[00:21] <reaper4334> does anyone know any good guides for making decent Conky configurations?
[00:22] <reaper4334> all the ones I find seem to be guides to getting it running, but not for configuring it
[00:23]  * popey points reaper4334 at Azelphur
[00:23] <Azelphur> haha
[00:23] <Azelphur> reaper4334: what you after?
[00:23] <Azelphur> reaper4334: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/Janurary%202011/2011-01-13-041505_3840x1200_scrot.png my conky config :P
[00:24] <reaper4334> wow!
[00:24] <popey> Azelphur: got a copy of that somewhere?
[00:24] <reaper4334> just looking for a way to get a decent setup, like multiple conky windows and showing images and such
[00:24] <Azelphur> popey: I can upload it, sure
[00:24] <popey> please
[00:24] <Azelphur> reaper4334: multiple conky windows you just run conky twice with different config files
[00:25] <reaper4334> ah I see, so I can just set up a bash script to run it for each config?
[00:26] <Azelphur> reaper4334: yea
[00:27] <reaper4334> well that's one down :D
[00:27] <Azelphur> popey: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/May%202011/conky.zip
[00:28] <Azelphur> popey: all the resource files and scripts are in there
[00:28] <reaper4334> how long did it take you to set that up?
[00:28] <popey> nice one
[00:28] <Azelphur> couple days
[00:28] <reaper4334> it's pretty awesome
[00:28] <Azelphur> ty :D
[00:28] <Azelphur> I actually started with the one that ships with the overglossed theme
[00:29] <Azelphur> and just kinda kept adding to it
[00:29] <Azelphur> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Conky+%5BTheRob%5D?content=74972
[00:30] <reaper4334> nice one, I managed to get it to run with some of my little scripts, but can't figure out how to display images
[00:30]  * popey edits the script to replace Azelphur's home directory references...
[00:30] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:31] <Azelphur> reaper4334: look at http://conky.sourceforge.net/variables.html
[00:31] <Azelphur> the image variable does that
[00:32] <exobuzz> xbmc4xbox made it to the slashdot homepage. heh. just wait for the community site to go offline now :)
[00:39] <reaper4334> Azelphur: Solved it, thanks a lot :D
[00:42] <reaper4334> well, bedtime for me. Thanks again guys :D. Night
[01:23] <hamitron> omg
[01:23] <hamitron> had a website loaded in my browser for days, and it had a window embedded that kept playing different video
[01:24] <hamitron> used about 10Gb of my download limit
[01:24] <hamitron> :/
[01:31] <shauno> I knew there was a reason this addiction to having 50 tabs open was unhealthy.  you found it!  :)
[03:33]  * ball gives up and goes to bed.
[06:13] <MartijnVdS> Morning everyone
[08:07] <diplo> Morning all
[08:15] <DJones> Good morning, happy Friday
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> Good Friday to you too :)
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: You'll love this (being a train person): http://kubus.mailspool.nl/spoorkaart/
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: Live Dutch train positions :)
[08:34] <PalaPad> Morning
[08:35] <PalaPad> MartijnVdS: Am currently on a train :p
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> PalaPad: Trains are cool :)
[08:35] <PalaPad> This one is a tad busy commuter train to London
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> Take turns breathing"
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> -busy?
[08:36] <PalaPad> But I will give credit to virgin for their cell boosters, just did a live BBC radio interview without cutting out lol
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> PalaPad: Is cell coverage really that bad on that side of the water? :)
[08:37] <PalaPad> Busy yeah, glad I pre booked or I might have been standing in aisle for 2.5 hour journey
[08:37] <PalaPad> In some places yeah
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> We get 2 good ones (KPN, Vodafone) and 1 really bad one (T-Mobile) here in .nl
[08:38] <PalaPad> Specially on a fast train hoping cell tower frequently
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> guess which one is used by the in-train wifi APs
[08:47] <PalaPad> Back, sorry lost signal
[08:47] <PalaPad> I use 3G on train cos the wifi is very slow and very expensive
[08:48] <awilkins> .. and basically just a 3G hotspot anyway
[08:49] <PalaPad> I use bouncer for irc otherwise I would be spamming channel with disconnects lol
[08:49] <PalaPad> And yes awilkins
[08:49] <PalaPad> But with all of first class getting free wifi it gets very slow once they all connect to the AP
[08:50] <PalaPad> So I get much better results using cell instead of wifi
[08:51] <awilkins> Well, first class are getting very very expensive wifi, tea, biscuits, and comfy chairs
[08:51] <PalaPad> Actually it is pretty cheap if booked a month in advance
[08:52] <awilkins> Is this on a UK rail network????
[08:52] <PalaPad> I can to London from the north of England for 30 quid 1st class with advance booking 4-6 weeks
[08:52] <awilkins> I looked at 1st class season tickets, they were double the cost
[08:52] <awilkins> Is that an off-peak fare?
[08:52] <PalaPad> I booked this journey last night standard class and it was more than that
[08:52] <PalaPad> Yes
[08:52] <awilkins> Aha
[08:52] <awilkins> Peak fares are rather more
[08:53] <awilkins> Peak return from Manchester - London is about £180 in cattle class
[08:53] <PalaPad> 120 from Lancaster where I am
[08:53] <awilkins> It's just a joke though, isn't it
[08:53] <awilkins> You could hire a care and drive it for less than that
[08:53] <awilkins> Including fuel
[08:54] <awilkins> I used to drive down, park in the suburban edges of the tube network, and tube the rest of the way in
[08:54] <awilkins> The Northholt Swimerama used to have an excellent free car park open until 1900 - park there, 2 minute walk to tube, bob is your uncle.
[08:55] <PalaPad> Back got disconnected again sorry
[08:56] <PalaPad> Yes it is incredibly expensive
[08:56] <PalaPad> Which is why I can't accept a full time role in London because the cost of travel would be so high
[08:57] <PalaPad> I was gonna apply for a research director post at Big Brother Watch but they want someone office based in London full time, so I can't do it
[08:58] <awilkins> I wouldn't mind living in a city again, I suppose, but London is a bit expensive
[08:58] <awilkins> I quite liked being a student in Manchester
[08:58] <PalaPad> I don't traveling down once a week and staying a couple of days with a friend, but am not commuting every day
[08:58] <awilkins> Walked everywhere (I'd probably get a bike, these days, less time to waste)
[08:58] <PalaPad> This is my second trip to London this week
[08:59] <PalaPad> 11 hour day for a 2 hour meeting :/
[08:59] <awilkins> Heh, been there
[09:00] <awilkins> I just wish online meeting tools were better
[09:00] <PalaPad> Tuesday was a 10 hour day for a 10 minute tv interview which was worse
[09:00] <PalaPad> At least I actually have 2 hours work on this trip
[09:01] <PalaPad> Plus it will be an interesting meeting
[09:01] <PalaPad> Nominet issue group on domain name suspensions
[09:08] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:08] <PalaPad> Hey
[09:16] <gord> last night my laptop was tracked in "castle donnington, UK" now its in china. what kind of witchcraft is this....
[09:19] <dwatkins> ooh, autossh works really nicely when I resume my laptop
[09:19] <dwatkins> GNU screen for the win etc.
[09:22] <gord> oh geez, there are 379 untriaged unity bugs
[09:22] <gord> i wanted to code this morning :(
[09:26] <wintellect> Mornin
[09:30] <hoover> mornin
[09:31] <MooDoo> morning
[09:32] <PalaPad> Dwatkins, yeah I use screen too but the ssh client on my iPad doesn't play nice when I lose cell signal
[09:33] <danfish> ahoy hoy saveloys! Only 8 hours of this working week left :)
[09:34] <MooDoo> danfish: awesome :D
[09:34] <bigcalm> 6.30pm finish?
[09:34] <PalaPad> Your working week finishes?
[09:34] <bigcalm> I've secured a 30min early sneak out time of 5.30pm so I can go for a meal
[09:34] <PalaPad> I need a job like that lol
[09:35]  * PalaPad works 24/7/365
[09:35]  * bigcalm doubts that
[09:35] <PalaPad> Can't remember last time I had a day off, was at least 4 years ago
[09:35] <PalaPad> I am serious lol
[09:35] <bigcalm> You don't work in your sleep
[09:36] <PalaPad> If I get a call when I am asleep I wake up and answer it
[09:36] <PalaPad> And if it requires further action I get up and deal with it
[09:36] <PalaPad> And I only sleep an average of 4 hours a day
[09:36] <bigcalm> You need a new job :P
[09:37] <PalaPad> Problem is if I get a new job, there is no-one else doing my work in the UK to fill the void
[09:40] <BigRedS> that's your employers problem, though...
[09:40] <BigRedS> any sane company would have at least two people doing your job
[09:40] <dwatkins> PalaPad: hmmm, I have an iPhone and it seems ok, although I don't think there's an autossh on it
[09:41] <PalaPad> BigRedS I don't get paid, show me someone who is willing to work in law for free and I will gladly job share with them
[09:42] <PalaPad> Dwatkins, I use iSSH and it doesn't recognise when you lose cell coverage so have to manually restart it
[09:42] <danfish> bigcalm: yup - working day is 0730 - 1830
[09:42] <PalaPad> Very annoying
[09:42] <bigcalm> danfish: ug, poor lad
[09:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:43] <PalaPad> Morning brobostigon ltnt :)
[09:44] <brobostigon> morning PalaPad :)
[09:55] <danfish> bigcalm: I do only work 4 days a week, so it's not that bad
[09:55] <danfish> gives me a day of tinkering and giving myself soldering iron burns :)
[09:56] <dwatkins> PalaPad: hmmm, that must be annoying
[09:57] <gord> i miss soldering stuff. maybe i'll go break some wires by "accident"
[09:58] <brobostigon> :)
[10:02] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :D
[10:03] <BigRedS> q!
[10:03] <BigRedS> gah!
[10:03] <BigRedS> but happy friday!
[10:05] <popey> Morning all!
[10:07] <gord> happy 10:07!
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> 11:07*
[10:07] <bigcalm> Morning
[10:14] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:21] <oimon> was locked out of my office today :( lock was broken
[10:22] <oimon> fortunately my resourceful staff came to the rescue when i discovered the locksmith wouldn't arrive until the afternoon
[10:22] <kazade> oimon, why a sad face? Surely being unable to do work on a Friday is a good thing? :)
[10:22] <oimon> my office is my happy place :)
[10:22] <oimon> it has my crisps and chocolate and stuff
[10:22] <kazade> I see :)
[10:22] <oimon> unable to do work while at work is frustrating
[10:23] <kazade> mmm, crisps..
[10:23]  * kazade heads to the vending machine
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> hmm crêpes
[10:23] <oimon> managed to brute force the door
[10:23] <oimon> however, that's not why i'm here....i logged in via another machine and now i've lost my firefox addons ...how do i know which addons i previously used?
[10:27] <oimon> oh cool, i found a sqlite manager addon that lets me view my adds.sqlite ..problem sorted :)
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> Can't sqlite3 can do that? from the command line?
