[03:54] <kb9vqf> Never happened under Jaunty, Intrepid, or Hardy
[03:54] <dhaivat_> is 9.10 stable enough for use?
[03:54] <scunizi> dhaivat_: yes..
[03:54] <sebsebseb> dhaivat_: depends on hardware and such
[03:55] <mahngiel> how do i fix a warning on my Reallocated Sector Count?
[03:55] <Crash8308> um, it was not a matter of opinion... I mean is there a game out there that shows the graphical capabilities of linux?
[03:55] <mahngiel> is that basically a defrag problem?
[03:55] <Crash8308> Mahngiel: no
[03:55] <sebsebseb> dhaivat_: if your on 9.04,  may as well just stay with that untill 10.04,  since there isn't really anything ground braking in 9.10.  plus  if you try and upgrade from 9.04, you might get issues
[03:55] <aalex> Is it a good idea to upgrade from 8.04 -> 8.10 -> 9.04 -> 9.10 ?
[03:55] <decora> dhaivat_: just google "9.10 problems"
[03:55] <ardchoille> mahngiel: There's mo meed to defrag
[03:55] <Crash8308> reallocating sectors is due to hard drive sector failures
[03:56] <sebsebseb> aalex: probably not as such
[03:56] <ardchoille> s/meed/need/
[03:56] <sebsebseb> aalex: ,bcause read what I just put to dhaivat_  ,but also if you wait untill 10.04 you can upgrade directly from 8.04 to it
[03:56] <sebsebseb> aalex: you won't get Grub 2 or Ext4 on upgrade though
[03:56] <scunizi> aalex: if you want you can wait like me.. I've got 8.10 on a desktop and it works fine.. 8.04 on a lappy (the one I'm on) and it's stable.. neither will be upgraded until 10.04.1
[03:56] <mahngiel> i read up on that. probably just due to old age?
[03:57] <Arsin> How can I reset my firmware in Ubuntu on my iPod?
[03:57] <git__> rest firmware *
[03:58] <ardchoille> mahngiel: The system takes care of the "housekeeping" for you
[03:58] <decora> example: this person above whose sound died on 9.10 in a compaq 6230 laptop.
[03:58] <Crash8308> mahngiel: your harddrive needs to be replaced if it is reallocating sectors
[03:59] <mahngiel> ardchoille: ok, thanks. just kinda lookin around. just poking in stuff. i have only 5 bad sectors, and it's a 5 yr old hdd
[03:59] <Crash8308> mahngiel: your HDD has spare sectors for this very reason
[03:59] <raja> GUYS do not use. the default EXT4 file system on 9.10. do a manual partitioning and USE EXT3. EXT4 corrupts big files. here is the link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/453579
[03:59] <aalex> sebsebseb: the drivers my wifi card seems less crashy on 9.04, so I am happy I ve upgraded so far.
[03:59] <sebsebseb> raja: uhmm
[04:00] <sebsebseb> raja: that used to be the case,  as for now not quite sure
[04:00] <Crash8308> raja: interesting, I use XFS anyways, more stable
[04:00] <sebsebseb> raja: Ext4 is fine for most people in 9.10 though
[04:00] <sebsebseb> that have been using it
[04:00] <mahngiel> Crash8388: makes sense why only 95% of your HDD is actually useable. i'm just breaking free of the windows mentality to "defragment"
[04:00] <sebsebseb> raja: in fact I haven't seen anyone complain in here about an Ext4 in 9.10 issue, if I remember correctly
[04:00] <reactor_> ?
[04:00] <Crash8308> mahngiel: actually
[04:00] <dibblego> what program can encode my 3x4GB .dv files to mpeg or avi?
[04:00] <Crash8308> mahngiel: the reason you don't see all of your space is due to the file system taking up that space
[04:01] <raja> i just lost 2 videos yesterday. after a reboot. its in ubuntu 9.10 it will corrupt big files before you even know it. so be safe not sorry. i rolled back to ext3 today
[04:01] <dAlfa89_> Now I know how much you guys hate Wubi, but why is it not uninstalling? Everything goes, but it's still throwing the entry at boot, reinstalling doesn't fix it, it just boots to an orangey picture, doing nothing
[04:01] <kb9vqf> raja: Hard reboot?
[04:01] <scunizi> dibblego: avidimux, devede, handbreak
[04:01] <dibblego> scunizi, thanks
[04:01] <sebsebseb> raja: 9.04 is where Ext4 is a bit dodgy, because of the kernel and such, but  I didn't get problems :)
[04:01] <Crash8308> mahngiel: all of the sectors that are set aside for bad sectors are not counted as usable space by the HDD manufacturer
[04:01] <raja> nope just a regular reboot
[04:01] <dhaivat_> ext4 still has lots of problems. don't switch.
[04:01] <raja> EXT4 might corrupt big files.
[04:01] <scunizi> dibblego: also check out www.getdeb.net for LiVeS!
[04:01] <sebsebseb> dhaivat_: Ext4 will be even more stable in 10.04 :)
[04:02] <mahngiel> Crash8308: right, like why i buy a 60g hdd and only 58 is useable
[04:02] <Crash8308> sxrew ext all together, go with XFS
[04:02] <raja> sebsebseb its under release notes on 9.10 .. its a well known problem
[04:02] <sebsebseb> Crash8308: well that can be done as well, but  most people using Ubuntu will be using Ext
[04:02] <sebsebseb> raja: I read that before, but do the release notes get updated hmm
[04:02] <mahngiel> Crash8308: or why that 60g is really 62.4
[04:02] <owl_> is there any way to exclude my cd drive from boot time probes?
[04:02] <sebsebseb> raja: when were they last updated etc etc
[04:02] <scunizi> Crash8308: I've found reiserFS to work well with sata drives..
[04:02] <git__> remove the cd boot time option
[04:03] <raja> sebsebseb they were last updated last week
[04:03] <plouffe> Is pulseaudio still required on 9.04 (64bitAmd)?
[04:03] <sebsebseb> raja: also  when I read it, it said there might be an issue
[04:03] <git__> scunizi, reiserfs is no longer supported
[04:03] <sebsebseb> raja: they were investigating a possible issue, or whatever it said
[04:03] <owl_> do you know how?
[04:03] <scunizi> git__: oh well.. hopefully it'll be picked up by someone..
[04:03] <raja> its up to you man.. but i did what i can iand i warned people. because i just got 2 files corrupted yesterday. 2 videos
[04:03]  * kb9vqf thanks raja
[04:04] <scottandmonique> is anyone using Ushare
[04:04] <sebsebseb> raja: I did a test between  Ext3 and Ext4  for 9.10.   since with  / in 9.04 and Ext4 things really do speed up, the boot up, shut down, and disk checking
[04:04] <scottandmonique> or moovidia
[04:04] <owl_> because it keeps giving these time consuming error messages, and i wondered if i could just disable the cd drive until its fixed
[04:04] <sebsebseb> raja: with 9.10 it didn't seem to make a difference
[04:04] <scottandmonique> wine doors
[04:04] <dhaivat_> is there a bittorrent link for 9.10 ubuntu?
[04:04] <git__> ext4 isn't really enterprise ready
[04:04] <raja> i know ext3 and ext4 doesnt have much doff in speed on 9.10 thast why i rolled back to ext3 and not lose more files
[04:04] <keiya_> Ugh, email is a mess: trying to go to client-sever-server-client with protocols and tools designed for both-both communicatiton is... not fun >_<
[04:04] <scottandmonique> the questions being asked are lame
[04:05] <dhaivat_> ext3 is awesome and stable
[04:05] <scunizi> dhaivat_: yep.. it's on the main ubuntu.com site..
[04:05] <sebsebseb> !download | dhaivat_
[04:05] <git__> u either have to use jfs or xfs or oracle fs if u gonna do enterprise work
[04:05] <mahngiel> !torrents | dhaivat_
[04:05] <dragon> is it reasonable to run karmic-desktop amd64 with 2GB RAM?
[04:05] <dhaivat_> !torrents
[04:05] <git__> ext3 is awesome and stable for desktop use
[04:05] <dhaivat_> !torrents | dhaivat_
[04:05] <scottandmonique> anyone sucessfull in there samba setup can there xp machine see the shared ubuntu folder
[04:05] <scunizi> dragon: sure
[04:05] <dhaivat_> !torrents | dhaivat_
[04:05] <git__> when u get to very intensive multimedia app, ext3 FLUNKS
[04:05] <dragon> scunizi: what'd the performance be like?
[04:05] <sebsebseb> git__: XFS has the the Ext4 advantages or so they say, and it's been around for years and years
[04:05] <dAlfa89_> scottandmonique, I got mine working, what's the problem?
[04:06] <viejotren> hi, i have a problem with the installation using my pendrive, in fact the problem is with ubuntustudio, the installation is always looking for a cd drive, is there a way to deactivate this?
[04:06] <decora> scott: yeah.... can you browse to the linux machine at all?
[04:06] <dragon> scunizi: forgot to mention, it's a pentium 4
[04:06] <dhaivat_> !torrents | dhaivat
[04:06] <raja> Anyone with crackling/scratching/poping  noises on a laptop or desktop try this it fixed my audio for me. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1335045
[04:06] <scunizi> dragon: a pentium 4 isn't 64 bit compatible.. get the 32 bit
[04:06] <mahngiel> !alsa | raja
[04:07] <dragon> scunizi: mine seems to work with amd64 LiveUSB for some reason.
[04:07] <git__> mplayer is the best player to play any video files
[04:07] <git__> except for the new asf
[04:07] <dragon> scunizi: I've already confirmed the presence of "lm" in /proc/cpuinfo
[04:08] <scunizi> dragon: it's not a dual core though.. it does have hyperthreading though..
[04:08] <viejotren> is there any way to deactivate the cd drive check in ubuntu studio?
[04:08] <Arsin> How can I reset my firmware in Ubuntu on my iPod?
[04:08] <decora> what is ubuntu studio?
[04:08] <git__> ubuntu studio is a development env running under ubuntu
[04:08] <switch263> hm. no repair option on the CD.
[04:08] <decora> lol whys it check the CD drive?
[04:08] <dragon> scunizi: yes, but will it affect my ability to run 64-bit on it?
[04:09] <scunizi> dragon: if it works.. go for it.. 2 gigs of ram should be enough
[04:09] <dragon> scunizi: ok, thanks :)
[04:09] <dhaivat_> is there a way to install 9.10 without ext4 instead with ext3?
[04:09] <viejotren> in the installation process of ubuntu studio always try to use the cd drive as the source media
[04:09] <viejotren> i dont have a cd drive
[04:09] <decora> viejotren: long shot.... is your CDROM commented out of /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:09] <viejotren> that is because I can't install it
[04:10] <viejotren> no decora
[04:10] <viejotren> wait
[04:10] <viejotren> I'm in the installation process
[04:10] <viejotren> in this part
[04:10] <mahngiel> ardchoille: i installed enlightenment's window manager, but i don't see anything different. how can i check which win mgr i'm using?
[04:10] <stevo> how do i create another user?
[04:10] <viejotren> always said that i need a cd drive
[04:10] <dhaivat_> !fluxbox
[04:10] <viejotren> and I'm using a pen drive
[04:10] <dhaivat_> !ke
[04:10] <dhaivat_> !kde
[04:11] <dhaivat_> !kde
[04:11] <stevo> !shutup
[04:11] <mahngiel> !e16
[04:11] <dhaivat_> I'm just trying to find out info!
[04:11] <mahngiel> !enlightenment
[04:11] <dhaivat_> sheesh!
[04:11] <dhaivat_> !Kubuntu
[04:11] <dhaivat_> !metacity
[04:12] <stevo> can anyone help me herE?
[04:12] <Random832> dhaivat, you can /msg it to the bot directly
[04:12] <decora> viejotren: my first guess would be to drop to a shell and redirect your cdrom device to /dev/null or something
[04:12] <viejotren> in the ubuntustudio channel I didn't get any support
[04:12] <mahngiel> i installed enlightenment (v16) and uninst. metacity, i don't see any difference
[04:12] <dhaivat_> what IS metacity? I don't really get how GTK and metacity and such tie together...
[04:12] <Taim> !botabuse | dhaivat_
[04:12] <Random832> dhaivat, it's a window manager - the app that draws the frames around the windows and controls moving and resizing
[04:12] <mahngiel> metacity is the window manager that comes with gnome
[04:12] <mohan2> @All, Hi friends
[04:12] <changeofheart> Im back!!!
[04:12] <mahngiel> hey mohan2
[04:13] <nbros652> stevo: System -> Administration -> Users and groups
[04:13] <mahngiel> wb
[04:13] <seidos> laptop battery charge isn't reported correctly?
[04:13] <viejotren> decora, redirecting the cd drive to /dev/null how the kernel will understand this?
[04:13] <decora> viejotren: if possible see if you can figure out which commands are probing for CD, and somehow trick them
[04:13] <dhaivat_> one last lookup for ubottu
[04:13] <dhaivat_> !python
[04:13] <mohan2> I want talking dictionary I had installed stardict but it's not working for me. It there any alternative s/w of talking dictionary.
[04:13] <dhaivat_> !perl
[04:14] <mahngiel> !flood | dhaivat_
[04:14] <dAlfa89_> Now I know how much you guys hate Wubi, but why is it not uninstalling? Everything goes, but it's still throwing the entry at boot, reinstalling doesn't fix it, it just boots to an orangey picture, doing nothing
[04:14] <Taim> dhaivat_: Please use ubottu's advice regarding how to use ubottu.
[04:14] <stevo> how about in kubuntu, nbros652
[04:15] <Zsoci> hi there
[04:15] <decora> viejotren: i dont know how ubuntustudio probes your cdroms, but the idea is to fake it , i dont know exactly how.. it depends on what detection routine it is using
[04:15] <mahngiel> is there a terminal entry to find out which Win Mgr i'm using?
[04:15] <maxxist> quick question.  can someone suggest a good cli setup and general system config application that can be found in the repos?  something good to run on a ubuntu server through ssh.  just to make stuff a little simpler for me?
[04:16] <dhaivat_> sudo apt-get install ssh-server
[04:16] <viejotren> decora, I understand you, maybe something like emulate the cd rom right? but how?
[04:16] <dhaivat_> maxxist: sudo apt0get install ssh-server
[04:16] <Zsoci> i use ubuntu 9.10 Karmic 64bit,my problem is that something is wrong with Ramlog,can't install it
[04:16] <scunizi> dhaivat_: or simply sudo apt-get install ssh
[04:16] <git__> i hate commandline sudo apt-get install blah blah
[04:16] <dhaivat_> or yes what scunizi said
[04:16] <git__> why can't u just click and click
[04:16] <git__> and be done
[04:16] <viejotren> maybe passing some parameter to the kernel
[04:16] <scunizi> maxxist: or just ssh and you'll get the server and client
[04:16] <dhaivat_> command line is awesome. GUI is for n00bs (no flame war plz)
[04:16] <mahngiel> git__: then use synaptic
[04:17] <git__> or better yet ... have someone do it for u via IRC
[04:17] <decora> viejotren: do you have the specific error message it gives you?
[04:17] <scunizi> dhaivat_: maxxist and actually it will insall openssh server and client
[04:17] <dhaivat_> git___: that's really stupid and wastes time
[04:17] <nbros652> stevo: haven't really used Kubuntu much, but you should be able to add them through the command line if nothing else. Hang on a second while I try to recall the syntax
[04:17] <maxxist> i mean a menu system for general system administraion.  i know how to install ssh.
[04:17] <decora> mahngiel: no but pstree might help (look under x session)
[04:17] <viejotren> decora: yes, failed to load a cd drive, no was detected
[04:17] <git__> computer should be easy to use and automatic
[04:17] <viejotren> it seems that it's looking for
[04:17] <dhaivat_> maxxist: what do you want to do with it? I mean, for what tasks?
[04:18] <viejotren> maybe some /dev/cdrom
[04:18] <git__> is there a VM service for ubunut
[04:18] <dhaivat_> maxxist: if you want to write quick scripts to check on stuff, look at perl.
[04:18] <mohan2> @Have anyone look at my problem?
