[00:00] <Skaface82> case`: you can run "software & updates" and to to "additional drivers" to switch between them
[00:01] <case`> Skaface:yes that was what i was thinking, You should be ok RoadRunner, i don't think it will be a problem if you remove the driver
[00:02] <aloo_shu> *but* it's not an ubuntu solution, so it's still good to bring attention to the fact that something in the ubuntu audio stack that s supposed to work OOTB, can break. I'd want to know which pkg the script that fires up the jack-pulse bridge by default, is a part of, and if there was an update that messed up something there
[00:03] <case`> Skaface: RoadRunner is weary of removing driver, doesn't want a dead screen
[00:04] <xamithan> If you get a black screen after removing the nvidia driver just use the nomodeset to boot
[00:04] <RoadRunner> case`: I can see how to switch btw nvidia drivers but not how to remove all of them and I seem to recall xamithan saying that the driver in option 2 is actually more likely to create a black screen in a card switch...
[00:04] <xamithan> Some cards don't like the open source novedau driver
[00:04] <Skaface82> he should be ok, doesnt it have multiple drivers installed all the time anyway and detects your card on bootup?
[00:05] <xamithan> *nouveau i mean
[00:06] <RoadRunner> Skaface82: again, here is my current driver instal situation: https://imgur.com/a/EClJjtn
[00:07] <case`> Skaface I agree..
[00:08] <Skaface82> RoadRunner: just switch back to the default nouveau driver first to make sure
[00:08] <Skaface82> then it should be ok
[00:08] <case`> RoadRunner: I think it would be safe to revert to nouveau
[00:09] <RoadRunner> my main issue is: the comp in question doesn't currently have internet connectivity and if I lose the current driver and xubuntu isn't going to automaticaly load a new one (amd), I don't want to be left with a black screen
[00:09] <infowolfe> anybody know how to turn OFF the heckin ridiculous systemd dhcp-related stuff on _only one_ interface?
[00:09] <Skaface82> RoadRunner: the main problem your likely to have is issues with 3d acceleration and whatnot, but you have a pretty decent chance of it just working
[00:09] <infowolfe> systemd-networkd (thanks netplan!) keeps adding a secondary and broken route to my system and systemd-resolved is trying to resolve over that same link (when it's a NAT gateway with active dhcp served by another source)
[00:10] <Skaface82> even if theres no hardware acceleration
[00:10] <infowolfe> RoadRunner, you could also sneakernet the packages you need across on a USB
[00:10] <xamithan> As far as I am aware the AMDGPU driver is included by default in 16.04 or above
[00:10] <case`> RoadRunner:Have you a media device you could download the driver onto usb/disc ?
[00:11] <xamithan> I may be wrong as I do not have any radeon cards
[00:11] <case`> I feel you would be safe enough
[00:11] <Skaface82> yeah just do it
[00:12] <RoadRunner> infowolfe: case`: the basic question is: Is the amd driver already present on my HD in a kernel extra package?
[00:12] <infowolfe> RoadRunner, probably not
[00:12] <infowolfe> i mean it might be, but i don't use amd, certainly if it's in multiverse or in a ppa it's not
[00:13] <RoadRunner> if not, how would I get it (with dependencies) onto a usb?
[00:13] <RoadRunner> will, prob, never know for sure what dependencies it needs
[00:13] <xamithan> "If you're running Ubuntu 16.04 or above, you already have the open source AMD drivers installed. They're integrated into mesa and the linux kernel"
[00:13] <xamithan> If you are still worried just download the package from AMD website
[00:15] <case`> Have to agree with xamithan~: Should be safe, but if apprehensive d'load driver package
[00:16] <l00001000> Helo Working On Assigning Virtual Workspace 2 To Virtual Display 1 Anybody Have Anything
[00:16] <RoadRunner> xamithan: if you are sure that the amd driver is already on board and will kick in on next reboot, then  do I even need to remove my current nvidia one?
[00:17] <xamithan> Theoretically it should detect and load the right one.  I've never switched from nvidia to radeon though ;P
[00:18] <bdazz> I was reading that I should not edit my apache.conf file directly, and instread should create a new directory in my apache2 directory called conf.d  and then I am free to place my customized config files in there. Is that correct?
[00:18] <xamithan> Why not try to uinstall it now while you got an internet connection and use the open source nvidia driver
[00:19] <xamithan> bdazz: That is best practices,  yes.  It should already have some type of .d directory there though
[00:20] <xamithan> Sorry not a .d,  it is called sites-enabled in ubuntu
[00:21] <bdazz> xamithan: thank you.  During review my apache2 directory was missing any directory with the .d at the end.  I am going to create a problem in my custom config file and resart the service to make sure its reading.  Thank you!
[00:21] <genii> xamithan: Installing both Radeon and Nvidia drives concurrently is problemmatic, they both want to use an OpenGL shared library of their own compiling
[00:22] <genii> ( whichever one gets installed last is the shared lib that gets installed, and then the other one won't work )
[00:22] <infowolfe> dpb1, btw, i blame you for netplan being braindead. That is all.
[00:22] <case`> quit
[00:22] <case`> QUIT
[00:23] <infowolfe> you missing a / before ...
[00:23] <infowolfe> oh
[00:23] <ubuntunoob> Hi again
[00:24] <ubuntunoob> Sorry I should have take a prtscreen to the chat because now i cant remember the nicknames of the ones that helped me :/
[00:25] <ubuntunoob> I used boot repair to repair the grub and i started ubuntu with nomodeset but now i dont know what to do. I have tty 1-6 but no GUI on 7
[00:25] <RoadRunner> now for the internet connection problem: had a problem with a kernel update on one comp - became unbootable; fixed that but still can't connect to internet. Can ping <IP_ADDRESS> but not google.com which seems to point to a DNS issue. Was in a network with auto DHCP, now connected in a network with static ip's - no diff. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7FYDvcPc5x/
[00:26] <ubuntunoob> whats missing? I have a dell 9560 . should i aim to install nvidia driver somehow?
[00:28] <poliban> tes
[00:28] <poliban> halo
[00:28] <xamithan> If you have a nvidia graphics card,  yeah install it
[00:29] <xamithan> apt install nvidia-384 (or whatever version you need)
[00:29] <poliban> i using ubuntu  matee
[00:30] <poliban> i have a problem
[00:32] <energizer> I'm having problems connecting to vpn sometimes. It usually works if i restart the computer. Here's syslog of a failed attempt https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/7kIr4IIEXvbrBbe4v2EP/
[00:32] <SirusGedo> hello guys ,, how can i get a free visa card ?
[00:33] <energizer> oops wrong channel, (tho if anybody can help please do)
[00:33] <bdazz> xamithan: I did some more digging.  In the latest version of apache (2.4) they have changed guidance: "conf-available: this directory contains available configuration files. All files that were previously in /etc/apache2/conf.d should be moved to /etc/apache2/conf-available."
[00:34] <xamithan> Yeah,  I looked and all my vhosts are in sites-enabled or sites-available
[00:36] <bdazz> xamithan: it's good for me to learn this general rule of thumb though thank you again.
[00:36] <RoadRunner> network gurus, anyone?
[00:36] <xamithan> ##networking
[00:36] <RoadRunner> but it likely is ubuntu specific...
[00:37] <xamithan> What does /etc/resolv.conf say ?
[00:37] <RoadRunner> sec
[00:38] <xamithan> If resolvconf is running DNS should be working
[00:40] <RoadRunner> xamithan: resolv.conf says: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>  search telus
[00:40] <xamithan> Is it a link to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf ?
[00:42] <RoadRunner> xamithan: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WrmPqZR5fP/
[00:43] <xamithan> Looks right,  are your actual nameservers there if you do systemd-resolve --status ?
[00:47] <RoadRunner> xamithan: I must be typing is something wrong... its not recognizing the command
[00:48] <RoadRunner> *in
[00:48] <RoadRunner> space btw resolve and --status right?
[00:49] <SlidingHorn> RoadRunner: yes
[00:49] <xamithan> What version you running?  I assume this is 17.10 or 18.04
[00:50] <xamithan> Maybe your systemd-resolved service isn't running
[00:50] <xamithan> "systemctl status systemd-resolved"   it says active (running) ?
[00:50] <RoadRunner> 16.04
[00:51] <xamithan> Oh nevermind then
[00:52] <RoadRunner> am getting "systemd-resolve - unrecognized option "--status"
[00:52] <xamithan> 16.04 still uses resolvconf service.  "dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf" might fix it
[00:52] <xamithan> Beyond that,  someone else might know
[00:53] <RoadRunner> can'[t use packages - no connection :(
[00:53] <xamithan> That command shouldn't need it
[00:53] <kostkon> RoadRunner, it won't redownload
[00:53] <RoadRunner> kostkon: ?
[00:55] <unixvers-master> salut
[01:00] <RoadRunner> my point is, the comp by now was tried in two networks with 2 diff routers; it used to work in both environments and now works in neither; no router settings were changed in either and from what I understand kernel updates (what created the problem) aren't suppose to affect /etc/resolv.conf (which also seems to look ok). So any other ideas?
[01:01] <xamithan> Only other idea I got is to make sure networkmanager isn't using dnsmasq if that dpkg-reconfigure didn't work
[01:02] <xamithan> I doubt that would happen though unless you upgraded from 14.04
[01:04] <RoadRunner> xamithan: no that was a new 16.04 install
[01:05] <xamithan> Well try ##networking.  They are actually talking about resolvconf and systemd-resolve right now
[01:05] <RoadRunner> xamithan: ok, thanks
[01:15] <pipegeek> hi, folks :)
[01:15] <david__> hello
[01:16] <pipegeek> a question:  I'm running ubuntu artful, and finding that it's surprisingly non-obvious (to me) how to go about adding dvorak as one of the input sources.
[01:17] <pipegeek> If I go into Settings => Region & Language and add an input source, I'm initially given four common English layouts (none of which is dvorak)
[01:17] <pipegeek> when I click "..." to show more options, I get a list of countries' English layouts (still no dvorak)
[01:18] <pipegeek> and when I finally click on "other", I get other language's layouts.  Dvorak *does* appear in this list, but only for languages other than english.
[01:18] <pipegeek> any idea how to set English (Dvorak)? haha
[01:19] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/keyboard-layouts.html pipegeek
[01:22] <bazhang> https://websiteforstudents.com/change-ubuntu-17-10-keyboard-layout-to-your-native-language/ pipegeek
[01:22] <bazhang> check those two links pipegeek
[01:23] <pipegeek> the first one unfortunately doesn't seem to have helped.  Running that gsettings command resulted in a warning that it was using the "memory" backend, and nothing seems to have changed
[01:23] <pipegeek> and the second one shows English (Dvorak) appearing in the list of options, which it doesn't.
[01:23] <pipegeek> bazhang
[01:24] <pipegeek> the warning incidentally was as follows:
[01:24] <pipegeek> GLib-GIO-Message: Using the 'memory' GSettings backend.  Your settings will not be saved or shared with other applications.
[01:24] <pipegeek> I appreciate the help :)
[01:25] <Austin____> hello, how can i set my persistent ubuntu usb to skip this screen? and go straight to "try ubuntu"? https://bit.ly/2rA5qqj
[01:26] <pipegeek> bazhang, I just set that dconf setting using dconf-editor, and that *did* seem to have an effect --- but the effect was to add more options to the "other languages" set
[01:27] <pipegeek> it seems that there's three sets of input sources you can choose from --- the initial four common options, then a set of english sources that is always the same, then *all* sources with english specifically excluded
[01:27] <pipegeek> and English (Dvorak) is in none of those sets.
[01:28] <stan7> im on ubuntu how can i change to gnome without installling ubuntu gnome?
[01:28] <stan7> i mean im with unity but i would like to have gnome instead unity
[01:28] <pipegeek> I can send screenshots if it's helpful.
[01:29] <bazhang> stan7, which version and shell of gnome3
[01:29] <bazhang> stan7, then you'd want to install gnome-shell
[01:29] <stan7> apt-get install gnome-shell?
[01:30] <Austin____> How can i set my persistent ubuntu usb to skip this screen? and go straight to "try ubuntu"? https://bit.ly/2rA5qqj
[01:30] <bazhang> with sudo
[01:30] <stan7> and it will change automatically?
[01:31] <stan7> from unity to gnome?
[01:31] <bazhang> you need to logout and choose from the login screen
[01:31] <stan7> thanks a lot
[01:31] <bazhang> np
[01:32] <pipegeek> oooooooh.
[01:32] <pipegeek> it's another level in.  Clicking "English (US)" results in another list of actual layouts
[01:32] <pipegeek> I'm dumb
[01:32] <pipegeek> thanks anyway
[01:32] <bazhang> welcome
[01:33] <aloo_shu> Austin____: I cannot answer you, but I can try suggest: if your ubuntu on th usb is still in .iso format, it may be rather complicated, but otherwise, you need to find out what the stick uses for booting, and read up on it, e.g. 'man -k syslinux' or 'man -k isolinux' in a terminal. that should point you to what the file is that determines boot menu and behaviour
[01:34] <Austin____> aloo_shu: thanks :)
[01:34] <DocPlatypus> just upgraded to 18.04. am I really stuck compiling vim from source if I need Python (2) support?
[01:34] <DocPlatypus> someone helpfully decided that vim-gtk3 should only support Python 3 for some reason. and my scripts are Python 2
[01:35] <aloo_shu> Austin____: if you used unetbootin, it will be a little different still
[01:36] <Austin____> i used liliusb
[01:36] <aloo_shu> don't know it
[01:36] <aloo_shu> el free to ask others
[01:36] <Austin____> linux live usb?
[01:36] <aloo_shu> feel free
[01:36] <Austin____> ok, ta
[01:37] <CarlFK> apt upgrade found like 20 kernels. is there something that will get rid of most of them? this didn't do it: apt-get autoremove --purge
[01:37] <DocPlatypus> CarlFK: old kernel versions? that should do it unless you have marked them as manually installed
[01:38] <evulish> i had  to manually remove all mine
[01:38] <evulish> and i never manually installed em
[01:38] <Bashing-om> DocPlatypus: python is available : " sysop@x1804mini:~$ apt policy python >> Installed: 2.7.15~rc1-1 " .
[01:39] <CarlFK> DocPlatypus: huh.  it's a hosted VM, that is a little too small, so I may move everything to a new one and it won't matter for a while ;)
[01:40] <DocPlatypus> Bashing-om: support for Python within vim. i.e. vim --version | grep '+python'
[01:40] <evulish> DocPlatypus: check out the vim-nox-py2 package?
[01:41] <evulish> just a guess
[01:41] <stan7> im already in gnome bazhang, thanks a lot
[01:41] <evulish> oh wait
[01:41] <evulish> that's not bionic beaver
[01:41] <evulish> i'm on the wrong laptop :)
[01:42] <hehnope> How do I configure a static route in 16.04 to persist on reboot? tried up ip route add ... does not work.
[01:42] <DocPlatypus> evulish: yeah bionic only has vim, vim-gtk3, vim-tiny, vim-athena, vim-gtk
[01:42] <hehnope> (in the /etc/network/interfaces file of course)
[01:42] <DocPlatypus> actually not vim-gtk now that I look again
[01:43] <DocPlatypus> if I'm stuck compiling by hand then I'll regretfully go do that
[01:43] <DocPlatypus> and consider moving to something else by 2020 April
[01:44] <evulish> what about vim-nox?
[01:44] <evulish> that's on bionic
[01:44] <DocPlatypus> still does not have Python 2 support from what I can read
[01:45] <stan7> is a irc channel about computer security?
[01:45] <DocPlatypus> it's like someone said to hell with anyone using Python 2 scripts with vim
[01:45] <DocPlatypus> stan7: try #2600 on irc.scuttled.net
[01:45] <DocPlatypus> best I can think of off hand
[01:45] <stan7> thanks
[01:46] <evulish> DocPlatypus: you ever just try running 2to3 on everything? :)
[01:47] <DocPlatypus> evulish: might try that as a last resort
[01:48] <jpleau> when using the nvidia proprietary drivers, waht packages should be installed so I can link -lGL?
