[04:12] <murthy> hello everyone
[04:21] <ScottK> yofel: Progress.
[04:21] <ScottK> yofel: JontheEchidna has a sample py3 one you can try and see if it works.
[04:31] <murthy> apachelogger: did you merge the tomahawk debian/copyright changes?
[04:37] <murthy> bbl
[04:40] <ScottK> valorie: You've got something really odd going on.  I noticed at the end one of the packages that's trying to be installed is python-qt3.  That hasn't been in the archive  for awhile.  What release are you on?  Do you have any third party packages installed?
[04:41] <ScottK> We have that on precise, so I assume you're on quantal and there should be no packages that depend on it.
[04:44] <valorie> quantal, yes
[04:45] <valorie> third-party....... not sure
[04:45] <valorie> such as what?
[04:45] <valorie> no skype
[04:46] <ScottK> Skype wouldn't do it.
[04:47] <ScottK> I'd remove roaraudio and slpd and see if that helps.
[04:47] <valorie> wow, the list of depends in muon is reasonable
[04:47] <valorie> I wish I had kept a list of the ridiculous list apt-get installed
[04:48] <valorie> about 100 random gnomish things, including mono
[04:48] <valorie> i purged mumble, roaraudio, slpd, gnucash and evolution
[04:49] <ScottK> You can look in /var/log/dpkg something to see a list.
[04:49] <ScottK> Here's what mumble wants to pull in for me:
[04:49] <ScottK>   espeak-data libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libcelt0-0 libdotconf1.0 libespeak1 libg15daemon-client1 libprotobuf7 libsonic0 speech-dispatcher
[04:49] <ScottK> Suggested packages:
[04:49] <ScottK>   mumble-server speech-dispatcher-festival speech-dispatcher-doc-cs libttspico-utils speech-dispatcher-flite
[04:49] <ScottK> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[04:49] <ScottK>   espeak-data libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libcelt0-0 libdotconf1.0 libespeak1 libg15daemon-client1 libprotobuf7 libsonic0 mumble speech-dispatcher
[04:50] <ScottK> I think you've got something else going on.
[04:52] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/687008/
[04:53] <valorie> aside from using Konversation and building Amarok from git, this is pretty much bog standard
[04:53] <valorie> oh, I have the dropbox script
[04:55] <valorie> perhaps I'll try again from muon
[05:05] <valorie> well, it is installed, but i have no sound still
[05:05] <valorie> I think it messed with alsa
[05:23] <valorie> maybe I have to log in again to see good changes
[05:23] <valorie> back in a bit
[07:16] <soee> good morning
[07:17] <smartboyhw> hello soee
[07:41] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:16] <Quintasan> Hello
[08:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: Congratulations on making it to DMB
[08:17] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, same from me
[08:17] <smartboyhw> Congrats ScottK
[08:17] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: How is your grantlee investigation?
[08:18] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I have a question also BTW:P : What happened to Bug 1008967?
[08:18] <Quintasan> I believe I have it packaged somewhere
[08:18] <Quintasan> It just needs checking and uploading
[08:18] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, eh.....
[08:19] <valorie> ScottK: you love trouble, eh?
[08:19] <mgraesslin> any news about compositing enabled on live cd?
[08:20] <smartboyhw> valorie, that's not trouble I think
[08:20] <valorie> I've been loving ubuntu-devel lately.....
[08:20] <valorie> ScottK is our shining star
[08:20] <smartboyhw> valorie, I found mailing delays for gmail in ubuntu-devel
[08:20] <valorie> I've been reading it from the archives
[08:20] <smartboyhw> I seem to get a bunch of mails (namely 100) after 0:00 UTC
[08:21] <valorie> since I'm not a devel, I don't subscribe
[08:21] <smartboyhw> valorie, oh
[08:21] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: What's wrong with it in the first place?
[08:21] <valorie> tonight I've been trying to get sound back on this laptop
[08:21] <valorie> grrrr
[08:21] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: see my mail on kubuntu-devel - it's disabled for the fun of it
[08:21] <valorie> mumble stole my sound
[08:22] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-February/006732.html
[08:23] <Quintasan> I see.
[08:24]  * mgraesslin would like to see the issue resolved in raring as it gives KDE a bad reputation for being ugly with all the people only trying live cds in VMs
[08:24] <mgraesslin> and I don't want to solve it in KWin
[08:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Quintasan shadeslayer yofel is Bug 1103013 a sync bug or a need Debian merge to Ubuntu?
[08:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I don't know, you'd need to look at what's in ubuntu to decide
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, two patches?
[08:48] <yofel> smartboyhw: merge, see last changelog entry
[08:48] <yofel> trivial one though
[08:49] <yofel> and good morning ^^
[08:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, /me assigns that bug to smartboyhwP
[08:49] <smartboyhw> s/smartboyhw/smartboyhw :P/
[08:49] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "yofel, /me assigns that bug to smartboyhw :PP"
[08:49] <smartboyhw> Bah
[08:49] <yofel> ^^
[08:58] <smartboyhw> Hmm though kde-gtk-config got a new version 2.2rc1
[09:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/kde-gtk-config/2.1.1-1ubuntu1-1st-push/+merge/151434
[09:06] <smartboyhw> Should be OK
[10:10] <yofel> Quintasan: fun part about kwin: Yes, Compositing is set to false on the live image. But where the hell does that come from
[10:11] <yofel> settings only have that for low-fat, which isn't installed in the desktop image
[10:16] <Riddell> I wonder if it's set at startup by a test that kwin does, something to do with the ubiquity-dm that doesn't talk nicely
[10:17] <mgraesslin> kwin does never set that option by itself
[10:17] <mgraesslin> only if KWin would crash it would be set
[10:17] <mgraesslin> and KWin is not crashing
[10:17] <Riddell> a mystery then
[10:17] <yofel> does restarting the session count as crashing?
[10:17] <Riddell> is casper doing something?
[10:18] <mgraesslin> yofel: no
[10:18] <yofel> hm...
[10:18] <mgraesslin> kwin only disables if it crashes when trying to activate compositing
[10:18] <mgraesslin> but that never happens
[10:18] <mgraesslin> and if KWin disables because of that, there are more options written
[10:19] <mgraesslin> it's hard disabled somewhere in Kubuntu
[10:19] <mgraesslin> apachelogger did once an investigation
[10:19] <yofel> apachelogger: wake up
[10:24] <mgraesslin> yofel: it was something like Compiz tool told KWin to enable compositing, it crashed and that's why it's disabled on the live CD since 8.10
[10:26] <dmatt> hi, is there any reason language-selector-kde is not available for raring? http://packages.ubuntu.com/uk/raring/language-selector-kde
[10:29] <dmatt> I found it was removed http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.raring/5223 , i could not find any other module replacing it
[10:30] <yofel> dmatt: it was replaced by http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_langpack_install.diff
[10:31] <yofel> as language-selector-kde didn't work anymore after language-selector was ported to python3
[10:33] <yofel> mgraesslin: makes sense, it's just that I currently don't understand how the live session kwinrc is even created
[10:34] <smartboyhw> sorry
[10:34] <dmatt> yofel: thanks
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[10:40] <yofel> Riddell, mgraesslin: ah, found it. ubiquity-dm force-disabled kwin compositing
[10:42] <yofel> Riddell: more specifically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm line 522
[10:43] <xnox> yofel: which is a bit silly since the gtk frontend is "force-enabling" compositing for metacity for a long time now.
[10:43] <yofel> yeah
[10:45] <yofel> bug 285626
[10:45] <mgraesslin> 2008...
[10:52] <yofel> this is fun. I purge kwinrc, remove the code that disables compositing, and now I have a new setting block that sets compositing to XRender and GraphicsSystem to native
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: good detective work
[10:55] <yofel> anyway
[10:55]  * yofel -> lunch
[10:58] <mgraesslin> yofel: that sounds fine - fallback to XRender if OpenGL is not supported
[11:11]  * smartboyhw wonders has Riddell or yofel merged in his branch
[11:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: stuck catching up on ubuntu-devel
[11:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I'll take a break and get onto yours
[11:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how did rekonq get on?
[11:12] <Riddell> ooh it's in, lovely
[11:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, merged (with some stupid mistakes from me)
[11:24] <yofel> mgraesslin: ah ok, then I guess we only need to remove the code in ubiquity-dm and it'll work
[11:24] <mgraesslin> yofel: yes, hopefully
[11:24] <mgraesslin> at least KWin would then behave like everywhere else
[11:24] <mgraesslin> worst thing that can happen is KWin crashing, restarting and disabling OpenGL
[11:25] <mgraesslin> but that hasn't happened for a long time
[11:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you say "Merge from Debian experimental" but you don't say what the remaining changes are
[11:34] <Riddell> yofel: want me to do that?
[11:35] <yofel> Riddell: yes if you have the time
[11:39] <Quintasan> yofel: Did you fix it?
[11:39] <yofel> Riddell will, but we found the issue at least
[11:39] <Quintasan> Splendid.
[11:39] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/285626 was the reason for turning it off
[11:40] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I can give you my redshift packaging if you really want
[11:40]  * Quintasan wonders why he did not upload that
[11:40] <yofel> Quintasan: if you're looking for work 4.10.1 has some
[11:41] <Quintasan> I'm looking for people to do my work I have not done yet :P
[11:41] <Riddell> erk 4.10.1, I forgot about that
[11:41]  * Riddell adds to the day's todo
[11:42] <Quintasan> yofel: Next time you HAVE to make me run the automation script at least once
[11:42] <Quintasan> because currently I have no idea how we do the preliminary packaging
[11:42] <yofel> uhm, sure. It's running the command, fixing what was moved to manual/ and uploading everything
[11:43] <Quintasan> I see
[11:43] <Quintasan> I need to do it at least once to remember it anyways
[11:43] <yofel> sure
[11:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, em really not much remaining changes.......
[11:52] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, what?
[11:52] <yofel> smartboyhw: the suggests would remain
[11:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[11:53] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well not much still needs to be listed in the changelog
[11:53] <Riddell> that's ubuntu policy
[11:55] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Nothing. Never mind.
[12:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm quite a few http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-gtk-config-debian-ubuntu.diff
[12:14] <yofel> Riddell: what are you diffing against? 3:2.1.1-1~exp1ubuntu1 is in there too
[12:15] <Riddell> oh yes, let me fix
[12:16] <apachelogger> yofel: http://old.nabble.com/Raring-Alpha-2-Live-CD-does-not-enable-Compositing-td35028025.html
[12:16] <Riddell> that's better http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-gtk-config-debian-ubuntu.diff
[12:16] <apachelogger> took me 4 words to find :P
[12:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but you've removed a load of the changelog history?
