[19:53] <saulus> I always wonder what is best: apt, apt-get, aptitude? I like aptitude the most because its a swiss-army knife all-in-one-tool without super cow powers. However according to wiki apt is the human interface for the apt api, the recommended way of dealing with dpkg.   But I think it's the nvidia graphics card that's the problem.
[19:53] <k1l> saulus: apt is the new apt-get grouping apt-get, apt-cache etc into one command
[19:53] <millerti> Yeah, I seem to be at a login prompt.
[19:54] <saulus> k1l: why does apt then recommend to use apt-get autoremove?
[19:55] <k1l> saulus: apt autoremove is there
[19:55] <millerti> So I've logged in as the primary user, and I can ping and catch it on another machine by wireshark.  So I know the IP address.  I had earlier installed opensshd blind, but I can't get in.  What can I do by command line to enable ssh login remotely?
[19:55] <millerti> Typing blind, that is.
[19:55] <saulus> k1l: ah, just found it. And what about aptitude?
[19:55] <k1l> saulus: maybe some texts or tanslations are not changed yet
[19:56] <k1l> saulus: i dont aptitude and aptitude had massive issues with multiarch.
[19:56] <k1l> aptitude is not included in the standard install because of that anymore
[19:56] <saulus> k1l: aptitude has a nice cli interface with good dependency resolution. It often detects that dependencies are lacking when being started. Maybe these are false positives?
[19:56] <dax> "apt autoremove" may or may not exist depending on what version you're using
[19:56] <dax> aptitude does not currently have multiarch issues
[19:57] <dax> aptitude's default configuration installs suggests unlike other tools, for some crazy reason i never figured out
[19:57] <dax> (it's a relatively new and deliberate decision, I don't know what they were thinking)
[19:57] <saulus> k1l: multiarch meaning my intel x64 is working fine but on some other hardware it lacks support?
[19:57] <dax> saulus: multiarch is installing, say, 32-bit i386 applications on 64-bit systems
[19:58] <k1l> saulus: no, multiarch means your 64bit OS can use 32bit stuff. that means the apt* tool needs to handle that correctly.
[19:58] <saulus> ah.
[19:59] <saulus> and dax you say aptitude does not have any disadvantages? I always was happy using it. Now I try to get used to apt. But aptitude install _packagename and other features are sooo handy.
[19:59] <dax> The main disadvantage of using aptitude on Ubuntu is that Ubuntu people tend to dislike it and provide inaccurate or no information if you need help with it.
[19:59] <dax> Basically, apt-get and now apt are strongly recommended instead, and thus aptitude is not frequently used or well-supported.
[20:00] <dax> It works fine assuming you configure it correctly, though.
[20:00] <dax> for example, by adding somewhere in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ the line Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false";
[20:00] <saulus> I wonder why apt has been invented. Aptitude is so good. Why not fixing it if there are some problems. Why inventing a new apt* program to confuse the users - haha.
[20:00] <dax> apt is better than apt-get, and most people who want a graphical-style interface just use synaptic or something else in the GUI
[20:01] <saulus> not via ssh.
[20:01] <dax> indeed
[20:01] <saulus> I rarely use the ui but even that is part of aptitue
[20:01] <k1l> saulus: you are free to use, what you want. ubuntu ships aptitude, but its not preinstalled.
[20:01] <saulus> now i use apt for 1year and still am feeling not so super happy
[20:01] <saulus> k1l: right
[20:02] <dax> personally i've switched from aptitude towards apt and apt-mark with ansible because the GUI is not very useful when you have to do the same thing on a bunch of servers
[20:02] <dax> but tastes and needs differ, and aptitude is installable and will work, notwithstanding its upstream making decisions that I consider a bit insane
[20:02] <Karthick> I am trying to modify my old wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com/karthick87) and noticed that i am not able to modify it. Is there any recent change is editing the wiki?
[20:02] <dax> Karthick: not so much recent, but yes, they locked it down due to spam
[20:02] <k1l> i dont know about recent changes to repo signing etc. but i guess aptitude followed the apt path there?!
[20:03] <dax> k1l: they weren't at the apt/aptitude level, they were at the APT library level
[20:03] <dax> so yes, both behave the same there
[20:03] <saulus> another - if you aks mee - poor decision was to remove f-spot in favor of shotwell
[20:04] <dax> Karthick: (I am unsure of how to get around that or who to talk to, someone else here may know)
[20:04] <Karthick> dax, thank you
[20:04] <ppf> saulus: there was no decision. f-spot is unmaintained
[20:04] <OerHeks> he most recent version of F-Spot is 0.8.2, released December 19, 2010....
[20:04] <k1l> saulus: the standard installs cant be satisfy everyone. there are always reasons and discussions when things get changed. that still can be found
[20:06] <saulus> ppf: it is not. f-spot is actively developed and even I fixed some bugs recently. Its on github and better than ever
[20:06] <k1l> Karthick: i would talk to the documentation/wiki team
[20:06] <Karthick> k1l, thank you :-)
[20:06] <saulus> https://github.com/mono/f-spot Latest commit 18 days ago
[20:07] <k1l> saulus: f-spot is not even included since 14.04
[20:08] <k1l> saulus: if you look at the graph on github you can imagine why that was removed
[20:09] <dminuoso> nacc: I figured it out.  I was using old packages for years until I found that its continued on github and not on gnome.
[20:09] <saulus> k1l: what do you mean about the graph?
[20:09] <ppf> development seized in 2010
[20:11] <DocMAX> how can i fix this line??
[20:11] <DocMAX> audit[6424]: AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/proc/6424/status" pid=6424 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=111 ouid=111
[20:11] <k1l> saulus: just because there is now some action on github doesnt mean there was development all the time.
[20:14] <k1l> saulus: https://packages.qa.debian.org/f/f-spot/news/20141102T133358Z.html
[20:15] <saulus> ROM; unmaintained, dead upstream, RC-buggy, depends on obsolete libs <-- These reasons are all not true anymore. Sure its not free of bugs. Its software :-D
[20:15] <ester> ciao
[20:15] <ester> !list
[20:16] <millerti> Well, I booted knoppix to edit /etc/default/grub to force it to use a text console, and then I booted up and logged in blind to do a grub-update, but my console is still just blank.
[20:16] <bjorn__> Bonsoir, j'ai un problème concernant ssh avec la dernière version dispo je me permet de la poser
[20:16] <ioria> millerti, you don't need knoppix, just Recovery mode
[20:17] <millerti> ioria: It's just that I happened to have that on a USB stick.  Neither here nor there.
[20:17] <EriC^^> !fr | bjorn__
[20:17] <k1l> saulus: then step up und become a maintainer for f-spot if you think its worth it :) debian and ubuntu repos will thank you :)
[20:18] <ioria> millerti, try recovery -> root shell
[20:18] <bjorn__> I've installed and configured Ubuntu Server 16.04 (i believe), when i type "ifconfig" ssh is on but i can't connect if i do : ssh id@ip
[20:18] <saulus> k1l: what are my responsibilities if I do that?
[20:19] <bjorn__> Hi guyd*
[20:19] <bjorn__> guys*
[20:19] <ppf> bjorn__: "ssh is on"?
[20:19] <k1l> !motu | saulus
[20:19] <k1l> bjorn__: "lsb_release -d" will tell you the ubuntu release you are using
[20:19] <ioria> saulus, there is a ppa for xenial if you want https://launchpad.net/~christopher-hoskin/+archive/ubuntu/f-spot
[20:19] <bjorn__> I mean he's working when i do sudo service ssh status
[20:20] <bjorn__> Ok i'll see that
[20:20] <ppf> 16.04 doesn't use "service" anymore
[20:20] <ioria> bjorn__, how can you know about ssh from ifconfig ?
[20:20] <k1l> ppf: it still works. since its a wrapper
[20:21] <bjorn__> ioria oh sorry i mean i've did ifconfig for seeing the server ip
[20:21] <ppf> k1l: true story!
[20:21] <ioria> bjorn__,  better 'ip a'
[20:21] <bjorn__> ip -a ?
[20:22] <ioria> bjorn__,  yup
[20:22] <bjorn__> Oh yeah i see
[20:22] <bjorn__> Than you for the tip
[20:22] <ioria> lol
[20:22] <k1l> bjorn__: you dont try to ssh to root@ip right?
[20:22] <saulus> thanks ioria. That repo is already much better than the 14.04 version but does not contain my fixed ;-)
[20:22] <bjorn__> right.
[20:22] <bjorn__> thank you*
[20:22] <ioria> saulus, contact the mainteiner
[20:22] <k1l> bjorn__: is this a local network?
[20:23] <saulus> ioria: good point
[20:23] <bjorn__> How can i see that i'm not sure k1l
[20:23] <bjorn__> No i've not tried root@ip
[20:24] <ioria> bjorn__,  you're connecting from ? what ?
[20:24] <k1l> bjorn__: dont use root@ip. that is blocked
[20:25] <k1l> bjorn__: and where is the server? on the internet? or at your home?
[20:25] <bjorn__> ioria : from a VM (virtualbox)
[20:25] <bjorn__> I've forgotten to say it
[20:25] <bjorn__> k1l : ok, at my home
[20:26] <k1l> bjorn__: so you try to ssh from your coputer to a VM on the same computer?
[20:26] <ioria> bjorn__,   ssh user@server_ip   what gives you ?
[20:26] <bjorn__> AN infinite load
[20:26] <bjorn__> k1l : yes
[20:26] <DocMAX> how can i fix this line??
[20:26] <DocMAX> audit[6424]: AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/proc/6424/status" pid=6424 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=111 ouid=111
[20:26] <ppf> DocMAX: fix your apparmor profile
[20:27] <bjorn__> that's not a problem ? i'm following this video for DVWA : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BG6iq_AUvM
[20:27] <ioria> bjorn__,   can you ping the ip ?
