[09:57] <hile> the pcre-problem is fixed in debian's 2.0.53-4 packages, I think ubuntu follows these packages closely...
[09:57] <lOSTmONK> atm i just need to get a cd burnt
[09:58] <lOSTmONK> i dont really have the time to try and fix this now
[09:58] <topyli> lOSTmONK: you don't need k3b to do that :)
[09:58] <vishal> tritium: Thanks
[09:58] <hile> vishal: you need to install linux-headers-* package matching your kernel version
[09:58] <nr3884> console is enough
[09:58] <lOSTmONK> but man, i reeeeeeeeeeeeally hate trying to use cdrecord
[09:59] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK you can use natutilus if its just a data cd
[09:59] <shock> ?
[09:59] <topyli> lOSTmONK: take it as a lesson ;)
[09:59] <tritium> vishal, you already have them installed, and you're just trying to locate them?
[09:59] <shock> IOSTmONK
[09:59] <shock> whats the problem?
[09:59] <pdaoust> bestadvocate: hi, sorry, I use GNOME typing break to force me to get away from the computer, and it locked me out :) I don't know much about Vidalinux, but I do know Portage is a superb package manager, and if Vidalinux is a Gentoo derivative, then it inherits that Portage goodness
[09:59] <comanche> BWAHAHAHAHAHA...Sage can't parse XML.com's RSS feed
[09:59] <vishal> tritium: synaptic tells me i have linux-kernel-headers package installed
[09:59] <blah09> lOSTmONK, you could use gnomebaker...
[09:59] <joh_> Is libssl-dev broken in ubuntu warty ?
[09:59] <vishal> will that one do?
[10:00] <bestadvocate> pdaoust: it is, combined with anaconda.
[10:00] <vishal> hile/tritium: or will i need specific one?
[10:00] <topyli> shock: in short, lOSTmONK has a broken installation of debian/ubuntu packages and cannot install anything
[10:00] <hile> specific one
[10:00] <tritium> vishal, that package depends on a specific one
[10:00] <lOSTmONK> thats a pretty good sum
[10:00] <topyli> hehe
[10:01] <tritium> vishal, dpkg -l | grep linux-headers to find what's installed
[10:01] <shock> hm... so? nautolus-cd-burner should work fine
[10:01] <shock> its default
[10:01] <lOSTmONK> nautilus?
[10:01] <shock> in ubuntu
[10:01] <lOSTmONK> isnt in the menu
[10:01] <umarmung> Am I the only one that lost removable medias in nautilus' computer location? On Warty I could see my usb stick when mounted, now I don't (running hoary).
[10:01] <vishal> nothing comes up
[10:01] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK: thats like being an 8 year old who found out he not going to get any bigger
[10:01] <shock> er... just insert a blank cd
[10:02] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK yah the file manager can burn data cds easy
[10:02] <topyli> lOSTmONK: sure. it's in nautilus, look at the Places menu, there's cd creator. drag files in there and burn away
[10:02] <shock> and isos
[10:02] <lOSTmONK> oh, i dont know nautilus
[10:02] <lOSTmONK> im gnome-illeterate
[10:02] <shock> just right-click on an iso
[10:02] <topyli> lOSTmONK: you use kde?
[10:02] <lOSTmONK> yeah
[10:02] <topyli> ah
[10:02] <shock> and select "write to cd"
[10:02] <shock> oh ok
[10:02] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK: my spelling lost you?
[10:03] <lOSTmONK> nope
[10:03] <bestadvocate> *pun intended
[10:03] <leitao> please, my X is not going up. how could it be reconfigured automatically?
[10:03] <topyli> lOSTmONK: do you still have gnome installed?
[10:03] <hile> tritium: I don't say anything, running hoary, but linux-kernel-headers package there seems to be useless (no depends)... but this is hoary,so...
[10:03] <lOSTmONK> yeah, im on gnome
[10:03] <shock> is k3b on your system?
[10:03] <topyli> lOSTmONK: well, then nautilus is wherever you open the file manager
[10:03] <shock> cause if it is its what you want
[10:03] <bestadvocate> hayho- i can install K3B, just not KDE, weird
[10:04] <tritium> hile, that's for development.
[10:04] <lOSTmONK> shock, i dont have kde on, but thats what i am used to
[10:04] <tritium> hile, you need linux-headers-#, where # matches the kernel version you're using
[10:04] <shock> can you tell me what it sais about why you cant install anything?
[10:04] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK you can still boot up nautilus with a file manager
[10:05] <topyli> lOSTmONK: just open any folder, and look at the Places menu. the cd burner is right there
[10:05] <bestadvocate> * with a consul
[10:05] <vi11e> can I install apps from .rpms in ubuntu?
[10:05] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK just start up nautilus within K3B i bet it works fine (don't know havn't used it since my days with Mandrake
[10:06] <bestadvocate> time to go to bed
[10:06] <hile> tritium: true, that's why I said 'I don't say anything, no reason to confuse anyone using stable versions with development version comments
[10:06] <Ribs> It'll probabily look really ugly tho, so brace yourself
[10:06] <topyli> vi11e: i don't recommend it, but you can always try alien
[10:06] <tritium> hile, what are you talking about?
[10:06] <vi11e> what is alien?
[10:06] <vi11e> I was thinking of trying this game http://foobillard.sunsite.dk/
[10:06] <tritium> hile, that has nothing to do with stable/unstable versions
[10:07] <topyli> vi11e: installs rpms and slack packages on debian
[10:07] <hile> tritium: i have no trouble compiling kernel modules, just wanted to note that on hoary the linux-kernel-headers package does not depend on anything
[10:07] <CarlK> wholy crap... mounting the iso worked
[10:07] <topyli> vi11e: there are debs for foobillard, don't use the rpm
[10:07] <vi11e> oh sweet
[10:07] <vi11e> why aren't they on the website
[10:07] <topyli> vi11e: you can apt-get it
[10:07] <glyph> CarlK: is there a nice clicky way to mount ISOs in ubuntu?
[10:08] <tritium> hile, no, but linux-headers-2.6.10-3 depends on linux-headers-2.6.10-arch
[10:08] <hile> yeah I know
[10:08] <tritium> hile, similar dependencies for linux-headers-686, etc.
[10:08] <vi11e> sweet, thanks
[10:08] <tritium> I wasn't talking about linux-kernel-headers ever
[10:08] <topyli> vi11e: if you enable the "universe" repository, you can apt-get pretty much the same things you can on debian
[10:08] <AndyR> bestadvocate, just about to send it to you in /priv window
[10:08] <bestadvocate> glyph: doesn't it do automagical things for you? I can't remember the last time I mounted something other than to add it to Fstab
[10:09] <bestadvocate> AndyR cool thanks
[10:09] <hile> tritium: someone else said something about it, that's what I commented, never mind
[10:09] <vi11e> ok
[10:09] <glyph> bestadvocate: not with ISO files :)
[10:09] <topyli> vi11e: unsupported of course, like debian tends to be =)
[10:09] <glyph> bestadvocate: I mean, I can click to burn it to a CD, but it would be cool if nautilus automatically did what the Mac "Disk Utility" did
[10:10] <Xappe> any news about the problems related to the switch to polypaudio?
