[18:06] <eclectic> Hello, I'm trying to get started recording music on ubuntu studio. but I skipped the md5sum check on system download, and now am having lots of app crashes, including firefox
[18:06] <eclectic> no md5sum on site for the 20.1 version, just for the 20
[18:07] <eclectic> I mean the 20.04.1 vs the 20.04.1
[18:10] <eclectic> sorry, 20.04.1 vs 20.04
[18:44] <eclectic_bill> hello, I could not find md5 checksum for 20.04.1 and so am wondering if my install is corrupt!!!
[18:49] <Eickmeyer> eclectic_bill: The md5sum should be at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/20.04.1/release/.
[19:06] <lilith931> Eickmeyer: I just talked to falkTX about the carla self connect issue when opening new programs using jack. He said it's because of the jack self-connect option. Is there any option to disable this in ubuntu studio?
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> lilith931: I just replied to you in #lad.


[07:54] <Se7h> yea
[07:54] <Se7h> i would if it had an ethernet port
[07:54] <Se7h> lol
[07:55] <Se7h> i could boot a small linux distro from fdd
[07:55] <Se7h> and play a bit on the network
[07:55] <socomm> Yes, you need some sort of fdd setup. Then have it go over the network and get it's boot image.
[07:55] <socomm> Just get a card on eBay.
[07:56] <toerli> hi
[07:56] <vijub> jgl: http://pctelcompdb.sourceforge.net/display.php
[07:58] <Se7h> http://www.batterysavings.com/s_3_7_245_42868/Toshiba-Satellite-Pro-T2155CDS-Laptops.aspx
[07:58] <Se7h> but i guess this is not the "pro" version
[08:02] <Vjaz> Hi. Anyone know if it's possible to make GNOME Terminal use a non-TTF font?
[08:02] <biatche> ubuntu 	The first preview release of Ubuntu Linux 5.04 is now available for download and testing <-- off distrowatch ... does this mean that there will be more than 1 preview?
[08:02] <Vjaz> Regular X fonts... I can see the font I want with xfontsel.
[08:03] <Razotter> uh, I wonder if anyone can help me. I got my ubuntu cds in the mail today, and when I boot off the live cd, all I get after the logo is a blank screen. I've never used linux before, so I'm a tad confused.
[08:03] <JStrike> Does ubuntu use xorg.conf?
[08:04] <Fator_Dee> hoary yes
[08:04] <Vjaz> JStrike: In Warty the stable version, no, but in the development version called Hoary, yes.
[08:04] <Razotter> anyone?
[08:04] <JStrike> hmm...This is strange then. I am unable to change my resolution from 640x480, even though the xorg.conf file has quite a few specified
[08:05] <Vjaz> JStrike: where in xorg.conf are they specified?
[08:06] <LinuxJones> Razotter, is the ubuntu cd in another computer right now ?
[08:06] <Razotter> unfortunately not.
[08:06] <JStrike> Vjaz : Under the Screen section
[08:07] <Razotter> I tried booting in a number of modes... failsafe and whatnot, but still the same. I tried a different set of disks and still the same. I can only guess its something about my hardware it doesn't like.
[08:07] <LinuxJones> Razotter, if you hit cdrl+alt+ F2 (I think) it should give some indication on where it's hanging. When you boot into the cd look to the help menu and see for sure where to look for message output
[08:07] <LinuxJones> Razotter, make that ctrl+alt+F2
[08:07] <Razotter> AMD 2000+xp, onboard Nvidia graphics card... *shrugs* I've tried just about everything to get it to work, and no luck. Just comes up after the progress bar with a black, blank screen.
[08:08] <Myrtti> Razotter: what kind of screen do you have?
[08:08] <Razotter> LG Studioworks 700S
[08:08] <LinuxJones> Razotter, I can't remember off the top of my head where to see the system messages
[08:08] <shuerlimann> i today downloaded hoary-preview-live-i386.iso, quite cool
[08:08] <Myrtti> TFT. LCD, CRT?
[08:08] <Vjaz> JStrike: JStrike There are several "Display" subsections there... do you have several resolutions in all of them, or at least the one that has the same depth as your default (probably 24)?
[08:08] <shuerlimann> but the screensaver is password protected
[08:08] <Razotter> Uh, I think CRT
[08:08] <shuerlimann> but I don't know the password:-(
[08:08] <Myrtti> Razotter: big, heavy thing?
[08:08] <Myrtti> not flat?
[08:08] <Razotter> yup
[08:09] <Myrtti> strange
[08:09] <shuerlimann> not sure if this makes sense for a live CD...
[08:09] <Myrtti> or perhaps not
[08:09] <JStrike> Vjaz: They have "Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"" for all the depths
[08:09] <Razotter> The progress bar and logo display just fine... it just doesn't do anything further.
[08:09] <Myrtti> refresh rates might have something to do with the issue
[08:09] <Razotter> fully loads, then blanks out.
[08:09] <Vjaz> JStrike: Ok... that's funny. What are your HorizSync and VertRefresh in the "Monitor" section?
[08:09] <JStrike>  HorizSync       28-33
[08:09] <JStrike>         VertRefresh     43-72
[08:10] <Razotter> Myrtti: is there a way I can alter the refresh rate on booting? I know 50 and 60Hz should work.
[08:10] <Myrtti> ^
[08:11] <netmonk> does anyone know why sometimes on my desktop appear the icons of the mounuted partitions, and sometimes they don't appear, even though they are monuted?
[08:11] <Myrtti> check the xorg.conf, and search for HorizSync and VertRefresh
[08:11] <Razotter> okay. thanks. I'll go give it a try.
[08:13] <kuene> re
[08:13] <png_> i do not have HorizSync and VertRefresh:)
[08:14] <dazed> how do i get a PIM list
[08:16] <kuene> $
[08:16] <JStrike> Ok. Trying something. Got to restart X
[08:17] <png_> netmonk, same happens to me. i wonder if :)
[08:18] <caliber> 09:14 <Yvebojm> Are you want free unlimited SMS ( Multimedia Message ) ? Then
[08:18] <caliber>                 click here => www.kontorler.tk
[08:18] <caliber> Yvebojm IS SPAMMING
[08:19] <Fator_Dee> :-\
[08:19] <dazed> caliber: lol oh really?
[08:21] <horay_tester> good evening all
[08:21] <caliber> Can someone tell me why uname -a says Linux i686, yet I compiled my kernel as ATHLON64 ?
[08:21] <Gfault> hi all
[08:21] <png_> caliber, did u rebooted
[08:21] <caliber> png_ lol yeah
[08:21] <Gfault> help me
[08:21] <horay_tester> by the way, I have Athlon M (32bit) which kernel should I install??
[08:22] <Gfault> how remove name ubuntu for other name ?
[08:22] <caliber> Gfault: what the hell are you talking about
[08:22] <png_> Gfault, which name
[08:22] <Gfault> png_: project V
[08:22] <Gfault> png_: university
[08:22] <Myrtti> still no coherency
[08:23] <Gfault> cafuego: i from brazil
[08:24] <hawke_> Gfault: 'sudo base-config' if you mean the system hostname...
[08:24] <Gfault> caliber: im  from brazil
[08:24] <png`idLe> Gfault, no idea
[08:25] <Gfault> png`idLe: exist kubuntu based KDE ?
[08:27] <Gfault> png`idLe: hawke: it is possible to custom ubuntu live ?
[08:29] <alex_macgillivra> Anyone: (I am using warty) I have noticed that the dbus daemon is not terminating with my gnome session.  Thus, I tend to accumulate "stale" dbus processes which must be killed manually.  Does anyone know of a fix for this problem?
[08:29] <oneday> hey hey all.
[08:29] <oneday> im using the gnome live cd , looks nic
[08:29] <oneday> nice
[08:30] <neom> I tried to install lipstik last night and it totally scrwed up everything kicker related, haha, actually.. it screwed up lots of things, kcontrol included. Anyway, amu helped me jumped up to 3.4 and it seems to all be working again.
[08:30] <neom> However, I am missing a lot of the menus that I had on kicker before, such as Systems Tools, Applications, Games, etc etc. Is it possable to get those menus back without manually adding everything as that would be a PITA.
[08:31] <Gfault> The ubuntu is based in Knoppix ?
[08:31] <hawke_> Gfault: no
[08:31] <NobleArc> A lot of the time when I try to install stuff through apt in hoary, it complains that the packages cannot be authenticated. (even ubuntu-artwork can't be authenticated.)  In warty, this wasn't a problem.  Should I be concerned, or just install the stuff anyway?
[08:31] <hawke_> Gfault: on Debian
[08:31] <hawke_> Gfault: Knoppix is also based on debian
[08:32] <Gfault> sorry, The ubuntu-LIVE is based in Knoppix ?
[08:32] <Gfault> exist ubuntu + KDE ?
[08:32] <Tuxadermist> Gfault, yes, its called Kubuntu
[08:32] <nu2ubuntu> hello
[08:33] <NobleArc> ...
[08:33] <shuerlimann> gfault: ubuntu-LIVE isn't based on Knoppix
[08:33] <dazed> no gfault...knoppix is based on debian as well as ubuntu is based on debian ..the differences is the desktop managers knoppix uses KDM (konqueror or something desktop manager) Ubuntu uses GDM (gnome desktop manager)
[08:33] <dazed> i misunderstood
[08:33] <Gfault> Tuxadermist: where ?
[08:33] <dazed> lol
[08:34] <NobleArc> =\
[08:34] <shuerlimann> gfault: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[08:34] <Gfault> Tuxadermist: where kubuntu-Live ?
[08:34] <hawke_> dazed: It's "K desktop manager" ... but the dm doesn't matter, that's just the login screen.  you're thinking of the desktop environment (KDE vs. GNOME)
[08:34] <oly> hum, is there anyway to import a .adr contact list into evolution ?
[08:34] <shuerlimann> gfault: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[08:34] <nu2ubuntu> I've recently installed ubuntu, and used synaptic to get gsnes9x up and running.  Now I'd like to use an xbox controller with usb adapter to play games and I'm wondering: Does Warty have xbox controller support compiled into its kernel?
[08:34] <Tuxadermist> there :)
[08:34] <Gfault> Kubunto + KDE cool
[08:35] <VladDrac> kool
[08:35] <NobleArc> ...
[08:35] <dazed> hawke: ur right
[08:35] <dazed> my miswording
[08:35] <dazed> lol
[08:36] <hawke_> dazed: And the K doesn't stand for anything. :-D
[08:36] <dazed> werd
[08:36] <dazed> thought it did
[08:36] <VladDrac> the K stands for Kool, but after a while they realized how lame that was, so now it's just 'K'
[08:37] <VladDrac> (there already was CDE, common desktop environment, back then)
[08:37] <neom> Well now we've established I'm using kubuntu, any suggestions as to my problem?
[08:37] <Gfault> How custom Kubuntu-Live ?
