[00:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: newhoa has a great point!
[03:01] <bluesabre> Unit193, newhoa: Good call! I’ll tag releases for elementary-xfce and Greybird in the next day or two and get them uploaded.
[03:02] <Unit193> If Debian #1037385 can be fixed, all the better.
[03:02] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1037385 in elementary-xfce-icon-theme "elementary-xfce-icon-theme: gnome-netstatus-idle.png is missing in status/48" [Normal, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1037385
[05:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: You've got a thunar and xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin incoming.
[11:22] <bluesabre> https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/v0.18
[11:29] <bluesabre> https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.23.3
[11:30] <bluesabre> ochosi: Hope you don't mind! With those releases tagged, I'll work on debian packaging tonight/tomorrow.
[12:55] <newhoa> bluesabre: Thanks for the icon merges and release!


[23:39] <BobJonkman1> New venue for Ubuntu Hour Kitchener, Cafe Pyrus.  Not many people, but bood gingerbread muffins -- more for me!


[08:06] <aman> plz help
[11:20] <popey> @schedule
[11:21] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 15 May 13:00: Community Council | 15 May 15:00: Kernel Team | 16 May 12:00: Edubuntu | 17 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 18 May 20:00: Forum Council | 20 May 17:00: Xubuntu Developers


[12:27] <lophyte> !seen superm1
[12:27] <ubotu> superm1 is on IRC right now!
[12:27] <lophyte> he is?
[12:27] <lophyte> o_o
[12:27] <superm1> hehe
[12:27] <superm1> Hi
[12:28] <lophyte> hehe
[12:28] <lophyte> hiya
[12:28] <lophyte> I *may* get that box by the weekend..
[12:32] <geser> night
[02:04] <chillywilly> wtf is an "Eft" anyway?
[02:06] <lophyte> wikipedia?
[02:06] <chillywilly> Ent would've been much cooler ;)
[02:12] <Hawkwind> a newt in its terrestrial stage of development
[02:12] <Hawkwind> Google.com and type  define:eft  :P
[02:15] <chillywilly> electronic fund trasnfer ;)
[02:15] <chillywilly> funds*
[02:15] <chillywilly> j/k
[02:53] <ajmitch> too warm in the office today
[03:06] <theCore> hello, all
[03:06] <theCore> does somebody could sync a package for me?
[03:07] <theCore> I got a UVF exception approval, but I can't do the sync because I'm not a MOTU (yet :)
[03:08] <pirast> which bug report is it?
[03:09] <pirast> subscribing ubuntu-archive should be sufficent
[03:09] <pirast> theCore
[03:10] <theCore> bug 64535
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64535 in libming "UVF Exception: libming (0.3beta1) -> ming (0.3.0)" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64535
[03:11] <theCore> pirast, ^
[03:11] <pirast> theCore, it should be sufficent to subscribe ubuntu-archive, which I already did for you.. that worked for 5 uvf exceptions for me..
[03:11] <theCore> how I do that?
[03:11] <theCore> it's a mailing list?
[03:11] <ajmitch> theCore: please write it up according to the sync request requirements
[03:11] <pirast> in the bug report you click on "Subscribe"
[03:12] <theCore> oh
[03:12] <pirast> err
[03:12] <theCore> I get it now
[03:12] <pirast> in the bug report you click on "Subscribe Someone Else"
[03:12] <ajmitch> which means you have to include the debian changelog entries
[03:12] <pirast> enter ubuntu-archive in the file and press add
[03:12] <ajmitch> otherwise the archive admins will just tell you no
[03:12] <ajmitch> please do it before you subscribe..
[03:12] <theCore> ajmitch, they're all there in the bug
[03:13] <ajmitch> no they're not
[03:13] <ajmitch> you have the upstream changelog diff
[03:13] <theCore> what, I need post them explicitly?
[03:13] <ajmitch> you need the debian/changelog entries
[03:13] <theCore> ok, I will upload them
[03:14] <ajmitch> just paste it in, please
[03:14] <pirast> ajmitch, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF does not mention it.. and it worked for me 5 times..
[03:15] <theCore> ajmitch, no diff
[03:15] <theCore> ajmitch, just the changelog?
[03:16] <ajmitch> just the new changelog entries
[03:16] <ajmitch> eg https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pybluez/+bug/65519
[03:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65519 in pybluez "pybluez: 0.7-3build1 -> 0.9.1-1 - please sync from Debian" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:16] <ajmitch> has the debian changelog entries
[03:16] <theCore> ajmitch, ok thanks
[03:16] <ajmitch> pirast: it really is best to just paste stuff now rather than be turned down later
[03:16] <pirast> ajmitch, yeah you are right..
[03:17] <ajmitch> especially since we're in archive freeze mode
[03:17] <ajmitch> so everything needs approved
[03:17] <imbrandon_> heya ajmitch
[03:17] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon_
[03:19] <pirast> could anyone maybe have a look at bug 65289?
[03:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65289 in skribe "not installable, not buildable" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65289
[03:20] <pirast> it seems to me that we have only two solutions ; delete it from edgy or somehow fix skribe to compile with a newer bigloo version
[03:20] <pirast> when you have an other idea, please write it down there..
[03:20] <pirast> thanks
[03:21] <pirast> 03:21.. going to bed now..
[03:21] <pirast> night
[03:21] <ajmitch> night
[03:21] <theCore> pirast, thanks for the help
[03:21] <pirast> theCore, np..
[03:22] <ajmitch> oh well
[03:26] <theCore> I upload it the changelog
[03:26] <theCore> I hope it will be okay
[03:26] <ajmitch> they prefer that just the changes for the sync be pasted, but oh well
[03:26] <ajmitch> we'll see
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:41] <ajmitch> good afternoon
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:48] <chillywilly> hey bddebian
[03:51] <bddebian> Hi chillywilly
[03:58] <ajmitch> 3rd party package breakage..
[03:58] <ajmitch> sigh
[04:52] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[04:53] <ajmitch> Toadstool: you can't go? :(
[04:53] <Toadstool> nope, too much work
[04:53] <ajmitch> sad
[04:53] <Toadstool> yup :(
[04:54] <Toadstool> I swear I will go to the next one ;)
[04:57] <Toadstool> hmm, we're in RC freeze for Universe too?
[04:58] <ajmitch> yes
[04:58] <ajmitch> so we need to know & approve uploads
[04:59] <Toadstool> ok, good to know, I was not sure, I read tfheen in a rush between 2 meetings :p
[04:59] <Toadstool> +'s mail
[05:19] <Toadstool> wow I love apport-retrace
[05:22] <BHSPitMonkey> hmm
[05:25] <Hobbsee> BHSPitMonkey: not here.  and usually in #ubuntu-devel anyway
[05:25] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee
[05:25] <BHSPitMonkey> Hobbsee, he hasn't been in there, either :(
[05:25] <Hobbsee> hey Toadstool
[05:25] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: dark side?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> BHSPitMonkey: he's likely asleep or something then
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: yeah.  like, apt ubuntu-desktop type badside
[05:26] <BHSPitMonkey> Hobbsee, for a day?
[05:26] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: haha
[05:26] <ajmitch> BHSPitMonkey: why do you need keybuk?
[05:26] <BHSPitMonkey> I just wanted to ask him something
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: i dont know if it's worth it though
[05:26] <BHSPitMonkey> it's not as frantic as I made it out to sound
[05:27] <ajmitch> yes, like asking for him twice earlier, only a few minutes apart :)
[05:28] <BHSPitMonkey> do what?
[05:28] <BHSPitMonkey> oh
[05:28] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: believe me, it's worth trying :p
[05:28] <BHSPitMonkey> well more people joined, and nobody had responded
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: yeah, but for edgy, or edgy+1?
[05:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: DO IT!!
[05:29] <Toadstool> :)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: but...gnome is gnomelike...
[05:29] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: NOW!!
[05:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:29] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: full of gnomy goodness!
[05:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:29] <ajmitch> tastes better!
[05:30] <ajmitch> works smarter!
[05:30] <Hobbsee> last time i tried it anyway
[05:31] <Toadstool> :D
[05:36] <ajmitch> nice, new UWN - thanks Burgundavia :)
[05:36] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: your welcome
[05:36] <Burgundavia> read it and find out
[05:36] <ajmitch> oh you mentioned f-spot as well
[05:36] <Burgundavia> the names who worked on each issue are clearly laid out
[05:37] <ajmitch> so 3 of the packages I worked on got mentioned - nice
[05:37] <ajmitch> (phpgroupware was mentioned in backports)
[05:38] <ajmitch> make that 4, I helped with ironpython
[05:38] <ajmitch> an unusual week :)
[05:40] <Toadstool> let's call this issue ajmitch weekly newsletter ;)
[05:41] <ajmitch> Toadstool: my efforts are but a drop in the bucket compared to everyone else :)
[05:41] <Toadstool> right.. :)
[05:42] <Toadstool> my efforts miss the bucket then :p
[05:42] <ajmitch> haha
[05:42] <ajmitch> not at all
[05:43] <Toadstool> anyway, I am falling asleep on my keyboard, time to go to bed
[05:43] <Toadstool> cya
[05:43] <ajmitch> bye Toadstool
[05:43] <ajmitch> hi nictuku
[05:44] <nictuku> hello ajmitch
[05:46] <chillywilly> hi
[05:54] <chillywilly> bah, this is taking a bit of time ;P
[07:27] <yoshiznit124> would it be helpful to motu if i included my own debian/ directory in my project, or would they still have write their own packaging stuff?
[07:27] <Hobbsee> yoshiznit124: it wouldnt.  it's highly annoying
[07:27] <yoshiznit124> hmm
[07:28] <yoshiznit124> how so? and how could i make it easier for inclusion into main?
[07:28] <yoshiznit124> for the motu people, that is
[07:30] <yoshiznit124> hobbsee, how so? and how could i make it easier for inclusion into main?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[07:31] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[07:32] <minghua> yoshiznit124: you are free to put a debian/ dir in your project, but please don't put it in your released tarball
[07:34] <yoshiznit124> minghua, ok cool. the thing is i'd like to provide deb packages, but i don't have time to full-time motu
[07:38] <minghua> yoshiznit124: sounds good, that way impatient users can use your unofficial packaging, and the Debian/Ubuntu maintainers will use your released tarball and your debian/ dir won't get in the way
[07:39] <minghua> yoshiznit124: I'd also like to ask you to make the version of your packages (debian/changelog) clearly showing that they are not from Debian/Ubuntu, thanks
[07:40] <yoshiznit124> minghua, ok
[08:20] <Kagou> morning
[08:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch: about?
