[02:38] <markie-> so the other day, i was just walking down the street and dropped my keys, bends over to pick them up, as i was doing it i caught a man checking out my behind..
[05:22] <SuperMatt> fascinating story
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[17:34] <penguin42> has anyone roamed with 3 recently on PAYG - the 2 guys in the Three shop couldn't quite agree on what was supposed to happen
[17:40] <daftykins> heh
[17:41] <daftykins> do you have 'feel at home' ?
[17:42] <penguin42> I *think* so
[17:42] <daftykins> log into your account, might show up - i have a client with three right now and i think it shows up
[17:43] <daftykins> unless you avoided having the account with PAYG :>
[17:43] <penguin42> I think it does show up when I login; the qeustion was whether you need to do anything else - apparently at one point you had to convert PAYG to Addons for it to work, but they think that's no longer the case
[17:47] <daftykins> phone in? :>
[17:47] <daftykins> ooh i saw my first new nokia 3310 in Dixon's Travel at Stansted just earlier today, funky
[17:48]  * penguin42 guesses he'll find out in a couple of months when he travels
[17:49] <daftykins> client o' mine was hit by an outage across the whole of France on Wednesdayish which left him on his boat off the north coast unable to get a service XD
[17:50] <penguin42> ah yes I heard about that
[17:50]  * penguin42 is going to be in Prague for a couple of days near the end of October - that's about the limits of my travelling
[17:50] <daftykins> ooh
[17:58] <daftykins> tell you what's painful, i was just in England... 50p/MB data
[17:58] <daftykins> we're not in the EU (Guernsey)
[18:01] <penguin42> ouch
[20:12] <zmoylan-pi> probably don't even have ascii there yet... still on ebdic... :-P
[20:15] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: They use fieldata - smaller bytes for a smaller island
[20:16] <zmoylan-pi> this is a 7bit island and that's the ways we likes it... :-P
[21:07] <popey> penguin42: i have a 3 sim which i only top up before I go out of the country. I just topped it up and went, didn't buy any addons because I couldn't figure out how
[21:08] <popey> worked fine
[21:09] <penguin42> popey: Cool is that on 3-2-1 ?
[21:09] <popey> uh
[21:09] <popey> dunno
[21:10] <penguin42> and when you get somewhere-foreign what happens?  I couldn't find anything on the website; but the guy in the shop said that you get a text telling you which network you should be on
[21:11] <popey> i just enabled roaming data and off I went
[21:11] <penguin42> ok, thanks
[21:11] <penguin42> I used to be on T-mobile, theirs you got a text on landing saying something like 'go to this page and do this for 1 days/100MB data' at some silly amount (before the new rules)
[21:13] <popey> oooh
[21:13] <popey> logging into the my three website I see the "turn credit into an add-on" button i couldn't find before :)
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> is it there in all browsers? :-)
[21:14] <penguin42> popey: Ah now the guys in the shop were arguing about whether that was needed to roam on PAYG - but they checked their site and apparently not
[21:14] <popey> clearly not as I roamed last month without doing it
[21:14] <penguin42> popey: Thanks
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> i used to dread heading north when your phone jumped networks and data/calls/text went to silly money...
[21:57] <ali1234> 3 backend infrastructure is terrible
[21:57] <ali1234> their login is broken half the time
[21:57] <ali1234> but you can't beat their prices
[21:57] <penguin42> ali1234: My experience with T wasn't that much better
[21:57] <ali1234> well that's because of orange tbh
[21:57] <ali1234> they were good before they merged
[21:58] <ali1234> i currently have two 3 sims, one for the phone and one for the laptop
[21:59] <ali1234> but the laptop one i can't activate because their activation website is broken
[21:59] <ali1234> invalid security certificate, and if you set an exception it still doesn't work
[21:59] <penguin42> sounds about right
[22:00] <penguin42> ali1234: Of course the only thing worse than the website of the phone companies are the people in the shops
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> i believe the correct method is to hack their website and fix it. then send them an email explaining how you did and get arrested... :-P
[22:07] <penguin42> I think you mean 'an invoice'
[22:08] <penguin42> actually talking of infrastructure, I forced one of the guys in the shop to check their website;  I'm not quite sure how ancient their windows install on the shop machine is, but it seems to involve opening a citrix client and going to what looks like firefox labelled as something like 'online chat'  and then going to their own site
[22:08] <zmoylan-pi> then they set their rogue accountants on your account and you find a million wacky charges appearing forever...


[00:17] <gumer> hola que tal ...
[00:20] <gumer> Saludos desde Lima Perú
[00:25] <sarnold> hi gumer :)
[02:25] <Sublevel4> I have any issue that i am struggling to find out what the cause is, I have apache running on a machine. I can't get a response when I try to access it via IP address. I can ping it, I can get to another server that runs on a non standard port, I can get to other webservers on other computers on my network. I have confirmed apache is running.
[02:25] <Sublevel4> Localhost gives me a security risk but everything else I get "... .net took to long to respond".  Where do I even start?
[02:27] <NickH> I'd start by trying to telnet to the ip and port you exect it should be running on.
[02:27] <NickH> s/exect/expect
[02:30] <Sublevel4> it says connected
[02:31] <Sublevel4> on 80 and 443
[02:31] <NickH> Ok. So, I'd need checking the apache logs to look for errors about why it is not able to serve web pages.
[02:32] <NickH> s/need/next be
[02:34] <Sublevel4> there are 18 lines in the error log, what kind of thing am i looking for?
[02:36] <Sublevel4> access log has nothing
[02:38] <NickH> Try watching the error log: "tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log" while trying to load a page in your browser.
[02:44] <Sublevel4> it didn't add anything the last entry is at Thu Aug 17 17:15:43.008517 2023. there was this [Thu Aug 17 17:07:42.233663 2023] [ssl:warn] [pid 878] AH01909: Sublevel4:443:0 server certificate does NOT include an ID which matches the server name
[02:45] <Sublevel4> but that was ther a week ago and i could get to the site fine
[02:47] <NickH> Try changing the LogLevel in /etc/apach2/apache2.conf to debug. Don't forget to "systemctl reload apache2"
[02:47] <Sublevel4> there is this one as well - PHP Warning:  Module "imagick" is already loaded in Unknown on line 0
[02:47] <NickH> Ohh, hang on, so this worked a week ago?
[02:49] <Sublevel4> yes i had no issues as of last friday.
[02:50] <NickH> Ok, what what changed?
[02:55] <Sublevel4> on that computer nothing that I remember changing. On Saturday I had to change routers, but I am pretty sure it worked after that. Sunday It was not working and havent' been able to get to it sense. I can get to other servers within my network its just the one.
[03:19] <hyperedge> what package supplies modinfo command?
[03:20] <rbox> dpkg -S can tell you what package a file is from
[03:21] <hyperedge> I tried that, it says "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *modinfo*
[03:22] <rbox> a file contains a full path
[03:23] <hyperedge> With full path, this is the output. dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/modinfo
[03:24] <hyperedge> I am inside a container (I think). It is a rented system on the cloud. I want to run nvidia-smi, but it says Failed to initialize NVML: Driver/library version mismatch
[03:24] <hyperedge> I am just trying to check the kernel module version of nvidia drivers
[03:25] <rbox> if its not installed, apt-file will tell you what package ownss a file
[03:25] <rbox> you generally can't screw around with modules in a container
[03:29] <hyperedge> I tried that as well, just "apt-file search modinfo" gives 2000 results, "apt-file search /usr/bin/modinfo" gives 0 results.
[03:30] <oerheks> !find modinfo
[03:31] <oerheks> i bet bash-completion
[03:31] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion
[03:31] <oerheks> launchpad is a help, thanks Mark
[03:32] <hyperedge> Oh, ty ubottu, it's /sbin/modinfo I guess
[03:32] <hyperedge> The top level problem is that, I rented 4 GPUs on cloud and using tensorflow for training an ML model. All GPUs are visible to tensorflow and the distributed training works. But I don't think I am seeing speed improvements over a single GPU. I just want to see if all GPUs are loaded
[03:32] <oerheks> reducing the amount of typing sysadmins
[03:32] <oerheks>  and programmers need to do on a daily basis.
[03:32] <oerheks> lazy is gold
[03:33] <oerheks>  speed improvements over a single GPU ... on a cloud?
[03:33] <hyperedge> yeah, why not?
[03:33] <oerheks> that could contradict the 'cloud'
[03:34] <oerheks> why would you not have full power? bit per clockcycle?
[03:34] <hyperedge> well, cloud could mean numerous things.
[03:34] <oerheks> tenserflow internal is a drag, how do you solved that?
[03:35] <hyperedge> IDK, let's leave that (I guess). I want to run nvidia-smi. But ubuntu says this "Failed to initialize NVML: Driver/library version mismatch".
[03:35] <hyperedge> Can I do something to fix that?
[03:35] <oerheks> effin, more important issues than worrie about cpu config, you don't. exept in your AWS panel for example
[03:36] <oerheks> what are you trying to do?
[03:38] <oerheks> if i bing on that error ;  "Failed to initialize NVML: Driver/library version mismatch" then roll back to 470
[03:38] <oerheks> stable
[03:38] <hyperedge> Well, IDK if that's possible, I only have access to a container
[03:38] <oerheks> on what, docker?
[03:38] <hyperedge> vast.ai, IDK what container tech they use
[03:39] <oerheks> just a vpn?
[03:41] <hyperedge> They give me one ssh access and that directly puts me inside a container. Tensorflow usually reserves all VRAM at the start. If I see all GPUs loaded, I can be sure that I don't need any changes to my code. If all GPUs are not loaded, then I will have to modify the code I am using for training.
[03:42] <oerheks> Talk with them.
[03:42] <hyperedge> Alright, thanks for the time!
[03:42] <oerheks> yw
[04:07] <hyperedge> Can you guys help me find what version of nvidia drivers is being used? If I know that, I can install the corresponding nvidia-utils and get nvidia-smi to work.
[04:07] <akik> hyperedge: modinfo nvidia |less
[04:07] <oerheks> ubuntu-drivers list
[04:09] <hyperedge> well, that's how it all started. modinfo is not present in the container I am in
[04:09] <oerheks> or   lshw -numeric -C display
[04:09] <hyperedge> i installed kmod
[04:10] <hyperedge> now it says "modinfo: ERROR: Module alias list not found."
[04:10] <oerheks> just passthrough
[04:10] <akik> hyperedge: a container uses the host's kernel
[04:10] <oerheks> another not understanding of container; why would it need drivers?
[04:12] <hyperedge> Ok, let's start over. I am inside a container. I type nvidia-smi, it says Failed to initialize NVML: Driver/library version mismatch. What should I do?
[04:12] <rbox> cry/
[04:12] <hyperedge> very helpful. Thanks
[04:13] <akik> hyperedge: you should share the nvidia device file from the host into the container
[04:14] <hyperedge> You mean the files inside /sys or /dev etc? Those things are shared, I can access the GPUs inside the container.
[04:15] <akik> hyperedge: the error says something about a library version mismatch
[04:15] <hyperedge> If you meant the driver files (/lib etc), I cannot do that as I don't have access to the host.
[04:16] <hyperedge> akik, well, that's what I have been saying from the start. If I know what version of nvidia drivers are being used, I can install the corresponding nvidia-utils inside container and run the command
[04:16] <hyperedge> atleast, that was my line of thinking
[04:17] <akik> hyperedge: you missed a lot of details from the start
[04:17] <hyperedge> let me know whatever details you want, i can share it
[04:18] <akik> hyperedge: ask your sysadmin to provide the host side details
[04:18] <oerheks> in your panel, i guess
[04:18] <oerheks> +1
[04:19] <oerheks> just run your database/service, hardening is done by them.
[04:19] <akik> hyperedge: you can try dmesg
[04:20] <hyperedge> Well, this is all I see in the panel oerhks (along with ip etc). https://0x0.st/HL_i.png
[04:20] <hyperedge> dmesg operation not permitted
[04:21] <akik> hyperedge: ok contact your sysadmin/provider
[04:21] <oerheks>  4090 on a container,..
[04:22] <oerheks> do you calculate sunflares?
[04:23] <hyperedge> :)
[04:24] <oerheks> my co worker is rolling over the ground
[04:24] <oerheks> seriously, have fun!
