[18:09] <Phryq> hey, a couple weeks ago I tried upgrading my Ubuntu to 13.04 and my computer died part way. Now when I try to do the upgrade, I get an error halfway that there are no upgrades. I'm wondering if it half upgraded and now the OS is confused about which version it is
[18:09] <morten771> could be perhaps
[18:13] <Phryq> any way to fix it?
[18:14] <Phryq> I just ignored it before, but since my last update today virtualbox has stopped working (I uninstalled thinking a new install would fix it but it won't allow me to re-install). During the upgrade I was giving an error related to virtualbox not being able to update.
[18:14] <Phryq> so I'm thinking if I just upgrade to 13, it will fix this problem (and maybe a couple other bugs
[18:14] <Phryq> )
[18:15] <morten771> I'm not good at these things. I'm a newbie myself
[18:15] <holstein> Phryq: well, keep in mind what has happened.. this is not something that there is necessarily a quick fix for
[18:15] <Unit193> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   if it stopped, then lsb_release -a
[18:15] <holstein> Phryq: are you on the machine? can you open a terminal? or tty?
[18:15] <holstein> what Unit193 suggested was where i was going...
[18:16] <Unit193> Check /etc/apt/sources.list as well.
[18:17] <Phryq> ya
[18:17] <Phryq> tty?
[18:17] <holstein> !tty
[18:17] <holstein> Phryq: if you *can* open a terminal, then you can just do that, and not do tty..
[18:18] <Phryq> ah, but I learned about TTY, neato. I got a terminal open on the same machine I'm having the problem with.
[18:18] <Unit193> sudo dpkg --configure -a  may be needed.
[18:18] <Phryq> I'm running  sudo apt-get update, I thought I'd just updated but it seems to be doing more.
[18:19] <geirha> that only updates the package lists
[18:19] <Phryq> ah, well I've typed all 3 of those commands. No errors
[18:20] <holstein> !pastebin | Phryq
[18:20] <holstein> Phryq: you can run lsb_release -a and share that ouput
[18:22] <Phryq> http://pastie.org/7954345
[18:24] <holstein> Phryq: as that states, you are on 12.10
[18:26] <Phryq> would upgrading from terminal work better than using the gui?
[18:28] <holstein> Phryq: doesnt matter. both should be fine.. what do i suggest? plan for failure.. backup all data, and try an upgrade (if you prefer) and if that fails, do a fresh install
[18:29] <Phryq> damn. Tomorrow I will have to buy an external hard drive case to backup my stuff
[18:30] <Phryq> ok, thanks guys
[18:30] <holstein> Phryq: the hard drive you are using *will* faile.. its just a matter of when
[18:30] <Phryq> good night!
[18:30] <Phryq> the problem is with the OS though, not the hard drive, right?
[18:30] <holstein> Phryq: the problem is with neither
[18:30] <Phryq> what do you mean?
[18:30] <holstein> Phryq: you interrupted a large system upgrade.. and it seems there is no problem
[18:31] <Phryq> ah yes, that's what I meant. Fresh install and everything is fine
[18:31] <holstein> Phryq: you just need to decide what you want to do, and make it happen... i suggest the backup since that hard drive *will* fail (as they all will)
[18:31] <holstein> Phryq: everything looks fine now.. you could try an upgrade and let it properly complete
[18:32] <Phryq> it won't upgrade; that's my problem
[18:32] <Phryq> I will back up and do a fresh install of 13
[18:32] <holstein> Phryq: you said you had interrupted it, correct?
[18:32] <Phryq> ya
[18:33] <holstein> Phryq: then, it would have.. and still may..
[18:33] <Phryq> and since I interupted it a couple weeks ago, it will not upgrade
[18:33] <holstein> Phryq: have you tried via commandline?
[18:33] <Phryq> no
[18:33] <Phryq> how do I do it with commandline?
[18:33] <Phryq> it might work better through command line?
[18:33] <holstein> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2013/03/upgrade-to-ubuntu-13-04-from-12-10-in-ubuntu-via-software-updater/
[18:34] <holstein> !better | Phryq
[18:34] <holstein> Phryq: if you haver 'broken the system, then you might need to take special efforts to get it fixed
[18:34] <Phryq> ok, but I mean the GUI is not working; there is a possibility the command line might?
[18:34] <holstein> it would be better to have not interrupte it.. but im sure you can sort it out
[18:34] <Phryq> how do I upgrade with command line?
[18:35] <holstein> Phryq: can you open the link i gave?
[18:35] <Phryq> yes, didn't see it at first; thankyou
[18:37] <Phryq> "After running the above commands and finish updating your system, press Ctrl – F2 on your keyboard to open run command" I don't understand
[18:38] <holstein> Phryq: cool.. just ignore that then, and try http://linuxg.net/update-from-ubuntu-12-10-to-ubuntu-13-04-by-terminal/
[18:38] <morten771> ctrl-F2 shuold open a small dialogbox where you can write a command to run
[18:39] <Phryq> http://pastie.org/7954445
[18:40] <Phryq> ctrl-F2 doesn't seem to be working for me, but no matter, I'll go with that new link. I pasted the output of the terminal command there
[18:41] <morten771> if your keyboard have a special [Fn] key then perhaps you have tro press that for the [F2] key to work normally.
[18:41] <Phryq> nope, but it does change the screen brightness for me! haha
[18:41] <holstein> Phryq: there are several options there.. manually editing the sources should force a fix to whatever is going on.. what would i do? backup my data and fresh install
[18:41] <Phryq> anyway, I gtg to bed
[18:41] <morten771> and wait... isn't it Alt-F2 that is run...? oh yeah it is. not ctrl-f2
[18:42] <Phryq> ah, that's why
[18:42] <holstein> Phryq: if you are in a hurrry, i would come back when you have about 5 hours
[18:42] <Phryq> Good idea
[18:42] <Phryq> I'll do a re-install tomorrow.
[18:42] <Phryq> 'night
[18:42] <holstein> Phryq: i typically backup and just fresh install.. i can do a fresh install in like 15 miutes
[18:42] <holstein> with upgrades, i find, best case, they only take 4 hours or so, and nothing breaks...
[18:43] <morten771> will this make a perfect partition bakup:  "sudo dd if=/dev/sda7 of=/media/myusbdisk/bakup.img" (and if I want to access a file on it "sudo mount -ro loop /media/myusbdisk/bakup.img /mnt" (if my / is at sda7) ?
[18:43] <holstein> and, you need to have your data backed up anyway
[18:43] <morten771> and can I copy the image back to a real partition with dd on another harddisk if the one I have breaks?
[18:43] <holstein> morten771: i use clonezilla
[18:43] <holstein> also, i manually backup data that is mission critical to several locations
[18:43] <morten771> well... I thought it would be nice to have a backup that doesn't need a special backup program to be used
[18:45] <holstein> morten771: clonezilla is just running those commands for me
[18:45] <holstein> morten771: there are differnt backup gui's that just backup data.. and dont require anything
[18:45] <morten771> I want a backup that I can restore the partition to how it was, and don't have to reinstall the os manually first. even if this harddisk I have breaks. (But I still want to be able to access the individual files too if I accicently delete a file or so)
[18:46] <morten771> aha ok som clonezilla is more like a gui to the dd then. ok.