[10:10] <tritium> Xappe, no, not so far.
[10:11] <vi11e> damn, it runs pretty slow and it slowed down my whole system...hmm
[10:11] <bestadvocate> glyph: i see your right that would be cool and clickety
[10:11] <blah09> hm any laptop peeps around?
[10:11] <tritium> blah09, no, only laptop poops
[10:11] <topyli> vi11e: your graphics drivers are not doing too good. which graphics card do you have?
[10:11] <Xappe> tritium, semms like people haven't noticed yet. only 35 ppl have read my post on the Hoary forum
[10:11] <vi11e> ati 9600 pro
[10:11] <vi11e> rad
[10:11] <glyph> Xappe: ... switch to polypaudio?
[10:11] <bestadvocate> blah09: alas ubuntu cashed and burned on the install to my laptop
[10:12] <glyph> Xappe: when does this happen?
[10:12] <tritium> Xappe, it'll probably take a little time
[10:12] <Xappe> glyph, it already has in Hoary
[10:12] <topyli> vi11e: there's help on the ubuntu wiki for installing the evil binary drivers for ati cards
[10:12] <blah09> =/
[10:13] <blah09> im having some issues with speedstep
[10:13] <blah09> its stuck at 600 =/
[10:13] <blah09> not the most pleasant speed to be compiling a kernet at
[10:13] <bestadvocate> ttfn
[10:13] <leitao> please, my x is not starting. how can i reconfigure it?
[10:14] <MSG43> hi
[10:14] <MSG43> I need help
[10:14] <vi11e> Q: I have accelerated drivers installed - still Foobillard runs that slow...A: If you compiled Foobillard on your machine, you might link against the wrong libGL. There might be some older libGL or libGLMesa lying around. You have to ensure that the link libGL.so without the trailing version numbers (e.g. libGL.so.0.3.2) points to the accelerated lib.
[10:14] <MSG43> when try to mount ndiswrapper I get this error
[10:14] <MSG43> root@ubuntu:~/netgear # modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:14] <MSG43> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[10:14] <vi11e> could be smth like this hmm
[10:14] <vi11e> I didn't compile, could it link it to wrong libgl
[10:14] <empe> do you need to put in ddr in pairs?
[10:15] <blah09> no
[10:15] <topyli> vi11e: you certainly need the ati drivers to play a 3d game like foobillard. next time, buy a matrox card :)
[10:15] <vi11e> ok
[10:15] <blah09> only dual channel DDR
[10:15] <empe> ahh thanks
[10:15] <topyli> vi11e: maybe you didn't specify the newly built driver in your X config file?
[10:15] <nixerx> can someone help me set up a ppp dialup account.
[10:16] <delltony> anyone here had any luck getting dvdshrink to actually work correctly in wine?
[10:17] <vi11e> maybe I didn't because I am a real new for linux :S
[10:17] <vi11e> maybe I don't have ati installed
[10:17] <nixerx> delltony have you tried using wintools to configure wine?
[10:17] <topyli> vi11e: i found the instructions: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:17] <delltony> the winesetup thing? or is that different?
[10:18] <MSG43> when I try to modprobe ndiswrapper I get this error
[10:18] <MSG43> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[10:18] <MSG43> please help
[10:18] <nixerx> delltony, differnet than winesetup
[10:18] <delltony> oh ok
[10:18] <delltony> then no i haven't
[10:18] <dsw> hello l update to hoary and resolution is 800x600 l can,t works 1024x800
[10:18] <vi11e> linux restricted modules <IP_ADDRESS>-1.1 hmm.. how could I check my kernel version again? I remember tho it was smth 2.6.8
[10:18] <nixerx> Its pretty nice. Ill sed yo the link
[10:18] <lOSTmONK> wow
[10:18] <nixerx> http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/
[10:18] <dsw> whit xfree86 it works fine
[10:18] <tezza> vi11e: uname -r
[10:18] <lOSTmONK> i cant even access my gmail
[10:18] <nixerx> Maybe itll help.
[10:18] <tritium> Xappe, what are you trying to run in wine?
[10:19] <topyli> MSG43: i was told by the guy who told you to use the urpmi command that he's sorry. he ment apt-get of course :)
[10:19] <delltony> ok thanks
[10:19] <nixerx> delltony, np
[10:19] <MSG43> topyli: ok I didn't work but I did get it installed
[10:19] <MSG43> but I can't modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:19] <nixerx> Anyone know how to set upa modem to dial as a regular user?
[10:19] <blah09> isnt there a gnome wizard to do that?
[10:20] <vi11e> hmm my kernel is 2.6.10-2-386. what exactly means this: Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= <IP_ADDRESS>.1-1 <--?
[10:20] <dsw> Anyone can say me the fv and fh of a tft 15"
[10:20] <Xappe> tritium, nothing right now, but I've had huge amounts of trouble and instability trying to get dc++ to run
[10:20] <delltony> which do you recommend the gzip or the rpm and convert it with alien?
[10:20] <nixerx> blah09, Yes but for what ever reson it dosent activate the ppp connection...however I can wvdial
[10:20] <tritium> Xappe, did you try wine and winetools .deb from winehq.com ?
[10:21] <dsw> anyone works hoary whit Xfree86?
[10:21] <nixerx> delltony, see if synaptic has it in universe
[10:21] <delltony> i looked didn't see it
[10:21] <leitao> could anyone help me with X?
[10:21] <topyli> vi11e: you'll have to install linux-restricted-modules and it has to be the same version your kernel is
[10:21] <nixerx> delltony, you could use alien.
[10:22] <delltony> ok
[10:22] <Xappe> tritium, yes and no. I added the wine repo to get the latest, but winetools i've never even heard of
[10:22] <nixerx> leitao, Ill try,.
[10:22] <tritium> Xappe, winetools is setup to allow you to install DC++, whatever that is.
[10:22] <blah09> do the nvidia drivers work ok in xorg?
[10:22] <tritium> Xappe, winetools is awesome.
[10:22] <nixerx> blah09, They did under slack
[10:22] <MSG43> I'm switching to another distro
[10:22] <Xappe> tritium, a dc client. but now a port of it is in progress
[10:22] <blah09> hm ok thanks
[10:22] <tritium> Xappe, dc?
[10:22] <Xappe> tritium, direct connect
[10:23] <leitao> nixerx : thank you! ;-) When i installed ubuntu. the X was automatically configured. so i change some configuration inside XF86config. now it is not working anyone. i want that ubuntu automatically detect my vga board and configure my x again, as the first time. :-) Suggestion?
[10:23] <topyli> MSG43: won't help.  you'll have to face the same problems on anything
[10:23] <tritium> Xappe, what is it used for?  Here's the url: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[10:23] <blah09> xappe DC++ works in wine...
[10:23] <tezza> anyone able to get a depress on their laptop touchpad to click?
