[03:44] <cook_> how do I fix this  Reading package lists... Error! E: Problem parsing dependency Depends E: Error occurred while processing kdebase-runtime (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[03:45] <cook_> anyone?
[03:45] <pedro3005> hi cook_
[03:46] <cook_> hi
[03:46] <pedro3005> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/104741-solved-package-manager-errors.html try the solution presented here
[03:46] <cook_> ok
[04:02] <cook_> no luck
[04:07] <pedro3005> cook_, did you try 'sudo apt-get update' after?
[04:07] <cook_> yes
[04:08] <cook_> still get the same message
[04:08] <cook_> Reading package lists... Error! E: Problem parsing dependency Depends E: Error occurred while processing kdebase-runtime (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[04:08] <stlsaint> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:08] <stlsaint> cook_: ^^
[04:09] <zeroseven0183> cook_: or maybe a problem with apt-get cache
[04:09] <cook_> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 10925 package 'kdebase-runtime':  `Depends' field, reference to `libstdc++6': version contains ` '
[04:09] <zeroseven0183> Try 'sudo apt-get update -o APT::Cache-Limit=25165824'
[04:10] <cook_> then what?
[04:11] <zeroseven0183> then run again 'sudo apt-get update'
[04:12] <cook_> still the same message
[04:12] <stlsaint> cook_: what were you doing when you got the error?
[04:13] <cook_> I started while i was upgrading in terminal . the computer froze and had to shot down manualy
[04:14] <cook_> then this
[04:14] <cook_> E: Problem parsing dependency Depends E: Error occurred while processing kdebase-runtime (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[04:14] <stlsaint> have you tried to fix broken packages?
[04:15] <zeroseven0183> cook_ Have you tried 'sudo apt-get install -f'?
[04:15] <cook_> dont know how
[04:19] <cook_> Zeroseven same message
[04:20] <stlsaint> cook_: have you tried fixing broken packages in Synaptic Package Manager?
[04:20] <cook_> cant open it i get the same message
[04:20] <stlsaint> cook_: what release are you running?
[04:21] <cook_> E: Problem parsing dependency Depends E: Error occurred while processing kdebase-runtime (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[04:21] <cook_> lucid?
[04:21] <zeroseven0183> cook_: can you post in pastebin the result of your sources.list?
[04:22] <pedro3005> cook_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=653495
[04:22] <cook_> sudo apt-get update -o APT::Cache-Limit=25165824 Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com lucid Release.gpg Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Translation-en_CA Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/restricted Translation-en_CA Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/universe Translation-en_CA Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/multiverse Translation-en_CA Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com lucid-updates Rele
[04:23] <JoeMaverickSett> cook_: try this; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=231301
[04:23] <zeroseven0183> could you post the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[04:25] <cook_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/522466/
[04:27] <zeroseven0183> cook_ : please get the contents of your sources.list by typing gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:27] <zeroseven0183> then paste them in pastebin.ubuntu.com
[04:29] <cook_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/522469/
[04:29] <zeroseven0183> This happened when you upgraded from Lucid to Maverick or from Karmic to Lucid?
[04:29] <cook_> Karmik to Lucid I guess
[04:31] <zeroseven0183> then your computer froze while doing the upgrade?
[04:32] <cook_> yes
[04:33] <cook_> i was not watching the terminal was surfing and the the whole thing froze
[04:38] <cook_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/522471/  is this usefull?
[04:52] <n8ofsp8ds> hey guys is there anyway to improve the performance of flash
[04:52] <n8ofsp8ds> and my graphics card
[04:52] <n8ofsp8ds> there's alot of flikering
[04:52] <n8ofsp8ds> on my videos and flash
[04:52] <n8ofsp8ds> flash videos and games
[05:25] <karthick87> How to use rdesktop..?
[05:27] <ubuntuuser993434> Hi. I'm trying to connect two computers using a lan cable. I get an option to auto eth0 on one computer, but the other doesn't give an option for a wired connection
[05:28] <karthick87> ubuntuuser993434: wat type of cable you use..?Is it a cross over cable..?
[05:28] <ubuntuuser993434> It's not a crossover cable, but I think it should work anyway. MDI-X and all that
[05:28] <ubuntuuser993434> both computers are pretty new
[05:30] <ubuntuuser993434> karthick87: see my response above.
[05:32] <karthick87> How do you connect..Do you connect it via switch..?What is your setup..?
[05:33] <ubuntuuser993434> straight from one NIC to the other.
[05:33] <karthick87> what ip do you set in both computers..?
[05:34] <ubuntuuser993434> a 169.254.x.x ip on the one that lets me select a network configuration (the network applet)
[05:34] <ubuntuuser993434> but the other one doesn't let me select a configuration for eth0
[05:34] <nlsthzn> ubuntuuser993434: Is wired network working on the PC that doesn't give you an "Auto Eth0" option? Strange that only one gived this...
[05:35] <ubuntuuser993434> nlsthzn: I don't know. I always use wireless on the pc that isn't giving me an option. it's a laptop.
[05:37] <nlsthzn> ubuntuuser993434: Can you run ifconfig and see if you get any info for Eth0 and not just for Wan... check in Network Manager that Wired Network is enabled, right click it on the taskbar...
[05:38] <ubuntuuser993434> $ ifconfig  eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:26:b9:f4:45:a4             UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000            RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)           Memory:f6900000-f6920000
[05:38] <ubuntuuser993434> everything is checked off in the applet
[05:39] <ubuntuuser993434> nlsthzn: I don't see an option that says "Wired Network", just "Networking.
[05:39] <ubuntuuser993434> Same on my desktop that uses a wired connection regularly
[05:40] <nlsthzn> ubuntuuser993434: I am stuck on Windows (@work) so I can't check the wording completely, sorry... have a look at this link http://www.wikihow.com/Connect-Two-Computers but I suspect you need a cross-over cable, however I have never attempted so I may be wrong...
[05:41] <ubuntuuser993434> The computers are brand new! They should have MDI-X. They should auto-sense the straight cable and compensate =[
[05:43] <nlsthzn> ubuntuuser993434: I believe you, just I don't have any expereince as I have not attempted this... I normally use a switch, I could suggest changing the subnet to 255.255.255.x rather but I doubt that would change anything...
[05:45] <ubuntuuser993434> nlsthzn: yeah, don't have a switch available and have 10GB of files to transfer. do you know what my gateway should be?
[05:46] <ubuntuuser993434> i'm setting the ip to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:46] <ubuntuuser993434> and .109
[05:50] <nlsthzn> ubuntuuser993434: I stand corrected but I don't think you need to set a gateway...
[05:50] <nlsthzn> Not that you are here to read that any way...
[06:26] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: someone is asking for a GUI command line help http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ideas_in_preparation/
[09:44] <shahan> Mohan_chml, how r u ?
[09:44] <Mohan_chml> hiya shahan. I am doing good :)
[09:44] <shahan> I am facing a new problem on Maverick, its a Display issue
[09:45] <Mohan_chml> what happened?
[09:50] <shahan> Hello All
[09:50] <robscomputer> Hello
[09:51] <shahan> I am facing a Resolution problem on Maverick Meerkat... As its not detecting my monitor
[09:51] <shahan> I am facing this problem from this morning.
[09:51] <shahan> It was doing good before
[09:52] <shahan> My monitor HP w1707 gives 1440*900 pixel support
[09:53] <robscomputer> what was the last item to change on your computer? any patching?
[09:53] <shahan> robscomputer, no...
[09:54] <shahan> robscomputer, I did nothing.. only installed a font
[09:54] <nlsthzn> shahan: Gfx drivers installed? Nvidia or Ati?
[09:54] <shahan> nlsthzn, I have no external graphics card installed
[09:55] <shahan> Its Gigabyte G31M-ES2C
[09:55] <shahan> the motherboard
[09:56]  * Mohan_chml suggests to look for Xorg issues
[09:57]  * nlsthzn thinks Mohan_chml is right but has no idea how to go about doing that... :p
[09:58] <Mohan_chml> shahan, may be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Three%20methods%20to%20setup will help
[09:58] <Mohan_chml> I will brb
[09:59] <robscomputer> shahan, is the monitor not working at all? do you have any light on the monitor when the computer is turned on?
