[00:00] <kees> mario_limonciell: svideo used to work pre-gutsy...
[00:00] <mario_limonciell> kees, on that particular card?
[00:10] <kees> mario_limonciell: yeah
[00:11] <kees> I need to figure out the right place to report the issue.  I continue to be lazy...
[00:12] <mario_limonciell> kees, well if it was implemented, that would have been due to reverse engineering and not due to docs released then :)
[00:12] <mario_limonciell> i'd guess with the X.org bug tracker though?
[00:12] <kees> mario_limonciell: hehe.  possible.  xrandr actually lists it as a port, but never sees anything "connect" to it.
[00:14] <mario_limonciell> kees, how often do you "really" want to use svid though in the first place?  Once I went to DVI/VGA/HDMI, no looking back :)
[00:16] <kees> mario_limonciell: right, it's not for myth at all -- it'd be for things like showing photos on a TV when traveling to family's houses
[00:17] <mario_limonciell> ah yeah
[00:17] <mario_limonciell> that'd make sense
[00:17] <mario_limonciell> tell them to buy a new TV :)
[00:37] <bryce_> ok got the low down on the compiz/ati issue from alex.  sounds pretty bad
[00:49] <ubotu> New bug: #212526 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "monitor/video garbage (out of sync) even in a console (ALT+F2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212526
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #215664 in compiz (main) "Color of the windows shadow changes (dup-of: 186382)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215664
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #128299 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "avm fxusb_cz driver mod" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128299
[10:22] <tjaalton> whoa, new sun-java6 fixed the assertion bug when using xcb
[11:33] <james_w> seb128: hi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7274/ <- that's the change I was discussing with bryce last night, would you accept it?
[11:33] <james_w> obviously post-rc, so there's no rush if you are busy
[11:36] <seb128> james_w: I'm not sure to understand what the patch as doing
[11:36] <seb128> james_w: the version attached on bug #201589 is different
[11:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201589 in gnome-control-center "Screens Resolution tool shows text labels not centered, overlapping monitor area " [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201589
[11:37] <seb128> I've no objection against dropping the change though
[11:38] <james_w> yeah, this patch has had a few changes in it's history. There's two parts really, the change to the font size, and the cario stuff yo center it.
[11:38] <james_w> upstream reduced the font size at some point to less than we were using, and when that was merged it wasn't noticed, and so we ended up increasing it, so we want to drop that part and just go with upstream
[11:39] <james_w> the cairo stuff was commented by me, as upstream changed things in that area, and it meant that the text wasn't visible with those calls.
[11:39] <seb128> makes sense
[11:39] <seb128> let's go back with what upstream is doing
[11:40] <james_w> bryce said that the latest version looks ok even with those lines commented, so I guess upstream solved it a different way.
[11:40] <seb128> ok, cool
[11:40] <seb128> let's do that
[11:40] <james_w> great, thanks.
[11:41] <james_w> I'm going to try and look at the clone issue today, and I also want to to work on the evolution/n-m bug if that is still open.
[11:41] <seb128> thank you for working on the changes ;-)
[11:41] <seb128> ok
[11:41] <seb128> upstream were discussing the nm issue
[11:42] <seb128> you might want to join their chan on gimpnet to discuss the bug, that's usually makes thing easier than having to figure what to change etc
[11:42] <james_w> I'll have a look, last time I looked the proposed patch wasn't satisfactory.
[11:42] <james_w> ah, thanks for the tip.
[11:42] <james_w> the code is pretty strange, I have a hunch that the meaning of the flags has actually reversed over time.
[12:02] <ubotu> New bug: #218592 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "acx hangs network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218592
[12:16] <james_w> this clone checkbox is pretty strange.
[13:11] <james_w> seb128: I've got a patch, but my screen is messed up now from testing, I'll be back shortly with it
[13:37] <james_w> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7282/
[13:38] <james_w> so it turns on clone mode if there is a pair of screens at 0,0 with the same width and height. I think that was the original intent of the code.
[13:50] <seb128> james_w: ok, good
[13:51] <james_w> I realised I can plug my desktop monitor in to my laptop, and so it's had some testing in dual screen as well.
[13:52] <seb128> ;-)
[13:52] <seb128> I should try that too, I only tested on configurations where there is one monitor so far
[13:52] <seb128> but plugging my desktop monitor on the laptop should be easy enough ;-)
[13:54] <james_w> yeah, unfortunately I can only get 640x480 in clone mode, and coming back out of it messes up my laptop screen.
[13:55] <seb128> what video driver?
[13:56] <james_w> intel
[13:56] <james_w> I managed to fix it up the first time with some xrandr calls, but not the second time.
[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #218671 in xserver-xorg-input-elographics (universe) "MinY < MaxY leads to unexpected behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218671
[17:03] <ubotu> New bug: #218736 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] xine/mplayer/vlc/gstreamer output video in wrong colourspace" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218736
[17:56] <mario_limonciell> tjaalton, bryce rtg said that he's fine so long as slangasek is
[17:57] <mario_limonciell> (and bryce is, which was already determined)
[18:09] <mario_limonciell> er i guess that was directed at a ghost :)
 tjaalton, bryce rtg said that he's fine so long as slangasek is
 (and bryce is, which was already determined)
[18:22] <federico1> bryce: pingety ping :)
[18:26] <federico1> bryce_: ping
[18:26] <bryce_> heya
[18:26] <federico1> bryce_: hey!
[18:26] <federico1> how's the married man?
[18:26] <bryce_> hehe
[18:27] <bryce_> he's wishing for more than continental breakfasts at the moment ;-)
[18:27] <bryce_> federico1: I am noticing soeren is as quiet in person as he is in email ;-)
[18:28] <federico1> oh, you are in xdevconf?
[18:28] <federico1> yeah, he is - quiet freak genius, you know the type
[18:29] <federico1> bryce_: I wanted to ask you guys...
[18:30] <federico1> bryce_: "Detect displays" does nothing.  I'm tracing it, and randrwrap.c:fill_out_screen_info() calls XRRGetScreenResources().  That one gives only one output and crtc.  Is my xorg.conf fucked, or does my driver (radeon) not support hotplug, or do you have an idea of what's going on? :)
[18:30] <federico1> I'm about to build xorg-driver-video with debug info to see what's up
[18:34] <jcristau> federico1: could you pastebin the output of 'xrandr -q'?
[18:34] <federico1> cacharro$ xrandr -q
[18:34] <federico1> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 350, current 1400 x 1050, maximum 1400 x 1050
[18:34] <federico1> default connected 1400x1050+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[18:34] <federico1>    1400x1050      50.0*
[18:34] <federico1> (and a bunch of other resolutions)
[18:34] <bryce_> -radeon and -radeonhd support xrandr 1.2, so should work
[18:34] <jcristau> federico1: yeah that's randr 1.1
[18:35] <bryce_> federico1: what version of driver and x server are you running?
[18:36]  * federico1 raises an eyebrow
[18:36] <federico1> cacharro$ rpm -q xorg-x11-driver-video
[18:36] <federico1> xorg-x11-driver-video-7.3-99
[18:37] <federico1> hmm, how can I get the actual driver version?  from thelog file?
[18:37] <bryce_> yep
[18:37] <bryce_> your Xorg.0.log should indicate it in the first three lines after loading it
[18:39] <jcristau> i'm guessing 6.3
[18:40] <federico1> (II) LoadModule: "radeon"
[18:40] <federico1> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//drivers/radeon_drv.so
[18:40] <federico1> (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[18:40] <federico1>         compiled for <IP_ADDRESS>, module version = 4.2.0
[18:40] <federico1>         Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[18:40] <federico1>         ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
[18:40] <federico1> (II) LoadModule: "ati"
[18:40] <federico1> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//drivers/ati_drv.so
[18:40] <federico1> (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[18:40] <federico1>         compiled for <IP_ADDRESS>, module version = 6.6.3
[18:40] <federico1>         Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[18:40] <federico1>         ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
[18:40] <federico1> aha!
