[12:17] <seb128> elmo: libgnomecups sync please
[12:18] <elmo> seb128: odne
[12:22] <KaiL> elmo: amu told me to assign this to you: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 - he was only a bit late ;)
[12:26] <seb128> elmo: thanks
[12:31] <jcole> anyone here ever used acidrip in breezy?
[12:31] <jcole> i think the ubuntu mplayer/mencoder is too old
[12:32] <jcole> i'll use the non-ubuntu...
[12:32] <blahrus> jcole: installing now whats the issue?
[12:47] <jcole> blahrus: i tried to rip a dvd with acidrip on ubuntu breezy
[12:48] <jcole> blahrus: it doesn't work with ubuntu mplayer/mencoder so i installed the non-ubuntu one instead... works fine
[01:07] <ogra> diego, ?
[01:40] <trulux> tseng: I've exhausted my IQ quota for today, but got the tmp races thing and others in the security framework I refer within the spec
[01:40] <trulux> tseng: will upload when pearls.t-e.o comes again online
[01:40] <trulux> tseng: I still think we may want to have a look at vSecurity
[01:40] <tseng> ok..
[01:40] <tseng> at the stuff prior to vsecurity
[01:41] <trulux> tseng: it's much less intrusive and much more portable
[01:41] <trulux> tseng: ok
[01:41] <trulux> tseng: on vsec, I dunno why you don't like it
[01:42] <trulux> anyways, see you tomorrow
[01:42] <trulux> need some resting here
[01:42] <trulux> too many time this week without sleeping
[01:43] <trulux> too much
[01:43] <trulux> argh
[01:43] <trulux> IQ exhausted :)
[01:43] <trulux> god night
[01:43] <trulux> good night
[02:27] <tsume> :) kde is broken
[02:27] <tsume>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu4_all.deb conflicts with knetworkconf :(
[02:28] <KaiL> you use breezy, you are silly
[02:28] <tsume> KaiL: yes, I use breezy :)
[02:28] <ogra> heh
[02:29] <ogra> use gnome the ext weeks then ;)
[02:29] <ogra> next even
[02:29] <tsume> gnome sucks at restriction policies
[02:29] <KaiL> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug2.sh << and there's the update-script
[02:29] <KaiL> eh, fix-script
[02:30] <ogra> you cant fix what is to come
[02:30] <tsume> KaiL: hehe, you are prepared
[02:30] <ogra> at least on tuesday KDE will brea heavily
[02:30] <tsume> brea?
[02:30] <ogra> break even
[02:30] <KaiL> +k
[02:30] <tsume> oh.. well damn
[02:30] <tsume> I need my beautiful kde
[02:30] <ogra> but we need g++4 ;)
[02:31] <KaiL> ogra: why do you thing gnome will survice that? :)
[02:31] <ogra> KaiL, gnome == C , KDE == C++
[02:31] <tsume> oh, a question to everyone who has a digital camera. Is your camera good, and do you have example pictures
[02:31] <KaiL> I guess, there will be enough C++ somewhere behind
[02:31] <ogra> KaiL, not in gnome ;)
[02:31] <tsume> ogra: I've used kde on freebsd going from g++295 to g++33, I know what happens :)
[02:31] <KaiL> ogra: maybe X-Server?
[02:31] <KaiL> or dbus?
[02:32] <ogra> tsume, yep :) i survived the C++ transition in debian once ;)
[02:32] <tsume> hehe
[02:32] <tsume> ogra: its fun :)
[02:32] <ogra> KaiL, dbus is already compiled with gcc4
[02:32] <daniels> hold on
[02:32] <ogra> daniels, not ?
[02:33] <daniels> if dbus is already compiled with gcc4, then libdbus-qt-1-1 has already transitioned
[02:33] <daniels> sweet
[02:33] <ogra> oh, nope
[02:33] <ogra> on tuesday then
[02:33] <daniels> ahr
[02:33] <ogra> we start on tuesday
[02:33] <KaiL> btw. who has stolen libdbus-qt-1-1 from main, daniels? ;:)
[02:33] <ogra> daniels, is dbus-sharp already enabled ?
[02:34] <KaiL> ..it's build-depend for kdebase...
[02:34] <ajmitch_> looks like I'll have to sto pusing kde apps for awhile :)
[02:34] <ogra> i'd like to pull mono t main on monday
[02:35] <KaiL> who knows a non-kde mail app, which can use kmails mailfolders? :)
[02:35] <ajmitch_> ogra: so any fixes we make to mono packages will be pushed through you (or someone else willing)?
[02:35] <jdub> coming to you LIVE from the linux australia stand at the education expo!
[02:35] <ogra> yeah
[02:35] <ajmitch_> hey jdub
[02:35] <ogra> hey jdub
[02:35] <tseng> hi dubster
[02:35] <ajmitch_> ogra: a good reason to get main upload rights then ;)
[02:35] <ogra> ajmitch_, looks like
[02:35] <KaiL> hi jdub then ;)
[02:35] <tseng> jdub: did you catch my luis photo going around the net?
[02:36] <jdub> the one with the spooky stare?
[02:36] <tseng> yes
[02:36] <ogra> hehe
[02:36] <jdub> it was rad ;)
[02:36] <tseng> the photoshop job is great
[02:36] <jdub> so i was thining
[02:36] <jdub> thinking
[02:36] <ajmitch_> jdub: I'm sure the look was because of the other guy in the photo
[02:36] <tseng> some guy made it a mug shot
[02:36] <jdub> we should zombify him
[02:36] <ogra> lol
[02:36] <jdub> and put "BUUUUUUUUGS!" as the caption
[02:39] <tsume> I mean.. pyBeagle
[02:39] <ogra> py sounds good
[02:39] <ajmitch_> I think there was a python port of lucene underway?
[02:39] <tsume> its better than bloating up a computer just for one application
[02:41] <daniels> ogra: nope, it's disabled while mono's still in universe
[02:41] <daniels> ogra: as soon as it goes into main, I'll enable it
[02:41] <ogra> daniels, as i said, its ready... monday should be the date..
[02:42] <tsume> brb
[02:42] <ogra> hmm, do i need a TB decision for that ?
[02:48] <tseng> yay!
[02:49] <daniels> ogra: cool
[02:51] <whiprush> evening gents.
[02:51] <tseng> whiprush: welcome to mono night
[02:51] <whiprush> excellent
[02:53] <tseng> ogra: hm waiting for x86 :P
[02:53] <tseng> ogra: im dying to do f-spot
[02:53] <ogra> heh
[02:53] <ogra> i'm dying to see it
[02:58] <tseng> i wonder if it just lost the log
[02:58] <ajmitch_> hey whiprush
[02:58] <ogra> i see all three here
[02:58] <ajmitch_> tseng: what else is waiting that can be worked on?
[02:59] <tseng> ajmitch_: i have it covered.. BenM built me a bunch of stuff from known-good svn that you wont have
[02:59] <tseng> is there cxx stuff you could fix? :P
[02:59] <ajmitch_> sure, I'll leave mono alone :P
[03:30] <tseng> gr
[03:31] <tseng> how is that crap getting in there
[04:27] <tseng> ogra: hm no f-spot log from amd64, it says arch any
[04:29] <tseng> ogra: it was trying to build at one point, maybe blacklisted
[05:15] <jdub> this is GREAT
[05:15] <jdub> everyone loves ubuntu
[05:15] <jdub> :-)
[05:15] <Predius> Hey, I'm in #ubuntu-love. =D
[05:17] <zul> jdub: are you at a conference?
[05:18] <daniels> zul: education expo
[05:18] <zul> ah cool
[05:35] <Burgundavia> jdub, what prompted that little statement?
[05:42] <Predius> Who doesn't?
[06:05] <jdub> zul: at an enducation expo
[06:06] <jdub> zul: doing lots of ubuntu pimping :)
[06:13] <Predius> Where is that?
[06:18] <jdub> Predius: sydney, australia
[06:19] <Predius> The Ubuntu convention was in Melbourne, right?
[06:20] <daniels> nope, that was in Sydney too
[06:20] <Predius> Ah.
[06:20] <Predius> Nice.
[06:24] <whiprush> this expo have a web page?
[06:24] <whiprush> jdub: take pics!
[06:30] <Lathiat> jdub: woo
[07:03] <bod> is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>now the canonical tree for apt?
[07:04] <bod> is cvs.d.o/deity kept in sync?  dead?
[07:06] <mpt> hi ajmitch_
[07:07] <ajmitch_> hi mpt
[07:59] <daniels> frig
[07:59] <daniels> new l-k-h makes xorg ftbfs
[08:01] <Lathiat> fixes my problems. :)
[09:33] <aj> anyone know approximately how many MOTU people there are?
[09:34] <tritium> aj, join us in #ubuntu-motu
[11:06] <daniels> morning mdz
[11:06] <Burgundavia> is 2 am here
[11:07] <daniels> ahr
[11:07] <torkel> a really early morning then :-)
[11:07] <mvo> hey mdz!
[11:08] <Burgundavia> lol
[11:09] <ajmitch_> hi mdz, mvo, et al
[11:09] <Burgundavia> mvo, you are going to hate me
[11:09] <Burgundavia> mvo, check you inbox
[11:09] <mvo> Burgundavia: oh, that was you? well ....
[11:09] <Lathiat> what did you do Burgundavia :)
[11:09] <Burgundavia> filed about a dozen UI fix bus
[11:10] <Burgundavia> bugs even
[11:10] <mvo> Burgundavia: no, just the oposite, thanks for this :)
[11:10] <Burgundavia> mpt did have a hand
[11:10] <Burgundavia> mvo, there are bigger and deeper issues to be looked at, but mpt and I agreed that a bug report isn't the best place for it
[11:12] <mpt> yeah, they can't really be split into bug-sized pieces
[11:14] <mvo> mpt, Burgundavia: what would that issues be?
[11:14] <mvo> (the deeper ones)
[11:14] <Burgundavia> a general UI redesign, to more user-centric
[11:14] <mpt> mvo: The overall navigation
[11:16] <mvo> if it's not too much work for you I would be interessted in hearing about the ideas in some more detail. python-apt becomes more mature and it might be a good tool to play with new gui ideas
[11:16] <mpt> excellent
[11:16] <Burgundavia> cool
[11:16] <mpt> I'll write up a spec for it
[11:17] <ajmitch_> mvo: how's the python-apt work going?
[11:18] <Burgundavia> mvo, are we talking dumping synaptic altogether?
[11:20] <mvo> Burgundavia: it's a stable and mature tool, I don't think it needs to be dumped. but having a different branch writen in python as a testbed for ideas
[11:20] <Burgundavia> ok, cool
[11:21] <mpt> Synaptic 1.0, perhaps :-)
[11:21] <|QuaD-_> is it ok to dist-upgrade breezy? it wants to remove a bunch of dbus and hal libraries, but upgrades others
[11:21] <|QuaD-_> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:22] <|QuaD-_>   dbus-1 dbus-1-dev dbus-glib-1 dbus-glib-1-dev libdbus-cil libhal-storage0
[11:22] <|QuaD-_>   libhal0 libnautilus-burn0 python2.3-dbus tomboy
[11:22] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-_, dbus is in major flux, and this is not the place for such discussion
[11:22] <Burgundavia> mpt, I will kick around some ideas for the repos dialog, and post to -devel
[11:23] <|QuaD-_> Burgundavia: ok
[11:29] <mvo> mpt, Burgundavia : :) I'll have to leave for today now, but maybe we can talk about it another day?
