[09:19] <Belutz> anyone here?
[09:22] <tashiro> jupp
[09:23] <Belutz> do you know what happening in here http://belutz.pastebin.com/401205 ?
[09:23] <Belutz> i'm trying to install netbeans
[09:25] <tashiro> Belutz: huh, don't know.  I think it's a great product
[09:28] <Belutz> and why do you think netbeans suck?
[09:30] <tashiro> It's a closed software, mostly. They name it open source, but I think it isn't. And second it uses Swing :-)
[09:30] <Belutz> what's wrong with Swing?
[09:30] <Belutz> i'm new in java thingy
[09:31] <Belutz> :)
[09:32] <tashiro> Belutz: Swing tries to repaint all widget by itself instead of using the native widgets, which the OS offers. The result is that is looks odd on all platforms.
[09:32] <Belutz> i see
[09:32] <Belutz> then, what eclipse use?
[09:33] <tashiro> The native widgets
[09:33] <tashiro> For Linux you can choose between Motif and GTK
[09:33] <Belutz> i see
[09:33] <Belutz> i have to install plugin for that?
[09:34] <tashiro> All you have to install is the eclipse-sdk package
[09:36] <Belutz> yes... and i wonder why it needs mozilla-browser to be installed
[09:37] <tashiro> It uses mozilla as embedded widget to show javadocs for example, see http://vern.chem.tu-berlin.de/~stephan/images/eclipse-gjdoc.png
[09:39] <Belutz> is the help file must be installed separately?
[09:41] <tashiro> No, but the help system doesn't currently work for ubuntu, because ubuntu miss some packages, which are needed for the help system. We're working on that.
[09:42] <Belutz> i see... so that's why i keep getting file not found when i try to access the help file?
[09:45] <tashiro> Yes, debian works better for this case. But there are also some missing bits.
[09:46] <Belutz> ok, thanks for the info :) i'll be waiting for the update :)
[09:46] <tashiro> Stay tuned :-)
[09:47] <Belutz> :-)


[02:24] <valorie> looking
[02:24] <valorie> oh gosh, that was hours ago
[02:29] <valorie> mparillo: looks perfect, and the links all work
[02:29] <valorie> should I click the publish button or back and out and let you do the honors?
[11:35] <mparillo> I just published. Thanks for asking, and in the future, feel free to publish yourself. I am three hours ahead of you and am no longer a night owl.
[15:45] <mparillo> https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-22-04-1-lts-update-available/
[19:36] <valorie> Thanks!
[19:50] <valorie> https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1558178830992359424


[00:24] <Cheri703> we're an exciting lot, eh?
[00:29] <canthus13> YAY!!!
[00:29]  * canthus13 whistles.
[00:29]  * canthus13 goes back to sleep.
[00:34] <Unit193> There was a storm...
[00:35] <Cheri703> yep
[00:35] <Cheri703> more coming Unit193
[00:35] <Cheri703> www.fullscreenweather.com
[00:36] <Unit193> Isn't it fun? You can blame canthus13 if you want...
[00:36] <Unit193> (Can't view sites on this slow connection
[00:36] <Cheri703> ah
[01:19] <Unit193> Talk about a storm... Cheri703 Did you hear that last one??
[01:20] <TheErk> I am the storm!
[01:20] <Cheri703> yeah, it's working its way through
[01:20] <Cheri703> o/ TheErk
[01:20] <TheErk> Dear Satan I am glad to be hme.
[01:21] <Unit193> ...
[01:21]  * Cheri703 is playing with Calibre and getting stuff converted to epub in anticipation of getting the nook...2.5 weeks til it's available though :/
[01:21] <TheErk> Today hela sucked
[01:29] <TheErk> How were your days?
[01:31] <Cheri703> same ol' same ol'
[01:35] <canthus13> Uh. Wow.  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110525/ap_on_re_as/as_new_zealand_human_balloon
[01:35] <dmcglone1> Anyone watching Idol?
[01:35] <canthus13> dmcglone1: No.  Was in the middle of a movie, but no biggie. We have candles and such
[02:31] <canthus13> AndChat|: Nice nick.
[02:31] <AndChat|> Bah, one sec
[02:33] <cheri703_mobile> Ok
[02:37] <cheri703-mobile> SkrappJaw: power go out?
[02:38] <SkrappJaw> no.
[02:38] <SkrappJaw> not yet
[02:38] <SkrappJaw> did yours?
[02:39] <SkrappJaw> cheri703-mobile: We're all good in Madison
[02:39] <cheri703-mobile> Ours went out a while ago
[02:40] <cheri703-mobile> Lots of sirens
[02:43] <Unit193> cheri703-mobile: We still have it...
[02:43] <SkrappJaw> dang
[02:43] <cheri703-mobile> Just came back on :-)
[02:44] <SkrappJaw> Ya. Katie is out also. she's on S.main
[02:44] <SkrappJaw> Cool.
[02:48] <Cheri703> power is back :)
[02:49] <SkrappJaw> Good good!
[02:59] <Cheri703> anything exciting going on tonight?
[03:02] <TheErk> This is about it
[03:03] <TheErk> And now.. bedtime..  mode :)
[03:26] <Cheri703> scooter2: one awesome thing I forgot to mention about andchat
[03:26] <Cheri703> if you start typing a nick and then press and hold on the text field, you can choose "complete nick" which is a MAJOR lacking feature from others
[03:27] <scooter2> Cheri703: it works! Awesome!
[03:27] <Cheri703> yeah, it's super handy :)
[03:28] <scooter2> Yeah, thanks! I'm still getting used to having a phone that does things. It used to be only calls and an alarm clock...
[03:29] <Cheri703> heh
[03:29] <Cheri703> if you need android pointers or app recommendations, let me know :)
[03:29] <Cheri703> ooo, and for alarm clock, I use "alarmed"
[03:29] <Cheri703> it lets you have the volume increase slowly, also lets you set math or anagram questions that have to be answered before it gets shut off :)
[03:29] <dmcglone1> lord I am so thankful American Idol is over!
[03:30] <scooter2> Sure! I'll check that out. although I'm terrible at anagrams. Glad I don't have a roommate anymore.
[03:31] <Cheri703> you can turn them off, choose either/or, both, or none
[03:32] <scooter2> dmcglone1: American Idol is gone for good?
[03:35] <dmcglone1> No scooter, season is over :-) yippie yay, I hate that show, but everyone here watches it
[03:35] <dmcglone1> jgould: you here?
[03:37] <dmcglone1> Every time I hear an artist who made it big from Idol, I just can't bring myself to respect them as much as an artist that had to go through blood sweat and tears to make it big
[03:40] <Cheri703> storm is picking up again
[03:42] <scooter2> Oh no! How was is for you this evening?
[03:42] <dmcglone1> hasn't been bad at all here in south columbus
[03:44] <Cheri703> scooter2: we lost power for a while
[03:44] <Cheri703> about an hour or so
[03:44] <Cheri703> not terrible
[03:45] <scooter2> Cheri703: my alert light went blue! I didn't know it had any other color than green!
[03:46] <Cheri703> heh, nice!
[03:46] <Cheri703> what phone?
[03:48] <scooter2> Motorola Droid 2 (r2d2).  Apparently blue is the color for incoming calls. What android device do you use?
[03:52] <Cheri703> ah, I have a sprint hero
[03:52] <Cheri703> it's old, but I like it :)
[04:02] <scooter2> We just switched from sprint to verizon. The phone I had with sprint was amazingly indestructable. A lot of respect for LG products.
[04:03] <scooter2> Well, got to go. Hope the storm passes over you!
[04:03] <Cheri703> OMG I AM SO BORED
[04:03] <Cheri703> nothing to watch, and nothing I am in the mood to work on from my to do list
[04:03] <Unit193> Run out in the rain~
[04:04] <Cheri703> no
[04:04] <Unit193> It was an idea...
