[08:40] <apw> zkanda, which series are you trying to run it, what is your root disk stored on?
[08:43] <zkanda> apw:  model is UX501VW, the root disk is on one for the partition. But have a weird naming scheme. Not the usual sda.
[08:44] <apw> zkanda, what does you disk get named as ?
[08:46] <apw> and which series of ubuntu are you installing on it
[08:52] <zkanda> Wait, let me look at it.
[08:54] <zkanda> apw: disk get name as something like  this: nvme0n1p2, latest 15.10 ubuntu.
[09:09] <tjaalton> you'd need newer initramfs-tools
[09:10] <tjaalton> nvme module location changed, so 4.4 and up won't boot since the initrd doesn't include it
[09:13] <zkanda> tjaalton: How do I do that? Just a link where I could follow is good. Searching didn
[09:13] <zkanda> 'didn't yield good information.
[09:16] <tjaalton> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1524879
[09:16] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1524879 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "initramfs-tools, Xenial is missing NVME kernel driver" [High,Fix released]
[09:17] <tjaalton> apw: looks like it regressed something
[09:18] <apw> tjaalton, do we know zkanda is even running xenial ?
[09:19] <apw> zkanda, what version of initramfs-tools is installed on your system (dpkg -l initramfs-tools)
[09:19] <tjaalton> apw: using mainline kernels on any release has the same bug
[09:19] <tjaalton> it's 15.10
[09:19] <tjaalton> mainline kernels 4.4 and up that is
[09:19] <apw> tjaalton, right .. then then we would expect mainline 4.4 to not work on anything before 16.04
[09:19] <tjaalton> yep
[09:21] <zkanda> Ok, any advice what should I do from this? Sorry I'm not too familiar on how this things work. :(
[09:21] <tjaalton> you could just modify the hook manually
[09:22] <apw> i suspect that is the "simplest" as you are unlikely to be able to install initramfs-tools from xenial without a bunch of pre-requisites
[09:23] <apw> i seem to remember merging up a bunch of stuff to make that work
[09:23] <zkanda> tjaalton: How do I do that? Don't know how hook works.
[09:24] <zkanda> Can I just try Xenial Alpha then? Would that work? I actually tried the Xenial Mate, but it didn't boot either.
[09:24] <zkanda> I forgot the actual error when trying it out though.
[09:25] <tjaalton> edit /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions, add what's on the first comment on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=807000
[09:25] <ubot5`> Debian bug 807000 in initramfs-tools "initramfs-tools: module nvme not included in block modules on kernel > 4.2" [Normal,Fixed]
[09:26] <tjaalton> then run update-initramfs -u -k all
[09:26] <apw> tjaalton, i don't think they want to us -k all
[09:26] <apw> until they know they ahve done _one_ right
[09:27] <tjaalton> 4.2 still boots
[09:28] <tjaalton> or -k $whatever
[09:28] <tjaalton> dunno what it would be for some random mainline
[09:28] <zkanda> Ok, I'll try that later, still at work so I can't experiment around. haha
[10:44] <xnox> apw, we really should backport that change.... all the way back to trusty?
[10:44] <xnox> apw, are we doing kernel-lts-xenial for trusty?
[10:53] <apw> xnox, yes, we are, infact vrey much now ...
[10:53] <apw> xnox, i'll file a bug for that now ... as it owuld be a pre-requisite for that indeed
[10:59] <apw> xnox, i've added a task to LP: #1524879 ... note the fix got refixed in a later upload, anyhow will put it on my todo
[10:59] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1524879 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Trusty) "initramfs-tools, Xenial is missing NVME kernel driver" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1524879
[11:26] <zkanda> tjaalton: That didn't seem to fix the issue, disk still not found
[11:29] <tjaalton> zkanda: did you run update-initramfs?
[11:29] <zkanda> Yes I did.
[11:29] <zkanda> Note this is kernel 4.5
[11:29] <tjaalton> doesn't matter
[11:34] <zkanda> tjaalton: is there anything I can look to verify that the nvme module is updated?
[12:08] <tjaalton> zkanda: unpack the initrd to see it's there. if it isn't you didn't fix hook-functions enough
[12:41] <jjohansen> apw: So the lockinng patchbomb, is at git://kernel.ubuntu.com/jj/ubuntu-xenial.git patch-bomb
[12:41] <jjohansen> It has the mount patch that tim reverted with a fixup: patch for it that fixes an rcu locking problem that the original patch had. I haven't folded that fixup in yet so you guys could easily see the diff
[12:42] <apw> jjohansen, ack
[12:42] <jjohansen> I haven't managed to get to cleaning up the full queue yet, there are several fixups that need to be folded into other patches a few bug links to add etc.
[12:43] <jjohansen> apw: if you want to just pull the mount patch + fixup, its the 2nd and 3rd patches in the queue
[12:43] <jjohansen> the 1st one is for a minor mount auditing issue
[12:44] <jjohansen> the audit patch does slightly change the mount sleep fix patch, I should have probably changed the ordering
[12:45] <jjohansen> apw: its passed my testing but I haven't run stgraber's tests nor have I tested on anything but amd64 yet
[12:45] <apw> jjohansen, 39 patches, ugg
[12:45] <rtg> jjohansen, wow, you want all of these ?
[12:46] <apw> you've got a lot of unannotated titles in there (no apparmor prefixes) is that expected ?
[12:46] <jjohansen> apw: like I said I need to clean it up yet
[12:46] <apw> jjohansen, oh ok ... rtg ^
[12:47] <jjohansen> rtg: sadly yes, its all backported fixups to locking and ref counting, and fallout around it
[12:47] <jjohansen> it fixes kees's bug
[12:47] <apw> rtg, if we applied the cleaned version to something and uploaded it to unstable, we could get the adt tests for lxc etc run against it
[12:47] <rtg> jjohansen, well, we can wait until you are ready. no use in doing this twice.
[12:48] <rtg> apw, yeah, could do that
[12:48] <jjohansen> rtg: if you want we could cherry-pick out the mount patch + its fixup and just apply that atm,
[12:48] <rtg> jjohansen, that is the one causing problems right now, correct ?
[12:49] <jjohansen> rtg: yes, its the fix you reverted, patch #3 is a fixup to that patch
[12:49] <apw> sounds like we should take that one for master-next, and shove the whole thing on a test kernel
[12:50] <rtg> jjohansen, 'fix-up: kern_mount fail path should not be doing put_buffers()' I presume
[12:50] <jjohansen> rtg: yes
[12:52] <jjohansen> rtg: give me a minute to rebase the patch series, as it stands patch1 causes a conflct with #2 and #3 so you can clean cherry-pick them
[12:52] <rtg> jjohansen, yeah, I was just noticing that
[12:52] <rtg> jjohansen, just holler when you are ready
[13:10] <jjohansen> rtg: ok repushed with -f , the mount patch and its fixup are now the 1st and 2nd patch in the queue, and the old patch #1 gets completely dropped because it turns out to be superfluous with the reorder
[13:11] <rtg> jjohansen, got it. I'll upload the whole pile to our unstable PPA for some testing.
[13:11] <rtg> and cherry-pick just the 2 for master-next
[13:11] <jjohansen> rtg: okay, thanks. I'll work on cleanup the commit messages and folding some of the patches together. No point in keeping fixups to patches in the queue
[13:12] <jjohansen> that is fixups separate
[13:12] <rtg> jjohansen, agreed
[13:13] <rtg> jjohansen, in fact, would it hurt if I just squashed those 2 ? it might prevent a bisect problem for jsalisbury  sometime in the future.
[13:14] <jjohansen> rtg: no, I would squash them, I just kept them separate so you and apw could see what the fix was
[13:14] <rtg> cool
[14:19] <jdstrand> ogasawara, cking: thanks!
[14:19] <cking> jdstrand, my pleasure, I'll wait to see what the upstream developer thinks
[14:20] <jdstrand> cking: ack. let me know if you need anything
[14:20] <cking> jdstrand, ok, I may ask you to test the fix at some point
[14:20] <jdstrand> sure thing
[16:07] <manjo> rtg, when I cross build on tangerine for arm64 .. /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/scripts/<blah> are all built for x64 .. is there a way to force to build everything arm64?
[16:08] <rtg> dpkg-buildpackage -d -aarm64
[16:09] <manjo> yep that was my cmd line
[16:09] <rtg> manjo, within the right chroot ?
[16:09] <manjo> yeah within xenial chroot
[16:10] <manjo> wily/xenial does the same thing
[16:13] <rtg> manjo, you could try '/usr3/ubuntu/kteam-tools/buildscripts/ukb-make --release=$RELEASE --arch=$ARCH --branch=$BRANCH --clean --repo=`pwd`'
[16:13] <rtg> which is how I do all of my builds
[16:14] <manjo> rtg, so I don't need to dchroot blah .. just run this on the pwd ie kernel source
[16:14] <rtg> yup
[16:14] <manjo> what is branch ?
[16:15] <rtg> the branch in your local repo. I assume you are developing on master
[16:15] <manjo> ah yes master
[16:15] <manjo> so if I drop --branch it would use master ?
[16:15] <rtg> manjo, can't remember
[16:15] <manjo> ok I will figure out
[16:20] <manjo> rtg, oops that script won't work if I did a dpkg-source -x extract of a dsc ...
[16:20] <rtg> manjo, only works from a repo
[16:24] <manjo> rtg, do you have an arm64 cross compiled headers-generic  package I can use? I want to see if your script builds stuff under linux/scripts correctly
[16:25] <manjo> rtg, I think that makefile might not support cross compile flags
[16:27] <manjo> probably that is the right thing to do ie build those x64 when you are building on x64 ?
[16:28] <rtg> manjo, y'all ain't makin' no sense to me - wtf are you trying to do ?
[16:30] <ogra_> dont you need to set ARCH= and CROSS_COMPILE= too ?
[16:30] <manjo> ☺ there are a bunch of tools under linux/scripts/*.c which gets built as x64 when I cross compile for arm64... from looking that makefile May be it does not support cross compile
[16:30] <manjo> and it could be the right thing to do ie .. build them for the native platform coz some of theose tools are used for the build itself
[16:30] <ogra_> iirc "dpkg-buildpackage -d -aarm64" isnt enough
[16:31] <rtg> I've specifically disable tools generation when cross compiling. its just too much of a PITA
[16:31] <ogra_> yeah, the deps will bite
[16:32] <rtg> manjo, if you want tools, then you'll have to upload to a PPA for a native build
[16:33] <manjo> yeah that is a PITA ☺ coz it takes like 3hrs on native PPA
[16:33] <rtg> I can't help that
[16:33] <ogra_> get a dragonboard ;)
[16:33] <manjo> I know .. just saying
[16:56] <rtg> jsalisbury, are you pursuing bug #1540731 with upstream now that you've identified the regression ?
[16:56] <ubot5`> bug 1540731 in Mir "SocketMessenger::update_session_creds() fails to get client PID, causing "[ FAILED ] PromptSessionClientAPI.client_pid_is_associated_with_session" on kernel 4.4 (but kernel 4.3 works)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540731
[16:58] <jsalisbury> rtg, yes.  I have an email to respond to
[16:58] <jsalisbury> rtg, and there is a new patch to replace the revert, so I can get it tested
[16:59] <rtg> jsalisbury, cool
[18:39] <melodie> hello
[18:41] <melodie> I am looking for hardware supported info, especially the Intel CPU Skylake : either i5 or i7 (4 brands AFAIK)
[18:41] <melodie> I read here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=intel-skl-prelim-support
[18:41] <melodie> it's of last summer, how is it now?
[18:41] <melodie> can we have accelerated/3D and all working well?
[18:42] <melodie> I have to help someone build the specs of his new machine and his favorite distro is Kubuntu. He does current office work and reworks his pictures (gimp mostly). He wants it to be very snappy. (the machine will have 8 GB ram to start with)
[18:42] <melodie> what do you think?
[18:45] <melodie> no one around at this time, for insights about hardware?
[19:20] <Pithegorus> hye how do i customize ubuntu kernel?
[19:35] <melodie> KillerSingam by recompiling it
[19:36] <melodie> hi garrettr
[19:37] <melodie> do you have knowledge about the intel CPUs and the kernels available at Ubuntu? I'm told that for a i5 or i7 Skylake I would need a Xenial  and I wonder if there is another way to get a 4.3 or 4.4 kernel image in let's say, Wily?
[19:37] <melodie> I have to provide a machine to a friend who uses Kubuntu (and a good machine)
[19:38] <melodie> he knows not about hardware and software, but I have to give him the best and stable possible because he also uses it for his work
[19:38] <melodie> what do you think?
[19:38] <melodie> (I asked around here one hour ago, and no answer so far)
[19:39] <KillerSingam> how do i recompile my kernel
[19:39] <melodie> KillerSingam you seek for the documentation first
[19:40] <melodie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[19:40] <melodie> thanks to Qwant, the search engine. ;)
[19:40] <KillerSingam> qwant?
[19:41] <melodie> https://www.qwant.com/
[19:41] <melodie> yes, I've qwanted for you
[19:42] <KillerSingam> can i use that qwantum  for my girlfriend?
