[01:14] <OldPink> I heard there are some kernel issues on laptops?
[01:14] <luca> tech0007: I did the switch, and I am very happy. But there are tons of upgrades/bug fixing every other day
[01:14] <bsm> I get new problems and solutions with every upgrade
[01:14] <luca> OldPink: Nvidia drivers do not function any more if installed with apt-get right now
[01:14] <tech0007> when will it be released?
[01:14] <luca> !stages
[01:14] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[01:14] <bazhang> 10/18
[01:15] <luca> tech007 I would wait some days unless you are willing to get your hands dirty :)
[01:15] <tech0007> ok..think i'll jst wait...time enough to add more RAM to my system
[01:15] <bazhang> hahaha
[01:15] <OldPink> luca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569535 :)
[01:15] <bsm> I'll go and try entrance with ubuntu :)
[01:15] <luca> I have to say however that the new kernel rocks in terms of power consumption
[01:15] <bazhang> no question.
[01:15] <OldPink> luca: that might be you, of course, just sounds similar to your problem?
[01:15] <luca> I did gain about 2 hours also using powertop :)
[01:15] <bazhang> wow
[01:15] <luca> OldPink: let me see
[01:16] <luca> yeah exactly
[01:16] <luca> only I do not get even the bars
[01:16] <OldPink> Interesting
[01:16] <tech0007> does gutsy have more support for phone connectivity and legacy usb webcams?
[01:16] <luca> and yes, gnome apps stopped working...not a big deal, except for tracker :(
[01:16] <luca> tech0007: no idea really
[01:16] <bazhang> no idea..
[01:17] <luca> usb webcams patches have been included into the kernel since 7.04 or 6.10 though
[01:17] <luca> if it functions on linux, then it is already installed in ubuntu, practically :)
[01:18] <OldPink> ... gutsy isn't LTS, is it?
[01:18] <luca> nope
[01:18] <luca> hardy heron (april) will be
[01:18] <OldPink> Yeah, I remember now, thanks.
[01:19] <OldPink> For all those that stuck with Dapper, will there be a Dapper > Hardy upgrade?
[01:19] <OldPink> From LTS to LTS?
[01:19] <bazhang> yeah, it's called ISO
[01:19] <luca> OldPink: really, no idea, but I think that a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade *might* do the trick in paril
[01:19] <luca> april
[01:20] <bazhang> and ten thousand packages.
[01:20] <OldPink> I don't have any Dapper systems, just wondering
[01:20] <luca> yeah probably
[01:20] <stefg> This is never going to work
[01:20] <luca> well I dunno but last LTS was WAY different from even feisty
[01:21] <luca> I'v been in Ubuntu since Dapper, I should know :) I had a lot of problems until Feisty...that edition rocked for me :)
[01:22] <luca> uhm seems at least that we are in kernel freeze right now
[01:22] <OldPink> I started with Dapper, 6.06
[01:22] <bazhang> me too
[01:22] <OldPink> Haven't had *any* problems
[01:23] <OldPink> On any release
[01:23] <bazhang> Feisty was bad for me.
[01:23] <OldPink> Don't fresh install, update-manager all the way, straight into release candidate ASAP.
[01:23] <tech0007> tried different distros before...feisty has it all
[01:23] <luca> well bazhang feisty had a lot of nice things for laptops
[01:23] <chronographer> Hello anyone good at ftp trouble shooting? I got a new ftp server and I can connect to it through my lan's ip address, i want to test through the internet. I should just be able to go to whatsmyip.com and use that ip rather than my lan one from a local area computer right?
[01:23] <bazhang> OldPink: wow.
[01:24] <luca> ah! I have fresh-installed more times than it should be legally allowed :P
[01:24] <Lynoure> OldPink: all hardware and software has always worked perfectly and no weird drivers or adjusting needed? Lucky, unless you chose you hw for linux (in which case, skilled)
[01:24] <bazhang> luca: it was nice, but I had an external pcmcia card, and that's really not on Linux..haha
[01:24] <luca> but that's because I am an irresponsible experimenter :P
[01:24] <luca> ah got ya ;)
[01:24] <luca> flash cards work flawlessly though
[01:25] <luca> dunno about firewire...have two ports, but no firewire hardware :)
[01:25] <bazhang> my new box has a slot for md's!
[01:25] <OldPink> Lynoure, luck. :) I didn't build my desktop, it's an all in one thing, all built into the monitor, looks pretty good with wireless keyboard and mouse. So yeah, pure luck. As for the laptop, well that started on Feisty, yet to upgrade it :)
[01:26] <Lynoure> OldPink: Then you must tell us the brand and make of the computer, at least.
[01:27] <bazhang> Lynoure: it really is a good idea to find stuff that is Linux friendly; thanks for pointing that out!
[01:27] <OldPink> Lynoure: "Clevo" - http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/index.asp
[01:28] <OldPink> Lynoure: I think they're purely laptop now, haven't looked in a while
[01:29] <Lynoure> OldPink: they have something called L297N that matches your description.
[01:30] <OldPink> It's similar, but more attractive, the L297N is pretty ugly. Don't have the model number right now, on the laptop :)
[01:31] <OldPink> Actually, I made a post on a forum about it, I'll try and find it
[01:31] <bazhang> please do!
[01:31] <Lynoure> OldPink: that's good. That way other people can consider that hardware with relevant information.
[01:34] <OldPink> I hotlinked the image from clevo.com.tw, and since the product was taken off, the image no longer works :(
[01:35] <OldPink> Lynoure: Specification: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:GrLog28N6hkJ:www.clevo.com.tw/products/L295N.asp+clevo+L295N&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
[01:35] <OldPink> Lynoure: Image: http://www.hundyx.net/Producto/imagenes/LPL295N.jpg
[01:37] <Lynoure> OldPink: thanks
[01:41] <chronographer> since were talking clevo, anyone got a tablet laptop with a touchscreen and got the touchscreen working?
[01:42] <chronographer> erm... a clevo tablet?
[01:44] <hetauma> any ideas why when I run vncviewer I can't type anything on the dialogue box of server's address ?
[01:45] <mez_> Hi, why is my sda1 (ntfs partition) being devmapped? mounting through regular /dev/sda1 returns device-busy...  /dev/mapper/sda1 works, but still....
[01:50] <haranp> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy and my video card doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[01:51] <haranp> radeon 200 if it matters
[01:51] <rexy> what driver are you using?
[01:52] <haranp> how can I check?
[01:52] <chronographer> haranp: are you using the -13 kernel? cause I think that one is broken
[01:52] <haranp> (was using fglrx, after the upgrade fglrxinfo crashes X)
[01:52] <haranp> yup, 13
[01:52] <chronographer> it overwrote my xorg.conf and many other ppl's
[01:53] <chronographer> so if you can, use 12
[01:53] <haranp> 2.6.22-13-generic
[01:53] <chronographer> until its fixed
[01:53] <haranp> how do I do that?
[01:53] <chronographer> erm....  can you install it in synaptic?
[01:53] <haranp> (ubuntu newbie, sorry)
[01:53] <haranp> no X
[01:53] <haranp> but I can use apt-get
[01:53] <chronographer> oh shit
[01:53] <chronographer> hold on
[01:53] <haranp> comfortable with the command line if that help
[01:54] <chronographer> sudo apt-get intst alllinux-image-2.6.22-12-generic     <-- I think that will workl, anyone else tell me if it will?
[01:54] <haranp> intst -> install ?
[01:55] <chronographer> hopefully it will be automagically added to (yeah) you grub boot menu
[01:55] <chronographer> sudo apt-get intstall linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic
[01:55] <haranp> couldn't find package
[01:56] <haranp> let me check for misspellings on my end...
[01:56] <haranp> nope, doesn't exist
[01:57] <chronographer> do 'apt-cache search 2.6.22'
[01:57] <haranp> changing -12 to -13 says "already have newest version" so it's not a misspelling
[01:57] <chronographer> maybe use aptitude
[01:57] <Vorian> (you can also tab complete)
[01:57] <haranp> I have -xen, -rt, -ume, but not -generic
[01:57] <haranp> (for -12, I mean)
[01:58] <chronographer> ok.
[01:58] <haranp> hm, is -rt ok?
[01:59] <chronographer> i dont know
[01:59] <haranp> let me check my sources
[01:59] <haranp> I have gutsy-proposed restricted main multiverse universe
[02:00] <haranp> any suggestion for a source for -12-generic?
[02:00] <chronographer> it may not be in the repositories any more.
[02:00] <haranp> bummer
[02:01] <haranp> any way to fallback on standard vesa? kill the restricted drivers etc?
[02:01] <haranp> I'm fine with slow X as long as I have *some* X :)
[02:02] <rexy> you can try the open source radeon driver, not sure if you need to enter ati or radeon though
[02:02] <chronographer> Im not sure, I tried a few different combinations and yesterday someone else was in here saying X wouldn't work. So I would wait till a new update is released!  It opens up with the new screen setting wizard thing though right?
[02:02] <haranp> chronographer: no
[02:03] <haranp> actually the login screen shows up...
[02:03] <phyrewall> ok, crazy question.... can you burn a bootable iso to a DVD-RW and have it boot?
[02:03] <haranp> then logging in starts showing the screen, then decides to go blank and stay blank
[02:03] <slackern> the opensource driver for ati/amd r5xx/r6xx gpu's is in #radeonhd if thats what you are looking for
[02:03] <chronographer> YES
[02:03] <phyrewall> I can't find any blank CD-Rs.... :(
[02:03] <chronographer> phyrewall you can
[02:03] <bazhang> phyrewall: sure, why not?
[02:03] <phyrewall> awesome.
[02:04] <haranp> slackern: radeon 200 counts or not?
[02:04] <phyrewall> will gnomebaker do it correctly?
[02:04] <slackern> haranp: hmm not sure, thats a laptop chip, maybe best to check with the devs there
[02:04] <haranp> willdo, thanks
[02:05] <slackern> haranp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units maybe you can find your chip there too
[02:06] <chronographer> phyrewall: all will do it fine, its the same thing in the end, except that cd drives wont read dvd's
[02:06] <slackern> haranp: maybe i should say that the driver is still experimental and it doesn't do much except show a working screen with correct modes detected (hopefully) and it can't do most of acceleration that you might want
[02:06] <bazhang> haranp: I had a 340M radeon from way back (7 years ago) that worked ok--but not really too good with 3d graphics..haha
[02:07] <haranp> autodetect gives this line:
[02:07] <haranp> ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200]
[02:07] <rexy> my M6 mobility works(*ed) too
[02:07] <slackern> haranp: ahh r4xx chip then, won't work with that driver then i guess =/
[02:07] <haranp> oh well
[02:07] <phyrewall> chronographer: thanks
[02:08] <phyrewall> a clean install will give me time to watch Labyrinth...lol.
[02:08] <phyrewall> and, no, not "Pan's  Labyrinth"
[02:09] <phyrewall> David Bowie in what my wife calls "crotch-pants" Labyrinth. rofl
[02:16] <IndyGunFreak> does anyone know why Gutsy doesn't have a working version of Gparted?
[02:16] <haranp> aha, now it's working, just very very slow (and konsole crashes X)
[02:16] <IndyGunFreak> it just freezes on "Scanning All Devices" on my PC and my laptop
[02:17] <phyrewall> well, doing a clean install. if I'm not back in 20 minutes, pray for me. ;)
[02:18] <chronographer> Indy: use the gparted live CD
[02:18] <IndyGunFreak> chronographer: wel i did that, actually used the partedmagic live CD, same thing almost, but i just like having a working version on my install,
[02:21] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak: gparted maintainer has been looking for someone to take over support since 7/07
[02:21] <IndyGunFreak> bazhang: oh is that right?... didn't know that.
[02:21] <IndyGunFreak> well, qtparted sucks... i hate it.
[02:21] <bazhang> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/news.php
[02:23] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak: parted magic is being abandoned, too.
[02:23] <IndyGunFreak> bazhang: really?..geez that sucks.. wish i was smart enough to make it myself.
[02:24] <_Jaak_> How do i restart bluez in gutsy? (sudo /etc/init.d/bluez-utils restart doesn't work)
[02:24] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak: the reason the parted magic maintainer gave was that Ubuntu and others have their own excellent tools, so no need to carry on..
[02:24] <IndyGunFreak> bazhang: what is ubuntu's partitioner?
[02:25] <snadge> what happened to the grand paradiso packages?
[02:25] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak: not sure, sorry.
[02:25] <IndyGunFreak> np.
[02:25] <IndyGunFreak> oh well, i guess as long as my partedmagic live cd never bites the dust, it'll be OK.
[02:26] <gunny> gparted can also get live cd for it
[02:26] <bazhang> haha
[02:27] <hetauma> for gutsy with ati.... compiz-fusion works fine with the ati driver... should I download the restricted one ?
[02:30] <chronographer> I find that a few packages don't work perfect in gutsy. it is unstable still!   I don't use gparted except for in a live cd tho
[02:33] <snadge> wtf happened to granparadiso? :P
[02:33] <slackern> anyone else had nautilus not showing remote hosts after adding them through "connect to server", it works if nautilus is restarted
[02:33] <snadge> the package has just vanished into thin air
[02:34] <omha> hey
[02:34] <omha> anybody know where i can get any information/howto on libnotify and python
[02:36] <tobias> hi all! I've got a little sound-problem: Everything works fine at first boot, but when hibernating, the sound makes a cracking noise and doesn't work anymore after waking Ubuntu up again.
[02:36] <tobias> Ubuntu doesn't show any error-messages and all settings indicate the sound is working
[02:36] <slackern> snadge: firefox-granparadiso is still installed on my machine
[02:37] <tobias> I can even play music etc. without errors... but there's just nothing coming out of the speakers anymore - No matter what I try.
[02:37] <tobias> After re-booting, everything is fine again - until the next hibernation.
[02:38] <tobias> What can I do?
[02:43] <njende> tobias: whats your soundplayer? Alsa or oss? Maybe you want to try alsaconf?
[02:45] <njende> tobias: ...and amixer
[02:46] <tobias> njende: I just found a bug-report in Launchpad about my problem... digging through the responses right now. I didn't find it earlier. I hope it'll tell me a solution... I'll get back to you!
[02:46] <njende> np
[02:48] <snadge> slackern: but is it installable?
[02:52] <bsm> hi, out of nothing knetworkmanager stopped working, it gives me: Error requesting name, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.19" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file
[02:52] <savvas> Granparadiso Web Browser cannot be installed on your computer type (amd64)
[02:52] <savvas> Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type.
[02:52] <savvas> lol
[02:52] <bsm> seems like a dbus error, bu i did not change anything dbus related
[02:53] <savvas> snadge: negative, the package seems to be removed
[02:57] <compwiz18> has anyone had issues with the system monitor applet in gnome freezing, and the wireless card loosing connection at the same time?
[03:09] <spr0k3t> compwiz18: yes... but it was back in tribe 5... I haven't seen it since.  Using an atheros chipset
[03:10] <compwiz18> spr0k3t, I used the install cd from tribe 5 then have been updating, so I shouldn't see it anymore... are you using amd64 or i386?
[03:10] <spr0k3t> amd64
[03:10] <compwiz18> same here
[03:11] <spr0k3t> the problem may also depend on your chipset for the wireless card.
[03:11] <compwiz18> I'm using ndiswrapper
[03:11] <compwiz18> I'm trying to decide if I should go file a bug report
[03:11] <spr0k3t> which card?
[03:12] <compwiz18> broadcom 4318
[03:12] <spr0k3t> curious... have you tried the fwcutter found in the repos?
[03:13] <compwiz18> yeah, I've used it before, but its a little tipsy
[03:13] <spr0k3t> I have a lappy with the 4318 and it's solid with gutsy
[03:14] <compwiz18> using fwcutter?
