[00:51] <biker> bkerensa: o/
[00:53] <c_smith> hey there, biker
[01:00] <biker> c_smith: zup (
[01:00] <biker> (:
[01:00] <c_smith> not much.
[01:00] <c_smith> just installing Gentoo on my laptop whilst listening to Fight Or Flight.
[01:07] <biker> hehe sweet :p
[01:07] <biker> someday with much time ill try gentoo :p
[01:08] <c_smith> biker, make sure it's a time with at least 2 days to figure it out, and that you read about USE flags.
[01:08] <c_smith> the USE flags make life a hell of a lot easier.
[01:09] <biker> c_smith: sweet thx :p
[01:09] <biker> i used slackware for some time
[01:09] <biker> that was also a hell of a distro
[01:21] <c_smith> biker, no prob.
[01:21] <c_smith> and yeah, that's what I hear about slackware.
[01:22] <c_smith> you can use an Ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/kubuntu/whatever other liveCD you need for the initial installation until you need to reboot and use the Gentoo kernel.
[01:45] <biker> lol xD
[01:45] <biker> c_smith: i dont use ubuntu :p
[01:45] <biker> i have never used ubuntu as the main OS for my computer :p
[01:45] <biker> I use fedora now (:
[01:49] <c_smith> biker, cool
[01:51] <biker> but i used slackware and arch for long time
[02:02] <c_smith> nice.
[02:03] <c_smith> Arch is nice, breaks too much for me, though.
[02:07] <biker> c_smith: thats the reason i left it
[02:07] <c_smith> haha, true.
[02:08] <biker> there was a time when i liked it because it crashed a lot and i liked to fix it and everything :p
[02:08] <biker> but now that i work and have to develop some stuff for the end of the week,., i cant lose time fixing the os :(
[02:08] <biker> so i came back to fedora :p


[01:50] <happy> does anyone know if it is possible to load ubuntu on to a osx 10.4 partition without erasing the drive completely?


[03:04] <Sarvatt> mam that intel libdrm problem is incredibly frustrating to work with, i'm so glad I have lucid's 2.4.14 to fall back to when I need more than 5 minutes of guaranteed uptime :D
[03:05] <Sarvatt> mam=man
[06:57] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: do you have the bug # handy, peter was asking it on the list
[06:58] <tjaalton> +for
[09:46] <jcristau> tjaalton: i think it was fdo#25475
[09:54] <tjaalton> jcristau: yep, should've checked the ffox cache. tab-completed straight to that one :)
[13:55] <hyperair> has anyone here hacked around on the i915 driver?
[13:55] <hyperair> i'm looking for the portions that handle ACPI + brightness keys
[18:31] <alex_mayorga> hi
[18:32] <alex_mayorga> "Xorg [XXXX]: segfault at 0 ip 00000XXXXX sp XXXXXXXXXX error 4 in libc-2.10.1.so [XXXXXXX]" on an intel card
[18:32] <alex_mayorga> also gdm-simple-slav segfaults on libX11.so.6.3.0
[18:34] <alex_mayorga> this on lucid on an intel corporadion mobile 4 aeries chipset
[18:42] <hyperair> looks like a bad libc
[18:43] <hyperair> but wait, wtf is libc-2.10.1.so?
[18:44] <hyperair> do we have such a library? O_o
[18:46] <alex_mayorga> just reporting in case
[18:46] <alex_mayorga> I have here the buggy laptop for some more minutes, he has now booted just cool on win7
[18:47] <hyperair> hmmmm
[18:47] <hyperair> i see
[18:47] <hyperair> lucid
[18:47] <hyperair> lucid uses eglibc eh..
[18:56] <alex_mayorga> anything else to gather?


[23:22] <skellat> Happy Halloween
[23:26] <PCLine_> Right back at you!
[23:26] <PCLine_> and Hello everyone.


[06:56] <dholbach> hey hey
[07:30] <Mister_Q> o/
[07:30]  * dholbach relocates to the office, bbiab
[10:46] <tsimonq2> morning everyone! :D
[11:23] <ahoneybun> man the wallpaper contest has some great wallpapers!
[11:26] <tsimonq2> I'm off to school o/
[15:47] <dholbach> all right... need to run - see you all tomorrow!
[18:41] <ahoneybun> mhall119, think I could get the Fund to approve getting a Blu R1 HD for porting with Mario?
[18:41] <ahoneybun> it's like 60 bucks for the amazon stuff but it can be unlocked and rooted now
[18:51] <mhall119> ahoneybun: has mario said he would port to it?
[18:51] <ahoneybun> I was going to work with him on
[18:51] <ahoneybun> mariogrip, ^
[18:53] <mariogrip> sure you want to port it i can guide you, but i dont have that much time :)
[18:54] <mariogrip> (i dont have time to do it myself, but i will gladly guide you)
[18:54] <ahoneybun> Blu would be a great company to have as a US partner
[18:54] <ahoneybun> mariogrip, yea your time is pretty full
[19:46] <Kilos> o/
[19:51] <ahoneybun> mhall119,  mariogrip you can get root, unlock the bootloader and the kernel is on github
[19:51] <ahoneybun> oh and CM12 device tree
[19:51] <ahoneybun> *13
[20:12] <ahoneybun> mm I think my N4's battery is dead
[20:23] <popey> i replaced my n4 batteries (all 3 of them)
[20:23] <popey> easy to do with a new one off ebay
[20:23] <popey> they even supply the tools
[20:26] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252356099358
[20:26] <popey> wasn't expensive


[07:08] <mistrynitesh> i am trying to fix bug 638258 in kubuntu-docs, which is specific to maverick
[07:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 638258 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Error in kubuntu-docs-netbook (maverick), string #14 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/638258
[07:08] <mistrynitesh> now that the maverick is already branched, if I want to patch it, I shouldn't I first do 'bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs/maverick' and make changes, or the latest branch will do the job?