[08:38] <NobleArc> A lot of the time when I try to install stuff through apt in hoary, it complains that the packages cannot be authenticated. (even ubuntu-artwork can't be authenticated.)  In warty, this wasn't a problem.  Should I be concerned, or just install the stuff anyway?
[08:38] <nu2ubuntu> anyone know anything about ubuntu and xbox controller support?
[08:39] <nu2ubuntu> I can't find anything online, not even google helped
[08:40] <paulicat> nu2ubuntu - does it load a module when you plug it in?
[08:40] <paulicat> The module may be called xpad
[08:40] <nu2ubuntu> paulicat: it didn't do anything when I plugged it in
[08:40] <paulicat> can you try sudo modprobe xpad?
[08:41] <nu2ubuntu> I can do that
[08:41] <nu2ubuntu> 1 sec
[08:41] <Coily> if i wanted to have logs sent from my router, could i use a local smtp server (is there already one set up)?
[08:42] <nu2ubuntu> modprobe xpad didn't do anything in the root console.  It just gave me another prompt
[08:42] <Coily> anyone?
[08:43] <jazzka> hi, I have ubuntu stable installed on my hard drive, but I want to install Ubuntu Hoary into an external usb-hard drive
[08:43] <DazeD||laptop> hey i have 2 quick questions...i run fluxbox...and i was wondering what the best way to use the nautalis file explorer on fluxbox...?
[08:43] <jazzka> is it possible? would grub underestand usb?
[08:43] <DazeD||laptop> and the other question is how do u make it so when u click a folder in nautalis it opens in the same window
[08:43] <NobleArc> DazeD||laptop: nautilus --no-desktop
[08:43] <paulicat> do dmesg | grep xpad
[08:44] <NobleArc> and I'd like to know the answer to that myself, DazeD||laptop. :P
[08:44] <dazed> lol noblearc its a pain isnt it
[08:44] <schweeb> I think there's a config option for it
[08:44] <schweeb> don't know where it's located
[08:44] <nu2ubuntu> gave me this
[08:44] <schweeb> but
[08:44] <NobleArc> you can do it in gconf, that's all I know.
[08:44] <nu2ubuntu> nm
[08:44] <Fator_Dee> edit -> preferences ->
[08:44] <schweeb> gconf is how I know how to do it
[08:44] <moondust> Coily: you probably want to set up a syslog server for that
[08:44] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, you have to fire up gconf-editor
[08:44] <Fator_Dee> behaviour ->
[08:45] <nu2ubuntu> said it registered new driver
[08:45] <paulicat> Cool...so what app you wanna use it in again?
[08:45] <dazed> linuxjones: im new to linux kinda so like once i fire it up then what lol
[08:45] <nu2ubuntu> gsnes9x
[08:45] <_d4vid> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:45] <_d4vid> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:45] <_d4vid> why ?
[08:45] <Coily> moondust, is there a package for that? or is it simpler
[08:45] <NobleArc> I'm having the same problem, _d4vid.  It keeps complaining.
[08:45] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, it's under apps>>nautilus >> Preferences check "always use browser"
[08:45] <moondust> Coily, syslog is standard on any linux installation
[08:46] <moondust> just set it up to accept logs from the network
[08:46] <DazeD||laptop> ok thanks
[08:46] <_d4vid> NobleArc, ok
[08:46] <moondust> you might want to look into setting up syslog-ng if you're going to do a lot of logging
[08:46] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, I don't run fluxbox so I can't help with the other question ;)
[08:46] <Coily> moondust, thanks
[08:46] <_d4vid> ubuntu servers hacked ? (packet missing.. changed ?)
[08:47] <DazeD||laptop> lol sall good
[08:47] <DazeD||laptop> for anyone who does run fluxbox do u have problems with loading ur gnome theme when starting flux?
[08:47] <schweeb> dazed: you have to start gnome-settings-daemon
[08:48] <DazeD||laptop> schweeb: thats giberrissh to me lol
 mdz: permission to upload quagga (postinst changed permissions) and zsh (tab-completion for makefiles) ?
 shaya: use us.archive.ubuntu.com
 that works
[08:49] <bdale> shipit.ubuntu.com doesn't have a way to request ia64 cd's yet?
[08:49] <jbailey> bdale: ia64 isn't targetted at hoary, it didn't make the cut.
[08:49] <bdale> jbailey: it's in the preview release
[08:49] <Aapzak> hey, I'm being spammed by dcjfna
[08:50] <Tomcat_> The Hoary Preview rocks btw. :o
[08:51] <Tomcat_> Congrats for this.
[08:51] <Aapzak> does it have gnome 2.10
[08:51] <BugSlayer> hi all
[08:51] <_d4vid> NobleArc, use us.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <DazeD||laptop> schweeb: how do i start gnome-settings-deabeon
[08:51] <Tomcat_> Aapzak: Yes.
[08:51] <Aapzak> kewl
[08:51] <guerby> hi, I'm new to ubuntu/debian, is there an easy way to see the list of packages of the upcoming ubuntu release (with their source version) on the web?
[08:51] <Tomcat_> Since today. :D
[08:51] <guerby> I've only played with the live CD yet
[08:52] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, hit alt + F2 and start typing it should auto-complete for you
[08:52] <jbailey> bdale: I'm going off of Matt's email to ubuntu-devel, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=78594&postcount=4
[08:52] <BugSlayer> hi, installed ubuntu today. Last time i've used Linux (debian testing) i had the same Problem with gnome: when i reboot the icons in the taskbar change their places sometimes even the taskbars
[08:53] <NobleArc> o_O
[08:53] <Tomcat_> BugSlayer: Tried locking them?
[08:53] <bryan> anyone else getting spammed about SMS messages?
[08:53] <DazeD||laptop> alt+f2 adn start typing what? in what?
[08:53] <DazeD||laptop> my terminal?
[08:53] <Aapzak> bryan, yeah, I put him on my ignore list
[08:54] <NobleArc> you're in flux, right DazeD||laptop?  If so, alt f2 does nothing. :P  In GNOME it opens the run menu.
[08:54] <DazeD||laptop> ohlol
[08:54] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, you know the run dialog in windows ?
[08:54] <NobleArc> if you need a run menu, you can install grun through apt.
[08:54] <DazeD||laptop> thats what u meant
[08:54] <DazeD||laptop> onemin
[08:54] <bdale> jbailey: that sucks, but oh well.  I suggest someone update the text at http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ to reflect this, then.  ia64 appears to be a fully supported arch for hoary, and sparc isn't visible at all.
[08:55] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, Linux has one too hit alt + F2 and type gnome-settings-daemon
[08:55] <BugSlayer> :( mh i love gnome but this problem sucks
[08:55] <jbailey> bdale: Thanks, I'll figure out who updates that and get it done.
[08:55] <DazeD||laptop> i was on flux whe i hit alt f2
[08:55] <DazeD||laptop> lol
[08:55] <bdale> jbailey: feel free to have the change be that ia64 *is* supported for hoary, of course.  ;-)
[08:55] <jbailey> bdale: *lol*
[08:56] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, or you can start it in a terminal it doesn't really matter
[08:56] <HiddenWolf> bdale: ia64 was put together, but isn't an official build yet; i believe so far no-one has downloaded it. Sparc isn't nearly done yet
[08:56] <bdale> HiddenWolf: I'm about to download ia64 and take it for a test drive, fwiw
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> my run application freezes whenever i loadit?
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> thats never happened before
[08:57] <NobleArc> o_O
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> there it goes
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> nm
[08:57] <NobleArc> lol.
[08:57] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, did you do a system upgrade since installing Ubuntu ?
[08:57] <HiddenWolf> bdale: you might well be the first lucky soul, perhaps the only, perhaps the last. ;)
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> linuxJones: just finished like 2 days ago
[08:58] <bdale> HiddenWolf: given the interest I heard from the Gelato community, I doubt I'll be the last.
[08:58] <DazeD||laptop> once i type that in the run application should it bring anything up or just save my settings?
[08:58] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, ok, you might want to have a look @ www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:58] <NobleArc> as far as I know, gnome-settings-daemon loads your settings..?
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> bdale: what are you running ia64 for?
[08:59] <DazeD||laptop> linuxJones: im there all the time
[08:59] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, no nothing should come up
[08:59] <BugSlayer> i'll try
[08:59] <DazeD||laptop> ok well than let me check if it loads my settings when flux starts
[08:59] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, ok good there is alot of great stuff there for users new to Ubuntu
[08:59] <djp> anybody here use mjpegtools, dvd:rip, avidemux etc...?
[08:59] <bdale> HiddenWolf: do you know what my day job is?
[09:00] <Fator_Dee> djp: what are you trying to do?
[09:00] <DazeD||laptop> still didnt laod my theme when i started flux but when i goto the control center and click themes it loads my theme immediately without even have to select a theme
[09:01] <HiddenWolf> bdale: I don't know you, no. :)
[09:02] <bdale> HiddenWolf: ok, just checking to make sure you weren't trolling.  Part of my job is making Linux work well on ia64.
[09:03] <HiddenWolf> bdale: I'm a lot of things, including clueless, but never a troll
[09:03] <djp> Fator_Dee: well, i want to be able to create vcd or svcds from avi files etc... i used tovid to do this with fedora core 3 but since moving to ubuntu i have had no end of problems getting the required packages to work! mjpegtools will not install on my warty box here :(
[09:03] <NobleArc> How exactly would I go about installing transcode in Hoary?  It doesn't seem to be in universe.
[09:03] <jesuel> bdale: as a volunteer? or get paid to do this.? lol :)
[09:04] <bdale> HiddenWolf: I was one of the folks who initiated the Debian port to ia64.
[09:04] <bdale> jesuel: both at different times
[09:04] <Gfault> How custom Kubuntu-Live ?
[09:05] <HiddenWolf> bdale: is there actually a market for ia64-distro's?
[09:05] <NobleArc> I can find a tonne of frontends for transcode (dvdrip, gtranscode, etc) but not transcode itself. o_O
[09:05] <jesuel> HiddenWolf: yes
[09:05] <Aapzak> HiddenWolf, bdale, is ia64 the same as amd64?
[09:05] <HiddenWolf> aapzak: no
[09:05] <jesuel> Aapzak: nope
[09:05] <bdale> Aapzak: no
[09:06] <jesuel> lol
[09:06] <Aapzak> what is ia64 then?
[09:06] <Aapzak> :)
[09:06] <krebis> i`m using Ubuntu Live now, its very good ... :)
[09:06] <Tomcat_> krebis: Yeah! :D
[09:06] <HiddenWolf> aapzak: itanium
[09:06] <Aapzak> krebis, off course it is
[09:06] <Aapzak> Intel
[09:06] <Aapzak> real intel
[09:06] <jesuel> blah :)
[09:06] <krebis> my hd its problem ...
[09:06] <Aapzak> server stuff probably?