[04:24] <hyperedge> I am bleeding money, if all 4 GPUs are not being used, I have to switch to a single GPU
[04:28] <akik> hyperedge: btw what is that service provider with that big servers?
[04:30] <hyperedge> akik it's vast.ai
[04:31] <hyperedge> They are very cheap too...
[04:31] <akik> hyperedge: they have a chat at https://vast.ai/ page ask them
[04:32] <oerheks> one can a doom server on it. more accounts than people living on earht.
[04:32] <akik> discord info here https://vast.ai/docs/overview/introduction
[04:32] <akik><EMAIL_ADDRESS>e-mail
[04:32] <oerheks> twice, says john
[04:32] <oerheks> hahahahaha
[04:36] <hyperedge> yeah, i did ask in discord, no comments yet.
[04:36] <hyperedge> one person just said "it's a version mismatch between nvidia-utils and the driver module"
[04:36] <hyperedge> like duh
[04:37] <oerheks> ,,
[05:20] <Yakov> I need widget for Ubuntu which can shot few different time zones
[05:20] <Yakov> to be located near language and battery icons
[05:20] <Yakov> also Need temperature widget, if there is one widget to cover this all would be awesome
[06:05] <Tehdastehdas> How to view reviews in Snap Store? How to edit my review?
[06:57] <lucifer_> hii
[06:57] <lucifer_> friends
[07:00] <rfm> Tehdastehdas, maybe #snappy might care about those questions, I doubl #ubuntu does
[07:16] <Tehdastehdas> Thanks rfm . They sent me to #ubuntu-desktop .
[09:10] <al_> hi
[09:42] <MarvinMartian> hello
[09:42] <MarvinMartian> I need some assistance with "make"
[09:43] <MarvinMartian> I'm trying to manually build a cpp project from git, but but make tried running node
[09:43] <MarvinMartian> I purged node and npm, and now I'm getting an error
[09:43] <MarvinMartian> make
[09:44] <MarvinMartian> "/usr/bin/env: ‘node’: No such file or directory"
[10:37] <messenger> The Lord Jesus Christ Already treat you with healthy body without ( AIDS ) , if your still an asshole than you deserve it ... .
[11:02] <Lope> Fun challenge I used to be a brute and would disable my devices using automatic DHCP DNS servers, instead I found ways to override with <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> instead of allowing ISP's crappy DNS server to be used etc.
[11:03] <Lope> So I did something to this Ubuntu 22.04 installation but can't remember what I did.
[11:03] <Lope> Now I run my own DHCP and DNS server (working perfectly on all my other Linux and Android devices)
[11:03] <Lope> But this system isn't taking my DNS server or DNS search domain.
[11:04] <Lope> `nmcli show` shows that it's using <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:04] <Lope> NetworkManager manages the wifi connection.
[11:04] <Lope> I've removed and added the wifi network fresh, didn't touch anything about the connection.
[11:04] <marcoagpinto> how do I install MySQL in Ubuntu?
[11:04] <Lope> I've got nothing configured in any file/dir inside /etc/NetworkManager
[11:06] <Lope> /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf and it's showing nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> \n options edns0 trust-ad \n search example2.org
[11:06] <Lope> /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf is almost identical./
[11:06] <Lope> Everything in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf is commented out.
[11:07] <Lope> I've tried various suggestions in /etc/nsswitch.conf, no dice.
[11:07] <Lope> I've restarted the systemd-resolved (and it is running without errors) and disconnected/reconnected from WiFi every time I've changed any setting in hopes that it starts working, but thus far no dice.
[11:24] <Lope> Somehow I accidentally left my old DHCP server running and it was competing with the new one. For some unknown reason this particular system in question was the only one that arbitrarily used the old DHCP server.
[11:24] <Lope> Sorted.
[11:24] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: this seems like a simple question, i would assume a web search would answer quickly. but maybe you did not know the package name? the package is called mysql-server
[11:24] <JanC> Lope: it will use the first one to answer
[11:25] <JanC> so probably it was "closest"
[11:25] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: it is not for me, it is for a friend in another network
[11:25] <Lope> I guess the latency is different for different clients then, yes.
[11:25] <Lope> All sub 1 ms
[11:25] <Lope> but hehe, a win is a win.
[11:26] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: sudo apt-get mysql-server
[11:26] <marcoagpinto> ?
[11:26] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: yes, that should work.
[11:27] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[11:27] <Lope> JanC, I had accidentally left my old DHCP server stopped but not disabled. So after a reboot they were competing, unknown to me.
[11:27] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: you're welcome. it's usually best for them (and us) when people seeking support join here themselves.
[11:27] <JanC> you're not the first to have that happen to them  :)
[11:28] <Lope> Many days later, 10,000 context switches and lots of tremendously late nights and various life stresses all competing as well.
[11:28] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:28] <Lope> uhuh.
[11:28] <Lope> Next time I'll disable the fuckers.
[11:28] <marcoagpinto> I don't know if he speaks English
[11:28] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:28] <Lope> Just to be extra "stopped"
[11:28] <Lope> In case I forget.
[11:29] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: note there are non english ubuntu channels, too.
[11:29] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[11:29] <marcoagpinto> I didn't know :p
[13:22] <lbuntu> hello
[13:22] <lbuntu> is there someone?
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> !ask | lbuntu
[13:23] <throwthecheese> Can anybody provide me with Lomiri binaries for 22.04?
[13:23] <lbuntu> exit
[13:31] <leftyfb> throwthecheese: lomiri isn't supported here. It looks like a dead project in fact. Feel free to ask for help here: https://forums.ubports.com/
[13:34] <Sublevel4> If i have removed and reinstalled apache and I still don't get a response when I try to access via localhost or the IP of the machine running apache. where do I look next?
[13:34] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: logs
[13:35] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/viewing-and-monitoring-log-files#1-overview
[13:36] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: https://betterstack.com/community/guides/logging/how-to-control-journald-with-journalctl/
[13:36] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-troubleshoot-common-apache-errors
[13:42] <Sublevel4> there are two lines in the access log. ::1 - - [18/Aug/2023:09:33:58 -0400] "-" 408 0 "-" "-"
[13:42] <Sublevel4> ::1 - - [18/Aug/2023:09:33:58 -0400] "-" 408 0 "-" "-" and two in the error log - AH00489: Apache/2.4.52 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming normal operations - AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2'
[13:43] <leftyfb> !paste | Sublevel4
[13:43] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: I would start with the apache2 journal log to make sure apache is running
[13:43] <Sublevel4> ok sorry
[13:58] <webchat3> During installation of Ubuntu Server with subiquity and attaching Ubuntu Pro can the installation be hardened during install?
[13:59] <leftyfb> webchat3: sure, don't install ssh
[13:59] <leftyfb> webchat3: beyond that, no. That is up to you
[14:00] <Sublevel4> leftyfb I have gone through all the "Troubleshoot Common Apache Errors" with no luck. I am trying to figure out the journalctl now
[14:01] <webchat3> I mean can usg be used to harden by applying a profile like cis_level1_server or cis_level2_server when installing Ubuntu Server?
[14:02] <webchat3> So it applies the appropriate rules during installation making the necessary alterations so it comes out hardened following installation? Think something similar to applying a security profile during installation like RHEL does.
[14:02] <tomreyn> webchat3: i would think you need to do so post-install, and likely post reboot
[14:03] <webchat3> That's a pretty big period non-hardened!
[14:03] <tomreyn> webchat3: but that's a question better asked in #ubuntu-server with the respective team
[14:03] <webchat3> Switching to #ubuntu-server
[14:12] <ayjay_t> hey so, i had been using bluetoothctl but its suddently stopped work.
[14:14] <ayjay_t> working* br-connection-adapter-not-powered
[14:15] <ayjay_t> power on fails
[14:16] <ayjay_t> systemd is fine, hcitool shows no devices
[14:29] <ayjay_t> niiiightmare
[14:40] <ayjay_t> wow it was softblocked? i dont even know what that is or why it would be softblocked... if anyone has any insight, id appreciate it
[14:42] <Sublevel4> Leftyfb: the result of journalctl since last boot
[14:42] <Sublevel4> -- Boot c7506191b4984090a0f36e954a017b01 --
[14:42] <Sublevel4> Aug 18 07:58:29 sublevel4-ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server...
[14:42] <Sublevel4> Aug 18 07:58:51 sublevel4-ubuntu systemd[1]: Started The Apache HTTP Server.
[14:42] <Sublevel4> Aug 18 09:16:36 sublevel4-ubuntu systemd[1]: Stopping The Apache HTTP Server...
[14:42] <Sublevel4> Aug 18 09:16:36 sublevel4-ubuntu systemd[1]: apache2.service: Deactivated successfully.
[14:42] <leftyfb> !paste | Sublevel4
[14:48] <Sublevel4> leftyfb: I hope I did this right. the log https://pastebin.com/raw/2PuACkyr
[14:49] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: do you have a firewall installed/enabled? Is this on a public machine? A hosted machine?
[14:50] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: also, are you trying to access https://localhost or http://localhost?
[14:50] <Sublevel4> Leftyfb: not that i know of. No its is inside my local network and right now not accessible outside.
[14:52] <Sublevel4> Leftyfb: i have tried both. https give me refused to connect and HTTP takes forever then says it timed out
[14:54] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: ( sudo lsof -i :80 ; sudo lsof -i :443 ; cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ; sudo iptables -L -n ; sudo ufw status ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:00] <Sublevel4> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/bdrc
[15:01] <leftyfb> looks like apache is running and no firewall rules.
[15:02] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: curl -s -o /dev/null -w '%{http_code}' http://localhost
[15:03] <Sublevel4> 200
[15:04] <leftyfb> that means it's working
[15:07] <Sublevel4> leftyfb: thank you for your help. where should I look next?
[15:07] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: what is the issue again?
[15:07] <leftyfb> curl can hit it just fine
[15:09] <Sublevel4> when i try to access via ip or localhost I get nothing times out or can't connect.
[15:10] <Sublevel4> leftyfb: i can reach another server that runs on a different port but nothing for the webserver
[15:10] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: which browser? Do you have a proxy or something configured or the browser? adblock? plugins?
[15:11] <leftyfb> Sublevel4: try a different browser
[15:13] <Sublevel4> Leftyfb: i have tried chrome and firefox on that machine as well as chrome, firefox and Safari on other machines that are local with the same results. maybe I need to wipe it clean and start over, ugh.
[15:28] <throwthecheese> Can anybody provide me with Lomiri binaries for 22.04? I saw that 23.04 and up provides Lomiri in universe and I would really like to have a touch-friendly DE with decent global menus
[15:52] <tomreyn> throwthecheese: you could look for a PPA providing any, or build them yourself. Or ask in #ubports
[16:02] <xamindar> has anyone had issues with libreoffice on Ubuntu? It opens and performs copy-paste functions sxcruciatingly slow. Also, it can not write to my ~/ direcvtory, but it CAN write to any subdirectories. Really strange and not working correctly.
[16:03] <xamindar> i've done nothing besides install it so this apprears to be an incorrect default setup. or I
[16:03] <xamindar> I'm missing something else
[16:05]  * unkn0wn how to set auto completion on terminal ubuntu?
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> unkn0wn: is TAB what you are looking for to autocomplete?
[16:09] <unkn0wn> lotuspsychje: like kali linux
[16:11] <unkn0wn> lotuspsychje: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1297969/what-tool-do-i-need-to-install-to-make-my-terminal-show-the-autocompletion-of-th
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> unkn0wn: the volunteers can only support ubuntu and its !flavours here
[16:26] <iconoclasthero> I have an install of 23.04 which i installed by $ sudo do-release-upgrade from 22.10
[16:28] <iconoclasthero> i am getting messages saying that my 32 GB / partition is full (I have a separate /home and /library, the latter for media files, etc.).  the 32 gb / drive has only the OS and related stuff like /var/log, etc.
[16:28] <iconoclasthero> when I do sudo du -sh, it shows 22 GB
[16:29] <iconoclasthero> is there somewhere I should look for files left over from e.g., the upgrade from 22.10 to 23.04?
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> iconoclasthero: to cleanup your system you could use stacer or bleachbit, see if you can find the bottleneck
[16:32] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/9pZduMup
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> iconoclasthero: how much space did you have originaly on your 21.10 system?