[01:49] <arooni> my machine couldnt boot for awhile; saw this in dmesg : [  123.797437] compiz[4405]: segfault at e0 ip 00007fbecc39e263 sp 00007ffe78bda530 error 4 in libnux-graphics-4.0.so.0.8.0[7fbecc351000+cf000]
[01:50] <DocPlatypus> 2to3
[01:50] <DocPlatypus> sorry wrong window
[01:53] <DocPlatypus> okay there's more to it than that, because it's still griping about commands not being available in this version
[01:54] <DocPlatypus> maybe it's more of a #vim topic. thanks evulish
[01:58] <k_sze[work]> Looks like mirrors at 91.189.88.X (archive.ubuntu.com) are failing?
[01:58] <k_sze[work]> I mean apt mirrors.
[01:59] <kk4ewt> looks like they are working here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/
[02:06] <k_sze[work]> do they resolve to 91.189.88.X for you?
[02:14] <ocnios> I don't understand mount points. If / and /dev and /boot are all mount points why doesn't df -h list them, or any other command I've seen on google/.
[02:14] <rungcc> hi guys
[02:15] <rungcc> does anyone uses linux and mechanical keyboards? preferentially cheap ones?
[02:15] <ocnios> I'm trying to find a command that lists a definitive list of mount points and their file system type for all mounted partitions.
[02:15] <rungcc> i've been suffering looking for a mechanical keyboard that works on linux.
[02:15] <ocnios> but none of the ones I find list / or /dev or /boot
[02:15] <cfhowlett> rungcc, ask ##linux
[02:17] <Skaface82> yeah i use an anne pro
[02:18] <Skaface82> its great but this is off topic
[02:18] <gogeta> Skaface82, you must construct additional pylons
[02:19] <Skaface82> ?
[02:20] <Etrigan63> rungcc: define cheap.
[02:20] <k_sze[work]> ocnios: df -h does list /, /dev, and /boot/efi for me (on Debian Stretch)
[02:20] <Etrigan63> This should be in #Mechboards
[02:21] <rungcc> Etrigan63, could be found on bangood = perfect.
[02:21] <rungcc> but it can be more expensive
[02:21] <rungcc> I am ok with loosing 100usd for one tops i think, since it was the price of the last one
[02:21] <Etrigan63> I can answer, but it's off-topic here. Switch to #Mechboards
[02:22] <rungcc> done
[02:22] <rungcc> thanks!
[02:34] <n-iCe> Well, third day with Ubuntu 18.04 stock, not a single problem with it.
[02:35] <n-iCe> but is using 5GB of RAM is it normal? chromium with 5 tabs open, and a terminal with irssi
[02:35] <bluezinc> I pushed all of my systems over to it last week.  No issues for me either.
[02:35] <Skaface82> haha thats exactly what im running at the moment n-iCe
[02:35] <Skaface82> except i have8 tabs in chrome
[02:35] <n-iCe> same 4.8GB of RAM?
[02:35] <n-iCe> then you must be over 5GB of use no?
[02:35] <Skaface82> nah 8gb
[02:35] <n-iCe> using 8GB of ram?!
[02:36] <Skaface82> oh no, total memory
[02:36] <n-iCe> no no, I'm using 5GB of ram, total of 8, with that open
[02:36] <Skaface82> its saying 5.2gb used
[02:36] <n-iCe> you think is normal for a linux distro?
[02:36] <Skaface82> yeah
[02:36] <n-iCe> yeah Skaface82 then is normal
[02:36] <n-iCe> is not much for a linux distro?
[02:36] <Skaface82> free ram is un-utilized ram
[02:36] <Skaface82> which is bad
[02:36] <bluezinc> currently using 6GB, with firefox (20-ish tabs), a bunch of terminals, atom, and weechat.
[02:37] <n-iCe> I checked with system monitor
[02:38] <Skaface82> its fine, it caches things into ram so they load faster.... as long as you havent run out of ram its all good
[02:39] <bluezinc>               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[02:39] <bluezinc> Mem:            62G        7.7G         53G         26M        1.9G         54G
[02:39] <bluezinc> think I'm OK here.
[02:56] <n-iCe> bluezinc: shit
[02:56] <n-iCe> what do you use
[02:56] <bluezinc> n-iCe: about 8GB, apparently.
[02:56] <bluezinc> that's on my smaller desktop.
[02:57] <bluezinc> (I'll admit that it's more of a server)
[02:57] <n-iCe> yeah
[02:57] <n-iCe> is awesome
[02:57] <n-iCe> I don't on a desktop, just laptop, phone and a tablet
[02:58] <n-iCe> I use the laptop for irssi, and inskcape for some desings, phone for social network, of course as a phone, and the tablet to read ebooks, can't find another way to use it.
[02:58] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: please keep the language family friendly
[02:59] <n-iCe> SlidingHorn: sure, thank you.
[02:59] <n-iCe> os ubuntu os for tablets dead?
[02:59] <n-iCe> maybe I can use my tablet as a laptop?
[03:00] <bluezinc>               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[03:00] <bluezinc> Mem:           188G        5.9G        180G        185M        2.6G        184G
[03:00] <n-iCe> hoooooooolly
[03:00]  * n-iCe keeps language family friendly
[03:01] <bluezinc> :P
[03:01] <bluezinc> let's just say I got a very good price on RAM.
[03:01] <n-iCe> hahahahah
[03:01] <n-iCe> yeah
[03:02] <SlidingHorn> hey guys, if we're not doing support, can you take this to #ubuntu-offtopic please :)
[03:43] <sarthor> HI, I have ubuntu installed on PC, and have two NIC, one NIC is configured automatically when I was installing OS, and name as "ens18", I have other LAN card also plugged in the same box, How to find the name of that lan card, because the name are not like eth0/ eth1 and eth2 .... HELP
[03:45] <Mimas> I was watching a Java talk, and the speaker was using what looked like Ubuntu, and typed "uao file.zip" and it unzipped the file. What the heck was that? I can't google UAO as a command, anyone know what that is?
[03:48] <Mimas> Here's the vid- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7VBdWhtl7A&t=14m1s
[03:49] <Fleetwood>  sarthor: try "ifconfig -a"
[03:50] <SlidingHorn> Mimas: probably a bash alias or something like that
[03:50] <ledeni> sarthor, try 'sudo lshw -class network'
[03:51] <Mimas> SlidingHorn, hmmm. unzip all ofcourse?
[03:53] <sarthor> Fleetwood: Mimas ifconfig -a worked fine.
[03:58] <ikkuranus> I finally got a working live image and ran a fsck on / . it found no errors but on reboot it's still mounting as readonly
[04:00] <ikkuranus> at this point it might just be faster to wipe and start over lol
[04:06] <JPSman> Hi.  I deleted the contents of ~/.local -- and now after I have uninstalled and re-installed wine, I don't have wine in my applications menu, nor can I install a program from an installation .exe (irfanview)
[04:06] <JPSman> what have I done to my system, and what can i do to fix it?
[04:06] <ikkuranus> oh lol I think I figured out the deal
[04:07] <ikkuranus> I reinstalled the other day but saved my previous fstab
[04:07] <ikkuranus> but wouldn't that have caused it to fail to boot at all
[04:09] <ikkuranus> and yes the uuid is definitely different
[04:12] <Goop> How would I extract the last response/reply in an email thread, leaving out all the previous replies in a Maildir file?
[04:12] <ubuntu> hi
[04:13] <Guest92980> .
[04:13] <Guest92980> Hi
[04:14] <n-iCe> hi
[04:15] <ocnios> Can partitions be mounted within/on a file system (which is on another partition)? If so, is this acceptable practice?
[04:17] <Guest92980> Can we install Microsoft office in Ubuntu ?
[04:17] <JPSman> check wineHQ
[04:18] <Guest92980> ok
[04:18] <cfhowlett> !wine | Guest92980
[04:19] <mast> ocnios yes, and as far as I know yes
[04:19] <JPSman> so, I uninstalled and re-installed wine, and there is no wine in my applications menu - or an option to run a windows .EXE with wine
[04:34] <Fleetwood> JPSman: mine was like that until i ran the first .exe file then it set everthing up
[04:36] <JPSman> Fleetwood - I just had to do 'wine iview442_x64_setup.exe' inorder to run the irfanview install .EXE for the first time
[04:36] <JPSman> you're right that its in my menu now - but I still can't run a .EXE from my nautilus browser.....
[04:36] <newbuntulog> Hi can anyone please tell me how to make win10 usb from ubuntu 18.04
[04:38] <newbuntulog> ??
[04:38] <cfhowlett> How hard did you look?
[04:38] <cfhowlett> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=win10+USB+in+linux+18.04&t=canonical&ia=web
[04:53] <zenox> duckduckgo +1
[05:00] <FreakingOut1987> with 18.04 will preseeding ubiquity change?
[05:00] <FreakingOut1987> or can we still use the same preseed.txt?
[05:00] <darthrocker> will someone please look at this for me? https://paste.noname-ev.de/8865
[05:01] <darthrocker> i'm running i3wm 4.1
[05:08] <darthrocker> i3wm
[05:09] <SlidingHorn> darthrocker: unless you give us context, that's kind of useless to us
[05:11] <darthrocker> lol sorry.... so i am running i3wm on ubuntu 18.04. i am trying to run etherape and i got these errors   https://paste.noname-ev.de/8865
[05:12] <guiverc> darthrocker, also your version of Ubuntu - except for the critical error, i get the same warnings on my 18.04  (critical is because I can't access gnome canvas..)
[05:12] <guiverc> sorry I'd typed the version bit before you answered & forgot I'd asked it.. sorry
[05:13] <darthrocker> hmm... one sec
[05:14] <ubuntu> ll
[05:18] <darthrocker> well that didnt work
[05:40] <zenox> when using a docker image as a service, does the service have to be started manually?
[05:41] <ikonia> what service
[05:41] <ikonia> a docker image is just that - an image, it's not a service
[05:42] <Guest92980> How can we change the Bluetooth Device name in UBUNTU ?
[05:45] <isaac__> hey, I was wondering if anyone else has run into a weird issue. I have a fresh install of 18.04 and installing samba is not working. Specifically it doesn't seem to be installing 'testparm' even after some purge/reboot/install cycles.
[05:45] <ikonia> show the actual error
[05:45] <ikonia> "not working" doesn't give any info
[05:45] <isaac__> The issue is testparm is not getting installed
[05:46] <ikonia> show the error/problem
[05:46] <isaac__> that is the error
[05:46] <ikonia> that's not an error
[05:46] <isaac__> This is the error message when I try to enable sharing on something "Failed to execute child process “testparm” (No such file or directory)"
[05:46] <ikonia> "enable sharing"
[05:46] <ikonia> eg: using the desktop gui, or just trying to start the smb service ?
[05:47] <isaac__> desktop gui
[05:47] <ikonia> ok - so there is the problem
[05:47] <ikonia> "when I try to share a file system with the desktop gui, I get this error message "Failed to execute child process “testparm” (No such file or directory)"@
[05:48] <ikonia> just say that, rather than having to have the information pulled out of you
[05:48] <isaac__> Sorry, I should've started with that
[05:48] <ikonia> so the first question is, "is testparm" actual on the system
[05:49] <isaac__> No, it doesn't seem to get installed with samba
[05:49] <isaac__> I'm assuming that 'testparm' should work on the command line, correct?
[05:49] <ikonia> how did you check it's not on the system ?
[05:49] <ikonia> if it's in the PATH yes, but that doesn't mean it's not installed
[05:50] <isaac__> I did a find on the root directory and came up with nothing. Is there a specific place I should be looking?
[05:50] <ikonia> just to clarify, root as in / or root as in /root
[05:50] <isaac__> root as in /
[05:50] <ikonia> ok,
[05:51] <ikonia> so what is the path testparam should be in ?
[05:51] <ikonia> where is samba expecting it ?
[05:51] <isaac__> I don't know, how would I find that out?
[05:51] <ikonia> it's normally in the config or the init file
[05:51] <ikonia> (or service unit now)
[05:52] <isaac__> Where would I find that?
[05:52] <ikonia> doesn't matter,
[05:52] <ikonia> what samba package have you installed ?
[05:53] <isaac__> samba and samba-common-bin which seems to be covered by samba because it doesn't add anything
[05:54] <isaac__> Version 4.7.6-Ubuntu
[05:54] <ikonia> so lets see if dpkg can deal with wildcards (I can't remember)
[05:54] <ikonia> if you run "dpkg -s *testparm*"
[05:54] <ikonia> what does that do ?
[05:54] <ikonia> (I hope it can deal with a wildcard)
[05:55] <isaac__> Wildcards don't work, dang
[05:55] <ikonia> what does it say
[05:55] <isaac__> "dpkg-query: error: --status needs a valid package name but '*testparm*' is not: illegal package name in specifier '*testparm*': must start with an alphanumeric character"
[05:55] <ikonia> ok
[05:55] <ikonia> so lets try "apt-file search *testparam*"
[05:56] <ikonia> lets see if that supports wildcards
[05:56] <ikonia> (As we don't know the specific location where the file should be)
[05:57] <isaac__> Sorry, apt-file had to update and it's taking a second
[05:57] <ikonia> actually apt-file supports named searches, so "apt-file find testparam"
[05:57] <ikonia> that's cool
[05:57] <ikonia> I didn't know it could do that
[05:57] <ikonia> actually apt-file supports named searches, so "apt-file find testparm"
[05:57] <ikonia> (typo)
[05:58] <isaac__> So the relevant result was "samba-common-bin: /usr/bin/testparm"
[05:59] <ikonia> superb, so samba-common-bin should provide it
[05:59] <ikonia> so if you do ls -la /usr/bin/testparm confirm it's not there
[05:59] <isaac__> Yep
[05:59] <ikonia> yes, it's not there ?
[05:59] <ikonia> or yes it is there
[05:59] <isaac__> Yes, it's not there
[06:00] <ikonia> ok - so "dpkg -l | grep samba-common-bin"
[06:00] <ikonia> should only be a one line output, can you paste it please
[06:00] <isaac__> ii  samba-common-bin                           2:4.7.6+dfsg~ubuntu-0ubuntu2        amd64        Samba common files used by both the server and the client
[06:01] <ikonia> perfect,
[06:01] <ikonia> so you now have two choices
[06:01] <isaac__> Alright
[06:01] <ikonia> a.) download the samba-common-bin package, and uncompress it and verify testparm is not in the package, and raise a bug against that package for either a missing file, or if it IS in the package, raise a bug that the install script misses it out
[06:02] <ikonia> b.) just raise a bug against the samba-common-bin package anyway, with this detail in and let the maintainer sort it out
[06:02] <isaac__> Okay, thank you for your help
[06:02] <ikonia> no problem
[06:20] <zenox> ikonia, no, a docker image can be used as a 'service'
[06:20] <zenox> e.g. mysql
[06:33] <agp> hi I have a problem that when I type incorrect password on login screen and then type again and successful my screen  can't continue to the home desktop but instead just the purple screen of ubuntu and my cursor so I have to restart my computer
[07:09] <detly_> I'm on 18.04 (just upgraded from 17.10), and I've managed to totally mess up my display config. GDM3 refuses to run in Wayland mode or show Wayland sessions (they worked under 17.10), it's displaying at a very low resolution, and sometimes I get crashes.
[07:09] <detly_> This is on a desktop system with both an integrated intel GPU and a PCIE nvidia card, but I have the intel GPU switched off in EFI config
[07:10] <detly_> I'd like to start by totally resetting gdm3's config to whatever it's installed with ie. all the files under /etc, /var/lib, etc... *all* of them
[07:11] <detly_> is there a way to do that?
[07:11] <cfhowlett> detly_, IIRC you can dpkg --reconfigre libs   to do precisely that
[07:12] <detly> cfhowlett: nope, it doesn't seem to restore files in /var/lib
[07:13] <detly> (also it's 'dpkg-reconfigure')
[07:13] <detly> I also tried apt install --reinstall
[07:13] <cfhowlett> yeah that !!!
