[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <Rcart> good morning daniel o/
[07:52] <dholbach> hi Rcart
[07:54] <Rcart> dholbach: btw, are there any plans for the Motu shchool in this new dev cycle?
[07:54] <dholbach> Rcart, what I know we'll have is: regular hangouts-on-air, an Ubuntu Developer Week and updated videos :)
[07:55] <dholbach> about MOTU School I don't know
[07:55] <dholbach> it'd be great if somebody organised some sessions, but I can't guarantee I'm going to be this somebody this cycle :/
[07:56] <Rcart> yeah, that'd be nice
[07:58] <Rcart> seems like MOTU School must wait to hear from  Bhavani's plans :)
[07:59] <dholbach> :)
[08:00] <Rcart> see you around then o/
[08:00] <dholbach> take care :)
[08:02] <Rcart> thank you ;)
[12:26] <ricotz> debfx, hi, could you take a look at this and maybe sponsor it? there are debian-folder diffs too -- http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/virtualbox/
[12:56] <highvoltage> xnox: lol. http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Raring-Ringtail/26357384_T6rzD6#!i=2197362820&k=7RrKp49&lb=1&s=A
[12:57]  * xnox can totally see that pic comming back again and again to haunt me down
[13:10] <highvoltage> there are a bunch of memeworthy pics in that collection
[13:30] <xnox> highvoltage: it was meant to be sad viking picture. not sure how well it turned out.
[16:24] <ricotz> debfx, i am back, in case you already seen the vbox proposal
[16:30] <debfx> ricotz: where is 38-fix-dkms-ftbfs-linux-370.patch from?
[16:32] <ricotz> debfx, i looked for a fix in 4.2.4 source and this "one-liner" is enough
[16:32] <ricotz> so from me
[16:32] <ricotz> i am running it and works normal on 3.7.0
[16:34] <ricotz> debfx, builds are available here https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/unstable/+packages
[16:36] <ricotz> debfx, btw, did you looked at 4.2.4 despite the dfsg concerns?
[16:36] <ricotz> it seems "only" the fuse driver needs greater work
[16:38] <ricotz> debfx, anyway i hope you are willing to sponsor 4.1.22
[16:43] <debfx> ricotz: no, I haven't looked at 4.2
[16:44] <debfx> I'll sponsor 4.1.22 soon
[16:44] <ricotz> debfx, thanks
[16:45] <ricotz> debfx, you said 4.2.x is not dfsg conformable anymore, so i thought you have taken a look
[16:48] <debfx> ricotz: upstream informed me of the change that makes it non-free before they released 4.2
[16:48] <debfx> but I haven't built or used 4.2
[16:48] <ricotz> debfx, alright, i see
[17:51] <debfx> ricotz: I've uploaded virtualbox, thanks for preparing and testing the update
[18:05] <ricotz> debfx, thank you
[21:54] <chilicuil> debian/patches/* can modify files in /debian/* ?, I created a patch who modify /debian/rules, but then I'm getting this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1356603/ , the patch is very simple: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1356606/
[21:55] <jtaylor> it can, but why would you want to do that?
[21:56] <jtaylor> the error message implies it just needs refreshing
[21:57] <chilicuil> jtaylor: I've refresh it, but still now working
[21:58] <chilicuil> jtaylor: not sure, I'm following the developer.ubuntu.com/packaging guide, it say I should create a patch
[21:59] <jtaylor> chilicuil: only for the upstream files
[21:59] <jtaylor> files in debian/ are usually changed directly
[21:59] <chilicuil> jtaylor: ok, then I'll download the branch again, and will modify them directly =)
[22:00] <chilicuil> someone should point out that on the guide, I'll look it in lp to see if I can suggest it
[22:12] <cjwatson> chilicuil: I would go further than jtaylor; modifying files under debian/ with debian/patches/* is Bad and Wrong and I would always reject or rewrite any proposed change that did that
[22:12] <cjwatson> Modifying debian/rules in particular would only even work at all under certain circumstances, and is too confusing an approach to be allowed to live
[22:19] <chilicuil> cjwatson: thanks for your further explanation, I'll never modify debian/ files with patches again, I've done it directly and it generated the .dsc just fine, now testing with pbuilder, btw, what happens if a change propones the contrary of another?, for example the bug I'm trying to fix #1023329 was generated when someone in Debian fixed #633934, full changelog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1356647/ , I'm enabling cgribex
[22:33] <jtaylor> chilicuil: so its either the one or the other? can't both be enabled?
[22:45] <chilicuil> jtaylor: yep, it's with or without =S, however it's a little bit strange, because the original change was in debian, ubuntu pull it and according to the reporter, the debian version works as expected while the ubuntu not, I'll upload the change to a ppa, and will ask him to test it


[15:03] <dkessel> elfy, balloons: I finally got around to file a MP for the last fix (including the end date in the range query for the test results) for bug 1126449
[15:04] <dkessel> balloons: i also proposed a fix for bug 1328800 - although i know still using testdrive is considered bad ;)
[19:30] <ianorlyn> hmm I have found a few dead homepage links in packages I don't have installed but can't really file a bug with ubuntu-bug so sometimes I end up installing it rather that having to navigate to the correct page in launchpad


[06:58] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:14] <Jeffrey4l> where is the packaging source code for ubuntu cloud archive repo?
[12:07] <ktosiek> Is there any tool for managing upgrades for multiple servers other than Landscape and apt-dater?
[12:07] <ktosiek> I'd love to have a workflow where I can see upgrades per package, and then apply them to specific groups of servers
[12:29] <yeats> ktosiek: puppet? ansible? (totally different approaches, each requiring forethought and up-front configuration setup)
[12:33] <ktosiek> I'm using Ansible for some hosts, but I could use a nice package-oriented dashboard :-)
[12:41] <patdk-lap> ya, ansible and puppet/chef are backwards on how they think
[13:17] <rbasak> patdk-lap: how do you think they should think?
[13:19] <patdk-lap> I don't understand how that has to do with anything
[13:20] <patdk-lap> that is like asking me, how linux and windows should work
[13:21] <patdk-lap> they are two totally different things designed for different purposes
[13:23] <rbasak> I thought you were making a general statement.
[13:23] <patdk-lap> I did
[13:24] <patdk-lap> puppet/chef conforms a system to a model you define
[13:24] <patdk-lap> ansible conforms the app to the system
[13:24] <rbasak> Oh
[13:24] <patdk-lap> they work backwards
[13:24] <rbasak> "ya, (ansible) and (puppet/chef are backwards on how they think
[13:24] <rbasak> Uh
[13:25] <rbasak> "ya, ((ansible) and (puppet/chef)) are (backwards on how they think)
[13:25] <rbasak> Is what you meant.
[13:25] <rbasak> "ya, (ansible and puppet/chef) are (backwards on how they think)
[13:25] <rbasak> "
[13:25] <rbasak> Is what I thought you meant.
[13:25] <rbasak> I follow now :)
[13:56] <xnox> rbasak, hey, php7.1->7.2 transition is done, however php7.1 cannot yet be removed because there are packages that depend on the removed php-mcrypt (no longer provided by php7.2)
[13:56] <xnox> rbasak, do you know if anybody knows how php packaging works, to potentially package this https://pecl.php.net/package/mcrypt standalone php mcrypt library?
[13:56] <rbasak> xnox: nacc was talking about that on Friday
[13:56] <xnox> rbasak, ah, cool. Is he going to do it?
[13:57] <rbasak> He had some options in mind I think.
[13:57] <rbasak> I'd rather wait for him than relay his opinions badly :)
[13:57] <xnox> ok
[13:57] <xnox> i'll try to catch up with him.
[14:46] <cpaelzer> smoser: hi on your open-vm-tools question
[14:47] <cpaelzer> smoser: is that because you still assume that privateTmp is not what triggers the bug?
[14:47] <cpaelzer> and you'd be interested to see what actually fails (via the strace) ?
[14:59] <smoser> cpaelzer: yeah, i was going to see strace.
[14:59] <smoser> i'd rather actually know what is the problem.
[14:59] <smoser> if it is privatetmp, then we need to file a bug on systemd
[14:59] <smoser> but i suspect it is not
[14:59] <smoser> so i'd like actual reason for failure.
[15:05] <cpaelzer> smoser: ok, so my assumption what you were after was correct at least
[15:05] <cpaelzer> trying to get some data on it
[15:05] <cpaelzer> ...
[16:45] <cpaelzer> smoser: it is a systemd issue
[16:45] <cpaelzer> smoser: I updated the bug with some more details that would flood the chan
[16:49] <smoser> cpaelzer: local-fs.target is no where near the same thing as a dependency on private tmp
[16:50] <smoser> local-fs.target means a dependency on /opt/some/path if /opt/some/path is in /etc/fstab.
[16:51] <xnox> smoser, note that PrivateTmp= generates implicit dependencies already - Similar, units with PrivateTmp= enabled automatically get mount unit dependencies for all mounts required to access /tmp and /var/tmp
[16:51] <xnox> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html#Implicit%20Dependencies
[16:52] <xnox> one more obscure "helpful" systemd feature.
[16:52] <nacc> heh
[16:52] <smoser> xnox: yes.
[16:52] <smoser> as figured out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/1750780
[16:52] <xnox> nacc, hi!
[16:52] <nacc> xnox: hiya
[16:52] <smoser> but it doesnt do that in xenial
[16:52] <smoser> but that said, a mount of /tmp and /var/tmp != local-fs.target
[16:52] <nacc> rbasak: did you want to sync on git-ubuntu today? (mini-sprint to get phasing going this week?)
[16:52] <smoser> where local-fs.target is all mounts in /etc/fstab
[16:52] <xnox> nacc, what's up with packaging php-mcrypt from https://pecl.php.net/package/mcrypt ?
[16:53] <smoser> including /opt/some/random/path
[16:53] <nacc> xnox: i pinged ondrej on it and he said he would not do it in debian
[16:53] <xnox> nacc, i think that's the easiest way forward, to remove php7.1
[16:53] <nacc> xnox: i have a bug filed
[16:53] <nacc> xnox: we just need to remove two more source packages
[16:53] <xnox> nacc, sure, but i think we should, until it's done in debian.
[16:53] <nacc> one of which i've talked to upstream about and they don't want it pacakged in ubuntu :)
[16:53] <xnox> nacc, hm, ok. Do you have bug number?
[16:53] <nacc> xnox: yeah, sorry was looking it up https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1749745
[16:54] <xnox> nacc, from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html it's 6, no?
