[00:03] <poolie> sinzui, hi, i don't really understand your comment on bug 801242
[00:03] <_mup_> Bug #801242: no way to request membership in a private team - can only be added <privacy> <teams> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/801242 >
[00:04] <cjwatson> How come the QA bot hasn't got round to doing its thing on bug 899972 yet?
[00:04] <_mup_> Bug #899972: cron.germinate is very slow <Launchpad itself:In Progress by cjwatson> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/899972 >
[00:05] <StevenK> cjwatson: Which revision?
[00:05] <lifeless> cjwatson: qastaging isn't running it yet
[00:06] <lifeless> cjwatson: look at qastaging, bottom right corner.
[00:07] <cjwatson> Ah
[00:07] <cjwatson> StevenK: r14516
[00:28] <StevenK> cjwatson: That revision hasn't passed buildbot, so it's not in stable.
[00:29] <cjwatson> Ah, I keep forgetting how many stages are involved :-)
[00:30] <StevenK> The QA tagger should get it's grubby hands on the bug in about 3-3.5 hours
[00:32] <cjwatson> I've just posted my QA notes in the bug.  In the unlikely event that the deployment pipeline gets that far between the tagger getting to it and me noticing that, it can be marked qa-ok.
[00:32] <StevenK> I still need to sort out the deployment report
[00:32] <StevenK> It's still hung up on r14489 being bad
[00:59]  * StevenK tries to understand bzrlib.gpg and goes cross-eyed
[01:02]  * StevenK finds the right option, finally.
[02:44]  * wallyworld_ goes for a coffee run
[02:59]  * nigelb realizes he hasn't written LP code in a while.
[03:12] <StevenK> nigelb: Fix it!
[03:13] <nigelb> StevenK: Yeah, I need to find an interesting bug to fix. Updating my tree now.
[03:31]  * StevenK kicks the qa-tagger
[03:31] <StevenK> Bloody rollback tags
[03:32] <StevenK> ARGH
[03:33] <StevenK> I fix r14489 and r14490 and now r14491 is bad
[03:33] <StevenK>  /wrists
[03:34] <StevenK> poolie: Ping
[03:34] <poolie> pong
[03:35] <StevenK> poolie: Do you know what is going on with bug 509016?
[03:35] <_mup_> Bug #509016: Please load bzr-git, bzr-svn and bzr-hg in loggerhead <bad-commit-14991> <lp-code> <qa-bad> <trivial> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by jelmer> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/509016 >
[03:35] <StevenK> Can I roll it back so we actually deploy?
[03:37] <StevenK> cjwatson: Thanks for your exhaustive QA notes, I've tagged your bug qa-ok.
[03:37] <poolie> StevenK, i don't know anything beyond what's in the bug etc
[03:37] <poolie> what is breaking?
[03:38] <StevenK> poolie: Can we mumble?
[03:38] <StevenK> It will be quicker
[03:39] <poolie> after counting futzing with mumble?
[03:39] <poolie> can i just call you?
[03:39] <StevenK> Haha
[03:39] <StevenK> Sure
[03:39] <StevenK> Landline in the directory
[03:40] <nigelb> lol
[03:40] <StevenK> mumble works perfectly for me, so I don't know why poolie has to fiddle with it
[03:42] <nigelb> I've seen people complain about all 3 calling things at some point.
[03:42] <nigelb> mumble/skype/google hangout
[03:46] <StevenK> jelmer: Are you still around, by chance?
[03:47] <wgrant> StevenK: I think we should revert it.
[03:47] <StevenK> I'm just preparing a revert
[03:51] <StevenK> And buildbot started like 90 minutes ago.
[04:05] <wallyworld_> StevenK: should we just restart bb?
[04:05] <StevenK> Probably not.
[04:05] <wallyworld_> :-(
[04:07] <StevenK> DAMN IT, lp-land, use the correct key
[04:09] <nigelb> lol
[04:09] <StevenK> nigelb: I'm moving to a 4096 bit RSA key
[04:09] <wgrant> StevenK: Set gpg_signing_key in bazaar.conf
[04:09] <StevenK> I did
[04:09] <StevenK> That fixed ec2land, but lp-land is still wanting my DSA key's passphrase.
[04:10] <StevenK> And bzrlib.gpg is nearly incomprehensible
[04:10] <StevenK> Thanks lifeless!
[04:11] <nigelb> heh
[04:15] <poolie> StevenK, oops, i got totally distracted
[04:16] <StevenK> Heh
[04:16] <StevenK> poolie: I have a rollback prepared, just having trouble landing it since lp-land insists on signing with my 1024bit DSA key.
[04:16] <poolie> wgrant, in other news, i think python-markdown is tolerably safe
[04:17] <StevenK> Even though gpg_signing_key is set in bazaar.conf
[04:18] <wgrant> poolie: Hm, that is good news.
[04:18] <wgrant> poolie: Is that what GitHub uses, or do they have their own thing?
[04:19] <poolie> i think they use ruby
[04:19] <poolie> so different implementation, same format
[04:19] <wgrant> Probably.
[04:19] <poolie> similar format
[04:19] <wgrant> Yeah, I knew it was markdownish, but I thought they used Python in places.
[04:19] <wgrant> Perhaps not.
[04:19] <poolie> so, obviously any software can have bugs however
[04:20] <poolie> the code is not obviously silly
[04:20] <wgrant> Yep
[04:20] <poolie> it does have options for safety against xss etc
[04:20] <nigelb> wgrant: They use github-flavored markdown
[04:20] <nigelb> Btut they use a ruby thing
[04:20] <poolie> and it's fairly widely used for this
[04:20] <nigelb> to do the conversion
[04:20] <wgrant> Ah, that's what I was thinking of. They use pygments.
[04:21] <mwhudson> yes
[04:22] <mwhudson> you can tell, because it has the same performance bugs pygments has :-)
[04:22] <mwhudson> they cap the amount of cpu it can use though
[04:22] <StevenK> poolie: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/770798/ explains the issue
[04:23] <nigelb> mwhudson: heh
[04:25] <poolie> StevenK, that might be bug 904550?
[04:25] <_mup_> Bug #904550: gpg signing key doesn't default to 'email' anymore <release-blocker> <Bazaar:Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/904550 >
[04:25] <poolie> or just coincidental
[04:25] <poolie> um
[04:27] <poolie> StevenK, so try something like
[04:28] <poolie> echo merge bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/stable bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/db-devel | gpg --clearsign -u abcd1234 |mail -s 'commit message'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:28] <poolie> something like this
[04:28] <StevenK> Right, which just submits it manually
[04:28] <poolie> yes
[04:28] <poolie> if you're stuck, that's how i'd get unstuck
[04:33] <StevenK> PQMException: 'Failed to verify signature: gpgv exited with error code 1'
[04:33] <StevenK> :-(
[04:34] <poolie> ah pqm
[04:35]  * StevenK waits for logs to sync
[04:36] <poolie> ah
[04:36] <poolie> you need gpg -a too
[04:37] <StevenK> -a is the default if the output is a tty
[04:37] <StevenK> (Which it was in this case)
[04:38] <poolie> isn't the output a pipe to mail?
[04:38] <poolie> or you were pasting it
[04:38] <StevenK> Pasting it into Thunderbird and sending
[05:13] <StevenK> poolie: I fixed it with an enormous sledgehammer.
[05:36] <jtv-zzz> poolie: Hi!  Any luck with Q/A?  We've got a nasty qa-bad blocking some really urgent stuff, and I'm concerned about other pending Q/A holding up the rollback we need for the bad branch.
[05:38] <jtv> I thought openid was no longer supposed to send us to the wrong pages.  :(
[05:40] <jtv> poolie: superficially there's only 7 branches waiting for your Q/A and it's not the blocker yet, but if we need a rollback, that adds the 18 revisions that are blocked behind his.
[05:41] <jtv> Behind jelmer's, that is.
[05:41] <wallyworld_> jtv: StevenK is onto it
[05:41]  * jtv breathes out
[05:41] <jtv> thanks
[05:42] <wallyworld_> jtv: don't forget to breath in again
[05:42] <wallyworld_> and then out
[05:42] <wallyworld_> and then in
[05:42]  * jtv tries that
[05:42] <jtv> wallyworld_: thanks, that's really helping.  But we can't keep going this way all day, can we?
[05:42] <jtv> Maybe I should write a script.
[05:42] <StevenK> I did not do the QA.
[05:42] <wgrant> jtv: That rev is rolled back.
[05:42] <wgrant> 'twill be some days before you can deploy.
[05:42] <jtv> Which revision is rolled back?  jelmer's?
[05:43] <wgrant> Yes.
[05:43] <StevenK> Yes
[05:43] <jtv> I don't suppose we have a way of marking rollbacks as such after landing, just so the deployment report can be fixed?
[05:43] <StevenK> Only when it hits qas
[05:44] <jtv> no entiendo
[05:45] <jtv> StevenK, wgrant: isn't the buildfarm breakage something of a bad thing though?
[05:45] <wgrant> jtv: What's broken?
[05:45] <jtv> Oh, was my buildfarm fix rolled back?
[05:45] <wgrant> We rolled it back <5 minutes after it was discovered.
[05:45] <jtv> Ah!
[05:45] <wgrant> The world would have been on fire for days otherwise.
[05:45] <jtv> Didn't know that.
[05:46] <jtv> Right.
[05:46] <jtv> Wish I'd known that before working nights and holidays.
[05:46] <wgrant> Well.
[05:47] <wgrant> Distro hadn't nuked you from orbit yet, so it should have been reasonably obvious :)
[05:47] <jtv> Explicit is better than implicit.
[06:08] <jtv> wgrant: what's the procedure with that rollback?  Am I responsible for undoing it once the fix is ready to deploy?
[06:09] <wgrant> jtv: Someone (likely Julian, since AIUI both you and I are away for some time) needs to request a deployment.
[06:09] <jtv> Are you talking about the obvious deployment (of the fix), or some extra deployment?
[06:09] <wgrant> The obvious deployment.
[06:10] <wgrant> There's nothing special about this sort of rollback -- it's just flipping the symlink back to an older tree and restarting services.
[06:10] <wgrant> So a normal deployment will clobber it.
[06:11] <jtv> OK
[06:11] <jtv> Well I was going to request the rollback anyway if nobody else beat me to it — which is why I'm chasing Q/A blockers in my free time.
[06:42] <huwshimi> A CSS/UI review for someone kind enough to do so: https://code.launchpad.net/~huwshimi/launchpad/inline-fields/+merge/85798
[08:54] <adeuring> good morning
[09:07] <mrevell> Hi
[09:12] <nigelb> Morning mrevell
[09:30] <bigjools> StevenK: do you know if there's a bug for adding package_name to SPPH/BPPH?
[10:05] <StevenK> bigjools: It's not package_name
[10:05] <bigjools> whatever then
[11:26] <gmb> Someone remind me: Are DB patches that are just constraints meant to go into devel or db-devel?
[11:29] <wgrant> gmb: db-devel
[11:29] <wgrant> They generally require exclusive table locks, which requires downtime.
[11:29] <gmb> wgrant, Thanks.
[11:46] <rick_h__> morning
[12:59] <bigjools> anyone know if there's a way of specifying that a parameter to @operation_parameters is for a particular api version?
[13:00] <bigjools> or do I need to repeat the whole lot using @operation_for_version?
[14:24]  * benji assumes jtv isn't around.
[15:16] <bac> hi abentley, frankban and i are using 'bzr lp-propose' but the template is not being populated.  i have the lpreview-body plugin installed as part of lp-dev-dependencies.  any idea what is missing?
[15:17] <abentley> bac: I expect it's not detecting that you're targetting a Launchpad branch.  Let me refresh myself....
[15:19] <bac> abentley: the contents of the editor are http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/771213/ -- so it does appear to know it is a LP branch
[15:19] <abentley> bac: the target branch needs to match this regex: lp:(~launchpad-pqm/)?launchpad(/(db-)?devel)?
