[12:00] <bud_> tamale: than i think it should work on kernel 2.6
[12:00] <bud_> tamale: wait a second
[12:00] <tamale> bud_:  how do i try - it's just two RPM files
[12:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/logitech_en_amr.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=74&p_created=1083959732&p_sid=1Pwuq7Zh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSZwX3Byb2RzPTg0NCw1JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0yLjUmcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PWxpbnV4&p_li=&p_topview=1
[12:00] <globe> timfrost, I was afraid you would say that (I would).
[12:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> whoa
[12:00] <Papoose> how do I install the Samba package on Ubuntu?
[12:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sorry people
[12:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I had no idea the link would be that long O_O
[12:01] <bimberi> mjbjr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport and http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:01] <mjbjr> thanks
[12:01] <Mitch_Owen> Hey guys, anyone know of a general wireless controller program for ubuntu?
[12:01] <bud_> tamale: thats no good
[12:01] <mika0800> confirmed: the *wrong* 3c905 module is NOT loaded. So, it seems that even if the kernel tries to load a wromg module, it will not be loaded because a 905 NIC does not exist
[12:01] <bimberi> mjbjr: yw :)
[12:01] <Mitch_Owen> like KwifiManager without installing KDE?
[12:01] <IdleOne> !tell Papoose  about samba
[12:01] <tamale> bud_:  well, that's what linksys has on their site
[12:01] <Delvien> Anyone remember how to check your FPS??
[12:01] <bud_> tamale: http://network.free-driver-download.com/Linksys/14924/Linksys-EG1032-v2-Gigabit-Network-Adapter-Driver-1.30-Windows-Linux.html
[12:01] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: here's what it said "bus 001 device 003: ID 041e:401c creative techonology, ltd webcam nx [PD1110]
[12:01] <bud_> have you tried that
[12:02] <bimberi> ubotu tell Delvien about glxgears
[12:02] <joshua> anyone?
[12:02] <tamale> bud_:  I think that's exactly waht i downloaded
[12:02] <joshua> how do i clear my Creative nano, i deleted the folders but the mp3 player only has 53 mb space and its a 256mb :( can anyone help?i used the creative cd software in windows to clean it before but i dont know an app for linux ??
[12:02] <bud_> tamale: that is zip file
[12:02] <mika0800> And, again the network does not work at all. Last time I got it working using some command I found from a Linux guide book. (And doing so misusing my network, because the book only gave a hint how to assign a permanent IP but not how to order the NIC to get one by DHCP)
[12:02] <bimberi> joshua: empty the Trash ?
[12:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: k
[12:03] <tamale> bud_:  Yes, and in the "linux" folder in that zip file, there are two more folders - 2.2 and 2.4, and in each of those folders are two RPM files
[12:03] <bud_> tamale: ah ok
[12:03] <Delvien> bimberi thanks
[12:03] <huhn_2punkt0> (00:00:07) <pinkisntwell> huhn_2punkt0: you can always install normal ubuntu (with gnome) and go from there| I'll try that
[12:03] <egon_> Can anybody give me a pointer at installing Unbuntu (5.10, server install) on a SATA drive?  The install procedure doesn't see it...
[12:03] <huhn_2punkt0> but not today
[12:03] <bimberi> Delvien: np :)
[12:03] <huhn_2punkt0> already late
[12:03] <huhn_2punkt0> thanks
[12:03] <tamale> bud_:  WAIT
[12:03] <tamale> bud_:  there's a install-612.tar.bz2 file too
[12:03] <Delvien> bimberi thats a ridiculous command :p
[12:03] <pinkisntwell> huhn_2punkt0: you might want to check to make sure your network card is supported in ubuntu
[12:04] <tamale> lemme put that on my flash drive and put it on the linux machine
[12:04] <bimberi> Delvien: lol
[12:04] <Orborde> I have a problem involving chroot. I'm on a 64bit system, and since Flash doesn't run 64bit, I set up a chroot to contain Firefox and other 32bit-dependent things. The problem is, however, I cannot get them to share the same /etc/resolv.conf ; the chroot's version never gets updated by the DHCP thing, even though I've tried hardlinking it to the main system copy. Why won't hardlinking work?
[12:04] <globe> thanks all....appreciate your help and patience with an n00b! ;-D
[12:04] <bud_> tamale: untar the package
[12:05] <bango> hoy hoy
[12:05] <OldSpiceAP> hoy ho
[12:05] <bango> what's all this then?
[12:05] <bud_> tamale: what kernel versio do you have
[12:05] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: any idea on which driver I should use
[12:05] <tamale> bud_:  2.6
[12:05] <poningru> !tell bango about ubuntu
[12:06] <bud_> tamale: type uname -r
[12:06] <narles> does firefox play embedded movies with ubuntu using totem ???
[12:06] <OldSpiceAP> Anyone here up for a major helpme challenge? No one else understands my problem.
[12:06] <OldSpiceAP> ?
[12:06] <bango> I just installed ubuntu yesterday
[12:06] <narles> i read on the forums that it doesn't.. so i installed mplayer plugins.. but i am starting to like totem...
[12:06] <IdleOne> OldSpiceAP>  ask
[12:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: Working on it...
[12:06] <sapo> hi all, anyone here using nvidia with 3d in dapper?
[12:06] <_jason> narles, by default it should, but I prefer the mplayerplug-in
[12:06] <Delvien> i wish they had more Mp3 player support other than ipod...
[12:06] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: same here
[12:06] <diablo69> :)
[12:06] <joshua> bimberi: thanks :) such an obvious solution hehe .. had me baffled :D
[12:06] <bud_> tamale: what does uname -r said
[12:06] <tamale> bud_: 2.6.12-8-386
[12:06] <mika0800> yes: the book gives something like this: ifconfig <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up
[12:06] <OldSpiceAP> Why would the entire contents of my home directory dissappear?  about 10 gigs ?
[12:07] <OldSpiceAP> its not moutned seperately or anything.. it is just gone.
[12:07] <narles> _jason, mplayer works better as a firefox plugin you would say?
[12:07] <mika0800> So, how do I do otherwise the same but I want to use DHCP ?
[12:07] <OldSpiceAP> only the mnt and Desktop directories are left
[12:07] <_jason> narles, yep
[12:07] <bango> jigs, that's unfortunate OldSpiceAP
[12:07] <bud_> tamale: try to upgrade your kernel to 2.6.12-9-386
[12:07] <tamale> bud_:  don't I need a netowkring connection to do that
[12:07] <bimberi> joshua: np (i had the same baffling experience) :)
[12:08] <edoardo> i've done it
[12:08] <edoardo> you guys
[12:08] <mika0800> And, I want to stay at 2.6.10 kernel, but still would like to get my network working !
[12:08] <OldSpiceAP> Well, I know what I was doing when it happened... I attempted to run limewire as root, because running as a regular user failed.  Running as root worked fine.  I decided to log out and in to let bashrc update and my home dir was empty
[12:08] <edoardo> all i had to do was set BroweAddress to IF(eth0)
[12:08] <narles> does anyone know how to check how much space is used and free on your ubuntu partition?
[12:08] <bud_> tamale: yes
[12:08] <bud_> tamale: try this http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=165245&st=0
[12:08] <midwinter> narles: df -h
[12:08] <kameron> New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf)
[12:08] <kameron> can i give it just any ttf?
[12:09] <_jason> narles, others swear by the vlc plugin.  Some like using the MediaPlayerConnectivity extension to play embedded videos in there preferred player
[12:09] <_jason> narles, in a terminal: df
[12:09] <mika0800> how come the command ifconfig knows what is "eth0" but the command "ifup" does not ?!
[12:09] <_jason> narles, 'df -h'  may be easier to read
[12:09] <stevr1it> hi
[12:09] <Hendy> narles: of the choices available, I'd probably pick the mplayer plugin for Firefox.
[12:10] <stevr1it> can you help me. I have two problems. I have installe LICQ e gnome ICQ but both do not work
[12:10] <bud_> tamale: is that good link that i gave you
[12:11] <WildZeck> stevr1it, try gaim
[12:11] <egon_> Anybody have experience trying to get a Penguin Computing Relion 1300 to install with Breezy?  Mine won't seem to see the hard drive...
[12:11] <jamie> I am having an Issue with Ubuntu install program. I am installing on sata drives and want to use a custom partitioning scheme. I am used to Gentoo. I am trying /boot as etc3, /home as reiserfs, / as reiserfs and swap. It keeps failing with these custom options. But if I use the automatic options it installs fine. Is it the reiserfs? or does it not like custom options?
[12:11] <tamale> bud_:  It says he got it working using syskonnect
[12:11] <tamale> bud_:  I don't know what that is
[12:11] <bud_> tamale: look that part for kernel
[12:11] <stevr1it> ok
[12:12] <bud_> tamale: which module you have to load or out it in kernel
[12:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php?page=cams and http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html look promising. :)
[12:12] <bud_> tamale: put it in
[12:12] <bud_> tamale: have you ever compiled kernel
[12:12] <tamale> bud_:  Nope
[12:12] <tamale> bud_:  This is my first lnux instal :]
[12:12] <narles> _jason, i would use VLC.. but i'm having problems with sound.. VLC can't find the audio codec qdm2...
[12:12] <jamie> Help! I am having an Issue with Ubuntu install program. I am installing on sata drives and want to use a custom partitioning scheme. I am used to Gentoo. I am trying /boot as etc3, /home as reiserfs, / as reiserfs and swap. It keeps failing with these custom options. But if I use the automatic options it installs fine. Is it the reiserfs? or does it not like custom options?
[12:13] <bud_> tamale: well this could help
[12:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: Also http://forum.kanotix.net/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-4513.html <- this page mainly has instructions that someone else was following, but apparently they have the same camera as you.
[12:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: It's where I picked up the other two links.
[12:13] <mika0800> any idea, how to use ifconfig if I want to configure my NIC  using DHCP ?
[12:13] <Hendikins|Work> jamie: Patience. If somebody can assist you they will do so. Please wait at least 10 minutes before repeating the question.
[12:13] <tamale> bud_:  Unfortunately, I have to run right now... can I reach you via AIM / ICQ / MSN lateR?
[12:13] <johnes123> i cannot mount an external 80GB FAT32 parition in gnome--any ideas?
[12:13] <bud_> tamale: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85064
[12:13] <mika0800> (with fixed IP, I already would know the answer)
[12:13] <narles> _jason, i installed the win32 codecs.. and even the gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.8.7 file which supposdly fixes qdm2, but it didn't help VLC either
[12:13] <bud_> tamale: try with thic
[12:13] <jamie> Hendikins, sorry
[12:14] <Hendikins|Work> jamie: It's just it gets a bit hectic in here, that's all :-)
[12:14] <_jason> narles, according to http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html, vlc doesn't have qdm2 as a feature.  I don't know if there is a way to add it in
[12:14] <narles> _jason, ok.. so other forms of media that don't require it should work with VLC?
[12:15] <_jason> narles, should.  Do you have an example file I could try that requires qdm2?
[12:15] <bud_> tamale: have you seen messages
[12:15] <Kr0ntab> whats goin on people...
[12:15] <OldSpiceAP> no one knows eh lol sad times
[12:15] <Kr0ntab> howdy...
[12:15] <tamale> bud_:  yes, i added you to ICQ
[12:15] <tamale> thanks
[12:15] <bdevel> Hello World,  I think i hosed my install... I did a "apt-get -f install" and it removed move like 50 packages... And now I can't install anything new because it complains I have a newer version of cpp-4.0, gcc++4.0 then the default ubuntu install.. So, how do I force it to install packages (even if I have newer verions)
[12:15] <bud_> tamale: np
[12:15] <tamale> bud_: my icq is 123249595
[12:15] <narles> _jason, yes
[12:15] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, what is the issue you are having?
[12:15] <OldSpiceAP> I think I'll just ditch ubuntu then - this crap shouldn't happen.... well.. or at least ditch ext3
[12:15] <edoardo> you guys, does anyone in here use ivman?
[12:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: Try 'sudo modprobe spca5xx'
[12:15] <bud_> tamale: ok i will add you
[12:15] <OldSpiceAP> Why would the entire contents of my home directory dissappear?  about 10 gigs ?
[12:16] <OldSpiceAP> gnomefreak sadly no one has an answer
[12:16] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: can't I install the source code for the kernel with a deb package
[12:16] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, have you done a mv command?
[12:16] <OldSpiceAP> no
[12:16] <johnes123> I cannot mount an external 80GB FAT32 partition in gnome -- any ideas?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[12:16] <pundai> OldSpiceAP, i've used linux for 6 years, ext3 for a while now and i've never had that... are you sure you didn't do something stupid
[12:16] <pundai> (i've done that)
[12:16] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, what version of ubuntu?
[12:16] <mika0800> ok, for others who have network problems with 2.6 -series kernels: I previously reported  that I got my NIC at least partially working. True, but I only did it by misusing my network by assigning a fixed IP even when I should have udes DHCP instead, but do not know how
[12:16] <clanpipe> hi
[12:16] <ColonelPanique> OldSpiceAP : hint: whatever happened, is probably your own fault. ;-)
[12:16] <OldSpiceAP> lol its 5.10
[12:16] <OldSpiceAP> I figured that but I know exactly what commands  I did that caused it - but don't see why they did
[12:17] <pundai> well you ran something as root apparently
[12:17] <pundai> and you probably did sudo
[12:17] <johnes123> {i cannot mount an external 80GB FAT32 parition in gnome--any ideas?}
[12:17] <egon_> Anybody have experience trying to get a Penguin Computing Relion 1300 (primary HD is SATA) to install with Breezy?  Mine won't seem to see the hard drive...
[12:18] <mika0800> I think I will try the same again. Or, should I do *almost* the same but get a fixed IP outside of my DCHP area? (I limited the DHCP area so the last byte is always 0..127) so I can use numbers over 128 for fixed IP's, right ?
[12:18] <narles> _jason, this movie won't play in VLC when i downloaded and tried it
[12:18] <narles> _jason, http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/1647089/
[12:18] <thegladiator> #kubuntu
[12:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: Does modprobe spca5xx work?
[12:18] <diablo69> nope
[12:18] <ColonelPanique> pundai : from his exaplanation of the issue, that really has nothing to do with it.  he lost most of his home directory content, which he probably owned anyway, so he wouldn't have needed root privs for that.
[12:18] <diablo69> can't find modporb
[12:18] <diablo69> modprob
[12:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> modprobe
[12:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 'sudo modprobe spca5xx'
[12:19] <OldSpiceAP> I'm putting together a synopisis of exactly what I did
[12:19] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, 5.10 hasnt had that issue ever as far as i remember seeing. if you did some kind of cp or mv or something commadn than look to where you copied it or moved it to. as for ditching ext3 that wouldnt have caused it it would have caused alot more issue than just that, btw ext2 and 3 are same 3 has journeling. open up a file search and search for a file you had in home dir. it should be somewhere once you find that file yo
[12:19] <gnomefreak> u can bet the rest are same place than just mv it back to /home/username
[12:19] <OldSpiceAP> it'll be in nopaste in a sec
[12:19] <_jason> narles, ha I remember this episode.  Plays fine for me but i compiled vlc8.5 from source
[12:19] <pinkisntwell> OldSpiceAP said that limewire did this after he ran it with sudo
[12:19] <diablo69> ohh one sec
[12:19] <narles> really
[12:19] <OldSpiceAP> searches don't see the files
[12:19] <OldSpiceAP> grep either
[12:20] <gnomefreak> thats not good :(
[12:20] <CodenameKT> l
[12:20] <narles> _jason, haha... was a pretty good episode back in the day
[12:20] <nekostar> eh
[12:20] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: didn't do anything
[12:20] <narles> _jason, so does VLC support most media types.. sans ones that need qdm2?
[12:20] <nekostar> when i use traceroute www.sitehere.com i only get 1 * * * 2 * * *  etc
[12:20] <nekostar> what could possibly be wrong with it
[12:21] <_jason> narles, yeah, won't play wmv either I think
[12:21] <[|Triple|] > !breezy
[12:21] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[12:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: k
[12:22] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: what did you do yesterday
[12:22] <narles> _jason, does Totem or mplayer?
[12:22] <Darky469> annyone  has  experience  with  WINE ?
[12:22] <johnes123> i cannot mount an external 80GB FAT32 parition in gnome--any ideas?
[12:22] <mwe> Darky469: well some
[12:22] <OldSpiceAP> http://rafb.net/paste/results/6t9ANy12.nln.html  <--- That is what I did that caused this issue
[12:22] <OldSpiceAP> diablo69 I have some wine expirence yes
[12:23] <Darky469> oke  mwe ,  can u  help  me  with it  ?
[12:23] <_jason> narles, yes, once you install w32codecs.  I'd recommend you install totem-xine though (the default one uses gstreamer)
[12:23] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, connected via USB?
