[00:03] <zoredache> do you want ubuntu and xubuntu?
[00:17] <CppIsWeird> how do you create a link on your desktop to another location on the system?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> CppIsWeird: right click on the folder in thunar, click on "Send to...Desktop"
[00:25] <CppIsWeird> nice, thx. :)
[00:38] <degrit> zoredache no just xubuntu, but I am confused by that "(must install)"
[01:27] <IAmWill_> is it possible to make an ssh folder to another linux box on my network?
[01:36] <Mood> IAmWill_: define "make an ssh folder to another linux box"
[01:37] <IAmWill_> like windows shared folders over a network
[01:37] <IAmWill_> i know that sshfs does it... but was just looking for something where i didnt have to connect with sshfs every time
[01:38] <Mood> you can mount windows drives in linux and vice versa
[01:39] <waarschuwing> hello!
[01:39] <IAmWill_> it's not a windows box.. its linux to linux.....
[01:39] <IAmWill_> i can just use passwordless ssh, and set the sshfs script into my auto-start feature
[01:41] <waarschuwing> does anyone know if 112 mb is enough to install. is the minimum really 128?
[01:41] <waarschuwing> or should i use the alternate cd in my case
[01:47] <cjae> Hi installed xubuntu 8.10 and at reboot grub gets error 18 but this is a boot boundry error, but it shouldn't be because I installed like this
[01:49] <cjae> "/=sda1 10 gigs, swap= sda2 1gig, /home =sda3 rest of 160gig drive "
[01:49] <cjae> grub = (hd0)
[01:50] <Mood> IAmWill_: why use sshfs btw if you're within your own LAN?
[01:50] <cjae> and the files for /boot should be b4 8 gigs right
[01:52] <IAmWill_> Mood, thats why i was asking if there was another way  =)
[01:53] <Mood> IAmWill_: just use smbfs
[01:53] <Mood> samba
[01:53] <Mood> have you tried?
[01:53] <IAmWill_> no... i thought that was just for linux to windows.... i will try it out though
[01:54] <IAmWill_> thanks
[01:54] <Mood> nope, you can do linux to linux. give it a whirl. should take a couple mins
[01:54] <Mood> IAmWill_: edit /etc/fstab if you want to auto mount on boot
[01:57] <cjae> !error18
[01:57] <JuanL> Hey xubuntu.
[01:58] <JuanL> Quick Question. anyone should be able to answer
[01:58] <JuanL> What's a good Graphics/Art Program for Xubuntu that's on par with Photoshop
[01:59] <JuanL> Cause Gimp ain't cutting it for what i need to do.
[01:59] <charlie-tca> waarschuwing: you would need to use the alternate cd. It should install, but I think the performance will be real slow.
[02:00] <charlie-tca> waarschuwing: I have installed to a 400MHz cpu with 128MB ram, and it installs fine from the alternate cd. It will not run the LiveCD
[02:00] <charlie-tca> The performance is sluggish, and especially slow with more than one application open at a time.
[02:00] <waarschuwing> charlie-tca: thanks
[02:01] <waarschuwing> i might get some extra ram then
[02:01] <waarschuwing> the cpu is 1ghz though
[02:01] <charlie-tca> So you will be okay installing with that.
[02:02] <charlie-tca> cjae: see this: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18
[02:03] <JuanL> . . .
[02:03] <charlie-tca> The entire installation is only 1.5 GB at the most
[02:04] <charlie-tca> JuanL: pretty much depends on what exactly you are trying to do.
[02:04] <JuanL> well make a Signature Bar mostly
[02:06] <charlie-tca> inkscape is a vector based drawing program that is commercial quality
[02:08] <charlie-tca> Many online magazines use a combination of inkscape and the gimp for the layouts
[02:08] <JuanL> would you say it;s on par with Adobe Photoshop CS3'
[02:09] <charlie-tca> I have never used Photoshop, I don't know if it is vector-based or not
[02:09] <charlie-tca> I do most of my stuff in the Gimp, when I need to.
[02:10] <Mood> inkscape is gnu opensource vector
[02:10] <Mood> photoshop is not vector based, although it has some elementary pseudo vector tools that can be rasterized
[02:11] <Mood> but photoshop can import native illustrator vector files and then rasterize at the final step
[02:12] <Mood> i wouldn't use gimp for layout, personally. it's more of an image editor, like photoshop
[02:13] <JuanL> Well what's on par with CS3?
[02:14] <cjae> charlie-tca: what I would like to know is how /boot got ahead of sector 1023 in the first place, this was a clean install from a no error (proper md5 and all)
[02:14] <JuanL> something that's not hard to obtain would be nice lol
[02:15] <Mood> CS3 has a lot of modules. what do you mean specifically?
[02:15] <JuanL> http://www.userbars.com/'
[02:15] <JuanL> i'm basically want to make one of those WITHOUT needing a website to do it
[02:15] <charlie-tca> cjae: I don't know. I am not a programmer, just another user
[02:15] <JuanL> i know the dimenions and i want to do it on my own
[02:18] <Aquina> What is CS3?
[02:18] <Mood> userbars... lol
[02:19] <Aquina> Talkin' about the Adobe software?
[02:21] <JuanL> :P
[02:21] <JuanL> Yes Aquina
[02:23] <JuanL> and fixing up a scan or cleaning up a picture or restoring a picture
[02:23] <JuanL> things like that
[02:23] <JuanL> making a frog look like it has furr
[02:23] <JuanL> blending perfectly
[02:23] <Mood> JuanL: you want gimp, not inkscape then
[02:24] <Mood> and you don't need full blow CS3.. it's really a photoshop clone you're talking about
[02:24] <JuanL> i can do this in Photoshop but since i left Windows behind cold turkey
[02:24] <JuanL> Gimp seems limited
[02:24] <JuanL> extremely
[02:24] <Mood> like what function?
[02:24] <Mood> every function photoshop has, gimp has
[02:24] <Mood> almost
[02:24] <JuanL> where can i get more Brushes?
[02:24] <JuanL> where can i change the opacity on a image?
[02:24] <JuanL> and to what level
[02:25] <Mood> JuanL: those are simple functions that gimp has
[02:25] <JuanL> do explain
[02:25] <Mood> jsut try googling
[02:25] <Mood> just*
[02:25] <Mood> those are basic functions almost every image editor has
[02:25] <JuanL> " #xubuntu help irc channel"
[02:25] <Mood> this is xubuntu, not gimp
[02:26] <JuanL> even the website says to come in here for faster help on anything that came with xubuntu
[02:26] <JuanL> that software that came with it is tech supported till 2011 or something like that
[02:26] <Mood> i was trying to be helpful JuanL, no need to cop an attitude
[02:27] <JuanL> no attitude just website tells me to come here. that's why i didn't google anything
[02:27] <Mood> these channels are to help people who are curious and have the drive to help themselves. not salesmen to sell you a product
[02:27] <Mood> try #gimp if you have questions on opacity+brushes - although, those are so simple to find on google you may be rebuffed there
[02:28] <Mood> some people have such feelings of self-entitlement -- jeez!
[02:29] <charlie-tca> Yes, all you can do is try explain that all helpers here are volunteers with limited time and knowledge
[02:30] <Mood> i don't understand the psychology of people who must think: "You must be my slave to help me because I'm switching from Windoz"... so selfish and ignorant
[02:33] <charlie-tca> I like to get the reference when they tell me "the website says" so I can get it fixed.
[02:38] <Mood> yeah and like the GPS system says to drive straight into the ocean, and they do... makes one think of the darwin awards...
[02:38] <WDC> Hello. I am having a lot of trouble getting the awn applets for Xubuntu
[02:38] <WDC> Can anyone please help?>
[03:49] <slimchef> Hello all. Can anyone help with a resolution/display problem please?
[03:49] <Mood> slimchef: just state your problem. if someone can help they'll respond
[03:51] <slimchef> Thank you, I was "messing around" with resolution settings in "screens and graphics" settings and now i cant get my monitor out of 800x600 resolution.
[03:51] <Mood> Applications->Settings->Display
[03:52] <slimchef> tried that, only options are 800x600 and 640x480
[03:54] <slimchef> also tried importing drivers for the monitor and then appear in the settings menu but dont allow me to change it when selected
[04:04] <Mood> what do you have in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:05] <Mood> use paste.ubuntu.com
[04:07] <slimchef> what lines?
[04:07] <Mood> do you have any lines w/ explicit resolution?
[04:08] <slimchef> check paste
[04:09] <Mood> you have to post the url here
[04:09] <slimchef> http://paste.ubuntu.com/125588/
[04:15] <victoria> hi!
[04:15] <victoria> i have a couple of questions!
[04:15] <victoria> can someone help me:)
[04:15] <victoria> plz
[04:17] <Mood> slimchef: have you tried sudo displayconfig-gtk?
[04:19] <slimchef> have not... basic user.. haven't used terminal yet
[04:19] <victoria> hi:) i would like to know how to change the color of my font.. from black to pink:)
[04:19] <victoria> thank you
[04:19] <victoria> im using XUBUNTU
[04:22] <slimchef> no luck check http://paste.ubuntu.com/125589/
[04:26] <Mood> slimchef: that doesn't look good
[04:27] <slimchef> well fatal errors usually don't do they, lol
[04:27] <Mood> slimchef: you have an ati radeon card?
[04:27] <slimchef> yes
[04:30] <Mood> slimchef: can you bring up a terminal?
[04:31] <slimchef> go ahead
[04:31] <Mood> you might want to try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:32] <slimchef> ok
[04:34] <slimchef> it says  Configuring xserver-xorg but comp. isn't doing anything
[04:37] <Mood> slimchef: i think you'll have to restart X
[04:37] <Mood> so, ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:38] <slimchef> standby 1
[04:39] <slimchef> its asking me to configure my keyboard
[04:39] <Mood> is there a default?
[04:41] <slimchef> check http://paste.ubuntu.com/125593/ i used all default settings
[04:46] <slimchef> new "xorg.conf" check http://paste.ubuntu.com/125596/
[04:47] <Mood> slimchef: no new choices in Applications->Settings?
[04:48] <slimchef> no
[04:51] <Mood> hmm.. i'm completely out of ideas slimchef... you may want to try #ubuntu... it's noisy, but ppl are generally helpful
[04:51] <slimchef> Thanks for your help
[04:51] <Mood> slimchef: sorry i couldn't help out
[04:52] <slimchef> thanks anyway, ciao
[04:52] <Mood> laters
[04:54] <Jan|> what do I need for a slideshow images screensaver on xubuntu?
[05:09] <Mood> Jan|: this may be helpful http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-212512.html
[05:35] <sood> hello everyone and good morning
[05:36] <sood> hi taw wssup?
[05:36] <CppIsWeird> why is linux having trouble copying the special u in uTorrent and the (tm) characters of windows file names? The error returned is incomplete or wide multibyte characters.
[05:37] <sood> why there is no support for voice and video chat in Xubuntu  linux
[05:38] <CppIsWeird> probaby have to install it sood
[05:39] <sood> how? don't knw the command and not even the client , tried ekiga and kopete ; ekiga failed to install and kopete has some dependencies
[05:39] <sood> and i knw least abt dependencies as i totally a new user to linux
[05:40] <sood> can suggest a way out?
[05:40] <CppIsWeird> i know that there is voice chat in linux using skype. i use skype on xubuntu all the time. it just simply worked for me
[05:41] <sood> i agree but using skype u cannot call ur frnds who are on yahoo networdk
[05:41] <sood> network* .like yahoo messenger
[05:41] <CppIsWeird> i dont think there is a linux client allowing for voice communication on yahoo network to begin with.
[05:42] <sood> may be or may be Not Linux can't afford such big drawback ,the prom is we dont knw how to get it
[05:42] <CppIsWeird> lol
[05:42] <sood> he he
[05:42] <CppIsWeird> because we all know how important yahoo voice communication is to the development of linux
[05:43] <zoredache> sood: linux can afford it just fine.  Anyway, who do you think 'linux' is?  Why aren't you complaining to yahoo?
[05:43] <CppIsWeird> we should probably petition for it to be included into the next revision of the linux kernel
[05:43] <Jan|> thanks mood
[05:44] <sood> ya true i apologize will contact the yahoo administrators
[05:44] <CppIsWeird> sood, linux has nothing to do with the fact that yahoo corporation refuses to release a linux branch of their client.
