[00:00] <Sarvatt> kklimonda: updated lbm-nouveau uploading now that should fix it
[00:00] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/linux-2.6/commit/?id=53293422072043e897c2d755d4139b5e4d5532de
[00:00] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Have you made it conflict/replaces nouveau-kernel-source?
[00:01] <Sarvatt> nope, will do that next upload, working on libdrm/ddx now and libdrm is a pain in the butt
[00:02] <RAOF> *Another* update to nouveau_class.h?
[00:02] <RAOF> Bah.
[00:02] <Sarvatt> yeah they do this all the darn time, part of the reason i was so skeptical about nouveau in lucid
[00:03] <RAOF> But they haven't updated the DDX for those changes; does the DDX not use them at all?
[00:05] <Sarvatt> think its just mesa that needs the updated nouveau_class.h for now
[00:06] <Sarvatt> they added texture_from_pixmap to nouveau_vieux to have texture_from_pixmap and stuff a few hours ago
[00:06] <Sarvatt> err, ignore the bad english :)
[00:07] <RAOF> Ah.
[00:08] <Sarvatt> the nv50 stuff just looks like formatting changes and new defines instead of changed values? I dont know
[00:08] <Sarvatt> guess we'll see if it builds
[00:09] <Sarvatt> guess i should hold off just incase it needs updating huh? :D
[00:10] <Sarvatt> libdrm is *such* a pain to update, dont mind holding off :)
[00:10] <RAOF> :)
[00:14] <Sarvatt> maybe the kernel guys should just bring nouveau in from upstream instead of linus since its 2.6.32 based and could go right in the kernel without backporting all of drm, that way nouveau would just be the only sketchy thing :)
[00:24] <RAOF> It's not really 2.6.32-based, though.
[00:24] <RAOF> It's 2.6.32+drm-next
[00:25] <RAOF> IE: It's basically 2.6.33's drm stack (and, soon, is likely to be 2.6.34-rc1's drm stack).
[00:42] <superm1> hmm umm is there any known scenarios that nouveau freezes and next time you try to boot the machine is hung before the BIOS screen...?
[00:44] <superm1> just a flashing volume LED, no POST no nothing...
[00:45] <RAOF> It would be theoretically possible for nouveau to do that, I think.  I've never experienced it, though.
[00:45] <RAOF> You've powered-off, rather than warm-rebooted?
[00:45] <superm1> unplugged, and removed battery
[00:45] <superm1> i was just using the machine all day today with a 9.10 install no problems and was trying out the today's 10.04 daily
[00:46] <RAOF> I don't know; I've never run into anything like that.  I'd give raising this in #nouveau a whirl.
[00:48] <superm1> * #nouveau :Cannot send to channel
[00:48] <superm1> is there something special to do to be allowed to talk there?
[00:48] <RAOF> Are you registered with nickserv?
[00:49] <superm1> i must have lost my registration during a netsplit or something
[00:55] <Sarvatt> wow, that would be insane
[00:56] <Sarvatt> can you blind flash whatever model you're using? alot of people had that happen with the shipping bios on these aspire ones but luckily we can blind flash these to fix it
[00:57] <Sarvatt> maybe try pulling power/battery and holding the power button for a few minutes and trying again?
[00:57] <RAOF> Looks like darktama's on it in #nouveau.
[01:01] <superm1> Sarvatt, flashing unfortunately requires it to be booted on these, and only from DOS binaries
[01:04] <Sarvatt> no hidden key combo to bypass it and flash? i think its function+escape in most insyde bioses
[01:04] <superm1> if it at least POSTed maybe, but it's definitely hung on boot when trying to POST - the backlit keyboard doesn't even turn off
[01:04] <superm1> which is normally BIOS controlled
[01:05] <Sarvatt> function+escape, press power, wait a few seconds and release function+escape and the power light blinks
[01:05] <Sarvatt> when mine crashes i dont get POST or anything and it still has a recovery blind flash you can do at least
[01:06] <superm1> same behaviors when i'm trying that
[01:06] <Sarvatt> does it through the insyde efi internal stuff instead of the bios emulation layer or something
[01:06] <Sarvatt> oh that means it should work
[01:06] <superm1> no i mean same behaviors as what i was seeing before
[01:06] <superm1> flashing volume LEDs, frozen backlit keyboard no POST
[01:07] <Sarvatt> need a usb stick formatted fat, with the bios named whatever.FD on it
[01:07] <Sarvatt> oh ok
[01:07] <superm1> well i'm not sure i want to sacrifice another laptop like this to try'n fetch the X log
[03:46] <Sarvatt> RAOF: forgot to attach the debdiff?
[03:46] <RAOF> To the lbm bug?  No.  Just filing first, so I can close it in the changelog :P
[03:47] <RAOF> Do we currently have somewhere to publish that for ctxprog testing?  I don't have any cards new enough to need it.
[03:47] <Sarvatt> The attached debdiff pulls the nouveau changes from 2.6.33-rc7 to 2.6.33
[03:47] <Sarvatt> :P
[03:47] <Sarvatt> maybe x-updates?
[03:47] <RAOF> It's attached now :P
[03:47] <Sarvatt> or delete all of xorg-edgers/nouveau and just put that in there
[03:48] <Sarvatt> kklimonda had problems with just the ctxprogs generator :(
[03:48] <Sarvatt> there was another fix in upstream git for it
[03:48] <RAOF> Was that with the fix?
[03:48] <RAOF> Right; that's in the debdiff, too.
[03:48] <Sarvatt> i'm  not sure if that fixed it for them though
[03:48] <RAOF> That's what I was thinking, but I think bryceh has disabled xorg-edgers/nouveau?
[03:49] <Sarvatt> ya should be able to reenable it
[03:50] <Sarvatt> only me and tormod are admins so i think anyone can
[03:50] <Sarvatt> done
[03:54] <RAOF> And are you subscribed to lbm in lucid, or something? :)
[03:57] <Sarvatt> nope, I was just looking into joining bug-control and saw the bug rss feed link, yours was the first one on the list :)
[03:57] <RAOF> Hah.
[03:59] <Sarvatt> Posts per week: 1,537.2
[03:59] <Sarvatt> sheeeesh
[03:59] <Sarvatt> i thought ubuntu-x-swat was bad :)
[04:02] <Sarvatt> http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-drv-nouveau/nouveau-bgnr.patch?view=markup
[04:02] <Sarvatt> yoink
[04:03] <RAOF> Ah.  We want that for plymouth, don't we.
[04:04] <Sarvatt> we have 189_xserver_1.5.0_bg_none_root.patch in xserver but none of the ddx specific patches enabling it there
[04:05] <Sarvatt> looks like its being used too /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-j5c54J/database -nolisten tcp vt7
[04:07] <Sarvatt> (the -nr option)
[04:08] <Sarvatt> http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-drv-intel/copy-fb.patch?view=markup
[04:08] <Sarvatt> intel version
[04:10] <Sarvatt> well thats for 2.10, 2.9.1 version is http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-drv-intel/copy-fb.patch?revision=1.9&view=markup
[04:17] <Sarvatt> ah we've got the intel one in the lucid package, explains why i lost the smooth transition when i switched to edgers :)
[04:17] <Sarvatt> gotta add that nouveau one though
[04:18] <Sarvatt> imagine theres a radeon one we need to pick up too
[04:18] <RAOF> It looks pretty simple.
[04:22] <Sarvatt> the smooth transition  looks really nice, leaves the logo on the screen while the panel loads and stuff
[04:23] <Sarvatt> not just a jerky 1 second ubuntu splash to  a black screen like it is without it
[04:27] <Sarvatt> uploading a new nouveau snapshot on edgers with that patch
[04:28] <RAOF> Huzzah.
[04:35] <Sarvatt> there's radeon's patch -  http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-drv-ati/radeon-6.9.0-bgnr-enable.patch?view=markup
[04:48] <Sarvatt> ahhh looks MUCH better now
[04:49] <Sarvatt> i didnt understand the point of a 1 second splash screen but its nice with these ddx patches at least
[04:51] <RAOF> I've also applied that to nouveau in pkg-xorg git.