[19:48] <melodie> this is not a bouquet of flowers, nor a perfume. It's a search engine
[19:48] <melodie> so go compile your kernel now! what are you waiting for,
[19:48] <melodie> ?
[19:50] <KillerSingam> if i did compile my kernel.. how do i install it
[20:06] <arges> melodie: Xenial works just fine on a skylake i7 for me. Basing on an LTS release (like xenial) would provide the most stable path depending on your timeframe.
[20:10] <melodie> arges how stable is Kubuntu Xenial is something I should test, I guess
[20:10] <arges> melodie: of course, and also release the actual release isn't until April
[20:10] <melodie> my timeframe is not large, if you are referring to how long to I have to build the specs for this tower. A couple days, then it has to be ordered
[20:11] <melodie> I know it's not before April, however I have upgraded my own custom edition (Bento Openbox Remix) and it works fine (it was better with nouveau than with the nvidia driver, but my tower is an old box)
[20:12] <melodie> arges the person for whom I'm building the specs needs it for his daily work, which is common current work, and also to edit pictures, he makes photos and edits them with Gimp
[20:13] <melodie> he will have the machine start with 8 GB RAM and we can add more if needed. Just now I'm not quite sure which version Kubuntu and which version processor I should pick up
[20:13] <melodie> I was looking here: http://ark.intel.com/fr/products/88192/Intel-Core-i7-6600U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz
[20:13] <melodie> and to the latest here:
[20:14] <melodie> http://ark.intel.com/fr/products/family/88392/6th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors#@Desktop
[20:16] <melodie> arges may I continue?
[20:16] <arges> melodie: I'm not entirely sure which works best. But if you do run into issues please file bugs. : )
[20:18] <melodie> arges I don't get to provide specs and use, I only provide specs and the end user will have to get the perfect choice :D
[20:19] <melodie> this is why the choice is difficult (where would be the fun otherwise?) XD
[20:19] <melodie> http://www.ldlc.com/informatique/pieces-informatique/processeur/c4300/+fb-C000000192+fv579-5524+fv160-13685.html
[20:19] <melodie> I have been shown the first one on the list, then when the guy said "Skylake" I thought omg! that's new! how is that with the kernel?
[20:19] <melodie> :)
[20:19] <melodie> and after I did a search I thought the best would be asking the chans for insights
[20:21] <arges> melodie: I understand. And yes, I was mainly trying to answer 'does the Ubuntu kernel support Skylake CPUs?'
[20:23] <melodie> arges now I'm going to grab a Kubuntu Xenial, install it on a box (I have enough computers to give it a try on bare metal) and see how it goes.
[20:24] <melodie> arges I thank you for your kindness
[20:24] <arges> melodie: good luck
[20:24] <melodie> :)
[20:24] <melodie> thanks!
[20:35] <KillerSingam> melodie
[20:35] <KillerSingam> hi
[20:36] <KillerSingam> melodie how to recompile my kernel where do i get the source
[20:42] <melodie> KillerSingam you read the page that I pointed you to, then you follow the first link you find in it. surely you know how to read? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile


[10:18] <nerochiaro> hi everyone, i'm trying to get a magic touchpad device to work with ubuntu, and while unity seems to recognize 3- and 4-finger touches it seems to ignore any other gesture. any pointers where to start looking ?
[10:27] <RAOF> nerochiaro: What other gestures are you trying? IIRC those are pretty much the set of supported ones.
[10:27] <nerochiaro> RAOF: isn't there a 3finger swipe to switch windows or workspaces ?
[10:28] <RAOF> I don't think so?
[10:28] <RAOF> You *used* to be able to use 3-fingers to move windows around, but I think that gesture got dropped.
[10:29] <RAOF> Too few people have touchpads capable of tracking more than one finger :(
[10:39] <mlankhorst> I really?
[10:40] <nerochiaro> RAOF: i see. and is there any test app i can use to verify that other multitouch events are actually recognized and sent to windows ?
[10:42] <RAOF> nerochiaro: ‘xinput test-xi2’ will show all the touches X sees (as different valuators)
[10:46] <nerochiaro> RAOF: i dont' seem to be getting any event for 2 finger gestures. 3 or more generate TouchUpdate events
[10:48] <RAOF> Hm. 2 fingers might be translated into scroll events, I forget.
[10:48] <nerochiaro> RAOF: and 2 finger pinch is what i really need to test
[10:49] <nerochiaro> RAOF: doesn't seem like the case, or at least windows with scroll bars don't seem to react to them
[10:49] <nerochiaro> and xinput doesn't show them as scroll neither
[12:55] <Prf_Jakob> Is bug 1293384 a known bug?
[12:59] <tjaalton> guess so
[12:59] <tjaalton> maybe try #ubuntu-unity?
[12:59] <mlankhorst> Prf_Jakob: haven't heard of it, but it could be due to unity blur effects
[13:00] <Prf_Jakob> Okay thanks
[13:02] <tjaalton> right
[13:02] <tjaalton> it should be possible to drop some effects for such cases


 Don't be stupid!
[05:47] <Kilos> lol
[05:47] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[05:47] <not_found> :)
[05:47] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[05:47] <Kilos> yo not_found
[05:47] <theblazehen> hello theblazesbot
[05:48] <Kilos> theblazehen, what bot is it
[05:48] <theblazehen> "Attempt to chat" bot
[05:48] <Kilos> oh not an ibid
[05:48] <theblazehen> nope
[05:49] <theblazehen> Damn, this looks nice! http://i.imgur.com/eB9D1xE.png
[05:49] <Kilos> dont play here too much with bots , the bosses moan
[05:49] <theblazehen> yeah
[05:49] <not_found> alo uncle Kilos
[05:49] <theblazehen> he don't wanna join #test :(
[05:57] <Kilos> dont you have to start with the bots name
[05:57] <theblazesbot> was wondering why my old cloak wasn't showing on /whois
[05:57] <theblazehen> nope
[05:57] <theblazehen> I think the creativity is set too high
[05:58] <theblazehen> !part #ubuntu-za
[05:58] <theblazehen> !theblazesbot part #ubuntu-za
[05:58] <theblazesbot> theblazehen, im literally going deaf
[05:58] <theblazehen> Well put on your hearing aid and gtfo theblazesbot!
[05:59] <theblazesbot> theblazehen, adran, we really don't care about your personal opinions
[05:59] <theblazehen> theblazesbot :(
[06:11] <not_found> lol
[06:12] <Kilos> hehe shame the young uns
[06:22] <magespawn> good morning
[06:22] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:23] <magespawn> how are things?
[06:23] <Kilos> great ty and there
[06:23] <Kilos> everything is working
[06:25] <magespawn> awesome stuff, warm and sunny and everything is working
[06:25] <Kilos> great
[06:49] <inetpro> good morning
[06:49] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:53] <not_found> Jonathan Carter... anyone here know him?
[06:53] <Kilos> ya he was here when i started
[06:53] <inetpro> not_found: why?
[06:53] <Kilos> name rings a bell, why?
[06:54] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:54] <not_found> ah just very active in Linux land and he is from SA... was staying in Canada but now back in SA
[06:54] <Trixar_za> Probably because it's from the Baroom series
[06:54] <magespawn> highvoltage?
[06:54] <Trixar_za> Aka John Carter
[06:54] <Trixar_za> :P
[06:54] <Kilos> yeah
[06:54] <Kilos> this is his channel methinks
[06:55] <not_found> ah very possible (I think I did ask many moons ago)
[06:55] <Kilos> inetpro, hey?
[06:55] <Trixar_za> I haven't seen highvoltage in years
[06:55] <Kilos> i always used to lo highvoltage him
[06:56] <Kilos> ah he is back here
[06:56] <not_found> well seeing as he is back on SA soil time to get him here again :p
[06:56] <not_found> http://jonathancarter.org/2013/08/25/still-alive/
[06:56] <Kilos> the pro knows what other channels he is on methinks
[06:57] <magespawn> Maaz seen highvoltage
[06:57] <Maaz> magespawn: highvoltage was last seen 4 months, 9 days, 12 hours, 23 minutes and 16 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-04-18 20:33:57 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-04-23 14:35:02 SAST
[06:57] <inetpro> not_found: you'll find highvoltage in #ubuntu-meeting or other channels
[06:58] <inetpro> even #kubuntu-devel
[06:58] <Kilos> i go feed sheep
[06:58] <Kilos> is that better magespawn ?
[06:59] <not_found> inetpro:k cool
[07:12] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:12]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:13] <maiatoday> Hi Kilos
[07:14] <maiatoday> magespawn, I got the info on the ubuntu server book, but it seems that the files are for the person that registered the account only. Not really very useful at all. It basically forces me to hog the book or pass it along illegally.
[07:14] <maiatoday> I am still hoping we'll get the print copy in which case we can pass it around.
[07:16] <magespawn> ty for the info maiatoday
[07:16] <magespawn> ironic really, where are they selling the book?
[07:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:17] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:17] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:17] <Kilos> cocooncrash, thanks alot
[07:24] <not_found> well with the special that they had on the Ubuntu books I am sure any who was serious on having it could have gotten one...
[07:30] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:31] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos! Ever vigilant
[07:32] <Kilos> hehe
[07:33] <Squirm> hi
[07:33] <Vince-0> Squirm, !
[07:35]  * Squirm raises an eyebrow at Vince-0
[07:35] <Squirm> I wish more people were excited to see me :P
[07:39] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:40] <Kilos> ill always greet you. you got my first mxit going on pidgin
[07:40] <Squirm> haha
[07:40] <Squirm> I still have mxit connected to Pidgin
[07:40] <Kilos> me too
[07:41] <Kilos> but now its not such a schlep to get working
[07:41] <Squirm> not that i chat to anyone there
[07:41] <Kilos> i chat family there
[07:43] <Kilos> eish just more and more to learn all the time
[07:43] <Kilos> http://dsl.org/cookbook/
[07:45] <not_found> :)
[07:47] <Trixar_za> Maybe I should try my hand at writing one considering books like that sell
[07:48] <Kilos> business is business
[07:48] <Kilos> one needs to use knowledge to make an income
[07:49] <magespawn> http://www.informit.com/promotions/promotion.aspx?promo=1393626 for those who are interested
[07:49] <Kilos> hey Trixar_za are there lekker repos and all for slitaz or is it hard to use for beginners
[07:49] <Trixar_za> My trouble is normally that I assume people at least have a competence in it. Most writers of those books assume the person knows nothing more than Windows.
[07:50] <Kilos> try write stuff with no pc knowledge
[07:50] <Trixar_za> We have a ever increasing repo, so it's not too bad. Just creating a stable Linux that can use it is half the problem
[07:50] <not_found> I see the promotion has ended
[07:50] <Kilos> ok lemme know when you have it done
[07:51] <Trixar_za> But it's a long story. The short version is that one day there was somebody that tried to change too much and ended up leaving a lot of things broken. Then he quit the project.
[07:51] <magespawn> ah well not_found
[07:51] <magespawn> i got the link from here http://ubuntu-discourse.org/t/official-ubuntu-server-book-3d-edition-now-available/935/2
[07:51] <not_found> but it was a good one while it lasted :p
[07:51] <Kilos> hey magespawn fixing things at times can make one very tired because it opens other avenues
[07:52] <not_found> I meant to mail it on the mailing list and it just dawned on me I had forgotten :/
[07:52] <magespawn> no worries not_found
[07:52] <Kilos> like now maybe the 160g drive that only takes 7 now might be ok
[07:52] <magespawn> yes it does Kilos
[07:52] <Trixar_za> Hmmm
[07:52] <Trixar_za> That book came out in 2004 @ Kilos
[07:52] <magespawn> always looking at why things happen
[07:53] <Kilos> they were all crashing with 12.04 and evolution installed
[07:53] <Kilos> since purging evo i have had no probs on kde or unity
[07:58] <Trixar_za> oo, Linux Pocket Guide looks good
[07:58] <Kilos> lol ya first book i downloaded
[07:59] <Kilos> Maaz, define GNU
[07:59] <Maaz> Kilos: Gnu \Gnu\, n. [Hottentot gnu, or nju: cf. F. gnou.] (Zool.) One of two species of large South African antelopes of the genus {Catoblephas}, having a mane and bushy tail, and curved horns in both sexes. [Written also {gnoo}.] [1913 Webster]  Note: The common gnu or wildebeest ({Catoblephas gnu}) is plain brown; the brindled gnu or blue wildebeest ({C.
[07:59] <Maaz> gorgon}) is larger, with transverse stripes of black on the neck and shoulders. [1913 Webster], …
[08:00] <Kilos> ai!
[08:00] <Kilos> where do them wild cows fit in to using cli?
[08:01]  * not_found will be back later
[08:01] <Trixar_za> GNU Not Unix
[08:01] <Kilos> oh is that same as linux is from unix
[08:02] <Kilos> or is gnu linux
[08:04] <magespawn> i have to go out, bbl
[08:04] <Kilos> go safe
[08:06] <Kilos> ah GNU/Linux Command-Line
[08:06] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[08:06] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:07] <superfly> goo afternoon
[08:07] <superfly> *good
[08:08] <Kilos> yo superfly
[08:09] <psyatw> hi superfly
[08:10] <inetpro> good morning superfly
[08:11] <inetpro> Kilos: GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix!", chosen because GNU's design is Unix-like, but differs from Unix by being free software and containing no Unix code.
