[00:02] <andylockran> yea!!
[00:19] <andylockran> night! xx
[00:23] <HazRPG> popey: :o, wow!
[00:23] <popey> ?
[00:23] <HazRPG> just seen you gmap!
[00:23] <popey> :0
[00:23] <HazRPG> That is epic :P
[00:23] <popey> fun :)
[00:23] <HazRPG> Been meaning to mess around with the gmap API's for a while, how'd ya do it?
[00:24] <popey> i didnt, its someone elses code
[00:24] <HazRPG> popey: Nice :P
[00:25]  * HazRPG tries to work out where he can build stuff...
[00:26] <HazRPG> do the islands form themselves over time?
[00:26] <HazRPG> or are they hand created (sorta speak)
[00:26] <popey> as you walk towards the end of the world it generates more world
[00:27] <HazRPG> nice
[00:27] <HazRPG> Q) How do you use the train?
[00:28]  * HazRPG thinks he's found a spot he can set up camp
[00:30] <popey> nn
[00:30] <HazRPG> ?
[00:31] <HazRPG> popey: As in you nn, or do you mean "Night Night"? lol
[05:11] <HazRPG> Woo! Haz has set up shop in popey land. :)
[05:13] <HazRPG> And I can now stay in my hut and do things instead of logging out when it gets dark xD
[05:14] <Paladine> ?
[05:14] <HazRPG> Oh, minecraft lol.
[05:14] <Paladine> hehe
[05:15] <HazRPG> do you play it?
[05:15] <Paladine> play? haha i wish I had time to play
[05:16] <Paladine> i wouldn't still be up at 5am working if I had time to play :)
[05:17] <HazRPG> heh, makes sense I guess
[05:18] <Paladine> tonight I have ben mostly spending money i can't afford to spend hehe
[05:18] <HazRPG> what is it you do?
[05:18] <HazRPG> heh, I've been playing minecraft, when I should be working on a website :P
[05:18] <Paladine> I am a privacy lobbyist/advocate/consultant/public speaker
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> morning everyone
[05:18] <HazRPG> ah
[05:18] <Paladine> and just paid out the first installment for my masters :/
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> you're up early/late ;)
[05:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :) \o hola
[05:18] <HazRPG> Paladine: nice
[05:19] <HazRPG> oh... not so nice
[05:19] <HazRPG> (I was saying nice to the job title)
[05:19] <Paladine> keeps me very busy
[05:21] <HazRPG> I can imagine
[05:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: argh... how do I find more clay >_<
[05:21] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: No idea.. next to the river?
[05:21] <Paladine> oo I forgot I had a beer next to me :)
[05:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: one would assume so right :/
[05:23] <HazRPG> but I can't find any
[05:23] <HazRPG> Paladine: winner :)
[05:24] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: have you tried the minecraft wiki for hints?
[05:24] <Paladine> yeah cept I should maybe be concerned that I am drinking beer at 5:30am lol
[05:24] <Paladine> although I opened it like 1:30am
[05:25] <HazRPG> have several tabs open about various things xD
[05:25] <Paladine> so i guess it is ok
[05:30] <HazRPG> exactly :P
[05:30] <shauno> wow.  that game's a bit of a timesink.  just looked up to see if it's midnight yet.  err..
[05:30] <HazRPG> yeah its pitch black at the moment in popey's server
[05:31] <HazRPG> I'm hiding in my hut so that I don't get killed
[05:32] <shauno> I tried that, but the green dudes got me anyway.  so I've just wasted the last "couple of" hours on an all-out war against creepers :/
[05:33] <HazRPG> wait, you in popey's server now too?
[05:33] <shauno> nah, just single-player
[05:33] <MartijnVdS> aka "playing with youtself"
[05:33] <MartijnVdS> *r
[05:33] <HazRPG> ;p
[05:34] <shauno> heh
[05:37] <shauno> chasing creepers is quite fun tho.  they drop gunpowder, which turns out to be quiet useful for accidentally destroying hours of work
[05:39] <HazRPG> damn... zombies blew off some of my house somehow!
[05:39] <shauno> that's the ones
[05:39] <HazRPG> now I really need some clay >_<
[05:40] <shauno> the green ones that look like worms with feet.  they hide, survive sunlight, and like to sneak up on you and explode.
[05:40] <HazRPG> so I can build my house out of brick - and not wood
[05:40] <HazRPG> some of it is brick so far... just need more clay
[05:40] <HazRPG> shauno: heh, yeah I noticed
[05:40]  * ball is confused.
[05:41] <MartijnVdS> ball: why? :)
[05:43] <ball> MartijnVdS: I think it has become my natural state of being.
[05:43] <MartijnVdS> ball: Land of Opportunity getting to you? :)
[05:44] <ball> Heh. ...land of Snowpertunity.
[05:44] <ball> I spent most of this morning digging the cars out.
[05:46] <ball> ...and the footpath.  Need to widen the entrance to the driveway too.
[05:46] <ball> I'll work on that in the morning, perhaps.
[05:46] <Paladine> you moved to US ball?
[05:47]  * ball nods
[05:47] <ball> It seemed like a good idea at the time.
[05:47] <Paladine> what on earth possessed you to do that?
[05:47] <Paladine> where abouts are you?
[05:48] <Paladine> where abouts are you ball?
[05:49] <ball_> Illinois.
[05:49] <MartijnVdS> ball: run more CPU-intensive tasks
[05:49] <Paladine> oh well it could be worse, you could be working for google ;)
[05:50] <MartijnVdS> ball: melt yourself out :)
[05:50] <HazRPG> ^^,
[05:50] <HazRPG> Paladine: What would be wrong with working for google? Good pay from what I hear, and awesome benefits.
[05:51] <Paladine> haha
[05:51] <Paladine> if you knew me you would understand why i found that funny :)
[05:51] <HazRPG> fair enough :P
[05:51] <MartijnVdS> Paladine: you applied and they didn't hire you?
[05:51] <HazRPG> shauno: there's not enough "day time" in this game :/
[05:51] <Paladine> no, I don't apply for jobs, I turned them down
[05:52] <Paladine> 2x
[05:52] <HazRPG> seriously? You turned down a job a google?
[05:52] <Paladine> yes, 2
[05:52] <HazRPG> Surely if they wanted you, then they clearly thought you were bright enough to be there - they only hire the smartest of the crop.
[05:53] <Paladine> but I didn't want to work for them
[05:53] <HazRPG> why not, if you don't mind me asking?
[05:54] <Paladine> I have filed multiple legal complaints against Google, for me to take a job off them would be rank hypocrisy
[05:54] <HazRPG> ah
[05:54] <Paladine> I work in privacy - Goole + Privacy don't mix lol
[05:54] <Paladine> Google
[05:55] <HazRPG> true
[05:55] <HazRPG> I should probably put torches around my house :/
[05:55] <Paladine> I have friends who work for them though
[05:56] <Paladine> and i meet Google peeps frequently
[05:56] <Paladine> in fact we did a google tech talk in mountain view just a couple of months ago
[05:56] <Paladine> although it was my directors not me
[05:56] <HazRPG> random
[05:57] <shauno> HazRPG: I went a little overboard, but I solved my creeper problem :)  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/2011-02-03_05.51.03.png
[05:57] <Paladine> tech talks are like Google internal mini conferences for staff
[05:57] <HazRPG> shauno: haha nice :P
[05:58] <ball> Sorry about that. I fell off the Internet.
[05:58] <Paladine> actually just last week i was in brussels speaking at a conference and Google's new policy person in Brussels gave me her card - i was like "Don't tell anyone you gave me this, you will get fired..." lol
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> ball: time to dig out the telephone wires
[05:59] <ball> MartijnVdS: Not much point, I'm having the service disconnected tonight
[05:59] <Paladine> so ball what you doing out there in illinois then?
[06:00] <ball> Hmm, -13C now, -23C forecast low for tonight
[06:00] <ball> Paladine: I live here.
[06:00] <MartijnVdS> they have C over there?
[06:00] <Paladine> yeah but what work you doing there?
[06:00] <ball> MartijnVdS: Not by default, but if you work in science or do anything global...
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> ball: .. or are sane ;)
[06:01] <ball> Paladine: Nothing interesting, sadly.
[06:01] <ball> MartijnVdS: Exactly ;-)
[06:01] <ball> http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Bradley&state=IL&site=LOT&lat=41.1472&lon=-87.8557&unit=1
[06:01] <MartijnVdS> ball: last time I was in the US I was surprised at the number of things that have liters on them
[06:01] <Paladine> I was supposed to be in Cali on 12-15th of this month, but we cancelled
[06:03] <MartijnVdS> Paladine: you didn't want to be frisked by US security?
[06:04] <Paladine> no the conference were being cheap about travel/hotel
[06:04] <Paladine> they wanted one of our directors but too busy so i was gonna go instead
[06:05] <Paladine> still, kinda glad, i have too many trips coming up as it is without flying out to cali and back
[06:05] <Paladine> still recovering from Brazil in december
[06:06] <Paladine> 5 trips coming up between now and mid march
[06:09] <HazRPG> shauno: I wish that stupid spider would leave the entrance to my house :/
[06:09] <HazRPG> managed to put some torches outside of it though - so its not that bad, just a pain cos they stand next to the trees nearby when it gets light
[06:10] <shauno> spiders are docile in sunlight
[06:11] <HazRPG> how'd ya mean?
[06:11] <shauno> they don't attack during the day (unless you attack first).  it's just at night that they get the munchies
[06:12] <HazRPG> oh, that'll make so much more sense xD
[06:15] <HazRPG> make it light again :/
[06:16] <HazRPG> shauno: do you use glass at all in your buildings? Or do you find them being randomly destroyed?
[06:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2011 Announced! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/03/community-leadership-summit-2011-announced/
[06:21] <shauno> I use a lot of glass.  it's pretty fragile, so don't use it anywhere you expect the green dudes to explode
[06:21] <shauno> but I've been digging a large mining shaft straight down, so a glass roof makes lighting it much easier  (during the day ..)
[06:24] <shauno> (altho since I discovered TNT, the 'shaft' is more of chasm :D)
[06:30] <HazRPG> haha
[06:31] <HazRPG> hmm, any idea how far down you can dig, before you hit water?
[06:37] <shauno> I didn't hit water :)  there is unbreakable rock a good ways down tho
[06:42] <HazRPG> argh!
[06:42] <HazRPG> damn exploding green zombie things!
[06:48] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> morning AlanBell
[06:51] <AlanBell> o/ Paladine
[06:51] <Paladine> yo
[06:52] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Mornin \o
[06:53] <Paladine> hows things AlanBell ?
[06:54] <AlanBell> not bad, customer meeting this morning then back to the cloud expo at the barbican
[06:54] <AlanBell> then on to a swanky reception at the design museum
[06:55] <AlanBell> how are things in the privacy world?
[06:55] <Paladine> there was a good panel on the cloud at CPDP conf in brussels last week
[06:56] <Paladine> keeping me busy as usual :)
[07:00] <Paladine> AlanBell,  just launched our new site on thursday so have new blog :) https://www.privacyinternational.org/blogs/alex
[07:22] <screen-x> morning :)
[07:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o/
[07:23] <screen-x> That's one way to start the day TheOpenSourcerer :)
[07:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Been up for 1 1/2hrs already - just about to go and: Get cash, smokes, then some rather tortuous train and tram journeys organised and car parked.
[07:24] <screen-x> where are you off to?
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mitcham, the central london.
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> And I need a poo.
[07:25] <screen-x> heh
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> ttfn.
[07:31] <livingdaylight> morning
[07:31] <screen-x> \o livingdaylight
[07:35] <daubers> ~Morning
[07:35] <screen-x> user not found
[07:35] <daubers> :(
[07:36] <screen-x> its ok, daubers, you do exist really.
[07:37] <daubers> Hooray!
[07:38] <daubers> Need to go to the office and examine a new chassis, see if it'll do for a new product, then head to the open source expo
[07:38] <screen-x> How was your trip to the BBC?
[07:38] <daubers> Very productive
[07:38] <screen-x> Good good, got a potential contract with them?
[07:38] <daubers> Got a very busy month now building them what they want
[07:38] <screen-x> :)
[07:39] <daubers> So looking forward to a weekend away before things get beyond manic
[07:41] <screen-x> Cool, hopefully we'll see you on Sunday :)
[07:42] <daubers> \o/
[07:51] <HazRPG> ...minecraft is a bad game (addictive-wise) T_T, think its bed time now... morning/nite all
[07:51]  * HazRPG waves
[07:51] <screen-x> wow, if you haven't been to bed yet, its definitely bed time!
[07:51]  * screen-x is on tomorrow
[07:54] <livingdaylight> guys: sorry to ask a technical question so early in the morning: I have this recurring/persistent/annoying issue with Ubuntu on shutdown/reboot.
