[05:05] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: the guys in #gamingonlinux recommended the latest nvidia drivers from ppa on GTX 9xx series
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> i asked because we having a flood again of users with black screens/login loops on 16.04 even clean installs
[05:09] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I do go by what Nvidia recommends . and if problems .. bounce around a bit ,
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: you mean recommended driver for specific card?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/unity-8-won-t-be-the-default-desktop-session-for-ubuntu-16-10-yakkety-yak-503631.shtml
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> what a soap...
[06:01] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Nvidia drivers; My goto : http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us for the mainline cards .
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: well for the GTX 9xx series that doesnt work, it recommends the 361
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> and we getting tons of users with black screens/login loops
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> and even cant boot on nouveau either
[06:04] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah, have had a couple of instances where 361 failed .. and 364 was good .
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> so the guys from gamingonlinux suggest latest driver from ppa
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> yep 364
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> they say always latest drivers for the most recent hardware
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> (if driver is stable enough)
[06:05] <Bashing-om> For gamming .. and the cards to support .. sure .. latest is greatest .
[06:07] <Bashing-om> And heres Nvidia, here we go again .. I gonna leave that with you lotuspsychje and call it a night .
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> haha
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> nite nite mate
[06:07] <Bashing-om> Nighty take care .
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> Armadillos: morning
[06:15] <Armadillos> Evening for me.  Just switched back over to linux, now calling it a night. :)
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[09:43] <Ben64> i'm wondering if theres a way to ban/mute/kick people who highlight 5+ people in a single line
[09:53] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[10:05] <daftykins> wow i'm dusting off my old 1GB RAM sony ultraportable from uni time ~2007 to be this new VPN server XD
[10:14] <EriC^^> dax: why dont you write some script that insta-bans someone if he highlights more than 4 nicks
[10:14] <EriC^^> would get the flooding down to 1 line if it's quick enough i suppose
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:10] <daftykins> \o
[12:11] <BluesKaj>  hey daftykins,
[12:42] <EriC^^> @comment 1 bla
[12:42] <EriC^^> @comment 1
[14:20] <OerHeks> torrents up 196.1 gb .. come on, i want to reach 200 gb
[16:50] <de-facto> yay the fedora ppl patched easystroke so it compiles again on cpp11 :)
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:52]  * de-facto is totally addicted to mouse gestures on his desktop
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> wb
[17:02] <Billly> Wbar do you think about implementing a safety measure for dangerous Linux commands
[17:03] <daftykins> it exists, called sudo
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> Billly: the user is responsible for doing stuff to his system
[17:04] <Billly> What's the point of antivirus then
[17:04] <OerHeks> billy-the-troll, that rm line does not work on ubuntu without sudo :-D
[17:04] <Billly> Okay so that's already a safety measure.
[17:06] <Billly> But there wont be any warnings.
[17:07] <Billly> Especially for new users who don't even know what sudi is
[17:07] <hggdh> well. There *is* a warning.
[17:08] <Billly> There are scripts that can easily run the command
[17:09] <Billly> All it has to ask for is a passwoto install software xyz
[17:17] <hggdh> for the record, 'rm' has had, for years, the default of '--preserve-root'. As such, when 'rm -rf /' is run, it will ask if you relly want to trash your system
[17:18] <hggdh> of course, if you add an alias to 'rm' to pass '--no-preserve-root', then you are on your own
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> did billy went on a vacation?
[17:29] <dax> he got bored and left
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> oh
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> well at least we got him out ubuntu
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> my login window on xenial has now an email icon, anyone noticed that?
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> perhaps notification of the unsolved bug from previous session
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> !info xchat precise
[17:54] <dax> i always liked the "similar to AmIRC" bit
[17:54] <dax> i wonder if more than like 5 people have ever found that comparison useful
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> i dont even know that one
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> should i be ashamed? :p
[17:55] <dax> i've never heard of it either, except for xchat's package description
[17:56] <dax> oh, it's some amiga thing, that would be why
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> ahh
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> amiga500...those where the days
[17:57] <daftykins> probably a relic from LjL :P
[17:58] <dax> lol
[17:58] <daftykins> it's about time Hexchat were said to be like xchat, then nothing for xchat :>
[17:58] <dax> nah, it's from Debianland way back in the day
[17:59] <daftykins> hmm? xchat?
[17:59] <daftykins> i just mean based on the lack of updates making it more dead
[17:59] <dax> was replying to the relic comment
[17:59] <dax> !info hexchat
[18:00] <dax> in 10 years... "what's an X-Chat"
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> haha
[18:02] <EriC^^> lol
[18:02] <EriC^^> not if i can help it
[18:02] <EriC^^> ii  xchat                                         2.8.8-7.3ubuntu1
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> the new xchat maintainer :p
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> dax: can you explain why #ubuntu doesnt allow colors, we were discussing this earlier
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> less laggy on much users?
[18:09] <dax> because people use them to be annoying
[18:09] <dax> same reason most channels have them disabled
[18:09] <daftykins> and #ubuntu hardly needs more ways to troll
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> dax: just that reason?
[18:10] <dax> i assume so, it's never been discussed as far as i know
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> wasnt there an option in the ircd config also to disable colors?
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> i thought it was about performance or something?
[18:11] <dax> i don't know how it would have a performance impact, colors are just extra characters interpreted specially by clients
[18:11] <dax> you still have the 512-character limit as usual
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> ok
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> dax: so with 2000 users using colors, wouldnt crash something
[18:12] <dax> no
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:12] <dax> freenode servers are, in general, massively underprovisioned
[18:12] <dax> and colors aren't interpreted on the server anyway
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> i see
[18:12] <dax> and i doubt rendering text in blue instead of black or whatever is gonna crash clients
[18:13] <daftykins> i was trying to ask one of the staffers what would be required to donate a server, the other day
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> dax: we were discussing syntax highlithing as an idea, for support commands
[18:14] <daftykins> kinda sounded like a VPS would even be enough
[18:14] <dax> daftykins: the criteria are at https://freenode.net/support , in case they didn't link that already
[18:14] <daftykins> yes, i had already read that
[18:14] <dax> multi-homed networking tends to be the stumbling block
[18:15] <daftykins> *nod*
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/index.html
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-tweak-is-now-officially-dead-and-buried-503672.shtml
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> RIP
[18:26] <OerHeks> Tualatrix is an ubuntu-hero :-)
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[20:59] <Bashing-om> Gonna go Mow grass for a spell .. back here later .
[21:26] <Bashing-om> Nope. Mower did not start, flooded it ? Try again in a bit .


[13:32] <smartboyhw> o/ bobweavertv, how is your TV doing:)
[13:42] <smartboyhw> o/ bobweaver
[13:43] <bobweaver> yo
[13:43] <smartboyhw> How's your coding?:)
[13:43] <bobweaver> NUX sucks
[13:43] <bobweaver> open gl keeps crashing
[13:44] <bobweaver> icons are rendered like 4 different ways
[13:44] <bobweaver> camara views aer NOT working
[13:44] <bobweaver> are *
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Uh oh
[13:45] <bobweaver> I can alter the renderview and the searchable icons and what not
[13:45] <bobweaver> but I DO NOT see how this unify things
[13:45] <bobweaver> that is a dam lie
[13:45] <bobweaver> or at least for the time beeing
[13:46] <bobweaver> I mean who uses 4 differebt ways to render one thing to a screen
[13:46] <bobweaver> it messes up everything
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Er...
[13:47] <bobweaver> if it was unifyed there would be ONE way to make a icon show up and one way only
[13:47] <bobweaver> not 4 different icons being pushed that are all the same dam thing
[13:47] <bobweaver> and worse things about all this is that no one is getting back to me
[13:47] <bobweaver> no one seems to care what I name things
[13:48] <bobweaver> bull sh^%&*
[13:48] <smartboyhw> Er
[13:48] <bobweaver> oh yeah unifed for sure
[13:49] <bobweaver> example: 2d         Image:{ source: ../somesorce.png ; scale: .67 }
[13:49] <bobweaver> that is it
[13:49] <bobweaver> that is all there is to that
[13:50] <bobweaver> the picture will print to screen nd it is .67 size
[13:50] <bobweaver> Unity/NUX     same thing ok
[13:50] <bobweaver> but I have to use paste bin and also have to make 2 more files
[13:50] <bobweaver> unifyed my ass
[13:51] <smartboyhw> UH oh
[13:52] <bobweaver> and the same thing    http://paste.ubuntu.com/1168075/
[13:52] <bobweaver> more or less
[13:52] <bobweaver> that is how messy this is
[13:53] <smartboyhw> What the...
[13:53] <bobweaver> dont forget that we are dealing with layers here also
[13:53] <bobweaver> this means that that ^^ needs a layer to lay on top of
[13:53] <smartboyhw> That is a lot of code:)
[13:53] <bobweaver> meaning a whole new 2 pages
[13:54] <bobweaver> people that say that NUx and unity is easier to code and less prone to bugs
[13:54] <bobweaver> NEVER CODED IN QT
[13:54] <bobweaver> or are on drugs
[13:54] <smartboyhw> hey, I think of an idea: Maybe that we should add a chat tool in TV, like IRC or Skype. Maybe better with voice control too:)
[13:55] <bobweaver> Unity can't even render picture's easy
[13:55] <bobweaver> you think that vox is going to be easy ?
[13:55] <bobweaver> Rotflol
[13:55] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: No. LOL
[13:57] <bobweaver> that is off on 2nd base smartboyhw
[13:57] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:57] <bobweaver> and dont get me started on signal handleing
[13:57] <bobweaver> what a mess
[13:58] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: It is a mess, but then you're the best coder I've ever seen:)
[13:58] <bobweaver> haha
[13:59] <bobweaver> but I do have over 5 years experience in C++
[13:59] <bobweaver> kinda
[13:59] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:59] <smartboyhw> I only coded it for 6 months:)
[14:00] <bobweaver> Flippen samson and delilah
[14:00] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: What?
[14:01] <bobweaver> its from the bible
[14:02] <smartboyhw> OH.
[14:02] <bobweaver> I think that there is a good song about it by the greatful dead
[14:03] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhRJK6W7Oic
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Uh ok.
[14:34] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: I am back
[14:40] <smartboyhw> o/ back again.
[19:53] <bobweaver> good news on the stand alone stuff http://imagebin.org/225942


[14:23] <jeronimo> how can I up the cores used on my bundle deployment(I've got old hardware)? I tried redeploying the bundle where I set the the constrains: cores=20 on machine level and on charm level cores=2. no change after I deploy the bundle again.
[15:51] <jeronimo> I had to delete and recreate the model


[15:57] <GuidoPallemans> who's going to present this one?
[15:58] <mhall119> I am
[15:58] <mhall119> getting it setup now
[16:01] <mhall119> alright, if anybody wants to join, here's the link: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/060f91f1f6c3483ef4578e41a9ae651c71346c03?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:03] <mhall119> video should be live
[16:03] <karni> you're live
[16:03] <karni> perfect
[16:03] <karni> no delay? :)
[16:04] <mhall119> karni: no, there's delay
[16:04] <karni> ;(
[16:04] <popey> mhall119: Live! :D
[16:04] <mhall119> :P
[16:04] <ikt> =o
[16:06] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/060f91f1f6c3483ef4578e41a9ae651c71346c03?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:07] <WebbyIT> sorry mhall119 choose wrong hangout :-/
[16:07] <WebbyIT> So embarassing
[16:08] <popey> do you have a link to the documentation which shows that bram?