[08:11] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:11] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[08:12] <inetpro> Development of GNU was initiated by Richard Stallman in 1983 and was the original focus of the Free Software Foundation (FSF), but no stable release of GNU yet exists as of May 2013.
[08:12] <Trixar_za> Interesting thing is that we can have completely non-gnu linuxes
[08:12] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:12] <Kilos> ai!
[08:13] <Trixar_za> But you still have to build them using gcc which is ironic
[08:13] <Trixar_za> Which is why I want to ask Richard Stallman that question
[08:14] <Trixar_za> Is it still a GNU/Linux if no part of the end product is made by GNU?
[08:14] <psyatw> hi inetpro
[08:14] <psyatw> hi Trixar_za
[08:14] <inetpro> hi psyatw
[08:14] <Kilos> Trixar_za, what are your pcs specs
[08:15] <superfly> Trixar_za: indeed
[08:15] <Kilos> as in a wanna try it on an old p3
[08:15] <Trixar_za> Pretty low. PIII 1,1GHz PC with 256MB RAM of which 16/32 MB is used for Video
[08:16] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:16] <Kilos> methinks my p3 is only 450m
[08:18] <Kilos> but runs maverick fine
[08:21] <Trixar_za> Mhz?
[08:21] <Trixar_za> how much ram?
[08:21] <Kilos> yeah
[08:21] <Kilos> 640m
[08:22] <Trixar_za> Then it should run fine
[08:22] <Kilos> ty
[08:23] <Trixar_za> Should be fine for newer kernel versions too considering that most distros are moving to i686 (meaning PIII is the minimum)
[08:23] <Trixar_za> Might be a little slower with processor intensive stuff though
[08:25] <Kilos> ya maverick also is a bit slow with things but still works
[08:26] <Kilos> and does it come with a network manager or must one use sakis3g
[08:27] <Trixar_za> SliTaz? It still needs sakis3g, but my custom package @ http://www.trixarian.net/SliTaz
[08:28] <Kilos> seeing you are building from scratch cant you build sakis into it
[08:28] <Kilos> excuse stupid questions
[08:28] <Trixar_za> That's the plan
[08:28] <Kilos> aha
[08:28] <Trixar_za> I also want to include that one network manager
[08:30] <Kilos> its good when a pc goes online from bootup without having to open the tool
[08:31] <Trixar_za> https://connman.net/
[08:31] <Trixar_za> I want to make that the connection manager
[08:31] <Kilos> cool
[08:32] <Kilos> i looked at connman when i was struggling here
[08:35] <Kilos> i see you have xchat but what about pidgin?
[08:36] <Trixar_za> Pidgin is in the official package repository
[08:36] <Trixar_za> My package just adds scripting support to xchat
[08:36] <Kilos> ah thats good
[08:37] <Trixar_za> Well, for TCL and Python scripts
[08:37] <Trixar_za> can't get the perl ones to work
[08:37] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:37] <Trixar_za> I'm considering a Qt based desktop at the moment
[08:37] <Trixar_za> https://github.com/Razor-qt/razor-qt/wiki/3rd-party-applications <--- pretty
[08:39] <Kilos> as long as vlc can work too
[08:40] <Trixar_za> VLC is Qt based
[08:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh hi
[08:50] <Trixar_za> bbl
[10:38] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[10:39] <Cantide> hello :)
[10:39] <Cantide> i think i am a little early for the meeting >_>
[10:39] <Kilos> haha
[10:42] <magespawn> o/ Cantide not so you would notice
[10:44] <not_found> :)
[10:45] <Cantide> \o
[10:46] <Kilos> twit,
[10:46] <Kilos> just as well we exporting him
[10:46] <Cantide> 'o'
[10:46] <Cantide> i might be exported quite soon '-';;
[10:47] <Kilos> whats news?
[10:47] <Cantide> looks like i will work in Yeouido, Seoul starting in October
[10:47] <Cantide> the employer was supposed to email me some further details today but didn't -_-
[10:47] <Kilos> nice coupla months then
[10:47] <Cantide> so now i have to wait until tomorrow to know more
[10:47] <Kilos> oh no
[10:48] <Cantide> well, i'll need to get there in 4 or 5 weeks
[10:48] <Cantide> so not really much time
[10:48] <Kilos> great
[10:48] <Cantide> assuming all goes to plan
[10:48] <Cantide> yeah :)
[10:48] <Cantide> Yeouido is a nice place, too :)
[10:49] <Kilos> at least there someone will understand your quit message
[10:49] <Cantide> http://conradhotels3.hilton.com/resources/media/ch/SELCICI/en_US/img/shared/full_page_image_gallery/main/CN_extandyeouido_8_700x525_FitToBoxSmallDimension_Center.jpg
[10:49] <Cantide> oh, what is my quit message? lol
[10:49] <Kilos> dunno weird squigles
[10:50] <Cantide> oh~
[10:50] <Cantide> it's 시작이 반이다
[10:50] <Kilos> ya that
[10:50] <Cantide> which is a saying..
[10:50] <Cantide> it means something like "getting started is half the work"
[10:50] <Kilos> must you read it backwards or upside down
[10:51] <Cantide> nope :p
[10:51] <Kilos> hehe
[10:51] <Cantide> "well begun is half done"
[10:51] <Kilos> ah
[10:51] <Cantide> :)
[10:52] <Cantide> it's pronounced like so - shijaki banida
[10:52] <Kilos> whew
[10:53] <Kilos> how do they make them sounds out of gibberish
[10:53] <Cantide> hahaha
[10:53] <Cantide> more logically than English actually
[10:53]  * not_found will be back in time for the meeting hopefully...
[11:48] <Kilos> hmm... ms ceo retires/resigns?
[11:49] <Kilos> did i hear wrong
[11:54] <magespawn> nope but only in 12 months i think
[11:54] <Kilos> ah
[11:59] <SilverCode> MS stocked rose 7.5% with the news as well
[11:59] <Kilos> lol
[11:59] <SilverCode> and with that rise, Balmer made just under $1B (1M?)
[12:00] <Cantide> http://www.news24.com/Technology/News/Microsofts-Steve-Ballmer-to-retire-20130823
[12:00] <Kilos> on idiot box news they were wondering who would take over and if ms would break up
[12:00] <Cantide> i don't think MS will collapse just yet
[12:00] <Cantide> Apple will before them, i think
[12:01] <SilverCode> Apple haev too much money to collapse
[12:01] <SilverCode> *have
[12:02] <Cantide> true
[12:02] <SilverCode> they could probably keep trying new things for the next 10 years hoping something sticks before they run out of money
[12:02] <Cantide> but they would shut down if they were running at a loss with no end in sight
[12:02] <Cantide> ah, true that
[12:02] <Cantide> i had the pleasure of sitting with two apple fanboys last night
[12:03] <Cantide> trying to justify some of the apple lunacy
[12:03] <Cantide> i was sure to let that conversation die :D
[12:03] <SilverCode> I find myself surrounded by Apple fanboys often, but thankfully their fanboism has died down a little since they lost their God
[12:04] <SilverCode> but it still ammuses me when I show them something like KDE Connect on my Android Phone + KDE Desktop, and they have to try stifle their excitement and pretend they dont care
[12:05] <Kilos> hehe
[12:23] <magespawn> I recently had a somebody getting really excited about icloud and being able to install software across devices
[12:28] <Cantide> SilverCode, haha :)
[12:35] <magespawn> bbl fish time
[12:38] <Cantide> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/1236039_631165816915131_955571496_n.jpg
[14:02] <magespawn> Cantide: happy cat
[14:04] <theblazehen> hey guys, maaz coffee please
[14:08] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:08]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[14:08] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[14:08] <theblazehen> hey Kilos
[14:09] <theblazehen> y eyes hurt :(
[14:09] <theblazehen> My*
[14:09] <Kilos> i see peeps dont even check if there is such a channel as #linux-studies
[14:09] <Kilos> what you been looking at
[14:09] <theblazehen> ah
[14:10] <theblazehen> 60Hz CRT
[14:10] <theblazehen> there is #linux-tutorials,which redirects to #nixtuts
[14:10] <Kilos> sit further back
[14:11] <theblazehen> Not helping. Better at 70.2 Hz, but netbook won't support
[14:11] <Kilos> this studies channel is our own controlled by kbmonkey
[14:11] <Kilos> he did the work
[14:11] <theblazehen> Yeah
[14:11] <theblazehen> just saysing that people may find -tuts easier than -studies
[14:12] <Kilos> lol
[14:12] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:12] <Kilos> Maaz, define tuts
[14:12] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about tuts. Maybe you meant Tut, nuts, tut, tutsi, guts, tues, tums, tutu, uts, tts or tsts?
[14:12] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:12] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:12] <theblazehen> tutorials
[14:13] <Kilos> we started off with high hopes for LPI
[14:13] <Kilos> do you have the manual
[14:13] <theblazehen> manual?
[14:13] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI manual
[14:13] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[14:14] <theblazehen> nope
[14:15] <Vince_0> there's been a revision in LPI1 from mid 2012 -
[14:15] <theblazehen> Will get later, on desktop. Can't scroll properly here. Too laggy
[14:15] <Kilos> get it then , sooner or later it will be done
[14:15] <theblazehen> k
[14:15] <Kilos> you can write the exam and be qualified
[14:15] <theblazehen> Awesome
[14:15] <theblazehen> How much does it cost to write?
[14:15] <Kilos> recognised world wide
[14:16] <Kilos> whatever the varsity or test centre will cost
[14:16] <Vince_0> R1125 per exam x2 - ish at pearsonvue test center
[14:16] <theblazehen> ah ok
[14:16] <Kilos> ty Vince_0
[14:16] <Vince_0> kk, I'm busy practicing
[14:17] <Vince_0> it's not as easy as I thought
[14:17] <theblazehen> ah hey Vince_0
[14:17] <Kilos> good man
[14:17] <Vince_0> need to get 70% to pass
[14:17] <Kilos> i gotta go rest a while
[14:18] <Kilos> oh Vince_0 where do i join your lug lists
[14:18] <Kilos> before i forget again
[14:19] <Vince_0> I'm not sure - I can check member list
[14:19] <Vince_0> theblazehen, check these blogs about details for comptia Linux+, LPI1 and Novel certs in one
[14:19] <Vince_0> http://www.ceyhunkirmizitas.net/linux/linux-certification-pass-only-2-exams-then-get-comptia-linux-lpi-lpic-1-novell-cla-and-novell-dcts/
[14:19] <Vince_0> http://greg.porter.name/wordpress/?p=1137
[14:21] <Vince_0> Kilos, kilosblunt?
[14:21] <theblazehen> thanks Vince_0
[14:22] <Kilos-> ai!
[14:22] <theblazehen> DC?
[14:23] <Kilos-> hey?
[14:23] <theblazehen> DicConnected?
[14:23] <Kilos-> sorry was disconnected
[14:23] <Kilos-> lol ya
[14:23] <Kilos-> but modem never showed it
[14:23] <theblazehen> ah ok
[14:23] <Kilos-> oh theblazehen have you joined ours?
[14:23] <theblazehen> oUR lug?
[14:24] <Kilos-> our mailing list
[14:24] <theblazehen> yeah
[14:24] <Kilos-> good
[14:25] <Kilos-> how come you arent tuning your buddies to join us here
[14:25] <Vince_0> meeting tonight!
[14:25] <Kilos-> yes Vince_0
[14:25] <theblazehen> Kilos-, I try, but they never really stay
[14:25] <Kilos> washouts
[14:25] <theblazehen> docs.google.com
[14:25] <Vince-0> at least everyone uses mail so the mail-lists should be first option for contact
[14:26] <theblazehen> oop[s
[14:26] <Kilos> Vince-0, where do i join your lug lists please
[14:26] <Kilos> mage forgot me
[14:29] <Vince-0> Durban LUG, I see a kilosblunt there already
[14:30] <Kilos> oh  that was the addy that opened when i last joined g+
[14:30] <Kilos> np
[14:30] <Kilos> there must be more there too
[14:30] <Vince-0> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/dbnlug
[14:31] <Kilos> ai!
[14:31] <Kilos> that g+ google is painful
[14:31] <Vince-0> yep, bit too social
[14:31] <Vince-0> not really for organising
[14:31] <Kilos> you can see ms had a finger in the pie there
[14:35] <Kilos> ok just added kilosblunt to thunderbird, will see if you peeps mail
[14:36] <Kilos> inetpro, jaag hulle vanaand
[14:37] <inetpro> uh?
[14:39] <Kilos> by die skool vergadering man
[14:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:39] <inetpro> oh
[14:39] <inetpro> why?
[14:40] <magespawn> Vince-0: that is handy info about the linux exam and novell cert ty
[14:41] <Kilos> so that you dont miss our meet. we need your input
[14:41] <Kilos> even though the more you put in the worse my head hurts
[14:41] <Kilos> now i go rest
[14:45] <Vince-0> magespawn, kk -
[14:45] <Vince-0> im out! bbl
[14:50] <inetpro> ai!
