[20:08] <yacc_> user__, you are in an English language channel.
[20:08] <lokito-m> whats hapend?
[20:09] <OerHeks> yacc if that works, please reply on that post so it can be set Solved :-)
[20:09] <user__> oye viejo quiero que ubuntu reproduzca un sonido cuando desconecto o conecte algún dispositivo
[20:09] <ATU> any bloggers here ?
[20:09] <user__> tengo la 13.10
[20:09] <ATU> do you guys think we can make money blogging ?
[20:10] <OerHeks> user__, english only please
[20:10] <user__> he buscado en foros y nada de nada
[20:10] <jhutchins> ATU: Not on topic, this is for ubuntu support only.
[20:10] <DJones> !es | user__
[20:10] <OerHeks> ATU, this is ubuntu support, join #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[20:10] <user__> puedes ayudarme?
[20:10] <lokito-m> yes
[20:11] <user__> te copio
[20:11] <lokito-m> anithing free
[20:11] <ATU> oh ok
[20:11] <Cigrits> que
[20:11] <user__> que?
[20:11] <Cigrits> que?
[20:11] <user__> oye lokito me ayudas?
[20:11] <lokito-m> speak spanish!!!
[20:11] <robierob> guys i have a question... what programs/ coding is universal to all computer platforms?
[20:12] <gordonjcp> robierob: none, really
[20:12] <user__> escribe en español
[20:12] <robierob> mac / linux / windows?
[20:12] <lokito-m> i dont now
[20:12] <richard_> hi
[20:12] <gordonjcp> !es | user__
[20:12] <gordonjcp> robierob: in theory Java is
[20:12] <gordonjcp> Java sucks equally badly on all platforms
[20:12] <robierob> could browsers or html qualify?
[20:12] <robierob> java
[20:12] <gordonjcp> robierob: ooh, javascript I suppose
[20:12] <DJones> !es | user__ This channel is English only,
[20:12] <Pici> robierob: This is not a question for #ubuntu, try #ubuntu-offtopic or ##programming.
[20:13] <user__> alguien que escriba en español y me ayude con ubuntu por favor
[20:14] <robierob> thank you <gordonjcp>
[20:14] <Cigrits> haha
[20:17] <daniela> hi
[20:17] <lokito-m> hi daniela
[20:18] <daniela> ols pajeros
[20:19] <k1l_> !es | daniela
[20:19] <daniela> ols jiles
[20:20] <daniela> chau
[20:20] <daniela> huele pedos
[20:23] <jasonp> does anyone know of a process monitor that shows a per-process running average of cpu time (from when the monitor was started or reset)? like the windows 7/8 "resource monitor" app
[20:24] <azamat> hey guys, need your help.
[20:24] <azamat> Got ubuntu 13.10 on my VPS server and have vsFTPd set up.
[20:24] <azamat> But PASV command is not working, when I try to connect from my machine.
[20:24] <azamat> I tried many kind of fixes provided online, but non of them fixed it.
[20:24] <azamat> Config file already has pasv_enable, min port, max port and I have iptables rules for those ports.
[20:24] <FloodBot1> azamat: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:24] <azamat> Please help.
[20:25] <Gotango> jasonp type top in terminal
[20:25] <azamat> hey guys, need your help. Got ubuntu 13.10 on my VPS server and have vsFTPd set up. But PASV command is not working, when I try to connect from my machine. I tried many kind of fixes provided online, but non of them fixed it. Config file already has pasv_enable, min port, max port and I have iptables rules for those ports. Please help.
[20:25] <gordonjcp> azamat: don't use ftp
[20:26] <azamat> what do you mean?
[20:26] <gordonjcp> azamat: it's horribly insecure
[20:26] <gordonjcp> azamat: you've just sent your password in plaintext over the Internet
[20:26] <jasonp> Gotango, top is opening htop, whiich is what i usually use. it shows either lifetime total cpu usage or instantaneous cpu usage. where's running average?
[20:26] <lokito-m> who is frre
[20:26] <Karmahacker> Hi everyone, who can help with fail2ban  willing to pay
[20:26] <gordonjcp> azamat: and you've just set up a bit of software that lets anyone run arbitrary software as root on your machine without authentication
[20:27] <gordonjcp> azamat: ftp is astonishingly retarded
[20:27] <gordonjcp> azamat: it needs to go away, now
[20:27] <shapow> Karmahacker: Hi again!
[20:27] <Karmahacker> shapow  :)
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> !anyone | Karmahacker best to actually describe what the problem is
[20:27] <k1l_> !away > dhruvasagar_away
[20:27] <azamat> gordonjcp , sorry, but I am not dumb person.  Are you hi or what?
[20:27] <gordonjcp> !attitude | azamat
[20:27] <k1l_> Karmahacker: no need to pa, just state the question and the community will try to help
[20:27] <gordonjcp> azamat: use sftp
[20:27] <Gotango> jasonp System Monitor
[20:28] <lokito-m> what is asmad
[20:28] <Karmahacker> shapow hi, i cant create the rule that will work for me^ i not that good with regex
[20:28] <shapow> Karmahacker: Let me look into your issue again
[20:28] <azamat> I already use SSH, but I need FTP for some reason
[20:28] <gordonjcp> azamat: every sane ftp client supports sftp, and all you need for it is plain old ssh
[20:28] <ice9> cinnamon crashes on 13.10
[20:28] <azamat> just need FTP, I already have SSH/SFTP
[20:28] <rallevondalle> Merry Friday Ubuntu-guru's :)
[20:28] <jasonp> Gotango, again, that shows instantaneous usage per process, not running average, unless you know some secret i don't
[20:28] <gordonjcp> azamat: what do you need ftp for?
[20:29] <shapow> Karmahacker: Not a problem, lets see what can be done. Iḿ researching your issue atm
[20:29] <gordonjcp> azamat: are you a time traveller, needing to upload files from the 1980s?
[20:29] <rallevondalle> I've been struggling for two days to get my computer (which used to be a hackintosh system) switched over to Ubuntu Desktop 12.04 running as a NAS.
[20:29] <lokito-m> i can start with asmad
[20:29] <azamat> gordonjcp, we have private VPS server, which world does not know about
[20:29] <rallevondalle> Having trouble with permissions and mounting of my disks, created in OS X 10.8.5
[20:29] <azamat> we use it in team
[20:29] <gordonjcp> azamat: is it on the public-facing internet?
[20:30] <azamat> gordonjcp, could you just keep calm if you can't help with the problem?
[20:30] <gordonjcp> !attitude | azamat
[20:30] <azamat> maybe someone else will
[20:30] <gordonjcp> azamat: don't use ftp
[20:30] <ilhami> Congratulations guys!
[20:31] <azamat> gordonjcp, I am not asking you what to use
[20:31] <vanishing> ^he can use whatever he want
[20:31] <ilhami> you have the channel with most users. :)
[20:31] <gordonjcp> he could also post his admin username and password on reddit
[20:31] <gordonjcp> doesn't mean it's a good idea
[20:31] <gordonjcp> it'll have about the same effect
[20:31] <azamat> where did you see me posting pass?
[20:31] <Gotango> jasonp no secrets here. Try looking in synaptics. I dont care much about cpu average
[20:31] <gordonjcp> azamat: you're setting up ftp, right?
[20:31] <vanishing> gordonjcp: use ftp=/=post username and password
[20:32] <gordonjcp> azamat: ftp requires you to send your password as cleartext
[20:32] <rallevondalle> Can anyone help me change permissions of a disk and partitions created on OS X in Ubuntu? :)
[20:32] <gordonjcp> azamat: it's trivial to snoop
[20:32] <k1l_> gordonjcp: i think we made clear that ftp is insecure. but if the user knows that its his decision
[20:32] <azamat> gordonjcp, we use VPN, which has encypted connection. Could you please stop teaching me on security?
[20:32] <rallevondalle> I've tried chwon but the discs are not writeable. I have installed hfsprogs and hfsutil and tried mounting it with hfsplus but it didn't function properly
[20:33] <Karmahacker> shapow i have the log string like that  "** (vino-server:15192): WARNING **: VNC authentication failure from '<IP_ADDRESS>.vgccl.net'"
[20:33] <vanishing> rallevondalle: usually  you'd change permission of the mount point, no?
[20:33] <vanishing> not the device itself
[20:33] <gordonjcp> azamat: okay, then getting back to your other problem
[20:33] <azamat> if you are so clever gordonjpc, go teach all those shared hosting giants who provide FTP access out of the box.
[20:34] <rallevondalle> vanishing, probably :) How does one go about that? Thanks man
[20:34] <gordonjcp> azamat: oh don't get me started
[20:34] <gordonjcp> azamat: they are responsible for all the r00ted servers used to send spam etc
[20:34] <k1l_> azamat: drop that attitude. your behaviour is not appropriate, too, in here
[20:34] <gordonjcp> azamat: so you want to get PASV working
[20:34] <azamat> yes
[20:34] <Karmahacker> i create   vnc.conf   with     " failregex = VNC authentication failure from <HOST> "
[20:34] <gordonjcp> azamat: one of your machines will *have* to be completely un-firewalled
[20:34] <Aspel> Ahoy, I'm new to all this stuff and I can't seem to get my wireless to work. I've got the little icon here http://i.imgur.com/qx5GSj1.png?1?3884 but it doesn't show my wireless. I actually went in and added it to the VPN connections, but it doesn't show up. I would take a screenshot of that specifically, but I can't seem to screenshot my menu.
[20:35] <azamat> you mean the server?
[20:35] <gordonjcp> not unfirewalled
[20:35] <gordonjcp> not NATted
[20:35] <Aspel> I've also tried pressing the wireless card button, but I'm assuming that's like prntscrn and the Windows button and just doesn't work on linux.
[20:35] <hitsujiTMO> Aspel: start off with opening the terminal and providing us with the output of: cat /etc/issue
[20:35] <DrGrov> Evening
[20:36] <gordonjcp> azamat: the server generates some randomish port for the passive connection
[20:36] <azamat> I know
[20:36] <DrGrov> Trying here to get 12.04 LTS 32-bit for my father. I wonder, where do I find the correct md5sum for the image?
[20:36] <vanishing> Aspel: to take a screenshot when you are in a menu, use scrot with timer :)
[20:36] <k1l_> !md5sum
[20:36] <gordonjcp> azamat: so are all the ports accessible to the client?
[20:36] <Aspel> Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[20:36] <gordonjcp> azamat: if you're working over a VPN, chances are it behaves a bit like it's behind NAT
[20:36] <Aspel> Can I set scrot up to work on hitting the print screen button?
[20:36] <azamat> im my case, I put min 10100 and max is 10190
[20:37] <k1l_> DrGrov: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[20:37] <hitsujiTMO> Aspel: next pastebin the output: lspci -knn
[20:37] <gordonjcp> azamat: right
[20:37] <gordonjcp> azamat: so can you actually connect from the client to the server on those ports?
[20:37] <azamat> I am not sure on that, but I think no
[20:37] <Aspel> http://privatepaste.com/85df428cd5
[20:37] <gordonjcp> azamat: you could stop the sftp server and say "nc -l -p 10100" one the server
[20:37] <gordonjcp> and "nc <server> 10100" on the client
[20:38] <vanishing> Aspel: you can open up a terminal, type scrot -d 5
[20:38] <vanishing> that will take a screenshot in 5 secs
[20:38] <DrGrov> k1l_: Thank you, found it. I wonder though, should 12.04 LTS run "well" on older hardware? Talking about something like a Pentium 4 with about 512MB RAM, approximately like that.
[20:38] <k1l_> DrGrov: you should stick with Lubuntu then
[20:38] <DrGrov> k1l_: My father's only requirement is to have LibreOffice for writing.