[05:44] <sood> ok leave yahoo now coming over to google network that is Google Talk
[05:44] <CppIsWeird> so, your statement should be, yahoo cannot afford such a big drawback of not having a linux client
[05:45] <sood> for sure i correct it to -yahoo cannot afford such a big drawback of not having a linux client
[05:45] <CppIsWeird> :P
[05:45] <sood> and since we are not here for yahoo then leave it
[05:45] <sood> but can atleast talk abt google talk
[05:46] <sood> we cannot make calls in google network too
[05:46] <sood> i look forward the statement i should give abt whose drawback it is?
[05:46] <sood> ;-p
[05:46] <CppIsWeird> ive never used google talk so i cant much help you there, sorry.
[05:46] <sood> ok
[05:47] <sood> anyone esle can help my friends
[05:50] <zoredache> help you with what?
[05:50] <rocko> was ist los?
[05:50] <rocko> moin
[05:54] <sood> help me in installing voice and video chat  support for yahoo and google talk
[06:18] <CppIsWeird> how can i know if xubuntu is using usb 1.1 or usb 2.0?
[06:29] <zoredache> as a start I would run 'lsusb' and see if it tells you what version the hub is
[10:13] <degrit> any pious soul that gives me a hand troubleshooting a xubuntu laptop that hangs just after login ? I am able to run a xterm session and/or access console
[10:16] <taw> degrit, does it hang even if you don't login?
[10:23] <degrit> I left it the last half hour at the login screen just to test that, and apparently it doesn't
[10:24] <degrit> must be something that gets loaded with the desktop
[10:25] <degrit> the laptop is old, 1.6ghz 256mb ram
[10:27] <degrit> one time that I managed to stay running long enough to bring up the System Monitor, the ram and swap looked ok (half ram used and 1mb of swap over 1gb used), but the cpu was at 60-70%, dunno if still finishing to load something or what
[10:28] <degrit> baby cries, brb P:
[10:46] <taw> is it totally jammed?
[10:51] <degrit> yes, mouse doesn't move, keyboard is unresponsive, even the network leds are still instead of flashing
[10:52] <taw> do you have another computer, can you test is it possible to ping it?
[10:53] <degrit> while on the logon screen ?
[10:53] <taw> put ping running while it's up, and to see if it stops when it gets jammed
[10:55] <degrit> I don't know its ip though
[10:56] <taw> before login on X, select ctrl-alt-F1, log there, check ip
[10:56] <degrit> I am wearing my donkey hat, how do I do that in linux ? P:
[10:58] <taw> ah, sorry. run /sbin/ifconfig
[10:59] <degrit> ok, now I ping it from this pc
[10:59] <degrit> ping ping ping lovely ping
[10:59] <degrit> so now I type exit to get back to the logon screen ?
[10:59] <taw> alt-F7
[11:00] <degrit> and logon in xfce
[11:00] <taw> yep
[11:00] <degrit> not stuck yet
[11:03] <degrit> still not stuck
[11:03] <degrit> on the other hand, I am not doing anything else than moving the mouse around
[11:03] <degrit> hard disk still loading god knows what
[11:03] <taw> that might be good test to do
[11:04] <taw> if it's not getting jammed with plain login, you have good chance to get idea why it's getting jammed
[11:04] <degrit> hurrah
[11:04] <taw> just leave it there, and take a look on it after 10 minutes or so
[11:05] <degrit> ok
[11:05] <degrit> ah, no need
[11:05] <degrit> I turned my head and there it was
[11:05] <degrit> in magnificient stuckness
[11:05] <taw> what about ping?
[11:05] <degrit> host unreachable
[11:05] <taw> ok, so even kernel dies
[11:06] <taw> on reboot, leave memory test running for a while
[11:06] <taw> for 1 hour or so
[11:06] <degrit> like before, hd light stays on, network leds stay on
[11:06] <taw> on grub menu you have that option
[11:06] <degrit> yeh memtest
[11:06] <taw> yep
[11:07] <degrit> been a friend many other times regardless of the OS
[11:07] <taw> it's laptop?
[11:07] <degrit> yup an old acer travelmate
[11:07] <taw> does it have proper cooling?
[11:07] <taw> my laptop crashes if I keep it on my lap
[11:07] <degrit> it's sitting on hard office-desk material, with nothing around for meters
[11:08] <degrit> not raised, but nevertheless
[11:08] <taw> cooling fan sucks air from place which get placed to my leg
[11:08] <taw> so it cannot suck any air, and crashes
[11:08] <degrit> I never use it on my legs, it gives me an uncomfortable electric tingle
[11:09] <degrit> like mildly electrocutioning myself all the time
[11:09] <degrit> well, memtest is running
[11:09] <degrit> only 256mb so it shouldn't have too hard a job
[11:09] <taw> and sometimes there is too much dust inside
[11:10] <taw> anyway, let it run for bit longer, so that it has time enough to heat up
[11:10] <degrit> but one thing I know is that on this same laptop I ran damn small linux, knoppix 5.1, and opensuse 10.2
[11:10] <taw> one of my laptops fail on 3 round on memtest on summer, but now on wintertime fails never
[11:11] <degrit> and of course there was winxp to begin with
[11:11] <taw> ok, sounds like you have some SW related problem
[11:11] <degrit> the laptop IS a brick, but generally it would slowly get there
[11:11] <degrit> baby cries again, brb
[11:12] <taw> after you end running memtest, go to ctrl-alt-f1
[11:12] <taw> login
[11:12] <taw> login, and 'sudo apt-get update; suod apt-get dist-upgrade'
[11:13] <taw> sorry, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:13] <taw> just for trying to get latest drivers etc
[11:50] <degrit> I will, memtest didn't find anything wrong
[11:50] <degrit> still running after the baby, bb asap
[12:18] <victoria> hi
[12:38] <bradley__> does anyone run an eee pc?
[13:30] <itstegg> hi.
[13:32] <forces> o7
[13:32] <itstegg> i successfully installed xubuntu on an imac ppc with low amounts of memory.  the xubuntu desktop loads, but the applications are disappearing shortly after launch from the xubuntu menu.  launching from an xterm, however, is successful.  i would sincerely appreciate some insight.
[13:33] <taw> is ubuntu available for ppc? :-0
[13:33] <itstegg> =) yes.
[13:37] <taw> from where, in downloads I can't find?
[13:39] <itstegg> one second.
[13:40] <itstegg> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/intrepid/release/
[13:40] <itstegg> also ps3 is on that page.
[13:41] <taw> but no sparc
[13:42] <itstegg> taw; i haven't looked.
[13:43] <itstegg> here'sa gutsy gibbon sparc http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/7.10/release/xubuntu-7.10-alternate-sparc.iso
[13:46] <taw> yeah, old release
[13:48] <forces> 8.04 is available for ppc too
[13:49] <ablomen> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/8.10/release/
[13:49] <ablomen> not xubuntu though
[13:50] <ablomen> but i guess xfce etc is on there (maybe even the xubuntu-desktop packaga)
[13:50] <ablomen> *package
[16:16] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all.  I am trying to remember if the Ubus enable IPv6 and if they do, does it no longer need the sit0 pseudo-interface?
[16:17] <taw> ipv6 address is there, and no sit0 interface
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> taw, when did that change come in?  I thought the 2.6 kernel introduced the sit0 interface in the first place?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Jaunty now has Xfce 4.6.0 in it
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Thank the developers for that.
[16:31] <Pres-Gas> !jaunty
[16:31] <Pres-Gas> !release
[16:31] <TheSheep_> we hereby thank you, developers!
[16:31]  * Pres-Gas claps the back of the developers
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Ya-ay, no more questions about "will 9.04 have Xfce 4.6 final?"
[16:33] <Pres-Gas> Dang it, when are we targeted to go beta...can't find the page ATM.
[16:33] <charlie-tca> !schedule
[16:34] <charlie-tca> no,
[16:34] <Pres-Gas> I just did that...lol
[16:34]  * charlie-tca wanted to copy Pres-Gas, maybe?
[16:35] <Pres-Gas> LOL, no no, I should copy you.
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I show March 26, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[16:35] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, just found it as well
[16:35] <Pres-Gas> I need to always remember that GIYF
[16:36] <charlie-tca> the 'bot has it somewhere. I just can not remember where
[16:36] <Pres-Gas> Ahh, yeah
[16:36] <Pres-Gas> hmmm....
[16:36] <Pres-Gas> !jauntyrelease
[17:20] <justmeyogs> hello all, just have a question regarding my install of xubuntu
[17:21] <justmeyogs> i keep getting this error "debootstrap warning" when installing from CD
[17:21] <zoredache> wass there more to that error?
[17:21] <justmeyogs> warning that a .deb file was corrupt
[17:22] <justmeyogs> could it be the iso?
[17:22] <Guest2996> hello all, anyone have time to help with an external monitor issue?
[17:22] <justmeyogs> this is happenning when installing the base system
[17:23] <zoredache> justmeyogs: yes, it could be the iso.  did you try running a disk verifification?
[17:23] <justmeyogs> i havent yet
[17:24] <justmeyogs> also get a Warning: Couldnt Download a package console-setup, is that part of it as well?
[17:25] <justmeyogs> running cd check now
[17:33] <degritz0r> back again with my laptop that hangs right after login - a hand to troubleshoot, thank you very much ? \o/
[17:36] <degritz0r> it's got to be something that happens or is loaded after the desktop comes up, as login and xterm are both accessible
[17:40] <justmeyogs> is there a way I can install xubuntu from a network drive on the internet?
[17:40] <justmeyogs> or is that too dangerous?
[17:41] <TheSheep> !install
[17:41] <zoredache> justmeyogs: I install from the internet all the time.  you do need a minimal portion (8mb)  of the installer on a local disk though
[17:41] <zoredache> !mini
[18:32] <crazygir> I've installed the cups-pdf printer, modified the permissions, restarted the cups service, though the printer seems to fail
[18:33] <crazygir> any suggestions?
[18:39] <zoredache> what did you modify the permissions for?  I generally have found that cups-pdf works out of the box
[19:22] <crazygir> zoredache: some of the forum posts I saw up on ubuntu mentioned doing so
[19:22] <crazygir> I can change it back for sure
[19:24] <crazygir> zoredache: does cups-pdf ask you where to save the pdf?
[19:26] <zoredache> usually it just drops it in ~/PDF/
[19:27] <crazygir> interesting..
[19:28] <crazygir> I rest the permissions, the job seems to have gone through, but I see nothing in ~/PDF
[19:39] <JuanL> Anyone know where the Font folder is located in Xubuntu 8.10 ?
[19:40] <knome> JuanL, /usr/share/fonts ?
[19:40] <JuanL> let me take a quick gander
[19:41] <JuanL> i have a .tff font there's 3 folders listed in "Fonts" do i just put it basically in the font folder or is there a specific folder i toss it in?
[19:42] <Darth_Tux> tff?
[19:42] <knome> no specific folder. you could also copy it to ~/.fonts
[19:42] <knome> JuanL, any way you do it, you have to rebuild the font cache.
[19:43] <JuanL> ok
[19:44] <JuanL> it wont let me copy anything to the folder.
[19:44] <JuanL> no drag no drop, no copy and paste.
[19:44] <JuanL> ?
[19:46] <JuanL> :<
[19:47] <TheSheep> JuanL: where are you trying to copy it?
[19:48] <JuanL> into the fonts folder
[19:48] <knome> JuanL, you need to have root access.
[19:49] <JuanL> into usr/share/fonts
[19:49] <knome> JuanL, yes.
[19:49] <JuanL> is that something i do in Term?
[19:49] <knome> JuanL, into ~/.fonts, nope.
[19:50] <JuanL> no fonts folder there only a ~/.fontconfig folder
[19:50] <knome> JuanL, create one.
[19:52] <JuanL> ok then i type sudo fc-cache -f correct?
[19:52] <knome> yeah.
[19:53] <JuanL> ok thx!
[19:53] <knome> that should work, if the ~/.fonts -directory is scanned automatically.
[19:53] <knome> i suppose it is but...
[19:53] <JuanL> well let me toss open Abiword and see if it pops
[19:56] <JuanL> got it. had to open term in ./fonts then do the commad
[19:56] <JuanL> *command.
[19:56] <JuanL> Thx all BBL
[19:56] <JuanL> Thnx Knome.
[20:12] <wstraus> hi all, I can't seem to figure this one out, when I try to open a DVD movie in Totem I get an error "Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file."
[20:12] <knome> wstraus, is it a copy-protected dvd?
[20:12] <wstraus> I don't beleave so. I've tried meny
[20:13] <knome> wstraus, do you have libdvdread installed?
[20:13] <wstraus> but dvds play fine in VLC.
[20:13] <wstraus> i'll check
[20:14] <wstraus> yea, libdvdread3 is installed
[20:15] <knome> so totem can't play, but vlc can?
