[06:17] <dreki> While setting up sieve on my email server I mistakenly setup a symlink  (~/sieve/myfilter.svbin > ~/.dovecot.sieve) but I think that that should have been  (~/sieve/myfilter.sieve > ~/.dovecot.sieve). I have fixed the mistake but dovecot/sieve still throws an error saying that the symlink still links to the wrong file. I have made sure the symlink is fixed and I tried restarting dovecot and the server but nothing works. I still get the error and my sieve f
[06:17] <dreki> If anyone has any ideas about what I could be doing wrong I would greatly appreciate any help.
[10:47] <jamespage> coreycb, zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1644187
[10:49] <tobasco> jamespage: ping, uca update breaking spawning new instances for me on 14.04 uca liberty https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1644187
[10:50] <jamespage> tobasco, I just raised that with zul and coreycb prior to you joining channel
[10:51] <jamespage> tobasco, q do your compute and controller units have the same versions of the package?
[10:51] <tobasco> everything except nova-compute actually, doing them one at a time
[10:52] <tobasco> that's the issue? if so i can start pushing it out to all of them directly
[10:54] <jamespage> tobasco, I suspect some sort of break on the RPC compat looking at the stacktrace but I might be wrong
[10:54] <jamespage> zul, hey can we make sure that for ocata package updates we're using 0ubuntu1 's please
[10:55] <jamespage> I've seen  a few 1ubuntu1's
[10:56] <jamespage> for ubuntu first uploads that is
[11:01] <tobasco> jamespage: confirmed only happening on the compute not running the latest nova packages
[11:01] <jamespage> tobasco, ok please comment on the bug to that effect
[11:02] <jamespage> tobasco, the versioned-objects layer should make some guarantees about mixed version running esp within a liberty sru
[11:02] <jamespage> but
[11:02] <jamespage> it has been know to break before..
[11:02] <jamespage> lets get an upstream nova bug task raised as well
[11:02] <jamespage> tobasco, can you detail from->to versions as well please
[11:02] <tobasco> jamespage: i tagged upstream project in bug
[11:02] <jamespage> tobasco, \o/
[11:02] <jamespage> tobasco, so you did - my bad
[11:04] <tobasco> jamespage: Upgrade: nova-compute-libvirt:amd64 (12.0.4-0ubuntu1~cloud1, 12.0.5-0ubuntu1~cloud0)
[11:04] <tobasco> commenting on bug
[11:04] <jamespage> tobasco, gosh and just a minor point upgrade as well
[11:05] <tobasco> jamespage: yea, we try to keep inline with the releases of new packages, usually we are some more people but i had to handle the stuff myself so some compute nodes were left for this morning
[11:06] <jamespage> tobasco, well at least there is a workaround to get you moving again
[11:06] <tobasco> good it got resolved though, thanks a lot, need to verify our workflow on upgrades now, we didn't test the ability to run older compute vs newer controller packages
[11:10] <jamespage> tobasco, ftr we always do a complete upgrade prior to re-commissioing the cloud during SRU verification
[11:10] <jamespage> so we'd not normally pickup a mixed mode issue like this
[11:15] <tobasco> jamespage: this is interesting thought, our product team is still seeing issues, this might actually be a faulty API request to nova causing the issue
[11:16] <tobasco> and perhaps nothing to do with nova, must look further into this...
[11:16] <jamespage> tobasco, ok here for another 7 hrs
[11:16] <jamespage> light on US folks around today due to thanksgiving this week
[11:43] <hhee> guys, ubuntu server 16 lts contains php 7.0.8 in default repo, currtnct version 7.0.13. which way i need to use to use latest version?
[11:47] <tobasco> jamespage: false alarm, was apparently something wrong on our side
[11:47] <tobasco> jamespage: atleast i got our compute nodes upgrades, sorry for the hassle :(
[12:17] <SipriusPT> hello guys
[12:18] <SipriusPT> I am not able to connect to ports with TLS/SSL like 587 and 993 who are open (i have test with telnet)
[12:19] <SipriusPT> I am only able to use ports 25 and 143
[12:19] <SipriusPT> when i try to send mail with 587, i am always receiving this error
[12:19] <SipriusPT> 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first
[12:20] <SipriusPT> and i have already mess with smtpd_tls_security to encrypt and may from master.cf
[12:20] <SipriusPT> also i didnt have submission commented
[12:20] <SipriusPT> those was the solutions that i have found
[12:20] <SipriusPT> but didnt work
[12:20] <SipriusPT> anyone knows what can be?
[12:36] <zul> jamespage: yeah that was me not use to the tooling that we use, its been corrected on newer versions
[13:17] <binia> SipriusPT, not sure, what php version, i remember having problems with php5.6
[13:27] <linuxperia> Hi all. I have a huge problem with MariaDB MySQL Server. Today i tryed to get multi mysql instances running on my ubuntu server with one galera instance that listen to <IP_ADDRESS> and a the existing one mysql instance listening like always to localhost inspired by this howto here => https://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2012/08/06/multi-mysql-instances-with-galera/
[13:27] <linuxperia> After the starting of mysql using the changed configuration all my databases and user acess information has gone lost in the existing /var/lib/mysql directory where all the existing data was stored!
[13:27] <linuxperia> How can i recover my existing mysql server data back! I see there some innodb data files and innodb log files that hopefully can be used. please help! thanks for any helpfull tips and tricks!
[13:55] <zul> coreycb: btw keystone needs to be python-distutils in order to get the migrate.cfg stuff to work properly now
[14:01] <coreycb> zul, export PYBUILD_SYSTEM=distutils  ?
[14:02] <zul> coreycb: dh $@ --buildsystem=python_distutils --with python2,sphinxdoc,systemd
[14:02] <coreycb> zul, ok
[14:02] <coreycb> zul, did that fix it up?
[14:02] <zul> coreycb: going to run it locally and rebuild the ci version and re-deploy
[14:02] <coreycb> zul, ok
[14:02] <zul> coreycb: no keystone...no worky ;)
[14:02] <coreycb> zul, ya
[14:18] <zul> coreycb: shit that didnt do it either
[14:19] <coreycb> zul, did you talk to anyone upstream about it?
[14:20] <zul> coreycb: yeah they thought it was fine
[14:21] <coreycb> zul, are the missing files in the release tarball?
[14:21] <zul> coreycb: nope they are there
[14:21] <coreycb> zul, no they're not?
[14:21] <zul> coreycb: the migrate.cfg are in the tarball
[14:27] <coreycb> zul, maybe jamespage knows a better way.  we could manually  install the files in d/rules but there should be a better way.
[14:28] <zul> coreycb: yeah im trying to figure out the better way
[14:28] <zul> coreycb: im not giving up yet
[14:28] <hhee> guys, how can i install latest php in ubuntu server? by default there is 7.0.8
[14:29] <hhee> ubuntu server 16.04 lts
[14:33] <SipriusPT> binia: i am using PHP Version 5.6.25
[14:34] <binia> yeah, i gave up :D
[14:34] <SipriusPT> did you solve it?
[14:34] <binia> nope, whatever i did, it fucking didnt work, went to 5.5 worked no probs
[14:35] <SipriusPT> i see
[14:35] <SipriusPT> thanks binia
[14:35] <binia> no probs
[15:05] <relativemedia> morning folks
[15:05] <cpaelzer> where are those morning folks?
[15:05] <cpaelzer> hi relativemedia
[15:05] <relativemedia> im on 16.04.01 x64 and the following packages need to be upgraded ... linux-headers-generic linux-headers-virtual linux-image-virtual linux-virtual open-iscsi
[15:06] <relativemedia> last time i did dist-upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04.01 i had to nuke the vm and rebuild
[15:06] <relativemedia> shouldn't have any issues this time right ?
[15:06] <relativemedia> since its a minor upgrade
[15:08] <cpaelzer> relativemedia: that is only kernel updates and some ipv6 fixups in open-iscsi
[15:08] <cpaelzer> relativemedia: seems fairly safe if that is your only upgrade list
[15:08] <relativemedia> yeah thats wthat i figured
[15:09] <cpaelzer> relativemedia: but then in general since you are on a VM depending on the risk you are taking maybe snapshots are good?
[15:09] <relativemedia> takign one now :)
[15:09] <cpaelzer> relativemedia: well then you are safe++
[15:10] <relativemedia> yes indeedy
[15:10] <cpaelzer> As always, the devil is in the details ...
[15:10] <relativemedia> yeah
[15:10] <relativemedia> do snapshots take forever though :(
[15:20] <relativemedia> cpaelzer, all good successful upgrade :) sweet
[15:23] <zul> coreycb: yeah manifest.in,,,stupid pbr....grumble grumble
[15:23] <coreycb> zul, ?
[15:24] <zul> coreycb:  pbr generates its own manifest with "sensible" defaults with the AUTHOR and changelog automatically
[15:24] <coreycb> zul, gotcha.  so this is a pbr bug?
[15:24] <zul> coreycb: dh_python expects a manifest to be there,
[15:25] <zul> coreycb: yeah
[15:25] <coreycb> zul, ok so i'd say open a bug against pbr/keystone and we can install those files manually for now with a comment linked to the bug in d/rules.  what do you think?
[15:26] <zul> coreycb: i have a patch that re-adds the manfiest
[15:27] <coreycb> zul, that's probably better.  can you add a link to the bug to that patch?
[15:27] <zul> coreycb: ill open a bug and add it to the link
[15:27] <coreycb> zul, thanks
[15:36] <zul> coreycb: i *think* antoher option would be patch our version of pbr
[15:37] <zul> coreycb: lemme try something
[15:37] <zul> coreycb: im just worried that other things like nova is affected the same way
[15:38] <coreycb> zul, did any other projects drop their MANIFEST?
[15:38] <coreycb> zul, if you patch pbr get the patch upstream too
[15:39] <zul> coreycb: they all dropped the MANIFEST
[15:39] <relativemedia> anyone here play with kubernetes
[15:40] <coreycb> zul, well not all of them did, but yeah a fix to pbr would be good because they might
[15:41] <zul> coreycb: relevant bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1608980
[15:50] <relativemedia> so i have a q, can i install kubernetes on an ubuntu 16.04 server and havew it control coreos clusters?
[16:03] <coreycb> jamespage, beisner, hi can you promote libvirt - 1.2.12-0ubuntu14.4~cloud2 from kilo-staging -> kilo-proposed please?
[16:12] <Slashman> hello, I have an issue with zfs on ubuntu 16.04 kernel 4.4.0-47 and latest zfs: http://apaste.info/Iqogj result: any zfs dataset are unusable, any read/write operation takes forever...
[16:13] <Slashman> I'm looking for bug report about this, didn't find one, any idea?
[16:14] <Slashman> other log: http://apaste.info/DCX0E
[16:23] <zul> coreycb: yaaay http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23522795/
[16:29] <coreycb> zul, \o/  pbr patch?
[16:30] <zul> coreycb: yeah i just uploaded it to the archive..next is to rebuild in the CI
[16:30] <zul> coreycb: then deploy again
[16:30] <zul> coreycb: then rebuild packages and upload
[16:31] <stgraber> Slashman: #ubuntu-kernel may be more likely to help you
[16:33] <jonah> Does any body here use APC smart-ups with a generator? My generator is only 2200 watts. But my ups is 2700watt max output. Yet my load is under 2000w. I spoke to APC and they said it's best not to risk testing my generator with my UPS as generators should be 3-5 times higher rated in VA/watts than the load. So I'm not sure if my setup will work and worred to test it as they've said not to!!
[16:37] <rbasak> jonah: when your generator comes online, it will need to supply both your 2 kW load as well as your recharging UPS. Depending on how fast your UPS recharges, it sounds like it will be overloaded.
[16:37] <rbasak> Presumably that's why APC have that guideline?
[16:39] <rbasak> I don't have experience of running a UPS with a generator, but I do have experience of a UPS-only scenario where the main circuit is only rated slightly higher than the load.
[16:40] <rbasak> It constantly tripped after a power failure because the UPS added to the load. We had to drop the load down until it charged every power outage. Manually, before the UPS ran out.
[16:40] <jonah> rbasak: so it may work if the load is reduced enough to enable recharging?
[16:40] <rbasak> That would mitigate my particular point, but I don't have enough experience to be tell to tell you that there won't be some other problem.
[16:41] <beisner> coreycb, libvirt 1.2.12-0ubuntu14.4~cloud2 promoted to kilo-proposed re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1640676
[16:41] <rbasak> Power factor, for example - you stated your load in kW, not VA.
[16:41] <coreycb> beisner, thanks
[16:42] <beisner> yw coreycb
[16:52] <zul> coreycb: im killing the pending ci jobs since those are going to be invalid if the manifest is not there
[16:52] <coreycb> zul, ok
[16:53] <zul> coreycb: might as well fix CI issues as well :)
[18:03] <Someone_Else> I can't browse a mounter NFS share. First, ls listst 0 files, second try: "no such file or directory". df shows the mounted volume at first, however, changes to "stale file handle". ls list the directory permissions as "d?????????", NFS shares on other hosts work fine (using the same server)
[18:03] <Someone_Else> Using Xenial
[18:11] <relativemedia> hey all im on 16.04.01 and i notice when i run apt-get update i get a lot of things like The repository 'https://packages.gitlab.com/gitlab/gitlab-ce/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[18:12] <tarpman> relativemedia: pastebin your sources.list (and any sources.list.d fragments) and the output of apt-get update
[18:12] <relativemedia> sources.list(.d) is managed by puppet so .list is empty
[18:12] <relativemedia> ill pastbind .d
[18:14] <relativemedia> https://gist.github.com/mikedevita/7f72580b1075dccc1f66bacfc4863746
[18:14] <relativemedia> weverything is a local mirror except gitlab]
[18:16] <tarpman> https://packages.gitlab.com/gitlab/gitlab-ce/ubuntu/ is returning 404 for me.
[18:16] <relativemedia> same just noticed that
[18:16] <relativemedia> hah
[18:17] <tarpman> oh, they have some weird setup
[18:17] <tarpman> directory listings don't work. fine
[18:17] <relativemedia> yeah
[18:21] <tarpman> relativemedia: can you do 'apt-get -o Debug::Acquire::http=1 -o Debug::Acquire::https=1 update' and pastebin that?
[18:21] <tarpman> at a glance, https://packages.gitlab.com/gitlab/gitlab-ce/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release and related files look ok
[18:22] <relativemedia> it might be because of ssl :\
[18:22] <relativemedia> iev got a sneaky suspicion
[18:25] <Someone_Else> relativemedia: Is apt-transport-https installed?
[18:25] <relativemedia> yes it is
[18:26] <relativemedia> but ihave issues clone git repos on other urls
[18:26] <relativemedia> and curl fails on their gitlab url
[18:28] <Someone_Else> The issue seems to be GitLab related
[18:29] <Someone_Else> Can you comment the lines out in the GItLab apt-file and run gitlab-ctl reconfigure?
[20:37] <Fieldy> hello, is anyone else having problems installing things? for over an hour now i've been having this happen, with the various us.archive.ubuntu.com servers: 0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[20:37] <Fieldy> just never gets anywhere
[20:37] <Fieldy> each time is a different ip naturally in the IP rotation
[20:39] <sarnold> Fieldy: hrm, both IPv4 addresses I get back appear to work fine
[20:40] <sarnold> funny enough I don't get <IP_ADDRESS> as one ofmy choices -- I get <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:03] <relativemedia> hey all something funky with my ca certs... fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/creationix/nvm.git/': Problem with the SSL CA cert (path? access rights?)
[21:03] <relativemedia> i ran update-ca-certificates and it looks ok
[21:04] <tarpman> relativemedia: need more details. try openssl s_client -connect github.com:443 -showcerts
[21:04] <relativemedia> i did that, came back rc0 ok
[21:05] <relativemedia> is there a way to reconfigure ca-certificates completely, like nuke /etc/ssl or whatever and redo it
[21:08] <tarpman> relativemedia: export GIT_CURL_VERBOSE=1 and try your clone again
[21:09] <relativemedia> * error reading ca cert file /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt (ASN1 parser: Error in TAG.)
[21:09] <relativemedia> lol wtf
[21:09] <tarpman> this sounds vaguely familiar. didn't you have a broken/invalid certificate somewhere in that directory before?
[21:10] <relativemedia> a awhile back
[21:10] <relativemedia> deleted it though
[21:11] <relativemedia> is there a way to nuke /etc/ssl/certs and regenerate it completely?
[21:11] <tarpman> anything in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates?
[21:11] <tarpman> probably not without reinstalling the entire system
[21:11] <tarpman> doubt you'll be able to purge the ca-certificates package without wiping out most of your system
[21:11] <relativemedia> yup stuff in there
[21:11] <relativemedia> ill duke it
[21:12] <relativemedia> yeah i was about to purge that but noticed it'd remove a bunch
[21:12] <tarpman> the update-ca-certificates manpage says anything in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates will be included in ca-certificates.crt
[21:12] <relativemedia> BINO
[21:12] <relativemedia> BINGO* fixed it
[21:12] <relativemedia> rm /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/*
[21:12] <relativemedia> stupid bugger
[21:12] <relativemedia> tarpman, it'd help to read the manpage right :P
[21:14] <sarnold> fwiw apt-get install --reinstall may let you get the 'overwrite this package' kind of results
[21:14] <relativemedia> thanks sarnold
[21:14] <sarnold> it wouldn't have helped in this case since it should avoid /usr/local ;) but still
[21:14] <relativemedia> i assume its a bad idea to move root's homedir to an nfs mount?
[21:16] <ihubuntu>  hello i try make auto installer ubuntu 16.10 but i can't skip select locale keymap and country http://pastebin.com/VkFEQnUW
[21:19] <sarnold> ihubuntu: do you get any warnings or errors in any log files, or other conolses?
[21:21] <ihubuntu> where get log in /var/log is empty
[21:23] <sarnold> do dmesg or journalctl work?
[21:23] <genii> If /var/log is empty, you probably have larger problems
[21:23] <sarnold> isntall environment is weird
[21:23] <sarnold> I don't know how it works :)
[21:23] <genii> Oh, installer. Look at out put from console 4 then
[21:27] <ihubuntu> a lot of error
[21:27] <ihubuntu> but i can't scroll log
[21:28] <sarnold> shift pageup perhaps?
[21:31] <ihubuntu> no shift pageup isn't working
[21:33] <tarpman> sarnold: the reason I didn't suggest that is it wouldn't (AFAIK) overwrite modified conffiles, or indeed delete locally-added ones...
[21:34] <tarpman> and yes I'm aware of the various --force-things
[21:34] <tarpman> maybe rm -rf /etc/ssl and dpkg --force-confnew would do it, but I wasn't about to recommend that wihtout testing locally first :D
[21:35] <sarnold> :)
[21:50] <ihubuntu> wah pressed options very different in documention
[21:57] <macskay_> Hey guys, I got disconnected earlier this morning but still got a question. I have a running LDAP on my system which works fine and multiple users that can successfully access the services which are connected to LDAP. I also got a "Change PW" PHP Script, which works as well. So the LDAP pw is updated successfully.
[21:58] <macskay_> The users are also allowed to use UNIX, but the PW does not change for unix, meaning they can't login to the server via SSH with the new password. Why is that?
[21:58] <sypher> macskay_: I *think* that passwords are cached for a certain period of time. At least, I've seen that in some configurations, but that may have been the function of third-party systems rather than native LDAP tools.
[22:54] <coreycb> zul, i pushed updates to horizon, it installs ok with the changes but needs work to get the static assets working


