[08:23] <elfy> anyone about who can help me change e-mail on LP, I get the confirmation in the old account, but nothing turns up in the new one for me to finish the job
[08:25] <wgrant> elfy: are you sure it's not in a spam folder or something like that?
[08:26] <elfy> wgrant: checked that - more than once :)
[08:26] <wgrant> elfy: Can you try again?
[08:26] <wgrant> To verify the address, that is.
[08:26] <wgrant> To try to generate some more logs before we go digging.
[08:26] <elfy> wgrant: yep
[08:27] <elfy> done
[08:27] <elfy> "An e-mail message was sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>"
[08:28] <elfy> received the mail to the 'old' account
[09:07] <wgrant> elfy: It looks like gmx.com has decided to blacklist mx.launchpad.net.
[09:08] <elfy> mmm
[09:08] <elfy> that's fun then :)
[09:09] <Mineo> hi, I'm having trouble resetting my launchpad password - the "forgot password" form claims there's no account associated with the email address I'm entering, but that's the address I've received launchpad emails on for about a year now...
[09:09] <elfy> wgrant: I'll see if I can get some sense from them then - thanks for looking for me
[09:10] <Mineo> is there something that can be done about that or can I consider the account lost?:/
[09:10] <wgrant> elfy: We're not on any common blacklists, so I wonder if they've blocked us directly.
[09:10] <wgrant> elfy: I'd talk to your provider.
[09:11] <elfy> it's just a free account
[09:11] <wgrant> <IP_ADDRESS> aka. mx.launchpad.net aka. indium.canonical.com is the host in question.
[09:11] <wgrant> Mineo: What's the Launchpad username?
[09:12] <elfy> wgrant: thanks
[09:12] <Mineo> https://launchpad.net/~themineo
[09:18] <wgrant> Mineo: Your Ubuntu One login email address doesn't necessarily match your Launchpad preferred address. I can't check your U1 details right now, but there are other addresses on that Launchpad account that might be your U1 address.
[09:20] <Mineo> hm, ok
[09:24] <elfy> wgrant: must be a new thing - https://launchpad.net/~davedawson has a gmx address
[09:24] <Mineo> oh, yes, entering an old address that I no longer have the password for in the reset password form works... I guess that means there's no way to get a new password for that account :(
[09:28] <wgrant> elfy: Yes, we have previously had fine deliverability to at least gmx.de
[09:28] <wgrant> gmx.co.uk I don't know about.
[09:29] <elfy> right
[09:29] <wgrant> Mineo: If you use the support link at the bottom of the login page, U1 support can probably sort it out as long as you have access to some of the addresses on the associated Launchpad account.
[09:34] <Mineo> wait, trying an old password with the old email address actually worked! thanks for the hint with the old address, wgrant!
[09:35] <wgrant> Mineo: Ah, excellent.
[09:37] <Mineo> turns out the problem was exactly as you described - preferred lp address was set to my new one, but the preferred u1 address was still using the old one
[09:40] <wgrant> You can use any U1 address to log in or recover your password, fwiw.
[09:40] <wgrant> Doesn't necessarily need to be preferred.
[09:40] <Mineo> ah
[09:40] <elfy> wgrant: seems I have the same issue with gmx.com
[09:41] <Mineo> yeah, but the only other address in u1 was an @googlemail.com one (google had to use those in germany for a long time for legal reasons) and I was only trying @gmail.com :P
[09:41] <wgrant> Ahh
[10:13] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: Thanks.
[15:38] <kwisatzh4der4ch> Hello. I'm uploading a package to my PPA using dput-ng from Debian Sid. The signature is good, the target (vivid) also and dput-ng does not report any error, but I do not receive any email for launchpad. How can I find what's wrong ?
[15:38] <teward> jeromerobert: is your GPG uploaded to the Ubuntu key servers?  Is it also linked to your Launchpad profile?
[15:41] <jeromerobert> No sure what you mean by "linked" but it appear under "OpenPGP keys" on my launchpad profile and as "Your active keys" on the "+editpgpkeys" web page.
[15:42] <jeromerobert> hum the one on keyserver.ubuntu.com is expired.
[15:43] <jeromerobert> I guess that's the reason. Sorry for the noise.
[15:44] <teward> jeromerobert: yeah make sure the pgp key isn't expired (that's a good start point xD)
[15:44] <teward> if it still has issues feel free to come back :)
[15:44] <jeromerobert> teward, how can I update it ? Should I remove it and upload it again ?
[15:45] <jeromerobert> importing a key with an existing finger print does not seems to be allowed
[15:46] <teward> jeromerobert: generate a new key and upload.  expired keys are expired;.
[15:51] <teward> (remember to change the key you use to sign too...)
[15:56] <jeromerobert> that's all good. thanks
[16:20] <mapreri> well, you actually can change the expire date of an expired key...
[16:25] <teward> mapreri: does Launchpad work with that well though?  It seems like maybe they can't update the key
[16:25] <teward> jeromerobert: ^
[16:25] <cjwatson> jeromerobert: Did you actually try sending the update to the keyserver?
[16:25] <jeromerobert> I was able to update the key from keyserver.ubuntu.com
[16:25] <mapreri> teward: i don't see why it shouldn't
[16:26] <cjwatson> jeromerobert: It sounds like you maybe just tried to add it in the Launchpad UI, which indeed won't work but also isn't necessary.
[16:26] <jeromerobert> Yes, that's what I understood after updating the key from the keyserver
[16:29] <cjwatson> teward: Launchpad will fetch it from the keyserver afresh each time (to a first approximation, anyway, certainly as far as uploads are concerned), so if you can update it on the keyserver then that's sufficient.
[16:30] <teward> cjwatson: ahh, ok.


[00:45] <webchat88> hello everyone
[00:46] <webchat88> as a newbie i noticed that my other linux distro partition is mounted on username/media
[00:46] <webchat88> so i have access to my other distro user files
[00:47] <webchat88> is it possible to hide those files when i boot on the other distro to avoid information leek
[00:52] <sarnold> webchat88: are those other filesystems listed in your /etc/fstab?
