[14:59] <stgraber> cjwatson: Is it a known issue that (at least for Edubuntu) we've got both maverick and natty in the same daily build directory on cdimage ?
[14:59] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20101112/ for example
[15:00] <cjwatson> oh, just needs manual cleanup
[15:00] <cjwatson> I thought I'd done them all, maybe missed a few
[15:01] <cjwatson> ah, edubuntu dvd hadn't built when I did that
[15:01] <cjwatson> cleaned up, thanks
[15:08] <stgraber> cjwatson: thanks
[15:13] <charlie-tca> Same failure on todays Ubuntu desktop image - aufs mount failed
[15:14] <cjwatson> yeah, I fixed that this morning
[15:14] <cjwatson> hopefully
[15:14] <cjwatson> but after the daily builds
[15:14] <cjwatson> I've kicked off a new build - let's see what happens
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Thanks


[11:00] <lpotter> why are some windows full screen and others are just a slice on the right side on tablet? it's confusing and annoying
[11:00] <lpotter> is that a bug or feature?
[11:02] <davmor2> lpotter: it's sidestage it is phone sized apps open in it and then you can have for example webbrowser and notes open together on one screen
[11:04] <lpotter> it seems random and confusing
[11:41] <faenil> how do I change display resolution in unity8 on desktop? :/
[11:42] <faenil> lpotter: I think at the moment it's the app that specify its sidestage behaviour using special tags in .desktop
[11:42] <faenil> but the future is "all apps should be able to switch to fullscreen or sidestage"
[11:42] <faenil> not sure about that though
[12:18] <flux__> faenil, right X-Ubuntu-StageHint=SideStage
[12:19] <flux__> yay libertine updates
[15:04] <mterry> ltinkl, I just noticed that the silo finished building sometime yesterday  :)
[15:11] <mterry> tedg, the debian/libubuntu-app-launch2.symbols file needs updating in your app-object branch to include all the c++ api
[15:12] <tedg> mterry: Ah, yeah.
[15:12] <tedg> mterry: Is there an easy way to get the c++ symbol list?
[15:12] <tedg> mterry: Usually for C I just look at the diff that the deb packaging stuff prints out.
[15:13] <mterry> tedg, fakeroot dh_makeshlibs | sed -e 's/^\+ \(.*\) \(.*\)/\+ \1 0replaceme/' -e 's/\([+-]\) \(_.*\) \(.*\)/\1 (c++)"\2" \3/' | c++filt > /tmp/diff_for_symbols
[15:13] <mterry> tedg, from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ
[15:13] <tedg> mterry: Sweet, thanks!
[15:24] <mterry> tedg, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtmir/trunk/view/head:/src/modules/Unity/Application/desktopfilereader.h
[15:24] <mterry> tedg, that's the list of info we pull from desktop files
[15:24] <mterry> tedg, read http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtmir/trunk/view/head:/src/modules/Unity/Application/desktopfilereader.cpp for the actual keys read that correspond to that API
[15:24] <tsdgeos> cimi: you can see in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-054/+packages it's still being buit
[15:24] <tsdgeos> built
[15:25] <tedg> mterry: Really? What do you guys use exec() for?
[15:28] <mterry> tedg, ... seemingly nothing I could find.
[15:28] <mterry> tedg, skip that one for now.  maybe we used it in a hack in the past
[15:28] <tedg> mterry: K
[15:30] <flux__> X-( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1535058
[15:36] <mterry> tedg, we do have some code that supports legacy ways of launching apps in qtmir -- those do check the process's command line and try determining desktop file from desktop_file_hint and parse it
[15:36] <mterry> and stage_hint
[15:37] <mterry> tedg, how common is that these days?  Can we just drop it?
[15:37] <mterry> tedg, we have two special checks for maliit-server and qt5/libexec/QtWebProcess
[15:37] <tedg> mterry: I think we can just drop it, I don't know of any users of it today.
[15:37] <tedg> mterry: We should probably ping someone like greyback or Saviq to see if they know.
[15:37] <flux__> i use -- --desktop_file_hint=
[15:38] <tedg> flux__: For what?
[15:38] <flux__> to launch apps
[15:38] <flux__> doh
[15:42] <faenil> mzanetti: has anyone started looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1535058 ?
[15:42] <faenil> we need to usertest core apps, but if unity8 doesn't cooperate... :|
[15:53] <faenil> Saviq: ^
[15:54] <oSoMoN> greyback, hey, have you had a chance to take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/qtubuntu/qkeyevent-native-virtual-key/+merge/282515 ? or will you have some time to look at it soon-ish ?
[15:56] <greyback> oSoMoN: I'll get dandrader to have a look
[15:57] <greyback> it looks reasonable
[15:57] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[16:15] <mzanetti> faenil, don't think so
[16:19] <faenil> mzanetti: isn't it, like, super critical? XD
[16:19] <faenil> no apps start, at all :D
[16:19] <mzanetti> what?
[16:20] <faenil> mzanetti: have you read the bug? :D
[16:20] <mzanetti> oh, I thought it'd be the one where they stop when launched directly after closing
[16:21] <flux__> mzanetti, no! they don't launch at all
[16:21] <flux__> X-(
[16:21] <faenil> mzanetti: no, they don't launch at all, this is another bug
[16:24] <oSoMoN> dandrader, remember bug #1459362 ? I could use your help in understanding why a bunch of touch events go to the item below a SwipeArea before a drag is detected
[16:25] <dandrader> hmm
[16:28] <dandrader> oSoMoN, oh, so you got a minimal test app. good progress
[16:28] <oSoMoN> dandrader, yeah, it’s much easier (and more urgent too) now that SwipeArea is a public component :)
[16:44] <Saviq> @unity: I either broke Unity8 CI, or I made it faster, we'll find out soon ;)
[16:44] <dandrader> oSoMoN, commented on the bug
[16:47] <oSoMoN> dandrader, thanks, I commented back
[16:47] <mterry> tedg, in you app-object branch, does IconPath ever be relative (i.e. a theme icon name)?
[16:49] <tedg> mterry: Right now I'm just passing what the desktop file has.
[16:49] <tedg> mterry: I've debated about that, but icon themes is kinda a pain.
[16:49] <mterry> tedg, looks like you make a full path out of what the desktop file has..
[16:49] <tedg> mterry: But I think we're gonna have to handle that, because you wouldn't know the data paths for the libertine icons.
[16:49] <tedg> mterry: More meaning of resolving the icon themes than full/relative
[16:50] <tedg> Paths are easy, icon themes are not :-)
[16:50] <mterry> tedg, right...  But we presumably need icon theme support -- we don't know size we want ahead of time
[16:50] <faenil> dandrader: oSoMoN since you're talking about letting events through
[16:51] <faenil> dandrader: oSoMoN please take into account that you might have a scrollbar on any edge of the screen, and the scrollbar is draggable even on touch when the content is > 10 pages
[16:51] <mterry> tedg, something like if (fullPath) { return iconPath; } else { return "image://theme/" + iconPath; } is what I would expect me to do in qtmir (or UAL to do itself)
[16:52] <faenil> dandrader: oSoMoN so the shorter delay before scrollbars gets events, the better...at the moment I see a big delay between the moment I drag the scrollbar and the moment it actually moves, and I'm thinking it's because swipearea is blocking events at the beginning while it's deciding if it's a drag
[16:53] <oSoMoN> faenil, in the case of the browser we should be safe, as oxide’s scrollbars are not draggable
[16:53] <dandrader> faenil, because that app that has scrollbars doens't know how to handle touch cancelation events, thus unity8 has to withhold the touch events until it's sure it's not a drag
[16:54] <dandrader> faenil, sending touch/gesture cancellation events to apps hasn't been done yet.
