[06:25] <mborzecki> morning
[06:26] <mborzecki> the car just rolled into the shop
[06:32] <mup> PR snapd#10754 closed: packaging, tests/lib/prepare-restore: build packages without network access, fix building debs with go modules <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10754>
[06:32] <mup> PR snapd#10772 opened: kernel/fde: mock systemd-run in unit test <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10772>
[06:34] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[06:35] <mborzecki> mardy: hey
[06:35] <mardy> mborzecki: I hope that the gates of the shop were open, when the car rolled in
[06:36] <mborzecki> hahah
[06:37] <mborzecki> but the traffic is real bad at this time of day, took more 1:10h to drive from NW suburbs to the show which is in the southern part of lodz
[06:58] <mborzecki> mvo: hi, shall we land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10661 ?
[06:58] <mup> PR #10661: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: device cgroup v2 support <Complex> <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10661>
[06:59] <zyga-mbp> good morning :)
[07:00] <zyga-mbp> amurray not as pretty as before but non the less interesting https://twitter.com/zygoon/status/1437666089773813764?s=21 :)
[07:02] <mvo> mborzecki: +1
[07:02] <mvo> mborzecki: in a meeting right now, but I can do it after
[07:03] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: fungi?
[07:03] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki yeah
[07:03] <mborzecki> new hobby?
[07:03] <zyga-mbp> not new :)
[07:03] <zyga-mbp> but I don't plan on eating it, it was just interesting to see
[07:03] <zyga-mbp> they are not as rare as, say, 10 years ago
[07:03] <pstolowski> morning
[07:03] <mborzecki> haha
[07:04] <zyga-mbp> but I only see them several times a year
[07:04] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:04] <zyga-mbp> hey pstolowski :)
[07:04] <pstolowski> o/
[07:17] <mborzecki> mardy: can you adjust the PR title in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10764 before landing?
[07:17] <mup> PR #10764: tests: allow spread tests to skip the OOM test <Squash-merge> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10764>
[07:25] <mardy> mborzecki: sure, let me actually squash the commits too
[07:28] <mardy> done
[07:36] <mborzecki> mardy: hm thinking about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10772/ perhaps the problem is that fde tests use the real systemd-run at all
[07:36] <mup> PR #10772: kernel/fde: mock systemd-run in unit test <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10772>
[07:36] <mardy> mvo: can you please use your superpowers on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10762?
[07:36] <mborzecki> maybe we should have a thing that kind of behaves like systemd-run in testutil?
[07:36] <mup> PR #10762: o/servicestate: Update task summary for restart action <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10762>
[07:36] <mvo> mardy: sure
[07:37] <mup> PR snapd#10762 closed: o/servicestate: Update task summary for restart action <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10762>
[07:38] <mardy> mborzecki: yes, it looks like they are using the real systemd-run
[07:38] <mardy> mvo: thanks!
[07:39] <mborzecki> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5FNF4R3mYg/ hmm microstack interface unit tests failing on distro not using /usr/lib?
[07:41] <mardy> mborzecki: thanks, I'll fix it
[07:41] <mardy> mborzecki: is it on a machine we have in our spread?
[07:42] <mborzecki> mardy: already have a change, i'll opena  PR in a minute
[07:44] <mborzecki> mardy: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10773
[07:44] <mup> PR #10773: interfaces/builtin: fix microstack unit tests on distros using /usr/libexec <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10773>
[07:45] <mardy> mborzecki: interfaces/builtin/common_test.go is using %v in this case, is there any difference?
[07:46] <mborzecki> mardy: not really, %s means that we're expecting a string already, %v otoh means that go will try to use the default format whcih is the same as %s
[07:47] <mup> PR snapd#10773 opened: interfaces/builtin: fix microstack unit tests on distros using /usr/libexec <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10773>
[08:00] <mborzecki> hmm we run the docker-smoke test only on ubuntu, guess it's expected that the snap being docker may not work properly anywhere else right?
[08:11] <mborzecki> mvo: something isn't quite working in the docker snap when cgrou pv2 is around
[08:11] <mborzecki> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xy5jWPrNCX/
[08:15] <mborzecki> hmm /usr/lib/snapd/snap-gdb-shim: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.34' not found (required by /usr/lib/snapd/snap-gdb-shim)
[08:16] <mborzecki> ok, looks like it's just failing like this on 21.10
[08:22] <mborzecki> mvo: we have a problem on 21.10, looks like the binaries that are built there no longer work when invoked in core16 base
[08:34] <mvo> mborzecki: in a meeting right now, sry, will look in a bit
[08:35] <mvo> mborzecki: can I squash 10540 btw?
[08:37] <mborzecki> mvo: yes
[08:37] <mup> PR snapd#10661 closed: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: device cgroup v2 support <Complex> <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10661>
[08:47] <mup> PR snapd#10540 closed: cmd/snap-confine: handle CURRENT_TAGS on systems that support it <Squash-merge> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10540>
[08:50] <mborzecki> oh, there was no conflict?
[08:52] <mup> PR snapd#10773 closed: interfaces/builtin: fix microstack unit tests on distros using /usr/libexec <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10773>
[08:57] <mup> PR snapd#10628 closed: usersession/xdgopenproxy: move PortalLauncher class to own package <Squash-merge> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10628>
[09:14] <mborzecki> ok, my ride has arrived, bbiab
[10:07] <mup> PR snapd#10759 closed: tests: be more robust against a new day stepping in <Squash-merge> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10759>
[10:12] <mup> PR snapd#10764 closed: tests: increase memory quota in quota-groups-systemd-accounting <Squash-merge> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10764>
[10:18] <mborzecki> re
[10:24] <mborzecki> heh, one more debian/rules tweak is apparently needed
[10:27] <mvo> mborzecki: meh, hopefully the last one :)
[10:34] <mardy> has anyone seen a similar spread failure on tests/main/security-device-cgroups:kmsg? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJ7z2wxrKX/
[10:35] <mborzecki> again a mystery, why didn't this come up in our builds
[10:40] <mvo> mborzecki: strange, we even have the sbuild test to make sure we test as closely to the buildds as possible :/
[10:41] <mborzecki> mvo: but it's nightly, so maybe it's failing?
[10:43] <mborzecki> mvo: and it runs on debian only :)
[10:48] <mup> PR snapd#10774 opened: asserts, snapstate: return full validation set keys from CheckPresenceRequired and CheckPresenceInvalid <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10774>
[10:50] <mborzecki> mvo: well, i know, we dont' run tests when building the package ;)
[10:58] <mvo> mborzecki: meh, ok
[11:04] <mardy> so, this looks weird: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10739/checks?check_run_id=3596874649
[11:04] <mup> PR #10739: mount-control: step 2 <Needs Samuele review> <Needs security review> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10739>
[11:05] <mardy> the test tests/main/security-device-cgroups:uinput was run successfully, but it didn't issue a REBOOT
[11:05] <mardy> so the udev rules were not cleaned up, and tests/main/security-device-cgroups:kmsg failed because of that
[11:08] <mup> PR snapd#10775 opened: packaging/ubuntu: pass GO111MODULE to dh_auto_test <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10775>
[11:09] <mborzecki> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10703 needs reviews, it's pretty fun with some python bits
[11:09] <mup> PR #10703:  tests/main/security-device-cgroups-strict-enforced: demonstrate device cgroup being enforced <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10703>
[11:43] <mup> PR snapd#10776 opened: cmd/libsnap-confine-private, tests, sandbox: remove warnings about cgroup v2, drop forced devmode <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10776>
[11:44] <mardy> mborzecki: reviewed!
[11:44] <mborzecki> thanks, i'll take a look in a bit
[11:45] <mborzecki> 10766 is also fun and simple
[11:45] <mardy> cachio: hi! I have a spread failure which I cannot understand; I'll paste the same messages that I sent to the channel in private message, then we can continue here (when you have time)
[11:47] <mardy> mborzecki: wrong PR number? 10766 is already merged
[11:47] <mborzecki> mardy: 10776 :)
[11:54] <mardy> mborzecki: +1
[13:18] <mup> PR snapd#10777 opened: interfaces/modem-manager: add access to PCIe modems <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10777>
[14:43] <mup> PR snapd#10778 opened: cmd: build gdb shims as static binaries <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10778>
[14:44] <mborzecki> mvo: ^^
[14:44] <mvo> mborzecki: nice!
[14:45] <mborzecki> adds about 1.7MB to the overall uncompressed size
[14:46]  * cachio_ afk
[14:46] <mborzecki> maybe we could somehow handle all of the shim business in a single binary and add a symlink eg. snap-gdbserver-shim -> snap-gdb-shim
[14:48] <mvo> mborzecki: +1
[14:48]  * mvo needs to switch network
[15:10] <ijohnson[m]> @bboozzoo hmm regarding docker, is your cgroupsv2 change effectively the case that snaps now always enter into a device cgroup whenever snap-confine runs? Remember we had the behavior before where snaps are not put into cgroups unless there is an interface which declares rules to tag devices for that snap
[15:10] <zyga-mbp> oh
[15:10] <zyga-mbp> I remember that
[15:10] <zyga-mbp> I caused a regression a while abck
[15:10] <zyga-mbp> remember?
[15:11] <zyga-mbp> it looked as an optimization but it broke docker
[15:11] <ijohnson[m]> yeah like greengrass relies on this behavior
[15:11] <ijohnson[m]> I think it also broke docker for the same reasons ?