[20:38] <gordonjcp> azamat: at that point you've set something up to listen on a port, and tried to connect to it, and if it doesn't work then you can start looking at if they're firewalled
[20:38] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: stick more RAM in
[20:38] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: actually, P4?
[20:39] <azamat> got it, checking. thanks
[20:39] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: throw it out, buy a nice new i3
[20:39] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Yes, a P4 IIRC. Should work well somehow. LibreOffice is a must though.
[20:39] <rallevondalle> vanishing, I'm trying to put the right string into my fstab, is something like this correct:
[20:39] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: in about six months the difference in electricity costs will have paid for the new computer
[20:39] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: I speak from experience here
[20:39] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Sorry but not interested at the moment in debating my father's preferences :)
[20:40] <hitsujiTMO> !bcm | Aspel have a read of this
[20:40] <Aspel> Woah, buzzing
[20:40] <DrGrov> Could I get LibreOffice to work in Lubuntu?
[20:40] <vanishing> rallevondalle: yes?
[20:40] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: I do understand what you mean but unfortunately it is a money question at the moment.
[20:40] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: should do, but Libreoffice needs quite a bit of memory
[20:41] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: stick as much RAM as you can in the P4
[20:41] <rallevondalle> vanadis, sorry, sent it prematurely :)
[20:41] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Yes, unfortunately it requires much mem :( But GOffice should do the job I hope?
[20:41] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: I think the P4 runs XP well, has 1GB or 512MB. Not sure anymore, have not checked the inside :)
[20:41] <gordonjcp> 1GB ought to be enough
[20:41] <tbo> unetbootin sucks, at least when you use it on OSX and try the USB stick on an PC :(
[20:41] <gordonjcp> Xubuntu or Lubuntu ought to be okay on it
[20:42] <gordonjcp> if you've got 1GB go for Xubuntu, it's far less rage-inducing than Lubuntu
[20:42] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Which is preffered of those two in your opinion? Xubuntu probably?
[20:42] <gordonjcp> tbo: why on earth would you use unetbootin, when you've got dd?
[20:42] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Just thought that so
[20:43] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Just thought that a minimum requirement is to do decent word processing like MS Word. That is his only requirement, and some occasional mail and browsing.
[20:43] <k1l_> DrGrov: xfce is not that lightweight anymore. i would try Lubuntu tbh
[20:43] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: that'll be fine then
[20:43] <tbo> gordonjcp: don't ask good questions
[20:44] <DrGrov> k1l_: Lubuntu it is then.
[20:44] <gordonjcp> tbo: I've never successfully used unetbootin to make a bootable USB stick
[20:44] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Glad to hear. He just needed a switch from Windows since the specs on the machine are a bit old to keep it running at optimal speeds.
[20:44] <DrGrov> One question though, he might have a virus or two on his computer.
[20:44] <tbo> gordonjcp: I did, but not on OSX
[20:44] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: also XP is dying in a few weeks
[20:45] <k1l_> easiest way is to dd a *buntu image to a usb stick, imho :)
[20:45] <gordonjcp> yup
[20:45] <gordonjcp> less to go wrong
[20:45] <DrGrov> I thought to get a backup of his documents, check viruses first of course and then just copy from the external drive the stuff "back" to his new.
[20:45] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: you can scan for viruses on Linux
[20:45] <rallevondalle> vanishing, UUID="040632d2-4fcb-3a78-9db1-9ac481becdea /media/OSXBOX hfsplus auto
[20:45] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: that's only really more useful on servers
[20:45] <vanishing> k1l_: isn't there a create bootable usb stick tool in 13.10 now?
[20:45] <tbo> I tried Ubuntu on my old eeePC but I think it too much for the old machine, so I will try Lubuntu now
[20:45] <vanishing> gui one i think
[20:45] <DrGrov> Should I have to recheck everything, documents and such when I get his stuff on Lubuntu then?
[20:45] <gordonjcp> tbo: 701?
[20:45] <suess> i used unetbootin for xubuntu no problem :)
[20:45] <tbo> gordonjcp: 1000H
[20:45] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: no, it'll be fine
[20:45] <k1l_> vanishing: there is the usb-creator thing, yes.
[20:46] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: you won't need to bother after you get rid of XP ;-)
[20:46] <vanishing> yea, why not just use that :)
[20:46] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Okay, then I just copy the stuff over from his old computer and install Lubuntu over and copy back his stuff :)
[20:46] <tbo> gordonjcp: Ubuntu 13.10 works fine but it is slow I think
[20:46] <vanishing> rallevondalle: missing quotes?
[20:46] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: got a spare hard disk?
[20:46] <vanishing> rallevondalle: actually, you don't need quotes
[20:46] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: So there is no threats regarding documents, pictures and such?
[20:46] <rallevondalle> ok
[20:47] <rallevondalle> how do I reinitialize fstab ?
[20:47] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: easiest thing of all, is to stick another drive in, install Ubuntu onto that, and then copy off the XP drive and stick that in a safe place, just in case
[20:47] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Yes, I got a 320GB 2,5" in a USB holder so I can easily transport it and perfect for backup needs like this.
[20:47] <gordonjcp> how big is the drive that XP is on?
[20:47] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Probably 60 or 80GB IIRC
[20:47] <tbo> I'm currently seeding the lubuntu iso image
[20:47] <vanishing> rallevondalle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[20:47] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: I could of course do it while on live.
[20:47] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: more along the lines of:  UUID="040632d2-4fcb-3a78-9db1-9ac481becdea /media/OSXBOX hfsplus defaults 0 0
[20:47] <vanishing> rallevondalle: i think this will have you
[20:47] <rallevondalle> vanadis, OFC :)
[20:48] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: sorry, more along the lines of:  UUID=040632d2-4fcb-3a78-9db1-9ac481becdea /media/OSXBOX hfsplus defaults 0 0
[20:48] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, thanks, I'll try it
[20:48] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, what about auto-mounting?
[20:48] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: second one. first has a char mistake
[20:48] <vanishing> it should automount if you have the entry in fstab i think
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: what do you mean by auto mounting exactly?
[20:49] <rallevondalle> Mounting at startup, sorry :)
[20:49] <vanishing> rallevondalle: in that page i gave you, it says
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: anything in fstab should automount by default. (hence the defaults option).
[20:49] <vanishing> auto - The filesystem can be mounted automatically (at bootup, or when mount is passed the -a option). This is really unnecessary as this is the default action of mount -a anyway.
[20:50] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: I could do it while on the live session before I install? The copying of the drive to the external?
[20:50] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: you could
[20:50] <gordonjcp> it might go a bit quicker, actually
[20:51] <rallevondalle> crud
[20:51] <rallevondalle> vanishing, mount: warning: /media/OSXBOX seems to be mounted read-only ?
[20:51] <jhutchins> vanishing: Actually, -a mounts all available filesystem whether they're marked "auto" or not.
[20:51] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Okay, downloading Lubuntu now then to see what gives. I wonder though, am I very restricted with Lubuntu when setting it up according to my father's preferences=
[20:51] <DrGrov> *?
[20:51] <vanishing> cd to /media and ls -lrt
[20:51] <vanishing> the permission of OSXBOX need to be changed
[20:52] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: to mount hfsplus as rw you need to disable journalling on the file system in osx
[20:52] <vanishing> jhutchins: hmm...i see, thanks
[20:52] <rallevondalle> drwxrwxr-x 1   99      99   33 Oct  3 16:59 21f868f2-1641-3c85-a797-64861a1de7c7
[20:52] <rallevondalle> drwxrwxr-x 1  501 dialout   27 Jan  9 03:14 OSXBOX
[20:52] <rallevondalle> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    4096 Jan 10 21:16 BACKUP
[20:52] <sweb> sudo fc-update -fv ... command not found ubuntu 13.04
[20:52] <sweb> how can i reset my font cache ?
[20:53] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, hmm, so back into OS X, then disable journaling and then back to Ubuntu?
[20:53] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: 13.10 is the preferred for Lubuntu or should I grab 12.04 LTS?
[20:54] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: yes, the default for hsfplus may still be ro, but you just have to add rw option to the fstab line in that case
[20:54] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: I'd go with LTS for this
[20:54] <rallevondalle> ok, I'll try and then sudo mount -a :)
[20:54] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Great, how about this PAE or mini ISO or what I can choose from?
[20:55] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[20:55] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, so "UUID=040632d2-4fcb-3a78-9db1-9ac481becdea /media/OSXBOX   hfsplus defaults,rw 0 0"
[20:55] <vanishing> without quotes ^
[20:55] <vanishing> also http://superuser.com/questions/84446/how-to-mount-a-hfs-partition-in-ubuntu-as-read-write
[20:55] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: if you want to just try it you can: sudo mount -o remount,rw /media/OSXBOX
[20:56] <happyface___> happyface: sup!
[20:56] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: but otherwise yes that the correct fstab line to force rw
[20:56] <rallevondalle> it mounted now, but as ro - I haven't disabled journaling though, so it's probably that?
[20:56] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: yup
[20:57] <m_tadeu> hi...I need to make a video using some album photos....which tool you guys recommend?
[20:57] <rallevondalle> hmm, sudo mount -o remount,rw /media/OSXBOX
[20:57] <rallevondalle> mount: /media/OSXBOX not mounted or bad option
[20:58] <JoshStrobl> m_tadeu: Pitivi or OpenShot
[20:58] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Figured it out, sorry for mixing it up with a minimal install.
[20:58] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: "rw" might be a bad option since the journal is still in place
[20:58] <rallevondalle> Ok, I'll reboot, disable journaling and then return :) Thanks guys !
[20:59] <m_tadeu> JoshStrobl: will try those...thanx
[20:59] <JoshStrobl> m_tadeu: No problem =)
[21:01] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Okay, I am burning it now. Thank you for the kind help. I will do the XP backup on the live Lubuntu session and just install it afterwards. Big thank you :)
[21:08] <rallevondalle> okay, journaling disabled. Discs are mounted, but still ro
[21:08] <rallevondalle> no errors on mounting
[21:08] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: please pastebin output of: mount
[21:09] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: or even just: mount | grep OSX
[21:09] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, how do I get the output of mount?
[21:09] <vanishing> simply type mount in a terminal will do
[21:09] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: type mount in the terminal
[21:10] <DrGrov> One minor thing I forgot to ask. My father has a Canon printer with scanning capability. Can that easily be configured in Lubuntu 12.04 ?
[21:10] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, haha, OFC! /dev/sdb3 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[21:10] <rallevondalle> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[21:10] <rallevondalle> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[21:10] <rallevondalle> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[21:10] <rallevondalle> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[21:10] <rallevondalle> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[21:10] <FloodBot1> rallevondalle: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:10] <vanishing> DrGrov: it really depends on which model it is :D
[21:10] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: for the full output use paste.ubuntu.com
[21:11] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: or just paste the single line pertaining to the OSX mount
[21:11] <DrGrov> vanishing: Okay, it is a new model. Can not remember the exact model number.
[21:11] <DrGrov> vanishing: It is from 2013.
[21:11] <rallevondalle> /dev/sdb2 on /media/OSXBOX type hfsplus (rw)
[21:11] <vanishing> my printer was just supported recently, it is a 1-2 year model i think
[21:11] <vanishing> when you have a chance, you can check it on cups wiki page
[21:12] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: so it is mounted as rw now. so its file permissions that are preventing you from writing.
[21:12] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, wehoo :)
[21:12] <vanishing> ls -lrt /media :D
[21:12] <DrGrov> I will take that problem once I see if it is a problem or not.
[21:12] <vanishing> actually
[21:12] <DrGrov> Thanks though, be back perhaps later :)
[21:12] <vanishing> ls -lrt /media | grep OSXBOX
[21:12] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: you must remember that osx uses the same permission system as linux.