[09:37] <Wohlstand> Hi there!
[19:17] <jelmer> Hi Wohlstand
[19:17] <Wohlstand> Hi, I saw that Baazar doesn't has updates since 2017, is really project abandoned?
[19:18] <Wohlstand> I didn't used it before, I had to review some, but suddenly I found it's not actually updated after 2017
[19:18] <Wohlstand> (the last release in 2016)
[19:18] <LeoNerd> Breezy is the new way forward
[19:18] <Wohlstand> I left the question here https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/696277 but it still not replied
[19:19] <Wohlstand> LeoNerd: I saw some that it's a fork of Baazar
[19:19] <LeoNerd> Somewhat
[19:20] <Wohlstand> Whoops... I accidentally closed my Thunderbird, back here
[19:21] <Wohlstand> Anyway, I looked for some confirmation as I want to note some at the Russian Wikipedia article about the original Baazar the fact it got abandoned or something like
[19:35] <Wohlstand> Okay, I had to checked twice, really, in 2017 the developers of Bazaar desired to majorly refactor the project and they had to make it in a form of a fork rather the next version of the same
[19:39] <jelmer> Wohlstand: do you mean Breezy?
[19:40] <Wohlstand> Yeah, the same creator of Bazaar made it's fork as Breezy with a goal to majorly rework it without hurting the old base and with other goals
[19:41] <jelmer> Wohlstand: and without the original corporate sponsor, which ran Bazaar
[19:41] <Wohlstand> jelmer: You mean Canonical?
[19:41] <jelmer> Yeah
[19:41] <Wohlstand> So, yeah, developer desired to become an independent developer rather be under the sponsorship of Cannonical
[19:41] <Wohlstand> Correct?
[19:43] <Wohlstand> Something like on how the MariaDB was born, or NextCloud (the original creator of OwnCloud has gone off the company and founded the NextCloud instead)
[19:51] <Wohlstand> btw wait, Jelmer, you are co-developer, my mistake, I had should write "you" rather "developer" in the messages above, sorry, simply didn't guessed you until I re-checked the announce letter
[20:18] <jelmer> Wohlstand: it wasn't the sponsorship, it was mostly that there wasn't anybody in Canonical engaged with the Bazaar project, there was no active community and a cumbersome CLA - it was much easier to just fork and make the changes we wanted since we didn't lose much by forking
[20:20] <Wohlstand> Yeah, I see, I may guess that got happen since all Canonical projects got migrated into git, right?
[20:20] <jelmer> yeah, almost all I think
[20:21] <jelmer> well, one of the things about breezy is that it ships git support so that might not necessarily be a blocker :)
[20:21] <Wohlstand> Recently I saw the fact Bitbucket got removed the Mercurial thing away, I had to use it before to host Mercurial repos (some copies from my job where it was used, and SDL' contribution sandboxes)
[20:21] <Wohlstand> I see
[20:22] <Wohlstand> btw, my friend had blamed git for unfriendly command line and other things, however, once I asked him which CSV is most stable, he got suddenly agree that git is
[20:23] <Wohlstand> Also, SDL team had to suddenly migrated their projects into GitHub from their own-hosted Mercurial and Bitbucket server
[20:24] <Wohlstand> nope, bugzilla ***
[20:24] <Wohlstand> not bitbucket


