[00:01] <satanx> coolthanks for the info
[00:05] <Joe> Hello, I am looking to install Xubuntu, it will be my first Linux based OS
[00:05] <Joe> I have a question on what I should download
[00:05] <genoobie> Joe, what's your hardware?
[00:06] <genoobie> oh and welcome!
[00:06] <Joe> I have found an old Dell Dimension 4600 and I am coming from nothing but Windows. I have 512 mb RAM and Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz and other than that, I have no idea what information is required haha
[00:06] <genoobie> seems ok
[00:06] <genoobie> you may want to consider lubuntu too
[00:07] <genoobie> what kind of video?
[00:07] <genoobie> although it will probably be fine
[00:07] <Joe> I was at an Ubuntu chat and they suggest Xubuntu as it should be able to handle it
[00:07] <Joe> Um one second let me check
[00:07] <genoobie> here a good comparison
[00:07] <genoobie> http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Lubuntu_vs_Xubuntu
[00:07] <Joe> Is it the video card you are asking for?
[00:08] <Joe> *graphics card
[00:08] <genoobie> xubuntu looks good, looks better than lubuntu, but performance in lubuntu is prolly better
[00:09] <Joe> According to that my old tower meets the optimal specs for Xubuntu so I am probably just trying out Xubuntu first off
[00:09] <genoobie> yes, xubuntu is a tiny bit resource heavy on graphics versus say lubuntu
[00:09] <genoobie> fine
[00:09] <satanx> Joe, apt-get install unetbootin
[00:09] <Joe> I was in another chat earlier and they suggested Xubuntu to me and it's worth a shot
[00:09] <genoobie> satanx, he doesn't have any OS on there now
[00:10] <Joe> Correct, I formatted the hard drive
[00:10] <satanx> what os you useing atm joe?
[00:10] <Joe> On what I wish to install I have no OS installed
[00:10] <satanx> so blank drive atm?
[00:10] <Joe> Correct
[00:10] <genoobie> get 12.10 i386
[00:10] <genoobie> not the alternate install
[00:11] <Joe> Okay what is the difference between 12.04 alternate an d desktop?
[00:11] <satanx> you got another pc you can make a disk or something?
[00:11] <Joe> Yes, I can make a bootable flash drive
[00:11] <genoobie> get desktop
[00:11] <Joe> Desktop is the iso file?
[00:11] <genoobie> both are .iso files
[00:11] <genoobie> if your dell 4600 can boot from the USB then use that
[00:12] <satanx> id try freebsd imo
[00:12] <Joe> Ah what is the difference? Because I am not sure how much hard drive space I have as I had to dig out an old one
[00:12] <saltmiser> Cheri703, sounds ilke your 3D graphics hardware is either not supported correctly or is broken
[00:12] <genoobie> ugh freebsd has not much in the way of hardware support
[00:12] <saltmiser> genoobie, no that will run Xubuntu just fine
[00:12] <genoobie> saltmiser, yes, but for the install his cdrom is prolly older
[00:13] <saltmiser> I wouldn't worry about that
[00:13] <genoobie> meh
[00:13] <saltmiser> he only has to use the CDROM once
[00:13] <satanx> joe stay away from unity
[00:13] <genoobie> yes
[00:13] <saltmiser> yes
[00:13] <genoobie> no unity
[00:13] <saltmiser> away from unity
[00:13]  * saltmiser hisses
[00:13] <genoobie> so the alternate install may not be a bad option
[00:13] <Joe> Okay will do.
[00:13] <genoobie> if you don't mind text interfaces
[00:13] <genoobie> and nCurses
[00:13] <saltmiser> he does
[00:13] <saltmiser> he will
[00:13] <Joe> What is the difference between alternate and desktop install?
[00:13] <saltmiser> it will be scary
[00:13] <saltmiser> Joe use the desktop
[00:13] <saltmiser> the alternate install will ask you a bunch of questions that you'll have no idea how to answer
[00:13] <genoobie> doesn't desktop rely on unity for enviro?
[00:13] <satanx> 2nd that
[00:13] <saltmiser> not xubuntu
[00:14] <genoobie> oh
[00:14] <satanx> not for xubuntu
[00:14] <Joe> But the alternate requires less free space and I am not sure how much I have currently
[00:14] <saltmiser> Joe, you're going to format the entire hard drive
[00:14] <genoobie> interesting for lubuntu which is lighter, it uses unity
[00:14] <satanx> xubuntu uses xfce
[00:14] <genoobie> you'll have plenty of space
[00:14] <saltmiser> Joe, you have enough disk space
[00:14] <saltmiser> you have at least 4gb probably
[00:14] <satanx> but you can add w/e ui u wish
[00:14] <Joe> It already is formated. It's from an old Windows 98 computer though so I'm limited :p
[00:14] <saltmiser> joe, the installer will re-format it
[00:14] <saltmiser> specifically for linux
[00:15] <saltmiser> linux uses different file system formats than windows, especially
[00:15] <genoobie> everything is a file in linux
[00:15] <Joe> Okay I will try the Desktop version but if I do not have enough space I will try the alternate as well
[00:15] <satanx> joe, it you are a beginner linux useer... i would try ubuntu 10.04 first
[00:15] <genoobie> a mouse, that's a file
[00:15] <genoobie> :)
[00:15] <saltmiser> you will have enough space joe, do not worry
[00:15] <genoobie> nah
[00:15] <genoobie> 12.04 is prolly fine
[00:15] <saltmiser> satanx, stop playing satan that sounds ridiculous
[00:15] <Joe> I was suggested Xubuntu as it should run smoother on my Dimension 4600
[00:15] <genoobie> yes
[00:16] <genoobie> because ubuntu uses unity
[00:16] <saltmiser> Joe xubuntu 12.04 or 12.10
[00:16] <Joe> So 12.10 or 12.04 desktop version?
[00:16] <saltmiser> either version, doesn't matter
[00:16] <genoobie> it's heavy
[00:16] <satanx> saltmiser, what should i play?
[00:16] <saltmiser> I use 12.10 I think
[00:16] <genoobie> 12.10 has no problems here
[00:16] <Joe> Alright I'll try it with 12.10 first, thanks!
[00:16] <saltmiser> Joe, have it format the entire hard drive
[00:16] <genoobie> yes
[00:16] <saltmiser> blow the whole thing out
[00:16] <Joe> Will it ask me that during install?
[00:16] <saltmiser> yes
[00:16] <Mom_sex> saltmiser, better?
[00:16] <genoobie> will he need to make his own swap?
[00:17] <Joe> Okay I will indeed do that. Thank you
[00:17] <saltmiser> no
[00:17] <saltmiser> autopartition will
[00:17] <genoobie> or will the install take care of that
[00:17] <genoobie> ok
[00:17] <saltmiser> lol
[00:17] <saltmiser> I remember when I used slackware for the first time
[00:17] <Joe> I must go for now, hwoever I should have time to install it within the week. Thank you for the asistance!
[00:17] <saltmiser2> there
[00:17] <genoobie> I remember partitioning for each /etc, /var and /tmp
[00:17] <genoobie> it was ridiculous
[00:17] <saltmiser> yeah
[00:17] <saltmiser> freaking openbsd
[00:18] <genoobie> you had to reinstall all the time so you wanted to keep data on another partition
[00:18] <saltmiser2> whats wrong with bsd?
[00:18] <timm> 2 questions:1. is there a way to change the clock to an hour ahead? 2. everytime i close my netbook and it goes to sleep I need to restart Xubuntu, is there any way to fix this? I am on am aspire one acer netbook.
[00:18] <saltmiser2> timm goto poweroptions
[00:19] <timm> okay ,saltmiser2
[00:20] <genoobie> bbl
[00:20] <saltmiser2> er.. power mannagerment is what they call it
[00:21] <timm> so i want to put when laptop lid closes suspend? salmiser2
[00:22] <saltmiser2> yes
[00:22] <timm> okay thanks.
[00:22] <timm> and then for the clock
[00:22] <saltmiser2> one min
[00:23] <timm> okay thanks
[00:24] <saltmiser2> im not sure about that might need new applet, you need to google that
[00:24] <saltmiser2> still looking
[00:24] <timm> I just got it
[00:25] <saltmiser2> right on good
[00:25] <timm> system>time and date
[00:25] <timm> from the main menu
[00:25] <Nerkshank> good to know
[00:26] <timm> yup
[00:26] <timm> i guess this is how you learn
[00:30] <Nerkshank> yep
[00:32] <Nerkshank> question: why cant i upgrade to 12.XX
[00:32] <Nerkshank> say i need to make cd?
[00:34] <Nerkshank> please help http://pastebin.com/8ehSwXGW
[01:03] <timm> nerkshank, no idea
[01:03] <xubuntu807> hello
[01:04] <Boom_Farmer> Nerkshank: It's looking for the CD because it thinks you're wanting to upgrade from a CD. Is there an option to do a network upgrade?
[01:04] <Boom_Farmer> Or to upgrade from the Internet?
[01:05] <xubuntu807> having trouble connecting to protected next
[01:06] <xubuntu807> networks
[01:07] <xubuntu807> can anyone help me
[01:07] <xubuntu807> this started a couple days ago, after a update
[01:09] <xubuntu807> anyone??
[01:09] <saltmiser> jmm
[01:09] <Boom_Farmer> What sort of "protection" do they employ?
[01:09] <saltmiser> well I don't use any of that
[01:09] <saltmiser> and indeed, what do you mean by protected?
[01:10] <Nerkshank> Boom_Farmer, you were right cd-repositry was checked 4 some reason
[01:10] <xubuntu807> wpa1/2
[01:13] <timm> xubuntu807,can you connect to the same network on the LAN?
[01:14] <xubuntu807> I can, and I can also connecct when the network is open.
[01:14] <timm> hmm
[01:15] <timm> can you change the type of security on the network?
[01:15] <timm> and see if that works, xubunutu807
[01:16] <timm> xubuntu807
[01:16] <xubuntu807> Ill try that.
[01:17] <timm> and double check that you've got the right password
[01:17] <Joe> I have a quick question about Xubuntu. I read in Ubuntu there is an option to test and not install the OS. Does Xubuntu offer this as well?
[01:18] <xubuntu807> Okay.
[01:19] <timm> joe, yes if you burn it to a disk or flash drive it offers that opion
[01:19] <Boom_Farmer> Yes, there are Xubuntu Live distributions, if you get the Desktop LiveCD or live thumb drive ISO.
[01:19] <Joe> Okay, thank you. And I have been looknig around and it seems quite simple to dual boot Xubuntu and Windows Vista, is that correct?
[01:19] <xubuntu807> Hmm... Now it's saying that my wireless card is not managed.
[01:20] <Boom_Farmer> Usually.
[01:20] <Nerkshank> lol you got vista still
[01:20] <Joe> This is an old PC, I also ahve 7 and 8\
[01:20] <Joe> I am looking to alternatives to my even older that ran Xp :p
[01:20] <Nerkshank> i got a brand new hp i dont use it you want it
[01:21] <Joe> The 12.10 torrent download on the Xubuntu website offers the tes twithout install?
[01:21] <Nerkshank> ersion
[01:22] <timm> joe, the hardest part of running a daul boot of windows and ubuntu is resizing the windows storage partion
[01:22] <Nerkshank> what is cmd to how linux version?
[01:22] <Nerkshank> show*
[01:22] <Boom_Farmer> To resize the Windows partition, boot into Windows and use Windows' tools to resize it.
[01:22] <Joe> Why is it difficult?
[01:23] <Boom_Farmer> Nerkshank: either `cat /etc/issue` or `uname -a`
[01:23] <Joe> Okay thank you
[01:23] <Nerkshank> uname ty
[01:23] <timm> boom_farmer, I had a hell of a time resizing mine.
[01:24] <timm> turrned out my partion was corrupt
[01:24] <frustratedtech> have to disable pagesys files first
[01:24] <Nerkshank> Boom_Farmer, its easy
[01:24] <frustratedtech> remove those then resize, then add them back
[01:24] <Nerkshank> you got windows loaded rigtht now?