[20:15] <wstraus> i've installed xubuntu-restricted-extras and libdvdcss2 also
[20:16] <wstraus> yes
[20:17] <wstraus> what i'm realy tring to do is get a multimedia center called freevo working.
[20:17] <wstraus> it uses mplayer to play dvds and mplayer won't play eather.
[20:18] <knome> i'm out of ideas, sorry
[20:18] <knome> i don't personally like totem so i don't use it that much. but i can play dvd's with it, however.
[20:18] <wstraus> it's cool. thank you.
[20:19] <wstraus> yea i like to use vlc. but this freevo uses mplayer
[20:19] <knome> well if vlc works, use it :)
[20:19] <knome> hmm. can't you adjust it's settings?
[20:20] <wstraus> i've been looking on google about swaping the dvd player in freevo, but i dont think it's an option.
[20:22] <wstraus> when i try to play the dvd in freevo i get an error "opening '/dev/sdc0' failed: [Errno 5] Input/output error"
[20:26] <knome> wstraus, that usually refers to a broken dvd
[20:27] <wstraus> hmm, let me get another one.
[20:28] <degritz0r> anyone bored who wants to troubleshoot a laptop that hangs while/after loading the desktop ?
[20:29] <knome> degritz0r, which xubuntu?
[20:29] <degritz0r> 8.10
[20:29] <knome> ok.
[20:30] <degritz0r> on the laptop I managed to previously run knoppix, damn small linux and opensuse
[20:30] <knome> does it freeze totally?
[20:30] <knome> how much ram?
[20:30] <degritz0r> I already ran a hour or so of memtest, no problems reported
[20:30] <degritz0r> yes
[20:30] <degritz0r> 256mb
[20:30] <knome> ok. that should be just enough..
[20:30] <degritz0r> it freezes so that if I am pinging it from another station it turns to Host Unreachable
[20:30] <degritz0r> as said, it runs opensuse, albeit as slow as f.
[20:30] <knome> ok, so you can access it and irc at the same time?
[20:31] <degritz0r> yep I am on my desktop
[20:31] <knome> ok. go to ctrl+alt+f1 and login
[20:31] <knome> can you do that?
[20:31] <degritz0r> yeah, one moment
[20:31] <degritz0r> booting the brick up
[20:31] <knome> yep.
[20:33] <degritz0r> logged in console
[20:34] <knome> ok, so if you type top, is there some process taking up all the cpu/mem?
[20:34] <degritz0r> not that I can see
[20:35] <degritz0r> highest is less than 1%
[20:35] <degritz0r> gdmgreeter sometimes takes 6% but that's it
[20:35] <degritz0r> not that I know what gdmgreeter is
[20:38] <knome> hmm.
[20:50] <degritz0r> still running :D
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I need a little help here. I need those running 8.10 to try opening Brasero from the menu
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I'm trying to resolve an bug report
[20:51] <zoredache> charlie-tca: and then what?
[20:51] <charlie-tca> let me know if it opened
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Reporter claims I messed up when I said it worked
[20:52] <zoredache> yes, it opened,  8.10 x86
[20:52] <charlie-tca> I think it is an issue with the French translations, myself
[20:52] <charlie-tca> thanks, zoredache
[20:52] <zoredache> ah, I am only use en-us
[20:53] <Jan|> whats the difference with synaptic and the add/remove software diaglogs ?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> me too.
[20:53] <degritz0r> works here in ubuntu
[20:53] <zoredache> Jan|: the audience that will use the tools... one is a bit easier then the other
[20:54] <Jan|> but its the same thing ?
[20:54] <Jan|> like, except for hte UI
[20:54] <zoredache> they both install things using the standard packagemanagment tools and depedancy resolution
[20:55] <Jan|> ok now how do I get the language dialong to stop showing when I logon ?
[20:55] <Jan|> *dialog
[20:55] <Jan|> also theres a run software dialog that keeps popingp when I logon
[20:56] <Jan|> so, 2 anoying popups
[21:00] <knome> Jan|, 1. close all applications. 2. log out and make sure "save session" is marked. 3. log in. 4. log out and make sure "save session" is marked *OU* 5. log in.
[21:00] <knome> *OUT
[21:00] <charlie-tca> Thanks, degrit
[21:00] <charlie-tca> thanks, degritz0r
[21:01] <degritz0r> any other ideas for the marvellous hanging laptop of babylon ?
[21:01] <degritz0r> the wife won't be happy to use console, I know that much
[21:02] <knome> degritz0r, sorry, i lost myself somewhere.
[21:02] <degritz0r> :D
[21:03] <knome> degritz0r, so uhm. do you see something like xfwm4 there?
[21:03] <degritz0r> column COMMAND of course
[21:03] <degritz0r> no
[21:03] <knome> (how often do people ususally send mail attachments directly from a usb stick? ;))
[21:03] <knome> hmm, that's odd. looks like it's stuck in gdm.
[21:04] <degritz0r> greeter
[21:04]  * degritz0r makes a contribution
[21:04] <knome> degritz0r, if you're willing to test, you could unistall gdm and look what happens
[21:04] <knome> or charlie-tca, you have any ideas for this?
[21:04] <knome> charlie-tca, it's not even in jaunty.. ;)
[21:04] <degritz0r> if it's something I can fix after sure I'm willing, it's not working otherwise
[21:05] <degritz0r> what does "uninstall gdm" mean tho ?
[21:05] <degritz0r> what's gdm, even
[21:05] <degritz0r> gnome desktop manager ?
[21:05] <degritz0r> I thought I was going to use xfce ?
[21:05] <knome> gdm is the login screen where you type your login and password.
[21:05] <knome> yes. xubuntu uses gdm as login manager.
[21:05] <degritz0r> right
[21:05] <degritz0r> why is it still running then ? I've logged on in console
[21:06] <knome> because it's the *graphical* login screen... :)
[21:06] <knome> degritz0r, so, in terminal 'sudo apt-get remove gdm'
[21:06] <charlie-tca> It hangs before the desktop?
[21:06] <knome> degritz0r, after that, boot your machine and you should get a text-mode login
[21:06] <knome> yes.
[21:06] <degritz0r> et voila
[21:06] <degritz0r> no it hangs while loading the desktop
[21:07] <degritz0r> it goes as far as even connecting to the network and sometimes let me move the mouse around a bit
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Yes, try remove and install gdm. It might need xfwm4 installed, though
[21:07] <degritz0r> I say while because hanging after seems silly
[21:08] <degritz0r> I even managed to run System Monitor for a few seconds
[21:08] <charlie-tca> is xfwm4 running at all?
[21:08] <degritz0r> anyway, gdm uninstalled
[21:08] <degritz0r> one sec, baby cries P:
[21:08] <degritz0r> brb
[21:08] <knome> degritz0r, now try to boot. :)
[21:08] <knome> heh ok
[21:08] <knome> excuse accepted
[21:09] <charlie-tca> knome: either xfwm4 or xfce4-session is not starting, I think
[21:09] <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, but why not? does gdmgreeter hang trying to load those?
[21:12] <charlie-tca> Something happened to the installation. They may even have been removed somehow. Is this on hardware or virtual machine?
[21:12] <knome> suppose hardware :)
[21:12] <charlie-tca> But, he should try starting them, one at a time. If it works, he needs to save the session.
[21:12] <knome> 256 MB ram so... ;)
[21:15] <Jan|> thanks knome, will try it
[21:15] <degritz0r> back, sorry
[21:15] <degritz0r> and it's hardware
[21:16] <degritz0r> if that means it's linux by itself, not running somehow within windows
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[21:16] <degritz0r> so now I just reboot ?
[21:17] <charlie-tca> You removed GDM?
[21:17] <charlie-tca> or you stopped it.
[21:17] <degritz0r> apt-get remove, aye aye
[21:17] <degritz0r> also says "removing xubuntu-desktop" among the rest
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that is just a meta-package, no problem
[21:18] <charlie-tca> restart,
[21:18] <charlie-tca> the system
[21:19] <degritz0r> by the way this was a netinst
[21:19] <degritz0r> if it can help in any way
[21:19] <charlie-tca> doesn't matter
[21:19] <degritz0r> bootin
[21:20] <degritz0r> console login
[21:20] <knome> yes, log in
[21:20] <degritz0r> I'm in
[21:20] <knome> charlie-tca, what were the steps again? ;)
[21:20] <degritz0r> and the screen doesn't flicker as it was before
[21:20] <charlie-tca> install gdm
[21:21] <degritz0r> what, like that ? "install gdm" ?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> then /etc/init.d/gdm start
[21:21] <degritz0r> apt-get install ?
[21:21] <degritz0r> bear with me, I am a donkey at this
[21:21] <charlie-tca> degrit: sudo apt-get install gdm
[21:21] <degritz0r> right
[21:21] <knome> charlie-tca,shouldn't he try launching xfce now first?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> can't login without gdm
[21:22] <knome> hmm, really?
[21:22] <knome> even with startx? i remember doing that..
[21:22] <degritz0r> done
[21:22] <charlie-tca> maybe with startx
[21:22] <charlie-tca> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Alt+F7
[21:23] <charlie-tca> what you got
[21:23] <degritz0r> it loaded the login screen
[21:23] <charlie-tca> try it
[21:23] <degritz0r> alt+f7 doesn't do anything
[21:23] <charlie-tca> try logging in
[21:24] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: anything?
[21:25] <degritz0r> desktop loads, I get as far as the popup "you are now connected to the wired network", and it's now frozen
[21:25] <degritz0r> just like before I'd say
[21:25] <charlie-tca> ctrl+alt+F1
[21:26] <degritz0r> stuck
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Tap caps lock, see if the keyboard lights respond
[21:26] <degritz0r> nop
[21:26] <knome> interesting problem.
[21:26] <degritz0r> completely frozen
[21:26] <charlie-tca> But the desktop is there?
[21:26] <knome> so, what do you see in top now?
[21:27] <degritz0r> yeah, desktop, top and bottom panels, the menu
[21:27] <degritz0r> tray icons
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Can't get to top; system froze
[21:27] <degritz0r> the whole thing
[21:27] <knome> a-ha.
[21:27] <knome> maybe boot again
[21:27] <charlie-tca> yeah
[21:28] <degritz0r> it's a shame because as said, even if slow, it runs opensuse
[21:28] <charlie-tca> What cpu?
[21:28] <degritz0r> which I guess is 100 times heavier
[21:28] <degritz0r> 1.6ghz
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Got wired and wireless?
[21:29] <degritz0r> only wired
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Restart, hard power down
[21:29] <degritz0r> back to the login screen
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Do not log in
[21:29] <degritz0r> course not
[21:29] <charlie-tca> go to a terminal
[21:29] <degritz0r> xterm ?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> and run updates
[21:30] <charlie-tca> ctrl+alt+f2
[21:30] <charlie-tca> login there
[21:30] <degritz0r> I tried running updates before today (someone's advice), there was nothing to update
[21:30] <degritz0r> apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:31] <knome> charlie-tca, and this is intrepid..
[21:31] <degritz0r> yup
[21:31] <charlie-tca> let me think a minute
[21:31]  * knome starts counting seconds
[21:31] <degritz0r> my sleuthing went as far as guessing it's something ub/xub loads which suse does not ;|
[21:31]  * charlie-tca brain hurts
[21:32] <charlie-tca> That is a good guess...
[21:33] <degritz0r> although it's the kind of common sense my grandma may have applied
[21:35] <degritz0r> maysherestinpeace
[21:38] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get remove --purge network-manager
[21:39] <degritz0r> aye aye
[21:39] <charlie-tca> it screws up in the netinstall, I think.
[21:39] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install network-manager
[21:40] <degritz0r> done and done
[21:40] <charlie-tca> alt+f7
[21:40] <charlie-tca> login there
[21:41] <charlie-tca> It will be slower logging in and getting the desktop.
[21:41] <charlie-tca> There will be no network yet
[21:41] <degritz0r> uhm looks like it's already frozen
[21:41] <degritz0r> at the login screen
[21:41] <degritz0r> yep
[21:41] <degritz0r> rebootin
[21:42] <charlie-tca> knome: I don't know. Frozen if left at the login window is bad
[21:42] <knome> charlie-tca, true.
[21:43] <charlie-tca> That seems like the graphics card or driver screwing something up
[21:43] <degritz0r> here we are at the login screen again
[21:43] <charlie-tca> What graphics card does this have?
[21:43] <degritz0r> an ati of some sort I believe
[21:43] <charlie-tca> ati rage or savage?