[16:08] <GuidoPallemans> still searching :D
[16:10] <mhall119> hey WebbyIT
[16:10] <karni> Is Alexandre A. the only person working on ubuntu-html5-theme? UbuntuUI seems a core development component of UTouch HTML5 apps and it seems there's still quite a lot of work to shape it up nicely. I know it might not be something Ubuntu SDK team is working on directly, but to me as a developer it is clearly a core piece of the puzzle.
[16:11] <GuidoPallemans> http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/building-blocks/expansion
[16:11] <GuidoPallemans> popey:
[16:11] <popey> thanks
[16:11] <karni> CSS was done by community I think. I see.
[16:12] <karni> Thank you
[16:12] <karni> Why tapping and not "dragging down" - shouldn't tapping on it open the message?
[16:12] <GuidoPallemans> where can I find the extras api docs?
[16:13] <karni> right
[16:14] <karni> Ah I see, thanks okey :)
[16:14] <timp> karni: I think we should ask that to one of the designers. Unfortunately there are none in the current session
[16:14] <karni> Not sure if I should bring it up here (my intentions are good), but the QR code tutorial needs a tiny bit of love. There's a few missing code snippets, and you can't follow the tutorial to complete the app from A to Z even if you wanted (although that may have not been the aim of the tutorial).
[16:14] <karni> timp: Thank you
[16:15] <GuidoPallemans> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-qmltypereference.html
[16:15] <karni> timp: (I would imagine a thread for that particular person could be shown, just a thought :) )
[16:15] <timp> karni: yes, I can imagine that too.
[16:15] <timp> karni: fyi, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/ui-toolkit/qml-ubuntu-components-listitems0-valueselector.html also expands on tap
[16:16]  * karni nods
[16:18] <timp> on http://design.ubuntu.com/apps we list the design patterns that should be followed, with links to APIs
[16:18] <mhall119> karni: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+filebug
[16:18] <karni> mhall119: thank you!
[16:18] <GuidoPallemans> https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/index.html
[16:18] <GuidoPallemans> I'm gonna quit the hangout
[16:19] <karni> mhall119: Sure I will, than kyou
[16:19] <GuidoPallemans> It would be nice to have something like this
[16:19] <mhall119> GuidoPallemans: thanks
[16:19] <GuidoPallemans> for things like "now you can add a toolbar"
[16:19] <GuidoPallemans> or HUD integration
[16:19] <timp> GuidoPallemans: did you check http://design.ubuntu.com/apps to see if that fulfills your needs?
[16:19] <GuidoPallemans> or the friends api
[16:20] <GuidoPallemans> yeah I did, but that is more from a design point of view, but I'm talking about functionality
[16:21] <GuidoPallemans> it does look good though
[16:21] <GuidoPallemans> "it's just gonna be a lot of writing" ... indeed :D
[16:22] <timp> writing *and* updating when components get updated
[16:23] <GuidoPallemans> will the new app store include a user page? a bit like the launchpad page - with email, other apps, irc name, website,...
[16:23] <timp> mhall119: ^
[16:24] <thomi> mhall119: re taking screenshots - that's something you may want support in autopilot for?
[16:24] <GuidoPallemans> maybe also screen-videos?
[16:25] <GuidoPallemans> that would be really nice, I'm still looking for a nice tool to do this
[16:25] <thomi> GuidoPallemans: autopilot can already take videos of failing tests, with a few exceptions (not on the phone, currently)
[16:25] <GuidoPallemans> hmm
[16:25] <thomi> but that should be more do-able once mir lands on the device
[16:25] <thomi> and it's on our TODO list :)
[16:26] <jasonamyers> can we also get some sort of Interface Design guidelines?
[16:26] <thomi> mhall119: OK, I'll file a feature development bug.
[16:26] <thomi> shouldn't be too hard :)
[16:26] <jasonamyers> I know that the visual quality of the apps on android has improved since they started that
[16:26] <GuidoPallemans> jasonamyers: http://design.ubuntu.com/apps
[16:27] <jasonamyers> thanks GuidoPallemans
[16:27] <thomi> mhall119: sure. There's also an autopilot feature development session this morning at 7am
[16:27] <thomi> err, 7PM UTC
[16:28] <GuidoPallemans> I'll probably check that, I don't know too much about autopilot
[16:29] <jasonamyers> fantastic!
[16:29] <thomi> FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1217444
[16:29] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1217444 in Autopilot "Add support for taking screenshots at certain points in the test" [Medium,Triaged]
[16:29] <popey> there's echo mhall119, i am hearing your voice twice..
[16:30] <jasonamyers> Personal opinion, but I find the design part of it impossible
[16:30] <timp> jasonamyers: can you elaborate on that?
[16:30] <jasonamyers> when I like the design tab in the QT Creator that is
[16:30] <GuidoPallemans> I would remove the irc channel from the plug-in, and just link that from the main page
[16:30] <karni> The problems I found have already bugs filed (or even fix related). Like, I hear you now should be able to click package an HTML5 app
[16:30] <GuidoPallemans> and maybe the core apps too - should that really be in the sidebar?
[16:30] <jasonamyers> It launches several grey windows
[16:31] <jasonamyers> and doesn't show up very well
[16:31] <jasonamyers> okay, good to know
[16:32] <karni> *fix released
[16:32] <jasonamyers> I like the link there
[16:32] <GuidoPallemans> api link is very useful
[16:32] <aquarius> hey, dudes
[16:32] <karni> hi aquarius o/
[16:32] <GuidoPallemans> although the search functionality is broke
[16:33]  * karni nods
[16:34] <GuidoPallemans> search functionality in qt creator itself
[16:34] <aquarius> I'd like to be able to have there be a smooth path between "pure web apps" (served from my server, using HTML5's offline capabilities, but integrating with Ubuntu), through to a "native HTML5 app", where I take all the assets and package them in a click package and distribute them, possibly getting access to extra privileged APIs in the process.
[16:35] <karni> ( aquarius: FYI there's a huge lag, they'll see it in a moment )
[16:35] <aquarius> So I can start off building a "pure web app" and then if I decide I want to give up the benefits of being on the web (no packaging required, instant deployment) I can easily translate that to a "native web app" and get access to the extra stuff that a native app gives me.
[16:35] <timp> karni: no we see it instantly, but you see our replies in a moment ;)
[16:36] <karni> timp: oh.. that's pretty bad. I thought the hangout is more or less live (seems less ;) )
[16:36] <timp> irc is pretty real-time :)
[16:36] <GuidoPallemans> http://imgur.com/OQk8oQt
[16:36] <karni> timp: I couldn't believe what I was saying, but I said it anyway lol ;)
[16:37] <aquarius> hey, Mike. Sorry I was late: I had a meeting ;(
[16:37] <timp> :)
[16:37] <aquarius> What's not smooth about it: none of it exists except in statements like "we will be able to do HTML5 apps at some point" ;)
[16:37] <karni> Is it just me, or the stream started to be laggy?
[16:38] <aquarius> ha! I have to meet with clients still :P
[16:38] <aquarius> It's not at all clear how "web HTML5 apps" will work with Ubuntu. Will they be in a separate container, or a tab of the Ubuntu Browser?
[16:39] <timp> karni: waving my hand... NOW (so you can check the delay between irc and video)
[16:39] <GuidoPallemans> I also had an idea for another component (also mentioned it a couple days ago): a column, or grid even, that has rectangle on the north, east, south and west of it. the grid is a flickable, but you have to pull these rectangles out, to trigger the action. example: a north rectangle with a search bar
[16:39] <aquarius> On the desktop, "web HTML5 apps" are in a browser tab. I don't think that'll be the case on touch, right?
[16:40] <aquarius> timp: just seen you wave
[16:40] <karni> timp: ~15 seonds
[16:40] <timp> that's not too bad
[16:40] <marrabld_> >15 secons for me
[16:41]  * aquarius laughs
[16:41] <popey> webapps open in their own window at the moment
[16:41] <popey> on the device
[16:41] <aquarius> popey, they don't on the desktop. That's my point...
[16:41] <popey> i agree
[16:41] <karni> aquarius: the "own window" might be the cordova runtime, right?
[16:41] <popey> that sucks
[16:41] <aquarius> I'm cool if all web apps launch in a container
[16:41] <popey> i personally would prefer web apps to open in a chromeless window, with external links opening in a new window
[16:41] <popey> but I am not driving this ☹
[16:42] <aquarius> that is: I go to a website, in ht e Ubuntu Browser, on Touch, and it has Ubuntu integration so it appears on the Launcher -- if I pin it to the Launcher, close the browser, then press the Launcher button, what happens? That's what I'm asking. It's different between desktop and touch, I think, but maybe I'm wrong. :)
[16:42] <aquarius> "container" -- a separate browser window.
[16:43] <karni> aquarius: that's a really good question
[16:43] <aquarius> If it's a web app it's *already* sandboxed, because it's in a web browser :)
[16:43] <popey> \o/
[16:43] <aquarius> the question about a container is relevant because it depends what the browser engine in that container *is* -- if it's QtWebKit then it doesn't have half of the stuff that Chrome does, for example.
[16:44] <kalikiana> so it gets extra sandy if it runs inside confinement :-P
[16:44] <aquarius> someone else ask questions now :)
[16:45] <aquarius> mhall119, I think you've heard all my feeedback on the developer experience by email :)
[16:45] <mhall119> aquarius: yup
[16:45] <GuidoPallemans> QUESTION Will the tabscomponent on touch devices scroll tab-to-tab with flicking?
[16:45] <popey> QUESTION: Plans to port SDK to OSX/Windows?
[16:46] <aquarius> the full cordova api is *not* available to remotely hosted web apps, or at least it shouldn't be -- it's privileged, requiring native installation.
[16:47] <aquarius> popey, is that "can I run Ubuntu Touch apps on a Windows machine" or "can I *develop* Ubuntu Touch apps on a Windows machine"?
[16:47] <popey> develop
[16:47] <popey> which implies run
[16:47] <GuidoPallemans> FOLLOW-UP wouldn't it be best to have a bool property in the tabs component that en-/disables the tab-to-tab flicking behaviour?
[16:48] <karni> Probably because we use left and right edges, and that could have influenced the decision.
[16:48] <popey> well, doesnt have to imply run
[16:48] <aquarius> personal opinion: why's that important? :)
[16:48] <timp> sdk on windows/osx: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21917/appdev-1308-sdk-porting/
[16:48] <popey> ooh thanks timp
[16:48] <karni> :)
[16:48] <popey> aquarius:  there are orders of magnitude more developers running windows/osx than Ubuntu.
[16:49] <GuidoPallemans> mhall119: ok, sure
[16:50] <aquarius> popey, yeah, but it is hard to see how you can properly test an Ubuntu Touch app without having Ubuntu around. Fine, you can draw a rectangle on the screen, but you can't use the HUD, the Launcher, the Messaging Menu... same as how you can't really develop an iOS app without the iOS emulator. Providing an Ubuntu Touch VM that people can use on Windows seems sensible to me. Porting the Ubuntu Components so
[16:50] <aquarius> they all work on some other OS which doesn't provide all the facilities seems less useful to me.
[16:51] <aquarius> ya, but an Ubuntu Touch app is not like other platforms!  I am happy with that :0
[16:53] <aquarius> QtCreator running on Windows, deploying the apps to a VM, seems sensible.
[16:53] <mhall119> aquarius: +1
[16:53] <aquarius> since the QtCreator team are already working on that sort of thing, surely? :)
[16:53] <karni> :)
[16:54] <karni> Thanks for the session guys
[16:54] <jasonamyers> thank you!
