[11:03] <thorwil> only a few days actually using lucid and i already hate the downloads complete notification bubbles :/
[13:06]  * mpt is momentarily disoriented by how bad Docky's Web presence is
[13:07] <mpt> There's no screenshot in USC, and the "Web site" link goes to a Launchpad project page that has its own "Web site" link that goes to a page that's completely blank except for the word "Wiki" which is linked to a wiki page that doesn't have any screenshots either
[13:08] <mpt> I guess I should be complaining in #docky instead
[13:13] <thorwil> mpt: maybe that structure is secret hint for some game by Trent Reznor
[13:14] <mpt> ok, the wiki page does have one screenshot, I was using the wrong browser
[14:29] <njpatel> kamstrup, velkommen
[14:29] <kamstrup> njpatel, ahoy!
[14:31] <kamstrup> sjokkis, hi!
[14:31] <sjokkis> hi
[14:32] <sjokkis> kamstrup: if you're targeting for next april (or is it march?), i'd suggest looking into libfolks
[14:32] <sjokkis> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Folks
[14:32] <sjokkis> still quite immature, but the guy behind it is solid, so i think it's gonna pan out
[14:33] <kamstrup> sjokkis, njpatel is the supreme ruler on the technical side of Unity stuff and djsiegel is the design ninja :-) but you are most welcome to talk to me as well :-)
[14:33] <sjokkis> njpatel...i've seen that name elsewhere
[14:33] <kamstrup> sjokkis, Unity is for 10/10
[14:33] <sjokkis> oh yeah, he's in #gnome-shell
[14:33] <sjokkis> kamstrup: i meant the people place, you mentioned
[14:33]  * njpatel was thinking maybe from AWN
[14:33] <sjokkis> you said maverick+1, right?
[14:33] <njpatel> :)
[14:33] <kamstrup> sjokkis, yeah njpatel is everywhere ;-)
[14:34] <njpatel> everywhere and nowhere, all at once
[14:34] <kamstrup> njpatel, that's almost kinda Zen :-)
[14:34] <njpatel> sjokkis, kamstrup said you might be interested in building a people-place?
[14:34] <sjokkis> i don't know if i have the skillset to take charge of it, but i'd certainly be interested in helping out
[14:35] <sjokkis> and i have a lot of free time this summer
[14:35] <kamstrup> njpatel, I told sjokkis that we don't have the final architecture fully nailed down at this point
[14:35] <kamstrup> (but that we are very close)
[14:37] <njpatel> sjokkis, Awesome, as kamstrup said, we're just testing a few ideas out but will hopefully have a bedded-down arch. quickly after alpha 2
[14:38] <sjokkis> so in about a month?
[14:38] <njpatel> yeah 3-4 weeks, just because we're trying some interesting ideas and need to make sure they work :)
[14:38] <sjokkis> sure
[14:39] <njpatel> sjokkis, skillset wise, kamstrup  is trying hard to make sure that we have a clean Vala API, with wrappers for the more complex bits of dbus-bits
[14:39] <sjokkis> so, we're looking at aggregating users from various sources, into meta-contacts, and presenting them to the user, right?
[14:40] <njpatel> I guess so, djsiegel1 may have some ideas about that
[14:40] <sjokkis> djsiegel1: around?
[14:41] <sjokkis> njpatel: have you looked at the (afaik rejected) design proposal on this for gnome-shell?
[14:41] <njpatel> sjokkis, people stuff? Nope, do you have a link?
[14:41] <sjokkis> looking for it now
[14:44] <sjokkis> njpatel: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/DesignerPlayground/PeopleOverlay?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=gnome-shell-people-overlay-mockup.png
[14:47] <njpatel> sjokkis, ah, okay
[14:49] <njpatel> sjokkis, So, the way places work is that you, over dbus, hand a model of data and tell us how to render that information. For this release, we were planning to support one main way of rendering (due to other work) and then support custom renderers from M+1. However I think we may able to 'bootstrap' the custom renderer stuff and maybe people-place can be the guinea pig for that :)
[14:51] <sjokkis> njpatel: do you have an API for that?
[14:56] <njpatel> sjokkis, for custom renderers?
[14:56] <njpatel> sjokkis, not as yet, it's something which we were just discussing. It would have to be a vala module that implements some interface, the rest being in Clutter to actually draw stuff
[15:06] <sjokkis> njpatel: for sending data to unity over dbus
[15:06] <njpatel> sjokkis, that's what we're working on now
[15:06] <sjokkis> would i have to use a custom renderer, though?
[15:06] <njpatel> I think so, the default one wouldn't fit for showing extra information (but would be great for the initial results)
[15:07] <njpatel> The API itself will be very model-like, so your just adding/remove rows depending on the search string
[15:08] <sjokkis> do you have an API draft i could look at?
[15:16] <sjokkis> njpatel: ^
[15:18] <njpatel> sjokkis, not at the moment, but can ping you when we do
[15:18] <njpatel> still in the process of tying things together
[18:24] <ScottK> tedg: I have to confess a complete lack of understanding for your enthusiasm for CSD and I don't see anyone outside Canonical (in this discussion) sharing it.
[18:25] <tedg> ScottK, well, most people are simply tired of this discussion :)
[18:25] <ScottK> tedg: If you all are not interested in alternatives to CSD, then we can stop.
[18:25] <tedg> ScottK, I think it simply comes down to having two people draw every window is a little silly, and it creates a bunch of inconsistencies.  Polishing them is just that, it's not fixing them.
[18:26] <ScottK> tedg: So you think all the negatives of CSD are fine?
[18:26] <ScottK> Good luck.
[18:26] <tedg> Ah, okay.
[18:29] <seb128> hey tedg
[18:29] <seb128> qense, hey
[18:29] <tedg> Evening seb128
[18:30] <qense> seb128: good evening
[18:30] <seb128> qense, tedg: did one of you try to work with the update gtk to fix the bluetooth issue?
[18:30] <seb128> updated
[18:30] <seb128> I would like to see if this gtk update should go to lucid or not
[18:30] <seb128> I've it ready but I don't want to stale
[18:30] <qense> seb128: I didn't.
[18:31] <seb128> tedg, you probably have a better understanding of the change and issue than me
[18:31] <qense> seb128: I am quite busy right now, but maybe tedg has some spare time? :)
[18:31] <seb128> tedg, should some indicator* component listen to a new signal?
[18:32] <tedg> seb128, I don't believe so.  Though, I don't have bluetooth -- so I'm mostly debugging from e-mails/bugs.
[18:32] <qense> but that would mean the current GTK+ change doesn't fix this issue.
[18:32] <seb128> tedg, so you don't have an understanding of the issue? do you know who has?
[18:33] <seb128> well bratsche said the gtk change fixes the issue but the indicator still doesn't work
[18:33] <seb128> we might need some extra indicator changes though
[18:33] <tedg> seb128, Ah, okay.  I hadn't got any information on whether the GTK fix had worked or not.
[18:34] <bratsche> The bluetooth thing?
[18:34] <qense> yeah!
[18:34] <seb128> well, how do you determine if it worked? it doesn't fix the indicator
[18:34] <seb128> bratsche, yes
[18:34] <bratsche> I think whoever was working on the patch connected to an "add" signal in the patch, and that needs to be changed to "child-added" or whatever I named this signal.
[18:34] <bratsche> Then I think it should work.
[18:34] <tedg> Ah, okay.
[18:35] <tedg> seb128, So, yes, an indicator fix is needed :)
[18:35] <tedg> bratsche, That should be in libappindicator, correct?
[18:35] <bratsche> I don't remember if his code was for libappindicator or for bluetooth now.
[18:36] <seb128> tedg, ok, can you try to put that on your friday todolist?
[18:36] <seb128> tedg, ie the bug fix day ;-)
[18:36] <tedg> seb128, Yup, for sure.  I also want to look at the Python one.  I'm hoping we can fix both.
[18:36] <seb128> tedg, thanks!
[18:37] <seb128> tedg, the updated gtk is in the ubuntu-desktop ppa if you need it
[18:37] <seb128> tedg, lucid build
[18:37] <tedg> seb128, Ah, cool, thanks!
[18:37] <seb128> tedg, the change is also in maverick for a few days
[18:37] <seb128> tedg, thank *you* ;-) and thanks bratsche of courses!
[18:39] <qense> So it's now all set to be fixed properly at last? Yay!


[01:59] <caodepalha> hi everyone1 is anyone using the gnome desktop enviroment with ubuntustudio?
[02:00] <holstein> no.. but there should be no issues with it caodepalha
[02:00] <holstein> what would i do? get minimal, or main ubuntu.. get gnome running.. add what meta-packages or just plain audio/video packages i want
[02:00] <holstein> !mini
[02:02] <caodepalha> so it is safe to install it in ubuntustudio then'
[02:02] <caodepalha> ?
[02:02] <holstein> safe?
[02:02] <holstein> caodepalha: as i said, it should work fine.. there is nothing that will "break", AFAIK
[02:02] <caodepalha> thank you :)
[02:02] <holstein> caodepalha: i also explained how i personally would go about doing it
[02:03] <holstein> but, if you just want to install ubuntustudio and add gnome, you should be able to keep XFCE and ubuntustudio-desktop, and just choose gnome at login.. unless you switch to gdm, then, it'll look different there as well
[02:04] <holstein> caodepalha: you will want to be cautious about adding PPA's..
[02:06] <caodepalha> i'm installing it via terminal
[02:06] <holstein> caodepalha: its pretty irrelevant the method by which you obtain the packages.. but, if you use an unsupported source, such as PPA, you'll want to be cautious
[02:07] <caodepalha> ok why?
[02:08] <holstein> !ppa
[02:08] <holstein> ^^
[02:08] <caodepalha> thanks!
[02:08] <holstein> caodepalha: since you referenced "safe" above
[02:14] <OvenWerk1> holstein: So far as I know, The only thing to watch for is that the machine can run The gnome session at all.
[02:14] <holstein> OvenWerk1: thats true
[02:14] <OvenWerk1> Might be best to at least try the ubuntugnome ISO live first
[02:14] <holstein> i should have said, its a 3d desktop.. i assumed that was known..
[02:15] <holstein> and shouldnt have
[02:15] <OvenWerk1> So long as the DE works on the hardware there is no problem with any of the studio SW, zequence runs the debian version.\
[10:18] <maxvaliant> ciao a tutti sono nuovo di linux, come posso installare office?
[10:20] <smartboyhw> maxvaliant, ?
[10:20] <smartboyhw> !it | maxvaliant
[10:22] <maxvaliant> ok grazie e....ciao
[15:16] <kiki__> hi
[15:19] <kiki__> i have a small problem. when not using jack, if i play a game trough wine, and i have skype making a call, the audio is "scratchy" how can i fix it?