[10:23] <leitao> s/anyone/anymore/
[10:23] <nixerx> leitao, try X --configure as root
[10:23] <blah09> tezza it works for me
[10:23] <nixerx> now wait
[10:23] <Xappe> blah09, yes I know. but it crashes too much
[10:23] <blah09> oh
[10:23] <leitao> nixerx : thx i'll try
[10:23] <MobyTurbo> topyli, he's already left the channel
[10:23] <blah09> ive never had issues
[10:24] <tritium> Xappe, here's winetools (available in .deb from winehq.com repos): http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/
[10:24] <nixerx> leitao,dpkg-reconfigure Xfree*^ or something like that
[10:24] <blah09> can i check whether im running xfree or xorg?
[10:24] <topyli> MobyTurbo: yeah, noticed it too late
[10:24] <Xappe> blah09, and now I'm running linuxdc++
[10:24] <blah09> linuxdc++?
[10:24] <blah09> is that new?
[10:24] <nixerx> blah09, check your config file.
[10:24] <delltony> ok nix quick question after installing whats the command to set it up
[10:24] <Xappe> blah09, yes. not fully stable yet, but I like it so far...
[10:24] <tezza> blah09: can you show me your X config?
[10:24] <delltony> so i don't have to do dpkg -L to find which file its using
[10:24] <blah09> yep tezza ill pm it to you
[10:25] <Xappe> tritium, I'll check it out
[10:25] <nixerx> Where did it get installed to?
[10:25] <nixerx> you can check the package proertirs under synaptic
[10:25] <tritium> Xappe, cool.
[10:25] <nixerx> *properties*
[10:26] <nixerx> Sound Juicer kicks ass!
[10:26] <delltony> must be wt?
[10:26] <tritium> beats the interface in grip
[10:26] <nixerx> sound bout right delltony
[10:26] <nixerx> tritium, Yep and I loved grip
[10:26] <topyli> nixerx: yeah. "sound quality: coming soon!"
[10:26] <delltony> alright gonna try is the interfact faily straightforward
[10:26] <delltony> or do i need to take up rocket science?
[10:27] <tritium> topyli, sound profiles are available now with soundjuicer
[10:27] <nixerx> delltony, do the basic first you canalways tweak later.
[10:27] <topyli> tritium: oh? good news!
[10:27] <vi11e> topyli, the download pack is about size of 20M or 40M or something like few kb? I found this: http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/
[10:27] <tritium> topyli, you're not running Hoary?
[10:28] <nixerx> topyli, I rip to flack anyway
[10:28] <topyli> tritium: no, i got tired of it and downgraded
[10:28] <nixerx> *flac*
[10:28] <tritium> topyli, I see
[10:28] <delltony> any idea on this ?
[10:28] <delltony> /usr/local/bin/wt: line 1617: /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: No such file or directory
[10:28] <delltony> cat: /usr/local/winetools/README.20050111: No such file or directory
[10:28] <delltony> /usr/local/bin/wt: line 1642: /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: No such file or directory
[10:28] <seacyd> Hi, I am experiencing a lot of total freezes recently. I had upgraded to hoary recently. Where can I see what causes the lock? In which log do I have to look at?
[10:28] <blah09> hehe Lindo
[10:28] <blah09> kotor2 is awesome :)
[10:28] <topyli> tritium: a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do. like work and stuff :)
[10:28] <Lindo> it is isnt it :D
[10:28] <nixerx> delltony, did you use the tabal;?
[10:28] <tritium> topyli, for sure
[10:28] <Xappe> blah09, http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/
[10:29] <blah09> oh thanks
[10:29] <blah09> is that by any chance the same as dcgui-qt?
[10:29] <delltony> no i only installed winetools from that rpm
[10:29] <delltony> and wine thats all
[10:29] <tritium> delltony, use winetools .deb
[10:29] <Lindo> blah09 u darkside or lightside ? :p
[10:29] <seacyd> With total freeze I mean that neither mouse nor keyboard can be used. I have to pull the plug and do a restart.
[10:29] <Xappe> blah09, no, it's a dc++ port
[10:29] <delltony> there is a deb for it?
[10:29] <nixerx> delltony, did you alien
[10:29] <delltony> yes
[10:29] <tritium> delltony, yes, from winehq.com
[10:29] <blah09> lindo im playing dark
[10:29] <mirak> anyone use colinx here ?
[10:29] <mirak> colinux
[10:29] <delltony> ok let me try that one then hang on
[10:30] <blah09> Lindo you?
[10:30] <vi11e> I have the same freeze seacyd
[10:30] <tritium> delltony, http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[10:30] <Lindo> blah09: nice, im playin light :P
[10:30] <blah09> thanks Xappe
[10:30] <tritium> delltony, add those repos, then apt-get install winetools
[10:30] <blah09> well ill probably play a light male next time round
[10:30] <seacyd> ville: So happy to be online, now?
[10:30] <Lindo> hehe
[10:30] <seacyd> ville: Any reason for that?
[10:30] <Xappe> blah09, and I totally hate the dcgui-qt (now known as Valknut) ui
[10:30] <vi11e> I get it not often but sometimes
[10:30] <Lindo> how far into the game are you ?
[10:30] <blah09> i hate dcgui too =)
[10:30] <vi11e> and I don't have any idea... I am new to linu
[10:30] <blah09> lindo i just built the sabre, i started on dantooine
[10:30] <blah09> saber*
[10:31] <Lindo> okay :D
[10:31] <blah09> double bladed, red =)
[10:31] <vi11e> didn't try to solve it yet, since it doesn't happen too often
[10:31] <blah09> you?
[10:31] <Lindo> i got a single purple one :P
[10:31] <blah09> =)
[10:31] <blah09> i mean how far in are you
[10:31] <Xappe> blah09, the only way to install linuxdcpp is by cvs though
[10:31] <Lindo> off hand a vibroblade
[10:31] <blah09> oh =/
[10:31] <seacyd> ville: ok, unfortunately it is occuring 8/10 when I start the computer
[10:31] <blah09> hm dont they have short sabers?
[10:31] <linux-rulz> Hey all, I just installed the kernel security update released today, but my linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386 package refuses to update, is this normal?
[10:31] <blah09> i recall using one in the first game
[10:31] <Xappe> blah09, but it's easy to accomplish
[10:31] <tritium> linux-rulz, no, but it's a temporary problem right now
[10:32] <linux-rulz> ah, ok, just making sure it wasnt only me
[10:32] <Lindo> blah09: havent found one yet
[10:32] <vi11e> oh , that's real bad then
[10:32] <blah09> ok ill give linuxdc++ a shot
[10:32] <Lindo> blah09 im on nar shaddaa right now, already been to dantooine :D
[10:32] <blah09> ah ok =)
[10:32] <blah09> a little further then
[10:32] <blah09> the Disciple hates me i think :)
[10:32] <CarlK> hoary install asking me to pick a kernel - where are they discribed?
[10:32] <linux-rulz> My kernel has spit a couple of error messages back at me about my external DVD burner since I upgraded, do you think this is because of the restricted modules?