[12:23] <OldSpiceAP> though I'm on a breaking habit today
[12:23] <mwe> Darky469: I don't know. ask and I'll try
[12:23] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, yes
[12:23] <_jason> ubotu, tell narles about w32codecs
[12:23] <egon_> Anybody have experience trying to get a Penguin Computing Relion 1300 (primary HD is SATA) to install with Breezy?  Mine won't seem to see the hard drive...
[12:23] <narles> _jason, i have the w32codecs installed
[12:24] <Darky469> i have  win  installed  on my  ubunbu,  and  now  i wanna  use  a  application  from windows
[12:24] <OldSpiceAP> which app specifically?
[12:24] <mwe> Darky469: yes?
[12:24] <narles> _jason, i would be willing to compile VLC from source.. how did youd o it?
[12:24] <_jason> narles, then you should be able to play wmv's except for the latest version.  I think wmv10?
[12:24] <Darky469>  but  the  only thing  a  get acces  to is  notepad
[12:24] <mwe> Darky469: you know only a very limitid number of programs work?
[12:24] <Darky469>  that works
[12:24] <Kr0ntab> by default ubuntu's kernel has the usb storage modules loaded...  you simply need to mount the drive with the appropriate commands...
[12:24] <Kr0ntab> what have you tried
[12:24] <OldSpiceAP> actually alot os stuff works now
[12:24] <OldSpiceAP> most everything
[12:24] <Darky469>  no  i'm new  under linux
[12:24] <OldSpiceAP> at least somewhat
[12:24] <mwe> um no
[12:24] <Darky469>   tell u what i  want
[12:24] <mwe> like less than 1%
[12:25] <narles> _jason, my goal is to use mplayer for embedded movies.. and VLC for movies on my system
[12:25] <sagarp> every time i boot up, X tries to use nvidia driver 7667 instead of 8168, and i have to reinstall the 8178 module before st arting X...what's going on!?
[12:25] <OldSpiceAP> True I only run maybe 10-20 win apps but they all work
[12:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: yesterday?
[12:25] <Darky469>  i  try to get  the  explorere  or opera  under windows  working in wine
[12:25] <mwe> Darky469: that's probably hard. frankscorner.org has guides
[12:25] <OldSpiceAP> gnomefreak - any ideas on my troubles?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, did you run locate <packagename> by chance by what you said and what i read there is something else wrong
[12:25] <_jason> narles, I just followed this: http://www.nanocrew.net/2005/09/01/compiling-vlc/ .  However when you install something from source do not use 'make install'.  Instead use 'checkinstall'.  Checkinstall will create a package so you can easily remove it in synaptic or apt-get.  I just use mplayer for everything.
[12:26] <OldSpiceAP> opera has a linux native version
[12:26] <damnhil> where can I find the log of apt-get to search the packages I installed?
[12:26] <mjbjr> looking at the package db, I see this:   sylpheed (2.1.1-1ubuntu0.1) [universe]  [security]       what do 'universe' and 'security' mean?
[12:26] <_jason> ubotu, tell narles about checkinstall
[12:26] <johnes123> when i use mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/USB i get mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[12:26] <mwe> Darky469: and I believe winehq has a compatiblity list
[12:26] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: yeah like yesterday I was on the hwy with my underglow on in my 94 eclispe, and I raced a acura rsx and beta it :)
[12:26] <OldSpiceAP> gnomefreak - I'm not sure I understood what you meant?
[12:26] <Darky469> i have the time  to find  out  , the reason i want that  is  that macromedia shockwave  don't work  under linux
[12:26] <mwe> johnes123: so you don't have that hardware. find the right device name
[12:27] <gnomefreak> the command locate use it to see if it can locate a file that was in your homedir
[12:27] <diablo69> beat*
[12:27] <mwe> johnes123: or check that your hardware is recognized
[12:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: lol
[12:27] <Darky469> and  my  kids  want to go to some  sites  that needed  macromedia shockwave
[12:27] <OldSpiceAP> I tried locate, find, and grep for some text files that used to be there
[12:27] <narles> _jason, thanks..  i'll play around with it
[12:27] <Darky469>  like  habbohotel.nl
[12:27] <stevr1it> great now gaim works as icq
[12:27] <johnes123> the hardware is not recognized
[12:27] <stevr1it> thank you
[12:27] <Darky469>  to play a  game
[12:27] <gnomefreak> and your background is no longer what it was on your desktop?
[12:27] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: yeah man I googleld it and they ahve around 195 horse stock, and I was ahead of him by a good a 6 ft, and he had exaust, so I guess my non turbo eclipse is rougly 220 hp
[12:27] <mwe> johnes123: duh. then you can't mount it
[12:28] <mwe> johnes123: what is it?
[12:28] <jamie> I am having an Issue with Ubuntu install program. I am installing on sata drives and want to use a custom partitioning scheme. I am trying /boot as etc3 100M , /home as reiserfs 100G, / as reiserfs 50G and swap 2G. It keeps failing with these custom options. But if I use the automatic options it installs fine. Is it the reiserfs? or does it not like custom options?
[12:28] <stevr1it> now the second proble is the modem that does not work, this is a laptop acer 2500 internal modem, who can help me?
[12:28] <OldSpiceAP> gnomefreak my wallpaper was stored in my home folder
[12:28] <McJerry> i am using ubuntu, how would i tell someone to enable remote desktop to allow others to view and connect on kubuntu?
[12:28] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, in one terminal... type "tail -f /var/log/messages"... then plug in yer HD....
[12:28] <OldSpiceAP> and all of my hidden directories are still there
[12:28] <johnes123> mwe, it's Western Digital WD800
[12:28] <OldSpiceAP> just the non dot directories dissappeared
[12:28] <mwe> jamie: custom worked for me with reiserfs
[12:28] <Kr0ntab> this will give you some useful information
[12:29] <mwe> johnes123: what kind of drive is that?
[12:29] <jamie> mwe, what partitions did you use?
[12:29] <nightwatch> !make-kpkg
[12:29] <ubotu> Wish i knew, nightwatch
[12:29] <mwe> jamie: just one big / and a 2GB swap
[12:29] <_jason> narles, np.  You won't be able to find the file to get wmv support, but the comments point you to: http://multimedia.cx/eggs/?p=129 and you can get it there.
[12:29] <gnomefreak> ok OldSpiceAP what did you mean by shortcuts and stuff gone? did you have shortcuts on your desktop for your home dir.?
[12:29] <johnes123> mwe, it's one partition 80GB FAT32
[12:29] <CodenameKT> jamie: it might be best if u make all partitions reiser
[12:29] <stevr1it> who canhelp me to set up my internal modem? how to recognise it and have it working?
[12:29] <mwe> johnes123: yeah but sata or what?
[12:30] <johnes123> mwe, i'm not sure how to check?
[12:30] <CodenameKT> stevr1it it probably is a soft modem and unsupported
[12:30] <jamie> CodenameKT,  I am used to having to use etc3 ad /boot in gentoo you sure that is ok? and is /boot even useful with ubuntu
[12:30] <Darky469> mwe tnx  for that site , have  a  look at it now
[12:30] <bimberi> McJerry: vino-preferences (in a terminal)
[12:30] <OldSpiceAP> No, I had a transparant panel with some icons in it that were links to common apps.. a launcher or dock I suppose... the icons for those programs were in my home dir but when I logged in they are now all default gnome icons as their custom icons are gone gnomefreak
[12:30] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: will be back later man, I am goign to head up to blockbuster soon and hopefully race on the way there
[12:30] <mwe> johnes123: you don't know if it's scsi or not?
[12:30] <stevr1it> how can i know it?
[12:31] <jamie> CodenameKT, what I really care about is the /home being different partition and reiser on that and /
[12:31] <bimberi> McJerry: ... or via ALT-F2
[12:31] <CodenameKT> jamie: yeah it is ok. and u prob don't need so much swap fyi
[12:31] <mjbjr> johnes123: try 'lshw', tho I'm not sure ubuntu has this utility
[12:31] <Kr0ntab> mwe, he said it was external....  perhaps USB?  firewire?
[12:31] <pundai> how do you revert to an earlier kernel with ubuntu
[12:31] <gnomefreak> mwe, let me know when you get a spare moment to make sure im not missing something on this paste that went wrong :(
[12:31] <jamie> CodenameKT, I am used to the old 2x memory thing. lol
[12:31] <CodenameKT> jamie: just reiser all of it
[12:31] <jamie> CodenameKT, ok i will try tks
[12:32] <johnes123> mjbjr, the command 'lshw' shows 'USB'
[12:32] <mwe> johnes123: try dmesg|less from a terminal and look for your drive
[12:32] <stevr1it> no possibility then to set up my internal modem?
[12:32] <mwe> gnomefreak: yes?
[12:32] <stevr1it> where could i check if thismodem is supported?
[12:32] <CodenameKT> stevr1it: just tell me what kind it is
[12:32] <gnomefreak> mwe http://rafb.net/paste/results/6t9ANy12.nln.html   look at that his hme dir dissappered and i cant see any command he used to do that
[12:33] <OldSpiceAP> gnomefreak what confuses me is that 10 gigs of data would take a good ammount of time to rm.  there was no disk clatter, etc... it vanished quietly.
[12:33] <stevr1it> i don't know
[12:33] <johnes123> mwe, the drive does not show up
[12:33] <stevr1it> how could i know it?
[12:33] <jamie> also what is the best way to get accelleration on my ATI X300 working, I used synaptic to add fglrx then changed ati to "fglrx in xorg.conf, it worked but my fps were not as high as i am used to
[12:33] <CodenameKT> stevr1it: 99% of the time if it is built into mobo it is controllerless and therefor is not supported. unless u have a really old mobo
[12:33] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, takes no time to delete things with right commands
[12:33] <mebaran151> has anyone successfully setup up eclipse for amd64 on Ubuntu
[12:33] <gnomefreak> or wrong ones too lol
[12:33] <mebaran151> it seems like a good ide
[12:33] <mebaran151> by the way
[12:33] <johnes123> mebaran151, i have set up eclipse
[12:33] <OldSpiceAP> yea but to delete something so that its inodes and datablocks are gone...
[12:33] <mjbjr> johnes123: does 'ls /dev' show an /dev/sda1  ?
[12:34] <mebaran151> what is the best simple text editor
[12:34] <mebaran151> johnes123, from the pkg's?
[12:34] <Kr0ntab> johnes123,   you can help us by typing "sudo fdisk -l" and pasting all the output into www.pastebin.com
[12:34] <OldSpiceAP> grep doesnt even find any traces of these files
[12:34] <priest> mebaran151, vi
[12:34] <stevr1it> i will check on the web
[12:34] <mebaran151> priest, other than vim
[12:34] <_jason> mebaran151, nano if you want simple
[12:34] <mebaran151> I need a grpahical
[12:34] <mebaran151> one
[12:34] <mebaran151> I use vim when I can
[12:34] <bimberi> stevr1it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[12:34] <priest> mebaran151, I didn't say Vim, i said Vi :P
[12:34] <mebaran151> but in this case I'd like something graphical
[12:34] <OldSpiceAP> I've run limewire before as sudo for testing purposes
[12:34] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, are you sure that is all you did?
[12:34] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, then give us the URL
[12:34] <CodenameKT> jamie: not sure I have ati my self but was only getting 30fps. It is possible it is because i am using default refresh rates that r probably low in comparison to what they actually r on monitor but I don't really know
[12:34] <mebaran151> because I'll be doing a lot of cp and paste
[12:34] <mwe> gnomefreak: that's odd.
[12:34] <OldSpiceAP> YEs because I turned on my pc for that tast
[12:34] <OldSpiceAP> task*
[12:34] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, not a good habit if you dont have to
[12:34] <OldSpiceAP> it was off before
[12:34] <priest> mebaran151,  if you don't like vi, try "ed".
[12:35] <OldSpiceAP> booted up fine, no trouble.
[12:35] <gnomefreak> mwe thats what im saying :)
[12:35] <gnomefreak> :(*
[12:35] <mebaran151> priest, cli?
[12:35] <OldSpiceAP> did that and it died - I did nothing else in between.
[12:35] <priest> mebaran151, yes.
[12:35] <jamie> CodenameKT, tks anyway
[12:35] <mwe> gnomefreak: trojan or something maybe
[12:35] <mebaran151> priest, I like vim for my cli work
[12:35] <OldSpiceAP> except a google search once I figured out what happened.
[12:35] <CodenameKT> jamie: yeah, hope i gave a little direction
[12:35] <mebaran151> but I would like a convenient graphical editor
[12:35] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, what did you use lime for?
[12:35] <mebaran151> kind of like gvim
[12:35] <gnomefreak> mwe i think you hit it
[12:35] <mebaran151> but without all the kludgery
[12:35] <jamie> CodenameKT, I appreciate it.
[12:35] <tuvok302> has anybody had trouble with getting the Intel536 driver to work?
[12:36] <priest> mebaran151, and you want a editor for X?
[12:36] <johnes123> mjbjr, no it does not
[12:36] <OldSpiceAP> Actually I didn't run it all the way.  I started it to see if it would freeze like it did as a regular user.  It asked me to go through the first run wizzard.  I killed it instead.
[12:36] <mebaran151> yeah bascially
[12:36] <OldSpiceAP> well canceled
[12:36] <priest> mebaran151, in that case, gvim is the shit :D
[12:36] <johnes123> mebaran151, i just used sudo apt-get install eclipse
[12:37] <mebaran151> johnes123, yeah
[12:37] <mebaran151> it's giving me classpath errors
[12:37] <stevr1it> yast lo riconosce (il
[12:37] <stevr1it> > modem) come ixp AC'97 aci technologies
[12:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> bbiab
[12:37] <mwe> mebaran151: bad java installation?
[12:37] <stevr1it> is it supported?
[12:37] <gnomefreak> im sorry OldSpiceAP i dont see anything you did that would have caused it im truthfully not sure what happpen  mwe  may be right could be trojan ot something
[12:37] <stevr1it> modem ixp AC'97 aci technologies
[12:37] <mwe> mebaran151: or missing CLASS_PATH
[12:37] <CodenameKT> stevr1it: google it
[12:38] <johnes123> Kr0ntab:  here's the output URL: http://pastebin.com/497106
[12:38] <mebaran151> mwe, I think bad Java install
[12:38] <mebaran151> I'm on AMD64
[12:38] <OldSpiceAP> Trojan
[12:38] <OldSpiceAP> that would make me mad
[12:38] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, its possible
[12:38] <mwe> stevr1it: I think ac97 is supported
[12:38] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, is your external drive connected ?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> but OldSpiceAP im not sure what it is
[12:38] <OldSpiceAP> bad java install?
[12:38] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, yes
[12:38] <OldSpiceAP> or was that not directed at me?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> for you i doubt it
[12:39] <stevr1it> thank you but where to find information
[12:39] <gnomefreak> no that was to mwe from mebaran151
[12:39] <OldSpiceAP> wierd that none of the hidden directories are gone.
[12:39] <OldSpiceAP> ok sry
[12:39] <stevr1it> on google tehre are thousands of links
[12:39] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, hidden dirs are just that hidden
[12:39] <mwe> mebaran151: is it installed at all?
[12:39] <CodenameKT> stevr1it: Yeah I went to the first one and it said not supported :o)
[12:39] <mebaran151> priest, you know any editors like Kate but more gnome friendly
[12:39] <mebaran151> I really liked Kate
[12:39] <mwe> mebaran151: sun java
[12:39] <mebaran151> it did function folding too
[12:39] <CodenameKT> stevr1t: like i thought it is a winmodem
[12:39] <mebaran151> mwe, I tried installing it
[12:39] <aggressor> hey
[12:39] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, is your drive USB?  or something else?
[12:40] <mebaran151> but it confused Openoffice
[12:40] <stevr1it> i will check on ubuntu
[12:40] <mebaran151> and I have to type as well
[12:40] <mebaran151> and I don't think it installed correctly
[12:40] <mwe> mebaran151: tried? did it succeed or what?
[12:40] <mjbjr> johnes123: does 'lsusb' show it?
[12:40] <aggressor> can someone help me
[12:40] <mebaran151> eclipse bailed with errors
[12:40] <OldSpiceAP> gnomefreak --- ?????
[12:40] <OldSpiceAP> lol
[12:40] <woodgrain> is there a keystroke to open bash?
[12:40] <mebaran151> but I have feeling gcj was being bad
[12:40] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, it's USB, however, I cannot even get a jump drive to connect (I used to be able to however)
[12:40] <mebaran151> woodgrain ctrl -alt - f[1 - 6]
[12:41] <mebaran151> you can get yourself a nice little bash terminal that way
[12:41] <mwe> mebaran151: I think you need sun java
[12:41] <mebaran151> mwe
[12:41] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: do you know that root has a different home directory than your user?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> OldSpiceAP, i dont know i would hate to tell you to re-install without knowing what is wrong :(
[12:41] <mebaran151> how do I disable gcj Java
[12:41] <mwe> mebaran151: I don't think gcj will work with eclipse
[12:41] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, now type in "lsmod | grep usb" and use pastebin
[12:41] <mwe> mebaran151: you have sun jdk?