[07:10] <mistrynitesh> I already created a merge proposal using the latest version and now I am having doubts :-|


[00:19] <douglasawh-work> removing fglrx fixed one thing, but I'm going to go back to Windows at work...at least on the main machine.  Sadly, I don't have time to figure this out
[00:24] <douglasawh-work> should I give wayland a go?
[00:40] <spikeb> no


 If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[22:20] <stas_> plm
[22:20] <alinrus> da nu mai stiu care cum
[22:20] <stas_> :)
[22:20] <alinrus> stas_, da-mi access la botu asta
[22:20] <stas_> stai sa vad
[22:20] <stas_> o sec
[22:26] <stas_> alinrus: ba
[22:26] <stas_> incearca
[22:26] <alinrus> !login
[22:26] <Libertiny> alinrus: Error: "login" is not a valid command.
[22:26] <stas_> Libertiny: identify alinrus <parola>
[22:26] <alinrus> !part
[22:26] <Libertiny> stas_: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
[22:26] <Libertiny> alinrus: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[22:27] <stas_> da in privat
[22:27] <alinrus> stas_, da scrie-mi si tu in privat parola
[22:27] <alinrus> :)
[22:28] <stas_> sami bag ceva de stiu parola
[22:28] <stas_> iti dau hash-ul
[22:28] <stas_> :)
[22:28] <alinrus> :))
[22:28] <stas_> f4ec94ee|fee2e797b57365d3ff4e3167c263b3af2f86fccb :)
[22:29] <stas_> stai sa incerc ceva
[22:30] <stas_> !comenzi
[22:30] <Libertiny> http://ubottu.com/stdin/supydocs/plugins.html
[22:30] <stas_> !config reload
[22:30] <Libertiny> stas_: The operation succeeded.
[22:34] <alinrus> !login
[22:34] <Libertiny> alinrus: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
[22:35] <stas_> stai ca pun hash-u la loc :)
[22:36] <stas_> !config reload
[22:36] <Libertiny> stas_: OK
[22:37] <stas> !whoami
[22:37] <Libertiny> stas: I don't recognize you.
[22:37] <stas> !login
[22:37] <Libertiny> stas: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
[22:37] <stas> !config reload
[22:37] <Libertiny> stas: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[22:41] <stas> :)
[22:41] <stas> sorry dude
[22:51] <alinrus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MsEaRbVuzs&feature=youtu.be
[23:08] <stas> !login
[23:08] <Libertiny> stas: OK
[23:08] <stas> !whoami
[23:08] <Libertiny> stas: stas
[23:08] <stas> !part
[23:08] <Libertiny> stas: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[23:12] <stas> !login
[23:13] <Libertiny> stas: OK
[23:13] <stas> !whoami
[23:13] <Libertiny> stas: stas
[23:13] <stas> !part
[23:15] <alinrus> !whoami
[23:15] <Libertiny> alinrus: alinrus
[23:15] <alinrus> !slap stas
[23:15]  * Libertiny slaps stas around with a hitch hiking statue
[23:15] <stas> lux
[23:15] <alinrus> !part
[23:15] <Libertiny> alinrus: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again.


[03:24] <sandman13> is there a minimal CD of Kubuntu?
[03:24] <sandman13> 14.04
[03:30] <valorie> sandman13: no, but you can use the Ubuntu mini, and just install kubuntu-desktop
[03:36] <sandman13> valorie: I want very basic install like Debian and don't want the extra stuffs that come pre-installed with kubuntu
[03:36] <sandman13> the policy is keep the packages to minimum and don't install unecessary packages
[03:39] <valorie> sure
[03:40] <sandman13> valorie: i have debian 7 installed but want alternative to it
[03:40] <valorie> you can look in muon or whatever package manager you prefer to see what kubuntu-desktop install
[03:40] <valorie> s
[03:40] <valorie> it is a metapackage, of course
[03:41] <valorie> or you can get .... kde-runtime ? I think is the most minimal
[03:41] <valorie> !info kde-runtime
[03:42] <valorie> !info kubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <valorie> huh
[03:42] <valorie> but the depends....
[03:43] <sandman13> valorie maybe kdedesktop-plasma-workspace
[03:43] <sandman13> atleast it is on debian
[03:44] <valorie> as I say, you can look at muon or synaptic or whatever you use, and look at the dependencies
[03:44] <sandman13> okay got that
[03:45] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[05:34] <jim486> hi everyone
[05:35] <valorie> what can we help you with, jim486?
[05:35] <jim486> nothing, just saying hi
[05:47] <valorie> hello to you as well
[06:36] <Tesserakt> hi
[06:36] <Tesserakt> teilnehmer?
[06:36] <Tesserakt>    //y = y-wert der Zelle; x ist der x-wert
[06:36] <Tesserakt>   for i := -1 to 1 do
[06:36] <Tesserakt>   for j := -1 to 1 do
[06:36] <Tesserakt>   begin
[06:36] <Tesserakt>     sum := sum + a[y+j,x+i]                //sum = Anzahl der Nachbarn
[06:36] <Tesserakt>   end;
[06:36] <unopaste> Tesserakt you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[06:38] <valorie> that was odd
[07:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:04] <salsero|2> good morning evader
[07:05] <lordievader> Hey salsero|2, how are you?
[07:05] <TheFakeazneD525> lordievader: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnfhynQpI01qm348ao1_500.jpg
[07:05] <salsero|2> good you?