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> 22.10 sorry
[16:34] <iconoclasthero> i didn't change the size when i did the release upgrade
[16:35] <iconoclasthero> i'm looking at gparted and it says 34.18 GB
[16:35] <iconoclasthero> 32.87 used
[16:36] <iconoclasthero> stacer says there's 1.6 GB in application cache, the largest being ccache with ca. 500 MB
[16:36] <iconoclasthero> google chrome has 500 mb
[16:36] <iconoclasthero> but chrome is on /home
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> what about autoremove, does apt ask for it iconoclasthero ?
[16:39] <iconoclasthero> It may, but when I upgrade, I use this alias: alias upgrade='screen -m bash -c '\''sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade -y ; sudo apt autoremove -y ; sudo apt clean'\'''
[16:39] <iconoclasthero> so it should be clean
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> iconoclasthero: try gnomes internal baobab to detail up your 34GB partition
[16:42] <iconoclasthero> well... it says 18.? GB used
[16:42] <iconoclasthero> but it won't let me run it as sudo
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> baobab is gui iconoclasthero dont run that as root
[16:43] <iconoclasthero> then how does it calculate the directories that i can't access as a normal user
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> iconoclasthero: try something cli as disk analyzer
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> !info ncdu
[16:46] <iconoclasthero> i have ncdu
[16:47] <iconoclasthero> it says 22 GB run as sudo
[16:48] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/ucitZyHf
[16:49] <iconoclasthero> ^-- $ sudo ncdu --exclude /home --exclude /library
[16:50] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/eJUSZB71
[16:50] <iconoclasthero> ^--lsblk
[16:54] <iconoclasthero> what about moving /snap onto a separate partition?
[16:55] <iconoclasthero> that will at least give me space and i don't have to move everything around to give / more space
[16:57] <iconoclasthero> /usr/lib is the biggest directory.
[16:58] <iconoclasthero> and looking at a 22.04 install, there are some big differences
[16:59] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/G8EvnwDx <22.04
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> scan the whole thing with bleachbit
[16:59] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/XJbAEdHw <23.10
[17:00] <iconoclasthero> what are options for $ sudo bleachbit
[17:00] <iconoclasthero> oh, i can't
[17:00] <iconoclasthero> run as sudo
[17:04] <iconoclasthero> bleachbit https://imgur.com/a/0v6VISt
[17:07] <iconoclasthero> delete system/cache + system/localizations = 1.35 GB; delete APT/package lists  = 0.5 GB
[17:08] <mzoku> how is youtube-dl on ubuntu 22 or yt-dlp?
[17:18] <iconoclasthero> youtube-dl worked last time i used it
[17:20] <mzoku> thanks
[17:21] <iconoclasthero> $ youtube-dl -x --audio-qualit=0 --audio-format opus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTvT4JNACss
[17:21] <iconoclasthero> worked fine
[17:21] <iconoclasthero> $ youtube-dl --version 2021.12.17
[17:23] <iconoclasthero> mzoku, $ youtube-dl --list-extractors
[17:23] <iconoclasthero> is interesting
[17:25] <mzoku> great, on ubuntu 20 with youtube-dl there was a probkem with very slow dw speeds and it was because of the ffmpeg imcopatibility
[17:26] <mzoku> yeah, it is interesting, thanks :)
[17:27] <mzoku> --list-extractors
[17:28] <iconoclasthero> i buld my own ffmpeg and hadn't noticed a problem but i generally use it as a one-off so time isn't terribly important.
[17:28] <mzoku> --extractor-descriptions
[17:29] <mzoku> good for you
[17:30] <mzoku> have you or anyone else heard recently problems with dummy output on huawei d15? on ubuntu 20 there was no drivers, and I hoped with the nwe kernal versions and ubuntu 22 I will get sound
[17:31] <webchat32> Hello I am new here.
[17:31] <iconoclasthero> mzoku, fwiw, i tried to follow the download instructions from https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
[17:32] <iconoclasthero> namely sudo curl -L https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl -o /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
[17:32] <iconoclasthero> and what i got was a short script that says...
[17:32] <iconoclasthero> ll
[17:32] <mzoku> thats how i download it with curl from github
[17:33] <mzoku> yep
[17:33] <iconoclasthero> i get Access denied:   Due to a <a href="https://openjur.de/u/2466945.html" target="_blank">ruling</a> of the Hamburg Regional Court, access to this website is blocked.
[17:33] <iconoclasthero> wget gives me: 2023-08-18 13:33:04 ERROR 451: Unavailable For Legal Reasons.
[17:34] <webchat32> I want to know how to downgrade ubuntu version 23.04 to 22.04? Can anyone explain me the process. I need help here.
[17:34] <leftyfb> webchat32: you don't
[17:34] <leftyfb> webchat32: you install 22.04 from scratch
[17:34] <iconoclasthero> reinstall 22.04 and stick with LTS from now on
[17:35] <webchat32>  no i do not know the process it automatically updated.
[17:35] <leftyfb> no it doesn't
[17:36] <iconoclasthero> you somehow did a $ do-release-upgrade
[17:36] <iconoclasthero> either from cli or from the gui
[17:36] <leftyfb> webchat32: ubuntu will never upgrade releases automatically. You had to have clicked through the process
[17:36] <mzoku> it geolocation thing
[17:36] <webchat32> i went to tech he install it but he does not off update
[17:37] <leftyfb> webchat32: install Ubuntu 22.04 from scratch
[17:37] <webchat32> how will i do it?
[17:37] <webchat32> i use dual boot with windows.
[17:37] <iconoclasthero> i'm in the US...
[17:37] <iconoclasthero> download 22.04 and put it on a USB stick and install it like you did last time
[17:38] <iconoclasthero> just boot up the USB and follow the prompts.
[17:38] <leftyfb> webchat32: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-dual-boot-windows-10-and-ubuntu-linux-dual-booting-tutorial/
[17:38] <iconoclasthero> if you don't want to lose your /home info, and /home isn't on a separate partiton, don't tell it to format the partition
[17:42] <raub1> Does anyone know how to force screen (and tmux) to read the .profile/.bash_profile/.bashrc when I start it?
[17:42] <raub1> (I use both, so...)
[17:53] <iconoclasthero> why do you think screen doesn't read those files?
[17:54] <iconoclasthero> raub1?
[17:55] <iconoclasthero> when i hit screen, I have my same prompt and all my aliases
[17:57] <iconoclasthero> rabu1: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/622477/running-screen-and-immediately-run-other-commands
[17:57] <leftyfb> raub1: all of those get loaded when opening a new bash shell, regardless if it's a TTY or multiplexer
[18:01] <raub1> iconoclasthero: I have my .profile to load .bashrc which in turn set the prompt. When I run screen the propmpt I set is not shown
[18:03] <iconoclasthero> are you sure you're in bash when you run screen?
[18:05] <iconoclasthero> what happens if you run screen bash -i ?
[18:05] <raub1> iconoclasthero: Just checked. echo $SHELL claims it is /bin/sh, which in turn is an alias to bash
[18:06] <raub1> iconoclasthero: I was just reading the link you provided
[18:07] <iconoclasthero> well, if I do which sh on 23.04, I see that there's /usr/bin/sh and /bin/sh.  those are simlinked to dash
[18:08] <raub1> Actually my issue is not in ubuntu; I just thought my question was generic enough
[18:10] <iconoclasthero> i see, what happesn if you run $ screen bash -i
[18:11] <raub1> Lemme try
[18:12] <raub1> That does the trick!
[18:13] <raub1> But CTRL-A C does not. Fun
[18:14] <raub1> (As in creating another session within screen)
[18:16] <iconoclasthero> could your screen be aliased?
[18:16] <iconoclasthero> $ type screen
[18:17] <raub1> it says screen is /usr/bin/screen
[18:17] <iconoclasthero> https://serverfault.com/questions/126009/how-do-i-ask-screen-to-behave-like-a-standard-bash-shell
[18:17] <iconoclasthero> and whats in ~/.screenrc
[18:19] <raub1> iconoclasthero: https://paste.centos.org/view/b6cd349a (I like the colours used in their pastebin)
[18:20] <iconoclasthero> try moving that to e.g., ~.screenrc ; run screen ; see what happens
[18:20] <raub1> I guess my hardstatus string is boink?
[18:20] <iconoclasthero> i don't know what all of that is, but i don't have a .screenrc
[18:20] <iconoclasthero> so it apparently isn't necessary
[18:21] <iconoclasthero> https://www.kilobitspersecond.com/2014/02/10/understanding-gnu-screens-hardstatus-strings/
[18:21] <raub1> Lemme try that
[18:22] <iconoclasthero> ~/ $ mv .screenrc ~.screenrc
[18:22] <iconoclasthero> or mv ~/.screenrc ~/~.screenrc
[18:23] <raub1> I just realized I need to reprase my question: I use the "caption always" to define the window captions, so I know which host I am on which session
[18:24] <raub1> But, it reads the prompt, hence the original question
[18:24] <raub1> Anyway, back to screen
[18:25] <iconoclasthero> i'd look here: https://serverfault.com/questions/126009/how-do-i-ask-screen-to-behave-like-a-standard-bash-shell
[18:25] <iconoclasthero> anyway, good luck, i need to get going
[18:26] <raub1> Will do. And thanks. My google-fu is crap today
[18:26] <leftyfb> raub1: does running screen open /bin/bash if you don't have your custom .screenrc ?
[18:27] <leftyfb> because a stock Ubuntu 22.04 will run everything perfectly fine without a custom .screenrc
[18:28] <leftyfb> in fact, I tried the .screenrc you pastebin'd and it's working with that just fine as well
[18:28] <leftyfb> raub1: you got something screwy with your shell configs somewhere. You shouldn't be load /bin/sh as your shell anywhere
[18:29] <mzoku> how to grep [12:39:49] Possible rootkits: 1, from the rkhunter log? (probably false positive but yet) when I grep warnings it doesn't show anything important (apart from No mail-on-warning address configured)
[18:29] <raub1> leftyfb: the machine in question has a lot of wrongness. I really want to kill it but righ tnow I have to put up with it until I can build a replacement
[18:29] <throwthecheese> Any idea why am I getting an error from ld about fakeroot-sysv?
[18:29] <leftyfb> raub1: sounds like you're fighting a losing battle
[18:30] <throwthecheese> For context: I'm trying to build lomiri-ui-toolkit on 22.04
[18:30] <raub1> With that said "defshell" from the last url solved my original issue.
[18:31] <throwthecheese> On a virtual machine as I don't have enough space on my actual setup
[18:31] <raub1> leftyfb: my estimate is that it will take easily 6 months to get rid of all the crappy hosts here. I started a doc to find who runs which services and amd slowly populating it s I go. So, yes, rather frustrating indeed
[18:32] <leftyfb> throwthecheese: you do realize the project hasn't seen an update in 8 months right?
[18:37] <throwthecheese> tbh the only reason I'm trying to set up Lomiri is that it has both native touchscreen support and global menus
[18:37] <leftyfb> throwthecheese: you really need to seek support with it from the uports forums I linked you to earlier
[18:38] <throwthecheese> My current setup on my tab is XFCE with really clunky hacks
[18:39] <throwthecheese> * to make the touchscreen and stylus work
[18:39] <leftyfb> throwthecheese: https://forums.ubports.com/
[18:45] <throwthecheese> brb
[19:00] <throwthecheese> Tried the unity7 package from the 22.04 repos and was disappointed
[19:01] <throwthecheese> My tabet screen didn't rotate automatically and the touchscreen misbehaves after manual rotation
[19:56] <wasd> Hey, I'm getting an issue "ubuntu 22.04 has experienced an internal error". relating to xfce4-power-manager segfaulting. Do you know where crash report puts the core dump?
[19:58] <PeGaSuS> probably /var/crash?
[19:58] <wasd> PeGaSuS: looks like it. Thanks :)
[19:59] <PeGaSuS> you're welcome :D
[20:00] <darkdrgn2k> hi all, im missing the dm-crypt modules from the -kvm kernels
[20:00] <darkdrgn2k> is there any way to copy them from anotehr package? generic is VERY big
[20:01] <elias_a> This reminds me that I have not examined why the fingerprint reader of my thinkpad t450s won't some times wake up when login is required.
[20:02] <elias_a> Very irregular behaviour - cannot see any pattern.