[12:41] <narles> _jason, compiling from scratch is fun
[12:41] <Kr0ntab> you may be missing usb_storage module...
[12:41] <gnomefreak> mebaran151, sudo update-alternatives --config java
[12:42] <Eleaf> oooeewww~~
[12:42] <Kr0ntab> or something else...
[12:42] <_jason> narles, done already?
[12:42] <narles> _jason, in the process
[12:42] <McJerry> if i were to shell into someones kubuntu install, what config file would i need to edit for their remote desktop options?
[12:42] <_jason> narles, ah, let me know how it turns out
[12:42] <mika0800> still interested in configuring missing network cards ?
[12:43] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, here's the output URL: http://pastebin.com/497114
[12:43] <cello_rasp> are there any graphical batch downloaders available?
[12:43] <narles> _jason, what was that bit about checkinstall again? i forgot where i needed to do that
[12:43] <Tyrsis> Does anyone know if 5.10 supports BroadCOM WLAN ??
[12:43] <_jason> cello_rasp, gwget, d4x, aria I think
[12:44] <Tyrsis> or will I have to configure it with Ndiswrapper ?
[12:44] <OldSpiceAP> there is a wireless compatibility chart somewhere
[12:44] <OldSpiceAP> I just forget wehre
[12:44] <gnomefreak> !hardware
[12:44] <ubotu> from memory, hardware is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[12:44] <gnomefreak> there
[12:44] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, hmm... they're certainly there.   "tail -f /var/log/messages" ... unplug yer device... then plug it back in...  give it a good 15-20 seconds after you plug it in to paste it.
[12:44] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: did you log in as root instead of as your user?
[12:44] <cello_rasp> _jason: d4x and aria do not, but i will have yet to try gwget. thanks
[12:44] <mwe> Tyrsis: what chip is that?
[12:44] <Tyrsis> I have no clue
[12:44] <Tyrsis> only thing I know its a BroadCOM
[12:45] <_jason> cello_rasp, then gwget won't, it's the simplest one
[12:45] <Tyrsis> Intergrated
[12:45] <_jason> cello_rasp, what do you mean by batch download?
[12:45] <mwe> Tyrsis: no model number or anything?
[12:45] <Tyrsis> Its a Compaq M2000 laptop
[12:45] <mika0800> with a few commands, I could restore my network card to its half-working state. I can PING LAN, I can access HTTP / HTML -pages from local network using direct IP -addresses. But I still cannot access internet and I also cannot mount samba resources from another linux machine.
[12:45] <OldSpiceAP> dogluus root account is disabled
[12:45] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: ok.
[12:45] <OldSpiceAP> home folder is still /home/brant
[12:45] <mwe> Tyrsis: in that case I'd first try the laptop wiki
[12:45] <mebaran151> mwe, I was boing to use the blackdown sdk
[12:45] <Tyrsis> ok
[12:45] <mebaran151> because it has the nifty firefox plugin
[12:45] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: do you have 10 gigs more disk space than you used to have?
[12:45] <jamie> I am doing an expert install, my question is which kernel is the newest? is it the 2.6.12-9-386?
[12:46] <cello_rasp> _jason: by batch download I mean downloading by wildcards (effectively regex)
[12:46] <OldSpiceAP> yes it is now free space
[12:46] <OldSpiceAP> it was physically deleted from the disk
[12:46] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: "df -h" shows you have more free space now?
[12:46] <tolstoy> Tyrsis: did you try the network-manager package yet?
[12:46] <OldSpiceAP> yes
[12:46] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: that is crazy.
[12:46] <mwe> mebaran151: I don't know if that works. maybe
[12:46] <OldSpiceAP> about 10 gigs extra
[12:46] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: I've never heard of that happening
[12:46] <OldSpiceAP> right about the size of my home folder
[12:46] <mebaran151> mwe, tried that
[12:46] <Tyrsis> I am just about to install Ubuntu thats why I am asking ahead of time
[12:46] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: you said that the hidden folders didn't get deleted.  are you sure that they didn't just get recreated when you logged on?
[12:46] <mebaran151> but openoffice still chokes on bad java
[12:47] <tuvok302> I'm having trouble installing my Intel536EP driver, whenever i "make 536" it says "kernel source needed"
[12:47] <OldSpiceAP> no I still have my .wine folder for instance
[12:47] <mwe> Tyrsis: a wiki search came up with this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/CompaqPresarioM2000
[12:47] <woodgrain> whoever told me to c-alt-F1 really screwed me -- go suck an egg, jerk.
[12:47] <OldSpiceAP> programs I installed as user are still there
[12:47] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: run a "ls -alt" and see what the oldest thing in your home directory is.  it will be the last thing listed
[12:47] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, here's the output URL:http://pastebin.com/497120
[12:47] <narles> _jason, what was that bit about checkinstall again? i forgot where i needed to do that
[12:47] <OldSpiceAP> c alt F1 should get you a login prompt
[12:47] <gnomefreak> woodgrain, what were you trying to do?
[12:47] <tolstoy> Tyrsis: i've generally had good luck, but this ipw2200BG intel wireless device is driving me crazy.  i get an ip, just can't actually connect to any servers.
[12:48] <mika0800> is there something that I should test with this half-broken setup (which I plan to delete from my HD anyway) ... or should I go directly to formatting my linux partition ?
[12:48] <_jason> narles, instead of doing 'make install'.  You do 'checkinstall'.  You need to install checkinstall though.
[12:48] <OldSpiceAP> its .bahshrc
[12:48] <OldSpiceAP> .bashrc*
[12:48] <woodgrain> OldSpiceAP,  it did do that but had no way of getting back, resulting in shut down and loss of data.
[12:48] <dooglus> you probably shouldn't tell people how to Ctl-Alt-F1 without telling them how to Alt-F7 to get back here...
[12:48] <narles> _jason, when do i checkinstall.. with VLC itself?
[12:48] <woodgrain> My fault for trusting blindly.
[12:48] <mwe> Tyrsis: it says the wifi works with ndiswrapper, you probably gotta check the ndiswrapper.sf.net page for the correct driver to use though
[12:48] <OldSpiceAP> it did do what?
[12:48] <OldSpiceAP> shutdown?
[12:49] <Tyrsis> ok nwe
[12:49] <woodgrain> dooglus, thanks, wish I'd known beforehand.
[12:49] <mwe> mebaran151: why don't you just get sun-jdk ?
[12:49] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: if you don't know how to switch back to X, and you don't know how to run a browser or IRC client in a VC then you have to reboot...
[12:49] <woodgrain> OldSpiceAP,  had to kill machine to get X running again.
[12:49] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, well this shows nothing... I think it's more of a USB port issue.  1. you can check the BIOS to make sure USB ports are enabled.  2. make sure that (if this is a front USB port) that the port is physicaly connected.  3. Check to see if other USB ports (like the ones on the motherboard in back) work.
[12:49] <mika0800> Ctrl-Alt-Fx, where X=1..7 should switch virtual consoles. If you're running X, then try F2 instead of F1. And F7 (or F5 in Knoppix) to get back to X (=GUI)
[12:49] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, I'm using an old gateay laptop so I only have one USB port
[12:50] <OldSpiceAP> woodgrain ahh I see
[12:50] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, it looks like BIOS will be my only option--how would i do that?
[12:50] <mika0800> "you probably shouldn't tell people how to Ctl-Alt-F1 without telling them how to Alt-F7 to get back here..." ... While Alt-F7 may work, why not Ctrl-Alt F7 ... one less thing to remember !
[12:50] <bimberi> woodgrain: that works for most people - although not for me either (causes X to crash like you) - but it was a reasonable piece of advice for someone to give you
[12:50] <woodgrain> mika0800, what I want is to open a bash onscreen in ubuntu/gnome
[12:50] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, I say give it a shot...  running out of options.
[12:50] <OldSpiceAP> woodgrain that would be frustrating I'd guess.
[12:50] <woodgrain> bimberi, yeah, shouldn't have over-reacted.
[12:50] <woodgrain> I admitted that already.
[12:50] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: it sounds like someone put a "rm -r *" somewhere in one of your files.  that would leave 'hidden' files and folders
[12:50] <OldSpiceAP> brb
[12:50] <mebaran151> mwe, I'm working with blackdown now
[12:50] <mebaran151> just for now
[12:50] <OldSpiceAP> ohh
[12:51] <stevr1it> great it works now, the modem wirks i have found the information on howto wiki ubntu web page, thank you
[12:51] <bimberi> woodgrain: k :)
[12:51] <mebaran151> only because it's in the repos
[12:51] <OldSpiceAP> an rm -r *?
[12:51] <mika0800> wg, oh, you mean in a window? Should find it somewhere in the GUI menu. Henerally known as "Terminal"
[12:51] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, USB ports sometimes get damaged from high ammounts of ESD... or from physical damage....
[12:51] <stevr1it> the last thing to set up is the video accellerator
[12:51] <dooglus> woodgrain: you know about Alt-F2 to get a shell prompt?  you can type 'gnome-terminal' there
[12:51] <Johnny0> gnomefreak:
[12:51] <bimberi> woodgrain: actually it's interesting to see that it's happening to others (for me it's on a Dell Inspiron 500m Laptop)
[12:51] <Johnny0> gnomefreak: you around ?
[12:51] <woodgrain> dooglus, that\s how I do it now ... tooo slowww.
[12:51] <OldSpiceAP> brb for real now
[12:51] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:51] <OldSpiceAP> gotta make a bottle for the baby
[12:52] <mwe> mebaran151: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list to apt-get/synaptic sun-jdk: deb [WWW]  http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ breezy java
[12:52] <woodgrain> bimberi, I killed my machine c-meta-delete b/c I was stuck at that login and didn't knwo how to get out.
[12:53] <gnomefreak> Johnny0,  what can i do for you?
[12:53] <woodgrain> dooglus, how can I make "singlekey" = open bash shell in gnome?
[12:53] <bimberi> woodgrain: what i see is that when i return with c-a-f7 X will just restart
[12:53] <globe> what are the benefits of using KDE over Gnome?
[12:53] <xeno_> hi guys
[12:53] <globe> Is it worth the hassle to re-install to switch?
[12:53] <woodgrain> bimberi,  I have the proper operation, I just didn't know how to use it when I tried it the first time so I metaflamed b/c.
[12:53] <mwe> globe: you don't need to reinstall
[12:53] <Johnny0> gnomefreak: remember the gnome desktop issue I was having - only coming up to a CLI when I rebooted ? :) somewhere along the line - I had uninstalled gdm
[12:53] <xeno_> hello from switzerland
[12:53] <gnomefreak> globe, just install the one you dont have and just use whatever one you like
[12:53] <woodgrain> xeno_, you're up late.
[12:53] <mwe> globe: just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:54] <globe> mwe. oh snap. okay. :-)
[12:54] <dooglus> woodgrain: you know you can add the terminal as a launcher on your panel?
[12:54] <woodgrain> dooglus, can I run that from the keyboard?
[12:54] <dooglus> woodgrain: that makes "singleclick" open a terminal...
[12:54] <globe> how do I disable GUI login on startup?
[12:54] <mwe> globe: the benefit is you can get rid of the gnome crap. some people would use that same arguement in the opposite direction
[12:55] <dooglus> woodgrain: I don't know how to make a shortcut for running stuff from a key
[12:55] <xeno_> yeah realy late.... i'm gonna go in troubles at work tomorow
[12:55] <mwe> globe: ie use gnome to get rid of kde krap
[12:55] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, thanks for your help, i guess i'm SOL
[12:55] <woodgrain> dooglus, I went 'system-->prefs-->keyboard shortcuts" but the open terminal shortcut is 'disabled' .
[12:55] <bimberi> globe: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[12:55] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, is this a new laptop?  or did you say it was old?
[12:55] <globe> mwe: right.    I wonder if you have a USB mouse... optical one would light up for you.  I wonder if there's even any power coming out of that port.
[12:56] <woodgrain> dooglus, will try.
[12:57] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, there is power to it, i haven't tried a mouse, give me a second...
[12:57] <globe> mwe: after apt-get ting kde, how do I start it? Is KDE a different graphics front end for X, or a whole different system?
[12:57] <woodgrain> dooglus, you are a god.
[12:57] <OldSpiceAP> a while different visual interface that runs on top of X
[12:57] <woodgrain> workd like a charm.
[12:57] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, mouse lights up, but does not work...
[12:57] <dooglus> woodgrain: read the sentence at the bottom of that screen...  "to edit a shortcut..." it says.
[12:57] <Eleaf> What is Ubuntu doing when it is "Calculating Module Dependencies" at boot?
[12:57] <Eleaf> lol
[12:58] <mwe> globe: just another window manager. it comes with a lot of apps though. you can still use gnome apps in kde and the other way around as well
[12:58] <dooglus> Eleaf: you'll be pleased to hear that dapper doesn't do that, whatever it is.
[12:58] <woodgrain> dooglus, thanks, I got all hurried and didn't look!
[12:58] <Kr0ntab> johnes123,   "tail -f /var/log/messages" ...   plug in the mouse.  you know the drill....
[12:58] <mwe> globe: are you using graphical login?
[12:58] <globe> mwe: right. I learned that one today.
[12:58] <globe> mwe: yep, but I am trying to figure out how to shut that off....
[12:59] <Kr0ntab> johnes123, if you don't see anything... then it's probably a USB port issue for sure.
[12:59] <Eleaf> dooglus, lol..  Ok.  Because mine is freezing at that..
[12:59] <mwe> globe: sudo update-rc.d -f remove gdm
[12:59] <dooglus> Eleaf: it takes a while.  like 10 or 15 seconds maybe.  is it freezing longer than that?
[12:59] <MrPockets> do they make Objectdock for Linux?
[12:59] <mwe> globe: then you need to echo exec startkde ~/.xinitrc
[12:59] <Eleaf> dooglus, I've waited for an hour...
[12:59] <mwe> globe: then you would use startx to run it
[12:59] <dooglus> Eleaf: that should be long enough (!)
[12:59] <globe> mwe: I saw that posted a minute ago.
[12:59] <globe> Okay
[12:59] <mwe> globe: well I made a typo
[01:00] <Eleaf> dooglus, lol.. yea..  I guess I have to reinstall after 6 months of work getting it just right!! x (
[01:00] <mwe> globe: it's echo exec startkde >~/.xinitrc
[01:00] <Eleaf> now it wont boot after a dist upgrade dooglus because it's missing modules or something.  I have access to the hard drive.  I just don't know what to do..
[01:00] <johnes123> Kr0ntab, no output, must be a port thing...
[01:00] <Kr0ntab> yup
[01:00] <johnes123> thx for your help
[01:00] <Mapionetka> i have a folder called test. test has 775, is owned by root and gentest, josh is a part of gentest but cant do anything to the dir test. any ideas?
[01:00] <johnes123> i appreciaite it
[01:00] <Kr0ntab> well at least you have an answer.
[01:00] <Kr0ntab> no prob
[01:01] <globe> mwe: thanks for you help--its downloading kde now
[01:01] <Eleaf> dooglus, what should I do?
[01:02] <Papageno> What package should I get to be able to play wmv files in xfmedia?
[01:02] <jamie> ubuntu normally seams to have root disabled. I really perfer to have a normal root user I can sign into when I want to, rather than doing sudo. What should I do to enable this
[01:02] <djtrip> got a quick ? someone good wit the gaming
[01:02] <mwe> Mapionetka: does "groups" confirm that josh is member of gentest?
[01:02] <dooglus> Eleaf: I'm not sure.  I guess reinstalling the kernel might fix it.
[01:02] <mwe> globe: np
[01:02] <dooglus> Eleaf: can you boot into 'rescue mode' or whatever it's called?
[01:02] <djtrip> i got neverwinter night it cause my moniter to say invalid mode
[01:02] <Mapionetka> mwe yes
[01:02] <mwe> globe: wait you want kde-3.5?
[01:02] <dooglus> Eleaf: it's an option on the grub boot screen
[01:02] <Eleaf> dooglus, I can boot into the livecd
[01:03] <damsun> noob= how do i mount / format IDE in ubuntu please?
[01:03] <Eleaf> dooglus, the ppc version doesn't use grub and doesn't have a recovery kernel.  But I can use the livecd and can make changes from there
[01:03] <mwe> Mapionetka: an josh can't touch foobar in there to create that file?
[01:03] <dooglus> Eleaf: I guess from the livecd you can "chroot" into your real root partition, and from there run "apt-get" to install stuff?
[01:04] <Eleaf> dooglus, yes
[01:04] <damsun> how do you mount hdc please?