[07:06] <lordievader> salsero|2: Doing okay here ;)
[07:06] <salsero|2> you a kiwi?
[07:06] <lordievader> Hope so. Shall we continue in #kubuntu-offtopic?
[07:10] <salsero|2> sure
[07:20] <luc4> Hello! Anyone else unable to run kmix?
[07:34] <valorie> luc4: what happens?
[07:34] <valorie> runs fine for me....
[07:34] <luc4> valorie: it seems to simply exit without showing any interface.
[07:35] <luc4> 32bit?
[07:35] <luc4> I'm on 64.
[07:35] <valorie> perhaps try running it from the commandline, and see if you get any useful output
[07:35] <valorie> I'm on 64 bit on this box
[07:35] <valorie> latest 14.04
[07:35] <luc4> valorie: done, I only see the usual Qt warning twice: "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.".
[07:36] <luc4> gdb reports a process exited correctly.
[07:36] <luc4> valorie: [Inferior 1 (process 5401) exited normally]
[07:36] <valorie> very odd
[07:37] <valorie> if I had seen anyone else mention problems, I would say file a bug with the cli ubuntu-bug
[07:37] <luc4> valorie: in fact now I don't know what to do...
[07:37] <valorie> but since I haven't, it is probably a KDE bug
[07:37] <valorie> did you do anything unusual, like remove pulseaudio?
[07:38] <valorie> change backends but not log out?
[07:38] <luc4> valorie: I don't think so. Actually audio is not working good here.
[07:38] <luc4> valorie: but that is probably unrelated.
[07:40] <valorie> do you use phonon-backend-gstreamer, which is what is provided by default
[07:40] <valorie> or the vlc backend, which seems to be working better these days
[07:42] <valorie> !info phonon-backend-vlc
[09:05] <gattler> hi, i'm trying to use kubuntu 14.04 on intel valley view hardware but i can't get the internal screen to work
[09:05] <gattler> it's a lenvovo idea flex 10
[09:05] <ShalokShalom> https://next.duckduckgo.com/
[09:56] <jussi> hrm, my calendar in Kontact has decided to take a walk. any ideas how to get it back?  (or even where to start looking)
[10:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:07] <Walex> jussi: have you tried #Kontact and #KDE for that?
[12:27] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  does someone know if its possible to turn off smooth rendered fonts in the kate editor form kde?
[12:39] <Paradisee> hello
[12:39] <Walex> howlymowly: yes, someone will know for sure.
[12:39] <Paradisee> ive installed kubuntu on my new laptop, but i get a black screen, how can i solve this?
[12:39] <howlymowly> Walex: you're so funny
[12:40] <lordievader> Paradisee: What graphics card and driver do you use?
[12:40] <Walex> Paradisee: have you tried switching to console 1 to see if the text-mode console works?
[12:40] <Paradisee> i cant even press ctrl + alt + F1 to get the terminal :/
[12:40] <Paradisee> i have to go to the recovery mode and run the terminal there
[12:40] <Walex> Paradisee: also, very new GPUs are not supported as <lordievader> hints.
[12:41] <Walex> howlymowly: "anyone"/"someone" questions deserve to be answered literally :-)
[12:41] <Paradisee> ill give a look
[12:42] <Paradisee> pretty impossible to read what lspci gives :/
[12:42] <Paradisee> cant even scroll up
[12:43] <Paradisee> its a radeon btw
[12:44] <lordievader> Paradisee: "lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA"
[12:45] <Paradisee> it doesnt give graphic card
[12:45] <lordievader> It should.
[12:46] <lordievader> It should also show the currently loaded driver.
[12:46] <Paradisee> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corpotation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[12:46] <Paradisee> Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 2184
[12:48] <lordievader> Do you have a dual gpu system?
[12:48] <Paradisee> i dont think so
[12:49] <lordievader> Since you said you had a radeon.
[12:49] <lordievader> Anyhow, does the gui in the live cd work?
[12:50] <Paradisee> ive just tried the debian live and it works
[12:50] <BluesKaj> dual gpus are usually optimus , which intel and nvidia
[12:50] <BluesKaj> use
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Paradisee, can you pastebin , sudo lshw -C video
[12:52] <Paradisee> nope i cant
[12:52] <Paradisee> i have to run a live cd to do it
[12:53] <lordievader> And your live cd doesn't have an internet connection?
[12:53] <Paradisee> it should have
[12:53] <Paradisee> actually im not on a live cd
[12:53] <Paradisee> im on recovery mode
[12:56] <Paradisee> i have to go to work
[12:56] <Paradisee> ill join from there
[13:28] <Irish_canon> Hello I am running 13.10 kubuntu and my wireless is there but disabled how do I enable it
[13:35] <LucidGuy> Is the KDE desktop still called the Plasma desktop?
[13:36] <hateball> Irish_canon: What do you mean "there but disabled"?
[13:36] <hateball> Irish_canon: Do you have a hardware killswitch which has disabled it? Or is it disabled in network-manager?
[13:37] <Irish_canon> when i go under the nm-tool gui its disabled and i cant enable it
[13:37] <lordievader> LucidGuy: Yes.
[13:37] <Irish_canon> no hardware kill switch on this system ....wish it was that simple
[13:37] <hateball> LucidGuy: I think Plasma Desktop Workspace, and you have Netbook Workspace
[13:38] <hateball> Irish_canon: does running "dmesg" show anything obvious?
[13:38] <Irish_canon> disabled in network-manager
[13:38] <hateball> Irish_canon: Like a missing driver or some such
[13:38] <Irish_canon> hang on
[13:38] <hateball> Irish_canon: What chipset is it? Have you checked with jockey-kde that there are no restricted drivers pending to be installed?