[21:12] <rallevondalle> drwxrwxr-x 1   99      99   33 Oct  3 16:59 21f868f2-1641-3c85-a797-64861a1de7c7
[21:12] <rallevondalle> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    4096 Jan 10 21:16 BACKUP
[21:12] <rallevondalle> drwxrwxr-x 1  501 dialout   25 Jan 10 22:03 OSXBOX
[21:12] <rallevondalle> drwxrwxr-x 1   99      99   33 Jan 10 22:04 ebd01dca-8111-3c93-b9f1-0170f74f911c
[21:12] <FloodBot1> rallevondalle: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:13] <vanishing> damn...
[21:13] <rallevondalle> ?
[21:13] <rallevondalle> :)
[21:13] <vanishing> dont paste multiple lines of output in here, use pastebin
[21:13] <vanishing> or use the second command I gave you :)
[21:13] <rallevondalle> I guess I need to read up on the whole permissions thing :)
[21:13] <rallevondalle> ah, the grep one. Sure. Sorry !
[21:13] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: be careful what you do with the file permissions as changing any permissions will effect OSX too
[21:14] <vanishing> is your username dialout?
[21:14] <rallevondalle> vanishing, nope, it's rasmus
[21:14] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, hmm, okay. Could I change my user to match the OSX one ?
[21:14] <vanishing> I would just unmount it, and mkdir OSXBOX in /media, change folder belong to your userid
[21:15] <vanishing> and mount it
[21:15] <rallevondalle> I did make the "OSXBOX" folder myself, with "sudo mkdir"
[21:15] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: i wouldn't do that either. what is your user id on your osx filesystem?
[21:15] <vanishing> dont sudo mkdir
[21:16] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, not quite sure there
[21:16] <rallevondalle> ahh, then it's root of course !
[21:16] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: pastebin: ls -l /media/OSXBOX/home
[21:17] <gianni> !list
[21:18] <tbo> it shouldn't take half an hour to put the lubuntu iso onto an USB stick, right?
[21:18] <hitsujiTMO> tbo: it does if you've a really crappy usb with a really slow write speed
[21:18] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, output "total 0" ?
[21:18] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: ok then pastebin: ls -l /media/OSXBOX
[21:19] <tbo> hitsujiTMO: it is a slow USB stick but that slow no idea, I shouldn't have used the crappy one
[21:19] <Pessimist> tbo, it's generally faster on linux via the dd command because unetbootin extracts everything first
[21:19] <rallevondalle> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6728882/
[21:19] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, I think I'm getting the hang of it now ;)
[21:20] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: ok pastebin: ls -l /media/OSXBOX/Users
[21:20] <tbo> I aborted: 504774656 bytes transferred in 2107.235979 secs (239543 bytes/sec)
[21:20] <black-hat> hi
[21:20] <vanishing> hitsujiTMO: its actually rasmus@rasstabox:/media/LION
[21:20] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6728887/
[21:20] <hitsujiTMO> 239k/s is a wee bit slow alright
[21:20] <rallevondalle> I am pasting from /media/LION :)
[21:21] <vanishing> it is LION or OSXBOX
[21:21] <rallevondalle> LION is my system drive, osxbox just a big partition
[21:21] <vanishing> i'm a little confused...
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: 501 appears to be your uid in osx i think.
[21:22] <rallevondalle> ok
[21:22] <gischy> i installed the zsh shell but it dont act interactive, can you help me?
[21:22] <rallevondalle> is that randomly generated when you install the system?
[21:22] <vanishing> if you specify the mount point in fstab, and mkdir that directory, make the directory belong to your current userid, you should be able to r/w
[21:23] <rallevondalle> vanishing, I'm trying to mount the volume OSXBOX, but the OS X installation is on LION. That's why I was pasting output from that Volume instead :)
[21:24] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: what files do you want to write to?
[21:24] <vanishing> ahh I see
[21:25] <vanishing> basically OSXBOX is a seperate partition, not an OSX install
[21:25] <rallevondalle> all discs. I'm converting the old OS X system to an Ubuntu NAS. So I need to be able to reach them over LAN :)
[21:25] <rallevondalle> vanadis, yes, sorry that I didn't mention that :)
[21:25] <vanishing> yes
[21:25] <rallevondalle> I have another disc as well, but assume I can just use the same procedure for that one, once I get OSXBOX or LION up and running :)
[21:26] <vanishing> just specify the mount points in fstab, such as /media/OSXBOX for OSXBOX
[21:26] <vanishing> when OSXBOX is not mounted, mkdir /media/OSXBOX with your current userid
[21:26] <vanishing> and reboot
[21:27] <rallevondalle> ok, hang on ! :)
[21:27] <hitsujiTMO> vanishing: that wont make a difference. its pulling the permissions from the hfs filesystem
[21:29] <rallevondalle> mkdir: cannot create directory `OSXBOX': Permission denied
[21:29] <rallevondalle> As non-sudo
[21:30] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, Could I make a new user with the UID=501 ?
[21:30] <vanishing> rallevondalle: is OSXBOX mounted?
[21:30] <compdoc> rallevondalle, it all depends on where you try to make one
[21:30] <Nickslash_> pikkemand
[21:31] <bababsh> wordup
[21:31] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: you could. you'd have to manually set the home dir, shell, etc
[21:31] <bababsh> lars
[21:33] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, is that tuff? This is a brand new install, so I don't need to save anything :)
[21:33] <rallevondalle> Nickslash_, så er der en dansker i huset ;)
[21:33] <rallevondalle> vanishing, I unmounted it
[21:34] <user_> exit
[21:34] <user_> quit
[21:34] <k1l_> user_: /quit
[21:34] <user_> a ok
[21:35] <DF3D2> lubuntu channel is totally dead
[21:35] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: actually might be easier than it thought. adduser allows specifying the uid. sudo adduser -u 501 <username>                          obviously replace <username> with the username you want
[21:35] <vanishing> what happens if he create another user with osx userid, and use that?
[21:35] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, what solution would you recommend ?
[21:36] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, done :)
[21:36] <vanishing> wasn't thinking straight before...lol
[21:37] <rallevondalle> will log out/in
[21:37] <rallevondalle> vanishing, got an early 5 'o clocker there ;)
[21:39] <hikkijp> Hello guys! Can I talk about the daily builds here?
[21:39] <ralkof> A friend of mine is having problm with his Ubuntu, it keeps removing a lot of his installed programs for no apparent reason he says; It recently happened when he tried to run a game executable. What could possibly be wrong?
[21:39] <Left_Turn> how can i add a user to a specific group?
[21:40] <k1l_> hikkijp: if its about 14.04 go to #ubuntu+1   if its about the ubuntu-touch ask in #ubuntu-touch
[21:40] <hikkijp> k1l_, thank you very much
[21:41] <vanishing> Left_Turn: you can use usermod
[21:41] <Left_Turn> oh ok thnx vanishing
[21:41] <vanishing> np
[21:45] <tekt> i am new to ubuntu studio and i am trying to get my second screen to work. i have a macbook air mid 2011. any ideas?
[21:46] <rallevondalle> okay, logged into new user via terminal. Don't see it on the user list? Could be because I choose the same real name? It's a different username, of course :)
[21:46] <rallevondalle> Can't mkdir on the disc
[21:48] <rallevondalle> LION is mounted as ro, tried to remount OSXBOX, but I cannot create /media/OSXBOX without sudo
[21:49] <Left_Turn> this is pretty confusing:       -a, --append
[21:49] <Left_Turn>            Add the user to the supplementary group(s). Use only with the -G
[21:49] <Left_Turn>            option.
[21:49] <Left_Turn> so -a -G together?
[21:49] <vanishing> Left_Turn: sudo usermod -a -G group username
[21:49] <vanishing> :D
[21:50] <Left_Turn> ohh.. thanks vanishing .. i never understand man pages:(
[21:50] <rallevondalle> vanishing, wehoo it worked!
[21:50] <rallevondalle> :)
[21:50] <vanishing> np, just have to read a lot :D
[21:50] <vanishing> rallevondalle: grats
[21:50] <rallevondalle> need to test with OSXBOX now :)
[21:51] <rallevondalle> vanishing, problem is, I cannot create the directory OSXBOX without sudo in /media ?
[21:52] <vanishing> thats fine, just leave OSXBOX in there
[21:52] <bugtraq_> hi
[21:53] <rallevondalle> vanishing, it's not there. I removed it earlier since it was owned by sudo
[21:53] <rallevondalle> vanishing, mkdir with sudo chown to new user with UID=501
[21:53] <rallevondalle> that worked ;)
[21:54] <vanishing> actually
[21:54] <vanishing> in /media
[21:54] <vanishing> is there is directory with your userid?
[21:55] <rallevondalle> it's with the new username "rallevondalle" corresponding to the UID=501
[21:55] <rallevondalle> only problem is, I do not see the new user via the GUI or login ?
[21:55] <rallevondalle> can only access it via the terminal
[21:55] <vanishing> how did you create the user?
[21:55] <Andreas> 13.10 installer can't detect my SATA drive... should I change some things in bios or change sata port, not sure what to do
[21:56] <rallevondalle> useradd I think
[21:56] <rallevondalle> yes, "useradd -u 501 rallevondalle"
[21:57] <hitsujiTMO> you mean adduser not useradd?
[21:57] <bugtraq_> e ai hackudos? :3
[21:57] <rallevondalle> dude, I don't know haha. hitsu told me to write the command. It's one of those
[21:57] <vanishing> rallevondalle: you are using lightdm right? lightdm does not show any user with id < 1000
[21:58] <rallevondalle> I think it was useradd
[21:58] <rallevondalle> how do I know if I'm using lightdm ?
[21:58] <rallevondalle> yes, it looks like that hehe
[21:58] <Nickslash_> hi peeps
[21:59] <rallevondalle> vanishing, what the crack? Not below 1000. Hmm?
[21:59] <vanishing> you can workaround that by editing lightdm config to change the minimum range
[21:59] <vanishing> but I would'nt recommend it
[21:59] <rallevondalle> hmm
[22:00] <rallevondalle> vanishing, any alternative solutions?
[22:00] <vanishing> also you can try to disable userlist
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> lightdms default minimum uid is 500
[22:00] <vanishing> and just type the username when you login, maybe
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: whats the output of: cat /etc/passwd | grep 501
[22:01] <vanishing> hitsujiTMO: should be 1000
[22:01] <rallevondalle> rallevondalle:x:501:501:Rasmus Kjærbo,,,29606251:/home/rallevondalle:/bin/bash
[22:03] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: ok, you defo used adduser atleast. in the top right corner in the system menu, does that account appear?
[22:03] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, nope, only my initial user, which is with the same real name "Rasmus Kjærbo"
[22:04] <bugtraq_> ai vcs sabem de alguem que sabe hackiar facebook???
[22:04] <bugtraq_> :3
[22:04] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, hehe okay, adduser. Confusing with the two almost similar :)
[22:04] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: adduser is a wrapper for useradd :P
[22:05] <tbo> yeah, Lubuntu is much nicer on the eeePC 1000H
[22:06] <rallevondalle> hitsujiTMO, sweet, makes sense with the shell-questions it asked :)
[22:07] <hitsujiTMO> rallevondalle: if you want you can always: sudo su - rallevondalle
[22:07] <rallevondalle> yeah, I did that
[22:08] <rallevondalle> but I would like to be able to use the GUI with the drives, if possible :)
[22:09] <vanishing> rallevondalle: I haven't tried this, but it "might" work
[22:09] <vanishing> sudo vim /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[22:09] <vanishing> add:
[22:09] <vanishing> greeter-hide-users=true
[22:10] <update> Hi I have been having intermittent issues with connecting to conical update servers... it this on your end or my isp??? I have had internet connectivity the entire time.