[11:29] <mpt> sure
[11:29] <Burgundavia> mvo, np
[11:29] <mvo> thanks
[11:30] <daniels> |QuaD-_: don't worry about that
[11:30] <daniels> |QuaD-_: libdbus-1-1, dbus, libdbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-1, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libhal-storage1, libhal1, libnautilus-burn1, and python2.4-dbus all get installed
[11:30] <daniels> the only breakage is libdbus-cil and tomboy, which will get fixed up later
[11:39] <|QuaD-_> daniels: so if i don't care about tomboy or libdbus-cil i am safe?
[11:40] <Kamion> d'oh, I just missed mvo
[11:40] <Kamion> doko: you around? a query about isdnutils in ship
[11:41] <doko> Kamion: yes
[11:41] <Kamion> doko: so isdnutils is a metapackage that pulls in lots of stuff, including things like an answering machine server
[11:42] <Kamion> doko: in my view not all of it is necessary for ship, and I'm trying to trim out unnecessary things to make stuff fit on powerpc
[11:42] <daniels> |QuaD-_: correct
[11:42] <doko> Kamion: yes, I tried to remove it, but ...
[11:43] <Kamion> doko: would just ipppd do the job, or should we have isdnlog and/or isdnutils-xtools too?
[11:43] <doko> isdnutils-base should be kept, and ipppd, maybe isdnlog
[11:43] <doko> yes, isdnutils-xtools would be nice too
[11:43] <Kamion> isdnutils-base will be pulled in by the dependency from ipppd
[11:44] <doko> fine
[11:44] <Kamion> hm, isdnlog is half a meg
[11:44] <doko> drop it
[11:44] <Kamion> ok, I'll make it ipppd and isdnutils-xtools
[11:44] <Kamion> since the latter's small and looks useful
[11:46] <Kamion> but if I kill isdnvbox{client,server} then I can get tcl8.3 off the CD too :)
[11:46] <Kamion> thanks
[11:46] <doko> yes, sounds good
[12:09] <Riddell> Kamion: none of the kubuntu torrents seem to be working
[12:10] <Kamion> Riddell: are any of the Ubuntu ones working?
[12:10] <Kamion> torrent.u.c was broken recently
[12:11] <Riddell> Kamion: ubuntu doesn't seem to be working either
[12:13] <Kamion> thom: can you help with checking out what's up with the torrents?
[12:14] <thom> Kamion: i have to catch a train
[12:14] <thom> bbl
[12:14] <thom> Kamion: i'll look when i get home tonight
[12:14] <Kamion> thanks
[12:26] <doko> Kamion: any reason, why libgtkmm2.0-doc is in main?
[12:32] <DanielN> hi
[12:32] <DanielN> can someone tell me how to set up an repositorie on ubuntu?
[12:33] <DanielN> or just how I build the Packages.gz ?
[12:34] <Riddell> dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages && gzip -f Packages
[12:34] <DanielN> yes.. read that in a debian hwoto
[12:34] <DanielN> but I can't find any package called dpkg-scanpackages
[12:34] <Riddell> packages.ubuntu.com should turn it up
[12:35] <Lathiat> its in the dpkg-dev package
[12:35] <DanielN> ah thanks!
[12:35] <Riddell> devscripts should bring it and lots of other useful things in
[12:35] <DanielN> ok
[12:38] <Kamion> doko: at one point, libgtkmm2.0-1c102 was probably in main, so we brought the doc package with it
[12:39] <doko> but it didn't leave, so the source is still in main, but not the libs
[12:46] <pitti> Hi
[12:47] <Kamion> doko: I've removed it
[12:48] <doko> hi pitti
[12:48] <doko> Kamion: thanks. do you build a CD before Monday?
[12:49] <Kamion> doko: I just built one, but powerpc is still oversized
[12:49] <Kamion> by, like, 1 MB :P
[12:52] <Riddell> how can I make a dpatch?
[12:53] <doko> Riddell: dpatch-edit-patch
[12:53] <tseng> lamont: are gecko-sharp or f-spot affected by any kind of arch blacklist? dont appear to be building everywhere expected
[12:55] <zyga> Kamion: why -pl ;-) ?
[12:55] <Kamion> zyga: next on the list
[12:55] <Kamion> they're roughly ordered by population I think
[12:55] <zyga> Kamion: I see
[12:55] <zyga> Kamion: BTW why is ppc iso so big?
[12:56] <Kamion> zyga: more kernels
[12:56] <Kamion> I've left language-pack-pl on i386 and amd64, and naturally it's first on the list to be added back if we have space
[12:56] <zyga> Kamion: ah, lots of Gn cpus
[12:56] <Kamion> zyga: erm, sort of
[12:56] <Kamion> G3 and G4 can use the same kernel; G5 is incompatible
[12:56] <Kamion> G5 and the IBM POWER4 chips can use the same kernel
[12:57] <ogra> Kamion, whom do i ask for a seedchange for mono, its ready to go to main now (mono, gtk-sharp and gecko-sharp), would benice to have it in before the next dbus upload
[12:57] <Kamion> IBM POWER3 needs a different kernel again, which used to be on the powerpc CDs, but I took that off
[12:58] <Kamion> ogra: can you get pitti to have a look over it for security/supportability? (I'm sure he'll love me for this)
[12:58] <Kamion> if it hasn't been looked over already
[12:58] <ogra> hehe
[12:58] <zyga> Kamion: interesting, are power3 chips common? how different are they to g3?
[12:58] <ogra> Kamion, ok
[12:58] <pitti> Kamion: gulp
[12:58] <Kamion> zyga: not all that common any more, and totally different
[12:58] <tseng> did we agree to gecko-sharp?
[12:58] <pitti> Kamion: no, I didn't yet look at it, will do soon
[12:58] <Kamion> zyga: do not make the mistake of confusing POWERn and Gn :-)
[12:58] <ogra> tseng, does it build on all arches ?
[12:59] <Kamion> the numbering schemes are unrelated
[12:59] <tseng> not currently, see my ping to lamont a few lines up
[12:59] <ogra> oh, ok, so not gecko-sharp yet
[12:59] <tseng> right.
[12:59] <Kamion> ogra: once it's ready, ask me
[12:59] <Kamion> s/ready/been checked/
[01:00] <ogra> Kamion, ok
[01:00] <ajmitch_> it'll be good to see it in main
[01:00] <ogra> dbus will be happier
[01:00] <Kamion> I'm away for most of today though, starting about now. *wave*
[01:00] <ogra> ciao Kamion
[01:00] <ogra> enjoy
[01:00] <ajmitch_> bye Kamion
[01:00] <Nafallo> Kamion: bye :-)
[01:00] <daniels> Kamion: enjoy
[01:01] <Nafallo> daniels: have you done anything to xine yet or is it working again for other reasons? :-)
[01:01] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  When is ubuntu going to integrate LookingGlass :D
[01:02] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  hey, did you get my e-mail?
[01:03] <tseng> bluefoxicy: yes, im not sure what i was supposed to get out of it
[01:03] <daniels> Nafallo: *cough*
[01:03] <daniels> bluefoxicy: sometime around never
[01:03] <Nafallo> daniels: and how shall I interpret that? ;-)
[01:04] <daniels> Nafallo: look!  a diversion!
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  You said you might show up at baltolug a couple months ago but for various reasons nothing happened (I forgot my laptop one month, my presentation the next), wanted to know if you were still interested in coming
[01:04] <tseng> bluefoxicy: i moved months ago
[01:04] <tseng> so no.
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> so that's a no
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> ok
[01:04] <Nafallo> daniels: hehe, oki :-).
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  plan B.  Teach me everything about SELinux in the next hour.
[01:05] <bluefoxicy> :)
[01:05] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  I was kidding, though lookingglass is neat
[01:05] <daniels> all the technology is there
[01:06] <daniels> just write a composite manager that intercepts events with xevie and translates them accordingly
[01:06] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[01:07] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  Or I could instead have something that zooms out and shows a bunch of small rectangular prisms from a top-down view, click one, it zooms in to show rows of rectangular prisms with windows displayed on them, you navigate with mouse gestures through and can get to any in about 5 seconds, click it, pick the facade (mouse gestures), and you got a desktop
[01:07] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  a la Hackers  >:D  ("GIMME A SYSTEM'S VIEW!")
[01:07] <daniels> ... which would be a composite manager that intercepts events with xevie and translates them accordingly
[01:08] <bluefoxicy> yeah same thing
[01:08] <bluefoxicy> just with a lot more eyes-boggling and a better chance of eventually pissing the user off
[01:09] <Nafallo> I can't bloody control the damn thing.
[01:09] <bluefoxicy> Nafallo:  Fire your girlfriend and hire a new secretary who can follow instructions?
[01:09] <Lathiat> my touchpad has started tapping too much :\
[01:10] <Lathiat> i think im going to turn taps off
[01:10] <bluefoxicy> ohwell I gotta get ready for class and work
[01:10] <bluefoxicy> i'm out for the day
[01:10] <Nafallo> bluefoxicy: well, the instructions ain't the problem. it's the lack of them.
[01:10] <bluefoxicy> Nafallo:  I keep my equipment away from girls
[01:11] <Nafallo> bluefoxicy: you don't have a geekgirl then ;-)
[01:12] <bluefoxicy> Nafallo:  I have good physical security
[01:12] <bluefoxicy> if any girls come near my room my four dogs will rape their ankles
[01:12] <bluefoxicy> (damn chihuahuas)
[01:13] <Nafallo> bluefoxicy: hmm, I can sence you don't have a girlfriend ;-)
[01:13] <bluefoxicy> obviously not
[01:13] <bluefoxicy> tee
[01:14] <bluefoxicy> when I move out of my parents' house, I'm gonna put a sign on my bedroom door that says "no girls allowed"
[01:15] <bluefoxicy> i'm also going to have like a million pillows, and build a fort out of them
[01:15] <azeem> oops, and I thought I was in #debian-women for a second
[01:15] <Lathiat> haha
[01:15] <zyga> bluefoxicy: -devel you see, no pillows allowed
[01:15] <azeem> damn IRC channels lying close to each other on tabs
[01:16] <bluefoxicy> haha
[01:16] <ajmitch_> hi azeem :)
[01:16] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  yes, no pillows allowed; you guys aren't allowed to sleep, get back to work.
