[03:53] <muraii_> BlueEalge: Certainly not from the processor.  Maybe because of fumes from the degrading plastic.
[03:54] <BlueEalge> muraii_: ofcourse. :)
[03:54] <theshibboleth> anyone have any ideas?
[03:54] <drexelxxxx> Anybody had any luck installing KQEMU/
[03:54] <drexelxxxx> ?
[03:55] <biovore> theshibboleth: mplayer and mencoder can do that (take a series of jpeg,pngs to make into a movie
[03:55] <biovore> but its a confussing process
[03:55] <theshibboleth> biovore:ok... I'll look into it. thanks
[03:56] <muraii_> theshibboleth: You might see if Blender3D would work for that.
[03:56] <muraii_> I think the newest version has compositing functions.
[03:56] <theshibboleth> muraii:k
[03:57] <green_earz> theshibboleth: and for a video editor >   kino
[03:57] <MrPockets> how does one go about changing the logon manager?
[03:57] <muraii_> theshibboleth: It should be noted that I don't really have a clue about what I'm talking about.  I mean well, though.
[03:58] <__mikem> dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:58] <__mikem> or dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[03:58] <theshibboleth> green_earz: I tried kino, but I can't figure out how to import a picture file or if that's even possible
[04:00] <mo0se> how do you install an .rpm... thingie?
[04:01] <Wes> mo0se: i've had luck with alien
[04:01] <jobezone> mo0se: you usually shouldn't, but if necessary do 'sudo alien -i package.rmp'
[04:01] <Wes> mo0se: apt-get install alien fakeroot
[04:01] <MrPockets> someone wanna refresh my memory on changing the logon manager?
[04:01] <mo0se> i'm new to linux... heheh...
[04:01] <mo0se> no idea what you guys just said...
[04:02] <mo0se> i don't even know how to change the ip of my computer...
[04:02] <mo0se> it says press the adminstrator mode..
[04:02] <Edison> WHEN I TRY TO INSTALL THE CAMERA MONITOR IT SAYS: make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop
[04:02] <mo0se> but i can't find that button.
[04:02] <mo0se> meh.
[04:02] <chip42> mo0se: if that is the case, don't install the rpm. that is for distros that use redhat package management, which ubuntu does not. just gonna mess something up in the longrun
[04:03] <chip42> mo0se: ie find a .deb in the repositories instead
[04:03] <mo0se> ohh.
[04:03] <mo0se> okay.
[04:03] <mo0se> there isn't one.
[04:03] <MrPockets> ...no, nothing?
[04:03] <Flannel> mo0se: which program?
[04:04] <mo0se> i'm trying to install something that'll let me see into my windows ntfs partition.
[04:04] <Flannel> !ntfs
[04:04] <ubotu> I heard ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:04] <chip42> MrPockets: i think __mikem mentioned it earlier.. sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm ... or something to that effect
[04:04] <Flannel> follow that guide ;)
[04:04] <mo0se> coool.
[04:04] <thomasM> very.
[04:04] <muraii> MrPockets: Um...do you mean replace GDM with KDM, or apply a theme to the existing logon manager?
[04:04] <Edison>  WHEN I TRY TO INSTALL THE CAMERA MONITOR IT SAYS: make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop
[04:04] <MrPockets> i just wanna apply the theme
[04:05] <thomasM> easy on the caps...
[04:05] <__mikem> sudo dpkg-reconfigure should get the job done
[04:05] <__mikem> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm rather
[04:05] <Flannel> Edison: don't use caps, and we heard you the first time... 3 minutes ago.  If no one responds, they don't know, or are busy.  Anyway, in regards to your question, do you have build-essential installed?
[04:05] <mo0se> the drive is mounted.
[04:05] <Edison> sorry
[04:06] <mo0se> i can already see it in konqueror...
[04:06] <Edison> whats that??
[04:06] <muraii> MrPockets: I could only point you to the Ubuntu wiki or some such, basically a Googling session; but I know it's pretty simple.
[04:06] <Edison> is just that im new using ubuntu
[04:07] <Flannel> Edison: build-essentials is the compiler and stuff required to compile stuff.  Anyway, are you sure you have to build from source?
[04:07] <Edison> yes
[04:07] <Flannel> Edison: usually you can find something that'll work in the repositories
[04:07] <mo0se> it says "could not enter folder /media/sda2." which is my windows partition.
[04:07] <MrPockets> whats the wiki url?
[04:07] <jobezone> MrPockets: you can configure GDM in System->Administration->Login greeter (or something simillar)
[04:08] <Flannel> MrPockets: wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:08] <MrPockets> ah thats what i was loking for, thanks jobezone
[04:09] <jobezone> MrPockets: welcome
[04:09] <ablyss> jobezone, sudo gdmsetup works too
[04:10] <mo0se> how do i run the terminal?
[04:10] <Wes> Edison: make  sure there's a makefile in your directory
[04:10] <jobezone> ablyss: ah, yes, you're right
[04:10] <MrPockets> now is there anyway i can make the "lock screen" feature go to the Logon manager like Winblows does instead of the screen sdaver
[04:10] <Wes> Edison: and make sure it has target "install" defined.
[04:10] <scarn> i cant seem to untar an .tar.gz. its says "file not a .tar.gz or tar archive" ecven though it is
[04:10] <dbarnett> mo0se: applications->Accesories->terminal
[04:11] <intelikey> alt+f2  type xterm   or what ever term you have.
[04:11] <dbarnett> mo0se: you can right click on it and add it to the toolbar
[04:11] <Edison> yeah it does have a install file
[04:11] <Edison> but it is not executing it
[04:11] <Wes> Edison: Makefile
[04:11] <muraii_> scarn: tar -xfv <filename>
[04:12] <sexytrini> HELLO everyone
[04:12] <bimberi> Edison: if the file is called INSTALL it is usually a text file describing how to install
[04:12] <NickGarvey> hello
[04:12] <muraii_> ...unless it's a .gz file, in which case you'll run "tar -xzfv <filename>"
[04:12] <mo0se> i installed that script but i still get an error when trying to access the partition.
[04:12] <Edison> yeah i know im following the steps
[04:12] <sexytrini> i have a question? How do i set up a wirless network with ubuntu?
[04:12] <bimberi> Edison: kk
[04:12] <intelikey> can f come before v in that chain muraii ?
[04:13] <scorchsaber> Hey, can anybody tell me why Runescape doesn't work on my linux computer?
[04:13] <manji> hey, is pine in the apt repositories?
[04:13] <jobezone> intelikey: yes :)
[04:13] <muraii_> intelikey: I'm pretty sure it can.  You don't even need the v, I'm sure.
[04:13] <Flannel> manji: yes
[04:13] <manji> Flannel: what name is it under? couldnt find it myself
[04:13] <intelikey> yes you don't need the v   but i thought that what ever followed the f had to be the file name
[04:14] <muraii_> intelikey: If it's a .gz file, though, I think the "z" has to come immediately after the "x", so tar will ungzip the file before untarring it.
[04:14] <scarn> auraii_ i am installing a new login screen. by choosing Install New Theme. and i get the error. can i install it directly?
[04:14] <bimberi> pine is not in the repos - there are issues with its license (iirc)
[04:14] <intelikey> muraii or before the x
[04:14] <muraii_> intelikey: No, you can switch them around, the f and the v.
[04:14] <manji> bimberi: hmmmm, any easy way to get it other than source?
[04:14] <sexytrini> i have a question? How do i set up a wirless network with ubuntu?
[04:15] <scorchsaber> Is there any reason that runescape does not work on my ubuntu desktop? Does it use some windows specific API, or something?
[04:15] <muraii_> scarn: Which error?
[04:15] <MrPockets> now is there anyway i can make the "lock screen" feature go to the Logon manager like Winblows does instead of the screen sdaver
[04:15] <NickGarvey> MrPockets: log out and save session instead?
[04:15] <Flannel> manji: erm, apparently it's not.  Odd.  Especialyl considering pgp4pine is in them, and it depends on pine.
[04:15] <intelikey> ok  what are some good light weight apps for x  ?
[04:15] <scarn> auraii  "file not a .tar.gz or tar archive"
[04:15] <MrPockets> dont wanna log out
[04:16] <scarn> but it is a tar.gz
[04:16] <muraii_> scarn: What is the filename?
[04:16] <manji> Flannel: yeah, somebody just told me that it isnt there because of licensing issues
[04:16] <Flannel> manji: eh, go figure.  You can compile it yourself though, obvously.
[04:16] <bimberi> manji: i'm not sure - you could try a debian package (if there is one) - make sure any uninstalled dependencies come from ubuntu repos though
[04:16] <scarn> auraii_ 29032-humanblue1.tar.gz
[04:17] <sexytrini> helppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[04:17] <manji> and oh yeah, is anyone else having trouble getting enlightenment16? apt-get seems to be having trouble connecting to it?
[04:17] <NickGarvey> sexytrini: doing that won't help you..
[04:17] <intelikey> now muraii_  as i was saying what ever follows the f has to be the file name.  and yes i just tested it.
[04:17] <bimberi> manji: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7589
[04:17] <jobezone> MrPockets: mmm... I don't think so, at least in a obvious way. You can search for themes for GDM which may have that option, or create/change a theme and add it. But I don't know how to do it.
[04:18] <scarn> yea, thats not sexy atall ;p
[04:18] <MrPockets> hmm
[04:18] <MrPockets> thanks man
[04:18] <muraii_> scarn: The only thing I can think of is that someone named the file with those extensions, but it actually wasn't compressed to those formats.
[04:18] <muraii_> ...but I don't know.
[04:18] <intelikey> tar -xzfv file.tar.gz  will fail with  "tar: v: Cannot open: No such file or directory"   while tar -xzvf file.tar.gz will work.
[04:18] <scarn> ok, ill try and google it
[04:18] <DBO> anyone ever have an issue with smeg's changes not showing up?
[04:19] <manji> bimberi: thanks much man
[04:19] <chip42> scarn: use the file command to confirm its what you think it is
[04:19] <bimberi> manji: np :)
[04:19] <intelikey> muraii_ are you paying attention ?
[04:19] <muraii_> intelikey: I'm happy to be to be wrong.  I had thought I'd swapped them in my experience, but I might be wrong.
[04:19] <muraii_> intelikey: Um, yes.
[04:19] <intelikey> ok.
[04:19] <scarn> oh and, sorry for mispelling your name muraii_ . the m is blurred a bit to look like an a here heh
[04:19] <muraii_> scarn: I don't mind.
[04:20] <scarn> when highlighted
[04:20] <scarn> ;)
[04:20] <AngryElf> hmm, so i was trying to link up a common /etc/hosts file among a bunch of computers, and in the process i rm'd the one on this box......now I get  sudo:unable to look up this_box_hostname via gethostname()
[04:20] <AngryElf> how can I work around that?
[04:20] <dbarnett> bah, it seems like the .deb is broken for lillypond
[04:20] <muraii_> scarn: I'm just using ircss's autocomplete feature, so I've probably obviated a few mispellings of your name, too.
[04:20] <intelikey> jobezone did you note what i just said ?
[04:21] <scarn> chip42 how do i do that exactly?
[04:21] <jobezone> sexytrini: there are a few pages at wiki.ubuntu.com about setting up wireless. This one is about chipsets and their support : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WirelessChipsets
[04:21] <manji> last question...is there a repository i can add that has mplayer-i386?
[04:21] <jobezone> intelikey: yes, aparently, the position of v matters?
[04:21] <NickGarvey> manji: should be in universe or multiverse
[04:21] <muraii_> Rather, seems the position of "f" matters.
[04:21] <chip42> scarn: heh. well ..man file... would have told you more than you wanted to know... but its just... file filename
[04:21] <manji> NickGarvey: thats my problem...its not in there (i have no idea why its not showing up for me, everyone says its there)
[04:21] <scarn> kk
[04:21] <chip42> scarn: and it will spit out the filetype
[04:22] <slavik> NickGarvey: gentoo people suck
[04:22] <bimberi> manji: what architecture are you using (i386, ppc, amd64)?
[04:22] <intelikey> jobezone it is more the fact that f means that the next thing is the file name.  not really important where v is just that f has to be followed by the file name.
[04:22] <manji> slavik: hey man, gentoo's kewl, no wars here today
[04:22] <bimberi> manji: also note that it's mplayer-386 (no "i")
[04:22] <manji> bimberi: im on i386
[04:22] <slavik> I am not starting a war ...
[04:23] <jobezone> intelikey: ahhhhhhhh...
[04:23] <manji> slavik: well, 'gentoo people suck' is a little hostile, though, wouldnt you say?
[04:23] <biovore> Moooo
[04:23] <slavik> manji: it has truth in it :P
[04:23] <biovore> :-P
[04:23] <chip42> manji: don't even bother. he's trolling and your in the nets! ;)
[04:23] <NickGarvey> slavik: haha they aren't as new person tolerant I guess
[04:23] <DBO> vacuums suck, and thats something we all can agree on, now lets move on
[04:23] <manji> chip42: but of course, thats why im stopping
[04:24] <slavik> NickGarvey: yea
[04:24] <slavik> anyway ...
[04:24] <muraii_> scarn: Any luck?
[04:24] <manji> NickGarvey: actually i really liked the gentoo irc channels, they are very helpful
[04:24] <slavik> upgrade to dapper, network manager is awesome
[04:24] <Zero|Popcorn> ok, here's my issue, I can bypass the hotplug system but then it says my displays don't work and exerv wont work then it takes me to some command screen:( please help
[04:24] <muraii_> I'm curious to know what's going on with your file.
[04:24] <slavik> my first irc gentoo run in started with an answer of 'rtfm'
[04:25] <me2win> slavik: nice
[04:25] <Zero|Popcorn> Does anyone know what is wrong?
[04:25] <me2win> slavik: welcome to the brighter side of linux
[04:25] <manji> slavik: well that admittedly is a bad response, but i have never run into that kind of harshness before (except in the debian channels ;-))
[04:25] <me2win> manji: yeah debian chans are bad
[04:25] <biovore> or #freebsd
[04:25] <DBO> I swear Debian users are really just bots that can only say RTFM...
[04:25] <biovore> :-P
[04:25] <manji> DBO: isnt that true...?
[04:25] <intelikey>     for future refferance   tar -vzxf file.tgz    works  the z x v can be in any order   but f has to be followed by the file name.
[04:26] <DBO> manji, thats what Mark told me
[04:26] <slavik> manji: them too
[04:26] <manji> slavik: do you run gentoo?
[04:26] <slavik> no
[04:26] <slavik> thank god
[04:26] <me2win> gentoo is for ricers
[04:26] <Zero|Popcorn> :biovore, I bypassed the hotplugg system but then it says xserv displays don't work, then it takes me to a comman scrren...?
[04:26] <me2win> :P
[04:26] <manji> slavik: lol, why such a pull-back response?
[04:26] <AngryElf> how do i make a program run as root after a user logs in?
[04:26] <biovore> Zero|Popcorn: yeah.. no hardware autodetection
[04:26] <slavik> I don't feel like compiling EVERY package I feel like installing and reinstalling 20 times
[04:26] <NickGarvey> slavik: hmm.. well it seems that they only got hostle after you complain about the compile time heh
[04:26] <Zero|Popcorn> How do I set it up?
[04:26] <manji> me2win: slavik: i personally love gentoo
[04:27] <muraii_> I'm all for friendliness and providing help to get people to use a system that exposes the computer to them; but endemic to the current effort is this idea that Linux has to be made to look and act like Windows, at least superficially, to win people over.  I'm kind of sick of seeing KDE and Gnome desktops that mimic Win.  It's pretty much not the point.

[04:27] <biovore> Zero|Popcorn: thats a very comlicated subject there..
[04:27] <NickGarvey> manji: I'm working on installing it now
[04:27] <NickGarvey> :)
[04:27] <Zero|Popcorn> BIOS?
[04:27] <muraii_> intelikey: Thanks for sharing.
[04:27] <biovore> Zero|Popcorn: no linux low level hacking..  manual installing modules and such
[04:27] <me2win> If I was gonan use something other than ubuntu
[04:27] <muraii_> I had stopped experimenting when I got tar to work, but now I know.
[04:27] <me2win> it would probably be Suse, or Slackware
[04:27] <manji> NickGarvey: *whisperwhisper* its actually my fav distro *whisper* but ubuntu is a close second
[04:27] <slavik> muraii_: do you want to attracks windows users? that attitude won't get them
[04:27] <Zero|Popcorn> Where can I find some support on this?