[20:27] <DocMAX> yes its the standard profile for mysql... but i dont know what to do there
[20:27] <Hack5190> bjorn__: do you have console access to the system?  if yes, have you tried ssh into the system (using the IP) to verify SSH is working.
[20:27] <bjorn__> ioria : i've did it, packet are lost
[20:28] <ioria> bjorn__,   not an ssh issue, then
[20:28] <bjorn__> Hack5190 : i'm doing it... it work
[20:28] <bjorn__> ioria : yess :)
[20:29] <ioria> bjorn__,   §_§
[20:29] <xerf> hello
[20:29] <bjorn__> I've retried in my computer (not my vm this time), not working -_-
[20:29] <Hack5190> have you tried all this after disabling the firewall on the server?
[20:30] <ioria> bjorn__,   right, ufw is on ?
[20:30] <bjorn__> I've not disabled the firewall Hack5190
[20:30] <Hack5190> sudo ufw disable
[20:30] <bjorn__> i'll see if he's on
[20:30] <xerf> it looks like Xorg is scaling my mouse cursor up (2x) for general desktop, but when my cursor is inside an app like firefox, it's normal sized.  Is there a way I can tell Ubuntu to not try to change the cursor size even if I have an HIDPI monitor?
[20:30] <ioria> bjorn__,   sudo ufw  status
[20:30] <bjorn__> ok
[20:31] <bjorn__> he's inactive
[20:31] <bjorn__> i'm not a pro, but that's weird
[20:31] <ioria> bjorn__,   if you can't ping the server ip ... it'a a net config problem .... i guess
[20:32] <Hack5190> ssh works locally, no firewall running - i'm w/ioria:, you have a network issue
[20:32] <bjorn__> Oh.. how can i find and fix it ?
[20:33] <ioria> bjorn__,   unless openssh-server it's not running ....
[20:33] <bjorn__> network : NAT (default VM config)
[20:33] <DocMAX> ppf found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bug/1658233
[20:34] <Hack5190> please hold while I transfer you to the virtualization support department
[20:34] <bjorn__> openssh-server need something ?
[20:35] <ioria> bjorn__,   nope, just to be running
[20:35] <bjorn__> how can i see ? sudo service openssh-server status ?
[20:35] <Hack5190> so you can't ping or SSH from your machine to the server - right?
[20:36] <ioria> bjorn__,   ps -A | grep ssh
[20:36] <Hack5190> can you ping / trace route from the server to your machine?
[20:36] <bjorn__> I don't need to edit something in /etc/ssh/sshd_config right ?
[20:36] <bjorn__> Hack5190 right
[20:36] <pavlos> sudo systemctl status sshd
[20:37] <bjorn__> Hack5190 i'll see if i can wait a sec
[20:37] <bjorn__> ok pavlos i'll do it to
[20:37] <bjorn__> pavlos : it's running
[20:37] <pavlos> good
[20:38] <Nixenos> whats up?
[20:38] <bjorn__> Hack5190 i can ping my machine from my server
[20:39] <Hack5190> from your machine, can you ping the VM machine that is hosting the server
[20:40] <bjorn__> I'm trying a ssh -vvv id@ip
[20:41] <bjorn__> Hack5190 i've not understood sorry
[20:41] <Hack5190> the server running ssh, its a virtual machine correct?
[20:42] <Nixenos> guyz, do you know if I can create virtualbox machines from cli on text-only server?
[20:43] <bjorn__> Hack5190 correct
[20:43] <bjorn__> ssh -v ip@ ip : bjorn@system:~$
[20:43] <bjorn__> bjorn@system:~$ ssh -vvv<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:43] <bjorn__> OpenSSH_7.2p2 Ubuntu-4ubuntu2.1, OpenSSL 1.0.2g  1 Mar 2016
[20:43] <bjorn__> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[20:43] <bjorn__> debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for *
[20:43] <ioria> Nixenos, kvm
[20:44] <Hack5190> OK, so the VM (your SSH server) has 1 IP and the machine hosting that VM has 1 IP.
[20:44] <ioria> bjorn__,   use paste.ubuntu.com
[20:44] <Hack5190> You can't ping the IP of the SSH VM.
[20:44] <pavlos> Nixenos, http://xmodulo.com/how-to-create-and-start-virtualbox-vm-without-gui.html
[20:44] <Hack5190> Can you ping the IP of the machine hosting the VM?
[20:44] <bjorn__> Hack5190 i'll try
[20:44] <bjorn__> ioria yeah sorry
[20:46] <bjorn__> Hack5190 so if i've understood i ping my own machine ?
[20:46] <Hack5190> is this server running SSH hosted on your machine?
[20:47] <ppf> bjorn__:can you paste "ip a" both inside your vm and outside, please
[20:47] <ioria> bjorn__,  did you "Bridged" in the vm settings ?
[20:48] <darkl0rd> Hi guys - I'm running into a problem with the way cross-compilers are packages in Ubuntu 16.04. When I install the cross-compilers for powerpc/arm etc, I am no longer able to install gcc-multilib -- which I also need for the sake of building x86 (i386) on x86_64 (amd64)
[20:49] <darkl0rd> Currently the cross compiler packages cannot co-exist with gcc-multilib.
[20:50] <ppf> darkl0rd: which packages are you talking about?
[20:51] <xerf> hello
[20:51] <xerf> I have a weird mouse scaling issue if someone has time
[20:51] <Ben64> xerf: best to fully describe the issue and wait for a response
[20:52] <xerf> Ben64:  no prob...
[20:52] <Hack5190> xerf: the issue isn't time, it's does anyone know the answer.   As Ben64: said - describe the issue...
[20:53] <xerf> I'm running Ubuntu 16.10 + Cinnamon DE.  My mouse theme (black cursors) works within apps (firefox, terminal, etc.) but when on the desktop or working with the window border, the mouse is stuck at adwala theme and looks to be 2x size
[20:53] <xerf> how can I get the cursor theme consistent (and smaller!) across everything
[20:55] <bjorn__> So...
[20:56] <Hack5190> bjorn__ so what?
[20:58] <bjorn__> Hack5190 how can i fix my problem ?
[20:58] <bjorn__> I sent the paste, have you saw it ?
[20:58] <bjorn__> here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/24230744/
[20:59] <ppf> there's no network connection to your vm. you need to configure that through virtualbox
[20:59] <pavlos> bjorn__, so you're trying to ssh from .59 to one of the vmnet interfaces?
[21:00] <darkl0rd> ppc: for instance, crossbuild-essential-arm64 cannot co-exist with gcc-multilib.
[21:03] <ppf> darkl0rd: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-defaults/+bug/1300211
[21:03] <ppf> seems to be unsolved
[21:04] <darkl0rd> ppf: hmm, now I feel stupid - I didn't find that one, and I searched...
[21:04] <darkl0rd> sorry for that
[21:08] <Hack5190> bjorn__ looked at the info - your machine is on the a92.168.1.x network, correct
[21:10] <Hack5190> and he's gone :(
[21:25] <L72g5sSq> Single system image development seems basically dead. What do people use nowadays?
[21:41] <qital> what would cause a ntfs partion to become unknown in 16.04 but work in 12.04?
[21:43] <k1l> qital: what does "unknown" mean exactly?
[21:44] <scooterd> Bashing-om you here ??
[21:44] <qital> i dunno i guess linux does not know the file system in use
[21:44] <k1l> qital: in use where? can you explain the setup and what program in use where etc?
[21:45] <qital> unknown partion in the disk manager
[21:45] <k1l> qital: so you run a live ubuntu usb? and it doesnt see the windows partition from the windows installed on the system?
[21:45] <qital> yes
[21:46] <k1l> can you provide a "sudo parted -l" output on paste.ubuntu.com  and show the link here?
[21:47] <home> how does one make pulseaudio discover bluetoooth a2dp automatically?
[21:47] <qital> i am in windows atm lol :)
[21:48] <minimec> qital: Check that is the package 'ntfs-3g' is installed?
[21:48] <qital> will do i just got to download something and reboot
[21:50] <qital> @kill what does "sudo parted -l" do i don't want to loose my data
[21:51] <k1l> qital: it lists the partition and disk scheme
[21:51] <k1l> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/parted.8.html
[21:51] <qital> k i shall reboot
[21:52] <qital> see you later
[21:56] <brny> Guys, quick question:
[21:56] <brny> How do I create an Alias in Linux? I want to create one to call a bash file  For example: I want to create an Alias, called College and when it runs, it calls a bash file named ShellBash.  Thanks in advance! I appreciate it!
[21:58] <minimec> brny: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17536/how-do-i-create-a-permanent-bash-alias
[22:04] <brny> @minimec: Thanks!
[22:08] <qital> hello again
[22:08] <qital> @minimec ntfs-3g is installed
[22:10] <minimec> qital: So I would fallow of k1l and check for eventual errors with "sudo parted -l"...
[22:11] <qital> @k1l here is the parted  info for the drive in question http://pastebin.com/4UHSysid
[22:12] <k1l> qital: so i dont see any issue there.
[22:12] <qital> dpartion does not show and can not be mounted
[22:13] <qital> partion type: unknown
[22:14] <k1l> qital: where exactly?
[22:14] <qital> in disks
[22:15] <k1l> can you show a screenshot on imgur?
[22:15] <qital> ??? why
[22:17] <qital> guess i jsut use the old ubuntu thanks for trying to help anyways :D
[22:17] <k1l> qital: because i cant recreate your issue.
[22:18] <qital> how could you recreate my issue if you don't have the same hardware?
[22:18] <qital> something must have changed in ubuntu to make it less able to read ntfs drives i guess
[22:18] <qital> its no biggie i guess i can jsut use the older version
[22:18] <qital> that seems to work
[22:19] <k1l> only thing i can think of is, that its a new windows that still uses the fake-shutdown to fake a faster reboot time. but you dont seem to want to provide any more info on that, so good luck with that.