[10:32] <Xappe> blah09, a good thing is that it is gtk
[10:33] <topyli> vi11e: no freezes or crashes are acceptable. this system does not freeze or crash
[10:33] <blah09> nice =)
[10:33] <Lindo> disciple is eeeeeeevviiillllll i think :PP
[10:33] <seacyd> yes, :-(
[10:34] <topyli> vi11e: what i mean is there's something badly wrong if you get those :)
[10:34] <vi11e> Yes, I believe I need some tweaking to do. So do you know which log files we could check cornerning about those freezes Topyli?
[10:34] <topyli> vi11e: dunno. what is it that freezes?
[10:35] <vi11e> well, my system freezes sometimes if I just hmm.. for example try eject one of my dvd's which has a bad scratch at some sector, dvd-rw can be burnt up to 1.8gb anymore
[10:35] <vi11e> nothing happens, keyboard and mouse stops responding
[10:35] <tritium> delltony, did you try it?
[10:35] <delltony> working on it
[10:35] <delltony> almost done
[10:36] <seacyd> topyli: if I may join in, for me it is mouse and keyboard, no way to do ALT..Backspace
[10:36] <Xappe> blah09, here's a screenshot: http://www.delta.se/~jon/Screenshot3.png (yes, it's called Wulfor reloaded)
[10:36] <seacyd> topyli: it occurs after login in as user, I see the splash, then it stops
[10:36] <vi11e> me couldn't either.... can you do ctrl+alt+F2 or to console
[10:36] <seacyd> ville: no, nothing
[10:36] <delltony> ok got the gui on winetools now any thing special i need to know
[10:36] <topyli> vi11e: that sounds like a bug to me
[10:37] <vi11e> for me it happens after hours of use
[10:37] <delltony> before proceedin?
[10:37] <kent> If i add a printer with the cupsdeamon on localhost:631,  how do i make that printer show up in gnome programs? I can print with lpr -Pprintername from a terminal, but i cant realy ask my brother to do that when he wants to print :(
[10:37] <topyli> seacyd: usually i blame video drivers on those :)
[10:37] <vi11e> yea probably, then I get more often programs freezing, like openoffice word processor froze when I was pressing the save button today :P
[10:38] <delltony> base install first right
[10:38] <delltony> then just go down the menu?
[10:38] <seacyd> toplyi: might be, with warty this never happend, no with (unstable) hoary it is happening
[10:38] <tritium> delltony, are you asking me?
[10:38] <seacyd> topyli: sorry for spelling you wrongly
[10:39] <tritium> delltony, yes, base install
[10:39] <delltony> yes
[10:39] <topyli> seacyd: ah, hoary =)
[10:39] <blah09> Xappe that is slick
[10:39] <vi11e> hmm topyli about installing the restricted module, am I supposed to download a .bin file from some ubuntu website and then simply install it or can I get it thru apt-get aswell?
[10:39] <blah09> although the name is a little... unfortunate :)
[10:39] <tritium> delltony, what do you intend to run under wine?
[10:39] <seacyd> topyli: maybe I find out how to downgrade to warty warthog
[10:39] <delltony> dvdshrink hopefully
[10:39] <tritium> I see
[10:40] <topyli> vi11e: you can apt-get it. what processor do you have?
[10:40] <delltony> remove existing wine config yes or no?
[10:40] <CarlK> delltony - check out #winehq
[10:40] <delltony> ok
[10:40] <vi11e> amd athlon
[10:40] <vi11e> i386 version to dl mm
[10:42] <seacyd> downgrading seems not an real option. There are big warnings of having a broken system thereafter. Not much of change though.
[10:42] <topyli> vi11e: so, you can apt-get install linux-image-k7 and linux-restricted-modules-k7 and they will always depend on the latest kernel and modules
[10:42] <seacyd> But isn't there a log where I can look at?
[10:43] <vi11e> dmesg
[10:43] <vi11e> or tail /var/log/messages
[10:43] <vi11e> check those if nothing comes up :P
[10:43] <topyli> seacyd: downgrading debian is pain
[10:43] <vi11e> ok topyli
[10:44] <seacyd> ville and topyli: ok and never look back
[10:44] <topyli> heh
[10:44] <leitao> please, i have booted a scsi kernel. now i need to access hda, but the kernel doesnt see it. what can i do? should i add some ide module?
[10:44] <topyli> leitao: what's a scsi kernel?
[10:45] <delltony> tritium: i'll be back in a ew mins thanks to you and other for the help
[10:45] <tritium> delltony, np
[10:45] <tritium> leitao, not sure what you mean, but try modprobing ide_disk
[10:45] <leitao> topyli : humn. i kernel that dont see ide, but booted from a scsi disk.
[10:45] <leitao> tritium : nothing. :-(
[10:46] <topyli> hrmpf
[10:46] <topyli> sorry, never had scsi disks here
[10:46] <leitao> topyli : ;-)
[10:47] <fuldls> how can i can antialiased fonts in my emacs?
[10:47] <topyli> fuldls: dream on :)
[10:48] <Ribs> lol
[10:48] <fuldls> its possible, is saw a bench of screenshots
[10:48] <topyli> fuldls: try to get a perfectly sized font for your resolution, that's the best you can do
[10:49] <topyli> fuldls: really? someone has done this?
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> well
[10:49] <seacyd> leitao: Maybe: have you compiled SCSI support into the kernel, rather than as a module?
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> if it's running in a terminal
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> it's straightforward
[10:50] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: sure, a gnome-terminal or konsole is different
[10:50] <leitao> seacyd : i dont know. it is the ubuntu default. i installed ubuntu 3 minutes ago!
[10:50] <fuldls> topyl, yeah
[10:50] <seacyd> topyli, ville: Looked at messages, the last lines had something to do with gconfd. Where does it leave me here?
[10:51] <delltony> okay tritium after the base install i see install addition software and all much like crossover and all
[10:51] <tritium> delltony, yep
[10:51] <delltony> my question is how do i install dvdshrink or just do the manual wine <exe> ?
[10:51] <fuldls> http://www.marcelotoledo.org/stuff/screenshots/emacs21_antialiased
[10:51] <seacyd> leitao: not sure, would guess it to be module. Do a lsmod to list all modules.
[10:52] <leitao> seacyd : my scsi is supported by a module. aic7xxx.
[10:52] <topyli> seacyd: sometimes it's good to delete .ICEauthority (or such) files from /tmp and your home. perhaps ~/.gconfd too
[10:52] <topyli> seacyd: ~/.xauthority too
[10:53] <topyli> seacyd: but you'll have to do that from the console before logging in to gnome
[10:53] <seacyd> delltony: manual wine dvdshrink.exe should work for installing it
[10:53] <thundrcleeze> topyli, why is it good to delete them?  Aren't they needed?
