[00:00] <knome> hmmm... have you googled that error? i've never seen that
[00:00] <br1> yes
[00:01] <br1> the guide worked just fine, i could get installed the driver i downloaded but theres no mention f this
[00:01] <knome> can you get into the gdm login screen at all?
[00:02] <br1> no, monitor go black and i have to press Ctrl Alt F1
[00:02] <br1> to get console
[00:02] <knome> right...
[00:02] <br1> and then i tried that
[00:02] <br1> maybe i got the wrong driver :S
[00:02] <knome> looks like the driver just isn't working with your card
[00:03] <knome> what's your card?
[00:03] <br1> but i dont think so
[00:03] <br1> and oldie, Nvidia Geforce2 Mx 400
[00:03] <knome> hmm.
[00:03] <knome> might be that not working with the driver
[00:04] <knome> do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf now?
[00:04] <br1> its so old that video doesnt work properly with the generic driver
[00:04] <br1> aparently yes, but i cant access it
[00:04] <knome> with sudo, you should be
[00:04] <knome> 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[00:05] <br1> let me see, i have both computers side by side
[00:07] <br1> yay
[00:07] <br1> xorg in on
[00:07] <ElderDryas> The 96.43.xx driver supports the following set of GPUs: GeForce2 MX/MX 400
[00:08] <br1> yes, i downloaded the 96.43.20
[00:08] <br1> installation went without troubles
[00:08] <knome> br1, there should be a device section with the card information. comment that out (add # to the start of the lines), and try rebooting
[00:08] <br1> but after reboot i got the problem
[00:09] <knome> br1, that should make you able to log in, at least...
[00:11] <br1> i found that section
[00:11] <br1> section "Device"
[00:11] <knome> ok, now add # to every line until endsection
[00:12] <br1> before every line? example #Driver               "nvidia"
[00:12] <knome> yep
[00:12] <br1> 1sec
[00:12] <knome> that should make the boot use the generic driver, and you should be able to log in
[00:12] <knome> (graphically)
[00:13] <br1> how do i save changes?
[00:13] <knome> ctrl+O, then ctrl+X to exit
[00:14] <knome> (you might need to hit enter after ctrl+O :))
[00:14] <br1> rebooting
[00:17] <br1> nope, blank monitor :(
[00:17] <knome> hmmh :/
[00:17] <br1> hate this old video card :P
[00:18] <br1> always gave me trouble
[00:18] <knome> they can be problematic, yeah
[00:19] <br1> i think i'll start over
[00:19] <br1> do u happen to know a step by step guide on installing video card driver on xubuntu?
[00:19] <knome> !nvidia
[00:20] <br1> thank you, ill try that way
[00:21] <knome> np, and good luck
[00:21] <br1> you too
[00:21] <br1> c ya
[01:08] <sandra_> G'day my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[01:09] <sandra_> I trust you all are doing well .
[01:09] <sandra_> I am new to Xubuntu and too linux and I hope someone can be kind enough to help me.
[01:10] <sandra_> My son just installed Xubuntu on my laptop . I followed the instructions he left for updating my new OS .
[01:10] <sandra_> But unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the Oneiric repositories
[01:11] <sandra_> Is it me or anyone else experiencing problems connecting to the oneiric repositories ?
[01:11] <zenrox> oneiric??
[01:12] <sandra_> zenrox: yes oneiric
[01:12] <zenrox> hmm
[01:12] <zenrox> let me look it up
[01:12] <sandra_> I attempt to update but I can't at this time.
[01:12] <sandra_> zenrox: Thank you
[01:13] <zenrox> ok
[01:13] <zenrox> there repos might be down
[01:13] <zenrox> or something else
[01:14] <zenrox> i havnt even updated to that os yet
[01:14] <zenrox> i am still useing 11.04
[01:14] <zenrox> your useing 11.10
[01:14] <zenrox> that is not even released
[01:14] <zenrox> yet
[01:15] <sandra_> zenrox: My son installed it on my HP Laptop
[01:15] <zenrox> he should of installed a stable ver not a devel ver
[01:15] <zenrox> slap your son
[01:15] <zenrox> lol
[01:15] <sandra_> zenrox: hahaha
[01:16] <zenrox> its his bad
[01:16] <zenrox> but it is ok
[01:16] <zenrox> go to your menu system and look for update manager
[01:16] <sandra_> zenrox: Well I do have to say it sure is different from windows.