[08:58] <Lathiat> when is slomo usually around?
[09:10] <dholbach> good morning
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Hey dholbach
[09:12] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu
[09:17] <elmargol> to bad that edgy is frozen :( shipping edgy with broken ipod 6thgen support just sucks :(
[09:20] <tepsipakki> elmargol: depends how intrusive changes would be needed
[09:23] <tepsipakki> elmargol: you mean gtkpod-0.99.8 would be needed?
[09:23] <tepsipakki> and libgpod 0.4.0
[09:24] <tepsipakki> it just sucks that gtkpod upstream doesn't release more often ;)
[09:25] <tepsipakki> what kind of a jump is it from 0.99.4 to 0.99.8 ?-)
[09:28] <tepsipakki> elmargol: you can file an UVF-exception and see how it goes
[09:33] <elmargol> tepsipakki: I think the problem is libgpod is used by a lot of applications, rhythmbox, amarok, banshee, gpodder, gtkpod...
[09:33] <elmargol> seb mentioned that the 0.4.0 version breaks API
[11:11] <ajmitch> Lathiat: slomo is away on holiday
[11:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ah right
[11:24] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:28] <\sh> moins
[11:29] <\sh> omni backup is running nicely on ubuntu dapper server ... creating a package now ,)
[11:29] <ajmitch> yay
[01:45] <phanatic> good afternoon
[01:49] <ctrlsoft> hi phanatic
[01:50] <phanatic> hi ctrlsoft
[01:50] <sladen> yo people
[02:06] <ajmitch> hi
[02:19] <ajmitch> sigh
[02:20] <ajmitch> I said I was going to get an early night..
[02:20] <ajmitch> but it's past 1AM again
[02:21] <\sh> hehe
[02:22] <ajmitch> night :)
[02:24] <kristog> hello
[02:49] <Tonio_> hello
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:39] <lophyte> howdy
[03:40] <bddebian> Hello lophyte
[03:41] <lophyte> how's it going?
[03:41] <bddebian> Busy (unfortunately not with Ubuntu stuff :-( ).  You?
[03:42] <lophyte> trying to get unbuffered stream output from a child process in python
[03:43] <bddebian> Joy :)
[03:43] <lophyte> yeah :P
[03:43] <lophyte> its a real pain.. I'm beginning to get the feeling you can't do it
[04:58] <superm1> So, how does one sign local binary packages built by pbuilder?  It seems like you would just pass a -sa and a -k0xXXXXXX, but I'm not sure.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> superm1: why do you want to sign a binary package?
[05:00] <superm1> i'm looking to put up a local repository
[05:00] <superm1> and wanted to sign the packages when building them for it
[05:02] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:02] <superm1> I was assuming that would allieviate the authentication errors once I imported my GPG key to the keyring and used signed packages
[05:02] <superm1> makes testing things in a local network a little smoother
[05:15] <imbrandon> no you need to sign the release file
[05:15] <imbrandon> nothing to do with the packages
[05:15] <superm1> Oh, there is no need to sign packages
[05:15] <imbrandon> e.g i can put precompiled packages from you in my repo but as long as you have my key you dont get the warning
[05:15] <superm1> oh i see.  that makes more sense anyhow
[05:16] <imbrandon> correct, its all in how you make the repo
[05:16] <imbrandon> personaly i use falcon and it takes care of all this, but i'm sure you can read the man for what ever you use to make the repo
[05:16] <superm1> well i was going to assemble this using falcon, but was having trouble finding its source
[05:16] <superm1> at least on the LP page
[05:17] <imbrandon> if you think about it the packages in the ubuntu repo are signed by many hundreds of people
[05:17] <imbrandon> but the repo is signed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:17] <imbrandon> its on any seveas mirror ( e.g seveas.imbrandon.com )
[05:17] <superm1> well i was thinking that possibly it signed during the build process by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as well
[05:18] <imbrandon> in the extras component
[05:18] <superm1> oh okay great
[05:18] <superm1> thx
[05:18] <lophyte> heya superm1
[05:18] <superm1> hey lophyte
[05:18] <lophyte> how's it going?
[05:18] <superm1> alright
[05:18] <imbrandon> fyi the dapper deb works fine on edgy but feel free to rebuild from source
[05:19] <superm1> is it going to make it into universe eventually?
[05:20] <Mez> imbrandon, what's falcomn ?
[05:20] <superm1> https://launchpad.net/products/falcon
[05:21] <imbrandon> Mez, a repo maintaner
[05:21] <imbrandon> builds and maintains and mirrors a personal repo
[05:21] <superm1> its supposed to greatly simplify the process so you dont have to manually do dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources and sign and such
[05:21] <imbrandon> like the one on imbrandon.com ( or any of seveas's repos ) and a few others
[05:23] <Mez> imbrandon, lol - I built a signing script for repos... I believe Riddell used it for a while
[05:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:25] <imbrandon> Mez, well this was made by seveas, its actualy builds the dists and alot of other maint things
[05:25] <imbrandon> not just signing the repo ;)
[05:29] <Mez> ;)
[05:29] <\sh> hmm...export SUDO_FORCE_REMOVE=yes ; apt-get install sudo-ldap libnss-ldap libpam-ldap ldap-utils ; some magic in ldap.conf, copy one ssl pem file, adjusted /etc/pam.d all in all 5 mins and ubuntu server was inserted in our ldap user auth environment
[05:29] <Mez> YEAH THIS DID TOO - IT WORKED FROM A POOL AND THEN BUIOLTS STUFF
[05:29] <Mez> darn caps
[05:30] <\sh> and no compile orgy for sudo with ldap support as on suse
[05:53] <superm1> imbrandon, so about falcon though, what exactly is the hold up for it getting into universe?
[05:55] <Adri2000> what's correct in english: "replace x by y" or "replace x to y" ? I think the first one is better
[05:56] <lophyte> replace x with y
[05:56] <Adri2000> ahh, ok
[05:56] <lophyte> or x was replaced by y
[05:57] <Adri2000> ok
[05:57] <imbrandon> superm1, seveas the upstream author dosent want it in /yet/, it will be for edgy+1
[05:58] <superm1> i see
[06:04] <Adri2000> I need someone on amd64 to try to build a package, please :)
[06:15] <Adri2000> someone on amd64: apt-get source djplay, and apply the debdiff http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/djplay_0.3.0-0ubuntu2.debdiff, if it builds and works, it's good :)
[06:15] <superm1> Adri2000, I can queue her up
[06:25] <Adri2000> superm1: sorry, I don't understand what you mean :s
[06:25] <superm1> Adri2000, I started a build for it on my amd64 box at home
[06:26] <superm1> Adri2000, I'm at work though, so 'll be able to tell you if it builds, but if its not text based i cant check how well it runs
[06:27] <Adri2000> ok, yes it's gui based, but if it builds it's already a good point, thank you :)
[06:28] <superm1> Not a problem
[06:28] <superm1> :0
[06:28] <superm1> is it a big build?
[06:29] <Adri2000> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/djplay/+builds?build_state=all :p
[06:29] <superm1> k good.
[06:30] <superm1> No it did error out
[06:30] <Adri2000> ah :(
[06:30] <superm1> let me make a pastebin of where it errored
[06:30] <finalbeta> (I might be in the wrong channel, if so, send me packing in the right way). I'm writing a spec, but I'm an end user. looking for someone who is willing to have a look at it and say if it's even sane or on the right way. ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartitionConfigure )
[06:30] <superm1> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/3914
[06:32] <Adri2000> ahhhhhhhhh, shame on me, I forgot to patch one line
[06:32] <superm1> hehe
[06:36] <Adri2000> superm1: should be ok now, the debdiff is at the same adress
[06:45] <tucoz> does neutrinomass hang around here some time?
[06:50] <tucoz> \sh_away, hi,i see that you created the nedit package for edgy. The problem is that nedit does not work in edgy as described in this bug report https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nedit/+bug/57808
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57808 in nedit "nedit does not start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[06:53] <tucoz> the reason that i come here, is that there has been little movement wrt that bug lately.
[06:57] <Adri2000> superm1 gone :( anyone else on 64 bits ?
[06:59] <superm1> Adri2000, looks to have built fine this time
[07:00] <Adri2000> great :) thanks again
[07:01] <superm1> not a problem, glad to help :)
[07:08] <Adri2000> dholbach: ping :)
[07:08] <dholbach> Adri2000: pong!
[07:09] <Adri2000> dholbach: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/djplay_0.3.0-0ubuntu2.debdiff is that ok for upload?
[07:09] <dholbach> Adri2000: tested on amd64?
[07:11] <Adri2000> superm1 just said it builds, and someone on the upstream mailing list who gave me the original patch says it builds and it works. And Gloubiboulga and me tested on x86, it still builds and works :)
[07:11] <dholbach> ok
[07:11] <dholbach> go ahead
[07:12] <Adri2000> ok, cool :))
[07:57] <dholbach> have a nice weekend
[08:00] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: :)
[08:00] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: sync request on planner done.
[08:00] <dholbach> i saw it
[09:08] <ajmitch> morning
[09:08] <lophyte> heya
[09:09] <Q-FUNK> *yawn*
[09:24] <lophyte> !seen superm1
[09:24] <ubotu> I last saw superm1 (n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1) 48m 57s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[10:55] <finalbeta> Don't know if this is the right channel, so sry if no. I'm writing a spec about a feature that would let ubuntu handle adding of physical drives/ mounting of partitions for end desktop users. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartitionConfigure if you have some time, please have a read, tell me if it's possible, change edit scratch etc. thnx
[10:56] <ajmitch> ok,  how is it different from the disks admin tool that is/was in the admin menu?
[10:57] <ajmitch> looks like it could be useful though, especially with things like the UUID-based mounting we have that confuses people
[10:57] <finalbeta> the forums already have several questions about those uuid's, they didn't make it any less confusing.
[10:58] <finalbeta> This would just notice that the layout has changed, and offer some standard choises in a GUIish way. This would keep the users away from fstab.
[10:59] <finalbeta> Well, away... Would make linux less scaring for new users :p
[11:02] <finalbeta> I think at first it could stay simple and just detect new local file systems that could be mounted, and auto mount them if the user wants.