[18:46] <holstein> morten771: i use clonezilla for that, since it does all of those commands for me
[18:46] <morten771> aha
[18:46] <holstein> morten771: but, im sure you can dd it manually.. i just personally havent done that
[18:48] <morten771> if I restore a bakup to a new disk, can I (after making the partition of right size) restore this partition bakup to say /dev/sda1 (instead of where it used to be)?
[18:51] <holstein> morten771: well, in theory, its all open, so anything is possible
[18:52] <holstein> i typically just clone the whole OS
[18:53] <morten771> ok


[12:14] <artnay> Tm_T: any new versions of kedubuntu? :)
[01:32] <artnay> hey jsgotangco and miketech
[01:33] <artnay> grep omeg http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/02/14/151215.shtml
[01:34] <artnay> what do you think? he surely has a point, but what is that uncreative icon set wars?
[01:35] <artnay> it would be nice if we had such activity here that we could start a war on icon sets *grins and hides*
[02:21] <jsgotangco> hi!
[02:21] <jsgotangco> sorry i was in a meeting
[02:36] <artnay> no prob
[02:40] <artnay> what do you guys think of general feedback at /Artwork? wouldn't it be more important to receive project-related feedback into a wiki page that is meant for that (discussion and WIP for a certain project)
[02:41] <artnay> if and when artwork team actually starts to get feedback, one page for all that will be a chaos
[02:47] <artnay> is there any difference between https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Discussion and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Feedback ? seems like a dupe to me
[08:26] <junes> how do I find out what still needs to be created for the next release?
[11:01] <klepas> artnay: hey
[01:35] <artnay> klepas: pong
[01:38] <klepas> hey artnay!
[01:38] <klepas> been a while :)
[02:02] <artnay> true
[02:02] <artnay> how are you? busy with the school?
[02:02] <klepas> very
[02:02] <klepas> college is keeping me pinned down
[02:03] <klepas> i ought to be sleeping now
[02:03] <klepas> but i decided to catch up with some people
[02:03] <klepas> slept 4.5 hours last night =\
[02:04] <artnay> umh, normal sleeping hours ;)


[16:31] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie: hi! fyi, https://ubuntu.com/security/notices is giving a 503
[16:31] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie: meh, it just came back. nm :)


[07:23] <jibel> ogra_, can you build an image for OTA4? we need latest fixes for the message indicator and ubuntu-app-launch that landed yesterday
[07:55] <ogra_> jibel, running
[07:56] <jibel> ogra_, thanks
[08:03] <brendand> imgbot, help
[08:03] <imgbot> I am the firendly system-image watchbot !
[08:03] <imgbot> I know the following commands:
[08:03] <imgbot> help, stop, status, map, stunt
[08:03] <imgbot> for questions please mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:03] <brendand> imgbot status 405
[08:03] <ogra_> 405 ?
[08:08] <brendand> ogra_, well i want to know if the next image for krillin is in the pipeline
[08:09] <ogra_> brendand, for which channel
[08:10] <brendand> ogra_, ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en-proposed
[08:10] <ogra_> (status only ever showed the status after build and with the channel switches and resetting of the build numbers it cant monitor builds atm)
[08:10] <ogra_> brendand, thats the test channel for custom/device tarballs
[08:10] <ogra_> and image is building for ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[08:11] <brendand> ogra_, thanks
[08:12] <brendand> ogra_, would be great to be able to tell it a channel and see what's going on with that channel (last build, build(s) in progress)
[08:13] <ogra_> brendand, yes, it would .,.. but it is quite some effort to switch to the new model and i dont have much time for phone stuff recently
[08:13] <ogra_> (and to make the code public i have to remove all ssh keys and stuff, i'm working on a re-write that doesnt need this but it takes its time)
[08:30] <ogra_> oh, do we have a meeting ?
[08:30]  * ogra_ notes that sil isnt around
[08:30] <jibel> ogra_, canceled
[08:30] <ogra_> good
[08:30] <ogra_> (my calendar didnt notice :P
[08:30] <ogra_> )
[08:30] <jibel> yeah, any canceled meeting is a good meeting ;)
[08:31] <Mirv> ok :)
[08:31] <ogra_> well, it would be nice if my phone would agree :P
[08:31] <Mirv> last bluefin day
[08:33] <jibel> ogra_, Mirv we didn't have much to discuss anyway. Verify that next krillin build is still good, nothing on our list of critical bugs for OTA4, actions in progress: sanity testing of mako and emulator, next steps reopen the landing gates.
[08:33] <Mirv> jibel: if anyone asks for ETA for vivid reopening (for OTA5), what would I answer?
[08:33] <sil2100> ;p
[08:33] <Mirv> sil2100: go away! :D
[08:34] <sil2100> jibel: should I announce the landing gates being open?
[08:34] <sil2100> Or do you want to confirm the image first?
[08:34] <jibel> sil2100, not before we verified next build
[08:34] <jibel> nobody knows what can happen
[08:34] <ogra_> sil2100, delegate ... Mirv just volunteered ;)
[08:34] <sil2100> Is the image ready or do you guys  want one kicked?
[08:35] <ogra_> building
[08:35] <sil2100> Ossum
[08:35] <sil2100> ;) Mirv will be busy with closing meetings and airport transit
[08:36] <jibel> sil2100, what do you think about landing silo 4 (shell rotation) and build an image with only this fix?
[08:36] <jibel> s/fix/feature/
[08:36] <jibel> (after it has been verified of course)
[08:37] <Mirv> sil2100: jibel: oh yes that will be a problem since it's already an afternoon flight and it's a bit hard to to training from the tubes. but! heathrow does have 4h free wifi so I should be able to do minimal trainguarding until around 3.30pm british time
[08:37] <sil2100> jibel: I'm +1 on that but for post-OTA-4
[08:38] <brendand> Mirv, you can't do training on a train! that's surprising...
[08:38] <jibel> sil2100, yeah, not right now :)
[08:39] <Mirv> sil2100: jibel: I just not need to be picked up by guards when they see there's a guy with full bright white laptop display, a phone attached with usb cable with something like tiny desktop on the phone screen
[08:39] <Mirv> on the positive news, the XPS 13 is now waiting for me at home
[08:41] <jibel> ogra_, sil2100 what is the difference between generic and generic_x86? generic is armhf?
[08:42] <ogra_> yep
[08:42] <jibel> ogra_, there is no build for x86 emulator on bq-aquaris.en?
[08:43] <ogra_> jibel, seems slangasek didnt set one up
[08:46] <sil2100> Not sure what's up with that, since slangasek didn't like that we were promoting generic_x86 instead of generic
[08:46] <sil2100> I don't use the emulator so I wouldn't know what's up
[08:47] <sil2100> I just know we always used generic_x86
[08:47] <sil2100> Ok, I go away do some stuff now, I'll be scanning the shell every now and then to deal with train stuff
[09:03] <mzanetti> sil2100, hey, do you know what's going on here? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-1-build/190/console
[09:03] <mzanetti> seems dialer app has troubles in vivid or something
[09:05] <seb128> mzanetti, see build logs
[09:05] <seb128> mzanetti, "E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-addressbook0.1'"
[09:07] <seb128> mzanetti, seems like that code version depends on the binary split from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/0.2+15.10.20150601.2-0ubuntu1 but that's in wily only
[09:07] <seb128> not vivid
[09:44] <alf_> cihelp: Hi! Could you please add a new test ('mir_privileged_tests') to the test runs by the mir-mediumtests-runner-mako job (in job parameter 'test_suite')?