[17:24] <Sakrecoer> hi all! :)
[17:24] <studio-user321> Hi
[17:25] <Sakrecoer> recently, many freinds have come to see me and ask to install ubuntustudio on their machines...
 and thn u did help!
[17:28] <Sakrecoer> most of them come and see me with older machines. because they want to try first... before they sort of "convert" on their production machines ....  i am thinking about having a partition on my HD, where i can boot up a system that would deliver installations to other machines thru LAN-boot.
[17:28] <Sakrecoer> could any one here point me to a how-to set up something like that?
[17:30] <Sakrecoer> LAN-boot installation seems to be pretty faster than USB. Not to mention that on some older machines LAN is the easiest way to get anythin on there. (in example when bios can't boot on USB, or no floppy disks available etc)
[17:31] <studio-user321> Hi Sakrecoer i am new to linux! and now i am installing to ubuntu studio to my laptop toshiba
[17:33] <studio-user321> i do not know more about ubuntu but i think so that you can install ubuntu from LAN.
[17:42] <Sakrecoer> thanks for answering studio-user321 :) yes i'm 98% sure it's possible with all ubuntu distro... i'm just having a hard time finding out how to proceed... so thought i might check here if anyone had a link to detailed documentation
[17:43] <OvenWerk1> Sakrecoer: hang around till zequence gets home and ask again
[17:43] <OvenWerk1> I think he has better experience than most
 You can try googling!
[17:48] <Sakrecoer> thanks guys! hehe studio-user321: you are so right! even thou i prefer searching the internet, over googling it <3 i have searched for it, but not really found the answers i need, or perhaps just not the ones i expect??... thanks alot anyways! :)
[17:49] <studio-user321> You're welcome.
[18:32] <zequence> Sakrecoer: It's possible to install both from network and from a partition on the HD
[18:33] <zequence> In the first case you need to set up a server which has the proper installation files in it. The Debian wiki has some docs on different way to achieve that
[18:33] <zequence> The second case means you need to set up GRUB to boot an installer on the HD
[18:33] <zequence> Sakrecoer: Did you try installing from a usb stick?
[18:33] <Sakrecoer> Hi zequence! good to read you!
[18:34] <Sakrecoer> it's the network case i am interested in :)
[18:34] <Sakrecoer> yes yes! every works fine!
[18:34] <zequence> I've only done it once myself
[18:34] <zequence> So, I don't remember the details
[18:34] <Sakrecoer> i just need to boot from LAN from a machine that has no floppy, no CD-rom and no bootable usb...
[18:34] <zequence> You could also put the stuff on the HD. That's the easiest way
[18:35] <Sakrecoer> oh really...?
[18:35] <zequence> There are two variants. One where you install over the entire HD. And one where you don't install over the installers partition
[18:35] <Sakrecoer> but then, do i transfer it to the target machine via LAN?
[18:36] <Sakrecoer> or do you mean, like, physicaly mounting the disk in the target machine?
[18:36] <zequence> The target machine needs to have GRUB already
[18:36] <Sakrecoer> even if i boot it over LAN?
[18:36] <zequence> You download the right files, and manually set GRUB to boot from it
[18:36] <zequence> You don't use LAn
[18:36] <zequence> just one machine
[18:36] <zequence> Short of time, but I'll be back
[18:37] <Sakrecoer> yes, but i don't want to have to physicaly unmount the HD and then put it back in the target machine...
[18:37] <Sakrecoer> no worries!
[18:37] <Sakrecoer> i'll keep you posted if i find something on my own ;)
[18:38] <Sakrecoer> i need to set up that server for my purpose...
[18:45] <Sakrecoer> thanks zequence! i was stuck on the word LAN....
[18:45] <Sakrecoer> "network boot" got me to this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[18:45] <Sakrecoer> which is exactly what i need!
[20:10] <studio-user143> hello . may i get some help please
[20:12] <OvenWerk1>   If you report your problem, perhaps the most qualified person will resond when they see it :)
[20:14] <studio-user143> in fact , i setup ubuntu studio r8 nww
[20:14] <studio-user143> but 2 h left and it hasn't finish yet
[20:16] <OvenWerk1> Did you set it to download updates as it installs? Is there network activity?\
[20:16] <studio-user143> now it's saying >>>> installing system >>> since 15 min till nw
[20:17] <studio-user143> processing triggers for update notifier
[20:17] <OvenWerk1> Ok, the thing to remember is that studio is more than twice the size of the next biggest ISO
[20:18] <studio-user143> u mean to let it take it's time .. there is no problem r8 ?
[20:19] <OvenWerk1> So long as there is activity it should be ok.
[20:20] <studio-user143> ancyanother thing appeared it says : error power management descrepancy
[20:20] <OvenWerk1> When I was testing, I always installed from the live session so I could monitor /var/log/syslog
[20:21] <OvenWerk1>  Has the installer stopped though?
[20:21] <studio-user143> no
[20:21] <OvenWerk1>  Did you get a dialog box?
[20:21] <studio-user143> no no just appeard in the black area below the slideshow
[20:22] <OvenWerk1> Could be a hardware thing where the system doesn't quite know what to do with your HW
[20:23] <studio-user143> i wanna let you knw that i own HP probook which came with  ubuntu . it supports ubuntu how could it be ? won't the laptop work well so ?
[20:23] <OvenWerk1> It may not be able to enter a sleep mode or some such.
[20:24] <OvenWerk1> I can't answer that. I would assume it came with vanilla or ubuntu desktop?
[20:24] <OvenWerk1> It may be an xfce thing.
[20:25] <studio-user143> it's the power management >> the sticker on my laptop says : SUSE Linux enterprise & ubuntu desktop 11
[20:26] <OvenWerk1> I would wait till install is complete and see what works or doesn't.
[20:26] <studio-user143> no changes in the activity area it stopped viewing the error
[20:27] <OvenWerk1> OK is there hd activity or network activity?
[20:28] <OvenWerk1> Are you connected via wireless?
[20:28]  * OvenWerk1 guesses your network is fine as you are talking here..\
[20:28] <studio-user143> yes i talk to u using the laptop r8 nw >>> hd : i don't know >>>> i use wired connection
[20:33] <studio-user143> !
[20:38] <studio-user143> i am here amigo
[20:40] <OvenWerk1> S where are things now?
[20:41] <studio-user143> the same
[20:41] <studio-user143> showing the error
[20:42] <OvenWerk1> Did you check your downloaded ISO against the checksum by chance?
[20:42] <studio-user143> i chose the check desk this morning and told me it's ok >> n errors
[20:43] <OvenWerk1> good
[20:44] <studio-user143> no it isn't good > the installation made me crazy hhhhhh > i really don't know what to do
[20:49] <OvenWerk1> Ya, it is hard to know. I would try again while watching the log. It may give you more info.
[20:49] <OvenWerk1> If you boot to the live session and open a terminal
[20:50] <OvenWerk1>  you can type in:
[20:50] <OvenWerk1> less /var/log/syslog
[20:50] <studio-user143> where should i type this log please
[20:50] <OvenWerk1> when it comes up enter a F (yes capital) and it will follow the end of the logfile
[20:51] <OvenWerk1> In the menu there is a terminal in the first 4 items at the top (can't remomer which right now)
[20:52] <OvenWerk1> you should be able to look at that log now I guess.
[20:53] <OvenWerk1> If you start less /var/log/syslog and then type > it will go to the end and you can page up to see if there are any helpful entries
[20:53] <studio-user143> there is nothing in the top of the screen > just i can see the slide show & the activity area > nothing more is in front of me
[20:54] <studio-user143> with windows language >>> the is no task bar
[20:57] <OvenWerk1> Ok, I am wondering how you managed to start the chat, must be a link from the slide show then.
[20:57] <studio-user143> aha u r r8
[20:58] <OvenWerk1> So you chose install from the boot screen then, ok
[20:59] <OvenWerk1> Easiest to try again but choose the try ubuntustudio option at boot .. the top choice
[20:59] <OvenWerk1> It leaves you with more options
[21:01] <studio-user143> ok . you mean exit > shut down the laptop forcely >> damage the HHD >>> wait 2 more hours >>>> face the same error >>>> u mean all of this r8 >
[21:03] <OvenWerk1> ctrl/alt/F1 should give you a prompt sudo shutdown
[21:04] <OvenWerk1> I'm not there, it is hard to know what questions to ask.
[21:04] <studio-user143> give me an instructions to the best installation way
[21:05] <studio-user143> i have the DVD and the laptop nw what ?
[21:05] <studio-user143> believe it or not
[21:05] <studio-user143> a dialoge box appeared
[21:05] <studio-user143> installation complete
[21:05] <OvenWerk1> It should let you reboot then
[21:06] <studio-user143> if this successsed i will make a post for u on my page on FB >>> i am the 3rd DJ in egypt by the way
[21:06] <OvenWerk1> I normally start the install and walk away
[21:06] <OvenWerk1> video or audio only?
[21:07] <studio-user143> audio
[21:07] <OvenWerk1> mixxx or idjc?
[21:07] <studio-user143> i work for MANOVIN records & Pause studios
[21:07] <OvenWerk1> Or something lese?
[21:07] <studio-user143> i use traktor >>> using wine
[21:07] <OvenWerk1> Ok.
[21:07] <studio-user143> i can't wait
[21:08] <studio-user143> i will reboot
[21:08] <studio-user143> bb
[21:08] <OvenWerk1> ok C U in a bit
[21:35] <HouseLegend> Hello can anyone help me set up 5.1 in ubuntu 13.04 ?
[21:35] <HouseLegend> i have trouble
[21:42] <OvenWerk1> I think, in the menu in multi-media playback there is the pulse audio volume control.
[21:43] <OvenWerk1> on the config tab (last one) there should be a pull down for your card. (internal I would guess)
[21:45] <OvenWerk1> It defaults to stereo, change it to 5.1. If it is like mine, I think you have to have something plugged into it first so the system knows you have enough outputs.
[21:45] <OvenWerk1> plug sensing and all that.
[22:09] <HouseLegend> Anyone can help me out with 5.1 surround in ubuntu 13.04 ?
[22:13] <OvenWerk1>  I think, in the menu in multi-media playback there is the
[22:13] <OvenWerk1>                    pulse audio volume control.
[22:13] <OvenWerk1> 14:43 -!- wilee-nilee [~Carnac@unaffiliated/fyodorovna] has joined #ubuntustudio
[22:13] <OvenWerk1> 14:43 < OvenWerk1> on the config tab (last one) there should be a pull down for
[22:13] <OvenWerk1>                    your card. (internal I would guess)
[22:13] <OvenWerk1> 14:45 < OvenWerk1> It defaults to stereo, change it to 5.1. If it is like mine,
[22:13] <OvenWerk1>                    I think you have to have something plugged into it first so
[22:13] <OvenWerk1>                    the system knows you have enough outputs.
