[12:03] <Brydenn[WU] > nikkia:  so i can X the box out and it will save?
[12:03] <nikkia> huh?
[12:04] <Brydenn[WU] > sorry i didnt understand what you meant
[12:04] <Brydenn[WU] > so in the konsole type :x and it will save and close?
[12:04] <nikkia> yes
[12:04] <nikkia> assuming you're in command mode in vi
[12:04] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i get in "command mode" hehe
[12:04] <nikkia> escape
[12:05] <Brydenn[WU] > thank you nikkia
[12:18] <Brydenn[WU] > damn
[12:18] <Brydenn[WU] > installing stuff is way easier than i thought hehe
[12:25] <nikkia> grrrr
[12:25] <nikkia> why is it, every time a new java release happens, it looks a bit more gnome like than the last?
[12:26] <sashmit_> nikkia: sun
[12:28] <nikkia> each time my tabs in eclipse get a little squarer, and the menu/toolbar background gets a little greyer, and it annoys me
[12:54] <dolny> Hi
[12:55] <dolny> Kinda bored, show your desktops people ;)
[12:55] <dolny> http://www.echostar.pl/~dolny/ubu/zrzut17.jpg
[12:58] <dolny> ok :/
[01:00] <Tm_T> I'll show, just you wait
[01:04] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_056.png
[01:04] <Tm_T> I should change my background again, too light
[01:06] <dolny> very nice
[01:06] <dolny> i couldnt get the konsole to be
[01:06] <dolny> borderless
[01:06] <Riddell> if anyone has ideas for sane artwork for next kubuntu that would be good
[01:06] <Tm_T> me neither
[01:06] <dolny> thats why i use gnome terminal under kde :/
[01:06] <dolny> so wat do you use?
[01:06] <dolny> for transparent console
[01:06] <Tm_T> Eterm
[01:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: sane?
[01:07] <dolny> and what do you use for the system monitor stats on the right upper corner?
[01:07] <Tm_T> dolny: torsmo
[01:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: meaning your and dolny's screenshots are all very nice but arn't suitable for default settings
[01:07] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah yes
[01:07] <Riddell> (not meaning to imply that your settings are insane though :)
[01:08] <Tm_T> sanity
[01:08] <dolny> :)
[01:08] <godsmoke> Riddell: don't worry -- I'll make that implication
[01:08] <dolny> i would use the badger from ubuntuforums
[01:08] <dolny> its great
[01:08] <dolny> ok im going to search for torsmo, brb
[01:09] <godsmoke> http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/
[01:10] <dolny> yeah apt-getting it :)
[01:10] <dolny> but 0.17...
[01:10] <dolny> ill download the newer one i think
[01:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/graphics/ubuntu-oma2-beta-5.png
[01:11] <dolny> anyway, how can i make my gnome-terminal/eterm sticky ? so its stays on desktop behind all windows when i choose another window to be active? because the terminal minimises instead of staying on the desktop.
[01:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: too dark, would work if it was transparant
[01:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: is there an SVG of that?
[01:12] <dolny> I wish Konversation had a transparency option like Xchat for example
[01:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: plus it needs to use the kubuntu logo not the ubuntu one
[01:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes, see beta in filename
[01:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: I did tha't back then when I was starting to use gimp as my workhorse
[01:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: I will do svg soon, It was in my plans anyway :)
[01:18] <dolny> Ok, it is 01:16 here - time to get some sleep. PS. How do you make the blue irssi 'borders' black? :-) Suppose nobody haven't checked that ;-) Good night.
[01:18] <Tm_T> Riddell: what you think about this one as an idea: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/graphics/kapsi002.png
[01:19] <Riddell> Tm_T: ooh nice
[01:20] <Riddell> Tm_T: needs to be transparant and SVG
[01:20] <Tm_T> Riddell: uh, I'll add it to my todo list
[01:22] <Riddell> :)
[01:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: any deadlines for suggestions?
[01:23] <Tm_T> like, before end of august or so?
[01:24] <Riddell> yes I guess august is about when a decision should be made
[01:24] <Tm_T> ok
[01:29] <dolny> guys
[01:29] <dolny> one question
[01:29] <dolny> i installed torsmo from deb package
[01:29] <dolny> and i cant find the config file, its not in .torsmo and .torsmorc
[01:30] <dolny> locate torsmo doesn't help
[01:30] <dolny> o_O
[01:30] <dolny> what can i do?
[01:30] <Tm_T> uh
[01:30] <Tm_T> dolny: a) install it from sources (you get newer)
[01:31] <Tm_T> b) get http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/torsmorc.sample and http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/torsmorc-temp and use them ;)
[01:32] <dolny> well the deb package was over 0.18 so its new.
[01:32] <dolny> gonna checkem :)
[01:33] <bodly> there should also be a sample file in /usr/share/torsmo or /usr/share/doc/torsmo if it's been packaged well
[01:34] <dolny> hm i checked your screenshot002, nice transparent menu, i didn't knew its possible
[01:34] <Tm_T> uh
[01:35] <Tm_T> xosd is funny
[01:35] <Brydenn[WU] > OMG this OS kicks so much ass
[01:35] <Brydenn[WU] > lol
[01:36] <dolny> :) ?
[01:36] <Brydenn[WU] > i just walked through this guide.... http://ubuntuguide.org/  and installed all the stuff i wanted
[01:36] <Brydenn[WU] > very very helpful
[01:36] <Brydenn[WU] > especially for a new guy like me
[01:36] <dolny> :) Kubuntu rocks
[01:37] <dolny> i installed it over a month ago as my last attempt to linux
[01:37] <Brydenn[WU] > yah
[01:37] <dolny> and now its my primary system, i will boot windows in order to play half life 2
[01:37] <Brydenn[WU] > years ago i tried RedHat and SuSe
[01:37] <dolny> some day in the future ;]
[01:37] <Brydenn[WU] > then recently i installed MEPIS
[01:37] <bodly> debian rules, ubuntu is even more better and kubuntu is even more betterest
[01:38] <Brydenn[WU] > lol
[01:38] <Brydenn[WU] > yah Kubuntu pwns
[01:38] <dolny> and we are all geeks, who are going to die single.
[01:38] <dolny> erm... or not?
[01:38] <dolny> ;]
[01:38] <Brydenn[WU] > and hey dolny... there is a program that will let you play HL2 on linux
[01:38] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm gonna get it soon
[01:38] <dolny> yeah i know
[01:38] <Brydenn[WU] > fixing up my desktop first though
[01:38] <dolny> i play other games through cedega
[01:38] <Brydenn[WU] > HL2 is awesome... beat it months ago
[01:38] <dolny> but hl2 is too damn slow
[01:38] <Brydenn[WU] > right.... thats the one
[01:38] <Brydenn[WU] > cedega
[01:39] <dolny> well i want to install it in order to play mods
[01:39] <Brydenn[WU] > well you need killer hardware to run HL2 smoothly
[01:39] <dolny> guess nobody liked that geeks joke ;) seems i need to get some sleep
[01:39] <Brydenn[WU] > yah i'm a TFC (team fortress classic) clan guy
[01:39] <Brydenn[WU] > i love that HL mod
[01:39] <dolny> i really like
[01:39] <Brydenn[WU] > WU = Wu Tang
[01:39] <dolny> hl1 mod: battle grounds
[01:40] <Brydenn[WU] > hmm never played it
[01:40] <Brydenn[WU] > i only played CS and TFC
[01:40] <Brydenn[WU] > and i hated CS... to many idiots
[01:40] <Brydenn[WU] > TFC had more skillz involved
[01:40] <uniq> ppst. #kubuntu :)
[01:40] <Brydenn[WU] > hahaha
[01:40] <Brydenn[WU] > yah yah.. this talk is reserved for gamesurge and gamesnet serbers ;)
[01:40] <dolny> yeah CS sucks, ok sorry :)
[01:41] <Brydenn[WU] > lol but hey, no one is asking for help heheh just makin convresation
[01:41] <Brydenn[WU] > hehehe
[01:41] <uniq> not to be an asshole or anything.. but well.. you know :)
[01:41] <dolny> ok
[01:41] <dolny> so...
[01:41] <dolny> erm...
[01:41] <dolny> I love my Kubuntu
[01:41] <dolny> ;]
[01:41] <uniq> :)
[01:41] <Brydenn[WU] > yah my Kubuntu Box rocks
[01:41] <Brydenn[WU] > ha, say that 10 times fast
[01:48] <Brydenn[WU] > ok i got a help question
[01:48] <Brydenn[WU] > what is a .rpm file?
[01:48] <uniq> redhat package manager file.
[01:48] <Brydenn[WU] > i just downloaded LimeWirePro for linux and its a .rpm file
[01:48] <Brydenn[WU] > shit
[01:48] <Brydenn[WU] > so it wont work with Kubuntu?
[01:49] <uniq> you can try to convert it with alien.
[01:49] <uniq> search for 'alien' in kynaptic.
[01:49] <Brydenn[WU] > would that be a smart move though?
[01:49] <uniq> well.. sometimes it works.. sometimes not.
[01:50] <bodly> alien works great about 1/3 of the time, halfass about 1/3 of the time and not at all about 1/3 of the time
[01:50] <uniq> it's not good practice for everything.
[01:50] <Brydenn[WU] > my package manager says alien 8.5 is already installed
[01:50] <Brydenn[WU] > where do i find it? ;)
[01:50] <uniq> go to the commandline.
[01:50] <uniq> alien -d package.rpm
[01:51] <Brydenn[WU] > oh... thanks
[01:53] <Brydenn[WU] > ok
[01:53] <Brydenn[WU] > it converted successfully i guess
[01:53] <Brydenn[WU] > made limewire-pro_4.8.1-1_i386
[01:53] <Brydenn[WU] > .deb that is hehe
[01:53] <Brydenn[WU] > so whats the best way to install a .deb file?
[01:53] <Brydenn[WU] > apt-get install limewire-pro_4.8.1-1_i386.deb ??
[01:54] <bodly> then sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[01:54] <Brydenn[WU] > ok
[01:54] <uniq> you need java to make limewire work.
[01:54] <uniq> ?? java
[01:54] <Brydenn[WU] > i already have java
[01:54] <kinfo> [java]  take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:54] <uniq> ok.
[01:54] <Brydenn[WU] > :)
[01:54] <bodly> mmm... java....
[01:56] <Brydenn[WU] > Unpacking limewire-pro (from limewire-pro_4.8.1-1_i386.deb) ...
[01:56] <Brydenn[WU] > Setting up limewire-pro (4.8.1-1) ...
[01:56] <Brydenn[WU] > brydenn@Brydenn:~/Desktop$
[01:56] <Brydenn[WU] > is that all its supposed to do?
[01:57] <Brydenn[WU] > haha sweet
[01:57] <Brydenn[WU] > yah i guess thats all
[01:58] <Brydenn[WU] > i already had limewire (regular) installed
[01:58] <Brydenn[WU] > and now it's PRO
[01:58] <Brydenn[WU] > weeeee
[01:58] <bodly> cool
[01:58] <Brydenn[WU] > bye bye nag screen hehe
[01:58] <uniq> bye.
[01:59] <uniq> oh.. nag screen :)
[01:59] <Brydenn[WU] > hahah
[02:00] <Brydenn[WU] > ok can someone explain to me why XMMS doesnt have any PRESETS to select from by default?
[02:00] <Brydenn[WU] > how disappointing :(
[02:00] <uniq> try beep-media-player
[02:00] <uniq> !! beep
[02:00] <kinfo> No match for "*beep*"
[02:00] <Brydenn[WU] > beep is better than XMMS?
[02:01] <bodly> beep is a port of xmms to gtk2
[02:01] <Brydenn[WU] > english... lol
[02:01] <bodly> hehe.  it's a different version of xmms.  basically the same thing
[02:02] <Brydenn[WU] > hmm ok hehe
[02:02] <Brydenn[WU] > i'll google it up
[02:02] <Brydenn[WU] > :)
[02:02] <bodly> you can get if from www.rarewares.org
[02:03] <bodly> it's also in the universe repository
[02:03] <uniq> !learn beep-media-player xmms gtk2 clone. you can get it from the universe using kynaptic or similar tools. Homepage: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage
[02:03] <kinfo> Inprinted beep-media-player (memory injection successful)
[02:04] <bodly> oh, kinfo's a bot. duh
[02:04] <nikkia> uniq, clone's the wrong word there
[02:04] <nikkia> its a fork of xmms
[02:04] <uniq> nikkia: ok, feel free to !relearn
[02:04] <uniq> :)
[02:04] <uniq> everyone have access to the bot.
[02:05] <nikkia> cba tbh
[02:05] <uniq> cba?
[02:05] <nikkia> can't be, and you can guess the rest
[02:06] <uniq> !relearn beep-media-player a fork of xmms, using gtk2. you can get it from the universe using kynaptic or similar tools. Homepage: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage
[02:06] <kinfo> [beep-media-player]  has a different meaning to me now
[02:06] <uniq> better? :)
[02:06] <nikkia> yeah
[02:07] <nikkia> except...
[02:07] <nikkia> is that the real homepage, or a mirror?
[02:07] <uniq> first hit on google.
[02:07] <nikkia> ah, beepmp.sourceforge.net redirects to there (odd, firefox doesn't display the changed url)
[02:07] <uniq> looks like it's the real.