[13:39] <Irish_canon> never used jockey-kde b4
[13:39] <LucidGuy> So if I were to reference the KDE eye candy look .. I would want to refer to the KDE Plasma Desktop workspace
[13:40] <lordievader> LucidGuy: Exactly ;)
[13:40] <Irish_canon> chip set is -> Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[13:41] <LucidGuy> Thank you.
[13:41] <Irish_canon> used jocket-kde.... nothing found
[13:42] <BluesKaj> jockey has been replaced by driver manager in system settings
[13:42] <Irish_canon> Hello BluesKaj
[13:43] <BluesKaj> hey Irish_canon
[13:43] <Irish_canon> wats up
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Irish_canon,, not much, just having some breakfast..you still having wifi troubles eh? that chip can be a pita
[13:45] <Irish_canon> your telling me bi
[13:47] <Irish_canon> only thing is now im using 13.10 rather then 14.04 and the wireless card is showing but cant enable it
[13:48] <BluesKaj> so it runs fine in 13.10?
[13:48] <Irish_canon> yes but cant enable it rfkill list shows it there but its off
[13:49] <Irish_canon> hardware and software is no
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Irish_canon, check this out http://askubuntu.com/questions/419867/qualcomm-atheros-ar9485-wireless-network-adapter-not-working-on-ubuntu-13-10
[13:52] <BluesKaj> hey genii
[13:52] <Irish_canon> will check be back soon
[13:53]  * genii slides BluesKaj a new coffee
[13:54]  * BluesKaj accepts it with gratitude :)
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Irish_canon, has atheros wifi probs Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[13:56] <Irish_canon> yes I do... pain in the ass so far
[14:01] <Irish_canon> when im in /etc/modprobe.d and run sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi it tells -  ERROR  missing module name. -  FATAL: Error running remove command for iwlwifi
[14:04] <dubis_> hi all, When  I launch Okular my Xserver is blinking and my cpu is uper
[14:05] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:06] <Irish_canon> http://pastebin.com/u6LJGFeZ
[14:07] <dubis_> the screen configuration is apering
[14:08] <hmgray> hi, does kubuntu support activities ?
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> hello
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> hmgray: yes it does
[14:09] <hmgray> cool, activities changed my life, what a cool concept
[14:10] <hmgray> any way short of chroot to keep activities siloed ?
[14:11] <TheFakeazneD525> hmgray: How siloed you want?
[14:11] <TheFakeazneD525> In theory, I guess you could go for a VM :P
[14:11] <TheFakeazneD525> It depends on the situation
[14:12] <hmgray> thunderbird only to open links in firefox in activity only, not across other activities.
[14:14] <dubis_> sudo skill plymouthd fixed my problem ???? any advise
[14:16] <ovidiu-florin> hmgray: I believe that is eighter a option or a bug
[14:17] <dubis_> I've to sue acrobat reader now ...sni snif
[14:25] <hmgray> well, guess i'm forced to go with chroot for those activities I want siloed....bummer
[14:25] <hmgray> thanks for the answers bye
[14:35] <LucidGuy> How would you refer the little alt+f2 drop launch window ...
[14:35] <LucidGuy> quich launch bar?
[14:35] <lordievader> LucidGuy: That is krunner.
[14:36] <LucidGuy> lordievader, thanks ...
[16:35] <rvdv> How to configure kubuntu 14.04 software manager, so that I can update the system without sudo password?
[16:36] <rvdv> only ask password when I install new software
[16:36] <BluesKaj> !sudoer
[16:37] <BluesKaj> !info sudoer
[16:37] <BluesKaj> weird
[16:38] <BluesKaj> rvdv, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[16:38] <Kraji> anyone having troubles with teletaphy-kde?
[16:39] <rvdv> Looking in the settings of the software manager ... but can not find a something for pasword less upgrade of installed software ... will take a loot BluesKaj
[16:39] <rberg__> you can configure in "Software & updates" to automatically install packages instead of notifying
[16:39] <rberg__> ohh actually thats just for security updates
[16:43] <BluesKaj> rberg__, rvdv the sudoers file can be setup to avoid using the pw while updating and upgraing, also one can use alias commands in ~/.bashrc to shorten the commands as well
[16:43] <BluesKaj> upgrading
[16:43] <rvdv> Seems I need to make a command alias to muon-updater ... and allow my user to use that without password
[16:44] <BluesKaj> rvdv, I'm talking about the terminal here
[16:44] <rberg__> yeah I am familiar with sudoers,  you would restrict it to apt-get update and apt-get -y upgrade. that way install wont be allowed
[16:45] <BluesKaj> the -y option is dangerous in some cases , it's best to be able to review the changes before upgrading automatically
[16:45] <rvdv> BluesKaj: I was talking about muon-updater which ask a password for normal upgrades ... Opensuse has it out of the box setup that for these kind of actions no password is required
[16:46] <BluesKaj> rvdv, I find it simpler to use the terminal , personally
[16:49] <rvdv> BluesKaj: I just find it more comfortable to do two clicks with the mouse without typing anything ... not open a terminal if not needed ...
[16:50] <Jags> hi people
[16:51] <Jags> can anyone help me with updates through termina
[16:51] <Jags> terminal
[16:51] <BluesKaj> personal preference i guess, sudoers combined with alias commands mkes updates and upgrades pretty simple and easy
[16:51] <Jags> i am not able to download any update through sudo apt-get command
[16:51] <Jags> gives an error
[16:52] <BluesKaj> Jags, post the error
[16:52] <Jags> wait a sec, i'll post it
[16:52] <BluesKaj> in 3 lines or less
[16:52] <BluesKaj> otherwise pastebin
[16:54] <Jags> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
[16:54] <Jags> i wanted to install adobe flash player plugin for mozilla through this command sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[16:54] <BluesKaj> Jags, do you have a package manager open as well ?