[22:19] <qital> ?
[22:19] <qital> ubuntu 12.04 works
[22:19] <qital> don't think its windows
[22:19] <k1l> windows introduces the fake reboot feature after 2012.
[22:20] <qital> its not that
[22:21] <qital> its something in the newer ubuntu
[22:21] <Jordan_U> qital: Please pastebin the output of "sudo blkid". It's a command that lists all detected filesystems.
[22:21] <qital> sec
[22:23] <qital> @jordan U it does not detect the partion in question
[22:25] <Jordan_U> qital: That makes me think that the filesystem is missing the ntfs signatures. Does a Windows chkdsk report any errors for that volume?
[22:26] <qital> @jordan i ran chkdsk and it was fine i think
[22:26] <qital> drive does have two sectors bad though
[22:26] <qital> drive is ok though
[22:27] <qital> assesment OK
[22:27] <qital> i do get some logical block errors on boots though
[22:27] <qital> i think its the drive in question
[22:28] <supusrs> Is there anything stupendous about MATE 1.18 or anything else to justify an upgrade from 16.04.2?
[22:30] <minimec> supusrs: As far as I know, the move to gtk3 is complete... And other stuff ... https://mate-desktop.org/blog/2017-03-13-mate-1-18-released/
[22:30] <Jordan_U> qital: If those logical block errors are in the block that contains the filesystem signature then that would prevent linux from detecting that the volume is an ntfs filesystem. Linux has a lot more filesystems that it can mount, so I wouldn't be surprised if Windows is just assuming the drive is ntfs even though the signatures can't be read. Does "sudo blkid /dev/sda1" output anything? If so, please
[22:30] <supusrs> Ah, yes.  The total gtk3 would be an advantage.  Tnx for the reminder.
[22:30] <Jordan_U> pastebin exactly what it outputs.
[22:31] <qital> @jordan u it outputs nothing
[22:33] <qital> seems like i always have some problem with linux :(
[22:33] <Jordan_U> qital: Then I would indeed first suspect a problem with the filesystem.
[22:33] <qital> way to repair without loosing files?
[22:35] <qital> at least its not as annoying problem as when my system just freezes up and i can't do anything :P
[22:35] <Jordan_U> qital: First, if you have any important data on that drive you should back it up *now*. Having no backups of any important data is a bad idea, even moreso when you're getting errors about bad blocks.
[22:35] <qital> yeah i have msot of the data backed up
[22:36] <qital> i think i need an extra HDD running out of space
[22:36] <Dr-007> how can i place a script into background? i've been trying to ./script.sh &    .. but it doesn't work for this script, the script should infinitely execute itself every 5 seconds, so its sleeping an restarting
[22:37] <Dr-007> (the & isnt working, daemoninzing is this, right?)
[22:37] <mutante> uses proprietary Microsoft software, has trouble with it. blames Linux.
[22:37] <qital> when my systym is slow or unresponsive what do i do to fix it?
[22:37] <qital> which method do i use
[22:38] <mutante> qital: you can use "top" to find running processes, similar to task manager
[22:38] <Jordan_U> qital: If the files were very important and you had a drive large enough I would recommend backing up the drive to a file on another drive using GNU ddrescue then trying to repair the image. If it's already backed up and not very important then I'd just look further into what is causing the bad block errors. What does the S.M.A.R.T. data say?
[22:38] <qital> @jordan u k
[22:38] <qital> @mutante terminal will not work cpu is like maxed out or something
[22:38] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: In what way is it not working?
[22:39] <Dr-007> ChaitRex, other scripts actually goto background and i can resume typing commando;s in CLI
[22:39] <Dr-007> this one sticks, doesn't goto background
[22:39] <mutante> qital: in that case i would try logging on non-graphical login. Alt + F2 or other F keys until you get a text prompt. try loggin in there
[22:39] <k1l> a failing disk can make the system unusable when it spams errors.
[22:39] <Jordan_U> qital: Well, before you can fix the problem you need to diagnose it. I would first monitor your RAM usage while trying to reproduce the problem, and look at the output of "dmesg" after the freeze is over looking for errros (if you're running out of RAM you'll likely see messages from the OOM killer).
[22:39] <qital> ok
[22:39] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Have you tried typing `echo hello` and pressing Enter after starting the script?
[22:40] <qital> @jordan u happans when i have a lot of browser windows open
[22:40] <Dr-007> which means my main.sh script will not go further, but hang on this particular daemon-failing script
[22:40] <mutante> qital: can also be broken RAM stick
[22:40] <k1l> but backup should be priority nr. 1 now.
[22:40] <Dr-007> ChaitRex, no
[22:40] <Dr-007> let me try that
[22:40] <qital> like it does not happan in windows but happans alot in ubuntu
[22:40] <qital> and also video palyback is a problem
[22:41] <qital> the video will freeze but audio will continue
[22:41] <qital> and i can't exit the page
[22:41] <qital> lol so many problems :)
[22:42] <qital> newer ubuntu seems to work better though in this case
[22:44] <qital> do you guys reccomend i install the nvdia driver and the intel op code driver?
[22:45] <qital> or should i stick with the stock ones?
[22:47] <szprot> when will flash player 25 be added to the repos?
[22:48] <qital> anyways guys thanks for the help
[22:49] <minimec> qital: depends on the GPU you have. With never ones, you better use the nvidia driver.
[22:50] <OerHeks> szprot, it is in beta (  http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer.html )  so wait for the real release .. btw flash is dead
[22:50] <szprot> i know
[22:50] <szprot> but every webpage is asking me for it
[22:50] <szprot> its annoying
[22:51] <szprot> how long will it take before it is released for the repos?
[22:51] <mutante> every? i've been surfing for months without needing flashplayer anymore.. and so glad about it
[22:52] <sliddis2> this is gnome. why is one window title white and the other black? http://imgur.com/a/HbM7y
[22:52] <OerHeks> szprpt, follow the flashplugin-installer on launchpad
[22:52] <Dr-007> ChaitRex, doesn't work, the daemon script is called in another script. i want it to be a process in the background while my main script continues executing its stuff
[22:53] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Try putting `echo hello` on the line after it in the script. See if it's actually backgrounded or not.
[22:53] <k1l> sliddis2: is it the active-inactive from the theme you use?
[22:54] <k1l> sliddis2: or is it gtk3 vs gtk2? and the theme doesnt provide gtk2?
[22:56] <sliddis2> k1l: no its not active and inactive window, they always look like that. i just applied a theme
[22:56] <sliddis2> k1l: i dont know what gtk is
[22:57] <thingevery> noob question here, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask...
[22:57] <k1l> sliddis2: gtk is the "theme version" from the gnome desktop. some programs still use the old gtk2 and if the theme doesnt support that, the program will have wrong colors
[22:58] <thingevery> I'm trying to make a persistent ubuntu USB...
[22:58] <thingevery> after booting to the USB, I choose install ubuntu...
[22:58] <thingevery> is it ok to choose the 'erase and install' option?
[22:58] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex: this is executed from my PHP: "./reboot_after_lock.sh & `echo hello`" ... this is in CLI afterwards: "sh: hello: not found", and this is in `ps | grep reboot`="{reboot_after_lo} /bin/sh ./reboot_after_lock.sh"
[22:58] <thingevery> I don't want to install on my HD, just in case
[22:59] <k1l> thingevery: a persitence usb is something different. it is still a live usb but the changes are stored. you sound like you want to install a real install onto an usb.
[22:59] <thingevery> ok
[23:00] <thingevery> what's the difference?
[23:00] <ChaiTRex> Dr-007: Then it's getting past that line.
[23:01] <k1l> the live system is running in the ram. it ships all drivers to run on different systems. but its slower. if you isntall onto usb its more tied to that system. but it needs a lot of more space.
[23:02] <thingevery> ok.  I'm using a 64GB USB.  Should be plenty, right?
[23:02] <k1l> yes
[23:02] <k1l> but you need a second usb to install onto that 64gb usb
[23:04] <thingevery> ok, thanks.  I'll look around for a tutorial
[23:07] <Dr-007> ChaiTRex, i'm going to alias reboot to reboob
[23:07] <Dr-007> and treat my router like an old wife
[23:07]  * Dr-007 puts his router in the kitchen
[23:08] <Dr-007> oh, i didnt even notice i've asked in the wrong channel
[23:20] <kc8hfi_> Here is someething interesting to ponder:  we got this dell precision laptop preinstalled with ubuntu 16.  we turned it on and let it do its thing - showin a little video of ubuntu and stuff like that.   after that, sittin at the login screen, the only user available is called guest.
[23:20] <kc8hfi_> what happened to it asking to create a user and setting the time zone and stuff like that?
[23:21] <kc8hfi_> OR, did somebody click something along the way to bypass that?
[23:23] <mutante> co-workers tend to troll when somebody leaves unlocked laptop
[23:23] <xangua> kc8hfi_: never seen an OEM install that showed a video if that's what you mean
[23:25] <nacc> kc8hfi_: is it dell's image?
[23:25] <nacc> iirc, dell has their own thing basically, not stock ubuntu
[23:27] <Uluru> Hello, I'd like to switch to a Linux distribution from Windows. I've played with Ubuntu 16.10 all day and I would like to confirm a few things please.
[23:28] <Bashing-om> Uluru: Sure, ask away .
[23:28] <Uluru> I use the G502 mouse, is it possible to get any sort of support on Ubuntu or will I have to change settings in a Windows virtual environment?
[23:28] <kc8hfi_> nacc: yeah, its their stock image...
[23:29] <kc8hfi_> nacc: but I swear on another lapotop just like that one their image stopped and asked for user creation and all that good stuff
[23:29] <kc8hfi_> nacc: is there a way to rerun that setup page where it asks for time zone, language, and stuff like that?