[16:55] <karni> thank you
[16:55] <aquarius> thank you mhall119, timp, kalikiana
[16:55] <popey> thanks!
[16:55] <GuidoPallemans> thanks huys
[16:55] <GuidoPallemans> guys*
[16:55] <mhall119> thanks everyone
[18:00] <mhall119> alright, hope everybody had a good lunch, who's ready to start?
[18:01] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4ddfe8968b6c84bfd6ef63656be38ad216bb266f?authuser=1&hl=en is the hangout URL, please join me the video so I'm not lonely :)
[18:01] <mhall119> video will start broadcasting in a couple minutes
[18:02] <mhall119> popey: that means you :)
[18:03] <popey> hah
[18:04] <mhall119> dpm: join when you can, I'm going to start the broadcast
[18:05] <dpm> mhall119, cool, I'll be a minute, just discussion about the cordova session
[18:05] <dpm> *discussing
[18:05] <mojo706> I can join the hangout how to participate?
[18:05] <mojo706> *can't
[18:05] <kyleNItz> you are live
[18:05] <mhall119> mojo706: ask in IRC then, can you see the video at least?
[18:06] <sethj> We see you
[18:06] <mhall119> anybody who wants to join us in the video hangout https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4ddfe8968b6c84bfd6ef63656be38ad216bb266f?authuser=1&hl=en
[18:07] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-appdev-1308-developer-site-new-ia-and-content  the etherpad
[18:09] <mojo706> I was told there would be audio. Poor meI'll have to watch later
[18:09] <mhall119> mojo706: only the video
[18:13] <kyleNItz> there are code samples in ubuntu-html5-theme-examples package by the way (similar for qml)
[18:15] <mojo706> suggestion: deep dive tutorials sample picture app in html/js
[18:15] <kyleNItz> I have an overall question
[18:15] <sethj> Looks nice!
[18:15] <kyleNItz> "web apps" as level one banner item seemed right to introduce it, but now with html5 apps coming it seems somewhat confusing.
[18:16] <kyleNItz> web apps seems to mean integration with lifeycycle of app from a unity perspective
[18:16] <sethj> One question I do have is if there's going to be a full blown QML tutorial or do developers have to pick that up somewhere else?
[18:17] <mojo706> yes what sethj asked.
[18:19] <dpm> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[18:19] <kyleNItz> I also think that "Native" vs html5 may not be a proper distinction. How is a qml js app more native than an html5/js app that is more than just a front end to a web page?
[18:20] <ayr_ton> Theres will be a REST API for the central hub and web apps?
[18:20] <sethj> Just a little more comprehensive..
[18:20] <sethj> I understand that's probably not Canonical's job..
[18:21] <sethj> There don't seem to be any real good docs for QML, so other than David's converter app I'm kinda left in the dark
[18:22] <ayr_ton> about the website
[18:22] <ayr_ton> It will be a REST API?
[18:22] <mojo706> what if you dont want to use cordova
[18:22] <mhall119> ayr_ton: the developer portal or the API website?
[18:23] <ayr_ton> mhall119, the developer portal
[18:24] <kyleNItz> can someone post the link to the development version of dev.u.com again?
[18:24] <mhall119> kyleNItz: it's at the top of the etherpad, do you have the etherpad open?
[18:24] <kyleNItz> ah, thanks
[18:26] <ayr_ton> mhall119, If yes, we can use something like http://yeoman.io/ for the webapps and http://apiary.io for api blueprint.
[18:28] <ayr_ton> mhall119, Okay
[18:54] <e8hffff> Who's going to rein in the app looks and quality.  personally I think many of the apps are straying off the conceptal path
[18:55] <e8hffff> ...as in the core apps
[18:55] <alex-abreu> kyleN, thanks for that ! :)
[18:55] <mhall119> e8hffff: we're going to try and get some design guidelines together, but ultimately the app developer decides what to do with their app
[18:55] <e8hffff> mhall119: ok good to know
[18:57] <e8hffff> mhall: wathcing your hangout live youtube at moment. wasn't sure if this was the channel to ask questions or not.
[18:58] <mhall119> e8hffff: it is, but we're almost out of time
[18:58] <alex-abreu> mhall119, great explanation
[18:58] <alex-abreu> mhall119, a webapp is basically passive from the point of view of the website
[18:58] <e8hffff> mhall: I get OpenID errors in the offical ubuntu URL
[18:58] <alex-abreu> mhall119, and the concept is orthongonal to the one of the available apis
[18:59] <e8hffff> mhall: anyway no need to reply.  concentrate on what you're doing
[19:00] <e8hffff> I agree with the guy talking about app and webapps. The Youtube Apps is lost in that it's not dedicated enough.
[19:01] <sethj> I think there's a difference in the use point of view too.
[19:01] <alex-abreu> mhall119, on thursday there should be a session on html5 apps
[19:02] <dinkometalac_> e8hffff, youtube app can be done as soon as HTML5 video i supported in Ubuntu touch
[19:02] <dinkometalac_> right now, we cannot do anything about that
[19:02] <e8hffff> the priority should obviously to promote real qml apps
[19:02] <dinkometalac_> just look what happened to MS
[19:02] <dinkometalac_> and their app for wp8
[19:02] <mhall119> e8hffff: HTML5 and QML are equals on Ubuntu Touch
[19:03] <popey> awesome
[19:03] <e8hffff> mhall: yeah as in they share js, but the end results are noticable
[19:04] <e8hffff> btw I haven't done much cordova coding.
[19:05] <zyga> hi
[19:06] <e8hffff> I get the argument though as in different  approaches using the same gears
[19:06] <e8hffff> To me webapps = webkit with interfaces to system
[19:07] <mojo706> e8hffff, you mean on Ubuntu Touch or Webapps in general
[19:08] <e8hffff> general.  It's ahrd to draw lines since qml is using similar gears
[19:08] <mhall119> alright, time to start the API website session
[19:08] <e8hffff> that was to mojo
[19:08] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/87949fb860456f85049ef5a0cf5e9b3f75c47b4f?authuser=1&hl=en for anybody who would like to join
[19:09] <e8hffff> Ubuntu guys a criticism is you shoudl eb using the email dabase more you got when people signed up on news release of Ubuntuu touch
[19:11] <zyga> video live
[19:11] <sethj_> I see you
[19:11] <zyga> last time the lag was 4 minutes
[19:12] <zyga> ah
[19:12] <zyga> I just heard you
[19:12] <zyga> cool
[19:12] <e8hffff> anyway cheers.  Thanks for the works and efforts.  Seems like milestones are being had and it's getting exciting..  bye...
[19:13] <zyga> where is the site?
[19:13] <zyga> ah, thanks
[19:14]  * zyga joins the etherpad team
[19:15]  * zyga still doesn't see etherpad :/
[19:15] <zyga> but that's ok
[19:15] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[19:15] <mhall119> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/Ubuntu/13.04/Ubuntu.Components/Button/
[19:15] <zyga> thanks
[19:16] <zyga> cool!
[19:16] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperNetwork
[19:16] <zyga> yeah
[19:16] <zyga> it's pretty neat
[19:16] <sethj> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad/+join
[19:16] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/87949fb860456f85049ef5a0cf5e9b3f75c47b4f?authuser=1&hl=en
[19:16] <zyga> it looks great
[19:17] <sethj> I had to log out of lp/SSO and log back in before I saw the etherpad.
[19:17] <sethj> just fyi
[19:17] <zyga> I'm interested in one thing, do you envison that the way this consumes content could be adapted to, say, consume docs for python code?
[19:18] <zyga> I'm interested in this very much then!
[19:18] <zyga> you broke up after "opposite"
[19:19] <mhall119> zyga: can you hear me now?
[19:19] <zyga> yeah
[19:19] <zyga> it's ok
[19:19] <zyga> it was just for a few seconds
[19:19] <sethj> all fine here
[19:21] <micah2> QUESTION: Will the new api webpages include a visual example of visual elements?
[19:27] <zyga> where is the code?
[19:43] <zyga> mhall119: cool, I will
[19:47] <zyga> woot
[19:47] <zyga> thanks for asking, I usually just silently ignore when people pronounce my name in funny ways :)
[19:49] <zyga> mhall119: if you can assume we have python2.7 we can drop argparse from requiremetns
[19:49] <zyga> mhall119: what is the better channel to talk about this?
[19:49] <mhall119> zyga: I won't guarantee that I won't pronounce it in funny ways still
[19:49] <zyga> :D
[19:49] <mhall119> #ubuntu-app-devel
[20:00] <GuidoPallemans> its up


[21:00] <Pyro_Killer> hello everyone, i am having problems installing ubuntu on my Ideapad Y500, when starting up try ubuntu without install, without splash or quiet, the window is about, 1/12 of the screen and unreadable, also the shelll stops, and the only thing i can read is driver on the bottom line, this is a 650m graphics card, does anyone know how to fix it?
[21:01] <Pyro_Killer> i had tried runniong with noapic nolapic and manually setting vga
[21:01] <Pyro_Killer> I see the problem beeing posted, but no on eseems to have a solid soolution


 I see a greatly reduced resolution for the login screen, enter my password and then just see the desktop background with a mouse pointer
[11:01] <codecowboy> I've tried everything here - http://askubuntu.com/questions/449845/problems-after-upgrading-to-14-04-only-background-and-pointer-after-login - and still not working
[11:01] <penguin42> codecowboy: You say updating, was this an update from 13.10 to 14.04 or just one of the regular updates?
[11:01] <codecowboy> regular updates
[11:01] <penguin42> oops, that's bad
[11:02] <codecowboy> regular updates. was a fresh 14.04 install
[11:02] <penguin42> codecowboy: Can you log into the guest account?
[11:02] <popey> what video card?
[11:02] <popey> nvidia?
[11:03] <codecowboy> yep nvidia 8800
[11:03] <codecowboy> guess account is the same
[11:03] <codecowboy> guest
[11:04] <popey> did you install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com or the one from the repo
[11:04] <popey> ?
[11:04] <codecowboy> popey from nvidia.com and it was working before the update
[11:04] <popey> thats your problem
[11:04] <popey> dont do that
[11:04] <popey> probably will work if you reboot, hold shift to get grub menu and boot to previous kernel
[11:05] <popey> then  you can re-install the driver or uninstall it and reinstall the repo driver
[11:08] <codecowboy> booted into previous kernel and now have a high resolution version of the same problem. desktop but no icons / untiy
[11:08] <popey> ok, need to reinstall the driver then
[11:09] <popey> I'd boot to your most recent kernel, go to recovery mode and install driver there
[11:09] <popey> its a shame this happens
[11:09]  * popey goes to make lunch
[11:16] <codecowboy> still got the same problem
[11:31] <codecowboy> also tried this http://askubuntu.com/questions/17381/unity-doesnt-load-no-launcher-no-dash-appears
[12:25] <ali1234> codecowboy: ensure you have the kernel headers installed. delete the nvidia module from /lib/modules/<kernel>/updates/
[12:25] <ali1234> then run dkms install -m nvidia-331-updates -v 331.38 --all
[12:25] <ali1234> you will probably have to do this from the recovery session
[12:27] <ali1234> actually i think the problem is you never installed nvidia driver
[12:27] <ali1234> so install that too
[12:28] <codecowboy> ali1234 i defiinitey did install the driver and it was working
[12:28] <ali1234> you installed it from nvidia.com that doesn't work properl
[12:30] <codecowboy> if i try running in failsafe graphics mode, nothing works
[12:30] <codecowboy> ali1234 is that what you mean by 'revery session'?