[15:13] <mborzecki> ijohnson: it's still the same, a piece of the log from when docker fails to launch antything is here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xy5jWPrNCX/
[15:14] <ijohnson[m]> thanks I'll take a look
[15:15] <ijohnson[m]> the cupsd apparmor denials are nothing new, I don't know why but docker always seems to want to ptrace cups, but that's nothing new
[15:15] <mborzecki> it seems like it tries to launch a new scope, but cannot talk to systemd for some reason
[15:16] <ijohnson[m]> @bboozoo, if I clone your branch can I reproduce this in gCE with the 21.10 image that has cgroupsv2 enabled ?
[15:16] <mborzecki> perhaps that's a new bit that isn't covered by the interace yet
[15:16] <ijohnson[m]> could be
[15:16] <ijohnson[m]> @bboozzoo are there any other denials ?
[15:16] <mborzecki> ijohnson: use this branch  https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10575
[15:16] <mup> PR #10575: [WIP] many: device cgroup v2 support <⛔ Blocked> <cgroupv2> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10575>
[15:17] <mborzecki> there's ubuntu-21.10-64-cgroupv2 system defined in spread which uses the right image
[15:18] <ijohnson[m]> ack
[15:19] <mborzecki> hm there's nothing dbus related in the docker-support interface
[15:20] <ijohnson[m]> that could be it for sure then
[15:23] <jdstrand> ijohnson[m]: it isn't that docker is trying to ptrace cupsd, it is trying to do something akin to 'ps', hitting stuff in /proc that requires the profile to have 'ptrace read peer=/usr/sbin
[15:23] <jdstrand>  /cupsd'
[15:23] <ijohnson[m]> jdstrand: ah sure, and cupsd is just unique in that it also happens to have it's own apparmor profile rather than be unconfined
[15:23] <ijohnson[m]> ?
[15:23] <jdstrand> ie, it is looking at everything in /proc/[0-9]*
[15:24] <jdstrand> yes. chronyd too and anything else that would've happened to be running
[15:24] <jdstrand> (under a profile)
[15:24] <ijohnson[m]> ah yeah I think I have seen chronyd too as well
[15:24] <jdstrand> s/profile/profile other than unconfined/
[15:24] <jdstrand> you have, it is in that paste :)
[15:25] <jdstrand> the denial is noisy but harmless. docker doesn't need info on cupsd or chronyd
[15:26] <ijohnson[m]> right
[15:26] <jdstrand> if you did add a 'ptrace read,' rule (which you shouldn't ;), then those other profiles would need a corresponding 'ptrace readby peer=snap.docker.dockerd' rule
[15:26] <ijohnson[m]> oh haha yeah it is in that paste too
[15:28] <jdstrand> the consensus back when was to have quiet profile flags and quiet rules. eg, people could hit some 'snap set' command for the system to turn off denials for a snap, that would add a profile flag to the profile and everyone rejoices. amurray would be able to give the more details in this area
[15:29] <ijohnson[m]> yeah I think that would be a great feature to have some day
[15:29] <jdstrand> iirc, apparmor 3.1 was going to have the quiet profile flag and perhaps that could be backported into the vendored apparmor he is/has worked on
[15:29] <jdstrand> (or just pull 3.1 in)
[15:30] <ijohnson[m]> Yes, the apparmor vendoring is coming along I think I've reviewed that PR a few times now
[15:30] <jdstrand> \o/
[15:30] <jdstrand> that's going to be *wonderful* :)
[15:30] <ijohnson[m]> :-)
[15:31]  * ijohnson[m] needs to afk for a bit
[15:31] <jdstrand> ijohnson[m]: nice chatting with you; hope you're well :)
[15:32] <ijohnson[m]> thanks you too!
[15:34] <zyga-mbp> hey jdstrand :)
[15:34] <zyga-mbp> it's fantastic to see you here again
[15:48] <mup> PR snapd#10767 closed: o/snapstate: only conflict with runnable and relevant tasks <Needs Samuele review> <Created by MiguelPires> <Closed by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10767>
[16:19] <mup> PR snapd#10775 closed: packaging/ubuntu: pass GO111MODULE to dh_auto_test <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10775>
[16:19] <mup> PR snapd#10776 closed: cmd/libsnap-confine-private, tests, sandbox: remove warnings about cgroup v2, drop forced devmode <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10776>
[16:54] <ijohnson[m]> bboozzoo: yeah so there are a bunch of dbus denials for docker when run under cgroupsv2 on ubuntu like this
[16:54] <ijohnson[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jt9sGC5SZG/
[17:59] <mup> PR snapd#10779 opened: tests/nested/manual: use loop for checking for initialize-system task done <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10779>


[00:34] <xpistos> hello all. I am just getting ready to install server 12.04 on my main house server and I wanted to know except for backing up home anything else I should do? all the data is on separate drives.
[00:38] <andol> xpistos: Might be worth taking a copy of /etc, just in case you have any relevant settings there you want to go back and take a peak at.
[00:38] <andol> xpistos: Otherwise it really depends on what used to run on the server. Any daemons storing anything relevant under /var perhaps?
[00:38] <xpistos> andol: thanks! I copied my fstab and exports so I think I am good there
[00:39] <xpistos> deluge, and I think that is about it?
[00:39] <xpistos> No if I can just find a blank cd!!!!
[00:40] <escott> xpistos, why are you reinstalling?
[01:05] <xpistos> escott: upgrading to 12.04
[01:23] <escott> xpistos, and you just want to reinstall for the heck of it?
[01:24] <xpistos> escott: No whenever I upgrade to a new version I always do a clean reinstall
[01:25] <escott> xpistos, well be aware of kernel modesetting before you start
[01:26] <xpistos> not sure what that it
[01:26] <xpistos> is
[01:28] <escott> xpistos, some graphics cards have issues. for a server you can just throw nomodeset into the boot if you dont need a gui
[01:32] <xpistos> I might but only like icewm or awesome window manager tupe stuff
[01:43] <nathwill> i just found that dspam fell over in my postfix+dspam+dovecot mail system. i've taken dspam out of the delivery train, and new mail is being delivered, but i can't get the mail in postfix queue to flush out... any tips?
[04:17] <sbeattie> nathwill: postqueue -f didn't do it?
[04:42] <nathwill> sbeattie, nope. o_O same errors... it's acting like the mail's still destined for dspam.
[08:01] <daff> how come our Ubuntu 10.04 servers did not apply any leap second adjustments? when midnight UTC came nothing happened (not message in dmesg, like in Ubuntnu 12.04 servers), other than the time was one second out of sync with the upstream NTP servers. any ideas?
[09:11] <jetole> Hey guys. Does anyone know which channel I could find ubuntu admins/maintainers. There seems to be a outage on a set of repos at the moment
[11:17] <rurufufuss> what's the current fix for the leap second bug? restart, or update kernel?
[15:59] <Kyuzo> First, which files to move from Windows to the server - the "obvious" is to mount "My Documents" on the server, but then the "Local Settings" and "Application Data" are all still local (and so need to be backed up separately). Is it better to put the whole of \Documents and Settings\<username> onto the server?
[15:59] <Kyuzo> (Sorry - cut-and-paste error!)
[15:59] <Kyuzo> I have a question about configuring windows clients to use a linux server (actually not Ubuntu, but I couldn't find any other linux-server-oriented IRC channels, and the question is about general structures anyway)
[16:00] <Kyuzo> I'm moving data from a collection of workstations to a linux server.
[16:01] <Kyuzo> The question is (as accidentally pasted above) which files to move from Windows to the server - the "obvious" is to mount "My Documents" on the server, but then the "Local Settings" and "Application Data" are all still local (and so need to be backed up separately). Is it better to put the whole of \Documents and Settings\<username> onto the server?
[16:02] <Kyuzo> Secondly, where to put it on the server - each user will have a linux account, so it could go in the linux home directory and be shared from there, but would it be better in a separate "shared" tree?
[16:07] <three18ti> kyuzo, what are you trying to accomplish?  Sounds like you want a domain controller and give everyone a domain account.  they you can log into each individual workstation with your domain credentials and have your individual user settings (I think that you can configure windows to work that way... not really a windows networking guy)
[16:09] <patdk-lap> I think he wants roaming profiles
[16:14] <Kyuzo> threel8ti: patdk-lap: The goal is to just move the data off the client systems onto an ECC+raid-protected server.    Roaming profiles would be nice, but not essential.
[16:14] <three18ti> isn't there a dropbox alternative that came out recently...  the big sellign point was you hosted the "dropbox" stack on your own hardware.
[16:15] <three18ti> patdk, thanks, I couldn't come up with that name.
[16:16] <Kyuzo> I've heard that roaming profiles can be tricky to configure and not 100% effective, even with windows servers.
[16:16] <Kyuzo> How would dropbox help?
[16:16] <three18ti> to backup your data...
[16:18] <three18ti> you've referred to "the data" a couple of times, and this is what we call the trouble with pronouns; -what- data are you talking about?  What is your end goal?  What are you trying to accomplish by moving "the data"?
[16:18] <Kyuzo> OK.  The fileserver option does have the advantage that users aren't tied to one workstation, though.  Dropbox would be tied to one workstation though, woudn't it?
[16:19] <Kyuzo> "The Data" (TM)  is a whole lot of "Stuff" (TM).  :-)
[16:19] <three18ti> (I think "ownCloud" or TeamShare are the projects I've run across recently that are dropbox alternatives)
[16:19] <Kyuzo> It's a collection of MS-Office documents, source code, you name it.  "User Data".
[16:20] <three18ti> no, you can access your data from "anywhere" re: Dropbox would be tied to one workstation though, woudn't it?
[16:20] <three18ti> brb
[16:22] <Kyuzo> Also in "The Data" are a collection of Virtual Machine disk images, though they will probably need to be handled differently for performance reasons.
[16:27] <three18ti> what hypervisor are you using?
