[03:46] <superfly> o/
[06:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:12] <inetpro> oh and hi superfly as well
[06:15] <nsnzero> morning inetpro and everyone else
[07:04] <theblazehen> Hi superfly, inetpro, nsnzero and others
[07:08] <nsnzero> morning theblazehen
[07:17] <nsnzero> i dont  think virtual box supports adding of a physical hdd
[07:18] <MaNI> through the UI I think not, it might be possible via command line
[07:18] <MaNI> most of these virt systems can do a bunch of stuff that isn't in the UI - UI only handles common cases
[07:24] <nsnzero> morning MaNI
[07:25] <nsnzero> that is correct mani - its a command line only procedure
[07:26] <nsnzero> but i added it as a shared folder - lets try that out
[07:42] <theblazehen> It "just works" in kvm :)
[07:43] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Can't you add say /dev/sdb as a raw disk image ?
[07:57] <andrewlsd> o/ mornings all.
[07:58] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: afaik with VirtualBox you create a virtual disk that basically contains a reference to the physical disk
[07:58] <theblazehen> hi andrewlsd. Right I remember that now
[07:58] <andrewlsd> the nice thing about that, is that you can limit the partitions the VM is aware of
[07:59] <theblazehen> I used that when I used windows for the gpu driver support, and ran everything with a windows X server and linux in a virtualbox vm using the X server on windows. Fun fact: Xming even supports opengl
[07:59] <andrewlsd> but you stilll have the danger that VM user will go, "Oh, we have lots of free drive space" and expand the partition/filesystem in the guest causing some horrendous problems
[07:59] <theblazehen> Performance was decent
[08:00] <theblazehen> I might even say better for some applications than linux directly
[08:55]  * chesedo just decided to view the source of this page ->http://www.dirco.gov.za/ ... /me now torn between laughing and crying
[08:58] <MaNI> just embrace it and do both
[08:59] <MaNI> urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office - I lied, pour acid on your eyes quickly
[08:59] <chesedo> MaNI: it gets worse below...
[09:00] <chesedo> css link points to a hard-drive a few lines futher...
[09:01] <chesedo> head gets closed, then a new body opens...
[09:01] <chesedo> later a new body opens again in a table...
[09:02] <MaNI> fun times
[09:02] <MaNI> This site is best viewed using 800 x 600 resolution with Internet Explorer 5.0
[09:03] <chesedo> then the final kicker... scroll to the bottom and read... yeah that ^
[09:03] <MaNI> favicon also has white blurs around it
[09:06] <theblazehen> I just saw https://postoffice.co.za/ doesn't have a trusted cert...
[09:06] <theblazehen> It is signed by a CA. That isn't trusted in browsers by default...
[09:07] <MaNI> on the plus side at least they have kept the same site since 2003, and haven't paid some webdev firm millions to do a new one (thats just a 5 minute wordpress job)
[09:10] <chesedo> lol, wonder how many chrome and firefox users know how to get past that warning
[09:10] <chesedo> MaNI: then i also wonder how much they pay who ever to update that thing
[09:13] <chesedo> for something created in 2003, it makes 94 requests and downloads a total of 2.4Mb
[09:13]  * theblazehen debates breaking in and getting them a lets encrypt cert :p
[09:15] <theblazehen> Seriously, why does the post office need to run their own CA?
[09:16] <chesedo> theblazehen: be carefull, they might think that error means it is already hacked!!
[09:16] <theblazehen> chesedo: heh
[09:18] <theblazehen> 					<input name="txtItemID" type="text" value="'"*)(\n\r\'\"" id="txtItemID" onkeydown="this.value=this.value.replace('<','');this.value=this.value.replace('>','')" style="width:400px;" />
[09:18] <theblazehen> You have *got* to be kidding me
[09:19]  * chesedo rofl
[10:05] <MaNI> why are good sata cables so hard to find, this is the third time I've had a sata cable issue now
[10:14] <theblazehen> MaNI: Where are you getting your cables? Mine work fine almost always
[10:14] <MaNI> can't remember where I got this last set from, might have been wootware or takealot
[10:15] <theblazehen> IIRC got some from wootware that sucked, but cables that I got with motherboard / SSDs etc have been fine
[10:15] <MaNI> keep getting:
[10:15] <MaNI> [141247.183982] ata2.00: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x10000000 SErr 0x90202 action 0xe frozen
[10:15] <MaNI> [141247.183993] ata2: hard resetting link
[10:15] <MaNI> which I'm pretty sure is caused by a bad cable and not my actual sata controller
[10:16] <MaNI> I specifically got these expensive ones at some point, because I had cheap ones before and after spending ages tracking down what I thought was an xfs bug it turned out to be the cable
[10:17] <theblazehen> Ah, yeah. IIRC I had that when one cable was a bit too close to GPU, and chance it's something like that?
