[03:09] <JanC> daftykins: there _might_ be support for more/better virtual devices or virtualisation features (assuming the host also supports these)
[06:22] <ducasse> hi everyone
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> bbl work
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse have a nice1
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:30] <nicomachus> having some trouble there BluesKaj?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> yeah, trying out neon , and it is buggypw setting doesn't stick, vpn connection to freenode fails etc etc
[15:42] <nicomachus> all from a DE change?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> nope i installed the actual OS, it's some what different than just adding the desktop
[15:52] <nicomachus> oh I see
[18:22] <immu> hi
[19:11] <Bashing-om> Hi guys - here we go again .
[19:12] <ducasse> wb Bashing-om, ready for another session? :)
[19:12] <immu> like whats fancy
[19:13] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Getting there - hope not as nutso as yesterday :P
[19:14] <ducasse> Bashing-om: today starte off very quiet here, but it seems busier now. not my problem, though, i'm not staying around that much longer :)
[19:15] <Bashing-om> ducasse: A pause for the cause . I see what I can do to keep your seat warm :)
[19:17] <ducasse> Bashing-om: always interesting, though - learn something new every day :)
[19:19] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yepper, When I am stumped - when I learn the most . Glad I have this resource of great minds at my disposal .


[02:16] <pleia2> knome: no, but I will in 3 minutes
[02:16] <knome> hehe, ok
[02:20] <pleia2> pretty icons
[02:20] <knome> yep
[02:21] <knome> and lots of renaming and stuff
[02:21] <pleia2> old ubuntu logo
[02:21] <knome> yep, still stuff to do
[02:21] <pleia2> what is Un ubuntu?
[02:21] <knome> universe
[02:21] <knome> :|
[02:22] <pleia2> it's terrible :)
[02:22] <knome> yes
[02:22] <pleia2> looks like I made it
[02:22] <knome> lol
[02:22] <knome> no, it looks better than that
[02:22] <pleia2> hahah
[02:54] <knome> pleia2, btw, if you find pages that have ugly icons, but which aren't from IconsPage, ping me
[02:54] <pleia2> ok
[02:54] <knome> i guess i'm interested :P
[02:54] <knome> not really, but...
[02:54] <knome> i've edited hundreds of pages
[02:55] <pleia2> I edited one
[02:55] <knome> thanks for the encouragement ;)
[02:56] <pleia2> :D
[02:58] <knome> yay, down to 14 pages with IconUsers.png
[03:11] <knome> pleia2, yeah you're right. he's teh boo
[03:12] <pleia2> pretty sure I've banned him from -women more than once
[03:15] <knome> oh bah. i need to go to sleep
[03:17] <pleia2> yes
[03:17] <pleia2> it's dark here
[12:04] <knome> the icons page is clean!
[12:04] <knome> cprofitt, pleia2
[12:52] <knome> new proposed tags: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag/RefreshTags
[18:37] <phillw> knome: love the new tags!


[12:59] <mdke> anyone know how to make an index page which simply redirects to a url?
[01:03] <mdke> don't make me look it up
[01:04] <LaserJock> sorry
[01:09] <mdke> ok, it's a pretty ugly hack, but it'll do for now
[01:09] <mdke> I've put up the docs at the old server at help.ubuntu.com until the wiki move
[01:10] <Burgwork> the amount I know about html could be safely contained in one cup
[01:10] <mdke> thankfully the internet knows loads more
[01:10] <Burgwork> indeed
[01:13] <mdke> lemme know if there are any problems with it
[01:16] <LaserJock> mdke: Packaging Guide (HTML and PDF) seem to work fine
[01:17] <mdke> ok cool
[03:38] <theCore> the channel seem quiet these days
[03:38] <mdke> yep
[03:39] <theCore> well, maybe it's a good sign
[03:40] <mdke> we need to gather our forces again for the next cycle :)
[03:40] <theCore> quiet channel = productivity
[03:40] <theCore> I hope the Developer will go well
[03:41] <LaserJock> theCore: get cracking on the PG outline :-)
[03:41] <theCore> Developer Summit*
[03:41] <LaserJock> I hope so too
[03:42] <LaserJock> I wish more doc people could go
[03:43] <theCore> LaserJock: I got a outline already
[03:43] <LaserJock> is it on UbuntuPackagingGuide ?
[03:43] <theCore> not yet
[03:43] <LaserJock> I didn't get anything in my email box
[03:45] <theCore> I copied the wiki on my machine, and edit it locally
[03:46] <theCore> so I can use emacs ;)
[03:47] <theCore> LaserJock: any ideas for  the guide?