[03:14] <spr0k3t> yeah
[03:14] <compwiz18> hm
[03:14] <compwiz18> well
[03:14] <compwiz18> I guess that's the thing to do then
[03:15] <spr0k3t> give it a shot... see what you think.
[03:15] <compwiz18> I'll do that
[03:15] <compwiz18> thanks
[03:15] <kling0n> i experience a hang in when running "update-manager -d"... there is no significant output in the console but the step is "Modifying the software channel" and the update process has stopped at file 47 out of 56
[03:15] <kling0n> any suggestions ?
[03:16] <kling0n> btw trying to upgrade from feisty to gusty beta if that wasn't obvious from context :)
[03:16] <spr0k3t> wired connection or wireless?
[03:16] <kling0n> wired
[03:17] <spr0k3t> hmm
[03:17] <kling0n> this is about 3rd run
[03:17] <kling0n> previously it has stopped at file 37
[03:17] <kling0n> but I dont really have any data since thre is no output
[03:17] <kling0n> figured it might be load on the server or something
[03:18] <spr0k3t> let me check to see if there's a bug filed for that... I think I've heard of that issue before.
[03:18] <kling0n> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release.gpg
[03:18] <kling0n> ah got some output after pressing cancel
[03:18] <kling0n> but just a bunch of "failed to fetch"
[03:19] <spr0k3t> now that makes sense...
[03:19] <kling0n> gpg fetches fine with curl
[03:19] <spr0k3t> are your repos updated with the correct keys?
[03:19] <kling0n> I'm trying to follow the upgrade path specified at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[03:19] <kling0n> so no
[03:19] <kling0n> it should be handling that
[03:19] <kling0n> i believe
[03:20] <kling0n> console output:
[03:20] <kling0n> [cip@gamebox /etc/apt/sources.list.d] $ update-manager -d
[03:20] <kling0n> extracting '/tmp/tmpnZoayh/gutsy.tar.gz'
[03:20] <kling0n> authenticate '/tmp/tmpnZoayh/gutsy.tar.gz' against '/tmp/tmpnZoayh/gutsy.tar.gz.gpg'
[03:20] <spr0k3t> that is the correct update path
[03:20] <kling0n> seems it authenticates
[03:20] <hetauma> can some1 tell me compiz-fusion on ati works better with the default driver or with the restricted one?
[03:21] <savvas> the restricted ones always have extra goodies :)
[03:21] <kling0n> hetauma: AIGLX or XGL ?
[03:21] <savvas> otherwise they wouldn't be restricted :P
[03:21] <bazhang> hetauma: I heard someone earlier today say that theirs worked fine with the standard. ymmv
[03:22] <spr0k3t> kling0n: have you looked into the meta-release troubleshooting on that page?
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: it depends on how new your card is..
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: how old is it?
[03:22] <hetauma> kling0n, no idea just after installation it works fine with ati driver
[03:22] <kling0n> spr0k3t: nopes
[03:22] <kling0n> ill give it a shot
[03:23] <hetauma> nosrednaekim, mobility 9600 2years old or something
[03:23] <spr0k3t> check that as it looks like it may help with the signatures in gpg
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: try the open drivers first...
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: is its too slow, go to the restricted ones
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: with the restricted ones, you will also need XGL
[03:23] <hetauma> nosrednaekim, it works fine with the open ones
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: compiz works fine?
[03:24] <hetauma> nosrednaekim, yeap
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: then stay with them, they are more stable.
[03:24] <spr0k3t> kling0n: the other option you have is to d/l the daily.torrent and update from that.
[03:24] <kling0n> might be useful to include that error message in the output from update-manager :)
[03:24] <kling0n> hmm
[03:24] <kling0n> i'd rather not :)
[03:25] <kling0n> I prefer apt upgrades
[03:25] <spr0k3t> nod
[03:25] <hetauma> any ideas if there is some good development on ati drivers now since amd released chipset data?
[03:26] <spr0k3t> anyway, time for bed... is getting late
[03:26] <bazhang> haha
[03:26] <hetauma> nosrednaekim, how do I install xgl if I want to tryout restricted drivers?
[03:26] <kling0n> ah now i got some useful output
[03:26] <kling0n> some sort of dbus error by the looks of it
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl" but
[03:27] <kling0n> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39856/
[03:27] <savvas> hetauma: shouldn't the restricted drivers manager take care of the dependencies?
[03:28] <hetauma> savvas, I guess so
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> savvas: not with XGL
[03:32] <Lunar_Lamp> I keep trying to install various packages and getting told that "package x is required, but is a virtual package".
[03:32] <Lunar_Lamp> How can I solve that?
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> never seen that error
[03:35] <superbenny> ok when i upgraded from 7.04, knetworkmanager stopped seeing my card. intel chipset. im connected via wifi-radar, and lshw sees my card ans iwcongif sees my network
[03:36] <kling0n> superbenny: try commenting out the interface in /etc/network/interfaces and restart hal
[03:39] <superbenny> restart hal?
[03:39] <superbenny> command?
[03:41] <compwiz18> superbenny, sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[03:42] <superbenny> nothing
[03:42] <superbenny> didnt work
[03:47] <njende> hi there!
[03:47] <bazhang> hiya!
[03:48] <njende> one question, I'm trying to install gutsy, but the installer hangs while installing the language packs
[03:48] <njende> so, the installer is at 87% and nothing happens. That's not normal, is it?
[03:48] <bazhang> njende: are you doing a fresh install?
[03:48] <njende> bazhang: yep
[03:49] <bazhang> njende: how long does it hangt?
[03:49] <bazhang> hang?
[03:49] <njende> bazhang: for like ~3-5mins now
[03:49] <VousDeux> it's probably waiting for the translator
[03:50] <bazhang> njende: that's not too long--lots of folks are upgrading now, so wait a bit and see what happens..
[03:50] <bazhang> hi VousDeux
[03:50] <VousDeux> hello bazhang
[03:50] <bazhang> VousDeux: you all set?
[03:51] <superbenny> i upgraded from 7.04, knetworkmanager stopped seeing my card. intel chipset. im connected via wifi-radar, and lshw sees my card ans iwcongif sees my network
[03:51] <VousDeux> not really, but I'm not sure anything can be done about it
[03:51] <bazhang> have you talked to the kernel people?
[03:51] <VousDeux> how would I do that?
[03:52] <njende> ahhh...okay, I think that might be the main prob then. I just switched to tty and chekced the route...there isn#t a route...*uuups*
[03:52] <bazhang> kernaltrap.org might have a link
[03:52] <njende> it's a onboard sis190/191 Gigabit Ethernet
[03:52] <VousDeux> ahhh...okay, thanks
[03:52] <bazhang> no problem.
[03:53] <bazhang> njende: you sorted as to the hang up?
[03:53] <VousDeux> I finally trapped an error with the guidance-power-manager: Warning: While setting SystemPowerManagement to  True :  org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.NotSupported: No powersave method found
[03:54] <VousDeux> not sure what it means though...google found nothing about it in english
[03:55] <njende> bazhang: what do you mean with"you sorted..."
[03:56] <bazhang> njende: problem solved?
[03:56] <njende> bazhang: nope
[03:56] <bazhang> njende: ten minutes now?
[03:57] <njende> bazhang: neither the onboard wlan (Atheros) nor the NIC (sis190) are recognized by the installer - I guess. Modules for the sis190 are loaded but if say sudo ifconfig all I get is *lo* and no other interface is shown
[03:57] <njende> yep, roughly 10mins now
[03:58] <njende> bazhang: a route is not given, as it looks like. At least a sudo route is not showing anything
[03:58] <bazhang> njende: hmmm.
[03:59] <njende> yeahh...hmmmm...that's what I am asking myself, too
[03:59] <tobias> njende: I'm back....  sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart does the trick in a console after resume.
[03:59] <bazhang> njende: I had trouble the first time I tried to isntall; then killed the machine,a dndid it again it was fine.. don't know why though.
[03:59] <kling0n> njende: are you sure you should use sis190 anot not sis900?
[03:59] <VousDeux> that kerneltrap.org looks like nothing but a spam trap
[03:59] <bazhang> killed=powered off.
[03:59] <tobias> njende: But I didn't manage to launch this command automatically at resume.... even putting it into resume.d's sound.sh didn't work
[04:00] <bhavna> hey
[04:00] <bhavna> i got gutsy up and running
[04:00] <njende> kling0n: well, not really. But a lspci | grep Ethernet tells me simply that it is a sis190 I posted yesterday some deeper details to debians paste server. Should I post the links and we'll have a look at it?
[04:00] <kling0n> njende: maybe try reloading the module and checking dmesg
[04:00] <bhavna> however i cant get the external drive to work
[04:01] <bazhang> VousDeux: it's written by the kernel developers...
[04:01] <bazhang> spam?
[04:01] <kling0n> njende: sudo modprobe -vr sis190 && sudo modprobe -v sis190 ; sudo modprobe -v sis900
[04:01] <bhavna> it keeps giving an error of hal-storage-removable-mount refused uid 1000
[04:01] <bhavna> can someone help me with this
[04:01] <kling0n> njende: and check dmesg
[04:01] <VousDeux> oh, I figured it out...I went to kernaltrap instead of kerneltrap
[04:02] <kling0n> bhavna: start by checking ownership on $HOME/.dbus ?
[04:03] <njende> kling0n: here is the output of dmesg | grep sis:
[04:03] <Assid> kling0n: set to the correct user
[04:03] <kling0n> njende: tri dmesg | grep -i -e sis -e net
[04:03] <njende> [90.820000]  sis 190 Gigabit Ethernet driver 1.2 loaded
[04:03] <kling0n> s/tri/try/
[04:04] <kling0n> njende: and still nothing in ifconfig?
[04:04] <njende> did that
[04:04] <kling0n> sorry thought you got empty output :)
[04:04] <njende> [90.820000]  sis Gigabit Ethernet driver 1.2 loaded
[04:05] <Assid> kling0n: just doesnt work.. the same drive mounts fine on a macbook
[04:05] <njende> [90.836000]  sis190: probe of 0000:00:04.0 failed with Error -5
[04:05] <Assid> runs ntfs
[04:05] <Assid> i tried wih ntfs-config as well.. for ntfs-3g
[04:05] <njende> [117.036000]  NET: Registered protocol family 31
[04:06] <nanonyme> hmm, gutsy still has xmms?
[04:06] <njende> [2305.524000]  sis 190 Gigabit Ethernet driver 1.2 loaded
[04:06] <contrast83> Anyone else getting ridiculous CPU usage out of Amarok (20-30% while playing, ~%70 while changing tracks)?
[04:06] <kling0n> Assid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/115768 -- it looks like there might be an issue if you're missing a policy manager
[04:06] <bazhang> not here.
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115768 in hal "hald not parsing policies under /etc/hal/fdi/policy on kubuntu feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:07] <njende> [2305:540000]  sis 190 probe of 0000:00:04.0 failed with Error -5
[04:07] <Assid> shouldnt gutsy have it solved?
[04:07] <njende> [2305:756000] sis900.c v.1.0.8 Apr 2 2006
[04:07] <njende> kling0n:
[04:08] <njende> in ifconfig i Get just 'lo'
[04:09] <Assid> hrm
[04:09] <Assid> doesnt have a howto for getting it up
[04:09] <njende> kling0n: it seems to me that the sis190 is buggy and/or I should start with a bootparameter such as irqpoll, of wjhich
[04:09] <njende> I'm not sure if it might be of any help
[04:10] <kling0n> njende: that might be worth a try
[04:10] <kling0n> or try soemthing like this for i in `ls /lib/modules/\`uname -r\`/kernel/drivers/net/*`; do e=`basename $i .ko`; sudo modprobe -v $e; done
[04:10] <Assid> kling0n: no fix ?
[04:10] <kling0n> an/or even
[04:11] <kling0n> Assid: sis you check for a policy kit ?
[04:11] <kling0n> s/sis//
[04:11] <Assid> dont understand how to check for it
[04:12] <Assid> storage methods?
[04:12] <kling0n> hmm Assid is your user a member of group "plugdev" ?
[04:12] <kling0n> Assid: type "groups" to check
[04:13] <kling0n> Assid: what file system is on the drive btw?
[04:13] <Assid> ntfs .. yes im a member of plugdev
[04:14] <Pusur> 6
[04:14] <njende> kling0n: syntax error near unexpected token `sudo'
[04:15] <kling0n> Assid: check this post
[04:15] <kling0n>  Nikolay Pavlov wrote on 2007-07-03: (permalink)
[04:15] <kling0n> I can confirm that i don't see any .xsession-errors, but removable usb storage device is still not functional. Are you sure that we are talking about exactly removable devices, because my fixed ntfs-3g HDD partition works? I want to try to build policykit manually and see if it fix my problem.
[04:15] <kling0n>  Adriano Provvisiero wrote on 2007-07-03: (permalink)
[04:15] <kling0n> Yes, I am sure. In my case, it's an external 40gb 2.5" USB Disk, with only one partition on it, formated as NTFS. The policy contains precisely the data I pasted in my first post. The partition automounts finely using the ntfs-3g driver. I only have the ntfs-3g and ntfs-config packages installed, from the official repos. I don't have pmount installed. If you need any more infos, just ask.
[04:15] <kling0n> nuu
[04:15] <kling0n>  Nikolay Pavlov wrote on 2007-07-03: (permalink)
[04:15] <kling0n> Could you please send me lshal dump regarding this device i want to compare it with mine. I am using 1Gb usb stick by the way.
[04:15] <kling0n>  Adriano Provvisiero wrote on 2007-07-04: (permalink)
[04:15] <stdin> !paste
[04:15] <kling0n> There it is:
[04:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:15] <kling0n> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_A23072FA3072D4AF'
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.device = '/dev/sdb1' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.is_volume = true (bool)
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.major = 8 (0x8) (int)
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.minor = 17 (0x11) (int)
[04:15] <kling0n>   block.storage_device = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_IC25N040_ATCS04_0_0_0' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.capabilities = {'volume', 'block'} (string list)
[04:15] <stdin> will you stop the flood?
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.category = 'volume' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.interfaces = {'org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume'} (string list)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_IC25N040_ATCS04_0_0_0' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.product = 'USB40' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_A23072FA3072D4AF' (string)
[04:15] <kling0n>   linux.hotplug_type = 3 (0x3) (int)
[04:15] <kling0n>   linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/block/sdb/sdb1' (string)
[04:15] <Pusur> Spambots would be nice -.-
[04:15] <kling0n>   org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.method_argnames = {'mount_point fstype extra_options', 'extra_options', 'extra_options'} (string list)
[04:15] <kling0n>   org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.method_execpaths = {'hal-storage-mount', 'ha
[04:15] <Assid> kling0n: pastebin
[04:15] <kling0n> argh
[04:16] <kling0n> sorry
[04:16] <kling0n> stdin: i knows
[04:16] <Assid> i think i see it tho
[04:16] <kling0n> said sorry for same reason
[04:16] <Assid> hold on
[04:16] <kling0n> intended to paste a lnk
[04:16] <mahrellon> Ok, I'm back again! I have just reinstalled my GG dist and I'm anxious to know if I dare to update everything and then try to get my Compiz Fusion (on NV7950Gt that used to work) up and running? I know there were some broken packs?
[04:16] <kling0n> assid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/115768/comments/4
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115768 in hal "hald not parsing policies under /etc/hal/fdi/policy on kubuntu feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:16] <bazhang> mahrellon: fixed afaik.
[04:17] <mahrellon> bazhang, dude. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Love you man!
[04:17] <mahrellon> That's awesome news
[04:17] <bazhang> mahrellon: feeling's mutual; I just got the nv 7300 and it's very nice with GG!