[01:16] <azeem> hi Andrew
[01:16] <ogra> hey azeem
[01:17] <zyga> bluefoxicy: sleep - yes, fortify - no
[01:17] <azeem> ogra: hey
[01:17] <zyga> bluefoxicy: join #freeciv-devel and propose new 'fortify with pillows' command for girl unit ;-)
[01:17] <bluefoxicy> XD
[01:17] <Nafallo> bluefoxicy: fortify is a -hardened thing ;-)
[01:21] <zyga> oh boy soon we'll need -devel-devel-devel to do real work ;]
[01:22] <Nafallo> hmm, lonely :-P
[01:22] <zyga> Nafallo: nah, -devel-devel was so non-bork-bork-borkesque
[01:52] <elmo> [upload.ubuntu.com's going down for 10 mins or so]
[02:27] <pitti> Hi seb128
[02:28] <ajmitch_> hi pitti, seb128
[02:28] <seb128> hey pitti
[02:28] <seb128> morning everybody
[02:28] <pitti> "Morning" ??? -> ETIMEZONE :-)
[02:29] <seb128> ah ah
[02:30] <seb128> so, who is bugzilla master and could give me admin rights? elmo?
[02:32] <ajmitch_> night all :)
[02:45] <ska-fan> Can I update only certain packages from the development series?
[02:48] <Treenaks> ska-fan: you don't want that
[02:48] <Treenaks> ska-fan: why would you want that?
[02:52] <ska-fan> Treenaks: I want the new evince
[02:52] <Treenaks> ska-fan: just wait for breezy :)
[02:53] <ska-fan> When breezy comes out I'm gonna be in Novosibirsk for a year
[02:53] <ska-fan> I'm going in 3 months
[02:53] <ska-fan> I'm probably not going to be able to download much data there
[02:53] <seb128> grab it from Debian
[02:54] <seb128> new breezy one will require the new libc
[02:54] <seb128> the unstable one should work
[02:54] <ska-fan> THe good thing is that when I return I can go to straight to breezy+1
[02:54] <ska-fan> GNOME 2.16
[02:55] <Treenaks> not Gnome 3? :)
[02:55] <ska-fan> That would be even cooler, but I doubt that.
[03:05] <mjg59> Kamion: Thanks, that CD image looks good
[03:05] <mjg59> Just need to check the modem, and I'll be good to go
[03:17] <seb128> elmo: around?
[03:17] <elmo> seb128: kind of
[03:18] <seb128> du you know who I should ask to get bugzilla admin rights?
[03:18] <seb128> I would like to fix all the gnome stuff where the bugs go to debzilla by default
[03:18] <seb128> better to do that myself than bothering somebody
[03:21] <mjg59> Kamion: Ok, looks good
[03:26] <DanielN> Are there any possibilities to set up an apt repository without root access? (only webspace)
[03:29] <Lathiat> yes...
[03:31] <elmo> seb128: thom definitely has admin rights, AFAIK.  mdz might also.  I'm afraid I don't, I only have root and mysql root and I don't know bugzilla well, so unless it's urgent, I'd prefer if you ask thom
[03:32] <seb128> elmo: not urgent at all, I'll ask thom, thanks
[03:39] <DanielN> and which Lathiat ?
[03:39] <Lathiat> DanielN: eh?
[03:39] <Lathiat> DanielN: oh how?
[03:39] <Lathiat> i dunno theres various tool sfor setting up repositories
[03:39] <Lathiat> none of them need root
[03:39] <Lathiat> (what you want to use depends on what your doing, setting up a mirror, an archive fo your custom packages, etc)
[03:40] <DanielN> We are setting up a Backport server
[03:40] <Lathiat> for your personal use?
[03:40] <DanielN> no for www.ubuntuusers.de
[03:40] <Lathiat> backports of what?
[03:41] <ogra> gah
[03:41] <DanielN> we'll see that ;)
[03:41] <Lathiat> (im just trying to ascertain fi your mirroring backports.ubuntuforums.org, because they are evil)
[03:42] <DanielN> err, no. we won't mirroring them :)
[03:42] <ogra> what do you want to backport? and _why_ do you want to backport
[03:42] <ogra> ?
[03:43] <DanielN> we simply made packages
[03:43] <DanielN> or will make some ;)
[03:43] <ogra> will you offer regulary security updates ? will you care for the QA of the packages and do some monts of testing before you offer them ?
[03:44] <DanielN> err
[03:44] <ogra> will you be able not to break all users upgradeability like the other backports do with insane versioning ?
[03:44] <ogra> sorry, but i'm really not a friend of backports (like nobody here)
[03:45] <DanielN> I don't wan't to discuss about such things, cause I can't say much about this thing yet.. My question was just if it's possible to set up an apt repository without any shell access
[03:45] <ogra> nope, not without shell access
[03:45] <ogra> (you asked about root access)
[03:45] <DanielN> sorry ;)
[03:45] <DanielN> so no way to put an archive on regular webspace?
[03:46] <ogra> you'll need at least user shell access, but that should work fine
[03:46] <DanielN> ok thanks
[03:46] <DanielN> that helps
[03:46] <ska-fan> Lathiat: why are they evil?
[03:47] <Lathiat> ska-fan: They break upgradability and are done by untrusted people among other things
[03:47] <ogra> ska-fan, read my list above.... that are only some of the problems...
[03:47] <_d4vid> play Akon - Lonely.mp3
[03:47] <ogra> ska-fan, they dont get proper QA testing etc...
[03:48] <Lathiat> and their target audience is new people
[03:48] <Lathiat> who'll get scared off my broken things
[03:48] <ogra> lots of the packages are packaged very broken ad break other things, overwrite files from other packages etc
[03:48] <ska-fan> That certainly scares off
[03:48] <DanielN> ..
[03:49] <ogra> just building a checkinstall or alien package simply isnt enough...
[03:55] <azeem> synaptic_0.56+revertedto+officialhoary+0.55+cvs20050406-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[03:55] <azeem> wow
[03:55] <ogra> AAAAAARGH
[03:57] <ogra> wat the hell makes them backport such a essential package, these guys are more crazy then i thought
[03:57] <Lathiat> jeebus
[03:57] <Lathiat> someone shoot them
[03:58] <Lathiat> ubuntuforums.org is hosted by !canonical right?
[03:58] <ogra> yep
[03:58] <Lathiat> sigh
[03:58] <Lathiat> ubuntuforums is akin to #ubuntu
[03:58] <Lathiat> except i spend time in #Ubuntu i dont bother with the forums
[03:58] <azeem> is their devel forum still being gated to ubuntu-devel?
[03:58] <ogra> yep
[03:58] <Lathiat> thats evil
[03:59] <ogra> and there is a part that is linked to ubuntu-users as well
[03:59] <Lathiat> twisted
[03:59] <Lathiat> can we shoot them?
[03:59] <Lathiat> oblitrate them from the gene pool?
[03:59] <ogra> not with the CoC ...
[03:59] <ogra> we're not allowed :)
[03:59] <Lathiat> i havent signed it yet, i could do it as an outsider
[03:59] <Lathiat> some kinda conspiracy
[03:59] <ogra> heh
[04:03] <Unfrgiven> seb128: ping?
[04:04] <seb128> ?
[04:04] <seb128> why people never say what they want
[04:04] <Unfrgiven> seb128: hi. you reviewed my fast-user-switch-applet and i had some questions regarding your comments
[04:04] <seb128> hey
[04:04] <seb128> sure
[04:05] <seb128> thanks for packaging it :)
[04:05] <Unfrgiven> what does this mean? "control.ac specify a requirement on gtk 2.6, the Build-Depends should reflect that"
[04:05] <Unfrgiven> seb128: np :) im just trying to fix it up so that it will satisfy your review :)
[04:05] <Lathiat> at a guess that means it depends on gtk2.6 but the build-dep doesnt depend on gtk2.6
[04:06] <ogra> Unfrgiven, you should add a build dependency on the devel libs of gtk 2.6
[04:06] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: oh....
[04:06] <seb128> grep GTK fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2/configure.ac
[04:06] <seb128> GTK_REQUIRED_VERSION=2.6.0
[04:06] <seb128>
[04:06] <seb128> require gtk 2.6
[04:06] <seb128> so update the build-deps according to that
[04:07] <seb128> neither panel 2.0 or glade2 2.0 will force gtk2.6
[04:07] <Unfrgiven> ah right. oh i'll add a build-depends on on libgtk2.0-dev
[04:09] <Unfrgiven> seb128: and also according to your comments, it says that having gnome.mk in a cdbs rules, means that you don't need to include autotools.mk? is this correct?
[04:10] <seb128> Unfrgiven: pick one, I don't get why you use autotools.mk
[04:12] <Unfrgiven> well the cdbs documentation said that you need autotools and debhelper by default... and to add gnome.mk if its a gnome package... so i followed that
[04:12] <seb128> what documentation?
[04:13] <seb128> anyway you don't need to autotools.mk line
[04:17] <Unfrgiven> the documentation used to be here https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS
[04:17] <Unfrgiven> the site seems down at the moment
[04:17] <Sturmkind> hello again
[04:17] <Unfrgiven> seb128: but ok, ill drop the autotools :)
[04:18] <seb128> Unfrgiven: the website works from here
[04:18] <seb128> oh, the wikipage is not here, k
[04:18] <seb128> https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS
[04:18] <Unfrgiven> yep thats the one
[04:20] <seb128> look the first example
[04:20] <seb128> # Note that this class inherits from autotools.mk and docbookxml.mk,
[04:20] <seb128> # so you don't need to include those too.
[04:20] <seb128> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk
[04:20] <seb128>
[04:21] <seb128> anyway that's just a detail, doesn't matter too much :)
[04:21] <Unfrgiven> seb128: yeah i guess im just going blind :)
[04:22] <seb128> bah, no, that's just a little detail point, don't worry ;)
[04:38] <Unfrgiven> seb128: i've updated the package as per your review... i also added a depend on gksu as per dholbach's suggestion.
[04:39] <Unfrgiven> seb128: could you re-review it?
[04:39] <Lathiat> shouldnt you be using gksudo rather than gksu
[04:39] <seb128> Lathiat: gksu: /usr/bin/gksudo
[04:39] <Unfrgiven> seb128: i'm not able to access the wiki right not to update the MOTUNewPacakges page... you can get the package from http://ankur.ath.cx/ubuntu
[04:39] <Lathiat> seb128: oh
[04:39] <seb128> Lathiat: that's gksu
[04:39] <Lathiat> seb128: my bad
[04:40] <Lathiat> yeh si the wiki dead?
[04:40] <seb128> Unfrgiven: sure
[04:40] <Lathiat> are they doing the migration or something?
[04:40] <Unfrgiven> seb128: so gksu is right?
[04:40] <seb128> yep
[04:40] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven: yes, dont pay attention to me im an idiot. :)
[04:40] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: I'm sure you arent that bad :)
[04:40] <Lathiat> i'm not ;)
[04:43] <Unfrgiven> is there a good gnome based util to compare two directories?
[04:43] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven: for comparing what exactly?
[04:43] <Lathiat> theres 'meld'
[04:43] <pitti> gnome-terminal diff -Nur :-)
[04:43] <Lathiat> which is like a tool for merging source code differences
[04:43] <Lathiat> and shows file differences etc
[04:43] <Lathiat> pitti: :)
[04:43] <pitti> (sorry, SCNR)
[04:44] <zyga> Lathiat: frankly... piti is right
[04:44] <zyga> Lathiat: what more do you need?