[16:54] <xnox> ah
[16:54] <nacc> xnox: iirc, tsome of those are reverse-recommends, but let me check
[16:54] <xnox> ah, could be.
[16:54] <nacc> xnox: yeah the last 3 are recomends
[16:54] <xnox> i think we can upload dropping reverse-recommends.
[16:55] <nacc> xnox: yeah, i can do that today
[16:55] <nacc> and then we'd remove cakephp{,-scripts} and gosa
[16:55] <nacc> i think gosa will come back in, as i've talked to upstream abou tit
[16:55] <nacc> but i'd rather we sync it from debian then try to diverge right now
[16:56] <xnox> yeah =/
[16:56] <nacc> xnox: i'll work with the AAs on the removals today
[16:56] <xnox> cool
[16:59] <smoser> xnox: could you take a *quick* look at  my scary systemd-resolve bug ?
[17:00] <smoser> i can't understand why anyone using network manager on bionic would not be affected.
[17:00] <rbasak> nacc: yep. Five minutes?
[17:01] <Sircle> Hi
[17:01] <Sircle>  How to make sure that .php script of one site cannot access data of any other site?
[17:02] <xnox> smoser, something is very odd
[17:02] <xnox> smoser, so  DNS Domain: ~mosers.us does not look right.
[17:02] <Sircle>  I am having hard times in blocking access to the directory ".git" and any files under its tree. This directory is in every of my 70 websites. What should I do ? I have referred http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_authz_core.html#require    but cannot make up syntax
[17:02] <xnox> smoser, i think you may be able to fix it by sending the right domain to resolved via d-feet.
[17:03] <xnox> smoser, i believe it is set to "route-only" ~mosers.us => meaning, only use this network for mosers.us and nothing else.
[17:03] <xnox> i think, it should be "mosers.us" there instead.
[17:03] <nacc> rbasak: ack
[17:03] <xnox> smoser,           DNS Domain: ~mosers.us
[17:03] <xnox> is the odd bit, because for me, it is
[17:03] <xnox> smoser,           DNS Domain: surgut.co.uk
[17:03] <nacc> Sircle: ok, cross-posting *three* times does not help
[17:04] <xnox> Sircle, hm, you should not store .git in public directories.... if you deploy from git, you should export a tree from git, not clone a git repository....
[17:04] <sdeziel> Sircle: you can have the .git reside outside of the documentroot and then you can set permissions on it to prevent the www-data user from accessing it
[17:05] <xnox> Sircle, or are you trying to serve naked git dir / as in host git repositories over http? then it should not be /.git/ subdir, but a full top level one, like myrepo.git/
[17:06] <xnox> smoser, are you using, something like "use this connection only for things on behind this connection" in network manager?
[17:07] <smoser> xnox: have you rebooted ?
[17:07] <nacc> rbasak: i'm in the standup HO
[17:07] <rbasak> omw
[17:08] <xnox> smoser, not recently no, maybe i should.
[17:08] <smoser> i do not have 'use this connection fo resources ...'
[17:08] <xnox> smoser, i am close to end of day, and will reboot and debug this stuff. I do think we may need changes to make sure it sends domains as "search & route", not "route-only".
[17:08] <Sircle> xnox,  let me know the syntax?
[17:08] <xnox> smoser, as looking at resolved dns plugin inside network manager, it did look wrong to me before.
[17:09] <xnox> Sircle, sorry, i do not provide support at that level. And i'm not sysadmin myself.
[17:14] <cpaelzer> xnox: smoser: don't focus on local-fs.target != "dependency on private tmp" that is the easy to resolve path in bionic
[17:14] <cpaelzer> focus on the trivial unit that I added to the bug that fails in Xenial by NOT having those implicit dependencies
[17:18] <smoser> cpaelzer: i'm not able to reproduce your failure
[17:18] <Sircle> xnox,  nacc sdeziel I need www-data to access .git to take pulls
[17:18] <smoser> yeah. i dont understand it.
[17:19] <smoser> unless /tmp and /var/tmp are on a different filesystem then / then i am missing something
[17:20] <sdeziel> Sircle: if you need www-data to access the .git dir but not PHP, I think you can use PHP-FPM and run it with a non www-data user
[17:20] <Sircle> sdeziel,  there are many httpd rules like I mentioned above to deny access.
[17:21] <sdeziel> Sircle: deny rules affect clients access, not what apache/mod_php can do
[17:36] <Sircle> sdeziel,  I want to deny client acccess. yes.
[17:53] <nacc> powersj: ping
[17:54] <powersj> nacc: sup
[17:55] <nacc> powersj: wanted to sync on the git-ubuntu CI. i'm about to land the changes in master that will make us need to switch to the new CI jobs
[17:55] <nacc> powersj: we had chatted last week about making there be 3 stages or so? snap build, snap self-test, integration test ?
[17:55] <powersj> nacc: yeah I am finishing 16.04.4 testing now, then I can work on the workflow
[17:55] <nacc> powersj: ack, thanks
[17:56] <nacc> powersj: do you want me to hold off on landing in master? or can you run against master to show the potential output?
[17:56] <powersj> nacc: I'd actually prefer it be in master, so I can use it to test the workflow
[17:57] <nacc> powersj: ack, landing them now then
[18:55] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: that clamav 0.99.3 update somehow reverted the NEWS file to talk about 0.99.1, did you notice that?
[19:10]  * mdeslaur looks
[19:11] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: what news file are you referring to? the one I see mentions 0.97.5
[19:12] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: "NEWS" at the root
[19:12] <ahasenack> mentions 0.99.1
[19:12] <Sircle> sdeziel,   I have 70 directories under /var/www/html/   Do I need to put <Directory for each of 70  or just something like <DirectoryMatch /var/www/html/*/.git/*> ?
[19:12] <ahasenack> in the 0.99.3+addedllvm-0ubuntu1 package, and also in upstream's 0.99.3 tarball
[19:12] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: yes, that's normal...upstream's 0.99.3 tree actually got renamed to 0.100 when they decided 0.99.3 should be a minor update to 0.99.2
[19:13] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: so the 0.99.3 betas have nothing in common with the actual 0.99.3 release
[19:13] <ahasenack> hmm
[19:13] <ahasenack> so we got a downgrade?
[19:13] <ahasenack> there was no fix for the 0.99.3 betas (or 0.100)?
[19:13] <mdeslaur> yes, we downgraded to the stable release
[19:14] <mdeslaur> there's no release for 0.100, it's a work in progress
[19:14] <ahasenack> since we were using a beta already, couldn't we have upgraded to 0.100?
[19:14] <ahasenack> wouldn't the code diff be smaller?
[19:15] <mdeslaur> you want to ship an unfinished work in progress with no release date and possibly no proper signatures in our LTS release?
[19:15] <ahasenack> wasn't it like that already with 0.99.2~beta?
[19:15] <ahasenack> or rather, 0.99.3~beta
[19:15] <mdeslaur> yes, and we should have never synced that
[19:16] <ahasenack> ah
[19:54] <Sircle> I had files in /var/www/html/site1.com   /var/www/html/site2.com and so on. One of my sites got compromised and script in it copied many files inside other website directories. How can I restrict this so php cannot access files outside the parent directory or vhost path?
[19:54] <Sircle> nacc,  xnox sdeziel
[19:54] <nacc> Sircle: don't use php? :)
[19:54] <nacc> Sircle: please don't ping users with random questions
[19:54] <Sircle> k
[19:55] <sarnold> do not let the user that runs the php code have write access to anything except log files, database sockets, and an uploads directory if you absolutely must have one
[19:55] <sarnold> you can use both unix access control mechanisms and AppArmor for this task
[19:56] <Sircle> No way to isolate each site?
[19:58] <Sircle> sarnold, For access rights, it varies so much. For every site its different upload folder or pluging folder (wordpress). Very difficult to keep track of
[20:00] <sarnold> Sircle: Probably you could run each site under a different user account via as many FPM things as needed..
[20:04] <Sircle> hm sarnold thats the only way?
[20:07] <sarnold> Sircle: you could also use different VMs or LXD containers per site ..
[20:30] <Sircle_> sarnold,  don't I just need this? https://stackoverflow.com/a/1649731
[20:32] <sarnold> Sircle_: open_basedir is not a security tool
[20:33] <sarnold> Sircle_: even if it were, it only influences filesystem operations that go through php; ptrace, IPC, or filesystem operations that don't go through PHP aren't handled at all.
[20:33] <Sircle_> will that not limit .php files to limit to the vhost files only? <- thats what I want
[20:37] <sarnold> it will not. it's about the same as asking drivers to politely not get into accidents.
[21:44] <powersj> nacc https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/view/git-ubuntu/job/git-ubuntu-ci-nightly/
[21:44] <powersj> currently running the nightly job against master
[21:45] <powersj> will watch status
[21:45] <powersj> then will run a CI job if that passes
[21:56] <nacc> powersj: ack, thanks
[22:48] <nacc> rbasak: code looks good to me; you ahve one TBC in gitubuntu/apt_repo_test/README
[22:49] <rbasak> nacc: ah yes. I just need to look up the command, thanks.
[22:50] <nacc> rbasak: np
[22:51] <nacc> rbasak: and you also need a rebase :)
[23:06] <nacc> powersj: did you see the failure just now? https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/git-ubuntu-ci/303/console
[23:07] <powersj> nacc: yeah I kicked that after the nightly passed
[23:08] <powersj> I think there was a race with the nightly script also doing a vm launch
[23:14] <nacc> cpaelzer: do you think you could pick up the merge of kopanocore? i think you have more context on your delta (and if it's all been picked up by debian). I think we would normally sync, excpet we need to transition php7.1-mapi -> php-mapi


[00:00] <cjwatson> I think those may be regrettably missing.
[00:00] <jkitchen> ok
[00:00] <jkitchen> maybe I'll fire up another netconsole install and poke around :)
[00:00] <jkitchen> thanks!
[00:00] <cjwatson> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/index.html covers them.
[00:01] <jkitchen> perfect
[00:01] <jkitchen> seriously googling for this stuff is nearly impossible :(
[00:02] <cjwatson> The downside of popularity.  It used to be easier.
[00:02] <jkitchen> hehe
[00:12] <jkitchen> and there's no way to define hooks directly in the preseed file apparently?