[20:02] <sarnold> darkdrgn2k: check the modules-extra package for your kernel -- you can't copy modules around, you have to use the exact modules built for your exact module
[20:03] <elias_a> Someone gave advice on which log contains the stuff related to activation of fingerprint but I've forgotten it. Any hints?
[20:06] <sarnold> elias_a: I've got a few guesses! :) journalctl, journalctl --user, /var/log/syslog, ~/.xsession-errors
[20:06] <elias_a> sarnold: Wow! Thank you! No sleep tonight! :P
[20:08] <sarnold> :D
[20:12] <elias_a> sarnold: I really have to dig a little this.  :P
[20:12] <sarnold> *CRUSH*
[20:13] <wasd> Is it possible to get the debug symbols for ubuntu packages to use with gdb? I'm unlikely to get very far trying to fault find in assembler
[20:18] <sarnold> wasd: if you're on a newer release, debuginfod exists; there's also ddebs.ubuntu.com
[20:18] <sarnold> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-debuginfod
[20:18] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[20:19] <wasd> sarnold: thanks. Looks like this is what I was looking for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[20:19] <sarnold> yup :)
[20:19] <sarnold> debuginfod will probably be more reliable, ddebs is frustratingly fragile :(
[20:21] <wasd> sarnold: according to the first link, I should already have it enabled due to using gdb! thanks, I'll have another look why it's not prompting for the debug symbol download.
[20:24] <wasd> sarnold: Aha, "From Kinetic onwards". I'll follow the manual instructions for debuginfod. thanks again :)
[20:24] <sarnold> wasd: happy debugging :)
[20:31] <darkdrgn2k> there are no extra modules for kvm
[20:36] <sarnold> darkdrgn2k: oh, interesting :/
[20:37] <darkdrgn2k> has one for azure and all the other flavours just not kvm
[20:39] <darkdrgn2k> what the diff between azure and gcs and the others
[20:40] <sarnold> the different clouds ask for different configurations, there's no easy way to know what exactly the differences are
[20:44] <JanC> most likely the "extra modules" are not needed for kvm?
[20:48] <sarnold> perhaps; I thought I'd heard that the only real difference between generic and kvm is that generic flushes data every five seconds and kvm flushes every thirty seconds, but (a) there's zero chance I could find that reference again (b) diffing the kernels is basically impossible so I'm not going to try
[20:55] <darkdrgn2k> so the azure kernel has dm-crypt
[20:55] <darkdrgn2k> not the kvm one :(
[20:59] <c0ld5n4p> is there any arguments i can add to DD command to get some sort of status / progress indication when running DD on a large source drive??
[21:00] <sarnold> yeah
[21:01] <sarnold> try adding status=progress
[21:02] <c0ld5n4p> ok and then prob a dumb question but other then file count / size is there a way to run a check on the ISO output to confirm it copied everything correctly or made a proper like for like img?
[21:03] <mzoku> I wonder what could go wrong if I dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nvram, I need to reset the bios passowrd. Anyone have had issues with modprobe nvram?
[21:04] <sarnold> that's a challenging one to answer; if the original drive works well enough and is a mounted filesystem, you could use find and sha256sum to build a file list with checksums, and then you could use sha265sum -c  to validate the destination
[21:04] <sarnold> mzoku: i've never tried but my guesses are (a) that's dangerous (b) wouldn't accomplish what you want to do anyway
[21:05] <sarnold> mzoku: google around for bios unlock codes, some people have websites that host apps that help you generate reset codes
[21:05] <mzoku> sarnold, there is python scripts that do the work, but not for my laptop ... why is it dangerous?
[21:06] <sarnold> mzoku: I don't know what configuration is stored in that space, so overwriting it with something else runs the risk of breaking whatever it is that relies on the space
[21:11] <mzoku> yeah
[21:12] <elias_a> Why cannot I kill qbittorrent? After sudo killall qbittorrent I still get a pid number with pgrep qbittorrent.
[21:12] <mzoku> how can i read this file zero?
[21:13] <sarnold> elias_a: programs can block or ignore or handle and do nothing with almost all the signals
[21:13] <mzoku> elias_a, because perhaps there is a temp file in tmp or var/tmp that is still using it
[21:13] <sarnold> elias_a: if you send a SIGKILL signal specifically, that one cannot be caught and will almost certainly do the job. try sudo killall -9 qbittorrent
[21:14] <sarnold> elias_a: I don't know if pgrep will return zombies or not, but there's a (VERY SMALL) possibility that your qbittorrent process is a zombie and waiting for its parent to reap it
[21:15] <sarnold> oh nice, pgrep -r  can select runstates :D
[21:15] <mzoku> I just cat dev/zero with no output and vents and temp are going crazy
[21:16] <sarnold> that'll probably run one, maybe two, CPU cores at full speed, yes
[21:16] <elias_a> Thanks sarnold and mzoku - I'll get this solved later which is tomorrow. Midnight here. :P
[21:16] <sarnold> gn8 elias_a :)
[21:17] <mzoku> how many zeroez there is in this zero file :D
[21:17] <sarnold> all the zeros
[22:17] <darkdrgn2k> is it possible to make a ubuntu install boot in single user mode
[22:31] <c0ld5n4p> sarnold: thank you Find check sum I will read up more on that thats an interesting idea.
[22:32] <c0ld5n4p> is there anything in ubuntu that is able to open / view SWIM files or does that require a windows environment to open in an archive manager of some type?
[22:56] <sarnold> darkdrgn2k: systemctl set-default rescue.target  would make it permanent, until you change it back to graphical.target
[22:57] <sarnold> darkdrgn2k: if you just want it for one boot, youcould add systemd.unit=rescue.target to the kernel command line
[22:58] <sarnold> c0ld5n4p: try this: find . -type f -exec sha256sum {} \; | sha256sum -c
[22:59] <c0ld5n4p> sarnold: will do thank you. going into a meeting now will hope to attempt this in a few hours
[22:59] <sarnold> c0ld5n4p: cool :) have fun
[23:07] <darojatun> kkmkm
[23:12] <causative> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXW3c5Z6UQ0
[23:13] <tomreyn> causative: please do not post off-topic content to this channel again.
[23:14] <causative> oh sorry wrong channel
[23:16] <diamat_> tomreyn, come on
[23:16] <diamat_> he's just posting a nice song
[23:16] <diamat_> relax a bit
[23:29] <acu> does anyone have a suggestion for server vulnerability scanners (open source)
[23:31] <diamat_> acu, try metasploit
[23:47] <tomreyn> acu: openvas


[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[15:49] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[20:11] <johnjohn101> hi #ubuntu+1
[20:13] <lordievader> o/
[20:13] <Daekdroom> Hello.
[20:13] <johnjohn101> anything new i should be looking for?  I've updated the daily and it looks like 14.04 :)


[12:52] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1827 herd-3/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py):
[12:52] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * New partitioner: Fix a crash if the edit dialog is OKed with neither
[12:52] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  method nor mountpoint changed.
[01:05] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1828 herd-3/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtkui.py):
[01:05] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * GTK frontend: Fix re-raising of exceptions to (a) work and (b) interact
[01:05] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  properly with apport's Python hook.
[01:06] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1829 herd-3/debian/ (changelog rules):
[01:06] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * Quick hack to avoid updating the initramfs when calling
[01:06] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  console-setup.postinst from within ubiquity.
[01:20] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1831 herd-3/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.3.16
[01:28] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1829 ubiquity/ (6 files in 4 dirs): merge from herd-3 branch
[01:31] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1830 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.3.17
[04:33] <poningru> does the new partitioning tool have a name?
[04:33] <poningru> cjwatson: ^^^
[04:33] <poningru> need info for the herd 3 release notes
[05:34] <poningru> no one?
[09:09] <cjwatson> poningru: no; but you don't need to write anything about that, I'll fill it in provided you're doing it on the wiki
[09:10] <cjwatson> poningru: (hint: I'm on London time so don't expect answers at 3:30am)
[09:10] <poningru> ooh k copying to wiki now
[09:10] <poningru> ah sorry :)
[09:10] <poningru> thanks
[09:11] <poningru> ok
[09:12] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd3
[09:14] <cjwatson> ta
[09:16] <poningru> its under Installation btw
[09:18] <poningru> cjwatson: thanks soo much btw I do appreciate this
[09:28] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1832 herd-3/debian/ (changelog rules): * Fix build failure due to console-setup fix.
[09:29] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1833 herd-3/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.3.17
[09:34] <tepsipakki> I have a number of packages complaining about "Depends: foo but it is not going to be installed" when trying to netboot Herd3
[09:35] <cjwatson> can you put a syslog somewhere?
[09:35] <tepsipakki> and all of those depend on X
[09:35] <tepsipakki> maybe
[09:35] <tepsipakki> does busybox have a "reverse-wget" or something?-)
[09:36] <cjwatson> nc
[09:36] <cjwatson> or you can anna-install openssh-client-udeb and use scp
[09:36] <tepsipakki> ah, of course
[09:37] <tepsipakki> cjwatson: btw, your comments before the cancelled TB meeting two weeks ago did the trick on Tuesday ;)
[09:38] <cjwatson> good to hear it
[09:38] <cjwatson> I was on a train on Tuesday evening
[09:39] <tepsipakki> yeah, so mdz dug the logs and found your comments
[09:40] <tepsipakki> ok I have the syslog now, but I'll read it myself to be sure it's not my fault
[09:41] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1834 herd-3/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.3.17
[09:46] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1831 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules): merge from herd-3 branch
[09:48] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1832 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.3.18
[09:52] <tepsipakki> cjwatson: ok, I can't see any obvious error in it http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/d-i/syslog
[09:53] <tepsipakki> I can try running apt-install and see where it fails
[09:54] <cjwatson> tepsipakki: looks like you're trying to install both Ubuntu and Kubuntu desktops? maybe they conflict just enough to break tasksel
[09:55] <tepsipakki> yes, been doing that for a while :)
[09:55] <cjwatson> actually it looks like you're trying to install a whole raft of stuff :)
[09:55] <tepsipakki> it's quite a lot yes
[09:56] <cjwatson> you'll have to simulate on a normal system and use apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true or something
[09:56] <cjwatson> which will produce a massive slew of output and be quite hard to read, but ...
[09:56] <tepsipakki> ok, I'll look into that
[10:28] <tepsipakki> found the error.. libgd2-{no,}xpm conflict
[10:33] <tepsipakki> pdl depends on libgd2-xpm, and -noxpm is already installed
[10:35] <tepsipakki> nope, can't be that
[10:42] <tepsipakki> argh, it was our own dear xv
[10:44] <tepsipakki> I wonder why x11-common conflicts with xv which isn't even distributable :)
[10:44] <tepsipakki> anyway, I just need to bump the version
[10:55] <cjwatson> because the older version of xv used obsolete paths which would break current x11-common
[10:56] <cjwatson> xorg (1:7.0.21) unstable; urgency=low
[10:56] <cjwatson>   [ Josh Triplett ]
[10:56] <cjwatson>   * Add conflicts on the old non-free package xv, no longer in Debian,
[10:56] <cjwatson>     which broke upgrading on at least one system.
[10:56] <tepsipakki> oh, I see
[10:57] <cjwatson>   * Have x11-common conflict with packages installing binaries to
[10:57] <cjwatson>     /usr/X11R6/bin. We need to remove them in order to install a proper
[10:57] <cjwatson>     symlink at this location to /usr/bin. Packages will still be able to
[10:57] <cjwatson>     install to /usr/X11R6/bin, but they need to be removed from the system
[10:57] <cjwatson>     first so that we can set up the symlink and not drop them out of the path.