[11:57] <hyperair> does anyone know where i can find indicate-sharp-0.1.pc?
[12:01] <meebey> I found it in libindicate0.1-cil-dev IIRC
[14:51] <meebey> kenvandine: could you reach a compromise yet?
[14:51] <meebey> kenvandine: wrt to twitter and api key
[14:52] <kenvandine> not yet... they aren't terribly responsive
[14:54] <klattimer> kenvandine: ironic, given they're supposed to be about small, fast messaging :)
[14:54] <kenvandine> klattimer, hehe
[15:02] <JanCBorchardt> iainfarrell, ping
[15:03] <iainfarrell> hello JanCBorchardt
[15:04] <JanCBorchardt> Hey Iain. So performance issues are really the problem with Pongo. I built a workaround by adding the option to record the screen capture in lower resoltuion
[15:05] <JanCBorchardt> the normal command is 'python pongo.py'. when you want to lower the resolution, you can just put it as a parameter like 'python pongo.py 640'
[15:05] <JanCBorchardt> that would record at 640 pixels width and proportional height. Let me know if that helps.
[15:07] <JanCBorchardt> iainfarrell, do the performance problems come when running the script or is the video laggy?
[15:08] <iainfarrell> the video is laggy
[15:08] <iainfarrell> so computer performs fine while it's recording
[15:08] <iainfarrell> I've tried playing video in totem and VLC
[15:08] <iainfarrell> same problem
[15:08] <iainfarrell> webcam and screen actions are very laggy
[15:09] <iainfarrell> is this something you've seen JanCBorchardt?
[15:10] <JanCBorchardt> iainfarrell: yes, quite a few people have reported it. Normally when I use VLC to play the video, it works fairly well
[15:11] <JanCBorchardt> even when I record running from live USB
[15:11] <JanCBorchardt> can you test running it with the extra lower resolution parameter to see if that is better?
[15:12] <iainfarrell> JanCBorchardt: will do
[15:30] <iainfarrell> JanCBorchardt: It's working much better now I think - am capturing now! :)
[15:37] <iainfarrell> JanCBorchardt: That's much better
[15:38] <iainfarrell> I just set the resolution lower
[15:39] <Cimi> iainfarrell: otto is away today?
[15:43] <iainfarrell> cimi yes but back tomorrow
[15:47] <Cimi> ok cool
[15:48] <JanCBorchardt> iainfarrell, cool :)
[15:49] <JanCBorchardt> Pongo needs to be made installable anyway, maybe that’ll increase performance as well
[15:49] <iainfarrell> JanCBorchardt: well it'll do for now and we'll get it set up on a laptop for the testing
[15:49] <iainfarrell> I'm running it on my machine
[15:49] <iainfarrell> thanks again
[15:49] <JanCBorchardt> iainfarrell, the resolution parameter really is more a hack. I have yet to find where to tweak. ;)
[15:50] <JanCBorchardt> no problem, I’m glad it’s working for you
[15:55] <Cimi> iainfarrell: I have many ideas for gwibber
[15:55] <Cimi> iainfarrell: maverick +1?
[15:56] <iainfarrell> Cimi: Cool
[15:58] <Cimi> iainfarrell: gwibber is embedding a webkit frame inside, webkit supports a lot of css3 animations, but gwibber is using neither of them. I had occasion to learn some css3 transitions and effects this weekend as I've redesigned my homepage (www.cimitan.com, you might want to play hovering the mouse on the colores boxes or text using google chrome or other webkit-based browsers)
[15:59] <Cimi> so I have the feeling we give to the gwibber experience a steap ahead
[15:59] <iainfarrell> Cimi: that's brilliant
[15:59] <iainfarrell> who can we get on board to help?
[15:59] <Cimi> I can manage the whole work alone
[16:00] <Cimi> I'm not new on html and css3
[16:00] <iainfarrell> brilliant!
[16:01] <Cimi> ok so I can afford on this too if I'll continue to work with you, the to-do list is becoming longer and longer :))
[16:01] <iainfarrell> :D
[16:01] <iainfarrell> ok
[16:01] <iainfarrell> well let me know if you want some help with this in the next cycle
[16:03] <Cimi> iainfarrell: I might need someone to stop my brain to producing mockups for everything
[16:03] <Cimi> I am becoming quite excited and that means I would like to redo everything :)
[16:03] <Cimi> I need someone to calm me ;)
[16:04]  * Cimi doesn't know that "to producing" is not english, shame on me
[16:05] <iainfarrell> Cimi: Well I can help there
[16:05] <Cimi> ahah ok ;)


[01:07] <MiJyn> is it possible to add a screen to ubiquity? (such as adding a "license-agreement" screen or something)
[01:15] <stgraber> yes
[01:28] <MiJyn> stgraber, are there any tutorials? Where in the source code should I edit? etc...
[01:41] <stgraber> MiJyn: lp:ubiquity contains the ubiquity code, there's no tutorial that I'm aware of. You want to write a new plugin and dump it in the plugins directory, then run the installer.
[01:43] <MiJyn> ok
[01:43] <MiJyn> any easy way to test (sorry for me always asking questions)
[01:43] <MiJyn> apart from making a new CD
[01:44] <stgraber> you can simply boot a CD into the live session, then from there dump your plugin into /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins, then start the installer
[01:45] <MiJyn> ok
[01:49] <MiJyn> thanks!
[02:09] <jbicha> TheMuso: I think I figured out what wasn't working in casper, thanks for helping :)
[09:51] <CIA-11> ubiquity: dmitrij.ledkov * r5630 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[09:51] <CIA-11> ubiquity: Allow going from the encryption key setup page, to the disk space
[09:51] <CIA-11> ubiquity: allocation page. (LP: #1046323)
[10:10] <CIA-11> ubiquity: dmitrij.ledkov * r5631 trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
[10:10] <CIA-11> ubiquity: * Correctly apply styles to the title & progress sections and not the
[10:10] <CIA-11> ubiquity:  centre piece. This means themes are no longer required to provide non
[10:10] <CIA-11> ubiquity:  standard @dark_[fb]g_color colors, instead 'menubar' Gtk CSS style is
[10:10] <CIA-11> ubiquity:  used. This also fixes long standing a11y issues in HighContrast themes
[10:10] <CIA-11> ubiquity:  & requirements for non-standard color definitions. (LP: #744283)
[10:10] <CIA-11> ubiquity: * Make lables in the segmented bar use the same colours as normal labels.
[11:15] <cjwatson> xnox: I followed up to your question in bug 719338
[11:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 719338 in ubiquity "[Xubuntu, Studio?, Lubuntu?] Disable automount" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719338
[11:19] <xnox> cjwatson: ok.
[11:37] <xnox> cjwatson: follow up to the above. There are icons shown on the gtk buttons & ubuntu font is not used. Should we try to set that manually in ubiquity-only as well?
[11:37] <xnox> cjwatson: it is key look / branding points
[11:44] <cjwatson> I don't feel I know enough about that
[11:45] <cjwatson> Just consider what happens with flavours if you make such a change
[11:52] <xnox> cjwatson: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jsf4RKjSfg6IKFMoShVwtlh0btKKriD5FR8jiayHfxc?feat=directlink
[11:52] <xnox> cjwatson: notice that 2 out 3 buttons have icons (stock vs non-stock buttons)
[11:53] <xnox> cjwatson: notice the ugly font..... (note that I love LaTeX and pay a lot of attention to fonts.....)
[12:01] <cjwatson> I'm happy to trust your judgement on this, because trusting me with anything visual is a bad idea :-)
[12:02] <xnox> cjwatson: I am sure you can tell apart shade of your favourite ale though =)
[12:26] <cjwatson> Incentive is everything
[16:13] <CIA-11> ubiquity: dmitrij.ledkov * r5632 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[16:13] <CIA-11> ubiquity: Changing the "Add/Remove/Change Partiontion" buttons to mixed
[16:13] <CIA-11> ubiquity: symbolic/text buttons should make the screen comply with Ubiquity
[16:13] <CIA-11> ubiquity: Design spec ( http://goo.gl/Kokw5 ) and address confusion about the
[16:13] <CIA-11> ubiquity: updated screen. (LP: #1045799)
[17:13] <CIA-11> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5633 trunk/ (bin/oem-config-remove-gtk debian/changelog debian/control):
[17:13] <CIA-11> ubiquity: Port oem-config-remove-gtk to Python 3, now that
[17:13] <CIA-11> ubiquity: python3-aptdaemon.gtk3widgets exists; the final piece!
[17:39] <CIA-11> ubiquity: dmitrij.ledkov * r5634 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py): Fix the disappearance of crypto password field (LP: #1045716)
[17:58] <CIA-11> ubiquity: dmitrij.ledkov * r5635 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py): Fix misallignment of crypto password fields (LP: #1045712)
[20:19] <CIA-11> ubiquity: dmitrij.ledkov * r5636 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py): Make setup security key page go back to ask page (LP: #1045698)


[02:19] <dax> @comment 74256 repeated rmrf trolling, forwarding to -ops with wide range, 1d
[02:19] <MITman> hey friends
[02:19]  * dax munches popcorn
[02:20]  * dax munches more popcorn
[02:21] <dax> You get the point yet, or are you gonna do that a few more times?
[02:21] <MIT_manman> what
[02:21] <MIT_manman> what do you mean
[02:21] <dax> Your trolling in #ubuntu isn't funny.  Daddy cums💦 so much he can't cum any more🙈🙉🙊! Ghost cummy👻💦 Ghost cummy👻💦 don't be scared❌😖❌! There's always more cummies💦👅 that can be shared👬!


[01:31] <cmaloney> New Club Metal being released.
[02:33] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/2015/07/13/open-metalcast-special-episode-club-metal-15/
[12:20] <rick_h_> morning and all that
[12:26] <wolfger> morning
[12:26] <wolfger> and some of that
[13:44] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:44] <cmaloney> MUG tonight. :)
[13:47] <rick_h_> party on
[13:59] <cmaloney> I think I hear some overwhelm in rick_h_'s keystrokes.
[15:31] <jrwren> i got a letter from comcast. it says my speed increased from 50Mbps to 75Mbps. It tells me to power cycle the modem to get the udpate. I think its actually an update that lets FBI spy on me.
[15:33] <rick_h_> jrwren: but...you get 25mbs in exchange for the spying
[15:34] <cmaloney> So win-win. ;)
[15:34] <cmaloney> Yeah, WOWWay upped us to 50mbps
[15:34] <cscheib> I got teh upgrade too, jrwren
[15:34] <cmaloney> Well, 60ish
[15:34] <cmaloney> and 5 up
[15:35] <cscheib> they're trying to bring up the average in certain markets most likely
[15:36] <cscheib> so they can deflect when the FCC tells them that US broadband speeds are a joke
[15:36] <cmaloney> Well, they are. :)
[15:38] <jrwren> i'm pretty happy with my speed.
[15:38] <jrwren> i thought maybe they did it because ATT is rolling out FIOS in the area.
[15:38] <cmaloney> Possibly
[15:38] <cmaloney> But the biggest problem with FIOS is ATT
[15:39] <greg-g> oh, it's just a big game and they aren't giving you what they could before until some other competitor forces them? weird.
[15:39] <cmaloney> Capitalism at work. ;)
[15:39] <cmaloney> It's the FREEEE MARRRRKETTTT
[15:39] <jrwren> greg-g: um, yup.
[15:39] <greg-g> the inefficiencies of capitalism, that is :)
[15:40] <cscheib> no FIOS here
[15:40] <jrwren> cmaloney: hahahaha, did you see the poorly drawn commic of the guy biking on no road who gets hurt and says save me ron paul?
[15:40] <cscheib> so don't think that's the driver
[15:40] <greg-g> I can't wait until Sonic.net rolls out FTTH in Petaluma
[15:41] <cmaloney> jrwren: I missed that.
[15:41] <cscheib> since the failed merger and the reclassification of interweb services, they've all just been under increased scrutiny
[15:41] <greg-g> (good)
[15:41] <greg-g> I'm a fan of scrutiny :)
[15:41] <cscheib> didn't say it was a bad thing
[15:41] <greg-g> I know :)
[15:42] <cscheib> but they're certainly not just trying to be good guys
[15:42] <greg-g> I'm just giving my own commentary ;)
[15:42] <greg-g> totally
[15:43] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm a fan of referees in most games