[09:06] <jesuel> yea
[09:07] <paulicat> Anyone in here notice when you burn a cd with nautilus that auto mount doesn't work anymore??
[09:07] <HiddenWolf> jesuel: are there ia64 desktops in existance?
[09:07] <jesuel> HiddenWolf: sgi made a few that i remember
[09:07] <Aapzak> paulicat, no, but it could be good practice, so automount does not screw up your burning session
[09:08] <paulicat> Yea, but thats not proper behaviour, this didn't occur in warty...
[09:08] <Aapzak> and no probs while burning either?
[09:08] <paulicat> Nope
[09:08] <jesuel> HiddenWolf: I personally was still using a indy at the time, in fact I still do use the indy
[09:09] <paulicat> I burnt my hoary cd in warty
[09:09] <paulicat> I guess you'
[09:09] <paulicat> Opps
[09:09] <androxxl> hello can anyone tell me what means this hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[09:09] <androxxl> hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
[09:09] <Aapzak> ehhh, did we have an update?
[09:09] <paulicat> 've never used nautilus to burn an iso??
[09:09] <Aapzak> nope
[09:09] <paulicat> LOL
[09:09] <Aapzak> :)
[09:09] <paulicat> Am I the only one who finds this convenient??
[09:10] <paulicat> Right click and write to cd...
[09:10] <HrdwrBoB> no, it's great
[09:10] <paulicat> It cant get any better than that
[09:10] <mz2> how do i reset the library of albums i have in muine?
[09:10] <Aapzak> windows made me affraid of 'handy' things like burning from explorer, I rather use k3b
[09:10] <paulicat> HrdwrBoB, does your automount stop after writing a cd in hoary?
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> paulicat: to be honest I'm not sure, but I don't think so
[09:11] <paulicat> Dude, Gnome aint windows, that burning thing they put it XP is the biggest piece o crap...
[09:12] <paulicat> But gnomes worked quite well up until the utopia stuff..well, the cd's still burn but it screws up something in Utopia...
[09:13] <queuetue> Hello - I'm using mpd (music player daemon) under hoary, andI can't figure out what ao_driver am I supposed to use... When mpd with ao_driver="alsa09" is playing, it works fine,  but all other sounds get "lost"...
[09:15] <krebis> i`ve want help contribuit with ubuntu in portuguese ... How collaborates developers ???
[09:16] <internenet> salut , il y a des francais ici ?
[09:16] <thully> join #kanotix
[09:17] <goldfish> internenet: #ubuntu-fr
[09:17] <internenet> thanks goldfish :)
[09:17] <grimborg_> hi
[09:20] <grimborg_> i've just installed ubuntu hoary but the kernel it comes with won't let me mount the root partition. it looks like a problem with /dev, because VFS complains about not being able to mount /dev/hda5, which, it says, is block (0,0) (and those are not the real major/minor for /dev/hda5.) is this a known bug? any known solution? thanks!
[09:20] <schweeb> grimborg_: are you using the ubuntu kernel and did you use their initrd?
[09:21] <paulicat> Grimborg - Maybe a step during your partitioning??
[09:21] <paulicat> Did you set the right / partition?
[09:21] <Aapzak> boys and girls ... I use warty in my repositories, is there a newer release?
[09:21] <paulicat> Hoary
[09:21] <Ribs> Hoary isn't finished yet tho
[09:21] <schweeb> Aapzak: it's a preview release
[09:21] <Ribs> so beware
[09:21] <paulicat> Yea...
[09:21] <grimborg_> schweeb, the installer said nothing about an initrd.. let me check the /boot dir (i'm doing dual boot with another gnu/linux so i didn't allow the ubuntu installer to config its own grub)
[09:22] <Aapzak> but I can dist-upgrade?
[09:22] <paulicat> But for the most part, its pretty stable
[09:22] <moondust> if you're familiar with linux (and debian :) then hoary works fine
[09:22] <paulicat> You could...
[09:22] <schweeb> grimborg_: which is probably your problem
[09:22] <Aapzak> just like debian, change the repository and upgrade?
[09:22] <schweeb> Aapzak: yea
[09:22] <paulicat> Yea
[09:22] <Aapzak> wow
[09:22] <moondust> yeah, exactly like debian, in fact. funny that, eh?
[09:22] <Aapzak> :)
[09:22] <paulicat> lol
[09:22] <Aapzak> I love the Debian way
[09:22] <grimborg_> schweeb, yes, it seems you're right. i'm going to try it right now. Thanks a lot and sorry for the silly question :)
[09:22] <|QuaD-> is apache's authentication secure?
[09:23] <Burn`> how can I install nvidia drivers for my ubuntu hoary system amd64 bit?
[09:23] <schweeb> grimborg_: for future reference
[09:23] <Aapzak> does it install xorg instead of xfree?
[09:23] <paulicat> yea, 6.8.2
[09:23] <schweeb> grimborg_: whenever you have a root mount problem, the first thing you check is generally the initrd
[09:23] <Aapzak> no probs with the change?
[09:23] <Burn`> how can I install nvidia drivers for my ubuntu hoary system amd64 bit?
[09:23] <paulicat> none so far...
[09:23] <meuserj|work> Burn`, make sure that you have the linux-restricted-modules package for the kernel that you are using
[09:23] <Aapzak> thats great!
[09:23] <Aapzak> let's do it!
[09:23] <paulicat> but I didnt do a dist upgrade, i installed from array 5 cd
[09:24] <meuserj|work> Burn`, and install nvidia-glx
[09:24] <grimborg_> well there it goes :)
[09:24] <Aapzak> ow, I will dist-upgrade
[09:24] <Burn`> meuserj|work: euhm
[09:24] <Burn`> whick linux-restricted?
[09:24] <paulicat> It should be fine as hoary is quite stable right now.l..
[09:24] <schweeb> dist-upgrading might cause a few problems you'll have to take care of
[09:24] <Aapzak> I always ran Debian Unstable, I will be fine with hoary I think?
[09:25] <moondust> ah, yeah, you'll be just fine
[09:25] <schweeb> yea, should be fine
[09:25] <Aapzak> lemme check the forums
[09:25] <schweeb> just saying, there's a few issues you may need to deal with
[09:25] <schweeb> like xfree might still be installed and such
[09:25] <Aapzak> ah, I've never been a fan of issues :)
[09:26] <HiddenWolf> the day xfree dies. :P
[09:26] <Aapzak> nice :D
[09:26] <paulicat> is there a hoary channel??
[09:26] <schweeb> no
[09:26] <paulicat> cool...thanks...
[09:28] <paulicat> Ok, so Ill ask my question one more time, a little bit more general this time...has anyone burnt a cd using nautilus?
[09:28] <paulicat> Anyone willing to test burn a cdrw??
[09:28] <desrt> how do i search for pacakges?
[09:28] <Vjaz> Oooh. Muine is a nice music player.
[09:28] <Vjaz> paulicat: I've successfully burned an ISO image to a CDRW.
[09:29] <desrt> for example, i want to install quicklounge, so i say 'apt-get install quick-lounge-applet'
[09:29] <desrt> and apt gives some confusing message about Package quick-lounge-applet is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:29] <paulicat> VJaz, did auto mount work after you burnt the cd?
[09:29] <Vjaz> paulicat: Hm... I don't remember. I guess.
[09:29] <paulicat> Also, are you using hoary?
[09:29] <Vjaz> paulicat: If you mean automounting the CD I burned. I had it open the CD tray and I took it out.
[09:30] <Vjaz> paulicat: Hm... I'm on Hoary now... I'm not sure I was when I burned the CD though.
[09:30] <Vjaz> desrt: apt-cache search quicklounge
[09:30] <moondust> paulicat: i've burned about 30 or so cds from nautilus under hoary
[09:30] <Aapzak> cu guys in a sec, I will dist-upgrade from console ...
[09:30] <paulicat> I mean, after the burn is finished, it ejects the cd, you close the cd drawer to load the cd, and in my case, hal/dbus/g-v-m does not mount the cd auto...
[09:30] <biatche> ubuntu 	The first preview release of Ubuntu Linux 5.04 is now available for download and testing <-- off distrowatch ... does this mean that there will be more than 1 preview?
[09:31] <Vjaz> desrt: apt-cache is the program for displaying info about packages... there's also "apt-cache show" which is handy for getting details
[09:31] <desrt> cool.  thanks.
[09:31] <wob> Hello all! Can Anyone explain me why there's Ubuntu (for Gnome) + Kubuntu ( KDE) instead of one Ubuntu (e.g 2 CDs or 1 DVD) which asks on installation which Destop should be default? Is this planned for future releases?
[09:31] <paulicat> This worked under warty fine...but its stopped in hoary
[09:31] <Vjaz> paulicat: I think it worked, but I'm not 100% sure.
[09:31] <djp> any advise on why i cannot install mjpegtools under warty?
[09:31] <Vjaz> paulicat: But yeah, I might've been in Warty, so it's not of much help. Sorry.
[09:32] <paulicat> Lol, no probes
[09:32] <paulicat> no probs...
[09:32] <Vjaz> wob: Kubuntu is not official I think.
[09:32] <rapha> Hmm
[09:32] <paulicat> Anyone willing to burn a small cdrw in hoary?
[09:32] <Riddell> wob: what would be the advantage in that?
[09:32] <Riddell> Vjaz: kubuntu is official
[09:32] <Vjaz> Riddell: ah ok
[09:33] <Vjaz> wob: Well I guess if Kubuntu is official, the thing is that it would be confusing to beginners if you had to choose stuff like that in the installation.
[09:33] <wob> Riddell: A lot of people like to chose their Desktop environment.
[09:33] <Vjaz> wob: And a lot of people don't.
[09:33] <bzbb> how do I mount a USB flash device?
[09:33] <Vjaz> wob: And if you give them an option, it's confusing.
[09:33] <Riddell> wob: then you now have that choice to make
[09:33] <paulicat> bzbb its supposed to automount it
[09:34] <Riddell> Vjaz: you don't choose it in the installation
[09:34] <Vjaz> Riddell: I know, that's what wob was asking about.
[09:34] <bzbb> I'm using KDE in hoary, BTW
[09:34] <wob> so you say users are to stupid to decide what they want? e.g. an expert installation or a standart installation.
[09:34] <Vjaz> Riddell: I think it shouldn't be an option in the installation, which is the current situation. I understand wob was suggesting you should have an option during installation.
[09:35] <Vjaz> wob: Well I think it's a stupid idea to make Ubuntu two CD's big just so that the experts who like KDE can get it.
[09:35] <Riddell> Vjaz: tis' not an option in the installation, it's an option long before you start installation
[09:35] <Vjaz> Riddell: Yes, I know. Are you listening to me at all?
[09:35] <Vjaz> Riddell: wob was suggesting that it should be an option during the installation, and I said it would be confusing if it was so
[09:36] <Riddell> Vjaz: ah, well in that case you're right :)
[09:36] <thully> maybe it'd be a good idea to have a DVD w/both?
