[00:07] <elky> jussi01, Pricey, nalioth: please cloak bratsche
[00:07] <nalioth> welcome, bratsche :)
[00:40] <bratsche> elky, nalioth: Thank you.
[03:15] <mama21mama> hi
[03:16] <mama21mama> I want a cloak
[03:16] <mama21mama> as I do?
[03:16] <mama21mama> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Cloaks
[03:16] <nhandler> mama21mama: Do you have a link to your LP profile?
[03:17] <mama21mama> yes
[03:18] <mama21mama> nhandler, https://launchpad.net/~mama21mama2000
[03:18] <nalioth> ubottu: tell mama21mama about member
[03:19] <nhandler> mama21mama: Ubuntu cloaks are only for Ubuntu Members (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership)
[03:19] <mama21mama> to see
[03:19] <nhandler> mama21mama: You can request an unaffiliated cloak in the meantime if you desire (http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks)
[12:27] <juliux> jussi01: btw it is possible to get #ubucon under the controll of the irc council?
[12:30] <elky> juliux, we tried once before, we can try again though.
[12:31] <jussi01> ummm, it is under our control?
[12:32] <juliux> elky: we have the problem with the channel every year;)
[12:32] <elky> jussi01, not afaik
[12:33] <jussi01> juliux: check the access list
[12:33] <juliux> jussi01: ah cool
[12:34] <juliux> it is possible to set a topic in there? perhaps with a link to #ubucon-de and www.ubucon.de?
[12:34] <juliux> and to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1898
[14:58] <ALAYA> hi, I'm a ubuntu member (https://launchpad.net/~zied.alaya) and I wanna to have a Ubuntu cloak.
[14:59] <ALAYA> I followed  these steps: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[14:59] <ALAYA> should I do some thing else ?
[15:01] <niko> elky: ^
[15:03] <elky> jussi01, nalioth, Pricey, please cloak ALAYA.
[15:03] <niko> one second :)
[15:03] <ALAYA> hi elky :) , how are you ?
[15:04] <elky> incredibly tired. yourself?
[15:04] <ALAYA> thx niko :)
[15:05] <niko> ALAYA: you are now cloaked
[15:05] <ALAYA> thank you very much niko
[15:06] <niko> you're welcome
[22:38] <blizzkid> lo all, anyone here that is on planet.ubuntu and would like to do me a big favor please?
[22:38] <Pricey> blizzkid: What's up?
[22:39] <blizzkid> Pricey: I would like someone that's on planet to spread my latest blogpost http://martijn.sudo-s.net/content/i-oppose-windows7sins since I don't have access to planet
[22:40] <blizzkid> and I believe this is very good for the community
[22:40] <Pricey> !member | blizzkid
[22:41] <blizzkid> Pricey: I know about becoming a member, but that's not the question
[22:41] <Pricey> blizzkid: Ubuntu Members can post to the planet. I'm not sure I like the idea of you badgering existing members pushing your own views.
[22:41] <blizzkid> If someone can spread the message on planet that'll suffice
[22:41] <blizzkid> I'm pretty sure many share my view
[22:41] <nalioth> blizzkid: if it's something of importance, i'm sure someone will blog about it
[22:41] <blizzkid> The FSF is completely wrong with this campaign
[22:42] <Pricey> blizzkid: You have your blog and are spreading your message, if someone likes it, I'm sure they'll spread it too.
[22:42] <nalioth> no need to spam folks to push it for you
[22:42] <blizzkid> nalioth: don't pick on me for trying to get a bit of attention for a _positive_ campaign
[22:42] <ikonia> for what it's worth I don't like the campaign either but spamming it makes it look worthless
[22:43] <ikonia> blizzkid: you're doing more harm than good, you make it look like spam, people have brains and can work it out
[22:43] <Pricey> blizzkid: I'd find it pretty positive if I received £5 from each user here tbh.
[22:43] <nalioth> blizzkid: nobody is 'picking on you'.  we're just stating facts
[22:44] <ikonia> Pricey: I'll post mine to you if that's acceptable
[22:44] <nalioth> post your what, ikonia ?
[22:45] <ikonia> £5
[22:45] <blizzkid> nalioth: I understand your concern, but I've been a community member since 2004, and the FSF's campaign is an utter fail. We should make clear we're a positive community, so if anyone would like to spread the message (I dont't even need credit for it!!) that would be great
[22:45] <nalioth> 0_0
[22:46] <blizzkid> I'm not an Ubuntu member, and won't be one because I don't have high karma in launchpad
[22:46] <ikonia> blizzkid: you're making your positive message look like a bad message, people have brains, rise above it
[22:46] <ikonia> blizzkid: my karma is low, I'm a member
[22:46] <nalioth> blizzkid: noted. and as you've been told - your current methodology of "getting noticed" (at least on irc) isn't helping
[22:46]  * nalioth has no karma  :(
[22:48] <nalioth> blizzkid: you can post it to digg or /. or any other of those types of places.  you can twit it, facespace it, etc
[22:49] <blizzkid> nalioth: I appreciate the suggestions, but imho that would be worse than asking here in terms of "spamming" (digg and /.)
[22:49] <ikonia> blizzkid: no it wouldn't
[22:50] <ikonia> that is what those services are for - irc is not for your advertisment
[22:51] <blizzkid> ikonia: I wasn't trying to advertise here, I was asking if someone would do me a favor, that's a world of difference imho
[22:51] <nalioth> no, actually those places are very democratic.  if the posted subject is "of importance", it'll get modded up / spread by more folks
[22:52] <ikonia> well - this topic's been done to death, bottom line is from an ubuntu point of view, stop spamming it in channels, from your message point of view, you may want to consider how you present your information
[22:57] <blizzkid> k thx
[22:57] <blizzkid> and sorry


[05:01] <MohammadMnt> I am a Windows Programmer and I want to switch to Linux
[05:01] <nirmal> ok
[05:01] <LjL> eidolon: restarted amarok after installing the xine thing?
[05:01] <eidolon> i rebooted :)
[05:01] <icecruncher> eidolon: so how can I continue mirroring the website if i interrup it. same command?
[05:02] <dfeser> hi there!
[05:02] <MohammadMnt> nobody helps me ?
[05:02] <dfeser> is there a way to install automatix without gmome?!
[05:02] <nirmal> you can choose
[05:02] <eidolon> icecruncher: i -think- ther'es something in wget that tells it not to copy new files.
[05:02] <Jucato> !automatix | dfeser
[05:02] <ubotu> dfeser: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:02] <eidolon> if you're mirroring a website, you should use rsync.
[05:02] <eidolon> wget just copies it down once.
[05:02] <nirmal> linux is also easy to use: MohammadMnt
[05:02] <eidolon> rsync will copy anything that's changed.
[05:03] <eidolon> MohammadMnt: you're not asking a real question.  you're asking "What do i want to do with my life?" - there's over 400 people on this channel.  specifics are important.
[05:03] <nirmal> can you come to www.lugvizag.dreamsto.com
[05:03] <nirmal> you can chat with me there
[05:04] <Jacko2007> I got a small problem, how do I uninstall avant windows manager
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Jacko2007: on what operating system?
[05:04] <Jacko2007> Kubuntu
[05:05] <Jacko2007> 2.04
[05:05] <Jacko2007> 7.04*
[05:05] <eidolon> you mean 7.04?
[05:05] <eidolon> k.
[05:05] <Jacko2007> lol
[05:06] <Jacko2007> Avant Window Manager
[05:06] <MohammadMnt> OK,I want to make money in Linux Programming, but i do not know how, because of GPL licence ! :D
[05:07] <SlimeyPete> charge for support.
[05:07] <eidolon> you don't need to GPL license anything you don't want to.
[05:07] <eidolon> linux is a platform just like anthing else.
[05:08] <Jacko2007> how do I uninstall avant or just remove it from start up?
[05:09] <MohammadMnt> what If my program would not need to be supprt ?
[05:09] <SlimeyPete> can you not do it via adept/synaptic/apt-get?
[05:09] <nirmal> MohammadMnt: you can sell CDs or LINUX
[05:09] <SlimeyPete> MohammadMnt: then release the source code but charge for the compiled binary
[05:09] <MohammadMnt> I am a programmer, not a salesperson !
[05:10] <SlimeyPete> and include stuff like a forum registration with the binary
[05:10] <icecruncher> eidolon: so where dows it store the site? having trouble locating t
[05:10] <icecruncher> *it
[05:10] <SlimeyPete> tbh, support is the main way of making money off of GPL software these days
[05:10] <nirmal> yea  i know you give away the cd for free and sell the support
[05:11] <MohammadMnt> for example, a CD/VDV burning software does not need to be support !
[05:11] <Jacko2007> I can't find it in the apt-get (because I don't know the package name) I can't find adept
[05:11] <bipolar> MohammadMnt: Programs that run on Linux do not need to use the GPL licence. If you want to write commercial, closed source software that runs on Linux you can.
[05:11] <nirmal> thats called non-free
[05:11] <MohammadMnt> I know, but I want to make money under GPL licence
[05:11] <SlimeyPete> Jacko2007: Adept should be in the menu under "System"
[05:11] <dfeser> can so tell me how to install java for firefox?
[05:12] <eidolon> MohammadMnt: why?
[05:12] <bipolar> MohammadMnt: you can sell GPL software just like any other software. You just need to provide the source if asked for it.
[05:12] <MohammadMnt> because I like GNU philosephy :D
[05:12] <nirmal> bipolar: you are right
[05:12] <Jucato> just in case it wasn't notice...
[05:12] <Jucato> noticed*
[05:12] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:12] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:13] <Jacko2007> SlimeyPete: I know where adept it but the avant window manager isn't there
[05:13] <simo_> can i get help?
[05:13] <MohammadMnt> ok, but why someone gives me some money while he ro she can get software freely ?
[05:14] <bipolar> MohammadMnt: You'll need to take it to #ubuntu-offtopic and ask there, according to Jucato
[05:14] <Jucato> simo_: yes. just ask your question
[05:14] <Jucato> actually,you can just continue your conversation there
[05:14] <simo_> i cant get sound with tv time for my carte
[05:15] <SlimeyPete> Jacko2007: oh right. How did you install it?
[05:15] <MohammadMnt> ok, thx
[05:15] <Jacko2007> through Konsole but I forgot what the package was called
[05:15] <Jacko2007> hang on I will look
[05:15] <simo_> saa7138
[05:15] <simo_> philips
[05:16] <maass_> hi to all
[05:16] <SlimeyPete> Jacko2007: if you just want to remove it from the sessions menu when you start Kubuntu, then look in /usr/share/xsessions for the file which mentions it (if there is one) and delete it
[05:16] <fdoving> Jacko2007: how did you install this thing?
[05:17] <Jacko2007> I followed some tutorials on the net
[05:17] <Jacko2007> avant-window-navigator that's the package but I got it from an external svn
[05:17] <maass_> i have file it end wthe bin haw can i install in kubuntu ?
[05:18] <fdoving> Jacko2007: can you find it? it is crucial to know how this thing was installed, in order to remove it properly.
[05:18] <SlimeyPete> Jacko2007: dpkg --remove avant-window-navigator
[05:18] <SlimeyPete> sorry, "sudo dpkg --remove avant-window-manager" even
[05:19] <Jacko2007> now it's saying it isn't isntalled
[05:19] <fdoving> Jacko2007: did you follow this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2307772 ?
[05:19] <Jacko2007> http://awn.wetpaint.com/page/UbuntuFeistyHowTo << that one
[05:20] <fdoving> Jacko2007: ok, you didn't install it as a package. you installed it with make instal, which is basically copying files all around your system.
[05:20] <Jacko2007> so how can I uninstall it?
[05:20] <fdoving> Jacko2007: do you have the  avant-window-navigator directory from which you ran the ./autogen.sh and 'make install' commands?
[05:21] <Morrissey> hi, I am trying to open a file with VLC, but when I right click a file, and open with -> VLC, it justs open vld ... it doesnt actually start playing the file ... any ideas?
