[01:14] <Madkiss> cheers.
[01:14] <Madkiss> I updated to 13.04 (because my system told me that I could 'update to this new version of ubuntu') and now bluetooth doesn't work anymore
[01:14] <Madkiss> This is a MacBook Air 5,2 with Kubuntu
[01:16] <jbicha> Madkiss: you definitely should not have been offered an upgrade to 13.04 yet since it hasn't been released yet
[01:17] <Madkiss> now that doesn't help me a lot
[01:17] <jbicha> I heard about this bug once before, maybe you should mention it in #kubuntu-devel to see if they've figured out the problem yet
[01:18] <Madkiss> yikes.
[01:18]  * Madkiss gets to be a channel-hopper this way
[01:18] <Madkiss> i doubt its a kde problem though.
[01:18] <Madkiss> "hcitool dev" shows an empty list.
[01:19] <jbicha> right, that's likely a kernel problem, but the other time I heard about the upgrade offer it was on Kubuntu too
[01:19] <Madkiss> well I guess for that it's too late now anyway.
[01:19] <Madkiss> What's the best method to debug this?
[01:20] <Madkiss> i think "modprobe btusb" ought to be sufficient quite frankly.
[01:20] <jbicha> run ubuntu-bug bluetooth
[01:20] <Madkiss> you want me to report a bug?!
[01:20] <Madkiss> without any debugging?
[01:20] <Madkiss> jesus
[01:20] <jbicha> I've not run that command before, but ubuntu-bug helps to add some debug info to a bug report
[01:21] <mandoguit> fwiw, that is how I found myself running  Kubuntu 13.04 too     seem to recall something needs to be toggled off in the sources to prevent it
[01:21] <jbicha> this channel doesn't tend to have kernel or bluetooth developers so you might not find a better answer here
[01:22] <Madkiss> okay.
[01:23] <Madkiss> I guess this is an ex-kubuntu-installation then.
[01:23] <Madkiss> I spent two full days figuring out which Linux to run on this machine because people were nagging me like hell about the bad bad bad OS X it had pre-installed.
[01:23] <jbicha> mandoguit: that shouldn't be possible so I'd consider that a critical bug
[01:23] <Madkiss> Every attempt to run Linux on this thing has ended in a plain disaster. Kubuntu, Ubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora
[01:24] <Madkiss> *sigh*
[01:27] <mandoguit> jbicha:   heh... tell me about it. :P    still all in all I've had very few problems with it since installing so can't complain to much :)
[01:35] <SuperLag> bjsnider: if the channel gets too noisy for you, start your own... and invite people?
[01:35] <SuperLag> just a thought
[01:36] <SuperLag> krabador: no decision has been made about a rolling release, though, right?
[01:36] <krabador> SuperLag, today i asked at UDS
[01:37] <SuperLag> krabador: and what kind of response did you get? :)
[01:37] <Belial> i read they're still not sure.
[01:38] <krabador> "Now, with new server graphic and qt, almost ready for 14.04, what we can expect from 13.10?"
[01:38] <SuperLag> QT?
[01:38] <Belial> unity next = qt/qml
[01:38] <krabador> and the response was "there not 13.10"
[01:39] <SuperLag> krabador: there is no 13.10? is that what you're meaning to say?
[01:39] <krabador> SuperLag, yes
[01:39] <SuperLag> krabador: so... that implies they *will* be moving forward with a rolling release?
[01:40] <Belial> they're definitely moving towards a rolling release. the question is when.
[01:40] <krabador> SuperLag, mostly sure
[01:40] <SuperLag> Belial: I wonder how hard it is to transition
[01:40] <SuperLag> Belial: I'm guessing not too difficult.
[01:40] <krabador> SuperLag, Belial 13.04 will be out only because people involved on develop, are working on it by 4 months
[01:40] <SuperLag> but what do I know
[01:40] <Belial> krabador, i see.
[01:41] <SuperLag> I'd love to go to 13.04, but I'm having *massive* issues with it.
[01:41] <SuperLag> works fine in a VM
[01:42] <Belial> i've been using kubuntu 13.04 and it's been smooth.
[01:42] <Belial> real smooth.
[01:42] <SuperLag> but when I try to install it on native hardware at work... regular kernel panics
[01:42] <SuperLag> I lost an entire day of work today, trying to chase it down
[01:42] <Belial> nice
[01:42] <SuperLag> reinstalled 12.10
[01:43] <krabador> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21679/client-1303-unity-ui-converged/ my question are at 24:13
[01:43] <SuperLag> Belial: Mar  5 10:52:09 wanderlust kernel: [    5.013266] radeon 0000:01:00.0: registered panic notifier
[01:43] <SuperLag> Belial: this is what it would be, every time
[01:44] <SuperLag> does that mean the radeon driver is causing it?
[01:44] <Belial> it would seem so.
[01:44] <SuperLag> I tried the proprietary driver, but my card isn't supported, so it wouldn't install
[01:44] <Belial> i know someone else with a radeon that said 13.04 was unuseable for them.
[01:46] <SuperLag> Belial: were they in the channel?
[01:47] <Belial> no they weren't.
[01:47] <Belial> someone i know from another network.
[01:47] <SuperLag> well... they're not the only one :/
[01:47] <SuperLag> time to move this machine
[01:51] <krabador> !seen SuperLag
[02:55] <johnjohn101> so is 13.04 cancelled?
[04:08] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, what?
[04:08] <bjsnider> SuperLag, no, i'd just leave this channel
[08:26] <user_23415> Will I be able to use the Mir display server with the lxde environment (openbox+gtk2)?
[09:33] <lolzer> hi plz help me about creating a hotspot in my laptop.. it creates but no internet  connection on the other device
[09:33] <lolzer> im using ubuntu 12.04
[10:20] <zAo^> this channel is for 13.04 :)
[10:47] <snadge> i want to know why indicator-weather is still crappy
[11:41] <Madkiss> snadge: because nobody fixed it I guess
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:07] <snadge> yeah.. not interesting enough.. theres 3 open bugs for weather-indicator spanning across 3 releases :P
[14:18] <mynameisbruce> same text hier :D
[14:18] <mynameisbruce> what happened to firefox settings in raring ringtail daily?
[14:18] <mynameisbruce>  privacy settings are disabled by default
[14:18] <mynameisbruce> * gustavo_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #
[14:18] <mynameisbruce> no chance to enable them manually
[14:19] <mynameisbruce> is it a firefox or a ubuntu customazation?
[14:20] <mynameisbruce> pretty anoying...cause now i get cookies by default
[14:20] <mynameisbruce> and i hate cookies :D
[14:20] <vivid> looks like its working to me...
[14:21] <mynameisbruce> firefox settings?
[14:21] <mynameisbruce> everything is greyed out in daily installation
[14:21] <vivid> where?
[14:21] <vivid> screenshot
[14:23] <mynameisbruce> little bit hard to take screenshot in nating virtualmachine .... firefox -> preferences -> privacy -> "use custom settings for history" ->
[14:24] <mynameisbruce> there u can see that "remember search and form history" is grey
[14:24] <mynameisbruce> and some more options
[14:24] <mynameisbruce> like remember passwords
[14:25] <mynameisbruce> which u can find in the "security" tab
[14:25] <mynameisbruce> the installation came from daily raring image...all updates applied
[14:25] <vivid> nothing in my privacy or security tabs is grey
[14:25] <mynameisbruce> maybe its a daily image bug...hmm
[14:36] <tyrog> Hi. Who is using 13.04 as the only OS?
[14:37] <vivid> <-
[14:38] <tyrog> vivid: Is it stable? I'm not enjoying 12.10 performance and stability, and can handle some issues if they appear somewhere. Do you recommend it?
[14:38] <zAo^> <- 2
[14:38] <tyrog> zAo^: for you 2 xD
[14:38] <vivid> i recommend 12.04
[14:38] <zAo^> I use server edition + xfce; thats fine
[14:39] <vivid> theres nothing in 13.04 thats going to solve issues with 12.10 or 12.04
[14:39] <vivid> if youre having trouble, focus on resolving that before moving to unstable branches
[14:39] <zAo^> except for a new mesa
[14:39] <vivid> im on mesa 9.2 in precise even..
[14:40] <tyrog> vivid: What PPA?
[14:40] <vivid> raring is only 9.0.2
[14:40] <vivid> ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[14:41] <tyrog> vivid: Its the performance of unity, and also some bugs with managing windows. I read that 13.04 would fixe some problems with it
[14:42] <vivid> you read that where?
[14:42] <vivid> nothing is different....
[14:42] <vivid> thats why its so "stable" and improved "daily quality"
[14:42] <zAo^> :O
[14:43] <vivid> and 12.04 gets 12.10 SRU
[14:43] <vivid> no point in being on anything but 12.04 unless youre a developer.  i suppose thats why they consider a rolling release
[14:44] <tyrog> vivid: But they release the interim non-LTS releases as stable. They should be usable by everyone, not only developers
[14:44] <zAo^> What are the latest thoughts on a rolling release?
[14:44] <vivid> my opinion is that they should do it
[14:44] <tyrog> As for Rolling Release, they are still not sure if it is the best option.
[14:44] <vivid> well, at the moment the best option is to use LTS.  the vast majority of users should be using that
[14:45] <zAo^> the .04 and .10 release model was chosen because of Gnome. Since we dont use that anymore...
[14:45] <vivid> in terms of time (money) the three releases in between are exhausting
[14:45] <vivid> rolling release, in theory, should reduce the workload, deadline stress, etc
[14:46] <zAo^> yeah, I you look at Arch; their model is working out great for them
[14:46] <zAo^> I = if
[14:46] <vivid> the 6 month cycle has worked great for ubuntu too.  that doesnt mean its the best way to do it
[14:47] <vivid> nor rolling release, but at minimum it should be thoroughly evaluated because it offers many improvements
[14:47] <tyrog> zAo^: How can you guarantee that updates won't break anything? If you say stick with the LTS then, I'm not sure that everyone wants to stick with outdated software for 2 years :S
[14:48] <vivid> most people should stick with that, and its not outdated....
[14:48] <vivid> and you guarantee against breakage by testing package.
[14:49] <tyrog> zAo^: you know how Arch can be frustrating, so not everything is smooth. With Ubuntu a failure in the updates would be a problem.
[14:49] <tyrog> vivid: You know there aren't many backports of new software to the LTS right?
[14:49] <vivid> thats why those people who cannot have breakage would use the LTS
[14:49] <zAo^> tyrog, AUR is frustrating, but the normal repos arent?
[14:50] <tyrog> zAo^: Arch stable? Even that branch is far from ubuntu in that respect
[14:50] <zAo^> tyrog, Hmm. My experience differs then. Ubuntu is less stable for me
[14:51] <vivid> ubuntu is very stable, but then again i can make any linux system stable
[14:51] <vivid> i can also hack them to peices and break everything from top to bottom
[14:51] <zAo^> But since I hate AUR, i´m back on Ubuntu for now
[14:52] <tyrog> vivid: I think they could stick with LTS releases for daily usage if they provide backports for more software
[14:52] <vivid> why? more software is available through ppa.
[14:52] <vivid> LTS remains stable as the first goal.  new software is not a priority
[14:53] <zAo^> But if you use a large number of PPA´s, breackage will come
[14:53] <vivid> maybe.  if you dont want to use LTS theres other options...
[14:53] <tyrog> Then the point LTS releases would be more relevant. As they are now, its more like the Debian point releases. They have upgraded with 12.04.2 to the 12.10 stuff to provide compatibility with new hardware, mainly UEFI machines
[14:54] <vivid> more like debian stable? i take it thats somewhat the goal
[14:54] <vivid> where a rolling release would be more like testing and unstable
[14:54] <vivid> or LTS, Rolling Stable, and Rolling Development
[14:54] <tyrog> I see, but not everyone needs to have that debian stability-level. That's why these interim releases exist right?