[09:57] <alf_> Ursinha: Hi! I have been trying to contact 'cihelp' for a small change in one of our CI jobs, but to no avail. We want to add a new test ('mir_privileged_tests') to the test runs by the mir-mediumtests-runner-mako job (in job parameter 'test_suite'). Could you do it, or, if not, advise us on who to contact to change this?
[10:05] <ogra_> jibel, your image is done
[10:05] <ogra_> brendand, ^^^
[10:06] <brendand> ogra_, thanks
[10:09] <jibel> ogra_, thanks
[10:10] <sil2100> imgbot didn't register it? :)
[10:11] <ogra_> sil2100, no, it cant
[10:11]  * sil2100 pats poor imgbot
[10:11] <ogra_> as i said beofre, it cant get along with the reset of image numbers when the channel was renamed
[10:12] <ogra_> the next version wont be using image numbers anymore, only cdimage build id's
[10:16] <jibel> rvr, ^ image 25 is ready, can you redo the upgrade test and verify there is not duplicate apps
[10:20] <rvr> jibel: I'm on it
[10:24] <jibel> rvr, thanks, I verifying that mako didn't explode on OTA4.
[10:24] <jibel> +'m
[10:29] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/vivid/20150605.changes quite a bunch of changes, are all of them expected ?
[10:30] <jibel> ogra_, gtk was not expected
[10:31] <ogra_> well, i guess thats an SRU
[10:31] <ogra_> (and it is not like we actually use it :) )
[10:31] <jibel> unity8 and themes is the green indicator, ofono was a no changes rebuild, and app-launch is the 'duplicate icons' fix
[10:32] <ogra_> does anyone look into making the led on arale work btw ?
[10:32] <ogra_> (beyond: we still dont use the right initrd for arale)
[10:32] <jibel> Pat discussed it on another channel 2 days ago but I didn't follow the discussion
[10:33] <ogra_> the led or the initrd ?
[10:33] <jibel> the LED
[10:33] <ogra_> ah, k
[10:33] <jibel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/3.14.13-0ubuntu1 is the GTK-3.0 SRU, nothing for the phone
[10:33] <ogra_> well, the initrd is more important imho ...
[10:33] <ogra_> yeah,m i thought so
[11:18] <popey> jibel: do we have an ETA for OTA-4?
[11:20] <jibel> popey, when it is ready?
[11:20] <jibel> popey, we are still validating the latest fixes
[11:20] <popey> ok
[11:59] <sil2100> popey: we anticipate mid next week
[11:59] <popey> sil2100: ok
[12:25] <jibel> rvr, any news on the upgrade test?
[12:26] <rvr> jibel: Finishing the checks, but looks good so far
[12:28] <jibel> rvr, which color is the LED when you receive a notification?
[12:29] <rvr> jibel: Let me check that
[12:35] <rvr> jibel: Green
[12:36] <jibel> rvr, \o/
[12:38] <rvr> jibel: Using the OTA tests in the spreadsheet, everything is ok.
[12:38] <rvr> jibel: Logs, contacts, settings, images, apps, scopes...
[12:38] <jibel> rvr, do you see duplicate icons or missing icons?
[12:38] <rvr> No duplicate icons
[12:39] <jibel> tedg, ^ you fix worked :)
[12:52] <tedg> Woot!
[12:52] <tedg> rvr, jibel, thanks for testing that in the upgrade testing!
[12:53] <plars> alf_: Ursinha: not sure what happened with the mir test you requested, I'll check into it today
[12:55] <plars> alf_: sorry for the delay, we have very limited capacity and there's not full 24 hour coverage of someone to watch for pings on irc
[13:02] <alf_> plars: no worries, thanks
[13:12] <kenvandine> cihelp: can i get CI setup for some 15.04 branches?  lp:content-hub/15.04 and lp:ubuntu-system-settings/15.04
[13:18] <plars> kenvandine: I'll take a look in just a bit
[13:18] <kenvandine> plars, thx
[13:21] <kgunn> sil2100: so is vivid+ open?
[13:29]  * Mirv back for a moment
[13:32] <popey> http://ci.ubuntu.com/  is that actually used by anyone anymore?
[13:33] <popey> cihelp: is it possible to get hold of /var/lib/jenkins/slaves/mako-15/workspace/vivid-touch_stable-mako-smoke-daily/touch/scripts/provision.sh
[13:33] <popey> cihelp I'd like to learn how the devices are setup in the lab so I can test here the same way
[13:35] <plars> popey: yep, take a look at http://ubuntu-test-cases-touch.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[13:35] <popey> oooh!
[13:35] <popey> thanks plars
[13:37] <plars> popey: the provision.sh script doesn't really have any magic. It's just ubuntu-device-flash, phablet-config, phablet-click-test-setup wrappered to try to be more resiliant against problems like random adb failures and dead hardware
[13:38] <popey> plars: that's exactly what I needed, thank you.
[13:38] <plars> popey: anytime, happy to help
[14:04]  * Mirv approaches boarding time
[14:13] <ogra_> safe flight
[14:43] <Mirv> ok plane leavimg can't check html5-theme
[14:47] <kgunn> trainguards ok, i need to changed silo4 from dual landing to wily (due to dialer app divergence)....can someone reconfig for me ??
[14:47] <kgunn> line 22 in the sheet
[14:49] <pmcgowan> ogra_, will you be around to kick an image build for us in a couple hours
[14:50] <ogra_> couple = 2 ?
[14:51]  * ogra_ cant guarantee much beyond 2-3h
[14:51] <jibel> ogra_, it should be fine, we are waiting for silo 20 to land
[14:51] <jibel> alesage, joc_ how much time do you need to verify it?
[14:52] <alesage> jibel, having some DNS issues, just finishing a flash now, an hourish?
[14:52] <alesage> jibel does that sound right for the test plan?
[14:53] <joc_> jibel: i've just tried sil0 20 and looks a lot better switching between apps
[14:55] <alesage> jibel, or less :)
[14:55] <jibel> alesage, looking at the test plan it should be less :)
[14:55] <alesage> jibel in process :)
[15:09] <slangasek> ogra_, sil2100: get me a custom tarball that matches bq-aquaris.en that we can use on i386, and I'm happy to set up a generic_x86 channel; otherwise it's not meaningful to have it on that channel
[15:11] <ogra_> slangasek, yeah, i thought so ... (and i doubt the apps and scopes in there achtually have x86 builds)
[15:11] <slangasek> jibel: ^^
[15:11] <sil2100> kgunn: I can do it but am on a train now
[15:12] <ogra_> sil2100, is it a ci train ?
[15:12] <sil2100> Worse
[15:12] <sil2100> A PL Train
[15:12] <sil2100> ;)
[15:12] <ogra_> they dont crash at least :)
[15:13] <sil2100> kgunn: can this wait approx 30 minutes?