[23:29] <Uluru> I also use the Corsair H100i V2 cooler and  I read that settings made in Windows will stick on a Linux distribution. Is this correct please?
[23:29] <mutante> Uluru: i think xinput and this might help http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Set_up_Gaming_Mouse
[23:29] <nacc> kc8hfi_: i have no idea -- that's probalby an an OEM question (as in, you'd need to ask dell)
[23:30] <kc8hfi_> nacc: i just did a vm install,  how do i rerun that piece for time zone selection, user creation and all that??
[23:30] <Uluru> mutante: thanks very much :)
[23:31] <nacc> kc8hfi_: i don't think you can, that's part of the installer (afaik)
[23:31] <minimec> Uluru: Looks like you need a Windows/MAC amchine to store the macros on the G502 device. https://www.reddit.com/r/G502MasterRace/comments/3tl1d8/g502_on_linux/
[23:32] <kc8hfi_> nacc: hmm, ok.
[23:32] <kc8hfi_> nacc: the login screen shows the username that I created.  there is a Guest Session option here
[23:32] <kc8hfi_> nacc:
[23:33] <Uluru> minimec: Ah gotcha, thank you :) - I'll prepare my system tonight and make the switch tomorrow morning.
[23:33] <nacc> kc8hfi_: was that a question?
[23:33] <unknwn1> hey guys, i have a problem with grub, it doesn't appear (list with os list) from the first time, after reboot only, does anyone know what can be done with this problem to solve it?
[23:33] <kc8hfi_> nacc: I can switch back and forth between the user I created and that Guest session.  The question is, can you delete that account that I just created somehow?
[23:33] <kc8hfi_> nacc
[23:34] <kc8hfi_> nacc: dang, I'm sorry for those stupid empty messages....
[23:34] <mcphail> unknwn1: hold down shift as it boots
[23:34] <unknwn1> mcphail: and what will happen then?
[23:35] <mcphail> unknwn1: it will show the menu
[23:35] <nacc> kc8hfi_: settings -> users?
[23:35] <unknwn1> mcphail: ok, if it works for me, what is the fix not to hold the shift button anytime?
[23:36] <mcphail> unknwn1: I think you have to remove/comment out the "GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT" entry
[23:36] <kc8hfi_> nacc: I can't delete the account i'm logged in with though
[23:36] <nacc> kc8hfi_: do you only want the guest account?
[23:36] <kc8hfi_> nacc: yep...
[23:37] <kc8hfi_> nacc: yep, and then I wanna create an account after that also...
[23:37] <nacc> kc8hfi_: ok, create an account you actually want, delete this bad account from there?
[23:37] <nacc> kc8hfi_: i really don't know
[23:37] <OerHeks> create a new vm
[23:37] <nacc> kc8hfi_: oh yeah, it's just a VM, right?
[23:37] <nacc> kc8hfi_: delete it :)
[23:37] <kc8hfi_> nacc: no, not quite what i'm after.  What I wanna do is remove this account and have only the guest account.  Then,  once that works.  I wanna create a real user account
[23:38] <nacc> kc8hfi_: why does that order matter?
[23:38] <nacc> kc8hfi_: you seem to be making it far more difficult than it needs to be
[23:38] <kc8hfi_> nacc: because I want this install to end up being just like that dell laptop.  So,  then I'll know how to create an account on that box.
[23:38] <kc8hfi_> nacc: yeah, i'm making it very difficult and I know this...
[23:38] <nacc> the only way for "this install" to be just liek some other install is to reinstall it
[23:38] <unknwn1> mcphail: ok, i will try, thank you
[23:39] <nacc> who knows what else has been changed?
[23:39] <kc8hfi_> nacc: what I really want to know is how to create an account when the only one on the box is that guest account
[23:39] <OerHeks> kc8hfi_, your issue is: you user is in the sudoers group, deleting it will make sudo useless, creating a 2nd user in sudoers can be done, but that would get user number 1001, inconveniant
[23:39] <OerHeks> and ugly
[23:39] <nacc> kc8hfi_: i don't think you can
[23:39] <kc8hfi_> hmmmm
[23:39] <nacc> kc8hfi_: but i don't know and have never encountered that
[23:40] <kc8hfi_> OerHeks: the user id doesn't mean jack,  it could be 4000 for all I care.
[23:41] <OerHeks> kc8hfi_, then go for it
[23:41] <OerHeks> !sudoers
[23:41] <nacc> OerHeks: they want to do it with only a guest account
[23:41] <kc8hfi_> but the thing is,  you can't sudo with that guest account
[23:41] <nacc> OerHeks: i assume guest account does not have sudo
[23:41] <kc8hfi_> and thats the only account on this system,  unless the login screen is wrong....
[23:41] <kc8hfi_> and I don't the login screen is wrong
[23:41] <OerHeks> nacc, indeed, he needs to do that from the user.
[23:41] <Uluru> Thanks for the help :-) going to continue learning about Ubuntu. Take care
[23:41] <mutante> you can reset the root password by booting into recovery mode
[23:41] <nacc> OerHeks: right, i don't think what is being asked for is sensible or a thing
[23:42] <mutante> once you have root, you can create your user
[23:42] <nacc> but then you have a root account on your system  you have to remember to disable
[23:42] <nacc> :)
[23:42] <kc8hfi_> yeah, I know it doesn't make a lot of sense....it blows my mind also that this happened.  we got another laptop just like that one, and it didn't do this....
[23:42] <Bashing-om> kc8hfi_: The system DO care though - do ' id ' to get an idea of how great the meaning of those user numbers are .
[23:43] <OerHeks> kc8hfi_, so it is a real install?
[23:43] <mutante> kc8hfi_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/710944/only-guest-user-login-is-available-in-my-new-dell-vostro-laptop
[23:43] <kc8hfi_> OerHeks: yeah, its on a brand new dell precision laptop, just came in today
[23:43] <mutante> it seems you are not the only one
[23:43] <mutante> " I don't understand why Dell pre-installs a guest-only Ubuntu in their notebooks. – Leonardo Castro Oct 14 '16 at 19:14 "  etc
[23:43] <nacc> right, it's the dell image, dell supports it (not ubuntu) aiui
[23:43] <mutante> so that's Dell making you hack your own root account first
[23:44] <kc8hfi_> mutante: oh wow!  I've been all over the interwebs trying to figure this out!  apparently I didn't look good enough
[23:44] <mutante> kc8hfi_: well, it sure seems like Dell messed up there. but you have still  http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[23:45] <kc8hfi_> mutante: i was figuring we were gonna hafta do that part for the root account
[23:45] <mutante> kc8hfi_: oh wait, for giggles i would try if the root password is "calvin" (knowing that Dell likes it as default on DRACs, lol)
[23:45]  * init7 brb
[23:45] <kc8hfi_> what really sucks is this guy is skeptical aobut linux, and i've been bragging on linux forever,  now he wants to try it, and now this happened to him. I've gotta fix this for him
[23:46] <kc8hfi_> mutante: i'll try calvin for the password just to see what happens
[23:46] <mutante> kc8hfi_: ok, understand. yea, follow the general instructions there for forgotten root pass
[23:46] <mutante> kc8hfi_: and then blame Dell :)
[23:46] <ubuntu-newbee> hello
[23:47] <ubuntu-newbee> i have a question please
[23:47] <kc8hfi_> mutante: oh yeah, definitely gonna blame them!
[23:47] <OerHeks> kc8hfi_, does dell give no hint in the manual, what to do first, like backup the image to restore? we do, in NL  >> https://www.dell.com/support/home/nl/nl/nlbsdt1/Drivers/OSISO/linux
[23:47] <kc8hfi_> nacc: thanks for the help
[23:47] <ubuntu-newbee> im on 14.04.5 and when i do apt-get update i get "Failed to fetch" and "Connection failed"
[23:47] <kc8hfi_> mutante: OerHeks thanks for the help also
[23:47] <ubuntu-newbee> i tried apt-get clean and that didnt work
[23:48] <k1l> ubuntu-newbee: can you put all the output onto paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here?
[23:48] <ubuntu-newbee> ok thanks, i'll do that
[23:48] <mutante> ubuntu-newbee: apt-get clean is deleting temp files. your problem sounds like a network issue though
[23:49] <bart65> exit
[23:51] <ubuntu-newbee> network issue, hmm, interesting, i do was having some weird IP problem earlier, like "broken pipe" when i ssh into the box
[23:51] <nanodrone> has anyone else had that bizarre warning popup in terminal apt upgrades saying warning i915 drivers are missing.
[23:52] <AndChat|432276> Hey
[23:52] <ubuntu-newbee> now i dont have th failed to fetch error, im getting a GPG error now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24231694/
[23:53] <unknwn1> ex
[23:53] <whtn12> Guys
[23:53] <ubuntu-newbee> i think this one is the solution, im gonna try it first: http://askubuntu.com/questions/198371/apt-encounters-errors-with-bad-gpg-keys
[23:53] <k1l> ubuntu-newbee:  sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[23:54] <ubuntu-newbee> lol k1l, thanks for that, great minds think alike
[23:54] <mutante> ubuntu-newbee: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[23:55] <callum_> join /bugs
[23:55] <callum_> f*ck, sorry
[23:55] <k1l> callum_: /join #channel
[23:56] <ubuntu-newbee> that worked! awesome!
[23:56] <ubuntu-newbee> thanks everyone
[23:58] <callum_> k1l: BTW, how do you leave a channel without leaving all channels? Last time I tried quit #channel the webchat disconnected me from all channels
[23:58] <k1l> callum_: /part
[23:59] <k1l> or on your webclient, just click on the x on the channel tab
[23:59] <callum_> thx


[12:27] <bizhanMona> Spamaps: Thanks for replay, where can I get more info for what upstart uses dbus? Thx
[13:28] <xnox> bizhanMona: the source code? =)
[13:29] <xnox> bizhanMona: initctl uses dbus to talk to upstart. and there is also dbus interface to query status & launch stuff. in trunk there is support for jobs to start/stop on dbus events.