[21:44] <degritz0r> can't say
[21:44] <degritz0r> being an old laptop it's probably an Ati Rubbish
[21:44] <charlie-tca> knome: does 8.10 automatically install the ati driver?
[21:45] <knome> i don't know.
[21:45] <knome> you mean some generic or the propietary?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> propietary
[21:45] <degritz0r> it gave me the popup about the restricted drivers once
[21:45] <charlie-tca> did you install it
[21:45] <knome> charlie-tca, i don't think so.
[21:46] <degritz0r> so I assume the installed driver is the generic one
[21:46] <degritz0r> no time, it froze shortly after
[21:46] <knome> charlie-tca, can't the dirver be installed without GUI?
[21:46] <knome> *driver
[21:46] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:46] <charlie-tca> It probably needs to be
[21:46] <charlie-tca> But I don't know how to
[21:47] <charlie-tca> What model laptop?
[21:47] <knome> maybe just install the driver package and enable it in xorg.conf?
[21:47] <degritz0r> acer travelmate from 2002-2003
[21:47] <degritz0r> travelmate 632xv
[21:47] <charlie-tca> You have to find which video card it is and install the correct video driver
[21:49] <degritz0r> ah my bad, it appears to be a Geforce2 Go
[21:54] <degritz0r> while I was googling it it froze again at the login screen P:
[21:54] <degritz0r> baby cries again, brb soz
[21:54] <charlie-tca> Xfix
[21:55] <Brad450> hey guys
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Brad450: hello
[21:58] <Brad450> anyone know where i can get a SCSI ribbon cable??
[22:00] <Brad450> nevermind found them
[22:01] <knome> lol. :)
[22:02] <charlie-tca> I still think went wrong with the install. Maybe recovery mode and XFix can fix it.
[22:02] <charlie-tca> There doesn't seem to be any bugs against Intrepid for the Ge
[22:02] <charlie-tca> force2 GO video card
[22:03] <knome> :]
[22:05] <Brad450> anyone know what uses a UDF filesystem??
[22:06] <knome> !udf
[22:06] <charlie-tca> !info UDF
[22:06] <CppIsWeird> i was just in the middle of copying a large amount of data and accidently killed the copy process. how can i restart the transfer such that many hours of copying are not wasted and I am sure to get all the files correctly? When a file transfer is killed in mid transfer, does it remove any incompletely copied files on the recieving side? Or are things halted?
[22:06] <knome> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format
[22:07] <knome> CppIsWeird, commandline on thunar?
[22:07] <knome> *or
[22:07] <CppIsWeird> thunar, and i hit the esc key.
[22:07] <knome> was there many files or few big ones?
[22:07] <CppIsWeird> many
[22:08] <knome> hmm.
[22:08] <knome> maybe you could still try just doing again
[22:08] <CppIsWeird> i have, and its asking me if i want to replace all
[22:08] <knome> maybe not all ;)
[22:09] <degritz0r> back
[22:09] <degritz0r> I defeated the baby
[22:09] <knome> CppIsWeird, can't you skip thos which seem to be ok?
[22:09] <knome> CppIsWeird, or is it too much?
[22:09] <CppIsWeird> ... hah.
[22:09] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: hard restart, pick recovery mode at the grub menu
[22:09] <CppIsWeird> tooo much.
[22:09] <charlie-tca> I gave my grandbaby back to his mom
[22:09] <degritz0r> ok
[22:10] <degritz0r> heh this baby's mine, can't get rid :)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> Advantages of being grandpa!
[22:10] <knome> CppIsWeird, do you have any idea which file was the last?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:11] <CppIsWeird> how would i deduce that? Assuming that copies are made in alphabetical order?
[22:11] <degritz0r> recovery menu ready
[22:11] <knome> CppIsWeird, maybe some ls listing
[22:11] <knome> CppIsWeird, wait a moment..
[22:11] <charlie-tca> xfix, degrit
[22:11] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: XFix
[22:11] <CppIsWeird> well, after checking, they are not copied in alphabetical order.
[22:11] <degritz0r> u know, I think I've run this once before
[22:11] <CppIsWeird> :(
[22:12] <degritz0r> done
[22:12] <charlie-tca> continue
[22:12] <degritz0r> continued
[22:12] <degritz0r> the pesky login screen
[22:13] <charlie-tca> leave it here a minute, see if it freezes again
[22:13] <charlie-tca> I don't find any issues for this in bugs
[22:14] <degritz0r> is this any relevant
[22:14] <degritz0r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102455
[22:14] <knome> CppIsWeird, can catfish search recursively and sorting by date?
[22:14] <knome> sorry, charlie-tca :)
[22:14] <charlie-tca> not if you haven't installed restricted drivers, degritz0r
[22:15] <degritz0r> which I don't believe I did
[22:15] <charlie-tca> no problem, knome. I like a struggle
[22:15] <knome> hehe
[22:15] <charlie-tca> s/struggle/challenge
[22:15] <degritz0r> my spider sense suggests me that it's something silly
[22:15] <Brad450> anyone know if the PS3 version of ubuntu can update the kernel to add more support
[22:15] <degritz0r> on account of other distros more or less running
[22:15] <standarshy> hi
[22:15] <Brad450> ^^^ VIDEOTRON
[22:16] <Brad450> my ISP
[22:16] <charlie-tca> mine says bad video card and they are getting around it somehow
[22:16] <degritz0r> u got a spider sense too ? neat
[22:16] <standarshy> Sorry if this is posted somewere, but I coulnd't find where there minimum reqs are for xubuntu
[22:16] <knome> standarshy, http://xubuntu.org/get
[22:16] <standarshy> oh
[22:17] <degritz0r> well knoppix and opensuse had kde
[22:17] <charlie-tca> so, degritz0r, are we frozen yet?
[22:17] <standarshy> shoot, I should learn to read
[22:17] <degritz0r> damn small linux had something very ugly I don't remember the name of
[22:17] <degritz0r> not yet, not yet
[22:17] <charlie-tca> log in
[22:17] <knome> degritz0r, kde4? :D
[22:17] <CppIsWeird> knome, i dont know what catfish is. should i install it
[22:17] <degritz0r> doubt so, knoppix 5.1 and opensuse10.2
[22:17] <CppIsWeird> ?
[22:18] <knome> CppIsWeird, wait a moment :)
[22:18] <degritz0r> few seconds in the desktop...
[22:18] <CppIsWeird> knome, ok, thanks for helping me out.
[22:18] <standarshy> Can anyone vauge for how xubuntu runs with 128 mb?
[22:18] <degritz0r> mouse still moves....
[22:19] <knome> standarshy, just like degritz0r said: mouse still moves... ;)
[22:19] <charlie-tca> standarshy: 400MHz cpu, 128MB ram, sluggish but usable
[22:19] <knome> standarshy, you might experience great performance loss
[22:19] <degritz0r> hard disk blinks now and then, not stuck yet...
[22:19] <degritz0r> I don't dare clicking
[22:19] <standarshy> ok
[22:19] <standarshy> Well, maybe someone can help me with something
[22:19] <degritz0r> "Information available" popup popped up
[22:19] <charlie-tca> got to the network connection yet?
[22:19] <degritz0r> still not frozen
[22:19] <degritz0r> yeah that was the first thing
[22:19] <standarshy> So, I found a computer by the curb a while ago
[22:20] <standarshy> and right now it is pretty slow running win xp
[22:20] <charlie-tca> try things, degritz0r
[22:20] <degritz0r> still going
[22:20] <degritz0r> I don't dare!
[22:20] <degritz0r> I'll run system monitor
[22:20] <standarshy> It's a compaq presario desktop from 2003
[22:20] <charlie-tca> yeah, that should lock you up! degritz0r :-)
[22:20] <degritz0r> a-ha
[22:20] <degritz0r> stuck
[22:21] <charlie-tca> give it a minute
[22:21] <degritz0r> while loading from hd, from what I can see
[22:21] <degritz0r> nah, I can tell when it's frozen by now
[22:21] <standarshy> Would xubuntu run faster than xp on that system?  It as a celeron processor, and again, 128 mb ram
[22:21] <charlie-tca> no keyboard lites work?
[22:21] <degritz0r> nope
[22:21] <knome> CppIsWeird, ok so catfish is a file searcher.
[22:21] <charlie-tca> standarshy: don't know, I haven't used windows since 3.1
[22:22] <knome> CppIsWeird, you could install it, search for '*' in the folder you were copying to
[22:22] <knome> CppIsWeird, and sort by last modified date
[22:22] <standarshy> That's cool
[22:22] <standarshy> hmm
[22:22] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: back to recovery mode, XFix again.
[22:22] <knome> CppIsWeird, that way you could see the last few files, maybe delete them and continue with copying
[22:22] <standarshy> Anyone else think it would be faster or the same?
[22:22] <knome> CppIsWeird, i suppose you can 'skip all' ?
[22:22] <charlie-tca> standarshy: and 3.1 was not all that fast on my 25MHz 386
[22:23] <Brad450> how can i check for kernel updates???
[22:23] <degritz0r> but it didn't work before ?
[22:23] <charlie-tca> yes, it got us farther that anything else, but sometimes...
[22:24] <degritz0r> don't mean to be a spoilsport, but I'd managed to get that far before
[22:24] <standarshy> hmm
[22:24] <standarshy> I could always just do a dual boot and try it out
[22:24] <charlie-tca> well, hell
[22:24] <degritz0r> what about a file system check P:
[22:25] <charlie-tca> I don't think it will help. what about a memory check?
[22:25] <Brad450> where can i check for kernel updates and then isntall them???
[22:25] <Brad450> **install
[22:25] <degritz0r> it seems odd that it's the video alone because it doesn't do much video-related while sitting at the login screen
[22:25] <knome> CppIsWeird, i have to go now. please refer to charlie-tca with further questions :)
[22:25] <charlie-tca> run a memory check at night, when you go to bed.
[22:25] <knome> good night everybody o/ :)
[22:25] <degritz0r> I ran memtest for a hour or so today
[22:25] <charlie-tca> good night knome
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Never mind, then
[22:25] <knome> see you tomorrow charlie
[22:26] <degritz0r> night and thx
[22:27] <Brad450> where can i go to check for PS3 kernel updates??
[22:27] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: restart, edit the grub menu line, add nomsi at the end of the kernel line
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Brad450: are you using Xubuntu?
[22:28] <Brad450> ya but with GNOME so i guesse its just like regualr ubuntu
[22:28] <degritz0r> how do I edit that ?
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Updates should be the same as anyone else, sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:29] <charlie-tca> USe the arrow keys to move the cursor at the grub menu so it don't get away
[22:29] <standarshy> oh, another question
[22:29] <Brad450> there are kernel updates for the PS3 so i can use tye onboard wireless card and use VRAM
[22:29] <standarshy> Do 720p mkv files play well on the ps3 yet?
[22:29] <Brad450> **the
[22:29] <charlie-tca> hilite the line you want, hit e on it, it will open a simple one line editor.
[22:29] <Brad450> not that i know ill have to try
[22:30] <degritz0r> which line, normal or recovery mode ?
[22:30] <Brad450> MKV is coming to the PS3 OS soon so i dont really need it in linux
[22:31] <degritz0r> it opens another menu with uuid, kernel, initrd, and quiet
[22:31] <charlie-tca> cursor to the end of the line that starts with "kernel", normal
[22:31] <charlie-tca> normal
[22:31] <Brad450> anyone know of a website that keeps track of kernel updates
[22:31] <Brad450> ??
[22:31] <charlie-tca> hit e, hilite the kernel line, hit e
[22:31] <degritz0r> ok
[22:31] <charlie-tca> then hit enter
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Then hit b
[22:32] <charlie-tca> then it will boot
[22:32] <degritz0r> I think I did it
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Did I get you confused, yet
[22:33] <degritz0r> so what does nomsi do
[22:33] <degritz0r> or don't do, in fact
[22:33] <charlie-tca> hopefully, stop it from freezing
[22:33] <degritz0r> straight to the desktop
[22:33] <degritz0r> right
[22:33] <degritz0r> ?
[22:34] <charlie-tca> well, login, yes
[22:34] <degritz0r> attaaaack
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Brad450: the kernel updates aren't in Ubuntu, yet?
[22:35] <Brad450> thats what i want to know. kernel updates have been released specificly for PS3 and i want to know how i can go about installing them
 Do 720p mkv files play well on the ps3 yet?
[22:35] <brandonban6> http://www.kernel.org/
[22:36] <charlie-tca> anyone know about the 720p mkv files ?