[04:28] <slavik> Zero|Popcorn: what ya need help with?
[04:28] <hephaistos> hey guys, i am having some trouble with my apt... could somebody give me his /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[04:28] <NickGarvey> me2win: suse has treated me well, running it now
[04:28] <Zero|Popcorn> Getting XSERV display to work.
[04:28] <slavik> !sources
[04:28] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:28] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: sure one second
[04:28] <me2win> NickGarvey: yeah, suse r0x
[04:28] <hephaistos> thx ;)
[04:28] <biovore> Zero|Popcorn: login and try startx
[04:28] <DBO> shhhh, Im a closet Novell fanboy
[04:28] <muraii_> slavik: I offer that if we pervert the quality of what Linux (or BSD or whatever) in an effort to pull Windows users over, we're losing almost as much ground as we're gaining.
[04:28] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: http://nickgarvey.no-ip.org/sources.list
[04:29] <Zero|Popcorn> type that in the command line?
[04:29] <manji> NickGarvey: me2win: i got tired of SuSE fairly quickly...having to run through yast to do much of anything got slightly annoying. but it is a solid distro, and i would take it any day over redhat/fedora
[04:29] <hephaistos> thx ;)
[04:29] <biovore> yup.. should start xwindows
[04:29] <Zero|Popcorn> yty brb
[04:29] <slavik> Zero|Popcorn: use pastebin and paste us any errors it gives you. do not paste to channel
[04:29] <Zero|Popcorn> kk
[04:29] <muraii_> I'm not saying everyone should go commando and hit the command line only.  I'm saying that it's a little tiring to see stuff on art.gnome.org that bloats toward cloning the look of Windows GUI.
[04:30] <me2win> tr00
[04:30] <NickGarvey> manji: yeah yast can be annoying but its pretty nice for some things too,  I don't like how freaking long it takes to install a package though, apt-get is so much faster/better
[04:30] <muraii_> slavik: That's just me, though.
[04:30] <muraii_> slavik: It's something of a n00b perspective.  I've only been "here" for a month or so.
[04:30] <NickGarvey> muraii_: I agree, I'd rather use linux for new and innovative things then recreations of windows (mm XGL is so pretty...)
[04:31] <intelikey> muraii_ hehhe.  i'll be the one to say.   go commando   gui is for kids games.
[04:31] <manji> NickGarvey: i guess thats why i like gentoo, i have plenty of patience to deal with compiling sources
[04:31] <NickGarvey> manji: me too, which is why I am going to try gentoo
[04:31] <NickGarvey> manji: I always go for sources over binaries
[04:31] <muraii_> slavik: I see it not unlike the candy vitamins you see: the idea is to fool kids into maintaining their health, as easily as possible; but it's a short-circuit.
[04:31] <slavik> muraii_: isn't KDE closer to windows? I wanted to try gnome because I wanted to try something different from KDE ...
[04:31] <manji> NickGarvey: if you need any help with it, dont hesitate to ask yours truly (i have been using gentoo for many years)
[04:31] <manji> NickGarvey: im happy to help
[04:32] <NickGarvey> manji: :) thanks a lot
[04:32] <intelikey> slavik  try blackbox
[04:32] <muraii_> slavik: I actually don't know.  Installed Ubuntu, played with my Gnome desktop for a while before I realized that it didn't strip enough of the garbage away that I wanted, so I installed Openbox 3 and haven't looked back.
[04:32] <manji> intelikey: slavik: my fav minimalistic wm: fluxbox
[04:33] <intelikey> bb is where flux came from
[04:33] <slavik> intelikey: I tried blackbox ... was too minimalist for me
[04:33] <muraii_> slavik: It's still graphical, and there's nothing wrong with using a variety of interface paradigms.  Gnome just felt kind of crowded and a little bloated, though not as much as what I've heard KDE can be.
[04:33] <manji> intelikey: slavik: tue, and it essentially uses the same code with major improvements, which is why i like it. and the fact that it is backwards-compatible with bb doesnt hurt, either
[04:33] <mram> muraii_: have you tried xfce?
[04:33] <slavik> muraii_: imo, KDE is 'larger' than gnome
[04:34] <NickGarvey> xfce is larger than flux but smaller than gnome and kde
[04:34] <intelikey> :)
[04:34] <NickGarvey> its a perfect inbetween, I like it a lot
[04:34] <intelikey> xfce4
[04:34] <intelikey> icewmlight
[04:34] <muraii_> I used MenuMaker, and it's freakin' insane how big a menu it gives you.  I don't really want to have every last application available to me through the right-click menu.  Just the core stuff.  Anything else, I can launch from a command line (so far, anyway).
[04:34] <intelikey> fvwm
[04:34] <jobezone> wmaker
[04:35] <muraii_> mram: No.  I was thinking of toying with Zenwalk 2 distro, which comes outta the box with xfce.
[04:35] <intelikey> ya beet me to that one.... i'll quit now.
[04:35] <Wes> muraii_: is openbox related to flux or blackbox?
[04:35] <mram> i tired xfce but came back to gnome because I am a gnome fan but I heard the new xfce with thundra file manager is pretty good
[04:35] <muraii_> Wes: They're cousins, though Openbox 3 doesn't have any of the legacy code anymore.  Rewritten completely, if memory serves.
[04:36] <mram> muraii_: yah i know a guy who uses zenwalk but he converted over to ubuntu when told him how great it is ;-)
[04:36] <intelikey> i kinda like gentoo on bb for a ubuntu setup
[04:37] <muraii_> mram: The file manager is the tricky thing.  I've got Nautilus in my right-click menu, but it wants to throw an icon on my desktop for a network drive I have (the Mac).  Plus, I have to switch to a different desktop to get to my Openbox 3 right-click menu.  I need to find a file manager that doesn't hijack my menu.xml settings.
[04:37] <manji> NickGarvey: hey, your sources.list (on your site) is tested, used, and working by you?
[04:37] <manji> NickGarvey: i could use a good sources file to get what i need
[04:37] <hephaistos> NickGarvey: I get this message, even with your file: "Couldn't stat source package list" ! is the server down, or did i screw up my system even more than i thought ?
[04:37] <intelikey> but most people don't seem to care much for gentoo, not iconsh enough i guess.
[04:38] <NickGarvey> manji: I haven't had any problems with it but I will look it over before I start giving it around
[04:38] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: did you apt-get update?
[04:38] <mram> muraii_: hmm yeah i have my ssh drive and my network drive on the desktop also, and want to get right of
[04:38] <muraii_> mram: Yeah, Zenwalk, being a Slackware derivative, sounds a bit more intermediate/advanced than I have the time to try out.
[04:38] <hephaistos> yep
[04:38] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: let me look it over.. worked fine for me..
[04:38] <muraii_> mram: I want no icons at all.  I never use 'em, so they're just clutter.
[04:38] <muraii_> Key binding is essential.
[04:38] <NickGarvey> I'd delete the opera line..
[04:39] <doms> why i cant preview my helloworld.php in my firefox
[04:39] <mram> muraii_: i hear you on the no icons thing
[04:39] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: and maybe line 2 and 3
[04:39] <jobezone> muraii_: I think you can launch nautilus with no desktop... perhaps nautilus --no-desktop ? I'm not sure how
[04:39] <intelikey> wow three of you singing my song....
[04:39] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: although it runs fine for me
[04:39] <muraii_> jobezone: Yeah, I have that in the switches.  Maybe I have a typo or something.
[04:40] <hephaistos> apt-get update tells me that i may want to run apt-get update????!!!!!! Yea, it seams to be a problem with .nl servers(seems to have no key?!)
[04:40] <muraii_> jobezone: That's EXACTLY what's at work.  I have "nodesktop" instead of "no-desktop".
[04:41] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: that would be it
[04:41] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: register the keys
[04:41] <hephaistos> how ?
[04:41] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: less /apt/etc/sources.list
[04:41] <_jason> muraii_: in gconf /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop
[04:41] <NickGarvey> hephaistos: says in the first 20 lines of the file
[04:41] <Zero|Popcorn> Biovore: startx - no screens found
[04:41] <hephaistos> yea
[04:41] <jobezone> muraii_: and does it work now?
[04:41] <_jason> muraii_: or maybe I am jumping into the middle of something and you are not using gnome :P
[04:42] <sapaki> hi how are you?
[04:42] <omule> hi
[04:42] <NickGarvey> hello
[04:43] <jobezone> _jason: he's using nautilus on xfce4, but doesn't want nautilus to put a desktop.
[04:43] <Zero|Popcorn> I know this is a Ubuntu channel but how do I delete Ubuntu to install another distro, without having grub giving me errors when Ipop a new cd in?
[04:43] <omule> anybody else have any problems playing audio and video on breezy?
[04:43] <_jason> ah, /me remembers to /lastlog next time
[04:44] <TheMuso> Does anybody have any idea on how to force a laptop to full CPU usage if it has frequency scaling?
[04:44] <thomasM> hello, I am having trouble generating sources from cvs. I download the cvs sources, run autogen.sh, and i get errors when checking for "forbidden M4 macros"        Am i missing something??
[04:44] <intelikey> Zero|Popcorn rm all but /boot
[04:44] <muraii_> jobezone: Works perfectly now.
[04:44] <TheMuso> thomasM: Is this a GNOME application you are trying to build?
[04:44] <muraii_> _jason: Oh, no, not using Gnome.  But thanks for the hint.
[04:44] <sapaki> how can i install kde gui on ubuntu
[04:44] <_jason> !kde
[04:44] <ubotu> kde is probably A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[04:45] <jobezone> thomasM: you can use the cpu frequency applet, if you're using gnome. But, you have to make it setuid
[04:45] <Zero|Popcorn> intelikey: What does that mean?
[04:45] <intelikey> Zero|Popcorn everything grub needs is in /boot and the mbr
[04:45] <muraii_> _jason: I have very little idea of the topology of the filesystem.
[04:45] <jobezone> thomasM: and to do that, let me find a page...
[04:45] <thomasM> TheMuso: Yes i've tried both Banshee CVS and Rhythmbox CVS
[04:45] <thomasM> jobezone: You are talking to the wrong person!!
[04:45] <TheMuso> Have you got the gnome-common package installed? That might help.
[04:45] <_jason> muraii_: actually gconf is kind of like a database for gnome and that path I gave was just a key in the gconf database
[04:46] <thomasM> TheMuso: i will try that. I'm in between Breezy and Dapper. I expected difficulties. Thankyou.
[04:46] <thomasM> TheMuso: I already had that.
[04:46] <muraii_> So, if I've installed Blender but the display is funky, e.g. when I mouse over buttons or menu items, they're blanked out as if the mouse has pulled a grey layer over them, where should I start looking?
[04:46] <Zero|Popcorn> So how do I delete all the other stuff to install another one?
[04:46] <jobezone> thomasM: ooops, sorry
[04:46] <TheMuso> thomasM: Got libtool installed?
[04:46] <mphill> is it possible in gnome for when a user puts the mouse on the side of the screen is switches to a new window?
[04:46] <anandaputra> hi all..
[04:46] <muraii_> NVidia Riva TNT2, with the legacy driver.
[04:46] <anandaputra> i need help..
[04:46] <NickGarvey> hello
[04:46] <jobezone> TheMuso: you can use the cpu frequency applet, if you're using gnome. But, you have to make it setuid
[04:46] <NickGarvey> ask away anandaputra, you are in the right place :)
[04:46] <anandaputra> i'm using dapper drake as desktop.
[04:46] <intelikey> Zero|Popcorn rm it
[04:46] <thomasM> TheMuso: Yes it was installed.
[04:47] <muraii_> "nvidia" rather than "nv" as the driver in X prefs.
[04:47] <Zero|Popcorn> rm?
[04:47] <NickGarvey> !tell anandaputra about dapper
[04:47] <intelikey> rm
[04:47] <jobezone> TheMuso: and to do that, see this page: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/11/04/enabling-cpu-frequency-scaling/
[04:47] <TheMuso> jobezone: Thanks.
[04:47] <Zero|Popcorn> What does the mean, I'm very new to linux
[04:47] <muraii_> I couldn't get OpenGL screensavers to work right until I made that driver change.
[04:47] <anandaputra> i want to transfer an image from cell phone via bluetooth..
[04:47] <thomasM> TheMuso: Any other ideas?
[04:47] <anandaputra> anyone could guide me how to do it?
[04:47] <TheMuso> thomasM: Without knowing what m4 macros are missing, it is hard to say.
[04:48] <muraii_> anandaputra: Anything at wiki.ubuntu.org that would explain some of that?
[04:48] <mphill> Zero|Popcorn, rm is short for remove, its the same as DOS's del command, sort of
[04:48] <thomasM> TheMuso: Can I privately message you with them?
[04:48] <Zero|Popcorn> kk ty
[04:49] <matthew_w> Hey - my bit torrent downloads are going INCREDIBLY SLOWLY because ( I think ) of ubuntu denying incoming connections, so less bandwidth is being alotted to me and I'm classed as a leecher.... how can I allow more incoming connections?
[04:49] <TheMuso> thomasM: Sure.
[04:49] <TheMuso> jobezone: Thanks again.
[04:49] <thomasM> how many seeds do you have?
[04:49] <jobezone> TheMuso: no problem
[04:49] <matthew_w> thomasM; over 200
[04:49] <buckwild> has anyone here ever compiled a xmms plugin before?
[04:49] <muraii_> matthew_w: Wow, I tried a .torrent of Blender tonight, and it MAXED at, like, 3 kbps.
[04:49] <intelikey> zero|popcorn  something like   sudo init 1     then    " for this in `ls / -1 ` ;do rm `echo $this | grep -v boot` ;done "
[04:49] <NickGarvey> !anyone
[04:49] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? </hint>
[04:49] <anandaputra> i was read the wiki..
[04:49] <buckwild> I'd really like to compile this null output plugin for xmms but I have no idea how to do it?
[04:49] <TheMuso> thomasM: Feel fee to msg me, as I am going to leave the channel.
[04:49] <slavik> muraii_: on your gentoo system?
[04:49] <buckwild> ? = .
[04:49] <matthew_w> muraii_; yeah, I have a T1 line, and I'm getting 20 kb/s -_-
[04:50] <NickGarvey> buckwild: have build-essential? if not "sudo apt-get build-essential"
[04:50] <intelikey> oh add -R  to that rm string....
[04:50] <muraii_> slavik: Only system is an Ubuntu system.
[04:50] <NickGarvey> buckwild: if you are unsure, then you don't
[04:50] <thomasM> TheMuso: i just messaged you.
[04:50] <anandaputra> i already could connect to the device. but still dont know how to transfer the file from the device
[04:50] <muraii_> slavik: ...and the Mac, but that's really more my fiances.
[04:50] <hephaistos> think about your upload
[04:50] <TheMuso> thomasM: Are you registered with freenode? Because I haven't received anything.
[04:50] <muraii_> matthew_w: That pretty much blows.
[04:50] <matthew_w> muraii_; if I could find what I want on FTP I would get about 1.5MB/s lol
[04:51] <buckwild> nickGarvey: I need it tho, I'm using icecast to stream from XMMS and I want to install the null-output plugin, but there's none in the repositories
[04:51] <thomasM> TheMuso: no..
[04:51] <matthew_w> Which would speed up this 2gb download.  Anyway, if anyone knows how to open ports to incoming connections...
[04:51] <NickGarvey> buckwild: ok then apt-get the file I said
[04:51] <muraii_> matthew_w: I know; but reruns of Magnum PI aren't out there on FTP.  I've looked.
[04:51] <muraii_> ;)
[04:51] <matthew_w> Unfortunately :D
[04:51] <anandaputra> i also install gnome-bluetooth-manager.. but it can't find the device..
[04:51] <thomasM> TheMuso: no i'm not
[04:51] <buckwild> NickGarvey: I already have the build-essentials installed, what do I do from there?  Can I speak with you in a private channel?
[04:52] <anandaputra> but when i did "sudo hidd --search" it ound the device..
[04:52] <muraii_> buckwild: For tar commands, ask intelikey.
[04:52] <CokeNCode> hey, goodnight everyone, what do i need to download to play wmv files ?
[04:52] <TheMuso> thomasM: There is no priv channel, but we can just create one for the purpose.
[04:52] <NickGarvey> buckwild: :) is it a .tar.gz? if so then "tar xvfz filename.tar.gz"
[04:52] <anandaputra> is there any other frontend for connecting to bluetoot device?