[05:21] <Morrissey> A friend of mine has the same problem
[05:21] <Jacko2007> not that I know
[05:21] <Jacko2007> I can look
[05:22] <fdoving> Jacko2007: if not, you should follow the steps prior to "sudo make install" in that guide, and instead of "sudo make install" you should run "sudo make uninstall"
[05:22] <Jacko2007> yes I have found it
[05:22] <Jacko2007> found the folder
[05:22] <fdoving> Jacko2007: then try to run "sudo make uninstall" from within the folder.
[05:22] <maass_> i have file it end wthe bin haw can i install in kubuntu ?
[05:22] <The_Machine> let's say i have firefox crap out
[05:22] <fdoving> maass_: from konsole: 'chmod +x file.bin' then './file.bin'
[05:22] <sparrw> am i the only person who thinks symlinking grep to zgrep is a good idea?  i dont ever want grep to tell me "that gz file is a binary", but having to re-grep when i realize i caught gz'd logs in my filespec is annoying
[05:23] <The_Machine> but it's still running somewhere - what's the fastest way BESIDES Ksysguard to identify what the PID or process would be and kill it?
[05:23] <aro> The_Machine, open a console and type ps -A
[05:23] <aro> Look for the PID that matches the application name
[05:23] <The_Machine> sweet
[05:23] <The_Machine> that's exactly what i was looking for.
[05:23] <Jacko2007> I have ran sudo make uninstall
[05:23] <Jacko2007> now what?
[05:23] <eidolon> yay!
[05:23] <fdoving> sparrw: you don't need to symlink it, the gzip package already provides zgrep.
[05:24] <maass_> thanks
[05:24] <fdoving> sparrw: there is also bzgrep
[05:24] <fdoving> Jacko2007: so, i guess it's uninstalled then :)
[05:24] <Jacko2007> it's still running
[05:24] <sparrw> fdoving: i dont want "grep" at all.  id rather always use zgrep
[05:24] <Jacko2007> how do I stop it running
[05:25] <fdoving> sparrw: ah, then i'd suggest an alias in your .bashrc instead of a symlink.
[05:25] <sparrw> fdoving: didnt know about bzgrep, so i guess what i really want is a z/bzgrep-as-grep, but thats a bit more hard
[05:25] <dfeser> why cant i user sun-java6 with firefox?
[05:25] <Jacko2007> it's ok I think I done it
[05:26] <Jacko2007> Thank you
[05:26] <fdoving> sparrw: shouldn't be that hard, you can use 'file' to figure out what kind of file it is. then if it's gzip use zgrep, if bz2 use bzgrep, should be a simple case for a shellscript.
[05:26] <Jucato> dfeser: have you tried sun-java6-plugin?
[05:28] <dfeser> jucato thx works...
[05:29] <sparrw> fdoving: zgrep, and bzgrep now that i checked, handles non-gz files like grep already
[05:30] <fdoving> sparrw: sure, but i guess zgrep doesn't handle .bz2 files very well.. and vice versa.
[05:30] <sparrw> fdoving: aye.  annoying.
[05:30] <fdoving> sparrw: so a grep wrapper to choose the correct one would be nice.
[05:31] <fdoving> not very annoying.. just a little.
[05:31] <fdoving> can't say it has annoyed me much.
[05:32] <fdoving> improvement is of course welcome.
[05:32] <Skrot-> Hi, anyone running edgy + nxserver?
[05:36] <hsystem-x> es!
[05:36] <hsystem-x> !es
[05:36] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:38] <simo_> deutch
[05:38] <blekos> hi, is there a way to lock a folder or file?
[05:39] <blekos> eg. i have an oo document can i zip it with psswd or smg, and if yes what will happen if i want to unzip it in windows
[05:39] <chakie> does anyone have any ideas why my feisty is much slower than edgy at all things graphics? repaints are orders of magnitude slower now and can take up to a few seconds
[05:40] <chakie> it's so slow it's not fun to use and the system constantly has a load of 1.5+, just because i move a few windows or change virtual desktops
[05:40] <eidolon> dammit
[05:40] <eidolon> why is my screensaver not screensaving?
[05:40] <eidolon> it's blanking - it's -not- powering off the monitor.
[05:40] <eidolon> (which is good)
[05:40] <eidolon> but there's nothing displaying.
[05:40] <chakie> this is with an nvidia 6600 and edgy workedfine
[05:40] <eidolon> i haven't had KDE actually show a screensaver in like 2+ years.  it works in the 'Test' configurtion
[05:41] <tdn> How do I make themes for Kopetes chat window?
[05:41] <eidolon> is kubuntu supposed to start Xscreensaver?
[05:41] <oxydon> hey everyone
[05:41] <eidolon> or does it have it's own.
[05:41] <oxydon> i'm facing a problem here
[05:42] <oxydon> i installed the ntfs config but it doesnt want 2 work
[05:42] <oxydon> can anyone help
[05:43] <SlimeyPete> oxydon: did you install ntfs-3g as well?
[05:44] <chakie> the nvidia drivers seem to be used, but something has been configured in the direction of fubar
[05:45] <oxydon> slimeypete: yes i did
[05:46] <The_Machine> I have a gigabit NIC card in this system, but I have a feeling that kubuntu is only picking up a 10 OR 100 MB card.  What's the best way to check it out - and if it's running slow (10 or 100) to bring it up to full speed?
[05:46] <drkns> hello
[05:46] <The_Machine> :)
[05:46] <chakie> the wiki says: "As of Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) the recommended way to install the binary drivers is to use System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager." however, i have nothing such
[05:47] <oxydon> hey can anyone help me overhere
[05:48] <drkns> i would lke to edit my etc/x11/xorg.conf file and i am in recovery mode
[05:48] <drkns> kate cannot connect to x server
[05:48] <drkns> how am i ghoing to do this?
[05:48] <oxydon> cant write on my ntfs drive
[05:48] <SlimeyPete> drkns: use nano.
[05:48] <drkns> ?
[05:48] <drkns> nano
[05:49] <drkns> can you write the whole thing please
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> drkns: it's a text-mode editor. It runs in the terminal. It's quite easy to use.
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> drkns: "sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf"
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> then enter your password
[05:49] <sparrw> Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded...  someone in the marketing department finally figured out that normal people don't [positively]  associate Fooubuntu with Ubuntu.  Maybe some day someone will get their head out of their butts and rename kubuntu to Ubuntu-K[DE]
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> et voila
[05:50] <bobstro> sparrw:  then someone will think ubuntu-X(fce) is adult-oriented.
[05:50] <drkns> i justthe file come up thanks but there seems nothing to edit its all black is that normal?
[05:50] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:51] <SlimeyPete> drkns: try uppercase X11 instead of x11 (sorry - my bad)
[05:51] <oxydon> yo linux pro's need help here
[05:51] <oxydon> i cant write on my ntfs
[05:51] <sparrw> bobstro: then include the 'fce'
[05:51] <virii2dcode> hello
[05:51] <Jucato> oxydon: you really shouldn't write to your ntfs partition/drive directly
[05:51] <bobstro> oxydon:  ntfs, or ntfs-3g?
[05:51] <virii2dcode> any girls here?
[05:51] <bobstro> heh
[05:52] <sparrw> bobstro: they didnt call the new one Mubuntu, for the obvious reason, or Ubuntu-M for less obvious reasons.
[05:52] <Jucato> virii2dcode: this isn't a channel for social chitchat
[05:52] <SlimeyPete> drkns: by the way, the ^ symbol in the keys which are listed at the bottom of the nano screen means "ctrl" e.g. to save, press "ctrl-x"
[05:52] <oxydon> i installed through adept the ntfs-config and it automatically installed ntfs 3g
[05:53] <bobstro> oxydon:  is it mounted rw?
[05:53] <virii2dcode> hey jucato -go suck on a tumato
[05:53] <trix`G> ok how to I tell apt-get to use a .deb file?
[05:53] <sparrw> virii2dcode: if youre just trying to get banned, its easier in #ubuntu, all it takes is a ctcp
[05:53] <Jucato> virii2dcode: be civil or leave
[05:53] <bobstro> sometimes not even
[05:53] <jonathan__> u dont
[05:53] <oxydon> no it is mounted read
[05:54] <jonathan__> u use dpkg
[05:54] <trix`G> so sudo dpkg *.deb?
[05:54] <jonathan__> type sudo dpkg -i <pakage here>
[05:54] <sparrw> trix`G: i believe "apt-get install foo.deb" will work
[05:54] <trix`G> ahh thanks!
[05:54] <trix`G> sparrw: nope
[05:54] <sparrw> jonathan__: thats not nearly the same thing
[05:54] <jonny_> works for me :-D
[05:54] <bobstro> oxydon:  if nobody here offers more details, search through the forums. there's some decent info there. you may have issues with uid etc. too.
[05:54] <bobstro> oxydon:  what's it look like in /etc/fstab?
[05:55] <oxydon> bobstro: the thing is the program is on the system and it aint workin
[05:55] <sparrw> jonnylinuxnerd: fetches dependencies for you?
[05:55] <drkns> thank you very much i reached the file now i need to find to save it or should i just turn reboot
[05:55] <bobstro> jonnylinuxnerd:  i got yapped at for name changes too, so be advised.
[05:55] <jonnylinuxnerd> it tells u if there's problems
[05:55] <bobstro> oxydon:  you mean it's not mounting?
[05:55] <jonnylinuxnerd> that's how i usually do it
[05:55] <trix`G> dpkg doesn't resolve dependancies
[05:55] <SlimeyPete> drkns: to save it, press "ctrl-x" and then hit enter.
[05:55] <trix`G> is there another way that will satisfy deps
[05:55] <drkns> pete thank you very much you saved the day
[05:56] <SlimeyPete> drkns: you should save it before rebooting (though you don't need to reboot - just run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart")
[05:56] <jonnylinuxnerd> dpkg i fink tels u of the dependencies
[05:56] <jonnylinuxnerd> just copy and paste them into apt-get install
[05:56] <SlimeyPete> drkns: no problem, happy to help :)
[05:57] <radaid> hi
[05:57] <jonnylinuxnerd> hello
[05:57] <radaid> alguin de Mxico?
[05:58] <virii2dcode> hello radaid
[05:58] <radaid> hola Viri
[05:58] <radaid> como ests?
[05:58] <virii2dcode> wink-
[05:58] <Jucato> !es | radaid
[05:58] <ubotu> radaid: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:58] <virii2dcode> pokito spanish..
[05:59] <radaid> okis
[05:59] <virii2dcode> Rroberto..
[05:59] <virii2dcode> asl
[05:59] <Jucato> virii2dcode: again, this is not a social channel.
[06:03] <ubuntu> Wheee :)_
[06:05] <cplx> H guys im running kubuntu.. say I want to access the current session remotely.. how can I do it easily?
[06:05] <cplx> Hi*
[06:05] <cplx> jjust like RDP/RDC with windows..
[06:05] <cplx> view console session remotely
[06:06] <jonnylinuxnerd> there is a utility already in kubuntu to do this
[06:06] <bobstro> cplx:  vnc can do most of that.
[06:06] <jonnylinuxnerd> u say u want a console or GUI?
[06:06] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: GUI.. exactly what i see now..
[06:06] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: not SSH style..
[06:06] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: what's the utility called, and what ports need to be forwarded?
[06:07] <virii2dcode> can some one help me find a remote back door to -site  ICANN..?
[06:07] <jonnylinuxnerd> it'ss omewhere on the menu... let me find it
[06:07] <virii2dcode> are ther any smart people like me here?
[06:07] <jonnylinuxnerd> found it! krfb and krdc
[06:07] <jonnylinuxnerd> in internet
[06:08] <virii2dcode> what did you find?
[06:08] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: the invitations expire.. how do i make them infinite
[06:08] <bobstro> virii2dcode:  what do you mean backdoor?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> cplx: Try krfb
[06:08] <jonnylinuxnerd> hmmm
[06:08] <aaroncampbell> virii2dcode: probably plenty that are smarter.  especially after seeing your "asl" from above :|
[06:08] <jonnylinuxnerd> don't have much experience with it
[06:08] <DaSkreech> jonnylinuxnerd: Damn you :-P
[06:09] <virii2dcode> smaller security..
[06:09] <jonnylinuxnerd> maybe u can make it last a really long time ot simeting
[06:09] <virii2dcode> dont doubt my inteligence.
[06:09] <virii2dcode> i chat little ,i slack more.