[22:36] <Brad450> charlie why are there 2 of you lol and yes rather well in YDL i didnt try in ubuntu yet
[22:37] <utonto> it's not frozen yet!!
[22:37] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: I don't know what it does
[22:37] <utonto> I'll be shamefully displayed on a stock and be smeared with jam!
[22:37] <utonto> it's me, degritz0r
[22:37] <utonto> although I understand how silly that may sound said out loud in the street
[22:37] <charlie-tca> Brad450: should not be two of me
[22:38] <degritz0r> well it looks like working fine so far
[22:38] <degritz0r> so all it needed was "nomsi" in grub ?
[22:38] <Brad450> there is a brow and pink charlie lol
[22:38] <Brad450> **brown
[22:38] <charlie-tca> standarshy: did you get the answer?
[22:39] <degritz0r> I knew it was something small and silly
[22:39] <charlie-tca> Yes, degritz0r. But now we need to fix it permanently.
[22:39] <degritz0r> ok I spoke too soon, I clicked to start firefox and it froze
[22:39] <charlie-tca> Brad450: I don't know
[22:39] <Brad450> look above
[22:40] <charlie-tca> I don't have those in XChat. I see one charlie-tca
[22:40] <Brad450> well thats the pink one^^^
[22:40] <Brad450> and the one above my last post is brown hehhe
[22:41] <Brad450> my last last post**
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Brad450: Is this the brown one?
[22:41] <Brad450> ya
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Pink means I did not add your name to the post
[22:41] <charlie-tca> brown is when I address you specifically
[22:41] <Brad450> HOLY SHIT UR KIDDING ME
[22:42] <Brad450> lol I FEEL LIKE A MORON HAHAHA
[22:42] <charlie-tca> That is so when it is busy, you see the post to you
[22:42] <Brad450> gotcha
[22:42] <brandonban6> what client are you using charlie-tca ?
[22:42] <charlie-tca> XChat, brandonban6
[22:43] <brandonban6> ahh
[22:43] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: we could try some other things there, and maybe get this working.
[22:43] <degritz0r> I'm all eyes
[22:43] <charlie-tca> restart, to the grub menu again
[22:44] <degritz0r> there already
[22:44] <degritz0r> I almost believed we'd made it
[22:44] <degritz0r> evil firefox
[22:44] <charlie-tca> add acpi=off nomsi
[22:45] <charlie-tca> two of them this time. nomsi should have went away, right?
[22:45] <degritz0r> and b
[22:45] <degritz0r> yes
[22:45] <charlie-tca> acpi=off nomsi
[22:45] <charlie-tca> login and see what we get
[22:46] <charlie-tca> brandonban6: I have 18 channels(tabs) open across the bottom
[22:47] <degritz0r> I'm in
[22:47] <degritz0r> hasn't frozen yet
[22:47] <standarshy> hmm, guys
[22:48] <standarshy> It kinda looks like the install froze
[22:48] <degritz0r> I run a terminal and 'top'
[22:48] <charlie-tca> standarshy: what are you installing?
[22:48] <standarshy> xubuntu
[22:48] <standarshy> I'm installing it from boot
[22:48] <charlie-tca> give it time. what percentage is it on
[22:48] <standarshy> and it said loading up debian
[22:49] <standarshy> bu tnow the monitor is black
[22:49] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: and not frozen?
[22:49] <brandonban6> charlie-tca, I thought 4 were bad :P ..........I'm using xchat as well........but the rooms show up in a treemode. I'm sure I can customized the client but I haven't had a need or desire too.
[22:49] <charlie-tca> standarshy: hit shift a couple ;of times
[22:49] <charlie-tca> brandonban6: tree is too short for me
[22:49] <degritz0r> not frozen yet
[22:49] <degritz0r> then again, I haven't tried starting firefox
[22:49] <charlie-tca> I all the way across a 19"monitor
[22:49] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: try it.
[22:50] <degritz0r> suspense
[22:50] <brandonban6> ChanServ,  haha........I bet.........18 rooms that is insane.
[22:50] <standarshy> um
[22:50] <standarshy> charlie-tca, still nothing
[22:50] <degritz0r> ooooh it started
[22:50] <charlie-tca> That is normal for me. On some days I add another 6
[22:50] <standarshy> I'll restart and see what happens
[22:50] <charlie-tca> standarshy: no
[22:50] <standarshy> no?
[22:51] <charlie-tca> move the mouse, click, hit caps lock to see if the keyboard lites work
[22:51] <brandonban6> charlie-tca, are they all support rooms?
[22:51] <standarshy> still nothing
[22:51] <charlie-tca> no, some are devel only, some are meeting
[22:52] <degritz0r> charlie-tca yeah everything works so far, I even browser a couple of urls
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Then, standarshy, yes. Probably a reboot.
[22:52] <degritz0r> -sed
[22:52] <brandonban6> nice.........I use linux as a sysadmin.......dev work makes my eyes spin.
[22:52] <degritz0r> looks like all it needs now is getting the latest flash player for the wife to watch youtube with
[22:52] <degritz0r> and erecting a small monument to charlie-tca
[22:52] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: now reboot and try just the acpi=off one
[22:52] <degritz0r> k
[22:53] <charlie-tca> I think the suspend and hibernate won't work with what we got now
[22:53] <charlie-tca> brandonban6: I can't program anymore, but I can help sometimes
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Also got both Freenode and GIMPnet open
[22:55] <Brad450> would any good old kernel work on PS3??
[22:56] <degritz0r> firefox, system monitor and a terminal with top running
[22:56] <degritz0r> no freezing
[22:56] <degritz0r> \o/
[22:56] <standarshy> ok
[22:56] <standarshy> so i'm trying to install again
[22:57] <standarshy> i see the xubuntu logo, an the bar is going back and forth
[22:57] <charlie-tca> standarshy: wonder if you want to do that in safe graphics mode?
[22:57] <standarshy> what do you mean
[22:58] <charlie-tca> you hit F4 and select it. It may mean it won't freeze again
[22:58] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: Do you want to use it that way or keep going?
[22:58] <degritz0r> is there more ?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> We could try different options to turn most of ACPI back on
[22:58] <degritz0r> after this u can found a cult and I'll sign up
[22:59] <degritz0r> I don't know what acpi even means
[22:59] <charlie-tca> I don't think I'm that good.
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
[22:59] <charlie-tca> has to do with suspend and hibernate
[23:00] <degritz0r> ahh right
[23:00] <degritz0r> I never liked those functions, they always messed the laptop up even with xp
[23:00] <charlie-tca> You could run it this way for a couple of days, then come back and try again if you want them.
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Let's make it permanent, then
[23:01] <degritz0r> does it mean now it won't automatically go to sleep ?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:01] <degritz0r> because I quite like that
[23:01] <standarshy> hmm
[23:01] <degritz0r> I mean like that it doesn't
[23:01] <degritz0r> hibernation always sucked on this laptop
[23:01] <charlie-tca> It shouldn't sleep now
[23:01] <standarshy> It mightbe working this time, it's just slow
[23:01] <degritz0r> well hurrah
[23:01] <standarshy> not sure
[23:01] <degritz0r> I'll look up what msi is later
[23:02] <standarshy> at the moment the screen is black again
[23:02] <charlie-tca> standarshy: That is probably right. Usually it gets stuck around 6% and another spot
[23:02] <charlie-tca> You should be able to hit caps lock and num lock to check the keyboard lites. If they don't work, it froze
[23:02] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: open a terminal
[23:03] <standarshy> charlie-tca: right now, it got black right after it was doing system checks
[23:03] <charlie-tca> better yet, Alt+F2, degritz0r
[23:03] <standarshy> Like, I saw it was checking battery state, gnome manager, or something
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Okay, standarshy
[23:03] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: you with me?
[23:04] <degritz0r> now I am, I was having a look in synaptic for the flash package
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Okay. Let's add the option in so you don't have to edit every time
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Alt+F2
[23:05] <degritz0r> good idea
[23:05] <charlie-tca> gksu thunar
[23:05] <charlie-tca> left side, File System
[23:06] <degritz0r> it's still installing flash P:
[23:06] <degritz0r> not the fastest laptop in the west
[23:06] <charlie-tca> okay
[23:06] <standarshy> charlie-tca: It's still not doing anything. What do you suggest?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> got keyboard lites that work?
[23:06] <degritz0r> is gksu thunar for me ?
[23:07] <charlie-tca> Yes, degritz0r. after the flash install finishes
[23:07] <charlie-tca> standarshy: keyboard lites blink on and off if you tap caps lock?
[23:08] <degritz0r> says "gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[23:08] <standarshy> charlie-tca: yes they do, but I have this wireless combo keyboard mouse thing
[23:08] <degritz0r> actually says (gksu:5258): and then the warning
[23:08] <standarshy> It's connected to usb, I don't know if that affects antyhign
[23:08] <charlie-tca> It's okay, standarshy it is still working then
[23:09] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: did you close synaptic?
[23:09] <degritz0r> yep
[23:09] <charlie-tca> restart, add the acpi=off again
[23:09] <degritz0r> ok
[23:10] <standarshy> charlie-tca: is that for me?
[23:10] <standarshy> Should I try the alternative disk?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> no, yours is "that's okay. If the lites blink when you tap caps lock/num lock, it is working, so you gotta wait."
[23:11] <charlie-tca> standarshy: how much memory?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> 128, right
[23:11] <standarshy> correct
[23:11] <standarshy> I know that it is really low
[23:11] <CppIsWeird> when copying files using thunar, if a copy process from one location to another is interrupted, how does this treat the file that is currently being copied? Does it leave it there incomplete, does it remove it, does it leave it in the directory under a different name while copying and then rename it once the file is copied thus if the copy process is interrupted it leaves it there or deletes it?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> You need to use the alternate cd, yes. The desktop cd takes more memory
[23:11] <degritz0r> booted up, I suppose I go ahead with ctrl alt f2 and gksu thunar
[23:12] <standarshy> ok, i'll try that
[23:12] <standarshy> Is there anything different in the install process?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> CppIsWeird: I believe it depends on how it was interrupted. It does use the actual file names
[23:12] <degritz0r> same message/warning
[23:12] <CppIsWeird> charlie-tca, with the escape key.
[23:13] <charlie-tca> standarshy: It will not be the graphics you get
[23:13] <CppIsWeird> charlie-tca, btw, sorry about disappearing earlier, important phone call.
[23:13] <charlie-tca> CppIsWeird: left the partial file, i think
[23:13] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[23:13] <standarshy> ok
[23:13] <charlie-tca> We all gotta run sometime
[23:13] <charlie-tca> standarshy: the displays are different in appearance. I think they are easier, myself
[23:14] <CppIsWeird> charlie-tca, is the partial file under a different name or something like that so that i could find it? or its under the original file's name thus the only way to find it is to find an incomplete file?
[23:14] <charlie-tca> standarshy: It took me about 3-1/2 hours on mine using the desktop cd
[23:14] <charlie-tca> CppIsWeird: going to be the same name as the original file
[23:14] <standarshy> alright
[23:14] <standarshy> Thanksk charlie-tca
[23:15] <charlie-tca> CppIsWeird: I usually have to compare file sizes
[23:15] <charlie-tca> standarshy: You are welcome
[23:15] <standarshy> I'm going to go study now, and download the cd.  I'll try installing it again later.
[23:15] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: you did Ctrl+alt+f2?
[23:15] <degritz0r> yeah
[23:15] <charlie-tca> so you logged in again
[23:15] <degritz0r> same cannot open display message
[23:15] <degritz0r> yes
[23:15] <charlie-tca> exit
[23:16] <degritz0r> back at the login screen
[23:16] <CppIsWeird> charlie-tca, any way I can do a diff between two directories recursively based on file size?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> log in there
[23:16] <charlie-tca> CppIsWeird: I don't know how to
[23:16] <CppIsWeird> charlie-tca, ok, thanksf or the help.
[23:16] <degritz0r> 'm in
[23:16] <charlie-tca> CppIsWeird: You are welcome
[23:16] <charlie-tca> degritz0r: now hit Alt+f2, no Ctrl
[23:17] <degritz0r> run program
[23:17] <charlie-tca> gksu thunar
[23:17] <degritz0r> in
[23:17] <charlie-tca> left side, click on File system
[23:17] <degritz0r> ahhh so thunar is xubuntu's nautilus ?