[22:13] <OvenWerk1> 14:45 < OvenWerk1> plug sensing and all that.
[22:13] <OvenWerk1> HouseLegend: Have you tried that ^^^
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> OvenWerk1, Why are you posting what is already available.
[22:23] <HouseLegend> multi-medi aplayback ?
[22:24] <HouseLegend> I cant find that
[22:24] <HouseLegend> OvenWerk1, if you have a sec to help me out


[01:27] <mcr_> Is there anyone alive here?
[06:40] <moquist> anybody here to answer questions about rosetta?
[09:58] <lifeless> uhm, why is bug 163 different to task 163 ?!?
[01:51] <abelli> Kinnison: ping
[01:51] <abelli> daf: ping
[01:53] <daf> abelli: pong
[01:53] <Kinnison> abelli: pong
[01:54] <abelli> daf: do you remember when... that thing on translation?
[01:55] <daf> hmm, I think so
[01:55] <abelli> Kinnison: can you re tell me that arm motherboards manufacturer's website?
[01:55] <abelli> daf: :)=
[01:56] <abelli> daf: what should we do?
[01:56] <Kinnison> abelli: http://www.simtec.co.uk/
[01:56] <abelli> Kinnison: have i ever told u i love u :)
[01:58] <Kinnison> abelli: not before now; no
[01:58] <abelli> :)
[02:01] <daf> abelli: you know, I really don't know
[02:03] <daf> abelli: it's been a while since I read your mail, and now is a really busy time for me
[02:04] <daf> and I'm not really sure what you need from me
[02:04] <abelli> daf: mmm.. right..
[02:05] <abelli> im not even sure what should i expect from you...
[02:05] <abelli> i was just following sabdfl's "directives".
[02:06] <abelli> have a good time with you code :)
[02:06] <abelli> ciao
[02:07] <daf> ciao
[09:03] <fimp_> hi
[09:04] <fimp_> does anyone know anything about this? https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/188
[09:06] <fimp_> The entire purpose of rosetta is kind of destroyed when you cannot export the po-files anymore :-/
[11:31] <chlunde> Is there a problem with launchpad/registration?  I'm not getting an email.
[11:33] <spiv> chlunde: Use your www.ubuntu.com account, it's the same account.
[11:43] <chlunde> spiv: Thanks, creating an account there worked.
[11:52] <chlunde> "A system error occured"


[01:43] <TheMuso> /
[14:21] <ara> cjwatson, hello
[14:22] <cjwatson> hi
[14:25] <ara> cjwatson, during the revision of the ISO testing testcases at UDS (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-maverick-iso-testcases-review) we discussed to add a new testcase for broken internet
[14:25] <ara> cjwatson, was it you who asked for it?
[14:25] <cjwatson> I don't *think* so although I'm not certain
[14:26] <ara> cjwatson, I was about to add it, but I am not sure what the person who requested it was looking for
[14:27] <cjwatson> might've been ev
[14:29] <ev> indeed, though I don't recall for certain whether or not it was me
[14:30] <ev> either way, the install should complete successfully in that case, correctly prompting the user post-install for language pack installation (assuming they haven't selected EN)
[14:42] <ara> ev, but if the internet broke during lang-pack installation?
[15:26] <ev> ara: indeed, it should gracefully handle that case by still showing the incomplete language support message
[15:26] <ara> ev, OK, thanks
[20:34] <kirkland> cjwatson: when using debootstrap, are recommends installed?  if so, how do I add --no-install-recommends ?
[20:39] <cjwatson> they aren't
[20:39] <cjwatson> kirkland: ^-
[20:39] <kirkland> cjwatson: thanks
[21:41] <mloop> Hello
[21:42] <mloop> I really need some help with Ubuntu and networking, can anyone please answer some questions?
[21:49] <EtienneG> is there any good doc on partman-crypto?


[00:00] <joaopinto> is there a reason for a deboostrap to take 5x more time on lucid than it did on karmic ? mostly on the unpacking phase
[00:00] <bdrung> bryceh: yes, ums would be only a workaround.
[00:10] <bdrung> Keybuk: regarding bug #507613: i am not satisfied with the solution. why can't mountall mount the partition once the network is up? udev should help there.
[00:11] <bdrung> Keybuk: the second issue: pressing S or M does not have any effect.
[00:13] <Keybuk> oh sorry
[00:13] <Keybuk> I appear to have confused two bugs
[00:15] <Keybuk> bdrung: some poor sod got told to add _netdev to their /home I think
[00:16] <bdrung> Keybuk: i forced a reboot and something strange happend: first it look like it hang. one minute later the prompt asking whether you'd like to continue or drop to a shell appears. i pressed S and M. then the boot proceeds and the desktop appears with a mounted sshfs partition.
[00:17] <Keybuk> ?
[00:17] <Keybuk> if you have anything to add to the bug, please add information there
[00:18] <bdrung> something strange goes on there. i will try to reproduce the behavior
[00:20] <bryceh> pitti, slangasek, kees: I've added feedback from the three of you to the rootless-x blueprint page:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Rootless - it'll need further massaging to unify all the ideas, but that can be done post-uds.
[00:20] <bryceh> meanwhile feel free to elaborate on ideas further on that page
[00:21] <bryceh> not even really sure if we should still move forward with rootless-x for MM but if we do, sounds like there'll be a fair bit of work to do
[00:21] <bryceh> since 3 of the 4 of us will be off on other assignments, I phear for kees and raof ;-)
[00:22] <bdrung> Keybuk: adding _netdev worked.
[00:22] <Keybuk> bdrung: \o/
[00:22] <Keybuk> ok, mount man page says you had to have that
[00:22] <Keybuk> since fuse doesn't imply network
[00:24] <bdrung> Keybuk: since which release does this option exist?
[00:25] <Keybuk> err
[00:25] <Keybuk> sometime in the 1940s I think
[00:25] <Keybuk> certainly pre-Ubuntu
[00:25] <slangasek> kenvandine: um... ping
[00:25] <bdrung> Keybuk: :D
[00:26] <slangasek> kenvandine: the latest ubuntuone-client upload *still* has the string change in ubuntuone-preferences
[00:26] <bdrung> Keybuk: thanks for your help
[00:28] <YokoZar> cjwatson: I just removed libv4l from ia32-libs, you added it a long time ago, but we have lib32v4l now
[00:32] <bdrung> Keybuk: i updated the ubuntuuser wiki to avoid other user to have the same problem
[00:33] <Keybuk> schweet
[00:35] <bdrung> Keybuk: (and for me to not forget this parameter :)
[01:25] <Keybuk> slangasek: I gardened all the mountall bugs
[01:25] <Keybuk> can I have a lollipop?
[01:32] <slangasek> Keybuk: sure!
[01:33] <Keybuk> now to tell evolution I've read all the comments
[01:33] <Keybuk> keithp was showing me "notmuch" yesterday
[01:33] <Keybuk> I have never wanted a piece of software so much
[01:34]  * slangasek grins
[01:40] <psusi> Keybuk, I have marked up a bootchart with the area that appears to have almost no IO for about a second that seems to be caused by reading directory blocks during all of the open() calls by ureadhead for reference at http://imagebin.org/93343,
[01:41] <psusi> Keybuk, I was wondering if it would be possible ot hard link the files in the pack so they can be opend using that name where they all are in one directory
[01:41] <Keybuk> but then the path lookups wouldn't be cached
[01:41] <psusi> what happens if the file has multiple hard links?  does ureadahead go with the one that was used to open it when profiling?
[01:42] <Keybuk> it open()s both
[01:42] <psusi> hrm... good point
[01:42] <Keybuk> but only reads blocks once
[01:42] <Keybuk> there's benefit to getting those directory blocks into the page cache too remember
[01:42] <psusi> true... but you don't want to block waiting for a single 4kb read to do it...
[01:42] <psusi> hrm...
[01:42] <psusi> maybe you could readahead() the directory itself?
[01:43] <Keybuk> maybe, try it
[01:44] <psusi> guess I'll have to take a look at the tracing code now... I assume it was written to specifically filter out directories?
[01:45] <Keybuk> nope
[01:45] <psusi> hrm... it uses the same system blktrace does to trace?  so wouldn't it see the IO to the directories too?
[01:45] <Keybuk> no, it uses ftrace
[01:46] <Keybuk> well, trace_event specifically
[01:46] <Keybuk> I think blktrace uses something lower
[01:46] <Keybuk> though cbw
[01:46] <psusi> yea, it uses debugfs to relay trace events from the kernel
[01:47] <psusi> hrm... so you didn't have to filter out directories then?  so I guess yuod on't get them... hrm... damn..
[01:48] <Keybuk> apps don't tend to open() directories <g>
[01:48] <psusi> ohh, ftrace hooks the system calls of the processes to open()?
[01:48] <psusi> like with an LD_PRELOAD?
[01:49] <psusi> wait... no... hrm...
[02:07] <kenvandine> slangasek, it does?  debian/patches/revert_string_change.patch should be reverting it
[02:07] <slangasek> kenvandine: oh, it's under debian/patches, how quaint ;)
[02:07] <kenvandine> :)
[02:07] <slangasek> kenvandine: right - almost done reviewing, looks good so far
[02:08] <kenvandine> i didn't do it inline... to make it real clear :-D
[02:08] <kenvandine> thx
[02:08] <slangasek> I find this a strange definition of clarity :)
[02:09] <kenvandine> dpm has asked the translators if they will approve it, so they might want to revert... but i doubt it
[02:09] <kenvandine> this late
[02:09] <slangasek> yep
[02:10] <kenvandine> slangasek, well thx... i gotta go get these kids to bed :)
[02:29] <Keybuk> slangasek: I can tell I'm going to get distracted by writing a GTK+ interface to notmouch
[02:29] <Keybuk> notmuch too
[02:29] <slangasek> heh
[02:30] <slangasek> Keybuk: bug #537133> if I fix portmap, is there still an outstanding mountall bug?
[02:30] <Keybuk> slangasek: I'm not 100% sure yet
[02:30] <slangasek> ok
[02:31] <Keybuk> the patch works around the fact he never got SIGCHLD/wait() for the mount pid
[02:31] <Keybuk> which itself is a bit of an alarm
[02:31] <Keybuk> so would like a bit more debugging
[02:31] <Keybuk> need another machine to test NFS roots though, so will have to wait until I'm home
[02:31] <Keybuk> "Hi robbiew, I went to the Apple store and bought a new laptop because I needed a second one to test a bug while stranded in SF, hope that's ok"
[02:34] <akgraner> hi all I updated today and all my social from the start accounts are missing from empathy and gwibber, as if I never set them up and when gwibber trys to open I get more than 10 gwibber windows that open then I close them all and gwibber tried to reopen this time opening 5 gwibber windows  :-(
[02:34] <akgraner> has anyone heard of that happening today?