[18:41] <federico1> so that 6.6.3 is biting my ass?
[18:41] <jcristau> yup
[18:41] <jcristau> you need 6.8 (iirc) for randr 1.2
[18:41] <federico1> jcristau: ok,thanks
[18:41] <federico1> for some reason we have a bunch of -ati release tarballs in our srpm
[18:41] <federico1> both 6.6.3 and 6.8.0
[18:41] <federico1> let me untangle this and I'll let you know
[18:42] <federico1> jcristau: are you also working on the gnome-display-properties stuff?
[18:45] <bryce_> federico1: yep, some distros have stuck with 6.6.3 for stability.  I guess when xrandr got added, there came to be a lot of instabilities.
[18:46] <federico1> interesting
[18:46] <federico1> ok, I'll poke our X people
[18:46] <bryce_> federico1: jcristau isn't working on the gui
[18:46] <federico1> bryce_: ok
[18:47] <federico1> bryce_: please do tell me where to pull from if you or soeren have some git love :)
[18:48] <bryce_> federico1: sure
[18:48] <bryce_> federico1: I suspect we're both too distracted by the conference to do much hacking on it this week though
[18:53] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: ok thanks, so I should('ve) push(ed) it to my ppa for people to test
[18:54] <mario_limonciell> tjaalton, what's your PPA link?  I'll give it a run
[18:54] <federico1> bryce_: ok - have fun :)
[18:54] <federico1> bryce_: change that continental breakfast; it gets old fast
[18:54] <bryce_> hehe
[18:55] <bryce_> federico1: are you receiving responses from soeren?  I haven't seen any emails from him in about a month
[18:57] <federico1> bryce_: I got hist last reply about a week ago
[18:58] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: it's not there yet :)
[18:58] <federico1> bryce_: please ping me if you get together to chat over irc :)
[18:58] <mario_limonciell> tjaalton, oh, read your statement wrong.  Let me know when it is
[18:59] <bryce_> federico1: certainly
[19:01] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: sure. it takes awhile to build the tarball etc. but it's pretty straightforward. I'll finish it after Lost :)
[19:03] <bryce_> tjaalton: status is looking pretty good now - http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_20080417.html
[19:03] <bryce_> [the -ati numbers are wrong on that link]
[19:03] <tjaalton> hehe :)
[19:04] <bryce_> bug 204603 is the last milestoned X bug (well, also 198759)
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204603 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "occasional hard crash on vt switch" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204603
[19:05] <tjaalton> hmm, xserver-xgl is not on the team package list
[19:05] <tjaalton> not that I'd worry too much about it :)
[19:05] <bryce_> me either
[19:06] <bryce_> compare http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_20080410.html and http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_20080417.html, there's been nice progress this past week
[19:07] <tjaalton> bug 218785 is strange, I had the same problem yesterday
[19:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218785 in xorg "have to reinstall nvidia drivers on every reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218785
[19:07] <tjaalton> although a reinstall is not necessary, 'jockey-gtk --enable kmod:nvidia_new' is enough
[19:07] <tjaalton> must be something in lrm
[19:08] <bryce_> yeah I was messing with -nvidia and -nv a couple days ago and pulling my hair out
[19:08] <bryce_> although that wasn't latest hardy, so figured it wasn't worth a lot of troubleshooting time
[19:09] <ubotu> New bug: #218334 in xorg (main) "black screen of death" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218334
[19:11] <james_w> hi bryce
[19:12] <james_w> hi federico1
[19:13] <james_w> federico1: you might well want http://paste.ubuntu.com/7310/ as well
[19:16] <federico1> james_w: give me a description for "git commit -m" and I'll put it in
[19:17] <james_w>   * Invert the logic in the detection of clone mode so that it works for a
[19:17] <james_w>     single screen as well. Without this change single screens are always
[19:17] <james_w>     reported as clone, which makes no sense.
[19:17] <james_w> that was my changelog entry
[19:18] <federico1> james_w: ah, nice, thanks
[19:18]  * federico1 commits
[19:18] <federico1> yeah, I was wondering why that was turned on :)
[19:19] <james_w> do you think the clone checkbox should be insensitive if there is only one screen?
[19:21] <federico1> james_w: pushed!
[19:22] <james_w> thanks
[19:22] <federico1> james_w: yeah... can we do tooltips on insensitive widgets now?  if so, add a tooltip to say "cloning a display needs more than one monitor" or something :)
[19:22] <federico1> james_w: if you have a git repo somewhere, please ping me so that I can pull the love from you
[19:22]  * federico1 is a total git-remote whore these days
[19:22] <james_w> I'm not sure about that. I'm sure you know more about gtk+ than me :-)
[19:23] <federico1> james_w: let me check quickly
[19:23] <james_w> heh, I don't have a git repo I'm afraid. We haven't really got the whole VCS <-> source package thing worked out yet.
[19:24] <james_w> I've got to cook now, sorry.
[19:25] <federico1> james_w: yes, you can!  gtk_widget_set_tooltip_text() works fine for insensitive widgets
[19:26] <federico1> james_w: I have a super-quick script to build me an rpm from my git repo
[19:26] <federico1> james_w: let me mail it to you
[19:26] <james_w> I'd like to see it
[19:29] <federico1> james_w: mailed
[19:29] <federico1> you'll need to s/rpmbuild/apt-whatever, I assume :)
[19:29] <federico1> james_w: cook in peace - it's therapeutic
[19:29] <federico1> don't forget the PEPPER
[19:29] <federico1> lots of it
[19:43] <bryce_> heya james_w
[19:51] <federico1> w00t
[19:51]  * federico1 gets hotplug goodness
[19:51] <federico1> time to restart X
[21:18] <federico1> bryce_: woot, I changed to the ati 6.8.0 and I have some hotplug goodness :)
[21:19] <federico1> bryce_: but side-by-side doesn't work; I think it's the virtual size thing.  What do I need in my xorg.conf, if anything?
[21:28] <bryce_> federico1: you need something like this in your Screen section
[21:28] <bryce_> 	SubSection "Display"
[21:28] <bryce_> 		Depth		24
[21:28] <bryce_> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[21:28] <bryce_> #		Virtual		2560 2560
[21:28] <bryce_>                 Virtual         3840 1200
[21:28] <bryce_> 	EndSubSection
[21:28] <bryce_> note that if you go above 2048x2048, composited desktop won't work
[21:29] <federico1> excellent
[21:29] <federico1> bryce_: thanks :)
[21:29] <bryce_> no prob
[21:29] <federico1> time to restart X again
[21:30] <bryce_> oh btw, that's yet another thing that would be nice to fix - we don't have any mechanism for modding the Virtual line in xorg.conf, and I suspect many users will be wishing for that
[21:30] <bryce_> however, I guess until we have left-of/right-of implemented in the GUI it's a moot point.
[21:31] <federico1> bryce_: huh?  I can already drag-and-drop the monitors in gnome-display-properties
[21:31] <federico1> bryce_: and they snap to the corners and everything
[21:32] <bryce_> oh?  I'd tried that but it didn't seem to do anything so I assumed it wasn't done yet.  Cool.