[02:08] <uniq> !relearn beep-media-player a fork of xmms, using gtk2. you can get it from the universe using kynaptic or similar tools. Homepage: http://beepmp.sourceforge.net
[02:08] <kinfo> [beep-media-player]  has a different meaning to me now
[02:08] <uniq> there.
[02:09] <nikkia> hmm, firefox does show the redirected url, how odd
[02:09] <nikkia> i was there earlier, and it stayed as 'beepmp.sourceforge.net'
[02:09] <nikkia> there again, sf.net has been utter crud this week, i know, that's nothing new...
[02:11] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : to answer your (much) earlier question, yes, generally, its better than xmms
[02:11] <Brydenn[WU] > lol
[02:11] <Brydenn[WU] > ok well i have it installed
[02:11] <nikkia> there are a few areas where bmp utterly sucks, like it lacks any kind of IPv6 support for streaming
[02:11] <Brydenn[WU] > now how do i make it double size so i dont have to be like 3in from the screen
[02:12] <nikkia> (altho, why on earth streaming is STILL left to the plugins, is anyone's guess, that was a major design flaw of winamp *and* xmms)
[02:12] <bodly> personally, I love amarok as a media player.  but that's just me
[02:12] <uniq> i like amarok too.
[02:12] <nikkia> i like amarok, but i cba to hack it to support AAC files :P
[02:13] <nikkia> and noone else seems to be in a hurry either
[02:13] <bodly> haven't used it much for streaming though
[02:13] <nikkia> bodily, amarok does 'ok' for streaming
[02:13] <nikkia> it doesn't do as well as xmms tho
[02:13] <nikkia> especially on sites like live365 where cookies are used
[02:14] <bodly> i wasn't too impressed with streaming when I first tried it, but that was a way early version
[02:15] <Brydenn[WU] > lol anyone? hahaha how do you make BEEP bigger so i can see it better?
[02:15] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : use a different theme
[02:15] <bodly> there's an option to make it double sized there somewhere.  at least there is in xmms
[02:15] <nikkia> but most of them are about the same size
[02:15] <Brydenn[WU] > the theme will really change its size?
[02:16] <Brydenn[WU] > well this is tiny as hell heh
[02:16] <Brydenn[WU] > yah i saw the option in XMMS
[02:16] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : some are bigger, but most seem to be the same size
[02:16] <Brydenn[WU] > but dont see it on this one
[02:16] <bodly> try ctl + D
[02:16] <Brydenn[WU] > sorry bodly  nuttin happened :(
[02:16] <bodly> bummer
[02:17] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : the config files are (almost) identical
[02:17] <nikkia> so you can just copy the double-size config parameter into the .bmp/config file and see what happens
[02:18] <nikkia> (which is....  absolutely nothing)
[02:18] <Brydenn[WU] > hmm
[02:18] <Brydenn[WU] > ok
[02:18] <bodly> haha
[02:21] <nikkia> hmmm
[02:21] <nikkia> seems that there was a bug in 'shaded' mode with double size...
[02:22] <nikkia> so rather than fix it, they disabled double size mode, 2 versions ago
[02:26] <eolo> hi! someone can help me to update my debian installation with apt
[02:26] <godsmoke> eolo: sure, are you having a problem, or just want to know how to do it?
[02:26] <eolo> just to know how to do it
[02:27] <godsmoke> alright, well -- you can use a graphical tool such as Kynaptic
[02:27] <godsmoke> but, I prefer apt directly, it gives you some flexibility
[02:27] <eolo> how do i set internet source for kynaptics
[02:28] <godsmoke> simple process (all run through sudo): "sudo apt-get update" updates the list of new packages, once that's done, "sudo apt-get upgrade" will automatically install all of the newest versions of software you curently have installed
[02:28] <eolo> shall i close all applications?
[02:28] <godsmoke> no
[02:28] <godsmoke> no need
[02:28] <godsmoke> just open a terminal
[02:29] <Brydenn[WU] > what do you guys think is better... Kopete or gAIM?
[02:29] <godsmoke> Brydenn[WU] : depends on your needs, really
[02:29] <eolo> Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:29] <eolo> Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:29] <godsmoke> eolo: close Kynaptic
[02:29] <Brydenn[WU] > well my only needs are to talk to the people on AIM and Yahoo
[02:30] <eolo> thanks
[02:30] <godsmoke> Brydenn[WU] : well ... that may sound simple to you -- but gaim and kopete are in very different stages of development, and you need to decide which is more important to you
[02:30] <Brydenn[WU] > well what is more important?
[02:30] <Brydenn[WU] > what do you mean
[02:31] <godsmoke> Kopete is integrated into KDE, has a qt interface, and is generally nicer to work with than gaim -- however, there are far more plugins for gaim, and its support of file transfers, and protocol specifics is far more advanced than kopete, since it's been in development for much longer
[02:31] <bodly> basically gaim works better but kopete is prettier
[02:31] <godsmoke> I use gaim, but would love to be using kopete -- and will switch as soon as kopete gets some of their protocol code to actually work well
[02:31] <eolo> i've done an installation from a single cd and i would like to install some more thngs...
[02:32] <Brydenn[WU] > k thanks guys
[02:32] <Tm_T> I use Kopete now
[02:32] <godsmoke> eolo: after doing "sudo apt-get update" (which you should have already done) -- doing "sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME" where PACKAGENAME is the name of the package you wish to install, will install it
[02:32] <Tm_T> because I _try_ to develop it :p
[02:32] <Brydenn[WU] > yah i dont do much file transfering on Yahoo etc
[02:32] <Brydenn[WU] > so maybe Kopete is better heh
[02:32] <Brydenn[WU] > ... for me
[02:33] <godsmoke> Brydenn[WU] : still ... kopete lacks a lot of protocol implementation
[02:33] <eolo> thanks again, where 's a list of debian packages (organized)
[02:33] <godsmoke> for example, it refuses to let you put yourself on your buddy list
[02:33] <uniq> eolo: you can do as godsmoke says, or try the kynaptic package manager if you want a graphical interface.
[02:33] <bodly> I'd use kopete, but it absolutely sucks trying to use it through the firewall at work
[02:33] <godsmoke> and it doesn't let you turn off away/idle reporting
[02:33] <godsmoke> bodly: kopete has nothing to do with a firewall ...
[02:33] <uniq> eolo: packages.ubuntu.com or in kynaptic
[02:33] <godsmoke> no more than any other chat client does
[02:33] <godsmoke> uniq: we already discussed that
[02:33] <Brydenn[WU] > thanks godsmoke
[02:34] <bodly> godsmoke: gaim supports proxies, kopete doesn't
[02:34] <uniq> godsmoke: oh. ok, i'm just pretending to be active in here. :)
[02:34] <godsmoke> I am waiting to use kopete -- and will enjoy using it when it meets my needs
[02:34] <godsmoke> I love their xml templates
[02:34] <godsmoke> their logging system couldn't be worse though
[02:35] <bodly> I really like kopete's integration with the kde addressbook.  it's great for keeping track of people at work
[02:36] <godsmoke> yes, as discussed, kopete is written for kde integration
[02:36] <godsmoke> but, that's not important when the thing doesn't conform to protocols
[02:37] <eolo> my kinaptic knows very few packages, he's a newbie as i am?
[02:37] <bodly> I think bringing kopete in to kde proper was a mistake.  It is in too early a development stage and needs more frequent updates than the KDE release schedule allows
[02:38] <godsmoke> bodly: agreed
[02:38] <godsmoke> but it looks promising
[02:38] <godsmoke> brb
[02:41] <eolo> my kynaptic knows very few packages, it seem i have to change some config!!
[02:41] <godsmoke> eolo: alright ... well both kynaptic and apt get their package sources from the same file
[02:41] <godsmoke> /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:41] <eolo> shall i add something
[02:42] <godsmoke> depends on what you have already
[02:42] <uniq> eolo: yes, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list uncomment the lines mentioning universe.
[02:42] <godsmoke> I don't use kynaptic
[02:42] <uniq> ?? uncomment
[02:42] <kinfo> [uncomment]  remove the # at the start of a line.
[02:43] <uniq> you can also get some good information by reading
[02:43] <uniq> ?? restrictedformats
[02:43] <kinfo> [restrictedformats]  Descriptions on how to add support for non-free multimedia-formats and java things can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:43] <eolo> ok!!!!!!! it works
[02:44] <Brydenn[WU] > maybe i'm missing it... but is there a way to SIGN IN invisibly under Yahoo using gAIM ?
[02:44] <eolo> thanks uniq and godsmoke
[02:44] <godsmoke> Brydenn[WU] : yes -- but I don't think kopete or gaim support it
[02:44] <Brydenn[WU] > crap
[02:44] <godsmoke> gaim might -- I didn't check
[02:44] <Brydenn[WU] > ok... ya i didnt think so either
[02:45] <Brydenn[WU] > i just dont see anything in the options, etc
[02:45] <godsmoke> gaim DOES support invisible
[02:46] <uniq> well, good night people.
[02:46] <godsmoke> at least in oscar (aim)
[02:46] <Brydenn[WU] > from login?
[02:46] <godsmoke> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q53
[02:46] <godsmoke> these are the kinds of things that make kopete nowhere near ready for production
[02:47] <Brydenn[WU] > well uhm
[02:47] <Brydenn[WU] > you can go invisible yes
[02:47] <Brydenn[WU] > but i want to be invisible from the START... not set it after i look available
[02:47] <Brydenn[WU] > in windows yahoo you can login invisible from the start
[02:47] <godsmoke> then use windows
[02:47] <Brydenn[WU] > haha F that
[02:47] <Brydenn[WU] > hehe i'll figure something out ;) thanks godsmoke
[03:04] <eolo> how can i tell to apt-get to install even required dependencies
[03:08] <unome> -f
[03:09] <bodly> don't you hate it when people ask a question then leave before you can answer?
[03:09] <unome> hehe
[03:10] <godsmoke> bodly: yes, they sit there in the channel history, taunting you
[03:10] <godsmoke> sometimes I answer them without anyone there
[03:10] <bodly> LOL
[04:38] <amywilson> hello I am having some major issues installing java on my laptop didn't have a problem with mozzill but now it is gone for some reason
[04:39] <amywilson> I am brand new to ubuntu and linux all together which is probably my biggest problem
[04:50] <stm_designer> hello
[04:54] <othernoob> anyone know how i can make a screenshot of a movie? kaffeine crashes when i try to
[05:04] <godsmoke> othernoob: just use mplayer
[05:05] <othernoob> mplayer is fooked on my system..
[05:05] <godsmoke> well, I'm sorry
[05:05] <godsmoke> fix it
[05:07] <ookii> any package that works for ubuntu works for kubuntu right? (except for maybe some gnome centric ones?)
[05:08] <othernoob> godsmoke, and how would i make a screenshot with mplayer?
[05:09] <godsmoke> just take a screenshot ...
[05:09] <godsmoke> like you would any other time
[05:09] <godsmoke> ookii: kubuntu is not a separate system
[05:09] <godsmoke> ookii: kubuntu is an installer, and a set of kde-related packages to be used in conjunction with ubuntu
[05:09] <ookii> godsmoke: thought so, thanks for the confirmation
[05:10] <ookii> apparently debian doesn't support xorg or something
[05:10] <godsmoke> uh ...
[05:10] <ookii> which i want, so i have to reinstall kubunut, which i killed after an ubuntu person said i should just go to debian
[05:10] <godsmoke> yeah, it's not a matter of support
[05:10] <godsmoke> it's really a political issue
[05:10] <godsmoke> there's plenty of unofficial xorg repositories for debian
[05:11] <ookii> godsmoke: i love ubuntu, it's just that there aren't as many precompiled packages out there it seems, i need things to be easy! (which it looks like they won't be)
[05:11] <godsmoke> ubuntu has the same packages debian does
[05:11] <godsmoke> that's what `universe` is for
[05:12] <ookii> godsmoke: i hear most of them work, but not all
[05:12] <godsmoke> and/or `multiverse`
[05:12] <godsmoke> that doesn't really make sense
[05:12] <ookii> the one!
[05:12] <Tm_T> http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/albumit/00/gates.jpg
[05:12] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:12] <godsmoke> Tm_T: that image ... is roughly 6 years old
[05:12] <godsmoke> but thank you for reintroducing it
[05:13] <ookii> lol i watched the balmer touting windows 1.0 today, that is some freaky stuff
[05:13] <ookii> anyway, so now i'm more confused
[05:13] <Tm_T> yes it's old, I saw it first time 4 years ago
[05:13] <godsmoke> anyway -- let's leave the gates-bashing out of here
[05:14] <ookii> godsmoke: so the point of ubuntu is roughly so the stuff is setup in the first place, and it's easier and prettier to use
[05:14] <ookii> godsmoke: because if i can get xorg for debian, i'm not really seeing the difference, but then again i'm a total noob
[05:14] <godsmoke> ookii: you don't need to lecture me on the point of ubuntu -- I never challenged that
[05:14] <ookii> godsmoke: no no i'm asking
[05:15] <monchy> your an ornery guy huh godsmoke lol
[05:15] <godsmoke> well ... I'm not one to create a mission statement for ubuntu -- but my general understanding is that ubuntu was created so that reliable, regular updates, with corporate support, as well as a focused, managed set of packages would be available
[05:16] <godsmoke> monchy: nope
[05:16] <godsmoke> a lot of people aren't happy about the way debian was/is run -- some of those people are ubuntu supporters
[05:24] <monchy> sorry about the delay. anyway what specifically aren't people happy about?
[05:26] <godsmoke> monchy: about debian?