[04:52] <Sarvatt> woot just need to see if radeon has the patch or not now
[04:54] <Sarvatt> btw found a api 0.0.16 patch for 2.6.33, might use that on top of linus' for nouveau http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/kernel/drm-nouveau-abi16.patch?view=markup
[04:55] <Sarvatt> all kinds of crack in fedora cvs
[04:57] <tjaalton> bryceh: doesn't bzr hate you just as much when you forget to do 'bzr extmerge --all' or something?-)
[05:20] <Sarvatt> fbdev bgnr patch, that'd help out arm - http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-drv-fbdev/BGNoneRoot.patch?view=markup
[05:37] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/xserver-xorg-video-fbdev_0.4.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[08:21] <toabctl> hi
[08:54] <bryceh> tjaalton, haven't found bzr hating me so far
[08:58] <tjaalton> bryceh: just because you haven't done any merges like that with it :)
[08:58] <tjaalton> no tool does that automatically
[15:42] <tjaalton> bryceh: bh.org:8080 fails to connect
[17:58] <bryceh> tjaalton: yeah I'm in the middle of a hardy->lucid upgrade and it's an old machine so it's hit a variety of glitches
[18:02] <tjaalton> bryceh: heh, ok. I'm doing karmic->lucid on my home desktop, though it still needs more space on /
[18:02] <tjaalton> it's a 500GB disk and root has 11GB.. how wise was that?
[18:03] <bryceh> /dev/sda4              13G   11G  2.1G  83% /
[18:03] <bryceh> I wasn't much smarter tjaalton
[18:04] <bryceh> but it's just a webserver so I've been able to just uninstall stuff to get it down
[18:16] <bjsnider> there aren't any remaining issues with jockey being able to activate the nvidia driver are there?
[18:19] <bryceh> bjsnider, probably will always be some issues, but at the moment I believe we believe it should work properly
[18:19] <bjsnider> cool
[18:20] <bjsnider> the +1 channel is choked with people complaining about it, but i think it's where they upgraded from that's the problem
[18:20] <bryceh> ah, are they mostly upgrading from self-installed nvidia's?
[18:20] <bjsnider> good question. i'm guess they were using the nvidia installer
[18:21] <bryceh> tseliot has been looking to these kinds of bugs so he might want to look into it
[18:29] <superm1> bryceh, tseliot perhaps a good solution is to have update-manager attempt to detect a situation that the nvidia installer has been manually ran just like the packages do, and block the upgrade until it's removed
[18:33] <bjsnider> superm1, what if the user does not know how to remove it?
[18:38] <Sarvatt> we should probably have nvidia-current packages conflict with -190 and -195 even though they were never in ubuntu since alot of people used PPAs
[18:54] <Sarvatt> how about a preinst script for nvidia that tries to find a nvidia-installer binary, and calls it with nvidia-installer --uninstall before?
[18:56] <Sarvatt> or just wont install if it exists since it's only there if the blob has been manually installed as far as I can see
[19:09] <mvo> superm1: if someone gives me instructions what to look for I'm happy to implement that
[19:09] <apw> RAOF, about?
[19:18] <Sarvatt> jcristau: \o/ \o/ \o/ THANK YOU! :)
[19:18] <Sarvatt> for the patch on dri-devel
[19:20] <Sarvatt> moving libdrm headers to /usr/include/libdrm will be so much better
[19:29] <superm1> tseliot, can you provide mvo that information?
[19:35] <Sarvatt> I think you could check for /usr/bin/nvidia-bugreport.sh
[19:35] <Sarvatt> i see that in the extracted .run but its not installed in the package
[19:36] <tjaalton> instead of nvidia-bug-report.sh, which was installed by the deb?
[19:38] <Sarvatt> ah darn yeah its in /usr/lib/nvidia-current/bin/ in the deb
[19:39] <Sarvatt> tls-test isnt in the deb though
[19:39] <tjaalton> /usr/bin/nvidia-bug-report.sh in karmic
[19:39] <tjaalton> but that's 185
[19:39] <bryceh> tjaalton, btw bh.org back online.  upgrade complete.
[19:40] <Sarvatt> --slave /usr/bin/nvidia-bug-report.sh nvidia_bug_report /usr/lib/nvidia-current/bin/nvidia-bug-report.sh \
[19:41] <tjaalton> bryceh: ah, good
[19:42] <Sarvatt> /usr/bin/tls-test isnt installed in the nvidia-current package though, no clue if its installed manually but its in usr/bin/ in the extracted blob
[19:43] <Sarvatt> /usr/lib/libGL.la?
[20:36] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nouveau-kernel-source/+bug/528683
[20:46] <Sarvatt> wish i could set wontfix, closing out a crapload of nouveau-kernel-source lucid bugs
[20:47] <johanbr> superm1, any luck with your half-dead laptop?
[20:58] <superm1> johanbr, yes it's back to life per some comments in #nouveau, but it certainly freezes on any lucid boot now, and is broken again
[21:02] <Sarvatt> the new lbm-nouveau that just got uploaded should help you superm1
[21:02] <superm1> Sarvatt, okay i'll wait until a new daily image to try again
[21:13] <Sarvatt> it still might be iffy, the chipset generation you have is one of the sketchier ones with the ctxprog generator and you might need to boot with lbm-nouveau.noaccel=1 manually from tomorrows livecd
[21:16] <Sarvatt> bryceh: if we're sticking to 2.9.1 shouldnt we stop passing --enable-kms-only for intel? so these 8xx people can boot with UMS
[21:17] <Sarvatt> actually, i'm wondering if these people saying booting with i915.modeset=0 on 8xx are actually using vesa when they say it works that way because of that
[21:17] <Sarvatt> saying that works I mean
[21:18] <Sarvatt> because if thats the case it changes my opinion on the 2.9.1/2.10 debate :)
[21:27] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yep, it's on my todo list to reverse that
[21:28] <bryceh> who is saying that modeset=0 works for them?  I agree it'd be good to look at their xorg.0.log
[21:29] <Sarvatt> that blog you linked the other day for one, i dont have any specific bug #'s handy but i'll keep an eye open when i see another next
[21:31] <Sarvatt> because if it works with modeset=0 and they are using vesa that way because of the intel configure flag just moving them to vesa + modeset=0 or fbdev on top of KMS with intel 2.10 might be better. reverting that configure flag might break things again since they'd be using UMS intel instead
[21:33] <bryceh> mm true
[21:33] <bryceh> still, I think it's a good strategy for us
[21:38] <superm1> bryceh, recently cjwatson removed xforcevesa from the daily's afaik.  if new nvidia hardware is gonna be iffy with nouveau, i think it'll be important to still have that as an option
[21:38] <superm1> although i guess the nouveau kernel module is still gonna load with that isn't it..
[21:39] <superm1> so still potential to break
[21:39] <bryceh> superm1, yeah
[21:39] <superm1> so perhaps xforcevesa should still live on, but blacklist intel/radeon/nouveau?
[21:40] <bryceh> superm1, on the plus side, failsafex now uses fbdev properly with kms (and I even tested it on nouveau), but I think that kicks in only for X breakage.  If something is wrong at the KMS layer, I'm not sure it'll help
[21:40] <bryceh> superm1, sounds like something we need to chat with sconklin and apw about
[21:41] <bryceh> superm1, along with that is the need for enabling users to override the mode detection such as if a KVM is blocking edid (as per discussion on kernel list the other day)
[21:41] <superm1> bryceh, yup
[21:41] <superm1> well once things are declared more "stable", the QA folks should try on newer hardware and see if the need is really still there too
[21:42] <bryceh> superm1, would you mind writing this up as a bug report to the kernel?  I'll +1 it and bump up priorities for it with apw/sconklin
[21:42] <Sarvatt> video=blah doesnt work for whoever had that problem bryceh?
[21:42] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I've heard it didn't; I've not tested that myself so dunno if that is a general solution to this or not
[21:43] <bryceh> you tested it yet?
[21:43] <Sarvatt> yeah it works here but i only played with it with a console boot
[21:46] <Sarvatt> so a kernel command line option that launches a failsafe X would work right? is that all xforcevesa did before?
[21:48] <Sarvatt> oh spiffy, you got the fbdev + kms stuff working in failsafeX bryce? gotta try that out
[21:54] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[21:58] <tjaalton> superm1: xforcevesa hasn't been useful since we stopped using dexconf
[21:58] <tjaalton> ie. it did nothing aiui
[21:58] <superm1> tjaalton, not true, please see casper bzr
[21:58] <tjaalton> not without a link :)
[21:59] <superm1> lp:ubuntu/casper/lucid
[21:59] <superm1> it's in casper-bottom
[21:59] <tjaalton> a browser link
[21:59] <superm1> 20xconfig
[22:00] <tjaalton> bah, don't bother :)
[22:00] <tjaalton> trust your word on it
[22:07] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah failsafeX should be good to go with KMS now
[22:07] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I'm not sure that xforcevesa made failsafex launch, or just make the system boot with vesa
[22:08] <bryceh> if the latter, then maybe what's needed is something to force fbdev?