[21:32] <bryce_> so then that makes the Virtual thing high priority
[21:32] <federico1> bryce_: well, I could drag them, but reconfiguration didn't work.  I assumed it was the Virtual thing... let me restart and I'll tell you :)
[21:58] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: I'll have to postpone the new fglrx to next day, but will get to it early in the morning
[22:03] <mario_limonciell> okay
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #212367 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGILL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212367
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #210458 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nVidia GLX-driver breaks console" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210458
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #212496 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in _nv000069gl() (dup-of: 190232)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212496
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #214452 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV in _nv000092gl()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214452
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #211555 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211555
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #211725 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211725
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #198451 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198451
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #214167 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxgears crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214167
[23:06] <ubotu> New bug: #185785 in mesa (main) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185785
[23:07] <ubotu> New bug: #213342 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Firefox seems to lock up glxinfo whenever I go to 'My Yahoo Mail"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213342
[23:07] <ubotu> New bug: #216514 in mesa (main) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV in _XSend() (dup-of: 194249)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216514
[23:07] <ubotu> New bug: #216970 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV Nvidia Vanta 16MB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216970
[23:10] <ubotu> New bug: #211590 in mesa (main) "glxgears crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211590
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #214846 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "aticonfig crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214846


[11:46] <jibel> could someone from the SRU team review and approve update-manager and update-notifier in the unapproved queue of precise-proposed. It's bug 1333728
[14:07] <shadeslayer> could someone explain why bespin hasn't been migrated from proposed?
[14:08] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: That cluster apparently makes kubuntu-full uninstallable
[14:08] <cjwatson> Let me see if I can work out why
[14:09] <shadeslayer> mmm
[14:09] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: oddly enough, it doesn't say that in the output
[14:09] <cjwatson> Yeah it does
[14:09] <shadeslayer> it does?
[14:09] <cjwatson> Right down at the bottom
[14:10] <cjwatson> Trying easy from autohinter: kde-workspace/4:4.11.10-0ubuntu4 kde-style-qtcurve/1.8.14-3build1 kwin-style-crystal/2.2.1-2ubuntu2 bespin/0.r1552+nmu1build1 kdeartwork/4:4.13.2-0ubuntu2
[14:10] <cjwatson> [...]
[14:10] <cjwatson>     * i386: kubuntu-full
[14:10] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:10] <shadeslayer> I was only reading the bespin part and was quite confused
[14:10] <cjwatson> Yeah, don't do that
[14:10] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: kubuntu-full Depends: kde-workspace-data-extras, which is gone from kde-workspace in -proposed
[14:10] <shadeslayer> ok, lemme fix that
[14:10] <cjwatson> So either put back kde-workspace-data-extras or drop the dependency
[14:11] <cjwatson> Maybe it should be just -data now?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> it's a transitional package
[14:11] <shadeslayer> so we need to update kubuntu-full now
[14:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> cjwatson, and for libav transition? mplayer is the last I think
[14:15] <cjwatson> Few other bits that didn't show up for one reason or another - I've been test-building mrpt
[14:39] <zul> can an archive admin have a look at python-oslo.db its preventing keystone from building in our lab
[22:20] <wxl> stgraber et al. could you please turn the cron job back on for the flavors that did alpha1?


[15:12] <Shadow__X> are any people on here having issues with mythbuntu 10.10 i built a box yesterday and when i went to install it the system felt like it was crawling. I have never seen ubuntu run this slow on modern hardware
[15:46] <chiluk> 10.10 is doing wonders on my machine...
[15:47] <chiluk> nfs transfers went from 40 mb/s to 70-90 mb/s
[15:47] <chiluk> what in particular is slow?
[15:47] <chiluk> If it's video.. maybe you forgot some drivers?
[15:51] <Shadow__X> chiluk: well i put together a server for someone and i botted up 10.10 live and it was slow but i thought maybe it was due to the sd card so even when i installed it. It was laggy,slow and tended to freeze
[15:51] <chiluk> did you check /var/log/messages?
[15:51] <chiluk> was there anything incriminating in there?
[15:53] <Shadow__X> no i did not think to check there but, i did check dmesg
[15:55] <Shadow__X> i want contemplating trying again when i go back but i was leaning towards just installing 10.04
[15:55] <Shadow__X> i looked and it seems as if the freezing is a somewhat common problem according to the ubuntu forums
[16:01] <chiluk> how new of a machine is it?
[16:03] <Shadow__X> core i7 950 12gb ddr3 1066 ram
[16:03] <Shadow__X> nvidia 8400gs
[16:03] <Shadow__X> i think thats new enough to not be slow
[16:05] <chiluk> did you install the nvidia binary driver?
[16:06] <Shadow__X> well mythbuntu started with them and at the end of the install i chose them so yes
[16:06] <Shadow__X> i was on something like 260 of the drivers
[16:07] <chiluk> anything in top using a ton of CPU?... it's pretty hard to use all of a 950.
[16:09] <Shadow__X> chiluk: nope. There wasnt anything on the top of the list but, system load was a bit high around 1.5 to 2.7 at some points but there wasnt an offending processing coming to the top of the list
[16:10] <chiluk> very odd.. did you try running a hard drive benchmark?
[16:11] <chiluk> system->administration->disk utility
[16:11] <Shadow__X> yes the drive was doing around 89MB/sec on hdparm -tT
[16:12] <Shadow__X> yes very odd in deed especially since this was a side project for my boss's home and i was using mythbuntu as it would be easier for him to use
[16:13] <Shadow__X> actually now that i am thinking about it i dont recall having disk utility there
[16:13] <Shadow__X> it could of been for the most part a bad iso
[16:13] <Shadow__X> i did not check the hash
[16:13] <chiluk> oh it might not be in mythbuntu...
[16:14] <chiluk> sorry man that's really perplexing.  I wish I knew what to tell you.
[16:14] <chiluk> good luck.. let us know if you figure it out.


[12:33] <jenda> hehe
[12:55] <LarstiQ> mdke: btw, do you want a CC on that mail from/to danilo?
[12:59] <mdke> LarstiQ: no, that's ok
[01:00] <LarstiQ> k
[02:05] <alefteris> packages that are in universe dont get a project made automaticaly for them in launchpad?
[02:06] <alefteris> s/project/product
[02:18] <alefteris> also can i set a bug contact for a product?
[02:18] <alefteris> how?
[02:19] <LaserJock> I know how to do it for a package
[02:19] <LaserJock> but not sure about a product
[02:26] <mdke> I think it might be Maintainer
[02:27] <alefteris> i tryed to triage a bug for tidle (that lives in universe), but when tryed to link it to upstream i got a page saying that there is no product named tilda in launchpad. So I created on in: https://launchpad.net/tilda/
[02:28] <mdke> strange system. I would have thought you can link to an upstream bugtracker without creating a product
[02:32] <alefteris> mdke, i had the same thought, that's why i wasnt so sure about making one
[02:32] <alefteris> i though every package had a product assigned to it
[02:33] <mdke> no, not all packages use launchpad at all
[02:33] <mdke> some have products created for internal launchpad reasons, but many don't, I think
[02:33] <alefteris> but maybe because its in universe it hasnt got one?
[02:33] <mdke> I'm not sure how it works, unfortunately launchpad's handling of upstream vs downstream is very confusing at the moment
[02:34] <somerville32> They changed how it works
[02:34] <somerville32> You are now required to create a product to link to a remote bug tracker
[02:35] <alefteris> ok i did that. But how can i set the Bug contact for it?
[02:35] <mdke> surely if it uses an upstream bugtracker, you don't have bugs on the product in launchpad
[02:36] <mdke> so you shouldn't have a bug contact, I guess
[02:36] <somerville32> alefteris, You now need to associate the source package with the bazaar branch of the product
[02:37] <somerville32> or sorry: *series
[02:38] <somerville32> And when you create the product, you can also associate an upstream bugtracker (Though it doesn't seem to make a difference when actually adding a remote bug watch)
[02:38] <somerville32> You still have to provide the full link
[02:38] <somerville32> IIRC
[02:38] <somerville32> It is an interesting workflow, for sure
[02:38] <alefteris> i linked to the remote bug tracker: https://launchpad.net/tilda/
[02:39] <alefteris> im not sure how to do the bazzar thing :(
[02:39] <somerville32> You do it mean you associate the package with the product
[02:39] <somerville32> You don't actually associate the package with the product, you associate it with a release series
[02:40] <alefteris> also i have to notify upstream maintainers and transfer maintenance to them?