[06:09] <jonnylinuxnerd> there mite be another tool in the reposieries
[06:09] <jonnylinuxnerd> try serching for VNC in Adept
[06:09] <cplx> DaSkreech: ok i got KRFB going.. so I wont need the invitations stuff when ive enabled uninvited connections etc.etc
[06:09] <virii2dcode> what OS are you running/?
[06:10] <virii2dcode> I have VNC..
[06:10] <jonnylinuxnerd> that mite be bad for security
[06:10] <jonnylinuxnerd> if everyone can just connecy
[06:10] <virii2dcode> I know it is to trackable..
[06:10] <DaSkreech> cplx: That's the idea
[06:10] <cplx> DaSkreech: how do i accept invitations...?
[06:10] <virii2dcode> do you know ICANN
[06:10] <cplx> DaSkreech: how do i accept invitations when im not at the console?
[06:11] <jonnylinuxnerd> lol - fink they made it 2 like the windows version didn't they! :-P
[06:11] <DaSkreech> cplx: Though please only do that if you are on an internal network that drops outside requests
[06:11] <virii2dcode> yup!
[06:11] <DaSkreech> !freenx
[06:11] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[06:11] <DaSkreech> cplx: ^^^
[06:11] <virii2dcode> johhny you are pretty smart.
[06:11] <jonnylinuxnerd> me?
[06:11] <cplx> DaSkreech: I'll tell you what im trying to do.. i want to access this PC on my network from work
[06:11] <virii2dcode> yes..
[06:11] <jonnylinuxnerd> r u bein sarcastic?
[06:11] <cplx> DaSkreech: whenever, so I can use MSN etc..
[06:12] <cplx> DaSkreech: so if i use invitations they expire after an hour.. so how is that gonna work....
[06:12] <DaSkreech> cplx: Ah. I think so
[06:12] <jonnylinuxnerd> i cant tell lol
[06:12] <virii2dcode> do you know the Black Death to Nowaday networks? yersinia?
[06:12] <bobstro> cplx:  i wouldn't open it up directly to the internet in any case!
[06:12] <DaSkreech> cplx: Linux is pretty paranoid by default there is probably a setting to make that longer
[06:12] <virii2dcode> no..sarcasime.
[06:12] <virii2dcode> i have dry humor.
[06:12] <jonnylinuxnerd> kk w/e
[06:12] <morpheus_> what is the best way to cluster 2 kubuntu boxes? and is it easy or hard for a noob to configure?
[06:13] <virii2dcode> do you know ICANN?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> morpheus_: With what intent?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> ICANT
[06:13] <morpheus_> ideally am after transparent failover
[06:13] <cplx> what client do you need VNC?
[06:13] <cplx> realvnc,etc?
[06:13] <morpheus_> a master<>slave scenario would be ideal
[06:13] <virii2dcode> do you understand johhny?
[06:13] <jonnylinuxnerd> wat? i don't need VNC
[06:13] <Jucato> !offtopic | virii2dcode
[06:13] <jonnylinuxnerd> i was helping sum1 who did
[06:13] <ubotu> virii2dcode: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:14] <virii2dcode> do you know ICANN<------
[06:14] <Hobbsee> !offtopic | virii2dcode
[06:14] <ubotu> virii2dcode: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:14] <virii2dcode> what is the topic jucato???<------------------
[06:15] <bobstro> virii2dcode:  heh, for some reason, i was thinking you wanted help with CPAN. never mind.
[06:15] <Jucato> virii2dcode: read it.it's at the top of the window
[06:15] <virii2dcode> keep writing me in red i will take admin axcess!
[06:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: am I being too lenient? :)
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Bye
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[06:16] <Jucato> g'night Hobbsee! ;)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> no, to him :P
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: *shrug*
[06:16] <Jucato> heheh
[06:16] <bobstro> *golf clap*
[06:17] <cplx> What program do u use to connect to KRFB?
[06:17] <EyeVisions> hello all
[06:17] <jonnylinuxnerd> krfc
[06:17] <jonnylinuxnerd> i mean krdc
[06:17] <jonnylinuxnerd> also installed
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Seen New Yakuake?
[06:18] <Jucato> DaSkreech: using it :)
[06:18] <DaSkreech> You got a deb?
[06:18] <Jucato> compiled from svn
[06:18] <Jucato> but there are debs from kde-apps
[06:18] <EyeVisions> do any know how to playing stereo on surround sound setup
[06:18] <morpheus_> any suggestions on clustering/failover kubuntu for a noob?
[06:18] <cplx> IP:1?
[06:18] <cplx> or
[06:18] <cplx> what would i put
[06:19] <cplx> 192.168.xxx.xxx:1?
[06:19] <cplx> 192.168.xxx.xxx:5900 ?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> !heartbeat
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about heartbeat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:19] <DaSkreech> !info heartbeat
[06:19] <ubotu> heartbeat: Subsystem for High-Availability Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.5-3build1 (feisty), package size 486 kB, installed size 1608 kB
[06:19] <EyeVisions> !surround
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about surround - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:19] <DaSkreech> morpheus_: ^^^^
[06:19] <DaSkreech> morpheus_: Oh wait above that :)
[06:19] <cplx> DaSkreech: 192.168.xxx.xxx:1 / 2 / 3
[06:19] <jonnylinuxnerd> wel is the computer ur try 2 connect 2 on the netowk or on the net?
[06:19] <morpheus_> cheers
[06:19] <cplx> DaSkreech: or use the port?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> cplx: Not sure with krfb. We use FreeNX at work
[06:20] <jonnylinuxnerd> wel is it on the net?
[06:20] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: at the moment, on the LAN but i want to access it over the net aswelel
[06:20] <DaSkreech> cplx: open konqueror and type man://krfb
[06:20] <jonnylinuxnerd> kk just ype in it's ip and forget about the port
[06:21] <Jucato> DaSkreech: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Yakuake+for+Kubuntu+7.04+(testing)?content=57807
[06:21] <jonnylinuxnerd> i fink krdc resolves that itslef
[06:22] <cplx> DaSkreech: I mean from Windows to Kubuntu
[06:22] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: windows to kubuntu
[06:23] <cplx> Remote Desktop Client?
[06:23] <jonnylinuxnerd> oh err...
[06:23] <cplx> VNC?
[06:23] <jonnylinuxnerd> something more like VNC i guess
[06:23] <trix`G> ok I have a problem.  I've installed Beryl, it seems to be working (I have the cube and stuff), but for some reason none of the windows have a title bar and Emerald themes wont load or change.
[06:23] <jonnylinuxnerd> i dunno never tried VNC barley use krfb
[06:24] <jonnylinuxnerd> Trix'G: basically beryl worked
[06:24] <jonnylinuxnerd> TRix'G: but then crashed
[06:24] <jonnylinuxnerd> Trix'G: so now have no windows manager
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Far as I know FreeNX works on Windows and is interoperable with Linux
[06:25] <jonnylinuxnerd> Trix'G: to start 1 Press Crtl+Alt+F1 and logon then type kwin --display=:0 then press Crtl+Alt+F7
[06:25] <cplx> DaSkreech: so download FreeNX on Windows and use that as the client
[06:25] <cplx> ?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> cplx: That's an option
[06:26] <EyeVisions> i use VNC cplx
[06:28] <jarle_> Using latest Firefox in Feisty it has been crashing on my at random lately, a known bug?
[06:29] <bobstro> jarle_:  have you tried safe mode, disabling plugins?
[06:30] <jonnylinuxnerd> jarie_: i hafve noticed a lot of programs in feisty seem to crash randomly...
[06:30] <jonnylinuxnerd> jarie_: e.g. konqueror and ktorrent
[06:30] <EyeVisions> firefox works ok here
[06:31] <jonnylinuxnerd> EyeVisions: and ur on fesity?
[06:31] <EyeVisions> yep
[06:31] <DaSkreech> cplx: EyeVisions might be more help than I am :)
[06:32] <jonnylinuxnerd> EyeVisions: wat about other KDE apps?
[06:32] <EyeVisions> got problems beryl
[06:33] <EyeVisions> and with mine surround
[06:33] <DaSkreech> EyeVisions: Asked in #ubuntu-effects ?
[06:34] <EyeVisions> i can duplicate mine stereo to surround 4.0 but then amarok stop with error xine engine
[06:41] <jonathan__> !aptfix
[06:41] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:51] <gorara> hello, anyone know how to "alt-tab" out of open arena in ubuntu feisty ?
[06:52] <gorara> anyone know the shortcut keys?
[06:52] <pheaver> gorara: open arena?
[06:53] <gorara> quake iii clone but open source
[06:53] <pheaver> ohhh
[06:53] <gorara> i want to switch to myu desktop without closing it
[06:53] <pheaver> hmm....
[06:53] <gorara> like alt-tab in windows
[06:53] <pheaver> and none of the global shortcut keys work?  like, if you bound F-10 to minimize, for example
[06:54] <pheaver> in kde
[06:54] <gorara> aha
[06:54] <gorara> whats the default binding for kde?
[06:54] <gorara> to minimize
[06:54] <pheaver> not sure
[06:54] <pheaver> check the kontrol panel
[06:54] <Lynoure> Cannot get kpilot to work again, not even with handloaded visor module... Any ideas?
[06:54] <pheaver> or whatever it's called
[06:54] <pheaver> in the Menu -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse
[06:54] <gorara> good point
[06:55] <gorara> ok done
[06:55] <pheaver> lemme know if that doesn't work, cause open arena may just block those shortcuts
[06:55] <pheaver> and take over basically
[06:55] <gorara> checkin
[06:55] <gorara> nah
[06:55] <gorara> didn't work
[06:56] <gorara> any other ideas?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> ask in #openarena ?
[06:58] <gorara> thnx
[06:58] <gorara> hmm, no one htere
[06:59] <pheaver> gorara: how much does openarena resemble the original quake iii???
[06:59] <pheaver> i've never even heard of it before :p
[06:59] <gorara> eh.. the gfx aren't as good in my opinion
[06:59] <pheaver> oh ok
[06:59] <gorara> but the gameplay is pretty much the same
[06:59] <pheaver> ah cool
[06:59] <gorara> fast too
[06:59] <soulrider__> have you tried nexuiz or warsow ?
[07:00] <gorara> what are those?
[07:00] <gorara> ah
[07:00] <gorara> is nexuiz any good?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> It's fast
[07:03] <DaSkreech> like ridiculous fast
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Ludicrous speed
[07:03] <pheaver> gorara: can you run openarena in windowed mode instead of fullscreen?
[07:03] <pheaver> some programs release mouse/keyboard control when you press Alg+G or Control+Alt or some other shortcut
[07:04] <gorara> cool, ill try nexuiz
[07:04] <gorara> how wouldi run it in windowed mode?
[07:04] <pheaver> i dunno, there should be an option in the program
[07:05] <gorara> i tried control-alt-d
[07:05] <gorara> "show desktop"
[07:05] <gorara> didn't work
[07:05] <pheaver> yeah, i think openarena is grabbing your keyboard, so no KDE shortcuts will work
[07:05] <gorara> hmm, there must be a way
[07:07] <DaSkreech> gorara: Have you checked the openarena keys?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> they might have a fullscreen toggle
[07:08] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[07:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:08] <pheaver> Alt+Enter, for example, often toggles fullscreen
[07:09] <gorara> hmm yes, alt-enter worked
[07:09] <gorara> but it doesn't let my mouse out of the window
[07:09] <gorara> can't use alt-tab threre either
[07:09] <gorara> so its just stuck in windowed mode
[07:10] <pheaver> yeah
[07:10] <gorara> no keys in openarena for windowed or full screen mode
[07:10] <pheaver> so this is openarena grabbing your keyboard
[07:10] <pheaver> try Alg+g
[07:10] <pheaver> to release the mouse/keyboard
[07:10] <gorara> nope...
[07:10] <pheaver> i think in X11 this is called DXGrab or XGrabPointer
[07:11] <pheaver> so if you google that you *might* find what you want
[07:11] <gorara> ok.. thanks for your help
[07:14] <coreymon77> what are there always awkward silences whenever i join this channel?