[15:20] <abentley> bac: Sorry, it needs to match 'bzr\+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/(db-)?devel'
[15:23] <bac> abentley: it looks like i have the full bzr+ssh URL in my locations.conf file but the shorthand is being used and thus not matching the regex
[15:24] <abentley> bac: If your submit branch is a local branch, you need to specify the bzr+ssh URL as its public location.
[15:25] <bac> abentley: here is 'bzr info' for my branch and my devel branch -- http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/771217/
[15:27] <abentley> bac: That looks like it would work.
[15:28] <abentley> bac: But also, it should be raising an exception if it's getting lp:launchpad as the target, and it's not doing that either.  So I'm not sure what's going on there.
[15:32] <bac> abentley: ok, i'll experiment on my dev machine at home and see if it still works and compare the differences
[15:33] <abentley> bac: The target branch is selected by lp-propose, so I'd stick a pdb somewhere in that code.
[15:33] <bac> ok
[15:54] <cr3> hi folks, you guys know there's a problem with bazaar.launchpad.net, right?
[15:54] <cr3> oops, not anymore. thanks for fixing it so quickly :)
[16:13] <adeuring> jcsackett: could you please review this MP https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-901016/+merge/85902 ? (100 lines diff)
[16:16] <rick_h__> abentley: have a sec? my changes for this bug run right into your refactor
[16:16] <abentley> rick_h__: OTP
[16:16] <rick_h__> abentley: ok
[16:30] <jcsackett> adeuring: sure thing.
[16:30] <adeuring> jcsackett: thanks!
[16:39] <jcsackett> adeuring: looks good. r=me.
[16:39] <adeuring> jcsackett: thanks!
[16:58] <abentley> rick_h__: back.
[16:59] <rick_h__> abentley: I've got it. Your changes got merged so updated with devel and redoing the changes
[16:59] <rick_h__> bzr issues making it a bit slow, but think I'm set, thanks abentley
[16:59] <abentley> rick_h__: Cool.
[17:10] <abentley> deryck[lunch]: http://blog.launchpad.net/general/new-approaches-to-new-bug-listings
[17:32] <rick_h__> jcsackett: ping, got a sec to peek at: https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/heat_help_894740/+merge/85901 ?
[17:42] <jcsackett> rick_h_: sure, in just a moment. :-)
[17:55] <jcsackett> rick_h__: r=me.
[17:59] <rick_h__> jcsackett: ty much
[18:00] <mrevell> Night all
[18:28] <deryck> abentley, thanks!  looks good.
[18:28] <abentley> deryck: np.
[18:29] <rick_h__> deryck: did you have some 'next bugs' in your mind? It seemed during the stand up you had some targets
[18:30] <deryck> rick_h__, yeah, any of the high bugs with the tag bug-columns would be good. see: http://tinyurl.com/d9nevd9
[18:30] <rick_h__> deryck: ok cool. I'm going through them but wanted to make sure you didn't have specific next items in mind
[18:32] <deryck> rick_h__, nah.  just ask me if you have questions about specific bugs.
[18:32] <rick_h__> deryck: abentley looking at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/900900
[18:32] <_mup_> Bug #900900: navigation links are missing from bug listing bottom if there is only a single batch. <bug-columns> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/900900 >
[18:32] <rick_h__> deryck: abentley but the batching code specically calls out that "Only render bottom navigation links if there are multiple batches."
[18:33] <rick_h__> so are we looking to change that site-wide?
[18:33] <abentley> rick_h__, deryck: I think we should change it site-wide.  It's confusing.
[18:34] <deryck> I agree.  it might makes sense for some defined small number, i.e. 1-5 results.  but anything over half a screen we certainly need bottom links, so....
[18:34] <rick_h__> abentley: I think the argument would be that in small nubmers, doubling the batch ui would clutter the interface
[18:34] <deryck> to really simplify, I say always have bottom links.
[18:34] <rick_h__> deryck: ok, will do then. Thanks
[18:46] <sinzui> Hi jcsackett. I have a few questions about your branch in review
[18:50] <jcsackett> sinzui: shoot.
[18:50] <sinzui> Line 41 of the diff adds an extra space to the text and the test verifies it.
[18:50] <sinzui> This message does not cover the case when a private team is subscribed to a bug or branch. Can we make the message more general?
[18:51] <jcsackett> sinzui: good catch on the typo, and yeah, we can generalize the message.
[18:52] <sinzui> "This action will reveal this team's name to the public. (Choose again) (Continue)
[18:52] <sinzui> jcsackett, we avoid yes/no button because they require a re-reading of the question.
[18:54] <flacoste> abentley: nice post!
[18:54] <sinzui> jcsackett, My concerns are just the text and labels. The implementation is great
[18:54] <abentley> flacoste: thanks.
[18:55] <jcsackett> sinzui: thanks; i'm pushing up the text changes now.
[18:55] <sinzui> fab!
[19:00] <sinzui> jcsackett, I also wanted to have a mid-implementation conversation about base-layout. I have rudimentary version working with tests. I think I want to change the macro used to prevent the main and side slots from rendering
[19:02] <jcsackett> sinzui: sure, one sec while i hop on mumble.
[19:06] <rick_h__> deryck: is this something I could probably just self-review? https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/batch_nav_900900/+merge/85935
[19:07] <deryck> rick_h__, you can't self review your own stuff yet, until you're a graduated reviewer yourself.
[19:07] <rick_h__> deryck: ah, makes sense.
[19:07] <deryck> rick_h__, lots of "self" there, but I hope you get the idea.
[19:07] <rick_h__> deryck: right, need to get rid of the "training" badge first. Understand
[19:08] <rick_h__> jcsackett: see you're doing some call, if you get a sec after that please? https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/batch_nav_900900/+merge/85935
[19:11] <sinzui> jcsackett: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/771461/
[19:22] <jcsackett> rick_h__: looking now. :-)
[19:23] <deryck> I also have something for review jcsackett.  https://code.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/avoid-extra-buglist-count-901124/+merge/85940
[19:23] <rick_h__> jcsackett: ty
[19:38] <jcsackett> rick_h__: i've left questions on your MP.
[20:01] <deryck> jcsackett, did you see my ping about a branch for review?
[20:02] <jcsackett> deryck: i did not, i will go grab your branch from the queue now.
[20:02] <deryck> jcsackett, cool, thanks man!
[20:09] <jcsackett> deryck: looks good; nice workaround the COUNT issue. :-)
[20:09] <deryck> jcsackett, thanks!
[22:42]  * huwshimi must. not. reload. mp.
[22:49] <benji> heh
[23:14] <lifeless> mwhudson: are your tags queries all copacetic?
[23:15] <mwhudson> lifeless: i don't know what that word means
[23:15] <lifeless> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/copacetic
[23:16] <mwhudson> well, i've written some queries that pass all my tests
[23:16] <lifeless> cool
[23:17] <lifeless> ftr what we do in lp is a little / moderately bloody
[23:17] <lifeless> I've been meaning to refactor
[23:17] <lifeless> e.g. to use an array equality
[23:18] <lifeless> the mathematical way is using intersections, of course
[23:18] <mwhudson> my approach is basically count(tags in a that are not in b) == 0
[23:19] <mwhudson> lifeless: where is the code in lp?  lp/bugs/model/bugtask?
[23:19] <lifeless> counting works, though wouldn't you just count(found tags) == len(wanted tags) ?
[23:19] <lifeless> mwhudson: yes
[23:20] <mwhudson> lifeless: well, not much difference really i guess
[23:21] <mwhudson> lifeless: ah so part of my fun is that the list of tags to search for is retrieved by another part of the query
[23:22] <lifeless> in one query ?
[23:22] <lifeless> can you share ?
[23:24]  * mwhudson rummages
[23:26] <mwhudson> lifeless: http://paste.ubuntu.com/771702/
[23:26] <lifeless> mwhudson: oh, did I tell you that there is django glue in oops-wsgi now ? courtesy jamesh
[23:35] <lifeless> mwhudson: so, uhm right
[23:35] <lifeless> how to stop unity raising the active window to the front.
[23:35] <mwhudson> lifeless: ah yes, will look at oops-wsgi
[23:38] <lifeless> mwhudson: so, slight diversion to re-re-tweak my de
[23:38] <lifeless> lava-scheduler-app-device-tags lists tag, device
[23:38] <lifeless> testjob tags lists tags for tests
[23:39] <lifeless> so you're grabbing the count of test tags that are not in the device tag list
[23:40] <lifeless> what you want to state is, I think, 'test jobs that have at least the devices tags'
[23:43] <lifeless> a first tweak would be 'has_tags': 'select count(*) = 0 from ...'
[23:45] <lifeless> meh, it works, and you're querying one device, shrug :)
[23:46] <lifeless> you could add a CTE if your tag table isn't well indexed.
[23:48] <mwhudson> it's django i assume there are no indexes :)
[23:48] <mwhudson> but easy to add though
[23:49] <mwhudson> the primary key on id is probably enough here though...


[00:33] <tsimonq2> vorlon: Both.
[00:34] <vorlon> tsimonq2: ack
[04:46] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: It's been sorted now.
[09:19] <fossfreedom_> ubuntu-archive please can I ask that the UB package-set rights be updated to include new budgie packages from 23.10 and this cycle?  Or should I email the DMB?
[09:21] <apw> fossfreedom_, i believe that to be a DMB managed right.
[09:23] <seb128> fossfreedom_, email to DBM is probably safer for the request to not be lost in backlog, I can poke at it but not atm, I'm back from a week away and in a meeting
[09:23] <fossfreedom_> thx.  will do.
[09:23] <seb128> 👍
[13:12] <athos> Hi ubuntu-archive. Could you please remove and block php8.2 from noble? LP: #2054841
[13:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2054841 in php8.2 (Ubuntu) "Please remove and block php8.2 from sync'ing in noble" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054841
[14:05] <tsimonq2> vorlon, bdmurray: thank you :)
[15:34] <seb128> athos, in that bug you wrote 'Once the new php-defaults migrates, making php8.2 the default PHP version for noble" ... you meant .3 right?
[15:35] <seb128> because it reads as you are asking to remove the version that is becoming default
[15:55] <mitchdz> Hi ubuntu-archive, now that the Jammy freeze is done, could someone look at  moving python2.7 version 2.7.18-13ubuntu1.2 from proposed to updates? TIA!
[15:56] <athos> seb128: Yes, that should be "making php8.3 the default". sorry for the typo (fixed it).
[16:02] <seb128> athos, np, thanks! (I need to step out but will try to process it later if nobody is doing it before)
[16:06] <athos> thx!
[16:12] <jbicha> ubuntu-archive: please process the NEW binary packages autosynced from Debian, thanks!
[16:15] <mitchdz> Whoops, I meant to ping ubuntu-sru instead of the archive team for the python2.7 Jammy update.
[16:16] <cjwatson> jbicha: .
[16:17] <juliank> how are you cjwatson?
[16:18] <cjwatson> juliank: all good, thanks, enjoying my freedom :)
[16:18] <jbicha> cjwatson: thanks and hi! :)
[16:18] <cjwatson> and doing a bunch of interesting things
[16:18] <juliank> cool
[17:10] <vorlon> jbicha, cjwatson: the new binaries not reported by the bot? hmm!  checking that...
[17:11] <vorlon> oops no queuebot here
[17:11] <juliank> I get queuebot move did not happen or it crashed... :(
[17:12] <vorlon> it did happen
[17:13] <vorlon> hmmm the node is not responding to ssh
[17:13] <vorlon> oh there it is
[17:13] <juliank> I wanted to write sad puppy eyes but now it's excited puppy wiggling its tail?