[01:25] <Nerkshank> ill walk u throught
[01:25] <genoobie> urgh
[01:26] <genoobie> has anyone used the alternate install?
[01:26] <genoobie> anyhow the question is this
[01:26] <genoobie> I had a linux on /sda3 that I want to blow out
[01:26] <genoobie> I want to install xubuntu over it
[01:27] <genoobie> what's the difference between "resuse partition" and use "entire partition"?
[01:27] <Nerkshank> entire willl wipe everything
[01:27] <genoobie> will wipe everything in the partition?
[01:27] <genoobie> because that's OK
[01:27] <Nerkshank> yes
[01:27] <genoobie> I'm blowing out sda3 anyhow
[01:28] <genoobie> what does "reuse" do then?
[01:28] <Nerkshank> might try and recover some files
[01:28] <genoobie> okay, gotcha, nah, full wipeout would be fine
[01:28] <Nerkshank> if u want to wipe are fresh install to entire
[01:29] <genoobie> would it reuse sda2 as my swap that I already ahve set up
[01:29] <Nerkshank> i would make a 2nd swap for your new partition
[01:29] <Nerkshank> 2-5gs or so
[01:29] <genoobie> huh?
[01:29] <genoobie> why?
[01:30] <Nerkshank> how many hhd u working with?
[01:30] <genoobie> one
[01:30] <genoobie> only one OS at a time
[01:30] <genoobie> the other is a windows OS
[01:31] <Nerkshank> you might beable to get by with the one swap... dont qutoe me on that tho
[01:31] <genoobie> do I want the bootable flag on or off
[01:32] <Nerkshank> you have efu bios?
[01:32] <Nerkshank> efi*
[01:32] <genoobie> not sure
[01:32] <genoobie> what is efi bios?
[01:32] <genoobie> I don't think so...
[01:32] <Nerkshank> make it bootable and grub should find windows for dual boot
[01:32] <Unit193> !uefi
[01:34] <Nerkshank> best to find a guide to help u install
[01:35] <timm> i manged to do a dual boot last night, took me till 3:30AM
[01:36] <Nerkshank> dod you install linux first then windows>
[01:36] <Nerkshank> always install linux over windows
[01:37] <timm> linux over windows, turned out my main partion was corrupt
[01:37] <timm> i go it delt with
[01:37] <Nerkshank> ya can be a pain
[01:38] <Nerkshank> microsoft hates linux
[01:41] <timm> In my opion linux is better
[01:42] <timm> like i got so much support last night
[01:42] <timm> service you cant get with windows
[01:48] <Boom_Farmer> timm: You can get that service for Windows, it'll just cost you money.
[01:48] <timm> but not that fast.
[01:48] <timm> you come on here you get help in like 5 minutes
[02:05] <satanxx> is there like a hardware manager for xubuntu... id like to see if my gtx660m driver is up to date
[02:06] <Boom_Farmer> satanxx: Try XFCE Menu > Settings > Additional Drivers
[02:08] <satanxx> no such options
[02:12] <Boom_Farmer> Which version are you using? run `cat /etc/issue` in a terminal.
[02:13] <Cheri703> satanxx: additional drivers is in the "software sources" screen on xubuntu
[02:13] <Cheri703> so settings > software sources > additional drivers tab
[02:13] <Cheri703> on 12.10 at least
[02:18] <satanxx> !list
[02:19] <Boom_Farmer> So is that why people say !list on joining.
[02:24] <timm> Boom_Farmer, what type of computer you on?
[02:25] <Boom_Farmer> timm: Xubuntu 12.04, probably upgraded to 12.04 from 11.10 by dist-upgrade, Intel i5 with discrete graphics.
[02:26] <timm> desktop, or laptop?
[02:27] <Boom_Farmer> timm: Yes.
[02:27] <timm> it was an either or question
[02:28] <Boom_Farmer> Both. It's a laptop, but it spends most of its time plugged into the wall and an external monitor.
[02:30] <timm> oh, im on my netbook(xubuntu of course) never run this fast on windows ive got skype open and  playing a video with only 73% RAM used up Boom_Farmer
[02:31] <Boom_Farmer> 73% of how much?
[02:31] <timm> 1 gig
[02:31] <Boom_Farmer> I'm using about 4 GB (3.5GB RAM and then a bit of swap) but then I've had web browsers open for three days.
[02:32] <timm> XD why
[02:32] <Boom_Farmer> Because that's my use case? My computer idles overnight. And I use open tabs as reminders of projects.
[02:34] <satanxx> so.... i got a nvidia gtx660m... i cant find correct drivers any suggestion?
[02:34] <satanxx> i got 16g mem :p
[02:36] <Boom_Farmer> satanxx: The latest Nvidia driver should work for you. Your card is listed as supported on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-310.32-driver.html
[02:37] <Boom_Farmer> Alternately, just plug your card info in here: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
[02:57] <xubuntu762> Hello, I currently have a problem in which I cannot connect to any wifi networks, regardless of security. This happened after I installed updates a few days ago. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[02:57] <Boom_Farmer> Is upgrading from XFCE 4.8 to 4.10 in 12.04 as simple as adding a ppa, apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade? http://it-diary.com/tutorials/install-xfce-4-10-in-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin/
[02:57] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu762: Can you see the networks?
[02:58] <xubuntu762> I can see the networks, Boom_Farmer.
[02:58] <Boom_Farmer> Do you currently have passwords listed for those networks? You might try deleting the setting for a network and re-adding it.
[02:59] <xubuntu762> I do. deleting...
[03:01] <xubuntu762> I had no results after re-adding.
[03:01] <Boom_Farmer> Is it saving the settings correctly?
[03:02] <xubuntu762> I would assume so; I never had a problem with it before.
[03:03] <Boom_Farmer> open the settings dialog and check that things like the authentication and inner authentication match what you know about the network.
[03:05] <xubuntu762> Alright, I have entered everything I know about the network...
[03:11] <xubuntu762> Still nothing...
[03:41] <Boom_Farmer> "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
[03:41] <Boom_Farmer> Make sure you saved the changes, then reboot and see if the changes stuck.
[03:42] <xubuntu762> I have tried that. Even trying a USB wifi adapter doesn't work.
[03:43] <Boom_Farmer> Change the settings to something you know is wrong, save them, and reboot. See if those changes stuck.
[03:43] <Boom_Farmer> I'm wondering if the permissions are being saved.
[03:45] <xubuntu762> Okay, I will try that.
[03:47] <xubuntu762> The changes carried through.
[03:48] <xubuntu779> how do I check what version of xubuntu I have?
[03:48] <Jeff_Williams> Hello i jsut installed linux for the first time :)
[03:52] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu779: In a terminal, run: cat /etc/issue
[03:52] <Jeff_Williams> i also need help xubuntu wont update any apps
[03:53] <Boom_Farmer> Jeff_Williams: How are you trying to upfate?
[03:54] <Jeff_Williams> the update manager
[03:55] <Jeff_Williams> ok its staring to do something
[03:55] <xubuntu016> hello im running an aspire one acer netbook and im wondering if i can dim the screen on it and how
[03:55] <xubuntu016> on xbuntu
[03:55] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu016: Do the Fn+whatever keys work?
[03:56] <Jeff_Williams> ok it told me to re start
[03:56] <xubuntu016> olny for audio
[03:56] <xubuntu016> only*
[03:56] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu016: Is there a small sun-like object in your bar?
[03:57] <xubuntu016> nope.
[03:58] <Boom_Farmer> Right click on the bar, click "Panel", "Add New Items", "Brightness plugin", "Add"
[03:59] <xubuntu762> Any headway on the wifi problem? I wonder if it happened because of a recent update...
[03:59] <xubuntu016> i dont see a brightness plugin or anything like that
[04:00] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu762: There's a chance. Check for more updates?
[04:01] <xubuntu762> Everything is up to date, Boom_Farmer.
[04:04] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu016: sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies, then look again.
[04:04] <Boom_Farmer> xubuntu762: I don't know what to tell you, then. Take it to ubuntuforums, perhaps. I'm not a dev, just a user.
[04:05] <xubuntu762> Alright, thanks anyway.
[04:05] <Boom_Farmer> Sorry I couldn't help you.
[04:05] <Boom_Farmer> When you make your forum post, write down _everything_ you tried, to save you time.
[04:06] <xubuntu762> Okay, thanks for the tip. At least ethernet works...
[04:07] <Jeff_Williams> ok my i ask can i just do sudo apt-get install skype to download and install skype im still pretty new to this
[04:12] <xubuntu016> Boom_farmer, from terminal?
[04:14] <xubuntu016> installing
[04:17] <xubuntu016> boom_farmer, nothing
[04:44] <Jeff_Williams> help i cant open .jars it doesn't even have "Allow executing file as a program" in properties help D:
[04:45] <Cheri703> 1. Install the Java runtime environment if it is not already installed. 2. Double click on the jar file or use the command line java -jar <myjarfile.jar> (will only work for executable jar files. Not all jar files are executable)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> i got this Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.checkHeadless(GraphicsEnvironment.java:173)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:477)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:419)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at net.minecraft.LauncherFrame.<init>(LauncherFrame.java:20)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at net.minecraft.LauncherFrame.main(LauncherFrame.java:167)
[04:47] <Jeff_Williams> 	at net.minecraft.MinecraftLauncher.main(MinecraftLauncher.java:13) Yes im trying to play mine craft :P
[04:54] <Boom_Farmer> Jeff_Williams: Is this a fresh install of Minecraft?
[04:59] <Jeff_Williams> yes it is
[04:59] <Boom_Farmer> Try this: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL
[05:01] <Jeff_Williams> Yes it worked ty :)
[05:01] <Boom_Farmer> \o/
[05:02] <Jeff_Williams> Now i can punch trees and mine diamonds :P
[05:03] <Jeff_Williams> Minecraft runs alot better on linux :)
[05:06] <Jeff_Williams> Yay for linux
[05:07] <Jeff_Williams> im glad 2013 is the year for linux
[05:15] <Boom_Farmer> Jeff_Williams: You may also want to look into Optifine, for performance and other enhancements: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-147-optifine-hd-b6-fps-boost-hd-textures-aa-af-and-much-more/
[05:16] <Jeff_Williams> True i should get optifine it will prob make it so i can record mc also :)
[08:48] <Aknot> If i install enlightenment. Will it know to use EFM when using e17 and thunar when using xfce? And if i have torrents downloading can i continue them when switching between e17 and xfce
[08:55] <moetunes> yes and depends on the torrent client
[08:58] <Aknot> transmission
[09:00] <Aknot> And if i download bunch of themes and icons, do they work on both? or do i have to download them separately
[09:00] <qasim> hi
[09:03] <ochosi> Aknot: afaik E17 uses its own toolkit (i.e. neither Gtk nor Qt), so i don't think our themes would work there
[09:03] <Aknot> but ive watched videos on utube where he uses gtk 3 stuff
[09:04] <qasim> can anyone tell me how to play blue ray videos..... i have vlc but it doesnot work properly with bue rays
[09:04] <ochosi> Aknot: right, well you can ofc use gtk apps in a qt context or even in enlightenment, but i was referring to any E17 native stuff (if there is any, i have no clue really)
[09:06] <Aknot> okok
[09:16] <gnomefreak> he left :(
[09:40] <Juan_Moreno> hi. i dont know why but since today no sund is being hearded. neither in audio or video. yuesterday was ok, but today nothing happens. youtube doesnt work, players, videos online/offline. my volume control seems to be ok. what can happened? thanks 4 helping.
[09:40] <Juan_Moreno> "no sound" i wish to say
[09:44] <TheSheep> Juan_Moreno: check if it's not muted
[09:44] <TheSheep> Juan_Moreno: start xfce4-mixer and check both your hardware device and the pulseaudio playback
[09:46] <Juan_Moreno> xfce4-mixer?