[04:52] <muraii_> CokeNCode: I'd be surprised if VLC didn't work.
[04:52] <sneex> CokeNCode, you need to apt-get install w32codecs
[04:53] <buckwild> NickGarvey: yeah it is, okay then after the tar it's typically what after that?
[04:53] <thomasM> TheMuso: Yes i recieved your message
[04:53] <buckwild> NickGarvey: I'm gonna put this in a text file so I never have to feel like an idiot again
[04:53] <NickGarvey> buckwild: cd ./directory_of_file
[04:53] <WhitePerson> hi
[04:53] <TheMuso> thomasM: join #privchan
[04:53] <CokeNCode> sneex, thanks
[04:54] <buckwild> ok, then what
[04:54] <CokeNCode> muraii_, strangely enough, it doesn't open a few of my wmv files
[04:54] <NickGarvey> buckwild: then "less INSTALL" usually, if thats not there then "less README" normally, basically look for the readme
[04:54] <CokeNCode> I think it worked for everything also
[04:54] <NickGarvey> buckwild: although the default 3 commands are "./configure" "make" "sudo make install"
[04:54] <NickGarvey> buckwild: but reading the readme will never do you any harm, so do it
[04:54] <NickGarvey> :)
[04:54] <muraii_> NickGarvey, sneex : Just for your information, intelikey seemed to have made the case earlier that the "f" had to come at the end of the switch list, so "tar -xzvf filename.tar.gz" would work.  Also, I thought the "z" had to come immediately after the "x".  At least that's been my experience.
[04:54] <muraii_> CokeNCode: Wow.
[04:55] <muraii_> CokeNCode: Since I didn't know about w32codecs, it's good you asked the question.
[04:55] <NickGarvey> muraii_: wait, the order matters?
[04:55] <NickGarvey> muraii_: I do it in a different order everytime heh
[04:55] <slavik> muraii_: I used zxvf a lot ... no problem
[04:55] <buckwild> NickGarvey: no readme on this one, they like to let me fly without a safety net
[04:55] <muraii_> NickGarvey: I hadn't thought so until I couldn't get stuff to untar.
[04:55] <NickGarvey> muraii_: do an ls to be sure, it might be in all caps or such
[04:56] <NickGarvey> muraii_: odd, I generally hit the one I remember first and so on heh
[04:56] <muraii_> NickGarvey: I let the terminal autocomplete the filename, so that's not the issue.
[04:56] <sneex> i personally use tar --exclude file.tgz zxvf file.tgz ...files
[04:56] <muraii_> NickGarvey: I don't pretend I know what I'm doing, so you're forewarned.
[04:57] <mike930> is there a good personal finance program out there?
[04:57] <muraii_> mike930: I'm starting to try gnucash.
[04:57] <muraii_> It has a CRAPLOAD of dependencies, though.
[04:57] <NickGarvey> muraii_: ha I don't either, no worries ):
[04:57] <drexelxxxx> apt is nice for htat
[04:57] <muraii_> Of course, that's not a logistical problem for installation.  I just get a little freaked out when there are 30 other programs to install.
[04:58] <NickGarvey> s/):/:)/
[04:58] <drexelxxxx> not 30 programs usually it is libraries
[04:58] <drexelxxxx> and they are shared
[04:58] <mike930> how would you rate gnucash?
[04:58] <drexelxxxx> most of the time
[04:58] <muraii_> drexelxxxx: Semantics.
[04:58] <drexelxxxx> I haven't used it yet
[04:58] <drexelxxxx> I'm going to though
[04:58] <anandaputra> hi all.. please help me.. how to transfer file from cellphone SonyEricson K700 to my Dapper Drake box via bluetooth?? I use USB bluetooth adapter.
[04:59] <drexelxxxx> would be nice to have something safe to use
[04:59] <muraii_> mike930: I can't honestly say from a user perspective.  I read a variety of reviews, and it seemed to be tops on the list unless you wanted to pay for Moneydance.
[04:59] <muraii_> drexelxxxx: That should've been "Semantics <g>."
[04:59] <drexelxxxx> I don't pay in linux
[04:59] <drexelxxxx> :)
[05:00] <muraii_> mike930: TheKompany makes a KDE-based personal finance program, too; but I can't remember what it's called.
[05:00] <muraii_> I don't thin it's free, either, though.
[05:01] <muraii_> gnucash is free, and is pretty robust, and actually is based on pretty rigid accounting techniques such that it's been written that it has a learning curve.  Supposedly, the newest version is geared toward the simple checkbook user.
[05:01] <muraii_> Geared more than previous versions, anyway.
[05:01] <muraii_> There are a few cogent reviews out there, that seem to make sense.
[05:02] <muraii_> I played with Moneydance (Moneydancer?) on OS X, and it was okay.
[05:02] <mike930> thanks for the info
[05:02] <muraii_> My bank doesn't use Quicken's new proprietary QXF standard (I think that's it), though, so I would want to have something that imported the QIF files I *can* get.
[05:03] <mram> muraii_: gnucash is it really that good?
[05:03] <muraii_> Oddly enough, gnucash doesn't work natively with comma delimited files.
[05:03] <muraii_> mram: It looks nice.  That's as far as I've gone with it.
[05:03] <mike930> I'm just trying to find some programs, I haven't used linux in like 6 years so I'm kind of relearing.
[05:03] <mram> muraii_: :-) looking nice never hurt no one.
[05:04] <muraii_> mike930: I installed Debian once upon a time, and tried to get a coupla BSD flavors up and running; but I haven't until recently had the convergence of time and frustration with other systems to really give it a go.
[05:04] <muraii_> mram: True.
[05:04] <CarlFK> how do I tell what driver is used for /dev/wlan0 ?
[05:04] <muraii_> mram: Kind of.
[05:04] <mram> muraii_: getting it right now to check it out
[05:04] <muraii_> CarlFK: Does ifconfig tell you that?
[05:04] <carbo> hi, i've got a question about email / PIM... should I use evolution since it seems to be integrated into ubuntu? I prefer thunderbird on its own but I need a calendar and shared address book
[05:05] <CarlFK> muraii_: nope
[05:05] <muraii_> mram: Did you see the dependencies?
[05:05] <muraii_> CarlFK: Does "lsmod | grep wlan0" show you the driver?
[05:05] <fwp> !java
[05:05] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:05] <muraii_> I thought it might.
[05:05] <muraii_> ...but maybe not.
[05:06] <CarlFK> muraii_: nothing
[05:06] <mram> muraii_ synaptic got all i needed
[05:06] <muraii_> CarlFK: Crap.
[05:06] <muraii_> mram: Yeah, it's painless.  I guess I'm still so used to Windows that when I see 20-30 other utilities and libraries going in my system, I'm something less than at ease.
[05:07] <cens0red> Hi. I seem to be having difficulty with my apt-get repositories. " Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages"
[05:07] <muraii_> CarlFK: Well, sorry I couldn't help more.  I have no clue.
[05:07] <CarlFK> tx for trying
[05:07] <mram> muraii_: haha, i am trying to move away from windows!
[05:07] <muraii_> cens0red: apt-get update?
[05:07] <muraii_> mram: Me too.
[05:07] <x1n933k> Can anyone point out how I can load ubuntu right into shell instead of loading X, i don't want to play with around /etc until I know more details
[05:07] <cens0red> muraii_ yeah. is archive.ubuntu.com down? Haven't been able to connect to it for days.
[05:07] <buckwild> ok, I'm trying to compile something and it's saying that glib1.2 isn't installed but it is
[05:07] <SmokeW33d> hello
[05:07] <buckwild> it's calling it "GLIB" tho, that's why it's saying it isn't installed
[05:08] <buckwild> is there a flag I use to get it to work?
[05:08] <NickGarvey> x1n933k: what I do is chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[05:08] <SmokeW33d> hello
[05:08] <mram> muraii_: although xp pro is good, it's just microsoft makes it so hard to customize you system to make it your own, and with vista they are being more and more anal
[05:08] <SmokeW33d> i was wondering how to install xubuntu
[05:08] <muraii_> cens0red: I had that problem a few days ago; but when I did the update things worked fine for me.
[05:08] <NickGarvey> x1n933k: makes it so gdm isn't executable anymore, and when booting it will just be skipped over
[05:08] <SmokeW33d> i got the base installtion done im in text mode (no gui)
[05:08] <jobezone> x1n933k: you can just remove gdm.
[05:08] <cens0red> : Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:08] <NickGarvey> x1n933k: to put it back is chmod +x /etc/init.d/gdm
[05:09] <bimberi> !xubuntu
[05:09] <ubotu> well, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[05:09] <carbo> should I use Evolution or is there a better email/calendar app
[05:09] <bimberi> SmokeW33d: ^^^^^
[05:09] <x1n933k> Thank you
[05:09] <mram> muraii_: ttyl
[05:09] <bimberi> SmokeW33d: (if you have access to a browser)
[05:09] <muraii_> mram: Yeah.  XP hogs the system I have it on (my work computer, so I don't own it).  I tried--what is it--NextLite or something, a way to replace iexplorer.exe as Windows shell.  That lets you customize similarly to Linux; but it seemed even MORE cumbersome.
[05:09] <timo> does anyone in here used LDC++ and know how to resolve a problem that makes my client rehash files everytime i start LDC++?
[05:09] <tiasrr> hi there. i've installed one package from suse (using alien) and now i'm unable to remove it. I have tried "dpkg --force-all -r" but it desn't work. i'm getting this: "ERROR: SuSEconfig or requested SuSEconfig module not present!" and this: "underprocess post-removal scirpt has returned error code 1". So how can i force dpkg to remove that package?
[05:10] <muraii_> Alright, folks.  It's been educational.  Good evening.
[05:11] <jobezone> bye
[05:11] <SmokeW33d> if i want to upgarde to dapper
[05:11] <SmokeW33d> i just change everythign from breezy to dapper?
[05:12] <SmokeW33d> in my source list?
[05:12] <ps> in the xscreensaver -> display power management . what is the difference b/w "Standby, suspend and off" ?
[05:12] <jobezone> right now? you could also run 'update-manager -r'
[05:12] <NickGarvey> !tell SmokeW33d about upgrade
[05:13] <SmokeW33d> im in gui mode
[05:13] <SmokeW33d> no gui
[05:14] <drexelxxxx> how do we update Glibc2.1
[05:14] <jobezone> SmokeW33d: so yes, change the names, then 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[05:14] <cens0red> anyone know where I can find a list of up to date repositories? I haven't been able to connect to archive.ubuntu.com for days. :(
[05:14] <intelikey> updating glibc is a major operation      no?
[05:14] <alpjohns> has anyone installed ubuntu on a mac?
[05:14] <jobezone> SmokeW33d: and comment out any non-ubuntu repository you may have added to sources.list.
[05:15] <ps> what is the difference b/w "Standby, suspend and off"  in power management?
[05:15] <intelikey> cens0red the archive.ubuntu.com repos work fine for me...  is your sources.list bad ?
[05:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !repos
[05:16] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[05:17] <intelikey> standby is running but nothing happening  suspend is low cycle idle   and off is off
[05:18] <ps> intelikey: does that relate only to my monitor? or does my computer shutdown if there is no activity(off) for 60 minutes?
[05:18] <Juhaz> those terms could be talking about monitor, or computer
[05:18] <Juhaz> depends on what dialog you're looking at
[05:19] <intelikey> ps that can go either way according to settings
[05:19] <ps> i'm looking at my Xscreensaver settings -> display power management....
[05:19] <ps> i dont want my computer to shutdown....
[05:20] <mike930> If i download a program with the .deb extension, how do I install it?
[05:21] <ps> mike930: man dpkg
[05:21] <intelikey> ps in that case prolly both.    it's for note books mainly
[05:21] <ps> oh ok...
[05:22] <tiasrr> how can i force package deinstallation? i mean "really" force, dpkg --force-all -r doesn't work for me
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> !apt-get
[05:22] <ubotu> it has been said that apt-get is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/apt-howto.en.txt (in depth) and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto
[05:22] <Amaranth> bah
[05:22] <shizz> _jason i have a question for you are you there?
[05:23] <jobezone> mike930: 'sudo dpkg -i package.deb'
[05:23] <_jason> shizz: yes, but it's best to just address the channel, that way everyone can help
[05:23] <shizz> ok sure thing
[05:23] <jobezone> tiasrr: I don't know of another way than what you tried to forcefully remove a package from the dpkg database :/
[05:24] <tiasrr> that sucks :/
[05:24] <intelikey> tiasrr the list in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.list   could be fed into an rm command then remove the list file and any postrm script for that package and uninstall it that way...
[05:25] <shizz> i am needing help with compiling an application named gparted v 0.2.4 its a partition program. I was ablt to download it with out any problem but i dont have the gcc complier and other tools that i need to build the source. I need help with finding all the tools that i need to be able to build applications securely. can someone help with some tips?
[05:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ffs
[05:25] <ravenmind_dj> Ubuntu sucks!                                                                                Ubuntu sucks!
[05:26] <Hobbsee> lovely
[05:26] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Can you handle this? I was right in the middle of something
[05:27] <Amaranth> I've got +m set, ban them as you see them. :)
[05:27] <Hobbsee> argh!
[05:27] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ping!  help me here!
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: um...help please...
[05:28] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Never dealt with one of these before? :)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: not that quickly  - i dont have a client with decent scritping
[05:28] <Amaranth> neither do i, this is manual
[05:28] <Hobbsee> they've all got different hostnames too...
[05:29] <ajmitch_> problems?
[05:29] <intelikey> not really ajmitch_
[05:29] <Amaranth> the 3 who were doing it are now banned
[05:29] <ajmitch_> ok, good
[05:29] <shizz> can someone at least say that they can see me text
[05:29] <NickGarvey> shizz: :)
[05:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> shizz: oy
[05:29] <shizz> lol hey
[05:29] <ps> hi
[05:30] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I'm mostly here, ping for help if you need it.
[05:30] <shizz> what up?
[05:30] <NickGarvey> ps: ax
[05:30] <_jason> shizz: gparted is in the repositories
[05:30] <shizz> im having some issues with getting my env set up
[05:30] <matthew_w> wth was that
[05:30] <shizz> ah which one?
[05:30] <fwp> can someone, for the love of god, explain to me why java-package is SO elusive???
[05:30] <_jason> !info gparted
[05:30] <ubotu> gparted: (partition editor for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.8+cvs2005061901-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 236 kB, Installed size: 1260 kB
[05:30] <_jason> shizz: and for the future, you need 'build-essential' to build stuff
[05:30] <jobezone> what's just happened with the channel?
[05:30] <shizz> im trying to get all the tools so that i can build sources securely
[05:31] <Hobbsee> jobezone: spam bots
[05:31] <_jason> ubotu: tell jobezone about compile
[05:31] <buckwild> I have build-essential
[05:31] <buckwild> and this is still whining about glib
[05:31] <NickGarvey> buckwild: then apt-get glib
[05:31] <shizz> build-essential is that in the repositories? and is that all i need?
[05:31] <buckwild> I see this question popping up on the forums, but nobody has an answer that will work for me
[05:31] <ic56> is the channel wroking again?
[05:31] <ic56> ok
[05:31] <buckwild> glib isn't a package
[05:31] <ic56> tiasrr: since the package you want to uninstall is from SuSE, the reason uninstall is failing is probably because the uninstall script is assuming SuSE-specific stuff in the system and thus failing.  You will have to either find the failing uninstall script and modify it to work in Ubuntu or you will have to manually remove the package w/out the benefit of package management tools.
[05:31] <NickGarvey> buckwild: second..
[05:31] <intelikey> fwp i have no idea.  i don't do java or windows
[05:31] <buckwild> I already have libglib1.2 installed, 2.0, 1.2 dev, 2.0 dev
[05:31] <buckwild> what gives
[05:32] <shizz> what is this build essentials?
[05:32] <mike930> When I use dpkg it give me a list of dependencies it has. Do I have to track down each one or is there another way
[05:32] <Amaranth> buckwild: What's the problem?
[05:32] <intelikey> !b-e
[05:32] <ubotu> hmm... b-e is no make ?  you need build-essential or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to do a    sudo aptitude install build-essential.
[05:32] <shizz> does build essentials have gcc and all the other tools?