[10:28] <oimon> perhaps
[10:30] <bigcalm> To all of the non-belivers, I now have 2 external usb harddrives hooked up to the revo without extra PSUs :)
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: To see how long it takes before it explodes?
[10:31] <danfish> non-beliver? Is that someone who doesn't eat bee livers ;)
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> danfish: very specific form of vegetarianism, that.
[10:32] <awilkins> They require vitamin A supplements periodically.
[10:32]  * bigcalm ignores you lot and makes a cuppa tea :P
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Ah, converted the PSU to a kettle, have you?
[10:33] <danfish> MartijnVdS: nah - he's just harnessing the excess heat the revo is now generating
[10:36] <bigcalm> It is a little warmer
[10:38] <diplo> I use 2 x usb drives on my revo all the time
[10:38] <diplo> never had an issue
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> danfish: hmm heatpipes :)
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> Anyone running oneiric yet? Alpha 1 is in 2 weeks... :)
[10:45] <brobostigon> nope, not yet.
[10:46] <oimon> i've decided not to upgrade anything until they fix the power problems since 2.6.38
[10:46] <bigcalm> sudo mv -v /media/exdrive1/Music/* /media/exdrive3/music/
[10:47] <bigcalm> Humm, wrong keyboard and wrong computer
[10:47] <daubers> oimon: You may have a while to wait as it's a generic kernel issue :)
[10:47] <danfish> you are not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported
[10:47] <oimon> daubers: OTOH it may get fixed quicker as it's a generic kernel issue
[10:48] <oimon> i told my boss to sudo make me a sandwich and he told me the inicident would be reported
[10:48] <DJones> oimon: Insufficient admin rights?
[10:49] <oimon> there was a xkcd once about who get's those sudo emails...
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> root does.
[10:49] <oimon> it's me. and then i forward them to God and Santa
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> http://xkcd.com/838/
[10:55] <BigRedS> I want an "I'm a grown up" option in Firefox for less in-the-way SSL warnings...
[10:58] <oimon> hmm.. something like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mitm-me/ ?
[10:58] <BigRedS> iceflatline: yes!
[10:58] <BigRedS> er
[10:59] <BigRedS> oimon: yes!
[10:59] <BigRedS> cheers!
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: that's quite a typo o -> i
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: ^
[10:59] <BigRedS> One day I'll get the hang of checking for an add on before complaining
[10:59]  * bigcalm tuts
[10:59] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: haha! :)
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Unless you pronounce it "oiceflatline" :)
[10:59] <oimon> and thats why firefox will awlays rule
[10:59] <oimon> and pidgin > empathy for same reason
[10:59] <BigRedS> I just didn't hit the o; i<tab>
[11:00] <turkldx> is there an irc channel for ubuntu help?
[11:00] <oimon> i heard that empathy doesn't even have plugins
[11:00] <BigRedS> nah
[11:00] <BigRedS> empathy reminds me a lot of old gnome
[11:00] <bigcalm> turkldx: here is as good as any :)
[11:00] <turkldx> thank you :D
[11:00] <BigRedS> "I work this way, this is the way I will work"
[11:00] <bigcalm> Aparently we're one of the more friendly places
[11:00] <oimon> +1
[11:00] <turkldx> quick question then...
[11:01] <oimon> drum roll....
[11:01] <bigcalm> !ask
[11:01] <turkldx> is is possible to save the desktop config, I.e  open apps so it starts up wehn logging in
[11:01] <turkldx> ?
[11:01] <turkldx> :))
[11:02] <oimon> turkldx: which version of ubuntu are you running
[11:03] <oimon> in 10.10 and older, you can do system-preferences-startup applications-options-automatically remember running apps when logging out - tick box
[11:04] <turkldx> thats brill, thanks guys. i was trying to find the version but couldnt
[11:05] <davmor2> morning 80's fans......popey you know it's you too :D
[11:06] <bigcalm> turkldx: to find the version of ubuntu, open a terminal and enter: cat /etc/lsb-release
[11:06] <turkldx> V10.10 :))
[11:06] <turkldx> mavrick meerkat
[11:06] <turkldx> *e
[11:07] <brobostigon> lsb-release -a     .also works.
[11:07] <oimon> cat /etc/issue    also
[11:07] <brobostigon> lsb_release -a     .also works.
[11:08] <bigcalm> popey: had many 11.10 name pronunciation communications yet?
[11:08] <brobostigon> _ instedof -
[11:11] <popey> not enough real ones, no
[11:11] <awilkins> What was it again, Onanic Ocelot?   ;-)
[11:11] <popey> !ocelot
[11:17] <TheAshMan> how do i make a directories children group writeable by default?
[11:18] <oimon> TheAshMan: for all subdirectories ?
[11:29] <oimon> for per-directory umask settings you need to use ACLs
[11:31] <TheAshMan> oimon: Yes for all sub-directories and files
[11:34] <daubers> ooooooooh new office chairs
[11:37]  * DJones wonders whether it would be cruel to hide his wifes travel sickness pills before she sets out on a 2 hour car ride over the cat & fiddle into derbyshire
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> TheAshMan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions#ACLs
[11:38] <TheAshMan> ta :)
[11:44] <dogmatic69> does anyone know how many different strings can be created with binary that is 20 chars long?
[11:46] <oimon> depends how many characters you are choosing from? A-Z,a-Z? or alhpanumeric?
[11:46] <dogmatic69> binary being the sha1() of php, 'raw bytes'
[11:46] <dogmatic69> is it the same as a normal SHA1
[11:47] <dogmatic69> looks like this... 9i’¡@ç	à‹ÁÀéàö`¶
[11:47] <gord> you can't create with a SHA-1 - it doesn't work that way, SHA-1 is created from something else of arbitrary length
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> gord: sure, but whatever you put in, the sha1 is always the same length
[11:47] <dogmatic69> what?
[11:48] <dogmatic69> ok, ive figured it out.. sha1 is 160 bits, which is 20 bytes
[11:48] <dogmatic69> 20 + 8 bits = 160 so there is the same number of options as a normal 'text' sha1
[11:49] <gord> oh you wondered if there was a difference?
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: text sha1 is just the hex representation of those bytes
[11:49] <dogmatic69> ye
[11:49] <dogmatic69> thanks
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> Easier to work with -- weird bytes don't copy/paste nicely
[11:49] <oimon> that wasn't your original question btw...which was about permutation theory
[11:49] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: need it for mcrypt
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> !xy
[11:50] <oimon> exactamondo
[11:50] <oimon> i can answer Y
[11:50] <oimon> :)
[11:50] <dogmatic69> oimon: i guess the question was is the binary version rate of collisions the same as the hex
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: yes, because they are the same thing, just written differently
[11:51] <dogmatic69> :)
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: ("2F" for "/", for example: 2 hex digits to represent 1 byte (because 4 hex digit = 4 bits))
[11:52] <dogmatic69> thanks
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: hexadecimal, you should learn it :)
[11:52] <dogmatic69> hehe
[11:53] <dogmatic69> so much learning
[11:53] <oimon> having an acorn electron forced me to count in hex
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> I fully intend to never stop learning :)
[11:53] <dogmatic69> same
[11:53] <oimon> i wonder if the brain has a save state when you die.
[11:53] <dogmatic69> gone from windows -> deploying clusters in a year :D
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Unlikely.
[11:54] <oimon> if we assume there's an afterlife, we must take memories with us, surely
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Sure, but are we assuming that?
[11:55] <oimon> let's say yes we assume this is the case
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> (I'd settle for a "High Score - Enter your name" style ending screen ;))
[11:56] <oimon> MartijnVdS: but who would see it?
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> I woudl
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> but I'm too atheist for it :)
[11:57] <oimon> christianity doesn't say too much about afterlife, but implies that memories are carried forward somehow
[12:04] <oimon> how can i find out the full list of command lubotu3 understands?
[12:05] <awilkins> !help  ?
[12:05] <awilkins> !help
[12:05] <awilkins> !commands
[12:05] <awilkins> !stupid bot
[12:05] <oimon> !bot
[12:07] <DJones> oimon: I don't think there is a complete list, the best bet is probably teh web interface and just search through them
[12:20] <BigRedS> Temporary drives, should they be mounted at /mnt/<descriptive dir name> or just /mnt ?
[12:24] <oimon> "Although the use of subdirectories in /mnt as a mount point has recently been common, it conflicts with a much older tradition of using /mnt directly as a temporary mount point." http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#MEDIAMOUNTPOINT
[12:24] <oimon> i think the answer is, "up to you"
[12:24] <awilkins> ^^ what he said. I tend to use /mnt for that reason
[12:24] <oimon> i use /mnt/disk1
[12:25] <BigRedS> Hmm
[12:25] <awilkins> Usually I let Ubuntu just mount actual disks in /media
[12:25] <BigRedS> So for once in an argument at work I'm *not* the luddite
[12:25] <oimon> because i may require to mount .iso files and loop devices
[12:25]  * BigRedS dances with joy
[12:25] <awilkins> I only mount things like loop images in /,nt
[12:26]  * kirrus has been arguing with BigRedS about this for the past 10 minutes
[12:26] <oimon> redhat seems to use /mnt/devname
[12:26] <awilkins> And I develop urges to stab people who permanently mount things in /mnt . And stab them even harder when they mount things directly in /
[12:27] <awilkins>  /backup    (DIEEEE!)
[12:27] <BigRedS> oh, we have /backup on all our machines :)
[12:27] <kirrus> It's not permanently mounted, only when we're copying stuff to or from it though
[12:28]  * awilkins sends PCKT_STAB to BigRedS and kirrus
[12:30] <BigRedS> hey, I don't make the rules!
[12:30]  * kirrus passes PCKT_STAB to writer of rsync-backup
[12:31] <oimon> solaris used to setup stuff in /export/home
[12:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[12:33] <oimon> /export/home was the physiscal home, and /home was the automount point
[12:34] <czajkowski> davmor2: bleugh
[12:35] <oimon> someone has a hangover?
[12:39] <czajkowski> ~/c
[12:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're still drunk aren't you?
[12:40] <czajkowski> davmor2: not drinking smartie pants
[12:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: oh that's what the problem is then, too much blood in you alcohol stream ;)
[12:42] <oimon> hihihih http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-05-18/
[12:50] <gord> i missed all the great UDS talks this time :( http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/5651069099/cleaning-up-after-ourselves - everyone should watch
[12:56] <davmor2> gord: so did I
[12:56] <davmor2> and I was there
[12:58] <gord> davmor2, did you see mpt's? that one was great and i missed that
[12:58] <davmor2> gord: I did see any after MS's monday morning
[12:59] <gord> davmor2, you fail at UDS :P
[12:59] <oimon> gord: i was looking at an outdated pages on the wiki for 7.10 today, thinking i'm sure this isn't stil the case?
[13:00] <davmor2> gord: we were sprinting :P
[13:00] <davmor2> gord: I liked the byobu talk by dustin
[13:01] <oimon> wrong data is often worse than no data
[13:01] <davmor2> gord: I learnt more about what was going on from videos, omgubuntu, planet ubuntu and chats at the party and around the table at breakfast and lunch :)
[13:05] <daubers> Is it just me, or does firefox not play nice with unity?