[12:17] <yofel> apachelogger: yeah well, nvm
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I didn't....
[12:17]  * smartboyhw checks
[12:18] <apachelogger> murthy_: still on the todo
[12:18] <apachelogger> on the top of it though :P
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so what should I do now?
[12:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nothing, I'm about to upload :)
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, now: What redshift packaging you want me to do?
[12:22] <Quintasan> None
[12:23] <smartboyhw> OK so everybody is playing a trick on me:(
[12:24] <yofel> Riddell: btw. can we upload some version of user-manager before feature freeze? Or should we wait until it's out + FFE
[12:24] <Riddell> yofel: yeah let's get that uploaded
[12:24] <yofel> \o/
[12:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no we're just being indecisive, not your fault!
[12:25] <Riddell> yofel: do you know if we have anything currently package-wise?
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh
[12:26]  * smartboyhw spits out a ball of blood
[12:26] <yofel> only if those daily builds that shadeslayer and apachelogger were supposed to make work
[12:27]  * Riddell grabs from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[12:35] <Riddell> "Description: user management tool for the Plasma workspace"
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm we've gone from describing things as being for KDE to for Plasma?
[12:35] <Riddell> is that much better?
[12:36] <yofel> you could write Workspace, there's not much else that fits into upstream's current branding policy
[12:36] <yofel> as in KDE Workspace
[12:37] <yofel> but it's either that or plasma
[12:39] <Quintasan> Christ
[12:39] <Riddell> yofel: I wonder more thining that it's not KDE specific at all, but since it's a kcm I guess it is
[12:39] <Riddell> src/account.ui:         <string>Jhon Doe</string>
[12:39] <Quintasan> I can't update ktp for life of me from dailies
[12:39] <Riddell> afiestas: you know the US term is spelt "John Doe" ?
[12:39] <yofel> hm
[12:39] <Riddell> afiestas: how would you translate that into Spanish or Catalunian? cos I've no idea how to translate it into British English
[12:40] <Quintasan> like John Smith?
[12:40] <Quintasan> :P
[12:40] <Riddell> Quintasan: that might work
[12:41] <Riddell> although I object to putting a silent h in names, since so many English people want to call me John :)
[12:41] <Quintasan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_Joe
[12:41] <Quintasan> There you go
[12:43] <Riddell> yes, very US-centric term
[12:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: There is a list of variants in other countries :P
[12:44] <Quintasan> like Jan Kowalski in Polish
[12:45] <Riddell> ah, Joe Bloggs, that's a good British alternative
[12:46] <dantti_laptop> hi, is there a reason why qt5widgets does not have a -dev package? and no qt docs installed on raring(ie QtCreator doesn't show them anymore)?
[12:48] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: qtwidgets is qtbase5-dev no?
[12:48] <dantti_laptop> hmm let me install
[12:48] <dantti_laptop> this new naming scheme is quite confusing...
[12:49] <Riddell> it's just using upstream's names
[12:50] <dantti_laptop> ok, probably just need to get used
[12:51] <Riddell> qt docs I don't know about, would take some digging to work out what's changed I think
[12:52] <smartboyhw> Thanks Riddell for uploading:)
[12:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, some questions: 1. Is it that only ~kubuntu-members and ~ubuntu-core-devs can get to ~kubuntu-packagers and 2. How long (or how many packages) should I package before I try to apply for ~kubuntu-dev or MOTU?
[12:56] <yofel> smartboyhw: get in kubuntu-members first, and you can apply for ~kubuntu-dev as soon as you want and fill in the paperwork
[12:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, K
[12:56]  * smartboyhw waits for next Council meeting
[12:56] <yofel> smartboyhw: i.e. schedule one. Without a reason we don't have meetings
[12:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh..... (That could take years)
[12:57] <yofel> schedule == make a doodle page and send a mail to the list
[12:57] <yofel> and fill in the meeting page with your membership request
[12:58] <smartboyhw> yofel, well I won't even schedule one just because of my membership......
[12:59] <yofel> why not?
[12:59] <yofel> actually
[12:59] <yofel> we could schedule it at the weekend after our mumble talk if you can round up enough KC members
[12:59] <smartboyhw> yofel, mumble talk = ?
[13:00] <yofel> smartboyhw: see ML, we wanted to have our own short meetup using mumble to discuss the whole rolling release thing
[13:00] <yofel> we just didn't schedule a time for it yet
[13:00] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[13:01] <smartboyhw> But then maybe my timezone doesn't fit
[13:01] <smartboyhw> And KC members are a priority
[13:02] <yofel> smartboyhw: sure, but it won't hurt to try
[13:05] <smartboyhw> yofel, you guys hold KC meetings in here or at #ubuntu-meeting?
[13:06] <yofel> #ubuntu-meeting, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:16] <apachelogger> yofel: hm?
[13:16] <yofel> hm what?
[13:16] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: !??
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm !? at apachelogger's ping of yofel then you !?? !!?!?!
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: I stole your packaging for user-config now in New queue
[13:20] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, the world's worst e-mail draft: http://paste.kde.org/687332/
[13:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: looks good
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, really?
[13:24] <yofel> ship it
[13:24] <yofel> er, send it
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell + yofel , the doodle poll doesn't:P
[13:25] <Riddell> yofel: ssh that's the secret debian upload password!
[13:25] <yofel> well, it's not like this channel's logged >.>
[13:25] <yofel> :P
[13:26] <Riddell> phew
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, !?
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Email sent
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Hi BluesKaj
[13:44] <ovidiu-florin> the first link in the status resulted in a error 400
[13:44] <ovidiu-florin> the link with the to do notes
[13:45] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, ?
[13:45] <ovidiu-florin> http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas does not work
[13:45] <ovidiu-florin> it says 400 Bad Request
[13:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: works for me
[13:46] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, works for me
[13:47] <ovidiu-florin> weird
[13:47] <ovidiu-florin> I'll try cleaning my cache
[13:48] <ovidiu-florin> it works now
[13:48] <ovidiu-florin> thank's
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: neato
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: you mean user-manager though?
[13:53] <apachelogger> userconfig is what we have right now ^^
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: does it work yet?
[13:54] <apachelogger> tried it last week monday or so and it was not really doing anything for me ^^
[13:56] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw et al
[13:56] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: tldr mail
[13:58] <yofel> apachelogger: just fill in whether you're still awake at 7am and you're done
[13:58] <jussi> o/
[13:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: um yes that one
[14:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems to do the job
[14:00] <Riddell> ah but can't change user photo
[14:00] <Riddell> that's a pretty critical feature
[14:01] <yofel> afiestas said it'll be getting the missing features in time. Worst case we can always just stick to userconfig which should work again with the next pykde4 upload
[14:02] <Riddell> hum, my subscription to kubuntu-devel doesn't seem to be working
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, !?
[14:03] <Riddell> smartboyhw: your e-mail hasn't arrived
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh!?
[14:03]  * smartboyhw is surprised
[14:03] <smartboyhw> yofel, did you receive it?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I have problems with ubuntu-devel :P
[14:03] <Riddell> it's in the archives
[14:03] <Riddell> so you sent it ok
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[14:04] <yofel> it arrived here
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm then
[14:04] <Riddell> ah ninjas build_status now lists lintian issues, that's explains all the yellow
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[14:05] <Riddell> the trouble with some lintian issues is they're not a problem like old standards version but fixing them would make a diff compared to debian
[14:06] <smartboyhw> And more strangely, all lintian warnings apply to i386...
[14:06] <yofel> Riddell: that's why all the non-fat stuff is whitelisted
[14:07] <yofel> smartboyhw: they're only generated on i386
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Except some of them of course
[14:07] <Riddell> yofel: non-fat?
[14:08] <yofel> Riddell: only the  lintian warnings that are fat on the page make the package yellow
[14:08] <yofel> stuff like old standards version or so won't
[14:08] <yofel> Riddell: there's a lintian-ignore.json in the automation repo where that's set
[14:08] <Riddell> lovely
[14:08] <yofel> there's probably still some other things that can be whitelisted, I didn't read through all of them
[14:09] <shadeslayer> huzzah, I have a computer again
[14:10] <shadeslayer> but it's filled with some crap OS called OS X
[14:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where did it go?
[14:10] <yofel> smartboyhw: you do have a spare DVD lying around? :P
[14:10] <yofel> erm, shadeslayer ^
[14:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, no. Why
[14:10] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:10] <Riddell> why won't this nexus 7 charge?!
[14:10] <yofel> smartboyhw: shadeslayer's mac needs special care during install ^^
[14:11] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh
[14:11] <smartboyhw> No:P
[14:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: not anymore
[14:11] <yofel> oh?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> I can install from a USB now
[14:11] <shadeslayer> but
[14:11] <yofel> \o/
[14:12] <shadeslayer> my ISO is on a external HDD, which is with a friend who is going to come in another 30 mins :P
[14:12] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:13] <apachelogger> yofel: 7am?
[14:13] <apachelogger> what, UTC?
[14:13] <yofel> local
[14:13] <apachelogger> who holds meetings in the middle of the night :O
[14:13] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[14:14] <shadeslayer> inorite
[14:14] <apachelogger> srsly, why 7am?
[14:14] <apachelogger> that's like way early
[14:14] <shadeslayer> wait
[14:15] <shadeslayer> 7 AM works fine for me xD
[14:15] <apachelogger> that's cuz you are in the future :P
[14:15]  * yofel can spare an hour before work or over the weekend at 7am ^^
[14:15] <shadeslayer> ain't that awesome
[14:15] <apachelogger> real developers work at night :P
[14:16] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:16] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I am one:p
[14:17] <shadeslayer> :'(
[14:17] <apachelogger> ah well
[14:17] <shadeslayer> I keep going to the top left of the screen to toggle that show windows effect
[14:17] <apachelogger> just call me if you don't get to a quorum :P
[14:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are silly
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Why does membership meetings always don't have enough quorum!?
[14:18] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no this OS is silly
[14:18]  * smartboyhw remembers his Ubuntu DMB meeting...
[14:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perhaps
[14:18] <apachelogger> so what I do not get
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you want the cost including shipping?
[14:19] <apachelogger> smartboyhw hangs around in european afternoons (us mornings) so why not have the meeting at such a time? :P
[14:19] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, that's a good time....
[14:19] <shadeslayer> did people nominate people for KC?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, wait what time is it showing for you (in UTC)?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, until May I think
[14:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Quintasan was supposed to
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 6 utc
[14:20] <shadeslayer> wat
[14:20] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, !?'
