 Good help has arrived .
[02:49] <OerHeks> Yes, put some buns in the oven!
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/kde-software-store-to-soon-offer-downloads-in-snap-flatpak-and-appimage-formats-507942.shtml
[04:53] <OerHeks> snap + flatpack?
[04:53] <OerHeks> i'd love to see those bite eachother
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:23] <ducasse> \o
[06:26] <OerHeks> hi ducasse
[06:26] <ducasse> morning OerHeks, how are you today?
[06:27] <OerHeks> New week, new chances, so pretty good. how about you?
[06:29] <ducasse> i'm ok, thanks. got my teacup, trying to pry my eyes open :)
[06:29] <OerHeks> sometimes water helps .. not hot tea!
[06:30] <EriC^^> morning
[06:30] <OerHeks> heya EriC^^
[06:30] <EriC^^> hey OerHeks
[06:31] <ducasse> EriC^^, wb
[06:31] <EriC^^> ty ducasse
[06:31] <ducasse> EriC^^: decided which laptop you're getting?
[06:31] <EriC^^> not yet, tough call this one :)
[06:32] <ducasse> i know :) i agonized over my last machine purchase :)
[06:32] <EriC^^> :)
[06:33] <OerHeks> What machine/specs is that, ducasse ?
[06:34] <ducasse> it's an i7 4790k, 32gb ram, 2xsamsung 850 evo
[06:34] <ducasse> bought it just as skylake was coming out, but it had too many problems at the time
[06:35] <OerHeks> now skylake is old ..
[06:36] <ducasse> it makes no difference to me, that desktop is plenty fast for everything i do.
[06:36] <ducasse> got an old core 2 duo, even that is usable as a desktop with an ssd.
[08:10] <EriC^^> if you dd an iso using bs=4M, then you put the usb in again it says
[08:11] <EriC^^> Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes. and it gives the size of the disk wrong, running dd with bs=512 for a little fixes it
[08:11] <EriC^^> i wonder how that could be avoided if you wanted to dd an iso but keep a large bs to it transfers quicker
[08:11] <EriC^^> *so it
[08:14] <ducasse> hmm, interesting.
[08:15] <EriC^^> when it says the driver descriptor, it means the actual firmware of the usb?
[08:16] <EriC^^> running it with bs=512 did fix it though, so that's odd
[08:17] <EriC^^> brb, want to test the new 36 kernel to see if suspend issues are working
[08:23] <EriC^^> suspend working on the 36 kernel :D
[08:24] <ducasse> \o/
[08:29] <ducasse> dammit, why can't mikrotik fix their bloody mailing list? i've subscribed twice, and i still don't get notified of new releases.
[09:00] <OerHeks> oh yeah, i forgot, mate does not have a software center???
[09:01] <Ben64> i think it does
[09:02] <OerHeks> nope, just reading in #ubuntu, and i encouterd this before ?
[09:06] <Ben64> could have sworn it was on my mom's computer when i installed mate
[09:07] <OerHeks> muon  perhaps?
[09:07] <Ben64> maybe
[09:08] <OerHeks> software-boutique, fancy
[09:08] <Ben64> quite.
[09:09] <OerHeks> boujour, pretemps toujour avec paturain
[09:48] <daftykins> o0
[09:55] <ducasse> \o daftykins
[09:58] <daftykins> good morning!
[09:59]  * ducasse is playing with weston today
[09:59]  * ducasse likes
[10:01] <daftykins> hmm not familiar
[10:01] <daftykins> i'm playing with these - http://imgur.com/a/PojKC
[10:01] <daftykins> :D
[10:02] <ducasse> weston is the reference wayland compositor (wm)
[10:03] <ducasse> oooh, looky nice! i've only got a peir of old kef's.
[10:03] <ducasse> *pair
[10:04] <ducasse> weston is super silky smooth, far beyond x11. if this is representative of how wayland will be, i can't wait.
[10:13] <daftykins> :>
[10:13] <Ben64> that wiring
[10:13] <daftykins> my only issue is how little i'll know how to support it
[10:13] <daftykins> Ben64: hah yeah, some cat6 UTP out of the box and stripped XD
[10:14] <daftykins> i bought the setup yesterday with no wires from the seller so i improvised ;D
[10:14] <Ben64> i got monoprice speakers :)
[10:14] <daftykins> i read monoprice do some nice 12 gauge speaker wire! but they're nowhere near me of course, being where i am
[10:15] <Ben64> i have yet to get something from them that hasn't been great
[10:15] <Ben64> 5.1 speakers, sound fantastic
[10:32] <ducasse> daftykins: is that a nad receiver/amp?
[10:39] <daftykins> yes sir
[10:39] <OerHeks> awesome, pokemon-rootkit http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pokemon-themed-umbreon-linux-rootkit-hits-x86-arm-systems/
[10:39] <daftykins> the C 315 BEE
[10:40] <daftykins> both it and the wharfedale speakers got 5 stars in tonnes of reviews :O
[10:40] <daftykins> i paid £160 for the lot, but they would've been £330 new
[10:42] <ducasse> my first amp was a nad 3020, a classic today. had lots of nad gear over the years, always been extremely happy with it.
[10:42] <daftykins> oh yeah i saw pics of that one when i was hunting around about this one
[10:43] <daftykins> i got a CD unit from the seller as well but i've not even bothered plugging it in XD
[10:43] <ducasse> looking at a small digital amp now, was thinking of connecting it to my desktop and running mpd to control the music.
[10:43] <daftykins> ah i've used optical from my PC into speakers for over 15 years now
[10:44] <daftykins> switched to digital coaxial for a bit, then i couldn't get it for the skylake build so went back to optical
[10:45] <ducasse> i've got some kef bookshelf speakers, fairly good. this amp can drive regular speakers, so all i'll need is to drill a hole in the wall for the optical cable :)
[10:46] <daftykins> huzzah, the guy that delivers Dell stuff has the latest XPS13 for me \o/
[10:46] <daftykins> most recently ordered that is, i'm sure there's a Kaby Lake one getting announced soon
[10:47] <ducasse> yay! i'd love one of those :)
[10:47] <daftykins> i'm typing from mine now 8D lovely machines
[10:48] <ducasse> got a nasty old hp laptop, but all it does is run terminals with ssh/tmux sessions, plus a browser.
[10:49] <ducasse> how much are you getting the xps13 for?
[10:52] <daftykins> this one is the i5, 8GB, 256GB SSD and 1920x1080 res screen model for £580 delivered on dell's outlet page, where they do the refurished ones
[10:52] <daftykins> but i got another 10% off there from a voucher on the site - and we don't have VAT here so 20% off vs. England for example
[10:53] <ducasse> that's not bad, they're nice machines.
[10:53] <daftykins> yeah, same model is £999 on the site usually i think
[10:54] <daftykins> i always watch the outlet when someone tells me they want a machine :D i sold this client one by just showing him mine
[10:55] <ducasse> outside my budget, unfortunately :) been thinking of getting a used thinkpad or something.
[11:06] <Ben64> i found a bunch of cheap laptops on overstock
[11:06] <Ben64> $300 for i5
[11:11] <daftykins> yeah but which generation
[11:11] <daftykins> we're already on the 7th :>
[11:11] <Ben64> slightly older but still
[11:11] <Ben64> pop in an ssd and it'd be good
[11:11] <daftykins> i'm selling my sandybridge i5 asus with 8GB RAM and a 256GB SSD for £250 to a local mate
[11:12] <Ben64> sounded expensive at first but since thats almost $250 that sounds good
[11:12] <Ben64> i still think $*2=£
[11:13] <daftykins> heh, i still think of £1 to $1.50 which was a nice rate
[11:13] <Ben64> it was about 2 when i was there last
[11:13] <Ben64> want to go sometime next year
[11:14] <Ben64> hard to get friends to commit to a trip
[11:14] <daftykins> indeed!
[11:14] <daftykins> i'm heading over to the US on Thursday
[11:14] <Ben64> ooh what for
[11:14] <Ben64> and where
[11:15] <daftykins> visiting a few folks around that i know from IRC etc, heading into Colorado to do some hiking in Rocky Mountain National Park to start :)
[11:15] <Ben64> hp probook with phenom 2 x4 for $192
[11:16] <Ben64> great for basic stuff...
[11:16] <Ben64> daftykins: sounds fun
[11:16] <daftykins> i never liked AMD mobile chips
[11:16] <Ben64> their APUs are a better deal
[11:17] <daftykins> hrmm this Dell is giving me a real hard time booting in EFI mode, seems they've borked their own BIOS
[11:18] <Ben64> sandy bridge i5 notebook $290
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:32] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[11:34] <ducasse> BluesKaj: have you tested yakkety yet? thinking of upgrading my laptop.