[23:17] <charlie-tca> big window, click on Etc
[23:18] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:18] <degritz0r> ok
[23:18] <degritz0r> grub.d ?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> I screwed up, back up
[23:18] <degritz0r> aye aye
[23:18] <charlie-tca> I don't want to be there
[23:18] <charlie-tca> file system, boot
[23:18] <degritz0r> in
[23:18] <charlie-tca> now grub
[23:19] <degritz0r> right
[23:19] <charlie-tca> copy menu.lst and rename the copy to original.menu.lst
[23:19] <degritz0r> done
[23:19] <degritz0r> edit menu.lst with abiword ?
[23:20] <charlie-tca> no, edit with mousepad
[23:20] <degritz0r> in
[23:20] <charlie-tca> cursor down to "# defoptions=quiet splash"
[23:21] <charlie-tca> Don't remove any of the # signs
[23:21] <degritz0r> found
[23:21] <charlie-tca> go to the end of that line and type
[23:21] <charlie-tca>  acpi=off
[23:21] <degritz0r> to the end of the single-#-ed defoptions
[23:21] <degritz0r> k
[23:22] <degritz0r> save and done ?
[23:22] <charlie-tca> not done yet
[23:22] <charlie-tca> line should now be
[23:22] <charlie-tca> # defoptions=quiet splash acpi=off
[23:22] <degritz0r> defoptions=quiet splash quiet acpi=off
[23:22] <degritz0r> I have 2 quiets
[23:23] <degritz0r> and yeah I have the # don't worry
[23:23] <charlie-tca> you didn't go far enough, I think
[23:23] <charlie-tca> section starts ## additional options
[23:23] <degritz0r> this one is under ##additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the alternatives
[23:23] <charlie-tca> right
[23:24] <degritz0r> I just have 2 quiets
[23:24] <degritz0r> shall I remove one
[23:24] <charlie-tca> now we go down to the first set without the ##
[23:24] <charlie-tca> right after ## ## End Default Options
[23:24] <charlie-tca> go to the kernel line
[23:24] <degritz0r> and add acpi=off at the end of the kernel lines
[23:25] <charlie-tca> just the first one
[23:25] <degritz0r> generic and recovery
[23:25] <degritz0r> shall I remove the duplicate quiets where I find them
[23:25] <charlie-tca> The recovery line don't need it
[23:25] <charlie-tca> what, you got quiet quiet?
[23:25] <degritz0r> I have quiet splash quiet
[23:25] <degritz0r> both in the #defoptions and in the kernel line
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Yes, take the second quiet out
[23:26] <degritz0r> ok
[23:26] <charlie-tca> sorry, misunderstood the first couple times
[23:26] <degritz0r> no worries
[23:26] <degritz0r> save ?
[23:26] <charlie-tca> save
[23:26] <charlie-tca> and close thunar
[23:26] <degritz0r> and deliver laptop to the wife
[23:27] <charlie-tca> Now when you boot, you don't have to edit the grub menu line
[23:27] <degritz0r> who will then silence the baby with reruns of the muppets
[23:27] <charlie-tca> That's it! and all will be happy?
[23:27] <degritz0r> hurrayyy
[23:27] <degritz0r> man you spread some kickass positive karma today
[23:27] <degritz0r> know that
[23:27] <charlie-tca> Thanks, I try hard
[23:27] <degritz0r> it shows
[23:28] <degritz0r> I go make a small votive statue to you in my garden
[23:28] <charlie-tca> we all volunteer here, and sometimes I can help a little bit
[23:29] <degritz0r> uhm it's not shutting down now
[23:30] <degritz0r> well it looks shut down but the ubuntu logo and progress bar are still on screen and the fan is running
[23:30] <charlie-tca> So we broke shutdown with acpi=off. It halts, but doesn't power off. It is safe to turn it off there.
[23:30] <degritz0r> u think it took offense to the acpi=off ?
[23:30] <degritz0r> no worse than it was with win95 :)
[23:31] <charlie-tca> No, that is part of acpi
[23:31] <degritz0r> thanks again, I go give the piece of s-laptop to the wife
[23:31] <charlie-tca> acpi causes it to power off, instead of halt. Halt means it shut everything down, but doesn't kill power
[23:31] <degritz0r> I see
[23:31] <charlie-tca> I got one that does that no matter what I do.
[23:32] <degritz0r> so much to learn P:
[23:32] <charlie-tca> me too.
[23:32] <charlie-tca> If it bothers the wife, come on back and remind me what we did.  HAH
[23:37] <charlie-tca> It never really ends
[23:47] <degritz0r> the wife comes with a 12 and a 17 yo of her own D:
[23:47] <degritz0r> I know too well for my own good
[23:48]  * charlie-tca thinks degritz0r got his work already set for hime
[23:48] <degritz0r> dehihihoho
[23:49] <fbc> how do I dump the output of a command to a text file?


[01:25] <CIA-1> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2705 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/console_setup.py):
[01:25] <CIA-1> ubiquity: Adjust Brazilian and Japanese keyboard models when applying the keyboard
[01:25] <CIA-1> ubiquity: layout on the fly (LP: #217140).
[01:26] <CIA-1> oem-config: cjwatson * r484 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/components/console_setup.py):
[01:26] <CIA-1> oem-config: Adjust Brazilian and Japanese keyboard models when applying the keyboard
[01:26] <CIA-1> oem-config: layout on the fly (LP: #217140).
[06:12] <S[h]O[r]T> hey guys, back again :()
[06:12] <S[h]O[r]T> d-i netcfg/dhcp_timeout string 60
[06:12] <S[h]O[r]T> does it matter where in my config I set that
[06:13] <S[h]O[r]T> right now its the first thing after d-i debconf/priority string critical
[06:13] <S[h]O[r]T> in my preseed
[08:01] <cjwatson> no, order doesn't matter
[08:02] <cjwatson> however, if you're netbooting, then you need to specify that as netcfg/dhcp_timeout=60 on the kernel command line, because the netboot installer processes preseeding after configuring the network
[08:02] <cjwatson> I believe the installation guide has some language about this ...
[08:42] <S[h]O[r]T> its at 200, it keeps seeming to vary which is weird. The network isnt really slow or anything. Im testing a 32bit and 64bit preseed on some athlons, core2duos and now some intel quads to make sure everything goes ok. The few quad machines didnt seem to like the 60 and wanted an upper limit
[08:44] <S[h]O[r]T> not that i care, it could be a billion as long as it works. just was weird
[09:21] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2706 ubiquity/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Properly support the new d-i localechooser.
[10:10] <hornyforholbach> hi
[10:11] <hornyforholbach> i'm horny for holbach
[10:11] <hornyforholbach> nice to meet you
[10:15] <cjwatson> you're also off-topic in this channel
[10:15] <hornyforholbach> how do I be on topic
[10:15] <hornyforholbach> i know
[10:16] <hornyforholbach> i suggest something
[10:16] <hornyforholbach> please enable easier use of installer for windows users
[10:16] <hornyforholbach> make simple clear buttons for windows users
[10:16] <hornyforholbach> with the option of a presentable, "Are you a regular Windows user?"
[10:16] <cjwatson> you are welcome to send patches for specific issues
[10:16] <hornyforholbach> to differentiate between setup methods
[10:16] <cjwatson> vague "please make it better" is not so helpful ;-)
[10:17] <hornyforholbach> a Yes would guide the Windows user down a different, easier install route
[10:17] <cjwatson> please see wubi
[10:17] <hornyforholbach> this is not vague
[10:17] <hornyforholbach> I cannot patch
[10:17] <cjwatson> this is a development channel
[10:18] <hornyforholbach> you don't take feedback?
[10:18] <hornyforholbach> no one's talking anyway
[10:18] <cjwatson> we welcome feedback by way of Launchpad
[10:18] <hornyforholbach> Oh
[10:18] <cjwatson> various people like to read scrollback in this channel, and silence is not an excuse to create noise
[10:18] <hornyforholbach> but Launchpad is an easy place for ideas to be buried
[10:19] <hornyforholbach> I've seen it a lot
[10:19] <cjwatson> or brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <cjwatson> that's a good place for miscellaneous idea
[10:19] <cjwatson> s
[10:19] <hornyforholbach> my suggestions are noise?
[10:19] <hornyforholbach> how rude
[10:19] <cjwatson> 10:18 <hornyforholbach> no one's talking anyway
[10:19] <cjwatson> haha
[10:19] <evand> ...wow
[10:29] <S[h]O[r]T> make ubuntu like windows, thnx.
[10:29] <cjwatson> the name, and the tor cloak, are characteristic of a troll
[10:29] <cjwatson> I don't generally feel guilty about blowing off trolls
[10:34] <S[h]O[r]T> are there any other networks like FreeNode where some other communities have there channels?
[10:35] <evand> S[h]O[r]T: Debian and some other projects are on OFTC.
[10:37] <S[h]O[r]T> thanks
[10:44] <cjwatson> there's also a special GNOME network
[10:55] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2707 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): (log message trimmed)
[10:55] <CIA-1> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[10:55] <CIA-1> ubiquity: 1.86ubuntu3, choose-mirror 2.24ubuntu2, clock-setup 0.95ubuntu1,
[10:55] <CIA-1> ubiquity: console-setup 1.25ubuntu2, debian-installer-utils 1.59ubuntu1, grub-
[10:55] <CIA-1> ubiquity: installer 1.32ubuntu1, hw-detect 1.63ubuntu1, localechooser
[10:55] <CIA-1> ubiquity: 2.03ubuntu1, migration-assistant 0.6.2, partman-partitioning
[10:55] <CIA-1> ubiquity: 59ubuntu3, silo-installer 1.14ubuntu1, tzsetup 1:0.21, user-setup
[11:12] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2708 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.9.2
[14:31] <TheMuso> Hrm looks like the trunk branch of casper on LP is broken... Tried pulling, and when there were no revisions to pull, made a local change, and pushed, and was told branches have diverged.
[14:31] <TheMuso> Tried pulling a fresh branch, and 0 revisions? yet LP says it was modified 3 days ago...
[15:53] <cjwatson> yeah, that's known
[15:54] <cjwatson> lifeless and I tried to fix the breakage and only succeeded in making it worse
[15:54] <cjwatson> poke lifeless about it, I think he's in Danakil
[15:56] <TheMuso> cjwatson: No real hurry, but thanks for the heads up. I'll keep my changes locally till things are fixed.
[18:23] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2709 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.9.3
[18:24] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2710 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): Ignore "apt API not stable yet" message.


[06:19] <pranav> how to install ubuntu from busybox ?
[06:20] <pranav> i installed ubuntu on my arc-machine.. where can i get a small dekstop manager?
[06:23] <pranav> *arm
[06:26] <pranav> hello guys!
[10:21] <pranav> ok, i tranferred the file system and kernel binaries to my arm-device. it boots busybox. how should i proceed to boot ubuntu dekstop manager (lightweight) ?


[13:34] <pmatulis_> is the Ubuntu Manual still alive?
[13:39] <knome> afaik, yes
[17:51] <pmatulis_> it shows 13.10
[18:05] <knome> pmatulis_, yeah, i think they couldn't put up a new version for 14.04, but they're not completely inactive either
[22:27] <belkinsa> They are inactive to do the lack of people to get on going, I think.
[22:28] <belkinsa> So, basicly what knome said.
[22:34] <belkinsa> pmatulis_, I like what you have done on the sandbox page for the Doc Team's home page.
[23:06] <pmatulis_> belkinsa: alright, that's great.  the main community page should be re-worded as well like i mentioned.  i just didn't have time to keep going.  a crazy day today
[23:07] <belkinsa> We can work the rest during the meeting if anyone is up tp it
[23:07] <belkinsa> pmatulis_, ^^^


[04:18] <mup> Bug #1693037 changed: Can’t start a snap app <zesty> <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1693037>
[04:18] <mup> Bug #1693664 changed: Snapd won't install anbox, Character error <auto> <connect> <info> <snap> <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1693664>


 I've forgotten where did you guys store the scripts for creating the live-cd's ?
[08:41] <alocer> I've managed to create a live image with the help of live-build from debian team. kudos to elementary/os repository on github.
[08:41] <alocer> there is another with is a custom script regolith linux repository on github is using that as well. I only want to compare different ways different teams are working to create live-cd's.
[08:42] <alocer> \m/
[08:42] <seb128> goood morning desktopers, sounds like I forgot to start IRC today!
[08:44] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:46] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:47] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, hey duflu, how are you?
[08:47] <duflu> seb128, not bad. You?
[08:47] <seb128> I'm alright thanks!
[08:48] <oSoMoN> I'm good, had a very relaxing week-end camping by the beach with friends.
[08:49] <duflu> oSoMoN wins the weekend
[10:56] <lissyx> oSoMoN, seb128: hello
[10:56] <lissyx> I'm wondering if you had knowledges around XDG Document Portal ?