[05:33] <Amaranth> yes
[05:33] <buckwild> Amaranth: I'm trying to build a xmms plugin and I get a message about needing glib 1.2 >=, when I have libglib1.2 2.0 and both devs installed
[05:33] <psw> ubotu tell me about using ubuntu as a web server
[05:33] <NickGarvey> buckwild: its there
[05:33] <NickGarvey> buckwild: libglib2.0-0
[05:33] <intelikey> it's a meta package that depends on what you need to build things.
[05:33] <Amaranth> buckwild: weird
[05:33] <psw> ubotu tell me about web server
[05:33] <psw> ubotu tell me about webserver
[05:34] <NickGarvey> !tell psw about apache
[05:34] <Amaranth> intelikey: Actually it's a meta package that includes everything a buildd will have by default (so your package doesn't have to build-depend on it).
[05:34] <NickGarvey> :)
[05:34] <shizz> is gparted a pretty good tool for partioning ?
[05:34] <harisund> psw if you want to message Ubotu, use /msg ubotu <string>
[05:34] <buckwild> nickgarvey: got that installed, along with the dev version
[05:34] <psw> wooo thanks NickGarvey :)
[05:34] <NickGarvey> psw: in the future "/msg ubotu factoid"
[05:34] <Amaranth> intelikey: it just happens to work for this too :)
[05:34] <NickGarvey> buckwild: and whats it complaining about then?
[05:34] <psw> oh ok.... thanks i will... sort of new here
[05:34] <NickGarvey> shizz: used it an hour ago, worked fine
[05:34] <NickGarvey> psw: :)
[05:34] <shizz> thanks
[05:34] <shizz> what about that build essentials
[05:34] <shizz> whats up with that
[05:35] <Amaranth> shizz: Install it and you can compile things.
[05:35] <NickGarvey> shizz: need it to compile things, its got make and stuff
[05:35] <Thinjon100> Can anyone tell me how I might get GRUB to install on hda2 for my Dapper Drake installation? I mounted hda2 as /boot but I cannot currently boot into it... (I get a grub> prompt that does nothing)
[05:35] <shizz> is that all i need?
[05:35] <shizz> to build c apps
[05:35] <NickGarvey> !tell Thinjon100 about grub
[05:35] <harisund> I have a quick question. Why are certain packages forcibly associated with ubuntu-desktop? I want to uninstall postfix, and it says it has to remove Ubuntu-desktop package as well.
[05:35] <buckwild> nickgarvey: I don't know, I think it doesn't see the glibs there for some reason
[05:35] <intelikey> meta package that includes ????       errr meta packages depend  don't they ?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> (seems that most ops arent watching, so i've opped bimberi for a bit - he's a kubuntu op)
[05:35] <Amaranth> Thinjon100: /boot is where your kernel is, you want to tell grub to boot to the / partition
[05:35] <NickGarvey> buckwild: whats it say
[05:35] <intelikey> symantic.
[05:36] <buckwild> oh, my bad
[05:36] <shizz> im going to have to build this NdisWrapper
[05:36] <Hobbsee> er, i think
[05:36] <buckwild> it's complaining about gtk now
[05:36] <buckwild> nm, I'm a moron
[05:36] <buckwild> hahaha
[05:36] <NickGarvey> :)
[05:36] <shizz> its for my wireless router
[05:36] <NickGarvey> shizz: yup, I did the same, use the svn version if you can
[05:36] <Thinjon100> Amaranth: I mounted / to hdg3 /boot to hda2... I want GRUB on hda2 (where I had it installed for Breezy)
[05:36] <shizz> svn version of build essentials?
[05:36] <harisund> Has anybody tried using xdmcp to Ubuntu GDM through Windows Cygwin?
[05:37] <Amaranth> shizz: No, there is no svn version.
[05:37] <intelikey> Hobbsee just don't op the kid needing baned  lol
[05:37] <NickGarvey> Thinjon100: is it already installed there?
[05:37] <shizz> did you get the wireless router working
[05:37] <Amaranth> shizz: It's a meta-package. It doesn't actually have anything it in, it just pulls in other packages.
[05:37] <NickGarvey> Thinjon100: I'll copy and paste information from the link ubotu sent you
[05:37] <eneried> hello, i'm looking for this library, but i cant find it "libltdl.so.3:"
[05:37] <shizz> what is the svn?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> intelikey: LOL!  i fixed that alias - hardcoded in all my nicks.
[05:37] <shizz> ah
[05:37] <NickGarvey> shizz: subversion, most recent version of it
[05:37] <Amaranth> shizz: If you need svn install the subversion package.
[05:37] <shizz> is there a url or something
[05:37] <Amaranth> shizz: If that's what you meant.
[05:37] <NickGarvey> shizz: apt-get instal subversion :)
[05:37] <shizz> ah
[05:37] <NickGarvey> s/instal/install
[05:37] <Thinjon100> NickGarvey: My GRUB from Breezy should still be there... but when Windows redirects from it's bootloader I jsut get teh GRUB prompt
[05:37] <shizz> ok i understand
[05:37] <shizz> thanks
[05:37] <eneried> how can i know wich package have this library? "libltdl.so.3:"
[05:38] <intelikey> ic56 you here ?
[05:38] <FearMoth> I've got a 256MB thumbdrive, can I write a bootable ISO file to it as if it was a CD?
[05:38] <NickGarvey> Thinjon100:   sudo grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda
[05:38] <Thinjon100> I'll look at those links, Nick... thank you :)
[05:38] <NickGarvey> Thinjon100: might work, but it says update grub works well to
[05:38] <NickGarvey> Thinjon100: so don't run that just yet :)
[05:38] <harisund> eneried: try doing "dpkg --list | grep libltdl"
[05:38] <shizz> ok well i just installed the gparted. im going try that out. ill be back in a few. thanks for your help  ;)
[05:38] <harisund> eneried: I have a package installed on my machine by that name
[05:39] <Thinjon100> Do you think I need to try refreshing my linux.bin file first?
[05:39] <eneried> harisund, thanks :)
[05:39] <NickGarvey> I'm taking off, I have some gentoo compiling to do :), and I am not sure but the first link of the set looked very well written
[05:39] <harisund> eneried: np :-)
[05:40] <harisund> Why do all sort of wierd packages get installed? bicycle-repair .. lol ..
[05:41] <eimajenthat> hello?
[05:42] <harisund> eimajenthat: Hello there !
[05:42] <intelikey> ic56  i have an issue with the single quote key.   don't know why.   there is no .inputrc   and  key map US-latin1  loading propperly   but the ' key does a print it without advancing the cursor thing,        those are all two key presses  'i  'a  'o   should have shown   ?       was just wondering if there was an easy fix for that?
[05:42] <eneried> harisund, how can i get an update of that file? "libltdl.so.1" this is the one i have but i need number 3 "libltdl.so.3" :(
[05:42] <harisund> eneried: I am really not sure. If it is not uptodate in the repositories, you might need to manually download it, and probably compile from source or something like that.
[05:42] <eimajenthat> irc always puts me a little off guard.  Never been to Ubuntu's IRC server, didn't know existed till just now
[05:43] <eimajenthat> does it have channels fo different Ubuntu-related topics?
[05:43] <eneried> harisund, thanks, then i continue searching :)
[05:43] <eimajenthat> or is it all in here?
[05:44] <harisund> eneried: Hang on, my machine has libltdl.so.3.1.0
[05:44] <harisund> eneried: Are you sure you are running the most up to date system?
[05:44] <bimberi> eimajenthat: it's mostly in here, but there are a lot of other channels - '/msg chanserv list #*ubuntu*'
[05:44] <eimajenthat> thanks
[05:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> eimajenthat: There's a lot more than just ubuntu-related stuff on this server, but yeah, there are lots of 'specialized' channels.  #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #kubuntu, plus a ton of localized channels.
[05:45] <eneried> i have dapper and some breezy packages :( so i think that lib you say is inside a pakcage, but i don't know how tyo look for
[05:45] <eimajenthat> does Ubuntu have a version for Athlon64?
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> eimajenthat,  yes.
[05:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> eimajenthat: yes, there's an AMD64 version
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> eimajenthat,  but i use the 32bit version for various reasons
[05:45] <harisund> eneried: what did dpkg --list | grep libltdl3 return?
[05:45] <harisund> Did it return you a name of a package? eneried, onc eyou have the name of the package, you can list all the files that belong to the package.
[05:45] <{alejandro}> I am running 64 bit
[05:46] <blind> anywhere i can get some documentation on "convert" ?
[05:46] <eimajenthat> Cool, I'm running plain old X86 here, but I've got an A64.  Seems a shame to waste it.
[05:46] <{alejandro}> it works nicely as long as you don't want Flash
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> man convert
[05:46] <{alejandro}> or to be able to use WINE
[05:46] <blind> doesn't give me anything, Dr_Willis.
[05:46] <eneried> harisund :( nothing
[05:46] <eimajenthat> Would I have to reinstall to get 64-bitness?
[05:46] <harisund> eneried: In my machine, it said the package name is libltdl3. I then did "dpkg --listfiles libltdl3"
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> {alejandro},  i had issues with wine, and cedega, and several emulators as well.
[05:46] <blind> I mean, there is a file, but it's nearly empty. copywrite info, etc
[05:46] <eimajenthat> Or is there a way to upgrade?
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> eimajenthat,  reinstall as far as i know.
[05:46] <{alejandro}> eiajenthat yeah you would
[05:46] <harisund> eneried: probably you could do "sudo apt-cache search libltdl3"
[05:47] <eimajenthat> bummer, I just got everything how I like it
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> :p
[05:47] <{alejandro}> Dr_Willis WINE... is not an emulator
[05:47] <blind> Dr_Willis, it does images.
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> {alejandro},  yea.. sure... whatever.. :P
[05:47] <blind> Wine is an emulator
[05:47] <{alejandro}> Dr_Willis you need a 32 bit machine
[05:47] <{alejandro}> it is an alternative win32 api
[05:47] <intelikey> wine is wine is not an emulator
[05:47] <{alejandro}> yeah
[05:47] <eneried> harisund, it returned me two lines, with info
[05:47] <Alth> Quick question. RAR file support in ubuntu?
[05:47] <{alejandro}> it is a way to run windows binaries, so you need to use the same architecture
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> !rar
[05:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[05:48] <harisund> eneried: Don't paste here, paste on some pasteboard or something. And send me the URL ..
[05:48] <Alth> Ta.
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> {alejandro},  actually the cedega people i think are working on a 64bit version.
[05:48] <intelikey> !flood
[05:48] <ubotu> hmm... flood is for pasting, please use http://pastebin.com , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or #flood here on freenode.
[05:48] <{alejandro}> that is fancy
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> Ive yet to see any real plus at this time for using a 64bit disrto.
[05:48] <{alejandro}> speed
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> for my 'general' needs. :P that is.
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> i never noticed much of a speed diff.
[05:49] <Sinta[x] > hello
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> if any.
[05:49] <{alejandro}> and ponciness
[05:49] <harisund> Dr_Willis: I agree with you there.. there will come a time I am sure, just that it is not now :)
[05:49] <eneried> harisund, i think i can do sudo apt-get install those packages? one is the package and second is the -dev :)
[05:49] <intelikey> encription
[05:49] <{alejandro}> I am gonna stick with my 64 bit install
[05:49] <harisund> eneried: that would be great. Yes, you can install them using apt-get
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  so i can play dvd's faster? :P
[05:49] <eneried> harisund!  thanks a lot, it works :)
[05:49] <{alejandro}> and then use Xen when Edgy comes along
[05:49] <eimajenthat> hey, isn't there a command to make APT-GET spit out a list of installed packages?
[05:50] <harisund> eneried: Yay ! Good for you ..
[05:50] <bimberi> eimajenthat: dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[05:50] <harisund> eimajenthat: You can use dpkg for that.
[05:50] <harisund> @bimberi beat me ;)
[05:50] <eneried> :)
[05:50] <bimberi> harisund: :)
[05:50] <eimajenthat> ah, most thankful
[05:50] <eimajenthat> good channel
[05:50] <intelikey> Dr_Willis lol    probably   but you can only see them up to about 20X speed  and make any sense of them
[05:50] <blind> Sooo is anyone familiar with convert?
[05:51] <fwp> seriously
[05:51] <Sinta[x] > does anyone here use a windows mobile-based smartphone?
[05:51] <fwp> it's so difficult to install java on ubuntu
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  i like to watch them at 2x with the capations on... to annoy others.. :P
[05:51] <harisund> fwp: Why is that? Are you following the wiki instructions?
[05:51] <harisund> fwp: I had absolutely no hassles in installing Java on Breezy.
[05:51] <fwp> harisund: yep...
[05:51] <intelikey> Dr_Willis what i was refering to is that a 64bit system can do higher quality encription   :)
[05:51] <fwp> couldn't find that java-package
[05:52] <fwp> so I ended up adding a debian repository
[05:52] <fwp> sarge
[05:52] <harisund> fwp: Your repositories are enabled?
[05:52] <Sinta[x] > I'm using a T-mobile SDA (i-mate sp5m) and it runs windows mobile 2005 and i was wondering how i could browse it in linux.. in windows i use MS Activesync
[05:52] <fwp> yep
[05:52] <Dr_Willis>  http://www.imagemagick.oro shoul dhave docs on convert. :P just typing 'convert' says a lot of info
[05:52] <{alejandro}> fwp you can install blackdown
[05:52] <harisund> fwp: You wouldn't have to do that, and I am not even sure if it is advisable to add Debian's repositories (some binary compatibility problems0
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  my porn dvds will look better?
[05:52] <{alejandro}> fwp or there is javapkg which is nice
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> wtf do i need to install to get libglade-config
[05:52] <fwp> true
[05:52] <fwp> basically I just want to install frickin tomcat.
[05:53] <{alejandro}> fwp just use blackdown
[05:53] <harisund> oh tomcat.. I am sorry I don't know the procedure for that :(
[05:53] <intelikey> you rascal..       i'll be back in a few.
[05:53] <Flannel> tomcat?
[05:53] <{alejandro}> it is a server thing
[05:53] <Flannel> ack, bloody enter key next to other keys.  anyway.
[05:53] <Flannel> I could swear tomcat was in repos
[05:53] <{alejandro}> it is
[05:53] <eimajenthat> what's it do?
[05:53] <Flannel> its a java server
[05:54] <eimajenthat> hmm
[05:54] <Flannel> tomcat is to jsp as ... php is to .php pages ;)
[05:54] <harisund> Whose the guy(s) who's in charge of deciding what goes into the ubuntu-desktop meta package?
[05:54] <eimajenthat> oh!!
[05:54] <Dr_Willis>  http://www.imagemagick.org  lol.
[05:54] <Flannel> harisund: MOTU?
[05:54] <eimajenthat> cool
[05:54] <mike930> When I use aptitude how do I get it to install all dependencies?
[05:54] <{alejandro}> no, MOTU is for universe
[05:54] <Flannel> erm, right.  I just realised how silly that was.
[05:54] <{alejandro}> dunno
[05:54] <{alejandro}> check the wiki
[05:54] <harisund> I see. Not that there is anything I can do about it, but there's a lot of stuff in ubuntu-desktop that average users don't need.
[05:54] <Sinta[x] > how do i see which version of ubuntu im running
[05:55] <harisund> bicycle-repair? Malayalam fonts? bluez-utils?
[05:55] <bimberi> !version
[05:55] <ubotu> To find out what ubuntu version you have type 'lsb_release -a' or 'cat /etc/issue' in a terminal.
[05:55] <gerzel> Q: Can anyone recomend a good site for teaching the basics of IRC to someone new?
[05:55] <shizz> ok well installed the gparted and it looks like it installed correctly but it isnt working. I can select different partitions to resize but when i do, the partition options in the menu bar are all deactivated. does anyone know why this is?
[05:55] <Sinta[x] > THANKS
[05:55] <Sinta[x] > ;)
[05:55] <Flannel> harisund: Matt Zimmerman is maintainer on ubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <bimberi> gerzel: http://www.irchelp.org
[05:55] <Sinta[x] > isnt there something newer than 5.10
[05:55] <harisund> Flannel: oh ok. Never mind anyway ..
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> i can see keeping bluez :P
[05:56] <bimberi> Sinta[x] : yes, there is 6.06 for which a beta is available
[05:56] <harisund> Dr_Willis: I am sure there are a lot of people using bluez-utils, but I am sure there are  a lot more who don't.
[05:56] <Sinta[x] > can i see a changelog or the differences ?