[14:55] <vivid> well, that is the priority.  those companies/partners that invest/pay money will be using the LTS
[14:56] <vivid> i still think a rolling release would be a really good idea, but its up to ubuntu
[14:56] <tyrog> vivid: Fedora somewhat does these releases right. You get new software sooner.
[14:57] <vivid> what? last time i looked they were behind on their schedules
[14:57] <tyrog> I'm not talking about the bleeding edge technologies they implement
[14:57] <tyrog> Just normal, daily usage software.
[14:57] <vivid> new is != better
[14:58] <tyrog> vivid: AFAIK, that was because of the new installer. The release would have been done sooner if it wasn't for that.
[14:58] <tyrog> vivid: Are you thinking about GNOME? xD
[14:59] <vivid> what?
[14:59] <tyrog> For most software new means better, more features. What did you mean with that?
[14:59] <vivid> new != better
[15:00] <tyrog> vivid: Whats the point of updates then?
[15:00] <vivid> better software, security, bugs
[15:00] <vivid> not "new"
[15:00] <tyrog> vivid: A rolling release would have new software, or not?
[15:00] <tyrog> So, its the same as exists right now
[15:01] <vivid> depends, look at gentoo.  they have the "new" software but alot of it is masked
[15:01] <vivid> pick, choose, and enable at your own risk
[15:01] <vivid> the distribution itself needs to be stable, cant just put new things in for the sake of being new
[15:01] <tyrog> That's ok. But I think Ubuntu targets people who want new software. You can get even newer software with Arch for example.
[15:01] <vivid> i dont think ubuntu targets that niche at all
[15:02] <tyrog> vivid: A rolling release would have to tinker with low-level software components, sooner or later. That's why they are risky, even now that ubuntu is doing many new projects from scratch
[15:03] <vivid> how is that different from the current model?
[15:03] <tyrog> vivid: If the point is to have MIR updates coming with a "normal" software update, then it is the same as what we have now, development releases
[15:04] <tyrog> vivid: 18 months support with each release, and 5 years for LTS
[15:04] <vivid> i dont think the point is to do MIR anything.  the point of a rolling release would be to decrease workload, deadlines, etc while increasing development time on other projects.  like mir, mobile
[15:04] <vivid> efficiency
[15:05] <tyrog> vivid: You can't guarantee that level of quality with rolling releases, you know? I don't think ubuntu wants the ultra conservative approach of other distros too, beucase they didn't want that from the very beginning
[15:05] <vivid> why cant you gurantee that level of quality.  thats exactly why you would keep the LTS
[15:06] <vivid> then mask packages on the rolling release until theyre tested, approved, and merged
[15:06] <tyrog> vivid: What is the point of a rolling release then? You keep with the development releases, its very easy to develop stuff on top of them
[15:06] <tyrog> And you can fix most stuff by yourself
[15:06] <vivid> to reduce the amount of work developers have to do.  increase efficiency
[15:06] <vivid> you would have a single development release, and a single lts release to support
[15:07] <vivid> take stable snapshots of that development release, and you can create a third stable more up to date release
[15:07] <tyrog> vivid: You mean a Stable Rolling release?
[15:07] <vivid> well, thats how i would want to see it.
[15:08] <vivid> i would handle it similar to how gentoo handles it.  publish, mask, test, approve, include
[15:08] <vivid> at the same time, have the LTS release as well
[15:09] <mynameisbruce> ubuntu installs libreoffice as a dependency for language support...omg
[15:09] <tyrog> vivid: Do you agree with providing timely snapshots of that rolling release?
[15:10] <vivid> i would, as indicated by the quality of said snapshot
[15:10] <vivid> so if a snapshot is of poor quality, skip it, remain on a high quality one
[15:11] <tyrog> vivid: What do you mean by that? Its rolling you know, you have the same software if you install from the latest snapshot or keep your system updated
[15:11] <vivid> you would have different channels
[15:11] <vivid> stable and development for the rolling release
[15:12] <vivid> a "snapshot" would be moving stable development packages into the other channel
[15:12] <vivid> a "poor snapshot" would not be included
[15:12] <vivid> anything that compromises stability gets left behind
[15:13] <mynameisbruce> keyboard layout is missing from gnome-control-panel.......anybody an idea how to reactivate "windows" key now
[15:13] <tyrog> vivid: Even debian testing with a similar philosophy to that breaks, even after trying to keep packages left behind for a long time
[15:13] <vivid> thats because they lack what ubuntu brings
[15:14] <vivid> deadline reliability and consistency
[15:14] <tyrog> vivid: openSUSE have a similar rolling model to the one you defend, and even with that things are not as stable as with their normal releases. So if they are not more stable, do you think they are a valid substitute?
[15:14] <vivid> not familiar with them
[15:15] <vivid> do they have an LTS alongside their rolling release?
[15:15] <vivid> or do they take care of that in SUSE enterprise
[15:15] <tyrog> vivid: No LTS releases there. And I can tell all of their stable releases are of very good quality
[15:15] <tyrog> vivid: Of course SUSE enterprise is what is similar to their LTS release
[15:16] <vivid> i would think so
[15:16] <tyrog> But IF LTS's are for enteprises, and I agree they should be targeted to them, then for the rest of us, normal desktop users, what would be better? These stable releases or the rolling model?
[15:16] <vivid> normal desktop users would be recommended on the LTS
[15:17] <tyrog> vivid: Ubuntu supports upgrades from one release to the next right now.
[15:17] <vivid> basically all the rolling release model does is reduce the stress of the inbetween development cylce
[15:17] <tyrog> vivid: Normal desktop users are not the same as enteprise, server, ultra-stable target
[15:17] <vivid> the focus needs to be on the LTS, mobile, etc
[15:18] <vivid> maybe not, but the same system can satisfy all of those needs
[15:18] <tyrog> vivid: Ubuntu wants to achieve full convergence. So that is not a problem, they are developing Mir, Unity Next and all the stuff at the same time
[15:18] <vivid> right, more reason to drop the interim releases
[15:20] <tyrog> vivid: 100% risk-free can't be provided with a rolling release when such major projects will be integrated sooner or later. Its simply not possible. The same applies to Debian stable with their new release and the need to upgrade to Gnome 3 for example
[15:20] <vivid> debian stable is much older no?
[15:20] <vivid> remains constant for what..5 years?
[15:21] <vivid> like the LTS, except its refreshed every two years
[15:21] <tyrog> I don't think Mir and all the new Qt stuff could come together with the normal updates with 100% risk-free for desktop users. Those with the Stable Rolling release. I don't think it is doable.
[15:21] <vivid> thats why they use the LTS
[15:21] <vivid> simple as that
[15:21] <tyrog> Other examples of Stable Rolling releases prove that. The rolling releases you said don't update that stuff for years lol.
[15:21] <vivid> provide a single stable operating system.  and a single development environmnet
[15:22] <vivid> where did i say that?
[15:22] <vivid> all the rolling releases ive used are very up to date
[15:22] <vivid> they also mask broken/problematic packages
[15:22] <vivid> you can choose to use those, and suffer any consequences as a result
[15:23] <tyrog> vivid: So how would Ubuntu advertise to people then? Only the LTS release? Then I think they need to backport more stuff then. PPAs are not completely reliable, and I would dare to say most people that use Ubuntu don't know about them.
[15:23] <vivid> SRU point releases could provide that "backport functionality"
[15:23] <vivid> they have to SRU already anywa
[15:23] <vivid> and yes, just advertise the LTS
[15:24] <tyrog> vivid: Then those point SRU point releases would be more of a Rolling Release than anything else
[15:24] <vivid> which other successful deployments (monetarily) make six month releases? in fact those are relatively stagnant and the success they get partially comes from the stability of the environment
[15:25] <vivid> keep changing it every six months and....you create more work for developers
[15:25] <tyrog> There wouldn't be much difference. If besides testing all the stuff to provide full LTS stability, they would need to maintain two development branches, then the workload would be more or less the same i think
[15:26] <vivid> essentially it would be one development branch
[15:26] <tyrog> vivid: I think the actual upgrades of Ubuntu from one release to the next are good and mostly stable. LTS -> LTS upgrades are more troublesome. With that model the latter would be even more unstable
[15:26] <vivid> id rather have a specific, stable target
[15:27] <vivid> i think most people would as well, not just linux people, but most people overall
[15:27] <tyrog> You can say not everyone will do upgrades from LTS to LTS. Well there are many people who are still with Windows XP right now. But getting Libreoffice 4 is much easier even for those XP users than for the users with the current Ubuntu LTS, for example
[15:28] <vivid> but why do they actually need that new version?
[15:28] <vivid> does it significantly increase productivity?
[15:28] <tyrog> There isn't a logical answer for that xD. But people want it, its just how things work lol
[15:28] <vivid> or is it just a "thing"
[15:29] <vivid> should be considered outside the scope
[15:29] <tyrog> New versions, lets download them right away. New major releases of software shouldn't be targeted only for early adopters IMHO
[15:29] <vivid> no, lets test those new versions
[15:29] <vivid> then, roll them out to people once we know their of high quality
[15:29] <vivid> theyre*
[15:30] <tyrog> There is some fun with having updated software. Thats how I think the people that Ubuntu mainly targets see the things.
[15:30] <vivid> those people who need that new software can figure out how to get it
[15:30] <vivid> its not about fun though
[15:30] <vivid> :(
[15:31] <vivid> but, there will always be a development release to play with, whether they do rolling releases or not
[15:31] <tyrog> I would say it is the same people as Apple, sort of. They provide minor OS updates each year and people get to test new stuff sooner. And you rarely ever see a complain about OS X upgrades
[15:32] <vivid> right, same could be accomplished with the LTS
[15:32] <tyrog> vivid: Ubuntu will continue to sync with Debian sid I think. And although sid can be controlled for the most part, it is not the same thing as debian stable of course xD.
[15:33] <tyrog> vivid: Right now they can't provide fully operational LTS -> LTS upgrades. With a rolling model I don't see how things would improve
[15:33] <vivid> they cant? i wouldnt know as i dont work on enterprise lts upgrades
[15:34] <vivid> certainly do-release-upgrade should work
[15:34] <vivid> if it doesnt, that should get attention sooner than later
[15:34] <tyrog> vivid: There is some risk even then. With a rolling release model inbetween, that wouldn't improve, I don't see how it would.
[15:35] <vivid> theres always risk
[15:36] <vivid> i would say do it, myself.  i dont see how you lose ground by removing unnecessary releases
[15:37] <vivid> though yea, i would be a little cumbersome approaching that first lts-lts upgrade under the rolling model
[15:38] <tyrog> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1228 I don't know if you have already read this post on the blog of Mark with some of the usual complaints/issues coming with a RR model
[15:38] <vivid> no, i havent, only some of the list comments
[15:39] <vivid> id like to see him take an optimistic approach to that blog
[15:39] <vivid> then evaluate it, but im sure hes got better things to do
[15:40] <tyrog> vivid: I don't even know how will the update from 12.04 to 14.04 will be doable xD, with so much new low-level stuff coming around
[15:40] <vivid> sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:40] <vivid> that has to work.  period.
[15:40] <tyrog> vivid: I know about that. But APT is not a genius, very good, but not perfect lol
[15:41] <vivid> then they have to put some focus on it working.  if it doesnt they need to start.  ive never had issues but i also never go beyond 6 months upgrades
[15:41] <tyrog> vivid: And those 6 months upgrades work for you?