[07:54] <livingdaylight> everytime I go to reboot or shutdown I get a dialog informing that a Program is still running... I can't identify the program?  I get it even if I've just had a clean reboot and not used any applications yet
[07:54] <livingdaylight> It says: A program is still running: Unknown Not responding - Waiting for the program to finish. Interrupting the program may cause you to lose work.
[07:55] <livingdaylight> Here is output to ps auxww : http://pastebin.com/fK7zmt5c
[07:55] <screen-x> livingdaylight: gord suggested that is to do with compiz
[07:55] <livingdaylight> I've got htop running but don't know how to identify the culprit
[07:56] <livingdaylight> screen-x, yes, I remember. I re-installed all compiz in synaptic, but problem persists
[07:56] <livingdaylight> what is the fix?
[07:56] <screen-x> (2011-02-03 07:54:47) livingdaylight: It says: A program is still running: Unknown Not responding - Waiting for the program to finish. Interrupting the program may cause you to lose work.  <-- is that the exact text of the error message?
[07:57] <livingdaylight> yes
[07:59] <livingdaylight> screen-x, http://img193.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1sz.png/ my desktop with said error dialog
[08:00] <livingdaylight> thank you
[08:00] <screen-x> bug 455238
[08:03] <livingdaylight> screen-x, thank you
[08:03]  * livingdaylight goes to uninstall tangerine
[08:05] <livingdaylight> it still does it!
[08:06] <screen-x> I couldn't find a bug related to compiz and logout, but there must be one..
[08:06] <screen-x> poke around launchpad..
[08:07] <livingdaylight> having removed tangerine, would I need to reboot for changes to take full effect?
[08:07] <livingdaylight> (maybe/hopefully)
[08:07] <screen-x> livingdaylight: you may need to kill it.
[08:07] <screen-x> uninstalling a package doesn't necessarily kill it's processes.
[08:07] <livingdaylight> i'd happily murder it; how?
[08:08] <screen-x> "pkill tangerine" should do it
[08:08] <screen-x> or pkill -9 tangerine if that doesn't work.
[08:08] <screen-x> haha
[08:09]  * screen-x wonders what he killed
[08:09] <screen-x> (she/it)
[08:15] <livingdaylight> screen-x, thank you... All is well again :)
[08:15] <screen-x> livingdaylight: great :) what was the issue in the end?
[08:16] <livingdaylight> tangerine... and it's processes just needed killing off after the removal
[08:17] <livingdaylight> Anyone use AdobeAir? every other day it pops up with an update - amazing
[08:18] <screen-x> livingdaylight: maybe you should comment on that bug incase it isn't obvious to other people.
[08:19] <livingdaylight> that a further killing off of tangerine processes is required after removal?
[08:19] <screen-x> yep
[08:19] <livingdaylight> ok
[08:22] <czajkowski> morning all
[08:22] <livingdaylight> done
[08:23] <livingdaylight> czajkowski, haro!
[08:23] <screen-x> morning czajkowski :)
[08:42] <DJones> Morning all
[08:53] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:59] <livingdaylight> hello DJones  | MooDoo
[09:04] <screen-x> is MooDoo a filter?
[09:04] <DJones> Hang on, Have I been piped into MooDoo ?
[09:04]  * screen-x decides not to ask what DJones stdout is..
[09:05]  * MooDoo shudders
[09:06]  * DJones judders
[09:10] <kazade> morning
[09:10] <kazade> popey, I assume the new MC tower is your handywork? :)
[09:11] <drt494245> Hello, my friend and i want to play chess over the internet, is there any software available?
[09:12] <MooDoo> drt494245: freechess.org?
[09:13] <screen-x> drt494245: you could play irc chess :) http://irc-chess.sourceforge.net/
[09:17] <drt494245> ok
[09:21] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:21] <MooDoo> wintellect: morning
[09:35] <JamesTait> Gooooooooooooood morning #ubuntu-uk!
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I'm more worried about his stderr
[09:36] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: haha
[09:36] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Its not showing is it
[09:37] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: but its ok because stderr wasn't redirected.
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: 2>&1
[09:40]  * dwatkins is really beginning to dislike Samba and LDAP
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: 't is the path to enlightenment
[09:41] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I wish it were, it's just making my blood boil at the moment, and all I'm trying to do is join a domain :'(
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: net join foo?
[09:42] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: yeah, tried that, no joy
[09:42] <dwatkins> The error implies there's a duplicate name on the network, but there ain't.
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: maybe it thinks some machine with your machine's name is already in the domain
[10:00] <dwatkins> yeah, I'm changing the name and trying again, MartijnVdS
[10:00] <screen-x> \o/ deed-poll to fix samba problem
[10:00]  * dwatkins grins
[10:01] <popey> kazade: me and bigcalm
[10:01] <dwatkins> I just wish Samba was as easy to use as any old winders machine, and yes I know what I'm saying.... ;)
[10:01] <popey> kazade: I went to the top of yours and put some stuff there to make a glass walkway
[10:01] <kazade> glass...
[10:01] <kazade> oops
[10:01] <kazade> I started on a wood one!
[10:01] <kazade> :(
[10:02] <kazade> hmm, I'll put glass either side of the wood, we can always replace it later :)
[10:02] <popey> nvm :)
[10:02] <kazade> it's hard building outwards
[10:02] <kazade> I've died so many times falling off
[10:02] <popey> hold shift when you walk, you wont fall off
[10:02] <kazade> oh!
[10:02] <kazade> do you know where I can find some lava?
[10:04] <screen-x> What are the grey columns in the forests?
[10:05] <screen-x> oh, I think they're just a different type of tree.
[10:06] <gord> i think at this point we need to rename the channel to #minecraft-uk
[10:06] <dwatkins> I was just thinking the same, gord ;)
[10:07] <popey> kazade: there's a hot tap
[10:07] <popey> there is #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :)
[10:08] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[10:08] <popey> pip pip
[10:08] <screen-x> hooray!
[10:08] <nigelb> pip: error: No command by the name pip pip
[10:08] <nigelb> ;)
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: CP/M
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_Interchange_Program
[10:09] <screen-x> The program 'pip' can be found in the following packages:  * pip * python-pip
[10:10] <kazade> popey, you can't harvest running lava
[10:10] <kazade> I tried :(
[10:11] <dwatkins> Sounds painful.
[10:11] <kazade> hmm, looking at the map there is some above ground in the snow area
[10:11] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: Ah.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> reminds me
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> I need to poke my dad to set up his old CP/M machine :)
[10:12] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: that won't run minecraft ;-)
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertec_Superbrain
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: but it IS cool
[10:12] <nigelb> I agree with the cool bit
[10:13] <screen-x> its a dual-core iMac :)
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: from 1979
[10:16] <popey> kazade: oh yeah
[10:18] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:19] <nigelb> hello s-fox
[10:19] <nigelb> You've shortened your nick name
[10:19] <s-fox> Hello nigelb
[10:19] <s-fox> It is for consistency
[10:23] <nigelb> I belive folks will find this entertaining. http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/02/03/bnp-relocates-to-india-in-bid-to-cut-costs/
[10:26] <MooDoo> nigelb: i almost believed it then :)
[10:26] <nigelb> MooDoo: hehe
[10:29] <MooDoo> nigelb: and it wasn't the site that made me curious it was the photo, it looked photoshopped :)
[10:29] <DJones> Thats quite entertaining
[10:31] <Mez> What a horrid thought.  I've now been at my job for two years
[10:32] <MooDoo> Mez: ?
[10:32] <dwatkins> Mez: I was in my last job for 9 years.
[10:32] <Mez> I'm not too sure what you're asking there.
[10:33] <MooDoo> sorry might have come in halfway through a conversation :)
[10:33] <Mez> dwatkins: It's more of a point of today is my anniversary here..
[10:33] <MooDoo> Mez: congrats :)
[10:33] <dwatkins> gz, Mez :)
[10:33] <MooDoo> Mez: oct 1st is my 5 year one :)
[10:34]  * Mez reflects back over what he's done in the 2 years he's been here.
[10:34]  * DJones has been in his job for 2 months
[10:35]  * MooDoo wants a new one :)
[11:01] <screen-x> \o/ xdg-open
[11:02]  * screen-x should have know about that before..
[11:02] <kazade> MC is very buggy :/
[11:03] <kazade> half of my bridge has "vanished" so I threw some stone onto where it should be, now I'm watching that stone repeatedly fall, then reappear in front of me, then fall... etc.
[11:03] <Laney> yeah that happens :(
[11:03] <Laney> usually fixed by disconnecting and reconnecting
[11:03] <popey> exit, reconnect
[11:03] <kazade> yeah, that worked
[11:04] <popey> you get gaping holes in the map
[11:04] <kazade> I've also noticed that sometimes an entire side of that tower disappears
[11:04] <popey> yeah, you're on a border between chunks
[11:04] <popey> how do you start the client?
[11:04] <popey> and how much ram do you have? :)
[11:04] <rickogden> hi all, I'm getting a weird problem
[11:04] <kazade> double-click the jar and um, probs about 2G
[11:04] <popey> heh
[11:05] <gord> its a long standing multiplayer bug now
[11:05] <popey> java -jar -Xmx2048M -Xms2048M -jar foo.jar
[11:05] <rickogden> I have a file, I ls it and it's there (complete with execute permissions), I try to execute it and get the error "no such file or directory". Has anyone come across this? I think the filesystem is broken
[11:05] <gord> its kind of annoying but nothing you can do apart from restart
[11:06] <popey> kazade: be nice to have a train track between towers :)
[11:06] <popey> a monorail! :D
[11:06] <screen-x> rickogden:  ./ ?
[11:06] <popey> (in the sky)
[11:06] <rickogden> screen-x: yes
[11:06] <gord> rickogden, are you sure the file isn't a script attempting to execute another file that it can't find?
[11:06] <kazade> good idea ;)
[11:06] <rickogden> it's a compiled executable
[11:06] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/current_day.png ooo i see it
[11:06] <screen-x> rickogden: ldd ?
[11:06] <popey> kazade: hope ours is a similar level
[11:07] <kazade> popey, yeah, me too!
[11:07] <rickogden> screen-x: what do you mean?
[11:07] <popey> kazade: i counted yours as about 60 blocks high, by counting the windows
[11:07] <MooDoo> hehe yes that's cool
[11:07] <kazade> that map is old popey
[11:07] <kazade> the bridge is now nearer your tower than mine ;)
[11:07] <Laney> that is one long bridge
[11:07] <kazade> infact, I can't see my tower, but I can see yours
[11:07] <popey> heh
[11:07] <gord> (maybe we shouldn't let minecraft talk get in the way of support) =\
[11:07] <popey> sorry
[11:07] <kazade> #mc-ubuntu-uk ?
[11:07] <screen-x> rickogden: run ldd executable to see if all required libs are there
[11:07] <kazade> :)
[11:07] <rickogden> ok will do
[11:07] <popey> kazade: #ubuntu-uk-minecraft exists
[11:09] <rickogden> screen-x: comes up with "not a dynamic executable"
[11:09] <screen-x> so it doesn't need any external libs
[11:09] <rickogden> nope
[11:09] <screen-x> could use strace to see what its trying to open.
[11:09] <rickogden> it runs on another very similar machine absolutely fine
[11:10] <screen-x> Is there to extract all images from a PDF?
[11:10] <gord> rickogden, its not adobe air is it? i remember that happening to me with adobe air, never fixed it though
[11:10] <screen-x> ^a way
[11:10] <rickogden> nope
[11:10] <rickogden> it's a small c application
[11:10] <rickogden> that runs fine on one machine
[11:11] <rickogden> but on the other it doesn't throw an error it claims it doesn't exist when it's executed
[11:11] <rickogden> (but it does exist in the filesystem)
[11:12] <gord> rickogden, can you run "file <filename>"
[11:12] <rickogden> "launcher: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped"
[11:12] <gord> screen-x, there are bunch of cli tools called pdf2<thing> in the repo's they can convert, not sure about extract though
[11:12] <rickogden> admittedly it's a 64 bit system, but it runs on the other 64 system fine
[11:13] <screen-x> dynamically linked ??
[11:13] <screen-x> weird that file should disagree with ldd
[11:14] <gord> rickogden, lets make sure you have the 32bit deps installed, to run 32bit applications apt-get install libc6-i386 lib32gcc1 lib32z1 lib32stdc++6 ia32-libs
[11:15] <rickogden> gord: looks like I don't, installing now
[11:15] <rickogden> ahah! But the other system does!
[11:16] <rickogden> gord: I think that's done it, thanks!