[04:18] <bazhang> mahrellon: scale +ring switcher = ultimate eye candy.
[04:18] <mahrellon> bazhang, I can't wait for the Official Gutsy to be released. You know both me and my wife used to run Windows (Xp and Vista) on our machines but once we got a first look at Ubuntu with Beryl and Compiz we threw everything Microsoft related out the window. I even play World of Warcraft through wine.
[04:19] <mahrellon> bazhang, yeah. It sure beats Vistas "3d switcher" (wich I phrown at btw) lol
[04:19] <Assid> sweet worked
[04:19] <mahrellon> I got to reboot. I'll see ya guys in a bit.
[04:19] <bazhang> mahrellon: good news indeed--how does WOW run? Vista=bleh
[04:19] <bazhang> seeya
[04:19] <Assid> but they should really fix it so we dont have to copy the file
[04:19] <Assid> but sweet..works.. thanks
[04:19] <njende> kling0n: are you still with me?
[04:19] <kling0n> njende:
[04:20] <kling0n> njende: are you using bash ?
[04:20] <kling0n> or tcsh ?
[04:20] <mahrellon> bazhang: it runs awesome! I don't even get any fps-drop or anything when running it on latest wine and compiz. I do have to start it with -OpenGL switch though to get the cursor to work =)
[04:20] <njende> kling0n: i'm on bash
[04:20] <mahrellon> Anyhow, brb.
[04:20] <bazhang> mahrellon: great news...
[04:20] <kling0n> hmm
[04:20] <kling0n> strange
[04:20] <kling0n> perhaps you don't have sudo installed?
[04:20] <kling0n> you can su to root and try it without the "sudo" part
[04:20] <njende> sudo is installed
[04:21] <kling0n> njende: are you typing the line ? or copy/paste?
[04:21] <kling0n> perhaps you forgot a ';' or something
[04:22] <njende> i have to type it, mate
[04:22] <kling0n> right
[04:22] <kling0n> check for typos then
[04:22] <Ximal> savvas ? anyone ? I needed to figure out how to configure Xchat Gnome Chat to auto join this channel and auto identify .. I can't find the scripts folder/options ?
[04:23] <kling0n> Ximal: in the menu: "Xchat" - Network list - choose freenode - click edit
[04:23] <Ximal> hmm.. brb... going to try it
[04:24] <Assid> can we make this a permanent fix?
[04:24] <kling0n> Assid: ?
[04:24] <njende> I typed: for in `ls /lib/modules/\`uname -r\`/kernel/drivers/net/* ; do e=basename $i.ko` ; sudo modprobe -v $e; done
[04:24] <Assid> kling0n: copying that file
[04:25] <kling0n> Assid: if you copied the file it should stay there (if that's what you mean?)
[04:25] <Assid> nah for other people
[04:25] <Assid> make it a global thin
[04:25] <Assid> i gotta update my other laptop too now
[04:26] <lucasvo> hi
[04:26] <njende> kling0n: did I made any typos incorrect?
[04:27] <kling0n> njende: if you get a syntax error you probably did :)
[04:27] <njende> but where at?
[04:27] <kling0n> Assid: I'm not a maintainer on the ntfs-3g package
[04:27] <bazhang> haha
[04:28] <Ximal> ok .. brb
[04:29] <kling0n> njende: you're missing a ';'  before the 'do'
[04:29] <Ximal> ok
[04:29] <Ximal> working
[04:29] <Ximal> thanks for the help earlier
[04:30] <mahrellon> GL Desktop seems to work now! (Cheers wildly)
[04:30] <kling0n> welcome :)
[04:30] <mahrellon> Thanks =)
[04:30] <bazhang> mahrellon: yessss!
[04:30] <mahrellon> Now to get my desktop-cube up and running. It's gnome-compiz-manager I'll have to install right?
[04:31] <Ben_Cs> hello. i instaled a switch in my home network. WinXP works fine. Kubuntu: some progs (pidgin,skype) have internet, and some (firefox,opera,xchat) don't. please help!
[04:31] <lhoerste> I've just updated to gutsy. I had the EVMS problem so I removed that from a chroot and now it looks like my system boots cleanly except when it starts GDM, the screen just goes black. I've waited and it does nothing. Any suggestions?
[04:31] <bazhang> mahrellon: compiz-fusion? or compiz?
[04:31] <mahrellon> bazhang: Compiz-fusion. That's what I want =)
[04:31] <kling0n> lhoerste: check your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[04:31] <lhoerste> kling0n: good idea - one sec
[04:32] <njende> the ';' before the do id there, but I still get an unexpected token...damn
[04:32] <kling0n> njende: did you try a restart with the irqpoll option ?
[04:32] <njende> kling0n: nope, just about to do that
[04:32] <lhoerste> kling0n: i'm going to try single user mode
[04:33] <bazhang> mahrellon: you'll need to install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra emerald emerald-themes for starters.
[04:33] <Ben_Cs> btw, skype says it's connected but i am not able to make calls, so only pidgin has internet
[04:33] <Ben_Cs> some one? please help!
[04:33] <mahrellon> bazhang: Thanks again!
[04:34] <mahrellon> I'll give it a try and get back to you. Thanks and see you soon =)
[04:34] <bazhang> mahrellon: no problem..
[04:34] <Ximal> oh.. i found a bug..
[04:35] <Ximal> the DISK icon disappeared from my desktop this morning when i booted...
[04:35] <lhoerste> kling0n: no problems in the X.org log
[04:35] <lhoerste> kling0n: and single user mode boots fine
[04:36] <kling0n> lhoerste: try running startx and see if X loads properly
[04:36] <njende> kling0n: just rebooting now...will be back shortly
[04:37] <lhoerste> kling0n: same symptoms
[04:38] <kling0n> lhoerste: right the problem is in your xorg config then
[04:38] <kling0n> try Xorg -config
[04:38] <kling0n> (as root)
[04:38] <kling0n> or by suidop
[04:38] <kling0n> sudo
[04:38] <lhoerste> doesn't xorg usually bring up that curses error dialog if there is an X.org problem and let you see the logs?
[04:39] <lhoerste> this isn't crashing xorg i guess, it's just not displaying anything?
[04:39] <kling0n> yup
[04:39] <kling0n> my guess is your sync ranges are out of range for your monitor
[04:39] <kling0n> check hsync and vsync values
[04:40] <kling0n> or maybe try starting with irqpoll as a kernel option
[04:40] <lhoerste> since I'm not sure what the sync ranges should be, I'll try the irqpoll
[04:40] <kling0n> i rmember having some sort of problem on a hp laptop which the irqpoll options fixed for me
[04:40] <kling0n> can't remember the specifics though
[04:40] <lhoerste> do I just specify irqpoll on the boot line or do I have to set it equal to something?
[04:40] <kling0n> lhoerste: just check to see if the high range is over 60 or so
[04:41] <kling0n> if it is, try adjusting it and run X again
[04:41] <kling0n> with 'startx'
[04:41] <lhoerste> kling0n: eh I already rebooted
[04:42] <lhoerste> after the irqpoll option i'll try sync ranges
[04:44] <njende> kling0n: If I now switch to a tty while installing, I still havent got an interface in ifconfig
[04:44] <lhoerste> kling0n: I don't even see any sync ranges in the config???
[04:44] <lhoerste> kling0n: that could be the problem right there maybe?
[04:45] <kling0n> lhoerste: it should be in your "monitor" sections
[04:45] <lhoerste> yea that's where I'm looking
[04:45] <kling0n> njende: sorry... cant help you then
[04:45] <kling0n> njende: try another disk perhaps?
[04:45] <kling0n> njende: or check your hardware?
[04:45] <lhoerste> it looks like whatever did the update to xorg.conf saved a backup - i'll pull the sync ranges out of there
[04:45] <kling0n> njende:  is the card correctly set in ?
[04:46] <njende> kling0n: its a notebook
[04:46] <kling0n> lhoerste: if you have a back try bootin using that
[04:46] <lhoerste> kling0n: actually there are no sync ranges in the backup either... ?
[04:46] <kling0n> lhoerste: pastebin ?
[04:46] <lhoerste> just the monitor section?
[04:46] <kling0n> njende: and you're sure the card works correctly ?
[04:46] <kling0n> lhoerste: whole thing
[04:47] <njende> kling0n: yep, as it workes yesterday with a sidux live-cd
[04:47] <lhoerste> sure, I'll have to use USB key to get it to this comp so one sec
[04:47] <kling0n> njende: did you verify the disk ?
[04:47] <kling0n> maybe try another image ?
[04:47] <Aishiko> once again Ubuntu is unstable (I shouldn't have updated :P)
[04:47] <njende> kling0n: true, could be a wrong md5sum...I'll check and brb
[04:48] <bazhang> Aishiko: what's the problem?
[04:48] <lisa> hello
[04:48] <bazhang> hi lisa
[04:48] <lisa> i wonder if anyone can help with an apt problem
[04:48] <bazhang> what is it?
[04:49] <lisa> i used adept to install msttcorefonts. it failed to install properly and now i cant remove it. its stopping me from updating
[04:49] <Aishiko> bazhang: I try to run Ktorrent and it crashes within 30 minutes, I've tried dpkg --configure -a, dpkg -C, reinstalling Ktorrent, I'm seeing if the issue is Ktorrent or something else
[04:49] <bazhang> lisa: what's the error message say?
[04:49] <savvas> lisa: what's adept?
[04:49] <lisa> sorry using (k)ubuntu
[04:50] <bazhang> savvas: kde equibalent to synaptic
[04:50] <bazhang> equivalent also
[04:50] <savvas> ah
[04:50] <kling0n> lisa sudo apt-get -f install
[04:50] <Aishiko> bazhang: ohh I'm also know installing KDE and I'm going to try the KDE desktop to see if gnome is broken somewhere
[04:51] <Aishiko> bazhang: can you think of anything I might be overlooking to trouble-shoot this issue?
[04:51] <bazhang> Aishiko: it is a beta; they are very good at fixing things quickly--if ktorrent has a bug, you can bet it will be fixed very quickly.
[04:51] <lisa> Resolving switch.dl.sourceforge.net... failed: Connection timed out.
[04:51] <lisa> andale32.exe: No such file or directory
[04:51] <lisa> All done, errors in processing 1 file(s)
[04:51] <lisa> dpkg: error processing msttcorefonts (--configure):
[04:51] <lisa>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[04:51] <lisa> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:51] <lisa>  msttcorefonts
[04:51] <bazhang> Aishiko: I use transmission, so can't help you there.
[04:51] <lisa> sorry for large paste
[04:52] <lisa> thanks but i tried -f install
[04:52] <Wendell> Hi all - doing a fresh install of Gutsy Beta.... To get my setting back for GNOME, etc... is it generally safe to just copy back the hidden folders from the home directory? (i.e. different versions of config files won't mess anything up?)
[04:52] <ConstyXIV> what's the command to suspend from the console?
[04:52] <lisa> its not able to connect to sourceforge
[04:52] <bazhang> hiya squidy
[04:52] <vasuvi> Is there any way to prevent NetworkManager from clobbering resolv.conf every single bootup?
[04:52] <lhoerste> kling0n: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48784 <-- this inlcudes the sync rates I added that did not work
[04:52] <squidy> hello bazhang.. :}
[04:52] <bazhang> !dpkg
[04:53] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[04:53] <bazhang> oops. wrong command.
[04:53] <Aishiko> bazhang: Ohh I know, last time I had this issue I ran dpkg --configure -a and found 8 broken packages 6 or 7 I recognized as being part of the desktop so I reinstalled them all and it fixed the issue, which was crashing in about 60 minutes of boot up
[04:53] <kling0n> ConstyXIV: try sudo suspend
[04:53] <ConstyXIV> sudo: suspend: command not found
[04:54] <kling0n> lhoerste: change       VertRefresh        50-160 to       VertRefresh        50-75
[04:54] <lhoerste> k
[04:54] <Aishiko> bazhang: regardless of what was running
[04:54] <bazhang> Aishiko: you should have seen when Gimp and cupsys broke the same day (two days ago) they got it fixed and to all the servers in a couple of hours. You should perhaps report a bug to lanuchpad.
[04:54] <lhoerste> kling0n: no luck
[04:55] <Aishiko> bazhang: I'm not sure what to report though, I need to look up my launchpad id
[04:55] <kling0n> lhoerste: can you give me xorg.log.0 as well ?
[04:55] <lhoerste> sure - one sec
[04:56] <njende> kling0n: is there any way to get the wlan atheros running while installing rather than the sis190? btw the ingerity check was okay
[04:56] <kling0n> hmm
[04:56] <Aishiko> bazhang: I did report some in the beginning, but until recently I've not needed too
[04:56] <kling0n> njende: sudo modprobe ath_hal
[04:56] <lhoerste> kling0n: can I just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:56] <bazhang> lisa: have you tried sudo dpkg --configure -a?
[04:56] <lisa> yeah
[04:56] <lisa> i'll try again
[04:56] <kling0n> lhoerste: try it
[04:56] <lisa> just to make sure
[04:57] <lisa> thanks
[04:57] <bazhang> Aishiko: only ktorrent giving you problems?
[04:57] <bazhang> lisa: sorry I don't know very much.
[04:57] <Aishiko> bazhang: not sure I'm not running it now, so if it goes past 30 minutes I'll assume it is Ktorrent
[04:58] <bazhang> Aishiko: as much as I like the interface, I prefer transmission over ktorrent or azureus.
[04:58] <lisa> yeah. still timing out
[04:59] <lisa> dont worry
[04:59] <lhoerste> kling0n: running through it now
[04:59] <njende> kling0n: is there a mirror, maybe, with daily builds for gutsy? Maybe there is newer version than the one I downloaded yesterday...just trying to get that beast running
[05:00] <kling0n> njende: no clue
[05:00] <lisa> anyway to manually remove msttcorefonts or install it properly? can anyone confirm whether the install works for them?
[05:00] <kling0n> think there's a daily torrent
[05:00] <vasuvi> njende: Yes, I just installed a daily build of Kubuntu myself yesterday, works great
[05:00] <njende> vasuvi: from which mirror?
[05:01] <vasuvi> njende: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ , depending on what you want
[05:01] <lhoerste> kling0n: when I startx, the xserver runs and backlight is on but the screen is black. What should display if GDM isn't running? twm or something?
[05:02] <Wendell>  Hi all - doing a fresh install of Gutsy Beta.... To get my setting back for GNOME, etc... is it generally safe to just copy back the hidden folders from the home directory? (i.e. different versions of config files won't mess anything up?)
[05:02] <kling0n> hmm depends on your configuration
[05:02] <kling0n> but default is just a black/white pattern
[05:02] <vasuvi> njende: Make that last one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ for the complete set
[05:02] <Wendell> Wendell  (upgrading from Fesity)
[05:02] <vasuvi> njende: (Unless you want Xubuntu/Edubuntu or some other derivative)
[05:03] <ConstyXIV> whats the best sound driver for wine?
[05:04] <Aishiko> bazhang: it looks like the issue is more then just ktorrent it just crashed again at the 30 minute mark
[05:04] <njende> vasuvi: thx
[05:04] <njende> will be back once the download finished
[05:04] <vasuvi> njende: np, good luck! :)
[05:04] <bazhang> Aishiko: hmmm. I would definitely report this--did a crash reporter launch?
[05:04] <savvas> ConstyXIV: try #winehq
[05:04] <njende> vasuvi: I hope so...that beast needs to get into gear by tomorrow morning CET
[05:04] <lhoerste> kling0n: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48784#1
[05:05] <lisa> might try the main kubuntu channel. i dont think its a gutsy specific problem....
[05:05] <Aishiko> bazhang: no no crash reported was launched the whole thing just stopped responding and then I rebooted
[05:06] <Aishiko> running dpkg --configure -a since, sypantic said to again
[05:06] <bazhang> Aishiko: it froze your entire system?