[04:44] <Lathiat> zyga: it depends what your doing...
[04:44] <Lathiat> zyga: have you ever used meld?
[04:44] <zyga> Lathiat: no
[04:44] <Unfrgiven> well in this particular case, im trying to see the differences between two versions of ndiswrapper....
[04:45] <Unfrgiven> the new version is broken for me :(
[04:45] <seb128> Unfrgiven: no need to Depends on gksu, g-s-t already does that
[04:45] <Lathiat> meld is ncie because it shows directory structure difference and then can open up files and look at their differences with side by side source and things spitting out showing what was added, removed, etc
[04:45] <Lathiat> and then lets you push changes back and forward
[04:45] <Lathiat> it also has an svn view
[04:45] <Lathiat> makes merging changes itno trees fast
[04:45] <zyga> Lathiat: like vimdiff but for whole trees
[04:45] <Lathiat> im sure you can do it with emacs or something to
[04:45] <Lathiat> zyga: and that
[04:45] <seb128> Unfrgiven: and why do you have a fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2.tar.gz.cdbs-config_list ?
[04:46] <Lathiat> the most usefull feature is that you can see the whole tree layout
[04:46] <zyga> Lathiat: something like mc's virtual filesystem for .patch
[04:46] <Lathiat> and the files that differ
[04:46] <Lathiat> zyga: well it doesnst do patches
[04:46] <Lathiat> i dont think
[04:46] <Unfrgiven> seb128: oh... ok i'll fix that. how can i see these sorts of dependency trees? is there a nice tool to dump it for me?
[04:47] <Unfrgiven> seb128: where do i have that file?
[04:47] <seb128> ls fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2/
[04:47] <seb128> debian  fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2.tar.gz  fast-user-switch-applet-0.2.2.tar.gz.cdbs-config_lis
[04:47] <Unfrgiven> seb128: found it... its an error
[04:47] <seb128> k
[04:47] <seb128> out of this the package seems to be ok
[04:48] <Unfrgiven> seb128: how does one determine redundant dependencies?
[04:48] <Unfrgiven> seb128: e.g. the gksu from g-s-t
[04:48] <Lathiat> i hate speedstep
[04:48] <Lathiat> powernowd hasno dont scale option
[04:48] <Lathiat> and when i kill it, sometimes speedstep decides just to drop down to 600 anyway and get stuck on it
[04:48] <seb128> Unfrgiven: knowing of the packages
[04:48] <Unfrgiven> seb128: ah so that comes with experience :)
[04:49] <seb128> Unfrgiven: the Depends is not really wrong ... but what uses gksu? Does f-u-s-a uses gksudo?
[04:49] <Unfrgiven> seb128: i didnt think so but dholbach said it would be a good idea
[04:49] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: couldn't us change its min and max limits to suit?
[04:49] <Lathiat> it doesnt have limits :)
[04:49] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: s/us/you/
[04:49] <ogra> Lathiat, sure
[04:49] <Lathiat> not last check
[04:49] <Lathiat> maybe it does
[04:50] <Lathiat> oh, so it does
[04:50] <Lathiat> it still gets stuck when powernowd is running anyway
[04:50] <Unfrgiven> :)
[04:50] <ogra> Lathiat, in /etc/init.d/powernowd
[04:50] <Lathiat> i think the speedstep driver is buggy
[04:50] <ogra> Lathiat, look for OPTIONS=
[04:50] <seb128> Unfrgiven: gksudo is for the applet or for user-admin?
[04:50] <Unfrgiven> which driver are you using?
[04:50] <Lathiat> centrino
[04:50] <ogra> man powernowd shows you the possible options
[04:50] <Lathiat> yeh just looked
[04:50] <Lathiat> i forgot about those
[04:50] <CarlK> anyone here care that http://www.ubuntulinux.org is not responding?
[04:50] <Lathiat> still means i have to change it when i actually go on battery
[04:51] <Lathiat> it should have an option to not scale on AC, i started to hack it in once
[04:51] <Unfrgiven> seb128: user-admin?
[04:51] <seb128> Unfrgiven: what uses "gksudo"? why do you depends on it? for a reason.. no ?
[04:52] <Unfrgiven> seb128: to be honest i see no reason to require it. dholbach said that it would be a good idea.
[04:52] <seb128> k
[04:52] <seb128> you have an option to configure the users
[04:52] <seb128> that's why you Depends on g-s-t
[04:53] <seb128> and that's this option which uses gksudo I think
[04:53] <Unfrgiven> seb128: ah i see. gotcha.
[04:53] <seb128> so this tools is user-admin
[04:53] <Unfrgiven> seb128: but since g-s-t depends on gksu, i shouldn't need it in the depends anyways
[04:53] <seb128> which use gksudo
[04:53] <seb128> right
[04:53] <seb128> my point is than the part using gksudo has to Depends on it
[04:53] <seb128> and that's not f-u-s-a
[04:54] <Unfrgiven> seb128: yep understood
[04:54] <seb128> hum
[04:54] <seb128> I've just looked on the package
[04:55] <seb128> debian/rules:DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --with-gdm-config="/etc/gdm/gdm.conf" --with-gdm-setup="gksudo gdmsetup" --with-users-admin="gksudo users-admin"
[04:55] <seb128> keep it this way so ;)
[04:55] <Unfrgiven> seb128: yep :)
[04:56] <seb128> package is good imho
[04:56] <Unfrgiven> seb128: anyways i've updated the package again and its up for review
[04:56] <seb128> let's wait for daniel and upload it
[04:57] <Unfrgiven> seb128: yep cool. thanks for your help
[05:00] <seb128> Unfrgiven: np
[05:00] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: meld looks quite good!
[05:01] <Lathiat> i like it
[05:03] <Unfrgiven> anyways, im going to head off to bed
[05:03] <Unfrgiven> gnite all
[05:50] <lamont> tseng: %f-spot: i386 powerpc s390
[05:50] <ogra> lamont, s390 ???
[05:50] <lamont> gecko-sharp isn't blocked
[05:50] <lamont> ogra: yeah
[05:50] <ogra> heh
[05:51] <ogra> lamont, hmm, the source package says arch: any
[05:52] <lamont> yeah, well, PaS says otherwise. :-)
[05:52] <lamont> PaS wins. :-)
[05:52] <ogra> where does it get this info ? anywhere from the source package ?
[05:52] <lamont> no.
[05:53] <lamont> http://cvs.debian.org/srcdep/Packages-arch-specific?cvsroot=dak
[05:55] <ogra> hmm, thats simply wrong... and i doubt there is any mono for s390 yet
[05:57] <ogra> s/mono/working mono/
[05:58] <opi> hi guys
[06:01] <zyga> opi: hey
[06:02] <opi> zyga: are you aware of a command that would query package list with a respository?
[06:02] <opi> zyga: something like --get-selected but with main/ universe
[06:03] <zyga> opi: hmm, not really, what are you trying to do?
[06:04] <opi> zyga: helpful script :P
[06:04] <zyga> opi: like installing stuff that less legal than main and universe?
[06:05] <opi> zyga: no, testing what's in universe
[06:05] <zyga> opi: ah
[06:05] <zyga> opi: I cannot help you on this, sorry
[06:05] <opi> OK
[06:05] <opi> I'm looking around ;-)
[06:33] <GheRivero> res
[07:27] <Lathiat> zyga: :)
[07:28] <Lathiat> the svn view is particularly usefull
[07:28] <zyga> Lathiat: I never used svn
[07:28] <Lathiat> ah ok
[07:28] <zyga> Lathiat: I'm moving from cvs to arch
[07:28] <Lathiat> yeh i use baz
[07:28] <zyga> arch is pretty amazing too
[07:28] <Lathiat> its nice
[07:28] <zyga> tla?
[07:29] <Lathiat> nah, baz is much nicer
[07:29] <zyga> ah
[07:29] <zyga> should I learn baz instead of tla?
[07:29] <Lathiat> imho
[07:29] <zyga> (this suxx, 3 revolutions on one day?)
[07:29] <Lathiat> haha
[07:29] <zyga> are they compatible?
[07:29] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:29] <tsume> theres a bug in nautilus :(
[07:30] <Lathiat> altho if you want a baz arhive to be totally compatible with tla i think you hae to pass --tla to make-archive
[07:30] <Lathiat> but you can read and work with tla archives fine
[07:30] <zyga> great
[07:30] <Lathiat> and with --tla they can read baz archives too
[07:30] <Lathiat> the commands to baz are a little more sane
[07:30] <Lathiat> and they implemented url support to most stuff
[07:30] <zyga> so I can finish moving my current archives to tla and then start reading about baz
[07:30] <Lathiat> among other things
[07:30] <Lathiat> seems to be nice
[07:30] <Lathiat> jamesh posted a comparison between cvs, svn and baz recently
[07:30] <Lathiat> might be worth a read
[07:31] <Nafallo> hi all!
[07:31] <Lathiat> (comparison of commands and how to acheive atasks with each)
[07:31] <zyga> Currently I'm dumping my cvs logs and such
[07:31] <Lathiat> not like a comparison of the systems as such
[07:31] <zyga> because these logs in particular are of little value
[07:31] <zyga> Lathiat: cvs and svn don't meet the distributed requirement
[07:32] <Lathiat> zyga: right, but if you know cvs, reading his examples may help you grasp the basic concepts if you havent already
[07:32] <Lathiat> and perhaps shwo you how its different from tla if ouve got that sorted
[07:32] <zyga> Lathiat: I more less already know/undestand tla
[07:32] <zyga> Lathiat: didn't dig into hairy features too much but the most critical and fundamental stuff is there
[07:32] <Lathiat> http://www.advogato.org/person/jamesh/diary.html?start=196 if your interesting
[07:33] <zyga> checking
[07:33] <Lathiat> http://www.advogato.org/person/jamesh/diary.html?start=197 <- some more info on distributed dvelopment
[07:33] <zyga> more reading, thanks :)
[07:34] <zyga> meld is awsome in it's visual side
[07:34] <zyga> I can easily see what's changed with little effort
[07:34] <Lathiat> bah i got up to do something and now the latest enterprise episode is done so i want to watch that and will keep me up for another 45 minutes and its 1:30am. :)
[07:34] <zyga> and ... what is best, resolve conflicts
[07:34] <zyga> Lathiat: hehe
[07:34] <zyga> Lathiat: I'm still pulling mine
[07:34] <zyga> horrible crawl
[07:34] <zyga> btfnet got killed
[07:35] <tsume> gah!
[07:35] <tsume> the idiots
[07:35] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:35] <Lathiat> i sourced it somewhere else
[07:35] <Lathiat> its so stupid i cant watch thsi on tv here for at least 1-2 years so like
[07:35] <Lathiat> its their fault im "pirating" the tv show
[07:35] <Lathiat> i understand movies, i dont download movies
[07:35] <zyga> I dont really feel like a pirate
[07:35] <Nafallo> it's not killed yet is it?