[10:00] <robscomputer> if a resolution issue, it might be set too high, then no video
[10:00] <hobgoblin> shahan_: I think it will be of help to know what gpu it actually is ...  do this in terminal lspci |grep VGA
[10:10] <nlsthzn> Anyone know why freenode.net might be down?
[10:30] <duanedesign> nlsthzn: hello
[10:30] <duanedesign> looks up to me :)
[10:31] <nlsthzn> duanedesign: Let me check again
[10:31] <duanedesign> nlsthzn: what app are you using? Because we are on freenode right now
[10:32] <nlsthzn> I'm going to feel very silly, but doesn't freenode also have a website freenode.net?
[10:32] <duanedesign> nah, we dont let people feel silly. :)
[10:33] <duanedesign> let me see
[10:33] <duanedesign> nlsthzn: but you are right that is their website
[10:33] <nlsthzn> even http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ reports it as down... anyway, lucnh time for me, bbl :)
[10:33] <duanedesign> and..it is down for me too
[10:34] <nlsthzn> duanedesign: K, cool, thanks
[10:34] <duanedesign> have a good lunch
[10:35] <ggeorgy> hi! :|
[10:36] <duanedesign> hello
[10:38] <ggeorgy> can you help me please? how can i install a -.bin file in ubuntu?? ;) thanks!
[10:38] <bioterror> what kind of .bin file that is?
[10:38] <bioterror> where did you get it?
[10:39] <ggeorgy> a game - Savage2Install-2.1.0-i686.bin
[10:40] <bioterror> chmod +x Savage2Install-2.1.0-i686.bin
[10:40] <bioterror> ./Savage2Install-2.1.0-i686.bin
[10:42] <bioterror> ggeorgy, did it work?
[10:43] <ggeorgy> ok it work !!   thanks :)  :|
[10:44] <duanedesign> hello bioterror
[10:44] <bioterror> hi duane
[10:44] <bioterror> how's your saturday
[10:45] <duanedesign> bioterror: are you on the Beginners Team mailing List?
[10:45] <bioterror> seems so
[10:46] <bioterror> you just mailed
[10:46] <duanedesign> yep yep
[10:47] <duanedesign> bioterror: i had some good meetings at UDS. We are moving forward on some of the Action items
[10:49] <bioterror> duanedesign, huh, long mail ;)=
[10:50] <duanedesign> bioterror: heh, yeah it is.
[10:51] <bioterror> nice words
[11:07] <shahan_> need help regarding Display Resolution
[11:08] <shahan_> http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/231/resu.png
[11:08] <shahan_> my monitor is not detecting . I dont know why? I dont use any extra Graphics card
[11:08] <shahan_> its built in Gigabyte G31
[11:09] <duanedesign> bioterror: you like the idea for the Focus Groups?
[11:09] <shahan> .
[11:10] <duanedesign> hello shahan
[11:11] <shahan> duanedesign, hi
[11:11] <shahan> duanedesign, display problem
[11:11] <shahan> :(
[11:12] <shahan> a post on ubuntuforums.org have been made.
[11:12] <shahan> chect the link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1609252
[11:13] <shahan> coming back within 15 mins
[11:19] <duanedesign> shahan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bd/2009-July/004473.html
[11:31] <shahan> duanedesign, hi
[11:31] <shahan> I have backed
[11:33] <shahan> not getting any clearcut idea from the link
[12:04] <nlsthzn> :/ silly Freenode, just realized I haven't "registered" my nick there... I though I just had to use the same one the whole time... silly me :D
[12:36] <cevat> i lost my min max close buttons :(
[12:37] <cevat> i changed them bu did not appair :(
[12:37] <cevat> *theme
[12:38] <cevat> hi, is there anyone?
[12:38] <nlsthzn> cevat:
[12:38] <nlsthzn> cevat: Hi, don't stress to much (yet)
[12:39] <cevat> ok.
[12:40] <nlsthzn> cevat: There are a number of easy terminal commands to get them back (I just can't think of them right now... give us a minute :D)
[12:41] <nlsthzn> in terminal: metacity --replace
[12:41] <nlsthzn> or better press alt+f2 then metacity --replace
[12:42] <cevat> i m using compiz
[12:42] <nlsthzn> that will put back the standard windows borders... for compix there is a similar command
[12:43] <nlsthzn> cevat: compiz --replace
[12:43] <nlsthzn> Got to love Google and the Ubuntu Forums (www.ubuntuforums.org)
[12:44] <cevat> oh, they came back, thank you :)
[12:44] <cevat> and...
[12:44] <cevat> is it a bug?
[12:47] <cevat> last question, is there a shortcut for replacing buttons from left side to right side?
[12:47] <nlsthzn> cevat: Probably not... however if you can reproduce it consistantly make a thread on the Ubuntu forums, see if others are affected and if they found a way around, and if enough evidence is gathered and you feel it is a bug you can file a bug report
[12:47] <nlsthzn> cevat: The buttons on the left are much better :D
[12:48] <nlsthzn> cevat: But if you really have to: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/config-desktop/C/window-button-order.html
[12:48] <cevat> my experience based on ms windows, so right is better :)
[12:49] <AbhiJit> hi
[12:52] <cevat> i think this is an important issue for ms windows immigrants. there must be some shortcut for this issue.
[12:53] <nlsthzn> cevat: You are already on the right path, soon you will find left is better (as is much in Linux land)...
[12:54] <nlsthzn> cevat: I doubt the window placement is really such a big deal for anyone coming from Windows... if that becomes a show stopper for a person he wasn't going to be using anything except Windows for very long anyway...
[12:57] <cevat> nlsthzn, i am interested in human computer interaction. is there a research about this issue, what is users choice, left or right?
[12:58] <nlsthzn> cevat: Well, if it will help I was just reading this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1606436 on the topic of the switch in Ubuntu... there are several other ones on the Forum...
[12:59] <cevat> after 12 years experience, my hand automaticly goes right side, that is not good first experince
[13:01] <zeroseven0183> I prefer the window buttons on the right
[13:01] <zeroseven0183> :-)
[13:01] <nlsthzn> cevat: Within a few days I had gotten used to it... now I very much prefer left... but to each his own, the buttons, like the wallpaper can be changed :D
[13:01] <zeroseven0183> So far, the shortest way for me to change it from left to right whenever I change themes is a bookmarked gconf-editor path
[13:01] <cevat> 75 votes is not enough for this issue
[13:02] <zeroseven0183> Or maybe the Python (I think it is) file that was available before the release of 10.04
[13:03] <nlsthzn> cevat: It is an unofficial vote, just some members giving there opinions... But this is a choice that has been made to make the default to the left, who knows what will happen once Unity is shipped...
[13:08] <Goog_Josh> when i trying to start kaffeine - display next message: "Loading of player part 'XinePart' failed. All Video Drivers failed to initialize!". does anyone know how to solve this problem?
[13:12] <nlsthzn> :/ people sure are in a hurry to get answers to questions it seems... One question, 3 minutes, no answer, gone...
[13:13] <cevat> nlsthzn, when i push headphone jack to my notebook, sound comes booth from headphones and notebook's speakers, i just want to get sound on headphone, is there a shortcut for this?
[13:15] <nlsthzn> cevat: I am not sure... Got to admit that I have not used headphones on any of my systems while running Linux yet (and I switched over completely about two months ago)... I would have thought that the sound to the speakers would automatically cut off when you inserted the phones... odd...
[13:59] <nlsthzn> I have a question regarding PGP keys... I created one, uploaded to the Ubuntu key server... then I re-installed Ubuntu (reformatted etc.)... is it possible for me to "import" my key from the key server or something (I never exported it locally)... or how does this kind of thing work (very new to the whole PGP thing)
[15:03] <geirha> nlsthzn: You can only uplaod the public key to the key server as far as I know.
[15:03] <geirha> And the key you need is the secret key.
[15:04] <geirha> Your best bet is probably to just create a new key to replace it. Unless you have a backup of your previous homedir.
[15:50] <paultag> geirha, yeah he's fscked. You can't create the private half from the public :)
[16:04] <harrisonk> hello
[16:05] <harrisonk> what are some reasons a cd/dvd drive won't work?
[17:35] <cevat> hi
[17:36] <cevat> is there any spesific wine version for ms office 2007 setup?
[17:38] <kosaidpo> cevat: why not to use abiword its pretty cool tho
[17:39] <cevat> abiword?