[14:20] <smartboyhw> ****
[14:20] <shadeslayer> you meant smartboyhw I guess
[14:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah
[14:21] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, apachelogger ignore that doodle
[14:21] <smartboyhw> THAT IS WRONG
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay, I'll ask spacetime how much it costs
[14:21] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130304T06
[14:21] <apachelogger> phew
[14:22]  * apachelogger dodged a bullet there
[14:22] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I actually set it to 14:00 HKT....
[14:22] <smartboyhw> DAMn
[14:22] <apachelogger> you shoudl be able to edit it I think
[14:22] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I didn't create a user account:P
[14:23] <apachelogger> 14 HKT is 6 UTC, no?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I want to set 14 UTC...
[14:23] <apachelogger> AH
[14:24] <apachelogger> that makes more sense I guess
[14:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, check the email
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Should be correct
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel shadeslayer ^
[14:24] <apachelogger> hm
[14:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, !?
[14:24] <apachelogger> that still looks wrng
[14:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, what the.....
[14:25] <apachelogger> also I can't change the timezone ^^
[14:25] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, sorry
[14:25] <apachelogger> the first doodle had a nice change timezone button on the top right
[14:25]  * smartboyhw really hates doodle
[14:26] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, http://doodle.com/gb9zc9hsb8vt7rbb ?
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Check it
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Is it working?
[14:26] <yofel> now that's better
[14:27] <smartboyhw> LOl
[14:27] <apachelogger> we finally arrived at 14 utc
[14:27] <apachelogger> 'o/
[14:27] <apachelogger> emotefail
[14:28] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer ^
[14:28] <smartboyhw> jussi, ^
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, ^
[14:28] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[14:28] <Riddell> what what?
[14:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, use irc nick please:P
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the really working doodle time poll:P
[14:29] <apachelogger> I did
[14:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, that's because I edited it for you:P
[14:29] <smartboyhw> You used logger....
[14:30] <apachelogger> I know
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Who's Phillp? yofel right?
[14:30] <yofel> right
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Ok all weekends
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Saturday maybe?
[14:33] <yofel> we'll see tomorrow once the rest has filled in their times
[14:34] <yofel> ScottK, JontheEchidna ^
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Oops the topic is too hell long now:(
[14:37] <tsimpson> you probably didn't mean to quote it
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, strange. Ubuntu Studio just added Krita as their seeds. So if I got Calligra packaging wrong I am affecting two distros instead of one.... Hmm......................
[14:40] <yofel> that's true for other things already. e.g. edubuntu ships pieces of kdeedu
[14:41] <smartboyhw> yofel, and the trouble is: I'm directly one of the contributors of BOTH distros, which aren't good
[14:41] <yofel> ^^
[14:41] <smartboyhw> So if I get it wrong more people will come and KILL me
[14:42]  * smartboyhw hides
[14:42]  * smartboyhw yawns
[14:42]  * smartboyhw thinks
[14:42] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:42] <yofel> well, once you're ubuntu-dev people will have the official permission to do so
[14:42] <yofel> so get used to it :P
[14:43] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh oh:P
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh that's very cool
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: default install from the CDs?
[14:43] <smartboyhw> and at the same time :( personally:P
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, s/CDs/DVDs/ but yep
[14:44] <Riddell> boud will be happy
[14:44] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:50] <shadeslayer> eh
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's showing 500 USD as the shipping cost, that can't be right :P
[14:50] <shadeslayer> trying to figure it out
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, XD
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you mean total!?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> no
[14:50] <shadeslayer> just the shipping cost
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, don't forget to vote:)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !?
[14:51] <apachelogger> -1
[14:51] <shadeslayer> see http://www.hopshopgo.com/hopshopgo/start-register.do?l=en&c=IN and http://ppobox.com/
[14:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: boud says krita needs Vc
[14:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what are you exactly buying!?
[14:51] <apachelogger> what are we voting on?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> vote?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> I am not KC
[14:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you having it delivered via the moon? :P
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Vc !?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, the time of KC meeting duh:P
[14:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: xD
[14:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I think you can still vote
[14:51]  * smartboyhw doesn't care
[14:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer doesn't matter
[14:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I don't know either
[14:51] <apachelogger> he's not council :P
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will get to #krita then
[14:51] <shadeslayer> what apachelogger said
[14:51] <apachelogger> also he's lazy and apparently doesn't want to join the council
[14:51] <Riddell> * Vc  <http://code.compeng.uni-frankfurt.de/projects/vc> Portable, zero-overhead SIMD library for C++ Required by the Krita for vectorization
[14:51] <apachelogger> also
[14:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: !!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: #calligra
[14:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no one nominated me
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[14:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we can build without vc
[14:52] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, if I became member the first thing I would do is to nominate you....
[14:52] <shadeslayer> or
[14:52] <shadeslayer> well
[14:52] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, true
[14:52] <shadeslayer> just build with vc stuff on amd64 and arm
[14:52] <apachelogger> .....
[14:52] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:52] <shadeslayer> !arm
[14:52] <apachelogger> everyone wants to be nominated
[14:52] <shadeslayer> ...
[14:52] <apachelogger> ....
[14:53] <smartboyhw> .....
[14:53] <shadeslayer> .....
[14:53] <shadeslayer> aw
[14:53] <shadeslayer> I ruined it
[14:53] <apachelogger> I should nominate you all and then nominate myself and get elected just so that one of you doesn't get it
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how to use Kubotu to issue a needs-packaging bug?
[14:53]  * apachelogger is totally pissed off by that attitude and goes for a walk
[14:53] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, bye bye
[14:53] <Riddell> kubotu: needspackaging vc
[14:54] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage Vc
[14:54] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newpackage'
[14:54] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:54] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage Vc 0.7.0
[14:54] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1144539
[14:54] <Riddell> voila
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, voila
[15:01] <shadeslayer> okay this makes more sense
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.hopshopgo.com/hopshopgo/start-shiptrack.do
[15:02] <shadeslayer> shipping to india ( Standard ) will take about 25 USD
[15:02] <shadeslayer> or if you want me to get it really really fast, 30 USD :P
[15:02] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :)
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Strange, the Freenode server I am on is actually a server named after James Cameron.....
[15:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: maybe it's an avatar
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL. BTW who manages the Kubuntu G+ page?
[15:16] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, see: I told you that 500USD or so should be total (LOL)
[15:16]  * smartboyhw wants a Nexus 7 too:P
[15:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: mm I forget, a guy who came in here once and seemed friendly enough
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, who?
[15:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: doesn't it say on the page somewhere?
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I've closed the page anyway.... BTW you haven't voted...
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Here comes the community manager....
[15:27] <jussi> Riddell: apachelogger ScottK et al, please just make a meeting time. My brother will be here, but Ill try to make any "reasonable" time, but there arent any times I want to 100% commit to.
[16:13] <jessie> Is there any way I can install the plasma-desktop debug symbols?
[16:14] <Riddell> kdebase isn't it?
[16:14] <Riddell> wait, that changed years ago
[16:14] <ScottK> Isn't it kde-workspace-dbg
[16:14] <Riddell> yes, kde-workspace-dbg
[16:14] <Riddell> I was having a relapse
[16:14] <ScottK> jessie: ^^^ install taht
[16:14] <ScottK> s/taht/that
[16:14] <jessie> I have that one installed and when plasma-desktop crashes, I get no debug info for it. :-|
[16:15] <shadeslayer> maybe it's missing something else?
[16:16] <jessie> That's possible, but when I click the "Install Debug Packages" in Dr. Konqi, it doesn't list any more packages as needing installation.
[16:16] <shadeslayer> hm
[16:33] <Riddell> it's been suggested to have a flavours session at UDS, should we?
[16:35] <mikhas> Hm, ice cream …
[16:35] <yofel> xubuntu planned a session https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/community-xubuntu-contingencies
[16:36] <yofel> do we need one during uds?
[16:36] <yofel> with only some of us taking part?
[16:36] <Riddell> yofel: dunno, it might be useful just to ee how well it works (or not)
[16:38] <yofel> well, then we can at least say we tried it
[16:48] <jono> Riddell, do you need any UDS sessions scheduling?
[16:49] <Riddell> jono: dunno we're still pondering
[16:49] <jono> Riddell, np, let me know if I can help with anything
[17:35] <Alex_Zion> hi everyone, O have some problem with Amarok , when I start it , it just start to use 94% of my CPU, just strarting it , without playing music....., amarok is getting better or worst !?! few months ago it was still usable actually ......
[17:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the only thing we have to talk about right now is contingencies for this rolling business.  I'd prefer we schedule something on our own (how about on Wednesday, Tuesday is bad for me) where we talk about it via mumble and stay away from this entire UDS thing.
[17:58] <ScottK> So Canonical is going to do their own X windows replacement too.
[17:58] <yofel> wait what?
[17:59] <ScottK> Read u-devel
[17:59] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec
[17:59] <shadeslayer> aye
[17:59] <yofel> fuuuuun
[17:59] <shadeslayer> I wonder if that's only for Ubuntu touch or all flavors/distros
[18:00] <ScottK> It's for Unity.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> including the desktop variant of Ubuntu
[18:00] <shadeslayer> hm
[18:00] <ScottK> So it's for all the Canonical desktop stuff.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:00] <ScottK> Which means that if we want X or Wayland, a year from now we have to maintain that too.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure whether this is good or bad or whatever
[18:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: and what about touchscreen devices
[18:01] <ScottK> That's part of their convergence strategy, so I'm sure that's included too.
[18:01] <shadeslayer> no
[18:01] <shadeslayer> I meant
[18:01] <shadeslayer> for us
[18:01] <ScottK> From the spec:
[18:01] <ScottK> April 2014
[18:01] <ScottK> Complete convergence across the form factors is achieved, with Mir serving as the carrier across form factors, powering a seamless transition between different use-cases and devices.
[18:01] <ScottK> Hard to say.
[18:02] <yofel> unless upstream decides to support it I doubt it has much relevance for us
[18:02] <ScottK> My initial reaction is that we can fold our tent and go home now or a year from now, it's pretty inevitable.
[18:02] <shadeslayer> I guess we'll have to wait for mgrasselin to show up
[18:02] <yofel> even if qt5 will support it
[18:02] <ScottK> They are going to write stuff so that Qt5 does.
[18:02] <shadeslayer> yeah ^
[18:03] <shadeslayer> because they're switching unity to Qt5
[18:13] <esing> H
[18:14] <esing>  I want to migrate from arch (de: kde) to kubuntu; will my application configurations be migrated automatically by using my arch /home folder and just installing the programs new in kubuntu?