[02:40] <somerville32> no
[02:43] <alefteris> ok i dont know how to do that correctly.. is there any documentation for this? I am afraid I will do something wrong and mess the packages :)
[02:43] <somerville32> You can't screw anything up
[02:44] <somerville32> Besides, if you do, the launchpad admins will just eat you
[02:44] <somerville32> and we'll never hear from you again
[02:44] <somerville32> So it's all good
[02:44] <mikl> :D
[02:45] <alefteris> hehe good to hear that
[02:46] <alefteris> so what should i put in name the unix name together with release number?
[02:46] <alefteris> like: tilda-0.09.3 ??
[02:48] <somerville32> ...
[02:48] <somerville32> what are you doing? :P
[02:48] <alefteris> there is a truck series already, why should I make a separate series?
[02:48] <alefteris> sorry havent done it before..
[02:48] <alefteris> ;P
[02:49] <somerville32> You *shouldn't* make a separate series
[02:49] <alefteris> ok i didnt
[02:50] <alefteris> you said before that i should: associate the source package with the bazaar branch of the product, sorry: *series
[02:51] <somerville32> Right
[02:51] <somerville32> Don't create a new one
[02:51] <somerville32> One already exists
[02:51] <alefteris> so im set
[02:54] <alefteris> thanks for the help
[02:55] <somerville32> np
[02:55] <somerville32> Happy launchpadding
[05:04] <Rinchen> somerville32, lol  Launchpad admins eating you
[05:04] <somerville32> ;]
[11:02] <tsmithe> could someone tell me about fix-it-friday?
[11:18] <mpt> tsmithe, Fix-It Friday is where the Launchpad developers stop working on big features and instead fix small problems that have been annoying people for a while.
[11:19] <mpt> You're welcome to suggest your own small problems for Fix-It Friday on the launchpad-users@ mailing list.
[11:19] <tsmithe> ahh ok
[11:19] <tsmithe> that's great
[11:19] <tsmithe> hi Hobbsee
[11:20] <Hobbsee> hey tsmithe!
[04:46] <ryanakca> why does https://code.launchpad.net/~ryanakca/+branch/+junk/vareac say "Launchpad could not mirror this branch at 2007-01-21 10:40:29 EST.  The error was: Not a branch: /srv/sm-ng/push-branches/00/00/09/3e/"... and does +junk/ ever get cleaned up?
[04:49] <ryanakca> (I last commited to it sometime in late November, early December, btw)
[07:21] <mpt> ryanakca, you'll have most luck asking that question when ddaa (David Allouche) is around
[07:22] <ryanakca> mpt: kk, thanks
[07:22] <mpt> Though you could make a support request at https://launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+tickets
[07:29] <mpt> and on a related note
[07:29] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[07:30] <mpt> Any day now, I will start remembering that it's 2007, not 2006
[07:34] <ryanakca> lol
[07:34] <ryanakca> mpt: kk, will do :)
[08:59] <gouki> Hi. Is it possible to edit a comment made on a bug?
[09:14] <mdke> gouki: no
[09:14] <mpt> no
[09:15] <mpt> What's the situation? Did you make a typo or language error, or is it something more serious?
[09:16] <kiko> third request
[09:21] <mpt> kiko, hmmm?
[09:21] <kiko> for a comment edit
[09:21] <kiko> gouki?
[09:21] <mpt> oh
[09:21] <mpt> I have a cunning idea about that, actually
[09:22] <mpt> because we don't send out mail notifications until five minutes later
[09:22] <mpt> we could give people five minutes to say "augh! that wasn't really what I meant"
[09:22] <kiko> and?
[09:23] <mdke> they can still do that... by commenting again :)
[09:23] <ajmitch> and have a big clock counting down, flashing red? :)
[09:23] <mdke> it's only a problem if they paste their root password in, or divulge a cia secret or something
[09:23] <crimsun> a big notification bubble with a countdown timer just for mpt?
[09:24] <mpt> mdke, or insult someone horribly
[09:24] <mdke> mpt: that happens?
[09:24] <kiko> mdke, we would need to erase every single comment by iwj
[09:24] <mdke> lol
[09:25] <mdke> kiko: only on Launchpad bugs, surely
[09:25] <kiko> I think insulting comments should instead go to a hall of fame
[09:25] <kiko> <Induct this comment to the Insult Hall Of Fame>
[09:25] <mdke> lol
[09:25] <kiko> and /bugs/+insult-hof
[09:25] <mpt> +what-did-hof-do-to-deserve-such-insults
[09:26] <mpt> or /+insult-hof, /+annoy-hof, and /+Hassel-hof
[09:27] <kiko> the latter one would be for hellen
[09:44] <gouki> kiko and mpt: Sorry, I was away
[09:44] <kiko> gouki, ok we forgive you this once, but your 5 minutes are up
[09:44] <gouki> It's actually a typo, but it's no big deal.
[09:44] <kiko> ah! that's not so bad
[09:45] <gouki> kiko: Yeah. Thanks though.
[09:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80895 in malone "Give people five minutes to edit/delete their comment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80895
[10:21] <Rinchen> mpt, I prefer /+dev/null
[10:23] <Rinchen> =)
[11:14] <ryanakca> Is there a limit to how many bazaar branches you can store on launchpad?
[11:38] <mpt> ryanakca, probably after a few billion the database will get a bit flaky
[12:14] <kiko-afk> mpt, you are so cute


  Just downloading Ubuntu and gonna give it a try again.  Hopefully on a usb bootable setup!  :)
[02:11] <ekim> It has been quite some time since I have used linux and wanted to try a distro or two out again!
[02:14] <Bashing-om> good deal. so long as ya know that from a liveUSB will not be a speed demon . USB is slow !
[02:18] <ekim> Yeah I know but it is either that or just a live cd!
[02:19] <Bashing-om> ekim: Well, when ya ready to bite the bullet and install 'buntu ; we are here to help !
[02:21] <ekim> I will be doing that once I get a chance to test out the distro for a while.  I will be installing it on a Asus laptop.
[02:21] <ekim> Thanks though and I appreciate the help or will I am sure!  :)
[02:23] <Bashing-om> ekim: Well. there are several to choose from . I personally have a liking for the xfce environments .
[02:25] <ekim> Yes there are.  Too many for my liking but that isn't really a deciding factor.  Just gotta work with what I have (ie laptop, printer, etc).
[07:03] <ducasse> good morning all
[07:04]  * ObrienDave waves
[07:46] <Bashing-om> G nite Good folks
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year folks !
[12:05] <Ben64> 20 more hrs
[13:36] <ducasse> only 9.5 here
[13:38] <BluesKaj> well, some just have to state the obvious :-)
[13:38] <ducasse> BluesKaj: you boot your rpi from usb, don't you? is that basically a matter of copying across / and telling the bootloader (whatever that is) where to look?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> ducasse,  I boot the rpi from the microsd card, then it boots the / dir on the usb. Change the / dir in  /boot/cmdline.txt  to the / partition {sda1 for example ) This is one tutorial of many , http://www.instructables.com/id/Boot-the-Raspberry-Pi-from-USB/?ALLSTEPS
[13:55] <ducasse> BluesKaj: brilliant, thanks. that was the procedure i expected :) the sd card with my install has become totally borked, so i was thinking of using a usb stick for the next one.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> ducasse, here's an experimental tutorial to boot from the usb  https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
[13:59] <ducasse> BluesKaj: thanks, i'll look at those tomorrow. too bad the hardware can only boot directly from microsd.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> ducasse, the second url is for booting the rpi from a USB, but so far it's till experimental afaik.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> till=still
[14:08] <ducasse> BluesKaj: it says rpi3 only, mine is an rpi2 :(
[14:09] <BluesKaj> they aren't much diffrerent
[14:09] <ducasse> but nvm, the sd card won't be used much if / is on usb.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:11] <ducasse> i'll see tomorrow what works and what i end up with, this particular sd card only lasted a couple of weeks with very little actual usage.