[17:39] <kosaidpo> yeh its like ms word tho but opensource
[17:39] <kosaidpo> well give it try
[17:40] <cevat> i tryed open office, but i did no like it
[17:40] <kosaidpo> well if u wanna only use sumthin like word for doc use abiword
[17:41] <kosaidpo> and for excel use gnumeric but theres a suit called libreoffice ididnt try it tho
[17:42] <hobgoblin> kosaidpo: libreoffice is not much different to openoffice at the moment I believe
[17:43] <kosaidpo> yehh its a fork well
[17:43] <kosaidpo> try abiword
[17:43] <kosaidpo> i said i nver used libreoffice
[17:43] <hobgoblin> neither have I - I was just letting you know :)
[17:44] <cevat> thanks
[17:44] <cevat> but i want to use ms office
[17:45] <cevat> i have licanse too :(
[17:45] <hobgoblin> try wine then - look at their appdb - http://appdb.winehq.org/
[17:45] <hobgoblin> if it works it works, if it doesn't then use windows for it
[17:46] <cevat> other alternative? just wine for .net platform?
[17:46] <AbhiJit> !vm
[17:46] <ubot2> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[17:46] <AbhiJit> cevat, you looking for what?
[17:47] <hobgoblin> cevat: sorry - I don't use wine
[17:47] <cevat> for set up ms office 2007
[17:47] <AbhiJit> ok
[17:48] <hobgoblin> cevat: look at the appdb - search for office and look at what it says
[17:48] <cevat> ok, thank you
[19:24] <karthick87> hobgoblin: hi :)
[19:24] <hobgoblin> hi
[19:24] <hobgoblin> hi karthick87
[19:25] <karthick87> how are you..?
[19:25] <hobgoblin> pretty good ty - it's been a relaxed day
[19:26] <karthick87> great :)
[19:27] <hobgoblin> yep - how has your day been
[19:27] <karthick87> yea not bad
[20:07] <Daniel0108> hi :D
[20:08] <aveilleux> Hello
[20:08] <Daniel0108> whats up?
[20:09] <aveilleux> Not much
[20:18] <Daniel0108> okay :P
[20:18] <nlsthzn> Hey it's people, hello people :D
[20:19] <Daniel0108> hey :D
[20:19] <nlsthzn> Much happening on this Saturday?
[20:20] <Daniel0108> not really :)
[20:20] <nlsthzn> Sounds good
[20:20] <Daniel0108> just a bit programming xD
[20:22] <pedro3005> hi Daniel0108
[20:22] <pedro3005> what are you programming?
[20:22] <Daniel0108> a game in c++ and sdl :)
[20:22] <nlsthzn> I want to play SC2, but I am too tired, so rather than sleep I troll IRC and watch youtube movies of people playing SC2...
[20:22] <pedro3005> oh hey that sounds cool
[20:23] <Daniel0108> yeah, it is :)
[20:23] <Daniel0108> can you program too?
[20:23] <pedro3005> yeah
[20:23] <pedro3005> are you familiar with project euler?
[20:23] <Daniel0108> no, not really :P
[20:24] <Daniel0108> which languages are you programming?
[20:24] <pedro3005> I know C and Python
[20:24] <pedro3005> it's a very cool website with math/programming challenges
[20:24] <pedro3005> I was revisiting my solution of problem 79
[20:26] <Daniel0108> ah, cool :)
[20:26] <Daniel0108> can you give me the link?
[20:26] <Daniel0108> c is good :)
[20:27] <Daniel0108> i know Perl, PHP, C, C++, MySQL, Ajax, JavaScript and a bit Java
[20:27] <pedro3005> http://projecteuler.net/
[20:28] <Daniel0108> thanks
[20:28] <pedro3005> Python is very good too
[20:28] <Daniel0108> can you explain me what I can do when I register on project euler?
[20:29] <pedro3005> click on problems
[20:29] <pedro3005> you'll see a vast number of them
[20:29] <Daniel0108> okay
[20:29] <pedro3005> click on the problem and enter the solution
[20:29] <pedro3005> (numeric solution)
[20:30] <Daniel0108> and what do I get if I solve a problem?
[20:31] <pedro3005> well, personal satisfaction
[20:31] <pedro3005> knowledge
[20:31] <pedro3005> and the "problems solved" count will increase by 1
[20:31] <Daniel0108> oh, okay, so it's just for fun?
[20:31] <pedro3005> pretty much
[20:31] <Daniel0108> okay
[20:31] <Daniel0108> cool
[20:31] <Daniel0108> for how long are you using ubuntu?
[20:32] <pedro3005> I started using it abour 2 years ago
[20:32] <pedro3005> but right now I'm using Arch
[20:32] <Daniel0108> oh cool :)
[20:32] <Daniel0108> oh ;)
[20:33] <Daniel0108> I use Ubuntu since 3 years ago(with Dual boot) since 1 year I only have ubuntu on my pc
[20:33] <pedro3005> and I just begun programming earlier this year
[20:33] <Daniel0108> and I'm using linux since my whole live :P
[20:33] <Daniel0108> *life
[20:33] <Daniel0108> xD
[20:34] <Daniel0108> what if I fail, solving a problem?
[20:34] <Daniel0108> can I try again, till I get it?
[20:34] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: It's not a contest
[20:34] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: You just work at it until you get it
[20:35] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: It's a learning experience
[20:35] <Daniel0108> okay, cool :)
[20:36] <pedro3005> hey aveilleux
[20:36] <Daniel0108> hey :D
[20:36] <pedro3005> so you begun with euler too?
[20:36] <aveilleux> pedro3005: Not yet
[20:37] <Daniel0108> cool, I have to solve the problem through programming ;)
[20:37] <pedro3005> indeed
[20:37] <pedro3005> that's the fun part
[20:42] <MichelleQ1> Hi all
[20:44] <Daniel0108> hi
[21:10] <Daniel0108> anyone new to ubuntu? :)
[21:12] <starcraftman> my zerglings maybe, but not I. Daniel0108 :)
[21:13] <Daniel0108> okay :)
[21:13] <starcraftman> Daniel0108: need anything?
[21:13] <Daniel0108> no, not really :)
[21:13] <starcraftman> oh and hi MichelleQ1, see your over here too.
[21:13] <MichelleQ1> yup!
[21:13] <Daniel0108> just wanted to help new ubuntu users :)
[21:13] <starcraftman> Daniel0108: good stuff. Nice to have you and MichelleQ1 in channel :)
[21:14]  * starcraftman wishes he had more time lately.
[21:14] <Daniel0108> :)
[21:15] <MichelleQ1> starcraftman: thanks!
[21:19] <hobgoblin> Daniel0108: they will appear as if by magic just when you least want it :)
[21:19] <Daniel0108> ;) okay :P
[21:59] <Daniel0108> Byeee :D see ya tomorrow ;)


[04:21] <Kilos> morning all
[05:48] <Langjan> Good morning all
[06:01] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:46] <nsnzero> morning all - have a lovely day everyone
[12:37] <Langjan> Hi
[12:59] <Langjan> You there Kilos?
[14:15] <Kilos> yesir Langjan
[14:16] <Kilos> sorry ian was using lappy to teamview a client
[14:30] <Langjan> No prob my friend as long as you're OK
[14:30] <Langjan> Did you satisfy your client?
[14:31] <Kilos> me??
[14:31] <Kilos> what client
[14:31] <Kilos> he satiskied his biometrics client yes
[14:31] <Langjan> Oh sorry, it was Ian
[14:31] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:31] <Langjan> lmga!
[14:31] <Kilos> you ok sir?
[14:32] <Langjan> Fine thks Kilos
[14:32] <Langjan> watchin the cricket with one eye
[14:32] <Kilos> i might even install win7 on desktop and see if i can learn more about biometrics stuff
[14:32] <Langjan> How are you today?
[14:33] <Kilos> just a bit easily tired but otherwise ok ty
[14:33] <Kilos> im not used to being an old man just yet
[14:33] <Kilos> debs calls me her wrinkled old man
[14:33] <Kilos> cheeky woman
[14:34] <Langjan> Lmga!
[14:35] <Langjan> Is Ian into biometrics professionally?
[14:36] <Kilos> yes he runs his own company
[14:36] <Langjan> Contracting?