[05:06] <Aishiko> bazhang: yes
[05:07] <savvas> lisa: msttcorefonts installed fine here
[05:07] <Aishiko> bazhang: that is what i've been calling a crash should I call it something else?
[05:07] <bazhang> Aishiko: show-stopper. try a different torrent client first.
[05:07] <kling0n> lhoerste: it's definitely your sync ranges
[05:07] <kling0n> lhoerste: you have lots of errors regarding them in your log
[05:07] <bazhang> Aishiko: well I just though you meant the app died, but a total system freeze-up..that's serious biz.
[05:07] <Aishiko> bazhang: it did it again while just running gx-chat and synpatic
[05:08] <lisa> thanks sawas. wonder if thr problem is not connecting to sourceforge
[05:08] <kling0n> try googlin the technical specs for your specific monitor
[05:08] <Aishiko> bazhang: that was whta happened this last time
[05:08] <lhoerste> kling0n: those new sync ranges are from dpkg-reconfigure and I selected 1024x768 at 60htz so that's all the correct info
[05:08] <savvas> why is everyone using a "w" instead of double v? :P
[05:08] <kling0n> lhoerste: or maybe google xorg.conf and your monitor model to find a functional one
[05:08] <lhoerste> kling0n: is that what those visual not supported warnings are?
[05:08] <lhoerste> kling0n: good idea
[05:08] <thesaltydog>  just upgraded to Gutsy. My /home doesn't mount and I can't boot. I had to boot with 2.6.20 kernel...!
[05:09] <nowshining> hi changing the root folder to hide from ALL users except for too is suppose to also lock the desktop folder right
[05:09] <kling0n> lhoerste: dpkg-reconfigure basically just runs the Xorf -config command
[05:09] <nowshining> except for ROOT*
[05:09] <nowshining> in roots home folder right
[05:09] <lhoerste> kling0n: but it knows about resolutions + sync rates
[05:09] <lhoerste> so it usually works for me =/
[05:09] <kling0n> lhoerste: well.. it's not working is it ?
[05:10] <Aishiko> bazhang: yeah I had this issue a couple days ago reinstalling 8 broken packages fixed it until the lastest patch
[05:10] <savvas> nowshining: yeah, probably you have to use a command parameter/argument for recursive, to be applied on all files/folders inside the root directory
[05:10] <lhoerste> kling0n: no =) I'm googling
[05:10] <nowshining> i'm using gksudo nautilus
[05:10] <nowshining> and well
[05:10] <bazhang> Aishiko: are you fully uptodate?
[05:10] <nowshining> it doesn't lock the desktop folder
[05:11] <Aishiko> bazhang: I'm hoping this --configure -a finds some broken ones I can reinstall to fix it and yes I'm up todate fully
[05:11] <kling0n> nowshining: sudo chmod -R 700 /root
[05:11] <nowshining> and when i do manually well it just resets the root folder and ALLOWS ALL ACCESS and no lock icon and i can write to the desktop folder from an non root account
[05:11] <nowshining> however
[05:11] <nowshining> shouln't right click and permissions  do it
[05:12] <nowshining> it locks all but desktop at most
[05:12] <kling0n> nowshining: if you started nautilus with root permissions that window will have full access to the root solder ofcourse
[05:12] <nowshining> and i can write to it
[05:12] <bazhang> Aishiko: I hope this latest fix does it for you; I had some funkiness during the first couple of rounds of upgrades--but nothing as serious as what you had, minor stuff really.
[05:12] <kling0n> nowshining: also, you'll have to make sure the users you want to keep out are no in the sudoersz
[05:12] <nowshining> only root is
[05:12] <nowshining> nothing else
[05:12] <kling0n> s/z//
[05:12] <nowshining> um
[05:13] <Aishiko> bazhang: Ohh I know this is the first time I've encountered this and I installed gusty over a month ago this is the first time I've gotten a "show stopper" as you put it
[05:14] <nowshining> the other folders are fine, it shows only read access and write for root and none for others and well then when manually changin the desktop folder it resets the root folder itself and even with root only group there is no lock and i can write to it via tho i am not root
[05:14] <hagabaka> hmm
[05:14] <nowshining> okay try this
[05:14] <nowshining> gksudo nautilus
[05:14] <hagabaka> so will there be no new packages released?
[05:14] <nowshining> filesystem - root, right click the folder
[05:14] <hagabaka> today?
[05:14] <nowshining> go to permissions
[05:14] <kling0n> nowshining: can you give me output of 'ls -alh /root | grep Desktop'
[05:15] <bazhang> Aishiko: I think we may all have some of these from time to time--I have a problem with autosave and javascript--though that may down to wordpress and not Linux--total system nightmare freeze requiring hard reboot--I just shut off javascript for now; the alternative is to go back to Windows...and no thanks..haha
[05:16] <nowshining> by the way the files in the folder itself and find and permission stick and the files inside won't open due to permissions
[05:16] <nowshining> hold
[05:16] <nowshining> drwxrwxrwx  2 root root 4.0K 2007-10-07 07:59 Desktop
[05:16] <kling0n> sudo chmod 700 /root/Desktop
[05:16] <hagabaka> is there an apt repository for upgrading from feisty to gutsy?
[05:17] <nowshining> but can't i just use the right click method and drop down box
[05:17] <nowshining> again the files are locked inside
[05:17] <nowshining> but not the folder itsel;f
[05:17] <lhoerste> kling0n: no luck with the sync rates from online for the specific computer. it's a dell inpeiron 5100 (reletively old so there is a lot of material)
[05:17] <nowshining> and right clicking from a non root nautilus window shows the correct permesion
[05:18] <nowshining> permission are own root - create and delete files, grop root - folder - none and files none and others none and none
[05:18] <kling0n> lhoerste: i'm out if ideas
[05:19] <kling0n> lhoerste: is it a dvi or a vga connection ?
[05:19] <lhoerste> kling0n: alright thanks man
[05:19] <lhoerste> kling0n: it's a laptop
[05:20] <kling0n> lhoerste: ah
[05:20] <kling0n> lhoerste: try changing driver from ati to radeon
[05:20] <lhoerste> ha ok cool
[05:20] <lhoerste> i'll give it a try
[05:21] <nowshining> okay the sudo chmod 700 /root/Deskto just not even displayed nothing
[05:21] <njende> lhoerste: have you pastes your conf? haven't seen it as I was way too busy with my probs here ;-)
[05:21] <nowshining> and now it won't open up in regular mode
[05:21] <nowshining> but no icon
[05:21] <njende> if not paste it
[05:21] <nowshining> lock icon
[05:21] <lhoerste> njende: yea i'll link you
[05:21] <Overlord_> Speaking of gfx drivers, can anyone take a look at this fglrx failure problem I'm having?  Thanks.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569621
[05:21] <lhoerste> http://paste.lisp.org/display/48784#1
[05:21] <lhoerste> njende: ^
[05:21] <nowshining> it went right back to allow
[05:22] <nowshining> i exited the regular nautilus browser
[05:22] <nowshining> and still
[05:22] <nowshining> yep i can create a folder in there
[05:22] <nowshining> all files inside are locked and all others in root are locked
[05:23] <njende> lhoerste: as klong=n said change to radeon
[05:23] <lhoerste> that didn't fix it =/
[05:24] <nowshining> no
[05:24] <nowshining> however the desktop files again are locked as normal
[05:24] <njende> lhoerste: weird
[05:24] <nowshining> i know
[05:24] <nowshining> i can create in normal user mode
[05:24] <lhoerste> i'm checking xorg log
[05:24] <njende> lhoerste: jepp
[05:25] <kling0n> lhoerste: http://www.jlab.org/~moffit/computer/i5100_xorg.conf
[05:25] <lhoerste> njende: ooh now I'm clearly getting vrefersh out of range errors
[05:25] <lhoerste> kling0n: thanks
[05:25] <lhoerste> kling0n: I think you were right, I just have a combo of problems =)
[05:27] <Aishiko> another showstopper
[05:27] <thesaltydog> I   just upgraded to Gutsy. My /home doesn't mount and I can't boot. I had to boot with 2.6.20 kernel...!
[05:27] <bazhang> ouch
[05:27] <thesaltydog> the boot process says that the "device is busy"...
[05:27] <thesaltydog> ?
[05:28] <lhoerste> kling0n, njende: no luck =/
[05:28] <njende> wow...and my new desktop machine wont get installed wit gutsy either...that's not MY lucky day I'd say
[05:29] <nowshining> okay, evertime i reset the desktop folder to block all access it works fine
[05:29] <nowshining> THEN
[05:29] <kling0n> lhoerste: new logfile please?
[05:29] <nowshining> i set the root folder the same way and BAMMO
[05:29] <njende> well, I'll check wheter the machine wants to start with gutsy using irqpoll noapic -- sure, I know I wont be able to use both cpu's
[05:29] <nowshining> it clears the desktop permissions folder and allows ALL ACCESs
[05:29] <lhoerste> kling0n: sure one sec
[05:30] <nowshining> Desktop folder only
[05:30] <nowshining> but blocks access to any opening of files such as txt, etc..
[05:30] <kling0n> lhoerste: or try to install xserver-xorg-video-ati
[05:31] <lhoerste> i'll be sure its installed
[05:31] <nowshining> i'll be on the forums bye
[05:31] <lhoerste> kling0n: it's installed
[05:32] <elliotjhug> hi all, any ideas on how best to increase the number of workspaces in gutsy? The way I used to do it in feisty doesn't appear in the preferences any more
[05:32] <kling0n> lhoerste: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-video-ati
[05:32] <elliotjhug> I'm using desktop affects
[05:33] <elliotjhug> sorry, scratch that... I just got an answer from another channel
[05:33] <kRush> elliotjhug, ccsm: horizontal virtual size
[05:33] <kRush> d'oh
[05:33] <lhoerste> kling0n: that didn't work
[05:34] <lhoerste> kling0n, njende: http://paste.lisp.org/display/48784#2
[05:34] <kling0n> lhoerste:  right... out of ideas now
[05:35] <kling0n> lhoerste: maybe try reducing your colour depth and modes to 800x600 until you get it working and then lower the vsync and refresh rates
[05:36] <lhoerste> k
[05:37] <lhoerste> kling0n: that worked! with ati driver as well!
[05:41] <lhoerste> ftw?
[05:46] <Aishiko> I'm back in the KDE desktop now, since the gnome did a show stopper after a couple min :(
[05:46] <savvas> lhoerste: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw
[05:46] <njende> any ideas when the next daily/nightly build will be released?
[05:46] <Aishiko> anyone know what "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" means?
[05:47] <savvas> njende: ..the next day? :)
[05:47] <shannon_> Anyone experiencing this problem with compiz? You login, you get just a blank (black) screen and mouse pointer, nothing loads. User accounts with compiz disabled work fine, but I can't login to the compiz accounts to turn compiz off. Started happening after I downloaded upgrades today. Running Gutsy beta. Can't seem to find the bug in launchpad.
[05:48] <njende> and another question: to whom should I talk if there are still probs recognizing Interfaces, such as my WLAN and NIC?
[05:48] <mirak> is there a way to have tracker seatch in nautilus ?
[05:48] <vasuvi> njende: I downloaded mine last night (Mountain time)...and a new one was uploaded while I was downloading ;)  So I'm thinking around midnight
[05:49] <njende> vasuvi: cool, so I'll try the one I'm just downloading and will see, if there'll be a new one tomorrow, if the one I'm just downloading wont work
[05:49] <bazhang> Aishiko: bug filed on this 6-7 days ago...
[05:49] <vasuvi> njende: sounds like a good plan
[05:50] <njende> *g*
[05:50] <Aishiko> bazhang: there was? what is the recommended fix?
[05:50] <njende> brb...just running to get some smokes ;)
[05:50] <Pusur> How do I avoid that my other partitions/drives get an shortcut on the desktop when mounted?
[05:51] <bazhang> Aishiko: it's a new enough bug that it's undecided..perhaps if you filed as well they would up the importance of it--that seems pretty serious.
[05:52] <pqnet> I think I found a bug
[05:52] <Aishiko> bazhang: ohh OK, I'll do that now
[05:52] <Aishiko> assuming I stay up long enough to do that
[05:53] <bazhang> haha
[05:56] <Pusur> I'm trying to make a nice and clean dekstop here. But how the hell do I remove the other partitions which are mounted from the desktop?
[05:56] <Aishiko> bazhang: should I second the bug you found or file a brand new one
[05:57] <bazhang> Aishiko: the javascript one? I think that's on Wordpress--I was in their channel and they confirmed it. Thanks!
[05:58] <pqnet> i found a bug too!
[05:58] <bazhang> hi pqnet!
[06:00] <pqnet> wow, just say "I found a bug" and they fix it!!! I didn't say even what it was!
[06:00] <pqnet> hi bazhang
[06:00] <pqnet> i solved my problem
[06:01] <bazhang> pqnet: you just missed vousdeux...
[06:01] <VousDeux> and then?
[06:01] <pqnet> bazhang what about vousdeux?
[06:01] <pqnet> vousdeux hi!
[06:02] <VousDeux> hello...just taking a little break from homework I should have done yesterday
[06:02] <bazhang> pqnet: you just missed him; he was here earlier--he may file a bug reprot with the kernel developers..haha
[06:03] <pqnet> it's a missing feature report however, if I know what it is about
[06:04] <pqnet> his synaptic touchpad is not recognized by the ps2 driver, right?
[06:04] <kRush> Pusur, gconf-editor: /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible
[06:05] <bazhang> pqnet: right.
[06:06] <VousDeux> pqnet: yeah, it's something like that. I don't believe it is defective hardware because it basically functions OK. It is just not recognized by the kernel. Not necessarily a bug though.
[06:06] <VousDeux> I'm just trying to learn how all of this stuff works, and where to get help.
[06:07] <Aishiko> say is there anyway to have the clock in kde display seconds as well as the hour and minute?
[06:08] <pqnet> vousdeux i think this particular model hasn't been supported by opensource driver yet
[06:08] <reon_> I removed my ATI driver and ended up getting a black screen, I reinstalled the ati module but still have a black/blank screen, how do I fix it ?
[06:08] <pqnet> vousdeux you could help developer in adding support to that particular model in kernel module
[06:08] <VousDeux> pqnet: that's what I suspect most of my problem are...what I don't know, yet, is what channels to use to get the ball rolling on getting them supported.
[06:09] <Aishiko> bazhang: this show stopper bug you think it's related to javascript?
[06:09] <VousDeux> pqnet: I sure don't have a problem with that, but I don't know how to help
[06:09] <VousDeux> pqnet: I don't have a great deal of spare time either
[06:10] <reon_> could someone help me with my display issue please ?
[06:10] <bazhang> Aishiko: wordpress + javascript +autosave=their answer "turn off javascript!" a surly bunch there..haha
[06:11] <gnomefreak> how do you get showstopper bug out of that?
[06:11] <VousDeux> I'm also trying to put together a business plan for a college class for a business that markets Linux-based computers to small businesses.
[06:11] <Aishiko> bazhang: lol I don't know how to do that :P so it does me little good to know to do that :P
[06:12] <Aishiko> VousDeux: nice! have you tried looking at system67, ibm, or dell's marketing and business plan?
[06:13] <bazhang> gnomefreak: not in Ubuntu/Kubuntu; it freezes my Linux system, but it's on them--tons of people at their forums are griping about it--their answer is turn off javascript!
[06:13] <VousDeux> Aishiko: no, I appreciate the tip :)
[06:14] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yeah its a widely seen bug but that doesnt make it showstopping bug. is there an LP bug on this issue?