[07:15] <pheaver> we're avoiding you
[07:15] <pheaver> err, whoever you are
[07:15] <coreymon77> w/e
[07:15] <pheaver> :)
[07:15] <sybux_> hi all
[07:16] <pheaver> anyone use screen and konsole?
[07:16] <pheaver> i've found that, after switching from gentoo to ubuntu, konsole won't let me scroll up in my screen sessions
[07:17] <sybux_> I've got problem with my smtp since I've updated to festy. It ask me to enter password but it fails everytime
[07:17] <coreymon77> thats odd, it should
[07:17] <coreymon77> pheaver: im able to
[07:17] <pheaver> coremon77: talking to me?
[07:17] <pheaver> ah ok
[07:17] <coreymon77> yup
[07:17] <pheaver> yeah, it was working fine until recently
[07:17] <pheaver> and i haven't found any konsole setting to fix it
[07:17] <coreymon77> you sure you havent changed any setings?
[07:17] <pheaver> yeah
[07:18] <pheaver> actually, you know what, i just tried xterm, and screen won't scroll in that either
[07:18] <pheaver> so it's screen's fault i think
[07:18] <pheaver> and i KNOW i haven't changed a single screen setting in like a year
[07:18] <coreymon77> couldbe
[07:18] <llutz> pheaver: so it doesn't in yakuake :(
[07:18] <jhutchins> pheaver: Screen uses an alternative scrollbuffer.
[07:18] <jhutchins> pheaver: Uses different controls.
[07:18] <parth> how do i change boot service in kubuntu
[07:18] <gorara> shift-pageup?
[07:18] <pheaver> yeah
[07:19] <pheaver> i have issues with scrolling in ssh sessions... essentially if i move to another screen window and then back, my scrollback buffer is lost
[07:19] <pheaver> but it's always worked fine in konsole when i'm on the same computer as the screen session
[07:19] <jhutchins> gorara: That doesn't work in screen.
[07:19] <pheaver> is there a screen command to scroll up?
[07:19] <jhutchins> pheaver: man screen.  Yes.
[07:19] <pheaver> yeah i am there now
[07:25] <sophia> hi
[07:25] <sybux_> any1 know postfix and sasl authentication ? I've got some problem after upgrading to festy
[07:25] <parth> how do i stop sendmail
[07:26] <jhutchins> pheaver: termcapinfo xterm|xterms|xs|rxvt ti@:te@
[07:26] <jhutchins> in /etc/screenrc
[07:26] <fdoving> parth: sudo /etc/init.d/sendmail stop, are you sure you have sendmail?
[07:26] <jhutchins> pheaver: Will restore expected behavior.
[07:26] <parth> yes
[07:27] <pheaver> jhutchins ?
[07:27] <pheaver> where do i put that?
[07:27] <julio> coo
[07:29] <jhutchins> [12:26]  <jhutchins> in /etc/screenrc
[07:29] <jhutchins> In fact, it should be line 89, just uncomment it.
[07:29] <pheaver> oh, haha
[07:29] <pheaver> i didn't even see your "in /etc/screenrc"
[07:29] <pheaver> so i just tried to run the command in the console
[07:30] <pheaver> ah, this explains why it worked in gentoo and not ubuntu
[07:30] <pheaver>  /etc/screenrc was different in gentoo :p
[07:32] <eidolon> un. be. lievable.  i just used the KDE add printer wizard.  to add a printer i had not configured locally - the printer is on a remote Windows XP box.  an HP colorjet.
[07:32] <eidolon> and.
[07:32] <eidolon> it just plain worked.
[07:32] <eidolon> it's frippin miraculous.
[07:32] <pheaver> . . .
[07:32] <pheaver> wow
[07:32] <pheaver> kubuntu/KDE, I love it
[07:33] <pheaver> I'm a gentoo user who's been switching between ubuntu and gentoo a lot lately, and I think I'm finally sticking to kubuntu
[07:34] <maass> haw i can in as root ?
[07:35] <maass>  haw i can in as root ?
[07:35] <eidolon> set a password for it.
[07:35] <eidolon> and don't. :)
[07:35] <eidolon> you should never have to log in as root.  log in as your base user and use 'sudo
[07:36] <pheaver> maass: sudo passwd
[07:36] <pheaver> but don't do it :)
[07:36] <Skrot-> You can do "sudo su -" to log in as root without a pass
[07:36] <Skrot-> Without setting a root-password that is
[07:36] <pheaver> or sudo -s  (possible with a -H at the end)
[07:46] <Jucato_> sudo -i
[07:46] <jhutchins_lt> Which kinda defeats the whole "don't run as root" philosophy.
[07:46] <luca> by the way
[07:47] <luca> how can I access as root?
[07:47] <luca> with gui I mean, not just on the konsole :)
[07:47] <jhutchins_lt> !sudo | luca
[07:47] <ubotu> luca: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:47] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_lt: Don't login as root is not quite the same as don't run as root
[07:47] <jhutchins_lt> !kdesu | luca
[07:47] <ubotu> luca: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:47] <DaSkreech> luca: use kdesu
[07:47] <jhutchins_lt> DaSkreech: Right, but the idea is to not run as root.
[07:48] <jhutchins_lt> That's why the account's locked.
[07:48] <luca> yeah but I NEED to run as root
[07:48] <luca> not just some applications
[07:48] <jhutchins_lt> luca: Bet you don't.
[07:48] <jhutchins_lt> You don't need to be logged in as root in linux.
[07:49] <luca> you'd lose :) I need to install some samsung drivers, and I need to be user root
[07:49] <luca> using kdesu or sudo do not function, permission denied
[07:49] <gary_> how come kde can mount audio cd's and gnome appears not to ?
[07:49] <sybux> I've got some problems with kNetworkManager. I can't connect wireless with it
[07:50] <jhutchins_lt> luca: Well, then, read the first page above.  Everything you need to know is on my IRC screen right now.
[07:50] <luca> ehm I see only kdesu and sudo instructions
[07:50] <luca> which do not function in this case :-/
[07:51] <BluesKaj> gary, ask the ppl at ubuntu :)
[07:51] <jhutchins_lt> luca: Read carefully.
[07:51] <jhutchins_lt> It's there.
[07:51] <sybux> KnetworkManager only allow me to do a manual configuration and not automatic as previously on edgy
[07:53] <luca> still not seeing it :-/ I need to begin a whole session as root, not just run an application.
[07:53] <DaSkreech> luca: open a root konsole
[07:54] <luca> it does not function.
[07:54] <luca> I have already tried it.
[07:54] <luca> the driver needs me to be in a root session, it's not my fault.
[07:54] <BluesKaj> I see the medibuntu site is extremely slow today
[07:54] <BluesKaj> repos that is
[07:58] <DaSkreech> luca: Did you try a sudo su - ?
[08:00] <luca> DaSkreech: what is it?
[08:01] <luca> does it allow for a konsole session to become as root?
[08:03] <geoff_> Hello
[08:03] <geoff_> I've got a bit of a dumb problem
[08:04] <geoff_> I tried getting the Flash player with apt-get, and it timed out, so I killed it, but now every time I try to run apt-get, it tries to download it again. How do I get it out of the queue?
[08:05] <Lam_> my kubuntu doesn't shutdown properly like 50% of the time and i heard it was related to usplash. how do i disable usplash?
[08:05] <Minataku> http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/wincrashes/unstab81.png << Off-topic, but I want to share this with you all :3
[08:05] <DaSkreech> luca: Yes
[08:06] <DaSkreech> aseigo: how was lunch?
[08:06] <aseigo> good, thx
[08:13] <parth> how do i permanently stop sendmail from starting
[08:14] <luca> DaSkreech: I am really puzzled at the stupidity of the driver :-/
[08:14] <luca> when I copied it to a local folder from the disk, it started without a sweat
[08:14] <DaSkreech> luca: Please write a e-mail to samsung asking them to open source the driver :)
[08:14] <DaSkreech> luca: it was on a CD ?
[08:14] <luca> yep
[08:15] <luca> only problem now is it says the cups_backend is not active
[08:15] <DaSkreech> luca: Never install drivers right off a CD
[08:15] <luca> any advice? this should be easier :)
[08:15] <luca> ehm already done I fear :$
[08:16] <DaSkreech> They normally require something to write back to the folder which is of course unwriteable
[08:16] <DaSkreech> So it will realize that you have to raise permissions and ask you to run as root
[08:17] <luca> uhm probably the error I was experiencing
[08:17] <DaSkreech> I fear though that even root yes yes I know it's true but even root cannot write back to a CD on the fly
[08:17] <luca> anyway any advice about enabling the cups_backend get printer?
[08:19] <DaSkreech> !cups
[08:19] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[08:20] <luca> thanks :)
[08:20] <luca> ok gotta get outta here, dinner :D
[08:20] <luca> see you
[08:26] <VSpike> The edgy wiki at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy includes info for installing additional fonts, but the feisty version does not.  Is there a particular reason for that, or is it juts an omission?
[08:27] <VSpike> I seem to have quite limited fonts available in feisty and I'd like to install some more
[08:27] <konam_> someone here knows how to disable the http cache stuff in kopete, and the knotify?
[08:28] <VSpike> Also what's the difference between http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_improve_sub-pixel_font_rendering_for_Feisty and http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_enable_smooth_fonts
[08:32] <stivani> VSpike: The first one installs packages with experimental patches and the last one just enable autohinting I think
[08:38] <holzmodem> hi, since today my kde doesnt start automaticaly, i have to login at tty1 and execute /etc/init.d/kdm start.... where can i check what is wrong
[08:57] <DaSkreech> holzmodem_: probably ~/.xsessionerrors
[08:57] <lz1gjd> !fglrx
[08:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:59] <lz1gjd> there was some nice tutorial on installing beryl on kubuntu feisty with fglrx, but i forgot the address and can't find it now, can any1 tell me where i can find one ?
[09:07] <DaSkreech> !beryl | lz1gjd
[09:07] <ubotu> lz1gjd: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:11] <mads-> Can I change screeensaver from command line?
[09:15] <jrick> is there any flashcard type program for KDE that I can use to help me memorize words?  I have been using Granule for GTK/Gnome, but I would like to have a Qt or KDE app that would be just as helpful.
[09:19] <jrick> I think I found what I wanted: kwordquiz
[09:29] <juancarlos> buenassss
[09:30] <juancarlos> hace dos dias q pertenezco a linux
[09:30] <astan> hello folks. i upgraded to feisty on my laptop, and powermanager no longer shows the frequency of my CPU cores when hovering it with the mouse.. anyone had this problem?
[09:30] <astan> (it just says 0 Mhz, instead of 2000Mhz like it did in edgy).
[09:35] <r4663r> hello
[09:36] <r4663r> anybody using ktechlab?
[09:37] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty (7.04), and java can't seem to see my print service.  Has anyone else had this problem?  I get "No Print Service Found." when I try to print.  I tried in jedit and Zend Studio.  I also tried using Sun Java 5 from the repos, and the java that comes with Zend Studio.  Any Ideas?
[09:46] <aldin> i have kubuntu 7.04 x86_64, ho to install opera for 64bit arch?
[09:47] <jujimufu> heya everyone
[09:47] <maass_> join #ubuntu-sa/
[09:47] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: uM...
[09:47] <jujimufu> do you know any good video-capture application for kubuntu?
[09:47] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: Boot from the CD and click "install"?
[09:47] <Tm_T> jujimufu: does Kaffeine work?
[09:48] <jujimufu> yeah. Can it capture too?
[09:48] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: Oh, sorry, not reading carefully.
[09:48] <jhutchins_lt> !info opera
[09:48] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:48] <aldin> jhutchins_lt: ok
[09:48] <frojnd> hello
[09:48] <jhutchins_lt> !find opera
[09:48] <jujimufu> Tm_T: can I capture with kaffeine?
[09:48] <jujimufu> !opera
[09:48] <Tm_T> jujimufu: I assume so
[09:48] <ubotu> File opera found in apparmor-profiles, crossfire-maps, crossfire-maps-small, debian-edu-config, localization-config
[09:48] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:48] <aldin> jhutchins_lt: btw how to run flash_player under amd64
[09:49] <Tm_T> jujimufu: but don't know really
[09:49] <frojnd> How can I change resolution to 1240*1024 since there is no such option under Monito & display? only in xorg...