[09:36] <Vjaz> thully: A lot of people don't have DVD drives.
[09:36] <thully> so, the CDs would also be available
[09:36] <Vjaz> thully: And besides, nobody really wants both.
[09:37] <Vjaz> thully: Well I guess some might, but most want just one or the other.
[09:37] <thully> people do use KDE stuff on GNOME - k3b, for instance - it's useful to have all of main on 1 CD
[09:37] <thully> DVD
[09:37] <Vjaz> thully: Is K3B in main?
[09:37] <bzbb> its not appearing
[09:38] <Vjaz> Ah, so it seems.
[09:38] <Amaranth> i thought it was going to be in hoary
[09:38] <thully> yes - alone w/rest of KDE
[09:38] <Vjaz> ah, ok
[09:38] <thully> you have to enable the apt internet sources - it isn't on the CD
[09:40] <Slaven> back on Gentoo my cam used to be /dev/sda
[09:41] <Vjaz> thully: I guess that's a point.
[09:41] <Slaven> in Ubuntu, I can't find that particular device.
[09:42] <wob> Ubutu at present semms to me like a Debian personal edition. I like to chose which Programs to install (in addition to a standart desktop). So there are a lot of small tools i easily can install from a Debian 3.1 DVD. But which of cause don't fit on one CD. But with DVD getting cheaper and cheaper disk space can't be an argument.
[09:42] <Slaven> nvm
[09:42] <bryan> oh got, i havn't even tried to get my cam working
[09:42] <Vjaz> thully: although it's still overkill, because most people who do want extra packages from KDE want only one or two of them...
[09:42] <bryan> my brain would explode
[09:42] <Slaven> I just got it working :D
[09:42] <Slaven> always worked well.
[09:42] <tims> I for one, like Debian Personal Edition (Ubuntu)
[09:42] <Slaven> with Linux.
[09:43] <schweeb> wob: do you have dialup internet or something?
[09:43] <Slaven> but in Gentoo it needed a reboot before being able to connect to the computer again.
[09:43] <VladDrac> anyone here used nautilus' cd/dvd creator?
[09:43] <schweeb> there are just as many packages in ubuntu's apt archives as debian's
[09:43] <wob> schweeb: mostly yes
[09:43] <Vjaz> thully: And given that those people are usually experts who know what they want anyways and know how to get it.
[09:43] <schweeb> other applications are just a mouse click/command line away
[09:43] <schasi> schweeb: depends on how you count
[09:43] <schasi> if you take all the archs of debian in account... ;-)
[09:44] <schweeb> that would be asinine
[09:44] <schweeb> esp seeing as most of the packages are generated for all arches... so they wouldn't be diff pkgs... just the same pkg for diff arches
[09:44] <wob> I know that all exists in Ubuntus apt-repositories but there is no DVD Image
[09:44] <blizah> i edited a photo in gimp and now gimp starts up and opens the picture i edited every time i login
[09:44] <blizah> ow do i stop this
[09:44] <desrt> why isn't bluecurve in universe?
[09:44] <Vjaz> thully: If you give three options to "regular" people: 1. Ubuntu (recommended) 2. Kubuntu (use this if you want KDE) 3. Ubuntu+Kubuntu on DVD (gives you choice of either) , I think most regular people who don't know the difference would still get the DVD because it's "better".
[09:45] <schasi> I'd like to get kubuntu
[09:45] <Vjaz> thully: Which either costs Canonical a lot of money to press CDs, or makes the people waste their bandwidth.
[09:45] <schasi> Because i dont know that yet
[09:45] <VladDrac> blizah: find the session management part somewhere in your computer menu
[09:46] <akrabat> I thought there was a ubuntu dvd containing all of main?  Had a feeling that it's built once per week
[09:46] <thully> there is, but it doesn't have KDE
[09:46] <thully> just GNOME+all non-KDE stuff
[09:46] <akrabat> ah... yeah that's in universe
[09:47] <thully> no - it's in main
[09:47] <akrabat> is it?
[09:47] <blizah> vladdrac k found it but still dont see anything dealing w/ gimp
[09:47] <akrabat> oh!
[09:47] <thully> check it - you have to enable the online apt source to see it
[09:47] <wob> Canonical could focus on one Standart version (Gnome Destop). But just Because Canonical would not be able to distribute it cant be an argument against a DVD version.
[09:47] <thully> if you're not running kubuntu
[09:47] <akrabat> I believe you  :)
[09:48] <schweeb> wob: there is in fact a DVD image
[09:48] <schweeb> although, I'm not sure as to its contents
[09:48] <bryan> there are dvds
[09:48] <thully> yes - there are, agreed.  But they don't have all of main
[09:48] <paulicat> VladDrac Im using nautilus for cd's
[09:48] <akrabat> gnome question: how do you add your own folders to the new "places" menu ?
[09:48] <thully> Even GNOME users have a use for KDE packages - k3b for instance
[09:49] <wob> Ok, I'm sorry I searched but havent found any DVD-Images yet.
[09:49] <schweeb> all of main is larger than a single DVD, I'm pretty sure
[09:49] <akrabat> I'm really failing at using google today :(
[09:49] <bryan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/current/
[09:49] <wob> bryan: thank you
[09:49] <thully> I don't think Nautilus burns audio CD
[09:49] <bryan> np, wob
[09:49] <paulicat> no, just data
[09:50] <Vjaz> K3B is clunky.
[09:50] <Vjaz> But that's just my opinion, I know a lot of people like it and use it even in Gnome.
[09:50] <paulicat> akrabat, in the file chooser box, use the add button, it will add the folder in the chooser and in the places menu
[09:51] <jeramy> It sticks out like a sore thumb, but K3B is the easiest to use
[09:51] <Simplondio> Hello
[09:51] <VladDrac> paulicat: burning as well?
[09:51] <Simplondio> im argentine
[09:51] <wob> bryan: nice DVDs but there's no KDE on them.
[09:51] <Vjaz> thully: it's only a matter of time before audio suppport is coded in
[09:51] <paulicat> yea...
[09:51] <VladDrac> paulicat: it doesn't seem to recognize writable cd's in mine (cdrecord just burns fine)
[09:51] <akrabat> paulicat: thanks, but where's the filechooser box when I have the parent folder of the folder I want to add open as a spatial window?
[09:52] <VladDrac> could be a permission problem perhaps?
[09:52] <schweeb> wob: kde is kubuntu's bag
[09:52] <Simplondio> who are you?
[09:52] <paulicat> Graveman does a nice job for audio cd's
[09:52] <thully> It doesn't do multisession also
[09:52] <schweeb> wob: I think kubuntu generates their own images
[09:52] <paulicat> akrabat, you have to open an app, say gedit, I dont know of any other way to get to the chooser
[09:52] <akrabat> ah!
[09:53] <envel> Hello!
[09:53] <Simplondio> what is software with ubuntu include?
[09:53] <paulicat> The problem Im having is after I write a cd with nautilus, automount does not work anymore until reboot
[09:53] <envel> Please tell me how to make grub to boot windows
[09:53] <akrabat> it never crossed my mind to open gedit  :)
[09:53] <envel> sorry for my english
[09:53] <paulicat> akrabat, lol...it happens ;-)
[09:54] <envel> hey,guys
[09:54] <schweeb> welp, looks like there are no DVDs generated of kubuntu
[09:54] <akrabat> envel: edit /boot/grub/menu.list
[09:54] <envel> ok, i'll take a look
[09:54] <envel> thanks
[09:54] <schweeb> if you want KDE, and a ton of apps... have both the ubuntu DVD and the kubuntu CD
[09:54] <akrabat> envel: look for the line "default  0" and change to "default  saved"
[09:54] <schweeb> you can use the CDs as apt archives
[09:54] <envel> what does it mean?
[09:55] <akrabat> envel: then grub will remember which menu option you choose last time
[09:55] <wob> schweeb: I think this whole Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu thing is more confusing than distributing KDE in Ubuntu
[09:56] <paulicat> I like it separated so that they can distinguish between the two d/e's
[09:56] <schweeb> wob: Canonical supports and releases Ubuntu with GNOME, for standardization
[09:57] <schweeb> wob: kubuntu is a set of volunteers who maintain KDE for Ubuntu
[09:57] <paulicat> hey blahrus!
[09:57] <blahrus> anyone having issues connecting to the update?
[09:57] <thully> has anybody noticed that GNOME in the last few versions has started to look a lot like the Classic Mac OS?
[09:57] <blahrus> paulicat: hey whats up
[09:57] <paulicat> dude, do readcd dev=/dev/cdrom or whatever your rom drive is
[09:57] <blahrus> do I need to sudo?
[09:57] <paulicat> default readcd goes to /dev/sg*
[09:58] <paulicat> nope
[09:58] <akrabat> thully: in what sense?  single tasking with a common menu at the top ?!
[09:58] <wob> schweeb: so KDE wont be in Ubuntu because it would make Support a lot more complicated?
[09:58] <paulicat> just do readcd dev=/dev/cdrom
[09:58] <queuetue> akrabat, No, I think he means monochrome.
[09:58] <Marble2> is hoary official, no longer in beta now?
[09:58] <queuetue> Sorry, quadrachrome.
[09:58] <thully> and widgets and CD icons appearing on the desktop, as wellas spatial navigation
[09:58] <schweeb> wob: well a) having the option for both on one CD is one more question for users to get confused on
[09:58] <daniels> bdale: it's probably just lamont inflating the stats
[09:59] <kayali> hello
[09:59] <bdale> daniels: heh
[09:59] <thully> I thought I heard somewhere that some former Mac OS engineers worked on part of GNOME
[09:59] <nictuku> Hi. Is "ifconfig eth0:1 <ip> netmask <mask> up" really enough to create an alias? It's not pinging from a remote address..
[09:59] <queuetue> thully, Ximian were mac UI guys.
[09:59] <queuetue> No, not ximian...
[09:59] <nictuku> I mean, aliased ethernet address
[09:59] <queuetue> Which comapny built nautilus?
[09:59] <kayali> anyone can point me to some info about Ubuntu's init scripts and how to mannage them? like deciding what to start at boot time, etc... ?
[09:59] <akrabat> I still haven't decided if I like spatial or not
[09:59] <queuetue> They were mac guys.
[10:00] <schweeb> nictuku: you could use the iproute2 package to make virtual addresses on the same real interface
[10:00] <akrabat> now that they have fixed the "file browser" title bar so that the folder is first, that's become usable too
[10:00] <jeramy> Anyone else feel the need for a program that manages startup services?
[10:00] <Simplondio> this distro include serves? who apache or samba
[10:00] <bdale> jeramy: you mean vi?
[10:00] <djp> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=02442#0
[10:00] <raz0> So.. Which packages do I have to apt-get to make mp3 and movie playback work in rhythmbox/totem player in Hoary?