[12:30] <ali1234> no
[12:31] <codecowboy> recovery session even....
[12:31] <codecowboy> ali1234 what do you mean then!?
[12:39] <codecowboy> popey got any other suggestions?
[12:42] <popey> my only suggestion would be to remove everything that came from nvidia.com and then reboot, using nouveau and that will get you a desktop
[12:42] <popey> then install the right nvidia driver from the repo
[12:43] <codecowboy> popey i think i have removed things
[12:43] <popey> reboot and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and/or /var/log/lightdm logs
[12:43] <codecowboy> popey what do you mean 'reboot using nouveau' ?
[12:44] <popey> if you reboot without having an nvidia driver installed it should fall back to the free software nouveau driver
[12:46] <codecowboy> how can I be 100% sure I have removed the nvidia.com driver?
[12:48] <popey> you'll know when it doesnt start
[12:55] <codecowboy> rebooting with nouveau doesn't resolve this so guess I will have to reinstall, thanks anyway
[12:57] <popey> you dont need to reinstall
[12:57] <popey> you just need to clean up the crap the nvidia driver installs
[12:58] <codecowboy> I have done apt-get remove --purge nvidia* etc
[12:58] <popey> no
[12:58] <popey> remove the crap the nvidia driver from nviaid.com installs
[12:58] <codecowboy> so maybe i don't know how to do that?
[12:59] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/206283/how-can-i-uninstall-a-nvidia-driver-completely
[12:59] <codecowboy> yep just done all that
[12:59] <popey> so something is probably still left
[12:59] <popey> what does xorg.0.log say when  you reboot?
[12:59] <popey> can you pastebin it?
[13:00] <codecowboy> not easily, as no guy on the ubuntu box
[13:00] <codecowboy> no gui
[13:00] <popey> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[13:00] <popey> pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:00] <codecowboy> perhaps i can ssh in
[13:01] <popey> you can do the above from the console
[13:07] <codecowboy> found this in the kernel log http://pastebin.com/5L5Q4YGv
[13:08] <popey> probably left behind by the nvidia driver
[13:08] <popey> it has an uninstall option I believe
[13:09] <codecowboy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7751231/
[13:09] <popey> do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[13:12] <codecowboy> i did but deleted it
[13:13] <codecowboy> uninstaller log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7751245/
[13:15] <codecowboy> problem persists ... :(
[13:26] <ali1234> i had some kernel fun yesterday. did you know that if you install linux-image and not linux-image-extras, the machine will boot up to the login screen and then hard lock?
[13:26] <ali1234> and there is no dependency to make sure they both get installed
[14:58] <Myrtti> hello hello hello
[15:00] <popey> yo
[15:01] <nigelb> hi
[15:07] <Myrtti> oof
[15:07] <Myrtti> want it, but omg the price https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/604134477/swich-wireless-charger-for-iphone-and-android
[15:14] <diddledan> Myrtti: that's sexy
[15:31] <popey> how much!
[15:32] <penguin42> Myrtti: Don't show popey kickstarter items....
[15:46] <diddledan> lol
[15:51] <diddledan> halle berry in a tv show? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_1083431_50994491_button
[15:55] <diddledan> sorry, that link's busted
[15:55] <diddledan> try http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_1083431_50994491_button/?ie=UTF8&docId=1000811873
[16:50] <diddledan> speaking of kickstarter, there's this on indiegogo: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/outpost-an-epic-sci-fi-adventure
[18:10] <ali1234> has anyone else seen the problem where the steam "view" menu sticks on the screen when you go to big picture mode?
[18:26] <ali1234> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3337
[18:35] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100987428678663635460/posts/iXwB3f1xuBq
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: not here -all ok
[18:36] <ali1234> SuperEngineer: using nvidia?
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: yup
[18:37] <ali1234> and 14.04?
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: yup
[18:37] <ali1234> are you suuuuuure?
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: definitely
[18:37] <ali1234> hmm. that's really odd
[18:38] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: just for you - I'll try again...
[18:39] <ali1234> multimonitor?
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: still can't get it to stick on screen -& yup -multi monitor
[18:40] <ali1234> unity?
[18:41] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: but now I'm back in xchat - the shadow is still there!!
[18:41] <ali1234> hah!
[18:41] <ali1234> i knew it
[18:41] <ali1234> so it behaves a little bit different for you presumably because of using a different window manager. but the underlying bug still happens
[18:41] <SuperEngineer> so bug confirmed - in an indirect sort of way - but definitely confirmed
[18:42] <ali1234> get rid of it by opening the view menu again or quitting steam
[18:42] <SuperEngineer> ali1234:  - now quitting steam...
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> ...and you're right - so *BUG*
[18:48] <ali1234> well at least it's not a window manager bug, then i'd have to fix it
[18:50] <penguin42> ali1234: Haha which one do you wrangle?
[18:50] <ali1234> xfwm4
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> [I'd tell you which video card if I could remeber the command - or the package in software centre that told you everything about you're system]
[18:51] <ali1234> thing is, today i found another piece of software which does something very similar
[18:51] <ali1234> but it looks like just two programs have the same bug to me
[19:11] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: in case you need the info - my system: 14.04 - Unity - multi-monitor - GeForce GTX 650 - & bug confirmed ;)
[19:12] <ali1234> i don't but thanks :)


[16:28] <BLZbubba> hello there, i am trying to run centos 6 on a system with no console; but some of the init files say "console output"
[16:28] <BLZbubba> is there a way to have "console" mean a log file


[01:24] <jrwren> HEY!
[01:24] <jrwren> gues what I wasted half of my day on?
[01:24] <jrwren> this is really funny
[01:25] <jrwren> messsagelistener -l <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:25] <jrwren> server listening for a connection, it just talks http, no big deal.
[01:25] <jrwren> ./someclient
[01:25] <jrwren> it has localhost hardcoded in it, in C, and in python (a few ./someclients)
[01:25] <jrwren> what could go wrong?
[01:27] <cmaloney> IT's a server. THere's lilely a few things.
[01:28] <jrwren> really?
[01:29] <jrwren> it has multiple entires for localhost, including ::1 *sigh*
[01:30] <jrwren> oh and getaddrinfo always returns ipv6 first
[01:31] <cmaloney> Hah, that's awesome.
[01:32] <jrwren> it was not awesome.
[01:32] <jrwren> it doesn't help that I was super deep into crazy c/python cython stuff, fixing those bugs, so when this came up, OF COURSE i start looking deep in tehre first.
[14:12] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:12] <brousch> So far
[14:20] <rick_h__> ugh
[14:20] <jrwren> GOOD MORNING!!!
[14:24] <jrwren> http://t.co/NuokPXOdmR
[14:27] <cmaloney> jrwren: Pretty soon we'll just use heiroglyphics to speak
[14:28] <jrwren> we don't already?
[14:28] <cmaloney> We'll speak in Emoji. ;)
[14:40] <jrwren> japanese speak in kanji
[14:41] <jrwren> s/speak/write/
[14:48] <rick_h__> lmao of the morning https://twitter.com/jackdied/status/410782645413748736
[14:49] <rick_h__> I hated getting those calls form godaddy, but that one might be worth getting
[14:49] <jrwren> hahahaah
[14:51] <brousch> Now I want to register fuckgodaddy.com
[14:58] <brousch> Wow http://boingboing.net/2013/12/11/glitch.html
[15:35] <cmaloney> brousch: Yeah
[15:35] <brousch> I have one app in my idea list that I assumed I'd never get around to because it needs a bunch of fanciful creatures. Now it maybe be do-able
[15:36] <cmaloney> That's definitely the one-stop shopping for strange shit. :)
[15:37] <cmaloney> Sadly I wonder how many otherwise crappy games will get people to give them a second look because of that artwork.
[15:37] <cmaloney> it'll almost be like silently judging an article / book because they used a particular artist's stock clip-art or photo or something.
[15:40] <cmaloney> Don't get me wrong: I think it's awesome they released those assets.
[15:40] <cmaloney> I saw some assets for another game that was in development that will likely never see the light of day
[15:40] <cmaloney> and they were quite stunning.
[15:41] <brousch> But now a hack like me can take these beautiful things and stick them in my crap, which sort of dilutes their value
[15:42] <cmaloney> brousch: Depends on how they're used.
[15:42] <rick_h__> right now they'll never be used. It's wasted time and effort
[15:43] <rick_h__> if at least one good thing comes out of them, then you'd be doing them a service.
[15:45] <cmaloney> Yep
[15:54] <brousch> It's like creating a beautiful font that all of the secretaries start to use for company newsletters so it gets a bad rap
[16:24] <greg-g> as of 9 minutes ago, Rowan is 2 years old
[16:25] <brousch> Good luck
[16:25] <greg-g> :)
[16:25] <brousch> Actually 2 was not bad for us. 3 was worse
[16:25] <greg-g> "great"
[16:25] <greg-g> so you're saying "this ain't as bad as it gets"
[16:26] <jrwren> awesome!
[16:26] <jrwren> agree with brousch
[16:26] <greg-g> :)
[16:26] <jrwren> 2 was easy
[16:26] <jrwren> 3 got hard
[16:26] <greg-g> heh, crap
[16:26] <greg-g> :)
[16:26] <jrwren> everyone is different
[16:27] <brousch> I think potty training was the worst
[16:27] <brousch> We did that in the 3s
[16:27] <greg-g> yeah, Rowan is different than most kids, he's been more intense/active/ (and yeah, aggressive) for a long time, hopefully it'll even out soon
[16:27] <greg-g> oh, he's already potty trained, has been since 5 months
[16:27] <brousch> That's incredible
[16:28] <greg-g> well, "elimination communication", he says "pee" or "poop" then we bring him to the bathroom and he goes
[16:29] <brousch> That's still really impressive
[16:29] <brousch> How much warning do you get?
[16:30] <greg-g> depends, it's always been really great, but lately, as in the last week or so, there have been a few accidents
[16:32] <rick_h__> greg-g: congrats
[16:32] <greg-g> thanks :)
[16:32] <rick_h__> greg-g: terrible twos, terrifying threes, fearsome fours
[16:32] <rick_h__> there's a nice pattern there for you to run with
[16:32] <greg-g> brousch: full answer: at the beginning, it was more us trying to recognize the signs, we got really good and all was great for a long time. There were accidents, but only like 10 in a year and a half
[16:32] <greg-g> heh
[16:36] <brousch> My son is 5 and he had 1 accident this year. He will still dance around holding his crotch and claim he doesn't have to go
[16:37] <brousch> Accident was when he was sleeping, so not as bad
[16:37] <rick_h__> yea, when he's into something you have to get him away. He'll keep going and just wet unfortunately.
[16:38] <greg-g> yeah, that happened a couple times recently :/
[16:39] <cmaloney> Happy Birthday Rowan!
[16:40] <greg-g> :)
[16:43] <cmaloney> Sitting on hold for the post office.
[16:43] <cmaloney> Something tells me they forgot about me.
[16:44] <cmaloney> Either that or getting a passport is hard work.
[16:59] <rick_h__> I hate life...http://r.bmark.us/u/2f791dc1d5cba5
[17:28] <cmaloney> Apparently AT&T is bucking for the Verizon "shitty company" awards
[17:35] <jrwren> comcast rules!