[22:08] <bryceh> s/make/made/
[22:09] <bryceh> (I builk software too much)
[22:09] <bryceh> Sarvatt, it might be nice to have a way to launch into failsafex from grub or from the safeboot option maybe
[22:09] <bryceh> not sure
[22:10] <bryceh> maybe a lucid+1 thing
[22:19] <tseliot> superm1: ?
[22:20] <tseliot> superm1: the installer might break things in different ways and you need to shut down X in order to do --uninstall (if I remember correctly)
[22:24] <superm1> tseliot, well the thought process is tell the user they need to do that to upgrade, so you dont knowingly break
[22:25] <superm1> they had to stop X to do it once, they can do it again
[22:25] <tseliot> superm1: aah, ok
[22:27] <bjsnider> superm1, but do they know about the --uninstall option?
[22:27] <bjsnider> it would be better if nvidia just didn't provide an installer at all
[22:29] <superm1> bjsnider, you tell them in the popup from update-manager
[22:29] <bjsnider> cool
[22:29] <superm1> warning: you installed using the nvidia installer, you must uninstall using blah blah command
[22:29] <superm1> and give them directions
[22:31] <bjsnider> confusing
[22:31] <bjsnider> if i didn't already know what it is i might ask what the nvidia installer is
[22:44] <tjaalton> heh, could reproduce the "package foo in installed and configured already" 'bug' while upgrading to lucid
[22:45] <tjaalton> happened because root got full, despite u-m thinking it had enough space before it started the upgrade
[22:46] <tjaalton> s/in/is/
[23:10] <superm1> bjsnider, well hopefully they'll remember that they manually ran said command to install the nvidia driver the first time
[23:24] <Sarvatt> bryceh: hmm, failsafe no workie here at all - http://pastebin.com/j9tCXSsR
[23:24] <Sarvatt> at least with the old echo foobar > /etc/X11/xorg.conf method
[23:24] <bryceh> Sarvatt, got an Xorg.failsafe.log ?
[23:25] <Sarvatt> its from feb 11th, it didnt even try to use failsafe
[23:25] <bryceh> got any xorg.conf.failsafe ?
[23:25] <Sarvatt> yeah the old vesa one
[23:25] <bryceh> hmm
[23:26] <Sarvatt> from feb 11th too
[23:26] <bryceh> doublecheck that you're using the latest version of xorg - verify that /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer has a timestamp of yesterday or newer
[23:26] <bryceh> if that's good, then check the udev rule that is supposed to trigger failsafeX
[23:26] <Sarvatt> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4484 2010-02-23 01:37 /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer
[23:27] <bryceh> pastebinit /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer
[23:27] <bryceh> I think it should have a newer timestamp, it might be missing the fbdev bits.
[23:28] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/Uzg5YFBC
[23:28] <bryceh> but that should have at least touched Xorg.failsafe.log
[23:28] <bryceh> yep that's the right version of failsafeXServer
[23:28] <Sarvatt> yeah it didnt even try, it just used a normal session and failed
[23:28] <bryceh> check the udev rule
[23:29] <Sarvatt> trying to find it
[23:29] <bryceh> that's one bit I did not test
[23:29] <Sarvatt> nothing in /lib/udev/rules.d/ that matches for grep -R failsafe .
[23:30] <bryceh> hmm
[23:30] <Sarvatt> its a udev rule that triggered it before? didnt know that
[23:31] <bryceh> originally it was gdm that triggered it
[23:31] <bryceh> but they dropped the functionality from gdm that we needed
[23:31] <bryceh> (I guess redhat didn't need it for anything *grin*)
[23:32] <bryceh> so slangasek did a udev rule for it in karmic
[23:32] <bryceh> x11-common.failsafe-x.upstart
[23:32] <Sarvatt> no x11-common.failsafe* anywhere on my system
[23:33] <bryceh>         dh_installinit -px11-common --no-start --upstart-only --name failsafe-x
[23:33] <Sarvatt> ah init script
[23:33] <Sarvatt> theres a /etc/init.d/failsafe-x
[23:34] <bryceh> that's probably it
[23:34] <BUGabundo> guys how can I find out the EDID of my external LCDTV plugged via vga?
[23:34] <bryceh> BUGabundo, xrandr --verbose or get-edid
[23:34] <Sarvatt> dont be surprised when your tv doesnt expose all the resolutions i t works at over vga
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:35] <BUGabundo> vga has limits
[23:35] <BUGabundo> *lower
[23:35] <Sarvatt> most 720p hdtv's i've messed with just do 800x600 :(
[23:35] <BUGabundo> mine goes higher
[23:35] <BUGabundo> but its cutting of part of the screen
[23:35] <BUGabundo> or off center
[23:35] <BUGabundo> depending on res
[23:35] <BUGabundo> $ xrandr --verbose | pastebinit
[23:35] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/384746/
[23:36] <Sarvatt> so i guess you could just do sudo /etc/init.d/failsafe-x start to start failsafe instead of the xorg.conf trick
[23:36] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/384748/
[23:39] <Sarvatt> /etc/init.d/failsafe-x just looks like a skeleton
[23:40] <bryceh> it's a symlink
[23:40] <Sarvatt> cant wrap my head around how failsafe is started
[23:41] <bryceh> there must be a config file installed somewhere
[23:41] <BUGabundo> wow
[23:41] <BUGabundo> at 800x600 the pic is really nice
[23:42] <bryceh> ah /etc/init/failsafe-x.conf
[23:43] <Sarvatt> you have that?
[23:43] <Sarvatt> thats a leftover from superm1's dkms thing i think?
[23:43] <Sarvatt> its .unused here
[23:43] <Sarvatt> failsafe-x.conf.unused
[23:44] <Sarvatt> it got marked .unused during an upgrade a few months ago
[23:44] <bryceh> hrm
[23:44] <bryceh> I'm fairly sure this machine is a fresh install within the last month or two
[23:45] <Sarvatt> you have an /etc/init/failsafe-x.conf bryceh? maybe I screwed something up
[23:45] <bryceh> yeah I used the alpha-2 cd to install from
[23:45] <Sarvatt> will check my other machines when i get home
[23:46] <tjaalton> I have that after the upgrade
[23:46] <Sarvatt> i wouldnt put it past me to have renamed it screwing around with something
[23:46] <Sarvatt> .unused or .conf?
[23:47] <tjaalton> .conf
[23:47] <Sarvatt> ahh i screwed with it then, sorry about that
[23:47] <bryceh> $ dpkg --contents /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.5+1ubuntu6_all.deb | grep failsafe
[23:47] <bryceh> -rw-r--r-- root/root       132 2010-02-18 16:02 ./etc/gdm/failsafeBlacklist
[23:47] <bryceh> -rwxr-xr-x root/root      8610 2010-02-18 16:02 ./etc/gdm/failsafeXinit
[23:47] <bryceh> -rwxr-xr-x root/root      4595 2010-02-18 16:02 ./etc/gdm/failsafeXServer
[23:47] <bryceh> -rw-r--r-- root/root       291 2010-02-18 16:02 ./etc/init/failsafe-x.conf
[23:47] <bryceh> lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2010-02-18 22:06 ./etc/init.d/failsafe-x -> /lib/init/upstart-job
[23:47] <bryceh> Sarvatt, try reinstalling x11-common
[23:47] <Sarvatt> i bet it was when i was getting failsafe every time a fsck was run and it was annoying me :D


[00:46] <KittyKatt> [AmsG] Restarting XChat
[00:47] <homebrewcider> hey there, ever since I upgraded  from 8.04 to 9.04 my printer has not worked. it doesn't show up on a <lsusb> probe any more. what should I do please
[01:54] <mr_cha0s> is there any way to make a program not show up in the taskbar?
[01:54] <mr_cha0s> i want my VM to be like in the background
[01:54] <mr_cha0s> I tried alltray, fails :/
[01:59] <mr_cha0s> any idears?
[02:58] <KittyKatt> [AmsG] Be back in a few....moving back downstiars....
[03:58] <nick_> I just installed xubuntu jaunty and am having something strange going on.
[03:58] <nick_> I was noticing a lack of things in the repos, so I looked at my sources.list.
[03:59] <nick_> A bunch of the repos were listed with cl.archive.ubuntu.com instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com.
[03:59] <nick_> And I was failing to get lists from them.
[03:59] <nick_> I changed them in sources.list.