[05:26] <monchy> yes, about debian
[05:27] <ookii> bah i avoided debian for so long because it was outdated, and now i installed it (after kubuntu mind you) and it still seems outdated (even though i thought they updated it), i think it's time to just reinstall kubuntu
[05:27] <godsmoke> heh -- well, for starters -- long inclusion delays -- this can be chalked up to security/bug testing -- but, in the end, the vast majority of people want newer packages as fast as possible
[05:27] <godsmoke> ookii: outdated???
[05:27] <godsmoke> why would you have to reinstall?
[05:28] <godsmoke> also -- debian has some issues with getting things setup -- there's a number of known things -- and the average (read: redhat) user doesn't want to deal with that
[05:28] <ookii> godsmoke:  i just remember when i had ubuntu was that everything looked really great, i didn't even want to use windows, but with the x11 that comes with sarge, i dont't get the same feeling (i could be crazy though)
[05:28] <godsmoke> that's meaningless
[05:29] <godsmoke> the x server has NOTHING to do with what graphics you're looking at
[05:29] <kalenedrael> yeah...
[05:29] <godsmoke> please, don't criticize something you don't understand
[05:29] <kalenedrael> well, it sort of does, but not in that way
[05:29] <monchy> the one thing i love about ubuntu, i can always install the ati drivers with ease
[05:29] <godsmoke> kalenedrael: not 'what' graphics -- just graphics or not
[05:29] <kalenedrael> yes
[05:29] <godsmoke> kalenedrael: I was careful with my wording -- I had a feeling someone would respond with that
[05:29] <ookii> so there is no different between xfree86 and xorg in terms of looks?
[05:29] <godsmoke> absolutely not
[05:30] <godsmoke> none*
[05:30] <kalenedrael> xorg performs better, i think
[05:30] <godsmoke> they have nothing to do with the prettiness of your graphics
[05:30] <kalenedrael> but in terms of looks, no
[05:30] <ookii> it's all just based on the window manager
[05:30] <godsmoke> right
[05:30] <ookii> what does kubuntu come with again, 3.3.2?
[05:30] <godsmoke> ...
[05:30] <godsmoke> you mean, kde?
[05:30] <monchy> 3.4.0
[05:31] <godsmoke> 3.4.1 is linked in the topic as well
[05:31] <ookii> ah damn, there ya go, sarge comes with 3.3.2
[05:31] <godsmoke> it's brand new
[05:31] <kalenedrael> i could be using the lastest version of everything and still have it look like shit
[05:31] <godsmoke> ookii: sigh
[05:31] <kalenedrael> kde 3.4 is quite a bit better than 3.3
[05:31] <godsmoke> you don't understand the way debian is organized
[05:31] <monchy> just can't wait for 3.5 and have konqueror adblock
[05:32] <godsmoke> sarge is ancient -- nobody I know would touch sarge
[05:32] <godsmoke> stable? -- that's something you use for some crappy server no one cares about
[05:32] <kalenedrael> you want debian unstable
[05:32] <godsmoke> right
[05:32] <ookii> i know they ousted the head guy, and they run like 12 seperate branches for different processors and thats why things take so long, and they do extensive testing
[05:32] <kalenedrael> stable is for platforms that need, well, stability
[05:33] <godsmoke> ookii: right -- debian has a TOTALLY different mission than ubuntu does
[05:33] <godsmoke> they're not for the same people
[05:33] <ookii> i mean just lay it to me straight, go 'sarge is old and busted and you should install kubuntu cause it's new and shiny' and i will, it seems to me kubuntu is the better pick
[05:33] <godsmoke> sigh
[05:33] <godsmoke> you're slanting comments now
[05:34] <kalenedrael> i don't think you can honestly or truthfully say one is better than the other
[05:34] <godsmoke> kubuntu is easy and simple like redhat
[05:34] <godsmoke> debian is rough around the edges -- made for people who know what they're doing
[05:34] <ookii> well for a noob who would like things easy and upon a clean install off the newest cd, would like everything reasonably up to date
[05:34] <kalenedrael> godsmoke, i wouldn't say that... there are still not too many gui config utils
[05:34] <godsmoke> you're not listening
[05:34] <kalenedrael> or not many that i use, anyway
[05:35] <godsmoke> kalenedrael: it's close enough -- don't nitpick over that
[05:35] <kalenedrael> meh
[05:35] <kalenedrael> ok, well, i agree with you that the mission is different
[05:35] <sproingie> sarge isn't "old and busted", it simply isn't as well packaged if, for example, you have an ATI card
[05:35] <godsmoke> it was a simple comparison -- don't take it for more
[05:35] <sproingie> for me it was a matter of installing some stuff from restricted, and presto
[05:35] <godsmoke> ookii: sarge is not on the same level of tested stability as hoary
[05:35] <godsmoke> hoary = debian unstable
[05:35] <sproingie> hoary was a snapshot of unstable
[05:35] <godsmoke> warty = debian testing
[05:36] <sproingie> warty was once a snapshot of unstable
[05:36] <sproingie> just like breezy is now a snapshot of unstable
[05:36] <godsmoke> right -- see -- people are just so ignorant about what they're trying to talk about
[05:36] <godsmoke> don't compare sarge to hoary
[05:36] <godsmoke> that's meaningless
[05:37] <ookii> lol man you sure are helpful, but at the same time incredible bitter
[05:37] <godsmoke> well, you really weren't listening
[05:37] <ookii> i'm going to go install kubuntu again and be happy, thanks for the advice
[05:37] <ookii> the insults didn't help much in that regard, thanks!
[05:38] <kakalto> hrm
[05:39] <sproingie> googling on kswapd turns up at least 7 *years* of performance killing bugs
[05:39] <sproingie> supposedly they patched it in 2.6.11... like they did three times before, no doubt
[05:43] <monchy> et?
[05:46] <kakalto> enemy territory
[05:46] <kakalto> but I remembered something
[05:47] <kakalto> but now I'm going to go back to it
[05:47] <kakalto> it's the GPL expansion to Return to Castle Wolfenstein
[05:47] <monchy> you play on a shrub exp server?
[05:47] <kakalto> shrub?
[05:47] <kakalto> I play with etpro on a local(new zealand) server
[05:47] <monchy> yah, keeps your exp saved as long as your in game
[05:47] <monchy> carries over every round
[05:47] <kakalto> but stops at end of game?
[05:47] <kakalto> then yes
[05:48] <kakalto> otherwise no
[05:48] <monchy> doesn't stop til you quit game, kinda fun but makes it unbalanced
[05:49] <kakalto> true
[05:50] <monchy> think i'll get a game or two in. bbl
[05:50] <kakalto> hehe
[06:05] <brach> hah
[06:05] <brach> /msg nickserv register
[06:20] <MrVoid> what is that package you have to install when you first get kubuntu in order to have all the basic things in terms of stuff like libraries and compilers on your computer?
[06:21] <Tm_T> compiler(s): build-essential
[06:21] <MrVoid> that's it exactly, thanks
[08:10] <godsmoke> damn internet outages
[08:10] <godsmoke> it's way too silent in here
[08:19] <aseigo> it only sounds silent
[08:23] <godsmoke> sigh
[08:23] <godsmoke> anyway
[08:45] <Ayreon> Kubuntus a good pick?
[08:46] <godsmoke> Ayreon: all depends on your needs
[08:47] <Ayreon> can u elaborate what kubuntu is suitable for
[08:47] <Ayreon> plz
[08:48] <godsmoke> well, first, Kubuntu is simply a set of KDE/KDE-related packages for Ubuntu -- so one can talk about who Ubuntu is suited for
[08:48] <godsmoke> which is answered on their website
[08:48] <godsmoke> but Ubuntu is about making a distro that is simple to set up, and still has the powerful underpinnings of debian
[08:51] <Ayreon> i'd like to know how to run to OS's, XP and Kubuntu as startup options
[08:51] <Ayreon> two*
[08:52] <godsmoke> Kubuntu will automatically detect another OS on the same computer, and place it in the bootup manager
[08:53] <Ayreon> ok so  in other words when the iso is loaded up at startup and setup runs it wont get rid of xp
[08:53] <godsmoke> no, it won't get rid of XP unless you ask it to
[08:53] <Ayreon> ok thanks
[08:53] <godsmoke> just follow the instructions
[09:09] <Brydenn[WU] > hey godsmoke
[09:09] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm having a bit of trouble adding themes to Kubuntu
[09:09] <Brydenn[WU] > they dont show up for whatever reason
[09:12] <jseastuasn> woot
[09:12] <jseastuasn> wtf is up?
[09:12] <jseastuasn> lol
[09:13] <Brydenn[WU] > lol
[09:13] <Brydenn[WU] > i think _root  just installed Konversation ;)
[09:14] <jseastuasn> indeed
[09:14] <Brydenn[WU] > heh
[09:14] <Brydenn[WU] > so hey jseastuasn you know much about installing themes?
[09:14] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm having trouble
[09:14] <jseastuasn> hmmm
[09:14] <jseastuasn> well im new to linux myself but i could try to help lol
[09:15] <Brydenn[WU] > hehe
[09:15] <Brydenn[WU] > 2 n00bs
[09:15] <jseastuasn> meh
[09:15] <jseastuasn> so what type of file is it?
[09:15] <Brydenn[WU] > they need to make this background in a HIGHER resolution .... http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/25942-1.jpg
[09:16] <jseastuasn> no fucking shit lol
[09:16] <Brydenn[WU] > haha thats ok
[09:16] <Brydenn[WU] > i found one better than that
[09:16] <jseastuasn> send the better one!
[09:17] <Brydenn[WU] > haha one sec
[09:17] <Brydenn[WU] > http://www.kde-look.org/content/files/25020-AJolie47_R8HFNM4A.jpg  <--- there you go
[09:17] <Brydenn[WU] > now that's F'n hot
[09:18] <jseastuasn> heh
[09:20] <jseastuasn> i want a background of gary coleman getting decapitated :-)
[09:20] <Ayreon> hi, how do I do the proper partitioning to keep my current os?  while i install kubuntu without loosing data.  (using the partitioner during install)
[09:20] <jseastuasn> umm tell it to use left over space
[09:22] <Ayreon> yes i tell it to use left over space however it brings a warning that it will delete the partition, if it deletes a partition with the containing data would the data be deleted?
[09:23] <jseastuasn> no just do it
[10:19] <Ayreon> is this os enable fast performance
[10:19] <Ayreon> then xp
[10:20] <godsmoke> Ayreon: what do you mean?
[10:24] <Ayreon> i was told that the reason my internet connection is slow is because of xp, and that linux would show significent performance and more flexibility then xp
[10:26] <godsmoke> I highly doubt xp had anything to do with your "internet connection [being]
[10:26] <godsmoke> slow"
[10:26] <godsmoke> linux CAN offer significant performance gains over xp -- but KDE is not a place to look for that
[10:26] <godsmoke> flexibility -- sure, linux offers plenty of flexibility
[10:42] <Tm_T> whoa
[10:43] <nikkia> morning Tm_T
[10:44] <Tm_T> good day to you nikkia
[10:44] <nikkia> just updated my copy of eclipse
[10:44] <nikkia> doesn't seem to have made much difference, except for a new progress bar at startup
[10:44] <Tm_T> I think never touvhed eclipse myself :p
[10:46] <nikkia> the project i'm working on at work atm is java so i don't really have much choice
[10:46] <nikkia> especially when the SDK is distributed to us as an eclipse project :P
[10:49] <Tm_T> :p
[10:59] <buz> weeird
[10:59] <buz> if i run my dcop script in konsole, it works just fin
[10:59] <buz> if i run it from cron, it complains about not being able to connect to dcop
[10:59] <Brydenn[WU] > hey nikkia
[10:59] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm having a little trouble copying some folders do a directory
[10:59] <Brydenn[WU] > i'm pretty sure i need "root" access to do it
[11:00] <buz> sudo cp [...]
[11:00] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i do it without having to mess around with the konsole
[11:00] <buz> the konsole is your friend
[11:01] <Brydenn[WU] > ya sure it is
[11:01] <Brydenn[WU] > lol
[11:01] <buz> but theoretically you can rund kdesu konqueror to have a konqueror running as root
[11:01] <buz> its evil, but it works
[11:01] <Brydenn[WU] > why is it "evil"?
[11:01] <buz> cause it could have all sorts of holes
[11:02] <Brydenn[WU] > well how do i do it the evil way lol
[11:02] <nikkia> it'd be nice if konq could offer a 'try again as root' option :/
[11:02] <buz> type the command in the run dialog in the k menu
[11:03] <buz> it would be painful to implement that i guess
[11:03] <nikkia> buz, not really
[11:03] <buz> mhh konqueror cant just become root
[11:04] <buz> it would have to launch itself with kdesu
[11:04] <nikkia> buz, it can elevate the copy thread to root privs quite easily
[11:04] <buz> how?
[11:04] <buz> i dont think you can elevate threads, at all
[11:04] <buz> processes, sure, threads i dont think so
[11:05] <nikkia> ok, process then :)
[11:05] <Brydenn[WU] > thank you guys... that was easy hehe
[11:05] <nikkia> anyway, it could be done
[11:05] <buz> remember to close the root konqueror after that
[11:05] <nikkia> let me put it another way
[11:05] <nikkia> finder can do it on OS X :)
[11:05] <buz> but finder sucks otherwise
[11:09] <jseastuasn> woot
[11:20] <Brydenn[WU] > hey buz or nikkia ... is there a way to change the size of the icons in the desktop?