[18:07] <cmaloney> https://ting.com/blog/how-ting-does-coffee/
[18:17] <rick_h__> OMG this is the craziest video I've seen http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east-wisconsin/waukesha/germantown-hwy-4145-pileup-captured-on-camera/-/10150328/23398136/-/d6wy9ez/-/index.html
[18:18] <rick_h__> it's freaking bumper cars
[18:18] <rick_h__> mad props to the semi drivers, about the only ones in control
[18:19] <jrwren> is it a ice thing?
[18:19] <jrwren> oh, yup, snowy
[18:20] <rick_h__> yea, and people out of the cars with speed people going out of control
[18:20] <rick_h__> note to self, stay in the freaking car!
[18:21] <jrwren> eff that.
[18:21] <jrwren> get out of car and get out of the way.
[18:21] <jrwren> hop the fence and keep running
[18:21] <rick_h__> man, watch that.  Just did a 360 on I69 once in college
[18:40] <brousch> greg-g: I never have, though there were definitely times I deserved to
[18:40] <rick_h__> bald tires of poor college kids don't help
[18:40] <brousch> I remember bouncing off drifts and through 4 way stops in Ann Arbor
[18:40] <cmaloney> I went off the curb one time that someone dumped a bunch of gravel on the offramp of I-94 and Oakwood
[18:41] <cmaloney> Surprised I didn't bang up the car more than I did
[18:41] <cmaloney> And managed to hit someone's trailer hitch while (don't laugh) looking at my Palm Clie while driving.
[18:42] <cmaloney> had a big square dent in my bumper and blown airbags.
[18:42] <cmaloney> dude didn't even have a scratch.
[18:44] <brousch> My worst was when I had mono and fell asleep on a back road at 60mph
[18:45] <cmaloney> lovely.
[18:45] <brousch> Still didn't go in the ditch!
[18:52] <greg-g> wow, luckly
[18:52] <greg-g> -l
[19:15] <_stink_> my worst was totaling my taurus on I75 near 475 - tried to change lanes at 60 mph through a 5 inch high line of snow that had built up between lanes
[19:16] <_stink_> hit the center rail
[19:17] <greg-g> _stink_: eek
[19:17] <greg-g> I totalled my Ranger by hitting a deer on I35 (Minnesota) going 70
[19:18] <_stink_> yeeikes
[19:18] <_stink_> what did the deer look like afterward
[19:18] <greg-g> well, totalled as in "possibly a tweaked frame, costs more to fix than the value of the truck at that point"
[19:18] <_stink_> hah
[19:18] <greg-g> well, since it's a truck, it was a flat on hit, so decent/edible
[19:18] <_stink_> heh
[19:18] <_stink_> "edible"
[19:18] <greg-g> :)
[22:05] <cmaloney> Did you get a mail from Valve?
[22:05] <cmaloney> jcastro: ^^
[22:17] <jcastro> hah
[22:17] <jcastro> I doubt it
[22:17] <jcastro> I mean, I am checking
[22:45] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+CraigMaloney/posts/VucZNxq8yYP
[22:49] <rick_h__> cmaloney: not going ot make CHC tonight. Fighint cold and want to rest and get better before this weekend
[22:50] <cmaloney> OK. Thanks for the heads up.
[22:51] <cmaloney> hope you feel better soon!
[22:56] <rick_h__> thanks
[22:56] <rick_h__> yea, need to get my tastebuds back for wine night


[00:12] <OvenWerks> Maybe I should take out the functionallity Cadence covers and just add the extras.
[02:31] <BionicMac> OvenWerks: Leave the US-controls as is please. =)
[02:33] <ErichEickmeyer> BionicMac: what do you mean?
[02:35] <BionicMac> ErichEickmeyer: I was just kidding around in responding to OvenWerks comment: OvenWerks | Maybe I should take out the functionallity Cadence covers and just add the extras.
[02:36] <BionicMac> Because I prefer US over KXstudio in general.
[02:37] <BionicMac> I had a few problems with the kx suite of tools not nehaving with my jack connections. I removed them all.
[02:37] <BionicMac> s/nehaving/behaving/
[02:37] <ErichEickmeyer> Ah. Well, there's some great stuff coming down the pike for -controls: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2018-April/008591.html
[02:38] <BionicMac> I see! That is what I am referring to. DO not remove functionality becaue of Cadence/Catia. There are folks like me that need the functionality of US-controls. =)
[02:38] <BionicMac> ErichEickmeyer: ok thanks for the link.
[02:38] <ErichEickmeyer> np
[02:39] <ErichEickmeyer> We're just trying to figure out what would be a decent replacement for Patchage since it's unmaintained. Carla, though it's a plugin host, seems to be the most logical solution since it has a really nice patchbay.
[02:40] <ErichEickmeyer> I don't think we'd ever consider remove functionality from -controls.
[02:41] <ErichEickmeyer> *removing
[02:41] <BionicMac> I actually dig the interfaces of the Cadence suite. Easy on the eye, and it works, except for 2 things:
[02:41] <BionicMac> 1) It doesn't behave with my jack connectiosns and it has to do with 'ladishd'
[02:42] <BionicMac> I will have my connectiosn setup nice and pretty and bam, all my connections are magcially re-arranged by the Cadence suite. Very bad deal, I've had it almost blow my speaker sout making those auto-connections.
[02:42] <ErichEickmeyer> 1) - definitely a shortcoming of Ladish. Even Gladish has the same problem (Claudia is the Ladish frontend, not Catia).
[02:43] <BionicMac> right, I just think of zcadence because that is where I watch my connections of course, ladishd was the actual culprit, correct.
[02:44] <BionicMac> 2) I do *not* like having kxstudio repos on my system because I have to set priorities or it tries to upgrade apps all the time.
[02:44] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. I don't even bother with Claudia or Ladish. Messes things up for me.
[02:44] <ErichEickmeyer> 2) THIS I can agree with!
[02:44] <BionicMac> speaking of 2) .. I always know that Ubuntustudio will be nice to my system as a whole in that regard.
[02:50] <BionicMac> I use non-mixer for my plugin host.
[02:51] <BionicMac> I wish the non-* suite was in UbuntuStudio.
[02:51] <BionicMac> That was the only reason I installed KXStudio repos in the first place.
[02:53] <BionicMac> I've been studying how to build packages the Ubuntu-way. I think I may build the non-* packages for Ubuntu and put them on Launchpad.
[02:54] <BionicMac> Hello SlidingHorn
[03:15] <ErichEickmeyer> BionicMac: That would be great. I'm learning packaging myself. Nobody is upgrading the Calf plugins to the latest version, and it's been out since November. Might have to do it myself.
[03:43] <OvenWerks> the non-stuff is not hard to build... last time I tried it went well. Used to be a lot of people used NTK for GUI libs too.
[04:04] <BionicMac> only thing I have issue with non apps is the nano-font-size. they don't follow my system-wide fonts in Kde. I can literally barely read the text. I assume it has something to with NTK.
[04:06] <OvenWerks> Hmm, I hadn't noticed but then, my screens are relatively low rez
[04:06] <OvenWerks> FLTK seems to be fine (NTK is built on FLTK)
[04:06] <BionicMac> my displa is high-res but I scale my desktop and set system-wide fonts that non doesn't honor.
[04:10] <OvenWerks> Thinking about that a bit more, it seems to me that I ended up with a dual rezolution commandline switch in mcpdisp (FLTK) so you are probably right.
[04:12] <BionicMac> I read an article about font size issues with FLTK (for another app) and the person changed the source code to overcome it.
[04:14] <BionicMac> and here it is: https://www.oyranos.org/2016/01/high-dpi-with-fltk/index.html
[04:14] <OvenWerks> I wonder is AVTK is any better.
[04:17] <BionicMac> on another topic, I installed Clementine and am really diggin' it. So nice.
[04:18] <OvenWerks> He seems to have forgottne how old FLTK (AKA forms) really is.
[04:19] <OvenWerks> it is from the original Motif era
[04:19] <BionicMac> I've never been able to settle on the bloaty-type music players on linux. I always go back to mplayer cli. It plays everything and I like it. But it is handy having a power-gui music player. Clementine is doing it for me personally. VLC is pretty dang nice too.
[04:19] <BionicMac> Oh, motif era is old school.
[04:20] <OvenWerks> I like VLC except it never stops once started.
[04:20] <Unit193> "never stops"?
[04:20] <cfhowlett> ???
[04:20] <BionicMac> OvenWerks: Never stops? I'm not ctching your meaning.
[04:20] <BionicMac> catching*
[04:20] <Unit193> Eg, I had this: vlc -f --audio-visual visual --effect-list spectrum --run-time 21600 --play-and-exit http://peridot.streamguys.com:5550/live
[04:21] <BionicMac> Unit193: nice line... let me try that
[04:21] <Unit193> You're gonna want to adjust some of that at least.
[04:21] <cfhowlett> killed it with a single click ...
[04:22] <BionicMac> cfhowlett: vlc never gives me issues either
[04:23] <BionicMac> Unit193: That line was wicked cool. worked perfect "as-is"
[04:24] <Unit193> Plays for that duration and quits.
[04:25] <OvenWerks> Ya that is what I mean. if you use context menu from filemanager to play a video with VLC, the video ends but VLC stays in memory
[04:27] <BionicMac> Nice, shift+A toggles audio output source
[04:27] <OvenWerks> The reason people use FLTK in audio things like plugins and plugin hosts is because the whole thing ends up in the binary un like QT/gtk
[04:27] <BionicMac> The it has to be way to correct the fonts, surely?
[04:28] <OvenWerks> you pointed to it.
[04:28] <OvenWerks> the dev has to detect and adjust.
[04:29] <BionicMac> The that article gives the answer.
[04:29] <BionicMac> Then*
[04:29] <Unit193> OvenWerks: ...There's an option in the file menu to quit.
[04:29] <Unit193> "Quit after playback"
[04:30] <OvenWerks> I'll remember that... beats killall stuff
[04:30] <Unit193> ..There's also the 'X' where you don't have to killall..
[04:31] <OvenWerks> the window decoration X doesn't seem to be that X
[04:32] <OvenWerks> window goes away... vlc is still around
[04:33] <BionicMac> OvenWerks: ah, ok, I see what you mean now.
[04:33] <OvenWerks> huh, can't even test it right now, I haven't installed it in 18.04 yet :)
[04:35] <OvenWerks> BionicMac: the reason I noticed it was that if VLC didn't like a video and I went to trysome other player... VLC was blocking the other player.
[04:35] <OvenWerks> kill vlc and the other player would work.
[04:37] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I am off till tomorrow... g'nite
[04:39] <BionicMac> nite


[00:43] <lazyPower> jose: you need to put it behind a proxy service, is the proper way to do it
[00:43] <lazyPower> eg: setup nginx to forward to the socket or localhost:port
[00:43] <lazyPower> whichever way you choose to setup the daemon
[00:44] <jose> cak
[00:44] <lazyPower> https://github.com/groovyobject/Ansible-Playbooks/blob/master/templates/nginx_site_proxy.j2
[00:44] <jose> ack*
[00:44] <jose> hmm
[00:44] <lazyPower> theres an nginx vhost that would reverse proxy to a port configured daemon. in this case, a node.js app for ghost
[00:44] <lazyPower> otherwise, you specify the proxy-pass to the full path of the socket file
[01:05] <lazyPower> jose: also since i didn't specify, thats in a jinja2 template format
[01:05] <lazyPower> the {{ }} is for variable substitution. You dont want to leave those behind. I bet you gathered that - but just in case.