[01:16] <zenrox> yep
[01:17] <Unit193> At this late in the cycle, not a whole lot is going to change
[01:17] <zenrox> still
[01:18] <sandra_> zenrox: I did go to my update manager but it's a no go so far.
[01:19] <zenrox> you do a check
[01:20] <zenrox> if it fails type the error here
[01:20] <sandra_> Yes I checked that is why I asked if anyone else was having problems along these lines too .
[01:21] <zenrox> hmm
[01:22] <sandra_> But it seems I'm the only one currently using Xubuntu Oneiric on this channel lol
[01:22] <zenrox> i am gona update to it
[01:22] <zenrox> right now
[01:23] <zenrox> now that i have a stable inet i can run a devel os
[01:24] <zenrox> i have bine with ubuntu from the first version that was released long time ago
[01:25] <sandra_> I have heard a lot of positive things about Ubuntu.
[01:27] <zenrox> ubuntu just plain works
[01:28] <sandra_> zenrox: What slice of the globe do you call home ?
[01:28] <zenrox> some ove the other ver of linux out thare all are getting to the point whare ubuntu is
[01:28] <zenrox> washington state
[01:29] <sandra_> zenrox: wow I'm from washington state too.
[01:29] <sandra_> what a coincidence
[01:30] <zenrox> whare at
[01:30] <sandra_> what part of washington state are you from ?
[01:30] <zenrox> moses lake area
[01:31] <sandra_> I'm from Olympia
[01:32] <zenrox> so your in a big city you should fine a lug (linux users group)
[01:32] <zenrox> find
[01:34] <sandra_> will look into that I might try Linuxmint too been reading about it too.
[01:36] <zenrox> linuxmint is nice too but has its own qwerks
[01:38] <sandra_> what kind of qwerks would those be ?
[01:38] <zenrox> thats upto the hardware and config
[01:38] <zenrox> my network card was harder to get worken
[01:43] <sandra_> But isn't Linuxmint like Xubuntu based on Ubuntu ?
[01:44] <sandra_> I just assumed the drivers would be the same.
[01:48] <zenrox> not necarly
[01:48] <zenrox> but essently the same
[02:11] <uofm49426> can i still use bttv in xubuntu 10.10
[02:12] <zenrox> you mean 11.10?
[02:12] <sandra_> Any chance anyone else here among my fellow Xubuntu inmates is having troubles connecting to oneiric repositories for updates ?
[02:13] <zenrox> sandra i dont think you can connect is cause the repos are overloaded
[02:13] <zenrox> i am d/l from them right at the moment
[02:14] <sandra_> wow I wonder why and what would cause that ?
[02:14] <zenrox> ppl upgrading/getting updates just the repos or being over used
[02:15] <zenrox> just wate 24hrs and it should be fine
[02:15] <zenrox> brb ciggy break
[02:23] <zenrox> ok back
[02:23] <sandra_> I suppose I could try reloading Xubuntu Oneiric and see if my connections iron out.
[02:23] <zenrox> shouldent have to do that
[02:24] <zenrox> the repos get over loaded from about now till 30 days after releace
[02:26] <sandra_> I shall return , tc everyone
[02:26] <sandra_> zenrox, Nice meeting you
[02:51] <XubuntuKris> Someone ping me.
[02:58] <zenrox> pinged
[03:01] <zenrox> XubuntuKris, you were pinged
[03:01] <zenrox> * Ping reply from XubuntuKris: 0.36 second(s)
[03:04] <XubuntuKris> I'm talking about simply using my nick in channel...
[03:05] <XubuntuKris> xchat isn't making any sounds anymore.
[03:06] <zenrox> turn them back on??
[03:06] <XubuntuKris> I did, still doesn't work
[03:07] <XubuntuKris> I did look under <settings>advanced>text events
[03:07] <XubuntuKris> and found that my "beep" event has nothing listed...
[03:07] <XubuntuKris> It's the only one with nothing listed
[03:08] <XubuntuKris> the rest have things like "%C21*%O$t%C21%B$1%O%C21 $2"
[05:02] <DominosPizza> Hello.  Will Xubuntu try and force a GUI nobody likes on it's users like Ubuntu in later releases ?
[05:06] <zenrox> NOPE
[05:06] <zenrox> just xfce is all it will force on its users
[05:07] <DominosPizza> otay.. Next question.. to LTS or not to LTS? Would I really be missing out in some 'latest mumbo jumbo' ?