[11:21] <buz> mhh kcontrol perhaps
[11:21] <buz> dunno
[11:21] <buz> never cared
[11:21] <Brydenn[WU] > lol
[11:21] <Brydenn[WU] > yes thank you
[11:27] <nikkia> hah
[11:28] <nikkia> off topicness: you know how pink floyd said 'we'll reunite ONCE for live8, and that's it'? well, they've now said 'well, if its sucessful, we might do a world tour or two'
[11:34] <opi> Hi
[11:39] <Brydenn[WU] > k another dumb GUI question
[11:39] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i get the damn TRASH CAN on the desktop
[11:39] <Brydenn[WU] > i know how to remove it from the panel
[11:39] <Brydenn[WU] > just want it on the desktop instead
[11:40] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : cdd  to~/esktop
[11:40] <nikkia> erk
[11:40] <nikkia> hold on
[11:40] <Brydenn[WU] > k
[11:40] <nikkia> let my sys speed stabilisse a sec
[11:40] <nikkia> ok
[11:40] <nikkia> cd to ~/Desktop
[11:40] <nikkia> edit Trash.desktop
[11:41] <nikkia> trash.desktop even
[11:41] <nikkia> change 'Hidden=true' to 'Hidden=false'
[11:41] <nikkia> and, erm
[11:41] <nikkia> you might need to log out and log back in
[11:42] <Brydenn[WU] > lol there no other newbier way to do it? heh
[11:43] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : tbh, having the trash on the desktop isn't as good as having it on the panel anyway
[11:43] <Brydenn[WU] > isnt that more opinion than fact?
[11:44] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : no, not really, the trash icon being on the desktop, its just a file, it can be accidently deleted, etc
[11:44] <nikkia> Brydenn[WU] : whereas when its in the panel, you have all the same benefits, but its not a fragile file
[11:45] <nikkia> and the panel *shouldn't* ever be obscured by windows
[11:45] <nikkia> (it can be, but KDE does its best to move apps out the way)
[11:45] <Brydenn[WU] > alright
[11:45] <Brydenn[WU] > maybe thats why "windows" is always dying haha
[11:47] <nikkia> argh!!!!
[11:47] <nikkia> evil random number generatory-thing
[11:47] <jseastuasn> 666
[11:48] <nikkia> heh, no, i wanted to test if collecting a prize counted against the in:out prize ratio
[11:48] <nikkia> and the RNG gave me 20 loses in a row
[12:16] <ztonzy> hi :)
[12:16] <ztonzy> Konversation is a nice IRC-client ^_^  hehe
[12:17] <opi> it is
[12:17] <opi> I've droped XChat in it favor
[12:18] <opi> but I still use irssi
[12:18] <opi> ztonzy: configure OSD feature
[12:18] <opi> ztonzy: it's a real hit :-)
[12:18] <ztonzy> opi: OSD ?
[12:18] <opi> ztonzy: you can work and be up-to-date with IRC happening
[12:18] <opi> ztonzy: on screen display
[12:19] <ztonzy> where to set it ?
[12:19] <opi> ztonzy: small windows that popup on IRC events
[12:19] <opi> go to configuration/OSD
[12:20] <ztonzy> ok
[12:20] <ztonzy> set
[12:21] <ztonzy> opi: if minizmied in try, this will work ?
[12:21] <ztonzy> tray*
[12:21] <ztonzy> ah looks cool
[12:21] <opi> yes
[12:23] <ztonzy> thanks for tip
[12:31] <ztonzy> opi: set it to only show my nick and query ;)  thansk for tip!
[12:31] <opi> ztonzy: you're welcome
[12:31] <opi> ztonzy: it's teh feature ;>
[12:31] <ztonzy> hehe
[12:32] <ztonzy> but you cant chat there...just shows messeges, right ?
[12:34] <opi> yup
[12:34] <opi> a thing that will notice you when the IDLE on # is gone ;)
[12:37] <cloud> hi all
[12:37] <opi> hi
[12:37] <cloud> anyone can help me? i have a problem in making mplayer
[12:38] <opi> building it?
[12:38] <cloud> make returns error
[12:38] <opi> paste it
[12:39] <cloud> ok
[12:39] <cloud> done
[12:39] <cloud> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/326
[12:39] <opi> *click*
[12:39] <cloud> *_*
[12:40] <opi> looks like you're missing GL stuff
[12:40] <opi> could you ./configure it without GL first?
[12:40] <opi> then try again
[12:41] <opi> emil@aru:~/src/MPlayer-1.0pre7 $ ./configure --help | grep gl
[12:41] <opi>   --enable-gl            build with OpenGL render support [autodetect]
[12:41] <cloud> how can i configure withoout gl?
[12:41] <opi> ./configure --disable-gl
[12:42] <cloud> ok
[12:42] <cloud> i try
[12:43] <Tm_T> uh
[12:43] <Tm_T> oh, macaroni
[12:43] <opi> Tm_T: hum?
[12:43] <mikl> Bah, I can't get Linspire Clear to show up in my styles-menu, even though I have just installed it...
[12:46] <Brydenn[WU] > nikkia: need a little more help ;)
[12:46] <Brydenn[WU] > how do i get my windows HD to auto mount
[12:46] <Brydenn[WU] > says /media/windows doesnt exist or whatever
[12:47] <cloud> i configured without gl now i'm making
[12:48] <Skaag> what's the name of the package that contains windows media codecs?
[12:49] <opi> Skaag: w32codecs ;)
[12:49] <opi> Skaag: but they are not in Universe ;)
[12:49] <Skaag> thanks :-)
[12:49] <Skaag> where are they, then? :-]
[12:49] <opi> I have no idea ;D
[12:49] <opi> somewhere in unofficial repos
[12:49] <opi> try backports
[12:49] <opi> or apt-get.org
[12:49] <opi> or wait, maye I have it
[12:50] <Skaag> thanks!!
[12:55] <opi> Skaag: downloading. wait a bit more. ;)
[12:55] <Tm_T> sad, so sad
[12:56] <Skaag> what's sad?
[12:56] <Tm_T> tomorrow I have to leave this apartment... and I can't get internet connection until august :/
[12:57] <Skaag> ouch!!!!!
[12:57] <Skaag> why not?!
[12:58] <Tm_T> because, there's few twists so I can't order it yet
[12:58] <opi> Tm_T: so you can enjoy summer without the computer!
[12:59] <Skaag>    what twists, if I may ask?
[12:59] <Tm_T> opi: but there's so much to do :/
[12:59] <Tm_T> Skaag: well, when you're not the owner of the phone line...
[01:00] <Skaag> do they require identification?
[01:00] <Skaag> I was able to coax the telco lady to allow ADSL on this line altough I am not the owner, by saying I am the owner :-)
[01:00] <Skaag> his ID was on the contract, she asked it, I said it, and voila!
[01:00] <opi> here all you need is a contract to rent the flat
[01:00] <Tm_T> Skaag: yeah, but my parents would kill me then :p
[01:00] <Skaag> later some time I spoke with him, and told him I got internet activated and he didn't care at all ;-)
[01:01] <Skaag> the line belongs to your parents?
[01:01] <Tm_T> Skaag: yes, I am moving back home
[01:01] <opi> oh
[01:01] <Tm_T> student life
[01:02] <Skaag> and they won't understand that you need internet?
[01:02] <Skaag> show them Malta's bill of rights
[01:02] <Skaag> it says there that an Internet Connection is a basic human right
[01:02] <Tm_T> Skaag: well, we agreed adsl will come, but when is the key question
[01:02] <buz> does it REALLY say that?
[01:02] <buz> cool
[01:03] <Tm_T> Skaag: if I order it now, it will be opened after 1month ...
[01:03] <Skaag> beg the telco
[01:04] <opi> Tm_T: man, that's long time
[01:04] <opi> Tm_T: Poland sucks when it comes to Internet
[01:04] <opi> Tm_T: but if you order Internet connection from our company
[01:04] <opi> Tm_T: you would get it within 3 days
[01:05] <Skaag> beg them, it works
[01:05] <Skaag> i tried it twice
[01:05] <Tm_T> Skaag: it won't, I know it too well
[01:05] <Skaag> and twice they managed to make it happen after only 1 week
[01:12] <opi> Skaag: http://bronikowski.com/upload/w32codecs.deb
[01:12] <opi> Skaag: then sudo dpkg -i w32codecs.deb
[01:12] <apokryphos> opi: it's in the repositories
[01:13] <Tm_T> am I only one whos encountering heavy problems with mov files?
[01:13] <apokryphos> Tm_T: I used to, too, for some reason, but fixed recently.  Really annoying crackling sound
[01:17] <opi> cloud: :-)
[01:17] <jesus> well i was using kynaptic cuz thats so much easier and well ehh im to dumb to set up anything just from a file i downloaded
[01:17] <opi> jesus: you're not :-)
[01:17] <cloud> what can i do now?
[01:17] <jesus> oh?
[01:17] <opi> cloud: go to the mplayer directory
[01:17] <cloud> to have the GUI?
[01:18] <cloud> yes..
[01:18] <opi> cloud: and call ./gmplayer
[01:18] <cloud> then
[01:18] <cloud> ok
[01:18] <jesus> well if i wasnt that dumb i wouldnt be here lol
[01:18] <opi> jesus: installing from .deb file is easy
[01:18] <opi> jesus: you just call dpkg -i deb_package.deb
[01:18] <opi> and that's it
[01:18] <Skaag> apokryphos: depends on the encoding, sometimes it's crackling, sometimes it's broken
[01:18] <jesus> well ill check into it lol ill stay on here
[01:19] <cloud> opi: no such file or directory
[01:19] <apokryphos> I think you're right; some play smoother
[01:19] <opi> cloud: try ./mplayer
[01:19] <cloud> opi: which directory you mean?
[01:19] <apokryphos> But these ones still play perfectly on Windoze
[01:19] <opi> same
[01:19] <Skaag> apokryphos: yes works fine in windows, of course
[01:19] <cloud> opi: ok the program runs...but in text mode displaying the list of the parameters...
[01:20] <Skaag> apokryphos: windows has been playing video files since 1995 - had a lot of time to get things right
[01:20] <Skaag> actually also before 95
[01:20] <opi> cloud: call it with a movie as parameter
[01:20] <opi> cloud: ie. ./mplayer mymovie.mpg -vo xv -fs
[01:20] <cloud> OK
[01:21] <opi> cloud: if you want to have gui
[01:21] <opi> cloud: call ./configure --disable-gl --enable-gui
[01:21] <opi> and recompile it
[01:21] <opi> then you will have gmplayer -- guimplayer
[01:21] <cloud> ok
[01:21] <opi> but you need gtk1.2 headers
[01:22] <opi> so apt-get libgtk1.2-dev first!
[01:23] <cloud> ok
[01:24] <jesus> all i can find are tarballs and not .deb
[01:25] <opi> jesus: compiling is quite easy :-)
[01:25] <cloud> opi: installed libgtk1.2 now configuring with gui enabling options
[01:25] <opi> cloud: good, good
[01:26] <cloud> opi: i always have problem with compiling packets...when configure or make have problems i can't understand which problem is..or which dependence is missing
[01:26] <jesus> ok well im downloading it
[01:27] <opi> cloud: Experience is a only source of knowledge
[01:27] <opi> cloud: do it once, twice, nth-time
[01:27] <opi> cloud: you will get the idea :-)
[01:28] <cloud> opi: understood...
[01:28] <cloud> opi: making :D
[01:29] <cloud> first help : Tm_T | second help: uniq | third help: opi
[01:29] <cloud> support is a great thing :D
[01:30] <opi> we're building community
[01:30] <opi> Linux is about a) developers b) community
[01:30] <opi> remove one pice and the FOSS is no more ;)
[01:31] <cloud> foss?
[01:32] <opi> Free and Open Source Software
[01:32] <opi> for a short, FOSS ;)
[01:32] <Tm_T> cloud: ?
[01:33] <Tm_T> ah I got it :)
[01:34] <cloud> yes?
[01:35] <cloud> hehe ok
[01:35] <shogouki> its damn hot here
[01:36] <opi> it's quite cold here :P
[01:36] <cloud> yeah here in italy is +30
[01:36] <cloud> very hote
[01:36] <Tm_T> only +28'C in my apartment
[01:36] <shogouki> ~35 here
[01:36] <shogouki> ~45/50 in my apartment
[01:36] <shogouki> (i guess)
[01:37] <opi> 20 +/1
[01:37] <opi> +/- 1
[01:37] <cloud> opi: this make is taking a lot of time:D
[01:38] <cloud> my brother is reinstalling xp cause it was not executing the exe files...
[01:38] <Tm_T> haha
[01:38] <cloud> ghghgh
[01:39] <shogouki> when it executes exe files its spywares :)
[01:39] <Tm_T> cloud: use all your verbal skill to punish him ] ;=
[01:39] <cloud> i closed my relationship with microsoft this week installing kubuntu.
[01:39] <opi> cloud: well, MPlayer is quite big application
[01:39] <cloud> now i'm a happy man and i'm out of the tunnel
[01:39] <opi> cloud: that's why we're using binary packages
[01:40] <opi> cloud: in Gentoo you would have wait.. and wait.. and wait..
[01:40] <opi> cloud: try compile Gnome/KDE and OO.org
[01:40] <cloud> opi: i'll bet it...