[16:56] <faenil> dandrader: wait, I don't get it. Who should be sending touch cancel?
[16:56] <dandrader> faenil, unity8
[16:56] <dandrader> faenil, if the SwipeArea in question live in unity8, that is (the left, right and top edges)
[16:57] <dandrader> s/live/lives
[16:59] <tsdgeos> cimi: silo 54
[17:00] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeeep
[17:00] <faenil> dandrader: so, let's assume the usecase is the user is trying to grab the scrollbar
[17:00] <faenil> what do you see as flow of events?
[17:01] <faenil> swipearea will get the events first, right? because it's in unity
[17:01] <faenil> i.e. on top of everything
[17:01] <dandrader> faenil, yes
[17:02] <faenil> so, how do you see that working good while the user is trying to grab the scrollbar?
[17:02] <faenil> working well*
[17:03] <dandrader> faenil, Then unity8 has a TouchGate in front of the app window which will withhold touch events from it until it's notified that the app has gained ownership over then (because the SwipeArea decided the touch is not performing a drag)
[17:03] <faenil> exactly, so, swipearea has to decide that it's not a drag first. But that's what I see happening,
[17:03] <faenil> the scrollbar gets events with a big delay at the beginning
[17:04] <tedg> mterry: Sorry, got distracted. The problem is that you don't know the icon theme search path.
[17:04] <tedg> mterry: And there could be a bunch of icon them roots.
[17:04] <faenil> and I just wanted to let you guys know that and see if we can find a better solution, because the delay is suboptimal
[17:04] <tedg> mterry: So you need to effectively adjust your XDG_DATA_DIRS to match those roots.
[17:04] <dandrader> faenil, no way around it unless the app is able to touch cancellation events. but we don't have written support for it yet
[17:04] <tedg> mterry: Which is kinda sucky.
[17:04] <dandrader> faenil, no way around that delay near the edges, I mean
[17:04] <faenil> dandrader: I still don't see why touch cancellation would improve that
[17:05] <mterry> tedg, like a libertine app might have a whole icon theme inside it?
[17:05] <mterry> tedg, so we need rooted icon themes?
[17:05] <dandrader> faenil, but mouse events are not delayed. so dragging a scrollbar near the screen edge is immediate
[17:05] <tedg> mterry: No, the libertine container would. And we'd have potentially multiple containers.
[17:05] <mterry> tedg, oh one global container?
[17:05] <tedg> mterry: So think that you could have a vivid and a trusty one.
[17:05] <mterry> ah right
[17:05] <tedg> mterry: Or three vivid ones, just for fun.
[17:06] <faenil> dandrader: but mouseevents are only synthesized from touch if touch is not handled
[17:06] <mterry> tedg, so we *could* modify our icon lookup code to look in those.  but we really only want to do that if the app is from that container
[17:06] <faenil> dandrader: I'm talking about draggin scrollbar with a touch device, mind you
[17:06] <faenil> we're talking about touchscreen
[17:06] <mterry> tedg, you could give us something like image://libertine-theme/container-name/icon-name
[17:07] <mterry> tedg, and adjust the icon lookup parser to understand that
[17:08] <tedg> mterry: Yeah, so the issue I ran into there is that it seems that the Qt code for icon theme lookup is kinda singleton based. Which makes sense for /usr/share/icons …
[17:08] <dandrader> faenil, let me rephrase: " but mouse events are not delayed. so dragging a scrollbar near the screen edge with a mouse is immediate"
[17:08] <tedg> mterry: So we end up chasing down the rabbit hole
[17:10] <faenil> dandrader: I got that...but the only way to get mouse events is to get events synthesized from touch events, and that won't happen until swipearea lets them through
[17:10] <faenil> right?
[17:10] <faenil> because whenever you use the touchscreen to grab the scrollbar, swiparea grabs touch
[17:11] <mterry> tedg, well...  for Ubuntu SDK apps, we must end up pointing at a single icon right?
[17:11] <mterry> tedg, maybe libertine apps can just give us a single icon too
[17:11] <faenil> dandrader: oh I missed the point you edited. Yeah, it will be immediate with mosue
[17:11] <mterry> tedg, but maybe still allow desktop files to use a icon theme name, since it's technically permissible
[17:11] <faenil> mouse*
[17:12] <dandrader> faenil, I'm not talking about synthesizing mouse events out of touch events. I was talking about mouse events coming from an actual mouse device
[17:12] <tedg> mterry: Yeah, so perhaps we'll solve the icon theme situation just in the libertine case and give themes in the legacy root case.
[17:12] <mterry> tedg, when they are on the system
[17:12] <dandrader> faenil, yes
[17:12] <faenil> dandrader: ok, we don't care about that ;)
[17:12] <mterry> tedg, yeah
[17:12] <tedg> How many apps do we have installed as debs? Just system-settings?
[17:12] <faenil> dandrader: we care about improving the touch UX :D anything I or you can do
[17:12] <faenil> ?
[17:12] <dandrader> faenil, nothing you can do about that delay near the screen edges
[17:12] <mterry> tedg, more but I don't remember list
[17:13] <mterry> tedg, like 5 or less
[17:13] <mterry> 5 or fewer  :)
[17:13] <faenil> dandrader: alright..
[17:14] <dandrader> faenil, to solve that we (unity8 team, maybe mir team as well)  have to implement detecting support for touch cancellation from apps and sending them if the do support it
[17:14] <faenil> dandrader: again :D please explain how touch cancellation would improve that, because I Don't get how
[17:14] <tedg> mterry: Looks like on my phone: dialer, mediaplayer, messaging, system settings and browser.
[17:14] <dandrader> faenil, and then for apps to change their code to handle touch cancellation if they want to get rid of that delay
[17:14] <mterry> tedg, 5!  bam
[17:15] <tedg> mterry: Curious if we can just change those to not use icon themes :-)
[17:15] <faenil> dandrader: why should unity send a touch cancellation if swipearea is still thinking what do with the events?
[17:15] <mterry> tedg, stop trying to kill icon themes
[17:15] <dandrader> faenil, no
[17:16] <dandrader> faenil, unity8 would send touch events to app immediately, even though unity8's edge swipeArea is still doing gesture detection
[17:16] <dandrader> faenil, then, if unity8's edge SwipeArea decided that this is an edge drag gesture, unity8 would send a touch cancellation event to the app
[17:16] <faenil> dandrader: ah okay! yeah, then I get you of course
[17:17] <dandrader> faenil, meaning that the app would no longer get evens from that touch point and that it should undo any changes caused by that touch so far
[17:17] <faenil> sure, sure
[17:17] <faenil> I misunderstood you before
[17:18] <faenil> I didn't see how it could work with the current swipearea, and in fact it wouldn't. Once unity8 starts handling that, swipearea impl will have to be changed as well
[17:18] <faenil> to let events through from the beginning
[17:18] <faenil> and then unity8 will send touchCancel if needed
[17:18] <dandrader> faenil, please file a bug requesting support for gesture cancellation to apps and stating why you need that (eg those touch-operated scrollbars)
[17:18] <faenil> dandrader: right?