[05:56] <harisund> And it's an unnecessary startup program. The first thing I do is "update-rc.d -f bluez-utils remove"
[05:56] <jobezone> shizz: those partitions need to be unmounted first. If it's a partition you can't unmount, like the root partition, you could use a LiveCD
[05:56] <shizz> whats that
[05:57] <njkt> quick question: does ubuntu have something similar to debian's netinstall? or something barebones?
[05:57] <Flannel> shizz: mounted means they're effectively "in use"
[05:57] <N2DIY> gerzel, you made it this far, hang on, and fasten your seat belt. I don't know diddly either.
[05:57] <eimajenthat> yeah
[05:57] <{alejandro}> njkt you can do a server install
[05:57] <harisund> Does either of Breezy or Dapper LiveCD have the ability to boot into command line mode only?
[05:57] <eimajenthat> there's a server install
[05:57] <shizz> see heres the thing i have free space on in two partitions that i want to free up
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> harisund,  edit the grub boot line and append 'single' i think
[05:57] <njkt> ok thanks, i'm spoiled on debians netinstall heh
[05:57] <{alejandro}> harisund I believe you can switch into command line with ctl alt f2
[05:57] <{alejandro}> harisund if you are using gdm (gnome)
[05:57] <shizz> but they are partitions that have valuable data
[05:57] <Flannel> ctrl-alt-f# where # is 1-6 for terminal, and 7 to get back to X
[05:58] <eimajenthat> njkt, I've got a Debian netinstall on my server
[05:58] <harisund> alejandro: that's true, but that defeats the purpose. I am talking about some quick repair that I need to do, and I use the LiveCD and want to quikly log into command line only.
[05:58] <shizz> should i just unmount them create a partiotion and then remount them
[05:58] <Flannel> njkt: there is no sanctioned netinstall, but there are unofficial methods to doing it, google "netinstall ubuntu"
[05:58] <shizz> im used to partiotion magic in windows lol
[05:58] <njkt> i have netinstall for debian but didn't know if ubuntu had one as well
[05:58] <njkt> Flannel, thanks
[05:58] <shizz> ok ill check it out. thanks
[05:58] <harisund> Are there any electrical engineers in here? I am looking for a nice Spice program on linux. :)
[05:59] <pkh> can I access from the commanline the 'Places' created through the 'Connect to network server...' command?
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> harisund,  like 'spice' ?
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> !info spice
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> I thoughti saw spice once on here..
[05:59] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ^_^
[05:59] <{alejandro}> harisund livecd goes straight into gnome
[05:59] <{alejandro}> harisund I think there is a recovery mode though
[05:59] <harisund> alejandro: yeah, I want to avoid that. Is that possible?
[05:59] <drexelxxxx> Anybody know what the linux command syntax is for renewing and IP address?
[05:59] <njkt> what about a bare bones system with just base packages and etc?
[06:00] <Flannel> harisund: apt-cache search spice returns three of them.  there are other circuit analysis thigns out there though, I've neverused any of them myself though.
[06:00] <gerzel> Ok, newbie question here I've seen things like "look at !rules" or other !word things, how do I use/lookat those things?
[06:00] <drexelxxxx> ifconfig something
[06:00] <intelikey> man ifconfig
[06:00] <Flannel> njkt: server would be that.
[06:00] <harisund> gerzel: They are called factoids. You can ask the IRC bot here (ubotu)
[06:00] <drexelxxxx> I tried and I can't place what it could be
[06:00] <njkt> k thanks.
[06:01] <{alejandro}> harisund I can't remember the boot options for the livecd off the top of my head
[06:01] <harisund> gerzel: You can send ubotu a private message using the command "/msg ubotu <factoid>" and it will tell you what it knows on the topic.
[06:01] <{alejandro}> harisund there might be a command line one
[06:01] <harisund> alejandro: Never mind thanks a lot though .. I am guessing there must ..
[06:01] <Sinta[x] > If I want to install Dapper-Drake on my hard-disk or Breezy-Badger... (to dual boot xp with) should I install XP first or linux
 what about a bare bones system with just base packages <---- install-server    is as close as you'll get without manually doing it.
[06:01] <bimberi> gerzel: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[06:01] <gerzel> say thanks
[06:01] <eimajenthat> has anybody here used thoggen?
[06:01] <gerzel> oops sorry
[06:02] <{alejandro}> harisund
[06:02] <{alejandro}> use failsafe
[06:02] <jobezone> eimajenthat: I have
[06:02] <harisund> Sinta[x]  Preferrably Windows first.
[06:02] <harisund> alejandro: Oh thanks.. didn't realize that was command line mode.. :) sounded suspicious ..
[06:02] <Sinta[x] > will ubuntu mess with my MBR/boot menu or whatnot
[06:02] <{alejandro}> harisund you can also do that from an install of ubuntu
[06:03] <{alejandro}> harisund from grub when you pick the failsafe version of a kernel, it is console mode
[06:03] <jobezone> eimajenthat: I can't private message... but it worked ok, only took many, many hours to rip a full dvd movie
[06:03] <intelikey> !tell Sinta[x]  about dualboot
[06:03] <harisund> Yes, that I have done :) I was wondering what to do on a machine that didn't have Ubuntu installed already.
[06:03] <jobezone> eimajenthat: like, 8 hours or something.. I left it on during the night.
[06:03] <eimajenthat> jobezone: what did it rip to (what format)?
[06:04] <eimajenthat> jobezone, I'm crappy at IRC
[06:04] <jobezone> eimajenthat: to a .ogg file with video encoded with theora, and audio encoded with vorbis.
[06:04] <jobezone> eimajenthat: no, I really can't send messages like the one you did, because I'm not registered in freenode.
[06:05] <eimajenthat> jobezone, interesting
[06:05] <eimajenthat> what kind of message are you sending?  where it shows red instead?
[06:05] <{alejandro}> eimajenthat it is the kind where you go /msg whatever
[06:05] <jobezone> eimajenthat: hmm... I'm sending them to the main channel. It probably shows red, because it has your nick in the message.
[06:06] <N2DIY> Ubuntu didn't prompt me to make a rescue floppy, did I miss something?
[06:06] <PORDO> did gmplayer get taken out of apt-get sources?
[06:06] <intelikey> lol shows red   :)      eimajenthat  your client may be changing the colour because your nick is in the context
[06:07] <jobezone> N2DIY: you can use the installer as a rescue CD, by typing 'rescue root=/dev/***' where *** is your root partition
[06:07] <jack|ass> so i have some stuff stuck over a session.  On startup, a couple terminals and gaim start up and i can't figure out how to get it to go away.
[06:07] <N2DIY> Jobezone, roger that. Thanks.
[06:08] <ron_> Has any one had any luck getting a Sony Media Slot to work with Ubuntu?
[06:08] <drexelxxxx> cool that is nice
[06:08] <{alejandro}> ron_ do oyu mean media stick?
[06:08] <jobezone> N2DIY: you're welcome. roger and out :)
[06:08] <intelikey> jack logout
[06:08] <jack|ass> wait found it
[06:08] <PORDO> why can't i find gmplayer in apt-cache search?
[06:08] <ron_> I Mean Media Stich Slot on laptop
[06:08] <bimberi> jack|ass: see if they're listed under System -> Preferences -> Sessions, Startup Programs
[06:08] <jack|ass> intelikey:  it goes over a reset.
[06:09] <N2DIY> jobezone, 73s :)
[06:09] <{alejandro}> ron_ is it not mounting?
[06:09] <ron_> Correct, it isn't mount.
[06:09] <{alejandro}> ron_ I have a usb card reader with a memory stick slot that works fine
[06:09] <{alejandro}> hm
[06:09] <{alejandro}> ron_ what desktop are you using
[06:09] <intelikey> no just logout and log back in... not reset.    it should give the option to save session     save session is how they got there.
[06:10] <ron_> I just loaded Ubuntu, but I think it is GNOME.
[06:10] <pablo_> I just instaled ubuntu. It recognices my ntfs partition, but doesn't let me read/write it and says I'm not the propietary, so I can't change the permissions. I am the only user! How can I fix this?
[06:10] <ron_> I beleive this media stick slot is a PCI slot.
[06:10] <intelikey> but at anyrate an rm -R ~/.gnome*  will fix it.
[06:10] <GMullen> I know this is the worng place to ask this so let me start with an apology, but I've googled with no help and I have no other idea of where to get help... hopefuly someone can point me in the right direction.  What do I do if someone is using my e-mail account<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so send spam?)
[06:10] <{alejandro}> ron_ Ah. What model laptop do you have?
[06:10] <ron_> Sony PCG-K33
[06:11] <hyphenated> GMullen: #ubuntu-offtopic and wish for a time machine to go back and come up with something better than SMTP
[06:11] <GMullen> thx hyphenated
[06:11] <intelikey> GMullen repost it to your provider.
[06:12] <GMullen> thc intelikey
[06:12] <drexelxxxx> tell
[06:12] <drexelxxxx> !tell
[06:12] <GMullen> thx intelikey
[06:12] <{alejandro}> ron can you go on pastebin.com, paste in the result of ls /dev | grep sd and give me the url?
[06:12] <intelikey> np
[06:12] <drexelxxxx> how do we direct a message to somebody?
[06:12] <ron_> yes...
[06:13] <bimberi> drexelxxxx: /msg nick message
[06:13] <drexelxxxx> thx
[06:13] <Alth> Or /notice nick message.
[06:13] <shizzz> i have demounted a couple partitions in gparted but i still cant get the resize menu bar options to activate so i can make additional space. cant i just select the partition and just readjust the partition size.
[06:13] <shizzz> any help?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis>  demounted? :0
[06:13] <shizzz> un mounted
[06:13] <shizzz> lol
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> what kind of parttions?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> what file system
[06:14] <shizzz> ntfs
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> it should be able to resize them
[06:14] <shizzz> i know
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use a live cd - that has gparted or qtparted
[06:14] <intelikey> demounting thing is dis
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> that way nothing is using the hd's
[06:14] <shizzz> i have 2 ntfs, 1 ext3, linux swap
[06:14] <drexelxxxx> what is the difference in qtparted and gparted/
[06:14] <drexelxxxx> ?
[06:14] <drexelxxxx> gparted gnomish?
[06:14] <pepo> my broadcom wireless say: iwlist scan = eth1 doesn't support scanning : No such device
[06:14] <pepo> how i can fix it?
[06:14] <shizzz> where and how i use live cd
[06:15] <bimberi> drexelxxxx: yes, qt.. for kde
[06:15] <intelikey> !wifi
[06:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:15] <cafuego> maybe it's eth2 or eth1?
[06:15] <drexelxxxx> boot up the cd installation
[06:15] <shizzz> where can how can i use live cd
[06:15] <drexelxxxx> thx
[06:15] <dj-fu> pepo, what interfaces do you have in `ifconfig` ?
[06:15] <pepo> cafuego, i am sure its eth1
[06:15] <{alejandro}> hm
[06:15] <dj-fu> broadcom sometimes cmes as wlan0.
[06:15] <cafuego> pepo: driver loaded correctly?
[06:15] <dj-fu> s/cmes/comes/
[06:15] <N2DIY> shizzz, put it in the cd, and boot it.
[06:15] <drexelxxxx> eth0 if you have 1 nic in your machine
[06:15] <drexelxxxx> NIC
[06:16] <pepo> dj-fu, just eth0
[06:16] <{alejandro}> ron_ according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsSony?highlight=%28Sony%29%7C%28Memory%29%7C%28Stick%29 the memory stick reader that sony puts in their laptops is without a linux driver
[06:16] <ron_> http://pastebin.com/686321
[06:16] <shizzz> and use the partition program with the install
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> I had a sony vaio gr390 that i could read the sony memory stick in..
[06:16] <shizzz> ohh that what you meant by the live cd
[06:16] <shizzz> lol
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> but i think it was on the usb buss.
[06:16] <{alejandro}> ron yeah nothing shows up
[06:16] <dj-fu> pepo, then you don't have the driver running
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> The one in my latest laptop - dont work. :(
[06:16] <shizzz> ok ill try
[06:16] <intelikey> yes  unix standards    0 is first.    1 is second.  2 is third....
[06:16] <drexelxxxx> How do we update Glibc?
[06:16] <shizzz> thanks
[06:17] <N2DIY> shizzz, there is no partition program on the live cd, it boots into ram.
[06:17] <drexelxxxx> is that automated or is it manual?
[06:17] <{alejandro}> ron_ ideally something like sda would show up, meaning you had a disk sitting there but unmounted
[06:17] <pepo> cafuego, when i do iwconfig = eth1 iEEEE 802.11b/g
[06:17] <{alejandro}> ron_ I think there are no drivers for it
[06:17] <cafuego> pepo: Did you install the firmware correctly?
[06:17] <ron_> Thanks.  THat is what I thought.  Just wanted to make sure.
[06:18] <pepo> i did not nothing, just default
[06:18] <cafuego> pepo: There's your problem then; the broadcom needs firmware.
[06:18] <cafuego> !bcm43xx
[06:18] <ubotu> To use your broadcom or airport extreme card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx for info and firmware.
[06:18] <pepo> ok let me see
[06:18] <rdgzt> Anyone got clues/pointers about installing Dapper completely on RAID1?
[06:19] <rdgzt> I tried to do the obvious thing, but it wouldn't boot.
[06:19] <N2DIY> anybody playing with Xastir on Ubuntu?
[06:20] <intelikey> i need to automate my xstartup.     i'm having to  do  root X   and user <wm> -display :0      wonder if i can script that on a nosuid machine
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> having to do this why intelikey ?
[06:21] <mike930> why does aptitude fing gnucash when I run sudo apitude search gnucash but when I try searching for gnucash in aptitude's gui it wont find it?
[06:22] <hyphenated> intelikey: "nosuid machine" ?
[06:22] <intelikey> hyphenated yeah
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  i think you need to do some clarification.
[06:23] <intelikey> it's futile
[06:23] <Flannel> mike930: you're probably searching in a wrong folder thing (new packages instead of not installed)
[06:23] <ic56> hey intelikey.  What's teh X thing you need done?
[06:24] <intelikey> ic56 looking into having init run X   so that users can connect to it the xserver
[06:25] <intelikey> s/it/it,/
[06:25] <mike930> Flannel which one should I search
[06:25] <ic56> intelikey: do you need xdm svcs or just X?
[06:26] <Flannel> mike930: search not installed
[06:26] <Flannel> mike930: unless youve installed it already ;)
[06:26] <intelikey> ic56 just X   i'm not gona type my password in.    it's like 65 chars long.
[06:27] <intelikey> yes
[06:27] <rdgzt> Anybody got clues and ideas about installing Dapper entirely to software RAID1?
[06:27] <rdgzt> The instructions on the wiki are somewhat outdated, and doing the obvious thing on install leads to a non-booting system.
[06:28] <ic56> intelikey/Agent_bob: well, since you're starting X from init, I see no need for suid.  What was the problem?
[06:28] <ic56> gotta go. back in 15 or so.
[06:29] <Agent_bob> no problem really.   but havent gotten all the kinks out of starting X from init.  it seems to want to switich to the gui display an not let you out unless you kill it....
[06:32] <drexelxxxx> Anybody know of a good site for Themes?
[06:33] <Jebuz> hey guys  I have an odd Question ,. I installed Kubunu-desktop from apt now, when i boot gnome sda points to my usb harddisk, when i use Konquerer i can only browse to where the folder is mounted.. unmounting and remounting does not help ... any ideas.. (just kinda annoying)
[06:34] <Jebuz> drexelxxxx: gnome?
[06:34] <drexelxxxx> yeah
[06:34] <Jebuz> one sex=c
[06:34] <shizzz> OMG i just figured out why i cant resize my NTSF partitions with gparted. It doenst supprt any fuctions regarding NTFS.  AHHHHHHHH, does anyone know of a stable partition utility that i can download to resize my NTFS partitions from with inside Ubuntu
[06:34] <Jebuz> sec..
[06:35] <Jebuz> shizzz: good luck..; I have a removable drive.. ntfs was messy to get working with rw permissions
[06:35] <shizzz> didnt want to hear that
[06:35] <shizzz> lol
[06:35] <drexelxxxx> did you try qtparted?
[06:35] <shizzz> but thanks ;)
[06:35] <Agent_bob> ok i got init streight.   now all users can access X     cool that was easy.