[14:36] <Kilos> he installs scanners and timekeeping machines for a whole pile of companies
[14:37] <Kilos> then does the support and maintenance
[14:37] <Kilos> soends half his life on a cell explaining to clients what to do next
[14:37] <Kilos> spends
[14:38] <Langjan> Good,sounds like hes doing well
[14:39] <Kilos> only been going just over a year now i think, and seems to me his biggest hassle is getting payments in
[14:39] <Kilos> everyone tries to push the 90 days limit i think
[14:40] <Kilos> when he comes in again ill get the link for his site for yo and you can spread the word too
[14:40] <Langjan> Best survival rate in business is via cash up front.
[14:40] <Langjan> Good, do that
[14:40] <Langjan> What did the bus-chasing dog do when he eventually caught one?
[14:42] <Kilos> dunno he forgot as well i spose
[14:43] <Langjan> I'm sort-of there now
[14:44] <Kilos> lol
[14:44] <Kilos> ive been there done that
[14:44] <Kilos> you stop abruptly and say oops what was this all about
[14:47] <Langjan> I managed to squeeze a good 160 GB drive into my desktop as extra storage for my ssd which is only 120 GB
[14:47] <Langjan> It has win xp
[14:48] <Langjan> How do I utilise it optimally?
[14:48] <Kilos> the second drive?
[14:48] <Langjan> Nothing on there now that I need except perhaps the space in future
[14:48] <Langjan> yes
[14:50] <Langjan> It shows up as 160 GB volume and I can access it from Ubuntu so perhaps I dont need to do anything except to just use it as exra storage
[14:51] <Langjan> ?
[14:52] <Kilos> yes you can store there
[14:52] <Langjan> So just leave well enough alone and use it when I need it
[14:53] <Langjan> Dont need to break it...
[14:53] <Kilos> i used to run ubuntu on one drive and win on another and choose which one to boot from
[14:53] <Kilos> maybe
[14:53] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:53] <Kilos> if you run
[14:53] <Langjan> I can boot from it also if necessary
[14:53] <Kilos> um
[14:53] <Kilos> boot-repair it will add it in grub
[14:54] <Kilos> then you can choose at grub menu
[14:54] <Langjan> itas already in grub via update-grug
[14:54] <Kilos> great
[14:54] <Langjan> grub
[14:56] <Langjan> Juanitas system is running well, dual boot on win 7 on 50 GB in the back and booting on 14.04 on 200 GB
[14:56] <Langjan> nsnzero helped well
[14:58] <Kilos> great im glad
[14:59] <Langjan> OK I will love and leave you, have a good evening
[14:59] <Kilos> wait
[14:59] <Langjan> waiting
[15:00] <Kilos> ian says
[15:00] <Kilos> he getting link
[15:00] <Langjan> ok
[15:01] <Kilos> he says if you get anyone to join they must say you sent them
[15:01] <Kilos> xsm.co.za/x/index.html
[15:01] <Langjan> ok thks
[15:01] <Kilos> and then you get commision
[15:02] <Kilos> now you may love and leave me
[15:02] <Kilos> hehe
[15:02] <Kilos> ty for the visit
[15:02] <Kilos> :D
[15:02] <Kilos> even a smiley
[15:03] <Kilos> feel honoured
[15:03] <Langjan> Thanks, I do! Site looks interesting, I see he is still working on the website
[15:04] <Kilos> most of his business has been word of mouth so far
[15:04] <Kilos> make one client happy and he tells 2 more kinda thing
[15:04] <Langjan> Thats the best form of advertising
[15:05] <Langjan> The foundation of network marketing
[15:05] <Kilos> quite a few clients have left jhb peeps to come to him because service is better
[15:05] <Langjan> Great! Wish him well and congratulations from me
[15:05] <Kilos> ty i will
[15:06] <Langjan> Family man?
[15:06] <Kilos> nope not married
[15:06] <Kilos> old gigolo kinda guy
[15:06] <Kilos> love them all and marry none
[15:06] <Langjan> Like my oldest son, now 37
[15:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:07] <Kilos> ian is 40 or 41
[15:08] <Langjan> Getting on but still can happen...
[15:08] <Langjan> OK Kilos take good care
[15:08] <Kilos> he says he will get the right one one day
[15:08] <Langjan> Good
[15:08] <Kilos> ty Langjan all the best there
[15:09] <Langjan> Or she will get him! Lmga
[15:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:09] <Langjan> Thet crafty creatures
[15:09] <Kilos> my dad used to say
[15:09] <Kilos> he chased my mom till she caught him
[15:09] <Langjan> Lol!
[15:09] <Langjan> Ok cheers, chat again soon
[15:10] <Kilos> cheers oom
[17:32] <nsnzero> cant seem to find a nice voice for espeak
[18:57] <Kilos> news on the fly
[18:57] <Kilos> [20:56] <MajB> He already feels at home and has already applied for and been accepted as an AZLOCO member
[21:19] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos ek's nog hier oom. Net sonder rekenaar op die oomblik, so gebruik my foon
[21:19] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[21:32] <inetpro> hi superfly, how are you doing?
[21:34] <superfly> inetpro: fine, just getting settled
[21:35] <inetpro> nice to hear that
[21:41]  * inetpro calling it a day
[21:41] <inetpro> good night
[22:32] <squish102> superfly, a good website to look for deals on computers is slickdeals.net
[22:33] <squish102> just watch it there for awhile until something you like comes up
[22:35] <squish102> different topic, i have a couple servers with 2 cpu, 14 core and 512 gig memory in my lab doing nothing
[22:37] <squish102> anything i could do with them.... if they make me a little change, even better
[22:37] <squish102> don't have much internet BW, only 50Mbit
[22:38] <squish102> wish it was a 1G or 10G connection :(


[00:24] <kklimonda> can someone take a look at bug 658069 ?
[00:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 658069 in gvfs (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Empty files written over gvfs by some editors (affects: 29) (dups: 3) (heat: 120)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658069
[00:38] <Cimi> I'm in Orlando!
[00:38] <Cimi> amazing place here guys
[00:40] <kklimonda> Cimi: how's the weather?
[00:40] <fagan> kklimonda: isnt it winter in florida this time of the year
[00:40] <fagan> so it should be cold and wet
[00:41] <kklimonda> fagan: how cold is cold for florida? ;)
[00:42] <fagan> well I mean like raining hurricane style cold ish time of the year
[00:42] <Cimi> kklimonda: sunshine
[00:42] <Cimi> now it's evening
[00:42] <kklimonda> this is actually a serious question - I still have to pack my bags ;)
[00:42] <Cimi> but the sky is clear
[00:42]  * RAOF opens a note for clothes packing.
[00:44]  * fagan always packs the wrong things when going international
[01:04] <Cimi> kklimonda: 80°F/30°C
[01:05] <kklimonda> Cimi: holy...
[01:05] <Cimi> kklimonda: where are you from?
[01:05] <kklimonda> it's going to be fun
[01:05] <Cimi> kklimonda: there's a huge pool :)
[01:06] <kklimonda> Cimi: Poland, it's around 4C here at the moment :)
[01:06] <Cimi> kklimonda: so, it's like august in poland :)
[01:06] <kklimonda> right, and I've lived through one August this year ;)
[01:06] <Cimi> I'm from italy, the weather feels like june in my country
[01:06] <RAOF> Mmm, midsummer.
[01:06] <Tenyuu> does anyone know how to set shortcut keys to adjust backlight brightness? the only I can change my brightness is with the brightness applet, can anyone help me?
[01:07] <kklimonda> Cimi: right, you are better suited for this weather ;)
[01:08] <Cimi> kklimonda: are you coming tomorrow?
[01:10] <kklimonda> Cimi: no, I arrive at sunday as a part of our awesome community :)
[01:13] <Cimi> kklimonda: ok cool ;)
[06:18] <pitti> Good morning
[06:28]  * TheMuso sighs. Another big merge done. I aint a fan of them big merges.
[08:24] <ara> TheMuso, ping
[10:04] <dpm> hi mvo! Do you think it would be possible to have an aptdaemon maverick SRU with exported translations from Launchpad? They were not exported before release, and thus all authentication-related messages in Software Center appear untranslated. I've exported the translations from Launchpad and attached them to the bug to make it a bit easier to fix: bug 655642
[10:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655642 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Translations of .policy files were not exported (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655642
[10:09] <mvo> dpm: yes
[10:10] <mvo> dpm: I can do this
[10:10] <mvo> dpm: and thanks for your work on this!