[17:18] <dandrader> faenil, so we can properly prioritize that work
[17:19] <dandrader> faenil, or actually, the bug should be simply about complaining that touch events near edges come with a delay
[17:20] <faenil> I have to test that a bit better before filing it, once I'm pretty sure it's swipearea's fault I'll file it
[17:20] <dandrader> faenil, sending gesture cancellation to apps is orthogonal to SwipeArea implementation
[17:20] <dandrader> faenil, those are two separate things
[17:20] <faenil> dandrader: yes, I get that
[17:20] <faenil> dandrader: I'm talking about letting events through from the beginning
[17:21] <dandrader> faenil, in unity8 code, TouchGate in SurfaceContainer.qml is the one withholding the touch events from the app
[17:21] <faenil> once unity8 handles touchCancel, swipearea still needs to be modified to let events though from the beginning, right?
[17:21] <faenil> ah ok
[17:21] <faenil> I'll have a look at that then, thank you
[17:21] <dandrader> faenil, read TouchGate's documentation
[17:21] <faenil> yeah then TouchGate will have to be modified. I thought it was swipearea itself blocking them
[17:21] <faenil> ok
[17:21] <faenil> will do
[17:27] <cimi> pstolowski, hey, can you send me/link me the scope with the filters? (click pkg)
[17:29] <pstolowski> cimi, lp:~stolowski/+junk/scope-filters in click/ folder
[17:30] <dandrader> faenil, no. what has to be done is that SurfaceContainer won't put a TouchGate in front of the app surface if the app surface tells us it support gesture cancellation
[17:31] <dandrader> s/support/supports
[17:31] <faenil> dandrader: yeah, clear now that I've read TouchGate's (short) doc
[17:31] <faenil> :)
[17:31] <faenil> and that explains what I was seeing as well
[17:31] <faenil> all events are stored and replayed
[17:32] <dandrader> faenil, only the ones for which ownership hasn't been solved yet, which are the ones that go through those SwipeAreas that unity8 have near screen edges
[17:32] <faenil> dandrader: yes
[17:32] <faenil> yes
[17:33] <mterry> patriciadavila, can you point me to the spec for how the dash is supposed to look / behave in windowed mode?
[17:34] <faenil> dandrader: so I guess SwipeArea doesn't get ownership until it's sure it's a drag
[17:34] <dandrader> faenil, yes
[17:34] <patriciadavila> mterry: this is the presentation that describes the journeys - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uSTcU-My6VD94BEISs_Y30O-mJG26I_czuXCKI4BzFQ/edit
[17:34] <patriciadavila> mterry, we'll have a session about this tomorrow, you are welcome to join if you have any questions
[17:35] <mterry> patriciadavila, I have one question -- not about the content of the scopes window, but about the window itself -- like close / minimize / maximize buttons
[17:35] <mterry> patriciadavila, which should it have / how should they behave?
[17:37] <patriciadavila> mterry: maybe vesar can help you better with that? The dash window should have/behave like any other window afaik
[17:40] <oSoMoN> dandrader, pardon my ignorance wrt touch even handling, what sort of event/notification do we get when a touch is grabbed by a SwipeArea?
[17:41] <faenil> oSoMoN: I'm pestering him already :D
[17:41] <mterry> patriciadavila, asked him, thanks
[17:43] <oSoMoN> dandrader, faenil: shouldn’t we be getting a TouchCancel event, or something like that?
[17:43] <patriciadavila> mterry: yw
[17:43] <faenil> oSoMoN: if I understood correctly, in the current state of things you won't get events until SwipeArea decides you shall
[17:44] <faenil> and at that point, you'll get all of them at once, in the correct order
[17:44] <faenil> that is because there's TouchGate in unity8 that prevents the touch events from getting to the app
[17:46] <faenil> in the ideal future, the app will signal that it can handle touchCancel (I think this should always happen, not on demand), and unity8 will remove TouchGate
[17:46] <dandrader> oSoMoN, http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qquickitem.html#touchUngrabEvent
[17:46] <faenil> at that point, both the app and SwipeArea will get the touch events, but if SwipeArea then decides that it has detected a drag, it will send touchCancel to the app
[17:46] <faenil> and the app will behave accordingly
[17:47] <dandrader> faenil, oSoMoN is talking about an in-app SwipeArea, not about a SwipeArea in unity8
[17:47] <dandrader> faenil, those are two different scenarios
[17:47] <faenil> sorry, didn't have context :)
[17:47] <faenil> dandrader: well, it's the same except there's no touchgate already, right?
[17:48] <faenil> because the app doesn't have it
[17:48] <dandrader> oSoMoN, if can also listen to TouchOwnership events if you want to. but that's a ubuntu-ui-toolkit specific event type
[17:48] <dandrader> s/if/you
[18:03] <mterry> oSoMoN, what's the plan for remembering passwords in webbrowser-app?  Either internally or allowing some sort of plugin like lastpass to operate?
[18:05] <oSoMoN> mterry, a while ago a lastpass extension was mentioned, but oxide doesn’t have an extension mechanism, so that didn’t go anywhere, I’m not sure if there’s a concrete plan at all
[18:06] <mterry> oSoMoN, is an extension mechanism a no-go at all, or one of those "we haven't done it yet, but want to" things?
[18:07] <oSoMoN> mterry, I think it’s pretty much a no-go, it would be a huge amount of work for which we simply don’t have resources
[18:07] <mterry> oSoMoN, and we don't plan remembering passwords internally?
[18:08] <oSoMoN> mterry, Chris Coulson should be able to confirm, you can find him on #oxide
[18:08] <mterry> oSoMoN, it's just another pain point for me on the desktop.  Everytime I want to log into my bank or whatever, I jump to Firefox to use lastpass
[18:08] <oSoMoN> mterry, I guess remembering passwords internally is the only way forward, but I don’t think it’s even been planned/scheduled
[18:08] <faenil> dandrader: so SwipeArea gets touch, it signals itself as candidateOwner, at that point touchgate will block those points, because it won't be able to get ownership on that, is that right?
[18:08] <oSoMoN> mterry, I very much understand your frustration
[18:09] <faenil> otherwise, if swipearea ignores, touchgate manages to get ownership, and that means it can send the events through
[18:09] <mterry> oSoMoN, it's fine personally.  But just means I don't test as many websites   :)  Although I believe mint.com at least doesn't work in oxide anyway
[18:09] <dandrader> faenil, pretty much it
[18:09] <faenil> dandrader: had a quick look at both dda and touchgate, but didn't read thoroughly
[18:09] <faenil> but that looks sensible
[18:13] <faenil> dandrader: so all the touch events that have a candidate owner are stored and blocked. At one point SwipeArea either drops itself as candidate owner, or requests full ownership. If it drops itself as candidate owner, touchgate replays all the stored events, otherwise the events are removed from the queue
[18:14] <dandrader> faenil, yes
[18:14] <faenil> dandrader: ok, cool. Thanks for the help!