[02:37] <slangasek> akgraner: no, but there have been two gwibber uploads in the past two days; perhaps a bug report against that package is warranted
[02:39] <mhall> I am working on a kernel module which crashes when I try to load it due to some bug. Unfortunately plymouth on this lucide machine seems to be impossible to uninstall without also having forced uninstallation of mountall which seems dangerous. How can I cripple plymouth and just have a traditional pure ASCII VT with no framebuffer? Right now it prevents seen the crash dump, etc.
[02:39] <mhall> seeing the*
[02:42] <slangasek> mhall: boot without 'splash'
[02:43] <slangasek> not that this disables the framebuffer - plymouth isn't responsible for the framebuffer anyway, that's kernel+udev
[02:44] <mhall> yes but with splash off, the fb driver usually does not load fortunately
[02:44] <slangasek> not true
[02:44] <mhall> was empirically the case in the past on other machines for me at least
[02:44] <mhall> or perhaps it did load, but imperceptibly, and in a way which did not corrupt the dumps
[02:47] <slangasek> Keybuk: what's your availability this evening?  I'm going to put your new mountall ppa upload through its paces, wondering if I should try to get that done before you vanish for the evening
[02:47] <Keybuk> slangasek: I'm going to vanish in 43 minutes
[02:48] <slangasek> ok
[02:48] <slangasek> doubtful I'll have anything meaningful to report by then :)
[02:49] <Keybuk> I'll be back sometime later
[02:49] <Keybuk> unless I end up down the Castro ;)
[02:49] <slangasek> heh
[02:51] <psusi> god damnit... can't call readahead() on a directory fd... think it fails because directories don't get a mapping
[02:52] <mhall> psusi: what about madvise / mmap?
[02:52] <mhall> psusi: i suppose mmapping directories would not work
[02:52] <mhall> that's an annoying problem
[02:52] <psusi> yea, mapping doesn't work and it looks like the implementation of readahead() requires a mapping
[02:53] <mhall> psusi: d'oh
[02:53] <psusi> at least in the pagecache
[02:53] <psusi> and it looks like directories don't get pagecache mappings maybe?  not sure but that's where I see the code path returning EINVAL
[02:54] <mhall> psusi: it seems like the sort of thing which would be important for usenet, mail, etc.
[02:54] <mhall> psusi: typical Linux, implement something nice, but leave half of it totally broken for no clear reason.  :-P
[02:56] <slangasek> mhall: so does booting without 'splash' not let you see the crash dump?
[02:56] <mhall> slangasek: problem is, i removed all instances of splash from /etc/default/grub
[02:56] <mhall> slangasek: yet it keeps getting reintroduced on every update-grub
[02:57] <mhall> slangasek: and it is unclear what thing is reintroducing it... rww was assisting in main #u and was likewise baffled
[02:57] <psusi> read() refusing to work on a directory is fine, as is requiring O_DIRECTORY for open() to work on one ( doesn't seem to actually be required anymore ) but damnit, you should be able to readahead() the thing ;)
[02:57] <slangasek> mhall: it's being reintroduced *to /etc/default/grub*?
[02:57] <mhall> slangasek: reintroduced to the grub.cfg, sorry should have been more precise
[02:59]  * psusi wonders how the hell directories aren't mapped into the page cache... you'd think that would be rather large performance booster
[03:00] <mhall> psusi: i'm kind of horrified to hear it actually
[03:00] <mhall> psusi: perhaps they rely on the inode caching instead?
[03:00] <psusi> you mean dentry? yea, I guess so...
[03:00] <mhall> maybe they do not expect people to low-level hack on the directory FD
[03:01] <mhall> i mean, once you run 'find' on a dir, any operations inside or on the inodes there do go faster
[03:01] <mhall> so something is getting cached
[03:01] <psusi> yea but the kernel has to read the directory to parse the entries... it should just have it mapped in the page cache for easy access and caching....
[03:01] <psusi> well there is the dentry cache
[03:02] <psusi> once you namei() to translate a file name to an inode, that gets cached in the dentry cache
[03:02] <psusi> but you'd thing multiple nameis on files in the same directory would reuse the cached directory block... hrm..
[03:02] <mhall> psusi: perhaps because the pagecache is not a very efficient structure for holding dentries
[03:02] <mhall> psusi: maybe it makes more sense to store them in another way
[03:03] <psusi> well yea, the dentry cache is good, but while adding entries to the dentry cache you have to parse the raw directory... doing that should not require reading the block from disk every time... it HAS to be cached
[03:04] <mhall> but, let's say you read the dir, and push them all to the dentry cache
[03:04] <mhall> seems redundant to store the backing data in page cache eh?
[03:05] <psusi> yes but names only get put in the dentry cache when you try to open them
[03:05] <mhall> hmm
[03:05] <psusi> or stat...
[03:05] <mhall> so the block itself does not get cached anywhere
[03:05] <mhall> that's bad
[03:06] <mhall> so every new dentry from there needs to reread the block
[03:06] <psusi> it must be somewhere, just not in the usual pagecache way....
[03:06] <mhall> *facepalm*
[03:06]  * psusi reads more code
[03:12] <akgraner> slangasek, I'll file a bug just checked with some folks in my LoCo team they are having issues as well with empathy and gwibber - they need to be filed separately right?
[03:13] <slangasek> akgraner: that's best to start with, yes
[03:14] <akgraner> alrighty  - thanks
[03:14] <akgraner> :-)
[06:33] <Bacta> Hello
[08:01] <slangasek> Keybuk: mountall still no worky
[08:49] <slangasek> bryceh: xkeyboard-config> is an assertion that "this is how Windows does it" sufficient for us to change a keyboard layout?  And this layout already has the quotedbl symbol on the 2 key; eliminating the doublelowquotemark entirely means Russian-style quotation marks aren't supported
[08:51] <slangasek> bryceh: (I'm not surprised to be unable to find a description of Kazakh quote styles on the Internets, but the layouts here include "ruskaz" and "kazrus", which I would expect to support standard Russian orthography even if the quotes aren't used in Kazakh - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark,_non-English_usage#Russian.2C_Ukrainian_and_Belarusian)
[08:55] <Bacta> Hello
[08:55] <Bacta> What's a good way to contribute code to Ubuntu?
[08:56] <Bacta> I have comitted some patches before but they weren't directly related to Ubuntu
[08:56] <owen1> dpkg shows  2:7.2.245-2ubuntu2    what does the 2: means?
[08:59] <imbrandon> epoc
[09:00] <imbrandon> 9.5-0ubuntu1 > 9.4-0ubuntu1 but 9.5-0ubuntu1 < 1:9.4-0ubuntu1
[09:00] <imbrandon> owen1: ^^
[09:01] <imbrandon> basicly its used when version numbers get wonky, but its best not to use it at all if possible
[09:07] <owen1> imbrandon: got it. so if i tell someone to install a version of a package, i should also mention those numbers?
[09:13] <imbrandon> no
[09:13] <imbrandon> its only for dpkg
[09:14] <slangasek> not exactly.  apt also uses it.
[09:14] <slangasek> so it depends on how you expect them to install the package
[09:14] <slangasek> if you're specifying a version on the commandline with apt, the epoch must be included in the version number
[09:15] <imbrandon> ahh my mistake, i thought apt ignored it also, well not ignored but would work without
[09:18] <cjwatson> YokoZar: thanks, fine by me
[09:18] <cjwatson> generally if you're describing a version number you should quote the epoch too
[09:19] <cjwatson> it gets left out of filenames to avoid causing problems with certain tools, that's all
[09:19] <cjwatson> but it's still part of the version number
[09:42] <bryceh> slangasek, I didn't really look into it very deeply, if you think it's not right, go ahead and punt out the package.  The patch should go upstream regardless, and if they take it we'll get it eventually.
[09:43] <slangasek> bryceh: the patch may be correct for the default keyboard variant, but I think it'll regress the variants that are meant to support Russian
[09:43] <bryceh> I figured since the guy is a Ubuntu translator for that language and submitted a patch to change it, he knew what he was saying, but perhaps he didn't
[09:44] <slangasek> bouncing the package, then
[09:51] <nigelb> the kazak keyboard quote bug?
[09:52] <slangasek> yes
[09:53] <nigelb> hm, even I was hoping upstream would give us a comment about it
[11:03] <slangasek> tjaalton: the pam-config integration you've proposed adding to sssd has some problems; the maintainer script integration is missing (calling pam-auth-update --package), and the 'password' entries indicate that password changes will not be possible for users with local-only accounts
[11:03] <slangasek> tjaalton: and the 'Priority' field doesn't seem to follow the guidelines in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PAMConfigFrameworkSpec
[11:04] <slangasek> tjaalton: so I'm rejecting the upload; will follow up to the bug report
[11:05] <tjaalton> slangasek: oops
[11:06] <tjaalton> slangasek: if I fix those will you accept it?-)
[11:08] <slangasek> tjaalton: I would at least consider it; though I'm wary of such changes at the last minute, since the last pam config /I/ wrote broke all kinds of things for users that were only caught after upload, and I wrote pam-auth-update :-P
[11:09] <tjaalton> slangasek: ok, I could drop that too
[11:10] <tjaalton> then there would be only real bugfixes in the upload
[11:11] <slangasek> that would be fine
[11:11] <tjaalton> alright, will upload it without the pam-config
[11:18] <matumba> s.
[11:19] <matumba> slangasek, cause you're talking about pam-auth-update: could you check if i filed bug 564842 against the right package?
[11:21] <tjaalton> i'm having weird problems with winbind as well.. I get the krb ticket but still need a kinit to access my kerberized nfsv4 $HOME
[11:33] <aburch> Is there an extra channel for backports?  I was wondering why #550880 was not approved yet given that the dependencies are currently broken.
[12:03]  * antivirtel is back (gone 00:34:03)
[12:08] <stikonas> I've reported bug #565294 about the broken Lithuanian KDE translations.
[12:08] <nigelbabu> !away > antivirtel
[12:10] <ion> Uh. The private message feature is kind of moot if the bot sends a channel message anyway. :-P
[12:11] <nigelbabu> ion, not if the original message is around 4 or 5 lines long
[12:21] <Riddell> stikonas: I've added Ubuntu Translations to that bug report
[12:22] <Riddell> stikonas: dpm is the guy to poke, give him a ping on Monday if you haven't heard by then
[13:04] <tjaalton> slangasek: hmm, looks like on shutdown rpc.gssd is killed before the shares are unmounted, making shutdown take several minutes
[13:10] <wgrant> tjaalton: Kerberized NFSv4 home, or something more sinster?