[10:17] <MaNI> this case is big and has those routing holes so doesn't go near any cards, I suppose theres a chance that all the power cables for the drives are interfering though
[10:18] <MaNI> still that means the SATA cable has junk shielding then I guess - I mean that shouldn't be a thing
[10:19] <MaNI> cable for the problem drive does indeed run much closer to the power supply cables than the other sata cables that don't have issues
[10:20] <theblazehen> https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/a/2063 nice
[10:20] <MaNI> guess I'll try route it through a higher up hole and see what happens
[10:21] <theblazehen> Yeah. How long does it take to reset the link?
[10:22] <MaNI> seems to be roughly every 30 minutes or so
[10:23] <theblazehen> And how long does IO block then? Eg, is it actually causing an issue when you're using your pc?
[10:24] <MaNI> nope, comes back almost immediately
[10:24] <MaNI> just don't like the power cycling noise I'm hearing from the drive
[10:25] <theblazehen> Ah. Heh. I don't really notice it. Can't even hear any hard drives over noise from server :p
[11:34] <theblazehen> http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html
[12:31] <nsnzero> have a good afternoon everyone
[17:31] <nsnzero> evening all
[17:59] <theblazehen> hi nsnzero
[17:59] <nsnzero> evening theblazehen
[17:59] <nsnzero> how are you doing ?
[18:12] <theblazehen> good ty, and you nsnzero?
[18:17] <nsnzero> its cold today
[18:19] <theblazehen> yeah
[18:29] <nsnzero> going to bed early tonight
[18:29] <nsnzero> have a good night all


[14:08] <mukul> hi
[14:11] <dfarning> mukul, hello
[14:13] <mukul> dfarning, Everytime I ssh into sunjammer and type bipmkpw and enter my password I get a different hash. Why is it so?
[15:11] <mukul> hi alsroot
[15:12] <alsroot> mukul: hi
[15:12] <mukul> alsroot: Please check your mail.
[15:13] <alsroot> mukul: could you forward it to sugar-devel@ as well
[15:16] <alsroot> mukul: also attach [DESIGN] tag to email to sugar-devel@, it would be useful to hear designers notes
[15:19] <mukul> alsroot, but mistakenly I sent the message before your message relating to the DESIGN tag :( . Will that be alright or should I resend the message?
[15:20] <alsroot> mukul: never mind then
[15:54] <mukul> alsroot, but how will a variable flag retain its value.
[15:55] <alsroot> mukul: you can you object level variable, i.e. self._alter_already_shown
[15:55] <alsroot> *you can use
[16:12] <mukul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/497054/ Is this how it should be done?
[16:12] <mukul> alsroot, I have entered a statement self._FLAG=1 at the top of the file
[16:12] <mukul> alsroot, It does not yield the desired result
[16:15] <alsroot> mukul: but in your code, self._FLAG will be all time 0 after leaving "if .free_space <.."
[16:16] <alsroot> mukul: the idea was set to non 0 if alert was already shown
[16:17] <alsroot> mukul: hmm, or default self._FLAG value is 1?
[16:17] <ishan> alsroot, the changes are working fine
[16:17] <alsroot> mukul: btw better to initialize object vars in __init__
[16:18] <mukul> I entered self._FLAG=1 at the top of the file. Shouldnt it be the default value
[16:18] <alsroot> ishan: could you pastebin your patch
[16:18] <ishan> alsroot, havent created the patch yet
[16:19] <ishan> but the changes are working fine
[16:19] <alsroot> mukul: better to have more inormative names rather then just "flag"
[16:19] <ishan> actually i was making some mistake in the code i was writing
[16:33] <ishan> alsroot, check http://pastebin.com/wCnCsCK8
[16:33]  * ishan is away for dinner
[16:33] <mukul_afk> alsroot, Whenever I make any changes to the file journalactivity.py the journal does not appear. Why is it so
[16:34] <alsroot> mukul_afk: could be python errors, check shell.log
[16:35] <dfarning> mukul, I reset you hash.
[16:35] <dfarning> does it work now?
[16:35] <mukul> dfarning, Yes it works fine now
[16:35] <alsroot> mukul: a couple of notes, better to wrap cursor setting to try..except block
[16:37] <dfarning> mukul, +1 with regard to getting a different hash everytime.... http://www.15seconds.com/issue/000217.htm
[16:37] <alsroot> mukul: also, in most cases you won't see busy cursor because you set it in one glib loop iteration, you need to set cursor to busy and call the rest of code in idle_add handler (see gtk/pytgtk docs)
[19:59] <lfaraone> dfarning: btw, several additional packages were recently synced, so we can probably add them to the package list.