[10:10] <dpm> mvo, awesome, thanks!
[10:11] <mvo> yw!
[10:59] <dpm> hi all, could someone give a hand with bug 451673 for an SRU? Yelp needs translations to be built with the package to appear translated. I've attached the translations exported from LP to the bug to make it a bit easier to fix
[10:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 451673 in yelp (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Untranslated Yelp main page (Ubuntu Help Center) (affects: 3) (heat: 22)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451673
[14:21] <cyphermox> hey
[14:24] <kenvandine> hey cyphermox
[14:24] <cyphermox> kenvandine, key
[14:32] <mvo> cyphermox: great work on synaptic, you rock!
[14:32] <mvo> cyphermox: I did some minor tweaks too, please merge from my branch too
[14:33] <cyphermox> ok!
[14:34] <cyphermox> it's still not all working though... I think there's still a lot missing (unless you already fixed all the combo boxes ;)
[14:34] <mvo> I mostly tweaks the stuff around, like configure.in and debian/rules and po etc
[14:34] <cyphermox> ah, cool
[14:34] <mvo> it bzr-buildpackage now fine
[15:13]  * pitti 0(*#$'s; how hard can it be to determine how wide a label text wants to be??
[15:19] <rickspencer3> pitti, having fun with gtk?
[15:19] <pitti> yes
[15:20] <rickspencer3> pitti, I thought there was a function to tell you a label's text's length in pixels
[15:20] <pitti> rickspencer3: there ought to be :)
[15:20] <rickspencer3> I seem to recall seeing it in reference docs somewhere, but don't think I ever did it
[15:30] <rodrigo_> today (in 2 hours) meeting, right?
[15:33] <mterry> pitti, in a height-for-width context, it can be hard.  You want to know how long it is without wrapping?  pango has a function for that I believe
[15:34] <pitti> mterry: I found something like gtk_label_get_layout() and then pango_layout_get_pixel_size (), I'm trying that now
[15:34] <mterry> pitti, if you're talking gtk2, I think you can just query how much width the label has requested (size_request)
[15:34] <pitti> mterry: already tried that, and it's always -1
[15:34] <mterry> pitti, sounds like the label hasn't "realized" itself yet
[15:34] <pitti> it is, I'm printing it on size changes, etc.
[15:35] <pitti> gtk_widget_get_allocation() is another possibility, but that gives me the actual size, not the one that the text would have
[15:35] <pitti> it's about the time/date string on the panel, and if I set the panel to vertical, it's chopped off
[15:35]  * pitti -> meeting now
[15:35] <mterry> pitti, hmm, I must be forgetting some reason it's -1.  but if no wrapping, pango layout is the way to go
[15:35] <pitti> mterry: ok, thanks
[15:38] <mvo> pitti: you might look at update-manager for a workaround for the missing height-for-width stuff with labels
[15:38] <pitti> actually, it seems that this works:
[15:39] <pitti>     pango_layout_get_pixel_size (gtk_label_get_layout (GTK_LABEL (datetime->date_label)), &w, &h);
[15:39] <kenvandine> facebook says they are going to stop ignoring developers... so please everyone go vote on http://is.gd/g8ce0
[15:39] <mterry> That won't include any widget or style padding or whatnot but yeah
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, i have to create an account to vote?
[15:42] <kenvandine> yeah... that sucks :/
[15:42] <kenvandine> you don't have to vote... but i really want as many votes as we can get :)
[15:43] <kklimonda> kenvandine: facebook seriously limits api calls per application and not per user/applicatin?
[15:43] <kenvandine> yes
[15:43] <kklimonda> that's.. insane
[15:43] <kenvandine> indeed!
[15:43] <ara> rickspencer3, can you please point me to some documentation on how to create quickly plugins?
[15:43] <kenvandine> and tons of people have complained and begged for help... but facebook just ignores it
[15:44] <kenvandine> however they now claim they are going to stop ignoring!
[15:44] <kenvandine> so we'll see :)
[15:45] <rickspencer3> ara, not sure what you're looking for, do you mean a new template?
[15:45] <rickspencer3> if so, didrocks has some good stuff on his blog, but he's not around atm, he's traveling to FL
[15:46] <ara> rickspencer3, OK, I'll check his blog. And now that I know the terminology, I might find something ;-)
[15:46] <rickspencer3> :)
[17:00] <czajkowski> kenvandine: did you have any luck with contacts in FB re your blog post?
[17:01] <kenvandine> enough that someone moved it from unconfirmed to NEW
[17:01] <kenvandine> but the more votes the better...
[17:01] <kenvandine> if it gets enough votes, it will end up being tracked on the platform status page
[17:11] <czajkowski> kenvandine: mind if I pm you a comment from a fb enginner
[17:11] <kenvandine> czajkowski, please do :)
[17:15] <asac> kenvandine: i cannot add a second twitter account to gwibber? ;)
[17:16]  * asac not sure if its a smart idea i first place
[17:17] <OwaisL> guys, as a user I must say, Gwibber is the worst client I've seen.
[17:17]  * OwaisL ready to dodge bullets. Matrix style. :P
[17:18] <OwaisL> gwibber-service is cool. but the client. UI is terrible.. I mean look at any.. i mean ANY twitter or FB client. all are better.
[17:19] <OwaisL> I think it should be re-written.
[17:19] <czajkowski> kenvandine: see it pays to blog for help
[17:19] <asac> OwaisL: write a better UI then ;)
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i would have voted if i didn't have to create an account
[17:19]  * asac fires fast bullets
[17:19] <asac> hehe
[17:19] <OwaisL> asac: haha.. I might have to do that if no one does.
[17:19] <kenvandine> yeah, i should blog more often
[17:19] <OwaisL> asac, i got one in the arm.. damn you.
[17:20] <kenvandine> asac, does it think you are already logged in as the other use?
[17:20] <asac> OwaisL: the natty cycle is just starting ;) ... so time to start on writing this
[17:20] <asac> kenvandine: i hit "add ..." ... select "twitter" ... then hit the "Add" button and then it shows me my current twitter account
[17:20] <asac> and allows me to hit authorize button
[17:20] <asac> while i hoped i could select a 2nd user id
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> hi asac!
[17:21] <asac> good evining chrisccoulson
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> how are you? looking forward to UDS?
[17:21] <kenvandine> asac, right... ok there is already a bug filed about that
[17:21] <asac> heh
[17:21] <kenvandine> asac, webkit has cached the session or something
[17:21] <asac> chrisccoulson: i am today still on vacation. tomorrow all comes back and i have to do lots of planning etc.
[17:21] <kenvandine> we need to clear that
[17:21] <asac> kenvandine: kk
[17:21] <kenvandine> i'll try to look at it this week :)
[17:21] <asac> chrisccoulson: but otherwise yes. i hope i can hop in the pool ;)
[17:22]  * kenvandine has re-factored the crap out of gwibber this week already :)
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> asac - did you know we have some guys from mozillamessaging at UDS next week?
[17:22]  * kenvandine looks forward to being about to have individual packages for service plugins
[17:22] <asac> chrisccoulson: i know that david ascher wanted to come ... who else?
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> asac - bryan clark and david ascher are both going to be there
[17:22] <asac> cool
[17:22] <asac> chrisccoulson: any nice sessions for tbird?
[17:22] <asac> saw you added like 3 under the app selection track
[17:23] <kenvandine> asac, i also played with auto-saving on success but need to review that more
[17:23]  * asac is unsure whether "indicator support for tbird" really belongs to the pacckaging selection track
[17:24] <asac> kenvandine: where do your gwibber specs live this cycle?
[17:24] <asac> other?
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> asac - i didn't put it there - it was originally in "other"
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> but they got renamed ;)
[17:24] <asac> heh
[17:24] <asac> ok
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> rick created a general thunderbird blueprint
[17:24] <asac> right
[17:24] <kenvandine> asac,  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-gwibber-enhancements
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> i need to do some planning really but i'm having gcc-4.5 issues
[17:25] <asac> kenvandine: so work to be done against upstream is "appdevs"?