[03:54] <desertc> *waves*
[03:56] <desertc> Perhaps this is a better question for the forums... If I wanted to take advantage of the new open source drivers being produced these days by Intel and AMD, then what would be the best (fastest or best performing) card to do so?
[03:56] <desertc> I realize that the Intel drivers only support their on-board chipsets, but I am thinking about buying a new computer anyway, so it could be an option.
[03:57] <bryce> presently the 945 is the best supported intel chipset
[03:58] <bryce> the 965 is newer and promises better features but presently it's still got some kinks to work out in the driver
[03:58] <desertc> yeah, I was eyeing the 965GM chips.  You think in 6 months the drivers will improve?
[03:59] <bryce> most of the issues relate to compiz, so if you don't care about that, the 965 is quite serviceable
[03:59] <bryce> yes
[03:59] <desertc> Also, I had heard that the AMD (ATI) open source drivers were now featuring 3D components.  Any truth to it?
[04:00] <desertc> Do you use the Intel graphics yourself?  I was wondering if they supported DVI connectors on the mainboard.  I can't seem to find that information anywhere.
[04:00] <bryce> not exactly; there are actually two different open source drivers for ATI cards
[04:00] <bryce> the first, -ati, is quite stable and I use it myself on my main desktop, however it's 2D only
[04:01] <bryce> the other, -radeonhd, promises 3D functionality but is quite new and not mature enough for widespread use (we've not even put it in main or done much testing for integration in ubuntu)
[04:02] <desertc> I am really excited about the new open source drivers being made available.  I am more than willing to give up speed to have the best Linux support possible.  But, all that said, I'd like to get the fastest ones I can get, too.
[04:03] <desertc> It's really wonderful - just five years ago it seemed like there was never going to be any good cards with open kernel drivers, and now there is even a selection to which to choose.
[04:03] <bryce> it depends a lot on your usage pattern
[04:04] <bryce> if are into gaming heavily and want the best performance there, your choice will be different than if you want the be able to try out newish X technologies when they come out, but are less driven by 3D performance
[04:04] <desertc> Do you know of a place that collects metrics on the open source driver performance?  I'd like to see a list of :  "Here's all the cards and chips with open drivers.  Here's the glxgears numbers for the cards, cross referenced by driver versions."
[04:05] <bryce> also it depends on where you are on the scale of open vs. closed drivers.  If you absolutely don't want to touch closed source, then intel is going to be a stronger choice, whereas if you're more allowing of using closed source sometimes or all the time, the option to boot into fglrx might be valuable
[04:06] <desertc> I would like this information not just for myself, but for all the people who say that for any kind of decent performance you still need to get a proprietary card.
[04:06] <bryce> I'd look to phoronix.com
[04:07] <bryce> oh, and fwiw, glxgears is not really a good benchmarking tool.  It's useful for troubleshooting performance regressions or to verify glx is working, but that's really about it
[04:07] <desertc> I've been browsing phoronix today, but they don't have the focus on the open source drivers that I am seeking.  They do have some data on the open source drivers, just as a point of reference, but not the hard data comparing all open source solutions.
[04:07] <bryce> desertc: maybe you should put a page together.  :-)
[04:08] <desertc> If only I had the computer lab to run benchmarks... :)
[04:08] <bryce> I think phoronix does ample testing of different cards and drivers, but I don't think they've gathered the data all into one easily digested page
[04:08] <desertc> I posed this question to the guy who runs phoronix last year, but he did not seem all that interested.
[04:09] <bryce> I'd be interested in knowing of a page like that to refer people to
[04:09] <desertc> You don't know anything about DVI connectors on the Intel chips, do you?
[04:10] <bryce> a bit.  they should work fine afaik
[04:10] <desertc> Well, I personally am sick of seeing people saying that the open source graphic solutions are available, that they are not worth buying because they are all slow.  That's a real slap in the face to the companies that brought these solutions available, for Linux people to just dismiss them.
[04:12] <desertc> If we had all the same people who were all begging and signing petitions for ATI and NVIDIA to open their drivers actually buying these solutions, then we would have a lot more eyeballs on the quality and performance of these open solutions.
[04:13] <desertc> Instead, they seem to dismiss these open solutions and cling even tighter to their proprietary solution.  Makes me sad.  Makes baby Tux cry.
[04:13] <bryce> well, the best way to help is spending time learning the driver internals and then sending patches.  ;-)
[04:14] <desertc> I think I will post something on the Ubuntu Forums.  Maybe we can collect some numbers there from people who are already using the graphics cards.
[04:14] <desertc> What kind of benchmark would you recommend that is maybe already available on Ubuntu or easily accessible to most Ubuntu users?
[04:15] <desertc> Is there a better one than glxgears?
[04:15] <bryce> well unfortunately I don't know of a good open source benchmark...  that might actually be a good research starting point
[04:15] <bryce> mining through the xorg-devel@ mailing list at freedesktop might turn up something
[04:16] <bryce> or get doom or some other relevant workload that provides fps numbers, and measure that
[04:16] <desertc> Thanks for your advice, bryce!
[04:16] <bryce> sure, let me know if you dig up interesting data!
[04:22] <desertc> I was leaving glxgears running, and I was surprised what happens when GNASH starts up in Firefox.  Brings the FPS down from 5000+ FPS to 14-15 FPS.  Yikes.  They have some work to do there.
[04:23] <desertc> Anyway, is glxgears available and usable for all graphic chipsets, do you think?
[04:24] <desertc> And would it be a good indicator of 2D and / or 3D performance ?
[04:25] <bryce> glxgears is usable for all chipsets
[04:25] <desertc> thanks again!
[04:25] <bryce> I don't think it's at all a good indicator of 3d performance
[04:25] <bryce> use a game instead
[04:26] <bryce> or, even better, use glxgears, plus 2 games to give several data points per card
[04:26] <desertc> hmm - would have to find a game that is part of the ubuntu repository that is small enough for people not to be bothered by getting it
[04:26] <bryce> each card and driver is going to vary in performance a lot depending on the workload
[04:26] <desertc> not even sure what consists of "3D graphics" in games...  hmm...  isn't my screen 2D?  ;)
[04:27] <desertc> I do like your idea of using two games and glxgears, however.
[04:27] <bryce> 3d as in, games that utilize the 3d chip on the graphics card
[04:28] <desertc> Can you think up any way to determine this is happening, easily?  Any way to tell what games in Universe are "3D" ?
[04:29] <bryce> most first person shooters are...  quake, doom, tremulous, probably others
[04:29] <desertc> Hmm - I guess I can search Synaptic for "3D" .. heh heh .. that worked pretty well, actually.
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #190615 in xorg (main) "Sticking Keys" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190615
[05:28] <desertc> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=994&num=1
[05:28] <desertc> This test suite from Phoronix looks like it will be helpful.
[05:28] <desertc> Coincidently announced on Thursday.... :-}
[05:52] <bryce_> oh cool
[05:57] <desertc> Would be nice if he gave us some open source code to put into the Hardinfo benchmark package in Ubuntu
[05:58] <desertc> I will inquire with him about doing it.
[05:58] <bryce_> yeah
[05:59] <desertc> though -- I suspect he simply uses games and other pre-compiled packages... worth a shot anyway
[06:29] <desertc> Finding any benchmarks is tough!  Any games would have to be configured to a specific video settings for everyone, and this setting is dependent on the monitors.  Generally people say glxgears is CPU bound, not GPU bound, and professional benchmark programs are either closed source or just for WinXP
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #144732 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "cannot resume from suspend with nvidia-glx-new and compiz" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144732
[12:18] <ubotu> New bug: #190623 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "The restart after updates caused Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha4 to have fuzy vertical lines all over the screen." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190623
[17:25] <ubotu> New bug: #190724 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "good" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190724
[21:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190771 in xorg (main) "some keyboard layouts interferring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190771
[23:03] <ubotu> New bug: #190788 in xorg (main) "ubuntu doesn't respond to mouse in most opened applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190788


[20:58]  * xTEMPLARx looks around all shifty-eyed
[21:09]  * Unit193 pokes one of them eyes.
[21:50] <xTEMPLARx> AAIEEE
[21:50] <xTEMPLARx> (delayed reaction)


[00:43] <bkerensa> iScream: not to worry its because he probably got expired by LP and is trying to figure out how to rejoin the LP team
[00:44] <philipballew_> bkerensa, i got that to...
[00:44] <bkerensa> philipballew: probably your LP team's contact setting is set to message everyone
[00:44] <bkerensa> instead of having a set e-mail
[00:44]  * philipballew_ is a noob
[02:48] <MarkDude> Darkwing, ping
[06:06] <Darkwing> MarkDude: you still up?
[06:08] <MarkDude> usually am
[06:16] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Are you registered for UDS?
[06:17] <bkerensa> Darkwing: long time no see ;p
[06:17] <MarkDude> No
[06:17] <MarkDude> I thouhgt I was allowed to crash it
[06:17]  * MarkDude is a FOSS luminary
[06:18] <MarkDude> When it was in Belgium The infamous Bert Desmet was able to attend, just due to his legendary status
[06:22] <Darkwing> Hey bkerensa
[06:23] <Darkwing> I've turned job hunting into a full time job.
[06:23] <bkerensa> Darkwing: What will happen to Ubuntu Leadership?
[06:23] <bkerensa> :P
[06:23] <Darkwing> bkerensa: I left that after UDS-P
[06:24] <bkerensa> Darkwing: So did everyone else it seems :P
[06:24] <bkerensa> its just a idling channel now :D
[06:24] <Darkwing> It went in a totally different direction than I had dreamed.
[06:24] <bkerensa> Darkwing: Yeah?
[06:24] <Darkwing> and I got caught holding cat when everyone got upset with it.
[06:24] <Darkwing> So, I quietly bowed out.
[06:24] <bkerensa> Darkwing: Well it has been inactive for months now
[06:24] <Darkwing> but I'm still looking for work.
[06:24] <bkerensa> :)
[06:25] <Darkwing> Yeah, I gathered.
[06:25] <bkerensa> literally since after you left
[06:25] <bkerensa> :D
[06:25] <Darkwing> I kinda feel bad about that.
[06:25] <bkerensa> I might discuss it at UDS-Q and see whats going to happen with it
[06:25] <Darkwing> :) I might sit in if there isn't anything else.
[06:26] <bkerensa> I moderate the mailing list with valorie and akgraner was supposed to lead us but with her new linaro gig idk whats up
[06:26] <bkerensa> she is a busy person indeed :D
[06:26] <Darkwing> Yeah. I figured as much. Did Randall ever finish that document?
[06:26] <Darkwing> well, Randall/Vancouver Team
[06:26] <bkerensa> Darkwing: Nope nope :) I think he is too preoccupied with spreading jam on faces :P
[06:26] <Darkwing> :P:P
[06:26] <Darkwing> I'm just looking for something that pays me.
[06:26] <bkerensa> if you watch Planet you know what I mean
[06:27] <bkerensa> :D
[06:27] <bkerensa> Darkwing: no doubt
[06:27] <Darkwing> after what Canonical did to me... I was a bit burned out.
[06:27] <Darkwing> Jorge was even pissed.
[06:27] <bkerensa> Darkwing: Oh? Did you get hired on there?
[06:27] <bkerensa> Feel free to PM if you want
[06:27] <bkerensa> :P
[06:28] <Darkwing> No. 7 months of interviews I find out I didn't get it by reading it on Jonos blog.
[12:54] <pleia2> MarkDude: if you crash it you don't get a pretty printed nametag!
[12:54] <pleia2> registration isn't hard
[12:56] <pleia2> and that was a couple years ago, biertie wasn't fedora famouse yet, we just welcome everyone who is interested
[12:56] <pleia2> -e
[12:57] <pleia2> Darkwing: I didn't realize you quit the Leadership team :\
[12:58] <pleia2> someone on the CC was asking about it the other day, I just told them that it had quietly gone dormant as people got busy with work/life stuff
[12:59] <pleia2> (we were anticipating some sort of document to review this cycle)
[18:55]  * MarkDroid does plan on registering for UDS  :)
[19:14] <MarkDroid> Hello seidos
[19:14] <seidos> \o MarkDroid
[19:14] <seidos> Hello
[19:15] <MarkDroid> How's things been?
[19:17] <seidos> Good question.
[19:18] <seidos> Um, you know...this and that, tit for tat, quid pro quo science and religion.
[19:18] <seidos> been doing all right, fighting the good fight proverbially
[19:18] <MarkDroid> Ok how about... What have you been doing?
[19:18] <seidos> are you doing well?
[19:18] <seidos> trying to stay in the moment
[19:18] <iScream> fighting is bad.
[19:19] <MarkDroid> Awesomeness
[19:19] <seidos> not proverbially
[19:19] <MarkDroid> Silly Daniel
[19:19] <seidos> Wawsome
[19:19] <MarkDroid> Fighting is not always bad
[19:19] <iScream> silliness is awseome, yes
[19:20] <MarkDroid> Like ending slavery
[19:21] <MarkDroid> I have been throwing myself into art. I decided I can't put it off anymore. Im an artist :)
[19:22] <iScream> a conceptual artist?
[19:30] <MarkDroid> Sorta.
[19:31] <MarkDroid> Actually taking pics . And then editing them. So they look nice
[19:31] <iScream> no giant umbrellas in the desert, though
[19:31] <dragon> That's not excluded, is it? ^
[19:32] <MarkDroid> We do have some umbrellas
[19:32] <MarkDroid> And a parasol
[19:32] <MarkDroid> No dragon . That's on the list
[19:33] <MarkDroid> Also a few i call ENLIGHTENMENT
[19:34] <MarkDroid> Sitting on a lotus of Enlightenment
[19:34] <iScream> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berenice_Abbott
[19:37] <dragon> That sounds interesting.
[19:39] <iScream> http://www.thefedoralounge.com/archive/index.php/t-4884.html
[19:40] <seidos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_algebra
[19:45] <iScream> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_geometry
[19:47] <seidos> i don't think either of these is going to work
[19:48]  * seidos gets eyes pad
[19:55] <seidos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sphere
[19:56] <seidos> i think i've lost sight in my left eye
[19:56] <MarkDroid> Just don't loose sight in your third :)
[20:02] <seidos> i losed it temporarily
[20:03]  * iScream just lost The Game
[22:47] <Darkwing> pleia2: Yeah, right after UDS when I had a talk with Amber about what the Leadership team was actually doing.