[10:53] <vi11e> hmm I hope did right, i installed those k7 both... maybe I could now go back to installing those ati fglrx's
[10:54] <delltony> ok
[10:54] <topyli> thundrcleeze: they are useful, as long as they don't get messed up. remember, seacyd is running hoary
[10:54] <delltony> i was just wondering never used winetools before
[10:54] <delltony> will try
[10:54] <crimsun_> hola tsj*
[10:54] <thundrcleeze> topyli, what is their function?
[10:54] <topyli> vi11e: you'll have your new kernel running only after a reboot
[10:54] <topyli> thundrcleeze: session management
[10:55] <topyli> i guess :)
[10:55] <thundrcleeze> If I deleted them, would they automatically be re-created if they are messed up?
[10:55] <topyli> where are the gnome gurus when you need them?
[10:55] <topyli> thundrcleeze: yes
[10:55] <crimsun_> the gnome gurus are "around"
[10:56] <seacyd> topyli: yes, I had expected session saving is causing havoc. Though I liked it so much, just being able to leave the computer and restart there
[10:56] <topyli> crimsun_: they just let me make an arse of myself before intervening :)
[10:56] <vi11e> Package fglrx-driver is a virtual package provided by:
[10:56] <vi11e>   xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5  xfree86-driver-fglrx 4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5You should explicitly select one to install.E: Package fglrx-driver has no installation candidate
[10:57] <topyli> vi11e: how come you have xorg packages there? are you running hoary?
[10:57] <vi11e> yup
[10:57] <topyli> pfft
[10:57] <topyli> well, are you running xfree or xorg now?
[10:58] <vi11e> puuh, I believe xfree... these terms are unknown to me....=S
[10:58] <tritium> delltony, sorry, I didn't see your message without my nick
[10:58] <tritium> Anyway, I need to get going.
[10:58] <tritium> good luck
[10:58] <seacyd> topyli and others: Thanks for the chat and tips, I have to go.
[10:59] <delltony> tritium:  this help
[10:59] <delltony> ?
[10:59] <seacyd> good luck ville
[10:59] <tritium> delltony, yes ;)
[10:59] <vi11e> I think I should read some before going for things... I thort I knew enough though, but it seems controlling linux needs still more
[10:59] <topyli> vi11e: don't believe, check with X -version
[10:59] <tritium> delltony, but I'm leaving now.  Good luck.  Bye.
[10:59] <delltony> tritium: thanks later
[11:00] <vi11e> heh,.. amused, it says xorg actually
[11:00] <vi11e> this is the pre-realease versino of x.org foundation x11
[11:00] <topyli> vi11e: controlling ubuntu is easy. you're playing with an unstable development version. anyway, you need to specify the xorg version of the driver of course
[11:01] <topyli> vi11e: you also need to reboot before you're running the correct kernel
[11:02] <vi11e> X Window System Version <IP_ADDRESS>2 (6.8.2 RC 2) (Ubuntu 6.8.1-1ubuntu16<PHONE_NUMBER>0945<EMAIL_ADDRESS> OS Kernel: Linux version 2.6.10-2-386 (buildd@mcmurdo) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-6ubuntu1))
[11:02] <raven3x7> hello again
[11:02] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-3-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 2001.082 MHz Bogomips: 3964.92 Mem: 282/504M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 74.26G Free: 27.30G Procs: 87 Uptime: 2 days 13 hrs 43 mins 48 secs Load: 2.03 1.77 2.02  Screen: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 3.49G Out: 1.01G
[11:02] <vi11e> I need a reboot now topyli, a moment
[11:02] <zenrox> hehehe
[11:02] <zenrox> me runs off
[11:03] <topyli> vi11e: yep. you just installed a kernel for your athlon, but you're still running an 386 (intel) kernel
[11:03] <topyli> hrmpf
[11:03] <zenrox> what
[11:03] <topyli> grr
[11:04] <raven3x7> can anyone tell me were ubuntu has the makefile which contains the rules for kernel module compiling? its not in /usr/include/linux
[11:04] <topyli> raven3x7: it's in /boot
[11:05] <zenrox> raven3x7,  search the wiki for kernel compile
[11:05] <eliasson> Hi, what can i do when my workstation stops to respond when i run 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', it stops when it says 'Preconfiguring packages...'.
[11:05] <eliasson> Very strang.
[11:05] <raven3x7> thanks
[11:05] <zenrox> eliasson,  it might take some time
[11:05] <floater> topyli: heh...ok
[11:05] <zenrox> if its a slow machine
[11:05] <eliasson> zenrox: on my laptop it took about 30 secounds.
[11:06] <eliasson> and this computer is 4th times faster.
[11:06] <zenrox> hmm
[11:06] <blah09> hey how do i defrag my drive in linux?
[11:06] <mjt> is it really stops responding?
[11:06] <mjt> blah09: you don't
[11:06] <zenrox> eliasson,  restart in recovery mode and run that command
[11:06] <eliasson> i can stop the script.
[11:06] <zenrox> then reboot
[11:06] <eliasson> ctrl + c
[11:07] <zenrox> and all is dandy
[11:07] <zenrox> ya crtl+c
[11:07] <eliasson> recovery mode?
[11:07] <topyli> blah09: why would you do that?
[11:07] <zenrox> in the grub boot loader
[11:07] <eliasson> hmm, do you think that will help?
[11:07] <zenrox> then run apt-get ************
[11:07] <blah09> i dont know
[11:07] <eliasson> i try, hold
[11:07] <blah09> dont you have to?
[11:08] <vi11e> topyli: so how do I install the fglrx-driver now? it says about the candidate thing and mentions xorg and xfree. X -version now shows k7 as kernel
[11:08] <eliasson> nah, i can still stop the script.
[11:08] <zenrox> eliasson,  cause its conflicting with the curent running one
[11:08] <Neil3> blah09, as far as i know, the ext3 filesystem doesn't suffer badly from fragmentation and looks after itself aparantly
[11:09] <zenrox> Neil3,  the joys of journling
[11:09] <topyli> vi11e: i have no idea, i always buy matrox cards. look at the instruction on the wiki. :) just make sure you install the right driver for your linux-image-k7 kernel
[11:09] <Neil3> but how exactly does it avoid fragmentation?
[11:09] <vi11e> oki
[11:09] <Neil3> cause i've googled this but not found much, except things that say you don't need to defrag
[11:09] <zenrox> Neil3,  i writes the exact file location
[11:10] <topyli> vi11e: i have an ati card at work, but no need for 3d there so the X drivers are fine for me
[11:10] <mjt> zenrox: fragmentation (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with journalling
[11:10] <eliasson> same thing in recovery mode :(
[11:10] <zenrox> to a noother place and if for some reasen dies dont casue the file to be fragment
[11:10] <eliasson> any other option? :(
[11:10] <eliasson> really want to run ubuntu
[11:11] <zenrox> eliasson,  try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:11] <topyli> eliasson: that's the spirit! =)
[11:11] <eliasson> its says that its not installed.
[11:12] <vi11e> oki... hummm , well apt-get suggest me to "explicitly choose one to install"
[11:12] <blah09> hm
[11:12] <zenrox> hmmm then try apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[11:12] <topyli> eliasson: ah. that might be a problem. :) do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> vi11e: if you are using xorg get the xorg one
[11:12] <blah09> what about ReiserFS? should be more or less the same right?