[10:57] <cjwatson>     Thanks Steve Langasek. (closes: #362524, #362200)
[10:57] <cjwatson> make your xv package install to /usr/bin when you bump the version to make sure there won't be a problem
[10:57] <tepsipakki> yes, it already does
[10:58] <tepsipakki> PREFIX=/usr
[10:58] <tepsipakki> not that we use upgrade, but still
[11:02] <tepsipakki> xli seems to be the only one we have installed on dapper that still installs in /usr/X11R6
[11:03] <tepsipakki> xli (1.17.0-22) unstable; urgency=low
[11:03] <tepsipakki>   * Install to /usr, instead of /usr/X11R6. (closes: #362311)
[11:03] <tepsipakki>  -- Graham Wilson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:14:56 +0000
[11:03] <tepsipakki> that didn't make it in dapper :)
[11:25] <mpt_> Wow, I remember xv
[11:26] <mpt_> Its error alerts had buttons like "Drat" and "Bother" instead of "OK"
[11:28] <tepsipakki> heh
[11:28] <tepsipakki> some people still want to use it
[01:05] <cjwatson> ok, port of gparted's visual partition widget to Python working
[01:06] <cjwatson> now to figure out how to unify its visual disk widget; at the moment it involves massive code duplication
[01:42] <saispo> hi
[01:43] <saispo> cjwatson: i use base-configapt-setup/security-updates boolean false in my preseed file but in the sources.list i have security update and i don't want :/
[01:43] <saispo> other things to do ?
[01:46] <cjwatson> where did you get that instruction?
[01:47] <cjwatson> the correct way to disable security updates is 'd-i apt-setup/security_host string', as documented in the installation guide (https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html)
[02:01] <saispo> i get it on ubuntu-fr docs :/
[02:08] <saispo> it's possible to bypass the error in a preseed/late_command ?
[02:09] <saispo> or automaticaly answer Y ?
[02:13] <cjwatson> ubuntu-fr docs are wrong. see the guide
[02:13] <cjwatson> and let the ubuntu-fr people know that they need to update
[02:14] <saispo> ok
[02:17] <saispo> thks cjwatson, all work now, just find how bypass a readline question in my preseed_latecommand foir a metapackage i install...
[02:17] <saispo> an idea ?


[08:02] <eks> hi all, I read few weeks ago (probabbly 2 months) that Ubuntu decided stop updating Ubuntu touch. I am still using it in my daily day too and I would not like to to change it. Do you know if any linux developer is going to carry on with Ubuntu touch?
[10:07] <ogra_> eks, look for "ubports"
[10:22] <eks> thanks
[10:57] <dbx2> hey eks, there are developpers still working on project for ubuntu touch. For example, if you are interrested in call blocking program, you can look at http://f-call-dev.blogspot.ch/ :)
[10:58] <dbx2> they still work on their application. So Ubuntu touch is nto dead for them :)
[15:19] <blabs> Hey this is my first day with my lg nexus 4 that I armoured with ubuntu touch :)
[18:53] <dbx2> congrat blabs. Let us know more if any issue or flaw, or everything is working well?


[17:25] <Ray> oi
[18:20] <alfyj72> I want to install a minimal version of Lubuntu 22.04 to a USB drive and add a few recovery tools (refind, etc) on it so I don't have to reinstall these tools every time I boot, which I have to do with the .iso try/install version which I have used repeatedly trying to get something new to work.  Anyway, I need to know what the minimum size USB drive I need to install it on.  I have a spare 8GB USB.  Do I need to buy a bigger one.
[18:20] <alfyj72> I have googled and googled and can't find any spec for the minimum disk space.


[05:09] <DaSkreech> HI Hobbsee
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:10] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> dealing with payment w.r.t a carsmash.
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Ouch
[05:18] <DaSkreech> The new car?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> new car?  i dont have a new car
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Well yeah a few years
[05:20] <DaSkreech> seriously I've been talking to you for a few years?
[05:20] <DaSkreech> I can swear I remember when you got that car
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: fun.  but they're expensive when they smash.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: hm, likely.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> yeah, i would have gotten that a few months before using ubuntu
[05:22] <Jucato> which was how many years ago? :)
[05:22] <Jucato> j/k
[05:23] <Hobbsee> 2.5 or so
[05:23] <Hobbsee> just under
[05:23] <DaSkreech> yeah sounds about right
[05:23] <Jucato> that long ago? hehehe
[05:24] <Hobbsee> was breezy, and that's EOL'd now, so yes :)
[05:25] <Jucato> hi n8k99!
[05:25] <n8k99> hi Jucato
[05:26] <DaSkreech> FOSS is the strangest set of folks
[05:26] <n8k99> heh
[05:27] <Jucato> s/is/has/
[05:27] <Jucato> unless you consider folks = software
[05:27] <n8k99> i parsed that as a set named FOSS
[05:28] <Jucato> wow.. parsed...
[05:28] <n8k99> my wife hates when i do that
[05:29] <Jucato> when you parse?
[05:29] <n8k99> yeah. no. when i use words that don't mean what i think they mean, and end up making them mean what i want
[05:29] <n8k99> or something to that effect
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Ha ha #def then?
[05:31] <n8k99> maybe i am just overloading terms
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Oooh overloading
[05:32] <Jucato> function overloading :)
[05:32] <n8k99> hehe
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Right anyway People always point out that Oh! Microsoft is cutting off updates for this or Apple won't support that but noone drops support for things faster than the FOSS world.
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Course no one updates faster either
[05:40] <Jucato> but if MS or Apple drops support for something, it's totally dead forever... a FOSS app can be revived by anyone
[05:41] <Tm_T> Jucato: exactly
[05:41] <DaSkreech> I understand the sentiment
[05:42] <DaSkreech> But for well over 80% of the apps that's just not true
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Well it's still true in theory in practice hell no
[05:42] <Jucato> ah I just love statistics
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Ignore seamonkey :)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: You want to try revive sayy oh a 1/4 of the dead projects on SF.net ?
[05:43] <Jucato> if you consider apps that should stay dead...
[05:43] <Jucato> also if you consider apps that have massive support/user base
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Well I like gaim. I don't like Pidgin
[05:46] <DaSkreech> No one supports gaim
[05:47] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Aren't you in the wrong channel for Gaim/Pigdin arguments?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Not a gaim pidgin argument
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Not really a criticsm either cause if there is an update to a FOSS project most people have updated even before i can tell them about it
[05:48] <Jucato> er...
[05:48] <Jucato> to think I mean
[05:48] <DaSkreech> which is not even close to true for closed source stuff
[05:59] <ScottK> Should bug #151138 be a bug against compiz?  IMO if app -compiz works, whatever breaks when compiz is added belongs to compiz.  Is there policy on that?
[05:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151138 in kdegraphics "presentation mode of kpdf does not work with compiz enabled (in gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151138
[06:14] <ScottK> Working well for me.
[06:16] <DaSkreech> fine I"ll update
[06:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdevelop has an odd version #, btw
[06:40] <genii> Bah. Had compiz working under 2.6.22-11 and now -14 has me messed up again.
[06:40] <Hobbsee> meh, compiz.
[06:40] <genii> yeah
[06:41] <genii> Does it have some issue with restricted drivers?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> okay, kaffeine does *not* handle compiz at all well
[06:52] <Hobbsee> at least, zoom
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Woah Strigi is eating some CPU resources
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Is it doing anything?
[06:59] <Jucato> probably trying to eat your cpu
[06:59] <Jucato> indexing most probably
[07:16] <skreech_> Right
[07:16] <skreech_> So that killed my machine
[07:17] <skreech_> Is strigi Supposed to use that much CPU?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> it shouldnt be now
[07:17] <Jucato> (it's buggy yes afaik)
[07:17] <skreech_> Just did a full upgrade to KDE 3.5.8
[07:18] <Hobbsee> did it work?
[07:18] <skreech_> Hobbsee: I've never made it index before
[07:18] <skreech_>  does it have a huge CPU hit when indexing?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> i meant 3.5.8, not strigi
[07:18] <skreech_> Well I'm on the command line now if that helps
[07:18] <skreech_> Yeah I guess
[07:19] <skreech_> But between a daemon battling me for my CPU and a kernel that kills my computer if I look at the time I'm not happy
[07:20] <skreech_> I'll kill strigi when it takes over 70% of my memory
[07:20] <Jucato> hm.. btw.. I thought Riddell removed it from being autostarted by default?
[07:20] <skreech_> Well it is
[07:21] <skreech_> Gahahaha it heard me it seems
[07:21] <skreech_> Memory use touched 70.8% then dived
[07:22] <skreech_> Still taking more than 80% of My CPU
[07:23] <skreech_> Hobbsee: so before when it was doing this it was just a runaway prcess?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> unsure
[07:23] <Hobbsee> it was supposed to be fixed
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: he did
[07:23] <Hobbsee> the new version was supposed to be better
[07:26] <skreech_> Welll X is useless I can barely t
[07:26] <skreech_> ype in console
[07:26] <skreech_> It take a good while for key strokes to register
[07:27] <skreech_> something close to 30 seconds for the Numlock light to toggle
[07:27] <skreech_> Strigi has stopped eating my CPU but its' sure aeating my memory now
[07:28] <Jucato> why not kill it?
[07:28] <skreech_> cause I'm a beta tester
[07:28] <skreech_> I want to see what's its doing
[07:29] <skreech_> I know that beagle used to kill your machine for like 45 minutes after it was installed
[07:29] <skreech_> and this is a 250 GB drive
[07:30] <skreech_> The CPU uasge has gone done but I hear the drive churning away
[07:31] <Jucato> ok, wait for 45 minutes...
[07:34] <skreech_> Well as I recall Strigi was supposed to take less time than the other guys to index stuff
[07:35] <skreech_> I'd ask in #strig
[07:35] <skreech_> i but the room is dead most of the hours out of the day
[07:35] <skreech_> why does it keep breaking my sentences?
[07:36] <skreech_> Well while I wait this out
[07:36] <skreech_>  Hobbsee no reports of the Clock crashing Gutsy?
[07:36] <Hobbsee> not that i'm aware fo?
[07:37] <skreech_> My load is up to 24 now
[07:37] <Hobbsee> sheesh
[07:37] <skreech_> What is the wa stat for in top ?
[07:38] <skreech_> Jucato: Add strigi to your list with Dolphin
[07:38] <Jucato> list of what?
[07:39] <skreech_> Apps for KDE4 that should stay in KDE4
[07:39] <skreech_> Is wa Wait time?
[07:39] <Jucato> has been there on that list since D3lphin :)
[07:40] <Jucato> and already expressed my -10 about both
[07:40] <skreech_> That's the only thing remotely high in the top stats
[07:41] <skreech_> If the machine freezes
[07:41] <skreech_>  thats why
[07:45] <skreech_> Load is down to 16
[07:51] <skreech_> Warty
[07:51] <skreech_> hoary
[07:51] <skreech_>  maybe breezy
[07:52] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:52] <Hobbsee> breezy is EOL'd, so yes
[07:52] <Hobbsee> whole lot of snapshot releases
[07:53] <skreech_> can someone tell me who much swap they have left in top?
[07:53] <skreech_> bytes free
[07:54] <Hobbsee> Swap:  1429744k total,        0k used,  1429744k free,  1233028k cached
[07:54] <Hobbsee> but i'm not running strigi
[07:54] <skreech_> ah
[07:54] <skreech_> swap used and free for me
[07:54] <Jucato> Swap:         1027        191        835
[07:55] <Jucato> not running KDE 3
[07:55] <skreech_> 835k free?
[07:56] <Jucato> swap? yes
[07:56] <Jucato> er.. 835mb
[07:56] <Jucato> free -m
[07:56] <skreech_> ok
[07:56] <skreech_> how much cached?
[07:56] <Jucato>  586
[07:57] <Jucato> mb
[08:00] <skreech_> ok I have 0k free with 5-7Meg cached
[08:01] <skreech_> Looks like strigi goes CPU bound until it becomes memory bound
[08:03] <skreech_> Right I'm going to let this churn for the night
[08:09] <Jucato> Hobbsee: if it's any comfort to you, kaffeine doesn't work well on kwin's compositing either (kde4)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> ah right
[08:09] <Jucato> it wants to be totally on top, even of it's own dialog boxes...
[08:40] <skreech_> Neat My computer is moving so slow I can actually watch a process be killed
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: where can I get 3.5.8 for testing ?
[10:27] <Riddell> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ubuntu gutsy main
[10:27] <Riddell> _StefanS_: ^^
[10:27] <Tonio_> hi
[10:27] <Tonio_> back to work, I was sick
[10:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you resend me the mail with the kdmtheme debdiff please ?
[10:27] <Tonio_> hey Riddell :)
[10:27] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[10:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks :)
[10:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lost a few emails playing with a server antispam :/
[10:28] <Riddell> sault Tonio_
[10:28] <Tonio_> 5 days sick, 40 degrees fever.... sorry for missing the beta tests...