[11:16] <screen-x> :)
[11:17] <rickogden> thanks gord and screen-x :)
[11:17] <gord> :)
[11:18] <popey> yay
[11:18] <popey> back to minecraft ;)
[11:19] <screen-x> yay xpdf-utils includes pdfimages, which claimes to be able to extract images from pdfs :)
[11:21] <rickogden> I have to say though, what a weird error message
[11:21] <screen-x> yeah. Do find and ldd agree about dynamicness now?
[11:22] <rickogden> linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf7795000)        libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7617000)      /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7796000)
[11:23] <screen-x> Good.. so just have to try and rember that when find and ldd disagree it may be a 32/64bit issue.
[11:24] <rickogden> yeah will do
[11:24] <rickogden> I still say it's an unhelpful error message (and completely misleading)
[11:24] <rickogden> I honestly thought it was a corrupt filesystem
[11:25] <screen-x> pdfimages works brilliantly :)
[11:28] <dr5t4924> Hi, can someone help me find a command line to play songs in a directory (and subdirs) randomly with mplayer
[11:28] <dr5t4924> I tried mplayer -shuffle $(find .)  , but then mplayer intereprets every word as a song, not line
[11:29] <screen-x> dr5t4924: find . -print0 possibly?
[11:30] <czajkowski> popey: I think you've a new addiction problem
[11:30] <MooDoo> czajkowski: +1
[11:30] <MooDoo> :)
[11:30] <screen-x> czajkowski: what was the previous one?
[11:30] <czajkowski> have you seen his coffee runs twitpics :)
[11:30] <screen-x> ah yes
[11:30] <czajkowski> all that coffee he says it s for co workers I don't beleive it
[11:30] <screen-x> haha
[11:31] <MooDoo> hi i'm moodoo and i'm addicted to coffee and minecraft :)
[11:31] <screen-x> #ubuntu-uk-minecraft-addicts-anonymous
[11:32] <MooDoo> screen-x: damn you......:) i had to go look :)
[11:32] <czajkowski> oh a MooDoo
[11:32] <screen-x> MooDoo: haha, maybe you should start it ;-)
[11:32] <MooDoo> czajkowski: bonjour my sweet :) beat a davmor2 yet?
[11:33] <MooDoo> screen-x: go look :)
[11:33] <MooDoo> lol
[11:33] <czajkowski> nope not left Aldershot yet
[11:33] <czajkowski> gonna head up about lunch time
[11:33] <dr5t4924> screen-x: nein, but i got it now thnx
[11:33] <MooDoo> czajkowski: give him a punch for me will ya :)
[11:33] <czajkowski> eh no
[11:33] <screen-x> dr5t4924: what was the solution? I'm always getting stuck with quoting issues..
[11:33] <czajkowski> less of the violence please
[11:34] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i did only mean a playful hello how are you type.....ok ok a hug then
[11:34] <screen-x> MooDoo: if that's how you great friends...
[11:34] <screen-x> *greet
[11:34] <dr5t4924> screen-x: i got two in #mplayer
[11:34] <MooDoo> screen-x: i don't have friends
[11:35] <dr5t4924> screen-x: zsh -c 'mplayer -shuffle ./**/*'
[11:36] <dr5t4924> screen-x: and find . > playerlist.list ; mplayer -playlist playerlist.list
[11:39] <screen-x> dr5t4924: I forget that ** exists. It works in bash after shopt -s globstar
[11:45] <dr5t4924> screen-x: thnx, and how do i turn off globstar btw?
[11:46] <screen-x> dr5t4924: -u for "unset"
[12:02] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/615/detail/  oh we now have more people signed up but also avatars beside names
[12:09] <s-fox> Ohh, pub and rugby =)
[12:09] <terran> czajkowski: will I wear an Irish jersey or would I be attacked for doing so?
[12:11]  * s-fox might be able to make it, though I am not English or Irish :)
[12:11] <jpds> London is nowhere near Rugby.
[12:12] <czajkowski> terran: not at all
[12:13]  * MooDoo might just wear his harlequins jersey :)
[12:13] <terran> czajkowski: but what about when we win?
[12:13] <terran> Can't trust these Ubuntu folk :p
[12:14] <danfish> a hoy hoy!
[12:14] <MooDoo> terran: i abuse czajkowski on a daily basis regarding ireland getting trounced, although i do seem to recall promising to buy her a drink if we loose....
[12:14] <terran> when
[12:14] <terran> when you lose
[12:15] <MooDoo> terran: ahem ;)
[12:15] <MooDoo> is this two beers i'm going to have to buy ;)
[12:15] <czajkowski> MooDoo: I'm trying to bring some Irish friends along
[12:15] <terran> I might do the same
[12:15] <czajkowski> I suggest you behave now or it'll get expensive for you
[12:15] <MooDoo> czajkowski: awesome :)
[12:15] <czajkowski> Sorcha and davisc are coming along
[12:16] <terran> I haven't seen Sorcha since FOSDEM two years ago
[12:17] <czajkowski> shes started her phd
[12:19] <terran> oooh
[12:19] <terran> fancy
[12:20] <s-fox> £17.00 for train tickets =)
[12:20] <MooDoo> hmm i better sort out train
[12:21] <czajkowski> terran: aye electronics
[12:21] <czajkowski> she needs to have a live demo read for LA  in August
[12:21] <terran> czajkowski: where is she doing it?
[12:21] <czajkowski> LIT
[12:21] <s-fox> Mind you, that is one way... /me checks return
[12:24] <s-fox> £37.00 for the round trip.  Blah
[12:25] <MooDoo> s-fox: 52 for me
[12:25] <MooDoo> :(
[12:26] <terran> round trip to London?
[12:26] <s-fox> To that I add approx £40.00 in taxi...
[12:26] <MooDoo> yes
[12:27] <terran> A whole £15 for me including unlimited underground zones 1-6 travel
[12:27] <MooDoo> terran: i'm in nottingham
[12:27] <MooDoo> train then tube....
[12:27] <terran> freaking love Nottingham
[12:28] <terran> Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem is one of my favourite bars of all time
[12:28] <MooDoo> yay ubuntu-uk field trip to nottingham :)
[12:28] <MooDoo> terran: next time your up, give us a bell :)  trip and salutation and a few beers :)
[12:29] <terran> last time I was there I went to Trip followed by Reflex
[12:29] <terran> the 80s club
[12:29] <terran> :D
[12:29] <s-fox> terran, Oh Nottingham isn't so far from here. Maybe 35 miles
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/nottinghamscience :)
[12:30]  * diplo likes Nottingham bars and ladies as well
[12:30] <MooDoo> s-fox: where are you?
[12:30] <diplo> Ye olde was the first place i visited
[12:30] <MooDoo> i'm sensing a ubuntu night in nottingham is coming up :)
[12:31] <terran> Can we start the night in Bugman's Bar?
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> diplo: because it's down the road from the train station? :)
[12:32] <MooDoo> lol
[12:32] <MooDoo> i work about 10 mins from the train station and about 5 from the trip :D
[12:33] <diplo> heh and my hotel
[12:33] <terran> I got a delicious burger and a really good pint of Guinness in Bugmans Bar
[12:33] <diplo> Well I'm up for it next time I visit Headoffice
[12:33] <terran> plus how often do you get to drink in a place with an Orc head mounted on the wall
[12:34] <MooDoo> lol haven't been to games workshop in ages :D
[12:34]  * MartijnVdS works about 30 minutes from East Midlands airport (= 30min from Amsterdam airport ;)
[12:35]  * MooDoo lives 10 miles from notts and just down the road from the castle :)
[12:35] <MooDoo> nottingham has a great beer festival in oct....you'll all have to come to that :D
[12:36] <MooDoo> http://www.nottinghamcamra.org/
[12:36] <MooDoo> :D
[12:36] <s-fox> MooDoo,  I am currently living halfway between leicester and coventry
[12:36] <MooDoo> s-fox: ah not that far then
[12:40] <gord> sometimes, just sometimes. i middle click the "new tab" button in firefox. never feel clever doing that
[12:52] <shauno> wow.  trees are a lot more flammable than I expected.
[12:52] <popey> heh
[12:52]  * popey invites shauno to #ubuntu-uk-minecraft
[12:54] <directhex> are mines more craftable than you expected?
[13:02] <Daviey> popey, is minecraft good then?
[13:03] <popey> oh hai Daviey :)
[13:03] <popey> yes
[13:03] <directhex> just don't confuse it for a game
[13:03] <Daviey> it's like crack is it?
[13:03] <popey> a tiny bit
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> Minecrack
[13:03] <Daviey> hmm
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> \o Daviey btw
[13:03] <Daviey> popey, Have you lost your job over it yet?
[13:03] <directhex> it's more like farmville than simcity, tbh
[13:03] <Daviey> MartijnVdS, o/
[13:04] <popey> heh, no
[13:04]  * Daviey ponders if it's worth €14.95...
[13:05] <popey> whatever it is, it's fun, IMO
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: does it work on intel gfx?
[13:05] <popey> no idea
[13:05] <Daviey> it's java isn't it... write once, run anywhere! :)
[13:05] <popey> write once, debug everywhere
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> Daviey: sure it'll run.. but will it be 3D-accelerated :)
[13:06] <Daviey> MartijnVdS, oh - 3D is overated.
[13:06] <popey> tempted to buy a second copy for the kids
[13:06] <popey> well, two more copies
[13:07] <directhex> write once, don't run on dual-monitor setup due to lwjgl bugs
[13:08] <Daviey> WOW... have you seen how much money he's made from it?
[13:08] <popey> i would imagine some millions
[13:08] <popey> given how many people have bought it
[13:09] <directhex> profit = income - costs
[13:09] <Daviey> 15 million pounds based on some back of cig packet calcs
[13:09] <Daviey> and #10K per day
[13:09] <popey> it was cheaper
[13:09] <Daviey> and ##0K per day
[13:09] <popey> its not always been 15EUR
[13:09] <Daviey> keyboard fail.
[13:09] <Daviey> ah
[13:10] <Daviey> still.. he's making a good daily bread.
[13:10] <directhex> plus, the profits from the game also need to fund development of the next game
[13:10] <popey> or not
[13:11] <popey> quit whilst ahead :)
[13:11] <popey> although he has said they're working on another game
[13:11]  * Daviey wishes he earned  10K per day.
[13:11] <popey> i have already bought two copies
[13:11] <popey> i gave one to a nephew
[13:11] <Daviey> popey, fancy buying one for me? :)
[13:12] <directhex> minecraft is an unusually successful game, but it's not all veyrons for notch
[13:12] <directhex> the industry isn't that simple
[13:13] <Daviey> popey, check out http://www.minecraft.net/buy_gift_codes.jsp :)
[13:14] <AlanBell> o/ Daviey
[13:16] <Daviey> hello AlanBell !
[13:18] <AlanBell> we got the CDs sorted in the end, I went to Millbank and grovelled
[13:18] <AlanBell> and the show is pretty dead so we haven't used many
[13:18] <czajkowski> heh
[13:19] <czajkowski> heard it's pretty bad there
[13:19] <AlanBell> one of the bits of swag we have is the official ubuntu book
[13:19] <AlanBell> we were thinking of using this and maybe some other stuff as a prize in an Ubuntu-UK quiz night
[13:19] <AlanBell> there is a channel with a quiz bot in isn't there?
[13:20] <AlanBell> obviously the winner probably doesn't need the book, so it should go to the most ignorant player :)
[13:20] <dwatkins> There's probably lots of them, AlanBell. I know of one retro-gaming channel where a bot asks questions all day long.
[13:20] <AlanBell> I think there is a #ubuntu- one
[13:21] <Daviey> AlanBell, there is
[13:21] <Daviey> good to hear it's ok
[13:21] <MonsterKiller> to start something in a screen you do like: screen <screen name> <command you want to run in screen> ?
[13:21] <Daviey> sad to hear it's quiet
[13:21] <Daviey> i feared it might be after last time.
[13:21] <AlanBell> yeah
[13:22] <AlanBell> more cloud stuff than before
[13:22] <Daviey> AlanBell, Did you look for the hype 2.0 complaint stickers?
[13:23] <AlanBell> who has them?
[13:23] <Daviey> Most companies i thought.....
[13:23] <DJones> MonsterKiller: I just do "screen" in a terminal, press space when prompted, then whatever the command I need to run is
[13:24] <Daviey> In cloud news, i assume you heard that Dell are now shipping UEC?
[13:25] <AlanBell> yes, we saw the press release
[13:28] <AlanBell> popey: czajkowski: will we see you later?