[14:12] <BluesKaj> i reformatted one about 9-10 times and then it died
[14:13] <BluesKaj> was trying different OSs on the rpi
[14:14] <ducasse> shouldn't that fall under warranty or something? 9-10 formats is nothing imo.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> I couldn't be bothered , had a 64Gb microsd and pu that in my phone and used the 16Gb card from phone to boot hte rpi
[14:17] <BluesKaj> and  boot card working fine
[14:18] <ducasse> luckily i've got three or four cards i can use here, was thinking of only using a 4gb card to boot - that should be plenty. also means i'll finally find a use for it :)
[14:19] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:32] <ducasse> BluesKaj: well, thanks a lot for the guides, saves me googling for a good one. now i have an interesting project to start the new year with \o/
[14:38] <BluesKaj> right, they're relatively easy to follow, you'll be using a usb as your / drive in no time ;-0
[14:39] <BluesKaj> :-) even
[14:40] <ducasse> seems straight-forward enough, what i needed to know was basically what to add to cmdline.txt
[14:44] <ducasse> BluesKaj: well, enjoy your evening, best wishes for the new year! i've better get ready to go stuff my face with turkey :)
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ducasse, this the simplest tuotial/guide i could find, less clutter than the others , http://magnatecha.com/using-a-usb-drive-as-os-root-on-a-raspberry-pi/
[15:01] <BluesKaj> tuotial=tutorial.
[15:18] <ducasse> BluesKaj: thanks a lot, i think i've got it covered now. i've gtg, dinner in an hour. enjoy your evening!
[15:36] <BluesKaj> ducasse, ok, have a Happy New Year!  :-)
[22:21] <Bashing-om> Pizza !
[22:22] <daftykins> \o/
[23:00] <OerHeks> Happy New Year !


[09:37] <Rafik> Why isn't there #ubuntu-confessional or #ubuntu-empty-your-mind channels ! :p
[09:39] <Myrtti> I can lend you my guinea pigs for that
[09:41] <elkbuntu> Rafik, there is #ubuntu-offtopic but all ubuntu channels are expected to be CoC compliant, so the contents of some people's minds simply isnt appropriate
[09:41] <elkbuntu> there are other places to do that, anyway.
[09:42] <Rafik> lol
[09:42] <Rafik> elkbuntu: you are right
[09:42] <elkbuntu> half left as well.
[09:43] <Rafik> elkbuntu: many many ideas in my mind.. ubuntu-arabic is nearly dead.. don't find a way to find contributor.. should we kill the project.. should we try to reawake it..
[09:44] <Rafik> that's the kind of things I need to talk about..
[09:46] <elkbuntu> ubuntu-arabic is the translation project?
[09:50] <Rafik> no, it's separated from ubuntu-l10n-ar even if we tried to encourage the translation via the ubuntu-arabic project
[09:51] <elkbuntu> separated why?
[09:52] <Rafik> I meant the translation team will not be affected it ubuntu-arabic is dissolved.
[09:53] <elkbuntu> ah
[09:53] <elkbuntu> so what is the actual aim of ubuntu-arabic?
[09:54] <Rafik> ubuntu-arabic was created to let the arabic loco work together to produce/offer the arabic ubuntu-related contents/support
[09:55] <Rafik> we even offered to host websites..
[09:55] <elkbuntu> ok right. and who were the original locos?
[09:56] <Rafik> Jordan, Tunisia, Morocco, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt..
[09:56] <Rafik> some LoCos are not active themselves
[09:57] <Rafik> I personnaly tought if we build a bigger team, it will work
[09:57] <elkbuntu> sometimes a bigger team means everyone else sees other people who can do the work, rather than opportunities to do the work/
[09:58] <elkbuntu> first step is to inspire the locos again somehow
[10:01] <Rafik> the problem is : the community is being divided to small unities and each one is taking a kind of Independence. This is due to two reasons. either people don't understand what is a loco or they are simply searching for personal benefits through the loco
[10:02] <Rafik> Some are in a team for the team itself, not for ubuntu
[10:04] <elkbuntu> yeah that's the problem
[10:09] <Rafik> It's not easy to handle such things.. especially when some IT professionals are active in a loco but don't get the sens of the community.. it results in reinventing things and rules designed for the loco instead of using the existent documents
[10:10] <Rafik> the loco simply gets out of the loco project
[14:53] <jcastro> anyone going to be around for openweek in a few minutes?
[14:54] <nalioth> jcastro: what do you mean?
[14:55] <jcastro> I need to make sure #ubuntu-classroom is set in a way so that only sabdfl and myself can speak
[14:55] <jcastro> but I have _zero_ irc kung fu
[14:56] <jcastro> If someone could help me out that would be great
[14:58] <nalioth> sure
[14:58] <Myrtti> you people are no use
[14:58] <Myrtti> I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO HYPHENATE HYPHENATE
[14:58] <Myrtti> groar
[14:59] <Myrtti> :-(
[14:59] <Myrtti> and wrong channel to boot.
[14:59]  * Myrtti goes to bed to cry
[14:59] <jcastro> nalioth: thanks <3
[15:00] <nalioth> jcastro: when you need to speak, op up and /mode #ubuntu-classroom +m
[15:00] <nalioth> when the class is over, do the same, but with -m
[15:00] <Myrtti> nalioth: you're late
[15:00] <nalioth> Myrtti: i am?
[15:01] <Myrtti> [17:00] ~~~jcastro [n=jcastro@ubuntu/member/jcastro] has left #ubuntu-irc []
[15:01] <Myrtti> [17:00] < nalioth> jcastro: when you need to speak, op up and /mode #ubuntu-classroom +m
[15:01] <nalioth> ah
[15:01] <nalioth> i'm going blind, too
[17:27] <juliux> hi does somebody knows where i can find the freenode authplugin for supybot?
[17:31] <nalioth> juliux: there isn't one
[17:31] <nalioth> or am i thinking something weird?  what does the authplugin do?
[17:32] <juliux> nalioth: it is mentioned in the bantracker read me
[17:32] <nalioth> my supybot (ubot3) auths on connect
[17:33] <nalioth> but i'm not any kind of supybot expert
[17:33] <nalioth> perhaps ask in #supybot ?
[17:33] <juliux> ok
[17:41] <jussi01> !botclone | juliux
[18:48] <juliux> jussi01: yeah i allready saw that page
[18:48] <jussi01> :)
[18:48] <juliux> jussi01: i also found the freenode auth plugin;)
[18:49] <nalioth> juliux: what do they do?
[18:50] <juliux> nalioth: that is the next thing i want to figure out
[18:50] <nalioth> 9_9
[18:51] <juliux> nalioth: the read me says that you can ignore with that plugin all messeas from un-identified people
[18:54] <nalioth> juliux: well, that isn't good in an Ubuntu info bot  :(
[18:54] <juliux> nalioth: we will use our bot not as an infobot, we have an extra infobot
[18:54] <juliux> nalioth: i only want to setup a log and bantracker bot
[18:55] <nalioth> so just set it up to ignore all messages from anyone but it's owner
[19:10] <juliux> stdin: /window 39
[19:10] <juliux> sorry
[23:17] <jspiro> ubottu: ask
[23:17] <jspiro> ubottu, no, ask is If you have a question, just ask.  For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Ubuntu version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask: always ask the whole channel. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or at www.ubun
[23:20] <Flannel> jspiro: Too long.
