[12:08] <LaserJock> hub: hehe
[12:12] <pirast> good night guys.. and happy dreams about open sourced nvidia and ati drivers :-)
[12:12] <pirast> bye
[12:19] <LaserJock> hmm, nice. OS X just wiped my mp3 player
[12:23] <fowlduck> LaserJock: iTunes did that on my brother's ipod
[12:23] <fowlduck> simply fantastic to lose all that music
[12:23] <LaserJock> well, mine is a sandisk and it shows up as a usbdisk
[12:23] <fowlduck> ???
[12:24] <fowlduck> and it whiped it?
[12:24] <LaserJock> I didn't see any songs
[12:24] <LaserJock> so I dragged one on
[12:24] <LaserJock> and so now I have one song and nothing else
[12:24] <LaserJock> I had 1.9 GB on there
[12:40] <zul> hey
[01:23] <LaserJock> nixternal_: hi!
[01:23] <crimsun> how was the school session this noon (localtime)?
[01:32] <LaserJock> crimsun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources
[01:32] <crimsun> LaserJock: right, but more of an intuitive assessment, not log :-)
[01:33] <LaserJock> I don't know, I missed it :(
[01:57] <LaserJock> darn, we must be doing too much work. LP says there are 2698 pending builds :(
[02:29] <ryanakca> what! drats
[02:29] <ryanakca> I missed motu school
[02:30] !lilo:*! If anyone is at OSCON and can locate Nat Torkington, please message me. Thanks.
[02:30] <jsgotangco> that's fine you can always check the logs
[02:34] <LaserJock> ryanakca: there is another one in a couple days
[02:34] <ryanakca> :)
[02:34] <crimsun> err, there is?
[02:35] <LaserJock> isn't there?
[02:35] <LaserJock> well, more than a couple I guess
[02:39] <fowlduck> LaserJock: laserjock.justgotowned.com
[02:40] <fowlduck> LaserJock: fowlduck.youaremighty.com
[02:40] <fowlduck> crimsun: crimsun.youaremyfriend.com
[02:40] <fowlduck> hehe :)
[02:42] <LaserJock> fowlduck: oh man
[02:42] <fowlduck> LaserJock: hilarious, huh? ;D
[02:42] <fowlduck> i mean, who comes up with this?
[02:46] <LaserJock> fowlduck: people who have more time then me
[02:47] <fowlduck> indeed ;D
[03:21] <lukaswayne9> My packges that got uploaded from the REVU aren't working from universe... I get this error when I try to install E: Package fceu-server has no installation candidate
[03:23] <LaserJock> lukaswayne9: is it in the archives yet?
[03:23] <lukaswayne9> LaserJock: I'll check
[03:24] <crimsun> in Edgy I see pool/universe/f/fceu
[03:25] <lukaswayne9> It was marked uploaded a week ago
[03:25] <crimsun> they're in the NEW queue
[03:25] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=fceu
[03:26] <crimsun> i.e., be patient and the admins will process them
[03:26] <lukaswayne9> oh, okay great
[03:26] <lukaswayne9> thanks
[03:28] <mxpxpod> I'm using linux on powerpc and I tried installing sun-java5-jre and it's dependant on sun-java5-bin, but it doesn't look like that's available on powerpc... does someone have any insight as to why that is?
[03:29] <zul> does it work on powerpc?
[03:29] <mxpxpod> zul: why shouldn't it?
[03:29] <crimsun> because Sun doesn't make binaries of them available.
[03:29] <crimsun> you should use IBM's 1.5 jdk instead.
[03:29] <mxpxpod> crimsun: where do I get that?
[03:30] <crimsun> mxpxpod: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html
[03:30] <crimsun> mxpxpod: 32-bit iSeries/pSeries
[03:31] <mxpxpod> thanks
[03:31] <mxpxpod> will that run tomcat, do you think?
[03:31] <crimsun> yes, it will.
[03:31] <mxpxpod> cool
[03:31] <crimsun> well, I've tested 5.0 and 5.5, that is
[03:32] <mxpxpod> will tomcat work on kaffe?
[03:32] <crimsun> have not tried that. I was employed by IBM at the time, which is the only reason I know about it.
[03:32] <mxpxpod> heh, ok
[03:33] <crimsun> I'd worry about privacy, but they already have my info :-)
[03:33] <mxpxpod> heh
[03:35] <ajmitch> hi
[03:35] <crimsun> hi
[03:36] <mxpxpod> ah, gotta love bugmenot.com
[03:37] <crimsun> :-)
[03:38] <mxpxpod> crimsun: if only someone would package this up
[03:41] <crimsun> it'd be a great candidate for dapper-commercial, true
[03:41] <mxpxpod> is ibm in on ubuntu?
[03:43] <crimsun> I don't know tbh
[03:44] <crimsun> I know some people who work at the RTP facility use and test Ubuntu, and IBM has contacted Ben about the ABAT process for the kernel
[03:44] <zul> i thought that was a while ago
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:44] <crimsun> yeah, that's all I know :)
[03:44] <zul> yeah same here
[03:44] <mxpxpod> if only we could get ibm to contribute their java like sun has
[03:45] <mxpxpod> java sdk, rather
[03:49] <bddebian> Who wants java anything? :-)
[03:49] <mxpxpod> bddebian: not me... but some crazies out there do ;)
[03:51] <son-of-bddebian> bddebian: what's up dude?
[03:52] <bddebian> Uh oh
[03:53] <bddebian> Hello son-of-bddebian :)
[03:53] <bddebian> What'd I do this time?
[03:53] <son-of-bddebian> hmm, maybe I should make it perminent
[03:54] <LaserJock> ah, that's better ;-)
[04:25] <chillywilly> lalla
[04:28] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[04:50] <chillywilly> http://rafb.net/paste/results/iC9aA456.html <-- gnome-settings-daemon keeps crashing in edgy...not sure why cause it starts up fine when I start it manually...
[05:23] <Lathiat> ooh shiny
[05:23] <Lathiat> my dapper cds just rocked up
[05:23] <Lathiat> and they include stickers!
[05:23] <crimsun> nice :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yeah, but we're in the far corner of the world.
[05:24] <StevenK> True.
[05:24] <Lathiat> so now my work has a nic new stock
[05:24] <Lathiat> i got all kubuntu, ubuntu and edubuntu
[05:24] <Lathiat> in 32/64/mac
[05:24] <Lathiat> and like COLORS!
[05:25] <Lathiat> not sure how i ended up with so many 64bit tho
[05:25] <Lathiat> looks liek they modified by order
[05:25] <Lathiat> would have rather they modified the 64bits down than the 32s
[05:25] <Lathiat> oh wel
[05:36] <uniscript> I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone know which module populates /etc/X11/Xsession.d?
[05:37] <hub> Lathiat: I have all CD they ship
[05:37] <crimsun> it's not the right place, but a variety of packages do, namely x11-common, dbus, and xinit, among others.
[05:38] <Lathiat> hub: as do i
[05:38] <Lathiat> altho a small quantity of the less popular ones
[05:38] <Lathiat> but good to have a few
[05:38] <uniscript> when x is reinstalled, does that directory get blown away? If so, how does it get repopulated?
[05:38] <crimsun> uniscript: you --reinstall the packages I just mentioned
[05:38] <uniscript> crimsun: where should I take my question?
[05:38] <crimsun> to #ubuntu
[05:38] <uniscript> OK. Thanks. Bye
[05:38] <hub> I have package that didn't finish compile 1.5hour after I started
[05:38] <hub> *sigh*
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hub: heh, i loe that happening
[05:39] <hub> time for bed
[05:41] <bddebian> Gnight hub
[05:41] <bddebian> *sigh*
[05:51] <LaserJock> anybody got any lilo experience around here?
[05:51] <crimsun> yes, but not for anything terribly complicated
[05:53] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:53] <LaserJock> well I managed to install Dapper on the intel iMac
[05:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: Are the smashintels still OF?
[05:53] <LaserJock> but it doesn't find my install on boot
[05:53] <LaserJock> I wonder if I did something wrong with lilo
[07:02] <Hobbsee> do you guys know about the volumeid bug yet?  it's overwriting a file in libvolumeid0
[07:03] <ajmitch> it is known
[07:03] <Hobbsee> ack, thought i was in -devel
[07:03] <Hobbsee> okay, cool.
[07:08] <ajmitch> someone needs to make the i386 buildd pedal faster
[07:08] <imbrandon_> hehe
[07:12] <viviersf> lol
[07:12] <viviersf> since ajmitch came up with that idea  .....
[07:14] <highvoltage> hi Hobbsee
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hi highvoltage
[07:16] <ajmitch> viviersf: sadly I don't have access
[07:16] <viviersf> lol ajmitch
[07:16] <viviersf> was just joking nways
[07:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: time to go and get it then.
[07:16] <ajmitch> sure, Hobbsee
[07:29] <ajmitch> excellent, ccache is working in pbuilder
[08:05] <Toadstool> good morning everybody
[08:06] <ajmitch> hi Toadstool
[08:06] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch
[09:23] <dholbach> good morning
[09:23] <Toadstool> bonjour Daniel ;)
[09:23] <dholbach> hey Toadstool!