[15:07] <magespawn> see you at the meeting, later all
[16:09] <kbmonkey> yeehaa
[16:09] <Kilos> lo monkey
[16:10] <kbmonkey> lo grams
[16:10] <Kilos> hehe
[16:10] <kbmonkey> hehe
[16:11] <kbmonkey> did you rest Kilos ?
[16:11] <Kilos> a while yeah ty
[16:11] <Kilos> will lurk tonight
[16:11] <kbmonkey> that is nice
[16:11] <kbmonkey> i had to make dinner and did washing
[16:11] <Kilos> na didnt help
[16:11] <kbmonkey> awe
[16:11] <Kilos> good lad
[16:12] <kbmonkey> it helps even to lie down even if you dont sleep
[16:12] <Kilos> its all this new stuffs messing up the head
[16:13] <Kilos> need to play freecell only for a week
[16:13] <kbmonkey> the card game? that is a fun one!
[16:13] <Kilos> yeah
[16:16] <kbmonkey> man, this google chrome render bug is so annoying! I hope this update fixes it
[16:20] <Kilos> methinks meet might stretch time a bit tonight
[16:21] <kbmonkey> why do you say that Kilos ? it starts at 8 right? we moved the time up as I remember
[16:21] <Cantide> oh, 8 now? 'o'
[16:21] <Kilos> 19.30
[16:21] <Cantide> whew :)
[16:21] <Kilos> oh is it at 8pm
[16:21] <Cantide> ._.
[16:21] <Kilos> i forget
[16:22] <Cantide> i hope i'll still be here then
[16:22] <Kilos> have looked at minutes
[16:22] <magespawn> evening
[16:22] <Kilos> hope they updated
[16:22] <Cantide> keen to hear more about the python programming plan '<
[16:22] <Kilos> hi magespawn is meet a 8
[16:22] <magespawn> inetpro: suggested it, so that lug people can join
[16:22] <Kilos> Cantide, you got the book yet?
[16:22] <magespawn> yes Kilos
[16:22] <Cantide> book? >_> the one from the mailing list?
[16:23] <Cantide> unfortunately not..
[16:23] <Kilos> wait
[16:23] <Cantide> now is not really a good time for me to invest time in something :/
[16:23] <Kilos> Maaz, google byte of python
[16:23] <Maaz> Kilos: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/ :: "Byte Array Objects — Python v2.7.5 documentation" http://docs.python.org/2/c-api/bytearray.html ::
[16:23] <Maaz> "A Byte of Python by Swaroop C.H. - Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs ..." http://www.goodrea…
[16:23] <Kilos> there Cantide you can start
[16:23] <Kilos> its quite easy in the beginning
[16:24] <magespawn> Cantide: why? anybody would think you are going overseas or something
[16:24] <Cantide> hehe
[16:24] <Cantide> magespawn, touche :p
[16:24] <Kilos> oh my and i told peeps 19.30
[16:24] <kbmonkey> my google reminder issued by the group says 8pm, the G+ event page says 7pm, lol
[16:24] <Cantide> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/1185220_632316993466680_2074991583_n.jpg
[16:24] <Cantide> amidoinitrite?
[16:24] <Kilos> Cantide, never stop learning man
[16:25] <magespawn> better early than late
[16:25] <kbmonkey> books are not so nice for coding - they become outdated in a year :(
[16:25] <Kilos> byteof python is not too hard once you figured idle out
[16:25] <Cantide> sure, but if i start now, i have a few weeks, then a few weeks / months with no pc...
[16:25] <Cantide> and i will have a lot of other things to keep me busy preparing to leave soon :/
[16:25] <Kilos> why no pc?
[16:25] <Cantide> not taking my PC with me - just the HDD
[16:26] <kbmonkey> wat? big snake o_O
[16:26] <Cantide> then i'll build a new one there after a few paychecks :p
[16:26] <Cantide> might get a laptop in the meantime
[16:26] <Kilos> look for a cheap lappy
[16:26] <Cantide> yeah
[16:26] <Kilos> must be cheaper there
[16:26] <Cantide> i hate windows though :/
[16:26] <Cantide> will have to format it
[16:26] <Kilos> and use your drive externally
[16:26] <Cantide> yeah
[16:26] <Cantide> i have thought of this :)
[16:27] <magespawn> esquire has one with no os
[16:27] <Cantide> a requirement is also a Korean keyboard.. so..
[16:27] <Cantide> anyway, i will check it out over there :p
[16:27] <magespawn> can't help with that one
[16:27] <Cantide> i should be staying quite close to the electronics district
[16:27] <Kilos> they will surely have them there with korean and peeps keys
[16:27] <Cantide> yup
[16:28] <Cantide> i have a friend that worked for LG, so i think she can help with cheap laptops
[16:28] <Kilos> or make a remastersys dvd of your system now and boot from that with any pc
[16:28] <Cantide> but she left Korea for a while -.-
[16:28] <Cantide> heh
[16:28] <Cantide> could do :p
[16:28] <Cantide> but i want my HDD anyway
[16:28] <Cantide> so i will just keep it until i get a chance to build a new one
[16:29] <kbmonkey> Cantide, you will like this - http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Windows-freebsd.jpg
[16:29]  * Cantide clicks
[16:29] <Cantide> hahaha
[16:29] <Cantide> nice :D
[16:29] <kbmonkey> butterfly suit wtf?! :D
[16:30] <Kilos> wb theblazehen
[16:31] <theblazehen> Ty Kilos
[16:31] <theblazehen> XDMX is a POS
[16:34] <theblazehen> Meeting in an hour?
[16:34] <Kilos> 8 pm
[16:34] <theblazehen> k
[16:34] <Kilos> i forgot time was changed too
[16:34] <Kilos> sigh
[16:34] <theblazehen> ah :/
[16:34] <theblazehen> Phone usually reminds me 1 hour ahead
[16:35] <kbmonkey> yar, which lug people was it again Kilos ?
[16:36] <Kilos> hmm... not the durbs peeps
[16:37] <Kilos> you know the minutes to the last meet
[16:37] <kbmonkey> the folks up north perhaps
[16:37] <Kilos> josie peeps?
[16:40] <nuvolari> o/ hello's :D
[16:41] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[16:41] <nuvolari> lo kbmonkey, theblazehen
[16:41] <Kilos> lo nuvolari wt
[16:41] <theblazehen> hi nuvolari
[16:41] <nuvolari> and, Cantide, magespawn, Vince-0
[16:41] <magespawn> hey nuvolari
[16:41]  * nuvolari wets the floor like a little excited puppy
[16:41] <nuvolari> RMS is coming to town!
[16:42] <theblazehen> I know!
[16:42] <theblazehen> I'm going to see him!
[16:43] <nuvolari> hmm, I need to look up the location
[16:43] <theblazehen> Lol nuvolari when I first heard about it I was like a teen girl with justin bieber tickets :p
[16:43] <theblazehen> nuvolari, got tickets?
[16:43] <nuvolari> lol theblazehen!
[16:44] <nuvolari> theblazehen: well, I've registered for the event here in KZN
[16:44] <nuvolari> not tickets per se
[16:44]  * nuvolari prods Vince-0
[16:44] <theblazehen> ah ok
[16:44] <nuvolari> do we get tickets?
[16:44] <theblazehen> need tickets for jhb
[16:44] <theblazehen> http://sfd-jhb-2013.eventbrite.com/
[16:44] <nuvolari> theblazehen: send joburgers down here if they are out of tickets over there
[16:44] <theblazehen> Still got tickets here
[16:46] <nuvolari> ok, so what questions would not be greeted with his cold response?
[16:46] <Cantide> hey nuvolari :)
[16:46] <theblazehen> nuvolari, ?
[16:46] <nuvolari> the last time I've listened to a podcast, I thought to myself to maybe never ask him something :P
[16:46] <Cantide> oh yeah, when is the event here in SA?
[16:46] <theblazehen> Cantide, 31 AUG for jhb
[16:47] <nuvolari> Cantide: you're here in Kzn right?
[16:47] <theblazehen> Cantide, softwarefreedom.co.za has dates
[16:47] <nuvolari> Sept. 6th here in KZN
[16:48] <Cantide> ouch
[16:48] <Cantide> i should be able to make that =)
[16:48] <nuvolari> Cantide: http://rms-durban.eventbrite.com/
[16:51] <kbmonkey> thanks nuvolari !
[16:51] <Cantide> thanks :)
[16:51]  * kbmonkey add agenda item
[16:52] <Kilos> yo queery
[16:52] <nuvolari> howdy queery
[16:52] <theblazehen> hi queery
[16:52] <Kilos> meet starts at 20.00
[16:53] <queery> Hi all
[16:53] <queery> Oh common!
[16:53] <Kilos> werent you at the last meeting
[16:53] <theblazehen> Lol queery, also got wrong time
[16:53] <queery> Hmmm
[16:53] <queery> No
[16:53]  * theblazehen points to kilos
[16:53] <nuvolari> wha hey?
[16:53] <nuvolari> oh
[16:53] <Kilos> thats where dates and time was changed
[16:54] <queery> I c
[16:54] <Kilos> point at kbmonkey he shoulda corrected me inna mail
[16:54] <queery> Let me change the calender
[16:54] <Kilos> queery, wasnt it chaqnged for you peeps
[16:54] <queery> Ok so last or 4th Monday?
[16:54] <Kilos> yip
[16:55] <nuvolari> which yip?
[16:55] <queery> No that's a question
[16:55] <nuvolari> :P
[16:55] <Kilos> 4th
[16:55] <queery> Ah
[16:56] <queery> Ok now the calender don't show nothin
[16:56] <queery> I'm confused
[16:56] <Kilos> yo smile
[16:56] <Cantide> hey smile :)
[16:57] <queery> Oh wait I was on wrong week
[16:57] <Kilos> lol
[16:57] <theblazehen> hi smile
[16:57] <Kilos> theblazehen, you and smile are about the same size
[16:57] <smile> hi :D
[16:58] <theblazehen> Kilos, how?
[16:58] <queery> I see the One from Ubuntu-ZA was changed my personal one was wrong (why do I have that?
[16:58] <Kilos> age wise
[16:58] <Kilos> if im not mistook
[16:58] <theblazehen> ah. How old is smile?
[16:58] <Kilos> young
[16:58] <Kilos> hehe
[16:59] <theblazehen> oh lol
[16:59] <queery> The g+ time is 7
[16:59] <smile> 18, why? :D
[16:59] <Kilos> i forget if he finished school yet
[16:59] <theblazehen> Just wondering
[16:59] <nuvolari> uuugh! how much is a proper chair?
[16:59] <smile> not yet :D three years to go
[16:59] <smile> ;)
[16:59] <Kilos> i think the pro also forgot queery
[17:00] <Kilos> was his suggestion to change it so it would suit lug peeps
[17:01] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, have you grabbed some seatings from RMS yet on that site link you gave?
[17:02] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I have to verify with Vince-0
[17:02] <nuvolari> I think I registered via the dlug website
[17:02] <kbmonkey> I'll love to attend! will need to find out about lifts.
[17:03] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: you can grab a lift with me
[17:03] <nuvolari> I'm taking half day leave
[17:03] <kbmonkey> my car's battery is dead - I will appreciate that a lot nuvolari :D
[17:03] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: cool!
[17:03] <Cantide> i want to go..
[17:03] <kbmonkey> we can get lost together finding the place ;)
[17:03] <Cantide> don't think i want to go alone though -.-
[17:04] <nuvolari> I'm not sure at what time I'm going, but people from work said I need to go early otherwise traffic will be a mess
[17:04] <Cantide> yeah
[17:04] <kbmonkey> indeed, I think the exact same
[17:04] <kbmonkey> traffic starts up around 4pm
[17:04] <kbmonkey> so before that
[17:05] <Vince-0> haai
[17:05] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, What time does it start in dbn
[17:05] <theblazehen> hi Vince-0
[17:05] <kbmonkey> the page says 5pm theblazehen
[17:05] <nuvolari> haai Vince-0
[17:05] <kbmonkey> hai Vince-0
[17:05] <Vince-0> http://rms-durban.eventbrite.com/ for the UKZN register
[17:06] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, K thx. Going to jhb anyway, starts at 9
[17:06] <Vince-0> http://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=10 for the LUG register
[17:06] <nuvolari> Vince-0: should the eventbrite page show if I'm registered? I'm not sure if I completed the form on the dlug website... I know I was busy filling it out, but whether I submitted is a guess :P
[17:07] <Vince-0> the confirm page is broken on durbanlinux
[17:07] <Vince-0> you're there
[17:07] <Vince-0> about 100 people so far!
[17:07] <nuvolari> \o/
[17:07] <nuvolari> wow
[17:07] <nuvolari> that's great
[17:07] <Cantide> cool~
[17:07] <theblazehen> nuvolari, should send you a pdf in the mail
[17:07] <Cantide> maybe i will go, and meet you guys there?
[17:08]  * Cantide doesn't want to spend 3 or 4 hours alone
[17:08] <Cantide> haha
[17:08] <kbmonkey> registered, thanks :)
[17:08] <theblazehen> Who else is going to jhb one as well?
[17:08] <Cantide> >_>
[17:10] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: what time will you get off?