[04:18] <dhaivat_> what's your problem?
[04:18] <maxxist> dhaivat_: just general stuff.  like network, services and the like...
[04:18] <git__> i want to remotely try out Ubuntu 9.10
[04:18] <git__> how do i do it?
[04:19] <dhaivat_> maxxist: go to System-> administration and take your pick!
[04:19] <mohan2> @dhaivat I want talking dictionary I had installed stardict but it's not working for me. It there any alternative s/w of talking dictionary.
[04:19] <git__> without the need to download ISO
[04:19] <darkdelusions> git__: the best way is to get the live cd
[04:19] <scunizi> git__: remotely?  watch someone else run it on their computer
[04:19] <maxxist> dhaivat_: i mean using cli through ssh on a headless vm.  no X
[04:19] <git__> scunizi, more like spin up a VM
[04:19] <decora> viejotren: it all depends on how they are doing the detection. if you could get a logfile or something it would help
[04:19] <dhaivat_> maxxist: ah. x11 forwarding?
[04:20] <scunizi> git__: sure you could download an appliance.. or the iso and install into a vm.. you still need to download something.
[04:20] <viejotren> all right
[04:20] <nbros652> stevo: try typing 'man adduser' in  a terminal session. Scroll using arrow keys and quit with [shift]+[q]
[04:20] <cwillu_at_work> what background process would be writing "AT+GCAP" to a serial link (that most definitely isn't a modem)
[04:20] <git__> scunizi, heard of Citrix or RDP?
[04:20] <dhaivat_> maxxist: learn all the basic cli network tools like ifconfig and such and that's all that the actual gui tools use most of the time.
[04:20] <git__> not sure how comparable vnc is to rdp
[04:20] <cwillu_at_work> it's garbling the commands I'm trying to send to an embedded processor, and making me want to throw things through windows :p
[04:20] <nbros652> stevo: that should give you all the syntax to add a new user.
[04:20] <dhaivat_> mohan0: check out dictionarist.com
[04:21] <mohan2> okay
[04:21] <decora> viejotren: are you using 9.10? maybe older version will work
[04:21] <scunizi> git__: sure.. don't know anyone with either setup for you to run remotely though.. rdp could be done by anyone running ubuntu if they wanted to give you access..
[04:21] <emergion> hello could someone please help me I had this page looking ok the other day in ie6 and now it looks like this. http://tpw.buzbox.net/?option=com_theperfectwave&view=product&cid=40 can anyone notice anything obvious I may have done for this to happen. it is really giving me a hard time. Thanks.
[04:21] <decora>  viejotren no im not here tomorrow sorry
[04:21] <raja>  Anyone with crackling/scratching/poping  noises on a laptop or desktop try this it fixed my audio for me. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1335045
[04:22] <mohan2> @dhaivat I need standard alone application, not webbased
[04:22] <Guest81841> regarding the ext4 problem -- 5 out of 5 files 2Gb+ check ok -- still considering to revert back to ext3 -- is it possible that files get damaged during ext4 - ext3 conversion?
[04:22] <josephnexus> i just helped a friend upgrade her dell laptop to karmic and all appeared to have gone well
[04:22] <dhaivat_> mohan2: why doesn't stardict work?
[04:22] <decora> Guest81841: always backup before doing any filesystem conversion
[04:22] <scunizi> git__: I heard at one point you could log into a test system on Amazon's EC2 .. but that was a while ago
[04:23] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/484677
[04:23] <DanaG> hmm, is THAT why my login is so slow?
[04:23] <josephnexus> after some time of using though, we've noticed that the touchpad and the keyboard stop working for a few minutes and then they start working again... lights flash and such on the led above the keyboard (apparently random)... has anyone else experienced this?
[04:23] <DanaG> It's not readahead-packed!
[04:23] <mohan2> @dhaivat shall I print the error message here.
[04:23] <naples_guy> hello #ubuntu
[04:23] <Guest81841> decora: sure enough
[04:23] <decora> josephnexus: karmic is a gigantic cluster @#$@#$ , google it
[04:24] <josephnexus> most of the results i'm finding are for 9.04... which was working fine
[04:24] <dhaivat_> mohan2: sure
[04:24] <josephnexus> it isn't that it doesn't work at all, it's that it works and then after a few minutes, it jumps around and acts crazy... and then it starts working again...
[04:24] <naples_guy> any reason for no output for simple commands while root?
[04:24] <dhaivat_> mohan2: if its more than 2 lines, use pastebin.com
[04:24] <scunizi> decora: come on... you don't need to do that here.. you could go to #windows to do that.
[04:24] <decora> josephnexus: you MIGHT try a different version of your kernel, long shot of fixing it
[04:25] <josephnexus> does this issue appear to be a kernel issue?
[04:25] <josephnexus> is there an errata page or something?
[04:25] <scunizi> josephnexus: ms keyboard or logitec?
[04:25] <josephnexus> it's the built in stuff to the laptop
[04:26] <josephnexus> and it works fine and then seemingly random it will either stop working, or jump around a ton, and then after a few minutes of spazzing out, it works again for a bit
[04:26] <mohan2> @dhaivat okay
[04:26] <naples_guy> this is an easy one.... but I really don't understand it.  anyone want to look?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/331462/
[04:26] <nbros652> stevo: That work for you, or do you need more details?
[04:26] <scunizi> josephnexus: some laptops have strange issues.. comes with the territory.. you should google your model and ubuntu.. like "xyz123 on ubuntu"
[04:26] <josephnexus> we went about 2 hrs with it working the other day, but I just got an e-mail from her telling me it did it twice almost immediately after bootup
[04:26] <josephnexus> i did, but the only results google found were for 9.04 and 8.04 oddly enough
[04:27] <decora> josephnexus: if the usb drivers and timing are jacked up, a different kernel might possibly fix it
[04:27] <vyan> anyboxy can you help to fix my problem, screen problem on http://pastie.org/719864 , thx
[04:27] <scunizi> josephnexus: they may still apply
[04:27] <naples_guy> !root
[04:27] <stevo> nbros652,  i think it worked
[04:27] <stevo> ill be back
[04:27] <dragon> The Karmic installer calculates partition size based on 1 MB=1000000 bytes assumption, which is retarded. Is there a quick fix?
[04:27] <khelvan> Hello, is fuppes in any Ubuntu repository?
[04:27] <naples_guy> !more sleep
[04:27] <dragon> !fuppes | khelvan
[04:27] <josephnexus> i'll try another kernel
[04:27] <josephnexus> she doesn't have more than 3gb of ram
[04:27] <josephnexus> so that gives us a few more options
[04:27] <khelvan> !fuppes
[04:28] <nbros652> stevo: great
[04:28] <decora> dragon: type in MiB instead of MB, or type in exact byte counts
[04:28] <josephnexus> is there anything in the bios that could be changed to help with this?
[04:28] <naples_guy> the simple command of "dir" doesn't work while root?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/331462/
[04:28] <khelvan> Ubotto knows nothing about fuppes.
[04:28] <dragon> !info fuppes | khelvan
[04:28] <stevo> nbros652,  it worked! :)
[04:28] <stevo> thaks
[04:28] <scunizi> naples_guy: dir is a windows command.. ls will do the same thing but it's more powerful
[04:28] <nbros652> no prob
[04:28] <dhaivat_> !windows
[04:28] <dragon> decora: It's asking for a number in MB. When I entered 10240, it came out to be 9.5 GB.
[04:28]  * naples_guy is a moron
[04:29] <josephnexus> ls | grep nameyoulookfor
[04:29] <josephnexus> woohoo!
[04:29] <josephnexus> :-P
[04:29] <dragon> decora: it's karmic desktop installer.
[04:29] <changeofheart> umount: only root can unmount /dev/sda2 from /media/RECOVERY
[04:29] <lonx101> hey fuys, does anybody know of a command line tool that will act sort of like cat, except write to a specific location within a file? (eg insert stdout into the middle of a file)
[04:29] <josephnexus> dragon: is it saying 9.5GB free?
[04:29] <GodfatherofEire> Anybody know if theres a fix to get last.fm working in banshee?
[04:29] <changeofheart> how do i use root to unmount? umount: only root can unmount /dev/sda2 from /media/RECOVERY
[04:29] <josephnexus> or 9.5GB total?
[04:29] <dhaivat_> lonx101: use the redirection operator
[04:29] <stevo> nbros652,  this is how it looked like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/331464/
[04:29] <maco> changeofheart: sudo
[04:29] <josephnexus> changeofheart: sudo umount bladebla
[04:30] <josephnexus> just prepend it with sudo
[04:30] <nytek_> GodfatherofEire: you can use mpd with mpdscribble
[04:30] <dragon> josephnexus: it thinks 10240 MB = 9.5 GB.
[04:30] <GodfatherofEire> nytek_ would that be integrated with Banshee?
[04:30] <josephnexus> yes, but has it formatted and such yet? or is it showing that before the installation occurs
[04:30] <josephnexus> each filesystem type has some overhead, usually from reserved blocks.... you might be seeing the size AFTER overhead
[04:30] <nytek_> GodfatherofEire: i dont know if Banshee has last.fm suppose
[04:31] <dragon> josephnexus: beforehand
[04:31] <josephnexus> just a shot in the dark...
[04:31] <josephnexus> hmm... then I am as baffled as you are
[04:31] <josephnexus> :-P
[04:31] <nytek_> GodfatherofEire: how i get my music to sync with last.fm is i use mpd with mpdscribble
[04:31] <GodfatherofEire> nytek_ it does. sort of.
[04:31] <osirisx11> i have 6gb and ubuntu only sees 3. do i need to have x64 edition for it to see more than 3?
[04:31] <Kirsch> hi all, i know this may sound like a stupid question but when i do zip -r etc.zip /etc/init.d and then unzip etc.zip, it recreates the "etc/init.d" folder structure, how would I change this? (etc/init.d is an example)
[04:31] <GodfatherofEire> nytek_ I really dont care about audio scrobbling, I just want the radio
[04:32] <nytek_> GodfatherofEire: ahh, i see. one sec, lemme see what i can find
[04:33] <GodfatherofEire> nytek_ I think I might have it
[04:33] <Guest81841> 90 Gb directory seems to belong to 'root' -- how do I convert it (and everything in it) so it belongs to me (user)?
[04:33] <naples_guy> scunizi, ls does not work under root either
[04:33] <sekyourbox> I know there is "text to speach" software for linux, but is there a "speach to text" program for ubuntu?
[04:34] <decora> vyan: my guess is your filesystem got corrupted during an apt-get update or during package installation. you can go to each of those packages, and manually delete the post-install script files for them in order to be able to reinstall them
[04:34] <scunizi> naples_guy: you just trying to get a directory listing?
[04:34] <nytek_> GodfatherofEire: yeah? wha did you find?
[04:34] <decora> Kirsch: cd into /etc first
[04:34] <GodfatherofEire> nytek_, using a PPA
[04:34] <maco> Guest81841: chown -R user directory
[04:34] <maco> Guest81841: er, sudo that
[04:34] <naples_guy> scunizi, yes, i am just playing with commands and learning the shell.  i know sudo is the way to go, but i just wanted to experiment with root and -i
[04:35] <nytek_> GodfatherofEire: ahh, i see. i found this http://apt.last.fm/
[04:35] <ShawnC> Hello, when I log into my ubunutu ultimate edition I get this extremely annoying beeping sound, it's not system beep as I disabled it. I have a HP Pavilion DV4. Can anyone please help me.
[04:35] <josephnexus> talk w/ everyone later
[04:35] <lonx101> dhaivat_: just looking up redirection operators now, looks promising. do you know how I can redirect to a location within a file?
[04:35] <josephnexus> thanks for the suggestion, we'll see if a different kernel resolves the problems
[04:35] <josephnexus> take care
[04:35] <maco> !ultimate  | ShawnC
[04:35] <GodfatherofEire> nytek_ I'd prefer to have it integrated, if its not I'll just use rhythmbox
[04:35] <Guest81841> thanks maco trying...
[04:35] <nytek_> GodfatherofEire: cool, good luck :D
[04:35] <RebelZero> naples_guy, I think you're confusing your directory structure
[04:35] <ShawnC> Where do I go for UE? it cuts out lol
[04:36] <RebelZero> naples_guy,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/331466/
[04:36] <scunizi> naples_guy: don't know why that would make ls not function.. "exit" from sudo -i and try again with ls to see what happens
[04:36] <jeiworth> hi all, trying to get doom3 to run but fails after initializing the resolution with a segfault, anyone know how to fix this?
[04:36] <ShawnC> Hello, when I log into my ubunutu 9.04 I get this extremely annoying beeping sound, it's not system beep as I disabled it. I  have a HP Pavilion DV4. Can anyone please help me.
[04:36] <maco> ShawnC: its not cut off. we dont have a channel to list there. check the website from whence you got it
[04:36] <sekyourbox> I know there is "text to speach" software for linux, but is there a "speach to text" program for ubuntu?
[04:36] <Kirsch> decora: is it possible to do it without doing that? i'm doing this from a script
[04:36] <decora> lonx101 you cant. you can cat the first x bytes (or lines) of the file, then append the 'text to insert', then append the rest of the original file.
[04:37] <scunizi> ShawnC: that's the sound of your windows partition screaming in protest to a superior OS
[04:37] <naples_guy> RebelZero, thanks for the explanation
[04:37] <RebelZero> naples_guy, you're welcome
[04:38] <naples_guy> RebelZero, i thought there was only one "Desktop"
[04:38] <ShawnC> scunizi: It's single booted
[04:38] <decora> Kirsch: are you trying to save the entire /etc tree?
[04:38] <TPS> Windows 7 stuck in infinite loop
[04:38] <TPS> Woo
[04:38] <Kirsch> decora: no, just the init.d folder
[04:39] <sekyourbox> TPS, are you debugging windows 7?
[04:39] <scunizi> ShawnRisk: darn.. I though I had figured it out :)
[04:39] <sekyourbox> TPS, there are a lot of traps if you are
[04:39] <TPS> sekyourbox: No
[04:39] <TPS> My GRUB broke
[04:39] <TPS> Then Windows startup files broke
[04:39] <TPS> And it tried to repair and failed
[04:39] <decora> Kirsch: do you want them all 'init.d/filename' or just 'filename'
[04:39] <Guest81841> maco: worked like a dream, thanks a bunch
[04:39] <Kirsch> 'init.d/filename'
[04:40] <RebelZero> naples_guy, each user will have their own within their own /home/user directory. root generally does not have one rarely needs to log into the GUI as root.
[04:40] <maco> Guest81841: np
[04:40] <jeiworth> sekyourbox: check out this, stumbled upon it the other day but haven't tried it myself: http://simon-listens.org/index.php?id=122&L=1
[04:40] <naples_guy> RebelZero, do you have any advice for me?  I'm trying to learn to navigate the shell using relative paths and shortcuts.  Any websites you recommend?
[04:40] <UbuntuUser> how do i update my bios using a zip file from the manufacturer website?
[04:40] <Ubuntu_> ddd
[04:41] <UbuntuUser> huh?
[04:41] <sekyourbox> jeiworth, thanks
[04:41] <decora> Kirsch: how about using cd in the script? and then cd back to your original directory
[04:41] <RebelZero> naples_guy, experience was my teacher through trial and error.
[04:41] <Kirsch> decora: its a php script :-\
[04:41] <jeiworth> sekyourbox: yw, no garanties, though ;)
[04:41] <scunizi> UbuntuUser: rule of thumb on bios.. if it's working don't fix it.
[04:41] <dhaivat_> Kirsch: perl ftw!
[04:41] <Kirsch> lol
[04:42] <naples_guy> RebelZero, i understand.  At this rate, I'll understand the shell by age 194.  =)
[04:42] <UbuntuUser> scunizi, i'm trying to install msiwindosx86 and i need to do a bios update
[04:43] <scunizi> UbuntuUser: what's msiwindowsx86?