[15:41] <vivid> essentially, i operate ubuntu as a rolling release as it is
[15:42] <tyrog> So you are always with the development release? That is a different scenario then
[15:42] <vivid> 4/6 months on development, depending on support for Xorg ABI from nvidia
[15:43] <tyrog> So you shouldn't need to complain. The current development model isn't ok for you? xD
[15:43] <vivid> im not complaining at all.  i just think that there are many benefits that could be realized in a rolling model
[15:43] <tyrog> I tend to prefer staying with the current release until the next comes out. But I have backups in an external drive and some on the cloud, just in case a certain ubuntu release doesn't meet my criteria xD
[15:43] <vivid> they should be evaluated thoroughly
[15:44] <vivid> if i have issues, i just solve them myself.  generally the only issues i have are lack of support for brand new x abi
[15:44] <tyrog> vivid: What do you mean by optimistic posts by Mark by the way? I think he is one of the most optimistic, with less fear of taking a risk people in the open source world.
[15:45] <vivid> the headings are very pessimistic
[15:46] <tyrog> vivid: That is because most of his posts are exposing his visions about polemic stuff xD
[15:46] <vivid>  /shrug
[15:47] <vivid> im glad theyre thinking about it
[15:47] <vivid> i think its a good idea, but ill probably still be using ubuntu either way it shapes up
[15:47] <vivid> id still be using debian if i could get the same level of operation and comfort with it
[15:48] <tyrog> vivid: I don't agree 100% with every opinion of him of course. But you have to agree his vision is unique in the opensource world, and that is good i think
[15:48] <tyrog> That is a good thing
[15:49] <vivid> honestly, im tired of the stupid interim releases
[15:49] <vivid> all they do is make more work for myself
[15:49] <tyrog> As long as Ubuntu keeps with its promise they had from the beginning
[15:49] <vivid> which was that? competent, stable, timely?
[15:50] <tyrog> Read Ubuntu philosophy xD
[15:51] <tyrog> Read about their aims, their goals. They are generic enough that i think no one would disagree with them xD
[15:57] <mynameisbruce> is thunderbird still the default mail client?
[15:59] <vivid> tyrog: nice chatting. later.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> mynameisbruce,depends on your desktop
[16:01] <mynameisbruce> unity
[16:03] <BluesKaj> I believe it is
[17:24] <mynameisbruce_> ubuntu 13.04 upgrade works nearly flawlessly
[17:24] <mynameisbruce_> it just screws up the auth stack
[17:25] <mynameisbruce_> but after that...everythings fine
[17:28] <mynameisbruce_> now the propretary fglrx driver came up with "unsupported hardware" logo
[17:28] <mynameisbruce_> anybody know how to fix that?
[17:29] <mynameisbruce_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1132334
[17:29] <mynameisbruce_> oh its know bug
[18:19] <Bollsaq> I read that the beta release is today, is that correct?
[18:26] <Bollsaq> Oh just read its the 14th
[18:26] <Bollsaq> well suppose its close enough to beta to pretty much be considered beta
[18:27] <Bollsaq> might upgrade today


[03:37] <zuixro> Hey, I just got an HD tuner, but I have tons of SD stuff already recorded. Is there an option to automatically rerecord shows when they air again in HD?
[04:40] <Shadow__X> i am having problems with my ethernet port. All of a suden i keep getting these errors in dmesg sky eth0 speed/duplex mismatch and am unsure why thats happening as i havnt done anything to the machine and up until recently Gbit has been working without a problem
[12:04] <qwebirc46974> Hey guys,
[12:09] <qwebirc46974> Got one question, I installed mythbuntu and my capture card is working find with w_scan. so I am getting lots of channels. Anyway I switch to mythtvbackend setup / capture card setup /switch,LNB configurator, there is a "unconnected" button. Pressing the button and nothing happes. Thats not right, isnt it? ^^r
[12:24] <qwebirc46974> ok will switch pc
[12:25] <qwebirc24202> Ok here I am again
[17:45] <dekarl> qwebirc24202: you want to change unconnected to switch or LNB, depending on your installation
[18:23] <adam_112> I'm seeing the following error: 2012-03-26 23:45:27.016 HDHRSH(13128D8C-0) Error: UpdateFilters called in wrong tune mode   New install with the latest repos installed
[18:34] <adam_112> Also seeing this on the frontend - 2012-03-26 23:44:37.687 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1103_20120326234421.mpg): Waited 15.0 seconds for data to become available.. 2144 <32768
[18:39] <adam_112> any body out here today?
[18:39] <rhpot1991> I think the first error is ok, lets see
[18:40] <rhpot1991> yep, I have lots of those in my logs
[18:40] <adam_112> I think you are right.  You helped me yesterday.  I downloaded the repos and installed.
[18:41] <adam_112> this is the only thing that I can find....  http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2012-February/328701.html
[18:41] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] [mythtv-users] Can't Watch Live TV
[18:41] <rhpot1991> so the repo update didn't fix it?
[18:41] <adam_112> Did not.
[18:41] <rhpot1991> that user is completely unable to watch livetv
[18:41] <rhpot1991> you can watch it, its just choppy IIRC
[18:42] <adam_112> Yes.  That was all I could come up with.... :)
[18:42] <rhpot1991> ya so not the same issue
[18:43] <adam_112> It is like something is taking to long..........  Could it be the Hard drive?
[18:43] <adam_112> When cruising around in X I don't see any lagging or anything like that.
[18:44] <adam_112> RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1103_20120326234421.mpg): Waited 15.0 seconds for data to become available.. 2144 <32768  ---  What does this mean?   The Hard drive can't keep up or I can't get video streaming from the prime fast enough
[18:48] <rhpot1991> thats normally a bottleneck issue
[18:48] <rhpot1991> I wonder if its your 8600
[18:48] <adam_112> here is the version I'm running - 2012-03-26 23:40:39.283 mythbackend version: fixes/0.24 [v0.24.2-26-g7b992ca] www.mythtv.org
[18:48] <rhpot1991> try changing your playback profile to something that doesn't use vdpau, like normal
[18:49] <adam_112> Okay. I thought I did that.   Will do it again to gather logs.    I do have a nice ati card I could try.......
[18:49] <adam_112> I also have a nvidia 210 I could tryt.
[18:58] <rhpot1991> ati kinda sucks since you can't offload to the gpu
[18:58] <rhpot1991> the 210 would be a better test with vdpau on
[20:01] <adam_112> okay.  I checked the hardware page and they claimed a 8600 would work.
[20:02] <rhpot1991> adam_112: I know someone who has one and had issues with vdpau with it and the latest driver, its starting to get to being old hardware
[20:02] <rhpot1991> so try a different playback profile and see what happens
[20:02] <rhpot1991> if it fixes it then you know its a video card issue
[20:02] <rhpot1991> if it doesn't then you wasted 30 seconds listening to me
[20:03] <adam_112> Will do.  If that fixed it  I'll be bummed.  I just bought that bad boy.
[20:03] <adam_112> Huh what did you say?  :)
[20:04] <qwebirc55974> How do I get mythbrowser to work in Mythbuntu 11.10. Clean new installation, can see the program headers, but  "open Web Link" does nothing
[20:07] <rhpot1991> qwebirc24202: I think you need to add bookmarks first
[20:07] <rhpot1991> and then use them
[20:10] <qwebirc55974> I tried adding bookmarks, it wouldn't open them, I went to "Browse Internet Video" and "Scan/Manage Subscriptions" and  "Update site Maps"...got a whole bunch of program "headers" (right name?) that I can see and select, but no browser when trying to open valid programs :(
[20:13] <rhpot1991> qwebirc55974: I haven't used mythbrowser in ages, you might have better luck asking in #mythtv-users
[20:14] <qwebirc55974>  there a better way of viewing i-Player-type content in current Mythbuntu?
[20:15] <qwebirc55974> sorry, mistype, that should read "Is there...etc?"
[20:20] <rhpot1991> qwebirc55974: I think this is what you want: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision
[20:20] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] MythNetvision - MythTV Official Wiki
[20:20] <rhpot1991> or
[20:20] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge
[20:20] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] MiroBridge - MythTV Official Wiki
[20:22] <qwebirc55974> OK, thought MythNetVision was supersceded....sounds like i've got it wrong :( I'll give MythNetVision a blast...thanks guys!


[05:03] <Mirv> Saviq: I marked the unity8 branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/initialize_m_sceneDistance/+merge/208773 now at least, in case it doesn't go in the other route (l28)
[05:03] <Mirv> Saviq: Qt is about there, yes, now the 80 other source packages
[07:59] <Saviq> Mirv, yup, ok
[08:37] <tsdgeos> Saviq: dude, is the bluetooth crash fixed? i can't reproduce it anymore :_S
[08:37] <tsdgeos> on the destkpo
[08:37]  * tsdgeos tries the phone
[08:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not that I know of, checking
[08:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, crashed here
[08:48] <tsdgeos> garg
[08:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you totally dist-upgraded?
[08:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, upping last 6 here
[08:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, d-up'ed
[08:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, crashed
[08:50] <tsdgeos> desktop too?
[08:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[08:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let me try and drop landing 006 ppa
[08:51] <tsdgeos> :(
[08:51] <tsdgeos> still trying to update the phone, for some reason doesn't seem to be getting interwebs
[08:53] <tsdgeos> ah, i ran out of disk space
[08:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, btw, you might want to use landing-006 (ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-006) where the "real" qt 5.2 is now (you need qt5-beta2 still)
[08:54] <tsdgeos> let's see
[08:57] <tsdgeos> ignore me, i had commented one line that makes it crash :D
[08:58] <tsdgeos> bad me not remembering last minute change on friday
[08:58] <Saviq> :)
[09:47] <Saviq> dednick, hey, can I steal you a bit?
[09:47] <dednick> Saviq: i guess. depends what you mean to do with me ;)
[09:48] <Saviq> dednick, I've been prepping ourselves for the 5.2 migration, and there's a bunch of failing tests in tst_Indicators and tst_Panel
[09:49] <Saviq> dednick, and I kind of got lost in them
[09:49] <dednick> Saviq: ok. unity trunk have all 5.2 changes?
[09:49] <dednick> latest i mean
[09:49] <Saviq> dednick, no, but trunk is fine to look at that
[09:50] <Saviq> dednick, you want ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-006 and ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2
[09:50] <dednick> Saviq: ok. i'll take a look. I have a feeling i know what the failing tests are about.
[09:50] <Saviq> dednick, also, this should be fine to be applied: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7026599/
[09:50] <Saviq> dednick, no need for the wrapping Item
[09:51] <dednick> Saviq: ok
[09:53] <Saviq> dednick, here are the failures I've seen: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7026616/
[09:53] <Saviq> dednick, one caveat: try* doesn't work with 5.2 yet, we need to trick Qt into running them with qmlscene
[09:54] <dednick> Saviq: yeah. qml changed the way ListViews are populated or something. order of ListElements no longer well defined or something silly.
[09:55] <Saviq> dednick, one visible thing is that there's a big yellow square in the top-right corner, not sure where that comes from
[09:55] <Saviq> dednick, it doesn't seem to be any of the indicator widgets
[10:13] <dednick> Saviq: dude, wtf. 5.2.1 totally screwed up with package installs.
[10:13] <dednick> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt5core5a_5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[10:13] <dednick>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/qtchooser/qt5-x86_64-linux-gnu.conf', which is also in package libqt5core5:amd64 5.0.2+dfsg1-7ubuntu18
[10:13] <Saviq> dednick, libqt5core5 should be replaced with libqt5core5a
[10:14] <Saviq> dednick, so it should be gone before installing the 5.2.1 version...
[10:14] <Saviq> dednick, can you pastebin the whole log?