[04:04] <Cheri703> >.>
[04:04] <Cheri703> <,<
[04:04] <Cheri703> no
[04:04] <Cheri703> :)
[04:05] <Cheri703> seriously I'm antsy and I have acid reflux and I want to DO something but there is nothing to do
[04:14] <Cheri703> power flicked off again
[04:16] <Unit193> We have had a little power changes, but nothing that turns it off
[04:24] <Unit193> Cheri703: Did you look outside??  Haven't "seen" you in a while
[05:24] <popman> I'm good
[05:24] <popman> just been busy
[05:24] <popman> =P
[05:27] <Unit193> Nice to have you back!
[05:29] <popman> haha
[05:29] <popman> I've been idling in the darkness :D
[05:32] <Unit193> I've noticed. we're in 4 of the same channels :D
[05:43] <Unit193> Now we have _bbb and _bbb_
[06:18] <popman> :D
[14:29] <Derath-Srvr> Hi all
[15:00] <Derath-Srvr> Man, last night was wild...
[15:01] <Derath-Srvr> some of the cities near me got pelted with golf-ball to baseball sized hail
[15:03] <Derath-Srvr> Hi Scooter
[15:37]  * jgould blinks, and now has to craft a response to Jon Buckley's Email...
[15:54] <scooter2> Hi Derath-Srvr! Sorry for the slow response. How are you?
[15:54] <Derath-Srvr> Alive and no damage from last night :) so at least that much is going for me :)
[15:57] <scooter2> Always a plus! Really nice outside now, strangely enough.
[15:58] <Derath-Srvr> Will change again later today...
[15:58] <Derath-Srvr> shouldn't be as bas as last night thought
[15:58] <Derath-Srvr> err though
[15:58] <Derath-Srvr> was insane near me...
[15:59] <scooter2> Are you south of Cleveland? It was really bad there.
[15:59] <Derath-Srvr> Dayton
[15:59] <deejoe> tornados?
[15:59] <Derath-Srvr> I think a few F0-F1s...
[15:59] <deejoe> I was a kid when the huge one came through Xenia
[15:59] <Derath-Srvr> Mostly hail damage though
[16:00] <Derath-Srvr> Between the hail and 90+ mph winds...
[16:01] <scooter2> Yeah, the weather map had a huge multicolor blob over you all evening...
[16:01] <Derath-Srvr> lol Yeah
[16:01] <Derath-Srvr> Reports of golf-ball to baseball+ sized hail...
[16:02] <Derath-Srvr> I think there were quite a few rotation clouds, but I don't think many formed...
[16:04] <Derath-Srvr> And the news reporters were on from 6:30 to well after midnight... lol long day for them
[16:04] <Derath-Srvr> Need to check the house tonight for damage
[16:04] <scooter2> Aren't we supposed to have a cold front coming in soon?
[16:08] <Derath-Srvr> something...
[16:08] <Derath-Srvr> we have another system coming in soon/now...
[16:08] <Derath-Srvr> brb
[16:14] <Derath-Srvr> back
[17:01] <scooter2> Need to eat. See you!
[17:15] <Cheri703> I'm always amazed at the difficulty people have with the difference between "petal" "pedal" and "peddle" even amongst bike "professionals"
[17:16] <Cheri703> I see petaling and peddling more often than pedaling >.<
[17:34] <deejoe> such is life in a post-literate society
[17:54] <Cheri703> true
[17:55] <_bbb> i saw someone write "torchered" yesterday
[17:55] <Cheri703> >.<
[17:56] <_bbb> the worse part it was my religion zealot aunt posting on Jesus's facebook page
[17:56] <_bbb> so many facepalms so little time
[17:58] <_bbb> i wanted to tell her that wasnt really Jesus
[17:58] <_bbb> he's still on myspace
[17:59] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[18:25] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[18:26] <Derath-Srvr> So which email was it you needed to reply to?
[18:26]  * Cheri703 is poking her nose into the NEO thing :)
[18:26] <jgould> I saw that Cheri703
[18:26] <jgould> I need to respoond to the one from Jon Buckley RE: Columbus UH
[18:28] <Cheri703> jgould: at least there's a response!
[18:28] <Cheri703> also for reference, jon buckley is itsafork
[18:28] <Unit193> 20 emails this morning...
[18:29] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[18:29] <jgould> I noticed XD
[18:30] <Derath-Srvr> And too much going on... Cols UH wants moved, NEO UH wants to be moved and needs new leadership lol
[18:30] <Cheri703> and the election!
[18:33] <jgould> I think that we are a robust group that can sort all three of these issues out and grow stronger all at the same time.
[18:33] <jgould> Unit193: 20 Emails from the list?
[18:34] <Unit193> jgould: Total this morning (after I went to sleep)
[18:34] <Unit193> Just got another (12 or 13 from list)
[18:34] <jgould> Heh
[18:35] <Cheri703> jgould: +1
[18:35] <jgould> I have already gotten around 60 emails since about 6am...
[18:35] <Cheri703> the group as a whole has been really stagnant for a while
[18:35] <Cheri703> so (IMO) some changes need to happen in order to bring in new people.
[18:36] <Cheri703> New people join the LP group, but they don't often show up to things, or make it to the IRC room, and the forum is pretty dead as well
[18:36] <Cheri703> so...I think we need to put more effort into the IN PERSON meetings
[18:36] <jgould> Cheri, your statemnet about multiple UH's in a city may be the answer to the issues plauging the Cols. UH.  Have a second one on a diferent night at a slightly diffrent time...
[18:36] <jgould> Get them to the in person events and then bring them into every thing else from there?
[18:36] <Cheri703> yeah jgould
[18:37] <Cheri703> a LOT of people would be MUCH more comfortable sitting next to someone having ubuntu explained or problems fixed vs navigating IRC and such
[18:37] <Cheri703> and those are some of the people that we WANT to encourage
[18:37] <jgould> Yep.
[18:37] <Cheri703> the people who are only using windows because that's what came on their computer and don't know there's something better
[18:37] <Cheri703> the ones who get scared into buying a new computer that will barely run win7 because xp is losing support, etc
[18:38] <Cheri703> and those people are NOT going to be finding an irc room or forum or whatever, but if they have the opportunity to go and sit in person with others and find out, they'd probably do so
[18:38] <jgould> You guys have seen my struggles via IRC but what I've mentioned is not really much compared to what I've had to deal with to get this laptop wroking
[18:38] <Cheri703> yeah
[18:39] <jgould> (although I am in the Mac OS at the moment.  With the storms last night I would have had to tether my phone if I needed to roll, and I can't do that in Ubuntu at the momemnt.
[18:39] <Cheri703> do you use usb tether or wireless?
[18:41] <jgould> Bluetooth, but I haven't had time to try to find any scripts for the modem in the phone (A RIM BlackBerry 9700 that does not act as a hotspot.) I haven't tried a USB tether...
[18:41] <jgould> I may have to do that when I finish my email..
[18:43] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[18:43] <Cheri703> I use wireless tether for root users on android
[18:43] <Cheri703> SUPER EASY
[18:45] <jgould> And Cheri, I think that Mansfield is close enough to NEO that you do have some possible insight into what they are trying to do...
[18:45] <jgould> BRB,  Rebooting
[18:47] <Unit193> I was on IRC for the longest time before getting LP (That was more because paultag was on my back)
[18:47] <Unit193> Howdy SMK / skellat
[18:47] <Cheri703> o/ skellat
[18:47] <skellat> And the map for pinning where you are in Northeast Ohio can be found at: http://ur1.ca/4a7wb
[18:47] <skellat> Hello Cheri703 and Unit193
[18:47] <paultag> Unit193: :)
[18:48] <paultag> hey skellat :)
[18:48] <skellat> paultag: How is the weather in Boston?
[18:48] <paultag> skellat: hot as it's ever been :)
[18:48] <paultag> it's nice
[18:48] <paultag> skellat: how's things up your wasy?
[18:48] <skellat> Excellent
[18:49] <paultag> Erie's treating you well, I hope :)
[18:49] <skellat> paultag: Last night had some scary moments for storm cells.
[18:49] <Cheri703> skellat: If I refer to you in an email, how do you prefer?
[18:49] <jgould> We had some pretty bad ones down here in Columbus too...
[18:50] <skellat> Cheri703: Yikes, I'm known in so many ways.  SMK works, Stephen works...I dunno.  I haven't been styled as Professor Kellat for a while as I've lack faculty status for a few years, alas...