[04:43] <UbuntuUser> its osx for msi wind
[04:43] <Colonel_Panik> naples_guy, using a gui as root is or can be dangerous as you know with Windows. A double click jerked a little bit in Explorer can drag and drop the windows directory into your printer spool and guess what windows won't boot
[04:44] <scunizi> UbuntuUser: so it's the osx OS that runs under windows? I"m los
[04:45] <scunizi> *lost
[04:45] <decora> Kirsch: 1. you could pass a 'cd /etc ; zip -r blah blah ' command to bash, 2. you could open a pipe, run cd then run zip 3. ask a php forum
[04:45] <naples_guy> i know that i dont need to login as root, but i am trying to learn the shell.  its independent study, hobby, and personal interest all rolled into one.  I bought a book on it and everything.
[04:46] <RebelZero> naples_guy, the shell can seem intimidating but it is a rather powerful tool once you learn how to operate within one.
[04:46] <scunizi> naples_guy: and no need to be at root to explore the cli
[04:46] <jeiworth> bash rul0rz! :D
[04:46] <UbuntuUser> scunizi, the info in the docs said to add a bios update for it, but its a zip file. do i have to install windows first?
[04:47] <decora> if you are never root, you will never mess up your system really bad... thus you will never learn anything.
[04:47] <scunizi> UbuntuUser: so google shows it's a crack of osx right? so you can install it along with windows?
[04:47] <naples_guy> RebelZero, yeah, the shell is really neat.  once I get it, it will be powerful for me.  i hate having to ASK and BUG you guys in #ubuntu every single time i need to do something in the shell
[04:47] <losha> decora: the truly talented can mess up a system without being root...
[04:48] <decora> losha do u have example in mind?
[04:49] <naples_guy> does anyone understand that this was a TEST and not regular practice?  =/
[04:49] <Kirsch> decora: any idea?
[04:49] <Zargle> How do i delete my ubuntu partition?
[04:49] <osirisx11> [karmic, x64/RAM question] i have 6gb and ubuntu only sees 3. do i need to have x64 edition for it to see more than 3?
[04:49] <decora> Kirsch: i posted above. not a php guru sorry
[04:49] <jeiworth> osirisx11: yes
[04:49] <losha> decora: do I need to provide one? It's probably off topic...
[04:50] <Kirsch> decora: ok heh, thx
[04:50] <decora> zargle: do you want to keep windows
[04:50] <Zargle> I have a mac
[04:50] <decora> Kirsch: if it was python i would use pythons builtin zip functions
[04:50] <Zargle> and i used my Boot Camp... to partition and my boom camp wont reconize my ubuntu partition after i installed it
[04:50] <Hrishi> anyone successful in getting a 3D graphics driver for Via Chrome 9 HC IGP for linux?? Openchrome only supports 2d Graphics... Anyone has a lead for the proprietary driver?
[04:50] <Zargle> and disk utility for some reasonw ill not delete the partition
[04:50] <Zargle> how might i just delete it
[04:50] <osirisx11> jeiworth: $^##$^#&@&@ thank you.
[04:51] <osirisx11> jeiworth: any way for x86 to see all 6?
[04:51] <Guest77629> i am a total newbie and i do not understand the repository stuff
[04:51] <RebelZero> naples_guy, I did... just keep practicing but keep in mind that sudo should be used only when needed. we've seen so many new users who didn't know what they were doing with sudo that it's basically reactionary for people to warn against using it.
[04:51] <jeiworth> osirisx11: not linux' fault, simple matter of adressing, same in windows btw
[04:51] <osirisx11> jeiworth: so no way to do it?
[04:51] <Zargle> i need to reinstall ubuntu cause of me doing a graphics card install and my screen goes black now and i cant get to log in screen
[04:52] <mshade> osirisx11: you need a kernel with PAE extensions
[04:52] <Hrishi> anyone successful in getting a 3D graphics driver for Via Chrome 9 HC IGP for linux?? Openchrome only supports 2d Graphics... Anyone has a lead for the proprietary driver? please do mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in case of solutions :)
[04:52] <mshade> osirisx11: 32bit can see all RAM just fine, but you need a kernel with PAE support
[04:52] <jeiworth> osirisx11: with 32 bit you can only adress around 3.5gb iirc
[04:52] <decora> Zargle if you are going to reinstall,  just tell ubuntu to use the old ubuntu partition and write over it
[04:52] <mshade> jeiworth: incorrect.
[04:52] <jeiworth> mshade: ah reall?
[04:52] <jeiworth> really?
[04:52] <osirisx11> mshade: how can i get that?
[04:52] <ironfoot495> Hello I'm interested in finding a way to fix a broken package NIS(network information service) if anyone as any ideas I sure could use it.
[04:52] <mshade> jeiworth: yes. with PAE extensions you can address all memory
[04:52] <Zargle> so i put in the CD? and restart on my ubuntu partition
[04:53] <ironfoot495> I've worked on this for sometime now.
[04:53] <Zargle> and it should ask for reinstall? how do i get to reinstall section or hold C?
[04:53] <decora> Zargle: you might even try 'repair' function of livecd
[04:53] <jeiworth> mshade: ah ok, that was new, thanks, sorry osirisx11,i take it all back
[04:53] <Zargle> Hmm thanks :D
[04:53] <decora> zargle: can you boot osx?
[04:53] <Zargle> yes (on it)
[04:54] <decora> zargle: back up your data before you go further
[04:54] <Zargle> just Ubuntu said there were some drivers i needed to install.. and i did and they were for the new graphics card in this computer... And my screen froze and after a restart the screen went black
[04:54] <Colonel_Panik> naples_guy, think of the bash shell as built in bat files and almost programing ability with all the | < > symbols
[04:54] <Zargle> on my mac or Ubuntu?
[04:54] <decora> zargle: anywhere you had important data
[04:54] <Zargle> my mac side should be fine
[04:55] <Zargle> why would my mac side be any worry?
[04:55] <UbuntuUser> scunizi, i wanna try it out and see if i like it
[04:55] <mshade> osirisx11, jeiworth: see this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-4gb-ram-limitation-solution/
[04:55] <decora> because if you dont know what you are doing you might overwrite it
[04:55] <jongbergs> !welcome
[04:55] <UbuntuUser> scunizi, i just wanna see if i can do it without installing windows
[04:55] <cfedde> "what could possibly go wrong?"
[04:55] <decora> during the reinstall
[04:55] <osirisx11> mshade: ty
[04:55] <dave99> ok
[04:55] <jeiworth> mshade: thanks! nixcraft site kicks ass! :D
[04:56] <osirisx11> mshade: thanks!
[04:56] <dave99> hello everyone
[04:56] <Zargle> HEy
[04:56] <velix> nmap
[04:56] <scunizi> UbuntuUser: it's against the uula (or however it's spelled) for osx.. only apple/mac machines can run it legitamately.. nobody here will support helping with this project.
[04:56] <dave99> anyone here know anything  about dvb
[04:57] <decora> UULA --- uppity user license agreement
[04:57] <dave99> for ubuntu
[04:57] <ctmjr> dave99: what about it?
[04:57] <UbuntuUser> scunizi, i'll definitely not buy it unless i try it first, if i like it i'll buy a liscense
[04:57] <Zargle> alright well I will trya dn do that.. i dont think my mac side should be affected
[04:57]  * mahngiel high fives decora for originality
[04:57] <UbuntuUser> scunizi, if i can't try it out apple may be missing out on me lol
[04:57] <scunizi> UbuntuUser: you can't buy a license for osx..
[04:57] <badcom-wrk> EXT4 is default on Ubuntu?
[04:58] <dave99> are they any good ones out there
[04:58] <Colonel_Panik> UbuntuUser, best way to try out Ubuntu is to get an older cast off box, stick a bunch of memory in it and play with it *smile*
[04:58] <Zargle> scunizi: Hackintosh!
[04:58] <UbuntuUser> scunizi, i meant a copy
[04:58] <Jeruvy> badcom-wrk: for Karmic yes.
[04:58] <badcom-wrk> Jeruvy Karmic?
[04:59] <ctmjr> dave99: you mean dvb cards for tv ? or am i missing something
[04:59] <dave99> yes
[04:59] <iamkidrobot> hello world
[04:59] <Zargle> Hello iamkidrobot
[04:59] <Jeruvy> badcom-wrk: thats what the current version of ubuntu is called ;)
[05:00] <badcom-wrk> hmmm
[05:00] <Zargle> there was a baby that said then when he was born
[05:00] <badcom-wrk> ok.
[05:00] <Zargle> Youngest baby to talk
[05:00] <Zargle> he learned inside his mother... isnt that amazing
[05:00] <MoralExpl> Quick question, my "lock screen" doesn't work anymore where can I find an error log to figure out why it wont lock the screen?
[05:00] <decora> absolutely incredible.
[05:00] <iamkidrobot> what did the baby say?!
[05:00] <iamkidrobot> haha
[05:02] <decora> Moral: so it just never goes into screensaver mode? (btw logs are in /var/log but i doubt it will say anything
[05:02] <Colonel_Panik> the baby said " I remember going to a party with Mom and coming home with Dad"
[05:02] <iamkidrobot> hah
[05:02] <iamkidrobot> random
[05:02] <asdf25> i'm using karmic and my Alt key just stopped working for absolutely no reason, anyone know why?
[05:02] <Colonel_Panik> or is it going with Dad and coming home with mom
[05:02] <SirTwat> Ubuntu 9.10 Realtek 8111c Gigabit driver help needed!  It refuses to give gigabit speeds... please help.
[05:02] <MoralExpl> decora, that is true, I click on it and nothing happens. It started when I got some updates a few days ago...
[05:02] <raja> EXT4 is faulty and will corrupt big files i just lost 2 videos last night. its in the release notes
[05:03] <raja> on ubuntu 9,10
[05:03] <dAlfa89_> Does wubi install Grub by default?
[05:03] <decora> asdf25: because karmic is a steaming pile of dog pee?
[05:03] <Xodiac> raja: now my sound is buzzing when playing games it wierd the thing you had me to worked but now it buzzes and crackles
[05:03] <decora> Moral: so you cant log back in?
[05:03] <SirTwat> decora: you can't 'pile' a liquid
[05:04] <Xodiac> raja: it made my gameplay a lot smoother i just need to stop the buzzing
[05:04] <ctmjr> dave99: most cards are pretty much plug and play any more but this one is made for linux http://www.pchdtv.com/
[05:04] <dave99> kool
[05:04] <MoralExpl> decora, it doesn't even get to that point, I click on it nothing happens. If I click logout, it logs out if I click shutdown it shuts down.
[05:04] <SirTwat> can anyone help with a realtek nic driver issue?
[05:04] <dave99> ctmjr
[05:05] <MoralExpl> SirTwat, what type of realtek nic
 update your alsa drivers then. try that i worked for my GF.
[05:05] <raja> it*
[05:05] <dave99> ctmjr:can i pick up transponders here in the states
[05:05] <Xodiac> how do i update them
[05:05] <draco1234> raja, OMG you are dating your boss?
[05:05] <maco> draco1234: obviously meant "it"
[05:06] <SirTwat> draco1234: he corrected it too quickly :P
[05:06] <decora> Moral: honestly i think you should file a big huge bug report on it...
 i did 2 years ago it wa sa nightmare
[05:06] <draco1234> raja, true enough
[05:06] <MoralExpl> decora, okay, where at should I file this report?
[05:07] <Elladan> So, uh, pulseaudio.  Why do I have to run "killall pulseaudio" daily, if not hourly?
[05:07] <decora> MoralExpl: http://bugs.ubuntu.com and probably package gnome-screensaver
[05:07] <MoralExpl> decora, thank you
[05:07] <ctmjr> dave99: yes if your near the transmitters i live 45 miles from a major city and pick up 19 channels over the air plus regular cable
[05:07] <draco1234> Elladan, try a cron job
[05:07] <decora> Elladan: pulseaudio, ahh theres another fine piece of open source engineering..
[05:07] <Elladan> draco1234: Sadly I have a fullscreen program that *won't exit full screen* if pulseaudio crashes.
[05:07] <decora> im beginning to remember why i left these 'support' channels years ago
 go here (link) http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/how-to-upgrade-to-alsa-1020-on-ubuntu.html  but FIRST go to ALSA's site and see what is the latest files. and in Wget adjust file names accordingly
[05:08] <SirTwat> So.... can someone help me achieve some gigabit speeds?  I've searched the net thoroughly without bearing any fruit...  I've tried updating the driver, but I can't tell if it loaded or not...  I'm on 9.10 and the devicec is a Realtek 8111c
[05:08] <FlailingWalrus> Heres a nice random question for you all: How do you install linux ubuntu 9.10 from your computer without being able to access it and its installed inside of windows?
[05:08] <Xodiac> raja: okay
[05:08] <Elladan> decora: Well, I can't really blame the pulse people per se, since they didn't recommend anyone use it.
[05:09] <Elladan> decora: But uh, it's been a couple years, you'd think they could write a unit test or something by now.
[05:09] <SirTwat> FlailingWalrus: Do you have shell access?
[05:09] <raja> i hate pulseaudio .. i use esound insead .. pulse audio is a bit too buggy for me
[05:09] <FlailingWalrus> SirTwar: Yessir
[05:09] <draco1234> Elladan, can't you just remove pulseaudio?
[05:09] <decora> SirTwat: dmesg might tell you about drivers loading/unloading
[05:10] <Elladan> draco1234: I also tried that once, and some programs seemed to stop working.  SDL compatibility problem?  I dunno.
[05:10] <draco1234> SirTwat, is it possible the speed limitation is in a router you are using?
[05:11] <decora> SirTwat: are you using Monster (TM) cables with gold tips? The helpful experts at Best
[05:11] <Elladan> I don't really mind "a little bit buggy" but uh...  Where I work, if our audio playback daemon crashed and lost sound every day, that would be an ultimate maximum critical bug and people would be getting fired if we shipped an OS with it.  Much less three.
[05:11] <decora> Buy told me they speed up data rates
[05:12] <obiwan_> hi please i have questions about buying a good gaming 13" notebook, what channel could i ask at?
[05:12] <Elladan> SirTwat: Type "ip link eth0" or whatnot in a shell.
[05:13] <kantlivelong> hey all, what app is used by default when importing pix from a camera?
[05:13] <ctmjr> obiwan_: maybe #hardware ?
[05:13] <decora> obiwan: dont use linux for gaming
[05:13] <decora> obiwan: they cant even get sound working right
[05:13] <draco1234> obiwan_, you won't find a gaming laptop that small anyways
[05:13] <kantlivelong> lolz
[05:14] <kantlivelong> my gaming laptop is basically a portable server
[05:14] <kantlivelong> HUGE
[05:14] <sebsebseb> !games |  obiwan_  decora
[05:14] <ctmjr> decora: are yiu here just to bash linux?
[05:14] <decora> kantlivelong: theres F-spot photo manager
[05:14] <obiwan_> i tried there but they're not really updated in cutting edge notebooks
[05:14] <Reddman> I use a Thinkpad X61 tablet
[05:14] <Reddman> works great for just about everything i've thrown at it
[05:14] <kantlivelong> decora:  is that the default that opens when u hit import?
[05:14] <kantlivelong> decora: srry im not on an ubuntu box at the moment.. helping a friend
[05:14] <sebsebseb> obiwan_:  Elladan  you may find that pulseaudio works much better for you, in some other distro
[05:14] <decora> stmjr: in case you havent noticed ive been answering questions for several hours and been using linux since 1996 and ya know what? sound didnt work back then either.
[05:15] <sebsebseb> obiwan_:  Elladan if you try
[05:15] <decora> kantlivelong: ahh pretty much yes it is the default...