[11:38] <BluesKaj> yeah, I've been testing yakkety for a while , after the beta 1 release I had a problem with network-manager not recognizing my NIC ethernet connection  no matter what I tried , so I reverted to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head and the /etc/network/interfaces file settings with static IP in my LAN
[11:40] <BluesKaj> ducasse, ^
[11:41] <ducasse> i use nm with wifi on this laptop, will need to see if that causes problems.
[11:42] <BluesKaj> I haven'r seen and other complainys about it in the dev chats so I might be fixed by now
[11:42] <BluesKaj> complaints
[11:43] <ducasse> ok, thanks for the heads up. i'm playing with wayland, so i need newer packages of tons of stuff.
[11:43] <BluesKaj> I haven't tried yakkety on my laptop , sticking with Xenial for now
[11:44] <BluesKaj> which desktop?
[11:46] <BluesKaj> ducasse, I'm on KDE/Plasma DE so your experience may be different for sure
[11:49] <ducasse> i'm using i3, installed a minimal install from the server image and just added what i need.
[11:49] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:50] <ducasse> i really want to get sway - http://swaywm.org - working but xenial is too old already.
[11:52] <BluesKaj> how's wayland working out ?
[11:52] <ducasse> i'm actually impressed, just set up weston earlier today and it's super smooth.
[11:53] <ducasse> it's NOT ready for daily use, though. lots of x11 stuff doesn't work as it should.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> so wayland needs a compositor like kwin on kde \
[11:59] <ducasse> a wayland compositor includes both the compositor and the wm, on x11 they can be two different programs.
[11:59] <ducasse> aiui, at least.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> yeah, kwin is an integrated compositor
[12:00] <ducasse> yep, some are. i use compton + i3 on x11, though.
[12:03] <ducasse> but if wayland today is representative of what it will be like in the future, then i'm very happy. there are some technical decisions i don't agree with, but overall it looks good.
[12:05] <daftykins> just tell me where wayland.conf is and i'll be set for another bunch of years support ;)
[12:08] <ducasse> daftykins: ~/.config/weston.ini - depends on the compositor :)
[12:09] <daftykins> and so the learning from scratch begins again!
[12:09] <daftykins> not sure i'll be able to learn that one though since i don't use a desktop Linux
[12:11] <ducasse> i decided to take a look at wayland, just can't think of any reasons to take mir seriously.
[12:11] <daftykins> nah i'd rather see standardisation, but typical FOSS - plenty of choice
[12:11] <daftykins> and in that particular case, no reason to have it
[12:12] <ducasse> i think they'll have to give up on mir at some point, nobody else is showing any interest at all.
[12:12] <daftykins> even made intel angry :D
[12:13] <ducasse> aiui, they flat-out insulted the devs and insisted they take on patches for their one-customer project...
[12:14] <daftykins> haha
[12:15] <ducasse> patches that intel would then have to maintain, so i can see why they got angry.
[12:15] <daftykins> Dear intel, Charity help please. Signed, Canonical
[12:16] <ducasse> dear canonical, sod off. signed, intel.
[12:16] <daftykins> :)
[12:16] <daftykins> that was a delightfully British reply!
[12:16] <ducasse> watched too much british tv, probably :)
[12:17] <ducasse> (anf thought the f-word was a bit harsh)
[12:17] <ducasse> *and
[12:18] <ducasse> i get that canonical want to control the stack, the problem is that nobody else wants that :)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> think canonical figured they would start a movement to mir and some how profit from it ...just a guess why elswe would they go against wayland and weston
[12:25] <ducasse> mir is under that horrid cla thingy, wayland is under mit.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> shuttleworth's ego got in the way of logic with mir IMO
[12:26] <ducasse> possibly, i don't know if he's actually making technical decisions on that level.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> ok , cia and mit ?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> ducasse, he must be , that's kind of major
[12:28] <ducasse> cla is canonical's "community licence", which basically says they own the code and can close it if they please. mit is the same licence x11 is under, the bsd licence.
[12:28]  * BluesKaj nods
[12:29] <ducasse> if he _is_ making these decisions, i wonder if he is qualified to do so...
[12:30] <BluesKaj> well he did develop a 250 million dollar software company ...he must have some technical expertise besides business sense
[12:32] <ducasse> i honestly have no idea, mir just seems like a very bad idea. but that's just my perspective, i don't know what canonical knows etc.
[12:32] <ducasse> in my view it would just make sense to join everyone else and develop wayland.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> I'm sure canonical knows that wayland was the way of the future but thought they could out flank it bu promoting mir and monetize it somehow
[12:34] <BluesKaj> bu=by
[12:35] <ducasse> i think they want mir to have control over the ubuntu touch stack, in case that goes big. i could be wrong.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> somehow being the operative word ..pie in the sky :-)
[12:36] <ducasse> they mad a big fuss about being able to use android graphics drivers, but the library they used was developed for wayland :)
[12:36] <ducasse> *made
[12:36] <BluesKaj> doubt that ubuntu phones are going anywhere , they're way too late in the game
[12:37] <ducasse> probably. it would be nice with another big player, though.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> I'm not a big phone user ...I use mine as a phone mostly, check my email via wifi and take a few pics now and then. The data option is turned off.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> cell phone data rates are extrremely high in Canada
[12:40] <ducasse> me neither, just voice and sms. last month i used 13mb data.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> it's nothing to have a 200buck phone bill here
[12:41] <BluesKaj> cell phone bill
[12:41] <ducasse> wow, that's 10 times what i pay...
[12:43] <BluesKaj> if you use the data option, but we pay $16/mos ...pay as we go plan
[12:45] <BluesKaj> 200bucks is why the users who are addicted to their phones, can't spend more than 5 mins in a conversation with anyone without pulling the phone out and checking their "messages"
[12:46] <BluesKaj> and it's not just younger people
[12:56] <daftykins> oh look there's a zombie... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Adobe-Will-Update-Linux-Flash
[13:01] <ducasse> urgh, just die already.
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yeah, can't understand the reluctance by webmasters to adopt html5 ..is it that much work ?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> ok, installed the new flash 23 beta plugin and it works, even on a site that always indicated that i needed to update or install flashpalyer
[13:40] <OerHeks> new flash 23 beta plugin ??
[13:41] <OerHeks> ... scary ...
[13:41] <BluesKaj> wonder if it works on raspian ..I won't know til the sdcard arrives
[13:41] <BluesKaj> yeah
[13:41] <OerHeks> maybe you are powned by the new pokemon-rootkit-botnet-trouble
[13:42] <OerHeks> http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pokemon-themed-umbreon-linux-rootkit-hits-x86-arm-systems/
[13:42] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, well we have to work with what's available...webmasters don't seem to want to convert to HTML5 so what eslae can we do
[13:43] <OerHeks> fire that webmaster .... no, wait .. fire @ webmaster!
[13:43] <OerHeks> he must convert, as all browsers give the banana to jack this year.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> my arm system is disabled atm , my sdcard crapped out so i ordered new one
[13:45] <BluesKaj> gonna move root to a usb stick and just use the sdcard for booting the raspi3
[13:47] <OerHeks> You don't have a spare ext hdd ?
[13:47] <OerHeks> there is a bootloader for that.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> yes I have spare hdd, but it's an ide
[13:50] <BluesKaj> my sata 1TB WD died as did my sata250GB WD
[13:50] <BluesKaj> no more WDs for me
[13:50] <OerHeks> :-(
[13:52] <BluesKaj> but a 64Gb usb will work just fine on the rasbpi I thiink
[13:52] <OerHeks> err.. rasp 3?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> raspberrypi 3
[13:53] <daftykins> you can't pin two fails on a whole brand :)
[13:53] <daftykins> every brand sucks as much as the next nowadays!
[13:53] <OerHeks> oh oke, that supports 64 gb
[13:55] <BluesKaj> well seagte used to have poor rep for qualityin my price range so i stuck with WD all thses yrs, now my old seagate 160Gb ide drive from 2005 is still working
[13:56] <OerHeks> seagate has a very low failure
[13:58] <BluesKaj> my Samsung EVO 850 ssd is great so far replacing the 250 WD that died last yr
[14:05] <daftykins> seagate have dropped to a 2 year warranty here :( i won't even consider that
[16:22] <Guest40251> Good moring
[16:23] <Guest40251> does anyone use Ubuntu Server? I have Amahi and thinking of switching thoughts?
[16:35] <ducasse> amahi? never heard of.
[16:41] <Guest40251> its rund son fedora, amahi.org
[16:44] <ducasse> Guest40251: no idea about that, i set up what i need myself.
[16:46] <Guest40251> what do you use
[16:47] <Guest40251> Im currently running plex and file back up, what do you recomend
[16:49] <ducasse> i have a zfs file server serving files over nfs, attic for backup and kodi for media.
[16:51] <Guest40251> Ok, what is the OS that you run?
[16:53] <ducasse> ubuntu 16.04
[16:54] <Guest40251> destop side or server side?
[16:55] <ducasse> everything, except the rpi that runs kodi, it runs openelec.