[20:15] <yofel> I think I'll run the backport script for 4.10.1 later hoping that kdenetwork and kstars will build fine in quantal
[20:51] <yofel> meh, calligra in backports is stuck in the build queue
[20:51]  * yofel re-uploads
[21:11] <evilshadeslayer> OS X is weird
[21:12] <evilshadeslayer> apparently you have to send the INFO signal to get the progress of dd
[21:12] <evilshadeslayer> unlike Linux where you send USR
[21:12] <evilshadeslayer> *USR1
[21:13] <jessie_> Silly BSDs.
[21:32] <yofel> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-mir-converged
[21:32] <yofel> fun dependency tree a the bottom
[21:37] <ScottK> Yeah.
[21:50] <yofel> btw. I would appreciate a review of bug 1084730
[23:41] <yofel> there's #ubuntu-mir now btw.
[23:49]  * evilshadeslayer is back in linux land after 4 full days
[23:54] <yofel> lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
[23:54] <yofel> grrrrrrrr


[00:28] <brousch> you can get ext3 and ntfs for osx
[00:28] <brousch> it'll also do fat
[02:47] <Blazeix> rick_h_: this is the file/blob api I was talking about: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/file/xhr2/
[02:47] <Blazeix> not sure if it will do what you need, it really seems like html5 manifest is the way to go
[03:08] <rick_h_> Blazeix: ok cool, will check that out then
[03:09] <rick_h_> yea, the file api stuff looks like it's upload/local access only
[03:09] <rick_h_> not store down
[03:09] <rick_h_> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/file/dndfiles/
[03:11] <Blazeix> rick_h_: if you scroll down to the 'practical examples' there might be more useful stuff
[03:11] <Blazeix> like using http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/file/filesystem/
[03:13] <rick_h_> oh hmm, the use cases have download items in there
[03:15] <rick_h_> oh nice, that has file writing, directories, very cool
[03:16] <Blazeix> yeah, I think if you really wanted to, you could recreate the manifest functionality :P
[03:17] <rick_h_> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-html5/browse_thread/thread/9be7a2dc04d9af67
[03:17] <rick_h_> lol
[03:17] <rick_h_> ok, will check out the manifest then
[03:17] <rick_h_> I guess I did say it was chrome only
[03:17] <rick_h_> so not like I have to make it compatible, and often the issues are mobile specific
[03:18] <rick_h_> just hear enough people complain and you block out certain ideas
[03:18] <rick_h_> wonder if I can still use that quota api stuff with manifest
[03:52] <snap-l> I love that by putting up three videos on the internet about Scribus, I'm somehow a Scribus guru
[03:53] <Blazeix> I'd say that qualifies, actually.
[03:54] <snap-l> I've got a guy in Windows who is asking me about fonts.
[11:39] <brousch> http://www.infoworld.com/d/application-development/pillars-python-six-python-web-frameworks-compared-169442
[11:39] <brousch> Web2py FTW!
[11:45] <snap-l> And this is why I think Infoworld is stupid
[11:46] <brousch> wtf is cubicweb?
[11:46] <snap-l> MAke a controversial article with half-truths, and just watch the clicks pour in
[11:47] <brousch> damn, i'm feeding the corporate troll?
[11:47] <snap-l> Yep
[11:47] <snap-l> Think about it; what purpose would having the comparison chart on the front page serve? Aren't those usually at the end of the article?
[11:47] <snap-l> But, put it at the front of the article:
[11:48] <brousch> the article has no substance
[11:48] <snap-l> "Web2py got a 9 for capability, but Pyramid got an 8. WTF?"
[11:48] <brousch> and zope got 9!
[11:48] <snap-l> Web2py got a 9 for ease of installation, but Pyramid for an 8. WTF?"
[11:48] <brousch> that's probably correct
[11:48] <snap-l> so you're compelled to click to find out why.
[11:49] <snap-l> The Web2py framework is an abstraction paradise. Databases hide behind a Database Abstraction Layer (DAL). Web2py's rendering system will try to find a view that -- depending on context -- displays an object in HTML, XML, JSON, or any of the half-dozen protocols the framework supports. Intelligently crafted by a professor of computer science, Web2py's template system actually lets you use Python as an HTML-embeddable scripting language. Fa
[11:49] <snap-l> Pyramid is also minimalist Web framework, not so much in its capability as its philosophy. It makes no assertion concerning the back-end database you should use, nor does it foist a particular template system on the developer. (Currently, Pyramid supports two, though Pyramid itself tries to remain agnostic regarding the choice.) If Pyramid has any blemishes, it is the quirky terminology with which its documentation describes the framework.
[11:50] <snap-l> This article makes no justification for any of their assertions.
[11:50] <snap-l> it's crap
[11:50] <brousch> yeah, no msubstance
[11:50] <snap-l> Where did you see this?
[11:51] <Wolfger> morning
[11:51] <brousch> #pocoo, the Flask channel
[11:52] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/jegm3/pillars_of_python_six_python_web_frameworks/
[11:52] <snap-l> Vote that sucker down, and vote my comment up. ;)
[11:52] <snap-l> (please)
[11:53] <brousch> all i have is a troll reddit account
[11:54] <brousch> there, i registered just for you
[11:55] <snap-l> Thank you. :)
[11:57] <Wolfger> voted snap-l down and the article up
[11:57] <Wolfger> oh wait, I mean, the other way around :-)
[11:58] <snap-l> Thank you. :)
[12:02] <rick_h_> this is what I wake up to?
[12:02] <rick_h_> *sigh*
[12:03] <brousch> just getting you fired up for the day ahead
[12:04] <rick_h_> https://github.com/Pylons/pyramid_debugtoolbar/commit/3ff51ce8f51d025a68f94c2961c5740cbc3d3167
[12:04] <rick_h_> lol
[12:04] <snap-l> rick_h_: Isn't it great how our assumptions are challenged on a daily basis. ;)
[12:05] <rick_h_> yea, once I saw that zope had a easier to dev for than pyramid I stopped reading
[12:05] <snap-l> (was re: pyramid dependencies)
[12:05] <rick_h_> I just love that commit message
[12:05] <snap-l> Very straightforward.
[12:07] <rick_h_> http://xkcd.com/936/ exactly! I've been trying to convince my wife of this for years!
[12:11] <snap-l> Yes
[12:11] <snap-l> Every administrator out there that has ever put a password policy in place needs to see ths
[12:13] <snap-l> What grinds me is that we're following standards that were put into place when passwords were saved as clear text in character-limited fields
[12:13] <snap-l> and frankly, that's no longer true, nor the case, nor advisable, nor sane
[12:17] <rick_h_> and the hash of that long sentence is just the same db store size as 12345
[12:17] <snap-l> precisely.
[12:18] <snap-l> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1577.html
[12:23] <_stink_> joined late, is there a link that started the password discussion?
[12:23] <snap-l> http://xkcd.com/936/
[12:23] <_stink_> oh, hah, xkcd. :)
[12:28] <rick_h_> boom! https://read.amazon.com/
[12:30] <snap-l> twitch
[12:31] <rick_h_> oh man this is awesome
[12:31] <rick_h_> pin and downloads for offline reading
[12:32] <snap-l> At least it would give me a chance to read the kindle-only ebooks that are so prevalent
[12:32] <rick_h_> change font sizes, spacing like a kindle
[12:32] <brousch> oh awesome, now my chromebook is a kindle
[12:32] <snap-l> After much attempts to reach you on phone, I deemed it necessary and urgent to contact you via your e-mail address and to notify you finally about your outstanding compensation payment.
[12:33] <snap-l> During our last annual calculation of your banking activities we have realized that you are eligible to receive a compensation payment of $800,000.00 USD.
[12:33] <snap-l> Wow, who knew all that direct deposit, debit card usage, and trips to the ATM would pay off so handsomely.
[12:33] <snap-l> Please take note that you will pay a shipping/handling fee of $150 USD to UPS.
[12:33] <rick_h_> crap, can't find a search option tough
[12:34] <rick_h_> I've been dying to be able to load/search my books from the browser
[12:34] <brousch> snap-l: be careful. some of those are scams
[12:34] <snap-l> brousch: some?
[12:34] <brousch> :-D
[12:34] <snap-l> $150 fee to UPS. Are they shipping my $800K inside an elephant?
[12:35] <snap-l> And do they not trust the power of wire transfer?
[12:36] <brousch> it will come to as rolls of pennies
[12:40] <snap-l> Half-tempted to say that I'll western-union the $150, if he would send me $25 to cover it via paypal
[12:43] <snap-l> "Nuts, the nearest WEstern Union from me is over 300 miiles away, and I have no money for gas. Wouldyou front me an additional $25 to cover the trip?"
[12:43] <snap-l> etc., ad nauseum.
[12:50] <Wolfger> "I don't have paypal. If you sent me $5 to cover the postage and envelope, I'll mail it to you."
[12:50] <snap-l> I don't want to give out my address.
[12:51] <Wolfger> then how will UPS deliver the $800k?
[12:52] <snap-l> Wolfger: You're not a good scam artist. ;)
[12:52] <Wolfger> darn
[12:53] <Wolfger> there goes my career planning
[12:53] <snap-l> Perhaps you can have a much more fulfilled career in agriculture?
[12:54] <Wolfger> rick_h_: that xkcd ignores the existence of dictionary attacks... (though I'm not sure if that applies so well when the length of the password is unknown)
[12:55] <snap-l> Wolfger: Actually, it does
[12:56] <snap-l> You've just increased the rainbow table size significantly.
[12:56] <Wolfger> and dammit... now that my chromebook is a defacto Kindle, I may just have to start using both my chromebook and Kindle
[12:56] <Wolfger> :-p
[12:57] <Wolfger> defeat dictionary attacks by using a different language.... "orrectcay orsehay atterybay aplestay" :-)
[12:58]  * Wolfger - promoting better passwords and pig latin, all at once.
[13:00] <Wolfger> also, the extra letters increase security versus brute force
[13:04] <rick_h_> I've been doing this forever on my ssh keys
[13:04] <rick_h_> you want to try to brute force it go ahead
[13:04] <rick_h_> one of the words in the phrase is from a book and you won't find it in any dictionary
[13:06] <Wolfger> well there you go. Another way around dictionary attacks :-)
[13:07] <Wolfger> what's the word? ;-)
[13:08] <rick_h_> toolernator :P
[13:10] <nullspace> bah you can brute force that
[13:10] <rick_h_> nullspace: the point is that it's one word in a sentence/phrase
[13:11] <Wolfger> now if we could just get all sites, OS's, and corp security rules to stop enforcing silly password rules....