[00:54] <webchat88> yes
[00:54] <sarnold> webchat88: if you add 'noauto' to the options, then they shouldn't be mounted at boot
[00:55] <webchat88> ex my other linux partition root is on sda/1
[00:55] <webchat88> now with an other distro im on sda/2
[00:56] <webchat88> ok but someone else can still mount that sda1 and check inside
[00:56] <webchat88> right?
[00:56] <sarnold> well, that gets a bit complicated.. I don't know exactly how the desktop environment decides what to let users mount
[00:57] <webchat88> i just read that
[00:57] <webchat88> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/98149/why-can-i-access-all-my-files-without-a-password-when-booting-with-a-chakra-linu
[00:57] <sarnold> if you want to protect against a malicious person with a boot disk, then you need to encrypt your filesystems, instead
[00:58] <webchat88> it seems that you cannot really secure your partition if anyone have physically access to yout machine
[01:33] <symb0l> join #postgresql
[02:31] <noarb> I've had this issue with using pcscd libraries with java applications, and where they are looking for the `.so`: https://stackoverflow.com/q/12376257 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7/+bug/898689
[02:33] <noarb> I've been using `-Dsun.security.smartcardio.library=/usr/lib64/libpcsclite.so.1`, that works just fine. But like some answers on that SO question I'd just like to set it permanently, especially since it does seem to be a bug. Where is the correct place to symlink the library, or would it be better to use /etc/profile with _JAVA_OPTIONS ?
[02:34] <noarb> whoops... I actually use "-Dsun.security.smartcardio.library=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcsclite.so.1"
[02:37] <sarnold> noarb: it'd probably be worth a bug report
[02:37] <sarnold> noarb: this answer seems plausible enough as a workaround https://stackoverflow.com/a/32769334/377270
[02:47] <FuZi0N> How can I update to the latest version of curl on Ubuntu 18.04? I tried doing "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" but this is still giving me an older version of curl. Is there a special mirror I can add to my sources.list??
[03:14] <noarb> sarnold: does it matter where I run that? Or should I use an absolute path to make it available to all system users?
[03:21] <noarb> security related problem with ubuntu-bug?
[03:48] <noarb> does that command imply that its run in the homedir and then in the PATH? Reading https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hirsute/man1/ln.1.html a little harder now
[03:54] <zph1nx> Is there any known issue with booting a efi installed 20.04 system via the ovmf bios? trying to automate an installation via packer, but the bios refuses to boot the installation on the disk
[04:10] <noarb> I tried `sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcsclite.so.1 /usr/lib/libpcsclite.so` on my system, that didn't work
[04:47] <alkisg> noarb: I don't know, but this might help: strace -fe trace=file your-command-here 2>&1 | grep lipbcsclite
[04:47] <alkisg> It will show which files (paths) are searched by your-command that contain that word in its filename
[04:49] <alkisg> E.g. run a `strace -fe trace=file ls` to see what I'm talking about...
[05:02] <KBar> try info ln
[05:03] <KBar> a more comprehensive documentation
[06:30] <beuys> In Ubuntu Firefox, when I scroll via the touchpad, it does not scroll small distances. It waits a bit until I scrolled a certain distance and then scrolls all that. Is there a way to change that?
[06:49] <ravan> beuys, Have you tried the setting of the trackpad ? the scrolling distance and the coasting settings should be able to fix that....
[06:50] <beuys> ravan: It only happens in Firefox.
[06:50] <beuys> Setting this one to false seems to make things better: mousewheel.system_scroll_override.enabled
[06:50] <beuys> But it still seems to snap to certain positions. I wonder why it doesnt just behave like dragging the scroll bar.
[06:52] <Kel> beuys: If you're feeling adventurous, you can try some of these: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/kojli8/actually_smooth_scrolling_for_firefox_now/
[06:53] <beuys> Kel: I fiddled with those, but they do not seem to address the issue.
[06:53] <beuys> This works: MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 firefox
[06:54] <beuys> I wonder if it is possible to do it in about:config
[07:00] <bencc1__> system load on my machine is close to 100% but CPU is 40% idle (3/8 hyperthreads)
[07:00] <bencc1__> how is this possible?
[07:01] <beuys> bencc1__: Define "system load".
[07:01] <bencc1__> cat /proc/loadavg
[07:01] <bencc1__> 7.16 7.34 7.93 8/11036 1198134
[07:02] <beuys> bencc1__: Which of those 5 values do you refer to when you say "close to 100%"?
[07:02] <ravan> beuys, apz.overscroll.min_pan_distance_ratio	1.0 this setting looks relevant....
[07:03] <ravan> apz.overscroll.stop_distance_threshold
[07:03] <ravan> and
[07:03] <ravan> apz.overscroll.stop_velocity_threshold
[07:03] <beuys> ravan: apz.overscroll.min_pan_distance_ratio seems to have no impact
[07:04] <ravan> when i increase these in the scroll speed becomes latent and slow...
[07:04] <ravan> try the apz.overscroll.stop_distance_threshold
[07:04] <bencc1__> beuys: I have 8 vCPUs (hyperthreads). 7.93/8 is close to 100% load
[07:05] <bencc1__> and I'm trying to understand why I don't see this reflected in idle cpu
[07:05] <beuys> bencc1__: Those numbers do not mean what you think. They can go arbitrarely high.
[07:06] <pasiz> system load reflects pipeline queue size
[07:07] <ravan> beuys, try searching "scroll" in the about:config.... it outlines all scroll related parameters.....
[07:09] <beuys> ravan: Hmm.. yeah, a lot of work.
[07:09] <pasiz> bencc1__: https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/post/cpu-utilization-of-multi-threaded-architectures-explained
[07:09] <bencc1__> beuys: so what does system load means? should I always ignore it
[07:10] <Guest29> hello guys
[07:10] <pasiz> system load is queue size. it doesn't count anything else.
[07:10] <pasiz> and system load can be over 1 process / core in queue, system still usable
[07:11] <bencc1__> does system load says anything? should I be aware of that?
[07:11] <ravan> beuys, let me know if something works.... i will also get a new understanding ....
[07:12] <beuys> bencc1__: You would have to interpret the value in context. Asking "Can I ignore the color red?" does not mean much. On a traffic light, you should not ignore it. But roses being red is normal.
[07:12] <beuys> bencc1__: Are you asking in the context of a web server?