[18:50] <Cheri703> heh, ok
[18:51] <skellat> Cheri703: Your interjection in the thread is mightily appreciated, too.  This is probably the most active the mailing list has been in a while.
[18:51] <paultag> +1
[18:51] <Cheri703> :) good, glad it's helpful
[18:51] <jgould> I agree, skellat
[18:52] <Derath-Srvr> Wow, lots of chat...
[18:52] <Derath-Srvr> too bad there's no "Summarize the window for me" button lol
[18:52]  * Unit193 still is scared of the ML
[18:52] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: ha!
[18:52] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: +1000
[18:52] <paultag> Unit193: nah!
[18:52] <paultag> it's just email
[18:52] <jgould> The ML?
[18:52] <jgould> Never mind
[18:52] <paultag> mailing list
[18:52] <paultag> :)
[18:53] <jgould> Taht dawned on me after I hit enter
[18:53] <paultag> :)
[18:53] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[18:53] <Derath-Srvr> Don't you hate it when that happens lol
[18:53] <skellat> Unit193: My big worry in the referenced thread is what on earth the bounds of the NEO ReLoCo are.  Finding an appropriate scale for organizing communities is the big debate.  Right now we're pinning a Google Map to look for clumping in the distribution of participants.
[18:53] <Cheri703> posted to the list, but I want one of these on our site: http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[18:54] <Cheri703> that'd be awesome for a. creating new relocos/ubuntu hours, and b. for new people to see that there are others near them
[18:54] <Derath-Srvr> Question, do I put in two pins? lol One for Dayton and one for Cols? lol
[18:55] <Cheri703> Derath-Srvr: IMO, put one anywhere you are likely to participate regularly
[18:55] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[18:55] <jgould> BRB
[18:56] <Cheri703> so if someone from dayton says "hmm...anyone near me?" they see that there is, if someone from columbus says "how many potential U-H attendees?" they can count you
[18:56] <skellat> Derath-Srvr: At this point, mainly just looking for clumping of participants.  We gotta get a grip on how far apart NEO folks are distance-wise.
[18:56] <jgould> Sweet!  I'm tethered
[18:56] <Derath-Srvr> congrats
[18:56] <jgould> Ok, Back to wifi!
[18:57] <Cheri703> I'm watching some HORRIBLE low budget movie...it's really dumb
[18:57] <Derath-Srvr> crank2?
[18:57] <skellat> Cheri703: It looks like Alan's using the same stuff as I am EXCEPT that he's doing some API stuff to place things on the map.
[18:57] <skellat> Derath-Srvr: I liked that movie.
[18:57] <Cheri703> ok, I think it'd be awesome to have it on the site
[18:58] <jgould> That was easier to set up in Ubuntu than it was in the MacOS...  I had to install RIM's software to make it work...
[18:58] <Cheri703> could be as general as neighborhood or something, but...yeah
[18:58] <Derath-Srvr> lol it was a train wreck... horrible, but you just can't look away
[18:58] <Cheri703> "Cross" it's dumb
[18:58]  * Cheri703 HEARTS jason statham
[18:58]  * Cheri703 could look at him alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll day
[18:58] <Unit193> The next Ubuntu Ohio meeting is NOW ;)
[18:59] <Cheri703> heh Unit193
[18:59] <Cheri703> new topic: Jason Statham
[18:59] <Cheri703> ;D
[18:59] <Derath-Srvr> right when i have a work mtg too... sigh
[18:59] <Cheri703> my favorite fight scene in ANY movie: the bus garage scene in The Transporter
[19:00] <Cheri703> with the oil and the bicycle pedals :D
[19:00] <Derath-Srvr> bbiab
[19:00] <skellat> I gotta duck out to deal with stuff in the non-Ubuntu world.  Happy map pinning and please play it up on Twitter and Identica.
[19:01]  * Unit193 doesn't know who Jason Statham is
[19:02] <Cheri703> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005458/
[19:03] <Cheri703> also: http://www.moviewatchlist.com/cast_gallery/images/Jason%20Statham%20%288%29.jpg :D
[19:03] <Cheri703> wow this movie is dumb
[19:04] <Unit193> I may have seen The Transporter and I have seen The Pink Panther
[19:05] <Cheri703> the transporter is teh awesome
[19:06] <jgould> Sunbury is about to get pounded...
[19:09]  * Cheri703 finds it amusing that the majority of people who have pinned the map are J names
[19:09] <jgould> Heh
[19:10] <jgould> that's cause us J names are on the ball...
[19:12] <jgould> There is a google list for the Columbus ReLoCo?
[19:13] <Cheri703> I am sorely tempted to respond "set up a filter and / or just ignore"
[19:13] <Cheri703> I was unaware of a google group
[19:13] <Cheri703> yet another "closing things off from new folks who have no idea things exist" in my opinion :/
[19:14] <jgould> This is the pooint of a mailing list...
[19:18]  * jgould blinks...  There is very little info on this google group that we didn't know existed...
[19:19]  * Cheri703 didn't bother joining it
[19:20] <Cheri703> filters filters filters people
[19:21] <jgould> You go, Cheri!
[19:22] <Cheri703> ?
[19:22] <jgould> Your email
[19:22] <Cheri703> oh
[19:22] <jgould> the owner of the google group for the Columbus ReLoCo is Brian
[19:22] <Cheri703> :)
[19:23] <Unit193> Stop with the email! Too much! ;)
[19:24] <Cheri703> filters
[19:25] <jgould> i get on average, 300 Emails a day.  do i read them all, no. do I have filters set up, yes. Do they all still go into my inbox, yes.  they go into a unified inbox on my phone too... I see every message...
[19:26] <Cheri703> my ohio ones are labeled and stay in inbox, but other lists get archived and labeled
[19:26] <Cheri703> woo gmail
[19:26] <Cheri703> and the new labs feature for nested labels
[19:26] <Cheri703> I have "ubuntu lists" and then sub labels
[19:27] <jgould> oh, the 'many members' he speaks of number at 23 Heh
[19:27] <Cheri703> and how many of those participate regularly?
[19:27] <Cheri703> I just think we need to revitalize things
[19:27] <Cheri703> as I said, very stagnant
[19:28] <Cheri703> According to Launchpad, we have "386 active members"
[19:28] <Cheri703> HA
[19:28] <Cheri703> not even close
[19:29] <Cheri703> as far as actually active
[19:29] <Cheri703> and participating/contributing/interacting with other users
[19:29] <jgould> I have to go back to the beginning of 2010 to find activity that is not Gilbert on the ReLoCo page for Columbus
[19:30] <Cheri703> and granted, a large portion are "read" users vs "write" users (not going to necessarily contribute back in), but they all put forth at least enough effort to find the loco group, so they're more than just "omg someone put this on my computer!" users
[19:30] <Cheri703> :/
[19:30] <jgould> Aren't  you guys supposed to be campaiging or something for the council?
[19:31] <Cheri703> yeah, a bit
[19:31] <Cheri703> should I take the stuff I've said in here and make an email? :)
[19:32] <Cheri703> I note that in brian's response he doesn't address the "gee, I *could* set up a filter" concept :/
[19:32] <jgould> So far there have been 7 emails on this reloco list this year, that are all Gilbert restating that there is a UH...
[19:35] <Cheri703> yeah :/
[19:35] <jgould> I think you should... This is how we are going to become active again....
[19:35] <Cheri703> I will work on putting some thoughts together
[19:36] <jgould> We also determined it a great
[19:36] <jgould> place because, though--yes-- you have to pay..
[19:36] <jgould> that to me is a down side... period
[19:36] <Cheri703> yeah agreed (though I don't drive ;) )
[19:36] <Cheri703> and besides, some people don't like parking in garages, want to see their car
[19:38] <jgould> I don't care for garages, and plus I have some equipment mounted in my car that I would like to keep for me, not let someone else have...
[19:38] <jgould> Isn't itsafork the head of the Ohio LoCo?
[19:39] <Unit193> One of them
[19:41] <Cheri703> yeah, itsafork and gilbert
[19:42] <Unit193> + Cheri703 or SMK
[19:43] <Cheri703> did my last message come across as facetious?