[05:08] <zenrox> naw you can keep uptodate with latest realices all you want
[05:08] <zenrox> lts is just one that thay will support longer
[05:08] <DominosPizza> Well, I just didn't want to be bothered with distro upgrades that might go wrong for longer.
[05:08] <zenrox> i am dist upgrading right now
[05:09] <zenrox> i ant never had a prob i couldent fix
[05:09] <DominosPizza> I see.
[05:09] <zenrox> but eatch to there own
[05:10] <zenrox> i just keep up with the realices
[05:10] <zenrox> since the beginning of ubuntu warty worthog
[05:11] <DominosPizza> I'm just looking to get off of XP.
[05:11] <DominosPizza> since this machine wont be used as a gaming machine anymore.
[05:11] <zenrox> ubuntu/xubuntu/lbuntu all good for that
[05:11] <zenrox> ubuntu not somuch
[05:12] <m6locks> lubuntu a very good replacement
[05:12] <m6locks> boots in seconds
[05:13] <DominosPizza> lxde?
[05:13] <m6locks> lubuntu comes with it, yes
[05:13] <DominosPizza> a little TOO min.. I think..
[05:14] <DominosPizza> although it ran good on a pentium2
[05:15] <DominosPizza> Anyway, I'm trying to figure out what is going to be new and greatest in the latest release and upcoming release vs the LTS ?
[05:15] <DominosPizza> is there really anything I would want in the latest editions vs the older LTS?
[05:18] <DominosPizza> BTW: Lubuntu is now an offically supported OS ?
[05:18] <DominosPizza> like Xubuntu/Kubuntu ?
[05:19] <gr8m8> !lubuntu
[05:20] <m6locks> at least they keep releasing versions with the same development cycle
[05:20] <DominosPizza> I thought they wasn't part of the offical support group? *Shrug* I guess times changed.
[05:21] <gr8m8> what is it with these ppl that turn up with adds for nicks?
[05:21] <m6locks> lubuntu wasnt mentioned in the release notes, so I guess its not official
[05:22] <gr8m8> it has it's own wiki on ubuntu.com ...
[05:22] <DominosPizza> .
[05:22] <gr8m8> and a bot command
[05:23] <m6locks> aye, but it still does not make it official, it
[05:23] <m6locks> s just features
[05:23] <m6locks> -s+d
[05:23] <m6locks> gdamn
[05:23] <gr8m8> heh ;)
[05:24] <DominosPizza> Seems lubuntu only comes in 32bit, not that that matters for this machine.
[05:33] <DominosPizza> "Lubuntu 11.10 will be the first version of Lubuntu that has official sanction as a member of the Ubuntu family." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu
[05:36] <gr8m8> what is it with these ppl that turn up with adds for nicks?
[05:39] <DominosPizza> ((12:22:10:am)) <gr8m8> what is it with these ppl that turn up with adds for nicks?((12:37:24:am)) <gr8m8> what is it with these ppl that turn up with adds for nicks?
[07:18] <anandvenkat4> Is there any way to differentiate between the ethernet, ppp and pptp interface in linux?
[07:26] <Shirakawasuna> they should have entirely separate interfaces
[07:26] <Shirakawasuna> ifconfig -a (assuming all modules are properly loaded)
[07:28] <anandvenkat4> I know, but what is the distiguishing factor between these? Any flags set internally?
[07:29] <anandvenkat4> Shirakawwasuna: I need to differentiate them programatically
[13:18] <DrumNBass> http://www.livestream.com/runapc
[13:27] <Algorithm> Hey guys can anyone help me?
[13:28] <Algorithm> i have a problem with xubuntu
[13:53] <mrdoctorwho> Hello. Who i can ask about beta xubuntu?
[13:55] <DanielSenat> Abiword makes a space that gets bigger some times after a table.. I reduce the space, but it comes back when i open the doc
[13:55] <DanielSenat> Why??
[14:05] <patrice> hi
[14:05] <patrice> i installed a mod of a game, and i can't unistall it
[14:05] <patrice> anyone can help me?
[14:07] <m6locks> rm -rf does not work?
[14:07] <patrice> you mean to remove the folder?
[14:07] <m6locks> aye
[14:07] <m6locks> not sure which other directories the installer has created
[14:08] <m6locks> or fiels modified
[14:08] <patrice> i removed the folder already, but when i try to reinstall it, it says that it is already installed
[14:08] <m6locks> oh ok
[14:08] <m6locks> you might need to google what the installer does
[14:08] <patrice> it's a .run
[14:09] <m6locks> doesn't ring a bell
[14:09] <genii-around> What does: file installer-filename.run      say?