[23:20] <LjL> way too long
[23:20] <LjL> i think the present one is too long already
[23:20] <LjL> it was originally "Don't ask to ask, just ask"
[23:20] <jspiro> LjL:  What if I could summarize it more?
[23:20] <LjL> now it surpasses a line's length on my screen
[23:20] <jspiro> Flannel: LjL: Or what if I split it into two parts, !ask and !gq ?
[23:20] <Flannel> jspiro: What would you summarize to that isn't already in the original?
[23:21] <Flannel> jspiro: gq?
[23:21] <LjL> jspiro: it's split already
[23:21] <Flannel> oh
[23:21] <LjL> !attitude
[23:21] <LjL> !please
[23:21] <Flannel> !doesntwork
[23:21] <LjL> !pm
[23:21] <jspiro> LjL: ah. i didn't know those factoids.
[23:21] <LjL> !elaborate
[23:22] <jspiro> hmm, it seems nobody in #ubuntu uses those though.  How could we make them better known?  Maybe by adding "see also !elaborate" to the end of !gq?
[23:22] <LjL> jspiro: it's not true that nobody uses them
[23:22] <Flannel> jspiro: I don't think its really necessary though.
[23:22] <jspiro> LjL:  ok, it seems to me.
[23:22] <jspiro> Flannel:  fair.
[23:23] <Flannel> jspiro: When those sorts of issues arrise, generally its a situation that is best handled through actual typing
[23:23] <jspiro> Flannel:  also fair :)
[23:23] <LjL> jspiro: keep in mind two things. one, the bot should flood the channel as little as possible, two, people won't read overly long factoids anyway
[23:23] <LjL> jspiro: and to make factoids more known, there is only one way - use them when appropriate
[23:24] <LjL> jspiro: the bot has search functions and a webpage. if a few people are fluent with the bot and know how to search for factoids, and use them, other people will follow
[23:24] <LjL> i used to do that a lot, i'm much less active currently, but that doesn't make that any less true
[23:24] <jspiro> how's this?
[23:24] <jspiro> ubottu, example is Please give us full details.  For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Ubuntu version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___."
[23:25] <jspiro> that's the part of my proposed new !ask I really liked.
[23:25] <jspiro> it's from #debian's bot (dpkg)'s !ask
[23:25] <LjL> it's basically !error put in a different way
[23:25] <jspiro> !error
[23:25] <LjL> i don't particularly like the "___", i'd change them to "..."
[23:25] <LjL> but it might work
[23:26] <Flannel> Sounds more like a bug report than a support request though.
[23:26] <jspiro> Flannel:  yes.  IIRC I wrote it for dpkg.  It's not perfect.
[23:26] <jspiro> in fact it's not great.
[23:26] <LjL> !details is <reply> Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[23:26] <LjL> !example is <alias> details
[23:27] <LjL> having it won't hurt
[23:27] <LjL> but i agree it's not always appropriate
[23:27] <jspiro> ubottu: no, details is <reply> Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., my computer did: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[23:27] <jspiro>
[23:27] <jspiro> LjL: a little better?
[23:27] <LjL> most of the time, what's important is just a description of the damn problem
[23:28] <LjL> jspiro: see above ;)
[23:28] <jspiro> yep :) people have trouble explaining.
[23:29] <LjL> jspiro: ah there's also this
[23:29] <LjL> !nothing
[23:29] <LjL> and this
[23:29] <LjL> !errors
[23:29] <LjL> actually
[23:29] <LjL> !no error is <alias> errors
[23:29] <LjL> !no error is <alias> errors
[23:30] <jspiro> LjL: I think more see-also's would help.
[23:30] <jspiro> But all those you showed are excellent factoids.
[23:31] <LjL> jspiro: the main problem with see-also's (although i added a LOT of them) is that people will too often use them in the channel
[23:31] <jspiro> LjL: how do we avoid people from using them in channel?  maybe a rate limit?
[23:31] <LjL> jspiro: do note that the "nothing" factoid, for instance, doesn't have "plain" see-alsos, but does have words prefixed with !...
[23:31] <jspiro> i see.
[23:32] <LjL> jspiro: we avoid it by telling them not to, a rate limit wouldn't help because it'd need to be extremely low.
[23:32] <LjL> !msg the bot
[23:32] <LjL> uhm type that yourself if you don't know its contents
[23:32] <LjL> the bot has me on ignore because it's silly
[23:33] <jspiro> LjL: :)
[23:33] <jspiro> !msg the bot
[23:34] <jspiro> all :  why does ! talk to channel by default?  why doesn't ! normally /msg?
[23:34] <LjL> jspiro: err, and who would it /msg by default?
[23:34] <LjL> it can't just guess the intended recipient
[23:34] <jspiro> LjL: good question.  Dunno.  How about the last 3 people to have spoken?
[23:35] <LjL> meh don't make things way more complicated than they need to be, no :)
[23:35] <jspiro> ok :)
[23:35] <LjL> the bot needs to talk in the channel
[23:35] <LjL> and people need to be educated to use it in private if they need it for their own purposes only
[23:35] <LjL> and, as far as code tweaking goes to provide subtle hints to that --
[23:35] <LjL> i assure you they've been thought over, and implemented
[23:36] <LjL> jspiro: try doing !test | jspiro for instance
[23:36] <jspiro> !test | jspiro
[23:36] <LjL> !foo | jspiro
[23:37] <jspiro> !foo | jspiro
[23:37] <jspiro> ah i see.  the (In the future, please use a private message to investigate).
[23:38] <LjL> jspiro: yeah. does the same if you !test > jspiro, or at least it did last time i checked
[23:39] <LjL> by the way stdin, i don't think the recognition of either "ubottu" or "ubotu" being in the message works
[23:39] <LjL> !test > floodbot1    (floodbot1, see the private message from ubotu )
[23:39] <LjL> or uhm, perhaps it does now
[23:39] <stdin> it should
[23:39] <LjL> didn't couple days ago :)
[23:40] <jspiro> why not just run a second bot named "ubotu"?
[23:40] <stdin> wait, floodbot1 isn't here, so it won't show the "please see my private message" anyway
[23:41] <stdin> jspiro: we don't own the nick
[23:41] <LjL> stdin: right but i'm testing it in -bots right now
[23:41] <LjL> with fellows who are actually there
[23:41] <LjL> and it does seem to work
[23:42] <jspiro> stdin: who does?  can you ask them kindly to give it to you?  or can you ask freenode to?
[23:42] <stdin> seveas
[23:43] <jspiro> who is seveas?
[23:43] <LjL> the owner of the ubotu nickname.
[23:43] <jspiro> so would seveas give us it?
[23:43] <LjL> i don't think so.
[23:44] <LjL> and i'm not going to ask, either.
[23:44] <stdin> he owns the nick and always has, and he uses it afaik anyway
[23:44] <stdin> (for his bot)
[23:44] <jspiro> what is his bot?
[23:46] <stdin> https://launchpad.net/ubot
[23:48] <jspiro> ok.  anyway, thanks for all the explanations all.


[00:08] <Mandrew> charlie-tca, ok
[01:08] <GridCube> i don't understand midori
[01:08] <GridCube> :(
[01:08] <GridCube> if it imported the bookmarks... where are them?
[01:08] <GridCube> :/
[01:33] <gNewPower> Hi everybody.  As a "refugee" from Ubuntu's "Unity" I was delighed to see how good Xubuntu has become. I love it all - its fast, elegant, powerful, and does not consider that users are morons.  One regret only: Thunar cannot tab.  Any chance of that being implemented in the not too distant future?  thanks!