[15:14] <kgunn> sil2100: yeah, don't see why not
[15:15] <sil2100> Thanks, not sure if my mobile 100 MB data plan would survive a train reconfigure
[15:21] <plars> kenvandine: quick question, should the trunk branches lp:content-hub and lp:ubuntu-system-settings be built for wily now, and the 15.04 branches you specified for vivid?
[15:21] <plars> kenvandine: or do you just care about the vivid ones?
[15:22] <plars> alf_: hey, your test is now merged for cupstream2distro, let us know if you have any issues with it
[15:22] <plars> alf_: it should just work now though
[15:24] <alf_> plars: great, thank you
[15:33] <cwayne> fginther: hi, how can I update the click chroot for node exp-worker-01?
[15:34] <fginther> cwayne, it can't be done remotely. do you know what it's missing?
[15:34] <cwayne> fginther: i think intltool
[15:35] <fginther> cwayne, k, I'll try to get it added
[15:35] <cwayne> fginther: also do we have a 15.04 chroot on there as well?
[15:35] <fginther> cwayne, nope
[15:36] <cwayne> can we :)
[15:37] <fginther> cwayne, I'll add it to the list
[15:38] <cwayne> fginther: thank you!
[15:39] <dbarth> hey, sorry if it's a faq, but how do you guys deal with citrain device upgrade being overriden by the overlay ppa ?
[15:43] <plars> alf_: actually, I forgot one bit, give me just a moment
[15:46] <plars> alf_: ok, should be good now
[15:55] <sil2100> kgunn: ok, the PL Train arrived, let me reconf
[15:55] <kgunn> sil2100: soooo many trains :)
[15:56] <pmcgowan> dbarth, there is a new version of the tool
[15:56] <sil2100> kgunn: you sure you want that to be wily-only?
[15:56] <sil2100> Is dialer so much differing?
[15:56] <kgunn> sil2100: well, everytime i "wait for..." i lose....so yeah
[15:57] <kgunn> sil2100: dialer is dep waiting ....cause contacts changed
[15:57] <sil2100> Ah, ok, that one
[15:57] <kgunn> so after i land, i'm gonna create a massive sync silo with my stuff and bill's together
[15:57] <kgunn> for the moment of unthaw
[15:57] <kgunn> or thaw rather
[15:57] <kgunn> once vivid+ thaws...we'll sync it all
[15:58] <sil2100> Reconfing
[15:58] <kgunn> ta
[15:58] <sil2100> :)
[16:02] <sil2100> kgunn: should be done
[16:07] <dbarth> pmcgowan: ok, i upgraded and will test once my device is flashed; thanks
[16:16] <fginther> sil2100, slangasek, Can you provide guidance on the appropriate touch images to use for the proposed-migration boottest? ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en for vivid and ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en for wily?
[16:26] <alesage> jibel, AlbertA, kgunn, passed silo 20 FWIW
[16:27] <sil2100> fginther: hey! I think those two would be best - are boottests done on krillins?
[16:27] <fginther> sil2100, yes, krillin only
[16:28] <fginther> sil2100, if some other device needed to be added, the images would be updated then
[16:30] <sil2100> fginther: yeah, in that case those two channels are good
[16:31] <fginther> sil2100, thanks for confirming
[16:33] <AlbertA> alesage: ack, thanks
[16:48] <kenvandine> plars, yes
[17:03] <kenvandine> plars trunk for wily and 15.04 branches for vivid please
[17:03] <plars> kenvandine: ack
[17:03] <kenvandine> plars, thx
[17:04] <kenvandine> jgdx, ^^ FYI, those settings CI builds for trunk are running on vivid still, not wily
[17:04] <kenvandine> forgot about that
[17:04] <kenvandine> probably not why we're seeing issues, but just in case
[17:24] <jibel> trainguards can you publish silo 20?
[17:24] <jibel> robru, ^
[17:26] <robru> jibel: looks like there was a manual upload to distro unfortunately
[17:26] <robru> AlbertA: I'm going to need you to take this diff and add it as a new commit on one of your mir MPs, then rebuild: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/208231494/mir_0.13.1%2B15.10.20150520-0ubuntu1_0.13.1%2B15.10.20150520.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[17:26] <robru> AlbertA: or better yet, just push that commit direct to trunk and then rebuild
[17:28] <robru> AlbertA: nm, I'll do it
[17:28] <pmcgowan> robru, those versions are the same, what does it mean it changed
[17:28] <robru> pmcgowan: not the same, the new version is +.1, and the diff shows everything infinity changed.
[17:29] <pmcgowan> of I see it now
[17:32] <cjwatson> robru: hopefully not exactly that diff, since it adds binary files that need to be extracted
[17:33] <robru> cjwatson: what's wrong with the diff? I'm just going to take infinity's upload and sync it to trunk so the train is happy.
[17:33] <cjwatson> Binary files /tmp/qA5g_PglyQ/mir-0.13.1+15.10.20150520/tests/unit-tests/test_data/libpowerpc.so and /tmp/5Hrx9J0eTt/mir-0.13.1+15.10.20150520.1/tests/unit-tests/test_data/libpowerpc.so differ
[17:33] <cjwatson> Binary files /tmp/qA5g_PglyQ/mir-0.13.1+15.10.20150520/tests/unit-tests/test_data/libppc64el.so and /tmp/5Hrx9J0eTt/mir-0.13.1+15.10.20150520.1/tests/unit-tests/test_data/libppc64el.so differ
[17:33] <cjwatson> you can't just run that through patch and expect it to synthesise the binary files, is all
[17:33] <robru> oh
[17:34] <robru> sooo
[17:34] <robru> cjwatson: if I download the latest orig.tar and unpack it over trunk will it do the right thing?
[17:35] <cjwatson> err maybe?  if it were me, I would just grab the source package from distro, unpack in temporary directory, copy those two files from it to trunk, bzr add, and apply rest of patch
[17:35] <cjwatson> either way, diff against the uploaded source to make sure it actually matches at the end
[17:38] <robru> cjwatson: yeah this looks really wrong. ok i'll try that
[17:39] <AlbertA> robru: ok, so should I do anything?
[17:40] <robru> AlbertA: not yet, thanks
[17:41] <robru> AlbertA: will need you to do a basic smoketest after the rebuild happens
[17:41] <AlbertA> robru: ok
[17:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, gah
[17:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, will that change?
[17:47] <kenvandine> jgdx, yes, plars is taking care of that
[17:48] <jgdx> kenvandine, sweet. Thanks
[17:48] <kenvandine> np
[17:49] <robru> jibel: pmcgowan: AlbertA: ok sorry for the delay, distro is merged back to lp:mir/0.13 (MP dest) and rebuild started: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-020-1-build/149/console
[17:50] <robru> fingers crossed that there's no merge conflicts ;-)
[17:50] <AlbertA> robru: thanks!
[17:51] <robru> AlbertA: you're welcome
[17:53] <robru> ok, merge looks good. time for breakfast!
[18:05] <plars> kenvandine: jgdx: it's in the process of getting approved and merged. I'll ping you as soon as it's landed
[18:05] <kenvandine> plars, cool, thanks
[19:10] <plars> kenvandine: jgdx: the u-s-s and content-hub job changes are finished now
[19:19] <kenvandine> plars, thx
[19:32] <tedg> trainguards, Can I please get wily silos for lines 47 and 50?