[07:25] <agp> hi I have a problem that when I type incorrect password on login screen and then type again and successful my screen  can't continue to the home desktop but instead just the purple screen of ubuntu and my cursor so I have to restart my computer
[07:27] <m2_teknix> How can I dispaly full date time in the format "Wednesday, 9 May 12:57 PM" in the top bar
[07:29] <detly> m2_teknix: what does it display currently?
[07:32] <m2_teknix> detly: got it right by right clicking and going to "time and date settings". Eearlier it was shoiwng only the time. :)
[07:35] <detly> m2_teknix: cool!
[07:35] <detly> agp: does this happen if you get your password right the first time?
[07:37] <agp> detly: yes
[07:51] <vak> hi all
[07:52] <vak> how to show the date (or day of the month) in the upper bar of the desktop? is it possible at all in ubuntu 18?
[07:54] <kiriuha> hj
[07:54] <kiriuha> hi
[07:54] <kiriuha> Я
[07:54] <kiriuha> ке
[08:02] <Skaface82> its possible cause thats how mine looks
[08:02] <Skaface82> date, time
[08:03] <kiriuha> cn
[08:03] <kiriuha> hi
[08:04] <kiriuha> hi #ubuntu
[08:11] <kiriuha> hi
[08:11] <kiriuha> hi
[08:11] <Norux> !ops | kiriuha
[08:11] <kiriuha> hi
[08:11] <kiriuha> hi
[08:11] <kiriuha> hi Norux
[08:11] <DalekSec> Norux: Little trigger happy, eh?
[08:12] <kiriuha> y
[08:12] <kiriuha> hd
[08:12] <DalekSec> kiriuha: Hello, this is the Ubuntu support channel.  If you're having an issue with Ubuntu please state it so the volunteers can try to help.
[08:12] <DalekSec> If not, then you're likely in the wrong place.
[08:16] <ducasse> DalekSec: they were doing the exact same thing yesterday
[08:24] <Lope> how can I change gpg to show long key ID's?
[08:26] <ChiLLabiS> Hello. I can't connecto to my vpn after and apt-get upgrade.. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04. It worked fine yesterday..
[08:26] <ChiLLabiS> an*
[08:27] <ikonia> define "can't connect"
[08:27] <kiriuha> hi
[08:27] <ChiLLabiS> i try to connect using the networkmanager on the bar to the top right corner. And it just shows Connection Failed
[08:28] <kiriuha> f
[08:28] <ikonia> ChiLLabiS: have you looked at the logs ?
[08:28] <ikonia> ChiLLabiS: see what it thinks is failing ?
[08:29] <ChiLLabiS> I'm a newb and i don't know where the logs are
[08:29] <ikonia> ChiLLabiS: syslog
[08:29] <ChiLLabiS> ok
[08:29] <ikonia> you can also turn up the debug level on network-manager
[08:29] <ikonia> (always good to get more info)
[08:30] <ChiLLabiS> is there a command for that?
[08:30] <aLeSD_> guys, why there are not app installed by snap into the launcher ?
[08:33] <ChiLLabiS> ikonia, here's some of the syslog
[08:33] <ChiLLabiS> https://pastebin.com/DUsAyWik
[08:34] <yellabs-r2> hello all
[08:35] <yellabs-r2> on 18.04 , should it be possible to connect to the remote desktop, with ipad and the realvnc app ? got gnome desktop sharing activated..
[08:35] <nicofrand> Hi !
[08:36] <yellabs-r2> but get error - THe authentifcation mechanism requested cannot be provided by computer..
[08:38] <nicofrand> Since a week or two, when I switch on or switch off my bluetooth headset it wakes up my computer (previously suspended), which I don't want. I really don't know where to look for to disable this. Could anyone help please ?
[08:39] <ikonia> ChiLLabiS: looks like the config has gone
[08:39] <ikonia> need to step away for a moment
[08:39] <ChiLLabiS> OKay
[08:43] <ChiLLabiS> How do i fix this?...
[08:46] <kiriuha> hi
[08:46] <kiriuha> ?
[08:46] <kiriuha> you
[08:46] <kiriuha> ?
[08:46] <kiriuha> has quit
[08:47] <kiriuha> q]
[08:47] <kiriuha> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][6]
[08:47] <kiriuha> .......
[08:47] <kiriuha> ...
[08:47] <ducasse> kiriuha: stop that, please - ask your question if you have one
[08:47] <kiriuha> (-:
[08:48] <kiriuha> quit ubuntu 14.04
[08:50] <nick3456456> i have a question for 16.04 LTS on a SSD USB do i have to do any special config to browsers to optimize or does it handle it fine normally
[08:54] <longword> IME it's practically impossible to use TRIM on something the far side of a USB port
[08:55] <longword> You may want to leave a portion (say 20%) of the disk unallocated to make life easier on the controller and the flash
[08:55] <nick3456456> yeah atm got 10GB
[08:56] <nick3456456> its a corsair gtx btw faster then the hdd in the comps its connected
[08:57] <qwefytuiityty> en not my lang.
[08:57] <qwefytuiityty> The problem with the lack of memory is not solved. When memory is depleted at ~ 95% + ~ 400-900 MB in swap partition computer freeze with XU 17, LU 17, U-Mate 18, Fedora 28 (Real PC). This happens not only with me and with my computer, computer freeze and to intensively read from the HDD when freeze. Helps only to turn off the power. More than 10 minutes I didn't wait.
[08:57] <qwefytuiityty> I see this with XU 17, LU 17, U-Mate 18, Fedora 28. But not with Windows. I this have not only with real computers, but also in virtual machines. Windows host, Guest Linux.
[08:58] <qwefytuiityty> not test FreeBDS
[08:59] <longword> nick, I had one of those. Older generation. Died in 12 months. Replacement died in 12 months. But I understand the more recent models are better.
[08:59] <qwefytuiityty> SWAP partition 4GB and i test with Swap partition 10 GB max swap used ~900 mb
[08:59] <blackflow> longword: are you sure? I thought the uas driver was precisely for the UASP mode needed for that
[08:59] <longword> What I ended up doing was putting an M.2 SATA stick in an external USB enclosure
[09:00] <qwefytuiityty> my lang ru
[09:00] <kostkon> !ru | qwefytuiityty
[09:00] <longword> blackflow, I can't say it's impossible. All I can say is I tried and failed (on specific hardware that's not his hardware)
[09:01] <longword> I've been through three controllers that supported UASP and none offered discard functionality
[09:02] <nick3456456> yeah i did read the older ones had issues this was a on sale 3.1. did all the longevity stuff i could think of like less swap and noatime
[09:02] <qwefytuiityty> no man ubuntu ru me not nee this not halp. this big problem and mass. I see info on ubuntu ru forum. Him help only have big memory
[09:03] <qwefytuiityty> need
[09:03] <blackflow> longword: hmm, good to know, thanks.
[09:04] <qwefytuiityty> no man, ubuntu ru me not need this not help. this big problem and mass. I see info on ubuntu ru forum. Him help only have big memory
[09:06] <ChiLLabiS> ikonia, can you help me when you're back?
[09:16] <mar77i> good morning guys.
[09:16] <Pitel> My firent is still running 17.04 and he wants to update to 18.04 LTS. The obvious way is upgradle to 17.10 and then to 18.04. But he can't do that. He says the error is saying something about unavalibale repositories (he tried multiple mirrors). I thought the repos are freezed after EOL and update should be possible. Ain't it so?
[09:16] <blip99> hi all, I upgraded from 17.10 to 18.04 - that also upgraded my strongswan ipsec vpn client packages.  I want to downgrade those packages.  I added artful to sources.list and using synaptic to force older package versions.  Yet some packages conflict somehow, even though libstrongswan stuff is isolated from the system.  thoughts?
[09:16] <qwefytuiityty> it seems that Linux does not know how to properly work with the swap (can be small I/O with HDD, I not tested with SSD no SSD) partition and when big intensity use swap this freezes
[09:16] <blip99> shall I just manually download the packages and install?
[09:17] <mar77i> setting up servers in a script here, I was wondering whether I could pass some default answers when apt-get upgrade would require user interaction... can anyone point me to the respective literature?
[09:17] <kostkon> !eolupgrades | Pitel
[09:18] <mar77i> oh wait, I think --force-confnew can somehow be applied to dpkg
[09:19] <qwefytuiityty> zeram and zeswap help only + time
[09:20] <brainwash> blip99: if you know how to resolve package conflicts, sure
[09:20] <brainwash> blip99: or, you could download the source data, and then build the older version for 18.04
[09:23] <qwefytuiityty> 100% help have big memory for - not to use swap.
[09:25] <blip99> brainwash, i dont understand why synaptic shows me that a package is broken when it shouldn't be.  E.g. I click on strongswan-charon, click Force Version and select the older 5.5 from Artful.  Then shows up in red as broken.  Why?
[09:25] <blip99> brainwash, the only requirement of this package is libstrongswan - which is also available in 5.5 version from Artful
[09:26] <qwefytuiityty> With SWAP this big trouble!!! NEED FIX IT!!! My HDD ST1000VX000
[09:27] <blip99> brainwash, here is the full list of depends. could u please give me some guidance? https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/strongswan-charon
[09:28] <qwefytuiityty> controler sata2
[09:28] <longword> qwe: Hard disk makes a very poor substitute for memory. If you find yourself swapping heavily, particularly on a rotational disk like that, you will be living life in the slow lane for sure.
[09:30] <brainwash> blip99: I would try via terminal then. sudo apt install strongswan-charon=5.5.1-4ubuntu2.2
[09:30] <blackflow> qwefytuiityty: heavy swap usage means you need more RAM. no other way to fix it, for that same use case. Add more RAM. Or find a way to use less memory.
[09:30] <brainwash> blip99: that's the version from artful-updates
[09:31] <Bugzie> blip99: What version of ubuntu do you have?
[09:31] <brainwash> blackflow: assuming that you've already installed libstrongswan=5.5.1-4ubuntu2.2
[09:31] <brainwash> ehm
[09:31] <brainwash> blip99: ^
[09:32] <Bugzie> blip99: ldd the binary, not the complete picture but we can at first see if there is missing library right away
[09:33] <qwefytuiityty> longword. I know that. But Windows can use a swap file so that it doesn't freeze.
[09:33] <longword> It rather depends on how much swapping you're doing.
[09:34] <longword> As a rule, "more than none" is too much.
[09:34] <Bugzie> NO
[09:34] <Bugzie> You misunderstand
[09:34] <blackflow> longword: actually I disagree. There's always bloat in programs that load up more than they use, so swapping out _some_ pages, that really are not used, is a good thing.
[09:34] <Bugzie> Linux and and Windows does it differently
[09:34] <Bugzie> They are not the same
[09:34] <sgflt> i'm having issues installing libc6:armhf on a trusty system (that has armhf as a foreign arch). is that supposed to work?
[09:35] <blackflow> the problem is when you start swapping in and out pages that are in ACTIVE use, because there's insufficient RAM.
[09:35] <longword> That is true, but I find my rule more convenient
[09:36] <longword> And there's a difference between "swapping" (i.e. paging in and out to disk) and "having some swap space in use"
[09:36] <blip99> brainwash, Bugzie: I have 17.10, upgraded to 18.04 - trying to revert to strongswan packages from 17.10.  ie 5.5.x instead of 5.6
[09:36] <blackflow> longword: then make sure you present it as your own, personal convenience preference :)    stating "as a rule" implies a fact.
[09:36] <blip99> brainwash, Bugzie: attempting to install via terminal gives:  strongswan-charon : Depends: libstrongswan (= 5.5.1-4ubuntu2) but 5.6.2-1ubuntu2 is to be installed.
[09:37] <Bugzie> There is no swap space in use, there is priotiy
[09:37] <longword> All rules are my own. Your mileage may vary. Terms & Conditions apply.
[09:37] <brainwash> blip99: why didn't you install the correct libstrongswan beforehand?
[09:37] <Bugzie> Windows in memory, change prioprity on the fly
[09:37] <blackflow> besides, like Bugzie implied, windows pagefile != linux swap file. they're different beasts that superficially look like they're doing the same thing.
[09:38] <Bugzie> Why Linux, will push data that's not use into swap
[09:38] <blackflow> longword: true, but users seeking help here might not know that ;)
[09:38] <blackflow> (if not explicitly stated)
[09:39] <Bugzie> Windows memory manager is a bit complicated
[09:39] <blackflow> The bottom line remains, however. Heavy swapping, thatis activity of paging in and out, means there's insufficient RAM for the use case. Either add more RAM, or reduce RAM requirements.
[09:39] <Bugzie> Linux memory manager is simple
[09:39] <blip99> brainwash, ah got you. ok im following the dependency chain now and installing from bottom up. will report back
[09:39] <qwefytuiityty> Humor or not humor: there are no problems, of give me money and me not need use swap and I will buy 128 GB memories. I have 4 gb.
[09:41] <qwefytuiityty> ok not 128, norm 16
[09:41] <Bugzie> blackflow: Do you know OS memory manager work?
[09:41] <blackflow> yes
[09:42] <Bugzie> What's the difference between Linux and Windows and FreeBSD
[09:43] <blackflow> they're different operating systems.
[09:43] <Bugzie> memory managers
[09:43] <Bugzie> What are the differences
[09:43] <blackflow> no idea.
[09:43] <Bugzie> Sweet
[09:44] <Bugzie> I don't know about freebsb, but I think I understand Linux memory manager and Windows
[09:44] <Bugzie> Windows has has layer what data it will pusch to disk
[09:45] <Bugzie> While Linux has, whatever data is not being use, push to disk
[09:45] <blackflow> Bugzie: I haven't seen the windows code, of course, but between fbsd and linux I am guessing the differences are in heuristics of choosing which pages to swap out.
[09:45] <brainwash> !ot
[09:45] <blackflow> on fbsd, for example, you'll have pages swapped out even if you have more than sufficient RAM. on linux, there's the swappiness factor and the decision making is different. that's all I know about specific differences.
[09:45] <Bugzie> There no Windows code to look at but behavior and Windows Internals
[09:46] <blip99> brainwash, Bugzie: libstrongswan-extra-plugins requires libcurl3, bionic comes with libcurl4.  is it fine to remove 4?
[09:46] <sliddis> I got spotify and slack through the new snap packet manager. why does snap applications take so long time to start up?
[09:46] <brainwash> blip99: doesn't other software depend on libcurl4?
[09:48] <Bugzie> blip99: First, what happen to apt install libstrongswan-extra-plugins
[09:50] <blip99> one sec pls
[09:51] <blip99> Bugzie, that package depends on libcharon-extra-plugins and libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2)
[09:51] <RSpliet> On Ubuntu 16.04: when I try to print from e.g. Firefox I get a list of network printers to choose from. When pressing the print button in Gnome dia on the other hand, the list is completely empty. The list in the Gnome printer settings is empty too... how come I can print from some applications, but not others? And how do I resolve this problem?
[09:51] <blip99> Thus I'm forced to do something about libcurl
[09:51] <blip99> brainwash, apparently not on my system. nothing using libcurl4
[09:51] <blip99> just curl
[09:51] <Bugzie> I am reading
[09:52] <blip99> ty
[09:52] <brainwash> blip99: curl does not depend on libcurl?
[09:52] <Bugzie> I need the full pastebin
[09:52] <qwefytuiityty> In linux there is deamon, at FreeBDS a logo a devil. On windows it is possible to start the crazy games spoiling a psika of people. Dirty trick everywhere. But in windows it is possible and not to use games.
[09:53] <Bugzie> You have generic dependency problem
[09:53] <Bugzie> I don't know how that solve that
[09:53] <blip99> brainwash, it does yes. that's fine though
[09:53] <Bugzie> But I need the full output
[09:53] <blip99> Bugzie, sure.    Then I think everything will be fine
[09:55] <qwefytuiityty> linux daemon
[09:55] <Bugzie> NO
[09:56] <Bugzie> blip99: I want to make sure you can work your problem safely
[09:57] <Bugzie> blip99: But I think you must installed the problem from a different source
[09:58] <blip99> ok let me compile a pastebin with some info.  Give me few mins please Bugzie
[09:58] <Bugzie> I said pastebin
[09:58] <blip99> yep
[09:58] <Bugzie> But YOu don't want real help
[09:59] <blip99> I have a meeting at work.  I'll be back soon
[09:59] <silver_hook> I’m trying to scan with my Epson L386 and so far the only way was to install ImageScan (Epson’s own scanning tool), as Sane doesn’t find the scanner. It worked for months, but now whenever I scan with ImageScan I cannot get the scan image file.