[13:05] <BigRedS> it plays reasonably nice IME
[13:06] <daubers> Hmmm... might be something weird I've done to the configs somewhere
[13:08] <BigRedS> I know there's focusing issues
[13:08] <BigRedS> I've not come across anything else
[13:08] <gord> daubers, works fine for me
[13:13] <oimon> Kenyon says. “We will pre-load well over 10 million PCs with Ubuntu this year and we are more than doubling users every year in India and China.”
[13:13] <daubers> gord: Must be some upgrade config then
[13:14] <DJones> I'm glad I'm not this person http://goo.gl/AZ301 Although something doesn't quite look right with the photo
[13:14] <daubers> DJones: ARGH!
[13:15] <DJones> daubers: I'm not bothered by heights, but .....
[13:16] <daubers> DJones: Heights don't bother me, it's the groudns that kill you
[13:16] <daubers> s/groudns/grounds
[13:16] <DJones> At least if you fell, you wouldn't complain about it again
[13:17] <daubers> urgh
[13:19] <DJones> I think the correct comment is "Ker-Thud"
[13:25] <daubers> Thuds not a bad game as things go
[13:26] <daubers> Bit short for my liking, but you cna't have everything :)
[13:29] <oimon> can I play music through a bluetooth enabled car stereo? i've only tried phone calls (which works)
[13:31] <daubers> oimon: Ido that through my parrot car kit :) Means I can have spotify in the car
[13:32] <oimon> daubers: i wonder if it's possible on all bluetooth stereos .
[13:32] <daubers> oimon: no idea :)
[13:32] <oimon> cars aren't my strong point :P
[14:01] <davmor2> Ah run-dmc and areosmith do walk this way
[14:05] <dogmatic69> davmor2: sounds tricky
[14:06] <davmor2> dogmatic69: it's tricky but now we talking double dutch with Malcolm McClaren
[14:07] <dogmatic69> :)
[14:07]  * DJones passes the dutchie on the left hand side
[14:24] <oimon> charity door-knockers just started shouting through the door and being aggressive at my wife for asking that they obey the polite request for no cold-callers on our door :(
[14:24] <MooDoo> oimon: tell them to b***ger off
[14:25] <oimon> MooDoo: i'm at work..after she closed the door they were shouting and generally being abusive
[14:25] <diplo> Chuck water out the window at them!!
[14:25] <oimon> i don't think that's a really helpful way to make an abusive jerk leave your property!
[14:25] <diplo> Ok, tar :)
[14:26] <dogmatic69> tell her to shout 'I'm calling ASBO'
[14:26] <oimon> people don't respect that we ask for no cold callers. what's worse is taht a knock at the door starts doggy barking, then the baby wakes up
[14:26] <diplo> I think I'm blacklisted with religious people now, not rude but just hate people knocking at my door for stuff like that
[14:26] <diplo> yeah used to be my issue oimon
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> oimon: boobytrap the front yard/door
[14:27] <oimon> if i have a notice, do they really think i will change my mind and say, oh yeah, i'll buy your $product
[14:27] <kazade> I always wonder, would cold callers get annoyed if I knocked on their door and started preaching something?
[14:27] <kazade> They probably all have "No cold caller" signs up :p
[14:27] <oimon> the JWs have got the message now after the dog "escaped" at them
[14:27] <davmor2> oimon: tell her to simply call the charity and tell them that their callers are being abusive and had she wanted to give she certainly doesn't want to now
[14:27] <oimon> davmor2: she has done the first biy
[14:28] <oimon> ironically they were caleld "make a child smile"
[14:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka
[14:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: alreet geezer
[14:28] <oimon> agh firefox profile has corrupted and wiped all my settings :(
[14:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: I reckon wim'll fit in down sowff if we keep practising you know
[14:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: aye lad, as long as the understan' terms like t'internet and middle oft road ;)
[14:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: hehe
[14:31] <MooDoo> thank goodness it's friday
[14:32] <oimon> yeah
[14:32] <oimon> it's needed
[14:32] <oimon> weeks seem so long since all those bank hols
[14:33] <gord> every time i try and launch the disk usage analyser i end up running byobu...
[14:37] <davmor2> gord: spell it right when you run it from the terminal and you'll get on better when you hit tab :P
[14:37] <gord> davmor2, i have completely forgotten what the actual program name is, i just type disk into unity
[14:38] <davmor2> gord: boabob or something like that isn't it
[14:38] <gord> something like that
[14:38] <gord> at least i'm not trying to run bonobo from the terminal anymore
[14:39] <davmor2> boabab infact
[14:42]  * awilkins keeps having to run palimpsest because Unity has no obvious way of mounting things that's in the gui
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: nautilus?
[14:44] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Doesn't seem to have the same "Removable drives" area that the Places menu has
[14:44] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, It's an SSD in an eSATA caddy, doesn't automount like USB flash
[14:45] <awilkins> Ah
[14:45] <awilkins> It's because I usually have "Tree" selected and not "places"
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> ah, don't use that ;)
[14:50] <oimon> top hits on my blog this week: disable global menu in unity
[14:51] <dogmatic69> oimon: whats your url?
[14:52] <dogmatic69> found
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> oimon: aptitude purge appmenu-{gtk,qt} {firefox,thunderbird}-globalmenu
[14:52] <dogmatic69> slightly quicker than http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/disable-appmenu-global-menu-in-ubuntu.html
[14:52] <oimon> it's more a public tomboy note of useful commands :)
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> oimon: done! :)
[14:53] <oimon> today's natty users are the REAL beta testers ;)
[15:19] <Azelphur> popey: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110520_150522.jpg
[15:19] <popey> 404
[15:19] <Azelphur> WFM
[15:20] <awilkins> Hmm, I can see it
[15:20] <awilkins> Tha's a lot of barebones
[15:20] <Azelphur> indeed
[15:20] <awilkins> Why 8 of everything but CPUs or are there another row behind?
[15:20] <Azelphur> another row behind.
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> Who needs CPUs when you're mining bitcoins with your GPUs ;)
[15:21] <awilkins> Making a bitcoin mining cluster? Or a gaming cafe?
[15:21] <Azelphur> bitcoin mining cluster :)
[15:21] <Azelphur> hense the big graphics cards
[15:22] <oimon> popey's been quiet today
[15:22] <popey> been busy
[15:22] <popey> fixing car
[15:22] <hamitron> gaming cafe \o/ bitcoin is the excuse
[15:22] <oimon> i thought you were busy in #linuxformat
[15:22]  * awilkins wonders if mining bitcoins is worth buying time on EC2 / GPU instances
[15:22] <popey> pic works now Azelphur
[15:22] <popey> oimon: only for the last 10 mins
[15:22]  * Azelphur awaits the incoming "loon"
[15:22] <hamitron> awilkins: it isn't
[15:22] <hamitron> costs you about 3/4 times as much as the bitcoin you get
[15:22] <popey> Azelphur: total price for that lot?
[15:22] <Azelphur> popey: £2000
[15:22] <awilkins> hamitron, It's not worth the electricity to do it yourself
[15:23] <hamitron> because nvidia cards are not as good for it
[15:23] <popey>  _
[15:23] <popey> | | ___   ___  _ __
[15:23] <popey> | |/ _ \ / _ \| '_ \
[15:23] <popey> | | (_) | (_) | | | |
[15:23] <popey> |_|\___/ \___/|_| |_|
[15:23] <hamitron> awilkins: it is
[15:23] <popey>
[15:23] <Azelphur> haha
[15:23] <hamitron> :/
[15:23] <bigcalm> o.O
[15:23] <hamitron> for now
[15:23] <awilkins> hamitron, Hmm, only if you think they will still inflate, I suppose
[15:23] <hamitron> no, at current values
[15:23] <Azelphur> anyone know where I can get cheap dvi to vga adapters?
[15:23] <Azelphur> :D
[15:23] <awilkins> Wouldn't it be easier to just spend £2000 on buying bitcoins?
[15:23] <hamitron> yes
[15:23] <hamitron> :D
[15:24] <Azelphur> maybe, but at least I'm having fun
[15:24] <oimon> popey: did you blog about the multiboot usb stick?
[15:24] <oimon> i heard you mention it on uupc
[15:24] <popey> not yet
[15:24] <hamitron> awilkins: buying bitcoins would be for someone very confident in it
[15:24] <oimon> i can wait :)
[15:24] <popey> heh
[15:24] <awilkins> It can't be a bitcoing mining cluster, you wouldn't need 8 mobos
[15:25] <awilkins> Just a few with lots of PCI-E slots
[15:25] <oimon> oh...http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/easily-create-a-multiboot-usb-stick/
[15:25] <Azelphur> awilkins: I opted for cheap boards, the cards block eachothers exhausts if you use one board
[15:25] <oimon> hmm not sure i want live sticks, but OS installed to usb
[15:25] <Azelphur> then you end up doing something like this miner, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/May%202011/2011-05-19-014621_771x443_scrot.png
[15:25] <hamitron> Azelphur: I told you to get dual channel memory packs
[15:26] <hamitron> and spilt them
[15:26] <hamitron> "told"
[15:26] <hamitron> ;/
[15:26] <Azelphur> hamitron: this was cheaper and it makes no difference?
[15:26] <hamitron> I'd of got half the ram
[15:26] <hamitron> = cheaper
[15:26] <Azelphur> lol
[15:27] <hamitron> my next bitcoin box to fire up only has 256Mb ram
[15:27] <hamitron> ¬¬
[15:27] <gord> couldn't you guys spend this time helping out on those cancer fighting things maybe?
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> folding?
[15:28] <oimon> hamitron: how many bitcoins do you own?
[15:28] <gord> there are a lot of them
[15:28] <hamitron> gord: my cpu is used for stuff on boinc
[15:28]  * MartijnVdS owns 0.02
[15:28] <hamitron> :/
[15:28] <hamitron> erm
[15:28] <hamitron> less than 1
[15:28] <hamitron> ;)
[15:28] <gord> hamitron, i was thinking the gpu stuff
[15:28]  * awilkins has a bitcoin folder in his home but doesn't know how many coins it has in it
[15:28] <oimon> coming in here makes me feel better about my sad life
[15:29] <awilkins> Run the GPU mining thing for a while but it makes the desktop really really sluggish
[15:29] <oimon> i might spend ages trying to get things working and never using the results , but at least i'm not mining bitcoins :)
[15:29] <hamitron> gord: I gotta pay fo the electric bill
[15:29] <gord> you gonna pay it with bitcoins? ;)
[15:29] <hamitron> shall i ask npower?
[15:29] <gord> seems like a nasty circle ;)
[15:29] <hamitron> :D
[15:29] <hamitron> "do you accept bitcoin?"