[01:42] <rUiSu> hi
[01:44] <rUiSu> hi
[01:44] <rUiSu> um, after the state: Checking battery state.... [ ok ]  , but then nothing happens
[01:47] <rUiSu> i cat boot my kubuntu :(
[01:48] <rUiSu> whats after checking battery state?


[00:04] <ndonegan> Anyone seen issues where cloud-init is setting the hostname to localhost.localdomain?
[00:04] <ndonegan> The advertised metata-data/hostname seems to be ok!
[09:42] <Odd_Bloke> ndonegan: That sounds familiar; what OS/cloud are you running?
[09:44] <Odd_Bloke> Actually, some searching around suggests I might have been thinking of something else. :/
[10:25] <ndonegan> Odd_Bloke: Openstack Icehouse (moving to Kilo in the next few months) with Centos 6.5 VMs.
[10:26] <Odd_Bloke> ndonegan: Is there anything relevant in cloud-init.log?
[10:27] <ndonegan> Nothing that I can see. I'll get me some caffine and have a look again.
[10:27] <ndonegan> Caffine taking priority right now :D
[10:29] <Odd_Bloke> :D
[12:14] <ndonegan> Absolutely nothing related to update_hostname or friends in the log that I can see.
[12:19] <ndonegan> Ah! PEBKAC.
[12:22] <Odd_Bloke> ndonegan: My favourite sort of problem. ;)
[12:23] <ndonegan> A hacky fix for an older problem has come back to bite.
[12:53] <ndonegan> Confirmed. Very much PEBKAC.
[16:17] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Review and merge of https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/cloud-init/smartos-v2-metadata/+merge/251775 would be appreciated; it'd be good to get it in to vivid if possible.
[16:17] <Odd_Bloke> (harlowja_away has already given it a once over)
[16:24] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, ok. will take a look. thanks.
[16:25] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Thanks! :)
[17:18] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, is there information on v2 metadata  somwhere? or on its differences from v1 ?
[17:19] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: http://eng.joyent.com/mdata/protocol.html is the specification.
[17:19] <Odd_Bloke> It's a completely different format from v1.
[17:19] <Odd_Bloke> The keys stay the same though.
[17:20] <smoser> put a link in code
[17:20] <smoser> ?
[17:21] <smoser> also, i probably dont like how many LOG.info you do.
[17:22] <smoser> there should be well defined criteria for when debug/info/warn are used, but there are not. instead you have smoser saying "probably".
[17:25] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I'll switch the info calls to debug.
[17:27] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Pushed those fixes up.
[17:27] <Odd_Bloke> (Including the link to the spec)
[17:28] <harlowja> smoser maybe https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LoggingStandards#Log_level_definitions should be just what we recommend?
[17:30] <smoser> harlowja, dont you think that'd be better if it said "smoser's judgement call"
[17:30] <harlowja> +1
[17:30] <harlowja> lol
[17:30] <harlowja> all hail dear leader smoser
[17:30] <smoser> the big thing is console output
[17:30] <harlowja> true dat dear leader
[17:31] <smoser> now and in cloud-init v2 , the console should get "OH NO, BAD STUFF" and very few "Yep all went well".
[17:31] <smoser> and then fingerprints and such
[17:32] <harlowja> that reminds me, oh where art thou  PCManticore  person for https://github.com/cloud-init/cloud-init/pull/2 :-/
[17:32] <claudiupopa> harlowja: that's me.
[17:33] <harlowja> sweet
[17:33] <harlowja> how goes it
[17:33] <harlowja> 'license change GPLv3 to Apache 2.0'
[17:33] <harlowja> intersting
[17:33] <harlowja> smoser is your boss ok with this :-P
[17:33] <harlowja> bossman
[17:33] <claudiupopa> well, I was just waiting for the licensing issue to settle, I should update the pull request this week and hopefully it gets integrated.
[17:33] <harlowja> kk
[17:34] <harlowja> guess they are settling
[17:43] <smoser> bossman ack'd it.
[17:43] <smoser> harlowja, its actuall "apache 2.0 or GPLv3" dual license
[17:43] <smoser> which , is actually inherent to all apache 2.0 projects
[17:43] <harlowja> interesting, didn't know there was an 'OR'
[17:43] <smoser> but it is explicitly stated here.
[17:44] <harlowja> intersting
[17:44] <smoser> ie, apache2 is "upstream compatible" with gplv3
[17:44]  * harlowja this stuff confuses me, lol
[17:44] <smoser> so you can grab whatever you want that is apache2 and relicense it to someone under gplv3
[17:44] <harlowja> cools i guess, ha
[17:44] <smoser> but if i cna get away with it, i'm going to not explicitly list the GPLv3 info in the file headers.
[17:45] <smoser> but unfortunately, i suspect if a lawyer gets involved, then..
[17:45] <harlowja> i promise not to involve my sister (who is a lawyer), lol
[17:45] <smoser> thank you
[17:45] <harlowja> np
[17:46] <harlowja> let's keep this between me and u smoser
[17:46] <harlowja> no need to involve lawyers, jeez
[17:46] <harlowja> jeezsh
[17:47] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, the only other comment...
[17:48] <smoser> you're not sniffing one or the other, just expect that v2 is there? or are you
[17:48] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: We just expect v2 is there (which is a fair assumption in Joyent).
[17:49] <smoser> is there code we can drop then ?
[17:50] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: The code which did v1 stuff has already been dropped.
[17:51] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: We should eventually be able to get rid of the b64- stuff, but doing so now would break anyone using those attributes.
[17:52] <smoser> k.
[17:52] <smoser> ok. so... last thing.
[17:52] <smoser> err.2 quests
[17:53] <harlowja> 1 fetch the princess from the castle
[17:53] <harlowja> and deliver the bread to the farmer down the road
[17:53] <smoser> a.) regex, compile that once
[17:53] <harmw> harlowja: I'm in
[17:53] <harlowja> no quests for u!
[17:53] <harlowja> lol
[17:53] <harmw> though we should watch out for the cavetrol
[17:53] <smoser> harlowja, did you come up with that just now ? or are you quoting something that i'm too un-geek-hip to get ?
[17:53] <smoser> if you'd have said "all your base are belong to us" then i'd have known
[17:53] <harlowja> smoser u said 2 quests
[17:53] <harlowja> i made up 2 quests, lol
[17:53] <harmw> :P
[17:54] <smoser> or "^^vv<><>baba start"
[17:54] <smoser> harmw, it is a plan of mine to build the konima code into cirros somehow.
[17:54] <harmw> koniwhat?
[17:55] <smoser> b.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Code
[17:55] <smoser> you never played ikari warriorson NES.
[17:55] <harmw> no man
[17:55] <harmw> I'm to young for that :>
[17:56] <harmw> and I only know 'all your base are belong to us' from bedtime stories
[17:56] <smoser> (i'm with you on that one)
[17:56] <smoser> but ikari warriors was good
[17:56] <smoser>  https://youtu.be/wiQmBwwx7_Y
[17:56] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, ^ see 'a' above, and then
[17:57] <harmw> importing konami: +1
[17:57] <smoser> b. i forgot that.
[17:57] <smoser> then c. 'format'
[17:57] <smoser> i wonder, why
[17:57] <smoser>  +        return '{0:08x}'.format(
[17:57] <smoser> +            binascii.crc32(body.encode('utf-8')) & 0xffffffff)
[17:57] <smoser> rather than
[17:58] <smoser> er... mabye not on that one.
[18:03] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, so the othe rone is bsaically just why:
[18:03] <smoser> +            raise JoyentMetadataFetchException(
[18:03] <smoser> +                'Incorrect frame length given ({0} != {1}).'.format(
[18:03] <smoser> +                    frame_data['length'], len(frame_data['body'])))
[18:03] <smoser> instead of
[18:04] <smoser>  raise JoyentMetadataFetchException('Incorrect frame length given (%s != %s)' % (..., ...))
[18:04] <smoser> i've nver really understood why one is preferable to another
[18:05] <Odd_Bloke> The two arguments for .format are generally: (a) it supports more sophisticated formatting, and (b) it won't break if you unexpectedly give it a tuple.
[18:06] <smoser> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5082452/python-string-formatting-vs-format
[18:06] <smoser> yeah. so, i'm not going to nit-pick you on it, but generally id have used what the rest of the code has.
[18:07] <smoser> but fix the regex
[18:07] <smoser> then i'll pull
[18:07] <Odd_Bloke> Regex fix pushed.
[18:07] <smoser> oh. Odd_Bloke the other question..
[18:07] <smoser> the LANG thing in tox
[18:07] <smoser> you wanted LANG=C. and that is reported fixed in httpretty
[18:08] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, there's an Azure test (which was written based on a real-life failure) that only fails when LANG=C.
[18:08] <Odd_Bloke> OK, cool.
[18:08] <Odd_Bloke> I'll have a look at that tomorrow, see if we can use the latest httpretty.
[18:08] <Odd_Bloke> Gotta run now. :)
[18:08] <Odd_Bloke> o/
[18:26] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, its not fixed. i commented at https://github.com/gabrielfalcao/HTTPretty/issues/223
[19:44] <harmw> hm, think my network is finally settled
[19:44] <harmw> by not using virtio
[19:44] <harmw> and upgrading the router firmware (eg. freeBSD kernel) :P
[19:45] <harmw> -1 for using Fedora 21 as hypervisor instead of old faithfull CentOS 7
[19:46] <harmw> (though non-virtio throughput sucks quite hard)
[19:47] <harlowja> lol, damn centos7 is already old faithful
[19:47] <harlowja> wasn't it recently released, lol
[19:48]  * harmw spend like 4 months debugging this and trying to get shit to work, openstack from scratch plus instances actually working proprly
[19:48] <harmw> and thats without pro-hardware :p
[19:49] <kwadronaut> when do you use virtio-througput? other than storage?
[19:49]  * kwadronaut facepalms
[19:49] <harmw> good one, well it just sucks going from 930Mbit to 60Mbit
[19:50] <kwadronaut> i'll answer myself: graphics cards.
[20:46] <harmw> smoser: lsblk and lscpu are missing in your cirros buildroot-upgrade branch
[20:47] <smoser> i have vague recollction of that
[20:49] <harmw> hm, can't find the knobs to turn those on though (alteast not after a quick grep through busybox.conf)
[20:56] <smoser> harmw, probably from buildroot