[02:05] <nived> when I start up my ubuntu 10.10, it says i'm missing the firmware for my broadcom wireless card and drops me into the command line. also, X won't start. This may or may not be related to my NVIDIA drivers. I'm totally lost at this point, can anyone help me?
[02:06] <stlsaint> nived: what type of card do you have?
[02:07] <cprofitt> nived: the drop to command line is video related
[02:08] <cprofitt> the wireless card, is highly unlikely to cause that
[02:08] <cprofitt> nived: can you do an lspci | grep VGA at the command line
[02:08] <cprofitt> that would tell us what video card you have
[02:08] <nived> stlsaint: network controller broadcom corp bcm4306 802.11b/g wireless lan controller 14e4:4320
[02:09] <nived> cprofitt: nvidia geforce 6200
[02:09] <stlsaint> aye i should have specified for graphics card, sorry
[02:09] <cprofitt> nived did you get X at all after install?
[02:09] <cprofitt> I am just curious if you tried to load the nvidia drivers or not
[02:09] <nived> i odn't undertand your question
[02:10] <cprofitt> immediately after install -- were you dumped to the command line
[02:10] <cprofitt> or did you get X?
[02:11] <cprofitt> if you did not load the proprietary drives we can try installing them from the command line
[02:11] <nived> i've spent the last day trying to get the nvidia drivers to work. this is not actually my computer, it's my friend's. i got ubuntu working for him last night. today he tried to install different nvidia drivers, drivers that i think were the wrong ones, and called me over to help him. i installed a different set of drivers that someone in #ubuntu said should work, and it made new xorg.conf files
[02:11] <nived> i'm actually able to start x without a xorg.conf file
[02:11] <nived> and yes, it was working last night after the install
[02:12] <cprofitt> yes, I think the 6200 might need the older drivers
[02:12] <nived> i installed the drivers by downloading them and bringing them over via usb
[02:12] <cprofitt> the 96 version should work for that card
[02:13] <cprofitt> I have a 6800 on one of my computers... I can check the version I have running on that one
[02:13] <nived> the 96 version is the one i'mm using now
[02:13] <cprofitt> though I have 10.04 running on that machine, so that might not be a good fit
[02:13] <nived> the one i brought over via usb
[02:13] <cprofitt> actually it looks like the 6200 should support -current
[02:13] <nived> here are the error messages found with dmesg | grep ERROR
[02:13] <nived> 20:12] <nived> error: unable to locate IOAPIC for GSI 8 [20:12] <nived> repeats for GSI 13, 6, 4, 7, 12, 1, 10 [20:12] <nixnoob> fucked if I know what THAT means [20:13] <nived> and it can't find firmware files "b43/ucode5.fw" or "b43-open/ucode5.fw"
[02:14] <cprofitt> can you get his computer on a physical drop?
[02:14] <nived> i don't know what you mean
[02:14] <cprofitt> it would make it easier to install the drivers
[02:14] <nived> i have his computer in front of me if that's what you're asking
[02:14] <cprofitt> yes, but can you put it on the Internet
[02:14] <nived> it's connected to the internet
[02:14] <cprofitt> so you can use apt-get install nvidia-current
[02:14] <nived> k, trying that
[02:14] <cprofitt> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[02:15] <cprofitt> ok
[02:15] <nived> says nvidia-current is already the newest version
[02:15] <cprofitt> hmm... so your -96 install did not work...
[02:16] <nived> i brought them over on a usb drive
[02:16] <nived> mounted the usb drive
[02:16] <cprofitt> yes, but apparently the drivers are not the ones active
[02:16] <nived> and used sudo sh for the NVIDIA-blah-blah-pkg0.run file
[02:16] <nived> then repeated for the pkg1.run file
[02:17] <cprofitt> try doing sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-96
[02:18] <cprofitt> what errors do you get if you try startx
[02:19] <nived> [20:18] <nixnoob> um [20:18] <nixnoob> no... [20:18] <nixnoob> you don't want to use any of the .deb packages [20:18] <nixnoob> they haven't made any for these new .run files yet [20:18] <nived> why? [20:18] <nixnoob> they don't work [20:18] <nixnoob> not with the latest X server than 10.10 comes with by default
[02:19] <cprofitt> that is in your terminal?
[02:20] <nived> no, no
[02:20] <cprofitt> that looks like another irc convo
[02:20] <nived> yes
[02:20] <cprofitt> so in terminal try
[02:20] <cprofitt> startx
[02:20] <cprofitt> does x start or fail...
[02:20] <cprofitt> if it fails what are the errors?
[02:20] <nived> startx says failed to load module nvidia because module does not exist, 0, and no drivers available
[02:20] <nived> also fatal server error: no screens found
[02:20] <cprofitt> ok... lets purge and reinstall then
[02:21] <nived> alright
[02:21] <nived> what are we purging?
[02:21] <cprofitt> sudo apt-get --purge remov nvidia-current
[02:21] <cprofitt> sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-current
[02:21] <cprofitt> that way it should not say that it is installed -- and any config files should be wiped
[02:21] <nived> done
[02:21] <nived> now what?
[02:21] <cprofitt> if it were not for the config files I would just do a reinstall
[02:22] <cprofitt> ok... lets try rebooting and seeing if you get X again
[02:22] <nived> i can try a reinstall
[02:22] <nived> what's the command from the cli to reboot?
[02:22] <nived> other than standing up, hopping over to the tower, and manually pressing the button?
[02:23] <stlsaint> nived: sudo reboot
[02:23] <cprofitt> thanks stlsaint
[02:23] <cprofitt> +1 to sudo reboot
[02:23] <stlsaint> ;)
[02:24] <nived> same errors
[02:24] <nived> unable to locate IOAPIC for GIS 8, 13, 6, 4, 7, 12, 1, 10
[02:25] <cprofitt> so it rebooted and fell apart, heh?
[02:25] <nived> and can't find firmware files "b43/ucode5.fw" and "b43-open/ucode5.fw"
[02:25] <nived> yep. dropped me back into the shel
[02:25] <nived> l
[02:25] <cprofitt> does he have any data on it yet?
[02:25] <nived> who?
[02:25] <cprofitt> the owner of the laptop
[02:25] <nived> uh
[02:25] <nived> the ubuntu is on the desktop
[02:26] <nived> i'm on a windows laptop right now to be on IRC
[02:26] <cprofitt> ok... on the desktop is there any data on it yet or can you simply do a reinstall?
[02:26] <nived> i can do a reinstall
[02:26] <nived> although i had some issues during the initial install
[02:26] <cprofitt> there are times that finding the needle in the heystack is not worth the effort
[02:27] <cprofitt> haystack even
[02:27] <nived> alright, booting up from the normal install disk
[02:27] <nived> we've also got the alternate one somewhere around here
[02:28] <cprofitt> ok
[02:28] <cprofitt> The poll caused issed for folks
[02:28] <nived> poll?
[02:28] <cprofitt> they actually checked Monday @ 2400 and not Tuesday @ 00:00
[02:28] <cprofitt> though they are the same time
[02:29] <cprofitt> Tuesday 00:00 has 6 of 9
[02:29] <cprofitt> Tuesday @ 24:00 has 7 of 9
[02:29] <cprofitt> and she is famous
[02:30] <cprofitt> 7 of 9 was the best the poll did
[02:32] <SPooN> hey guys, I have a  question about Linux Mint actually. Does anyone know if Skype would work on Mint?
[02:33] <nived> yes, spoon
[02:33] <nived> it would work just fine, according to this forum: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=508591
[02:33] <SPooN> thank you very much nived :)
[02:33] <nived> np spoon
[02:34] <nived> cprofitt: should i erase and use the entire disk or specify partitions manually? someone told me that I should manually use ext2 rather than ext4
[02:35] <cprofitt> ext2?
[02:35] <cprofitt> no, I would use ext4
[02:35] <cprofitt> I would just choose the entire disk
[02:35] <Chesamo> why would someone tell you to use ext2?? They must be stuck in 1995
[02:36] <SPooN> linux mint is looking really good.
[02:36] <SPooN> I was born in 95 :P
[02:36]  * Cheri703 feels really old
[02:36] <Chesamo> ...
[02:36]  * Chesamo also feels old.
[02:36] <nived> chesamo: they said they were having problems with ext4 so reformatted to ext2 and had fewer problems
[02:36]  * nived fools eld
[02:37] <cprofitt> I don't fell old...  I get a dialy dose of HCIAO
[02:38] <cprofitt> Holy Crap I Am Old
[02:38]  * SPooN feels like a youngling nerd
[02:38]  * nived feels proud for figuring out that acronym before you said that
[02:38] <aluex> i love the screen saver MatrixView, and i would like to know where the pics it shows are?
[02:38] <nived> fly, fledgling
[02:38] <aluex> thanks
[02:38] <cprofitt> SPooN: no... youngling geek... though not that young
[02:38] <cprofitt> my youngest is 3 and using Ubuntu already
[02:39] <SPooN> thats awesome!
[02:39] <cprofitt> she was born in 2007
[02:39] <SPooN> I'm the oldest of 3 and the only techie of the family
[02:39] <cprofitt> all three of my kids have their own computers
[02:39] <cprofitt> the oldest is in First Lego League this year
[02:39] <SPooN> I installed skype and got a webcam for my grandfather, who lives in France, so that we could communicate. He hasn't opened the box of the webcam
[02:39] <cprofitt> she is 5th grade
[02:39] <cprofitt> born in 2000
[02:40] <SPooN> you, are an awesome parent
[02:40]  * cprofitt shudders when he hears Skype
[02:40] <cprofitt> no, not awesome... just a geek
[02:40]  * SPooN wonders whats wrong with skype?
[02:40] <cprofitt> it keeps a connection open on your computer and sends messages frequently
[02:41]  * aluex wonders when to be heard ..
[02:41] <cprofitt> it may be nice if you need to use it like a phone, but if you can schedule calls it would be better to use a not always on program
[02:41] <SPooN> which means what in 15yo language?
[02:41] <SPooN> I mean, you can just close the program
[02:41] <nived> it's bad[/simple english]
[02:41] <nived> =P
[02:41] <cprofitt> SPooN: it is a security hole and who knows what data is being sent to the mother ship
[02:41] <cprofitt> aluex: you may type at any time
[02:42]  * Cheri703 is somewhat older than stlsaint
[02:42] <SPooN> okie
[02:43] <aluex> cprofitt, i m sorry. i just want to know where the pictures the screen saver MatrixView displays are..