[09:46] <Juan_Moreno> i have pulse audio voume control
[09:47] <Juan_Moreno> i've dl it
[09:47] <Juan_Moreno> let me see
[09:53] <Juan_Moreno> nothng happened
[09:56] <Juan_Moreno> TheSheep, nothing happened. dont know why, man. yesterday was everything okay. but today no sound. even on or offline, even video, audio or youtube sites for ex... dont really know what to do ..
[09:57] <Juan_Moreno> TheSheep, nothing is muted, i have checked and unchecked somethings , change again and nothing..
[12:07] <Aknot> On youtube, if i use firefox its fine, but with chrome everything looks like its very bad quality. With kubuntu and chromium i didnt have this problem
[13:24] <xubuntu427> can someone help me
[13:24] <xubuntu427> ?
[13:24] <xubuntu427> i wanna install win xp and xbuntu
[13:24] <GridCube> !dualboot | xubuntu427
[13:24] <xubuntu427> i have raw ntfs 150 Gb
[13:25] <xubuntu427> on acer aspire one
[13:25] <GridCube> xubuntu427, the installer ask you if you want to install alongside your other os, then takes care of all the work, just be sure to backup important data before starting
[13:26] <xubuntu427> there is no data :)
[13:26] <xubuntu427> only 150 Gb unpartitioned
[13:26] <xubuntu427> now im asking how to divide?
[13:26] <xubuntu427> 50:50?
[13:27] <xubuntu427> half ntfs and half fat32?
[13:27] <knome> depends on your needs. do you need to share files a lot? how much are you going to use windows and xubuntu?
[13:28] <xubuntu427> im trying to learn to use linux
[13:28] <xubuntu427> windows is for media and arduino
[13:29] <knome> how much would be enough space for your windows installation?
[13:31] <GridCube> if its xp 30gb its more than ennough
[13:32] <xubuntu427> what os is better to install first?
[13:32] <GridCube> xp
[13:33] <xubuntu427> ok
[13:33] <GridCube> xubuntu427, read the links i pasted you
[13:33] <xubuntu427> im reading
[13:34] <xubuntu427> xbunt and ubuntu is no diference?
[13:35] <knome> xubuntu427, in this case, no difference
[13:35] <GridCube> ^^^ what knome said
[13:37] <xubuntu427> can xbuntu read ntfs partition?
[13:37] <GridCube> yes
[13:45] <xubuntu427> so i decided... ill make 60 Gb windows partition and install windows.
[13:45] <GridCube> if you are making partitions now, make already the swap partition too
[13:46] <GridCube> give it twice your ram minimum
[13:48] <xubuntu427> im makeing them with windows installer
[13:48] <xubuntu427> i dont think ill be able to do more than 1 for windows
[13:48] <GridCube> that wont work good though
[13:48] <xubuntu427> ?
[13:48] <xubuntu427> why?
[13:49] <GridCube> because windows doesnt play well with other OS's
[13:49] <GridCube> you should make you partition with gparted, or from windows use a third party partitioning tool
[13:50] <xubuntu427> i have nothiong on computer
[13:51] <xubuntu427> all i have is 1x usb win xp
[13:51] <xubuntu427> and 1x usb xbuntu
[13:51] <GridCube> well, that should do it then :)
[13:51] <GridCube> the xubuntu one does have gparted on it
[13:51] <GridCube> :D
[13:51] <xubuntu427> hehe
[13:52] <torax> just wondering about swap, that it should be twice your ram
[13:56] <xubuntu427> so i make another usb drive with ubuntu and i make partitions
[13:57] <xubuntu427> so they look like this?  C: 58Gb , D: 90, E: 2Gb (swap)
[13:58] <holstein> to windows?
[13:59] <holstein> i wouldnt use windows to create the linux partition
[13:59] <holstein> i would use gparted from a live CD
[13:59] <holstein> or, just make free empty space in windows if you prefer and use the installer to create the partitions
[13:59] <xubuntu427> so i just run windows instalation and make one partition 60 gb install windows?
[14:00] <holstein> xubuntu427: depends on what you want
[14:00] <torax> xubuntu427: you can make all the partitions in live CD
[14:01] <GridCube> xubuntu427, as said, use gparted from the xubuntu installer first, then just let windows install in its partition
[14:01] <holstein> if you are new to linux, i would just make free space and let the installer just use the empty space
[14:06] <xubuntu427> jeah, i tried that, and it just installed over windows :)
[14:06] <holstein> xubuntu427: it?
[14:07] <holstein> xubuntu427: "it" just does what you ask.. if you ask the installer to use the entire disk, it will
[14:07] <xubuntu427> yeah, i marked alongside option
[14:07] <holstein> xubuntu427: what are you trying to do?
[14:07] <xubuntu427> dual boot xbuntu/win xp
[14:08] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[14:08] <xubuntu427> i have 150 gb unpartitioned
[14:08] <holstein> xubuntu427: i usually just install windows, first, leaving empty space, then install linux
[14:08] <holstein> if windows is already installed, i just shrink the ntfs partition to reclaim the space
[14:09] <holstein> xubuntu427: you might have a scenario with grub didnt "see" or "find" the winows install.. i usually run 'sudo update-grub' and all is well
[14:09] <xubuntu427> i wanted to do that but someone said that i better do partitions with gparted
[14:09] <holstein> xubuntu427: theres a different in "it just installed over windows", and "grub didnt automatically make a windows entry
[14:10] <holstein> xubuntu427: sure... what i would *not* do, is make linux partitions with windows
[14:10] <xubuntu427> so my windows are still somwhere?
[14:10] <holstein> xubuntu427: i dont know what your system is like, but if you didnt install over the ntfs partition, then its there
[14:10] <holstein> the installer did what you asked it to do
[14:11] <holstein> !grub is a nice resource
[14:11] <holstein> !grub
[14:11] <Pici> holstein: will ignore
[14:11] <knome> Pici, :)
[14:12] <holstein> Pici: sorry.. i joined to say i had messed that up :)
[14:12] <xubuntu427> !
[14:12] <xubuntu427> !grub
[18:42] <Grandpa_smasher> hey
[18:44] <Grandpa_smasher> im haveing wifi problems AR9484 aetheros, cant resolve servers 1/2 the time... is this driver or dns issue that can be fixed?
[18:44] <Grandpa_smasher> AR9485 i mean
[19:11] <craigbass1976> I shut the lid on my laptop.  When I open it back up, the password window is VERY dim.  AFter I type in the password, all of XFCE is dim.  If I go to a new login, that screen is bright, but once I login in agian I'm back at the dim password screen
[19:21] <craigbass1976> However, if I log out (using the dim screen after I've unlocked it) things are fine when I come back into a fresh XFCE.  Anyone run into this?  It used to happen to me every once in a while, but the girl who owns the laptop now seems to have it happening more often.
[19:23] <tim___> hi whats a good music program to just listen to music with?
[19:27] <tim___> anyone?
[19:30] <skellat> tim___: VLC
[19:35] <craigbass1976> tim___, yes, vlc.
[19:47] <sobiwankenobi> hello i was wondering if anyone could help me figure out some issues i am having with the xubuntu install
[19:48] <sobiwankenobi> anybody online?
[19:48] <pAt__> sobiwankenobi, don't ask to ask, pls just ask and wait patiently and see if somebody will answer.
[19:51] <sobiwankenobi> just checking pat, not to familiar with irc
[19:52] <pAt__> ok, no problem sobiwankenobi
[19:52] <pAt__> just explain your problems in detail and wait a while
[19:58] <sobiwankenobi> sure, i am attempting to install xubuntu 12.10 in virtualbox on my windows 7 machine. the installation runs smoothly until I reach the point where I need to create my user name and password. at this point i cannot type anything into the fields. i am able to use the mouse just fine, but the keyboard does not work
[20:23] <Cheri703> sobiwankenobi: perhaps make sure virtualbox is capturing the keyboard properly?
[20:28] <the_guy> Im looking for a good music playing program that will organize a big volume of music and allow me to edit the tags
[20:28] <Cheri703> Might check out amarok? I like it. :)
[20:29] <the_guy> ill try that :)
[20:30] <sobiwankenobi> thank you for the suggestion, vbox says the keyboard is captured, judging by the icon on the bottom right, but when i run the live session of xubuntu from the iso i cannot use the keyboard either so clearly there is a disconnect somewhere
[20:30] <Cheri703> hmm...at the top right do you have the accessibility icon? like a blue circle with a  white guy in it?
[20:31] <Cheri703> might be able to turn on the on-screen keyboard to get through the setup then troubleshoot from there?
[20:31] <sobiwankenobi> that would be great
[20:31] <sobiwankenobi> its not on the top but perhaps i can find it in the launcher
[20:31] <Cheri703> ah, yeah, if it's live booted first
[20:32] <Cheri703> it'd be accessories > onboard
[20:32] <Guest17345> how do I access xubuntu documentation?
[20:32] <Cheri703> if it's laid out how it is once installed
[20:32] <Cheri703> or under "accessibility" if you have that
[20:32] <Cheri703> but the keyboard is called "onboard"
[20:32] <sobiwankenobi> ok great thanks a lot cheri
[20:32] <Cheri703> sure!
[20:34] <sobiwankenobi> you are a hero, the onscreen keyboard works hopefully i can fix the real problem once xubuntu is fully installed
[20:34] <Cheri703> \o/
[20:34] <Cheri703> good luck!
[20:35] <Guest17345> how do I add a directory to my PATH?
[20:35] <Guest17345> i'm reading alot of contradictary information on internet when it comes to xubuntz
[20:36] <Guest17345> some places it says add to .profile
[20:36] <Guest17345> on others it says at to bashrc
[20:36] <Unit193> You can add PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin  to .bashrc for example, or just export it.
[20:36] <the_guy> cheri703, one other question any idea how to get me screen brightness adjustment back on an aspire one acer netbook?
[20:37] <the_guy> my*
[20:37] <Cheri703> that one is out of my league :) I just switched to xubuntu from vanilla ubuntu on thursday. Some stuff I can help with, others not quite. ;)
[20:37] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  what does   echo $SHELL   return in a terminal ?
[20:38] <the_guy> okay.
[20:38] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, bin/bash
[20:38] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  I'd use .bash_profile then
[20:39] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, where can i find the file?
[20:39] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, Is the syntax PATH=$PATH:(directory)?
[20:39] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  if it's not in /home/you then you can make it yourself
[20:40] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  I use   [[ -d ~/.bin ]]     && PATH=~/.bin:"${PATH}"
[20:42] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, thanks you wouldn't know any book or page that would teach me how to understand this exacly because i'm very unfamiliar with the bash environment etc?
[20:43] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, the code you gave me is shell script right, would that be a good place to start actually learn shellscript?
[20:43] <Guest17345> or if anyone else has some answer sorry well_laid_lawn don't want to jump all over you with questions
[20:45] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345: see if this gets you started -  http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/start
[20:45] <Guest17345> thanks man
[20:45] <well_laid_lawn> a shell script is just a file with terminal commands in it that is made executable
[20:47] <Guest17345> ok
[20:50] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, this is the directory, you think you could just write down how you would do it, for me? : /usr/local/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux
[20:52] <Guest17345> i'm sorry i'm just completly unfamiliar with these commands and I hate writing something without understanding a minimum about it
[20:53] <well_laid_lawn> Guest17345:  sure. something like   [[ -d /usr/local/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux ]] && PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux:"${PATH}"
[20:53] <well_laid_lawn> you'll have to logout and back in to check if edits to .bash_profile are working
[20:54] <Guest17345> well_laid_lawn, awesome thank you very much
[20:55] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[20:55] <skellat> BOOOOOO
[20:55] <Guest17345> yes it works
[20:55] <skellat> Librarians should not have this sort of power in the United States
[20:56] <skellat> Dang it, wrong screen
[20:56]  * skellat runs away sheepishly
[21:10] <chrisc___> How do I mount an nfs directory to a directory /logs if there are active processes writing data to the directory? Would I need to init to a different level or maybe kill the processes, rename the folder to save current data, then mount the nfs to /logs, then restart? Would this work?