[09:31] <Gloubiboulga> hi MOTU World
[09:32] <ajmitch> hello
[09:32] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach, Toadstool, Gloubiboulga
[09:32] <Toadstool> heya Gloubiboulga, Hobbsee
[09:32] <dholbach> hey Gloubiboulga
[09:32] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[12:28] <Arbiter> good morning MOTU
[12:52] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga: ping
[12:52] <Gloubiboulga> hi Arbiter
[12:53] <Arbiter> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[12:53] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga: fixed and uploaded agave
[12:53] <Gloubiboulga> I've seen :)
[12:53] <Arbiter> kdocker is about to be uploaded
[12:53] <Gloubiboulga> ok, I'll look at both a little later
[12:53] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga: in kdocker's debian/rules i put a little bit of bashism (damned Makefile) :P
[12:54] <Arbiter> (for installing the icon and the .desktop files to proper places)
[12:54] <Gloubiboulga> hum, you have to avoid bashisms
[12:54] <Arbiter> dh_install?
[12:54] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[12:55] <Arbiter> mh... ok :)
[12:55] <Gloubiboulga> edgy uses dash now, so bashims make the packages fail to build
[12:56] <slomo_> Gloubiboulga: are you sure it is used on the buildds already? afaik it isn't used there yet because the chroots are not updated yet
[12:57] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga: yup but i use only standard POSIX calls
[12:57] <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, I don't really know but I guess it'll be used soon or later
[12:57] <Arbiter> (no {} or such things)
[12:57] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, oh, it's ok then
[01:36] <chris^> Hi
[01:42] <Arbiter> hi chris^
[01:42] <chris^> I have just the idear, that there shoud be an extra loginsession for XGL per default...
[01:42] <chris^> if I install XGL on Edgy
[01:42] <chris^> that woud be easy to switch and test XGL
[01:42] <Arbiter> yup
[01:42] <chris^> someone sad, i shoud post this here ;)
[01:43] <Arbiter> chris^: yup i read in #ubuntu-devel :)
[01:43] <chris^> :)
[01:43] <chris^> i'm still testing XGL on Dapper
[01:43] <chris^> it's quiet cool and very stable
[01:43] <Arbiter> chris^: i'm not a MOTU yet (nor an ubuntu member)
[01:43] <chris^> just 2 or 3 little Bugs...
[01:46] <Arbiter> chris^: i approve your idea :)
[01:46] <chris^> :)
[01:49] <Arbiter> chris^: but i don't have any weight in MOTUs decisions
[01:49] <chris^> well
[01:50] <chris^> link to the discussion/posting?
[01:50] <Arbiter> chris^: i think you should ask a MOTU directly
[02:17] <tseng> has something changed with langpacks?
[02:17] <tseng> $ urxvt
[02:17] <tseng> urxvt: the locale is not supported by Xlib, working without locale support.
[02:17] <tseng> I am using en_US.UTF8 or whatever
[02:17] <tseng> and language-pack-en* is installed
[02:18] <ajmitch> run locale-gen again?
[02:19] <tseng> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:19] <tseng> I did that
[02:19] <tseng> to the same effect
[02:19] <ajmitch> that method is obsolete, supposedly
[02:19] <ajmitch> with the switch to belocs*
[02:19] <Mithrandir> tseng: it looks like Xlib forgot about a bunch of UTF8 locales
[02:20] <sladen> oh, is /tat/ what the locale spew is aobut
[02:20] <tseng> I am not sure if this is the cause of urxvt not using a sensible font
[02:21] <tseng> Rxvt*font:xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=12
[02:21] <tseng> oh maybe they changed what names they match in xres again
[02:22] <tseng> ah there we go.
[02:23] <tseng> all sorted.
[02:26] <ajmitch> tseng: and the fix was?
[02:26] <tseng> Rxvt*blah stopped matching
[02:26] <tseng> so i did a regex to URxvt.foo: blah
[02:26] <tseng> er
[02:26] <tseng> .blah: foo
[02:26] <tseng> but you know what I mean.
[02:27] <tseng> and then your xrdb -all .Xdefaults
[02:27] <ajmitch> edgy upgrade just screwed up my emacs fonts, probably not related though
[02:28] <tseng> if they are set in xres its possible
[02:28] <tseng> parsing seems less lax
[02:28] <ajmitch> they're not on here
[02:28] <tseng> I'll happily ignore the UTF8 errors now
[02:29] <tseng> since its not the cause of not reading my fonts
[02:29] <tseng> I am fluent in "C"
[02:37] <pirast> hi, i try to package blocxx. the source code has a dir "doc". should the files located in the dir installed to /usr/share/doc/....... or should they not?
[02:45] <ryanakca> I'm trying to package galaxymage... and I have a feeling its very simple to do so... since all I have to do is go "python GalaxyMage.py" in the source directory... except i'm not positive as to how to package it... (I'm used to the make style)... got a link anybody?
[02:56] <pirast> ryanakca, yesterday i hit on a howto how to make python debs.. but sadly i can find the link again, you may want to look for debhelper-python
[02:57] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[02:58] <ryanakca> pirast: just a quick thought... history?
[02:58] <pirast> ryanakca wait, i look if i can find it there..
[02:59] <ryanakca> :)
[03:00] <pirast> ryanakca okay i found it.. but it was about build debian packages with perl modules.. sorry.. i remembered wrong
[03:00] <pirast> *building
[03:01] <ryanakca> lol, thanks anywais :)
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:58] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[04:10] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, I have to leave for a couple of hours, let's see what we can do with prismstumbler when I'm back :)
[04:13] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: NP, thanks
[04:26] <bddebian> *sigh*
[04:28] <Arbiter> yaaawn
[04:30] <zul> cd /var/qmail/bin
[04:30] <zul> damn it
[05:06] <seaLne> is revu broken?
[05:06] <seaLne> Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer
[05:18] <ryanakca> seaLne: you trying to upload or download?
[05:18] <pirast> is a revu admin in this channel?
[05:18] <ryanakca> upload I take it... "Could not create file"
[05:18] <seaLne> upload
[05:19] <ryanakca> dput it :)
[05:19] <seaLne> thats what generates the error...
[05:19] <ajmitch> pirast: yes
[05:19] <ajmitch> seaLne: what package?
[05:19] <ryanakca> lol... oops.. (I thought you where using something like gftp or something)
[05:19] <seaLne> ajmitch: kmobiletools, you able to see log?
[05:19] <pirast> ajmitch: whats his name?
[05:20] <ajmitch> seaLne: cleared it, try again
[05:20] <Toadstool> pirast: it's ajmitch :)
[05:20] <seaLne> ajmitch: what was wrong?
[05:20] <ryanakca> ajmitch: can you reset my revu password? the "retreive password" python script doesn't work for me :)
[05:20] <ajmitch> seaLne: the files were there.. if an upload breaks partway through they need to be deleted
[05:21] <ajmitch> ryanakca: have you uploaded a package to revu, that appears on the page?
[05:21] <seaLne> ah
[05:21] <ryanakca> yes, typespeed
[05:21] <pirast> ajmitch, nice to meet you again :-) i select blocxx to package and i finished now. so i uploaded to revu - but the password recovery function does not work. there always is a broken pipe error or there does not appear any text to paste..
[05:21] <ryanakca> two uploads of it (two different versions)
[05:21] <ryanakca> same thing happens to me :)
[05:22] <ajmitch> does the key you use have that email address as a uid?
[05:22] <ryanakca> yes
[05:23] <pirast> ajmitch, sure..
[05:23] <ajmitch> pirast: have you been accepted into the group on launchpad, and your key imported into revu?
[05:24] <ajmitch> ok, I see what the problem is for retrieving, at least
[05:24] <pirast> ajmitch: i think so, yes.. it shows "approved", and my key is in launchpad, too..
[05:24] <pirast> ajmitch: great :-)
[05:25] <ajmitch> be patient, I'm reimporting keys
[05:29] <seaLne> did revu not used to have a last generated date on it somewhere?
[05:30] <ajmitch> ok, blocxx & kmobiletools should be up now
[05:31] <ajmitch> try retrieving passwords
[05:32] <ryanakca> ajmitch: works, ty
[05:32] <seaLne> thanks
[05:33] <pirast> ajmitch: works, thanks
[05:37] <ryanakca> what package provides gnome-config? "./configure: line 1479: gnome-config: command not found"
[05:38] <azeem> ryanakca: that's some GNOME-1.x thing
[05:38] <azeem> AFAIK
[05:39] <ryanakca> and how do I build a package that depends on it?
[05:39] <azeem> are you sure you want to build it?