[00:12] <jkitchen> other than using an early_command to write them out that is
[00:15] <jkitchen> hook/post-base-installer/1 string "foo"
[00:15] <jkitchen> for instance
[00:15] <jkitchen> (would be really cool if it could do that)
[00:15] <cjwatson> Sadly not.  I've always kind of meant to get roudn to that
[00:15] <cjwatson> *round
[00:16] <jkitchen> is there a preferred place to submit feature requests? I'll go ahead and put one in
[00:16] <jkitchen> not that I'm gonna wait for it to get done, but it might be helpful for folks in the future or such
[00:18] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+filebug I guess
[00:19] <jkitchen> cool, thanks!
[00:19] <cjwatson> Actually you might need to use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+filebug?no-redirect to stop it sending you through ubuntu-bug or whatever
[00:19] <cjwatson> (Which isn't going to be helpful in this case, although it often is)
[00:28] <jkitchen> submitted. thanks!
[01:11] <jkitchen> root@ns1:~# id puppet
[01:11] <jkitchen> uid=600(puppet) gid=600(puppet) groups=600(puppet)
[01:11] <jkitchen> cjwatson: thanks again, got it working
[07:18] <cjwatson> jkitchen: excellent
[08:51] <FourDollars> What grub's debug parameter should I use when I encounter some problem that it can not boot to the grub menu?
[08:51] <FourDollars> But I can see grub menu after several cool boots.
[08:55] <cjwatson> Simplest way is to use the --debug-image=all parameter to grub-install and try to capture the last screenful of output
[08:56] <FourDollars> The issue is happening in GRUB instead of Linux kernel.
[08:57] <FourDollars> I thought it is to put some command in /boot/grub/grub.cfg .
[09:00] <FourDollars> OK. I may understand.
[09:02] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Thanks a lot.
[09:08] <FourDollars> I put 'set debug=all' in /boot/grub/grub.cfg . It should be the same.
[09:11] <cjwatson> Not if it fails to even get to the point of reading grub.cfg
[09:11] <cjwatson> But I guess you know best and don't need me then :-P
[09:11] <FourDollars> So far it can read k
[09:11] <FourDollars> So far it can read /boot/grub/grub.cfg .
[09:12] <FourDollars> So I can see the debug messages.
[09:12] <FourDollars> Somehow it gets stuck before entering GRUB menu. :(
[09:33] <KnorrieBorrie-HP> after new install on new Dell-Inspiron14z(pre-loaded-withwin8), installed from live-USB ubuntu13-64bit on space created next to win8 (using Gparted) install finished nicely, yet failed to boot, used boot-repair-live-media to repair, after reboot, showed Grub menu, loads windows correctly, but when trying to load Ubuntu from grub menu, just hangs showing blank purple screen see: paste.ubuntu.com/5883944/ Anybody got ideas?
[09:42] <FourDollars> 'debug=all' is the most verbose parameter. Which is the second one?
[09:44] <FourDollars> Or is there a list of debug parameters?
[09:46] <cjwatson> FourDollars: from there you just have to find the debug category you're interested in and enable only that
[09:46] <cjwatson> (or categories, separated by ,)
[09:48] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Is there any category list available?
[09:48] <cjwatson> Only in the source I'm afraid
[09:48] <FourDollars> :(
[09:49] <cjwatson> But debug=all is for developers anyway ...
[09:49] <cjwatson> So you're expected to accompany it with source-diving
[09:49] <FourDollars> 'debug=all' shows too many messages and it is slow.
[09:50] <cjwatson> However the last thing it outputs should give an idea of where it hangs
[09:50] <cjwatson> I never actually read all of debug=all, it's just a way to get an approximation of how far it got
[09:50] <FourDollars> I see.
[09:52] <FourDollars> Is it possible to redirect the output to a serial console?
[09:53] <FourDollars> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[09:54] <cjwatson> https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Serial-terminal
[09:59] <FourDollars> Is it possible via USB?
[10:01] <FourDollars> debug=usb ?
[10:04] <FourDollars> No, it is not this way.
[10:11] <FourDollars> The screen is cleared by the purple background, and then it halts. :(
[10:12] <FourDollars> All debug messages are disappeared.
[10:13] <FourDollars> Maybe I should try it by entering grub commands manually.
[21:38] <stgraber> gah, seriously... those autopilot changes in ubiquity could have done with a tests/run before being pushed...
[21:39] <stgraber> the files contained mixed spaces and tabs, a ton of unneeded imports, broken indent and a ton of whitespaces not to mention 20 or so blank lines at the end of the files...
[21:39] <stgraber> I was hoping for a quick ubiquity upload, not having to fix all that mess...
[21:44] <stgraber> yay, I've got a source package! now let's see if I can get that thing to build (I have a feeling that even if it does, it's going to blow up in autopkgtest when I upload, but oh well...)
[21:44] <xnox> stgraber: fork. and upload. sorry about that.
[21:44] <xnox> stgraber: yeah, i'm trying to stage the autopilot test run, it will blow up at the moment.
[21:45] <xnox> stgraber: sorry, it's been a big piece of work i am hoping to land today..... =/
[21:46] <stgraber> xnox: hmm, ok, well I fixed a bunch of the obvious issues in lp:ubiquity
[21:46] <stgraber> xnox: and now running a build locally to see what else explodes. If that passes, do we have an easy way of turning off the bits we know will fail at test time?
[21:47] <stgraber> so I can just upload from the branch instead of having to deal with branching and rebasing
[21:47] <xnox> stgraber: debian/tests/control should not list "autopilot"
[21:47] <stgraber> xnox: it doesn't at the moment
[21:48] <xnox> right, than it shouldn't run =)
[21:48] <stgraber> good, so let's hope the other existing tests will be happy then ;)
[21:48] <stgraber> ah, apparently not, just got a FTBFS from sbuild...
[21:48] <xnox> stgraber: push the branch, and I can run the adt test runner on my machine quickly to check.
[21:48] <stgraber> xnox: lp:ubiquity is up to date (just haven't tagged for release)
[21:49] <stgraber> my sbuild failure was network related... retrying
[21:49] <xnox> stgraber: autopilot stuff is python2, yet the checkers are python3 =/ so whole autopilot/ should be ignored.
[21:50] <stgraber> well, pyflakes seems to be happy at the moment, but yeah, if it's always going to be python2, it probably should be added to the ignore list
[21:51] <xnox> and well, automatic update of d-i stuff needs running (unless you did that on your end) to pick up your updated grub-installer
[21:51] <stgraber> I did that here
[21:51] <stgraber> that's one of the reason why I want an ubiquity upload
[22:09] <stgraber> xnox: looks like it built succesfuly! (didn't remember it taking so long to build...)
[22:09] <stgraber> will do a quick spot check of the binaries and push to the archive
[22:11] <xnox> ack.
[22:14] <stgraber> and uploaded, will test that stuff tomorrow and then figure out how to get it into precise (that's quite a few packages to land in the right order...)
[22:48] <xnox> ohhh it worked.
[23:11] <stgraber> well, we'll see tomorrow if the images work too ;)
[23:13] <xnox> stgraber: nah, I'm about autopilot tests in nested qemu =) so our autopkgtests performs ubuntu installs in qemu \o/ =)


[18:02] <Logan> o_O
[22:51] <teward> are sync requests still being processed?
[23:01] <cjwatson> how do you mean?  sync requests are no different from any other sponsorship request nowadays, really
[23:03] <Ukikie> teward: Not FF, so yes.
[23:04] <cjwatson> sync requests aren't necessarily impeded by FF anyway
[23:04] <cjwatson> it depends on what actually changes
[23:29] <teward> cjwatson: substantial feature additions for `znc` package, but a bunch of security improvements as well (such as SSL Protocol selection ,Cipher selection, also the default disabling of SSLv3 for its SSL listeners per POODLE, etc.)
[23:29] <teward> cjwatson: so this one would need FFe consideration if Freeze hit
[23:29] <teward> already filed the request


[00:41] <wrst> ha
[00:48] <wrst> how are you Unit193 ?
[00:52] <Unit193> I'd say I'm alive, what about you?  Throat isn't great, but have hot tea.
[00:55] <wrst> I'm good play off baseball is on
[02:30] <Omnifrog> I fucking suck at making flutes http://i.imgur.com/c0GJcXg.jpg
[13:29] <tenc> Good morning wrst, Unit193, twayneprice. ^^
[13:30] <wrst> morning tenc
[13:33] <twayneprice> morning tenc
[13:47] <wrst> how are you doing twayneprice?
[14:30] <twayneprice> pretty good wrst
[14:30] <twayneprice> you?
[14:31] <wrst> yep doing well
[14:31] <wrst> checking out my ting usage over the weekend
[14:31] <wrst> after this first month I may go all anal  on my phone bill
[14:32] <twayneprice> I guess it really changes things when you only have to pay for what you use.
[14:37] <wrst> it really does, grooveip is becoming a necessary app :)
[14:44] <wrst> and especially when I can see a realistic possibility of having a phone bill under 40 bucks
[14:55] <twayneprice> wrst: tried google voice?
[14:56] <wrst> yes but google voice just forwards your number it doesn't go over wifi still uses minutes from best I can determine
[14:56] <twayneprice> You can also forward it to google talk
[14:58] <wrst> best I can tell that still uses carrier minutes I think I'm not for sure
[14:58] <wrst> all the guides I have seen require some other software
[14:59] <wrst> but that doesn't mean they are correct of course
[15:03] <wrst> actually twayneprice: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.googlevoice
[15:04] <wrst> When using Google Voice for Android, both domestic and international calls are placed through a US-based Google Voice access number, and will use the standard minutes from your cell phone plan
[15:04] <wrst> but I'm talking particularly about the android app not the service...
[15:23] <twayneprice> You can forward to google talk on the pc so I figured there was an android app.  With ios I can answer google talk on talkatone.  That gets it over to voip.
[15:23] <wrst> yes that's what I use grooveip for actually
[15:23] <wrst> I tried talkatone but the quality wasn't as good
[15:23] <twayneprice> http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57575244-285/3-android-apps-for-wi-fi-calling-with-google-voice/
[15:24] <twayneprice> does groveip have its own phone number?
[15:24] <wrst> no it uses your googlevoice
[15:24] <wrst> I'm guessing it could do something else, I actually read that article and tried all 3 of those
[15:24] <wrst> I had best luck with grooveip but I think that depends on the phone many times
[15:26] <twayneprice> Ah.  I didn't realize it worked with google voice.  Nver mind.  :)
[15:27] <wrst> but the call quality is really good as long as you aren't on dial up
[15:29] <twayneprice> The worst thing about google voice is that it doesn't support mms.  It makes it hard to only give out your GV number.