[15:30] <oimon> it seems easier to travel the streets picking up pennies than mining bitcoins
[15:30] <awilkins> No, he pays for the pictures of goats in compromising positions with bitcoins, and uses the money he saved to pay the electric bill
[15:30] <oimon> i hear begging is lucrative
[15:31] <gord> every six months or so i try out BOINC again, but then i stop it again, it just can't play nice with me
[15:31] <hamitron> bitcoining isn't exactly good for the environment
[15:31] <hamitron> that is the only bad thing I can see about it
[15:32]  * awilkins wouldn't mind a concrete way of contributing to any of the following ; fusion research, nanotech assembler research, AI research
[15:32]  * hamitron uses his cpu productively to search for little green men
[15:32] <hamitron> ;)
[15:32] <awilkins> Realistically, I don't have the machine tools for fusion research, the smarts for AI research, or the chemistry degree for nanotech
[15:35] <oimon> i thought SETI had closed down?
[15:36] <hamitron> I haven't done it for a while
[15:36] <hamitron> but I think there are still units to work on, last I checked
[15:36] <hamitron> just stopped recording signals
[15:37] <awilkins> I started running folding@home and stopped doing SETI@home
[15:37] <hamitron> my other projects are/were climate prediction and something to do with proteins
[15:37] <awilkins> Proteins thing was the folding@home probably
[15:37] <hamitron> maybe, yeh
[15:37] <awilkins> I think the climate thing was sponsored by the BBC, ran that for a while
[15:38] <hamitron> I've never done gpu stuff on it
[15:38] <oimon> i had a work colleague who was into WoW : he paid some chinese slaves to mine gold for him
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> there's still the RC5-72 thing
[15:38] <hamitron> too much heat
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> (+ related)
[15:38] <hamitron> :)
[15:38] <awilkins> No, I've not run a contributory-computing project in ages
[15:39] <oimon> did amazon shut down their metalturk thing?
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> oimon: no: https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome
[15:39] <awilkins> https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome
[15:39] <oimon> i was thinking they should just pipe the requests into #ubuntu-uk
[15:39]  * awilkins was pit to the draw
[15:40] <awilkins> I had a look at it... it just seemed like slavery to me
[15:41] <oimon> write a 500 word article (i.e. my homework) for $4
[15:41] <awilkins> The absolute highest job on their right now is $14.79 for transcribing a 29 minute audio tape
[15:41] <awilkins> ANd only 2 other jobs at $10 or above
[15:42] <awilkins> Hah, 6 jobs at $5
[15:42] <awilkins> or above
[15:42] <oimon> time alloted 4 hrs 30 : reward $1.27
[15:46] <awilkins> 500 words for $5.13 PLUS a !! 79 cent bonus
[15:46] <awilkins> OOooh
[15:48] <jpds> awilkins: 79 cents is what, 2p?
[15:48] <oimon> i've just sen the course material for ITIL ...i want to die
[15:52] <shauno> assume Azelphur's planning on the world ending before his creditcard bill arrives :)
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> shauno: or at least that part of the world where his credit card info is stored :)
[15:53] <DJones> popey: Mumbuntu http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/40033/ubuntu-1104-canonical-interview-linux
[15:53] <Azelphur> indeed, we're all gonna die in 2012 anyway so yay :P
[15:53] <awilkins> That's why he's working so hard to transfer his fiat currency into bitcoins
[15:55] <shauno> does look interesting, but the leccy bill would terrify me :/
[16:03] <oimon> time to try meego 1.2 on my eee pc
[16:13] <shauno> kinda curious why the bitcoin client connects to freenode?
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> it uses irc to connect to other bitcoin clients
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> to find blocks it doesn't yet have
[16:13] <gord> ugh irc? really?
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> yarly
[16:14] <shauno> that's a little awkward.  especially using a network that you're already using.  a lot of servers don't like you having multiple connections
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> you can configure the clients to all connect though a central one
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> so they don't all open irc connections
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> check the bitcoin wiki for info
[16:15] <shauno> I'm not a bitcoin client tho :)
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> yet
[16:15] <gord> it just sounds like its abusing irc servers to me
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> tell the devs
[16:16] <gord> imagine if all the bittorrent clients in the world connected to freenode
[16:18] <oimon> kaboom
[16:20] <shauno> imagine if freenode found a way to slightly interfere for their next donation drive ;)
[16:26] <oimon> WOO meego works on my non-atom eee :)
[16:27] <ali1234> 1.2?
[16:27] <ali1234> you are lucky
[16:27] <ali1234> it will probably crash at an unusual time
[16:27] <oimon> :(
[16:27] <ali1234> what cpu do you have?
[16:27] <oimon> party pooper
[16:27] <ali1234> celeron?
[16:28] <oimon> eee 701
[16:28] <oimon> yeah
[16:28] <ali1234> yeah that doesn't have ssse4 so...
[16:28] <ali1234> i did an analysis of an old meego version and ssse4 instructions only appear in glibc and qt
[16:28] <ali1234> but obviously those are quite important
[16:29] <oimon> it didn't use to boot so this is the first time i saw it working :)
[16:29] <ali1234> when you get sigill this will be why
[16:29] <oimon> chromium isn't running
[16:30] <oimon> lol
[16:30] <oimon> that excitement was short lived
[16:30] <ali1234> yeah i bet that is heavily optimized
[16:30] <ali1234> i didn't analyse nonfree
[16:31] <oimon> ali1234: how do i run a terminal?
[16:31] <ali1234> depends what ux you are using
[16:31] <oimon> ah fouind it
[16:32] <oimon> it's a sweet ui
[16:32] <oimon> shame it won't work on my eee then
[16:38] <oimon> ali1234: running chromium-browser -g for debugging gives SIGILL :(
[16:38] <ali1234> yeah there you go
[16:38] <oimon> :'(
[16:39]  * oimon wonders what else he could run on the eee
[16:40] <oimon> android-x86 needs touch screen really
[16:48] <popey> oimon: i have crunchbang on my eee 900
[16:48] <popey> but then I never ever boot it up, so dont actually use it
[16:48] <oimon> popey: lol. i found it a bit fiddly
[16:49] <oimon> gingerbread x86 is out so will try that
[16:49] <oimon> when i actually need it i use ubuntu. although elementary OS was nice on it, waiting for v0.2
[16:50] <popey> honeycomb might be interesting
[16:51] <oimon> ah poo, i got mixed up
[16:51] <oimon> i wish they would use version umber
[16:51] <oimon> 2.3 isn't much over 2.2
[16:52]  * MartijnVdS is waiting for his Xoom
[16:53] <oimon> ££
[16:53] <oimon> €€
[16:55] <oimon> the locksmith never arrived to let me get into my office at work...luckily we barged the door open at 10am and didn't tell anyone
[16:55] <PalaPad> Yay managed to jump an earlier train leaving for home sooooooon :)
[16:55] <PalaPad> Get home an hour earlier than expected
[16:55] <PalaPad> Was another good meeting today, wish all policy meetings I attend were as mature and intelligent as the Nominet ones
[16:56] <oimon> 2.3 is feeling fast
[17:00] <awilkins> I would have spent an hour trying to pick the lock
[17:01] <awilkins> (just for the fun of it)
[17:01] <Azelphur> took this test, http://aq.server8.org/ scored 47/50 haha
[17:01] <Azelphur> the autism in me, it is clearly strong \o/
[17:01] <Azelphur> it diagnosed me right though, said I have aspergers syndrome, which I do xD
[17:06] <awilkins> 34
[17:06] <awilkins> How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
[17:06] <Azelphur> awilkins: 21
[17:06] <awilkins> I think my score would have been higher when I was 20, as opposed to now when I@m 37
[17:06] <dwatkins> I should probably do the test also.
[17:07]  * dwatkins is 34
[17:07] <awilkins> A lot of the questions I found myself thinking "Well, I _can_ guage people like that ... but I don't do it instinctively, I do it intellectually"
[17:08] <Azelphur> awilkins: I can manage social situations reasonably well, but everything social has to be done intellectually
[17:08] <Azelphur> I had to "re-learn" pretty much everything
[17:09] <brobostigon> Azelphur: 41.
[17:10] <brobostigon> 41 out of 50, is pretty high.
[17:10] <Azelphur> :)
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> 31
[17:11] <awilkins> I would probably have got a higher score... but I do prefer the theatre to the museum, because I've seen all the museums I'd be interested in...
[17:12] <awilkins> And doing things the same way all the time is boring...
[17:12] <awilkins> And I do like to meet new people, as long as they are interesting ones (like you get at geeky socials)
[17:13] <awilkins> But I totally hate "standard" social gatherings
[17:14] <awilkins> So it probably under-scored me because I wasn't answering some of the questions in line with expectations... and I'm now arguing that I should have a higher score for being socially dysfunctional, which pretty much makes me a giant nerd and proud of it...
[17:15] <awilkins> Which probably describes most of the people in here
[17:17] <brobostigon> awilkins: the social dysfunction you experience, is a different kind of social inabilty, than within autism. iwould say, from personal experience.
[17:21] <shauno> heh, 44, but I don't consider myself autistic
[17:21]  * awilkins is definitely not autistic but his paediatrician / wife suspects he's Aspergic
[17:22] <kazade> I only got 23
[17:22] <kazade> what is this thing testing exactly?
[17:22] <awilkins> What are you, some kind of girl?
[17:22] <Azelphur> lol
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> kazade: how much like Azelphur you are, apparently ;) he's scored the highest
[17:22] <Azelphur> nobody will beat my 47 >:)
[17:22] <awilkins> Well, I could, but not by answering honestly
[17:23] <shauno> I think knowing what they're looking for taints it quite heavily
[17:23] <awilkins> Yup. And also knowing how to answer because you have a medical degree (or even a basic knowledge of pop-psychology)
[17:24] <kazade> I'm pretty sure if I made out that I'm not a manipulative bastard... I'd score higher
[17:25] <kazade> if you can read people, it makes the score go down
[17:25] <Azelphur> lol
[17:25] <shauno> manipulating the test into thinking you're not manipulative?  ;)
[17:25] <kazade> heh, indeed
[17:26] <awilkins> It doesn't account for genuine empathy versus the ability to read social cues without empathy
[17:26] <kazade> awilkins, that's a good point
[17:26] <Azelphur> indeed :p
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> Does that matter though? If the effect is the same.. :)
[17:27] <awilkins> Well, I think the former is something that you develop earlier on and the latter has to be learned
[17:27] <shauno> if you're investigating the effects, probably not.  if you're after the cause, then sure it matters
[17:27] <kazade> MartijnVdS, you could be completely analytical at reading people and that would show up as empathy in this test
[17:27] <awilkins> Which is why I think I got a lower score than I would have done 20 years ago
[17:27] <Azelphur> yea, I answered the questions ignoring my analytical stuff I've developed over the years
[17:28] <shauno> I've discovered it's easier to talk to my isp on twitter than on the phone.  I'm fairly sure that's a bad sign
[17:28] <awilkins> Naah, that's true of nearly everything I find
[17:28] <kazade> I think if I'd taken that test at 18, it'd be in the high 40s
[17:28] <Azelphur> haha, I avoid phone calls like the plague
[17:28] <Azelphur> I usually get my brother/mum to make them for me, I really hate phone calls :(
[17:28] <awilkins> I can't order takeaway on the phone - noone understands my received-pronunciation accent up north...