[13:30] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I'm hopint to head to the font thingy
[13:30] <czajkowski> once I figure out where it is
[13:30] <czajkowski> :)
[13:30] <AlanBell> London Bridge tube
[13:31] <AlanBell> waterloo then Jubilee line
[13:33] <czajkowski> did you find your phone
[13:35] <AlanBell> no
[13:36] <czajkowski> :(
[13:43] <AlanBell> they are sending me a new sim and I will find an old handset to use
[13:43] <AlanBell> until June when I get an upgrade
[13:43] <AlanBell> but TheOpenSourcerer tells me company policy means I can't get an iPhone 5
[13:44] <danfish> your conscience means you can't get an iphone 5 ;)
[13:44]  * MartijnVdS watched the Honeycomb event yesterday
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> I want that tablet now
[13:45] <dutchie> market.android.com is scary
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: it's cool
[13:46] <dutchie> it is cool
[13:46]  * MartijnVdS tried it earlier
[13:46] <dutchie> but the lack of requirement to activate and the speed at which downloads start is just terrifying
[13:46] <dutchie> well, until you think about it
[13:46] <popey> AlanBell: you "lost" your streak?
[13:47] <popey> cunning
[13:47] <popey> I'd probably "lose" mine if I had one
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: this is the way it has always worked
[13:47] <popey> Interesting thing I heard that the return rate for Samsung Galaxy S was ~16% vs Apple iPad 2% in the USA.
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: (that's why there was a small delay between clicking "install" and install starting)
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> popey: maybe because apple doesn't accept returns? :P
[13:48] <popey> hahah
[13:48] <popey> (they do)
[13:48] <popey> Steve knows his stuff is perfect, why allow returns?
[13:49] <gord> yeah i think there is consumer laws about that ;)
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> gord: in the UK, yes
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> gord: in the US, not so much
[13:52] <gord> although i don't think comparing return rates of such different products is a valid comparison
[13:52] <popey> when would it be a valid comparison
[13:52] <gord> i think people who get an ipad very explicitly wanted "an ipad" thus not likely to return, whereas people who got a galaxy S wanted "a phone" and thus might not live up to their needs
[13:52] <AlanBell> popey: we have returned a total of three streaks I think
[13:52] <popey> erk
[13:53] <AlanBell> out of two
[13:53] <gord> i think return rates are far too variable for any comparison to be valid, unless it was explicitly "this hardware is broken" return rates
[13:53] <popey> i haven't returned any apple products, and I have 6
[13:53] <popey> although I did lose one on the eurostar
[13:54] <AlanBell> I remember that
[13:54] <Daviey> I've never lost an andorid based product on a eurostar.
[13:54] <czajkowski> Daviey: you also never got off on the wrong stop either did you
[13:55] <Daviey> I have found the apple charger for the laptops to have a few design issues :/
[13:55] <gord> i can't remember the last product i returned, maybe my kindle, but thats because it broke the week i got it... got it replaced more than returned
[13:55] <Daviey> czajkowski, I have often got off at the wrong stop :)
[13:55] <Daviey> Sound on my macbookpro7,1 under natty is less than good at the moment.
[13:56]  * Daviey blames Steve.
[14:00] <DaveMorris> http://2011.beercamp.com/
[14:00] <HazRPG> afternoon all \o#
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> \o hazman
[14:00] <gord> popey, y'know how the alt-tab thing is slow... in the ccsm settings for "static application switcher" under behaviour it has a "popup window delay" set to 0.2, setting it back to 0 makes it snappy for me (although seing others with less powerful computers having slow alt tab still)
[14:01] <popey> well, I'm kinda hosed at the moment, my unity experience has stopped due to no nvidia driver
[14:01] <Daviey> oh good... i just updated X, removing nvidia-current
[14:01] <Daviey> this has a bad feeling.
[14:01] <popey> yes, that
[14:01] <Daviey> hurray!
[14:01] <popey> there is no nvidia-current for the latest x
[14:01] <Daviey> i literally JUST did it.
[14:02] <popey> dont do that
[14:02] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: in case you were curious, it turned-out I should have specified the name of the domain in capitals when using the kinit command.
[14:02] <Laney> always watch what is removed :(
[14:02] <gord> if only we had the osx time machine
[14:02] <Daviey> popey,  tooo late... i even had to use dpkg force, as apt wouldn't let me do it :)
[14:02] <gord> have we not copied that yet?
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: of course! you have to shout at windows boxes to make them do what you want them to do ;)
[14:02] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: heh
[14:02] <Daviey> gord, When is X gonna be good with nvidia?
[14:03] <popey> if only apt had undo
[14:03] <Laney> does time machine cover system components?
[14:03] <gord> Daviey, i have no idea, it works okay for me updated on monday. ask #ubuntu-x
[14:03] <popey> 11:42:04 < yofel> there is NO nvidia driver yet that works with the new xserver, not even nvidias current beta driver
[14:04] <Daviey> gord, pah :)
[14:04]  * Daviey had better not reboot.
[14:04]  * Laney has been using safe-upgrade for ages, and will be until the huge transition he is working on is finished :'(
[14:04] <gord> oh great, i suggest you guys get used to that open source driver then...
[14:04] <Laney> . o O ( when is FF? )
[14:05] <Daviey> Laney, open a vnc session, and i'll open a browser for you and navigate to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule ..
[14:06] <Laney> it was in a thought bubble and therefore rhetorical, but thanks for your politeness
[14:06] <Daviey> Laney, np :)
[14:07] <bigcalm> These low fat super noodles are a bit pants. Ho hum
[14:08] <Daviey> bigcalm, Panter than you expected?
[14:08]  * selinuxium chuckles...
[14:08] <bigcalm> Daviey: I quite like super noodles. But I don't always have the low fat ones. Now I remember why
[14:08] <selinuxium> Hi Daviey
[14:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: when you getting here kiddo?
[14:09]  * bigcalm pulls a pair of boxershorts from between his teeth
[14:09] <DJones> bigcalm: Is it possible to use the words "low fat" ini any other context than "a bit pants"
[14:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski i want a photo of you two together with no bruises please :)
[14:09] <selinuxium> bigcalm, I thought the only difference was that you get less noodles in the diet pack..
[14:09] <Daviey> bigcalm, :(
[14:09] <Daviey> selinuxium, o/

[14:10] <Daviey> less watts!
[14:10] <bigcalm> selinuxium: same quantity, odd product though
[14:10] <popey> tasteless
[14:11] <popey> watery
[14:11] <popey> much like all diet food :)
[14:11] <popey> also, the nouveau driver is rubbish, it flickers every few seconds
[14:11] <Darael> popey: those two words could describe so much incredibly accurately... not only food, either...
[14:11] <bigcalm> One could say that the skimmed milk that I have in my tea is "low fat". But I likes that
[14:11] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :)
[14:11] <popey> ooo
[14:11] <popey> chai o'clock
[14:11] <HazRPG> I'm hooked on Minecraft now >_<
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Told you so
[14:12] <HazRPG> >_<
[14:12] <HazRPG> I know... >_<
[14:12] <bigcalm> Hehe
[14:12]  * Darael makes mental note not to start playing.  It's clearly not a good idea.
[14:12] <bigcalm> I deleted it as it was getting in the way of work
[14:12] <HazRPG> now that I've got a hut... its all the more addictive, at first I though "this is crap, I'll never build anything fast enough to protect myself
[14:12] <HazRPG> "
[14:13] <bigcalm> HazRPG: If you were really stuck, one could just dig a hole for the 1st night
[14:13] <HazRPG> bigcalm: is that why you have a place that says "claim this house"?
[14:13] <bigcalm> HazRPG: I didn't write that sign. I wrote the one next to it
[14:13] <bigcalm> You're welcome to it if you want it
[14:14] <HazRPG> bigcalm: didn't realise that until after the first 5 or so deaths
[14:14] <popey> i wrote the claim sign
[14:14] <HazRPG> bigcalm: yeah I saw that one too
[14:14] <popey> didnt know whose it was
[14:14] <Daviey> popey, I did run my own nouveau driver for a while... but every kernel upgrade was a PITA
[14:14] <Daviey> i did consider dkms'ing it... then thought... well.. i just hate freedom.
[14:14] <popey> why do we update x without waiting for a driver from nvidia?
[14:14] <popey> or is it us updating that prompts them to update?
[14:15] <Daviey> probably chicken + egg?
[14:15] <popey> yeah
[14:15] <popey> wish they'd just open source the damn thing
[14:15] <HazRPG> ikr :/
[14:16] <bigcalm> Gah
[14:16] <bigcalm> Why do some email clients imbed images into emails rather than attach them?
[14:18] <HazRPG> think it'd be possible to make like a tunnel that goes between two houses underground?
[14:18] <popey> everyone in offices does that
[14:18] <popey> printscreen, new mail, paste
[14:18] <bigcalm> HazRPG: yes
[14:18] <bigcalm> popey: this came from an applemail client. I blame Steve Jobs for everything
[14:19] <popey> ok, cmd+shift+3, cmd n for new mail, drag image from desktop :)
[14:21] <bigcalm> Aha
[14:33] <dwatkins> cmd+shift+4, space, click for just a window, iirc
[14:35] <popey> yeah
[14:35] <popey> most obscure shortcut ever
[14:35] <popey> also, interesting to note that GNOME Shell ships with a built in screencast app
[14:35] <dwatkins> It's one thing I'm very surprised at which Macs are very difficult for, screenshots.
[14:38] <Myrtti> whee, new laptop
[14:38] <Myrtti> sadly, it comes with Ubuntu 9.10 preinstalled
[14:39] <AlanBell> could be sadder
[14:39] <popey> Dell?
[14:39] <Myrtti> popey: yeah, our company work laptop standard issue
[14:39] <Myrtti> AlanBell: in the sense that it could come with Windows, true
[14:39] <Myrtti> otherwise, no
[14:40] <Myrtti> I'll have to nuke the installation anyway, and that's sad
[14:41] <Myrtti> ubuntu 32-bit 9.10 desktop --> xubuntu 64-bit 10.10 alternate with luks
[14:45] <HazRPG> not easy avoiding water underground
[14:45]  * HazRPG building himself a tunnel xD
[14:47] <DJones> HazRPG: How do you _build_ a tunnel?
[14:48] <HazRPG> line the walls with coblestone?
[14:48] <Twinkletoes> Does anybody have experience of bacula and/or recent versions of amanda?  I've been using bacula but it's very complicated (still not sure I'm running it right!) and for the small number of servers I have to backup, a 6GB+ catalogue file is a bit excessive.  Any comments, suggestions or ideas?
[14:48] <DJones> HazRPG: Good answer
[14:49] <HazRPG> DJones: :P
[14:49] <HazRPG> otherwise I would have just said I was digging a tunnel :P
[14:53] <HazRPG> ah crap, didn't count how many spaces to the left I needed to go before I hit water
[14:53] <DJones> Does that mean your tunnel is flooded
[14:54] <HazRPG> not just yet
[14:54] <HazRPG> I saw gravel and thought to myself "hmmm... that's usually near water... I'll fill that back up with coblestone... and go left again"
[14:54]  * popey invites HazRPG to #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :)
[14:56] <HazRPG> popey: ^^, didn't know it was there
[14:56] <screen-x> Twinkletoes: rsnapshot
[14:57] <screen-x> Just had a uknof email saying the final 5 /8s have been allocated, so the IANA pool is now empty..
[14:57] <Twinkletoes> screen-x: Thankyou - looks interesting, reading now
[14:57] <screen-x> Go panic buy water, or get your anti-nat cannons ready.
[14:58] <Neoti|work> yey for ipv6
[14:58] <Neoti|work> lol
[14:58] <AlanBell> did you see the ipv6 song?
[14:58] <screen-x> nope...?
[14:58] <Neoti|work> yes ...
[14:58] <danfish> screen-x: I have a spare ipv4 going. The bidding starts at £50
[14:58] <danfish> ;)
[14:58] <Neoti|work> i personally dont like IP v6... i think they should have just added some oct on ...
[14:58] <Neoti|work> dam it ...
[14:59] <Neoti|work> who wanted to remember a hexdec thing.
[14:59] <Neoti|work> <IP_ADDRESS> is far more easyer to remember lol
[15:00] <screen-x> danfish: nah, that belongs to your ISP ;-)   It would be good if you could get a single provider independent address, but that would make for _very_ large routing tables.
[15:00] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qYS31SOq6A
[15:02] <danfish> screen-x: nah - it's mine honest and very unique - "<IP_ADDRESS>" :P
[15:02] <popey> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls
[15:02] <popey> *shudder*
[15:03] <AlanBell> how the heck did they get that youtube URL and why is popey pasting it here?
[15:03] <popey> haha
[15:03] <popey> its got RMS in it
[15:04] <danfish> why is it I read the bit after the "=" in popey's link as "pube analysis"?
[15:05] <danfish> ...I need to keep taking the tablets
[15:05]  * popey points danfish at AlanBell and around 2 mins ago
[15:05] <danfish> popey: d'oh!