[15:34] <wrst> yes
[15:34] <wrst> I have been using to call my parents that type of thing, people that prefer using a landline anyway
[15:34] <twayneprice> I would be happy if they just sent you a text saying that there was a mms that was blocked.
[15:35] <wrst>  it just gets bounced and no indication?
[15:36] <twayneprice> yup
[15:36] <twayneprice> they don't get and indication either.
[15:45] <wrst> that's really not good
[15:45] <twayneprice> Yea, I've got burned a few times.
[16:02] <wrst> stuff like that happens when you least need it to
[16:20] <twayneprice> wrst: Seen this? :)  http://gizmodo.com/this-piano-projector-makes-playing-keyboards-as-easy-as-1441948156
[16:22] <wrst> ahh yes saw that over the weekend, guitar hero comes to piano :)
[16:23] <twayneprice> I've been thinking of trying to learn ho to play the piano.
[16:29] <wrst> I really don't know of a best method, I'm a fan of just tried and true learn the basics then move forward slowly method
[17:34] <wrst> afternoon chris4585
[18:43] <chris4585> hey wrst
[18:44] <wrst> chris4585: all going well?
[18:44] <chris4585> yep, relaxing before work
[20:12] <wrst> relaxation... my favorite thing


[08:30] <testmad> i wanna edit it and not mess things up
[08:30] <testmad> so i want a little help
[08:31] <jpatrick> maybe shadows might work now..
[08:34] <jeanluc>   chicago-1.il.us.undernet.org
[08:34] <jpatrick> ?
[08:35] <frank> testmad: I have  a bit of experience...
[08:36] <testmad> i got it frank
[08:36] <testmad> i think
[08:36] <testmad> only a reboot will tell
[08:36] <testmad> brb
[08:43] <testmad> frank: its werkin.
[08:43] <testmad> thnx for offreing to help tho
[08:44] <testmad> now..how do i see what my ehternet devices are?
[08:44] <testmad> cus i have 2 of them..but only one is working. i need to find out whaat the other one is so i can install the appropriate drive
[08:45] <testmad> i think its the marvell/yukon but not sure
[08:52] <testmad> hmm..y is that when i runs lspci..everything comes up as unkown device?
[08:53] <ilba7r> hi I installed arabic language support and arabic fonts. I can now login using the arabic language. I can also switch to righting from right to left in open office. My problem is even when i use arabic fonts whatever i right is still in english! is there any more setting i have to do ? And Yes i installed openoffice-ar pack
[08:56] <ilba7r> hi I installed arabic language support and arabic fonts. I can now login using the arabic language. I can also switch to righting from right to left in open office. My problem is even when i use arabic fonts whatever i right is still in english! is there any more setting i have to do ? And Yes i installed openoffice-ar pack
[08:58] <hussam> I have problem with kde 3.4.2 spellcheck does nor work under kopete 0.10.3 under kde 3.4.2. anybody's having a similar problem?
[08:59] <ztonzy> wee...I enjoy 3.4.2
[09:00] <slicslak> anyone use kmail?  can you label mail w/ colors ala thunderbird?
[09:01] <hussam> ztonzy: can you help me by checking if spellcheck works in you kopete?
[09:01] <hussam> ztonzy:  you* kopete?
[09:01] <hussam> your
[09:01] <ztonzy> hussam: hmm I dont use kopete , but gaim
[09:02] <ztonzy> hussam: for kde 3.4.2 ?
[09:02] <hussam> yes
[09:02] <ztonzy> hmm
[09:03] <ztonzy> dont even know if I have spellcheck turned on in (when using...) kopete
[09:03] <testmad> can anyone help me with my lspci listing?
[09:04] <testmad> everything says unkown device..is that ok? seeing as how everything works except one ethernet port..
[09:04] <hussam> ztonzy: it should be on by default but it's saying it's disabled. there is not way of enabling it.
[09:05] <ilba7r> hussam try in command line runwithaspell
[09:06] <ilba7r> let me check the correct command for you
[09:06] <ilba7r> run-with-aspell
[09:06] <hussam> "kopete runwithaspell" ?
[09:06] <ilba7r> run-with-aspell kopete
[09:06] <hussam> so I run "kopete run-with-aspell"?
[09:07] <hussam> oh ok
[09:07] <ilba7r> i know but this will force it to use it if it is dissbled
[09:07] <ztonzy> hussam: seems to work here...swedish spellcheck
[09:08] <hussam> let me get back to my kubuntu machine. I'm on the other machine. I'll be back in a minute.
[09:15] <jpatrick> Can someone tell me the command for Control Center in Menu Editor?
[09:16] <NDService> kcontrol?
[09:16] <jpatrick> I did that
[09:17] <jpatrick> keeps saying cannot write configuration
[09:34] <henning> someone who can help me with compiling?
[09:34] <jpatrick> what language?
[09:35] <henning> when I type ./configure, then it tells me that the c compiler can't create executables
[09:35] <jpatrick> C?
[09:35] <henning> I think ;)
[09:36] <henning> I'm trying to compile SuperKaramba
[09:36] <jpatrick> what compiler do you have?
[09:36] <henning> gcc ?
[09:36] <jpatrick> do you have the source files?
[09:37] <jpatrick> or is this something you downloaded?
[09:37] <henning> yes, I just need the compiler
[09:37] <jpatrick> try: gcc -o <name> <name>.c
[09:38] <jpatrick> grr..
[09:38] <jpatrick> wrong thing.. I think
[09:38] <henning> ehm?... Why can I just do the ./configure then make and then make install ?
[09:38] <jpatrick> do that
[09:38] <henning> It used to work
[09:39] <henning> but when I type in ./configure IN the source DIR, then it fails
[09:41] <henning> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:41] <henning> that is the output I get :(
[09:41] <henning> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:42] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install gcc
[09:42] <henning> done that
[09:42] <jpatrick> :-/
[09:43] <tech> try  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:44] <alexmic> Hi all
[09:44] <henning> tech: trying it now...
[09:46] <henning> :-o Working :)
[09:46] <henning> i think...
[09:46] <tech> I'm a genius.
[09:46] <tech> :D
[09:46] <henning> but thanks anyway, now i don't get the compile error :D
[09:47] <henning> yes indeed, maybe more like a gure og linux-god ;P
[09:47] <henning> guru*
[09:47] <ilba7r> is there an onscreen keyboard in ubuntu like in windows
[09:48] <henning> cya!...
[09:48] <alexmic>  I am trying to setup a wacom tablet (unsupported though) so i had to patch some source files and reconfigure and compile those files...
[09:48] <alexmic> The problem is that at config I get an error about Xorg-SDK. (first time I hear about it). I don't find any package on it nor doc on google and the file xf86Version.h is missing... what should i do??
[09:49] <jeanluc> hi
[09:49] <jeanluc> can some one help me?
[09:49] <Kovecses> jeanluc, whats the prob
[09:49] <jeanluc> no sound
[09:49] <Kovecses> ok
[09:49] <jeanluc> in cds or system sounds
[09:49] <jeanluc> :( I can't figure out what happened.
[09:49] <Kovecses> it worked before?
[09:50] <jeanluc> speakers work sound card works in windows so its not a hardware prob
[09:50] <jpatrick> most people have no sound
[09:50] <jeanluc> I want sound
[09:50] <alexmic> Does anyone knows the common path to xorg sdk and/or the package i should install?
[09:50] <Kovecses> jeanluc, you have to get the latest version of alsa and compile it
[09:50] <jeanluc> how would I do that
[09:50] <jeanluc> I am a complete noob
[09:50] <jpatrick> hopefully it should be fixed in October...
[09:51] <Kovecses> ok
[09:52] <Kovecses> jeanluc, first you need to go to alsa's web site..... get the alsa driver the alsa library the alsa utils and the alsa oss
[09:52] <jpatrick> too late
[09:52] <jpatrick> :-/
[09:52] <jpatrick> wb
[09:52] <jeanluc> sorry
[09:52] <jeanluc> back now
[09:52] <jpatrick> [21:52]  <Kovecses> jeanluc, first you need to go to alsa's web site..... get the alsa driver the alsa library the alsa utils and the alsa oss
[09:52] <Kovecses> jeanluc, first you need to go to alsa's web site..... get the alsa driver the alsa library the alsa utils and the alsa oss
[09:53] <Kovecses> oops
[09:53] <jpatrick> oppss
[09:53] <jpatrick> :)
[09:53] <jeanluc> rrr
[09:53] <jeanluc> i
[09:53] <jeanluc> sick of this in kubuntu I really like it but it should be able to play mp3 w/o tweaking.
[09:53] <jpatrick> I don't have sound
[09:54] <jeanluc> and .wav .ogg
[09:54] <Kovecses> its not that hard
[09:54] <Kovecses> i couldn't live without sound
[09:54] <jeanluc> well
[09:54] <jpatrick> nor can I
[09:54] <jeanluc> Ive tried for a bout a month to play mp3
[09:54] <jeanluc> but nothing works
[09:54] <Kovecses> so go get those files
[09:54] <jeanluc> so im thinking of going to mandrake
[09:54] <Kovecses> i can send them if you want
[09:54] <jeanluc> mandriva
[09:54] <jpatrick> which files?
[09:55] <Kovecses> jeanluc, if sound dont work in ubuntu it wonk work in mandrake....mandrake sucks
[09:55] <Kovecses> the alsa files
[09:55] <jeanluc> well
[09:55] <jeanluc> im sooo fucking sick of kubuntu
[09:55] <Kovecses> all you have to do is upgrade alsa
[09:55] <jpatrick> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa/ftp/driver/ ?
[09:55] <jpatrick> :-O
[09:55] <jeanluc> dammit
[09:55] <jeanluc> whichone?
[09:56] <Kovecses> i told you which ones
[09:56] <jeanluc> theres a million
[09:56] <Kovecses> no no no ...your at the wrong page
[09:56] <jpatrick> og
[09:56] <jpatrick> oh*
[09:56] <jpatrick> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa/ftp/ ?
[09:56] <Kovecses> wrong page
[09:56] <jpatrick> :(
[09:56] <Kovecses> go to the alsa homepage
[09:57] <jpatrick> yep
[09:57] <jpatrick> -> http://www.alsa-project.org/
[09:57] <Kovecses> yup
[09:57] <jpatrick> then...
[09:57] <Kovecses> now on the right you see all the downoads
[09:58] <jpatrick> the right?
[09:58] <Kovecses> it says 1.0.9b
[09:58] <hussam> I still can't get spellcheck to work on kopete in kde 3.4.2 anybody can help?