[16:31] <Kyuzo> A mixture of VMWare Server 2 and MS Virtual PC
[16:31] <Kyuzo> Performance isn't a major issue for most of the VMs - they're just for "clean environment" software testing.
[16:43] <three18ti> kyuzo, I think you need to take a step back and redefine your problem.  it seems to me that you have a couple things going on and are looking for a silver bullet to all of your projects instead of engineering a proper solution to each problem individually.
[16:50] <daff> how come our Ubuntu 10.04 servers did not apply any leap second adjustments? when midnight UTC came nothing happened (not message in dmesg, like in Ubuntnu 12.04 servers), other than the time was one second out of sync with the upstream NTP servers. any ideas?
[16:59] <RoyK> daff: did you check machines not using the ubuntu ntp servers?
[16:59] <RoyK> machines as in ntp clients
[16:59]  * RoyK doesn't know how well ntp handles leap seconds or how long it'll take to sort it out
[17:02] <ikonia> I've found leap time causes problems with ntp
[17:02] <ikonia> eg: the jump moves beyond the 5 minute threshold so never syncs
[17:02] <RoyK> never seen that
[17:02] <ikonia> you have to stop ntp, ntpdate, then restart ntp
[17:02] <daff> RoyK: the machines are all running chrony and adjusted the time after a while (I issued a "service chrony restart" via puppet on all machines, just to be sure)
[17:02] <RoyK> some more info here http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/leap.html
[17:03] <daff> but I was wondering why only 12.04 machines had the dmesg message "Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC"
[17:03] <daff> which are also running chrony
[17:03] <RoyK> chrony?
[17:03] <RoyK> !chrony
[17:03] <daff> a time daemon, like ntpd
[17:04] <RoyK> oh
[17:04] <RoyK> I just use ntpd
[17:04] <RoyK> !ntp
[17:04] <RoyK> perhaps ntpd has a bug there
[17:05] <RoyK> only problem with debugging that stuff irl, is that leap seconds only happen every 18 months :þ
[17:05] <daff> I mean it's probably for the best that there was no leap second inserted, because apparently at least java and mysql go screwed by it
[17:05] <daff> but I was wondering why 10.04 (with chrony) did not insert one, while 12.04 with chrony did
[17:06] <RoyK> oh - they attempt to keep the time themselves?
[17:06] <RoyK> sounds like a pathologically bad idea
[17:07] <daff> I don't know the details yet, but half the internet crashed last night because of java and mysql issues with the leap second
[17:07] <RoyK> ROTFL
[17:07] <glance> http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-during-a-leap-second
[17:07] <RoyK> seems my blog is up, and it's a wp blog mysql in the back
[17:08] <daff> I experienced the mysql problem on my home machine. at 00:00 UTC it started using 100% CPU, increasing the load to around 15
[17:09] <RoyK> looks pretty decent from here http://munin.karlsbakk.net/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/index.html
[17:09] <RoyK> that's a Lucid box
[17:10] <daff> like I said, our lucid machines had no problem, since there was no leap second inserted
[17:10] <RoyK> oh
[17:10] <daff> but I find it strange that there wasn't one inserted. I thought that's the kernel's responsibility?
[17:10] <RoyK> this is a Precise box http://door.nilu.no/mrtg/munin/DMZ/door.nilu.no/index.html
[17:11] <daff> looks good as well
[17:11] <daff> this not so much: https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2012/06/30/mysql-and-the-leap-second-high-cpu-and-the-fix/
[20:36] <axisys> i removed the /var dir by mistake.. this is a new server.. short from re-intsalling can I anyother way to restore it? i installed another server on same hardware just few mins ago.. can I just rsync the /var dir?
[20:37] <guntbert> axisys: spare the hassle and reinstall, there are a lot of symlinks there...
[20:37] <axisys> guntbert: sure.. np
[22:43] <daff> I've asked this before but didn't get a real answer. maybe there's someone here now who might know this: how come none of our Ubuntu 10.04 servers applied any leap second adjustments last night? when midnight UTC came around nothing happened (no message "Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC" in dmesg). only the clock was one second out of sync with the upstream NTP servers after 00:00 UTC. any ideas?
[22:54] <patdk-lap> daff, maybe cause you screwed it up? cause my ubuntu 10.04 servers say that
[22:54] <patdk-lap> [9780753.205624] Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC
[22:54] <patdk-lap> root@patbox:/home/dswett# uname -a
[22:54] <patdk-lap> Linux patbox 2.6.32-37-generic-pae #81-Ubuntu SMP Fri Dec 2 22:24:22 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:09] <daff> patdk-lap: interesting, but how? we run hundreds of lucid servers and I haven't found one that applied the leap second
[23:09] <daff> the all run chrony, not ntpd, but I don't know if that matters
[23:10] <daff> all servers had the latest tzdata package from march 2012 installed
[23:11] <patdk-lap> it does matter
[23:11] <daff> how so?
[23:11] <patdk-lap> tzdata is useless, if there is nothing to adjust the kernel using it
[23:11] <patdk-lap> I dunno what chrony does
[23:11] <patdk-lap> but ntpd notifies the kernel about the leap second
[23:13] <patdk-lap> looks like 1.24 added leap second support for linux
[23:13] <daff> I see. that explains that, then.
[23:13] <patdk-lap> and the verson of chrony in ubuntu 10.04 is lower than that, so it doesn't have support for leap second
[23:14] <daff> yeah, lucid has 1.23.x, so no leap second support
[23:15] <daff> thanks for clearing that up for me, until now I wouldn't have thought that there was much difference between ntpd and chrony (other than chrony generally doing an easier and better job of keeping the time in sync)
[23:15] <patdk-lap> odd, I have never heard of chrony
[23:15] <patdk-lap> but I have been using ntpd forever, without issues
[23:17] <daff> we have had issues in the past with ntpd (long time ago), with the clock of VMs drifting around like crazy, and ntpd not keeping up. maybe we didn't use it right, but simply installing chrony and removing ntpd seemed to have magically fixed that issue. so we stuck with chrony
[23:18] <patdk-lap> hmm, time keeping on vm's is a totally different thing
[23:19] <daff> yeah, the consenus back then was to use ntpd or chrony to keep time in sync. that's on lucid hosts and VMs (using KVM)
[23:19] <daff> has that consenus changed?
[23:19] <patdk-lap> dunno, I don't use kvm
[23:19] <daff> I see. well, thanks for your input and help, now I can sleep better :)
[23:21] <smw_> Anyone know where I can find sun java 5 debs for 10.04?
[23:23] <daff> smw_: I don't think there are any official debs around anymore, certainly not for 1.5. but you can get old versions from oracle's archives, starting here: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/archive-139210.html
[23:23] <smw_> thanks
[23:24] <smw_> daff, I think I used to have it... then I did an update recently
[23:24] <smw_> daff, I had not updated for god knows how long
[23:24] <smw_> then after the update java5 was gone
[23:24] <smw_> I can tell you my other ones are not getting upgraded until I find out what the hell happened ;-)
[23:25] <daff> ubuntu and other distros are no longer allowed to package and distribute java
[23:25] <smw_> so an update removed what was already there?
[23:25] <smw_> that does not seem right
[23:25] <three18ti> daff, I use KVM in 12.04 and haven't noticed a time drift, however, on previous version of Ubuntu I use ntpd.
[23:25] <daff> no, that should not have happened
[23:25] <smw_> yeah, still trying to figure it out
[23:25] <patdk-lap> daff, this seems to be perferred for kvm: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/KVMClock
[23:26] <patdk-lap> smw_ my systems still have sun java on them
[23:26] <daff> smw_: may look here for clues: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Sun_Java_moved_to_the_Partner_repository
[23:26] <patdk-lap> so a update didn't *remove* it
[23:26] <smw_> daff thanks
[23:27] <daff> smw_: and then here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-December/001528.html
[23:29] <daff> patdk-lap: our 10.04 KVM VMs all have kvm-clock set as time source, yet without chrony (or probably ntpd) the clock starts drifting wildly. maybe this is better in 12.04 as guest and/or host, like three18ti suggests
[23:30] <patdk-lap> I use vmware, so have all mine set to vmware host time
[23:30] <patdk-lap> haven't had an issue
[23:30] <patdk-lap> did have issues with xen, but the documentation on that is pretty wide
[23:31] <daff> who knows. seems to me that slowly adjusting the time was a better solution for us than inserting a leap second. the consequences of that event have been quite interesting (looking at java, mysql and big sites like reddit)
[23:32] <RoyK> daff: dunno about that - I always run ntpd on my guests
[23:32] <three18ti> hehe, wose than the Y2K bug apparently, re:  seems to me that slowly adjusting the time was a better solution for us than inserting a leap second
[23:32] <RoyK> Tribaal: why not?
[23:32] <patdk-lap> heh, I haven't had any issue
[23:33] <three18ti> daff, I think it has more to do with the kernel than KVM as far as the drift appearing to have improved over previous versions of KVM.
[23:33] <patdk-lap> mysql, linux, ...
[23:33] <patdk-lap> I don't really do any java
[23:33] <RoyK> Tribaal: y2k was a code issue, the leap second issue was on another ballpark
[23:34] <daff> RoyK: I think you mean three18ti, not Tribaal, no? :)
[23:34] <RoyK> patdk-lap: the bug was mysql only and java, not linux
[23:34] <patdk-lap> royk, there is a linux bug also
[23:34] <daff> RoyK: this suggests otherwise, no? https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/6/30/122
[23:34] <patdk-lap> kernel issue
[23:34] <RoyK> oh, for leap sec?
[23:34] <patdk-lap> yep
[23:35] <three18ti> daff, I think so, royk, I was making a joke I understand it's not a coding issue; what do you mean it was "on another ballpark"?


