43] <rick_h_> yea, I've got a pair of docsk if you want one
[16:43] <rick_h_> jsivak: that lets you do dual display out from the laotp
[16:43] <rick_h_> laptop
[16:43] <rick_h_> I don't use them now that I've got the desktop
[16:43] <greg-g> wiat wait....
[16:43] <greg-g> a pair? for what?
[16:43] <greg-g> which model?
[16:44] <rick_h_> x230, 220
[16:44] <greg-g> probably not compat with my x200s
[16:44] <greg-g> :(
[16:44]  * greg-g looks
[16:44] <greg-g> yeah, probably not
[16:45] <greg-g> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0047EGO6E/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[16:45] <greg-g> whats in my cart waiting to hit buy on
[16:46] <rick_h_> yea, I've used them for years as I've been laptop only
[16:47] <greg-g> me too, I've just been.... dumb
[16:47] <greg-g> mostly, it's so I can have the displayport for higher res external monitor
[16:48] <rick_h_> yea, I did displayport->DVI and DVI out
[16:48] <rick_h_> and now with the desktop I just use three displays on one machine bwuhahahaha
[16:48] <rick_h_> jsivak: so yea, if you're looking up upgrade I'd wait and see if the unicorn shows up next month
[16:49] <rick_h_> jsivak: but no issues here with my x230 and still love it and all.
[16:49] <rick_h_> jsivak: it'll do dual ssd (msata as a second one) so love the space, performance, etc
[16:56] <greg-g> I dislike the x230 keyboard, for what that's worth, jsivak (which is why I'm holding onto my x200s with my hands ever so tightly)
[16:56] <rick_h_> I don't think it's that bad. I do like the older style better, but it's been bearable for sure.
[16:57] <greg-g> luckily wherever I am near a monitor, I have a Kinesis. it's just the couch/coffee shop/transit time that makes me dislike the keyboard
[16:59] <jcastro> I have a dual DP/DVI version of that thinkpad dock
[16:59] <jcastro> http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Mini-Dock-Plus-USB/dp/B0085MQLGC/ref=pd_sim_e_3
[16:59] <jcastro> cheaper too
[17:06] <jrwren> *cough* mac book air
[17:11] <greg-g> jrwren: worst. keyboard. ever.
[17:11] <rick_h_> lol
[17:16] <jsivak> greg-g: yeah, the new keyboards looked 'less good'..
[17:18] <jsivak> rick_h_: for the desktop + 3 displays: did you use 3 display cards?
[17:18] <jsivak> I had bad luck with Xinerama support dying; so I ended up with a Matrox TripleHead2Go hardware solution
[17:20] <jsivak> rick_h_: forgot to ask, have you used the x230 on a plane? does it "fit" on the tray-table?
[17:21] <greg-g> jsivak: should, my x220 did
[17:22] <greg-g> I mean, with the usual caveat of when the person in front of you leans their seat back
[17:22] <greg-g> nothing fits
[17:22] <jsivak> ah, got it.. the t520 is definitely too big.
[17:35] <rick_h_> jsivak: yea, it does fit.
[17:35] <rick_h_> I tend to use my N10 though for the most part.
[17:36] <rick_h_> jsivak: no, for the 3 displays the card supports it. 660Ti
[17:55] <cmaloney> http://alekdarson.bandcamp.com/album/panopticon
[18:18] <rick_h_> jcastro: you get your N4 4.4 yet?
[18:18] <jrwren> greg-g: i assure you that macbookair keyboard is not worst ever.
[18:18] <jrwren> i'll agree that it is not good.
[18:20] <jcastro> rick_h_, no
[18:20] <rick_h_> jcastro: ah ok. Saw they had released it and it's out there.
[18:20] <jcastro> yeah
[18:20] <jcastro> it's staggered
[18:20] <jcastro> been manually checking
[18:20] <rick_h_> gotcha
[18:21] <greg-g> jrwren: it's in the running, at least ;)
[18:21] <rick_h_> I keep waiting for N10 2 news
[18:22] <jrwren> greg-g: on what are you typing?
[18:22] <rick_h_> jrwren: greg-g is a kenisis man
[18:22] <greg-g> diehard, in fact
[18:22] <rick_h_> hah
[18:23] <greg-g> :)
[18:53] <jrwren> anyone know where I can get an automake-1.12 package for 12.04? backports maybe?
[18:54] <jrwren> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=automake&searchon=names&suite=saucy&section=all
[18:54] <jrwren> it was never packaged in any release?   :)