[18:15]  * faenil leaves the office
[19:54] <mterry> josharenson,  --no-tgz-check


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[07:51] <MetaMorfoziS> re
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[08:03] <syst> Hi!, Does any one know of any good news readers for Kubuntu?.(Like Grabbit & Newsleecher for Windows)
[08:04] <MetaMorfoziS> akkregator?
[08:04] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: what was your problem with the socond user
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> the audio server can't load
[08:05] <thehil> how do you switch to text mode (Ctrl+Alt+F1) by a command instead of keys?
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> it said permission denied...
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> and i can'T log in to su
[08:05] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: was your user member of audio group?
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> i don't know
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> in this window a hundreds of group tab button and option
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> i don't know what i really need.
[08:05] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: Ok....  here comes the solution to su problem...
[08:06] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm newbie
[08:06] <MetaMorfoziS> ok
[08:06] <claudiu> hello guys
[08:06] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: Are you familiar with console
[08:06] <MetaMorfoziS> (my first is named meta and the second is named apu, for the easy naming)
[08:06] <MetaMorfoziS> a little.
[08:07] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: type sudo passwd and give first your password and the two times your new root password...
[08:07] <claudiu> can anyone help me with this ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73951
[08:08] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: after that edit in your /etc/kde3/kdm/kdm.rc allowrootlogin=true
[08:08] <MetaMorfoziS> okay
[08:08] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: after this you should be able to login to kde as root and su should be workin like in other distros
[08:08] <MetaMorfoziS> it's not found
[08:09] <MetaMorfoziS> the ^^ configuration file
[08:09] <MetaMorfoziS> create new?
[08:09] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: sorry its kdmrc
[08:09] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[08:10] <MetaMorfoziS> ready
[08:10] <MetaMorfoziS> and then?
[08:10] <MetaMorfoziS> under root acc log in and create the new account?
[08:10] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: yes
[08:10] <MetaMorfoziS> thx, i'm back 1-2 minutes
[08:12] <carlos> hola
[08:12] <_root> re
[08:13] <MetaMorfoziS> UFO, i'm deleted the "apu" user and i want to create the second "apu"
[08:13] <MetaMorfoziS> what i need to write to the secondary group text field?
[08:14] <Tonio_> hi someone here has kde 3.5.0 ? I would like the confirmation of a bug ;)
[08:14] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: set the groups like you have in you usual user account
[08:14] <Uno> i hv windows installed on the first partition, and i accidentally deleted the menu to enter windows in GRUB, how do if ix it?
[08:14] <Tonio_> I have it on 3.5.1, but I'd like to clearly identify the version of kde when it appeared
[08:15] <MetaMorfoziS> ok and then?
[08:15] <carlos> #kubuntu-es
[08:15] <MetaMorfoziS> in the groups tab?
[08:15] <MetaMorfoziS> i need to change anything?
[08:15] <MetaMorfoziS> is there 2 groups named on my two user account (meta and apu)
[08:16] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: yes
[08:16] <Red_Herring> windows or linux?
[08:16] <Red_Herring> jk
[08:16] <MetaMorfoziS> UFO and what?
[08:17] <aladds> how do i change it in xorg?
[08:17] <aladds> i'm used to xf86, but xorg doesnt seem to be the same
[08:17] <MetaMorfoziS> ./etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:17] <aladds> right
[08:18] <MetaMorfoziS> you need to set up right the freq-s
[08:18] <Red_Herring> i like "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:18] <Red_Herring> i hate editing xorg.conf, its way to confusing
[08:18] <aladds> ok
[08:18] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ not asks you about your horiz freq
[08:18] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: set in the apu user everythin same as the meta user, exept the group with the user name
[08:18] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ ok
[08:19] <MetaMorfoziS> ok i try.
[08:19] <MetaMorfoziS> and pray:D
[08:19] <Red_Herring> w00t!
[08:19] <MetaMorfoziS> plug and pray:)
[08:19] <Red_Herring> gmail gave me google talk WITHIN gmail!
[08:19] <Red_Herring> :-D
[08:19] <claudiu> plssssss can anyone help me with this ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73951
[08:20] <Red_Herring> claudiu: did you try to install it using aptitiude?
[08:21] <Blissex> claudiu: yes, it is a package with incomplete dependencies.
[08:21] <UFO> claudiu: using dapper?
[08:21] <slew> hi, where is the link for the kde 3.5 public key?
[08:21] <UFO> !kde3.5.1
[08:21] <ubotu> UFO: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:21] <claudiu> UFO: nope
[08:22] <claudiu> UFO: but i have some extra repositories
[08:22] <jarlath> slew: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[08:22] <slew> thanks.
[08:22] <claudiu> Red_Herring: the problem is it installed, but with that error : dbus-send not found
[08:23] <Red_Herring> huh
[08:23] <Red_Herring> odd
[08:23] <Red_Herring> sorry that one is beyond me
[08:23] <claudiu> Blissex: and since then , every time i upgrade, it keeps showing up
[08:23] <Uno> is there a wizard for setting up GRUB?
[08:24] <claudiu> UFO: I think its going to be solved with the next upgrade
[08:24] <UFO> claudiu: try dpkg-reconfigure avahi-utils
[08:24] <Meta> it's not work, i'm trying, moment...
[08:24] <claudiu> UFO: okay, ill try that, thanks
[08:25] <claudiu> UFO: Package `avahi-utils' is not installed and no info is available.
[08:26] <Red_Herring> what is avahi?
[08:26] <Red_Herring> !avahi
[08:26] <ubotu> Red_Herring: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:26] <Blissex> claudiu: it will continue to show up because every time APT will try to complete the install of any ''in-between'' packages.
[08:26] <claudiu> Blissex: maybe that avahi its not that necessary, its somehow related to zeroconf
[08:27] <MetaMorfoziS> re
[08:27] <MetaMorfoziS> it's not work:(
[08:27] <Pyrobob> my desktop managed to re-set itself to being 640x480 and I can't change it back. its my only option for some reason
[08:28] <Pyrobob> does anyone know how to fix this? it just kinda happened over a reboot
[08:28] <Red_Herring> !xorg.conf
[08:28] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:28] <Red_Herring> ok
[08:28] <Red_Herring> easy
[08:28] <Red_Herring> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:28] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: does the meta user work like it should
[08:28] <Red_Herring> in the terminal
[08:28] <Red_Herring> konsole
[08:28] <Red_Herring> whatever
[08:28] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[08:29] <MetaMorfoziS> is there any way to copy & rename it?
[08:29] <aladds> FINALLY!!
[08:29] <Blissex> Pyrobob: regenerate the X configuration.
[08:29] <Pyrobob> I saw
[08:29] <Pyrobob> someone said do that a second ago o.o
[08:29] <Blissex> Pyrobob: full instructions in the Wiki. It is pretty easy.
[08:29] <Pyrobob> k
[08:29] <aladds> it was an old network card, advice: use new network cards!
[08:29] <Pyrobob> everything really big lol
[08:30] <claudiu> UFO: i removed avahi-daemon, seems its ok now, no more error
[08:30] <claudiu> thanks
[08:31] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: try using adduser at console?
[08:31] <MetaMorfoziS> I'm deleted the adm group
[08:31] <MetaMorfoziS> i think.