[06:14] <Aishiko> VousDeux: your quite welcome
[06:14] <Aishiko> brb have to step out for a sec
[06:16] <rewq> I have internet connection
[06:17] <rewq> but apt-get wont work
[06:17] <rewq> I need this to download ndiswrapper
[06:17] <rewq> and dell windows driver for wireless
[06:17] <reon_> what error are you getting ?
[06:18] <bazhang> gnomefreak: well, it stops my show..haha and is 100% reproducible--depends on how many times I want to do a hard restart. don't know what LP is.
[06:18] <rewq> 1 sek
[06:19] <rewq> it goes up to 27%
[06:19] <rewq> and then it's stuck there
[06:19] <rewq> waiting for headers
[06:20] <reon_> what repos are you using, archive.ubuntu.com or some other ?
[06:20] <rewq> connecting to ubuntu .com (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[06:20] <rewq> where I can find this??
[06:20] <rewq> repos??
[06:21] <rewq> to the adept??
[06:21] <reon_> your sources list or apt-get tells you when you try and get a package
[06:21] <rewq> server from italy
[06:22] <rewq> repos security and universal
[06:22] <reon_> maybe change them to the default one and see if it helps
[06:22] <rewq> its a fresh install
[06:22] <rewq> and I didn change anythig
[06:22] <rewq> from adept???
[06:22] <VousDeux> I'm planning on using this laptop in my presentation, so that's part of my justification for spending so much time trying to get it working as well as possible.
[06:22] <reon_> use archive.ubuntu.com instead of it.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:23] <gnomefreak> bazhang: launchpad.net  the developers/maintainers see the bug there its more likely to get fixed, if its on forums its very very unlikely to get fixed since the developers dont hang out or look for bugs there
[06:23] <haranp> How do I downgrade from 7.10 to 7.04?
[06:23] <gnomefreak> haranp: you dont
[06:23] <gnomefreak> haranp: reinstall 7.04
[06:23] <haranp> from the CD?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> or however you installed it to start with
[06:24] <haranp> OK, I'll do that, thanks
[06:24] <bazhang> gnomefreak: thanks! but what i'm experiencing is with wordpress--should I file a report with LP?
[06:24] <gnomefreak> !info wordpress
[06:24] <ubotu> wordpress: an award winning weblog manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.2-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 783 kB, installed size 4196 kB
[06:24] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yes
[06:25] <rewq> I used the other repos
[06:25] <bazhang> gnomefreak: thanks!
[06:25] <rewq> and it still stuck at 25% waiting for headers
[06:25] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yw
[06:26] <gnomefreak> bazhang: dont be suprised if it doesnt get done for gutsy, if it is javascript causing it there isnt much we can do about it
[06:26] <rewq> when I installed kubuntu I dint had a dhcp connection
[06:26] <Pusur> Anyone else had problems with making terminal the background with devilspie?
[06:27] <reon_> rewq try static ip config ?
[06:27] <rewq> and now I cant do apt-get update
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Pusur,  i followed a guide on that the other day. it worked. :)
[06:27] <bazhang> gnomefreak: I don't like javascript anyway--can't use pastebin, though..haha
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Pusur,  but was annoying in many ways
[06:27] <Pusur> Well, not working here...
[06:27] <rewq> ok
[06:27] <Dr_willis> I forget the guide i found.. ubuntuhq.org perhaps?
[06:27] <Pusur> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-create-a-transparent-terminal-session-as-your-desktop-background.html I used this one
[06:28] <bazhang> kewl.
[06:28] <Pusur> It works if I run the commands manually, but not when making them run at login with sessions
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Pusur,  could be devilspie isent getting ran first..
[06:29] <Dr_willis> i just made an icon that launched them
[06:29] <rewq> reon where do I set up static ip
[06:29] <rewq> im on a router with lan connection
[06:29] <Dr_willis> the console thing is a neat idea. but has some issues..  like it hides the icons, and grabes focus when ya click on the desktop in the wrong place. :)
[06:29] <reon_> click on the network icon, top panel
[06:30] <Pusur> Devilspie should run first, the command i used was "devilspie && gnome-terminal -window-with-profile=DesktopConsole"
[06:30] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: you might want to give alot more info on your bug, right now its unclear what the complaint is other than 3 things causing it to freeze, is it the kernel? is it dpkg? or ktorrent? could it be compiz that is causing it?
[06:31] <rewq> and then
[06:31] <rewq> ??
[06:31] <marko-_-> bazhang, tell me here :D
[06:31] <bazhang> marko-_-: one thing--try not to enter one or two words then hit the enter key;
[06:31] <marko-_-> ok:>
[06:31] <reon_> phew, display problem fixed
[06:32] <bazhang> marko-_-: are you going to upgrade with a fresh CD install, or do it over the internet with the package management system?
[06:32] <marko-_-> over internet
[06:32] <marko-_-> i don't know what do you suggest ?
[06:32] <bazhang> marko-_-: a fresh install will erase all of your old files, settings, etc--over the internet will not.
[06:33] <marko-_-> then i will just use dist-upgrade
[06:33] <marko-_-> right ?
[06:33] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: no
[06:33] <rewq> I cant find where to change static ip???
[06:33] <bazhang> Ok cool. I would wait until 10/18; as you are very new to this and some broken stuff might be very confusing for you.
[06:33] <marko-_-> gnomefreak, what then ?
[06:33] <rewq> im on kubuntu beta kde
[06:33] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: safest to clean install right now but if you do want to upgrade use "gksudo update-manager -d" without the "
[06:34] <marko-_-> all i want when upgrading to gutsy (not now when it will be stable on 10/18) that all my files don't get deleted
[06:34] <bazhang> rewq: change to or from static?
[06:34] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: warning upgrading atm is not very safe and expect problems
[06:34] <rewq> tell me how I can do that on kde please
[06:34] <marko-_-> gnomefreak, i won't upgrade it now
[06:35] <marko-_-> just asking when i will do it if my files get deleted
[06:35] <bazhang> marko-_-: after 10/18 you can do a dist-upgrade; right now things are still being fixed, so it might freak you out if you tried it at the moment.
[06:35] <buntunub> hey all, anyone have xorg issues after the latest kernel upgrade
[06:35] <bazhang> marko-_-: not if you do it via the internet.
[06:35] <LiMaO> i wanted to say that for a beta, gutsy is fairly consistent
[06:35] <marko-_-> ok i will do it on 10/18 but the question is will my files be deleted when i will upgrade it or not ?
[06:35] <buntunub> im having major issues getting dual screens working after the .13 kernel update
[06:35] <LiMaO> just had some problems with 'Screens and Graphics'
[06:36] <LiMaO> but besides that, it's all good
[06:36] <buntunub> ya same
[06:36] <bazhang> marko-_-: no they won't, but it's a good idea to back them up nonetheless.
[06:36] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: personal files no
[06:36] <LiMaO> marko-_-, just backup your home folder
[06:36] <rewq> ok can anyone have an idea how i can setup wireless conection without apt-get wotking
[06:36] <rewq> but internet working
[06:36] <buntunub> when i enable nvidia driver via restricted drivers and use just the single screen, it appears to configure properly
[06:36] <buntunub> but when i try to setup dual screens it gets major hosed on both screens
[06:37] <marko-_-> ok for you to easy understand it will the files in /home/username and any other directory (not / ) will deleted
[06:37] <marko-_-> ?
[06:37] <rewq> I cant stay  without it
[06:37] <buntunub> thats via screens and graphics tool
[06:37] <rewq> if i have wireless
[06:37] <rewq> I can go in my room
[06:37] <LiMaO> marko-_-, they won't be overwritten if they're on a different partition and you tell the installer not to erase it
[06:37] <bazhang> marko-_-: no they will (not) be deleted. best to record them to a DVD or flash drive anyway thoug.
[06:37] <buntunub> i then have to do a  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg to fix things to get back to the single screen goodness
[06:37] <rewq> and have some time with kubuntu ad apt
[06:38] <bazhang> though even
[06:38] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: no they shouldnt but there is always a chance things will not work out the way you want its called breakage back ups would be the smart way of doing it
[06:38] <LiMaO> buntunub, i hope it gets fixed in the final release.. i like using the tv-out for dvd output
[06:38] <marko-_-> LiMaO, the / and /home are on the same partition :s
[06:38] <buntunub> yes this is a show stopper imo
[06:38] <LiMaO> then backup /home and restore if after a clean fresh install
[06:38] <buntunub> this is on a fresh intall too btw
[06:38] <marko-_-> i don't know how to do it besides i don't want to upgrade yet
[06:39] <buntunub> NOT an upgrade
[06:39] <rewq> how do I change from or to static ip
[06:39] <rewq> ??
[06:39] <gnomefreak> buntunub: dual screen is being worked on and its not a show stopper since it doesnt stop you from using ubuntu
[06:39] <rewq> ??
[06:39] <LiMaO> marko-_-, just tar it all
[06:39] <rewq> ??
[06:39] <rewq> please
[06:39] <bazhang> marko-_-: don't know how to back up?
[06:39] <LiMaO> i mean compress the /home folder to a .tgz file
[06:39] <bazhang> really?
[06:39] <gnomefreak> rewq: stop with the one word or char. lines
[06:39] <marko-_-> i know i know but this is all now a little confusing
[06:39] <marko-_-> ... :>
[06:39] <LiMaO> or simply write /home to a dvd disc
[06:39] <LiMaO> then after the upgrade/reinstall, just copy it back to where it was
[06:39] <rewq> sory
[06:40] <marko-_-> LiMaO, and this will work ?
[06:40] <LiMaO> marko-_-, why wouldn't it? ;)
[06:40] <marko-_-> but /home is bigger then 80 giga
[06:40] <LiMaO> all your settings and config is stored in /home
[06:40] <LiMaO> well, that's where compression comes in place
[06:40] <gnomefreak> not all
[06:40] <bazhang> marko-_-: well better start burning DVDs now--you've got eleven days to do it in..haha
[06:40] <LiMaO> but i'm pretty sure you won't be able to fit it on a single dvd ;)
[06:41] <marko-_-> oh shit i was thinking when upgrading only the / get changed but everything stays the same :/
[06:41] <LiMaO> marko-_-, it does stay the same
[06:41] <marko-_-> and why should i backup then... ?:D
[06:41] <LiMaO> but you gotta have a security backup
[06:41] <LiMaO> in case something goes wrong
[06:41] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: LiMaO /etc hold ALL config files
[06:41] <reon_> rewq click on the network icon on the top panel for manual configuration, select the interface then click on properties, can select dhcp or static
[06:42] <marko-_-> LiMaO, even if i have the / and /home on the same partition ?
[06:42] <LiMaO> gnomefreak, indeed, but i meant his personal settings for some applications, like his bookmarks are in .mozilla in his home folder
[06:43] <LiMaO> marko-_-, yes, even if they are in the same partition it won't be overwritten
[06:43] <marko-_-> oh ok then
[06:43] <reon_> I just did a update and experiencing severe mouse lag, any ideas for a fix ?
[06:43] <LiMaO> but i like to play on the safe side.. i have /home on a diff partition, and i hold a backup of / in case this beta goes wacky
[06:44] <marko-_-> and what's the chance that it will get overwritten when i upgrade it on 10/18
[06:44] <LiMaO> reon_, ctrl+alt+backspace (that will restart xorg)
[06:44] <buntunub> sorry had to afk
[06:44] <LiMaO> marko-_-, near 0%
[06:44] <marko-_-> oh
[06:44] <marko-_-> cool then:>
[06:44] <marko-_-> i don't have sooooooo important files
[06:44] <LiMaO> upgrades don't erase anything
[06:44] <marko-_-> just music
[06:44] <marko-_-> i don't want to download it again..:>
[06:45] <reon_> LiMaO, already rebooted
[06:45] <reon_> LiMaO, but still got lots of lag
[06:45] <buntunub> gnomefreak i believe this is a show stopper because right now dual screens is not possible unless you know scripting, and I really doubt many people who use Ubuntu do
[06:45] <LiMaO> reon_, no other idea then =/ sorry
[06:45] <LiMaO> reon_, are you using those fancy compiz effects?
[06:45] <gnomefreak> marko-_-: if install/upgrade fails to point you cant use than the back comes in handy :)
[06:45] <marko-_-> ok
[06:46] <buntunub> I was only able to get back to a working single screen via the  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg command.. again, not many people know that either
[06:46] <reon_> LiMaO, nope, but i'm gonna try with the ati driver now.
[06:46] <gnomefreak> buntunub: it is possible i just cant remember what everyone is using right now (has nothing to do with scripting)
[06:46] <LiMaO> i'm afraid of ati heh
[06:46] <buntunub> i tried using the nvidia-settings, but that seems to be disabled now
[06:47] <gnomefreak> buntunub: its a feature that is broken does not make it showstopper from devel point of view but there is an app everyone is using until it is fixed
[06:47] <reon_> LiMaO, ati driver fixed my mouse problem ;)
[06:47] <buntunub> I even tried to write my own xorg.conf, but that got overwritten on reboot
[06:47] <LiMaO> marko-_-, my / partition is 18gb big, still only 4gb is used... its backup is 3gb big... that's why i keep my /home partition with 40gb separate from the rest
[06:47] <reon_> rewq did you come right ?
[06:47] <LiMaO> easier to mantain
[06:47] <LiMaO> reon_, that's nice, nothing else broken?
[06:47] <gnomefreak> buntunub: sounds like your being kicked into failsafe X
[06:47] <LiMaO> =)
[06:47] <buntunub> my last resort is to disable startup scripts and go with GNOME default and well see how that goes
[06:48] <gnomefreak> buntunub: i suggest you look for bug reports in launchpad to see how it is being set up
[06:48] <buntunub> ill try that
[06:48] <reon_> LiMaO, nope. it just does not work so well with vb seamless mode but besides that all is well
[06:49] <buntunub> i had no trouble getting dual screens working via nvidia-settings in feisty so they might just be better off defaulting dual screens to ati and nvidia tools for now
[06:49] <LiMaO> oh, btw, nautilus is giving me some problems too.. sometimes the file browser lags, and when clicking on an mp3 file it doesn't show the open with options.. it seems like it just forget what the files are.. killing the process solves it though
[06:51] <LiMaO> reon_, what version of vb are you using? did you download the feisty version?
[06:51] <Aishiko> back and discovered that at about 30 after the system stopped again, this time under kde
[06:52] <lufis> Anyone else having trouble with moblock on gutsy?
[06:52] <LiMaO> i mean, i went to download 64bit version of virtualbox and there was no gutsy option, only up to feisty.. and it looked weird when installed
[06:52] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: I saw your recommendation and I would add more information, IF I had any.
[06:53] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: than the people that triage it will ask you but if you cant give any than it might get closed
[06:54] <savvas> LiMaO: that's a qt3 problem
[06:54] <Aishiko> I'm adding more information as I get it and figure it out but I'm not sure how to get more to add to it
[06:54] <savvas> LiMaO: give me a sec to find the bug report :)
[06:54] <LiMaO> savvas, because of me using gutsy or because of the 64bit?
[06:55] <savvas> because of non existing qtrc
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: use htop or top while lookihng at top see if you can get it to freeze but keep top/htop visible see if it doesnt show you what process is causing it
[06:56] <tretle> how do i install kde4?
[06:56] <LiMaO> all i know is that the virtualbox window had huge fonts, and the buttons and stuff looked like 1980's applications
[06:56] <Aishiko> htop?
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: strace of say ktorrent until freeze
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: htop is a pretty version of top
[06:56] <reon_> LiMaO, I'm using the feisty version on gutsy and it works like a charm
[06:56] <LiMaO> doesnt't it look weird?