[03:59] <nick_> And thought that I got all of them.
[04:00] <nick_> But when I sudo aptitude update, it still has some cl sources and they go really slow.
[04:00] <nick_> also, the cl sources are marked as Translation-en_US.
[04:00] <nick_> I don't know where else to look for a source list
[04:01] <nick_> And these are communicating with me at <1kbps.
[04:02] <nick_> Any ideas?
[04:02] <cody-somerville> nick_, Open applications > system > software sources
[04:03] <cody-somerville> and change your mirror
[04:04] <nick_> :?
[04:04] <nick_> I'm an idiot.
[04:04] <nick_> Thanks.
[05:50] <pteague> how's xubuntu wireless support in jaunty?
[05:50] <forces> is the same from ubuntu
[05:51] <pteague> i ended up with a mac powerbook pro & i'm afraid the only way to save it is to put linux on it ;)
[05:53] <forces> dont be afraid
[05:53] <forces> that is a good new
[05:53] <forces> :D
[05:54] <pteague> hehe - exactly!  i'm just hoping i can set up the touchpad the same way...  otherwise no right click will suck >.>
[05:55] <pteague> virtualbox crashed on me tonight cause the mac ran out of memory...  terminal was using over 20mb of ram... wtf?
[06:51] <psycho_oreos> pteague, depending on chipset
[07:14] <pteague> intel, just got the other day at the apple store
[07:15] <pteague> i couldn't help it... i walked in, the guy took my wallet & emptied it of paper & plastic... next thing i knew i was walking out of the store with something in my hand wondering wtf happened...  j/k
[07:16] <forces> how can I install xfce 4.6.1?
[07:16] <psycho_oreos> pteague, yeah its supported with a native driver but proprietary microcode
[07:17] <psycho_oreos> I'm surprised they've changed the chipset yet again
[07:24] <pteague> i noticed something annoying with the security settings on the mac so i'm having fun running nmap while xubuntu torrent downloads
[08:12] <pteague> ntp, ipp, & zeroconf are only ports nmap found that were interesting
[09:47] <intok> how well will xubuntu run on a P4 celeron 2.4Ghz, 384Mb of DDR 266, nvidia quadro4 980XGL AGP card?
[09:54] <ablomen> should be pretty quick, though you might want to add a bit more ram to it
[09:55] <ablomen> that will help if you run a lot of applications at the same time
[10:01] <intok> yah the quadro4 is basically the same as the geforce 4 ti 4800
[10:03] <ablomen> you should check though to see if what nvidia drivers support that card
[10:05] <ablomen> ah the nvidia-glx-71 drivers do, ok so that should be no problem :)
[10:12] <geremy>  hi i just move to xfce how can i add quickly icon to panel?
[10:12] <ablomen> geremy, right-click on panel, ad new item, launcher
[10:13] <ablomen> currently there is no faster way (that i know of)
[10:13] <geremy> i must create it?
[10:13] <ablomen> yeah
[10:13] <knome> for now there is no better way
[10:14] <geremy> uff
[10:15] <geremy> uff when i want add terminal icon to panel?
[10:15] <geremy> command is?
[10:16] <knome> xfce4-terminal
[10:16] <geremy> thanks
[10:19] <geremy> there are no profiles in xfce terminal?
[10:27] <geremy> how can i install xfce theme?
[10:28] <ablomen> geremy, if you download them from sites like xfce-look, you can extract them in ~/.themes (and icons in ~/.icons), and there might also be some extra themes in the repositories
[10:29] <geremy> thanks that i need to know :)
[10:43] <poopuser> Hi all. I just downloaded program that unfortunately isn't resent in repositories. I would like to make a package out of it (not for everyone in the planet - just for me). How can i do so?
[10:43] <poopuser> *present
[11:14] <ablomen> poopuser, if you want to do it nicely: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ etc, there is also a command somewhere that creates "dirty" packages, not sure what it was called though
[11:15] <ablomen> oh yeah checkinstall >> http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/60383
[11:32] <geremy> is there way to change background color of icon text?
[13:20] <xerox1> how to determine, that an application like firefox always starts on desk 2 ?
[13:36] <TheSheep> xerox1: try devilspie
[13:36] <TheSheep> !info devilspie
[13:37] <xerox1> TheSheep, will have a look at it, thx
[13:42] <slow-motion> hi
[13:44] <SiDi> hi
[13:52] <psycho_oreos> any of you use gftp?
[13:57] <pome> yes
[13:57] <pome> works a treat
[13:58] <psycho_oreos> it works on jaunty without needing gksu?
[13:58] <pome> I just apt-get installed it, no issue
[13:58] <psycho_oreos> even with retrieving directories?
[13:59] <pome> yes
[13:59] <psycho_oreos> hmm thanks
[13:59] <homebrewcider> hey all, I'm trying to print to cd. I have (as advised) set up a 2nd printer for this purpose. I have cd set as the media, I have cd tray set as the source, I have this 2nd printer set as the printer for the job but all the jobs fail
[14:02] <xerox1> TheSheep, devilspie seems to work great thx again
[14:46] <geremy> hi, strange i changed ubuntu to xubuntu on my 1000he and no sound :( can somebody help?
[15:01] <PsynoKhi0> heya
[15:22] <firestarter1> hi. which is the GUI cron jobs configurator ?
[15:23] <firestarter1> and: is there a way to launch it with a command ?
[16:36] <PsynoKhi0> heya
[16:38] <PsynoKhi0> could anyone who's used ntfs-config with success in jaunty post their ntfs-3g line in fstab and related mount entry? thanks
[19:14] <hexbase> Hi
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Hello, hexbase
[19:14] <hexbase> when i shutted down last time i checked not to save the session
[19:15] <hexbase> now, when i boot, i have to start xfce manually
[19:15] <hexbase> and i cannot execute synaptic, for example.
[19:16] <vidd> hexbase, what version you running?
[19:16] <hexbase> the error is: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root.  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[19:16] <hexbase> 9.04
[19:17] <vidd> hexbase, can you open a terminal?
[19:17] <hexbase> yep
[19:17] <hexbase> i can sudo too
[19:18] <vidd> can you type sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic and tell me what happens?
[19:19] <hexbase> synaptic runs with no problem
[19:19] <vidd> now try "sudo synaptic"
[19:19] <hexbase> works nice too
[19:20] <hexbase> vidd, also, my default language has changed to english
[19:20] <vidd> now try gksu synaptic
[19:22] <hexbase> error... Failed to run synaptic as user root. Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.  /home/hexbase/.Xauthority doesnt exist
[19:22] <hexbase> console error: Error copying '/home/hexbase/.Xauthority' to '/tmp/libgksu-PbyZT1': No such file or directory
[19:23] <vidd> ic...so you are missing the .Xauthority file
[19:23] <vidd> the problem is gksu, not your session
[19:24] <vidd> not sure how to fix it though
[19:24] <hexbase> oh...
[19:25] <lc2> hay guise
[19:25] <lc2> has anyone noticed that the weather applet has stopped working?
[19:25] <lc2> i wiresharked it and it appears to be a problem with the applet, not the server
[19:25] <lc2> but before i report a bug i'd like to see that it's happening to other people
[19:28] <hexbase> so i got owned
[19:29] <hexbase> where can i ask for a solution? forums?
[19:29] <lc2> hexbase: as in h4x0red?
[19:29] <hexbase> lc2, what?
[19:30] <vidd> lc2, no...he didnt get kacked
[19:30] <vidd> he lost his .Xauthority file
[19:30] <lc2> o
[19:30] <lc2> umm
[19:30] <charlie-tca> lc2: version?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> It is working in karmic
[19:30] <vidd> hexbase, look in your /home directory
[19:30] <lc2> charlie-tca: jaunty
[19:30] <vidd> do you have /home/[username]/.Xauthority?
[19:31] <lc2> charlie-tca: hey, how about you test something for me
[19:31] <lc2> charlie-tca: will you set your location code to UKXX0271 for me? :)
[19:31] <charlie-tca> how?
[19:31] <hexbase> vidd, for what?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I can do anything, if you explain how to
[19:32] <vidd> hexbase, see if you have that file
[19:32] <hexbase> no, i dont have it
[19:32] <charlie-tca> lc2: give me the city, xfce weather applet doesn't use the code
[19:32] <lc2> charlie-tca: hm it doesn't?
[19:32] <lc2> that's odd
[19:33] <lc2> anyway, king's lynn :)
[19:33] <hexbase> vidd, i dont know why it disappeared?