[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #174041 in firefox (main) "M-Player Plugin for Mozilla is not recognized after installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174041
[00:25] <mgunes> hi Hobbsee
[00:26] <ubotu> New bug: #174043 in lastfm (universe) "menu entry has no icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174043
[00:26] <Hobbsee> hey mgunes
[00:30] <bdmurray> hey Hobbsee
[00:31] <Hobbsee> heya bdmurray!
[00:31] <nanley> Could anyone help me on what to do with Bug #153782 ?
[00:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153782 in xorg "[Gutsy] screen doesn't resume after suspend" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153782
[00:31] <nanley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/153782
[00:32] <nanley> The user has fixed the problem with a boot parameter, so do I invalidate the bug or confirm it?
[00:33] <bdmurray> nanley: I believe it is possible to have systems automatically boot with specific kernel options like that
[00:33] <bdmurray> isn't that right ogasawara?
[00:33] <bdmurray> nanley: But I believe we would need dmidecode information to create the system match
[00:34] <ogasawara> just a sec, taking a look
[00:34] <ogasawara> nanley: well they can update their grub to always boot with those kernel options
[00:35] <nanley> they already have
[00:35] <ogasawara> nanley: but I wouldn't consider that a proper solution
[00:35] <nanley> so should i confirm it?
[00:36] <bdmurray> ogasawara: my notes say arch/i386/kernel/acpi/boot.c
[00:36] <nanley> ogasawara: If I understand correctly, these boot parameters will be added to the Hardy and will be applied to the system by autodetection?
[00:37] <ogasawara> nanley: where did you see that?
[00:37] <nanley> ogasawara: *added to the Hardy Final build
[00:38] <nanley> ogasawara: I haven't seen this anywhere, I'm just speculating...
[00:39] <nanley> ogasawara: Because it seems that it would be a hassle for a user to have to add a parameter for every installation...
[00:40] <ogasawara> nanley: well the Hardy kernel is out for testing if you want to ask them to give it a try
[00:40] <bdmurray> It would also be good to get the dmidecode information and make certain their BIOS is up to date
[00:41] <nanley> ok
[00:41] <nanley> thanks
[00:41] <ogasawara> nanley: I've got a stock reply for testing the Hardy kernel if you want it
[00:41] <nanley> i'll take it :)
[00:43] <ogasawara> nanley: look at the last comment of 158444
[00:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all, what is the kernel bug channel for ubuntu? I seem to recall there is one
[00:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or the kernel-devel channel maybe
[01:00] <bdmurray> Le-Chuck_ITA: #ubuntu-kernel should work
[01:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks a lot
[01:01] <mgunes> 21 bugs and counting..
[01:01] <bdmurray> mgunes: awesome!
[01:02] <mgunes> :)
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174047 in nautilus (main) "hal and CD recording" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174047
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #114104 in ubuntu "2-Way satellite broadband unstable in Feisty" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114104
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #114128 in ubuntu "DVD drive problem" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114128
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #174048 in xen-3.1 (main) "missing dependency: python-xml" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174048
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #116045 in ubuntu "Accelerometer not working" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116045
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118012 in ubuntu "Ubuntu starting DMA error" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118012
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #174050 in nautilus-cd-burner (main) "nautilus-cd-burner cant burn cd-rw" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174050
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #174054 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "DomU crash with 2.6.22-14-xen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174054
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #174056 in gnome-session "Long login time with compiz enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174056
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #174057 in libcairo (main) "Systemwide problems with libcairo2 update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174057
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #174058 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with SIGSEGV in gst_structure_from_string()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174058
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #174060 in rhythmbox (main) "crashed on next open after rhythmbox coredumped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174060
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #174061 in dolphin (main) "In Dolphin media showed up 3 times in sidebar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174061
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #174062 in firefox (main) "Only some opened website, i don't know how to explain." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174062
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #174064 in ubuntu "audio player does not seem to have power" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174064
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #174063 in ubuntu "switching "desks" crashes navigation and must restart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174063
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #174065 in gtodo-applet (universe) "gtodo-applet has wrong homepage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174065
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ogasawara: ping?
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #174069 in cupsys (main) "E: cupsys: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174069
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #174070 in firefox (main) "filefox <IP_ADDRESS> hangs when making changes to Linksys WRT54g Router" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174070
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #174072 in wireless-tools (main) "wireless-tools diverges unnecessarily from upstream" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174072
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #119276 in ubuntu "Mouse does not work" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119276
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174074 in ubuntu "All Nautilus windows are unresponsive if another Nautilus window has a dialog box open." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174074
[04:21] <Hobbsee> !ping
[04:21] <ubotu> pong
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #174077 in ubuntu "updatedb exits with error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174077
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #174079 in tzdata (main) "tzdata update 2007f-3ubuntu1 causes stack smashing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174079
[05:27] <ubotu> New bug: #174082 in nautilus "Should be able to select files with lasso instead of rectangle" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174082
[05:27] <ubotu> New bug: #174083 in monodevelop (universe) "don't start: System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'MonoDevelop.Core.Runtime' from assembly 'MonoDevelop.Core'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174083
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #174085 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin changes my nick and sometimes disconects me" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174085
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #174087 in mplayer (multiverse) "vlc/mplayer breaks in hardy-alpha-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174087
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #174088 in ubuntu "gnome-panel hangs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174088
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #174089 in totem (main) "galago plugin is not included" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174089
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #174090 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "md5sum error in postinstall for package flashplugin-nonfree" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174090
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #174091 in libcairo (main) "firefox crash for some web site with libcairo.so.2 (1.4.10-1ubuntu4.1) (dup-of: 173861)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174091
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174093 in network-manager (main) "network-manager fails upgrade on gutsy with error code 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174093
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174094 in ntfs-3g (main) "[Hardy] My USB NTFS hard drives fail to mount properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174094
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #174096 in ubuntu "scsi problem on live kubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174096
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #174097 in ubuntu "Evolution does not sort by subject correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174097
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #174098 in vmware-server (partner) "VMware Server Console hangs on launch with bad pointer message from glibc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174098
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #174102 in gnome-rdp (universe) "gnome-rdp: Error during the connection to database" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174102
[08:15] <dadehoog> Hi all
[08:16] <dadehoog> Not quite sure how to go about this ... I'm re-reading the Wiki pages, but, I'm testing out the Hardy alpha 1 LiveSession and I'm following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UbuntuDesktop
[08:17] <dadehoog> I'm at step 2.5 and appear to have similar - but different - issues to the Wiki edit
[08:17] <dadehoog> specifically, I move something to Trash and it isn't put into Trash, nor is the icon updated, it's just deleted.
[08:17] <dadehoog> How should I go about reporting the bug ?
[08:22] <dholbach> good morning
[08:29] <dadehoog> greetings
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #174104 in ubuntu "GNOME Trash empty but ~/.Trash contains deleted files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174104
[08:37]  * persia is certain that must be a dup, given the wiki page referenced above
[08:39]  * dadehoog thought so - but couldn't find a duplicate ...
[08:40] <persia> Really?  Odd.  Perhaps the bug was known to the ISO testers, but not to LP.
[08:41] <dadehoog> I think that the wiki edit was a half-arsed bug report attempt
[08:41] <dadehoog> it doesn't accurately describe the problem
[08:41] <dadehoog> it just says that the applet doesn't show the files (by changing the icon) ... it's deeper than that.
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #174106 in ubuntu "Welcome sound is played with wrong soundcard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174106
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #174107 in hal (main) "no sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174107
[09:25] <mgunes> do we close all translation change request bug reports, pointing to the translation page in LP?
[09:27] <persia> mgunes: No.  Not everything gets translated in Rosetta.  Check: if it can be in Rosetta, close and point there.  If you're feeling motivated, and you can check, consider proposing the adjustment there.
[09:28] <persia> If it can't be translated in Rosetta, just leave the bug: it may need developer attention.
[09:28] <mgunes> persia, that's exactly what I had meant: close, and point to the translation page in rosetta
[09:29] <persia> mgunes: Right, but check to make sure that there is a place in Rosetta for the translation first.  Some applications have funny translations that aren't supported by Rosetta.
[09:29] <mgunes> sure, that's what I'm doing
[09:29] <mgunes> we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#head-fb119da008af90df2a8efdc1e7b093af95deb720 , but it doesn't state if the bug is to be closed
[09:30] <mgunes> perhaps this needs to be added to /Bugs/CommonTasks
[09:37] <mgunes> in what package would the strings for the "New Printer Found" popup text be?
[09:37] <mgunes> I'm looking at bug #160274
[09:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160274 in ubuntu "Typo in german translation: New printer found ballon says "druckbereites" instead of "druckbereit"" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160274
[09:38] <seb128> mgunes: that looks like a german translation issue so language-pack-gnome-de
[09:38] <mgunes> seb128, thanks
[09:38] <seb128> you are welcome
[09:42] <mgunes> hmm, but I still need to point to the package to be translated in Rosetta
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #174110 in ubuntu "No installable kernel for SiS x86 processor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174110
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #174112 in openoffice.org (main) "[openoffice.org] [CVE-2007-4575] Potential arbitrary code execution vulnerability in 3rd party module (HSQLDB)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174112
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #174113 in ubuntu "Mplayer and Xine cannot read from source." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174113
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #174115 in libgc (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174115
[10:07] <kagou> Hi
[10:12] <ubotu> New bug: #174114 in ubuntu "Gutsy LiveCD failure on specific laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174114
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #174116 in mono (main) "Mono IPv6 issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174116
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #174117 in f-spot (main) "Intro key to exit edit mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174117
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #174118 in f-spot (main) "menu key does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174118
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #174119 in cups-pdf (main) "Unable to print to PDF" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174119
[10:54] <ubotu> New bug: #174122 in gcom (universe) "gcom was renamed to comgt, new upstream versions were released - see http://sf.net/projects/comgt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174122
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #174123 in ubuntu-dev-tools (universe) "No manpage or --help option for check-sysmbols" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174123
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #174124 in openoffice.org (main) "Using the diagram-assistant you can´t choose  the data-area by mouse (Kubuntu 7.10; Openoffice 2.3)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174124
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #174125 in ubuntu "Drag-and-drop file into executable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174125
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #174126 in antlr (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174126
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #174128 in dhcp3 (main) "asks debconf question on dapper->hardy upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174128
[11:53] <ubotu> New bug: #174129 in evolution (main) "[hardy] Evolution 2.12.3-0ubuntu1 crashes on startup" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174129
[11:54]  * txwikinger2 wishes Happy BughuggingDay
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #174130 in epiphany-browser (main) "[Gutsy] Since upgrading the Epiphany web browser renders letters blurred every other day" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174130
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #174132 in epiphany (universe) "When opening links in new tabs the favicon isn't displayed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174132
[12:23] <mgunes> could someone from bug control "wishlist" bug 174125 please?