[07:35] <zyga> *AA crap is getting terible recently
[07:35] <Lathiat> haggai: as in btefnet or enterprise?
[07:36] <Lathiat> this is the last episode of enterprise im about to watch
[07:36] <Lathiat> sadly
[07:36] <zyga> Lathiat: both are gone now
[07:36] <Lathiat> zyga: indeed
[07:36] <Lathiat> btefnet will apparently come back
[07:36] <Nafallo> the IRC-channel says it's just idling til they have a grip on the situation?
[07:36] <Lathiat> it seems like the person who owned the domain and ran the website did a runner
[07:36] <Lathiat> you'll note btefnet.com is now asking for donations
[07:36] <Lathiat> but if you read the irc channel topic, is says its not them, please do not donate
[07:37] <zyga> hmm
[07:37] <zyga> seems like the domain is gone from dsn now
[07:37] <zyga> darn I need farster torrent
[07:37] <zyga> I feel like modem days are back
[07:37] <Lathiat> zyga: for 21 or 22
[07:37] <zyga> Lathiat: both
[07:37] <zyga> Lathiat: I hot 29% of 22 going at 1.2KB/s
[07:38] <zyga> got even
[07:38] <Lathiat> woo
[07:38] <zyga> usually my gf pull stuff from IRC ;-)
[07:53] <Nafallo> Baby: :-)
[07:54] <DanielN> Does someone know if the Apache Software License is GPL compatible ?
[07:58] <Baby> hi Nafallo :))
[08:00] <zyga> DanielN: hmm, was not that something that caused problems for perl or python some time ago?
[08:00] <DanielN> don't know
[08:01] <zyga> DanielN: AFAIR there were some license issues but I'm not really sure
[08:02] <zyga> DanielN: there is a site that explains each license in details
[08:03] <DanielN> I know.. at gnu.org I think
[08:03] <zyga> DanielN: something like that
[08:03] <DanielN> but I think it must be compatible since apache is in main section
[08:05] <zyga> DanielN: I'd check if I were you
[08:05] <DanielN> :>
[08:14] <zyga> which revison system does gnome use?
[08:15] <ska-fan_> cvs
[08:15] <ska-fan_> with discussion going on atm
[08:23] <Nafallo> baz.gnome.org :-)
[08:23] <Nafallo> ... should be a good name indeed :-)
[08:24] <zyga> foo.bar.ba.....
[08:24] <zyga> nah ;]
[08:25] <zyga> arch.gnome.org sounds okay
[08:26] <zyga> hmm
[08:26] <zyga><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:26] <zyga> is this okay?
[08:33] <wasabi> hmm.
[08:33] <wasabi> my .apt thing is going to need to manipulate pinning
[08:38] <srbaker> so what are my choices for audio players besides rhythmbox and muine?  any good gnome ones that i'm missing here?
[08:39] <ska-fan> There's totem, but muine is really the best
[08:39] <ska-fan> and there's jamboree
[08:39] <Nafallo> beep
[08:39] <srbaker> i can only get muine to do album and song, i can't get it to do "shuffle everything"
[08:40] <ska-fan> load everything in the playlist and shuffle it
[08:40] <ska-fan> but muine is probably not meant for shuffle everything
[08:40] <srbaker> muine has some cool features.
[08:41] <ska-fan> I still miss a good way to make sure that my files have correct meta data.
[08:41] <srbaker> i like quod libet or whatever for tag editing.  that's cool
[08:41] <ska-fan> Easytag is mind-blowingly complex to use.
[08:42] <srbaker> ex falso is a little resource heavy
[08:42] <srbaker> erm.  ex falso.  quod libet is a little resource heavy.
[08:45] <ska-fan> srbaker: thanks for that tip!
[08:45] <ska-fan> not in ubuntu it seems though.
[08:45] <srbaker> ska-fan, you can run it directly from the source tarball :)
[08:50] <ska-fan> grep
[08:50] <ska-fan> great
[09:10] <ska-fan> srbaker: I was looking for that kind of app for two years, thanks again :)
[09:11] <srbaker> np, it's pretty awesome :)
[09:11] <mdke> what burning app is shipping with breezy?
[09:11] <Nafallo> mdke: dunno yet.
[09:12] <Nafallo> mdke: or... nautilus-burner for data :-)
[09:12] <mdke> Nafallo, cool thanks
[09:13] <mdke> is there likely to be one? for audio burning and such
[09:14] <Nafallo> mdke: serpentine would be me bet.
[09:14] <Nafallo> s/me/my/
[09:14] <mdke> haven't tried that one
[09:14] <mdke> good name
[09:16] <Nafallo> JaneW: hi dear :-)
[09:16] <Nafallo> JaneW: hmm, there :-). but dear would be fine to ;-).
[09:18] <JaneW> hehehe hello
[09:27] <mdke> mako, here?
[09:55] <JaneW> anyone know how to change text colour on a wiki? (moin moin?)
[09:58] <mdke> is the site down? i can't connect
[09:59] <Riddell> mdke: I was just about to poke elmo on the subject
[09:59] <Riddell> kubuntu server down too
[09:59] <mdke> let us both poke him
[09:59] <JaneW> elmo everything in the data centre's going to disappear for 2-3 minutes...
[09:59] <mdke> ah
[09:59] <mdke> yes udu down too
[10:00] <JaneW> luckilly my change was saved first...
[10:00] <mdke> JaneW, http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnFormatting on your previous question
[10:00] <elmo> it's back
[10:00] <mdke> yay
[10:01] <elmo> janew: it's a wiki, you don't lose your changes if the website goes away temporarily
[10:01] <elmo> (the changes are in your browser only, until you hit save changes)
[10:01] <mdke> JaneW, pretty unlikely colours will work on the ubuntulinux.org/wiki tho
[10:01] <JaneW> mdke: oic, thanks
[10:02] <JaneW> mdke: I think I was looking there, got stuck in the 'parser' section
[10:02] <mdke> *grins*
[10:02] <elmo> ok, so now launchpad + authentication to the wiki / main website is going away for 10-15 mins.  sorry for the inconvenience
[10:02] <JaneW> elmo: you pest!
[10:02] <JaneW> ;)
[10:02] <mako> mdke: hey dude
[10:03] <elmo> JaneW: don't make me demonstrate my leet cross-continent menthos throwing skillz
[10:03] <JaneW> I dare you...
[10:06] <JaneW> night
[10:07] <JaneW> Riddell: don't do it!!!
[10:08] <JaneW> you're stronger than that... resist the temptation.
[10:08] <Riddell> mentos
[10:08] <Riddell> mmm, minty
[10:08] <JaneW> NOooooooo!
[10:08] <Riddell> really should have stolen more of these at the end of the conference, I've almost run out
[10:09] <JaneW> been rationing them severely though
[10:10] <mdke> oh hi mako
[10:10] <JaneW> ok cheers
[10:10] <mdke> mako, get my emails?
[10:10] <mako> mdke: i'm not caught up on canonical email today
[10:11] <mdke> oh right ok np
[10:11] <mako> or any other email actually
[10:11] <mdke> *laughs*
[10:11] <mdke> just about that gpg business
[10:16] <zyga> what's withe the mentos?


[02:47] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Hi, would you mind doing me a favor and nudging qapt/muon through queue? qapt is a translation-only update, and muon is a bugfix-only release that fixes a serious bug caused by a regression in KDE 4.6.2
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> (kde bug 270538)
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[04:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Wouldn't it be better to apply https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/repository/revisions/72cbad117d0abb4b47a5d00754ea465eda6c06b5/diff to kde4libs?
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> could do that, but the Finnish would probably also appreciate going from 0% to 98% translated, too.
[04:59] <JontheEchidna> and there is the case when Solid reports "unknown" correctly
[05:00] <JontheEchidna> applying the patch works too, though, and should probably be done anyway (I'll do that)
[05:00] <ScottK> OK.
[05:00] <ScottK> I'll review/accept that too.
[05:02] <JontheEchidna> hmm, kdelibs patches have long names these days
[05:02] <ScottK> Both accepted.
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> I'll pbuild this overnight and upload kde4libs tomorrow
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[05:06] <JontheEchidna> btw, is there a travel wiki for UDS like there was in previous years?
[06:56] <steveire> ScottK: Know of any other major annoyances with kdepim4.4/kde4.6?
[06:57] <steveire> I re-upgraded my kdepim to 4.6 on one computer and the migration didn't re-run. The state of migration is stored in a config file. Is it possible to remove that config file if someone downgrades or somwething?
[07:16] <steveire> The kdepim here is old: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental Is there a no-bullshit guide where I can learn how to update the package?
[07:29] <yofel> steveire: shadeslayer was working on new kdepim
[07:29] <steveire> I see.
[07:29] <steveire> ScottK: I'm looking at the grantlee package and I see "
[07:29] <steveire>   * Include missing grantlee_i18ntags.so and grantlee_mutabletags.so in
[07:29] <steveire>     libgrantlee-core0
[07:29] <steveire> "
[07:29] <steveire> Grantlee 0.1.7 shouldn't have either of those
[07:30] <steveire> Can I see the history of a package somehow, the patches etc?
[07:30] <yofel> apt-get changelog libgrantlee-core0
[07:31] <steveire> yofel: That shows me the same thing as the changelog file
[07:33] <yofel> well, all packages in the archive are available in bzr, so you could do 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu/grantlee' and look at the diffs
[07:34] <steveire> Ok, thanks
[07:37] <steveire> I know there's a bzr qt viz tool, but don't know its name
[07:40] <steveire> Ah, qbzr
[07:40] <steveire> qbzr
[07:40] <steveire> (damn focus -not-follows-mind)
[07:46] <steveire> bzr qlog is slooow
[08:02] <bambee> morning
[08:03] <yofel> morning bambee :)
[08:03] <bambee> ;)
[08:05]  * jussi prays and hopes displaysettigns doesnt die again - 1366x768 on a full hd monitor is killing me...
[08:18] <bambee> what's the best things to do in a dbus helper to inform the caller that an error occured  ? raise an exception or emit a dbus signal ?
[08:24] <apachelogger> mhhhh exceptions, the poor man's error prevention
[08:24] <apachelogger> bambee: dbus signal
[08:24] <apachelogger> how would an exception ever arrive?
[08:25] <apachelogger> + who ensure the caller understand the exception
[08:26] <bambee> apachelogger: the caller will shown the exception as a DBusException... hard to understand the kind of error... imo
[08:27] <apachelogger> ^^
[08:27] <bambee> ohh sorry you already said that o_O
[08:27]  * bambee needs a coffee
[08:27] <apachelogger> here is a suggestion: go into a local pub, grab someone who is not drunk and let them try your thingy with dbus exceptions
[08:27] <apachelogger> if they go :O, then don't use em :P
[08:28]  * apachelogger notes that they will go :O so it would be a pointless effort ^^
[08:28] <bambee> lol
[08:44] <steveire> apachelogger: Got a few minutes to help me learn to update a package?