[22:10] <vanishing> after that, fire up lightdm, and type in your username to login
[22:10] <rallevondalle> vanishing, try to relog brb
[22:10] <fpghost84> Can anyone tell me if I can safely exclude `/mnt` from my system backup?( I would of thought so, but I'm somewhat confused by the boot-save and BootInfo directories in there)
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> update: what server exactly?
[22:12] <rallevondalle> vanishing, crud, didn't work
[22:12] <rallevondalle> still had the usernames listed
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: usually yes, but you may want to preserve the mount points within /mnt ... what are you using to backup?
[22:13] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: using duplicity to back up. How do I get it to preserve these mount points?
[22:13] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: also would you happen to know what these mount points are, why are they in /mnt anyway?
[22:14] <zeprox> irssi ultranewb here, trying to get adv_windowlist to work. result: AWL: Run adv_windowlist from the shell or switch to sbar mode. how can I get it to work?
[22:16] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: unfortunately i'm not familiar with duplicity. it may have some option like --one-file-system what will allow you to add any folder, but not include other filesystems with that folder.    any mountpoint in /mnt would be set by you. its the folder where you add permanent mounts for other drives.
[22:17] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: currently the method I use to backup `/` is  -"-exclude- globbing-filelist" to simply exclude dir like /proc and /dev and so forth, but it means it does not retain even the empty directories like /proc, I have to mkdir them back after the restore....
[22:18] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: I definitely have not added the boot-save or BootInfo mnt points in /mnt, strange, I think it must be a system thing
[22:19] <caleress> exit
[22:19] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: try --exclude-other-filesystems instead
[22:20] <rallevondalle> vanishing, okay, no go unfortunately
[22:20] <rallevondalle> I can live with this though :)
[22:20] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: I had looked into that, but I believe it also does not include the other filesystem empty directories themselves like /proc , at least according to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/duplicity/+bug/775059
[22:20] <rallevondalle> next challenge - change the name of one of the OSX discs :)
[22:21] <rallevondalle> vanishing, I get the error "Sorry, could not rename "21f868f2-1641-3c85-a797-64861a1de7c7" to "ELEMENTS": Error renaming file: Device or resource busy"
[22:21] <vanishing> rallevondalle: user list is still there?
[22:21] <rallevondalle> ls
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: ahh, i see, its ignoring the mountpoints too
[22:22] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: is there not a simpler way, naievely, something like --exclude /proc/* to only exclude stuff inside, but maintain directory structure...
[22:22] <loa> how i can reload tray icons in ubuntu?
[22:22] <loa> i have there icon of crashed application
[22:22] <rallevondalle> vanishing, yes
[22:22] <vanishing> rallevondalle: did you restart lightdm service?
[22:22] <rallevondalle> tried to change the auto-login to "rallevondalle", the new user. Which did open up a new user. But it didn't seem to work as it should?
[22:23] <rallevondalle> vanishing, restarted my computer
[22:23] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: not seeing anything in the man that you haven't already tried
[22:25] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: could this kind of exclusion be done with plain old tar? (without using one file system that is)...I thought it might be just some kind of globbing command I was unware of perhaps...not sure...Then maybe it would also work for duplicitiy
[22:25] <vanishing> rallevondalle: can you pastebin both /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and /etc/fstab
[22:26] <rallevondalle> vanishing, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6729227/
[22:26] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: tar has the --one-file-system option
[22:27] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: yeah, I know it can be done that way, but surely there is a way to manually exclude directory contents, but not directory itself. Again, very naively I would have guessed something like "--exclude /dir/*"
[22:27] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: tar also has a number of exclude options, including --exclude=PATTERN
[22:27] <RandomStrayCat> Can someone help with partition tables?
[22:27] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: Ah, some maybe PATTERN is the key here
[22:28] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: have a look at: tar --help | grep exclude
[22:30] <vanishing> rallevondalle: there is no greeter-hide-users=true in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[22:30] <rallevondalle> vanishing, ash
[22:30] <vanishing> also
[22:31] <vanishing> to rename the partition with uuid starting with e02...
[22:31] <vanishing> just add a mount point in that line :D
[22:31] <rallevondalle> vanishing, okay, hang on :)
[22:31] <vanishing> to restart lightdm
[22:31] <vanishing> sudo service lightdm restart
[22:32] <fartface> So I've got a single account on Ubuntu 12.04.03, administrator, and I've just changed the password using "passwd" in terminal.  Now, whenever I try to enter a sudo command, it says my password is incorrect, whether I use the new, or the old password.  Any ideas?
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> !details | RandomStrayCat
[22:33] <RandomStrayCat> So, I've been trying to 'dd' a freebsd .img stick for two days: here is what I got... sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M  .....(md5sum if good) ........ sudo dd if=FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img of=/dev/sdb bs=64k conv=sync .... (boots fine with a xubuntu usb) .... (invalid partition table for the freebsd usb though???)
[22:34] <RandomStrayCat> I've tried freebsd 9.2 and 10.0 memstick.img
[22:34] <wolfzrat> hey anyone know the release date for ubuntu tv
[22:35] <rallevondalle> vanishing, mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdc1 is mounted on /media/21f868f2-1641-3c85-a797-64861a1de7c7
[22:36] <k1l_> wolfzrat: no release date so far
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> RandomStrayCat: sudo dd if=FreeBSD-10.0-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img of=/dev/sdb on its own should work. if not then its an issue with the free bsd image itself
[22:37] <wolfzrat> ok, another question, ive seen that ubuntu can be run on a tablet, any idea how to do this, i saw it on ubuntu's website
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> !touch | wolfzrat
[22:39] <wolfzrat> and i can install it on any tablet?
[22:39] <k1l_> wolfzrat: nope
[22:39] <wolfzrat> i have a samsung
[22:39] <vanishing> rallevondalle: ok, add this uuid entry to fstab, similar to the others, give it a mount point like /media/WOW
[22:40] <k1l_> wolfzrat: #ubuntu-touch  or #ubuntu-arm are the right channels for that issue
[22:40] <RandomStrayCat> hitsuji: I know, that is the problem :/   Maybe, i'll run a vm of free bsd and try 'dd' -- even though in theory that shouldn't make a difference. Before I do that though, is there a way to tell if FreeBSD setup the partition table is invalid (it is an older machine).
[22:41] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: I think I worked this out --exclude '/proc/**' does the desired thing, namely keeps proc but not the rubbish inside
[22:42] <wolfzrat> k1l_, thanks
[22:42] <Vunda> hello
[22:42] <Vunda> :)
[22:42] <DrGrov> Hello hello again
[22:43] <DrGrov> I am now sitting at my father's place. The issue is that I can not boot from the DVD drive. I have a USB stick though which I thought I would put Lubuntu 12.04 on. Can I do that in Windows XP easily?
[22:43] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: cool. now repeat for /dev and /sys :P
[22:43] <RandomStrayCat> DrGov: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[22:44] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: use linux live usb
[22:44] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: I have no Linux live usb at hand. Or how do you mean?
[22:44] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: yup :). Still confused about the boot-sav and BootInfo in /mnt though, they are definitely not my own mount points, yet each contains empty directories my the sbd1,2,3...partitions to be mounted into....Googling did not shed any light either...hmm
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: that tool will turn put a live iso onto a usb
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> fpghost84: maybe an app you've installed.
[22:45] <olf-folks> i like unetbootin for doing that
[22:46] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: Great, that is exactly that I want :)
[22:47] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: I thought it would be easy as 1-2-3 but apparently not with the DVD not co-operating :/
[22:47] <davidfourfour> Hey everybody.
[22:47] <Vunda> gde je dodjoh u pm
[22:47] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: So I can just get the Lubuntu 12.04 as I did before and md5sum that and burn?
[22:47] <Vunda> zna li ko gde sma ja?
[22:47] <Vunda> nema pojma niko
[22:47] <fpghost84> hitsujiTMO: the only thing I can possibly guess at the moment, is if the Ubuntu boot repair (for uefi issues) had something to do with it, but that is a pure guess
[22:48] <chemist^> Vunda, znam ja
[22:48] <chemist^> u srbiji ;)
[22:48] <Vunda> brate
[22:49] <Vunda> da je Srbija pa hajde
[22:49] <Vunda> nego nije :)
[22:49] <chemist^> :)
[22:49] <Vunda> o cemu se ovde radi
[22:49] <k1l_> chemist^: Vunda please stick to english in here
[22:49] <Vunda> sta je ovde tema?
[22:49] <chemist^> Vunda we need to speak english here on public :)
[22:49] <davidfourfour> Hi everybody. I just installed Ubuntu 13.1 two days ago.
[22:49] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: Do I need to get the Lubuntu 12.04 ISO myself or can I get it within the Linux Live USB program?
[22:50] <Vunda> I assumed.
[22:50] <Vunda> :)
[22:50] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: i always grab the iso separately myself. that way i can try a different tool if that doesnt work
[22:50] <mojtaba> Hi, I want to mix these mp3 files based on their first three numbers. meaning 001* are all should be combined. Do you know how should I do this, if I would like to use cat? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6729335/
[22:52] <gordonjcp> mojtaba: mix how, exactly?
[22:52] <Viking667> yeesh. Starting up Minecraft in fullscreen mode toasts the video. strange...
[22:53] <RandomStrayCat> Motjaba: I am not sure if this would work but... file1 >> file2>>file3 ... make back ups first
[22:53] <mojtaba> gordonjcp: e.g. first file is 1min, the second file starts from 1.01...
[22:53] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: Okay, I will grab it then .Can I somehow check the md5sum just to be sure+
[22:53] <DrGrov> ?
[22:53] <mojtaba> gordonjcp: I do not want to have overlap nor missing some parts of them.
[22:54] <gordonjcp> mojtaba: you could try catting them together
[22:54] <mojtaba> gordonjcp: I am not sure how should I implement cat exactly.
[22:54] <mojtaba> gordonjcp: I am very interested to use a for loop.
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> !md5 | DrGrov
[22:56] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: Thank you :) I just told my father that it is time to change the computer sooner rather than later. This is a real pain to mess around with Windows XP :D
[22:59] <mojtaba> gordonjcp: Do you know how can I use for loop?
[22:59] <gordonjcp> mojtaba: not offhand, probably something like "for i in *.mp3; do cat $i >> out.mp3; done;
[23:00] <mojtaba> gordonjcp: The problem is that, they must be combined based on their first three digits.
[23:01] <mojtaba> gordonjcp: Do you know how can I use regexp?
[23:01] <DrGrov> I wonder though, could it be that the system is restricting the DVD drive to work? It seems to read the DVD, but nothing happens. Can that work in Lubuntu still somehow but not in XP?
[23:02] <RandomStrayCat> DrGov: How are you looking to loop. I know on the last three digits? But will it be like
[23:02] <RandomStrayCat> 001, 002 ,003
[23:03] <RandomStrayCat> then 004, 005 006?
[23:03] <DrGrov> RandomStrayCat: How do you mean?
[23:04] <RandomStrayCat> When you are looping the function, will the first round be files 001 002 003, the second round files 004 005 006?
[23:04] <DrGrov> RandomStrayCat: It is strange that the DVD drive is not working at all in XP, just tells me to insert the DVD in drive. Can that somehow be rectified in Lubuntu and it just will work?
[23:04] <bekks> DrGrov: No. Ubuntu will not magically heal your hardware.
[23:05] <RandomStrayCat> DrGove: ^agreed, check to make sure it is on master on not slave :3.
[23:05] <DrGrov> bekks: Ah, I thought so. What might be an issue? It looks like it is reading from the DVD but just stops. Broken DVD?
[23:05] <bekks> DrGrov: BRoken dvd or broken drive.