[13:30] <xnox> there is some dated information here http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/DBusInterface
[13:30] <xnox> i'm not sure we auto-generate dbus docs or not.
[13:36] <jodh> bizhanMona: also some example here - http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#controlling-upstart-using-d-bus
[16:51] <ah-> hi, i have an embedded arm board that usually boots with sysv scripts, and instead of/after booting that I want it to chroot to a loopback image of a different distribution that's based on upstart and continue booting that
[16:52] <ah-> my problem is that I can't just chroot and start upstart afterwards, since that would mean that upstart isn't pid 1
[16:53] <xnox> use lxc, then upstart can become pid1
[16:53] <xnox> lxc is chroot + a couple fancy tricks on top. it's the way to do stuff like that.
[16:54] <ah-> thanks, i'll look into that, seems like a good fit
[16:54] <ah-> does it require kernel support?
[16:55] <xnox> ah-: also your case sounds a lot like initramfs -> root hand over, which does also give up pid1 and let the other instance take over.
[16:55] <ah-> my real problem is that i can't/don't want to flash a new kernel/uboot config since that's a bit risky
[16:55] <xnox> ah-: lxc? yeah but pretty much any recentish kernels support that. even like android kernels and what not.
[16:55] <xnox> check, you might have lxc enabled.
[17:13] <ah-> xnox: unfortunately a lot is missing: http://nopaste.me/paste/629141865510aa60037d45
[17:13] <xnox> ah-: then look how initramfs does handover.
[17:15] <ah-> i'm on it, thanks for the hint
[17:26] <ah-> xnox: great, that looks pretty much like the thing i've been searching for. i'll just omit the rm -rf / part of it and then it should be fine
[17:26] <xnox> np, your welcome =)
[17:34] <bizhanMona> xnox: Thanks for your info, I am trying to catch up fast on this. One question when you say "in trunk ..."  do you mean is not part of the main release? thx
[17:34] <bizhanMona> jodh: thanks for pointer
[17:35] <xnox> bizhanMona: yeah, that event bridge got merged into lp:upstart. We will soon have an upstart release with that feature in.
[17:35] <xnox> bizhanMona: even sooner we might get a usable rc / testing ppa.
[17:36] <bizhanMona> xnox: this great thanks so much. Is there a mailing list that I can subscribe to get the future development releases? thx
[17:38] <xnox> bizhanMona: there is upstart-devel mailing list, but it has also code-review and patches going to it. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/upstart-devel
[17:38] <xnox> bizhanMona: just announcements of new releases are via RSS https://launchpad.net/upstart/+announcements
[17:40] <bizhanMona> xnox: thanks so much for all the info.
[17:41] <xnox> bizhanMona: =) no problem. We are a friendly bunch here, when online ;-)
[19:45] <ndimatteo> hey all, I was hoping I could get some help with an upstart job for running forever.js


[00:02] <ali1234> see the thing is i only do two things: run the IT, and provide startup capital
[00:04] <AlanBell> is it going to be a success?
[00:04] <ali1234> probably not
[00:04] <AlanBell> then don't be a director (but have a share)
[00:05] <AlanBell> directors are responsible for winding it up correctly if it doesn't go anywhere. If it isn't your role to make the project a success then you don't need to be a director
[00:08] <popey> AlanBell: sooo.. fancy a visitor some time over the next few weeks for a day here or there? ☺
[00:08] <AlanBell> sure
[00:28] <ali1234> AlanBell: if i'm only a share holder, can the other two guys decide to issue themselves 1 million new shares, thus making my shares worthless?
[00:29] <ali1234> not that i think they'd do that, but you know
[00:35] <popey> ali1234: i think you need to document the process for issuing shares, and each year you need to report how many have been issued to companies house
[00:36] <popey> most of this is documented surprisingly well (without wishing to "RTFM" you) hmrc and companies house websites have data
[01:05] <AlanBell> http://www.lawdonut.co.uk/law/ownership-and-management/shares-and-shareholders/issuing-and-transferring-private-company-shares-26-faqs#1
[01:05] <AlanBell> generally if shares are being issued they have to be offered to shareholders first
[01:05] <AlanBell> in proportion to the existing holding
[01:05] <AlanBell> so no, you can't get screwed that way easily
[01:06] <AlanBell> this is one reason it is a PITA to not get it right in the first place
[01:07] <ali1234> cool
[01:11] <ali1234> ah, but if the board also holds 66% of the shares they can just out vote me, change the articles of association, and do whatever they want...
[01:13] <ali1234> in fact they could do that whether i'm a director or not
[08:06] <diplo> Morning all
[08:24] <kvarley> Morning
[08:27] <kvarley> How is the data provided on packages.ubuntu.com generated? is there an API for accessing the repositories? Or will it be some sort of python web wrapper that queries the lists on the server?
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: I'm assuming it's the same as Debian uses for packages.debian.org
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> http://packages.debian.org/about/
[08:28] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Looks the same. :) thanks
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: ^ that's the source for it
[08:29] <kvarley> Ah, perl
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> ♥ Perl
[08:34] <kvarley> As far as I can tell it uses Perl to get results from a real Debian system and it then stores them
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> oh, I'd guess it parses Packages files for each architecture
[08:35] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Is it possible to add different architecture sources on a system? I know you won't be able to install any of the different architecture packages, but can you add the lists and search them?
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: what problem are you trying to solve?
[08:37] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Building a large project, this is part of it. I need access to a list of packages available in the repositories.
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: if the packages.debian.org code is too hard, I'd just write something to download Packages files and parse those
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> oh that's what that code does already
[08:38] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: You are right though
[08:38] <kvarley> The legacy code isn't ideal
[08:38] <kvarley> I'd have to host my own copy
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> yes.. or part of it
[08:38] <kvarley> So I may as well write my own which will respond in the formats I want
[08:39] <kvarley> Yeah, that's another option. Just make a wrapper that converts the results into a suitable format
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> don't forget to donate it back to debian/ubuntu if possible :)
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> A proper REST API on top of packages.* would be great :)
[08:39] <kvarley> The whole project is going to be open source when it's ready
[08:39] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: That's my plan :)
[08:39] <kvarley> It'll be MIT licensed most likely when I'm done
[08:50] <kvarley> Anybody know if Ubiquity has hooks for running a custom bash script after installation?
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityAutomation
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: there's are ways to run commands when an install succeeds or fails
[08:52] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: \0/ thank you
[08:54] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:55] <kvarley> czajkowski:  \0
[08:55] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Any ideas whether the commands run as root or not?
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: as it's the installer, I assume it can be run as anyone :)
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: but I haven't done preseed scripts before, so I don't really know
[08:55] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ok, I'll find out shortly hehe
[09:15] <jacobw> Boo
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> 😨
[09:26] <kvarley> What tool is best for searching text? I want to search for "Package: " and grab whatever comes after it until a newline is reached
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> perl ;)
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> or grep
[09:29] <directhex> Packages is in a specific format, you want to use a lib for parsing it
[09:29] <andylockran> moning
[09:30] <directhex> http://search.cpan.org/~rclamp/Parse-Debian-Packages-0.03/lib/Parse/Debian/Packages.pm :)
[09:34] <JamesTait> Happy Weed Appreciation Day, everyone! :-D
[09:34] <SuperMatt> happy fake friday \o/
[09:35] <SuperMatt> also happy gnome 3.8
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: lovely dandelions, milk thistles, and other weeds?
[09:35] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, yes, those. Apparently. :)
[09:39] <kvarley> How can I match "Package: " until the end of a new line in sed?
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: http://search.cpan.org/~rclamp/Parse-Debian-Packages-0.03/lib/Parse/Debian/Packages.pm :)
[09:40] <SuperMatt> does anyone have an spf enabled domain I can drop an email to?
[09:41] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: What's that?
[09:41] <redtape-renegade> morning all ! o/
[09:44] <popey> kvarley: seen http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build  ?
[09:44] <popey> also
[09:44] <popey> !info live-build
[09:45] <kvarley> popey: Nice :)
[09:46] <popey> you may be re-creating a wheel that already exists
[09:46] <kvarley> It's odd because tools exist but they aren't doing what I envisaged
[09:47] <kvarley> I think it may be a case of building several things together
[09:55] <popey> kvarley: what are you envisaging?
[10:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:14] <xnox> kvarley: there is success & fail_commands. There is also a hooks dir, but that is only for pre-starting the installation.
[10:15] <xnox> kvarley: it's run as root, and "in the live system", so to fiddle with installed system one does something like "in-target add-apt-ppa -y paa:xnox/awesome" (the in-target will do the correct chroot with networking et al)
[10:16] <xnox> kvarley: there is also dctrl-grep to search Packages/dpkg/control fields etc.
[10:16] <kvarley> xnox: Nice. Do you know an easy way to go about adding my preseed to the iso? Or is it a case of re-packing?
[10:18] <directhex> kvarley, that sorta depends
[10:18] <xnox> kvarley: option (1): unpack iso add preseed.cfg, repack iso (there is default preseed location, no need to fiddle with squashfs etc). option (2): boot wiith url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/preseed.cfg param option (3) netboot desktop cd with a preseed.
[10:18] <directhex> ... seems like xnox knows all the details, you're in good hands
[10:22] <kvarley> Thanks xnox :)
[10:22] <kvarley> Ty directhex
[10:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:34] <SuperMatt> morning
[10:34] <bigcalm> Is it not good?
[10:45] <directhex> blarg
[10:47] <bigcalm> It's Fridayish!