[01:07] <jose> tahnk you :)
[01:07] <jose> I'm looking into that tomorrow, for sure
[01:07] <jose> lazyPower: did you get the tests to pass? because I got some weird clock
[02:39] <lazyPower> jose: that means it skipped
[02:39] <lazyPower> are you still running on free tier of AWS? you'll probably need to kick up the deployment wait time
[02:39] <lazyPower> if you're running on smalls, the 900 it waits by default should be plenty, and one of the tests failed. run it with the -v flag and you'll get more output to tell you why it gav eyou a skip
[02:43] <jose> lazyPower: I'm running on the free tier, under micros
[02:43] <lazyPower> yeah, you'll want to tune the timeout setting to something more reasonable
[02:43] <jose> 1200 is default
[02:44] <lazyPower> it was 900 last i checked. that my be set th 1200 and it still may not be long enough
[02:44] <lazyPower> if you dont get a response messag elike "Unable to connect to MySQL" then chances are it timed out during the d.deploy phase
[02:44] <lazyPower> you can test with the local provider to keep your cloud costs down if you comment out the NFS tests. and unit. thats the only one in the bunch that doesnt play well with LXC
[02:48] <jose> well, I don't use local as it takes forever to deploy :P
[02:48] <jose> my internet connection is still slow
[02:48] <jose> I can keep up with cloud, it's good for me
[13:51] <sebas_> Juju and the Drupal charm was just presented here at FISL 15, in Brasil :)
[14:10] <frankban> rbasak: ping re new quickstart release
[14:10] <rbasak> frankban: hi! I have looked at it, but haven't finished testing it yet. Had some issues with my test environment.
[14:11] <rbasak> frankban: I'm at a sprint this week, so I'm quite time limited. Sorry for the delay.
[14:12] <rbasak> One of the issues I have, BTW, is that on a loaded box, juju times out creating an lxc container template, even though it will finish in the end anyway
[14:12] <frankban> rbasak: no worries and thanks! so, as I mentioned yesterday, the revisions which should be included are revno 65, 66 and 67. Please feel free to ping me if you need any help
[14:13] <frankban> rbasak: uhm, timeout while creating the template never experienced that :-/
[14:15] <rbasak> I think it's an assumption that juju (not quickstart) is making about how long it should take to build the template container
[14:18] <alexpilotti> natefinch: hi!
[14:19] <natefinch> alexpilotti: howdy!
[14:19] <frankban> rbasak: OIC
[14:19] <alexpilotti> natefinch: good tx, frantically getting ready for Atlanta :-)
[14:19] <frankban> rbasak: so on slower machines it can timeout
[14:19] <frankban> rbasak: or on slower connections I guess
[14:20] <rbasak> frankban: right. WHere I'm testing, IO performance is poor because it's on a VM where the metal is shared by other tenants.
[14:20] <frankban> yeah
[14:32] <mhall119> marcoceppi: one of these days I'll remember how to fix this,until then I need your help again
[14:32] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~$ juju status
[14:32] <mhall119> ERROR state/api: websocket.Dial wss://<IP_ADDRESS>:17070/: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:17070: connection refused
[14:32] <mhall119> after having to reboot
[14:33]  * mhall119 has a tomboy note open now to record the fix
[14:33] <jcastro> we really need to fix that
[14:33] <marcoceppi> mhall119: it's okay, if you remember how to fix this I'll not be needed anymore
[14:33] <marcoceppi> mhall119: initctl list | grep juju
[14:34] <mhall119> nothing listed
[14:34] <marcoceppi> mhall119: sorry
[14:34] <marcoceppi> mhall119: sudo initctl list | grep juju
[14:34] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~$ sudo initctl list |grep juju
[14:34] <mhall119> juju-db-mhall-local stop/waiting
[14:34] <mhall119> juju-agent-mhall-local start/running, process 1064
[14:34] <marcoceppi> mhall119: sudo start juju-db-mhall-local
[14:35] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~$ sudo start juju-db-mhall-local
[14:35] <mhall119> juju-db-mhall-local start/running, process 11371
[14:35] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~$ sudo initctl list |grep juju
[14:35] <mhall119> juju-db-mhall-local stop/waiting
[14:35] <marcoceppi> mhall119: sudo service monogdb stop
[14:36] <marcoceppi> then start juju-db-mhall-local
[14:36] <mhall119> still goes back to stop/waiting
[14:36] <marcoceppi> mhall119: pastebin /var/log/upstart/juju-db-mhall-local.log
[14:37] <mhall119> marcoceppi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7410772/
[14:38] <marcoceppi> mhall119: this was more than a reboot I'm guessing
[14:39] <mhall119> at 10am today I manually rebooted after updating my system, because hangouts weren't working
[14:39] <mhall119> a couple days ago my laptop powered itself off for no reason, I haven't tried accessing my juju env since then, so it may have been broken for a while
[14:41] <marcoceppi> mhall119: so there's a --repair flag for mongo (really just need to remove a lock file but I don't know where it is)
[14:41] <marcoceppi> mhall119: can you pastebin /etc/init/juju-db-mhall-local.conf
[14:42] <mhall119> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7410785/
[14:44] <mhall119> it was ~/.juju/local/db/mongod.lock
[14:44] <mhall119> removed that, re-ran sudo start juju-db-mhall-local and now I can `juju status`
[14:47] <marcoceppi> mhall119: awesome, good to know
[14:47] <marcoceppi> mhall119: thumper is working on a new `juju local` plugin that will make managing local environments way easier in the future
[14:47] <mhall119> I look forward to breaking it :)
[15:38] <whit> wwitzel3, you put up your pyramid charm somewhere yet?
[16:09] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/462391/juju-bootstrap-node-cant-access-ubuntu-archives-via-maas
[16:09] <jcastro> anyone see this problem before?
[16:31] <tedg> lazyPower, So I got the ownCloud charm setup on docean. It works well.
[16:31] <tedg> lazyPower, How is the SSL bit going?
[16:31] <lazyPower> tedg: thats awesome!
[16:32] <lazyPower> tests are blocking the merge, but its incoming. Jose and I were having a bit of back and forth about it lastnight.
[16:32] <lazyPower> I expect it to land in the next couple of days
[16:32] <tedg> Cool, I didn't want to take it beyond playing with if there was no encryption.
[16:32] <lazyPower> Yeah - another thing to note
[16:33] <lazyPower> there's a server side encryption plugin - i *highly* recommend it
[16:33] <tedg> Oh, that's interesting.
[16:33] <tedg> BTW, I used DAVdroid on Android.
[16:33] <lazyPower> that way anything you put on your DO instance is encrypted as well. its more of a safeguard in case someone goes spelunking on your instance.
[16:33] <tedg> You still have to pay, but it's OSS>
[16:33] <lazyPower> nice! There's a disqus on my blog, would you mind dropping that int eh comment feed for future users that sumble across the post?
[16:34] <lazyPower> stupid template has a bug where disquss doesn't always load, you may have to reload the article to get it to show :(  I'll eventually get around to fixing that...
[16:34] <tedg> Ah, k
[16:35] <lazyPower> thanks for the feedback though tedg - Glad to hear it's helping someone.
[16:36] <tedg> Hmm, seems you can't post to Disqus with OpenID?
[17:06] <cory_fu> I'm trying to install cobzr from launchpad, and the instructions on http://labix.org/cobzr just say to do `go install launchpad.net/cobzr` but I get a "cannot find package" error.
[17:06] <cory_fu> I'm assuming there's a missing step in there (e.g., go get)?
[17:08] <cory_fu> Why do so many instructions involving go seem to be missing steps?  (`go get launchpad.net/cobzr ; go install launchpad.net/cobzr` worked)
[17:24] <themonk> how to restart a unit?
[17:30] <dpb1> hi marcoceppi: any chance we could kick #1259630 a bit now?  I think we would like it to move forward.
[17:30] <_mup_> Bug #1259630: add storage subordinate charm <landscape> <Juju Charms Collection:Fix Committed by davidpbritton> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259630>
[17:30] <marcoceppi> dpb1: it's on the list for this week
[17:31] <dpb1> marcoceppi: great, thanks!
[17:31] <marcoceppi> expect a proper review/response either tonight or tomorrow
[17:31] <dpb1> look forward it it. :0
[17:31] <dpb1> :)
[17:44] <themonk> marcoceppi: how do i restart a pending unit?
[17:46] <marcoceppi> themonk: what version of juju?
[17:57] <cory_fu> Man.  Adding bzr-pager, bzrtools (for cdiff), aliasing bzr diff -> bzr cdiff, and creating a ~/.colordiffrc makes bzr much nicer to work with
[18:01] <themonk> marcoceppi: juju version is 1.18.2-precise-amd64
[18:04] <themonk> marcoceppi: and why lxc local container deployment is too slow?
[18:09] <marcoceppi> themonk: odds are something is stuck during deployment
[18:09] <marcoceppi> themonk: which is why you see it in pending
[18:10] <marcoceppi> themonk: can you run `sudo lxc-ls --fancy` and report back what is listed?
[18:13] <themonk> marcoceppi: output is themonk-local-machine-1  RUNNING  <IP_ADDRESS>  -     YES
[18:17] <marcoceppi> themonk: no other machines listed?
[18:19] <themonk> marcoceppi: no
[19:07] <cory_fu> jose: You around?
[19:07] <jose> cory_fu: I am always around ;)
[19:07] <cory_fu> :)
[19:08] <cory_fu> I was wondering if you got my message last night regarding the tracks charm?  My IRC client sometimes tells me I'm connected when I'm not
[19:08] <jose> oh, the permissions one
[19:08] <jose> yeah, I did
[19:08] <jose> and ports <=1024 are root only, that one too
[19:09] <cory_fu> Yeah, so I don't think it will be feasible to use setcap, so I think our only choice is to just run it as root
[19:09] <cory_fu> :-/
[19:10] <jose> hey, what we can do is if the port is <1025, then run it as root
[19:10] <jose> and if port is >1023, run as tracks user
[19:11] <jose> adding a note to the README, of course
[19:11] <cory_fu> Yeah, that's a possibility, though it complicates the hooks.  Keep in mind that we need to handle the case of the user changing the port (i.e., we'll have to update the tracksapp.conf file in the config-changed hook)
[19:11] <jose> it actually does
[19:12] <jose> I think I can write this up while these owncloud tests are running
[19:12] <cory_fu> Well, it changes the port in the conf file, but we'd also have to add / remove the setuid line
[19:13] <cory_fu> Just another sed line, I suppose.  :)
[19:13] <jose> yep!
[19:13] <cory_fu> Awesome.  Well, I have to step away for a few minutes, but if there's anything I can do to help, let me know.
[19:14] <jose> sure thing
[19:14] <jose> I'll work on this and let you know when I have any results
[19:15] <cory_fu> Thanks!  :)
[19:20] <lazyPower> cory_fu: jose - please dont run the service as root
[19:20] <lazyPower> a) its against CS guidelines, and b) its a huge security hole
[19:20] <jose> lazyPower: then the quick workaround for me would be to only run it if port is >1024
[19:20] <jose> will do that
[19:21] <lazyPower> that's a far better option.
[19:22] <lazyPower> jose: i'd also mark that in the readme - that the service is intended to be run at scale - so if you want port 80, deploy it behind a reverse proxy.