[08:31] <MetaMorfoziS> in the users & grouups it shows the main screen
[08:32] <MetaMorfoziS> i think i'm fuckup the all...
[08:33] <UFO> are you using kuser or are you going thru system-settings
[08:34] <mastergamer> hi
[08:34] <mastergamer> i need help with my wireless lan usb adapter
[08:36] <weedar> mastergamer, it is much better to just ask the question
[08:36] <MetaMorfoziS> re
[08:36] <MetaMorfoziS> shit:(
[08:36] <MetaMorfoziS> The module Users & Groups colud not be loaded
[08:37] <mastergamer> how do i get kubuntu to recognise that my adapter is there?
[08:37] <MetaMorfoziS> if i upgrade to kde 3.5.1 it's solute it?
[08:37] <mastergamer> it just says that i have an eternat interface (which i do), but no usb adapter
[08:38] <weedar> It depends on the usb adapter mastergamer, but often you will have to load the windows driver with the help of ndiswrapper
[08:38] <mastergamer> ok
[08:38] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: try using the system--->usermanager not the system-settings--->users-groups
[08:39] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: donno but its nice to have the new kde :)
[08:40] <UFO> MetaMorfoziS: the reason why you could not load the module could be becouse you have the root pass now
[08:43] <UFO> Red_Herring: last night with the ati problem with jason... we were both right... my solution got driver loaded and resolution right but with the drm problem ;)
[08:43] <Red_Herring> nice
[08:43] <Red_Herring> glad to hear it
[08:44] <UFO> Red_Herring: and with no 3d acceleration
[08:59] <Red_Herring> when is kde4 set to come otu?
[08:59] <Red_Herring> *out
[09:01] <RickKnight> Any postfix gurus here? I have a question about sending mail from my kubuntu to my public address.
[09:02] <TuxTech> Just messing around with Kubuntu for the first time....running it on VMware Player :)
[09:03] <UFO> RickKnight: i have used the postfix
[09:04] <UFO> RickKnight: whats your problem?
[09:04] <RickKnight> UFO: My mail from postfix is bouncing due to MAIL FROM is localhost.localdomain
[09:05] <RickKnight> I've modified /etc/mail.rc to show "MyHostName" as my real host name and "MyDomain" to my real domain but the MAIL FROM is still showing localhost.localdomain.
[09:07] <markrian> The latest Kaffeine doesn't seem to close properly for me - after quitting, the process seems to stick around and I have to manually kill it to get rid of it. Anyone else experiencing this?
[09:08] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:09] <UFO> RickKnight: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#myorigin
[09:09] <RickKnight> UFO: Thanks, I'll go there now.
[09:10] <UFO> RickKnight: its /etc/postfix/main.cf
[09:10] <_root> re
[09:10] <_root> UFO:(
[09:10] <MEta> http://metamorfozis.hu/p/bakker.png
[09:10] <MEta> i'm deleted the adm group
[09:11] <MEta> i think
[09:11] <Hostile> hey guys, I have NFS set up on my linux server, but to mount it on my kubuntu machine my userid has to be the same as my userid on the server, last time I used usermod to change it and my permissions got all screwed up and KDE/gnome wouldnt start even after I reset the permissions, any ideas on the best way to mount this NFS share?
[09:11] <tchize> How do i use the kubuntu install disk to just redo the mbr?
[09:12] <Red_Herring> Hostile: make a new user that can access it?
[09:12] <Red_Herring> !grub
[09:12] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[09:12] <MEta> !adm
[09:12] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, MEta
[09:12] <tchize> how thanks :)
[09:13] <Hostile> Red_Herring: but how is that going to help me if I log into my regular user, or are you saying delete my current user and just remake it specifying the uid when I create it?
[09:13] <brodel> When I go into the file sharing part in system settings it's all greyed out after asking to enter in my password. :( Am I supposed to enable it somewhere else?
[09:13] <Red_Herring> Hostile: not sure
[09:13] <Red_Herring> i dont knwo much about nfs
[09:13] <MEta> UFO please help me:(
[09:13] <UFO> MEta: ok... create new group and add user meta in to that group... but use kuser to do it
[09:13] <Hostile> Red_Herring: it requires my machine to have an identical user as the one with access on the server
[09:14] <Red_Herring> can you change the userid of the server?
[09:14] <_af> hi, when i have installed the firefox package, where can i start firefox??
[09:14] <Red_Herring> to sync with the ubuntu one?
[09:14] <karl> hi guys
[09:14] <Red_Herring> _af: at the ternial, type in firefox
[09:14] <karl> can anyone tell me what the name of the search program in the menu
[09:14] <karl> ?
[09:14] <karl> the kde menu
[09:14] <UFO> MEta: if you dont find it try to type kuser in console
[09:14] <karl> cause i seem to have lost it
[09:15] <karl> and i wanna recreate it
[09:15] <Hostile> Red_Herring: Yeah I might be able to do that, I should go ask someone in the gentoo channel (thats what my server is) about the consequences of doing that
[09:15] <Red_Herring> it shouldnt matter...
[09:15] <Red_Herring> i dont *thin*
[09:15] <karl> GUYS!
[09:15] <Red_Herring> *think
[09:15] <karl> :
[09:15] <karl> :
[09:15] <Red_Herring> ?
[09:15] <karl> at the kde menu
[09:15] <karl> there is a search files thing
[09:15] <UFO> MEta: i got in adm group only my usual user
[09:16] <karl> but that link is gone
[09:16] <Hostile> Red_Herring: yeah.
[09:16] <MEta> yes
[09:16] <MEta> but when i'm delete apu user
[09:16] <MEta> it' asks me about it deletes the adm user
[09:16] <MEta> and after it, i have the bakker.png
[09:17] <MEta> in kuser i'm gunging sg
[09:17] <MEta> so i do logout and try
[09:19] <MetaM> re
[09:19] <MetaM> it's not work
[09:20] <UFO> MetaM: does it work with root
[09:20] <MetaM> with root and with meta yes.
[09:20] <MetaM> with apu it's crazy.
[09:21] <jarlath> Im having trouble installing codecs and other software (like skype for example). Can someone help make sense of this output? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/550153
[09:21] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[09:21] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:21] <Red_Herring> just use that!
[09:22] <Red_Herring> its AWESOME
[09:22] <NeoChaosX> jarlath: that means that the apt repos you have enabled don't have the package libdvdcss2
[09:22] <MetaM> where can i fully reconfgure the users & groups?
[09:22] <Hostile> what does Seveas have in it that is useful?
[09:22] <Red_Herring> skype
[09:22] <pm> what is so awesome?
[09:22] <jarlath> Thanks NeoChaosX
[09:22] <Red_Herring> java sdk 1.5
[09:23] <Red_Herring> win32codecs
[09:23] <pm> sorry, AWESOME? ;P
[09:23] <jarlath> and Red_Herring :)
[09:23] <Hostile> Red_Herring: ooh how about azureus?
[09:23] <Red_Herring> it has all the stuff ubuntu can't legally have
[09:23] <Red_Herring> Hostile: not sure
[09:23] <Red_Herring> ya
[09:23] <Red_Herring> it does
[09:23] <Red_Herring> just checked
[09:23] <MetaM> ufo any idea?:(
[09:24] <NeoChaosX> i've preferred the PLF ubuntu repos for non-free stuff
[09:24] <jarlath> Why isnt that mentioned in the FAQ? I found it totally useless. I followed everything and I ended up with a bad sources.list file.