[03:47] <LaserJock> oh jeeze
[03:47] <LaserJock> it's really that hard to do it on the wiki? ;-)
[03:47] <LaserJock> oh, I have my idea
[03:48] <LaserJock> s
[03:48] <LaserJock> but I want other peoplpe to contribute before I work on it
[03:48] <theCore> LaserJock: I see
[03:48] <LaserJock> if I'm going to be working on the Ubuntu Developer's Reference I need to make sure that I have lots of help for the PG
[03:49] <LaserJock> and it isn't all about me, it is the communities doc
[03:49] <theCore> oh, I didn't heard about this one
[03:49] <LaserJock> theCore: do you know the Debian Developer's Reference? it is on www.debian.org/devel/
[03:50] <theCore> LaserJock: yeah
[03:52] <LaserJock> Ian Jackson (who wrote it and worked on most of the Debian developer docs) started an Ubuntu port of it
[03:52] <LaserJock> but he is also very busy as the Ubuntu firefox guy so he wanted me to take it over
[03:55] <theCore> LaserJock: that sound familiar to me ...
[03:55] <LaserJock> mhm
[03:55] <theCore> LaserJock: did you got the PG the same way?
[03:55] <LaserJock> sort of
[03:58] <theCore> Technical Committee -- chairman: Ian Jackson
[03:58] <theCore> not an average Joe
[04:00] <LaserJock> no
[04:00] <LaserJock> sort of intimidating
[04:00] <LaserJock> but it is also not within the doc team
[04:00] <LaserJock> it is sgml and I have html, pdf, and translations to think about
[04:01] <mdke> the build system is there already, presumably
[04:01] <kbrooks> bbl, bed
[04:01] <LaserJock> mdke: yes, thankfully
[04:02] <theCore> I wonder how the Debian folks are feeling about seeing one of their top developpers playing with Ubuntu
[04:02] <LaserJock> well, there are others
[04:03] <theCore> does sgml is close to docbook?
[04:03] <mdke> yeah
[04:03] <LaserJock> yes, I think so
[04:04] <theCore> I think it's mostly the same thing, isn't it?
[04:04] <theCore> so, converting it to docbook will be easy
[04:05] <LaserJock> welll, I don't think I'll be doing that
[04:06] <LaserJock> it is set up with the debian doc system and I don't wan to mess with that
[04:06] <mdke> you can't
[04:07] <LaserJock> can't what?
[04:07] <mdke> you'll be trying to ensure that you can just patch the debian version
[04:07] <mdke> you can't convert it to docbook
[04:07] <LaserJock> I guess I could, but I don't think that would be wise
[04:11] <theCore> so, the guide will be just an Ubuntu-ized version of the Debian Developer's Reference?
[04:12] <LaserJock> it will be the Ubuntu Developer's Reference and yes it is Ubuntuizing the DDR
[04:14] <theCore> then we are better to keep it to sgml, so if there are changes on the Debian side, we can merge them back into our guide
[04:14] <LaserJock> yeah, and it is its own package
[04:15] <theCore> LaserJock: I submitted a few ideas on the wiki
[04:16] <LaserJock> great
[04:35] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: ping
[04:35] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: pong
[04:36] <Madpilot> ah, you are home already
[04:36] <Madpilot> I actually wanted the real install disc, not the LiveCD disc - I know how to use the old-fashioned installer...
[04:36] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot and Burgundavia
[04:36] <Burgundavia> well then you should have told me
[04:36] <Burgundavia> live with yer livecd, boy
[04:37] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: I thought I had - I asked for an install disc
[04:37] <theCore> LaserJock: so, any comments?
[04:37] <Burgundavia> you did and one you got
[04:37] <LaserJock> that is why they have been renamed to Desktop Cd and Alternate CD
[04:37] <Madpilot> Can the LiveCD installer be trusted around existing partitions? I haven't got most of my stuff backed up, and if this thing eats /home I'll be highly unimpressed...
[04:37] <robotgeek> the uncool installer
[04:38] <LaserJock> theCore: hmm, let me hack on it for a sec
[04:38] <robotgeek> Madpilot: file a bug
[04:38] <Burgundavia> yes, it can be
[04:38] <Burgundavia> it has not yet eaten my window install
[04:38] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: too bad ;)
[04:38] <LaserJock> it ate all my stuff on Flight7
[04:38] <LaserJock> more or less
[04:38] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: flight7 was a while ago
[04:38] <Madpilot> LaserJock: hopefully that was just Flight7, not this final release LiveCD...