[07:13] <Guest29> i have upgraded to ubuntu 21.10 beta and after it i see my scroll in touchpad is so fast and i cant see my toucpad in xinput list i just have it in /proc/bus/input/devices as Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
[07:13] <beuys> ravan: Ok, but I will not be able to fiddle with it right away.
[07:13] <pasiz> do you see iowait or just bare load on 8
[07:13] <Guest29> how can i set a value for my speed in scroll in touchpad
[07:14] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | Guest29
[07:17] <ravan> beuys, take your time......
[07:19] <beuys> At the moment I am trying to figure out why my .bashrc gets executed on system startup.
[07:20] <beuys> Maybe I should put a test and return if it is not run interactively.
[07:20] <pasiz> bashrc is executed on login
[07:20] <pasiz> if bash is default hell
[07:20] <pasiz> shell even
[07:21] <beuys> Ok.. I will put a test for interactive and return if it is not.
[07:21] <pasiz> but user directory .bashrc are not run by system
[07:21] <beuys> pasiz: "user directory"?
[07:22] <pasiz> beuys: yes, user home directory
[07:22] <beuys> pasiz: Do you count /root/ as a user home too?
[07:22] <pasiz> like ~/.bashrc
[07:22] <pasiz> yes it is
[07:22] <beuys> Well, it seems to get executed.
[07:22] <beuys> I think even before login.
[07:23] <beuys> I have put a test for interactive. Will reboot now ...
[07:23] <pasiz> it get sourced when root runs something with bash
[07:26] <beuys> Hello again!
[07:26] <pasiz> yes
[07:26] <beuys> Did we just talk here?
[07:26] <pasiz> yes
[07:26] <beuys> Nice.
[07:26] <beuys> The test seems to work.
[07:26] <pasiz> so how about the non interactive bashrc
[07:26] <beuys> pasiz: How do you mean?
[07:27] <pasiz> is it executed before login or not
[07:27] <beuys> pasiz: I am not sure what you mean. Let me explain. I have these two lines in my bashrc:
[07:27] <beuys> bind 'Tab: menu-complete'
[07:27] <beuys> bind 'set completion-ignore-case on'
[07:28] <beuys> And when I boot, I get an alert that they cannot be executed.
[07:28] <pasiz> your bashrc should execute only if shell is interactive
[07:28] <beuys> So now I added this on top of my .bashrc and it fixed it:
[07:28] <beuys> case $- in
[07:28] <beuys>     *i*) ;;
[07:28] <beuys>       *) return;;
[07:28] <beuys> esac
[07:28] <pasiz> debian and ubuntu defaults to bashrc that begins with interactive test
[07:29] <beuys> pasiz: Yes, they bring such a ~/.bashrc on a fresh install. But I am using my own home dirs.
[07:30] <beuys> Where would I put a script that I *want* to be executed upon boot?
[07:34] <beuys> I wonder if this one liner is better: [ -z "$PS1" ] && return
[07:35] <bencc1__> pasiz: iowait is low
[07:36] <beuys> Does anybody know where to put a script that should be run on boot?
[07:37] <bencc1__> beuys: you ca create a systemd service that runs the script
[07:38] <beuys> bencc1__: No easier way?
[07:38] <bencc1__> sorry. don't know
[07:38] <bencc1__> cloud servers sometimes have cloud-init
[07:42] <KBar>        When an interactive shell that is not a login shell  is  started,  bash
[07:42] <KBar>        reads  and  executes  commands  from /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc, if
[07:42] <KBar>        these files exist.  This may be inhibited by using the  --norc  option.
[07:42] <KBar> per bash(1) manual page
[07:43] <KBar> beuys you just source it
[07:43] <KBar> source path/to/file
[07:43] <beuys> KBar: Source it from where?
[07:43] <KBar> from the shell itself
[07:43] <KBar> or backup the bashrc file
[07:44] <KBar> and write it from scratch
[07:44] <beuys> KBar: Which shell? I want to run something on boot. After I turn on the computer. Before I am in a shell.
[07:44] <KBar> for that you will have to configure grub
[07:45] <beuys> Naahh. Not that early :)
[07:45] <beuys> Preferably just before x starts.
[07:46] <KBar> init
[07:46] <KBar> you need to configure init
[07:46] <beuys> How?
[07:49] <KBar> /etc/init.d
[07:49] <KBar> plenty of examples in that directory
[07:50] <KBar> depends on what you want to achieve
[07:51] <KBar> or as bencc1__ already said: create a systemd service
[07:52] <KBar> unit
[07:52] <EriC^^> beuys: put it in crontab with "@reboot /path/to/script"
[07:53] <beuys> KBar: /etc/init.d looks good! I will play around with this approach.
[07:53] <KBar> also, try this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56957/how-to-start-an-application-automatically-on-boot
[07:53] <KBar> specifically this answer: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/523605
[07:54] <KBar> the crontab approach is great too. whatever floats your boat
[07:54] <beuys> Wowdy wow, many options.
[07:56] <beuys> Thanks everyone! I will reboot and try some options!
[08:01] <coke> crontab is on its way out systemd has a scheduler
[08:28] <Ginalo> Hi. I keep running into situations where I'd like to install a deb file, but are cautious that it might be a malicious executable. Is there a way to 'containerize' a deb install? Or is it safe already?
[09:05] <ravage> Untrusted software is never safe
[09:06] <ravage> You can use lxd to install such a Deb file.
 "Hi. I keep running into situatio..." <- You can put it in a virtual machine
[09:07] <graingert[m]> Depends where you found it and how old it is
[09:08] <graingert[m]> Make sure the executable is much older than the sandbox you use to run it
[09:08] <graingert[m]> Can you rebuild it from source?
[09:08] <Guest41> Hi
[09:09] <Guest41> hi
[09:09] <Guest41> i have a conflict between libinput and synaptics
[09:09] <Guest41> what should i do to resolve this conflict
[09:10] <Guest41> synclient
[09:10] <Guest41> Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
[09:11] <Guest41> i see this xinput list
[09:11] <Guest41> WARNING: running xinput against an Xwayland server. See the xinput man page for details.