[01:41] <charlie-tca> gNewPower: Most likely will not happen
[01:46] <gNewPower> charlie-tca, why?
[01:46] <charlie-tca> because the xfce developers are working hard to make other things work.
[01:47] <charlie-tca> Tabs are not scheduled for the next release, which is due in January, so "not too distant" isn't there
[01:47] <gNewPower> ok, and they do a great job. just that tabbing is conventient to move/copy files. better than 2 windows for usre
[01:47] <gNewPower> ok
[01:47] <gNewPower> makes sense
[01:47] <gNewPower> thanks for the info :-)
[01:47] <charlie-tca> you are welcome
[01:48] <charlie-tca> I have never used tabs, so two windows seems pretty normal for me.
[01:48] <gNewPower> no big deal, really.  It is so wonderful to be back to a well designed, rational, desktop manager, file manager, setting application ,etc.
[01:48] <gNewPower> Xubuntu is pure joy for me
[01:49] <charlie-tca> I will pass the kudos on to the Xubuntu team
[01:49] <gNewPower> I imagine that they must be getting such praise from all over the world now
[01:50] <charlie-tca> It is good anytime to hear good things
[01:50] <gNewPower> with the Unity and GNOME3 madness, Xubuntu really really really looks like the place to be now
[01:53] <gNewPower> cya later :-)
[03:25] <vinky> whats the easiest way to change the time/timezone in xubuntu?
[03:28] <vinky> think I got it
[08:02] <jarnos> Resume from suspend to RAM took more than a minute; please see dmesg: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74130307/dmesg2
[08:07] <jarnos> A lot of time is spend in between 606.158648 and 667.104721
[08:07] <jarnos> there exists /lib/firmware/dvb-usb-dib0700-1.20.fw
[08:08] <jarnos> Why does resume takes that long time?
[11:19] <moevus67_> hi how to see mac address ?
[11:19] <Sysi> type ifconfig in terminal
[11:21] <moevus67_> of course , thanks
[11:46] <kylex> Всем привет
[12:02] <jack_lt> is it possible to rm pulseaudio from Xubuntu 11.04?
[12:03] <Sysi> of course
[12:03] <Sysi> use whatever package manager (frontend) you prefer
[12:04] <jack_lt> hmm that is not a of course in the world of Ubuntu ... are you sure?
[12:04] <jack_lt> it isn't that simple on Ubuntu at least
[12:04] <jack_lt> it is almost impossible on Ubuntu to be honest with you
[12:05] <Sysi> i'm sure it is on xubuntu
[12:05] <jack_lt> ok that would be cool
[12:11] <jack_lt2> http://fpaste.org/C2Kb/
[12:13] <Sysi> indicator-sound is applet on panel and xubuntu-desktop metapackage for easy installation
[12:14] <jack_lt> right, that doesn't seems like a problem
[12:17] <jack_lt2> hmm it is possible to control the souncard with alsa mixer via the volume panel applet
[12:17] <jack_lt2> looks good
[12:17] <jack_lt2> xfce might be my new Gnome2 ;)
[12:18] <jack_lt2> you guys are busy possibly since Unity? ;)
[12:19] <jack_lt2> is xubuntu an official ubuntu version?
[12:28] <Sysi> official derivative
[12:30] <jack_lt> ok
[13:16] <xubuntu044> Hola :D
[13:17] <elros> hi
[13:21] <xubuntu036> Hi! I'm installing xubuntu into my new netbook samsung N145 plus...
[13:21] <xubuntu036> how many partitions i have to create?
[13:26] <xubuntu044> iḿ installing xubuntu on a ext2 partition is better than ext4 ? or revert mi choice and choose ext4
[13:57] <Cenbe>  /win 3
[13:57] <Cenbe> oops...
[16:41] <Mandrew> !xubuntu
[16:41] <Mandrew> !Xubuntu-Channels
[18:02] <roderick> Need help connecting to wireless printer
[19:33] <xubuntu905> hello
[19:33] <xubuntu905> anyone of you using mozilla nightly?
[20:05] <Josesordo> Chrome here
[21:33] <Mandrew> can i do tabs in folder with xubuntu?
[21:33] <Mandrew> folders*
[21:34] <Sysi> thunar doesn't have tabs
[21:34] <Mandrew> that was what i thought :( been looking for it though ;)
[21:34] <Sysi> you can change default filemanager to be nautilus or dolphin
[21:35] <Mandrew> na i like thunar actually :D
[21:35] <Mandrew> it have some really neat stuff
[21:35] <Mandrew> really easy to use too
[21:36] <Mandrew> dolphin is the one in kubuntu right?
[21:37] <Sysi> yup
[21:37] <Mandrew> ok
[21:38] <Mandrew> the bar on the bottom of xubuntu is just a bar right?
[21:39] <Sysi> yup
[21:46] <elros> Mandrew: you can try pcmanfm, it's the default fm for lxde and it has tabs
[21:47] <Mandrew> i dont really need tabs though
[21:48] <Mandrew> and i dont really like pcmanWM though :)
[21:48] <Mandrew> i really like thunar its neat and nice
[21:50] <Mandrew> this is the first distro i havent installed and modded for hours
[21:52] <Mandrew> this is what i have done to my install: http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/y6d0skr8/1_006.png
[21:59] <elros> the default config is pretty goof in xubuntu
[22:02] <Mandrew> you reckon?
[22:03] <Mandrew> how have you modded it?
[22:04] <Sysi> i changed the panels totally.. now i'm on gnome-shell
[22:05] <Sysi> workspaces feel stupid, i maybe have to go back to xfce
[22:05] <Mandrew> ok, but you have gnome-shell in xubuntu?
[22:05] <Sysi> i tried it but unicode broke on xfce4-terminal, on fedora now
[22:06] <Mandrew> yea i dont like gnome-shell at all
[22:06] <Mandrew> ok
[22:06] <elros> you can have gnome-shell with natty + PPA (which breaks Unity) or with oneiric
[22:06] <Mandrew> ok
[22:07] <elros> I'd say for a regular user it's not worth the hassle, better to wait for oneiric
[22:07] <Sysi> unity felt otherly better, but menu is clearer on gnome-shell
[22:07] <Mandrew> well i hope xubuntu dont use gnome-shell in the future
[22:07] <elros> and on xfce, I removed the big icons panel and moved the main panel to bottom
[22:07] <Sysi> Mandrew: xubuntu will always use xfce
[22:08] <Mandrew> good
[22:08] <Sysi> it's the idea of it :P
[22:08] <elros> you can install many different desktop environments in the ubuntu clan, but xubuntu will always use xfce as default
[22:09] <Mandrew> i really dislike gnome-shell and im no fan of unity either
[22:49] <wears_Fedora> ello
[22:49] <wears_Fedora> Anyone care to offer up some Windows printer sharing assistance?
[23:05] <jarnos> elros, I removed the auto-hide-show panel, too. Sometimes it was on the way and I don't open applications that often.
[23:05] <jarnos> elros, I removed the auto-hide-show panel, too. Sometimes it was on the way and I don't open applications that often.
[23:09] <octep> my computer boots from natty just fine however it wont detect the hard drive however the hard drive has a debian based os, and it works great.
[23:09] <octep> the ubuntu installer doesn't see my hard drive on alternate cd
[23:22] <lyczkowski> Hi
[23:22] <lyczkowski> Once question , how make icons apear on desktop with full name?
[23:22] <lyczkowski> Not short


[10:59] <Laney> mmm empty builders
[11:00]  * Laney changes that
[16:22] <jtaylor> does quantal still need xz dpkg-predepends?
[16:22] <jtaylor> or why is lintian complaining?
[16:24] <jtaylor> found debian bug 680391
[17:43] <ESphynx> hey guys... so libffi, trying to use it building 32 bit stuff here, ffi.h goes into /usr/include/i686-linux-gnu/ ...  should that be /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/ ? and would that automatically be in the GCC include path? Thanks.