[17:13] <vorlon>      Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/queuebot.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[17:14] <vorlon> what do you mean 'disabled' :|
[17:14] <vorlon> juliank: I guess it didn't come up correctly after a reboot after the latest prodstack outage
[17:14] <vorlon> (uptime 4 days)
[17:15] <vorlon> and we know that it's not reliable because IS wanted a list of IPs to open for outbound IRC instead of letting it have global outbound, and we don't have a reliable list of IPs from libera
[17:15] <vorlon> each DNS request returns a random subset of 3 IPs from a set of unknown size >:|
[17:16] <vorlon> IS does have a ticket open internally and is trying to talk to libera.chat about this, but in the meantime it will be flaky and you may have to ping me
[17:17] <vorlon> oh but also journalctl gives no indication it *tried* to start on reboot
[17:17] <vorlon> so yeah I also missed a 'systemctl enable' there, fixed now
[17:17] <vorlon> so now it'll be more reliable than a 100% failure to start on reboot
[17:19] <LocutusOfBorg> with nodejs migrating, libicu72 is now on NBS-report, hurray! (not yet, will be next run)
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[20:40] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Do you know of any further progress on ubuntu-image wrt edubuntu rpi images? Seems like upils's progress kinda stalled-out.
[20:40] <vorlon> I do not
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> Ok, so I know same as you. Thanks!
[20:40] <vorlon> last I saw on it was him requesting input from me+ mwhudson_ but I've been head down on time_t
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> Understood.
[20:41] <vorlon> I thought I saw a comment from you on the bug about finding other ways to do the necessary configuration that don't involve a user session?
[20:41] <vorlon> (which, frankly, you should not have as part of a package maintainer script and I consider whatever is triggering this issue to be buggy)
[20:41] <vorlon> we want to make ubuntu-image more resilient here, but maintainer scripts shouldn't be launching user sessions
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> There's a piece in the maintscrpt that configures the logo for gdm3 that, if it fails, just passes a "true" which shouldn't be causing this. There's another package that does it on first boot that I could reconfigure to be for *all* archs, right now it's just for arm.
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[21:14] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Fix for the maintscript launching a user session, requires new binary package and removal of old one. That upload is incoming.
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[21:54] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: Just added to the NEW queue for Noble is edubuntu-artwork with edubuntu-firstboot as a new binary, which is just a rehashing of edubuntu-raspi-firstboot but now for all archs, doing the same function. Prevents a maintscript from launching a user session as it was previously. Need this accepted ASAP.
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> This is a new binary.
[21:56]  * Eickmeyer needs to upload a new version of edubuntu-meta with this for the iso build sometime before 0200 UTC
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[12:03] <torz> ReTyPe: everyone needs a spare crash box :p
[12:03] <ReTyPe> and wait for the computer doing nothing meanwhile
[12:03] <nalioth> ReTyPe: another option is to install from an ubuntu disk and then install "kubuntu-desktop"
[12:03] <torz> ReTyPe: you never know though
[12:03] <WiseElben> do it before you sleep =P
[12:03] <WiseElben> nalioth: I don't see the use of Screen
[12:04] <torz> WiseElben: neither, a friend of mine loves screen but i dont see the point
[12:05] <nalioth> WiseElben: down near the bottom "gnu screen"
[12:06] <nalioth> WiseElben: or are you saying how you dont see how it works with bt?
[12:08] <nalioth> using 'screen' + bt, allows you to not have terminals everywhere if you d/l more than one thing at a time
[12:09] <nalioth> i've had 30+ bt d/'s goin at once using screen, all in 3 terminals instead of 30
[12:09] <nalioth> screen has minimal impact on the system stability
[12:10] <nikkia> torz, the thing i love about screen, is being able to detach from a console prompt, and reattach, or even attach to the same session from two places
[12:10] <nikkia> (or more than 2, of course :)
[12:10] <nalioth> nikkia: yes, there is that, also
[12:11] <nikkia> nalioth: everyone seems to overlook the -x option
[12:11] <nalioth> nikkia: so running irssi in screen, you can keep your place in channel during the X restarts
[12:11] <nikkia> nalioth: or you can maintain the same irc session on a desktop and laptop (without using a bouncer)
[12:11] <nalioth> nikkia: i'm not that complicated to need -x
[12:11] <nalioth> nikkia: yes, screen roX0rs. thats why i like it
[12:12] <nikkia> its also the best way to run things on shakey connections :)
[12:12] <nalioth> as long as its on the other end of the connection
[12:12] <nikkia> for example, my VPN to work often goes down, and i have a python script i need to run occasionally that takes 3 days to complete, so i just run it in a screen session
[12:12] <torz> nikkia: bah, fair enough
[12:13] <nikkia> (the script composites video clips, before anyone asks wtf takes 3 days to complete :)
[12:13] <torz> btw guys would apt-get install ffmpeg get all the ffmpeg components?
[12:13] <torz> supposively ffmpeg supports h264 playback but it aint working
[12:13] <nikkia> torz, most of them, i don't think it installs a system-wide libavcodec/libavformat
[12:13] <nikkia> but thats not essential to use ffmpeg
[12:14] <torz> mmm i have both of em also
[12:14] <nikkia> torz, you might have to hack the fourcc list
[12:14] <torz> nikkia: nah I think I'll try and install vlc 0.8.2 on Kubuntu
[12:14] <torz> steal a package from Debian
[12:15] <nalioth> torz: i've found that one needs to install every codec they want on the machine and compile ffmpeg and mplayer on their own
[12:15] <torz> nalioth: uhhh
[12:15] <WiseElben> ok I can't seem to connect with bittornado
[12:16] <WiseElben> no error messages, everything just stays idle at 0
[12:17] <_matt> how do i install flash?
[12:17] <nalioth> !flash
[12:17] <ubotu> somebody said flash was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:17] <_matt> I got the linux format for ubuntu but i cant understand how to install it
[12:18] <kalenedrael> ...?
[12:18] <kalenedrael> oh
[12:18] <nalioth> _matt: do you know your way around a terminal?
[12:19] <_matt> not really
[12:19] <_matt> i got this cuz i hate microsoft and i am sick and tired of XP
[12:20] <nalioth> _mark: alrighty then, ubotu is gonna send you some info to read at your leisure
[12:20] <nalioth> _mark: but for now, where did you d/l the flash thing to?
[12:20] <_matt> home/matt
[12:21] <torz> /home/matt :p
[12:21] <nalioth> _matt: open a terminal
[12:21] <_matt> got it
[12:21] <nalioth> _matt: type ls and find the name of the file you d/l
[12:22] <_matt> yes
[12:23] <nalioth> _matt: now type ls -l <filename>
[12:25] <_matt> ls -l install_flash_player_7_linux, correct
[12:25] <nalioth> yes
[12:26] <_matt> got it
[12:26] <nalioth> _mark: copy and paste the first 10 characters from that line in here, please
[12:27] <_matt> now do i type flashplayer-installer?
[12:28] <_john_> how do i install simcity 3000 on linux?
[12:28] <nalioth> _mark: i'm trying to see if they sent you an executable or now
[12:31] <nalioth> _mark: when you typed ls -l <filemane> it returned you something like -rw-r--r-- at the beginning of the line
[12:31] <_matt> correct
[12:31] <nalioth> _mark: can you paste thaat bit in here?
[12:32] <_matt> -rwxr-xr-x  1 matt matt   23579 2004-05-20 17:34 flashplayer-installer
[12:32] <_matt> -rw-r--r--  1 matt matt     856 2004-05-20 17:34 flashplayer.xpt
[12:32] <_matt> -rwxr-xr-x  1 matt matt 2096844 2004-05-20 17:34 libflashplayer.so
[12:32] <_matt> -rw-r--r--  1 matt matt   11689 2004-05-20 19:03 Readme.htm
[12:32] <_matt> -rw-r--r--  1 matt matt    5254 2004-05-20 19:46 Readme.txt
[12:32] <_matt> sorry, was that what you were asking for? that directorie
[12:32] <nalioth> _matt: ok now are you the only user on this box?
[12:33] <_matt> i think so
[12:33] <nalioth> _matt: then type ./flashplayer-installer
[12:33] <nalioth> holy moly, he hit the wrong [x]
[12:34] <_matt> hi, got disconnected by my router
[12:35] <nalioth> _matt: when executables are not in our $PATH (where the OS looks), we execute thing with a ./ in front of them
[12:35] <nalioth> _matt: then type ./flashplayer-installer
[12:37] <_matt> i did and it said "./flashplayer-installer: No such file or directory"
[12:38] <nalioth> _matt: ok then. type "chmod u+x flashplayer-installer"
[12:38] <nalioth> _matt: then run the ./blah again
[12:41] <_matt> hmod u+x flashplayer-installer
[12:41] <_matt> chmod: cannot access `flashplayer-installer': No such file or directory
[12:41] <chavo> _matt, you need to cd in to the directory first
[12:41] <_matt> what i cant figure out was that i had this working on regular ubuntu
[12:41] <_matt> ?
[12:42] <nalioth> chavo: he is in the directory, or so he reported
[12:44] <_matt> bout ready to have a buddy of mine come over and take a look, hes the idiot who put this kubuntu on
[12:45] <_matt> is there any way to back to regular ubuntu with out redoing my whole system again?
[12:45] <nalioth> _matt: you mean, 'not kubuntu'?
[12:45] <_matt> yes
[12:46] <_matt> i had regular ubuntu, hoary hedge-hog and was able to use it fine
[12:46] <_matt> my buddy put this on and i dont have a clue
[12:46] <torz> breezy
[12:46] <nalioth> _matt: did you directly install kubuntu?
[12:46] <_matt> no idea
[12:46] <_matt> i have disks for ubuntu
[12:46] <torz> hoary ubuntu/kubuntu is the same thing imo, one just looks insanely uglier than the other
[12:47] <nalioth> _matt: i have an easier way: install "ubuntu-desktop"
[12:47] <Blissex> _matt: Indeed KUbuntu and Ubuntu are exactly the same thing with a different set of defaults.
[12:47] <_matt> how do i do that?
[12:48] <nalioth> _matt: in your terminal type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[12:49] <_matt> ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[12:49] <_matt> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 74 not upgraded.
[12:50] <nalioth> _matt: then log out, and log back in, but at your login screen, click "sessions" and choose "gnome"
[12:53] <nalioth> _matt: so are you in gnome, now?
[12:54] <torz> kde to gnome, what a downgrade :p
[12:54] <_matt> yes
[12:54] <_matt> thanks
[12:55] <_matt> flash is installed, thank you
[12:56] <nalioth> _matt: ok great. now get out! j/k
[12:56] <nalioth> j/k
[12:56] <nalioth> heh
[12:57] <nalioth> _matt: kubuntu and ubuntu are just gnome and kde on top of the same innards
[12:57] <_matt> thank you again later
[01:20] <yonkel-lappy> is there a reason that my computer might switch to another wifi network in my area randomly? can i stop this from happening?
[01:35] <wincide> uf
[01:50] <flugh> anyone have a good 'getting spamfilters working with kmail' link? i've been over the first page of google links, but am left feeling unfulfilled :)
[01:57] <pussfeller> whats a decent dc++ client that wont get banned by servers?
[02:18] <kayfelix> hey everyone.
[02:20] <kayfelix> gee aint there lots of talk here! its like a trainstation...
[02:41] <pussfeller> seems kubuntu people go to bed early :)
[02:57] <DewDude> heh
[02:57] <DewDude> i don't
[03:09] <BlankB> do kubuntu users have less problems than ubuntu users? or is it just that there are fewer users?
[03:14] <nalioth> BlankB: kubuntu is ubuntu. the difference is kubuntu runs KDE by default
[03:14] <nalioth> BlankB: i have kde, gnome, enlightenment, xfce4 Desktop Manglers on my system atm
[03:18] <^rob^> hi
[03:18] <^rob^> does anyone know where to find kipi-plugins? - it is not in apt...
[03:21] <nalioth> ^rob^: what is a kipi plugin?
[03:22] <^rob^> http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/
[03:22] <^rob^> http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php
[03:23] <^rob^> i found hoary pkgs here ;)
[03:24] <nalioth> ^rob^: ok lookin at what it does
[03:24] <othernoob> are the coolers that come with cpus any good?