[17:29]  * brobostigon is quite emotional, but most people think he behaves quite logically, and totally illogiclly, even when i think i am emotional.
[17:29] <kazade> Azelphur, +1
[17:29] <awilkins> And I hate making the call too
[17:29] <kazade> I used to do anything to avoid phoning someone
[17:29] <Azelphur> hehe, I don't answer the house phone either
[17:29] <awilkins> Which is why the stereotype of geeks ordering pizza via the web is so pervasive.
[17:29] <Azelphur> lol
[17:29] <shauno> phone calls are a large part of my day job :/  but I prefer written conversations for support, because you can take a few minutes to find the right answer, rather than feeling compelled to give them something *now* just to fill the awkward silence
[17:30] <awilkins> There's no point me answering the phone when my wife is in. 90% of the time it's her mother, for her
[17:30] <awilkins> Yup, hate it when people ask questions in voice calls that you know will take several minutes research to answer correctly.
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> also, you have your own phone now ;)
[17:30] <brobostigon> i also hate telephone calls, nothing beats talking to another logical person/creature in real life.
[17:30] <kazade> HOMETIME!
[17:30] <kazade> bring on the Rapture :p
[17:31] <kazade> have a good weekend all
[17:31] <brobostigon> bye kazade o/
[17:31] <shauno> we work on a system where data's only posted every 10-15 minutes.  makes for some gutwrenching calls, because they make a change, and then you have to wait up to 15 minutes for them to be reflected
[17:31]  * awilkins puts a VU meter up just so he can bask in the glory of having fixed a kernel bug that makes his microphone work again
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> you  fix your own kernel bugs?
[17:31] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Only the second one in 10 years
[17:32] <shauno> so you end up with management's desire for "first call resolution" as a metric, vs some really, really awkward calls
[17:32] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, And the first one was pretty trivial - bunch of IR remote keycodes in a table
[17:32]  * MartijnVdS has teh cool: http://i.imgur.com/QGoJB.jpg
[17:33] <awilkins> Are they meant to habve wool for hair?
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Headless+Heroes
[17:33] <awilkins> Hmm, wall mounted album covers. Nice
[17:33] <shauno> cardboard cutouts for friends?  martijn scores 51/50!
[17:33] <awilkins> Oh, table. Foiled by perspective
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: yes, table :)
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: 8-)
[17:34] <awilkins> They would make quite nice wall art though
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> they would, yes
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> lots of record covers would
[17:34]  * awilkins is inspired to put on loud PJ
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: try Headless Heroes -- they're on U1MS (and on youtube, if you want it for free)
[17:36] <shauno> rx/tx power levels on a cable modem .. anyone have any pointers how to enterpret the values?
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> probably dB?
[17:36] <shauno> yeah, they'd dBmV
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> (dBm
[17:36] <shauno> but no indication of whether big numbers are better, etc
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> mV.. hmm
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> bigger numbers = it's screaming louder :)
[17:37] <awilkins> deibelmillivolts
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> unless it's signal-to-noise ratio
[17:37] <shauno> my receive level bounces between -6 and -7, and I've no idea if that's a good thing or a bad thing :)
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBm
[17:38] <shauno> and ntl are more interested in when I last rebooted my computer :/
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that contains a table
[17:39] <awilkins> shauno, I think the signal/noise ratio is the most important
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> it is
[17:39] <shauno> it doesn't tell me that :/
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> shauno: what DOES it tell you?
[17:40] <awilkins> shauno, Mine is 39.2 for reference, and I have a good connection. (downstream power -6.4dBmV)
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: 39.2 is a lot
[17:40] <shauno> MartijnVdS: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/Screen%20shot%202011-05-20%20at%2017.39.58.png
[17:40] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, I live in the original NTL CM trial area, I think the wires here are good because they were trying hard
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> I get 6dB down, 8dB up (SNR) on my ADSL
[17:41]  * awilkins has cable, apples, oranges
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> I don't know cable
[17:41] <awilkins> Neither do I
[17:41] <shauno> that's all I can get out of it.  the rest of the pages tell me "This feature has not been enabled in your cable modem.", and the mffr's password doesn't seem to get me anywhere :(
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's seeing a signal -- it's _something_ :)
[17:42] <awilkins> Cool, for some reason I have 1Mbit/s upstream now
[17:42] <shauno> yeah.  it wasn't 30 minutes ago :)
[17:42] <awilkins> I'd noticed, but the modem confirms it
[17:43] <shauno> as far as I can tell, -7 coming in is rather 'quiet', and 60 going out means it's having to yell rather loud to reach the other end
[17:44] <awilkins> My upstream is 39.0 dBmV
[17:44] <awilkins> My down is -6.5
[17:44] <shauno> hm.  I had -6 yesterday, -7 today :/
[17:45] <shauno> starting to think I should get off my rear and try hooking it up to different outlets to see if we just have dodgy cabling
[17:45] <awilkins> The last I had trouble, the engineer put a new attenuator on and that fixed it
[17:46] <shauno> we have 4 outlets for cable, which is kinda convenient.  but also a bad sign, because they tend to be wired up by regular sparkies who really aren't used to RF
[17:46] <awilkins> The old one was oblong, he said it was a museum piece
[17:47] <awilkins> The other spate of trouble was because the local router was totally overwhelmed by torrenting gits
[17:47] <shauno> yours or theirs?
[17:47] <awilkins> Theirs
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: stop torrenting then
[17:47] <awilkins> Was obv. short on RAM or CPU because it was returning ping times of 150ms + and download speeds of a few KB
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: http://www.bufferbloat.net/
[17:48] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Maybe so... it was fine for a while, but now it's a bit slow in the evening
[17:49] <awilkins> More total bandwidth than latency though
[17:49] <shauno> mine gets better overnight (but tends to disconnect between midnight and 1am)
[17:49] <awilkins> It helped a lot when they started their 50Mbit/s tier on DOCSIS 3 hardware
[17:49] <awilkins> All the torrenting gits moved to that
[17:50] <awilkins> Now I fear there is a new groundswell of torrenting gits on the lower tiers as the general public catch on
[17:51] <shauno> I don't actually know that many people that are into that kinda thing
[17:51] <shauno> besides work, which is kinda nerd-heavy
[17:52] <awilkins> Maybe it's people streaming telly then...
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> DVB-T interfering with the cable signal?
[17:52] <awilkins> Streaming via IP
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> yes I know
[17:53] <shauno> got some friends in the US, downloaded one movie, one time. got a letter from their isp asking them not to do that again, and just about <expletive> bricks
[17:53] <awilkins> I like DVB-T, I don't have to stream shows at the networks mercy
[17:53] <awilkins> Just record them
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: I have -T and -S2 here :)
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> too bad there's a driver bug for my S2 card so tuning fails 75% of the time
[17:54] <shauno> I totally dig iplayer.  whenever I get bored at work, get_iplayer's usually dropped something new into my dropbox for me :)
[17:54] <awilkins> I find -T to be adequate for my needs - three tuners and a TB of disk space and really, there's enough on to keep one occupied in dull moments
[17:54] <awilkins> The wifelet loves MythTV, refers to it as my greatest gift to her. Besides, you know, marriage and child.
[17:55] <shauno> I find dropbox is a pretty winning combination for it, because if it's there, it's already local & available.  if it's not there yet, I don't know any better so no harm
[17:55] <awilkins> Won't let me upgrade it because she's become attached to the theme I have on right now... which isn't available in anything past Karmic...
[17:55]  * livingdaylight is listening to Strobe by deadmau5
[17:56] <awilkins> I think work would take a dim view of me doing that
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> get better work :)
[17:56] <awilkins> We have to suffer a mere 30Mbit/s each way for the whole of the NHS <---> Greater internet  gateway
[17:57] <shauno> I can pretty much get away with murder as long as my response times are low
[17:57] <awilkins> You Dutch people have multi-megabit connections in the toilet, for heaven's sakes
[17:57] <shauno> dualhead & headphones means I don't miss a thing.  so watching tv works better than zoning out
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Only because my utility closet is next to my water closet ;)
[17:57] <awilkins> "I'm just going to the bathroom for a major download, hurr hurr"
[17:58] <brobostigon> lol:)
[17:59] <livingdaylight> i am completely addicted to chocolate
[18:00] <awilkins> http://www.lewhif.com/
[18:03] <livingdaylight> breathable chocolate, lol
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> don't tell Myrtti
[18:14] <fujisan> hi
[18:15] <fujisan> oh wow even pippa is here
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> itym popey?
[18:16] <shauno> who'd be surprised that popey's here?
[18:16] <ikonia> fujisan: it would be helpful if you could leave this channel also
[18:18] <fujisan> ikonia why exactly?
[18:18] <fujisan> i have been chatting here for quite a while
[18:18] <dutchie> is anyone still running 10.10 here that can try and reproduce a bug for me?
[18:19] <ikonia> fujisan: because of the reasons I explained to you the other day, you're behaviour in the ubuntu channels has gotten you banned from pretty much every channel, you only join to try to provoke something, you are in other non-official ubuntu channels that better suit your requirements, I'd suggest you use them
[18:19] <shauno> only 10.04 here
[18:20] <fujisan> ikonia thanks for the suggestion but you are talking about my past i changed in the meantime like i explained before
[18:20] <fujisan> that's all i am going to say about this
[18:20] <ikonia> fujisan: that changes nothing, you've said you've changed MANY times before,
[18:20] <fujisan> end of discussion
[18:20] <fujisan> thanks :)
[18:20] <ikonia> I'll inform the operators of this channel about the situation
[18:20] <fujisan> stop the ad hominems please ikonia
[18:20] <fujisan> really uncalled for
[18:20] <ikonia> sorry what ?
[18:21] <Azelphur> !drama
[18:21] <Azelphur> aww, he doesn't know anything about drama :(
[18:21] <AlanBell> yeah, lets put this conversation on hold for a sec
[18:21] <Azelphur> the poor bot clearly hasn't been on IRC that long
[18:22] <highvoltage> poor bot
[18:25] <AlanBell> fujisan: can you join #ubuntu-irc please
[18:26] <fujisan> okay
[18:31] <awilkins> dutchie, I still have 10.10
[18:32] <dutchie> awilkins: do you have compiz on?
[18:32] <awilkins> dutchie, I'll have to boot it
[18:32] <awilkins> It's on another machine
[18:33] <dutchie> oh, not that bothered then
[18:33] <awilkins> Hokay
[19:42] <shauno> well, this good spookily quiet.  time for some civ5 instead I think
[19:45]  * Laney clangs some pots
[19:45]  * MartijnVdS wakes up
[19:52] <jacobw> i have a question for the house..
[19:52] <jacobw> to put chocolate in chilli or not?
[19:52] <jacobw> chilli con carne that is, before any pedants attack :p
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> chilli con chocolate
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Please try and notify us of the results :)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> (you can always call a pizza)
[19:55] <jacobw> haha
[19:55] <jacobw> some people do it and others don't
[19:57] <SpudULike> Dark chocolate, obviously. Darker the better I suspect.