[05:39] <ryanakca> well... it's the only linux euchre game I've found :)
[05:39] <azeem> GNOME-1.x is pretty obsolete
[05:40] <azeem> but, surprise, libgnome-dev is still in dapper
[05:40] <azeem> ryanakca: packages.ubuntu.com has a search facility, btw (which I used to find out the information for you)
[05:40] <ryanakca> ah, ty.. I had searched aptitude :)
[05:40] <azeem> aptitude doesn't search for files, use apt-file for that
[05:41] <ryanakca> ty
[05:41] <ryanakca> http://sourceforge.net/projects/euchre/
[05:42] <ryanakca> hasn't been touched since 02... but oh well
[05:44] <ryanakca> azeem: any ideas?
[05:44] <azeem> about what?
[05:45] <azeem>  Development Status : 3 - Alpha
[05:45] <bddebian> azeem!!  Hey, you are Mr. Science packages right? :-)
[05:45] <azeem> bddebian: I'm Mr. Chemistry packages
[05:45] <bddebian> Damn
[05:49] <ryanakca> azeem: I can't install libgnome-dev without removing libdb4.3.dev... http://pastebin.ca/100936
[05:50] <azeem> ryanakca: so make a decision which one you need more urgently
[05:50] <ryanakca> which means that the end-user will have to make the same decision
[05:50] <azeem> does euchre need db4.3?
[05:50] <ryanakca> and libdb4.3 and libdb3 can't coexist?
[05:51] <ryanakca> hmmm... not from what I can tell
[05:53] <azeem> ryanakca: the runtime libdb package do not conflict
[05:53] <ryanakca> soo... why can't I keep both?
[05:54] <azeem> because the development packages conflict
[05:54] <ryanakca> ok...
[05:55] <azeem> ryanakca: are you planning to make a .deb out of this
[05:55] <azeem> ?
[05:55] <ryanakca> yes... but before I want to test it...
[05:55] <ryanakca> but I don't think making a .deb of it will be such a good idea
[05:58] <ryanakca> ok... figured it out... it's a choice between apache and euchre... I installed apache from source, so I'm fine :)
[07:41] <ogra> quidam--aWay, please turn off public away messages in ubuntu channels
[07:42] <quidam--aWay> ogra, sorry
[07:42] <ogra> np :)
[10:13] <allee> raphink: after last week end you're are an FAI expert, right?
[10:13] <allee> uh, wrong channel, sorry
[10:13] <raphink> haha
[10:13] <raphink> well I'm much better at it for sure
[10:14] <ogra> allee, why ? fai is in universe ;)
[10:14] <allee> ogra: need to find out if fai fits my needs ;)
[10:14] <raphink> allee: what are your needs?
[10:15] <allee> raphink: automtic install of independet hosts (no nfs), with later management of config files
[10:16] <raphink> then FAI/Cfengine is what you need indeed
[10:16] <allee> ah, cool I remembers from long time ago that it used nfs
[10:16] <raphink> yes
[10:16] <raphink> it uses nfs for the PXE boot
[10:17] <ogra> preseeding should suffice as well, at least in ubuntu ...
[10:18] <allee> raphink: eh?  So instead of mounting, e.g. a CDROM, it mount something like an installation image via nfs?
[10:19] <raphink> well  no
[10:19] <raphink> it boots the client using the NFS root
[10:19] <raphink> delivered through PXE boot
[10:19] <raphink> the client boots with PXE, gets a kernel and a minimal boot environement on the NFS root
[10:19] <raphink> then it declares classes using the FAI client
[10:20] <raphink> and then the FAI server sends it packages to install depending on the classes it declared
[10:20] <raphink> then you can run scripts for config and such (perl, bash, cfengine, whatever)
[10:20] <raphink> and you can use the classes defined in the FAI to pass to cfengine or to other scripts
[10:21] <allee> ah, so cfengine is not an integrated part
[10:21] <raphink> well you add cfengine scripts to FAI
[10:22] <raphink> so they are run as part of the FAI install
[10:22] <allee> k
[10:22] <raphink> then you can use softupdate to update your machines
[10:22] <raphink> and fai-updater as a nice centralized tool for that
[10:23] <ogra> well, you can as well do the same with a simple preseed file ... wthere is the advantage of fai here ?
[10:23] <raphink> ogra: how do you mean?
[10:23] <allee> ogra: did type faster than me :)
[10:23] <raphink> what is preseeding?
[10:23] <ogra> raphink, i can replace the complete fai class stuff with a preseed file ...
[10:23] <allee> raphink: what's the advantage of FAI+cfengine combo compared to preseed+cfengine
[10:24] <raphink> what is preseed?
[10:24] <ogra> raphink, ubuntus way to do mass deployments :)
[10:24] <raphink> how so?
[10:24] <ogra> preseed means that debconf allows you to set key value pairs for every debian package (including d-i)
[10:24] <allee> ogra: you use preseeding?
[10:25] <ogra> we use per package preseeding in ltsp ... which i maintain
[10:25] <ogra> and i use a preseed file for the edubuntu CD
[10:25] <raphink> ogra: I don't see how that allows to install tuned machines via PXE
[10:25] <azeem> ogra: how do you select the set of packages to install on a particular box?
[10:25] <raphink> hi azeem
[10:25] <azeem> hi
[10:25] <ogra> raphink, what exactly do you tune ? package selections and configs, no ?
[10:25] <allee> raphink: pxe -> netboot.tar -> log preseed file -> stops debconf to ask question
[10:25] <allee> s/log/load/
[10:26] <ogra> azeem, with an individual preseed file ?
[10:26] <raphink> ogra: yes, depending on static and dynamic classes, that can be defined by scripts
[10:26] <allee> hi azeem
[10:26] <raphink> allee: you can only install one type of machines with that
[10:26] <raphink> or do I misunderstand how it works?
[10:27] <raphink> with FAI, there is not one file describing the packages to be installed
[10:27] <raphink> there are multiple classes
[10:27] <allee> raphink: no,  I use postinstall scripts to do anything special (depending on hostname)
[10:27] <raphink> that can define which packages to install depending on the belonging to groups, arch, type of network card or whatever else
[10:28] <raphink> it also defines how to partition the drives
[10:28] <raphink> allee: so you have to modify the packages
[10:28] <azeem> the question is whether you really need that flexibility for your needs
[10:28] <raphink> azeem: yes indeed
[10:28] <allee> raphink: right so classes reduce overhead.   But AFAIR cfengine uses the classes concept too
[10:28] <azeem> allee probably installs a set of identical boxen
[10:28] <raphink> I personally do, for my pool of machines
[10:28] <raphink> allee: yes, and taht's the good point, FAI can forward its classes to the cfengine scripts
[10:29] <raphink> so that you only define the classes once
[10:29] <raphink> allee: cfengine won't let you install packages depending on the classes though
[10:29] <raphink> and one important thing for me: cfengine only executes commands on the client, not on the server
[10:29] <raphink> so if you want to generate conf depending on parameters on the server side
[10:30] <raphink> it's better to have FAI run some perl/bash/python/php script before it runs the cfengine one that will merely deploy the generated conf
[10:30] <raphink> but then as azeem said it depends on your needs
[10:30] <raphink> whether you need a pool of identical machines
[10:30] <raphink> or very similar
[10:31] <raphink> or you need a pool with 1000 machines belonging to at least 10 different classes
[10:31] <raphink> and then FAI is very useful
[10:31] <allee> ~ 80 hosts  ~ 5 classes,   of dozend of different  hardware ;)
[10:32] <raphink> I'd got with FAI for that still allee
[10:32] <raphink> all the more that you can use softupdate afterwards on these machines
[10:32] <raphink> preseeds will only allow you to install the machines once
[10:32] <raphink> not to keep them up-to-date later
[10:32] <ogra> nope
[10:32] <raphink> with packages that is
[10:32] <raphink> unless you use package tricks in cfengine
[10:33] <ogra> it will also help you doing the complete setup
[10:33] <kmilo> Hi
[10:33] <raphink> like module:pkginstall
[10:33] <allee> raphink: how are post install updates handles.  E.g. all hosts should have pkg x + y now too and pkg z not anymore?
[10:33] <raphink> allee: from what I know, you change the list of packages by classes
[10:33] <raphink> and run softupdates
[10:34] <raphink> haven't really experimented with this side yet
[10:34] <ogra> well, i'd rather preseed cron-apt to run daily and do the update itself ;)
[10:34] <allee> 'k   can I alter support dapper and edgy from same FAI server or do I need a now one
[10:34] <allee> +?
[10:34] <raphink> then you can also do some kind of cfemerge like they did in my company ;)
[10:34] <raphink> deploying the sources with cfengine and building them with the shellcommands ;)
[10:35] <raphink> ogra: then you don't know what it installs when it performs upgrades
[10:35] <raphink> most sysadmins don't want that
[10:35] <ogra> it updates whats available
[10:35] <raphink> they want to know exactly what is installed and what it might impact
[10:35] <allee> ogra: ah, right: preseeding pkgs (after installation).  How this done?
[10:35] <ogra> so i let mail apt-listchanges the changes to me
[10:35] <raphink> and manually choose to perform security updates or not
[10:35] <ogra> but i have a lot less work
[10:36] <raphink> hmm
[10:36] <ogra> allee, with a preseed file you set key/value pairs for debconf options
[10:38] <ogra> ubuntu even has a gui to create such a file for the installer ;)
[10:38] <ogra> system-config-kickstart ;)
[10:38] <allee> ogra: this kickstart derivative?