[15:07]  * AlanBell clicks cautiously
[15:07] <AlanBell> oh my
[15:07] <AlanBell> I think I would rather watch what I thought it was going to be
[15:08] <Pendulum> AlanBell: do I want to know what you thought it would be?
[15:09] <screen-x> AlanBell: ipv6 song, very good :)
[15:09] <AlanBell> Pendulum: no, you don't want to know that
[15:10] <dogmatic69> anyone know why the sensors applet does not show my cpu? i3 on a Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2 mobo
[15:10] <dogmatic69> running x86 10.10
[15:11] <AlanBell> shhh shhhh, it's oh so quiet
[15:12] <dogmatic69> :(
[15:13] <popey> AlanBell: you at the expo again?
[15:13] <AlanBell> yes
[15:13] <AlanBell> then on to the font thing
[15:15] <popey> ah
[15:16] <popey> hows the expo today?
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/qePef.jpg
[15:20] <popey> :)
[15:23] <AlanBell> it isn't very busy
[15:24] <AlanBell> if nobody turns up soon I may be forced to install minecraft
[15:24] <kazade> AlanBell, do it!
[15:25] <pauliunx> hi, i have a question: I recently installed lxde (lubuntu) and I'm very very happy with the desktop environment but it has a problem, it has no gui for setting up dual monitors [ BIG desktop ], so what I did was log out, re-load gnome, create the monitor layout with it's monitor gui and then logged out again and logged in with lxde and it works. the only problem is, when I restart my computer and login with my lxde again, the big layout is lost so I have
[15:25] <pauliunx> i have a radeon 9550 card
[15:26] <popey> haha
[15:27]  * popey points pauliunx at MartijnVdS who knows about ATI cards :)
[15:27] <popey> pauliunx: you probably need to make an xorg.conf
[15:27] <popey> AlanBell: you'll be welcome in #ubuntu-uk-minecraft
[15:27] <pauliunx> popey: yea i found out about that file, no idea how to write it though..
[15:29] <kazade> pauliunx, are you using the official driver (from the hardware drivers section) or the default open source one?
[15:31] <pauliunx> kazade: the default one, when i go to hardware drivers, it says no proprietary drivers were found
[15:31] <kazade> ah ok, then I don't think an Xorg.conf is gonna help you..
[15:32] <pauliunx> i see amd released catalyst drivers for ubuntu 10.4
[15:32] <pauliunx> downloading them now
[15:32] <kazade> pauliunx, wait..
[15:32] <pauliunx> maybe i can set things up over there
[15:33] <kazade> it it's not listed in hardware drivers, it means either a.) your card is no longer supported by AMD or b.) you are missing a package
[15:33] <pauliunx> oh...probably a) then
[15:33] <kazade> pauliunx, just to be sure, make sure "fglrx-modaliases" is installed
[15:33] <kazade> that contains the info of which driver supports which card
[15:34] <kazade> if it's missing, hardware drivers will be empty even if your card isn't supported
[15:34] <kazade> *is
[15:34] <pauliunx> it's already installed
[15:35] <pauliunx> fglrx-modaliases is already the newest version.
[15:35] <kazade> ok, that means that installing the driver from AMD won't work (and may break stuff)
[15:35] <pauliunx> can't I just copy/paste the files that are generating the current layout somewhere to make them permanent?
[15:35] <kazade> apparently lxde has a monitor tool called LXRandr
[15:35] <kazade> sudo apt-get install lxrandr ?
[15:35] <pauliunx> yes, but it only offers turning the monitors on/off and rezolutions
[15:36] <pauliunx> nothing past that, doesn't give the choice of extending a monitor
[15:36] <kazade> I see... it's odd that it's not saving the information
[15:36] <kazade> what you did is supposed to make it permanent, at least for you
[15:37] <pauliunx> hm...i guess lxde and gnome use different files when loading
[15:37] <kazade> they shouldn't do, it's the same underlying technology (xrandr)
[15:37] <kazade> um, perhaps ask the lxde guys?
[15:37] <kazade> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/IRC_Chat
[15:38] <pauliunx> on their forum it says they have no developers who use two monitors :))
[15:38] <kazade> oh... brilliant
[15:38] <pauliunx> alrighty, I'll just leave it at this for now
[15:39] <kazade> and xorg.conf will probably work
[15:39] <kazade> although, it's not *supposed* to be the way to do it :)
[15:39] <pauliunx> don't know how to do it
[15:39] <kazade> some info here: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitors-with-xrandr/2009/06/01
[15:40] <kazade> it's not ideal..
[15:40] <kazade> hmm, pauliunx can you run the gnome monitor config from inside lxde?
[15:40] <pauliunx> it doesn't show up
[15:41] <kazade> run: gnome-display-properties
[15:41] <kazade> either in ALT+F2 (if lxde has it) or from a terminal
[15:42] <kazade> pauliunx, I understand the problem
[15:43] <kazade> lxde is supposed to set your saved mode at login, but apparently it doesn't. So you can add a line to a file called /etc/xdg/lxsession/autostart ...
[15:43] <AlanBell> sladen is here now
[15:43] <kazade> although, the xrandr line will be dependent on your setup :(
[15:44] <kazade> pauliunx, some info here: http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=375
[15:47] <pauliunx> kazade: sorry, got disconnected
[15:47] <pauliunx> yes, i can run gnome-display but it doesn't actually do anything
[15:47] <pauliunx> if I click apply nothing changes
[15:48] <pauliunx> any idea why?
[15:48] <kazade> erm...
[15:48] <kazade> no, that should have worked
[15:49] <kazade> if you run it in a terminal, is there any output (e.g an error)
[15:49] <kazade> ?
[15:49] <pauliunx> two warnings
[15:49] <pauliunx> (gnome-display-properties:1754): Gtk-WARNING **: Ignoring the separator setting
[15:49] <pauliunx> (gnome-display-properties:1754): Gtk-WARNING **: No object called:
[15:50] <kazade> hmm, I dunno :(
[15:50] <kazade> that really should've worked...
[15:50] <pauliunx> could you please give me the xorg.conf link again?
[15:50] <pauliunx> gonna try it that way
[15:51] <screen-x> Things never look quite how I expect them to: http://prt.org/new/html/k.marmite-servers.net.html
[15:51] <kazade> pauliunx, this is useful: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#Using__.24_xrandr
[15:51] <kazade> pauliunx, here's the original link I sent you: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitors-with-xrandr/2009/06/01
[15:52] <kazade> actually, that doesn't tell you what I thought it did
[15:53] <kazade> here we go: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
[15:53] <kazade> that tells you the two methods (xrandr and xorg.conf)
[15:53] <kazade> for "Driver" you want "ati"
[15:53] <kazade> I think... or maybe "radeon" I can't remember
[15:53] <kazade> but definitely not "intel" :p
[15:54] <daubers> o/
[15:54] <popey> AlanBell: give sladen a hug from me
[15:56] <pauliunx> thanks kazade
[15:56] <pauliunx> i'll try that now
[16:10]  * daubers popped into the expo, wasn't very impressed said hello and vanished again
[16:15] <MooDoo> daubers: that good eh?
[16:16] <screen-x> dogmatic69: I got some sensor info by loading the coretemp module
[16:16] <AlanBell> daubers: did you?
[16:17] <daubers> AlanBell: I did indeed :)
[16:17] <dogmatic69> screen-x: i got it going, sensor-detect
[16:17] <AlanBell> daubers: this morning?
[16:17] <daubers> AlanBell: About lunchtime, you had gone to see a customer apparently
[16:17] <screen-x> dogmatic69: sensors-detect didn't find anything for me, had to load the module manually.
[16:17] <daubers> :)
[16:17] <AlanBell> bother, probably just missed you
[16:17] <AlanBell> we got here at lunchtime
[16:17] <dogmatic69> well i just restarted after that
[16:18] <daubers> Ahh, ok
[16:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Update Regarding Usage Based Billing of the Internet in Canada - Government will Reverse CRTC ruling - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/update-regarding-usage-based-billing-internet-canada-government-will-reverse-crtc-ruling
[16:43] <kaushal> Hi
[16:43] <kaushal> I  have a question regarding cron which invokes the shell script at 9am and 9pm
[16:44] <kaushal> How do i handle the situation when the job which is running since 9am has not yet completed
[16:44] <kaushal> till 9pm
[16:44] <screen-x> kaushal: pidfiel
[16:44] <screen-x> pid file even
[16:45] <kaushal> screen-x: not sure i understand that
[16:53] <AlanBell> well everyone is packing up now
[16:53] <AlanBell> think the expo is done
[16:54] <MooDoo> AlanBell: everyone wants to go to the pub
[16:54] <MooDoo> AlanBell: so was it worth it?
[17:05] <screen-x> bother, I keep starting a converstation then getting disconnected and not realising :(
[17:06]  * screen-x slaps bip
[17:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: check out my fb page pic of czajkowski just for you dude :)
[17:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: geotagged too
[19:05] <gurkan_> hi all
[19:05] <gurkan_> how to set the smtp server of my provider in my home's mailrc file i use mailutils 2.1
[19:17] <Baikonur> dunno
[19:18] <gurkan_> dunno
[19:18] <gurkan_> ?
[19:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] AskUbuntu has Gone through the 10,000 Users Threshold - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/askubuntu-has-gone-through-10000-users-threshold
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> IT'S OVER 9000!
[19:24] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[19:25] <pr0ph3t> I need to run this command LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype, but if I add it as a launcher it gives me error, the only way I can run it is typing it onto the terminal
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> how do I create a launcher for that? Should I create a bash script that replaces the skype in /usr/bin/?
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: create a small shell script, then have the launcher launch the shell script
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: shell script can be two lines:
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> #! /bin/bash
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> LD_PRELOAD=etc etc
[19:27] <pr0ph3t> and then make it exec
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> call it "skype.sh", put it somewhere in your homedir, make it executable (you can do this in the "Properties" screen in the file manager)
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[19:28] <pr0ph3t> ok thanks MartijnVdS
[19:31] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, is it chmod 777 skype.sh?
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: 777 is way too much
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> 755 is more than enough.. but I'd recommend just saying: chmod u+x file
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> ("for user add execute")
[19:56] <pr0ph3t> thank you
[20:02] <pr0ph3t_> re all
[20:06] <MonsterKiller> Hey. I tried to change my ubuntu server password and got: passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
[20:09] <MonsterKiller> what does it mean? :/
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> it means either your old password was wrong
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> or the new ones didn't match
[20:44] <xircon-brb> Hi
[20:46] <xircon-st> Just testing my cheapo scroll tablet from maplins
[20:46] <BigRedS> Ooooh, how is it?
[20:47] <xircon-st> Better since I rooted it and installed a different build.prop
[20:48] <xircon-st> You get what you pay for android market worked briefly (manual states it is not supported)
[20:49] <xircon-st> Also better with a cheap nintendo ds stylus
[20:50] <BigRedS> Hmmm
[20:50] <BigRedS> I've been pondering one of those as a sort-of marginally-smart-screen more than a tablet
[20:52] <xircon-st> In retrospect I should have perhaps got a stream of a galaxy but it's OK for the money
[20:53] <xircon-st> Sorry streak!
[20:53] <BigRedS> I did wonder :)
[20:53] <xircon-st> Bloody SwiftKey keyboard still getting used to it
[20:55] <xircon-st> It's pretty good though,  can type fairly quickly good find
[20:56] <xircon-st> There is a very friendly forum looking at an upgrade to2. 2
[20:59]  * MartijnVdS is waiting for that Xoom thing
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> with Honeycomb
[20:59] <xircon-st> Any pricing available yet
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> no
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> well
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> the US price without a plan will be €550ish
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> (after conversion)
[21:03] <xircon-st> Unfortunately $ normally = £
[21:04] <xircon-st> We live in a ripoff world
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> yes
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> same with €
[21:23] <Azelphur> behavioural advertising is funny, it always shows me things I've already bought
[21:23] <Azelphur> it's like anti-advertising.
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> what like Russian brides? :P
[21:49] <brobostigon-andr> Evening evryone.
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon-andr
[21:50] <brobostigon-andr> Hey MartijnVdS
[21:50] <suprengr> o/ brobostigon-andr MartijnVdS
[21:50] <suprengr> are we the only ones not at the 'do'
[21:50] <brobostigon-andr> Hi suprengr
[21:51] <brobostigon-andr> Maybe
[21:51] <brobostigon-andr> I just had a chat with my dad and he has something good for me to work on.
[21:53] <brobostigon-andr> Damn. Battery. :(
[21:53]  * BigRedS isn't at the do
[21:53] <BigRedS> Is this the font thingy you're on about?
[21:53] <brobostigon-andr> No.