[09:49] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: I don't even know if flash is available for 64.  I believe some people have it working, but I'm not sure how.
[09:49] <jujimufu> Tm_T: no it doesn't.
[09:49] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: I know multimedia is one of the main reasons people run 32b on 64.
[09:50] <cox377> FOR SOME reason, when i go to log in ubuntu just hangs, it's the new 704 version, it doesnt crash just doesnt load
[09:50] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: Google and the ubuntu wiki's will be your best bet for this.
[09:51] <jhutchins_lt> frojnd: You will have to determine if the driver for your card supports that resolution, and correctly configure a modeline that your card and monitor can use.
[09:51] <mcoetzee> Howzit guys, wondering if somebody can help me with kubuntu 7.04
[09:52] <aldin> jhutchins_lt: i am very experience i386 user, but just wanna try 64bit so i though u knew some workarround to use lib32 under amd64, ok i will investigaet bit... btw this is error http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/19841/
[09:52] <mcoetzee> I've got an IBM thinkpad T43P, and I've just installed kubuntu, my resolution is running 1600x1200, but everything on the screen looks quite big
[09:52] <Heavy_> Is there some trick to getting Kubuntu (kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386) cd to load at all? I have a P4 whit HT and a nvidia6800 gfx card? i get to se the logo and the blue bara slides back and forth then when it starts to load it reboots my comp.
[09:53] <mcoetzee> I've hunt around the net, and saw that you should change the DisplaySize in the xorg.conf file, but It has no effect
[09:53] <frojnd> jhutchins_lt: Yes card support it (1240*1024) I have those settings under XP also I have supported drivers for my fx 5500 (nvidia-xgl-new)
[09:53] <aldin> mcoetzee: go to kontrol center ant set "force 96dpi" for fonts, it works for me, let me guess u have ati card as I?
[09:53] <mcoetzee> aldin: Yup, ATI firegl card
[09:54] <aldin> mcoetzee: an offcourse logout/login to take effect
[09:54] <mcoetzee> aldin: The font's is only part of the problem, the rest of the screen, how can I say this, looks big...I'm used to gnome
[09:54] <mcoetzee> I did restart the X server
[09:55] <Pr301> hi all.. I need help on installing linux to a macbook pro..
[09:55] <Inter-> Hi there. Just wondering, does anyone know how to make a KDE window hide the frame menubar permanently - Or how to save those settings for that program/window?
[09:56] <jhutchins_lt> frojnd: Not only does the card need to support it, but so does the driver.  You need to find out what driver it uses, and see what special things that driver needs.  You also need to figure out a modeline that will work with your monitor's sync rates and your video ram.
[09:56] <slougi> Inter-: do you mean the window decoration?
[09:56] <Inter-> yes.
[09:56] <Pr301> anyone can help plx...?
[09:56] <Inter-> It's the Right Click -> Advanced -> No Border option I'm wondering about.
[09:56] <Tm_T> !mac
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:56] <slougi> Inter-: right click on the decoration -> configure window behaviour -> window specific settings
[09:56] <slougi> Inter-: that way you can save settings
[09:57] <jhutchins_lt> Heavy_: Try adding the commands noapic or noapci at boot.
[09:57] <frojnd> jhutchins_lt: I have no idea how I am gonna do this..
[09:57] <aldin> mcoetzee: can we have a screenshot please, and btw do u use fglrx or ati driver?
[09:57] <mcoetzee> aldin: ati driver
[09:57] <Tm_T> Pr301: ppc?
[09:57] <aldin> mcoetzee: did u try installing fglrx (xorg-driver-fglrx)
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> frojnd: Determine card type and model.  Find out what driver it's loading via reading the xorg.conf file.  Go to the xorg web site.
[09:58] <michael> in feisty my sound has stopped working, tried instructions from several sources but I can't fix it.
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> :v kernel
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> !v kernel
[09:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about v kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> !version kernel
[09:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about version kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <mcoetzee> aldin: I tried to install the fglrx driver, but X did not like the xorg.conf file...I must also add, that I upgraded from 6.06 to 7.0.4 - I had fglrx driver loaded before upgrading
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> Sorry.
[09:59] <jhutchins_lt> michael: You will probably need to change to a different kernel, possibly an earlier one.
[09:59] <Pr301> Tm_T: no, intel..
[10:00] <Tm_T> and problem is?
[10:00] <Inter-> slougi: ah sweet. thanks.
[10:00] <mcoetzee> aldin: Should I try to get the fglrx driver working, do you think this would solve my problem?
[10:00] <Pr301> I downloaded the 64bit cd but I can't boot...
[10:00] <Tm_T> interesting
[10:01] <aldin> mcoetzee: was it ever ok on ubuntus? did u try other distros, did u follow right ati proprietary howto?
[10:01] <hitmanWilly> the 64 bit cd's set up for AMD iirc
[10:01] <Tm_T> yup
[10:01] <Pr301> it says fot intel too...
[10:02] <mcoetzee> aldin: Yup, I switched to ubuntu (dapper drake) and I've upgraded ever since. This is the first time X complains about the fglrx driver, but I must say, I havent spent to much time trying to get it to work
[10:02] <Pr301> "64bit AMD and Intel computers"
[10:02] <aldin> mcoetzee: when u type fglrxinfo in konsole does it shows mesa3d or ATI3D, btw did u put Composite "Disable" in xorg.conf?
[10:03] <mcoetzee> aldn: Mesa
[10:03] <mcoetzee> Aldin: Yes, I added the disable composite property
[10:04] <mcoetzee> aldin: Maybe I should do a fresh installation of 7.04. Maybe I have some legacy scripts catching-up with me...The thing is, If I need todo a re-install, it's gonna take me a whole day to get websphere installed with all it's gazzilion patches ;)
[10:04] <mcoetzee> I don't feel like doing this now..or even soon ;)
[10:06] <majnoon> anyone else having problems burning cdroms after feisty upgrade ??
[10:06] <Inter-> slougi: there we go =) Eterm'alike Konsole.. Now I'm happy :)
[10:09] <aldin> mcoetzee: why dont u try live cd if it looks ok then install it (btw on my ati card i just put force 96dpi and font are ok - btw2 on GNOME/ubuntu it is bydefault 96dpi)
[10:09] <aldin> mcoetzee: i am on kubuntu70.4
[10:09] <Pr301> another question.. can I install ubuntu on an external hd?
[10:11] <genii> OK, when you make changes via System Settings..Login Manager (Admin mode) where does this get saved?
[10:11] <aldin> is there symbol for copyleft like this -> but different?
[10:11] <mcoetzee> adlin: Cool, it's just, I can get the fonts, etc, smaller but it's the space window frames, etc takes up. It's quite huge, and I'm using Eclipse IDE as my development tool, and everything just looks so huge. anywyas, I'll spend some time to get the correct driver loaded, then I'll try the dpi again. Thanks for all the help
[10:12] <raylu> Pr301, yes, but its not too easy
[10:12] <aldin> mcoetzee: ur welcome, btw first be sure u have fglrxinfo -> OK, then u have ur maximum possible monitor resolution
[10:12] <raylu> aldin, not in most charsets, no
[10:12] <raylu> actually, not in any charset that i know of
[10:12] <aldin> raylu: how could i put it on my site besides png or jpg logo?
[10:13] <genii> Somewhere in /usr/share/apps/kdm  or so?
[10:13] <Pr301> :S ok, I'll give it a try sometime.. ;)
[10:13] <mcoetzee> adlin: thanks...If I get it sorted out tonight, wich I doubt, I'll let you know...
[10:13] <Pr301> thnx guys.. c ya all.. ;)
[10:13] <raylu> aldin, no other way that i know of; it'd have to be an image
[10:14] <majnoon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19845/
[10:16] <sean_> when I make amistake in the terminal it makes anoise like a depth charge which my wife can't stand, how can I change it
[10:17] <raylu> sean_, turn the bell off. i assume you mean konsole?
[10:19] <genii> OK, when you make changes via System Settings..Login Manager (Admin mode) where does this get saved? Somewhere in the local user's home dir or in some conf file for kdm or kde etc etc?
[10:20] <OutoLumo> genii, userwide settings go under /home/user/.kde ...
[10:20] <genii> OutoLumo OK thx I'll look there.
[10:21] <OutoLumo> genii, For systemwide there is corresponding somewhere under the /usr
[10:22] <frojnd> !reconfigure
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reconfigure - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <frojnd> !reconfigure xorg
[10:22] <frojnd> what's the command to reconfigure xorg.conf?
[10:22] <raylu> login manager would be systemwide
[10:23] <raylu> dpkg-reconfigure
[10:23] <genii> OutoLumo Since it needs su/sudo privelege I suspect it's in some global setting someplace other then home dir hier
[10:23] <raylu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, i think
[10:23] <raylu> the login manager is before you login anyway...
[10:24] <OutoLumo> genii, spcificallu which?
[10:24] <genii> raylu Yes, thats what I'm thinking. But I can't seem to find some kdm config file with login prefs someplace inside
[10:25] <OutoLumo> genii, /usr/share/apps/kdm ?
[10:26] <genii> OutoLumo Well, I'm trying to replicate a login preferences across many boxes by finding this file then just copying/chown it etc as neccesary. The boxes all have incremental usernames so it would be easier this way than manually etc each time. It's for users allowed to login w/out passwd etc etc
[10:26] <genii> OutoLumo Yes I looked there but mostly there appears to be theme settings, user pic etc
[10:27] <OutoLumo> genii, have you checked man kdm?
[10:27] <genii> OutoLumo Darn I was hoping not to LOL
[10:27] <genii> Hangon I'll see if it's enlightening
[10:27] <OutoLumo> genii, it gives location: /etc/kde3/kdm/
[10:28] <genii> OutoLumo OK, I'll take a look... thx
[10:28] <user_> i've got the new ubuntu installed on a 600mhz p3, is there anyway to strip ubuntu back a bit whilst keeping it's good looks
[10:28] <OutoLumo> genii, it seems there's about two tons of options there so you might find it a good idea to study the manpage as well..
[10:29] <raylu> user_, this is the kubuntu channel :P
[10:29] <user_> raylu: lol good point
[10:29] <sean_> i'VE INSTALLED ALL THE BERYL STUFF BUT i DON'T THINK IT'S WORKING
[10:29] <raylu> xubuntu, but you said something about good looks...which I don't understand
[10:29] <OutoLumo> user_, probably, but I think you should ask that on #ubuntu...
[10:29] <raylu> sean_, ctrl+alt+right?
[10:30] <OutoLumo> sean_, what's your grapics card?
[10:30] <sean_> my desktop doesn't look or act any diffrent
[10:30] <raylu> is beryl-manager, the red thing, running?
[10:30] <sean_> is that red diamond in the system tray?
[10:30] <sean_> no
[10:30] <raylu> then run it :P
[10:30] <sean_> card is ati radeon 9600
[10:31] <sean_> how do i start it, there's nothing in the menus
[10:31] <OutoLumo> sean_, that should be supported, IIRC. Mine isn't :-(
[10:31] <genii> OutoLumo OK, got the file. It's the kdmrc inside the /etc/kde3/kdm dir
[10:31] <raylu> alt+f2, beryl-manager
[10:31] <raylu> and there should be something in the menus
[10:32] <OutoLumo> genii, heck :-) sounds kinda intuitive, I should have known in the first place.
[10:32] <genii> OutoLumo Heh :)
[10:33] <genii> OutoLumo At least now I can just do some script to keep incrementing usernames and copying the file
[10:33] <OutoLumo> genii, that's what you wanted :-) I'm just ashamed...
[10:34] <OutoLumo> The global configs are _always_ in /etc... and named rc...
[10:34] <sean_> crash handler is running
[10:34] <genii> OutoLumo Ah, OK, like *bsd /usr/local/etc/rc.conf then
[10:35] <OutoLumo> genii, yes, a bit. It's a linux standard to have global configs under /etc... Also in many unices.
[10:36] <raylu> unices, eh?
[10:37] <raylu> Several plural forms of Unix are used to refer to multiple brands of Unix and Unix-like systems. Most common is the conventional "Unixes", but the hacker culture which created Unix has a penchant for playful use of language, and "Unices" (treating Unix as Latin noun of the third declension) is also popular. The Anglo-Saxon plural form "Unixen" is not common, although occasionally seen.