[09:11] <Guest41> ⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
[09:11] <Guest41> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[09:11] <Guest41> ⎜   ↳ xwayland-pointer:17                     	id=6	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[09:11] <Guest41> ⎜   ↳ xwayland-relative-pointer:17            	id=7	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[09:14] <Guest41> https://pastebin.com/ngRKpy7c
[09:15] <Guest41> anyone here ?
[09:15] <qtext55> hi :/
[09:16] <qtext55> looks like everyone afk/busy/sleeping or ???
[09:17] <qtext55> so... does anyone here like to code in freebasic???
[09:22] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> ubuntu removed nvidia driver itself
[09:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> but it still shows that it is using
[09:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> manually installed one
[09:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> can't render via h264_nvenc
[09:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> 21.04
[09:24] <qtext55> Ronalds_Mazitis_, maybe this will help https://phoenixnap.com/kb/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu
[09:25] <qtext55> i have nvidia card also
[09:25] <Ginalo> graingert[m]: That makes sense. Thanks
[09:25] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I hope 470 will work
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> because I think ubuntu 21.04 comes with 390
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> but
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I installed visual code by damn repository
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I am not sure how that could affect nvidia
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> but microsoft might be sneaky
[09:28] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> ok 470 works
[09:31] <sadbot> Hi i need help , apparently there is a bug in blender ,i guess cuda don't detect after wake from sleep ,i guess it's nvidia  doing ,i found a arch forum and found a solution ,that i need implement systemd service that will use new nvidea suspend method. But...
[09:31] <sadbot> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/440.59/README/powermanagement.html
[09:32] <sadbot> But ,nooo, these samples don't exist in my system '/usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/samples' ,😔
[09:32] <sadbot> Pls ,sombody can provide those systemd service file ?
[09:46] <sadbot> Anyone here , c'mon
[09:47] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> hey how do I make files dropping to application from nautilus to panel
[09:47] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I am using 21.04 with gnome
[09:47] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> with panel to dash extension
[09:49] <Ronalds_Mazitis_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it seems like
[09:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I have to drag
[09:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> file
[09:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> from left side down corner to right side down corner
[09:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> to get all windows to drag file into
[09:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> that is stupid
[09:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/
[09:57] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> well that is better than nothing
[09:58] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> alt tab also works
[09:58] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> but had to change config
[11:19] <beuys> So I am trying to understand my new Ubuntu install. When I hit the super key and start typing, applications are suggested. For example when I type "fi" it suggests "firefox", "files" etc. Where is the list of these applications and how can I edit it?
[11:21] <KBar> desktop files
[11:21] <KBar> or
[11:21] <KBar> wait a minute
[11:21] <beuys> Ok
[11:25] <oerheks> there is no list, just a folder with desktop files ( starters)
[11:26] <alive> oh this is interesting.
[11:26] <beuys> oerheks: In /usr/share/applications?
[11:26] <KBar> yep
[11:26] <KBar> its desktop files
[11:26] <oerheks> 2 places, you can place your .desktop file at /usr/share/applications/ or at ~/.local/share/applications/.
[11:26] <KBar> for nautilus
[11:26] <oerheks> 2nd is user based only
[11:26] <beuys> Ok.. let me explore those ...
[11:26] <KBar> aka gnome files
[11:26] <KBar> see this file
[11:27] <KBar> /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop
[11:27] <KBar> snaps are stored somewhere else
[11:27] <KBar> check $XDG_DATA_DIRS
[11:28] <beuys> My /home/user/.local/share/applications/ is empty. Lets see what happens when I put something there ...
[11:28] <KBar> most likely your system has them in /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications
[11:29] <KBar> you dont need to put anything there
[11:29] <KBar> you can just edit the existing .desktop files
[11:29] <beuys> KBar: I want to create a root terminal launcher.
[11:29] <beuys> So when I hit the meta key and type "r" it suggests "root terminal".
[11:30] <KBar> ah okay
[11:30] <KBar> just create another desktop file
[11:31] <KBar> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html
[11:31] <beuys> I thought I'd start by copying the normal terminal desktop file. But where is it? I don't see anything with "term" in the name in /usr/share/applications/.
[11:31] <KBar> org.gnome.Terminal
[11:31] <KBar> try that
[11:31] <beuys> Ah, nice.
[11:31] <KBar> everything related to gnome has that prefix
[11:31] <KBar> conforming to freedesktop specification
[11:32]  * beuys does cp /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Terminal.desktop /home/user/.local/share/applications/
[11:32] <beuys> Lets see what happens when all I change it the name from "Terminal" to "RootTerminal".
[11:33] <oerheks> nothing, i guess
[11:33] <oerheks> there is no root-terminal
[11:33] <KBar> you need to specifi the Exec
[11:33] <KBar> do you see the Exec= field?
[11:33] <beuys> oerheks: i think the name is only cosmetic
[11:33] <beuys> KBar: Yeah
[11:34] <KBar> change that field to whatever you want bash/sh to start with
[11:34] <KBar> and rename the desktop entry
[11:34] <KBar> thats it
[11:35] <beuys> The first step at least workd. When I type "roo" it suggests "RootTerminal" now.
[11:35] <beuys> KBar: There are 3 "Exec=gnome-terminal" lines in that file.
[11:36] <beuys> Maybe I can delete 2 of the 3 sections? There are "[Desktop Entry]", "[Desktop Action new-window]" and "[Desktop Action preferences]".
[11:36] <beuys> Maybe prefixing "gnome-terminal" with "gksu gnome-terminal" will work?
[11:37] <KBar> i mean they're self-explanatory
[11:37] <beuys> Oh, there is no gksu. Hmm..
[11:37] <KBar> new-window is for new windows
[11:37] <oerheks> beuys, no, it does not make terminal loged in as root
[11:37] <KBar> preference opens the preferences dialog
[11:37] <oerheks> anyway, you need to type a password
[11:37] <KBar> exactly
[11:37] <beuys> oerheks: Yes, I will have to type a password when I open it.
[11:38] <beuys> But the question is: What do I put in the Exec line?
[11:38] <KBar> check man gnome-terminal
[11:38] <KBar> what options it supports
[11:38] <beuys> KBar: I don't think its an option of the application as which user it is started.
[11:39] <KBar> ?