[21:54] <brobostigon-andr> My dad his forming his own company and wants me to do the it. :)
[21:54] <brobostigon-andr> IT
[21:54] <MartijnVdS> cool
[21:55] <brobostigon-andr> MartijnVdS: so I need to find dns and a server provider
[21:55] <BigRedS> oooh, handy
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon-andr: gandi.net, gandi.net :)
[21:56] <brobostigon-andr> MartijnVdS: that was my intial thought and then bytemark.
[21:56] <MartijnVdS> they're nice people
[21:56] <brobostigon-andr> That's the impression I get.
[21:57]  * brobostigon-andr is in the pub with his dad,and where he thinks the best.
[21:58] <brobostigon-andr> So this is going to be a lot of work.
[21:58]  * suprengr likes brobostigon-andr's Dad... he has brains ;)
[21:58]  * brobostigon-andr gets everyone a real ale.
[21:59] <suprengr> num num... cheers
[21:59] <brobostigon-andr> :)
[22:00] <BigRedS> mmm, handy
[22:00] <brobostigon-andr> So I might be calling on your chaps and gals for help.
[22:01] <brobostigon-andr> Ok, speak later. When I get home.
[22:02] <brobostigon-andr> Enjoy the beer. :)
[22:02] <suprengr> bfn brobostigon-andr  & ta for the beer
[22:02] <suprengr> [hic]
[22:02] <brobostigon-andr> You're welcome suprengr
[22:03] <brobostigon-andr> Lol
[22:03] <brobostigon-andr> Bbl
[22:03] <brobostigon-andr> Cheers
[22:03] <brobostigon-andr> Iechyd dda
[22:05] <suprengr> & good health 2u2
[22:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jamie Bennett] Linaro 11.05 Alpha-2 Released - http://www.linuxuk.org/2011/02/806/
[22:50] <hamitron> 18 hours downtime for my internet conenction... I got the shakes ;/
[22:53] <Jibadeeha> cold turkey?
[22:53] <Azelphur> this is why I have a phone
[22:54] <Azelphur> redundancy!
[22:54] <Jibadeeha> first question i ask when house hunting is, "can you get broadband?"
[22:54] <BigRedS> I forget there ae houses you can't get broadband in
[22:55] <Jibadeeha> hard to imagine isn't it
[22:55] <BigRedS> Though I have spent the large majority of my life in London
[22:55] <Jibadeeha> London gets everything first
[22:55] <Jibadeeha> even the plague
[22:56] <Jibadeeha> ;)
[22:57] <hamitron> :)
[22:57] <hamitron> I'd not want to live in London
[22:57] <hamitron> too busy, fast and dangerous
[22:58] <directhex> off to brussels tomorrow. i'd better play videogames for 3 hours
[23:00] <hamitron> get the fix? ;)
[23:00] <hamitron> I'm right off comp games after last night
[23:01] <hamitron> got to the 18th race of the season on F1 2010, and I am told my team will not be renewing my contract
[23:01] <hamitron> :/
[23:02] <hamitron> spent about 2.5 hours per race, and got points in a rubbish car, then they tell me that
[23:02] <Jibadeeha> sounds very random
[23:02] <Jibadeeha> all that investment to be told that
[23:03] <hamitron> I was upset, my team mate has no points
[23:03] <hamitron> :)
[23:03] <Jibadeeha> i was playing an old game on Spectrum emulator today, and was surprise how addictive the game was .. was just like old times
[23:03] <Jibadeeha> Sabre Wulf btw
[23:03] <hamitron> and a Lotus in F1, getting 3rd and 6th in 2 races is good....
[23:03] <hamitron> never played it
[23:04] <hamitron> I always liked Millionaire
[23:04] <Jibadeeha> fantastic game, but the keys make it hard Q=left, W=right, E=up, R=down, T=sword
[23:04] <hamitron> :)
[23:05] <Jibadeeha> given your nickname hamitron, i would expect you to be driving a McLaren
[23:05] <hamitron> I have used this nickname for nearly 15 years
[23:05] <Jibadeeha> well before hami in F1 then
[23:05] <hamitron> long before
[23:05] <hamitron> haha
[23:06] <Jibadeeha> hehehe
[23:06] <hamitron> I actually mainly play racing games
[23:06] <Jibadeeha> last F1 game i played was F1 2008 for my old playstation 1 ... was fantastic
[23:06] <hamitron> and find it annoying everyone automatically assumes I got it from that
[23:06] <Jibadeeha> oh not 2008
[23:06] <hamitron> I have Formula 1 '97
[23:06] <hamitron> :)
[23:06] <Jibadeeha> '98
[23:07] <Jibadeeha> man i am getting old
[23:07] <Jibadeeha> time is passing me bye
[23:07] <hamitron> in '98....
[23:07] <hamitron> can you see what the weather is like before starting a race?
[23:07] <hamitron> :/
[23:07] <Jibadeeha> i can't remember
[23:07] <hamitron> I can't find it in F1 '97, and it always ruined it for me
[23:08] <hamitron> starting a wet race on slicks :/
[23:08] <Jibadeeha> i always think 98 was a good year for the sport
[23:08] <hamitron> draw distance on the PS1 was not nearly as good as the PC either
[23:09] <hamitron> was that the year Damon Hill raced for Jordan?
[23:09] <Jibadeeha> i loved F1 when it was Schumi v Hakki
[23:09] <Jibadeeha> yeah Hill and Schumi as well
[23:09] <hamitron> yeh
[23:09] <hamitron> mine has Hill in the Arrows
[23:09] <Jibadeeha> F1 was great back in those days
[23:09] <hamitron> better than now
[23:09] <hamitron> but still not overly great
[23:10] <Jibadeeha> hamitron, you are making me want to get my play station out of the loft
[23:10] <hamitron> :/
[23:10] <hamitron> haha
[23:10] <hamitron> my PS1 is boxed atm, just got my NES setup
[23:10] <Jibadeeha> the graphics were superb back in the day
[23:10] <Jibadeeha> have you tried a PS1 emulator?
[23:10] <hamitron> yes
[23:11] <Jibadeeha> any good?
[23:11] <hamitron> but I have better games for the PC
[23:11] <hamitron> it works
[23:11] <hamitron> but I see console gaming as just a quick and easy, turn on and play when you want kinda thing
[23:11] <Jibadeeha> is it the same speed?
[23:11] <hamitron> having to setup an emulator destroys that
[23:12] <hamitron> erm
[23:12] <hamitron> I think so
[23:12] <Jibadeeha> i agree .. prefer using a console for games
[23:12] <Jibadeeha> i only have a Wii at the moment and a PS1
[23:12] <Jibadeeha> i keep thinking of buying F1 for Wii, but the graphics don't look so hot
[23:12] <hamitron> if I want the trouble of setting up a game on a PC, I play a fully featured PC game :)
[23:13] <Jibadeeha> you ever played Metal Gear Solid
[23:13] <Azelphur> Jibadeeha: why use a console for games when there are so many good emulators out there and perfectly good methods to hook up controllers?
[23:13] <hamitron> no
[23:13] <hamitron> Azelphur: it is effort
[23:13] <Jibadeeha> Azelphur, i only have a netbook :(
[23:13] <Azelphur> it's like A) Buy a Wii, B) Buy a PC that can play Wii, Gamecube, PS2, and anything else you want :P
[23:13] <Azelphur> sell the consoles get a decent PC then :P
[23:14] <hamitron> I bought a PSP to play games while having a dump ;/
[23:14] <Azelphur> the emulators are even open source, it's like christmas.
[23:14] <hamitron> my PC doesn't do it
[23:14] <hamitron> short of bring a bowl here
[23:14] <Jibadeeha> Azelphur, i am not a big game player though to invest much money into it .. i get bored of playing games after about 2 hours ... only F1 games keep me addicted, don't ask why .. perhaps cos i like the sport
[23:14] <hamitron> bringing*
[23:14] <Azelphur> I bought an android phone, I have PSX, SNES, NES, Genesis/Megadrive, GBA, GBC, with about 5k games packed onto the SD card and room to spare :D
[23:15] <Jibadeeha> Azelphur, i do have a ZX spectrum emulator and 3000 games for it from a CD i bought ... love the old games
[23:15] <hamitron> Azelphur: and you reckon that is as easy and relaxing as using a PS2 on a large LCD tv in the living room?
[23:16] <Jibadeeha> i don't want to buy a clunky tower/desktop PC - would rather have a console under the TV
[23:16] <Azelphur> hamitron: no, I was comparing my android phone to the PSP
[23:16] <hamitron> PSP has better controls
[23:16] <Azelphur> hamitron: as for the PS2, I have a far superior setup on my TV in the living room too :)
[23:16] <Azelphur> hamitron: android has any controls you want, you can get attachable controllers.
[23:16] <Jibadeeha> when i had a desktop PC and bought games for it ... there was always the fear of whether the game would perform well on the PC , e..g CPU speed, video card, enough memory, etc ... you don't get that with a console
[23:16] <hamitron> Azelphur: and the cost?
[23:17] <hamitron> ;/
[23:17] <hamitron> got my PSP for £81
[23:17] <Azelphur> hamitron: in my front room I have MythTV. It has a media center with 1.5TB of media/games. Full DVR capability and a couple of playstation controllers hooked up to it :P
[23:17] <Azelphur> hamitron: not bad, I just picked up my mum a psx4droid capable phone for £100
[23:17] <Azelphur> but it was new
[23:17] <Azelphur> i assume your psp wasn't :P
[23:18] <hamitron> no, but mine reads UMD
[23:18] <hamitron> ;)
[23:18] <Azelphur> yours doesn't read microsd :)
[23:18] <hamitron> PSP games don't come on that :/
[23:18] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:19] <hamitron> but I still reckon the feel is better
[23:19] <hamitron> a phone can play games, but not really designed for it
[23:19] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[23:20] <Azelphur> I've played through NFS Shift and most of Gran turismo on my G2
[23:20] <Azelphur> lovin it :P
[23:20] <hamitron> sure it is fun...
[23:20] <hamitron> ;/
[23:20] <hamitron> I'll play RACE 07 with my logitech FF wheel
[23:20] <hamitron> ;)
[23:21] <Azelphur> and I'll play flight gear with my flight yoke
[23:21] <hamitron> can't dot hat on your phone ;p
[23:21] <Azelphur> can't do that on your psp either?
[23:22] <hamitron> true, can't make phone calls either, as it is for gaming
[23:22] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[23:22] <hamitron> I am still a huge fan of the PSP though, feels more modern than even the DS
[23:23] <hamitron> just a shame it is sony
[23:23] <Azelphur> hamitron: I just had an interesting idea
[23:23] <Azelphur> I wonder if you could use an android phone to do virtual reality
[23:23] <hamitron> I liek real reality ;/
[23:23] <hamitron> like*
[23:24] <Azelphur> I'mma try it
[23:24] <Jibadeeha> i wish flight gear would work on my asus netbook
[23:24] <Azelphur> lol it sorta works
[23:24] <Azelphur> I fired up google skymap closed one eye and put the phone in front of my eye
[23:24] <Jibadeeha> as much as i hate M$ ... flight simulator was fantastic
[23:25] <Azelphur> it's really out of focus but it works :o
[23:25] <Azelphur> I'mma try it with layar that'd be sick :o
[23:25] <Jibadeeha> stellarium is good Azelphur
[23:25] <Azelphur> :D
[23:25] <Azelphur> better than sky map?
[23:25] <hamitron> I never could fly planes
[23:25] <hamitron> :/
[23:26] <hamitron> loved the idea of Rowan's Battle of Brit
[23:26] <Jibadeeha> well i like google skymap on my android cos it knows what am i looking at by pointing it
[23:26] <Azelphur> yea :)
[23:26] <Azelphur> that's why I thought it'd be a good test for virtual reality
[23:26] <Jibadeeha> true
[23:26] <Jibadeeha> i love the number of stars in stellarium though
[23:28] <Azelphur> lol, the answer to could an android phone be used for virtual reality is: possibly it's very blurry xD
[23:29] <Jibadeeha> my android phone is too slow for virtual reality
[23:29] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:29] <Azelphur> I have an overclocked G2 :)
[23:29] <Jibadeeha> mine is a hero
[23:29] <Jibadeeha> but not in the true sense of the word
[23:31] <Jibadeeha> do you guys have surround sound?