[04:39] <LaserJock> I don't think so but I thought the partitioner sucked
[04:39] <Madpilot> meh. It can read existing partition tables, at least?
[04:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:39] <Madpilot> OK... here goes nothing...
[04:40] <LaserJock> that's right, be adventurous
[04:41] <Madpilot> thanks... I think
[04:42] <Madpilot> I really need to set money aside for a 2nd HDD, just in case Edgy fubars my system too :|
[04:43] <robotgeek> i'm only going to vmware from now on :)
[04:44] <robotgeek> or Xen
[04:44] <theCore> robotgeek: what is vmware, btw?
[04:44] <Madpilot> that still needs a base OS to run on, and mine is currently borked
[04:44] <robotgeek> theCore: allows you to run a different OS instance on top of another
[04:45] <robotgeek> you could run linux on windows, windows on linux and so on
[04:45] <Madpilot> um, should I just delete sda1, re-create it, and make sure it's designated as root? I can't see a way of saying "Use this existing partition as root, and delete everything in it first"
[04:45] <theCore> robotgeek: looks cool, must be slow
[04:48] <robotgeek> theCore: actually no, its decent
[04:49] <Madpilot> where the heck is the 'use this partition as root' flag in this graphical thing?
[04:49] <Madpilot> anyone?
[04:50] <LaserJock> honestly, I'm not sure
[04:50] <theCore> robotgeek: anyway, i didn't used Windows for a year now, and I don't plan to use it soon, thanks for the info
[04:51] <theCore> Madpilot: I think it's to make the partition only readable (or mountable) by root
[04:51] <robotgeek> theCore: could work like a chroot too, run breezy in dapper, edgy in dapper and so on
[04:52] <theCore> ahh
[04:52] <theCore> / <- root
[04:53] <theCore> Madpilot: it's the mount point of the partition
[04:53] <Madpilot> yeah, I know. Apparently this livecd installer does things in a different order from the text installer, though
[04:54] <Madpilot> in the 'real' installer, you set up all your paritions & assign roles to them at once. Apparently the gui thing does partitions first, then assigns roles in the next screen...
[04:55] <LaserJock> ah
[05:03] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[05:04] <jsgotangco> good morning
[05:04] <LaserJock> to much Dapper partying?
[05:05] <Madpilot> right, I just hit the Install button... here goes...
[05:05] <Madpilot> ;)
[05:05] <LaserJock> wow, if you got that far it should work ok
[05:05] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: we went to karaoke last night
[05:06] <jsgotangco> i feel like i have this huge gash on top of my palate
[05:07] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: it's retribution for inflicting karaoke on the universe, that's what it is. :)
[05:07] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:12] <jsgotangco> hmm how do i erase a cd in default gnome?
[05:12] <jsgotangco> cdrw rather
[05:12] <Madpilot> Gnomebaker?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> well that's installing one more app
[05:13] <jsgotangco> i was looking for something in the default
[05:13] <Madpilot> can Nautilus?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> nautilus can burn
[05:13] <Madpilot> I should buy a CDRW or two and check...
[05:14] <Madpilot> ah, Installation is apparently complete (that was fast)... I will now reboot, and see what's working...
[05:20] <LaserJock> k3b?
[05:20] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: just use cdrecord to do it
[05:21] <jsgotangco> console? yuck
[05:21] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:21] <mgalvin> :)
[05:21] <mgalvin> heres are few examples
[05:21] <LaserJock> xcdroast!
[05:21] <mgalvin> http://www.cpqlinux.com/cdrw.html
[05:22] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: k3b is probably the best burner atm although its a kde app
[05:22] <mgalvin> at least its part of the default install
[05:22] <jsgotangco> (best burner frontend rather)
[05:22] <LaserJock> I know but you went from nautilus to k3b
[05:23] <LaserJock> gnomebaker seemed really nice to me
[05:24] <mgalvin> nautilus uses cdrecord to do its bidding anyway
[05:24] <LaserJock> don't they all
[05:24] <jsgotangco> NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord
[05:24] <jsgotangco>       and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version.
[05:24] <jsgotangco>       Please send bug reports and support requests to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>org>.
[05:24] <jsgotangco>       The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version.
[05:25] <mgalvin> LaserJock: probably, i'm not sure though
[05:25] <LaserJock> k3b uses cdrecord
[05:26] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: it always says that, just ignore it :-/
[05:29] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: that is because the upstream author of cdrecord is very hard to work with
[05:32] <theCore> LaserJock: have you done with the editing?
[05:34] <LaserJock> nope
[05:34] <LaserJock> I'm slow
[05:34] <LaserJock> and I had to do some things around the house ;-)
[05:38] <Madpilot> back - everything seems to have worked!