[05:15] <obiwan_> ubuntu it's not problem , wine exists, i'm interested in hardware things, the most important 4 me is finding a laptop with latest nvidia gtx 280m card, which i can only see in 17 laptops
[05:15] <dave99> what about dvb-s cards
[05:15] <kantlivelong> decora: thanks :)
[05:15] <kantlivelong> im a gentoo user myself
[05:15] <kantlivelong> just helpin a bug
[05:15] <decora> obiwan: how about this. stick with a cheap ass old laptop and give the money you save to starving orphans in china
[05:15] <draco1234> obiwan_, try http://www.alienware.com/
[05:15] <SirTwat> decora: I tried dmesg, it was wayyyyy too many results, i forgot how to narrow it down
[05:16] <sebsebseb> decora: oh should hve messaged that to you as well, see above
[05:16] <Reddman> this one has an intel gma 962 gfx chip, which runs stuff like compiz with the effects turned on to max no problem
[05:16] <decora> SirTwat: when you do 'rmmod' and 'modprobe', and run dmesg, the last message is often about drivers loading/unloading
[05:16] <SirTwat> draco1234:  I'm using a gigabit router w/ all cat5e cables... everything is ready computer/network side as gigabit
[05:16] <Reddman> it's nothing special, for a mobile GFX, but it gets the job done
[05:16] <decora> IM LLEAING NOWWWW BYE PEOPLE GOOD LUCK WITH IPOPEN SORES SOFTEWAREZZZ
[05:16] <kantlivelong> eww
[05:16] <kantlivelong> alientware
[05:16] <draco1234> decora, you're a starving orphan aren't you? nice try...
[05:16] <kantlivelong> obiwan_: go to avadirect.com muhc better
[05:17] <Reddman> One thing i learned the other day: if you are using kdenlive to edit video, the best thing to do is convert all the raw format vids to mpeg.  Kdenlive just works with mpeg better
[05:17] <oleo> heh, open sores, what a redneck
[05:17] <Kozi> how do I get flash working on a web browser
[05:17] <SirTwat> elladan: iplink shows it to be gigabit
[05:17] <Reddman> doesn't even crash when i do that
[05:17] <Elladan> SirTwat: What about the other computer on your switch you're measuring against?
[05:17] <obiwan_> draco i tried alienware, and they don't have 13 inch laptops, it's a must for me it's 13.3 at most, cause i hate 15.4+ laps, they 're so heavy...
[05:17] <obiwan_> thanx kantlivelong
[05:18] <Reddman> Kozi: synaptic, make sure all the repositories are checked, and search for 'flash'
[05:18] <Reddman> i think
[05:18] <Jordan_U> dAlfa89_: Depends on what you mean. It uses grub, yes, but it does not replace ntldr or Bootmgr and instead adds an entry to one or the other ( depending on what version of windows ) that loads grub from a regular file in your windows partition
[05:18] <Reddman> actually, i'm not sure if i even had to install flash...
[05:18] <Kozi> search where?
[05:18]  * Reddman checks
[05:18] <dave99> ! dvb
[05:18] <Reddman> synaptic package manager
[05:18] <kantlivelong> obiwan_: np.. i have the Clevo laptop
[05:18] <Reddman> in the search thing at the top
[05:18] <SirTwat> elladan: Transferring via Samba from a Windows 7 machine, and it shows as a gigabit connection... everything 'look'
[05:18] <Reddman> give me a sec though
[05:18] <Reddman> i might be wrong
[05:18] <anttu> anyone got zte mf636 working in 9.10?
[05:19] <kantlivelong> obiwan_: they support SLI
[05:19] <gorgonzola> Kozi sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:19] <Reddman> this is a new install, so i can check real fast
[05:19] <ctmjr> dave99: there are cards for dvb-s i do not know which ones replace the sat box
[05:19] <SirTwat> elladan: Transferring via Samba from a Windows 7 machine, and it shows as a gigabit connection... everything 'looks' right.  I have been able to achieve gigabit speeds, but it comes and goes
[05:19] <Reddman> yea, that works too gorgonzola :D
[05:19] <Elladan> SirTwat: Don't use samba to bench, use ttcp or something
[05:19] <Elladan> SirTwat: Or ftp
[05:19] <draco1234> obiwan_, I had an idea to save weight. Get a 15" laptop, and then throw the battery in the garbage. It won't last long for a powerful laptop anyways, and now it weighs less!
[05:19] <gorgonzola> Kozi or, if you do not want to use the shell, you can go into Synpatic, and search for flashplugin-nonfree, and install from there.
[05:20] <SirTwat> Elladan: By deafult, does ubuntu 9.10 server have ftp installed, if not what package is it?
[05:20] <Elladan> SirTwat: I don't think so.
[05:20] <adhit-lagi> sgs
[05:20] <Jordan_U> obiwan_: http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=28
[05:20] <Elladan> SirTwat: It has ssh though, try using scp to bench
[05:20] <Kozi> ok
[05:20] <Elladan> SirTwat: Or rsync over ssh
[05:20] <SirTwat> Elladan: what about sftp?
[05:21] <Elladan> SirTwat: The SMB protocol is just very noisy, I wouldn't use it for network link tests.
[05:21] <Reddman> i've been using the ultimate edition for ubuntu, and that came with flash
[05:21] <Elladan> SirTwat: That's fine
[05:21] <Kozi> By the way what was the command to cleanup packages once they were installed?
[05:21] <Reddman> just went to a standard 9.1 install tonight
[05:21] <Reddman> but yea, the apt-get method IS technically the fastest way to do it
[05:21] <Elladan> SirTwat: ssh/scp/sftp are all just sending data very cleanly in one direction without a lot of overhead like SMB/CIFS.
[05:21] <draco1234> Reddman, Nine.point.ten
[05:21] <Reddman> yea yea
[05:21] <obiwan_> kantlivelong: i have looked at a 13.3" dell one with 8 ram gigs, 2.6 c2d @ 1066 fsb, and a nvidia 210m 512 mb, but i'm not sure if that'll work for some games like crysis, cod and so, : S i'd be great if i find some one with a gtx 280 m cause in reviews for 15&17 inch laps they say it works perfect
[05:21] <ron-l-j>  "The most important tip I can offer to new users is to learn the command line. If you are limited to the GUIs, you see the system through a glass,darkly" Richard Stallman
[05:21] <Elladan> SirTwat: http would be fine too
[05:22] <sleek> hi, when i'm installing ubuntu, it freezes during the "copying files" portion of the install .. what can I check or change to help solve this problem?
[05:22] <Reddman> putting the extra zero on a decimal seems kinda redundant :D
[05:22] <gorgonzola> Kozi i don't know what you mean. maybe sudo apt-get autoremove? adding --purge to any remove or autoremove will also remove conf files.
[05:22] <ron-l-j> sleek Check your disc for errors
[05:22] <MNI940> Hello, when I log into my ubunutu 9.04 I get this extremely annoying beeping sound, it's not system beep as I disabled it. I  have a HP Pavilion DV4. Can anyone please help me.
[05:22] <ron-l-j> sleek your install disc
[05:22] <sleek> ron-l-j: i did, no errors.
[05:22] <gorgonzola> Redman it's not a decimal :)
[05:22] <draco1234> Reddman, Yes, but it's not acting as a decimal, it is just a separator
[05:22] <Kozi> yeah autoremove
[05:23] <GamerKnight> hey people
[05:23] <Reddman> i know
[05:23] <dhiaeldeen1> how can i compile this for ubuntu ? , http://www.cast3d.org/download
[05:23] <obiwan_> draco1234: that's a good one, but i don't like big laps either, it's so uncomfortable to walk along with them
[05:23] <sleek> ron-l-j: i tried 2 different optical drives, 3 different hdds, 2 different ide cables
[05:23] <Reddman> i think my client might be taking it off too
[05:23] <oleo> @Kozi sudo apt-get autoclean ?
[05:23] <GamerKnight> trying to run this command "sudo boot/extlinux/extlinux --install boot/extlinux/" and i am getting this error "boot/extlinux/ is device /dev/sd"
[05:23] <Reddman> test 9.10 test
[05:23] <Reddman> nope
[05:23] <Reddman> it's just me
[05:23] <Reddman> :D
[05:23] <FloodBot5> Reddman: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:23] <GamerKnight> any help would be nice. i am trying to make a partition bootable
[05:23] <ron-l-j> sleek thats nuts !
[05:24] <SirTwat> Elladan: SFTP is trans at 5.4MB/s :(
[05:24] <ron-l-j> msleek have you tried a usb instal ?
[05:24] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: What are you trying to accomplish?
[05:24] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: any help would be nice. i am trying to make a partition bootable
[05:24] <sleek> ron-l-j: i haven't ... that's a good idea though ... i'd have to find a flash drive or something that can connect via usb
[05:24] <ron-l-j> sleek usb maybe its the communitaction purt on the computer\
[05:25] <dhiaeldeen1> how can i compile this for ubuntu ? , http://www.cast3d.org/download , thanks ...
[05:25] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: I mean what is your real goal, i.e. why do you want to "make a partition bootable" ?
[05:25] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: basicly i have copyed a custom linux setup to that partition and now i need to write the Partition Boot Record to make it bootable
[05:25] <SirTwat> Elladan: any ideas?
[05:25] <Elladan> SirTwat: Hmm, actually I just realized ssh might be cpu limited too
[05:25] <Reddman> I keep forgetting to look for a clipboard daemon of some sort
[05:25] <draco1234> GamerKnight, have you seen this yet? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:25] <Elladan> SirTwat: FTP/http/ttcp are really the best stream tests.
[05:25] <Reddman> tired of loosing copy/paste data when i close something
[05:25] <SirTwat> checking top doesnt show very much cpu usage
[05:25] <grease> Hi .. is there a way I can know the rpm of my hardrive (short of opening my laptop and reading the specs on it)
[05:26] <Elladan> SirTwat: But anyway, so just checking, but these are both plugged into the same gigE switch right?
[05:26] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: Why not just run "sudo update-grub" which should add an entry for it in grub ( if you are using 9.10 / grub2 )?
[05:26] <Elladan> SirTwat: And the MTU isn't an issue?
[05:26] <Reddman> grease: is it listed in the bios?
[05:26] <Orgy> I'm running with a small amount of ram. What services can i shutdown to use less ram?
[05:26] <GamerKnight> draco1234: i will have a read through it now. but the command i typed in should work right?
[05:26] <GamerKnight> draco1234: sudo boot/extlinux/extlinux --install boot/extlinux
[05:27] <SirTwat> Elladan:  Yes, same switch, and both show GIG-E connectivity on router (green is for gige, orange is for 100mb)  both show gig-e connectivity in os: (windows 7 & ubuntu's ethtool)
[05:27] <grease> Reddman: haven't checked it ... was hoping to find a way w/o having to restart :)
[05:27] <Reddman> ahh, i found something...
[05:27] <Reddman> hold on
[05:27] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: Installing a bootloader to a partition has some interesting reliability issues and it doesn't seem like it's at all neccisary ( or even the easiest way ) to install a bootloader to that partition
[05:27] <dhiaeldeen1> guys can you hear me ? :(
[05:27] <Reddman> http://www.linuxinsight.com/how_fast_is_your_disk.html
[05:27] <Reddman> try that
[05:28] <Reddman> seems to have information on how to benchmark your drives
[05:28] <draco1234> GamerKnight, I think the part after "--install" hads to be the device, not the folder where the device is mounted
[05:28] <Reddman> i can't hear anything... i can see you tho
[05:28] <gorgonzola> grease you can find your hd manufacturer and model with hdparm
[05:28] <grease> Reddman: thanks, will try
[05:28] <hawk_> lol @ Reddman
[05:28] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: ok, if it make any difference i am following the tutorial off the partition magic website. so i can boot there software from a partition.
[05:28] <gorgonzola> grease: sudo hdparm -i /path/to/drive
[05:28] <Reddman> i hear the tickling of keyboard keys ^.^
[05:28] <SirTwat> Elladan:  I've scoured the internet for solutions and it seems a considerable amount of people have had this problem and fixed it, but didnt post a solution.
[05:29] <mondragon> Is there a website anywhere that documents what hardware on what netbooks works with linux?
[05:29] <Reddman> mondragon: anything will just about
[05:29] <Elladan> SirTwat: Do you have traffic shaping turned on?
[05:29] <Orgy> does anyone know what i can do to make my computer faster? I have 256 gb ram (running alternated ubuntu 9.10) and have already done swapdisk (2.5gb-seperate harddrive)
[05:29] <mondragon> reddman: ok, that works too.. :-)
[05:29] <Reddman> a friend of mine runs 9.10 on a acer aspire one
[05:29] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: my end goal is to use this software of the partition to make a hfs+ volumn on my harddrive and install the refit on it. refit must be install on a hfs+ partition other wise it does not work
[05:29] <SirTwat> Elladan: I'm not sure what that is
[05:29] <Reddman> linux seems to be VERY atom friendly
[05:29] <mondragon> reddman: yeah, there's some really good deals on Aspire One bundles right now
[05:29]  * Reddman nods
[05:30] <Reddman> it's a great machine
[05:30] <NightEyes1> Does anyone know how to access the no-ip program to make changes after it's been installed
[05:30] <SirTwat> Orgy = Troll
[05:30] <Reddman> has that sexy plastic that attracts fingerprints like a hard drive magnet atracts fake gold
[05:30] <mondragon> reddman: You know if they can book off of usb sticks?
[05:30] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: i can understand this is a long way round but it has to be hfs+ and i need to keep the other partitions on the harddrive intact. also i have not blank cds left
[05:30] <mondragon> reddman: boot, even
[05:30] <Reddman> yep
[05:30] <Reddman> they have to
[05:30] <Orgy> how am i a troll?
[05:30] <Reddman> no optical drive
[05:30] <mondragon> reddman: I've heard that about the plastic.. :-)
[05:30] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: You can create an hfs file system within linux ( I am pretty sure rEFIt will work from hfs )
[05:30] <mondragon> reddman: yeah, it's just that Dell says you might need to buy an optical drive for theirs for "system recovery" which sounded absurd
[05:31] <maco> Orgy: could you please use a more family-friendly nick?
[05:31] <SirTwat> Orgy: Maybe not, buying buying more ram isn't going to hurt anything
[05:31] <Reddman> i run a lenovo thinkpad x61 that has no CD/DVD drive at all, it litterally HAS to boot from the USB to get it's OS data
[05:31] <mondragon> reddman: But I suppose that really means "yes, idiot, you can't stick your windows CD in here"
[05:31] <Reddman> lol
[05:31] <Reddman> well, in so many words
[05:31] <linuxguy2009> Any Dell Mini 10v owners here?
[05:31] <Elladan> SirTwat: I don't know what the problem is.  If you have a third computer I'd recommend doing some tests with it to isolate the problem.
[05:31] <Orgy> maco-i don't want to --sirtwat-thanks for the advice
[05:31] <maco> SirTwat: you too on the family-friendly nick thing
[05:32] <maco> !ops | Orgy and SirTwat have very family un-friendly nicks
[05:32] <Reddman> i don't own one, but i've seen dell mini's do all kinds of neat things... from running linux to running OSX
[05:32] <Elladan> SirTwat: You might also check for evidence of bad cables (packet errors etc.) and weirdness with Windows 7.
[05:32] <SirTwat> Elladan:  lol... i do have a 3rd, and between the other computers, gige works fine... it just this linux box that is casing me problems
[05:32] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: it says has to be hfs+ plus, i have been trying all day to get this to work. the best method for me would be manualy creating the Partition Boot Record this way anyway
[05:32] <gorgonzola> maco i think you are exagerating
[05:32] <draco1234> NightEyes1, try typing:  sudo no-ip -C
[05:32] <ron-l-j> Has anyone seen moblin ?
[05:32] <ron-l-j> great on my betbook
[05:32] <Orgy> maco-maybe we want them. and it should'nt really bother anyone if we do have unfriendly like nicks. it's not like our nicks are (macogay3)
[05:33] <SirTwat> Elladan:  I've done all of the normal troubleshooting, and replaced all cables as well... I can't pin it down which is why I am here :)
[05:33] <Reddman> but yea, unetbootin + USB stick + linux = win on netbooks
[05:33] <ron-l-j> how many users under 12 in here ?
[05:33] <bigmack83_> in windows, can i use a program like cygwin to ssh or otherwise use my ubuntu install from another partition?
[05:33] <maco> Orgy: its not like "gay" is an insult either. however, we have rules in here about family-friendly language. thatd put swear words and sexual things right out.
[05:33] <linuxguy2009> Well Ill just ask, Dell sells the Mini 10v's with 8.04 installed. I am reverting back to 8.04.3 and installed it with my Dell DVDRW USB drive. wireless works fine, but no sound. Anyone know why or how to fix it?