[02:43]  * SPooN closes Skype
[02:43] <nived> okay, cprofitt
[02:44] <nived> i'm receiving this advice from someone else, tell me if you agree with it
[02:44] <nived> "reboot and get into a recovery mode, drop to root shell, telinit 3 if you need to, (you'll know if you go to install the .run binaries and they advise you to) and "sh nvidia-blah-blah-0.run" and then the other one, one after the other, and then reboot, and everything should be OK"
[02:45] <cprofitt> nived: worth a try...
[02:45] <cprofitt> if it doesn't work you can reinstall then
[02:46] <nived> no, i mean
[02:46] <nived> he advises doing that after the reinstall
[02:46] <cprofitt> I have not had a driver issue go that deep for me ... so unfamiliar with the advice
[02:46] <cprofitt> wouldn't that depend on the reinstall having the errors?
[02:46] <guest1> newb here trying to learn bash shell and for some reason I cannot use relative paths in ubuntu
[02:47] <guest1> absolute paths traverse directories fine
[02:47] <nived> well i mean
[02:47] <nived> if you're in /usr
[02:47] <nived> trying to go to /usr/bin
[02:47] <nived> just cd bin
[02:49] <guest1> it won't allow me to move from any directory unless I type the absolute path
[02:50] <guest1> so if pwd and Im in home/username and want to go to desktop I have to type the whole path to  go to desktop
[02:50] <stlsaint> guest1: or you could just use: cd Desktop
[02:50] <cprofitt> no
[02:50] <guest1>  cd /home/username/desktop
[02:50] <stlsaint> without using: cd /home/stlsaint/Desktop
[02:51] <nived> okay, so, guest1: when you're in /home/username, type cd Desktop and tell me what it returns
[02:51] <cprofitt> in your home you would just have to type cd Desktop
[02:51] <cprofitt> it is an upper case D
[02:51] <UndiFineD> o/
[02:51] <cprofitt> and a quick way to get to home is cd ~
[02:51] <nived> ubuntu is case-sensitive, yeah
[02:51] <nived> desktop, DESKTOP, and Desktop are different places
[02:51] <guest1> warren@Aspire-One:~$ pwd
[02:51] <guest1> /home/warren
[02:51] <guest1> warren@Aspire-One:~$ cd /desktop
[02:51] <guest1> bash: cd: /desktop: No such file or directory
[02:51] <nived> okay
[02:51] <nived> now type exactly what I tell you
[02:51] <cprofitt> bash will also auto-complete if you hit 'tab'
[02:51] <nived> "cd Desktop" with no quotes
[02:52] <nived> make sure you don't do the slash and have an uppercase D
[02:52] <nived> tell me what it returns
[02:52] <guest1> :-D
[02:52] <nived> did it work?
[02:52] <guest1> no /?
[02:52] <nived> no /, no
[02:52] <guest1> yes
[02:52] <nived> not for relative
[02:52] <nived> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[02:52] <nived> check out that link
[02:53] <nived> it will explain how relative and absolute paths are handled in ubuntu
[02:53] <guest1> is this ubuntu specific?
[02:53] <UndiFineD> no linux specific
[02:53] <UndiFineD> or unix so to speak
[02:53] <guest1> ahhh
[02:54] <guest1> thats been killing me for an hour
[02:54] <nived_> i'm not familiar with any linux distros other than ubuntu
[02:54] <nived_> but ubuntu is based on debian and mint is based on ubuntu
[02:54] <nived_> so it should be that way in debian, ubuntu, and mint at least
[02:55] <cprofitt> It is that way in Fedora as well
[02:55] <cprofitt> at least the last time I used it
[02:55] <guest1> I will remember it well now
[02:55] <guest1> the case of the directories threw me too
[02:57]  * UndiFineD has work with almost any distro of linux, sun solarix, hp ux, aix
[02:58] <UndiFineD> all are case sensitive, because of posix standards
[02:59] <guest1> yeah unfortunatley Im breaking the windows habit argh
[03:00] <UndiFineD> only microsoft, born out of unix posix standards too, chose to eliminate case sensitivity in old DOS / windows systems because of FAT(12) filesystem
[03:00] <UndiFineD> and had to do a hell of a job to reintroduce it again
[03:02] <guest1> I have to say ubuntu is very very easy to use...the bash shell on the other hand..not so much
[03:02] <nhandler> guest1: Tab Completion is your friend ;)
[03:02] <SPooN> Ubuntu's easy to use. I just wish flash would be preloaded
[03:04] <UndiFineD> SPooN, my bet is, that when Ubuntu Software Center is ready for Natty, the store will provide adobe softwares too
[03:06] <nhandler> They have adobe software, most is just in multiverse or the partner repositories.
[03:06] <nhandler> As for adobe flash, try flashplugin-installer
[03:06] <trhisdone> doesn't flash require a licesnse which is why its not preloaded on anything
[03:07] <nhandler> trhisdone: Yeah, licensing issues have played a big role in that.
[03:07] <trhisdone> yeah its not installed by windows by default either....or firefox
[03:07] <UndiFineD> nhandler, I was talking of photoshop and the other commercial softwares they have
[03:07] <trhisdone> you always gotta download it
[03:07] <nhandler> UndiFineD: Are those even available upstream for Linux?
[03:08] <SPooN> anyone know when Mint 10 is going to release?
[03:08] <SPooN> or am I stupid and it is out
[03:08] <trhisdone> why would adobe bother with photoshop for linux? you have gimp
[03:08] <UndiFineD> I think canonical does more talks on this with the major software vendors
[03:09] <SPooN> trhisdone: for flash
[03:09] <UndiFineD> trhisdone : one reason, compatibility
[03:09] <trhisdone> just look at all the crap you gotta do just to play a dvd
[03:09] <trhisdone> thats enough to turn most newbies off right out the gate
[03:09] <vu1kan> I have an issue with the multimedia keys on my usb internet keyboard: whenever i reboot/power down, they stop working.  If i open the gnome keyboard shortcuts, it shows the various actions are defined correctly, i.e. volume mute is mapped to XF86AudoMute, but i get nothing if i press the key.  The only way i've been able to 'fix' this is to first clear the actions with backspace, then redefine the shortcut to the proper media key.  It only see
[03:10] <UndiFineD> crap ? nothing difficult for playing a dvd on linux, ubuntu-restricted-extras will do the trick nicely
[03:10] <trhisdone> im thinking of someone who knows nothing of computers
[03:11] <UndiFineD> trhisdone, that is licencing issues
[03:11] <UndiFineD> but USC makes that much eassier to do
[03:11] <UndiFineD> vu1kan, keyboard settings ....
[03:12] <trhisdone> well i been playing dvds with vlc and kaffeine and they do not play as smooth as they do on power dvd in windows
[03:12] <trhisdone> i don't know what the problem is
[03:12] <UndiFineD> system -> preferences -> keyboard -> tab Layouts
[03:12] <UndiFineD> trhisdone, caching ;)
[03:13] <vu1kan> UndiFineD: it's setup correctly in there; compaq internet keyboard(7 keys)
[03:13] <trhisdone> maybe im just too used to windows
[03:14] <UndiFineD> vu1kan, during bootup and shutdown the system reverts to basic keyboard often US101
[03:15] <vu1kan> even when it was set to that, the issue existed; that is, my volume buttons, ect, wouldn't function after a reboot unless i redefined them
[03:16] <vu1kan> despite the fact that the kb shortcuts showed the correct XF86 entry for the shortcuts
[03:17] <UndiFineD> so it forgets about the keyboard ?
[03:17] <vu1kan> it forgets about the XF86 keys
[03:18] <vu1kan> the rest of the kb functions correctly, as do all of my other shortcuts
[03:18] <trhisdone> i only been using ubuntu for a couple of days and like it but some things were a pain in the butt to get working
[03:18] <UndiFineD> cprofitt, he ha set that permanent somehow ? i.e. .Xsession or something like that ?
[03:20] <UndiFineD> on the layouts tab, there is this button, to apply system -wide
[03:20] <UndiFineD> for my dutch language I switch between USA and USA with deadkeys
[03:27]  * SPooN lost all his music when failing at installing ubuntu
[03:28] <cprofitt> SPooN: ouch
[03:29] <UndiFineD> aww
[03:29] <cprofitt> sounds like backup failure
[03:29] <cprofitt> I have my music on 4 different locations
[03:29] <cprofitt> 3 digital and I own all the physical CDs
[03:29] <SPooN> lol I was trying to dualbot but since I'm a stupid 15yo I accidentally used the entire HD
[03:29] <UndiFineD> back-in-time does a good job for that for me
[03:30] <SPooN> will RhythmBox allow you to sync from iPod to Ubuntu?
[03:30] <UndiFineD> guest1, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[03:30] <mxe5> What would be the best app thats run on gnome desktop for making and .iso of a CD ? ?
[03:31] <Cheri703> mxe5: brasero
[03:31] <Cheri703> it's built in
[03:31] <UndiFineD> hey Che
[03:31] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: the first time I installed Ubuntu, that's what happened. :D
[03:31] <UndiFineD> tabfail
[03:31]  * SPooN is happier now
[03:31] <JoeMaverickSett> hi, Cheri703 :)
[03:31] <Cheri703> hi
[03:31] <UndiFineD> Cheri703, is too much like ChanServ
[03:32] <cprofitt> SPooN: always, always have data backup
[03:32] <cprofitt> its lesson #1
[03:32] <Cheri703> yeah, that happens to me a lot :)
 and I thought I was the only one :P
[03:32]  * JoeMaverickSett prefer Banshee over Rhythmbox.
[03:32] <SPooN> cprofitt: yea, I have everything in 3 places now.
[03:32]  * SPooN doesn't have Banshee
[03:32] <mxe5> Cheri703: I know Brasero wil burn an .iso image but did not know you could use it to actually "make an .iso image" of a CD.
[03:32] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: well come to the club. *lesson 1, remember to backup. :D
[03:32] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: install it. :P
[03:32] <cprofitt> mxe5: yes it works
[03:32] <Cheri703> I've done it...
[03:33] <cprofitt> you can make an iso from a folder of files too
[03:33] <mxe5> ok will give a try Thanks
[03:33] <SPooN> JoeMaverickSett: is it in Synaptic?
[03:33] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: try Ubuntu SOftware Center. :D
[03:34] <SPooN> JoeMaverickSett: where be this!? :O
[03:34] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: Applications > Ubuntu Software Center. ;)
[03:34] <SPooN> JoeMaverickSett: thanks :D
[03:34] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: no problem.