[13:11] <tjaalton> tjaalton: yep
[13:11] <wgrant> Odd -- works fine for me here.
[13:11] <tjaalton> well, maybe the fact that there are 100 mounted shares has something to do with it
[13:11] <wgrant> Ah.
[13:11] <tjaalton> lots of users
[13:12] <tjaalton> so it's stuck flushing them
[13:12] <wgrant> Yep.
[13:13] <tjaalton> 15:11 < tjaalton> tjaalton: yep
[13:13] <tjaalton> wtf :)
[14:05] <joaopinto> is it plymouth do the KMS mode switch ?
[14:07] <joaopinto> argh, Canonical ppl shuld work on the weekends :P
[17:43] <ircipimp> hi
[17:44] <ircipimp> i'm still troubleshooting the nomodeset issue, since i'd like to have some "acceptable" boot process using fglrx. yesterday i was recommended using "nomodeset", but still the splash screen looks just like a 8bit magnified version of the standard splash.
[17:44] <ircipimp> is there a way to force plymouth into text-only mode?
[17:54] <ircipimp> plymouth-set-default-plugin text as used on fedora doesn't exist on ubuntu and changing the text.plymouth entry in /etc/alternatives doesn't work
[18:37] <ruthgard> !couchdb
[18:37] <ruthgard> !ubuntuone
[20:33] <jdong> at what stage of initramfs is plymouth supposed to draw a splash
[20:33] <jdong> on my nvidia system, it seems like the splash only shows up after the root mounts
[20:33] <jdong> and barely stays on the screen for 2 seconds before X starts
[20:34] <jdong> (but there is 5 seconds or so worth of blank blinking cursor after GRUB before plymouth)
[20:36] <ion> jdong: Sounds like the expected behavior to me.
[20:36] <ion> jdong: Not that the behavior is pretty or non-confusing, but that’s how it’s implemented for lucid.
[20:36] <kklimonda> yup, plymouth doesn't start from initramfs - it's launched pretty late on purpose (see bug 540801)
[20:37] <kklimonda> there is a nice command one can use to make plymouth start drawing a bit earlier..
[20:37] <ion> Yes, but it’ll make your system boot slower.
[20:37] <kklimonda> heh
[20:40] <jdong> ion: ok, gotcha.
[20:40] <ion> To get a pretty splash sooner, you have to load an assload of stuff before doing readahead, which is a loss.
[20:40] <jdong> ion: sounds logical -- just wanted to make sure
[20:45] <ScottK> jdong: OK.  Now that you're sure, go fix some bugs ...
[20:46] <jdong> lol hehe
[20:46] <ircipimp> http://pastebin.com/xChbj6D1
[20:46] <ircipimp> that's the list of packages jockey installs when setting up a brother network printer
[20:46] <jdong> what's unusual?
[20:47] <ircipimp> is this expected to happen... the list looks totally bloated to me, thinking that all there's needed was the correct .deb file supplied by brother
[20:47] <jdong> seems like it installs a QT4 based control panel and the Brother driver is an RPM?
[20:47] <ircipimp> yes, but it used to be a deb and i'm sure, brother-cups-wrapper-laser is all that's needed, as it used to be under karmic
[20:49] <ScottK> doko: Would you please look at Bug #542634 and make a recommendation.
[20:52] <ircipimp> i'm unable to select a driver from the printer settings. all possible printers are displayed but the "next" button is grayed out.
[20:52] <ircipimp> :(
[20:56] <c_korn> can someone confirm that vino-server consumes a lot of cpu after some minutes ?
[21:27] <slangasek> matumba: bug #564842 - I'm not sure if that should even be considered a bug
[21:28] <slangasek> tjaalton: oh; should we avoid stopping gssd on runlevel [06]?
[21:37] <matumba> slangasek, sudo reacts different on the same input depending on the existence of a totally unrelated package - doesn't sound like expected behavior (not that i would consider this anything but cosmetic)
[21:37] <slangasek> not unrelated at all
[21:37] <slangasek> winbind is an authentication-related package
[21:41] <tjaalton> slangasek: how exactly can I test if that'd help?
[21:42] <slangasek> tjaalton: well, I'm fairly certain it will help you, I'm just trying to think if there's a downside
[21:42] <tjaalton> slangasek: heh, right
[21:42] <slangasek> tjaalton: you can test it by editing /etc/init/gssd.conf and changing it to just 'stop on stopping portmap'
[21:43] <tjaalton> oh, of course
[21:45] <slangasek> mr_pouit: when updating xubuntu-meta, please use the debootstrap from the current Ubuntu dev release; using the Debian one causes germinate to throw an error for the next person to try to update :)
[21:45] <joaopinto> is anyone familiar with KMS issues with intel graphic cards, hanging during boot ?
[21:46] <ScottK> joaopinto: Which Intel?
[21:46] <ScottK> The i845 experience is known to be "unfortunate".
[21:46] <tormod> loads of i8xx cards were blacklisted for this in the last kernel
[21:46] <joaopinto> ScottK, I have been trying to help an user which has been on #ubuntu+1 since yesterday
[21:46] <joaopinto> bug 565109
[21:47] <joaopinto> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[21:47] <joaopinto> disabling plymouth he was able to boot with an older kernel, that was the best we have achieved
[21:48] <ScottK> 945 I'm not aware of any major issues.  You might ask in #ubuntu-x.
[21:48] <ScottK> tormod: I think those were all 845.
[21:48] <slangasek> I have a 945 and it works fine; I've seen signs that there may be Dell-specific problems with 945+KMS
[21:48]  * ScottK has an 865 system that is a little fragile, but working not so bad (much better than Karmic)
[21:49] <slangasek> joaopinto: what happens when booting with 'nomodeset'?
[21:49] <joaopinto> isn't plymouth the one using the KMS ?
[21:49] <ScottK> No, it's a kernel option
[21:49] <ScottK> (as slangasek suggests)
[21:50] <joaopinto> hum, but how is it invoked ? the loads fine, he gets fine into the initramfs
[21:50] <joaopinto> so there is something after which invokes the mode set for the graphical mode
[21:50] <ScottK> joaopinto: To avoid it, add nomodeset to the boot parameters
[21:50] <joaopinto> slangasek, checking, he did so many things :P
[21:51] <joaopinto> ok, will do
[21:51] <slangasek> KMS is "kernel mode setting".  It's /used/ the first time something wants a graphical mode; initially that will be plymouth, after that it'll be X, generally any bugs in KMS will be seen with or without plymouth because plymouth doesn't do anything clever with KMS
[21:52] <joaopinto> slangasek, ok, like I was thinking, so if we have disabled plymouth, and we are booting into rescue mode, and it still hangs can't be KMS related, or shouldn't be
[21:52] <slangasek> true
[21:52] <slangasek> well - depending on what you mean by "disabled plymouth"
[21:52] <joaopinto> mv /etc/init/*plymouth* /etc/disabled
[21:53] <slangasek> don't do that
[21:53] <slangasek> you might be causing a *different* bug if you do that
[21:53] <joaopinto> however, disabling plymouth makes it boot with 2.6.28, and then it hangs on gdm
[21:54]  * hyperair wonders if the nosplash option works with plymouth
[21:54] <joaopinto> slangasek, it was just to be sure plymouth was not the one hanging :P
[21:54] <joaopinto> and according to some user which disabled like that it works :)
[21:54] <matumba> slangasek, err, you're obviously right (common-auth...), shame on me. so you think this bug report would rod in lp and nobody would care? if so, i'm fine with closing it.
[21:54] <slangasek> hyperair: no, 'nosplash' has never been a supported option
[21:54] <hyperair> slangasek: the lack of "splash" then.
[21:54] <slangasek> hyperair: we use 'splash' - if you don't want splash, take the 'splash' option /off/
[21:55] <hyperair> slangasek: so it can be disabled that way. i was just checking.
[21:55] <slangasek> matumba: probably so - the behavior of pressing ^C at a PAM prompt isn't defined, modules are totally allowed to retry
[21:55] <joaopinto> slangasek, "nomodeset" did not help, still hanging
[21:55] <slangasek> hyperair: dropping 'splash' means you don't get a splash screen.  plymouth still runs.
[21:55] <slangasek> hyperair: because even if you don't want a splash screen, something has to be there to serialize console I/O
[21:56] <hyperair> slangasek: ah i see.
[21:56] <slangasek> joaopinto: hanging with a splash screen up, or hanging when gdm starts?
[21:56] <joaopinto> uff, there should be some easy way to do step by step boot for this problems
[21:56] <hyperair> slangasek: strange, when we used usplash, it just completely didn't run, or did it? what serialized the console I/O then?
[21:56] <slangasek> joaopinto: and does the user have all packages up-to-date?
[21:56] <slangasek> hyperair: nothing, that's why we *got rid of usplash* :)
[21:56] <slangasek> it was inadequate for the task
[21:57] <hyperair> slangasek: okay, then why do we need to serialize console I/O? does it make a difference?
[21:57] <joaopinto> slangasek, yes, he did an update && upgrade with livecd+chroot
[21:57] <slangasek> hyperair: because in the general case, mountall and cryptsetup both need to talk to the user at boot time, and may each have more than one question, and something needs to arbitrate
[21:58] <hyperair> slangasek: aah i see. thanks for the info =)
[21:58] <slangasek> if you don't have plymouth, you have *no* way of talking to mountall
[21:58] <slangasek> and everybody kinda needs mountall
[21:58] <matumba> slangasek, it doesn't retry - it just shows the password prompt (as soon as i hit the enter key i'm back at the terminal prompt, even if the pwd was ok)
[21:58] <slangasek> matumba: oh; then that sounds like a low-prio bug, yes
[21:58] <hyperair> slangasek: what does the user need to talk to mountall for?
[21:59] <hyperair> slangasek: wasn't it for the recovery shell and fsck thing?
[21:59] <slangasek> hyperair: when a fsck fails, you're going to want to talk to mountall
[21:59] <slangasek> hyperair: or when you can't mount /home because the drive caught on fire, but you still want to be able to boot and recover
[21:59] <slangasek> or when you misconfigured /etc/fstab and it's waiting for a device in the gamma quadrant before continuing
[21:59] <matumba> slangasek, i'll edit the description to make that clear - but the package is samba and not pam, right?
[22:00] <slangasek> matumba: it is *probably* samba, but I would have to dig to see
[22:00] <hyperair> slangasek: nice descriptions =p
[22:01] <hyperair> slangasek: i remember being able to talk to both cryptsetup and mountall in karmic, though
[22:01] <slangasek> do you?