[01:40] <opi> then Mozilla
[01:40] <cloud> in fact i'm going to have lunch
[01:40] <cloud> see ya later guys...
[01:40] <opi> lucky you ;)
[01:41] <shogouki> earth is too hot already, stop compiling your softwares
[01:41] <opi> ;))
[01:41] <opi> give up! or I'll recompile Ubuntu's repos!
[01:42] <shogouki> how many reinstallations of win xp does it take to add 1C to earth temp ?
[01:42] <opi> every
[01:42] <jesus> ehhh speaking of compiling  i got the source downloaded
[01:42] <opi> jesus: btw: what application do you want do build?
[01:43] <opi> jesus: maybe it's packaged?
[01:43] <jesus> err well i downloaded my nvidia drivers and i need the kernel source so i can recompile the kernel
[01:43] <shogouki> yeah, save forests, use apt-get
[01:44] <opi> jesus: well, you don't have to
[01:44] <opi> jesus: also, why not use prepared kernel?
[01:44] <opi> jesus: grab nvidia-glx and go, go, go
[01:45] <jesus> where do i get it?
[01:45] <opi> jesus: also you don't need to recompile kernel, only compile module
[01:45] <opi> jesus: wait
[01:47] <opi> jesus: are you using Synaptic/Kynaptic/KPacakges or console?
[01:47] <jesus> kynaptic
[01:47] <opi> OK
[01:47] <jesus> i have all the servers setup
[01:47] <jesus> multiverse and universe
[01:47] <opi> do you have restricted?
[01:47] <jesus> yes
[01:48] <opi> get nvidia-glx package
[01:48] <jesus> which category?
[01:48] <jesus> :-) nvm
[01:49] <jesus> weee *giggles*
[01:49] <jesus> lol
[01:49] <opi> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[01:49] <opi> here's everything I would have type :P
[01:50] <opi> so I'll make my job easier and paste URL to you :>
[01:53] <apokryphos> jesus uses Kubuntu? Sweet.
[01:54] <Tm_T> he's just false prophet
[01:54] <apokryphos> :-O
[01:55] <shogouki> we need another cross
[02:01] <oscar> ola
[02:01] <Tm_T> hullo
[02:02] <oscar> algun espaol
[02:02] <elmago> hi all
[02:02] <elmago> can someone help me http://rafb.net/paste/results/omoOGi46.html
[02:03] <elmago> i like to install new ipw220 driver and when i enter the command make i get this error
[02:03] <Tm_T> hmm, deutch
[02:03] <elmago> can someone help me http://rafb.net/paste/results/omoOGi46.html
[02:03] <elmago> [14:03]  <elmago> i like to install new ipw220 driver and when i enter the command make i get this error
[02:04] <Tm_T> elmago: in that paste, are you sure you have header package installed?
[02:05] <elmago> how do i check it
[02:05] <Tm_T> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[02:06] <Tm_T> does it return "already newest version" ?
[02:06] <elmago> yes
[02:07] <opi> http://bronikowski.com/?menu=single&id=75 ;-) evilness
[02:07] <cloud> ok i'm building the deb package of gmplayer
[02:07] <cloud> :DD
[02:07] <Tm_T> cloud: why not Kplayer?
[02:08] <apokryphos> or kaffeine, or xine player
[02:08] <elmago> anybody who knows how to solve this problem?
[02:09] <Tm_T> apokryphos: hmm, I was talking about mplayer guis
[02:09] <cloud> Tm_T: dunno...i was trying to see a WMV3 video file but kaffeine noatun and VLC don't have the needed codec
[02:09] <Tm_T> ah
[02:09] <cloud> so i was installing mplayer cuz it has the codec
[02:09] <apokryphos> Tm_T: oh, right.
[02:09] <geko> hi guys
[02:10] <geko> i have installed kubuntu-desktop via apt
[02:10] <Tm_T> cloud: install it, and try to install Kplayer aswell, Qt frontend to Mplayer
[02:10] <apokryphos> cloud: I thought they shared all the same codecs... I know wmv work for me; no idea what wmv3 is.
[02:10] <geko> it's working ine so now i wanna remove the gnome desktop
[02:10] <geko> how can i?
[02:10] <ztonzy> apokryphos: hello
[02:10] <apokryphos> hey
[02:10] <cloud> wmv3 is the latest version of wmv codec i think...
[02:11] <apokryphos> geko: There's no real reason to unless you're low on space, but you can probably use the debfoster command with ubuntu-desktop
[02:11] <cloud> opi i compiled and installed gmplayer but i receive this: Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[02:12] <cloud> and no skin file.
[02:13] <opi> cloud: first one can be ignored ;-)
[02:13] <Skaag> It looks like i'm going to the beach to catch some sun
[02:13] <opi> cloud: about no skin -- I have no idea, you need to put it somewhere :>
[02:13] <apokryphos> coool
[02:13] <opi> cloud: consult http://mplayerhq.hu
[02:14] <opi> cloud: because I never used gmplayer :(
[02:14] <apokryphos> geko: using debfoster: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24403
[02:17] <pain64> hi
[02:18] <oscar> algun espaol
[02:18] <oscar> ola
[02:18] <oscar> algun espaol
[02:20] <cloud> opi: skin configured with command -skin newskin. gmplayer started.
[02:20] <cloud> :D
[02:21] <opi> cloud: glad you made it! :-)
[02:21] <oscar> algun espaol
[02:22] <Tm_T> :/
[02:26] <cloud> heheh
[02:50] <oscar> algun espaol
[02:50] <oscar> ke em pueda yaudar
[02:51] <oscar> porfavor
[02:51] <oscar> algun
[02:51] <oscar> espaol
[02:52] <opi> ummm
[02:52] <oscar> opi eres espaol
[02:52] <opi> oscar: nope. I can write Polish/English only :P
[02:53] <opi> oscar: maybe try ubuntu-es?
[02:53] <oscar> no entiendo
[02:54] <oscar> i'm novice
[02:55] <opi> OK, there's #ubuntu-se dedicated for Spainish guys, you can try to get help there, unless someone from Spain is now here. :-)
[02:56] <oscar> tanke
[02:56] <oscar> no hay andie
[02:56] <oscar> no people
[02:57] <oscar> in this canel
[03:00] <opi> they seems to be IDLE
[03:00] <opi> you have problems with Kubuntu?
[03:00] <opi> maybe I could help, just try to say what's wrong
[03:02] <BkE> in which file can I change the resolution of runlevel 3?
[03:03] <opi> terminal?
[03:03] <opi> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmilOppelnBronikowski
[03:03] <opi> go to IHate640x480
[03:03] <opi> link
[03:03] <opi> or something
[03:03] <opi> I can not renember how I entitled it ;p
[03:03] <BkE> thanks:)
[03:04] <BkE> I mean, if kubuntu is booted, in the login screen, I go to "Console Login"
[03:04] <BkE> sorry for my bad english:)
[03:04] <opi> umm
[03:04] <opi> I see that my link is not active after Wiki transaction
[03:04] <opi> wait a bit more
[03:04] <BkE> ok
[03:06] <BkE> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IHate640x480
[03:06] <BkE> this page?:)
[03:06] <opi> yes
[03:06] <opi> ;)
[03:07] <cloud> opi: do you know something about this?: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/327
[03:07] <BkE> I love google :p
[03:07] <BkE> thnx opi
[03:07] <cloud> error msg that i have on startup of kde
[03:07] <opi> you're welcome
[03:07] <opi> cloud: wait
[03:08] <opi> disable composite in KDE
[03:08] <opi> dropshadows, menu transparency
[03:08] <opi> your X.org don't support it
[03:08] <opi> from what I've heard, composite is still in beta
[03:09] <opi> but I never used it, since my NeoMagic is not even 3D accelerated ;D
[03:09] <cloud> ok..and what can i do to have these translucency etc..etc..?
[03:09] <BkE> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash => kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash vga=791   correct?
[03:09] <opi> should be :-)
[03:10] <BkE> ok, I will try:)
[03:10] <BkE> bbl :p
[03:16] <ychahibi> Hi ! Any tips to improve Kubuntu speed performances ?
[03:17] <opi> it's quite fast ;)
[03:19] <bke> sweet, it works fine
[03:19] <opi> that would be $20 ;))
[03:19] <bke> thanks to opi :))
[03:19] <bke> :p
[03:19] <cloud> mmm when i try to navigate the samba resources from a window client samba ask me the password for the guest user...
[03:19] <opi> yeah, Windows XP changed Samba a bit
[03:19] <opi> google for it, it's quite easy to change
[03:20] <opi> but I have no idea how ;P
[03:20] <opi> changed Samba/changed Samba settings
[03:20] <cloud> ?
[03:20] <cloud> from the windows clients i can't browse the folders...
[03:21] <cloud> it aske me username and password
[03:21] <cloud> *_*
[03:27] <opi> aaa
[03:27] <opi> OK
[03:27] <opi> it's simple :)
[03:27] <opi> sudo
[03:27] <opi> sudo -s
[03:28] <opi> then
[03:28] <opi> vi /etc/samba/smb.conf
[03:28] <opi> or nano
[03:28] <opi> or whatever editor you like
[03:28] <opi> search for security
[03:28] <opi> change
[03:28] <opi> security = user
[03:28] <opi> to
[03:28] <opi> security = share
[03:28] <opi> then /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:28] <opi> done
[03:28] <opi> ;)
[03:29] <jesus> woot
[03:29] <opi> man, I should write a book ;)
[03:29] <jesus> u should
[03:29] <jesus> ur god
[03:29] <jesus> lol
[03:30] <opi> I'm not, he's old ;)
[03:30] <opi> I'm still around 25 ;P
[03:30] <jesus> well now i have another prob for you if you dont mind. im downloading the 686 kernel and i currently have the 386 kernel how do i tell my comp to use the 686?
[03:30] <opi> simple ;>
[03:30] <pain64> don't neeed to
[03:30] <jesus> ok
[03:30] <opi> also, it should run automagicly
[03:30] <pain64> grub wil be updated automatically and 686 kernel will be default
[03:31] <pain64> so, just reboot
[03:31] <jesus> so after i get the 686 downloaded should i restart and uninstall 386
[03:31] <opi> then use uname -a to check it out
[03:31] <opi> you don't need to uninstall it
[03:31] <jesus> ok
[03:31] <jesus> thanks man
[03:31] <pain64> correct, leave until it's sure everything works
[03:31] <jesus> brb
[03:31] <ychahibi> Does using linux-686 make ubuntu faster ?
[03:32] <pain64> slightly
[03:32] <ychahibi> Is there any way to rebuild all the packages for 686 ?
[03:32] <pain64> yes
[03:32] <opi> there was a project like that
[03:33] <opi> but there's not much sens for that
[03:33] <ychahibi> Why ?
[03:33] <opi> the speed gain will not be so significan
[03:34] <opi> I've been running highly-optimalized Gentoo on laptop
[03:34] <opi> and Debain
[03:34] <opi> there was no difference
[03:34] <ychahibi> But when I tested Yoper it was very fast except for the boot time
[03:34] <opi> changing arch switch in GCC won't turn everything to be superoptimalized
[03:35] <opi> you can use prelink to gain some speed
[03:35] <opi> or other tricks
[03:35] <ychahibi> yes .
[03:35] <pain64> http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
[03:35] <pain64> describes how to rebiuld all packages
[03:36] <opi> this must be painfull :D
[03:36] <ychahibi> or buy more RAM ! ;)
[03:36] <nikkia> ychahibi: not an option for my laptop
[03:36] <nikkia> it has 192MB and its not enough, its also as much as the chipset will support
[03:37] <sproingie> possibly with 1G of ram it doesnt help much
[03:37] <jesus> okie dokie so what do i type to check it?
[03:37] <opi> uname -a
[03:37] <jesus> k
[03:37] <ychahibi> with 512 it's very cool
[03:37] <opi> I have 256/P2@400
[03:37] <opi> KDE is barable
[03:37] <jesus> woot
[03:37] <jesus> sorry
[03:37] <jesus> w00t
[03:37] <sproingie> does prelink do relocations ahead of time or something?
[03:37] <sproingie> never figured out exactly how it works
[03:37] <jesus> lol
[03:38] <jesus> well thanks again
[03:38] <ychahibi> sproingie : I've tested it today , not great
[03:38] <opi> this are the sad times
[03:38] <opi> years ago we did *optimalization* to gain speed
[03:38] <sproingie> i know windows has a tool that tries to relocate everything to unique bases
[03:38] <pain64> prelinking works will imho. messure time between startup of openoffice with and without prelinking
[03:38] <sproingie> speeds things WAY up
[03:39] <opi> now we entrust everything to CPU vendors and compiler switch
[03:39] <pain64> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml
[03:39] <sproingie> oh please, not another "in my day men were men" fogie rant
[03:39] <ychahibi> ;)
[03:39] <ychahibi> bye
[03:40] <ralf> how much stuff is in a kubuntu dvd?
[03:41] <pain64> ralf, i think it is just the live and install cd#s bundled together
[03:41] <pain64> but not sure
[03:42] <ralf> i need a whole repository
[03:42] <opi> rsync it
[03:42] <opi> then burn it to DVD ;)
[03:42] <cloud> opi: nothin'...samba continues to refuse connections...now the xp client can't browse the network..
[03:42] <opi> strange
[03:42] <ralf> i'll put it on a nfs partition
[03:42] <opi> are you sure that there's a security = share?
[03:42] <cloud> yes
[03:42] <cloud> i changed in smb.conf
[03:43] <cloud> now it don't ask me the password..