[19:45] <jgould> No
[19:45] <Cheri703> k
[19:45] <jgould> you are stating a valid point.  Most of the email I get I don't care about...
[19:46] <jgould> And the columbus UH discussions are for the list as a whole.  300+ members versus the 23 that are on the Google Group?  Hmm...  Which one has the higher precentage of people that live in Cols...
[19:47] <Cheri703> I feel like I need to check with people, I know how I mean things, but I don't know how they're taken by others
[19:47] <jgould> I feel the same way you do
[19:48] <jgould> I'm on a nationwide list for a progam that lets you see track occupancy for freight trains.  Most of the email on there I could care less about, sometimes things pique my intrest so I read them and end up learning something...
[19:49] <Cheri703> any list that is "globally relative [sic] to every member" is USELESS
[19:50] <Cheri703> on most of my lists, about 10-20% applies directly to me, that's just how it works
[19:50] <Cheri703> the whole point is to reach those new people who may have joined and not located the specialized groups, etc
[19:51] <Cheri703> line from this horrible movie (by gary busey's son, which tells you something right there) "duude, you're a BIG bad guy"
[19:51] <Cheri703> -_-
[19:53] <jgould> Maybe we need a new ReLoCo for Columbus...  I don't know.  The location works if you live on campus.  I'm not shelling out $40 (last I heard) for parking passes from T&P so I can attend UH
[19:53] <jgould> I'll BRB
[19:53] <Cheri703> kk
[19:55] <Cheri703> you know...one good thing about me being on the council (if elected) I am actually in the irc room regularly, and easy to reach as needed
[19:56] <Cheri703> :)
[19:56] <Unit193> +1!
[19:56] <jgould> +1
[19:57] <Unit193> I also have your gmail and and google talk
[19:58] <Cheri703> heh
[19:58]  * jgould blinks at the most recent email from Brian...
[19:58] <Cheri703> yeeeah
[19:58] <Cheri703> we DO have a forum, but again, a LOT of people don't go look at it
[19:58] <Cheri703> and new people are MUCH more able to handle a mailing list than a forum
[19:58] <jgould> I don't like fourms
[19:59] <jgould> It's harder to respond while moble (well figurtivly,  I can tether my phone now XD)
[19:59] <Unit193> I don't go to the LoCo one...
[19:59] <Unit193> I'm a ML reader and IRC person only it seems
[19:59] <Cheri703> he is the embodiment of the mentality I was talking about earlier: It should be this way because I want it this way, and OBVIOUSLY it shouldn't be what it has blatantly evolved into because *I* think it shouldn't :/ at least that's the vibe I'm getting from him
[19:59] <Cheri703> I go to forums, but 90% dead ones I don't check very often at all
[20:00] <Cheri703> don't need to, since no one ever posts there
[20:00] <Unit193> (For the record. There are only 183 on the ML)
[20:00] <Cheri703> yeah, no idea where the other 100+ are...
[20:00] <Cheri703> :)
[20:00] <Cheri703> might see if there's a way to send messages to people who aren't actually on the list
[20:02] <jgould> I'm with you, Unit193.  I prefer Email
[20:02] <jgould> (and IRC)
[20:02] <Unit193> I don't email the list (I'll just ask Cheri703 to do it ;D )
[20:03] <Cheri703> mmmmhm
[20:04] <jgould> Does anyone else see discussions appearing on their other mailing lists?
[20:05] <Unit193> [163 messages expunged from folder "INBOX"] <--- Had to change my filters because of you ;)
[20:05] <Cheri703> mmhm
[20:06] <jgould> XD
[20:06] <Cheri703> yeah jgould, if it turns into an exchange between two people, then it goes off the list, but if multiple people are giving input, then it is big
[20:17] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[20:19] <Derath-Srvr> Sup Masked
[20:20] <canthus13> ...wow. Someone needs to pull the cactus out of their butt.
[20:21] <canthus13> the discussion on the ML is neatly threaded by google, and was easy enough to filter into one folder. :/
[20:21] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[20:22] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, you have to give me a min to catch up... my phone can only show so much at a time lol
[20:55] <MaskedDriver> a cactus canthus13?
[20:55] <MaskedDriver> 113 messages in May
[20:55] <MaskedDriver> I don't care if they're nicely threaded... That's excessive
[20:56] <canthus13> Then quit the list.
[20:56] <MaskedDriver> 15 in April
[20:56] <MaskedDriver> no.. because I like to know what's happening in the LoCo
[20:57] <MaskedDriver> not what every ReLoCo is doing day-to-day
[20:57] <MaskedDriver> We have forums that that kind of stuff can be used for as wel
[20:58] <MaskedDriver> I wonder how many people HAVE quit from the spam at this point
[20:59] <Cheri703> messages discussing topics that can be relevant (even generally) to other groups (most of the stuff lately hasn't been SUPER specific to one group) isn't really spam...
[20:59] <jgould> MaskedDriver: None
[20:59] <Derath-Srvr> How about how many have quit because of the lack of traffic?
[20:59] <jgould> Now that one, I can't answer
[20:59] <Cheri703> the group has been 90% dead for a long time
[21:00] <Derath-Srvr> Pretty much..
[21:00] <Cheri703> sure ubuntu-hours have been happening, but no new people have really been showing up
[21:00] <Cheri703> new people show up on lp, but then nothing happens, so they leave
[21:00] <canthus13> Then set up filters, use a threading client. Mailing lists work quite well as forums for people who don't know about the forum, would rather not have to go to a separate site to keep up, etc.  You're only the second person I've seen in 3 years to complain about ML volume.
[21:00] <MaskedDriver> only publicly
[21:00] <Cheri703> people were pissy about the "other" columbus group, the WHOLE reason they were started was because of the LoCo being so stagnant
[21:01] <jgould> I'm on several mailing lists that generate 100+ emails a day.  all of them make my phone vibrate.  I don't do much more than shake all day.  I find email easier to use than a fourm
[21:02] <Cheri703> I have mailing lists that generate upwards of 30 CONVERSATIONS in gmail per day, can be a few hundred individual messages depending on how chatty they are
[21:02] <MaskedDriver> that's excessive
[21:02] <Cheri703> it is
[21:02] <Cheri703> but I filter them and read at my leisure
[21:02] <Cheri703> so it is completely unobtrusive
[21:02] <Cheri703> and sometimes I just delete without reading, as it's mostly a chatty list vs an action list
[21:03] <Cheri703> ok bye
[21:03] <jgould> plus you don't have to read every email that shows up.  I know I don't.
[21:03] <jgould> Ragequit?
[21:03] <Cheri703> *shrug* dunno
[21:03] <Cheri703> he did pop out and back earlier
[21:04] <Cheri703> anyway. I see nothing wrong with actually utilizing the list
[21:04] <jgould> I don't either.
[21:04] <canthus13> prolly.
[21:04] <Cheri703> and as stated: I am more than happy to help people set up their email filters :)
[21:04] <jgould> :)
[21:05] <Cheri703> brian reminds me of my husband: defensive over EVERYTHING
[21:05] <Cheri703> at least that's how he's coming across
[21:05] <Derath-Srvr> Also note: the irc is logged and is available on the net :)
[21:06]  * jgould shrugs
[21:07] <Cheri703> ooo, it was a ragequit
[21:07] <Cheri703> he left
[21:07] <Cheri703> he deactivated himself from the team
[21:07] <Derath-Srvr> oh well
[21:07] <Derath-Srvr> his loss
[21:08] <jgould> Yep
[21:09] <jgould> I understand the ReLoCo's having indivual lists, but for some matters, the statewide list is better....
[21:09] <canthus13> Reloco lists just further complicate things for people who barely have a handle on one list.
[21:10] <jgould> Or have no clue that the reloco list exists in the first place
[21:10] <Derath-Srvr> as he generates one more email to the list (the deactivate email)
[21:11] <canthus13> Nice to see someone followign my suggestions...
[21:11]  * canthus13 wonders if hell unfriend him in facebook.
[21:11] <canthus13> he'll.