[12:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174125 in nautilus "Drag-and-drop file into executable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174125
[12:26] <pedro_> mgunes: done
[12:26] <mgunes> thanks
[12:26] <pedro_> you're welcome
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174134 in apt-file (universe) "apt-file search prints all results twice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174134
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174135 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 173118)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174135
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #174137 in egenix-mx-base (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174137
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #174138 in gnome-cups-manager (universe) "start up cups daemon after selecting printing in administration menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174138
[12:49] <mgunes> Why are there no translations in Rosetta for gfxboot? Where are the translations for the desktop CD boot menu?
[13:06] <ubotu> New bug: #174140 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "dom0 kernel bug at shutdown of hvm windows server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174140
[13:07] <ubotu> New bug: #174141 in ubuntu "Feature request: Restore Quit functionality" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174141
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #174143 in ndiswrapper (main) "Not present in the default installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174143
[13:11] <ubotu> New bug: #174142 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Cannot install flash plugin due to md5sum mismatch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174142
[13:15] <ubotu> New bug: #174144 in pulseaudio (main) "pulseaudio pa_pid_file_create() failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174144
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #174146 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174146
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #174147 in network-manager (main) "network-manager shuts down connections on upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174147
[13:22] <txwikinger2> Any suggestions what to do with this bug #161843? Should I mame a blueprint for getting a KDE-style compatible frontend? Or just keep it on wishlist?
[13:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161843 in hplip "HPLIP Toolbox looks ugly" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161843
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #174148 in dbus (main) "Error on startup: “Element <standard_system_servicedirs> not allowed”" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174148
[13:48] <robertj> hrmm, my keyboard just went by-by during security updates
[13:48] <robertj> I went afk came back and went to enter my password at the screensaver and nada
[13:52]  * robertj files Bug #174152
[13:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174152 in gdm "funky virtual res on gdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174152
[13:52] <seb128> robertj: that's a duplicate
[13:53] <seb128> and it any case not a gdm bug, rather an xorg one
[13:57] <robertj> know of a workaround?
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #174151 in ubuntu "USB connected UPS reported as internal power" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174151
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #174152 in gdm (main) "funky virtual res on gdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174152
[14:05] <ubotu> New bug: #174154 in update-manager (main) "Could not install the upgrades: Errors on libstonith0 and libpils0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174154
[14:10] <ubotu> New bug: #174155 in debian-installer (main) "install xubuntu CD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174155
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174156 in ubuntu "mouse pointer disappears in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174156
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174157 in ubuntu "Search for codecs stopped without results " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174157
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #174159 in ubuntu "ubuntu gutsy freeze with firefox <IP_ADDRESS> open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174159
[14:48] <ubotu> New bug: #165292 in zodb "ZODB doesn't record attribute changes on Gutsy x64 (dup-of: 165287)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165292
[14:48] <ubotu> New bug: #174160 in straw (universe) "Straw doesn't handle gnome proxy settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174160
[14:48] <ubotu> New bug: #174162 in nis (main) "cannot bind to YP server under AMD64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174162
[14:48] <ubotu> New bug: #174163 in ubuntu "Flashplayer hasn't got sound in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174163
[14:59] <greg-g> how is the hug day going?
[14:59] <txwikinger2> greg-g: You want a hug? :)
[15:00] <greg-g> thaaanks txwikinger2 ;)
[15:00]  * txwikinger2 hugs greg-g
[15:00]  * greg-g loves this community
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #174164 in ubuntu "system monitor reports active programs as sleeping" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174164
[15:03]  * txwikinger2 leaves for home in order to hug some more bugs
[15:03] <bddebian> Boo
[15:04] <ogra> bee
[15:04] <bddebian> :)
[15:09] <ubotu> New bug: #174165 in apt (main) "apt-get & Update Manager 'Problem parsing dependency suggests'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174165
[15:20] <ubotu> New bug: #174049 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slist_foreach()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174049
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #173262 in ubuntu "No sound in my Toshiba Laptop A105-1712" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173262
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #174170 in pidgin (main) "Certain characters don't show up in the text area" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174170
[16:09] <bdmurray> hello and happy bug day
[16:10] <LeMartin> hello i need support with bugday
[16:11] <bdmurray> LeMartin: okay, what kind of help do you need?
[16:12] <ubotu> New bug: #173819 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173819
[16:13] <LeMartin> bdmurray: i want to assign a bug to a package
[16:14] <ubotu> New bug: #174168 in openssh (main) "expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174168
[16:14] <bdmurray> LeMartin: okay, which bug?
[16:14] <LeMartin> Bug #174159
[16:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174159 in ubuntu "ubuntu gutsy freeze with firefox <IP_ADDRESS> open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174159
[16:15] <LeMartin> i want to assign a firefox package... i'm ok?
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174174 in e2fsprogs (main) "[e2fsprogs] [CVE-2007-5497] several integer overflows in memory allocating code" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174174
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174175 in mozilla-firefox "firefox crash, SIGBUS in firefox and apps embedding it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174175
[16:17] <bdmurray> LeMartin: Maybe, it would be interesting to find out if their system freezes with Firefox closed.  Additionally, getting some log files might be helpful
[16:17] <LeMartin> mmm
[16:19] <LeMartin> then.. i would to contact who reported the bug?
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #174176 in mozilla-firefox "firefox crash, SIGBUS in firefox and apps embedding it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174176
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #174177 in emacs22 (main) "[emacs] [CVE-2007-6109] buffer overflow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174177
[16:21] <bdmurray> Right you can click on the downward arrow on the right hand side in the yellow line and set the status to Incomplete and ask if it happens with Firefox closed and log files like '/var/log/syslog*'
[16:26] <bdmurray> pedro_: are you familiar with how to handle bugs that may be translation related?
[16:27] <bdmurray> I'm uncertain what to do with 160343
[16:27] <bdmurray> bug 160343
[16:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160343 in ubuntu "Problem with "Scrivania" vs "Desktop" in italian version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160343
[16:27] <ubotu> New bug: #173586 in totem (main) "totem-gstreamer-video-thumbnailer crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_check()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173586
[16:27] <ubotu> New bug: #174179 in gnump3d (universe) "[gnump3d] [CVE-2007-6130] password restriction bypass" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174179
[16:27] <ubotu> New bug: #174180 in compiz (main) "window decorator shadows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174180
[16:27] <pedro_> bdmurray: some of them, let me check
[16:32] <ubotu> New bug: #174181 in freeglut (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174181
[16:32] <ubotu> New bug: #174182 in heartbeat-2 (universe) "Filesystem resource script is busted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174182
[16:38] <pedro_> bdmurray: xdg-user-dirs should do the trick there
[16:39] <pedro_> haven't used kubuntu to see if k3b or ktorrent show the right folder name
[16:39] <pedro_> I've seen some problems with upgrading from feisty with that dirs but no with a default gutsy installation
[16:40] <bdmurray> pedro_: okay, thanks
[16:49] <ubotu> New bug: #174183 in synaptic (main) "synaptic manager preferences not remembered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174183
[16:59] <ubotu> New bug: #174185 in ubuntu "Occasionally, disk goes crazy, system freezes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174185
[17:02] <ubotu> New bug: #173485 in evolution "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in impl_requestCreateItem()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173485
[17:08] <ubotu> New bug: #174187 in mythplugins (multiverse) "MythFlix cannot add, remove or reorder queue; Cover art not shown; HTML shown in description" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174187
[17:20] <ubotu> New bug: #174188 in eog (main) "Cannot open 'jpg' files" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174188
[17:23] <ubotu> New bug: #174189 in gnomebaker (universe) "gnomebaker russian translation problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174189
[17:25] <ubotu> New bug: #174191 in gnome-screensaver (main) "screensavers cause high CPU usage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174191
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #174192 in nautilus (main) "Status line shows only space left" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174192
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #174193 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Thunderbird increadbly slooooow...... " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174193
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #174194 in tar-doc (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174194
[17:52] <bdmurray> pedro_: what package provides the menu editor?  bug 161086
[17:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161086 in alacarte "Broken Menu Editor + Menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161086
[17:53] <bdmurray> well, it seems to have a package already
[17:54] <bdmurray> ogasawara: any ideas about bug 161090?  it seems to be kernel related
[17:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161090 in ubuntu "ipod won't mount unless I run modprobe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161090
[17:54] <ogasawara> bdmurray: just a sec, lemme finish up this one bug
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #174195 in ubuntu "crash handler not catching crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174195
[17:57] <ogasawara> bdmurray: ah, I've seen that one before somewhere
[17:57]  * ogasawara searches
[18:00] <greg-g> bdmurray: alacarte is the package (I had to search for it too, and I was the one who assigned that bug to that package)
[18:00] <ogasawara> bdmurray: 88746?  but I that's not the report I remember
[18:01] <bdmurray> greg-g: ah, well feel free to put your name on the bug day wiki for it
[18:02] <bdmurray> pedro_: would bug 161091 be gnome-menu?