[09:58] <jpatrick> ok
[09:58] <Kovecses> next to driver
[09:58] <Kovecses> get that
[09:58] <jpatrick> yes
[09:58] <Kovecses> and
[09:58] <jpatrick> got it
[09:58] <Kovecses> library
[09:58] <Kovecses> and utilities
[09:58] <Kovecses> and OSS
[09:59] <jpatrick> ok
[09:59] <Kovecses> then unpack them using ark i
[09:59] <Kovecses> then unpack them using ark
[09:59] <jeanluc> rrr
[09:59] <jeanluc> fuck me
[09:59] <jpatrick> :-O
[09:59] <jeanluc> I hate this distro
[09:59] <Kovecses> why
[09:59] <Kovecses> cuz you cant use sound
[10:00] <jeanluc> every thing is fine
[10:00] <Kovecses> is this your first linux distro
[10:00] <jeanluc> except for my fucking audio
[10:00] <jeanluc> yes
[10:00] <jpatrick> you left out the ?
[10:00] <jeanluc> except redhat
[10:00] <jeanluc> so  2nd
[10:00] <Kovecses> jean......why is it so badd?
[10:00] <jeanluc> should support mp3
[10:00] <jeanluc> thats all I want
[10:00] <Kovecses> IT DOES
[10:00] <jeanluc> and I would be happy
[10:00] <jeanluc> upon install
[10:01] <frank> it cant legally do that from the start
[10:01] <Kovecses> it supports mp3 straight out of thwe box
[10:01] <Kovecses> mine did
[10:01] <jeanluc> mine doesn't
[10:01] <jeanluc> and ive tweaked
[10:01] <testmad> how do i enable DMA on boot?
[10:01] <jpatrick> so fix it
[10:01] <jeanluc> and tweaked
[10:01] <jeanluc> but
[10:01] <jeanluc> NOTHING
[10:01] <jeanluc> rrr im soo pissed
[10:01] <Kovecses> dude wtf
[10:01] <Kovecses> what did you try
[10:01] <frank> testmad: this the 2nd time I tell you this, I think: edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:01] <jpatrick> I take the "what the heck" route
[10:02] <Kovecses> all you have to do is download a player like xmms and mp3 will work fine
[10:02] <jeanluc> no
[10:02] <testmad> ah..ok..
[10:02] <jeanluc> I have xmms
[10:02] <Kovecses> YES
[10:02] <testmad> thnx frank
[10:02] <jeanluc> bmp
[10:02] <jeanluc> NONE OF THEM WORK
[10:02] <Kovecses> its cuz your sound doesnt work
[10:02] <jeanluc> no it used to
[10:02] <jeanluc> rrr
[10:02] <stibby> can i get amarok 1.3 through apt?
[10:02] <Kovecses> it used to!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:02] <jeanluc> sudo apt-get install amarok
[10:02] <jpatrick> with backports enabled
[10:02] <jeanluc> mp3 never worked
[10:02] <jeanluc> .wav only
[10:03] <Kovecses> do me a favor buddy go back to windows.....linux is not for u
[10:03] <jeanluc> no
[10:03] <jpatrick> yeah
[10:03] <jeanluc> kubuntu
[10:03] <stibby> how do i enable backports?
[10:03] <jpatrick> you do that
[10:03] <jeanluc> kubuntu is not for me redhat is
[10:03] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[10:03] <Kovecses> my mp3 worked straight out of the box for me
[10:03] <frank> then red hat: whatever works
[10:03] <jeanluc> good for you!
[10:03] <Kovecses> implaying one right now
[10:03] <jpatrick> I've untarred the files...
[10:04] <paines> hi
[10:04] <nikkia> oh ffs
[10:04] <Kovecses> fedora doesnt support mp3
[10:04] <jpatrick> good bye
[10:04] <nikkia> i've been sat here for 10 minutes trying to work out why i can't get arts and jack connected....
[10:04] <paines> any idea when amd64 are ready for kde 3.4.2
[10:05] <testmad> can i just use hda,hdb,hdc instead of hda1, hdb1,etc..etc..?
[10:05] <Kovecses> god damn
[10:05] <frank> paines: I don't know if amd64 gets the updates for kde. amd64 doesn't have backports, so maybe not
[10:05] <frank> testmad: for dma?
[10:05] <testmad> yea
[10:05] <frank> testmad: for it has to be the drives
[10:06] <frank> so /dev/hdc
[10:06] <Kovecses> anybody else have mp3 issues like he did?
[10:06] <testmad> k
[10:06] <frank> paines: I used to run amd64 and let me tell you that i386 is heaven compared to it.
[10:06] <testmad> what about dma on hd?
[10:06] <testmad> harddrives?
[10:07] <Kovecses> i just got cedega from limewire.......hehehe
[10:07] <frank> testmad: I think that is enabbled by default
[10:07] <frank> testmad: not too sure though
[10:07] <pax> gotta chose between a great cpu or up-to-date system ::evilgrin::
[10:08] <frank> pax: well i386 on athlon64 still performs pretty damn well!
[10:09] <pax> frank that proves that the latest is not always the greatest :p
[10:10] <jpatrick> I hope this works
[10:10] <jpatrick> wb
[10:10] <jpatrick> so I just do ./configure ?
[10:11] <jpatrick> no!
[10:11] <pax> hussam: what's up ammo :)
[10:12] <hussam> pax: hey man.
[10:12] <hussam> pax: how do I enable automatic spell check in applications using aspell? any idea?
[10:13] <pax> ew good question, I never use aspell, sorry
[10:13] <hussam> do you use kopete?
[10:13] <nikkia> ddddddd
[10:14] <nikkia> oops
[10:14] <pax> la2
[10:14] <hussam> oh ok
[10:17] <frank> I just figured out something. The reason I can see alot of full names here is because people are using kde irc clients
[10:19] <onewing> hello, i enabled the transparency effects on my user, and how it hangs the system at the end of my KDE splash screen
[10:19] <pax> franky, whatcha mean
[10:19] <onewing> anyone know how to change that back to normal? i can log in as root
[10:20] <stibby> can anyone think of a way to convert midi into mp3?
[10:23] <onewing> sorry if im repeating, but my system hung
[10:23] <onewing> i enabled tranparency effects in my normal user
[10:23] <onewing> now when i try to log in as it, it hangs at the end of my KDE splashscreen
[10:24] <onewing> is there anyway i can change the tranparency effects back to being disabled for that user?
[10:25] <insanekane> stibby: use arts-builder for that i guess
[10:35] <testmad> WTF?!?! Noatun
[10:35] <testmad> what is this
[10:36] <testmad> does kdat work with the old colorado 120's?
[10:37] <testmad> cus i got one of them still and bout 80 tapes for it
[10:39] <porinne> hi
[10:40] <porinne> is somebody there ?
[10:40] <testmad> i am
[10:40] <insanekane> yes
[10:41] <hussam> pax: did you upgrade to kde 3.4.2?
[10:41] <porinne> could somebody help me to install skype on kubuntu 64 ?
[10:45] <testmad> i cant
[10:45] <testmad> sorry
[10:45] <testmad> n/m
[10:45] <testmad> left allready
[10:47] <testmad> is there a way to change file associations all at once..
[10:47] <testmad> instead of going thru and changing every one.
[10:47] <testmad> i just dont like naotun
[10:47] <testmad> err..whatever it is.
[10:50] <_radu> did anywone tested the new kde 3.4.2 ?
[10:50] <testmad> im using it
[10:50] <Happy> how do I move one file to another directory in consle
[10:50] <nikkia> right, thats a nice kdm theme setup
[10:50] <Happy> sudo mv file file?
[10:50] <nikkia> and KDE configured to properly use and start jack :)
[10:51] <testmad> nikkia: what theme?
[10:51] <nikkia> testmad, a heavily modified 'shuttle'
[10:51] <testmad> heh
[10:51] <_radu> is it good enough to upgrade from the 3.4 ? i heard that there bug fixes .... is it realy so debuged?
[10:52] <nikkia> testmad, the hard part was making a ksplash theme to suit it :)
[10:52] <testmad> ksplash? it has one
[10:52] <testmad> i thought
[10:52] <nikkia> testmad, eh?
[10:52] <jpatrick> i'm off
[10:52] <nikkia> testmad, for 'shuttle' no, there's not, not on kde-look anyway
[10:53] <testmad> ok.i see kdm theme and splash screen
[10:53] <_radu> okay , so after i add that crap (lines) to the sources.list , what do i have to do to install kde 3.4.2
[10:53] <_radu> ?
[10:53] <testmad> but..its not for shuttle i gues
[10:53] <testmad> cus it looks nothing like the theme
[10:53] <nikkia> testmad, no, different shuttle :P
[10:54] <nikkia> testmad, i basically just created a new theme based on redmond (ie, similar behaviour to kubuntu's splash)
[10:55] <esac> how can i install the 7667 nvidia drivers ? I don't see them with the added repositories
[10:55] <nikkia> testmad, copied across shuttle's background for it, then moved the text position and changed the colours :)
[10:55] <testmad> cool
[10:56] <_radu> uh boy , it seems like i dont have much chances to install it tonight
[10:56] <_radu> :)
[10:57] <fcobra> hola
[11:02] <fcobra> :-)))
[11:05] <testmad> well..back to xp..
[11:09] <TestMAD> nikkia: y is that that when i lspci everything says unkown device?
[11:10] <TestMAD> it even says that on the nvidia cards but i have the nvidia drivers installed..i actually mangaed to figure out how to compile them
[11:13] <nikkia> testmad, because lspci can't find the pci vendor/device database ?
[11:14] <TestMAD> hmm
[11:14] <nikkia> testmad it should be, /usr/share/pci.ids iirc
[11:14] <TestMAD> so how do i go about fixing it?
[11:15] <nikkia> testmad 'sudo update-pciids'
[11:15] <TestMAD> ahh
[11:15] <TestMAD> ill have to try that when iget back onto kubuntu
[11:17] <nikkia> i'm tempted to say its a touch faster than kubuntu too
[11:17] <nikkia> firefox certainly is :)
[11:17] <TestMAD> make me a distro and send it my way
[11:17] <TestMAD> hehe
[11:18] <nikkia> testmad, my two main goals for going LFS have been fullfilled...
[11:18] <nikkia> 1) have full support for my printer, 2) use jack properly for the complete system-wide sound
[11:19] <TestMAD> im gonna need help with my mustek scanner oneday
[11:19] <TestMAD> now i know who to come to
[11:35] <jeanluc> wow
[11:36] <jeanluc> everything is frozen except
[11:36] <jeanluc> fire fox
[11:36] <jeanluc> nvm
[11:36] <jeanluc> it fixed its self up I LOVE LINUX
[11:39] <_marco> i have a problem compiling wings3d, don't know if this is the right place...