[10:38] <ogra> its really only the glade file from kickstart ;)
[10:39] <ogra> the backend produces a preseed file for netinstalls and the like
[10:39] <allee> ogra: does it now support all preseed options?  In middle of dapper devel cycle it didn't
[10:40] <ogra> allee, no idea, i never used it, but i guess it does ... Kamion maintains it ...
[10:40] <allee> 'k
[10:42] <raphink> I'm sure I don't need preseed now :)
[10:42] <raphink> although I reckon it's a simple way to install identical machines
[10:42] <allee> ogra: about preseeding pkgs:  Is there a tool to merge a pkg preseed file into /var/cache/debconf/config.dat ?
[10:44] <allee> raphink: I have a more closer look to fai
[10:44] <raphink> mhm
[10:48] <crimsun> woot, a Breaks field for dpkg
[10:54] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, I don't quite get what that means
[10:57] <allee> crimsun: Breaks field?
[10:57] <crimsun> allee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageDependencyFieldBreaks
[11:02] <shawarma> I've got another merge, if there are any takers: http://www.linux2go.dk/edgy-merges/mail-notification-merge.diff
[11:03] <crimsun> sure, give me a sec
[11:04] <bddebian> crimsun: Oh sure, help everyone but me with axiom.. ;-P
[11:06] <shawarma> bddebian: What's the problem?
[11:06] <bddebian> shawarma: It's ugly :-)
[11:06] <shawarma> bddebian: The merge?
[11:07] <bddebian> shawarma: It FTBFSs  I can fix the C generated errors but it stops building one of the object files and I can't figure out why
[11:07] <shawarma> bddebian: gimme a sec, I'll just download it.
[11:08] <bddebian> shawarma: It's 40Mb of source :-)
[11:08] <shawarma> bddebian: Yeah.. and merges.ubuntu.com isn't the fastest host in the world, apparantly.
[11:09] <shawarma> bddebian: I've got 100Mbit/s, so it's not my end that's slow. :-)
[11:09] <bddebian> shawarma: Just pull it from packages.qa.debian.org :-)
[11:09] <shawarma> bddebian: Nah.. I'll rather wait a little using grab-merge.sh than have to do stuff manually.  At least I got the source I need.
[11:15] <shawarma> bddebian: The previous merge seems to consist of a s!/usr/X11R6!/usr!g ... And that doesn't do the trick now?
[11:16] <allee> crimsun: why can debian think positive and use Requires: x (>> whatever) instead of Breaks: xy (<<whatever) ;)
[11:16] <bddebian> shawarma: Try it if you like
[11:17] <shawarma> bddebian: Will do as soon as the download finishes.. Sheesh!
[11:18] <bddebian> shawarma: Your first problem is going to be build-depping on xfree86-common :-)
[11:19] <shawarma> bddebian: Oh...
[11:22] <shawarma> bddebian: I see now why you call it ugly. :-)
[11:23] <shawarma> bddebian: Complete with CVS directories and everything.
[11:24] <bddebian> Oh and upstream has been dead for almost 2 years too :-)
[11:24] <LaserJock> oh, I was just going to ask you what the current upstream version was
[11:26] <shawarma> The clean target of debian/rules tries to build a bunch of stuff.. Madness all around.
[11:26] <hub> I have uploaded a new version of hugin
[11:27] <hub> that has a better licensing for vigrA
[11:34] <hub> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2797 <- new hugin version with licensing issues fixed
[11:34] <hub> can anyone review it?
[11:34] <hub> please
[11:37] <crimsun> hub: you said you've already uploaded it?
[11:38] <hub> crimsun: it got rejected for licensing issues
[11:38] <hub> crimsun: upstream addressed them
[11:38] <hub> libvigra was non-free
[11:38] <hub> now it is MIT-style
[11:38] <allee> hub: you have to include LICENSE_JHEAD in copyright
[11:38] <hub> allee: it is in there
[11:39] <allee> hub: just two paragraphs? cool ;)
[11:39] <hub> yeah
[11:39] <hub> the license file is also in the package
[11:40] <bddebian> Ack, I gotta go home.  Later folks
[11:40] <crimsun> libgtk2.0-dev is pulled in by libwxgtk2.6-dev
[11:40] <allee> hub then remove (see * file).  Everything has to be in copyright or /usr/share/common-licenses/
[11:41] <allee> hub: notify upstead that they use of FSF address
[11:41] <bddebian> shawarma: I will probably be back on in a couple of hours if you haven't given up by then ;-)
[11:41] <hub> allee: copyright has everything
[11:41] <hub> allee: both non-standard license
[11:42] <hub> I'll set that square more deeply
[11:42] <crimsun> hub: any reason for dh_compat 4?
[11:42] <hub> crimsun: legacy I suspect
[11:42] <hub> what does 5 provide?
[11:42] <hub> I can upgrade, not a problem
[11:43] <crimsun> hub: important is probably the changed semantics of dh_strip
[11:43] <allee> hub: yep. I understand but the '(see xxxx file)' seem to indicate that there is more.  So I suggest to remove it or replace it   with Copy of xxx file:
[11:43] <crimsun> hub: it's not critical to use v5 if you don't wish
[11:43] <hub> allee: yeah, I get it
[11:44] <hub> I should put the vigra copyright
[11:46] <shawarma> crimsun: Thanks for reviewing and uploading my merge.
[11:46] <crimsun> if you're going to upload a new source package, I'd adjust debian/c{hangelog,ontrol}
[11:46] <crimsun> and debian/compat
[11:47] <crimsun> shawarma: np
[11:49] <hub> crimsun: ok
[12:03] <ryanakca> are there any easy to package packages that need packaging? (nothing too complicated... just to get me used to packaging... I've done typespeed allready... )
[12:06] <crimsun> well, probably.
[12:06] <zul> hi crimsun
[12:06] <crimsun> hi zul


[00:24] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: that wasn't nice :P
[15:09] <xTEMPLARx> I was a grouch last night, wrst
[15:09] <xTEMPLARx> arch butchered my home machine
[15:09] <xTEMPLARx> I blame arch
[15:09] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:10] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx did you follow the isntructions?
[15:10] <wrst> *instructions
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> to the letters
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> even went back and repeated
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> I got a bootable system out of it
[15:11] <wrst> what did you have trouble with
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> even got networking back
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> got x installed, along with gnome, xfce and kde
[15:11] <xTEMPLARx> but x wouldn't run to save it's life
[15:12] <xTEMPLARx> it was like I'd compiled from source and there were no existing default configs
[15:12] <xTEMPLARx> which didn't surprise me, but was counter to what I'd read that I should expect
[15:12] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: did you follow the instructions on getting x running?
[15:12] <wrst> and install the needed video driver?
[15:13] <xTEMPLARx> besides that, little things like getting an error message at login that tells me that my /etc/locale.conf is "access denied" to me
[15:13] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  according to two of the sites, I did more than I should have had to
[15:13] <wrst> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg
[15:13] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:  you can't look at sites gotta follow the arch wiki
[15:13] <xTEMPLARx> they made it seem like it should essentially run at least in a basic mode after installation
[15:14] <xTEMPLARx> regardless, X was the least of my worries with all the other weirdness going on
[15:14] <xTEMPLARx> things that even arch's wiki instructions said should be there weren't
[15:14] <wrst> did you use the arch wiki xTEMPLARx?
[15:14] <xTEMPLARx> of course
[15:14] <wrst> did you set up systemd ?
[15:14] <xTEMPLARx> I started there and only branched out when trying to figure out why *I* was having trouble and nobody else was
[15:15] <xTEMPLARx> don't believe I touched systemd specifically... doesn't mean it wasn't installed :\
[15:15] <wrst> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Native_configuration
[15:15] <wrst> its installed by default but you ahve to set things like the hostname, locale etc that were handled by rc.conf when sysv init was used
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> I did all those things :\
[15:16] <wrst> ok i'm not for sure then, but i'm sure YOU messed up :P
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> bet I didn't do the 644
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> nope couldn't have been me
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> i'm perfect in every way
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> ;)
[15:18] <xTEMPLARx> I will admit, however, that I DID mess up on two points:
[15:18] <xTEMPLARx> a)  it is my primary machine at home.  I shouldn't have jacked my primary machine to that degree to play around with arch.
[15:18] <xTEMPLARx> b)  I am an impatient person these days.  redhat, then ubuntu, installers have spoiled me into thinking it shouldn't take long
[15:19] <xTEMPLARx> I still have my little stack of Slackware install floppies from back in the day, but I do NOT have the little stack of patience that is necessary to get it going with them
[15:57] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i would suggest you do arch in a VM to start with
[15:57] <wrst> then move to bare metal
[16:21] <xTEMPLARx> see that's the funny thing, wrst... my vm install of arch here went pretty smoothly
[16:21] <wrst> well you should know what you are doing, and I trust you are using the latest download?