[05:33] <ron-l-j> Reddman yes also the python image dreator
[05:34] <ron-l-j> creator
[05:34] <Orgy> fine. i'll go to my second nick
[05:34] <Reddman> i was trying to get BCCD to work with unetbootin on a USB stick, to no avail
[05:34] <ron-l-j> who care what your Nick IS
[05:34] <arghh2d2> Orgy: you're just acting out to get some kind of attention...sad
[05:34] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: Linux can read, write, and create hfs+ file systems but only without journaling ( which you can enable after the fact )
[05:34] <ron-l-j> hahahahah
[05:34] <gorgonzola> bigmack83 you can;t run both systems at the same time in the same machine. if you need access to files, you might want to look into an ext driver for windows. i don;t understand why you owuld need cygwin
[05:34] <Reddman> i want to set up a live-boot cluster
[05:34] <Reddman> :)
[05:34] <Elladan> SirTwa: Sorry I can't be more help.
[05:34] <draco1234> maco, how do you think families get created in the first place?
[05:35] <dAlfa89_> maco: I'm not defending anybody, but "Orgy" can be used in literature to define a mass congregation or such, so not always having sexual connotations
[05:35] <gorgonzola> maco: Orgy is not necesarilly a sexual word. i think you are exagerating.
[05:35] <SirTwa> Reddman: I heard cluster knopix is pretty good :)
[05:35] <Reddman> yea, i need to play with that
[05:35] <ron-l-j> gorgonzola Cigwin is great for compiling code in a winblows enviroment
[05:35] <Reddman> i have 5 linux machines right now, one windows (for gaming)
[05:35] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: Do you have an Ubuntu LiveCD or a flash drive you can put the LiveCD image on?
[05:35] <Elladan> SirTwa: You might try looking for a better stream test though.  I think my ssh suggestion was probably bad.
[05:35] <SirTwa> Reddman:  I messed with it a little bit at my work.. it was awesome... what are you supposed to do with 50 extra pc's laying around?
[05:35] <Reddman> i was ust going to make up 6 USB sticks with a clustering OS
[05:35] <osirisx11> mshade: just wanted to report i am now using PAE successfully, and it can see all my ram! thank you!
[05:35] <Reddman> lol
[05:36] <Kozi> If i need to do some web development on linux are there any tools like bbedit?
[05:36] <gorgonzola> ron-l-j fair enough, but why would he need it to "ssh or otherwise use" his ;inux partition from windows, supposedly in the same machine?
[05:36] <cfedde> what makes a clustering os different from the usual type?
[05:36] <Zacdee316> dalfa89-thanks for defending the nick, but i've already changed it
[05:36] <Reddman> my idea is to make a cluster for mencoder/kdenlive
[05:36] <dksoba88> Hi, I just rebooted my 9.10 install and X didn't start, and a console login was there but flashing... not sure what happened but I can't even log in
[05:36] <Elladan> SirTwa: If you have an ftp server installed on one of the other boxes, or an http server, you could try downloading on the linux side.
[05:36] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: ok that sounds the best method then, but that is not the only reason why i wish to write the boot sector manualy. i looked in gparted and i could not see a hfs volumn could you please adivse me. i know there is a  similar terminal command that will do it. could you tell me what it is
[05:36] <Reddman> i do a lot of video editing, and encoding video faster is a big goal of this plan
[05:36] <SirTwa> Elladan: Thanks for your help, I don't think stream test was the issue as I've been able to achieve gig-e speeds before (today even)  it just cuts in and out.
[05:36] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: You need to install hfsprogs before the option will show up in gparted
[05:36] <Elladan> SirTwa: Ah ok.
[05:37] <dksoba88> So now I'm booting off a USB drive, I think the error has something to do with crytodrive or something, but that error message only flashed up once and I didn't get to read the whole thing
[05:37] <ron-l-j> gorgonzola I see yes if you format it to fat 32 both systems should read it no problem
[05:37] <Elladan> SirTwa: I was just worried that smb/cifs isn't an accurate stream test.  It should go faster than 100gbit in any case though.
[05:37] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: You can install hfsprogs ( and rEFIt ) from apt/synaptic in the LiveCD session
[05:37] <Elladan> SirTwa: There are various flags you can try changing via ifconfig.
[05:37] <om26er> where is the log of installed components and their dependencies
[05:37] <om26er> ?
[05:37] <Jeruvy> SirTwa: Can't say I have any better advise, but you could try ntop to measure your network.
[05:38] <SirTwa> Jeruvy:  What does ntop do?
[05:38] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: you mean the bootable mac dvd, i thought refit requires that you bless it
[05:38] <Jeruvy> SirTwa: its like top for your network
[05:38] <gorgonzola> SirTwa: man ntop?
[05:38] <ron-l-j> i always say make a /HOME partition in fat 32 for a dual boot or a file transfer back up
[05:38] <draco1234> om26er, type: dpkg -l
[05:38] <SirTwa> ah, i usually use iftop
[05:39] <gorgonzola> ron-l-j i wouldn't recommend that, as fat 32 has no permissions, to begin with, and doesn;t support files larger than 4gb to continue
[05:39] <Chorch> ron-l-j,
[05:39] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: rEFIt can bless from linux too IIRC ( I am pretty sure I installed it from Ubuntu on my machine )
[05:39] <arghh2d2> ron-l-j: i never say that...fat32 is lame
[05:39] <ron-l-j> you can use NTFS but you can boot fat 32 as well
[05:39] <gorgonzola> ron-l-j if you absolutely require a partition to be read from both os, you should definitevily go with ntfs, or, if there is a decent driver for windows for some other fs, that one.
[05:39] <Kozi> Any good text-editors for webdevelopment out there?
[05:40] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: th is is
[05:40] <ron-l-j> so if you need windows to boot a solid state drive you plug in fat 32 works
[05:40] <om26er> i installed ubuntu-restricted-extras on 64bit and had a mass- match hash so i changed the mirror now i cannot find the package that was mismatched and i want to install it. its related to libc6-i386
[05:40] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: this is the only real command inside the enable.sh file. inside the refit dir "sudo bless --folder "$DIR" --file "$DIR/$LOADERNAME" --labelfile "$DIR/refit.vollabel""
[05:40] <Reddman> fat32 seems to be more linux friendly than ntfs, i noticed
[05:40] <ron-l-j> and over 4 gigs would mostly be media
[05:40] <om26er> and its i think 29mb+
[05:40] <gorgonzola> ron-l-j i really don't understand why you would prefer fat32. care to explain?
[05:40] <arghh2d2> ron-l-j: don't need windows .
[05:41] <om26er> where can i find the terminal log
[05:41] <dksoba88> where can I find any errors from booting up?
[05:41] <Reddman> i have a usb hard drive formatted ntfs, if it's not unmounted properly in windows (ejected), it won't connect in linux properly
[05:41] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: and bless is a mac only command, although i think the people who are working on grub2 are trying to create an opensource version. i could be wrong though. if you  know how that would be great. i have been trying this all night trying to get refit to install
[05:41] <ron-l-j> gorgonzola I use it to make bootable flash drives I can use anywhere
[05:41] <mattcen> om26er: Apt stores a log in /var/log/apt/term.log
[05:41] <Reddman> fat 32 formatted drives don't care
[05:41] <om26er> Matt1360, thanx
[05:41] <ron-l-j> So you can boot and load your os and your work files or code anywhere
[05:41] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: thanks alot for you time, it mean alot
[05:41] <gorgonzola> ron-l-j and you can't do that with ntfs?
[05:42] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: The grub2 people are also working on grub2 as a replacement for rEFIt :)
[05:42] <ron-l-j> older windows willnot boot ntfs
[05:42] <gorgonzola> Reddman if its just for mounting, you can always use --force to mount a locked ntfs volume
[05:42] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: np
[05:42] <ron-l-j> think old servers
[05:43] <gorgonzola> ron-l-j, ok, i grant that. but you gotta reckon that's a pretty fringe case, and not a good reason to recomend someone to format his /home in fat. :P
[05:43] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: thats cool, refit sucks, its got some really nice features. but its so dependend on mac crap that it makes it such a problem. i run macbook pro. but i would never run osx unless i didnt have a choice
[05:43] <Reddman> true
[05:43] <draco1234> Kozi, I've heard good things about "bluefish"
[05:43] <Reddman> but fat32 is just less of a PITA than NTFS ussually :)
[05:43] <mneptok>  /home should be formatted as a Linux FS so that permissions work as expected.
[05:43] <ron-l-j> Some linux boxes need ntfs support to read as well so if you want an OOB read 32 will work
[05:44] <SirTwa> !rules
[05:44] <SirTwa> rules
[05:44] <gorgonzola> Reddman until you start happily coping your media to your brand new hd, and 200gb into it, you try to copy that damn 4.3 gb iso.
[05:44] <Reddman> yea
[05:44] <gorgonzola> Reddman: not nice.
[05:44] <dAlfa89_> The clue is in the name, NTFS was built for NT based versions of Windows, it's a proprietary format and therefore generally unsupported by Linux (From memory, might've changed since I last took a look)
[05:44] <Reddman> i have flash drives that are permenently set up as fat32, and i have to make multipart zips for stuff like that
[05:44] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: if i run this command "cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin > /dev/sdb" or somthing like this. will this over write the GPT table with a MBR or will it just overwrite the MBR on the second sector of the disk
[05:45] <gorgonzola> dAlfa89_ we've had read and write support for ntfs for years now. performance sucks, though.
[05:45] <Reddman> i just have a fileserver for most of that work though
[05:45] <ron-l-j> CAT will not over write just read
[05:45] <Reddman> freeBSD system in my basement full of hard drives
[05:45] <Reddman> set it, forget it
[05:45] <ron-l-j> if youwant to over write use Gedit
[05:45] <kraut> moin
[05:45] <gorgonzola> Redmann: it is trivial to convert fat32 to ntfs without formating
[05:45] <dAlfa89_> gorgonzola: I know, but it's still generally not recommended, right?
[05:45] <gorgonzola> Redmann: any windows box can do that.
[05:45] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: That will overwrite the GPT table ( I think at least )
[05:45] <ron-l-j> I like free bsd and opesolaris
[05:46] <seravitae> hm, is au.archive.ubuntu.com down?
[05:46] <mneptok> ron-l-j: see the > in the command GamerKnight gave
[05:46] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: yer it should do. what i might do is use dd to push the mbr back to the the first sector of the disk
[05:47] <ron-l-j> yeah output extractor
[05:47] <ron-l-j> >>
[05:47] <draco1234> ron-l-j, actually, "cat" will be overwriting in his example since he is redirecting its output with >
[05:47] <mneptok> ron-l-j: you just appended
[05:47] <gorgonzola> dAlfa89_ weeeeelll... you know how those things are. is not recomended because the driver is not friendly, it's a watered down vbersion of a better commercial driver, and its generally not very efficient. but if you totally *need* to read from both os, you should go with it over fat32
[05:47] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: ok i am going to try this cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin > /dev/sdb3 i think that should give me a MBR but only of the thrid partion right?
[05:47] <jongbergs> seravitae: try to ping au.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:47] <ron-l-j> I perfer not to redirect out put and edit with gedit
[05:47] <ron-l-j> :D
[05:47] <ron-l-j> i get less errors
[05:47] <ron-l-j> :D
[05:47] <ron-l-j> thats just me
[05:48] <dAlfa89_> gorgonzola: That's what I do, XP on NTFS, Ubuntu on EXT3
[05:48] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: The grub you have installed already can do anything that syslinux could do, and I am pretty sure you can't have an MBR on a partition
[05:48] <arghh2d2> gorgonzola: arent there windows drivers for reading ext2/3/4 drives?
[05:48] <ron-l-j> will sudo grub-install work ?
[05:48] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: If you have the syslinux.conf I can tell you what to add as a grub menu entry to do the same thing
[05:48] <dAlfa89_> Also, Grub is better than the Windows bootloader \o/
[05:49] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: HAHAHA this command looks so cool "cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin > /dev/sdb" in the terminal. yer i am not sure it will work either. but partitions can have there own bootloads not sure if its the same as the MBR might be a smaller version
[05:49] <mneptok> ron-l-j: so how would you recreate "ls -Rla / > ~/fs_contents" in gEdit?
[05:49] <GamerKnight> ron-l-j: maybe do basicly i just want to make a partition boot able. i have copyed a basic linux version on to an ext3 partition.
[05:50] <draco1234> mneptok, easy: type "ls -Rla /" in terminal, select the output, copy, open gedit, paste
[05:50] <GamerKnight> ron-l-j: now i want to make it boot able when i select that partion
[05:50] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: Again, try just running "sudo update-grub" and see if it adds a menu entry to load the linux system on that partition
[05:50] <ron-l-j> grub-install /dev/    hd1 or sda1
[05:50] <mneptok> draco1234: in most cases the screen buffer will fill before the outpur is complete.
[05:50] <arghh2d2> if your gonna use an inferior os like windows might as well get the drivers to read linux filesystems, performance might suffer but your gonna be suffering windows anyway
[05:51] <gorgonzola> arghh2d2: yes. there are. but if i remember correctly, they stopped working with newer versions of ext3/4. haven't looked into it in a long time, though.
[05:51] <ron-l-j> most operating systems don't tell GRUB how to map BIOS drives to OS devices correctly—GRUB merely guesses the mapping. This will succeed in most cases, but not always. Therefore, GRUB provides you with a map file called the device map, which you must fix if it is wrong
[05:51] <gorgonzola> arghh2d2: i remember it was something like windows only supports 128bit filesystems, and newer exts were 256, ort something like that.
[05:51] <draco1234> mneptok, haha, now you're just nitpicking. You know that can be adjusted
[05:52] <arghh2d2> gorgonzola: yeah, who knows? not me, i dont use M$ garbage
[05:52] <examplejohn> I think I have all the samba stuff installed I can see my windows machines, but every time I try to access the shares I cannot see them, I get a username and password prompt, but I do not have either? any ideas?
[05:53] <ron-l-j> I have to work with server 2008.  I used to put them in /etc/modprobe/options but that no longer works, and neither does adding a .conf at the end of the file. Im trying to set two config options for e1000e nic, I even tried adding it to kopt but I get a "Unknown boot option `e1000e.InterruptThrottleRate=0': ignoring" error on boot.  I'm getting this error upon boot, acompanied with flashing console login screen: http://pastebin.com/d33f109c7
[05:56] <dksoba88> Can someone please help me?
[05:57] <draco1234> pfak, ubuntu 9.10?
[05:57] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: Do you have a flash drive?
[05:58] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: yes
[05:58] <ron-l-j> meptok R>E> so how would you recreate "ls -Rla / > ~/fs_contents" in gEdit?      I would use   python import os   os.popen(file)      os.write(destination file)
[05:58] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: Or an Ubuntu LiveCD
[05:58] <mkulumadzi> hey, question for the group
[05:58] <mkulumadzi> upgraded a server to 9.10
[05:58] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: both i am running from the live cd now.
[05:58] <mad> Hey guys!
[05:58] <arghh2d2> question on one line, dont flood
[05:58] <mkulumadzi> getting the 'cannot load root device error' mentioned here:
[05:58] <mneptok> ron-l-j: that's using a bomb to kill a mosquito
[05:58] <mkulumadzi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades
[05:58] <pfak> 9.04*
[05:58] <pfak> Sigh, tired..
[05:59] <ron-l-j> mneptok yes I am a bomber I could yse the writeline cammands as well
[05:59] <dAlfa89_> The graphics drivers don't affect the kernel, do they? Restarting X would be fine, right?