[19:22] <jose> mhm, will do
[19:22] <lazyPower> you can co-locate the service, if the end user is concerned about machine consumption
[19:22] <jose> at this point the readme is *pretty* lightweight
[19:43] <astark> Hello.  I am trying to get around the fact that Maas / Juju do not seem to work well with i386 hardware.  I tried 'juju bootstrap --constraints arch=i386', but I get a response that suggests the only valid value is amd64.  Does anyone have any ideas?  Thanks.
[19:45] <jose> hey guys, has anyone seen this error while testing before? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7412268/
[19:46] <lazyPower> astark: i'm assuming this is in realtion to ensuring you're getting a 32bit machine?
[19:46] <lazyPower> *relation
[19:47] <lazyPower> jose: your test timed out during the deployment
[19:47] <jose> and I gave it 25 minutes!
[19:47] <lazyPower> well thats fun
[19:48] <lazyPower> maybe that's not what happened, but thats what it leads me to believe
[19:48] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: ^ amulet's being finicky it looks like. Any idea? 25 minutes is long enough to setup pretty much anything....
[19:49] <jose> I'm running it again just in case
[19:51] <astark> lazyPower:  I have about 9 boxes.  4 are amd64, the others are i386.  Maas knows the difference.  When I goto do a normal bootstrap, if it targets a 32 bit machine the bootstrap fails (due to always downloading amd64 juju tools), but if it picks a 64 bit machine bootstrapping happens successfully.  I then goto deploy openstack, and when deploying the services only the 64 machines ever move from 'pending' to 'started'.  I was trying initially with
[19:51] <astark>  1.18 and have been trying 1.19.1 with no success either.
[20:05] <jose> this time it showed the same signs after 2014-05-07 15:03:36  Adding relation relation-sentry:provides-owncloud_shared-fs-nfs_nfs <-> nfs:nfs
[20:07] <jose> oh and just gave the same errors I thinik
[20:14] <marcoceppi> jose: use --set-e and when it's done run juju status
[20:14] <jose> marcoceppi: like 'charm test -e ec2 tests/100-deploy --set-e'?
[20:15] <marcoceppi> that looks good
[20:15] <jose> ok
[20:16] <jose> running again
[20:29] <jose> it's been stuck in 2014-05-07 15:21:16 Config specifies num units for subordinate: owncloud-sentry for around 8m
[20:39] <marcoceppi> jose: it's going to time out
[20:39] <marcoceppi> jose: I think that one or more of your aws machines aren't being turned on
[20:39] <marcoceppi> provisioning errors, etc
[20:39] <jose> it did timeout
[20:40] <jose> oh, oh, deployment did complete
[20:40] <jose> but I have another error, let me pastebin
[20:40] <jose> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7412525/
[20:41] <jose> for some weird reason it's not able to connect to the machine
[20:55] <lazyPower> jose: is the service exposed?
[20:55] <jose> yes, it exposes both owncloud and haproxy
[20:56] <lazyPower> hmmm
[21:00] <lazyPower> I'm not sure man :(
[21:00] <lazyPower> it looks like its attempting to connect over ssl though
[21:00] <lazyPower> is port 443 active? run it with a --set-e flag so it doesn't tear down the env and you can poke around in it
[21:01] <lazyPower> also, ensure open-port 443 happens in the hook code when you enable ssl, otehrwise it wont open the port in the AWS security group.
[21:01] <lazyPower> which would explain why it cannot connect...
[21:03] <jose> oh, I did run it with that
[21:03] <jose> port 443 *should* be active
[21:03] <jose> yes, owncloud has 443 and 80 open
[21:03] <jose> haproxy, though, only has 80
[21:04] <jose> which *may* explain the error
[21:04] <jose> nope, it isn't that, because it's trying to connect to the owncloud address with a failure
[21:08] <lazyPower> Do you have a d.sentry.wait?
[21:10]  * jose checks
[21:11] <jose> I do not
[21:11] <jose> added; destroying env and rerunning
[21:34] <mhall119> jcastro: marcoceppi: ok guys, I have a charm that I want to submit to the charm store....what do I do?
[21:34] <marcoceppi> mhall119:
[21:35] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-store.html#submitting-a-new-charm
[21:35] <marcoceppi> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-store.html#submitting-a-new-charm
[21:35] <marcoceppi> dangit
[21:35] <jcastro> :)
[21:35] <mhall119> hah, jcastro wins
[21:35] <thumper> mhall119: oh hai
[21:35] <mhall119> hey thumper
[21:35] <thumper> mhall119: wanted to talk to you about deploying django apps with juju
[21:35] <thumper> mhall119: marcoceppi said you were the person to talk to
[21:35] <thumper> mhall119: my app is not open source (personal startup project)
[21:36] <thumper> mhall119: how do I get the app payload into the charm?
[21:37] <mhall119> marcoceppi: I've become "the person to talk to" about deploying django?
[21:37] <mhall119> that's not a good sign :)
[21:37] <mhall119> thumper: my django charms pull from bzr on launchpad
[21:37] <marcoceppi> mhall119: you're the only person I could think that does django stuff :)
[21:37] <thumper> mhall119: it is a great sign
[21:37] <mhall119> thumper: alternately you can put the files (or a tarball of the files) into your charm's ./files/ directory
[21:37]  * thumper sighs...
[21:38] <thumper> mhall119: this whole tarball thing is one thing I'm fixing this cycle
[21:38] <mhall119> alternately, you can put your files into cloud storage and configure your charm to pull from there
[21:38] <thumper> luckily text compresses well, right?
[21:38] <mhall119> I suppose
[21:38] <mhall119> thumper: easiest thing to do is to stop hating freedom so much and open source your code :-P
[21:39] <thumper> mhall119: haha
[21:39] <thumper> I don't hate freedom
[21:39] <thumper> I'm free to try and make some money :)
[21:39] <mhall119> thumper: I can help you with gunicorn, swift and a CDN though ;)
[21:40] <mhall119> thumper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7412775/ is my current test deployment
[21:41] <thumper> mhall119: what is go-pronto?
[21:41] <marcoceppi> thumper: maybe a subordainte charm that you don't release that has your ssh keys for pulling the source of your app that can plop it in the right place on the django charm/service?
[21:41] <mhall119> thumper: a new swift-backed CDN from bigkevmcd
[21:42] <mhall119> marcoceppi: is it possible to make a subordinate charm our of a django app?
[21:42] <thumper> marcoceppi: yeah, I've been thinking about the subordinate option
[21:42] <thumper> mhall119: why not?
[21:42] <thumper> I may poke around
[21:42] <mhall119> thumper: because I don't know enough juju
[21:42] <thumper> might need to make a config option in the main charm
[21:42] <thumper> so it doesn't try to deploy without the subordinate
[21:43] <mhall119> right now summit-website's charm is coded to setup swiftstorage, but having it a subordinate that you can add or not would make it more flexible
[21:43] <marcoceppi> mhall119: subordinates are like the glue and string that turn deployments from piles of rocks, to a mcguyver helicopter
[21:43] <thumper> marcoceppi: haha, classic
[21:44] <mhall119> so...maybe I'll wait on making that subordinate
[21:44] <thumper> marcoceppi: do we have docs on deploying local charms?
[21:44] <mhall119> charm proof tells me that my charm isn't ready to submit yet :(
[21:44] <mhall119> back to work I go
[21:44] <marcoceppi> thumper: we shure as hell should
[21:45] <marcoceppi> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-deploying.html#deploying-from-a-local-repository
[21:45] <thumper> ta
[21:46] <marcoceppi> haha shure, it's that time of the day when I need to just log off
[21:46] <thumper> marcoceppi: hmm... that doesn't actually tell the user what the local directory structure should look like
[21:46] <mhall119> marcoceppi: what category should a CDN service fall under?
[21:46] <marcoceppi> thumper: pull requests welcome, we cover it somewhere else in the doc now that I think about
[21:46] <marcoceppi> it
[21:46] <marcoceppi> mhall119: eh, we only have like 6
[21:46] <mhall119> marcoceppi: I have file-servers currently, but I don't konw if that's right
[21:47] <marcoceppi> misc or applications probably
[21:47] <marcoceppi> mhall119: that works
[21:47] <mhall119> does it?
[21:47] <marcoceppi> doesn't it?
[21:47] <marcoceppi> question aside, categories are arbitrary
[21:47] <marcoceppi> you could put it in both
[21:47] <marcoceppi> misc and file-servers
[21:47] <mhall119> ok
[21:49] <thumper> evilnickveitch: ping
[21:50] <thumper> evilnickveitch: docs on local repository structure?
[21:50] <jose> marcoceppi: I have got exceptions while running the tests but no results yet, that is normal and I should wait, right?
[21:51] <jose> I got the exception of a exception of a exception
[21:58] <thumper> rick_h_: help
[21:59] <thumper> rick_h_: can you deploy a local charm from the gui?
[21:59] <mhall119> submitted my first charm! https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1317281
[21:59] <_mup_> Bug #1317281: New Charm: go-pronto <Juju Charms Collection:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1317281>
[22:04] <jose> wohoo, congratulations mhall119!
[22:04] <marcoceppi> thumper: you can drag and drop a tarbal
[22:04] <marcoceppi> of a charm
[22:04] <jose> mhall119: I think that for a charm to be on trusty it needs to have tests... not 100% sure though
[22:05] <thumper> marcoceppi: oh.. ok...
[22:10] <jose> mhall119: and as I mentioned earlier, the details with the README:
[22:10] <rick_h_> thumper: huh?
[22:10] <rick_h_> thumper: drag/drop it on the canvas
[22:10] <thumper> rick_h_: does it handle zip files?
[22:10] <thumper> or just tarballs
[22:10] <jose> README has to be in Markdown and Contact Information is for the charm *and* upstream
[22:10] <rick_h_> thumper: just zips
[22:11] <thumper> oh, so just zip files
[22:11] <thumper> hmm..
[22:11] <rick_h_> thumper: yep, it's what juju upload supports. Does juju take tarballs?
[22:12] <mhall119> jose: what details were those again?
[22:12] <mhall119> also, how do you write tests for a charm?
[22:12] <jose> mhall119: <jose> README has to be in Markdown and Contact Information is for the charm *and* upstream
[22:12] <jose> `charm add tests` provides an autogenerated test suite
[22:12] <jose> they're written in python3 with the help of amulet
[22:12] <jose> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/tools-amulet.html has more info
[22:13] <mhall119> man, this is what happens, you let jcastro on your team and suddently *everything* has to be in Markdown
[22:13] <jose> haha
[22:14] <mhall119> jose: $ charm add tests
[22:14] <mhall119> Error: add is not a valid subcommand
[22:14] <marcoceppi> jose: mhall119 readme doesn't HAVE to be in Markdown, it just renders better when it is
[22:14] <marcoceppi> also, tests are still optional and may be changing in the future
[22:14] <marcoceppi> mhall119: install charm-tools from ppa:juju/stable
[22:14] <mhall119> why wasn't the README created for me in Markdown?
[22:14] <marcoceppi> the one in trusty is super outdated
[22:14] <mhall119> marcoceppi: trusty is 2 weeks old!
[22:14] <marcoceppi> mhall119: you're using anchinent version of charm-tools
[22:15] <marcoceppi> mhall119: it hasn't been sync'd since precise
[22:15] <mhall119> 2 weeks!
[22:15] <marcoceppi> mhall119: I missed the update window
[22:15] <mhall119> why not?
[22:15]  * jose proposes 100 charms for trusty
[22:15] <marcoceppi> jose: we don't have 100 charms with tests
[22:16] <jose> didn't you say tests are still optional?