[17:10] <nuvolari> Cantide: depending on the time of arrival, we can hang out
[17:10] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:10] <nuvolari> oh hi SmilyBorg_h
[17:10] <Cantide> yay
[17:10] <Kilos> SmilyBorg_h,
[17:10] <SmilyBorg_h> Hey all
[17:10] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, I can get off any time after 1pm. is that okay?
[17:11] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[17:11] <Kilos> hehe
[17:11] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: cool, I'll be leaving by 12:00-12:30
[17:11] <kbmonkey> hai SmilyBorg !
[17:12] <nuvolari> is there stuff to do on campus in the case we get there early and find ourselves thumb-tumbling?
[17:12] <SmilyBorg> hey kbmonkey :-)
[17:12] <Cantide> nuvolari, go across the road to the driving range haha
[17:12] <kbmonkey> in fact I can make it 12 even, just realized that is lunch time :p
[17:13] <nuvolari> Cantide: cool! I'll go on a golf-cart run :P
[17:13] <Cantide> lol
[17:13] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:13] <nuvolari> that's the most fun I believe golf can provide
[17:14] <Cantide> it's just a driving range though :/ no course there
[17:14] <smile> :S
[17:14]  * smile hugs Cantide
[17:14] <Cantide> 'o'
[17:14]  * Cantide is hugged by smile 'o'
[17:14] <Cantide> there is also a KFC very close to UKZN
[17:15] <Cantide> i know i will be hungry between 5 pm and 7 pm
[17:15] <nuvolari> good idea! I'll be missing lunch at work
[17:15] <Cantide> so snacking before would help >.<
[17:15] <kbmonkey> apparently there will be eats provided. I hear RMS is baking muffins.
[17:15] <Cantide> oh~~
[17:15] <Cantide> :p
[17:15] <nuvolari> we should do a picnic :P
[17:15] <Kilos> yum snacking on kfc is good
[17:16] <kbmonkey> gimme a nice bowl of strawberries anytime!
[17:16] <Cantide> >.<
[17:17] <Kilos> with cream
[17:17] <Cantide> this is starting to sound better and better
[17:17] <kbmonkey> bettetter?
[17:17] <theblazehen> Agreed Cantide
[17:17] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you should try growing your own there
[17:17] <Kilos> inna pot
[17:17] <Cantide> the mostest betterest
[17:18] <nuvolari> ok, I located UKZN on google maps at last
[17:18] <Cantide> Kilos, in Durban? haha
[17:18] <nuvolari> where exactly do we go?
[17:18] <Cantide> nuvolari, I know where it is
[17:18] <Kilos> yeah
[17:18] <Cantide> i mean i know where UKZN is >.<
[17:18] <Cantide> not too far from where i am
[17:18] <Kilos> they quite hardy plants
[17:18] <Cantide> DNB is too hot for the fruit though :/
[17:18] <kbmonkey> they don't seem too hard in my blender >.<
[17:18] <Kilos> i dunno
[17:18] <Cantide> nuvolari, according to that events page they have yet to confirm the building
[17:18] <magespawn> make  nice hanging decorations
[17:19] <Kilos> go check at a nursery they will tell you
[17:19] <nuvolari> ah, I missed that, thanks Cantide
[17:23] <Kilos> http://www.property24.com/articles/grow-your-own-succulent-strawberries/15084
[17:23] <theblazehen> hey DarkSurferZA
[17:24] <Kilos> im sure theyll do well in durbs
[17:24] <Kilos> yo DarkSurferZA
[17:24] <DarkSurferZA> Hi
[17:24] <nuvolari> howdy DarkSurferZA
[17:24] <DarkSurferZA> Kilos, your nick sounds fimiliar
[17:24] <theblazehen> DarkSurferZA, He always says
[17:24] <theblazehen> hi
[17:24] <Cantide> :D
[17:24] <Kilos> we have chatted here before methinks
[17:25] <DarkSurferZA> Thought so.
[17:25] <DarkSurferZA> First time joining the ubuntu-za channel
[17:25] <DarkSurferZA> Thought  i could get more involved
[17:25] <Kilos> first time?
[17:25] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:25] <DarkSurferZA> I am on the mailing list, but havent joined the IRC before
[17:26] <Kilos> where are you and what do you do
[17:26] <nuvolari> this is where things are happening
[17:26] <Kilos> im sure we have chatted
[17:26] <nuvolari> howdy charl
[17:26] <theblazehen> hi ChanServ
[17:26] <charl> hi, is the meeting now?
[17:26] <Kilos> hi charl
[17:26] <theblazehen> hi charl*
[17:26] <charl> oh only at 20:00
[17:26] <Kilos> 8pm
[17:26] <theblazehen> charl nope not yet
[17:26] <charl> hi Kilos, theblazehen
[17:26] <DarkSurferZA> A security consultant at an audit firm
[17:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:27] <charl> brb
[17:27] <DarkSurferZA> Not so much fun.Better hacking things at a bank
[17:27] <kbmonkey> cool DarkSurferZA , welcome!
[17:27] <theblazehen> wb charl
[17:27] <charl> thanks theblazehen
[17:27] <DarkSurferZA> Thanks kbmonkey
[17:28] <DarkSurferZA> Kilos, where r u from?
[17:28] <Kilos> pta
[17:28] <kbmonkey> oh nuvolari it was ludum dare this past weekend (game coding compo)
[17:29] <DarkSurferZA> Cool. Anyone here alsoon the ZaCon IRC?
[17:29] <kbmonkey> what is ZaCon IRC DarkSurferZA ?
[17:30] <superfly> I thought the meeting was at 19:30?
[17:30] <Cantide> South African IRC network?
[17:30] <charl> superfly: i thought so too apparently it changed
[17:30] <superfly> eish, 20:00 is inconvenient
[17:30] <charl> yeah man why move the time
[17:30] <Cantide> yeah, i'm sleepy already ._.
[17:30] <charl> hey Cantide :)
[17:30] <Cantide> mosquitoes kept me up until 2 am last night .-.
[17:30] <Cantide> hey charl :)
[17:30] <kbmonkey> aah, infosec.. interesting!
[17:30] <charl> i also had a mosquito in my apartment yesterday :(
[17:30] <DarkSurferZA> ZaCon is the local hacker irc channel. Usually linux and hacking go together
[17:30] <charl> fortunately it didn't bother or bite me
[17:31] <charl> DarkSurferZA: which network?
[17:31] <Cantide> i had a giant one that i could feel landing on me as i tried to sleep -.-
[17:31] <Kilos> nope sorry superfly
[17:31] <charl> yeah this one also was huge
[17:31] <charl> i was chasing it around but couldn't kill it
[17:31] <kbmonkey> ya superfly, last time someone suggested to try that so the lug folks can join after their meet
[17:31] <Cantide> also, tomorrow might be a really cool day, so i want to sleep early so it will come sooner :)
[17:31] <charl> but that was just before i went to bed
[17:31] <Cantide> charl, tough luck
[17:31] <Cantide> hah, maybe it left you and flew to me -_-
[17:31] <kbmonkey> Kilos, thinking about that - since the day changed to another monday does that not mean the time wont clash anymore?
[17:32] <charl> lol
[17:32] <charl> oh it's on atrum: http://zacon.org.za/irc.html
[17:32] <Kilos> i dunno kbmonkey we must ask the pro
[17:32] <DarkSurferZA> Crud, mosquitos already? Springtime is almost here
[17:32] <Cantide> yeah :(
[17:32] <Cantide> i will escape before summer :)
[17:32] <Kilos> i think 30 mins was added so family peeps can first have some family and supper time
[17:33] <kbmonkey> thanks for that DarkSurferZA, I think I'll check it out some time...
[17:33] <kbmonkey> I am interested in crypto and security
[17:33] <DarkSurferZA> Np
[17:34] <DarkSurferZA> Any specific infosec speciality?
[17:34] <kbmonkey> no, but I do implement cryptography and security models in the systems I develop at work. but nothing beyond the ordinary, yet
[17:35] <DarkSurferZA> Cool.
[17:35] <charl> hi psychicist
[17:35] <psychicist> hi charl
[17:35] <charl> how's the weather in poland
[17:35] <charl> here it's an absolutely beautiful day today
[17:35] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[17:35] <psychicist> it's still pretty good over here too
[17:35] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[17:36] <charl> psychicist: i assume you get much more sunshine in poland than us :P
[17:36] <psychicist> charl, definitely :P
[17:36] <charl> lol
[17:36] <charl> big surprise :P
[17:36] <psychicist> but winter is coming and it will also be tougher than back in the netherlands
[17:37] <psychicist> hahaha
[17:37] <charl> oh yes your winters are much more severe
[17:37] <charl> when we get eastern wind we get german weather, clear skies but ice cold
[17:37] <charl> in the winter
[17:37] <superfly> kbmonkey: how secure are your servers?
[17:38] <kbmonkey> superfly, well they are not Linux, so probably like swiss cheese XD
[17:38] <Kilos> lol
[17:38] <kbmonkey> gotta pay those bills ;)
[17:38] <psychicist> yeah
[17:38] <nuvolari> sounds cheesy to me
[17:39] <psychicist> hi bmg505
[17:39] <psychicist> hi superfly
[17:39] <psychicist> hmm
[17:39] <superfly> kbmonkey: no, you don't understand... can I walk into your data centre and walk out with a server in my arms?
[17:39] <psychicist> hi kbmonkey
[17:39] <superfly> hi psychicist
[17:39] <DarkSurferZA> Lol.
[17:39] <DarkSurferZA> I have seen this, and worse
[17:39] <theblazehen> DarkSurferZA, mind sharing tales?
[17:39] <psychicist> I'll be back later, I'm going out for dinner!
[17:39] <charl> superfly: and if you don't do it, the nsa will do it for you :P
[17:39] <superfly> kbmonkey: security is not just about protection against crackers and viruses
[17:40] <kbmonkey> not likely superfly, it is a financial firm so security is tight. and the second server is hosted on site with a data center
[17:40] <DarkSurferZA> Seen a windows NT server at a client once. The last year
[17:40] <Kilos> enjoy psychicist
[17:40] <kbmonkey> * I mean at a server farm
[17:40] <charl> DarkSurferZA: NT 4.0 ?!
[17:40] <psychicist> thanks Kilos
[17:40] <DarkSurferZA> Was so secure cause my shellcode exploits wouldnt compile on it.
[17:40] <DarkSurferZA> NT 4.0 sp4
[17:40] <charl> lol
[17:40] <charl> it's so old it's actually hard to exploit ?!
[17:40] <charl> whow this would be a new problem
[17:41] <Cantide> lol
[17:41] <charl> last time i used nt was 13 years ago before moving to win2k
[17:41] <DarkSurferZA> Had to pull out a cd from my graveyard to research libs and sys calls.
[17:41] <Cantide> last time i used Windows was 5 years ago before moving to Ubuntu >_>
[17:41]  * Cantide hides
[17:42] <theblazehen> Cantide, no need to hide :P
[17:42] <Cantide> nah, i'm a bit off topic :p
[17:42] <DarkSurferZA> Last time i found a secure server, the power was off
[17:42] <Cantide> lol
[17:42] <kbmonkey> ha ha!
[17:43] <kbmonkey> the only way to win is to not play, eh?
[17:43] <DarkSurferZA> True
[17:43] <theblazehen> relevant techcrunch.com/2013/04/14/nes-robot/
[17:44] <DarkSurferZA> Or just apply common sense. As long as your competition loses worse than you, its the same as a win
[17:44] <Kilos> hehe
[17:45] <kbmonkey> I just plug in the codes at work. but most of that OS has such insane defaults,it baffles me how it operates
[17:45] <theblazehen> hi stegreen
[17:45] <Kilos> hi stegreen welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:45] <DarkSurferZA> Easy, it operates badly. Seen ballmer resigned
[17:46]  * kbmonkey hugs terminal
[17:46] <kbmonkey> developers! developer! developers! that guy is creepy.
[17:46]  * superfly last used Windows when XP was the latest and greatest
[17:46] <DarkSurferZA> Made himself 768 million USD for resigning.Share price increased 7% after the announcement and he owns 330 million shares
[17:47] <theblazehen> Good choice :)
[17:47] <superfly> he might have made more if he'd resigned earlier :-P
[17:47] <kbmonkey> no comment or else it will be too rude ;)
[17:48] <theblazehen> lol kbmonkey
[17:48] <DarkSurferZA> Step 1 drive company into the ground. Step 2, get lots of cheap shares. Step 3, resign and watch the share price increase
[17:48] <kbmonkey> 4. ??? 5. profit!
[17:48] <theblazehen> skip 4
[17:48] <magespawn> 4. Laugh all the way to the bank
[17:49] <DarkSurferZA> How to make millions - steve ballmer. Best seller btw
[17:49] <Cantide> lol
[17:49] <DarkSurferZA> Found it ridiculous that he is the second highest shareholder in microsoft
[17:50] <magespawn> obvious, he knew what he was doingg
[17:51] <DarkSurferZA> Obvioushim and bill were buddies
[17:52] <DarkSurferZA> Soz, my space bar doesnt register if u hit the side of it
[17:52] <magespawn> no worries
[17:52] <theblazehen> My "M" Won't if I hit on on the top
[17:52] <kbmonkey> tell me you do not detect a slight hint of psychosis in ballmer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc
[17:53] <charl> complete maniac
[17:53] <DarkSurferZA> Slight as in slight, or slight as in I am being so sarcastic right now
[17:53] <superfly> Seriously, either 19:30 or 20:30. 20:00 is bed time for the kids, I cannot be at the meeting.