[16:57] <Guest40251> ok, so running the server side for plex and file back up will do the trick and i have one stand alone tower and then everybodys personel computers
[16:58] <ducasse> i have no windows machines, though, so i don't need samba etc.
[17:00] <Guest40251> alright, i have 4 windows pc, that need to talk to the server
[17:03] <ducasse> then you will need samba.
[17:03] <Guest40251> does ubuntu allow for disk pooling, is there web acesses since their no qui or is it all cmd line
[17:08] <ducasse> there's no real admin gui, the best way (imo) is command line. but i've been using linux for 25 years or so, so i'm familiar with it.
[17:10] <Guest40251> im defenently a newbie have only been using linux for about a year, I just want a reliable home server to stream all my media (through plex) and back up / share files
[17:12] <ducasse> Guest40251: then something like amahi or openmediavault might be a good choice. i don't know much about them.
[17:17] <Guest40251> amahi is what im running now, it has worked well but has crashed a couple of times in the last year for no reason. I understand that they need up keep, but it some how has randomly deleted the the samba log file and now i cant get to my files
[17:18] <ducasse> look at their web page where their support channels are, this is not a support channel.
[17:18] <Guest40251> Im going have to reinstall it so i was just looking at other distros to see if they are better to switch over to
[17:19] <Guest40251> oh i have been, i understand that. I wasnt asking for it
[17:19] <ducasse> i've heard good things about freenas and openmediavault, but freenas is very picky about hardware.
[17:19] <Guest40251> just explaining the situation, if i need to reinstall i should look around and see other option
[17:19] <ducasse> rockstor looks interesting, too.
[17:20] <Guest40251> openmedia vault and plex dont work well but ill look at rockstor
[17:20] <Guest40251> thank you
[17:29] <ducasse> i would look if your system can run freenas, it has a really good reputation.
[18:16] <Ben64> why do people always come in from the same ip and talk to each other :|
[18:23] <OerHeks> just playing the fool.
[18:24] <Ben64> my theory ... it's a school thing, they connect to irc to chat secretly in class, but they should have their own channel for it
[18:34] <dax> that's usually what it is
[18:48] <daftykins> Ben64: first one is the idiot with the problem being goaded into trying Linux, then the second one is the one that knows just enough to be dangerous and is trying to get the other to use it
[18:48] <daftykins> :)
[18:48] <daftykins> EriC^^: o/
[18:48] <EriC^^> daftykins: hello o/
[18:49] <EriC^^> how's it going this evening?
[18:50] <daftykins> not bad thanks! just been tidying up the new stereo - also got another Dell XPS13 9350 to spruce up for a client before i leave :) how's you? did you take any night photos in the end?
[18:50] <EriC^^> nice
[18:50] <EriC^^> i'm ok thanks, not yet
[18:52] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/pgYiy
[18:53] <EriC^^> that is sweet
[18:54] <EriC^^> holy crap
[18:55] <EriC^^> is that a cd player?
[18:55] <daftykins> yeah the guy was selling the deck as well for cheap so i thought why not
[18:56] <daftykins> £170 for the lot
[18:56] <daftykins> (not the logitech squeezebox on top though, i owned that already)
[18:56] <EriC^^> cool
[18:56] <daftykins> ah the quality is amazing :>
[18:56] <EriC^^> i want to get something set up like that for the balcony
[18:56] <EriC^^> currently have a really really old aiwa stereo
[18:57] <daftykins> ah yeah
[18:57] <daftykins> i was using my little minidisc + CD micro system before, in this pic lower left - http://i.imgur.com/8FajIHx.jpg
[18:57] <daftykins> just a toy in comparison XD
[18:58] <EriC^^> :D
[18:59] <EriC^^> what's that thing to the right that's metallic?
[18:59] <EriC^^> it's so interesting
[18:59] <daftykins> whereabouts?
[18:59] <EriC^^> like a light switch?
[18:59] <daftykins> oh yep
[18:59] <daftykins> just the room light yeah
[19:00] <EriC^^> aha
[19:00] <EriC^^> never seen that one before
[19:00] <daftykins> pretty much 100% what the previous owner had when i moved in
[19:00] <EriC^^> you guys have different door handles as well
[19:00] <EriC^^> they're all L-shaped here
[19:00] <daftykins> ours usually too, my house is 17th century built though
[19:01] <EriC^^> cool
[19:02] <EriC^^> someday i will visit london
[19:02] <EriC^^> or britain
[19:02] <daftykins> :)
[19:02] <daftykins> travel is fun, though i'm not looking forward to the long flights
[19:03] <daftykins> as i'm off to the US on Thursday
[19:03] <EriC^^> oh really?
[19:03] <EriC^^> where abouts to int he US?
[19:03] <EriC^^> *in the
[19:03] <ducasse> daftykins: looks like i'll be ordering the digital amp i found today tomorrow \o/
[19:04] <daftykins> :D
[19:04] <ducasse> now i just need a smart music player...
[19:04] <daftykins> EriC^^: Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado... Kansas City for a baseball game, Houston, Texas for a couple of days, then the very northern tip of Michigan :>
[19:05] <EriC^^> oh wow
[19:05] <daftykins> i apologise in advance if when i get back at the end of September, i complain about planes loads ;)
[19:06] <EriC^^> yeah that flight can be tiring
[19:06] <EriC^^> and the jet lag too
[19:06] <ducasse> melatonin ftw
[19:09] <EriC^^> :D
[19:11] <daftykins> well you know the hours i keep ;) east coast US time already!
[19:11] <ducasse> hehe - "more better performance" :)
[19:11] <EriC^^> haha
[19:11] <daftykins> make it more better!
[19:13] <ducasse> moar all the things!
[19:14] <ducasse> saw this the other day - æ
[19:14] <ducasse> saw this the other day - 'annomonesly'
[19:14] <ducasse> :)
[19:14] <daftykins> the symbol? in what context?
[19:15] <ducasse> ignore first attempt, hit æ+enter by mistake.
[19:15] <daftykins> ah
[19:16] <ducasse> i want to be annomones too!
[19:25] <daftykins> must be an annomones sea annemoneeee ;)
[19:29] <ducasse> !info wayland-protocols yakkety
[19:41] <ducasse> argh, i want to hurt something! damn thing refuses to build...
[19:42] <ducasse> too tired to make sense of this, going to get some sleep. night, all!
[21:01] <Bashing-om> !info mysql
[21:02] <Bashing-om> !info mysql-client
[22:39] <Bashing-om> !wily
[22:42] <Bashing-om> Is the wily repo still on-line ?
[22:47] <daftykins> everything is at old-releases. i think
[22:47] <daftykins> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[23:37] <Bashing-om> !info libyaml-libyaml-perl
[23:41] <Bashing-om> !info libdata-alias-perl
[23:44] <tanja_> thanks for that info Bashing-om
[23:45] <Bashing-om> tanja_: Hey . I hang with ya, see if you get to the bottom and the server back in service .
[23:47] <daftykins> (:
[23:48] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Loves his servers ! He too may be look'n over your shoulder .
[23:48] <tanja_> I actually think I will get the zfs pool up also I just want to be sure the server is uptodate first
[23:50] <daftykins> indeed no point dealing with external volumes until a host is current :>
[23:51] <tanja_> daftykins: specially because there is over 5 tb in that pool
[23:52] <daftykins> that's nothing versus modern standards
[23:54] <tanja_> true, but well if I shoud download that from amazon backup then I would say rip internet ( the server is atm on my home connection 80/20 mbit )
[23:54] <daftykins> were you the one running non-LTS? you'll want to avoid doing things like that
[23:56] <tanja_> yeah the old server were 12.10 because it were a cold offline storage, and only got network when the backup should be taken and it has this night been upgraded to 16.04 step by step
[23:57] <daftykins> ouch
[23:57] <daftykins> you don't mean the LTS, 12.04?
[23:57] <daftykins> being offline is even more reason not to run non-LTS (12.10 wasn't LTS)
[23:57] <daftykins> anyway, in the present now...
[23:58] <tanja_> it were 12.10 because that were the cd I had when i installed the server back in the days and yeah that were a huge mistake by the non lts


[03:10] <Jonathan_e> Hello  Should Ubuntu automatically detect ntfs hd , i.e.,attached usb storage devices?
[08:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:01] <Mikaela> hi
[14:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:55] <Mikaela> hi
[16:33] <andlabs> question if anyone hass uch a ssetup
[16:34] <andlabs> will the gtk+ 3.14 or 3.16 that will come with vivid have the gtk+ inspector feature enabled or available in a package or something?


[00:00] <wxl> teward: oh???
[00:00] <jose> nhaines: admin rights? if so please share
[00:00] <jose> mod isn't enough to create wiki articles :(
[00:00] <jose> anything else urgent anyone wants to bring up?
[00:00] <wxl> all i care about is having access to the cc category
[00:00] <jose> otherwise we'll close the floor
[00:00] <nhaines> jose: maybe! I'll check tonight.