[22:16] <mhall119> he said Markdown was optional
[22:16] <mhall119> oh, tests too
[22:16] <mhall119> missed that
[22:16] <marcoceppi> jose: not for trusty
[22:16] <jose> he was proposing for trusty, that's why I mentioned tests
[22:16] <marcoceppi> jose: but we're reworking what it means to be a charm test
[22:16] <jose> cool
[22:16] <marcoceppi> mhall119: so if you have unit tets for your charm, you're golden
[22:17] <mhall119> not much to test....
[22:17] <jose> on the other hand, azure is not behaving correctly and my test is stuck
[22:17]  * marcoceppi looks at the charm
[22:17] <marcoceppi> ooooo a bash charm
[22:17]  * jose loves bash charms
[22:18] <marcoceppi> heh, mhall119, I see what you mean
[22:19] <mhall119> marcoceppi: my summit charm will have more
[22:19] <marcoceppi> So, I'll review the charm, but there's a potential problem with it, it's going to be impossible to test with amulet because not all clouds provide swift, etc
[22:19] <marcoceppi> mhall119: sweet, I eagerly await that one
[22:19] <marcoceppi> don't ge me wrong, this is awesome
[22:20] <mhall119> ah, is that what amulet is used for? testing on different clouds?
[22:21] <mhall119> marcoceppi: you can *technically* run it in a cloud that doesn't use swift....as long as you point it to a cloud that does :)
[22:21] <mhall119> I'm running it on LXC, pointing to canonistack's swift
[22:22] <marcoceppi> mhall119: /sure/ but that means hard coding swift creds in to a test
[22:22] <mhall119> I'm guessing that's frowned upon
[22:22] <marcoceppi> mhall119: yeah, amulet and "charm tests" as they stand today are designed to do integration testing on charms and we run those across all our providers
[22:22] <marcoceppi> mhall119: typically
[22:22] <mhall119> ok, so do I need tests or will they just be pointless for this?
[22:22] <marcoceppi> it's not a blocker for the store, we'll do the review like normal and give you feedback
[22:23] <marcoceppi> we've never formalized charm tests being required, we've strongly recommended them for trusty but like I mentioned earlier the concept of what is a charm test may change int he near future
[22:23] <mhall119> I guess I should make swiftstorage a subordinate then, so I can submit summit-website charm to the store
[22:24] <marcoceppi> mhall119: is swiftstorage different than go-pronto?
[22:24] <evilnickveitch> thumper, it is covered in https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-writing.html, but it would be good to add to the deploy page too. I am thinking of adding a whole page about local charms actually, to cover fetching them too
[22:26] <mhall119> marcoceppi: yes
[22:26] <mhall119> swiftstorage is a Django app that makes it use swift for static files and uploaded media, rather that local files
[22:29] <marcoceppi> mhall119: ah, gotchya
[22:33] <jose> whoops, just on the 7th day of the month and already exceeded my free 2mil I/O requests for ec2 :P


[07:54] <tuxlion> good morning
[08:16] <tuxlion> good morning pavlushka
[08:16] <pavlushka> Hello tuxlion
[08:16] <pavlushka> and morning
[08:18] <pavlushka> bbl
[11:20] <fossfreedom> mpmc, thanks for heads up!


[10:57] <andybalaam> Hi all, the download links at the top of http://lubuntu.net/ are to version 14.04.  Is this deliberate?  If not, what would be the best way to report it or submit a change request?
[11:05] <krytarik> andybalaam: LP bug 1608306.
[11:07] <andybalaam> krytarik, thanks
[14:48] <Tims_Tech> hi
[14:49] <Tims_Tech> lubuntu runs blazing fast on an 7 year old laptop (single core 2,2 ghz processor with 3GB of RAM) good job! and thanks
[16:14] <poopBot> where can i add layout for other languing keyboard
[16:16] <poopBot> how to add kayboard layout so i can wirte  cirilic
[16:18] <poopBot> anyone here
[16:18] <poopBot> i cant find an menu to add kayboard layout
[16:19] <poopBot> wtf anyone here
[16:19] <poopBot> ?
[16:54] <StumpDumb> Hello, I'm interested in using two monitors with a netbook. I used Arandr and it works great But I can't get it to stay. How do I execute  the .sh file on startup?
[17:00] <krytarik> StumpDumb: Just add it to your autostart apps.
[17:01] <wxl> krytarik: or better yet, make it start with lightdm http://askubuntu.com/a/69501
[17:02] <StumpDumb> I tried to but I think its locked?
[17:03] <wxl> StumpDumb: "it?"
[17:03] <StumpDumb> The startup folder
[17:03] <wxl> StumpDumb: why would you think it's locked?
[17:06] <StumpDumb> it gives me an error, and doesn't copy
[17:06] <wxl> StumpDumb: what error?
[17:08] <krytarik> StumpDumb: Why not just use the GUI for this?
[17:09] <StumpDumb> where is autostart located?
[17:12] <wxl> StumpDumb: http://askubuntu.com/questions/81383/how-can-i-add-new-autostart-programs-in-lubuntu
[17:13] <wxl> that also tells you how do to it graphically
[17:13] <StumpDumb> excellent that's whud I was lookin for
[17:30] <StumpDumb> well it runs the Arandr but it does not execute the .sh file?
[17:31] <wxl> StumpDumb: again, specifics matter here
[17:31] <StumpDumb> gonna try something else...letcha no ina min
[17:41] <StumpDumb> another chart said to put it in the .xsessionrc file but I can't find the file?
[17:41] <wxl> StumpDumb: doesn't exist by default afaik
[17:43] <StumpDumb> yep gotcha. I just hate starting all over. so I will
[17:44] <StumpDumb> I want to run dual monitors in Lubuntu, the Arandr works great But
[17:44] <StumpDumb> it does Not run at startup. So how do I run the .sh file at startup?
[17:45] <StumpDumb> When I put Arandr in the startup folder it runs Arandr but it does Not execute the .sh file I've created.
[17:46] <StumpDumb> so running it in the startup folder does very little good.
[17:46] <wxl> StumpDumb: did you consider that perhaps there's something wrong with the .sh file?
[17:49] <StumpDumb> I assoc the .sh with Arandr and when I double click it it asks "Execute, Execute in Term, Open, and Cancel" wen I Execute it it works Great
[17:49] <StumpDumb> so how do I get the .sh file to automatically execute at startup.
[17:50] <wxl> you said that when you run arandr in the startup folder it works?
[17:51] <StumpDumb> it opens the Arandr app....then you must configure the monitors. The .sh is a pre-configured layout and res
[17:51] <wxl> ok so we have determined that the startup works fine
[17:51] <wxl> do i assume this is a .desktop file?
[17:52] <StumpDumb> The .sh file is on the desktop, yes
[17:53] <StumpDumb> It appears to be a standard text file with some parameters
[17:53] <wxl> StumpDumb: why don't you pastebin the file listing of where you have arandr and/or the script (ls -al would be best, so we can see permissions and ownership) as well as the content of the script itself
[17:58] <StumpDumb> Ok posted 'Arandr' enjoy
[17:58] <wxl> where?
[17:58] <StumpDumb> pastebin
[17:59] <StumpDumb> The next two lines are from the .sh file
[17:59] <StumpDumb> #!/bin/sh
[17:59] <wxl> If you coudl send a link, that would be great.
[17:59] <StumpDumb> xrandr --output VIRTUAL1 --off --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --pos 0x0 --rotate normal --output VGA1 --mode 1440x900 --pos 1024x0 --rotate normal
[17:59] <StumpDumb> BSvY8wRG
[18:01] <wxl> i see nothing there that shows me the location of the arandr file or the script
[18:01] <morf_> ~/.screenresolutions or something
[18:05] <StumpDumb> one moment please
[18:06] <StumpDumb> Pastebin    fsfETsEj
[18:07] <wxl> links are really helpful in the future
[18:07] <StumpDumb> working on two sep computers....new to Lubuntu
[18:07] <wxl> yeah and i'm helping you while actually doing work, too :)
[18:08] <wxl> so i take it you got that arandr file working by using the gui?
[18:09] <StumpDumb> yes, you can open the Default.sh file and hit the check mark to run it
[18:09] <StumpDumb> works Great
[18:09] <wxl> yeah the gui only understands desktop files
[18:10] <wxl> if you would put that .sh file in the autostart it would probably run just fine
[18:11] <wxl> or if you edit the arandr desktop file so it includes all your switches
[18:12] <StumpDumb> Nope. I was told by another char to put it in the .sessionrc I will mess with this
[18:13] <StumpDumb> rebooting other puter now
[18:15] <StumpDumb> Worked Great!
[18:16] <StumpDumb> FYI-so I just copied the .sh file into the .sessionrc file that I created in my home dir...worked great
[18:17] <StumpDumb> Thanks 4 ur help....now back to work (for both of us) :-(
[21:54] <feneco> hi
[21:55] <feneco> i used command openbox --replace, now when I close the process (ctrl+c) I can't move windows or resize them
[21:55] <feneco> any help?
[21:57] <wxl> feneco: openbox --replace & ?
[21:57] <feneco> wxl: that would work, but the windows lose their theming
[21:57] <feneco> isn't there a way to reset it somehow?
[21:57] <feneco> (tried reset but didn't work)
[21:58] <feneco> --reset i mean
[21:58] <wxl> feneco: have you tried logging out and back in?
[22:01] <lynorian> I would rather have functioning window management and broken theming as you can get things done it would just look ugly
[22:03] <feneco> wxl: worked
[22:03] <feneco> used lxsession from terminal logged back-in
[22:58] <AciD`> hi
[22:59] <AciD`> what's the quickest way to enable compositing under lubuntu?
[22:59] <wxl> AciD`: compton
[23:00] <AciD`> thank you wxl, I'll investigate on this
[23:13] <AciD`> what's the official way to install that?
[23:13] <AciD`> I found a ppa (richardgv), but it hasn't been updated for 92 weeks :o
[23:14] <wxl> um
[23:14] <wxl> !info compton
[23:14] <wxl> why ppa it when it's already in the repos?
[23:15] <AciD`> oh it is?
[23:15] <AciD`> :x
[23:15] <AciD`> my bad
[23:15] <wxl> what version of lubuntu you have AciD` ?
[23:15] <wxl> lsb_release -a
[23:17] <AciD`> 16.04.1
[23:17] <AciD`> I just installed it
[23:17] <wxl> yep then it's there for sure
[23:17] <AciD`> ok, I just installed it, do I need to fiddle in config file to activate it on startup?
[23:17] <wxl> i believe you do
[23:18] <AciD`> (like it's said in this very very old article : http://lubuntu.me/tip-compton/)
[23:18] <wxl> yeah that's probably still accurate
[23:18] <AciD`> ok
[23:18] <wxl> AciD`: i'd personally put that in the autostart in ~/.config
[23:19] <wxl> system folders tend to get overwritten on upgrades
[23:22] <AciD`> nice, it works well
[23:22] <AciD`> you mean in ~/.config/autostart?
[23:22] <wxl> i think it's ~/.config/lxsession/autostart
[23:22] <wxl> let me see if i have a vm handy
[23:23] <AciD`> ok
[23:23] <wxl> you could just `find ~/.config -type d -name autostart`
[23:23] <AciD`> it's in/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[23:23] <wxl> there you go
[23:23] <AciD`> thank you again wxl
[23:23] <wxl> np


[20:35] <paultag> gilbert: hey dude, around?
[22:51] <Unit193> BiosElement: Have you by chance ever used libcherokee-mod-streaming ? :P