[10:57] <lissyx> context: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1774556#c56
[11:04] <seb128> jamesh, ^ do you maybe know?
[11:09] <lissyx> from reading the code it's not super clear to me
[11:11] <jamesh> seb128: haven't read all of the bug report, but going by the end of it, I'd expect the mkdir() calls to fail: when exposing a writable file, xdg-desktop-portal really only allows creating a temporary file in the directory provided and renaming the temporary file over the top of the real file name.
[11:15] <lissyx> jamesh, ok, do you have some reference that states that and we could link?
[11:15] <lissyx> jamesh, also, is this something fundamentally unfixable or just a choice ?
[11:17] <jamesh> lissyx, seb128: xdg-desktop-portal does have a relatively new SaveFiles() method that could potentially handle this use case: it lets the caller provide a list of files they want to save to, and returns a corresponding list of document portal paths the app can write to.
[11:17] <lissyx> jamesh, yes sergio mentionned that
[11:17] <lissyx> jamesh, although would it allow for a directory created ?
[11:18] <lissyx> jamesh, and the caller of `SaveFile` is not us, it is GTK, so it would require quite some change either on our side or GTK's
[11:20] <jamesh> lissyx: it wouldn't let Firefox create the directory, no. If xdg-desktop-portal allows path elements in the files list though, it might be possible.
[11:20] <jamesh> otherwise, Firefox would need to save all the page resources in the current directory
[11:21] <lissyx> I am unsure this is an acceptable change, it would make the behavior deviate too much.
[11:21] <jamesh> And I realise the paths are important to Firefox, since it needs to fix up URL paths in the HTML
[11:21] <lissyx> jamesh, so i'd need to try and pass SaveFiles() the HTML file as well as the resources that are living under the subdir (with the subdir)
[11:22] <lissyx> I failed to find some doc on how I could trigger a SaveFiles() manually from maybe shell or python
[11:22] <lissyx> I guess I need to try again, some python + dbus and check if we can make something like that
[11:34] <jamesh> lissyx: from the look of the xdg-desktop-portal-gtk UI implementation, you could potentially specify subdirectories for some of the files to save. I don't know if xdg-document-portal would actually create them for you when trying to write to those files though.
[11:35] <jamesh> It may also decide to rename some of the files you specify if there are existing files by those names. I imagine that'll be a problem for Firefox's use case too: https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk/blob/main/src/filechooser.c#L152-L174
[11:35] <jamesh> Presumably there is similar code in xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
[11:52] <lissyx> yep
[11:54] <lissyx> jamesh, I was hopeful because of https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/blob/13e8307791bbd549cc882b4e368032ad8f53536d/document-portal/document-portal.c#L301-L302
[12:01] <jbicha> good morning
[20:01] <KGB-2> libsigcplusplus pipeline Jeremy Bicha 391032 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[20:10] <KGB-0> libsigcplusplus pipeline Jeremy Bicha 391032 * [8 minutes and 26 seconds] failed (extract-source: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; test-build-any: success; test-build-all: success; test-crossbuild-arm64: success; reprotest: failed; lintian: success; autopkgtest: success; blhc: success; piuparts: success)


[02:20] <RAOF> Hm. Do source package recipes only work from public branches?
[02:21] <simplew> dput isnt uploading packages, when misses 1k to finish upload it stops and the package isnt uploaded, any help?
[02:21] <wgrant> RAOF: Yes
[02:22] <wgrant> RAOF: It's a significant chunk of extra work to selectively grant builders access to a subset of private branches, and it wasn't a priority for the initial recipe work (which was for daily builds of upstream software)
[02:31] <RAOF> wgrant: I suspected as much after a moment's thought.
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Hi guys can't understand why when I try to dput to my ppa it freezes like Uploading linux-lowlatency_3.7.0-1.20.tar.gz: 838985k/838986k
[14:59] <geser> smartboyhw: see https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/1738
[15:01] <smartboyhw> geser, thanks
[15:17] <TheLordOfTime> sftp dput uploads... are they a little bit more secure than standard FTP?>
[15:21] <geser> sftp uses SSH in the background
[15:35] <maxb> TheLordOfTime: IIUC the main motivation behind sftp is so launchpad actually knows who's doing the upload even if the pgp signature is missing or bad
[15:42] <mgz> czajkowski: is there a bug for https://launchpad.net/~utlemming throwing Unauthorized?
[16:22] <bac> deryck: ping
[16:23] <czajkowski> bac: did anyone steal your chairs
[16:24] <bac> czajkowski: no, they are safe!
[16:24] <bac> czajkowski: it's kind of sleazy but, 'when in rome'
[16:25] <deryck> bac, hi there.
[16:36] <czajkowski> ;)
[16:39] <ricotz> czajkowski, hi :)
[16:39] <czajkowski> ricotz: how can I help
[16:40] <czajkowski> you only ever say hi when you want something :)
[16:40] <ricotz> any ETA for enabling the automatic-deletetion of old binaries in PPAs?
[16:40] <ricotz> czajkowski, you are right :\
[16:41] <czajkowski> ricotz: wgrant is to talk to bigjools later about running a script to get rid of 1.5 million rows of crut built up
[16:42] <czajkowski> as soon as we know we'll update the bug in the topic
[16:42] <ricotz> czajkowski, i see, thank you
[16:42] <czajkowski> sorry I cant be more of help
[16:43] <czajkowski> ricotz: is your ppa running out of space
[16:43] <czajkowski> I can increase your quota for you if neede d
[16:47] <ricotz> czajkowski, i already requested more space last week to prevent running out of space ;)
[16:47] <ricotz> so currently it is fine
[16:47] <czajkowski> ok
[16:47] <czajkowski> shout if needs be via answers if I'm not here
[16:47] <czajkowski> I tend to check out of hours stuff
[16:48] <ricotz> but of eventually it will run out ;)
[16:48] <ricotz> thanks!
[17:47] <czajkowski> sinzui: any idea why this is happening to the user. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/214281  there are no mails in moderation from him I checked with the list owner
[18:10] <sinzui> czajkowski, he has only one registered email address...and the email must be from that same address
[18:24] <sinzui> czajkowski, As I suspected, he sent the email from an unregistered email address. I can see Lp dropped an email from an address very similar to the one he registered.
[18:25] <Munchor> Hello guys
[18:25] <Munchor> Yo
[18:25] <Munchor> I have more than 1 email on Launchpad
[18:25] <Munchor> When people "bzr commit --author", is it possible both of them are OK to be inserted?
[18:30] <sinzui> Munchor, you can use only one. Lp will match the address to you if you registered the address. I commit under two address, Lp knows both so both will link to me. If I were to commit with an unknown address, Lp will just not attempt to make a link to a person
[18:31] <Munchor> sinzui, I mean, insert one at a time.
[18:31] <Munchor> Like some people use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and others use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:35] <sinzui> Munchor, bzr just takes the string from the first --author and placed it in the log
[18:36] <sinzui> Munchor, you can test this because you can `bzr  uncommit` to remove the commit if you made a mistake in the name
[18:36] <czajkowski> sinzui: ah thank you
[19:28] <Lockal> hi, why I can't still use apport after upgrading to raring? Apport window closes silently, apport-cli also exits silently
[19:39] <pipedream> If someone can look at a request for more space for a PPA: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/214298
[20:13] <superm1> is there a secondary problem going on related to bug 1071562 and moving between PPAs or packages not getting deleted?  you guys bumped up our PPA sizes after that fix, but new package uploads after the fix are still not getting removed
[20:41] <tgm4883> Can someone take a look at our PPA (mythbuntu)? We know there was an issue with stuff not being deleted from it causing it to fill up, but we're told that issue was fixed and our PPA size was increased until the fallout from that had been resolved as well. The issue is that even now, we still have old builds piling up, so I'm not sure what we originally thought was the issue actually was the issue
[20:41] <tgm4883> Just looking at this  http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/fixes-building/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythtv/
[20:41] <tgm4883> most if not all of that should be deleted, yet there is stuff in there from as recent as yesterday
[21:34] <wgrant> tgm4883, superm1: The process that removes superseded files from ppa.launchpad.net is disabled due to the cruft generated by that bug
[21:34] <wgrant> So even recent stuff is not being removed yet
[21:34] <tgm4883> wgrant, ah
[21:34] <tgm4883> wgrant, is there an eta on that? we're going to hit our new limit soon
[22:25] <mfisch> I've been unable to get to the Rhythmbox project for about 20 minutes now: https://launchpad.net/rhythmbox
[22:25] <mfisch> (Error ID: OOPS-5ce484ad7cbbc3716cb5db861ad63dd9)
[22:26] <mfisch> "RequestExpired: request expired."
[22:26] <mfisch> for what that's worth
[22:33] <mfisch> it's loading now anyway...
[22:35] <wgrant> mfisch: There's apparently a rather odd bug with our script that imports Rhythmbox releases
[22:35] <wgrant> There's 771 files for rhythmbox 0.11.3...
[22:35] <mfisch> yeah it loaded once, and now not again, I can get to  the bug list
[23:19] <czajkowski> evening
[23:27] <czajkowski> mfisch: having to reflash the neuxus :/
[23:27] <czajkowski> let someone play with it earlier and zoomed in and ther ewas no way to zoom out so every time it rebooted it had the same zommed in on board keyboard
[23:36] <mfisch> czajkowski: can you file a bug?
[23:36] <czajkowski> mfisch: oh yes indeed trust me shall be filing :) was fun
[23:36] <czajkowski> and I have it so i'm not fused if it has to be reflashed atm
[23:37] <mfisch> czajkowski: maybe you can fix this page that loads about 10% of the time for me: https://launchpad.net/rhythmbox
[23:37] <czajkowski> mfisch: I wish
[23:37] <czajkowski> we're currently working on those atm
[23:37] <czajkowski> with a bug open
[23:38] <czajkowski> mfisch: happening a lot of project pages.
[23:38] <czajkowski> hmmthe exact bug number is evading me
[23:38] <czajkowski> wgrant: know the bug by any chance
[23:38] <czajkowski> it's 23:38 here I really should go to sleep
[23:39] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1077980
[23:40] <czajkowski> I think thats the one
[23:40] <StevenK> It isn't, sadly.
[23:40] <StevenK> sinzui has a handle on what is going on, and a fix will be worked on
[23:41] <czajkowski> ah see
[23:41] <wgrant> Yeah
[23:41] <wgrant> It's unrelated to blueprints
[23:41] <StevenK> czajkowski: It's related to the fact that Rhythmbox's milestone's have 771 download files, and the page tries to load them all
[23:41] <wgrant> 771 download files *each*
[23:41] <czajkowski> :/
[23:41] <mfisch> wow
[23:41] <StevenK> Because product-release-finder has a bug
[23:44] <jonrafkind> is the ppa cleanup script going to be re-enabled soon?
[23:45] <czajkowski> jonrafkind: as soon as it is we'll update the ticket which is in the topic
[23:45] <jonrafkind> is there an eta?
[23:46] <wgrant> Once StevenK looks over my SQL to fix things up :)


[02:56] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, ping - the articles you pulled this week are great! - Thanks and the you listed them are so easy to tweak!  THANKS!!!!
[02:56] <zkriesse> hey akgraner
[02:58] <akgraner> zkriesse, hey!
[02:58] <zkriesse> akgraner: how's the household
[02:59] <zkriesse> last i knew you guys weren't doing so good
[02:59] <akgraner> oh we're doing well now :-)
[03:00] <zkriesse> Good to hear Ma'am
[03:00] <akgraner> everyone is home and doing well - I have a friend whom I haven't seen since '89 when we were stationed together at Ft. Huachuca AZ visiting this week
[03:00] <akgraner> He's helping me write some summaries :-)  it's a fun time :-)
[03:01] <zkriesse> akgraner: Stationed?
[03:01] <akgraner> we were in the Army together
[03:01] <zkriesse> You a military woman?
[03:01] <akgraner> yep
[03:01] <akgraner> Army
[03:01] <zkriesse> AWESOME!
[03:01]  * zkriesse is working toward joining
[03:01] <zkriesse> Actually I was gonna take the oath last year and then they denied me
[03:02] <akgraner> I loved it - I was only in for 4 years Pete was in for 17
[03:02] <zkriesse> Pete is who?
[03:03] <nhandler> zkriesse: Pete Graner (her husband)
[03:03] <zkriesse> Ah
[03:03] <akgraner> nhandler, thanks!
[03:03] <nhandler> akgraner: See my question about the Upcoming Meetings Section from earlier (and my PMs) ?