[00:00] <Eickmeyer> Gotta go. Bye everyone! o/
[00:00] <linaporras> no...
[00:00] <wxl> close it up
[00:00] <jose> Thanks everyone for participating! See y'all in two weeks, same time!
[00:00] <linaporras> we can go bed or continue working...
[00:00] <jose> #endmeeting
[00:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 00:00:50 2020 UTC.
[00:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-11-18-23.07.moin.txt
[00:01] <nhaines> Bye, everyone! :)
[00:01] <teward> see ya
[00:01] <teward> thanks for chairing Jose
[00:01] <linaporras> bye!
[00:01] <toddy> jose: thanks for chairing
[00:01] <wxl> thanks to everyone especially nhaines and linaporras for showing up
[00:01] <linaporras> +1 jose!
[00:01] <wxl> it's really great to have the full team
[00:01] <wxl> i really really really REALLY appreciate that
[00:01] <jose> indeed it is :)
[00:01] <linaporras>  hope to be hear every 2 weeks!!!!
[00:01] <wxl> gold stars for all of you!
[00:02] <toddy> and for you, wxl
[00:02] <nhaines> I must've gotten my time zones mixed up!
[00:02] <nhaines> But now I'm ready for next time!
[00:02] <jose> DST :)
[00:04] <nhaines> Yup. Still not happy about the sun setting at 4:45 pm. :)
[00:04] <toddy> good night. :)
[00:05] <nhaines> Good night, toddy!
[00:07] <jose> sleep well!
[15:57] <bdmurray> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Nov 19 16:01:08 2020 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:01] <sil2100> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[16:01] <bdmurray> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint mwhudson juliank waveform slyon)
[16:01] <bdmurray> bdmurray sil2100 mwhudson xnox vorlon juliank doko rbalint slyon tdaitx waveform
[16:01] <rbalint> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray> uploaded Bionic SRU for LP: #1854148
[16:01] <bdmurray> uploaded Groovy, Focal SRUs for LP: #1870060
[16:01] <bdmurray> verified the above SRU
[16:01] <bdmurray> uploaded Groovy, Focal SRUs for LP: #1848829
[16:02] <bdmurray> wrote a test case for the above too
[16:02] <bdmurray> sponsored Bionic SRU for LP: #1611737
[16:02] <bdmurray> investigation into gdb bug LP: #1818918
[16:02] <bdmurray> merged libssh
[16:02] <bdmurray> wrote a better tool for removing EoL crash data from the Error Tracker
[16:02] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:02] <bdmurray> sil2100:
[16:02] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[16:02] <sil2100> - Reviews for the focal HWE update
[16:02] <sil2100> - NEW reviews
[16:02] <sil2100> - DMB meeting
[16:02] <sil2100> - Reviewing DBus get/set PR from Lukas
[16:02] <sil2100> - Some training
[16:02] <sil2100> - Adding new kab language-pack
[16:02] <sil2100> - 20.04.2/EOL/Archive opening retrospective
[16:02] <sil2100> - Finalizing some archive opening tasks in a work-session
[16:02] <sil2100> - Started drafting action items for ESM britney
[16:02] <sil2100> - Sponsoring some u-boot backports
[16:02] <sil2100> - Discussions
[16:02] <sil2100> - Working on the ubuntu-image backlog
[16:02] <sil2100> (done)
[16:03] <bdmurray> xnox:
[16:03] <xnox> riscv64 build & cloud-images are now available as chroots, lxd, and non-bootable .img
[16:03] <xnox> next livecd-rootfs upload to hirsute should make .img bootable with uboot-qemu
[16:03] <xnox> made u-boot-menu look nicer with Ubuntu branding
[16:03] <xnox> s390-tools 2.15.1 packaging work, now out.
[16:03] <xnox> lots of things stuck in proposed migration
[16:03] <xnox> done
[16:04] <juliank> I don't really have anything public I can think of to say right now
[16:04] <juliank> it's vorlon's turn actually
[16:04] <bdmurray> vorlon: ?
[16:05] <vorlon>  * working on proposed-migration: ghc transition should finish today!
[16:05] <vorlon>  * discussions around handling of the nvidia-cuda-toolkit package in the archive
[16:05] <bdmurray> sil2100: 20.04.2 retrospective? that's forward thinking
[16:05] <vorlon>  * next week: not going to be at the meeting because Thanksgiving
[16:05] <vorlon> (done)
[16:05] <doko> - started GCC 11 packaging
[16:05] <doko> - investigated three different cross compiler ftbfs
[16:05] <doko> - started bisecting our armhf compiler problem
[16:05] <doko> - binutils & gcc updates
[16:05] <doko> - various ftbfs fixes and test triggers
[16:05] <doko> - +1 maintenance starting today
[16:05] <doko> (done)
[16:05] <sil2100> bdmurray: aaaaaaaa
[16:05] <rbalint> * internal trainings
[16:05] <rbalint> * landing glibc again to hirsute
[16:05] <rbalint> * found more retry strings for autopkgtest infra
[16:05] <rbalint> * reverted dash to fix LP: #1904406
[16:05] <rbalint> * sponsored update-notifier 3.192.36 after fixing up the packaging repo's missing files
[16:05] <rbalint> * partner work
[16:05] <sil2100> bdmurray: was supposed to be 20.10 retrospective! What was I thinking?
[16:05] <rbalint> * endorsed slyon's MOTU application
[16:05] <rbalint> * +1 maintenance
[16:05] <rbalint> (done)
[16:05] <sil2100> bdmurray: it's not even close!
[16:05] <slyon> - proposed-migration for curl, trying to fix etcd flakiness
[16:05] <slyon>   * some test retries and etcd hinted, MP#394173
[16:05] <slyon> - s390-tools Bionic SRU, bug #1865032
[16:05] <slyon>   * Investigating bug #1860574 & bug #1859018 => invalid/released
[16:05] <slyon> - Applied for MOTU & netplan.io PPU
[16:05] <slyon> [16:05] <slyon> - Investigating MTU bug #1724895 => fix released
[16:05] <slyon> - Debugging interface rename issue via IRC, bug #1904662
[16:06] <slyon> - Working on OVScon talk/slides
[16:06] <slyon> - Discussions about NetworkManager snap & r/w plugin
[16:06] <slyon> - Improving NM netplan backend spec
[16:06] <slyon> - Improving DBus code from PR#170
[16:06] <slyon> - Investigating 'link-local:' stanza => missing for NM backend
[16:06] <slyon> - Looking into new PR#172
[16:06] <slyon> (done)
[16:06] <tdaitx> * finally got openjdk-8 to migrate from hirsute-proposed
[16:06] <tdaitx> * opened bug 1903929 about openjdk uploads (non-default-java) triggering unnecessary tests)
[16:06] <tdaitx>   - digged into britney autopkgtest policy, depends, and relationships
[16:06] <tdaitx>   - no clear way to prevent it from happening (that I can see)
[16:06] <tdaitx>   - custom rule (similar to gcc) would work, but feels dirty and does not scale
[16:06] <tdaitx>   - unclear if ignoring alt-deps wouldn't cause unexpected problems
[16:06] <tdaitx>   - kinda feels like autopkgtest policy could have for its own hook/policies
[16:06] <tdaitx>   - pinged Laney about it
[16:06] <tdaitx>   - not a priority, but wanted to get the discussion and inputs going
[16:06] <tdaitx> * started upstream discussion on how to get jtdiff to accept report files not necessarily named 'summary.txt' (as in the current hardcoded check)
[16:06] <tdaitx> * adding better support for lxd in jck scripts (remotes, project)
[16:06] <tdaitx>   - improving resilience: too many places where it can get stuck and unresponsive
[16:06] <tdaitx> (done)
[16:06] <bdmurray> WaVeR:
[16:06] <bdmurray> oops
[16:06] <bdmurray> waveform:
[16:07] <waveform> * Worked on u-boot SRU (LP: #1903054)
[16:07] <waveform> * Worked on flash-kernel merge (LP: #1904890)
[16:07] <waveform> * Investigated multi-kernel setup for f-k
[16:07] <waveform> * Worked on bluez patch upstreaming (LP: #1903048)
[16:07] <waveform> * Core 20 boot meetings
[16:07] <waveform> (done)
[16:07] <bdmurray> any questions on status?
[16:08] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[16:08] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:09] <bdmurray> bug 1903849 is in progress
[16:09] <bdmurray> bug 1901043
[16:10] <xnox> ew
[16:10] <sil2100> This one?
[16:10] <sil2100> We still didn't take it?
[16:10] <sil2100> I thought we did
[16:11] <bdmurray> No, we haven't taken it yet
[16:11] <bdmurray> Would it be good for 20.04.2?
[16:12] <bdmurray> Well, I guess we should see if it is broken in 20.04.2 first
[16:12] <bdmurray> er 20.04.1
[16:12] <xnox> hm, yeah i don't think we check if it's broken in focal dailies.