[11:41] <_marco> i'm trying with version 0.98.29b
[11:41] <_marco> when it tries to compile the "accel" plugin
[11:50] <_drac> how do I check if DMA is enabled on a harddrive?
[11:50] <_drac> Im getting horribly slow transfer rates from hda1 to sda1
[11:52] <nikkia> drac, sudo hdparm -I /dev/...
[11:52] <_drac> ahh hdparm thats what it was
[11:52] <_drac> thanks
[11:54] <xpower> When i try root commands, x says "sudo: must be setuid root" Meaning?
[11:55] <_drac> Are you root? (using sudo passwd root)
[11:55] <xpower> I have logged in as a user, maybe my user is set to root?
[11:56] <nikkia> drac, more likely permissions on his sudo are wrong
[11:56] <_drac> Bleh, HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
[11:56] <nikkia> they should be --s--x--x
[11:56] <xpower> Cant open Kuser.. :(
[11:56] <nikkia> drac, on hda ?
[11:56] <_drac> yes nikkia
[11:56] <_drac> using hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
[11:56] <nikkia> drac, odd, maybe you don't have a DMA-capable IDE controller as far as the kernel is concerned ?
[11:57] <_drac> Humm maybe
[11:57] <_drac> I need to recompile to a newer one anyway
[11:57] <_drac> yup
[11:57] <_drac> just googled it, kernel doenst have default support for intel chipset
[11:57] <xpower> sudo
[11:58] <nikkia> hmm, it did for my i845, is it a i915 or something ?
[11:58] <_drac> i875PE
[11:58] <_drac> ICH5
[11:58] <nikkia> ah
[11:58] <nikkia> i'm ICH4 i think
[11:59] <_drac> aye, I want to get me one of those Pentium D's in the near future


[19:13] <peptido> hello, I have a question about japanese websites. Anyone here from Japan / used to using websites in Japanese?


[00:56] <vorian> evening
[01:40] <vorian> anyone else have keyboard failure in kdm?
[01:40] <Mythor_> version? what failure?
[01:40] <vorian> my keyboard works fine w/out X
[01:40] <vorian> intrepid
[01:41] <Mythor_> works fine here
[01:41] <vorian> hmm
[01:41] <vorian> the odd thing is my touchpad works, and trackpoint
[01:41] <vorian> (laptop)
[01:42] <Mythor_> worked before?
[01:42] <vorian> yes
[01:43] <vorian> well, friday night it did
[01:44] <Mythor_> sorry, dont have an idea
[01:44] <vorian> roger
[01:45] <vorian> brb
[01:57] <nixternal> The following packages have been kept back: libkdcraw-dev libkexiv2-dev
[01:57] <nixternal> what's the story with that? been a couple of weeks now and I still have that....need to fixy fixy
[02:39] <Hobbsee> install them manually
[03:01] <papabean> Will there be another KubuntuTutorialsDay?
[03:12] <kduser> papabean: Ah Yeah I think so
[05:06] <emma> :)
[06:54] <supert0nes> kubuntuTutorialsDay must inclue plasma
[06:57] <kduser> for?
[07:24] <Tm_T> ryanakca: you're the man I should poke if new kubuntu.org doesn't render perfectly in Konqueror?
[10:15] <davmor2> Riddelll: Why the big window around the install icon on intrepid?
[10:21] <davmor2> Riddelll: The install button doesn't seem to do anything either
[11:36] <allee> How do others debug/explore pykde4/qt4 scripts?  It would help a bit if at least app.exec_() could be convinced to do it's work in bg and immediately return and give a python prompt when python -i debugme.py is used
[11:55] <Riddelll> davmor2: that'll just be plasma doing its thing
[11:55] <Riddelll> allee: well it's a main loop, wouldn't be much use if it returned
[11:55] <Riddelll> you can use kApplication.processEvents()
[12:04] <davmor2> Riddelll: But still why so big it takes up a third of the screen for 2 icons
[12:08] <Riddelll> I've not looked at it, but 1/3rd of the screen is 2/3rds less than most icon views take up on the desktop
[12:15] <nixternal> Riddelll: I never got that email from ya, so I am guessing you didn't need me to help out
[12:47] <gnomefreak> has anyone done amarok2 for intrepid?
[12:47] <allee> Riddelll: well the mainloop could, poll, wait for readline input too ;)
[12:48] <allee> Riddelll: that how it was done in the perl/tk shell
[12:49] <allee> Riddelll: I'll try processEvents() ...
[13:02] <Nightrose> gnomefreak: apachelogger was working on it
[13:02] <Nightrose> afaik
[13:03] <gnomefreak> Nightrose: i know he was working on it for Hardy but libtools(or whatever it was) was too low a version to do it in Hardy at this time it needs 1.5
[13:04] <Nightrose> k
[14:27] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:27] <apachelogger> ok
[14:27] <apachelogger> is just me or is bug 45843 == bug 45846
[14:56] <Xand3r> hi @ all
[14:56] <jtechidna> apachelogger: I'd say so
[14:56] <Xand3r> apachelogger: please look in the querry
[14:56] <apachelogger> there is no query
[14:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: never mind
[14:57]  * apachelogger never minds
[14:57] <Xand3r> ^^
[14:58] <Xand3r> i start to hate qt apps
[14:58] <Xand3r> some times they use the colore sheme sometimes not
[15:00] <allee> sed -ie 's/QApplicatin/KApplication/'
[15:02]  * apachelogger blames KDE
[15:03] <Xand3r> allee: dont understand waht you mean
[15:05] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what has allee said?
[15:06] <allee> Xand3r: sorry, this wasn't meant serious:  is qt (app) sucks make ist a kde (app)
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> Don't forget the KCmdLineArgs!
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:06] <apachelogger> +1
[15:07] <allee> JontheEchidna: pimp my qtapp :)
[15:07] <Xand3r> allee: do you think it would work?
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r: you mean porting the app to KDE?
[15:08] <Xand3r> jea
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> That would probably get it to respect the color scheme
[15:08] <Xand3r> hey that i will do later on, thx
[15:09] <Xand3r> cya, i am going to do some sports
[15:48]  * freeflying
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> Bug 216408 <-wtf?
[15:56] <freeflying> sorry, type wrong
[16:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: rofl
[16:37] <apachelogger> I think
[16:37] <apachelogger> his splash is b0rked
[16:37] <apachelogger> "there used to be a set of widgets that appeared as the login completed booting showing system tools , internet, multimedia etc."
[16:37] <apachelogger> that appears to be the normal splash content as represented by the appropriate icons
[16:38] <apachelogger> now there is a small box approximatly 2000%^%2000 pixels that has a line prompt for these actions
[16:38] <apachelogger> that is the b0rkage
[16:38] <apachelogger> though I can't really imagine how that would look like
[16:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ask him to provide a photo or something
[16:38] <apachelogger> oh
[16:38] <apachelogger> thinking about it
[16:39] <apachelogger> it might well be that we are facing an broken compability
[16:39] <apachelogger> anyway, I can't imagine how that line prompt looks ;-)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> ah
[16:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I probably need hardy+ppa4 testers for amarok some time soon
[16:46] <Nightrose> ai
[16:49] <daskreecH> hi manchicken
[16:49] <apachelogger> Riddelll: is someone on 4.0.98 yet?
[16:49] <manchicken> hiya
[16:52] <Riddelll> apachelogger: nope
[16:53] <yuriy> would that be RC?
[16:54] <apachelogger> Riddelll: I could start with kde4libs
[16:56] <apachelogger> yuriy: pretty much so
[17:00] <yuriy> do y'all think bug 243683 needs to be fixed in Hardy?
[17:02] <Nightrose> yuriy: pusling fied it upstream afaik
[17:02] <Nightrose> *fixed
[17:02] <yuriy> yes, in trunk
[17:02] <Nightrose> jep
[17:02] <apachelogger> yuriy: +1
[17:07] <Riddelll> apachelogger: that would be most excellent.  do you have access to ktown?
[17:08] <apachelogger> Riddelll: ... I used to be the amarok release dude ;-)
[17:08] <apachelogger> kdelibs building
[17:16] <Riddelll> nixternal: Ii  dde--mail  butI guess  itwent to your spam folder or something
[17:17] <Riddelll> gosh, what happened to that line
[17:17] <nixternal> alcohol? :)
[17:17] <nixternal> I will check my spam folder
[17:17] <Riddelll> nixternal: I did e-mail but I guess it went to your spam folder or something
[17:17] <yuriy> apachelogger: to fix this in 4.0.5, do I put hardy-backports in the changelog?
[17:17] <Riddelll> nixternal: I don't know what the current state of alpha 2 is, maybe davmor2 knows
[17:18] <apachelogger> yuriy: hardy-proposed
[17:18] <Riddelll> I heard they were all horribly oversized
[17:18] <yuriy> apachelogger: but this is not for updates, the bug isn't in 4.0.3 iirc
[17:18] <apachelogger> hm
[17:18] <apachelogger> then, yes hardy-backports
[17:19] <apachelogger> Riddelll: bug 244293
[17:19] <nixternal> Riddelll: I have on spam message from you:
[17:19] <nixternal> Riddell to ubuntu-motu-ow.
[17:19] <nixternal> show details Jul 3 (8 days ago)
[17:19] <nixternal> Reply
[17:19] <nixternal> Erase all doubts about your masculinity with your brand new pecker
[17:19] <nixternal> http://www.qualitystand.com/
[17:19] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahahahahaha
[17:19] <apachelogger> there were times kubuntu didn't ship libmad :S
[17:20] <nixternal> Riddelll: found it....interesting that I didn't get it at home, but it is in gmail
[17:20] <yuriy> Riddelll: or should I put hardy and upload to kubuntu-updates-testing?
[17:36] <yuriy> I could also backport the fix to bug 205517 from upstream, but I'm not sure about that one since I haven't run into that problem
[17:40] <yuriy> If the upstream fix included changes to tests, and adding a test, is it OK to not include that if the patch doesn't apply?
[17:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do we have some testers?