[21:12] <canthus13> (Not that I even noticed the deactivate mail... I have those filtered. :)
[21:12] <Cheri703> heh
[21:12] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[21:12] <jgould> Heh
[21:14] <jgould> Also, as Natty was Just released a month ago, does it not make sense that there would be more traffic following a release?
[21:14] <Derath-Srvr> :X
[21:14] <Derath-Srvr> Afternoon Eric
[21:15] <jgould> I loved how it got slient in here when he came in
[21:16] <EricR2427> Hello
[21:16] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[21:16] <Derath-Srvr> It's always that way, unless gilbert, paultag, or jacob come in lol
[21:17] <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: Nah. you're just not around late in the evenings when me, Cheri703, Unit193, and jgould get going.
[21:17] <jgould> Heh
[21:17] <jgould> we're the overnight shift...
[21:18] <canthus13> :D
[21:18] <Derath-Srvr> Well, since I took a first shift job, I can't be up all night anymore
[21:18] <Cheri703> well gosh Derath-Srvr, you should QUIT so you can be on IRC all night! I mean, come on, where are your priorities?!
[21:18] <canthus13> Heh.
[21:19] <jgould> He even left the reloco google group
[21:20] <jgould> I was excpecting to find my self a short lived member...
[21:20] <canthus13> Wow. brian was a rather long-term member...
[21:21] <jgould> All over a few emails...
[21:22] <Cheri703> canthus13: when I went to the columbus ubuntu-hour the one time, he REALLY didn't seem to want new people there. he mostly ignored me and only talked to gilbert and the one guy whose name I forget now
[21:22] <Cheri703> I really got the impression that he's TOTALLY content to have the group be tiny and not grow at all
[21:22] <jgould> I'm going to take a nap.  Be back in a few hours
[21:22] <Cheri703> which is completely inconsistent with what the goals should be (at least in my opinion)
[21:22] <canthus13> Yup.
[21:24] <Cheri703> *shrug*
[21:24] <Derath-Srvr> Cheri: have to afford the inet connection lol
[21:24] <Cheri703> I need to write up my "campaign platform"
[21:24] <Cheri703> what do you mean Derath-Srvr?
[21:25] <Derath-Srvr> Priorities lol
[21:25] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha
[21:25] <Cheri703> true
[21:25] <Derath-Srvr> Need to be able to afford connecting, so I have to have a job lol
[21:25] <Cheri703> psh, you could get a part time job for that, internet isn't thaaat expensive
[21:25] <Derath-Srvr> And it's better to be at the UH while there are actually people there, I went and no one was there
[21:25] <Cheri703> though if husband gets a job, I'm really tempted to try for a faster connection
[21:25] <canthus13> Cheri703: ...I don't think you'll be getting brian's vote. :)
[21:26] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[21:26] <Derath-Srvr> Would he be an absentee ballot now?
[21:26] <canthus13> Derath-Srvr: ...not unless he left the launchpad group.
[21:26] <Cheri703> yeah..I don't think so
[21:29] <Derath-Srvr> Wow... lost power here in dublin...
[21:30] <Derath-Srvr> briefly
[21:30] <Cheri703> he deactivated himself on lp
[21:30] <Derath-Srvr> LMAO!
[21:30] <Cheri703> he's under "former members"
[21:31] <canthus13> Wow.
[21:31] <Derath-Srvr> Think he'll go to the "meet-up" group? lol
[21:31] <Cheri703> hehe, dunno
[21:32] <Cheri703> someone named "funkyhut" is also a deactivated member :D
[21:46] <canthus13> ...I know a funkyhat...
[21:46] <canthus13> He's in England...
[21:48] <Cheri703> hehe
[22:21] <Cheri703> http://failbook.failblog.org/2011/05/26/funny-facebook-fails-pedophile-busted-using-facebook-in-apple-store
[22:26] <Cheri703> more storm coming
[22:26] <Unit193> I kinda noticed the rain, Cheri703
[22:26] <Cheri703> it's not raining here yet
[22:29] <Cheri703> now it is
[22:30] <Unit193> It had been raining for a little
[22:30] <Cheri703> not here
[22:32]  * canthus13 wonders what tomorrows convective outlook is like...
[22:33] <dmcglone1> Hello
[22:33] <Unit193> dmcglone1: You missed all the fun!
[22:33] <dmcglone1> back pain is getting better by the day :-)
[22:33] <canthus13> Ooo... nice. nothing at all over ohio tomorrow.
[22:34] <dmcglone1> I did Unit193
[22:34] <dmcglone1> what did I miss
[22:34] <canthus13> a hissy fit over mailing list traffic. :/
[22:34] <Cheri703> ragequit
[22:34] <dmcglone1> Huh?
[22:34] <Unit193> Where is the "people that have quit" part? I never found it...
[22:35] <dmcglone1> was it a discussion in IRC?
[22:35] <Cheri703> lp page, all members, scroll toward bottom (or ctrl-f mask) :)
[22:35] <Cheri703> part of it was on the list, part in here
[22:35] <dmcglone1> I see. what in the world was it over?
[22:36] <canthus13> dmcglone1: people actually used the mailing list.
[22:36] <Cheri703> people actually using the list to discuss things
[22:36] <dmcglone1> Oh wow, I opened my mail and got 24 emails from the list alone. seems to be a record... LOL
[22:37] <Unit193> I only see Active and Pending...
[22:38] <dmcglone1> Active and Pending what Unit193?
[22:39] <Unit193> LP > All Members and Active or Pending only
[22:39] <dmcglone1> Oh Ok
[22:41] <dmcglone1> How do I add a pin to my location on the google map?
[22:41] <Cheri703> edit
[22:48] <Cheri703> fire truck just drove by
[22:48]  * canthus13 used to live a block from a fire station...
[22:50] <dmcglone1> I have no idea how to add a pin and my name to my location
[22:50] <dmcglone1> I clicked edit and it's like a maze
[22:50]  * canthus13 has no idea how to find the map.
[22:50] <Cheri703> dmcglone1: on the left, just above the name of the map, there should be an edit button, NOT the one above the map itself (sorry, wasn't clear)
[22:50] <dmcglone1> canthus13:  http://ur1.ca/4a7wb
[22:50] <Cheri703> dmcglone1: just go back to the main link
[22:51] <Cheri703> ok, that button isn't showing up now -_-
[22:51] <dmcglone1> I clicked the "edit" at the top of the page, but it's not letting me add a pin to my location for some reason
[22:52] <Cheri703> ok, I see it
[22:52] <Cheri703> the one in the left panel or the one in the map panel?
[22:54] <canthus13> Hmm.. can't find an edit button.
[22:54] <canthus13> (Other than the one at the top...)
[22:54] <Cheri703> try loading it again
[22:55] <Cheri703> the first time I clicked, it didn't show up, then I clicked it again and it did
[22:55] <dmcglone1> Ok I wasn't signed in to google :-/
[22:55]  * Cheri703 thinks directions should have been included with the map
[22:56] <dmcglone1> I think we should have been able to just type our address in and then add a pin to it
[22:58] <canthus13> There. Fixed.
[22:58] <canthus13> refresh did it.
[23:04] <Cheri703> kk
[23:06] <dmcglone1> Heh, read the e-mails. makes me disgusted!
[23:07] <Unit193> dmcglone1: You should have seen when he joined IRC :D
[23:07] <dmcglone1> isn't discussing things related to Ubuntu on the list the purpose of it????
[23:08] <dmcglone1> I guess were are supposed to google our brains out till we find the info, if ever.
[23:09] <Unit193> Just join #ubuntu ;)
[23:09] <dmcglone1> I think the list should be used for any and all communications among every Ubuntu Member
[23:10]  * Unit193 hasn't once sent an email to the list (Don't plan too)
[23:11] <Cheri703> dmcglone1: and know about obscure google groups -_-
[23:13] <dmcglone1> Not that I would change the way we are doing things, but there is a website for advertising and scheduling meets, it can be found at http://www.meetup.com I use it exclusively for my PHP meetups
[23:14] <Cheri703> that's what the other ubuntu group uses :)
[23:14] <Cheri703> there was some reason I didn't like meetup...I forget why
[23:14] <Cheri703> I thought you had to pay to create a group? or something?