[13:11] <Wolfger> what really irks me is when a site restricts your password to "no more than 8 characters". How does that help anybody?
[13:12] <nullspace> Wolfger: well they need to start by making it hard to steal hashes
[13:12] <nullspace> and tell users to no reuse their passwords
[13:12] <Wolfger> which isn't going to happen
[13:13] <Wolfger> sensible password policies would enable people to use different passwords in different places, and actually remember them
[13:13] <Wolfger> until that happens, we're living in a single-point-of-failure world
[13:14] <Wolfger> we need to make it so that a single hack doesn't expose your entire online existence
[13:16] <nullspace> bloodsample logins, your DNA sequence is read and salted with your cholesterol level which is stored as an SHA256 hash
[13:21] <Wolfger> no good, again. Somebody cracks that, they have your password to everything.
[13:22] <Wolfger> and if your cholesterol level changes, you're in trouble :-p
[13:24] <Wolfger> something like isthayiswayymayaskwayubuntuwayasswordpay is easy to remember, hard to crack, and unique to one site.
[13:27] <jrwren> i missed broot farce discussion?
[13:27] <jrwren> lol.
[13:27] <jrwren> cholesterol lvel changes too much.
[13:27] <jrwren> and dna is too easy to steal
[13:28] <Wolfger> indeed
[13:28] <Wolfger> if they get a blood sample, they have your password :-)
[13:35] <snap-l> Yeah, we need something that isn't likely to change
[13:36] <snap-l> and isn't likely to get removed from your body without you noticing and or caring
[13:36] <snap-l> That's why I advocate spinal tap passwords
[13:37] <jrwren> i think pass phrases are more powerful than bio id.
[13:37] <jrwren> bio can be fooled. cut off a finger, cut out an eye.
[13:38] <jrwren> but a passphrase is secure in my brain
[13:39] <Wolfger> torture!
[13:39] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:40] <Wolfger> pass phrases are far better than bio for one simple reason: You can change them when they are compromised, and they will not change without the consent of somebody who has access already (as opposed to, say, cholesterol level)
[13:41] <Wolfger> also, bio id is bad when the hardware malfunctions and you are denied access because it can't scan whatever body part is required.
[13:43] <jrwren> yup
[13:43] <jrwren> all that said.... I love my fingerprint reader login.
[13:43] <jrwren> swipe my finger and I don't have to type my long passphrase
[13:43] <snap-l> Wondering how long it'll be before they have dickID
[13:43] <Wolfger> which finger do I need to remove? ;-)
[13:44] <Wolfger> snap-l: I think you'll find a finger reader will work on that appendage as well
[13:44] <jrwren> yup... that part Is a little scary.
[13:44] <jrwren> especially with my ssh agent running
[13:44] <jrwren> and and for a while there I had passwordless sudo setup :)
[15:04] <brousch> ug. i've already modified an old data export script in java and an autocad drawing macro in VB
[15:04] <brousch> i need my python
[15:56] <Wolfger> I'm sure there's a joke there, but I'm not going to touch it...
[15:57] <snap-l> Wolfger: Go on, touch brousch's python
[15:57] <brousch> it won't hurt you
[15:58] <ptenhoopen> Creepy
[16:03] <snap-l> Can we have fall now?
[16:04] <snap-l> Seriously loving the breeze over here
[16:04] <snap-l> Also listening to Mahler's 9th. :)
[16:04] <snap-l> Symphony No. 9 in D Major; III. Rondo-Burleske: Allegro assai. Sehr trotzig
[16:05] <rick_h_> yea, open windows during work ftw!
[16:30] <Wolfger> I wish I could open these windows...
[16:31] <Wolfger> it's gorgeous outside. I hope the weather stay just like this for the rest of August.
[16:33] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrkAuwaoFGg&feature=player_embedded
[17:05] <snap-l> Office 365 Man: https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/office365.jpg?w=f977e754
[17:21] <rick_h_> Error (403)
[17:23] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/19ZX/
[17:23] <snap-l> Also, Ubuntu One is a POS.
[17:24] <brousch> i tried ubuntuone and ran into many syncing problems
[17:24] <brousch> dropbox is still the best
[17:42] <snap-l> JoDee has threatened to make me tea
[17:42] <rick_h_> that bad?
[17:42] <rick_h_> can she make me some?
[17:42] <snap-l> of course, it's not a threat when I wouldn't mind having tea, now is it?
[17:43] <rick_h_> but right now you're anti-tea allergies are going full force?
[17:43] <snap-l> Nah, it's just not fall
[17:43] <snap-l> usually summer is iced tea, not hot tea
[17:45] <Blazeix> rick_h_: are you going to be at CHC tonight?
[17:45] <Blazeix> if so, I may pick your brain on message queueing technology
[17:46] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yep
[17:48] <Blazeix> cool
[18:07] <Wolfger> Mmmmm...   Kill them now.
[18:47] <snap-l> I think country music should be illegal for corporate presentations
[18:49] <Blazeix> if they use country, does that open the floodgates? Could you use metal during your presentations?
[18:49] <snap-l> Somehow I doubt that
[18:49] <snap-l> though I'd really love to. ;)
[18:54] <TeamXlink> I thought our post  9/11 policy was make airport security unconstitutional, shoot every guy that looks like osama, go back too war again because osama isn't dead, imprision random foriengers without reason for years, and hmmmmm
[18:54] <jrwren> and hold music.
[18:54] <jrwren> hold music should be MUZAK only.
[18:54] <snap-l> Hold music should include Chick Corea's entire back-catalogue, along with Weather Report.
[19:00] <snap-l> Fuck me
[19:00] <snap-l> now it's Sheryl Crow, mangling Kevin Gilbert's music
[19:01] <Blazeix> is this just pre-presentation music, or is it actually part of the presentation?
[19:01] <TeamXlink> When are the DMR laws going too be fixed?
[19:01] <snap-l> pre-presentation
[19:02] <TeamXlink> Thanks good too know.
[19:02]  * TeamXlink
[19:02]  * TeamXlink trololololols
[19:04] <Blazeix> I wouldn't be surprised if the music was just a fellow employee's cruel joke
[19:07] <jrwren> anyone know of a non-shell command that will echo the return status of a program you run?
[19:07] <jrwren> like a wrapper that prints $? after running a command.
[19:11] <snap-l> echo $?
[19:41] <snap-l> Theres a startling similarity between quarterly earnings calls and coach-game postmortems
[19:44] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[19:44] <rick_h_> "get back out there and fight!"
[19:45] <snap-l> We need to get out there, and move the ball bettern than the other team
[19:46] <snap-l> I wonder how many football teams are told "you need to do more with less". ;)
[19:46] <snap-l> Deliver your touchdowns on time and within budget
[23:49] <TeamXlink> Q: Has anyone ever heard anyhing regarding ADHD and fast paced videogames being related or linked in such a way, or even mentioned in the same sentence without the words are not linked in between?
[23:52] <snap-l> no


[02:12] <CyberTails> Hey Jeff, do you need a DVD Burner for FOSSCon to borrow this year if you are doing an installfest? :)
[09:42] <rmg51> Morning
[12:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:09] <KyleYankan> Woof.
[17:50] <pleia2> jedijf: pimped the hacker hall http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=8373
[18:27] <jedijf> pleia2: thanks - can you feel the redbull in that copy
[18:42] <pleia2> hehe
[19:14] <waltman> I thought pleia2's adult beverage of choice was beer, not redbull
[19:14] <pleia2> I quoted jedijf
[19:14] <waltman> ah
[19:15]  * waltman admits he tl;dr'd that :)
[19:16] <pleia2> cut back on the redbull since discovering http://www.makeitmio.com/mio-energy ;)
[19:19] <JonathanD> pleia2: much more portable.
[19:23] <pleia2> cheaper too
[19:23] <JonathanD> pleia2: I'm always carrying water... that'd work really well
[19:24] <JonathanD> pleia2: I found these cans for like 25 cents though... and then they were gone.
[19:24] <JonathanD> http://www.int2-beverages.com/
[19:24] <JonathanD> those
[19:24] <JonathanD> I think they are FOOLS not to be advertising to programmers with that name.
[19:25] <pleia2> hah
[19:58] <waltman> JonathanD: programers these days don't even know what an int is.
[20:26]  * ssweeny shakes his cane at these whipper snapper programmers
[20:43] <KyleYankan> int? Is that the thing from those harry potter movies? The big trees that walked around?
[20:45] <pleia2> oh dear
[20:46] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: fired.
[20:47] <KyleYankan> "Use the Force Harry!" - Gandalf the Bounty Hunter


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[03:25] <Ricky28269> is it just me, or is hibernate buggy?
[03:26] <Burgundavia> yes it is
[03:26] <Burgundavia> are you using binary drivers?
[03:27] <Ricky28269> maybe
[03:27] <Ricky28269> i don't know much about linux, go easy on me :)
[03:29] <Burgundavia> have you installed them?
[03:29] <Ricky28269> what do you mean by binary drivers?
[03:30] <Ricky28269> lol
[03:31] <bimberi> he went easy on you :P
[03:32] <bimberi> binary only video drivers, for example for nvidia and ati cards
[03:32] <LaserJock> Ricky28269: some driver for video cards, wireless cards, etc. aren't open source
[03:32] <LaserJock> so they exist in an already compiled (also known as binary) form
[03:33] <Ricky28269> yes, i have a wireless usb driver through ndiswrapper
[03:34] <Ricky28269> and I think my video card driver might be closed source... stgraber configured it for me earlier today. i think he said it's the amd64 driver for ati, something like that.
[03:35] <Ricky28269> anyway yeah. i just had some weird bugs with restoring from hibernate so i was wondering if i'm not the only one
[03:57] <Ricky28269> Hi, where are programs and their files stored?
[03:59] <LaserJock> Ricky28269: how do you mean?
[03:59] <bimberi> Ricky28269: mostly, the executable portion is in /usr/bin.  Each package puts files in lots of places which you can see via 'dpkg -L <package>' in a terminal
[04:00] <Ricky28269> yeah actually i just found the synaptic package manager will tell me. thanks
[06:37] <highvoltage> is that Edubuntu running on jono's laptop? http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JonoBacon/images/computerarea.jpg
[06:37] <highvoltage> it looks like an Edubuntu theme.
[06:40] <LaserJock> could be the Peace theme
[06:44] <LaserJock> which I don't find particularly peaceful
[06:50] <highvoltage> red doesn't look very peaceful to me.