[03:25] <^rob^> nalioth: did yo u never used or heared about digikam?
[03:25] <nalioth> ^rob^: so your original question was "where to find" but you've posted a URL. kipi is not there?
[03:26] <nalioth> ^rob^: i'm confused now. does the pkg at that site not work for you?
[03:26] <^rob^> othernoob: depends - i have a box cpu - cooler camed with - it's a 2.4 i have it since... almost 2 years... never changed the cooler... but i keep it clean - once a month or 2 months
[03:26] <nalioth> othernoob: they are designed to work for 3 years
[03:26] <^rob^> nalioth: 1 sec.
[03:27] <^rob^> nalioth: why do you ask - i put the 1.st deb in my sources list, updated packages and now i have a dist-update in progress
[03:28] <othernoob> nalioth: a friend of mine wants me to upgrade his pc, but the budget is limited..so, would you say that buying a different cooler is unneccessary?
[03:28] <^rob^> yes
[03:29] <nalioth> othernoob: unless you are overclocking, the factory heatsink will be fine
[03:29] <^rob^> othernoob: it is completly unnecessary - untill you hear noisy sounds or.. overclocking...
[03:30] <othernoob> noisy sounds as in standard cooler noise or rather a broken vent noise? i assume the latter
[03:30] <^rob^> second.
[03:30] <othernoob> good. he won't be OCing, he just wants to play games
[03:31] <^rob^> usually when a cooler goes down - you will get some messages from the pc - or if you have set in bios at what temperature to shut down pc... you will notice... a shutting down ;)
[03:32] <^rob^> nalioth: i'll tell you if it worked...
[03:33] <othernoob> lol okay, that seems to be good enough. he's not very familiar with pcs, so i'm trying to look for risks in the purchases
[03:34] <^rob^> digikam is cool and easy to use - if you have to resize lots of image or repeating the same process to each image - you have a batch process there - it's in kipi-plugins...
[03:38] <koalah> i did kynaptic for firefox and it's not in the kmenu?
[03:39] <nalioth> ^rob^: please do
[03:39] <torz> kalah: I did mine via synaptic and it was all good.
[03:40] <koalah> hmm
[03:41] <torz> can't you just manually put it in the menu?
[03:41] <koalah> i don't know, lol.
[03:41] <torz> right click on the kmenu button
[03:42] <torz> theres a thing called KDE menu editor
[03:42] <torz> that might help
[03:42] <koalah> k
[03:42] <torz> maybe
[03:43] <torz> besides no shame in running firefox via terminal :p
[03:43] <torz> 90% of the time I dont click the icon
[03:44] <koalah> booyaa
[03:45] <torz> yay :~)
[03:50] <nalioth> terminal is your friend
[03:55] <^rob^> nalioth: it is working.
[03:56] <^rob^> you can add them in sources.list ;)
[03:57] <^rob^> bye
[04:00] <othernoob> nalioth: you got a minute?
[04:01] <nalioth> othernoob: sure thing
[04:04] <othernoob> as i was saying earlier, i'm upgrading a friends pc. or pretty much building the entire thing. i have a 500 budget. so far i have found Corsair 2*512MB DDR for 90, a Sapphire RadeOn 9800SE 256MB DDR for 96 a cheap midi tower for about 30, some extra coolers for the tower for about 20. which leaves me about 250 for hdd, CPU and Mainboard.
[04:04] <othernoob> now i'll use ~50 for a 80GB hdd. leavin 200 for cpu+mb and if neccessary, a better PSU than a 350W, which comes with the tower
[04:04] <othernoob> what would you suggest?
[04:05] <othernoob> unfortunately i have to get a new tower as well since his old one is a mini-tower and i doubt that anything fits in there :/
[04:08] <nalioth> othernoob: hang on a minim, i'm tryin to comprehend your unit of currency (not displaying properly here)
[04:09] <othernoob> sorry, the currency is euro
[04:09] <nalioth> ah
[04:10] <nalioth> 350w is fine for a power supply as long as you dont stick too many drives in it
[04:10] <nalioth> and 1gb ram will definitely make ubuntu happy
[04:10] <othernoob> well, planned is only the 80GB + maybe his old 20GB + cddrive and maybe his old dvddrive
[04:11] <nalioth> windows wont use any more than ~300mb of ram (cuz it sux)
[04:11] <nalioth> i'd not put any more drives than the ones you mentioned
[04:11] <othernoob> well, he'll most likely only use windows. he's a gamer
[04:12] <nalioth> then he'll be well set with 1gb ram
[04:12] <othernoob> so if i could get a cheap tower with a 420 or 460W PSU i should go for it?
[04:12] <nalioth> i'd suggest AMD processors
[04:13] <nalioth> if he doenst know puters, and you're only gonna have those 4 drives in it, 350 is fine
[04:13] <othernoob> yea i thought so too considering their prices, but he lives under the roof, so it's not that cool in his rooms
[04:13] <nalioth> unless the cost is the same for the tower (and the quality is the same for the PS)
[04:13] <nalioth> othernoob: never short yourself on the power supply
[04:13] <othernoob> i can't say much about the quality of the PSU, since they come with the tower
[04:13] <nalioth> othernoob: i'd rather have a good quality 350 then a shoddy larger one
[04:14] <othernoob> i myself have a bequiet!550W..but that cost 80E back when i bought it.
[04:15] <nalioth> for most users who dont know beans about the insides of the box, >= 400w is fine
[04:16] <nalioth> the videocard doesnt need it's own power line, does it?
[04:17] <othernoob> I'm actually not sure. i don't know much about that video card. just picked it because of its price and apparently it's good and should last for another year or two regarding games
[04:18] <nalioth> i dont think it's one of the ones that needs the extra power input
[04:18] <othernoob> mmh, just checked my video card, i have the 9800 pro, and it's connected to the psu
[04:19] <nalioth> othernoob: if the card you are wanting for the build machine requires the extra teat, you might go with a bigger PSu
[04:20] <othernoob> if you know a better card for around 100, just name it. i only checked a few stores and tests so far
[04:21] <othernoob> i've seen the x700 for about the same price but with only 128mb, so i'm not convinced that it is as good as the 9800SE
[04:21] <nalioth> othernoob: i'm far from Europe, i live in Texas
[04:21] <nalioth> i think 128 is plenty, but i do not game
[04:22] <nalioth> i have a nvidia card with 128mb in my powermac
[04:22] <othernoob> yea but prices are pretty much the same..mmh i think 100 euro are like 120 or 130 $
[04:22] <nalioth> othernoob: www.pricewatch.com
[04:24] <othernoob> that's a pretty cool site
[04:28] <othernoob> mmh..i'm undecided regarding motherboards...asrock or gigabyte..mmh..
[04:28] <othernoob> i myself prefer asus.but the other two are cheaper and still good
[04:28] <pussfeller> seen any usb-pci cards that work in linux
[04:29] <krut> othernoob: if you're going linux, it'd be wise to use nvidia
[04:30] <othernoob> pussfeller: sorry, i haven't. but haven't looked for that either
[04:30] <pussfeller> i know theres a bunch of chipsets that work, its matching the chipsets to the seller and model #thats the prob
[04:30] <othernoob> krut: yea i know, but it's unlikely that he'll use linux for more than a rescue-CD
[04:30] <krut> oh
[04:31] <krut> i didn't see that.
[04:31] <pussfeller> i heard the ati support has gotten alot better recently
[04:31] <othernoob> krut: he's just a gamer and his daughter just a chatter..
[04:31] <krut> pussfeller: it has... but it still needs to come a way.
[04:31] <othernoob> i've convinced her to use gaim instead of icq today :)
[04:31] <pussfeller> heh
[04:32] <pussfeller> thats old school
[04:33] <othernoob> what are the intel 775? are those 64bit?
[04:34] <krut> isn't that the new socket type for intel?
[04:34] <krut> lga?
[04:35] <othernoob> yea
[04:35] <othernoob> i haven't read much about hardware for the last 2 years.. :/
[04:36] <krut> I've lost interest
[04:36] <krut> Or an obligation. (Quit gaming.)
[04:37] <othernoob> lol. nice words
[04:39] <krut> heh
[05:00] <yonkeltron> sigh
[05:19] <Talim> I just installed kubuntu
[05:19] <Talim> I'm in love with it!
[05:19] <Talim> but i do need some help
[05:19] <yonkeltron> ok shoot
[05:20] <Talim> well, im on a laptop and the touchpad is a bit too sensitive now, how do i turn it down :P
[05:20] <yonkeltron> uhhh
[05:20] <yonkeltron> ok
[05:20] <Talim> and other things
[05:21] <yonkeltron> open up kcontrolcenter
[05:21] <Talim> like identd and wifi
[05:21] <Talim> k
[05:21] <yonkeltron> one thing at a time Talim
[05:21] <Talim> alright :)
[05:21] <yonkeltron> and under peripherals there should be a mouse entry with everything you need
[05:21] <Xorlev> 'lo Talim, go in well?
[05:21] <Talim> thanks :D
[05:21] <Talim> yes, very well :)
[05:21] <yonkeltron> Talim: let me know how that works out and we can reevaluate
[05:23] <Talim> k, i got that fixed
[05:23] <Talim> how do i set up my identd?
[05:24] <yonkeltron> identd is something i am not as familiar with
[05:24] <yonkeltron> wifi however....might be easier
[05:24] <yonkeltron> or rather
[05:24] <yonkeltron> different
[05:24] <Talim> ok
[05:24] <Talim> well, i do need help with that
[05:25] <Talim> how do i get it to recognize my card?
[05:25] <yonkeltron> what card?
[05:25] <yonkeltron> and what laptop?
[05:25] <Talim> i'm not sure, sec, i'm on an Acer TravelMate 2303LCi
[05:26] <yonkeltron> ok
[05:26] <yonkeltron> pop open a konsole and give lspci a shot
[05:26] <yonkeltron> see if it reveals a wifi card
[05:27] <Talim>  INPROCOMM IPN 2220 Wireless LAN Adapter (rev 01)
[05:27] <Talim> probally? :P
[05:28] <yonkeltron> yeah
[05:28] <yonkeltron> seems like it
[05:28] <yonkeltron> ok
[05:29] <Talim> any idea what im gonna need to do? :)
[05:45] <Talim> unable to autodetect wireless interface
[05:45] <Talim> Yes! The card works fine as ndis0, by using i2220.sys and
[05:45] <Talim> NET2G54L.inf, on FreeBSD-current.
[05:45] <Talim> but on google i did find that
[05:46] <Talim> any help at all? or do i need to look harder?
[05:46] <nalioth> Talim: sorry, i know nothing about wireless
[05:47] <Talim> alright, thanks
[05:47] <Talim> this looks like it's gonna be a long uphill struggle
[05:48] <Talim> but i have all the time in the world... :|
[05:49] <Talim> i have to learn how to use this: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[05:50] <nalioth> learning is life
[05:50] <Talim> alright :) i'm gonna go in their irc channel and bug them
[05:50] <Talim> thanks guys
[05:51] <yonkeltron> Talim: i have an idea
[05:51] <yonkeltron> Talim: try #wireless
[05:52] <Talim> nah, i figured it out slightly
[05:52] <Talim> i need to use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers
[05:52] <Talim> installing that is my next difficult task
[05:52] <Talim> but i'm prepared to go it alone
[05:58] <Talim> simple newbie question, in konsole how do i run something as root?
[05:59] <nalioth>  Talim a console program?
[05:59] <nalioth> Talim: or startin a gui app?
[06:00] <Talim> i'm trying to compile something
[06:00] <nalioth> Talim: then use "sudo" <command>
[06:00] <nalioth> Talim: but for launching gui apps, use "kdesu <gui-app>"
[06:01] <Talim> thanks :) didn't work though
[06:01] <Talim> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/mike/ndiswrapper-1.3rc1/driver'
[06:01] <Talim> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build;
[06:01] <Talim> do you know what i'm doing wrong?