[17:25] <kenvandine> well, best i could figure
[17:25] <kenvandine> app selection, etc
[17:25] <kenvandine> asac, i really struggled picking a category
[17:25] <asac> heh... multimedia- ;)
[17:26] <asac> social network is kind of a media ... so part of multi-media ;)
[17:26] <kenvandine> i fear there will be a long list for "other"
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> i put all of mine under other ;)
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> and then most got renamed
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> i wish launchpad would tell me when somebody renames them
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> i only realised when all of my links were dead
[17:29] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:30] <asac> right. lets see
[17:30] <asac> who runs the "other" track?
[17:35] <czajkowski> kenvandine: logged all my niggly bugs, thanks
[17:35] <kenvandine> woot
[17:35] <kenvandine> link me please
[17:36] <kenvandine> although i think i do actually get notified of new bugs now, finally
[17:36] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/663376
[17:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663376 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Multicolumn doesn't remember layout after restart (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:36] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/663378
[17:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663378 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "replying to a @message in the indicator messes up the multicolumn display (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:37] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/663377
[17:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663377 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "No notification of Direct messages (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:40] <kenvandine> czajkowski, thx
[17:47] <glatzor> bye mvo!
[17:47] <glatzor> mvo, here is a "broken" debhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/clutterflow/files/banshee-extension-clutterflow.deb/download package
[17:47] <glatzor> mvo, here is a "broken" deb http://sourceforge.net/projects/clutterflow/files/banshee-extension-clutterflow.deb/download package
[17:48] <glatzor> mvo, i have to get home. already late :) see you
[17:50] <devildante> mvo: around?
[18:03] <and471> mvo, hey, is there a blueprint for software-updater at UDS?
[18:10] <czajkowski> and471: you can search all bp via https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n
[18:10] <devildante> and471: btw, did you do any progress with software-updater?
[18:10] <kklimonda>  /b 8
[18:10] <kklimonda> sigh
[18:11] <and471> devildante, not much beyond since I last spoke about it
[18:11] <and471> devildante, I stopped o that it could be discussed at UDS so I knew that what I was working was definitely going to be adopted
[18:11] <and471> czajkowski, thanks
[18:12] <and471> czajkowski, tho it was a kind of "if he hadn't, he should do" :)
[18:13] <devildante> it seems mvo is quite quiet these days...
[18:13] <devildante> rather silent
[18:13] <asac> jcastro: i renamed a blueprint a while back and now its broken on summit schedule ... will this recover on its own? or do i need to do something?
[18:14] <and471> devildante, I guess he is eating
[18:14] <devildante> ah
[18:14] <jcastro> asac: when did you rename it?
[18:15] <jcastro> asac: drag it off the schedule, wait an hour, and then it should autoschedule
[18:15] <asac> jcastro: ok dragging off is required?
[18:15] <asac> i think i renamed it 1-2h ago
[18:15] <jcastro> probably
[18:15] <asac> but not 100% sure
[18:15] <jcastro> nor me
[18:15] <asac> let me just wait another few
[18:16] <asac> jcastro: but well done that it picks up the linaro bps ;)... thanks!
[18:16] <asac> was just magic!
[18:16] <jcastro> asac: that's all Daviey
[18:17] <jcastro> I am just the mean cop making people rename things
[18:17] <asac> thanks daviey ... lets collect and get a bunch of beers for him!
[18:17]  * Daviey perks up
[18:18] <Daviey> Ah, renames aren't currently well handled... you will find you have a duplicate session :/
[18:18] <Daviey> asac: go into the admin UI and delete the old one. It's under http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/meeting/
[18:20] <asac> Daviey: ok great. but the new name gets scheduled?
[18:20] <Daviey> yes
[18:21] <devildante> what's the timezone in the schedule?  I'm going to be able to attend UDS for only a bit and was wondering if there was a particular day or two that would be good for meeting people and putting faces to names. So then people will know who to visualize when they're cursing me :-)
[19:00] <mvo> hey devildante - looks like we are currently unlucky when it comes to timing :) when you come online I usually left already
[19:01] <mvo> devildante: you are on OMGubuntu :)
[19:01] <mvo> devildante: and your branch is cool, I just would like to see a additional check that the unused app will not remove ubuntu-desktop if it gets removed
[19:04] <kenvandine> asac, my bug is up to #12 on the facebook most popular list :)  yay to community!
[19:05] <asac> wow
[19:05] <asac> seems not many are contributing to fb then ;)
[19:05] <asac> (if ubuntu community can matter)
[19:05] <asac> user question from stupid me: how do i officially get a new place in the "Places" menu? like $HOME/Downloads ?
[19:06] <kenvandine> asac, i think that is called a bookmark in nautilus
[19:06]  * asac found a menu and tries
[19:06] <asac> hmm "Add Bookmarks ..." does nothing
[19:07] <asac> and "Edit bookmarks" has no "add" button ;)
[19:07] <kenvandine> just did for me
[19:07] <charlie-tca> drag the folder to the left column
[19:07] <asac> where?
[19:07] <asac> oh
[19:07] <asac> i am in spatial mode ;)
[19:07] <kenvandine> so browse to the folder you want and "Bookmarks->Add bookmark
[19:07] <kenvandine> ah!
[19:07] <asac> ah let me try that
[19:07]  * kenvandine forgot that even existed :)
[19:08] <asac> ok now i understand ... add bookmark adds the current folder
[19:08] <asac> that was not really clear to me ;)
[19:08] <icek> hi, my eth0 was getting an ip on dhcp but now it wont work, it keeps saying no DHCPOFFERS received.....  it was working just great now it wont work :/ its plugged into my router any advice?
[19:08] <asac> yeah it did it
[19:09] <asac> but i want a special icon for Downloads ... like Documents Videos etc.
[19:09] <asac> anyway ... thats good enough
[19:09]  * asac finally took this measure to stop his Desktop from overflowing with zillion of downloads
[21:21] <cyphermox> pitti, ping
[22:00] <xteejx> Hi all
[22:01] <xteejx> libchamplain wants to install 2 build-deps, libgirepository1.0-dev and gir-repository-dev
[22:01] <xteejx> both provide some or all of the same files, but not sure which to remove/install
[22:02] <xteejx> Anyone able to help please?
[22:02] <geser> xteejx: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gir-repository and check the changelog entry for the recent natty upload :)
[22:05] <xteejx> geser: I see reference to gir, but I'm confused, sorry
[22:06] <geser> xteejx: the file conflict got resolved in the most recent upload (-6ubuntu10) but as it FTBFS you still only have the old debs available (with the file conflict)
[22:07] <xteejx> so apt-get upgrade?
[22:07] <geser> yes, once the FTBFS got resolved
[22:07] <xteejx> but -6ubuntu10 was published 4 days ago?
[22:08] <geser> the source but it failed to build
[22:08] <xteejx> ohhh gir ftbfs I see, so that needs fixed first?
[22:09] <geser> yes
[22:09] <xteejx> geser: Ok, thanks for clearing that up, I'll get on it :)
[22:09] <geser> then you get the debs for -6ubuntu10 you need to install both build-dependencies of libchamplin to check if the FTBFS is fixed there too
[22:10] <xteejx> Ahhh that makes sense now
[22:10] <xteejx> Thanks again geser :)
[22:11] <xteejx> geser: gir is in main, are we allowed to work on ftbfs for those?
[22:11] <geser> xteejx: you should perhaps ask seb128 if he (or somebody) else is already working on this before you do double work
[22:12] <xteejx> that answers my question then :)
[22:12] <geser> xteejx: sure, why not. You just need a sponsor who can upload it for you.
[22:12] <xteejx> cool :)
[23:29] <ronoc> shuerhaaken, hey just fetched the update
[23:29] <ronoc> but now there is no plugin option for the sound menu ?
[23:30] <shuerhaaken> hello conor
[23:30] <ronoc> hows it going ?
[23:30] <shuerhaaken> the soundmenu is back in
[23:30] <ronoc> oh cool
[23:30] <shuerhaaken> fine
[23:30] <shuerhaaken> how about you
[23:30] <ronoc> grand in Orlando for a pre ?
[23:30] <ronoc> UDS sprint
[23:30] <shuerhaaken> stress gone after release of maverick?
[23:30] <ronoc> pretty much
[23:31] <ronoc> getting ready for natty development
[23:31] <ronoc> prototyping some nice pulse stuff at the moment
[23:32] <shuerhaaken> pulse stuff?