[01:04] <dooglus> Eleaf: I would try reinstalling the kernel and modules - but I'd also get a 2nd opinion.  I've never had this problem, and don't want you to lose your stuff on my account.
[01:04] <Eleaf> dooglus, I found a problem though.  when I'm not chrooted, I can use apt fine.  the network works.  Whenever I chroot into my harddrive.  It doens't recognize my network!!  and I can't use apt because it doesn't think there is internet!
[01:04] <Mapionetka> mwn, vim test.txt with 1 line of text and a wq recieved a E212: cant open file for writing
[01:04] <mwe> damsun: sudo mkdir /mnt/hdc && sudo mount /dev/hdc /mnt/hdc
[01:05] <mwe> Mapionetka: what does ls -l test.txt say?
[01:05] <dooglus> Eleaf: I'm not sure why that would be, but you can always download the .deb files manually from http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and use them after chroot'ing
[01:05] <dooglus> Eleaf: with "dpkg"
[01:05] <rcmiv> if I install ubuntu onto a second HD, will grub see it and be able to boot it?
[01:05] <Eleaf> dooglus, your right!
[01:05] <Eleaf> dooglus, so should I just use firefox and get them?
[01:06] <dooglus> Eleaf: my right?
[01:06] <Eleaf> dooglus, alright yea.  What packages should I get?  I'm in the livecd
[01:06] <damsun> need to mount or format hdc where do i start? :(
[01:06] <mwe> globe:
[01:06] <dooglus> Eleaf: yes.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/ has some search forms to help you find the .deb files you need.
[01:06] <Eleaf> ok
[01:06] <dooglus> Eleaf: which version of ubuntu?
[01:06] <usr13> any tricks to getting realplay to work in ubuntu?
[01:06] <Mapionetka> mwe, the test file was never created, do you want me to sudo and do it?
[01:06] <Eleaf> dooglus, uhh...  I guess breeezy
[01:06] <Sionide> anyone recommend any good webcam software for ubuntu??
[01:06] <Eleaf> dooglus, so I need a new kernel... what else?
[01:07] <mwe> Mapionetka: no
[01:07] <globe> mwe: I dont know...do I?
[01:07] <mwe> globe: heh
[01:07] <alekandr> quick question guys: if i install a bnc server locally, can i use an external vhost ive been offered?
[01:07] <globe> mwe: I would assume that I want the latest
[01:07] <mwe> globe: I use it. it's a little more sleek
[01:07] <damsun> yes and no
[01:07] <radiodog> Sionide: any you can find... ffmpeg'll work, but there are only a couple decent ones... just frontends for video4linux
[01:07] <mwe> Mapionetka: what happens if you touch foobar as josh in that dir?
[01:07] <globe> mwe: okay....
[01:08] <dooglus> Eleaf: which kernel do you use?  linux-powerpc?  linux-powerpc-smp?  linux-powerpc64-smp?
[01:08] <mwe> globe: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[01:08] <Mapionetka> the dir is empty atm, but i cant write to it as josh
[01:08] <jamie> CodenameKT, I appreciate it. Reiser on all partitions and no /boot did it
[01:08] <mwe> globe: add that to the end of /etc/apt/sources.list to get 3.5
[01:08] <stevr1it> no, i cannot find any ingormation about video acellerator ati 9000 video card for acer laptop
[01:08] <Sionide> radiodog, my webcam is pretty generic.. hopefully it'll be ok
[01:08] <mwe> globe: after sudo apt-get update of course
[01:08] <OldSpiceAP> hmmm no rm -r * in any files
[01:08] <OldSpiceAP> so that theory goes kaput :(
[01:08] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: no files
[01:08] <timfrost> Mapionetka, what are the permissions for the directory?
[01:08] <OldSpiceAP> grepped for it for a long time finally finished
[01:09] <Eleaf> dooglus, linux-powerpc
[01:09] <dooglus> OldSpiceAP: I imagine the "rm -r" would have deleted the file containing the "rm -r"
[01:09] <julio99> hi
[01:09] <Mapionetka> timfrost 775
[01:09] <TCTCH> aye, how many ppl uses Linux?
[01:09] <julio99> who can send-me the CEDEGA 5.0.3?
[01:09] <dooglus> Eleaf: look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-powerpc and trace down the dependancies
[01:09] <globe> mwe: so, after my dl of kde finishes I need to add deb http://.... breezy main to the end of mp /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get again?
[01:09] <dooglus> Eleaf: (the red dots!)
[01:09] <Eleaf> k
[01:09] <dooglus> TCTCH: 31
[01:09] <jamie> ubuntu normally seams to have root disabled. I really perfer to have a normal root user I can sign into when I want to, rather than doing sudo. What should I do to enable this
[01:09] <julio99> Hi xD Who can send-me cedega 5.0.3?
[01:10] <mwe> Mapionetka: groups confirms josh is in gentest and ls -ld test confirms root:gentest and 775?
[01:10] <TCTCH> dooglus: 31 people?....hmm...not mutch :)
[01:10] <dooglus> jamie: "sudo passwd"
[01:10] <mwe> Mapionetka: if so and josh cant write in there it's badly broken
[01:10] <Amaranth> julio99: Please don't talk about illegal activities here.
[01:10] <Mapionetka> mwe that is the case
[01:10] <mwe> globe: no stop it now
[01:10] <dooglus> TCTCH: it's just an estimate
[01:10] <jamie> dooglus, an that will enable me to set a root password? and then I can so su then password like I am used to?
[01:10] <mwe> globe: then add that and sudo apt-get update
[01:10] <julio99> =/ ok
[01:11] <mwe> globe: then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:11] <globe> I see
[01:11] <dooglus> jamie: yes.  it's not recommended, but hey it's your box, fill your boots :)
[01:11] <makkk> can someone help me write to a USB drive? it used to work, but suddenly began to claim it was read-only
[01:11] <TCTCH> dooglus: hmmm....21 million people uses linux....is there some proof? website or something?
[01:11] <globe> mwe: will that make it so that I dont have access to gnome?
[01:11] <djtrip> can any one help bout a game causin invalid mode on my moniter
[01:11] <TCTCH> 31
[01:11] <mwe> jamie: just use sudo -i to get a root prompt if you need one
[01:12] <dooglus> jamie: although "sudo -s" and "sudo -i" will give you root shells without setting a root password
[01:12] <jamie> mwe, ahhhh that will be all I need
[01:12] <Eleaf> dooglus, the files are so small..  The kernel shouldn't be 25 k should it??? o.O
[01:12] <mwe> globe: you have to put somthing else into .xinitrc to use gnome I forgot what
[01:12] <jamie> I just dont want to do sudo before every apt command. lol
[01:12] <dooglus> TCTCH: it's very hard to know, what with it being free and not reporting usage stats anywhere
[01:12] <dooglus> Eleaf: no.
[01:13] <Mapionetka> mwe, im logged in as josh atm, so if i use groups josh i get josh and gentest, but if i just use groups i get the long list of all the various half admin groups aswell
[01:13] <mwe> jamie: yeah that's annoying if you have to do a lot of work as root
[01:13] <Mapionetka> but no gentest
[01:13] <Eleaf> dooglus, how do I download them??? lol..  I'm just clicking the link to download.. and they are only a few K .deb packages
[01:13] <Eleaf> o.o
[01:13] <TCTCH> dooglus: yeah...I see...but all I want to know is: If are more Linux usere out there as Mac users
[01:13] <woodgrain> does anyone here have a shell script for comparing 2 md5sums for two files?
[01:13] <jamie> mwe, yup it is
[01:13] <globe> mwe.  okay.  I am looking at a screenshot of kde and it looks like OSX.  Is that what it is like naturally or after some config.?
[01:13] <mwe> Mapionetka: just groups includes the gentest group?
[01:13] <makkk> does someone know how my USB drive could have suddenly become read-only?
[01:13] <Mapionetka> no :/
[01:13] <Mikl> Hi! I'm trying to begin new life with ubuntu 5.10 :-) now I have problem with free space. i have partition of 9.3 GB and df -h shows that it have only 350 MB of free space. But all files in dirs is smaller then 4GB. So I wonder were space could be? Can anyone give me idea?
[01:13] <mwe> Mapionetka: and what about "id"
[01:14] <dooglus> Eleaf: you have to chase down all the red dots, recursively.  the ones at the top are merely 'metapackages', and are empty
[01:14] <Mapionetka> no gentest with id either
[01:14] <Mapionetka> yet groups josh brings it up
[01:14] <Mapionetka> :/
[01:14] <mwe> globe: I have done some heavy theming I think the default was ugly. that's what I love about kde. you can customize every single bit of it
[01:14] <dooglus> Eleaf: for example, linux-image-powerpc (22k) depends on linux-image-2.6.12-10-powerpc (17582.2k)
[01:15] <Eleaf> ok
[01:15] <timfrost> Mapionetka, log out, then back in again.  The existing session doen't pick up new groups autopmitically.
[01:15] <Eleaf> dooglus, do I need to download those dependencies then? since it's a metapackage...?
[01:15] <mwe> Mapionetka: log out and back in and it will be fixed
[01:15] <dooglus> Eleaf: you need to, yes.
[01:15] <mwe> Mapionetka: you need to do that for group changes to take effect
[01:15] <woodgrain> how do I compute MD5SUM for files excluding the filename?
[01:15] <djtrip> gee all u had to do was say no peace
[01:15] <dooglus> Eleaf: well, I'm not sure, but maybe...  they're only tiny anyway, so why not.
[01:15] <Mapionetka> timfrost, ill have a go at it. im in ssh so im constantly in and out and with screen etc :)
[01:15] <slashx1896> hey all!
[01:16] <sethk> woodgrain, md5sum doesn't use the filename.  You would have to write a program to computer the sum and include the filename
[01:16] <dooglus> Eleaf: it will help keep your dependancies in order
[01:16] <mwe> Mapionetka: did you get that?
[01:16] <mwe> Mapionetka: log out and back in
[01:16] <sethk> s/computer/compute/
[01:16] <slashx1896> My scroll thing on my mouse just stopped working :o :(
[01:16] <globe> mwe: nice...I like customization
[01:16] <dooglus> woodgrain: renaming a file doesn't change its md5sum
[01:16] <woodgrain> sethk, how come when I copy file1.ext to file2.ext echo -n file | md5sum gives different sums?
[01:17] <Mapionetka> yay! we have liftoff!
[01:17] <sethk> woodgrain, I just tried it here, I get exactly the same value
[01:17] <Mapionetka> i think
[01:17] <mwe> globe: yeah
[01:17] <dooglus> woodgrain: because "echo -n file" passes the 4 characters in the word "file" into md5sum!  :)
[01:17] <Mapionetka> expect another cry for help when the next thing breaks :P
[01:17] <sethk> woodgrain, that would be completely useless.  the point of md5sum is to do things like validate downloads
[01:17] <Mapionetka> ls
[01:17] <sethk> woodgrain, so it would appear that you have some other problem.
[01:17] <dooglus> woodgrain: you're looking for "cat file | md5sum".  or better "md5sum < file"
[01:17] <woodgrain> sethk, I know, that's why I'm confused ... did it again, but still diff results.
[01:17] <sethk> woodgrain, someone just noticed that your command is wrong
[01:17] <woodgrain> dooglus, what's cat
[01:18] <sethk> woodgrain, you just do:  md5sum filename
[01:18] <slashx1896> Anyone;... my scroll key doesnt scroll anymore.. it just stopped working
[01:18] <dooglus> woodgrain: it's what you think 'echo' is
[01:18] <sethk> woodgrain, cat is what you apparently think echo is
[01:18] <dooglus> woodgrain: it's like "type" in DOS
[01:18] <dooglus> woodgrain: it opens the file and pipes its contents to stdout
[01:18] <sethk> dooglus, well, ultimately that's going to confuse him ... :)
[01:18] <St0n3-C0l> I am shocked....KDE apps working so smoothly like never before on GNOME!
[01:18] <dooglus> sethk: what's cat?
[01:18] <munkybass> kde rlz :P
[01:18] <woodgrain> oh, so if I use echo, it's using the filenames as though they're text?
[01:18] <damsun> ubuntu is debian?
[01:18] <gnomefreak> echo = echos what you type :)
[01:18] <sethk> dooglus, cat is different than type.  it's primary use is what the name implies, concatenation
[01:18] <St0n3-C0l> credit goes to GNOME Or KDE ?
[01:18] <gnomefreak> damnhil, based yes
[01:18] <St0n3-C0l> damsun: debian-based distro
[01:19] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: That's not too unbelieveable, it's just a matter of having the right libraries installed.
[01:19] <damsun> thanks St0n3-c0l
[01:19] <gnomefreak> damn tab :(
[01:19] <St0n3-C0l> Amaranth: Before on Hoary KDE apps used to run very slowly and took alot time to load on GNOME
[01:19] <damsun> so i can use debian commands to format and mount?
[01:19] <slashx1896> gah.. can anyone help me?? like tell me where i can go to see if it got disabled
[01:19] <sethk> gnomefreak, no, damnhil, not damntab  :)
[01:19] <dooglus> woodgrain: yes.
[01:19] <woodgrain> sethk, got it working.
[01:20] <feistel> hi
[01:20] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:20] <woodgrain> dooglus,  you mean it was md5summing the filenames? with echo -n filename | md5sum?
[01:20] <mwe> damsun: yeah. those are standard linux utils
[01:20] <dooglus> woodgrain: run "echo file" on its own.  whatever it puts on the screen is what md5sum sees when you "echo file | md5sum"
[01:20] <Goldfisch> damsun: What do you mean debian? formatting and mounting isn't really distribution specific.
[01:20] <feistel> I need help
[01:20] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: That's just because C++ apps and libs take forever to find dependency libs and load them.
[01:20] <feistel> with Ubuntu Linux
[01:20] <dooglus> woodgrain: then try "cat ~/.bashrc"
[01:20] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: prelinking helps a lot with C++
[01:20] <feistel> exist a GRAPHIC INSTALLER for Ubuntu?
[01:20] <mwe> !tell feistel about helpme
[01:20] <St0n3-C0l> hmm..
[01:20] <dooglus> woodgrain: it will show you the *contents* of the file, instead of its *name*
[01:20] <damsun> hmm. k thanks. i best learn linux full stop then. laters
[01:20] <damsun> exit
[01:20] <dooglus> woodgrain: of course, usually people just run "md5sum file"
[01:20] <damsun> and irc commands.. blush
[01:20] <mika0800> ok, just formatted my linux partition and now running the ubuntu Hoary 5.04 installer. I can sidestep (Ctrl-Alt-F2) to open a command console. Tried modprobe 3c509 but it only gives me an error msg: "FATAL: Module 3c509 not found".... can I download that module somewhere or direct the loader to the proper directory on the installation CD if it actually IS ther ?
[01:20] <Amaranth> feistel: Nope, but the one that's there is wouldn't be any easier if it was.
[01:21] <slashx1896> gr... =\
[01:21] <St0n3-C0l> and Since I've opened Kopete...ur Menu Editor not starting ehe :>
[01:21] <woodgrain> dooglus, cat is angry with large files -- this is what I should expect, right?
[01:21] <Goldfisch> BTW, why is md5 still out there and cooking? I thought SHA-1 is where everything was heading, due to faults with md5.
[01:21] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: lmao, run it from a terminal
[01:21] <sethk> woodgrain, no.  although in this context cat is totally unnecessary
[01:21] <dooglus> woodgrain: no, cat is fine with large files.  the problem is that your terminal doesn't like large binary files being cat'ed to it...
[01:21] <sethk> Goldfisch, the supposed fault with md5 is bogus
[01:21] <Amaranth> Goldfisch: theoretical faults in md5
[01:21] <feistel> Amaranth, is a way of transform the text-based installation program to a graphic-based installation program?
[01:21] <woodgrain> dooglus, so it's just beeping cuz it's not loading fast enough.
[01:22] <St0n3-C0l> Amaranth: can I paste u the reply in private or pastebin?
[01:22] <Goldfisch> Well, tell that to the people producing gpg/pgp and why they are using SHA-1 for digital signatures.
[01:22] <sethk> woodgrain, no, it's beeping because you are sending binary 7 to it
[01:22] <dooglus> woodgrain: no, it's beeping because there's all kinds of non-printable stuff in it.  that's why I suggested "cat ~/.bashrc" - it's a text file.
[01:22] <woodgrain> dooglus, SHUTE!  I c-c'd out of that cat of a 17MB file and now my bash terminal is all screwed up.
[01:22] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: pastebin
[01:22] <sethk> woodgrain, the 7 character rings the terminal bell
[01:22] <mwe> afaik it is theretically possible to create a different file with the same md5sum
[01:22] <dooglus> woodgrain: type "reset" in the bash terminal
[01:22] <Amaranth> Goldfisch: For important security things sha-XXX is better than md5
[01:22] <woodgrain> dooglus, cat wll only deal with ascii?