[19:58] <shauno> I can't imagine chocolate ever being the wrong answer; but I'm a terrible cook
[19:59] <SpudULike> Though Mint Aero might just work ;-)
[19:59] <jacobw> i'm definately putting mint aero in my next chilli now :D
[19:59] <SpudULike> Humble gwibber user has a question. Is there anyway to control the scrollback buffer size to a set amount, either of message count, or age?
[20:08] <mgdm> jacobw: I've heard it said that dark chocolate is excellent in chilli, not tried myself though
[20:20] <danfish> I remember hearing about an app to create mockups of UI's but can't for the life of me remember the name - any ideas?
[20:20] <jacobw> glade?
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> has gwibber stopped crashing yet?
[20:22] <mgdm> danfish: glade can make mockups and then you can use the mockup /as/ the UI :)
[20:23] <danfish> mgdm jacobw - I don't think that was it, but if glade will do mockups then I'll give it a go. tx
[20:23] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: in gwibber-dailies, yes. here certainly.
[20:24] <czajkowski> I HATE_MRIs
[20:24] <mgdm> danfish: they won't be mockups, they'll be real buttons and stuff, just not wired up to anything - I've used it for mockups in the past and then used GtkBuilder to wire it up to a real app
[20:25] <czajkowski> danfish: if I register with a gp in my local area and move,. do I really have to give that gp up and find a new one ???
[20:26]  * awilkins finds it quicker to do UI mockups in real toolkits rather than drawing tools with GUI template sets
[20:26] <danfish> mgdm awilkins - that's probably a good approach
[20:26] <popey> PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
[20:26] <awilkins> Chiiiiiicken
[20:26] <danfish> czajkowski: depends a bit - will you still be in their catchment area?
[20:26] <czajkowski> danfish: nope
[20:26] <Azelphur> Noooooooooothiiiiiiiiiing :-(
[20:27] <czajkowski> danfish: but I've found a damn good dr.
[20:27] <brobostigon> margherita, :)
[20:27] <Azelphur> oh wait, biscuits.
[20:27] <Azelphur> biiiiiiiiiiiiiiscccuiiiiiiiiiiiiiits
[20:27] <czajkowski> who's been really good and patient and listened to me and been good and getting me treatment fast
[20:27]  * awilkins was tempted by bottled mojitos in supermarket, but did not succumb
[20:27] <danfish> czajkowski: the alternative (but I didn't tell you this) is to not tell them you've moved and setup a mail redirect
[20:27] <czajkowski> danfish: ohh ok
[20:28] <danfish> I think a mail redirect costs about £8 per month and can be done online
[20:28] <czajkowski> danfish: to be fair my gp knows I'm moving which is why she got my MRI done in 2 weeks and is trying to get the results by next friday for me to figure out wtf Ive done
[20:28] <czajkowski> danfish: thanks
[20:29] <danfish> moving far?
[20:29] <czajkowski> danfish: London
[20:30] <czajkowski> she's a damn good gp
[20:30] <czajkowski> and I'm really comfortable with her
[20:30] <czajkowski> and she listens when I tell her why I need certain meds and doesnt freak out like the receptionist did when I asked for a repeat precription after only getting it less than 3 weeks ago
[20:35] <danfish> czajkowski: quick PM?
[20:35] <czajkowski> sure
[20:42] <Azelphur> I'm trying to do this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto I'm on the Creating your NFS Installation, part 3 Copy OS files to the server
[20:43] <Azelphur> but it just spams failed to preserve ownership for <file>: Invalid argument
[20:50] <Azelphur> does nfs even preserve permissions?
[20:57] <shauno> it should do, altho it can treat root oddly
[20:58] <Azelphur> shauno: for me it's just throwing that error and setting all the user/groups to<PHONE_NUMBER>
[20:58] <shauno> are any of the squash options set in /etc/exports on the server?
[20:59] <Azelphur> shauno: it's got no_root_squash
[20:59] <Azelphur> the full line is /nfsroot <IP_ADDRESS>(rw,no_root_squash,async,insecure)
[21:00] <shauno> perms should work then :/  (assuming /nfsroot is on a filesystem that can handle them)
[21:01] <Azelphur> shauno: yea, server and client are both ubuntu server with ext4
[21:04] <Azelphur> shauno: some word on ubuntu forums that it might be because I used drive encryption
[21:04] <Azelphur> but then again it's failing on stuff outside /home, too
[21:04] <shauno> never tried that, so no idea what impact it'd have :/
[21:05] <Azelphur> I doubt the OS will work with all the permissions srcewed up :/
[21:05] <Azelphur> so I guess I have to start again without drive encryption \o/
[21:10] <hamitron> Azelphur: you could tar the filesystem
[21:10] <Azelphur> nah, the nodes will need sane write access too
[21:11] <Azelphur> the permissions need to work
[21:11] <hamitron> true
[21:16] <Myrtti> meh
[21:16] <Myrtti> UK is nice, too bad I have to leave so soon.
[21:23] <Azelphur> hamitron: haha, the permissions on the server are set correct
[21:23] <Azelphur> but on the client it's all messed up
[21:32] <daubers> Evening
[21:32] <brobostigon> noswaith dda daubers
[21:39] <daubers> La la la la la la
[21:51] <Azelphur> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_end_times_prediction
[21:51] <Azelphur> 2 hours till doomsday xD
[21:54] <jacobw> I can't wait :D
[21:54] <Azelphur> indeed, fun fun
[21:56] <jacobw> we'd be a good after the rapture task force, i think most of ubuntu-uk are heathens
[21:56] <jacobw> after the rapture tech support :P
[21:57] <Azelphur> haha
[21:57] <Azelphur> yea, they can't kill us, they need us to fix their computers. :)
[21:59] <AlanBell> so we would be safe from the zombie apocalypse?
[22:00] <Azelphur> in theory
[22:08] <shauno> zombies use computers?
[22:11] <Azelphur> anyone wanna help me with netboot? I'm getting this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/May%202011/2011-05-20-220803_720x446_scrot.png :(
[22:13] <shauno> got a feeling this compute cluster is going to be very educational for you :)
[22:13] <shauno> (no use here tho)
[22:13] <Azelphur> yea, it is :)
[22:13] <Azelphur> I've almost completed the guide, it should be perfect
[22:14] <Azelphur> I assume I've done something wrong in the tftpd setup, this guide is really outdated
[22:14] <shauno> I'd be tempted to use it as a playground for puppet & openstack, just to get the buzzword quota up :)
[22:15] <Azelphur> lol
[22:15] <Azelphur> shauno: I dunno, Supercomputer is a pretty big buzz word :p
[22:15] <shauno> was looking around earlier tho.  seems you got quite a deal on the components.  I couldn't find 8 comparable video cards for 2000 eur, let alone the whole pile
[22:17] <Azelphur> yea, I pushed for a good deal
[22:28] <Azelphur> haha, solved one problem I think, the pxelinux config format changed
[23:13]  * daubers wonders if planet software is inherently broken
[23:13] <AlanBell> it is
[23:14] <AlanBell> it is subject to breakage by the feed contents
[23:14] <ali1234> hmm so the alternate cd no longer gives you a choice of what to install?
[23:15] <AlanBell> anyone tried the oem-config stuff in Natty?
[23:15] <ali1234> does the netboot cd still ask?
[23:21] <daubers> AlanBell: More in the fact that it polls, rather than is notified of events
[23:24] <AlanBell> well RSS is inherently broken then
[23:27] <gord> ali1234, no more netbook edition
[23:27] <ali1234> gord: i said netboot not netbook
[23:27] <ali1234> as in minimal.iso
[23:30] <AlanBell> ali1234: what choices are you looking for?
[23:30] <ali1234> AlanBell: mythtv-backend, openssh-server, xorg-server, none of the following: gnome, kde, xfce
[23:31] <gord> ah sorry, my mistake
[23:31] <ali1234> the alternate cd used to offer all these choices
[23:31] <popey> expert mode?
[23:31] <popey> that usually gives every option
[23:31] <ali1234> how do i expert mode?
[23:32] <popey> and lets you pick the ones its configured to skip
[23:32] <popey> choose it at the boot menu
[23:32] <popey> it's an "extra" option iirc
[23:32] <popey> memory is vauge, but it's certainly an option
[23:32] <popey> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateExpert
[23:33] <popey> f6 option
[23:33] <ali1234> but given that that section of the menu is completely gone is expert mode actually going to help?
[23:33] <popey> well non-expert does skip some menus entirely
[23:33] <ali1234> i'll try it in a minute anyway
[23:33] <popey> where expert lets you see them
[23:33] <popey> but i haven't used alternate recently, you may be right, they may well have removed it entirely
[23:34] <popey> step 66 on that page might be it
[23:34] <ali1234> maybe i'm thinking of the server cd
[23:34] <ali1234> the one that no longer exists at all?
[23:34] <popey> maybe
[23:34] <popey> it doesn't?
[23:34] <ali1234> yes
[23:34] <popey> http://en.releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-server-amd64.iso
[23:34] <popey> wossat then?
[23:35] <ali1234> i dunno
[23:35] <popey> thats the server cd
[23:35] <popey> ☺
[23:36] <popey> and bed
[23:36] <popey> nn
[23:37] <shauno> that list isn't particularly tied to the image you use.  you can just as easily fire off tasksel after it's booted
[23:37] <AlanBell> ali1234: is the oem config option still there on the alternate cd?
[23:38] <ali1234> i don't know, i;ve never heard of or seen oem config option
[23:38] <AlanBell> ok
[23:38] <AlanBell> it basically resets everything and deletes your user after you install it so on first boot it asks your name and timezone
[23:39] <AlanBell> there is an oem-config package, not sure how well maintained it is, I last used it in Hardy
[23:39] <AlanBell> !info oem-config
[23:40] <AlanBell> so you install it, add extra packages and mess things about, then reset it with oem-config-prepare then clone the disk image
[23:51] <ali1234> keyboard setup on alternate cd doesn't work :(
[23:52] <Azelphur> what's the package to install if I just want X on Ubuntu?
[23:53] <Azelphur> (No DM, no WM, nothing, just X.)
[23:53] <ali1234> xorg-server probably
[23:53] <Azelphur> fun :P
[23:53] <ali1234> will tell you in a minute when i figure it out
[23:53] <Azelphur> no such package haha
[23:53] <Azelphur> that works :D
[23:54] <ali1234> look at dependencies of fglrx package for clues :)
[23:55] <Azelphur> ali1234: hehe
[23:57] <gord> xserver-xorg isn't it?
[23:57] <Azelphur> yea, I just installed fglrx and let it grab dependencies
[23:57] <Azelphur> cheating \o/
[23:58] <gord> idoes that not bring in gtk or something?
[23:58] <gord> i guess if your being lazy you don't care :)
[23:59] <AlanBell> I would install xeyes


[10:01] <twb> Why is lucid's running the same old syslinux as jaunty?