[10:29] <Jucato> aw... Tonio_ hope you're feeling better
[10:29] <Tonio_> someone finally changed the konversation settings ?
[10:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: I do, indeed
[10:29] <Jucato> :)
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes they did.. I couldnt understand why konversation started quitting on me all the time, until I noticed it didnt stick in the tray nomore
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, otoo late for gutsy, but I started playing with kio-apt, to make it compatible with the new apt:/ ubuntu protocol
[10:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, looks like sho won this time
[10:30] <Tonio_> but I really, really disapprove those changes.....
[10:30] <Tonio_> but I'll respect what has been done, no pb
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea, me too
[10:31] <Jucato> the system tray icon was never one of his issues though
[10:31] <Tonio_> Jucato: sure it was
[10:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: are we going to get an exception for kde 3.5.8 if its proves to be in good shape ?
[10:31] <Tonio_> Jucato: he compained a lot about the tabs, the systray icon, and the icon theme
[10:31] <Jucato> only the C++ patches for modifying configs, the tab position, and the nicklist theme
[10:31] <_StefanS_> I thought konversation started to segfault until I found out about the tray configuration :)
[10:31] <Jucato> C++ patch for the default server/port I mean
[10:33] <Jucato> is that KDE 3.5.8 PPA available for testing for me too? or do I have sign up for something?
[10:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: that would be cool
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ubuntu gutsy main
[10:33] <Jucato> okies :)
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: beware of the download speed.. (or lack of)
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: getting 48kb/s now
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: on a 20mbit line.
[10:34] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I'd like it to, it seems remarkably trouble free
[10:34] <Riddell> but first, there are RC CDs to be tested!
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I guess it would be a good thing to keep us ahead :)
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: all others are packaging 3.5.7
[10:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: whats that url for the testing images ? and the DVD's needs testing too I guess (?)
[10:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: s/testing/RC/
[10:41] <Riddell> still testing, they're not official RC until tomorrow
[10:41] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[10:41] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/
[11:02] <davmor2> Riddell: bryce has asked that I start a new bug for the intel graphical freakness for kde :(
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kde 3.5.8 is installing now.. btw: I wont download those pre-RC images, the server only gives me 89kb/s, would simply take all day
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the other from mrgruber.org or whatever was way faster.
[12:14] <Jucato> for some strange reason, I couldn't even get updates for 3.5.8 using the PPA... my Fetch Updates must have timed out  earlier
[12:14] <Jucato> (just dist-upgrading to gutsy's latest updates today)
[12:23] <Lure> Riddell: 3.5.8 looks fine here
[12:24] <Lure> Riddell: I have guidance candidate with two fixes in my ppa (also for others to test), but would really like to resolve CPU MHz bug that there are some reports
[12:27] <Lure> anybody here have issue like bug 102345 ?
[12:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102345 in kde-guidance "kde guidance does not display cpu frequency" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102345
[12:27] <Lure> Riddell: bug 128666 might also be important, but it requires acpi-support change
[12:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128666 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance-powermanager causes double sleep, memory corruption" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128666
[12:27] <pgquiles_> Riddell: will you provide 3.5.8 packages for feisty?
[12:28] <Riddell> pgquiles_: hope so
[12:28] <pgquiles_> Riddell: thank you
[12:34] <Riddell> davmor2: has usplash been working for you?
[12:39] <_StefanS_> Lure: whats you ppa?
[12:39] <_StefanS_> Lure: your
[12:40] <Lure> _StefanS_: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lure/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: usplash started to work when fglrx was enabled since gutsy... that didnt work on feisty.
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I havent seen any problems with it, except for when you have enabled sshd and other services, it shows the console briefly before starting kdm
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Lure: goody
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: (which is probably fine,.,)
[12:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: can we fix that backlight hotkey btw?
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: was it a feature of kmilo that needed some functionality ?
[12:45] <Riddell> what backlight hotkey?
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Fn+Home/End on thinkpads
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: that thing that stopped working since tribe5
[12:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: using acpi_listen it does trigger the brightness script I can see
[12:47] <Riddell> oh, screen brightness
[12:47] <_StefanS_> yep
[12:47] <Riddell> yes, I believe it needs kmilo to do something, I don't know what, it won't get fixed for gutsy
[12:47] <_StefanS_> argh ok..
[12:48] <Riddell> hopefully it won't be very complex, we can just copy whatever gnome's equivalent does
[12:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it does trigger video_brightnessup.sh
[12:48] <Riddell> what does?
[12:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: donno how that acpi_fakekey works
[12:48] <Lure> _StefanS_: do you know what needs to be done?
[12:48] <_StefanS_> well I read that it might be mapping from the hex to the xorg key
[12:49] <_StefanS_> someone had a similar problem on dell
[12:49] <Lure> _StefanS_: acpi_fakekey should generate keypress which we map into xkeysym that kmilo then executes
[12:49] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[12:49] <Lure> does "xev" command return proper codes and xkeysyms?
[12:49] <_StefanS_> it does.
[12:50] <Jucato> anyone lately had a chance to upgrade to gutsy from a semi-fresh install of feisty? I think gutsy's ksplash isn't installed or upgraded properly
[12:50] <_StefanS_> Lure: 212 for up and 101 for down brightness
[12:50] <Lure> _StefanS_: as other laptops listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes ?
[12:50] <_StefanS_> lemme check
[12:50] <Lure> sounds ok
[12:51] <Lure> it seems that kernel is not doing the control anymore, therefore something in userspace should do it...
[12:51] <Lure> kmilo in feisty just showed the dialog, but did not actually change brightness
[12:52] <Lure> _StefanS_: we would probably just need to steal some code from gnome-p-m and stick it into kmilo/guidance-p-m
[12:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: does the brightness interact with ibm_acpi ??
[12:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: in /proc/acpi/ibm/.. ?
[12:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: or is that obsolete by now
[12:53] <Lure> _StefanS_: not sure, it looks like that they removed policy from kernel and I suspec hal has support now
[12:53] <Lure> so g-p-m should ask hal to adjust it (but this is just my speculation)
[12:54] <_StefanS_> Lure: hmm I think its quite important to have it fixed actually..
[12:55] <Lure> _StefanS_: it would be nice, but I was unaware of this issue (no bug)
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: the brightness works on my other laptop (dell inspiron 6400)
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: not sure how its implemented though
[12:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: majbe mjg59 can tell us more
[12:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: and Thinkpad does not work?
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: thats correct.
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: although adjusting the sliders in kde-guidance-p-m works :)
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: so maybe we should look there ?
[12:57] <_StefanS_> I'm grabbing the source now
[12:57] <Lure> _StefanS_: problem is that python cannot catch global key presses, this is why kmilo takes care of it
[12:57] <Riddell> it uses hal
[12:58] <Lure> _StefanS_: but we could modify kmilo to dcop guidance to modify brightness
[12:58] <_StefanS_> isnt that somewhat of a hack ? :)
[12:58] <Lure> _StefanS_: not the first one in guidance (due to python/qt/kde limitations)
[12:58] <Lure> ;-)
[12:59] <_StefanS_> does kmilo already contain brightness controls for other laptops ?
[12:59] <Lure> _StefanS_: no, just display of dialog
[12:59] <Lure> _StefanS_: there are legacy modules that you may try as workaround
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: kmilo-legacy
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: they have old, ugly low-level code to mess with kernel
[01:00] <_StefanS_> oh lets not do that
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: this is why we use just kmilo_generic
[01:00] <_StefanS_> lets go the dcop route if thats the easiest way
[01:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: but it may work for your thinkpad (as API is probably the same as hal uses)
[01:01] <_StefanS_> yea well kde-guidance-pm works so..
[01:01] <Lure> _StefanS_: only concern with dcop route is what will hapen with laptops that already work (like your dell): will this increase brightness by two times or will HAL just ignore
[01:02] <Lure> _StefanS_: good thing is that you have both, so we can debug quickly
[01:02] <Lure> _StefanS_: I am at work now, but could work on this in 4-5 hours or so
[01:03] <_StefanS_> Lure: well its better for me in the evening, around 9 - 10 oclock
[01:03] <_StefanS_> Lure: my local time is gmt+1
[01:03] <Lure> _StefanS_: same here
[01:04] <Lure> kubuntu_14_kmilo_powermanager.diff already uses dcop for suspend/hibernate/showTip
[01:04] <_StefanS_> Lure: you said that after acpi_fakekey it looked up stuff in xkey.. something ?
[01:04] <Lure> _StefanS_: right, this is done by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ubuntu-xmodmap
[01:05] <Lure> _StefanS_: see /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap for list of mappings
[01:05] <_StefanS_> got it
[01:05] <_StefanS_> well brightness key 212/101 is not listed there
[01:05] <Lure> _StefanS_: then xkeysym is catched by kmilo (KGlobAccel) and does something usefull (suspend, hibernate, battery key)
[01:06] <Lure> _StefanS_: it also catches brightness keys, but does nothing, beside displaying currnt level (afair)
[01:06] <Lure> _StefanS_: really?! then I do not remember this good enough... ;-)
[01:06] <_StefanS_> Lure: so creating 212/101 and appropriate keys here wont have any effect?
[01:06] <_StefanS_> XF86Brightness whatever
[01:07] <Lure> _StefanS_: try adding mapping
[01:07] <Lure> _StefanS_: then we need to catch it in kmilo
[01:07] <Lure> _StefanS_: right, generic does not have brightness (only ibm and old legacy have it)
[01:08] <Lure> _StefanS_: so we need to:
[01:08] <Lure> 1. add mapping to /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.
[01:08] <Lure> 2. add KGlobalAccell to kmilo_generic
[01:08] <Lure> 3. kmilo_generic to call pm via dcop
[01:09] <Lure> 4. add dcop methods to pm
[01:09] <Lure> That is doable in decent time, it just involves several packages (kdebase, kdeutils, guidance)
[01:09] <_StefanS_> so is it entirely freeform for the naming of the XF86 key?
[01:09] <Lure> but all of them might need updated anyway (3.5.8 + guidance fixes)
[01:09] <_StefanS_> well theyre all slated for update anywya
[01:09] <_StefanS_> :D
[01:09] <Lure> _StefanS_: no
[01:10] <Lure> _StefanS_: they are documented somewhere, just do not recall now where
[01:10] <_StefanS_> Lure: XF86BrightnessUp, XF86BrightnessDown,
[01:10] <_StefanS_> so that was easy
[01:10] <Lure> _StefanS_: great
[01:11] <_StefanS_> I will add them now
[01:11] <_StefanS_> is that when you get a good idea ?? : XF86LightBulb
[01:11] <_StefanS_> hehe
[01:12] <Lure> ;-)
[01:14] <_StefanS_> hmm it seems like it doesnt like brighnessup/down XF86 keys
[01:16] <_StefanS_> brb
[01:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: KDE 3.5.8 works great here aswell
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: the brightnessUp/Down is already available in the most recent kde-guidance-pm
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: works fine from commandline
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Lure: dcop power-manager-16439 power-manager brightnessUp/Down
[01:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: great, I forgot about that ;-)
[01:56] <_StefanS_> :)
[01:56] <_StefanS_> Lure: so according to your recipe, we need to patch in that call in kmilo
[01:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: yep, 1. - 3. only
[01:58] <_StefanS_> Lure: what should we call that XF86 key... BrightnessUp/Down doesnt exist apparently
[01:58] <Lure> _StefanS_: just extend debian/patches/kubuntu_14_kmilo_powermanager.diff
[01:58] <_StefanS_> alright
[01:58] <Lure> _StefanS_: so no brightnessXX?
[01:58] <_StefanS_> nop
[01:59] <Lure> _StefanS_: we could just use some generic ones, like XF86LaunchX
[01:59] <_StefanS_> although I found this in /usr/include/X11/XF86keysym.h: #define XF86XK_KbdBrightnessUp   0x1008FF05
[02:00] <_StefanS_> and a corresponding Down aswell.
[02:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: not the best, but very non-conflicting, I would cay
[02:00] <_StefanS_> can you make as manu XF86LaunchX as you want?