[23:32] <ronoc> recording streams straight from the server, and trying to automatically identify using the echonest audio fingerprinting api
[23:32] <ronoc> yup
[23:32] <shuerhaaken> nice!
[23:32] <ronoc> aye
[23:33] <shuerhaaken> pulse audio has  this stream tagging
[23:33] <ronoc> stream tagging ?
[23:34] <shuerhaaken> i'm not sure how it is called
[23:34] <shuerhaaken> i updated xnoise plugins four hours ago. with soundmenu
[23:34] <shuerhaaken> for maverick
[23:34] <ronoc> oh great
[23:34] <ronoc> will take down
[23:35] <shuerhaaken> i had bad critiques after the last release
[23:35] <ronoc> oh how come
[23:35] <shuerhaaken> not good for large collections
[23:35] <ronoc> UI response
[23:35] <ronoc> yeah I read about that
[23:35] <ronoc> will test later and come back to you if I notice anything
[23:36] <ronoc> going go for a run !
[23:36] <ronoc> get healthy !
[23:36] <ronoc> talk later
[23:36] <shuerhaaken> ok. bye
[23:55] <icek> hey, i set up a router ubuntu-server   i used dhcpd and firestarter but now i want to use cacti to do cool analysis and graphs to watch my network.... how do i do this? just install cacti?
[23:56] <micahg> icek: try asking in #ubuntu-server


[11:23] <fekle> hi! does anyone know a way to install a newer version than cloud-init 0.7.5 on CentOS 7 ? any repos/rpms?
[11:24] <fekle> this old version in centos7 unfortunately doesn't work with openstack and chef, as discussed here yesterday.
[11:25] <fekle> i tried installing the fedora 25 package, however it doesn't install due to python abi differences (centos is 3.4, cloud init wants 3.5)
[15:37] <powersj> https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/323246
[15:37] <powersj> Enables artful
[17:41] <rharper> powersj: I'm trying to build the centos7 rpm in lxd container with smoser's gist, and there looks to be some unittest failures for non-ubuntu; known issue? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24461774/
[17:42] <powersj> rharper: I saw those as well
[17:42] <powersj> haven't put in a fix yet or looked into what to do
[17:42] <rharper> ok, I can push a MR with fixes
[17:42] <rharper> it's just not mocking out distro properly
[17:43] <smoser> that isnt specific to centos
[17:44] <rharper> non debian will fail
[17:44] <rharper> if that's what you mean
[17:44] <smoser> it should not be looking at that path, ever. (/etc/cloud/)
[17:44] <smoser> how would that pass on my desktop ?
[17:44] <rharper> I dunno, it works today, right ? nosetests ?
[17:45] <rharper> pretty strange
[17:45] <rharper> I don't have those files but trunk passes locally
[17:49] <smoser> yeah, you're right. its not mocking distro properly i think
[17:50] <smoser> those tests *have* passed before in centos and even python 2.6
[17:50] <smoser> see e8730078df8c99696b1b684e09c803eef7c4926c
[17:56] <rharper> hrm
[17:57] <rharper> smoser: I think it's fallout from us not running apt unless there is config
[18:01] <rharper> yeah
[18:01] <rharper> we pass an empty config 'apt: {}'  which then prevents the default apt templating from firing
[18:02] <rharper> if you pass a non-empty apt config, then it passes;  what I can't understand yet is why it passes on ubuntu but fails under centos
[18:03] <rharper> e80dbb80987ba44be2899e34fbbbf7d48389b6b5
[18:03] <rharper> so, on ubuntu we have the apt command
[18:03] <rharper> but on centos we dont
[18:05] <smoser> right
[18:06] <rharper> shall I send a PR or do you want to fix ?
[18:10] <smoser> if you have it, please do
[18:11] <smoser> realisitcly we shoudl be mockking the which calls
[18:11] <smoser> rharper, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24461986/ <-- is another piece of it
[18:13] <rharper> smoser: only a simple workaround (adding non-zero config to the dict passed to the apt_configure module)
[18:13] <smoser> actually, iguess ew dont need the importlib portions . those fell out from trying to run tox on the tests/vmtests/
[18:13] <rharper> vmtest?
[18:13] <smoser> er... integration tests
[18:14] <smoser> the default 'tox -e centos6' ran on tests/
[18:14] <rharper> gotcha
[18:14] <smoser> which failed, and i saw it needed importlib
[18:14] <smoser> but didnt' realize that was from the tests/cloudtests
[18:21] <smoser> rharper, i'll look
[18:21] <smoser> i think i have areasonable way
[18:23] <rharper> smoser: ok
[18:23]  * rharper built a centos7 rpm anyhow to test passthrough network
[18:41] <blackboxsw> ok smoser powersj rharper i have an cut at github travis integration for unit tests ++ a project README https://github.com/blackboxsw/cloud-init/pull/1
[18:42] <blackboxsw> had to sort out hithub's default clone depth of 50 not being enough to "see" our latest official tag so tools/read-version wasn't working in the travis env.
[18:45] <blackboxsw> you'll notice the above PR has travis PR checks voting on the merge request. I am still working on jenkins integration which would also give us integration test votes on the project.
[19:00] <powersj> blackboxsw: this is awesome
[19:44] <smoser> rharper, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/323265
[19:54] <rharper> smoser: reading
[20:19] <rharper> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24462666/  ;  where would we get python-oauthlib for centos 7 ?
[20:21] <smoser> its there on cent6
[20:22] <rharper> I'm on 7
[20:23] <rharper> maybe bad mirror ?
[20:23] <rharper> I see it in my cent7 lxd container
[20:27] <smoser> rharper, i dont love that set of tests as it is
[20:27] <smoser> the and i dont love one more level of indentation for every patch
[20:27] <smoser> actually, the docroartor on that fuction would have owrked i think.
[20:27] <rharper> I don't either
[20:28] <smoser> oh. but patch.object doesnt decorate
[20:28] <rharper> you don't need to patch object
[20:28] <smoser> or does it
[20:28] <smoser> your'e right, but thats what it does now
[20:28] <rharper> you can even just patch it outright before calling the function via an add_patch()
[20:28] <rharper> or decorator
[20:30] <smoser> add_patch () ?
[20:35] <rharper> one of the base unittest classes added an add_patch method
[20:35] <rharper> which does an auto start and stop on remove
[20:35] <rharper> hrm
[20:35] <rharper> guess not, we have that one in curtin
[20:35] <rharper> it's handy
[20:37] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24462767/
[20:37] <rharper> looks like the maas centos image doesn't have epel-release package installed by default
[20:37] <rharper> so that's why it didn't find python-oauthlib
[20:38] <rharper> rather annoying that the lxd image and the centos image in maas aren't the same despite being the same release (7.3.116  or something)
[22:09] <rharper> smoser: harlowja: just updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1603533/ ;  I built cent7 rpm , installed it but it complains at runtime;
[22:09] <rharper> thanks ubot5
[23:55] <harlowja> rharper kk, need to build that more often to expose those things


[01:10] <phillw> Noskcaj: just the person I need to chat to! Are you available for about an 15 min chat in ~ 5 minutes?
[01:19] <Noskcaj> phillw, yeah, should be
[01:19] <Noskcaj> what's it about
[01:21] <phillw> classroom session
[01:21] <Noskcaj> ok
[05:40] <gema> hey guys
[05:40] <gema> good morning
[05:40] <gema> or evening
[15:30] <balloons> ade you about?
[15:32] <Ade> balloons, yes I am, how are you?
[15:33] <balloons> a bit late, or perhaps right on time, depending :-)
[15:34] <balloons> anyways.. sat morning, I'm doing well :-)
[15:43] <smartboyhw> balloons, yo?
[15:45] <balloons> smartboyhw, hello!
[15:45] <balloons> evening to you
[15:46] <smartboyhw> balloons, good night, gotcha go. Receive my message yesterday?
[15:46] <balloons> yes I did.. I would schedule yours according to your schedule
[15:46] <balloons> if others can't go before you, I wouldn't worry so much about it
[15:47] <balloons> I don't want to keep you in limbo
[15:47] <smartboyhw> balloons, lol
[15:47] <smartboyhw> I will make one, probably in 5/2/2013 13:30 UTC
[15:47] <balloons> sounds good
[15:48] <balloons> that's later than everyone else should be going anyway
[15:48] <balloons> everything going well for you?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Good. Bye!