[21:19] <TheSheep> chrisc___: no need for that
[21:19] <TheSheep> chrisc___: the processes that have open handle for files in the underlying directory will just still have those handles open
[21:20] <TheSheep> chrisc___: and will write to those files as if nothing happend
[21:20] <TheSheep> chrisc___: and the when they try to open new files, they will open the ones from the mounted directory
[21:21] <TheSheep> chrisc___: usually you can send them the USR1 signal to make them close their log files and reopen them without terminating them
[21:21] <TheSheep> (depends on the program though)
[21:21] <chrisc___> I used logs as an example. In fact the proceses are bro, elsa, tcpdump, and some others.
[21:22] <TheSheep> well, as long as they not close and repone the files, they will just have the old files open
[21:22] <TheSheep> reopen*
[21:23] <chrisc___> I still don't follow. The FAQ of the application says that logs are stored in /nsm and that two ways to store on a different mount point are to 1) mount a separate drive to /nsm or 2) make /nsm a symlink to the new logging location.
[21:24] <chrisc___> Method 2 in the FAQ says that to avoid AppArmor issues there needs to be mods madein the usr.sbin.mysqld & tcpdump files copying the nsm line. But I can't find the nsm line in the files. So...
[21:24] <chrisc___> How do I perform method 1?
[21:24] <TheSheep> I have no idea about apparmor
[21:24] <TheSheep> never needed to mess with it
[21:24] <chrisc___> neither do i ;)
[21:25] <TheSheep> !apparmor
[21:25] <TheSheep> perhaps that will have any helpful information :(
[21:25] <chrisc___> But I've done nfs mounts before but never to directory that is actively being used.
[21:26] <TheSheep> chrisc___: it doesn't matter, it just works
[21:26] <TheSheep> chrisc___: like, it covers up that directory, but anything that had anything open there still keeps it
[21:26] <chrisc___> Ok. going at it now
[21:32] <sobiwankenobi> all i have to say is virtualbox is very sketchy software
[21:35] <torax> how so ?
[21:42] <sobiwankenobi> i have just had a lot of difficulty installing xubuntu in it
[21:48] <torax> sobiwankenobi: I have never had any problems installing anything in virtualbox
[21:52] <sobiwankenobi> idk what the problem is, but the keyboard stopped working mid install
[21:53] <knome> got to agree with torax, i've installed xubuntu times and times in vbox, and haven't had any problems
[21:53] <sobiwankenobi> maybe i just need to try it again
[21:54] <sobiwankenobi> when you guys created the vm the first time did you choose "ubuntu" as the operating system?
[21:55] <Cheri703> sobiwankenobi: what is the host OS?
[21:55] <Cheri703> I prefer VMware player whenever I can use it
[21:56] <Cheri703> also are you using the virtualbox that is completely free or the one you download from the virtualbox site?
[21:56] <Cheri703> that can make a difference
[21:57] <knome> Cheri703, only with usb and 3d support
[21:57] <knome> Cheri703, usb should work anyway, not just high-speed - that isn't the reason why keyboard is not working
[21:59] <Cheri703> I always had a variety of issues with vbox when I used the completely free version. Not just usb and 3d support. Just a variety of things that were glitchy. I still avoid vbox as much as possible, but I have to use it for work sometimes. On my home machines I opt for VMware Player instead. The ONLY issue I've had with it was when the linux kernel updated and I had to patch VMware Player. Beyond that it has been basically seamless use for a few
[21:59] <Cheri703> years now.
[22:00] <sobiwankenobi> host os is windows 7
[22:00] <knome> Cheri703, have you installed the guest additions?
[22:00] <Cheri703> yeah, I'd say try VMware player (it doesn't exist for mac, that's why I asked)
[22:01] <sobiwankenobi> is VMware player free?
[22:01] <Cheri703> knome: yes, I tried literally everything I could and it still had issues. solving my problems from a long time ago isn't the topic at hand, getting sobiwankenobi a working Xubuntu VM is :)
[22:01] <Cheri703> yeah
[22:01] <Cheri703> yeah it's free
[22:01] <sobiwankenobi> ok
[22:01] <sobiwankenobi> i will try that out
[22:01] <sobiwankenobi> thanks guys
[22:12] <sobiwankenobi> so far the installation process with vmware player is much smoother
[22:12] <Cheri703> \o/
[22:12] <sobiwankenobi> but im not counting my chickens till they are hatched lol
[22:16] <Cheri703> heh
[22:19] <Manny> Hi everyone - I need some assistance
[22:20] <sobiwankenobi> whats up manny
[22:20] <Guest15981> I am trying to download Xubuntu onto a 128G Flash drive
[22:21] <Guest15981> I have the torrent and downloaded uTorrent as the client
[22:21] <sobiwankenobi> ok, what is the problem
[22:23] <Guest15981> it says Error: Writetodisk: Access
[22:23] <Guest15981> in the uTorrent client
[22:24] <torax> Guest15981: please note there are other good torrent clients that are not adware.
[22:24] <torax> transmission for example
[22:24] <esph> transmission is very nice
[22:24] <Guest15981> ok so this will work better than uTorrent?
[22:25] <esph> works on all the major platorms (I think), too
[22:25] <torax> well, id say anything works better than software that installs ads without asking me
[22:25] <esph> platforms*
[22:25] <Guest15981> is it the client that I am using or did I download it wrong?  I saved the client to the flash drive, should I have saved the client to the PC?
[22:25] <Cheri703> Guest15981: you might try downloading the iso to your hard drive first
[22:26] <Guest15981> Ok thank you
[22:28] <sobiwankenobi> cheri, xubuntu 12.10 is up and running on vmware! thanks so much
[22:29] <esph> So I've got a new laptop here with a small mSATA SSD piggy-backing on a regular spinny drive, and I was wondering what y'all would think is the best way to utilize that fast storage (24GB worth)
[22:29] <esph> (I'm in the process of installing, btw. just got to the partitioning part)
[22:33] <torax> hmm, maybe use the 24 GB as / and the regular hdd as /home
[22:34] <torax> if 24GB is enough as / for you
[22:37] <knome> ssd should really be used as /
[22:37] <knome> that way you'll benefit the most out of it
[22:37] <esph> torax: this was my original thought, but I've also seen discussion about using it as a cache (which is how windows would use it)
[22:38] <knome> esph, how much ram do you have?
[22:38] <esph> 8GB
[22:38] <knome> do you think you'll ever need that?
[22:38] <knome> i mean, are you going to do operations that constantly require max. possible (over 8GB)
[22:39] <esph> knome: I mean like the kind of "smart cache" that windows would do with this SSD (there are linux utilities that offer similar functionality)
[22:39] <esph> putting some frequently used programs and data there, or whatever
[22:40] <knome> i believe if you mount the SSD as / and the HDD as /home, the smart cache utilities will use the SSD anyway
[22:41] <esph> They would have less freedom over what to put there in that case, though, since I've taken up at least half of the space by doing that
[22:41] <Cheri703> sobiwankenobi: awesome!
[22:41] <Cheri703> Glad to hear it :)
[22:42] <esph> but if you think putting root there is easily the best use, then I'll go for that
[22:42] <knome> that will speed up booting and running applications a lot
[22:42] <esph> right
[22:42] <knome> i'd definitely do that at least :)
[22:47] <entreri> hey there, I'm trying to install Chromium from Ubuntu Software Center, but I can't press the "Install" button, it just does nothing. Any ideas why ?
[22:50] <torax> entreri: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[22:52] <entreri> torax: sorry but I've asked from USC...
[22:53] <entreri> I want to fix my broken Ubuntu Software Center...
[22:53] <esph> knome: do I need to use the advanced partitioning tool to accomplish this?
[22:54] <knome> esph, probably, since you have two disks
[22:54] <esph> hmm, ok
[22:54] <esph> haven't been able to find a good guide for it
[22:54] <Cheri703> entreri: whenever something is behaving oddly like that, my first step is to reboot and try it again, just to make sure something else isn't affecting things
[22:54] <knome> esph, if you have questions, feel free to ask here
[22:55] <esph> I've partitioned several drives from the command line, but I'm not really sure what I should do here
[22:55] <knome> command line?
[22:55] <esph> shell
[22:55] <esph> *
[22:55] <esph> w/e
[22:55] <entreri> Cheri703: Well I did not reboot since I updated so I should try that
[22:55] <knome> esph, there should be an advanced tool with a gui
[22:55] <knome> esph, or are you using the alternate installer?
[22:56] <esph> regular installer
[22:56] <esph> I've seen the gui partitioner
[22:57] <entreri> Cheri703: but yeah, my "Install" button is greyed
[22:58] <esph> using the utilities I've used in the past, I'd know how to make sure / and /home ended up in the right places, but I'm not sure I'll do it right using this. I'm probably worrying to much, though.
[22:58] <knome> esph, if you don't have any data to lose, then you should just try :)
[22:58] <esph> I'm also not sure if the laptop will accept /boot being on the mSATA drive or not
[22:58] <knome> why not?
[22:58] <esph> sometimes they can be silly like that
[22:59] <esph> but I guess I'll try it
[22:59] <knome> esph, good luck!
[23:00] <esph> knome: thanks
[23:02] <esph> knome: does the bootloader that comes with Xubuntu need fat32?
[23:02] <esph> also, what size is it
[23:02] <knome> no, doesn't need fat. don't know about the actual size
[23:03] <esph> So, everything can be ext4 then?
[23:03] <knome> yes
[23:03] <esph> ok, cool
[23:11] <entreri_> hello, so the install button in "Ubuntu Software Center" is greyed out, I know what is the problem but I don't know how to solve it. The problem is that I would be able to install a software from USC if I have a "working internet connection", I'm connected with Bluetooth PAN and it seems that USC thinks I'm not connected to the internet, any ideas how to fix that ?
[23:22] <GridCube> entreri, its a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/911706
[23:22] <GridCube> entreri, just use synaptic
[23:26] <entreri> GridCube: thanks, nice to know it's high priority
[23:28] <GridCube> but really entreri just use synaptic or plain old apt-get


[01:42]  * igc back in a few hours
[03:55] <spm> *** FYI. Launchpad Codehost will be going down shortly for a code update. ~ 5-10 mins before I'll be doing so; ETA of outage < 30 secs, all going well. ***
[04:05] <spm> *** About to restart Launchpad codehost for a code update ***
[04:07] <spm> *** all done ***
[05:40] <TimMiao> hello, I'm a newbie on bzr, I have an issue when I'm going to bzr launchpad-login with my id, it always tells me:
[05:40] <TimMiao> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: curl connection error (error setting certificate verify locations:
[05:40] <TimMiao>   CAfile: /etc/curl/curlCA
[05:40] <TimMiao>   CApath: none
[05:40] <TimMiao> )
[05:40] <TimMiao> on https://launchpad.net/~tim-miao/%2Bsshkeys
[05:40] <TimMiao> I'm sure I've uploaded my public rsa key, what's the problem?
[05:40] <bob2> heh curl
[05:40] <TimMiao> I'm using the bzr on OpenSolaris 2010.03 release
[05:43] <TimMiao> bob2: excuse me?
[05:43] <TimMiao> bob2: would you please give me some clue in detail? thanks! :)
[05:43] <bob2> no, sorry
[05:52] <igc> back
[05:58] <poolie> bob2, that was kind of harsh
[05:58] <bob2> sorry :| I misread it as being from get, so was going to suggest http+urllib
[05:58] <bob2> but then realised I had no idea
[06:00] <bob2> s/get/branch/
[06:01] <poolie> i would guess he was trying to lp-login and it's trying to send xmlrpc over ssl
[06:01] <poolie> and that's failing
[06:04] <poolie> k, sprint stuff sent
[06:56] <vila> hi all !
[07:21] <poolie> hi vila
[07:21] <vila> hey poolie !