[20:07] <dfarning> manusheel, ^^ can you ask neeraj to rebuild usr-meta with the new packages.
[22:10] <manusheel> dfarning: Sure. I'll ask him.
[22:53] <neeraj_> dfarning, can u add sugar-record-activity and sugar-irc-activity to http://usr.sugarlabs.org/seeds/ubuntu-sugar-remix.maverick/ubuntu-sugar-remix
[22:54] <neeraj_> only these two activities seems to be present in maverick but not in the usr-meta package acco to http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/multidistrotools/sugar.html
[22:56] <dfarning> neeraj_, done


[12:24] <RikMills> [13:13:35]<sil2100> Hello flavors! I have a request: could you test out our current dailies on available hardware? We want to make sure the new shim is safe to go to -updates, and for this we'd like to know if the current version works on most of the hardware (both the installer media and the actual installed system)
[12:24] <RikMills> [13:14:08]<sil2100> Correction: current focal dailies
[12:24] <RikMills> ^^ from #ubuntu-flavors


[07:45] <Burgundavia> jbailey, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70266
[07:59] <ajmitch> the mysterious ubuntu-faqguide?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> no idea
[08:40] <mdke> hi
[08:41] <ajmitch> hi mdke
[08:41] <mdke> how are things?
[08:41] <ajmitch> good
[08:49] <mdke> rob^, no changing anything in the faqguide now ;)
[08:53] <mdke> jbailey, you rock, thanks for doing all those translations
[09:40] <jsgotangco> hi mdke
[09:41] <mdke> hello mate
[09:42] <jsgotangco> i had a long chat with JaneW about this last night
[09:42] <mdke> ok i had a chat with mdz
[09:42] <mdke> he said that JaneW was confused
[09:42] <mdke> i don't know whether they are changing the doc or not!
[09:43] <mdke> you know what is going on?
[09:43] <jsgotangco> i have no idea either
[09:44] <jsgotangco> i'll be very very pissed if they changed the doc
[09:45] <mdke> me too
[09:45] <mdke> i have busted my ass with the translations
[09:45] <jsgotangco> well yes
[09:45] <jsgotangco> and the translator's effort as well
[09:45] <jsgotangco> so i hope they won't change it
[09:45] <jsgotangco> and just plan ahead
[09:45] <mdke> me too
[09:46] <mdke> jbailey has also put in a lot of work
[09:46] <mdke> as from last night, the translations should be in breezy
[09:47] <jsgotangco> i wasn't able to stay long yesterday because my wife's uncle died and we had to go
[09:47] <mdke> ouch
[09:47] <mdke> sorry to hear that
[09:47] <jsgotangco> im actually away but i manage to find an open wifi router
[09:47] <jsgotangco> i'm actually almost near the roof at the moment
[09:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:48] <jsgotangco> mdke, np mate, the guy was very very old and bedridden for the past months
[09:48] <mdke> ok
[09:50] <jsgotangco> mdke, these last minute changes only show how much planning are dedicated to docs by ubuntu itself :)
[09:53] <mdke> indeed
[09:53] <mdke> well to be fair, the whole distro has had last minute changes
[09:53] <jsgotangco> well yes of course
[09:54] <jsgotangco> we had a rough development cycle
[09:54] <jsgotangco> me and sean were talking about it 2 days ago over jabber
[09:54] <mdke> have you updated recently? I'm interested in knowing whether the translations are working
[09:55] <jsgotangco> im updating now
[09:55] <jsgotangco> i have a localised system at home and will try it when i get back
[09:56] <mdke> cool
[09:56] <mdke> ok i have to get to work
[02:10] <jbailey> g'm
[02:12] <jjesse> good morning
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[02:13] <mdke> hey jbailey
[02:13] <mdke> jbailey, awesome work yesterday. Today brings a couple of bugs in ubuntu-docs
[02:13] <jbailey> mdke: I know about the entity errors.  Any others?
[02:14] <jbailey> I also still couldn't get pt to work right although pt_BR does.
[02:14] <mdke> jbailey, the other one I filed is the erroneous name for the faqguide
[02:14] <jbailey> Err.
[02:14] <jbailey> Did I get it wrong, or are you proposing a string change? =)
[02:15] <mdke> no, no
[02:15] <mdke> jbailey, the omf file
[02:15] <jbailey> Right.
[02:15] <mdke> jbailey, we didn't like the word "unofficial"
[02:15] <jbailey> But that's still a string.