[03:35] <SPooN> whoa lotta schtuffs!
[03:35] <UndiFineD> do not install "Everything"
[03:36] <SPooN> well, I won't
[03:36] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[03:36] <trhisdone> is that rule #2?
[03:36] <SPooN> but I hadn't realized there was like.. any of this
[03:36] <trhisdone> lol
[03:36] <trhisdone> i find it best to ask someone what software will do what
[03:36] <SPooN> I need to make my Ubuntu look beautiful sometime too
[03:36] <trhisdone> most of the recommendations i got in here have been spot on
[03:37] <SPooN> teehee I have Banshee now
[03:37] <UndiFineD> trhisdone, rule #1 Enjoy Freedom, rule #2 multiply freedom
[03:37] <JoeMaverickSett> +1 UndiFineD :D
[03:37] <trhisdone> i found you gotta load the ms core fonts and change everything to verdana....that seems to look the best to me
[03:37] <trhisdone> but thats my opinion
[03:38] <UndiFineD> trhisdone, but ... we have the ubuntu font
[03:38] <UndiFineD> and it is free
[03:38]  * JoeMaverickSett uses Ubuntu fonts. ;)
[03:38] <trhisdone> yeah that looked pretty good to
[03:38] <trhisdone> the default font was horrible
[03:38] <UndiFineD> I just need a replacement for my fixed type courier
[03:39] <SPooN> so... If I save music to ~/home/music
[03:39] <SPooN> it automatically goes into Banshee?
[03:39] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: yes.
[03:39] <SPooN> Ubuntu is now hawt
[03:40]  * JoeMaverickSett backs away from Ubuntu. :P
[03:40] <SPooN> haha
[03:40]  * SPooN away
[03:42]  * SPooN back
[03:43] <stlsaint> SPooN: what irc client are you using?
[03:43] <trhisdone> i do have to say ubuntu was the smoothest install of all the linux distros i tried
[03:43] <SPooN> i'm using XChat
[03:43] <SPooN> stlsaint: why?
[03:44] <Mohan_chml> SPooN, /ignore stlsaint
[03:44] <Mohan_chml> xD
[03:44] <SPooN> I don't get it.
[03:44] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[03:45] <JoeMaverickSett> SPooN: i think he wanted to say "don't let your irc client do away messages!"
[03:45]  * SPooN did those manually
[03:45] <stlsaint> SPooN: nevermind
[03:45] <SPooN> ./me (away or back)
[03:45] <stlsaint> MOHI!!!
[03:45]  * JoeMaverickSett runs.
[03:45] <Mohan_chml> Ohai stlsaint. you were here all these times? :P
[03:45] <SPooN> in any case, I'm really excited now. I can get my music back off my iPod into banshee
[03:45] <SPooN> <3 <3 <3
[03:47] <stlsaint> >:|
[03:47] <Mohan_chml> lol
[03:47] <SPooN> lol
[03:48] <SPooN> what IRC client to you folks use?
[03:48] <Cheri703> xchat
[03:48] <trhisdone> xchat
[03:48] <JoeMaverickSett> irssi! :D
[03:48] <Mohan_chml> idk :P
[03:48] <SPooN> i hated irssi
[03:49] <SPooN> I've been using xchat since my windows days though and <3 it
[03:49] <Mohan_chml> SPooN, i hated JoeMaverickSett
[03:49] <Mohan_chml> xD
[03:49] <SPooN> dun be hatin
[03:49]  * JoeMaverickSett walks away from the XCHAT folks.
[03:49] <Mohan_chml> JoeMaverickSett, you sure? i am also an xchatt'er
[03:49] <JoeMaverickSett> Mohan_chml: well, that's an exception. XD
[03:49]  * SPooN chases JoeMaverickSett
[03:50] <Mohan_chml> xD
[03:51] <SPooN> I don't get why people say Linux is so hard to use...
[03:51] <SPooN> I'm finding it pretty easy
[03:57] <trhisdone> i dont think its hard just different...people get used to windows and dont want to take the time to learn a different way so they say its hard
[03:58] <SPooN> yea, plus people unwilling to find help (like in here)
[03:59] <trhisdone> plus the software isn't the same so you gotta learn new software too
[04:00] <Mohan_chml> later peeps. have to leave for now o/
[04:00] <SPooN> yea, I'm off for a while too
[04:00]  * SPooN is off to bedbed
[10:30] <nlsthzn-work> Hi, I have a problem... my Ubuntu 10.10 netbook install is slow...
[10:34] <nlsthzn-work> I mean, I am using 10.10 netbook edition on my netbook and it is slow...
[10:38] <Timo_> can u give us more information aboujt your netbook n stuff nlsthzn-work
[10:42] <nlsthzn-work> Timo_: don't sweat it... just being annoyed with unity, I have a Samsung N150 and unity is bringing it too it's knees (even Windows 7 Starter was better)... if I stop being so lazy I will just re-install 10.04 and be happy again :)
[10:47] <Timo_> alright nlsthzn-work :D Linux Mint 10 is also very good
[10:49] <nlsthzn-work> Timo_: thx for the tip :)
[11:54] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[12:02] <nlsthzn-work> Hello s.fox
[12:04] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[12:05] <Silver_Fox_> How are you nlsthzn-work  ? Additionally I request that you ping my handle if you wish me to respond in good time. Thank you .
[12:07] <nlsthzn-work> Silver_Fox_: I am fine... and I am sure you would respond eventually...and if you didn't I would not have lost any sleep ;)
[13:53] <harrisonk> how do I unpack a tar.lzma.tar?
[13:54] <aveilleux> ....tar.lzma.tar?? Who would create such a monstrosity?
[13:56] <aveilleux> harrisonk: If Archive Manager can't handle it, I believe you can untar, then unarchive lzma, then untar again.
[13:56] <aveilleux> ...oh, he left :/
[13:58] <harrisonk> how would I unpack a tar.lzma.tar in ubuntu?
 harrisonk: If Archive Manager can't handle it, I believe you can untar, then unarchive lzma, then untar again.
[14:05] <harrisonk> okay thanks
[15:11] <zuluboy> Is it possible to select the software to install from the cd so as not to get all the defaults?
[15:36] <aveilleux> aargh, I could have answered zuluboy's problem
[15:59] <polochen> ...
[15:59] <polochen> IRC...sounds old...
[15:59] <polochen> anyone here?
[15:59] <polochen> knock knock?
[15:59] <jledbetter> who's there?
[16:01] <polochen> haha
[16:01] <polochen> hi ledbetter
[16:02] <polochen> oh, Jledbetter?
[16:02] <polochen> sorry
[16:02] <jledbetter> Oh, I thought this was a knock knock joke.
[16:02] <jledbetter> polochen, And, hello. :)
[16:02] <polochen> it is....followed by a newbie question...if anyone's here to answer it...^^
[16:03] <polochen> hmm...I guess even I'll keep googling
[16:04] <polochen> nice talking with u, jledbetter
[16:04] <polochen> ciao and u have a nice day/night!!
[16:04] <jledbetter> Lots--
[16:13] <aveilleux> uh
[16:13] <aveilleux> damn it
[16:13] <aveilleux> we need to set up ubot to autmoatically !ask anyone it doesn't recognize.
[16:14] <nlsthzn> but why did polochen never ask his question :/
[16:24] <jledbetter> Dunno, I was typing "Lots of folks here. Please ask away" when the person jumped back offline. :(
[16:26] <nUboon2Age> that happens sometimes jledbetter
[16:26] <nUboon2Age> ships passing in the night
[16:27] <jledbetter> Yes.
[16:27] <nUboon2Age> good mornin jledbetter
[16:29] <jledbetter> nUboon2Age, Good morning
[18:20] <nev> what do i do once i have unpacked a rar file to install drivers?
[18:21] <nlsthzn> ...oh oh... what drivers from where?
[18:21] <nev> getnet usb wireless adptr from getnet
[18:22] <nlsthzn> have a specific link so I can have a look?
[18:22] <nev> one sec..
[18:24] <nev> http://www.getnet.eu/products_GN-621U.html then linux drivers
[18:24] <nlsthzn> nev: brb, going to check it out :)
[18:26] <nlsthzn> ok, this is going to attempt to build the drivers from source code (which you have now downloaded)
[18:27] <nlsthzn> what I would suggest is to extract to a directory in your home folder, then open the readme file and have a look at installation method one..)
[18:28] <nlsthzn> AFAIK it isn't ideal to do this in Ubuntu exactly as it is spelled out in the read-me but I am not that clued up (have not done it that many times)
[18:28] <nev> yep, done that ,i have no idea how to do any of it! :(
[18:29] <nlsthzn> have you searched the forum for a thread on this specific NIC or driver?
[18:29] <nev> no, whats a NIC ?
[18:30] <nlsthzn> network card, sorry
[18:31] <nev> ok, understood.
[18:31] <nlsthzn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1374037&highlight=RTL8192SU this might help alot
[18:32] <nev> ok, thanks, i will have a look. :)
[18:48] <nev> nlsthzn - thanks a few links along and there is a how to with the same chipset so i 'm about to give it a go. cheers
[18:51] <nlsthzn> nev: good luck!
[19:00] <Mohidevilz> Hola peeps. I've got an issue. When I was in a Lucid Live CD, I tried installing it. and Gparted shows /dev/sda alone. and it asked me to create new partition table. When I hit that, all previous data are lost. Am I supposed to install gpart and undo it?
[19:01] <nlsthzn> Mohidevilz: Hi, did you apply the changes? Did you see it actually create the new partitions etc?
[19:02] <Mohidevilz> nlsthzn: It never asked me to change. But got the new partition table saved :|
[19:03] <nlsthzn> Mohidevilz: if the new changes has been commited then I am afrain you have a serious problem (if you haven't backed up)
[19:03] <Mohidevilz> argh!
[19:04] <Mohidevilz> lemme give a shot to gpart then =]
[19:07] <nlsthzn> AFAIK there is no "magic" undo... but I hope I am wrong, however feel free to wait a bit, maybe somebody here will come up with the magic wand and help you out
[19:08] <Mohan_chml> Hmmm! I will change this connection to that old lappy first. :|
[20:07] <javatexan> how is little man doing?
[20:08] <bioterror> okay :D
[20:27] <harrisonk> Can someone help me download some source via GIT?