[10:18] <dednick> Saviq: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7026709/
[10:19] <dednick> libqt5core5 is just being upgraded to 5.2.1
[10:19] <Saviq> dednick, so it did that in the wrong order
[10:19] <Saviq> Mirv, ↑↑
[10:20] <dednick> Saviq: know how to fix that?
[10:20] <dednick> without synaptic? since it doesnt seem to want to load anymore
[10:20] <Saviq> dednick, force-upgrade libqtcore5 first (dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/...)
[10:21] <Saviq> dednick, then, dpkg --configure -a should be enough (might need to follow with apt-get -f install)
[10:21] <dednick> Saviq: libqt5core5:all 5.2.1+dfsg-1ubuntu2 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with libqt5core5 which has multiple installed instances
[10:22] <Saviq> dednick, so if you have libqt5core5:armhf / :amd64, dist-upgrade will fail?
[10:23] <Saviq> Mirv, rather ↑
[10:27] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i know why the crash of bluetooth is happening, i don't just know yet how to fix it, but basically the outer delegate of a list is being deleted while a function of the inner one is being executed, which at some point causes bad things to happen
[10:28] <tsdgeos> ideally one should not delegate outer delegates while the inner one is getting something executed i'd say
[10:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, there a way to enforce something like this?
[10:28] <tsdgeos> no idea :D looking at the code a bit
[10:40] <Saviq> Mirv, I just got the same error when upgrading my phone from stock image to qt5-beta2 + landing-006, so I'd say something's wrong with the transition between 5 and 5a
[10:43]  * greyback back in 20
[10:52] <Mirv> Saviq: I noticed it too, it's because of the transitional package that was temporarily wanted to be able to test ABI breakages but which is going to go away. on my desktop I just tried again and it progressed fine, it should just have better conflicts in it
[10:53] <dednick> i had to remove all of qt5.0.2 to install.
[10:57] <dednick> Saviq: make tryXXX doesnt work anymore either.
[11:03] <Saviq> [10:53] dednick, one caveat: try* doesn't work with 5.2 yet, we need to trick Qt into running them with qmlscene
[11:04] <Saviq> Mirv, I had to force (dpkg -i) installation of the new libqt5core5 before it continued
[11:04] <Saviq> (on my phone)
[11:04] <mhr3> Saviq, anyone tried new scopes with 5.2?
[11:04] <mhr3> ie should i?
[11:04] <Saviq> mhr3, do
[11:04] <mhr3> k
[11:04] <Saviq> mhr3, use qt5-beta2 and landing-006 ppas
[11:05] <mhr3> wondering if i want to break my desktop or rather the phone
[11:05] <mhr3> think i'll go for the phone first :)
[11:08] <Saviq> xnox, did the py3 transition land whole https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/3180/testReport/unittest.loader.ModuleImportFailure.unity8.application_lifecycle/tests/test_url_dispatcher/ ?
[11:12] <xnox> Saviq: it was in silo since last week, bzoltan has asked me to rebase 4 times now.... and still didn't land it as far as I can tell.
[11:13] <Saviq> xnox, k
[11:47] <dednick> Saviq: did you want me to patch the IndicatorItem, or has it been done elsewhere?
[11:48] <Saviq> dednick, please do
[11:57] <dednick> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/indicator-tests-qt5.2.1/+merge/209048
[11:57] <Saviq> dednick, thanks!
[11:59] <Saviq> dednick, it will work with 5.0, right?
[12:00] <dednick> Saviq: should do...
[12:00] <Saviq> dednick, ok, removing the "5.2.1" from the description, since it's not actually required
[12:01] <dednick> Saviq: oh, done already :)
[12:02] <Saviq> dednick, yup
[12:08] <dednick> wow, 4K recording on Sony Z2. probably get aout 5 seconds worth on the internal storage....
[12:22] <mhr3_> Saviq, ok to push trunk merge to new-scopes?
[12:22] <mhr3_> there were some conflicts, but nothing major
[13:43] <mhr3_> Saviq, what's the story with uitk? is the demo ppa version still needed to run new-scopes?
[13:44] <Saviq> mhr3_, yeah, 'cause new-scopes accrued some mwc stuff that was unrelated...
[13:45] <mhr3_> :/
[13:45] <mhr3_> Saviq, also did you reply to the trunk merge? i might have missed that
[13:46] <mzanetti> greyback_: step 1: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/support-short-appid-in-gsettings/+merge/209071
[13:49] <Saviq> mhr3_, I might have not? you mean -scopes-shell?
[13:49] <mhr3_> Saviq, no, merge lp:unity8 into new-scopes
[13:49] <mhr3_> if you're ok with that
[13:50] <mhr3_> got it conflict-resolved in my tree here
[13:51] <greyback_> mzanetti: could there be a danger of one appId having 2+ desktop files available in the search directory? Is the first valid desktop file definitely the one wanted?
[13:54] <mzanetti> greyback_: no, there shouldn't be. We only support one version per user
[13:54] <greyback_> mzanetti: ok
[13:55] <mzanetti> greyback_: well, UAL's app upgrade/uninstall hook would fail, then we might have 2, but that would be a bug imo
[13:55] <greyback_> mzanetti: so not possible for an app to have a system installed version, and a user-specific one too
[13:56] <mzanetti> greyback_: not for click. in that case, the system one would be "foo" while the click one would be "com.ubuntu.foo" or the like
[13:56] <mzanetti> greyback_: not exactly sure what happens when we manually make install an application into ~/.local tho.
[13:56] <mzanetti> greyback_: but that seems to be a general thing our current implementations are suffering too
[13:57] <greyback_> mzanetti: probably not.
[13:59] <Saviq> mhr3_, ah yeah, go for it
[14:30] <Saviq> @unity: standup
[14:30] <karni> Saviq: I'll mark I don't attend, but please at least temporarily don't remove me from in the calendar event, k? :)
[14:31] <Saviq> karni, clinging on, eh? ;D
[14:31] <karni> aye ;D
[14:34] <mhr3_> Saviq, pushed trunk merge into lp:~unity-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/rotate-n7
[15:03] <Saviq> elopio, ah, on unity8 taking a long time to stop - I saw that sometimes, no real way to reproduce, and it's not crashing, either, so it will need investigation
[15:03] <Saviq> elopio, if you find that there's a test that exposes it more often than others, please let us know
[15:05] <elopio> Saviq: on my phone, it seemed to happen for every test. It's like 10 seconds setting things up, and like 30 seconds doing nothing waiting for it to stop.
[15:06] <elopio> I don't know how to collect extra information about it.
[15:06] <Saviq> elopio, Ran 46 tests in 1202.536s for me - do you have a number?
[15:06] <elopio> Saviq: no, I ran them one by one.
[15:06] <elopio> Ran 2 tests in 42.404s
[15:06] <elopio> OK
[15:09] <Saviq> elopio, can you check http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7027986/
[15:09] <mhr3_> Saviq, seen http://paste.ubuntu.com/7027988/ ?
[15:09] <Saviq> mhr3_, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/fix-5.2-tests/+merge/209058
[15:10] <Saviq> mhr3_, 5.2 is more strict (and thanks to it for that)
[15:10] <elopio> hum, that one stoped it immediately.
[15:10]  * elopio keeps trying.
[15:10] <mhr3_> Saviq, very well... anyway, didn't notice anything majorly broken with new-scopes and 5.2
[15:10] <Saviq> mhr3_, anything minorly broken?
[15:11] <Saviq> mhr3_, other than with 5.0?
[15:11] <mhr3_> Saviq, only thing was that playing videos and then switching to dash resulted in everything being super slow and then unity8 crashing
[15:12] <mhr3_> Saviq, oh and volume down doesn't work :)
[15:12] <mhr3_> (mako)
[15:13] <mhr3_> not like those are new-scopes specific
[15:14] <Saviq> mhr3_, k
[15:18] <elopio> tsdgeos: what's the plan for the autopilot tests fixes?
[15:18] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/new-scopes-cleanup-autopilot/+merge/208954
[15:18] <elopio> should we merge into your cleanup branch?
[15:20] <tsdgeos> elopio: sorry  i'm 100% on trying to figure out one of our Qt 5.2 crashes, but looks good enough i'd say
[15:20] <tsdgeos> i'll merge it to my branch
[15:21] <elopio> tsdgeos: ok, thanks. I'll be working on the camera fix probably tomorrow.
[15:21] <tsdgeos> cool
[15:22] <elopio> oh, but I need a review here first:
[15:22] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/fake_app_from_toolkit/+merge/208002
[15:23] <elopio> mterry: that's from a file you reviewed before, can you take a look please?
[15:24]  * mterry looks
[18:54] <tedg> mterry, From the greeter can I assume any user that starts with "*" should be considered a non-user?
[18:54] <mterry> tedg, there is *guest
[18:55] <mterry> tedg, but yeah then some weird ones like *remote...
[18:55] <mterry> tedg, not sure if you consider *guest a real user or not
[18:55] <tedg> mterry, Yeah, I'm trying to block guest and those out.
[18:56] <tedg> mterry, I only want users that would have set up a sound player in their session.
[18:57] <mterry> tedg, guest may have...
[18:57] <mterry> tedg, though not sure how you can get the real account name
[18:58] <mterry> maybe once we log guest in, unity-greeter's api should return its real name
[19:00] <tedg> mterry, I guess. I'm not too worried about ensuring guest has full features on the lock screen.
[19:00] <mterry> tedg, fair enough
[22:59]  * mterry thought it had been too quiet; turns out IRC was off


[09:53] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[19:16] <waltman> Anyone update to Artful yet?
[20:15] <Pennth> Updating now and ran into a problem. I locked the screen and I can't log back into the Unity session
[20:16] <Pennth> so I'm in a text shell tailing logs and trying to determine when the intallation phase is going to finish
[20:16] <Pennth> s/shell/tty/
[20:30] <Pennth> And looks like I'm a bit screwed. It's looping between mountin my vg volumes and failing to start network manager, and I have no login prompt in any tty
[20:31] <Pennth> 'Failed to start Login service' and good luck to me getting to systemd without it
[20:33] <Pennth> recovery mode working, looks like some things left o config
[21:00] <waltman> ugh
[21:00] <waltman> I haven't felt up to it today. Maybe tomorrow.
[21:02] <Pennth> Upgrade's complete but workday is ending. I'll test it when I get home
[21:17] <jthan> pacman -Syyu
[21:17] <jthan> done :-)


 Blog post: Ready. Release Notes: Ready.
 Can i see that? (re @Eickmeyer: Blog post: Ready. Release Notes: Ready.)
 @MateoBioengineer Not the blog post, but the release notes (so far): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
 Ok
 Ubuntu studio is the one that comes with the modified kernel?
 @MateoBioengineer It's not a "modified" kernel. It's the same kernel with some different compiliation flags. It's actually a subkernel of the generic kernel the rest of the Ubuntu flavors use.
 What benefits and disadvantages have these different compilations flags?
 It enables PREEMPT_RT which essentially makes it a realtime kernel, giving the software realtime access to the hardware, but enables some other flags to keep realtime processes from completely taking over the system, hence it's not a true realtime kernel, but a lowlatency one. The only real advantage is when it comes to audio processing.
 The disadvantages are it can be slower with video processing, but the tradeoff is relatively minor.
 Why the others flavour don't use it?
 Because the only advantage is for professional audio production, not for general use.
 Ok
[02:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> I just had the most useless error ever:
[02:51]  * Eickmeyer[m] uploaded an image: image.png (25KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xsAvPzjebUfmCWfsnScMfzxH >
 Winning
 Test succeeded
 Who gets to fix that bug with all that info?
 Apport? Is that an App? (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer[m]> uploaded an image: image.png (25KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xsAvPzjebUfmCWfsnScMfzxH >)
 Apport is Ubuntu's crash handler. (re @troyBORG: Apport? Is that an App?)