[09:59] <Bugzie> I don't know printer stuff
[10:00] <Bugzie> I can offer just basic help
[10:00] <silver_hook> The oddest thing is that ImageScan does create the (empty) file when the scan starts, but after the scan finishes, it deletes it.
[10:00] <Bugzie> silver_hook: What isn't working
[10:01] <silver_hook> Bugzie: No, that’s not working in the end ;)
[10:01] <silver_hook> It used to work fine though.
[10:01] <Bugzie> Explain
[10:01] <Bugzie> What isn't working
[10:01] <SimonNL> funny guy
[10:01] <Bugzie> No
[10:01] <Bugzie> What isn't working?
[10:02] <Bugzie> Be specific
[10:02] <Bugzie> When I click on this problem it doesn't print
[10:02] <SimonNL> silver_hook: maybe completely removing driver and re-istalling it
[10:02] <Bugzie> NO
[10:03] <Bugzie> Linux has wholesale drivers per kernel
[10:03] <jnhghy> Hi, I have a computer running ubuntu 16.04 trying to mount a nfs drive throw fstab but it doesn't mount at startup ( if I run sudo mount -a it works ) I've noticed the "wired connection" notification comes pretty late so I guess there is no link at boot how can I make it mount after the connection is on?
[10:03] <SimonNL> not always for scanners/printers
[10:03] <SimonNL> Bugzie: ^
[10:03] <SimonNL> afaik
[10:04] <Bugzie> Yes, I'd agree if he says what desn't work
[10:05] <silver_hook> Bugzie, SimonNL: the driver works, since I can get the preview to show on screen. But when I click to “scan”, it creates the file it wants to save the image to, then finishes the scan, and then the very instance deletes the file.
[10:05] <Bugzie> jmgb4: Pstebin /mnt/fstab
[10:05] <silver_hook> So the scan works, but I can’t get a file out of it (anymore)
[10:05] <Bugzie> silver_hook: Does it print
[10:05] <silver_hook> Bugzie: Yes
[10:06] <Bugzie> oR, SAN
[10:06] <silver_hook> Bugzie: It even prints over the WiFi.
[10:06] <Bugzie> What program are you using for scan?
[10:06] <silver_hook> Bugzie: ImageScan (Epson’s own thing), since Sane doesn’t find it as a scanner (even over USB).
[10:06] <RSpliet> silver_hook: the fact that you say "Sane doesn't recognise my scanner" makes me suspect that instead of a nicely integrated driver, the Epson scanning tool talks to your scanner directly through a generic USB library. There's little that the open source community can do to debug Epson's (closed source) tool chain
[10:07] <silver_hook> RSpliet: AFAIK, ImageScan actually is built on SANE.
[10:07] <silver_hook> http://download.ebz.epson.net/man/linux/imagescanv3_e.html
[10:07] <silver_hook> Which is double-odd.
[10:08] <silver_hook> As for drivers, I have the official Epson FOSS drivers installed: printer-driver-escpr
[10:08] <RSpliet> silver_hook: but you say that SANE doesn't recognise your scanner... insane I'd even call that ;-)
[10:09] <silver_hook> RSpliet: Well, TBH, SANE is pretty messed up to begin with from the end-user PoV :p
[10:09] <blackflow> silver_hook: is your scanner listed as supported here: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/doc/libsane/supported.html#Z-EPSON
[10:10] <silver_hook> blackflow: No.
[10:11] <RSpliet> Then I'll stand by my assertion that the Epson tool is not doing things the open source way, but is speaking their own protocol behind the back of Sane. You might want to get in touch with Epson about problems with their tool
[10:12] <silver_hook> It depends on Sane though: http://support.epson.net/linux/src/scanner/imagescanv3/ubuntu/imagescan_3.38.0-1epson4ubuntu17.10.dsc
[10:12] <blackflow> RSpliet: +1
[10:12] <Bugzie> I agree and disgree with RSpliet
[10:13] <Bugzie> I mean, you can't help it, but you can make it work
[10:13] <silver_hook> Also, the tool itself is FOSS (GPL-3.0-or-later): https://github.com/utsushi/imagescan
[10:13] <Bugzie> However, This is the wrong room
[10:14] <blackflow> silver_hook: seen this?   https://srm.gr/scanning-over-network-linux-xsane-and-wifi-or-ethernet-scanner-epson-l386
[10:14] <Bugzie> I think you need find hardware room
[10:15] <silver_hook> The hardware obviously works (scanner responds, I get a preview), the app seems buggy (deletes the saved image)
[10:15] <blackflow> silver_hook: specifically, it calls for a manual config entry, after installing the iscan drivers
[10:15] <silver_hook> blackflow: I’ll look into it, thanks.
[10:15] <RSpliet> silver_hook: interesting! On the plus side, that gives you a good reference to talk to :-)
[10:16] <blackflow> silver_hook: because then you could use the xsane's quickscan program, or whatsitcalled
[10:16] <silver_hook> blackflow: That’d be awesome, yeah. ImageScan is a PITA to use compared to xsane or SkanLite.
[10:16] <silver_hook> Anyway, I won’t bother you guys anymore and dive into what blackflow linked.
[10:16] <m2_teknix> how can I redirect output of "pipreqs some_package --print" directly to "pip install"
[10:19] <Bugzie> mz`: |
[10:19] <Bugzie> doesn't work?
[10:20] <blackflow> m2_teknix: if "-r -"  does not work for pip install, then output to a file, and give that file to pip with -r
[10:20] <blackflow> otherwise, use xargs
[10:20] <Bugzie> No
[10:20] <Bugzie> m2_teknix: | doesn't work?
[10:21] <Bugzie> Maybe, I am wrong, | is a pipe?
[10:21] <_cc> wouldn't it be pip install -r `pipreqs some_package --print`
[10:21] <Bugzie> Oh
[10:21] <Bugzie> I am wrong
[10:22] <Bugzie> NO
[10:22] <blackflow> _cc: no, -r takes the filename containing the list of packages
[10:22] <_cc> oh
[10:22] <Triffid_Hunter> so, -r <(pipreqs ...) ?
[10:22] <Bugzie> cat word | grep
[10:22] <_cc> I haven't used it much, and yeah -r < should then be correct
[10:22] <Bugzie> Yeah it works
[10:22] <blackflow> no, -r takes the filename..... file NAME.
[10:23] <Bugzie> blackflow: 06:16 < m2_teknix> how can I redirect output of "pipreqs some_package --print" directly to "pip install"
[10:23] <Triffid_Hunter> blackflow: and <(..) causes bash to create a named pipe and connect the command in parentheses' output to it.. echo <(cat) for example spits out /dev/fd/63
[10:23] <Bugzie> So | doesn't work?
[10:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:24] <Triffid_Hunter> blackflow: which is perfect for feeding output to something that wants a filename
[10:25] <blackflow> Triffid_Hunter: I was referring to using | with -r   :) but yeah, named pipe should work. forgot about that one.
[10:26] <_cc> yeah, i said "-r <", not "-r |"
[10:26] <Bugzie> You almost made me cheak my work blackflow
[10:26] <Bugzie> check*
[10:26] <Bugzie> blackflow: ^^
[10:27] <blackflow> _cc: you said -r `command that outputs something on stdout`
[10:27] <_cc> and after that i corrected it
[10:28] <Bugzie> blackflow: I don't want dislike you and make you my enemy
[10:29] <Bugzie> blackflow: I am Bugzbunny, I've been kline from freenode many times...
[10:30] <Bugzie> Trying to make friend with you, otherwise, tell me to fuck off
[10:30] <Bugzie> I won't highlight you ever
[10:30] <silver_hook> blackflow: “iscan” in that article is the same as “ImageScan” that I referred to. I’ll try to get it to work somehow. The fact that it works for the guy is already a good hint :)
[10:30] <blackflow> Bugzie: no idea what you're talking about.
[10:30] <Bugzie> blackflow: I said hello
[10:32] <Bugzie> blackflow: Hello
[10:32] <JimBuntu> !language | Bugzie
[10:33] <Bugzie> JimBuntu: Where was the lauguage ?
[10:33] <JimBuntu> Bugzie, "Trying to make friend with you, otherwise, tell me to..."
[10:33] <Bugzie> Sweet
[10:34] <blackflow> Bugzie: and hello back at you.
[10:34] <Bugzie> I don't want to incure enemies because I can dish out what you give me
[10:34] <Bugzie> blackflow: Nice to meat you
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Bugzie, back to the ontopic please
[10:35] <silver_hook> blackflow: Woot, got it to work in Sane proper now \o/ Thanks for the link. Now it works also over WiFi, so that’s awesome :D
[10:35] <Bugzie> BluesKaj: Is that want you want to do
[10:35] <thepun> anyone rocommend a discusion board not support like but just a general linux discussion
[10:36] <blackflow> silver_hook: yw
[10:36] <Bugzie> BluesKaj: Make it clear for me, you actually telling me to be on on topic
[10:36] <blackflow> silver_hook: btw, gimp can also scan things with xsane, if that quick scan program is insufficient
[10:36] <Bugzie> err
[10:36] <jeffguorg> thepun: emmmmm, like stackoverflow ?
[10:36] <Bugzie> blackflow: &
[10:37] <Bugzie> blackflow: Is that you really want?
[10:37] <silver_hook> blackflow: I’m good in that department, thanks. SkanLite does exactly what I need and when not GIMP and XSane are there as well.
[10:37] <thepun> i have ideas about "automating" my house
[10:38] <Bugzie> BluesKaj: Are you OP
[10:39] <ikonia> Bugzie: it doesn't matter if he's an op, please try to keep to the channels topic
[10:39] <ikonia> it just helps it flow a little better
[10:39] <Bugzie> No
[10:39] <Bugzie> I like to know who is OP
[10:39] <Bugzie> That way I can behave yes?
[10:40] <ikonia> you can behae anyway
[10:40] <ikonia> !guidelines  | Bugzie
[10:40] <ikonia> those are the channels guidelines and expected behaviour
[10:40] <Bugzie> I read the guldlines
[10:40] <ikonia> please try to stick to them (have a quick read through)
[10:40] <Bugzie> What rules I just broke
[10:41] <ikonia> great, so you know how to behave, thats great, if you could stick to the channels topic of ubuntu support, that would be really appreciated as it helps the channel to to flow
[10:41] <jeffguorg> thepun: automating your house?
[10:41]  * JimBuntu wonders what it's like to find worth in ones self based on disrupting IRC support channels. Must be depressing.
[10:41] <ikonia> I don't think anyone is saying you broke a rule
[10:41] <Norux> ikonia: If you don't know, he's known for trolling here
[10:42] <ikonia> well, he has a choice of stopping or not, so lets all get back to the channel topic
[10:42] <bogdana_v> hi folks! i was wondering if anyone else was experiencing really slow downloads from archive.ubuntu.com? (i'm currently trying to see if it can be reproduced with a mirror, but thought i'd check here as well)
[10:43] <JimBuntu> bogdana_v, not slow here. Has been reported recently in the past, in that case it was something bad about the users connection (it was a VPS).
[10:44] <Bugzie> JimBuntu: I want to help you, you think I can't do that
[10:44] <jeffguorg> just ignore him. let him say what hey want to say. it's no sense arguing here
[10:44] <Bugzie> I hete people who say, not slow here
[10:44] <zelev> Good afternoon
[10:45] <jeffguorg> greetings, :)
[10:46] <zelev> I just swinging by, I had no idea irc was still alive and kicking...was very useful to me in college many moons ago
[10:47] <thepun> so i wana be able to set up a small server that any device in my home can connect to and stream it through a private "intranet"
[10:47] <jeffguorg> zelev: me too. i'm in china. we use qq there. never had a chance to try IRC. and just surprised by it's alive
[10:48] <Bugzie> I mught have some ideas
[10:49] <JimBuntu> thepun, look into Plex, Emby, Subsonic, Madsonic, Gerbera, OpenFlixr and TvMOBiLi - pick which one is right for you.
[10:49] <Bugzie> Plex
[10:49] <tomreyn> by 'stream it through a private "intranet"', are you referring to a secondary subnet, a vlan, a vpn, audio or video streaming, or something else entirely?
[10:49] <Bugzie> I use
[10:49] <JimBuntu> thepun, You may also want to look into NextCloud
[10:49] <Bugzie> But that change
[10:51] <jeffguorg> thepun: sounds good...but you need to choose a stack to use. are you streaming via wifi or bluetooth or something else?
[10:52] <Bugzie> thepun: It's better
[10:52] <thepun> i want to be able to access all my files across all my devices, ms and linux based, and only at home, no outside connection
[10:53] <JimBuntu> thepun, the "no outside connection" has nothing to do with your media server selection... that's a different topic (#networking)
[10:53] <jeffguorg> it's easy man. i'm already working on that
[10:53] <tomreyn> thepun: which computers are going to access files on which computers?
[10:54] <thepun> i havent tested the signal degredation* of hardwire across a house but hopefully both, itll be nice to have plugs on the walls like sockets
[10:55] <Bugzie> thepun: why we care about that?
[10:55] <jeffguorg> gotta go home though. see thou later
[10:56] <thepun> i came here for some direction i was not disappiiti
[10:56] <Bugzie> I want to help people and share my knowlege
[10:56] <Bugzie> Is it a probem in this room?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> thepun, hardware wise you could look into using housewiring and ethernet adapters if wifi is difficult in areas of your home
[10:58] <Bugzie> 06:16 < m2_teknix> how can I redirect output of "pipreqs some_package --print" directly to "pip install"
[10:59] <thepun> well i would like to run pis on all the tv's using a media interface, atleast my main tv g
[10:59] <Bugzie> 705:43 < Bugzie> memory managers
[10:59] <Bugzie> 05:43 < Bugzie> What are the differences
[10:59] <Bugzie> 05:43 < blackflow> no idea.
[10:59] <Bugzie> 05:43 < Bugzie> Sweet
[10:59] <thepun> sorry, custom media gui
[11:00] <blackflow> thepun: for wired (UTP) cables, you don't need to concern yourself with signal degradation unless you have a very big house and cables run longer than, say, 100 meters or so. otherwise for wifi, there are signal repeaters that you can put in strategic places to work around pockets with no signal
[11:00] <Bugzie> 06:44 < Bugzie> JimBuntu: I want to help you, you think I can't do that
[11:00] <Bugzie> 06:44 -!- zelev<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[11:00] <Bugzie> 06:44 < jeffguorg> just ignore him. let him say what hey want to say. it's no sense arguing here
[11:00] <Bugzie> 06:44 < Bugzie> I hete people who say, not slow here
[11:00] <tomreyn> there are also signal repeaters for wires.
[11:01] <Bugzie> I will note
[11:01] <blackflow> tomreyn: true that, yeah. but if that's required, it's a very, very big house :)
[11:01] <tomreyn> Bugzie: please stop posting random (?) quoted chat here.
[11:02] <Bugzie> tomreyn: Psatebin would be better
[11:02] <tomreyn> Bugzie: whatever keeps it out of this channel. it's not even clear what the purpose is (at least to me)
[11:02] <BluesKaj> thepun, that's a matter of convenience mostly , but i just use an outboard drive connected to my home network thru network folders in my file manager on my main pc which is also connected to my main TV via hdmi
[11:02] <ikonia> Bugzie: please drop it, stick to support discussion
[11:03] <tomreyn> blackflow: yes indeed. ;)
[11:03] <ikonia> Bugzie: any personal problems, please join #ubuntu-ops and we'll respond to it for you
[11:05] <Bugzie> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/FCEDgMnH
[11:07] <tomreyn> Bugzie: that's more chat log, i still don't see the purpose of bringing it here. it's not asking or responding to questions regarding ubuntu support.