[20:29] <cprofitt> see everyone later
[20:35] <ibuclaw> harrisonk, git checkout URL dir
[20:35] <harrisonk> thanks
[20:37] <Maddeth> Hello all
[20:38] <yofel> actually, for git it would be 'git clone URL dir'
[20:39] <yofel> harrisonk: ^
[20:39] <yofel> checkout does something different
[20:43] <Maddeth> Hey bodhizazen
[20:46] <bodhizazen> 'lo all
[21:00] <Maddeth> bodhizazen, I dont think it is fair that I still have voice as I am not here very often. If you are happy to leave me with voice, I am happy :) if not then remove it :)
[21:18] <Maddeth> Hi again Solovei
[21:19] <Solovei> Oh hi Maddeth :)
[21:19] <Maddeth> are you looking for full docs covering unity? or just some advice
[21:20] <Maddeth> Solovei, ^
[21:20] <Solovei> Either one, actually. I'm having some confusion about files, as well...
[21:21] <Maddeth> Fire away, I will see what I can help with
[21:21] <Solovei> Well, for instance - I installed 7zip so I can open .rar archives, but I can't seem to find it in order to use it...
[21:22] <Maddeth> ah I see
[21:22] <Maddeth> through the repository?
[21:23] <Solovei> Yeah.
[21:23] <Maddeth> if you right click what you want to unzip, you should get the option to extract it Solovei
[21:24] <aveilleux> Solovei: the Archive Manager will pick up on most decompressors that are installed on the system. If you want to open rar files, just install unrar.
[21:24] <Maddeth> 7zip should cover it just as well really
[21:25] <Solovei> Yeah, when I try to extract/open it says that the archive type isn't supported.
[21:26] <Maddeth> in which case installing unrar would probably be the next best move as aveilleux suggested
[21:26] <Solovei> Okay, I'll try that.
[21:27] <Maddeth> if you sudo apt-get install rar
[21:27] <aveilleux> Maddeth: 7zip is a separate archive program, you run it from the terminal
[21:27] <aveilleux> Maddeth: sudo apt-get install unrar
[21:28] <Maddeth> I though 7zip covered all archive packages as rar does
[21:28] <Maddeth> aveilleux, I though unrar was in the "rar" package
[21:29] <Solovei> It does say it opens .rar on it's page...
[21:30] <Maddeth> Solovei,
[21:30] <Maddeth> nvm...
[21:30] <Maddeth> just typing out loud
[21:31] <aveilleux> Solovei: It does open rar files. It just isn't picked up by Archive Manager. 7zip is a command-line program.
[21:31] <Solovei> Oh, okay. Thanks.  Is that comparable to the start menu?
[21:34] <Solovei> Or, er... a windows start menu, I should say.
[21:34] <Maddeth> no idea, never ran a netbook flavour
[21:34] <Maddeth> but probably
[21:34] <Solovei> Hrm. I didn't think it would be that different.
[21:35] <aveilleux> Solovei: It's a launcher button. It's used as a launcher shortcut menu. The Unity interface doesn't like menus that much.
[21:36] <Solovei> Yeah, I noticed. That's rather convenient though. Also, can you still use sticky notes with unity?
[21:37] <aveilleux> Solovei: I dunno if the program is installed, but Tomboy is in the repos.
[21:38] <Solovei> Tomboy seems to be incapable of attaching individual notes to the desktop, though... Hang on, let me find the documentation.
[21:38] <aveilleux> Solovei: That's because Unity doesn't use Nautilus' desktop.
[21:39]  * aveilleux strongly dislikes Unity, to say the least.
[21:39] <Solovei> That seems a bit silly, to have an interface that doesn't really talk to the rest of the computer.
[21:39] <aveilleux> Yeah well... welcome to Canonical-made software.
[21:40] <Solovei> :P Thanks.
[21:40] <Solovei> I'm guessing you can't really get rid of Unity, either?
[21:41] <aveilleux> Solovei: You can install ubuntu-desktop and choose GNOME as the environment at login.
[21:42] <Solovei> But there's no way to get GNOME on the netbook version?
[21:43] <aveilleux> I just told you how to do exactly that.
[21:43] <aveilleux> The only difference between the versions is what is preinstalled. All of the software is available
[21:43] <Solovei> Oh, okay.
[21:45] <Solovei> There was something else... Oh! I'm using an EEEpc and there used to be a button combo to turn the wireless on and off - I've looked in the keyboard shortcuts, but is there a way to replicate that?
[21:46] <aveilleux> Doesn't Fn+F5 do it by default anyway?
[21:46] <Solovei> It's FN+F2 on mine.
[21:47] <aveilleux> Oh.
[21:48] <aveilleux> I don't know the way to se that specific combination up, no.
[21:48] <Solovei> Hrm. I looked at some of the stuff concerning the Netbook Remixes and the fixes for those, but they seem to concern version 8 only...
[21:49] <yofel> hm, fn+f2 never really worked here, at some point it worked, then it started causing kernel panics, currently (2.6.37) it does nothing on my 1000H
[21:49] <yofel> using rfkill works though
[21:50] <Solovei> what's that?
[21:50] <wolffu> Can anyone point me to the instructions for creating a personal Ubuntu Wiki page?
[21:51] <yofel> Solovei: command line tool to control the wireless/bluetooth switches - list devices with 'sudo rfkill list' and use un/block to enable/disable them
[21:51] <yofel> wolffu: just open a page like 'wiki.ubuntu.com/YourName' and click on the link to create it
[21:51]  * bodhizazen scrolls up
[21:51] <bodhizazen> Maddeth: up to you really
[21:51] <zkriesse> omg a bodhizazen !
[21:51] <bodhizazen> surprise =)
[21:52] <bodhizazen> I hope to become more active with the BT
[21:52] <wolffu> yofel, thanks...It doesn't need to be linked to my launchpad profile?
[21:52] <zkriesse> lolz
[21:53]  * zkriesse perks up at wiki
[21:53] <yofel> wolffu: not really, you create all wiki pages like that initally, some do use their LP ID as the wiki url though
[21:53] <yofel> I used my real name
[21:53] <wolffu> yofel, thanks a lot. I appreciate the info.
[21:53] <Maddeth> off to bed... had a long week last week, catchng up on sleep :)
[21:54] <Solovei> Maddeth, is there actually documentation on Unity or is it too new?
[21:54] <Maddeth> Solovei, there should be, have a look on Youtube, there are bound to be some vids, and maybe a wiki or 2
[21:55] <Maddeth> Solovei, Sorry I couldnt be of more help, never had a notebook, and not currently using ubuntu
[21:55] <Solovei> Alright, I'll see what I can come up with I guess. I feel kinda stupid because it seems like one of those things that's DEAD SIMPLE ... or is made to be, at least XD
[21:56] <Maddeth> Well, off to bed now, good luck Solovei and I may be on tomorrow (working from home ftw)
[21:56] <Solovei> Thanks for your help, Maddeth!
[21:56] <Maddeth> more than welcome
[22:53] <sebsebseb> Hi
[22:58] <SPooN> anyone else not able to get onto the Linux Mint site?
[22:58] <Timo_> SPooN: llemme check
[22:58] <SPooN> Timo_: thanks
[22:58] <Timo_> I'm in..
[22:59] <Timo_> though a bit slow
[22:59] <SPooN> ok
[22:59] <SPooN> debating getting Mint 10... never made a Live CD before though. I"ll look into it after work
[23:03] <Timo_> SPooN: it is totally awesome :D
[23:03] <SPooN> Timo_ Running Ubuntu atm. I'll try to find a spare CD sometime to atleast check it out, might even go ahead and torrent it
[23:04] <SPooN> while not doing anything that requires me to not have Transmission runnning
[23:06] <SPooN> should I get Debian version or Julia?
[23:07] <SPooN> 0 of 12 connected peers... fasepalm
[23:17] <Timo_> SPooN: your call.. I'm using Julia
[23:30] <SPooN> wow 12 peers getting uploaded to from me
[23:39] <UndiFineD> I say wow when i have 12 MBps
[23:39] <UndiFineD> atm it is 4
[23:44] <SPooN> I have about 30KBps...


[06:45] <Kilos> hi bushtech_  welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:31] <Kilos> ho Golynx_
[07:31] <Golynx_> hi Kilos
[07:41] <bushtech_> Thanks Kilos
[08:15] <Kilos> bushtech_  you here for ubuntu help or are you here to help the noobs?
[08:15] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself
[08:16] <Golynx> hi bushtech_
[08:20] <Kilos> hi rudi-c  welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:21] <rudi-c> hi Kilos, thanks for the welcome
[08:22] <Kilos> im the greeter bot here
[08:22] <rudi-c> ah hehehe
[08:22] <Kilos> tell us about yourself
[08:23] <Kilos> im trying to grow this channel but its a major job
[08:23] <rudi-c> I'm a person that likes chatting with welcome bots, and I wanted some answers regarding my unity on desktop 14.04
[08:24] <Kilos> ask and ye shall be helped
[08:24] <Kilos> oh my im on kde. wait a while ill boot to unity
[08:25] <Kilos> wbb
[08:25] <rudi-c> i cant find the answer on google, but i want to know if myunity is still available for 14.04. everything I find is for 13.04 or earlier
[08:28] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:28] <Kilos> rudi-c, if its serious tech help you need you might need to hang here all day
[08:28] <Kilos> the brains only get here at night'
[08:33] <Golynx> hi rudi-c and welcome!
[08:33] <Kilos> Golynx, you need to get a good desktop pc so you can run unity too then i can rest
[08:34] <Golynx> Kilos that will take a while. Maybe 2015 or so
[08:34] <Kilos> sjoe ill be dead by then man
[08:34] <Kilos> oh its next year so maybe not
[08:34] <Golynx> dont say such things man
[08:35] <Kilos> hehe
[08:35] <Golynx> you stilll a young lad :)
[08:35] <Kilos> oi
[08:36] <Golynx> keep the heart young and the body will follow till 100 years old
[08:36] <Kilos> whew
[08:39] <Golynx> many switching to 14.04 . Cause its an LTS ?
[08:39] <Kilos> yeah and its good
[08:40] <Kilos> one of the best releases
[08:40] <rudi-c> every new release is the best one yet :)
[08:40] <Kilos> no man
[08:40] <Kilos> i loved 10.10
[08:41] <rudi-c> yes and i loves 6.03, but it's not as nice as 14.04
[08:41] <Kilos> unity took lots of getting used to
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:41] <Golynx> thats good, lighter and faster should be the defacto for ubuntu in the future
[08:41] <rudi-c> linux took a lot of getting used to
[08:41] <Kilos> ok what unity questions you have rudi-c ?