[03:12] <maitake_> hi #xubuntu
[03:12] <maitake_> just installed xubuntu for the first time and strangely it crashes constantly
[03:13] <maitake_> adding things to the dock, loading certain software, or clicking on the wrong thing spits me to the login screen
[03:14] <maitake_> is there a log i could check perhaps?
[03:14] <holstein> maitake_: i would test as a different user
[03:16] <maitake_> kk
[03:17] <maitake_> nope.. same problem :X
[03:17] <holstein> maitake_: i would look at the graphics driver.. see if that is causing instablitiy
[03:18] <maitake_> perhaps.. i need to install propietary nvidia drivers?
[03:18] <holstein> maitake_: i would try that.. i did
[03:18] <holstein> !nvidia | maitake_
[03:18] <maitake_> oh i know
[03:18] <maitake_> thanks though
[03:38] <maitake_> thanks holstein
[03:38] <maitake_> fixed it :) was a driver issue after all
[03:39] <holstein> maitake_: cheers!
[09:56] <heraclitis> How do I remove xubuntu on a windows7/xubuntu 12.04 install, using windows?
[09:57] <SunStar> delete the partition, resize the windows partition, then use the windows boot disk to re-install the bootloader
[10:02] <heraclitis> Good deal, SunStar, thanks
[11:08] <FRO5T> After having bitter experience with linux mint from 2 years, finally took a decision to switch on ubuntu and found that xubuntu to be the best for me. Linux mint and it's newer X server doesn't support anymore the legacy radeon hd series, in order to install ati catalyst 9.3 or older version I had to install mint 13 or previous release - but but but they got issue with the wireless which makes the wireless device to disconnect from the conn
[11:08] <FRO5T> ected network in about every 15 minutes or less. LMDE become pure wheezy after installing updates and it is wiping every single change that the user has made, and after that update the user has no shutdown or restart buttons. Thanks on xubuntu and their xfce that allowing me to install the xlfrg ati drivers manually.   For my experience with xubuntu for about hour I did all these things without breaking any single line.
[11:11] <bazhang> FRO5T, MINT shortcomings is not really on topic here
[11:11] <bazhang> try #xubuntu-offtopic
[11:11] <FRO5T> well I describe why most of you will never have to go with mint
[11:11] <bazhang> its not on topic here.
[11:12] <FRO5T> I remember while installing xubuntu the splash screen image said: join us in our irc channel and express your minds
[11:13] <bazhang> support here; #xubuntu-offtopic for chit chat
[11:13] <FRO5T> im not seeking support, just expressing my feelings
[11:13] <bazhang> so /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[11:14] <FRO5T> ok
[14:04] <FRO5T> Why there is no option for compression on files after I right click on the file(s), but I got extraction option for already archived file(s) ?
[14:04] <FRO5T> I've got to manually add the desired file(s) in the archive manager and then create a compressed file(s), that could be done for a 3 seconds if there was a right click compression option..
[14:07] <heoyea> thunar-archive-plugin
[14:08] <FRO5T> It came pre-installed by default on 12.04
[14:08] <heoyea> highlight all the files u want and rightclick
[14:09] <FRO5T> Doesn't work this method for folders
[14:10] <heoyea> ?
[14:10] <FRO5T> I got more than 15 folders and want to compress them to a single archive
[14:10] <heoyea> works on any file
[14:10] <FRO5T> The method which you mentioned doesn't work with folders, but with every other File(s)
[14:11] <heoyea> no issues here
[14:12] <FRO5T> There is less than 4 hours since I installed xubuntu 12.04
[14:14] <FRO5T> I found what is causing that issue
[14:14] <FRO5T> So I CANT compress folders while they are on the Desktop directory
[14:14] <FRO5T> Lol why is this happening
[20:01] <FRO5T> How do I bind keys to launch programs in Xubuntu ?
[20:02] <TheSheep> FRO5T: settings -> keyboard -> shortcuts
[20:03] <FRO5T> Thank you
[20:07] <FRO5T> TheSheep are you Bulgarian ?
[20:07] <TheSheep> FRO5T: no, polish
[20:07] <FRO5T> Okay sorry :[
[20:07] <TheSheep> but I know it's a popular name there
[20:08] <FRO5T> yes it is ;D
[20:08] <TheSheep> btw, there is #xubuntu-offtopic for non-support chat
[20:09] <FRO5T> okay thanks
[20:35] <Peyam> hi
[20:35] <Peyam> I hide the menu bar in thunar file manager. so everytime I open a folder the menu bar is gone
[20:35] <Peyam> How do I reset the default
[20:38] <TheSheep> Peyam: how did you hide it?
[20:38] <Peyam> well I click on view> uncheck menu bar
[20:38] <TheSheep> Peyam: what version of xubuntu is this?
[20:38] <Peyam> 12.10
[20:39] <TheSheep> I have that version but I can't see such an option, are you sure this is Thunar?
[20:39] <Peyam> Open ur home folder
[20:39] <Peyam> and look at view
[20:39] <Peyam> in menu bar
[20:41] <TheSheep> Peyam: http://imgur.com/3gcwhYk
[20:41] <TheSheep> Peyam: then what?
[20:41] <Peyam> status bar
[20:41] <Peyam> mabe
[20:42] <Peyam> y
[20:42] <TheSheep> status bar controls the status bar -- at the bottom
[20:42] <TheSheep> are you sure you are using Thunar and not some other file manager?
[20:43] <Peyam> I use thunar yes
[20:43] <Peyam> I dont have the manu in front of me
[20:43] <Peyam> But I know it was something there
[20:43] <TheSheep> if you open a terminal window and type 'thunar' and press enter, do you see the same kind of window as normally when you click your home directory?
[20:43] <Peyam> wait
[20:43] <Peyam> same windows
[20:44] <Peyam> sam window
[20:45] <TheSheep> what does 'thunar --version' say?
[20:45] <TheSheep> mine is: Thunar 1.4.0 (Xfce 4.10)
[20:46] <Peyam> 1.6.2
[20:46] <Peyam> xfce 4.10
[20:46] <TheSheep> did you install it from some other sources than the official repositories?
[20:47] <TheSheep> because that's not the version that comes with 12.10
[20:47] <Peyam> I installed with with xubuntu
[20:47] <Peyam> I have updated the system so Its maybe updated too
[20:48] <TheSheep> !info thunar
[20:48] <TheSheep> 1.4.0 is the official version
[20:48] <TheSheep> are you sure that is xubuntu?
[20:48] <Peyam> Well I havent updated it manually
[20:48] <Peyam> Yes
[20:49] <TheSheep> if you type 'apt-cache policy thunar', what url do you get?
[20:50] <TheSheep> btw, I can't help you with that version of thunar, because I don't know it yet, but you may get better help at #thunar or #xfce
[20:50] <Peyam> http://pastebin.com/ZFNi6Hu7
[20:50] <TheSheep> so you have it installed from a ppa for xfce 4.12
[20:51] <Peyam> ohh yeah I was to force to add a ppa to fix my dual screen issue
[20:51] <Peyam> It maybe came with that
[20:51] <TheSheep> anyways, best ask at #thunar
[20:52] <Peyam> haha nobody is there
[20:52] <TheSheep> then #xfce
[20:53] <TheSheep> Peyam: you can also try editing ~/.config/Thunar/thunarrc
[20:55] <FRO5T> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1230607
[20:55] <TheSheep> FRO5T: that's something else
[20:56] <FRO5T> my bad ;[
[20:56] <TheSheep> Peyam: there should be something like LastMenubarVisible
[20:56] <Peyam> and?
[20:56] <TheSheep> FRO5T: no, no, I'm glad that you are helping
[20:56] <TheSheep> Peyam: it's set to FALSE
[20:56] <Peyam> haha
[20:56] <TheSheep> Peyam: set it to TRUE and save
[20:56] <Peyam> I just needed to press ctrl+m
[20:56] <TheSheep> \o/
[20:57] <Peyam> Now I see that my version has the option "uncheck menu bar"
[20:57] <FRO5T> Wanna have fun - http://imgbox.com/adre9fYs , mint 14 after installing ati drivers ;D
[20:57] <TheSheep> I suppose we will get it in 13.04
[20:58] <Peyam> FRO5T: I think Mint has lots of application that are not really neccesarry
[20:58] <Peyam> FRO5T: do you install the drivers manually?
[20:58] <TheSheep> FRO5T: yeah, binary drivers suck
[20:58] <FRO5T> Anyone that wants to tear off his hear must try mint then he will be off for a long time
[20:59] <TheSheep> that's nice, but this is a xubuntu channel
[20:59] <FRO5T> im just saying hands off from the mint
[20:59] <TheSheep> for non-support chat, please join #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:00] <Peyam> FRO5T: Im happy with xubuntu..
[21:00] <Peyam> but mint has a nice theme
[21:00] <Peyam> the only thing that attracting me
[21:01] <FRO5T> I was long time debian & mint user, but after mint 11 everything with it dissapear in several years. Today I've installed xubuntu and I am glad that I did it ;]
[21:01] <Peyam> it is the perfect dist
[21:02] <Peyam> even my grandma can use it
[21:02] <FRO5T> yeah, the freedom of customization reminds me to arch ;D
[21:03] <FRO5T> See you tomorrow guys
[21:12]  * Wizard yawns.
[21:19] <veebull> hello all
[21:20] <veebull> recently reinstalled xubuntu 12.10 over my old ubuntu 12.10
[21:20] <veebull> previously I'd had also installed the xubutu packages along with the regular unity desktop, but had too many duplicates, etc.
[21:21] <Wizard> Duplicates?
[21:21] <veebull> even then I had some oddness going on with the sound on my laptop (Lenovo Thinkpad T530) in xubuntu
[21:22] <veebull> Now with the fresh install, I'm still having issues with intermittent sound - sometimes it works, sometimes after a reboot, it doesn't.
[21:22] <veebull> any ideas as to why sound would work perfectly in ubuntu/unity but not in xubuntu?
[21:26] <Wizard> Dunno.
[21:26] <Wizard> I would launch pavucontrol and check if everything is on place.
[21:26] <Peyam> hmm
[21:28] <veebull> well thats interesting....
[21:29] <veebull> this laptop has dedicated hardware buttons (not function keys) for muting the speaker and mic, as well as volume control.
[21:30] <veebull> Apparently when I hit 'mute' using the hardware switch, for some reason I'm not able to *un*mute using the same hardware switch.
[21:30] <veebull> but I was able to unmute the sound using pavucontrol...?
[21:31] <SunStar> it sends a command to mute.
[21:32] <veebull> so any guesses why the hardware switch isn't working to un-mute in Xubuntu, but does in regular Ubuntu?
[23:47] <nooooo> hi
[23:48] <nooooo> my laptop gets hot and loud in ubuntu but not in win
[23:48] <nooooo> *xubuntu
[23:48] <nooooo> when i pull the electric cable off its getting cooler and more silent
[23:49] <nooooo> how to use the battery-powered mode with the dc cable connected?