[10:38] <raylu> unixen..........................................wtf?
[10:38] <banjooie> Okay, so, I am attempting to get with the times, and install pidgin, because it is what the cool people do. However, it is complaining that I need some crazy GTK 2.0 development thing. This does not appear to be in my package repository, and I've pretty much set up the whole nineyards with that sucker.
[10:38] <banjooie> Therefore: Can someone either give me the name of the thing I'm looking for, or give me a repository which will have it.
[10:38] <genii> I prefer boxen for many boxes but not "unixen" LOL
[10:39] <raylu> it would be libgtk2-dev, im guessing
[10:39] <banjooie> Excellent, thank you.
[10:39] <OutoLumo> raylu, ox, oxen, unix, unixen...
[10:39] <banjooie> I was..for some bizarre reason, looking for something starting with gtk
[10:39] <raylu> gah, where is that package search
[10:40] <raylu> yes, i know, but it just sounds really strange
[10:40] <frojnd> does anyone know how to manually set frequency in xorg.conf ??
[10:41] <frojnd> frrequency of refreshing for certain resolution??
[10:41] <raylu> supported frequencies should be in your gui system settings thing
[10:41] <banjooie> I dunno. What's the frequency, Kenneth?
[10:42] <amnesiac_> hi dude frojnd.. I prefere sudo dpkg-reconfigure --phigh xserver-xorg
[10:42] <raylu> modelines should also have HORZxVERT@FREQ, though the frequency is optional
[10:42] <raylu> (i think)
[10:42] <OutoLumo> Any ideas how to test microphone?
[10:42] <amnesiac_> it does the thing by default when your in trouble
[10:43] <genii> frojnd I'm pretty sure you can do like: "1024 x 768 @ 85"  or somesuch
[10:43] <frojnd> hi dude amnesiac_ I can't set it there couse there is somekind of error...
[10:43] <frojnd> genii: ok I'll give it a try
[10:43] <amnesiac_> i think at 60 hz dude
[10:43] <genii> frojnd You may want to google some xorg.conf samples
[10:44] <amnesiac_> oh sorry now i get your trouble
[10:44] <frojnd> genii: ok
[10:44] <amnesiac_> you got an ati card ??
[10:44] <Skuller> is it safer to write to ntfs usin kubun (ntfs-3g/fuse) or safer to write to ext3 usin vista (Ext2IFS)?
[10:44] <banjooie> Also, stupid newbie question time: ...Do I need a virus scanner? No, seriously, do I really need a virus scanner on this linux box?
[10:44] <banjooie> On a windows box it's just a given, offhand.
[10:45] <genii> Skuller My vote is to write to ext3 from windoze since it is an open file system and does not need to be reverse engineered
[10:45] <amnesiac_> try clamav virus scanner and something for rootkits banjooie
[10:45] <ardchoille> banjooie: Please read this regarding Linux viruses: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[10:45] <Skuller> genii: ok, thanks
[10:45] <ardchoille> banjooie: But, I do recommend installing and running rkhunter and chkrootkit.
[10:45] <Skrot-> banjooie: No, you don't need a virus scanner. Most virus scanners in linux are used for servers scanning mails for virus.
[10:46] <banjooie> Okay, cool, I'll do that.
[10:46] <genii> banjooie If you really want one, clamav is pretty good. The kde frontend is klamav
[10:46] <trollo> brauche hilfe Kubuntu 7.04 und nvidia treiber
[10:46] <OutoLumo> Skuller, how about writing in the (ancient) VFAT?
[10:46] <Black_Cat> btw speaking of plural: "virii", not "viruses" :)
[10:47] <banjooie> ...yeah. Bloody 7.04. I need to get that working, too. Actually, first I need to find out if it screws ATI cards, because /everything/ seems to.
[10:47] <genii> Skuller If you transfer files bigger than 4Gb you want to forget about using vfat for shared partition. Otherwise it's not a bad idea
[10:48] <cpk1> its safer to use ext I am pretty sure
[10:49] <genii> cpk1 I absolutely agree
[10:49] <cpk1> granted I havent heard any about any data loss with ntfs-3g but it can still happen
[10:49] <cpk1> if you use ext you just wont have a journal when you write from windows
[10:51] <genii> cpk1 Mainly it seems to have issues with localisation in the filesystem when mounting if not utf8 or something like a standard iso or codepage
[10:51] <genii> (ntfs-3g)
[10:51] <cpk1> also I have noticed that the windows ext driver can have problems with file names sometimes
[10:51] <chx> is it possible to set per torrent limits in ktorrent?
[10:52] <genii> cpk1 The one I normally use from fs-driver.org seems to work well. No filename issues that I've noticed anyhow
[10:53] <trollo> kann mir jemand in Deutsch helfen ???
[10:53] <Black_Cat> !de
[10:53] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:53] <genii> !de | trollo
[10:53] <ubotu> trollo: please see above
[10:53] <trollo> ok thx
[10:53] <Filthpig> just a quick Q: Is it possible to resize an already formatted ntfs partition so it's possible to create an ext3 partition?
[10:54] <genii> I've heard gpatred can do it but I've never tried it myself
[10:54] <genii> gparted/gatred  < sp
[10:54] <cpk1> or qtparted I suppose
[10:54] <Skuller> genii: OutoLumo: yes i think i'll skip the Vfat since i deal with quite a few .iso's>4gb
[10:55] <genii> Skuller :)
[10:56] <Skuller> infact i was planning to triple boot :- xp, vista & feisty
[10:56] <OutoLumo> Skuller, in that case :-)
[10:56] <genii> Damn. Am ssh'd into a cli box using ircii out and some keystrokes get lost
[10:58] <amnesiac_> hi black cats !!!
[11:00] <amnesiac_> i am not registred black-cat `i am just hacking true the night ...;-]
[11:03] <Daisuke_Ido> is there a reason behind your inexplicable rambling?
[11:04] <tonky> can someone advise the file manager with ftp support like FAR? i'm new to Kubuntu, and drag-n-frop for ftp doesen't suit me
[11:06] <genii> bleh grumblefarb
[11:07] <Skuller> whats 'bleh'?
[11:13] <delphine111> hi all
[11:13] <delphine111> how about vnc session with blank screen? kde not appear
[11:14] <aaroncampbell> How do you install fonts?
[11:14] <delphine111> i have configured to start them in vncserver session, but i get only blank screen "pre-load"
[11:14] <samir85> Hey guys. I've backuped my whole data on an external hd. Unfortunately if I plugin my usb hd in kubuntu, kubuntu doesn't detect the partition on it.  How can I change that ?
[11:15] <_Shade_> hi there
[11:15] <_Shade_> how can i create an iso file from a local directory?
[11:17] <sybux> hi
[11:18] <sybux> I've got a little problem with Kaffeine. I can't read DVD under festy. It's a fresh install
[11:20] <ardchoille> !dvd
[11:20] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:20] <ardchoille> sybux: ^^
[11:21] <sybux> ty
[11:21] <ardchoille> You're welcome :)
[11:22] <kai> doesn any one have any experiance with gnomad2?
[11:23] <sybux> ardchoille: it's for edgy not festy :(
[11:26] <luca> hi everyone
[11:26] <luca> can someone help me with a samsung printer?
[11:27] <ardchoille> sybux: Here's what I did: sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 && sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[11:28] <ardchoille> That installed libdvdcss2 which is what you need to view the dvd movies protected with CSS
[11:28] <samir85> Hey guys. I've backuped my whole data on an external hd. Unfortunately if I plugin my usb hd in kubuntu, kubuntu doesn't detect the partition on it.  How can I change that ?
[11:28] <samir85> please help me. its very urgent because all my data is on this drive !
[11:28] <ardchoille> I've been doing it that way since Dapper
[11:28] <acatalan> help needed: my Fiesty installer stopped at 99% after mythtv install had problems. Right now it says its on "Fetching and installing the upgrades" and has been ther a few hours.  What do I do to safely upgrade?
[11:31] <paolo> do you know any svg viewer?
[11:33] <OutoLumo> konqueror can't handle svg?
[11:33] <cntb> and what is svg ?
[11:33] <OutoLumo> cntb, SVG = Scalable Vector Graphics -format
[11:37] <cntb> OutoLumo, what svg link of interest ?
[11:40] <luca> hi everyone
[11:40] <ardchoille> hi
[11:41] <luca> someone does know how to install successfully a samsung printer?
[11:42] <luca> I have installed the driver, but now I cannot print, even if kcontrol added the printer regularly
[11:47] <cWolfe> gayyy
[11:49] <larry> The documentation directs me to the system/administration menu to manage video drivers for nvidia.  I cant find this menu.  Help.
[11:58] <OutoLumo> larry, it's in ubuntu?
[11:59] <larry> Hi, It's kubuntu and I really need to change drivers.
[11:59] <Hobbsee> cWolfe: ?
[11:59] <cWolfe> hi
[12:00] <cWolfe> uh
[12:00] <cWolfe> i dunno how that gayyy got there, i apologize
[12:02] <crazy_penguin> Good night all!
[12:03] <kingcobra> can somebody tell me what can be used in kde to mount filesystems manually
[12:04] <cWolfe> kingcobra  use konsole
[12:04] <kingcobra> cWolfe, is there a gui method
[12:05] <cWolfe> no
[12:05] <cWolfe> hal does it behind your back
[12:05] <kingcobra> is there nothing in kde similar to gnome partition editor
[12:12] <TheDebugger> qtparted?
[12:13] <martalli> !qtparted
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <superkirbyartist> I need an open source Java Runtime Environment for Firefox.


[07:35] <mardy> DanChapman: hi! I can't find it, maybe there wasn't one. If you file one to ubuntu-ux, please subscribe me or ping me here so that I follow it
[09:10] <rpadovani> popey is offline? Heck!
[09:19] <mcphail> rpadovani: isn't that the first portent of the apocalypse?
[09:19] <rpadovani> it is, it is.
[09:20] <mcphail> rpadovani: it would explain why I saw a crow flying backwards...
[09:20] <rpadovani> aahhahaha
[10:51] <rpadovani> popey, o/ we were worried, you weren't online O.o
[10:52] <popey> had internet issues at home
[10:52] <popey> engineer had unplugged my internet connection!
[10:52] <rpadovani> wow, that's sad
[10:53] <rpadovani> popey, when this[0] branch will land, could you please release an update of the calculator? We have a *lot* of bugfixes
[10:53] <rpadovani> [0]: https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app-bracket-push-fix
[10:53] <rpadovani> (there is a trivial conflict gang66 has to fix)
[10:53] <popey> Yeah, I had a chat with bartosz about it earlier in the week
[11:10] <DanChapman> mardy, done :-) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1513435
[11:20] <rpadovani> there is any ppa for qt 5.4 for precise?
[11:39] <popey> rpadovani, Mirv is the keeper of qt ppas
[11:57] <Mirv> rpadovani: double-checking precise == 12.04? there's just 5.0.2 for precise. 5.4 is only available for vivid/wily/xenial in a traditional sense and trusty too if needed via the new SDK builds
[11:57] <Mirv> rpadovani: you can consider simply getting the upstream Qt 5.4 installer for precise (not sure if they support it still, but it might be so)
[11:57] <Mirv> depending on what's needed
[11:58] <rpadovani> Mirv, argh, right, trusty - I need it to have dell drivers on xps 13
[11:58] <rpadovani> Mirv, I just want to be able to develop also on my notebook :-)
[12:00] <Mirv> rpadovani: I was wondering :) my xps 13 is also running trusty, although not really dell drivers anymore but 14.04.3. you can use the new ubuntu-sdk-ide from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools-development/ which will replace the normal SDK - it includes the whole Qt and installs alongside system Qt
[12:00] <Mirv> it will soon be made the recommended choice for all
[12:00] <rpadovani> Mirv, I already installed it, I'm able to compile apps, but then it says module "QtQuick" version 2.3 is not installed
[12:00] <rpadovani> at runtime
[12:00] <Mirv> bzoltan_: zbenjamin: ^
[12:01] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  yes, sir!