[23:32] <hamitron> no
[23:32] <hamitron> 2.1
[23:32] <Jibadeeha> same here hamitron
[23:32] <Jibadeeha> i keep thinking of buying a surround system but don't like the idea of so many speakers in my living room and messing about with wires under the carpet
[23:32] <hamitron> amp and speakers cost more than most surround sound systems :/
[23:33] <Jibadeeha> hamitron, do you find when you play DVDs in 5.1 on your 2.1 system that you have to turn the volume up a bit higher
[23:33] <hamitron> I go for sound quality and power, over directions
[23:33] <hamitron> erm
[23:34] <hamitron> no :/
[23:34] <Jibadeeha> oh i find that when playing through my TV speakers ... volume is a lot lower
[23:34] <Jibadeeha> so do you have your TV connected to your amp
[23:34] <hamitron> I have no tv
[23:34] <hamitron> ;)
[23:34] <Jibadeeha> ah lol
[23:35] <hamitron> I sometimes use my parents tv
[23:35] <hamitron> it is just fine with tv speakers
[23:35] <Jibadeeha> i am not impressed with my parents surround sound tv
[23:36] <hamitron> I think it depends what you want from it
[23:36] <hamitron> I never listen to music from the tv
[23:36] <hamitron> I use a hifi for that
[23:37] <Jibadeeha> they got rid of their hifi and now play DVDs through the TV ... not for me ... i have kept my hifi and like all my music to be played through the amp and my technic speakers
[23:37] <hamitron> and as for dvd, most my dvd won't have 5.1
[23:37] <Jibadeeha> a lot of DVDs these days are in 5.1
[23:38] <hamitron> "these days"?
[23:38] <hamitron> ;/
[23:38] <Jibadeeha> "back in the day"
[23:38] <Jibadeeha> lol
[23:38] <hamitron> most my dvd are old war movies
[23:38] <hamitron> haha
[23:38] <Jibadeeha> longest day
[23:38] <Jibadeeha> bridge too far
[23:39] <hamitron> tbh, I bet most are mono :/
[23:39] <Jibadeeha> hehehe
[23:39] <Jibadeeha> Zulu is my fav
[23:39] <hamitron> I don't have Zulu
[23:39] <Jibadeeha> "chin chin old chap"
[23:39] <hamitron> my Dad does
[23:39] <hamitron> :))
[23:39] <Jibadeeha> Zulu is a classic - you got to buy it
[23:40] <hamitron> yeh, I am still looking for a Michael Caine set I like the look of
[23:40] <hamitron> for the right price ofc ;)
[23:40] <Jibadeeha> Italian Job, Get Carter, and Zulu
[23:40] <Jibadeeha> Educating Rita is good though
[23:40] <hamitron> there are so many :/
[23:41] <Jibadeeha> such a good actor
[23:41] <hamitron> I like box sets once the cost per movie is less than £1.50 each
[23:41] <Jibadeeha> i know what you mean
[23:41] <Jibadeeha> they had a Clint Eastwood box set in the supermarket the other day that had about 10 films for next to nothing
[23:42] <Jibadeeha> "come here blondie"
[23:43] <hamitron> I actually bought Fistful of Dollars trillogy all seperate
[23:43] <hamitron> some of my first dvd they were
[23:43] <Jibadeeha> good films
[23:43] <hamitron> £5 each was cheap then
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> "these days" you can pick them up for £3.99, so not bad
[23:44] <AlanBell> evening all
[23:44] <hamitron> I just got all 22 bond movies for £40
[23:44] <hamitron> well, few weeks ago
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> hamitron, amazon?
[23:44] <hamitron> yeh
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> i might copy you on that one
[23:44] <hamitron> it was too good to miss
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> love the bond movies
[23:44] <Jibadeeha> though wife doesn't
[23:44] <hamitron> hi AB
[23:44] <hamitron> :)
[23:45] <hamitron> it is only the single disc case sets
[23:45] <Jibadeeha> "from Russia with love"
[23:45] <hamitron> not the double one with extras
[23:45] <hamitron> but I never watch extras
[23:45] <Jibadeeha> i never rip the extras
[23:46] <hamitron> omg
[23:46] <hamitron> £65 now
[23:46] <hamitron> :/
[23:46] <hamitron> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Collection-including-Quantum-Solace/dp/B00307RT86/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296776745&sr=8-1
[23:46] <Jibadeeha> is that cos John Barry or whatever he is called died?
[23:46] <hamitron> could be
[23:46] <hamitron> dunno
[23:47] <hamitron> it was £65 before xmas
[23:47] <hamitron> I just saw it in sale and had to have it
[23:47] <Jibadeeha> maybe not then
[23:47] <Jibadeeha> the bond movies are the best
[23:47] <Jibadeeha> "odd job"
[23:48] <hamitron> I am trying to resist Test Drive Unlimited 2 :/
[23:49] <hamitron> £25 on pre-order
[23:49] <Jibadeeha> go for it
[23:49] <hamitron> the first one I have, but waited till the price had dropped to get it
[23:50] <hamitron> and loads had stopped playing by then
[23:50] <Jibadeeha> you ever played return to castle wolfenstein
[23:50] <hamitron> yeh, I bought it twice
[23:50] <hamitron> :)
[23:50] <Jibadeeha> think i might buy it and a console that can play it
[23:50] <hamitron> a console?
[23:51] <Jibadeeha> i remember the very first MS-DOS wolfenstein
[23:51] <Jibadeeha> i only have a netbook hamitron
[23:51] <hamitron> I didn't know it was on console
[23:51] <Jibadeeha> oh it might not be
[23:51] <Jibadeeha> will have to check
[23:51] <hamitron> ps2
[23:51] <hamitron> xbox
[23:51] <hamitron> nice :D
[23:52] <hamitron> but gotta use a PC for such games ;)
[23:52] <Jibadeeha> i so want to avoid having a desktop
[23:53] <Jibadeeha> but Wolfenstein could change that
[23:53] <hamitron> won't it play on the netbook?
[23:53] <Jibadeeha> doubt it
[23:53] <Jibadeeha> this thing won't play flightgear
[23:53] <hamitron> but it is a really old game
[23:54] <hamitron> 400mhz cpu...
[23:55] <hamitron> runs on windows 95 :D
[23:55] <Jibadeeha> return to castle wolfeinstein
[23:55] <Jibadeeha> it isn't that old
[23:55] <Jibadeeha> is it
[23:55] <hamitron> yeh
[23:56] <hamitron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Castle_Wolfenstein#Source_Code_Release
[23:56] <hamitron> there is actually a newer one also
[23:57] <Jibadeeha> 2001
[23:58] <hamitron> I used to run it on my K6-2 500MHz with 2 x voodoo2 in sli
[23:58] <hamitron> :)
[23:58] <Jibadeeha> i might buy it then as it runs on Linux
[23:58] <hamitron> need to check that
[23:58] <Jibadeeha> i just assumed it wouldn't work well
[23:59] <hamitron> can maybe download it free, released under GPL
[23:59] <Jibadeeha> let me check


[00:11] <nintendude794> howdy
[00:11] <nintendude794> is this the ubuntustudio support room?
[00:12] <nintendude794> I'm kinda an IRC noob, so forgive me
[01:06] <funkyHat> Impatient!
[05:55] <wer> I am having midi issues with qtractor.  It is not playing will with my motif rack and keyboard.   Anyone else here used external equipment with qtractor?  I could really use some help.
[08:00] <meowbuntu> hi my panel will no longer show apps in use
[08:17] <meowbuntu> hello anyone here atm
[09:24] <marsilainen> meowbuntu: you mean you don't get buttons for each app?
[09:24] <marsilainen> meowbuntu: the task bar functionality?
[09:26] <marsilainen> meowbuntu: if you right click on a blank part of the panel, then select "Add to Panel..." and then from the list select "Window List" that should give you back that functionality
[09:31] <meowbuntu> marsilainen, thanks got it
[09:31] <marsilainen> np
[10:27] <jose2> buenas
[10:28] <jose2> necesito consejo sobre tarjeta de sonido soportada para ubuntu ¿alguien puede ayudarme?
[10:59] <herbie> hi all, i'm not able to install the dvd image on intel machine: error is: kernel requires x86-64cpu, but only detected an i686cpu
[10:59] <herbie> is there a boot option for an other kernel?
[11:06] <marsilainen> herbie: it looks like you've downloaded the 64bit dvd but you're using it on a 32bit machine?
[11:07] <herbie> so i have to download an other image?
[11:07] <marsilainen> herbie: yes, I'm afraid so
[11:07] <marsilainen> herbie: you need the 'i386' file
[11:08] <herbie> ok i try it
[11:08] <herbie> thanks for helping
[11:08] <marsilainen> herbie: eg. this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/9.10/release/ubuntustudio-9.10-alternate-i386.iso
[11:08] <marsilainen> np
[11:08]  * herbie away for downloading a new image
[15:32] <uNet1> i've used this unetbootin-windows-377.exe to install ubuntustudio-9.10-alternate-i386.iso on a second hard drive in my pc, but when i restart it won't boot. any suggestions?
[17:56] <plavcik> uNet1: you can't boot att all ? what i on first disk
[17:58] <holstein> uNet1 = uNetGone
[19:07] <mezquitale> funkyHat, you use ubuntustudio???


[00:04] <WebVisitor-1> hi guys
[00:05] <WebVisitor-1> I have a touch screen laptop using Windows 10 but I want to use Ubuntu Linux. Can I keep my touch screen?
[00:59] <JanC> I have a touch screen laptop and it works just fine with Ubuntu
[06:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <mardy> tvoss: 'morning!
[07:11] <tvoss> mardy, o/
[07:11] <mardy> tvoss: I'm a bit stuck with the tests... this is what I've done so far: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/lp1499256/revision/216
[07:12] <tvoss> mardy, ah, let me see :)
[07:13] <mardy> tvoss: the test builds, but it segfaults because "if (thiz->impl.utc_time_request_handler)" evaluates to true, and then it calls that method. I'm not sure how i can make that evaluate to false
[07:14] <tvoss> mardy, let me quickly branch and have a look
[07:14] <mardy> tvoss: thanks!
[07:17] <tvoss> mardy, ah, the joys of void* in C callbacks
[07:18] <Tm_T> moin
[07:18] <tvoss> mardy, so you are passing a pointer to a MockHardwareAbstractionLayer into on_request_utc_time (taking a void*)
[07:19] <tvoss> mardy, the function internally assumes that an android::HardwareAbstractionLayer has been passed in and casts, which results in undefined behavior
[07:20] <mardy> tvoss: ouch! Any suggestion on how to get pass a valid context there?
[07:21] <tvoss> mardy, thinking about it. One way would be to mark the required functions in android::HardwareAbstractionLayer as virtual, and providing a specific mock inheriting from HardwareAbstractionLacer
[07:21] <tvoss> Layer, even
[07:21] <tvoss> then passing an instance of that one in should work
[07:25] <tvoss> mardy, the other (cleaner way) would be to define a Reporter interface, with the android::HAL implementation reporting events like reporter->utc_time_requested()
[07:25] <tvoss> mardy, in normal operation, we could handle logging in the reporter, and reuse it in testing scenarios
[07:35] <mardy> tvoss: mmm... I'm a bit lost, I'll try to understand the current code better and then come back with precise questions :-)
[07:35] <tvoss> mardy, sure, we can jump on a hangout, too
[07:36] <tvoss> mardy, so all the static functions in android_hardware_abstraction_layer.h are callbacks that are passed to the gps driver
[07:36] <mardy> tvoss: thanks, I'll let you know if that's needed
[07:36] <tvoss> mardy, cool, I'm around
[07:37] <zzarr> Hello! I have a question touching this channel, will this be possible on OTA-7? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-phones-will-run-any-linux-application-on-top-of-unity-8-494496.shtml?utm_content=buffer4ed3f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=plus.google.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[07:54] <Guest42341> zzarr, o_O Xmir?
[08:09] <mardy> tvoss: OK, I did some progress, using a third option: mocking ubuntu-platfom-api (just u_hardware_gps_new(), u_hardware_gps_set_position_mode() and u_hardware_gps_inject_time())
[08:09] <tvoss> mardy, so that requires an LD_PRELOAD though, doesn't it?
[08:09] <mardy> tvoss: I'm not going to show you any code yet, I just verified that it would work
[08:10] <mardy> tvoss: no, we just add a .cpp file defining these methods
[08:11] <mardy> tvoss: and then we can use gmock inside this implementation
[08:11] <matv1> hi everyone
[08:12] <matv1> not meaning to be pushy, but i reported a bug a couple of days ago where my (stable channel ota6, no tinkering done) has gone bad in a way i have not seen, or seen reported by others, before. If anyone at canonical feels its worth chasing this down, i'd love to help and produce more info out but as it is my daily driver, i cannot afford to keep my phone in this state for long.
[08:12] <matv1> If its gonna take a while (which i fully understand)i am going to have to do a factory reset
[08:12] <tvoss> matv1, mind pasting the bug url/nr?
[08:13] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1505220
[08:13] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1505220 in Canonical System Image "multiple apps crashing at launch" [Undecided,New]
[08:14] <tvoss> matv1, I'll make sure that it gets picked up and at least looked at today. Thanks for the report :)
[08:15] <matv1> tvoss thanks a lot! i am going to add a bit of new info to the bug as well myself. I will keep an eye on the bug and on irc today
[08:16] <tvoss> matv1, great, thank you :)
[08:19] <zzarr> Guest42341, yes, XMIR!