[11:39] <alive> The Desktop Actions is for when you right-click the icon on the status bar
[11:39] <KBar> you can start gnome-terminal with lots of options
[11:39] <alive> so there appear extra menu items like "Options" and such
[11:40] <KBar> see if it supplies something that will execute a command or program on launch
[11:40] <beuys> In a terminal one would write "sudo gnome-terminal". But I don't think that is the right choice for the desktop file.
[11:40] <alive> I would suggest setting your launch command to 'gnome-terminal -- sudo -s'
[11:40] <alive> with the dashes and everything
[11:40] <KBar> gnome-terminal -e=sudo
[11:41] <KBar> man gnome-terminal has everything
[11:41] <beuys> alive: I think that would run a root terminal inside a normal terminal?
[11:41] <KBar> dont be lazy
[11:41] <oerheks> weird thinking
[11:41] <alive> beuys: It would start a terminal as the current user and launch the user directly into a sudo shell
[11:41] <beuys> KBar: That would run a root terminal inside a normal terminal.
[11:41] <KBar> no
[11:41] <alive> honestly i would not want to run gnome-terminal itself as root
[11:41] <alive> Unless there is a specific reason you want to
[11:44] <alive> If you want to run gnome-terminal itself as root, you would of course need to install gksudo
[11:45] <beuys> alive: Are you sure there is no way without gksudo?
[11:45] <KBar> you can also create another desktop file, set its name to rootterminal, chown it to root and set-uid
[11:45] <KBar> idk if that works tho
[11:45] <KBar> worth a shot
[11:45] <alive> You could definitely edit your sudoers file to allow yourself passwordless sudo
[11:45] <beuys> KBar: I doubt that.
[11:45] <KBar> of course specifying the Exec=
[11:45] <alive> then you could just set Exec=sudo gnome-terminal
[11:46] <beuys> alive: Hmm... yeah, maybe.
[11:47] <beuys> So far I think installing gksudo would be the best option.
[11:47] <alive> But why do you want to run "gnome-terminal as root" and not "root in gnome-terminal"? Is it some ease of use thing? Because I'm almost at the point where I must insist you are trying to solve a problem by creating a different one.
[11:49] <KBar> you said it
[11:49] <beuys> It seems there is no gksudo in the sources.
[11:50] <alive> You are correct, it seems it was removed with ubuntu 17.10 and no viable alternative exists
[11:50] <alive> there is pkexec
[11:51] <alive> But then I run into the potential problem that I was trying to help you avoid which is: "Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[11:53] <beuys> One approach might be to run "sudo gnome-terminal && exit" in a normal terminal.
[11:53] <beuys> But thats pretty ugly compared to gksudo.
[11:53] <alive> I must say, I really like the root termian .desktop file i made, i'm gonna share it here.
[11:54] <KBar> please do
[11:54] <beuys> Yeah
[11:55] <alive> https://pastebin.com/c3G7Q9LQ
[11:55] <KBar> open pandoras box :D
[11:55] <alive> i put it in ~/.local/share/applications
[11:55] <beuys> alive: Testing it ...
[11:56] <alive> Opens a gnome-terminal and outright asks for sudo password. Once that is provided, it launches the root shell
[11:56] <KBar> in the future try using paste.ubuntu.com
[11:56] <KBar> provided in the topic
[11:56] <alive> do usermod root -s /path/to/your/shell if you don't like the root shell
[11:56] <alive> KBar: sorry
[11:56] <alive> i make that mistake all the time in #nginx too lol
[11:57] <beuys> alive: That does not start a root terminal. It starts a root shell in a use shell in a user terminal.
[11:57] <KBar> alive does gnome-terminal -e=COMMAND produce the same thing?
[11:58] <KBar> to start the terminal you must have eid=root
[11:58] <KBar> terminal as root*
[11:58] <KBar> you cant open root terminal when your euid=1000
[11:59] <beuys> alive: So for example when you start a new terminal via ctrl+n from your terminal, it starts another normal user terminal where you are a user, not root.
[11:59] <alive> Ah now I think I understand the problem
[12:00] <alive> -e=command does not work for me KBar
[12:00] <alive> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/VWdCkw8kQt/
[12:00] <KBar> put sudo or whatever command you want
[12:00] <KBar> instead of command
[12:00] <alive> I just get a deprecation notice :)
[12:01] <alive> GNOME Terminal 3.38.1
[12:01] <beuys> So far, the only way I found to start a root terminal is to open a user terminal and run sudo gnome-terminal; exit
[12:02] <alive> beuys: I think your problem is so foreign to me because of the following factors. 1) I find no issue in spawning 100 terminals and sudo'ing in all of them. 2) I can only work in so many terminals at a time. Specifically 1. 3) I very rarely spend time as root on my own pc. Most of my time is spent writing automation.
[12:08] <beuys> I will use this line for now: Exec=gnome-terminal -e "sudo gnome-terminal &"; exit
[12:08] <beuys> Somewhat ugly but c'est la vie.
[12:09] <alive> That is clever
[12:09] <beuys> Looks like it also works without the final "; exit".
[12:09] <beuys> So this works: Exec=gnome-terminal -e "sudo gnome-terminal &"
[12:15] <beuys> Thanks for all the help alive and KBar!
[12:27] <ubuntuuser123456> is using backports in ubuntu discouraged?
[12:28] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, nah ... but backports has been rather idly for a long time (i think in 20.04 you can count the packages in the backports repo on one hand)
[12:29] <ubuntuuser123456> 2 hands ;)
[12:30] <ubuntuuser123456> sad :/  welp, seems like I have to adjust to building my own then
[12:30] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-August/041587.html
[12:30] <ogra> the team just has been re-vived it seems
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuuser123456: what are you trying to do exactly?
[12:32] <FakePhish26342> what?
[12:32] <VerlorrenLol2634> Hello there.
[12:32] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> anyone running zsh?
[12:32] <JustAnotherCamel> Hi - Does anyone know the difference between https://gist.github.com/jstreeb/8ccffad8d9c95ae2e34c4abfc0dfd6ab and https://gist.github.com/jstreeb/8ccffad8d9c95ae2e34c4abfc0dfd6ab
[12:32] <ubuntuuser123456> lotuspsychje nothing specific. I was just looking at specifically youtube-dl, as that one breaks pretty often
[12:32] <ubuntuuser123456> thanks ogra :)
[12:33] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, use the snap 😉
[12:33] <KBar> NoSuchBugorFeatu this is an Ubuntu-focused channel.