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> if you are using xfree86, get that
[11:12] <topyli> vi11e: then choose
[11:12] <vi11e> xserver-xorg
[11:12] <zenrox> hmmm then try apt-get install gdm
[11:12] <vi11e> this command?
[11:12] <zenrox> gdm will work too
[11:12] <eliasson> Xenguy: then it just says: 'Preconfiguring packages'.
[11:12] <vi11e> gdm hmm ok
[11:12] <vi11e> what's gdm then
[11:13] <topyli> vi11e: no the gdm comment was not for you
[11:13] <zenrox> nope
[11:13] <vi11e> =D
[11:13] <pestil> Hello! Who here is or has been involved in IT environments?
[11:13] <topyli> vi11e: what does it say again? paste the whole message
[11:13] <vi11e> Package fglrx-driver is a virtual package provided by:
[11:13] <vi11e>   xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5
[11:13] <vi11e>   xfree86-driver-fglrx 4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5
[11:13] <vi11e> You should explicitly select one to install.
[11:14] <vi11e> ahh, bad paste with irssi... x-chat had this option to not flood
[11:14] <pestil> subterrific: are you here?
[11:14] <topyli> vi11e: so, you want xorg-driver-fglrx. do "apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx"
[11:14] <zenrox>  xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5 <--specify that
[11:14] <Pluk>
[11:14] <eliasson> any idea why he install works on my laptop but not on my workstation?
[11:14] <Pluk> oops
[11:15] <zenrox> eliasson,  dont know maby nonstd.. hardware
[11:15] <topyli> eliasson: different hardware i guess
[11:15] <pestil> Can anybody suggest a channel for IT-specific help?
[11:15] <mjt> what's it-specific help, really?
[11:15] <topyli> pestil: that's not very specific
[11:15] <eliasson> shall i download another artiecture? 1586?
[11:15] <eliasson> insted of u386?
[11:15] <pestil> As part of a Software Storage Management solution, I am trying to find for a way to log the output to printers
[11:16] <eliasson> i*
[11:16] <topyli> eliasson: what is your arch?
[11:16] <mjt> eliasson: what it is trying to install, exactly?
[11:16] <eliasson> topyli: i dont know, how can i check that?
[11:16] <eliasson> mjt: xfree.
[11:16] <topyli> eliasson: is it a pc? a mac?
[11:16] <eliasson> xserver.
[11:16] <blah09> does anyone know whether epiphany uses the mozilla chrome library thing?
[11:16] <eliasson> topyli: pc.
[11:16] <topyli> eliasson: so get the i386 version
[11:17] <CarlK> just completed hoary server-expert - 800mb foot print - not bad
[11:17] <mjt> eliasson: does it want to install alot of packages, or just one?
[11:17] <eliasson> topyli: then i cant install xserver.
[11:17] <topyli> eliasson: what is your video card?
[11:17] <farruinn> blah09: I don't know about chrome, but I'm pretty sure it uses mozilla for parsing/rendering
[11:17] <eliasson> mjt: it downloads everyting and stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...'.
[11:17] <mjt> topyli: it's irrelevant for now
[11:17] <topyli> ah
[11:17] <mjt> eliasson: but it downloaded ONE package or MANY?
[11:17] <eliasson> topyli: GeForce 4 TI 4200 i think.
[11:18] <eliasson> mjt: many i think.
[11:18] <eliasson> i used "xserver-free86".
[11:18] <mjt> eliasson: do you use synaptic for install?
[11:18] <eliasson> synaptic?
[11:18] <mjt> or just apt-get?
[11:18] <CarlK> is there a web page(s) that show what packages are avliable?
[11:18] <eliasson> hmm, in apt?
[11:18] <eliasson> hold one moment.
[11:18] <johns_> apt-get search should do that
[11:19] <johns_> ah, apt-cache search
[11:19] <farruinn> CarlK: higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www is pretty useful
[11:19] <CarlK> thanks
[11:19] <blah09> thanks farruinn
[11:19] <blah09> so it should use the same plugins too then?
[11:19] <blah09> like mplayer, flash etc
[11:19] <mjt> eliasson: so, as it is failing somewhere, try to install packages it wanted to install one-by one, and find which one fails.  Somewhat.. boring stuff but at least you will know where the problem is, and can debug from that point.
[11:20] <farruinn> blah09: my guess would be yes, but I do'nt know for sure
[11:21] <mjt> eliasson: it should print a list of all pkgs it wants to install. so try some libs first, when some other things etc...
[11:21] <eliasson> mjr: hmm okey.
[11:21] <mjt> s/mjr/mjt/ ;)
[11:21] <eliasson> cant i do 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'?
[11:22] <mjt> who knows ;)
[11:22] <eliasson> with some parameters that shows me some debug?
[11:22] <mjt> eliasson: since it is failing somewhere, and xserver is a "part" of ubuntu-desktop, it may fail too. or may not fail, as we don't yet know why it is failing...
[11:23] <eliasson> how can i get what packages that is in xserver?
[11:23] <eliasson> and install them one by one.
[11:23] <mjt> how are you trying to install it?
[11:23] <eliasson> xserver-xfree86
[11:23] <mjt> apt-get says someghting like "the following packages will be installed: blablabla"
[11:24] <eliasson> aha.
[11:24] <eliasson> okey
[11:24] <mjt> there's no such command "xserver-xfree86"
[11:24] <mjt> i asked not WHAT you're installing but HOW
[11:24] <eliasson> apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[11:24] <mjt> yeah, that's one ;)
[11:24] <mjt> are you installing warty or hoary?
[11:24] <johns_> eh, put a sudo in front of that
[11:24] <eliasson> warty.
[11:25] <mjt> k
[11:25] <eliasson> whats the difference?
[11:25] <topyli> phooh
[11:25] <hybrid> hello all
[11:25] <shock> hoi
[11:25] <topyli> eliasson: if you were running hoary you would get less help :)
[11:25] <zenrox> topyli,  not necerly
[11:26] <eliasson> oh.
[11:26] <zenrox> i am running hoary now
[11:26] <eliasson> is hoary unstable?
[11:26] <farruinn> hoary is in development
[11:26] <zenrox> not from a upgrad stand point eliasson
[11:26] <hybrid> any  one having giam problems??
[11:26] <topyli> zenrox: true. although the same applies as to debian unstable: you may run it if you can fix it when it breaks
[11:26] <zenrox> so thangs will be borken from time to time
[11:27] <zenrox> not me hybrid
[11:27] <hybrid> yea  but not many things break in hoary
[11:27] <hybrid> everytime ii try  to send  a  fille it    boots me
[11:27] <zenrox> thay seem to be quaily imporvements
[11:27] <zenrox> it just works
[11:27] <zenrox> with a little kick
[11:28] <topyli> hybrid: well, it seemed more broken that unstable last i looked
[11:28] <idahoe> Greetings
[11:28] <idahoe> Was anyone at LinuxWorld today?