[18:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161091 in ubuntu "Synaptic causes multiple menu items" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161091
[18:02] <pedro_> bdmurray: let me see
[18:04] <pedro_> bdmurray: yup, it is
[18:05] <bdmurray> pedro_: do you want to take it or shall I?
[18:05] <greg-g> bdmurray: oh, I didn't see that wiki page actually, heh.  marked off
[18:05] <greg-g> now, to find the other 3 bugs I did that on earlier today
[18:05] <bdmurray> greg-g: Thannks for helping out!
[18:05] <pedro_> bdmurray: go ahead and change the package, i'll do the triage for it :-)
[18:06] <bdmurray> You should be able to find the other ones you did by looking at your launchpad user's page
[18:07] <bdmurray> pedro_: done
[18:07] <pedro_> bdmurray: thanks you!
[18:13] <mgunes> bdmurray, in what package would the translations for the desktop CD boot menu be?  There are no translations for gfxboot in Rosetta.
[18:15] <bdmurray> mgunes: I think debian-installer but they would know best in #ubuntu-installer
[18:15] <mgunes> alright, thanks
[18:20] <ubotu> New bug: #174198 in azureus (universe) "Missing dependency on java2-runtime et al." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174198
[18:30] <ubotu> New bug: #174199 in ubuntu "No sound with soundcard NVidia CK804" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174199
[18:30] <ubotu> New bug: #174200 in rhythmbox (main) ""Next Song" doesn't work with Last.fm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174200
[18:32] <bdmurray> It seems like every 3rd bug doesn't have a package
[18:46] <ubotu> New bug: #174202 in gedit (main) "impossible création de piles d'appels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174202
[18:46] <nibblesmx> Hello. Can somebody tell me how can I profile evolution-data-server memory use with valgrind?
[18:49] <bdmurray> nibblesmx: have you looked at the Valgrind wiki page?
[18:50] <nibblesmx> bdmurray: yup. It says that i should use G_SLICE=always-malloc G_DEBUG=gc-friendly  valgrind -v --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full --num-callers=40 --log-file=valgrind.log <program> <arguments>
[18:50] <nibblesmx> bdmurray: but evolution-data-servers starts automatically. Even if i kill it, it respawns immediately
[18:51] <pedro_> nibblesmx: which bug is the one affecting you'
[18:51] <nibblesmx> pedro_: I looked at previous bug reports, to check if my bug was already posted. And it turned out that it was. But the bug report was closed for not having enough information
[18:52] <nibblesmx> pedro_: right now, evolution-data-server uses 30 megs of RAM
[18:52] <nibblesmx> pedro_: 10 minutes ago, it used 10 megs
[18:52] <nibblesmx> pedro_: but in 3-4 hours, it will use all my RAM, and half of my swap
[18:52] <pedro_> nibblesmx: which distro and version of evolution-data-server are you running ?
[18:53] <nibblesmx> pedro_: ubuntu gutsy 32, up-to-date
[18:57] <nibblesmx> evolution-data-server version 1.12.1-0ubuntu1
[18:57] <pedro_> i do recall some memory issues with e-d-s , nibblesmx do you have the number of the bug that was closed?
[18:58] <pedro_> for taking a look to it
[18:58] <pedro_> there's a couple of them in the gnome bugzilla
[18:58] <nibblesmx> pedro_: sure, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/120617
[18:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120617 in evolution-data-server "Excessive memory use" [Medium,Invalid]
[19:02] <ubotu> New bug: #174203 in ubuntu "No surround sound on Realtek ALC660VD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174203
[19:12] <hggdh> nibbles,x: evolution --force-shutdown
[19:12] <hggdh> nibblesmx: evolution --force-shutdown first
[19:12] <hggdh> then start e-d-s under valgrind
[19:20] <ubotu> New bug: #174205 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174205
[19:37] <ubotu> New bug: #174206 in ubuntu "Problem after upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174206
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #161810 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "Configure automatically right widescreen settings for nvidia driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161810
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #174207 in ubuntu "thunderbird - when deleting mail, mail is not deleted physically" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174207
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #174208 in ubuntu "[suggestion] Gnome-Calender integration into Thunderbird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174208
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #174209 in ubuntu "Opera browser running very slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174209
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #174211 in samba (main) "SMBD hangs on startup if lo is down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174211
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #174210 in gparted (main) "[gutsy] Gparted breaks after every step" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174210
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #174212 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Cannot save file to FTP server (on desktop)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174212
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #174213 in virtualbox-ose-modules (universe) "cant build with 2.6.24 kernel source" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174213
[20:39] <ubotu> New bug: #174221 in debian-installer (main) "Unecessary and unfortunate linebreak in F1 help text" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174221
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #174225 in nautilus (main) "[nautilus] thumbnails remain after pictures have been deleted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174225
[21:11] <ubotu> New bug: #174161 in ubuntu "disconecting users" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174161
[21:11] <ubotu> New bug: #174227 in mediawiki1.10 "Incorrect/Vague Upgrade Instructions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174227
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174229 in firefox (main) "fonts smaller after update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174229
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #174230 in netbase (main) "/etc/init.d/networking stop/start or restart does not stop/start dhclient." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174230
[21:30] <ubotu> New bug: #174232 in hgsvn (universe) "hgpullsvn dies with exceptation when started out of repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174232
[21:35] <ubotu> New bug: #174231 in ubuntu "Cannot use ACER 5051AWXMi when running on battery" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174231
[21:35] <ubotu> New bug: #174233 in ubuntu "evolution: save button doesn't work for a new task" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174233
[21:38] <greg-g> dang, brian is quick with those package assignments! :)
[21:52] <ubotu> New bug: #174234 in network-manager (main) "Scripts inside /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d don't get executed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174234
[21:55] <ubotu> New bug: #174219 in xulrunner (universe) "Please merge xulrunner <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174219
[21:56] <ubotu> New bug: #174217 in debian-installer (main) "${BUILD_DATE} apparently returns a date with no separators and none are added before displaying it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174217
[22:04] <ubotu> New bug: #174236 in firefox (main) "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174236
[22:05] <ubotu> New bug: #174235 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "please sync xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.196-2 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174235
[22:09] <ubotu> New bug: #174237 in easytag (universe) "transliteration from russian not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174237
[22:09] <ubotu> New bug: #174238 in kdegraphics (main) "kpdf needs better image scaling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174238
[22:09] <ubotu> New bug: #174239 in dhelp (universe) "Please merge dhelp 0.6.0 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174239
[22:10] <ubotu> New bug: #174240 in kdegraphics (main) "kpdf should allow >400% scaling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174240
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174242 in iodbc (universe) "removal request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174242
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #174243 in ruby-gnome2 (universe) "Please sync ruby-gnome2 0.16.0-10 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174243
[22:41] <ubotu> New bug: #174247 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174247
[22:46] <ubotu> New bug: #174248 in pidgin (main) "pidgin 2.2.1 cannot connect to certain XMPP servers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174248
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #174249 in firestarter (universe) "firestarter closing unexpectantly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174249
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #174250 in nautilus (main) "'E:Das Paket o3spaces-server muss reinstalliert werden, ich kann aber kein Archiv dafür finden.'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174250
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #174251 in icedtea-java7 (universe) "build against libungif not libgif" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174251
[23:09] <bdmurray> ogasawara: bug 165143 isn't really a kernel bug is it?
[23:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 165143 in linux-source-2.6.22 "korgac invoked oom-killer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165143
[23:10] <ubotu> New bug: #174253 in gpsd (universe) "sync request: bugfixes in Debian/sid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174253
[23:12] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I'd say no
[23:13] <bdmurray> cool
[23:13] <ogasawara> bdmurray: but I'm not sure what it responsible for what's eating up the mem
[23:15] <bdmurray> something other than korganizer?
[23:15] <choudesh> bdmurray: can you set the importance of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/174240 to wishlist?
[23:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174240 in kdegraphics "kpdf should allow >400% scaling" [Undecided,New]
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #174252 in libungif4 (main) "transition to libgif" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174252
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #174254 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash uploading files to MediaWiki" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174254
[23:18] <bdmurray> choudesh: looking
[23:18] <choudesh> bdmurray: I am not on the bug team so I can't set importance.
[23:18] <bdmurray> choudesh: sure, no problem.  I've done it but the bug should probably be forwarded upstream
[23:19] <choudesh> bdmurray: why is that?
[23:21] <choudesh> I would like to join the triage team.
[23:21] <bdmurray> choudesh: I think that is a feature that would need to be implemented in KDE itself and not something specific to Ubuntu.
[23:21] <choudesh> bdmurray: O, upstream to KDE. ;-)
[23:22] <choudesh> bdmurray: that you meant deb sid
[23:22] <choudesh> ~thought you meant deb sid. I need a nap. ;-)
[23:24] <bdmurray> choudesh: No, I meant right to the source.
[23:24] <choudesh> bdmurray: yea.
[23:24] <choudesh> bdmurray: I will upstream it over to KDE
[23:25] <bdmurray> choudesh: great, thanks.  Do you know how to set up a bug watch for an upstream bug like that?
[23:25] <choudesh> bdmurray: no. you mind teaching me if you have 5 mins?