[16:21] <xTEMPLARx> the primary difference I can think off right off the top of my head here, though, was that I used syslinux rather than grub, but that shouldn't be a factor downrange from that point of the install, really
[16:21] <xTEMPLARx> but of course
[16:21] <wrst> no if you are booting you should be good to go
[16:21] <wrst> so what is your problem?
[16:21] <xTEMPLARx> freshly downloaded and burned just prior to install
[16:22] <wrst> no x or that worning?
[16:22] <xTEMPLARx> that warning, I'm sure, is a sign of other things broken.
[16:22] <wrst> so you have x running?
[16:22] <xTEMPLARx> that and certain other things not being present.. for example, there were networking profiles that were claimed to be there in the instructions, that were nowhere on the system.. had to dig other sites to discover where they came from
[16:22] <xTEMPLARx> nope, no x
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> but honestly, I just stepped away from it after a couple of hours of tinkering, as I knew I was becoming more and more impatient
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> and I had a wife and son to attend to
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> my son got to hear me say "later" and "after a while" way too often yesterday
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> :(
[16:24] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yeah something isn't right somwhere, but of course you already knew that great bit of wisdom
[16:24] <wrst> i can generally have arch running and a desktop in play in an hour inlcuding download time
[16:24] <xTEMPLARx> okay then something is definitely broken
[16:25] <xTEMPLARx> I should set up ssh for you and let you remote in to save the day :P
[16:25] <wrst> ha ha or destroy your system more likely :)
[16:25] <xTEMPLARx> I'll hopefully get to tinker with it some more later tonight, but we have christmas presentation practice tonight so I don't know how much energy I'll have when I get home
[16:26] <wrst> did you set the locale with the localectl command?
[16:30] <xTEMPLARx> nope I did it manually per some other instruction in the wiki installation guide
[16:31] <xTEMPLARx> I hadn't heard of the localectl command till I looked at your link a few minutes ago
[16:32] <xTEMPLARx> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Locale#Setting_system-wide_locale
[16:38] <wrst> I think that should have worked, but some of the documentation is lagging behin with systemd
[16:38] <wrst> i would try setting it with systemd just to be sure, maybe erase the file and start over again with it
[16:39] <xTEMPLARx> using localctl?
[16:39] <xTEMPLARx> argh
[16:39] <xTEMPLARx> so if the documentation is lagging
[16:39] <xTEMPLARx> what's a fellow supposed to do?
[16:39] <xTEMPLARx> guess I'll shoot myself in the foot
[16:39] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[16:52] <wrst> ha xTEMPLARx well you just have to be sure you are following systemd stuff if you are using systemd some people are still on sysv init
[16:54] <xTEMPLARx> see, I believe the system has installed sysv by default
[16:54] <xTEMPLARx> or that's how it's set up anyway, mebbe
[16:54] <xTEMPLARx> I dunno
[16:55] <xTEMPLARx> seems like they'd pick one and go with it by default, and let you change it if you like
[16:55] <xTEMPLARx> or maybe that's the problem
[16:55] <xTEMPLARx> I dunno
[16:55] <xTEMPLARx> ooo deja vu
[16:55] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: systemd is the default, they are going to remove sysv out of the repos but its a time of transition
[16:55]  * wrst goes into #archlinux mode
[16:56] <wrst> however if you didnt' read that you obviously didn't read the manual as you should nad its YOUR fault :)
[16:57] <wrst> https://www.archlinux.org/news/systemd-is-now-the-default-on-new-installations/
[16:57] <wrst> https://www.archlinux.org/news/end-of-initscripts-support/
[16:57] <wrst> etc etc
[16:59] <xTEMPLARx> I started with their installation guide, following the instructions given me.  Shouldn't have to have to pick and pluck random details from all over the place to make it work when they're giving you step-by-steps.
[16:59] <xTEMPLARx> have to have to lol
[16:59] <wrst> you have to be sure you are following systemd instructions
[16:59] <xTEMPLARx> granted, there are many spots in the instructions which are choose-your-own-adventure style
[16:59] <xTEMPLARx> but still
[17:00] <wrst> many places have both, its confusing but well if you are going to be an arch user...
[17:00] <xTEMPLARx> So someone needs to update https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_Guide then?
[17:00] <xTEMPLARx> hrm
[17:00] <xTEMPLARx> <--- probably being difficult
[17:00] <xTEMPLARx> but
[17:00] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: here is the answer for you http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1qBGyI/AAAAAAAAAeM/3k_ntrDWmOw/s1600-h/ubuntu.png
[17:00] <xTEMPLARx> I don't remember having this much problem the first time I tried following it a while back.  and that better not be their snarky graphic :P
[17:01] <xTEMPLARx> worries me that you have it so readily available
[17:01] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i follow that guide everytime and had no issues
[17:01] <wrst> but for instance when you get to grub you have o click on the grub section and go to the grub wiki
[17:01] <xTEMPLARx> but of course
[17:01] <xTEMPLARx> if you don't, you won't boot :D
[17:02] <wrst> and its linux there are 15 different ways to accomplish the same task :)
[17:02] <wrst> i actually installed on my desktop without any of the install scripts
[17:02] <wrst> just chrooted and did everything manual it wasn't bad either, but i used an external website and expected it to fail but it didn't
[17:02] <xTEMPLARx> external website?
[17:03] <xTEMPLARx> I was doing everything manually as well
[17:03] <xTEMPLARx> which is why it seemed like there were missing steps in there
[17:03] <xTEMPLARx> but like you say, if I didn't follow every rabbit hole, I probably missed things that were easily skimmed over
[17:03] <wrst> that is what usually happens to me
[17:05] <xTEMPLARx> it's not good to be borderline A.D.D. during installation, either, I'm assuming
[17:05] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i think truth be known the arch devs don't care about adoption and i think they were feeling it was almost too easy for people to get it running, now they won't say that but I think that's what they have done
[17:05] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: NO! and I'm borderline add but i have to completely zone in to do it
[17:06] <xTEMPLARx> that's a difficult thing to do in my house
[17:06] <xTEMPLARx> either my wife or my son are always tugging at me while I'm at home
[17:07] <wrst> this i know i wait until they sleep
[17:07] <xTEMPLARx> I started to make a comment about that, too, as I usually end up feeling guilty even then and can't focus.
[17:07] <xTEMPLARx> hard to explain I guess
[17:07] <wrst> i'm a heartless arch user what is guilt? :)
[17:07] <xTEMPLARx> I could, but it'd probably sound weird
[17:08] <xTEMPLARx> :P
[17:08] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: I am weird by definition so nothing is probably going to sound weird to me
[17:26] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[18:48] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: when you will get arch running you won't go back because you will have to justify all the time you spent on it :)
[18:54] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  Pfft!
[18:54] <xTEMPLARx> I can always justify my bad decisions
[18:54] <wrst> ha you know its true
[18:54] <xTEMPLARx> at least for the first 24 hours
[18:54] <wrst> good point me too
[19:05] <wrst> ha xTEMPLARx
[19:05] <wrst> greetings chris4585
[19:08] <chris4585> hey wrst
[19:08] <xTEMPLARx> good morning chris4585
[19:08] <chris4585> hey xTEMPLARx
[19:09] <wrst> howdy howdy
[20:05] <chris4585> reinstalled arch/bang
[20:05] <chris4585> I wanted to but at the same time my manjaro updated and something was off with the drivers
[23:48] <wrst> wb chris4585
[23:57] <chris4585> thanks


[00:06] <corrinado[m]> Excellent Eick.  I was simply looking to avoid overwriting anything special that your team had accomplished with that package. Appreciate your input. Will send my friend that direction for the install. Thank you.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> corrinado[m]: I wouldn't touch Wine with a 10-foot pole myself in terms of patching. I think it's merely sync'd from Debian and patched with build fixes.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> But not by this team.


[06:00] <tjaalton> infinity: lo and behold, I got the gpu hung on my t420s after using it for an hour :)
[06:05] <RAOF> VT-d claims another victim?
[06:06] <tjaalton> not sure
[06:07] <tjaalton> also, xorg resumed after a while, so it wasn't a fatal hang
[06:08] <tjaalton> i mean, not sure if I have vt-d on or not
[06:09] <tjaalton> so, apport doesn't open the lp bug submission page anymore?
[06:10] <tjaalton> no wonder we only have a handful of xorg bugs on raring :)
[09:31] <sil2100> Hello!
[09:31] <sil2100> Is there anyone here who could sponsor a precise unity-2d release for me?
[09:32] <sil2100> It's a re-release of a rejected one, with the offending commit removed
[09:32] <sil2100> Since this version of unity-2d is already waiting for release over 5 months
[09:55] <xnox> sil2100: I don't see unity-2d in http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ . Where is the source package? =)
[10:10] <sil2100> xnox: in lp:unity-2d ;)
[10:10] <xnox> ah =)
[10:11] <sil2100> xnox: ah, sponsoring bug!
[10:11] <sil2100> There was one for the rejected version, maybe I could re-use that one ;p
[10:12] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/1060262 <- you think I could simply change it back to 'Fix Committed' in Precise?