[01:24] <mebrown> cjwatson, thanks.
[01:25] <mebrown> cjwatson, for us, customer will never see ubiquity, so as long as firstboot (oem-config) works ok, I'm happy.
[05:30] <superm1> cjwatson, in case it has been overlooked, have you looked at the fix attached to bug 38442?
[05:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 38442 in ubiquity "Ubiquity dialogues too large for 800x600 display" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38442
[05:30] <superm1> it appears to be functional
[05:30] <superm1> from what i was just testing in my VM
[05:31] <superm1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10893039/ubiquity.diff
[07:02] <evand> superm1: that bug falls on my lap now, but yes, I have seen that patch.  The proper way to fix this is to make the timezone widget fit in a more reasonable size, which is nearing completion.
[07:03] <superm1> evand, ah its good that you've narrowed down which widget was doing it
[07:03] <evand> well it was more than one area, but after fixing the others this is what's left
[07:04] <superm1> i'll have to check out my mythbuntu widget areas too for our UI.  i suppose i probably have a few that are a bit large too
[07:06] <evand> ah, indeed
[07:06] <superm1> still enabling that fullscreen ui may be useful when launching into ubiquity only mode off the disk
[07:07] <superm1> and eliminate the necessity of a window manager in such cases
[07:09] <evand> hrm, it's a good point that I'll have to give more thought.
[07:09] <evand> but first, sleep
[07:09] <evand> goodnight
[07:09] <superm1> indeed
[07:09] <superm1> night :)
[08:03] <CIA-22> ubiquity: superm1 * r2412 ubiquity/scripts/mythbuntu/mythbuntu_install.py: correct minor typo on transmitter support


[05:04] <rowinofwin> Hi all, I have a strange issue on a lenovo laptop with ubuntu mate and xubuntu 16.04. The touchpad isn't working, but neither is an external USB mouse. xinput doesn't show either, but lsusb shows the usb mouse just fine.
[09:01] <xubuntu84d> hay i need help
[09:21] <flocculant> wait longer then ...
[13:36] <jk^> Hi all
[13:36] <jk^> Problem at starting
[13:37] <jk^> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FaMH9Vh7so2oMjBhjEEsiWlFzl6xCHSw/view?usp=drivesdk
[13:37] <jk^> Pls help me
[13:58] <flocculant> jk^: I have a couple of questions which you need to answer. I am not interested in any babbling like we've had from you previously - I've very little time to spare today
[13:58] <flocculant> 1 - what did you do before this happened?
[13:58] <flocculant> 2 - what random webpages have you been following before this happened?
[21:01] <Guest95753> hello there, should i use "sudo" for installing snaps? some sites use it some oter no, i'm kinda confused :S
[21:04] <well_laid_lawn> Guest95753:  some linux distros have a root user that doesn't need sudo. With the 'buntus ou need to escalate permissions with sudo to install stuff
[21:06] <Guest95753> well_laid_lawn, i know this, i just thought, snap was somehow different
[21:08] <well_laid_lawn> if it installs anything anywhere that is not your $HOME then you'll need sudo
[21:10] <Guest95753> well_laid_lawn, ok thnx for the info
[21:12] <well_laid_lawn> Guest95753:  https://docs.snapcraft.io/core/usage
[21:12] <well_laid_lawn> says you use sudo to login then don't need sudo for commands
[21:16] <Guest95753> well_laid_lawn, thnx, i'm readin it asap
[21:18] <well_laid_lawn> it says if you don't login you'll need root priveleges for most things
[21:18] <Guest95753> yep
[21:21] <Guest95753> well_laid_lawn, i thought snap used polkit for local auth
[21:23] <Guest95753> i think fedora does this for the software from its own official repos and it doesn't need password, at least in gnome software
[21:26] <well_laid_lawn> I don't use it I just read the sites directions
[21:28] <Guest95753> ok
[21:30] <jk^> hi
[21:30] <jk^> where are the options to manage the "Keychains"?
[21:31] <jk^> In my distro language is called "portachiavi"
[21:31] <jk^> everytime i open chromium it ask for password
[21:31] <jk^> i don't want it
[21:33] <jk^> well_laid_lawn,
[21:33] <jk^> Guest95753,
[21:34] <Guest95753> jk^, i dont know what "Keychains" is, but as far as i know chrome uses gnome keyring by default on xubuntu
[21:35] <jk^> ok how to disable for chromium?
[21:36] <well_laid_lawn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/31786/chrome-asks-for-password-to-unlock-keyring-on-startup#191490
[21:36] <Guest95753> run it as google --password-store=basic
[21:37] <Guest95753> run it as google-chrome --password-store=basic
[21:38] <Guest95753> but then your passwords won't be encrypted
[21:40] <Guest95753> otherwise follow well_laid_lawn's link
[21:55] <jk^> i don't find the gui way
[21:58] <john90> gui way for what?
[21:59] <jk^> to disable keyring for chromium
[22:00] <john90> did this "google-chrome --password-store=basic" worked from terminal?
[22:01] <jk^> :\
[22:01] <jk^> i can't use terminal
[22:01] <jk^> my fear is to do trouble
[22:01] <jk^> already happened
[22:01] <john90> yes ok dont worry
[22:02] <jk^> https://askubuntu.com/questions/533324/change-keyring-password-on-xubuntu
[22:02] <john90> there is no way to change the password manager from gui as far as i know
[22:02] <jk^> seahorse
[22:02] <jk^> where is?
[22:04] <john90> open the "start menu" and type something like password
[22:05] <jk^> i already did it
[22:07] <john90> ok take a look at software center
[22:07] <jk^> john90,
[22:08] <jk^> yes but in software the name of app are translated
[22:09] <john90> look for seahorse
[22:14] <john90> jk^, just a moment....
[22:16] <jk^> there is a way to open the keyring manager in xubuntu?
[22:16] <jk^> a gui method
[22:17] <jk^> in which menu i can find it?
[22:17] <jk^> in ubuntu is called "Password and keys" but in xubuntu there isn't
[22:17] <jk^> johtso,
[22:18] <jk^> john90,
 there is a way to open the keyring manager in xubuntu?
 a gui method
 in which menu i can find it?
 in ubuntu is called "Password and keys" but in xubuntu there isn't
[22:19] <jk^> or it has another name
[22:19] <jk^> however, i'm boring, so i try to type seahors in terminal
[22:19] <jk^> it told me seahors is not installed
[22:20] <john90> sudo apt install -y libpam-gnome-keyring seahorse
[22:20] <john90> copy paste this in terminal
[22:20] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[22:22] <john90> and then search seahorse in the "start menu"
[22:23] <jk^> john90, i found in software
[22:23] <jk^> Password and chiavi (keys)
[22:23] <jk^> i installed it
[22:23] <jk^> there are 2 items: "Chrome safe storage control" and "Chromium safe storage"
[22:24] <jk^> but the password it show me is not the one i choose to create chromium keyring :\
[22:35] <jk^> so strange
[22:35] <jk^> isn't there in xubuntu a password and key manager?


[07:36] <smb> morning
[08:24]  * apw looks out on the world ... and does not like what he sees
[08:28] <ppisati> apw: rain?
[08:28] <cking> perhaps apw has looked in a mirror
[08:28] <smb> A pile of washing to do?
[08:28] <smb> cking, Or that. :)
[08:34] <smb> Must have fallen over from shock...
[08:50] <apw> ppisati, cirtainly rain, bah
[08:50] <apw> i was hoping to have a nice lunch on the new patio table, seems that is out
[08:56] <ppisati> guys, did you ever setup a swift node?
[08:57] <ppisati> i wonder if there's some $magic somewhere so i can get a node up&running quickly
[09:00] <apw> ppisati, not me, i would hope if anyone had it would be smb, but I also don't recall him telling us he had :)
[09:00] <smb> What is a swift node? :-P
[09:02] <smb> ppisati, Guessing it might be openstack related, maybe some people over on #ubuntu-server may know
[09:03] <ppisati> smb: actually i already found how to do it
[09:03] <ppisati> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/development_saio.html
[09:04] <ppisati> but i wonder if there is a shorter way...
[09:04] <ppisati> gosh
[09:04] <ppisati> let's start...
[09:07] <smb> apw, If you are recovered from the rain shock and bored, maybe you could have a look at the prepared crash package for saucy which I put on chinstrap?
[09:07] <apw> smb, sure
[09:08] <apw> ppisati, i am sure the answer is juju
[09:08] <smb> ppisati, something high available, distributed and eventually consistent sound like needing pain
[09:09] <ppisati> smb: :(
[09:32] <ppisati> ok so, the official ubuntu doc about swift points back to that page when setting up a node for development or testing
[09:32]  * ppisati gets another mug of coffee and starts the setup...
[09:53] <apw> smb, just so you know, i am fighting the cve scripts right now, so i have not yet looked at your package
[09:53] <smb> apw, ack, no worries
[10:06] <jjohansen> apw: are there some good notes on working with the phablet kernel?
[10:15] <Kano> hi, will you rebase saucy to 3.9.1 or wait for 3.10?
[10:25] <apw> saucy will go 3.10-rcN fairly soon
[10:25] <apw> jjohansen, hmmm, ppisati is the best resource for knowledge, like how to flash a new kernel in from outside etc
[10:26] <apw> (though i should remember more, i have them installed after all)
[10:26] <apw> jjohansen, and why are you awake :)
[10:26] <jjohansen> heh okay I'll bug ppisati some time :)
[10:27] <apw> ppisati should be about now :)
[10:27] <Kano> apw: it would not hurt when you update it to 3.9.1
[10:27] <jjohansen> apw: uhm, still adjusting to jet lag from last week ;)
[10:28] <apw> jjohansen, jet lag, hmmm, fib
[10:28] <jjohansen> hehe :)
[10:32] <jjohansen> apw: so 2 more things, to do with the apparmor backport
[10:32] <jjohansen> 1. we made some changes to the abi late last week and are still doing some work around that so you won't get the backport pull request until then
[10:32] <jjohansen> 2. the backport is currently done as. Patch to bring kernel up to current upstream. new apparmor patches, then patches to backport.
[10:32] <jjohansen> This keeps the changes for the backport from having to ripple through the new patchset, which keeps the change set smaller.
[10:32] <jjohansen> Any issues with this scheme?
[10:33] <apw> sounds reasonable, and as you have to 'maintain' it i think we want whatever is easiest for you
[10:33] <jjohansen> okay thanks
[10:34] <apw> as you are maintainer we are happy to be guided by simplicity for you, particularly on these arm branches
[10:36] <jjohansen> well I am hoping its easier :)
[10:37] <jjohansen> ppisati: so do you have any notes you can point me to for the phablet kernel
[10:37] <ppisati> jjohansen: about installing the kernel&c?
[10:37] <ppisati> jjohansen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/AndroidKernel
[10:40] <jjohansen> ppisati: okay thanks, I wasn't sure if that was what is recommend for the current phablet images
[12:02]  * henrix -> lunch
[13:19]  * henrix -> back in 20 min
[13:23] <tnt> Does anyone know if the ubuntu kernel patches are available somewhere as a patch stack/list rather than 1 giant diff ?
[13:24] <ogra_> in git on kernel.ubuntu.com ?
[13:25] <tnt> ogra_: ah yes indeed thanks. I was looking in the package sources and on packages.ubuntu.com ...
[13:25] <tnt> thanks.
[14:27] <rtg_> apw, any info on mako and the gcc bug ? I'm planning to rebuild manta today.
[14:29]  * ogra_ whispers maguro
[14:30] <apw> rtg_, nothing that has come to my ear as yet.  ppisati are you able to test the 3.9 saucy kernel on an arm board?  to confirm -generic is workign there?
[14:31] <apw> rtg_, the next step was as above to confirm if the -generic was bust so we knew where to target
[14:31] <rtg_> apw, ack
[14:31]  * rtg_ hears ogra whispering
[14:35]  * bjf nudges apw to read his email from ppisati
[14:50] <zequence> apw: So, if I were to maintain -lowlatency also for the development release this time, how would that work?
[14:56] <zequence> 48
[15:37] <apw> zequence, a good question, i'll have a think about it and see how we might swing it
[17:15] <apw> bjf, sconklin, the matrix is mia right now as i foolishly added linux-lts-raring to it, and ... well ... it is missing :)  working with security on it now
[17:15] <sconklin> apw: ack
[17:16] <bjf> apw, while they are fixing it, they should go ahead and remove hardy and oneiric
[17:16] <apw> bjf, that they have on their list for tommorrow
[17:17] <apw> bjf, though i have just dropped them from teh auto-triager just in case it steps on their shlongs for them
[17:17] <apw> sconklin, bjf, did we add lts-raring to the ABIPackages page?
[17:18] <apw> actually it seems both lts-quantal and lts-raring are missing ... oops
[17:44] <rtg_> cking, jsalisbury_: need to reboot gomeisa for kernel and SSL update
[17:45] <jsalisbury_> rtg_, ack
[17:45] <cking> ack
[17:45]  * cking calls it a day :-)
[17:47]  * smb too
[17:51] <jsalisbury_> rtg_, ok to use gomeisa again?
[17:54] <rtg_> jsalisbury_, rebooting tangerine...
[17:54] <jsalisbury_> rtg_, ack
[17:58] <rtg_> jsalisbury_, you are good to go on gomeisa
[18:08] <apw> sconklin, i am fiddling with the autotriager so don't review and accept its results for the moment
[18:10] <sconklin> apw: ack. I ran it early today (my time) and won't touch it again until I hear from you
[23:40] <hallyn_> will there be a kernel support cortex A15?
[23:40] <hallyn_> (in saucy)
[23:41] <rtg_> hallyn_, what platform names have an A15 ?
[23:42] <hallyn_> arndale
[23:43] <hallyn_> or exynos 5 if that means more
[23:43] <rtg_> hallyn_, so far these are the device tree based platforms that I have in saucy: imx6q-sabrelite.dtb omap3-beagle-xm.dtb omap4-panda.dtb omap4-panda-es.dtb highbank.dtb
[23:44] <hallyn_> dannf: ^ the arndale system you gave rbasak, would it be able to boot one of those (and have a15 kvm support)?
[23:45] <hallyn_> nm, rbasak says "no you fool"
[23:45] <hallyn_> rtg_: thanks
[23:45] <rtg_> hallyn_, I see device tree support for some xynos platforms, but not for arndale
[23:45] <rtg_> exynos*
[23:45] <rbasak> rtg_: my question was really: do we have anything on the roadmap which involves support for an A15 based system in Saucy?
[23:46] <rbasak> (or any non A15 but virt-supporting system)
[23:46] <rbasak> I suspect the answer may well be no - I just wanted to check.
[23:46] <rtg_> rbasak, if it has DTB support, then we kind of get it for free. otherwise I either have to create a flavour or a separate tree.
[23:48] <rbasak> rtg_: OK, but your config wouldn't have driver support unless all driver requirements happen to be covered by other platform support, right?
[23:48] <rtg_> rbasak, if exynos is A15, then we _could_ enable one or more of these platforms:
[23:48] <rtg_> arch/arm/boot/dts/exynos5250-snow.dts
[23:48] <rtg_> arch/arm/boot/dts/exynos5250-smdk5250.dts
[23:48] <rtg_> arch/arm/boot/dts/exynos4210-trats.dts
[23:48] <rtg_> arch/arm/boot/dts/exynos4210-origen.dts
[23:48] <rtg_> arch/arm/boot/dts/exynos4210-smdkv310.dts
[23:48] <rtg_> arch/arm/boot/dts/exynos4412-smdk4412.dts
[23:48] <rbasak> I think the hardware I have access to all has DTB support. But not full driver support
[23:48] <rtg_> arch/arm/boot/dts/exynos5440-ssdk5440.dts
[23:48]  * rbasak is typing this from a exynos5250-snow.dts machine
[23:49] <rtg_> rbasak, then perhaps we can enable those drivers
[23:49] <rbasak> Would that create much work?
[23:49] <rbasak> ie. how much inconvenience for you?
[23:49] <rtg_> rbasak, not really, as long as you know what config options are required.
[23:50] <rbasak> OK. Thanks!
[23:50] <dannf> hallyn_: no you fool! :)
[23:57]  * rbasak didn't actually say that. hallyn paraphrased.
[23:57]  * rbasak is far too polite for that :)