[17:00] <Ade> balloons, you around?
[17:11] <balloons> yes
[17:15] <Ade> balloons, in step one of most testcases the testcase states the application should be launched via the dash, but almost all the autopilot test cases launch the application separately??
[17:17] <balloons> ade you mean the manual tests?
[17:17] <balloons> yes, obviously if your converting a manual test, you should launch it via command line
[17:18] <balloons> err, lol, launch it via the autopilot framework
[17:18] <balloons> plus we don't want things to be unity specific per say
[17:23] <Ade> balloons, sorry got disconnected...again!
[17:23] <Ade> balloons, I know anything but unity needs to be launched from within the framework but thats definitely an issue there
[17:24] <Ade> balloons, do you see where I'm coming from?
[17:26] <balloons> ade, I'm a bit confused by what you mean
[17:26] <balloons> there are unity tests already.. so for instance, if I'm writing a gedit test, I'm concerned with how gedit works, not with the launcher
[17:27] <Ade> balloons, right ok, so we're not concerned with testing to see if the application can be launched via the dash, only with it's functionality afterwards?
[17:28] <balloons> right, exactly
[17:28] <balloons> and for that reason, we can run the tests on xubuntu, lubuntu, ubuntu , etc
[17:28] <balloons> so that's nice too
[17:28] <Ade> balloons, righty no problem :o)
[17:51] <Ade> balloons, Where is all the documentation for the autopilot API?? The (very brief) tutorial is there but not a lot more???
[17:51] <balloons> there is docs, umm the link is in the blog post
[17:51] <balloons> let me grab it
[17:52] <Ade> balloons, Yes I have it already, but click on the 'API Documentation' and it appears to be empty
[17:52] <balloons> http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/
[17:53] <balloons> weird..
[17:53] <Ade> balloons, I presume everything was there previously ,right?
[17:54] <Ade> balloons, I haven't viewed it before so i've no idea if it's just down today or something or it's actually incomplete
[17:55] <balloons> tutorial
[17:55] <balloons> http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/tutorial/tutorial.html
[17:55] <balloons> that has stuff in it
[17:57] <balloons> the other stuff is weird
[17:57] <balloons> they pushed out some light docs in there.. I've been bugging the team to get more info in there
[17:57] <Ade> balloons, will see what I can do but it's going to be very difficult to fully complete test cases without IDE hints or API documentation :o)
[17:57] <balloons> in the meantime, you can read the class functions themselves.. but yes I agree
[17:58] <balloons> up until a month ago, everything was unity centric, so now docs with a more generic viewpoint at much needed
[18:00] <Ade> balloons, absolutely. Guess it was designed for unity after all, it will be ok, just might slow things up that's all
[18:00] <balloons> yes, I know.. but do feel free to ask questions
[18:00] <balloons> the autopilot team also haunts this channel :-)
[18:00] <balloons> I still ask them things, trust me :-)
[18:01] <Ade> balloons, :o)
[18:01] <balloons> and if you check out our bzr branch, you can see what we've done so far
[18:01] <balloons> it helps
[18:02] <Ade> balloons, Yes I have been viewing the other testcases to try and elicit some information but it seems at the moment unless an applications function has a keyboard shortcut then that test method just has a big fat #TODO in it lol
[18:03] <balloons> lol
[18:04] <balloons> I believe my first introspection stuff is in gedit
[18:04] <balloons> I think it's checked it
[18:04] <balloons> *in
[18:04] <balloons> in short, launch an app like this:
[18:04] <balloons> autopilot launch gedit
[18:04] <balloons> then run
[18:04] <balloons> autopilot vis
[18:04] <balloons> this will launch the app, and then launch the visualization tool
[18:05] <balloons> you'll see the dbus session for the application you launched if you select the 'root' connection
[18:05] <Ade> balloons, I was literally JUST reading that as you said it :o)
[18:05] <balloons> now, it's annoying because gtk apps spawn SO much nodes
[18:05] <balloons> for no apparent reason.. I asked them to implement a search in the vis tool
[18:06] <Ade> balloons, that going to be really helpful for point and click, just need to work out how to test the application correctly for assertions now
[18:06] <balloons> anyways, once you find the property you want, it's not too hard to check and assert for it
[18:07] <balloons> however, the final piece of the puzzle is going to come by doing pixel reading
[18:07] <Ade> balloons, That's definitely the way forward. Pixel reading... that sounds like a nightmare
[18:08] <balloons> there's a sikuli like tool called xpressor that we can use as stop gap
[18:08] <balloons> lol, introsection is better, but if nothing else will work
[18:08] <balloons> you can fallback to it
[18:09] <balloons> basically between the too, shouldn't be anything you can't automate
[18:09] <Ade> Ok I will figure out this first and then research xpressor :o)
[18:10] <balloons> we haven't messed with it yet.. since again, we'd like to avoid pixel reading
[18:11] <Ade> Ok, will crack on and hopefully come back to you with a working testcase
[18:12] <balloons> fire questions if you have them
[18:12] <Ade> balloons, will do :o)
[18:15] <Ade> balloons, How do you enable autopilot support in an application? when I 'autopilot launch gedit' I get an error stating no logger could be found??
[18:16] <balloons> i believe you can ignore that for the moment
[18:16] <balloons> it should still work
[18:16] <balloons> thomi literally just added support
[18:16] <balloons> so if you do see anything like that, we can report it as a bug
[18:17] <balloons> the old way is to just export the module before launching
[18:17] <Ade> balloons, gedit will then launch and when all has settled down I type 'autopilot vis' but the drop down is empty and it states 'waiting for a DBus connection..'
[18:17] <balloons> autopilot launch is supposed to to thsat for you
[18:18] <balloons> let me see
[18:18] <balloons> GTK_MODULES=autopilot-gtk:$GTK_MODULES gedit
[18:19] <balloons> that's the manual method
[18:20] <balloons> so if autopilot launch isn't working, do it that way
[18:22] <Ade> balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1549760/
[18:23] <balloons> ugh
[18:23] <balloons> that's a problem
[18:23] <balloons> you running the autopilot ppa?
[18:23] <balloons> raring?
[18:24] <balloons> just tried again.. it does work for me here
[18:24] <balloons> hmm
[18:24] <Ade> 12.10 LTS and just checking now to see where I got autopilot from, I am sure it's the ppa
[18:24] <balloons> GTK_MODULES=autopilot-gtk:$GTK_MODULES gedit
[18:24] <balloons> try launching it that way
[18:24] <balloons> in the meantime
[18:25] <balloons> all autopilot launch was intended to do was to make it easier.. so you don't have to manually load the module
[18:25] <balloons> so I ran GTK_MODULES=autopilot-gtk:$GTK_MODULES gedit and then autopilot vis and got a connection that way as well
[18:26] <Ade> balloons, Yes, ppa:autopilot/ppa repository by the way.
[18:26] <balloons> ok good, that's correct
[18:26] <balloons> does manually loading the module work for you?
[18:26] <balloons> I've got to run in a sec
[18:29] <Ade> balloons, I just type that in terminal right?? I got failed to load module "autopilot-gtk"
[18:30] <Ade> balloons, Either way it's not having any of it, this is pretty fustrating
[18:38] <balloons> ohh
[18:39] <balloons> if it doesn't find it, you might not have the module installed
[18:39] <balloons> install libautopilot-gtk0
[18:40] <balloons> and perhaps libautopilot-gtk-dev as well
[18:40] <balloons> that might be needed for the manual way
[18:40] <balloons> ade, sorry your having troubles..
[18:44] <Ade> balloons, ok will give that a try..
[19:13] <Noskcaj> phillw, I have made a basic wiki page for my testdrive session
[19:16] <Ade> balloons, I am getting the same in a vm of raring, tried manually and also got exactly the same error.
[19:36] <balloons> wow.. well ade, I guess no introspection for you.. even after installing the packages eh?
[19:38] <Ade> balloons, doesn't look like it today I am disappointed to say. Can I double check how you install those packages... sudo apt-get install libautopilot-gtk0 ...is that correct??
[20:15] <dkessel> good evening. has any of you already reported the xdiagnose installation failure?
[20:20] <dkessel> ah nevermind. i found it