[19:43] <AlbertA> robru: silo 20 looks good. smoke tested on vegetahd vivid+overlay and wily
[19:46] <robru> AlbertA: great, thanks
[19:46] <robru> jibel: pmcgowan: published rebuilt silo 20
[19:48] <robru> tedg: 8 and 16
[19:49] <tedg> Great, thanks robru!
[19:49] <robru> tedg: you're welcome
[20:06] <kenvandine> cihelp: I'm seeing a bzr error in the CI jobs for lp:content-hub/15.04 that plars just setup https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/content-hub-15.04-vivid-amd64-ci/1/console
[20:14] <robru> kgunn: looks like your qtmir-gles packaging is off. ppa has 605, -gles is looking for 602 and failing to find it.
[20:14] <kgunn> robru: yep....just now fixing that
[20:15] <robru> kgunn: heh, k. I'm not sure why the error message is "build failed: 1", I should fix that
[20:15] <kgunn> robru: hey, so i've got swap out MP's to do so (since mzanetti used his acct, instead of mir-team)....so i need to reconfig....but i can _just_ build the gles pkgs right ?
[20:15] <kgunn> e.g. i don't have to rebuild all after a reconfig i hope
[20:15] <robru> kgunn: yep you can just build one after a reconfig.
[20:15] <kgunn> yeeehaw
[20:21] <robru> brb, lunch
[20:33] <kenvandine> cihelp: disregard, i kicked a rebuild and it worked fine, so not a configuration issue :)
[20:36] <fginther> kenvandine, ah, yes. Looks like a transient launchpad oops (sorry, I thought plars was having a look, but it appears he's lost IRC).
[20:37] <kenvandine> fginther, yeah, i had just thought it might have been a configuration issue since it was the first job since it was setup
[20:38] <fginther> kenvandine, yep, it happens


[07:43] <LocutusOfBorg> tumbleweed, I don't understand where that list of paths comes from
[08:22] <toabctl> is -backports enabled by default on ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop?
[08:25] <oerheks> on impish, yes.
[12:23] <phalor> is this a bug? (ufw allow in on ens3 proto tcp from any port any to <IP_ADDRESS> port 25) says "ERROR: Could not find protocol"
[14:35] <jdstrand> if phalor returns, removing 'port any' makes it work. 'any' isn't a valid port (the error could be clearer on that point; it isn't referring to 'proto tcp', it is referring to the lookup in /etc/services)
[15:08] <ogra> jdstrand, phalor is in #ubuntu 🙂
[15:30] <enr0n> Can a core dev please retry the following autopkgtests for me?
[15:30] <enr0n> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=jammy&arch=ppc64el&package=casync&trigger=systemd%2F249.11-0ubuntu3
[15:30] <enr0n> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=jammy&arch=arm64&package=systemd&trigger=systemd%2F249.11-0ubuntu3
[15:30] <enr0n> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=jammy&arch=armhf&package=tang&trigger=systemd%2F249.11-0ubuntu3
[15:30] <enr0n> Thanks in advance.
[15:31] <ginggs> enr0n: looking
[15:33] <ginggs> enr0n: .
[15:34] <enr0n> ginggs: thanks!
[16:50] <tumbleweed> LocutusOfBorg: FWIW, a bisect got me to https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/af1d64d9f7a7cf673279725fdbaf4adcca51d41f as the culprit
[16:51] <LocutusOfBorg> so cpython regression?
[16:52] <tumbleweed> the embedding in esys-particle looks very straight-forward, so it's unlikely to be a bug there, but more digging ahead :)
[16:52] <LocutusOfBorg> tumbleweed, what about trying to add a call to _PySys_UpdateConfig in esys-particle?
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg> tumbleweed, do you agree that almost all the code using cpython should fail? or maybe they do not fail because esys-particle is installed into a custom old python directory?
[17:02] <tumbleweed> if almost all code using cpython failed, we'd have noticed it by now
[17:02] <tumbleweed> it's something a lot more subtle


[05:01] <mborzecki> morning
[05:34] <pstolowski|afk> Hey mborzecki
[05:35] <pstolowski|afk> zyga: hey, noted, i'll investigate reconnect issue in a bit
[05:36] <mborzecki> pstolowski|afk: hey
[05:37] <mborzecki> pstolowski|afk: something happened? you're earlier than usual :)
[05:39] <pstolowski|afk> mborzecki: im not working yet, need to go to school etc and will start as usual. just responded to zyga's issue from the weekend
[05:45] <zyga> Hey
[05:45] <zyga> pstolowski|afk: I can still reproduce it. I can get a coffee and try to help
[05:45] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[05:47] <pstolowski|afk> zyga: thanks, ill be on it in ~1h. my early suspicion is something with conflict checking and retry
[05:47] <zyga> Ok
[05:48] <zyga> Ping me please
[06:00] <pstolowski|afk> zyga: in the meantime can you send me your stat.json?
[06:01] <zyga> Sure, I saved a copy
[06:04] <zyga> woah
[06:05] <zyga> that state file is 34MB long
[06:05] <zyga> no wonder it takes forever to do anything
[06:05] <zyga> how big are your state.json files?
[06:08] <pstolowski|afk> Not at my PC right now.. but a few MBs at most afair
[06:15] <mborzecki> weren't we supposed to garbage collect entries in the state file?
[06:21] <zyga> mborzecki: I think we do but not frequently enough for this
[06:34] <kjackal> Hi everyone. I would like a manual review for this: https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/microk8s/revisions/45/
[06:38] <kjackal> Hi, is there anyone from the snapstore online ?
[06:53] <kjackal> jdstrand , anyone the review is urgent, we need it for ODS
[06:55] <mup> PR snapd#5179 opened: daemon: fix unit tests on arch <Simple> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5179>
[06:55] <mborzecki> trivial PR ^^
[07:02] <pstolowski> re
[07:08] <Jack_> Is there any way to snap a jar file. I searched lot, but I don't get anything to create snapcraft.yaml. please give me some examples.
[07:17] <mborzecki> zyga: are you back from vacation?
[07:17] <zyga> Jack_: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-can-i-snap-a-jar/3306
[07:17] <zyga> mborzecki: nope
[07:17] <zyga> mborzecki: just not feeling very well today, it's pretty cold in spain
[07:18] <zyga> mborzecki: my son is no longer sick but now I feel affected :/
[07:18] <mborzecki> zyga: well, nice & sunny here :) if my phone was less of a potato i'd snap a nice picture
[07:18] <zyga> mborzecki: 14C so far
[07:18] <pstolowski> oh, my, i think this huge state file is going to kill my emacs :>
[07:19] <mborzecki> pstolowski: disable font-lock-mode or use fundamental-mode
[07:19] <pstolowski> mborzecki: thanks i'll try if I regain control ;)
[07:19] <mborzecki> pstolowski: ^G^G^G
[07:20] <zyga> try sublime :)
[07:20] <zyga> that file has 36M of bytes on one line
[07:20] <zyga> most editors die on that
[07:20] <zyga> (become unusably inefficient)
[07:24] <pstolowski> even json_pp is struggling ;)
[07:24] <Jack_> @Zyga : I already tried this, but did not work for me, it shows unable to read jarfile. I also checked my path.