[17:53] <magespawn>  no he is rich therefore eccentric not crazy
[17:54] <Kilos> well change it tonight superfly
[17:54] <Kilos> maybe 8.30 is good hey?
[17:54] <kbmonkey> yes we'll change it tonight
[17:54] <Kilos> kbmonkey, have you got the link for the minutes
[17:54] <kbmonkey> you can check back in after superfly, we may still be going
[17:55] <magespawn> that is also good for me
[17:55] <kbmonkey> I do Kilos
[17:55] <Kilos> meet starts in 5
[17:55] <Kilos> good man
[17:55] <charl> talking about security, i was just watching the latest episodeof hak5, they are talking about the usb rubber ducky
[17:56] <charl> http://www.usbrubberducky.com/
[17:56] <kbmonkey> going to make some tea then...
[17:56] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[17:56]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:56] <charl> Maaz: coffee please
[17:56] <Maaz> charl: Alrighty
[17:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[17:57] <queery> Maaz coffee for all
[17:57] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[17:57] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[17:57] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[17:57] <queery> Maaz coffee please
[17:57] <Maaz> queery: Alrighty
[17:57] <theblazehen> Maaz large
[17:57] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you theblazehen
[17:57] <charl> another awesome project: https://wifipineapple.com/
[17:57] <DarkSurferZA> Usb attacks emulating keyboards is the new best thing. Havent seen this one yet, but it will make epic corp malware
[17:57] <theblazehen> lol http://pastebin.com/z78yQY4Z
[17:58] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[17:58] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry, there aren't any more cups left
[17:58] <nuvolari> :'(
[17:58] <nuvolari> Maaz: tequila-shot please
[17:58] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[17:59] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:59] <queery> Wait Maaz has a limit?
[17:59] <theblazehen> 4 cups
[18:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey, charl, Kilos and queery!
[18:00] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:00] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:00] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[18:00] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[18:00] <queery> Maaz ty
[18:00] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[18:00] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee on
[18:00] <theblazehen> Maaz ty
[18:00]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:00] <Maaz> You are welcome theblazehen
[18:00] <nuvolari> lagging :-/
[18:00] <theblazehen> maaz ty
[18:00] <Maaz> You are welcome theblazehen
[18:01] <theblazehen> maaz ty again ?
[18:01] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sorry...
[18:01] <nuvolari> badly
[18:01] <kbmonkey> alrighty, let's start eh..
[18:01] <charl> ok it's time for the meeting
[18:01] <queery> Yes please
[18:01] <charl> get the show on the road
[18:02] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meet
[18:02]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:02] <queery> Been waiting a week and one hour :p
[18:02] <nuvolari> yeah... running late
[18:02] <nuvolari> oh fudge!
[18:02] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Introductions and welcome
[18:02] <Maaz> Current Topic: Introductions and welcome
[18:02] <charl> los gehts
[18:02] <queery> Maaz in dewald
[18:02] <Maaz> queery: What?
[18:02] <kbmonkey> hello everyone, welcome to the meeting!
[18:02] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[18:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[18:02] <queery> Maaz I am dewald
[18:02] <Maaz> queery: Okay
[18:02] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:02] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[18:02] <kbmonkey> please introduce yourself to the resident bot Maaz
[18:02] <theblazehen> Maaz I am Jeandre Henderson
[18:02] <Maaz> theblazehen: Okay
[18:02] <queery> Autocorrect....
[18:03] <SmilyBorg> Maaz: I am Una Karlsen
[18:03] <Maaz> SmilyBorg: Yessir
[18:03] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:03] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Yessir
[18:03] <DarkSurferZA> Maaz, I am Cailan Sacks
[18:03] <Maaz> DarkSurferZA: Okay
[18:03] <SmilyBorg> Maaz: thats ma'am
[18:03] <Maaz> SmilyBorg: Huh?
[18:03] <SmilyBorg> silly bot
[18:03] <kbmonkey> it is not sensitive enough :)
[18:04] <Cantide> Maaz, I am Karl Wortmann
[18:04] <Maaz> Cantide: Yessir
[18:04] <Kilos> haha @ SmilyBorg
[18:04] <SmilyBorg> had to correct people last week. I'm semi-used to it, but it gets old
[18:04] <kbmonkey> okay all, so what usually happens is we have and agenda and just talk about stuff. sometimes Kilos brings waffles.
[18:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for nuvolari!
[18:04] <Kilos> hehe
[18:05] <kbmonkey> excuse my typos, I type faster than this ssh connection can move the bytes
[18:05] <kbmonkey> our agenda for tonight lives at: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/623/detail/
[18:05] <kbmonkey> I will give a minute for that to sink in
[18:06]  * kbmonkey sips tea
[18:07] <Kilos> superfly, do you prefer 8.30?
[18:07] <kbmonkey> I added this new item:
[18:07] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Admin
[18:07] <Maaz> Current Topic: Admin
[18:08] <kbmonkey> Meeting Times - what says everybody on this?
[18:08] <Kilos> whatever suits the fly best
[18:08] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[18:08] <kbmonkey> we listen to the people with kids - it is a lot of time management from what I hear!
[18:09] <theblazehen> agreed kbmonkey
[18:10] <kbmonkey> the fly suggested 8:30 or 7:30, I have no issues with either
[18:10] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:10] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay
[18:10] <Kilos> if 7.30 he has to go at 8.00 anyway so i think 8.30 better
[18:11] <nuvolari> what's wrong with the webz tonight :/-/
[18:11]  * nuvolari cries in the corner
[18:11] <theblazehen> nuvolari, why?
[18:11] <theblazehen> Fine here
[18:11] <nuvolari> vodacom is up to no good
[18:12] <nuvolari> tried for like 9 minutes to get connected again
[18:12] <theblazehen> ah. Wired line here
[18:12] <stegreen> whois nuvolari
[18:12] <nuvolari> its me
[18:12] <queery> Can we go on
[18:12] <nuvolari> :P
[18:12] <kbmonkey> okay, I dont see anyone objecting to 8:30pm meeting times
[18:12] <nuvolari> waaait
[18:13] <kbmonkey> lets give it a test run
[18:13] <nuvolari> why so late?
[18:13] <kbmonkey> ...lol
[18:13] <kbmonkey> the fly has to put the kids to bed at 8pm
[18:13] <Kilos> and pro
[18:13]  * kbmonkey greps the last logs...
[18:13] <Cantide> neither time will help me soon T-T
[18:13] <Kilos> and magespawn
[18:13] <queery> Ok 830 next time
[18:13] <nuvolari> okay... it's 30 mins past my bed time
[18:13] <queery> Say I?
[18:13] <Kilos> cool
[18:13] <queery> I
[18:13] <nuvolari> :P
[18:14] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:14] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[18:14] <Kilos> ohi inetpro
[18:14] <Kilos> wb
[18:14] <inetpro> good evening
[18:15] <kbmonkey> okay, the logs show that our date coincided with the JoziLUG meetings
[18:15] <Kilos> new meeting time is 20.30 inetpro
[18:15] <inetpro> wow, that sounds even better than 20:00
[18:15] <kbmonkey> so since we changed our day, we can go back to 7:30 time if we like?
[18:15] <Kilos> hehe
[18:15] <inetpro> +1 from me
[18:15] <queery> Then we have 30 min for a meeting...
[18:16] <Kilos> nuvolari, have more coffee
[18:16] <kbmonkey> how is that queery ?
[18:16] <inetpro> you guys finished already?
[18:16] <queery> 8 is when the kids need to be put to bed
[18:16] <Kilos> 8.30 till all done
[18:16] <kbmonkey> understood - sorry
[18:16] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:16] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[18:16] <queery> I was talking about if the time was 730
[18:17] <Kilos> ya
[18:17] <Kilos> 8.30 +1
[18:17] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Meeting time moved to 20:30
[18:17] <Maaz> Agreed: Meeting time moved to 20:30
[18:17] <queery> Ok neeeeeext
[18:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:17] <magespawn> +2
[18:17] <kbmonkey> thanks queery ;)
[18:17] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:17] <Maaz> superfly: Yessir
[18:17] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Review previous minutes
[18:17] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:18] <kbmonkey> the log for this lives at: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-07-15-17-31-55.txt
[18:18] <inetpro> hmm... still not much that happened on G+
[18:19] <kbmonkey> We agreed to put more events up on G+
[18:19] <kbmonkey> inetpro, because we need more events ;)
[18:19] <magespawn> ah well then, the events have to be organised first than
[18:19] <magespawn> then
[18:19] <kbmonkey> and keep in mind software freedom day, which is in 25 days and is an event!
[18:19] <kbmonkey> http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
[18:20] <queery> Well....
[18:20] <inetpro> at least we have seen a lot of hypoe around SFD
[18:20] <queery> It's a day
[18:20] <inetpro> hype*
[18:20] <queery> An event needs to be organised
[18:20] <inetpro> let's hope that we'll see the people going in numbers
[18:21] <theblazehen> Hope so.
[18:21] <theblazehen> Estimate at how many people?
[18:21] <kbmonkey> for durbs myself and nuvolari and Vince-0 will need to throw around some ideas - I foresee cake
[18:21] <Vince-0> Maaz: I'm Vincent Swart
[18:21] <Maaz> Vince-0: Huh?
[18:21] <Cantide> if i am here, i will join :)
[18:21] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vincent Swart lool
[18:21] <Maaz> Vince-0: Righto
[18:22] <kbmonkey> cool Cantide !
[18:22] <Cantide> '-'
[18:22] <kbmonkey> and bomberman agreed to update the google calendar
[18:22] <kbmonkey> I don't think bomberman is here tonight
[18:22] <SmilyBorg> Hopefully I'll make it for Software Freedom Day, but I'm having surgery next week so will be out of commision for a while
[18:23] <Kilos> nope
[18:23] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Event - software freedom day 2013
[18:23] <Maaz> Current Topic: Event - software freedom day 2013
[18:23] <Kilos> good luck SmilyBorg
[18:23] <queery> Is there something in jhb
[18:23] <magespawn> SmilyBorg: get a wheel chair
[18:23] <charl> all the best SmilyBorg !
[18:23] <kbmonkey> we will think of you SmilyBorg :]
[18:23] <Kilos> queery, yes
[18:23] <SmilyBorg> thanks folks
[18:24] <DarkSurferZA> Good luck man. Hope it aint too bad
[18:24] <Kilos> theblazehen, give queery the link
[18:24] <theblazehen> queery http://sfd-jhb-2013.eventbrite.com/
[18:24] <queery> Dankie
[18:24] <Kilos> DarkSurferZA, mam not man
[18:24] <SmilyBorg> nothing too major, just might not be able to drive for a few weeks
[18:25] <queery> Naaaas
[18:25] <DarkSurferZA> My bad. Was wrong once before so i expected to make another mistake at some stage
[18:25] <Kilos> lol
[18:25] <charl> DarkSurferZA: happens to everyone online :)
[18:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed Durban team to plan SFD: kbmonkey, nuvolari, Vince-0
[18:25] <Maaz> Agreed: Durban team to plan SFD: kbmonkey, nuvolari, Vince-0
[18:25] <inetpro> queery: the controversial yet very interesting Richard Stallman will be at SFD in JHB
[18:26] <Kilos> i thought the hen was a chick once too
[18:26] <theblazehen> Lol Kilos, why?
[18:26] <kbmonkey> any CT and JHB peeps who would like to plan something for SFD?
[18:26] <Kilos> hen
[18:26] <Kilos> should be rooster
[18:26] <theblazehen> Kilos, ah. kbmonkey such as?
[18:26] <queery> inetpro: weë will try and be there
[18:26] <queery> Is it on g+ yet?
[18:27]  * inetpro not sure whether I can make it yet
[18:27] <inetpro> queery: no
[18:27] <kbmonkey> just pointing out, that RMS is not appearing during SFD
[18:27] <DarkSurferZA> The internet is thankfully un-sexed, and therefore cannot slap me across the table just now
[18:27] <inetpro> well not on ubuntu-za's g+
[18:27] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, He's not?
[18:27] <magespawn> Vince-0: is RMS still coming to Durban?
[18:27] <queery> Please create an event on g+ and fb
[18:27] <Vince-0> http://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=18 RSVP page
[18:27] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, why?
[18:27] <queery> Easier to share
[18:27] <kbmonkey> the date does not match up theblazehen, he appears a month before SFD, so perhaps he is going to discuss it
[18:27] <Vince-0> OR UKZN register http://rms-durban.eventbrite.com/
[18:28] <Vince-0> So far there are about 100 people
[18:28] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, ah yes
[18:28] <kbmonkey> should give some good insight to plan an event though :]
[18:29] <Vince-0> RMS Jo'burg is at Wits - official page here: http://softwarefreedom.co.za/
[18:29] <inetpro> oops, and I didn't even realise that SFD is actually only on 21 September
[18:30] <kbmonkey> nobody else for planning a SFD event?
[18:30] <Vince-0> the dates couldn't have coincided for RMS tour
[18:30] <queery> Is anyone putting all the on the Ubuntu-ZA site?