[06:57] <LiMaO> i mean, bigger fonts than what you used to have on feisty
[06:57] <Aishiko> OK I'll try those
[06:57] <reon_> LiMaO, nope mine looks fine and it looks fine on my friends as well
[06:57] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: most likely they will ask for strace to start with so i would try to grab one
[06:57] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: steps to reproduce is a good thing too
[06:58] <rewq> here is the error out put from sudo apt-get update:
[06:58] <rewq> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Translation-en_US
[06:58] <rewq>   Could not connect to it.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[06:58] <rewq> Err http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/universe Translation-en_US
[06:58] <rewq>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[06:58] <gnomefreak> rewq: use pastebin
[06:58] <gnomefreak> rewq: remove it and use gb
[06:58] <bazhang> !it
[06:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:58] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: OK got them, but do I run strace before or after ktorrent?
[06:58] <lufis> What?! But I don't speak British!
[06:58] <rewq> what is pastebin???
[06:58] <gnomefreak> rewq: looks like it mirrors are giving issues
[06:59] <gnomefreak> !pastebin | rewq
[06:59] <ubotu> rewq: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:59] <rewq> so what i can do about it???
[06:59] <rewq> please..
[06:59] <lufis> little joke there...
[06:59] <gnomefreak> rewq: change "it" to "gb"
[06:59] <rewq> grazie
[06:59] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: hold on let me see if i can find the how to for you
[06:59] <rewq> tell how aand when??
[07:00] <gnomefreak> rewq: gnome?
[07:00] <rewq> kde
[07:00] <rewq> kubuntu beta
[07:00] <gnomefreak> rewq: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:00] <gnomefreak> rewq: once it opens please tell me
[07:00] <Turms> i have installed another distro (ubuntu gutsy) how can i transfer from the previous one my custom smileys to the new one?
[07:00] <Turms> i just copied the .amsn dir but with no avail
[07:00] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Strace
[07:01] <rewq> ok I opend th source list
[07:01] <Aishiko> thanks gnomefreak
[07:01] <rewq> and now...
[07:01] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: yw
[07:01] <gnomefreak> rewq: every line that has it.archive......
[07:01] <savvas> LiMaO: sudo mkdir /etc/qt3/ && sudo wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/729078 -o/etc/qt3/qtrc
[07:02] <gnomefreak> remove the it and in its place put gb
[07:02] <Konam> My internet connection in gutsy dies every once in a while, it drags down my internet experience. It could be working right now and die for a moment and then it works after a while, briefly moments, it makes my browser take too long just to load a web page, because the connection is death most of the time and when it work is just for a few seconds. What's wrong?
[07:02] <rewq> change it to gb???
[07:02] <gnomefreak> rewq: when done save and close it
[07:02] <reon_> whoot!, just got 3G working with a cool gui app, I'm so happy I can...  :)
[07:02] <gnomefreak> rewq: yes
[07:02] <tretle> how do i install kde4?
[07:02] <rewq> o thank u
[07:02] <savvas> woops
[07:02] <gnomefreak> tretle: see kubuntu.org
[07:02] <savvas> LiMaO: wait
[07:02] <gnomefreak> rewq: after you close it run apt-get update
[07:03] <tretle> in #kubuntu they said to ask here
[07:03] <savvas> LiMaO: this should do it: sudo wget http://pastebin.ca/raw/729078 -O/etc/qt3/qtrc
[07:03] <savvas> LiMaO: that's the qtrc from feisty
[07:03] <gnomefreak> tretle: this channle has nothing to do with kde 4
[07:04] <gnomefreak> tretle: read the article on kubuntu.org
[07:04] <gnomefreak> tretle: btw kde4 has pretty much nothing
[07:05] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: do you think the last 5 or 6 processes from htop would be useful to the troubleshooting or do you think they'll want more?
[07:05] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: what are their CPU% adn mem%
[07:06] <Aishiko> CPU 0.0 mem 0.1 or 0.2
[07:06] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: not at all
[07:06] <njende> tretle: you'll find the answer to your question on kde.org -- eventhough I would suggest that you shouldn't install right now as the Beta3 has been postponed due to some probs. And if you don't know how to install it, I don't think you know how to solve the probs which may occur.
[07:06] <rewq> ok I did it and it gives the same error...
[07:07] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: what should I be looking for?
[07:07] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: something using alot of mem or alot of CPU
[07:07] <rewq> root@ubuntu:~# sudo apt-get update
[07:07] <rewq> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Beta i386 (20070925.2) gutsy/main Translation-en_US
[07:07] <rewq> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Beta i386 (20070925.2) gutsy/restricted Translation-en_US
[07:07] <rewq> 20% [Connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]  [Connecting to archive.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]  [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (1.0.0
[07:07] <LiMaO> savvas, that will make virtualbox looks beautiful again? =D
[07:07] <gnomefreak> rewq: comment out the cdrom repo
[07:07] <gnomefreak> rewq: and use pastebin
[07:08] <rewq> ok how do i use pastebin???
[07:08] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: nothing like that yet
[07:08] <osito> hello all, letest updates have nuked my screen to a rainbow of flashing colors, I have and nvidia ge force go 4 on my laptop, can anyone help?
[07:08] <njende> tretle:
[07:08] <njende> I'd love to hear how finished Beta 3 is/will
[07:08] <njende> feel. How usable is it, more so than beta 2? How do all the changes of
[07:08] <njende> the last few days,  like a BIC friday, and the upcoming developer
[07:08] <njende> platform release affect the user experience of beta 3?
[07:09] <fay_elf> If i dont wanna apt-get to gutsy, can i get the alternate cd after final is released and use just the iso to do the update?
[07:09] <savvas> LiMaO: well.. I made mine with a different way, I added that qtrc in my home dir, all details here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/145709
[07:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145709 in qt-x11-free "7.10: Qt3 ~/.qt owner root and missing qtrc result result in ugly appearance" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:09] <gnomefreak> fay_elf: yes
[07:09] <rewq> didit and no difrent
[07:09] <tretle> i know how to install kde
[07:09] <osito> anyone?
[07:09] <rewq> same prob
[07:09] <tretle> and am 99% sure about kde4
[07:09] <gnomefreak> rewq: than its a local issue not a mirror issues
[07:10] <rewq> cant connect to any server
[07:10] <fay_elf> Gnomefreak: can i mount with adept?
[07:10] <gnomefreak> !upgrade | fay_elf
[07:10] <ubotu> fay_elf: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:10] <gnomefreak> gaythat will tell you how near bottom
[07:10] <LiMaO> savvas, you downloaded that libqt3-mt package?
[07:10] <gnomefreak> fay_elf: cd upgrade is kind of shakey right now
[07:10] <rewq> is there any way i can install wireless without apt-get working???
[07:11] <osito> anyone seeing a rainbow of flashing colors in nvidia laptop cards?
[07:11] <gnomefreak> rewq: yes wget and dpkg
[07:11] <fay_elf> Gnomefreak:but after 18th?
[07:11] <rewq> I need ndiswrapper
[07:11] <gnomefreak> fay_elf: hopfully will work better
[07:11] <LiMaO> savvas, i'll follow the instructions on that last page you gave me, thank you so much
[07:11] <rewq> and linux headers
[07:11] <savvas> LiMaO: no, I made my own "theme" in the bug report :) the other one from pastebin, yes it's from libqt3-mt feisty's package
[07:12] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: this looks promising CPU 100 and mem 11.2%
[07:12] <gnomefreak> rewq: use package.ubuntu.com and download the version for your system and use dpokg to install
[07:12] <fay_elf> Rewq: i think if you have a cd the ndis is there
[07:12] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: what is it xorg?
[07:12] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: ktorrent
[07:12] <buntunub> irt my last xorg issue, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/139990
[07:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139990 in xorg "gutsy: Xorg with two screens crashes" [Medium,Triaged]
[07:12] <Aishiko> gnomefreak:  it's the top 3 at the moment
[07:12] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: good
[07:12] <rewq> how can I take it out from cd??
[07:13] <buntunub> no resolution or suggestions to fix posted
[07:13] <gnomefreak> take a screenshot of it and attach it to bug report
[07:13] <gnomefreak> rewq: its not on the cd
[07:13] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: I just took the screenshot :P
[07:13] <gnomefreak> rewq: i told you how to get it, its up to you to do it
[07:14] <osito> how do I get back to the vesa driver?
[07:15] <gnomefreak> osito: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:15] <rewq> ok thank u very much all ov you
[07:16] <bazhang> bye rewq
[07:17] <osito> gnomefreak, thanks
[07:18] <Konam> i found a bug in the pidgin's plugins
[07:18] <Konam> when you enable one of the plugins and close pidgin it doesn't remember the plugins you enable.....
[07:19] <osito> gnomefreak, how do I attach to the other screens of xserver?
[07:19] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: what is "/usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7"?
[07:20] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: why?
[07:20] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: that process is now at 70% CPU and 3.1% mem
[07:20] <gnomefreak> thats just gdm
[07:21] <gnomefreak> make that X
[07:21] <gnomefreak> in general
[07:21] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: ohh so that is pretty standard then?
[07:21] <JanC> I guess some program is keeping X very busy
[07:22] <gnomefreak> Aishiko: for most part it looks like X is telling gdm to use vt7 or up to vt7
[07:22] <gnomefreak> but should only use vt1
[07:23] <JanC> gnomefreak: Ubuntu runs X on vt7 by default
[07:23] <gnomefreak> oh yeha
[07:23] <gnomefreak> duh
[07:23] <gnomefreak> dont go there
[07:24] <JanC> I've seen some Firefox extensions misbehave and causing high X activity like that
[07:25] <LiMaO> savvas, virtualbox looks wonderful again. thank you so much =)
[07:25] <gnomefreak> JanC: this is mainly ktorrent freezing it
[07:25] <JanC> but I guess it can be any program
[07:25] <savvas> LiMaO: the qtrc from pastebin or my solution in the home dir? :p
[07:26] <martalli> Is it possible to do an dist-upgrade off of the desktop cd for a feisty->gutsy upgrade?  Earlier I had plopped a desktop cd into a feisty install, meanign to reinstall, and it had offered to do an upgrade.  Would that work, or was feisty merely confused?
[07:27] <martalli> I thought that could only be done off the alternate cd
[07:27] <bazhang> martalli: not yet--once it hits final it will be. right now it is in beta
[07:28] <jdrake> My volume control keys seem to be controlling the 'front' volume control (which does nothing), is there a way I can switch it to 'PCM' or 'Surround'? This is an intel hda sound device.
[07:28] <martalli> so for right now, if I want to upgrade the computer to gutsy beta, I should use the alternate CD?  The root partition doesn't have enough space to upgrade through upgrade-manager, so I thought an upgrade off the alternate CD would save room (less packages to download and store on the root partition)
[07:29] <savvas> martalli: you can try: gksu update-manager -d
[07:29] <savvas> ah
[07:29] <martalli> not enough space on the drive =(
[07:29] <savvas> oops :)
[07:29] <bazhang> savvas: isn't that -c -d?
[07:29] <martalli> I might just reinstall.  It is a fairly basic install int he first place
[07:30] <martalli> We use it in the office mostly for internet and OOo for office stuff
[07:30] <bazhang> yes it is
[07:30] <savvas> bazhang: correct, they can do the -c one when they click "check" :)
[07:30] <martalli> I think it is only -d now
[07:30] <martalli> At least from the ubuntu website
[07:30] <bazhang> savvas: thanks!
[07:31] <LiMaO> savvas, pastebin.. just saved that file as /home/me/.qt/qtrc
[07:31] <martalli> Is there a release candidate cd out?
[07:31] <savvas> cool LiMaO
[07:31] <bazhang> martalli: yes.
[07:32] <savvas> martalli: maybe this? sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[07:32] <martalli> I couldn't find it for kubuntu
[07:32] <martalli> kubuntu rc, I mean
[07:32] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: sorry it froze again,
[07:33] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: but this time I had strace runing and loging everything
[07:33] <martalli> Ah, I think I wil just wait to upgrade this computer
[07:33] <Aishiko> now if I can just get htop to make a log :)
[07:33] <bazhang> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/
[07:33] <bazhang> martalli: right there
[07:33] <martalli> I was looking at that page, but it is the beta (built in sept)
[07:34] <bazhang> you mean a nightly build?
[07:34] <martalli> The schedule was for a rc in october
[07:34] <bazhang> beta is late september
[07:34] <martalli> Ah, its no big deal.  I will just wait until the actual release.  My office staff would have a fit if their was any glitch
[07:35] <martalli> as there could always be before the final release
[07:35] <bazhang> good idea.
[07:35] <martalli> Better to keep them happy
[07:35] <Konam> someone can confirm it
[07:35] <thompa> hello, not sure to use 64 or 386 for intel macbook?
[07:35] <njende> martalli: and maybe the bugs in sis190 and some mor are fixed til the final release as well ;-)
[07:36] <thompa> i know about flash and adobe dont care about that
[07:36] <Aishiko> gnomefreak: dang this log is huge!
[07:36] <njende> thompa: i386
[07:36] <Konam> is just in the gutsy's pidgin package, other third party packages work just fine
[07:36] <njende> thompa: ahhh...if you dont care about flash and stuff, you could try the 64
[07:36] <martalli> I am using kubuntu gutsy on an SIS mainboard without any problems
[07:36] <thompa> njende: i saw that the daily build site lists 386 for intel macs, but i thought they would run 64 also
[07:36] <njende> I think
[07:37] <thompa> yes thats right
[07:37] <martalli> With all the little troubles installing linux on Apple hardware, it would have been nice for Yellow dog to make te move to 396 hardware and continue to support Apple based hardware
[07:38] <martalli> I mean, I am a debian/*buntu user, but still, that was yellow dog's niche
[07:38] <njende> martalli: lucky you, my notebook isn't running as yet at all...having a Intel Dual Core with SiS Chipsets
[07:38] <Konam> martalli I agree with you
[07:38] <martalli> njende: That's a fairly old mainboard...an asus pundit of the old order
[07:38] <thompa> well gutsy is working great here on intel macbook with 386, only have 4G for osx and thinking of deleting it
[07:39] <thompa> only touchpad is sensitive when typing
[07:39] <martalli> thompa: If you already paid for the prop os, why not keep it?  Sure there some use for it...after all, wine won't run osx =)
[07:39] <Dr_willis> martalli,  but vmware can! :)
[07:39] <martalli> thompa: I have the same problem with my dell m1210.  I wish I could turn off the darn touchpad
[07:39] <njende> martalli: ahhh...well. the sis190 hasn't seen as far as I can tell any major changes since 2006. In the 2.6.23 Kernel shall be a better driver for sis190 and stuff
[07:39] <martalli> Dr_willis: very true
[07:40] <thompa> martalli: you can turn it off and use external usb mouse
[07:40] <martalli> Do you think they will use 2.6.23 or 2.6.24 for 8.04?
[07:40] <mahrellon> Hi! I have second HD (ext3 format) that always prompts me for root pass when I mount it. Are there any quick fixes for this? =)
[07:40] <njende> martalli: I hope so
[07:40] <Dr_willis> ,23 would be a beta kernel wouldent it? odd #'s = beta, even = stable?
[07:40] <thompa> martalli: im not sure why to keep osx other than for firmware updates
[07:41] <martalli> thompa: Couldn't figure out how to turn it off....and I wouldn't want to do it permanently, but rather an option to turn it off, or have it turn off when an external mouse is present
[07:41] <njende> Dr_willis: dunno -- to be honest
[07:41] <martalli> I think Dr_willis is right
[07:41] <Dr_willis> mahrellon,  you can make the fstab file have a entry for it with 'users' or was it 'user' option.
[07:41] <Dr_willis> mahrellon,  or just make a fstab entry for it,. and let it mount at boot.