[06:35] <drexelxxxx> I haven't had problems with it
[06:36] <shizzz> no i havent, is thatin the repositories
[06:36] <drexelxxxx> haven't tried it on ubuntu though
[06:36] <Jebuz> yeah .. ended up deleting my partition
[06:36] <shizzz> does it work with NTFS
[06:36] <shizzz> ewww
[06:36] <shizzz> that sucks
[06:36] <shizzz> do you mind me asking how
[06:36] <Jebuz> drexelxxxx: try http://www.gnome-look.org/
[06:36] <Jebuz> thats where i got all of minee
[06:36] <shizzz> like did you do somethingor did the program crash
[06:37] <shizzz> ill try that url thanks
[06:37] <Jebuz> no I smokes a joint before attempting .. mostly stupidity .. resized my win partition to have no availale space forgot about the  windows swap file ..
[06:37] <Jebuz> ohh well better off without XP
[06:38] <shizzz> no luck with qtparted on GNOME-Look.org
[06:38] <shizzz> ill try some other searches
[06:38] <shizzz> brb
[06:38] <Hexidigital> hi everyone... does anyone know how to change the hostname of a machine? i accidentally put my FQDN
[06:38] <Jebuz> shizzz sorry gnome look was for them,es for  gnome was just asked for it
[06:39] <mark_skinner> check   /etc/hostname
[06:39] <mark_skinner> cat /etc/hostname
[06:39] <mark_skinner> mark@ubuntu:/etc$ cat hostname
[06:39] <mark_skinner> ubuntu
[06:40] <mark_skinner> Has anyone installed the ATI drivers? on a fresh 5.10?
[06:40] <Hexidigital> mark_skinner... good thing they used an obvious naming convention for stuff like that :) so people like me could find them.... thanks mark
[06:41] <mark_skinner> no problem.. it was something i had done on another server.
[06:41] <Agent_bob> hmmmm i wonder if there is a command that one could issue that would show a list of installed window managers ?
[06:41] <mark_skinner> so anyone doing ATI driver install?
[06:42] <Agent_bob> !ati
[06:42] <ubotu> ati is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[06:42] <shizzz> Jebuz, the qtparted site claims to work with the NTFS but you need mkntfs and ntfsresize for it to work. have you ever heard of these?
[06:43] <mark_skinner> ty ubotu.. i have that open in another window.. my problem is that the ATI installer application has an error when I try to have it create an Ubuntu/5.10 or Ubuntu/hoary install file
[06:43] <dj-fu> ntfsprogs - tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux
[06:43] <Agent_bob> tty1 [root#~]  urpmq mkntfs
[06:43] <dj-fu> mark_skinner, try Seveas' repositories, I know he packages the new ati drivers for breezy
[06:43] <Agent_bob> ntfsprogs - tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux
[06:43] <mark_skinner> mark@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ cat /usr/share/fglrx/fglrx-install.log
[06:43] <mark_skinner> Error: unsupported architecture:
[06:43] <mark_skinner> [Error]  Generate Package - error generating package : Ubuntu/5.10
[06:43] <drexelxxxx> have they perfected it though?
[06:44] <Agent_bob> tty1 [root#~]  urpmq ntfsresize
[06:44] <Agent_bob> ntfsprogs - tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux
[06:44] <mark_skinner> this is on a "Brand-new" cd i got at the San Diego Linux Desktop Summit on Monday
[06:44] <shizzz> thanks Agent Bob
[06:44] <shizzz> ;)
[06:44] <Agent_bob> both of those are in the repos ^
[06:44] <Agent_bob> dapper repos that is.
[06:44] <shizzz> is that .com, .net or org?
[06:44] <shizzz> ah
[06:44] <shizzz> thanks
[06:45] <shizzz> ill check them out
[06:45] <Agent_bob> !info ntfsprogs
[06:45] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: (tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.9.4-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 171 kB, Installed size: 448 kB
[06:45] <Agent_bob> breezy repos also ^
[06:46] <your|sleepy> mo
[06:46] <your|sleepy> moin
[06:46] <your|sleepy> :>
[06:49] <Agent_bob> so anyone know of a cli way to see what all gui heads are installed ?
[06:50] <s|k> !mplayer
[06:50] <ubotu> I heard mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[06:51] <your|sleepy> hello at all
[06:51] <your|sleepy> :>
[06:51] <Daskies> What's the command to end a ping again?
[06:51] <Agent_bob> yes your|sleepy
[06:52] <Daskies> ctrl + something
[06:52] <your|sleepy> c
[06:52] <Agent_bob> ^C
[06:52] <Daskies> Ah
[06:52] <your|sleepy> windows style strg +c xD
[06:52] <Agent_bob> ^C kills lots of things.     q  exits lots of things.
[06:53] <your|sleepy> yes
[06:53] <Agent_bob> so anyone know of a cli way to see what all gui heads are installed ?   or a dir one could list ?
[06:53] <pepo> ok i have a call 01 and call 02 on my iwlist scan
[06:54] <pepo> but i am trying to do dhclient eth1
[06:54] <pepo> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 5
[06:55] <pepo> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 6
[06:55] <Agent_bob> if it's wireless,  mmmm are you sure it's eth ?
[06:55] <pepo> and my dhcpd its working cos i have other PC here
[06:55] <mark_skinner> exit
[06:55] <pepo> Agent_bob, ifconfig says me
[06:56] <shizzz> i have a question? Some times like just a few minutes ago ill download and install an app from the repository but i cant find it in any of my menus. Its like i have to search for it. does anyone know why this happens?
[06:56] <shizzz> i just downloaded that NTFSprog
[06:56] <shizzz> but i cant find it anywhere
[06:57] <Agent_bob> shizzz maybe because the packager didn't put and entry for menu in the postinst script ?
[06:57] <Agent_bob> oh that.
[06:57] <ic56> shizzz: command line programs don't show up in GUI menus.
[06:57] <Agent_bob>  hehhe cli commands are not in the menus
[06:57] <shizzz> so where is the default location that i hsould look
[06:57] <shizzz> oh
[06:57] <Agent_bob> in your path.
[06:58] <shizzz> lol so what do i do
[06:58] <ryan__> i am trying to upgrade my kernel
[06:58] <shizzz> what is cli?
[06:58] <ic56> !cli
[06:58] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[06:58] <Agent_bob> you use parted like you wanted to before
[06:58] <shizzz> oh
[06:58] <shizzz> lol
[06:58] <ryan__> i am using a amd64 kernel, where can i find the src for that ?
[06:58] <shizzz> so where are the clis installed?
[06:59] <ryan__> I found this, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/, but that is i386
[06:59] <ryan__> right ?
[06:59] <Agent_bob> so anyone know of a cli way to see what all gui heads are installed ?   or a dir one could list ?
[06:59] <ic56> shizzz: mostly in /usr/bin but there are many places.  If you want to know where a command is located, type which <command>
[06:59] <Agent_bob> shizzz *bin   but where is not relevent.  they will be in your path.   you just type the command.
[07:00] <shizzz> well i downloaded this like toolkit called ntfsprog
[07:00] <ebastos> question, i'm running breezy, is it a bad idea to install a package from the dapper repositories (the package doesn't exist in breez)
[07:00] <drexelxxxx> any idea why my Nvidia driver isn't working right?  Is there a reboot required after the package installation?
[07:00] <shizzz> so im not sure what it has in it
[07:00] <Agent_bob> shizzz werent you trying to resize an ntfs part ?     run gparted and resize it.
[07:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ebastos: What package is it?
[07:00] <drexelxxxx> he did
[07:00] <shizzz> it wont work on NTFS
[07:01] <shizzz> i tried
[07:01] <ebastos> compiz... i'm looking to give the whole xgl/compiz bit a shot
[07:01] <ic56> shizzz: dpkg -L ntfsprog will tell you what all was in the package
[07:01] <shizzz> and theni found a matrix that says that it doesnt work with NTFS
[07:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ebastos: Then no, it's not safe in Breezy.
[07:01] <Agent_bob> you tried after you installed ntfstools shizzz ?
[07:01] <ebastos> how so
[07:01] <ebastos> it's that lethal?
[07:01] <Flannel> drexelxxxx: did you enable the driver?
[07:01] <drexelxxxx> I tried nvidia-glx & nvidia-glx-dev
[07:02] <drexelxxxx> how do you enable?
[07:02] <Flannel> !nvidia
[07:02] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[07:02] <Flannel> check the wiki, step 15
[07:02] <drexelxxxx> k thx
[07:02] <ic56> shizzz: look for manpages (files in /usr/share/man) in the package.  Then read the documentation with "man <manpage>".
[07:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ebastos: It's not lethal, so far as I know, it just won't work without a lot of effort.
[07:03] <ebastos> i can expend effort.
[07:03] <shizzz> k. thanks ic56
[07:03] <Agent_bob> so anyone know of a cli way to see what all gui heads are installed ?   or a dir one could list ?    this is for a menu.
[07:03] <ebastos> i mean, the process should be the same, or similar, right? i just need to get the packages somehow.
[07:04] <Agent_bob> a dollar against the hole in a doughnut that in a console he would have to ask how to exit the man command .....
[07:04] <drexelxxxx> what is the quickest way to restart X without CTRL-ALT-Backspace?
[07:05] <Agent_bob> sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[07:05] <drexelxxxx> thx
[07:05] <Agent_bob> that assumes a default ubuntu.
[07:05] <drexelxxxx> been looking for that for a while too
[07:05] <shizzz> ic56, when i get to the dir usr/share/man i am just looking at a bunch of other man dir's  where do i go from there?
[07:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ebastos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133772 <--- here's an idea of what it might take, which is why I don't really recommend it
[07:06] <Agent_bob> ntfs[tab] [tab]    pick one and man it.
[07:07] <ebastos> thanks
[07:07] <shizzz> ah nevermind
[07:07] <Venky>  i formated my internal laptop hard drive using gdisks now i cant enable it iam running dapper on an external usb drive can someone help
[07:07] <ic56> shizzz: ok
[07:07] <eneried> hello, how can i search a file from command line?
[07:08] <bimberi> eneried: locate file
[07:08] <imbrandon> run "sudo updatedb" first then run "locate <filename>"
[07:08] <shizzz> i used a sudo find / -name *ntfsprog*  and found it in usr/share/doc/ntfsprogs
[07:08] <eneried> thanks bimberi
[07:08] <Codename_V> Venky: enable it as in?
[07:08] <bimberi> eneried: and i was about to add imbrandon's first bit :)
[07:09] <Agent_bob> Venky sudo fdisk -l   and cat /etc/fstab    pastebin both.
[07:09] <imbrandon> bimberi,;)
[07:09] <ryan__> for upgrading the kernel, this site: http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ/KernelCompilation says to download the tarbal from  ftp.XX.kernel.org
[07:10] <ryan__> when i go there it looks like there is not a src for 64 bit, is it all the same source ?
[07:10] <drexelxxxx> Tip: type updatedb & to run it in the background
[07:10] <tritium> !kernelcompile
[07:10] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[07:10] <ryan__> it just has this ftp://ftp.ca.kernel.org/linux/kernel/v2.6
[07:10] <firebird619> I am running breezy and when the screensaver is running, or if I am playing back videos, etc., the video is jerky. It will play and then stop for a couple seconds and then play again, and so on. I have Intel Integrated Graphics. I downloaded the latest Linux drivers from Intel but when I try to install them it says /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/build: No such file or directory. What can I do to solve this problem? Can anyone help me?
[07:10] <Acidic> what is the command (like >>) to overwrite what is in the file your writing to.
[07:10] <PORDO> where do i set how many workspaces i want?
[07:10] <Agent_bob> ryan__ apt-get has kernel sourse....
[07:10] <eneried> bimberi, i didn't understand
[07:11] <Codename_V> Acidic: you're asking how you'd redirect output to a file?
[07:11] <eneried> bimberi, locate seems to be for database searching not files
[07:11] <Codename_V> Acidic: some_command > some_file
[07:11] <Acidic> Codename_V well, i know i can redirect using >>.. but this just adds to the file
[07:11] <ryan__> Agent_bob, yeah i saw that, but it doesn't have 2.6.15 or greater
[07:11] <Acidic> Codename_V: So that basiclaly erases the file and adds the output?
[07:11] <ryan__> Agent_bob,  and apparently i need it in order to have a client vpn connection to a microsoft vpn server
[07:11] <shizzz> ah sweet, that toolkit comes with mkntfs, ntfsclone, ntfsfix, ntfslabel, ntferesize and ntfsundelete
[07:12] <Codename_V> Acidic: that would overwrite any existing file, yes
[07:12] <Agent_bob> Acidic one >  write new.  two >> write new or append if exist.
[07:12] <Acidic> thankyou
[07:12] <shizzz> lol know i just have to figure how to use them
[07:12] <ic56> shizzz: read their manpages
[07:12] <ebastos> pumpernickle: looks like the plan will fail because i can't download the rpms. >,< thanks anyways, though.
[07:12] <Agent_bob> ryan__ dapper does....
[07:12] <shizzz> im sorta new to the ubuntu if you can tell
[07:12] <shizzz> lol
[07:12] <Flannel> firebird619: get rid of the screensaver ;)  theyre all really poor.
[07:13] <ic56> shizzz: man mkntfs
[07:13] <shizzz> thanks
[07:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ebastos: You can get it from cvs if you're really desperate.
[07:13] <Codename_V> PORDO: you'd go to the settings menu I'd imagine.  that or right click on the pager.  dunno though really, I'm a kde man
[07:13] <Agent_bob> ryan__ i'm running 2.6.15-20-386  here.
[07:13] <firebird619> Flannel: I can do that, but what about video playback, etc.
[07:13] <ebastos> pumpernickle: you mean, the xgl and compiz packages, right?
[07:14] <Agent_bob> ryan you on breezy ?
[07:14] <ryan__> Agent_bob, so you are running dapper then ? any pointers on how to upgrade from badger to dapper ?
[07:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ebastos: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148351 <-- more info here
[07:14] <Agent_bob> !upgrade
[07:14] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades .
[07:14] <Venky> where shud i pastebin
[07:14] <Venky> ?
[07:14] <Agent_bob> !paste
[07:14] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[07:14] <ryan__> thanks all, i'll check it out
[07:14] <Flannel> firebird619: it shouldn't be jerky oh.  Sorry, I thought you said that the playback got jerky once screensaver kicked in
[07:15] <eneried> bimberi, locate file doesn't work :(
[07:15] <Agent_bob> ryan__ dapper is prerelease still.  if that box is critical, you shouldn't upgrade it.
[07:15] <ebastos> well... what's happening is when i get to the wget command, it returns a "connection refused."
[07:16] <eneried> shizzz, tanks, your method seem to be goof
[07:16] <Agent_bob> ebastos incorrect url ?
[07:16] <shizzz> huh
[07:16] <bimberi> eneried: did you use 'file' literally?  it is supposed to be the file you're looking for
[07:16] <shizzz> what method
[07:16] <ebastos> impossible, i copied it from the instructions
[07:16] <shizzz> im getting help not giving
[07:16] <eneried> about searching files
[07:17] <shizzz> you must have misunderstood me
[07:17] <ebastos> i mean i guess it's possible the guy woh made the post messed up...
[07:17] <firebird619> Flannel: No, it is jerky with just video playback. When the screensaver runs that is jerky as well.
[07:17] <eneried> bimbery i used "locate file myfile"....
[07:17] <Agent_bob> ebastos lol  that doesn't preclude typos in the instructions   :)
[07:17] <Codename_V> shizzz: just watch it next time, ok?
[07:17] <shizzz> what are you talking about
[07:17] <Flannel> firebird619: sorry, don't knwo.
[07:17] <shizzz> codename
[07:17] <ebastos> exactly
[07:17] <Codename_V> shizzz: nothing.
[07:17] <Codename_V> shizzz: I'm being silly
[07:18] <firebird619> Flannel: Ok, thanks.
[07:18] <eneried> shizzz i mean when i asked about searching files from command line
[07:18] <shizzz> if your talking about the find / -name *ntfsprog* that was what i did to find a prog that i downloaded
[07:18] <shizzz> im confused
[07:18] <shizzz> lol
[07:18] <Agent_bob> Codename_V no joking in that tone of type.....
[07:18] <eneried> :)
[07:18] <shizzz> its all good
[07:18] <Codename_V> Agent_bob: hey, you watch it next time too, ok?
[07:20] <Agent_bob> y'all leave me alone.  someone welded my office chair in the upright possion..... and i know who the someone was....
[07:20] <Codename_V> seriously?  welded?