[08:45] <steveire> I'm reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete but it's got a lot of content there.
[08:45] <steveire> I've downloaded the grantlee package (v0.1.7) and the new tarball (0.1.8) Now I need to update the package somehow I guess...
[08:47] <apachelogger> ah yeah, the monster that calls itself packaging guide ^^
[08:47] <apachelogger> steveire: dpkg-source -x grantlee_0.1.7-0ubuntu1.dsc or whatever it might be called
[08:47] <steveire> I'm sure updating this package can't be more than 5 steps. There's just a lot of stuff I don't need to do in the guide I think
[08:47] <apachelogger> and tar -xf 0.1.8
[08:47] <apachelogger> copy the debian dir from the old to the new folder
[08:48] <apachelogger> make sure the env vars DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL are set
[08:48] <apachelogger> email ought to be an email associated with your launchpad account (better yet: one associated with a gpg key ;))
[08:49] <steveire> Ok, done
[08:50] <apachelogger> then enter 0.1.8/debian
[08:50] <apachelogger> dch -v 0.1.8-0ubuntu1
[08:50] <apachelogger> that should popup vim or some editor with the changelog
[08:51] <apachelogger> version should be as above, the target series (i.e. youbuntoo version) probably needs changing for whatever you want to update
[08:51] <apachelogger> other than that the changelog should only say
[08:51] <apachelogger> New upstream release.
[08:51] <apachelogger> or some such
[08:51] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc will build the deb
[08:51] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage -S will build the source package
[08:52] <apachelogger> using pbuilder you can build the source package in a clean chroot setup (the ubuntu wiki page on pbuilder is more readable ^^)
[08:53]  * apachelogger just had an epiphany \\o/
[08:54] <steveire> apachelogger: Ok, there's also a patch that is not needed anymore
[08:54] <steveire> Which was backported to the package from git
[08:54] <steveire> Should I remove that?
[08:55] <apachelogger> quilt pop -a && quilt remove $NAMEOFPATCH
[08:55] <apachelogger> or maybe it was delete
[08:55] <apachelogger> naturally you would want to document the patch removal in the chanelog .... dch -a will append a new line to the current changelog and open an editor
[08:55] <steveire> stephen@chimera:~/Random/packages/grantlee-0.1.8/debian$ quilt pop -a && quilt remove debian-changes-0.1.7-0ubuntu3
[08:55] <steveire> No patch removed
[08:56] <apachelogger> oh, maybe grantlee is not quilt :O
[08:56] <apachelogger> ah
[08:56] <steveire> It uses quilt 3.0 apparently
[08:56] <apachelogger> steveire: you need to do that in the source dir
[08:56] <apachelogger> not debian
[08:57] <steveire> Still nothin' : http://dpaste.com/533475/
[08:59] <steveire>  quilt pop debian/patches/debian-changes-0.1.7-0ubuntu3
[08:59] <steveire> No patches in series
[09:04] <steveire> I'm not certain if this is progress: http://dpaste.com/533477/
[09:06] <yofel> it seems the package was patched by hand, now all patches are meshed together in the debian-changes file :S
[09:08] <yofel> steveire: even though that seems to be a 27k line file, try to remove the patch folder entirely and build without it
[09:09] <steveire> Ok. I think the patch was a mistake. I think I remember now from when it was made
[09:09] <yofel> the debian-changes is auto-created by dpkg if you patch a '3.0 (quilt)' package by hand
[09:10] <yofel> which you shouldn't do usually
[09:10] <steveire> Ok, so now do I need dpkg-buildpackage or pbuilder?
[09:10] <yofel> what do you want to do?
[09:11] <steveire> Update the package :)
[09:11] <steveire> I've used dpkg-buildpackage and it's building now
[09:11] <yofel> yes, but now... get the source package? build the binaries? testbuild it? ...
[09:12] <steveire> "build the binaries? testbuild it?" What's the difference?
[09:12] <yofel> if you're done I would run 'debuild -S' now to get the source package, you did update the changelog?
[09:12] <steveire> I did.
[09:12] <yofel> well, dpkg-buildpackage will build locally, pbuilder will build in chroot making sure the build-deps are all in place (and fail if some are missing)
[09:13] <yofel> so usually you would run debuild -S and then build it in pbuilder
[09:13] <steveire> What I've done so far is apt-get sourec tha package, wget the new tarball, mv it to use .orig.tar.gz, cp -R the debian dir, rm -rf patches, dch  a changelog entry, and dpkg-buildpackage
[09:15] <yofel> k, then you should have binary .debs in the folder one level higher. You can install those if you want to test them, if you want to upload the package anywhere you need a source package
[09:15] <yofel> debuild -S will create that
[09:15] <steveire> Ok, so I'll use debuild -S now and see what happens
[09:28] <steveire> yofel: Ok, I managed to run the debuild -S with my gpg key
[09:28] <steveire> Now I need to upload all the files?
[09:30] <yofel> depends where you want to  put them, if it's a PPA you can dput the .changes file
[09:30] <steveire> I guess that would be a start. Ultimately I want to get the update into ubuntu
[09:30] <yofel> you a ninja?
[09:30] <steveire> Nope
[09:31] <steveire> Do I dput the i386.changes or the source one?
[09:31] <yofel> well, you can put it into your own PPA too
[09:31] <yofel> the source one
[09:32] <yofel> it'll have to wait until oneiric anyway for ubuntu
[09:32] <steveire> I didn't tell it where to upload to. Where did it go?
[09:32] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/533481/
[09:33] <steveire> There might be a 0.1.9 by then anyway.
[09:33] <yofel> uh, the archive queue I guess, you'll probably get a rejection mail soon
[09:35] <steveire> Rejection because it tries to upload to ubuntu proper? How do I upload to my ppa instead?
[09:36] <yofel> dput ppa:steveire/ppa <changes>
[09:36] <yofel> or you can create yourself a ~/.dput.cf and set your own PPA up there and override the default, that's what I do
[09:37] <steveire> Ok, that seems to have worked.
[09:37] <steveire> Now I need to wait for the system to build that and it should appear in my ppa at some point?
[09:39] <yofel> yep
[09:39] <steveire> How do changes I make to the package get into the bzr repo? An automated system?
[09:40] <yofel> the bzr repos for the archive are automated, yes
[09:43] <steveire> Great. It's in my ppa now too
[09:43] <steveire> Along with a v 0.1.2 I must have made almost two years ago :)
[09:44] <steveire> Oh, 41 weeks ago only
[09:45] <steveire> Now on to the kdepim package :)
[09:47] <yofel> steveire: talk to shadeslayer about kdepim first
[09:48] <steveire> Doesn't hurt for me to try it out anyway.
[09:48] <steveire> shadeslayer: ping?
[09:50] <yofel> hm, might update grantlee in neon too while we're at it
[10:28] <steveire> Why is this telling me there's no orig.tar when there is a orig.tar.gz? Shouldn't it find that?
[10:28] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/533496/
[10:46] <Riddell> smarter_: the 4: is an epoch, it's incase you screw up your versioning and need to reset it (back in the day a debian packager called coolo did so apparantly)
[10:47] <Riddell> steveire rather
[10:47]  * smarter_ knew that already :p
[10:49] <debfx> heh, the changelog of kdelibs is fun: 971019-1 -> 1:Beta1.1-1 -> 2:980310-1
[10:50] <steveire> coolo is a suse guy I thought
[10:50] <steveire> Now at least
[10:52] <Riddell> steveire: did you get it building?
[10:52] <steveire> Yes
[10:52] <steveire> 80%
[10:52] <steveire> It's using icecream and everything
[10:53] <Riddell> fancy
[10:53] <steveire> I'm not building the beta5 though, I just created a tarball of master with git archive
[10:53] <Riddell> what version number did you use?
[10:54] <steveire> I noticed there is -mobile stuff in the packages too. Is that done with a separate build step?
[10:54] <steveire> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:54] <steveire> 4.5.95 didn't work for some reason
[10:54] <steveire> I'll get the official b5 tarball and rebuild. Just want to try it out with whatever first
[10:55] <steveire> And would need to coordinate with shadeslayer
[10:55] <Riddell> the 4.5.95 tars need a new strigi or something, I didn't quite follow the conclusion on the packagers thread
[10:55] <Riddell> current git shouldn't I think
[10:56] <Riddell> -mobile just gets built by default
[10:57] <steveire> There's a cmake flag that should be set when building for mobile. KDEPIM_MOBILE_UI
[10:58] <steveire> It makes some dialogs different
[10:58] <steveire> And they can't be co-installed
[10:59] <steveire> Something to keep in mind for kubuntu-mobile.
[11:00] <steveire> Same with kdepimlibs
[11:01] <steveire> Got a fail in my package:
[11:01] <steveire> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/kaddressbook-mobile.sh': No such file or directory
[11:01] <steveire> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/bin/kaddressbook-mobile.sh debian/kaddressbook-mobile//usr/bin/ returned exit code 1
[11:15] <Riddell> rbelem: where is the kubuntu-mobile-defaults-settings patch?
[11:43] <afiestas> Riddell: ScottK any news on the bluedevil exception?
[11:48] <debfx> afiestas: it's been accepted
[11:50] <afiestas> ue! thanks for the trust guys :)
[11:50] <afiestas> once I got the update, I will test like crazy to be sure taht everything is perfect :)
[12:10] <steveire> Riddell: Is that related to my issue?
[12:11] <Riddell> oh sorry steveire, didn't see your issue above
[12:12] <Riddell> if the file no longer exists then you can remove it from debian/kaddressbook-mobile.install
[12:12] <Riddell> if no mobile files are being made then you probably want to remove the kaddressbook-mobile package in debian/control
[12:13] <steveire> I removed debian/.changelog.swp and I seem to be doing a from scratch rebuild now
[12:13] <steveire> Will I have to do that again if I make more changes to debian/control?
[12:15] <steveire> The .sh files should exist...
[12:16] <Riddell> you can run  debuild -nc   to stop it doing a full rebuild
[12:16] <steveire> I'm currently running dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[12:16] <steveire> Should I not be?
[12:17] <steveire> I mean that's how I'm building the package
[12:17] <steveire> Should I use debuild instead?
[12:17] <Riddell> you can also run  dh_install --list-missing   to get it to check that the debian/*.install files have only files which exist and don't miss any
[12:17] <Riddell> debuild is the same as dpkg-buildpackage but with some extra checks (e.g. that all build-depends are installed), it's also shorter to type
[12:18] <steveire> debuild -help doesn't know about -nc
[12:19] <Riddell> that's because it gets passed through to dpkg-buildpackage
[12:19] <steveire> Ok, good to know
[12:32] <rbelem> Riddell, it is here lp:~rbelem/ubuntu/natty/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings/plasma-mobile-patches
[12:32] <rbelem> :-)
[12:43] <afiestas> debfx: I was wondering if there is a way of getting libbluedevil and bluedevil new packages, so I can start the testing
[12:45] <steveire> Riddell: I keep on getting errors about images that have been removed etc. Then I'm running debuild -nc, which first runs make && make install , then gets around to the next package error. Is there a shortcut?