[10:50] <SuperMatt> :D
[10:51] <SuperMatt> cripes, I shouldn't have to rely on stardock to provide me with functionality that microsoft forgot
[10:58] <bigcalm> I rely upon Ubuntu for functionality that microsoft forgot ;)
[11:01] <SuperMatt> true, but there are a few exciting new games that I own, so I still have the old windows setup available
[11:05] <bigcalm> What's stardock?
[11:08] <popey> bigcalm: it implements some compiz/awn/docky like stuff on windows
[11:09]  * MartijnVdS justed opened the box for an intel "NUC"
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> and the "intel sound" played
[11:10] <popey> haha, that's awesome, we should put those inside Ubuntu CDs, have the ubuntu drums play when you open it
[11:13] <AlanBell> like those greeting cards, that would be cool :)
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> The thing also plays that sound through an on-board speaker at boot-time
[11:13] <BigRedS> haha, my nuc box is in my flat for that. Whenever anyone wins an argument they open the box
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> *disable*
[11:13] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ooh. Mine doesn't seem to have an onboard speaker. Which model have you got?
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: well it claims it does, I haven't heard it play the sound because I disabled it when browsing the bios :)
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: DCP847SKE is what I ahve
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> It looks like it's a very cool machine
[11:14] <BigRedS> ah! I've ended up with a USB sound card in mine since my monitor seems to have audio in but no form of audio out
[11:15] <BigRedS> I have the catchier-named D33217GKE
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> yeah that's a much better name!
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: is that just the board, or the box+board?
[11:16] <BigRedS> ah, both
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> because mine came in its own VESA-mount sized box
[11:16] <BigRedS> yeah
[11:16] <BigRedS> mine, too. And the disk is smaller physically than the ram, but bigger logically by an order of magnitude...
[11:17] <BigRedS> this is the most involved I've been in buying a computer for a few years and everything's changed!
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> :)
[11:23] <BigRedS> though I'm still not really sure what I'm supposed to do with that vesa mount since my montior's being held up by it already. Is it to go between monitor and stand? Or hold the PC off to one side? But there's no spacers for the bolts on the other side...
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: nah you mount it on the back of the screen, and put the screen on the stand it came with
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> though not all screens have their VESA mounts available for that when the stand is attached
[11:23] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:24] <BigRedS> ah, right. I figure that if I really want to get it off my desk I can just hang it by the cat5 cable :)
[11:24] <bigcalm> hUMF
[11:24] <bigcalm> Humf
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ?
[11:25] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: net split threw me off freenode
[11:26] <bigcalm> BigRedS: might be better hanging it by the kingston lock
[11:27] <bigcalm> s/the/a
[11:32] <BigRedS> I don't have a kingston lock
[11:32] <BigRedS> but this is why cat5 cables clip in, isn't it?
[11:32] <BigRedS> so you can hang devices by them
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> must be
[11:37] <DJones> Azelphur: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21964881 Might be of interest re bitcoins
[11:38] <popey> it hit 90 USD earlier
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> Oops:
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> http://ark.intel.com/products/66886/Intel-Centrino-Wireless-N-105-Single-Band
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> Weight (in grams): Saturday, February 09, 2013
[11:45] <bigcalm> Amusing
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> I wonder how heavy Saturday, February 09, 2013 is, in grams
[11:48]  * bigcalm avoids making a drug reference
[11:48] <popey> Dimensions: 12.3 kg × 35 mV × 8 bits/pixel
[11:48] <davmor2> popey: in raring how do you refresh a nautilus view of a folder?
[11:51] <popey> F5
[11:51] <popey> same as always
[11:51] <popey> cue AlanBell "lol always"
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: but.. gnome hate!
[11:53] <davmor2> popey: yeah but nautilus have removed any link to the option it's not in either of files menus
[11:55] <kvarley> xnox: Is this ok for a line in my preseed file? "ubiquity        ubiquity/early_command=/root/myscript"
[11:56] <xnox> early_command is executed from casper.
[11:57] <kvarley> xnox: I want to run something as soon as the live session loads or as the user starts the install. Is that possible?
[11:57] <xnox> and isn't suppose to be: "d-i text preseed/early_command=path/to/foo"
[11:58] <xnox> kvarley: define "live session"
[11:59] <xnox> kvarley: we have ubiquity-dm session (aka install now) and live session (aka try ubuntu) and one can launch ubiquity to install from the live session.
[11:59] <kvarley> xnox: The live session where the installer doesn't load straight away
[12:00] <xnox> kvarley: your early_command then should drop xdg autostart file to execute something, or have an upstart job which start on started lightdm.
[12:11] <kvarley> xnox: Is it possible to add startup items to the live session? The home directory isn't in the squashfs by default, if I created it would it be overriden?
[12:11] <xnox> /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[12:12] <kvarley> xnox: Thanks
[12:13] <AlanBell> popey: did F5 break?
[12:13]  * popey shrugs
[12:13] <AlanBell> alt-prtscr turned into a kernel reboot magic key for a while which was what I was referring to
[12:14] <davmor2> AlanBell: no but there is no menu reference to it so how would a new user know
[12:14] <popey> i know, i was taking the mick
[12:15] <popey> why would a user need to know F5?
[12:15] <popey> surely the window refreshes automagically?
[12:16] <AlanBell> it does it by magic anyhow
[12:16] <AlanBell> for local disks
[12:16] <davmor2> popey: NOPE  it does if you are working locally but if you delete a file on a file share it is still there you need to refresh it to make it go away
[12:16] <AlanBell> open folder in nautilus, open a terminal, touch a file, magic happens
[12:17] <AlanBell> click in another directory, click back again I guess
[12:17] <popey> how did you delete the file davmor2 ?
[12:17] <davmor2> AlanBell: now do the same thing on a samba share on another machine
[12:18] <popey> surely if you're in nautilus and you click on a file and press delete, it disappears?
[12:18] <davmor2> popey: I had to delete via the terminal the folder wasn't created by the user
[12:19] <popey> the terminal
[12:19] <popey> gosh
[12:19] <popey> retro

[12:19] <popey> etc
[12:19] <davmor2> popey: I seem to spend half my life in a terminal and I'm not a hacker
[12:20]  * popey might dig out his VT101 over easter
[12:20] <popey> or maybe not
[12:23] <davmor2> popey: I'm assuming if it is a shared document in an office and one user deletes a file that wouldn't show either so would need a manual refresh
[12:56] <andylockran> is this me, or does this internet provider seem to have superflous routing rules: http://dpaste.com/1037621/
[13:09] <czajkowski> anyone in London or can be in London on the 5th April for 1hrs User testing with the nice folks in CAnonical please contact me ASAP.
[13:10] <czajkowski> we need TWO people
[13:13] <SuperMatt> I'm already doing the 2nd /o\
[13:18] <czajkowski> well then you don't count in this call :)
[13:20]  * redtape-renegade looks at the latest with google glass...
[13:21] <redtape-renegade> I'm not sure it's good for what they envisioner ( a traveller), but the oppourtunity for Sports applications i.e. Snow-boarding etc is off the chart !
[13:22]  * redtape-renegade plugs his brainfart.. | leaves.
[13:51] <andylockran> redtape-renegade: I agree; I've love to wear them cycling/snow-boarding - but not for personal interaction.
[13:52] <andylockran> I don't like the idea of being recorded.
[13:52] <andylockran> but I understand the necessity for a camera
[14:01] <andylockran> what's everyone up to over the easter weekend?
[14:01] <BigRedS> sitting in a DC waiting for stuff to break
[14:04] <popey> spending time with family
[14:06] <brobostigon> beer festival at my local,
[14:08] <popey> \o/ beer
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/
[14:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did someone mention beer?
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: ^
[14:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[14:16] <brobostigon> :)
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> my brothers are starting their own (tiny) brewery
[14:17] <brobostigon> is there anything like top, but does network interface monitoring insted ?
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: iptraf does that
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> there are some others as well
[14:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, thank you, let me look at that one,
[14:20] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAn0wqfzNxE  "Like"
[14:20] <popey> looks like it was filmed near here
[14:20] <popey> can't quite figure out where
[14:20] <popey> but looks familiar
[14:20] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: that look like it will do the job nicely, :)
[14:21] <brobostigon> very bright, :)
[14:23] <popey> bah, whats the name of the road at 1:57
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's just a grey sign?
[14:24] <popey> chesterwick close
[14:24] <popey> maybe
[14:24] <popey> deffo *** wick close
[14:30]  * popey wonders if ali1234  has the skills ㋛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAn0wqfzNxE can you read the road name at 1m57s?
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: I think it's "*gwick close"
[14:33] <ali1234> cheswick close
[14:34] <popey> dont think so, seems longer
[14:34] <popey> looks like it was filmed around these parts, and I cant find that road name on gmaps
[14:37] <ali1234> it has been intentionally blurred
[14:37] <ali1234> but the blur disappears one frame early
[14:37] <ali1234> it is defnitely "-wick close"
[14:37] <popey> agreed
[14:38] <popey> I'd put it somewhere in crowthorne, sandhurst or bracknell direction
[14:39] <ali1234> why?
[14:39] <popey> it looks familiar
[14:42] <popey> ooh, there's another road off to the side at 1:53
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> time to download an OSM dump :)
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> \o/ fibre
[14:50] <popey> good call
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: OSM dump for all of the UK is 900M compressed.. it might take a while to grep that ;)
[14:50] <popey> url?
[14:50] <ali1234> the other road is also something close
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/british-isles.html
[14:51] <popey> wheee
[14:51] <popey>  8% [==>                                    ] 68,164,721  7.40MB/s  eta 2m 15s
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: 7?!
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> 51% [[14:52] <popey> ya
[14:52] <popey> 60Mb/s i think
[14:52] <popey> or thereabouts
[14:52] <Azelphur> phoned up VAT advice line to talk about whether bitcoins are subject to VAT or not, this should be an interesting one
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: of course they are. They're just another currency..