[16:55] <Jags> none open
[16:56] <Jags> i got same error when i tried installing vlc player through terminal
[16:56] <BluesKaj> hmm, try this command, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:57] <Jags> okay, and then
[16:57] <genii> I think there's a factoid for this...
[16:57] <genii> !aptfix
[16:58] <BluesKaj> Jags, then try the install
[16:59] <Jags> ok, will try
[17:00] <Jags> still the same.
[17:00] <Jags> will security updates help solve thsi issue
[17:00] <Jags> cuz there's pending update
[17:00] <BluesKaj> then the package manager is open
[17:01] <Jags> Strangely i dont see any package managers up and running
[17:01] <Jags> could they be hidden and run in background
[17:02] <BluesKaj> pending makes it active, run the update in package manager
[17:03] <Jags> hmm guess will do that
[17:03] <dbrom> trying to remove virtualbox when apt-get remove doesnt remove all files
[17:05] <rvdv> Oh btw ... Thank You!  BluesKaj ;)
[17:05] <BluesKaj> rvdv, yw
[17:06] <Jags> thanx buddy @ Blueskaj
[17:07] <Jags> will try updating first and theen carry on
[17:07] <BluesKaj> ok Jags
[17:14] <ThatGuy> test123
[17:14] <ThatGuy> how do i changed my name?
[18:56] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes
[19:21] <LucidGuy> Anyone know how to disable desktop effects from startup .. via a conf file?  Google doesnt seem to have the answer for me.
[19:39] <toni_> Hello everyone
[19:40] <toni_> i'm using kubuntu since 10.04 lts and in this 14.04 lts i found an excesive battery consume, it's remarkable that i've just buy a new pc with a bigger processor and a nvidia gt 740M graphic card
[19:42] <toni_> but, i've windows 8.1 also in this pc, and using kubuntu the battery can extends its life maximum 1h 30 min
[19:42] <toni_> with windows 8.1 may be 2h 30 min
[19:54] <TheFakeazneD525> :c
[19:54] <TheFakeazneD525> I was going to recommend the xorg-edgers fresh crack
[19:54] <TheFakeazneD525> or whatevs
[19:56] <wuschLOR> need some help kde just killed all the umlaut (ä ü ö ß)
[20:52] <ahmad_> hey , can i ask one question ?
[20:54] <BluesKaj> ahmad_, ask away
[20:55] <ahmad_> blusfish text editor stopped working suddenly , how can i open it ? i removed it and installed againd , but i faild to open it !!!
[20:57] <BluesKaj> ahmad_, sorry, not at all familiar with bluefish
[20:58] <ahmad_> ok , no problem , i have another question !
[21:08] <wuschLOR> ahmad_: don't ask if you can ask a question just ask the question
[21:09] <ahmad_> don't ask !!!???
[21:10] <wuschLOR> pls ask
[21:17] <wuschLOR> @ ahmad_ i thought you had another question ?
[21:18] <ahmad_> yes , how can i use ubuntu repository inside kubunty ?
[21:19] <thelionroars> does anyone know where the host keys are kept for dolphin? I've installed a new SSH server with the same IP and port as previous and it complains every time I try SFTP
[21:20] <genii> ahmad_: All of the *buntu flavours like Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu all use the same repositories
[21:20] <wuschLOR> easy kubuntu is part of the ubuntu ppa
[21:21] <wuschLOR> you shuld be able to install everything from ubuntu with apt-get
[21:21] <wuschLOR> or the softwarecenter
[21:22] <wuschLOR> or aptitude
[21:22] <genii> Muon is the default package manager in Kubuntu, but getting used to apt-get is best because it works on all *buntu no matter their individual package managers
[21:22] <rberg__> thelionroars: ssh host keys are in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[21:22] <wuschLOR> and apt-get is faster;)
[21:23] <thelionroars> thanks rberg__
[21:28] <ahmad_> i want to install skype for kubuntu
[21:29] <wuschLOR> thats nonfree software you need to activate the canonical partner ppa
[21:30] <wuschLOR> open muon
[21:31] <wuschLOR> find the software sources
[21:31] <wuschLOR> navigate to other software
[21:31] <wuschLOR> check cannonical partner
[21:31] <wuschLOR> done
[21:43] <bonk3rzz> is there a way to remove the desktop wiget "thing" in the top left corner of 14.04 i no i can move it but i really want it gone
[21:52] <genii> bonk3rzz: Add a new widget from the bar, choose Get New Widgets... Download new Plasma Widgets.... search for Py-Cashew and install it
[21:54] <bonk3rzz> i dont want to add more... I want to remove the desktop tool box (its stupid)
[21:59] <genii> bonk3rzz: That's the plasmoid that lets you do that.
[22:00] <bonk3rzz> ah i see thx
[22:02] <bonk3rzz> ok its installed but how do i remove it
[22:07] <genii> Drag the Py-Cashew widget off the widget window onto your bar then you can open it from there and get rid of the desktop cashew
[22:07] <genii> Beer O Clock!