[10:02] <twb> I wanted to use the "isohybrid" feature that allows me to make an install image that's both a bootable ISO 9660 image and a bootable USB hard disk image, but this feature was introduced around 3.70 -- which even Debian Lenny has :-/
[10:04] <cjwatson> because it was really hard work to merge and I didn't have time to take on the QA load
[10:05] <cjwatson> due to gfxboot, our syslinux is heavily patched.  hopefully that delta should drop with the update, but it was going to be hard work to make sure of that
[10:05] <twb> Yeah, #syslinux thought it was probably gfxboot's fault
[10:06] <twb> Apparently gfxboot is becoming a proper module, so that issue should disappear
[10:06] <twb> I guess I'll just have to work around it until 12.04
[10:19] <applejack> hello, how would I go about installing 10.04 on a blue/white g3? the cmd64x driver doesn't seem to be included, and the ata-generic driver won't see the harddrive
[10:19] <twb> applejack: Ubuntu doesn't support the POWER architecture.
[10:20] <applejack> hmm,... the cd boots tho
[10:20] <twb> I think there are some unofficial ports
[10:20] <applejack> let me rephrase then,. how do I stop the livecd from loading the ata-generic module?
[10:21] <twb> You could try playing games in "expert" mode by bouncing into a shell and setting up blacklists
[10:21] <twb> Or modifying the CD, of course.
[10:21] <applejack> yea,. well, apart from doing that
[10:22] <twb> If that unit supports the so-called "target ata", just plugging it into a modern machine and doing the install that way would be easiest
[10:22] <twb> (Or simply ripping the disk out and putting it into a modern machine while you install to it.)
[10:22] <applejack> yea,. done that
[10:23] <applejack> but yaboot is broken
[10:23] <applejack> it seems that _has _ to be installed on hte hardware
[10:23] <twb> Shrug.  I haven't dealt with newworld hardware for years.
[10:23] <twb> If it were me, I'd first try fixing yaboot's config
[10:24] <applejack> hmm
[10:25] <cjwatson> ata-generic shouldn't actually claim the device unless there's nothing better around to drive it
[10:25] <cjwatson> (unless you boot with all_generic_ide)
[10:25] <applejack> cjwatson: that's the problem,... the cmd64x driver is not on the livecd, so there is nothing better
[10:26] <applejack> and it's needed for the cd I suppose
[10:26] <cjwatson> right.  please file a bug on the Ubuntu kernel asking them to turn on cmd64x for powerpc, so that at least this gets fixed in the future
[10:26] <cjwatson> it's simply not built for powerpc at all, as far as I can see, it's not just that it isn't on the live CD
[10:26] <cjwatson> which makes a workaround kind of hard
[10:27] <applejack> ubuntu-10.04-desktop-powerpc.iso
[10:27] <cjwatson> it'd make it a customisation job - or you could plead with the kernel guys to get this into a stable update for lucid, so that we can include it in a point release or something
[11:04] <ev> michaelforrest2: ready?
[11:09] <michaelforrest2> ev: yep - wanna come in here?
[11:09] <michaelforrest2> (TV ROOM)
[11:09] <ev> surely
[12:46] <twb> OK, WTF.  I just went through a netboot install of lucid, doing my usual partman configuration of /boot ext2 on RAID1 on sd[ab]0 and root ext4 on LVM on RAID1 on sd[ab]1.
[12:47] <twb> When I go to boot the system, I find that /boot won't assemble, /dev/sd[ab] themselves are md1, and /cat/proc/partitions is reporting partitions sd[ab]{,0,1} and md1{,p1,p2}
[12:48] <twb> I could do without this kind of surprise at 10PM on a Friday :-/
[12:49] <applejack> sd[ab]0 ?!??
[12:50] <twb> Er, sorry, off-by-one error
[12:50] <twb> Lemme transcribe it exactly
[12:51] <applejack> does it assemble if you do it manually?
[12:52] <twb> mdadm -A /dev/md0 --scan ?
[12:52] <twb> I'm also a bit grumpy about plymouth being installed on a server when the only thing I picked in tasksel was libvirt.
[12:53] <twb> The entries in /proc/partitions are sd[ab], md1, sd[ab][12], md1p[12], and the LVM LVs.
[12:54] <twb> mdadm -A /dev/md0 --scan causes it to assemble md0 with one drive -- md1p1
[12:55] <applejack> mdadm --examine --scan ?
[12:56] <twb> I'm guessing somehow nobody bothered to test the new partitions-on-md-devices code in this particular configuration.
[12:58] <applejack> you need to make your root md device NOT use the first 512 byte of the drive
[12:58] <applejack> I forget the option to create it that way
[12:59] <cjwatson> --zero-superblock might be relevant
[12:59] <twb> Well, I didn't make it use the first 512 bytes
[12:59] <twb> That's where the MBR should be
[12:59] <cjwatson> plymouth is mandatory for all Ubuntu installs, and it's not just for splash screens, I'm not going to go into that discussion yet again
[12:59] <applejack> bbiab
[12:59] <twb> I mean: I just asked partman to lay out normal partitions.
[13:00] <soren> twb: plymouth is in ubuntu-minimal. It's got nothing to do with libvirt.
[13:00] <soren> twb: Oh, cjwatson just pointed that out. Never mind.
[13:00] <twb> sda was previously a SCO 5 disk; sdb was almost certainly blank.  I *think* I told partman to make a new disk label, but I might misremember.
[13:02] <twb> It appears that openssh-server is installed, but not running.
[13:03] <twb> Ah, it'll be because I dropped into a recovery shell when /boot failed to mount, so I never reached the "filesystems" event that ssh.conf was waiting for.
[13:09] <twb> Incidentally, when using qemu -curses, is there an -append option I can add to prevent lucid from loading vga16fb?  qemu -curses can render the 80x25 VGA console, but not framebuffers.
[13:11] <twb> (Contrariwise, I can happily report that everything Just Worked when I installed lucid on a headless/serial-only Soekris net5501 router recently.)
[13:14] <twb> http://pastebin.com/DrhNVj7Q is the output from the current md1p1-wacky host
[13:22] <cjwatson> blacklist=vga16fb should do it
[13:22] <twb> Thanks.
[13:22] <twb> I was trying all sorts of things like video=false and vga=normal to no avail
[13:22] <cjwatson> those ought to blacklist vga16fb too
[13:23] <cjwatson> which implies blacklist=vga16fb mightn't help, but you can try it ...
[13:23] <twb> I will when I roll my next VM
[13:27] <soren> It works for me, fwiw.
[13:28] <soren> All of those do, actually.
[13:28] <soren> video=false, vga=normal, and blacklist=vga16fb.
[13:28] <twb> Hum.
[13:28] <twb> soren: in qemu?  What version of qemu?
[13:28] <soren> Whatever's in Lucid.
[13:28] <cjwatson> I suspect that something after the initramfs is loading vga16fb
[13:28] <soren> cjwatson: Ah, point.
[13:29] <soren> I only tested up to and including initramfs.
[13:29] <cjwatson> the handling for those options is specific to the initramfs
[13:29] <cjwatson> I don't know what, though
[13:29] <twb> I vaguely remember looking at the module config shortly before lucid was released
[13:29] <twb> IIRC it said something like "make sure we never ever load a non-KMS fb" followed immediately by "except we should always always load vga16fb"
[13:33] <soren> twb: With blacklist=vga16fb, I can boot all the way to a login prompt with -curses.
[13:33] <soren> (in maverick, at least)
[13:38] <twb> OK, I just reproduced it in the netboot kernel before I get as far as installation.
[13:38] <twb> qemu-system-x86_64 -curses -kernel linux -initrd initrd.gz -append 'blacklist=vga16fb fb=false video=false vga=normal'
[13:39] <twb> Using qemu0.11.1-2.ubuntu1 and mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/{linux,initrd.gz}
[13:40] <twb> I'll grab the archive.ubuntu.com kernel and ramdisk to be doubly sure
[13:42] <twb> Yeah, same cksums for archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/{linux,initrd.gz}
[13:44] <soren> ...and that doesn't work for you?
[13:45] <twb> It gets as far as [    4.676325] fb0: VGA16 VGA frame buffer device
[13:45] <twb> Then I get "640 x 480 Graphic mode" from qemu, and can't see anything
[13:46] <twb> (Actually there are a couple of messages about e.g. virtio shortly after that kmsg, but I didn't capture them.)
[13:46] <soren> twb: Ah, that's the installer initrd. It might be different that what's in an installed system.
[13:46] <soren> Well, it /is/ different, of course, but in a way that matters for this use case.
[13:47] <twb> I don't really care about an installed system because 1) it'll be pre-seeded to include openssh-server; and 2) I can do arbitrarily filthy things, "install vga16fb true" in /etc/modprobe.d/kludges.conf
[13:48] <twb> But in the initrd, it means I *must* preseed at least enough to get the sshd udeb installed, or use -nographic (serial) or -vnc :0.
[13:56] <twb> soren: I *can* confirm that blacklist=vga16fb DTRT in a lucid live CD generated by live-helper.
[15:20] <CIA-4> grub-installer: cjwatson * r855 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): Install grub-efi on i386/efi and amd64/efi subarchitectures.
[15:37] <CIA-4> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r587 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog fstab.d/basic): Automatically mount the first method=efi filesystem we see on /boot/efi.
[15:39] <CIA-4> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r588 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 63ubuntu6
[15:41] <CIA-4> partman-auto: cjwatson * r323 ubuntu/ (9 files in 3 dirs):
[15:41] <CIA-4> partman-auto: Add i386/efi (and amd64/efi, kfreebsd-i386/efi, and kfreebsd-amd64/efi)
[15:41] <CIA-4> partman-auto: recipes that create an EFI System Partition.
[15:42] <CIA-4> partman-auto: cjwatson * r324 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 91ubuntu2
[15:46] <cjwatson> ev: do you know how the foundations-m-gsoc-usbcreator-* work items for alpha-2 are going?
[15:59] <ev> cjwatson: I've moved them to A3.  I don't think they'll be ready for A2.
[16:04] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[17:21] <ev> michaelforrest: the plan is to get rid of the hostname box entirely, correct?
[18:01] <twb> FYI, the Australia/Melbourne vs. Australia/Victoria timezone detector thing is working now.
[18:21] <twb> Looks like I can't remove the sda5_crypt that guided partition created via partman -- but I *can* just spawn a shell and run "cryptsetup remove sda5_crypt".


[00:50]  * genii sips
[00:50]  * h00k toasts
[00:57]  * funkyHat wiggles
[00:58]  * genii sips a bit more while wiggling and toasts h00k
[01:42]  * MrPancake sits on a plate
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[08:27] <Jordan_U> kk17 in #ubuntu
[08:29] <Tm_T> I'm on it
[08:29] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: thanks
[08:31] <Jordan_U> Tm_T: Thank you. Is there a good way to get your attention in the future without using !ops in the channel? The "Help! Channel Emergency!" feels like feeding the troll.
[08:32] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: hinting here or using the ops call, those are the methods
[08:33] <Jordan_U> Ok, thanks again.
[10:35] <Tm_T> someone should change +1 topic
[10:35] <Tm_T> it's still saying it's "official lynx discussion"
[10:38] <jussi> Tm_T: its currently invite only...