[17:44] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i have a list of people for tarball testing
[17:44] <Nightrose> a few of them use kubuntu
[17:44] <Nightrose> i can mail them
[17:44] <Nightrose> or ask in #amarok
[17:44] <Nightrose> depending on how fast you need it
[17:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you do :P
[17:45] <Nightrose> which of the two? ;-)
[17:45] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:45] <apachelogger> both
[17:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: KDE 4 PPA + deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ubuntu hardy main
[17:45] <apachelogger> install amarok-kde4
[17:45] <Nightrose> k
[17:45] <Nightrose> which folder does it use for settings?
[17:45] <Nightrose> .kde4?
[17:46] <Riddelll> apachelogger: commented on bug 244293
[17:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just like the rest of kde4 ppa :P
[17:46] <Nightrose> k
[17:46] <Riddelll> yuriy: I don't know what the question is but updates go to hardy-proposed
[17:46] <Nightrose> just making sure
[17:46] <apachelogger> Riddelll: thanks
[17:47] <yuriy> Riddelll: bug 243683, it's in 4.0.5 but I don't think it's in 4.0.3
[17:48] <Riddelll> yuriy: ah, then not -proposed
[17:49] <yuriy> Riddelll: If the upstream fix included changes to tests, and adding a test, is it OK to not include that if the patch doesn't apply?
[17:53] <Riddelll> yuriy: yes
[17:55]  * Mez slaps Riddell
[17:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: mail send and asked/added to topic in #amarok
[17:58] <daskreecH> hey Mez
[17:58] <Mez> hi
[18:01] <daskreecH> how are you?
[18:01] <daskreecH> Busy I know :)
[18:04] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: hi , you hade the great idea with porting an qt app to kde, can you help me with taht?
[18:05] <yuriy> aw the fix doesn't apply cleanly :(
[18:05]  * yuriy thought that was gonna be easy
[18:06] <daskreecH> yuriy: Always think it's going to be ridiculously hard. That way at worst you are satatied and at best very pleasently surprised :)
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> Xand3r: Actually it wasn't my idea <.<
[18:10] <Xand3r> hmm
[18:10] <Xand3r> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=screenie-qt done the change please upload it, thx a lot
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> and unless it's written in python I couldn't help anyway
[18:11] <Xand3r> where could be a problem that the color sheme s not used in qt apps everytime?
[18:14] <apachelogger> Xand3r: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev (>=4.4)
[18:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ?
[18:15] <apachelogger> please either use (>=1.1) or (>= 1.1)
[18:15] <apachelogger> either whitespace or no whitespace
[18:15] <apachelogger> :P
[18:15] <apachelogger> *uploading*
[18:15] <Xand3r> ah ok
[18:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thx
[18:20] <apachelogger> hum
[18:20]  * apachelogger is top contributor today, this week and this month at 5-a-day
[18:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: any test results yet?
[18:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Myriam is testing right now and some guy in #amarok
[18:22] <apachelogger> cool
[18:23] <klerfayt> apachelogger: how do you "forward a bug"? bug 243820
[18:25] <apachelogger> klerfayt: copy the original description and add the launchpad bug URL
[18:25] <apachelogger> then attach the backtrace
[18:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what could be the reason that qt apps not use the colorcheme fully?
[18:28] <apachelogger> qt bug
[18:28] <apachelogger> kdelibs bug
[18:28] <Xand3r> hmm
[18:28] <Xand3r> ok, than i have to live wit it
[18:28] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what do you define as 'fully' anyway?
[18:28] <Nightrose> apachelogger: myriam's error: http://pastebin.com/d7444a66a
[18:29] <Xand3r> apachelogger: the text uses the colorsheme the background not
[18:29] <apachelogger> uah
[18:29] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you guys should add a note to the cmake output
[18:30] <apachelogger> "libplasma not found, going to install necessary plasma files blah blah"
[18:30] <apachelogger> Xand3r: sounds funky ;-)
[18:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: k - telling the guys
[18:31] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but if i use the standart sheme, everything is fine
[18:32] <klerfayt> apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166315
[18:33] <klerfayt> wow. smart bot ;-)
[18:33] <klerfayt> Xand3r: using kate?
[18:33] <Xand3r> yes
[18:33] <klerfayt> Xand3r: which kde? 3?
[18:34] <Xand3r> 4
[18:34] <Xand3r> nightly build
[18:34] <Xand3r> hardy
[18:34] <klerfayt> Xand3r: you probably saved the color scheme setting in kate, that is why it won't use the background of overall kde color scheme
[18:35] <klerfayt> Xand3r: I could be wrong though ;-) (haven't used kde4 for some days)
[18:35] <Xand3r> klerfayt: what do you mean with sved in kate? i changed the settings with in "systemsettings" -> "apperance"
[18:37] <klerfayt> Xand3r: from my own experience with kde3 - whenever you save whatever settings in kate, the color scheme won't be applied fully next time
[18:37] <apachelogger> klerfayt: thank you very much
[18:37] <klerfayt> no problem
[18:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: uploading new package
[18:38] <Nightrose> ok :)
[18:52] <yuriy> apachelogger: oh, is 5-a-day fixed now?
[18:52] <apachelogger> yuriy: fixed?
[18:53] <daskreecH> There are less than 5 bugs to triage?
[18:53] <daskreecH> :)
[18:54] <yuriy> apachelogger: it wasn't working for me last I tried it, and a couple people in #ubuntu-bugs confirmed it ( Nightrose?)
[18:54] <Nightrose> yea
[18:54] <Nightrose> b0rked for me
[18:54] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:54] <Nightrose> doesn't submit
[18:55] <apachelogger> what's the error
[18:55] <apachelogger> ?
[18:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ~15 minutes until the new package is available
[18:57] <Nightrose> ok :)
[19:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: available
[19:26] <Nightrose> k will tell them
[19:27] <ScottK> yuriy: For guidance-power-manager, we need to go through the existing bugs and see which ones still apply to the KDE4 version and then move the bugs there.  Wishlist stuff should just move and stuff that's not SRU worthy should get won'tfixed in kde-guidance.
[19:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: installs fine here now - trying to get a collection now
[19:36] <Nightrose> songs play fine
[19:41] <Xand3r> btw Nightrose my amarok nightlydoesnt creat the collection
[19:41] <Xand3r> it scans my data but after nothing hapens
[19:41] <Nightrose> delete your collection.db
[19:41] <Nightrose> there were changes to the db scheme that might screw it up
[19:41] <Xand3r> Nightrose: found where?
[19:42] <Nightrose> ~/.amarok-nightly/share/apps/amarok
[19:42] <Xand3r> Nightrose: thx
[19:42] <Nightrose> yw
[19:44] <Xand3r> Nightrose: when will the lyric widget complete available
[19:44] <Nightrose> when Liw finishes it ;-)
[19:44] <Nightrose> really I have no idea
[19:45] <Xand3r> hmm
[19:47] <yuriy> ScottK: already working on that for other kde packages, I'll add power manager to the list of bugs for next hug day if we're not done with that by tuesday
[19:48] <ScottK> OK.
[19:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: package works fine I'd say
[20:07] <Xand3r> ScottK: screenie-qt is now ready for backportm could you do this?
[20:07] <ScottK> Sure.  What's the bug?
[20:11] <Xand3r> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/244959
[20:11] <Xand3r> thx a lot
[20:40] <Xand3r> hi if a package depends on an other package from backports, have i to include the backport to my ppa depends that it works?
[20:41] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ^
[20:43] <Xand3r> vorian: hi
[20:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: 2 other successful tests
[20:43] <Nightrose> works fine for them
[20:44] <ScottK> Xand3r: I need a statement in the bug that the new revision builds, installs, and runs on Hardy.
[20:46] <davmor2> Riddell: you rang me lord?
[20:52] <Xand3r> ScottK: i gave the statment
[20:53] <Xand3r> ScottK: have i to include the backports in my ppa if i want to build something with the backport qt?
[20:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:53] <ScottK> Xand3r: Approved.  Generally you should set it to confirmed after you test it.
[20:54] <ScottK> Not needed in this case though.
[20:55]  * ScottK notes gnomefreak is conviently absent after nixternal complained about is Flash backport.
[21:08] <nixternal> ScottK: :)
[21:10] <kyleprager> can someone help my trouble shoot my Hardy 8.04 install freezing up on me during normal use?
[21:10] <kyleprager> my search through system logs hasnt turned up anything
[21:11] <ScottK> kyleprager: You probably want #kubuntu for that.
[21:11] <kyleprager> i just tried in there but no one responded for about 15 minutes... its pretty dead in there.  just thought i'd check in here too
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> By the way, good job guys, only 399 bugs left in kdebase!
[21:23] <yuriy> gj JontheEchidna
[21:23] <yuriy> btw, dholbach's harvest is being pretty useful
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: Plus apachelogger and maybe a few others
[21:26] <yuriy> geez though, 399 is still a lot. hope most of those are upstream
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: That's +wishlists too
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> Which guidance modules are dying in Intrepid?
[21:30] <yuriy> powermanager is in its own package now
[21:30] <ScottK> Everything else dies.
[21:30] <yuriy> userconfig i believe is being ported
[21:31] <ScottK> OK.  Not that.
[21:31] <ScottK> How about mountconfig?
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> mountconfig was what I was wondering about
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> afaik there isn't a kcm module for hard disk management
[21:32] <yuriy> userconfig and mountconfig are supposed to be ported but there isn't anybody doing that according to the wiki
[21:32] <yuriy> though I thought someone had volunteered
[21:32]  * JontheEchidna should have checked the todo
[21:41] <yuriy> debdiff attached to bug 243683 please test
[21:59] <yuriy> Riddelll: would bug 241916 go for SRU? there is a patch attached
[22:01] <Riddelll> yuriy: seems a sensible one yes
[22:02] <ScottK> nixternal: If you force remove liflashsupport, does the Flash backport magically improve?
[22:18] <nixternal> ScottK: libflashsupport has been gone
[22:18] <nixternal> doesn't help
[22:19] <ScottK> OK.
[22:19] <ScottK> Urgh.
[22:20] <ScottK> Still no gnomefreak either.
[22:20] <nixternal> I am not the only one with this issue, every poor sap that I told to update is hating me right now in this office :)
[22:20] <nixternal> suckahs!
[22:20] <ScottK> You know backports is crack.  Every now and then we need to prove it.
[22:21]  * ScottK is open to suggestions on how to fix it.
[22:21] <nixternal> backports has been good to me, but we backported a package that adobe labs said to not use until it got fixed
[22:21] <nixternal> ScottK: remove it and wait for the next update if possible
[22:22] <ScottK> Urgh.
[22:23] <ScottK> Riddelll: Can you do a removal from hardy-backports?