[12:33] <ogra> (it is well maintained and regulary updated)
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> breaks= file a bug?
[12:33] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> KBar: i see, thank you.
[12:33] <FakePhish26342> is this channel for ubuntu questions or questions in general?
[12:33] <JustAnotherCamel> Hi to everyone who wants to take my help
[12:33] <VerlorrenLol2634> so, what do I have to do?
[12:33] <JustAnotherCamel> it is not broken
[12:33] <VerlorrenLol2634> *this channel?
[12:33] <VerlorrenLol2634> *NoSuchBugOrFeatu
[12:34] <KBar> FakePhish26342 Ubuntu support.
[12:34] <ubuntuuser123456> ogra oh didn't know there was a snap for that. still rather new to snaps and flatpaks ;)
[12:34] <ogra> 🙂
[12:35] <ubuntuuser123456> additionally I am rather a fan of debs (as long as I know what it's doing :)  )
[12:35] <VerlorrenLol2634> I'm pretty sure the problem is in the .deb
[12:36] <ubuntuuser123456> VerlorrenLol2634 which problem oO
[12:37] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, the deb is at 2020.03.24-1 ... the snap at 2021.06.06+gita803582 ... so you have the choice at least 🙂
[12:37] <JustAnotherCamel> I get the following error when booting: "cant find a medium containing a live file system". I have the usb mounted, and it says "mounted the iso and extracted it" I've read on the internet to try to "try a previous kernel" so I did. it says it works fine, but then when I boot it goes into grub rescue again, and tells me to "try a previous kernel" or to run the memtest. My computer doesn't seem to be able to
[12:37] <leftyfb> VerlorrenLol2634: please remove all but one of your IRC clients from this channel. This is a support channel, not a place to mess around
[12:37] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> hi
[12:37] <FakePhish26342> My computer seems to not be able to boot up, what should I do?
[12:37] <VerlorrenLol2634> I'm fine there
[12:37] <FakePhish26342> Hello
[12:37] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> how I find which version I have?
[12:38] <KBar> uhm
[12:38] <KBar> whats going on?
[12:38] <KBar> rise of the machines?
[12:39] <leftyfb> !op | can we please remove JustAnotherCamel VerlorrenLol2634 FakePhish26342 and NoSuchBugOrFeatu ? They are the same person spamming the channel with fake "questions" and comments
[12:39] <VerlorrenLol2634> My computer seems to not be able to boot up, what should I do?
[12:39] <FakePhish26342> I have been using windows for a long time now and I have recently decided to use ubuntu
[12:39] <JustAnotherCamel> how to I fix it
[12:39] <FakePhish26342> I don't know
[12:39] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> I can't use the live usb, and the computer won't boot from it
[12:39] <VerlorrenLol2634> Why
[12:39] <JustAnotherCamel> can you explain more to me
[12:39] <ubuntuuser123456> ogra yeah I see that, will think about it.but as I am also looking for podman, buildah, skopeo stuff. i assume not everything can be covered by snap (for now)
[12:39] <leftyfb> TheRedQueen: TY
[12:40] <ubuntuuser123456> ogra yeah I see that, will think about it.but as I am also looking for podman, buildah, skopeo stuff. i assume not everything can be covered by snap (for now)
[12:40] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, well, if it is not, it is really easy (miles easier than deb) to make a snap yourself for any app you need ...
[12:40] <ubuntuuser123456> ahh oops sry doublepost :/
[12:40] <KBar> thanks leftyfb and TheRedQueen
[12:41] <ubuntuuser123456> I will look into it ogra. thanks :)
[12:44] <alive> What just happened
[12:44] <alive> Anyway i just did a deep dive into configuring policykit to allow pkexec of gnome-terminal and did everything google told me to do but couldn't work it out
[12:45] <alive> KBar: if you fancy a try i think that is "the way" to get what beuys wanted
[12:45] <alive> although i would still disagree with him that it /should/ be done
[12:45] <KBar> nah, thanks. i dont like sudoing everything
[12:46] <alive> same
[12:46] <alive> At this point it was just a curiosity
[12:46] <KBar> ill stay away from that practice
[12:47] <krytarik> leftyfb: Btw, hggdh is one of the channel ops and was already handling it, and TheRedQueen is a bot that thankfully finished the job for us.
[12:48] <leftyfb> kyentei: ok, but there was no indication that a human was addressing it, hence the alert
[12:59] <krytarik> leftyfb: Oh no, I mistook yourself for hggdh due to the length of the nicks and them using the same color here and because I saw him fiddling with the council account just at the same time - and the bot did it on itself in fact.
[13:07] <ubuntuuser123456> ogra do you know if there will be a summary or log or something like that for the meeting which happens tomorrow about the backport situation?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:08] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, nope, i dont ... i only saw the thread passing by in my email
[13:09] <ogra> wasnt there a link in one of the mails ?
[13:10] <ubuntuuser123456> ahh you mean the wiki link? will check
[13:10] <ubuntuuser123456> yup found it
[13:10] <KBar> BluesKaj hello and welcome. how can we help you?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> KBar, I'm a regular here, no help needed atm, but thanks for asking
[13:15] <KBar> BluesKaj oops, sorry then. i thought you had questions. :)
[13:16] <KBar> my bad
[13:17] <BluesKaj> KBar, your bad what?
[13:18] <krytarik> Well, I'm not entirely sure blanketly greeting large channels every time one enters it is really needed either - especially when people often just greet and wait for a response to ask the actual question.