[11:28] <hybrid> topyli i haavent had but 1 major break and 1 minor
[11:28] <hybrid> damn   g's gaim and gnome
[11:28] <topyli> nice :)
[11:29] <hybrid> yea
[11:29] <topyli> Things Are Advancing
[11:29] <hybrid> yes  they  are
[11:30] <topyli> personally, i'm drooling for gnome-2.10 but cannot afford a testing environment right now :(
[11:31] <hybrid> y cant you
[11:31] <topyli> hybrid: too busy
[11:31] <hybrid> o
[11:31] <popey> i have enabled xdmcp on my ubuntu boxen, but there's no way in gdm to choose to logon to a remote host.. why is this?
[11:32] <hybrid> <--- lovess linuxx hates long nites  well okk  nvm :P
[11:32] <popey> on my debian boxen they have the option in gdm for "session" where you can choose a remote xdmcp box to logon to
[11:33] <topyli> hybrid: arf
[11:33] <hybrid> arf?
[11:33] <farruinn> popey: you probably need the session file which may be provided by another package.  I've never done that though so I don't know
[11:33] <popey> k
[11:33] <popey> thanks
[11:34] <farruinn> I may be wrong but perhaps that's a start
[11:34] <AndyR> popey, :)
[11:35] <topyli> hybrid: i mean that as a word. or something that might come out of a man's mouth anyway. arf :)
[11:35] <hybrid> oo loll
[11:36] <topyli> hehe. you know, not a very happy man :)
[11:37] <hybrid> randabis online??
[11:38] <blah09> does anyone know if i can make epiphany only use tabs, no new windows?
[11:39] <CarlK> um, im trying to find things like gcc, x.org and mplayer on http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ and getting no hits - is it working?
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> wfm
[11:40] <CarlK> nm... now it works
[11:43] <eliasson> zenrox, mjt: it stops when im trying to install 'xserver-xfree86'.
[11:43] <eliasson> and in the apt it says that only that will be installed.
[11:44] <eliasson> anyone? :/
[11:45] <kent> I just saw that my monitor (Samsung syncmaster 959nf) can do 1600x1200 85hz, is it enough to just enter the mode 1600x1200 in xorg.conf, or do i need to do something else to get it to work with that resolution and hz? Right now, according to my monitor, it runs 1280x1024 in 85hz
[11:45] <tjs> im just doing a dist-upgrade to hoary from a fresh warty install, just about every python package that is to be installed gives me: python-*: Depends python (< 2.4) but 2.4-ubuntu6 is installed
[11:45] <CarlK> eliasson - so install xorg?
[11:45] <zenrox> eliasson,  then do a apt-get -f install xserver-xfree86
[11:45] <tjs> anyone else get this?
[11:46] <eliasson> xorg?
[11:46] <eliasson> CarlK?
[11:46] <zenrox> eliasson,  thats anothe option upgrade to hoary
[11:46] <eliasson> zenrox: that will that be good for?
[11:46] <CarlK> xorg is another X
[11:46] <eliasson> hmm
[11:46] <CarlK> I don't know if it is really an optoin for you
[11:46] <eliasson> will ubuntu-desktop work fine under that?
[11:47] <CarlK> I just installed hoary, and i think xorg is the default
[11:47] <zenrox> eliasson,  maby
[11:47] <eliasson> zenrox: same shit.
[11:47] <zenrox> try it
[11:47] <eliasson> i did.
[11:47] <eliasson> "Preconfiguring packages..."
[11:47] <mjt> eliasson: there are several ways to debug the prob, but they're quite.. complicated
[11:47] <eliasson> hmm
[11:48] <zenrox> eliasson,  try a fresh install (if thare is nother you dont moind lusing)
[11:48] <eliasson> cant you download it from scratch and compile it?
[11:48] <zenrox> not that i know of
[11:48] <eliasson> ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/
[11:48] <eliasson> whats that?
[11:48] <eliasson> just xfree?
[11:49] <zenrox> ya and thats hard to to
[11:49] <zenrox> do
[11:49] <eliasson> fuck :(
[11:49] <zenrox> eliasson,  ya add the sources for hoary and do a update
[11:49] <eliasson> apt source?
[11:49] <eliasson> can you give me the lines please?
[11:50] <eliasson> or
[11:50] <zenrox> eliasson let em pull up the link
[11:50] <blah09> just change your ubuntu sources from warty to hoary
[11:50] <eliasson> insted or "warty" on archive.ubunto.com?
[11:50] <eliasson> okey
[11:50] <mjt> eliasson: re "compiling from scratch": it's some packaging scripts (provided by ubuntu) which fails
[11:50] <blah09> then apt-get update
[11:51] <tjs> does anyone else find hoary to be broken like this?
[11:51] <eliasson> aha.
[11:51] <mjt> tjs: like that?
[11:51] <hybrid> is mono in the repos
[11:52] <tjs> mjt: Im trying to dis-upgrade to hoary from a fresh warty isntall, every python package fails to install with Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu6 is installed
[11:53] <tjs> its just totally vanilla warty from the 4.10 CD, changed the apt-source to hoary main and universe and then apt-get dist-upgrade hoary
[11:54] <Levande1> Is anyone running Bluefish 1.0 on Warty?
[11:55] <Levande1> I found a link to it by jdong on the ubuntu forums, but I don't know if he's saying the linked file works okay under Warty or Hoary?
[11:56] <fetus> hello :X
[11:57] <mjt> tjs: can you pls provide an example of any python package that fails?
[11:57] <howrealisreal> hey. i have a notebook with no floppy, how do i disable the floppy.ko module so i don't get an error on bootup?
[11:58] <howrealisreal> anyone here?
[11:58] <eliasson> ye
[11:59] <hybrid> *notes  thaat  kde lovers shoulld checck out  tux mag*
[11:59] <howrealisreal> do you know how to disable floppy.ko? i have no floppy drive on my system.
[11:59] <eliasson> loppy.ko?
[11:59] <eliasson> floppy.ko*
[11:59] <howrealisreal> yeah.. the module
[11:59] <eliasson> sorry, dont know


[15:29] <daker> cjwatson: hi man, can you tell if this is cause by something in my code or the builder crashed https://launchpadlibrarian.net/310930012/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_armhf_mir-webview-test_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[15:33] <cjwatson> daker: Seems clearly in your code; the error message is "Trying to organize file 'webview.qml' to 'webview.qml', but 'webview.qml' already exists", and the traceback at the end is just a noisy way of saying that snapcraft exited non-zero
[15:34] <daker> cjwatson: ok, just wanted to be sure, thanks!
[16:47] <smoser>  (Error ID: OOPS-6c3d99889232d89d0015623b2889aa30)
[16:47] <smoser> seeing that on attaching a deb (~200k) to a bug
[16:48] <cjwatson> smoser: usual occasional internal postgresql maintenance job that gets in the way of creating temporary tables.  wait ~10min and try again.
[16:48] <smoser> k thanks


[19:04]  * vorlon waves
[19:05] <infinity> Hrm.