[07:42] <thompa> martalli: try qsynapics it works here
[07:42] <reon_> thompa, i think i saw a fix for the touchpad somewhere but dont ask me where
[07:42] <thompa> i just git a fix thanks
[07:42] <thompa> i can disable or enable it
[07:42] <martalli> Oh, quoting the wikipedia: "Starting with the Linux 2.6.x series, there is no significance to even or odd numbers, with new feature development going on in the same kernel series. Linus Torvalds has stated that this will be the model for the foreseeable future."
[07:42] <mahrellon> Dr_willis, Thanks man. I'll use your info and google up some tips'n tricks. I'm sort of a newb to Ubuntu so I'll need someone to hold my hand all the way and It's probably better it's google who'll be doing the handholding so I don't have to bother you guys to much =)
[07:42] <njende> Dr_willis: however, I think that the 23 will be released as a 24 soonish. actually the 23rd is now downloadable as a rc9...shouldn't be that long anymore, I guess
[07:42] <martalli> thompa: OK, I will try it
[07:44] <thompa> martalli: you may have to edit xorg.conf is all so qsynapics will run
[07:46] <martalli> It says I need the synaptics driver, too, but xorg already notes I have a synaptics trackpad
[07:46] <martalli> Hmm.  I will find this in a sec
[07:46] <martalli> I think mepis had qsynaptics installed by default and it had worked great
[07:46] <thompa> martalli: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=493758
[07:47] <njende> cu folks later
[07:47] <thompa> you need to maybe add the touchpad section to xorg.conf
[07:47] <thompa> very easy
[07:47] <njende> got to go for a while....
[07:47] <njende> cu
[07:48] <Stev> hi, i had a problem while upgrading
[07:48] <Konam> mi internet connection keeps dying :(
[07:50] <Konam> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3488894#post3488894
[07:51] <Stev> http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6270/schermatakt0.th.png
[07:51] <Stev> on the right there are soome other errors i got during the process (in gedit)
[07:51] <usser> Stev: too small of a picture
[07:52] <martalli> Now the trackpad works better
[07:52] <Stev> uhm a sec.. :P i posted the thimb
[07:52] <martalli> I put a short delay on the trackpad while typing keys and it isn't catching while I am typing now
[07:53] <martalli> very sweet
[07:53] <Stev> http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6270/schermatakt0.png
[07:54] <martalli> Es ist mir alles Spanische
[07:55] <Stev> what should i do, now?
[07:56] <thompa> martalli: you only need to really add this to xorg.conf  under input devices synaptics:  Option "SHMConfig" "on"
[07:56] <thompa> for dell laptops this seems to work also
[07:56] <martalli> thompa: That's all I added - then restarted X and all was well
[07:56] <thompa> great
[07:57] <martalli> Its working for this Dell laptop (m1210 - a very nice rig I might add =)
[07:57] <thompa> ive got a nice working macbook with 386 am wondering if i should reinstall for 64
[07:58] <IndyGunFreak> thompa: depends.
[07:58] <Ximal> hey guys..
[07:58] <thompa> IndyGunFreak: is compiz effected anyway on 64?
[07:58] <kyja> I enabled cpu scailing. however running in conservitive mode is ideal except my lowest setting is 424 mhz wich is laggy and it can step all the way up to 3.4 ghz. is there a way to disable the 425 mhz setting so 850 is minimum?
[07:58] <Ximal> anyone mind telling me why i can't play anything ? like videos i download from frostwire ?
[07:58] <IndyGunFreak> hmm not sure
[07:59] <Konam> Ximal do you have all the restricted codecs?
[07:59] <thompa> IndyGunFreak: i also have 2g ram so im wondering if 64 will utilize more of this
[07:59] <Ximal> i tried playing a divx file and it won't decode anything divx
[07:59] <IndyGunFreak> Ximal: yu proably don't have proper codecs, what file format?
[07:59] <Ximal> konam : no but i can't figure out how to get them under add/remove
[07:59] <thesaltydog> just updated gutsy on my laptop, and now it is unusable. The booting sequence loops into a device-mapper error and never ends. I lost the control over the pc...
[07:59] <thesaltydog> I tried also to boot with the old kernel (2.6.22-12) but it is the same
[08:00] <Konam> Ximal sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:00] <IndyGunFreak> !medibuntu | Ximal
[08:00] <ubotu> Ximal: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[08:00] <Ximal> thesaltydog : did you install something that just came out ?  if so an update , it could have been buggy..
[08:00] <IndyGunFreak> just use the feisty codec repo under gutsy, it will work fine
[08:00] <Stev> While upgrading i got this error: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6270/schermatakt0.png on the right there are other errors i got during the process, the error message for all except dpkg is something like "problems with dependencies"
[08:00] <thesaltydog> Ximal, just a dist-upgrade!
[08:01] <Ximal> aye dog .. savvas warned me of some of the buggy upgrades in the distro updates
[08:01] <thesaltydog> how should I put hands on it now? It doesn't boot, not even in single mode!
[08:01] <IndyGunFreak> Stev: its pretty unlikely any of us speak whatever languate that is, so how do you expect s to help?
[08:02] <Stev> the italin part just says "there has been an error, the system may not be working. A recovery procedure will be run (dpkg --configure -a)
[08:04] <savvas> Ximal: type this in terminal: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
[08:04] <Ximal> salty : try using the restore via live cd ..
[08:05] <savvas> hm I repeated some :p
[08:05] <savvas> eh? what happened?
[08:05] <Konam> well, I go back to Feisty, no one seems to be listening to my feedback, I hope the devs get rid of them before the final release. Gutsy is, by far, the worst ubuntu Beta i've tried...
[08:05] <Ximal> ok sav
[08:06] <thesaltydog> so, the quality control over the released packages is very bad.
[08:06] <Konam> for the record: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3488894#post3488894 & http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3488039#post3488039
[08:06] <Ximal> dog : the reason for me keeping windows on a partition is in case of this type of issue you are facing so I can come try to figure it out .. heh.. how are you with us now ?
[08:07] <Turms> i cannot find emerald-themes among pkgs, do you know what is the reason?
[08:08] <robin_> hi
[08:09] <robin_> small question, I just installed kubuntu, and the nvidia 3d binary driver. how can I now enable compiz'/fusion
[08:10] <filthpig> hmm, my linksys WUSB54GC behaves kinda weird on my system
[08:10] <filthpig> it uses the rt73 chipset, and gutsy enables the rt73usb driver for it
[08:10] <filthpig> it works smoothly out-of-the-box, but at random times it just stops and throws an error
[08:11] <Stev> any idea? what should I do now?
[08:11] <filthpig> Stev, what's your problem?
[08:12] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev:    dpkg --configure -a
[08:12] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev:    sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:13] <Stev> filthpig: while uprading i got this error: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6270/schermatakt0.png. The italian part says that the upgrade was halted and that dpkg --configure -a is going to be run to try to recover the sytem.. on the right there is a list of packages where i got the error "problem with dependencies" while upgrading
[08:14] <squidy> is anyone here using compiz and xorg configured to dual head?
[08:14] <pvandewyngaerde> notme
[08:15] <Stev> dpg --configure -a just returns a list of problematic packages
[08:16] <Ximal> well i can now watch all the videos I want.. Im in heaven ! w00t
[08:16] <Stev> (the same listed on gedit in my screenshoot)
[08:17] <Dr_willis> squidy,  :) Yes. on my nvidia 8800gtsXXX card
[08:17] <squidy> squidy, do you use kde or gnome?
[08:17] <squidy> ops.. Dr_willis
[08:17] <Dr_willis> both. :)
[08:18] <Dr_willis> i got kde + compiz sort of going last night.. but it has some issues
[08:18] <Dr_willis> like the focus, and a few other annoyances
[08:18] <Dr_willis> ive not found a guide specifically for gutsy/kubuntu/compiz yet.
[08:19] <Xbehave> in kubuntu gusty my system settings dont have access to some files, can some1 help me figure out whats wrong?
[08:19] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev: try installing apport and apport-gtk first
[08:19] <squidy> Dr_willis, when you're using GTK apps in kde with compiz enabled and dual head.. is your gtk app getting slow?
[08:20] <squidy> for example.. if you minimize the gtk window like firefox or ccsm.. when you maximize it you have a delay about 2 secs
[08:20] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: i installed pyton-apt and it worked, it was the 1st dependency missing
[08:21] <Dr_willis> squidy,  i noticed all of KDE being sluggish when using compiz.
[08:21] <Dr_willis> gnome was much snappier
[08:21] <robin_> !compiz
[08:21] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:21] <wokwendell> HI all - when I boot into a secondary user account in GNOME, I get a black background (though) I can still taskbar... but no desktop icons and quit dialog doesn't come up - any ideas?
[08:21] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: now.. i need to do additional steps to continue upgrading? the upgrade process was not completed, some packages where missing and then cleanup...
[08:22] <pvandewyngaerde> try to install the packages it needs
[08:22] <pvandewyngaerde> and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:22] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: already done :) now dpkg works
[08:23] <Stev> Stev: now? how to resume the upgrade?
[08:23] <robin_> when I enable compiz with ' compiz --replace '  I lost all my file - menu / window decorations
[08:24] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev:  try sudo update-manager --dist-upgrade
[08:26] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: tnx
[08:28] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: it didn't install any new package.. while during the 1st upgrade some packages where messing when there was the error, it just removed my obsolete packages
[08:29] <pvandewyngaerde> try to upgrade again and see if it works
[08:30] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: it says that the system is up to date
[08:31] <pvandewyngaerde> but do you have 7.10 now ?
[08:32] <Stev> pvandewyngaerde: how to check? I guess yes, it said that the upgrade was completed
[08:33] <robin> !compiz
[08:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:34] <soundray> I'm updating gutsy, and it's stuck at scrollkeeper - "Rebuilding the database. This may take some time" for about half an hour. This is a fast machine. How long should I wait?
[08:34] <rothchild> evenin all, how do I get cron to run this script? http://pastebin.com/m58bae136
[08:35] <soundray> rothchild: I would schedule that with at
[08:35] <rothchild> i've installed gnome-schedule but it's not immediately obvious to me
[08:35] <rothchild> soundray ok, can you give me some pointers?
[08:36] <soundray> rothchild: echo runscript.sh | at 23:59
[08:39] <sayers> what in the world has happened to rythmbox!
[08:39] <Ximal> quick question guys...
[08:39] <rothchild> what do I do with the script (where do I put it?)
[08:39] <Ximal> if i install a windows file share program through wine... to use it... will the spyware on it be active through wine and wine allow it to do what it normally would ?
[08:40] <rothchild> Ximal generally no windows viruses don't run well on WINE
[08:41] <Dr_willis> Ximal,  ive installed apps with wine.. and explored what spyware they insgtall.
[08:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:41] <Dr_willis> then deleted the .wine dir to clean them out.
[08:41] <Dr_willis> I imagine a lot depends on the 'spyware' in question
[08:41] <Ximal> ok doc,,, does the spyware ever stay active on the linux side of things ? i assume they attack the win32 architectures and not linex/unix environments ?
[08:42] <Ximal> like can they go active and scan for ur passwords etc ?
[08:42] <Dr_willis> Depends on the spyware.. :)
[08:42] <Dr_willis> some apps have spyware 'in them' that only runs when they run..
[08:42] <Stev> How to install packages that werent istalled during the upgrade process? (upgrade was halted due to an error)
[08:42] <Dr_willis> some apps install spyware that auto-start. I doubt if wine would work with those
[08:43] <Ximal> so they would only BOOT when wine is being used
[08:43] <Ryandor> hullo
[08:43] <Ximal> my question was , is wine active at all times or only when WINDOWS programs are being used
[08:43] <Dr_willis> its possible  that they would hang around after you  closed the initial wine program.
[08:43] <Dr_willis> you could see them in the 'ps' listing as wine programs.
[08:43] <Dr_willis> wine is active when you use it. the spyware could spawn off and stay in the background. Is my guess
[08:44] <rothchild> soundray what do I do with my script to ensure that at knows where it is
[08:44] <Ryandor> anyone able to help the newb? ::
[08:44] <Dr_willis> !ask
[08:44] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:44] <Ryandor> I've got a HP/Compaq NC6220 with built-in bluetooth.. how ever Gutsy beta doesn't see it at all... (based on lshw at least).. any pointers to get it to see?
[08:44] <Dr_willis> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/spyware-keyloggers-and-wine-353301/
[08:44] <soundray> rothchild: echo /path/to/script.sh | at 23:59
[08:45] <Ximal> " ps " ??
[08:45] <rothchild> oh ok thanks (sorry for the slow uptake it's been a long day!)
[08:45] <Ryandor> I've installed everything related to gnome/bluetooth as well.. and nothing is actually detecting the biult in bt
[08:45] <soundray> Ryandor: it may be disabled in the bios
[08:45] <Ximal> it would show under system monitor right ?
[08:46] <Ryandor> I thought it was enabled but I will double check that, Soundray. (be right back) :)
[08:50] <soundray> I'm updating gutsy, and it's stuck at scrollkeeper - "Rebuilding the database. This may take some time" for about three quarters of an hour. This is a fast machine. How long should I wait?
[08:52] <[diablo] > evening #ubuntu+1
[08:53] <unf> hello
[08:53] <[diablo] > guys, I've got a KVM gutsy guest, with all updates to today... I'm thinking of installing Gutsy on my laptop, but would like to copy all the updates from my vm guest to the clean installed laptop... and then use the updates rather than download em all again.. is this possible please?
[08:53] <unf> what does exactly mean the status "fix commited" in the launchpad?
[08:54] <[diablo] > unf, think it means it's me patched
[08:54] <[diablo] > the issue
[08:54] <NightBird> unf: probably that the fix has been commited to the repo, but may not be widely available yet
[08:54] <Stev> How to install packages that weren't istalled during the upgrade process? (upgrade was halted due to an error, i suspect that some packages weren't installed)
[08:55] <soundray> [diablo] : copy the package cache over (all the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/)
[08:55] <soundray> Stev: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:55] <unf> ok
[08:55] <[diablo] > soundray, nothing more?
[08:55] <Ryandor> Bluetooth is enabled in BIOS.. but still nothing per lshw or in hardware devices :(
[08:56] <Stev> soundray:  0 installed, 0 upgraded, 1 not upgraded
[08:56] <[diablo] > soundray, then just do an apt-get update yeah?
[08:56] <unf> i ask because ive seen this status in a bug description but the program still crashes
[08:56] <soundray> Stev: okay, now 'sudo dpkg --pending --configure'
[08:57] <soundray> [diablo] : apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:57] <Stev> soundray: no output
[08:57] <[diablo] > soundray, mmm can I safely get away with only copying the one dir? do I not have to regenerate the cache info etc?
[08:57] <rothchild> Ryandor have you seen this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup?highlight=%28CategoryBluetooth%29
[08:57] <soundray> Stev: then you're probably okay
[08:58] <soundray> [diablo] : no. apt-get update creates all the info, then only downloads those debs that aren't in its cache already.
[08:58] <[diablo] > ah ok
[08:58] <soundray> *then apt-get dist-upgrade only...
[08:58] <Stev> soundray: ok.. but when i was upgrading "25 minutes" were remaning and the bar was 3/4 full
[08:58] <thesaltydog> my laptop is unusable after a dist-upgrade. It doesn't boot in any way, and loops into a device-mapper error. Shit!
[08:58] <[diablo] > soundray, you've actually tested this method out please?
[08:58] <soundray> [diablo] : many times. What are you worried about?
[08:59] <[diablo] > nothing
[08:59] <[diablo] > I attempted something similar @ work the other day
[08:59] <[diablo] > and it failed
[08:59] <thesaltydog> Booting the desktop with 2.6.22 kernel, it doen't mount my /home partition!
[08:59] <[diablo] > it did not see the copied files
[08:59] <[diablo] > had to do all the updates online
[08:59] <[diablo] > but, I'll try again with the laptop
[08:59] <soundray> [diablo] : make sure they have the right permissions once they are copied across.