[16:12] <xnox> it is broken in groovy
[16:12] <bdmurray> So let's take that for investigation
[16:12] <sil2100> +1
[16:12] <bdmurray> bug 1900668
[16:13] <juliank> 2.9/candidate is said to work all the time
[16:13] <juliank> maas that is
[16:13] <juliank> is what #13 says
[16:13] <bdmurray> Given that it's being investigated let's card it.
[16:13] <juliank> but yeah
[16:14] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:14] <bdmurray> doko is there any update on bug 1890435?
[16:15] <bdmurray> Christian has added some more info
 - started bisecting our armhf compiler problem
[16:15] <bdmurray> ah, great
[16:16] <bdmurray> bug 1871538 is tagged champagne but we still don't have enough
[16:16] <bdmurray> have enough something somethin
[16:16] <bdmurray> So perhaps we should untag it?
[16:17] <rbalint> +1
[16:18] <bdmurray> okay
[16:18] <slyon> +1, has been sitting too long without activity..
[16:18] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:18] <bdmurray> bug 1900390 has already been carded
[16:18] <bdmurray> so that's that for bugs
[16:18] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:19] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[16:19] <vorlon> [LINK] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:20] <juliank> 147 packages needing attention, 12 packages not yet considered late
[16:20] <juliank> yikes
[16:20] <vorlon> there's a ton of perl-related stuff which I'll ignore for now
[16:20] <xnox> well
[16:20] <xnox> i thought i did lots of micro transitions that are now entagled with perl.
[16:20] <vorlon> boost1.71 waiting on an autopkgtest - I'll take a look at this, might just need a requeue
[16:20] <vorlon> dbus-python, who wants this?
[16:20] <xnox> do we have anybody actively looking into pushing perl doom. or are there any entanglements that we can assign and/or fix to help perl?
[16:21] <rbalint> me
[16:21] <doko> ocaml is disentangled, see #u-r
[16:21] <rbalint> perl is promising, many retries are pending
[16:21] <vorlon> which AIUI only lets ocaml go first
[16:22] <doko> yes
[16:22] <vorlon> but let's go through these packages in order, shall we?  any volunteers for dbus-python?
[16:22] <doko> waiting ...
[16:22] <rbalint> the pending ppc64el tests are holding perl back
[16:22] <bdmurray> I'll take dbus-python
[16:22] <vorlon> bdmurray: thanks
[16:23] <vorlon> libcgi-pm-perl appears to be blocked for reasons unrelated to perl itself
[16:23] <vorlon> rbalint: can you take libcgi-pm-perl?
[16:23] <rbalint> yes
[16:23] <vorlon> thanks
[16:23] <vorlon> ncurses: I'll have a look
[16:24] <vorlon> netbase: mercurial, which is pretty flaky; I'll take this one too
[16:24] <vorlon> openssh vs sshuttle: slyon could you have a look?
[16:24] <slyon> yes
[16:24] <slyon> and maybe also pycurl, as I've done curl before..
[16:24] <vorlon> slyon: ok, it's yours
[16:24] <vorlon> pygments: sil2100?
[16:25] <waveform> I can take pygments
[16:25] <vorlon> python-debian: xnox?
[16:25] <tdaitx> bdmurray: vorlon: I had dbus-python and netbase on a card already
[16:25] <sil2100> vorlon: sure o/
[16:25] <xnox> vorlon:  ok.
[16:25] <vorlon> tdaitx: oh? did we assign these in a previous meeting?
[16:25] <tdaitx> yes, we did
[16:25] <sil2100> Oh
[16:25] <bdmurray> vorlon, sylon: I had openssh last week so will finish that
[16:25] <sil2100> waveform took it, so nvm!
[16:25] <slyon> bdmurray: ok!
[16:25] <vorlon> was it a meeting I wasn't at?
[16:25] <vorlon> :)
[16:27] <vorlon> ok we'll keep the previous assignments
[16:27] <vorlon> dbus-python: tdaitx
[16:28] <vorlon> libcgi-pm-perl: rbalint
[16:28] <vorlon> ncurses: me
[16:28] <vorlon> netbase: tdaitx
[16:28] <vorlon> openssh: bdmurray
[16:29] <vorlon> pycurl: slyon
[16:29] <vorlon> pygments: waveform
[16:29] <vorlon> python-debian: xnox
[16:30] <vorlon> pyyaml: sil2100?
[16:30] <vorlon> setuptools: juliank?
[16:30] <sil2100> o/
[16:31] <juliank> vorlon: I'd rather fix the python-apt regressions
[16:31] <vorlon> juliank: mmk
[16:31] <vorlon> setuptools: doko?
[16:31] <doko> juliank: and software-properties?
[16:31] <doko> yes, although this is all unrelated
[16:31] <juliank> doko: Yes, python-apt regresses software-properties
[16:31] <juliank> it needs to work at the end or it's not useful :)
[16:32] <juliank> note that 0.99.4 was triggered with software-properties/0.99.4 ubuntu-drivers-common/1:<IP_ADDRESS> pyqt5/5.15.1+dfsg-2build1 dbus-python/1.2.16-4 pycurl/<IP_ADDRESS>-4 setuptools/50.3.0-1
[16:32] <vorlon> gdb: bdmurray: do you want to look at this?
[16:32] <vorlon> (blocked by an apport autopkgtest regression)
[16:33] <vorlon> software-properties: juliank, per above
[16:33] <bdmurray> I thought I fixed that
[16:33] <vorlon> cdebconf: my upload, I'll take it
[16:34] <vorlon> bdmurray: then it should be easy for you to follow through :)
[16:34] <bdmurray> aw snap!
[16:34] <vorlon> git: also my upload, I'll take it
[16:34] <vorlon> python-apt is juliank
[16:34] <vorlon> python3-stdlib-extensions: waveform?
[16:34] <doko> sshuttle, slyon?
[16:34] <waveform> vorlon, ok
[16:35] <tdaitx> I saw bdmurray retring sshuttle
[16:35] <bdmurray> yeah, it looks like a timeout
[16:35] <slyon> I can take sshuttle
[16:35] <vorlon> slyon: so you'll take python3-stdlib-extensions and its other autopkgtest regression? (assimp)
[16:36] <slyon> yes
[16:36] <vorlon> then there's a texinfo mess regressing tests on i386
[16:36] <vorlon> who wants this?
[16:36] <tdaitx> slyon: there are some retries already on the queue for sshuttle
[16:36] <doko> vorlon: you, i386 expert?
[16:36] <doko> E: Could not configure 'libc6:i386'.
[16:36] <doko> W: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgcc-s1:i386'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[16:36] <doko> E: Failed to process build dependencies
[16:36] <vorlon> waveform: you can have texinfo since no one else volunteered :)
[16:37] <waveform> vorlon, joy :))
[16:37] <vorlon> waveform: (hit me up if you want help analyzing it)
[16:37] <vorlon> and I think we can probably stop there on the assignments; hopefully next week we'll be caught up and can get through the remaining backlog
[16:37] <vorlon> "next week", given that US is out next Thursday
[16:38] <vorlon> bdmurray: back to you
[16:39] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[16:39] <bdmurray> So as Steve mentioned next Thursday is a US holiday
[16:39] <bdmurray> I'm guessing some people are taking next Friday off too
[16:39] <juliank> I'm on +1 maintenance next Wed/Thu
[16:39] <xnox> datacentre move over the weekend
[16:41] <bdmurray> anything else?
[16:42] <xnox> boom
[16:42] <xnox> mic drop
[16:42] <bdmurray> okay, thanks everybody
[16:42] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[16:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 16:42:40 2020 UTC.
[16:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-11-19-16.01.moin.txt
[16:42] <rbalint> o/


[00:03] <cmaloney> I need to pick up the new album.
[00:20] <jrwren> new tool is GOOD
[00:21] <jrwren> i learned of what I consider a folk band, recently, madonlin orange is their name.
[00:21] <jrwren> they are playing tomorrow in GR. I won't be going :(
[01:53] <Scary_Guy> Maybe they couldn't get over?  Maybe they're inconsiderate aholes?  Who knows!
[01:56] <Scary_Guy> I always try to get over.  One time I broke down in a Taco Bell drivethrough blocking people from getting out (dropping off a friend, it should be noted I don't care for the food) and some other people helped me push my heap out of the way.
[01:56] <Scary_Guy> It was a graduation present from my grandparents.  So bad I gave it back.
[11:27] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:30] <_stink_> yo
[12:09] <jayis> hi
[12:34] <cmaloney> Are we having the fun yet?
[13:39] <jrwren> next month is 19.10 release, and I don't even know what it is called.
[13:40] <jrwren> I'm still surprised when I see refererences to disco, even though I've been running it for a while.