[12:12] <zykes-> what's the stuff in Contents-<arch>.gz made of ?
[12:13] <cjwatson> it's apt-ftparchive's own format
[12:14] <zykes-> is it required for repositories?
[12:20] <cjwatson> zykes-: no
[12:20] <zykes-> cjwatson: is there a thing that can generate it besides apt-ftparchive ?
[12:20] <zykes-> like python-debian?
[12:21] <cjwatson> Not AFAIK
[12:24] <cjwatson> There are a few parsers around but I don't think any of them are in library form: I can think of apt-file, auto-apt, and http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=webwml/packages.git
[12:35] <zykes-> cjwatson: i'm creating a integration for .deb for Pulp, how does one generate the content stuff ?
[12:35] <cjwatson> apt-ftparchive contents
[12:36] <zykes-> :q
[12:36] <cjwatson> Or it's not that complex, if you have some different needs just do it by hand
[12:36] <menace> reprepro or dpkg-scanpackages perhaps? :)
[12:36] <zykes-> but what info does it use ?
[12:36] <zykes-> reprepo doesn't do it menace ..
[12:36] <cjwatson> dpkg -c
[12:36] <cjwatson> basically.  Please read the source :)
[12:36] <cjwatson> apt/ftparchive/contents.cc
[12:41] <cjwatson> I think it was originally intended just for human consumption / casual grepping and only later retconned into something tools might want to parse properly
[12:42] <cjwatson> so it's not the tidiest of formats
[12:43] <zykes-> darn :O
[13:35] <tjaalton> someone rejected my sssd upload to precise-proposed last friday, without leaving any note on the bugs it was supposed to fix
[13:49] <geser> does somebody know if the "python-config" script is official? can it be used to detect Python configure flags in upstream configure scripts?
[13:51] <jtaylor> why would you need those?
[13:51] <geser> fixing the vim FTBFS in raring
[13:51] <xnox> geser: yes.
[13:52] <geser> vim does some own detection of the Python config dir, include directories and fails now that libpython-dev is multi-arched
[13:52] <jtaylor> that can be done without python-config
[13:52] <jtaylor> get_python_inc(plat_specific=True)
[13:52] <jtaylor> sys.
[13:52] <jtaylor> which is definetely official since 2.4
[13:53] <xnox> python-config, pkg-config, or query plat_specific=True are the 3 ways to get include paths you want.
[13:53] <doko> geser: it's upstream, except for the --configdir option in 2.7
[14:26] <cody-somerville> vanhoof: Happy Birthday! :)
[15:03] <rickspencer3> infinity, do you have a link to the archive probs page for raring?
[15:20] <geser> SpamapS: if you want to review/sponsor bug #1095320 it will fix the vim FTBFS from your last upload
[15:33] <cjwatson> rickspencer3: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/raring_probs.html - that one?
[15:35] <rickspencer3> hey cjwatson that's the one!
[15:35] <rickspencer3> thanks
[15:35] <rickspencer3> and always nice to see beer there :)
[15:36] <rickspencer3> cjwatson, I kind of pair that page with this one:
[15:36] <rickspencer3> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smoke/raring/
[15:36] <rickspencer3> to get a sense of how daily quality is going
[15:36] <rickspencer3> (fwiw)
[15:37]  * cjwatson nods
[16:29] <SpamapS> geser: ACK, looking now
[16:44] <doko> http://wiki.debian.org/Python/MultiArch
[16:46] <micahg> thanks, that's what I was looking for
[16:47] <micahg> doko: are there usertags associated with python multiarch bugs?
[16:50] <doko> micahg, no, not yet. but I would use debian-python@ and multiarch
[16:50] <doko> I think we used that for 3.3
[16:52] <micahg> ok, thanks
[17:27] <hallyn> SpamapS: infinity: could someone pls accept the precise-proposed unapproved upload of qemu-kvm 1.0+noroms-0ubuntu14.6 ?  (sorry to bug you, but im not sure now who it is appropriate to ping)
[17:33] <infinity> hallyn: Looking.
[17:41] <hallyn> (back in awhile)
[17:45] <infinity> hallyn: Accepted (and built).
[17:52] <hallyn> infinity: thanks!  now to finally verify that beast
[18:06] <infinity> geser: Thanks for the vim/python fixes.  Did you forward those to Debian as well?
[18:15] <geser> infinity: I mailed my patch for review to vim's DD
[18:17] <infinity> geser: Yay, thanks.
[18:32] <gotwig> Can I distribute my scope and lenses that I've develop for Ubuntu, for Ubuntu for phones?
[19:28] <RzR> hi
[19:29] <RzR> is there a hidden #ubuntu-mobile place somewhere ?
[19:30] <Pici> If you're looking for somewhere to talk about the announcement, #ubuntu-discuss is the place.
[19:32] <RzR> Pici, thx let's head over there
[19:32] <RzR> btw i already run ubuntu on my phone :)
[20:16] <adam_g> if a package is accepted into, say, quantal-proposed and no branch exists at lp:ubuntu/quantal-proposed/$pkg, how does one get created?
[20:18] <dobey> adam_g: the branch importer magic scripts do it
[20:21] <adam_g> dobey: any common reasons why that would not happen? still waiting on a couple of branches to show up for stuff that was accepted last week
[20:23] <cjwatson> the branch import scripts can be a bit wobbly - TBH I find it best to ignore them for SRUs as the workflow doesn't work all that well there
[20:28] <dobey> cjwatson: seems to work fine for me; at least for raring it will be easier to deal with since everything already has a -proposed
[20:34] <cjwatson> dobey: as a sponsor it's much more of a pain than for dev
[20:34] <dobey> cjwatson: more of a pain if people propose branches, rather than uploading with dput?
[20:34] <sivang> hi all
[20:34] <cjwatson> are they actually working properly for raring?  I'd seen some rumours of brokenness but haven't really looked
[20:35] <cjwatson> dobey: rather than attaching patches
[20:35] <sivang> is ubntu superphone open source and accepting contributors just like other ubuntu projects?
[20:35] <cjwatson> because then I don't have to faff around with faking the branch status as merged
[20:35] <sivang> I have some deb packaging experience from ancient times..;)
[20:36] <dobey> oh, the middleman case. i suppose that's frustrating no matter what though :)
[20:36]  * sivang hi's some familiar faces, g'evning cjwatson :)
[22:17] <jhansonxi> Does apt assume that mirror:// is http?  Is it possible for mirror:// to be a local file (not require a web server)?
[22:18] <sarnold> jhansonxi: there's some kind of funky cd-rom-based apt lines, those may be more amenable to local file storage (this is a wild guess)
[22:19] <jhansonxi> sarnold: I'm specifically referring to automatic mirror fail-over: http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/the-apt-mirror-method/
[22:20] <jhansonxi> I'm trying to come up with a way to deal with potential connectivity problems with the server the mirror list is located on.
[22:21] <jhansonxi> Also for repos that don't have a mirror list (like getdeb.net which has been down for a month).
[22:21] <sarnold> jhansonxi: oh, that's more clever than I expected. :)
[22:57] <hallyn> slangasek: adam_g is running into bug 1092715.  i'm tempted to submit an emergency revert for q and r to go back to manually fixing up the /dev/kvm perms
[22:57] <hallyn> marked it confirmed based on adam_g's sighting
[22:58] <slangasek> hallyn: why does it need an emergency revert?  I thought the previous version of the package didn't work either?
[22:58] <slangasek> (particularly the quantal one)
[22:58] <hallyn> the original version didn't.  the previous version did (which manually did setfacl)
[22:59] <slangasek> I don't believe there was a previous SRUed version
[22:59] <hallyn> previous version pushed to -proposed (which you rejected) that is :0
[22:59] <hallyn> right
[22:59] <slangasek> right, so there's no need for an "emergency revert" AFAICS
[22:59] <hallyn> cool :)
[23:00] <slangasek> however, if you want to submit a (calm, non-emergency :) SRU that does the fix-up by hand like you originally proposed, I think that's acceptable here while we figure out what's wrong with udevadm.
[23:01] <hallyn> adam_g: ^ is that needed for you?  SRu's are slow enough I'd just as soon spend my time looking into the udevamd bug...
[23:26] <adam_g> hallyn: yea. i'm trying to get verification done for some other SRUs that are consumers of qemu. i can work around it in the meantime, assuming thats kosher wrt verification process.
[23:30] <slangasek> adam_g: will those consumers break at install time without the qemu fix, or will they just have the same problem that qemu itself does (have to reboot or manually apply acl to use it)?
[23:34] <adam_g> slangasek: the latter
[23:52] <slangasek> adam_g: in that case I think it's fine to apply whatever workaround is needed during the verification


[15:16] <k1l_> already gone with idoru
[15:16] <ikonia> yup
[16:45] <Basketball> i am so sorry
[16:45] <ikonia> for what ?