[23:05] <RandomStrayCat> ^yep
[23:05] <RandomStrayCat> master/slave isn't the problem then
[23:05] <DrGrov> bekks: The DVD is not broken, just burned it 25 minutes ago on my own Ubuntu 13.10 64-bit.
[23:06] <bekks> DrGrov: That doesnt mean the DVD cannot be broken.
[23:06] <DrGrov> bekks: You mean the medium itself or the drive?
[23:06] <bekks> DrGrov: I said that either the dvd or the drive is broken.
[23:06] <DrGrov> bekks: Yes, I follow.
[23:06] <DrGrov> bekks: I might have to do some tweaking in BIOS to make sure, not too fancy to do it in the middle now but :)
[23:07] <bekks> DrGrov: BIOS has nothing to do with it.
[23:07] <DrGrov> bekks: Sorry, I do follow but feeling extremely tired. Ok, no BIOS. So I gotta open the case and check then it seems.
[23:07] <bekks> DrGrov: If you open the case of the drive you will break it. For sure.
[23:07] <chemist^> Finally it's that time of the day, when i can smoke me a fat one ;))
[23:08] <DrGrov> bekks: I mean opening the case of the computer, not the DVD drive.
[23:08] <YamakasY_> yo, anyone around with a local mirror for 12.04 ?
[23:08] <darkelfjuggalo> Does anyone know of a Way to upgrade Flash in ubuntu beyond 11.2? Or an alternative measure to play Flash Content that requires this updated Flash? I am finding more and more of my internet Content is inaccessible due to the Flash being outdated.
[23:08] <qin> DrGrov: Since I am just spiling coffee rading it, do you think that testing burned DVD on 100% operational drive sounds logical?
[23:08] <DrGrov> But as long as I get Lubuntu installed via USB it is good. My father is not using any optical drives. Just word processing, mail and browsing. He is a simple man with simple needs :)
[23:09] <bekks> DrGrov: Opening your computer will not help you determining the wether the dvd or the drive is broken.
[23:09] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: did you get it installed?
[23:09] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: I have to re-download the Lubuntu 12.04 ISO since the DVD is not working at all.
[23:09] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: why redownload?
[23:10] <bekks> DrGrov: Just burn the ISO again, at a lower speed.
[23:10] <DrGrov> qin: Yes, it does. I am a retard, got too carried away.  I am extremely tired and frustrated at this. I have been used to get things working instantly, never thought about specs before :(
[23:12] <qin> !cookie | gordonjcp
[23:13] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: if you can't get your P4 machine to read the drive *at all*, either DVD or USB
[23:13] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Yes, now when reading it the third time I follow :)
[23:13] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: you can just take its hard disk out, put it in something that *does* boot off USB, install Ubuntu, and then swap the drives back
[23:13] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: get to bed
[23:13] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: I blame everything on me being extremely tired.
[23:13] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: No, can not do that. I tend to finish this insane task first :)
[23:14] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: Mind if I PM a delicate explanation?
[23:14] <gordonjcp> sure
[23:14] <mojtaba> I want to use cat to concatenate pretty large number of files, based on their first 3 letters of the file. Does anybody how can I do that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6729335
[23:14] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: sleepyness leads to lapses of judgement, lapses of judgement lead to mistakes, mistakes lead to "HOLY ---- I WISH I WAS STILL SLEEPY"
[23:17] <waterlubber> Just finished my ubuntu housekeeping...install complete after 3 days of work...
[23:18] <RandomStrayCat> waterlubber: congrats!
[23:19] <waterlubber> Thanks! You know, I have another comp that has no backlight...its an Emachines e527, but I really don't care that much since I fixed this old beast
[23:19] <waterlubber> It kept overheating...there was like half an inch of dust on the heat sinks...:/
[23:20] <waterlubber> That was a facepalm moment, this thing was unused for like 3 years because of its heat problems...
[23:20] <waterlubber> Okay anyone want/need help?
[23:20] <administrator_> hello everyone
[23:21] <waterlubber> Hellp!
[23:21] <waterlubber> Hello* XD
[23:21] <administrator_> ???
[23:21] <bekks> !ask | waterlubber
[23:21] <administrator_> everyone?
[23:21] <waterlubber> Yep
[23:22] <waterlubber> How do I change the color of the launcher thing on the left? It goes to this weird brown color like my BG
[23:23] <waterlubber> I set the color in the background settings to aqua, but it doesn't change the color of the bar
[23:23] <waterlubber> !patience
[23:23] <RandomStrayCat> What version are you using?
[23:23] <waterlubber> Let me check...
[23:24] <waterlubber> 12.04 LTS
[23:24] <waterlubber> Latest, right? I think I installed all the updates too...l
[23:26] <loa> how i can setup notification area of ubuntu?
[23:26] <TheEmpath> hi.  I'm trying to SSH to github, and I'm using the verbose flag, I have two keys, but SSH is only using one.  Am I missing a configuration option?
[23:26] <loa> i don't like agregation for message applications.
[23:26] <waterlubber> Yeah I have the same prob loa
[23:27] <waterlubber> Oh rightclick-> customize
[23:27] <RandomStrayCat> Ubuntu 12.10 is the latest btw
[23:27] <loa> waterlubber, rightclick where
[23:27] <waterlubber> Oh nvm was clicking on thunderbird sorry!
[23:28] <RandomStrayCat> Not sure, if it is like 13.10, it is automatic and based off of your wall paper. But, ill look
[23:28] <waterlubber> hmm random it seems to look a lot like my wallpaper...I might have installed the update package for that bug/feature/thing
[23:29] <mojtaba> I want to use cat to concatenate pretty large number of files, based on their first 3 letters of the file. Does anybody how can I do that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6729335
[23:29] <waterlubber> Really quite odd, loa...seems like a bug.
[23:30] <waterlubber> moj try making a script in Python or another language, linux first. Thats more of a programming question...anyone, Python and Linux are quick to learn
[23:30] <waterlubber> What changes your color of your username
[23:31] <waterlubber> My  key is broken
[23:31] <waterlubber> lol the letter after u
[23:31] <marrrk_> Hello! I would like to know where to put an environment variable in a script.
[23:31] <gordonjcp> waterlubber: i ?
[23:32] <marrrk_> sudo echoing and then >> it into the file gives permission denied.
[23:32] <waterlubber> XD not a user interface...the alpha bet...not qwerty...howeer, on Qwerty it would be after c and before b
[23:32] <gordonjcp> marrrk_: yup
[23:32] <gordonjcp> marrrk_: "sudo" pertains to the echo, not the redirection
[23:33] <marrrk_> So what sudo su and then exit again?
[23:33] <waterlubber> marrrk_: maybe it could be accessing protect/open files?
[23:33] <gordonjcp> you could
[23:33] <waterlubber> :)
[23:33] <k1l_> marrrk_: you need to give the sudo to the write command: echo  .... | sudo tee
[23:33] <gordonjcp> or better, "echo thing | sudo tee -a file"
[23:33] <waterlubber> How do you get color names? like k1l_  is purple...
[23:33] <marrrk_> man tee is just one letter away from a manatee
[23:33] <gordonjcp> marrrk_: tee -a appends
[23:33] <gordonjcp> waterlubber: press tab
[23:34] <gordonjcp> marrrk_: well, there you go
[23:34] <waterlubber> Doesn't that auto finish names?
[23:34] <gordonjcp> marrrk_: you *know* it's good
[23:34] <sakter12> what exactly does changing GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""   do?  as in getting rid of the quiet splash
[23:34] <hitsujiTMO> waterlubber: thats your client
[23:34] <gordonjcp> marrrk_: 'cos manatees are *awesome*
[23:34] <pancakes09> hi ubuntuuuuuu
[23:34] <waterlubber> Oh its a client setting? It seems to me to be my Ubuntu color in the desktop settings
[23:34] <waterlubber> Ubuntu says hi to pancakes09
[23:35] <waterlubber> Ubuntu likes pancakes09
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> sakter12: you get to see dmesg as the system boots up
[23:35] <waterlubber> gtg
[23:35] <marrrk_> Ah so that means that tee -a does the same (job, in this case,) as >> but I can supply it with a sudo?
[23:35] <mojtaba> I want to use cat to concatenate pretty large number of files, based on their first 3 letters of the file. Does anybody how can I do that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6729335
[23:35] <sakter12> hitsujiTMO, right just making sure thanks.
[23:35] <sakter12> how can i tell if i have grub2 or not?  :<
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> sakter12: also make sure to run update-grub so it actually applies that setting
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> sakter12: dpkg --get-selections | grep grub-pc
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> sakter12: grub-pc is grub 2
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> sakter12: or: if you're booting with uefi you have grub 2 aswell. its a different package:  dpkg --get-selections | grep grub-efi-amd64
[23:38] <sakter12> hitsujiTMO, it showed grub-pc , grub-pc-bin  intall, so grub2 right?  is there a difference between 'sudo update-grub' and update-grub2?
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> sakter12: no difference. one should be a symlink to the other
[23:38] <sakter12> *install
[23:39] <sakter12> hitsujiTMO, ok thank you very much
[23:39] <hitsujiTMO> sakter12: yup you have grub2
[23:40] <phpdip> hey :)
[23:42] <pphps> hey
[23:42] <pphps> someone here to help me fixing some simple array curl problem in php ? would be thankful
[23:44] <hitsujiTMO> pphps: ##php would be a better channel for that
[23:44] <pphps> okay will give it a try thanks :)
[23:44] <pphps> #php is invite only.
[23:45] <k1l_> pphps: mind the double # in ##php
[23:45] <pphps> k
[23:47] <sakter12> when you shutdown via the gui, like click the top right and click "Shut down" and it prompts for restart or shutdown in Ubuntu, what command exactly is running there?
[23:47] <Eagleman> Any idea why Apcupsd is not calling the doshutdown script i placed in /etc/apcupsd directory?
[23:48] <sakter12> "sudo Shutdown -h now" ? or something?
[23:49] <RandomStrayCat> sakter12: type this in man shutdown
[23:49] <RandomStrayCat> it will give you a lot of info
[23:50] <RandomStrayCat> sakter12: shutdown -P
[23:51] <sakter12> nice, good ol' man pages
[23:51] <sakter12> RandomStrayCat,  thanks
[23:52] <NickAlish> nbbmn
[23:52] <brahdude> Hey guys, I installed ubuntu but my fans keep spinning loudly.  How can I control my fans?
[23:53] <RandomStrayCat> brahdude: which fans?
[23:53] <brahdude> the laptop fan itself I think
[23:54] <RandomStrayCat> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed
[23:54] <pancho> hola
[23:54] <RandomStrayCat> brahdude: that link might help
[23:54] <RandomStrayCat> hola
[23:55] <pancho> nesesito ayuda con budhi
[23:55] <brahdude> thanks RandomStrayCat , I actually tried it and got stuck at  sudo /etc/init.d/module-init-tools restart , command not found
[23:55] <milapurr> Hey what's the sudo command to move a folder from one place to another?
[23:55] <k1l_> pancho: budhi is not supported in here. ask the budhi support please
[23:55] <RandomStrayCat> mv /start /end
[23:56] <qin> milapurr: man mv
[23:56] <pancho> si es que en el soporte de budhi no me quieren ayudar
[23:56] <pancho> alegando que solo en español
[23:56] <k1l_> pancho: then dont use budhi? :/
[23:56] <brahdude> nvm RandomStrayCat being blind lol
[23:57] <Dinosaurio> pancho: use English
[23:57] <pancho> budhi is the best sistem in the word
[23:57] <RandomStrayCat> brahdude: haha k :)
[23:57] <Dinosaurio> pancho: what word?
[23:57] <qin> haha
[23:57] <pancho> ubuntu is god but budhi is beter
[23:57] <pancho> tru
[23:57] <k1l_> pancho: then go to the support of that system. bye
[23:58] <RandomStrayCat> brahdude: if that doesn't do it your laptop fan may be going bad :s
[23:58] <milapurr> it wont let me stating no such file/directory.