[05:39] <LaserJock> Madpilot: \o/
[05:39] <Madpilot> gah... why does 'killall gnome-panel' kill XChat too?
[05:39] <LaserJock> umm, because it isn't a part of gnome-panel
[05:41] <Lathiat> probably because it has a tray icon
[05:41] <Lathiat> and crashes when the tray disappears
[05:41] <Lathiat> as some thigns tended to do
[05:41] <Lathiat> altho many were fixee
[05:41] <Lathiat> d
[05:41] <Madpilot> evidently XChat hasn't been fixed...
[05:51] <theCore> hmm... the Makefile is broken
[05:51] <theCore> cp -r ../generic/serverguide/C/sample/* ../build/ubuntu/serverguide/C/sample/
[05:51] <theCore> cp: cannot stat `../generic/serverguide/C/sample/*': No such file or directory
[05:51] <theCore> make[1] : *** [server]  Error 1
[05:51] <theCore> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/alex/docs/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu'
[05:51] <theCore> make: *** [website]  Error 2
[05:57] <Burgundavia> hmm, too bad D has already been done: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/dugong/
[06:04] <theCore> Burgundavia: that is the most annoying animation loop I ever saw
[06:04] <Burgundavia> theCore: really, I am sure i could find worse
[06:04] <theCore> Burgundavia: wait, no it come in second place
[06:04] <Madpilot> ...after the badger one? ;)
[06:05] <theCore> that's the one: http://www.zombo.com/
[06:10] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, I updated it
[06:11] <theCore> LaserJock: "Experience users who"
[06:17] <theCore> LaserJock: btw, which mail client do you use?
[06:17] <LaserJock> oh, thunderbird, Mail.app, mutt, pine
[06:17] <theCore> Mail.app?
[06:18] <theCore> a mac app?
[06:18] <Burgundavia> theCore: I have found somethign more annoying: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/aaaaaaaaaaaaahaha/
[06:18] <theCore> Burgundavia: impossible
[06:18] <LaserJock> theCore: yeah, I use an iMac for most things
[06:19] <theCore> LaserJock: is it good? it seem a lot of web developpers are using Mac these days
[06:20] <theCore> Burgundavia: ok, I can handle anymore
[06:20] <theCore> s/dle/dle it/
[06:20] <LaserJock> theCore: I like it except for the fact that there is hardly any good free software
[06:21] <theCore> Burgundavia: yeah, it's even more annoying than Zombo.com
[06:21] <Burgundavia> theCore: hah
[06:22] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I am enjoying the randomness of flash on teh net
[06:22] <theCore> LaserJock: yeah, switching to a Mac seem to imply a switch from free software to shareware
[06:24] <theCore> Burgundavia: ok, that site is so funny
[06:24] <LaserJock> theCore: well, not Mac specifically (you can put linux on it after all) but it is on par with Windows (from what I've seen) when it comes to non-free ($0) software
[06:24] <theCore> Burgundavia: it's so random
[06:26] <LaserJock> I would definately dual boot with Ubuntu/OSX rather than Ubuntu/Windows XP
[06:26] <theCore> LaserJock: the GUI on Mac is sexy, I must give that. I wish that Gnome come par to Aqua, if it does it will be a giant win
[06:26] <LaserJock> meh
[06:26] <theCore> s/Mac/OSX/
[06:27] <LaserJock> I think it should be differnt, why try to clone somebody else's product
[06:27] <LaserJock> Gnome is sweet (KDE too for that matter) and I think all the GUIs have their pro's and con's
[06:28] <LaserJock> that's not to say that we can't learn anything from OSZ
[06:28] <theCore> LaserJock: not cloning, but offering a higher-level of interactivity would make Gnome much usable
[06:28] <LaserJock> OSX
[06:29] <theCore> I think OSX is becoming much more dangerous than
[06:29] <theCore> windows
[06:29] <LaserJock> I don't know, I still use OS X as a glorified terminal
[06:30] <Burgundavia> theCore: they both present strategic threats, but I think MS is still the bigger threat than Apple
[06:30] <LaserJock> as far as a threat to Ubuntu I think OSX is bigger
[06:31] <theCore> Apple aims the developpers and the artists; those we need to get on our side
[06:31] <LaserJock> in my field, I have seen people go from Windows -> OSX, Linux -> OS X, Windows -> Linux, but never OSX -> Linux  or OSX -> Windows
[06:31] <LaserJock> theCore: also scientists
[06:32] <theCore> LaserJock: bizzare
[06:32] <LaserJock> lots and lots of scientists
[06:32] <theCore> LaserJock: indeed
[06:32] <LaserJock> you get the Unix underpinnings with an easy to use interface
[06:32] <theCore> "Unix"
[06:33] <LaserJock> people who would rather drop dead then use Windows will use OSX with out to much of a problem
[06:34] <robotgeek> OS X's unix sucks!