[07:25] <zyga> can you respond on the thread there?
[07:25] <zyga> many more people participate on the forum than are present on IRC
[07:26] <Jack_> I will do that...
[07:30] <pstolowski> allright, emacs survived and loded the file, although gave up on formatting, so i've a big blob
[07:37] <mborzecki> pstolowski: have you tried passing it through jq first?
[07:39] <pstolowski> mborzecki: great idea! it actually works
[07:40] <pstolowski> and I was too optimistic about emacs. it's unusable ;/
[07:49] <mborzecki> pstolowski: well, hard to admit but there's always vim
[07:50] <pstolowski> :D
[07:50] <pstolowski> mborzecki: jq to a txt file, then emacs worked
[07:53] <kjackal> popey: hello are you there?
[08:04] <pstolowski> zyga: how many snaps do you have?
[08:04] <zyga> about a dozen
[08:04] <pstolowski> zyga: on the problematic box
[08:05] <zyga> 39
[08:05] <zyga> woops :)
[08:05] <zyga> more than a dozen
[08:05] <zyga> I keep snapd off because otherwise it would drain my battery
[08:05] <pstolowski> zyga: right
[08:06] <pstolowski> zyga: so, first observations base on the state file
[08:09]  * zyga is curious
[08:11] <pstolowski> zyga: there was a core refresh, and this triggered reconnect for all existing connections. the state is full of hook tasks - 77608 of them - and the core  "reconnect" task is in "Doing" state (but it's not obvious if they are all related to this refresh; lots (all?) of them are still in default state = not started)
[08:11] <zyga> woooah
[08:11] <zyga> 77K hook tasks
[08:11] <pstolowski> the number 77608 looks insane
[08:12] <pstolowski> not sure what happened, trying to make sense out of it
[08:12] <zyga> this is my normal development box
[08:12] <zyga> I just noticed it burns battery very quickly and fan is crazy
[08:19] <zyga> pstolowski: one thing to consider is if this is in the stable release
[08:19] <zyga> or just in edge
[08:19] <zyga> to asses how servere this is
[08:19] <pstolowski> zyga: reconnect changes landed a few days ago
[08:27] <zyga> pstolowski: refresh to edge and see if you are affected
[08:27] <zyga> hey Chipaca
[08:27] <Chipaca> zyga: hi
[08:29] <pstolowski> zyga: yep, i'll, just trying to draw some more conclusions from your state
[08:31] <zyga> anyone else running edge that is affected?
[08:38] <Chipaca> zyga: affected by what?
[08:39] <zyga> Chipaca: 77608 hook tasks when refreshing core
[08:39] <Chipaca> zyga: that's more than 3
[08:39] <zyga> yes, must be inflation
[08:40]  * zyga is ill today, sucks to spend a week off in bed :/
[08:40] <pstolowski> zyga: ok, i think i found a bug, not sure if it fully explains the issue but is definately a problem; the hooks on reconnect (and autoconnect) has change=nil
[08:41] <pstolowski> *have
[08:41]  * zyga wonders how to fix affected systems
[08:46] <pstolowski> zyga: I just refreshed to edge and this didn't happen. 2.32.9+git733.7f74160~ubuntu16.04.1
[08:46] <pstolowski> i've 19 snaps
[08:51] <pstolowski> zyga: when you first noticed it did you stop/start snapd multiple times?
[08:51] <zyga> pstolowski: I stop it every time it starts
[08:51] <zyga> pstolowski: I aborted the change
[08:52] <zyga> but subsequent refresh does the same thing
[08:55] <pstolowski> zyga: ok. i wonder if this explains the inflation of hook tasks
[08:55] <zyga> pstolowski: how many tasks would you expect?
[08:55] <zyga> I didn't restart snapd 70K time
[08:56] <pstolowski> zyga: sure. 4 hooks for every connection
[08:57] <pstolowski> so yeah, still doesn't add up i suppose
[08:57] <pstolowski> would probably be a few hundreds total
[09:00] <pstolowski> damn, i cannot trigger it.. edge -> stable -> edge worked
[09:02] <zyga> pstolowski: my core is at 4706
[09:02] <zyga> maybe start from there
[09:03] <pstolowski> hmm. how do i do that? --revision is reject for core apparently
[09:03] <pstolowski> *rejected
[09:03] <zyga> is it?
[09:03] <zyga> why?
[09:04] <pstolowski> $ sudo snap refresh core --edge --revision=4706
[09:04] <pstolowski> error: cannot refresh "core": Access by specifying a revision is not allowed for this Snap.
[09:04] <zyga> you need to be a developer
[09:04] <zyga> of core :/
[09:05] <pstolowski> uh oh
[09:06] <pstolowski> zyga: is this a big no-no or can I get added to a list somewhere?
[09:06] <zyga> I think mvo can add you
[09:07] <Chipaca> he's off today
[09:07] <Chipaca> supposedly
[09:13] <pstolowski> aha
[09:16] <mborzecki> interesting: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8HQHfqQ9SW/
[09:20] <Chipaca> wat
[09:20] <eraserpencil> what happens if i accidentally remove /snap/current? how could I get it back?
[09:31] <pstolowski> eraserpencil: you could carefully recreate it i suppose, it's a symlink
[09:39] <Chipaca> eraserpencil: or you can disable/enable the snap
[09:45] <eraserpencil> thanks, symlink works
[10:12] <eraserpencil> Could I ask about instructions kyrofa posted in his blog? I always miss kyrofa because of timezones
[10:13] <BlueShark> I installed Slack using snap, but it does not auto-start on startup. How to make this happen?
[10:13] <mup> PR snapd#5180 opened: tests/main/snap-service-timer: account for service timer being in the 'running' state <Simple> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5180>
[10:13] <mborzecki> trivial PR ^^
[10:24] <mborzecki> any suggestions where to start looking into erorrs in #5134?
[10:24] <mup> PR #5134: Shrink image generated with snap prepare <Created by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5134>
[10:51] <mup> PR snapd#4600 closed: configstate: validate known core.* options <Created by mvo5> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4600>
[10:52] <mborzecki> review board needs a refresh
[11:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#2142 closed: Release changelog for 2.42.1 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2142>
[11:18] <mup> PR snapd#4369 closed: interfaces/bulitin: add write permission to optical-drive <Created by diddledan> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4369>
[11:23] <mborzecki> cachio: hi, #4416 fails in spread shellchecks
[11:23] <mup> PR #4416: tests: performance measurements for basic snapd commands <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4416>
[11:23] <mborzecki> cachio: i can fix those and push the changes
[11:28] <cachio> mborzecki, ok
[11:28] <cachio> np
[11:33] <mborzecki> cachio: pushed shellchecks & merged master there
[11:34] <cachio> mborzecki, great, thanks a  lot
[11:53]  * cachio afk
[12:00] <mborzecki> off to pick up the kids, bb for standup
[12:10] <kjackal> popey: jdstrand: or anyone from the store, I need help!
[12:10] <popey> sup?
[12:11] <kjackal> popey: there is a review request which is  urgent on microk8s
[12:11]  * jdstrand is looking
[12:12] <jdstrand> kjackal: I'm going to approve it, but you need to use 'organize' or similar to remove the symlink
[12:12] <jdstrand> package contains external symlinks: bin/iptables-xml lint-snap-v2_external_symlinks
[12:14] <kjackal> thank you jdstrand, I am not sure if this can be removed. We need to use the file from the host for now.