[14:52]  * bigcalm drums his fingers waiting for VirginMedia to increase his speed
[14:52] <Azelphur> currencies are not subject to VAT
[14:52] <popey> you may be asking the wrong question
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: no, transactions are
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: currency doesn't matter
[14:53] <Azelphur> I mean like you go to an exchange shop and exchange your £ to $ to go on holiday, they ain't chargin you 20%
[14:53] <Azelphur> and it'd be financially impossible to do so
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: no, but some stores in London accept euros.. and you have to pay VAT whether you pay with € or £
[14:54] <Azelphur> yep, that's for goods or services though
[14:54] <Azelphur> not exchange
[14:55] <ali1234> popey http://ubuntuone.com/35cgLB9wxvnH6GTE4if7Xh
[14:56] <ali1234> c?eswick close
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> Sedgwick ?
[14:56] <ali1234> no
[14:57] <popey> crestwick?
[14:57] <ali1234> maybe but ulikely as it wouldnt fit
[15:01] <ali1234> HA
[15:01] <ali1234> cheswick close is the road she's running out of, look at the road markings
[15:01] <ali1234> but in previous shot it's clearly not a cul de sac
[15:01] <ali1234> continuity errors :P
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> maybe there's a hint on the "SOLD" sign at 1:48?
[15:07] <kaushal> Hi
[15:08] <SuperMatt> hullo
[15:09] <kaushal> I am using google chrome browser Version 26.0.1410.43 on Ubuntu 11.10 Desktop. is there a way to open bookmarks located just below the address bar in a new tab?
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> middle click them
[15:09] <ali1234> need to rip the video at 1080 so i can frame step it
[15:10] <popey> thats what i did ali1234
[15:10] <popey> using youtube-dl
[15:10] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: i mean on a touch panel?
[15:10] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: any chrome extension?
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: ctrl+click?
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: right click + open in new tab?
[15:12] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: thanks a lot
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: found it, I think
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://goo.gl/maps/3ss3F
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: based on the estate agent's name :)
[15:26] <bigcalm> Super sluthing
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> background doesn't match though
[15:27] <bigcalm> Now contact the video editor and complain that they didn't obscure enough things to stop this from happening
[15:28] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it's the same place
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> ah yes it is :)
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: what do I win? :)
[15:29]  * popey hasn't reviewed the prize entries yet
[15:29] <popey> on a call
[15:30] <bigcalm> http://youtu.be/OAn0wqfzNxE?t=1m57s matches
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> now for the house she runs out of.. :) which seems to be in a different place
[15:32] <ali1234> yes that is definitely it
[15:33] <popey> yay!
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> the house she runs out of is on Hillside Drive
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> http://goo.gl/maps/vQiZQ == the "SOLD" sign, still FOR SALE
[15:37] <bigcalm> I just finished The Room :(
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://goo.gl/maps/oL0F4 = home @ 1:45
[15:39] <bigcalm> Very pretty
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> the plants could use a trimming though
[15:40] <bigcalm> Anybody concerned by how much information has been gained here?
[15:41] <ali1234> the other road sign it blyth road off hillside drive
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: we don't know her name yet ;)
[15:41] <bigcalm> haha
[15:41] <bigcalm> Ok, that would be creepy
[15:41] <bigcalm> Is she not credited in the video?
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> ah yes, she's probably credited somewhere
[15:42] <ali1234> http://goo.gl/maps/Q91S8
[15:43] <bigcalm> 2 and a bit hours until 4 day weekend. Woop!
[15:43]  * bigcalm gives these unit tests the evil eye
[15:45] <ali1234> does the live cd have left/right channel test sound files on it?
[15:46] <bigcalm> I really should stop variety from using food themed images. Makes me want to snack too much
[15:46] <ali1234> mr snacktoomuch?
[15:47]  * bigcalm chews gum instead
[15:48] <bigcalm> And drinks a lot of water
[15:50] <penguin42> snacking on dry cereal works, you just can't eat it fast
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beschuitje.jpg
[15:53] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ?
[16:21] <popey> MartijnVdS: doesnt look for sale anymore
[16:21] <popey> not on palmersnell website
[16:22] <mungbean> have a new theory on my broken tablet. if the battery on the tp gets too low, it cant charge :S
[16:23] <bigcalm> That happened a lot with Apple products
[16:23] <mungbean> some people had suvccess diosmantling and charge with a rc lipo vharger
[16:23] <mungbean> warns directhex
[16:24] <mungbean> i found  a cheap original battery and will try to revive. although mrs mungbean is saying i should buy nex10
[16:24] <bigcalm> SO telling you to buy new tech? She's a keeper
[16:25] <mungbean> and i'm refusing :P
[16:25] <mungbean> i think its cos she wants a nexus7
[16:26] <mungbean> so will cost me lots = n10+n7
[16:26] <mungbean> instead of £15 on a battery
[16:27] <mungbean> dont wanna risk doing the jumpostart with lipo charger
[16:29] <popey> 16:23:10 < bigcalm> That happened a lot with Apple products
[16:29] <popey> known issue with nexus 7 and nexus 4
[16:31] <mungbean> oh really?
[16:32] <popey> yup
[16:32] <mungbean> i think the problem was that the cable became fauly
[16:32] <mungbean> then ran too low on charge by display the "replace the charger" message
[16:32] <mungbean> because i had an app installed to stop running too low
[16:32] <davmor2> mungbean: did you get a new charger first just to rule that out
[16:33] <mungbean> yes, althoughi got rippped off on the charger :(
[16:33] <mungbean> bought from amazon as an hp touchpad charger
[16:33] <mungbean> but was a palm charger
[16:33] <mungbean> but the cable was indeed faulty
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: the one on the other side of the road is "For sale" in google maps, and "Sold" in the music video
[16:45] <popey> heh
[16:45] <popey> i looked up the road on nethouseprices
[16:45] <popey> nosy ☺
[16:48]  * TheOpenSourcerer forgot next week was only 4 days :-(
[16:48] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: did you remember that this week is only 4 days?
[16:48] <bigcalm> I forgot both and so did my boss
[16:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will be rather tight to deliver a new project now.
[16:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Yes. I did remember about tomorrow
[16:49] <bigcalm> Did better than me :)
[16:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can see myself slaving over a hot server during the long weekend somehow.
[16:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Still could be worse... Might have to go shopping with the wife and kids or something.
[16:54] <kvarley> Where are the results of "apt-cache dump" pulled from?
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> /var/cache/apt/ I guess :)
[16:54] <kvarley> MartijnVdS:/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin ?
[16:56] <kvarley> Can I view the contents of the bin file without apt?
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: it's just a binary cache of what's in archives/
[17:04] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Is it not the file that contains a list of packages on the mirrors?
[17:04] <redtape-renegade> OT | Troo !! ::  https://twitter.com/NettyIOM/status/317253276330508288
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: /var/cache/apt/archives contain those too.. the .bin is just a quicker way for apt to search all that :)
[17:05] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I think /var/cache/apt/archives only contains cached deb packages of what you have recently installed on the system. Not all packages available in the repos
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: ah wait
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: there's /var/LIB/apt/lists
[17:07] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Thanks, that was what I was looking for :)
[18:20] <bigcalm> Humm, nobody told me that it had gone 6pm
[18:20]  * bigcalm continues working anyway
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFk6NIqHK0
[18:23] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: and I am instantly 13 all over again
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[18:23]  * bigcalm goes on a 2 unlimited binge
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> sorry ;)
[18:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: No, no no, no no no no........
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: there's no limit!
[18:30] <bigcalm> :)
[18:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: You Got The Power to say no :)
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> and A Magic Friend
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/1g55QqilucQ0qr1x4Sv5fw
[18:36] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you seem to be missing Good Life, pump up the jam, ride on time, the bomb, 4 O'clock in the morning :)
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: "The Bomb!" is in there
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> as is PutJ
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: isn't "Good Life" a very recent song?
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> ah, Inner City had one as well :)
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> and the does sound very very 90s
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: you're welcome to subscribe to any of my public playlists :)
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: also.. put the playlist name through Google Translate ;)
[19:05] <ali1234> where is beats international?
[19:06] <redtape-renegade> Meanwhile in Farbridge       | http://mayorsblog.guelph.ca/2013/03/22/earth-hour-830-p-m-and-930-p-m-on-saturday-march-23/#comments
[19:06] <redtape-renegade> OT ^ |
[19:07] <ali1234> that guy is right but he's also a complete nob
[19:08] <ali1234> i mean how does he know that people aren't doing those things as well?
[19:08] <ali1234> he doesn't, and is just using it as an excuse to do nothing at all
[19:17] <directhex> he's right. but bacon is delicious
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fio1NUxszhY
[20:24] <mungbean> geary at 10% of goal, will they make it i wonder?
[20:45] <mungbean> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/mar/28/amazon-fees-hike-third-party hmm
[22:03] <brobostigon> adnams at my local, nice beer, :)
[22:07] <mungbean> is everyone out drinking tonight? v quiet
[22:10] <ali1234> everyone is watching mtgox implode spectacularly
[22:11] <mungbean> mtgox?
[22:11] <daftykins> :D
[22:11] <mungbean> i was finally watching dune after plannig all week
[22:11] <daftykins> i'm playing with my brand new TV
[22:12] <daftykins> Samsung 55" 6800 series, £900 delivered
[22:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: and I have 0.002 BTC
[22:12] <daftykins> mmmm lovely
[22:12]  * Azelphur sits back, puts feet up, laughs at everyone who isn't me
[22:12] <mungbean> oh that fake money scheme
[22:12]  * Azelphur is the bitcoin master
[22:13] <daftykins> ;)
[22:13] <Azelphur> got a big buy planned for tomorrow, this should hit the pit before then, perfect time for me to jump back in :P
[22:13]  * Azelphur has it all schemed out
[22:13] <AlanBell> sell high, buy low
[22:14] <Azelphur> yup
[22:14] <AlanBell> lots of interest in bitcoin in the mainstream media at the moment
[22:14] <mungbean> reminds me of the dot.com gubbins which was also built on fluff
[22:14] <ali1234> buy high sell low
[22:15] <ali1234> oh wait sorry i thought this was btc-e trollbox :P
[22:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:16] <Azelphur> mungbean: that reminds me of this web design shop that was near where I used to live
[22:16] <Azelphur> they were called www.dot.com, the name amused me.