[22:12] <bonk3rzz> ya nothin


[09:01] <cpaelzer> athos: mdevctl might look good on our side but now with dh_auto_test enabled fails on arm64 https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=mdevctl&arch=arm64&ver=1.2.0-4&stamp=1693843809&raw=0
[09:03] <weedmic> do you have a question - or just reporting back
[09:03] <cpaelzer> I'm reporting back as he has provided the last build fixes so that he can have a look
[09:03] <cpaelzer> thanks weedmic for reminding me, I wasn't entirely clear on the purpose of the msg
[09:05] <weedmic> my english - made me wonder if I learnt it at all :D  i love report backs though - ty
[10:29] <athos> thanks, cpaelzer :) I will check that one out :)
[10:31] <cpaelzer> thank you athos
[10:51] <weedmic> Does everyone have to go through a process each time they change a kernel for vmware playstation?  I don't mind, I have one and it works well, just want to ensure I'm not the only one who must do it.


[00:00] <abentley> igc: restarted
[00:30] <javierder> bueno, yoh!
[00:30] <beuno> javierder, hey. I see you've been keeping up the work on bzr-gedit  :)   Do you have an ETA for the next release?
[00:31] <javierder> beuno, yes, next friday
[00:31] <beuno> I'm flirting with the idea of packaging it, but I'd like to get rid of the bzr-gtk dependencies before I do
[00:31] <beuno> is that close by on the roadmap?
[00:32] <javierder> that's actually not in the roadmap. but i don't think much code is needed. I'll check it now.
[00:32] <beuno> javierder, cool  :)   I think that if it's packaged, you might get more users testing it
[00:33] <javierder> ok, greta
[00:33] <javierder> *great
[00:33] <beuno> no real hurry, just wanted to check in to see what the situation was
[00:42] <javierder> beuno, check it now if you want :)
[00:49] <beuno> javierder, looks good. Did you test it withough bzr-gtk installed?
[00:53] <javierder> beuno, not exactly, but i tested it changing the module it tries to import. if the plugin can't find bzrlib.plugins.gtk some commands won't work.
[00:53] <beuno> javierder, good enough. I'll look into packaging it then
[00:53] <javierder> ok, great!
[00:58] <lifeless> fbond: I'd really like docs for what you do today; such things will help clarify what automation is most useful.
[01:58] <fbond> lifeless: Okay, I'll put something brief together.
[02:04] <lifeless> fbond: it doesn't have to be hugely polished
[02:09] <fbond> lifeless: Being temporary documentation, I wouldn't think so :)
[02:09] <fbond> lifeless: I guess it's all temporary documentation, though.
[02:10] <lifeless> :)
[02:39] <abentley> lifeless: In my pull change, there will be no error if the specified revision id is in the target, but not the source.  This doesn't cause any tests to fail.
[02:44] <lifeless> abentley: ok, land it then
[03:03]  * igc lunch
[05:12] <lifeless> woo
[05:12] <lifeless> looks like this will be it
[05:18] <lifeless> taking a short break while this test tests
[05:24] <awmcclain> Has anyone configured bzr-email to work with gmail? I have the gmail-branch, but it's not sending and I'm not seeing any errors in .bzr.log
[05:42] <lifeless> abentley: around ?
[05:42] <abentley> lifeless: Yup
[05:42] <lifeless> abentley: I am about to start rewriting fetch.py for VersionedFiles; I am hoping you can get your rich-root conversion fixing patch landed asap :)
[05:42] <lifeless> so that I can layer on your work
[05:43] <abentley> I hope so too.  It's in igc's hands now.
[05:44] <igc> abentley: I approved that an hour or so ago I think
[05:45] <igc> make that 30 minutes :-)
[05:45] <igc> just some comment tweaks and all good now
[05:45] <abentley> Okay.
[05:46] <lifeless> I'm submitting my new streaming api for review too
[05:46] <lifeless> it may textually collide with your patch I think, but in a trivial fashion
[05:46] <lifeless> the next phase will be more...dramatic
[05:47] <abentley> lifeless, igc: Cool.  I'll do that now.
[05:53] <abentley> lifeless: It's in progress.
[05:57] <abentley> lifeless, poolie: I have just added a "My Todo" tab to Bundle Buggy.  It lists all your merge requests that haven't been merged or rejected.
[05:57] <lifeless> nice, thanks
[05:59] <abentley> You're welcome.
[06:00] <abentley> It should list everything that's gotten a resubmit, or is pending review, or has been approved.
[06:00] <abentley> Let me know what you think.
[06:12] <abentley> lifeless: Will your work have a significant impact on the reconcile code?
[06:13] <lifeless> abentley: I'll be leaving a thunk behind
[06:13] <lifeless> abentley: but ideally, yes, I will be touching everything
[06:14] <abentley> Reconcile is the remaining piece of this inventory_sha1 stuff.
[06:14] <lifeless> yeah
[06:14] <abentley> I've started on tests, but perhaps the fix should wait.
[06:16] <lifeless> I think we won't collide
[06:17] <lifeless> I can leave reconcile till last
[06:18] <abentley> Okay.
[06:43] <fullermd> Is 1.4 blocked on something, or are we just waiting out RC testing still?
[06:44] <fullermd> That knit-related thing jam had, maybe?
[07:14] <igc> bbl - out for a medical appointment
[07:30] <spiv> fullermd: I'm not the release manager, but I would like to see jam's fix in 1.4
[07:34] <fullermd> Yeah.  If it's worth a 1.3 point release, surely it should go into releases that don't yet exist   :)
[08:36]  * mtaylor is away: going to sleep... very tired
[10:08] <emgent> Unable to obtain lock lp--1227538260:///lock
[10:08] <emgent> held by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on host vostok [process #23990]
[10:08] <emgent> locked 13 minutes, 9 seconds ago
[10:08] <emgent> Will continue to try until 10:12:37
[10:08] <emgent> some idea to unlock ?
[10:09] <bob2> break-lock might work
[10:09] <emgent> cool.
[10:28] <fullermd> Mmm.  'viz' seems to have picked up a bug in showing Children on the Relations tab.  It's only showing 2nd (and later) children...