[13:55] <cmaloney> I'm still oin Trusty on my main machine
[13:55] <cmaloney> though I have most of my machines converted to Bionic
[13:57] <mrgoodcat> looks like i'm on bionic
[13:58] <mrgoodcat> i haven't been aware of the names since xenial
[13:58] <mrgoodcat> i haven't been aware of any non lts names since like natty or something like that
[13:59] <jrwren> man, trusty is ANCIENT
[13:59] <cmaloney> jrwren: I KNOW
[13:59] <jrwren> ;)
[13:59] <cmaloney> Thanks for rubbing it in. :)
[14:58] <_stink_> i have at least one machine on trusty too
[14:59] <mrgoodcat> my rpi is probably at least that old
[17:39] <brousch> I have 986 servers on trusty
[17:40] <mrgoodcat> couldn't round out the 1k huh
[17:41] <jrwren> wow, 986 is a lot.
[17:46] <brousch> 1600 on lucid
[17:47] <brousch> 😬
[17:49] <brousch> OH, wait 1600 on precise, not lucid
[17:49] <brousch> Only 16 on lucid
[17:50] <greg-g> brousch: rendering farm?
[17:50] <brousch> CDN, mostly VPS and DNS
[17:51] <greg-g> ahhh
[17:51] <cmaloney> Precise was a workhorse
[17:52] <cmaloney> 14.04 is as well
[17:52] <cmaloney> 16.04?


[11:30] <yahalom> bleertep: other users are also having this prob, so if u dont see ur screensavers it might have nothing to do with ur driver
[11:30] <whiskers> bleertep, or nvidia
[11:30] <yahalom> Foodcoman: ???
[11:30] <bleertep> ok
[11:31] <whiskers> bleertep, are you using ATI or Nvidia hardware
[11:31] <bleertep> ati
[11:31] <yahalom> bleertep: i can play half-life 2, but my screensavers dont work and  i have ati. other users here have nvidia and same prob
[11:31] <Foodcoman> yahalom: I thought I read that the cedega peeps tweek to make D3D games run by mapping D3D to OpenGL for X.
[11:31] <KaiL_> yahalom: bad howto.
[11:31] <bleertep> ok
[11:31] <whiskers> yahalom, i am trying to help you...are you using ati or nvidia hardware
[11:32] <KaiL_> you don't need to fight with make or alien on ubuntu 5.04
[11:32] <yahalom> whiskers: ati
[11:32] <whiskers> KaiL_, hey alien is great...i busted a lot of deb and rpm source files with it
[11:32] <KaiL_> but you still don't need it
[11:32] <yahalom> Foodcoman: i have no clue man. For all the $$$ there is always a free legal way ;)
[11:32] <KaiL_> ubuntu has all the files
[11:33] <yahalom> Foodcoman: make one and i'll be ur customer.
[11:33] <whiskers> yahalom, ok...well nvidia has an extra command called nvidia-glx-configure enable........see if there is an equivalent ati command
[11:33] <bleertep> by the way: i love ununtu, i am using it for a week know and it was a bit tricky for me as a linux starter to get the Java sdk runing but now i allmost feel home :))
[11:33] <bleertep> ubuntu
[11:33] <Foodcoman> yahalom: hehehe- Take a number!
[11:33] <yahalom> Foodcoman: lol
[11:33] <yahalom> whiskers: hang on
[11:33] <bzbb> I'm having a problem with JuK
[11:34] <KaiL_> start following the howto with "fglrxconfig"
[11:34] <yahalom> whiskers: no such option
[11:34] <KaiL_> and forget that make stuff at the end - the module should be there
[11:34] <yahalom> whiskers: should have bough an nvidia card
[11:34] <KaiL_> but must be loaded!
[11:34] <bzbb> I switch the output to gstreamer, to test a gstreamer plugin, and now when I launch it, it loads the library, and then crashes with a sig 6 sigabrt
[11:34] <whiskers> yahalom, well...use a hexeditor on nvidia-glx-configure command and change it to work on ati board
[11:35] <whiskers> yahalom, or just try it...it might work
[11:35] <KaiL_> ok, who was it with the 9600?
[11:35] <KaiL_> yahalom: you?
[11:35] <whiskers> yahalom, type sudo nvidia-glx-configure enable.....and see what happens
[11:35] <yahalom> whiskers: ati drivers are very sensitive
[11:35] <diyojen> hi
[11:35] <whiskers> yahalom, well you might have to go to their website and look around
[11:35] <yahalom> whiskers: i'll play around, i dont want to stay up all night now though
[11:36] <whiskers> yahalom, get used to it
[11:36] <yahalom> KaiL_: no 9200
[11:36] <diyojen> how can install xawtv to ubuntu or kubuntu??
[11:36] <whiskers> diyojen, do you have a capture card
[11:36] <KaiL_> yahalom: working DRI?
[11:36] <yahalom> KaiL_: yeh
[11:36] <yahalom> whiskers: how will i remove it afterwards?
[11:37] <yahalom> whiskers: i dont want any traces of something
[11:37] <KaiL_> ok, so who was here left with nonworking DRI (=slow 3D)?
[11:37] <whiskers> yahalom, well back up xorg.conf file before you begin...just in case it screws everything up
[11:37] <diyojen> yes whiskers ofcourse
[11:37] <whiskers> diyojen, oh...that is why you want xawtv
[11:37] <Foodcoman> whiskers: My next project is to get my haupaugge pvr-350 and myth working!
[11:37] <yahalom> whiskers: let me ask the guys on #ati first, if they dotn know, i'll follow ur advise
[11:38] <whiskers> Foodcoman, i wish i could afford a haupage 250 even
[11:38] <diyojen> ok how can i watch tv on *buntu?
[11:38] <KaiL_> diyojen: start xawtv? :)
[11:38] <Foodcoman> whiskers: Sorry, slaved many hours!
[11:39] <yahalom> anyone find a solution to the kripper issue?
[11:39] <yahalom> CD Ripper
[11:39] <Foodcoman> diyojen: MythTV and many others if you have your driver and firmware for your card working
[11:39] <diyojen> KaiL_,
[11:39] <yahalom> KAudioCreator
[11:39] <KaiL_> diyojen: scantv before for the conf ;)
[11:39] <diyojen>  am using ubuntu live
[11:40] <diyojen> and i cant find any tv program on it
[11:40] <diyojen> i search software add/remove
[11:40] <KaiL_> then install it on your hd :p
[11:40] <Foodcoman> diyojen: Bit of a hurdle!  Live
[11:40] <diyojen>  AM NEW!
[11:40] <diyojen> im goning to install it if i can watch tv on it
[11:41] <KaiL_> you can after installing :P
[11:41] <diyojen> no way before?
[11:41] <diyojen> look i prefer gnome , if i cant then i am going to use Knoppix :)
[11:41] <KaiL_> afair you can't install apps in the live cd :)
[11:42] <Foodcoman> diyojen: http://mythtv.org  click screenshots
[11:42] <KaiL_> knoppix has no gnome
[11:42] <diyojen> there is any module or something to add my iso file?
[11:43] <Foodcoman> diyojen: ubuntu uses Gnome. No way you will get it all on customer ISO I think.
[11:43] <KaiL_> don't you belive, that it works, or why don't you install? :)
[11:43] <Foodcoman> diyojen: for live anyway.
[11:44] <diyojen> my hard disk is sata and its ntfs
[11:44] <KaiL_> make an ext3 partition on it :p
[11:44] <whiskers> Foodcoman, no...there is no way....ubuntu is much smaller than gentoo but still a basic system is about 10gigs
[11:44] <whiskers> Foodcoman, you might supply it on 3dvds
[11:44] <diyojen> fat32 posiible to install?
[11:44] <Foodcoman> whiskers: Yeah I figured Myth is huge because of Mysql ect.
[11:45] <Foodcoman> diyojen: Let Windows die!   =)
[11:45] <diyojen> Foodcoman,  then my father let me die:
[11:46] <Foodcoman> diyojen: hahaha  Make him a believer over time then.
[11:46] <diyojen> and olso no MATLAB , or sap2000 on linux
[11:46] <KaiL_> whiskers: uhm, basic on 10gig?
[11:46] <KaiL_> you shouldn't install any comercial game you can find :p
[11:46] <whiskers> KaiL_, yes...that includes most development libraries and stuff
[11:46] <whiskers> KaiL_, i would say 3 dvds would be a basic system
[11:46] <KaiL_> then this isn't a basic system
[11:47] <whiskers> KaiL_, but crimson needs to find an equivalent to gentoo's env-update command
[11:47] <KaiL_> basic is something as featured as a MS Windows cd
[11:47] <whiskers> KaiL_, or etc-update or whatever
[11:47] <KaiL_> means kernel + X + kdebase :)
[11:47] <Foodcoman> diyojen: Buy a cheap drive so you have room to work..