[13:22] <KBar> krytarik okay, my bad. ill try to avoid doing this in the future. thanks for the heads up
[13:22] <krytarik> KBar: What no, you were right to ask here.. XD
[13:36] <u0_a343> my kubuntu system now appears to be clunky, slow animations as well as a extensive boot time, how can i troubleshoot this?; cpu temps are ok, hdd disk is fine, RAM doesn't seem to be an issue
[13:38] <KBar> try #kubuntu
[13:39] <KBar> thanks
[13:39] <u0_a343> ok
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> u0_a343: boot times you can check with systemd-analyze blame
[13:40] <u0_a343> i noticed snapd related services takes a lot of time, because I have a lot of snap programs, sadly i couldn't find a way to reduce it
[13:42] <ogra> u0_a343, if you are sure it is snapd please open a thread in the snapd category at forum.snapcraft.io (note though in 99% of the cases it turns out that this is only fllout of a different problem (i.e. broken graphics driver, other services hanging that snapd uses))
[13:47] <u0_a343> i checked snapcraft, people already faced similar issues but none of the solutions worked for my machine
[13:48] <ogra> this is why you should open a new thread and attach all logs you can find 😉
[13:54] <u0_a343> ok, i'll give it a try if everything fails
[15:52] <jpmh> I have a headless server that is merely doing backups for me.  I'm very happy with it.  I would like to be able to make some limited input to it, do not want the bother of ssh etc.  Is there an easy wahy that I can read the input from a keyboard that I plug in to it, /dev/something, etc?
[16:03] <nuala> jpmh: hmm.... I have trouble understanding what you mean by headless. Like even https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole goes right into ssh. Again: assuming you plugin the keyboard. where do you send the input to <fails here to make sense with the headless-restriction>
[16:04] <jpmh> nuala: what I mean is that to set the thig up I did initially use ssh, but now it boots and just runs the scripts that I use for backup with no keyboard, display, etc.  I can ssh in if I need to, but generally I don't
[16:05] <jpmh> nuala: the rest of what you said, I don't understand what you are asking
[16:10] <nuala> so I am unsure if something like a tty-login prompt is even running in the first place (have you connected a monitor to it?). I assume the first step would be to get this running, so something is listening to your keyboard typing
[16:18] <rfm> Well, the way to see if there is a prompt is to ssh in and "ps aux } grep getty"  (getty or agetty is what displays the login prompt on a terminal)
[16:25] <dust> https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.16.0.html time for an update
[16:30] <jpmh> nuala: sorry for the delay - I did not get alerted - yes - if I connect a monitor then it is sitting at login
[16:32] <beuys> Strange, my dock somewhat stopped working. I removed everything from it. I think by right-clicking the icons one after the other and chosing "remove from favorites" or something. Now when I start any program, it does not show up in the dock anymore.
[16:35] <beuys> looks like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1880570
[16:37] <beuys> "JS ERROR: TypeError: firstIcon is undefined" - Classic example of "developer did not check what happens when x becomes 0".
[18:11] <test> what htis
[18:14] <nuala> jpmh: but when you plug in the keyboard it is not working? ssh into it with the keyboard plugged in and check lsusb -v ?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> !support | test
[18:20] <Guest37_> https://youtu.be/fAwbrh2Dv_4 me
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> TomFarr: please only ubuntu support issues here
[18:22] <TomFarr> lotuspsychje O-K
[18:24] <spinningCat> how to calcel auto log off?
[18:35] <jpmh> nuala: sorry about the delay.  They kbd is avaiable for login yes.  But I want to read it ffrom an app that I have started
[18:51] <nuala> jpmh: nw bout delay/you seem im not here 24/7 neither :) so hm an app, like phone app yes? and if you type on the keyboard what shall happen?
[18:51] <nuala> s/seem/see
[19:06] <jpmh> nuala: not sure what you are asking
[19:10] <nuala> what do you want to achieve?
[19:24] <yolo_> have been a gnome/gnome-terminal user for years, today I installed konsole and its fonts is like 10x better looking, recommended
[19:25] <yolo_> thought lxterminal is better, turns out konsole is _much_ better
[20:10] <rfm> jpmh, well, I just tried running "sudo cat /dev/tty2" in a window, then swapped to virtual console 2 with ctrl-alt-f2, typed in some stuff, swapped back to the window and there was the stuff I typed.
[20:11] <rfm> jpmh, so you could read from /dev/ttyn just being sure to swap to that console.  You'd have to add the user running your program to the tty group.
[20:19] <andres_> hi, is there any way to move from linux mint to ubuntu without losing data and programs? like when u upgrade from windows 10 to 11
[21:13] <Kaedenn> What programs should I prefer if I want to make animated emotes for Twitch?
[21:14] <Kaedenn> I could just use ffmpeg transforms to do what I want, but I'd like something easier for the user
[21:15] <sarnold> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krita perhaps?
[21:33] <Sixteenbit> how do i get my microsoft serialmouse 2.1a to work?
[21:34] <Sixteenbit> im using inputattach --microsoft /dev/ttyUSB0 on this modern machine with no issues but i cant seem to get my xorg.conf to work
[21:34] <Sixteenbit> i removed waylin and install xorg
[21:34] <leftyfb> Sixteenbit: got a link to the product page for this mouse?
[21:35] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure there isn't a USB Microsoft mouse in existence that doesn't just work when plugged into any linux-based OS
[21:35] <Sixteenbit> leftyfb, this is a serial mouse
[21:35] <Sixteenbit> not a usb mouse
[21:36] <leftyfb> then why are you messing with ttyUSB0?
[21:36] <Sixteenbit> and i got it working, i am just confused to why xorg isnt parsing my mouse settings,
[21:36] <Sixteenbit> cause thats the port i got the mouse on leftyfb
[21:36] <leftyfb> ttyUSB is for USB devices. ttyS0 would be for serial devices
[21:37] <Sixteenbit> iv been using an amd k6 2 500mhz with 1gig of ram but decided to get a new dektop but it lacked a serial port
[21:37] <Sixteenbit> so i got a usb to serial converter
[21:37] <Sixteenbit> leftyfb, yes its a serial to usb converter
[21:38] <leftyfb> Sixteenbit: what version of ubuntu?
[21:38] <Sixteenbit> 20.04
[21:39] <leftyfb> Sixteenbit: the default flavor of ubuntu has xorg installed already, you shouldn't have had to install anything to change from wayland to xorg
[21:39] <Sixteenbit> oh i did apt-get --purge on bunches of stuff and reinstalled things out of anger when i couldnt get my serial mouse to work
[21:39] <Sixteenbit> sorry i was mistaken
[21:39] <Sixteenbit> apt-get remove --purge
[21:40] <leftyfb> Sixteenbit: ok, then you probably want a reinstall of the OS if you removed "bunches of stuff and reinstalled things". There's no telling what state it's in now
[21:41] <Sixteenbit> lol leftyfb
[21:45] <Sixteenbit> i found information i need
[21:45] <Sixteenbit> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[21:50] <Sixteenbit> oh no i been found out!