[10:01] <schweeb> nictuku: ip addr add x.x.x.x dev eth0
[10:01] <nictuku> hmmm
[10:01] <jeramy> bdale, heh.  No, I mean some GUI app that lets you, say, have sshd not start up.  :)
[10:01] <akrabat> bdale: you've misspelt vim !
[10:01] <schweeb> then to list, ip adr list eth0
[10:01] <schweeb> er addr
[10:01] <envel> thanks!
[10:01] <envel> to akrabaty
[10:01] <kayali> raz0: last time I tried hoary, it was still the only distro I know that can't play mp3 or xvid... left a kinda strange impression to my ibook ;)
[10:01] <nictuku> schweeb: I'll try that one. Thank you very much.
[10:01] <Simplondio> this distro include serves? who apache or samba
[10:01] <akrabat> np envel :)
[10:01] <schweeb> Simplondio: ya
[10:01] <bdale> akrabat: vim is a 4-letter word
[10:02] <Simplondio> what?
[10:02] <thully> oh yeah,and they also have "Force Quit" which is also what the Mac calls killing an application
[10:02] <schweeb> Simplondio: it includes apache, samba, and most other regular server services
[10:02] <akrabat> thully  :)  is it bad that it's taken some macos design cues ?
[10:02] <raz0> kayali, Yeah but I assume you just need to get the right packages. Don't you think?
[10:02] <Simplondio> sorry im not english good
[10:02] <delltony> whats the correct way to use mkisofs please isn't it mkisofs -dvd-video -udf  directoryofvobs>nameof.iso
[10:03] <airox> Anybody got a nice linux replacement for Dreamweaver MX 2004 ?
[10:03] <Simplondio> tank yoy very much
[10:03] <airox> I need ftp and php support.
[10:03] <hawke_> thully: well, "force quit" is not a bad term...better than "kill", which is the traditional *nix term.
[10:03] <kayali> raz0: gstreamer-mad for mp3 playback (it's in universe) and maybe totem-xine for any video needs. I still find it bizzare that ubuntu can't play anything by default... that must have turn thousands of people off of it already ;)
[10:03] <akrabat> incidentally, anyone know how to get gnome to highlight the taskbar "button" for a window that wants to have focus? e.g. make gaim's "urgent" hint do something useful ?
[10:04] <Myrtti> kayali: it's because divx and mp3 aren't open file formats
[10:04] <Myrtti> kayali: software patents etc
[10:04] <desrt> how do i tell dpkg to *actually* ignore deps?
[10:04] <kayali> Myrtti: I'm talking about xvid. for mp3 I do understand.
[10:04] <queuetue> How do I check what version of  a package is installed?
[10:05] <akrabat> queuetue: look it up in synaptic ?
[10:05] <goldfish> dpkg -I ?
[10:05] <akrabat> hmm.. is uninstalling "ubuntu-desktop" bad?
[10:05] <queuetue> akrabat, with apt-get, not synaptic.
[10:05] <Vjaz> akrabat: No, it's not bad.
[10:05] <apokryphos> akrabat: not really
[10:05] <raz0> kayali, Yeah, that I would guess. Thanks by the way. :)
[10:05] <DrScott> queuetue: apt-cache policy <package>
[10:06] <Vjaz> akrabat: The only problem is that if the software selection changes, you won't see it.
[10:06] <Vjaz> akrabat: If they replaced Rhythmbox with Muine in 5.10 for example.
[10:06] <schweeb> akrabat: it's a virtual package, that brings in all the packages that ubuntu deems to be a base desktop
[10:06] <akrabat> vjaz: is that a problem? maybe I'll just keep evolution around
[10:06] <Vjaz> akrabat: Well not a big problem really.
[10:07] <Vjaz> akrabat: And you could check from time to time what it would install.
[10:07] <akrabat> vjaz: good idea !
[10:07] <akrabat> wonder if I can store saved searches in synaptic...
[10:07] <Vjaz> akrabat: That way you'll see what's new, and hand pick that.
[10:07] <djp> airox: closest thing at present is probably http://www.nvu.com/
[10:07] <Vjaz> :-)
[10:08] <lamont> bdale: still here?
[10:08] <Vjaz> I actually thought I wanted to use Thunderbird, but then I installed it and decided I don't want it after all. :-/
[10:08] <akrabat> lol
[10:08] <bdale> lamont: sort of
[10:08] <Vjaz> Evolution seems more polished or something.
[10:08] <apokryphos> Thunderbird is nice, so is Evolution. I quite like kmail though with the kontact intergration.
[10:08] <akrabat> I use it on windows - it's easier to sync my rule filters
[10:08] <Vjaz> There isn't even a notable difference in memory requirements unlike I was expecting.
[10:09] <akrabat> though I haven't actually tried evolution
[10:09] <Vjaz> I checked... Thunderbird actually uses a bit more than Evolution unless I made a mistake.
[10:09] <akrabat> maybe I should have a look
[10:09] <vixus> Are there any small programs (gui) that the linux world needs? I want to give something back, and learn some more coding.
[10:09] <akrabat> does evo have a resonable spam filter ?
[10:09] <Vjaz> I would probably use Sylpheed, but the problem is that it isn't multithreaded, which drives me crazy.
[10:10] <akrabat> vixus: a text editor :)
[10:10] <vixus> XD
[10:10] <goldfish> How do you check what version of perl you have installed?
[10:10] <vixus> akrabat aren't there enough of those?
[10:10] <apokryphos> Err... there are plenty of text editors around.
[10:10] <akrabat> goldfish: perl --version
[10:10] <Vjaz> It means that if my IMAP server is responding slowly, it will look like Sylpheed hangs.
[10:10] <apokryphos> and good ones
[10:10] <akrabat> vixus yes!
[10:10] <goldfish> akrabat: heh
[10:10] <goldfish> ty
[10:10] <akrabat> vixus, it's the typical first project that everyone does
[10:10] <schweeb> lots of people use Mutt
[10:11] <schweeb> mutt's a cmd line email viewer
[10:11] <vixus> Yeah, but... it's kinda boring =|
[10:11] <apokryphos> vixus: you could always learn and try to contribute to one of the projects around
[10:11] <Aapzak> mutt = kewl
[10:11] <akrabat> I've never got on with Mutt
[10:11] <vixus> I want to code something from scratch (only something small)
[10:11] <vixus> any utilities the linux world wants (or at least you guys)?
[10:11] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:11] <Aapzak> yeah , nzb leecher
[10:12] <Aapzak> vixus: nzbleecher, you know it?
[10:12] <apokryphos> vixus: a kde program for torrents and a kde client for the gnutella network :P
[10:12] <vixus> :P|
[10:12] <Aapzak> please, no KDE :)
[10:12] <vixus> bit hard for a starter, no? Also, no kde.
[10:12] <paulicat> kde client for gnutella, use apollon and gift
[10:12] <apokryphos> as much as poss ;-)
[10:12] <vixus> gnome!
[10:12] <apokryphos> noo!
[10:12] <vixus> Anything else?
[10:12] <confrey> I have a laptop, Amilo A1640; can anybody help me to configure acpi? (sleep, lid and so on)
[10:12] <Aapzak> lol, Ubuntu and KDE don't seem a logical combi to me
[10:12] <jesuel> vixus: A gnome interface for cisco's vpn client.
[10:12] <vixus> o_O
[10:13] <tuxella> 'lo all
[10:13] <djp> apokryphos: for torrents, azureus
[10:13] <vixus> ok.
[10:13] <vixus> erm.
[10:13] <Aapzak> azureus rocks!
[10:13] <apokryphos> Yes, I use that now. Still, would be nice to use only kde for everything. :P
[10:13] <Aapzak> really, very little to improve there
[10:13] <Aapzak> apokryphos: whats up with the KDE obsession?
[10:14] <jesuel> vixus: http://www.csuchico.edu/stcp/vpn4.6/
[10:14] <apokryphos> Aapzak: it's the kde affect; brainwashed.
[10:14] <Aapzak> :)
[10:14] <djp> aapzak: only pain with azureus is the need for java. that is the only reason java is on my machine... azureus
[10:14] <airox> djp: Isn't there something nicer that supports php highlighting and autocompletion ? nvu seem stupididly easy :/
[10:14] <apokryphos> djp: no limewire?
[10:14] <Aapzak> apokryphos: KDE is nice, but reminds me too much of windows
[10:14] <apokryphos> airox: Quanta?
[10:14] <Aapzak> djp: I know, big drawback
[10:15] <tuxella> as somebody already installer he Hoary preview on a sata HD ?
[10:15] <apokryphos> Aapzak: I find it funny that Gnome-ers say that about KDE, and the same happens visa versa. :D
[10:15] <djp> airox: that is as close as it gets as far as i know in terms of wysiwyg
[10:15] <apokryphos> Both guilty of the same vices, I guess.
[10:15] <javiolo> any vidalinux user?
[10:15] <Aapzak> apokryphos: lol
[10:15] <djp> airox: bluefish or quanta plus are excellent editors
[10:15] <airox> I don't need wysiwyg ;) I used dreamweaver in 'code' mode.
[10:15] <airox> I used Dreamweaver mostly because it supported asp highlighting as well.
[10:16] <akrabat> airox: I won't recommend Zend Studio then :)
[10:16] <djp> apokryphos: like azureus enough to have java installed just to use it!
[10:16] <airox> Zend Studio seems perfect, but people tell me it's slow :/
[10:16] <akrabat> it's snappy for me
[10:17] <apokryphos> djp: it's a very nice program, to be sure.
[10:17] <akrabat> except when coming back from being minimized for ages
[10:17] <djp> airox: in that case check out vluefish or quanta plus
[10:18] <airox> ;)
[10:18] <tuxella> please ?
[10:18] <airox> djp: You mean bluefish i guess ?
[10:18] <akrabat> ok.. back to my places menu!
[10:18] <apokryphos> akrabat: I think you'll have to compile
[10:18] <akrabat> how do I remove something from it ?!
[10:19] <akrabat> I'm nearly sure I found them somewhere for my last laptop
[10:19] <djp> airox: sure! apologies for the slight of hand. reaching for my hot mug of tea that does that...
[10:19] <airox> Thanks djp!
[10:20] <Lemonzest> is there a way for qt apps to take the current gtk2 theme? like on fedura/mandrake? its so i can make skype less ugly
[10:20] <djp> does anybody know if it is at all possible to install mjpegtools under warty???
[10:21] <paulicat> fedora/mandrake have custom themes for both kde and gtk2
[10:21] <apokryphos> paulicat: did you require anything extra other than apollon and gift from the repos?
[10:21] <Fator_Dee> djp: I have it installed
[10:22] <djp> Fator_dee: how? please, please, please tell me!!! it is driving me nuts!!!
[10:22] <akrabat> anyone know if the skype debian package works ?