[02:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: no, they are predefined somewhere in X headers
[02:02] <Lure> _StefanS_: see here for candidates: http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/howto_keyboard.php
[02:02] <Lure> _StefanS_: there is only XF86BrightnessAdjust
[02:04] <Lure> _StefanS_: we can just go with XF86LaunchD & XF86LaunchE for the time being
[02:05] <Lure> _StefanS_: found it, the actual list is in /usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB
[02:06] <Lure> _StefanS_: SunVideoLowerBrightness/SunVideoRaiseBrightness ;-)
[02:06] <mhb> _StefanS_: second attempt to catch you
[02:10] <_StefanS_> mhb: it was just a rename of GDebi Package installer to Package installer, but since we have string freeze, it cant be done. So that was it :)
[02:10] <_StefanS_> Lure: ok, lets try that
[02:11] <mhb> _StefanS_: right, but it can be done for hardy, remind me again during the cycle
[02:12] <_StefanS_> Lure: mapping works for the sun keys through xev
[02:15] <Lure> _StefanS_: great, just patch kmilo and we are done
[02:15] <Lure> _StefanS_: and hide the fixes in Riddell's 3.5.8 upload ;-)
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> *them
[02:17] <Lure> any feisty user around?
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> over in #kubuntu ;)
[02:17] <ScottK> Lure: If I was sufficiently motivated I could reboot into it.
[02:18] <Lure> ScottK: no need
[02:18] <ScottK> OK.
[02:18] <Lure> will ask in -testers otherwise will take nosrednaekim suggestion ;-)
[02:21] <_StefanS_> Lure: I think I get it now :) - I will it tonight maybe
[02:21] <_StefanS_> patch it
[02:21] <Lure> _StefanS_: just ping me if you need help, but I am sure you will be fine
[02:22] <Lure> _StefanS_: and test on dell for potential side-effects
[02:22] <_StefanS_> Jups
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> i'd test it, but my brightness keys are hardware-linked :).
[02:24] <_StefanS_> I'm just about to hardwire my own... this just anoying
[02:26] <_StefanS_> oh jeez.. why is ppa.lp.net so slow
[02:26] <_StefanS_> 11 kb/s
[02:26] <Jucato> don't worry _StefanS_, I haven't added to the load yet :)
[02:26] <Jucato> er wait
[02:26] <Lure> _StefanS_: because my packages are more poluar than ubuntu main repo? ;-)
[02:26] <Jucato>  I have! O.o
[02:26] <Jucato> but Riddel's :P
[02:26] <_StefanS_> hehe
[02:27] <_StefanS_> donno, it could sure use some sort of upgrade...
[02:44] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm definitely liking 3.5.8 so far.  Did you see my comment on sftp on #kubuntu-testers from last night?
[02:44] <ScottK> Good clean bug fixing fun as far as I can tell.
[02:46] <Riddell> I did indeed
[02:51] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Great.  If there is specific stuff you want looked at, please let me know.
[02:51] <Riddell> nothing specific
[02:52] <Lure> Hobbsee: considering switching? ;-)
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Lure: oh, i do every release or so - and then come back to KDE, because it works so nicely.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> but then, it doesnt get the love that ubuntu gets, so it's a tough call
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 3.5.8 seems to wokr great, btw
[02:53] <Lure> Riddell: what is the probability to get 3.5.8 in for gutsy? did you discuss it with others from release team?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Lure: tentatively discussed between the two of us, but didnt really get traction for going further
[02:54] <Hobbsee> of course, now that we actually *have* it
[02:54] <Jucato> kinda sucks when you're still just downloading 3.5.8 and everyone's confirmed that it works already :P
[02:55] <Riddell> Lure: I might be able to quietly sneak it in
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you sneak it, i'll give you the verbal ack, and you can do the actual approving.  works perfectly :)
[02:55] <Riddell> of course there's also KDE 4 beta 3 to be packaged
[02:55] <Lure> Riddell: and please wait for brightness fixes from _StefanS_
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^5 :D
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's great having 2 kde people in the release team.
[02:56] <Lure> Hobbsee: so kubuntu gutsy+1 release (with kde4 by default ) will be at the same time as kde party? ;-)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Lure: unsure - when's the kde party?
[02:56] <Lure> Hobbsee: January ;-)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:57] <Hobbsee> gutsy+1 doesnt plan to hvae kde4 by default
[02:57] <Lure> Hobbsee: would be great to distribute Kubuntu/kde4 CDs
[02:57] <Jucato> gutsy+1 = no kde 4...
[02:57] <Lure> Hobbsee: wait until UDS ;-)
[02:57] <Jucato> oooooh...
[02:57] <Riddell> Jucato: "by default"
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Lure: i wont be there.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Lure: but indeed, it would be
[02:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: me neither (I wil be just back from US before UDS)
[02:58] <Jucato> Riddell: yep. forgot that
[02:59] <Lure> Riddell: I am really not sure if kde 3.5.x (without anybody working on it anymore) is better for LTS
[02:59] <Lure> Riddell: maybe having kde4.0 with exception from release team to upload 4.1 as -updates would be better
[02:59] <Hobbsee> i honestly cant see the poitn of still distributing kde3, but i'd like to wait until we see more of it before making that decision
[02:59] <Hobbsee> based on how we've not done any particular LTS work for dapper in the last while, it's effectively a normal release for us
[03:00] <Hobbsee> we didtn even provide teh latest kde versoins, with mostly bug fixes.
[03:00] <Lure> Riddell: LTS does have update CD's, therefore it would be easier to distribute larger updates too
[03:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: and that is the problem with LTS - it is so frozen, that you cannot even get bug fixes ;-)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Lure: indeed.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Lure: well, all of them are, to some extent - but wedont provide the separate kde bits
[03:02] <Jucato> don't we also have to consider how 4.0 itself will turn out first?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:04] <Jucato> um.. another thing to consider is that we will have to probably sheep 2 KDE's if we include 4.0 by default
[03:04] <Jucato> er... did I just say sheep?
[03:04] <jpatrick> yes, twice
[03:04] <Jucato> hehe
[03:04] <Jucato> jpatrick: btw, grats on getting motu back :)
[03:04] <Jucato> saw your special mention on the list
[03:05] <jpatrick> Jucato: I never lost it in the first place :)
[03:05] <davmor2> Riddell: just testing the kub desktop cd.  I managed to change the font to a fixed 96dpi now it looks perfect :)
[03:05] <Jucato> jpatrick: ok, getting reactivated
[03:06] <ScottK> Unless KDE4 gets magically a lot more solid, no KDE3 in Hardy would have me thinking very hard about another distro.  I need working a lot more than I need latest and greatest (he types from his Dapper desktop).
[03:12] <Riddell> davmor2: what was it set to before?
[03:13] <davmor2> none of the above I think hang on and I'll tell you :)
[03:15] <davmor2> Riddell:  forced fonts dpi disabled.
[03:15] <davmor2> by switching it to 96 I now have a perfect kubuntu desktop :)
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya
[03:55] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:55] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:56] <davmor2> Riddell:  I've done screen shots for heno http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kub32menu.png , http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kub32firefoxinfo.png , http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/kub32install.png
[04:00] <Riddell> davmor2: what's that for?
[04:00] <davmor2> Riddell: screenshots of winfoss
[04:01] <Riddell> davmor2: but for what?
[04:01] <Riddell> winfoss needs new screenshots of Kubuntu
[04:02] <Riddell> although we need a screenshot of winfoss for the release announcement
[04:02] <davmor2> they are the kubuntu winfoss menu and stuff
[04:05] <Riddell> I see that, just don't see why we need screenshots of it
[04:05] <Lure> davmor2: what does xdpyinfo|grep resolution return for you?
[04:08] <skreech_> Morning Jucato
[04:08] <Jucato> morning skreech_
[04:09] <skreech_> Hiya Hobbsee, Riddell
[04:09] <Riddell> hi skreech_
[04:13] <davmor2> Lure: on what sorry I have three different desktops on the go at present
[04:13] <Lure> davmor2: the one where you had to fix dpi manually
[04:14] <skreech_> [5~[5~[6~
[04:14] <davmor2> before or after the fix?
[04:14] <davmor2> Lure: ^^^
[04:14] <Lure> davmor2: does not matter
[04:15] <davmor2> Lure: 112x968 dpi
[04:16] <Lure> davmor2: ups, what about xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
[04:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: what would be the standard way of building kde apps using icecc and multiple machines ?
[04:16] <Lure> davmor2: it looks like you have very WIDE screen ;-)
[04:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't want to use more than one thread here....
[04:16] <Lure> davmor2: actually TALL
[04:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=10, doesn't help
[04:18] <Tonio_> Lure: any idea on that point ?
[04:18] <Lure> Tonio_: no clue about icecc
[04:18] <davmor2> Lure: 1280x800dpi 289x21 mm
[04:19] <Lure> davmor2: ok, so height is completely wrongly detected, causing wrong dpi (dpi = resolution / size)
[04:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: make -j 10
[04:19] <Lure> davmor2: what kind of vide driver?
[04:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, sure, ut without touching the package
[04:19] <Riddell> skreech_: what's wrong with 3.5.8?
[04:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wanna force the -f option within pbuilder in fact
[04:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: no idea I'm afraid
[04:20] <Riddell> -f?
[04:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: any nice way to do it except from writing a horrible hook
[04:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'l just searching for a nice way to force -f option without touching the rules file
[04:21] <davmor2> Lure: intel is the driver.  and it is a intel 945 card
[04:22] <Riddell> I don't know what -f is referring to
[04:22] <Lure> davmor2: you should submit bug against xorg-driver-video-intel and pust you xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[04:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum -j sorry :)
[04:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was talking about -j, so the idea would be to force -j to a certain value without touching to the debian/rules file
[04:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I suspect you might not know any better :)
[04:24] <davmor2> Lure okay ta
[04:24] <Lure> davmor2: and attach output of xdpyinfo
[04:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: MAKE = make -j 10 in debian/rules might help
[04:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, but as I said, "without touching debian/rules" :)
[04:26] <davmor2> Lure okay
[04:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't think there is a way
[04:29] <nixternal> yay, oversleeping is the best!
[04:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: well there is by changing the PATH and make a wrapper script for /usr/bin/make
[04:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about exporting MAKE ?
[04:31] <Tonio_> would that work outside of debian/rules ?
[04:32] <skreech_> Riddell: Strigi is killing me . POeek in #strigi
[04:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, looks like working :)
[04:33] <Jucato> hi nixternal!
[04:34] <nixternal> howdy
[05:05] <davmor2> Lure bug 151311 is there anything missing ?
[05:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151311 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "DPI in kubuntu incorrect on xorg-video-driver-intel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151311
[05:12] <Riddell> davmor2: it's also incorrect in ubuntu for GDM right?
[05:13] <davmor2> yes but I'll add that shortly when I test it with the rc
[05:14] <Riddell> davmor2: you could maybe fiddle with /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore to work around it
[05:14] <Riddell> but of course the bug should really be fixed in the intel driver
[05:15] <glatzor> Riddell: davmor2: I haven't read the previous discussion. there is a problem with the intel driver?
[05:16] <davmor2> I know I've had it from tribe 5
[05:16] <Riddell> glatzor: he's suffering from https://launchpad.net/bugs/151311
[05:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151311 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "DPI in kubuntu incorrect on xorg-video-driver-intel" [Undecided,New]
[05:17] <glatzor> lucks funny
[05:18] <davmor2> glatzor: it is kinda fixed in ubuntu by forcing the issue.  and now at least the res is correct.
[05:19] <Lure> davmor2: that is ok
[05:20] <Lure> glatzor: root cause is that screen size is not detected properly which results in wrong DPI calculation
[05:20] <glatzor> davmor2: what does "xrdb -query" say about the dpi value?
[05:20] <Lure> glatzor: there were similar problems with ati, but fixed in recent uploads
[05:22] <davmor2> glatzor: xft dpi is 96 which I did manually
[05:23] <Lure> davmor2: I have added better workaround to the bug comment
[05:23] <Lure> davmor2: that is what I have used on my laptop with ati
[05:25] <davmor2> Lure cool I'll try it on my next run of tests :)
[07:27] (drsatyri/#kubuntu-devel) i maxed my bw w/ it
[07:33] <sebas> _Sime: Yes
[07:34] <_Sime> sebas: what are your plans for T-Dose this weekend? I'm planning to be there both days.
[07:34] <sebas> I'll be going on Sunday, somewhen around noon
[07:34] <sebas> My talk is at 1500 I think
[07:35] <_Sime> do you know what Ade is up to?