[06:03] <nalioth> you need to install your kernel sources
[06:03] <nalioth> search in synaptic
[06:03] <Talim> ok
[06:03] <nalioth> i unfortunately can't tell you which pkg to get, cuz i dont operate a x86 box
[06:04] <Talim> what should it be under?
[06:05] <nalioth> search for "kernel"
[06:06] <Talim> oh, i get it now, thanks :)
[06:07] <nalioth> Talim: i'm good for most answers. I run macintosh hardware so am not as knowledgable about x85 arches as i could be
[06:11] <Talim> ok, i'm quite sure i installed it but it still isn't working
[06:11] <Kuolio> nalioth: it's x86 ;D
[06:12] <Talim> I think i'm not doing something right
[06:12] <nalioth> Kuolio: i am that old.
[06:13] <nalioth> Talim: install in synaptic "linux-kernel-headers"
[06:13] <Talim> it's installed
[06:14] <nalioth> Talim: perhaps the larger knowledge pool in #ubuntu can help you
[06:14] <Talim> ok i'll ask in there :) thanks
[06:31] <runelind> EHLO
[06:34] <runelind> installing kubuntu right now, but have been having issues in the past
[06:34] <runelind> wondering if it is hardware issues on this laptop, it's been picky about what it lets on it lately
[06:36] <nalioth> runelind: if all your attempts (with different distros) are 'touchy' then perhaps it is hardware - related
[06:47] <thorg> hi, is there a nice way to upgrade your wireless-tools (a deb somewhere)? I have the new 2.6.13 kernel which supports my pcmcia now, but iwconfig complains that my kernel has "version 18" of the wireless extensions and iwconfig is "version 17", and it isn't setting up my card properly.
[06:49] <nalioth> thorg: using debian pkgs can futz up your ubuntu install
[06:49] <nalioth> thorg: have you checked backports?
[06:49] <runelind> "there was a problem installing the selected software"
[06:49] <runelind> one or more packages failed to install
[06:49] <thorg> nalioth: no, I used kpkg, is that also bad though?
[06:50] <thorg> nalioth: no, haven't check backports, where is this?
[06:50] <nalioth> kpkg?
[06:50] <nalioth> is that like kynaptic?
[06:51] <thorg> nalioth: kernel-package, make config like usual, and then run kpkg to make a deb of your custom kernel
[06:51] <nalioth> thorg: thought we were talking bout iwconfig
[06:51] <nalioth> !tell thorg about backports
[06:52] <thorg> nalioth: aha, yes I do have backports actually
[06:52] <nalioth> then i dont want to advise you on kernel mucking
[06:57] <thorg> nalioth: bummer. my pcmcia locks up with the default kernel though. configurations like nolapic don't help :( oh well thanks, I will compile new tools from scratch see if that works
[06:57] <nalioth> thorg: i dont advise folks on kernel stuff
[06:59] <nalioth> Talim: alien
[07:00] <Talim> ok
[07:00] <nalioth> Talim: what confuses you?
[07:00] <Talim> someone said something else
[07:01] <nalioth> Talim: you know alien, right?
[07:01] <Talim> i dont really know alien, but i did it
[07:01] <Talim> and it seems to be done
[07:01] <Talim> so now what?
[07:02] <Talim> where did it go? :)
[07:02] <nalioth> it installed to wherever it was supposed to go
[07:03] <Talim> alright, i'm not sure where that is but cool
[07:10] <Talim> i think i fail!
[07:14] <Talim> well, fuck, did it go to /etc?
[07:14] <nalioth> waht are you looking for?
[07:15] <Talim> pyslsk
[07:15] <Talim> which i think i installed
[07:16] <nalioth> Talim: open a terminal and type "sudo updatedb"
[07:17] <Talim> k done
[07:17] <FractuS> Talim: hi men
[07:18] <nalioth> Talim: when that finishes, you can "locate pyslsk"
[07:19] <Talim> /usr/bin/pyslsk yay good times!
[07:19] <Talim> and hello FractuS
[07:21] <Talim> Can not find PySoulSeek modules.
[07:21] <Talim> Perhaps they're installed in a directory which is not
[07:21] <Talim> in an interpreter's module search path.
[07:21] <Talim> (there could be a version mismatch between
[07:21] <Talim> what version of python was used to build the PySoulSeek
[07:21] <Talim> binary package and what you try to run PySoulSeek with.)
[07:21] <Talim> eeeeek
[07:21] <nalioth> build them
[07:22] <Talim> alright, how? :)
[07:22] <nalioth> ask uncle google to show you pysoulseek homepage, grab the source from there
[07:23] <Talim> pyslsk-1.2.7b.tar.gz - the source (that you can also run right after unpacking, no compilation or Linux emulation is needed)
[07:23] <Talim> k i have that
[07:24] <nalioth> Talim: then now is the time to pet the cat
[07:24] <nalioth> as in "cat README|more"
[07:24] <Talim> k
[07:24] <nalioth> or "cat INSTALL|more"
[07:27] <Talim> pyslsk-1.2.7b$ python setup.py install
[07:27] <Talim> running install
[07:27] <Talim> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[07:27] <Talim> :(
[07:27] <Talim> i think i need to install more crap
[07:29] <nalioth> Talim: oh crap!
[07:29] <nalioth> Talim: open up your synaptic (kdesu synaptic) and install your python dev libs
[07:41] <Talim> i updated a ton of stuff
[07:41] <Talim> so i'm listening to a cd while i wait :)
[07:42] <nalioth> jazz on
[07:51] <Talim> Can not find wxPython modules. Either wxPython is not
[07:51] <Talim> installed, or it's not in Python's module search path (it could be built
[07:51] <Talim> for a different version of python interpreter for example). The current
[07:51] <Talim> search path is
[07:51] <Talim> aw :(
[07:53] <nalioth> Talim: wxpython - bleh -dev
[07:53] <nalioth> Talim: this is probably weird to some folks, but i searched in synaptic for '-dev' and installed everything
[07:57] <Talim> crashed hard
[07:59] <nalioth> Talim: this is probably weird to some folks, but i searched in synaptic for '-dev' and installed everything
[08:35] <gath> hi there
[08:36] <hmmf> hi ppl, anyone have a solution for a cd burner in ubuntu/kubuntu pls
[08:36] <gath> anybody knows where i can download kubuntu 5.04 DVD, but no bittorrent
[08:37] <hmmf> nowhere on the same page gath?
[08:37] <hmmf> might be easiest to d/l bittorent
[08:38] <hmmf> its a nobrainer to install with an rpm or you may have it
[08:38] <gath> i used bittorrent, but it is so slowly 20k/s
[08:39] <hmmf> I just got kubuntu  @200k/s all the way not real flash but ok
[08:39] <hmmf> you on dialup
[08:41] <hmmf> anyone know a cdburner or cdrdao for ubuntu out there please???
[08:42] <hmmf> anyone  using ubuntu??? :)
[08:42] <shogouki> k3b
[08:42] <hmmf> needs  cdrdao
[08:42] <hmmf> cant findd it
[08:43] <shogouki> sudo apt-get install k3b ?
[08:43] <hmmf> tried with cdrdao why not, thanks shogouki
[08:47] <skalpel> can someone tell me how to change my default movie player from noatun to kaffeine?
[08:47] <skalpel> please?
[08:48] <nalioth> skalpel: in konqueror, right click on your movie files, click 'open with' and at the bottom of the dialog, check the "always open with" or whatever it is
[08:49] <shogouki> or in kcontrol
[08:49] <shogouki> kde components tab
[09:02] <aftertaf> hmmf, whered he go??
[09:02] <aftertaf> needs to add more repositories.
[09:02] <skalpel> who?
[09:02] <aftertaf> !info cdrdao
[09:02] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB
[09:02] <aftertaf> skalpel:  hmmf :)
[09:03] <skalpel> hmmf
[09:03] <skalpel> how can i help you?
[09:04] <aftertaf> lol skalpel he's gone now...
[09:05] <nalioth> aftertaf: add all the repos
[09:06] <aftertaf> nalioth:  not for me....... for hmmf who is gone now.
[09:06] <nalioth> for anyone: add all repos ubuntu offers
[09:06] <aftertaf> lol :D
[09:06] <aftertaf> add *everything*
[09:07] <nalioth> in 4 weeks, we're gonna be back to "dont use backports" and all the rest of the drivel
[09:08] <aftertaf> yeah but for now..... install till it smokes on boot time :)
[09:08] <aftertaf> just updated kde core stuff with adept... works a treat.
[09:18] <skalpel> can someone explain this error to me?
[09:18] <skalpel> xine: couldn't find demux for >http://av.adobe.com/education/2005winners/time2_park.mov<
[09:18] <skalpel> input_http: content length = 6134654 bytes
[09:18] <skalpel> xine: found input plugin : http input plugin
[09:18] <skalpel> >>> Check if another program already uses PCM <<<
[09:18] <skalpel> snd_pcm_open() failed:-16:Device or resource busy
[09:19] <nalioth> your sound device is being used by something else
[09:42] <spiral> hi
[09:42] <nalioth> howdy
[10:08] <Cosmos> hi?
[10:08] <Cosmos>
[10:08] <Tm_T> ok
[10:31] <mornfall> Riddell: re
[10:31] <mornfall> Riddell: just mail me the backtraces if you have 'em :)
[10:31] <mornfall> Riddell: so far all the crashes i have got are related
[10:32] <mornfall> Riddell: i guess i'll ask for b.k.o entry
[10:32] <mornfall> now, breakfast
[10:32] <Mez> b.k.o?
[10:33] <CCFIEL> hello ppl..
[10:33] <CCFIEL> what is kde ppp dialer?
[10:33] <Mez> hmm
[10:34] <Tm_T> kppp
[10:34] <Tm_T> ?
[10:35] <nalioth> Mez: free
[11:11] <elwood> hi all
[11:11] <elwood> someone can help me wit ha 3com card?
[11:11] <nalioth> elwood: wireless?
[11:17] <elwood> no
[11:17] <elwood> old pci
[11:18] <elwood> is supported? at the installation it says that could not find it but lspci says yes
[11:18] <nalioth> elwood: it should work just fine ootb
[11:18] <elwood> i need some modules, right?
[11:21] <sorrylooking_> hello there... which program should i use to install new programs such as amarok? ..or which command - in the console? (like "urpmi" in mandrake)... thanks
[11:22] <nalioth> sorrylooking_: use kynaptic
[11:25] <sorrylooking_> nailoth - sorry.. erm, how should i do that? i tried alt+f2 - kynaptic.. but it told me there was no such program.. what's wrong? (sorry - a newbie)
[11:25] <aftertaf> sorrylooking_:  check in the system menu
[11:26] <P3L|C4N0> sorrylooking_, in console $ sudo aptitude install package
[11:26] <sorrylooking_> got it - synaptic? package manager, right?
[11:26] <sorrylooking_> P3l - thanks
[11:27] <P3L|C4N0> ;)
[11:27] <nalioth> P3L|C4N0: no not that
[11:27] <nalioth> sorrylooking_: not that
[11:28] <nalioth> sorrylooking_: from a console, type "kdesu synaptic"
[11:28] <nalioth> P3L|C4N0: using sudo on KDE gui apps can screw the permissions
[11:28] <sorrylooking_> ok
[11:28] <nalioth> P3L|C4N0: and other userspace settings
[11:29] <sorrylooking_> the problem is, it tells me the root password is wrong:))..
[11:29] <nalioth> sorrylooking_: there is no root password
[11:29] <nalioth> !tell sorrylooking_ about root
[11:36] <aftertaf> sorrylooking_:  put your own password
[11:37] <elwood> how many ram i need for ubuntu?
[11:38] <nalioth> elwood: you can run it with 32, but it'll be horrible to behold
[11:38] <sorrylooking_> m, got it.. but it still doesnt work. the password worked with the login though... so i am sure theres no mistake
[11:38] <nalioth> elwood: 128 to have a nice gui
[11:41] <sorrylooking_> ...i typed my pass - it sais "the communication with 'su' failed"...