[22:01] <slangasek> my memories disagree with yours
[22:01] <slangasek> I remember cryptsetup+mountall in karmic being a total disaster
[22:02] <slangasek> you could talk to one of them, as long as the other didn't want your attention at the same time
[22:02] <joaopinto> slangasek, it hangs during text mode, no splash or error is shown
[22:02] <matumba> slangasek, k, i'll leave it at samba then. thx for your input :)
[22:02] <hyperair> slangasek: i use cryptsetup on a daily basis. and during the days of 2.6.32, ext4 gave me endless hell. every other time i booted up, mountall failed and i had to run a manual fsck.
[22:02] <tjaalton> slangasek: turns out that it's just as slow umounting them even with gssd running, so it's something else
[22:02] <slangasek> hyperair: cryptsetup for the rootfs, or cryptsetup for passphrase prompting post-initramfs?
[22:03] <slangasek> tjaalton: ok
[22:03] <hyperair> slangasek: rootfs. i guess that made the difference
[22:03] <slangasek> hyperair: yep - the initramfs is already serialized for you
[22:03] <hyperair> ah
[22:03] <slangasek> so doesn't count :)
[22:03] <hyperair> i see.
[22:03] <hyperair> heheh
[22:03] <joaopinto> btw, we have tried init=sulogin+exec init, it hang on init
[22:03] <hyperair> i'm glad i had a weird enough setup that avoided this bug =p
[22:04] <slangasek> hyperair: nah, that's how I'm set up too, but /I/ got to see all the bug reports from people who set up their systems differently.. :)
[22:04] <hyperair> slangasek: i don't envy you =p
[22:04] <slangasek> joaopinto: I've tried init=/bin/sh and it doesn't work, I haven't investigated why
[22:05] <slangasek> joaopinto: "no splash or error shown" - are you booting without 'quiet'?
[22:05] <joaopinto> I am sure it did that already, re-checking
[22:08] <joaopinto> I have checked the http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/OMGBroken , it doesn't help much to debug upstart if we can't start it without automatically starting the "hanging" task
[22:09] <slangasek> joaopinto: if booting with an initramfs, 'break=init' works; you just have to run 'chroot /root /bin/bash' first before doing anything else
[22:10] <slangasek> (and init= failing is definitely a bug that we should get fixed in Lucid, I've just been too busy fixing the bugs that led me to *need* init= first...)
[22:10] <joaopinto> slacker_nl, well, booting with init=/sbin/sulogin works, and the / is already mounted
[22:10] <joaopinto> ops, slangasek
[22:10] <slangasek> does it?
[22:10] <joaopinto> it does
[22:10] <slangasek> interesting
[22:11] <slangasek> then maybe I just have a local bug
[22:11] <joaopinto> but then the  "exec /sbin/init" to lunch upstart will hang
[22:11] <slangasek> hmm
[22:12] <slangasek> try booting with '--verbose init=/sbin/sulogin'
[22:12] <joaopinto> --verbose is a kernel option ?
[22:12] <slangasek> no, it's an upstart option
[22:12] <slangasek> oh
[22:12] <slangasek> you could also just do 'exec /sbin/init --verbose' ;)
[22:12] <joaopinto> ok :)
[22:17] <joaopinto> btw, it boots fine from the livecd
[22:17] <joaopinto> slangasek, it hangs after "[    8.672448] EXT-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode" with or without verbose
[22:20] <slangasek> joaopinto: oh?  this problem *only* happens when booting from disk?
[22:22] <joaopinto> slangasek, yes
[22:26] <tormod> joaopinto, try "nohdparm"
[22:27] <joaopinto> tormod, tomorrow, he is travelling
[22:28] <joaopinto> luckily he had a lot of patience, has been trying for about 24h
[22:29] <tormod> joaopinto, well you have a lot of it too :)
[22:30] <joaopinto> it was a good opportunity to re-learn the boot process, is not very interesting unless you have a problem to identify :P
[22:32] <joaopinto> after this I may be able to write a wiki page, there is nothing covering the boot process in general, you have one about kernel options, another about upstart, etc, but nothing general to guide
[22:32] <tormod> joaopinto, that would be awesome
[22:34] <joaopinto> it needs to cover: bios intro+grub2+kernel+upstart+core tasks: plymouth, mountall, gdm
[22:36] <tormod> joaopinto, I started on an overview once: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Booting
[22:37] <joaopinto> tormod, oh looks great, we just need to continue it :)
[22:39] <tormod> that page mostly tries to explain how your disk is discovered independently three times after each other :)
[22:39] <ScottK> nhandler: Would you make me a debdiff out of 564070, suitable for sponsoring?
[22:39] <tormod> or in fact how this can be thee different disks
[22:39] <nhandler> Yeah, I can do that ScottK
[22:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:53] <mr_pouit> slangasek: hmpf, because it harcodes the debootstrap version somewhere? annoying :]
[22:53] <mr_pouit> ah right, in debootstrap-version
[22:58] <c_korn> ok, I think vino-server crashes and it should be reproducible
[23:08] <c_korn> I filed bug 565633
[23:12] <c_korn> is there a tag I should add to notice that I have a backtrace ?
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - are you sure you just enable remote desktop in vino-preferences? the backtrace shows vino-server got a SIGTERM
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> incidentally, i can recreate the CPU usage issue when stopping vino-server
[23:15] <c_korn> chrisccoulson: hm, yes. might be that the cpu consumption started after I stopped it. let me try again.
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it looks like
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> it
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> urgh
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> oops
[23:20] <c_korn> indeed it crashes on stop
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> c_korn, yeah, that makes sense. so, i get your issue too
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> would you mind forwarding that upstream?
[23:27] <c_korn> chrisccoulson: is there some reportbug script for GNOME bugs ?
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - not that i'm aware of
[23:31] <c_korn> chrisccoulson: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=616063
[23:32] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - thanks
[23:33] <c_korn> chrisccoulson: how can I link the upstream bug in LP ?
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - click on "Also affects project"
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> i just added the upstream link though
[23:35] <c_korn> chrisccoulson: oh, ok. thanks.


[01:11] <donofrio> and now it is working....I just had to remeber to make sure all displayed touched each other and aligned up all for use now its this goodness https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL9MBY5kLzCENfmqng
[01:37] <FurretUber> QEMU virtual machines with network in user mode are using 100% of host CPU when they keep a network connection
[01:39] <daddy0> how can i get winestaging for 18.04 without building it myself?
[01:40] <daddy0> this doesnt work:  apt-add-repository https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/
[01:42] <FurretUber> Ugh, Pidgin crashed when I selected text from this chat
[01:45] <FurretUber> This is bad, it crashed again
[01:49] <daddy0> im using pidgin too but its not crashing fwiw
[01:49] <FurretUber> I am using and had no problems, until I selected some text
[01:50] <FurretUber> Now it crashes if I select text on it
[01:51] <FurretUber> To crash it, I selected some text from the chat, clicked on it and tried to drag, as if trying to copy to gedit
[01:52] <FurretUber> Now apport is uploading a xfce4-taskmanager crash, after that ends I will try to get a backtrace of pidgin
[01:55] <FurretUber> Time to kill pidgin
[01:58] <FurretUber> Horrible, there is no backtrace or apport crash
[02:08] <FurretUber> This is the pidgin bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/1750941
[02:46] <daddy0> got winestaging through POL woot
[02:54] <ChmEarl> is there a macro like this for Ubuntu: -DVENDOR_DEBIAN
[02:55] <ChmEarl> or is it the same
[02:55] <ChmEarl> --extra-cflags
[06:59] <ayee> I'm screwing around with ubuntu18 to play with netplan. I added an interface, and when I reboot the network startup process just hangs with a timer that keeps ticking up. but when I do netplay apply before reboot, everything works, I can ssh in, etc
[07:00] <ayee> I'm confused about why it works before reboot, but not after.
[07:01] <ayee> This is the only file in /etc/netplan/: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5cf3bac9168f19f9a0c9b8123aa6929a
[07:21] <Lope> If I run a pre-release of 18.04, will it update to a stable 18.04 when the stable version is released?
[07:21] <Lope> I'm setting up a new laptop
[07:21] <Lope> And considering running 18.04
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> !final | Lope
[07:22] <ayee> The odd thing is, if I do startup with just the one interface, and then I add the two bottom line to the netplan config, and do netplan apply, I can now ssh to the box through that bottom interface
[07:22] <ayee> but on reboot, it barfs
[07:22] <Lope> Is anything notable broken in 18.04?
[07:22] <ayee> netplan?
[07:23] <Lope> I've never heard of netplan.
[07:23] <Lope> Sounds like a GUI for iptables? :P
[07:23] <ayee> It's the replacement for /etc/network/interfaces or something
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> Lope: we are currently in devel branch, alot 'could' brake in this stage
[07:23] <ayee> It smells very systemd-ish
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> Lope: but that doesnt mean things cantrun stable
[07:24] <Lope> Yeah, I guess they've been killing /etc/network/interfaces slowly for a while.
[07:24] <Lope> Pretty weird how you had to setup static IPs in the DCHP client.
[07:24] <Lope> It's like an oxymoron.
[07:24] <Lope> DHCP
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> ayee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[07:25] <Lope> Will it be possible to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04?
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> Lope: yes, in june
[07:25] <ayee> lotuspsychje: I read that doc, not sure if you're pointing to a particular part?
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> Lope: when 18.04.1 is out its reccomended to do the LTS to LTS upgrade
[07:25] <Lope> lotuspsychje: I was under the impression that ubuntu LTS doesn't offer upgrades?
[07:26] <Lope> I thought I had to run debian to be able to do release upgrades
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> ayee: no, just doublecheck if you installed netplan the reccomended way?
[07:26] <Lope> so you're saying I just do the /etc/apt/sources.list update (change xenial to whatever) and bob is my uncle/
[07:27] <ayee> lotuspsychje: I just installed the daily current bionic, so it just came installed out of the box?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> Lope: what?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> !info netplan
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> optional?
[07:27] <ayee> pretty sure I didn't install this, I had no idea what it was 30 minutes go
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> ayee: wich ubuntu version?
[07:28] <ayee> This one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/20180221/bionic-server-arm64.iso
[07:28] <ayee> er, amd64 rather
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> ah im not following server news sorry
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> im on desktop myself
[07:29] <Lope> lotuspsychje: in debian when you upgrade from one release to the next, you change the sources.list file from jesse to stretch for example, and then it upgrades the distro.
[07:29] <ayee> I assume it's the same situation on desktop current
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> Lope: when 18.04.1 comes out, it will notify on 16.04 to do your upgrade
[07:29] <Lope> I've never heard of ubuntu offering seamless upgrades
[07:29] <Lope> I thought with ubuntu you have to nuke and reinstall for every new release?
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> Lope: where did you hear that?