[03:43] <opi> have you restarted it
[03:43] <opi> +?
[03:43] <opi> maybe you've broken it somewhere else
[03:43] <cloud> but the xp client can't totally browse the network
[03:43] <cloud> yes i done ./samba restart
[03:43] <opi> there's testparm program
[03:43] <opi> it will test config of samba
[03:44] <cloud> done...i'll past the result of the test
[03:44] <opi> OK
[03:45] <cloud> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/328
[03:45] <opi> got it
[03:45] <opi> I figured out that it will be next id ;))
[03:45] <cloud> ghghgh
[03:47] <opi> OK, first thing -- I'm not a big Samba expert, but if I recall clearly, you can't share your /home like that
[03:47] <opi> add # before obey pam
[03:47] <opi> where's your computer name defined?
[03:48] <cloud> so i have to comment that line
[03:48] <opi> netbios aliases = K5 -- IIRC there was different way to do that
[03:48] <opi> try it
[03:48] <sproingie> sharing your homedir in samba uses a special section or syntax or something
[03:48] <opi> sproingie: something like that, I'm not quite sure
[03:48] <opi> I run NFS ;)
[03:48] <sproingie> opens up all homedirs, more or less
[03:49] <sproingie> if you just want to share one though, there shouldn't be anything wrong with sharing it explicitly
[03:49] <cloud> yea i used that command it is also in the GUI..."share all homes"
[03:49] <cloud> but it didn't work...
[03:49] <opi> unless there's no rights problem
[03:49] <opi> if /home/myhome is a-x
[03:49] <sproingie> you sure?  tested it with another machine with smbfs?
[03:50] <sproingie> testing it on windows machines doesn't always locate the problem easily
[03:50] <sproingie> could be you don't have the right ntlm hash support for example
[03:50] <opi> also, here's a trick for you
[03:50] <opi> open another console
[03:50] <opi> and type
[03:50] <opi> tail -F /var/log/samba/log.something (something's machine name)
[03:51] <opi> you will have a log dump on your term
[03:53] <apollo2011> What is the dpkg command to set the default Desktop Manager? I have both Gnome and KDE and I installed Gnome and switched the default to KDE and now I want Gnome to be the default but I forgot the exact command
[03:54] <opi> do you have GDM/KDM?
[03:54] <cloud> done the comment of obey pam but nothing changed....xp still not browse the whole network.
[03:54] <cloud> #_#
[03:54] <opi> if you'll select your WM there, it will stay before another change
[03:54] <opi> cloud: sorry, I can not help you with it
[03:54] <cloud> opi: no prob thx for the help i appreciate it very much
[03:55] <opi> cloud: if you can wait few hours I'll e-mail you my home configuration
[03:55] <cloud> k
[03:55] <ychahibi> Hi,
[03:55] <cloud> you got my e-mail in pvt
[03:56] <ychahibi> I can run Flash MX trial in Kubuntu with Wine 2004
[03:56] <sproingie> opi: i think he wants to change which DM to use, i.e. GDM vs KDM
[03:56] <opi> hmm
[03:56] <opi> why? :)
[03:56] <sproingie> i think dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:56] <opi> both are doing same thing
[03:56] <sproingie> or dpkg-reconfigure xdm?
[03:57] <opi> he can try both
[03:57] <sproingie> yah but most people who run kde want kdm or gdm for gnome
[03:57] <opi> I use KDM for everything ;)
[03:57] <opi> or GDM
[03:57] <sproingie> they're both pretty damn minimal on ubuntu.  only real difference is brown vs blue
[03:57] <opi> whatever comes first
[03:57] <opi> plus you can change themes
[03:57] <opi> and IIRC new KDM uses GDM themes ;)
[03:57] <sproingie> not in kdm.  not easily anyway
[03:58] <sproingie> eh, kde 0wnz
[03:58] <sproingie> easy to say on ##kubuntu :)
[03:58] <opi> ;>>
[03:58] <opi> anyway, there's no good reason to swap'em :)
[03:58] <sproingie> i actually use the real features of any DE, either KDE or gnome, very rarely
[03:59] <sproingie> but kde's features are nice to have when i do want 'em
[03:59] <opi> KDE has more powerful framework
[03:59] <opi> that's why I like it
[03:59] <opi> all the technology inside
[03:59] <sproingie> i can appreciate the power, but frankly i never program it
[03:59] <opi> and KIOSlaves
[03:59] <sproingie> i just like what it does out of the box that gnome doesnt
[03:59] <opi> I can browse my Subversion repos, SFTP and whatever I like
[04:00] <sproingie> gnome has a prettier rubberband when you drag out files.  that's about it for me :)
[04:00] <nikkia> my only complaint about KDE's framework is that Qt makes it very difficult to create non-C++ bindings
[04:00] <sproingie> naw
[04:00] <sproingie> there's oodles of them
[04:00] <sproingie> perl, python, ruby
[04:00] <sproingie> you use swig
[04:00] <nikkia> sproingie: yeah? where's the Ada binding then?
[04:01] <opi> nikkia: I've been playing with PyQT, it looked quite OK for me
[04:01] <nikkia> i said 'difficult' not 'impossible'
[04:01] <sproingie> or better, the bindings they provided, since swig produces nasty code
[04:01] <sproingie> i thought ada had a FFI to C++
[04:02] <nikkia> sproingie: the problem is the whole moc nonsense
[04:02] <sproingie> moc sucs
[04:02] <sproingie> openc++ would have been the way to go
[04:02] <nikkia> sproingie: it works if you're binding from a dynamic language, like, erm, all the ones you listed
[04:02] <sproingie> but occ wasn't nearly mature enough when moc was created
[04:02] <nikkia> the problem is moc makes binding to any static language difficult
[04:03] <sproingie> is moc so complex that it can't be faked by some adaptor class?
[04:03] <opi> I want C# bindings for KDE! (or maybe it's ready? :-)
[04:03] <nikkia> sproingie: you'd have to reimplement something like moc for Ada
[04:03] <sproingie> i thought moc wasnt much more sophisticated than cpp, just slightly different macros
[04:04] <sproingie> translates signal/slot calls into function pointers or something
[04:04] <sproingie> or direct method calls even ... been a while since i looked at qt
[04:06] <ralf> how can I download packages form p.u.o including dependencies?
[04:07] <sproingie> apt-get --download-only foo
[04:08] <sproingie> er, probably need install as well
[04:08] <sproingie> apt-get --download-only install foo
[04:10] <ralf> i'm not on an ubuntu machine
[04:10] <ralf> i wish to download the whole repo
[04:11] <ralf> but only kubuntu-i386
[04:11] <sproingie> ah, you want to mirror
[04:11] <ralf> all archs are 75GB
[04:11] <ralf> no, mirror is too big
[04:11] <sproingie> that's beyond my knowledge
[04:11] <ralf> i have ubuntu on a pc with no network
[04:11] <ralf> and i want to put a repo on my usb drive (30GB)
[04:12] <sproingie> yah, that's called creating a local repository, and I'm not entirely sure how to do it
[04:12] <ralf> with debian i can build a dvd with packages
[04:12] <ralf> i think i'll go with ethc..
[04:13] <nikkia> can't you just clear the cache, then reinstall all ?
[04:13] <nikkia> then use the cache as your set of packages to put on your 'local repository' ?
[04:13] <Sho_> Hi - say, how would I go about setting up a friend with a newer version of Konversation than included with Hoary? Installing the Debian packages and forcing dpkg to ignore the (irrelevant) unresolved dependencies? Take a package from the Kubuntu development branch (if one exists)? I'm not familiar with the Debian package management intricacies
[04:16] <ralf> nikkia: that pc hasn't network
[04:19] <sproingie> i don't know that i'd go installing a binary from a newer version.  library version skew is really heinous in kde
[04:19] <sproingie> Sho_: you could always try downloading and installing it from source
[04:20] <sproingie> Sho_:  lemme know how that goes.  konversation is pretty krashy for me
[04:20] <Sho_> sproingie: well, that's rather unclean ... I guess I could look at how to make a package from source though
[04:21] <sproingie> Sho_: you could try upgrading the package itself, sure.  unfortunately even stability bugfixes won't make it into Hoary, but you could possibly get it into breezy
[04:21] <sproingie> Sho_: assuming there isn't just an upstream maintainer you could send whatever diffs you made to the package.  which is probably none
[04:21] <Sho_> sproingie: there is a konvi-0.18 package in breezy, however it has dependencies that are not present in hoary, so the situation is similar to using the konvi debian vanilla package
[04:22] <sproingie> yep.  breezy and hoary don't really mix
[04:22] <Sho_> the goal is to set up 0.18 (hoary ships 0.15) on hoary without bypassing the package management and without having a shitload of warnings displayed whenever apt is put into action after doing a dpkg -i --force-all :)
[04:22] <sproingie> there's a much bigger disconnect between breezy and hoary than between debian stable and unstable
[04:23] <sproingie> i think the devs are working on grumpy to bridge that sort of problem
[04:34] <Sho_> hm, the build dependencies of the breezy 0.18 source package seem OK though
[04:34] <Sho_> on to figuring out what to do with a *.dsc ..
[04:34] <_ubuntu> hey
[04:35] <Hory> why does it say "add an alias first" when i add a DNS in the network settings?
[05:07] <mcquaid> hello all
[05:07] <mcquaid> ok i've just tried switching from gnome to kde, first time using kde in a few years
[05:07] <mcquaid> is there another native kde video player besides noatun?
[05:08] <mcquaid> not having any luck with it
[05:08] <Tm_T> kaffeine
[05:08] <Tm_T> Kplayer
[05:09] <mcquaid> thx forgot about kaffeine, i'll give that a try
[05:09] <mcquaid> minor thing, is there a way to bind the k menu to the windows key?
[05:09] <mcquaid> it used to be that way, way back when
[05:09] <mcquaid> gnome 2.8 used to do the same thing as well, but no more in 2.10
[05:12] <mcquaid> and this used to be a basic thing but i don't see how to do it now,  i want to add konqueror in file browser mode to the panel
[05:12] <mcquaid> when i click add to panel and choose apps, i don't see kongueror anywhere, i assume because it's no longer a standalone menu entry
[05:13] <mcquaid> it only seems accessible from the quick browser entry
[05:18] <mcquaid> i wanted to check out the faq http://kudos.berlios.de/ but it seems to be down
[05:18] <mcquaid> is there a mirror?
[05:19] <Shuddertrix> You could try a caching service, like google's cache or something
[05:21] <mcquaid> i see arts is still a pain in the ass
[05:22] <Shuddertrix> ;)
[05:22] <Shuddertrix> With those kde-specific questions, you might want to try #kde also
[05:22] <craiga> howdy all
[05:22] <mcquaid> yeah true, but then why have a seperate kubuntu channel at all?
[05:23] <mcquaid> just for package issues?
[05:23] <Shuddertrix> well, i mean as a second resource if someone doesn't give you an answer here :)
[05:23] <craiga> having some konqueror issues - crashing at random intervals on two different machines (both running Hoary)
[05:23] <mcquaid> yes true
[05:23] <craiga> just wondered if there are some things I could try to fix it?
[05:24] <mcquaid> the menu's are a mess in kde, I wonder if anyone has cleaned them up and posted a menu file before i attempt to manually do it
[05:25] <Shuddertrix> A mess?
[05:25] <Shuddertrix> Hmm, i can't get any cache to show the site, sorry.
[05:26] <mcquaid> well, i guess when i boot back into gnome they will probably be a mess as well, as before i just had gnome apps now i have a bunch of kde apps as well
[05:26] <mcquaid> for ex, i'd prefer nto to have gnome's terminal in the menu instead of konsole, damn i can't even find konsole in the kde menu
[05:27] <Shuddertrix> System > Terminal Program (Konsole)
[05:27] <mcquaid> ah there it is
[05:27] <Shuddertrix> for me, at least. It was a pain so I just moved it to the panel.
[05:27] <mcquaid> sorry it's just information overload for me
[05:28] <mcquaid> ya thats why i was looking for it to add to the panel
[05:28] <mcquaid> thx
[05:28] <Shuddertrix> i have to say that kontact has really grown on me.
[05:28] <mcquaid> haven't tried it yet
[05:28] <mcquaid> but amarok is pretty damn slick
[05:29] <mcquaid> got rebuild that bin (forget the name now) so musicbrainz works with mp3s
[05:29] <mcquaid> got to..
[05:30] <mcquaid> i haven't tried musicbrainz yet, but from what I've read it 's pretty acurate
[05:30] <mcquaid> i'm really impressed that that could work at all
[05:32] <mcquaid> one thing i've always preferred in windows over kde and gnome is simple menu editing
[05:32] <mcquaid> instead of making a menu editor, in windows they are just a bunch of short cuts, and you can use the file browser to do the job
[05:33] <mcquaid> like why reinvent the wheel and make a menu editor proggie, when the best app for the job is already there
[05:34] <Shuddertrix> ugh
[05:35] <Shuddertrix> amarok is skipping all over the place
[05:36] <edulix> hi !
[05:36] <mcquaid> really not for me
[05:36] <mcquaid> is it set for gstreamer?
[05:37] <Shuddertrix> i dunno
[05:37] <edulix> I've been trying to install FC4 in this computer (I like to test other distros :P). it didn't work, and now when I try to start kubuntu, I get:
[05:37] <Shuddertrix> i've never used it before, was just checking it out
[05:37] <edulix> request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-000 (5 times)
[05:38] <mcquaid> well whats cool is basically the play list stuff, and the little extras
[05:38] <Shuddertrix> fixed it, it was arts
[05:38] <Shuddertrix> It was set to use OSS.. strange.