[01:22] <St0n3-C0l> Alright
[01:22] <dooglus> woodgrain: if return doesn't work, try control-j
[01:23] <Amaranth> Goldfisch: For regular things, it's not that important.
[01:23] <dooglus> woodgrain: no, cat deals fine with any file.  but your terminal likes ascii
[01:23] <Amaranth> feistel: No, why do you need to?
[01:23] <sethk> Amaranth, I don't think there is any situation where sha is better than md5
[01:23] <feistel> Amaranth, for a new desktop distribution based on Kubuntu
[01:23] <woodgrain> dooglus,  so I could still cat that file into another command, and if the results aren't put in terminal, the termial won't freak/get broken?
[01:23] <Amaranth> feistel: the CLI installer is not that big of a deal
[01:23] <mika0800> does someone even know: Are there plain files on the Hoary 5.04 installation CD or are the files compressed on the CD ?
[01:23] <narles> _jason, i can't find VC1_reference_decoder_release6.zip for compiling libvc1....
[01:24] <dooglus> doesn't ubuntu use md5 for ensuring packages haven't been tampered with?
[01:24] <Amaranth> feistel: If you didn't know the answer to these questions you don't know enough to make a distrobution.
[01:24] <dooglus> it's that 'important'?
[01:24] <mwe> dooglus: yeah
[01:24] <_jason> narles, You won't be able to find the file to get wmv support, but the comments point you to: http://multimedia.cx/eggs/?p=129 and you can get it there.
[01:24] <mwe> dooglus: I think so
[01:24] <sethk> dooglus, yes, it does use md5, and there is no real problem with md5
[01:24] <nter> I used cat to combine movies so I think you can use it with more than  ASCII
[01:24] <Amaranth> dooglus: Make me a file the exact same size as the package I choose that has the same md5sum but does malicious things.
[01:24] <dooglus> sethk: but it's relatively easy to collide md5sums isn't it?
[01:25] <mwe> dooglus: but I think at least in theory it's possible to create a different file with the same md5sum
[01:25] <dooglus> Amaranth: that's the point - it's doable
[01:25] <woodgrain> nter, explain how to combine files with cat!
[01:25] <sethk> dooglus, no.  that's bogus.  what has been done is to double the key length and create a collision
[01:25] <Amaranth> dooglus: It's not.
[01:25] <sethk> dooglus, if the key length is known, md5 has no collision issues
[01:25] <dooglus> sethk: key length == file size?
[01:25] <sethk> mwe, only by expanding the key length
[01:25] <sethk> dooglus, no, the key length is something that you choose whenever doing a hash, such as md5.
[01:25] <Amaranth> sethk: The attacker has to be able to choose the original input text too.
[01:25] <sethk> dooglus, 1024 bits, for example
[01:25] <mwe> sethk: are you sure?
[01:26] <sethk> mwe, positive
[01:26] <St0n3-C0l> Amaranth: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6822
[01:26] <mwe> sethk: all right
[01:26] <sethk> Amaranth, that's another reason, then,
[01:26] <narles> _jason, i have no idea what to do.. i'd rather just skip getting wmv support.. but when i tried to ./configure for compiling VLC, it won't let me because of the missing libvc1.. how can i get around this?
[01:26] <nter> cat fie1 file2 filen >new_file
[01:26] <sethk> the point is that the md5 "problem" is entirely academic and doesn't exist in the real world.
[01:26] <sethk> nter, correct, that's the canonical use of cat
[01:26] <sethk> nter, hence the name, which means concatenate
[01:26] <Amaranth> sethk, dooglus: It's still impossible for an attacker to make a file with the same size and md5sum as a random file that actually _does_ something.
[01:27] <_jason> narles, that site gives you a link to: http://www.multimedia.cx/VC1_reference_decoder_release6.zip
[01:27] <amonkey> how can i mount a vfat partition case insensitivly?
[01:27] <sethk> Amaranth, I agree, that's why I said there is no real problem.
[01:27] <kylevan> hi, could someone tell me what the heck the root password is, since I didn't set it up during setup?
[01:27] <_jason> ubotu, tell kylevan about root
[01:27] <dooglus> sethk: md5 has a constant key length then.
[01:27] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: stop using dapper :P
[01:27] <sethk> amonkey, the case significance of a vfat mount is a function of the character set
[01:27] <sethk> dooglus, no, it does not.
[01:27] <mwe> kylevan: root doesn't have a passwd in ubuntu by default
[01:27] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: freetype likes to change ABI/API without a new major version number
[01:28] <mwe> kylevan: use sudo to do root stuff
[01:28] <BxL> !tell bxl aboit sudo
[01:28] <narles> thanks
[01:28] <mwe> kylevan: and sudo -i if you need a root prompt
[01:28] <sethk> dooglus, although there are common sizes.  md5 itself doesn't confine the size.  the md5sum utility does have  _default_ key size if you don't override
[01:28] <St0n3-C0l> Amaranth: LOL am back on breezy...just set the repos and updated xchat and gaim and now back on breezy :-D
[01:28] <kylevan> mwe, I did, but it chmod didn't seem to work
[01:28] <mwe> kylevan: did what, sorry?
[01:28] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: You need the freetype, cairo, glib, and pango from dapper.
[01:28] <amonkey> sethk, ok, is there a way i can force the right character set?
[01:28] <dooglus> sethk: what's the flag to md5sum to change the key size?
[01:28] <kylevan> mwe, well, I'm having issues with the hotplugging service on my ASUS laptop
[01:28] <sethk> kylevan, it isn't quite true about root.  If you do the default install, there is no root password.  If you do any of the other installs, such as the expert install, the install program will ask you for, and set, the root password
[01:29] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l:  If you get one you have to get them all.
[01:29] <Goldfisch> sethk: Do you mean "digest" size?
[01:29] <narles> _jason if i have VC1_reference_decoder_release6.zip on my desktop.. how can i move it to ~/videolan?
[01:29] <sorush20> guys i'm unable to mount my floppy,, is there a way that mounting and unmounting could become automatic in ubuntu just like windows?
[01:29] <St0n3-C0l> Amaranth: alright :)
[01:29] <mwe> kylevan: yes? I thought you were talking about root permission
[01:29] <sethk> amonkey, man mount wiill show you the argument
[01:29] <sethk> Goldfisch, digest, hash, key, the terms all mean the same thing
[01:29] <_jason> narles, mv ~/Desktop/VC1_reference_decoder_release6.zip ~/videolan
[01:29] <kylevan> no... I'm just trying to keep hotplugging from running until I can fix it.  I'm using some documentation off of linux-on-laptops.org or whatever
[01:30] <St0n3-C0l> thanks
[01:30] <St0n3-C0l> brb
[01:30] <Ophiocus> does anyone remember offhand what the io  variable name for a utf-8 mount point for fstab?
[01:30] <_jason> ubotu, tell narles about cli
[01:30] <Goldfisch> sethk: Key is a unique value generated for a user. I have a public key used to sign messages. That is not the same as the hash/digests I generate with the public key.
[01:30] <tamale> hey, what's the easiest way to get raid5 up and running on my ubuntu install?   I have 2.6.12 kernel, fresh breezy-badger install, all 8 of my drives show up under disk manager
[01:30] <sorush20> I'm using kubuntu and when I click on the floppy icon I get the message that could not determine the filesystem any help pleaes?
[01:30] <jessica_> how can i upgrade my kubuntu dsitro to kde 3.5?
[01:31] <jessica_> please somebody tell me the terminal command
[01:31] <Amaranth> tamale: software raid?
[01:31] <sethk> Goldfisch, no, that's not true.  the term key has many uses.  In cryptography a key most typically refers to the thing you need to decrypt or encrypt something, but it is perfectly correct to use key in a variety of other ways
[01:31] <dooglus> sethk: if you mean hash, then md5sum generates a 128 bit hash
[01:31] <mwe> kylevan: to disable it temporarely, sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/hotplug. then sudo chmod +x it when you want it to run again
[01:31] <Goldfisch> If you don't download and apt-key an apt source's public key, you can't validate their md5 sums and authenticate their packages.
[01:31] <dooglus> sethk: I don't think you can change that.
[01:31] <Amaranth> tamale: i think you needed to do that in the install, by using LVMS
[01:31] <kylevan> mwe, that's what I did, but it didn't work
[01:31] <tamale> Amaranth:  Correct, I want software raid5 with samba
[01:31] <sorush20> jessica_: are you a girls?
[01:31] <mwe> kylevan: really?
[01:31] <kylevan> yeah
[01:31] <jessica_> hmmmmm yes
[01:31] <sethk> dooglus, I might have patched mine to take a key length.
[01:31] <Amaranth> Goldfisch: Wrong. If you don't have the key you can't verify the pgp signature.
[01:31] <jessica_> i am a girl who loves linux
[01:31] <Amaranth> Goldfisch: The md5sum is seperate.
[01:31] <kylevan> which is why I came in here
[01:32] <OldSpiceAP> exit
[01:32] <_jason> jessica_, you may want to try in #kubuntu as well
[01:32] <sorush20> jessica_: wow I think most guys here would love you
[01:32] <tamale> Amaranth:  I couldn't seem to get it to accept my changes duiring the install
[01:32] <] m[evilb> is there a way to install wine while being offline?
[01:32] <Amaranth> sorush20: Please don't do that.
[01:32] <jessica_> hahaha and why is that?
[01:32] <mwe> kylevan: well then sudo update-rc.d -f remove hotplug but note the number it runs as first so you can put it back
[01:32] <jessica_> because girls and linux are hard t ocome by?
[01:32] <jessica_> lol
[01:32] <tamale> Amaranth:  Do I really need to install all over again?
[01:32] <Goldfisch> I thought their mechanism was to digitally sign the md5sums.
[01:32] <dooglus> sethk: if you're generating hashes which aren't 128 bits long, you're not generating md5 hashes
[01:32] <kylevan> ok... thanks for the help
[01:32] <Hendikins|Work> Question. Does *anyone* use S/MIME?
[01:33] <sethk> dooglus, nonsense.  look at the md5 spec.
[01:33] <Amaranth> ] m[evilb: only if you downloaded the package and it's dependencies already
[01:33] <Amaranth> tamale: dunno, i've never done it
[01:33] <Amaranth> tamale: you might be able to turn the other 7 drives into a raid array
[01:33] <ajmitch> sethk, dooglus: #ubuntu-offtopic, perhaps
[01:33] <narles> _jason, i'm having trouble.. i get this error.. cp: `libvc1-1.0/src/.': specified destination directory does not exist
[01:33] <Amaranth> tamale: but to get that first one in there too you need to reinstall
[01:33] <kylevan> mwe, number as in runlevel?
[01:33] <ajmitch> hey jblack :)
[01:33] <dooglus> sethk: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1321.txt?number=1321 ?  "This document describes the MD5 message-digest algorithm. The algorithm takes as input a message of arbitrary length and produces as output a 128-bit "fingerprint" or "message digest" of the input."
[01:33] <jblack> ajmitch: Hey buddy!
[01:33] <] m[evilb> Amaranth i downloaded the .deb file
[01:33] <narles> _jason, when trying to use this command $ cp VC1_reference_decoder_release6/decoder/*.[ch]  libvc1-1.0/src/.
[01:33] <mwe> kylevan: runlevels and the S and K numbers
[01:34] <Amaranth> ] m[evilb: sudo dpkg -i <name of file>.deb
[01:34] <jblack> ajmitch: I've got a bit of a ppp problem in dapper, interested in hearing about it?
[01:34] <sethk> dooglus, you have to look at the original articles about md5.  Not the spec for an instance of md5 use.
[01:34] <kylevan> thanks again
[01:34] <ajmitch> jblack: I can hear, but I haven't used a modem for years
[01:34] <sethk> dooglus, in fact you'll find a discussion of the lengths, and when different lengths are appropriate
[01:34] <jblack> Ok, well, ppp doesn't go. No logging or anything.
[01:34] <Goldfisch> Sorry I kicked off all this md5 chit chat. Later....
[01:34] <mwe> kylevan: find /etc/rc*.d -name "*hotplug"
[01:34] <Amaranth> sethk, dooglus: #ubuntu-offtopic please
[01:35] <dooglus> sethk: you're telling me there's more than one MD5 algorithm?
[01:35] <jblack> I can dial out using mgetty without any problems, but pppd doesn't work, and doesn't log anything.
[01:35] <_jason> narles,  what does ls return
[01:35] <] m[evilb> Amaranth anything else i need 2 know, i'm on windows now, dont want to reboot over and over again :)
[01:35] <kameron> i need a font.. subfont.ttf. i installed the msttcorefonts package, but i still don't have it.
[01:35] <Amaranth> ] m[evilb: not really
[01:35] <ajmitch> jblack: nothing at all in syslog?
[01:35] <mwe> kyncani: here it's just /etc/rcS.d/S40hotplug
[01:35] <] m[evilb> k
[01:35] <Amaranth> bbl
[01:35] <sethk> dooglus, no, I'm telling you that the rfp you cited is not the definition of the md5 algorithm
[01:35] <narles> _jason, commands.odt  DEBIAN  Desktop  drivers  music  videolan
[01:35] <jblack> ajmitch: Not a thing at all, which confuses me, as debug is on
[01:35] <ajmitch> sethk: you've been asked twice :P
[01:35] <sorush20> jessica_: did you get the message?
[01:35] <ajmitch> jblack: that was my next question..
[01:35] <dooglus> sethk: where is the definition?
[01:35] <_jason> narles, cd videolan and try again
[01:36] <sorush20> jessica_: did you send the message I sent you?
[01:36] <narles> _jason, i'm already in videolan
[01:36] <sethk> dooglus, sorry, I've been silenced, for some reason.
[01:36] <jblack> I don't know if its a ppp problem or a kernel problem.
[01:36] <sorush20> anyother girls in here?
[01:36] <sethk> dooglus, don't want to be bounced.
[01:36] <_jason> narles, seems like you are in ~ from the output of ls
[01:36] <ajmitch> jblack: hm, the ppp package hasn't been touched for about 4 weeks in dapper
[01:36] <jblack> I searched malone for ppp bugs, and it looks rather empty there.
[01:36] <ajmitch> jblack: search bugzilla
[01:36] <ajmitch> jblack: the official move still hasn't been done
[01:36] <jblack> ajmitch: Yeah. It worked for me 5 days before christmas, then not on the day before christmas.
[01:37] <jblack> ahh
[01:37] <narles> _jason, i opened up a new terminal for ls
[01:37] <jblack> bwhere is bugzilla?
[01:37] <ajmitch> jblack: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:37] <ajmitch> last ppp upload was dec 15
[01:37] <jblack> Thats within the window.
[01:37] <_jason> narles, what does ls return for the other terminal then
[01:38] <jblack> I could have easily gone ten days without updating, updated the day before I left, then bam
[01:38] <ajmitch> jblack: not running anything special, it's just a boring old modem?
[01:39] <narles> _jason, faad2-20040923    libvc1-1.0.tar.gz
[01:39] <narles> faad2-20040923.tar.bz2   VC1_reference_decoder_release6
[01:39] <narles>   ffmpeg      VC1_reference_decoder_release6.zip
[01:39] <narles> libdvdcss-1.2.8      vlc-trunk
[01:39] <narles> libdvdcss-1.2.8.tar.bz2
[01:39] <mwe> narles: don't paste here
[01:39] <narles> sorry
[01:39] <mwe> narles: you'll get banned
[01:39] <_jason> narles, next time pastebin for large pastes
[01:39] <jblack> Hmm. http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20920 doesn't look quite right, but somehow feels very close
[01:40] <_jason> narles, looks like you forgot the  'tar -zxvf libvc1-1.0.tar.gz' command.  First line of 'Compile libvc1' section
[01:40] <ajmitch> jblack: how are you online right now? breezy or another box?
[01:40] <jblack> I'm online via 802.11G on my home network.
[01:41] <mika0800> Run4Fun: Please Don't talk to Jessica ....
[01:41] <jblack> I additionally have a verizon wireless dsl card that works through ppp, that I use when not in the house.
[01:41] <narles> _jason, thanks.. good call
[01:42] <jblack> ajmitch: So same computer, but with 802.11G.
[01:42] <jblack> ajmitch: Also in a probably unrelated note from about the same time, my built in dvdrw stopped working.
[01:43] <iKernel> I just can't seem to mount /dev/hda. I keep on getting this error: mount: /dev/hda already mounted or /mnt/hda busy. What I have done: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6823
[01:43] <ajmitch> jblack: right, and running 'pppd call <provider> debug' does what?