[07:20] <shizzz> does anyone know if fdisk will resize a ntfs file partition
[07:20] <thomasM> hi i was here earlier asking for help autoconfiguring cvs packages. I had an issue with m4 junk... now i'm stuck at some dependancies. i've tried to install both the package and the development package, but all is useless. The packages needed are glib-2.0    libgnome-2.0    libgnomeui-2.0  gconf-2.0       gdk-pixbuf-2.0  gnome-vfs-2.0   gnome-desktop-2.0       gtk+-2.0 >= 2.8
[07:20] <Agent_bob> shizzz it will not.
[07:20] <shizzz> ah ok
[07:21] <Agent_bob> shizzz it can delete it and make another.
[07:21] <Codename_V> hmm, I dunno.  a partition?  maybe.  an ntfs filesystem though, that's another story
[07:21] <thomasM> I was wondering if somebody could help me out.
[07:21] <cafuego> shizzz: 'parted' *may* be able to, but ONLY after checking ntfs for errors and defragging it.
[07:22] <shizzz> because the ntfsresize app will resize the filesystem but not the partition
[07:22] <Codename_V> thomasM: apt-get gtk-foo, apt-get gtk-bar.  or synaptic if you prefer, or whatever.  pretty straightforward.
[07:22] <thomasM> i have synaptic.
[07:23] <Agent_bob> nuke then untill they glow, and shoot them at night.    that's my moto.
[07:24] <thomasM> I'm on Dapper repos, i have no broken packages
[07:24] <Acidic> hmm
[07:24] <Acidic> having a problem with cron...
[07:25] <thomasM> anybody have any clue at all what i need? because i have all of those packages, and most -dev packages for them
[07:25] <Acidic> anyone got any experience with cron?
[07:25] <drexelxxxx> did but forgot
[07:25] <Codename_V> Acidic: that's a rather silly question
[07:25] <ic56> Acidic: ask away
[07:25] <Acidic> yea.. but i can ask it every minute if you'de like
[07:25] <thomasM> codename: do you have any idea what is wrong with my system?
[07:25] <Acidic> i have this line in /etc/crontab
[07:26] <Acidic> 23 * * * * dlugg fortune > /etc/motd
[07:26] <Acidic> 23 cuz im trying it every minute
[07:26] <Acidic> to see if it works :/
[07:26] <Codename_V> thomasM: if a configure script is giving you errors then you're simply missing a few libraries or whatever.  nothing wrong really, you're just missing the stuff you need to compile whatever it is you want to compile
[07:26] <ic56> Acidic: "23" means run it at 23 minutes past each hour.
[07:26] <Acidic> yea
[07:27] <Acidic> i've been +1 every time it doesnt work
[07:27] <Acidic> so i can see if it does :P
[07:27] <ic56> Acidic: ok.  So what doesn't work?
[07:27] <Acidic> motd doesn't get updated
[07:27] <Acidic> there's nothing in it rightn ow
[07:27] <thomasM> codename: the thing is i've check each one, and i have the packages, and the dev's
[07:27] <Codename_V> thomasM: your error being?
[07:28] <Codename_V> Acidic: maybe you oughta listen to ic56's first comment
[07:28] <thomasM> codename: that the autoconfigure script doens't know i have them.
[07:28] <ic56> Acidic: probably dlugg isn't in the path.  cron's path is pretty restricted.  You should always use absolute paths to commands invoked by cron, init, and any other daemons.
[07:28] <Codename_V> thomasM: alrighty...so maybe the exact error would help me out here.  paste it or something somewhere
[07:29] <Acidic> Codename_V... i did.. i know it runs at 23 after each hour.. but i change it after it fails to minute + 1 to see the next minute
[07:29] <Agent_bob> or only commands in /*bin/  ^
[07:29] <thomasM> its not large... i will post it here.
[07:29] <Acidic> ic56: this is the path in crontab
[07:29] <Acidic> PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
[07:29] <Codename_V> ic56: that would be the user name, no?  which may or may not have write permissions on /etc/motd.
[07:29] <thomasM> checking for GTK... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0    libgnome-2.0    libgnomeui-2.0  gconf-2.0       gdk-pixbuf-2.0  gnome-vfs-2.0   gnome-desktop-2.0       gtk+-2.0 >= 2.8) were not met:
[07:29] <thomasM> No package 'libgnome-2.0' found
[07:29] <thomasM> No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found
[07:29] <thomasM> No package 'gnome-vfs-2.0' found
[07:29] <thomasM> No package 'gnome-desktop-2.0' found
[07:29] <Acidic> Codename_V Which i've set so they do
[07:29] <Codename_V> Acidic: you'd check your mail by the way, to see any errors cron spits out
[07:29] <Acidic> where does it pop them in dlugg
[07:30] <Agent_bob> thomasM no error there ?
[07:30] <ic56> Ooops. Yes, I meant the path to fortune not dlug.  fortune is typically in /usr/games
[07:30] <thomasM> agent_bob: i have all of those packages though!
[07:30] <Acidic> oh rigt
[07:30] <Acidic> that would do it too
[07:31] <Agent_bob> thomasM libs path error ?   script looking in the wrong place ?
[07:31] <thomasM> agentbob: apparently... but what libs is it looking for?
[07:31] <thomasM> o here it is
[07:31] <Acidic> ic56: so i added :/usr/games to crontab
[07:31] <Agent_bob> get in the script and see what exactly it is looking for, then  fine /  it
[07:32] <thomasM> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables GTK_CFLAGS
[07:32] <thomasM> and GTK_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
[07:32] <thomasM> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
[07:32] <Acidic> ic56: im waiting for the minute to pass on the server so i can see if it worked
[07:32] <thomasM> >< didn't see that there before...
[07:32] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:32] <Acidic> ic56: didn't work :/
[07:33] <ic56> Acidic: you are just asking for a rootkit exploit when you expand a daemon's path.
[07:33] <Acidic> so instead i should just add the full path of fortune
[07:33] <Codename_V> Acidic: hehe, you sure you're listening here?  23 would be at 23 past the hour.  you'd want * if you want ever minute
[07:34] <ic56> Acidic: yes. add the full path to fortune.  However, that isn't the reason it didn't work.
[07:34] <Codename_V> or maybe I just need to look at the man page...
[07:34] <Acidic> Codename_v in testing that would probably be correct.... but i want it every hour
[07:34] <GTroy> will Automatix KILL ME?!!!???
[07:34] <Acidic> Codename_V so.. i would want it at a set minute after every hour correct?
[07:34] <thomasM> gtroy are you running dapper?
[07:34] <Agent_bob> GTroy no.  but the help in here will if you use it....
[07:35] <GTroy> thomasM: no
[07:35] <thomasM> ur fine..
[07:35] <Acidic> ic56: Ok, i fixed that about
[07:35] <Agent_bob> !automatix
[07:35] <ubotu> I guess automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, such as !easyubuntu.
[07:35] <GTroy> Agent_bob: hahaha
[07:35] <GTroy> dammnit
[07:35] <ic56> Acidic: now, I assume you're using /etc/crontab rather than a private user crontab?
[07:35] <Acidic> yea
[07:35] <thomasM> gtroy automatix is fine if ur running breezy.
[07:35] <GTroy> ok cool
[07:35] <GTroy> thanks thamsM
[07:35] <thomasM> i hacked it up a little
[07:36] <thomasM> didn't break dapper even.
[07:36] <GTroy> I switched back to breezy after I couldn't get ndiswrapper to work on beta
[07:36] <Acidic> ic56: yes
[07:36] <drexelxxxx> what is dapper going to be based on? gnome or kde?
[07:37] <GTroy> anybody tried flock?
[07:37] <GTroy> better web picture
[07:37] <Agent_bob> drexelxxxx no.  it's based on debian
[07:37] <GTroy> and as fast as firefox pipelined
[07:37] <drexelxxxx> what is the default desktop manager in other works
[07:37] <drexelxxxx> words
[07:37] <GTroy> gnome is
[07:38] <Agent_bob> gnome
[07:38] <thomasM> dapper is gnome..
[07:38] <ubuntu> my ubuntu is slow can some one help pls
[07:38] <ic56> Acidic: you need to give more than 1 minute advance.  cron checks that file once a minute. Give 3 minutes advance to be sure.
[07:38] <Codename_V> ubuntu: amd?
[07:38] <drexelxxxx> did you update your video driver?
[07:38] <Agent_bob> ubuntu defaults to gnome piriod.
[07:38] <ubuntu> I am running a 1.8 P4
[07:38] <Acidic> well... by Codename_V's suggestion i turned it onto * for minutes
[07:38] <Acidic> see if that helps
[07:38] <drexelxxxx> oh right because of the name
[07:39] <Acidic> ic56: hmm
[07:39] <Codename_V> Acidic: you check dluggs mail ever?  your errors would be there.
[07:39] <Agent_bob> drexelxxxx kubuntu defaults to kde piriod
[07:39] <drexelxxxx> yeah
[07:39] <Acidic> Codename_V: Where would that be located
[07:39] <Acidic> ic56: I have manually fortune > motd to see if there was a change
[07:39] <Codename_V> Acidic: /var/spool/mail I guess?  just run mutt, or mail or pine or something.
[07:40] <roxas> Yeah, I would liek to know where kubuntu is?
[07:40] <Acidic> ic56: and after the minute... motd cleared
[07:40] <drexelxxxx> I didn't like it
[07:40] <drexelxxxx> I had a lot of problems
[07:40] <Acidic> ic56: there was something in there, and there isn't now
[07:40] <Agent_bob> Acidic have you manually dlugg fortune > /etc/motd  ?
[07:40] <Acidic> yes
[07:41] <Acidic> Agent_bob: yes... it put one in there, then as the minute passed /etc/motd cleared
[07:41] <Acidic> Agent_bob: contents erased
[07:41] <Acidic> Codename_v: Nothing in /var/spool/mail
[07:41] <Codename_V> Acidic: just try >& so errors go in there or something
[07:41] <Codename_V> fortune >& /etc/motd
[07:42] <roxas> And I always had trouble installing things.
[07:42] <cafuego> Acidic: Why don't you call `fortune' in /etc/profile?
[07:42] <roxas> It said I never had a C Complier.
[07:42] <roxas> Any help with that?
[07:42] <Agent_bob> hmmm maybe man fortune and see if there is a -f switch or somethin....   looks like stdout not accessable or redirrected Acidic
[07:42] <Codename_V> Acidic: dunno then.  maybe system mail isn't set up by default on ubuntu
[07:42] <cafuego> Acidic: That way it only rusn on login, as opposed to onc a minite.
[07:42] <PORDO> can anyone help me get qjackctl working properly?
[07:42] <Agent_bob> or sorry dlugg
[07:42] <PORDO> my input is all broken up with xruns.
[07:42] <ebastos> question, if i want to use dpkg to install a deb, the parameter is -i right?
[07:42] <PORDO> correct.
[07:43] <ebastos> woo
[07:43] <Agent_bob> it will be the output of dlugg that hits motd
[07:43] <drexelxxxx> ys
[07:43] <Acidic> cafuego: Does that do ssh logins also?
[07:43] <theshibboleth> Is anyone here familiar with MJPEG-tools? How do I turn a .yuv file into a mpeg?
[07:43] <PORDO> any ardour users here?
[07:43] <shizzz> ok for anyone that has been helping with the ntfs partition resizing i want to thank you. it looks like all i had to do was install the ntfsprogs then launch the gparted app. apparently gparted uses the tools from ntfsprogs.  yeahhhhh  ;) sweet
[07:43] <cafuego> Acidic: If the user has bash set as shell, sure.
[07:43] <PORDO> theshibboleth turn it into a .ogg
[07:43] <theshibboleth> PORDO: how?
[07:44] <nucleic> anyone here a networking guru?
[07:44] <roxas> nucleic: I know some
[07:44] <roxas> What do you need help on.
[07:44] <roxas> *?
[07:44] <nucleic> right, set up Ubuntu on my work box, set all the networking to the relevant detail
[07:44] <Acidic> Agent_bob: Wouldn't that stop me from having fortune > motd work as dlugg?
[07:45] <nucleic> and it doesn't seem to be getting to the gateway
[07:45] <PORDO> theshibboleth you realize that i just suggested you turn it into a theora file instead of mpeg right?  it was sort of a joke.  sorry.
[07:45] <roxas> Do you have DHCP enabled?
[07:45] <nucleic> no DHCP here
[07:45] <roxas> Or do you manually configure your net?
[07:45] <roxas> So it's the latter.
[07:45] <nucleic> manual
[07:45] <nucleic> yep
[07:45] <theshibboleth> PORDO: sorry... ok... I'm about to too lost right now to get jokes :)
[07:45] <Agent_bob> Acidic i corrected.   man dlugg for a -f  not fortune    sorry i didn't Q you with your nick
[07:45] <flash_> hi i just setup ubuntu, and i was wondering if there was a simple way to add the kubuntu package (with apt-get or something)?
[07:45] <nucleic> I'm a windows desktop support guy, I'm a bit lost, that why I came in here
[07:46] <roxas> Go to System -> Administration -> Networks
[07:46] <Acidic> Agent_bob: man a user?
[07:46] <theshibboleth> (not mean to type "about".... again, lost
[07:46] <roxas> Then on your ethernet connection, click it and then choose properties.
[07:46] <ic56> Codename_V: /var/spool/mail exists in Ubunut.  It's just that no cli mail readers are installed.
[07:46] <roxas> Then set it to a static IP address and configure it manually.
[07:46] <mDot> ive completely uninstalled KDE, then reinstalled two k apps, amaroK and Kaffeine. The 'feature' in KDE that puts a mac OSX like menu bar at the top of the screen keeps popping up, any idea on how to get rid of it?
[07:47] <Agent_bob> Acidic that's a user.  hehhe ok.. then man fortune and see if it has output to file capabilities.     -f  switch
[07:47] <Acidic> Agent_bob: it does -f Print out the list of files which would be searched, but dont print a fortune.
[07:48] <Acidic> might i try to use /etc/motd also? :P
[07:48] <Agent_bob> --file   -o  --output   ?
[07:48] <nucleic> Roxas: It's all already set
[07:48] <Acidic> offensive :P
[07:48] <Acidic> and no, i dont see those
[07:49] <Agent_bob> Acidic you can look in / and see if init has been writing to there heh
[07:49] <Acidic> no, i went and checked.. it's already /etc/motd
[07:49] <Acidic> and if it had.. the motd file wouldn't have been overwritten
[07:49] <roxas> Nucleic, then you should be able to logon to your network.
[07:49] <roxas> Because you are trhough the gateway, for you are on here.
[07:50] <roxas> Unless you are using another system.
[07:50] <nucleic> On my XP box
[07:50] <roxas> Is that the one you are trying to configure?
[07:50] <ic56> Acidic: try this: fortune >/etc/motd 2>/etc/motd.err
[07:50] <nucleic> might be a problem with the hosts file?
[07:50] <Acidic> Agent_bob: i've solved the proglem
[07:50] <Acidic> Agent_bob: But im embarrased to say how
[07:50] <roxas> That's what I am guessing.
[07:50] <nucleic> no, Ubuntu is on it's own box
[07:50] <roxas> I figured that much after I typed it.
[07:50] <roxas> Lack of sleep :P
[07:51] <ic56> Acidic: tell us so we know what to ask the next guy who's doing something silly.
[07:51] <nucleic> lol
[07:51] <roxas> Anyways, it could be the host's finle.
[07:51] <Acidic> ic56: Your solution on adding the path was correct... the path i added was not :P
[07:51] <roxas> *file
[07:51] <ic56> ah ok.
[07:51] <Acidic> adding /etc/games ftl
[07:51] <Acidic> so used to using /etc/ tonight just got me into typing that for three letter directories :P
[07:52] <Acidic> and it works now
[07:52] <roxas> But let me ask though, have you tried to enable DHCP to see if you can catch yoru already activated network?
[07:52] <nucleic> We have no DHCP on our network
[07:52] <Agent_bob> Acidic you were told to use full path on that command an hour ago.
[07:52] <ic56> Acidic: teh way to avoid this kind of error is to not type things in manually.  In your case you should have pasted the otuput of "which fortune"
[07:52] <roxas> Sometimes it can work without it activated.  But that really depends on the server environment, I do believe.
[07:52] <Codename_V> lol
[07:52] <Acidic> Agent_bob: And i did
[07:53] <Acidic> Agent_bob: The full path i entered was incorrect.
[07:53] <ic56> Acidic: what editor do you use?
[07:53] <Acidic> ic56: vim for the moment
[07:53] <ic56> Acidic: know how to import output from commands in vim?