[18:31] <inetpro> queery: well we didn't arrange any of it
[18:31] <queery> So?
[18:31] <queery> We can promote it
[18:31] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic RMS talks
[18:31] <Maaz> Current Topic: RMS talks
[18:31] <theblazehen> true queery
[18:31] <theblazehen> Just in time!
[18:31] <queery> Arn't we activists for software freedom?
[18:32] <inetpro> sure
[18:32] <kbmonkey> so if you havenot yet hurd (he he) Richard Stallman is appearing in SA
[18:32] <kbmonkey> for the durban registration, you can visit Register for the event at http://durbanlinux.org.za/?page_id=18
[18:32]  * kbmonkey looks for the other region links...
[18:33] <inetpro> queery: I just don't want to take away from existing registered events on g+
[18:33] <queery> Please send all links and info to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:33] <smile> bye :)
[18:33] <Kilos> cheers smile
[18:33] <inetpro> will confuse people
[18:33] <kbmonkey> for JHB registration one can visit http://sfd-jhb-2013.eventbrite.com/
[18:33] <queery> Ok then at least post the links in one spot
[18:34] <inetpro> that seems like a better idea
[18:34] <inetpro> anyone who has links is welcome to ask me to post on our ubuntu-za profiel
[18:34] <queery> Or send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll post it on Ubuntu-ZA
[18:34] <kbmonkey> is there a Cape Town registration link?
[18:35] <inetpro> profile*
[18:35] <DarkSurferZA> Soz guys. Gtg now. Promised family I would only be an hour. Will idle and log. Chat to you guys later. Hopefully i am online more
[18:36] <magespawn> cool DarkSurferZA
[18:36] <kbmonkey> come again DarkSurferZA
[18:36] <inetpro> and that counts for any future events, if you feel that an event or info is relevant to ubuntu-za feel free to highlight and talk to me
[18:36] <queery> I can't copy from g+......
[18:36] <Kilos> cheers DarkSurferZA dont be a stranger
[18:36] <DarkSurferZA> Ty. Cheers.
[18:36] <queery> @#?£!#@ g+
[18:37]  * kbmonkey can't find the CT RMS link
[18:37] <queery> On Google plus just search for it
[18:38] <queery> "a free digital society"
[18:38] <nuvolari> ok, I give up
[18:38] <Kilos> wassup nuvolari ?
[18:38] <kbmonkey> while I wait for G+ to load, any ideas for activities on SFD?
[18:38] <nuvolari> I missed nearly all of the meeting
[18:39] <magespawn> nuvolari: internet not showing you the love?
[18:39] <Kilos> ai!
[18:39] <nuvolari> magespawn: yeah, we're in a love-hate relationship at this stage
[18:39] <Kilos> get 8ta man
[18:39] <nuvolari> it loves to hate me
[18:39] <magespawn> lol
[18:39] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, I depleted my 60Gb bundle in 4 months :-/
[18:40] <Kilos> wow
[18:40] <nuvolari> so I have a truckload of data for after 23:00
[18:40] <nuvolari> :P
[18:40] <queery> http://www.fsf.org/events/20130906-capetown
[18:40] <nuvolari> it still worked out cheaper than what I used to pay per month
[18:40] <Kilos> we can make meets at 11.30
[18:40] <kbmonkey> The CT RMS event details live at http://www.fsf.org/events/20130906-capetown
[18:40] <nuvolari> lol
[18:40]  * Kilos hides
[18:40] <nuvolari> that's a plan oom Kilos !
[18:40] <magespawn> nothing from my side kbmonkey
[18:41] <queery> kbmonkey: snap
[18:41] <queery> And no oom kilos
[18:41] <nuvolari> crackle, pop?
[18:41] <magespawn> i am too far away
[18:41] <kbmonkey> I'm thinking a 2 hour hackathon to make free software
[18:42] <kbmonkey> or a game tourney - hotseat style
[18:42] <queery> So agreed all links will be sent to me?
[18:42] <theblazehen> good idea kbmonkey
[18:42] <kbmonkey> I will email those queery.
[18:42] <kbmonkey> to the list
[18:43] <queery> Please cc me
[18:43] <kbmonkey> sure :)
[18:43] <queery> Thanx
[18:43] <kbmonkey> good good. I think we move on?
[18:43] <queery> NEEEEXT
[18:44] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Linux studies
[18:44] <Maaz> Current Topic: Linux studies
[18:44] <queery> :p
[18:44] <kbmonkey> The #linux-studies channel is resurrected.
[18:44] <queery> So wanna do that
[18:44] <kbmonkey> a quick history: the channel was created as a study group for stuff
[18:45] <queery> But time and money and where?
[18:45] <kbmonkey> money is not so much needed if you have a pc
[18:45] <magespawn> just a study group to go through the LPIC 101
[18:45] <kbmonkey> there are plenty of online resources
[18:46] <magespawn> i wouldn't mind organising time etc
[18:46] <kbmonkey> who was it that resurrected this by the way?
[18:46] <queery> Yea lpic...
[18:46] <kbmonkey> I tried roganizing this last time, I moved cities and lost connectivity and it turned out not too good
[18:46] <kbmonkey> now seems a better time :)
[18:47] <magespawn> came about because of wanting to learn python from various people, me and Kilos, then thought it mught be better to start with the os
[18:47] <queery> Where do I find out where to take them and how much they are?
[18:47] <magespawn> s/mught/might
[18:47] <Kilos> queery, ?
[18:47] <kbmonkey> Id be happy to help too. it should be a group effort
[18:47] <magespawn> queery: i think the exam is about R1200 but stand under correction
[18:47] <Kilos> what do you wanna find
[18:48] <queery> See money
[18:48] <magespawn> maybe we could organise all the links on the wiki
[18:48] <kbmonkey> those details can be talked about within the group
[18:48] <magespawn> some of the dlug guys posted links on their mailing list to some more resources
[18:48] <Kilos> dont worry about the exam yet. classes havent even started yet
[18:49] <queery> Cool but maybe also put on webpage as a page
[18:49] <Vince-0> I have the info
[18:49] <kbmonkey> the wiki we have for it is at http://linux-studies.za.net
[18:49] <magespawn> like i say i do niot mind be the coordinator for this
[18:49] <queery> Do I have to take classes?
[18:49] <kbmonkey> courtesey of superfly hosting inc :)
[18:49] <Vince-0> see these two blog posts about getting Comptia Linux+, LPI1 and Novel CLA(?) certs
[18:49] <Vince-0> http://www.ceyhunkirmizitas.net/linux/linux-certification-pass-only-2-exams-then-get-comptia-linux-lpi-lpic-1-novell-cla-and-novell-dcts/
[18:49] <Vince-0> http://greg.porter.name/wordpress/?p=1137
[18:50] <magespawn> Vince-0: what was link from dlug? in the list?
[18:50] <kbmonkey> *notes links down for later*
[18:50] <kbmonkey> queery, the course material is free. you can opt for trainer led classes, those cost quite a sum, or you can self study. our group is self study
[18:51] <Vince-0> you want the latest version of materials, LPI1 was revised mid 2012
[18:51] <kbmonkey> if you feel you are not confident at the end, you can always take a course
[18:51] <Vince-0> or latest 2009? http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/programs/lpic-1
[18:52] <kbmonkey> I suggest join the channel #linux-studies for a chat around this
[18:53] <inetpro> kbmonkey: I would say just go ahead and try make #linux-studies work
[18:53] <inetpro> lots of potential there, though it will always be difficult to keep everyone on the same track
[18:53] <kbmonkey> all these kinds of question queery we must note down into the wiki. it is good to have others ask the questions we do not think of
[18:53] <queery> Agreed
[18:54] <kbmonkey> I dont see it as too linear - you dont have to all stay on the same trackexactly
[18:55] <queery> magespawn: can you keep an eye on the wiki?
[18:55] <magespawn> sure no problem
[18:55] <queery> :D dankie oom
[18:55] <magespawn> kbmonkey: those who are more advanced can help those behind
[18:55] <kbmonkey> thanks for this magespawn :) we can even throw in some extra beginner programming if anyone wants
[18:56] <kbmonkey> exactly :)
[18:56] <theblazehen> good idea kbmonkey
[18:56] <magespawn> bash and then python
[18:56] <theblazehen> Agree with magespawn
[18:57] <kbmonkey> I am in the studies channel whenever I am online (not away)
[18:57] <kbmonkey> we just need to kick up some dirt and talk about it a bit more
[18:57] <magespawn> Vince-0: may I post the link from the dlug mailing list?
[18:58] <queery> Cool in the channel
[18:58] <Vince-0> ? gogo
[18:58] <magespawn> http://www.ict-innovation.fossfa.net/wiki/public-wiki/foss-certification-training-material/lpi-training-materials-and-practice-testing-engines
[18:59] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[18:59] <kbmonkey> great but want to keep the irc meet a reasonable time. we can chat about this in detail at the other place
[18:59] <magespawn> agreed
[19:00] <kbmonkey> lots of good links here, I'm grabbing them all for the wiki
[19:00] <inetpro> kbmonkey: I suggest arranging a fixed meeting on a regular basis at #linux-studies
[19:00] <queery> Agreed
[19:00] <kbmonkey> I was more thinking to pop in once a day or every other day at a certain time
[19:01] <queery> Is this the last topic?
[19:01] <inetpro> kbmonkey: sure
[19:01] <kbmonkey> for casual talk, a schedule is a good idea!
[19:01] <kbmonkey> yes last topic
[19:01] <kbmonkey> I vote to close off the meeting
[19:02] <inetpro> +1
[19:02] <Kilos> second
[19:02] <magespawn> +3
[19:02] <kbmonkey> all interested learners: let us discuss this more after?
[19:02] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic elect next chair and closing comments
[19:02] <Maaz> Current Topic: elect next chair and closing comments
[19:02] <magespawn> in #linux-studies?
[19:02] <Kilos> cool
[19:02] <kbmonkey> yes, in the studies channel.
[19:03] <kbmonkey> I invite everyone interested to hear more to join us!
[19:03] <Kilos> interested peeps are there already
[19:03] <kbmonkey> even if it is brief to decide a time too meet again
[19:03] <Kilos> ty
[19:03] <queery> 23 Sep 830 next meet
[19:03]  * inetpro suggests kbmonkey as chair for next meeting
[19:04] <Kilos> second
[19:04] <queery> 3rde
[19:04] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey good meet
[19:04] <theblazehen> 4thd
[19:04] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:04] <kbmonkey> chair vote: me!
[19:04] <kbmonkey> and Kilos second! ;)
[19:04] <queery> Amen
[19:04] <Kilos> hehe
[19:05] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed next meeting on 24 Sep, chair: kbmonkey
[19:05] <kbmonkey> err, I am sure I hit 23 there ;p
[19:05] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting on 24 Sep, chair: kbmonkey
[19:05] <inetpro> nee
[19:05] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed next meeting on 23 Sep, chair: kbmonkey
[19:05] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting on 23 Sep, chair: kbmonkey
[19:05] <queery> Hah
[19:05] <kbmonkey> can maaz correct?
[19:05] <inetpro> no
[19:06] <kbmonkey> oh fiddlestick, nevermind :)
[19:06] <kbmonkey> thanks everyone!
[19:06] <queery> Mkay
[19:06] <kbmonkey> no worries, just select max(next date)
[19:06] <inetpro> kbmonkey: the mistake is forever cast in stone :-)
[19:06] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[19:06] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:06] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-08-26-18-02-01.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-08-26-18-02-01.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-08-26-18-02-01.html
[19:06] <queery> Lekker aand
[19:06] <queery> Bye
[19:07] <Kilos> cheers
[19:07] <magespawn> thanks kbmonkey
[19:07] <kbmonkey> cheers queery
[19:07] <kbmonkey> alright, updating agenda and creating our next one quickly
[19:08] <Kilos> nuvolari, jy nog hier?
[19:08] <Kilos> shame
[19:09] <inetpro> kbmonkey: let me know when you've created the new agenda so I can change the topic above
[19:12] <kbmonkey> inetpro, http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/645/detail/
[19:12] <inetpro> ty
[19:12] <kbmonkey> we get stuck on reviewing previous minutes, don't we? like get carried away talking about thing we sposed to talk about later
[19:12] <kbmonkey> lol
[19:13] <inetpro> kbmonkey: true
[19:14] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[19:14] <inetpro> kbmonkey: and that is very typical in everyday meetings as well
[19:14] <kbmonkey> it is! happens every day at work
[19:15] <charl> yeah but it's necessary but you can't just drop everything after the meeting
[19:15] <charl> after the meeting there are action points for people and they need to go out and execute those
[19:15] <charl> sorry don't know what you call action points in english
[19:16] <theblazehen> ooh http://www.vimperator.org/vimperator
[19:16] <kbmonkey> tasks :_)
[19:16] <Kilos> charl, you not doing the study bit?