[11:47] <whiskers> KaiL_, windows os...doesn't have any apps.....you have to pay thousands of dollars for a basic windows system
[11:48] <whiskers> KaiL_, nearly every app cost extra money
[11:48] <KaiL_> whiskers: openoffice + mozilla :))
[11:48] <diyojen> Foodcoman,  i can install tvtime from knoppix , from apt-get , why i cant do it from ubuntu?
[11:48] <KaiL_> diyojen: you know, that you can partition a disk?
[11:49] <whiskers> KaiL_, hey that is nothing....what if you need the windows fortran compiler....or photoshop for windows....or supernero for windows...or true image for windows or whatever.
[11:49] <diyojen> KaiL_,  i tyed but i cant make boot ,
[11:49] <Foodcoman> diyojen: you need to update your sources!  http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:49] <diyojen> 2 os wich one gonna be start?
[11:49] <whiskers> KaiL_, all those apps cost extra money on windows
[11:49] <KaiL_> diyojen: you have lilo for that ;)
[11:49] <bleertep> yahalom, whiskers and KaiL_ thanks a million for the help, i just read the forumthread and think i am not goin to do this tonight, i will do it tomorrow and will let you know when i am on the sunny side :)
[11:50] <diyojen> i am NEW , i fucked my windows 2 times to try installing linux on d:
[11:50] <Foodcoman> diyojen: boot manager lets you configure!  Wont tell you its easy!  Check out the guide.
[11:50] <yahalom> bleertep: also chat with guys on #ati
[11:50] <KaiL_> diyojen: you have a d:?
[11:50] <yahalom> bleertep: good luck
[11:50] <diyojen> yes i have a d:
[11:50] <KaiL_> how big?
[11:50] <diyojen> 40 gb
[11:50] <KaiL_> should work :)
[11:50] <Foodcoman> KaiL_: ...got my back!
[11:50] <Foodcoman> =)
[11:51] <KaiL_> I guess, after your work only linux boots?
[11:51] <diyojen> windows can read from ext3?
[11:51] <KaiL_> no
[11:52] <KaiL_> but this doesn't matter
[11:53] <diyojen> i dont understand there is ntfs , ext or fat32 , why there is no global system , both linux and win can use hdd
[11:53] <kakalto> because microsoft is proprietory
[11:53] <KaiL_> fat32 is some kind of this basic system
[11:54] <KaiL_> but it is very basic - no permissions, no journal..
[11:54] <diyojen> but i cant install linux on fat32
[11:54] <kakalto> it's because fat32 isn't good enough
[11:54] <kakalto> ntfs would be, but it's proprietory
[11:54] <KaiL_> you also can't install Windows XP on it (at least not without loosing very very much of it's functionality)
[11:55] <diyojen> if there is no permission then - linux world can make ext4 for win and linux:)
[11:55] <Foodcoman> diyojen: backup your d: stuff to put on C:
[11:55] <KaiL_> Foodcoman: he want's a dualboot
[11:56] <KaiL_> so why not just make one?
[11:56] <KaiL_> c: for Windows, d: for Linux
[11:56] <Foodcoman> diyojen: Then let Linux take that empty space
[11:56] <KaiL_> (Linux names them hda1 and hda2 :)
[11:56] <Foodcoman> Yeah true KaiL_
[11:56] <diyojen> KaiL_,  if my disk is sata its hda1 or sda1?
[11:57] <KaiL_> ..and maybe a hda3 for swap
[11:57] <Foodcoman> Lag is bad.
[11:57] <KaiL_> ah, sata - so sda
[11:57] <diyojen> thats the why my lilo dont work:)
[11:57] <KaiL_> but that doesn't change anything
[11:57] <KaiL_> hmm?
[11:58] <yahalom> ok...anyone know how i can find out if i have the oggEnc dependencies?
[11:58] <KaiL_> you need to configure lilo, tell it there, that it is on sda
[11:58] <diyojen> and there is someting more , knoppix says my c: >> hd1 , d: >> hd5
[11:58] <diyojen> where is hda3,4 ?
[11:58] <KaiL_> an, extended partitions....
[11:59] <kakalto> 4 is an extended thing, 3 might be swap?
[11:59] <Foodcoman> yahalom: Kynaptic and search ogg?
[11:59] <KaiL_> do you want a big explanation, or is "it is like it is" enough?
[11:59] <yahalom> Foodcoman: thanx
[11:59] <Foodcoman> libogg
[11:59] <diyojen> ok thanks i have to reset:)
[11:59] <Foodcoman> libogggflac for example
[12:00] <KaiL_> kakalto: hda2 is the extended, hda5 is the logical volume in there, hda3  and 4 just doesn't exist
[12:00] <KaiL_> or so
[12:00] <Foodcoman> yahalom: If you installed an OGG player with dependencies is should get them all.
[12:01] <whiskers> how come there is a kde hexeditor but no gnome hexeditor


[00:15] <sarnold> hrm, we still have samba4 source package in trusty/universe .. I thought that was going to be replaced by some small stubs to point to the samba package instead?
[01:42] <Noskcaj> Can someone please look into syncing widelands? My internet is too bad to even ppa build it. Many packaging fixes, enables parallel build, manpage fixes
[12:08] <zequence> Hi. I need some help figuring out debian/templates and debconf
[12:08] <zequence> Not clear about how that works at all right now
[12:08] <zequence> source lp:ubuntustudio-live
[12:11] <zequence> I based that package on edubuntu-live
[12:11] <zequence> stgraber: Perhaps I could ask you for hints on that?
[12:12] <zequence> I'm reading a tutorial about debconf and templates right now, so hopefully I'll get it right sooner or later on my own :)
[12:26] <zequence> I get lintian warnings..
[12:26] <zequence> E: ubuntustudio-live: no-template-description ubiquity/text/ubuntustudio-packages_heading_label
[12:26] <zequence> E: ubuntustudio-live: unknown-field-in-templates ubiquity/text/ubuntustudio-packages_heading_label _description
[12:26] <zequence> Seems to me there might be something odd about the templates file in itself. I can't seem to figure out what though
[12:27] <xnox> zequence: can you pastebin the whole templates file?
[12:27] <xnox> oh, lp:ubuntustudio-live, let me check.
[12:29] <zequence> xnox: I think I figured it out, but I'm still puzzled
[12:29] <zequence> xnox: I changed "_Description:" to "Description", and now it seems to work
[12:29] <zequence> "Description:"*
[12:29] <xnox> zequence: sure, but you don't get translations, do you?
[12:29] <zequence> No
[12:30] <xnox> _ means that debconf-po will work to translate those fields.
[12:30] <zequence> Ah
[12:30] <zequence> xnox: Thanks for that info :)
[12:32] <zequence> xnox: I'm just about finished with this package now. Just need to test it before I push changes. You think you could help out in getting it uploaded (all though it's really late for that)?
[12:33] <xnox> zequence: so, i did mkdir debian/po, echo "[type: gettext/rfc822deb] templates] > debian/po/POTFILES.in; then I did debconf-updatepo pot from ./debian/ that generated templates.pot.
[12:34] <xnox> and hopefully this will now work with translations.
[12:34] <zequence> xnox: Ok, thanks
[12:36] <xnox> zequence: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntustudio-live/debconf-updatepo/+merge/211174
[12:36] <xnox> zequence: not sure if you already removed "_" or not.
[12:37] <zequence> xnox: only locally
[12:37] <xnox> zequence: templates.po is generated file, but one typically commits it.
[12:51] <zequence> xnox: Alright. No bad lintian warning I think. So, you think I could get it uploaded?
[12:51] <zequence> bug 946591
[12:53] <zequence> I still need to fix our seeds after, and also update our meta - which hasn't been updated at all for trusty yet :P
[13:34] <cjwatson> Trying to debug the dee-qt build on ppc64el is making me hallucinate
[13:34] <cjwatson> 62              connect(&model_qt, &QAbstractItemModel::rowsInserted, [&num_insertions] (const QModelIndex &parent, int start, int end) {
[13:34] <cjwatson> 63                  num_insertions++;
[13:34] <cjwatson> step into that and I get:
[13:34] <cjwatson> 64              });
[13:34] <cjwatson> (gdb) p signal
[13:34] <cjwatson> $5 = (void (QAbstractItemModel::*)(QAbstractItemModel * const, const QModelIndex &, int, int, QAbstractItemModel::QPrivateSignal)) 0x10016bf0 <QMapDataBase::createData()@plt+64>
[13:35] <cjwatson> where on earth did it get that function from?
[13:35] <cjwatson> powerpc has the same test failure; and there's actually not *that* much similar between powerpc and ppc64el, they're different word length and different endianness
[16:58] <ScottK> Would it be possible for someone who has ppc64el to look at libktorrent installability.  It's been built for sometime, but libktorrent5 is apparently not installable.  It's blocking migration of some packages from proposed.  See https://launchpadlibrarian.net/169618637/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-ppc64el.kget_4%3A4.12.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz for an example.