[11:07] <ikonia> tomreyn: he's muted now, so there will be no more of it
[11:07] <BluesKaj> thanks ikonia
[11:08]  * tomreyn noticed
[11:08] <Vinylourson> #join #bash
[11:13] <odooadmin> hello
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[11:24] <Captain_Haddock> Hi, how do I check if my front audio output port is detected by linux?
[11:24] <Captain_Haddock> The audio out headphone jack is not working currently. But the mic is working fine :/
[11:25] <sliddis> Can someone recommend me a lightweight *simple* image app on ubuntu 18.04 that can CROP and FLIP images?  the "image viewer" app that came with 18.04 minimal install cant do anything basically
[11:26] <JimBuntu> sliddis, GIMP not light-weight enough?
[11:26] <sliddis> gimp is too heavy
[11:26] <sliddis> too many buttons
[11:27] <Captain_Haddock> sliddis: I use DigiKam. But it's not terribly light either.
[11:27] <JimBuntu> sliddis, do you need GUI or could it be CLI?
[11:27] <sliddis> JimBuntu: gui
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock,  check alsamixer and make sure automute is disabled
[11:29] <redwalk> Has anybody else had an issue with tmux 2.6 on 18.04 not clearing the screen?
[11:29] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: I don't see an automute option in alsamixer.
[11:29] <case`> sliddis#:you could try gnome-paint, similar to mspaint is quite light
[11:30] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: I do see a Front option in alsamixer and that's set to high
[11:30] <blip99> !paste
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, it's on the far right ,usually depends which output you're using on your sound card first, check F6 for choices
[11:31] <case`> sliddis: inkscape also has a lite version
[11:33] <blip99> Bugzie, sorry for delay, had several meetings just got back.  Hope this helps: sources.list http://termbin.com/49r6  list of Artful 5.5 swan packages I managed to install http://termbin.com/v0m0  The package that doesn't install due to libcurl3 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mx2HGdsFDJ/
[11:33] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: I only see "Loopback mixing" which was disabled.
[11:33] <Captain_Haddock> Enabling doesn't help.
[11:33] <Captain_Haddock> Let me google it.
[11:33] <neure> hi
[11:34] <neure> is there command to tell if disk drive is hdd or ssd?
[11:34] <BluesKaj> automute  should be right beside the loopback Captain_Haddock
[11:35] <sliddis> JimBuntu: Captain_Haddock: gThumb image viewer is perfect for my needs.
[11:35] <BluesKaj> neure, not really unless you know the size of the drives then df -h should help
[11:35] <JimBuntu> neure, SSD is a kind of HDD. I'm not sure if there is a way to know the technology of the drive, outside *maybe* a model number/etc lookup
[11:36] <zenox> take the drive out and look at it
[11:36] <neure> stack overflow says cat /sys/block/sda/queue/rotational
[11:36] <neure> and that says 0
[11:36] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: I only have Master, Headphone, PCM, Front, Surround, Center, LFE, Side, Line, Line Boost, Line Boost, Mic, Mic Boost, S/PDIF, S/PDIF Def, Capture, Capture 1, Input Sour, Input Sour, Loopback Mixing.
[11:36] <Captain_Haddock> No auto-mute :(
[11:37] <zenox> i gave up with sound on my laptop! even with headphones in, it still came out of the speakers!
[11:37] <case`> neure:blkid will give you drive info - might not tell you if hdd or sdd, but will give you idea of partitions
[11:37] <Captain_Haddock> I do see it in screenshots. But I'm not seeing it here.
[11:37] <Captain_Haddock> zenox: :P
[11:37] <blackflow> neure: that seems to be true then. I've got 0 for SSDs and 1 for HDDs
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, paste your alsamixer in imgur
[11:37] <blackflow> neure: also, looking up serial number is the best bet
[11:38] <blackflow> neure: smartctl from smartmontools can help with that. It also lists "Rotation Rate: Solid State Device" for SSDs, it seems.
[11:38] <JimBuntu> neure, Ok, that will tell you if it's rotational or not... if you are sure about the device (sda), then I suppose you can figure out if it's the right one... I suppose a flash drive or such would also not be rtoational, yet also not the drive you are looking for
[11:39] <blip99> brainwash, perhaps you have additional thoughts?  Trying to downgrade bunch of swan packages. I've installed the following Artful packages on Bionic http://termbin.com/v0m0  however I cannot install some more due to libcurl3 requirement https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mx2HGdsFDJ   ..  I don't need curl, is there any reason I can't uninstall liburl4?
[11:40] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: https://i.imgur.com/FShYhgM.png
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, ok , seems the devs have removed automute after upgrades I guess, I don't have it anymore either
[11:46] <Triffid_Hunter> neure: you could hdparm -i /dev/sda and ask google about the model number..
[11:46] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: Thanks. Any idea what I should be looking for to see if the front audio port has been detected correctly by Linux?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, looks like you have the snd_hda_intel driver. try sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel  to load the driver it's a well known bug that hasn't been fixed for yrs, there won't be any out put if the driver loads properly , then reboot
[11:49] <neure> I opened the case
[11:50] <neure> both drivers are SSD
[11:57] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: Trying now.
[12:00] <xirg> Salut
[12:02] <Norux> hi everybody
[12:02] <BluesKaj> hi xirg, Norux
[12:03] <xirg> hi
[12:09] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: No change :(
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, ok let's make sure of the driver,  cat /proc/asound/modules
[12:10] <xirg> so with a fresh install of smtp, do I need to add a hostname for smtp.mydomain.com
[12:10] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj:   0 snd_hda_intel
[12:10] <Captain_Haddock>  1 snd_hda_intel
[12:10] <Captain_Haddock> FWIW, it works when I use the rear audio ports.
[12:11] <Captain_Haddock> It's only front audio that's problematic.
[12:11] <Captain_Haddock> Rather, Rear audio out works, but rear mic doesn't. Front mic works, but audio doesn't :/
[12:12] <Captain_Haddock> I also have a nvidia gp108 card, FYI.
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, install pavucontrol to set your audio out and input levels and devices
[12:14] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: I already have it. I see the audio meters reacting to the input/output as described above.
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, your gpu only carries audio thru hdmi or displayport afaik
[12:17] <RSpliet> Captain_Haddock: Pardon my attempt to disambiguate... are we talking about a desktop computer with audio port on the front of the case *and* the back? Or are we talking about the various channels (front speakers, rear speakers) in the audio ports on the back of the case?
[12:18] <Captain_Haddock> RSpliet: Desktop computer with ports in the front and back.
[12:19] <RSpliet> Okay, in that case the "Front" as you see in Alsa mixer is not what you are after ;-)
[12:19] <Captain_Haddock> heh. Yeah. I guessed as much :)
[12:19] <zafeer> hi
[12:19] <Captain_Haddock> Hello
[12:19] <zafeer> hw r u
[12:19] <zafeer> guys
[12:19] <mceier> Captain_Haddock: try unmutting headphone output in alsamixer if you haven't done this earlier
[12:20] <RSpliet> Captain_Haddock: Gnome or Unity?
[12:20] <Captain_Haddock> RSpliet: KDE
[12:20] <RSpliet> Ah... :-D
[12:20] <Captain_Haddock> mceier: It's working fine via the rear ports. So it appears to be fine.
[12:20] <mceier> ok
[12:20] <zafeer> how can i install android studio in ubuntu 18.04
[12:21] <Captain_Haddock> zafeer: Go to the website, download and follow instructions.
[12:21] <RSpliet> Captain_Haddock: a window like this https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/0/0e/Phonon-Audio-Hardware.png should let you select between the front and rear ports. Applications have to choose, they're unlikely to play over both outputs at the same time
[12:21] <zafeer> can you please send me the link
[12:21] <BluesKaj> zafeer, you install ubuntu-studio, not android
[12:21] <JimBuntu> zafeer, https://askubuntu.com/questions/634082/how-to-install-android-studio-on-ubuntu
[12:22] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, "Android Studio" is the default IDE/extras for writing Android apps.
[12:22] <[twisti]> i have a script that returns exit codes > 1, but for further processing, i need to convert them to 1 (or 0, if its 0). anyone got a handy oneline for that ?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> yeah, but why would you want android on ubuntu, JimBuntu
[12:23] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:23] <ikonia> you need to change the script to show sucesss/failure then
[12:23] <zafeer> thank you verymuch guys
[12:23] <ikonia> you can't change the exit code
[12:23] <RSpliet> Captain_Haddock: I'm a Gnome guy (in fact, Fedora for personal use. Lurking here to try and solve a printer problem with my office machine - but I fear my q has disappeared into the void by now) so not too familiar with the GUIs of KDE.
[12:23] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, ? ... so you can write Android applications
[12:23] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it'a development IDE
[12:23] <Riley> hey guys im thinking about getting another drive for a linux partition. Is it possible to duel boot without grub now just by selecting the default boot drive in the bios?
[12:23] <zafeer> thankyou very much guys
[12:23] <BluesKaj> ok ikonia
[12:23] <Riley> I have an asus rog motherboard
[12:23] <ikonia> Riley: you'll need grub
[12:23] <ikonia> why would grub be a problem on a seperate drive ?
[12:23] <[twisti]> ikonia: i meant something like "script && exit 0 || exit 1"
[12:23] <ikonia> [twisti]: nah, that's not going to work
[12:23] <JimBuntu> [twisti], in this case, I would store the exit status as a variable, do an if [ x > 1] then x=1
[12:24] <ikonia> [twisti]: maybe see if you can use the RETVAL param ?
[12:24] <[twisti]> then im describing it badly, because i know it works as ive seen it before
[12:24] <ikonia> there you go, as JimBuntu said, manipulate RETVAL
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, make sure your relevant volme ctls in alsamixer are not muted (MM)
[12:24] <Captain_Haddock> RSpliet: Thank you :) Newer versions have an updated UI with an explicit Port setting. I however don't see a front audio port.
[12:25] <JimBuntu> Captain_Haddock, the "front audio port" is often known as the headphone jack
[12:25] <Riley> ikonia: my hope was just to be able to boot straight into ubuntu and when I want to play games just reselect the default boot drive from my bios
[12:25] <Captain_Haddock> RSpliet: I do see a Microphone port for input. But that doesn't work when connected in the rear.
[12:25] <Riley> I have 3 drives already on this desktop
[12:26] <RSpliet> Captain_Haddock: how many sound "cards" do you have in that menu? 2 or 3?
[12:26] <RSpliet> Sorry if this was asked already :-)
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, think your headphone volume ctrl is the front, front in alsmixer means front speakers afaik
[12:26] <Captain_Haddock> JimBuntu: I unfortunately don't see it listed. I  only see "Line out" for output and Microphone and Line In (unplugged) for input.
[12:26] <Captain_Haddock> RSpliet: Two.
[12:27] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: They appear to all be unmuted.
[12:27] <Captain_Haddock> Anyone know how I can check which ports are being detected correctly by Linux?
[12:28] <qwefytuiityty> console and command "alsamixer" and see whot anable or desable
[12:28] <qwefytuiityty> what
[12:28] <rory> If I ctrl-z a process, then when I "fg" it again, the terminal title shows as "fg" instead of the actual command. I get this is kind of a feature, not a bug, but is there any way to change it?
[12:28] <qwefytuiityty> as wariant
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, in the imgur you posted headphone level is down and MM is showing in the box
[12:28] <qwefytuiityty> variant
[12:30] <RSpliet> Captain_Haddock: you say the front mic port works... and perhaps you already have them working with Another Operating System (tm) so I doubt this'll make a difference, but... in some BIOS/UEFIs the "front audio panel" can be explicitly enabled and disabled. Did you check these settings?
[12:30] <RSpliet> Just covering all bases :-)
[12:31] <brainwash> rory: probably a question for #bash
[12:32] <rory> ty
[12:36] <[twisti]> ikonia / JimBuntu: i figured out what i was looking for, its "scriptname && exit 0 ; exit 1"
[12:37] <JimBuntu> [twisti], ok. Glad that it's working now.
[12:51] <Cheez> ooh, weird. jenkins .deb no longer says it requires java
[12:51] <Cheez> so apt-upgrade with it removes java
[12:52] <Cheez> and everything breaks
[12:53] <IhrFussel> Does iostat report average values since boot time?
[13:02] <Anticom> I know i should probably just rtfm but how do i list all files in a directory that are older than date X? Has find an option for those? Basically i'd like to find all logs in /var/log that are older than 2016
[13:02] <filenotfound> its my first time in a IRC chat. I have a question about a kernel compile
[13:03] <Cheez> Anticom: find -mtime -atime etc
[13:05] <Cheez> filenotfound: general etiquette is to ask your question, rather than meta questions about your question :)
[13:06] <blip99> I reset a user's password on a work laptop by going to recovery shell and doing a 'passwd <username>' - after doing that the OS freezes on login screen after pressing Enter.  Could /ect/shadow have become corrupted?
[13:06] <blip99> could encryption of /home play a role
[13:07] <Anticom> Cheez: where do i find how the parameter for -mtime/-atime etc. work? I only know about the +n syntax but i don't want to calculate how many day's it's been since 01.01.2016
[13:07] <Anticom> So i was hoping for a way to give find an absolute date spec
[13:08] <Anticom> works*
[13:08] <Cheez> Anticom: i only know that same syntax off of the top of my head, check man find to see if it has any sort of absolute syntax
[13:08] <Anticom> Cheez: dunno where to look for it in the manpage, there's no 'see xy' etc. for -atime and -mtime
[13:09] <Anticom> oh nvm, it's right under TESTS
[13:09] <ragequit> hola. i'm trying to do a preseeded virt-install of ubuntu bionic. that works fine, up to the point where the VM reboots and netplan / systemd-networkd, or whatever magic additional layer of complexity fails to bring the interface up
[13:09] <ragequit> https://pastebin.com/CkfMcukM shows journalctl output on systemd-networkd restart
[13:10] <guiverc> Anticom, you realize `man` has a search/find function
[13:10] <Cheez> blip99: afaik (and it's been a while) if you do an admin reset of a user's password you need to re-encrypt their home dir.
[13:10] <Cheez> ie, if you don't use their origiunal password, pam wont sort it
[13:10] <Anticom> guiverc: i know about that, yea
[13:10] <guiverc> :)
[13:11] <Anticom> guiverc: in fact i use vim-style navigation in man pages since i'm used to them
[13:11] <Anticom> '$ find . -mtime 01.01.2016' is giving me: find: missing argument to `-mtime'
[13:11] <guiverc> me too... I was hoping you'd not ask how :)  as my fingers know better than my brain..
[13:12] <Spass> hello, I have an issue with various desktop elements losing hover when I drag my mouse cursor over the left and top edges of the screen (but issue isn't occurring on bottom and right edges), I've noticed it on my Xubuntu first, but upon testing I know that Ubuntu MATE and regular Ubuntu (GNOME) are also affected, you can see the issue here - https://youtu.be/YXmFXFV_ONQ
[13:12] <Anticom> guiverc: haha know what you're talking about
[13:12] <Anticom> guiverc: however that's positive in a sense as this means it's in the muscle memory already and you don't have to think about it conciously
[13:12] <longword> Anti, that's not how find works. It's relative. Feed it a number of days, optionally with a + or -
[13:13] <rypervenche> Anticom: There's also -newerXY
[13:13] <Spass> where I should submit this bug? more details are here - https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12190
[13:13] <Cheez> something like find -mtime $(echo $(date +%s) - $(date +%s -d"Jan 1, 2016 00:00:00") should work?
[13:13] <Cheez> not sure :)
[13:14] <longword> You could make your own fresh reference file with touch --date=
[13:15] <rypervenche> Anticom: For example: find . -newermt 2016-01-01
[13:17] <Anticom> rypervenche: that worked a charm, thanks!