[22:26] <TortillaSandwich> yubikey authentication in linux leaves a lot to be desired
[22:26] <TortillaSandwich> it works, but provides nothing by way of prompts that it works
[22:26] <TortillaSandwich> windows, in spite of its flaws, at least throws you an alert the key is needed
[22:42] <cbreak> TortillaSandwich: I use a yubikey on linux for ssh authentication
[22:42] <cbreak> that works quite nicely, there's a gui prompt for the pin
[22:42] <cbreak> (from gpg)
[22:58] <TortillaSandwich> cbreak: yeah it certainly works well, but the issue is say for like... desktop sign in unlock
[22:58] <TortillaSandwich> there's no notiifcation to use the key
[22:59] <cbreak> I don't use it for that.
[22:59] <TortillaSandwich> I use them for any level of auth anywhere I can
[22:59] <cbreak> for U2F on web pages, there's usually something on the web page, and the button blinks
[22:59] <cbreak> for SSH / GPG, I get a pin dialog
[22:59] <TortillaSandwich> yeah webpages are good but thats cos the browser calls for it
[23:00] <cbreak> when I log in on my mac with it, it asks me for the pin too instead of the password. (It's annoying, I should disable it)
[23:00] <TortillaSandwich> on ubuntu's login, it's basically input password > press enter > hope you move faster than the time out clock
[23:00] <TortillaSandwich> no dialogue, no prompt
[23:01] <cbreak> how does the ubuntu login work? Via the smartcard interface?
[23:01] <TortillaSandwich> not even that
[23:01] <cbreak> that's what OS X login uses
[23:01] <TortillaSandwich> it's just the standard login, when you hit enter you need to insert the yubikey and press the button
[23:01] <cbreak> weird.
[23:02] <TortillaSandwich> yeah, and it does work cos if you don't interact with the yubikey it kicks back and says invalid password
[23:02] <TortillaSandwich> in windows you are met with a Yubikey lock page, and prompted to insert it
[23:03] <TortillaSandwich> its a minor detail, but sometimes I'm not fast enough... Im old lol
[23:57] <spinull> i set a keyboard shortcut to mount a network share for me, but when i use the shortcut it doesn't mount with the same permissions as when i just run the command
[23:58] <spinull> i don't have write permission when i use the keyboard shortcut
[23:59] <spinull> same command, only diff is i used gksudo instead of sudo for the keyboard shortcut


[14:31] <davef> JWST sunshield deployment, stream should start in a few mins.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBPNi7uGgWM
[14:33] <penguin42> oh right, they had delayed it a bit but not said why or when
[14:57] <diddledani> https://www.amd.com/en/events/ces
[14:59] <penguin42> davef: I find them a bit depressing talking heads and too little of 'we just did ...'
[15:03] <davef> Typical NASA broadcast
[15:05] <penguin42> get out of the way and show me telemtary....
[15:07] <zxmpi> realign your garden radio telescope and listen to the *beep* *beeps*
[15:55] <davef> diddledani: did they talk about new GPUs?
[15:56] <diddledani> they're doing rdna2 mobile gpus from february IIRC, and a new 5500 low-end for $199 later this spring
[16:06] <davef> pffft.. mobile
[16:07] <davef> omg, I got worried for a minute there.. Tim Curry trending on Twitter.. he's okay...\
[16:18] <diddledani> https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/04/classic-blackberry-smartphones-dead/
[16:22] <zxmpi> now people have completely new devices to distract them as they step into traffic
[16:23] <diddledani> cryptononsense https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-2022-micro-led-neo-qled-lifestyle-tvs-personalization-options-ces-2022/#:~:text=everyone%20closer%20together.-,NFT%20Platform,-%3A%20This%20application%20features
[16:38] <davef> nice, AMD are going from PGA to LGA sockets.
[16:39] <davef> AMD has been using PGA since the early 90s (and probably before)
[16:43] <diddledani> it is somewhat amazing they've managed to eek out the PGA style socket for so long
[16:44] <diddledani> IIRC threadrippers and Epyc moved a couple years ago to LGA
[16:45] <davef> they managed to cram 1509 pins on AM4
[16:45] <diddledani> wowser
[16:46] <davef> well, thats by my estimate..
[16:46] <davef> probably more like 1300
[16:46] <diddledani> not far off - according to wiki and quietpc it's 1331
[16:47] <davef> I did 39x39-12(corners) but failed to account for the middle
[16:47] <diddledani> aah
[16:48] <davef> If you're interested in the pin-out.. I just found this.. https://www.docdroid.net/6cDW11N/am4-pinout-diagram-pdf
[16:49] <diddledani> eww, that's a horrid site - click zoom and it gives you a popup window/tab
[16:49] <diddledani> adverts be damned
[16:49] <davef> ublock origin
[16:49] <davef> and NextDNS for dns filtering
[16:49] <diddledani> in fact, click ANYWHERE
[16:49] <davef> I see no adverts
[17:52] <davef> My Pi 4 just arrived
[17:55]  * diddledani Intel next https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/2022-ces-news-event-livestream-replay.html
[17:58] <davef> I can now start my home automation project
[18:13] <diddledani> how many professional animators and game devs actually use a laptop tho?
[18:45] <penguin42> diddledani: I think you get some who like to work flexibly like others - coffee shops, whereever they're comfy;  but also you do get special cases of them working on sites
[18:46] <penguin42> diddledani: I remember seeing the Timeteam stuff where they had animators set up in the back
[23:17] <ball> Well, so much for Ubuntu on the Raspberry Pi
[23:19] <daftykins> i never got the impression that would be stable to run
[23:19] <ball> My son's in tears.  I'll have to reimage the microSDHC card.
[23:20] <daftykins> the old classic, card corruption?
[23:21] <ball> No, it just locked up hard.  Had to pull the power cable.
[23:21] <daftykins> could be due to the same, should be able to fsck and bring it back to life though
[23:22] <daftykins> wiping in the face of surprises is what i did to Windows 9x in my youth ;)
[23:32] <ball> It's not my usual approach but it ran so well on Raspberry Pi OS that I'll put it back