[23:26] <bdmurray> choudesh: no problem, do you want to create the upstream first?  I'll be here for a while yet
[23:27] <choudesh> bdmurray: ok - I just go to bugs.kde and re-report the bug there, then click on the effect project, then link the two?
[23:28] <bdmurray> Right, you'd click on the project and choose kde and then add the url for the upstream bug report
[23:30] <bdmurray> ogasawara: bug 165097 is interesting
[23:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 165097 in ubuntu "UDF volumes 2.5 iso-133464 not recognized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165097
[23:31]  * ogasawara looks
[23:33] <ubotu> New bug: #174256 in ubuntu "Sound issues on Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174256
[23:35] <bdmurray> ogasawara: I'm not clear why there is a patch in sourceforge for that
[23:35] <ogasawara> bdmurray: well it's not in mainline
[23:36] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I'll add a comment to the bug
[23:36] <ubotu> New bug: #174257 in lintian (main) "Please merge lintian from debian unstable" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174257
[23:36] <ubotu> New bug: #174258 in exim4 (main) "Typo in main/02_exim4-config_options" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174258
[23:36] <choudesh> bdmurray: done.
[23:39] <bdmurray> choudesh: great!  now subscribers to the Ubuntu bug will get notified when the upstream bug report changes
[23:40] <choudesh> bdmurray: thanks.
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #174259 in soundmodem (universe) "Please sync soundmodem 0.10-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174259
[23:54] <nibblesmx> can anyone tell me how can I profile a process (not a program) using valgrind?
[23:55] <RAOF> I'm not sure if you can hook valgrind up to a running procees like you can with gdb.
[23:55] <nibblesmx> RAOF: the problem is, I have a process (evolution-data-server) which is eating all my RAM. I want to fill out the bug report
[23:56] <nibblesmx> but, I don't know how can I profile it. When I kill the process, it immediately respawns
[23:57] <RAOF> nibblesmx: killall evolution-data-server && valgrind evolution-data-server?
[23:57] <RAOF> wiki.ubuntu.com/Valgrind , if you haven't seen it yet.
[23:58] <nibblesmx> RAOF: Thats exactly the problem. evolution-data-server is not a program. i.e. there is no binary
[23:59] <choudesh> nibblesmx: ps aux | grep evolution
[23:59] <choudesh> nibblesmx: there is another evolution process respawning the data-server


[00:20] <nemo> heh. natty is a lot more crashy than other releases
[00:21]  * rww ponders whether something that hasn't been released yet is a release
[00:21] <nemo> I installed ccsm hoping to find a way to get back the little row/column indicator as I resize gnome terminals, and also gaussian blur on my translucent terminals
[00:21] <nemo> rww: I mean, it is a lot crashier (prior to release) than other releases were (at the same point)
[00:21] <nemo> just to clear things up
[00:21] <nemo> aaanyway. kaboom, unity goes down
[00:21] <nemo> so. my question is, as I switch to a terminal to restart it
[00:22] <nemo> what's the command to restart unity
[00:23] <nemo> well. lacking any comments, tried DISPLAY=:0 unity&
[00:23] <nemo> and now I have a bunch of blank windows instead of chromeless ones :)
[00:24] <nemo> background is still there, mouse works, mouse switches to selection icon inside the blank white areas...
[00:24] <nemo> ah. I see
[00:24] <nemo> unity-window-decorator and panel-service were still around. just not doing anything
[00:25] <nemo> ugh. and trying to rerun that command just gives some dbus nonsense
[00:25] <nemo> (rerun after killing off the decorator and service)
[00:25] <nemo> oh well. restart time
[00:29] <nemo> mm. enabling basically anything crashes unity. wheee
[00:30] <nemo> Initialising winrules options...done
[00:30] <nemo> and goodbye unity
[00:30] <nemo> the processes are *active* (decorator/panel) - just everything is gone
[00:31] <nemo> ah. fix is to launch unity from a gnome terminal - presumably that satisfies the dbus problems
[00:32] <nemo> (after killing the decorator and panel services)
[00:32] <nemo> (if you don't kill those, you don't even have the gnome terminal menu to be able to focus on a terminal window to launch a new unity)
[00:32] <nemo> also, it crashes if you do *anything* in ccsm
[00:32] <nemo> disabling or enabling
[00:34] <nemo> oh. and you definitely do not want to accidentally launch unity before that, or it is gdm restart time
[00:43] <nemo> hm. now how to turn off that way-too-heavy shadow that slows down moving windows around
[00:44] <nemo> if I go to Window Decoration, and clear Shadow Windows, it still appears
[00:44] <nemo> if I clear Decoration windows, I lose all my controls, which is bad.
[00:45] <nemo> yeeeah. unity so far appears to be 1) buggy 2) irritating to use (I could call it unintuitive, but I'm probably just unfamiliar with it) and 3) places my windows in random places off screen so I have to keep alt-clicking to drag 'em back
[00:46]  * nemo hunts for a way to disable it
[00:47] <nemo> ah. just select classic on login
[00:48] <nemo> yay. no more ccsm crashing
[00:49] <nemo> or sluggish windows
[00:53] <nemo> hm. enabling gaussian blur makes the windows sluggish though. shame. didn't do it in 10.10 :-/
[04:56] <bullgard> What Banshee release will Natty provide?
[04:58] <bazhang> !info banshee
[04:58] <bazhang> bullgard, ^^
[04:59] <bullgard> bazhang: Thank you.
[06:16] <susundberg> !info kdevelop
[06:17] <susundberg> !info pmwiki
[06:17] <susundberg> :(
[09:47] <vincenzoml> Hi there, as of recent updates in natty I have no "unity" command anymore...
[10:12] <vincenzoml> hi again
[11:11]  * opakavic going idle for few minutes.......................
[12:38] <EmpoyLayaw> Hi! anyone here who has enough patience to answer some ubuntu newbie?
[12:38] <EmpoyLayaw> :)
[12:39] <bazhang> EmpoyLayaw, please ask
[12:39] <EmpoyLayaw> thanks bazhang
[12:40] <EmpoyLayaw> I installed 10.10, then downloaded all recommended updates. then i just realized im using 11.04 now. some history if it makes any sense
[12:40] <EmpoyLayaw> i am trying to make ubuntu recognize my samsung sgh-i780 which syncs with activesync
[12:40] <EmpoyLayaw> and recognize my ipod 5th gen so i can transfer musci
[12:40] <EmpoyLayaw> how do I do those?
[12:41] <EmpoyLayaw> i think i downloaded synCE, i saw it somewhere in ubuntu forums, i just dont know what to click to let ubuntu see my phone and ipod
[12:41] <bazhang> EmpoyLayaw, that may be a bug. if you refer to the About menu as showing 11.04? what does lsb_release -a in the terminal say
[12:42] <bazhang> EmpoyLayaw, just for future reference though: Banshee supports portable media players including iPod, Android devices and Creative's ZEN players; it also offers Last.fm integration and podcast support, among many other features.
[12:42] <bazhang> in Natty 11.04^
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> No LSB modules are available.
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> Description:	Ubuntu 10.10
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> Release:	10.10
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> Codename:	maverick
[12:42] <bazhang> yep thats the bug
[12:42] <EmpoyLayaw> oooppsss, didnt mean to make it appear that way
[12:42] <bazhang> the about menu is wrong
[12:43] <bazhang> no worries
[12:43] <EmpoyLayaw> i see
[12:43] <bazhang> so you're on 10.10 now
[12:43] <bazhang> in the future you can see what is in store for 11.04 though
[12:43] <EmpoyLayaw> i honestly don't understand much but I think I'm glad i am hearing im still on 10.10
[12:45] <EmpoyLayaw> bazhang, i dont see banshee on my menu, the only music related option i see is rhythmbox
[12:46] <bazhang> EmpoyLayaw, yep, that was a reference to what 11.04 has in store, which you currently are not on (10.10)
[12:46] <EmpoyLayaw> oh...
[12:47] <EmpoyLayaw> oh well, i guess i can wait. im just excited to use ubuntu...like totally use it and not go back to mswin
[12:48] <EmpoyLayaw> one last question though... so my samsung sgh i780 phone and ipod have the same problem?
[12:48] <jakubo> hi, there seems to be some bug, that keeps enabling US keyboard layout on startup and trying to remove it makes ambience theme crash
[12:52] <jakubo> and the  indicator applet shows a new item everytime i start empathy or evolution...
[12:53] <jakubo> brb... cursor is gone....
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[13:17] <yofel> hey BluesKaj
[13:17] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[13:18] <BluesKaj> just found utorrent for linux..as Dr Willis mentioned a few mins ago
[13:28] <coz_> hey all
[17:32] <anon33_> When I try to install a package (in this case, ia32-libs), it tells me it has unmet dependencies and won't be installed. The E: is Broken Packages
[17:32] <anon33_> Anyone know whatsup?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> it's alpha?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> packages aren't all ready yet?
[18:33] <Ohelig> Man, been having all sorts of problem with Natty recently. Ever since I got it, I've only been getting partial upgrades, even before the new X.org
[18:33] <Ohelig> also every panel object crashes when i log in
[18:34] <rww> It seems like I'm the only person in #ubuntu+1 with a natty installation that isn't horribly broken. *snuggles his not-GNOME*
[18:34] <Ohelig> I'm just going to re-download the iso and re-install
[18:35] <Ohelig> wonder if it's possible to save my /home folder though D:
[18:35] <genii-around> rww: I had some hiccups earlier in the week but now is OK ( with kde )
[18:35] <avis> how is natty daily build working with unity ?
[18:35] <Pici> Ohelig: Is it a separate partition?
[18:36] <Ohelig> unity can smd
[18:36] <Ohelig> pici, no
[18:37] <avis> is there just 1 disgruntled unity user or are many people not happy with unity ?