[01:43] <jblack> root@pluto:/dev # pppd call provider debug
[01:43] <jblack> root@pluto:/dev #
[01:43] <mika0800> ok, back to business... modprobe cannot find the "3c509" or "3c509.ko" on the installation CD (Ubuntu Hoary 5.04) ... I have the .iso on another Linux machine's HD, so I mounted it R/O with the loopback device. It is full of .deb -files. Maybe one of those includes 3c509 kernel module, but compressed. How do I extract a compressed module from a .deb and how to know which .deb has it inside ?
[01:43] <ajmitch> instantly back the the commandline?
[01:44] <jblack> Yup
[01:44] <Papoose> anyone know how to install SWAT for Samba?
[01:44] <ajmitch> how odd
[01:44] <jblack> ps aux | grep ppp shows: root     17432  0.0  0.1   2684   860 ttyUSB0  Ss+  19:43   0:00 pppd call provider debug
[01:44] <ajmitch> hm
[01:44] <amonkey> what would be the smart way to change a bunch of folder's names to lower case?
[01:44] <ajmitch> so it's still going in the background, and it's usb serial, too?
[01:44] <jblack> If I add nodetaqch, it runs
[01:44] <jblack> Whoah.
[01:44] <jblack> That worked.
[01:44] <ajmitch> interesting
[01:45] <_jason> amonkey, the rename command, I think man rename actually tells you how
[01:45] <jblack> Ok. so if I add nodetach on the command line, it runs.
[01:45] <jblack> Let me try that in the config for provider
[01:45] <mwe> mika0800: it should be included in the linux-image package which is surely installed
[01:45] <JarG0n> can anyone give me direction on how to resolve video issues after installing the 64bit version of Ubuntu.  My screen goes blank after loading the OS, by displaying a solid (nonblinking) cursor at the top left hand of the screen.  I'm using an Nvidia card, but I can't access the Synaptic Package Manager to do anything according to this url: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[01:46] <mika0800> I also tried the cmd "apt-cache search 3c509" on my other linux box (running Debian sarge/2.4.27 kernel). It found only this: "nictools-nopci - Diagnostic tools for many non-PCI ethernet cards"
[01:46] <jblack> Ok.
[01:46] <iKernel> Can anybody help?
[01:46] <Pr1muZ> hi anyone use a linksys router on ubuntu and mind helping me out?
[01:46] <mwe> mika0800: it's not in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net ?
[01:46] <jblack> ajmitch: Ok, adding nodetach to peers/provider makes things work, but it of course keeps the pty
[01:46] <mwe> mika0800: it should be included in the linux-image package which is surely installed like I said
[01:46] <butcherbird> JarG0n: alt-ctrl-f2 then login then from console sudo apt-get install filename for each package
[01:46] <sethk> Pr1muZ, I use a couple of linksys routers, but there are many of them.  Not likely we are using exactly the same one.
[01:47] <JarG0n> thanks!
[01:47] <sethk> Pr1muZ, but there isn't much different between linksys and any other router
[01:47] <Pr1muZ> well
[01:47] <sethk> Pr1muZ, so just ask your question
[01:47] <Pr1muZ> i dont know anything about routers
[01:47] <jblack> amitch: if I remove nodetach, ppp does come on.
[01:47] <Pr1muZ> and im going to have to set one up soon
[01:47] <Pr1muZ> lol
[01:47] <jblack> ajmitch: regardless, syslog doesn't get anything in any case
[01:47] <dooglus> iKernel: what if you "sudo mkdir /media/ntfs" and then try mounting it there?
[01:47] <astray> Does anyone know why the .xinitrc doesn't work in my home directory?
[01:47] <Pr1muZ> i figure i might as well learn something before i just plug it in and see if it works.
[01:47] <sethk> Pr1muZ, in many cases the default settings are fine.
[01:47] <ajmitch> jblack: so it's just logging broken?
[01:47] <dooglus> astray: gnome doesn't use it.  it uses .gnomerc
[01:47] <sethk> Pr1muZ, really a lot depends on the requirements of the service to which you are connecting
[01:47] <mika0800> mwe: possibly. But the problem is, that if I do not manually intervene things, then I will end up in the same situation as in so many other distros using 2.6 -series kernels: The NIC is not found by the installer. It may be manually activated, but then I need to do ALL od the network configuring work by hand, and that is exactlt what I am trying to avoid!
[01:48] <astray> Idon't use gnome
[01:48] <iKernel> dooglus: 3rd time lucky maybe? Ok
[01:48] <dooglus> iKernel: i didn't realise you'd tried using a different mount point already
[01:48] <jblack> ajmitch: Thats what I'm seeing, yes. Before now though, I could have _SWORN_ that ppp0 never comes up though.
[01:48] <Pr1muZ> well, if i just plug everything in and turn the router on, its highly doubtful that everything would just work right and there, i just dont know where i'd go to set everything up.
[01:48] <iKernel> dooglus: I know
[01:48] <JarG0n> butcherbird> wierd, my screen went blank after hitting alt-ctrl-f2, but I see a blinking cursor.  I'm in some sort of safe mode.
[01:48] <mika0800> So, I'd like to force the installer to load the 3c509 module "3c509.ko" so then my NIC would be autoconfigured by the installation program.
[01:48] <dooglus> iKernel: you have to specify which partition the ntfs filesystem is on.  /dev/hda1 or some such
[01:48] <iKernel> dooglus: Well, no difference this time either
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> after getting KDE repos updated...am doing kde for install
[01:49] <dooglus> iKernel: "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" will list the partitions
[01:49] <iKernel> dooglus: Of course :) I've mounted an ntfs filesystem before (different linux)
[01:49] <St0n3-C0l> but it says kdesdk not going to be installed
[01:49] <jblack> ajmitch: So apparently whatever the problem may have been, now its just a case of logging being broken
[01:49] <dooglus> iKernel: your pastebin shows you trying to mount /dev/hda
[01:49] <butcherbird> JarG0n: couple ways to fix. do you have a livecd?
[01:49] <St0n3-C0l> and doesn't install
[01:49] <mwe> mika0800: just blacklist the wrong module and put the name of the right one in /etc/modules
[01:49] <JarG0n> yeah, the video freezes on that one too
[01:49] <JarG0n> same symptoms
[01:49] <ajmitch> jblack: it's an improvement at least - probably still worth a bugreport
[01:49] <mwe> mika0800: like I already said
[01:49] <jblack> ajmitch: Aye.
[01:49] <iKernel> dooglus: Yep. I've already tried mounting /dev/hda1
[01:49] <Pr1muZ> sethk?
[01:50] <dooglus> iKernel: is that the right number?
[01:50] <St0n3-C0l> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:50] <St0n3-C0l>   kde: Depends: kdesdk but it is not going to be installed
[01:50] <St0n3-C0l> E: Broken packages
[01:50] <butcherbird> JarG0n: right at grub booting there should be an option for recovery mode does that work?
[01:50] <JarG0n> let me check
[01:50] <muszek> hi
[01:50] <sethk> Pr1muZ, I'm not sure what you are asking.  Normally you talk to the router by doing http://<IP_ADDRESS>  (or <IP_ADDRESS>)
[01:50] <dooglus> iKernel: run "mount | grep hda" to see if it's already mounted
[01:50] <mika0800> So, I want to install the 3c509 module as early as possible (while running the installation program). And yes, the installer lets me use Ctrl-Alt-F2, I do get a console doing that. That is good news !
[01:50] <butcherbird> JarG0n: if not maybe burn a knoppix cd
[01:50] <iKernel> dooglus: I get some errors in dmesg with hda1
[01:50] <JarG0n> butcherbird> i think that's the safe mode i'm describing.  I'm in it now.
[01:51] <sethk> Pr1muZ, by default.  of course you can change it's address, but after a reset to factory defaults, that's where you start
[01:51] <iKernel> dooglus: It's not mounted, because I've already tried umount hda
[01:51] <muszek> can anyone tell me how to change a language used in gnome for just one user?  I know how to change it for all new accounts, but that's not what I want
[01:51] <iKernel> dooglus: umount /dev/hda rather
[01:51] <Pr1muZ> well
[01:51] <Pr1muZ> ok
[01:51] <Pr1muZ> i have the router right here
[01:51] <Pr1muZ> if i just plugged everything in
[01:51] <Pr1muZ> turned it on
[01:51] <Pr1muZ> where would i go from there
[01:51] <mika0800> mwe: But I want to do it during running the installation program, as early as possible. I do not want  to do that after installation!
[01:51] <butcherbird> JarG0n: happen to have another linux livecd around?
[01:52] <iKernel> dooglus: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6824
[01:52] <JarG0n> no, but I can burn a knoppix cd
[01:52] <blood> how do i mount a file
[01:52] <sethk> Pr1muZ, configure a machine to an address on the same subnet (say <IP_ADDRESS>), connect that machine to the router with a crossover cable, bring up your web browser, and type in   http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:52] <blood> or a drive
[01:52] <jblack> blood: typically, one doesn't.
[01:53] <jblack> blood: mount -t auto /dev/device /where/you/want/it
[01:53] <Pr1muZ> kk
[01:53] <iKernel> blood: mount -t filesystem /dev/drive
[01:53] <mika0800> And, like I told, I can get a console doing Ctrl-Alt-F2 during install. But if I type modprobe 3c509 from there, I only get an error msg telling it cannot find the module
[01:53] <sethk> Pr1muZ, some of the more expensive routers also have an option to use a USB or serial connection to configure it.
[01:53] <JarG0n> can I load the NVidia drivers from http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-8178.html ?
[01:53] <dooglus> blood: the "mount" command mounts things
[01:53] <iKernel> blood: What device and what filesystem?
[01:53] <blood> devise is like media/sad1?
[01:53] <blood> my windows partiotion
[01:53] <dooglus> blood: the usage is like this: mount [-fnrsvw]  [-t vfstype]  [-o options]  device dir
[01:54] <butcherbird> JarG0n: try burn knoppix cd and boot then mount your ubuntu partiion then chroot to that mountpoint and see if u can install nvida or whatever
[01:54] <dooglus> blood: you have to specify the mount point (dir) as well as the device
[01:54] <McJerry> given the scenario: ubuntu with samba server installed and started..... /media/laptop directory and a laptop running xp with //laptop/laptop-c shared.....how do i mount the xp share to the /media/laptop dir?
[01:54] <JarG0n> butcher> thx
[01:54] <narles> _jason, when trying to use the make command for compiling VLc i get this error
[01:54] <iKernel> blood: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /mnt/hda
[01:54] <narles> _jason, /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[01:54] <blood> do i have to manipulate anyof that then
[01:54] <mika0800> Or maybe I just need to boot another PC using, for example, the Knoppix CD... then I can copy the needed module from the Knoppix system to either a floppy or a USB memory stick (if that is supported during the install phase...)
[01:55] <_jason> narles, I don't know what that is... have you installed build-essentials?
[01:55] <sethk> mika0800, it would have to be identical kernel code for that to work
[01:55] <iKernel> dooglus: Not nessercarily. If he's already put his device in fstab or mntab then it'll just mount the mount point he speficified
[01:55] <jamie> I am trying to install on a dell 8400 with SATA drives. making / partition reiserfs 40Gb, swap, and also /home reiser fs 120 Gb. I keep getting Base system installer error, the dbootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) whats wrong.
[01:55] <sethk> narles, that's part of X development
[01:56] <narles> _jason, yes
[01:56] <mika0800> But how much difference is between, say, 2.6.10 and 2.6.12? If I use Knoppix with 2.6.12 (or 2.6.8) and the Ubuntu system is 2.6.10 (and I do NOT want to change that), can I still use the same 3c509 module?
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> anybody help me :((
[01:56] <dooglus> iKernel: you can't specify a device to mount without specifying a mount point.
[01:56] <narles> sethk, how do i fix thsi error
[01:56] <sethk> narles, install X development packages
[01:56] <iKernel> blood: I know.
[01:56] <djs_2_6> St0n3-C0l - What's up?
[01:56] <iKernel> blood: Read my sentence again
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:56] <iKernel> whoops
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l>   kde: Depends: kdesdk but it is not going to be installed
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> E: Broken packages
[01:56] <narles> sethk, what do i want to type for apt-get
[01:56] <blood> whats " /mnt/hda?"
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> Want to install kde 3.5 :'(
[01:56] <iKernel> That was directed at dooglus sorry
[01:56] <mika0800> So, that means, that for my idea to work, I need a live CD with exactly 2.6.10 kernel as well ?
[01:57] <sethk> narles, I don't memorize the package names.  use synaptic, it has categories for all that stuff.
[01:57] <blood> mount: mount point /mnt/hda does not exist
[01:57] <dooglus> iKernel: you told him to "mount -t filesystem /dev/drive"
[01:57] <dooglus> iKernel: /dev/drive was the mount point?  that might be a little confusing
[01:57] <iKernel> dooglus: nup
[01:57] <iKernel> brb
[01:57] <mika0800> Do any of you have ubuntu Hoary 5.04 installed ?
[01:58] <sethk> blood, create a directory for mounting.  you can even create a directory called /mnt/hda, if you are so inclined
[01:58] <sethk> blood, you can use any name.
[01:58] <_jason> narles, try installing xlibs-dev
[01:58] <dooglus> blood: /mnt/hda is wherever you want to mount the filesystem.  make it wherever you like
[01:58] <mika0800> if so, can you do apt-cache search 3c509 for me ?
[01:58] <dooglus> blood: "sudo mkdir -p /mnt/hda" for example
[01:58] <blood> .  /backup
[01:58] <blood> is what i was gunna use
[01:59] <blood> but okay
[01:59] <djs_2_6> St0n3-C0l - Do you have your universe and multiverse enabled?
[01:59] <dooglus> blood: that's ok too, though people often make a directory for their mount points, to keep them all together.  /mnt or /media is common
[01:59] <mika0800> blood: you might do that, but that is misleading, because you cannot mount hda, but you sure can mount, say, hda1, or hda5 or whatever you wnat to mount in your system
[01:59] <narles> _jason, poo
[01:59] <St0n3-C0l> djs_2_6: everything enabled :)
[02:00] <narles> _jason, i just installed everything that i got from a search in xext with synaptic
[02:00] <dooglus> blood: then "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda" (replace ntfs with the filesystem type, /dev/hda1 with the device and /mnt/hda with the mountpoint)
[02:00] <_jason> narles, lol I guess that could work too... does it work now?
[02:00] <edoardo> hi gals, hi dudes : )
[02:00] <edoardo> do any of you use hal-0.5.x? cause it don't start over here! help! thankyou! : )
[02:01] <djs_2_6> St0n3-C0l - when you do your apt-get, try adding -f...  (apt-get -f install kde)
[02:01] <djs_2_6> St0n3-C0l - Ok?
[02:01] <St0n3-C0l> means ignore ? :P
[02:01] <narles> _jason, so far
[02:01] <St0n3-C0l> then it'll not install kdelibs4-dev :P
[02:02] <djs_2_6> St0n3-C0l - Means fix dependencies, and install/remove needed packages...
[02:02] <narles> jason_, i want to use sudo checkinstall after i 'make' correct?
[02:02] <djs_2_6> St0n3-C0l - Ok?
[02:02] <mika0800> can someone running Ubuntu please do apt-cache search 3c509 for me?
[02:03] <CanadianSnow> huh?
[02:03] <mika0800> can someone running Ubuntu please do sudo apt-cache search 3c509 for me? (soory for missing the 'sudo' 1st time)
[02:03] <crimsun> nictools-nopci?
[02:03] <CanadianSnow> mika0800 is it?
[02:03] <CanadianSnow> alright...
[02:03] <crimsun> you don't need sudo to perform apt-cache search.
[02:03] <crimsun> what are you trying to do?
[02:03] <mika0800> crimsun: was that the ONLY package you found ?
[02:04] <crimsun> mika0800: yes
[02:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mika0800: Shows nictools-nopci
[02:04] <blood> ./mnt is /mount right
[02:04] <mika0800> oh no! I am trying to locate, what .deb -package has the file "3c509.ko" inside it ?
[02:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mika0800: locate 3c509 shows a kernel module, though
[02:05] <blood> so ited be like so like "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1"
[02:05] <mika0800> Yes, the kernel module is what I want to find
[02:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hm
[02:05] <crimsun> linux-image-foo has the kernel module
[02:05] <JarG0n> where can I get a comprehensive list of commands and how to use them for Ubunto, including chroot?
[02:05] <crimsun> JarG0n: man chroot
[02:05] <JarG0n> thx
[02:06] <_jason> mika0800, linux-image-2.6.12-10-386 and linux-image-2.6.12-10-686 for me :)
[02:06] <selinium> Hi guys, I have got a folder full of files, I would like to concatanate another file onto the end of all these. Is there an easy way of doing this?
[02:06] <butcherbird> blood: example: sudo mount -o umask=0000 /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever
[02:07] <mika0800> PuMpErNiCkLe: "crimsun> linux-image-foo has the kernel module" ... so, that must be where it came from to be extracted. Ok, so how do I extract it manually from this linux-image-foo ??