[06:50] <LaserJock> it's kinda maroon or something
[06:51] <LaserJock> I tried out all the Ubuntu themes blubuntu, tropical, peace the other day
[06:51] <LaserJock> tropical and peace just seemed to intense
[06:52] <highvoltage> I like themes that are high contrast. if everything is the same brightness I have trouble remembering where my concentration is supposed to be
[06:53] <LaserJock> peace is pretty high contrast I guess
[06:53] <LaserJock> the highlight color is the same maroon as the window deco
[06:53] <highvoltage> I like a theme where the focussed window is high contrast and dark, and the inactive windows can have less contrast and be lighter
[06:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:53] <highvoltage> that's just too bright for me.
[06:54] <highvoltage> I like dark colours with high contrast.
[06:54] <highvoltage> where the standard ubuntu theme is light colours with low contrast.
[07:55] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: tell cbx33 sorry I missed you. gotta go to bed. cya later
[07:55] <edubuntugirl> Righto, LaserJock!
[08:41] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: long time, no see
[08:42] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: hi! well yeah...its been a while, i didnt have a working pc...
[09:55] <cbx33> Hi all
[09:55] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: by the way, LaserJock told me to tell you 'sorry I missed you. gotta go to bed. cya later' 1 hours, 59 minutes and 57 seconds ago (on Fri Nov 24 08:55:00 2006)
[09:55] <cbx33> thanks edubuntugirl
[09:57] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:57] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco
[09:58] <jsgotangco> cbx33: how are you doing?
[09:58] <cbx33> yeh not too bad
[09:58] <jsgotangco> hehehe im testing out a new service provider
[09:58] <cbx33> oooh
[09:58] <jsgotangco> wonder how their grid is
[09:58] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:58] <jsgotangco> media temple
[10:00] <jsgotangco> i can host a hundred domains and still be able to pay such a low price
[10:01] <cbx33> oooh
[10:01] <cbx33> me can do that too
[10:02] <jsgotangco> for $20? hehee
[10:15] <cbx33> hmmm
[10:15] <cbx33> no
[10:31] <edubuntugirl> ogra: by the way, pygi told me to tell you 'I'm very sorry for what I'm about to do ...' 1 day, 14 hours, 17 minutes and 14 seconds ago (on Wed Nov 22 21:14:07 2006)
[10:31] <RichEd> hi guys ..., say hello to Poland !
[10:31] <edubuntugirl> RichEd: by the way, Burgwork told me to tell you 'http://opensourceacademy.gov.uk/solutions/casestudies/birminham-city-council/file' 3 days, 10 hours, 40 minutes and 26 seconds ago (on Tue Nov 21 00:51:13 2006)
[10:31] <edubuntugirl> RichEd: by the way, LaserJock told me to tell you 'http://opensourceacademy.gov.uk/solutions/casestudies/birminham-city-council/file' 3 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes and 45 seconds ago (on Tue Nov 21 00:51:54 2006)
[10:31] <willvdl> hey there
[10:33] <ogra> RichEd, hi !
[10:33] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:33] <ajmitch> hi RichEd, ogra
[10:33] <ogra> jsgotangco, jerome !
[10:33] <ogra> nice to see you
[10:33] <ogra> RichEd, ping
[10:34] <RichEd> have to go ... bye
[10:34] <jsgotangco> ogra: yes! still not in normal computing conditions though
[10:36] <willvdl> greetings to all in Poland
[10:37] <jsgotangco> what's in poland?
[10:37] <willvdl> Edulinux
[10:37] <willvdl> RichEd and Ogra are there at the moment
[10:38] <jsgotangco> oohhhh
[10:40] <jsgotangco> ogra must be having fun being on planes most of the time lately hahaha
[10:43] <jsgotangco> cbx33: seriously????
[10:44] <cbx33> seriously
[10:45] <cbx33> uds would have been my first time out of the country
[10:46] <highvoltage> it's such a drain of time. I loose about 1.5h just getting to the airport, checking it, waiting to take off, etc
[10:46] <jsgotangco> heck yeah
[10:46] <jsgotangco> then you fly for 10+ hours
[10:46] <jsgotangco> seeing nothing but clouds
[10:46] <jsgotangco> that's why in long flights i always take the aisle
[10:48] <highvoltage> going to London was strange for me. I expected it to feel strange in another country. but London feels a *lot* like Cape Town
[10:48] <highvoltage> they just have better transport and better Internet.
[10:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:48] <jsgotangco> come here!
[10:48] <jsgotangco> so you'll feel like a complete foreigner
[10:48] <highvoltage> Like I did in Paris :)
[10:49] <jsgotangco> haha yeah
[10:49] <jsgotangco> i felt so alien there
[10:53] <willvdl> highvoltage, you'll dig San Fran then if you reckon London is like Cape Town
[10:53] <highvoltage> willvdl: also similar?
[10:53] <willvdl> yeah
[10:53] <jsgotangco> cbx33: have you seen lost in translation (the movie)
[10:54] <cbx33> no
[10:55] <jsgotangco> imagine you are in uk today the got transported to japan tomorrow
[10:56] <jsgotangco> because you need to do some work
[10:56] <jsgotangco> can you imagine how that would feel
[10:57] <cbx33> cool
[10:57] <cbx33> hehe
[10:57] <cbx33> no I'd be scared
[10:57] <cbx33> and totally confused
[10:57] <jsgotangco> that's how travelling alone can be sometimes
[10:58] <cbx33> yeh
[10:58] <cbx33> I'll bet
[10:58] <jsgotangco> everything would be modern and yet so alien to you
[10:58] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:58] <cbx33> that's whay I was hoping lisa would get sponsored, but she didn;t.....so I was really scared then....but then work said I couldn't go
[11:01] <cbx33> so it all worked out I suppose
[11:06] <cbx33> hey RichEd
[11:07] <RichEd> jinty: ping (this is ogra), could we get included in the alpha programme of schooltool ? whom do we have to contact for that ?
[11:07] <cbx33> Hi OgraEd
[12:03] <lixu> hi
[12:03] <lixu> my edubuntu ltsp project in malawi: http://lix.cc/malawi
[12:41] <stgraber> hi
[12:42] <airjump> hi
[12:49] <stgraber> lixu: How many station did you install ?
[02:21] <lixu> stgraber: 20 fujitsu siemens S300 thinclients
[02:22] <lixu> stgraber: sorry the network here is very poor and i'm connected through my server in zurich
[03:37] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:37] <cbx33> hey sbalneav
[03:37] <sbalneav> Hey, cbx33, saw your blog post.
[03:38] <cbx33> which one?
[03:38] <cbx33> video?
[03:38] <sbalneav> I tried that one suggestion that the person suggested, with the MonitorLayour "CRT+LFP", because I liked the idea of not having to switch...
[03:38] <cbx33> ah yes
[03:38] <cbx33> but it turned out to be bad?
[03:38] <sbalneav> but it didn't work on my i810 laptop.  I'll have to dig into it, because I like the idea.
[03:39] <cbx33> ahhh I had a i855
[03:39] <sbalneav> Yeah, laptop screen doesn't light that way.
[03:39] <cbx33> i see
[03:39] <sbalneav> I think mine's a 925
[03:39] <juliux> hi all
[03:39] <sbalneav> Hello juliux
[03:40] <juliux> it is possible to have the ltsp and tftp server on one server and the dhcp server on an other server?
[03:40] <sbalneav> Sure.
[03:40] <juliux> must i copy the pxe image?
[03:41] <sbalneav> But first, why do you want things that way?  Does your edubuntu server have two nics?
[03:41] <juliux> it is not my problem, there is a user asking
[03:42] <juliux> he has the problem that he has thinclients and normal clients in one network, but if the edubuntu server is down he cant work with the normal thinclients
[03:42] <juliux> so he wants an extra dhcp server
[03:43] <sbalneav> You're always better off having 2 network interfaces, and simply running the dhcpd server for the terminals on the other card, but yes, it is possible to to do.
[03:43] <juliux> he want the dhcp server on an extra server
[03:43] <juliux> because his edubuntu server is not so stabile
[03:43] <juliux> but he needs an dhcp server in his network
[03:45] <sbalneav> I understand why he wants it, but putting terminals on your main network's going to be a performance nightmare.  Terminals use up a fair chunk of bandwidth, so you really want to segment them off on their own network.  Hence the two cards.
[03:45] <juliux> it is not my decision;)
[03:45] <sbalneav> That way, he runs his main dhcpd server like normal, and the dhcpd server for the terminals doesn't interfere with the main one.
[03:45] <juliux> his eduubntu server is not running the whole time
[03:46] <juliux> so he needs an extra dhcp server for the normal clients
[03:46] <sbalneav> Yes, well he can do it either way.
[03:46] <juliux> and how?
[03:47] <sbalneav> By merging the dhcpd.conf file from ubuntu into the dhcpd.conf file on the other machine.
[03:47] <cbx33> I have a w2indows dhcp server
[03:47] <cbx33> and an edubuntu server
[03:47] <juliux> my idea is copy /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp to the new dhcp server, add the filename option, rootpath option and next-server in dhcpd.conf
[03:47] <sbalneav> You don't need to do that.
[03:47] <sbalneav> the tftp server doesn't need to be the same as the dhcpd server.
[03:48] <juliux> ah great
[03:48] <juliux> but i need the next-server option right?
[03:48] <sbalneav> right.
[03:48] <juliux> something else?
[03:48] <sbalneav> Probably lots.
[03:48] <sbalneav> It would depend upon his network setup.
[03:49] <juliux> he as a working dhcpd.conf
[03:49] <juliux> he only want to add the options that he can boot the thinclients from the other server
[03:49] <sbalneav> You've said that 4 or 5 times.
[03:49] <sbalneav> I know.
[03:50] <juliux> so i need more options than the next-server?
[03:50] <sbalneav> Sure, root-path, filename, etc.
[03:50] <juliux> ok but i dont have to copy the pxe image
[03:50] <sbalneav> But they might conflict with stuff he's already got, so you'll have to be careful.
[03:52] <sbalneav> if I could SEE the dhcpd.conf file on the other box, I might be able to offer more advice, but without seeing what's what, I don't want to say "do this", or "do that", and then have you come back here tomorrow saying "he did that, now his whole network won't boot" :)
[03:53] <juliux> i will try to build up a test network hear at home to test that;)
[03:54] <sbalneav> or,
[03:54] <sbalneav> Like I said before...
[03:55] <sbalneav> he could hang all the thin clients off of a separate network interface on the edubuntu server, then he wouldn't have to fiddle with either dhcpd.conf file :)
[03:55] <sbalneav> So you might want to suggest that.