[18:37] <Ohelig> well, people i have talked to said that they dislike unity
[18:37] <Ohelig> but me + friends can't represent the entire community, so...
[18:37] <rww> genii-around: KDE here too. It's nice enough that I'm considering moving my Debian desktop to natty when it's released :)
[18:41] <Ohelig> also, does anyone have a problem where usb devices (such as wireless interwebs) don't turn off after shutting down or logging out?
[18:41] <Ohelig> I had the problem on 10.10, so think it just may be my mobo
[18:42] <Ohelig> but it's irritating because they don't respond when the comp is turned back on, so i need to take them out and plug them back in
[18:42] <Ohelig> or maybe it's an unfixed bug, because it didn't happen on windows
[18:44] <charlie-tca> rww: my xubuntu is not broken too much :-)
[18:45] <charlie-tca> well, except my weather bug won't work yet
[18:46] <Ohelig> >bug won't work
[18:46] <Ohelig> how do bugs not work :S
[18:47] <charlie-tca> I mean... my weather applet won't work. ;-)
[18:47] <charlie-tca> It seems to be a bug, I think
[18:48] <avis> anyone using the current unity and actually like it ?
[18:49] <charlie-tca> ha-ha-ha
[18:49] <Daekdroom> !info netspeed
[18:50] <Ohelig> avis is a spy from Canonical to gather information on what people think of Unity!
[18:51] <Ohelig> quick, catch him!
[18:52] <charlie-tca> why bother. Look at all the positive answers received...
[18:53] <Ohelig> huh?
[18:56] <rww> charlie-tca: like I said, not-GNOME seems to be working fine :)
[18:56] <rww> (congrats, btw)
[18:57] <charlie-tca> oh, I guess I mis-read that somehow...
[18:57] <Daekdroom> Ohelig, he means that there's no information to be gathered.
[18:57] <charlie-tca> thanks
[18:57] <Daekdroom> Anyway, I think Unity is too raw :|
[18:57] <avis> Ohelig, do you think Canonical are not welcome in this channel ?
[18:57] <Daekdroom> Also, that was only a joke.
[18:57] <charlie-tca> all those yeses to who likes it should let any spy go back with solid information
[18:58] <charlie-tca> I welcome Canonical reps here, myself
[18:58] <Ohelig> avis, i never said Canonical is not allowed here
[18:58] <rww> As far as Unity goes... we're less than halfway through the release cycle, and Unity is a rewrite fron scratch in 11.04, not an incremental development from 10.10. Of /course/ it's not stable yet.
[18:59] <charlie-tca> but you got to give 'em credit, for as big a thing as it is, it does at least work this early in the cycle
[18:59] <Ohelig> I'm fine with unity being on 11.04, however I'm not pleased that they made it default when it isn't stable
[19:00] <rww> They added Pulseaudio in an LTS release, Plymouth in an LTS release, etc. Just be glad they didn't do this for 12.04 instead ;P
[19:01] <rww> Ubuntu's definition of being stable enough for a release are... interesting.
[19:01] <rww> (says the Debian user, so it's not surprising there's a disagreement there)
[19:01] <Ohelig> 12.10 should come with a preset apocalypse theme, but not default
[19:02] <Ohelig> ok so
[19:02] <Ohelig> what is up with the hostnames that are somewhere along the lines of /ubuntu/member/name or /ubuntu/supporter/name
[19:03] <Daekdroom> Those aren't hostnames
[19:03] <Daekdroom> Those are cloaks
[19:04] <rww> Ohelig: ubuntu/member/nickname are given to Ubuntu Members. ubuntu/bot/nickname is for official bots. They're the only namespace cloaks we have; there isn't a /supporter/ one
[19:04] <rww> !member
[19:05] <Ohelig> avis [~ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis] has joined #ubuntu+1
[19:05] <Ohelig> I was close :(
[19:05] <Daekdroom> Ohelig, not every cloak in freenode is provided by Ubuntu
[19:05] <Daekdroom> He got that through other means.
[19:05] <rww> PDPC is the parent organization of freenode. pdpc/supporter cloaks are offered to people who donate to them (at the "student" donation level, in this case)
[19:07] <Ohelig> oh, i need to contribute to be a member? :(
[19:07] <rww> Ubuntu membership requires sustained contributions to Ubuntu, yes.
[19:07] <Ohelig> I don't know how to speak computer very well :S
[19:08] <rww> "contributions" doesn't necessarily mean programming. I got it through local advocacy work and support here on IRC.
[19:41] <csgeek> hello all
[19:43] <csgeek> I just upgraded to natty, 64bit version...and it seems flash is broken... when I try to install it I get lots of errors/warnings.... pastie:  http://pastie.org/1506886
[19:46] <Ohelig> did you try to install the 32 bit version of flash?
[19:46] <Ohelig> the 64 bit version has to be manually installed
[19:47] <csgeek> yeah.. I tried to do the 32 bit version..
[19:48] <csgeek> where is 64 bit obtained from?  just standard adobe webiste?
[19:49] <Ohelig> hold on, i'll find where i got mine
[19:51] <csgeek> I'm browsing the adobe labs  page..... or trying to
[19:52] <Ohelig> yeah, so am i
[19:52] <Ohelig> looking through history :S
[19:54] <csgeek> its not particularly easy to navigate.. unless they've done some.. round robin thing.. need flash to get the flash plugin
[19:55] <Ohelig> see, when you download the file, it SHOULD have opened up in software center, which then says "wrong architecture 'i386'"
[19:55] <Ohelig> because we're using AMD
[19:55] <csgeek> nope.. i let me download it
[19:56] <Ohelig> or, at least I assume you are, as there is no 64 bit architecture for i386
[19:56] <Ohelig> bah
[19:56] <Ohelig> if you trust me enough, i could just give you the file
[19:57] <Ohelig> actually, look here
[19:57] <Ohelig> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[19:57] <Ohelig> that's why i couldn't find it :\
[19:57] <Ohelig> :/
[19:58] <csgeek> that's fine.. i don't care
[19:59] <Ohelig> so i guess
[19:59] <Ohelig> the 32 bit version that you find by following links from http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[19:59] <Ohelig> works with 64bit
[20:00] <csgeek> okay.. so I get a .so file out of it
[20:00] <csgeek> pop it in /usr/lib ? and  sudo ldconfig?
[20:02] <Ohelig> well
[20:02] <Ohelig> i put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[20:03] <csgeek> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /home/samirf/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so [/home/samirf/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
[20:03] <csgeek> I don't think it works with 64
[20:04] <csgeek> I got 10.2 from http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[20:08] <Ohelig> weird
[20:08] <Ohelig> it works for me
[20:09] <Ohelig> sudo mv /home/ohelig/Desktop/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[20:09] <Ohelig> try that, with having libflashplayer.so on your desktop
[20:10] <Ohelig> and replace my name with yours
[20:10] <Ohelig> obviously
[20:11] <Ohelig> csgeek
[20:42] <csgeek> oh.. sorry.... work meeting interupted
[20:46] <Ohelig> ok
[20:54] <csgeek> so.. I removed all versions of libflashplayer.so but the one I downloaded
[20:57] <csgeek> copied it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[20:57] <csgeek> same ELF issue
[21:12] <yofel> !lfash64 | csgeek
[21:12] <yofel> !flash64
[21:13] <yofel> csgeek: you either need nspluginwrapper for the 32bit plugin or use the native 64bit pre-release
[21:14] <yofel> and the native one works fine here
[21:14] <csgeek> well.. that's the thing.. I can't seem to find the native one.. the one that Ohelig helped me get seems to be a 32bit version
[21:29] <csgeek> thanks yofel
[21:36] <csgeek> hmmm.. PA doesn't have the natty build
[21:41] <csgeek> yuppie.. works now
[21:41] <csgeek> ppa didn't work.. had to grab it manually
[21:57] <csgeek> also.. KDE 4.6 looks amazing on the latest one..
[22:29] <coz_> hey all
[22:32] <nemo> grr. I cannot figure out how to turn off that thick heavy shadow on windows :(
[22:33] <nemo> I assumed it was window decoration. wasn't.
[22:33] <nemo> or at least, turning off shadow did not help
[22:35] <nemo> screwit
[22:35]  * nemo goes back to metacity
[22:35] <nemo> ahhhh
[22:35] <nemo> you can't turn off compiz anymore!
[22:35] <nemo> nooooo
[22:35] <nemo> this is not good
[22:36] <Ohelig> nemo, there is only one solution.
[22:36] <Ohelig> Destroy the internet.
[22:36] <Daekdroom> nemo, yes, you can turn off compiz
[22:36] <nemo> Daekdroom: manually I guess
[22:37] <Daekdroom> (unless you're using Unity)
[22:37] <nemo> no.  I use it all the time.
[22:37] <nemo> it is still there, just hidden
[22:38] <nemo> ah. better.
[22:38] <nemo> I missing having a gaussian blur on translucent windows...
[22:38] <nemo> but it was horribly slow compared to 10.10
[22:38] <nemo> perhaps the new mesa 7.10 is a WIP
[22:38] <nemo> (gaussian blur breaks up sharp edges on the desktop background so they don't distract in terminals)
[22:39] <nemo> perhaps it was horribly slow due to other stuff like the heavy shadows that I couldn't seem to turn off. who knows.
[23:11] <BUGabundo_noX> yooo
[23:44] <BUGabundo_noX> meh
[23:44] <BUGabundo_noX> we got 2.6.38 now
[23:44] <BUGabundo_noX> but now X :(
[23:45] <Daekdroom> I'm waiting for a even more recent kernel so I can fix the lockups with my GPU