[11:42] <nalioth> sorrylooking_: what were you trying to do in the first place?
[11:43] <sorrylooking_> nailoth: i'd like to install some programs. i was used with mandrake to log as root and type "urpmi amarok" or to use the drakconf..
[11:43] <sorrylooking_> so i did what you told me - typed in the console - kdesu synaptic - then i typed my pass..
[11:56] <paines> hi
[11:57] <paines> i upgraded to breezy and now the kde apps have some strange outline around the components, like buttons and boxes. any idea what's wrong
[11:59] <^rob^> howdy
[11:59] <^rob^> can you change the server type (pop3 to imap) in thunderbird account settings?
[12:00] <^rob^> my isp has closed pop3 - no clue why! - and opened an imap instead
[12:00] <paines> ^rob^, why don't you add a new accout, choose imap, and delete the old pop3
[12:01] <^rob^> umm - it's the only way?
[12:01] <^rob^> i don't want to loose my old mails
[12:01] <Chousuke> ^rob^: maybe because imap is better than pop3
[12:01] <^rob^> and i have a list of 5 mail accounts
[12:01] <^rob^> this is the second in list
[12:01] <Chousuke> ^rob^: the old mails are usually stored locally.
[12:01] <^rob^> if i add a new - will be the last...
[12:01] <paines> ^rob^, youjust delete the account information, not the pop3 folder
[12:01] <^rob^> this mail settings is important
[12:01] <Chousuke> just copy them in a folder.
[12:02] <paines> correct, export them to a file or something
[12:02] <^rob^> there's no other way?
[12:02] <Chousuke> Probably not
[12:03] <paines> well, cou could bounce them back to you mail provider and then you have them all in your imap filder
[12:04] <paines> but i never did that
[12:04] <Chousuke> and can't you re-order the list? why is the order important anyway? :P
[12:04] <Chousuke> you can just create the imap account and drag all mails into the imap folder.
[12:04] <Chousuke> so they should be copied over.
[12:04] <^rob^> i can't reorder the list - it is important - the 1.st 2 list is company mails
[12:04] <^rob^> rest are personal
[12:05] <nalioth> ^rob^: you wont lose your old mail
[12:06] <paines> ^rob^, http://mailredirect.mozdev.org/index.html
[12:06] <nalioth> ^rob^: your mail is in a text file in the ~./mozilla-thunderbird  or ~/.thunderbird directory
[12:06] <^rob^> k - i'll read that link
[12:06] <^rob^> brb
[12:07] <nalioth> ^rob^: back up your above directorys, (whichever one is applicable) b4 you set up your new account
[12:07] <^rob^> paines: i don't need mail redirect!
[12:07] <^rob^> nalioth: ty for the sugestion..
[12:15] <^rob^> i think i might be able to fix orders... in pref.js
[12:42] <jimmy_neutron> hi
[12:42] <jimmy_neutron> where is the "C:\" directory wine uses?
[12:44] <morrow> ~/.wine/drive_c/
[01:24] <jimmy_neutron> thx
[01:25] <jimmy_neutron> is there any list with bluetooth (usb-)adapters that work well with kubuntu?
[01:25] <aftertaf> i'd google around...
[01:25] <nalioth_zZz> jimmy_neutron: on the wiki.ubuntu.com there is a hardware compatibility article
[01:25] <aftertaf> !bluetooth
[01:25] <ubotu> aftertaf: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:26] <jimmy_neutron> k, thx
[01:26] <nalioth_zZz> aftertaf: the bot isnt omnicient
[01:26] <aftertaf> lol
[01:28] <buz> is the kde update of today safe?
[01:29] <buz> they usually are but hey, you never know
[01:29] <aftertaf> buz:  hope so, or its too late for me..
[01:30] <buz> did you restart x already?
[01:30] <buz> i'll just backup the whole disk and go ahead
[01:30] <jimmy_neutron> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport?highlight=%28hardware%29 <-- nothing about bluetooth
[01:31] <nalioth_zZz> jimmy_neutron: see the forums, then ubuntuforums.com
[01:31] <aftertaf> buz:  nope not yet.
[01:31] <aftertaf> goog idea :)
[01:31] <buz> thankfully i got enough space on the second hd
[01:31] <seaLne> jimmy_neutron: i've got some belkin ones working not sure what model tho
[01:31] <nalioth_zZz> aftertaf: i leave it in your capable hands
[01:32] <ilba7r> !sound
[01:32] <ubotu> somebody said sound was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[01:33] <jimmy_neutron> kk, thx
[01:36] <aftertaf> seems ok :D
[01:46] <buz> aftertaf: wish me luck
[01:48] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:48] <aftertaf> good luck.........
[01:48] <aftertaf> too late
[01:48] <aftertaf> mornfall:  since yesterday, no adept crashes...
[01:48] <aftertaf> used -4 times to update, install , search etc
[01:49] <jimmy_neutron> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580695 <-- o0
[01:50] <aftertaf> only thing is its a bit slow refreshing at times with the filters...
[01:50] <aftertaf> P3/500 ??
[01:53] <buz> kde update doesnt seem to have any ill effects
[01:57] <mornfall> aftertaf: there is one known crash (fixed on my harddrive though)
[01:57] <mornfall> aftertaf: p3/500 = your cpu?
[01:57] <aftertaf> yep
[01:57] <aftertaf> dell laptop
[01:57] <mornfall> aftertaf: well, yes, it is a bit slow...
[01:58] <mornfall> on a p4/3000 it's pretty fast though ;P
[01:58] <aftertaf> :(
[01:58] <aftertaf> i use a max of 49% of my 256M ram
[01:59] <aftertaf> 1% of swap.
[01:59] <aftertaf> proc @ 100%
[01:59] <aftertaf> :/
[01:59] <mornfall> aftertaf: how many available packages?
[02:01] <aftertaf> dunno, applying updates....
[02:01] <aftertaf> done: 16493 avaibable ;)
[02:01] <aftertaf> fu*k :)
[02:51] <[A] ndy80> hi
[02:52] <jjesse> morng [A] ndy80
[02:52] <[A] ndy80> I'd like to test the new Ubuntu 5.10 release 4.... but I like KDE... can I install it and then install kde or do I have to wait for Kubuntu 5.10 to be released?
[02:53] <jjesse> i think there are daily builds of kubuntu that you can download
[02:54] <jjesse> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[02:54] <MrPoke> [A] ndy80 you can install kde after using "sudo apt-get install kubunu-desktop"
[02:54] <jjesse> for the daily build of kubuntu
[02:54] <MrPoke> oops you may want to spell it right :-p
[02:55] <[A] ndy80> MrPoke: ok, cool :)
[02:55] <buz> is there already a firm release date for breezy?
[02:55] <[A] ndy80> jjesse: thanks to you too, but I prefear the release, not the daily snapshot
[02:56] <jjesse> thats as close as the colony 4 cd that is a part of ubuntu
[02:56] <jjesse> colony 4 is the latest ubuntu breezy badger build
[02:57] <jjesse> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar the release of breezy badger is oct. 13
[02:57] <buz> well i'll test the rc once i'm done with my exams late sept
[03:05] <[A] ndy80> if I install the preview 4 of 5.10, is it easy (for example with an apt-get distro-upgrade) to switch to the final release?
[03:06] <jjesse> thats how i moved from warty to hoary w/ no issues
[03:07] <[A] ndy80> perfect
[04:26] <[ITA] MisterX> WHAT!
[04:56] <hvv> hello
[05:09] <yoswink> nas
[05:10] <yoswink> madre que de gente
[05:10] <edulix> ya ves
[05:10] <edulix> :P
[05:10] <yoswink> ops sorry, i was thinking this was kubuntu-es :/
[05:10] <edulix> hehe :)
[05:12] <znh> test one two three
[05:12] <znh> can you guys receive me?
[05:12] <buz> yes
[05:12] <znh> hey hey.. it's working
[05:12] <znh> thanks buz :P
[05:13] <znh> anyways I have some weird issue..
[05:13] <znh> my USB MP3 player seems to be have 174 megs of space, while it should be 254 (256 says the creator, but that's always a lie)
[05:14] <znh> and in other operating systems it was indeed 254 MB
[05:23] <nikkia> znh, when  you say 'other OSes reported it as 254MB'   was that viewing  it as a disk, or in some vendor-provided media manager?
[05:25] <othernoob> what's the gnome equivalent to kmix? gmix?
[05:36] <suedkaliber> re
[05:36] <suedkaliber> hey guys, i'm new to ubuntu...
[05:37] <libben> then go to #ubuntu then =)
[05:37] <suedkaliber> i come from gentoo and installed from latest kubuntu cd...
[05:37] <suedkaliber> !!
[05:37] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[05:37] <kinfo> what?
[05:37] <libben> then u should stay
[05:37] <suedkaliber> ;)
[05:37] <suedkaliber> i have a problem with kde 3.4...! It doesnt save the keyboard shortcuts for commands
[05:39] <suedkaliber> i want WINDOWS+Space for konsole, give it this cut and say apply, but nothing happens, when i go again to the point in kcontrol to set it... the shortcut was not safed! BUG?
[05:40] <suedkaliber> does anybody know?
[05:48] <ToyMan2> can someone point me to a good explanation of where the repositories for apt-get live and what the +/- factors are for each?
[05:52] <znh> nikkia, it was viewing it as a disk
[05:52] <znh> nikkia, and the USB player software self also sees it as 254 MB disk
[05:53] <flo_> i want WINDOWS+Space for konsole, give it this cut and say apply, but nothing happens, when i go again to the point in kcontrol to set it... the shortcut was not safed! BUG?
[05:53] <flo_> i have a problem with kde 3.4...! It doesnt save the keyboard shortcuts for commands
[05:53] <flo_> does anybody know?
[05:54] <znh> flo, be sure your user has permissions for your .kde folder
[05:55] <ToyMan2> so, I see in sources.list that I'm pointed at 'hoary'...
[05:56] <ToyMan2> i'm assuming that's the older and more stable one, yes?
[05:56] <ToyMan2> is there a more up-to-date repository that won't kill me in the stability dept.?
[05:56] <znh> ToyMan2, hoaryhedgehog is stable version of ubuntu :)
[05:57] <ToyMan> znh: yes, but there seems to be a lot of packages that aren't included
[05:57] <znh> ToyMan, the repo's are very up2date.. you only might to need some more others
[05:57] <znh> !sources
[05:57] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:57] <ToyMan> ah, cool
[05:57] <ToyMan> thanks
[05:57] <znh> welcome
[05:58] <flo_> znh, my user have to! i
[05:58] <flo_> logged in as the user
[05:59] <flo_> the settings are for
[06:00] <kism> hi
[06:00] <libben> flo_ i wanna do that feature too.. where can i find these shortcut thingy? =)
[06:03] <calilasseia> Hello everyone ...
[06:04] <calilasseia> Anyone in ???
[06:05] <calilasseia> Hello _hettar  ...
[06:06] <calilasseia> Anyone here know anything about moutning NTFS partitions ???
[06:06] <calilasseia> Try "mounting" ...
[06:07] <libben> mount ntfs partition on google
[06:07] <libben> should give u several examples
[06:07] <flo_> libben: kcontrol-regio---.shortcuts
[06:07] <libben> or look at the ubuntu guide faq
[06:07] <calilasseia> Right ... would these examples be generic or would they be specific to particular distros?
[06:07] <calilasseia> Firing up Google now ...
[06:08] <libben> flo_ is it in the kde menu or is it command only
[06:08] <libben> calilasseia: well, add +ubuntu to the search term
[06:08] <calilasseia> Right ... will do ...
[06:09] <spaci76> hi@ll
[06:12] <libben> calilasseia: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ u can look in there also
[06:12] <calilasseia> Already looking there libben... thanks anyway :)
[06:12] <libben> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:13] <libben> look there then
[06:14] <libben> calilasseia: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[06:14] <libben> there u goo
[06:14] <libben> http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[06:15] <calilasseia> Got it ... I'll pass these details on to the guy who asked me ...