[19:33] <hexbase> vidd, thats not possible
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Okay, that came up
[19:34] <charlie-tca> it is working. 18 degrees C
[19:34] <charlie-tca> WD: NE
[19:34] <lc2> charlie-tca: hmmm.
[19:34] <charlie-tca> WS 8km/h
[19:34] <vidd> hexbase, open up your text editor (mousepad works)
[19:34] <lc2> i get "No Data" heh
[19:34] <charlie-tca> not the network connection?
[19:34] <hexbase> vidd, yes
[19:34] <hexbase> vidd, then?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> and no, it won't take a code.
[19:35] <lc2> charlie-tca: nope i looked at it in wireshark
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Has it been working?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Might be something fixed in karmic.
[19:36] <charlie-tca> We got 4.6.1 too
[19:36] <vidd> dont type anything...just save it as /home/[username]/.Xauthority
[19:36] <Algyz> Hi, I have question about video decoder :)
[19:36] <lc2> charlie-tca: it was working when i first installed
[19:36] <Algyz> Dunno if it's right place here :|
[19:36] <vidd> replacing [username] with your username...of course
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Bug report it, then.
[19:36] <lc2> charlie-tca: my stepdad on hardy (he loves linux now, lol) has the same problem
[19:36] <vidd> hexbase, sorry...lag monster got me =\
[19:36] <lc2> charlie-tca: mm okay
[19:37] <hexbase> vidd, np. I've saved the file
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Maybe something got fixed for 4.6.1 goodies, but broke anything less
[19:37] <vidd> now try that gksu synaptic
[19:37] <charlie-tca> !question | Algyz
[19:37] <hexbase> vidd, it works
[19:38] <vidd> =]
[19:38] <hexbase> vidd, now i must fix my locale lang
[19:38] <hexbase> vidd, or whatever it is
[19:38] <vidd> hexbase, good luck with that.....
[19:38] <vidd> google has that answer all ove the place
[19:38] <vidd> but i never did it so...idk
[19:38] <hexbase> vidd, it doesnt know why it disappeared
[19:39] <Algyz> Sry :) I have Coreavcdecoder.ax file and want it to use with Friptv iptv application. Compiled app, but it is complaining, that  mpeg_demux: No video decoder connected! Where to place this coreavcdecoder.ax?
[19:41] <hexbase> vidd, i'll reboot to see what happens
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Algyz: Is that in Xubunt? I think maybe #mythbuntu might know, since they do deal with video and audio more than Xubuntu.
[19:45] <charlie-tca> s/Xubunt/Xubuntu
[19:46] <Algyz> Probably :)
[19:46] <Algyz> Thx
[19:50] <hexbase> vidd, i've fixed the language thing
[19:51] <hexbase> now, i have another problem. when i want to reboot, hal powermanagement doesnt works
[20:32] <lc2> yay, we have the first letter of the alphabet with us tonight
[20:39] <A> Hallo everyone! This is my first time at IRC, so please have a mercy. What channel should I join to ask about problem with Internet connection under Xubuntu?
[21:01] <hhh2> i cannot update epiphany and ristretto and mousepad without update my distro? i have xubuntu hardy
[21:03] <hhh2> how i can do?
[21:16] <mneptok> hhh2: enabling backports?
[21:27] <hhh2> what is?
[21:40] <mneptok> a repository
[21:40] <mneptok> enable it in Synaptic, and see if the apps you want have been backported to Hardy
[21:46] <hhh2> no there isn't
[23:32] <KittyKatt> [AmsG] brb
[23:36] <nimda_> how to get that xgl compiz running?
[23:39] <KittyKatt> Hm?
[23:39] <KittyKatt> What about compiz?
[23:39] <KittyKatt> I just went through a huge ordeal getting compiz running. Maybe I can help.
[23:39] <KittyKatt> Or you can go to #compiz.
[23:39] <nimda_> <- probs with grafic driver .tar.bz2 compiling and installing
[23:39] <KittyKatt> nimda_: ^^^^^^
[23:40] <nimda_> g++ doesnt work


[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #163706 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "nvidia-glx-new missing file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163706
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #147321 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "[fglrx] Mobility Radeon X1300 and Xv doesn't work with totem and jerky with vlc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147321
[13:55] <ubotu> New bug: #163806 in xorg (main) "X doesn't start on Samsung Q1 Ultra" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163806
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #163846 in xorg (main) "input is send to inactive window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163846
[16:20] <tjaalton> bryce: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/GitUsage
[16:20] <tjaalton> it should be a tad more complete now
[16:21] <tjaalton> and usable
[16:21] <tjaalton> choir ->
[17:10] <bryce> tjaalton: awesome
[18:42] <ubotu> New bug: #163877 in xorg (main) "Fail to switch bwteen CRT and LCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163877
[22:40] <ubotu> New bug: #163432 in xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (main) "x turns backlight off, freezes keyboard, post 7.04->7.10 upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163432


[03:35] <moniker42> hey, i was wondering...
[03:35] <moniker42> would i get paid to have an ubuntu logo tattooed on me somewhere?
[03:35] <tsmithe> you might have to pay
[03:35] <moniker42> i'd have to pay to get a tattoo on my own body?
[03:36] <moniker42> well maybe ubuntu could at least cover the cost of the tattoo
[03:36] <moniker42> would i get free stickers?
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> It would be trademark use, so you'd have to ask :)
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> Everyone gets free stickers, so yes.
[03:37] <moniker42> yeeey
[03:37] <moniker42> ok where do i get free stickers?
[03:37] <tsmithe> !shipit
[03:37] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will not send Edgy (6.10) CDs, but only Dapper (6.06) CDs, as Dapper is a !LTS release.
[03:37] <moniker42> !LTS
[03:37] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:37] <tsmithe> or pay jenda or menza or juliux
[03:38] <moniker42> but i take it the logos etc will be creative commons/GNU
[03:38] <moniker42> so i could make my own stickers?
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> moniker42: Yeah - I think they're on the wiki somewhere.
[03:40] <tsmithe> jenda, here, now!
[03:40] <tsmithe> he's probably asleep or studying
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> @now prague
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> nvm
[03:55] <moniker42> jenda.... studying?!! hahaha....
[08:46] <Burgundavia> hmm, Linux Foundation eh?
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: come again?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Main_Page
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> Yet another thing I can't afford to donate to
[08:56] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: meh
[08:56] <Burgundavia> hopefully it will make our life easier
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[01:13] <jenda> atoponce: mind if I semi-steal your email sig?
[02:57] <juliux> hi all
[03:06] <mindspin> juliux: msg?
[03:06] <juliux> mindspin, ?
[03:13] <jenda> hey juliux
[03:13] <juliux> hi jenda
[03:13] <jenda> just made the order.
[03:13] <juliux> cool
[03:13] <juliux> shoud i pay via paypal?
[03:15] <jenda> pay at your leisure, and yes, through paypal.
[03:15] <juliux> good
[03:42] <atoponce> jenda: not a prob
[03:42] <jenda>
[04:07] <jenda> :)
[04:08] <GazzaK> sorry boss
[04:09] <jenda> No pardon.
[04:09] <GazzaK> such a long channel name :p
[04:09] <jenda> hehe
[04:09] <jenda> tab completion is your redeemer.
[04:11] <GazzaK> I built a laptop which had windows xp on it, with many problems & bugs, to Ubuntu 6.10 last week \o/
[04:11] <GazzaK> thats not really marketing though
[04:14] <willvdl> it is if you print it on a leaflet :)
[04:15] <jenda> that's the spirit.
[04:22] <GazzaK> I did print a nice flyer for it, with the loco teams logo and basic build info :-)
[05:12] <jenda> Quiz winners this time ;)
[05:12] <GazzaK> ponies, where?
[05:25] <jenda> juliux: ping
[05:25] <juliux> jenda, pong
[05:25] <jenda> juliux: How many of those shirts do you sell?
[05:25] <jenda> And do you intend other sellables? (or do you have other sellables?)
[05:26] <jenda> I have a resource you might find useful.
[05:26] <jenda> -> an OO.org calc sheet for recording orders and payments.
[05:26] <jenda> It calculates most of the finances.
[05:27] <juliux> jenda, we had 100polos and 50t-shirts,27polos and 8t-shirts left
[05:27] <juliux> jenda, i developed my own datashet for all the finances
[05:27] <jenda> nice, btw ;)
[05:27] <jenda> oh, cool.
[05:28] <juliux> but you can also send me yours;)
[05:28] <jenda> if you like :)
[05:28] <juliux> i think in the future i will use gnucash for that
[05:28] <jenda> it'll eventually be on the site.