[13:18] <rypervenche> Anticom: You can also add the opposite of that to create a range: find . -newermt 2016-01-01 ! -newermt 2016-02-01
[13:19] <Anticom> rypervenche: probably won't remember the XY part but that's easy to find in the man pages. Thanks for the tip, very convenient
[13:20] <rypervenche> Anticom: Time to start making a notes file :)
[13:20] <Anticom> true
[13:21] <RSpliet> Ping on: On Ubuntu 16.04: when I try to print from e.g. Firefox I get a list of network printers to choose from. When pressing the print button in Gnome dia on the other hand, the list is completely empty. The list in the Gnome printer settings is empty too... how come I can print from some applications, but not others? And how do I resolve this problem?
[13:26] <maxim__> hi
[13:26] <maxim__> hello
[13:29] <xirg> is it important to change my hostname?
[13:29] <xirg> is leaving it as localhost a problem?
[13:30] <xirg> I'm trying to configure smtp server and came across this hostname thing.  I'm wondering if I change my hostname will apache2,php, mysql, etc. start crashing
[13:30] <pavlos_> xirg: you can leave it as localhost, not a problem
[13:31] <pavlos_> xirg: but if you have 2 systems on the same naetwork, they should have different names
[13:31] <xirg> oh okay
[13:31] <xirg> if I change the hostname when I add a new device, will I need to configure other packages with the new hostname?
[13:33] <pavlos> xirg: no but make sure /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname have the same hostname ...
[13:35] <um1b0zu> Is snap-core down?
[13:35] <um1b0zu> I've been trying to install snap core and even just search their website and nothing is going through
[13:36] <leftyfb> um1b0zu: try #snappy
[13:38] <zprd> hi, upgraded to bionic lxc-ls -f complains "lxc-ls: parse.c: lxc_file_for_each_line_mmap: 102 Failed to parse config: lxc.include = /usr/share/lxc/config/debian.common.conf"
[13:39] <xirg> ok I set hostname to mydomain.com
[13:40] <kristenbb> hello, i'm using ubuntu 16.04, and the ubuntu launcher doesn't show anymore. I've tried many things on the web, such as apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop and rm -rf ~/.config, but it still doesnt work. any help please?
[13:41] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: Thanks. They are all on full now. No sound though.
[13:42] <Captain_Haddock> RSpliet: That's a good idea. I'll check that as well. But I'd be surprised if such a setting allowed the mic alone to work in the front panel.
[13:43] <unixvers> tes nickname
[13:43] <Captain_Haddock> RSpliet: As for your printer issue, try asking again. Thanks :)
[13:45] <Shmam> Where do snap packages install to? I want to change the icons for inkscape and the wiki shows that I need to put the icons in "<Inkscape install directory>/share/icons/" http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Customizing_Inkscape
[13:47] <Es0teric> i am trying to create a directory using git but for some reason i get this error: fatal: could not create work tree dir 'porfolio': Permission denied these are the permissions i currently have: drwxrwxr-x  2 www-data www-data 4096 Jan 15 19:11 html
[13:47] <Shmam> so you tried `git init`?
[13:47] <roman777> hola
[13:47] <Shmam> you should create a directory first `mkdir myFolder` then `cd myFolder` and finally, `git init`
[13:48] <Es0teric> touche, Shmam
[13:48] <JimBuntu> Es0teric, are you a member of the www-data group?
[13:49] <Es0teric> JimBuntu yeah now i am... i guess it didnt work cuz i had to ssh out of the server then ssh back in
[13:49] <Es0teric> i could have just source ~/.bashrc but meh
[13:49] <Shmam> or if you are using github, I always just `git pull` which is much faster
[13:49] <Es0teric> Shmam well thats the thing... i was trying to run a git clone
[13:50] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock,use the sound outputs that work
[13:50] <Shmam> from github? or somewhere else?
[13:50] <roman777> hola
[13:50] <roman777> help me
[13:50] <Shmam> ask your question
[13:50] <roman777> please mean
[13:51] <roman777> pleaseee
[13:51] <rypervenche> !es | roman777
[13:51] <leftyfb> !ask | roman777
[13:55] <Es0teric> Shmam from bitbucket but i fixed it all.. thanks man
[13:59] <anton_p> hi ppl. i reported a bug for the wong package. is there a way to correct it?
[14:03] <ikonia> close the bug
[14:04] <Shmam> so is there any way to customize snap packages?
[14:05] <tarzeau> Shmam: probably in the build process? are you creating the snap packages yourself?
[14:05] <Dbugger> Hi everyone
[14:05] <Spass> ok since I didn't get any reply here (it's hard to get noticed) I've created a new thread on AU - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1034051/what-causes-an-issue-with-desktop-elements-losing-focus-when-i-move-my-mouse-cur
[14:05] <leftyfb> Shmam: in /snap or ~/.snap/
[14:05] <anton_p> ikonia: and reopen it with another subject?
[14:06] <Shmam> oh cool, thats what I was looking for leftyfb
[14:06] <Shmam> that should be documented somewhere
[14:06] <leftyfb> Shmam: btw, there's also #snappy
[14:06] <Dbugger> Question: I would to do do some work at home, but I dont have any VPN to connect to from outside, so I cannot reach the network. Would it be possible that, leaving my laptop in the office  on, to use it as a "proxy" to be able to use my office's network?
[14:07] <Shmam> hmmm, theres no share/ directory in there http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Customizing_Inkscape
[14:08] <leftyfb> Dbugger: talk to your IT department
[14:08] <Shmam> nvm i found it
[14:08] <Dbugger> leftyfb, I did, but he said that since I refuse to use a Mac, he wont help me at all with IT issues...
[14:10] <eduardoj> hello guys, anyone having trouble casting a chrome tab to chromecast device in ubuntu 18.04 with google-chrome 66?
[14:10] <kristenbb> hello, i'm using ubuntu 16.04, and the ubuntu launcher doesn't show anymore. I've tried many things on the web, such as apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop and rm -rf ~/.config, but it still doesnt work. any help please?
[14:10] <leftyfb> !repeat | kristenbb
[14:12] <Shmam> leftyfb: do you know if I can copy over my gtk settings to a snap package? or should I just install with apt instead
[14:12] <leftyfb> Shmam: you should try #snappy
[14:12] <leftyfb> Shmam: also, don't crosspost
[14:13] <Shmam> yeah I posted in there but it seems pretty empty. I'll wait a bit tho
[14:18] <fission6> i want to completely remove some services that are starting when i reboot, i see the conf files in /etc/init where would i begin
[14:18] <joelio> Eh, I thought Bionic made Python3 default? I still see loads of 2.7
[14:19] <leftyfb> fission6: sudo systemctl disable <service name>
[14:20] <fission6> leftyfb what does that "do"
[14:20] <leftyfb> fission6: disables the service
[14:20] <fission6> i want to straight up remove the .conf files
[14:20] <fission6> like shouldn't be there
[14:20] <leftyfb> fission6: the proper way is to uninstall the package that put them there
[14:21] <leftyfb> fission6: which service are you referring to?
[14:21] <fission6> conf files i wrote for uwsgi and celery, when i cloned an ec2 which should have them, they are now on a sandbox instances which shouldn't run the same .conf
[14:22] <leftyfb> fission6: so you created these conf files and now don't want them there and you don't know how to rm them?
[14:22] <fission6> i cloned the box i do want them on, now i'd like to learn how ot properly remove these upstart services from the clones box
[14:23] <leftyfb> fission6: what version of ubuntu
[14:23] <linurandy> hello to everyone, i've problem with openvpn, first when i created the easy-rsa dir i modified the var file, and then I ran source vars, and show me that: bash: /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/openssl-1.0.0.cnf: Permiso denegado
[14:23] <linurandy> NOTE: If you run ./clean-all, I will be doing a rm -rf on /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/keys
[14:23] <linurandy> What i did wrong?
[14:23] <fission6> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS leftyfb
[14:24] <leftyfb> fission6: sudo updaterc.d disable <service name>
[14:24] <fission6> ok thanks, what does that technical "do"
[14:25] <leftyfb> fission6: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/update-rc.d.8.html#contenttoc5
[14:26] <fission6> leftyfb sudo: updaterc.d: command not found
[14:27] <leftyfb> sorry, update-rc.d
[14:27] <linurandy> hello to everyone, i've problem with openvpn, first when i created the easy-rsa dir i modified the var file, and then I ran source vars, and show me that: bash: /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/openssl-1.0.0.cnf: Permiso denegado
[14:27] <linurandy> NOTE: If you run ./clean-all, I will be doing a rm -rf on /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/keys
[14:27] <linurandy> What i did wrong?
[14:27] <leftyfb> !repeat | linurandy
[14:28] <skinux> I'd like to find a good method to backup my system. Not specifically the Ubuntu installation itself, but all installed apps, docs and such, /opt/ directory; I want it to be compressed as much as possible.
[14:28] <linurandy> sorry
[14:28] <fission6> leftyfb update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/uwsgi: file does not exist , the file i sin /etc/init not init.d
[14:28] <nkone> hi
[14:29] <leftyfb> skinux: it's not recommended to "backup" installed applications. Just reinstall ubuntu, then reinstall the application. Then restore your settings from $HOME and possibly /etc/
[14:29] <leftyfb> fission6: then just delete the file(s)
[14:29] <leftyfb> fission6: looks like you never setup the init scripts properly to begin with
[14:29] <fission6> yea thats what i was thinking, looks like i have a link
[14:29] <fission6> leftyfb (likely)
[14:32] <fission6> leftyfb ok i did rm uwsgi.conf, gonna restart the instance and see if anything boots
[14:33] <xirg> omg i finally found where the error was logged... but I already am re-installing from scratch to see if i can get the config right this time
[14:36] <rypervenche> linurandy: What user are you running this as?
[14:38] <master_> #mossoro
[14:43] <Es0teric> what is the best acl for ubuntu
[14:43] <Es0teric> ?
[14:44] <master_> olá pessoal
[14:44] <leftyfb> Es0teric: best is relative.
[14:44] <master_> olá pessoal
[14:44] <master_> olá pessoal
[14:44] <Es0teric> leftyfb well i just want an acl that works really well
[14:44] <leftyfb> Es0teric: ACL's are part of multiple different contexts
[14:44] <leftyfb> !es | master_
[14:48] <leftyfb> !pt | master_
[14:49] <Es0teric> leftyfb filesystem acl then
[14:50] <leftyfb> Es0teric: what are you talking about? permissions? ACL's? What's the use case? What are you trying to prevent?
[14:56] <czbaker> Hey folks, how goes?  Having a weird xorg issue.   I have three displays, and I had a configuration saved using `nvidia-settings`, but it isn't being read when I start up my desktop env.  Config is stored in both /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /usr/share/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf, neither seems to be read.  Where should this config be stored?
[14:57] <czbaker> Currently using Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, forgot to mention that.
[15:00] <joelio> czbaker: aer you in Wayland or actual Xorg?
[15:00] <czbaker> I would assume Xorg, since I thought that was the default now?
[15:00] <czbaker> I forgot that Wayland was even a thing.
[15:00] <joelio> actually, yes and no.. there is still some Wayland about
[15:01] <czbaker> Oh.
[15:01] <czbaker> How do I check, in that case?  I didn't know that was a thing.
[15:01] <joelio> is this a fresh install?
[15:01] <joelio> or dist-upgrade?
[15:01] <czbaker> Fresh
[15:01] <czbaker> Like three days ago
[15:01] <xbb_> hello
[15:03] <czbaker> I checked, seems that it's X11/Xorg, so not Wayland.
[15:04] <arkin> I'm having issues on Ubuntu 18.04 whereby a single process is causing the server to lock up and become completely unusable, even SSH - can anyone advice on measures to prevent this? Unfortunately, the task needs to run.
[15:04] <xbb_> I am running Ubuntu 16.04 as my HTPC ans whenever PC wakes up from sleep there is no sound from HDMI. There are different solutions offered, but it seems that not all of them work. Is there proven solution to make sound work?
[15:05] <leftyfb> arkin: which task?
[15:05] <arkin> leftyfb: npm install
[15:05] <arkin> Its an AWS micro EC2, and it runs fine for me, but the other developer might be overlapping instances of it or something causing the server to completely hang
[15:05] <arkin> just slightly concerning as the web/ssh services stop responding too
[15:05] <joelio> arkin: renice the process?
[15:06] <arkin> joelio I was considering this, will renice apply to any time npm install is used ? or do I have to run it with the nice command?
[15:06] <tomreyn> arkin: the latter
[15:07] <joelio> arkin: yea, if you want to do it before, use nice
[15:07] <arkin> a@b:~$ nice -n -5 npm install >>> nice: cannot set niceness: Permission denied
[15:07] <arkin> Is there no way to stop any process blocking the server? I'm more concerned that the entire thing locks up.
[15:07] <joelio> sudo
[15:08] <joelio> hang on though
[15:08] <joelio> you only need sudo when settign a privilege higher!
[15:08] <arkin> Yeah, thats what I read too
[15:10] <czbaker> Hmm, it seems that maybe I've been doing this wrong (tm) all along.
[15:10] <arkin> ---- just to add: 19 is the lowest priority and -20 is the highest priority. For priorities below 0 you need to be root (however there are exceptions possible). you can see in the system monitor the niceness of your program.
[15:10] <arkin> oops
[15:23] <tomreyn> arkin: your primary goal should be to determine why the process consumes that many cpu resources (review / adjust npm configuration to match its environment, identify and fix problems in application code using language specific / aware performance monitoring and debugging utilities) and (that's a separate issue and thus a research topic) why it is able to lock up the OS (check dmesg -T, syslog).
[15:24] <tomreyn> nice / renice is just a crude workaround, as is any containment (but it should help to prevent any impac ton the OS).
[15:25] <tomreyn> s/performance monitoring/profiling/
[15:26] <lapaga> hi all - although not that important but am curiouis...mate and gnome screensaver makes my keyboard not work but xscreensaver does not...any ideas?
[15:32] <joelio> tomreyn: true, but look how many things use nice/renice in practice :)
[15:33] <tomreyn> joelio: it's good to use it to set initial priorities, just not to fix or diagnose load issues.
[15:47] <sdfasff> I have tons of notifies that my battarey is charging. How to disable it?
[15:47] <mcm_> are packages allowed to modify files in /etc/skel ? e.g. /etc/skel/.profile from 'bash' package?
[16:15] <nacc> mcm_: how do you mean? of course they are
[16:15] <nacc> mcm_: but it depends on what you mean by 'modify', packages are what install the files in there
[16:16] <mcm_> i was thinking to create a patch file to add couple of additional like to /etc/skel/.profile from golang package
[16:16] <nacc> mcm_: i believe the only ubuntu package that touches that particular file is bash; although it's possible something could do odd stuff in postinst, etc.
[16:16] <mcm_> so that the default ~/go/bin gets added to PATH
[16:17] <FreezeS> Hi guys! I have a thing that's driving me crazy. Someone did something (don't know exactly what) on my Ubuntu 16.04.4 and now I can't print anymore via lpr. I can print from the gui, I can see al the printers but everytime I run lpr, it just gets added to the queue. lpd is running but lpq says "Warning: no daemon present". Any hints on what to check?
[16:17] <mcm_> nacc, thank you. will post the request to the golang package
[16:20] <nugroho> daemon = salmonidae
[16:38] <ubuntu> g
[16:39] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> ls
[16:39] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> hi
[16:40] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> df
[16:41] <beaver> du ~_~, KIRIUHA_RASBERRY stop that please
[16:41] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> b
[16:41] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> du
[16:41] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> quit
[16:41] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> my pony !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> Hello KIRIUHA_RASBERRY, Do you have an Ubuntu Support question? If so, please feel free to ask (please try to keep you message contained as one post) If you are looking for help in your native language, please see #ubuntu-ru
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> !ru | KIRIUHA_RASBERRY
[16:43] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> hi KIRIUHA_RASBERRY
[16:44] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> dg
[16:44] <beaver> !ops KIRIUHA_RASBERRY
[16:44] <beaver> !op KIRIUHA_RASBERRY
[16:45] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> list
[16:45] <tgm4883> beaver: I believe it's just the !ops
[16:45] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY>
[16:45] <beaver> ok sorry
[16:45] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
[16:45] <beaver> !ops
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> !list | KIRIUHA_RASBERRY
[16:46] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> \/\/\/\/\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\////\/\/\/\ nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:46] <beaver> thank you
[16:47] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> ty
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | KIRIUHA_RASBERRY
[16:47] <NoImNotNineVolt> KIRIUHA_RASBERRY: /quit
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> Tm_T: Please, again
[16:48] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> d
[16:48] <KIRIUHA_RASBERRY> del
[16:49] <tony_be_good> hello at all, I have a problem with my old version of ubuntu and the maxtor  external hard disk,
[16:49] <pragmaticenigma> tony_be_good: when you say old version, could you please provide more detail
[16:49] <compdoc> maxtor doesnt exist anymore as a company, does it?