[12:01] <Mirv> bzoltan_: zbenjamin: is the new SDK going to solve the running on the desktop problem, or is it left for the developer's exercise?
[12:01] <Mirv> rpadovani: I think you might want to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /opt/blah/qt:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH something
[12:02] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  the new SDK IDE does solve it
[12:02] <Mirv> rpadovani: how do you run it, from QtC's menu?
[12:02] <Mirv> bzoltan_: here we have a volunteering beta user :)
[12:02] <bzoltan_> rpadovani: welcome aboard ... here is the instruction
[12:03] <rpadovani> :-)
[12:03] <bzoltan_> rpadovani: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/tools-development  && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:03] <rpadovani> I'll love to provide as many feedbacks as possible
[12:03] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, done
[12:04] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  14.04, 15.05 and 15.10
[12:04] <rpadovani> 14.04 here
[12:04] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  the next is ... "PROFIT"
[12:05] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, well, when I try to run something it says 'module "QtQuick" version 2.3 is not installed '
[12:05] <rpadovani> (from the sdk itself)
[12:05] <bzoltan_> rpadovani: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-dev
[12:06] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, already done too - I found the bug reported by kalinkiana
[12:10] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  let me check one thing
[12:10] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  do you see the Desktop Kit in the Options dialog?
[12:11] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, no, there isn't a desktop click build target, should I create it?
[12:13] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  not there... in the Run&Build ... Kits
[12:15] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, yap, there is
[12:15] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  and where the Desktop Kit points?
[12:15] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  What Qt is it using?
[12:18] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, QT 5.2.1 in PATH (System) - there is only QT 5.4.1 (ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf) that mentions 5.4
[12:18] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  right ... so the desktop kit registration is not good
[12:18] <bzoltan_> rpadovani: let's pull zbenjamin in... I have the same issue
[12:19] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  hehh.. no.. I do have the Ubuntu SDK Desktop Kit
[12:19] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-dev
[12:20] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: if you have that, then you need to add the "Ubuntu SDK Desktop Kit" to your project and run with that
[12:20] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: if you have a qmlproject you need to select the correct runconfiguration
[12:20] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: the rc should be named like your project
[12:21] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: ^ another reason why qmlproject is bad. It seems to not care about the used Qt when executing qmlscene
[12:21] <bzoltan_> rpadovani: http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_from_2015-11-05_14_20_27-N8lIHCbp.1446726063.png
[12:21] <bzoltan_> zbenjamin:  crap.. that is a reason to be sacked
[12:22] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: it autocreates a RC which sadly is the default selected one over ours
[12:25] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, bzoltan_ https://img.rpadovani.com/public/qtwrong.png
[12:26] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: what ubuntu version you are on?
[12:26] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, 14.04
[12:26] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, bzoltan_ sorry, I have only 40minutes of lunch break, so I need to go right now, I'll ping you in ~1 hour? Thanks for your availability meanwhile
[12:27] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  feel free to ping me anytime
[13:32] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, zbenjamin here I'm, do you have some time to help me have it working?
[13:43] <zzarr> hello! I used "Activity Tracker (BETA)" to store a route, do anyone know how to access the coordinates that are stored?
[14:09] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: sure
[14:10] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: so since when do you have the ubuntu-sdk-ide installed? Because that long lists of qt versions is a bug we fixed a few days ago
[14:10] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, I installed during the UbuCon, soo, a couple of weekends ago?
[14:10] <rpadovani> something like this
[14:11] <rpadovani> like 23 or 24 of Oct
[14:11] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: ok make sure you have the most recent version
[14:11] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:12] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, all updated
[14:12] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, I've also the ppa ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa
[14:13] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: ok then, close qtc and delete (or move) ~/.config/QtProject/qtcreator/qtversion.xml
[14:13] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: that will clean up the long list of qt versions
[14:13] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: maybe it will break some kits too but those can be fixed by assigning the correct qt version later on again
[14:15] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, done
[14:15] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: next step: make sure ubuntu-sdk-dev is installed: apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-dev
[14:15] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, yap
[14:16] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: does /usr/ubuntu-sdk-dev/bin/qmake exist?`
[14:16] <rpadovani> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.0M Nov  3 23:40 qmake
[14:16] <rpadovani> seems so
[14:17] <zbenjamin> can you execute it? /usr/ubuntu-sdk-dev/bin/qmake -query
[14:17] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, yes, and now it says QT_VERSION:5.4.1
[14:17] <rpadovani> (well, it says a lot of things)
[14:18] <zbenjamin> cool, run "ubuntu-sdk-ide" now and see if you got the new desktop kit
[14:20] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13112563/
[14:21] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: where do you get that?
[14:21] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: running your project?
[14:21] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, as soon as I open ubuntu-sdk-ide in the console
[14:22] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: ok ignore that one for now
[14:22] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: thats a problem of either the friends plugin or the qmlplugindump
[14:23] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, ok, I changed the kit in the project tabs and now seems to work (I miss Bacon2d) - I try with another app, hang on a sec
[14:25] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, it works \o/
[14:25] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, thanks *so* much
[14:25] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: yaaay :)
[14:26] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, the only thing is that by default it uses 'Desktop' kit instead of 'Ubuntu Sdk Desktop', but it's not a so big problem
[14:26] <rpadovani> oh well
[14:26] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: when you create your project you need to select what kits you want
[14:26] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: just do not select the normal "Desktop" kit :)
[14:26] <rpadovani> there is a 'Make default' button in the kits tab :D
[14:27] <zbenjamin> right :D
[14:27] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, next question: is it possible to build command line? :D
[14:28] <rpadovani> what the heck I wrote?
[14:29] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: its possible to build commandline :D
[14:29] <rpadovani> I mean, is it possible to build apps using hte command line with the new desktop kit?
[14:29] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: sure
[14:29] <zbenjamin> cd <path_to_src> && mkdir build && cd build && /usr/ubuntu-sdk-dev/bin/qmake -r ../ && make
[14:29] <jgdx> any suggestions on how I could create a transient setting that is unset on reboot from qml?
[14:30] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, same thing for cmake? Of course s/qmake/cmake?
[14:30] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: depending on the tools you use you probably need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH though
[14:30] <rpadovani> okay
[14:30] <rpadovani> thanks *so* much :)
[14:30] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: with cmake you need to tell cmake where to find the cmake files. So it picks up the correct qt
[14:31] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: i think those files are in /usr/ubuntu-sdk-dev/lib/cmake
[14:38] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: but i cannot remember the env var or cmake arg to pass that on
[14:41] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, if I try to use the sdk to compile webbrowser (cmake) I have this error? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13112684/ there is a better solution than give 777 to .ccache?
[14:49] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: weird , why would anything in your home folder not belong to you?
[14:50] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, well, no idea. To be honest I have no idea why it is .ccache and not .cache
[14:52] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: well ccache is something different: https://ccache.samba.org/
[14:53] <rpadovani> oh, I see
[14:57] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, anyway, I fixed permissions there, now it says I miss <QtCore/QStorageInfo> - how can I install packages in the kit?
[15:24] <bzoltan_> rpadovani: I am here too
[15:25] <bzoltan_> rpadovani:  I see I have arrived late :)
[15:25] <bzoltan_> zbenjamin:  you see, how easy to make people happy? :D
[15:26] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: ;)
[15:27] <hasselmm> hi, how would i install qtdeclarative5-private-dev to chroot:click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf?
[15:27] <hasselmm> a plain (and obviously stupid) "sudo schroot -c chroot:click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf -- dpkg-query -l qtdeclarative5-private-dev" doesn't seem persistent
[15:30] <zbenjamin> hasselmm: click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 maint apt-get install qtdeclarative5-private-dev:armhf
[15:31] <hasselmm> zbenjamin: ah, cool! thanks alot!
[15:37] <hasselmm> hmm... doesn't seem like qt 5.5 is available yet?
[15:39] <dobey> not on the phone, no. it's 5.4
[15:41] <hasselmm> hmm.... hmmm..... too bad. no quick porting then :-/
[16:00] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, zbenjamin yap, thanks for help - the only thing I miss that dependency - QtCore/Storage
[16:01] <bzoltan_> rpadovani: what package is that?
[16:02] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: be careful, you can not mix packages that are compiled with the system Qt and projects using the ubuntu sdk desktop kit
[16:03] <rpadovani> bzoltan_, should be in qtbase5-dev - zbenjamin, I'm trying to compile webbrowser
[16:03] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: are you trying to compile against the new Kit?
[16:05] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, yap, from inside the sdk
[16:05] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: you can not build against default qt packages then. Everything that is not part of ubuntu-sdk-dev you need to compile yourself (when itd depends on Qt)
[16:07] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, well, it should be part of qt 5.4 #include <QtCore/QStorageInfo>
[16:08] <rpadovani> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qstorageinfo.html
[16:08] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: yeah its there
[16:10] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, well, then I don't understand why it says it's missing
[16:10] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: webbrowser is using cmake?
[16:10] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, yes, it is
[16:10] <zbenjamin> hmm maybe thats the problem and there is something wrong with the cmake installation
[16:10] <zbenjamin> the cmake files of qt i mean
[16:11] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, something I can do to help you debug it?
[16:11] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: you sure its not something inside the cmake project files that checks for that file in the wrong place?
[16:12] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, on xenial I'm able to build it without any issue, so I don't think is related to the project
[16:13] <zbenjamin> rpadovani: but on xenial you build against the default system qt right, which is in a standard location
[16:13] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, right
[16:16] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, but it's strange i have problems only with that package - I include others libs before it and I have no problems
[16:17] <rpadovani> like <QtCore/QStandardPaths>
[16:19] <rpadovani> zbenjamin, and indeed if I do locate QStorageInfo I have nothing
[16:19] <rpadovani> and in /usr/ubuntu-sdk-info/lib there is nothing about storage
[16:29] <mzanetti-> popey, are we?
[16:30] <popey> mzanetti-, tricky with uos, can we tomorrow, maybe?
[16:30] <mzanetti-> popey, it's lunch break now :D
[16:31] <mzanetti-> popey, anyhow, no worries... tomorrow is fine I guess


[10:36] <waveform> is LP: #2009136 on the kernel team's radar? It's getting a growing list of duplicates which might be cause for concern
[10:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Launchpad bug 2009136 in linux-signed-hwe-5.19 (Ubuntu) "No HDMI audio under 5.19.0-35 (regression from -32)" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2009136
[10:38] <xnox> i think somebody was looking into that....
[10:39] <waveform> okay, just wanted to make sure it wasn't lost in the mix :)
[12:32] <bittin> some scammer sent a scam email to ubuntu-kernel mailinglist just fyi
[12:32] <bittin> might want to draw it back and remove it from the archives
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> Anybody know what's going on for the lowlatency kernel in lunar?
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> (just looking for a status, that's all. Ubuntu Studio interest.)
[20:06] <juergh> Eickmeyer: We're in the process of getting 6.2 into lunar and then the derivatives (including lowlatency) will be tackled.
[20:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> juergh: Ok, thanks. Just haven't seen anything built in the PPAs or anything, so just getting a little worried this late in the cycle. I hope you understand, and hope nobody flames me for my concern. :)
[20:06] <juergh> I hear you. It's always a concern. It's all gated somewhat by the main kernel and it's always too late IMO.
[20:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Heh, I hear that. :)
[20:06] <juergh> But we're told to push for the latest and greatest as the release kernel so it's always a a race to the finish line.
[20:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Understandably. 6.2 was only released days ago iirc?
[20:06] <juergh> yeah. we had unstable 6.2 rc kernels for a while but to get it released properly all DKMS need to build and tests need to pass and what not.
[20:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I get that and understand the process (albeit from a 30,000-foot view and vaguely). The only issue I see is it makes it difficult for my testers to try it out in dailies.
[20:06] <Eickmeyer> Oof. Bridge do be broke.


[05:34] <acrousey> is there a repository with DIY marketing for 8.04? or 8.10?
[05:35] <southerd_h> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[05:35] <Flannel> acrousey: wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[05:35] <Flannel> for the moment, we're still using that
[05:37] <acrousey> not too extensive yet i'm guessing
[08:52] <jenda> juliux: you mean the stickers? Monday
[08:53] <jenda> You´ll get the entire pack, which is 6985 pieces
[08:57] <juliux> jenda: cool
[14:34]  * shahriar086 is away: Gone away for now.