[10:22] <Fator_Dee> djp: well, umm, just synaptic'ed it :-p
[10:23] <paulicat> apokryphos, nope, everything you need is there
[10:23] <djp> Fator_Dee: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19102
[10:23] <apokryphos> paulicat: seem to be having the same problem I've had with most other gnutella clients... not connecting. Will try changing the listening ports, might help.
[10:23] <djp> Fator_Dee: are you running warty or hoary?
[10:24] <Lemonzest> paulicat: do you know if there is the human theme for qt apps?
[10:24] <paulicat> Apok - yea, make sure your ports are all correct...it does work, I use gnome, so I use giftui, but apollon is really nice for kde
[10:24] <Lemonzest> maybe the bunty devs need to make one?
[10:24] <Fator_Dee> djp: warty
[10:24] <paulicat> Apparantly someone has made a colour scheme..I saw it on ubuntuforums
[10:25] <monitor> been having a problem with xhost, are there any ubuntu securety odities?
[10:25] <djp> Fator_Dee: did you read my forum post? that is the problem i get when i try and apt-get/synaptic etc...
[10:25] <airox> Won't quanta plus install a lot dependencies because it's interface is KDE related ?
[10:25] <akrabat> airox: yes
[10:25] <apokryphos> yup
[10:26] <airox> Then bluefish it will be :)
[10:26] <Fator_Dee> djp: reading it, I'm looking at my synaptic right now to get a hang of this situation
[10:26] <djp> Fator_Dee: thanks for this...
[10:26] <Fator_Dee> djp: don't thank my yet, don't know if I'm able to solve anything
[10:27] <kayali> airox: well... quanta is still so much more than bluefish anyway....
[10:27] <looksaus> hm, I just registered on launchpad to translate via rosetta
[10:27] <looksaus> at least, I attempted to
[10:27] <djp> Fator_Dee: not to worry, taking the time to give it a go deserves some appreciation ;)
[10:27] <airox> kayali: Yes, it seems quanta looks a lot nicer indeed.
[10:28] <looksaus> I got an email with an URL for registration in it, but that one didn't work
[10:28] <Fator_Dee> djp: what version are you trying to install? 1:1.6.2-0.6 would be my guess?
[10:28] <looksaus> "sorry, this is not available yet"
[10:28] <djp> Fator_Dee: does your sources.list look any different? maybe you have some extra repos that i don't?
[10:28] <djp> Fator_Dee: let me check...
[10:29] <crypticreign> anyone else getting this??  fresh install of hoary, the kernel starts to boot and says "/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console:No such FIle   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init"
[10:30] <djp> Fator_Dee: yep, the one you mention is the one that synaptic defaults to
[10:30] <Fator_Dee> djp: cause I have 1:1.6.2-sarge0.4 :-\
[10:31] <djp> Fator_Dee: which version have you installed?
[10:31] <djp> Fator_Dee: oops, beat me 2 it!
[10:31] <djp> Fator_Dee: is that working fine for you?
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> djp: yes it has
[10:32] <akrabat> so.. to install kde, I just apt-get kdebase ?
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> djp: you using synaptic?
[10:32] <apokryphos> akrabat: if you want all kde stuff, then apt-get install kde-core
[10:33] <apokryphos> akrabat: if you just want quanta, then just install quanta and it'll resolve the dependencies for you.
[10:33] <akrabat> no - I want to look at the DE
[10:33] <djp> Fator_Dee: can do...
[10:33] <apokryphos> akrabat: DE?
[10:33] <akrabat> see what it's like nowadays
[10:33] <akrabat> Desktop Environment
[10:33] <Fator_Dee> djp: try selecting the mjpegtools package, then go to versions and try installing the warty or sarge version instead of the unstable one
[10:33] <Fator_Dee> djp: package -> force package
[10:34] <djp> Fator_Dee: just need to force the version right? do you know how to do that with apt-get? just interested iz all...
[10:34] <apokryphos> akrabat: you want to "look" at it? So you want to install it?
[10:34] <akrabat> yes
[10:34] <apokryphos> akrabat: then go for kde-core
[10:34] <akrabat> so kde-core is the one
[10:34] <Fator_Dee> djp: don't know how to do it in the commando line
[10:34] <akrabat> you type quicker than me!
[10:34] <apokryphos> that's right
[10:34] <apokryphos> heh
[10:35] <djp> Fator_Dee: thanks. i will let you know how i get on. going to give it a shot now...
[10:39] <djp> Fator_Dee: sudo apt-get -s -t warty install mjpegtools is the command to do the same with apt-get. just remove the -s to actually install. it appears that it will work by the way! thank you Fator_Dee! if i could i'd buy you a pint!
[10:39] <airox> djp: You could buy me one instead you know!
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> djp: I'll keep THAT in mind :-p~~, (mmmm.. free beer..)
[10:40] <airox> :)
[10:40] <airox> Fator_Dee: Share! bitch!
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> :-|
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> beer mine!
[10:40] <airox> No way!
[10:42] <neom> How many people have updated to hoary?
[10:42] <apokryphos> 1,762
[10:43] <emacse1> Hi. I have Warty installed, but don't seem to have X acceleration. Not sure what I should do
[10:44] <apokryphos> neom: no, there's no real way to know. Vast majority of persons in here seem to have it installed.
[10:45] <schweeb> emacse1: what do you mean by X acceleration?
[10:45] <emacse1> schweeb: well, none of the GL apps work in hardware, and mplayer can't use any video out except x11
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> emacse1: what video card
[10:46] <emacse1> shoot. hold on (getting lspci)
[10:46] <emacse1> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> you should get xv on an 845
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> glx no, xv, yes
[10:47] <emacse1> k, hold on
[10:47] <emacse1> all I get is a blue window
[10:48] <emacse1> it *could* be an mplayer problem but I've never had a problem with it before
[10:48] <tims> it's a feature
[10:48] <schweeb> are you sure you have the codec for that type of video installed?
[10:49] <emacse1> schweeb: well it works with x11
[10:49] <schweeb> hrm?
[10:49] <orp> i ppl!
[10:49] <emacse1> schweeb: it works with -vo x11 in mplayer
[10:49] <schweeb> x11? that's about the most generic thing you could say about X windows
[10:49] <schweeb> ah
[10:50] <ubuntu> hey ho hey ho
[10:50] <schweeb> emacse1: type 'xdpyinfo|grep XVideo' and check if XVideo is available
[10:50] <orp> some one use a  2.4.26-1-k6 kernel ?
[10:50] <guerby> hi, I'm new to ubuntu/debian, is there an easy way to see the list of packages of the upcoming ubuntu release (with their source version) on the web?
[10:50] <orp> i am win alsa problem
[10:51] <schweeb> orp: I don't think 2.4 kernels are supported in ubuntu at all
[10:51] <emacse1> schweeb: the result of that command is:     XVideo
[10:51] <schweeb> considering all the advanced features of 2.6 that ubuntu uses
[10:51] <orp> yes they are it came with the reelese
[10:51] <schweeb> emacse1: hrm, pretty sure that's the extension that XV uses
[10:51] <sh1mmer> can someone point me at a howto/wiki for upgrading warty to hoary?
[10:52] <emacse1> schweeb: is there another app I can use to test it?
[10:52] <schweeb> orp: what disk did you install from?
[10:52] <bryan> emacse1:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <schweeb> emacse1: umm totem?
[10:52] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: there would be somewhere, but I can't think of where offhand
[10:52] <bryan> ooops
[10:52] <schweeb> there's a guide to XV somewhere... don't remember where though
[10:52] <bryan> that was for sh1mmer
[10:52] <orp> the same i have with 2.6 kernel
[10:52] <bryan> sh1mmer:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <sh1mmer> ta
[10:53] <akrabat> who removed the ctrl+H shortcut from nautilus ?!?!?!?
[10:53] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, I browsed the repository and found various Packages.gz, there's a list of package names, but no software version
[10:53] <airox> I did akrabat !
[10:53] <akrabat> maybe I was the only one who used it :)
[10:54] <sh1mmer> thx guys.
[10:54] <bryan> coming from windows i need a ctrl+w shortcut
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: you could put a hoary line in your apt sources.list
[10:54] <bryan> glad it atleast works in firefox
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> and then run apt-cache show on packages you're interested it
[10:54] <akrabat> close window?
[10:54] <bryan> yea
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> then remove the entrty or change it back afterwards
[10:54] <akrabat> that work in explorer?
[10:54] <bryan> yup
[10:54] <akrabat> I never knew that ?!
[10:54] <airox> bryan: Try System -> Preferences -> Short keys (or something similar)
[10:54] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, I've only tested the Live CD yet, I'm trying to find out the versions included in ubuntu of the software I currently use on SuSE 9.2
[10:55] <orp> use synaptic to list packages
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: tell me what packages you're interested in and I'll tell you what versions they are atm
[10:55] <orp> some one elp me with alsa on 2.4.26-1-k6
[10:55] <orp> please?
[10:55] <bryan> OMFG
[10:55] <bryan> thanks airox
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> orp: you should be using 2.6
[10:56] <bryan> and it works with all the cool media keys on my keyboard too!
[10:56] <orp> i cant it crash my pc k6
[10:56] <bryan> i can set stop/play/vol +/-
[10:56] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, there's a lot, out of memory: gnomemeeting, emacs, evolution, firefox, xchat, gaim, mplayer, videolan, xpdf
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> iminj: what do you mean
[10:56] <orp> i have 2.6 on my best pc
[10:56] <Xappe> damn, I can't get suspend to work
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: msg me a space seperated list
[10:57] <airox> Xappe: suspend to ram or disk ?
[10:57] <schweeb> orp: did you dist upgrade from debian or something
[10:57] <orp> yes i have
[10:57] <schweeb> orp: I'm nearly 100% sure that 2.4 didn't come with warty... and is unsupported
[10:57] <orp> look it cames
[10:57] <orp> see on apt
[10:58] <schweeb> dist-upgrade from debian is an unsupported route
[10:58] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, I'm surprised it's that hard to get this list, on RPM based distro repo it's usually dead simple to find out :)
[10:58] <orp> see on apt-cache search k6
[10:58] <guerby> without installing first
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: the main problem with this is there's no paackages.ubuntu.org
[10:58] <orp> all app works very well but no sound
[10:59] <schweeb> orp: note that the package is in universe
[10:59] <orp> yap
[10:59] <schweeb> meaning it was brought in from debian automatically
[10:59] <schweeb> and is unsupported
[10:59] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, well everything is hosted on ubuntu in the end, so it should be just a matter of knowing where and point a browser there
[11:00] <orp> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[11:00] <orp> yes
[11:00] <guerby> orp, I browsed around from the URL but could not find where are the source packages (I spent 10 minutes on it)
[11:01] <orp> i have it
[11:01] <schweeb> guerby: it's a universe package
[11:01] <orp> from apt
[11:01] <orp> i show you
[11:01] <guerby> schweeb, as I said I don't have ubuntu installed, so no apt
[11:02] <akrabat> The new tab icon in Firefox is terrible on my monitor...