[08:42] <Kilos> yeah the switch from windows is a brain tease
[08:43] <rudi-c> i have the answer i needed, thanks. the answer was unity-tweak-tool
[08:43] <Kilos> ah yes i used that too
[08:43] <rudi-c> yeah windows in nice, i used it to download ubuntu
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:43] <Golynx> lol
[08:43] <Kilos> rudi-c, you must stay here with us
[08:44] <Kilos> we here every day
[08:44] <rudi-c> is Kilos and Golynx both bots?
[08:44] <Kilos> no only bot here is maaz
[08:44] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:44]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:44] <Golynx> Maaz coffee please
[08:44] <Maaz> Golynx: Okay
[08:45] <Golynx> lol rudi-c i am human
[08:45] <Golynx> just programming make me feel like a bot sometimes
[08:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and Golynx!
[08:48] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[08:48] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:48] <Golynx> Maaz thanks
[08:48] <Maaz> Golynx: Okay :-)
[08:49] <rudi-c> hehehe
[08:51] <Golynx> strange that switching off ipv6 speeds up internet speed
[08:53] <rudi-c> it's hard to say who you chatting to :)
[08:53] <Golynx> rudi-c what do you mean
[08:54] <Golynx> are you not used to irc
[09:00] <rudi-c> last time i used irc a lot was probably 2004 maybe
[09:01] <Golynx> oh , that explains the confusion then :)
[09:02] <rudi-c> yeah probably
[09:02] <Golynx> if you stick around some more and you will get used to it again
[09:03] <rudi-c> i needed some info on ubuntu desktop and for interest sake searched SA and this came up
[09:03] <rudi-c> yes i'm using ubuntu a lot now, so i'll probably use irc a bit more
[09:05] <Golynx> haha, i also found this channel on google December 2013. The same as you i was searching for help from ubuntu experts in SA
[09:07] <Golynx> thats good, you can always keep your irc client open now that you using ubuntu alot
[09:07] <Golynx> wb Kilos
[09:07] <rudi-c> yes i could, but this pc isn't on permanently
[09:08] <rudi-c> Golynx, which ubuntu do you use
[09:09] <Golynx> ah ok , no problem you can come when you are able :)
[09:09] <Golynx> i use ubuntu 12.04
[09:09] <Kilos> ty Golynx
[09:09] <rudi-c> is there a reason you dont update?
[09:09] <Golynx> but gonna switch to 14.04
[09:09] <Golynx> Kilos np
[09:10] <Golynx> rudi-c ya i am waiting for a dvd, i dont have internet speed to download 14.04 :)
[09:11] <rudi-c> yeah i had 11.04 on my previous pc and eventually my memory packed up and i couldn't upgrade, so now i have a new pc for ubuntu and after my install of 13.10 i checked for updates and 14.04 was available so i didi it
[09:11] <rudi-c> where are you from?
[09:11] <Golynx> i actually use xubuntu, its much faster than unity. But i dont have enough recources to run unity so xubuntu will do for me
[09:12] <rudi-c> dont you still get those freedom toasters
[09:12] <rudi-c> where you could copy it for free?
[09:13] <Golynx> i'm far from major cities though deep in the western cape. Those freedom toasters are mostly at universities and stuff
[09:14] <rudi-c> http://www.freedomtoaster.org/products/
[09:14] <rudi-c> check there
[09:18] <Golynx> rudi-c thanks for the link, but i dont need to upgrade that much. Mostly use ubuntu for web development. In a few months time i will have a better internet connection, so that issue will hopefully be sorted then :)
[09:20] <Golynx> is that where you got you're ubuntu
[09:21] <rudi-c> no i downloaded it
[09:22] <rudi-c> i have adsl with about 40gb per month, so i just download whatever i want now
[09:22] <rudi-c> not that i do a lot of downloading
[09:22] <rudi-c> what web dev work do you do?
[09:23] <rudi-c> do you use bluefish, or what do you use?
[09:24] <Golynx> wow, thats alot of data
[09:25] <Golynx> i design websites and smartphone applications. Plus web software for the server side with php and python
[09:25] <Golynx> i use the netbeans IDE for all my dev work
[09:27] <Golynx> bluefish is good , but the first time i used it i couldn't drag drop a file onto it. That was a downer for me that made me leave it. Gedit is better as a lightweight text editor
[09:27] <rudi-c> ah ok, that stuff is way over my head. i do some simple web design for a few clients that dont want or cant afford the big database driven sites
[09:28] <rudi-c> i prefer something like dreamweaver, but in ubuntu the only thing i found so far was bluefish. i'd like something a bit closer to DW, but that drag and drop sounds like a nice thing to have
[09:30] <Golynx> nice, html5 is good for that. You can store client info on the browser instead of a mysql webserver that will cost more
[09:30] <Kilos> eish
[09:31] <Golynx> yeah, bluefish lacks some things needed for it to be compared to DW.
[09:31] <Golynx> wb Kilos :)
[09:32] <rudi-c> yes it lacks a bit
[09:32] <rudi-c> but hey, if you have nothing it's beats doing it in notepad in win
[09:33] <Golynx> i mis notepad++ from windows , that is the best all in one text/code editor
[09:33] <Kilos> what you doing? libreoffice can do lots
[09:34] <Golynx> still nothing beats a full IDE though , like netbeans
[09:34] <rudi-c> i'm going to check it out
[09:35] <Golynx> Kilos libre Office uses 1999 standard html for its webpage generating :p
[09:35] <Kilos> oh you doing web pages
[09:36] <Golynx> most of it are deprecated tags thats not used anymore and not encouraged to be used anymore
[09:36] <Golynx> ya he wants something similar to dreamweaver in windows
[09:37] <Kilos> oi
[09:37] <rudi-c> netbeans looks like a nice option
[09:38] <rudi-c> i'm gonna download it right now
[09:38] <Golynx> rudi-c i use the php version of netbeans with all html5 and web development goodies included https://netbeans.org/features/php/
[09:41] <rudi-c> i only do html and css, nothing else really, it's a lack of knowledge :)
[09:41] <rudi-c> but i'm going to download it anyway, it looks nice
[09:43] <Golynx_> net bugs :-/
[09:45] <charl_> good morning
[09:45] <charl_> Maaz: coffee opn
[09:45] <Maaz> charl_: *blink*
[09:45] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:45]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:45] <charl_> Kilos: my vlc works fine for most of the time, it only seems to crash when the disk gets busy
[09:46] <Golynx_> rudi-c i gave wrong link before , here is for html5 https://netbeans.org/features/html5/
[09:46] <Kilos> hi charl_
[09:46] <charl_> so at least i managed to narrow down the problem - its io related
[09:46] <Golynx_> hi charl_
[09:46] <Kilos> ram shortage?
[09:46] <charl_> no for example let's say i'm playing something and doing updates at the same time
[09:47] <charl_> hi Golynx
[09:47] <Kilos> too much for the cpu?
[09:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[10:02] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:02] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[10:03] <charl_> Kilos: i think it's a disk io issue
[10:03] <charl_> Kilos: when it can't buffer from the disk it freaks out
[10:03] <Kilos> oi
[10:10] <Kilos> grrrrr
[12:19] <bushtech> Thank Golynx. Hi
[12:25] <nlsthzn> I am the terror that flaps in the night
[12:26] <bushtech> Kilos: Bit of both. I'm just an old toppie whose always been fascinated by computers and software. Got into linux couple years ago when I built an Ubuntu raid server for backing up our computers. Then the slippery slope really started. Wanted some home entertainment/management programme and got into linuxmce. The rest, as they say, is history
[12:27] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[12:27] <nlsthzn> hello uncle Kilos , all
[12:28] <Kilos> great news bushtech im a toppie too
[12:29] <bushtech> Hope you started learning C++ earlier than me
[12:29] <Kilos> nope i dont do any programming
[12:29] <Kilos> thats for the guys here to do
[12:31] <Kilos> i only started on pcs in about 2006 i think
[12:32] <bushtech> Wise move at our age. don't know if I'm going manage to scale that mountain
[12:32] <Kilos> lol
[12:32] <Kilos> if you want to learn programming why not go with python
[12:33] <Kilos> get the book byteofpython to start with
[12:33] <Kilos> Maaz, google byteofpython
[12:33] <Maaz> Kilos: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/read/ :: "A Byte of Python (PDF) - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf :: "A Byte of Python" http://www.byteofpython.info/ :: "Free PDF: A Byte of Python by Swaroop
[12:33] <Maaz> C H" http://freepdfs.org/pdf/a-byte-of-python :: "A Byte of Python e-book - LinuxTone.Org" htt…
[12:34] <bushtech> for all I know about python it could have been called pofadder
[12:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:34] <Kilos> i tried but memory stuffed
[12:35] <bushtech> refuse to admit that to myself
[12:36] <Kilos> lol how toppie are you?
[12:36] <bushtech> 58
[12:36] <Kilos> im 63 in june
[12:37] <Kilos> we have another ballie that uses ubuntu as well thats in his 70's
[12:37] <Kilos> if you ever need help there are top programmers here
[12:38] <bushtech> I think thats blerrie impressive
[12:38] <Kilos> yeah
[12:38] <bushtech> Eish, they better keep a low profile!
[12:39] <Kilos> you guys can also join out mailing list, one can learn lots from see others be helped
[12:39] <Kilos> no man someone gotta guide the kids
[12:40] <Kilos> here is the link to the mailing list
[12:40] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[12:41] <Kilos> who you wanna frighten nlsthzn
[12:41] <nlsthzn> ?
 I am the terror that flaps in the night
[12:42] <bushtech> unless theres somebody here who knows all about connecting a thin client thats got a lightning struck lan port which I now want to connect via USB with alan/USB connector
[12:42] <nlsthzn> I mostly frighten myself
[12:43] <Kilos> peeps here know everything about pcs
[12:43] <Kilos> only not me
[12:43] <Kilos> i can only help with basics
[12:44] <Kilos> also bushtech there are many guys on the list that are linux experts too so join and drop a mail there
[13:02] <Kilos> hmm... frightened him away
[13:59] <Kilos> wb rudi-c bushtech Golynx
[14:01] <Golynx> ty Kilos
[14:01] <Golynx> wb rudi-c
[15:02] <Kilos> what a quiet day
[15:08]  * Golynx puts earplugs in ears to muffle the crickets noise
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:08] <Golynx> :D
[15:09] <Kilos> catch them and go fishing
[15:09] <Golynx> dams are dry and muddy here
[15:09] <Kilos> ai!