[16:45] <Basketball> i didnt know it was that long o though 3 lines max
[16:45] <bazhang> use a pastebin
[16:45] <Basketball> ok i am honestly really sorry
[16:45] <ikonia> oh you spammed
[16:45] <ikonia> don't worry accidents happen
[16:46] <Basketball> k1l_,  i am sorry
[16:46] <ikonia> don't worry, accidents happen
[16:46] <ikonia> kind of you to say sorry, no big deal though
[16:47] <Basketball> ok i dont want to break another rule so bye
[18:28] <Tm_T> why that user ring my bad bells
[20:00] <elky> Tm_T: basketball?
[20:00] <elky> because it's harris.
[20:00] <rww> don't think he's been much of a problem recently, since repeated applications of cluebat


[05:11] <brobostigon> morning
[05:18] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[05:19] <brobostigon> \o
[06:13] <knightwise> Good morning everyoone
[06:44] <brobostigon> morning


[17:26] <rharper> smoser: blackboxsw: hrm, so openstack metadata service does include mode network configuration information ('networkdata') top level metadata key  (this is on octal IIUC)
[17:34] <smoser> ?
[17:34] <smoser> "mode network configuration" ?
[17:34] <smoser> rharper, ?
[17:34] <rharper> the openstack metadata service includes a top-level 'networkdata' dict, which is what we see in network_data.json (in configdrive)
[17:35] <rharper> I'd not seen that before
[17:35] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25515784/
[17:36] <smoser> that is from network_data.json ?
[17:36] <smoser> as in
[17:36] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25515791/
[17:36] <smoser> ?
[17:37] <smoser> basically config drive contains what metadata service contains.
[17:37] <rharper> that's from using DataSourceOpenStack.py:read_metadata_service()
[17:37] <rharper> then that's expected
[17:37] <smoser> so yes, we knew taht was there.
[17:37] <rharper> I didn't
[17:37]  * rharper catches up
[17:38] <rharper> why do we do fallback config on metadata service instead of reading 'networkdata' like we do with network_data.json in ConfigDrive ?
[17:38] <rharper> just haven't gotten around to implementing?
[17:39] <smoser> we do not yet have a OpenStack datasource (other than ConfigDrive) that runs at local.
[17:39] <rharper> ah, that's right
[17:39] <rharper> it'd need to do the same ec2 style bring up of v4 link local
[17:39] <smoser> we could do that. but handt done it. it'd work the same as ec2, basically guess a nic and dhcp on that.
[17:40] <smoser> i dont know if ipv4 link local works or not
[17:40] <smoser> i kind of assume not. but maybe. i will see if ic an try that quick
[17:40] <rharper> some recent scanning of openstack docs mentioned link local v4 but yeah, let's check
[17:42]  * rharper shakes fist at nova
[17:42] <rharper> interface-attach takes --port-id <instance_id>   , interface-detach takes <port_id> <instance_id>
[17:42]  * rharper SMDH
[17:43] <rharper> wait, <instance_id> <port_id>
[17:43] <rharper> wee
[17:43] <smoser> why would you have to tell detach which instance you want to detach it from
[17:44] <smoser> wierd.
[17:45] <rharper> good news is the mds is updated
[17:45] <rharper> I can see one nic at first, nova interface-attach; curl shows two nics, remove; cur shows one again
[17:45] <smoser> yeah. it is sufficeint to implement hotplug
[17:45] <rharper> yeah
[17:45] <rharper> default is DHCP though
[17:46] <smoser> default ?
[17:46] <rharper> no params on attach port
[17:46] <rharper> I guess maybe I need to configure the port or something else
[17:46] <rharper> still playing
[17:46] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25515784/  in there you can see both have 'ipv4_dhcp' as the type
[21:56]  * powersj finishes new bug triage for the day
[21:56] <powersj> down from 101 -> 91 bugs


[20:08] <bilel> hey everyone :)
[21:22] <elacheche> Hello bilel :) Which bilel you are? x)
[21:24] <elacheche> Oh! Hello bilel ! Sorry, I thought I'm in #ubuntu-tn we had many bilel's in there.. How are you doing? welcome to #ubuntu-africa
[21:24] <bilel> i am mkadmi bilel friend of naiel ! and member ISETchux ! i am how assit with you in your workshop in SFD with  !
[21:25] <bilel> naiel
[21:25] <elacheche> Oh! Welcome x) See, I know you :p I have the right to ask whcih one you are :p
[21:25] <elacheche> nzoueidi: :p
[21:26] <bilel> we eat to gether fish too !
[21:26] <bilel> :p
[21:31] <nzoueidi> hahaha :D glad to see arround again bilel :D
[21:32] <bilel> hahahahahah... thanx nzoueidi
[21:32] <bilel> home sweet home
[21:36] <Bilel_> It's me again
[21:36] <Bilel_> Hihihihihi....
[21:36] <Bilel_> Naiel were is querty ??
[21:37] <nzoueidi> she is sleeping x) :p
[21:37] <nzoueidi> brb, I finish my dinner :D
[21:37] <nzoueidi> o/
[21:38] <Bilel_> :p hhhhhh..
[21:41] <Bilel_> One day ! I will make azerty and bring here with me here
[21:44] <elacheche> Bilel_: you should registre your nickname, so we will know who you are when oyu join us.. And you should use an autologin desktop irc client as wel :p
[21:45] <Bilel_> I am registered and I get cloack but I forget my password :(
[21:46] <Bilel_> I will registered again
[21:49] <elacheche> no Bilel_
[21:49] <elacheche> just reset your password
[21:50] <elacheche> Bilel_: NickServ is your friend ;)
[21:50] <Bilel_> But I forget my nick name too
[21:51] <elacheche> You still remeber the mail @ ?
[21:51] <Bilel_> Oh! Yes I guess
[21:51] <elacheche> Let's go to #freenode
[21:51] <Bilel_> Okay ! I will try to reset my password
[21:51] <Bilel_> ;)
[21:51] <Bilel_> Thanx
[21:52] <Bilel_> Okay let's go


[02:23] <InHisName> Good Evening knightzero and any else awake
[03:23] <Sadin> i am awake :P
[03:23] <Sadin> and wimpy wimpy ryan howard my god
[03:24] <Sadin> no offence phillies NO OFFENCE
[03:36] <InHisName> who knows command line for upgrading ubuntu from 10.10 to 11.04 ?
[03:36] <InHisName> I looked in man page for apt-get but it wasn't obvious
[03:38] <Sadin> InHisName it should propt you to upgrade when you run system update application
[03:39] <InHisName> It did not.
[03:39] <InHisName> running again says 0 0 0 for all parts.
[03:39] <Sadin> InHisName there is a way through the system update in in some extra option thing
[03:40] <InHisName> sudo apt-get update was the command that did not do it
[03:40] <Sadin> use the GUI system update
[03:40] <Sadin> theres an option some where im looking for where i saw it one sec
[03:40] <InHisName> I'll check for sub options.   NO gui on my ubuntu server
[03:40] <Sadin> oh your talking server
[03:41] <Sadin> my mistake
[03:42]  * pleia2 waits for airplane to philly
[03:42] <InHisName> sorry should have said server earlier
[03:42] <InHisName> Its a little late for plane to philly tonight, pleia2
[03:42] <pleia2> InHisName: it's a redeye
[03:43] <Sadin> pleia2 InHisName wish i could come to release party :(
[03:43] <InHisName> I didn't know they still did redeyes any more
[03:44] <pleia2> I go sleepies on the plane, wake up in philly
[03:44] <pleia2> oh yes, I almost always take them when going to philly
[03:44] <InHisName> Prolly nicest price too
[03:44] <pleia2> because I hate sleep
[03:44] <pleia2> heh
[03:45] <InHisName> what's it do... arrive 6am our time ?
[03:45] <pleia2> [Dyeah, 6:20
[03:46] <InHisName> One of the first ones at a still resonably quiet airport that early.
[03:47] <InHisName> No irc'ing across the country?
[03:47] <pleia2> the flight has wifi, but I have a busy day tomorrow so I should sleep
[03:48] <InHisName> Do they charge extra $$$ for use of wifi?
[03:48] <pleia2> yeah, but we bought a monthly pass this month (lots of flying)
[03:48] <InHisName> i.c.
[03:49] <InHisName> pleia2: do you know the terminal command to upgrade server from 10.10 to 11.04 ?    I tried apt-get update / upgrade but not change in linux versions in uname -a
[03:50] <InHisName> s/not/no/
[03:50] <pleia2> do-release-upgrade
[03:50] <pleia2> or something
[03:51] <InHisName> inside apt-get ?
[03:51] <pleia2> nt on good wifi at the moment, can't look at the exact command
[03:51] <pleia2> no, ubuntu hasn't used apt-get for release upgrades in ages
[03:51] <pleia2> (you can, but at our own risk)
[03:52] <InHisName> try     man -k release-upgrade       or just one word ?
[03:52] <InHisName> should I
[03:53] <pleia2> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/upgrade
[03:54] <InHisName> I can do that on commandline ?