[05:28] <jenda> oooh
[05:28] <jenda> that's one thing worth learning ;)
[05:28] <juliux> gnucash rocks
[05:29] <juliux> i have an lecture in university this term about bookkeeping
[05:29] <juliux> so gnucash is easy stuff for me
[05:29] <juliux> in university we have to do all the bookkeeping stuff on paper
[06:10] <jenda> meatballhat: hello
[06:10] <jenda> I'm just about to publish the official SwagSheet
[06:10] <jenda> :)
[06:11] <jenda> ~for those who don't feel up to gnucash just yet
[06:11] <meatballhat> jenda: oi!
[06:11] <jenda> diy.devubuntu.com/dump/SwagSheet.ods
[06:11] <jenda> for swag distributors (sellers)
[06:11] <meatballhat> hehe ..... "dump"
[06:11] <jenda> yeah :)
[06:12] <jenda> I figured I shouldn't clutter the main dir anymore.
[06:12] <meatballhat> excellent
[06:12] <jenda> Reminds me...
[06:12] <jenda> MitchM: ping
[06:12] <jenda> MitchM: pretty, pretty, pretty ping
[06:12] <jenda> meatballhat: we'll have to withdraw from doc.ubuntu.com
[06:12] <MitchM> haha hey jenda ?
[06:12] <jenda> MitchM: oooh :)
[06:12] <MitchM> jenda, whats up?
[06:13] <jenda> MitchM: I'm looking to our generous host for some more hosting...
[06:13] <meatballhat> withdraw, as in we're getting the boot?
[06:13] <jenda> meatballhat: another way to put it ;)
[06:13] <meatballhat> :D
[06:13] <jenda> meatballhat: not really, though.
[06:13] <MitchM> jenda, no problem; whatever you need.
[06:13] <jenda> The server software is too old for me ;)
[06:13] <jenda> MitchM: unless your server runs Breezy.
[06:13] <jenda> :)
[06:13] <meatballhat> gotcha ...
[06:13] <MitchM> (im starting to think that my server may [in the near future, require a new MoBo]  ... *sad face*)
[06:13] <jenda> meatballhat: but they're also going to be cancelling it.
[06:13] <MitchM> nay.
[06:13] <MitchM> it runs the 6.10 Kernel
[06:14] <jenda> aww
[06:14] <jenda> MitchM: I can help finance that.
[06:14] <MitchM> haha no problem. I will finance it.
[06:14] <MitchM> I just hope it doesn't go down again.
[06:14] <jenda> ok :)
[06:14] <MitchM> went down twice in the last 6 months.
[06:14] <MitchM> it makes me sad.
[06:14] <MitchM> :) how can I help?
[06:14] <jenda> MitchM: so, the issue: I can't use bzr on doc.ubuntu.com anymore.
[06:14] <somerville32> For the diy website
[06:15] <somerville32> You might set some system requirements for using it :P
[06:15] <MitchM> ah.
[06:15] <somerville32> It is way too slow on my computer :P
[06:15] <jenda> somerville32: I need to talk to you too ;)
[06:15] <jenda> somerville32: hehe
[06:15] <somerville32> jenda: k :)
[06:15] <MitchM> diy.devubuntu.com is slow?
[06:15] <MitchM> ?
[06:15] <meatballhat> somerville32: I'll probably just have to make an alt stylesheet that isn't *so* CSS2 :D
[06:15] <somerville32> I really liked it when it was in the table myself
[06:16] <MitchM> jenda, I think I have BZR loaded on the box; go ahead and SSH in and see what you can do.
[06:16] <meatballhat> as in:  .... linky on top of page [fast CSS]   [rich CSS (default)]
[06:16] <meatballhat> somerville32: do you mean as a quad layout instead of the vertical cols?
[06:16] <jenda> MitchM: so - that branch requires: about 200 MiB of space, a daily cronjob, and bzr
[06:16] <jenda> MitchM: all good?
[06:17] <jenda> the cronjob runs an update - does'nt re-download the 200 MiB
[06:17] <somerville32> meatballhat, Sure, lol
[06:17] <meatballhat> :D
[06:17] <MitchM> jenda, Your eating away my disk-space.
[06:17] <jenda> hehe
[06:17] <MitchM> jenda, shame on you.
[06:17] <MitchM> jenda, yeah that should be fine :)
[06:17] <jenda> Can I? Can I not?
[06:17] <jenda> ooooh :)
[06:17] <jenda> thank you :)
[06:17] <MitchM> oh -- have fun.
[06:17] <MitchM> yup; if you need temporary sudo access to setup what you need; let me know.
[06:17] <jenda> meatballhat: shall I do it on diy.devubuntu.com/repo?
[06:18] <meatballhat> jenda: that gets my vote
[06:18] <MitchM> *cries*
[06:18] <MitchM> Looks like im down to around 500gig.
[06:18] <jenda> MitchM: I don't... but I'll ask you to set a cronjobbed script.
[06:19] <MitchM> *nods*
[06:19] <jenda> I guess I'll put it in /repo/.cronjob
[06:19] <MitchM> You need the cronjob to run as root?
[06:19] <jenda> no
[06:19] <MitchM> good man.
[06:20] <jenda> "bzr update"
[06:20] <jenda> all there is.
[06:20] <jenda> :)
[06:20] <MitchM> just use your own cronjob profile then?
[06:20] <jenda> I don't know how :)
[06:20] <MitchM> "crontab -e"
[06:20] <jenda> it's what mdke has set up for me, and I've been using since :)
[06:20] <MitchM> copy your cronjob into the "crontab -e" file.
[06:21] <jenda> but yes, I'll try later on.
[06:21] <jenda> I'll scream for help :)
[06:21] <MitchM> *nods* -- let me know if you need anything
[06:21] <MitchM> :)
[06:21] <jenda> And thanks :)
[06:27] <MitchM> yup :)
[09:24] <tk2> flash?   You offered to send me some for free but I never got them.
[09:29] <jenda> somerville32: ok, that would explain why I found your address among the outgoing prints ;)
[09:30] <jenda> somerville32: I needed to check, because I wouldda sworn I already did.
[09:30] <jenda> see my grand memory at work.
[09:30] <somerville32> :)
[09:30] <jenda> I'll send you a bit of the new batch, as soon as it's in.
[09:31] <somerville32> Thanks :)
[09:36] <jenda> np
[09:54] <beuno> ping meatballhat
[09:55] <jenda> hey beuno
[09:55] <jenda> if he pongs, meeting starts ;)
[09:55] <jenda> hehe
[09:55] <jenda> it's so easy with 3 people on a project.
[09:55] <beuno> hey jenda!
[09:55] <beuno> heheh
[09:55] <jenda> I have little to say for the meeting though :)
[09:55] <beuno> yeah, timezones and work/school helps too
[09:55] <jenda> I'm very tired after an exam.
[09:56] <beuno> I'm kinda on hold too
[09:56] <beuno> that's why I wanted to see where we're at
[09:58] <jenda> The next exam is very tough, I'm afraid I'll be useless this week.
[09:59] <beuno> that can be an interesting mix..
[09:59] <somerville32> beuno: pong
[09:59] <beuno> lol
[09:59] <somerville32> Ok, I'm ready for the meeting.
[10:00] <somerville32> Lets get started
[10:00] <beuno> how's the CSS coming along?
[10:00] <somerville32> oi!
[10:00] <somerville32> I'm currently working on a lighter version of the CSS
[10:00] <beuno> that's spooky
[10:01] <somerville32> :D
[10:01] <meatballhat> meatballhat here :)
[10:01] <beuno> I think that means you hang around here too much
[10:01] <somerville32> **CARRIER TERMINATED**
[10:02] <beuno> IRC brings out the funniest in ppl
[10:02] <meatballhat> what're we all talking about :D
[10:02] <meatballhat> ?
[10:02] <beuno> jenda, ping pang pung
[10:02] <jenda> ah
[10:02] <jenda> sorry :)
[10:02] <somerville32> Hrmph :/
[10:03] <meatballhat> somerville32: you no likey my bloated, png-ridden CSS?  :D
[10:04] <somerville32> It must requires a Pentium 4 *atleast* :P
[10:05] <meatballhat> how do we feel about alternate stylesheets?
[10:05] <somerville32> I really like the quad layout
[10:05] <somerville32> Who was the guy that copied it to their own website and made some changes at the very beginning?