[05:38] <mcquaid> like it tracks what you play, grabs the album cover pics, and there is a lyrics tab as well where it grabs the lyrics for ya
[05:38] <Shuddertrix> Yeah, this is cool
[05:38] <edulix> I've tried to run reiserfsck --fix-fixable, --rebuild-tree, etc. I've tried with both kernels I had for kubuntu, always happened the same error. I've even chrooted from this knoppix cd to the kubuntu partition to install 2.6.11, and also happened the same error
[05:39] <edulix> what to do now ?
[05:39] <Shuddertrix> edulix: never ran into that problem before, strange..
[05:40] <Shuddertrix> heh, amarok can't find all lyrics.
[05:40] <mcquaid> no unfortunately it can't :(
[05:41] <mcquaid> but a fair amount
[05:41] <Shuddertrix> crap
[05:41] <Shuddertrix> was going to add lyrics but clicked the wrong link
[05:43] <Shuddertrix> I like the OSD, though
[05:43] <edulix> I think my problem is initrd related
[05:43] <edulix> can I just ommit the initrd file in grub ?
[05:44] <edulix> or is it needed ?
[05:44] <Shuddertrix> eh, not sure
[05:44] <edulix> uhm let's try (the catch is that if it doesn't work, knoppix takes a while to start)
[05:45] <mcquaid> when i just added konsole to the panel everything else shifted and centered, wtf?
[05:45] <mcquaid> is there a way to lock the position of stuff?
[05:45] <Shuddertrix> mcquaid: launchers can't get locked.. other things can.
[05:46] <Shuddertrix> i have my panel all set up already, it's just a simple move around to add things to it.
[05:46] <Shuddertrix> err, panels
[05:46] <Shuddertrix> time for a walk :P i scheduled in some walking time with korganizer in kontact :D
[05:46] <mcquaid> ya i probably won't muck with it once it's set up but i've had a couple of shifts already
[05:47] <mcquaid> k cya
[05:47] <Shuddertrix> it took me about 5 minutes to get my panels to look like i wanted them to, and they don't look half bad :)
[05:48] <Shuddertrix> i'll post a screenshot of this later
[05:48] <Sho_> Hm, does Kubuntu ship freetype with the ttf bytecode interpreter enabled?
[05:49] <Shuddertrix> Crud, there is hail everywhere outside :(
[05:50] <sproingie> Sho_: according to dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig it does
[05:50] <sproingie> tho possibly that option actually does nothing :0
[05:51] <Sho_> mhm
[05:57] <mcquaid> it's so humid it's like soup outside here
[05:58] <Shuddertrix> same here, it just rained
[05:58] <Shuddertrix> and hailed, it's like snow outside almost
[05:58] <Sho_> and another quickie: does kubuntu use kdm?
[05:58] <Shuddertrix> Sho_: Yes.
[05:58] <Sho_> thank you
[06:00] <cloud> hey anyone knows why i can browse folders and files with my xp client but i can't open copy or read files (samba)
[06:00] <mcquaid> you don't have to use kdm, it's kdm's login manager, but u can use gdm if you want as well
[06:01] <Shuddertrix> or xdm ;)
[06:02] <cloud> i can browse the folder but when i try to open a file it says "acces denied
[06:39] <Tm_T> got root?
[06:39] <Tm_T> :p
[06:41] <mcquaid> is anyone on 3.4.1 here yet?
[06:42] <mcquaid> i'm missing a feature that a friend has and i'm wondering if it's a 3.4.1 feature
[06:42] <mcquaid> in control center desktop > behaviour > file icons i dont have a video option under "show icon previews for"
[06:43] <Tm_T> sure I have 3.4.1
[06:44] <Riddell> I don't have that in 3.4.1
[06:44] <Riddell> it'll be a plugin from somewhere
[06:44] <mcquaid> hmm, i wonder what provides that
[06:44] <mcquaid> can't find much info on it
[06:45] <Tm_T> never saw such thing
[06:45] <Tm_T> or, do I
[06:45] <mcquaid> in #kde this guy i'm talking to says he has that and works for all his vids
[06:47] <mcquaid> oh well i'll look into it another time
[06:48] <mcquaid> is there a way to have konq remember which way you view a dir?  99% of dirs i view in details but in some folders that are all pics i'd prefer icons by default
[06:48] <mcquaid> similar to how nautilus remembers
[06:48] <mcquaid> or does it always require a manual switch
[06:56] <spiral> hi
[07:01] <neul> hello peoples-- where wd i go for info on installing/configuring my printer?  yes i am a noob
[07:04] <neul> does anybody know how to install a printer on Kubuntu?
[07:07] <neul> me whistles and rolls his eyes
[07:07] <godsmoke> it's clearly outlined in the kde manual
[07:07] <neul> cule thx
[07:08] <godsmoke> sigh
[07:08] <neul> sorry... thought this was a help channel...  cya
[07:43] <Skaag> strange my kmail won't send mail
[07:43] <Skaag> they juse queue up there in the outbox
[07:43] <Skaag> altough I did setup an SMTP entry
[08:42] <_judith> how do I make non-current windows appear in the taskbar?
[08:44] <apokryphos> _judith: non-current?
[08:45] <_judith> apokryphos: yes. I have them non-minimized but not working with them currently. They do not appear on the taskbar except when they are minimized.
[08:46] <apokryphos> _judith: I'm confused. So when you're not focued on a window it disappears from kicker?
[08:47] <apokryphos> freaky
[08:47] <_judith> apokryphos: yes...precisely
[08:48] <apokryphos> _judith: did you specifically choose this setting anywhere? I've never heard of that happening
[08:48] <apokryphos> aha
[08:48] <apokryphos> _judith: Right-click > Configure Panel > taskbar  and unselect the "show only minimised windows"
[08:49] <_judith> OK
[08:49] <_judith> thanx...I could not see that!
[08:49] <apokryphos> :)
[08:50] <yahalom> i cant install kubuntu
[08:51] <yahalom> something about kdelibs
[08:51] <apokryphos> yahalom: are you on gnome?
[08:51] <yahalom> apokryphos, xfce
[08:51] <yahalom> apokryphos, i have gnome too
[08:51] <apokryphos> yahalom: no worry. Did you add the extra kubuntu.org repository?
[08:52] <yahalom> apokryphos, there is a dedicated repo?
[08:52] <apokryphos> For KDE 3.4.1 -- yes
[08:52] <apokryphos> see /topic
[08:53] <yahalom> apokryphos, so no
[08:53] <yahalom> apokryphos, what is it?
[08:53] <yahalom> apokryphos, the repo?
[08:53] <apokryphos> yahalom: topic ;-).
[08:53] <apokryphos> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[08:53] <yahalom> apokryphos, thats the repo?
[08:54] <apokryphos> yahalom: explained there
[08:55] <yahalom> oh duh
[08:55] <yahalom> thanx
[08:55] <yahalom> apokryphos, ok its working.
[08:56] <apokryphos> cool
[08:57] <yahalom> apokryphos, greek?
[08:57] <apokryphos> Indeed :)
[08:57] <yahalom> apokryphos, where?
[08:57] <apokryphos> Living in London, but from North Greece
[08:57] <apokryphos> Thessaloniki and Chalkidiki
[08:57] <yahalom> apokryphos, ah ok. i grew up in greece.
[08:58] <apokryphos> Cool; whereabouts?
[08:58] <yahalom> apokryphos, hydra, near aegina
[09:00] <apokryphos> oh, cool
[09:00] <apokryphos> Never been
[09:02] <yahalom> apokryphos, yeah. its changed now anyway. become one of those spoiled trouris places.
[09:02] <yahalom> gtg
[09:02] <yahalom> thanx man
[09:06] <pv_> Umm, why are the kubuntu kde-3.4.1 update packages not signed?
[09:16] <uniq> pv_: no, they are not.
[09:16] <buz> thats not exactly the answer to a question with "why" ;)
[09:16] <buz> i was wondering myself a few times
[09:16] <pv_> Yes, I can see that, but was wondering why :)
[09:18] <uniq> why, well. they are buildt by 3 different people, and we don't have a system for doing that yet.
[09:34] <wizzard> pls, how do I set dpi in Xwindows? it was some command, but cannot find it
[09:40] <_felix> hello!!!
[09:46] <wizzard> hi
[09:57] <_judith> How do I improve my defaullt fonts on ubuntu?
[09:58] <Tm_T> uhm?
[10:12] <hon> a usability suggestion: I often like to Ctrl+M the main-menus out, but I also sometimes need them. is it possibel to hide the main-menu while preserving the ability to activate the submenus? (Alt+L, Alt+F, ...)
[10:14] <uniq> that sounds more like a #kde or #kde-devel question to me.
[10:15] <uniq> i don't think it's possible with the current kde.
[10:15] <uniq> but you could suggest it. :)
[10:27] <hon> right after your suggestion I tried #kde and #kde-devel, thanks.
[10:27] <uniq> :)
[10:33] <_martti> hi
[12:01] <Firetech> what's with all these new updates?
[12:02] <Firetech> akregator, kdepim etc.


[20:00] <genii> Stuck at this point for 90 minutes so far in the installation of 22.04.4 https://i.imgur.com/A6psr2j.jpeg
[20:05] <Odd_Bloke> genii: That link 404s for me.
[20:08] <genii> Basically it's stuck at trying to install GRUB
[20:14] <genii> When I switch to another console and run a command like" ps aux| grep apt  ... it's reporting  ? for tty on those processes
[20:18] <genii> Hm, actually for almost every process https://defuse.ca/b/nqH04Ui45JTyHLz1cvpzvH
[20:20] <genii> ( I'm ssh'd in from another machine and did a sudo -i )
[21:47] <kenyon> genii: the tty being a question mark doesn't matter. I would look a the subiquity log.


[00:01] <ricotz> Laney, hi :), what is the reason for still keeping this patch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte2.91/0.38.1-1ubuntu1 , wouldn't it better to drop it and adapt the users to it while transitioning to the new library


[06:56] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:20] <YoBoY> good morning
[09:31] <nigelb> YoBoY: heya
[09:31] <nigelb> YoBoY: do you have perhaps a few minutes to spare?
[09:31] <YoBoY> nigelb: I have
[09:31] <nigelb> YoBoY: We announced user days recently and it will happen in the last week of January
[09:32] <nigelb> YoBoY: does the french loco have enough people to do irc sessions in french? Perhaps you folks can have a french one simultanously with your own instructors
[09:32] <nigelb> There's generally a Spanish Users running every cycle
[09:33] <YoBoY> we have a lot of people, but the second part of your question is the problem ^^"
[09:33] <nigelb> YoBoY: which bit? :)
[09:33] <YoBoY> but I can try to find the people to do that
[09:33] <nigelb> \o/
[09:33] <YoBoY> "to do irc sessions"
[09:34] <nigelb> YoBoY: ahhhh
[09:34] <nigelb> I wondered about that bit
[09:35] <nigelb> YoBoY: Let me or someone in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage know if its feasible :)
[09:35] <YoBoY> it's saturday and sunday... ok, I try to put that in motion :)
[09:35] <nigelb> \o/
[09:37] <YoBoY> where is vincentxavier when I need him ...
[09:53] <YoBoY> nigelb: mail sent to our events list, we need to wait now :)
[09:53] <YoBoY> JanC: ping
[09:58] <nigelb> YoBoY: \o/ thanks :)
[10:17] <YoBoY> JanC: just to ask you when you start organising the Fossdem, I have lot of french members who are ready to help your team :)
[10:30] <locodir-user> hey all
[10:31] <locodir-user> ?????
[10:31] <daker> hi locodir-user
[10:31] <locodir-user> hey
[10:31] <locodir-user> how r u
[10:32] <daker> fine & you
[10:32] <daker> ?
[10:32] <locodir-user> m fine too thankss
[10:32] <locodir-user> so whr u frm?
[12:35] <nigelb> daker: hey
[12:35] <daker> nigelb, hello
[12:35] <nigelb> daker: is the loco directory iframe for webchat prompting for username?
[12:36] <nigelb> or you're automatically setting locodir-user?
[12:37] <daker> by default it's " locodir-user" you can change it before you login into irc, if you are already login into LD it will use your LP nickname
[12:43] <nigelb> daker: ah, ok
[12:43] <nigelb> daker: I've been curious where these locodir-users were coming from :)
[12:43] <daker> from LD
[12:48] <nigelb> daker: yep, now I figured it out :D
[15:41] <cjohnston> mornin
[15:41] <nhandler> Hey cjohnston
[15:42] <cjohnston> hey nhandler
[15:46] <Ronnie> hey cjohnston. Im now looking into the empty username issues on loco-directory. Most of them are related to an username change on launchpad. This should be covered by django-openid-auth. Do you know if there is already a fix for this?