[07:24] <vila> poolie: I'll submit a fix shortly for bug #474807 and I did apply for patch piloting this week
[07:27] <vila> poolie: since the active review list is mainly from core, I plan to dig the wip queue and maybe have  a look at the bugs with patches
[07:28] <poolie> hey, that's pretty good
[07:28] <poolie> i barely saw you last week, being away and then having some activities in the evening
[07:29] <vila> I paused a bit on the merge stuff, concentrating on some plugin paths and log bugs, thanks for the past reviews and even more thanks for the coming ones ;-)
[07:29] <poolie> that's ok
[07:30] <poolie> i spent today mostly doing some clerical things, including getting organized for Belgium
[07:30] <poolie> i'm planning to take a holiday in the week after easter
[07:30] <vila> there are two merges (well conflicts really) submissions waiting for review anyway
[07:30] <vila> coll
[07:30] <vila> cool
[07:35] <dcoles> Anyone got an idea why `bzr serve --git` is currently hard coded to localhost?
[07:35] <poolie> in what sense?
[07:37] <dcoles> poolie: The serve_git function in server.py (of the bzr-git plugin) calls "server = TCPGitServer(backend, 'localhost')"
[07:37] <dcoles> (At the very bottom of the file)
[07:37] <dcoles> I'm just checking if trunk is the same
[07:39] <dcoles> Yup. In trunk too
[07:39]  * dcoles opens a bug
[07:45] <vila> gah, there are days....
[07:45] <vila> I read the above 'In trunk too' as '"I'm drunk too" and then 'opens a bug' as 'opens a mug'....
[07:45]  * vila get more coffeee
[07:46] <dcoles> Hahaha
[07:57] <dcoles> bug 543998
[07:58] <dcoles> Looks pretty simple. I might try and write up a patch on the train home.
[08:07]  * igc dinner
[09:35] <bialix> Heya GaryvdM
[09:36] <GaryvdM> Hi bialix
[09:36] <bialix> I'm thinking about starting packaging 0.18.4
[09:36] <GaryvdM> I've just committed some tests for treewidget select all.
[09:37] <GaryvdM> bialix: Cool. Let me know If I can help at all.
[09:38] <GaryvdM> bialix: I'll do 0.19b1 on Wednesday (24th) evening.
[09:39] <bialix> GaryvdM: you can help, yes. Can you confirm I can start 0.18.4 or you have some plans?
[09:40] <GaryvdM> bialix: Yes you can start on 0.18.4.
[09:40] <bialix> GaryvdM: ok, I've let the 0.19b1 for you then
[09:41] <GaryvdM> bialix: I'm working on some stuff for trunk. So I want to leave 0.19b1 for the last minute.
[09:41] <bialix> ok
[09:41] <bialix> in the end it's b1
[09:41] <GaryvdM> Yes :-)
[09:43] <bialix> GaryvdM: I have last revno 1227 in 0.18 branch. (Restore test removed by rev 1225.) That's correct?
[09:43]  * GaryvdM looks
[09:43] <bialix> GaryvdM: can you skim through NEWS?
[09:44] <bialix> GaryvdM: and one more thing: do you have a tree name for this release ;-) ?
[09:44] <dcoles> jelmer: Have you seen bug 543998
[09:44] <bialix> GaryvdM: what about bug #533837?
[09:47] <GaryvdM> bialix: The revision is correct. NEWS has every thing. (Except test improvements, which I don't think should be in NEWS)
[09:48] <bialix> GaryvdM: do you have objections for codename "pussy-willow"?
[09:49] <GaryvdM> Sounds good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_willow
[09:50] <bialix> yes, it is
[09:51] <GaryvdM> bialix: I'm looking at bug 533837.
[09:51] <GaryvdM> I did not target that bug btw.
[09:52] <bialix> GaryvdM: it seems igc has assigned it to you and to 0.18.4. I've removed milestone assignment
[09:53] <GaryvdM> bialix: Ok - I'm not going to look at it now. I'm going to stay focused on what I'm doing (treewidget stuff)
[09:53] <bialix> GaryvdM: that's great
[09:58] <vila> bialix, GaryvdM : Hi guys !
[09:58] <bialix> bonjour vila!
[09:59] <vila> GaryvdM: Test improvements in NEWS give *me* a warm feeling of confidence ;-)
[09:59] <GaryvdM> Hi vila
[10:04] <bialix> qbzr 0.18.4 released. w00t!
[10:04] <jelmer> dcoles: yep
[10:05] <jelmer> dcoles: I'd consider that a low-priority bug, we need more testing of the server first
[10:05] <dcoles> Ah. OK.
[10:06] <dcoles> Wasn't quite sure of it's status, though it's been mighty handy of late :)
[10:06] <bialix> it seems vila enjoyed piloting :-)
[10:07] <jelmer> dcoles: so it's working ok for you?
[10:08] <dcoles> jelmer: For a very trivial repository, yes. I might just try something more complex
[10:10] <dcoles> jelmer: Though it appears to be serving the wrong branch...
[10:11]  * bialix finishes the qbzr release
[10:14] <dcoles> jelmer: It seems to be a tad confused in a shared repository. Regardless of how I try and clone, it grabs the first branch I pulled
[10:15] <dcoles> (I have 2 branches in this directory)
[10:16] <jelmer> bialix: \o/
[10:16] <bialix> hi jelmer, thank you!
[10:16] <jelmer> dcoles: how are you cloning from it, git clone ?
[10:16] <dcoles> Yup
[10:18] <jelmer> IIRC it should just grab all branches in that case
[10:19] <dcoles> I tried git clone git://localhost/nonexistantfoo and I still get the same branch
[10:19] <dcoles> This is even if I try and serve from the other branch (rather than the shared repo)
[10:22] <dcoles> Though I notice that `bzr serve --proto=bzr` refuses to branch when it's not run from the shared repo
[10:23] <mobby> Hi, I wonder if anyone would be able to help me please? I'm doing a lightweight checkout of an svn repo and it is failing with an "Unable to find old fileid for..." for a file in the svn repo. Any ideas what would cause this?
[10:24] <vila> fullermd: quick check on FreeBSD8, is /var/crash the right and only place to search for left over dumps after a hard crash ? (One that required running fsck and then some)
[10:25]  * vila shudders, rats, crashing again :(
[10:26] <jelmer> dcoles: hmm, that's probably a bug :-(
[10:27] <dcoles> jelmer: Ok. I'll see if I can reproduce the circumstances and file it
[11:15] <gioele> hello
[11:16] <gioele> is there a public installation of the current trac-bzr?
[11:19] <bialix> gioele: do you mean: to see it in action?
[11:20] <gioele> bialix: yes
[11:21] <bialix> I'm not sure about "current"
[11:21] <bialix> but there was some open-source project using it
[11:22] <bialix> what exactly you want to see?
[11:23] <bialix> jelmer: do you know any existing public server with trac-bzr?
[11:26] <gioele> bialix: I would like to see how it looks like: how branches are managed, whether relationships between branches are shows, how the timeline looks like, etc.
[11:27] <bialix> branches are not managed
[11:27] <bialix> relations between branches is not shown
[11:27] <bialix> I'm using it at my work
[11:27] <bialix> timeline shows revisions on;y for the mainline
[11:27] <bialix> *only
[11:28] <gioele> bialix: "how branches are managed" as in "how multiple branches in the same shared repo are shown"
[11:28] <bialix> gioele: as directories
[11:28] <bialix> lemme show you some images
[11:29] <gioele> bialix: so basically it still looks like http://bugs.bitlbee.org/bitlbee/browser
[11:30] <bialix> gioele: here http://imagebin.ca/view/ZrY9m2.html
[11:30] <bialix> gioele: yes
[11:31] <bialix> gioele: do you know do they're using trac-bzr or ?
[11:32] <gioele> bialix: they = bitlbee? Yes, I think so: that page is linked from the old wiki page of TracBzr
[11:33] <bialix> yes, bitlbee
[11:37] <tenchi> hello
[11:38] <tenchi> I'm using bzr in ubuntu with Bazaar Explorer. is there any way to export my projects log history (in html format)?
[11:39] <bialix> gioele: there is also [[Branches]] macro to use in wiki pages
[11:39] <bialix> tenchi: no, we don't have such feature yet
[11:39] <bialix> tenchi: but there is special plugin to do so
[11:39] <bialix> check htmllog
[11:40] <bialix> also there is xmloutput plugin do support xml output of some commands
[11:40] <tenchi> thx, will google it
[11:41] <tenchi> also: using hungarian characters in the commit text provided some errors
[11:41] <tenchi> are you working on utf8-ing it?
[11:42] <gioele> tenchi: is should be unicode/utf8 clean
[11:42] <gioele> tenchi: what did you use to read the commit log?
[11:42] <bialix> tenchi: I'm working with Russian and it's fine (on Windows)
[11:42] <tenchi> hmmm
[11:42] <bialix> tenchi: make sure you have correct LANG settings
[11:42] <tenchi> just checked it and it works
[11:42] <tenchi> strange
[11:43] <tenchi> will tray again at next commit
[11:43] <tenchi> typed all texts in english because of this
[11:44] <gioele> tenchi: I have been using Italian accents and German vowels for quite a long time and everything seems fine
[11:45] <bialix> tenchi: http://michael.ellerman.id.au/bzr/plugins/htmllog
[11:45] <tenchi> ok, will not whine if it works :-D
[11:45] <tenchi> When I first tried there was some error but I can't remamber what...
[11:45] <bialix> tenchi: ghosts
[11:52] <tenchi> I just tried the gnulog plugin and it works fine for me :-D
[11:54] <bialix> omg
[12:05] <LeoNerd> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572109  <== anyone know if this bzr-svn bug is going to be fixed any time soon?
[12:05] <LeoNerd> I'm sure it can't be that hard, and I'd really appreciate being able to 'bzr shelve' in my svn checkouts again
[12:05] <jelmer> LeoNerd: it's already fixed upstream
[12:05] <LeoNerd> Ah excellent
[12:06] <LeoNerd> Hmm.. if I bzr co a later copy of bzr-svn would that do it?
[12:06] <jelmer> LeoNerd: yeah
[12:06] <LeoNerd> OK thanks
[12:11] <aburch> Is it possible to use "bzr send" (or something else) to send only specific changes?
[12:11] <jelmer> aburch: you can give it a revision range
[12:13] <aburch> jelmer: "bzr send -r 1961..1962" still bundles two revisions (the same with -r 1962..1962, -r 1962) when the remote has rev 1960
[12:15] <LeoNerd> jelmer: Thanks; that fixes it. Have commented on the debian bug to this effect too; hopefully they'll pull it
[12:15] <jelmer> LeoNerd: they == me :-)
[12:15] <LeoNerd> Ah. :)
[12:15] <jelmer> aburch: What are you trying to do exactly ? Sending a bundle without those revisions seems pointless since the remote side won't be able to apply it.
[12:15] <jelmer> s/side/site/
[12:18] <aburch> jelmer: I fixed a bug and used "bzr send" to send the patch, now I fixed something else and wanted to send only the second commit upstream.
[12:20] <aburch> jelmer: Git could do this with "git format-patch -1".  As long as the patches do not depend on each other, upstream should be able to apply them seperately.
[12:21] <jelmer> aburch: bzr bundles in their current form are intended to keep history (e.g. revision ids stay the same), that's not necessarily the case for "git format-patch"
[12:22] <jelmer> aburch: I guess to answer your question: it's not possible at the moment, but please file a bug report about it.
[12:23] <aburch> jelmer: Hmm, ok.  Then I will either look into how Bzr handles branches or just use "bzr diff". (And file the report.)
[16:50] <dvheumen> hey lifeless, got time for a question about the high(er) level lock hooks?
[17:14] <jelmer> dvheumen: I think he's asleep, being in .au
[17:14] <dvheumen> ah right okay
[17:15] <dvheumen> are you up for a (simple) question by any chance?
[17:15] <jelmer> For certain values of "simple", sure :-)
[17:17] <dvheumen> jelmer, maybe you already caught on to that, the idea was that I'd implement a slightly "higher" level of lock hooks. I've been browsing around the code for a good location (or locations) and I think that, for the working trees, I could best implement it in the MutableTree class. But the MutableTree class only "implements" lock_write and lock_tree_write but no lock_read.