[06:15] <znh> Hmm I am trying to install the ATi drivers with the graphical auto install of Ati but it gives this error in his log: [Error]  Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme.
[06:16] <calilasseia> By the way, does the "man" entry for fstab & co cover NTFS issues also? Only I'll look there also if it does ...
[06:17] <libben> fstab u can find on ubuntuguide also
[06:17] <libben> it doesnt cover it
[06:17] <calilasseia> Right ...
[06:17] <libben> but it tells u how to restart fstab
[06:17] <calilasseia> Just thought someone might have updated "man" to cover this ... covering all the bases to be sure ... :)
[06:17] <libben> so u dont need to reboot ur pc, for getting the ntfs part avaible
[06:18] <[A] ndy80> How can I get the current X resolution? I don't know if I've 1024x768 or 1280x800... is it available a command to know it? Thanks
[06:18] <calilasseia> Wow ... you mean the moment the commands are issued successfully, an NTFS partition will be visible just like that???
[06:18] <libben> sorta =)
[06:19] <libben> u can get it directly started with just a command....
[06:19] <libben> but if u want it everytime, u need to put it in fstab file
[06:19] <calilasseia> Hmm, that suggests one or two other things need to be done to make the procedure bomb proof :)
[06:19] <calilasseia> Checking the Ubuntu guide now ...
[06:19] <libben> read on ubuntuguide its a great place for the small little hacks.
[06:24] <calilasseia> OK, creating a text file to help my friend on this one ... cribbing from the guide in a nice friendly manner he'll understand :)
[06:26] <libben> why not just point him to the ubuntuguide site?
[06:28] <libben> could eat a cow right now
[06:30] <nikkia> libben: please refrain from directing people to ubuntu guide, as it is considered a bad source of information, and the wiki provides almost all of the topics, but with correct, and less dangerous, solutions
[06:31] <nikkia> (and also, since the author appears to have blacklisted all [k] ubuntu regulars/ops, we have no way of telling if what you're pointing people at is even remotely accurate anymore)
[06:35] <aseigo> nikkia: author or what?
[06:39] <calilasseia> Ah nikkia ... just read your comment ...
[06:39] <calilasseia> Where's this wiki then?
[06:44] <mornfall> Riddell: ping?
[06:46] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[06:46] <calilasseia> Think I found it ...
[06:46] <mornfall> Riddell: hi :), if you want to, feel free to upload to archive, but make sure it builds first (i will be around to consult in the opposite case) -- also make sure you upload all dependencies
[06:46] <mornfall> Riddell: _and_ i am making a second beta soonish
[06:46] <mornfall> Riddell: (if the crash you got is the same as everyone else got, it is fixed by now, too)
[06:48] <calilasseia> Found the Wiki, but the documentation on mounting NTFS partitions is in Bulgarian!
[06:48] <mornfall> Riddell: if you have some more feedback, either me at mornfall dot net or bugs.kde.org :)
[06:48] <mornfall> Riddell: the product is "adept"
[06:48] <mornfall> Riddell: or just here at irc, but it's easier to look up in mailbox
[06:49] <Riddell> mornfall: cool, I'll try and get it uploaded this evening
[06:50] <mornfall> Riddell: hmm, do you have some sort of "experimental" archive that doesn't go through autobuilders?
[06:50] <Riddell> mornfall: nope
[06:50] <Riddell> mornfall: why would it take all night?
[06:50] <calilasseia> Nikkia, the Kubuntu wiki seems not to have all that much on the subject ...
[06:51] <Riddell> getting it through NEW will take longer
[06:51] <mornfall> Riddell: well, because it's 4 packages that each need previous one installed to build...
[06:51] <Riddell> ju
[06:51] <mornfall> Riddell: i think
[06:51] <Riddell> just set the build-deps to have the right versions and it'll sort itself out
[06:51] <mornfall> tagcoll, libdebtags1, libapt-front, adept
[06:51] <mornfall> they should be fine
[06:51] <mornfall> (build-deps)
[06:52] <calilasseia> Nikkia ... can I ask a favour???
[06:52] <mornfall> but i still am not sure it will work out of the box... well try and you'll see ;)
[06:55] <calilasseia> Got to go ... something's cropped up ... thanks anyway ... I'll see if this info works ...
[06:55] <calilasseia> Bye ...
[06:58] <Riddell> mornfall: what version of debtags does adept need?
[06:59] <mornfall> Riddell: 1.4
[07:00] <mornfall> i think it's in debian experimental
[07:00] <Riddell> hmm, ubuntu is about to get a debtags 1.3.2 upload
[07:00] <mornfall> Riddell: booh
[07:01] <mornfall> 1.3.2 is way too old :)
[07:01] <mornfall> there has been an extensive refactoring since
[07:02] <Riddell> mornfall: could you /join #ubuntu-motu
[07:03] <djib> LO
[07:04] <jpatrick> what's with the caps..
[07:04] <djib> it says hello
[07:06] <djib> how to choose in kmail the folder in which sent messages are stored ?
[07:07] <djib> I just found it sorry
[07:07] <jpatrick> :p
[07:07] <djib> it's in the options, you choose it with the profile
[07:07] <jpatrick> I know
[07:10] <jpatrick> or with the accounts
[07:11] <djib> yeah that's what I meant
[07:15] <aftertaf> hehe
[07:33] <hussam> what's with irc.freenode.net today?
[07:34] <jpatrick> some crashes..
[07:36] <frank23> new kde security fix?
[07:40] <djib> are there tag for photos ?
[07:40] <djib> like mp3s ?
[07:41] <djib> I'm looking for the best way to organise my photos
[07:41] <djib> I have about 5000... and more to come !
[07:44] <djib> or do you know a good software ?
[07:45] <jpatrick> digiKam
[07:48] <ToyMan> djib: try KimDaBa
[07:49] <jpatrick> digiKam won a TUX 2005 Readers Choice Award
[07:49] <djib> jpatrick: I've tried digikam, I've seen you can input some keywords, but are they stored in the file, or in some other place ?
[07:49] <jpatrick> djib: dunno
[07:49] <djib> I mean if I decide to stop using digikam, will all my work be lost ?
[07:50] <jpatrick> I think it's in a .db file
[07:50] <jpatrick> in my collection there's a digikam.db file
[07:51] <djib> ToyMan: I'll have a look
[07:52] <ToyMan> weird name, and the interface is unusual, but wicked fast at organizing lots of photos :-)
[08:00] <djib> but are there some kind of tags for photos ?
[08:03] <nikkia> djib: yes, there are
[08:03] <djib> nikkia: tell me, tell me ...
[08:03] <djib> ^^
[08:03] <jpatrick> lol
[08:04] <djib> kimdaba looks good toyman
[08:04] <maurice> hi
[08:04] <djib> nikkia: how does the 'photo tags' work ?
[08:04] <djib> hello maurice
[08:04] <nikkia> djib: there is IPTC and EXIF
[08:05] <maurice> just a little question I forgot the command to run something as root
[08:05] <jsubl2> sudo
[08:05] <maurice> AAAAH thats it!!
[08:06] <maurice> thank u!!!
[08:06] <nikkia> djib: they're fairly generic tags, they can contain whatever the camera wants them to contain, usually, at least the camera used, the time and date, and possibly the settings used (exposure time, lens aperature, etc)
[08:06] <djib> oh yes, I've seen that
[08:07] <maurice> thanks a lot!! bye bye
[08:07] <djib> but can you store information like 'person' 'place'
[08:07] <djib> I don't think so
[08:07] <nikkia> djib: you *could*
[08:07] <nikkia> djib: the camera couldn't determine things like that automatically, tho, obviously
[08:08] <nikkia> EXIF allows for GPS co-ordinates tho
[08:09] <chx> hi. how could I verify that my video card supports or not such a weirdo res: 1680 x 1050
[08:09] <nikkia> IPTC has keywords, which i suspect that iPhoto and the like use to index pictures
[08:12] <djib> ok, i'll have a look at those
[08:13] <soliste> any of you have problems for burning with k3b and kde 3.4.2 ?
[08:30] <djib> well I think I'll go for digikam
[08:35] <znh> hm.. are there operators around here?
[08:35] <znh> It's very important
[08:36] <znh> !ops
[08:36] <ubotu> ops is, like, totally, Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[08:37] <znh> crimsun, you there?
[09:08] <paines> anyone updated to breezy and have kde looking a bit weired. there are ugly outline around components like buttons, boxes etc
[09:12] <Blissex> paines: DONT update to Breezy who does not exist yet.
[09:13] <Blissex> paines: in any case look at the theme manager -- there is a theme that does exactly that.
[09:13] <paines> well, i thought ut has to be tested ;)
[09:13] <paines> ut=it
[09:14] <paines> right, when i change the theme it is okay, until i start a new kde app. this app will have the outline again
[09:14] <elvirolo> hi all
[09:17] <elvirolo> many entries are missing in my menu ... i'm using breezy
[09:18] <_chavo> elvirolo, breezy is testing
[09:18] <elvirolo> yes i know, this was just in case someone knew a workaround :-D
[09:19] <chavo> yes, run hoary for 4 more weeks :)
[09:19] <chavo> I have breezy on a seperate partition
[09:19] <chavo> but I haven't updated it in a while
[09:20] <paines> elvirolo, i updated to, to the development breezy repos. i don't use the menu much in kde, but mine is loaded with stuff
[09:20] <elvirolo> strange
[09:20] <elvirolo> krdc, kmail and firefox don't appear for isntanc
[09:20] <elvirolo> e
[09:21] <paines> found all in internet
[09:22] <paines> elvirolo, but I don't have fonts in firefox
[09:22] <paines> hrhr
[09:23] <elvirolo> strange
[09:23] <paines> what platform do you have ? mine ia amd64
[09:24] <john_> is there a C++ programming irc channel?
[09:24] <_djib> anyone has a chinese input program working ?
[09:24] <paines> john_, /j #c++
[09:24] <_djib> like SCIM
[09:24] <Blissex> john_: #CrackIsBetter :-)
[09:25] <Blissex> paines: not even one font? That's suspicious :-)
[09:25] <paines> yup
[09:25] <john_> Blissex:  <_<
[09:26] <Blissex> john_: actually #CrackIsBetter for C++ programmers trying to improve their life :-)
[09:27] <rdickel> #join solaris
[09:27] <paines> john_, there is a nice random naumber generator class, called marsenne twister, which could do the jox. otherwiese do it  the c way, like srand(time()) rand=rand()%255 e.g.
[09:28] <paines> jox=job
[09:28] <paines> ups, wrong window
[09:28] <john_> paines: :D, thanks anyway
[09:29] <paines> np
[09:30] <dato> I'd need somebody running 3.4.2 to do a small test for me.
[09:31] <dato> go to http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php and tell me if the spacing between each paragraph is the same at the beginning of the page, and at the end.
[09:31] <dato> an example of it changing can be seen in http://people.debian.org/~adeodato/tmp/2005-09-04//bad-konqueror.png
[09:31] <dato> fwiw, this does not happen in plain hoary (3.4.0)
[09:31] <dato> thanks
[09:37] <genstef> hi
[09:44] <hvm> hi, can anyone send me the file winmac_fstab?
[09:44] <hvm> i have it but it's on a ntfs partition
[09:44] <hvm> :P
[09:44] <chavo> hvm, one sec
[09:45] <chavo> there
[09:45] <hvm> thanks
[09:45] <chavo> no problem
[09:46] <hvm> uh, can you send it again, there was an error
[09:46] <hvm> pls
[09:47] <chavo> hold on
[09:48] <chavo> here try again
[09:48] <hvm> didn't work
[09:49] <hvm> says connection timed out
[09:49] <hvm> does anyone else have that file?
[09:49] <hvm> pls pls pls
[09:50] <chavo> prob my firewall sorry
[09:51] <Blissex> dato: it does lose interspacing towards the end, Konqueror 3.4.2
[09:51] <chavo> hvm, http://2sdw.com/winmac_fstab
[09:52] <dato> Blissex: thanks for checking. breezy or hoary?