[23:58] <pancho> all chague of budhi
[23:58] <pancho> please bye thaks
[23:58] <milapurr> I wanna move it off home to /usr/lib
[23:58] <pancakes09> milapurr: sudo mv -p yourdirectory /usr/lib/
[23:59] <qin> milapurr: what do you want to move to /usr/lib/ ?
[23:59] <milapurr> Java-7-oracle
[23:59] <pancakes09> milapurr: mv -p Java-7-oracle /usr/lib/
[23:59] <Eagleman> Any idea why Apcupsd is not calling the doshutdown script i placed in /etc/apcupsd directory?
[23:59] <brahdude> RandomStrayCat, ant find any fans. + Not sure, works perfect in Windows.
[23:59] <brahdude> cant*
[23:59] <pancakes09> Eagleman: check file permissions


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <LocutusOfBorg1> dholbach, hi, do you think you can sync lucene++
[07:49] <LocutusOfBorg1> no rdeps, bugfix only, and should fix two ubuntu bugs
[07:50] <LocutusOfBorg1> there are spurious build failures with the old release, I never had them in debian with the new one, and I remember I might have fixed some packaging bugs, together with sil2100
[07:52] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, "1285 files changed, 128753 insertions(+), 144491 deletions(-)"
[07:52] <dholbach> it's a bit hard for me to see what was changed
[07:52] <dholbach> it'd be good if somebody could take a look and maybe come up with a changelog or something and have a chat with the release team
[07:52] <sil2100> It's mostly LocutusOfBorg1 great job, since I'm so busy with other stuff that I was not really much of a help...
[07:52] <dholbach> we're just a week away from release
[07:52] <sil2100> :<
[07:54] <dholbach> some files seem to have a lot of whitespace changes in them
[07:54] <dholbach> but it's a hard for me to find out what exactly changed
[07:55] <dholbach> maybe you can file a bug about it and explain what changed
[07:56] <LocutusOfBorg1> mmm there was a rdep, but it has been removed, so actually no programs should use it
[07:56] <LocutusOfBorg1> but maybe we can sync after utopic release
[07:58] <LocutusOfBorg1> BTW can you please remove boinc-app-milkyway? the version is too old to be useful
[07:58] <LocutusOfBorg1> and I cannot upload the new one because of nvidia license
[07:58] <LocutusOfBorg1> so please let it go :)
[07:59] <dholbach> can you file a bug about it and subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[08:00] <dholbach> it'd be good if there's some explanation why it can be dropped
[08:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> bug 1381384
[08:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> I quoted the debian bug
[08:02] <dholbach> great, thanks
[08:09] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks to you :)
[08:12] <Saviq> pitti, hey, any idea if -dbgsyms from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-006/+sourcepub/4473892/+listing-archive-extra are available somewhere?
[08:12] <pitti> Saviq: they should be in http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-rtm/queue/
[08:12] <Saviq> pitti, indeed, awesome, thanks!
[08:22] <Saviq> tvoss, this is gaining severity by the minute bug #1380736
[08:23] <Saviq> tvoss, could you have a look please, dbus-cpp and media-hub involved
[08:23] <tvoss> Saviq, sure
[08:23] <Saviq> Wellark even has some suspects there
[08:23] <Saviq> tvoss, if you need, got the coredump here
[08:24] <tvoss> Saviq, ack, got it
[08:25] <Wellark> Saviq: morning!
[08:25] <Saviq> Wellark, heyo
[08:26] <tvoss> Saviq, Wellark why is media-hub involved here? did somebody look at dbus traffic?
[08:27] <tvoss> Saviq, Wellark so this only happens if the wizard has been run?
[08:27] <Wellark> tvoss: I looked at the stacktrace and the involved libraries
[08:27] <tvoss> Wellark, sure, that might be misleading here, though
[08:27] <Wellark> tvoss: I suspect it's qtubuntu-media
[08:28] <Saviq> tvoss, no, it just happened to me on boot when unlocking the SIM cards
[08:28] <Wellark> I just slammed media-hub there before I found out about qtubuntu-media
[08:28] <Wellark> tvoss: but,
[08:28] <tvoss> Saviq, did we investigate in this direction: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/1380736/comments/4
[08:29] <Saviq> tvoss, unrelated, it just makes it easier to reproduce, probably due to high CPU load by dash
[08:29] <Saviq> tvoss, for me it happened regardless of what the dash was doing
[08:29] <Wellark> tvoss: actually there might be two issues.. the errors.u.c. report that mterry posted seems like the one you get when you forget to disconect()
[08:29] <tvoss> Wellark, did you try removing the audio source in unity8?
[08:30] <Wellark> but
[08:30] <Wellark> the one that I posted
[08:30] <tvoss> Wellark, a crash is somewhat fine, but why would everything hang?
[08:30] <Wellark> seems like a uncaught exception
[08:30] <Saviq> tvoss, no no
[08:30] <Saviq> tvoss, it's a crash
[08:30] <Wellark> tvoss: it's crashihng unity8
[08:30] <Wellark> and as apport runs
[08:30] <Saviq> tvoss, "hang" is just apport collecting the core
[08:30] <Wellark> it's seems that the system is hanged
[08:31] <Saviq> which takes up to a minute
[08:31] <tvoss> Saviq, ah okay
[08:32] <tvoss> Wellark, did you try making sure that the respective signal is disconnected?
[08:32] <tvoss> Saviq, is it an abort or a segfault? I would expect a segfault
[08:33] <Wellark> tvoss: I just looked at the code last night at 3.30am as I didn't have anything better to do
[08:33] <tvoss> Wellark, ack, I will look at it
[08:33] <Saviq> tvoss, segv
[08:33] <Wellark> :)
[08:33] <tvoss> Saviq, ack, that makes sens
[08:33] <tvoss> e
[08:33] <tvoss> Saviq, could it be that the audio source is destroyed/reinitalized somewhere?
[08:33] <Saviq> tvoss, it definitely is destroyed
[08:34] <tvoss> Saviq, ack, then that's the likely issue here
[08:34] <tvoss> let me see
[08:34] <tvoss> Saviq, cross-check: channel is rtm, correct?
[08:34] <Saviq> tvoss, it happens when the SIM unlock dialog (ugh.. notification) is being destroyed, and it does have Audio { } in there
[08:34] <Saviq> tvoss, either
[08:34] <tvoss> Saviq, ack
[08:34] <Saviq> tvoss, at least yesterday it was either, this morning I repro'd in rtm yes
[08:35] <tvoss> Saviq, branching qtubuntu-media and trying a fix
[08:35] <tvoss> Saviq, Wellark do we have a silo for the bug, yet?
[08:35] <Saviq> tvoss, no
[08:36] <tvoss> Saviq, ack, let me request one
[08:36] <Wellark> tvoss: thanks!
[09:05] <dholbach> jodh, can you merge my branch then?
[09:26] <jodh> dholbach: done, thanks.
[09:28] <dholbach> jodh, package uploaded, should be sitting in the queue now.
[09:28] <jodh> dholbach: thanks again!
[09:28] <Saviq> tvoss, on another topic, I've been unable to get a location on my phone for a while now when dogfooding
[09:28] <tvoss> Saviq, sorry, can we please postpone that until I have this fix mp'd?
[09:28] <Saviq> tvoss, let me know if you have some time to try and debug why
[09:29] <Saviq> tvoss, ↑
[09:29] <Saviq> s/if/if\/when/
[09:29] <tvoss> Saviq, ack
[09:34] <tvoss> Saviq, Wellark https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/qtubuntu-media/fix-races-for-access-to-destroyed-controls/+merge/238404
[09:38] <Saviq> tvoss, thanks
[09:38] <tvoss> Saviq, requesting silo right now
[09:38] <tvoss> now if only launchpad would show the diff :)
[09:50] <Laney> can you fix imminently? :-)
[09:52] <bdrung_work> yes
[09:52] <Laney> rocking
[09:52] <dholbach> jodh, Laney, bdrung_work: I commented on the MP
[09:54] <jodh> dholbach, bdrung_work: if that date is correct, could we also update http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Ubuntu_14.10_.28Utopic_Unicorn.29 to match?
[09:55] <jodh> bdrung_work: do you want me to change the MP or are you going to jfdi?
[09:55] <dholbach> jodh, I don't understand
[09:56] <pitti> stgraber: oh, I just found out why I was getting an EPERM trying to remove /var/cache/lxc/utopic/rootfs-amd64 -- it's a separate btrfs subvolume
[09:56] <pitti> stgraber: OOI, why is this done?
[09:56] <jodh> dholbach: sorry, that wikipedia link was meant to link to the 'Table of versions' entry for utopic that currently just shows "2015-07".
[09:58] <pitti> stgraber: is that more efficient wrt. mounting in the container?
[09:58] <dholbach> hum
[09:58] <dholbach> sorry
[09:59] <dholbach> let me doublecheck
[09:59] <dholbach> yes, AFAICS this should be correct:
[09:59] <dholbach> 14.10,Utopic Unicorn,utopic,2014-04-17,2014-10-23,2015-07-23
[10:00] <dholbach> ^ can somebody doublecheck?
[10:00] <dholbach> it matches https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule + the usual 9 months of support
[10:02] <bdrung_work> Laney, dholbach: just uploaded distro-info-data 0.22 to unstable. please sync it once it's there
[10:03] <Laney> ty
[10:03] <bdrung_work> and here is the change: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/distro-info-data.git/commit/?id=aaad145d76739cfa41c53cf26265fb6bcaa574ee
[10:04] <dholbach> thanks bdrung_work
[10:04] <dholbach> LGTM
[10:06] <jodh> bdrung_work: thanks.
[10:07] <bdrung_work> you're welcome
[10:23] <rbasak> doko_: so I have a fix ready to upload for the FTBFS for armhf in your rebuild test. Only I just want to do a final test before uploading and realised that a newer version has been stuck in utopic-proposed all along.
[10:23] <rbasak> And this version additionally fails on powerpc.
[10:23] <stgraber> pitti: it's so containers can be created with a simple subvolume snapshot rather than rync the whole thing
[10:23] <rbasak> Fixing armhf needed hand-examination of the arm assembly output. If powerpc needs to do the same, I'm not capable of doing it quickly as I don't know powerpc assembly.
[10:24] <rbasak> Can we keep the version the same as in utopic (not utopic-proposed), but with my cherry-picks to fix armhf? Then we'll have something in the archive that doesn't FTBFS on all architectures.
[10:25] <rbasak> But I think this would need a 0.4.4-1really<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 version number of something.
[10:25] <doko_> rbasak, yep, sound good. did you test your version on porter-powerpc?
[10:25] <rbasak> No. I can do that. I only touched armhf-specific code.
[10:27] <rbasak> doko: does 0.4.4-1really<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 sound appropriate to you? I don't know what we do about the second hyphen there, so I changed it to a dot.
[10:29] <doko> I would use as the upstream part: 0.4.4really0.4.2  and then -0ubuntu1
[10:29] <rbasak> That sounds better - thanks.
[10:31] <rbasak> Ah - and that way I don't get a confused upstream tarball. My wouldn't work.
[10:32] <pitti> stgraber: ah, nice
[10:38] <cjwatson> rbasak: You don't need a really version here
[10:38] <cjwatson> rbasak: It sounds like we can remove the package from utopic-proposed and then you can go backwards (which is OK since utopic-proposed isn't expected to have widespread apt clients using it)
[10:38] <cjwatson> rbasak: What package is this?
[10:39] <rbasak> cjwatson: python-greenlet
[10:39] <rbasak> I didn't realise that was acceptable. If you're happy to delete from utopic-proposed, then yes please.