[17:18] <dvheumen> So I was wondering, was lock_read just forgotten, or should I take the implementation up to MemoryTree and WorkingTree classes
[17:18] <dvheumen> because lock_write and lock_tree_write only raise NotImplementedException and nothing more
[17:23] <dvheumen> I personally think I could best implement it in MutableTree, but I wanted to wait for some confirmation :)
[17:23] <dvheumen> ow w8, not it's not, it's stupid, because the actual locking implementation isn't there
[17:23] <dvheumen> nevermind
[17:24] <jelmer> dvheumen: MutableTree seems like the best place to me
[17:24] <jelmer> WorkingTree could be thought of as OnDiskMutableTree
[17:25] <dvheumen> jelmer, but then I could only do the implementation partially, right
[17:25] <jelmer> dvheumen: yes, but the interface would be on MutableTree
[17:25] <jelmer> dvheumen: how the subclasses of MutableTree call the hook is up to them
[17:25] <dvheumen> okay, that's exactly what I was thinking. okay tnx
[17:26] <dvheumen> in that case I also know what (approximate) level to choose for the branch and repository hooks :)
[17:52] <dark_soul> how can i use bzr to delete a branch?
[17:54] <mgedmin> is it difficult to define a custom location scheme a la lp:projectname?
[17:54] <mgedmin> it gets tiring to type bzr+ssh://servername/prefix/for/all/my/bzr/repos/ all the time
[17:58] <maxb> No, it's pretty simple, I suggest looking at how the launchpad plugin defines lp:
[17:59] <maxb> (which is slightly complicated only because it goes and hits an xml-rpc server to resolve the name)
[18:00] <jpds> mgedmin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/399436/
[18:00] <mgedmin> jpds, thanks, but it's a bit cryptic
[18:00] <mgedmin> is it ~/.bazaar/config?
[18:01] <jpds> mgedmin: ~/.bazaar/locations.conf
[18:02] <mgedmin> and what does it do?  lets be do cd ~/someproject/devell && bzr branch X  where X gets translated to prefix/X ?
[18:02] <jpds> mgedmin: You'll then be able to do: bzr push - from a branch and it will automatically go to lp~you/someproject/branchname
[18:03]  * mgedmin googles for locations.conf
[18:03] <mgedmin> thanks for the pointer
[18:03] <mgedmin> from what I see I'm not sure it's what I want, but I'll read
[18:06] <mgedmin> http://wiki.bazaar-vcs.org/ConfiguringBzr was not useful
[18:07] <mgedmin> no useful matches in wiki search
[18:08] <mgedmin> no matches at all in http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest
[18:08]  * mgedmin searches for appendpath
[18:09] <mgedmin> that works better
[20:00] <beuno> gar
[20:00] <beuno> I have a newbie question  :)
[20:00] <beuno> I have a revno that removed stuff
[20:00] <beuno> I want to revert only those changes
[20:01] <beuno> revert seems to not be what I want
[20:01] <beuno> and merging in that revision, or 111..112 (assuming 112 is the revno I that I want to revert) doesn't work either
[20:02] <james_w> merge -r 156..155 will undo the changes that you see with diff -c 156
[20:03] <beuno> of course, the other way around
[20:03] <beuno> *sigh*
[20:03] <beuno> thank you james_w   :)
[20:17] <NfNitLoop> hehe.
[20:49] <codygman> If I create a branch, then merge the changes, would I be able to revert back to that at any time?
[20:50] <codygman> or should I say... could I create a branch, commit, then revert back to what it was before that, while keeping the branch
[20:51] <GaryvdM> codygman: Yes.
[20:51] <codygman> alright cool
[20:51] <GaryvdM> codygman: You can do bzr uncommit
[20:52] <codygman> well here's what i'm trying to do
[20:52] <codygman> i'm experimenting with different facebook connect solutions on my django site.. and i'd like to keep note of each one
[20:52] <codygman> and be able to revert to the one i like
[20:53] <GaryvdM> codygman: for that, I would make a branch for each solution.
[20:53] <GaryvdM> codygman: And merge the one you want.
[20:53] <codygman> the branches stay until i delete them right?
[20:53] <GaryvdM> codygman: Yes
[20:54] <GaryvdM> codygman: or pull the one you want if you have no other commits in your main branch.
[20:54] <codygman> Thanks!
[20:54] <codygman> I have quite a few other commits lol
[20:58] <poolie> hi jam?
[21:00] <codygman> bzr branch "name of my branch" isn't the right syntax huh
[21:00] <codygman> is their anything similiar to that?
[21:00] <codygman> similar*
[21:00] <poolie> codygman: it's "branch FROM TO"
[21:00] <poolie> what do you want to do?
[21:00] <codygman> I just want to test out different facebook connect solutions on my django website
[21:00] <codygman> then be able to revert to the one I like most
[21:01] <poolie> ok, and they're already in different bzr branches? or you're going to write things in different branches?
[21:01] <codygman> there is currently only the master branch
[21:02] <codygman> basically.. I want to be able to revert to my website without the facebook connect plugins.. code the solution.. then do it for the other 2 possible solutions
[21:02] <codygman> and be able to revert to the one I like best
[21:03] <GaryvdM> codygman: (in the dir above master) bzr branch master solution1
[21:03] <GaryvdM> Hi poolie
[21:05] <codygman> then when I want to test.. I just merge right?
[21:05] <codygman> bzr merge solution1 master ?
[21:07] <GaryvdM> codygman: Run mange.py runserver in the branch
[21:07] <codygman> well.. this is actually on an apache server.. that's why i'm trying to get everything working in that directory
[21:08] <GaryvdM> Ok, 2 options:
[21:09] <GaryvdM> 1. use the bzr-colo plugin
[21:09] <GaryvdM> that allows you to have more than one branch in the same dir.
[21:11] <GaryvdM> 2. step 1: branch apache-dir ~/proj/master
[21:11] <poolie> hi gary
[21:12] <GaryvdM> step 2: edit  apache-dir, commit, push ~/proj/solution1
[21:13] <GaryvdM> step 3: (in apache-dir) bzr pull ~/proj/master
[21:13] <GaryvdM> go back to step 2 repeat
[21:14] <GaryvdM> when you chose, pull master, then merge concision solution.
[21:14] <GaryvdM> codygman: ^
[21:15] <codygman> I'm reading! Thanks for that. I think i'm going to try the bzr-colo plugin
[21:15] <codygman> if i can't do it with that, i'll use option 2
[21:16] <GaryvdM> codygman: I would recomend trying: branch into your home dir, and run with ./manage.py runserver
[21:16] <fullermd> vila: Yes, that's where crashdumps get copied to on boot, unless you change it.
[21:17] <GaryvdM> codygman: I had good mileage with that when I was working with django.
[21:21] <codygman> you mean runserver?
[21:24] <GaryvdM> codygman: Yes, runserver, and working with branches in my home dir.
[21:28] <GaryvdM> night all
[22:00] <humphreybc> hi
[22:00] <humphreybc> we have a pretty big problem
[22:00] <humphreybc> our branch has randomly jumped back about 30 revisions and we're not sure why
[22:00] <humphreybc> we may have lost a crapload of work but not sure
[22:00] <humphreybc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/changes
[22:01] <humphreybc> it was on 565, but then we think it got screwed when Sayantan pushed something and merged
[22:01] <humphreybc> no we have people sitting on 554 testing it all over the palce
[22:01] <bob2> pushing can do that
[22:02] <humphreybc> so we've got a tonne of people (hundreds) who are testing an older version, but on a newer revision number
[22:02] <humphreybc> what happens now?
[22:02] <bob2> bzr log -n0
[22:02] <humphreybc> that command gives me 0 - 65
[22:02] <humphreybc> we've got 500+ revisions
[22:03] <bob2> it should give you a long and complicated nested log
[22:03] <humphreybc> i might need to turn up my line count in terminal
[22:04] <bob2> run it through less
[22:04] <humphreybc> it looks like we've lost about 30 revisions, 2 days worth of work
[22:04] <bob2> really?
[22:04] <humphreybc> yes
[22:05] <humphreybc> which isn't particularly cool
[22:05] <humphreybc> do you mind jumping in to #ubuntu-manual ?
[22:05] <bob2> ok, two thinsg: push can change rev order, so look carefully at the output of bzr log -n0
[22:05] <bob2> also, those revs still exist on the computers of whoever committed them, so even if someone broke launchpad, you can recover them
[22:05] <bob2> (msot likely)
[22:06] <bob2> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/changes/525.1.17 < -s that the work you think is gone?
[22:07] <humphreybc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/399564/
[22:08] <humphreybc> and there is more, under rev 529.xx
[22:08] <humphreybc> but i'm presuming that stuff has been preserved?
[22:10] <humphreybc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/changes/525.4.25
[22:10] <humphreybc> that's more stuff that we had
[22:10] <humphreybc> is that stuff preserved, or is it gone?
[22:55] <mrooney> hey all! I've been searching around, is there something like a rebase, but that collapses your commits into just one?
[22:55] <mrooney> such as, I've made a bunch of commits , now I want to push it somewhere else as one
[22:56] <lifeless> bzr merge; bzr revert --forget-merges; bzr commit - that will discard the history of where the changes came from
[22:56] <lifeless> or if you just merge and commit, bzr log will, by default, show it as one change, and keeps the little details available if desired via log -n0
[22:58] <mrooney> lifeless: doesn't a simple merge squash the remote history, not the local history?
[22:59] <mrooney> or do I rebase and then merge, or something interesting
[23:03] <maxb> mrooney: You realize you could just uncommit multiple commits, then commit once?
[23:03] <mrooney> yeah certainly
[23:03] <mrooney> but as a workflow item, that's tedious and annoying
[23:04] <maxb> That's probably because squashing commits isn't a common workflow :-)
[23:04] <maxb> Why do you want to do it anyway?
[23:05] <lifeless> multiple uncommits + commit == merge ; revert --forget-merges, commit
[23:07] <maxb> yes, just depends whether you're already in a branch with the commits to be squashed
[23:14] <mwhudson> jelmer: ayt?
[23:14] <jelmer> mwhudson: otp
[23:15] <mrooney> maxb: I don't really, some people want to wrap our svn workflow and don't want all their local commits to end up as individual commits on the svn end
[23:18] <mwhudson> mkanat: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/513044/comments/6
[23:18] <jelmer> mwhudson: hello
[23:18] <mwhudson> jelmer: well, i have to admit i'm otp now too :)
[23:18] <mrooney> I'm hoping to convince them to just rebase and enjoy all the history being in svn
[23:18] <mwhudson> jelmer: but did you have time/brain energy to talk about incremental bzr-hg imports?
[23:19] <jelmer> mwhudson: I'm always excited to talk about bzr-hg imports!
[23:20] <mwhudson> jelmer: heh heh
[23:20] <mrooney> okay so if I can do a bzr branch of an svn repos
[23:21] <mrooney> and then someone else branches my branch, can they bzr push $SVN_REPOS without issue
[23:21] <mwhudson> jelmer: last time we talked, i think we decided that limiting in findmissing() would be too hard?
[23:21] <jelmer> mrooney: yes.
[23:22] <jelmer> mwhudson: yep
[23:22] <lifeless> yay, my new machine has shipped
[23:22] <mrooney> okay great
[23:23] <mrooney> and a silly question I think but one I've had a hard time googling an answer for
[23:23] <mrooney> if I've got a branch on my machine, what do I need to set up to have someone else be able to branch from it
[23:24] <mwhudson> jelmer: so where can you limit?
[23:24] <mwhudson> i guess i need to figure out what
[23:24] <mwhudson>         cg = self.source._hgrepo.changegroup(missing, 'pull')
[23:24] <mwhudson> is doing
[23:24] <mrooney> we're all on a LAN here, I've never figured out how to push and pull from another LAN machine
[23:24] <jelmer> mwhudson: you can't really limit what the server will send you, but you can limit how much you process
[23:25] <jelmer> mwhudson: cg is a unpacked hg bundle
[23:25] <mwhudson> oh ok, so addchangegroup needs to change?
[23:25] <jelmer> mwhudson: it contains three chunks of data in order - from memory: revisions, inventories and texts. We basically loop over all three and you'd need to limit how much processing you do in the first then skip irrelevant stuff in the second two loops.