[02:07] <thick-glasses> anyone using an ATI m200 out there?
[02:07] <_jason> selinium, I think: 'for $i in *; do cat foo >> $i; done' may work
[02:08] <sethk> selinium, you can write a shell loop, which is easy.  Is it every file in the directory?
[02:08] <selinium> _jason, I thought something like that might. Thanks for the pointer
[02:08] <selinium> sethk yes
[02:08] <blood> where did this umask=0000 come from now
[02:08] <cap14> am completely new to linux (yesterday)wanted to load on 2nd hd and loaded on primary by mistake. Windows is gone now, so I'll give linux a try
[02:08] <_jason> selinium, well it might if you get rid of the first $, so  'for i in *; do cat foo >> $i; done'
[02:08] <sethk> selinium, for file in *  do  mv $file $file.bak;  cat whatever $file.bak > $file; rm $file.bak; done
[02:09] <sethk> _jason, that loses the original contents of the file
[02:09] <_jason> sethk, good idea on the bcakup but I think he wants >>, not > right?
[02:09] <sethk> _jason, no.  having moved $file to $file.bak, $file no longer exists
[02:10] <selinium> Cool, thanks for help guys!
[02:10] <gerald-volt> how do I make another copy of a file, but have the copied file a different filename?
[02:10] <_jason> sethk, I see what you did, I think both work
[02:10] <sethk> _jason, yes, that's true, you can >> to the end of the existing file
[02:11] <cap14> I thought linux would run faster on this old machine but it runs about like windows did, am i missing anything
[02:11] <_jason> cp file filewithnewname
[02:11] <bimberi> gerald-volt: cp file newfile (in a terminal) or copy&paste the file in Nautilus then rename the copy
[02:11] <_jason> gerald-volt, ^
[02:11] <flannel> hello everyone
[02:11] <mika0800> I found these too debs matching "linux-image":
[02:12] <sethk> cap14, probably not.  You can't say that it will run faster, or slower.  It depends entirely on what you are doing.
[02:12] <mika0800> ./pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-image-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-34_i386.deb   AND   ./pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-386_2.6.10-7_i386.deb
[02:12] <JarG0n> what does tty1 mean?  It looks like virtual desktops to me.
[02:12] <dooglus> JarG0n: it's a terminal
[02:12] <linlin> !quicktime
[02:12] <ubotu> methinks quicktime is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information on quicktime support or just install the "libquicktime1" package.
[02:12] <JarG0n> ah ok
[02:12] <blood> /dev/sda3       /               ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[02:12] <blood> that a good thing?
[02:12] <dooglus> JarG0n: open a few terminals and type "tty" in each.  they'll each be using a different terminal
[02:12] <mika0800> now, how do I extract the 3c509.ko -file from these .deb -files?
[02:12] <flannel> can anyone tell me why ubuntu would hang 2 times dfuring installation at the point where it preparing primary installation repository
[02:12] <sethk> JarG0n, tty1 is usually a serial port, as in /dev/tty1
[02:12] <JarG0n> I have to hit alt-ctrl+2 to get to something I can see.  The first one is blank.  How to I get to Gnome ?
[02:13] <JarG0n> ok
[02:13] <sethk> JarG0n, the name comes from "teletype"
[02:13] <crimsun> mika0800: dpkg-deb -x foo.deb .
[02:13] <dooglus> mika0800: "ar x <deb file>" then "tar xf" on the contents
[02:13] <mika0800> sethk: isn't that ttyS0, ttyS1 etc ?
[02:13] <sethk> JarG0n, control-alt-f7, but if it is blank, you'll just see blank
[02:13] <sethk> mika0800, there are a series, ttys, ttyS, some others
[02:13] <mika0800> thanks, I will try that...
[02:13] <sethk> mika0800, tty by itself is traditional unix
[02:13] <astray> Anyone know why .xinitrc doesn't work?
[02:14] <sethk> mika0800, typically ttyS0 is a modem, ttys0 is a serial port, but that's just a convention, nothing official.
[02:14] <Eleaf> dooglus, ?
[02:14] <crimsun> astray: because you use ~/.xsession instead
[02:14] <JarG0n> sethk> it doesn't seem to do anything.  It freezes.
[02:14] <blood> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ,<- how does that know where to mount the drive?
[02:14] <sethk> JarG0n, what freezes?
[02:14] <crimsun> astray: if you're not using startx, then ~/.xinitrc is pretty useless
[02:14] <JarG0n> seth> it displays the last terminal screen chosen, but the cursor stops blinking.
[02:15] <Eleaf> dooglus,
[02:15] <sethk> JarG0n, what does, control-alt-f7?
[02:15] <JarG0n> ctrl+alt+f1 to ctrl+alt+f7 shows the first terminal
[02:15] <Eleaf> dooglus, I installed the kernel.  what else do I need?
[02:15] <sethk> JarG0n, oh, you are in single user (maintenance) mode
[02:15] <JarG0n> yes, it acts like it freezes when I choose that
[02:15] <JarG0n> yes
[02:15] <jamie> when I did an expert install, it tells me I have updates that need to be done. However when I click on the update button in gnome, it makes a click sound and does nothing. What could be wrong?
[02:15] <sethk> JarG0n, that's what you are supposed to see in that mode
[02:16] <JarG0n> how do I get to gnome?  I've only seen it on the Live CD.
[02:16] <theconartist> what do you mean?
[02:16] <theconartist> it is on the default install
[02:16] <jamie> JarG0n, did you use ubuntu or kubuntu, it should load automatically in ubuntu
[02:16] <sethk> JarG0n, from maintenance mode you can do init 5.  but the question is, why are you in maintenance mode in the first place?
[02:16] <JarG0n> ubuntu
[02:17] <sethk> JarG0n, when it puts you in maintenance mode, something went wrong during boot
[02:17] <freak> whats the terminal syntax to execute a python script?
[02:17] <JarG0n> I think I chose that option last time I rebooted
[02:17] <JarG0n> right
[02:17] <jamie> JarG0n, what is loading KDE?
[02:17] <theconartist> freak, you use python
[02:17] <JarG0n> says must be superuser
[02:17] <bimberi> freak: python blah.py
[02:18] <freak> thanks
[02:18] <sethk> JarG0n, yes, to go into maintenance mode, you need to be root.
[02:18] <Eleaf> dooglus,
[02:18] <sethk> JarG0n, but you shouldn't need to go into maintenance mode
[02:18] <JarG0n> jamie> I'm sorry, I don't know what KDE is.  I though I was trying to get into Gnome.
[02:18] <JarG0n> let me restart again
[02:18] <sethk> JarG0n, yes, you are booting, and gnome is the default destination
[02:18] <jamie> JarG0n, what are you in? terminal? because Gnome is standard
[02:19] <JarG0n> yes
[02:19] <jamie> type gdm
[02:19] <JarG0n> what's that stand for?
[02:19] <jamie> JarG0n, type gdm does it work?
[02:19] <JarG0n> thx
[02:19] <narles> _jason, success... finally got sound with VLC
[02:19] <djs_2_6> JarG0n - Gnome Desktop Manager...
[02:19] <JarG0n> "Only root wants to run gdm"
[02:19] <JarG0n> doh!
[02:19] <regeya> yeah, there's a really good question:  I've not had fs corruption bad enough that I go into maint mode at boot.  is one prompted for root passwd?  if so, that's got to be a scary moment for the majority who haven't set a password...
[02:19] <_jason> narles, great
[02:19] <jamie> sudo gdm
[02:19] <narles> _jason, thanks for your help bro... i can watch my saved by the bell movie with sound now
[02:19] <JarG0n> behold the newbie folks
[02:20] <blood> why would i not have permision to view my windows partition from linux?
[02:20] <JarG0n> ok
[02:20] <_jason> narles, np
[02:20] <JarG0n> gdm already running. aborting!
[02:20] <jamie> ctk alt F7
[02:20] <jamie> Ctl Alt F7
[02:20] <sethk> JarG0n, ok, then you should see something in control-alt-f7
[02:20] <JarG0n> freezes. .. my cursor disappears!
[02:21] <sethk> JarG0n, please, that is NOT freezing
[02:21] <jamie> go back to terminal
[02:21] <sethk> JarG0n, freezing is when something does nothing at all.  You can switch back to the other VTs.  you are not frozen
[02:21] <jamie> sudo killall gdm  then sudo killall X
[02:21] <JarG0n> ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[02:21] <JarG0n> ok
[02:21] <mika0800> ok, I now have the 3c509.ko extracted. Any idea, are USB memory sticks supported even during installation of Ubuntu, or is it safer just to copy it to a floppy ?
[02:21] <iKernel> JarGOn: killall -9 gdm?
[02:21] <jamie> JarG0n, then try gdm again
[02:21] <cello_rasp> is there any way i can configure the keyboard + mouse so that ctrl+click acts as a right-click? i'm using an apple mac :|
[02:22] <jamie> JarG0n, iKernel is right killall -9 gdm
[02:22] <JarG0n> X: No process killed
[02:22] <mika0800> btw: is it just the 3c509.ko alone or does it need some support files as well ???
[02:22] <jamie> Jargon did you do the gdm one
[02:22] <iKernel> JarGOn: I think it might have been gdm-binary... killall -9 gdm-binary
[02:22] <JarG0n> killall -9 gdm > gdm: no process killed
[02:23] <JarG0n> thx for your patience :)
[02:23] <iKernel> JarGOn: killall -9 gdm-binary
[02:23] <JarG0n> jamie> I believe so yes
[02:23] <JarG0n> ok
[02:23] <jamie> JarG0n, do what iKernel says
[02:23] <selinium> seth, I get unexpected token near cat when I try to run the command... Any ideas?
[02:23] <selinium> sethk, I get unexpected token near cat when I try to run the command... Any ideas?
[02:23] <tbw> Hi
[02:23] <selinium> sorry seth, wrong seth!
[02:24] <seth> selinium, it happens all the time, no worries
[02:24] <tbw> Does anyone here know about using TV out with binary Nvidia driver?
[02:24] <JarG0n> ikernal> no process killed
[02:24] <regeya> I should contact, erm, someone.  Noticed that, when GnomeBaker uses a ext3+dir_index fs for tmp, and you try to copy an audiocd, the tracks are written in "random" order.  temp fix:  use cdrdao, but that's a bit puzzling.
[02:24] <iKernel> JarGOm: Run top, see what gdm's process is called. See if you can beat me :)
[02:24] <JarG0n> sudo killall -9 gdm-binary ??? or without sudo?
[02:24] <sethk> JarG0n, with.
[02:25] <sethk> JarG0n, but I'm not quite sure why you are killing gdm.  when you start it again, exactly the same thing will happen.
[02:25] <JarG0n> same results... going to perform iKernals last request
[02:26] <Papoose> Can anyone tell me now to install SWAT for Samba?
[02:26] <jesseman_> JarG0n: ps -A | grep gdm
[02:26] <iKernel> JarGOn: Strange, I didn't see anything much related to GDM (apart from some other gnome apps). Try running gdm again
[02:27] <JarG0n> I don't see any running process remotely close to gdm in the process monitor
[02:27] <JarG0n> unless I can scroll down somehow
[02:27] <JarG0n> iKernel> ok
[02:27] <JarG0n> how do I exit this screen?
[02:27] <bimberi> Papoose: sudo aptitude install swat (or use Synaptic) - the universe repository needs to be enabled
[02:27] <JarG0n> process list
[02:28] <astray> ctrl+x
[02:28] <astray> or ctrl+c
[02:28] <JarG0n> doh
[02:28] <mika0800> I tried SWAT in spring 2005... and got nowhere with it... so I  just ended up manually editing /etc/samba/smb.conf ... as well as using smbpasswd and (was it) smbadduser
[02:28] <sethk> JarG0n, q will do it also
[02:28] <narles> testing
[02:28] <JarG0n> I typed sudo gdm, and nothing.
[02:29] <JarG0n> it brings up user@ubuntu:~$ and sits
[02:29] <iKernel> JarG0n: That means gdm successfully started.
[02:29] <Eleaf> hello
[02:29] <sethk> JarG0n, of course.  that's what was run during boot.  you'll see, as I said, exactly the same thing if you run it again.
[02:29] <Sapentis> iKernel, nice handle ;)
[02:29] <JarG0n> Maybe I'm just not able to view it
[02:30] <Eleaf> What is Ubuntu doing when "Calculating Module Dependencies" at boot?
[02:30] <sethk> JarG0n, you have to find out what the problem is.  restarting things won't help you.
[02:30] <jamie> JarG0n, did gnome ever work?
[02:30] <Papoose> bimberi how do I enable universal repository?
[02:30] <sethk> Eleaf, calculating module dependencies
[02:30] <JarG0n> jamie> nope
[02:30] <bimberi> ubotu tell Papoose about universe
[02:30] <Sapentis> sethk, probably. :p
[02:30] <JarG0n> sethk> thanks for your help.  I still have to figure out my display problem, as to why I cannot view gnome.
[02:30] <iKernel> JarG0n: Hold down ctrl, alt and f7 and the same time and see what happens.
[02:30] <Eleaf> sethk, what exactly is it doing?  Mine freezes every time at boot.  will replacing the kernel help that?
[02:30] <JarG0n> ok
[02:30] <ron_> anyone know how to get back to the regular opensource drivers after installing fglrx?
[02:31] <iKernel> JarG0n: Hold down ctrl, alt and f7 at the same time and see what happens.
[02:31] <sethk> Eleaf, well, it's possible, but that's not the right way to fix it.
[02:31] <Eleaf> sethk, how do I fix it?
[02:31] <jamie> ron_,  change Xorg.conf "fglrx" back to "ati"
[02:31] <sethk> Eleaf, can you get to a console login?
[02:31] <JarG0n> iKernel> Same effect as running gdm again.  It freezes the screen until I use ctrl+alt+f1 again.
[02:31] <Eleaf> seth, I am in the livecd, I have chroot access to my harddrive
[02:31] <ron_> i did that but glxinfo reports otherwise
[02:31] <Eleaf> sethk ^^
[02:32] <iKernel> JarG0n: Did you recently install any other drivers for your graphics card?
[02:32] <sethk> Eleaf, chroot won't help here.  I was hoping to trace the module thing, but if you can't get to a prompt you can't do that.
[02:32] <JarG0n> iKernel> I've installed nothing but ubuntu.  I have the linux drivers for my Nvidia card (from their website).
[02:32] <sethk> Eleaf, I think it is probably hanging on whatever it does _after_ calculating module dependencies
[02:32] <Eleaf> seth, I'm in the prompt
[02:32] <JarG0n> I'm assuming I have to load them on there somehow, but I have no idea how to do this.  I need a tutorial on chroot. :/
[02:33] <Eleaf> seth, what difference is being in the prompt and being chrooted into the harddrive?  I can change stuff...
[02:33] <iKernel> JarG0n: Right. And did you install these linux drivers.
[02:33] <iKernel> ?
[02:33] <ron_> should i load glcore in xorg.conf?
[02:33] <Unity> what package should i install to get french spellchecking in openoffice?
[02:33] <Eleaf> sethk, what difference is being in the prompt and being chrooted into the harddrive?  I can change stuff...
[02:33] <JarG0n> iKernel> Not yet.  I think that's the next logical step, no?
[02:33] <sethk> Eleaf, you can't find out why something is in an endless loop unless that thing is running
[02:33] <mwe> ron_: not if you inted to use fglrx
[02:33] <JarG0n> I feel like a whitebelt again :/
[02:33] <Eleaf> seth, well it doesn't boot.  I can't get to a prompt.
[02:33] <sethk> Eleaf, right, I know.
[02:34] <iKernel> JarG0n: hmm... did you make any changes to xorg.conf?
[02:34] <ron_> no i don't jamie all fglrx is lock up my sytem regardless
[02:34] <sethk> Eleaf, the live cd boots, and your installed system won't boot?
[02:34] <Eleaf> seth, I can however I have access to it.  what should I reinstall
[02:34] <Eleaf> sethk yes
[02:34] <JarG0n> iKernel> I did not, as I don't know much of anything about linux.
[02:34] <ron_> i'm just trying to get back to the origianl ati drivers and opengl
[02:34] <Eleaf> sethk, I did a distupgrade and it broke something
[02:34] <linlin> i can not install mplayer
[02:34] <Eleaf> and it won't boot sethk
[02:34] <sethk> Eleaf, oh.  You can try reinstalling the kernel.  It can't hurt.
[02:34] <JarG0n> iKernel> As I mentioned before, I think I need an educational guide first.
[02:35] <sethk> Eleaf, and if there truly is a module dependency issue it might help.
[02:35] <Eleaf> seth, what else?  I wanna reinstall as much as I can..
[02:35] <iKernel> JarG0n: Well, try apt-get install nvidia-glx.