[19:17] <kbmonkey> i love vimperator
[19:17] <theblazehen> Great kbmonkey  :) I'm still learning
[19:17] <theblazehen> Used to use sublime text
[19:19] <Cantide> good night 'o'
[19:19] <inetpro> kbmonkey: thanks for sitting in the hot seat
[19:20] <charl> Kilos: maybe i'll sit in but i have quite a bit of experience already
[19:21] <Kilos> then you share man
[19:21] <magespawn> charl: come be a mentor to the noobs
[19:27] <charl> magespawn: cool i'm not sure if i'm good at teaching but i'll gladly sit in (when i can)
[19:27] <charl> maybe i can give some tips :)
[19:27] <magespawn> cool beans charl
[19:35] <kbmonkey> tips are always good
[19:36] <Kilos> charl, put #linux-studies in your client
[19:36] <Kilos> othewr wise youll never get there
[19:37] <charl> hmm, just remind me on this channel when you guys start please
[19:37] <charl> then i'll join if i forget
[19:37] <charl> when i'm online is actually quite ad-hoc
[19:38] <Kilos> ok
[19:59] <Vince-0> slaaptyd!
[20:40] <magespawn> i am off to bed now, good night all


[02:20] <elkbuntu> desertc, you've obviously never heard of bookcrossing
[02:20] <desertc> elkbuntu: You think so?
[02:21] <desertc> Best not to assume!  ;-)
[02:22] <elkbuntu> desertc, considering you call leaving cds on the subway 'a waste'
[02:22] <desertc> Books have an immediate visible value.  You can see they work and can be used.  A CD in a cardboard case, not so much.
[02:23] <elkbuntu> you'd be surprised
[02:26] <desertc> I do not think people don't go around picking up CDROMs and putting them in their computer to see if they work.  But you're right.  I would be surprised if they did.
[02:27] <desertc> :-)
[02:33] <elkbuntu> you need to stop being so critical of other people's ideas. you were quite rude when you came into -au a fortnight ago. You referred to LCA, one of the best Linux and FOSS conferences in the world, as a 'lug conference', then criticised the number of lugs we have without considering local/geographical limitations, then tell us that Linux Australia doesnt reach out to lugs enough -- probably unaware that they cover the public liability
[02:33] <elkbuntu>  of lug events, provide sponsorship for activities, etc.
[02:34] <desertc> elkbuntu: Point taken.
[02:34] <elkbuntu> you've been doing similar things to other locos too
[02:36] <desertc> You're welcome to your opinion, and I respect it, though it was not my intention to be critical, nor did anyone say I was at the time.
[02:44] <elkbuntu> desertc, the people who you were talking to would have been biting lips to avoid 'scaring off the enthusiastic newbie', yet i can guarantee they were most put out
[02:45] <desertc> If you have further personal quarrels with me, then I will be happy to address them in private, as they are off topic to the channel.
[19:12] <desertc> http://foss.in/2007/info/Promote#Posters
[19:16] <desertc> Would this be a useful link to post to the mailing list?
[20:10] <desertc> Submitted.
[22:16] <alefteris> hi all! where can i find the svg  files for the official ubuntu cd cover artwork?
[22:34] <desertc> Pretty quiet in here today, alefteris
[22:35] <alefteris> yeap :( anyway, I keep searching google, maybe I'll find something..


[01:21] <poolie> hooray for https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/678090
[01:58] <CarlFK> dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b, sent .deb to test box, installed, fine.
[01:59] <CarlFK> debuild -S -sa ... dput CarlFK-ppa *.changes, built, added PPA, apt-get install... start: Job failed to start
[02:00] <CarlFK> how do I debug this?
[02:00] <wgrant> Have you built in a clean environment (pbuilder, sbuild) locally?
[02:01] <CarlFK> no
[02:01] <wgrant> Try that.
[02:01] <CarlFK> that's work :)
[02:01] <CarlFK> grunmble
[02:02] <CarlFK> apt-get install pbuilder ...  have a url I can follow ?
[02:02] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:02] <CarlFK> thanks
[02:21] <CarlFK> ok, so I get the same error.  where do I find the upstart scripts?  so that I can run the binary with -v ?
[02:23] <CarlFK> the binary is squid - what I am hacking is just some config files
[02:25] <wgrant> /etc/init
[02:29] <CarlFK> thanks.. getting spew now...
[02:41] <CarlFK> exec $SQUID -N -f /etc/squid-deb-proxy/squid-deb-proxy.conf
[02:41] <CarlFK> what's exec?
[02:42] <wgrant> A shell builtin.
[02:44] <CarlFK> ah.
[08:31] <philip_stoev> good morning, launchpad is down right now, and there is no announced maintenance
[08:32] <wgrant> philip_stoev: There's a daily 5-minute downtime window (not used every day): http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/fast-down-time
[08:33] <wgrant> It's back now
[08:34] <philip_stoev> wgrant: thanks! maybe it has to be noted on the "Uh oh!Something has gone wrong. We're sorry!" page.
[08:34] <wgrant> Probably, yeah.
[08:56] <AlecTaylor> hi
[08:56] <AlecTaylor> I want to model the internal logical structure (i.e. separate table between Stores and Products), as well as the connection between different systems, and the partitioning of these systems, all beginning from an actor. Is BPMN correct for this? - A sample (am I doing it right?): http://i39.tinypic.com/16iut1d.png
[09:06] <mrevell> Hi!
[09:11] <danhg> Morning
[09:11] <AlecTaylor> gu
[09:12] <AlecTaylor> hi
[09:25] <l3on> Hi all.. I'm not sure about this, but I got a problem during upload a patch via mail. In this case the last line of file is trunked and patch compromised.
[09:25] <l3on> This's happened in bug 889463
[09:25] <l3on> Is it a common problem?
[09:26] <l3on> Is it a my problem? :)
[09:46] <AlecTaylor> hi
[09:46] <AlecTaylor> I am trying to model a collection of systems, their various interconnections, as well as their internal logical structures, as a message is passed through them, initiated by an actor. Is BPMN the right notation, and am I using it right? - http://i.stack.imgur.com/r9741.png
[09:47] <wgrant> AlecTaylor: I think you might be in the wrong place. This is the support channel for launchpad.net, a software development website.
[09:48]  * AlecTaylor is developing sofware, and thought this would be the right place to discuss
[10:09] <lifeless> AlecTaylor: its certainly a place :)
[10:09] <lifeless> AlecTaylor: I'm a fan of prose myself, with interaction timelines for exposition when needed.
[10:10] <AlecTaylor> mm, but the thing about prose is it's difficult to say, oh and this will expand out into a whole different system
[10:11] <lifeless> AlecTaylor: its easy!. 'And this will epxand out into a whole different system.'
[10:13] <AlecTaylor> mm
[10:13] <AlecTaylor> But if I just wanted to move things around
[10:13] <AlecTaylor> It seems diagram is what I want
[10:40] <apw> is it true that if fonts.googleapis.com is non-responsive that i cannot look at any launchpad page ?
[10:55] <mardy> hi, I'm trying to push my initial repository to launchpad, but it fails:
[10:55] <mardy> bzr push  lp:opensesame-keyring-extension
[10:55] <mardy> bzr: ERROR: At lp:opensesame-keyring-extension you have a valid .bzr control directory, but not a branch or repository. This is an unsupported configuration. Please move the target directory out of the way and try again.
[10:56] <mardy> what does that mean?
[11:12] <maxb>  A .bzr directory (a bzrdir) is a general container which can contain data for a branch, repository, or checkout.
[11:12] <maxb> The error's saying the general container is present, but contains none of the above
[14:07] <senyahel> Hello
[14:07] <senyahel> can anyone help me
[14:07] <senyahel> I have kbuntu and it will not allow me to sign into a wireless network
[14:09] <senyahel> is anyone there
[14:10] <senyahel> I'm very new to linux and I need some  help
[14:13] <senyahel> can anyone tell me how I can get some help
[14:13] <senyahel> I can't access the wireless network in kbuntu
[14:17] <benji> senyahel: this channel is about launchpad.net, for help with kubuntu try the #kubuntu channel (or see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList for a list of channels)
[14:17] <senyahel> thank you
[14:28] <dholbach> hiya
[14:28] <dholbach> can somebody help me find the bug responsible for http://launchpadlibrarian.net/85402171/dholbach-xwax-trunk.log? :)
[14:29] <dholbach> for some reason I can't find it
[14:33] <dholbach> nevermind, found it: bug 854647
[14:34] <dholbach> jelmer, ^ as it is still broken, is it fair to assume that the dulwich bug might need to be reopened?
[14:34] <dholbach> or has a newer dulwich not yet been massaged into LP?
[14:38] <kamal> hi launchpadders.   I uploaded packages to a new PPA 23 minutes ago, but the packages haven't appeared in the PPA, and I haven't received the usual "accepted" email.   Advice?    https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/fldigi-debug-test/+packages
[14:39] <popey> kamal: there's a 3 hour+ queue for i386 ppa builders right now
[14:39] <jelmer> dholbach: hi
[14:39] <popey> https://launchpad.net/builders
[14:39] <dholbach> hey jelmer - how's life?
[14:40] <jelmer> dholbach: it seems to be a launchpad-specific issue. It does have a recent dulwich as far as I know, but it doesn't work there, while it works for me locally with bzr-git.
[14:40] <kamal> popey: but I mean that my source packages haven't even appeared in the PPA -- that always occurs within 5 minutes of uploading.
[14:40] <popey> kamal: oh, sorry.
[14:42] <senyahel> irc://irc.freenode.net/kubuntu
[14:42] <jelmer> dholbach: I'm well, thanks. How are you ?
[14:42] <dholbach> jelmer, good good - looking forward to the WE :)
[14:42] <kamal> popey: and I've always gotten the accepted/rejected email notification within 5 minutes also.   I'm stumped.
[14:42] <jelmer> dholbach: I'll see if I can spot a difference in the way Launchpad uses the probers
[14:42] <popey> kamal: sorry, dunno
[14:42] <dholbach> jelmer, you're a hero
[14:42] <kamal> popey: thanks anyway!
[14:42] <senyahel> benji, can you tell me how to switch to diff IRC channels
[14:43] <dholbach> jelmer, I just spotted interesting changes in trunk and would love to test it in a daily-built package :-D
[14:46] <Guest10379> senyahel: it depends on the IRC client you're using, but it's normally something like /join #CHANNELNAME
[14:47] <senyahel> ok thank you
[16:39] <superm1> hey yall.  i was wondering if I could get a PPA with arm support enabled for ~mythbuntu or ~superm1 to verify this bug is fixed or not: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9627
[17:53] <kamal> bac: help please!  I'm having a problem with a launchpad PPA upload.   As I remarked a few hours ago:
[17:53] <kamal> I uploaded packages to a new PPA 23 minutes ago, but the packages haven't appeared in the PPA, and I haven't received the usual "accepted" email.   Advice?    https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/fldigi-debug-test/+packages
[17:53] <kamal> So I just tried re-uploading the packages a little while ago, but still no response at all from launchpad!
[18:10] <kamal> bac: nevermind -- turns out launchpad *did* send me a reject email (my own bogus package)...  but my email client is broken so I didn't receive it.
[19:36] <rubin110> Hi, I created an account a few weeks ago to file some bugs. After creating the account and attempting to login, Launchpad bounced back and said I fed it a bad password.
[19:37] <rubin110> I poked the login service to start an email password reset, I never got the email, and yes I checked my spam folder.
[19:38] <rubin110> After a few days I emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with my problem, explained it could possibly be related to the fact that I've fed a couple of random sybbols into my password.
[19:39] <rubin110> The first response was to check my spam folder.
[19:39] <rubin110> The second response which I just got, is that this issue should be sent to their "experts" and to do that I should file a ticket at...
[19:39] <rubin110> https://answers.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/+addquestion
[19:40] <rubin110> Which is something I would totally love to do, except I can't login, which brings me back to square oen.
[19:40] <rubin110> one
[19:52] <CarlFK> heh
[19:53] <CarlFK> im just a user, not admin or anything.. but what's your user name?
[19:54] <CarlFK> basiclly want to see  https://launchpad.net/~carlfk
[21:42] <bil21al> helo every body my unity karma is not shown can any body tell me why bec the people who are less contribute than me their karma is shown but not mine
[21:42] <dupondje> Hi, could somebody check bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/papyon/+bug/887349
[21:43] <dupondje> It doesn't show all the comments when loading. On a refresh it shows the 'view all comments' message, bug it dissapears here :s
[21:43] <dupondje> but*
[21:46] <bil21al> dupondje: its fine here i open here its normal open
[21:46] <dupondje> Do you see the 'view all comments' message at the bottom ?
[21:47] <bil21al> no i cant there are all 104 comments
[21:47] <bil21al> in front of me
[21:47] <dupondje> there are more
[21:49] <bil21al> u can report the bug in launchpad itself as  i knw but not much know  and can u solve my matter that i written above than ur first question
[21:49] <bil21al> yofel
[21:49] <dupondje> no idea :)
[21:49] <yofel> ?
[21:50] <bil21al> yofel can you tell me why my karma is not shown while other people shown who have less contribution than me
[21:50] <bil21al> ?
[21:51] <yofel> nope, I know the karma calculation was broken for a while, but it's fixed for me
[21:51]  * yofel is no launchpad dev
[21:52] <bil21al> hmmm i have talked u in bugs channel so i masged u here may be u answer me
[21:52] <bil21al> so thanks
[21:52] <bil21al> bye the way