[15:09] <Golynx> lots of cats though
[15:10] <Kilos> you cant eat cats man
[15:10] <Golynx> hahaha cats are hungry for crickets
[15:10] <Kilos> hehe
[15:11] <Kilos> hey try that sig-gen maybe you can find a frequency that chases them
[15:13] <Kilos> id forgotten about that thing
[15:15] <Golynx> i was kidding lol, no crickets here in autumn
[15:15] <Kilos> hehe
[15:15] <Golynx> maube when summer comes the sig-gen can come in handy
[15:15] <Golynx> maybe*
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:38]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[17:38] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[17:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:42] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:51] <Kilos> Golynx, you here?
[17:53] <Golynx> yeah, in and out :)
[17:54] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59632/basic-web-development-ide-editor-like-dreamweaver
[17:55] <Golynx> that one is for rudi-c , he wanted a dreamweaver equivalent in ubuntu
[17:56] <Kilos> ok try remember if he comes back
[17:56] <Golynx> i suggested netbeans html5 version , he seemed to like it
[17:56] <Golynx> the same one i ask you to download for me
[17:56] <Kilos> oh ok
[17:57] <Golynx> ok will try remember when he comes
[17:57] <Kilos> but if you look at that does is look easy to use
[17:57] <Kilos> i know nothing of that stuff
[17:58] <Kilos> i thought maybe a dreamweaver user would find a similar thing easy to use
[17:59] <Golynx> i never used dreamweaver before though, cause i couldnt afford the software :)
[17:59] <Kilos> ok
[18:00] <Golynx> its good for newbies or people that find it hard to write code , design in html css javascript and such
[18:00] <Kilos> ah
[18:01] <Golynx> its mostly text editors with html some web dev support in the link you gave. No real alternative for dreamweaver in linux though
[18:02] <Kilos> ok
[18:02] <Kilos> i remember someone was here 6 months ago or more also looking for an equivalent
[18:02] <Golynx> so rudi-c will have to go for a full IDE that provides everything he needs to develop for his small business clients. Netbeans is easier to learn of the IDE's
[18:03] <Golynx> hi captine
[18:03] <Kilos> hi captine
[18:03] <captine> evining Golynx , Kilos
[18:03] <captine> how you all doing
[18:04] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[18:05] <Golynx> ya i tried long to find software similar to stuff i used on windows. But mostly i just mix programs with a feature for something i need on each one , instead of an all in one like in windows
[18:05] <Kilos> ok
[18:10] <captine> good
[18:35] <Golynx> night guys , early night with headache :)
[20:03] <inetpro> good evening
[20:03] <Kilos> nlsthzn, why you not in bed yet?
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... you have new friends?
[20:03] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[20:03] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[20:03] <Kilos> where inetpro ?
[20:04] <inetpro> bushtech and rudi-c
[20:04] <Kilos> oh yay ya another ballie so i dont feel alone
[20:04] <inetpro> always nice to see new faces here
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: did you invite them to the meeting yet?
[20:05] <Kilos> i think i did mention the meeting yes
[20:05] <inetpro> ahh...
[20:05] <Kilos> bushtech, you here?
[20:05]  * inetpro just scanned through the backlogs very quickly
[20:06] <Kilos> but a bally thats doing c++ whew
[20:06] <inetpro> that is rare for sure
[20:06] <bushtech> Kilos: yep
[20:07] <inetpro> bushtech: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[20:07] <inetpro> hope you will be back often
[20:07] <Kilos> meet inetpro and superfly bushtech they are like our main guides here
[20:07] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:07] <bushtech> please excuse my irc sex. having a running battle with Vodacom with my 3G connection
[20:08] <inetpro> ai!
[20:08] <bushtech> Thanks inetpro
[20:08] <Kilos> when i was still only a mechanic they taught me everything i know about pcs today
[20:08] <Kilos> bushtech, what isp?
[20:09] <inetpro> Kilos: he said VC
[20:09] <Kilos> oh sorrygo 8ta
[20:09] <inetpro> bushtech: what area are you from?
[20:09] <Kilos> bushtech, what area
[20:09] <Kilos> haha
[20:09] <Kilos> you to fast inetpro
[20:09] <inetpro> :-)
[20:10] <bushtech> I stay in the bush. 8ta has never heard of this area lol
[20:10] <inetpro> eish!
[20:10] <Kilos> on a farm?
[20:11] <bushtech> Vaalkopdam. 37 km from Sun City as the crow flies
[20:11] <inetpro> interesting
[20:11] <bushtech> Nature conservancy
[20:11] <Kilos> great
[20:11] <Kilos> then just keep revving them
[20:11] <Kilos> better to email their coe or catch him on twitter
[20:12] <Kilos> ceo
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: very interesting to see another one of them
[20:12] <bushtech> how do you rev a sleeping monster
[20:12] <Kilos> only way i got service outa them
[20:12] <Kilos> lol with a big stick
[20:12] <inetpro> magespawn will be happy
[20:12] <Kilos> twet the ceo and watch how quick you get action
[20:12] <Kilos> tweet
[20:13]  * superfly is playing minetest
[20:13] <superfly> horribly, horribly addictive
[20:13] <Kilos> they know everyone sees twiter messages so they make plans quick to keep the image of good service going
[20:14] <bushtech> From Vodacom: Your network query is currently under perfomance trailing. You will be contacted once it has been resolved.
[20:14] <bushtech> will give it a try if this fails
[20:15] <bushtech> tweet I'm talkin'about
[20:15] <inetpro> bushtech: if Vodacom is your only option I suggest you install a directional antenna for a steady signal
[20:15] <Kilos> here is their email addy bushtech
[20:15] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:15] <inetpro> if you don't have that yet
[20:15] <superfly> yeah, what inetpro said
[20:16] <inetpro> and obviously get a router with a port for an external antenna
[20:16] <Kilos> superfly, what kinda game is that
[20:16] <Kilos> and how big download
[20:16] <bushtech> I've had a yagi up here for a long time. gettiing tired of standing on a ladder realigning yagi as I jump from tower to tower
[20:17] <Kilos> eish
[20:17] <superfly> Kilos: have you heard of MineCraft?
[20:17] <Kilos> never superfly
[20:18] <superfly> Kilos: it's basically a game where you can build stuff
[20:18] <superfly> it's got some basic rules, but no real end objective
[20:18] <Kilos> bushtech, go to the closest tower and get the number off the gate and mail voda and say that tower is sick
[20:18] <superfly> minetest is the open source clone
[20:18] <bushtech> Kilos: Thanks for that email addy
[20:18] <Kilos> yw
[20:19] <Kilos> i fought with them lots
[20:19] <Kilos> foning the helpdesk you just get a runaround
[20:19] <Kilos> they have preprogrammed answers
[20:19] <bushtech> got open signal ans cell map on my phone. Know the tower CID's and where they are
[20:20] <Kilos> good put that info in the email
[20:20] <bushtech> Oh Yes
[20:20] <Kilos> then they see you not some kid they can spin a yarn to
[20:21] <Kilos> how far is the nearest tower from you?
[20:21] <bushtech> They said could take 14 days to sort. 10 to go then the fun starts
[20:21] <inetpro> bushtech: give them a hard time until they sort it out
[20:22] <bushtech> 15,6km
[20:22] <inetpro> unfortunately you will have to call several times if you want it sorted
[20:22] <Kilos> whew
[20:22] <inetpro> terrible service we have in this dear land of ours
[20:22] <Kilos> what kinda of signal do you get on a cell phone
[20:23] <bushtech> with the yagi I get HSPA+ when their #$%$## tower is working
[20:23] <inetpro> the money comes way too easy from the big cities
[20:23] <Kilos> oh thats great then rev them daily
[20:24] <inetpro> rural areas are always neglected
[20:24] <bushtech> I'll keep at them. Not going back to sat signal at 3k/month
[20:24] <Kilos> wow
[20:25] <bushtech> life in the bush is interesting heh
[20:25] <inetpro> HSPA+ is very usable if it works
[20:26] <bushtech> best I can hope for here
[20:27]  * inetpro calling it a night
[20:27] <Kilos> night inetpro sleep tight
[20:27] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:28] <bushtech> sleep tight
[20:28] <inetpro> but before I go, bushtech remember our meeting on Tuesday
[20:29] <inetpro> see Agenda in the topic
[20:29] <bushtech> must have missed something, news to me
[20:29] <Kilos> its our monthly meeting here at 20.30
[20:29] <inetpro> we have monthly meetings just to keep us going, every 4th Tuesday of the month
[20:29] <bushtech> Ah Ok
[20:30] <inetpro> just informal stuffs... nothing serious
[20:30] <Kilos> but better if you here everyday
[20:30] <Kilos> hehe
[20:30] <inetpro> some peeps tend to come in here just for the meetings
[20:31] <bushtech> I monitor other irc channels so I'm 24/7 tower permitting
[20:31] <inetpro> nice
[20:31]  * inetpro is off
[20:31] <Kilos> cool, make this your number 1 channel
[20:31] <Kilos> nag gussie
[20:33] <bushtech> hmmm. need to know what those devs have broken on another channel
[20:34] <Kilos> our devs fix things not break then
[20:36] <bushtech> upwards of a million lines of code sitting on top of ubuntu. hard not to break something
[20:38] <Kilos> lol
[20:39] <Kilos> what release are you using?
[20:39] <Kilos> cant member if you told us earlier
[20:40] <bushtech> 1204
[20:40] <Kilos> i used that till about 3 weeks ago
[20:40] <Kilos> 14.04 is a bit better i think
[20:40] <captine> cheers all.
[20:40] <Kilos> night captine
[20:41] <Kilos> 12.04 gave me untold probs with 3g
[20:42] <Kilos> in kde and unity
[20:42] <bushtech> havent noticed that on 1204 once I got it working
[20:42] <Kilos> does it auto connect?
[20:43] <Kilos> oh you have 3g from a router?
[20:43] <bushtech> yep
[20:44] <Kilos> only the usb modems have the auto connect prob
[20:45] <bushtech> Ah, I'm using a card
[20:45] <Kilos> ah
[20:48] <Kilos> eish superfly like building blocks?
[21:11] <Kilos> ngith all. sleep tight
[21:11] <Kilos> night as well
[21:14] <bushtech> night Kilos