[15:48] <Ronnie> bug 637166
[15:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 637166 in loco-directory "No Real Name appearing in Attendees list (affects: 2) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637166
[15:50] <cjohnston> Ronnie: mhall119 has been working on that.. you'd have to talk to him.. I really don't know. sorry
[15:51] <Ronnie> mhall119: worked on another problem i tought. is is very similar, but only intended for admin users who registered with openid, when a user with the same username already existed
[15:51] <cjohnston> I dunno
[15:52] <Ronnie> alright, then ill wait for an answer from mhall119
[15:53] <cjohnston> Bug #639772
[15:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 639772 in loco-directory (and 1 other project) "New user name after LP login (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/639772
[15:53] <cjohnston> thats what mhall119 is working on
[15:56] <Ronnie> hmm, i see my username is correct when i login with the development instance. The love loco.ubuntu.com still uses my old username. So i guess most if it should be solved next server upgrade
[15:56] <Ronnie> there are two 'strange' usernames with +launchpad added to the name, but maybe these are fixed too by the same patch
[16:03] <cjohnston> hey dholbach_
[16:03] <dholbach_> hi
[16:04] <cjohnston> dholbach: any chance you could take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/627492/+merge/43988
[16:04] <dholbach> I'm afraid no - I really want to finish something else today which has been dragging on for too long
[16:04] <cjohnston> ok
[16:05] <dholbach> Daviey, mhall119: ^? (where's daker, toabctl, rww and friends?)
[16:06] <mhall119> I'm around (ish)
[16:06] <cjohnston> o/
[16:06] <Ronnie> cjohnston: does the meetings chair not work for you?
[16:07] <mhall119> Ronnie: the "No real name" issue is the same as the openiduser## issue, where we don't get a nickname in the openid response, which means we can't find the user's real name from launchpad
[16:08] <Ronnie> mhall119: and that fix is included in the dev version now?
[16:08] <mhall119> no, that's a problem with openid
[16:10] <Ronnie> but wasn't there a django-openid fix for this somewhere?
[16:11] <mhall119> yeah, I just need to write test cases for it before it'll be accepted
[16:11] <mhall119> on my TODO list
[16:12] <Ronnie> oke, great. because its my n1 bug on the current live version
[16:12] <mhall119> you're getting openiduser## when you login?
[16:13] <Ronnie> no, i changed username on LP. but when i register for an event, i have no name (realname field in UserPRofile is empty)
[16:13] <Ronnie> i have to eat now. be back in an hour
[16:14] <mhall119> Ronnie: try running the update-openids management command before you log in
[16:14] <mhall119> that should take care of that
[16:14] <mhall119> because you're probably getting yourusername2 as your username
[16:15] <mhall119> which, when it looks for yourusername2 in launchpad, it doesn't find anything
[16:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: I'm gonna look at a couple of the merges.. but i think they are advanced enough that I want a second opinion
[16:27] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: wassup buddy !!!
[16:27] <TrickyJ> hi all :)
[16:28] <cjohnston> hello
[16:31] <mhall119> cjohnston: I may or may not get to them today
[16:31] <cjohnston> ok
[16:31] <cjohnston> mhall119: did you see this one: Bug 692121
[16:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 692121 in loco-directory "Team event has been unlinked to loco team on loco.ubuntu.com (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692121
[16:31] <mhall119> yeah, I have no idea how that happened
[16:31] <cjohnston> me either
[16:31] <cjohnston> i wonder if dholbach can manually relink it somehwo in the db
[16:31] <mhall119> I asked the team member, and he said there wasn't a renaming of the team, so no merge
[16:32] <mhall119> only admins changed
[16:32] <cjohnston> ya.. that shouldnt effect it tho right?
[16:32] <mhall119> but that shouldn't cause this, under any concievable scenario
[16:32] <mhall119> I'm not sure if dholbach has access to the /admin
[16:32] <cjohnston> hmm
[16:32] <cjohnston> what do you think for priority? high?
[16:33] <mhall119> yeah
[16:33] <mhall119> so far it's the only instance of this that I'm aware of
[16:33] <cjohnston> ya
[16:40] <dholbach> can you ask the IS folks about any db changes?
[16:45] <cjohnston> mhall119: has your bugfix been released
[16:45] <mhall119> dholbach: what do you mean?
[16:45] <mhall119> cjohnston: which bug fix?
[16:45] <cjohnston> the one you pushed to prod
[16:47] <mhall119> it's in prod, yes, but not in trunk yet
[16:47] <mhall119> you can change that though: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/loco-directory/fixes-692098/+merge/44596
[16:47] <cjohnston> ok
[16:50] <cjohnston> done
[17:06] <cjohnston> trying the import live data
[17:07] <cjohnston> this is gonna be cool!
[17:14] <Ronnie> cjohnston: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/627492/+merge/43988 - what about the namings "Members of <teamname>" and "Other users" ?
[17:15] <Ronnie> also, does the meeting chair sorting not work for you, even when you import data with import-live-data ?
[17:15] <cjohnston> I can try it after the import, i havent done that yet
[17:16] <cjohnston> but before the import, it wasnt working
[17:16] <Ronnie> were the other sortings (edit team) working at that point ?
[17:17] <cjohnston> not the one time that i tried it
[17:17] <cjohnston> i havent looked at it since my comment on the merge
[17:17] <Ronnie> oke, what abount the name changes?
[17:18] <cjohnston> name changes?
[17:18] <Ronnie> """ "Other members" should be renamed. They aren't members """
[17:18] <cjohnston> right.. did you change it?
[17:18] <Ronnie>  what about the namings "Members of <teamname>" and "Other users" ?
[17:19] <Ronnie> i proposed a solution ^
[17:19] <cjohnston> that seems fine to me.. mhall119 ^
[17:19] <cjohnston> import is slow! lol
[17:19] <cjohnston> no importing when im at work
[17:19] <Ronnie> cjohnston: it takes 5 minutes on my pc
[17:20] <cjohnston> i need to get it setup on my server so i dont have to use my internet
[17:20] <Ronnie> i make a copy of the database, and pasted into my other branches
[17:20] <cjohnston> im up to atleast 10
[17:20] <Ronnie> so i have to do it one time. but when i do the final test, i remove the database. and do all steps over (sync, migrate etc)
[17:26] <Ronnie> cjohnston: Members of <teamname> => what to do if there are multiple teams
[17:26] <cjohnston> well... for loco teams, there wont be members of multiple teams
[17:27] <cjohnston> i assume in the future it could be possible for a meeting to be between multiple teams
[17:27] <cjohnston> I'm fine with just "Team members"/"Other Users"
[17:31] <Ronnie> then it wil be that. just saw that "Members of Ubuntu Nederland" is too long to fit properly into the dropdowns, so i guess you proposed the right and easiest solutution
[17:31] <cjohnston> k
[17:33] <Ronnie> i pushed the new revision
[17:34] <cjohnston> ty
[17:34] <cjohnston> uggh
[17:35] <cjohnston> still doing import
[17:35] <cjohnston> I'd like to try to get the meeting feature finished, and commit the current merge requests, and then maybe push a new version next week
[17:35] <Ronnie> wow, what cpu do you have
[17:36] <cjohnston> shouldnt have anything to do with cpu should it
[17:37] <Ronnie> i think the .save() method requires CPU
[17:37] <cjohnston> o
[17:37] <Ronnie> the internet stuff is very limited
[17:37] <Ronnie> when i execute import-live-data, one core of my cpu raises too 100%
[17:39] <cjohnston> a t6600
[17:39] <cjohnston> my cpu is around 15%
[17:40] <cjohnston> wonder if its limiting cause im on batery
[17:40] <Ronnie> hmm, now i see... the CPU is for me also 15% but, top gives: Cpu(s):  3.7%us,  3.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 51.9%id, 40.8%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[17:41] <Ronnie> i dont know what the "wa" means ?
[17:41] <Ronnie> is it "wait"
[17:41] <Ronnie> id should be idle i guess
[17:41] <cjohnston> dunno
[17:41] <cjohnston> my load avg is all over 34
[17:41] <cjohnston> sorry
[17:41] <cjohnston> all over 3
[17:42] <Ronnie> hhm, here 1.5
[17:43] <cjohnston> mhall119: Bug #686268 iirc it should still be in progress as only the back end is done, correct?
[17:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 686268 in loco-directory "Add the ability to add agenda items (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686268
[17:44] <Ronnie> i think the "wa" is iowait, but i dont know where the cpu is waiting for
[17:45] <Ronnie> maybe i can reduce the iowait be combining more .save() calls
[17:49] <mhall119> cjohnston: correct
[17:49] <mhall119> Ronnie: it's probably waiting on sqlite to write the data
[17:50] <Ronnie> i can skip the .save() when the object does not need a m2m relationship. and than save all the objects of one time in one call.
[17:50] <Ronnie> mhall119: does a .save() call also saves the objects in queque ?
[17:50] <Ronnie> queue*
[17:52] <cjohnston> Ronnie: want work on any of the meeting bugs ;-)
[17:53] <Ronnie> cjohnston: not today, but if you want, assign a few to me. then ill have a look tomorrow
[17:53] <cjohnston> lol
[17:56] <cjohnston> holy crap its done
[17:57] <Ronnie> 5 minutes and 45 seconds here. now lets test the new version
[17:58] <cjohnston> Ronnie: it didnt copy over the name of one of the events
[17:59] <Ronnie> cjohnston: hmm strange
[17:59] <cjohnston> L'Heure Ubuntu @ Outremont (Montréal)
[17:59] <Ronnie> can you retrieve the json file, and look if the name is present there
[17:59] <cjohnston> I wonder if it didn t cause of the special chars
[18:00] <Ronnie> i wonder too
[18:00] <cjohnston> wheres the file
[18:00] <Ronnie> you have to retrieve it manually by url
[18:00] <Ronnie> http://loco.ubuntu.com/services/events
[18:02] <cjohnston> that link does not have the (Montreal) part
[18:08] <Ronnie> cjohnston: then the server side is wrong
[18:09] <Ronnie> http://www.preetk.com/node/optimizing-mass-commits-django-django_bulk_save/
[18:10] <Ronnie> hmm not standard django stuff i see. nevermind (not adding deps for an update script)
[18:15] <Ronnie> mhall119: should it be possible to use the loaddata command: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/django-admin/#loaddata-fixture-fixture
[18:41] <TrickyJ> !help
[18:41] <ubot4> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[19:24] <TrickyJ> !search Ronnie
[19:24] <ubot4> None found
[19:25] <TrickyJ> !search sbc
[19:25] <ubot4> Found: maintainer
[19:30] <cjohnston> czajkowski: paultag itnet7 anyone around for a quick opinion
[19:32] <cjohnston> any other council members?
[19:35] <czajkowski> sup
[19:36] <czajkowski> f urgent can you mail us
[19:36] <cjohnston> http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3558/partt.png <-- look at "Participating: ...."
[19:37] <cjohnston> does participating seem right, or is there a better word that yall can think of
[19:37] <czajkowski> seems right
[19:37] <czajkowski> taking part
[19:38] <cjohnston> participation
[19:38] <czajkowski> bbut not sure it should say events
[19:38] <czajkowski> participating teams makes more snes
[19:38] <czajkowski> *sense
[19:38] <cjohnston> participating in this global event!
[19:38] <cjohnston> ?
[19:39] <cjohnston> or participating in $event name
[19:39] <YoBoY> why there is a number of people ?
[19:40] <cjohnston> why not
[19:40] <czajkowski> but if it;s already under the global even t
[19:40] <czajkowski> why the need to say it agaibn
[19:40] <YoBoY> how do you count ?
[19:40] <cjohnston> everyone who has rsvp'ed to an event that is a part of a global event
[19:40] <cjohnston> czajkowski: true
[19:40] <czajkowski> YoBoY: not counting people counting teams
[19:40] <cjohnston> it counts people and teams and countries
[19:42] <YoBoY> counting teams and countries is great, counting people... this number is just strange
[19:42] <cjohnston> i dont think it is
[19:43] <cjohnston> wouldnt it be cool to be able to say we had 1500 people attend a glbal jam
[19:43] <cjohnston> czajkowski: could someone add next years ubuntu hour event?
[19:44] <YoBoY> yes, i agree but this number don't count the people who attended to an event but only the people who register to an event before and only on LD
[19:44] <cjohnston> it cant be perfect
[19:44] <cjohnston> but its still a cool stat
[19:45] <cjohnston> and you can rsvp to a past event
[19:46] <YoBoY> ^^" yes, you are always assuming everyone have a Launchpad account and use loco directory ;)
[19:46] <cjohnston> there is no other way of measurement
[19:46] <cjohnston> its the best that we can do
[19:47] <YoBoY> a field on the events to put this information after the event, it's would help also to have more information on the team reports
[19:48] <cjohnston> then why have rsvp'ing
[20:22] <mhall119> YoBoY: file a bug and get coding ;)
[20:25] <czajkowski> YoBoY: get coding and stop always finding an issue :)
[20:25] <czajkowski> cjohnston: can it wait for a day or so to create the UH just going to bed.
[20:52] <mhall119> there are other LC members we can bug
[20:53] <czajkowski> mhall119: 2 days before xmas cant see it happening tbh
[20:53] <czajkowski> and not really urgent imo
[20:53]  * mhall119 has itnet7's phone number
[20:53] <czajkowski> will get it done at some stage soon
[20:53] <czajkowski> mhall119: fair enough
[20:54] <mhall119> but I won't bug anybody about it
[22:53]  * cjohnston might be diving in the keys next week!
[22:59] <YoBoY> mhall119: czajkowski I don't know python :'(
[23:02] <cjohnston> maybe use the events as a time to teach people to make LP accounts and then they can rsvp
[23:06] <YoBoY> well... launchpad is not translated...
[23:09] <cjohnston> http://translate.google.com/?hl=en#
[23:18] <daker> \o/