[17:44] <jtaylor> is the header arch specific?
[17:44] <jtaylor> i686-linux-gnu looks wrong, I don't see how a header could be dependend on i686
[17:44] <ESphynx> It is arch specific, yes
[17:45] <ESphynx> yes looks wrong to me too... I'm wondering if it's just meant to go into /i386-linux-gnu/ and then it would just work...
[17:45] <ESphynx> also can I ask why symlinks like: sudo ln -s libsqlite3.so.0.8.6 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so   are missing ?
[17:46] <jtaylor> symlinks are in the -dev pacakge
[17:46] <ESphynx> jtaylor: but the dev packages are installed.
[17:46] <ESphynx> jtaylor: this is for 32 bit on 64 bit machines. the 32 bit symlinks are missing in action.
[17:46] <jtaylor> thats a bug
[17:46] <ESphynx> ok. it's been going on for almost a year, and is a real annoyance :|
[17:47] <ESphynx> I just put up the instructions on our wiki yesterday to work around that...
[17:47] <ESphynx> so do you know, if /i386-linux-gnu/ will be in the search path?
[17:48] <jtaylor> it should be
[17:48] <ESphynx> I'm worried our PPA won't build anymore with this new libffi dependency
[17:48] <ESphynx> but I guess I'll just have to give it a try :)
[17:50] <jtaylor> the 32bit symlink is there on my precise amd64 machine
[17:50] <ESphynx> The libffi one ? header , or ?
[17:50] <jtaylor> along with headers in i386
[17:50] <jtaylor> what dist are you using?
[17:51] <ESphynx> jtaylor hmm, this one called Windows 7 :P
[17:51] <ESphynx> jtaylor: those headers were a problem with Precise... and yesterday someone with Mint13 which is based on Precise as well
[17:52] <ESphynx> those symlinks I eman
[17:54] <jtaylor> I don't see a problem in precise
[17:54] <ESphynx> You have a  /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so ?
[17:55] <jtaylor> sqlite3-dev is not constallable
[17:56] <jtaylor> so you can currently only have either the 64 bit or 32 bit symlink
[17:56] <ESphynx> constallable ?
[17:57] <jtaylor> ce
[17:57] <jtaylor> coinstallable
[17:57] <ESphynx> is it the same for /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so ?
[17:57] <jtaylor> possibly
[17:59] <ESphynx> and all those other libraries I rely on?
[17:59] <ESphynx> see, that's my problem :P
[17:59] <jtaylor> you can file bugs
[17:59] <jtaylor> but for the core ones there is usually a reason why there are these issues
[18:00] <ESphynx> there's no reason why any libraries could not be coinstallable.
[18:01] <jtaylor> in most cases yes
[18:01] <jtaylor> but there are some things that make it hard
[18:02] <jtaylor> e.g. libxml ships a own config script that hardcodes architectures etc
[18:02] <jtaylor> libglib recommends on python
[18:02] <ESphynx> but all I'm missing here is a few symlinks :P
[18:02] <ESphynx> I bet it 'is' coinstalled after those symlinks are created :P
[21:44] <ESphynx> Hey guys... Could someone please help me resolving dependencies issues for my PPA with libffi ?
[22:22] <ESphynx> who could help me figure this out? :|
[22:26] <UndiFineD> ESphynx, synaptic tells me it only depends upon libc6
[22:29] <ESphynx> UndiFineD: my problem is my app depends on libffi, and saying lib32ffi-dev does not work
[22:30] <UndiFineD> i have libffi6 libffi6:i386 libffi-dev installed
[22:32] <ESphynx> hmmm... should I say libffi6 or libffi? :S
[22:34] <UndiFineD> i have no libffi package in my repository, so libffi6
[22:36] <UndiFineD> ESphynx, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1142000/
[22:42] <ESphynx> I tried putting lib32ffi-dev with [amd64]
[22:45] <jtaylor> why are you trying to cross build in a ppa?
[22:45] <ESphynx> jtaylor: yes =)
[22:46] <jtaylor> I'm not sure if you can build depend on m-a packages yet
[22:46] <jtaylor> but why?
[22:46] <ESphynx> It works with a whole bunch of other libraries
[22:46] <ESphynx> jtaylor: because my software can't built as 64 bit yet.
[22:46] <jtaylor> then only build it on 32 bit
[22:46] <jtaylor> and mark it m-a foreign
[22:47] <ESphynx> jtaylor: that's what I do for the newer distro...
[22:47] <UndiFineD> /mnt/lvmdisk/mirror/ubuntu/quantal/pool/main/libf/libffi/libffi6_3.0.11-1_i386.deb <- there is no amd64 in repo yet
[22:49] <jtaylor> so the problem is?
[22:49] <ESphynx> jtaylor: I'm adding libffi as a dependency...
[22:50] <jtaylor> you should never add libraries as dependencies explicitly
[22:50] <jtaylor> that is done automatically by dpkg-shlibdeps
[22:50] <ESphynx> hmm, really?
[22:50] <ESphynx> You mean the control file?
[22:50] <jtaylor> yes
[22:51] <jtaylor> you only need them in the build dependencies


[08:29] <Myrtti> !troll > wiggmpk
[09:28] <Myrtti> in case you haven't noticed yet, tertl5 needs to be looked at
[09:28] <Myrtti> he's been trolling the whole morning/evening/whatever, and has been warned
[09:39] <elky> nick rings a bell too
[09:54] <Tm_T> unfortunately
[14:29] <Pici> Asking sameshitdiffday to change their nick...
[14:32] <Pici> and wow, they actually did it without causing a scene.
[14:32] <ikonia> excellent
[19:36] <pangolin> !away > MonkeyDust
[21:17] <Pici> genii-around: great


[05:15] <carthik> hi whiprush
[05:17] <whiprush> hi carthik
[08:03] <Burgundavia> whiprush: where are you? don't you usually have a /ubuntu/member cloak?


[06:57] <troy_s> Pingunz you were looking for me?
[07:18] <effraie> troy_s: hello
[07:19] <effraie> can access the private interface of ubuntu-art mailing list?
[07:20] <PingunZ> troy_s, ping
[07:22] <troy_s> greets guys
[07:23] <effraie> s/can/can you
[07:23] <troy_s> private interface?  in what respect?
[08:34] <effraie> troy_s: sorry for the lag
[08:34] <effraie> i'm moderator for the ubuntu-art list
[08:34] <troy_s> i know that :)
[08:34] <effraie> but i can't change my email
[08:34] <troy_s> eek
[08:35] <effraie> and that mail server is often down
[08:36] <effraie> so i want change my moderator'adress, but i cant do it myself
[08:36] <PingunZ> effraie, I'm one too :)
[08:36] <PingunZ> Could you perhaps tell me how I can stop being one ? :D
[08:36] <PingunZ> Cause it's spamming me :)
[08:39] <effraie>  you need to contact the administrator (i think franck shoep can do that)
[08:39] <PingunZ> ok
[08:50] <troy_s> frank has no abilities now i believe
[08:51] <effraie> erf..
[08:51] <effraie> do you you know who has?
[08:51] <effraie> have
[08:51] <troy_s> no... try emailing him
[09:10] <PingunZ> we could ask Mark ? :p
[10:09] <sonzoo> /exit
[11:12] <ali__>  /join #ubuntu-classroom


[00:46]  * skellat has never watched Donnie Darko although he thinks that is where that reference from dzho came from
[01:57] <Unit193> tnseditor!
[11:38] <jrgifford> Unit193: ?
[13:01] <thafreak> jrgifford: ⸘
[13:02] <thafreak> ‽
[18:18] <jrgifford> ah yes, the interrobang.