[03:57] <valorie> it's a good app when it works
[03:57] <valorie> except when it crashes
[03:57] <valorie> it's the soul of `ubuntu-bug`
 Yes, when the app crash reporter crashes, you have problems.
 I laughed a little too hard at this. I really like crash/info message bloopers 😅 (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer[m]> uploaded an image: image.png (25KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xsAvPzjebUfmCWfsnScMfzxH >)
 is there any way to have dual boot and have Ubuntu with zfs?
[04:58] <guiverc> A 'install-alongside' can't be expected to work if the system has a FDE(full disk encryption) install to start with; wouldn't it be impossible to shrink an encrypted partition??  (my last install was FDE)
[05:00] <guiverc> :)   option 'install alongside' isn't offered anyway :)
 welcome Mark
 hope you filed a bug report for this (re @MateoBioengineer: )
 Today is day one so lets all push the #UbuntuTestingWeek hashtag on twitter and facebook as much as we can to increase the awareness
 @MateoBioengineer at the moment it is only possible with 2 separate disks. With a single drive it'll install ZFS on the entire disk.
 https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1245644984990101505
 https://www.facebook.com/6723083591/posts/10157981584038592/
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> tnx popey
 welcome @carmelo_caldarella
 thanks @popeydc
 np :)
 hopefully alot more news websites will put out the word now seeing it there
 I dunno, it's not a thing I'd expect mainstream news tech sites to talk about. It's very much an enthusiast activity.
 although, saying that, there's already tons of people running 20.04
 was thinking more of phoronix, omgubuntu, and the likes
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> i have an rss linux bot at ##techrss didnt see any spreads yet
 /me pokes joey at omg
 i'm following 'ubuntu testing week' on twitter to keep up to date on people using the hashtag and not :D
 Looks like ubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-mate, ubuntu-budgie, ubuntustudio will get respun beta candidate images in a bit, to get a zfs fix in
 heheh
 I can ninja edit the discourse post to point to new urls
 May not need to change depending how you linked?
 I pointed to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/411/builds
 I don't 'think' that will change. Just the download links it leads to when you click through. However, we will check/see when they get done :)
 kk
 thanks for the heads-up
 welcome Gordon
 /me
 Thank you
 Thanks (re @philipz: welcome @carmelo_caldarella)
 which flavor are you testing today
 I would like to try xubuntu 20.04 but I am blocked by this annoying bug and I have not yet received concrete assistance answers. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1865130 (re @philipz: which flavor are you testing today)
 you can still test in a VM (virtual machine) if this issue is affecting your hardware
 I had already thought about it, but the virtual machine is too slow for my pc (re @philipz: you can still test in a VM (virtual machine) if this issue is affecting your hardware)
 is your pc very old?
 Yes, 2008 (re @philipz: is your pc very old?)
 and presume no other pcs are around :(
 Yes (re @philipz: and presume no other pcs are around :()
 well thanks for trying. do you speak more than one language?
 if so, you can contribute with translations
 for bug 1865130 a fix was recently released but it did not solve the problem for the radeon hd 3450 video card open source driver
 did you try the '(safe graphics)' options:
 when the system first boots up and you see a keyboard and accessibility icon appear. you press the escape key, select your language, and then you can see these options
 for those wishing to retweet
 https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1245621995343142912
 https://twitter.com/UbuntuBudgie/status/1245677111387533312
 https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1245646177850159106
 reminder to kubuntu team to use the hashtag :D
 @tsimonq2 @guiverc reminder to put out a tweet for lubuntu
 @Eickmeyer reminder to put out a tweet for ubuntu studio
 @franksmcb @wimpress any update from the ubuntu mate team
 @RikMills did the .xcf file come in handy?
 What do you need? (re @philipz: @franksmcb @wimpress any update from the ubuntu mate team)
 was your team able to finalize the ubuntu mate announcement for the testing week?
 We will, but either later today or tomorrow.
 We have a new section of the website that explains how to pitch in with QA/testing. That stuff is not live just yet.
 @wimpress thanks for the update. please do promote the #UbuntuTestingWeek hashtag when every you push it on social media
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200402)
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity ppc64el [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200402)
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity arm64 [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200402)
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity s390x [Focal Beta] has been updated (20200402)
 not had the chance yet. (re @philipz: @RikMills did the .xcf file come in handy?)
 @philipz I think you're doing a great job with this, but considering I have a bug 1851346 that's breaking people's installations, that's taking my time.
 @Eickmeyer keep up the good fight. look forward to testing studio out, though i think i can only do it as effective as @popeydc did in his video. :D
 the knome website has changed from what i looked like yesterday:
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: affect & commented bug 1870353
[13:53] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: thanks!
 Thanks Yousuf! Glad to be here and help test xubuntu (re @philipz: welcome Mark)
 Thanks for the invite
 Thanks for the invite, whoever was behind from Xubuntu (edited)
 @ItzSwirlz guess that would be me :D
 welcome Ricardo
 haha
 I'm okay, i typically do qa tests
 Pleasure to be here
 I also did find a thing with cinnamon-settings i'll report to mainstream debian
 It looks like system info looks for tag "linux_distribution" in cinnamon-remix but I can't seem to find it.
 I opened an issue and its private, i'll fix that real fast.
 Hi! I'm excited about testing and give feedback! Thank you all in advance!!!
 :)
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nemo-python/+bug/1865828
 wait wrong one
 glad to have you aboard Ricardo. which flavor are you testing?
 here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bug/1869585
 yeah it automatically set it private.
 Finally, fixed
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bug/1869585
 Reported this a while ago-except it was private
 So now I don't think anyone will see it, but worth a shot.
 Also I will check up on Kylin-last time I tested their theming and stuff was well, not working well. It seemed sort of broken. I'll launch a test today.
 This week will be Ubuntu Studio
 For you, or does every week we decide to test a random thing?
 It's because it is near to finish the lts version, and I am a long time user of this flavor...
 Oh. That’s fine
 I'm thinking about join more flavors and the canonical for testing, let's see how much I can help...
 There’s never a limit 8)
 plan to test all the flavors during this testing week
 Testing week starts Thursday or basically the week is a Sun to Sun
 yes started today till next wednesday
 Nice
 wecome @MrPer4280
 Thx - I want to join in on the testing - will upgrade my workstation from 19.10  and also test on Raspi4
 glad to have you aboard
 Welcome to the uhhh
 Are we a ship or airplane
 Or a naval fleet
 We're more like a comedy troupe.
 yes the iso hunting ship and bug hunting fleet
 wait
 you're our 69th member
 ok sorry
 yes. Welcome to the bug hunting fleet.
 budgie's banner - https://ubuntubudgie.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/header-744x268.jpg
 if you need help with the upgrade, you can check popey's video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7DmV7V2rts (re @MrPer4280: Thx - I want to join in on the testing - will upgrade my workstation from 19.10  and also test on Raspi4)
 All - getting my feet wet, should I file a bug on this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DM7d4ZBZ8W/
 updated my Raspi4
 @MrPer4280 did you do an apt update before the apt upgrade?
 @philipz  - yes I did
 can someone with python knowledge check out @MrPer4280's paste
 @MrPer4280 you are trying to upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04, correct?
 Jeepers - I can't keep up with you. haha (re @philipz: budgie's banner - https://ubuntubudgie.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/header-744x268.jpg)
 the 'line buffering blah blah blah.....'? as far as I know that is annoying, but harmless
 you tweeted it way before i posted it here :D (re @bashfulrobot: Jeepers - I can't keep up with you. haha)
 I installed from an image yesterday, and did the "apt update; apt upgrade" thing
 yep that should be sufficient to keep it updated
 as @RikMills said, you can ignore the python errors
 yeah, I have been pretty bad at interacting in this channel. (few things on the go currently). (re @philipz: you tweeted it way before i posted it here :D)
 Thanks for posting though.
 ok - thanks
 pasted it here so others can get ideas for their banners :D (re @bashfulrobot: Thanks for posting though.)
 👍 Appreciated regardless. (re @philipz: pasted it here so others can get ideas for their banners :D)
 On QA kylin still seems like they’re in trouble
 Actually they are mostly good it’s only their desktop
 i wanted to try out their new UKUI, looks quite interesting
 You guys got everything
 We need the upgrades
 yep ubuntu's got all the popular DEs as flavors
 the preview of UKUI was quite nice - https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1232862919798341632/pu/vid/640x360/3fP57cA-rYyepPf9.mp4?tag=10
 wow
 Yeah themes are still broken for people
 Should we have to worry about subiquity
 whats subiquity?
 the server installer
 Server
 I’ll do it
 On my personal computer lol
[16:43] <oerheks> :-)
 Studio's Banner:
 nice
 maybe adjust the spacing above and below '20.04 LTS' to be equal
 is the banner going on a new blog post?
 That's likely. I did the spacing that way intentionally to separate the idea slightly.
 yep i thought you may have after looking at it again :D
 maybe change the color of it to further emphasize it that way
 I decided not to do it, too complidoged and not the best for a guy with crazy partitions
 This better?:
 👌
 I feel like the "Beta Released" line still isn't quite center, though.
 i thoughts so as well, but didnt want to say anything :D
 presume its likely because the center 'ubuntu studio' text isnt centered, but the entire logo is centered
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> Probably. Figuring that out now.
 over here i left aligned the logo and the line below it, so things didnt look out of place (re @philipz: )
 Now I've got it.:
 third line is, but 2nd isnt:
 That's a much easier fix because it doesn't have the blur.
 Wish I had some time to play with banners. 😞

 toss me the artwork and let me try to whip up something for you (re @RikMills: Wish I had some time to play with banners. 😞)
 previous twitter banner:
 had just pulled the same image of the kubuntu website :D
 is this the 20.04 wallpaper? (re @RikMills: )
 At the moment
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Focal Beta] has been marked as ready
 Probably not great for a banner background
 i love that wallpaper
 yep its definitely a nice one
 I hated it at first. However, I have grown to like it now! (re @popeydc: i love that wallpaper)
 :)
 We also added that, which was a runner up in the plasma wallpaper competition
 I had not seen that one yet, I like it also!
 Picking autologin crashes the login screen for me. I need to manually kill gdm3 from a console in order to log in. Only happens on my machine using nvidia drivers. Against what package should I file that bug? (Or is that a known issue?)
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> Benedikt: wich ubuntu flavour are you on?
 that's also lovely (re @RikMills: )
 Ubuntu Software does not appear in the applidogion menu, but when you go to "Open Software Now" still in the welcome screen, Ubuntu Software opens.
 lotuspsychje: stock Ubuntu
 it's beautiful! (re @RikMills: )
 Yup! Had that too! (re @Udange: Ubuntu Software does not appear in the applidogion menu, but when you go to "Open Software Now" still in the welcome screen, Ubuntu Software opens.)
 Udange Are you just asking which package to file a bug against?
 Will Ubuntu Software be removed in the final version? (re @Benedikt: Yup! Had that too!)
 Yes and no :).
 The snap of the software store will be shipped
 so it can be updated more regularly
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> Benedikt: wich nvidia chipset do you have, and wich driver version loaded please?
 Was very tempted to make that the default, but keeping the Plasma winner seemed a tiny tiny bit better long term (re @TiagoVercosa: it's beautiful!)
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> lotuspsychje: Use @ when trying to highlight someone across the Telegram bridge.
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise it doesn't work.
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> oh okay
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> @Benedikt: wich nvidia chipset do you have, and wich driver version loaded please?