[23:16] <dmcglone1> well I can safely say, if this type of behaviour he deems as the holy grail is forced on us I'll most certainly walk away
[23:19] <Cheri703> I completely disagree with everything (as far as I remember, didn't look back at it) that he said, so...
[23:19] <Cheri703> if I make it to the council (hint hint nudge nudge) then don't expect those sorts of attitudes :)
[23:19] <dmcglone1> Heh, if he thinks I'm joining that google group he's out of his mind. I don't patronise with dictators :-/
[23:21] <dmcglone1> It was his overall tone  that got me
[23:22] <dmcglone1> I commend jgould for keeping his cool :-)
[23:23] <dmcglone1> and you too Cheri703
[23:24] <Cheri703> thanks
[23:25] <dmcglone1> I should have said that earlier, but it's usually the guy that wants to beat the crap out of people like that
[23:28] <dmcglone1> well now what? are we going to continue to keep things how they are or do we have to learn a whole new set of rules?
[23:28] <Cheri703> now what what?
[23:28] <Cheri703> what do you mean?
[23:28] <Cheri703> nothing really changed as a result of today
[23:28] <dmcglone1> are we not allowed to post anything to the mailing list?
[23:28] <Cheri703> no one agreed with him
[23:29] <Cheri703> just carry on as before
[23:29] <dmcglone1> good
[23:30] <dmcglone1> I ask myself: how would paultag handle this one? LOL
[23:31] <Cheri703> hehe
[23:31] <Cheri703> wwptd
[23:31] <Cheri703> what would paul tag do
[23:31] <dmcglone1> LOL
[23:31] <dmcglone1> I'm serious, he's the most calm and collective individual I've ever met
[23:32] <dmcglone1> No wonder he's a leader!
[23:32] <paultag> awwww.
[23:32] <Unit193> Over on another channel, there is a great guy like that
[23:32] <dmcglone1> He's a natural
[23:32] <paultag> thank you guys
[23:32] <dmcglone1> well hello paul
[23:33] <dmcglone1> I thought you were on your way to Boston
[23:33] <paultag> afternoon dmcglone1, how are things?
[23:33] <paultag> dmcglone1: Yessir, flight was at 7:00 AM :)
[23:33] <paultag> I'm already wicked bummed
[23:33] <dmcglone1> Doing good man.
[23:33] <dmcglone1> are you in Boston yet?
[23:34] <paultag> dmcglone1: yeah, I'm sitting just west of the city, watching Netflix on my Wii. Super hot out today
[23:34] <dmcglone1> Cool. are you staying with family?
[23:34] <paultag> dmcglone1: yeah, for now. I'm heading down the cape to live on my own in a few days, just hanging out around here for now
[23:35] <paultag> dmcglone1: I'm interviewing for a few positions, so I have no idea where i'll end up :)
[23:35] <dmcglone1> Well I wish you the best of luck! Hopefully your position will be here in c-bus we need somebody to keep this city in check :-)
[23:36] <paultag> dmcglone1: :D
[23:36] <dmcglone1> If it was up to me, I'd fire the whole city!
[23:37] <paultag> dmcglone1: Hahaha
[23:38] <dmcglone1> with my back the way it's been the past week, I could grab someone and just wring their neck.. :-/
[23:39] <dmcglone1> Unit193: what channel and who? (are you pulling my leg and telling me paul was in another channel?) :-)
[23:40]  * dmcglone1 some dumb not plumb dumb :-)
[23:40] <Unit193> paultag is there too, but I was thinking of another
[23:41] <dmcglone1> I see. he must be a Bostonian too..
[23:42] <paultag> Unit193: :)
[23:43] <paultag> hehe
[23:43] <Unit193> paultag: I'm sure you know who (To be fair, I still don't know you too well :) )
[23:43] <paultag> Unit193: what channel?
[23:44] <dmcglone1> Unit193: I suggest you get to know him! Great personality he has!
[23:44] <Unit193> paultag: We are in two of the same channels. #Zenix
[23:44] <paultag> Unit193: Ah, I know everyone in zenix
[23:44] <paultag> Unit193: bodhi/ibuclaw ?
[23:44] <Unit193> slacker_nl?
[23:44] <paultag> I like him. We don't talk much but he seems really nice
[23:44] <dmcglone1> paultag: Send your mom a dozen roses from me, and tell her she did a damn good job raising you! :-)
[23:45]  * Cheri703 now has a nook reserved for the 10th :D
[23:45] <paultag> dmcglone1: awww, will do :)
[23:45] <paultag> Cheri703: wooot!
[23:45]  * Cheri703 doesn't want to wait 2 weeks though
[23:45] <Unit193> I need to get to know more of the great people..
[23:45] <paultag> Cheri703: let me know if you can hack 'em :)
[23:46] <dmcglone1> is the nook for reading books?
[23:46] <Cheri703> I'll keep you posted
[23:46] <Cheri703> yeah dmcglone1 e-ink reader
[23:46] <Cheri703> I just told my brother that for his birthday present, I'll review the nook for him (the 10th is his bday)
[23:46] <dmcglone1> I see. I don't read that much because when I start I never stop and I hate that!
[23:46] <paultag> Cheri703: nice! They look so awesome
[23:47] <Cheri703> yeah, I'm excited
[23:47] <dmcglone1> how much do they run?
[23:47] <Cheri703> aaaand I can get to the B&N on the bus, so don't have to try to bum a ride :)
[23:47] <Cheri703> $139
[23:47] <Cheri703> dmcglone1: the new one was just announced tuesday
[23:47] <dmcglone1> dang. Do you have to rent or buy the books also?
[23:48] <paultag> I really want to turn that reader into a kickass feed digester
[23:48] <Cheri703> well...you can buy books from them, you can buy books from other sites, you can get free legal ebooks, you can "check out" ebooks from the library, ooooor you can download them from torrent sites :)
[23:49] <Cheri703> so there are several options
[23:49] <dmcglone1> or a kickass food digester ;-)
[23:50] <Unit193> paultag: I was talking about bodhi (Still don't know ibuclaw well)
[23:50] <paultag> Unit193: get to know ibuclaw, let him know you're friends with me
[23:50] <dmcglone1> I see. I'll stick to traditional means, I like to keep commerce around here healthy
[23:50] <paultag> Unit193: we go back about 3 years or so :)
[23:51]  * dmcglone1 is going to take a little break and stand up to loo
[23:51] <dmcglone1> loosen back
[23:52] <paultag> rock on
[23:52] <Cheri703> dmcglone1: standing up to loo = headed to the bathroom?
[23:52] <Cheri703> ;)
[23:52] <Cheri703> husband and I are headed to the farmer's market downtown tomorrow
[23:52] <Unit193> Might be hard standing
[23:52] <dmcglone1> takes me about 3 minutes to just get up!
[23:52] <Cheri703> apparently it's every friday til the end of september


[08:59] <trijntje> netiquette question: should I post a 'thank you' message on lp when a bug I filed gets fixed, or will that just annoy people because of the extra noise?
[10:53] <grmls> hi
[12:08] <veger> I have a problem with the newly uploaded mc package as reported by bug #952092. I think that the project page needs to be updated. What channel is the orrect one to get hold of someone who is able to fix this?
[12:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 952092 in mc "can't install mc - has unmet dependency on mc-data" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/952092
[12:09] <veger> or shoul I contact my sponsor?
[13:04]  * penguin42 wonders what to do with a difference in rendering of a file between libreoffice and callibra
[13:41] <yofel> penguin42: I would file a bug at bugs.kde.org against calligra - haven't yet seen a diff where calligra ended up doing it right and libreoffice not
[13:44] <hjd> Apart from changed line numbers, bug 682238, bug 945614 and bug 946973 have the same stacktrace. Should I pick the third bug when marking the others as duplicates since it contains more comments?
[13:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 682238 in jockey "File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/jockey/ui.py", line 448, in run " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682238
[13:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 945614 in jockey "Jockey-gtk doesn't start in 12.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945614
[13:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 946973 in jockey "0.9.7-0ubuntu2 : jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError in available(): 'Backend' object has no attribute 'handlers'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946973
[13:48] <Ampelbein> veger: About the mc issue - mc-data is a arch-all package and those only get built on i386. And since it's a NEW package, it needs manual processing. See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue
[14:06] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh, probably the best bet
[14:19] <penguin42> yofel: Although I wouldn't bet it landing in the middle of a discussion as to which one is correct for the format definition.