[12:36]  * Peng hits bzr.
[12:36] <Peng> .bzr.backup does not survive a round-trip through "bzr add" and "bzr revert" very well.
[13:16] <poolie> Peng: oh, i can imagine
[13:23]  * AfC is a bit vague why someone would want to `bzr add .bzr.backup`
[13:36] <Odd_Bloke> We should probably add it to the default ignores...
[13:39] <awilkins_> Maybe make it \.bzr.*/
[13:40] <bob2> \.o./
[13:41] <Peng> I didn't *want* to add it.. I did "bzr add", forgetting it was there.
[13:42] <Odd_Bloke> Well, there was/is a patch to change it to .backup.bzr, so that wouldn't cover that case.
[13:42] <Peng> It's "backup.bzr" now.
[13:42] <Peng> This .bzr.backup dir is just really old.
[13:42] <Odd_Bloke> So I think specifying it explicitly will ensure that it doesn't get missed in later changes.
[13:44] <Peng> AfC: I didn't *want* to add it.. I did "bzr add", forgetting it was there.
[13:44] <AfC> Peng: ah.
[13:44] <AfC> Peng: that would certainly seem a bug then - I don't think one should be able to add such a thing.
[13:59] <spiv> It might make sense to have backup.bzr on the default ignore list.
[14:02] <igc> spiv: I think that makes a lot of sense
[14:02] <igc> time for sleep - night all
[14:04] <spiv> G'night.
[14:13] <Odd_Bloke> igc: I'll make those changes and push them to LP, so as to make your merging of it easier.
[14:13] <Odd_Bloke> 'It' being the hooks stuff.
[14:31] <Peng> Hey, my ~/.bazaar/ignore file had its first birthday Monday. :D
[15:09] <jsled> I've a source file that bzr (reasonably) thought was binary.  I've removed those characters.  How to tell bzr that it's now safe to consider it a text file?
[15:11] <luks> it will do that automatically if it can't find any null bytes
[15:11] <luks> bzr doesn't really make difference between text and binary files, internally
[15:11] <bob2> I'm pretty sure bzr only considers that for display (e.g. diff) and does it at display time rather than storing it like cvs
[15:13] <jsled> after removing the bytes, `bzr diff` still calls at least one of the files binary; committing did the trick.
[15:13] <jsled> thanks.
[15:15] <gumpa> Howdy. {$bzr commit} opens $EDITOR, but issues {bzr: ERROR: empty commit message specified}
[15:15] <luks> did you save the file?
[15:16] <abentley> gumpa: You mean it does this before you have a chance to enter a message?
[15:16] <gumpa> yes, before editing
[15:16] <gumpa> saving leaves bzr_log.adslf
[15:17] <abentley> Your editor is forking probably off and giving control back before it's finished editing.
[15:17] <gumpa> Ah, so it's GVim configuration?
[15:17] <abentley> Editors can often be configured not to do this.  For example, "gvim -f" prevents this in gvim.
[15:18] <abentley> So yeah, either set EDITOR or BZR_EDITOR to "gvim -f"
[15:18] <abentley> Though personally, I prefer plain vim for that task.
[15:20] <gumpa> OK, changing $EDITOR to vim = working, I'll put that in the bzr conf
[15:20] <gumpa> thx
[15:20] <abentley> np
[15:29] <muszek> hi
[15:31] <muszek> I'm in dir /a, I have ran 'bzr init b', co I have /a/b/.bzr.  now, I'm trying to bind it to another repo, but I'm still in /a... I issue a command: 'bzr bind bzr+ssh://host/dir b' and I get an error: "bzr: ERROR: extra argument to command bind: b"
[15:32] <muszek> is there any way around it?
[15:32] <muszek> the thing is that these commands are issued from a script that's located in /a
[15:34] <muszek> n/m... I figured it out 5 seconds after I asked the question
[15:35] <abentley> bind only affects the current directory at the moment.  Some of our other commands do accept -d to specify an arbitrary directory.
[15:53] <LeoNerd> I don't suppose there's an  ununcommit command, is there? :)
[15:53] <LeoNerd> I got a bit overzealous accidentally... uncommitted too much
[16:02] <james_w> LeoNerd: pull can get you back
[16:23] <Odd_Bloke> igc: https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/bzr/hooks
[16:26] <jelmer> does anybody know what the current plans are wrt 1.4?
[17:33] <cr3> is there a way for bzr to purge .pyc files when .py files are removed?
[17:36] <james_w> cr3: I don't know of one, sorry.
[17:38] <cr3> james_w: there's probably a hook mechanism I could use, that'd be neat
[17:39] <james_w> cr3: you could add a few hooks I expect, but there's not one for whenever a file is removed I don't think.
[20:59]  * Mez yawns
[20:59] <Mez> hmm, when starting a new branch, and adding lots of files  -  what annoys me most is that you have to wait twice for it to go through all the files
[20:59]  * Mez has been waiting for about 5 mins now for bzr ci to get to the editor
[21:03] <jam> Mez: "bzr add -q" "bzr commit -q"
[21:04] <jam> and, of course, "bzr commit -m 'I dont need no stinkin editor'" :)
[21:04] <Mez> yeah, but it still has to do the work
[21:04] <Mez> and I know of -m - but need multi lines
[21:05] <jam> Mez: multiple lines works fine here
[21:05] <jam> depends on your shell
[21:05] <jam> It doesn't seem to work for Win32 and .bat files
[21:05] <jam> which makes me sad
[21:05] <jam> Since I always use it everywhere else
[21:05] <jam> and don't realize it is broken until I do "bzr log" and wonder where my message went.