  (re @RikMills: Was very tempted to make that the default, but keeping the Plasma winner seemed a tiny tiny bit better long term)
 damn that looks good. very ubuntu! (re @TiagoVercosa: )
 lotuspsychje: Card's a GTX1060 and the driver package 440.64-0ubuntu3.
 Which is probably why Plasma people didn't pick it! 🙄🤣 (re @RikMills: damn that looks good. very ubuntu!)
 Thanks (re @RikMills: damn that looks good. very ubuntu!)
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> @Benedikt ok that sounds like latest driver, maybe you could switch a driver version, just to test?
 will do!
 lotuspsychje: I tried all three available driver versions 390, 435, 440 and the problem persists with all of them.
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> @Benedikt tnx for testing that, so you narrowed down the problem its not about driver version, this does not occur when you manual login?
 Exactly. If I switch off autologin the same lock screen comes up but then I can input my password and log on without any problem.
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> @Benedikt sounds like bug #1845801
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> @Benedikt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1845801
 welcome @KaiLoveLinux
 Hello
 @RikMills what do you think:
 nice
 where are these banners going?
 i've seen you avatar on twitter :D (re @KaiLoveLinux: Hello)
 Rik wants to put it on twitter (re @popeydc: where are these banners going?)
 @Eickmeyer where you putting yours?
 neat
 I like it. I feel like the lines of the Fossa should be a little thicker so it matches the font. Plus, it's a cool animal and should have a little more emphasis. (re @philipz: )
 @philipz Blog post. Front page is a little hard to alter, but the beta will definitely be linked on the front page.
 fossa pulled from what martin uploaded on discourse. not sure how to thinken the lines
 Zachariah ^^
 Do you have the original drawing of the Fossa?
 darkened it though
 the svg (re @Zachariah: Do you have the original drawing of the Fossa?)
 Where do I put suggestions that aren`t bugs?
 what kind of suggestion? (re @Ricardo: Where do I put suggestions that aren`t bugs?)
 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-mascot-wallpapers/14621 (re @Zachariah: Do you have the original drawing of the Fossa?)
 Are you rasterizing the SVG for the banner?
 yes (re @Zachariah: Are you rasterizing the SVG for the banner?)
 At DateTime Configuration screen, the Timezone selection has a long list with a combo box without scrollbar or initial letter as hotkey, we have to scroll down by arrows all the list.
 Actually, I gave you the twitter one as 1st example to come to hand. Not quite sure where we want one at this stage. (re @philipz: Rik wants to put it on twitter)
 Ricardo The map is clickable.
 interesting. dunno if that's possible. i just click the map (re @Ricardo: At DateTime Configuration screen, the Timezone selection has a long list with a combo box without scrollbar or initial letter as hotkey, we have to scroll down by arrows all the list.)
 hahahaha
 Sorry about that, old habits
 :)
 :D
 dont try to type on that page, as it wont recognize many cities
 it's okay, it's only been clickable for about 14 years :)
 haha
 Yes, I know, but I only click during setup, I think i`m getting old
 aren't we all! :D
 Then just rasterize it on a transparent background in GIMP. Do Select -> By color. Click anywhere on the lines to select it all. Then do Select -> Grow. Add 1 or 2 pixels. Then select the paint bucket, change mode to Fill whole selection. Click anywhere inside the selected area and it will fill it in.
 lotuspsychje: Thank you, that is exactly the bug I'm hitting. I'll see if I can add any info. (re @Zachariah: I like it. I feel like the lines of the Fossa should be a little thicker so it matches the font. Plus, it's a cool animal and should have a little more emphasis.)
 Zachariah don't think it will come out crisp with your suggestion
 Yeah, it may round off the edges.
 i did darken the lines, as inverting the white color to black wasnt dark enough

 that looks fun
 The previous kubuntu one a bit of I did some blur or drop shadow or somesuch to the mascot lines to make them not so thin and sharp against the background
 @philipz anyway, please don't spend any more time. If I can grab the xcf and tweak if needed, that is more than enough. thanks :)
 /me goes to test build Knome...
 ^ HAHAHAHA
 /me
 ok didn't expect that
 /me looks at calendar (re @RikMills: /me goes to test build Knome...)
 ha
 done as a DM. its 23mb ;D (re @RikMills: /me goes to test build Knome...)
  (re @philipz: done as a DM. its 23mb ;D)
 must be the wallpaper in the background
 Oof.  Git upload to launchpad going 55KBps... (you know everyone's working from home when...)
 Yeah, they had to switch from png to jpg to make the size not HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE (re @philipz: must be the wallpaper in the background)
 Too much detail
 definitely will shrink once you crop that portion out
 @popeydc any luck contacting joe?
 yup
 he's on it
 sweet
 welcome @metalsonne
 hello ;)
 what brings you around this evening?
 Gonna finish up a couple things on the desktop, and I think it's about time I work on Ubuntu Lumina again, try to get a version out just in the nick of time
 /me checks his watch, sees 11:39, laughs at @philipz
 its 10:40pm here, so are you 1 hour ahead or 11 hours behind?
 I saw the testers group on th ubuntu page, so I chose to visit it to be up to date, whats planned, but maybe twitter is better ^^ (re @philipz: what brings you around this evening?)
 nice. so will you be testing the ubuntu iso in a VM or by USB? (re @metalsonne: I saw the testers group on th ubuntu page, so I chose to visit it to be up to date, whats planned, but maybe twitter is better ^^)
 I would give it a try on the upcoming weekend maybe in a VM, that would be senceful
 Up to now I don't test it. Maybe usb is better, because I would install it in three weeks on my surcafe pro 3 to get better results then the 19.1
 This is to buggy by scaling and such other stuff on this device
 I got an broken layout at Audacity, may I report it for who?
 Ricardo What do you mean by "broken layout"?
 It's not broken but, wrong size combos at mainscreen, if I change the theme of XFCe it get less worse, the object works, but I need to click on it to read what option was selected... :)
 Ricardo I see what you mean, just tried it on KDE Plasma and saw something similar to what you described. Would you mind uploading a screenshot?
 Just a second..
 maybe I should join the group on this weekend again, now its to early, cu
 https://imgur.com/CLbwm4L.png
 Yep, almost identical to what I saw, which means the theme isn't the issue. Open a terminal, type "ubuntu-bug audacity".
 Attach that screenshot to the bug report.
 Thanks... My first day doing this... :)
 Chances are I'll get the bug report and confirm it since it's part of the Ubuntu Studio package set.
 That said, I don't think this is something to add to the qatracker.
 congrats. we look forward to more. (re @Ricardo: Thanks... My first day doing this... :))
 downloading focal fossa iso, let's see if I can get things done in time lol
 look forward to seeing your spin. when do you perceive it to be ready.
 I am a bit of a perfectionist
 I have 20.04 server running on my raspi4 4GB with 256 GB ssh - sweet
 256 GB ssd
 well we can try, but there will always be issues with software (re @KaiLoveLinux: I am a bit of a perfectionist)
 I know (re @philipz: well we can try, but there will always be issues with software)
 think joe really messed up with this one:
 https://twitter.com/omgubuntu/status/1245788242831650816
 have a good night all.
 hm - looking at the ISO respin for budgie...
 Started 5 hours ago
 Estimated finish 4 hours ago
 ehhhh
 We have a call to action for Testing Week in our release notes for the beta, due today. (re @philipz: @wimpress thanks for the update. please do promote the #UbuntuTestingWeek hashtag when every you push it on social media)
 Cool
 be kind (re @philipz: )
 I don't see any "mess ups" I just see creativity and effort (re @philipz: )
 was the release notes publicized, as i didnt see it on the ubuntu mate twitter (re @wimpress: We have a call to action for Testing Week in our release notes for the beta, due today.)
 for all that wish to retweet - https://twitter.com/unixterminal/status/1245814807003045888
 yes i guess i was being harsh (re @popeydc: be kind)
 @popeydc looks like created an article version of your video - https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/04/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-20-04
 Awesome
 He does every release I think
 So it's likely made up from content he's recycled a little.
 I think he may have failed to mention that 18.04 won't get the upgrade prompt (or ability to upgrade without -d) until 20.04.1 is released.
 Welcome @electragician
 Welcome Vitor Vitor
 It looks like for even classic Ubuntu settings is broken (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bug/1869585)
 I’ll report it to Debian
 Hi all.
 Sadly, there will not be a beta release today.
 Hello Wimpy
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2020-April/040957.html
 Darn
 Ah well. Thanks.
 Thanks for the heads up. Will await patiently
 Why is Calamares he worst thing to compile?
 It is?
 For me at this moment, yes
 Qt is a bit of a pain to compile IMO
 Yeah, so I cant cmake Calamares because of qt5linguisttools
[23:10] <valorie> there is a cala channel: #calamares
[23:10] <valorie> also if wxl or tsimonq2 are around ^^^
[23:11]  * valorie is upgrading the travel lappy to the beta
 Yeah it's not a Calamares issue, QT5 is being mean
[23:13]  * valorie stays silent because "family friendly"
 Aw man. I did see rebuilds and errors in QA. We are good though (re @wimpress: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2020-April/040957.html)
 Qt5LinguistToolsConfig.cmake? (re @KaiLoveLinux: Yeah, so I cant cmake Calamares because of qt5linguisttools)
 what is the KPluginFactory library and how to I get it
 I dealt with that (re @RikMills: Qt5LinguistToolsConfig.cmake?)
 there is a header name that in libkf5coreaddons-dev (re @KaiLoveLinux: what is the KPluginFactory library and how to I get it)
 I have that installed
 Which version do you need Kai? (re @KaiLoveLinux: Why is Calamares he worst thing to compile?)
 I am compiling 3.2.21
 Ah. We have 3.2.20 in the focal archive if it helps.
 it might
 how may I get it?
 You can look at the packaging here https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares/
 If you just need the package you can just do an apt install calamares
 or get the source withdget -u https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/calamares/3.2.20-0ubuntu1/calamares_3.2.20-0ubuntu1.dsc
 or get the source with
 dget -u https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/calamares/3.2.20-0ubuntu1/calamares_3.2.20-0ubuntu1.dsc (edited)
 or get the source with
 dget -u https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/calamares/3.2.20-0ubuntu1/calamares_3.2.20-0ubuntu1.dsc (edited)
 I have the installer, will theme it for the full release
 You will want to look at calamares-settings-ubuntu as well.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/
 If you have any questions feel free to reach out.
 Kai I have no idea what you’re trying to accomplish
 idk either but I did it
 I already setup a Calamares for you
 Whatever
 Good job


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[13:22] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[00:58] <wgrant> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/slimmer-bfjo/+merge/194767 https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/even-slimmer-bfjo/+merge/194774
[01:32] <StevenK> Haha
[01:42] <StevenK> wgrant: r=me * 2, I look forward to the branch that destroys BFJO
[01:43] <wgrant> Thanks
[01:43] <wgrant> There's 7 branches so far
[01:44] <StevenK> wgrant: slimmer has a question on the approval, but eh
[01:48] <jtv> Hi chaps
[01:49] <StevenK> wgrant: So that return ('') is supposed to be a string?
[01:49] <StevenK> jtv: O HAI
[01:49] <jtv> All well?
[01:55] <wgrant> StevenK: Yes. It's a straight move and scheduled for more refactoring soon.
[01:55] <StevenK> Right
[04:39] <StevenK> wgrant: You fail at buildbot bing
[04:40] <StevenK> *bingo
[07:53] <wgrant> StevenK: https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bfjb-from-bfj/+merge/194805


[15:44] <avoine> Mobidoy: personnellement, je regarderais pour un Lenovo d'habitude la compatibilité est linux est bonne.
[15:49] <Mobidoy> Merci avoine, tu es pas le premier qui me parle de Lenovo.... je vais y jeter un oeil....