[14:19] <yofel> heh
[14:35] <veger> Ampelbein: so, we'll just have to wait until it is processed?
[14:54] <Ampelbein> veger: yes, I guess tomorrow an archive admin will look at it. Most are in their weekend currently.
[15:11] <veger> Ampelbein: ok, thank you
[15:55] <JohnNapster> hello
[15:55] <JohnNapster> hggdh: are you here?
[16:49] <JohnNapster> hello
[16:50] <JohnNapster> anyone else experiencing out-of-sync video and audio on ubuntu 12.04 beta1 ?
[16:50] <JohnNapster> flash videos on youtube
[16:50] <JohnNapster> on chromium, with adobe-flashplugin installed
[16:51] <JohnNapster> anyone?
[16:51] <JohnNapster> it works normally on 11.04
[16:52] <JohnNapster> i am dead?
[17:19] <trinikrono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Bugs
[17:20] <trinikrono> hey guys do we have anyone that can help mentor a small group of triagers we are attempting a bug jam
[18:28] <jtaylor> is bug subscription broken?
[18:28] <jtaylor> I'm subscribed to all new bugs of ogre and there were two reported but I got no mail
[18:30] <jtaylor> even 4 bugs :O
[19:48] <sfarnedi1> faccio un test richiestomi da  Paolo Rotolo e mi ricollego fra un quarto d'ora


 @AdamOutler, Same should go for Onyx
 Linux Kernel 4.8.14 is Official Now.   Reformatting before use
 Make a 200 GB file on your computer, take a md5sum of the file. Copy it to the drive, check the md5sum after ejecting the drive once and move the file back to your desktop and check the md5sum again
 Or use this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/737473/check-real-size-of-usb-thumb-drive
 I spell a load of BS as FAT32 should not be able to have a partition that large
 Edit : It does seem that it can take up to 8 TB partitions but the performance blows after 32 GB. Windows's built in tools will not handle anything above 32 GB however
 @AdamOutler http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/12/google-assistant-can-now-control-nest-thermostats-pixel-not-just-google-home/


[01:00] <nxvl> soren: ping
[01:20] <leonel> ScottK: django 1.0 has been released, the next step is wait for debain to make the package ?
[02:59] <ScottK> Or make one yourself.
[03:22] <chmac> Anyone know what package `dig` is in?
[03:23] <chmac> dnsutils :)
[03:24] <chmac> When I try to install dnsutils it tells me I also have to install bind9-host. I just want the dig command line application, is that necessary?
[03:25] <chmac> Is there another way to query mx records?
[03:29] <hads> bind9-host is tiny
[06:35] <soren> nxvl: What's up?
[06:36] <nxvl> soren: you use mutt, don't you?
[06:42] <soren> I do.
[06:42] <nxvl> with imap?
[06:45] <soren> Sometimes.
[06:45] <soren> I mostly use offlineimap, though.
[06:45] <nxvl> mm
[06:45] <nxvl> the question is: can i have my imap folders using mutt?
[06:46] <soren> Sure.
[06:46] <nxvl> and i need to declare all of them in the muttrc?
[06:46] <nxvl> or there is another way?
[06:46] <soren> I think so.
[06:46] <soren> offlineimap fixes that, though.
[06:46] <nxvl> that's a package?
[06:47] <nxvl> or a configuration?
[06:47] <soren> package
[06:47] <nxvl> a package
[06:47] <nxvl> got it
[06:47] <nxvl> i need to read more on the topic
[06:48] <nxvl> i'm using a mouse (a real one) after 4 months and i still put my finger on the trackpoint
[06:48] <nxvl> i don't get use to it
[06:48] <nxvl> :S
[06:48] <nxvl> going to bed for now
[06:49] <soren> Ok, goodnight!
[06:49] <soren> :)
[06:49] <nxvl> soren: i will ping you in the morning (afternoon for you, or something) so if you have any documentation, please have it closer :D
[06:49]  * nxvl HUGS soren
[06:49] <soren> nxvl: Sure thing :)
[07:39] <riham> Hi all,I have a question about how to reset the timeout for the connections in FIN_WAIT1 state?I know that we can change timeout for connections in FIN_WAIT2 state by changing tcp_fin_timeout, but what about FIN_WAIT1 state ?
[10:34] <incorrect> where can i find the docs for intrepid?
[10:40] <mdz> soren: any reason we shouldn't change the default memory size in KVM to something which allows our own installation CD to run? :-)
[10:47]  * delcoyote hi
[10:50] <soren> mdz: It's 128 now, right?
[10:50] <mdz> soren: yes
[10:50] <soren> mdz: I don't see any reason not to change it to whatever we feel like. We advise everyone to use libvirt which doesn't rely on any particular defaults, so we should be free to do whatever.
[10:51] <soren> mdz: What do you feel like instead? 256? 384?
[10:51]  * soren is a bit out of touch with the current requirements on the desktop, I'm afraid.
[10:52] <mdz> soren: 256 should work with current intrepid, 384 for 8.04 and earlier
[10:52] <mdz> soren: the libvirt tools don't have any defaults?   so you have to specify the memory size for every VM?
[10:52] <mdz> I must say I just use kvm myself and am happy doing it
[10:53] <soren> mdz: Oh, yes, the libvirt tools have defaults. They just don't rely on any particular defaults in kvm itself, which I thought was what we were talking about.
[10:53] <soren> mdz: I can change the defaults for libvirt-generated instances as well.
[10:54] <soren> s/as well/instead/ perhaps :)
[10:55] <mdz> soren: is libvirt smart enough to guess which OS you're trying to boot and select an appropriate default?
[10:55] <soren> mdz: No. You specify it when you're creating the vm.
[10:57] <soren> mdz: The amount of memory is not currently one of the per-os nor per-distro settings in virtinst, so it's a bit more involved than just changing a number.
[10:57] <soren> mdz: Could you file a bug against virtinst about this?
[11:04] <mdz> soren: I'm not that interested, was just curious about the state of the art
[11:20] <soren> mdz: Heh :) Ok.
[11:55] <_ruben> strange .. initializing a sw raid10 .. im only seeing full speed (i think) reads on the disks, no writes
[11:55] <_ruben> well .. very very little writes
[12:00] <acemo> does ubuntu-server automagicly lets cool'n'Quiet work or do i have to install something for that?
[12:05] <soren> acemo: cool'n'quiet?
[12:06] <acemo> amd's stuff to lower the speed of the cpu when the cpu isn't bussy
[12:08] <KillerKiwi2005> anybody here know about mod mono ?
[12:09] <soren> acemo: You probably want powernowd
[12:09] <acemo> soren: alright thanks
[13:49] <spiekey> howdy!
[13:49] <spiekey> has anyone an idea why my mails here get still logged into /var/log/messages?
[13:50] <spiekey> http://pastebin.com/m212e46ee  ?
[13:51] <soren> spiekey: Because your f_syslog only filters out auth and authpriv facilities?
[13:54] <spiekey> well, but filter f_messages should do.
[13:55] <spiekey> f_message: level(info,notice,warn) and not facility(auth,authpriv,cron,daemon,mail,news);
[13:55] <soren> Oh, sorry, I somehow managed to misread your question.
[13:56] <spiekey> no problemo ;)
[13:56] <spiekey> currently i log mail stuff into syslog, messages and mail.*
[13:56] <spiekey> this is way too much :P
[13:57] <spiekey> i want the mail stuff to be in mail.* only
[13:59] <zul> spiekey: modify your /etc/syslog.conf and you can customize it how you want
[13:59] <spiekey> zul: i want to use syslog-ng
[14:00] <zul> spiekey: then modify your syslog-ng config file and customize it how you want
[14:02] <spiekey> thanks for this tips
[14:02] <spiekey> guess what i am trying to do :P
[14:03] <spiekey> i have tried to customize my syslog-ng.conf but its not working as i expected. Thats why i am here for :)
[14:10] <mdz> soren: what is "kvm: emulating exchange as write" about?