[10:38] <jussi> ie, not open
[10:38] <Tm_T> still!
[10:39] <jussi> opens at or after UDS.
[10:39] <Tm_T> I know, wouldn't hurt change the topic though, considering there's plenty of people still in
[10:40] <Tm_T> "Channel is currently closed until after UDSM, for Meerkat" or something
[10:41] <jussi> fixored
[10:41] <Tm_T> jussi: thanks sir
[10:49] <Tm_T> hi jrib
[10:50] <jrib> hey Tm_T
[12:37] <IdleOne> I hate people who make stupid remarks and then leave the channel.
[12:38] <bazhang> I marked him in bt
[12:39] <IdleOne> bazhang: just shows me what little chickens they are
[12:39] <bazhang> check the quit message on Ocean in -ot
[12:39] <IdleOne> yeah?
[12:39] <IdleOne> I have seen it before
[12:39] <Tm_T> it's not very friendly
[12:39] <bazhang> thought he was supposed to change it
[12:39] <bazhang> far from it
[12:40] <IdleOne> oh I don't know
[12:40] <IdleOne> I find it kind of amusing in a dark humor sort of way
[12:40] <IdleOne> agree that it is not appropriate.
[12:41] <IdleOne> who did you mark in bt?
[12:41] <bazhang> wasabeh
[12:41] <IdleOne> ahh
[12:42] <IdleOne> ok explain what that means exactly marking?
[12:42] <bazhang> [oCean_] (~Alex@unaffiliated/ocean/x-5251811): Alex is the nasty quit message in -ot
[12:42] <bazhang> its @mark #channel nick comment
[12:43] <nhandler> IdleOne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler/OperatorGuide#Adding%20marks
[12:43] <IdleOne> thank you
[12:44] <IdleOne> interesting
[12:45] <IdleOne> so later on if you do a @bansearch wasabeh that mark will show up
[12:45] <bazhang> if he's online
[12:48] <IdleOne> ok so how is a @mark useful?
[12:49] <IdleOne> does the bot msg the person who set the mark when that user/nick comes back online?
[12:49] <Tm_T> IdleOne: we can mark someones misbehaviour when it's not warranted a ban yet
[12:49] <elky> it puts stuff in the bantracker so that we can check when someone's tripping our trolldar
[12:50] <IdleOne> ok I see, so when we get that "This person is a troll" feeling we can go look at bt
[12:50] <bazhang> some clients have that function independent of the bantracker
[12:50] <bazhang> iirc Konversation did
[12:50] <IdleOne> like a blacklist?
[12:50] <IdleOne> umm watchlist
[12:56] <elky> More like keeping score.
[12:56] <bazhang> any thoughts on banforwarding ocean_ here to change the quit message?
[12:56] <IdleOne> I used to have a really awesome op script back in the day on mirc :/
[12:56] <Tm_T> bazhang: I'd say yes
[12:57] <IdleOne> bazhang: can we really start dictating what people can/can't have has a quit message?
[12:57] <IdleOne> I mean I understand his quit is not nice but it isn't vulgar in any way
[12:57] <IdleOne> s/has/as
[12:58] <bazhang> IdleOne, that one is all about rape. so I'd say it goes against the guidelines, coc, at the very least
[12:58] <IdleOne> ok
[12:58] <IdleOne> I did not even think of it on those terms
[12:58] <IdleOne> :/
[12:58] <Pici> me either :/
[12:58] <elky> the chloroform one?
[12:58] <IdleOne> yeah
[12:58] <bazhang> yep
[12:59] <elky> i get the feeling it's a bitchx one, i could be wrong.
[12:59] <Tm_T> doesn't matter
[12:59] <elky> yeah, but lots of folks use it not knowing it has stuff that awful in it
[13:00] <IdleOne> bitchx had/has some of the worst quit msg's ever
[13:00] <Tm_T> it's default is "I'm too lame to read manual" or something like that, right?
[13:00] <elky> yeah
[13:00] <elky> it randomises by default
[13:00] <IdleOne> yup
[13:00] <elky> oh, the name, yes
[13:01] <Pici> My logs suggest that its not a bitchx quitmsg.
[13:01] <Tm_T> ah, that one
[13:01] <Pici> Unless bitchx's rng is completely broken.
[13:01] <elky> fair enough
[13:02] <Tm_T> but that also doesn't matter, it's inapropriate, whatever the reason off its existance is
[13:02] <Pici> For the record, I personally don't have an issue with it.
[13:03] <Tm_T> I don't like it, and as bazhang noted it suggests something very bad things
[13:03] <elky> Tm_T, it's not about excusing it, it's about approaching the user in a productive manner
[13:03] <Pici> Thats fine, no one said that we all always have to agree.
[13:03] <Tm_T> elky: ah, true
[13:03] <IdleOne> Think about it for a second, would a rapist ask that sort of question?
[13:03] <bazhang> just a suggestion the ops in that channel can do as they see fit.
[13:03] <elky> going "you think rape is funny!" is different to "are you aware that..."
[13:03] <Tm_T> Pici: no, we all have to agree with me (;
[13:04] <elky> IdleOne, yes.
[13:04] <IdleOne> elky: ok. I am going to differ to your judgement on this
[13:04] <elky> IdleOne, you seem to have a fairly narrow definition of 'rapist'
[13:04] <Tm_T> elky: in either case, I would start with the latter
[13:04] <Pici> Tm_T: If you'd like to take them aside, go ahead.
[13:05] <IdleOne> elky: I am not trying to defend the quit message. I just did not think of it in that way until bazhang said it.
[13:05] <Tm_T> Pici: I'm not op there
[13:05] <Pici> o
 Thats fine, no one said that we all always have to agree. <-- actually, i'm pretty sure we're not actually /allowed/ to all agree.
[13:06] <IdleOne> heh
[13:06] <elky> it becomes a conspiracy or something when we do.
[14:00] <eagles0513875> afternoong my fellow ubuntu users
[14:00] <bazhang> hi eagles0513875
[14:00] <eagles0513875> is there any chance i can get my ban on kubuntu-devel lifted as i need to talk to the devs urgently to some serious installation issues i have been having with lucid
[14:01] <eagles0513875> ?
[14:03] <topyli> eagles0513875, installation issues sound more like something you should either get help for in #kubuntu, or report bugs on launchpad
[14:03] <eagles0513875> topyli: i have been trying to get help in kubuntu but from what im seeing or have seen in there is that nobody seems to be having my issues im still trying to trouble shoot the exact caus of the problem
[14:04] <IdleOne> eagles0513875: try #ubuntu
[14:04] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:05] <eagles0513875> IdleOne: so there is no chance getting my kubuntu-devel ban lifted as it has been a number of years since that was put in place
[14:06] <bazhang> eagles0513875, doubtful at this point
[14:06] <eagles0513875> why though :(
[14:06] <eagles0513875> that ban was when i was first starting out using kubuntu and i was eager to help out and was still learning
[14:06] <IdleOne> eagles0513875: if it has been there for that long I don't see it being lifted
[14:06] <eagles0513875> well i had another one for motu which was lifted
[14:08] <eagles0513875> can i ask you guys a kinda offtopic question
[14:08] <eagles0513875> are there daily snapshots of lucid?
[14:08] <IdleOne> ask
[14:08] <IdleOne> lucid is released
[14:08] <bazhang> eagles0513875, how about in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[14:08] <IdleOne> if there is nothing else. Please don't idle here
[14:09] <eagles0513875> ok thanks guys :( /part
[14:09] <bazhang> Jobob is randomly joining and spamming then quitting #xubuntu , #ubuntu , and now #kubuntu
[14:14] <funkyHat> I just had a silly idea for an extra mode that an ircd could have -- like +q but the user can't see they have been muted
[14:14] <funkyHat> Could be useful for some trolls ⡈D
[14:15] <Pici> The heck?  jobob tried to DCC me his kubuntu iso
[14:15] <IdleOne> lol
[14:15] <funkyHat> ⢁|
[14:15] <IdleOne> funkyHat: I don't understand why +q is shown
[14:16] <funkyHat> I don't think changing q to be stealth would be a good move
[14:20] <funkyHat> MenZa: the uptime line on the dahouse stats page makes no sense ⢁|
[14:20] <funkyHat> Oops, wrong channel
[14:48] <alexfpms> hi, how can i hide my ip ?
[14:48] <bazhang> !cloak
[14:49] <alexfpms> yes
[14:49] <bazhang> alexfpms, /join #freenode for help
[14:49] <alexfpms> ok
[14:50] <alexfpms>  /join #freenode
[14:50] <bazhang> without the space
[14:51] <alexfpms> sorry for copy/paste
[14:53] <bazhang> alexfpms, please dont idle here if there is nothing further, thanks
[15:17] <Pici> I know I've mentioned that particular quiet to the -kernel guys before.
[15:23] <MenZa> funkyHat: inorite
[15:29] <Pici> I'm extracting the current banlist and comparing it to what we have in the bantracker.  We have a lot of old stuff in there.
[15:35] <h00k> in the current banlist?
[15:38] <Pici> in #ubuntu
[15:40] <h00k> right, gotcha
[16:07] <bazhang> rgreening, hi
[16:07] <rgreening> hey
[16:08] <bazhang> heh
[16:09] <rgreening> alrighty then... thanks jussi
[16:49] <bazhang> be aware that prebenr was trolling in #xubuntu earlier
[17:37] <persia> There's a query about +1 in -bugs.  I suspect it's independent, but I've advised folks to watch https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick to see when it's not in "Pre-release Freeze".
[17:45]  * mneptok thunders past
[17:47] <jussi> persia: thats about right
[17:48] <persia> That's what I figured, and that it would save folks poking other folks, but that then makes it important that the other folks watch the same thing :)
[17:49] <jussi> :)
[20:04]  * genii slides Pici a yummy cookie
[20:19] <genii> Man. Every time I get back to my computer today there were ops calls.
[22:04] <h00k> jpds: you're quick.
[22:05] <jpds> h00k: Yes.
[23:09] <Bcell> i demand you unban me from ubuntu or i will develop antibodies
[23:16] <jpds> Hmm, antibodies.
[23:17] <persia> Heh.  encourage development by increasing bans: it's a new incentive model :)
[23:18] <jpds> persia: We /must/ change our development model around it.
[23:19] <persia> Dunno.  We'd have to get more IRC ops to maintain bans on everyone we wanted to develop stuff.


[06:01] -S0LaRlMp:#ubuntu-toolchain- New game started, http://sre.servegame.com  : This is a webgame based on SOLAR REALMS ELITE, a famous BBS game back in 1992 (Earth2025/BRE fans are welcome)
[09:50] <dpm> I'm compiling a program where libtool is invoked with the -LNONE option from the makefile. Well, my version of libtool does not seem to like that, and the problem disappears when I manually change LDFLAGS = -LNONE to LDFLAGS =. My question is: was this NONE keyword maybe supported by an older version of libtool and was dropped in the newer version, or is there something wrong with the makefile?