[15:49] <avoine> de rien
[15:54] <Mobidoy> Question pour les programmeurs parmis nous, coter puissance (composante): Je devrais regarder pour quoi ? (Processeur et carte vidéo) Si, je supposes que je pourraiss avoir besoin de VM pour du développement Android ?
[16:01] <cyphermox> Plus processeur et mémoire
[16:02] <cyphermox> probablement aussi vitesse du disque dur ;)
[16:16] <avoine> ouais on a jamais assez de mémoire
[16:26] <Mobidoy> Memoire c'était un gimmie, j'ai 8 Gig de DDR3 1066 qui font rien ici (oui pour portable) et disque dur, ca va etre un 7200 (que j'ai ici aussi), donc, le coter que je dois vraiment regarder c'est le vidéo et Processeur..... Sans que ca dévore la pile trop vite :-)
[16:37] <avoine> un des bugs que j'ai avec mon lenovo c'est qu'il chauffe trop vite
[16:37] <avoine> j'imagine qu'il ont réglé le problème
[16:38] <avoine> mais ça peut devenir un bloquant avec un processeur ou une carte vidéo trop forte
[16:38] <avoine> cyphermox: ton vol est pris pour le UDS?
[16:39] <cyphermox> ouais
[16:41] <avoine> cyphermox: tu y vas avec quel airline? (/me magasine)
[16:41] <cyphermox> Westjet
[16:42] <avoine> ok
[16:42] <avoine> cyphermox: et tu partages une chambre avec quelqu'un là-bas?
[16:43] <cyphermox> ouais ca c'est déjà réglé, j'y vais avec ma copine
[16:45] <avoine> ok
[16:45] <pangolin> cyphermox: Why has the ubuntu-qc admin team and translation team been added to the Club-Ubuntu team on Launchpad?
[16:45] <pangolin> I think this is a very bad idea.
[16:46] <pangolin> ##club-ubuntu is not in anyway an official Ubuntu channel.
[16:48] <cyphermox> pangolin: because somebody did it
[16:48] <cyphermox> avoine: y'est tard pour organiser des roomies, d'après moi c'est deja tout réglé ca
[16:49] <cyphermox> (room sharing is not optional, unless you pay for your own)
[16:57] <cyphermox> avoine: c'est toi qui a ajouté french canadiian translators à club-ubuntu?
[16:59] <pangolin> I don't know who did it but I do NOT want to be associated with that team/channel.
[17:00] <cyphermox> pangolin: and we shouldn't be
[17:00] <pangolin> They are not a part of the Ubuntu community, they do not follow the CoC or the ubuntu irc guidelines
[17:00] <cyphermox> the problem comes from the fact that all of ubuntu-qc is admin for the translation team
[17:01] <cyphermox> pangolin: ah?
[17:01] <pangolin> cyphermox: that channel is a troll pit
[17:02] <cyphermox> mkay
[17:02] <cyphermox> well, the only people who can fix this for now are avoine or MagicFab, since they are the only ones in the ~ubuntu-qc-admins.
[17:03] <pangolin> I sent MagicFab a PM about it.
[17:04] <MagicFab> cyphermox, c'est pas moi
[17:04] <pangolin> it was Taowa who subscribed ubuntu-qc
[17:04] <pangolin> I don't know who they are but they are fairly new to ubuntu-qc and translation team
[17:05] <MagicFab> he's not admin AFAICS
[17:06] <cyphermox> MagicFab: no
[17:06] <cyphermox> but all of ~ubuntu-qc is admin of fr-ca translators
[17:07] <cyphermox> I think we should fix that to correctly have ubuntu-qc-admins the admin and owner of both teams, and make sure the right people are in that team
[17:07] <pangolin> he sub'ed the translation team, Ubuntu-Admin is indirectly sub'ed because ubuntu-admin own the translation team...makes the entire ubuntu-qc team indirectly part of that team.
[17:07] <cyphermox> perhaps voting
[17:08] <MagicFab> not sure how
[17:08] <pangolin> IMHO ubuntu-qc does not want to be associated with club-ubuntu
[17:09] <cyphermox> well it's probably not malice, but still, I tend to agree ;)
[17:09] <MagicFab> ok, found it, fixed it.
[17:09] <MagicFab> Can you guys double-check ?
[17:09] <cyphermox> it *is* kind of hidden in LP this stuff
[17:10] <cyphermox> no, still there
[17:10] <cyphermox> MagicFab: https://launchpad.net/%7Eclub-ubuntu/+members?active_batch=75&active_direction=backwards&active_start=150
[17:10] <MagicFab> cyphermox, it's exactly why we created QC-admins at some point, maybe we forgot to change the -QC status of admin for fr-CA
[17:11] <cyphermox> for Ubuntu French Canadian... you should have a yellow thing to edit membership
[17:13] <MagicFab> ah, i don't as I left the fr-CA team
[17:16] <cyphermox> uh-oh
[17:18] <cyphermox> MagicFab: can't help you now, I'm not an admin of fr-ca (because I only was via ubuntu-qc)
[17:19] <cyphermox> wtf
[17:20] <cyphermox> LP is broken for this
[17:20] <cyphermox> ah, nm, it's not
[17:20] <MagicFab> it seems so. I've added both cyphermox and pangolin to QC admins
[17:20] <cyphermox> privs changed under me :)
[17:22] <cyphermox> gah,
[17:23] <pangolin> hmm, so how the hell do I use these admin privs :)
[17:23] <MagicFab> no idea :) I figured one of us will find out.
[17:24] <cyphermox> asking on #launchpad
[17:25] <pangolin> I spent all these years trying not to understand launchpad on purpose because it is confusing
[17:25] <pangolin> heh
[17:26] <MagicFab> seems patrick or me approved that: "If you add another team to your own, you're actually inviting that team to join. Launchpad will email the other team's admins with your invitation, allowing them to decide whether or not to add their team to yours. "
[17:26] <MagicFab> From https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/CreatingAndRunning
[17:26] <MagicFab> but no mention how to leave a team
[17:27] <cyphermox> not sure I follow
[17:28] <MagicFab> at some point they asked us to join, one of use must have accepted
[17:28] <cyphermox> ah ok je vois
[17:29] <cyphermox> but couldn't it have been just about anyone really>
[17:29] <cyphermox> I got the email:
[17:29] <cyphermox> Taowa (taowa4) added Ubuntu French Canadian Translators (ubuntu-l10n-fr-
[17:29] <cyphermox> ca) (which you are a member of) as a member of Club-Ubuntu (club-
[17:29] <cyphermox> ubuntu).
[17:29] <cyphermox>  <https://launchpad.net/~club-ubuntu>
[17:38] <pangolin> I can't figure it out :/
[17:38] <cyphermox> eventually the helpful launchpad people will answer :)
[17:47] <cyphermox> ah, found something via launchpad API
[17:58] <MagicFab> deuxpi, ping
[17:59] <cyphermox> done, en théorie
[18:00] <cyphermox> pangolin: done, c'est enlevé :)
[18:00] <pangolin> good job, how did you do it?
[18:02] <deuxpi> pyong
[18:04] <pangolin> MagicFab and cyphermox Thanks for helping and figuring it out :)
[18:05] <cyphermox> pangolin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/718100/
[18:05] <cyphermox> ^^ that's how I did it ;)
[18:06] <pangolin> lol that means nothing to me :(
[18:07] <cyphermox> heh, basically, I used the launchpad API in python to get both teams, after looking at the doc and finding out about that retractTeamMembership function which use is precisely to remove a team from another team
[18:07] <cyphermox> had to mess around a bit to get the teams right, but it works
[18:08] <pangolin> hacker!
[18:08] <cyphermox> pangolin: that sounds a bit like "Witch!!!" ;)
[18:09] <pangolin> nah.
[18:11] <deuxpi> cyphermox: +100 geek points pour avoir utilisé ipython ! ;-)
[18:12] <cyphermox> deuxpi: c'est plus pratique quand on veut gosser de quoi sans trop savoir comment ca marche ;)
[18:13] <deuxpi> yeah, c'est mon "swiss knife" de tous les jours
[18:49] <MagicFab> cyphermox, +1
[19:48] <Chex> +1? are we doing code reviews here now?? ;)
[21:16] <zakidine> Salut
[21:31] <cyphermox> zakidine: salut
[21:32] <zakidine> Salut
[21:36] <zakidine> j'arrive pas a faire un ñ
[21:36] <zakidine> en faisant altgr ~ n


[13:16] <Bluefoxicy> Chromium browser is providing a Certificate Failed error for amazon.com and penfed.org due to certificate transparency failure.  Firefox isn't.  Confirm?
[13:59] <dobey> Bluefoxicy: works fine here. there was a bug in one update, but has since been fixed
[14:59] <Bluefoxicy> dobey:  nod.  Something about extended validation?
[14:59] <Bluefoxicy> dobey:  i don't have any updates and restarting chrome doesn't fix it on yakkety.  Maybe my update channel is behind.
[17:10] <tzero> hello, I'm trying to package a python3-based utility, following https://wiki.debian.org/Python/Pybuild#debian.2Frules, that should consist of a python library, some launcher scripts in $PATH, and miscellaneous files. Does PYBUILD_NAME correspond to the python module name? The resultant packages from `pdebuild` only contain things installed to /usr/share/doc
[17:19] <ScottK> It does.
[21:02] <dobey> Bluefoxicy: don't know about chrome. was fixed in chromium, at least the version that's in the archive on 16.04
[21:03] <dobey> Bluefoxicy: google chrome itself might not be fixed. it's because some certs aren't complying with a transparency requirement
[21:07] <Bluefoxicy> dobey: 'Version 53.0.2785.143 Built on Ubuntu , running on Ubuntu 16.10 (64-bit)'
[21:07] <Bluefoxicy> current ubuntu 16.10 repo version
 ikonia: i get the same thing with amazon in chromium
[21:07] <Bluefoxicy> confirmed in #ubuntu for 1 user, but that channel is 1600 idlers
 tomreyn Bluefoxicy seems this bug has cropped up again, there are several comments on that bug report from within the last few hours
[21:14] <Bluefoxicy>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1641380
[21:15] <Bluefoxicy> so much for FIXRELEASED
[21:22] <dobey> 53.0.2785.143-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.1257 <- is what i have
[21:22] <dobey> weird, since it's same version
[21:22] <dobey> Bluefoxicy: anyway, don't know. ask in #ubuntu-desktop perhaps
[21:32] <Bluefoxicy> dobey:  the general consensus is the bug is not fixed


[17:33] <tonywade> hello
[17:52] <genii-around> Eleven seconds hardly seems long enough to wait for a reply to "hello" ...
[17:55] <charlie-tca> You don't have it on auto-respond?
[17:56] <charlie-tca> I have problems getting anything typed fast enough when they give me a whole minute, even :)
[18:52] <profus2> good evening
[18:54] <profus2> can anybody help me in finding program path of file manager in xubuntu?
[18:54] <profus2> situation: email arrives with attached photos
[18:54] <Craig_E> thunar is the app name
[18:54] <profus2> where is its path located so that I can point to it
[18:54] <profus2> ?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> profus2: according to "which thunar" in terminal:  /usr/bin/thunar
[18:55] <Sysi> applications → accessories → catfish for searching files
[18:55] <profus2> @charlie-tca: thumbs up
[18:57] <profus2> after klicking on photo, dialogue appears and offers libre office as a viewer
[18:57] <profus2> how can I link to a photo viewer
[18:57] <xrdodrx> /usr/bin/ristretto
[18:58] <profus2> thx
[19:30] <Azelphur> Using Xubuntu 11.10, it seems that my theme doesn't apply to some apps (gcalctool, gedit). I'm thinking this might be a gnome 3 thing. Any ideas on how to workaround it?