[22:16] <Azelphur> good marketing too, considering I remember it a decade later xD
[22:16] <mungbean> lucky to get the name
[22:17] <Azelphur> indeed, was back in the early 2000's.
[22:17] <mungbean> i remember sun had a slogan "we're the dot in .com"
[22:17] <Azelphur> lol
[22:17] <mungbean> wanted to slap them for that
[22:17] <mungbean> but i was busy adminning their servers
[22:17] <Azelphur> haha
[22:18] <mungbean> i remember when work was fun
[22:18] <mungbean> 3 colleagues left my place this week
[22:19] <mungbean> 2 other good ones a few weeks previous
[22:19] <mungbean> more to come
[22:19] <Azelphur> \o/
[22:20] <mungbean> keep forgetting i haven't ;eft but just on paternirty leave
[22:21] <daftykins> why are they all leaving?
[22:21] <mungbean> restructuring performed terribly
[22:22] <mungbean> and salary not in keeping with directly comparable competitors
[22:22] <mungbean> hence, why bother?
[22:22] <mungbean> if u have to interview for a new role, just do it somewhere else
[22:26] <mungbean> seen some nice redhat roles, shame they are in farnbo*
[22:27] <daftykins> what are you in?
[22:27] <mungbean> what kind of work?
[22:27] <daftykins> yep
[22:28] <mungbean> linux/unix admin 15+ yrs, vmware vsphere , everything in between
[22:28] <mungbean> used to have a great role looking after linux desktop + servers - best job ever!
[22:29] <daftykins> oooh
[22:29] <daftykins> would you per chance have lengthy experience with rsync? small question honest :)
[22:29] <mungbean> used it in a variety of ways
[22:30] <mungbean> go ahead
[22:30] <daftykins> in the past i did backups from a fast RAID6 array to USB attached storage
[22:30] <daftykins> but it'd take absolutely AGES when just a few extra folders of say a few gig would be added
[22:31] <daftykins> my usage was 'rsync -r /path/ /dest/'
[22:31] <daftykins> with verbosity i saw it iterated over every single image in this situation's photo collection
[22:31] <daftykins> i don't understand why it's unable to be a lot more efficient than that
[22:31] <daftykins> it was honestly taking overnight across a ~450GB folder
[22:31] <daftykins> (of which the changes were minimal)
[22:31] <daftykins> sound like something i'm doing wrong?
[22:31] <mungbean> loads of small files?
[22:32] <mungbean> was it a filesystem issue?
[22:32] <daftykins> jpegs and RAW files
[22:32] <daftykins> source FS is XFS
[22:32] <daftykins> to EXT4 on the external HDDs
[22:32] <mungbean> i'd try -av and -avz and check if there's difference
[22:32] <daftykins> could one of those factor in?
[22:32] <mungbean> only been an issue on a massive backup i do with >millions of files
[22:33] <mungbean> takes days to delete files from the disks too, so not rsync issue
[22:34] <daftykins> hmm
[22:34] <daftykins> what does z change? looks like compression based on man page reading
[22:34] <mungbean> yes
[22:35] <mungbean> shouldn't be an issue locally, but worth trying as reduces the bandwidth over the usb
[22:35] <daftykins> surely that wouldn't apply well to jpeg and RAW images?
[22:35] <mungbean> no, i typed that before i noticed you said the data type
[22:35] <daftykins> ah
[22:35] <daftykins> ah well, gonna be backing up to NAS soon instead so maybe things'll change :D
[22:36] <mungbean> worth checking vmstat and iotop etc while performing it
[22:36] <mungbean> to see if it's cpu or io bound
[22:37] <daftykins> ooh i love learning of all these top variants :)
[22:37] <daftykins> thanks for the input, i'll give it a go soon!
[22:38] <shauno> -z won't do much over usb, it's decompressed before the OS writes it
[22:39] <mungbean> did a straight cp -r perform as badly?
[22:39] <daftykins> hmm that might be hard to test given i'd have to use a sample set of data
[22:40] <daftykins> since most of the time seems to be it skipping over the already-present files
[22:40] <mungbean> using -n does a dry run too
[22:40] <daftykins> with verbosity it'd slowly chug through every image file
[22:40] <daftykins> i'd expect a very fast stream of files
[22:41] <daftykins> but nope, it'd slowly trudge down
[22:41] <daftykins> back shortly
[22:44] <shauno> I think I'd expect rsync to be slower locally because it does comparisons?  unless the results of those comparisons saves you writes.  otherwise it's spending a lot more time reading/deciding where cp just cares "can I write this, can I overwrite this"
[22:45] <shauno> so rsync would be slower the first time, but much quicker on subsequent runs
[22:49] <daftykins> it's something i'd done several times
[22:50] <daftykins> still sucked every time
[22:50] <mungbean> there's a bug in oplder rsync too that i came up against
[22:50] <mungbean> on rhel5
[22:50] <daftykins> oh?
[22:50] <mungbean> made things super slow, but i think that was loads of files again
[22:51] <daftykins> ah
[22:51] <daftykins> this guy does take a lot of pics :)
[22:51] <mungbean> prob a red herring
[22:53] <daftykins> it's a toughie!
[22:54] <daftykins> FWIW it's 10.04 LTS server on the system i'm performing this on
[22:54] <Azelphur> AlanBell: where'd you get your pizza from?
[23:04] <AlanBell> heh, not my pizza
[23:04] <AlanBell> rory cellan jones
[23:05] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21427505
[23:07] <Azelphur> is that UK or US? :P
[23:07] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/ruskin147/status/316868099074830336
[23:08] <Azelphur> lol
[23:09] <AlanBell> I should think there will be a BBC article about it soon
[23:09] <AlanBell> especially if he managed to order it using a raspberry pi
[23:13] <Azelphur> haha aww, they do UK but the nearest store is like 50 miles away
[23:13] <Azelphur> :<
[23:13] <mungbean> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uvYxXBMqEOM
[23:14] <mungbean> lolz remy gaillard
[23:14] <daftykins> http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2013/3/27/f4942741-eb7b-40ad-b33f-29a993d2cc54.jpg
[23:22] <daftykins> http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/old90/18951.html
[23:36] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/7SjOO2H.jpg
[23:36] <daftykins> here's my lovely new TV and current setup in my new places' lounge
[23:39] <ali1234> what's that website that you go to and it makes a log all about your computer?
[23:40] <ali1234> like what browser, what OS, what plugins, etc etc
[23:40] <ali1234> and then you can send a link
[23:41] <ali1234> http://supportdetails.com/
[23:48] <brobostigon> adnams rocks, :)


[14:05] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu Shaneo gives dangerous advice. Maybe it's in good faith, but there is a bantracker history (though an unrelated one, of highlighting random nicknames)
[15:16] <bazhang> whats meridious up to
[15:16] <bazhang> e is for edit, last I checked
[15:17] <ikonia> yes
[16:04] <bazhang> VGoff, how may we help you
[16:09] <mneptok> VGoff: this is #ubuntu-ops and not #ubuntu. you have been banned and forwarded here to remedy your _afk auto nick changes. there is no idling in this channel, and you will eventually be kicked. if your client auto-rejoins, that will turn into a ban. i hope you are at the keyboard or have logging enabled.
[16:15] <mneptok> VGoff: i removed the forward to this channel from your #ubuntu ban. please re-join here when you can discuss things.
[16:15] <mneptok> oh dear.
[16:15] <bazhang> heh
[16:16] <mneptok> you know, you try and be accommodating ...
[16:19] <Myrtti> idle over two days
[16:19] <mneptok> Myrtti: ahead of you.
[16:20] <Myrtti> I would have probably chosen VGoff*!*@*
[16:21] <mneptok> Myrtti: my choice was pretty random. i have no attachment to it. feel free ...
[16:22] <Myrtti> just as I expected
[16:23] <mneptok> i think we're gonna need a bigger boat.
[16:23] <Myrtti> VGoff: please disable the script in your IRC client that autorejoins you back to the channel you were kicked from. It's unlikely that ops forgive you in the few seconds you've been away from the channel
[16:24] <Myrtti> VGoff: also, I'm going to remove and ban you from the channel. If you wish to discuss your removal from #ubuntu and this channel, feel free to change your nick into something that doesn't start VGoff and/or pm me, and things can be discussed.
[16:25] <Myrtti> FYI: I'll also pm this to you.
[16:26] <mneptok> thanks Steve.
[16:29] <bazhang> michael__ in #kubuntu appears to be spamming nonsense
[16:30] <oCean> thunderbirds are go
[16:30] <maco> pici kicked, i added a ban. figure if they want to argue they can do it here not there
[16:30] <Myrtti> ooh, it's a maco
[16:32] <maco> hi Myrtti
[16:32] <Myrtti> hiya maco :-)
[23:48] <bazhang> * [Marzata] (~ma@<IP_ADDRESS>): ma  seems to just want to rant in #xubuntu


[17:25] <cyberanger> minasota: Well, hardware yes, software sounds workable too (I think I used another toolset, but I just can't recall)
[17:25] <cyberanger> That's only satellite from a specific set of NOAA birds, not Radar btw.
[17:25]  * cyberanger wishes he could remember what he did, tied it into Xastir too.