[11:03] <orp>  guerby: do it "sudo apt-cache search k6"
[11:03] <desrt> this whole kernel installation thing
[11:03] <desrt> i should probably just ignore it, right?
[11:03] <schweeb> orp: let me ask you this: have you tried a fresh install from an actual Ubuntu installer disk?  possibly even the new Hoary preview disk?  because if 2.6 crashes for you, you need to report a bug
[11:03] <schweeb> desrt: yes
[11:04] <desrt> awesome
[11:04] <desrt> is it safe to edit the grub config by hand?
[11:04] <guerby> I want to find out first if everything I use has an appropriate version before I switch
[11:04] <orp> yep it realy crash but only this hardware the otheres are fantastic
[11:06] <bryan> o_O 22 new updates available
[11:06] <schweeb> preview freeze is over ;)
[11:06] <akrabat> lol
[11:06] <akrabat> I do like the way that nautilus opens up a window when I plug in my usbdisk :)
[11:06] <schweeb> mad rush to fix all the bugs that weren't important enough for preview, but are necessary to fix before release
[11:08] <desrt> hm
[11:08] <desrt> akrabat; this doesn't happen for me
[11:08] <xiglet> is there a xmms output plugin for gnome sound server?
[11:08] <akrabat> on hoardy, desrt?
[11:08] <akrabat> hoary, even!
[11:09] <^jaco> hi all
[11:09] <desrt> akrabat; installed preview this morning
[11:09] <Agrajag> gnome sound server?
[11:09] <Agrajag> you mean ESD?
[11:09] <^jaco> gnome 2.10 is out!
[11:09] <desrt> yes.  esd.... as in "killall esd"
[11:09] <xiglet> I guess, I thought ESD was Enlightenment
[11:09] <^jaco> will be it included with hoary?
[11:09] <Vjaz> Agrajag: actually, in Hoary, they use Polypaudio
[11:09] <schweeb> ^jaco: of course
[11:09] <xiglet> i'm using hoary preview
[11:09] <^jaco> :) yeppa :)
[11:09] <desrt> jaco; the release of hoary is timed to include gnome 2.10
[11:09] <Agrajag> Vjaz: do they
[11:09] <schweeb> Hoary is developed around the GNOME release cycle
[11:09] <Agrajag> I'm using hoary now
[11:09] <Vjaz> Agrajag: Yep.
[11:09] <desrt> ubuntu's release schedule mirrors gnome's
[11:09] <Agrajag> and it's esd
[11:10] <Vjaz> Agrajag: just see if you have "esd" running
[11:10] <Vjaz> Agrajag: then check if you have "polypaudio" running
[11:10] <akrabat> desrt: maybe I'm lucky...
[11:10] <schweeb> Vjaz: polyp was canned
[11:10] <Agrajag> $ ps aux|grep esd
[11:10] <Agrajag> zaphod    8803  0.2  0.8   5888  4484 ?        S    01:14   1:46 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[11:10] <Vjaz> schweeb: oh
[11:10] <Vjaz> hm...
[11:10] <schweeb> Vjaz: it wasn't good enough
[11:10] <Vjaz> damnn
[11:10] <desrt> akrabat; maybe.  trying a new kernel now to find out for sure :)
[11:10] <Aapzak> boys and girls, upgrade to hoary went very well
[11:10] <Agrajag> anyway, yes there is an xmms output plugin for ESD
[11:10] <Agrajag> should be installed with xmms
[11:10] <bryan> as it should
[11:11] <goldfish> Sorry guys, just wondering where I put new perl modules in ubuntu after i d/l them....
[11:11] <Vjaz> hm... ah... this is the reason you shouldn't uninstall evolution or openoffice ;-)
[11:11] <Vjaz> or ubuntu-desktop to be exact
[11:11] <^jaco> hoary has already openoffice 2.0 preview
[11:11] <hawke_> why was polypaudio canned?
[11:11] <Vjaz> hm...
[11:11] <^jaco> and with gnome 2.10
[11:11] <ions> anywhere I can get a list of the hoary repos for my sources.list as I upgrade from Warty to Haory?
[11:11] <schweeb> hawke_: too problematic
[11:11] <bryan> yeah, when i try to remove evolution, it tries to remove evolution
[11:11] <^jaco> it will be the best distro
[11:11] <bryan> i mean
[11:11] <schweeb> it's now slated for next release, prolly
[11:11] <bryan> tries to remove ubuntu-desktop too
[11:11] <Vjaz> no, it doesn't seem to change it if I install ubuntu-desktop
[11:12] <xiglet> Agrajag: strange, cant see it .. and apt-cache search doesn't find anyting eighter
[11:12] <schweeb> bryan: of course
[11:12] <Vjaz> schweeb: when did they change it?
[11:12] <schweeb> ummm, 2-3 days ago
[11:12] <bryan> why of course?
[11:12] <Agrajag> xiglet: you don't see "eSound Output Plugin" in the list?
[11:12] <orp> i like what i have why install a new
[11:12] <orp> ?
[11:12] <schweeb> bryan: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage for the ubuntu-desktop base
[11:12] <Vjaz> schweeb: ah ok, maybe apt-get update helps for me then... I thought I had done that a while ago though
[11:12] <Agrajag> libesdout.so?
[11:12] <xiglet> Agrajag: that's the same? oh ... :-|
[11:12] <orp> yes apt-get upgrade
[11:13] <pepsi> hey.. human is less grey
[11:13] <pepsi> and a little bulgier
[11:13] <schweeb> bryan: brings in all the packages ubuntu deems to be a basic desktop system
[11:13] <hawke_> pepsi: and more purple.  I do not like it.
[11:13] <pepsi> purple?
[11:13] <orp> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:13] <xiglet> Agrajag: tnx ... I thought eSound was Enlightenment-stuff ... :)
[11:13] <pepsi> its a brown tint
[11:13] <Vjaz> schweeb: at the moment, it seems like removing polypaudio removes ubuntu-desktop for me
[11:13] <hawke_> pepsi: yes...that's how it looks here.
[11:13] <pepsi> hrm
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> xiglet: it started off sort of like that
[11:13] <schweeb> bryan: when you remove one of the packages ubuntu-desktop requires, ubuntu-desktop's dependencies aren't completely satisfied... so it has to be removed as well
[11:13] <hawke_> pepsi: looks like the skin of NCC-1701D
[11:14] <pepsi> wuzzat?
[11:14] <Vjaz> schweeb: but yes, it seems like after apt-get update ubuntu-desktop is updated again, so maybe it'll work
[11:14] <schweeb> Vjaz: rather than removing polyp, install esd
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> Vjaz: yes but esdound provides esound
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> so if you install esd
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> it will update correctly
[11:14] <schweeb> ^^^^^
[11:14] <xiglet> hoary rocks!
[11:14] <schweeb> polyp was designed to be a drop in replacement
[11:14] <Vjaz> polyp provides esound?
[11:14] <schweeb> so it provides esound
[11:14] <Vjaz> of course
[11:14] <bryan> thanks schweeb
[11:14] <hawke_> pepsi: star trek the next generation spaceship...grey with a hint of very very very light purple.
[11:15] <Vjaz> well this is annoying
[11:15] <Vjaz> this is what I've been wondering about
[11:15] <pepsi> hawke, im not sure how you see it as purple.. its kind of a rosy brown tint... you'll get used to it :P
[11:15] <Vjaz> I mean if I use the development version... I miss that kind of changes
[11:16] <hawke_> pepsi: it could well be my monitor.
[11:16] <Vjaz> Just upgrading doesn't fix that. If it hadn't been brought up, I'd be using polypaudio for quite a while before someone told me.
[11:16] <hawke_> pepsi: But I see no hint of brown.
[11:16] <pepsi> it for sure adds more color though, which could be distracting i guess
[11:16] <pepsi> seems subtle enough that i can get used to it though
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> Vjaz: currently they are updating the packages such that an upgrade would bring in esound
[11:17] <Vjaz> Ah, ok.
[11:17] <Vjaz> That's good.
[11:17] <Vjaz> Maybe it's not that bad after all then.
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, it's a temporary bad situation
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> which is what happens with development :)
[11:17] <Vjaz> Hm... regarding that kind of... Is the cursor in Hoary fixed yet?
[11:17] <pepsi> Vjaz, the ugly watch you mean
[11:18] <pepsi> ?
[11:18] <Vjaz> On my system I still get the standard black cursor from X.
[11:18] <hawke_> schweeb: What were the problems with polyp?  I had a problem where I had no sound until I killed it and ran it manually...but after an upgrade of that, it was fine...
[11:18] <Vjaz> pepsi: Yes, I mean the ugly standard cursors, including the watch.
[11:18] <pepsi> i like the cursors like that :)
[11:18] <pepsi> except the watch
[11:18] <bryan> Vjaz:  get gcursor
[11:18] <cocol> apt-get install gcursors
[11:18] <schweeb> hawke_: it had numerous issues... you'd have to ask mdz or jdub or someone
[11:18] <bryan> and then search the ubuntu forums
[11:18] <bryan> and download the warty cursors
[11:18] <l0wrd> help!  my sound doenst work.
[11:19] <bryan> they're in a post somewhere
[11:19] <hawke_> Vjaz: I like the standard cursors. :-)  Is there any (non-horribly-complicated) way to manually change the cursors?
[11:19] <Aapzak> was there anyone inhere asking for a KDE client for torrents?
[11:19] <Vjaz> bryan: well I was just wondering if they had already fixed it and I somehow missed the update for same kind of reasons that I missed the polypaudio->esd change
[11:20] <hawke_> Aapzak: qtorrent?
[11:20] <Aapzak> there is qtorrent, a qt 3.0 client
[11:20] <Vjaz> bryan: I don't mind using the standard cursors
[11:20] <Aapzak> thats a yes :)
[11:20] <pepsi> R: 239 G: 235 B: 231 is the color of window backgrounds
[11:20] <Vjaz> hawke_: gcursor is fine I guess
[11:20] <Aapzak> kfile-plugins provide a torrent plugin for kfile
[11:20] <hawke_> Vjaz: thx, neat...
[11:21] <bascule> where is updatedb called from after ubuntu hasn't been booted for a while?
[11:21] <Aapzak> apokryphos, was it you, the KDE user?
[11:21] <bascule> obviously not cron .. or is it?
[11:21] <hawke_> bascule: it is
[11:21] <hawke_> bascule: or anacron maybe.
[11:21] <Aapzak> part of daily prob
[11:21] <Aapzak> anacron = cron
[11:22] <bascule> k, I was doing a >4GB dvdburn, a little worrying on the buffer levels
[11:22] <Pointwood> what do you guys use to rip CD's? I want to rip a CD to FLAC
[11:22] <hawke_> Aapzak: anacron != cron
[11:22] <Aapzak> anacron = a cron daemon,
[11:22] <Aapzak> ?