[02:15] <mdke> ah
[02:15] <mdke> not allowed?
[02:15] <jbailey> Almost certainly.
[02:15] <mdke> i changed it and committed, so better undo it if that is a problem
[02:16] <mdke> the "unofficial" thing was a hangup from the hoary version
[02:16] <jbailey> 'k
[02:16] <jbailey> Ah, yeah.
[02:16] <mdke> it's a problem? you can't upload that?
[02:17] <jbailey> Right.  The deadline for DocumentationStringFreeze was Sept 8.
[02:17] <jbailey> I'd get larted for doing it now.
[02:17] <mdke> jbailey, although taking a flexible interpretation of that freeze, it was to enable translations to be done. The omf files are not getting translated
[02:18] <jbailey> Although many of them already are.
[02:18] <mdke> really?
[02:18] <jbailey> Yeah.
[02:18] <mdke> that must be from hoary too i guess
[02:18] <jbailey> Yeah.
[02:18] <mdke> ok your call on that
[02:18] <jbailey> And if I had been clever I could've done the ones last night.
[02:18] <jbailey> I think the string also appears in the .xml file
[02:19] <jbailey> So I should be able to pick up the translation from there.
[02:19] <mdke> i doubt it
[02:19] <jbailey> Not the 'Unofficial' one.
[02:19] <jbailey> But the 'About Ubuntu' does.
[02:19] <mdke> oh yeah sure
[02:19] <mdke> i still don't think the string freeze applies to those omf files
[02:20] <mdke> but i'll leave it with you
[02:20] <mdke> it's not a major issue, the entity thing is major
[02:20] <jbailey> Right.
[02:20] <jbailey> The Entity thing is a bug.
[02:20] <jbailey> I can fix that now. =)
[02:20] <mdke> what is up with that?
[02:20] <mdke> global.ent is in the wrong place?
[02:20] <jbailey> Right.
[02:20] <jbailey> It's looking for things in
[02:20] <jbailey> "../../common"
[02:21] <mdke> yeah
[02:21] <mdke> ok, the other bug is that the legal stuff doesn't show up in the faqguide
[02:21] <jbailey> I have to look up if there's a search base or something I can use.
[02:21] <jbailey> Likfe the FDL and such?
[02:21] <mdke> yah
[02:21] <jbailey> Symptom of problem #1
[02:21] <jbailey> =)
[02:21] <mdke> it's in this bit:
[02:21] <mdke> 	<xi:include href="../../../common/C/ccbysa.xml" xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/>
[02:21] <mdke> 	<xi:include href="../../../common/C/fdl.xml" xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/>
[02:21] <mdke> 	<!-- &cc-by-sa;
[02:22] <mdke> 	&fdl; -->
[02:22] <jbailey> Your best bet if you want that string changed is to put an item in for the TB next Tuesday
[02:22] <mdke> same bug really
[02:22] <mdke> the "unofficial" string?
[02:22] <jbailey> Get them to rule on what's covered by StringFreeze and what's not.
[02:22] <jbailey> Right.
[02:22] <mdke> ok
[02:22] <mdke> will do
[02:22] <mdke> how about the legal bug, is that fixable?
[02:26] <segfault> i installed the new ubuntu-docs today
[02:27] <segfault> it showed pt_BR ok, however there was no ubuntu image, when i clicked in "About Ubuntu"
[02:28] <segfault> besides, we should tell people to add their translations of "About Ubuntu" in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTranslations
[02:28] <mdke> jbailey, i can confirm that ^^
[02:28] <mdke> missing image bug
[02:28] <jbailey> Right.
[02:28] <jbailey> I'll see if I can fix that.
[02:28] <segfault> since it looks like they'll freeze that today
[02:29] <jbailey> segfault: Too late for more translations.  Freeze was yesterday
[02:29] <segfault> humm, Mirv told me that was still in time
[02:29] <mdke> yeah you can do them
[02:29] <mdke> segfault, it applies to translations of .desktop files only
[02:29] <mdke> not docs
[02:30] <segfault> is that possible to have a translated image of Ubuntu in pt_BR?
[02:30] <jbailey> Probably not at this point, sorry.
[02:30] <mdke> no, best to use the original image
[02:30] <jbailey> We have no way of really doing translated images.
[02:30] <segfault> mdke: sure, but since people translated the about-ubuntu doc, i guess they would like to se the desktop entry translated too
[02:31] <mdke> segfault, yes, that is up to them, I have no way to communicate this further
[02:31] <segfault> np
[02:34] <jbailey> Time for usual morning prep.  bbiab
[05:14] <jsgotangco> mdke: =)
[05:21] <jsgotangco> hey jbailey
[05:38] <jsgotangco> jbailey: ping?