[10:39] <cjwatson> I think it's nicer than a really version, yeah
[10:40] <rbasak> OK
[10:40] <rbasak> I'll prepare a 0.4.2-1build1ubuntu1
[10:40] <rbasak> Or, 0.4.2-1ubuntu1?
[10:40] <Laney> yes
[10:40] <rbasak> I guess that's higher.
[10:41] <cjwatson> The latter
[10:41] <rbasak> ack
[10:41] <cjwatson> Presumably any future version of 0.4.4 would need to be patched to include your change, rather than resurrecting 0.4.4
[10:41] <cjwatson> er resurrecting 0.4.4-1
[10:42] <rbasak> Yes. My change has already been accepted upstream. The Debian maintainer asked upstream for a new release to incorporate my fixes.
[10:42] <cjwatson> rbasak: nuked, you can upload
[10:42] <rbasak> Thank you!
[10:42]  * rbasak build tests on armhf and powerpc first.
[10:50] <rbasak> Uploaded.
[11:38] <rbasak> Oh great. It failed on amd64 :-/
[11:44] <rbasak> Someone hit the retry button? It succeeds locally.
[11:44] <rbasak> As in, did someone hit the retry button? I was just about to do it.
[11:44] <doko> I did
[11:44] <rbasak> Thanks
[11:44] <rbasak> I don't understand the failure. I makes no sense to me.
[11:45] <rbasak> It
[11:46] <rbasak> greenlet seems to have turned into a bit of a nemesis for me. I refuse to let it defeat me :)
[11:48] <rbasak> \o/
[12:10] <ogra_> jodh, just saw your mail ... i think you should talk to stgraber aboout the "writagble-image" options (i dont know what sync actually does, never used it)
[12:11] <jodh> ogra_: ack, thanks.
[12:12] <ogra_> (and i guess yu guys can easily talk in person this week ;) )
[12:14] <stgraber> ogra_: nope, jodh isn't at Plumbers
[12:14] <stgraber> and I'm rarely online
[12:16] <ogra_> oh
[12:26] <sunweaver> dbarth: long time not seen / talked / chatted.
[12:27]  * sunweaver is Mike Gabriel from upstream X2Go and also now a DD packaging MATE for Debian.
[12:27] <sunweaver> I plan to bring my work power to the Ubuntu MATE team and need Ubuntu Developers that maybe would like to write an endorsement statement under my application.
[12:27] <sunweaver> At least you have seen a bit of my work, even if some time ago.
[12:28] <sunweaver> dbarth: here is the application page anyway: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeGabriel/DeveloperApplication
[12:29] <sunweaver> dbarth: maybe you find some time and are willing to add a statement...
[12:29] <sunweaver> THANKS!
[12:35] <dbarth> sunweaver: o/ will take a look later (deep inside a debug session w/mardy right now)
[12:35] <sunweaver> dbarth: o/ THANKS!
[12:49] <doko> tseliot, there are some MIR's missing for your last nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 upload
[12:50] <tseliot> doko: MIRs?
[12:51] <doko> tseliot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[12:51] <doko> for ocl-icd and khronos-opencl-headers
[12:51] <doko> and bumblebee
[12:52] <tseliot> doko: I don't recall requesting that
[12:52] <tseliot> not bumblebee, at least, only bbswitch
[12:52] <tseliot> also, do you have a relevant bug report?
[12:53] <doko> tseliot, the nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 and nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 packages do that.
[12:53] <doko> tseliot, no, *you* are required to file this bug report with the MIR information
[12:53] <tseliot> let me check the packaging
[12:57] <tseliot> doko: maybe the problem with  nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 is that nvidia-opencl-icd-304 depends on ocl-icd-libopencl1 | nvidia-libopencl1-304, and ocl-icd-libopencl1 is in universe
[12:58] <tseliot> it should be the same for nvidia-graphics-drivers-331
[12:59] <doko> tseliot, ahh, nvidia-331 recommends nvidia-prime (>= 0.5) | bumblebee, which is correct, and the component-mismatch wrong
[12:59] <tseliot> doko: yep
[13:02] <tseliot> doko: do you think I should still file a MIR for the opencl stuff, even though it's just an alternative dependency?
[13:03] <mlankhorst> do you want opencl? :P
[13:11] <doko> tseliot, why isn't nvidia-libopencl1-304 listed as the first alternative?
[13:14] <tseliot> doko: they are interchangeable, and it's best to build against the open one (to avoid missing symbols)
[13:15] <doko> tseliot, well, then I assume we should have it in main?
[13:16] <tseliot> doko: yes
[13:16] <doko> tseliot, then please file the MIR issue
[13:16] <doko> mlankhorst, I don't want it, but if it is required according to tseliot
[13:17] <tseliot> doko: ok
[13:18] <tseliot> we'll also need it for fglrx in utopic+1
[13:20] <smoser> pitti, i think i saw you were having an issue with a unity-settings-daemon crash ? is that right ?
[13:20] <smoser> i'm pretty much wrecked by it. launchpad seems unresponsive now, or i'd have a link.
[13:20] <pitti> smoser: yes, it and compiz were crashing every minute or so
[13:21] <smoser> yeah. :-(
[13:21] <pitti> smoser: larsu fixed in a branch yesterday; if you are on amd64 you can install the debs from http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/usd/
[13:21] <pitti> (that's a straight build from his branch)
[13:21] <pitti> smoser: since then, not a single crash any more
[13:21] <stgraber> I just accepted the fix
[13:21] <pitti> \o/
[13:21] <stgraber> after having the same crash happen to me a dozen of times today :)
[13:22] <smoser> am i the only one that can't load launcpad bugs ?
[13:22] <stgraber> also, I'm a bit disappointed that the apport retracer didn't duplicate my 4-5 bugs to the right ones, took me a while to figure out exactly what was going on :)
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, smoser: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-008
[13:22] <smoser> seb128, thank you.
[13:22] <seb128> pitti, better to recommend ^ so we get testers for the version we want to land
[13:22] <doko> tvoss, asac, cjwatson, please have a look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt and tell me which of the packages in "Source and binary movements to universe" belong to the phablet, and maybe should be seeded
[13:23] <pitti> seb128: binaries are now also on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/14.04.0+14.10.20141014-0ubuntu1
[13:23] <seb128> oh, upload got accepted
[13:23] <seb128> nice
[13:23] <seb128> lol
[13:23] <pitti> stgraber: oh? I tried to report it and I already got stopped on the client side due to the bug pattern
[13:23] <seb128> 3 minutes ago
[13:23] <seb128> pitti is on top of things ;-)
[13:23] <pitti> seb128: stgraber | I just accepted the fix
[13:24] <seb128> stgraber, pitti: thanks
[13:24] <pitti> it's the "ubuflu" for laptops
[13:24] <pitti> I never had that crash at home
[13:24] <pitti> and as soon as you walk to a conference your desktop gets effectivley wrecked
[13:24] <pitti> but yeah, a day with XFCE was illustrative :)
[13:24] <stgraber> pitti: here it was letting me report it, grabbing the logs and then compiz was being ignored due to supposedly being out of date (my system was updated about 10s before the crash so that seems unlikely) and u-s-d was duped to aonther bug report which wasn't the same used for the u-s-d fix
[13:25] <seb128> stgraber, pitti: there are some variants of the bt I think, refcont issues leading to slightly different errors
[13:26] <stgraber> ok
[13:27] <stgraber> well, I guess someone will have to do some serious bug cleanup for u-s-d and compiz in the next few days to clear up all the related crashes :)
[13:27] <seb128> lol
[13:28] <seb128> I think people stopped fighting launchpad noise
[13:29] <stgraber> pitti: btw, shouldn't we be flipping some kind of flag about now to get crashes to errors.u.c instead of uploaded to LP?
[13:29] <pitti> stgraber: ah yes, that shold be on the "release checklist"
[13:29] <stgraber> pitti: also, are you in a session or are we both chatting from opposite side of the lobby or something? :)
[13:29] <pitti> stgraber: I'll upload apport, then the release team can accept at their convenience
[13:29] <stgraber> ok, thanks
[13:29] <pitti> stgraber: I'm in room 2, for some comfy hacking
[13:30] <pitti> basically, last chance to get something done for 14.10 and also jessie
[13:30] <stgraber> yeah, I guess infinity and I will go through the checklist on Friday and upload everything before we leave Düsseldorf
[13:33] <smoser> joy. i seem to be in a routing black hole to bugs.launchpad.net
[13:37] <mlankhorst> doko: sure, if we need it then no choice :P
[13:37] <pitti> stgraber: apport uploaded for disabling LP crash reports
[13:37] <stgraber> thanks
[14:10] <doko> barry, you did it again ... system-image now pulling in pip via nose2 this time ...
[14:14] <barry> doko: i uploaded nose2 over a month ago.  why is that suddenly happening?
[14:15] <doko> barry, it has (or got) a build dependency on tox
[14:16] <barry> yeah, but there's been no new nose2 in a long time
[14:21] <doko> wine and cheese get better with aging, not software
[14:23] <infinity> barry: I can't quite sort out why it seems to have popped up on reports today, but it was a known problem for months, wasn't it?
[14:23] <barry> infinity: first i've heard of it
[14:24] <infinity> barry: Err, and no one uploaded nose2 "over a month ago", unless you count "over a year ago" as that.
[14:25] <barry> infinity: oops, yeah i misread the year in the changelog ;)
[14:25] <infinity> Ahh, and that's what confused the reports.  It was copied to main a month or so ago, then demoted to universe, which makes the reports say slightly different things.
[14:26] <barry> infinity: it's not an explicit dependency (i.e. not in d/control) but it must be getting pulled in via requires/setup
[14:26] <infinity> barry: Anyhow, this is absolutely not the first you've heard of it, we had a discussion, at length, about system-image pulling in pip/venv.  I remember, I was there.
[14:26] <barry> infinity: that was a different issue.  system-image had an explicit b-d on tox, which i fixed
[14:27] <infinity> barry: Ahh, but it now has an implicit one via nose2 having an explicit one. :)
[14:27] <barry> infinity: vice versa :)  it has an explicit b-d on nose2 which apparently has an implicit b-d on tox (it's not explicit in the d/control of nose2)
[14:29] <barry> there's a new nose2 on pypi, which i can look at, although they conveniently forgot to update their changelog :(  however, as i mentioned before, i still think it's a losing battle to keep tox out of main.  but whatever, we can just keep whacking the moles one by one
[14:29] <barry> infinity: so when's the archive reorg gonna land? :)
[14:29] <infinity> barry: Not before release.
[14:30] <barry> infinity: c'mon dude, you have at least 12h before final freeze, how much time do you need?
[14:31]  * barry will shut up now
[14:31] <infinity> barry: Erm, implicit build-depends?  How would that work?
[14:32] <barry> infinity: actually, yeah, that makes no sense.  let me investigate anyway
[14:32] <infinity> python-tox,
[14:32]  * barry was thinking implicit Depends
[14:32] <infinity> It's right there.
[14:32] <infinity> In d/control
[14:33] <barry> ah shit, your right.  i was looking at a different repo
[14:33] <barry> well, let me see if i can get rid of that
[14:35]  * barry curses udd
[14:40] <mvo> *grumpf* bug #1381570
[14:40] <ogra_> lol, what ?
[14:48] <barry> infinity, doko nose2_0.4.7-2ubuntu1
[14:50] <infinity> barry: So, the build-dep wasn't actually necessary?
[14:50] <barry> infinity: no
[14:50] <barry> infinity: tests were never run at build time anyway
[14:50] <barry> :/
[14:51] <infinity> barry: Unfortunate, but at least not a regression.
[14:51] <mvo> ogra_: upgrade explodes in spectacular ways if libuuid has a login shell, I'm fixing it now
[14:51] <infinity> barry: Could the tests be turned into dep-8 tests, which don't have to have pocket consistency?