[09:24] <Hostile> Red_Herring: sweeet
[09:24] <Red_Herring> ya
[09:24] <Red_Herring> !easyubuntu
[09:24] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[09:24] <jarlath> And none of the files the FAQ mentions can be installed as per the FAQ.
[09:24] <Red_Herring> when they FINALLY come out with it
[09:24] <Red_Herring> it will be much better then seveas
[09:25] <SirKillalot> hi, when I try to rightlick->share a directory in konqueror it crashes immediately. Here is the backtrace, any idea where the problem is? http://nopaste.php-q.net/191166
[09:25] <pm> will there be skype 2 for linux?
[09:25] <Red_Herring> not sure
[09:25] <Red_Herring> !skype2
[09:25] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:25] <Red_Herring> !skype
[09:25] <ubotu> hmm... skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[09:25] <UFO> MetaM: have you tried to add user apu to adm group
[09:26] <MetaM> the adm group is not available
[09:26] <MetaM> i'm deleted it
[09:26] <MetaM> ...:((
[09:27] <MetaM> i'm created it but its not the same with the old adm group
[09:27] <pm> i think <IP_ADDRESS> is gonna be  the last version of skype for linux
[09:27] <pm> :(
[09:27] <jarlath> Thanks Red_Herring, thats not the same page I was reading earlier. Maybe it will help.
[09:27] <jihi> no it doesnt work :(
[09:27] <MetaM> i'm dont think the only solution is the reinstalling...
[09:28] <jihi> i have downloaded firefox from mozilla.org, and now?
[09:28] <MetaM> and now you cd to your unzipped frefox and type ./firefox .
[09:28] <MetaM> !firefox1.5
[09:28] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[09:28] <MetaM> but my problem? any idea?:) :(
[09:30] <RickKnight> UFO: Thanks. That helped me find the problem. /etc/postfix/mail.cf myorigin was set to /etc/mailname which was set to localhost.localdomain. Changing myorigin solved the problem.
[09:33] <MetaM> shit
[09:33] <MetaM> is it windows?
[09:33] <antlarr> When using kdesu or any other application that asks for the root password to get root permissions temporarely, they always say the password is wrong
[09:33] <JS> MetaM: still same problem...
[09:33] <MetaM> only the restart solute my problem?
[09:33] <antlarr> (on kubuntu 5.10)
[09:34] <antlarr> any idea of what's wrong?
[09:34] <MetaM> not restart
[09:34] <MetaM> reinstall
[09:34] <MetaM> sry
[09:34] <NeoChaosX> antlarr: you're supposed to enter your own password
[09:34] <MetaM> js, about the user managing?
[09:34] <NeoChaosX> by default ubuntu doesn't enable the root account or a root password
[09:34] <MetaM> and you have crashing users & groups?
[09:34] <MetaM> ehm
[09:34] <jarlath> what do I need to replace the list_of_sections with for seveas?
[09:34] <antlarr> NeoChaosX: no, I mean, using alt-f2, I try to run kate as root, I enter the root password and it says it's wrong
[09:35] <antlarr> NeoChaosX: or with aptitude, I ran it as my user, and when I said "go", it asked for the root password
[09:35] <antlarr> and it also said it was wrong
[09:35] <UFO> MetaM: ok i tried to create new user and it worked great... but what exatly is your problem
[09:35] <antlarr> but "su"  accepts it
[09:35] <NeoChaosX> you're not supposed to enter the root password, you're supposed to enter your own
[09:35] <NeoChaosX> try that instead
[09:35] <MetaM> i'm created a new user and it's not worked.
[09:36] <UFO> MetaM: you could try to upgrade the kde
[09:36] <MetaM> not have the similar permissions (like meta)
[09:36] <MetaM> i'm ugraded...
[09:36] <MetaM> it's shit.
[09:36] <pm> which version of kde is gonna be included in dapper?
[09:37] <UFO> MetaM: what exatly is not working in new user apu?
[09:37] <antlarr> NeoChaosX: I think I'm not explaining it right, If I'm using an unpriviledged user, I press alt-f2 and I try to run kate, then press the Advanced button and I say "run as root", how can it ask me for my own password?
[09:37] <MetaM> ok
[09:37] <antlarr> I don't think it would be right to allow me to run any application as any user just knowing my own password
[09:37] <MetaM> so my users & groups in kcontrol
[09:37] <MetaM> not laods
[09:37] <NeoChaosX> antlarr: that's how Ubuntu is set up
[09:38] <MetaM> because some errors, i'm included: http://metamorfozis.hu/p/bazzeg.png
[09:38] <MetaM> http://metamorfozis.hu/p/bakker.png
[09:38] <NeoChaosX> it may ask for the root password in the dialog, but you're supposed to enter your own password to do any admin taks
[09:39] <antlarr> NeoChaosX: it says password incorrect too
[09:40] <NeoChaosX> well, what the heck
[09:40] <NeoChaosX> you didn't do any advanced customization when you install Kubuntu, did you?
[09:40] <nlindblad> anyone using an intergrated VIA graphic card?
[09:40] <MetaM> is there a reconfigure all?
[09:41] <UFO> MetaM: try apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:41] <MetaM> i'm not want to reinstall this shit
[09:41] <antlarr> I upgraded kde to 3.5.1 just after installing it, so I don't know if it ever worked right
[09:41] <NeoChaosX> huh, that's odd
[09:42] <cmatheson_> i don't have a burner in my computer... i'd like to create an iso using k3b and then copy it over the network where i can burn it... can't figure out how to save the disc as an iso though.  how is this done?
[09:42] <MetaM> its installed
[09:42] <NeoChaosX> antlarr: okay, try again and don't enter a password, then
[09:42] <antlarr> I already tried that
[09:42] <NeoChaosX> oh
[09:42] <jihi> arr, it doesnt work :'(
[09:42] <UFO> try in system the update wizard
[09:43] <MetaM> adept updater?
[09:43] <UFO> MetaM: yes
[09:44] <MetaM> it said i have the newer version
[09:44] <UFO> There was not no need to upgrade anything
[09:45] <MetaM> ?
[09:46] <antlarr> NeoChaosX: I see that by default there is ALL = (ALL) ALL in sudoers, but still, not even "sudo -u root ls /" is working
[09:46] <MetaM> i'm upgraded and updated all
[09:46] <UFO> MetaM: ok... its really wierd.... everything works on meta and root user?... but not with the apu...
[09:46] <NeoChaosX> Huh, that's weird
[09:46] <MetaM> yes
[09:46] <MetaM> i'm very fazed
[09:47] <antlarr> NeoChaosX: http://consistencies.net/20051018/fixing-kdesu-problems-in-kubuntu/
[09:47] <Knowerrors> anybody use mondorescue on ubuntu?
[09:47] <NeoChaosX> antlarr: so you tried doing the steps on that page?
[09:48] <antlarr> I'm trying now
[09:48] <antlarr> let's see
[09:49] <MetaM> i think i'm reinstall this shit...
[09:49] <MetaM> i'm sucking this about 30minutes
[09:49] <MetaM> it's a kubuntu full install time...