[16:50] <NoImNotNineVolt> might still exist as a brand.
[16:50] <compdoc> dun thin so
[16:50] <NoImNotNineVolt> consolidation means lots of brands don't exist as companies anymore, but they still exist as brands :P
[16:50] <tony_be_good> yes is the name of the hard disk
[16:51] <tgm4883> !details | tony_be_good
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> compdoc: Please stay on topic, and not debate details that are irrelevant to the question
[16:52] <compdoc> no question yet, is there?
[16:53] <qwerty> hey pls help me in installing themes  in ubuntu
[16:54] <qwerty> i did everything , like installing the tweak tool, enbling shell extension bla bla
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> tony_be_good: Could you please respond with your actual question as well as answers to some of our questions?
[17:01] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | tony_be_good
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> tony_be_good: I do not accept direct messages, please communicate with us here
[17:03] <tony_be_good> I have ubuntu 11.04 and I can't update it, and I bought an external hard disk to copy all file on my laptop to install ubuntu 16.04
[17:03] <tony_be_good>  but I don't know why but my laptop can't read the external hard disk
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> What size is the external drive?
[17:03] <tony_be_good> 2tb
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> What is the CPU (processor) specifications of the computer?
[17:05] <nacc> tony_be_good: 11.04?? so ... years old and hasn't been updated in some time.
[17:05] <tony_be_good> it's a amd  turion 64 x2duak core 2.3ghz
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> tony_be_good: I suspect that the drive is formatted in NTFS, which if I recall, Ubuntu didn't natively support back then. You might have better luck partitioning part of the drive to either exFAT or EXT2, which Ubuntu should be able to read.
[17:09] <pragmaticenigma> tony_be_good: from there, Ubuntu should be able to see, read, and write to the drive
[17:11] <tony_be_good> thank you pragmaticenigma
[17:17] <mustmodify> What are the odds that node was recently upgraded on my machine by apt or some other non-me-initiated process?
[17:17] <mustmodify> I ask because suddenly my dev environment isn't right. I just restarted my box for the first time in forever. So I'm just ... guessing at this point.
[17:19] <Etrigan63> A question about AARCH64: will 18.04 run on Cavium systems? Hoping the price will come down in the future and getting one. 96 cores would be quite sweet.
[17:24] <de-facto> Can i recover data from NTFS via Gparted GUI?
[17:25] <qwefytuiityty> 96 ARM?
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: Gparted is not a data recovery tool
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> Etrigan63: Ubuntu is released for ARM archetectures
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> !arm | Etrigan63
[17:28] <de-facto> pragmaticenigma, what is Device > Attempt Data Rescue?
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: Is the drive readable by a computer?
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: or more specifically, what are you attempting to recover?
[17:33] <de-facto> pragmaticenigma, i have an ddrescue.img from a damaged hdd (NTFS),  wrote it via dd to an to an healthy ssd for attempting to rescue from it. Do you know which mechanism is behind that GUI option in Gparted?
[17:33] <EriC^^> de-facto: are you trying to mount it?
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: if I'm reading the documentation correctly, gparted attempts to mount the volume in readonly mode, beyond that I am not familiar with the tool
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: https://gparted.org/display-doc.php%3Fname%3Dhelp-manual#gparted-attempt-data-rescue
[17:35] <de-facto> EriC^^, i can mount the damaged NTFS on the SSD, but the directory in question does not appear in nautiful and "ls" gives me an error for it. So i assume i woudl have to use a rescue sw for it
[17:36] <EriC^^> de-facto: testdisk might be able to show the file if it's deleted
[17:37] <de-facto> its not been deleted, the HDD was failing, so my collegue took ddrescue to make an dd image from it
[17:38] <de-facto> so i guess some sectors were unable to be read out and filled with zeros eventually or such
[17:38] <EriC^^> maybe the filesystem got damaged, i'd try testdisk, if that fails there's photorec
[17:39] <de-facto> would testdisk be better for NTFS than photorec?
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: perhaps this site can help you out? https://www.technibble.com/guide-using-ddrescue-recover-data/
[17:39] <de-facto> is photorec for the uSD-Cards with FAT and photos on it?
[17:39] <EriC^^> they're different software by the same company, photorec looks for file headers, testdisk can recover files and dir structures and such
[17:46] <boril> Hello . W... Guysze
[17:47] <rootd00d> anyone here using fail2ban?
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | rootd00d
[17:48] <rootd00d> i enabled the systemd backend, but it's not logging anything there.
[17:48] <rootd00d> pragmaticenigma: don't even.
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> rootd00d: Then put everything on one line in the first place, instead punctuating with the enter key.
[17:50] <rootd00d> kill me already.
[17:50] <leftyfb> rootd00d: sudo journalctl -u fail2ban
[17:50] <rootd00d> leftyfb: ya, it only mentions service start/stops.
[17:51] <rootd00d> leftyfb: no "ban" action that might have happene.d
[17:51] <rootd00d> "Please don't ask to ask a question."   2) there are rules here for a reason.
[17:51] <SlidingHorn> don't berate people for asking you to follow them
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> rootd00d: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/335528
[17:52] <SlidingHorn> especially when they're helping you
[17:52] <rootd00d> pragmaticenigma: <3
[17:53] <rootd00d> pragmaticenigma: i've read that page several times already. it's pretty indirect, but even i was hopeful that maybe if i actually did it, it would work.
[17:54] <rootd00d> and i ain't exactly an optimist.
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> rootd00d: Is it currently setup with the default setting of logging to syslog? If you changed it to its own file, does it at least create the file?
[18:13] <tewedo> Hello everybody
[18:14] <tewedo> May I please ask for some assistance with a problem signing into Ubuntu SSO?
[18:20] <eshas> I want to use the ubuntu cloud image for 18.04 on KVM ppc64le. I have done following:wget https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/current/bionic-server-cloudimg-ppc64el.img
[18:20] <eshas> qemu-img convert -O raw bionic-server-cloudimg-ppc64el.img bionic-server-cloudimg-ppc64el.raw
[18:21] <eshas> how do I now create passwd, ssh to imag and use it then to boot?
[18:23] <nacc> eshas: you probably want #ubuntu-server and you may want to lern about cloud-init
[18:24] <eshas> ok
[18:31] <slingamn> i'm running ubuntu server on a laptop; i'm trying to find out how to control the screen idle setting (i'd like the screen to power off if there's no user input, in particular in the case where the system boots up and no one logs into the console)
[18:32] <nacc> slingamn: somethign like https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Power_Management_Signaling#DPMS_interaction_in_a_Linux_console_with_setterm ?
[18:33] <slingamn> yeah, but i don't know where to run setterm from
[18:33] <slingamn> there might never be a console session
[18:33] <slingamn> i feel like this should be handled by logind.conf(5) but i can't find the setting there
[18:34] <nacc> slingamn: you'd put it it in a systemd unit, i suppose, or an initscript
[18:34] <slingamn> i feel like if setterm is altering a specific terminal, then that's not going to affect the right terminal
[18:35] <Dillon> Hi anyone know xdotool command for restoring minimized window?
[18:37] <slingamn> this might be relevant: /sys/module/kernel/parameters/consoleblank
[18:38] <slingamn> ah and there's a consoleblank kernel command line parameter, according to this answer: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/32043
[18:38] <brainwash> Dillon: windowactivate
[18:38] <raub> How do you permanently create an interface for a vlan? "vconfig add ethX vlan55" does not seem to survive a reboot
[18:41] <leftyfb> raub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/vlan
[18:54] <arooni> is 4.13.0-36-generic a more recent kernel than 4.8 ?
[18:54] <arooni> i.e. does it go 4.8 4.9 4.10 etc
[18:54] <sxc> So, I'm trying to install ubuntu 16.04 on a laptop via usb, and it complains about hardware failure during the boot process, and then crashes. I tried both legacy and uefi modes, and secure boot is disabled. I've also tried re-flashing the image onto the usb stick. What exactly should I try next?
[18:55] <ioria> sxc, the exact error ? and how did you the stick ?
[18:56] <ioria> *do
[18:56] <kostkon> arooni, it is
[18:58] <sxc> There's an ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, followed by an ACPI Error with a table load failure. Following are two mce hardware errors concerning the tsc and processor.
[18:59] <sxc> That flashes on screen for about a second, and then it tries to boot normally, but fails.
[19:00] <ioria> sxc, ok, and you did the usb media with what sw ?
[19:00] <sxc> rufus on windows; I've confirmed that it works with other machines.
[19:01] <ioria> sxc, what version of ubu ? 18.04 ?
[19:01] <sxc> 16.04
[19:01] <ioria> sxc, you can try acpi=off  as parameter ; press F6 and select it from the main menu
[19:05] <raub> leftyfb: which is the docs I was using. I even created a /etc/modules-load.d/vlan.conf file and put "8021q" in it
[19:05] <backnforth> Hi, can someone help me get my Arma video game to use HDMI output for sound. When I select hdmi instead of the build-in audio nothing happens and I'm stuck with the build-in audio
[19:13] <skittishtrigger> Need some advice on more helpful vernacular to use in searching for a solution.  I have A zip file. In the zip file there is Japanese characters. I unzip and everything shows correct BUT when I copy the path (using elfinder) it shows % between all the characters.  What would I search for to find a solution to this or is it inherent to how ubuntu handles foriegn language file names?
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> skittishtrigger: what do you mean by "I unzip and everything shows correct" what are you doing to verify this?
[19:16] <skittishtrigger> I am checking listed file names inside of a ssh session using terminal characters to verify the filenames are intact.
[19:16] <skittishtrigger> are imgr sharex links permitted here for examples?
[19:17] <ioria> skittishtrigger, yes
[19:17] <dillonyoung> anyone know command to restore minimize windows? I need that command to configure easystroke I'm using ubuntu 18.04 gnome desktop
[19:17] <skittishtrigger> example filename in ssh: https://i.imgur.com/18dNSvs.png
[19:18] <skittishtrigger> example filename parsed as a link: https://i.imgur.com/NIAXibG.png
[19:18] <ioria> skittishtrigger, and ?
[19:19] <andras> dillonyoung: restore how? what is the problem?
[19:19] <comet23> i need nginx installs
[19:20] <mazarati199> hello any help offered here??
[19:20] <ioria> skittishtrigger, what you mean with 'parsed as a link' ?
[19:20] <kostkon> mazarati199, this is the channel for support yes
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> skittishtrigger: I think you're not giving us all the details of what you're attempting to do. Those two screen shots aren't even from the same terminal window
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | mazarati199
[19:21] <ioria> skittishtrigger, and what is this 'elfinder' ?   a file manager ?
[19:21] <pavlos> skittishtrigger: both terminal and the other app should be configured to accept UTF-8 chars
[19:22] <mazarati199> okay thanks so basically my friernd is telling me to go to join a chat in there should be boxes there to fill in saying server username password but when i click on it its says only channel and password what am i doing wrong ??
[19:22] <skittishtrigger> Hmm...I want the file names, as shown in the first image, to be displayed the same when accessing it via elfinder(A web based php ftp/file browser).  Both should use the default utf-8. I thought maybe I messed up the language pack installation
[19:23] <skittishtrigger> Or that it might be an issue with urls (Like if you were rewriting urls in wordpress)
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> skittishtrigger: elfinder is designed to convert characters to URL friendly values. Only the ASCII characters are valid as URLs
[19:23] <ioria> skittishtrigger, that is not an ubuntu pkg, i guess
[19:23] <skittishtrigger> I see, I was hoping I messed up the install. Thank you all very much for your time and your responses!
[19:23] <mazarati199> hello?
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | mazarati199
[19:24] <skittishtrigger> s/install/language pack
[19:24] <pavlos> mazarati199: you are on channel ubuntu (channels prefix with a #)
[19:25] <mazarati199> im a complete noob to this messenger
[19:25] <andras> mazarati199: why don't you change the name of the files?
[19:33] <dillonyoung> andras: I'm used to use easystroke gesture software a lot and for some reason the misc option is not available in my new os ubuntu. So I need to enter the command manually to configure my gesture to restore a minimized windows like unminimizing.
[19:34] <andras> dillonyoung: sorry, I don't know that software
[19:35] <dillonyoung> andras: I just need xdotool or wmctrl command for restoring minimized windows like getting the minimized window back
[19:39] <andras> dillonyoung: I know wmctrl a little but that's all.
[19:41] <SPF> I'm unable to update my Ubuntu, should I reinstall it?
[19:41] <dillonyoung> andras: its ok thanks for replay
[19:41] <talexb> I'm looking for libkadm55 in order to set up krb5 so that I can send E-Mail. Any suggestions on where this might be?
[19:43] <kostkon> SPF, what's the problem you are having exactly
[19:43] <SPF> kostkon: if I do apt-get update;apt-get upgrade, no new packages are installed
[19:43] <pavlos> SPF: sudo apt update does nothing?
[19:44] <kostkon> SPF, pastebin that output for us to see
[19:44] <SPF> I'm still at 16.04.3
[19:45] <SPF> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/p7gDkVrYn3/
[19:46] <kostkon> SPF, is this a normal installation
[19:46] <ioria> SPF, i'd paste also /etc/apt/sources.list ...
[19:48] <SPF> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/24rZSVhdTN/
[19:48] <SPF> kostkon: yes, normal laptop installation.
[19:48] <kostkon> SPF, almost everything is disabled. how?
[19:48] <ioria> SPF, no good
[19:49] <pavlos> there are 4 deb lines
[19:49] <kostkon> SPF, open your Software & Updates and reenable the repos
[19:49] <pavlos> main,restricted, universe, multiverse
[19:50] <empedokles78> join #python
[19:51] <SPF> kostkon: thanks, I now see a lot of updates
[19:51] <kostkon> SPF, is it more than 500mb or less
[19:52] <SPF> 369MB
[19:52] <kostkon> SPF, close enough
[19:52] <SPF> 384 packages
[19:54] <kostkon> SPF, better with apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade
[19:54] <kostkon> SPF, or it's too late now
[19:54] <ioria> with xenial , apt full-upgrade is ok
[19:54] <kostkon> ioria, or that yes
[19:55] <ioria> ^_^
[19:55] <SPF> kostkon: I guess it's too late now
[19:55] <kostkon> SPF, run apt-get dist-upgrade or apt full-upgrade afterwards anyway
[19:56] <SPF> kostkon: ok
[19:58] <elbobonut> Hello! Does anybody know if my Canonical Livepatch Service token can be left on Git, or if I should encrypt it? I'm writing an Ansible role for canonical-livepatch, and encrypting the key will take a bit more work!
[19:59] <elbobonut> I can't tell if it is a secure token, or just a consumer token!
[19:59] <tomreyn> consumer, i think
[20:00] <elbobonut> Yeah, auth.livepatch.canonical.com didn't tell me to secure it, so I guess it is not to worry...
[20:01] <sambux> ping
[20:02] <leftyfb> sambux: can we help you with something?
[20:02] <sambux> Does anyone know why moving files in a smb mounted dir starts copying instead of moving?
[20:02] <leftyfb> sambux: because it's an external filesystem
[20:03] <elbobonut> Doesn't it copy and then remove it?
[20:03] <leftyfb> sambux: dragging and dropping between different filesystems will copy, not move by default
[20:03] <sambux> leftyfb: Why doesn't that happen when mapping the dir from a windows machine?