[12:45] <steveire> A command that skips the make && make install?
[12:46] <debfx> afiestas: not yet, bluedevil is still being built
[12:46] <afiestas> can you ping me when they're done?
[12:48] <debfx> afiestas: yep, do you have i386 or amd64?
[12:48] <afiestas> amd64
[12:48] <debfx> ok
[12:49] <steveire> Why is there a notes mobile and a knotes mobile?
[12:49] <Riddell> steveire: dh_install --list-missing
[12:49] <Riddell> that will tell you if there are files which no longer exist in .install files
[12:49] <steveire> Ah, you told me that already :)
[12:49] <Riddell> and it's just a cycle of running that, editing the .install file and repeat
[12:50] <steveire> $ dh_install --list-missing
[12:50] <steveire> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/de/kontact-touch/manual/index.html': No such file or directory
[12:50] <steveire> Does that mean the docs aren't built?
[12:51] <Riddell> it means that german doc for kontact-touch isn't
[12:51] <steveire> I wonder why that's in the package. Is that normal?
[12:52] <steveire> The en version isn't either...
[12:52] <Riddell> who knows, you'd need to check the current build and see what upstream changed
[12:53] <steveire> dh_install: usr/share/kde4/apps/notes-mobile/BulkActionComponent.qml exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[12:54] <steveire> I get a tonne of those, but that file is in the notes-mobile.install
[12:54] <steveire> Maybe I need to debuild without -nc again
[13:09] <debfx> afiestas: you can download and manually install https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libbluedevil/1.9-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2485298/+files/libbluedevil1_1.9-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil/1.1-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2485294/+files/bluedevil_1.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[13:10] <afiestas> downloading
[13:17] <afiestas> debfx: so far, so good :)
[13:18] <afiestas> sharing files is working perfect, sending files too (the old version didn't scan), the wizard is freezeless
[13:18] <afiestas> I will do more tests after work, but everythign seems fine :)
[13:18] <afiestas> maybe you want to put the bluedevil 1.1 changelog in the release notes, Kubuntu is the first "major" distro to ship it
[13:20] <debfx> even before fedora? that's scary
[13:21] <afiestas> mmm not sure
[13:21] <afiestas> but I think so
[13:22] <ulysses> Fedora will be released in May
[13:24] <bambee> Riddell:  ping
[13:24] <afiestas> mm I could not find the version they're using
[13:26] <ulysses> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/applications/Bluedevil%20Audio%20Connect?_csrf_token=0a31d1c07fa6ca78137041e7e78301c1452e2df2
[13:28] <Riddell> hi bambee
[13:28] <bambee> hi
[13:28] <bambee> Riddell: userconfig should use an "apply" button , imho (it's integrated into kcm now and no longer runs as root)
[13:29] <Riddell> bambee: yes that would be good
[13:29] <bambee> until the user click on "apply" all changes are put into a buffer and are really applied when it clicks "apply"...
[13:30] <Riddell> bambee: what happens currently?
[13:31] <bambee> Riddell: currently when you click on "create a group" or  "create a user" a dialog is opened, then when the user clicks on "ok" (from the dialog) all changes are applied to the system
[13:34] <bambee> it's just an idea, also I am opened to suggestions ;)
[13:35] <Riddell> bambee: yes it would be better to have those applied later, that's consistent with the rest of system settings modules
[13:35] <Riddell> just more complex to programme :)
[13:35] <bambee> ok :)
[13:35] <bambee> Riddell: indeed
[13:39] <rbelem> Riddell, what "date added" means in cadidates section in Kubuntu/Meetings?
[13:39] <jussi> rbelem: the date you added your application to the wiki
[13:39] <rbelem> oh!
[13:39] <rbelem> thx jussi :-)
[13:39] <jussi> :)
[14:29] <Riddell> rbelem: in k-m-d-s why remove export KDEDIRS= ?
[14:30] <Riddell> in nodm config
[14:31] <Riddell> in share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop why remove Hidden=true ?
[14:40] <rbelem> Riddell, it is set in startkde when "mobile" parameter is passed to it
[14:41] <rbelem> Riddell, the Hidden=true... I just make it more similar to plasma-desktop.desktop from plasma-desktop
[14:41] <rbelem> :-D
[14:41] <Riddell> rbelem: so does X-KDE-autostart-phase=0 stop it from being started?
[14:42] <rbelem> Riddell, it starts even with this set to 0
[14:44] <Riddell> rbelem: so now plasma-desktop will start when running mobile?
[14:45] <rbelem> Riddell, that's not my intention
[14:46] <rbelem> Riddell, i copyed from http://paste.ubuntu.com/596034/
[14:46] <rbelem> Riddell, should it continue with BaseDesktop there?
[14:46] <bambee> debfx:  once the patch for language-selector is accepted by the security team, can I package it ? (for maverick and natty)
[14:47] <Riddell> rbelem: the purpose of the /usr/share/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop file is to set hidden=true and to stop plasma-desktop from starting if you are running kubuntu mobile
[14:48] <Riddell> rbelem: what do you mean "continue with BaseDesktop"?
[14:48] <bambee> debfx: or do you prefer do it yourself ?
[14:49] <rbelem> Riddell, i changed to 0, but i must change it back to BaseDesktop
[14:49] <Riddell> rbelem: well it doesn't matter, what matters is settings hidden=true to stop plasma-desktop running at all
[14:49] <rbelem> ok
[14:51] <rbelem> Riddell, i thought that we have to move /usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop to something like /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
[14:51] <debfx> bambee: I think pitti is already taking care of it
[14:51] <rbelem> Riddell, i was about to file a bug for that
[14:52] <bambee> debfx: ok
[14:52] <bambee> np:)
[14:52] <Riddell> rbelem: no it gets overridden by the plasma-desktop.desktop from k-m-d-s when we set KDEDIRS
[14:53] <Riddell> rbelem: uploading with that change
[14:53] <rbelem> Riddell, nice :-)
[14:53] <rbelem> Riddell, thx for the clarification
[15:32] <debfx> Riddell: I've uploaded kdemultimedia with some important kmix fixes
[15:50] <Riddell> debfx: great, thanks
[15:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: phonon-backend-gstreamer 4.5.0 breaks codec install
[15:52] <ScottK> afiestas: Looks like it's in now.  I don't see it in the queue.
[15:54] <ScottK> steveire: Kontact 4.4 with KDE 4.6 seems to be working well for me, but I don't use but a small fraction of what's in PIM.
[15:57] <steveire> Right. I'm moving my focus to 4.6 issues now I think
[16:02] <afiestas> ScottK: thx
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: in what way?
[16:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: kpackagekit pops up then says it can't find any package
[16:04] <apachelogger> tdfischer said he tested it on kubuntu *shrug*
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: guess it is not much of an option for natty then
[16:07] <Riddell> nixternal: yay, thanks for uploading docs
[16:30] <rgreening> OMG: icedtea-plugin requires FF? But I want only Chromium.. grr...
[16:47] <jussi> yeah know, I wish there was a flag in apt so you got prompted to install reccommends and suggests 1 by one.
[16:52] <kishore> in kubuntu natty is it possible to set / a btrfs subvolume and /home to another subvolume?
[16:56] <Riddell> debfx: livefs's failed today because of a problem in plymouth kubuntu theme
[16:56] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/13679/
[16:57] <Riddell> kishore: dunno, we just package KDE, try #ubuntu+1
[16:57] <debfx> probably caused by calling update-grub2
[16:58] <kishore> Riddell: Sorry, i thought the installer was kubuntu specific. :)
[16:59] <Riddell> debfx: shall I add a check for /dev being mounted?
[17:00] <debfx> Riddell: memtest86+ checks if /boot/grub/grub.cfg exists, we should probably do the same
[17:01] <debfx> I'll add the check
[17:02] <nixternal> Riddell: no prob, glad i could be of some assistance
[17:03] <Riddell> steveire: I just had an e-mail asking about packaging kdepim 4.6 beta 5, how's it going?
[17:04] <steveire> Riddell: I had to remove a bunch of images and .sh files that were removed since February, but it did build the package.
[17:05] <steveire> Although mine is just a trunk snapshot.
[17:05] <steveire> Should I get the b5 package from kde.org to do it properly?
[17:07] <steveire> From here? ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kdepim/4.5.95/
[17:08] <steveire> How can I see a diff of the changes I've made?
[17:10] <Riddell> steveire: debdiff <old.dsc> <new.dsc>
[17:10] <Riddell> actually that'll diff the upstreams too which isn't usually useful
[17:10] <Riddell> so just diff -urN the debian directories
[17:11] <Riddell> steveire: I'm not sure the 4.5.95 on ktown is useful, it needs a trunk strigi which we don't have
[17:11] <Riddell> so probably a snapshot is better
[17:11] <Riddell> steveire: so if you have working packages, would be good to get those into the expeirmental ppa I think
[17:15] <steveire> You mean just kdepim-4.5.95/debian$ diff -u . ../../kdepim-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/
[17:15] <steveire>  ?
[17:18] <steveire> http://dpaste.org/SKuO/ There seems to be a lot of noise.
[17:20] <Riddell> steveire: preferably the other way round, old to new
[17:20] <Riddell> build the source package to get rid of the noise
[17:20] <Riddell> debuild -S
[17:21] <debfx> Riddell: uploaded
[17:21] <Riddell> debfx: k-d-s?  not in bzr yet?
[17:22] <debfx> Riddell: yes, now also in bzr
[17:23] <steveire> I have only now tried to build the kdepim-runtime package, and it complains about a patch not applying.
[17:24] <Riddell> lovely, thanks debfx
[17:25] <Riddell> steveire: look at the patch, work out if it's still needed or not
[17:25] <Riddell> if not remove it and the entry in debian/patches/series
[17:25] <Riddell> if so then  quilt push -f  to force it to apply, edit the files to fix them, quilt refresh   to update the patch
[17:26] <steveire> It's odd. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=596908
[17:26] <steveire> We've never seen that issue and we parallel build all the time
[17:27] <c2tarun> Riddell: are there any bugs posted about network-manager freezing on trying to connect wifi connection.
[17:28] <Riddell> c2tarun: I've no idea
[17:28]  * c2tarun looked but couldnt find this time.
[17:29] <c2tarun> Riddell: bug 734008
[17:29] <c2tarun> Riddell: I am facing this bug, and I am not able to update since last 4 days
[17:29] <steveire> :q
[17:36] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping, you got the link I just posted.
[17:36] <c2tarun> Riddell: bug 734008
[17:41] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[17:42] <c2tarun> Riddell: can you do anything for this bug?
[17:44] <steveire> Riddell: Applying upstream and removing from the package
[17:57] <shadeslayer> steveire: hey, i have the kdepim package built on yofel's  server
[17:57] <shadeslayer> steveire: but there are *alot* of missing docs
[17:57] <shadeslayer> and localization and what not
[17:57] <steveire> What kind of docs?