[09:49] <MetaM> shitshit.sthi.
[09:49] <UFO> MetaM: ok...
[09:49] <MetaM> sdkfkasld
[09:49] <MetaM> i'm going to die....
[09:50] <MetaM> bye all.
[09:50] <jihi> k, now fire fox runs ^^
[09:50] <jihi> but how do i set it as standard browser?
[09:50] <raz> I cant boot to kde becasue xorg seems to have a problem with the fact that my computer has two video cards. Its says "(WW) NV: no matching Device section for (BUSID PCI:1:0:0) found"
[09:50] <Knowerrors> !mondo
[09:50] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Knowerrors
[09:50] <Knowerrors> !mondorescue
[09:50] <ubotu> Knowerrors: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:51] <NeoChaosX> jihi: go to System Settings, then KDE Components
[09:51] <Knowerrors> grrreat
[09:51] <NeoChaosX> one of the options should be to set the default web browser
[09:51] <raz>  I cant boot to kde becasue xorg seems to have a problem with the fact that my computer has two video cards. Its says "(WW) NV: no matching Device section for (BUSID PCI:1:0:0) found"
[09:53] <UFO> raz: probably wrong driver... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[09:55] <UFO> Red_Herring: you talked about extra repsitory... what was it?
[09:55] <pm> is there a difference between xorg 6.9 and 7.0 apart from the fact that the latter is modular?
[09:55] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[09:55] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:55] <Red_Herring> pm: xorg 7 will support composite
[09:55] <UFO> Red_Herring: thx
[09:55] <Red_Herring> !composite
[09:55] <ubotu> [composite]  at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 -- make sure you read the whole thread.
[09:55] <raz> UFO: I never messed with the driver in xorg.conf - this is happening from a fresh install and both cards are nvida cards that have worked with the nv driver before
[09:57] <pm> i've managed to compile 6.9
[09:57] <Red_Herring> why bother?
[09:57] <pm> but i had no luck with 7.0
[09:59] <pm> elisa-laajakaista - nice word;)
[09:59] <raz> dpkg-
[09:59] <raz>  I cant boot to kde becasue xorg seems to have a problem with the fact that my computer has two video cards. Its says "(WW) NV: no matching Device section for (BUSID PCI:1:0:0) found"
[10:00] <UFO> Red_Herring: only for 32bit?
[10:01] <Red_Herring> what
[10:02] <UFO> Red_Herring: does it contain packages only for 32bit
[10:02] <Red_Herring> oh
[10:02] <Red_Herring> hmmmmmm
[10:02] <Red_Herring> not sure
[10:02] <Red_Herring> someone wanna check?
[10:03] <UFO> !pastebin
[10:03] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[10:04] <UFO> Red_Herring: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8506
[10:05] <Red_Herring> whats your sources.list?
[10:07] <Red_Herring> UFO?
[10:09] <UFO> Red_Herring: Yes
[10:09] <Red_Herring> sources.list?
[10:09] <UFO> Red_Herring:
[10:10] <Red_Herring> ya
[10:10] <UFO> Red_Herring: ok... one second
[10:10] <tburdick> whats the package for development
[10:10] <Red_Herring> kdevelop
[10:10] <tburdick> that installs all the good stuff like gcc, autoconf
[10:10] <Red_Herring> oh
[10:10] <tburdick> thats not it
[10:10] <tburdick> I always forget what its called...
[10:10] <Red_Herring> install-tools
[10:10] <Red_Herring> i think
[10:11] <Red_Herring> when is wine gonna be 1.0?
[10:11] <UFO> Red_Herring: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8507
[10:12] <Red_Herring> deb http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas list_of_sections
[10:12] <Red_Herring> instead try:
[10:12] <Red_Herring> deb http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas all
[10:13] <UFO> Red_Herring: ok.. thx
[10:14] <UFO> Red_Herring: noup.... i read in the forums... it does not support 64bit... but have you ever installed kubuntu over internet?
[10:14] <Red_Herring> nah
[10:14] <Red_Herring> never bothered
[10:14] <Red_Herring> i always had the CD handy
[10:16] <tburdick> build-essentials is what its calle
[10:16] <Red_Herring> thats it
[10:34] <astaroth_> how can i add mp3 support? the faq says that i have to install a few packages, but they can't be found via apt
[10:35] <astaroth_> apt can't find xine at least..wtf?
[11:12] <rysiek> I don't know where to ask this (besides #cvs, buth them CVS guys are dead or away ;) ), maybe here somebody will have a hint
[11:13] <rysiek> I am working on a short python script to send CVS watch notifications through Jabber
[11:13] <rysiek> does anyone know, or knows where to ask, what *exactly* does cvs repo's engine output to the mail function? :)
[11:16] <Red_Herring> <no answer usually means no one knows>
[11:16] <Red_Herring> no clue there, sorry
[11:17] <SirKillalot> how do I get video preview in konqueror?
[11:17] <astaroth_> how can i activate auto-completion with tab in the konsole?
[11:20] <rysiek> Red_Herring, yeah, I suppose
[11:20] <Red_Herring> :-)
[11:23] <UFO> astaroth_: get rid of sudo thing
[11:24] <DjDarkPingvin> hy ,why can`t i install kget via adept?
[11:24] <tburdick> is there a set of audio packages for ubuntu?
[11:24] <tburdick> like jamin... ardour
[11:24] <tburdick> I saw they have some, but they're old
[11:25] <UFO> DjDarkPingvin: try to set apt sources to universe
[11:27] <httpdss> is kubuntu repo down 4 everyone ??
[11:27] <Red_Herring> not me
[11:27] <astaroth_> UFO: how do you mean?
[11:28] <ccc_> httpdss: yes, down here
[11:29] <DjDarkPingvin> UFO: its set
[11:29] <DjDarkPingvin> already
[11:29] <DjDarkPingvin> i  get timeout from the server when i try to install
[11:30] <jarlath> When a needed package cannot be installed by adept (the word  BREAK comes up in caps), what options do I have? The package in question is kmail.
[11:30] <UFO> astaroth_: activate the root password and use su instead of sudo...
[11:31] <httpdss> jarlath: kubuntu and ubuntu repos are down (i think) ... not even sudo will help :P
[11:32] <httpdss> ohh and rss feeds of both ... too ..
[11:32] <httpdss> :-S
[11:32] <DjDarkPingvin> can someone help me with kget?
[11:32] <tsdgeos> httpdss: yes, down here too
[11:34] <jarlath> httpdss: Okay. The error is "httpdss: The error is "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages." Does that sound like the repo is down?
[11:35] <Florian-T> Hi all
[11:35] <Florian-T> can someone help me with printing via irda?
[11:36] <Florian-T> irda works but i have no idea how to connect to the printer
[11:36] <httpdss> yup, sound to me ... ("...a problem downloading some packages...") ... do an update and tell me if u get somthing like " failed to fetch .. blah blah blah"
[11:37] <chris> Where does apt-get source place the source files?
[11:38] <jarlath> httpdss: Yes actually, I did. For main Packages. But not for the kde3.5.1 repo, which is where I assume kmail is coming from.