[12:14] <kjackal> We have to do a proper packaging of docker. I do not know what else are we going to find in the fiture if we do not
[12:14] <jdstrand> kjackal: r45 is approved. there are a bunch after that are not. r45 still needs to be published to a channel
[12:15] <kjackal> jdstrand: will we go through this review process on every build that has external links?
[12:15] <jdstrand> kjackal: if you want a later version to be approved, please request a manual remove
[12:16] <kjackal> thank you
[12:18] <jdstrand> kjackal: re each time> yes. but your snap is classic, just use /usr/bin/iptables-xml and don't ship the symlink
[12:18] <jdstrand> remember, with classic snap there is no mount namespace
[12:21] <jdstrand> kjackal: re docker> that shouldn't be too difficult> just grab the existing packaging, merge into yours and adjust as necessary
[12:23] <jdstrand> kjackal: please ping me if you need another revision reviewed
[12:24] <kjackal> I will thanks jdstrand
[12:56] <mborzecki> re
[13:02] <diddledan> error: cannot refresh "snapcraft": cannot query the store for updates: got unexpected HTTP status code 503 via POST to "https://api.snapcraft.io/v2/snaps/refresh"
[13:02] <diddledan> just this moment
[13:03] <diddledan> did someone trip over the power cable? :-p
[13:03] <pstolowski> https://status.snapcraft.io/
[13:03] <pstolowski> looks good in theory
[13:03] <pstolowski> could be momentary hiccup
[13:04] <diddledan> still broken for me
[13:04] <mborzecki> cachio: standup?
[13:11] <kjackal> jdstrand: hopefully last favour https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/microk8s/revisions/55/
[13:21] <jdstrand> kjackal: done
[13:21] <jdstrand> kjackal: you still need to publish it
[13:22] <kjackal> thank you jdstrand, marcoceppi will appreciate your help. Testing this now
[13:23] <mup> PR snapd#5174 closed: interfaces/default,process-control: miscellaneous signal policy fixes <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5174>
[13:25] <diddledan> \
[13:44] <eraserpencil> without using Launchpad, what are some ways I could build snaps for other architectures?
[13:51] <popey> eraserpencil: build.snapcraft.io ?
[13:51] <popey> (which uses launchpad under the covers)
[13:51] <popey> Or maybe travis or circleci?
[13:55] <eraserpencil> I didnt go with launchpad cause it's not opensource nor do i want it distributed
[13:57] <popey> ah okay
[13:57] <Pharaoh_Atem> at this time, there are no options
[13:57] <Pharaoh_Atem> you can build with snapcraft on a box somewhere, though
[13:57] <Pharaoh_Atem> that's basically what b.sc.io does
[13:57] <popey> well, you can host private repos on launchpad.
[13:58] <Pharaoh_Atem> popey: eraserpencil said "without using Launchpad"
[13:58] <popey> yeah, he said why
[13:58] <popey> I'm saying he may be wrong about his reasons why
[13:58] <Pharaoh_Atem> ah
[13:58] <Pharaoh_Atem> but he may not have the privilege to upload code to LP at all
[13:58] <popey> https://launchpad.net/+tour/join-launchpad#commercial
[13:58] <Pharaoh_Atem> even in a "private repo"
[13:58] <popey> Yeah, just offering optinos
[13:58] <eraserpencil> Pharaoh_Atem, what box are you talking about
[13:58] <popey> also *options
[13:59] <Pharaoh_Atem> eraserpencil: a computer you set up somewhere
[13:59] <Pharaoh_Atem> if you use internally something like Jenkins, you can just set up runners that can run snapcraft
[13:59] <eraserpencil> oh
[14:00] <popey> the other option is to use lxd locally
[14:00] <Pharaoh_Atem> lxd doesn't give foreign arches easily, does it?
[14:00] <popey> you can build i386 from amd64
[14:00] <popey> eraserpencil: which architectures do you need?
[14:00] <eraserpencil> I was looking at lxd.. but the guys at #lxcontainers says lxd uses the host's arch
[14:00] <eraserpencil> arm64
[14:01] <popey> yeah, arm64 is tricky
[14:01] <eraserpencil> is qemu + kvm a solution?
[14:01] <popey> that could work, albeit slow
[14:04] <eraserpencil> unless arm64 vps...
[14:04] <popey> yeah, i think we had some success with an arm64 vps.
[14:04] <popey> kyle has played with that, but he's not here right now.
[14:05] <eraserpencil> btw, when i run snapcraft, i often notice it runs on one core only, how could I make it run across all cores?
[14:06] <eraserpencil> what do you mean some success? isnt it no success or possible?
[14:06] <popey> snapcraft itself runs on one core, but if it spawns make, it usually uses the number of processors/cores
[14:07] <popey> i don't know what level of success Kyle had, he'll be online soon.
[14:07] <popey> we can ask him
[14:07] <eraserpencil> is kyle kyrofa?
[14:07] <popey> ya
[14:07] <eraserpencil> ahh, i need a chat with him. I always miss him because of timezones
[14:08] <eraserpencil> could you elaborate on spawning make
[14:08] <popey> so if your application uses "make" to build, then snapcraft will spawn it with multiple cores
[14:09] <eraserpencil> like plugin: make?
[14:09] <popey> ya
[14:11] <eraserpencil> okay. Thanks alot
[14:13] <popey> np
[15:00]  * ogra_ wonders what eraserpencil means by "not opensource" ... LP surely is opensource since 9 years ... http://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-is-now-open-source
[15:03] <eraserpencil> ogra_: to use launchpad non-private, the code has to be open-source..which mine isnt
[15:03] <ogra_> ah *your* code is not opensource ... now i get it
[15:08] <zyga> re
[15:08] <zyga> pstolowski: hey, any updates?
[15:14] <pstolowski> zyga: i've found one unrelated non-critical bug. all the problematic tasks have nil change id, i looked at the changes in this code  from last few days but couldn't find the cause. with current edge I couldn't reproduce it (and I've expected number of hooks and they have correct change ids). i hope to be able to repro when mvo adds me to the core devs
[15:14] <pstolowski> zyga: in the meantime i'm still looking at the code
[15:18] <zyga> pstolowski: ack, thank you
[15:19] <zyga> I will keep my snapd offline then, I will be back on Thursday to debug in case we don't find the smoking gun
[15:49] <kyrofa> eraserpencil, any chance you're around?
[15:51] <eraserpencil> kyrofa: hey!
[15:51] <kyrofa> eraserpencil, we seem to have very little i.e. zero timezone overlap :D
[15:52] <eraserpencil> if you see a post about ROS on the snapcraft forum by me, please ignore it. I think I JUST figure out the mistake
[15:52] <kyrofa> eraserpencil, the gstreamer one, or another one?
[15:52] <eraserpencil> aye, GMT+8 does not agree with you.
[15:53] <kyrofa> eraserpencil, yeah glad you know about the forum, that works very well for this type of thing
[15:56] <eraserpencil> how's your experience on arm64 VPS?