[05:59] <dksoba88> (BTW I'm running 9.10)
[05:59] <ron-l-j> my command fu is ok my ubuntu fu is better but I am just a padawan
[05:59] <Hawk1> dalfa89_ yea, should be fine to just restart x
[05:59] <mad> I have some .isos that refuse to mount, archive manager says CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format
[06:00] <ron-l-j> python is where it is at for me
[06:00] <mkulumadzi> sorry, will keep this question on one line, server is stuck after upgrading to  9.10, i see the fix in the link i pasted above, but the keyboard does not load.  we are stuck on (initramts)
[06:00] <dAlfa89_> Hoorah, thanks Hawk1
[06:00] <mneptok> ron-l-j: cat > is the path of least resistance
[06:00] <ron-l-j> besause I can write code in the dreaded .NET oh no
[06:00] <wilcoxjay> can anyone who knows about sound help me figure out how I can fix this or provide info to someone who knows how to fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/477752
[06:00] <Hawk1> dAlfa89_ and if it doesn't, then you can just reboot
[06:00] <ron-l-j> I will man cat
[06:01] <arghh2d2> bash is where it's at for me...im not trying to write whole programs
[06:01] <dragon> Can I allocate space for swap from an LVM partition?
[06:01] <Cheph9000> hey I'm Having trubble booting.  when i upgraded to 9.10 I accedentally left the 9.10 live cd in the disck trey, now when i boot i get this error after grub but befor the login screen "init: mountall main process (909) terminated with status 3 mount of filesystem failed". Any ideas?
[06:01] <dAlfa89_> Hawk1: would I be right in saying that anything that doesn't touch the kernel shouldn't require a restart, right? I'm gonna be doing some admin'ing of my home server from school, so the less need to reboot the better
[06:01] <ron-l-j> I like bash but I need to again make it "GO" on M$ 2008
[06:02] <ron-l-j> propritary land sucks
[06:02] <dragon> Cheph9000: remove the CD and reboot
[06:02] <ron-l-j> :D
[06:02] <dragon> !ot | ron-l-j
[06:02] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: I can walk you through installing rEFIt from the LiveCD then ( though it looks like you do still need to use OSX for bless )
[06:02] <Hawk1> dAlpha89_ i believe you are correct. So simply restarting your x-server should work :)
[06:02] <Cheph9000> dragon: i tried that but same error
[06:03] <dAlfa89_> Hawk1: Thanks, this admin stuff should be easy  ;D
[06:03] <ron-l-j> is python on ubuntu not support ? it is built in as default.
[06:03] <ron-l-j> :D
[06:03] <Hawk1> dAlpha89_ no worries man
[06:04] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: i have osx 10.4 cd i have osx 10.5 cd and i have refit. i just dont have any blank cds
[06:04] <draco1234> pfak, well, all I can do is point you here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1276211&page=4
[06:04] <arghh2d2> ron-l-j: yeah, you should just beat your boss or your teacher with a blunt object...who in their right mind doesnt realize by 2008 that linux is safe and secure and FREE...and buys MS server 2008? pfffft bleck~
[06:04] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: You have everything you need then
[06:04] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: ( More than you need actually )
[06:04] <mad> I'm having troubles mounting a DVD .iso. Archive Manager says "CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format", a manual mount produces this "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0", dmesg | tail shows: "ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format" Any ideas?
[06:05] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: yes bit i am having trobble getting them all to work. maybe its becuase i donnt know what i am doing
[06:05] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: hahha
[06:05] <indus> hello all
[06:05] <pfak> draco1234: my nic is detected fine
[06:05] <Hawk1> indus: hello
[06:05] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: how can i make an hfs+ volumn in ubuntu
[06:05] <shyam_k> i was wondering if there was _any_ way to specify two different user autologin from grub!
[06:06] <draco1234> pfak, ah, sorry then. If you've already added a .conf on the end of the file, I've got nothing
[06:06] <shyam_k> i mean two different user logins from the same partition
[06:06] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: First in the liveCD run "sudo software-properties-gtk -e universe && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install hfsprogs refit"
[06:07] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: does software-properties-gtk -e universe auto add universe to the repos??
[06:07] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: Yes
[06:07] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: cool. and the last command will just install refit??
[06:07] <wilcoxjay> is there anyone who knows about the sound system can point me in the right direction to learn about this sort of issue and how to resolve it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/477752
[06:07] <wzssyqa> i have install 9.10 to a remaoveable harddisk
[06:07] <wzssyqa> but it cannot boot
[06:08] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: do i have to run it, or config it after. i am guessing yes
[06:08] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: It will install support for creating hfsplus partitions and the files for refit
[06:08] <wzssyqa> and when use boot command of grub to boot it ,then say no such device
[06:09] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: You will then have to create the hfsplus partition in gparted, copy the refit files over to it, and bless it
[06:09] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: your the MAN!!!
[06:09] <examplejohn> please help..... samba problems anyone?
[06:09] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: will i do hfs+ or just hfs. i think both might work as u said
[06:10] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: Do hfs+ ( both should work though )
[06:10] <shyam_k> wzssyqa: does "find /boot/grub/stage1" say about that partition? say if it is sda7 this command will show you (hd0,6)
[06:11] <seidos> how can i figure out how acpi determines how much charge my battery has?
[06:11] <wzssyqa> shyam_k: o ,when use grub2's ls.it display no (hd1,x)
[06:11] <draco1234> seidos, acpi looks right inside it
[06:12] <Jordan_U> wzssyqa: That's a known but in the Ubuntu installer, you need to either manually choose your external drive as the place to install grub or install grub to the external drive manually afterward
[06:12] <shyam_k> wzssyqa: ah. sorry.. i am still with an older grub.:(
[06:12] <Jordan_U> wzssyqa: Basically it installed grub to your internal hard drive instead of your external
[06:12] <wzssyqa> Jordan_U: i have do it
[06:12] <mad> Can anyone help me mount a DVD .iso?
[06:13] <wzssyqa> Jordan_U: when installing ,i choose sdb
[06:13] <seidos> draco1234: i think my acpi is spooked
[06:13] <draco1234> pfak, your kernel option started with a # right?
[06:13] <pfak> yes ..
[06:13] <losha> Mad: from what you've said above, it sounds to me like your iso is corrupted. What is it and where did it come from?
[06:13] <draco1234> seidos, old batteries give pretty unreliable information I've found
[06:14] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: where does the refit files get put by default
[06:14] <seidos> draco1234:  how old is old?
[06:14] <mad> losha: It's not corrupted, it works on my windows machine just fine :(
[06:14] <maco> seidos: a few years...
[06:14] <draco1234> seidos, mine started giving totally wrong numbers after about a year
[06:14] <maco> seidos: your laptop may let you recalibrate the batter in the BIOS
[06:14] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: zcat /usr/share/doc/refit/README.Debian.gz | less
[06:15] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: For instructions on installing rEFIt
[06:15] <mad> losha: it appears to be a problem with isos created under Vista
[06:15] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: thanks :D
[06:15] <Jordan_U> GamerKnight: np
[06:15] <seidos> that's disturbing
[06:16] <Jordan_U> wzssyqa: Did you choose it by pressing "advanced" on this screen: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/images/9.10/9.jpg ?
[06:17] <seidos> draco1234: what did you do?
[06:17] <draco1234> seidos, the acpi works by means of magic blue smoke in the battery. After my laptop overheated, some of the smoke got out and now it is unusable...
[06:17] <draco1234> seidos, seriously, I removed my battery and always plug in the laptop now
[06:17] <draco1234> seidos, it's lighter!
[06:18] <chilli0> Hi
[06:18] <examplejohn> SONS a bitches!
[06:18] <seidos> draco1234: i used to do the same, i thought that was the reason why my battery life is terrible.  but, i thought i should look into the problem since the battery should be functioning
[06:18] <maco> ...ok then
[06:18] <chilli0> Im trying to setup ubuntu one
[06:19] <chilli0> But i get a 404
[06:19] <jahnkeanater> i am using apache and when i type in my domain it takes me to my routers config screen how do i fix this
[06:19] <Shdwdrgn> evening, folks.  I'm using nss-mysql and trying to use the full email address for user login.  From the console, I note that when I hit the @ key, it erases the username, however after the login fails the first time, I can then type the full email address and log in.  Any idea how to stop the @ key from erasing the username the first time around?
[06:19] <draco1234> seidos, if batteries didn't die every 1-2 years, how would Dell manage to stay profitable?
[06:20] <losha> mad: is there a known problem with vista isos being read on linux? I don't see much on google about it?
[06:20] <seidos> draco1234: that isn't my concern
[06:20] <aboeing> hi, i'm having some issues with installing linux-kernel-devel, it says it cant install because of missing dependencies, one of which is debhelper. if i try and install debhelper i get errors about the package not being available... can anyone help me?
[06:21] <seidos> dell, hp, system76
[06:21] <Billiard1> losha: how do you try to use the sio ?
[06:21] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: going to log off and try this. it should work. as last time i did the same kind of thing on a non hfs volumn and it worked most of the way
[06:21] <Billiard1> losha: iso*
[06:21] <GamerKnight> Jordan_U: thanks for the help again mate. i will let you know how it goes
[06:21] <aboeing> this is the exact error message: "Package debhelper is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:21] <aboeing> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:21] <aboeing> is only available from another source
[06:21] <aboeing> E: Package debhelper has no installation candidate"
[06:22] <Flannel> aboeing: Please pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get update`
[06:22] <FloodBot5> aboeing: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:22] <jahnkeanater> how do i set up my router and my web sight
[06:22] <draco1234> aboeing, try selecting a different repository in system>>administration>>software sources
[06:22] <losha> Billiard1: mad reports problems reading an iso created under vista...
[06:22] <draco1234> aboeing, and then refresh the package list...
[06:23] <Billiard1> losha: sorry, im not familiar with mad
[06:23] <jahnkeanater> i would like to be able to use the WOL function on my router to turn on my server
[06:23] <aboeing> draco1234: which repository do i choose? normal, restricted, universe, or multiverse?
[06:23] <Flannel> aboeing: Please pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get update`
[06:23] <kstarr> no, thats the one i wanted you to see http://greener-better.com/
[06:23] <losha> Billiard1: mad is the name of an irc user recently on this channel :-)
[06:23] <kstarr> I meant this one:  http://2ndh.com
[06:23] <draco1234> aboeing, oh, those should all be enabled... I meant, the part where it says "Download From:"
[06:23] <aboeing> Flannel: update works fine, it hits security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/.... etc.
[06:23] <aboeing> draco1234: oh ok, i'm using the terminal, no gui.
[06:23] <Billiard1> losha: o so mad has the iso problem, sorry
[06:24] <Flannel> aboeing: Right, but it's handy to determine which repos you have.
[06:24] <losha> Billiard1: :-)
[06:24] <mad> I solved my problem. I mounted the iso with "-t udf" instead of "-t iso9660". Just in case anyone is interested. :)
[06:24] <jiga123123> hello everyone! I need some advice on disk partitioning, can someone help around here?
[06:24] <Billiard1> mad: you might be able to leave of the -t option completely
[06:25] <Billiard1> jiga123123: just ask the question
[06:25] <draco1234> aboeing, ok then... in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:25] <mad> Billiard1: hmm, that option didn't even come to my mind
[06:25] <losha> Mad: presumably this was an option when you created the iso, you could have chosen iso9660 format...
[06:25] <aboeing> Flannel: unfortunately, i can't get "lynx" to install on the computer either, so i can't paste the output
[06:26] <cfedde> jiga123123: the answer is: most of the time don't bother.
[06:26] <mad> losha: that's the problem, i didn't create it myself :)
[06:26] <aboeing> draco1234: i've added those sources ot the sources.list, and done another update, but i still can't install the kernel devel package
[06:26] <Flannel> aboeing: w3m is installed by default
[06:26] <losha> mad: good to know the solution then....
[06:27] <draco1234> aboeing, is there any way you can post your sources.list file?
[06:27] <Flannel> draco1234, aboeing: posting the output to `sudo apt-get update` gives you the contents of the sources.list, and sources.list.d
[06:28] <bashca> hi there
[06:28] <bashca> can u help me  reqonized my  zte data card  on  koala ???
[06:28] <aboeing> uhm, how do I copy the content of a text file into w3m?
[06:29] <jiga123123> Thanks billiard1! I have a ~280gb harddrive, laptop, and my plan is to have dual-boot with W7(i don't pay MS, so don't think i'm an infidel) and Ubuntu (is 9.10 the best one to use right now?). And I am wondering how many partitions I should make. It sounds like for W7 i will only need 1 ntfs partition, bbut not sure how big. About ubuntu - I heard that I should make Reiser for system partition, and Something else for the other files. S
[06:29] <jiga123123> o the ultimate question I have: how many and what size and what type of FS partitions do you think i should make? thank you!
[06:29] <nightvisio> Wtf: does ext4 also take some space for directories?
[06:29] <seidos> jiga123123: what do you think?
[06:29] <nightvisio> For example, my 10 files ~= 35.7 kb; when I click `Properties` on the whole directory, it shows me over 47 kb
[06:30] <jiga123123> seidos, what do i think on what?
[06:30] <Billiard1> jiga123123: i would use ext3 or 4 for linux not reiser, for size depends how much and what you want to do with each os
[06:30] <MenZa> jiga123123: Well, Windows 7 uses a single NTFS partition with 100MB of empty space in front of it I believe. In addition to that, I'd recommend a small / partition, and a large /home partition. Both formatted as ext4.
[06:30] <SwedeMike> jiga123123: W7 makes two partitions per default. Just install w7 and then do ubuntu install, it'll resize the w7 partition for you if you want to. The size is up to you, your hd is big to hold both OSes, all depends where you want to store files.
[06:30] <MenZa> jiga123123: In addition, if you have <4GB RAM, use a swap partition for that.
[06:30] <seidos> jiga123123: nm, didn't click that you were talking to a specific user
[06:31] <jiga123123> ---me reading...
[06:31] <Phoenix325> Is there by anychance a way to find out what commands each keyboard shortcut does?
[06:31] <floppyears> hi, I'm trying to setup lirc in ubuntu karmic with no luck
[06:31] <floppyears> does somebody here use lirc_mceusb ?
[06:31] <draco1234> nightvisio, you probably have hidden files you weren't noticing
[06:32] <Phoenix325> Like knowing the command the creates the "CTRL + ALT +D" effect.
[06:32] <nightvisio> draco1234, I have no hidden file
[06:32] <nightvisio> ls -all show me nothing else
[06:32] <Flannel> aboeing: If your editor is set to vim, you can do `:read !command` and it'll put the output of that command (try cat for the file you store the output in)
[06:32] <draco1234> nightvisio, see, that just proves how well hidden it is
[06:33] <nightvisio> draco1234, how to make sure?
[06:33] <jiga123123> what is the difference between ext3 and ext4? and why no ruse reiser, if they say it's better for many small system files?
[06:33] <draco1234> nightvisio, honestly, I'm using ext3 and all my folders take 4kb
[06:34] <losha> nightvisio: open a terminal, cd to your directory, and run du -h
[06:34] <nightvisio> Whoah
[06:34] <nightvisio> Second...
[06:34] <draco1234> jiga123123, reiser is on the way out, since the main developer, Hans Reiser, killed his wife and went to jail, and everybody quit
[06:34] <Billiard> jiga123123: some people have problems with ext4, and ext3 is more that enough for most people
[06:35] <Phoenix325> The purpose of this is to replicated the CTRL + ALT + D shortcut to something else.
[06:35] <losha> jiga123123: if you choose ext3, you can use almost any linux with it, including 3rd party rescue disks and live cds. That's a good thing...
[06:35] <jiga123123> draco1234: Crazy story!
[06:36] <jiga123123> losha: what about ext4? why ubuntu uses it as a default fs?
[06:36] <jiga123123> billiard: pls tell me what is different in ext4 from ext3?
[06:36] <losha> jiga123123: it's supposed to be faster, but it's also newer, which means less stable, and harder to debug, and less compatible with things like super grub disk....
[06:36] <nightvisio> Hmm:
[06:36] <nightvisio> nerijus@nerijus-desktop:/media/sda5/xGame SDK 1.0/include/xGame$ du -h
[06:36] <nightvisio> 40K	./container
[06:36] <nightvisio> 20K	./specification
[06:36] <nightvisio> 12K	./algorithm
[06:36] <nightvisio> 80K	.
[06:36] <FloodBot5> nightvisio: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:36] <draco1234> jiga123123, haha yeah, look at the last column in this comparison chart: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/resierreiserererer.jpg
[06:37] <bashca> hello
[06:37] <Phoenix325> -.- Pastebin...