[16:59] <cjwatson> It's blocked on libgcrypt20 building
[17:00] <cjwatson> (FWIW)
[17:00] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:01] <ScottK> Is that likely to happen soon?
[17:01] <ScottK> I'm wondering if we should do something specific to get kget and ktorrent to migrate.
[17:11] <cjwatson> If the test suite didn't spew its log output to syslog (FFS) then I might be able to see the details
[17:18] <cjwatson> I might try to look on Monday.
[17:26] <infinity> cjwatson: Err, it is?
[17:31] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ reverse-depends libgcrypt11 | grep ktorrent
[17:31] <infinity> * libktorrent5 [amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpc]
[17:31] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ reverse-depends libgcrypt20 | grep ktorrent
[17:31] <infinity> * libktorrent5 [ppc64el]
[17:31] <infinity> So, that looks like it would be easy to fix. :P
[17:42] <infinity> I'm very tempted to remove libgcrypt20 from trusty, actually.  Every time a libgcrypt-depending package is rebuilt, it magically switches (which has only happens once so far on all arches, and 3 times on ppc64el).
[17:42] <infinity> I don't think this is a desirable outcome for SRU/security.
[17:43] <infinity> cjwatson: ^-- Opinion?
[17:46] <infinity> slangasek: ^-- Or you?
[17:51] <cjwatson> infinity: haha seriously
[17:51] <cjwatson> infinity: there are a few rdeps, but maybe they're not too bad.  I can see your point ...
[17:51] <infinity> cjwatson: I've just rebuilt all the things that have deps on 20, by forcing build-deps, but I think we're shooting ourselves in the foot post-release if we don't just yank 20 now.
[17:52] <cjwatson> Yeah, not a terrible argument
[17:54] <infinity> Right, I'll JFDI as soon as the rdep list is clean.
[17:55] <infinity> And we can bring it back in U, promote it to main, and do a more coordinated transition instead of an accidental one. :P
[18:02] <Unit193> When it comes to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1060543, should I just presume I'm close enough in the desktop file, request a merge, then subscribing someone to that merge request?
[18:26] <juliank> bdmurray: Hey, I'm about to upload the python-apt changes from <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu{1,2} to Debian as <IP_ADDRESS>. (And I feel bad about forgetting that bug after my comment, but launchpad is far too noisy, so I delete many emails directly, mostly if I can't keep up with other emails)
[18:27] <juliank> Just wanted to let you know.
[18:28]  * juliank merges patches / fixing bugs in less than a day currently. No university!
[18:31] <bdmurray> juliank: thanks
[19:26]  * juliank should request per-package upload rights
[19:38] <infinity> Alright, libgcrypt20 completely purged from trusty.
[19:39] <infinity> ScottK: Your ktorrent woes should be solved.
[20:10] <ScottK> infinity: Thanks.
[20:18] <infinity> Hrmph, that lftp Bus Error seems to be back.
[20:18] <infinity> cjwatson: ^-- Have you noticed that on snakefruit?  Or mailbox seems to be full of it.
[20:57] <cjwatson> infinity: I read that mailbox *cough* infrequently
[20:57] <cjwatson> I recently found >8000 cronmail entries in cjwatson@nusakan - possibly should arrange for that to be forwarded somewhere useful
[20:58] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, I only read it when the shell reminds me that new mail just happened.
[20:59] <ogra_> shoulld probably become an IS default practice to set up mail forwarders for user accoounts they create :=
[20:59] <ogra_> :)
[21:00]  * ogra_ has no idea if any machine in the datacenter has any cron mails for him, i honestly *never* checked


[02:51] <CameronNemo> Hey I was wondering how to evaluate a command in env=
[02:51] <CameronNemo> I mean env VAR=
[02:55] <CameronNemo> Nevermind. new goal.
[02:55] <CameronNemo> How do I use an instance variable to set the uid
[02:56] <CameronNemo> So: instance $USER, setuid $USER
[03:14] <ryao> Is there a guide to running upstart scripts? I just want to have it start daemon tools which was installed by a userland package manager.
[20:02] <marcoceppi> hey everyone, question about emits
[20:02] <marcoceppi> if I'm starting a job, is that when it emits an even, or can I tap in to that job stopping?


[00:02] <mccann> ok so sounds like i should talk to neil :)
[00:02] <bratsche> Yeah, he's the UNR guy on our team.
[00:02] <mccann> cool
[00:03] <bratsche> I think he's pulling me in for some work on it though, but he's definitely the main guy.
[00:03] <bratsche> He may not be all that available until after UDS though.
[00:05] <bratsche> I should check out gnome-shell some more when I can.
[00:06] <bratsche> Oh cool, I just noticed krh forked my gtk git repo
[00:06] <bratsche> nice!
[00:07] <SiDi> what are you guys working on, if i may ask ? :o
[00:08] <bratsche> Themable client-side window decorations.
[00:09] <SiDi> What do you mean by client side ? :/
[00:10] <bratsche> As in, drawn by the toolkit.


[21:29] <Success> my canvas 3d isnt working
[21:29] <Fuchs> Success: well, the support channel is #ubuntu
[21:30] <Fuchs> but as you know, you are banned there
[21:30] <Success> ok ll leave then thnx bye


[15:07] <njin> damn, why gdb tells me that ubiquity isn't in executable format ? i cannot run it on gdb ?
[15:09] <jtaylor> probably its a script launching something else
[15:10] <njin> looking
[15:10] <jtaylor> I think its python so gdb won't help anyway
[15:12] <njin> ok thanks
[18:38] <hggdh> njin: generically, you can find what type of file it is by running something like 'file $(whereis ubiquity)'
[18:38]  * hggdh is out
[20:23] <eee4444> hi can someone help me get my dwl 650 wireless card working?
[20:27]  * penguin42 wonders how I can usefully report chromium hangs
[20:28] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42:  define "hangs"
[20:28] <TheLordOfTime> and did you try `ubuntu-bug chromium-browser`?
[20:29] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: the spanner menu responds, but very little else - not repeatable, it's not dieing
[20:30] <penguin42> hmm, eventually recovered after more than a minute - very odd
[20:31] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: Without a crash, or a repeatable sequence of operations the report won't be much use
[20:35] <penguin42> but in PP and earlier Chromium crashes were very rare
[20:37] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42:  upstream reports then?
[20:38] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: Yeh I was going to look in lp to see if there are any similar, but lp seems to be down/timing out at the moment
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42:  LP works everywhere else, i guess just that page is offline
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> there's random timeouts everywhere
[20:41] <penguin42> yeh it just seems to be a bit touchier this evening
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> might be randomcrap
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> s/randomcrap/randomness/
[23:14] <r0csteady> ohai guys..
[23:16] <TheLordOfTime> how goes it
[23:16] <TheLordOfTime> or better question...
[23:16] <TheLordOfTime> what broke this time
[23:16] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[23:17] <r0csteady> We are using lucid in production for our printer server (cups).
[23:18] <r0csteady> So, in order to get the config file /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd to work in production, we have to add two lines of code.
[23:18] <TheLordOfTime> is this going to be a support request, or a bug issue?
[23:18]  * TheLordOfTime is curious
[23:19] <r0csteady> I'm going to file a bug with launchpad regarding the apparmor changes from the default.
[23:19] <r0csteady> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<is a newbie
[23:19] <TheLordOfTime> um...
[23:19] <TheLordOfTime> i think you're saying "We would like this included by default"?
[23:19] <TheLordOfTime> if so its not generally a bug
[23:19] <r0csteady> That's not necessarily what we want.
[23:20] <TheLordOfTime> well you're free to file a bug if you want
[23:20]  * TheLordOfTime returns to handling a bug in nginx
[23:20] <r0csteady> It's already working for us in production (after the addition of a couple lines of code).
[23:20] <r0csteady> Cool.
[23:20] <TheLordOfTime> if you want link this channel to the bug by giving us the bug number.
[23:23] <TheLordOfTime> if i might ask though what you're after...
[23:23] <TheLordOfTime> what exactly are you looking to be done with the bug?
[23:23] <TheLordOfTime> s/bug/"Bug"/
[23:25] <r0csteady> I'm not really doing this for a quick fix.
[23:26] <r0csteady> So, I'm just learning how to file and fix bugs:) Thanks.
[23:26] <TheLordOfTime> ah
[23:26] <TheLordOfTime> well i'd suggest reading the docs then instead
[23:26] <TheLordOfTime> !bugs
[23:26] <ubot2> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[23:26] <TheLordOfTime> rather than reporting what may not be a bug (which might get "Invalid"'d if its not a bug)
[23:26] <TheLordOfTime> whats the bug number for the bug, though, if you are filing one


[18:31] <mup> PR operator#723 opened: Stream pull <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/723>
[18:33] <mup> PR operator#723 closed: Stream pull <Created by rwcarlsen> <Closed by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/723>
[19:57] <mup> PR operator#724 opened: track can_connect state for mock pebble clients <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/724>