[15:57] <kyrofa> eraserpencil, packet.net works well
[15:58] <niemeyer> zyga: ping
[15:59] <zyga> niemeyer: yes?
[15:59] <kyrofa> eraserpencil, I'm curious though: how do you host your code? Private github? Gitlab?
[15:59] <niemeyer> zyga: Heya.. do you know anything about this message:
[15:59] <niemeyer> - Setup snap "core" (4571) security profiles (cannot setup apparmor for snap "core": cannot load apparmor profile "snap-update-ns.core": cannot load apparmor profile: exit status 1
[15:59] <niemeyer> zyga: That's on opensuse 42.3.. are we missing some dep there?
[16:00] <zyga> hmmm, it looks like we cannot either compile the profile or load it into the kernel
[16:00] <zyga> is this on your machine?
[16:00] <zyga> can you save the profile somewhere
[16:00] <niemeyer> zyga: Also, are you on holiday still? Haven't seen any notes in the forum or list
[16:00] <zyga> yes, I'm still off, will be back on Thursday
[16:01] <niemeyer> zyga: That's opensuse, not my machine
[16:01] <niemeyer> zyga: This is a plain installation from the ground up
[16:01] <niemeyer> zyga: Brand new machine
[16:01] <zyga> on 42.3
[16:01]  * zyga thinks
[16:01] <zyga> on opensuse apparmor is still disabled
[16:01] <zyga> so if we try to compile this it is surprising
[16:01] <zyga> and we definitely don't have the deps
[16:01] <zyga> (apparmor-profiles, apparmor-parser)
[16:02] <zyga> I was working on enabling those but there are still some issues (those with init scripts)
[16:02] <niemeyer> Yeah, surprising indeed
[16:02] <zyga> which kernel was that running on
[16:02] <zyga> is this a VM or something else?
[16:03] <niemeyer> 4.4.104-39-default
[16:03] <niemeyer> zyga: It's a vm on gce
[16:04] <zyga> well, this checks out: https://en.opensuse.org/Features_42.3#Linux_kernel -- 42.3 is on long-term 4.4 kernel
[16:04] <niemeyer> zyga: I've installed it by hand, but we probably have something to fix on the packaging there
[16:04] <zyga> oh? did you not use our packages?
[16:04] <niemeyer> zyga: I did exactly what our instructions say
[16:05] <niemeyer> zyga: Anyway, thanks for the info
[16:05] <zyga> I see, that's odd, I haven't seen that before
[16:05] <niemeyer> zyga: Go enjoy your holidays.. we can talk more when you're back and relaxed :)
[16:05] <zyga> :-)
[16:05] <zyga> thanks
[16:05] <zyga> btw, did you hear about the issue that affected my sytem?
[16:09] <eraserpencil> private github
[16:09] <eraserpencil> kyrofa: ^^
[16:16] <kyrofa> eraserpencil, have you experimented with build.snapcraft.io? If it worked with private github (as a commercial offering), would it solve your problem?
[16:22] <mup> PR snapd#5179 closed: daemon: fix unit tests on arch <Simple> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5179>
[16:22] <pstolowski> zyga: yes, i explained to issue in the standup
[16:23] <eraserpencil> kyrofa, I have not, but if it worked then yes
[16:27] <kyrofa> eraserpencil, we've been mulling that idea over, I'll pass your interest up the chain
[16:40] <mup> PR snapd#5181 opened: userd: add the "snap" scheme to the whitelist <Created by oSoMoN> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5181>
[18:15] <cachio> mborzecki, hey
[18:29] <cachio> kyrofa, hey, do you know if snapcraft already supports the timer for the daemons?
[18:29] <cachio> kyrofa, I am using version 2.42
[18:32] <kyrofa> cachio, the timer? What is the keyword?
[18:33] <kyrofa> cachio, worst case you can use passthrough if it's new
[18:33] <cachio> Issues while validating None: The 'apps/runner' property does not match the required schema: Additional properties are not allowed ('timer' was unexpected)
[18:33] <cachio> kyrofa, I see this error
[18:34] <kyrofa> cachio, indeed, I'm unfamiliar with a "timer" property. Was this discussed in the forum somewhere?
[18:34] <cachio> kyrofa, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/add-support-for-service-timers/1068/10
[18:36] <kyrofa> cachio, indeed, we weren't part of that discussion. You'll need to use passthrough
[18:38] <cachio> kyrofa, ok, thanks
[18:54] <mborzecki> cachio: what's up?
[18:58] <cachio> mborzecki, nothing, problem solved
[18:59] <cachio> mborzecki, it was about how to use the timer from snapcraft.yaml
[19:07] <mborzecki> aah ok
[19:27] <sm0rux> I use Swedish in my Xubuntu 18.04. As soon as I install a snap package I get directories in English. I have ~/Dokument (in Swedish) but when installing a snap package I also get ~/Documents (in English). How can I avoid this?
[19:41]  * cachio afk
[20:37] <mcphail> sm0rux: I think it is a known bug, sadly
[20:41] <sm0rux> mcphail: Thanks for coming back. Sad news, I thought it was a config issue.
[20:42] <mcphail> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-does-not-respect-directory-settings/3274 - looks as if a fix is emerging...
[20:51] <yee_> hi guys, Should be very easy question for you guys. What are the main differences between Ubuntu server 18.04 “live” and “alternative”? Do they have different purposes?
[21:02] <sm0rux> mcphail: Thanks a zillion for the link!


[00:01] <jcastro_> on it
[00:02] <jono_> thanks jcastro_
[00:02] <jono_> jcastro_, might be cool to reddit it
[00:03] <jcastro_> I'm working on the wiki page now
[00:03] <jcastro_> in about ~20
[00:03] <jono_> sweet
[00:07] <daker> woo http://www.xubuntu.org/ is not working pleia2
[00:10] <jcastro_> http://juju.ubuntu.com/Unprovider
[00:11] <jcastro_> jono_: ^^^
[00:11] <daker> pleia2: http://i.imgur.com/fAGyh.png
[00:12] <jono_> jcastro_, nice!
[00:12] <jono_> I will update the blog entry
[00:14] <jono_> jcastro_, want to kick off a thread on the mailing list and throw me a link?
[00:14] <jono_> I will add that to the blog too
[00:14] <jono_> then people know where to discuss
[00:14] <jcastro_> yeah, working it!
[00:14] <jcastro_> lots of typing
[00:14] <jono_> thanks, man!
[00:15] <jono_> thanks for doing this on your Friday evening too
[00:22] <jcastro_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2012-November/001985.html
[00:22] <jcastro_> jono_: ^
[00:25] <jono_> thanks jcastro_
[00:25] <jono_> blog updated
[00:25] <jono_> will tweet now
[00:26] <jcastro_> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/12xwlt/vpss_ubuntu_and_juju_help_us_bring_juju_to/
[12:28] <pleia2> daker: thanks, seems to be an intermittent proxying issue
[13:15] <czajkowski> pleia2: why ar eyuo up at this hour
[13:16] <pleia2> czajkowski: I'm still on the east coast, it's 8:15AM :)
[13:16] <czajkowski> ahhh
[13:16] <czajkowski> you're confusing :)
[13:16] <pleia2> I get to go home tomorrow night
[13:16] <czajkowski> pleia2: excellent