[23:27] <mwhudson> jelmer: that sounds about right
[23:27] <mwhudson> i don't know what "skip irrelevant stuff" means in concrete terms
[23:29] <jelmer> mwhudson: inventories (manifests in mercurial jargon) that aren't referenced by any revisions that you're importing should be skipped as well as texts that aren't referenced by any of those manifests.
[23:29] <mwhudson> jelmer: sorry :-p
[23:29] <mwhudson> jelmer: i understood that much
[23:29] <jelmer> mwhudson: the revisions have references to the manifest ids
[23:30] <jelmer> and the manifests have references to the text ids
[23:30] <mwhudson> jelmer: ahh
[23:30] <mwhudson> so i'll need to keep track of some set()s i guess
[23:30] <jelmer> you might be able to leverage the existing datastructures
[23:30] <mwhudson> "referenced manifest ids" and so on
[23:30] <jelmer> since they try to keep track of what manifest is for what revision
[23:31] <RAOF> mrooney: SSH access should be sufficient for people to push/pull to/from you.
[23:31] <jelmer> and what mercurial file rev is for what bzr fileid/revid
[23:32] <mwhudson> jelmer: ok, that should be enough to keep me going until i have some more questions i guess
[23:32] <igc> morning
[23:34] <mrooney> RAOF: but would every user that wants to pull from me need a user on my machine?
[23:34] <jelmer> mwhudson: awesome
[23:34] <mrooney> is there any documentation I can read for this? I'm reading through http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/user-guide/organizing_branches.html and such, but I can't find anything that tells you how to actually set up the sharing
[23:34] <jelmer> hi Ian
[23:52] <mrooney> jelmer: okay one more question for you, I can't create a --stacked branch of an svn branch, correct?
[23:52] <mrooney> but what happens if someone branches --stacked my branch, and then tries to push to svn?
[23:52] <jelmer> mrooney: no
[23:53] <jelmer> mrooney: If they --stacked your branch, that would work and they would be able to push
[23:53] <jelmer> you just can't stack on a svn branch
[23:53] <mrooney> okay so I can branch an svn branch, serve it with bzr serve, and people can branch --stacked and push back to svn all they like? that seems good!
[23:54] <mwhudson> jelmer: grar
[23:55] <mwhudson> jelmer: the unpack_chunk_iter makes live a little awkward to do this, maybe
[23:55] <mwhudson> ^ interface


[05:46] <delt> zequence: i rebooted and the problem with the wallpaper selector fixed itself.
[09:18] <zequence> delt: Sweden
[09:19] <zequence> Gothenburg, Sweden
[11:12] <kunal> help fellas laptop touchpad scrolling is not working
[11:13] <kunal> it was working fine in live session and during post installation pre update phase
[11:16] <kunal> is anybody out there
[11:16] <kunal> facing same problem
[11:16] <kunal> i am using 14.04 LTS
[14:15] <OvenWerk1> delt: good to here about the the BG being fixed. I have often in the past (though not with 14.04 in my case) found that some things are odd after the first boot that are corrected by a second boot. Also, it is good to reboot after software updates, though again, I rarely do.
[14:28] <rhizo> Aloha
[14:30] <OvenWerk1> g'morning
[17:38] <ubuntu-studio> Hi all. Does anyone know if unbuntustudio's kernel is optimized for video editing?
[17:39] <ubuntu-studio> I'm currently comparing ubuntustudio 14 xfce and Linux Mint 16 xfce, but see no difference when using openshot or kdenlive with HD-videos.
[19:38] <lehthanis> heya, I have an audio/video question...
[19:38] <lehthanis> I'm trying to capture video with vlc.
[19:38] <lehthanis> it works...but I also want to record the audio in audacity...
[19:39] <lehthanis> I seem to be unable to do both by default...whichever of the two apps I start first grabs control of the audio and won't let the other receive it...is there a way to change that behaviour?
[20:05] <zequence> lehthanis: Why record the audio with another program? Just strip the audio from the video file once you're done
[20:05] <lehthanis> what's the easiest way to do that?
[20:06] <zequence> I don't do much of that, but I think you can do that in vlc even
[20:09] <lehthanis> ok...I'll fool around with that.  Would probably be easier for the guy-in-the-box...
[20:19] <lehthanis> so, I tried to use vlc to do convert/save and it appears to do it, but I end up with a sound file that is gibberish and it takes the full length of the playback to do it.  That's not really practical for what we're doing...
[20:19] <lehthanis> any other suggestions?
[20:31] <zequence> lehthanis: Not an awful lot of video editors hang out here usually, but you could google on what applications can do what you need, and check out their forums for help
[20:32] <lehthanis> yeah I just did a successful convert with winff
[20:32] <zequence> lehthanis: You could also try to import audio with something like audacity, even if it's a video file, but it will depend on which format it is
[20:33] <zequence> lehthanis: A quick search got me this http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/importing_audio.html
[20:34] <lehthanis> oh man, that worked! I never thought of that!\
[20:34] <lehthanis> That's even easier
[20:42] <lehthanis> well, I'm out of here, looks like I'm all set, thanks!!!
[21:02] <OvenWerk1> aleb: probably the two most used workflows for video might be some one who videos events such as weddings and prints them to DVDs and someone who makes videos to upload to youtube... like instructionals.
[22:50] <ridethespiral> anyone here running 14.04?
[23:17] <OvenWerk1> yes
[23:24] <ridethespiral> Any problems from the start? I'm having issues with videos / playing music
[23:25] <OvenWerk1> ridethespiral: I can't think of any problems
[23:27] <OvenWerk1> I have two sound cards, so make sure that pulse points at the one I use, And make sure the level is up on it becasue it is an odd card and pulse doesn't know how to do that... but those are not unique to 14.04 (or Ubuntu even)
[23:29] <ridethespiral> I had no issues with 12.04 but from with 14.04, videos wouldn't play and couldn't open audacious to play files. Pulseaudio volume control says "establishing connection to pulseaudio. please wait"
[23:29] <ridethespiral> Then out of the blue the video would start playing and audacious would play the file I tried opening
[23:29] <ridethespiral> then the videos stopped working...
[23:30] <ridethespiral> At one point pulseaudio volume control was working so I set up my recording interface as default device and it was working
[23:30] <OvenWerk1> So they are using alsa direct it sounds like
[23:31] <OvenWerk1> What kind of audio device are you using?
[23:31] <OvenWerk1> (USB, internal, PCI, etc)
[23:31] <ridethespiral> USB
[23:32] <OvenWerk1> Is there also one on the mother board?
[23:32] <ridethespiral> yes.
[23:32] <ridethespiral> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=08e1ecdf932b8434e24a83bdc98ba4fc28040b93
[23:38] <OvenWerk1> Two on the MB... at least. But as long as there is one pulse should start ok and alsa should be loaded which looks to be happening.
[23:38] <OvenWerk1> Which one are you using for your desktop audio out.
[23:38] <ridethespiral> I have no idea lol
[23:39] <ridethespiral> ohh you mean card.. RME babyface
[23:39] <ridethespiral> afaik...
[23:39] <OvenWerk1> Which one do you have the speakers connected to.
[23:39] <ridethespiral> I'm using the babyface for audio out
[23:40] <OvenWerk1> if you open pulseaudio's controller... the last tab is configuration.
[23:40] <OvenWerk1> turn off the cards you are not using.
[23:41] <ridethespiral> Pulseaudio volume control won't connect to pulseaudio
[23:41] <ridethespiral> I'm not trying to play anything, browsers are closed etc
[23:41] <OvenWerk1> on the sound icon there is a sound settings, That one?
[23:41] <ridethespiral> correct
[23:42] <OvenWerk1> Have you done anything with jack at all?
[23:42] <OvenWerk1> In a terminal try killall -9 jackd
[23:42] <ridethespiral> I opened it and connected it to see if my xruns improved from the upgrade
[23:43] <ridethespiral> ok one moment
[23:43] <ridethespiral> no process found
[23:44] <OvenWerk1> try jack_control stop
[23:45] <OvenWerk1> Not that these things should stop pulse from trying to run
[23:46] <ridethespiral> ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.99:/org/jackaudio/Controller: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[23:47] <OvenWerk1> OK, maybe try killall -9 jackdbus
[23:48] <ridethespiral> Alright. Still getting that establishing connection to pulseaudio message
[23:49] <OvenWerk1> close that window and try just typing pulseaudio in the terminal.
[23:49] <OvenWerk1> I think it will log errors to that window
[23:49] <ridethespiral> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[23:49] <ridethespiral> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[23:50] <OvenWerk1> That sounds like dbus errors.
[23:50] <OvenWerk1> Have you rebooted since the first install?
[23:50] <ridethespiral> multiple times
[23:52] <OvenWerk1> dbus communication seems to be not working, I am not sure where to go from there.
[23:52] <OvenWerk1> The session should have been started from dbus so that everything uses the same instance of dbus.
[23:54] <OvenWerk1> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[23:56] <ridethespiral> I appreciate trying to help :)
[23:56] <ridethespiral> ubuntustudio
[23:56] <OvenWerk1> Just making sure :) I think there is an xfce session available.
[23:57] <OvenWerk1> ps x should show a dbus process running
[23:57] <ridethespiral> no output from echo $XFCE_SESSION
[23:58] <ridethespiral> and what do you mean ps x?
[23:58] <OvenWerk1> ps x in the terminal will show running processes
[23:58] <OvenWerk1> dbus will be off the screen, so use shift page up to go up.
[23:59] <ridethespiral>  1558 ?        Ss     0:00 dbus-daemon --fork --session --address=unix:abstract=
[23:59] <OvenWerk1> Ya, things have changed since I last looked at it all, we are using upstart to start the session now.


[01:38] <spiv> poolie: btw, remembering a conversation from Thursday, removing say the old CHK1 and CHK2 formats would cut about 30s (of 10m) from selftest (forking on 4 cores).
[01:38] <lifeless> spiv: I had a branch to drop a bunch of formats way back... doit
[01:38] <spiv> poolie: and also, the subunit tools failed to help me determine that :(
[01:38] <lifeless> spiv: they did?
[01:39] <lifeless> spiv: there was a timing bug with --parallel that mgz fixed
[01:39] <spiv> lifeless: yeah, I need to dig, but e.g. the obvious subunit-filter --match invocation seemed to drop way more tests than is reasonable.
[01:39] <poolie> spiv, i kind of suspect they will become buggy once they're moved out
[01:39] <poolie> thanks for the data
[01:40] <spiv> poolie: well, they are old dev formats: I was thinking of deleting them entirely.
[01:40] <poolie> there are options: do nothing; just delete them; move them to a plugin; leave them in but untested by default
[01:40] <poolie> i think that's best too
[01:40] <lifeless> exactly, nuke and forget
[01:40] <spiv> I think I'd be against in-but-untested.
[01:40] <poolie> i don't think splitting to a plugin will be worth the current and ongoing work
[01:40] <poolie> make sure it's in whatsnew
[01:41] <poolie> and maybe post to the blog
[01:41] <spiv> Right: we have old releases for anyone sufficiently desperate.
[01:41] <poolie> with clear text about them only being dev formats
[01:52] <lifeless> we've done this before with less drama :)
[01:52] <lifeless> just noting
[05:04] <init> hello
[05:04] <init> question: is it possible to get CIA working with bzr_access?
[06:50] <poolie> i think so; not sure
[07:45] <poolie> a link to a zip holding an MS Write file
[07:45] <poolie> :?
[07:55] <poolie> spiv, i'm thinking of doing a 2.2.2 this week
[08:15] <poolie> night all
[08:18] <peitschie_> night poolie
[15:11] <zyga> lifeless, ping
[15:12] <zyga> lifeless, could you please review my merge of testtools.TestCase, testscenarios.TestWithScenarios and django.test.TestCase (+TransactionTestCase)
[15:22] <dstuart> Quick question, I have two separate active subversion instances that I wish to use bzr to merge the changes into one consolidated branch and then push back to only one of the subversion servers. Is this possible?