[12:58] <joerg> hi
[12:58] <joerg> will anybody be at linuxtag, berlin next weekend?
[15:03] <highvoltage> joerg: I wish!
[15:09] <joerg> canonical and the ubuntu germany team has organized a barbecue with free food :)
[15:23] <ogra> ah, again ?
[15:23] <ogra> joerg, which day ?
[15:36] <joerg> ogra, on the last day
[15:36] <ogra> ah, i might be on my way back then already
[15:39] <joerg> back to where?
[15:39] <ogra> kassel
[15:41] <joerg> that's not too far :P
[15:42] <ogra> i didnt say its far :)
[17:39] <alkisg> !info tuxpaint-data maverick
[17:39] <alkisg> Urm ok, and how do I get its filelist for maverick? :D
[18:00] <alkisg> highvoltage, stgraber: it looks like the translations were stripped from tuxpaint in lucid because of the main => universe transition
[18:00] <alkisg> It might be a good opportunity to reupload it to the edubuntu stable ppa
[18:00] <alkisg> Should I? What do you think?
[18:01] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/572994
[18:06] <highvoltage> alkisg: sounds like a good thing to do
[18:07] <alkisg> highvoltage: should I mention it on the meeting and do it shortly afterwards?
[18:08] <highvoltage> alkisg: you could, I suppose you could also send a notification via the list
[18:09] <alkisg> Sure, I just think it'd be better if the notification was "...and the fixed package is already uploaded to the edubuntu ppa..."
[18:18] <highvoltage> alkisg: ok


[07:51] <elacheche> o/
[11:04] <idhaoui> elacheche: o7
[11:04] <elacheche> Wassup idhaoui ! :)
[11:05] <idhaoui> howdy elacheche :)
[11:05] <elacheche> idhaoui, ichihi_ we'll see you @SFD this year?
[11:06] <idhaoui> elacheche: this must be software freedom day... is that in Tunisia?
[11:06] <elacheche> Yep :)
[11:07] <elacheche> It'll be for Oct 18th @ISET Sousse
[11:07] <idhaoui> elacheche: I doubt if I can arrange a trip there in this time of the year :)
[11:09] <elacheche> No problem.. Just keep in that that every year we have a SFD at that time of the year.. If one year you'll be in a holiday at home so think about joining us :) :D
[22:43] <elacheche_anis> Yo Aymen ! welcome :)
[22:43] <Aymen> Hii Guy I talked with some linux users in my school and we are thinking of making a ubunto club what do you think ??
[22:43] <elacheche_anis> Why you always come here when I am about to lean :D
[22:43] <Aymen> hhhhhhhh I don't konw :p
[22:44] <elacheche_anis> +1 Aymen You should think about a FOSS club :) Then you can promote the usage of Ubuntu :) BTW, it's Ubuntu not Ubunto :)
[22:44] <nizarus> Aymen, first it should be an ubuntu club not an ubunto clib :)
[22:44] <elacheche_anis> I liked the "clib" nizarus :D
[22:45] <nizarus> elacheche_anis, ce qui se passe est dangereux là ! tu lis dans mes pensées :/
[22:45] <elacheche_anis> Méla béch 3arfi :D
[22:45] <nizarus> Aymen, et oui il est préférable de faire un club logiciels libre qu'un club ubuntu :)
[22:46] <Na3iL> hey Aymen would you join us here #TGLUG :)
[22:46] <Aymen> I know how to write it was a typing error :p
[22:47] <Aymen> yes i'm here
[22:47] <Na3iL> I mean in this channel :D #TGLUG
[22:48] <Aymen> ok
[22:50] <elacheche_anis> I gtg.. Aymen you can join irc during the day too ;) :D
[22:52] <Aymen> I'm a little bit busy :p
[22:52] <elacheche_anis> Who is not.. :)


[02:38] <hpidcock> few test fixes for someone https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10916 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10922 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10923
[03:11] <babbageclunk> hpidcock: approved the two quick ones!
[03:11] <babbageclunk> still looking at the pregen certs one
[03:11] <hpidcock> babbageclunk: danke
[04:18] <babbageclunk> hpidcock: also approved the certs one
[04:19] <hpidcock> thankyou!
[08:49] <sahid> is someone can confirm me that juju is not using any code related to nova-network for the openstack provider?
[08:50] <sahid> i checked the code and i think we are OK, but just wanted double check with you since nova-network will be completly rmeoved for the next release of nova
[09:04] <timClicks> sahid: thank you for checking
[09:05] <timClicks> sahid: if you are able, could you please ask on the discourse forum?
[09:05] <timClicks> sahid: that way team members who are currently offline will have a chance to check
[09:07] <sahid> timClicks: sure I will do that
[09:45] <stickupkid> manadart, you got time for a CR https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10881
[09:48] <manadart> stickupkid: Yep.
[10:01] <manadart> stickupkid: Done.
[10:01] <stickupkid> manadart, need to fix the tests fyi
[12:24] <manadart> Need a tick on a forward-merge: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10925
[12:27] <stickupkid> manadart, tick
[12:28] <manadart> stickupkid: Ta.
[12:33] <rick_h> morning party folks
[12:35] <icey>  /join #maas
[13:39] <skay> I think juju deploy is installing a different version of the charm than the one in the local build directory. The version file and codetree-collect-info.yaml in the local charms dir have a different hash.
[13:40] <skay> what could be causing that?
[13:40] <rick_h> skay: reactive charm that needs to be deployed from the build dir?
[13:41] <rick_h> or some missing path expectation?
[13:41] <skay> rick_h: reactive charm that needs to be deployed from the build dir
[13:56] <skay> the normal workflow uses mojo. the path to the charms dir is setup by mojo and the charms are collected there via a collect file in my spec.
[13:57] <skay> while trying to figure this out I've also done it by factoring mojo out of the equation
[14:17] <rick_h> nammn_de:  so those are the old canonistack region urls
[14:17] <rick_h> nammn_de:  I've forwarded you the email on the new region, I'd suggest we update to use that
[14:17] <rick_h> nammn_de:  let me know if that'll work or not
[14:17] <nammn_de> cool, can do that
[14:18] <nammn_de> rick_h: should they work, if I try them locally over vpn?
[14:18] <rick_h> nammn_de:  but yea, I think we just had test data that's on old cloud endpoints and we have to update for the changes
[14:18] <rick_h> nammn_de:  yep, over vpn should be good
[14:18] <nammn_de> rick_h: because of the yaml  jenkins/I couldnt reach any of those endpoints afaict
[14:19] <rick_h> nammn_de:  yea, I think they're shut down
[14:19] <rick_h> nammn_de:  or moved
[14:19] <rick_h> nammn_de:  so have to update to the current ones
[14:19] <nammn_de> rick_h: cool will update
[14:21] <rick_h> achilleasa:  if we can, anywhere we have some sort of interval we should be doing backoff if it might cause any sort of issue
[14:21] <rick_h> achilleasa:  just one of those lessons where debugging something bouncing and without the backoff it makes it hard to recover
[14:21] <nammn_de> rick_h: and for manual-xenial-amd64, finfolk-vmaas and vsphere?  They don't seem to work either
[14:21] <rick_h> nammn_de:  sounds like achilleasa sent you notes on vsphere, is that IP still correct?
[14:22] <rick_h> nammn_de:  and for the vmaas I'm not sure about. Have to check our infra, probably listed in cloud-city details somewhere.
[14:22] <nammn_de> rick_h: yeah should be, I can use those as long as jenkins has intenrally the creds for them
[14:23] <rick_h> nammn_de: in the end this is just to test you can add multiple clouds right?
[14:23] <nammn_de> rick_h: yeah, I can just steal some from clouds.yaml or just remove some
[14:23] <rick_h> nammn_de:  so I like the canonistack as it has a couple of regions as well, but honestly we just need to verify a few clouds. Find a few that work and run with it.
[14:23] <rick_h> nammn_de:  exactly, I don't think we have to over do it
[14:24] <rick_h> nammn_de:  this was just easy for the original test. let's keep it easy as long as the test validation is still legit
[14:24] <rick_h> skay:  how did you take mojo out of the question?
[14:24] <nammn_de> Just wanted to make sure that we align here and that. Yeah Didnt plan to add additional complexity. Will do
[14:26] <skay> rick_h:  I'll do this all again momentarily to make sure I remember it right. I didn't take as good of notes as I should have yesterday. but, from memory...
[14:28] <skay> rick_h: locally to run things without mojo I have env variables set up for my charm repo. I build the charm from my clone. I have a bundle file that specifies the charm in the build directory and run `juju deploy` on that bundle
[14:30] <skay> re mojo, I took different steps yesterday to make sure it wasn't somehow pulling from an old checkout. in the /path/to/mojo/workspace I removed spec/, build/, charms/.
[14:31] <skay> rick_h: do you have more troubleshooting tips to try?
[14:35] <achilleasa> rick_h: in that particular PR implementing a backoff inside the watcher will not be easy and I think might cause more problems than it actually solves (I have proposed a way to do it if we really really want to in the PR comments)
[14:37] <rick_h> achilleasa:  ok, it's something I'd really like jam's signoff on in that case
[14:37] <rick_h> achilleasa:  thanks for the notes
[14:37] <rick_h> skay:  version of Juju?
[14:38] <skay> rick_h: 2.6.10-trusty-amd64
[14:38] <achilleasa> rick_h: yeap, not in a hurry to merge that one (still have to fix the agent test I was talking about)
[14:38] <rick_h> achilleasa:  +1
[14:39] <rick_h> skay:  hmmm, we started with the effort to have the charm build process add a version file to note git/vcs info in a version file in the charm
[14:39] <rick_h> skay:  might check if that's there and match the sha up
[14:39] <rick_h> skay:  but not sure, lots of moving parts in this situation
[14:39] <skay> rick_h: yeah, see above. they don't match.
[14:39] <skay> rick_h: nor do hashes in the codetree yaml file
[15:15] <pmatulis> can actions be run from within a charm's config file that is used during deploy?
[15:15] <rick_h> pmatulis:  no, charms don't have creds to call actions themselves
[15:16] <rick_h> pmatulis:  they're operator triggered
[15:16] <pmatulis> rick_h, thank you sir
[15:16] <rick_h> pmatulis:  if the charm wants to share some code they can manage that internally and wire it up into the install hook and such
[15:16] <rick_h> pmatulis:  but that's just code at that point vs actions/not actions
[16:03] <stickupkid> hml, CR https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10926
[16:04] <hml> stickupkid: any rush on this?
[16:05] <stickupkid> hml, so this fixes the controller test in 2.7
[16:05] <stickupkid> hml, no rush
[16:05] <stickupkid> hml, helps if i base it on the correct branch :|
[16:33] <hml> stickupkid: trade ya:  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10927. gave up on unit test, integration test proves fix
[16:34] <stickupkid> hml, deal
[16:34] <stickupkid> hml, should target 2.7 right though?
[16:34] <hml> stickupkid: yes.  oops
[16:35] <hml> stickupkid: fixed
[16:38] <stickupkid> hml, done
[21:21] <timClicks> is it possible to use juju scp as the root user? I'm encountering a permissions (?) issue
[21:21] <timClicks> ERROR exit status 1 (Please login as the user "NONE" rather than the user "root".)
[21:25] <rick_h> timClicks:  no, the ssh key is only on the ubuntu user
[21:26] <rick_h> timClicks:  you'd have to scp it there and then juju run to mv it
[21:26] <timClicks> rick_h: okay, good to know
[21:26] <rick_h> timClicks:  what are you copying? worth it just to juju scp it to /tmp and then root has access?
[21:27] <timClicks> i'm writing a relations tutorial and want to scp before/after versions of config files that have changed
[21:27] <timClicks> i'll just do the work via juju run, rather than locally client-side
[21:29] <rick_h> timClicks:  ah yea, might just juju run --wait -- cat ....
[21:47] <timClicks> fwiw we've just had a request for ipv6 support in the #cdk slack channel
[23:37] <timClicks> part 1 of a new tutorial series on relations is up https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/what-is-a-juju-relation-and-what-purpose-do-they-serve/2347