[22:24]  * nixternal gets ready to head home and enjoy the weekend....I am totally free this weekend so if you need some Kubuntu work done, message me or highlight me :P
[22:24] <nixternal> later!
[22:25] <ScottK> Riddelll: If you get a moment and you can, I'd appreciate removal of the packages that were backported in Bug 235135
[23:10] <ryanakca> Tm_T: yes, I just got back from a week long vacation, can you poke me on Sunday? I'll be gone again tomorrow :/
[23:12] <vorian> howdy
[23:16] <apachelogger> re
[23:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I just copied the packages over to the kde4 ppa
[23:16] <Nightrose> nice :)
[23:26]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger and snoozes
[23:26] <Nightrose> nini :)
[23:26] <apachelogger> nini Nightrose
[23:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nice flood :S
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Bug report wise?
[23:28] <apachelogger> aye
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> ^_^


[00:16] <mup> Bug #1659692 opened: MAAS Nodes don't rescan RAM when rebooted <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659692>
[00:19] <mup> Bug #1659692 changed: MAAS Nodes don't rescan RAM when rebooted <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659692>
[00:25] <mup> Bug #1659692 opened: MAAS Nodes don't rescan RAM when rebooted <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659692>
[00:25] <mup> Bug #1659694 opened: Cannot set min kernel to hwe-x <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659694>
[03:00] <andrew-ii_> Does the maas controller only proxy apt and ubuntu images? Or, does it need to be reconfigured to allow nodes access to the internet?
[03:10] <andrew-ii_> I'm not sure, but I'd guess that it would have to do with the rules in the maas squid configuration? The file says not to directly modify it, so ... is there another way?
[03:24] <andrew-ii_> Or is it only reasonable to dedicate one NIC on each node to the public network and (at least) one to the internal maas network?
[03:39] <pmatulis> andrew-ii_, maas has a general HTTP proxy that nodes can partake in
[03:39] <andrew-ii_> Is it configured by default?
[03:39] <pmatulis> yes
[03:40] <andrew-ii_> Huh. That's both exactly what I wanted to hear and really disheartening
[03:40] <pmatulis> andrew-ii_, what do you mean?
[03:41] <andrew-ii_> Basically, a deployed node can resolve DNS fine, but it never seems to connect to outside sources
[03:41] <andrew-ii_> As in, a wget will properly be sent, but fails to ever retrieve
[03:41] <pmatulis> can the maas server contact outside sources?
[03:41] <andrew-ii_> Yes
[03:42] <pmatulis> is the maas server also set as the default gateway (for the nodes)?
[03:42] <andrew-ii_> Yes? It is for every subnet
[03:42] <pmatulis> is the maas server able to route node traffic to the internet?
[03:43] <andrew-ii_> I feel like this is where I'm dropping the ball on the configuation: the maas controller does not seem to route traffic to the internet
[03:43] <pmatulis> so you probably need to set up masquerading on the maas server
[03:44] <andrew-ii_> Ah, so that really is the solution. I had seen reference to it, but I hadn't really understood if that was a workaround or a special case
[03:44] <andrew-ii_> Do you have a reference implementation off the top of your head?
[03:45] <andrew-ii_> I'm afraid I am not familiar with proper iptables configuration details yet, but I'll learn if that gets the nodes online
[03:46] <pmatulis> i don't have anything specific on hand
[03:46] <andrew-ii_> (I'm currently at the "chinese room" stage of network configuration understanding
[03:47] <andrew-ii_> No worries. That basically sets me on a course
[03:47] <pmatulis> but you should prolly capture packets on the maas server when a node tries to access an internet resource
[03:47] <pmatulis> to see what's going on
[03:48] <andrew-ii_> Yep. That would probably be a very sensible thing to do
[03:48] <pmatulis> confirm that the requests are at least hitting the maas server but not going out the other interface
[03:48] <andrew-ii_> Really wish that occurred to me sooner :P
[03:49] <andrew-ii_> Do I need to do anything to the nodes? Like set an http_proxy environment variable?
[03:49] <andrew-ii_> Or should the maas controller take the request and route it transparently?
[03:49] <pmatulis> that should already be set
[03:49] <andrew-ii_> Cool
[03:49] <pmatulis> also, confirm that the maas proxy config file has an ACL for your particular subnet. it is supposed to include one automatically but i have seen it happen that this is broken
[03:50] <andrew-ii_> Last I checked it did, but I'm double checking now
[03:50] <pmatulis> /var/lib/maas/maas-proxy.conf
[03:51] <pmatulis> you can also set a custom/upstream proxy
[03:51] <pmatulis> read here: https://docs.ubuntu.com/maas/2.1/en/installconfig-proxy
[03:52] <andrew-ii_> Nothing upstream yet, and the proxy has the acl localnet src 10.x.x.x subnets
[03:54] <pmatulis> and this is the maas-proxy log, to see HIT/MISS or DENIED: /var/log/maas/proxy/access.log
[03:55] <andrew-ii_> Alrighty, releasing, redeploying, and checking this out fresh
[03:58] <andrew-ii_> Is there any reason to put the maas proxy in the proxy field? That would be redundant, right?
[03:58] <pmatulis> right, redundant
[03:59] <andrew-ii_> Like if my controller was <IP_ADDRESS>, putting http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3128 in the field is silly
[03:59] <pmatulis> right
[03:59] <andrew-ii_> ok, that's a whole set of things I need not try again
[04:01] <andrew-ii_> Oh, and thanks a mil - just getting confirmation of proper/expected behavior is huge! It will save me huge amounts of second guessing
[04:02] <pmatulis> i guess the docs are not clear then. please open a bug if you have suggestions on how to improve them: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/maas-docs/issues/new
[04:03] <andrew-ii_> My money is that it's just a hidden learning curve for newbs
[04:04] <andrew-ii_> I know just enough to sorta make sense of it, but not enough to be wise to the actual cause of the trouble
[04:08] <pmatulis> alright, i need to retire. do leave a msg on how you make out and i'll see it tomorrow
[04:08] <andrew-ii_> I appreciate the help immensely; Sleep well!
[05:06] <andrew-ii_> pmatulis: Turns out your first note was spot on: I needed to properly set up the iptables masquerade. I followed the setup at the end of http://askubuntu.com/a/594723 - I think my settings were just out of place *and* I missed the net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 setting. Way back I had a configuration that *did* have it set, but then the masquerade was wrong.
[05:09] <andrew-ii_> The answer links to a tutorial at http://wiki.cloudbase.it/maas that notes the settings that set the NAT from the private network to the public.
[08:22] <jlec__> Hi roaksoax Do you have time for a short query?
[09:20] <brendand> jlec__, roaksoax isn't around at this time, what's your query?
[10:56] <jlec__> brendand: lou peers referenced me to roaksoax regarding some questions I have around Maas.
[10:57] <brendand> jlec__, you can ask them here and he'll see them, or maybe someone else can help
[10:57] <jlec__> I am looking for documentation for creating custom images.
[10:57] <jlec__> Secondly the CentOS 7 images from Canonical do not work for me. Maas will not assign IP adresses to the nodes
[11:14] <brendand> jlec__, are you using MAAS 2.x?
[11:14] <jlec__> brendand: yes, latest on the LTS
[12:49] <zeestrat> Hey, is there a recommended boot device order for nodes managed by MAAS? |PXE,Disk|, |Disk,PXE| or just |PXE|?
[13:02] <MrLeau> I believe pxe as to be first but for the rest I'm don't know
[13:33] <brendand> zeestrat, always pxe first. i believe it *should* work with just pxe, but not positive
[14:43] <vogelc> has anyone had success deploying centos with LVM?  All my nodes are deployed with flat storage.
[15:31] <roaksoax> jlec: maas doesn't configure networking manuallyt for centos. we only assign a DHCP address for the PXE interface in CentOS
[15:32] <roaksoax> zeestrat: if your machine supports being told to PXE every time MAAS power manages it, it doens't matter
[15:33] <roaksoax> zeestrat: maas will tell the machine to PXE every time when you do an action, but if that is not supporte din the BMC, then you will need to make sure to set the boot order
[16:24] <vogelc> Trying to install a custom storage layout with LVM.  all the partitions are created but curtin fails because it tries to install grub on /dev/dm-0.  Is there a way to direct curtin not to try /dev/dm-0?
[16:41] <mup> Bug #1659891 opened: Trusty deploy fails, with unrecognised disk label, on nodes commissioned with Xenial <cdoqa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659891>
[16:59] <mup> Bug #1659891 changed: Trusty deploy fails, with unrecognised disk label, on nodes commissioned with Xenial <cdo-qa-blocker> <cdoqa> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659891>
[17:04] <thiagolib> Hi, I'm having the following problem with maas-region-controller on ubuntu 16.04 when trying to reinstall the package I'm getting the errors below.
[17:04] <thiagolib> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23875672/
[17:04] <thiagolib> I believe it is because it verifies that there is already a database and an admin user.
[17:07] <stokachu> thiagolib, ah i see you're here
[17:12] <thiagolib> stokachu: I came in a few minutes ago.
[17:12] <stokachu> thiagolib, cool, these be the people that can help with your problem
[21:01] <mup> Bug #1659948 opened: stuck tgt and tgt-admin, super slow boot <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659948>
[21:27] <cj9255> Anyone do freelance for MaaS Deployment?
[21:36] <bdx> just wondering ... is there a kub power driver floating around anywhere?
[21:46] <mup> Bug #1659959 opened: [2.2b1] Cannot add a device from the dashboard  <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659959>
[21:52] <mup> Bug #1659960 opened: LVM support in non Ubuntu OS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659960>
[21:57] <g3> Hello there
[21:57] <g3> When using device discovery, can one add that as a machine?
[22:18] <g3> Hmmm so I went to commision four new servers
[22:18] <g3> and in MAAS they are showing up with no drives
[22:19] <g3> But in the full output of 00-maas-07-block-devices.out from the commissioning script
[22:19] <g3> it found all 15 drives
[22:26] <g3> buut it found them on the second try at commisioning?
[22:31] <g3> andrew-ii where you at!
[23:17] <andrew-ii> Hi!
[23:18] <andrew-ii> g3 - I dunno about it
[23:18] <andrew-ii> I would actually be curious to know if the system can use any previous knowledge when commissioning a second time
[23:19] <andrew-ii> If so, that may explain why it figured out your drive array the second time (but I wouldn't know :( )
[23:35] <mup> Bug #1659982 opened: [2.2b1, UI] When in the node listing, the top menu disappears when scrolling down (when too many machines) <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659982>