[19:05] <infinity> I realised I forgot to update the wiki last time.
[19:05] <infinity> So I went looking through irc logs, and... There aren't any logs for ubuntu-meeting-2 in the last two months?
[19:06]  * vorlon dunnos
[19:06] <infinity> Irksome.
[19:07] <infinity> Try the last year, even.
[19:07] <vorlon> blink
[19:07] <infinity> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/
[19:07] <infinity> Last log for u-m-2 is 2018-08-22
[19:07] <infinity> WHat bot is responsible, and how do we get it reinvited?
[19:08] <vorlon> you ran a meeting in June, meetingology acknowledged your commands
[19:08] <vorlon> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology ?
[19:08] <infinity> Oh, meetingology might have its own logs?
[19:09] <infinity> Though, if so, not sure where.
[19:10] <vorlon> 04-06-2019 12:47:49 < meetingology!~meetingol@ubuntu/bot/meetingology: Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2019/ubuntu-meeting-2.2019-06-04-19.04.moin.txt
[19:12] <infinity> Have we not had quorum since then?  Or has no one else updated the wiki either? :P
[19:12] <vorlon> that's the last time anyone gaveled us in according to my logs
[19:13] <mdeslaur> \o
[19:14] <infinity> Alright, saved the new action to the wiki.
[19:14] <infinity> And updated chair to kees/mdeslaur, who seems to now be here. :P
[19:14] <mdeslaur> awww
[19:15] <mdeslaur> so I'm chair?
[19:15] <vorlon> :)
[19:15] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
[19:15] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 16 19:15:35 2019 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:15] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:15] <mdeslaur> [topic] Apologies
[19:15] <mdeslaur> no apologies from the usual slackers
[19:15] <mdeslaur> [topic] Action review
[19:16] <mdeslaur> ACTION: vorlon to ask DMB to require flavor developer teams in LP to have a 6-month expiry policy, thus requiring developers to reaffirm their committment each release cycle
[19:16] <vorlon> carry over
[19:16] <mdeslaur> ACTION: Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.
[19:16]  * mdeslaur looks at Wimpress
[19:17] <mdeslaur> CTION: infinity to ask maas team to prepare SRU exception policy à la CurtinUpdates (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MAASUpdates) (awaiting response from rbasak)
[19:17] <infinity> Carry, but that might come up in the meeting we have in 13 minutes.
[19:18] <mdeslaur> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[19:18] <vorlon> carry
[19:18] <mdeslaur> CTION: vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list
[19:18] <vorlon> carry :/
[19:18] <mdeslaur> [vorlon] discuss how to ensure flavors are continuing to meet certification requirements
[19:18] <infinity> Refresh, I deleted that.
[19:18] <infinity> We discussed it last time.
[19:18] <mdeslaur> whoopsie
[19:19] <mdeslaur> [topic] Mailing list archive
[19:19] <mdeslaur> I don't see anything recent
[19:19] <mdeslaur> [topic] Community bugs
[19:19] <infinity> Literally nothing, indeed.
[19:20] <mdeslaur> no bugs
[19:20] <mdeslaur> does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss?
[19:20] <infinity> Does anyone in a near-director-ish position (stares at vorlon) want to take the bullet for bugging Mark about an election again?
[19:20] <infinity> We're only a year or so overdue.
[19:20] <vorlon> I mean
[19:21] <vorlon> I have that as an undeclared action as well
[19:21] <vorlon> so yes
[19:21] <mdeslaur> cool
[19:21] <mdeslaur> anything else?
[19:21] <infinity> Our quorum issues might resolve if some people who don't have time (kees) and people who've already checked out (stgraber) weren't re-elected. :)
[19:22] <infinity> I don't have anything else.
[19:22] <mdeslaur> [topic] Next chair
[19:22] <mdeslaur> kees, with slangasek as backup
[19:22] <mdeslaur> err, sorry
[19:22] <mdeslaur> kees, with vorlon as backup
[19:23] <infinity> Thus proving that you don't tab complete nicks?
[19:23] <vorlon> heh
[19:23] <mdeslaur> well, it explained why that one wouldn't tab complete :)
[19:23] <infinity> Hah.
[19:23] <vorlon> you managed to highlight me with both, so
[19:23] <vorlon> job done
[19:23] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[19:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 16 19:23:45 2019 UTC.
[19:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2019/ubuntu-meeting-2.2019-07-16-19.15.moin.txt
[19:23] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone
[19:23] <vorlon> mdeslaur, infinity: thanks
[19:24] <infinity> Oh, does anyone know who runs the public logging bot and how to make it log this place again?
[19:24] <infinity> I guess I could ask in a more populous channel.


[03:17] <rafael> Olá
[03:18] <Guest1392> hi!
[07:40] <milosh> Hi ! is that correct command for LXQT update on lubuntu ? "sudo apt upgrade lxqt" ?
[07:42] <milosh> I want to update existing lxqt version from 0.14 (fossa default) to 0.16 latest , I dont want to have 2 versions
[07:51] <Maik> milosh: i think that's not how you upgrade to a new version of LXQt and isn't possible. Unless there's a PPA you need to add.
[07:52] <Maik> which i think there isn't
[07:52] <kc2bez[m]> milosh: You would need to move to a new release to get a newer version of LXQt.
[07:53] <milosh> very interesting ..
[07:53] <milosh> ok how to change folder white background at least
[07:53] <kc2bez[m]> 20.10 has 0.15 and when 21.04 is released in April it will have 0.16
[07:53] <Maik> ubuntu isn't a rolling release ;)
[07:53] <milosh> maybe you can help in that , not dark theme is ok for me but white folder bg kills my eyes
[07:54] <milosh> so it will update in 5 years ha ? )
[07:57] <kc2bez[m]> By folder background do you mean the background color of the file manager?
[07:57] <milosh> yes
[08:01] <milosh> in lubuntus config center , appearance , there is QT style called breeze
[08:01] <milosh> but it offers no control over it , it just applies breeze and that's it . I read that it's a bug and they fixed that bug , I thought I need to update
[08:02] <milosh> but now it appears that you can't update )
[08:02] <kc2bez[m]> It won't change the background color, you would need to follow something like this https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/dark-theme-or-dark-mode-for-lubuntu-20-10/1717/2
[08:04] <milosh> no chance to change file managers BG color  ?
[08:04] <milosh> it takes that damn color from somewhere right ?
[08:04] <kc2bez[m]> If you follow the video it does change.
[08:04] <kc2bez[m]> You would need to install kvantum
[08:05] <kc2bez[m]> Personally I use kvantum and the arc dark theme so everything matches.
[08:05] <milosh> I dont need dark theme at all ...
[08:05] <milosh> I need everything as it is but just little big gray in BG
[08:06] <milosh> it reads that white from somewhere right ?
[08:06] <kc2bez[m]> The file manager follows the system theme.
[08:06] <milosh> it doesn't matter what it follows , it takes that entry from somewhere
[08:07] <milosh> somewhere in config file there is FFFFFF line for BG color