[20:04] <sambux> leftyfb: Not between, I mean inside the same dir
[20:04] <leftyfb> sambux: please explain again
[20:05] <leftyfb> sambux: you need to clarify what works in what situation on what OS and what filesystem
[20:05] <sambux> I have a smb mounted drive with directories containing gigabytes of data. When I want to restructure the directories it starts to copy the file not move it
[20:05] <matjam> sambux: have you tried using the shell
[20:05] <leftyfb> sambux: test with a smaller test file. See if it deletes after it copies
[20:06] <leftyfb> also that ^
[20:07] <sambux> Yes it deletes it. The "move" is done but instead of taking 1 sec it takes minutes. It first copys then deletes
[20:07] <leftyfb> ok
[20:07] <sambux> When I try same thing from a windows machine it just moves without copying
[20:07] <leftyfb> we don't support Windows here
[20:08] <sambux> BTW, it doesn't take minutes it takes hours since I'm on a slow wireless
[20:08] <leftyfb> sambux: that's how nautilus moves. It deletes then copies
[20:08] <leftyfb> sambux: try the commandline
[20:09] <SPF> kostkon: upgrade completed successfully, now at 16.04.4
[20:09] <SPF> thanks!
[20:09] <sambux> I can try with commandline but to me it sounds like a low level problem
[20:09] <kostkon> SPF, wait. you've got to reboot now (and pray)
[20:09] <xamithan> Is the share coming from the windows computer ?
[20:09] <SPF> oh...
[20:09] <kostkon> SPF, then call it successful
[20:09] <xamithan> Samba has no way to do server copy.  it has to take the file through to whatever computer you are working on
[20:10] <sambux> xamithan: no from a Synology NAS (linux)
[20:10] <matjam> mv in a shell should work as you expect
[20:10] <SPF> kostkon: reboot successfull
[20:10] <sambux> xamithan: Shouldn't just the TOC be modified when moving files? Why is it copying?
[20:10] <pavlos> SPF: sudo apt autoremove to clean up
[20:10] <matjam> as long as the mv does not cross underlying filesystem boundaries
[20:10] <kostkon> SPF, good job
[20:11] <matjam> don't forget, your filesystem share could have multiple physical volumes underneath
[20:11] <sambux> matjam: Ok so the problem is the GUI you mean?
[20:11] <SPF> 4.4.0-124-generic
[20:11] <matjam> most likely
[20:11] <plagerism1> Are there any issues installing 16.04 on a Dell server with a bcm5709 ?  I for the life of me can't get a nice recognized
[20:11] <kostkon> SPF, oh you aren't on hwe. you know about that?
[20:12] <SPF> kostkon: what's hwe?
[20:12] <kostkon> !hwe | SPF
[20:14] <canalzone> Hello. I have a question about the date and time format in the top bar.
[20:14] <leftyfb> !ask | canalzone
[20:14] <sambux> Thanks!
[20:15] <canalzone> Now that I've got your attention, please somebody explain me why it doesn't use the long date-time format from the locale.
[20:15] <xamithan> sambux: You'd have to ask whoever devs for samba,  this might be helpful though: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Server-Side_Copy
[20:15] <canalzone> It uses its own format, which cannot be changed in gnome-tweaks or dconf, which is just ridiculous for many locales.
[20:15] <xamithan> Windows has support for that stuff,  linux doesn't
[20:16] <sambux> xamithan: thanks
[20:16] <SPF> kostkon: I'll think about it. My system works fine. I always say don't try fix things that aren't broken
[20:16] <sambux> xamithan: It seems to work from cmdline
[20:16] <canalzone> I want to use the only sane datetime format, ISO 8601, but I'm stuck with crap like "Wed May 9, 15:16:44"
[20:17] <sambux> xamithan: Just moved 2GB in under a second
[20:17] <canalzone> And it cannot be fixed by tweaking the locale.
[20:17] <kostkon> SPF, fair enough. it's there if you ever need it, like adding/connecting newer hardware on your computer
[20:17] <SlidingHorn> canalzone: what version & flavor OS are you using?
[20:17] <canalzone> SlidingHorn: Ubuntu 18.04.
[20:18] <pavlos> canalzone: install gnome-tweak to make your life easier
[20:18] <SPF> kostkon: I understand, I'll think about it in case I need it
[20:18] <canalzone> pavlos: please read my messages again before making comments.
[20:19] <canalzone> Also the calendar doesn't respect the first day of the month of the locale. It's probably hard-coded to Monday.
[20:19] <canalzone> But that's a non-issue for me, rather than the ridiculous hard-coded date format.
[20:19] <canalzone> Or maybe there is some configuration except dconf and gnome-tweaks which I'm not aware of.
[20:25] <pragmaticenigma> canalzone: You aren't alone in the annoyance. Gnome Devs strive to make things easy, by not including the ability to customize each small facet of their application. It is customizable, but I cannot find any clear cut, 100% foolproof way to adjust/change the format, without risk to breaking something else.
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> canalzone: This support response might help you get going in the right direction: https://askubuntu.com/a/968955
[20:29] <tomreyn> plagerism1: on a side note, there's also #ubuntu-server for server related questions.
[20:29] <SlidingHorn> canalzone: in addition to what pragmaticenigma stated, this isn't a linux-specific issue, but a gnome-specific one.  For instance, running i3wm & i3blocks, I have a yyyy-mm-dd format - Not sure how to accomplish it in gnome, though.  I haven't used it in years
[20:29] <plagerism1> Tomreyn: thanks
[20:29] <tomreyn> plagerism1: is the bnx2 module loaded? are some NICs recognized but not others?
[20:30] <plagerism1> Tomreyn: modprobe bnx2 says the module is not available
[20:30] <canalzone> SlidingHorn: this is an issue in probably the only officially sanctioned distribution of Ubuntu. I believe this is an Ubuntu issue, especially since the switch from Unity.
[20:30] <canalzone> pragmaticenigma: thank you very much!
[20:30] <tomreyn> plagerism1: hmm maybe that's oputdated information i have there
[20:30] <SlidingHorn> canalzone: there are several officially sanctioned versions that don't use gnome....xubuntu, lubuntu, etc
[20:31] <tgm4883> SlidingHorn: can we stay on  topic?
[20:31] <canalzone> The clock override seems like a fantastic extension, I'll try that one.
[20:31] <plagerism1> Tomreyn: I will pose the question in ubuntu-server
[20:31] <tomreyn> plagerism1: hmm no, not outdated, my 16.04.4 tells me it exists when i run "modinfo bnx2"
[20:31] <tomreyn> sure, we can talk there
[20:32] <SlidingHorn> tgm4883: not sure how that was off topic, as I'm clarifying about a question they had which was an Ubuntu support question, but whatever.
[20:33] <tgm4883> SlidingHorn: maybe I missed it, but I didn't see where canalzone specified it was anything else but a Gnome issue. Nothing really to clarify IMO
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> canalzone: That would be on the assumption that Ubuntu developed Gnome, which they don't. Canoncial merely glues together different projects to create an ecosystem and operating system. They contribute to projects, but those projects have the final say in whether the contribution is accepted or not. Gnome is really were the decision on the format was made. Not Ubuntu.
[20:35] <ELFrederich> so I try editing /etc/hosts for local development but I can't seem to get it to work.  I put <IP_ADDRESS>    localhost myapp.com
[20:35] <ELFrederich> but when I go to myapp.com it brings me somewhere else
[20:35] <ELFrederich> if I put wtf123abc.com on there then I get a DNS resolve error on both FireFox and Chrome.  Are they not looking at /etc/hosts ?
[20:35] <blackflow> ELFrederich: try <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | ELFrederich
[20:35] <ELFrederich> blackflow, that's what I meant.  I added myapp.com to the same line that was already there with <IP_ADDRESS>   localhost
[20:36] <blackflow> ELFrederich: have you visited myapp.com before that, does it have a public IP? Browsers tend to cache those, Firefox especially is very nasty with the caching.
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> ELFrederich: Did you try myapp.com prior to adding the entry to the host file?
[20:36] <ELFrederich> pragmaticenigma, I don't think so
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> ELFrederich: in the command line, if you ping myapp.com, what does it respond with?
[20:37] <ELFrederich> pragmaticenigma, PING myapp.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[20:37] <ber4444> upgraded a macbook to 18.04, now cannot boot, help please -  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033821/
[20:38] <ELFrederich> pragmaticenigma, sorry... I removed it, with it in there I get this:  PING localhost (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[20:38] <pragmaticenigma> ELFrederich: So it is working, however your browser my not be reading it. What browser are you using?
[20:38] <ELFrederich> pragmaticenigma, I just tried a wget and saw it was going through proxy
[20:38] <ELFrederich> pragmaticenigma, I will add myapp.com to NO_PROXY
[20:38] <ELFrederich> and give that a try
[20:41] <canalzone> pragmaticenigma: the extension is just perfect. Thank you very much again.
[20:42] <pragmaticenigma> canalzone: glad it worked for you... I'll add it to my notes
[20:45] <CyberGabber> exit
[20:49] <puxavida> ber4444, do you have macos on there too - what do you see pressing option/alt key?  What about installing refind on the macos side?
[20:50] <puxavida> on boot
[20:50] <ber4444> @puxavida I can see the Ubuntu vs OS X selection menu but selecting Ubuntu, cannot properly boot into anything else than recovery
[20:52] <ber4444> going to try fixing it with a usb stick, I already tried other tips from askubuntu
[20:54] <puxavida> ok
[21:22] <Eprevodilac> Hey, was wondering if I could get some help with pcf font usage?
[21:25] <xamithan> What does that mean
[21:25] <slingamn> does the installer for 18.04 server not provide an option to encrypt the disk?
[21:26] <slingamn> https://askubuntu.com/a/1030555 yeah, looks like i need the alternate installer
[21:27] <compdoc> slingamn, I thought it did. but it has to be lvd
[21:35] <Eprevodilac> mb
[21:35] <Eprevodilac> trying to get pcf fonts to work in terminal
[21:36] <Eprevodilac> i can use bcf bitmap fonts fine
[21:36] <Eprevodilac> i have the pcf files in /usr/share/fonts/misc
[21:37] <Eprevodilac> they show up as an option, but it's just some generic sans font when I choose it and not the actual font
[21:41] <jarnos> encrypted swap does not work after I upgraded to 16.04.
[21:46] <RSpliet> On Ubuntu 16.04: when I try to print from e.g. Firefox I get a list of network printers to choose from. When pressing the print button in Gnome dia on the other hand, the list is either completely empty or selecting a printer leads to a program crash. The list in the Gnome printer settings is empty too... how come I can print from some applications, but not others (something something GTK2 vs. GTK3 print libs perhaps?)? And how do
[21:46] <RSpliet> lve this problem?
[22:05] <solsTiCe> hi. what is the software that ask me my ssh password on ubuntu ? I mean on the command there is ssh-agent. But in gnome-shell ? It misbehave and ask me my password twice
[22:06] <xamithan> You mean the gnome keyring ?
[22:39] <wingspanner>  #shacklab
[22:40] <SoundTrack78> Greetings, friends!
[22:40] <xamithan> This is support,  not offtopic soundtrack
[22:52] <mattfly> hello
[22:52] <mattfly> ubuntu 18.04 is fine it just doenst hibernate
[22:54] <mattfly> how can a OS in 2018 be completly unable of doing hibernation?
[22:54] <Two_Dogs> voodoo?
[22:54] <xamithan> Did you install and enable the hibernate ?
[22:55] <Two_Dogs> mattfly: missing swap partition?
[22:55] <mattfly> okay so let me tell the story
[22:55] <xamithan> It isn't enabled by default because a lot of machines don't support it
[22:56] <mattfly> well whatever: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/667833
[22:56] <mattfly> since beta is the same issue
[22:56] <mattfly> So i have that machine describled there and by default ubuntu comes with a way too small swap file for 16 gb of ram i usually have almost filled to save on the hibernation partition
[22:57] <mattfly> then i created a new swap file, added it to fstab, updated the initramfs and when i run s2disk two things happen
[22:57] <xamithan> If you already got a bug report no one in here is going to be able to help
[22:58] <mattfly> i dont know if its a bug
[22:58] <gogeta> mattfly, it make no diffrence if you almost fill swap thats why its called swap
[22:58] <mattfly> i dont know what to report in case it is or how no one else havent expecting it, i dont know if im the only person trying to hibernate ubuntu when having more than 2gb of swap...
[22:59] <mattfly> gogeta what i meant is that ubuntu comes with a way to small swap
[22:59] <mattfly> what is filled is my 16gb long ram
[22:59] <gogeta> mattfly, you can go back to a swappartation
[22:59] <mattfly> yes ive done that
[22:59] <mattfly> i have the exact same issue when trying with a large swap file
[23:00] <gogeta> mattfly, if you make a swap part you dont need a swapfile
[23:00] <kostkon> mattfly, also be aware of bug  #1743094
[23:00] <mattfly> when i run s2disk the snapshooting system message pops then the computer seems to turn off, then it comes back completly frost with the s2disk snapshooting system message and the only way is alt+printscreen REISUB or the power buttton
[23:01] <mattfly> thats not my problem
[23:01] <mattfly> im on bionic and have tried newer kernels as well
[23:02] <mattfly> swapon -s
[23:02] <mattfly> Filename                                Type            Size    Used    Priority
[23:02] <mattfly> /swapfile                               file            16777212        0       -2
[23:02] <gogeta> mattfly, did you run swawpoff first
[23:02] <gogeta> mattfly, then make your new swapfile
[23:02] <gogeta> mattfly, then swapon
[23:02] <mattfly> yes this been since 2 monhs
[23:02] <mattfly> ive rebooted and so on
[23:02] <mattfly> since 1 month
[23:03] <gogeta> mattfly, isnt that 16gb
[23:04] <mattfly> maybe i need to understand whats keeping s2disk from proceding or whats going on
[23:04] <mattfly> how can i ged some verbose from this thing or save to file since a reboot will be needed after it freezes?
[23:05] <mattfly> yes a 16 gb swapfile
[23:05] <mattfly> well about that, im surelly not using more ram than that when i try to hibernate
[23:06] <gogeta> mattfly, well you need dont need that mutch swap
[23:06] <mattfly> thats surelly not the problem
[23:06] <gogeta> relly dont need
[23:07] <mattfly> Im trying to get a problem solved which is probrably something im missing to make hibernation works
[23:07] <gogeta> mattfly, 16gb is overkill
[23:07] <mattfly> what would make s2disk freezes ?
[23:07] <gogeta> mattfly, hibernate may be broken itsself
[23:07] <mattfly> what if i have 32 gb of ram and im using 20 gb and want to hibernate?
[23:07] <Two_Dogs> mattfly: syslog should contain something worth reading
[23:07] <mattfly> it is not possi?
[23:08] <tyzoid> mmattfly: IIRC then you'll need at least that much swap
[23:08] <mattfly> exactly!
[23:08] <gogeta> mattfly, lol you trying to hibernate a game
[23:08] <tyzoid> gogeta: Sounds like a bunch of linux vms to me.
[23:08] <mattfly> no im trying to find out some sense and t o prove that having a big swap is not my problem
[23:08] <tyzoid> Or one windows vm
[23:09] <gogeta> mattfly, i did say the problem may be with hibernate itself
[23:09] <mattfly> with s2disk?
[23:09] <Two_Dogs> mattfly: what kernel is active?
[23:10] <gogeta> mattfly, does you system behave normaly when you dont hibernate
[23:10] <mattfly> $ uname -r
[23:10] <mattfly> 4.15.0-20-generic
[23:10] <mattfly> the system is perfect, just hibernate is not working
[23:10] <mattfly> hibernationg worked on 17.10 btw
[23:11] <Two_Dogs> mattfly: has that kernel had any bugs reported specific to hibernation?
[23:11] <nacc> mattfly: then file a bug?
[23:11] <mattfly> i have the sensation that you need a to make a swap big enough while installing ubuntu, which means that im missing something when trying to hibernate on this one
[23:11] <gogeta> mattfly, if you make a swap partation no swapfile is made
[23:11] <mattfly> like some grub entry, something s2disk, probrably has a bug or would behave like this
[23:12] <gogeta> mattfly, so you can make a 16gb swap part
[23:13] <nacc> mattfly: afaik, running s2disk manually is not recommended