[12:20] <infinity> lamont : I made the change to dejagnu instead.  One dejagnu has built and installed (it's arch:all, so it should be quick), you can give-back gdb.


[07:08] <micahg> Omega: well, I could use some help with QA on certain updates, would you be up for that?  (there's plenty more as well :))
[07:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: good morning, I wanted to ask you about the firefox.maverick branch you have?, can we move that to firefox-stable.maverick? and then I can take the firefox-3.6.maverick and make it the base for the new firefox.maverick (to mirror firefox.natty)?
[07:58] <micahg> and merge in your changes from firefox-stable.maverick
[07:58] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i don't mind too much
[07:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, I can take care of the moving then and ping you when it's done (about to go to sleep)
[08:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the other thing I was wondering was for the extensions that you converted to install into the profile, do they need to be bumped when we update them initially in the archive or what you did already for 5 enough for newer versions as well?
[08:02] <chrisccoulson> micahg, the extension versions shouldn't need bumping at all, as the addon manager will take care of updating them
[08:02] <micahg> ok, great, that's what I was hoping :)
[09:39] <Omega> micahg: Sure! If you tell me what I need to do, I could take care of it.
[15:45] <OnurK> ı just wanted to thank to the Ubuntu mozilla team
[17:08] <micahg> Omega: currently moonlight and gecko-mediaplayer are waiting for verification in natty-proposed, bug 798484, if you could take a look that would be great
[17:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 798484 in moon "Tracking bug for Firefox 5 transition in Natty" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798484
[20:04] <BUGabundo> greeting worms
[21:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: Debian has the fixes for powerpc, I might be able to get them uploaded over the weekend
[23:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: FYI, I pushed firefox-stable.maverick, but have not updated firefox.maverick yet, will do over the weekend


[09:07] <kanor_> hello
[09:08] <czajkowski> kanor_: hi
[09:09] <kanor_> i try to import a branch bazar with the url
[09:09] <kanor_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rdubreil/dash-privacy-interface/dash-privacy-interface
[09:09] <wgrant> kanor_: Code imports are for importing from sites other than Launchpad
[09:09] <wgrant> You can't import from Launchpad itself
[09:09] <wgrant> What are you trying to do?
[09:09] <kanor_> ah :/
[09:09] <wgrant> Code imports are used to create a continuous import of some external code on Launchpad
[09:10] <wgrant> It doesn't make sense to do that for some code that's already on Launchpad
[09:10] <wgrant> Since it's already on Launchpad :)
[09:11] <kanor_> before i link a branch bazar on lanchpad (Link to a Bazaar branch already on Launchpad)
[09:11] <wgrant> kanor_: If you just want to copy the branch, get a copy locally and 'bzr push lp:~path/to/branch'
[09:11] <kanor_> but i can not push
[09:11] <wgrant> But what exactly are you trying to do?
[09:11] <wgrant> Why can't you push?
[09:12] <kanor_> because i is not owner
[09:13] <wgrant> Ah, so you want to create your own branch of the project that you can work on?
[09:13] <kanor_> yes
[09:14] <wgrant> Hm, but I see you are in the team that owns the project, and you want this new branch to be the trunk?
[09:14] <wgrant> And it even looks like you own the branch that you're trying to import from
[09:14] <wgrant> lp:~rdubreil/dash-privacy-interface/dash-privacy-interface
[09:15] <wgrant> Do you just want to also allow the other team members to push to it too?
[09:15] <wgrant> Since it looks like you can already
[09:15] <kanor_> good idea
[09:16] <wgrant> First I'd delete https://code.launchpad.net/~dash-privacy-interface-t/dash-privacy-interface/trunk, then I'd go to https://code.launchpad.net/~rdubreil/dash-privacy-interface/dash-privacy-interface/+edit and change the owner to the team that you want to be able to push
[09:17] <wgrant> That looks better.
[09:17] <wgrant> It's now the trunk branch and owned by the team
[09:18] <wgrant> So any member should be able to push to lp:dash-privacy-interface
[09:18] <kanor_> thank
[14:29] <dupondje> Can a team create a PPA? Or you need a project for that?
[15:14] <cjwatson> dupondje: PPAs are mostly unrelated to projects; yes, a team can create a PPA
[15:51] <nwilliams> Hi all. I've been having trouble (OOPses) for the last week trying to upload zips to a released milestone. A tar.gz worked fine (same contents, close size). I couldn't find a bug, but is this a known problem?
[15:53] <czajkowski> nwilliams: do you have an oops id ?
[15:53] <nwilliams> czajkowski: Sure. The most recent is Error ID: OOPS-ece6d3cc2dac47fdfc01819f375fcd73. I haven't saved the others.
[15:55] <czajkowski> nwilliams: thanks will log a bug
[15:55] <nwilliams> czajkowski: Could you let me know the ID when filed? Thanks!
[15:57] <czajkowski> nwilliams: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1069892
[15:58] <czajkowski> although it could also be https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/423880
[15:59] <nwilliams> czajkowski: Would the zip itself or any comment about my environment be helpful on the new bug?
[15:59] <czajkowski> nwilliams: you can add a comment if you like
[16:33] <mrevell> Hello Launchpadders
[16:33] <czajkowski> ello
[16:33] <mrevell> :)
[16:43] <alkisg> Hi, I want to include a wget command in a script, that downloads the latest version of a specific file in some bazaar branch. Is that possible?
[16:43] <alkisg> E.g. here's the link that I get by clicking "download file" from firefox: wget 'http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk/download/head:/schscripts.gconfdefa-20121021104557-omgqdvnr8vay0cai-1/sch-scripts.gconf-defaults'
[16:43] <alkisg> ...but I'm guessing that's a temporary link, not valid after time...
[16:44] <mgz> alkisg: `bzr cat -d lp:whatever path/to/file`
[16:44] <alkisg> mgz: in the environment where the script will run, bzr isn't installed
[16:44] <czajkowski> alkisg: also brz questions might be best direction in #bzr
[16:44] <mgz> if you can install wget, you can install bzr
[16:45] <alkisg> wget is preinstalled
[16:45] <alkisg> It's a livecd chroot
[16:45] <alkisg> (that then becomes an .iso)
[16:46] <mgz> this sounds a lot like a wrong way of doing something, but I'll trust it makes sense to you
[16:46] <alkisg> If it isn't possible to do it with wget, np, I'll find some other way to integrate the contents, it just seemed the easier path  for me
[16:47] <alkisg> E.g. there _is_ a nice view URL: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk/view/head:/debian/sch-scripts.gconf-defaults
[16:47] <alkisg> ...but I can't find the equivalent download URL
[16:47] <mgz> if you have network access from inside this environment, you should be able to just bring in a file from a branch
[16:48] <alkisg> You mean, to install bzr temporarily?
[16:48] <alkisg> Then get the file, then uninstall it?
[16:48] <mgz> or just have the branch checked out as part of the build process then copy in the file
[16:49] <alkisg> Thank you, I trust there's no download link then?
[16:49] <alkisg> Or that question should be posted into loggerhead?
[16:52] <mgz> there is (as you've found), but it's not very useful in this case if you want to hardcode a url in your iso build
[16:54] <alkisg> Gotcha, thanks a lot, I've also just tried asking in #bzr but I guess I'll get the same answer there as well
[16:54] <czajkowski> alkisg: a lot of people idle in both, just you may also get more bzr folks there than here
[16:55] <alkisg> Sure, I'm in IRC 12+ hours per day, np... :)
[17:00] <mgz> loggerhead is also a funny crossover project
[17:00] <mgz> most people using bzr don't know anything about it, and launchpad is one of the main deployments
[18:19] <maveze> hi, can anyone help me with this error i got about dpkg-shlibdeps in my PPA?
[18:20] <maveze> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libgstinterfaces-0.10.so.0 needed by...(ELF format: 'elf32-i386'; RPATH: '').


[11:55] <solarcloud_3scrn> Hey hey hey ... There was an Ubuntu-gaming meeting last night in this #channel ... What is happpening [??] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/Ubuntu%20gaming%20meeting%20www.ubuntu-gaming.launchpad.net%2C%20Monthly%20on%20the%20Forth%20Sunday%20%28Dec%29.png (Open .PNG Link in browser)
[19:50]  * solarcloud is away: /me requires JuanValdez. BRBack...  now for that tin ...