[03:04] <akgraner> I did thank you!
[03:05] <akgraner> and it's "Nothing listed as of publication"
[03:05] <nhandler> akgraner: Alright. I thought that was just for no agenda items.
[03:06] <akgraner> either works as long as we are consistent on all days
[03:06] <nhandler> :)
[03:07] <akgraner> I'll look the info in the PM once I get this published:-)  won't be that much longer just getting all the info in one place
[03:08] <nhandler> akgraner: Alright. No rush on that stuff. It was more FYI than needing any action
[03:10] <akgraner> Thanks!  :-)
[03:14] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: oh, i'm glad that worked better. :)  I've been dealing w/ hardware problems and feel very depleted right now.
[03:15] <akgraner> I'm sorry  - That's how I felt earlier this week
[03:15] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: yes i know you can relate.
[03:17] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: q: how are we dealing with the whole blowup about concerns whether canonical contributes enough to Gnome story?
[03:18] <akgraner> It will be included in General Community News
[03:19] <akgraner> I contacted Jono earlier to run through how I was going to post it
[03:21] <nUboon2Age> i saw a twitter item from matt assay where he pointed out the survey covered all history, not just say past year, so that Canonical could never catch up, and therefore the stat was not useful.  salient point imo.
[03:22] <nUboon2Age> http://twitter.com/mjasay/status/19827108806
[03:26] <akgraner> there are a ton of myths that got stirred up there
[03:27] <akgraner> not with Matt Asay's article as I haven't read it yet
[03:27] <akgraner> just the whole discussion all the way around
[03:27] <akgraner> :-/
[03:31] <nUboon2Age> Matt's thing (above) is just a quick twitter post.  this kind of thing seems to fit into preconceived notions re: Canonical and then people jump into their preconstructed foxholes.  But the really unfortunate thing is that the preconceived notions have grown as pervasive as they seem to have.  There are probably at least some reasons for them which it would be good for Canonical and Ubuntu to really make a large effort to
[03:31] <nUboon2Age> try to extract itself from as well as mythbust in order to regain goodwill.
[03:32] <nUboon2Age> otherwise its just seen as another arrogant corporate power, whether deservedly or not.
[03:33] <nUboon2Age> are we going to cover Mark Shuttleworth's (belated) apology for unfortunate comments last fall which came out (i think) today? or will that be held for next week?
[03:33] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: ^^^^
[03:34] <akgraner> what comments? - I haven't looked at anything from today
[03:34] <akgraner> got a link
[03:34] <nUboon2Age> i'll find one...
[03:34] <akgraner> is it on his blog
[03:34] <akgraner> 1st what comments last fall - and which apology?
[03:35] <nUboon2Age> while i'm looking here's the link that i forgot before re: System76: http://netbook-expert.com/2010/07/system76-continues-linnux-netbook-line-with-second-gen-starling/
[03:35] <akgraner> I am going to have to cut something :-)
[03:35] <akgraner> it's getting way to long :-(
[03:36] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i understand and expected that. no worries.
[03:36] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, hmmm the title has Linux spelled Linnux
[03:37] <nUboon2Age> :P   here's a reasonable coverage article of the apology: http://it.moldova.org/news/mark-shuttleworth-apologises-to-girls-211170-eng.html
[03:38] <nUboon2Age> this one is more detailed: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/mark-shuttleworth-apologises-for.html
[03:40] <akgraner> oh THOSE comments
[03:40] <akgraner> O.o
[03:40] <nUboon2Age> i read up on the whole thing.  major oops on MS's part.  too bad the apology took 11 months.
[03:40] <akgraner> Next week  it's dated today
[03:41] <nUboon2Age> okay, that's good.
[03:41] <akgraner> sigh
[03:41] <akgraner> anywho
[03:42] <nUboon2Age> okay i may be able to gather some energy and pitch in.  is there something i could help with right now?
[03:44] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, I wish  - just organize it right now but if you are around in like an hour could you proof
[03:44] <nUboon2Age> sure, i'll try to check in now and again and see if you've pinged me akgraner.
[03:48] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, thanks!!!
[03:53] <zkriesse> who needs proofing?
[03:54] <zkriesse> and of what?
[03:57] <akgraner> zkriesse, not yet but soon :-)
[03:57] <akgraner> ISsue 204
[03:57] <zkriesse> Awwww
[03:57] <akgraner> ugh the wiki is so S-L-O-W tonight
[03:58] <zkriesse> it's not for me
[03:58] <zkriesse> The wiki loves all the attention i give it though
[04:39] <akgraner> crap brb - grrrrr.......gotta luv technology
[04:50] <akgraner> hey all  in case you haven't read this - http://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/old-wounds/
[04:51] <akgraner> I just tweeted and dented and FB'd it
[04:52] <nUboon2Age> (not thinking of this for newsletter, but just interest)  Microsoft Windows BSOD Caused Deepwater Horizon Disaster(?) http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/blue-screen-of-death-and-bp/
[04:54] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, I would not include it - while it may be a valid point  - I am not inclined to include stuff like that
[04:55] <nUboon2Age> no i was just passing it along to y'all for interest not for newsletter (as i said above) :)
[04:55] <akgraner> ahhh
[04:55] <akgraner> sorry - let me go back to one thing at a time
[04:55] <akgraner> :-/
[04:56] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, I'm writing my the GCN stuff now - if you want to review what is there already on the wiki
[04:58] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: okay i'll start looking at it.  :)
[05:20] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: one question that i wasn't sure about when i was putting the articles in an am still wondering about is whether we have (or want) to have a way to indicate where quotes begin and end?
[05:21] <akgraner> nah - all content in the newsletter is posted other places
[05:22] <akgraner> we just need to make sure when possible we point out who wrote it and make sure we link back to it
[05:22] <akgraner> it make is way to hard when I am reformatting for other areas
[05:22] <akgraner> I tried using italics but then I have to remove them all
[05:22] <akgraner> I tried quotes - but you might as well put everything in quotes
[05:23] <akgraner> and sometimes we quote people quoting other people which looks really funny  - like ""this""
[05:23] <akgraner> all over the place
[05:23] <akgraner> so people who read the newletter know we are only consolidating what is out there
[05:24] <nUboon2Age> okay, good enough
[05:26] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: here's a point that's a bit awkward where we might want some editing:   (under Ubuntu Server makes gains at SUSE Linux' expense )    That said, Canonical Ltd.’...
[05:26] <nUboon2Age> but i didn't put in the preceding part
[05:27] <nUboon2Age> well i suppose when i read the sentence you put before that its not too awkward after all...
[05:27] <akgraner> I was going to fix that just haven't gotten there yet
[05:29] <nUboon2Age> i guess its just the transition from our summary sentence to the quote that feels a little odd...
[05:33] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, just drop those 1st 2 paragraph's in
[05:34] <nUboon2Age> spelling: Loco Council:  .... inforaml
[05:37] <akgraner> where are you looking
[05:37] <akgraner> Team Reports
[05:37] <akgraner> we refer to the LoCo Council as just that
[05:38] <akgraner> the "LoCo Council"
[05:48] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i think they meant 'informal' not 'inforaml', yes?
[05:48] <akgraner> oh I wasn't looking at that sorry
[05:49] <nUboon2Age> that's what i was pointing out, not Loco/LoCO (my misspelling. :) )
[05:49] <akgraner> I though you were saying LoCo Council was informal for Local Community Council
[05:49] <akgraner> DOH!
[05:50] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, typically we don't fix posts that are a direct quote but spelling errors I usually try to - btw it's fixed now
[05:51] <nUboon2Age> i dropped a paragraph into ietherpad...ideas to patch up that article (don't know if that's what you meant by drop, but the main wiki page isn't editable by me so ...
[05:52] <akgraner> b/c if we don't then - people think the news team misspelled it and not the original writer but I don't feel like adding [sip] in front of all spelling errors
[05:52] <nUboon2Age> other than that i didn't notice anything else akgraner.
[05:52] <akgraner> that's fine
[05:52] <akgraner> :-)
[05:52] <akgraner> Thank you!
[05:52] <akgraner> I'll add that to the wiki
[05:52] <akgraner> since I am in and out of it right now
[05:53] <nUboon2Age> looks good.  Very informative.  i enjoyed reading about Xubuntu and Kubuntu in particular, having used both.
[05:54] <akgraner> :-)
[05:54] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, just an FYI for ya - you'll see in the wiki marks that look like ``
[05:54] <akgraner> this to break the camelcase or Hotlinks were the works are in wiki format
[05:55] <akgraner> also b/c we are in and out of the document saving it a million times over we always use trivial change and remove trailing white space box as well
[05:56] <akgraner> other wise people like dholbach will get a million emails in his inbox every sunday
[05:59] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: where do i look to see those marks?
[06:02] <akgraner> clook at the drop down menu
[06:02] <akgraner> and click on raw data
[06:02] <akgraner> and you'll see them on the various words
[06:03] <akgraner> don't click edit right now as I am in the wiki
[06:04] <nUboon2Age> oh, okay i see them.  now it makes sense.
[06:06] <nUboon2Age> will Lubuntu start being covered when after they become official (10.10 i guess)?  i've been hearing them interviewed a lot on various podcasts.
[06:07] <akgraner> Let's talk about all that tomorrow or the next got a few more things to add - and I've forgotten about my swamp at the moment :-)
[06:10] <nUboon2Age> there was an article that brought out that point about Matt Asay's tweet which seems important to me... let me see if i can find it.  it was fairly balanced i thought...
[06:12] <nUboon2Age> Canonical's Disconnect with Linux Developer Community, http://www.itworld.com/open-source/115819/canonicals-disconnect-linux-developer-community
[06:12] <nUboon2Age> i think that would be good to add to the list of articles.
[06:14] <nUboon2Age> it actually comes down pretty much positive towards Canonical by the end (not that i think only positive things should be reported -- i don't) but i thought that one covered the whole debate pretty well and brought out some important points the other articles on the list missed.
[06:15] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: ^^^
[06:15] <akgraner> I don't want to add more to that - as Greg ended up apologizing  - but I'll look at it
[06:15] <akgraner> :-)
[06:16] <nUboon2Age> yeah, i'd put it before Greg's apology note.
[06:16] <akgraner> Normally it wouldn't matter b/c UWN would have been published hours ago - but I'm not back on my schedule yet
[06:18] <nUboon2Age> yup, and then this kurfuffle comes up to complicate things.  :/
[06:25] <akgraner> just one of those things  - :-)
[09:32] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[09:32] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue204
[09:48] <YoBoY> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue204#Ubuntu North Carolina LoCo Team << this title don't have the right level i think
[10:03] <akgraner> YoBoY, thanks it's fixed now :-)
[10:08] <akgraner> Thanks for another awesome week you all! Everything thing has been posted and we are ready for a new week in Ubuntu News - Thanks agian!
[10:08] <akgraner> Here are the links for working on next weeks issue:
[10:08] <akgraner> etherpad for adding summaries -  http://ietherpad.com/UWN
[10:08] <akgraner> etherpad for adding links and titles only - http://ietherpad.com/UWN-Ideas
[10:08] <akgraner> googledoc - https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[10:08] <akgraner> wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue205
[10:12] <YoBoY> stupid question, why the Translation Stats Lucid always show the same langages ?
[10:45] <akgraner> YoBoY, it the languages with the most activity
[10:45] <akgraner> we can't include them all - I wish we could
[10:47] <akgraner> Grr - I have to leave my house in 1.5 hours to take my daughter to band camp  - and so ends my summer :-)
[11:11] <YoBoY> i'm asking that because 2 things bother me on this "Translation Stats", first one is seeing the english in the first place, we are translating from english strings, not the opposite, second one is this freezed list who never change, not really usefull to see every week the same list.
[11:21] <akgraner> sorry about that - :-/ my computer just shut down for no reason - hmmmm
[11:21] <akgraner> YoBoY, I am open to suggestions :-)
[11:22] <YoBoY> well... i don't know how do you have this list ^^"
[11:23] <YoBoY> but my first suggestion is to delete the english entry :p
[11:31] <akgraner> YoBoY, take a look where we pull the information from -https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/ - I have to take my daughter to band camp soon - but I will be back later today - but feel free to email suggestions - I'll also talk to dpm about it and see what suggestions he has
[11:34] <YoBoY> yes i have seen this page, but this don't help me understand how the stats work ^^ i'll try to write a mail about it
[11:39] <akgraner> YoBoY, I'm sorry I don't have time to get explain it right this second :-(  when I get back home  - I'll see if you are around ok?
[11:40] <YoBoY> no problem :) we have time to talk about this