[14:15] <ScottK> soren: IIRC mjg59 had a blog post recently about CPU throttling not necessesarily saving power.
[14:15]  * ScottK goes to see if he can find it.
[14:16] <soren> mdz: It's nothing to worry about. IIRC, it's about an instruction that needs to be emulated (cmpxchg), but kvm uses a write instruction instead, but since the pages in question should be read-only at that time, it's not a problem.
[14:23] <ScottK> soren: This is the one I was thinking of: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/88608.html
[14:24] <ScottK> So I guess I'd like to make sure powernowd is really going to help before we ship it.
[14:31] <soren> ScottK: interesting.
[14:32] <ScottK> Yeah.
[14:32] <soren> ScottK: He does point out, though, that the ondemand governor is a good thing. That's mostly what the powernowd package sets.
[14:32] <ScottK> OK.  I don't have a lot of knowledge, just wanted to make sure it was considered since it seems an area where the 'obvious' answer isn't always the correct one.
[15:53] <alpha232> I just recently installed -server kernel and it seems to hang after saying  "Starting Conexant HSF softmodem"
[15:54] <alpha232> i don't have one of those installed, and the login prompt never appears
[16:11] <simonlavallin> is anyone on this chanell
[16:12] <simonlavallin> I am a newbie and dont know if i am doing this properly
[16:18] <soren> alpha232, simonlavallin: Patience, children! Patience!
[16:55] <mdz> soren: can you help me understand what the kvm/evdev mess has to do with VNC?
[17:21] <jdstrand> mdz: fyi-- soren is afk for a bit
[17:32] <LMJ> Hi
[21:04] <Overand> I'm using UFW - and it doesn't sseem to be writing its rules out to any files.  It's *working* - but I don't see any rules created in a file anywhere.
[21:05] <Overand> I've even gone into /etc and done "grep -r (some port I opened up) *" and am not seeing squat
[21:05] <jdstrand> Overand: rules added via the 'ufw' command are added to /var/lib/ufw/*rules
[21:06] <didrocks> jdstrand: I have pushed a new version of ufw btw
[21:06] <didrocks> normally, this is the final one regarding case insensitive implementation
[21:07] <jdstrand> didrocks: ok. I will likely not be able to get to it til early next week, but a big thanks
[21:07] <didrocks> I added lot of tests
[21:07] <didrocks> jdstrand: not a problem.   I want to replace the 2 Windows servers on this school's network but i have to make sure that I get all the services changed over to ubuntu (woot).  Anybody done this before?
[21:37] <ScottK> Shitakeguy: People have done it before, but it takes some planning and testing.
[21:37] <jmedina> Shitakeguy: depends on the services
[21:37] <ScottK> What services do you have to replace?
[21:38] <Shitakeguy> LOL I'm actually not sure...  which is where the problem stems from...
[21:39] <Shitakeguy> crap... that server isn't available on the net.
[21:40] <NCommander> Shitakeguy, if its just a file server, its fessiable to possibly replace it with SAMBA, If its an AD master, I won't try it
[21:40] <jmedina> probably it is a AD without GPOs, so a simple domain controller
[21:41] <NCommander> Well, you could emulate AD functionality with an LDAP server, but you still would have to rejoin every client last time I checked
[21:41] <NCommander> (and managing an LDAP server is still a pain compared to Active Directory)
[21:42] <NCommander> (AD is awesome just because when it works, its perfect. Its when one of the DCs ****s itself do you have issues)
[21:42] <Shitakeguy> DCs?
[21:42] <NCommander> Domain Controllers
[21:42] <arakthor> domain controllers
[21:42] <Shitakeguy> gotcha.  duh
[21:43] <IntuitiveNipple> You can add Samba DC into an existing AD domain and then demote the current master and have Samba take over... there's documentation somewhere about it :)
[21:43] <NCommander> Microsoft's GPO/AD server side stuff pretty much blows everything else away in terms of set it and forget it tech
[21:43] <jmedina> there are trick to move one user from one domain to other, and changes the SID in the windows registriy en everything
[21:43] <NCommander> IntuitiveNipple, Samba emulates an NT4 master
[21:43] <NCommander> IntuitiveNipple, if your running in 2000 or 2003 Native Mode, thats not going to cut it anymore
[21:43] <ScottK> And Samba 4 isn't there yet ...
[21:44] <Shitakeguy> o.k. from what I understand the only thing that my boss knows that the controllers do is to ...  run successmaker, and...
[21:44] <Shitakeguy> well... oh!  the other one has a halfassed setup file server.  with like 20 network mounted drives that nobody uses, or understands, or knows why they are there.
[21:45] <Shitakeguy> most don't know that it's there at all...
[21:45] <NCommander> The file server easy enough to replace
[21:45]  * NCommander uses Samba over NFS these days since its so easy to setup
[21:46] <Shitakeguy> Dude!  I was at A&M university and they have this cabinet with 40  18-gig HD's setup inside and also some kind of ... looked like a hard-drive carousel...
[21:46] <Shitakeguy> Sorry... hehe.  I'm going to put that thing on the NEW IMPROVED file server.
[21:46] <arakthor> that nobody uses?
[21:46] <arakthor> :p
[21:47] <arakthor> cool idea though, got any pics?
[21:47] <Shitakeguy> yeah.  they donate their old equipment to schools and stuff.
[21:47] <Shitakeguy> I work at a school.
[21:48] <Shitakeguy> They had two cabinets that looked the same size, but they had covers on them.  2 Silicon Graphics ones and a sun microsystems one.
[21:51] <Shitakeguy> is there a command to write the irc log to a file right now so i can save this?
[21:51] <IntuitiveNipple> I've seen it done - native 2003 - there was something else on the Linux side besides Samba... http://nitrobit.com/grouppolicy.html
[21:52] <Shitakeguy> ewwww
[21:53] <Shitakeguy> good.  they have 2003 servers here... when you say  'native 2003'...  talk low tech to me.
[21:53] <Shitakeguy> that nitrobit URL did give me wood though.
[21:53] <Shitakeguy> thanks
[21:53] <jmedina> GPOs are good, with samba and only opensource you need to use poledit (wich sucks)
[21:54] <jmedina> nitrobit looks promising
[21:55] <Shitakeguy> GPOs?
[21:55] <Shitakeguy> but yes.  nitrobit looks tasty
[21:57] <bogey_> This is a bit like suse enterprise
[22:51] <spiritssight> Any one here that got some time helping a very new person to get setup and make sure is working correctly so that can serve a non-profit website
[23:08] <kees> and people say perl is unreadable...         if not 'nx' in [x[x.find(': ')+2:] for x in open("/proc/cpuinfo").read().splitlines() if x.startswith('flags')][0].split(' '):
[23:09] <ajmitch> kees: what's wrong with that? :)
[23:09] <kees> hehe, well, I can read it (I wrote it) but it made me feel like I was writing Perl again
[23:09] <ajmitch> it is a little compact...
[23:10] <ajmitch> but list comprehensions are useful like that
[23:10] <kees> actually, I can lose the read().splitlines() part
[23:10] <ajmitch> readlines?
[23:10] <kees> just open()
[23:10] <ajmitch> ah, you can iterate over that by line, can you?
[23:11]  * ajmitch didn't know that
[23:11] <kees> in list context it does the same a read().splitlines()
[23:11]  * kees nods
[23:11] <ScottK> Well you can write Python that's unreadable, but it takes work.  Similarly you can write Perl that's readable.  That also takes work.
[23:12] <kees> heheh
[23:13] <boshhead> Umm, that's perl?
[23:13] <ajmitch> so there's no flag where 'nx' can appear as part of the string?
[23:14] <boshhead> Oh, that's not perl. Okay :) I thought I was losing it for a second.
[23:14] <kees> ajmitch: my code breaks the flag list into an array.
[23:14] <kees> ajmitch: if 'nx' in ['anx','nxb']:
[23:14] <kees> will fail, e.g.
[23:15] <ajmitch> right, I should have read the bit that irssi wrapped :)
[23:15] <kees> heh