[03:55] <juliux> i suggest that but he said that this is no option
[03:56] <juliux> i suggest als that he can put all the thinclient in one vlan
[04:53] <juliux> sbalneav, can i ask you something more?
[04:53] <sbalneav> Sure.
[04:54] <juliux> it is possible to have a pxe image for ltsp and one for pxe installtion on one server and then choose on the client the ltsp one or the installtion one?
[04:54] <sbalneav> I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
[04:55] <sbalneav> You want a menu on the client that allows you to pick which image to boot?
[04:55] <sbalneav> or you want one client to boot one image, and another to boot a different image?
[04:56] <juliux> i want a menu on the client
[04:56] <juliux> so i can say please start up as a thinclient or installt now this computer via pxe
[04:57] <sbalneav> pxe clients don't have any kind of menu support built in.
[04:57] <sbalneav> So, no, not directly.
[04:57] <juliux> so i can have only one pxe image on the server
[04:58] <sbalneav> No, you can have multiple images, based on mac address.
[04:58] <sbalneav> so you can say "this mac boots this image".
[04:58] <sbalneav> You might be able to do something with grub, I think it has a PXE booting mode, but I've never investigated it.
[05:00] <sbalneav> Ah, it's only grub2, which is experimental.
[05:00] <sbalneav> Etherboot has some kind of menuing system, but that doesn't help you for the PXE clients.
[05:05] <juliux> ah ok
[05:05] <juliux> that is ok with the mac address
[07:14] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: hello
[07:14] <edubuntugirl> buon giorno, highvoltage!
[07:14] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: choose strawberry yoghurt or cream soda yoghurt
[07:14] <edubuntugirl> I choose cream soda yoghurt, highvoltage
[07:14] <highvoltage> good choice.
[10:34] <cliebow> any one fill me in on installing PyGTK?
[10:35] <LaserJock> well, you want to make pygtk apps?
[10:36] <moquist> I'm guessing you want python-gtk2 if you want to make pygtk apps. But I'm not completely sure, never having done so.
[10:40] <cliebow> moquist:it is edsadmin im after
[10:40] <moquist> cliebow: apt-get install edsadmin
[10:40] <cliebow> hmm.
[10:41] <cliebow> but but..i added the link to sources.list ..and it dies
[10:41] <moquist> what link?
[10:41] <moquist> oh, right.
[10:42] <moquist> what dies? at which point?
[10:42] <cliebow> no suitable des implementatrion?
[10:42] <moquist> so edsadmin dies when you try to execute it.
[10:42] <cliebow> it install fine..doesnt run..unless im being dumb again
[10:42] <moquist> are you running edgy?
[10:42] <cliebow> yeah
[10:44] <moquist> cliebow: can you find the place in the source (it's just Python) where it prints the error?
[10:44] <cliebow> i havnt checked the smbldap side..perhaps that is important
[10:44] <moquist> this message prints out immediately when you start edsadmin, right? not after you click on some stuff and try to, say, add a user, or something.
[10:45] <cliebow> right
[10:46] <cliebow> dies in smbpassword.py
[10:47] <cliebow> smbpassword.py raise exception..no suitable des implementation found
[10:47] <moquist> it's failing to import pydes
[10:48] <cliebow> and i need to...uhhh
[10:48] <moquist> I would install that package and see how it goes.
[10:49] <cliebow> it is nor  an imprerativeYou Da MAN
[10:49] <cliebow> You Da Man
[10:49] <cliebow> 1nterested how it compares to ldapbrowser282b2
[10:50] <cliebow> which i rEALLLY lIKE
[10:58] <moquist> ogra's reason for choosing edsadmin is its UI simplicity.
[11:06] <cliebow> moquist:It is very straightforward isnt it..
[11:07] <moquist> I'm looking at adding automatic home directory creation/manipulation.
[11:07] <moquist> I'm considering it part of my sysadmin job, and fitting the time in there. :)
[11:13] <cliebow> moquist: i did homedirs from my bash script..
[11:14] <cliebow> cause they are sperated out like my ou
[11:14] <cliebow> al 2010 users have homedir in /home/2010
[11:22] <moquist> cliebow: right. But if edsadmin is going to be the GUI user admin tool in feisty, we probably want the state of the Home Directory setting in the GUI to reflect reality. At the very least, adding a user in the GUI should create the user's default home directory.
[11:43] <cbx33> Hey all
[11:45] <Burgwork> moquist: automatic homedir needs to consider pammkhomedir and sabayon
[11:45] <cbx33> is this for an AD domain?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> what does bash use for package in script? $package?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> like if i wanted to throw apt-cache search $package | less ina  script
[11:47] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: you can define it to be whatever you want
[11:47] <gnomefreak> so ther eis no set var for it?
[11:48] <LaserJock> no
[11:48] <LaserJock> there isn't a set var for most things
[11:48] <gnomefreak> thats not good :(
[11:49] <gnomefreak> i was gonna try them as alias' than combine them in a script but without one defined by default alias isnt gonne go
[11:55] <cliebow> moquist: ok i see where you are going
[11:57] <cbx33> last time I tried auto home dir it didn't work
[11:58] <cbx33> at least not with the entire homedir being on a windows server
[11:58] <cbx33> not sure what you guys are trying to do
[12:11] <moquist> Burgwork: yes; thx for the reminders
[12:12] <moquist> maybe a good pammkhomedir setup would be preferable, anyway.
[12:12] <Burgwork> given sbalneav has been hacking mkhomdir to cleanup as well, yes


[02:36] <Nephelauxetic> Does anyone here know how to setup Ubuntu 7.04 as an LDAP client?
[02:37] <lionel> Nephelauxetic: you have a doc on help.ubuntu.com/community
[02:37] <lionel> let me find the precise URL
[02:38] <lionel> Nephelauxetic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication
[02:38] <lionel> if you have any question, just ask :)
[02:38] <lionel> but that's a good base
[02:39] <Nephelauxetic> this I all had
[02:40] <Nephelauxetic> and chown to a LDAP user worked
[02:40] <Nephelauxetic> I was also able to log in
[02:40] <Nephelauxetic> but I always had to type twice the password of local users
[02:40] <lionel> Oh...
[02:40] <lionel> do you have the use_first_pass parameter in PAM ?
[02:41] <Nephelauxetic> hmmm
[02:41] <Nephelauxetic> nope...
[02:42] <Nephelauxetic> I'll go through this tutorial again
[02:42] <Nephelauxetic> but can you tell me how I get automount working?
[02:42] <Nephelauxetic> actually this was the worse problem
[02:43] <lionel> Nephelauxetic: did you look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutofsLDAP
[02:43] <lionel> I wrote it one year ago :)
[02:44] <Nephelauxetic> Yes I did indeed
[02:44] <Nephelauxetic> the problem is
[02:45] <Nephelauxetic> that the server is a Solaris one which somehow uses auto_master instead of auto.master
[02:45] <Nephelauxetic> And that I have no clue of all this ...
[02:47] <lionel> Nephelauxetic: not sure to understand you well. You can put whatever you want on the LDAP server? So you can follow the doc no? If it does not work on Solaris, it's a Solaris question, and that's not the best place for help:)
[02:48] <Nephelauxetic> No the problem is that I can't put things on the LDAP server
[02:48] <Nephelauxetic> I'd like to use the information which is already there
[02:49] <lionel> oh, the same information that is used for automount on Solaris?
[02:50] <Nephelauxetic> that's the puzzling thing... the solaris clients are using some automountInformation ... but Ubuntu does somehow not understand that
[02:52] <lionel> Nephelauxetic: could you paste somewhere (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org for example) what your automountInformation contains?
[02:53] <Nephelauxetic> sure give me a second
[02:56] <Nephelauxetic> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25533/
[03:01] <Nephelauxetic> I think I know understand how it works...
[03:02] <Nephelauxetic> it actually should not matter whether I use auto.master or auto_master etc. as long as it is consistent in the LDAP DB?
[03:02] <Nephelauxetic> It all depends on whether the Ubuntu client does the query via the object type or the ou
[03:14] <KennyTheGeek> Hmm... i got a problem here... my situation: i got 2 routers in my house, both filled with devices in thier internal switches. one of them is owned by our isp, and is locked in a setting that blocks most traffic. i want to make my server replace that router, and take the role as dhcp and dns server.
[03:14] <KennyTheGeek> the server is running ubuntu desktop feisty fawn... i was too lazy to download Ubuntu Server
[03:15] <shawarma> KennyTheGeek: Desktop and Server are actually essentially the same thing.
[03:15] <shawarma> KennyTheGeek: The difference is the selection of packages that are installed by default.
[03:15] <KennyTheGeek> okay... never tried the server one, thought that there was more of a difference that the missing gui
[03:15] <shawarma> KennyTheGeek: (and the selection of packages that we put on the cd)
[03:15] <KennyTheGeek> okay then
[03:15] <shawarma> KennyTheGeek: So in this case, it doesn't matter at all that you're running the desktop version.
[03:15] <KennyTheGeek> k then
[03:16] <KennyTheGeek> but when i installed the dhcp server, and followed the guide on ubuntuguide.com, it failed to start (right now it got its ip from the stupid router)
[03:17] <KennyTheGeek> it just says * Starting dchp server [FAIL]
[03:18] <shawarma> Oh, you did that already?
[03:18] <KennyTheGeek> eyah
[03:18] <KennyTheGeek> *yeah
[03:18] <shawarma> Put you dhcpd.conf on pastebin then.
[03:18] <KennyTheGeek> pastebin gives errors aswell :S
[03:18] <shawarma> Use another. :)
[03:18] <KennyTheGeek> Query failure: Can't open file: 'recent.MYI'. (errno: 145)
[03:18] <KennyTheGeek> lock tables recent write
[03:18] <shawarma> http://rafb.net/paste/
[03:18] <KennyTheGeek> that was the one i was about to use :P
[03:18] <shawarma> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[03:19] <KennyTheGeek> http://rafb.net/p/Yy3TYH35.html
[03:19] <shawarma> looks sane.
[03:19] <shawarma> Is there a /etc/defaults/dhcpd ?
[03:19] <KennyTheGeek> i would rather use the ip <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> as netmask
[03:20] <KennyTheGeek> yeah
[03:20] <shawarma> Show me.
[03:20] <KennyTheGeek> moment
[03:20] <KennyTheGeek> http://rafb.net/p/e4VydN78.html
[03:21] <shawarma> You have two NIC's in it?