[10:05] <somerville32> I really liked that version
[10:05] <somerville32> Fast
[10:05] <somerville32> Nice looking
[10:05] <meatballhat> that's cool by me ... I switched to the "4 pillars" to better accommodate folks with XGA monitors
[10:05] <somerville32> It was hawt
[10:06] <meatballhat> ;-D  nice
[10:06] <beuno> so... where is the ball?
[10:06] <jenda> yeah, who was the originator of that idea? :)
[10:06] <jenda> beuno: on the hat, right under the meat
[10:07] <beuno> hahaa
[10:07] <meatballhat> one of jenda's latest requests was for me to change the front page back to look like the mini nav buttons :D
[10:07] <meatballhat> like when viewing != front page
[10:07] <beuno> I like the idea that the ball is always on the other side  ;)
[10:08] <meatballhat> no no ... it had better be ... ;-)
[10:09] <meatballhat> what are we talking about 'round here?
[10:09] <jenda> I don't know :)
[10:09] <jenda> I'm not talking.
[10:09] <beuno> what's the status on the diy?
[10:09] <meatballhat> 2/3 argh, 1/3 schweet
[10:10] <meatballhat> I think we need a wee bit more data coming into some of the entries in "spread.php," "get.php," etc ...
[10:10] <beuno> meatballhat, is it safe to start cooking up a backend?
[10:10] <meatballhat> I altered the layout a bit and added imaginary database calls :P
[10:11] <meatballhat> beuno: have you done that diff on the files I recommended yet ? :D
[10:11] <beuno> I saw
[10:11] <beuno> uhm
[10:11] <beuno> no
[10:11] <beuno> I'm a bit afraid to do it  ;)
[10:11] <jenda> I guess the data is my job.
[10:12] <beuno> jenda wins
[10:12] <jenda> ...and yet so that I don't spend too much time on it.
[10:12] <meatballhat> I guess it really doesn't matter all that much ... the only other thing I noticed was that the whole "goto.php" thing makes it so that links do not display as "direct" links but rather as just calls to the database
[10:13] <meatballhat> beuno: can we change this?
[10:13] <jenda> goto.php?
[10:13] <meatballhat> somerville32: were y'all serious about cooking up a lighter CSS file?  Should I hold off till you are done
[10:13] <beuno> meatballhat, if I change it, I can't count how many clicks there were
[10:13] <meatballhat> jenda: goto.php is hidden ... it's all database talky code
[10:13] <jenda> meatballhat: ooh, good news
[10:14] <jenda> meatballhat: that means it's somethnig I don't have to try to pretend I understand.
[10:14] <meatballhat> beuno: okie doke
[10:14] <somerville32> meatballhat, No. I was impersonating you :P
[10:14] <beuno> meatballhat, since you changed the files, would you liek to merge them?
[10:14] <meatballhat> somerville32: ;-) understood ... thanks for doing me justice B-)
[10:14] <beuno> I'll backup and re-download
[10:15] <meatballhat> beuno: let's discuss what fields need to be added real quick ...
[10:15] <meatballhat> if you agree that it's do-able then ...
[10:15] <meatballhat> I think you should be the one to alter your files to fit better with the db tables
[10:16] <beuno> ok ok
[10:16] <beuno> will do then
[10:16] <beuno> I'll download, merge, re-upload
[10:16] <jenda> ah, /me was gonna do that bzr thing
[10:17] <jenda> beuno: we discussed the layouts of the sections with meatballhat before.
[10:18] <meatballhat> okay, about the layout and additional info to be included ...
[10:18] <beuno> meatballhat, maybe you can finish those layout changes
[10:18] <beuno> add them to the CSS
[10:18] <meatballhat> I'd just like for there to be a field that displays the downloadables' file size ..
[10:18] <meatballhat> hm
[10:18] <beuno> and then I'll include to the DB whatever is needed
[10:19] <meatballhat> wait a sec .... which layout changes are you waiting on?
[10:19] <beuno> dunno, jenda said something, and I followed his lead
[10:19] <meatballhat> I've already made some changes....  but ...   I'd likey some feedback on it :D
[10:20] <meatballhat> "print" and "go" sections, in particulart
[10:20] <jenda> beuno: blame it on me, yeah... ;)
[10:20] <meatballhat> *r
[10:20] <beuno> heh
[10:20] <jenda> oh yes, file sizes... yes please :)
[10:20] <beuno> ok
[10:20] <jenda> I hat when that's missig.
[10:21] <meatballhat> so file size is one ....
[10:23] <meatballhat> sorry ... work stuff ....
[10:23] <meatballhat> back now
[10:23] <beuno> np
[10:23] <meatballhat> file size, additional URL's
[10:23] <beuno> meatballhat, so, should I go ahead and do stuff, or wait for you
[10:24] <meatballhat> beuno: just a sec :) ... I'd like to decide on what add'l fields we need first
[10:24] <tsmithe> jenda, i've decided 1280x800 is too small for openbox to look gorgeous
[10:24] <meatballhat> what 'bout commentary?
[10:24] <meatballhat> to be entered via the backend?
[10:24] <beuno> where are you?
[10:24] <tsmithe> jenda, so i may just have to go back to xfce. hear that, somerville32 :P
[10:25] <meatballhat> beuno: everywhere :D
[10:25] <jenda> tsmithe: do you want a Xubuntu case badge? ;)
[10:25] <jenda> *runs
[10:25] <beuno> lol
[10:25] <beuno> jenda, xubuntu stickers?
[10:25] <jenda> yeppers
[10:25] <meatballhat> the only pages with dynamic content are "print" "get" and "go" yes?
[10:25] <jenda> 750 of them.
[10:25] <tsmithe> jenda, if it's free... but i'd prefer a vanilla one :P
[10:25] <tsmithe> with flavour if possible
[10:25] <tsmithe> (mmm vanilla)
[10:26] <jenda> hehe
[10:26] <beuno> meatballhat, "commentary" would be user comments?
[10:26] <meatballhat> jenda proposed commentary for the "get" page so that users could critique quality of others' offerings
[10:26] <meatballhat> to be submitted by users via the wiki, then filtered and posted by admins via the backend
[10:27] <jenda> that's not what I suggested :)
[10:27] <meatballhat> jenda: there you are!  pipe up! :D
[10:27] <meatballhat> what did you suggest? :D
[10:27] <beuno> ok, add it to the design then, I'll add whatever is *possible* on the layout tothe DB
[10:28] <jenda> beuno, meatballhat: I suggested receiving emails - first parsing the addy (only from @ubuntu.com), then subject - we would ask people to put in a reference code of the swag: "Posters-1" and put the body of the mail as comments.
[10:28] <jenda> with us reversing nonsense ones
[10:28] <beuno> ah, parsing emails...    uhm....   that never works out
[10:29] <jenda> There won't be too many, because it's limited on both sides: number of swag shipped, and number of members.
[10:29] <jenda> beuno: you sure?
[10:29] <jenda> with a single domain of addys to parse...
[10:30] <beuno> jenda, now the domain or user, the actual "content"
[10:30] <beuno> but I guess once we got all this working we can give it a crack
[10:30] <meatballhat> jenda, beuno: it'd be easier via form, yes?
[10:30] <beuno> much much easier
[10:30] <meatballhat> we can still boot out non @ubuntu addys ...
[10:31] <meatballhat> but there's easier validation when we're controlling the input from the first, yes?
[10:31] <jenda> hmm
[10:31] <jenda> ok
[10:31] <beuno> meatballhat, correct
[10:31] <jenda> I'm opposed to forms - I'd rather do it manually.
[10:31] <meatballhat> jenda: the future will come eventually ;-)
[10:31] <jenda> I don't want randommers commenting on swag.
[10:32] <meatballhat> jenda: easier for you ...  considerably dirtier for the progger amongst us :D
[10:32] <jenda> I want to personally check if the person has bought them stuff.
[10:32] <meatballhat> jenda: if we're still booting comments from non-ubuntu members...?
[10:32] <meatballhat> jenda: we can have the form submit to a queue
[10:33] <meatballhat> and review before "promoting" them to viewable
[10:33] <meatballhat> beuno: am I on the right track?
[10:33] <beuno> absolutely
[10:33] <jenda> meatballhat: I'd still prefer to do it manually.
[10:34] <meatballhat> jenda: you can ... and then copy and paste it into the form :-P    .... :D
[10:34] <jenda> meatballhat: I wouldn't mind a non-ubuntu member that way...
[10:34] <jenda> haha
[10:34] <jenda> the form would make people ask Why can't I comment?