[05:39] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Pong.
[05:39] <jsgotangco> jbailey: did something bad happen again?
[05:39] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Dude, it's software development.
[05:39] <jbailey> Something bad is *always* happening. =)
[05:39] <jsgotangco> because im getting the smackdown from ogra and i have no idea what happened
[05:40] <jbailey> Eh? Where from?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> ogra: jsgotangco, i'm pretty annoyed that i have to redo the edubuntu-artwork package completely and i didnt have time planned for that... there were heavy changes to this doc that split it up into several other documents ...
[05:41] <jbailey> Lemme ask him and find out what's up...
[05:41] <jsgotangco> because i have no clue really
[05:42] <jsgotangco> we did our part
[06:03] <jsgotangco> hi jjesse
[06:03] <jjesse> hello jsgotangco
[06:30] <jbailey> Anyone here care about a change I'm proposing for the files?  Right now we look for images and such in "../..", etc..
[06:31] <jbailey> I'm thinking that I will replace that with a ROOTPATH entity
[06:31] <jbailey> That way it can be changed between local generation and package generation.
[06:32] <jsgotangco> it makes things easier huh
[06:32] <jbailey> I think it will.
[06:32] <jbailey> Or it could be the whole path is better.
[06:33] <jbailey> so &imagepath;
[06:33] <jsgotangco> does it still require locales to have their own copies?
[06:33] <jbailey> Or something like that.
[06:33] <jbailey> Tell me what the right thing is. =)
[06:34] <jbailey> I can easily take the &language; out of the string.
[06:34] <jbailey> I don't know if I can make it pick dynamically if an image is either localised or not.
[06:34] <jbailey> Right now we have things lke:
[06:34] <jbailey>                 <imagedata fileref="../../images/&language;/UbuntuLogo.png" format="PNG"/>
[06:35] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:36] <jbailey> What would you like it to be?
[06:37] <jsgotangco> what is your recommendation? I'd rather have it just simply /images/foo or at least ./images/foo
[06:39] <jbailey> Sure.  It depends if the images are common or not.
[06:39] <jbailey> I need to grab food.  Will you be around in 30m or so?
[06:40] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:40] <jsgotangco> i'll wait
[06:40] <jbailey> Thanks, sorry.  I realised that I hadn't had lunch and was getting spacy
[06:41] <jsgotangco> no problem
[06:41] <jsgotangco> im trying to learn esperanto
[06:41] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, sup
[06:49] <mdke> jdub, pong?
[06:49] <jdub> mdke: the about page in docteam svn is mark's text, innit?
[06:49] <mdke> jdub, yes, the one in the breezy branch
[06:49] <mdke> jdub, y you ask?
[06:50] <jdub> yeah
[06:50] <jdub> tops
[06:50] <jdub> just checking
[06:50] <mdke> putting it back in -artwork?
[06:50] <jdub> lord no
[06:50] <jdub> :-)
[06:50] <mdke> phew
[06:50] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:50] <jdub> more defending my arse
[06:50] <mdke> jdub, ah
[06:50] <mdke> mark wrote it
[06:50] <mdke> we did a few typo corrections
[06:50] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:50] <mdke> otherwise it is all his
[06:50] <mdke> :)
[06:51] <jsgotangco> he played around with the existing test and added more stuff
[06:51] <jsgotangco> mdke: nothing much just messing around with rosetta
[06:51] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:51] <jsgotangco> i actually translated the doc to en_UK
[06:51] <jsgotangco> hehhee
[06:51] <mdke> argh
[06:51] <mdke> is tagalog done?
[06:51] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:51] <mdke> cool
[06:52] <mdke> did it make it into the distro?
[06:52] <jsgotangco> afaik yes
[06:52] <mdke> cool
[06:52] <mdke> pm btw
[06:55] <jsgotangco> mdke: can you review how good my en_UK is
[06:55] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:55] <mdke> i can't confirm translations in en_UK
[06:55] <jsgotangco> there's a team????
[06:55] <mdke> i'm not in the group, if there is one
[06:55] <mdke> doubt there is one
[06:55] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:56] <mdke> i hope not, anyhow
[06:56] <mdke> i'll have a look later
[06:56] <jsgotangco> hehe don't take it seriously
[06:56] <jsgotangco> after all rob^ started translating to en_AU
[06:56] <mdke> ;)
[06:57] <mdke> gtg home
[06:57] <mdke> laters
[07:30] <jsgotangco> jbailey: i gotta sleep
[07:31] <jsgotangco> feel free to email the list if no one here can answer/help you