[03:22] <KennyTheGeek> no
[03:22] <KennyTheGeek> only eth0
[03:22] <shawarma> which is connected to... what?
[03:22] <KennyTheGeek> i got other NIC's laying around, but is that neccesary?
[03:23] <KennyTheGeek> eth0 is connected to port 1 on the stupid router. the stupid router is connected to the ADSL modem, the better router is connected to the stupid router
[03:23] <KennyTheGeek> hmm...
[03:23] <shawarma> If you want your machine to act like a router, it sort of needs two interfaces. "sort of" because it's doable without, but it's a hassle.
[03:24] <KennyTheGeek> okay... so i should add another, and add it to interfaces in default/dchp3-server?
[03:24] <KennyTheGeek> then eth0 => adsl, eth1 => switch?
[03:25] <KennyTheGeek> but eth0 => switch => adsl & wireless router & devices is still possible? cause im kinda out of cables :P
[03:26] <KennyTheGeek> is your "project" gonna take more that a week/month (you prolly don't know, but it's worth a try to ask :P ) cause i'll possible just wait for that to get done then :P
[03:26] <citybird> hi, anyone here know how to get vmware server to connect to a remote host running under ubuntu?
[03:27] <KennyTheGeek> to load the vmware image, or to what?
[03:33] <mralphabet> KennyTheGeek: the recommended solution is to use two ethernet card
[03:33] <mralphabet> s
[03:34] <mralphabet> using a single card *CAN* work, but as shawarma said, it is a pain in the ass
[03:34] <mralphabet> so dig up another ethernet card / cable and do it the right way
[03:34] <KennyTheGeek> yeah, i could guess that, but then i need to find long enough cables >_>
[03:34] <mralphabet> KennyTheGeek: move the server
[03:35] <citybird> vmware server console keeps giving me bad username password when i try to connect to a remote host. I checked on the remote host and it is listening on port 902 for any vmware connections.
[03:35] <KennyTheGeek> that standing on the floor, as close to the router as possible, and the router is hanging in a wire, so they can't get closer
[03:35] <mralphabet> citybird: what user are you trying to use?
[03:36] <citybird> a user on the remote machine.
[03:36] <mralphabet> citybird: root?
[03:36] <citybird> mralphabet: should i try to give root a password? it is still without one.
[03:36] <mralphabet> citybird: some other user?
[03:36] <citybird> mralphabet: right. it's not the root user but another.
[03:37] <mralphabet> citybird: I am going to bet that the user doesn't have permissions
[03:37] <mralphabet> KennyTheGeek: sounds like you need a better managed wire closet ;)
[03:38] <citybird> mralphabet: how do i add another qualified user? under /etc/inet.conf it says "902 stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/vmware-authd vmware-authd"
[03:38] <KennyTheGeek> you don't know how much crap/treasures we got in hour basement, so it's hard to handle wires, and make room for anything down there >_>
[03:38] <citybird> mralphabet: it's the only user on the remote host. how do i give him permissions?
[03:39] <KennyTheGeek> citybird: you use root? i beleive that isn't a very good security practise..
[03:39] <mralphabet> KennyTheGeek: no, he's *not* using root
[03:40] <citybird> KennyTheGeek: no.
[03:40] <KennyTheGeek> how can it then be the only user? >_>
[03:40] <KennyTheGeek> root is a user too
[03:41] <citybird> KennyTheGeek: ok stop with the symantecs. the only user on the box with a password is the one that i am trying to connect with.
[03:41] <KennyTheGeek> ok...
[03:42] <citybird> i think i have to add my username to a list somewhere but i dont know where.
[03:43] <mralphabet> citybird: you may need to add the user to the root group
[03:43] <citybird> mralphabet: checking
[03:44] <mralphabet> IE edit /etc/passwd and put them in group 0
[03:44] <mralphabet> it is not something I have done before
[03:45] <citybird> hey
[03:45] <citybird> mralphabet: hey. if i change the group that is allowed would that work too?
[03:48] <mralphabet> citybird: possibly
[03:49] <citybird> ok, under ubuntu there is a group in the /etc/group file called adm  if I change the line un /etc/inet.conf from root to adm what would i have to restart to get those permissions to update.
[03:51] <mralphabet> citybird: you are at the limits of my experience, you may have more luck getting answers about vmware in #vmware
[03:51] <citybird> argh, no i just looked at the syntax of the /etc/inetd.conf file. the root there is a username not a group name.
[03:54] <citybird> ok where exactly? root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[03:57] <citybird> mralphabet: or would that file be /etc/group
[03:59] <mralphabet> in /etc/group I believe you can do root:x:0:someuser
[04:01] <citybird> did that. trying to log in now.
[04:05] <citybird> mralphabet: still not working. im gona restart the host and hope the settings took
[04:18] <citybir1> found the problem. it's a bug
[04:22] <mralphabet> bug with vmware?


[22:34] <mahnaz> hi
[22:35] <mahnaz> I nees some info about file server and file system functionality in
[22:35] <mahnaz> a ubuntu based cloud
[22:35] <mahnaz> can any one help me with this?
[22:53] <kim0> mahnaz: try asking :)
[22:55] <mahnaz> kim() : tthanks for answering
[22:55] <mahnaz> did you read my question?
[22:55] <flaccid> mahnaz: the answer is yes
[22:56] <mahnaz> so lucky I am:)
[22:56] <kim0> lol
[22:56] <flaccid> i guess so
[22:57] <mahnaz> I want to know
[22:57] <mahnaz> what file systems  are
[22:57] <mahnaz> used in cloud?
[22:57] <kim0> same filesystems that are used on earth
[22:57] <mahnaz> :D
[22:57] <mahnaz> lol
[22:58]  * kim0 needs to reboot
[22:58] <flaccid> yes
[22:58] <mahnaz> for example?
[22:58] <flaccid> fat16
[22:58] <mahnaz> which are best for a ubuntu cloud
[22:58] <flaccid> any that ubuntu supports
[22:59] <mahnaz> aha
[22:59] <mahnaz> :)
[22:59] <mahnaz> and what about
[22:59] <mahnaz> file server? do we have a file server
[22:59] <mahnaz> in a cloud?
[22:59] <mahnaz> ( I am buliding a cloud using eucalyptus)
[23:00] <flaccid> cloud or not cloud, its still ubuntu so you can do the same thing you would on any ubuntu box
[23:01] <mahnaz> to be honset
[23:01] <mahnaz> for my final project
[23:01] <mahnaz> I am working on
[23:01] <mahnaz> file server and file system in clouds
[23:01] <mahnaz> but till now
[23:02] <mahnaz> I have no idea
[23:02] <flaccid> i can see that :)
[23:02] <mahnaz> what is fiffrerent between
[23:02] <mahnaz> a cloud uesd file system
[23:02] <mahnaz> and non cloud
[23:02] <flaccid> i've never heard of a 'cloud uesd file system'
[23:02] <mahnaz> flaccid, : how?:D
[23:03] <flaccid> you aint making sense dude
[23:03] <flaccid> a filesystem has no idea if its in the cloud or not.
[23:03] <mahnaz> :)
[23:04] <mahnaz> and what about file serevr?
[23:05] <mahnaz> flaccid, : sory if I am asking so question
[23:05] <flaccid> what about it
[23:05] <mahnaz> but it is subjet my
[23:05] <flaccid> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[23:06] <mahnaz> master
[23:06] <mahnaz> gave it to me!!
[23:06] <mahnaz> do we have a file serevr in a cloud?
[23:06] <flaccid> we?
[23:07] <kim0> earth
[23:07] <flaccid> file servers also have no idea if they are in the cloud or not
[23:07] <mahnaz> my bad :(
[23:07] <kim0> maybe you mean, CDNs, or S3 like object stores ?
[23:08] <flaccid> could be anything when you are vague
[23:08] <kim0> read up some more on wikipedia, you'll have a better understanding of the basics
[23:09] <mahnaz> kim : yes , and I am gonig to use
[23:09] <mahnaz> s3fs
[23:09] <mahnaz>  for working with sc
[23:10] <kim0> cool, so your teacher probably means S3 indeed
[23:10] <kim0> wikipedia it
[23:10] <kim0> and it's not a filesystem btw .. it's called an object store
[23:10] <flaccid> maybe confirm exactly wha tyou should be researching first heh
[23:11] <mahnaz> Kim: but the subject is " file server and file systems in cloud "
[23:11] <mahnaz> I think he him self does not konw
[23:11] <kim0> maybe the teacher has no idea too :) go talk to him
[23:12] <flaccid> mahnaz: then you can answer that with one line, "its the same"
[23:12] <mahnaz> what shoul  I do :(
[23:12] <kim0> haha :)
[23:12] <flaccid> teachers are commonly uneducated
[23:13] <mahnaz> but it is my misadventure
[23:13] <mahnaz> :(
[23:13] <flaccid> just tell your teacher its the same and that he should learn cloud computing before trying to teach it
[23:14] <mahnaz> uhum
[23:15] <mahnaz> I think I should do same:D
[23:15] <mahnaz> any way thanks alot for your help
[23:15] <flaccid> cloud is the most abused buzz word. people who don't know what it is always misuse the term
[23:15] <flaccid> np
[23:16] <mahnaz> and sory for my simmlpe question
[23:16] <mahnaz> s
[23:16] <mahnaz> :(


[15:03] <crazy_v_k> I've recently installed Ubuntu Gnome and I can't make shortcuts to desktop, is there an easy way to do it? (or via addon)
[15:06] <crazy_v_k> seems like there's no easy way to do it
[15:13] <muelli> crazy_v_k: do you mean to "leave things on the Desktop"?  There is a Tweak Tool setting IIRC.
[15:13] <muelli> have you run GNOME Tweak Tool?
[15:39] <crazy_v_k> yes i tried the gnome tweak
[15:39] <crazy_v_k> but no option there for a simple drag & drop to desktop (shortcut)
[15:41] <muelli> I'm still not clear on what you want to achieve so I can't help.
[15:44] <crazy_v_k> I mean like in Windows when you can drag your application (shortcut) to desktop
[15:45] <crazy_v_k> for easier access, instead of clicking the application menu and looking for your application
[15:46] <crazy_v_k> just double click it on desktop
[15:49] <crazy_v_k> nevermind thanks anyway, gotta go
[20:55] <tony1> craysiii: you could use nautilus scripts. gnome-desktop-item-edit --create-new ~/Desktop something like that
[21:02] <tony1> oops


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[03:36] <sdhasu> Hierarchical File System
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[20:36] <royalclass> why can't i join the ##java channel o.O