[11:38] <apokryphos> chris: current directory
[11:38] <chris> lol
[11:38] <chris> :)
[11:38] <chris> I didnt look there dooh
[11:39] <httpdss> get the kde351beta1 on your source.list and update again
[11:43] <jarlath> httpdss, kubuntu.org is down and googling for it doesnt show up anything. Do you have it?
[11:43] <jarlath> I used this for the update  http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.5.1/kubuntu breezy main
[11:43] <astaroth_> how come my gaim sound isn't synchronized with the activity? Normally the sound appears at the moment when a message is received, but there is a delay of 1 or 2 seconds..
[11:43] <Red_Herring> where are the devel files for kde3.5.1
[11:44] <Red_Herring> i need the dev files badly
[11:44] <jarlath> httpdss: there is a 3.5-beta2. Is that the one?
[11:44] <Red_Herring> when is kde4 set to come out?
[11:45] <apokryphos> Riddell: 3.5.1 konqueror (in breezy) seems to identify itself as being on dapper
[11:45] <apokryphos> Red_Herring: around late next October
[11:45] <Red_Herring> vista time?
[11:45] <Red_Herring> nice
[11:46] <Red_Herring> kick their ass
[11:46] <Red_Herring> i hope e17 comes out by then
[11:46] <Red_Herring> then its gonna get real interesting
[11:46] <httpdss> im realizing some of the "easy-ubuntu" or automatix changed my repo GRRRRRRRRRRRR  >:-(
[11:46] <Red_Herring> !automatix
[11:46] <Red_Herring> doooooooooonnnnnnnnnnttttttt use automatix
[11:47] <apokryphos> !+automatix
[11:47] <ubotu> from memory, automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but trust me: the best thing to do is to read the documentation! (sooner or later you'll have to, anyway)
[11:48] <Borut> When will be there on new K3b in repsitory breezy badger?
[11:48] <apokryphos> Borut: there most probably won't be
[11:49] <apokryphos> Breezy is released =)
[11:49] <ep> I guess stuff you do in the real world  ain't as simple as the apple is a fruit example. Just use ADT :)
[11:50] <hope> whats the repository for kde 3.5.1
[11:51] <jarlath> I can see the kmail .deb file in the repo http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.5.1/kubuntu/pool-breezy/kdepim/. So I presume its accessable.
[11:51] <apokryphos> !kde 3.5.1
[11:51] <ubotu> well, kde 3.5.1 is at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[11:51] <hope> thx
[11:51] <httpdss> but kubuntu is down :(
[11:51] <prevello> the main site ?
[11:51] <apokryphos> httpdss: I recommend retrying later then :)
[11:52] <apokryphos> prevello: yes
[11:52] <Tm_T> should be available in few hours
[11:52] <httpdss> apokryphos: yes, i know, thx ... its just im really mad at automatix and want to get my repos right !!!
[11:52] <Tm_T> haha
[11:53] <Tm_T> !automatix
[11:53] <ubotu> automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications (see !easyubuntu), but it's often best to read the documentation.
[11:53] <Tm_T> so true
[11:53] <DjDarkPingvin> can someone help me with kget?i get timeout from the server when i want to download it
[11:53] <apokryphos> DjDarkPingvin: when you want to download kget?
[11:53] <httpdss>  DjDarkPingvin: servers are down ..
[11:54] <apokryphos> DjDarkPingvin: sudo apt-get install kget
[11:54] <apokryphos> httpdss: not the main ubuntu archives
[11:54] <DjDarkPingvin> yes i did that
[11:54] <Borut> There will not be update K3b 0.12.11 for Kubuntu??
[11:55] <DjDarkPingvin> hmmm i think it has been ubdateed
[11:55] <apokryphos> Borut: not in Breezy
[11:55] <Borut> tragedy
[11:55] <Borut> :)
[11:55] <hope> could someone post the kubuntu kde 3.5.1 adept repo for me the kubuntu site is down
[11:55] <tburdick> uh, why would adept uninstall my kernel?
[11:56] <tburdick> I didn't tell it to uninstall that...
[11:56] <tburdick> I told it to install libcap, and it started doing crazy stuff
[11:57] <apokryphos> hope: considering it's down, you won't be able to use it currently...
[11:57] <jarlath> hope: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/550324
[11:57] <DjDarkPingvin> someone please help me with this http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/550322
[11:57] <jarlath> hope: I got those from the kubuntu site before it went down so I assume theyre what you need.
[12:00] <httpdss> ok ... at least automatix made a backup of the source.list ... (madness decreased 1%)


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 Yeah it restarted for some reason. I think it was for meltdown.
 someone is claiming on the video that there isnt a Spanish translation for the Kubuntu installer
[03:59] <ScottK> I don't know if anyone is working on it already, but I prepared the quassel security update for trusty, since I still have trusty systems.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/quassel/+bug/1767539
 @ScottK, Thank you!
 I'll make sure it goes in the archive for Monday.
[04:17] <ScottK> tsimonq2: look in the KDE extras repo on salsa for the patches.  It's going to be different depending on if the release supports c++11 or not.  I don't remember where that cut in on Ubuntu.
[04:18] <ScottK> The stretch patch is the c++11 version from 0.12.5.  The jessie version doesn't need c++11.
 OK.
 ScottK: I'm with Valorie in person at LFNW and she says hello. :)
 @tsimonq2, very cool! enjoy the fest! :)
 @MichaelTun, Thanks. :)
 hey Simon did I tell you? Me + SELF = Confirmed
 About to pick up late wxl from being late on his late train ride.
 @MichaelTun, OOOOOH
 NICE
 @tsimonq2, tisk tisk on wxl
 He's pulling a @MichaelTun. :P
 @tsimonq2, :) I agree and I will also be doing a talk at SELF because why not lol
 @tsimonq2, OH WOW! . . . I mean that's fair but still lol
 @MichaelTun, Lol
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[09:47] <luc4> Hello! Anyone using kde connect with Android? I suspect there is a bug in the kernel that makes my system freeze immediately, can someone confirm this?
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 It works fine for me on Neon and i never had situatioin when it could freeze the system
[10:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 No issue here. please report a bug if it keeps happening
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 is than an official Facebook page for Kubuntu?
[13:32] <acheronuk> mparillo ^^^ ???
[13:32] <acheronuk> I wouldn't go on FB if you paid me.....
[13:32] <acheronuk> ummm. well. maybe if you paid me A LOT!!!
 I dont use facebook either but it is a vital component of marketing these days
[13:36]  * BluesKaj is thinking of deleting his facebook page
[13:36] <acheronuk> if you want to rig elections, I guess so
 <- marketing guy = right about this one :)
[13:37] <acheronuk> doesn't mean I have to like it :P
 that is totally fair. I don't like it either but I deal with it because eyeballs are somewhat important to what I do :)
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[17:36] <mparillo> Yes, there if a FB page. I have two posts there for the 18.04 release: (1) the news (2) the video
[17:36] <mparillo> s/there if/there is/
[17:39] <mparillo> It is a pain to have to fire up a live usb or otherwise-unused VM, then open a browser in porn mode, just to do some marketing.
[18:43] <krytarik> Yes, I also only log in to Facebook using a private window. :3
[21:42] <BionicMac> acheronuk: No fb for me either. I can stomach twitter and instagram though.
[21:42] <BionicMac> And hello everyone. =)