[14:10] <patrice> it says that it's already installed
[14:11] <patrice> but i removed the folder
[14:11] <genii-around> Thats not a result that command would give. It would say something like POSIX shell script, or ELF 64 bit executable, or so on like that
[14:12] <patrice> how can i have that?
[14:13] <genii-around> patrice: The idea here is to find out if the .run file you installed from is some binary file or a shell script. If it's a shell script, you can open it with a text editor and find out what it did when you ran it
[14:13] <patrice> true.combat.elite_0.49b-english-2.run
[14:14] <patrice> POSIX shell script text executable
[14:14] <patrice> it says that
[14:14] <patrice> sorry, i'm noob under linux
[14:15] <patrice> POSIX shell script text executable
[14:15] <mrdoctorwho> patrice: chmod a+x name
[14:15] <genii-around> patrice: cat true.combat.elite_0.49b-english-2.run | pastebinit                and then give us the URL please
[14:16] <patrice> pastebinit is not installed
[14:17] <genii-around> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && cat true.combat.elite_0.49b-english-2.run | pastebinit
[14:23] <genii-around> Kids these days, no patience.
[14:23]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[16:56] <xenoxaos> if i want to install 11.10 early from beta2 will there be any issues upgrading to stable?
[16:57] <charlie-tca> No, there should not be. As long as you are updating it daily until the release. At the time of release, you will be at the same final release image level.
[16:58] <xenoxaos> thats what i was figuring...
[16:59] <xenoxaos> i know this will be a biased question.....gnome has been irking me lately, should i switch to kde or xfce?
[17:00] <ElderDryas> xenoxaos: imo,  xfce is more like gnome than kde...but both are quality DE's...it's a matter of taste
[17:01] <ElderDryas> grab the liveCD/USB's and see.  In my experience, you'll be able to choose in 5 minutes :)
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Um, I would guess if asked here, Xubuntu is the obvious answer. It is w-a-y better then Kubuntu from my perspective ;)
[17:02] <charlie-tca> ElderDryas: I agree with that
[17:02] <ElderDryas> Well, it's obvious to a casual observer, but I was trying not to be biased :)
[17:03] <charlie-tca> Your answer is probably better than mine today. I like giving the user the livecd option
[17:03] <Unit193> Kubuntu is much more flashy, while Xubuntu is lighter and gets out of your way
[17:04] <Unit193> Note, I have used both and would recommend both depending on answers to questions
[17:05] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: And with a USB option (as is built into 'buntu), it's easy and cheap to test them.
[17:05] <charlie-tca> a-hem... I guess if you have a machine that boots from USB, a-hem
[17:06] <ElderDryas> Doesn't everybody?
[17:06] <charlie-tca> I seldom think of USB since my machines are a bit older :)
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Out of 5 computers, I think one does boot from usb now
[17:07]  * charlie-tca burns through between 200 and 300 cd-r's every release cycle
[17:08] <ElderDryas> I have been looking at distros for the past six months (does that coincide with anything?), and have gotten to the point that I won't even look at a (minor) distro that won't work with unetbootin
[17:09]  * ElderDryas thinks that's because charlie-tca just likes the whirly sound of the disks spinning
[17:09] <charlie-tca> heh
[17:09] <charlie-tca> That might be too
[17:10] <xenoxaos> charlie-tca, you may look into getting a u3 flash drive and using u3-tool to replace the cd image on the drive...the computer thinks its a cd and will boot off of it like a cd
[17:10] <ElderDryas> or a new computer
[17:11] <charlie-tca> I picked up a new computer this summer. It was U.S. 10 dollars at the yard sale
[17:11] <charlie-tca> xenoxaos: u3 flash drive?
[17:11] <charlie-tca> I will investigate that
[17:11] <ElderDryas> charlie-tca: Tell you what, you convince my wife to let me get a new computer and I'll GIVE you my old laptop :)
[17:12] <xenoxaos> essentially it partitions the drive into two different usb devices, a flash drive and a cd drive
[17:13] <charlie-tca> I got one of them "old laptop" things now
[17:13] <charlie-tca> can't be more than ?? years old, too. Even mostly works when I plug it in.