[11:22] <bascule> so in the cron job, if it isn't called there and then it will continue trying every x mins til success?
[11:23] <hawke_> Aapzak: nope...anacron is similar, but it runs jobs even if their time was missed.  Fills a different function than cron.
[11:23] <bascule> :)
[11:23] <Aapzak> ah
[11:23] <l0wrd> help:  I dont have any sound, and alsa doesnt have any config tools that i find to specify a sound card.  any help here?
[11:23] <apokryphos> Aapzak: yup
[11:23] <Aapzak> apokryphos, did you ask for a torrent client?
[11:23] <hawke_> bascule: Nope.  It runs only at whatever time.  If it's missed, too bad.
[11:23] <Xappe> airox, ram I guess...when closing lid
[11:23] <apokryphos> Aapzak: sure
[11:24] <airox> Xappe: Which laptop ?
[11:24] <bascule> hawke_: well it is running now at 22:23 my time
[11:24] <Aapzak> qtorrent is a qt client
[11:24] <Xappe> airox, ibook g3
[11:24] <apokryphos> Aapzak: Yup, I know of that one. It's alright.
[11:24] <bascule> actually it is running amndb
[11:24] <bascule> mandb
[11:24] <Aapzak> ok, there is also a plugin for kfile
[11:24] <airox> ah, no experiences with it. Tried /etc/acpi/suspend.sh ?
[11:24] <Xappe> airox, what's the difference between suspend to ram and to disk?
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> Xappe: one suspends to ram
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> the other to disk
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[11:25] <Xappe> haha
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> one is a low power mode that can be resumed quickly
[11:25] <airox> Well suspending to ram will have the laptop consume more power than to disk.
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> the other you can turn off
[11:25] <airox> But make it faster to resume :)
[11:25] <airox> You can suspend to disk and even run another operating system if you want.
[11:25] <hawke_> bascule: updatedb happens from cron.daily/slocate
[11:26] <bascule> I think I'll remove it
[11:26] <IRCMonkey> sick sad question but how do i use md5checksum
[11:26] <airox> Why ?
[11:26] <Xappe> well, since suspend to ram does not work, I guess it's the same for disk
[11:26] <Aapzak> hawke, does that mean it's being run as root?
[11:26] <hawke_> bascule: c'mon...don't you use "locate" all the time?
[11:26] <l0wrd> how do i configure ALSA?
[11:26] <airox> Xappe: You checked the dir /etc/acpi ?
[11:26] <bascule> yes, I also remeber to do it when *I* want .. :)
[11:27] <eyequeue> hawke:  slocate is secure instead
[11:27] <hawke_> Aapzak: updatedb?  yes..it has to.
[11:27] <bascule> hawke_: and during a 4GB DVD burn is *not* when *I* want ;)
[11:27] <hawke_> eyequeue: I know what slocate is, thanks.
[11:27] <Xappe> airox,  for what?
[11:27] <desrt> why is ubuntu sucking so hardly for me?
[11:27] <desrt> i mean, other people seem to rave about its goodness
[11:27] <Aapzak> hawke, when I AM root and run it, I get messages saying it's a security issue since users now can find files they normally can't
[11:27] <Xappe> airox, it suspends, but does not wake up again
[11:27] <eyequeue> hawke:  Aapzak used your nick, it was meant for him instead
[11:28] <airox> Xappe: Hmm..
[11:28] <l0wrd> desrt: what dont you like about it?  I just started using it today.
[11:28] <airox> Xappe: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2368.html
[11:28] <Xappe> i've tried all the suggestions  on the forum and bugzilla, but none seems to work for me
[11:28] <Aapzak> eyequeue, I was addressing hawke :)
[11:28] <desrt> l0wrd; i've had a hell of a time setting up my printer and my usb storage devices don't work
[11:28] <airox> Xappe: ah, damn.
[11:29] <WillCooke> Holy Cr*p.  Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but has anyone seen the Mplayer homepage?
[11:29] <Xappe> airox, yup
[11:29] <WillCooke> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html
[11:29] <Xappe> airox, do you have any experience with pbbuttonsd?
[11:29] <l0wrd> desrt: any USB issues are probably because of hotplugging.
[11:29] <apokryphos> woaah
[11:29] <l0wrd> desrt: are you sure your hot plugging is working?
[11:29] <airox> Xappe: nope, i just got suspend working over here with a toshiba laptop.
[11:29] <desrt> l0wrd; no.  i'm not :)
[11:30] <Aapzak> WillCooke, was new to me ...
[11:30] <airox> It's shit all those suspend things ;)
[11:30] <desrt> i'd sort of assume that ubuntu takes care of that for me
[11:30] <l0wrd> desrt: :) check that out first.  try mounting the pen drive manually.
[11:30] <desrt> l0wrd; that works just fine
[11:30] <Xappe> airox, mhm, seems like I have to live without it
[11:31] <IRCMonkey> is there a way to download certain files that are on the disc?
[11:31] <eyequeue> WillCooke:  i had not seen it, thanks
[11:31] <desrt> oh.  one thing that does not work at all is sound
[11:31] <apokryphos> WillCooke: holy crap indeed :P
[11:31] <jesuel> Anyone know of a way to make the window list portion of the gnome panel transparent, the gnome panel is already transparent but that part isnt.
[11:31] <desrt> alsa loads fine.. i even hear my speakers make a popping noise when the driver is installed
[11:31] <desrt> and things think that they are playing
[11:31] <desrt> but no sound comes out of the speakers
[11:32] <desrt> so i go into alsamix and turn up every channel that there is.... still nothing
[11:32] <l0wrd> are they muted?
[11:32] <desrt> no.
[11:32] <LordC> Im having some weird dependacy issue, it is saying I dont have a file - but i do have it, only a later version
[11:32] <LordC> Depends: libopenh323-1.13.2 (>=1.13.5) but it is not installable
[11:32] <LordC> and I have Depends: libopenh323-1.15.2
[11:33] <l0wrd> desrt: i cant get my sound to work either.  cause i cant setup ALSA.
[11:33] <LordC> :S
[11:33] <l0wrd> desrt: it says i have no sound card selected.
[11:33] <desrt> so much for 'just works' :/
[11:33] <l0wrd> desrt: haha
[11:33] <l0wrd> desrt: brb
[11:33] <jeramy> I seem to be having problems with CUPS.  Anyone else?  I just tried installing ubuntu-desktop, and cupsys-driver-gimpprint isn't installing for me (Setting up cupsys-driver-gimpprint (4.2.7-4ubuntu1) ...
[11:33] <jeramy> No Gimp-Print PPD files to update.
[11:33] <jeramy>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd
[11:33] <jeramy> cupsd: Child exited with status 99!
[11:33] <jeramy> dpkg: error processing cupsys-driver-gimpprint (--configure):
[11:33] <jeramy>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2)
[11:36] <desrt> i wonder if the fact that i imported my home directory from gentoo is causing trouble
[11:40] <punkrockguy318> How can I upgrade from warty to the hoary preview?
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> punkrockguy318: change 'warty' to 'hoary' in synaptic
[11:41] <punkrockguy318> that's all?
[11:41] <punkrockguy318> how safe is the upgrade?  should I run into any problems?
[11:41] <looksaus> punkrockguy318, probably not
[11:41] <airox> "There are 26 updates available" omg! :o
[11:41] <looksaus> backup your home directory
[11:41] <airox> 68,8M :(
[11:41] <punkrockguy318> alright
[11:41] <punkrockguy318> oh wait, i forgot
[11:41] <looksaus> then upgrade the thing
[11:42] <punkrockguy318> last time I upgraded to hoary, my nvidia card didn't work.. the new nvidia drivers don't support my card...
[11:42] <punkrockguy318> and i couldn't get the 6111 ones to work
[11:42] <bob2> looksaus: er
[11:42] <bob2> looksaus: nothing is ever going to touch /home
[11:42] <bob2> except maybe gnome\s migration scripts
[11:43] <looksaus> bob2, it's _always_ nice to have a backup of your /home
[11:43] <akrabat> how do I install a source package using apt-get ?
[11:43] <looksaus> especially if you want to be able to get back to your old situation very quickly
[11:44] <looksaus> akrabat, apt-get src

[11:44] <akrabat> doesn't work
[11:44] <akrabat> aha
[11:44] <akrabat> it's apt-get source php5 :)
[11:45] <Einzelganger> How do you kill gam_server from preventing me from unmount partitions. A "killall gam_server" immediately starts a new proces gam_server blocking me from umounting any partition
[11:45] <looksaus> akrabat, sorry, I cut down on vowels :)
[11:45] <akrabat> *grin*
[11:46] <looksaus> akrabat, are you going to try and compile the php source package with different options?
[11:46] <akrabat> no
[11:46] <akrabat> different from what ?
[11:47] <looksaus> from the standard ones :)
[11:47] <akrabat> I couldn't find a deb package for php5
[11:47] <bob2> dude
[11:47] <akrabat> going to try the default set first and see what happens
[11:47] <bob2> if there's no binary deb, there's no source package, either
[11:47] <akrabat> will have to be tomorrow now thogh
[11:47] <akrabat> though
[11:47] <akrabat> there is a source package at dotdeb.org
[11:50] <js_> is there a graphical tool for handling what i want to start on boot? or do i need to use update-rc.d for everything?
[11:50] <eyequeue> lol
[11:52] <lewiz> Hi.  I'm wondering if anybody can answer a question about i18n.  I've seen the Wiki entry about different inputs but I wonder if the new preview release allows easy switching between English and Japanese (or Chinese) inputs?
[11:52] <looksaus> js_, I'm afraid so, but do listen to the others
[11:53] <looksaus> lewiz, you mean keyboards? there's the keyboard switcher applet
[11:53] <looksaus> and about everything in hoary is UTF-8, so that's also a huge leap forward
[11:53] <looksaus> (character encoding)
[11:54] <lewiz> looksaus: Hmm, I was meaning more along the lines of being able to type in hiragana/katakana or pinyin->character conversion.
[11:55] <looksaus> I'm sorry, it's quite difficult for me to imagine what you mean there exactly
[11:55] <looksaus> I'm from a country with 26 letters and (almost) no accents :)
[11:56] <lewiz> looksaus: Okay, I want to be able to write in Chinese characters.  So if I type ``nihao'' it converts that to the two characters.
[11:56] <lewiz> looksaus: Heh, I'm from England but I figure it would be real neat to be able to input Japanese :)  I'm struggling to learn a bit.
[11:58] <QMario> Hello everyone!
[11:58] <QMario> Who's using Hoary?
[11:59] <looksaus> QMario, me...
[11:59] <hawke_> QMario: me
[11:59] <QMario> How do I share printers over the network?
[11:59] <looksaus> (since about 6 weeks...)