[10:34] <meatballhat> I think that we're still talking about the same thing, really ...  if we put the form in an obscure location and don't link to it directly from the site...
[10:35] <meatballhat> it's the form-based equivalent of a privately-written email
[10:35] <beuno> we put the site up
[10:35] <beuno> see it behave, and start building on top
[10:35] <meatballhat> it's not like we're putting a "comment" button on each entry :D
[10:35] <meatballhat> beuno: agreed :D
[10:35] <meatballhat> okay ... so comments to be reserved for next round? :D
[10:36] <meatballhat> any additional comments on the commenting commentary?
[10:36] <beuno> +1
[10:36] <meatballhat> jenda?  ;-D
[10:38] <meatballhat> uh oh ...  jenda???
[10:38] <jenda> sorry :)
[10:38] <jenda> too much happening.
[10:38] <jenda> ok, sure
[10:38] <jenda> but why not give them an email adress instead? ;)
[10:38] <jenda> is the form so much cleaner, DB-wise? :)
[10:38] <meatballhat> goooood ... okay, so file size, alt URLs, ordering info for "get" ...
[10:38] <meatballhat> jenda: yes, very much
[10:39] <meatballhat> cleaner, that is :D
[10:39] <beuno> jenda, parsing emails is terribly hard, you never know how they're going to be formated
[10:39] <jenda> beuno: not when I do it manually :)
[10:39] <jenda> beuno: simple - reject them if they're wrong.
[10:39] <beuno> oh, in that case knock yourself out
[10:39] <meatballhat> :D
[10:39] <meatballhat> settle down, gents :D
[10:39] <meatballhat> moving on?
[10:39] <jenda> beuno: comments  second phase +1
[10:39] <meatballhat> jenda: yay!!!
[10:40] <meatballhat> ...   file size, alt URLs, ordering info for "get"
[10:40] <meatballhat> what else we missing?
[10:41] <jenda> author and licence, of course.
[10:41] <meatballhat> I seem to remember we're lacking in url description tables for some
[10:41] <meatballhat> yes
[10:42] <meatballhat> jenda: would you be able to give us a run-down of essential data to include for each entry on "print" "get" and "go" ? .. perhaps on the wiki?
[10:42] <jenda> ok
[10:42] <meatballhat> you're the lawyer amongst us, btw :-)
[10:42] <jenda> hehe :)
[10:43] <jenda> I'm also the youngest :) /me feels so low
[10:43] <jenda> :)
[10:43] <meatballhat> okay, so beuno and I have successfully managed to offload our work to jenda yet again :D
[10:43] <meatballhat> :P
[10:43] <beuno> our work is done again
[10:43] <beuno> and ppl think web dev is hard...
[10:44] <tsmithe> jenda, youngest what?
[10:44] <jenda> tsmithe: on the diy team ;)
[10:44] <meatballhat> czech in the room?
[10:44] <tsmithe> ah
[10:44] <jenda> meatballhat: prolly ;)
[10:44] <jenda> lol, beuno, meatballhat :)
[10:44] <meatballhat> oi ... i'd better get back to work ...  anything else? :D
[10:45] <jenda> It's what I've been trying to do ever since you two got aboard...
[10:45] <jenda> ...and now you bested me at it?
[10:45] <jenda> Damn.
[10:45] <meatballhat> HA! :D
[10:45] <meatballhat> like mentor, like student ....
[10:45] <jenda> :)
[10:46] <jenda> Imagine you employ a bunch of workers...
[10:46] <jenda> The workers come, and give you all the work...
[10:46] <jenda> And you pay them.
[10:46] <jenda> and that's the part where this doesn't work :)
[10:46] <jenda> So I better shut up and go get doing my work, now that you told me what it is ;)
[10:46] <meatballhat> heehee ... it's just a *wee* little bit of writing :D ...
[10:47] <somerville32> Wee @ Xubuntu :)
[10:48] <jenda> meatballhat, beuno - you're a good team ;)
[10:48] <beuno> ;)  thanks, jenda
[11:19] <jenda> MitchM!!!
[11:20] <somerville32> Wazzup
[11:20] <somerville32> +?
[11:20] <jenda> bzr --version
[11:20] <jenda> bzr (bazaar-ng) 0.8.2
[11:20] <jenda> that
[11:21] <jenda> same as at doc.ubuntu.com
[11:21] <somerville32> Eww
[11:22] <somerville32> Use 0.14 or w/e it is
[11:22] <jenda> doc.ubuntu.com runs Breezy.
[11:24] <MitchM> JENDA !!!
[11:24] <tsmithe> !caps | MitchM
[11:24] <tsmithe> hmmf?
[11:24] <tsmithe> ubotu??
[11:24] <MitchM> hah.
[11:24] <MitchM> tom-fool.
[11:24] <jenda> MitchM: :)
[11:24] <tsmithe> bah
[11:24] <tsmithe> :P
[11:24] <MitchM> jenda, you get it working?
[11:24] <jenda> MitchM: can you upgrade bzr? :)
[11:25] <MitchM> pssh.
[11:25] <jenda> you happen to have the same version mdke's breezy box does :)
[11:25] <MitchM> yes masta.
[11:26] <jenda> I wonder if me using it right now matters...
[11:26] <jenda> ;)
[11:26] <jenda> - [==                                                         ]  fetch phase 0/4
[11:26] <jenda> MitchM: you _aren't_ using breezy, are you? ;)
 jenda: for dapper, he can use 'deb http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs/ ./' in sources.list
[11:27] <MitchM> The following packages have been kept back:
[11:27] <MitchM>   bzr
[11:27] <jenda> maybe because I was using it?
[11:27] <jenda> try now
[11:27] <jenda> or try sudo apt-get install bzr ;)
[11:28] <MitchM> done
[11:28] <jenda> thx
[11:28] <MitchM> 0.11.0 good?
[11:29] <jenda> MitchM: yes, i think so :)
[11:29] <MitchM> *nods*
[11:29] <somerville32> Just use 0.13
[11:29] <jenda> !lart somerville32
[11:29] <somerville32> You can download it from bazaar-vcs
[11:29] <jenda> somerville32: .11 should be good enough.
[11:30] <jenda> although sometimes I feel a .50 would do better ;)
[11:30] <somerville32> Well, you can use the 0.14 release candidate
[11:31] <jenda> meh
[11:33] <beuno> jenda, do you have any idea if Ubuntu/Canonical is participating in this:  http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/20/0928221
[11:33] <beuno> and if not, who can we bring it to there attention?
[11:55] <jenda> beuno: sorry, it didn't load at first, and then I drifted off to the DIY wiki...
[11:55] <jenda> just a sec
[11:56] <jenda> beuno: I've never heard of it.
[11:56] <jenda> It should try to participate...
[11:56] <jenda> and the person to do that is...
[11:56] <jenda> Communications Manager.
[11:56] <jenda> It's not a community thing.
[11:56] <jenda> beuno: Christina Jane Armstrong
[11:56] <beuno> great
[11:57] <beuno> got her email addy handy?
[11:57] <jenda> beuno: <christina dot armstrong swat canonical cot com>
[11:57] <jenda> ;)
[11:57] <jenda> despammalize yourself ;)
[11:57] <jenda> two dots and an at
[11:58] <beuno> tnx, I'll contact her
[11:58] <tonyyarusso> swat?
[11:58] <jenda> tonyyarusso: 'at'
[11:58] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I understand - I'm jsut amused
[11:59] <jenda> tonyyarusso: I have the feeling using the same despammulization each time is very ineffective.
[11:59] <tonyyarusso> true
[11:59] <jenda> But I'm paranoid of course :)
[11:59] <tonyyarusso> I should talk to her too
[12:00] <tonyyarusso> The CBC seems very Linux-friendly, and I'll bet we could get a Feisty release story there.
[12:00] <tonyyarusso> But, first we _need_ press releases written for things other than tech sites.
[12:00] <jenda> I see my despamulisation is still ineffective...
[12:00] <tonyyarusso> Our current ones won't cut it in the general public.
[12:00] <jenda> I need to find a type no-one will understand ;)
[12:00] <jenda> poor CJA will now get flooded by -marketing people ;)
[12:01] <tonyyarusso> Nah, I already had her info.
[12:01] <beuno> seems I had it to
[12:02] <beuno> I think she was in the last marketing meeting, wasn't she?
[12:02] <tonyyarusso> yes
[12:03] <beuno> Jenda is faster the gmain contacts though  ;)
[12:03] <beuno> *gmail
[12:05] <jenda> haha :)
[12:06] <jenda> she popped in, yup.