[09:53] <Blissex> dato: Debian with the Hoary KDE 3.4.2
[09:53] <dato> Blissex: debian, really? sid?
[09:53] <chx> hi. 1680 x 1050 is more or less fine, is there support for 1050 x 1680 ? :)
[09:53] <hvm> thanks
[09:54] <Blissex> dato: you dont want to know, but mostly Sarge. Most stuff is compatible between Sarge and Hoary.
[09:54] <Blissex> dato: so I have borrowed  Xorg 6.8.2 and KDE 3.4.2 from Hoary. The only dubious dependency in that is 'kdm', which I don't use.
[10:02] <libben> i need to umount /media/windowsxp and it tells me its multiple.
[10:02] <libben> what do i do?
[10:02] <libben> umount: it seems /media/windowsxp is mounted multiple times
[10:05] <libben> it tells me its buzy
[10:10] <yahalom> can someone explain to me why konqueror crashes?
[10:11] <yahalom> gnome doesnt. its the only reason i hesitate.
[10:29] <[A] ndy80> hi
[10:30] <nalioth> howdy
[10:30] <[A] ndy80> today installed ubuntu 5.10 preview4, upgraded all packages ecc.... now, after a reboot, the x resolution seems to be fucked. Don't know how to explain.... something like all images are not rendered corrctly... all screen has a blur effect :\
[10:30] <[A] ndy80> how can I fix it?
[10:31] <nalioth> !tell [A] ndy80 about resolution
[10:31] <nalioth> ubotu to the rescue
[10:31] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, nalioth
[10:40] <amichai> how do i delete the address bar entries in konqueror?
[10:41] <gdh> good question :) I've sometimes wondered that, but never enough to remmeber to ask..
[10:41] <amichaiu> like when i click on the arrow next to the address i dont want anything to show
[10:41] <Blissex> amichaiu: right click on the address bar
[10:41] <amichaiu> lol
[10:41] <amichaiu> how easy
[10:41] <amichaiu> thanx
[10:42] <libben> how can i install azureus? it tells me to install sun-jre from ubuntuguide but i cant find that when i apt-cache search sun-jre
[10:42] <amichaiu> libben: ubuntuguide.org
[10:43] <chx> I have asked, sorry, I restarted, is there any way to use 1050 x 1680 mode? it would be sooo great.
[10:43] <nalioth> libben: stay away from ubuntuguide
[10:43] <seth_k> chx, I'm using 1680 x 1050 right now with my 2005FPW
[10:43] <libben> nalioth: ? why?
[10:43] <nalioth> libben: ubuntuguide has been responsible for several lost boxes (as in total reinstall needed)
[10:43] <chx> seth_k: same monitor, but i'd like to rotate it
[10:43] <gdh> Blissex: that's just 'clear history' - was hoping for something a little more selective :)
[10:43] <gdh> ah well
[10:43] <seth_k> chx, ah
[10:44] <nalioth> libben: it's not up-to-date and some of the info is plain wrong
[10:44] <seth_k> chx, dunno
[10:44] <chx> seth_k: the monitor is capable of that
[10:44] <libben> k
[10:44] <seth_k> chx, it doesn't auto-detect its orientation though, shame :(
[10:44] <Blissex> gdh: it may not work, but try 'F9' and then select 'History'. It may be editable.
[10:44] <nalioth> !tell libben about java
[10:44] <chx> seth_k: but I do not know how to create a modeline for such a bizarre resolution
[10:45] <seth_k> indeed, nor do i
[10:45] <TempWin> hi everyone!
[10:45] <gdh> Blissex: interesting - it removes sites from the auto-complete history, but not from the few sites that drop down when you press the down-arrow when in a blank Location bar :)
[10:45] <gdh> Blissex: still, it's a move in the right direction - thanks :)
[10:46] <Blissex> gdh: note that all that stuff is also in a file under '$KDEHOME' (usually '~/.kde') and you can edit that file directly.
[10:46] <gdh> I expected that much but hoped for UI joy ;)
[10:50] <Blissex> seth_k: I have created in the past modelines for portrait monitors, no difference from landscape ones.
[10:51] <Blissex> seth_k: remember there is a little modelines calculator called 'gtf', and several online ones.
[10:53] <chx> seth_k: Modeline "1048x1680_60.00"  149.33  1048 1128 1240 1432  1680 1681 1684 1738  -HSync +Vsync
[10:53] <chx> seth_k: even if this works... how could I tell Kubuntu to use it?
[10:54] <chx> seth_k: http://gtf.sourceforge.net/ here is the modeline generator
[10:54] <seth_k> chx, you would put that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:55] <chx> seth_k: hmmm I am talking of kcontrol
[10:55] <chx> seth_k: I know it goes into xorg.conf
[10:55] <seth_k> chx, don't use that :P
[10:55] <seth_k> chx, edit it directly. Easier.
[10:55] <seth_k> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:55] <chx> seth_k: you do not understand my problem I am afraid
[10:55] <seth_k> You're wanting to put that Modeline in
[10:55] <seth_k> right?
[10:55] <chx> or maybe I do not have a problem? I thought that KDE has a different display settings
[11:00] <libben> why not just use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:00] <libben> and chooce advance and type in ur monitor hz Hor and Vert
[11:03] <Blissex> libben: that only works for modelines that are already well defined IIRC
[11:03] <Blissex> ''odd'' modelines have to be inserted by hand in the relevant 'Monitor' section.
[11:05] <kurt> winky dinkey
[11:06] <kurt> hello my fuzzy little internet friends. Could you help me with an ittle wittle problem with 3.4.2? It seems my lovely dovely super duper spell checker is causing my kopete to be sad :( :(
[11:07] <seth_k> there was wayyyy too much teletubby-speak in there
[11:08] <kurt> http://mysite.verizon.net/jci1124/kopetekrash.txt
[11:10] <libben> i need to understand why azurueus wont start
[11:10] <libben> anyone?
[11:10] <kurt> libben: does it give any feedback in a terminal?
[11:12] <libben> not yet kurt but the marker in terminal is still stalled.... waiting for it to get  normal
[11:12] <libben> never seems to be thou
[11:12] <nalioth> libben: what hardware are you running?
[11:13] <libben> intel p4
[11:13] <libben> 1.7 ghz.
[11:13] <nalioth> libben: and your java got installed correctly?
[11:13] <libben> how can i check if it got installed proper? i installed it with synaptic.
[11:14] <nalioth> libben: open a terminal and type "java --version"
[11:15] <libben> could not create the virtual java machine
[11:17] <nalioth> libben: no versin info?
[11:17] <libben> it tells me could not create..
[11:17] <libben> but i maybe should restart the box after installing all this.
[11:18] <libben> ive loaded azureus 3 times from kde menu, and nothing happend.. so now ive maybe stalled the java or something.
[11:19] <libben> should i restart the box?
[11:19] <kurt> libben: You shouldn't need to
[11:19] <nalioth> libben: the only time you ever have to restart the box is when you upgrade a kernel
[11:20] <libben> true..
[11:20] <libben> so what do i do?
[11:20] <nalioth> libben: i recommend you remove java using synaptic
[11:20] <libben> ive ps -fux
[11:21] <nalioth> libben: now my dog is here
[11:21] <nalioth> we're all in trouble
[11:21] <nalioths_dog> libben: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[11:21] <nalioth> libben: after you remove your java using synaptic/kynaptic/apt, try the dog's method
[11:21] <nikkia> nalioth: teach your canine that you need to sudo the dpkg step :P
[11:21] <libben> well thats a tad much for me =) as a beginner i think =)
[11:22] <libben> and when u say remove the java
[11:22] <libben> u mean the sun-jre.1.5 thingy
[11:22] <nikkia> (and you need to sudo the apt-get probably, too)
[11:22] <nalioth> nikkia: yes ma'am
[11:23] <libben> and when u say remove the java
[11:23] <libben> u mean the sun-jre.1.5 thingy
[11:23] <libben> ?
[11:23] <nalioth> waitaminute. fakeroot doesnt work?
[11:24] <libben> ii  sun-j2re1.5    1.5.0+update04 Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsy
[11:24] <libben> this one ive got installed
[11:25] <nalioth> libben: remove it please
[11:25] <libben> and when i synaptic installed azureus, it installed some java.gtk things.
[11:25] <libben> nalioth k
[11:25] <nalioth> libben: you installed azureus from the repos?
[11:25] <libben> yes
[11:26] <libben> with synaptic
[11:26] <libben> that fucked it up?
[11:26] <nalioth> libben: language please
[11:26] <nalioth> libben: i was unaware azureus was in the repos
[11:26] <libben> well, i got it from horay-extras repos
[11:27] <regeya> hooray!
[11:27] <libben> i needed to add that repos to get a hand on sun-jre1.5
[11:27] <libben> and azureus was in there also after that
[11:27] <nalioth> never had much luck with -extras
[11:27] <nalioth> but lets' continur
[11:30] <libben> k.. so now ive removed everything... i still need to download the bin file
[11:30] <libben> how do i know wich bin file it is?
[11:31] <nalioth> get the installable bin for your platform
[11:32] <libben> where should i go on http://java.sun.com ?
[11:32] <nalioth> libben: yes
[11:33] <libben> im there
[11:33] <libben> but then WHERE ? =)
[11:33] <nalioth> libben: follow the download link for jre
[11:34] <libben> there is no such link in there
[11:34] <nalioth> libben: hang on a minute
[11:36] <nalioth> libben: http://jdl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=10148
[11:37] <libben> i have a 686
[11:37] <libben> not 586
[11:37] <libben> is there any diffrence
[11:38] <nalioth> libben: nope
[11:38] <libben> is there a 686 version?
[11:39] <nalioth> libben: nope
[11:39] <libben> its downloading ... then what? gonna do the whole faking thing.
[11:40] <nalioth> the dog has new instructions
[11:40] <nalioths_dog> libben: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[11:44] <[A] ndy80> nalioth: I discovered the cause of the wrong resolution problem....
[11:44] <nalioth> [A] ndy80: cool. what was it?
[11:44] <[A] ndy80> nalioth: upgrading xorg, it sets the default depth to 24, while I had 16
[11:45] <[A] ndy80> I think 24 is not supported for my card or monitor
[11:45] <nalioth> [A] ndy80: so your sorted. good
[11:47] <[A] ndy80> nalioth: I changed it manually now... to discover this I had to install again all the system :P
[11:47] <[A] ndy80> because I had no xorg.conf backup
[11:47] <[A] ndy80> ;)
[11:48] <libben> nalioths_dog: i need to install gcc also?
[11:48] <nalioth> [A] ndy80: ouch! we learned about backin up stuff, eh?
[11:48] <libben> got error when doing the fakeroot make-jpkg
[11:48] <nalioth> libben: install "build-essential" for a well rounded developement environment
[11:48] <[A] ndy80> nalioth: no problem.... I installed the system today, it was a fresh installation
[11:48] <nalioth> libben: you'll need to install fakeroot, also
[11:49] <libben> its installed already , it was a dep from java-package
[11:52] <libben> nalioths_dog:  http://pastebin.com/357417
[11:53] <libben> or nalioth =)
[11:53] <nalioth> libben: hang on a minute (again)
[11:54] <nalioth> something aint right in libben-town
[11:55] <nalioth> libben: go here, and grab a java deb
[11:55] <nalioth> http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:56] <libben> ofcuz its right =)
[11:58] <libben> nalioth:  this one ? http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/restricted/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[11:58] <nalioth> yup
[11:58] <libben> and thats a i386... is it ok?
[11:58] <nalioth> yup
[11:59] <libben> i need password
[12:00] <nalioth> password for what?
[12:00] <libben> to download
[12:00] <libben> it asks me for pass
[12:00] <nalioth> ya gotta be kiddin me
[12:00] <nalioth> hang on another minute