[14:53] <barry> infinity: probably, but as i've said before, as tox becomes more prevalent, this will increase the pressure to delta from debian over time.  this is a band-aid but not a long-term solution.
[14:53]  * mvo chuckles at version number 1:0.30.0~git20131003.d20b8d+really20110821-0.2ubuntu13
[14:53] <infinity> barry: Well, the same "run them as dep-8 instead of build-time" solution is perfectly reasonable for Debian too.
[14:54] <infinity> barry: But perhaps we can revisit the pip/venv-in-main situation, just not this week.
[14:54] <barry> infinity: right, but because debian doesn't have the same restriction, if a dd uploads a package that runs tox tests at build time, we will have to delta it if it's a main package.  i don't think we can reasonably tell debian devs not to do that because ubuntu.
[14:54] <bdmurray> seb128: the error tracker retracing queues were reset yesterday
[14:55] <barry> infinity: oh fer sher.  let's do talk about it for vain vulture
[14:55] <infinity> barry: vindictive velociraptor.
[14:56] <barry> infinity: anyway, please review, but i think in this case mole is whacked
[14:56] <barry> infinity: much better :)
[14:56] <barry> vulgar vole?
[14:56] <infinity> barry: Nothing to review, really.  The delta is obvious (and it already built).
[14:56] <barry> coolio
[14:57] <infinity> So, we'll see how this settles down component-mismatches once it publishes and migrates.
[14:57] <barry> infinity: one other thing to think about... later.  that c-m email notification is not super helpful.  it doesn't mention the packages affected afaict
[14:58] <infinity> barry: The email is literally just the diff between the previous run and the current, it does no analysis.
[14:59] <infinity> barry: The svg is often the simplest analysis tool.
[14:59] <infinity> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:59] <barry> yeah.
[14:59] <rbasak> barry: +1. The email doesn't tell me if I need to act, or if someone else will take care of it. Without investigating each individual email. So I look at the SVG like infinity says. But at that point, the email is just a notification to look at the SVG, and most of the time it doesn't affect me.
[15:00] <barry> rbasak: and the email doesn't even include a link to the svg, so unless you already know where to look, it still isn't helpful ;)
[15:00] <infinity> pitti: Is that util-linux upload the same change that was made in Debian for that bug?
[15:01] <infinity> pitti: I feel like there was more to it, but I haven't been watching closely.  We might actually want to try a merge and see how scary it is.
[15:05] <infinity> mvo: Oh, the above to pitti was meant to be for you.
[15:06] <mvo> infinity: yeah, the initial patch was too simple, I upload the debian version of it now
[15:11] <infinity> hallyn: I intend to approve this slof MIR, can we get a qemu upload where qemu-system-ppc recommends or depends on qemu-slof instead of suggesting it?
[15:12] <jamespage> mterry, thanks for the MIR reviews....
[15:12] <mterry> jamespage, yw!  :)
[15:18] <doko> jamespage, just saw https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuskar/0.4.2-2
[15:18] <jamespage> doko, oh
[15:19] <jamespage> doko, yeah more openstack sprawl
[15:19] <jamespage> I'll look
[15:19] <jamespage> doko, oh zigo epoched novaclient
[15:19]  * jamespage goes to see why
[15:21] <Laney> seb128: did you hear from mlankhorst about the i386 vm/llvm issue?
[15:22] <zigo> jamespage: Ghe Rivero added the first 1: when the version went from 2.6.7 to 2012, which IMO wasn't needed, then we moved to 2: when it went back to 2.x scheme ...
[15:22] <mlankhorst> Laney: should be fixed I think :P we set a more sane cpu in the autopkgtest now
[15:22] <seb128> Laney, no
[15:22] <jamespage> zigo, yeah that was quite a while ago now
[15:23] <zigo> Yup.
[15:23] <seb128> Laney, seems you get his attention though ;è)
[15:23] <Laney> mlankhorst: not that
[15:23] <seb128> ;-)
[15:23] <jamespage> zigo, I'll tweak tuskar for ubuntu versions; we'll talk about epoch alignment next cycle
[15:23] <infinity> mlankhorst: How does "setting a more sane CPU" make it not a bug anymore?
[15:24] <infinity> mlankhorst: Not all i386 machines are as new as the one you're now emulating.
[15:24] <zigo> jamespage: So you need to fix tuskar's depends when importing it because of that epoc?
[15:24] <zigo> jamespage: FYI, I'm planning on removing Tuskar from Jessie when it gets frozen.
[15:24] <Laney> The current problem is that booting an i386 vm (with "qemu-system-i386 -enable-kvm -monitor stdio -m 1024 -cdrom utopic-desktop-i386.iso", for example) fails to bring up unity7 and logs have the same 'cannot split operator' message.
[15:24] <jamespage> zigo, oh - not good then?
[15:24] <zigo> jamespage: As well as all TripleO stuff, Designate and probably more.
[15:24] <jamespage> I might just request it removed
[15:25] <zigo> jamespage: I don't think it's production ready, and I'm sure I wont get upstream support for long enough.
[15:25] <zigo> jamespage: Yeah, just ask it to get removed.
[15:25] <zigo> jamespage: Oh, and Ironic too ...
[15:25] <zigo> jamespage: But that's stuff from Icehouse.
[15:25] <jamespage> zigo, I have an ironic maintainer
[15:26] <jamespage> (thanks adam_g)
[15:26] <zigo> jamespage: The stuff from Icehouse are not production ready (no driver in Nova Icehouse anyway...), though Juno should be good enough.
[15:26] <jamespage> zigo, yeah - this was for juno
[15:27] <zigo> jamespage: For Juno, it's only in Experimental, you know that, right?
[15:27] <jamespage> zigo, oh yes
[15:28] <zigo> jamespage: You got to get the latest openstack-pkg-tools where I did some fixes to support better systemd & upstart. I generate these now ...
[15:28] <zigo> (as well as the sysv-rc scripts btw...)
[15:28] <jamespage> doko, bug 1381601
[15:29] <jamespage> zigo, next cycle :-)
[15:29] <jamespage> zigo, systemd configs will def be an objective - might be a good opporunity to re-align Debian/Ubuntu a bit
[15:31] <zigo> jamespage: What I did is *very* basic for systemd. Basically, I just took the init script dependency, and dumped it in the .service file, and then I call "systemd-start" from the init script in the .service file.
[15:31] <doko> jamespage, it's only in -proposed
[15:31] <zigo> jamespage: I'd like to do things a way better ...
[15:32] <zigo> jamespage: It'd be a good idea IMO, if we could work that out together.
[15:32] <jamespage> doko, does that make a difference? right now its cluttering the proposed break list imho
[15:43] <Laney> mlankhorst: indeed it boots fully if I pass -cpu core2duo
[15:45] <infinity> Laney: Right, which means the bug isn't fixed, IMO.  That's a workaround.
[15:45] <infinity> mlankhorst: ^
[15:46] <Laney> Yes
[15:49] <doko> jamespage, removed
[15:49] <jamespage> doko, thanks!
[15:49] <doko> bdmurray, any idea about the whoopsie ftbfs?
[15:50] <doko> jpds, strongswan ping
[15:50] <jpds> doko: Yep, I've had test builds running this afternoon.
[15:51] <infinity> Laney: Oh, unless it's a qemu bug.  When you boot without a -cpu, it might be reporting the wrong caps for what it's emulating. :/
[15:52] <bdmurray> doko: yeah, there are some test failures (due to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~daisy-pluckers/whoopsie/trunk/revision/633) I'm trying to sort out (without much luck)
[15:56] <jamespage> mvo, I'd quite like to get that cloud-archive:juno fix into software-properties in trusty asap - are you planning any updates or shall I SRU away
[15:56] <jamespage> ?
[16:00] <mvo> jamespage: just SRU, I have no plans right now
[16:00] <jamespage> mvo, ack
[16:13] <hallyn> infinity: yup, I can push that.  after the partay i suppose
[16:13] <hallyn> infinity: thanks, that'll cut down on a lot of (frustrating for the user) bug reports :)
[16:15] <tych0> hi, does anyone know what package gives me /usr/bin/write?
[16:15] <mlankhorst> infinity: yeah but I have no idea what the fuck the real fix has to be
[16:15] <tych0> apt-file doesn't shed any light
[17:20] <rbasak> doko: jpds has a fix for strongswan that I'm happy to sponsor, but it involves the same as we did for python-greenlet - ditch the version in utopic-proposed, and a packaging bump to the version in utopic to fix the FTBFS from the rebuild test.
[17:20] <rbasak> Is this acceptable
[17:20] <rbasak> ?
[17:21] <rbasak> (this would be 5.1.2-0ubuntu3)
[17:21] <rbasak>  strongswan | 5.1.2-0ubuntu2   | utopic           | source, all
[17:21] <rbasak>  strongswan | 5.1.3-0ubuntu1   | utopic-proposed  | source, all
[17:23] <rbasak> He's already prepared 5.2.0 for V, but it looks too invasive for Utopic IMHO.
[17:23] <rbasak> So I think it's unlikely we'll want 5.1.3-0ubuntu1, which FTBFS on arm64 and ppc64el anyway.
[18:01] <doko> rbasak, sure, sounds fine
[18:18] <doko> apw, could you have a look at the keyutils ftbfs, and if that might be a kernel issue on the buildds? I think these are still running precise
[21:00] <geomyidae_> If checkinstall misses some files (I don't know/understand how) then do I have any recourse to still use checkinstall, or do I have to go the full packaging route?
[21:08] <geomyidae_> Can someone point me to how ubuntu pkgs are built by the build server? For example, the args passed to ./configure, make, the process for building the DEB etc?
[21:08] <geomyidae_> Surely this is automated
[21:16] <cjwatson> geomyidae_: of course, it's controlled from debian/rules in each package
[21:16] <cjwatson> geomyidae_: the build servers use dpkg-buildpackage to do the work
[21:17] <cjwatson> by the way, "deb" is not an acronym and should not be capitalised
[21:17] <geomyidae_> cjwatson: cool. those are probably the keywords I need to get going. Also, didn't know that, will keep in mind. :) Cheers.
[21:20] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I don't know anything about checkinstall though
[21:26] <Saviq> sergiusens, hey, could ciborium not notify on almost every boot about a SD card that's permanently in there?
[21:27] <sergiusens> Saviq: I can remove that for on start or you can do what ogra_ did and disable notifiations from system settings
[21:27] <sergiusens> Saviq: to be fair, users aren't expected to reboot every 5 minutes and I guess that's where you are getting annoyed
[21:28] <sergiusens> Saviq: there's a design review next week (finally), so I rather wait to see what happens there if you don't mind
[21:28] <Saviq> sergiusens, right, point taken
[21:28] <Saviq> sergiusens, it wasn't a "fix it now!" comment ;)
[21:28] <sergiusens> Saviq: I know, but it annoys me too, and then I recall I'm not acting as a user :-)
[23:02] <sage__> Is the 14.10 release candidate ready for download yet?
[23:06] <cjwatson> sage__: wouldn't expect that for another 36 hours or more


[01:06] <Omega> Muscovy: Hey!
[01:06] <Muscovy> Hello.
[01:06] <Omega> I have a long weekend too!
[01:06] <Muscovy> :D
[01:07] <Omega> Let's start working today?
[01:07] <Muscovy> I just pulled the alpha branch and took a look at some of the stuff MadnessRed did.
[01:07] <Omega> Will do the same
[01:12] <Omega> Haha, I just tried using git pull in the bzr branch :P
[01:12] <Omega> Which failed and I deleted the directories, afterwards realizing that they were brz branches.
[01:13] <Omega> Oh well, I'm branching anew again :P