[07:53] <Acidic> ic56: no i do now
[07:53] <Acidic> ic56: no i do no
[07:53] <Acidic> not*
[07:54] <ic56> Acidic: to import the output of a command in the vim editor, type:  :r!command  In your cse, you would have typed :r!which fortune
[07:54] <roxas> But I did have a question for anyone out there.  When I stry to run a program to compile it, it says that it cannot find a C Complier in the $PATH....can I ask to see if anyone can help me with that?
[07:55] <Agent_bob> what's some good apps for the X window system?    light weight of corse....   ?
[07:55] <Acidic> when i type which fortune as root i get no output
[07:55] <Acidic> i do when dlugg
[07:55] <Agent_bob> cause /usr/games/ isn't in root's path
[07:55] <Acidic> i dont think dlugg can edit crontab :/
[07:55] <Acidic> well, i could set that
[07:56] <nucleic> roxas, you need to install GCC
[07:56] <ic56> Acidic: best not add games to root's PATH.
[07:56] <Acidic> aye
[07:56] <roxas> nucleic: Where do I go to do that?
[07:56] <Acidic> and i didn't really want to allow non-roots to change around crontab
[07:56] <Agent_bob> in vim   :r!su - dlugg which fortune
[07:56] <nucleic> roxas : sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:57] <roxas> nucleic: I assume that's a terminal command?
[07:57] <Agent_bob> roxas it are
[07:57] <Acidic> mmmm
[07:58] <Acidic> Agent_bob: Thanks, it didn't say it wanted a password, but i coulda guessed
[07:58] <shizzz> does anyone know what file i need to edit so that during boot up i can skip two of my ntfs mountings?
[07:58] <ic56> Acidic: given that which under root wouldn't give the needed output, you could of done this:  which fortune |sudo bash -c 'cat >>/etc/crontab'
[07:58] <nucleic> roxas : yes mate
[07:58] <Agent_bob> running su as root should never ask for a passwd
[07:58] <roxas> Good.  I am getting that now.
[07:58] <bimberi> shizzz: /etc/fstab
[07:58] <shizzz> thank you! ;)
[07:59] <roxas> It asked for it anyway.
[07:59] <Acidic> ah.. well i wasn't root.. lemme try that again
[07:59] <roxas> BTW, how do you login as root?
[07:59] <Acidic> you dont login
[07:59] <Acidic> you sudo -s
[07:59] <meshe> is dapper better at detecting nic's than breezy is?  the breezy installer see's my nics but i can't bring them up
[07:59] <bimberi> shizzz: yw :)
[07:59] <roxas> Ah.
[07:59] <Agent_bob> !sudo
[07:59] <ubotu> I guess sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[07:59] <roxas> So now I know.
[07:59] <Agent_bob> should read ^
[07:59] <roxas> I will.
[08:00] <roxas> For this is the first time I am going to get Ubuntu fully working
[08:00] <roxas> Thanks guys.
[08:00] <ic56> !whysudo
[08:01] <Acidic> nn
[08:01] <Agent_bob> hmmm i've never had "ubuntu fully working" .....   it's always a hack for me.
[08:02] <Agent_bob> i install-server and apt-get remove ubuntu-base   and go from there....
[08:02] <drexelxxxx> chroot is amazing
[08:02] <mDot> you know what..... im done no more fooling around. i refuse to restart this machine until the next kernel update
[08:02] <Agent_bob> jah
[08:02] <shizzz> binneri, it appears to have a readonly status i guess becuase the file has been loaded. do you kow how get a version that i can write to?
[08:04] <shizzz> yeah sudo -i creates a root user shell to run commands in
[08:05] <Agent_bob> if you go root'n around / you'll make a mire of your fs....
[08:06] <Agent_bob> hmmmm i wonder if there is a command that one could issue that would show a list of installed window managers ?
[08:06] <bimberi> shizzz: yes, better to use sudo (eg. 'sudo gedit /etc/fstab') then you're only superuser for the duration of the edit
[08:07] <shizzz> ok thanks
[08:07] <Apomb> a key on my keyboard stoed working
[08:08] <Agent_bob> is it the P ?
[08:08] <Apomb> you guessed it
[08:08] <Agent_bob> yay    *claps*
[08:09] <Apomb> i was laying around in the keyboard shortcuts menu and when i closed it, it stoed working
[08:09] <RobyX> Can someone help me with installing WIne.
[08:10] <Agent_bob> does the big P still work ?
[08:10] <Apomb> noe
[08:10] <Agent_bob> RobyX sudo apt-get install wine
[08:10] <Apomb> but the cursor acts like its getting a character
[08:10] <whyami> RobyX: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[08:10] <ic56> Agent_bob: for a list of installed window mgrs, you might try searching for packages that "Provide" window-manager or some virtual package name like that.
[08:11] <painkiler> hey guys
[08:11] <painkiler> i just updated ubuntu
[08:11] <Apomb> hello ainkiller
[08:11] <painkiler> and it rewrote my grub config
[08:11] <painkiler> now i can't select windows.
[08:11] <painkiler> how do i reconfig it?
[08:11] <Agent_bob> ic56 hmmmmm  what about parsing the menu file  ?
[08:11] <whyami> Agent_bob: if you install wine from the standard ubuntu repos...it's pretty outdated...
[08:11] <drexelxxxx> change the (1,1) to (0,1)
[08:11] <drexelxxxx> what I do
[08:12] <drexelxxxx> if you have sata
[08:12] <Kakason> Hello, Is there any programs on Ubuntu, that is like Alcohol 120%?
[08:12] <Agent_bob> whyami and ?   i used the default wine in mdk9 and liked it.   how outdated are you talking here 6/7 years ?
[08:12] <drexelxxxx> good question kakason
[08:12] <drexelxxxx> i'm sure there is
[08:13] <painkiler> how can i get grub just to automatically find my oses on my pc?
[08:13] <whyami> Agent_bob: Wine is under fast development. For example, I couldn't get IE to work with the Wine from ubuntu repos, but the binary provided by winehq at http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb works great.
[08:13] <Agent_bob> ic56 mmm give me a second.  i'm still working on that.
[08:13] <drexelxxxx> grub install ?
[08:13] <drexelxxxx> can't remember
[08:13] <Kakason> Yeah, I was searching for one like a while ago, but gave me no results.
[08:14] <Hexidigital> kakason, are you looking to mount .iso?
[08:14] <Get_A_Fix> hello
[08:14] <RobyX> Well actually I was doing the tutorial posted here http://tinyurl.com/nblqy and at one point it tells me "next click install windows system software then click ok" but I dont see that option in the setup.
[08:14] <ic56> Apomb: you mean the cursor moves forward one space when you press the P key?
[08:14] <drexelxxxx> get CrossOver Office
[08:14] <selinium> !tell painkiler about grub
[08:14] <Kakason> Hexidigital: yeah mainly that
[08:14] <drexelxxxx> for wine
[08:14] <Hexidigital>  kakason, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountIso?highlight=%28mount%29%7C%28iso%29
[08:14] <Agent_bob> ic56 hmmmm /etc/menu-methods/   may hold the answer
[08:14] <drexelxxxx> and cedega for games
[08:14] <Apomb> no not so much ... it just stays there, but it stos blinking, ic56
[08:15] <Kakason> Hexidigital: Hey thanks dude
[08:15] <Hexidigital> kakason, np
[08:15] <ic56> Apomb: try the "reset" command.  Just type reset.  Does it fix things?
[08:15] <RobyX> So anyone know what I can do lol.
[08:15] <Apomb> reset
[08:15] <Apomb> ?
[08:15] <Apomb> where
[08:15] <Apomb> terminal
[08:16] <drexelxxxx> oh yeah that mount iso
[08:16] <Hexidigital> what program would be most comparable with nero? gnomebaker a good one?
[08:16] <drexelxxxx> so what program do you use to make an ISO file of the mount loop?
[08:16] <ic56> Apomb? Was that a question?
[08:16] <Agent_bob> iv56 i think i can find /etc/menu-methods -type e    and get a list that way.
[08:16] <Apomb> yeah ... sorry
[08:16] <Get_A_Fix> could anyone tell me where to get info on how to make a program run at boot ime in Breezy ?
[08:17] <drexelxxxx> I like K3B
[08:17] <RobyX> Nevermind, figured it out.
[08:17] <Hexidigital> drexelxxxx, is k3b compatable with gnome?
[08:18] <Hexidigital> Get_A_Fix, what desktop manager do you use?
[08:18] <PwcrLinux> Hello all :)
[08:18] <Get_A_Fix> Hexidigital: gnome
[08:18] <Kakason> drexelxxx: I use GnomeBaker to make my isos
[08:18] <drexelxxxx> in console I mean
[08:19] <drexelxxxx> yeah I would use K3B for that
[08:19] <Hexidigital> System -> Preferences -> Sessions... startup tab, Get_A_Fix
[08:19] <Get_A_Fix> Hexidigital, many thanks - wanting noip2 to start at boot  - thanks
[08:19] <Hexidigital> Get_A_Fix, np
[08:20] <shizzz> ok i thought that i had this whole ntfs partitioning thing down. i downloaded/installed the ntfsprogs toolkit and gparted.  then was able to resize the partition inside of gparted, but then when i go to save the changes it says the partition is busy. This is weird becuase i removed the mounting entry in the /etc/fstab and then rebooted. can someone help?
[08:20] <meshe> can you think of a reason why ubuntu can see my nic's but the link light won't come on and it won't dhcp an address?  i tested the cable, the port and the dhcp server on my laptop's install of breezy
[08:20] <Kakason> For some reason, when I boot up my computer, my network doesn't activate, like I have to make it active every time I log on? Any tips on this?
[08:21] <meshe> Kakason: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[08:21] <meshe> Kakason: add the line at the bottom:
[08:21] <fwp> KEEP IT G'D UP
[08:21] <meshe> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[08:22] <meshe> that should keep it active
[08:22] <Kakason> meshe: thanks
[08:22] <meshe> np
[08:22] <meshe> replace eth0 with your interface if it's different
[08:23] <Kakason> yeah, ok
[08:23] <shizzz> can anyone help with my partitioning question
[08:24] <Agent_bob> ic56 thanks for the confirmation on that.    i'm working out the code now.
[08:24] <drexelxxxx> ubuntu have an automounter?
[08:24] <drexelxxxx> if so then it probably mounted the partition
[08:25] <drexelxxxx> and you can't resize it
[08:25] <drexelxxxx> i'm guess
[08:25] <drexelxxxx> ing
[08:25] <shizzz> well the partitions dont show up in the gnome interface
[08:25] <Kakason> shizzz: I'm no expert at this, but did you try unmounting it from media? sudo umount /media/hda(#)
[08:25] <shizzz> after i removed the fstab entries
[08:25] <ic56> meshe: does ifconfig eth0 up turn on the light, at least?
[08:25] <drexelxxxx> do "mount"
[08:25] <drexelxxxx> to see what is mounted
[08:25] <shizzz> no i just tried the fstab file
[08:25] <drexelxxxx> try the mount command
[08:25] <shizzz> k
[08:25] <kingspawn> shizzz: just type "mount" to see if its mounted
[08:25] <drexelxxxx> see if it is there
[08:26] <ic56> shizzz: is it the partition or the filesystem that's busy?
[08:26] <drexelxxxx> that is the linux way
[08:26] <shizzz> no it is not mounted
[08:26] <drexelxxxx> hmm
[08:26] <shizzz> kingspawn it is not mounted
[08:27] <drexelxxxx> kinda hard to determine what may have happened
[08:27] <ic56> shizzz: did you perhaps invoke gparted twice?  Maybe it checks to see there aren't other instances of itself or of similar programs to prevent stepping on each other's work.
[08:27] <george_> sdss
[08:27] <george_> hi
[08:27] <shizzz> but after i edit the size in gparted and then try to save the new size value gparted errors out with a device busy err
[08:27] <jmrivera> try with the cfdisk command to see the partitions
[08:28] <Kakason> How much hdds do you have?
[08:28] <drexelxxxx> you might be using the wrong hard drive
[08:28] <shizzz> k
[08:28] <shizzz> one sec
[08:29] <drexelxxxx> sda1 - whatever for SATA/SCSI hda1 - whatever for IDE
[08:29] <meshe> ic56: sorry, just lost my wifi on my laptop for a sec there
[08:30] <shizzz> yeah but no only the one instance is running
[08:30] <shizzz> actually i rebooted
[08:31] <shizzz> let me see if its the filesytem or partition
[08:31] <Agent_bob> ic56  i think this will work....
[08:31] <Agent_bob> for BLAH in $(find /etc/menu-methods -type f)
[08:31] <Agent_bob>     do if [ -x $BLAH ]
[08:31] <Agent_bob>         then echo $BLAH | cut -d'/' -f'4'
[08:31] <Agent_bob>     fi
[08:31] <Agent_bob> done
[08:31] <PwcrLinux> !paste
[08:31] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[08:31] <Agent_bob> paste paste flood flood  yeah
[08:31] <shizzz> ic56 here is the error that i am getting
[08:32] <ic56> Agent_bob: why all this complexity?
[08:32] <hedge> Is there a keyboard combination in Ubuntu to get the gui process table? Have tried crtl+esc, and can't find the process table in the apps...
[08:32] <rinke> I'm looking for a desktop. Can somebody help me with to choose?
[08:32] <chip42> ic56: you don't like it? pretty cool the shell environment can be scripted real time like that
[08:33] <Agent_bob> an automaticly updated list of window managers to choose when calling a startx command    remember  nosuid so i have to modify a few things...
[08:33] <shizzz> a busy device is a device with at least one mounted partition. Becuase making changes to a busy device may confuse the kernel, you are advised to rebot your computer
[08:33] <whyami> hedge: are you looking for the equivalent of the task manager in Windows?
[08:33] <hedge> Basically, yea....
[08:33] <hedge> Had one in Fedora as I recall
[08:33] <Erik_Boi>  /msg nickserv register 0455989
[08:34] <whyami> hedge: what I did was install the system monitor applet, then I click on that. There may be another way that I don't know.
[08:34] <shizzz> sunds sorta like a generic msg
[08:34] <drexelxxxx> all it is is a key assignment
[08:34] <PwcrLinux> Erik_Boi: whoa, you better change pwd..
[08:34] <Erik_Boi> yeah, not really sure what i am doing
[08:35] <Hexidigital>  Erik_Boi, pm me, i'll walk you through
[08:35] <chip42> i think people confuse elegant and illegible, but thats just me :\
[08:35] <ic56> Agent_bob: how about this: find /etc/menu-methods -type f -perm +111 -print |sed 's#.*/##'
[08:35] <hedge> whyami, thx I'll give that a shot
[08:35] <PORDO> does anyone here have much experience with linux audio?  i need to figure out what's causing my xruns in jack.
[08:36] <whyami> PORDO: are you running with realtime priority?
[08:36] <PORDO> i thought that wasn't necessary now.
[08:36] <drexelxxxx> wonder when I'm going to get to the point where I can write out command lines that long
[08:36] <PORDO> some guys in #ardour said that the kernel now has something that depracates realtime-lsm
[08:37] <Kakason> Can anyone point me to a site that has performance tweaks? I'm such a performance freak. ^_^
[08:37] <PORDO> i have realtime priority checked.
[08:37] <whyami> PORDO: I hadn't heard that it wasn't necessary. Try running jack as root and see if you still get the xrun errors.
[08:37] <Agent_bob> ic56 what if one or more was not +111   maybe +1  ?
[08:37] <PORDO> hrm
[08:37] <whyami> PORDO: do you have realtime-lsm installed and working?
[08:37] <PORDO> how do i modprobe it?
[08:38] <Agent_bob> that is why i was falling back to if -x  but if find can do the same.....   looks good to me.
[08:38] <whyami> you have to use the module assistant. But don't bother until you try running as root (which doesn't need realtime-lsm to run in realtime) and seeing if that makes a difference.
[08:39] <drexelxxxx> ubuntu needs to come with SDL prepackaged
[08:39] <whyami> PORDO: I have to go to bed...but if you want instructions on installing realtime-lsm you can find them as part of this website: http://fort.xdas.com/~kor/oss2jack/install.html
[08:40] <PORDO> by the way, i can only get envy24control to run from command line, not from the run dialog.  any thoughts on that?
[08:40] <kingspawn> drexelxxxx: takes you about 20 seconds to install it
[08:40] <drexelxxxx> I can't find it in the repository though