[19:31] <m6locks> how to disable visualisations in totem? (not the plugin)
[19:35] <Sysi> Azelphur: get theme with gtk3 theming or copy greybird's gtk3 to your theme folder
[19:36] <Azelphur> fun
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Using Xubuntu 11.10, already has greybird installed. choose it in appearance and window manager settings
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Sysi: default theme in 11.10 is greybird
[19:41] <Sysi> that's how I knew he could copu gtk3 part of it
[19:44] <charlie-tca> I thought it was all automatic with greybird. It should use gtk2 or gtk3 parts of the theme as needed?
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Or is that not possible?
[19:47] <Sysi> he apparently isn't using greybird
[19:48] <charlie-tca> That is very possible.
[19:48] <charlie-tca> There are still only two themes that are gtk3, too, right?
[19:51] <TheSheep> in the light-themes package
[19:51] <TheSheep> radiance and ambience
[19:53] <charlie-tca> and greybird and awaita(?) for Xfce
[19:53] <charlie-tca> The only one Xubuntu ships is greybird, though
[20:24] <xubuntu288> hi
[22:17] <django_> hey, i ran into problems installing ubuntu on an old hp compaq nx9020...i think the 400mhz cpu does suffice so i thought xubuntu....do you guys think that would work?
[22:17] <charlie-tca> how much ram?
[22:17] <django_> (here's a list of hardware specs fyi) http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11996_div/11996_div.html
[22:18] <django_> not sure..let me check, charlie-tca
[22:19] <django_> 224
[22:19] <django_> i just noticed..it actually has 1.4 ghz
[22:19] <charlie-tca> 224MB ram? It will be slow with Xubuntu
[22:19] <charlie-tca> probably limited to about a single app at a time.
[22:20] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu might be a better choice for it, since it is made for low memory units.
[22:20] <charlie-tca> !lubuntu
[22:20] <genii-around> Since that box can go to 1GB of ram, you should probably try to stuff some more in there first... at least 512 anyhoo
[22:21] <django_> yea more ram should do it..
[22:21] <charlie-tca> django_: you can always download and try the desktop cd. It is a live cd, so you can try without installing.
[22:21] <django_> yea i'll try that now, thanks
[22:22] <django_> it's not my own laptop...i think i'll try out lubuntu first and also ask the person whether she wants to invest a bit in more ram
[22:23] <django_> could it be a graphics card issue that the ubuntu installer didn't load though?
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Nope
[22:23] <charlie-tca> probably a direct result of the ram
[22:24] <django_> ok thanks
[22:24] <django_> i'll obt for more ram then
[22:24] <charlie-tca> Okay
[22:24] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu now requires either 384MB or 512MB to install, as I recall.
[22:26] <django_> i should have looked at that before i erased xp :(
[22:26] <django_> but whatever, i'll go get more ram tomorrow then
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Okay
[22:27] <django_> thanks a lot for your help charlie-tca, genii-around
[22:27] <charlie-tca> w
[22:27] <charlie-tca> you are welcome
[23:51] <br1> hello every1
[23:51] <knome> hey
[23:51] <br1> does anyone here speak spanish? i got a problem while installing Nnvidia driver on xubuntu
[23:51] <knome> !es | br1
[23:51] <br1> 1st time 4 me
[23:52] <br1> ty, will do
[23:54] <br1> hmm no luck over xubuntu es
[23:55] <knome> you can also try #ubuntu-es (they should be able to help with xubuntu too), or just ask in english here
[23:57] <br1> well im trying to install the driver for my Nvidia video card on xubuntu (my other pc, this one has lubuntu)
[23:57] <br1> i followed a tutorial for ubuntu in this matter
[23:57] <knome> yes, that should be the same
[23:58] <br1> but after reebot desktop doesnt word, so i tried "sudo service gdm stop" and then the same with "start"
[23:59] <knome> hmm, what happens?
[23:59] <br1> and get: gdm-binary[1354]: WARNING: Unable yo find users: no seat-id found


[06:02] <_Sponge> Bonjour tout le monde !
[07:47] <MooDoo> hello
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <popey> yo
[08:48] <popey> dholbach: I appreciate the help with snappy yesterday, I carried on working during the evening on it, and nailed down exactly the specific libraries and perl modules it needed
[08:48] <popey> dholbach: I uploaded it to the store, so it's now sat in review :) https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4540/rev/1/
[08:49] <popey> Was quite enjoyable once I got into the rhythm of making the snap
[08:49]  * popey relocates to czajkowski co-working space :)
[08:49] <popey> o/
[08:52] <dholbach> popey, awesome :-D
[08:53] <czajkowski> yay
[09:34] <davidcalle> popey: what have you snapped?
[09:34] <dholbach> cowsay :)
[09:34] <davidcalle> :)
[09:39] <MooDoo> hehe I just showed that to a friend, also cowthink :)
[10:15] <popey> davidcalle: ya, cowsay and cowthink :)
[10:22] <popey> arrrgh, power connector has failed on my laptop
[10:22] <popey> dholbach: did you venture into your laptop with a soldering iron at some point?
[10:26] <dholbach> popey, I luckily never had to
[10:27] <dholbach> popey, on the x220 I could exchange the power thing easily - I didn't have to solder
[10:27] <popey> oh
[10:27] <popey> mine, i have to hold the power cable to one side, I suspect it's come away inside from the board
[10:28] <dholbach> it takes a bit to disassemble everything, but it was quite easy to do
[10:28] <popey> might have to bust it open over lunch
[10:28] <popey> ok
[10:28] <popey> ta
[10:28] <dholbach> :-)
[11:33] <dholbach> dpm, one thing we didn't discuss (which was what I wanted to discuss originally...) was if we could interest the webteam in updating the style for text layout to be a bit more modern (like in the juju docs we looked at) or if we could add some overrides
[11:34] <dpm> dholbach, good point. I think the easiest thing would be to create a design brief for the web team to kickstart that. That's what they use to schedule their work.
[11:35] <dholbach> dpm, so no preliminary discussion with Peter?
[11:36] <dpm> dholbach, I already discussed it over e-mail a few months ago. Ultimately they end up asking for a design brief, so I would definitely have a call with Peter, but I think this time around I'd suggest to have the design brief in place before the call
[11:37] <dholbach> ok, I see
[11:48] <davidcalle> +1
[11:50] <dholbach> lunch time :)
[12:30] <czajkowski> dpm: got a moment for a quick pm ?
[13:21] <dpm> czajkowski, back from lunch, sure
[13:26] <czajkowski> thanks
[14:57] <jcastro> hey does this new meizu pro 5 work in the us?
[14:59] <mhall119> jcastro: the MX4 did, so maybe?
[15:03] <jcastro> iirc the MX4 didn't do 4G/LTE
[15:30] <jcastro> "Meizu has no FCC certification in the USA and do not sell any of its devices directly to the USA. American buyers are unlikely to get stable 4G r even 3G) speeds."
[15:30]  * jcastro shakes fist in popey's general direction
[15:31] <popey> Blame your silly anti-competitive legislature my friend :)
[15:32] <czajkowski> popey: arrives over, feed him get suggested I upgrade
[15:32] <czajkowski> now waiting on upgrade to complete
[15:33] <czajkowski> do the needful!
[15:36] <mhall119> jcastro: tedg told me that his MX4 worked fine, on 3g and 4g I think
[16:00] <balloons> it works with 3g + hspa
[16:00]  * davidcalle quickly grabs a coffee and join the call in 2m
[16:01] <balloons> no LTE.. so it's really the same as most older phones who don't have lte radios anyway
[16:01] <balloons> with the prevelance of LTE now, it's a bigger deal though.  All new devices have support
[16:27] <svij> dpm: RE: UbuCon Europe: we could do another call between 29.02. and 02.03
[17:11] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! have a good one! :-)
[17:24] <dpm> svij, sorry, we were on the team call. I'll put something in the calendar then, thanks!
[19:51] <wxl> pleia2: can you change fridge.u.c to point lubuntu at lubuntu.me? i don't mind going to the wiki, but it seems all the other links refer to websites.
[19:51] <jose> ?
[19:51] <wxl> jose: ubuntu flavors in the side bar
[19:52] <jose> let me see what I can do
[19:53] <pleia2> jose: you want to update under Links
[19:54] <jose> pleia2: thanks for the pointer! was looking around.
[19:54] <jose> wxl: should be all set now
[19:54] <wxl> thank you everyone :)
[19:54] <knome> jose, since you are there, please remove the www. from xubuntu
[19:54] <wxl> and also..
[19:54] <jose> knome: let's take a look...
[19:54] <wxl> kidding :)
[19:54] <wxl> i have another change i want to make on the wiki, but..
[19:55] <pleia2> jose: yeah, everything was moved around when they had to redistribute access (old links setup was admin only, and we're no longer admins)
[19:55]  * wxl ducks
[19:55] <jose> wxl: speak up now!
[19:55] <jose> pleia2: yup. also, will look through the comments now
[19:55] <wxl> jose: kidding, kidding. don't worry about it. unless you can make the wiki mutable :)
[19:55] <jose> wxl: >.>
[19:55] <pleia2> jose: thanks :)
[19:55] <pleia2> jose: it's been a while
[19:55] <wxl> does anyone know if we're going to be mutable by thursday? (14.04.4 point release)
[19:55] <jose> pleia2: no prob! have some time now :)
[19:55] <jose> knome: should be all set now, can you please double check?
[19:55] <wxl> and by thursday i mean tomorrow.
[19:56] <jose> wxl: most likely, yes.
[19:56] <knome> jose, i believe i'm hitting caching
[19:56] <wxl> thx jose
[19:56] <pleia2> hope so
[19:56] <jose> knome: ctrl+f5?
[19:56] <knome> ctrl+shift+R
[19:56] <jose> wxl: no prob :)
[19:56] <knome> still says www.
[19:57] <pleia2> it's updated, just heavy caching
[19:57] <knome> yeah
[21:13] <mhall119> pleia2: do you have an rt# handy for getting access to the help wiki back?
[21:14] <pleia2> mhall119: 27950
[21:14] <knome> what about an/the EditorGroup for wiki.ubuntu.com?
[21:15] <knome> should we list people who should be in such?
[21:15] <wxl> isn't it dependent on successful SSO login, knome?
[21:15] <pleia2> for clarity of everyone:
[21:16] <pleia2> help.ubuntu.com/community/ wiki has the AdminGroup and and EditorGroup, both are adminish-level but EditorGroup has helped us survive the lockdown from early January
[21:16] <knome> wxl, no, EditorGroup means a specific group of people who have the editing rights even when the wiki is in lcokdown
[21:16] <pleia2> both groups there have community members
[21:16] <wxl> oh i see what you mean
[21:16] <pleia2> wiki.ubuntu.com only has an AdminGroup AFAICT and that's Canonical-only I think, community members have no access to editing right now
[21:16] <wxl> as a temporary solution
[21:17] <wxl> because it would be nice to get through this freaking point release!!!
[21:17] <knome> temporary, and the editors have some extra powers too
[21:17] <pleia2> for help.ubuntu.com/community/ we have also proposed a ContributorGroup of known contributors in the community (not Admin or Editor) who are allowed access even during lockdown times
[21:18] <pleia2> without having to give them any admin powers
[21:18] <knome> is there any blocker for having the same EditorGroup for both wikis?
[21:18] <wxl> if that's an option, i'd really like to see that implemented asap
[21:18] <pleia2> I don't know if there is a political reason for not allowing community members access to wiki.u.c
[21:18] <wxl> release folks really need it
[21:19] <pleia2> but syncing them up would be good
[21:19] <knome> should we just ask about this on #canonical-sysadmin