[06:37] <Billiard> jiga123123: ubuntu used ext4 because they wanted to be cool and hip with a new default fs lol
[06:37] <nightvisio> OK. ;-)
[06:37] <Phoenix325> Hi bashca.
[06:37] <bashca> any help  on  zte  data czrd
[06:37] <bashca> Phoenix325: hi
[06:37] <bashca> data card
[06:38] <bashca> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 05c6:6539 Qualcomm, Inc.
[06:38] <jahnkeanater> did older ubuntu use ext3
[06:38] <losha> jiga123123: ubuntu were also on a release deadline, so not everything they released was ready....
[06:38] <Billiard> jahnkeanater: 9.10 was the first release to use ext4 as default
[06:39] <jahnkeanater> hmm i need to check what i have
[06:39] <jiga123123> And the question is still: i read somewhere that it is a safer bet to make something like 1 parttttn for system of linux, and 1 partitin for "home" folder. is that true? how does it worK?
[06:39] <bashca> [ 3663.350662] pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket0: pccard: card ejected from slot 0
[06:39] <jahnkeanater> wow i still have 8.04
[06:39] <jahnkeanater> how do i run the update for that
[06:39] <losha> jahnkeanater: so do I. Nothing wrong with that. It's an lts, designed for long term use...
[06:39] <Billiard> jiga123123: separate partition for home makes it easy to do a fresh install and keep all your user data
[06:40] <losha> !lts
[06:40] <jiga123123> hey, guys, it's cool that this is a ubuntu channel and you say that I shouldn't use the fs that comes in the package, i will definitely switch to ext3 when i can))
[06:40] <doc|suk|dik> hi!
[06:40] <geezlouise> Anyone ever recieve an error while publishing a webpage that site cannot be published to speicified location, please help.
[06:40] <jahnkeanater> is 9 still in beta or something
[06:40] <maco> Billiard: 8.04+ do not overwrite /home if you choose manual partitioning, use same partition as /, and choose not to format it
[06:40] <draco1234> jahnkeanater, that would be a pretty complicated update... I'd just download the new install cd and start with that
[06:40] <maco> jahnkeanater: 9.04 and 9.10 are both stable releases
[06:40] <maco> jahnkeanater: the next stable release will be 10.04
[06:41] <jahnkeanater> so i cant use the update manager in ubuntu to upgrade to 9
[06:41] <losha> jahnkeanater: note that 'stable' is entirely a matter of opinion....
[06:41] <jiga123123> billiard: that was really my initial question. How helpful is that? any other trick of that kind? cause I found that whenever i installed something wrond in ubuntu and xubuntu, only the reinstall+format helped to go back :((
[06:41] <Toad> hi all. Just installed karmic. Mostly good, except now where terminal used to do the annoying pcspkr beep, it's attempting and failing to do some other kind of beep, and instead of beeping just results in my speakers popping
[06:41] <Billiard> geezlouise: you use the wrong password or path?
[06:41] <Toad> (eg running "beep" from command line pops the speakers)
[06:41] <ron-l-j> :d
[06:41] <Toad> if I run "beep" several times in a row, it only pops the first time
[06:41] <draco1234> jahnkeanater, you could use the update manager, but it will probably try to download gigabytes of stuff, and it might not get the packages right since you are a few versions behind
[06:41] <maco> jahnkeanater: sure you can. itll just take one more round to reach 9.10 than 9.04
[06:41] <jahnkeanater> hmm i might do that later i dont feel like backing up my home folder now
[06:42] <jahnkeanater> yea
[06:42] <Toad> I'm guessing it's doing something like sleeping my sound card when nothing's going into it, and then when it wakes it back up, it pops
[06:42] <Toad> (OSX does this same thing on my other computer)
[06:42] <Jordan_U> Toad: You will probably notice the same pop any time you try to play any sound
[06:42] <jahnkeanater> o i have to do i one version at a time
[06:42] <Toad> Jordan_U: yea, pretty sure it's not just the beep
[06:42] <jahnkeanater> yea ill save that for another day
[06:42] <jiga123123> draco1234 thanks for cool link. why did he do that, and... does that make everyone not use reiserFS from then, or is the FS not as good?
[06:42] <doc|suk|dik> hi
[06:42] <Toad> Jordan_U: yea, just confirmed with mplayer
[06:42] <Toad> any idea how to turn off the automatic sound device sleeping?
[06:42] <Billiard> jiga123123: what could you install wrong? if you use the package manager everything can be easily uninstalled, make backups of your config files if you manually change them
[06:43] <jahnkeanater> i got my web sight working how do i enable my router also
[06:43] <maco> jiga123123: for my family's computers, i use ext4 on / for speed and ext3 on /home for safety (my own computer is all ext4, but then i carry install discs everywhere)
[06:43] <maco> jiga123123: (and i have backups)
[06:43] <Billiard> jahnkeanater: enable your router?
[06:43] <jahnkeanater> the web config page
[06:43] <losha> jiga123123: he killed her because she insisted on using ext4...
[06:43] <jahnkeanater> like <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:43] <Jordan_U> Toad: I can tell you that pulseaudio is the direction to be looking
[06:43] <jahnkeanater> but over the internet
[06:43] <Billiard> hahahaha losha
[06:44] <Toad> Jordan_U: yea, figured. thanks
[06:44] <Toad> wasn't sure if this were a known bug. googling some more
[06:44] <jiga123123> maco Thanks!
[06:44] <Toad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/456022 looks right
[06:44] <jahnkeanater> can i type a port # after my domain to di that
[06:44] <jiga123123> maco, what size do you give to '/'?
[06:44] <maco> losha: that was in very poor taste
[06:44] <lein> got a major problem that i haven't been able to fix.  when i boot grub give error 15 file not found. i drop to grub-shell and load kernel and initrd then boot. the kernel starts to load then kernel panic - not s
[06:44] <jiga123123> losha, _))) that's the way to go!__D
[06:44] <Toad> aha! power_save options to snd_hda_intel look like the culprit
[06:44] <losha> maco: thank you....
[06:44] <maco> jiga123123: for normal use i had a 10GB / but now i use 15GB since i need space for lots of development tools
[06:45] <Toad> Jordan_U: thanks for standing by as I googled ;-)
[06:45] <draco1234> jiga123123, Well, I think he had some mental difficulties and a wierd relationship with his wife... at any rate, his conviction for murder kind of tarnished the reputation of the project.
[06:45] <Jordan_U> Toad: np :)
[06:45] <wanceu> halo kambing
[06:45] <wanceu> ahlan wa sahlan
[06:45] <jahnkeanater> when i forward port 80 it replaces the config page with my web page but i would still like to use the config page from over the web
[06:46] <losha> draco1234: which is odd. You'd think it would be a killer filesystem....
[06:46] <Toad> Jordan_U: my poor speakers thank you as well :)
[06:46] <Billiard> jahnkeanater: i wouldnt recomend using the config page from the web, some routers will let you change the port for the router config to to wan
[06:46] <Billiard> jahnkeanater: to the wan
[06:47] <draco1234> losha, true but the last thing you want in a filesystem is unpredictable deletions...
[06:47] <losha> draco1234: :-)
[06:47] <jahnkeanater> y not i have a password on it o want the WOL feature
[06:48] <jahnkeanater> is there an easier way to set up WOL
[06:48] <Billiard> jahnkeanater: because passwords are insecure, and someone can get in to your router config and forward any port they want
[06:49] <jahnkeanater> what does the firewall on my pc do then
[06:49] <jiga123123> billiard, some packages give description that is not complete really. in my case, with all 9.10: ubuntu - install it, but the soundcard disappears. reinstall - it's there. than after some wrong step, whatever it was - soundcard would disappear again. hours googling - i restart alsa manually - sound and soundcard back in the mixer. reboot - soundcard not there again... so i try xubuntu - i like the looks and customizability (for a newbie
[06:49] <jiga123123> ) of xfce, and the performance supposedly increases. the sound works correctly in xubuntu. but the sound recording not working. And the main thing was also that in xubu I couldnt make the sound play from USB headset(it was recognised and all, but i had no idea how to switch)..... what can i say - I am not giving up that easily! here i am looking for help))
[06:49] <jahnkeanater> is there ESET NOD32 for ubuntu
[06:50] <jahnkeanater> i dont see a reason for it tho
[06:50] <Billiard> jahnkeanater: block connections from the internet And lan, prevent outgoing connections
[06:50] <jiga123123> are there many antiviruses for ubuntu?
[06:50] <jiga123123> maco, thnx, 15gb, noted.
[06:51] <Billiard> jiga123123: dont really need an antivirus, but there is clamav, ubuntu and xbuntu are almost the same, just a different gui
[06:51] <maco> jiga123123: thats just because if you have a ton of -dbg and -dev and -doc packages installed for development...plus the entirety of texlive...things can get rather full
[06:51] <indus> Billiard: how would anyone getinto a router?
[06:51] <Ayhee> hai..
[06:51] <jahnkeanater> am i unsafe without my router then
[06:51] <lein> got a major problem that i haven't been able to fix.  when i boot grub give error 15 file not found. i drop to grub-shell and load kernel and initrd then boot. the kernel starts to load then says: Done. Gave up waiting for root device. ALERT! does not exist. Dropping to Shell! then drops to busy-box / initramfs
[06:52] <Ayhee> how to build gateway server with carmic koala??
[06:52] <Billiard> indus: he has the router management available on the web with a password
[06:52] <Ayhee> how to build gateway server with carmic koala??
[06:52] <indus> Billiard: on the web? meaning?
[06:52] <Billiard> indus: connectable from anyone
[06:52] <dragon> what's the downside of using amd64 arch?
[06:52] <Ayhee> dragon : how to build gateway server with carmic koala??
[06:53] <needhelp1> i need some help, i have a belkin router im trying to set up.. and i cant get it to work right.. its asking for a host name to connect to my ISP.. what is this?
[06:53] <Billiard> indus: not just the lan, anyone can connect from the entire internet
[06:53] <armornick> dragon: 64 bit support is very good with linux
[06:53] <dragon> Ayhee: what do you mean by gateway?
[06:53] <indus> Billiard: how is that possible?
[06:53] <Ayhee> ?
[06:53] <jiga123123> billiard, no they are not)) after i tried to install sound recorder, which is ubuntuonly, i accidentally installed some ubu-specific sound packages. and the i had extra menu items in the sound mixer, which I really did not want. is xfce really faster that gnome? Why is gnome The most popular?
[06:53] <Billiard> indus: um, internet protocol? how is what possible
[06:53] <indus> Ayhee: heeya
[06:53] <Ayhee> i need some help how to build gateway server with carmic koala??
[06:53] <MisterK85> Hi everyone. Just wondering why my Wireless card isn't working in Ubuntu 9.10. It worked in prior releases, but not now.
[06:53] <armornick> needhelp1: what are you trying to set up exactly?
[06:53] <needhelp1> my router.. to get wifi
[06:53] <indus> Billiard: i have a router too, no one can seee it
[06:54] <needhelp1> armornick: my router to get wifi to work
[06:54] <Billiard> indus: you can turn off/on remote management
[06:54] <armornick> MisterK85: what wireless chip do you have?
[06:54] <dragon> armornick: yes, I realize that. Is there something 64-bit is missing?
[06:54] <dragon> !amd64
[06:54] <Billiard> indus: it probably is always off by default
[06:54] <indus> Billiard: yeah ok
[06:54] <needhelp1> armornick: right now im connected directly from the modem.. but when i attempt to connect the router in the setup it asks for my host name.. im not sure what this is
[06:54] <MisterK85> It's a Dell Wireless 1395.  Broadcom chipset.
[06:54] <Ayhee> !gateway
[06:54] <armornick> needhelp1: do you have a dynamic or static IP adress?
[06:54] <needhelp1> armornick: dynamic i think
[06:54] <Billiard> needhelp1: depends on your isp, but you can probably put anything
[06:55] <armornick> MisterK85: you have to install the drivers manually in this version
[06:55] <Billiard> needhelp1: or blank
[06:55] <needhelp1> bill armornick i tried putting like test.. or anything.. but i could never get it to work.. in the web admin setup thin.. 192.168 .. top right hand corner just says Connection disabled
[06:55] <MisterK85> armornick: how abouts would i do that? lol
[06:55] <armornick> MisterK85: it's the package bcmwl-kernel-source
[06:55] <needhelp1> Billiard: armornick i cant figure out how to turn it on
[06:55] <aboeing> draco1234, Flannel: thanks for your help, i figured out the issue, i had to add another mirror to the sources.list
[06:55] <jiga123123>  the soundcard disappears. reinstall - it's there. than after some wrong step, whatever it was - soundcard would disappear again. hours googling - i restart alsa manually - sound and soundcard back in the mixer. reboot - soundcard not there again... - what is the origin and solution of such problem?
[06:56] <Billiard> needhelp1: is there a setting to choose your connection type?
[06:56] <armornick> MisterK85: can you connect with a wired network?
[06:56] <draco1234> aboeing, super!
[06:56] <indus> Ayhee: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN
[06:56] <needhelp1> yeah.. i pick dynamic and then it asks for a hostname.. i put like TEST or something.. it refreshes and nothing happens
[06:56] <MisterK85> armornick: I can, yep. Lemme get a network cord
[06:56] <needhelp1> still says disabled
[06:56] <jiga123123> cause the liveCD runs the sound and the soundcard recognised all fine.
[06:56] <Billiard> jiga123123: i would say "wrong setup" is the cause
[06:56] <Billiard> jiga123123: whatever that is
[06:57] <armornick> MisterK85: then you can use synaptic to install the package bcmwl-kernel-source, and reboot
[06:57] <Billiard> jiga123123: "wrong step"*
[06:57] <lein> i've RTFM'ed and read through the forum can't find a solution and tried a few without success. and tried everything i can thing of without reinstall or using :recover a broken system on live cd.
[06:57] <armornick> lein: what's the problem?
[06:58] <jiga123123> billliard: then what can it be? cause again - live cd recognises the soundcard alll fine. why does it happen so that after installation, ubuntu sound mixer would stop seeing my soundcard?
[06:58] <lein> got a major problem that i haven't been able to fix.  when i boot grub give error 15 file not found. i drop to grub-shell and load kernel and initrd then boot. the kernel starts to load then says: Done. Gave up waiting for root device. ALERT! does not exist. Dropping to Shell! then drops to busy-box / initramfs
[06:58] <armornick> needhelp1: can you upload a picture of your setup home page somewhere?
[06:58] <Sahkolihaa> lein: Is this a fresh install, and have you got multiple SATA drives?
[06:58] <needhelp1> armornick: for some reason it wont let me access the homepage unless i am pluged into the router
[06:58] <needhelp1> ill brb
[06:58] <needhelp1> im gona try again
[06:58] <needhelp1> will you still be here armornick?
[06:59] <armornick> needhelp1: sure
[06:59] <needhelp1> kk thanks
[06:59] <draco1234> lein, how did that happen?
[06:59] <needhelp1> brb
[06:59] <FloodBot5> needhelp1: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:59] <jahnkeanater> if i change port 85 to <IP_ADDRESS> will that let me use my routers config
[06:59] <Billiard> jiga123123: after a fresh install no modifications, sound doesnt work anymore?
[06:59] <losha> jiga123123: dunno the cause or the solution, but ubuntu users have been reporting sound problems on this channel from 8.10 onwards. If all else fails, you might try 8.04 LTS
[06:59] <Billiard> jahnkeanater: yes
[07:00] <jahnkeanater> would both be 85 or is one suposed to be 80 still
[07:00] <MisterK85> armornick: i cannot find that package
[07:00] <lein> sahkoliha: it was from a fresh install like 8 months go. just updated the kernel to 2.6.28-16-generic a week ago been trying to fix since
[07:00] <Sahkolihaa> lein: Ah, I'll have to let someone else help then I'm afraid (I had this issue but it was regarding have multiple SATA drives and a bug in the installer).
[07:00] <jahnkeanater> nvm yay it works
[07:00] <armornick> MisterK85: that's odd
[07:00] <Billiard> jahnkeanater: most routers let you change the remote management port, but if it doesnt try forwarding a port source 85 destination <IP_ADDRESS>:85
[07:01] <Billiard> jahnkeanater:  sorry <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[07:01] <Phoenix325> Is there by anychance a way to find out what commands each keyboard shortcut does? (And for example I mean the SOURCE that's behind the magics of ctrl+alt+d ).