[07:30] <Lope> people on IRC :P
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> Lope: bad info
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> Lope: for a daily we reccomend to install clean
[07:32] <ayee> o it works. hmm. I think I was too impatient. The systemd job for the network was taking 90 seconds, and I only waited 30 seconds before powering off the VM
[07:32] <ayee> no idea why it takes so long. *shrug*
[07:33] <ayee> ok, I did read the docs and make the config properly, I thought I was going crazy
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> !yay | ayee
[07:34] <Lope> lotuspsychje: "for a daily" ?
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> Lope: as in a daily iso 18.04
[07:36] <Lope> lotuspsychje: do you mean if I install a daily iso, once the release comes, I should reinstall the release version?
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> Lope: no, i just explained this with !final remember
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> Lope: with daily i mean: to help test/bug out a development version, we reccomend to install the iso clean and not upgraded from another version
[07:39] <Lope> Oh I see
[07:39] <Lope> but once I install a daily of course I'll want to upgrade it and not keep reinstalling every day?
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> Lope: correct
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> thats what we all do here
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> bug/test until final
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> Lope: just updating your system will make it better and better
[07:42] <Lope> ayee: okay. So netplan the main way to configure network interfaces, is broken. Seems like quite a showstopper?
[07:42] <Lope> lotuspsychje: thanks
[07:44] <ayee> Lope: It works. for some reason it takes 3 minutes to startup with systemd.
[07:47] <Lope> ayee: hmm.
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> ayee: perhaps the #ubuntu-server guys might know more of netplan/server
[08:06] <ducasse> Lope: you don't manually edit sources.list to upgrade to a new release, you run the software updater or do-release-upgrade
[09:40] <Lope> ayee: The new netplan syntax looks nice
[09:49] <Lope> looks like Ubuntu 18.04 will be good for a tablet?
[09:50] <gpunk> hi
[09:50] <gpunk> i ahve this [  1349.670] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering , so the desktop is very slow
[09:50] <gpunk> any help ?
[09:51] <gpunk> it was fine before todays update
[10:03] <gpunk> hello : 52.508] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[10:05] <gpunk> my desktop is very slow
[10:05] <gpunk> since this morning update
[10:32] <gpunk>  i fixed the issue by uninstalling libglvnd0
[10:33] <gpunk> but kinfocenter has to go too, (dependency)
[14:04] <donofrio> so it looked like my issue was a gnome/unity/mate issue, when I added xfce4* to my system and changed the DE to xfce4 my controls worked, no more north north magnetic like repelling of the screens, might just be visable after the second display is setup that is why maybe no-one on dualhead land has seen that, I'm a quadhead at home mahcine...again it's working now (fixed it last night) but figured I'd share just the same
[14:08] <alkisg> donofrio: so, if it's an ubuntu mate issue, you'd better ask in #mate-dev or #ubuntu-mate
[14:08] <alkisg> Or report it to launchpad
[14:35] <FurretUber> Hi, a machine I upgraded from Xubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 is failing when I want to log in using lightdm. It does so because the startup script tries to run /sbin/upstart --user
[14:37] <FurretUber> I have noticed my machine I upgraded from Zesty to Bionic that it has many startup scripts at /etc/X11/Xsession.d. That Xenial machine has only 99x11upstart and 99x11-common_start
[14:37] <FurretUber> I can't find which packages add content to /etc/X11/Xsession.d, so I don't know against what should I file a bug
[14:56] <alkisg> dpkg -S /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[14:56] <alkisg> This will tell you which packages put files to that directory
[15:04] <FurretUber> Thank you. Somehow, the startup script 99upstart was not removed when upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04, which is causing the login to fail
[15:04] <FurretUber> Removing this specific script from /etc/X11/Xsession.d solved
[15:04] <FurretUber> And the Xubuntu's default wallpaper is beautiful
[15:23] <alkisg> FurretUber: you can file a bug report for that if you want
[15:35] <FurretUber> Hmm... I can't report it, because there is no package upstart in Bionic
[15:36] <FurretUber> Against which package should I report then?
[15:36] <alkisg> Against upstart in xenial
[15:36] <alkisg> Or against the upgrader, which should have purged and not removed upstart
[15:37] <alkisg> $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade
[15:37] <alkisg> ubuntu-release-upgrader-core: /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade
[15:37] <alkisg> Removing upstart leaves its configuration files. If they cause login issues, either upstart should be fixed so that they don't cause login issues, or do-release-upgrade should purge it instead of removing
[15:38] <alkisg> (remove means leave configuration files in /etc there)
[15:41] <FurretUber> It was already reported, I marked I was affected too.
[15:48] <alkisg> Nice
[19:28] <jlacroix> I'm having a strange issue in 18.04 in a VM. I tried to set up a bridge, and then did sudo netplan apply. However, the VM does get an IP address from my DHCP server but cannot ping or access anything on the LAN
[19:28] <jlacroix> I followed this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/971126/17-10-netplan-config-with-bridge
[19:41] <Odd_Bloke> jlacroix: It might be worth asking in #netplan.
[19:43] <jlacroix> Thanks
[21:18] <Boyette> who can help me to install wine
[21:25] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/MymyFeXW
[21:33] <nacc> Boyette: well you're doing it rather wrong
[21:33] <Boyette> ok
[21:33] <Boyette> what should I do ?
[21:33] <nacc> Boyette: you are passing two packages to apt
[21:33] <nacc> 'wine-development' and '3.2-1'
[21:33] <nacc> Boyette: why are you doing that?
[21:33] <nacc> Boyette: if you are on bionic, you will get 3.2-1 already, you don't need to tell it the version
[21:35] <Boyette> ah ur right
[21:35] <Boyette> removing the version works
[21:35] <nacc> Boyette: right, and you see why, yes?
[21:37] <Boyette> yes
[21:37] <nacc> Boyette: ok :)
[21:38] <Boyette> thx mate


[01:28] <munson> hello anyone willing ot help with dvd issue?  i poppedi n dvd but it seems its not being mounted
[01:29] <munson> nm lol i thought i put the dvd drive in there lol its still the 52x.
[01:30] <munson> oh crap that was other box
[02:06] <munson> hey guys i'm back.  so i popped in my dvd burner and movie and clicked play dvd in frontend and doesn't wanna play.  In ubuntu when i close the FE i see it mounted on desktop the dvd icon
[02:20] <munson> do i have to add somethin to /etc/fstab like mount the dvd drive in order for it to work in the frontend?
[02:24] <munson> anyone? i'm having issue where can't play a dvd.  in frontend but in the "desktop" i can.  any ideas?
[02:25] <munson> err can't play in the FE but the desktop i can play the movie
[02:36] <tgm4883> munson, what do you mean by desktop? Is that a different computer?
[02:36] <munson> ok if u close out the frontend where does it take u?
[02:37] <tgm4883> the desktop
[02:37] <munson> ;)
[02:38] <tgm4883> heh ok, but the desktop can't play a dvd
[02:38] <munson> with vlc or any media player it can
[02:38] <tgm4883> vlc or any media player isn't the desktop now is it ;)
[02:38] <munson> its pretty much ubuntu desktop with minimal installed apps.
[02:39] <tgm4883> Is it a sony or disney DVD you are testing with?
[02:39] <munson> regular dvd called Bait Shop
[02:40] <munson> i'm not sure if desktop mounted as /dev/cdrom and FE is lookin for /dev/dvd
[02:40] <tgm4883> what version of mythtv?
[02:40] <munson> latest and greatest mythbuntu 11.04
[02:41] <tgm4883> so an old version then
[02:41] <munson> so whatever they have 0.24 installed or whatever they did to compile 11.04
[02:41] <tgm4883> !repos
[02:41] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[02:41] <tgm4883> munson, but I doubt thats the issue, what do the frontend logs say when you try to play a dvd
[02:42] <munson> i'd have to look at em, it just says please wait for split second then goes back to menu
[02:42] <munson> and its set to auto play dvd menu if dvd is in but doesn't so lemme check brb
[02:42] <tgm4883> !logs | munson
[02:42] <Zinn> munson: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[02:47] <munson> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/0p0SxBgU
[02:47] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] Spam Detection For Paste ID: 0p0SxBgU
[02:49] <tgm4883> munson, I'd assume this is your issue
[02:49] <tgm4883> mount: can't find /dev/sr0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:49] <tgm4883> IIRC, which means in the frontend setup you need to find where to specify what your dvd drive is
[02:50] <munson> sr0? hmm
[02:50] <munson> thats serial device i think
[02:51] <munson>  the /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom0 is only 2 i've every used when comes to optical drives besides the usb versions which then would be the /dev/sd'a-b-c'
[02:53] <munson> libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd
[02:53] <munson> so now i know its being looked at in /dev/dvd
[03:34] <munson> kk got it in /etc/fstab yup was lookin for sr0
[03:34] <munson> so had to make tweaks
[03:34] <munson> cya guys
[17:55] <Wipster> evening all, is there a guide on inserting a new remote config? I have recorded the remote to make a new lirc.conf file with names based on a previous version however I dont know where to add it so it appears in the infrared dropdown in the control centre, as it seems most of the configs are auto generated.
[20:06] <Wipster> ok well I found the hwdb file I needed and I have selected the remote in the control centre and it generated the lirc mappings.... but not working atm hmmm
[20:12] <stevieman> I did an update a week ago and now I have no video output to my TV. I can still VNC into the machine.
[20:12] <stevieman>  can someone give me a hand in figuring out why my TV output stopped working
[20:13] <kosmonaut> I just installed mythbuntu some minutes ago, now mythtv askes me to configure the database. I have no idea, what I should enter as the defaults are not valid...any1?
[20:16] <kosmonaut> is there any default password for the DB? wondering what to do now?
[20:19] <tgm4883> kosmonaut, when you installed mythbuntu, did you install the backend?
[20:20] <kosmonaut> tgm4883: i am pretty sure that i have installed back- and frontend
[20:21] <tgm4883> do a 'dpkg -l mythtv-backend*'
[20:21] <tgm4883> !pastebin | kosmonaut
[20:21] <Zinn> kosmonaut: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[20:22] <tgm4883> better yet
[20:22] <tgm4883> !logs | kosmonaut
[20:22] <Zinn> kosmonaut: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[20:22] <kosmonaut> tgm4883: maybe the db is not running because i had to start the pc in the hmm...failsave/save modus
[20:22] <kosmonaut> hm...I think this could be the reason
[20:22] <kosmonaut> thX! for the feedback anyhow!!
[21:03] <kosmonaut1> i reconfigured mysql myth common and myth database now it seems to work :-)
[21:03] <kosmonaut1> let s see
[21:03] <kosmonaut1> thx again for you feedback guys/girls


[00:49] <h00k> hello, hello.
[02:36] <h00k> oi!