[02:35] <linlin> Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:35] <linlin> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:35] <linlin> is only available from another source
[02:35] <linlin> E: Package mplayer has no installation candidate
[02:35] <Eleaf> sethk, what else?  I wanna reinstall as much as I can..
[02:35] <ron_> brb
[02:35] <martman> how can i get rid of the top menu thingy and get the bottom to be like a normal taskbar?
[02:35] <sethk> Eleaf, impossible to say, really.
[02:35] <linlin> i've enabled multiverse
[02:35] <Eleaf> sethk your name is getting really annoying because of the other user seth
[02:35] <Eleaf> lol
[02:35] <iKernel> linlin: Just get mplayer from mplayer's site. I'll provide a download link for you
[02:35] <sethk> Eleaf, sorry, but I was here first.  :)
[02:35] <JarG0n> iKernel> I have it loaded in my CD_ROM.  I just burned the driver: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8178-pkg2.run
[02:35] <bimberi> Unity: (guessing somewhat) - myspell-fr or myspell-fr-gut (OOo uses myspell)
[02:35] <mwe> linlin: is your sources.list sane?
[02:36] <xClayG> I have an image file that is a .B5I , any ideas on what to use to burn it?
[02:36] <Eleaf> lol
[02:36] <Eleaf> sethk, how do I reinstall modules?
[02:36] <sethk> Eleaf, modules are part of the kernel, usually
[02:36] <Eleaf> ok
[02:36] <Linuturk> hey fellas
[02:36] <Eleaf> I'll try rebooting now...
[02:36] <sethk> Eleaf, occasionally, another package will install a module (a video driver, possibly)
[02:36] <Linuturk> got my wireless working without outside help
[02:36] <Eleaf> seth, will it use the new kernel immediately?
[02:36] <bimberi> linlin: it's not called mplayer - it will be mplayer-386 (or -586 or -k7 ...)
[02:37] <iKernel> JarG0n: You need to actually run it. As root, do: ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8178-pkg2.run
[02:37] <JarG0n> iKernel> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 permission denied) E: Unable to lock the list directory
[02:37] <ardchoille> Linuturk: Good job! :)
[02:37] <Linuturk> Is there anyway to have my system modprobe ndiswrapper and connect to any free networks at startup?
[02:37] <iKernel> JarG0n: You need to be root. sudo -s and type in your password.
[02:37] <mwe> Eleaf: his nick is sethk :)
[02:37] <JarG0n> ok!
[02:37] <cello_rasp> how do i get ctrl+click to act as right click?
[02:37] <bimberi> linlin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[02:37] <Eleaf> mwe, omg I know
[02:37] <mwe> Eleaf: rofl
[02:37] <Eleaf> mwe, whenever I hit tab it goes to seth.  It's so freaking annoying
[02:37] <tbw> Anyone know where I can find information about getting my Nvidia card to not use the component out for the main display?
[02:38] <bimberi> Eleaf: hit tab twice :)
[02:38] <Eleaf> bimberi, that takes too long
[02:38] <Eleaf> lol
[02:38] <bimberi> lol
[02:38] <Eleaf> sethk, I added a new kernel.  but that doesn't show up at boot.. How do I select a new kernel?
[02:38] <JarG0n> iKernel> may I msg you?
[02:38] <iKernel> JarG0n: ok
[02:38] <seth> Eleaf, I was seth_k, and that's still alphabetically in front of sethk. Now I'm seth, and it still buggers :) can't win for losing
[02:38] <JarG0n> thx
[02:39] <sethk> Eleaf, you have to add it to the grub menu.
[02:39] <Eleaf> sethk, ppc doesn't use grub
[02:39] <iKernel> dooglus: You still there?
[02:39] <sethk> Eleaf, ok, the boot manager thing then, I forget the ppc name.
[02:39] <Eleaf> Yaboot
[02:39] <lordmundi> looking for some adivce on a edubuntu install
[02:39] <lordmundi> err advice
[02:39] <sethk> Eleaf, unfortunately I haven't used linux on ppc in almost three years
[02:39] <Linuturk> Is there anyway to have my system modprobe ndiswrapper and connect to any free networks at startup?
[02:40] <JarG0n> doh: Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems
[02:40] <Eleaf> OMFG!!
[02:40] <Eleaf> oh yay!!
[02:40] <Eleaf> I fixed it!!!
[02:40] <JarG0n> iKernel>  sudo -s does not prompt me for my password
[02:40] <Eleaf> -DANCES with sethk and everybody else!!-
[02:40] <Eleaf> YAYA
[02:40] <Eleaf> lol
[02:40] <iKernel> JarG0n: But did it change you to root?
[02:40] <mwe> JarG0n: after 10 minutes it will
[02:40] <franky123> jarg0n: it will prompt you for your passs the firs ttime you use it. then it allows you to use it w/o prompt for like 10 minutes
[02:40] <JarG0n> ~# ?
[02:40] <iKernel> mwe: 15.
[02:40] <mwe> JarG0n: if you used sudo within the last 15 minutes it wont ask again
[02:40] <JarG0n> ah
[02:41] <mwe> iKernel: all right 15 minutes then
[02:41] <Linuturk> unless you go, sudo su
[02:41] <JarG0n> then I must be.  What are my indications I have root?
[02:41] <Linuturk> then, it'll be permanent for the entire session
[02:41] <JarG0n> ok
[02:41] <Linuturk> Is there anyway to have my system modprobe ndiswrapper and connect to any free networks at startup?
[02:41] <mwe> JarG0n: a # instead of a $
[02:41] <JarG0n> right. then I'm in root.
[02:41] <Eleaf> it worked... = )
[02:41] <iKernel> Linuturk: First bit is easy
[02:41] <celeborn> What's the default command to unzip a tar.bz2?
[02:41] <JarG0n> whoo hoo!
[02:41] <sethk> celeborn, xvjf filename
[02:42] <sethk> celeborn, the j means uncompress with bunzip2
[02:42] <Niko-formerlyEag> is there a cli program in ubuntu to change what services start up during init?  I know Fedora has a program called chkconfig...anything similar?
[02:42] <iKernel> Linuturk:  nano /etc/modules. Add ndiswapper on a new line.
[02:42] <celeborn> sethk, thank you
[02:42] <Linuturk> iKernel, I want it to sync with the time servers on the boot. Will that work?
[02:42] <JarG0n> iKernel> now I try to install that driver?
[02:42] <Xenguy> Niko-formerlyEag: rcconf  ?
[02:42] <iKernel> Linuturk:  should do, if it does it otherwise
[02:42] <iKernel> JarG0n: First, try apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:43] <linlin> thankyou bimberi
[02:43] <Linuturk> how do i exit nano?
[02:43] <Niko-formerlyEag> Xenguy: I'll try installing it...thanks
[02:43] <bimberi> linlin: np :)
[02:43] <Madpilot> Linuturk: ctrl+X
[02:43] <Xenguy> Niko-formerlyEag: yw
[02:43] <lordmundi> trying to install edubuntu...  I boot cd and in the first phase of "detecting cd roms" it locks up while "loading ide_cd"... any ideas?
[02:43] <Bachstudies> is the ubuntu firewall installed by default or is it only added by installing firestarter?
[02:43] <jumpkick> linuturk: says at the bottom of the screen
[02:43] <iKernel> Linuturk: ctrl-x. press y, then enter.
[02:44] <bimberi> !firewall
[02:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, firewall is Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter. see !firestarter
[02:44] <JarG0n> iKernel> whoo hoo! it's doing something!
[02:44] <ardchoille> JarG0n: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:44] <Xenguy> Bachstudies: there is no default firewall; shorewall is another firewall option
[02:44] <Linuturk> got it. Forgot the sudo before loading, so I had to do it again
[02:44] <JarG0n> iKernel> Now what ?
[02:44] <Linuturk> how about auto connecting to any available network?
[02:44] <iKernel> JarG0n: Did it install a kernel-module?
[02:44] <GameOver> hello everyone
[02:45] <JarG0n> ardchoille> thanks... I have that, yet it directs me to user menus in gnome (or KDE) i think, which I cannot access yet.
[02:45] <JarG0n> iKernel> Yes, I think so.
[02:45] <JarG0n> no errors
[02:45] <Bachstudies> Xenguy: so if I don't install firestarter I don't have to worry about opening ports for internet apps?
[02:45] <iKernel> JarG0n: Try modprobe nvidia
[02:45] <Linuturk> well, first let me make sure it's going to load right. brb
[02:45] <GameOver> anyone mind helpin a newb out who has a few questions
[02:45] <Bachstudies> GameOver: sure go ahead!
[02:45] <JarG0n> iKernel> Returned me to root after that.
[02:45] <GameOver> thanks
[02:46] <GameOver> for starters... i cant get my linksys wireless card to work
[02:46] <GameOver> i downloaded ndiswrapper
[02:46] <GameOver> followed directions
[02:46] <iKernel> JarG0n: After modprobe nvidia?
[02:46] <GameOver> and get alot of permission denied errors
[02:46] <JarG0n> iKernel> Yep
[02:46] <iKernel> GameOver: You need to be root.
[02:46] <GameOver> but i am
[02:46] <liuc> dgfj
[02:46] <GameOver> by root u mean sudo
[02:46] <jumpkick> what's the best way to load a single package and its dependancies from dapper without dist-upgrading?
[02:46] <iKernel> GameOver: sudo -s
[02:46] <iKernel> JarG0n: Good. nano /etc/xorg.conf
[02:47] <iKernel> JarG0n: wait no sorry
[02:47] <GameOver> ahh
[02:47] <GameOver> ok
[02:47] <lordmundi> trying to install edubuntu...  I boot cd and in the first phase of "detecting cd roms" it locks up while "loading ide_cd"... any ideas?
[02:47] <GameOver> let me see what i can do
[02:47] <linlin> enyc Package mplayer-386 has no installation candidate :(
[02:47] <iKernel> JarG0n: nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[02:47] <linlin> oops
[02:47] <linlin> what the heck
[02:47] <iKernel> JarG0n: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:47] <JarG0n> ok
[02:47] <linlin> E,,:: Package mplayer-386 has no installation candidate :(
[02:48] <sethk> lordmundi, you can try an install argument to turn off DMA for IDE devices
[02:48] <JarG0n> got it
[02:48] <iKernel> JarG0n: Go down to Section "Device"
[02:48] <linuturk> works
[02:48] <linuturk> thank you fellas
[02:48] <JarG0n> ok
[02:48] <timfrost> linlin, did you do 'apt-get up[date' after adding multiverse?
[02:48] <JarG0n> i'm there
[02:49] <linlin> yes
[02:49] <linlin> ill pastebin my sources.list
[02:49] <iKernel> JarG0n: Change "nv" to "nvidia"
[02:49] <linlin> maybe i did something wrong
[02:49] <Linuturk> I now have a fully functional Ubuntu install
[02:49] <lordmundi> sethk:  which argument should i use?
[02:50] <JarG0n> iKernel> done
[02:50] <sethk> lordmundi, I don't remember the specific string.  f1 should show it to you
[02:50] <lordmundi> k
[02:50] <lordmundi> i'll go give it a shot
[02:50] <iKernel> JarG0n: Saved?
[02:50] <JarG0n> dunno how?
[02:51] <Linuturk> What is the best way to make sure all my hardware is working correctly?
[02:51] <JarG0n> There's no "file" save!!
[02:51] <JarG0n> lol
[02:51] <iKernel> JarG0n: Press ctrl and x at the same time
[02:51] <burnhamd_> hello I have a wireless keyboard/ mouse that connects via one usb plug and I must set usb legacy support in the bios for grub to work
[02:51] <burnhamd_> my problem is that ubuntu doesnt boot when I turn legacy usb on
[02:51] <JarG0n> saved
[02:51] <iKernel> JarG0n: Returned to root?
[02:51] <celeborn> sudo apt-get install mplayer-686 doesn't work?
[02:51] <burnhamd_> cannot allocate pci 5:0:0 or something similar
[02:52] <burnhamd_> anyone know hox to solve this
[02:52] <JarG0n> yes
[02:52] <iKernel> JarG0n: Ok. nano /etc/modules
[02:52] <iKernel> JarG0n: Put nvidia at the bottom, save, and reboot.
[02:53] <Linuturk> iKernel, don't forget to tell them to use sudo in front of that
[02:53] <astray> Anyone know of a way to replace the gnome right-click menu with the one openbox uses?
[02:53] <iKernel> Linuturk: He's on the root account.
[02:53] <mwe> Linuturk: he's at a root prompt
[02:53] <Papoose> how do i edit .conf files?
[02:53] <JarG0n> yeah, but thx
[02:53] <timfrost> celeborn, mplayer-586 is for PentiumPro or better.
[02:53] <iKernel> Papoose: nano foo.conf
[02:53] <celeborn> timfrost, what would be for AMD?
[02:53] <JarG0n> how do I reboot from the command line?
[02:53] <JarG0n> exit?
[02:53] <Linuturk> iKernel, o, well i missed that when you helped me. Just trying to be helpful myself
[02:53] <mwe> Papoose: probably need sudo
[02:54] <_jason> JarG0n, sudo reboot
[02:54] <iKernel> JarG0n: Just type in reboot and hit enter
[02:54] <psusi> JarG0n, shutdown -r now
[02:54] <iKernel> _jason: No need for sudo
[02:54] <mwe> init 6
[02:54] <iKernel> psusi: Don't use shutdown, reboot is easier.
[02:54] <psusi> ahhh
[02:54] <_jason> iKernel, really? mine complains
[02:54] <JarG0n> thx!
[02:54] <mwe> _jason: he's at a root prompt still
[02:55] <_jason> oh
[02:55] <Linuturk> now that I have this working correctly, I don't know what to do with linux lol
[02:55] <psusi> wait a second... you can't run reboot without sudo either
[02:55] <psusi> it isn't suid
[02:55] <mwe> psusi: hello are you sleeping?
[02:55] <celeborn> What's the mplayer-XXX package that works for AMD?
[02:55] <crimsun> it doesn't matter. 'reboot' calls 'shutdown' if runlevel isn't 0 or 6.
[02:55] <mwe> psusi: he's at a root prompt
[02:55] <_jason> ubotu, tell celeborn about mplayer
[02:55] <tamale> Hello, does anyone know much about mdadm here?
[02:55] <iKernel> tamale: Never heard of it
[02:56] <eheitner> Hello all. Can anyone help me figure out why SANE is not recognizing my scanner? It is a UMAX PowerlookII which is a supported model, supposedly.
[02:56] <psusi> I thought someone said no need for sudo with reboot?  maybe I misunderstood
[02:56] <tamale> it's the linux  software raid
[02:56] <iKernel> psusi: I said that.
[02:56] <JarG0n> psusi> if your logged in as root, no need?
[02:56] <JarG0n> iKernel> it's rebooting now.
[02:56] <tamale> I'd like to setup software raid 5 on my ubuntu box
[02:56] <iKernel> psusi: No need for sudo for anything if you're logged on as root.
[02:56] <tamale> and don't know where to start
[02:56] <iKernel> JarG0n: ok
[02:56] <mwe> psusi: yeah :)
[02:56] <psusi> iKernel, ohh, thought you meant no need for sudo with the reboot command ;)
[02:56] <tamale> and another, general question,  what's the default root password in ubuntu ?
[02:57] <mika0800> hmmm... durin installation, modprobe does not work (probably beacause the database it needs to resolve dependencies does not exist yet)... but insmod does. After using that, the NIC is recognised correctly. Even DHCP works. After the install is complete, I would guess there will be no problems with the NIC....
[02:57] <psusi> tamale, there is none
[02:57] <crimsun> tamale: nothing you could probably guess within a lifetime.
[02:57] <JarG0n> iKernel> Ok i'm still getting the same symptoms.  Screen freezes with non blinking cursor in upper left of screen
[02:57] <psusi> ubotu, tell tamale about root
[02:57] <iKernel> JarG0n: Are you sure you have your moniter plugged into your nvidia card?
[02:57] <tamale> how do you do things like mdadm then
[02:57] <mwe> mika0800: i don't know. if there is just do what I told you several times already
[02:57] <Mazin> what media players utilize the w32codecs package?
[02:58] <JarG0n> iKernel> yes, but i'll check just cause you asked me to. :)
[02:58] <edoardo> do any of you guys use hal?
[02:58] <psusi> edoardo, we all do... we use ubuntu
[02:58] <psusi> which uses hal
[02:58] <mika0800> So for all those, who cannot get their network going: this is good news: if you reinstall and use insmod *during* the installation, as early as possible, I'd guess the network will work just fine !
[02:58] <iKernel> Mazin: Mplayer uses w32codecs fine. Just download it from their site, and follow the instructions.
[02:58] <crimsun> Mazin: mplayer, kaffeine, totem, ...
[02:58] <holler> Mazin: totem-xine gxine xine