[07:01] <armornick> MisterK85: I guess you could try manually installing it: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[07:01] <lein> sahkoliha: sorry single sata partitioned to:  /boot, /, /usr. /home, /var, swap
[07:01] <Billiard> Phoenix325: you check the keyboard shortcuts from the menu?
[07:02] <armornick> Phoenix325: the source is implemented in gnome itself, so that's going to be hard
[07:02] <lein> sahkoliha: ty anyway
[07:02] <jiga123123> well, I think it depends on 1) whether i have a headphone in the headphone plug of the laptop, or 2) on a random thing, but on my asus laptop sometimes after ubuntu install the sound would work right away, and sometimes it would not work... magic. But sound works with livecd. And i find sound very important))
[07:02] <MisterK85> armornick: found it, got hidden away somehow.
[07:02] <jiga123123> billiard
[07:02] <lein> sahkoliha: sorry got a bit of lag
[07:02] <losha> lein: can you boot the live cd?
[07:02] <lein> losha yes
[07:03] <armornick> MisterK85: if it doesn't work after you reboot, try running 'sudo modprobe wl' in a terminal
[07:03] <Billiard> jiga123123: yeah idk, lots of people have sound problems, they need to fix that
[07:03] <Phoenix325> Billiard & armornick: I'm trying to like "replicate" the "minimize all" button.
[07:03] <losha> lein: what os version?
[07:03] <draco1234> Phoenix325, are you using compiz or metacity?
[07:03] <jiga123123> billiard: where would i get 8.04? and how does it really differ from 9.10? like xp and vista?=D
[07:03] <gheddy_zarc> is there a way to make usb drives automatcilly mount in 9.10 ?? instead of unplugging and plugging it back in ?
[07:03] <lein> losha: 9.04 with kernel 2.6.28-16-generic
[07:03] <Phoenix325> Because the "preconfigured" commands isn't telling me how. I think it's "Metacity".
[07:03] <Billiard> Phoenix325: there might be a command to minimize all, or you might be able to send the keyboard shortcut if that doesnt work
[07:04] <jiga123123> billiard: "lots of people have sound problems, they need to fix that" do you know who would be able to fix that?
[07:04] <jiga123123> billiard: where would i get 8.04? and how does it really differ from 9.10? like xp and vista?=D
[07:04] <losha> lein: from the live cd, check your /boot/grub/menu.lst file. It gets rewritten when you add a new kernel. See if you have an older version you can revert to...
[07:04] <GamerKnight> Hey people i am using Ubuntu 8.10 64bit. i can not seem to find refit in the repos. can anyone help. i can find it fine using Linux Mint
[07:04] <Phoenix325> The problem is... "I do not know how they did that".
[07:04] <armornick> Phoenix325: you should be able to change that in the keyboard shortcuts menu; it's called show desktop
[07:04] <Billiard> jiga123123: i dont know if 8.04 is still supported with security updates
[07:04] <draco1234> Phoenix325, well then you can edit the shortcuts in a more advanced way by running "gconf-editor" and navigating to apps>>metacity
[07:05] <doc|suk|dik> 08:01 < doc|suk|dik> how did a netherlands person
[07:05] <doc|suk|dik> 08:01 < doc|suk|dik> know about a UHF advertisement from america around 1986
[07:05] <Billiard> jiga123123: it should be still available on the ubuntu mirrors i think
[07:05] <doc|suk|dik> 08:01 < doc|suk|dik> "Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER"]
[07:05] <armornick> Billiard: it is, since it's an LTS release
[07:05] <lein> losha: already did that menu.lst is good even commented out the new kernel and still get same result
[07:06] <jiga123123> 9.10... 6 month 9.04, + 6 8.10, + 6 8.04 is around 1.5-2 years old. how did ubuntu change from that time? what version do you use?
[07:06] <lein> losha: can't boot to any of my back up kernels or recovery console
[07:07] <armornick> jiga123123: it's simply package upgrades and some new technologies
[07:07] <linuxguy2009> Does anyone here really know what is going on with the continued use of pulseaudio yet on distros that use it, like Ubuntu, have so many sound issues? Is it pulseaudio just not ready for primetime or programmers not writing code to use it properly or can someone explain the reasoning for basing sound on something that appears to be pretty much broken?
[07:07] <Flannel> doc|suk|dik: Please stay ontopic, thanks.
[07:07] <losha> lein: can you check the uuids and paths in the menu.lst? Also, check the device.map. Lastly, try reinstalling grub. Nothing to lose at this stage...
[07:07] <armornick> linuxguy2009: just uninstall it
[07:08] <dragon> how can i enable proprietary drivers from the command line?
[07:08] <linuxguy2009> armornick: Im in 9.10, how do I get back my volume applet?
[07:08] <armornick> dragon: with modprobe if you know what they're called
[07:08] <jiga123123> armornick, what kind of new tech?
[07:08] <dragon> armornick: what's the command?
[07:08] <dragon> armornick: ah, I need to have the drivers.
[07:08] <maco> dragon: you can install them with "sudo apt-get install" but you need to know which driver you want first
[07:08] <soreau> linuxguy2009: Apparently its the technically correct unix philosophy way of doing it
[07:09] <armornick> dragon: sudo modprobe and then the name of the driver to load it after you install it
[07:09] <maco> armornick: dragon is asking about installing proprietary drivers
[07:09] <losha> linuxguy2009: the thing about time-based releases is, you have to release, ready or not...
[07:09] <doc|suk|dik> i wonder why ubuntu has trojans in it
[07:09] <KiKiTou> Hola
[07:09] <armornick> maco: yeah, but you have to load them too after you install them
[07:09] <soreau> linuxguy2009: iirc, the volume applet is in the tray so you need to add a tray to your panel if you dont have one already
[07:09] <linuxguy2009> soreau: Are you on 9.10?
[07:09] <lein> losha: yes you can checck uuids and did there good checked against fstab device map looked ok. tryed super grub disk without success still coudn't booot
[07:09] <maco> armornick: not manually each time... put it in /etc/modules and reboot
[07:10] <soreau> linuxguy2009: Not per se
[07:10] <armornick> jiga123123: well they change from HAL to devicekit to make hardware loading better, for example
[07:10] <linuxguy2009> soreau: Well that worked in 9.04 , but in 9.10 you lose the volume applet from your system completely. I have no idea whos idea it was but I dont like it.
[07:10] <jiga123123> guys, is there an open web resourse or some particular book that would turn a newbie to a person who can understand linux and ubuntu and solve problems?
[07:10] <armornick> jiga123123: and the pulseaudio framework you hear everyone complain about
[07:11] <seidos> what laptops have the best firmware?
[07:11] <soreau> linuxguy2009: You dont lose it, it just exist in the tray now
[07:11] <armornick> jiga123123: ubuntuguide.org
[07:11] <linuxguy2009> soreau: What?
[07:11] <jiga123123> armornick, so should i switch to 8.04 if i have troubles with sound in 9.10? really? or just keep trying to find solution?
[07:11] <losha> lein: sorry, no more ideas for you....
[07:12] <linuxguy2009> soreau: In 9.10 is the tray volume applet goes away when you remove pulseaudio.
[07:12] <Phoenix325> armornick: I'm not looking to change those, it's more like "replicating what already exists".                               draco1234: This makes a shortcut, but apparently, it's a shortcut to no where.
[07:12] <armornick> jiga123123: try uninstalling pulseaudio and using ALSA instead
[07:12] <Billiard> jiga123123: if it was me i would look for a solution, someone on the ubuntu forums might have your same computer with a solution
[07:12] <linuxguy2009> soreau: It appears that even when you try and add applets to the panel its completely gone.
[07:12] <soreau> linuxguy2009: Well if thats the case, idk. I didnt recommend removing pulseaudio
[07:12] <armornick> Phoenix325: there should be an app called xmacro to create a script that does something similar
[07:13] <linuxguy2009> Seems lots of distros have adopted pulseaudio like Ubuntu and its broken.
[07:13] <lein> losha: ty  anyway. guess ill reinstall grub and see what happens
[07:13] <draco1234> Phoenix325, um, the shortcuts in metacity/global_keybindings run the commands in matacity/keybindings_commands
[07:13] <Salvad1> Hello.
[07:13] <losha> jiga123123: it's your call. But if you're doing a lot of reinstalling, I don't see what you've got to lose, unless there's some 9.X feature you can't live without....
[07:13] <indus> jiga123123: use oss its much better
[07:13] <Salvad1> Is it possible to use the latest Nvidia drivers on ubuntu 9.10?
[07:14] <cdm10> I'm having issues with Folder Sharing on Karmic -- is this a known issue?
[07:14] <jiga123123> indus: how would i use that in gnome? and ubuntu come with alsa by default...
[07:14] <KiKiTou> how quit channel without disconnect?
[07:14] <seidos> indus: do you think that's what ubuntu will use in the future?
[07:14] <KiKiTou> irssi cliente sorry
[07:14] <Flannel> KiKiTou: /part
[07:14] <KiKiTou> gratzie
[07:14] <KiKiTou> :)
[07:14] <Phoenix325> draco1234: Wait, what? How?
[07:14] <Flannel> KiKiTou: or /wc (window close)
[07:14] <linuxguy2009> Do any 9.10 users have a solution to remove pulseaudio but keep the volume control applet on the panel?
[07:14] <KiKiTou> (Y) okey
[07:14] <Phoenix325> You totally lost me there.
[07:14] <seidos> sup Flannel
[07:14] <KiKiTou> yes :P
[07:15] <Flannel> Howdy seidos
[07:15] <armornick> linuxguy2009: don't think so
[07:15] <indus> oss4 is very good i hear, and also, i have never seen any application not play good with oss and no regressions either
[07:15] <KiKiTou> install ubuntu 2 days :P
[07:15] <Billiard> linuxguy2009: maybe there is a package you need to install gnome alsa mixer or something?
[07:15] <indus> especially with 9.10, i had alsa problems also, so i run some gamees with oss
[07:15] <linuxguy2009> Billiard: Thats what Im thinking I just dont know what would be the package for that panel applet to control ALSA.
[07:15] <losha> cdm10: I don't think there's a known issue with folder sharing. Doesn't ring a bell...
[07:16] <draco1234> Phoenix325, for example, in /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_12, you can define the keys that will run whever program you put inside /apps/metacity/keybindings_commands/command_12
[07:16] <cdm10> losha: bleh. It's working now, but very iffily. It's never worked reliably for me...
[07:16] <indus> the thing is, newer distros kill older apps
[07:16] <indus> what about the games from 1990 - 2005 , they all suffer with new pulseaudio .alsa etd
[07:16] <linuxguy2009> Billiard: gnome-alsamixer think thats it?
[07:16] <indus> but they play nice with oss
[07:17] <Billiard> linuxguy2009: could be, you could make a launcher for that, if it doesnt work
[07:17] <indus> jiga123123: there is a package called alsa-oss which lets u use oss
[07:17] <indus> jiga123123: just install it
[07:17] <linuxguy2009> Billiard: K ill give it a try.
[07:17] <indus> jiga123123: it lets you play some apps with oss support
[07:17] <jiga123123> losha: i though 9.10 is should be much faster-better-secure, since its 4 version ahead of 8.04... will i be able to install all cool and useful software on 8.04?
[07:18] <armornick> jiga123123: older versions, yes
[07:18] <Phoenix325> draco1234: Just checking in keybinding_commands, I do not see a connection to anything having to do with "show desktop" fron global_keybindings
[07:18] <armornick> jiga123123: they will be more tested and stable
[07:18] <indus> jiga123123: if you are looking for cool, use 9.10
[07:18] <indus> armornick: why would they be more tested? that version too releases in 6 months
[07:19] <bigmack83_> in gparted, i have a harddrive with a partition at the end of the harddrive. if i expand that partition to the left, will it try to move the data already on the partition or will it keep it there and just expand the partitoin size? i ask because if its going to need to move the data i have a lot of files there and would prefer to move them manually
[07:19] <indus> for example, 10.04 work has started just a month ago
[07:19] <indus> no reason why it should be more stable really
[07:19] <armornick> indus: it's a long term release, which means the packages are stabler because they are working on it longer
[07:19] <indus> LTS
[07:19] <indus> no body is working on it longer
[07:19] <indus> it only means, the support cycle is longer
[07:20] <armornick> yes it is, since 10.04 == 9.10
[07:20] <maco> armornick: um no
[07:20] <indus> ==?
[07:20] <indus> what is that
[07:20] <maco> armornick: 9.10 an 10.04 are two different releases
[07:20] <bigmack83_> == = is equal to
[07:20] <indus> its not equivalent
[07:20] <maco> indus: == is a test for equality
[07:20] <indus> yea i know !=
[07:20] <armornick> maco: i'm explaining it wrong...
[07:21] <indus> LTS is long term support , not 'like it stable'
[07:21] <draco1234> Phoenix325, ah yes, I was being more general. "Showing the desktop" is not a command, but a function of the window manager. If you want to try controlling your window manager with terminal comands, install the package "wmctrl"
[07:21] <armornick> indus: the underlying packages (kernel, etc) are still the same so they have more time to make it stable
[07:21] <maco> armornick: no theyre not
[07:21] <maco> armornick: 10.04 will likely have 2.6.32
[07:21] <bigmack83_> in gparted if i expand a partition to the left will it move the files or keep them there and just expand the partitoin size?
[07:21] <indus> armornick: why is the kernel the same?
[07:22] <losha> jiga123123: newer isn't always better when it comes to software.
[07:22] <jiga123123> indus: some apps, not all? and the 'cool' i mean my subjective cool, meaning all working the way i want it, and being able to install software that would work and customize the appearance and of course get perforamnce since my cpu is 1.66 and even though it's dual core, it feel slow.
[07:22] <maco> armornick: 9.04 has 2.6.31. not the same
[07:22] <maco> armornick: we're syncing from Debian Testing for 10.04
[07:22] <indus> jiga123123: hmm
[07:22] <abhifx> hi there. i have a simple problem. i have no borders in gnome.can someone help me?
[07:22] <jiga123123> losha: agreed. Which version of the ubuntu u use?
[07:22] <maco> indus: the kernel will not be the same. armornick doesn't know what they're talking about
[07:22] <indus> jiga123123: try and see what is best for you
[07:22] <indus> maco: and you do? :D
[07:22] <visitor1> hi people, anybody managed to install inkscape 0.47 under xubuntu 9.4?
[07:23] <losha> indus: I disagree. 8.04 LTS gets important bugfixes without getting new features. Over time, that makes it more stable...
[07:23] <maco> indus: i was at UDS and in the kernel team sessions
[07:23] <indus> losha: yeah over time yes which is sad
[07:23] <indus> losha: it aint stable at release
[07:23] <armornick> losha: thanks for saying what I meant to say ;)
[07:23] <losha> jiga123123: I use 8.04 lts
[07:23] <draco1234> abhifx, try running the command "metacity --replace"
[07:23] <xonecas> Has anyone notice the same website and same browser displaying the fonts incorrectly in ubuntu and fine in windows ?
[07:23] <indus> maco: ook
[07:23] <Parsi> how to change user password via terminal?
[07:23] <jiga123123> indus: no hmm. I am just NEW to linux!)) that makes me stupid, yep.  would things like compiz and other stuff work on 8.10? wifi, lan, graphics, sound, all the stuff?
[07:24] <Billiard> visitor1: try installing from the package manager?
[07:24] <armornick> xonecas: the webmaster is using windows fonts
[07:24] <indus> Parsi: sudo passwd username
[07:24] <indus> jiga123123: naah use the latest ones for wireless etc working fine
[07:24] <Phoenix325> Alright, thanks draco1234 and armornick.
[07:24] <armornick> xonecas: you have to install the ms fonts
[07:24] <Parsi> indus: tnx
[07:24] <indus> jiga123123: very nice with 9.10 for wireless etc
[07:24] <jiga123123> losha: thanks! that's good motivation!))  do you have any problems with it?