[07:36] <sebas> He's there on Saturday, not sure if he's going on Sunday, too
[07:37] <_Sime> Deb's parents live in eindhoven, so I'm just stay in there.
[07:40] <sebas> Aye
[07:40] <sebas> I've done enough conferencing this summer, this one's going to be short for me
[07:40] <sebas> Jos is planning to be there AFAIK
[07:41] <drsatyri> what are the conferences like for ubuntu devs?
[07:42] <sebas> drsatyri: What do you mean?
[07:42] <sebas> Hanging out, chatting, listening to talks and drinking beer afterwards, usually.
[07:43] <drsatyri> well i mean what gets discussed
[07:43] <drsatyri> its obviously different for each conference
[07:43] <drsatyri> but do you feel that the conferences make a big difference?
[07:44] <sebas> I think so, it's much easier to deal with people online that you actually know
[07:45] <drsatyri> so you think it serves a more social function than anything?
[07:46] <sebas> Depends, it's often also a good opportunity to look at what's happening outside your own community
[07:46] <sebas> And lots of things are actually easier to understand when someone explains them.
[07:46] <sebas> And it's also a good way to have people informed about your project
[07:47] <Nightrose> heya sebas ;-)
[07:47] <sebas> hee Nightrose
[07:47] <sebas> The CodeYard cards arrived today, they look cool
[07:47] <Nightrose> groovy
[07:50] <allee> Lure: you found time to backport digikam stuff?
[08:08] <Riddell> davmor2: coming for pie?
[08:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: isn't there a way to edit an existing patch in a debian package ? (cdbs-edit-patch or something?)
[08:12] <_StefanS_> ah got it.
[08:14] <Riddell> sure, cdbs-edit-patch
[08:14] <Riddell> cdbs-edit-patch debian/patches/01_foo.diff
[08:14] <Riddell> edit
[08:14] <Riddell> exit 0
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Pie?
[08:22] <mhb> squared.
[08:23] <jpatrick> we missed the "r"
[08:23] <mhb> right
[08:56] <nixternal> OK, KDEPIM is annoying me now....when I go to check new email in a folder, all of the new email is up top, but unlike previous releases, it doesn't show them or doesn't automatically select the newest email like before
[09:00] <Lure> allee: no :-( whole evening went for guidance bug triage
[09:00] <Lure> allee: there are many fixes to backport and I am not sure if we should just ask users to use your 0.9.3 repo ;-)
[09:01] <Lure> nixternal: this is changed default, as people have missed new e-mails
[09:02] <Lure> nixternal: you can change it under Misc
[09:02] <TheInfinity> hello ... somebody (dont know who) gave me kde .8 to test ... until now everything works fine :)
[09:03] <nixternal> OH.../me looks at misc
[09:04] <TheInfinity> one bug I already had in .7 version - dolphin always makes an error message that it cant save the favorites
[09:04] <nixternal> Lure: thanks!
[09:05] <nixternal> I can't use dolphin at all...it is totally annoying to me, but that is because I have used Konqueror since it came out
[09:05] <nixternal> I have the same issue when trying to use nautilus or explorer, or any other file manager for that reason
[09:05] <manchicke1> But Dolphin is so cute :)
[09:05] <manchicke1> And it's damn-easy to use.
[09:06] <manchicke1> Dacia loves it.
[09:06] <_StefanS_> clear
[09:06] <_StefanS_> argh :)
[09:06] <DaSkreech> hi joejaxx
[09:07] <nixternal> Is it Jonathan Riddell? (well, the title does contain image riddle :) )
[09:07] <nixternal> hahahaha
[09:09] <mhb> nixternal: eh?
[09:09] <mhb> nixternal: can you explain that to us simple folk?
[09:10] <nixternal> the dude who created an avatar on the planet about one of the "popular" bloggers
[09:10] <nixternal> one of the comments on his blog as that :)
[09:12] <jpatrick> :)
[09:13] <mhb> nixternal: all the ubuntu folks look like that :o)
[09:13] <mhb> I guess that is the blogging gene
[09:14] <nixternal> lol
[09:15] <mhb> nixternal: if your country wont give me a visa on Friday I will be very angry :o)
[09:16] <kwwii_> mhb: I warned them of you
[09:16] <nixternal> it isn't my country...I just live here
[09:17] <kwwii_> nixternal: now don't lie - we all know you own it
[09:17] <nixternal> I hate this place just as much as the rest of the world does
[09:17] <jpatrick> nixternal: come to Europe!
[09:18] <mhb> nixternal: well some people like your country
[09:18] <mhb> nixternal: you can go just about anywhere without a visa, for example
[09:19] <nixternal> jpatrick: my plan is to move to Europe within the next year or so...my x-wife was raised all over the place in Europe, and since I have gotten heavily involved here in free software, there just seem to be way more opportunities there than there is here in the US
[09:19] <nixternal> and she said she would love to move to Europe and live there again :)
[09:19] <drsatyri> not just for oss...
[09:19] <mhb> nixternal: and you had some great people born there, like Richard Feynman
[09:19] <drsatyri> :(
[09:20] <nixternal> some great people is far less than the rest unfortunately :)
[09:20] <drsatyri> i would rather live in europe over the next 10 years than the US :(
[09:20] <nixternal> well that too drsatyri...job isn't the only reason I want to move...everyone seems to have more fun over there...I guess seeing as I am getting up there in age, I would like a change
[09:21] <drsatyri> we are pretty uptight :P
[09:21] <drsatyri> well, our leaders are
[09:21] <drsatyri> im not.
[09:21] <jpatrick> nixternal: any particular country?
[09:21] <nixternal> heh, not nearly as uptight as the people in the neighborhood I live in
[09:22] <mhb> nixternal: and of course, you have some prestigious universities
[09:22] <nixternal> jpatrick: I have always loved Greece and Spain...but honestly anywhere will do
[09:22] <nixternal> universities who pump out corrupted politicians, but ya they are still pretisgious :p
[09:22] <jpatrick> nixternal: I recommend Girona if you're looking into Spain, it's a lovely place
[09:22] <drsatyri> man the eu is so cool :(
[09:23] <drsatyri> plus you all have like...metros.
[09:23] <drsatyri> and a currency.
[09:23] <drsatyri> a REAL one.
[09:23] <nixternal> I like London as well...seeing as I have lived all of my life in or damn close to a big city, I still like the feel of big city life
[09:24] <nixternal> at the same time, I don't want to move to far from Mexico :)  It is by far my favorite place in the world
[09:24] <jpatrick> yeah, but London's like superexpensive (don't get me wrong, I am from there)
[09:24] <drsatyri> mexico?!
[09:24] <drsatyri> really!?
[09:24] <nixternal> I also really liked the country side in places like France and Germany, as well as Ireland
[09:25] <nixternal> drsatyri: ya, so much that I had bought a house in Mexico (Cabo San Lucas) a few years ago, but before I could move in, the people who sold it to me burnt the damn thing down attempting to scam not only me, but also the insurance agency
[09:25] <jpatrick> Germany's where I'd live if I found it hard in the UK
[09:25] <nixternal> I wouldn't mind Germany at all, but it would put me to close to people like kwwii_
[09:26] <nixternal> him moving to Germany was the best thing that ever happened to Chicago :p
[09:26] <mhb> germans are strange in some ways
[09:26] <Ash-Fox> Germany has a bit too insane laws on gaming for my liking.
[09:26] <nixternal> everyone is strange in some ways...look at manchicke1 :D
[09:26] <drsatyri> for instance?
[09:26] <manchicke1> w00t
[09:26] <manchicke1> !visternal
[09:26] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[09:27] <jpatrick> drsatyri: verbs at the end of sentences, weird adjectives, etc
[09:27] <kwwii_> nixternal: trust me, it is just as bad anywhere else as where you are now, just different
[09:27] <mhb> I remember getting slapped by a person when I went to school one day (spent a few weeks there as an exchange student)
[09:27] <nixternal> I always wanted to start up a gang, and have manchicke1 has one of the big chiefs...he would be like Pauly or Sil from the Sopranos
[09:27] <drsatyri> lol
[09:27] <Ash-Fox> http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/15/2159221 <- Raided for making a video game.
[09:27] <manchicke1> You want I should whack the guy bwawss?
[09:28] <nixternal> joo got it, get on ovah dare and take care of it
[09:28] <manchicke1> Joo gwawt it bwawss.
[09:28] <jpatrick> kwwii_: kein Platz ist prefekt
[09:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you still have your RM hat on?
[09:34] <ScottK> Riddell: If you do, would you please accept doko's ia32-libs upload?
[09:39] <joejaxx> DaSkreech: hi
[09:44] <kwwii_> jpatrick: aber ohne scheiss
[09:46] <jpatrick> kwwii_: ich dachte dass Deutschland ein bisschen moderner war oder etwas :>
[09:50] <kwwii_> jpatrick: nicht wo ich wohne - Bayern ist sehr altmodisch
[09:51] <jpatrick> tja, aber diese zeigt mir auf dass mein Deutsch nicht so schlecht ist
[09:53] <kwwii_> lol
[09:54] <jpatrick> hab ich seit 6 Monaten gelernt
[10:12] <mikkael> cool kopete from 3.5.8 can handle my webcam now
[10:13] <mikkael> well its not really useful, since its < 1 fps and im green like a frog
[10:39] <Riddell> j75xzyuz\m68iju7
[10:40] <kwwii_> Riddell: interesting
[10:41] <Riddell> yyy
[11:55] <Riddell> hmm, that'll be the cats then
[12:03] <Riddell> nixternal: alive?  fancy creating https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/RC/Kubuntu ?
[12:03] <Riddell> I imagine copying the Beta one would be appropriate


[00:10] <guiverc> of no value to anyone; a [recent] question on askubu implied package errors in lubuntu (focal; installing LXDE)... I did a couple of tests (apt installs & tasksel installs) on jammy yesterday & didn't replicate issue.
[16:19]  * genii sips and stares at queuebot


[19:59] <LocutusOfBorg> Jim, lcy01 is dead
[20:00] <LocutusOfBorg> last time I saw amd64 builders they were wearing a read t-shirt


[06:41] <HiDeHo> hi all anyone here atm
[06:46] <HiDeHo> interesting.
[06:46] <HiDeHo> empty.
[06:46] <HiDeHo> \I am having some problems with ubuntu Studio 20.04 running in vbox
[06:47] <HiDeHo> i cant install guest adidions because it is not in software app. on ubuntu and other similar os its in synaptic
[20:24] <PLC> hi' there
[20:24] <PLC> I've got a question about version of ubuntu studio ... Is I install Beta of the lastest version, is it easy to swap to full version on 23 april ?? :)
[20:25] <PLC> not full version, juste the moment release :)
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> PLC: If you keep it upgraded, that will automatically happen.
[20:26] <PLC> ok beta is not UFO version ^^
[20:26] <Eickmeyer> All you have to do is accept the software updates as they come and what you have (beta) will eventually become final.
[20:26] <PLC> ok :)
[20:26] <PLC> thanks
[20:26] <PLC> I'm doing a bootable key just to see news
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> PLC: If you're talking about a USB iso image, that will not be updated, You'll have to overwrite it with the final after it comes out.
[20:27] <PLC> I'm under mint for now, but I think, I'm going to switch because I use a lot of feature of this bundle
[20:27] <PLC> If I install beta version from USB ... ?
[20:28] <PLC> I already test ubuntu studion few month ago, but definitivly It's the distro I need
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> No, if you already installed, the installation, so long as it's kept updated, will become final.
[20:29] <zurn> hi everyone, I'm can no longer start Ardour 5 due to a corrupted config file... can anyone help me figure it out? here's what I get when I run the program: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wBNqyYGF8S/
[20:29] <Eickmeyer> Sorry about the confusion, PLC.
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> zurn: open a terminal, type "rm -rf ~/.config/ardour5". It does indeed look like your config is corrupt.
[20:31] <PLC> yes Eickmeyer not really clear for me (I'm french, maybe that wrong ... :D)
[20:32] <PLC> so Key is ready... I'm going to test it (without WM :) )
[20:32] <PLC> because I'm not sure my GPU is really supported
[20:34] <zurn> Eickmeyer: fixed, thanks a lot