[08:59] <[diablo] > nod
[08:59] <rothchild> thesaltydog I had that yesterday and it was a borked system and reload for me
[09:00] <thesaltydog> rothchild, which one of the 2 ? How did you get out of it?
[09:00] <Xbehave> is there anything like beryl-manager for gusty?
[09:00] <rothchild> when you try to mount your home partition it tells you it's 'busy'
[09:00] <Xbehave> infact is there anyway to install beryl on gusty?
[09:00] <[diablo] > I'll give it a shot, thanks soundray
[09:00] <thesaltydog> rothchild, yes!
[09:00] <[diablo] > right, TOPGEAR is on!!! wee-hee
[09:00] <[diablo] > adios
[09:01] <thesaltydog> rothchild, how did you fix it?
[09:01] <rexy_> is there a thread for the open source ati driver woes?
[09:01] <rothchild> I ended up reinstalling
[09:01] <rothchild> :-(
[09:01] <rothchild> but that's exactly why I have my /home on a different partition
[09:02] <thesaltydog> rothchild, I can't reinstall!! It is my main pc... I prefer going on with feisty's kernel.
[09:02] <usser> Xbehave: nope
[09:02] <usser> Xbehave: i think everyone hates that compiz config
[09:02] <rothchild> couldn't work out what it was I did try earlier kernels but no joy
[09:03] <rothchild> someone else here may be able to help but Hobbsee helped me yesterday and their conclusion was it was broken
[09:03] <Ryandor> "bluez-utils is already the newest version." .. " * Restarting Bluetooth services " ... hcitool shows nothing
[09:03] <thesaltydog> the kernel was broken?
[09:04] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: if you have separate /home, reinstall will not distroy that
[09:04] <mssever_> I'm developing a program that depends on libdaemonize-ruby. Someone recently complained that there is no such package in Gutsy. Since I'm not yet running Gutsy, can someone verify this and/or find the proper name for the gutsy package?
[09:04] <Ryandor> ..it as if it's not even seeing this laptop has bt
[09:04] <Lynoure> s/distroy/destroy
[09:04] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, I understand.. But what about the thousands of packages I have? And their configurations?
[09:05] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: There is a reason why the topic says what it says and the bots tells you to read it...
[09:05] <TheInfinity> hmm
[09:05] <TheInfinity> btw
[09:05] <Xbehave> i dont get what the rush the compiz is about all my favorite plugins broke and i really liked having beryl-manager even when i was using compiz as it supported crashes
[09:05] <Stev> soundray: ok.. but when i was upgrading "25 minutes" were remaning and the bar was 3/4 full.. isn't this strange?
[09:05] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, yes. I am testing ubuntu since 2005, but this discourages other testings.
[09:05] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: or boot with live cd and take backups first...
[09:05] <TheInfinity> my laptop makes powersave when i have power cable plugged in and dynamic when power cable is out
[09:05] <TheInfinity> isnt it a little curious? ;)
[09:06] <rothchild> the saltydog a lot of stuff is in the home folder so when you reinstall create a new user and then you can migrate yor config about
[09:06] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, if I reinstall, it will reinstall the same buggy kernel.
[09:06] <soundray> Stev: yes. One possibility is that it stopped updating your screen for some reason, while it worked away happily in the background.
[09:06] <Xbehave> Lynoure: a reinstall is a very windows solution it wont fix the problem for anybody else or tell anybody else how to
[09:06] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: you can reinstall feisty, if you wish, too.
[09:06] <soundray> Stev: the output you quoted indicates fairly reliably that your system is okay, though.
[09:06] <Stev> soundray:  i don't think.. i was in front of my pc while upgrading
[09:06] <Lynoure> Xbehave: I did not recommend it.
[09:06] <Stev> soundray: uhm ok..:|
[09:07] <soundray> Stev: did it stop at installing scrollkeeper btw?
[09:07] <Stev> i'm unable to open deskbar preferences on gutsy
[09:07] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: you can run some dpkg commands to list everything you have installed and a copy of /etc will save the configs
[09:07] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, as far as I can reboot with the old feisty kernel, I prefer to wait for a new 2.6.22
[09:07] <Lynoure> Xbehave: mostly antirecommended installing on one's main pc without being prepared for this. Especially if there are no backups
[09:08] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, I know, but we are very close to the release, so the testers may expect an almost stable system.
[09:08] <Lynoure> thesaltydog: oh, I was under the impression you could not get a working system at all. Sorry about the misunderstanding
[09:08] <Stev> soundray: yes scrollkeeper is installed
[09:08] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, no, I have the desktop working now with gutsy but, booting with feisty's kernel.
[09:08] <soundray> Stev: I'm asking: when it stopped progress on the install, was the last package it worked on called scrollkeeper?
[09:08] <thesaltydog> the vcery big problem is on the laptop... no way to boot.
[09:08] <DigitalNinja> Has anyone done an update in the last few minutes?
[09:09] <Xbehave> testers should always expect everything to go wrong, this morning my swap stoped working
[09:09] <Dr_willis> DigitalNinja,  doing one right now.....
[09:09] <Dr_willis> is that bad? :)
[09:09] <DigitalNinja> Dr_willis: I would like to know if anything breaks
[09:09] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, I did. It was a mess.
[09:09] <Dr_willis> heh - glad its just my newly installed Mythbuntu box thats updateing then.
[09:10] <Stev> soundray: err... yes  I read "after" instead of at.. i don't know.. i've a screen but i see the output of dpkg --configure -a
[09:10] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: I have gutsy
[09:10] <ppj> is there any reason why my nvidia drivers wont let me go above 640x480 after updates on friday?
[09:10] <DigitalNinja> did an upgrade last night and a few things broke
[09:10] <DigitalNinja> had to go back a kernel
[09:10] <Xbehave> thesaltydog whats the probelm, your home is buzy before you mount it?
[09:10] <thesaltydog> Lynoure, for the laptop I will have to reinstall. No way to boot. I have a loop on device-mapper
[09:10] <Ryandor> soundray: hidd doesn't see it, hditool doesn't see it. lsusb neither, but expected since I don;t think it's a usb device.. the bluetooth is biult-in
[09:10] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, yes.
[09:10] <soundray> Stev: never mind, it's just where I seemed to get a similar problem just now.
[09:10] <ppj> i can't even work on fixing things at this resolution its pissing me off
[09:11] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, but that is on the desktop. On the laptop there is no way to boot.
[09:11] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: are you using evsm or lvm?
[09:11] <soundray> Ryandor: does lspci show it?
[09:11] <soundray> !language | ppj
[09:11] <ubotu> ppj: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:11] <DigitalNinja> ppj: What's wrong with your resolution?
[09:11] <ppj> ubotu: uh? pissing me off?
[09:11] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, lvm
[09:11] <Ryandor> nada
[09:11] <Ryandor> soundray: nope, lspci doesn't see bluetooth either
[09:11] <ppj> DigitalNinja: after some updates on I believe friday, I havent been able to get anything but 640x480 and below resolution, I'm using the nvidia drivers
[09:11] <soundray> ppj: some people want to use this channel professionally. Your language is not appropriate.
[09:12] <ppj> DigitalNinja: and my xorg is fine
[09:12] <soundray> !fixres | ppj
[09:12] <ubotu> ppj: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:12] <ppj> xorg.conf
[09:12] <DigitalNinja> ppj: is this gutsy
[09:12] <Stev> soundray: are you able to open deskbar preferences? In resources/find file do you get tracker?
[09:12] <ppj> yes
[09:12] <DigitalNinja> ppj: go back a kernel
[09:12] <ppj> DigitalNinja: but if I go back a kernel and update won't it just break it again
[09:12] <Xbehave> i had this problem this morning with evms or whatever the non lvm 1 is called, i think its because of a kernel patch if you have the same problem, is your root on an lvm partition?
[09:13] <DigitalNinja> ppj: no
[09:13] <ppj> k
[09:13] <DigitalNinja> ppj: you need to wait for the developers to fix things
[09:13] <ppj> i know
[09:13] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, no.. the root is on a plain device
[09:13] <DigitalNinja> ppj: I did an update yesterday and it broke X
[09:13] <ppj> i'm just sick of having to run in 640x480, i can't even click on half of the options on my screen
[09:13] <DigitalNinja> ppj: I rebooted, selected the previous kernel and everything was fine
[09:13] <ppj> cool i'll see what happens
[09:14] <DigitalNinja> I hope it works for you
[09:14] <Xbehave> is uninstalling a lvm an option, if so thats the easiest fix, if not im looking for the bug i read it had a fix, either a patch to kernel or you tell lvm to not use any drives the kernel does
[09:15] <DigitalNinja> Xbehave: You can't remove LVM
[09:15] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, that's what I was looking for. How can I tell lvm not to bother with my drives?
[09:16] <DigitalNinja> if you setup your drives using LVM you are stuck
[09:16] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, I swear I NEVER setup my drives with lvm..
[09:17] <DigitalNinja> Okay
[09:17] <DigitalNinja> what does fdisk say
[09:17] <soundray> Stev: no, my system is fine after a dpkg --configure -a
[09:17] <Ryandor> soundray: I seem to recall that the bluetooth showed up under 7.04 .. but I didn't have a bt device to connect at the time. I'm wondering if there might be a related problem with my system on 7.10 that would affect.. I do have some minor issues with X and compiz, but could these relate?
[09:17] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, just /dev(hda.../hdb... and so on
[09:18] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: yeah alot of people are saying that heres the bug report its for evms but ill look for the lvm fix if its the same problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/115616
[09:18] <soundray> Ryandor: I don't think so, but I can't really claim any knowledge
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,Fix released]
[09:18] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: Yes but what kind of file system does it show
[09:18] <DigitalNinja> or should I say partition
[09:18] <thesaltydog> linux ext3
[09:18] <DigitalNinja> okay
[09:18] <DigitalNinja> looks like you don't have LVM for your drives
[09:19] <Stev> i'm unable to open preferences of deskbar
[09:19] <secret901> Including Compiz by default in 7.10 messed up the windowing in my Dell Ubuntu laptop
[09:19] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: What is LVM doing?
[09:19] <soundray> Stev: do you mean the panel, or are you talking about something else?
[09:19] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, don't know. Xbehave was saying it was due to lvm..
[09:19] <DigitalNinja> lets start from the top
[09:19] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, tks for the bug report link. It is exactly what I have on the laptop
[09:20] <Ryandor> soundray: also, if it matters: I did a clean install of gutsy on live CD dated sept 25th
[09:20] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: What is the problem?
[09:20] <Stev> soundray: deskbar, in the panel
[09:20] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, sorry I am confusing you, but I have 2 problems. One on the desktop and one on the laptop.
[09:20] <thesaltydog> Let's start with the desktop:
[09:20] <DigitalNinja> Oh
[09:20] <Ximal> haha.. found a bug
[09:20] <DigitalNinja> Which one is the LVM problem
[09:20] <soundray> Stev: what's that for?
[09:20] <Stev> soundray: the applet for the panel to search for files , launch apps etc...
[09:20] <thesaltydog> during boot sequence, /home partition doesn't mount with 2.6.22. It says that /home is busy.
[09:21] <Stev> soundray: riight click on panel / add to panel / add deskbar
[09:21] <Ximal> i accidentally tried to drag my start bar at the top of the ubuntu thing.. the icon bar that shows all things like your login name and network connection etc... anyone know how i can straighten it back up ? the text is sideways and the bar is STILL at the top
[09:21] <Ximal> haha.. nm fixed it
[09:21] <soundray> Stev: I've got it, preferences open fine
[09:21] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: Does the system boot
[09:22] <DigitalNinja> or finish booting
[09:22] <Stev> i get a crash if i try to open them...
[09:22] <thesaltydog> DigitalNinja, no. It does boot with kernel 2.6.20 (feisty)
[09:22] <Stev> i tried to purge and reinstall deskbar-applet :(
[09:22] <DigitalNinja> is this gutsy
[09:22] <thesaltydog> yes
[09:23] <Aishiko> well I just added htop images, strace, and updated the how to recreate part of my bug report
[09:23] <Ximal> this is gutsy all older are in #ubtunu :)
[09:23] <erichj> Stev, you could try purging gnome-applets and reinstalling all of them
[09:23] <Ximal> this is basically beta support ;)
[09:23] <Ryandor> soundray: Thanks for the help, even though I'm still stuck. I'm going to do a clean reinstall today to make sure everything is setup correctly. (It's true what they say about production machines!) Thanks again
[09:23] <soundray> thesaltydog: is it possibly trying to mount /home twice?
[09:23] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: boot with the working kernel and do an upgrade
[09:23] <thesaltydog> there is nothing to upgrade at the moment. Anyway I will continue with the old kernel until a good upgrade comes.
[09:24] <Aishiko> if this frezzes again I'm going to do a reinstall of every package on this machine
[09:24] <DigitalNinja> thesaltydog: When was the last time you did an upgrade
[09:24] <thesaltydog> one hour ago
[09:24] <DigitalNinja> oh
[09:24] <DigitalNinja> well
[09:24] <Stev> erichj: in resources / find file do you have tracker or the old search dialog? if the old search dialog is normal where to open tracker?
[09:24] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: do you use lvm on your system?
[09:24] <DigitalNinja> you should have a huge list of kernels to choose from
[09:24] <thesaltydog> but the big problem is on the laptop
[09:25] <DigitalNinja> what's the story there
[09:25] <thesaltydog> it doesn't boot at all after the upgrade.
[09:25] <DigitalNinja> that's strange
[09:25] <thesaltydog> looking at the boot sequence I have an infinet loop error on device-mapper.
[09:25] <DigitalNinja> can you get into grub
[09:25] <erichj> Stev, tracker
[09:25] <thesaltydog> yes, then?
[09:25] <DigitalNinja> switch to a different kernel
[09:25] <Stev> erichj: i have the old dialog.. i think
[09:25] <soundray> Stev: create a new user and see if you get the same deskbar trouble. If not, reset your gnome config for the original user.
[09:26] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: is it using lvm?
[09:26] <thesaltydog> no way. on the laptop I have 2 kernels: 2.6.22-13 and 2.6.22-12. Both of them don't work
[09:26] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, don't know
[09:26] <DigitalNinja> is this gutsy
[09:26] <Xbehave> can you chroot into the system from a live cd
[09:26] <erichj> yes
[09:26] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, maybe... the bug report says to remove evms from the pc. Can I do it from a chroot?
[09:27] <Xbehave> yes, just rember to mount the boot partition
[09:27] <Aishiko> chroot?
[09:27] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, the boot partition is not separated from /
[09:27] <DigitalNinja> I'm wondering why others don't see a long list
[09:28] <DigitalNinja> who knows
[09:28] <Xbehave> DigitalNinja: depends when you installed it
[09:28] <DigitalNinja> about 3 or 4 weeks ago
[09:28] <thompa> on this laptop i did not see a message that grub install or anything prompted for reboot
[09:28] <Aishiko> DigitalNinja: I see a long list of like 4 kernels in my grub list along with memcheck and recovery versions of each kernel
[09:28] <DigitalNinja> yup
[09:28] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, so if I chroot my "/", mount the /home, can I remove evms from the pc?
[09:28] <Stev> soundray: unable tp switch user -.-
[09:28] <thompa> target system and everything created and it stops, i have windows in the other partition
[09:29] <pvandewyngaerde> Stev:  so you are on gutsy now without any problems left ?
[09:29] <DigitalNinja> If gutsy stops working my suggestion is to try an older kernel
[09:29] <DigitalNinja> It has worked for me
[09:29] <thompa> how can i install grub from live after install is done
[09:29] <Stev> soundray: if i do "switch user" the screen flasahes for some seconds and then the screen locks for the current user