[03:54] <pleia2> yes, see the server instructions
[03:54] <pleia2> on that page
[03:54] <InHisName> ok
[03:54] <pleia2> ok, time to leave the lounge and find a comfy spot out with all the muggles
[03:55] <pleia2> (they are closing)
[03:55] <InHisName> short and sweet, thanks pleia2
[04:02] <pleia2> well, at least the wifi out here is good :)
[04:04] <pleia2> bah, famous last words
[04:07] <InHisName> Well I am on road to upgrading, all seems smooth at the start......
[04:55] <andrew> morning
[05:24] <InHisName> morning andrew
[09:33] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:33] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:33] <rmg51> the real morning, not one of those fake andrew mornings ;-)
[12:07] <InHisName> morning andrew, JonathanD, and rmg51  and anyone else who happens to be awake.
[12:07] <jedijf> InHisName: Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it
[12:07] <InHisName> pleia2:  did you land and connect to wifi yet ?
[12:08] <InHisName> I did twice now.   Aparently was only at 10.04.   Now at 11.04
[12:08] <jedijf> InHisName: it's a command itself type do<tab><tab>
[12:12] <InHisName> pleia2 helped me with a web link with instructions to install a couple of things and edit a prompt setting before the DO command would work.  It worked great after that.  2wice.
[12:12] <InHisName> jedijf: actually that was comment for you to see. ^
[12:15] <jedijf> awesome, excellent practice for her talk at North
[16:21] <GeekyAdam> afternoon
[16:26] <GeekyAdam> waltman: good point
[16:26] <JonathanD> To the store!
[16:38] <Sidewinder1> Guess everyone is outside, enjoying this glorious whether; so what the heck am I doin' in front of this screen?
[16:52] <GeekyAdam> the same thing I'm doing.
[16:58] <Sidewinder1> :D
[16:58] <GeekyAdam> anyone have experience running teamspeak-server in ubuntu server?
[19:07] <andrew> morning
[19:08] <andrew> morning rmg51 & InHisName
[19:08] <andrew> pleia2: Welcome $home-1
[19:11] <waltman> it's home^ :)
[19:11] <rmg51> afternoon andrew


[21:50] <WVUSax> i'm having trouble with drivers for my pchdtv-5500 card and mythbuntu. can someone here help?
[21:52] <WVUSax> when i try to install the drivers with >sudo make i get this output
[21:53] <WVUSax> chris@PVR:~/Desktop/v4l-dvb$ sudo make
[21:53] <WVUSax> make -C /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l
[21:53] <WVUSax> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l'
[21:53] <WVUSax> scripts/make_makefile.pl
[21:53] <WVUSax> creating symbolic links...
[21:53] <WVUSax> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.31-17-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l  modules
[21:53] <WVUSax> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.31-17-generic'
[21:53] <WVUSax>   CC [M]  /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.o
[21:53] <WVUSax> In file included from /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.c:10:
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-common.h:11:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory
[21:53] <WVUSax> In file included from /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/dmxdev.h:40,
[21:53] <WVUSax>                  from /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-common.h:20,
[21:53] <WVUSax>                  from /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.c:10:
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/dvbdev.h:30:35: error: linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h: No such file or directory
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.c: In function 'flexcop_pci_irq_check_work':
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.c:119: warning: passing argument 1 of 'schedule_delayed_work' from incompatible pointer type
[21:53] <WVUSax> include/linux/workqueue.h:213: note: expected 'struct delayed_work *' but argument is of type 'struct work_struct *'
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.c: In function 'flexcop_pci_stream_control':
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.c:222: warning: passing argument 1 of 'schedule_delayed_work' from incompatible pointer type
[21:53] <WVUSax> include/linux/workqueue.h:213: note: expected 'struct delayed_work *' but argument is of type 'struct work_struct *'
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.c:225: warning: passing argument 1 of 'cancel_delayed_work' from incompatible pointer type
[21:53] <WVUSax> include/linux/workqueue.h:233: note: expected 'struct delayed_work *' but argument is of type 'struct work_struct *'
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.c: In function 'flexcop_pci_init':
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chris/Desktop/v4l-dvb/v4l/flexcop-pci.c:300: error: 'SA_SHIRQ' undeclared (first use in this function)
[21:53] <WVUSax> /home/chri
[21:59] <tgm4883> WVUSax, i'm headed out, but what drivers are you trying to install for the 5500?
[22:00] <tgm4883> also, Don't post that to this channel. Post it to a pastebin instead
[22:00] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[22:00] <Zinn> when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[22:00] <WVUSax> i downloaded the latest driver package from pchdtv
[22:00] <WVUSax> thanks, didnt know that
[22:00] <tgm4883> WVUSax, what does the latest driver do for you?
[22:00] <WVUSax> dated 5/22/06
[22:01] <tgm4883> hmm
[22:01] <WVUSax>  i get the error message i pasted above
[22:01] <WVUSax> !pastebin
[22:01] <Zinn> when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[22:01] <tgm4883> ok, why are you trying to compile the driver?
[22:01] <tgm4883> it should work out of the box in Ubuntu 9.10
[22:01] <tgm4883> probably in everything that is 8.04 and later
[22:01] <WVUSax> my card appears as a v4l device, but i don't see it as a dvb device
[22:02] <tgm4883> i'd have to see how mine is set up as, but it should work OOTB
[22:02] <WVUSax> thats what i'm running 9.10
[22:02] <WVUSax> i did have a hauppauge pvr-150 when i installed mythbuntu
[22:03] <WVUSax> would it install differently if i had the 5500 in there to begin with?
[22:03] <tgm4883> it shouldn't
[22:03] <tgm4883> mine is setup as a DVB device
[22:04] <WVUSax> if the drivers were installed right, should i have a /dev/dvb device?
[22:05] <tgm4883> something like /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0
[22:05] <tgm4883> probably /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[22:05] <WVUSax> i don't have any /dev/dvb device which is why i assumed there was a driver issue
[22:06] <tgm4883> hmm
[22:06] <tgm4883> maybe a firmware issue. Not sure
[22:06] <WVUSax> is there a step i need to do to install the firmware?
[22:07] <tgm4883> sorry no, that is for the 2000 and 3000 only
[22:08] <tgm4883> I wonder if you need to load the kernel module
[22:08] <tgm4883> try a
[22:08] <WVUSax> lspci -v gives me http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m44b70316
[22:08] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] mythbuntu private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool
[22:09] <tgm4883> yea it looks like it's loaded
[22:09] <WVUSax> sorry, i don't understand
[22:10] <tgm4883> whats the output of lsmod | grep cx
[22:11] <WVUSax> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m7971e3a9
[22:11] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] mythbuntu private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool
[22:13] <tgm4883> try this
[22:13] <tgm4883> modprobe cx88_dvb
[22:13] <tgm4883> it might be cx88-dvb
[22:14] <WVUSax> cx88_dvb: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/me077ae5
[22:14] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] mythbuntu private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool
[22:15] <tgm4883> you have to sudo that
[22:15] <tgm4883> sudo modprobe cx88_dvb
[22:16] <WVUSax> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m2e2577a5
[22:16] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] mythbuntu private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool
[22:17] <tgm4883> do you have this directory?
[22:17] <tgm4883>  /lib/modules/2.6.31-17-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/
[22:18] <WVUSax> yes
[22:18] <tgm4883> Sorry I have to run though. You could wait around for someone else to try and help you, or you could try reinstalling without the pvr-150 in there. I thought I had my pvr-500 in there when I had my 5500 in there, but I also vaguely remember there being a conflict with those two cards, so i'm not sure
[22:18] <tgm4883> good luck
[22:19] <WVUSax> thanks for your help
[22:59] <cva> I have on frontend that since upgrading to karmic will not show video while trying to watch a recorded show. The audio will play, but the screen never leaves countdown image. Videos play fine with mplayer. http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m60294773
[22:59] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] mythbuntu private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool
[22:59] <cva> I've looked through the logs and don't not see any glaring failures.
[23:13] <hipitihop> I recently enabled autobuild and now see updates quite frequently including mythtv-database. Is it generaly safe to update or is there some chance existing database could be broken and I lose existing recordings and such
[23:14] <mythtv_guy> cva - DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, as well as permissions on the rtc device.  Does your userid have all the right groups and permissions.  Do those files exist?
[23:15] <cva> that device doesn't exist
[23:15] <mythtv_guy> but i suspect it's the video profile that your using - I've had problems with that before.. under the playback section
[23:16] <mythtv_guy> VDP: GetFilteredDeint(yadifdeint) : xv-blit -> 'yadifdeint'
[23:16] <mythtv_guy> try a couple of different profiles .. cpu-- , normal, cpu++   I always seem to need to pick the correct one after a fresh install
[23:16] <cva> I've tried a few of the profiles, cpu+, ++, --, standard. all with the same issue
[23:17] <hipitihop> what is the recommended cpu setting ? I have an ion 330 setup
[23:18] <cva> I've been fighting and googling this for a few days know. Frustrating as this system has been a frontend for years.
[23:22] <cva> THere may be something to /dev/dri/card0 issue. my xorg.conf had dri disabled.