[02:36] <lostson> evening
[02:36] <h00k> evening
[02:36] <h00k> I'm glad nobody got confused and that I didn't say the meeting was tonight
[02:37] <lostson> heh
[02:47] <lostson> well look what got build in milwaukee http://hackaday.com/2011/03/08/on-the-go-desktop/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29
[02:47] <lostson> built**
[04:40] <lostson> got ion3 running on ubuntu 10.10 now seeing as the developer abandoned it and it has a special circumstance in the license i have to change the name and then i can release to the world and continue to develop it
[04:41] <lostson> so i guess i will go through all the source files and remove ion or ion3 from them all and replace them with the name i wish to call my new project
[04:49] <lostson> well time for some sleep hopefully i can make the meeting tomorrow night
[06:46] <h00k> lostson: good luck :/
[06:46] <h00k> uberushaximus: heyyo
[06:47] <h00k> and greetings, greppy
[06:48] <h00k> I'm working on webdesign stuffs.
[07:23] <greppy> h00k: ello :) a little late, but meh :)
[07:25] <h00k> greppy: :D
[07:25] <h00k> greppy: I haven't met you yet, that I know of
[07:26] <greppy> h00k: probably not :) I kind of idle here, but also in #lopsa, #vbox, #ubuntu, etc etc :)
[07:26] <h00k> greppy: cool. What part of the state are you in?
[07:26] <greppy> southern, work in Madison, live in Brooklyn
[07:26] <h00k> greppy: gotcha. I'm up in Rhinelander
[07:27] <greppy> nice
[07:27] <greppy> long way away :)
[07:27] <greppy> so glad I don't have to go up there to work on stuff lol
[07:27] <h00k> yeah...
[07:27] <h00k> we actually have the internet all the way up here, which makes things nice ;)
[07:28] <greppy> yeah I know, part of my job is supporting some of that :)
[07:28] <h00k> Mine too, I work in IT at a company up here
[07:31] <greppy> doing desktop support?
[07:41] <greppy> and now, to go blow up some routers :)
[07:41]  * greppy &
[07:42] <h00k> greppy: desktop support, network design/engineering/support
[07:45] <h00k> greppy: systems design/engineering/support, servers, etc
[12:23] <greppy> h00k: cool
[14:17] <h00k> I need coffee.
[14:20]  * greppy had coffee
[14:20]  * greppy wants dinner.
[14:20] <h00k> greppy: have you been up all night?
[14:21] <h00k> I need to fix the time on my server.
[14:21] <greppy> yup
[14:21] <greppy> I work 3rd shift :)
[14:21] <greppy> 00:00 - 09:00
[14:21] <h00k> phew, getting close
[14:21] <greppy> yup
[14:21] <greppy> but I think I need to climb back into the van and go pick up some hardware yet this morning before I go home, since I need to drop it off tomorrow.
[14:21] <greppy> gotta love upgrades.
[14:22] <h00k> always fun, besides, they never go wrong
[14:23] <greppy> oh of course not....
[14:23] <greppy> which is why I end up leaving the PRE's on site for a day or two normally :)
[14:26]  * h00k helps a client recover from a power outage
[14:26] <greppy> eww those can be evil.
[14:26] <greppy> fried hardware, or just stuff not saved?
[14:27] <h00k> Hopefully nothing, so far, I'm just getting their servers up
[14:27] <greppy> sooo glad all my stuff for work is on battery backup and generator
[14:27] <greppy> and my personal stuff is spread across 3 UPSs :)
[14:28] <greppy> and now, back out into the snow.
[14:28]  * greppy &
[14:28] <h00k> good luck
[14:29] <h00k> They're also 3 hours away, so I'm really trying to avoid the drive if I can
[14:43] <h00k> so far, okay...
[14:43] <h00k> two of 5 powered up
[18:03] <mikeputnam> join this: http://groups.google.com/group/barcampfoxvalley-discuss    for this reason: http://barcampfoxvalley.org
[18:28] <lostson> ok i joined it
[18:28] <lostson> good thing i came home for lunch
[18:41] <mikeputnam> :)
[19:06] <mikeputnam> shalomoreo: welcome over here too
[20:55] <h00k> mikeputnam: you spammer, you.
[20:55]  * h00k joins
[20:58] <mikeputnam> it's the good kind of spam
[20:58] <mikeputnam> networking!
[20:58] <mikeputnam> synapses!
[20:58] <mikeputnam> social media!
[20:58] <h00k> the cloud!
[20:58] <h00k> etc,
[21:05] <intok> Anyone who is for the cloud shall receive death by lolcat
[21:06] <h00k> for which definition of cloud :D
[21:06] <h00k> People that confuse the CLOUD for internets
[21:07] <uberushaximus> internets =/= webz =/= cloud
[21:08] <h00k> interwebcloud
[21:19] <h00k> Has anyone any experience with SheevaPlugs or small embedded devices? I see some documentation on the GuruPlug, but there was some concerns about heat


[00:13] <FuuqUmiist> where is the location of the default icons
[01:57] <one> Where are the lightdm / x settings to change the vt?
[02:02] <one> ~there is a reference to "$@"
[02:54] <one> The webe drones keep siphoning my ip lines
[02:54] <one> 50ft to 200yrds
[02:54] <one> not a request a demand
[02:54] <one> or else...
[02:55] <one> don't ask, what
[02:55] <holstein> one: you want to /join #lubuntu-offtopic ..thanks
[03:57] <cdoublejj> what version of X server does lubuntu 13.10 use?
[03:57] <holstein> !x
[03:57] <holstein> !info x
[03:58] <holstein> !info X11
[03:58] <holstein> !info xorg-server
[03:59] <cdoublejj> hhhmm i wonder if the 9800 pro ati drives WOULD work in lunbuntu 13.10
[03:59] <holstein> xorg-server 2:1.14.3-3ubuntu2
[04:00] <holstein> cdoublejj: try it live.. the open ones should work fine from the live CD
[04:00] <holstein> !ati
[04:01] <cdoublejj> no the opens one's don't TRULY work, they work great for 2d stuff heck it even plays mincecraft fora few minutes before my screen is possed by sta and i'm sucked in to the 7th level artifact hell
[04:01] <cdoublejj> hell even in 2d the buttons in the os have some small artifcating
[04:02] <cdoublejj> here is my issue
[04:02] <cdoublejj> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Saucy_Installation_Guide#The_Options
[04:02] <cdoublejj> i have a 9800 and i need drivers better than the crappy open source ones
[04:33] <cdoublejj> well after some thinking AMD sucks i think i'm forced to switch to windows in this case or some how find another card that is compatible but, this machine does not have compatible AGP slot with newer cards.
[04:34] <one> peace
[07:16] <these_eyes> !seen wife
[07:18] <these_eyes> I close my eyes and she slipped away
[07:20] <these_eyes> smurfslover what do you think you are elvis or something?
[07:20] <smurfslover> elvis?
[07:20] <smurfslover> lol
[07:23] <smurfslover> i'm a metalhead actually \m/
[07:25] <these_eyes> from where?
[07:25] <smurfslover> belgium
[21:46] <Kevin578> I just installed lubuntu, but when I boot up, I just get a black screen
[21:48] <Kevin578> the bios splash screen still shows, but then it just shows a black screen. it was working before on a 1280 x 1024 monitor, but this problem happens on a 1920x1080 monitor
[22:14] <jarkko> Kevin578: ati 7xxx series?
[22:15] <Kevin578> ati radeon 9200
[22:19] <jarkko> Kevin578: i have glamour issue you might be reflected too
[22:20] <jarkko> closed source driver works but withouth it blank screen, ati 7870
[22:25] <Kevin578> ok, so it seems putting nomodeset in the boot options makes it boot.
[22:25] <Kevin578> i'm trying to make the boot settings permenant, but when I type gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub in the terminal, no text file shows up
[22:32] <jarkko> ja got grub.d directory there
[22:32] <jarkko> just single file
[22:32] <jarkko> Kevin578:  are you sure you dont have /boot ?
[22:33] <Kevin578> what does that mean?
[22:33] <Kevin578> sorry, im new to linux
[22:35] <jarkko> Kevin578:  i dont have /etc/default/grub directory
[22:35] <jarkko> it's /etc/default/grub.d
[22:35] <jarkko> but there is only 1 file
[22:35] <jarkko> Kevin578: whats your distro?
[22:35] <Kevin578> lubuntu 13.10
[22:36] <jarkko> Kevin578: i got kubuntu 14.04
[22:36] <jarkko> Kevin578: can you open console?
[22:36] <Kevin578> how do I do that?
[22:36] <jarkko> there should be somekind of menu where you can launch programs
[22:36] <jarkko> you know what i mean?
[22:38] <Kevin578> yeah, I have that
[22:39] <jarkko> Kevin578: this could work for you http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2013/12/14/grub-customizer-4-released-install-it-on-ubuntu-13-10-and-linux-mint-16/
[22:39] <jarkko> Kevin578: there should be some program that launches console
[22:39] <jarkko> Kevin578: system --> console for me
[22:43] <jarkko> Kevin578: actually you could use that program to add the needed parametrer


[08:43] <ritzttk> Hi, I'm deploying Openstack charm bundle by Juju + Maas, and it stucked on "allocating unit". This is output of juju status : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6cc5mzFMj9/ . Please have a look and help me troubleshoot this case. Sorry for bothering you
[08:49] <ritzttk> This is log on server number 2 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2bDGxk7q4w/. It look like server shutdown all services because ntp timed out. It's connecting on a vlan interface
[08:54] <ritzttk> this is my space information : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TzgRDGf4MN/
[11:02] <mup> Bug #1882371 changed: [2.8/candidate] /snap/maas/current/helpers/maas-database-setup missing <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882371>
[11:05] <mup> Bug #1882371 opened: [2.8/candidate] /snap/maas/current/helpers/maas-database-setup missing <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882371>
[11:08] <mup> Bug #1882371 changed: [2.8/candidate] /snap/maas/current/helpers/maas-database-setup missing <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882371>
[15:38] <mup> Bug #1880755 changed: snap upgrade requires 2x disk space <MAAS:Fix Released by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1880755>
[15:38] <mup> Bug #1881361 changed: Websocket doesn't show interface test failure when one iface passes and another fails <MAAS:Fix Released by ltrager> <MAAS 2.7:In Progress by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881361>
[18:38] <mup> Bug #1801420 opened: Deployment fails if install_kvm=true and user_data blob is passed <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1801420>
[21:01] <ticapix> Hello
[21:08] <ticapix> while following the tutorial https://maas.io/install, when I run maas init, I'm asked a db host, username and so on
[21:08] <ticapix> What is it about ?
[21:09] <ticapix> what type of DB shoult I setup on the side ?