[17:58] <steveire> You're looking for translations?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> steveire: http://paste.ubuntu.com/595590/
[17:58] <shadeslayer> i looked into a few of those and they turned out to be false positives
[17:58] <shadeslayer> oh and i've already uploaded kdepim runtime 4.5.95 into ninjas
[17:59] <steveire> Ok cool
[18:00] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Just be really careful to make sure you upload to experimental when you make it public.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> yep i remember :)
[18:00] <shadeslayer> steveire: did you build kdepim too?
[18:00] <steveire> Yep
[18:01] <steveire> shadeslayer: What did you do about the patch in runtime? Rebase it?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> steveire: oh, did you get the missing files too i guess then :P
[18:01] <steveire> What about the strigi trunk dep? Are you packaging the beta?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> steveire: i refreshed a patch iirc
[18:01] <shadeslayer> steveire: it built fine without it
[18:01] <steveire> I've applied the patch upstream anyway, even though we haven't seen the issue
[18:01] <shadeslayer> ah okay :)
[18:02] <steveire> Are you packaging the beta or git master?
[18:02] <shadeslayer> uhm.. neither right now, do you want me to?
[18:02] <steveire> I thought you said you had packaged kdepim-runtime?
[18:05] <steveire> shadeslayer: When you say missing files are you talking about the images and .sh files in kdepim?
[18:05] <steveire> You also need to remove knotes-mobile.install. Only notes-mobile.install is needed.
[18:08] <shadeslayer> steveire: yes, and kdepim-runtime didn't need the newer strigi
[18:08] <steveire> I'm going for some dinner. Catch you later
[18:08] <shadeslayer> steveire: yes and also look at the pastebin i showed you :)
[18:09] <shadeslayer> steveire: cya
[18:11] <shadeslayer> i actually need help with a bit of scripting ... hmm
[18:22] <rbelem> GrueMaster, ping
[18:22] <GrueMaster> sup?
[18:23] <rbelem> GrueMaster, the kubuntu-mobile-default-settings with the fix is already in the repos :-)
[18:24] <GrueMaster> Ok.  I'll try to test it this week.  Kinda busy with release preparation for ubuntu-arm stuff.
[18:25] <rbelem> GrueMaster, np :-)
[18:30] <shadeslayer> steveire: okay, need to sort this mess out, do we create a seprate package for each and every language in the docs? or keep one big package?
[18:32] <shadeslayer> uhm
[18:32] <shadeslayer> is anyone packaging the new webkit release?
[18:33] <shadeslayer> QtWebKit 2.1 was released a couple of hours ago i think
[18:34] <shadeslayer> 2.1~really2.0.2-0ubuntu1 << old
[18:35] <shadeslayer> "Please note that the QtWebKit-2.1 series is considered "internal" and is not officially supported on desktop platforms, even though it's  relatively stable and is being used by developers and testers for a while, specially on Linux."
[18:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell ^^ I guess we shouldn't package it then
[18:36] <shadeslayer> Also says that we may prefer to wait for QtWebKit 2.2
[18:36] <ScottK> IIRC it's only officially supported on symbian.
[18:36] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:36] <ScottK> Which is why we don't have it.
[18:36] <ScottK> If there's a bugfix to cherry pick from it, that we could consider.
[18:37] <shadeslayer> okay, just confirming, because some of the rekonq issues like where rekonq can't click on links when you go back stem from us having a older webkit i believe
[18:39] <ScottK> Could that be rephrased as rekonq depending on an unsupported webkit or as bugs that are open in the one we have?
[18:39] <apachelogger> ^^
[18:40] <shadeslayer> latter i believe
[18:40] <shadeslayer> because andrea has QtWebKit compiled from master and they work fine for him
[18:41] <shadeslayer> oh and the safari.jsp bug is a server side bug, Safari has it too
[18:53] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[18:54] <apachelogger> c2tarun: pogo
[18:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: syn
[18:54] <c2tarun> apachelogger: I was looking at log of your last classroom session. In demo.pro I found this line QT       += core gui phonon can you please tell what does it mean and how is it different with QT += phonon
[18:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whut?
[18:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: rst
[18:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: syn
[18:55] <shadeslayer> rst
[18:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: syn
[18:55] <apachelogger> c2tarun: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qmake-variable-reference.html#qt
[18:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rst
[18:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: syn
[18:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rst
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ( blame the lag )
[18:57] <apachelogger> clearly shadeslayer doesn't wana talk to me :/
[18:57] <shadeslayer> eet iz the lag
[18:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm tethered to my phone, so loads of lag on EDGE
[18:58] <apachelogger> you and your excuses
[18:58] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[18:59] <c2tarun> apachelogger: if we replace "core gui phonon" with just phonon then I was getting error "Phonon/AudioOutput: No such file or directory". That is weird because by phonon we mean phonon multimedia framework it has nothing to do with core and gui.
[18:59] <apachelogger> 2.84 gib
[18:59] <apachelogger> and all that for phonon testing
[18:59]  * apachelogger must be the nicest maintainer evar
[19:00] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:00] <apachelogger> c2tarun: don't replace it then
[19:00] <c2tarun> apachelogger: but I am not able to understand why we need core and gui to avoid that phonon error
[19:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i find python to be bearable for now, i mean i can get some prototyping done quickly
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what did you talk about at App dev week?
[19:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: .prn I believe
[19:02] <apachelogger> cant remember
[19:02] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:02] <shadeslayer> ofcourse
[19:02] <apachelogger> I only remember that a certain kubuntu dev from india didn't do any talk whatsoever
[19:02] <apachelogger> c2tarun: *shrug*
[19:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ruby is better for prototyping
[19:03] <apachelogger> as you can copy code from your filez to the irb for testing
[19:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you can do that with python too
[19:03] <apachelogger> making the whole process more efficient
[19:03] <apachelogger> no you cannot
[19:03] <shadeslayer> they have the python interpreter
[19:03] <apachelogger> you will get errors
[19:03] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[19:03] <apachelogger> DO YOU WANNA FCK WITH ME INDENTS
[19:03] <apachelogger> it says
[19:03] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[19:03] <shadeslayer> true that
[19:03] <apachelogger> and you go "scru u"
[19:03] <apachelogger> and it goes "I SHALL NOT LET YOU LEAVE UNLESS YOU SEND EOF!!!!!"
[19:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://github.com/GeneralMaximus/amazing-horse << go have fun with that
[19:03] <apachelogger> and you go "scru u"
[19:04] <apachelogger> eventually someone will kill the other
[19:04] <apachelogger> it is a dangerous thing to play with the pyth0rnz shell
[19:04] <shadeslayer> yeah i go to know that recently
[19:04]  * shadeslayer was screwing indents over and over
[19:04] <apachelogger> hence irb > python
[19:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if anything, python teaches yous indenting
[19:05] <apachelogger> nono
[19:05] <apachelogger> whitespace does that :P
[19:05]  * shadeslayer read that as mono
[19:05] <apachelogger> python is whitespace for windows haxx0rs
[19:05] <apachelogger> the ones that come after you with sub7 or whatever that thing was called
[19:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://gist.github.com/924980 <<
[19:06] <shadeslayer> sub what?
[19:06] <apachelogger> some trojan thing
[19:06] <apachelogger> talking about amazing horses :P
[19:06] <shadeslayer> ah :P
[19:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are a leet programmer. ... you make the servers in only 36 sloc
[19:07] <apachelogger> you should be doing talks at the youbuntoo something something weeks
[19:07] <apachelogger> your code formatting is all fished out though :P
[19:07] <apachelogger>   listen(sockid, 1);
[19:07] <apachelogger>   retval = accept( sockid, NULL, NULL );
[19:07] <apachelogger>   while( read( retval, &c, 1)){m
[19:07] <apachelogger> I call this the random whitespace paradigm
[19:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we are supposed to complete that in 2 hours ..
[19:08] <apachelogger> to apply it one must make random whitespaces
[19:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i call it "what happens when you telnet into a redhat server from a windows machine"
[19:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is that already completed there?
[19:08] <apachelogger> cause it does not look like 2hrs of work :P
[19:08] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:08] <shadeslayer> it's not
[19:08] <apachelogger> kk
[19:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i spend 1h 45 mins figuring how to make telnet work with windows
[19:09]  * apachelogger was worrid about his work estimations for his programming exercise
[19:09] <ScottK> Why telnet?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> oh and telnet does not play nice with emacs/vim
[19:09] <ScottK> It's extremely obsolete for logging into stuff.
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: because my teachers have never worked with ssh
[19:09] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: cause shadeslayer must work with old shit all the time
[19:09] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:09] <aroman> hey everyone. can anyone tell me a little about/point me to somewhere I can learn about how Kubuntu takes Ubuntu and turns it into Kubuntu?
[19:10] <ScottK> What century is your sub-continent in?
[19:10]  * apachelogger notes that doing ssh is quite the work
[19:11] <apachelogger> aroman: there is nothing to take, Kubuntu is part of Ubuntu
[19:11] <aroman> apachelogger: what I mean is the process by which an Ubuntu image becomes a Kubuntu imge
[19:11] <aroman> image*
[19:12] <apachelogger> same as ubuntu
[19:12] <apachelogger> which last I checked was not documented
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apachelogger not to mention i have to work around the Proxy server our college has put in
[19:12] <apachelogger> basically it is a bazillion scripts
[19:12] <aroman> apachelogger: that's what I'm looking for :)
[19:12] <apachelogger> most importantly debian-cd and ubuntu-cd (or something named pretty much like that)
[19:12] <shadeslayer> and everything just keeps moving around, so i have no definite computer to call my own, so i have to repeat the whole thing every Monday
[19:13] <apachelogger> ScottK, shadeslayer: in posh austria we even have courses to feast upon the incredible awesomeness of legacy useless plunder
[19:13] <ScottK> ;-)
[19:13] <apachelogger> fortran ftw!
[19:14] <apachelogger> actually we also have our encounters with esoteric stuff like intercal and brainfck
[19:14] <apachelogger> PLEASE :D
[19:14] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:15] <apachelogger> the only reason INTERCAL is awesome is because of PLEASE
[19:16] <apachelogger> everything else is only considerd funny by nerds
[19:28] <bambee> kernel hacking and posix programming ftw!
[19:30] <ScottK> ForTran is great.  It was my second programming language.
[19:31] <ScottK> Maybe third.
[19:31] <ScottK> I don't remember if the ForTran coure or the COBOL course was first.
[19:31] <ScottK> I think it was ForTran though.
[19:57] <ScottK> John the Taco said he was going to update kde4libs after testing today.  I wonder if his absence is a bad sign for the patch?
[19:58] <debfx> what patch?
[20:11] <ScottK> I was kidding about that being the reason.  The patch is in http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270538
[20:11] <ScottK> It's a 4.6.3 cherrypick.
[20:45] <ScottK> steveire: I did run across one issue that might be pim 4.4 on 4.6.  It seems Akregator can't remember it's storage backend.
[21:58] <sheytan> Riddell hey!
[22:14] <bambee> night
[22:26] <desaparecido> hi, I have 11.04 installed 64bits and flashplugin don't work in my browser.  It's a recently bug?