[17:13] <ElderDryas> Old laptop == what I'm using now
[17:14] <charlie-tca> hm, I guess that would be more towards 'new' here, if it boots from usb
[17:14] <charlie-tca> Well, got to go feed the baby... bbl
[17:14] <ElderDryas> ttfn
[18:47] <antonio_> ei
[18:48] <antonio_> qualcuno in italiano?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> !it
[18:49] <charlie-tca> oh, missed the 30 second response time
[18:51] <zenrox> oh well
[20:29] <christina_> will the rc be released tomorrow?
[23:01] <WADS> Will the LTS switch to a later supported firefox when Mozilla axes FireFox3 ?


[09:15] <Kendos-Kenlen> Hi !
[09:15] <Kendos-Kenlen> After how  much time a package is deleted from a PPA? I keep seeing my package listed despite requesting the deletion almost a month ago... :/
[09:26] <cjwatson> Kendos-Kenlen: Can you give us a link?
[09:27] <Kendos-Kenlen> Yes, here is the PPA : https://launchpad.net/~baro.app/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[09:27] <cjwatson> I forget the exact timings but it shouldn't take more than six hours.
[09:27] <cjwatson> Kendos-Kenlen: OK, which package and version are you referring to?
[09:27] <Kendos-Kenlen> I still can see the old package by going in "View package details" and selecting "Any Status" in the list.
[09:27] <cjwatson> Kendos-Kenlen: That's expected.
[09:28] <cjwatson> Packages are deleted, not obliterated from history.
[09:28] <Kendos-Kenlen> Oh okay. Then, there is no way to delete it? The reason I want to do so is that these packages were "testing packages" or from my experimentations with debian package system/launchpad itself.
[09:29] <cjwatson> What problem are they causing being in the history of the archive?
[09:30] <cjwatson> You can delete the entire PPA (which of course would delete everything else in it), but otherwise they'll stay in its history
[09:31] <Kendos-Kenlen> I'd prefer to keep the history clean, especially regarding stuff that have no purpose today.
[09:32] <Kendos-Kenlen> And won't benefit anyone
[09:32] <cjwatson> You could copy the things that remain valuable to a new PPA and delete the current PPA, I suppose.  There is no other way
[09:32] <cjwatson> I would encourage you to not worry too much about clean history though
[09:33] <Kendos-Kenlen> Okay ah ah, then I'll follow the second recommendation.
[09:33] <cjwatson> (In general we have to keep the history there because otherwise it's too easy to accidentally do things that will thoroughly confuse apt clients)
[09:35] <Kendos-Kenlen> Also I have another question. Let say I have a package that bundle testing stuff. These testing binaries relies on packages available in an external repository, previously added by another package available in the PPA. Because the binary relies on a library installed by one of these packages, the building task fail (unable to find the corresponding library).
[09:36] <cjwatson> PPA builds can't refer to anything outside of Launchpad; you'd have to get those external packages into a PPA somehow
[09:36] <Kendos-Kenlen> What is the best way to package my binary and still push it in launchpad in this case? For information, the library I need is CUDA (NVidia' lib) and I reference their repository to avoid distributing their stuff by myself.
[09:36] <cjwatson> Isn't CUDA in Ubuntu?
[09:37] <Kendos-Kenlen> CUDA is in Ubuntu, but the latest version is only available in 19.04. However, I am bundling for 18.04 (only).
[09:37] <cjwatson> Right, but you could backport the newest version
[09:37] <cjwatson> Or perhaps somebody else has already done so in another PPA
[09:39] <cjwatson> You can keep the backport in a different PPA that's clearly marked in its description as being just for use in build-dependencies, but there's no way around having it in some Launchpad-published archive
[09:40] <cjwatson> (See "Edit PPA dependencies" on your PPA for how to make it use other PPAs in its builds)
[09:41] <Kendos-Kenlen> Okay, thank you! I checked but could not find any PPA. I'll check how to backport then. I guess it is just copying the binaries from one PPA to another (CUDA is delivered pre-compiled)
[09:42] <cjwatson> "backportpackage" in the ubuntu-dev-tools package may be helpful.  (I haven't checked whether nvidia-cuda-toolkit might have inconvenient build-dependencies that might need to be adjusted.)
[09:45] <Kendos-Kenlen> Thank you very much cjwatson, you gave me very good tips! I'll investigate on this and see what I can do to only rely on launchpad!
[09:45] <cjwatson> Hope it goes well
[09:45] <Kendos-Kenlen> Thank, you saved me few hours ;)
[10:23] <ricotz> hmm, e.g. https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/cuda/+packages
[10:32] <cjwatson> ricotz: the user in question has already /parted
[10:33] <ricotz> cjwatson, I know :(