[16:39] <lifeless> zyga: link ?
[16:40] <zyga> lifeless, just a second
[16:41] <zyga> lifeless, https://code.launchpad.net/~zkrynicki/django-testscenarios/0.2/+merge/41474
[16:41] <zyga> lifeless, you can just look at the part relevant to init.py where the code actually lives\\
[16:41] <zyga> lifeless, and disregard everything else
[16:43] <zyga> lifeless, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zkrynicki/django-testscenarios/0.2/annotate/head%3A/django_testscenarios/__init__.py
[16:45] <lifeless> zyga: cool stuff, I've added what comments I have to it.
[16:46] <zyga> lifeless, thanks :)
[16:50] <zyga> lifeless, actually there is no redundancy there, django cheated a little bit in how it setups testing environment
[16:50] <zyga> lifeless, that made it not work with trivial inheritance
[16:51] <zyga> lifeless, or perhaps I misunderstood you somehow
[16:51] <lifeless> zyga: Well, I saw that the methods are different
[16:51] <lifeless> but they are about 80% the same
[16:52] <zyga> lifeless, you mean the if scenarios part?
[16:52] <lifeless> yah
[16:52] <lifeless> if you ever need to change it, you've got two places to do it
[16:54] <zyga> I see what you mean, I did not find any way to make it shorter that would still work with django, there's a nasty interplay of __calL__ and run() that happens otherwise
[16:54] <lifeless> yeah
[16:54] <lifeless> I could tell :)
[16:54] <sladen> bzr commit  locally tells me that it can't lock a remote lockfile
[16:54] <lifeless> testtools has a nice thing called RunTest which could in principle handle the scenarios glue for you - and the django transaction stuff, but its likely a little complex to get established
[16:55] <sladen> lifeless tells me this is because I don't have a full branch
[16:55] <sladen> so two questions (a) what's the workaround to turn whatever I have into something that I can commit to
[16:56] <sladen>         and (b) what would be the best jargon to file a bug that users should not need to know the difference and it should always "just work"
[16:59] <jam> sladen: if you did "bzr co --lightweight" you explicitly asked for something that did not have a branch of its own (--lightweight)
[17:00] <jam> bzr reconfigure --standalone ? will probably get you a full branch locally
[17:00] <jam> probably you'll want to check "bzr help reconfigure" as there are a few options
[17:02] <sladen> jam: don't recall having done --lightwieght at any point, hence puzzled
[17:03] <sladen> jam: bzr: ERROR: ... is already standalone.
[17:03] <lifeless> sladen: I said 'you hav a checkout of some sort' - I don't have a crystal ball to infer lightweight or not
[17:03] <lifeless> sladen: I contrasted that with 'struely independent branch'
[17:04] <lifeless> sladen: truely independent is not a synonym for full.
[17:04] <lifeless> sladen: did you do 'bzr co'
[17:04] <jam> sladen: sorry, "checkout" implies that commiting here will commit there
[17:04] <jam> if you have a non lightweight checkout, then you can "bzr unbind".
[17:05] <lifeless> sladen: As for a bug, there is already a general thing to overhaul the user experience vis-a-vis  workflow and defaults, I don't think a point item will help
[17:05] <sladen> jam: bzr unbind worked
[17:05] <lifeless> this is almost certainly another of the 'git is different to the rest of the world' issues.
[17:06] <sladen> lifeless: I think the users need to stop thinking that bzr is git, and the developers need to stop thinking that every usability/weird design issue is down to "not git" :)
[17:07] <lifeless> sladen: they don't think that.
[17:07] <lifeless> this area needs improvement.
[17:08] <lifeless> The specific expectation that checkout would be anything other than what it was for 30 years of non-D VCS is a bitkeeper inherited behaviour in git
[17:10] <sladen> lifeless: for me, that is the difference between VCS and DVCS
[17:11] <sladen> that things "just work" locally when in the past you got all sorts of conflicts, edit-wars, I-commited-last-damnit that VCS gets you
[17:13] <Tak> so if you do: git checkout git://github.com/foo/bar , it just works? ;-)
[17:14] <sladen> Tak: is "just works" in that case committing the change /and/ pushing it back to github ?
[17:14] <lifeless> sladen: if you're using bzr, yes.
[17:15] <sladen> `*sudder*
[17:15] <sladen> shudder
[17:15] <lifeless> thats exactly what bzr checkout git://github.com/foo/bar does
[17:16] <sladen> that seems awefully SVN and un DVCS-like, but I dare say it's been doing that for five years
[17:17] <sladen> jam: lifeless: Tak: thank you for the bzr unbind  hint
[17:19] <Tak> well, if you want "dvcs-like" behavior, you read the manual and use the branch command instead, just like new git users have to read the manual and find out that they have no idea what the checkout command is supposed to do
[17:20] <lifeless> sladen: so there are two reasons checkout does what it does
[17:20] <lifeless> sladen: firstly, centralised -workflow- is actually very useful. Rebasing-on-push is a rather terrible idea, if you accept (as I think most folk do) that rebase turns tested code into untested code.
[17:21] <lifeless> sladen: secondly, for many users coming to bzr, CVS, or SVN, or other centralised only tools are the prior experience, and checkout being the same gives them a solid onramp.
[17:22] <lifeless> sladen: its a real shame that git is so fundamentally different here, because that adds a tension between help one set, or help another.
[17:22] <lifeless> sladen: but like I say, there's a more general 'help folk through things' effort as part of a ui overhaul.
[17:22] <sladen> lifeless: nod.  converting/helping SVN users is a use-case here
[18:02] <jam> lifeless: what TZ are you in now? (real-world, and effective, I guess)
[18:02] <jam> I keep seeing you online with *far* too much overlap with my TZ :)
[18:03] <lifeless> jam: GMT+15 or so
[18:03] <lifeless> I should be in +13
[18:11] <zyga> lifeless, are you working on rebase/rewrite plugin for bzr?
[18:12] <lifeless> zyga: me? no, I'm not doing anything on bzr these days.
[18:12] <zyga> lifeless, buggers, I wish you did
[18:13] <lifeless> zyga: jelmer might in the new year
[18:13] <lifeless> who knows
[18:13] <zyga> lifeless, I noticed you assigned yourself to one of the bzr bugs about this
[18:13] <lifeless> its probably stale
[18:13] <lifeless> one of the problems with the 'assigned' state in volunteer structures.
[18:42] <axle3d> hay, i want to download a specific branch, LATEST revision with bzr. I already know how to download the branch, but how can i only get the latest revision?
[18:43] <jelmer> axle3d: you would just like to check out the latest revision, not any of the history?
[18:44] <jelmer> axle3d: "bzr export" should do that for you.
[21:04] <spiv> Good morning
[21:05] <spiv> jam: and especially good morning to you!
[21:05] <jam> morning spiv, good to see you around
[21:19] <poolie> hi jam, spiv
[21:19] <spiv> jam: I'm really looking forward to commit-on-stacked and shallow branches happening
[22:21] <mwhudson> is there an easy way to find all revids that touched a file?
[22:21] <mwhudson> tiny repo, ~100 revs, so don't care about performance
[22:22] <Peng> bzr log --show-ids some_file | grep ...um...I forget the string...
[22:22] <mwhudson> from the api :)
[22:22] <mwhudson> i guess i'll read the log source
[22:22] <spiv> mwhudson: 'bzr touching-revisions'?
[22:23] <Peng> Aww, no fun.
[22:23] <Peng> mwhudson: subprocess.call()! :D
[22:23] <mwhudson> spiv: hm, thanks
[22:23] <mwhudson> only mainline?
[22:23] <mwhudson> don't actually care in this case i guess
[22:27] <jam> mwhudson: depends whether you consider "I merged your changes, but otherwise didn't touch the content" to be a change
[22:27] <jam> 'bzr log' does
[22:27] <jam> otherwise
[22:27] <jam> revs = repo.all_revision_ids()
[22:27] <jam> file_id = ??
[22:27] <jam> possible_keys = [(file_id, r) for r in revs]
[22:27] <jam> real_keys = repo.texts.get_parent_map(possible_keys)
[22:28] <jam> there are other possibilities
[22:28] <jam> if you want just the changes in the ancestry of the given tip, etc
[22:28] <spiv> jam: that's not strictly right
[22:29] <spiv> jam: a (file_id, rev_id) text may be associated with a revision other than rev_id
[22:29] <spiv> I think...
[22:29] <jam> spiv: only in the presence of ghosts
[22:29] <jam> otherwise a revision must introduce a text with its revid
[22:30] <jam> spiv: and IIRC, only bzr-svn cheats this way
[22:30] <jam> and jelmer has been trying to figure out if it should
[22:30] <jam> the latest version doesn't, but suffers from the mismatched inventories, etc.
[22:32] <spiv> Yes, certainly ghosts.  I think perhaps there's also some data from relatively old bzr versions that don't adhere to that strict policy, but that we still consider valid.  I have vague memories of all this from my past adventures with reconcile.
[22:34] <jam> spiv: right, reconcile was meant to fix those. Also, there is the bug that it doesn't track deletions.
[22:35] <jam> so the other way to do it is to iter the changes to inventories
[23:24] <mwhudson> how do i get bzr builddeb to use the pristine tar info to recreate the orig.tar.gz?
[23:29] <mwhudson> ah: make sure the upstream tag is in the branches ancestry
[23:29] <mwhudson> (which i thought i'd done, but goofed)


[03:22] <chilts> if anyone wants an invite to Google+, let me know
[03:22] <ajmitch> sure
[03:22] <chilts> wanna give me your gmail, or indeed any email address?
[03:23] <ajmitch><EMAIL_ADDRESS>funnily enough :)
[03:23] <chilts> NOWAI!
[03:23] <chilts> :)
[03:23] <ajmitch> yeah I know, pretty tricky there
[03:24] <chilts> should be on it's way
[03:24] <ajmitch> thanks
[03:25]  * ibeardslee already has one .. wondering about the evilness of it all
[03:25] <ajmitch> oh it's probably very evil
[03:25] <ajmitch> it's google, after all
[03:28] <ajmitch> yeah, looks evil enough, you get to the step of "Don't join Google+", or "Join Google+ with PicasaWeb"
[03:28] <ibeardslee> yeah
[03:28] <chilts> they don't share photos by default, so how is that any different to just being able to upload photos to a social networking site?
[03:28] <ibeardslee> I was actually suprised that I had a Picasa account
[03:29] <ajmitch> chilts: it may just be the wording of it
[03:29] <ibeardslee> the reinstall of my nook color made the connections
[03:29] <chilts> yeah, I think it's just the wording ... not sure why they'd even ask
[03:30] <ibeardslee> At one stage I thought the idea of one account to bind them all was a good idea. But now that account is in the hands of someone else .. not so sure any more.
[03:30] <chilts> I mean, it pulled in _everyone_ I've ever emailed from Gmail, so they ask to link to Picasa, but not to plunder Gmail
[03:30] <chilts> it's kinda strange
[03:45] <ojwb> might just depends what the T&C you've already agreed to for gmail and for picasa say
[03:45] <ibeardslee> an identity crisis Atamira?
[03:47] <Atamira> heh...
[03:47] <Atamira> stupid external hdd freezes my system when i remove it
[03:47] <Atamira> even using the safe remove option
[03:47] <Atamira> so its a harsh reboot issue
[03:47] <Atamira> i really need more ram for this machine
[04:22] <ajmitch> ah, xkcd, ever so accurate :)
[05:10] <chilts> yeah, it's a good one
[05:10] <chilts> my 'Hangout' webcam just worked (yet I've never been able to get the one my laptop to work in the past)
[05:10] <chilts> that's pretty good going
[05:57]  * ojwb isn't sure he wants to see a 'hangout' webcam
[21:08] <ajmitch> morning
[22:15] <chilts> morning
[22:36] <ibeardslee> morning
[23:11] <hads> Morning
[23:12] <mwhudson> morning
[23:15] <Atamira> fatmorning
[23:15] <Atamira> oops
[23:15] <Atamira> morning