[08:19] <zzarr> I love it :D
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy World Maths Day! 😃
[10:10] <mardy> tvoss: in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/lp1499256/revision/216, I made on_request_utc_time() use inject_reference_time(), changing the signature of the latter;
[10:10] <mardy> tvoss: however, if I mock the ubuntu platform API, this is not really necessary
[10:10] <mardy> tvoss: should I revert that change, or do you prefer to keep it?
[10:10] <tvoss> mardy, have to take a look at the final MP to be honest :)
[10:11] <tvoss> for the sake of having the big picture
[10:11] <mardy> tvoss: OK, so for the time being I'll keep the changes to a minimum
[10:12] <tvoss> mardy, ack
[11:38] <mardy> tvoss: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/lp1499256/+merge/274381 I kept the mock in the same file, let me know if you prefer to be in a separate file
[11:39] <tvoss> mardy, ack and thx
[12:55] <jgdx> dbarth, hey, you're landing the removal of facebook from account-polld?
[13:54] <dbarth> jgdx: yes, that API is deprecated by Facebook, we can't use it
[13:55] <jgdx> dbarth, yup. Reason I ask is that I don't see mardy's MP in the silo referring to the bug.
[13:55] <dbarth> ah
[13:56] <dbarth> oh, there were 2 silos, and i removed this change to land it in a separate silo
[13:56] <dbarth> that may be why
[13:56] <dbarth> jgdx: which silo are you talking about?
[13:57] <jgdx> dbarth, 38, but now I don't see the reference.
[13:57] <dbarth> silo 040 has only the plugin changes
[13:57] <jgdx> dbarth, okay
[13:57] <jgdx> thank
[13:57] <jgdx> s
[13:58] <dbarth> mardy: ^^ the account-polld branch; has that been adopted into another silo last time we were talking about other merge proposals?
[13:58] <dbarth> otherwise, need to keep it on our radar for landing
[14:09] <mardy> dbarth: I don't think it has been adopted into another silo, but OTOH IIRC account-polld uses a special way of landing
[14:09] <mardy> dbarth: I remember that jenkins didn't know how to build it
[14:09] <mardy> jgdx: do you know more? ^ can we land account-polld via the citrain?
[14:12] <jgdx> mardy, I know ubuntu-push uses tarmac, but I haven't heard anything about the polld landing.
[14:13] <jgdx> dev branch -> automatic -> mp automatic against vivid-overlay|other stable branch -> citrain
[14:27] <dbarth> jgdx: well, so apparently you are the guy who can land account-polld branches; so feel free to adopt mardy's branch when you have the opportunity
[14:42] <jgdx> dbarth, appearances may be deceiving.
[14:42] <jgdx> but sure
[14:48] <dbarth> ;)
[16:26] <ogra_> beuno, hey ho ... my phone has a trello update fro version 0.22 that i get offered since about three weeks evry day (seems to never upgrade even though it tells me it did once i tapped on upgrade) ... where do i look for debug data for you guys (to find if thats a store or a phone prob)
[16:27] <popey> ogra_: disk space?
[16:28] <ogra_> nope, all other apps upgrade fine
[16:28] <ogra_> and there should still be plenty
[16:28] <popey> click list, what version is installed?
[16:29] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ df -h /dev/mmcblk0p7
[16:29] <ogra_> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[16:29] <ogra_> /dev/mmcblk0p7  4,1G  3,0G  865M  78% /home
[16:29] <ogra_> diskspace should be fine
[16:29] <ogra_> oooh
[16:29] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ click list|grep trello
[16:29] <ogra_> com.ubuntu.developer.mreese.trello	0.19
[16:29] <ogra_> trello.mreese	0.22
[16:30] <ogra_> thats interesting
[16:30] <popey> :)
[16:30] <popey> I have seen this
[16:30] <popey> when the developer changes namespace it screws up
[16:30] <popey> JamesTait: ^
[16:31] <JamesTait> popey, you only even ping me with bad news. 😉
[16:31] <popey> I know, right!?
[16:32] <popey> the filename of his app is com.ubuntu.developer.mreese.trello_0.22_all.click but inside it's probably changed.
[16:32] <JamesTait> Indeed. I think you pinged me with the same thing from another developer last week?
[16:33] <JamesTait> And I'm pretty sure it was fixed - but obviously that only helps for new uploads.
[16:34] <pmcgowan> JamesTait, fixed by detecting at submission?
[16:39] <ogra_> well, i uploaded sprintclub-nitro yesterday .. simply usinteh old namespace ... that seems to have worked flawless ... probably the sotre should tell the dev to better just keep the existing namespace
[16:39] <ogra_> *using the
[16:39] <JamesTait> pmcgowan, I believe so.
[16:53] <Guest42341> split?
[17:49] <daniel_>  Hi is it possible to install ubuntu touch on a ZTE open C that already has firefoxOS on? never got any updates with the OS hence need to change
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> !devices | daniel_
[17:53] <ubot5`> daniel_: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[17:53] <popey> daniel_: unlikely, that's a really low spec device
[17:56] <daniel_> mmm thats a shame!! i heard android runs on it! was hoping to rejuvenate this phone and what better of a way then to install ubuntu touch
[17:58] <mhall119> oSoMoN: the webbrowser-app crashes a lot on my desktop, is that a known problem or something I can fix?
[18:20] <oSoMoN> mhall119, not a known issue, please file a bug with as many details as you can
[18:27] <mhall119> oSoMoN: where can I get logs or crash reports when running it on Unity 7?
[18:29] <oSoMoN> mhall119, crash reports in the usual place (/var/crash/), not sure about logs, does it crash if you run webbrowser-app in a terminal?
[18:59] <jnxd> cyphermox: A couple of weeks ago, I had talked to you about a bug regarding proxies (http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/10/01/%23ubuntu-touch.html, from ~13:18). I just wanted to know if the bug I mentioned is enough for a report, or should a report be made somewhere else too. Or if a bug is reported, can you link me to it?
[19:02] <cyphermox> jnxd: looks like it's private now?
[19:03] <cyphermox> this bug report should be sufficient to fix webbrowser-app if other apps work properly
[19:03] <jnxd> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1452291 it was this one wasn't it? I can see it alright, and it doesn't have a 150+ heat that a private bug would have
[19:03] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1452291 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu RTM) "Browser cannot use system proxy settings" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:04] <cyphermox> I suppose I had the wrong link
[19:04] <cyphermox> still, should be enough as it is, I think
[19:04] <jnxd> cyphermox: webbrowser-app works properly once I edit /etc/environment
[19:04] <cyphermox> ok
[19:04] <jnxd> (I'd like a GUI frontend for that, but that's okay)
[19:05] <cyphermox> well, same for the gui really, it's just up to the developers to design and implement it, your bug is fine :)
[19:06] <cyphermox> I'm not likely going to be the person to do this work, especially not at this point with the release of 15.10 being next week :)
[19:06] <jnxd> but apps that are not web-apps don't work under any circumstance
[19:06] <jnxd> cyphermox: BTW, It's not a bug I reported
[19:07] <cyphermox> ok
[19:08] <jnxd> cyphermox: which is why I believe there should be a bug filed somewhere at a higher level, but I can't really tell where since I don't have sufficient know-how
[19:08] <cyphermox> system-settings sounds like the right place when it comes to implementing a proxy settings panel
[19:09] <cyphermox> lemme update the bug accordingly.
[19:11] <jnxd> cyphermox: which bug are you updating? in case you file new ones, please link me to them so I can subscribe to them
[19:13] <cyphermox> I just updated the one you pointed me to
[19:19] <jnxd> cyphermox: okay. I just added a bit of info to it. Is it okay if I confirm it?
[19:19] <cyphermox> sure. you said you're not the person who filed it initially, so it's fine
[19:22] <jnxd> cyphermox: I meant the part about system-settings (I believe it should be a different feature request bug, but I'll follow your judgment). You added it, but I mentioned it to you, so practically I'm the reporter, right?
[19:22] <cyphermox> well, I can confirm it, so it's fine to set it to Confirmed
[19:23] <cyphermox> mpt already commented, it's probably fine to have the bug as-is
[19:23] <jnxd> cyphermox: is mpt the guy in charge of it?
[19:25] <cyphermox> he's one of the designers who might do the design for a panel
[19:26] <jnxd> cyphermox: okay. what about the global part then, the one where no other app works? Should it be mentioned in net-work manager or something?
[22:39] <ogra_> jdstrand, hmm, https://plus.google.com/+SzymonWaliczek/posts/3jbG2uiAniF do we have a security issue ?


[06:38] <tjaalton> RAOF: did you notice the email from dholbach to mir-devel about libxkbcommon?
[06:38] <tjaalton> noone has commented yet
[06:39] <RAOF> Yeah, I haven't quite yet got around to testing it on the device.
[06:39] <RAOF> Sorry.
[06:39] <RAOF> It's almost certainly fine.
[06:43] <tjaalton> i put it on my test ppa
[06:43] <tjaalton> but you can surely build it too
[06:43] <RAOF> Indeed.


[01:19] <smoser> cloud-init does work with 2.6, harlowja uses it.
[01:19] <harlowja> usually works, ha
[01:19] <smoser> on centos, and keeps fixing it when we break it.
[01:19] <smoser> its not really terrible to keep support working jgrimm rharper roaksoax
[17:36] <robjo> Are nosetests3 and unittest3  Python 3 versions of these or version 3 of those utilities?
[17:41] <rharper> robjo: should be python3 versions of the package
[17:41] <robjo> thanks
[17:41] <rharper> for example, nosetests3 on my system shows a shebang of /usr/bin/python3 and in comments nose==1.3.7
[18:25] <smoser> for reasonably current versions of nose, you can just run with: $PYTHON -m nose
[18:26] <smoser> where PYTHON is the interpreter.  if you use python3 it will be python3, python2...
[18:31] <robjo> Well, the makefile prefers python3 over python2 thus a simple make test goes down the python3 path, of course I could have looked at this before I asked ;)
[18:31] <smoser> right. thats because python2 is EOL for several years :)
[18:32] <robjo> but the bigger problem is probably oauthlib for testing, anyway will have to sort that out if I have bigger changes ;)
[18:32] <robjo> well as distro people we are doing a good job of refusing to accept that fact ;)
[18:33] <robjo> python3 is only slowly becoming the default
[18:35] <robjo> UNrelated question, whatever happened to https://launchpad.net/cloud-util years ago I used it to pull the growpart script, where did it move?
[18:50] <smoser> add an s
[18:50] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/cloud-utils
[22:11] <ePh0x> Hi guys, having a little issue with extra_opts in disk_setup when trying to format an aws EBS with xfs -m crc=1 on a centos 7.2 machine running cloud-init 0.7.5. Has anyone come across a similar issue?


[09:49] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5568 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[09:49] <CIA-7> ubiquity: ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py: Remove a stray comma, which broke this
[09:49] <CIA-7> ubiquity: plugin.
[10:08] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5569 trunk/ (8 files in 5 dirs):
[10:08] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Parse a compact representation of keyboard layouts and variants on the
[10:08] <CIA-7> ubiquity: fly, rather than building them all into a giant static Python module.
[10:08] <CIA-7> ubiquity: This is much more memory-efficient.
[10:12] <StevenK> cjwatson: Nice! How much memory does that save?
[10:15] <cjwatson> I measured it at around 19M virt on i386
[10:16] <cjwatson> well, at ubiquity startup, which is the important bit as that's before swap is enabled
[10:16] <cjwatson> (fairly unscientific, this was just in top)
[10:17] <cjwatson> it uses a little more later when it actually reads the data, but only a few megabytes, and by then swap is generally in place
[10:24] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5570 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.11.17
[11:16] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1721 ubuntu/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Move to 3.5.0-5 kernels.
[11:17] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1722 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu158
[11:51] <jibel> I got bug 1026577 with ubiquity 2.11.16
[11:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1026577 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with TypeError in _execute_child(): Can't convert 'list' object to str implicitly" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1026577
[11:51] <cjwatson> Already fixed in .17
[11:52] <jibel> ok, closing then :)
[11:52] <cjwatson> Just did
[11:53] <cjwatson> Doing an amd64/i386 live CD rebuild now
[11:57] <cjwatson> grr, failed on amd64
[11:57] <cjwatson>  libreoffice-common : Breaks: libreoffice-core (>= 1:3.6~) but 1:3.6.0~rc2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:57] <cjwatson>  libreoffice-core : Depends: libreoffice-common (> 1:3.6.0~rc2) but 1:3.5.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:59] <cjwatson> But the amd64 daily build was from yesterday anyway, so doesn't suffer from 1026577