[21:20] <nekohayo> jelmer: does this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/177874) mean that I should now be able to merge a bzr-svn imported branch into a regular pack-0.92 branch, by any chance?
[21:22] <jelmer> nekohayo: it means you can now upgrade the pack-0.92 branch to rich-root-pack without problems
[21:23] <jelmer> nekohayo, and after that, merging shouldn't be a problem
[21:23] <nekohayo> jelmer: but what about merging? such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/202884
[21:24] <abentley> nekohayo: You will never be able to merge pack-0.92 into rich-root-pack.  pack-0.92 cannot represent the data in rich-root-pack.
[21:25] <abentley> sorry,
[21:25] <abentley> you will never be able to merge *rich-root-pack* into *pack-0.92*
[21:25] <nekohayo> means rich root pack is superior? I don't quite remember if it was supposed to be the next default, or if it was some other format
[21:26] <abentley> nekohayo: Yes, it is superior, and I hope to make it the next default format.
[21:26] <abentley> But at present, you should only use it if you need interoperability with bzr-svn data.
[21:27] <nekohayo> not stable yet?
[21:28] <abentley> It is stable, but it is incompatible with 0.92.  So if my project uses 0.92, and you use rich-root-pack, then I can't merge your changes.
[21:29] <nekohayo> when do you plan to make it the default then?
[21:31] <Odd_Bloke> nekohayo: 1.5, I think.
[21:40] <nekohayo> Odd_Bloke: o_o I see a mailing list post about bzr 1.5 dated february 2006, I'm somehow scared
[21:41] <fullermd> You probably see a post about baz 1.5   :p
[21:41] <nekohayo> baz != bazaar?
[21:41] <fullermd> Yes and No and Sorta and Once-Upon-A-Time.
[21:42] <fullermd> bazaar was baz, and is now bzr.  Discontinuity.
[21:43] <nekohayo> headache ensues?
[21:43] <fullermd> Well.  Only if you try to use baz   ;)
[21:43] <mwhudson> do not look into the light
[21:44] <nekohayo> hm. can I get bzr from bzr, and run it in place (without installing it)?
[21:46] <fullermd> For the latter, you just need to run the 'bzr' in that dir; the rest will Just Work.  The simplest way is to make a symlink somewhere in $PATH (I use ~/bin) pointing at it.
[21:48] <jam> nekohayo: and we recommend that you run "make"
[21:48] <jam> it isn't strictly required, but it allows you to use the compiled forms of a few key functions
[21:48] <jam> (we have pure python fallbacks for everything)
[21:49] <nekohayo> jam so it won't confuse itself with the systemwide-installed bzr?
[21:49] <jam> nekohayo: shouldn't
[21:49] <nekohayo> ok
[21:49] <jam> I run from ~/bin/bzr all the time
[21:49] <jam> => dev/bzr/bzr.dev/bzr
[21:49] <jam> And I still have a sys-installed one.
[21:49] <jam> Only real difference is that running from source may not find the system installed plugins.
[21:53] <nekohayo> jam it takes a helluva long time to bzr branch http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev bzr.dev, is there a way to get just the latest?
[21:53] <nekohayo> it's a pretty huge filesize too
[21:59] <nekohayo> bzr checkout --lightweight I guess
[22:00] <jam> nekohayo: sure, I'll also put up a tarball if you give me a couple seconds
[22:00] <nekohayo> jam oh why not :)
[22:08] <jam> nekohayo: http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/dev-snapshots/
[22:08] <jam> There is a bzr.dev-3394-tree-only.tar.bz2 there for you
[22:08] <nekohayo> thank you
[22:08] <jam> there is also a full snapshot with history (73MB, though)
[22:08] <nekohayo> and to think it's bzipped o_O
[22:10] <jam> nekohayo: well pack files are already gzipped
[22:10] <jam> bziping that doesn't help much
[22:12] <jam> unzipped is 96MB, though
[22:12] <jam> so it helped more than I though
[22:12] <jam> thought
[22:12] <jam> You know what, though, that also includes .pyc files
[22:12] <jam> as I didn't clean the tree first.
[22:27] <Mez> hmm, file operations seem to be a bit slow with lots of files in the branch
[22:28] <Mez> oh, no, just my PC running slow
[23:25] <nekohayo> urgh, I have a big question for you folks, I'm totally confused :) http://ecchi.ca:8000/bzr-question-spiced-ham.htm
[23:25] <nekohayo> I wrote it condensed into a small html page to avoid spamming the channel
[23:29] <igc> thanks Odd_Bloke
[23:37] <poolie> good morning
[23:38] <igc> morning poolie
[23:53] <vila> hi guys, can someone have a look at pqm site, it seems... slow ?
[23:53] <vila> It lloks like it always display the same tests (endind with 'tests passed') even when refreshing
[23:56] <jam> vila: what tests do you see? I see "LaunchpdaServiceTests"
[23:56] <jam> And a final "tests passed"
[23:56] <vila> some here
[23:57] <vila> same here :)
[23:57] <jam> I wonder if it is gearing up for running the ascii only versions
[23:58] <vila> I think I first saw that more than 15 minutes ago (at least), how long does it take to merge one request on average ?
[23:58] <jam> Well, there is also something funny on the PQM machine.
[23:59] <jam> Specifically I see:
[23:59] <jam> ...ServiceTests.test_environment_overrides_default   OK                 118ms
[23:59] <jam> running here on my (very new) laptop on Windows I see:
[23:59] <jam> ...lp_service.LaunchpadServiceTests.test_environment_overrides_default   OK                   3ms
[23:59] <jam> I don't know what is turning a 3ms test into a 118ms one
[23:59] <jam> but it isn't good