[06:34] <LaserJock> my boss ran *nix for probally 20 years and this year he has converted the whole lab (virtually) to OS X
[06:34] <theCore> the problem right is that Linux hasn't a lot of killer apps for the end-users
[06:35] <LaserJock> in my field I think the biggest problem is the perception that Linux is not a desktop OS
[06:35] <LaserJock> they don't mind using it for a computational server
[06:35] <theCore> Apache is probably the biggest killer apps for Linux, but end-users don't care about building server
[06:37] <theCore> even if Linux is 10x faster for statistical computing?
[06:37] <theCore> compared to OS X
[06:37] <LaserJock> 10x?
[06:38] <LaserJock> oh yeah, we use Linux exclusively for computational clusters and servers
[06:38] <LaserJock> but I'm the only one in the department that presently usese Linux as a desktop OS
[06:39] <LaserJock> out of ~ 100 people
[06:39] <theCore> LaserJock: the XNU hybrid kernel is a turtle compared to Linux
[06:39] <LaserJock> theCore: I have no idea, but my iMac is the fastest computer available to me
[06:39] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:40] <theCore> LaserJock: that is where Ubuntu is changing the rules, the Desktop
[06:40] <LaserJock> yeah, that's why I started with the MOTU and Edubuntu
[06:40] <LaserJock> to bring desktop Linux to scientists
[06:42] <theCore> I hope with Edgy we will push the desktop even further
[06:42] <LaserJock> there is a ways to go still, but we are making progress
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> theCore, its not the kernel at frault afaik, apple just stuffed up somewhat
[06:44] <theCore> Xgl seem to a good opportunity
[06:45] <Burgundavia> xgl has issues among the xorg devs
[06:45] <LaserJock> all I know is that the fastest computers in the department are all Apples
[06:45] <theCore> Burgundavia: really?
[06:46] <theCore> Kamping_Kaiser: I wonder what it is then
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> theCore, i hear macos x memory management is something shocking
[06:47] <Burgundavia> theCore: yep
[06:47] <Burgundavia> the whole "new X server thing" has got them a little annoyed
[06:48] <theCore> Kamping_Kaiser: memory isn't managed by the kernel?
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> theCore, i dont remember how it works (wonder if  ihave the link still), but i saw someone be less tehn complementry about the way apple had worked the memory mangement
[06:50] <theCore> I wonder how we could bring artists to Linux ....
[06:50] <LaserJock> by making it a professional look OS that has apps that have the functionality they need
[06:50] <theCore> Kamping_Kaiser: I think I saw a page on that
[06:50] <Burgundavia> create a great plaform and they will come
[06:50] <LaserJock> just like any other group :-)
[06:52] <LaserJock> it might be easier to say how to *not* bring <group> to Linux
[06:52] <theCore> that's a bit self-referential, to get artists, you need artists...
[06:53] <LaserJock> yep
[06:53] <theCore> but everything is like that
[06:53] <theCore> to get <group>, you need <group>
[06:54] <LaserJock> but I do think there are things we can do in general to help attract all groups, I think
[06:54] <theCore> because they're the only who know what they need
[06:54] <theCore> LaserJock: I hope so
[06:56] <LaserJock> however, some of the things are sort of anti-Linux philosophy so I'm not sure they'll ever work
[06:56] <theCore> like?
[06:56] <robotgeek> yeah, some people are totally anti linux.
[06:57] <LaserJock> IMHO, we have too much redundant software
[06:57] <theCore> robotgeek: really?
[06:57] <theCore> LaserJock: good point
[06:57] <robotgeek> theCore: yes, everyone has their share of irrationality
[06:57] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: redundant software is solved by better software and better social practices
[06:57] <theCore> LaserJock: just look at the distros
[06:57] <LaserJock> choice is good until we start diluting our resources until we have thousands of pieces of crap
[06:58] <robotgeek> wow, xubuntu looks sweet!
[06:58] <LaserJock> the Linux science software is full of half-baked ideas that never really got anywhere
[06:58] <theCore> LaserJock: at least Ubuntu is doing a job at bringing peoples together
[06:58] <LaserJock> I agree
[06:58] <theCore> a good job*
[06:59] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I agree
[06:59] <robotgeek> LaserJock: for example, look for a decent image processing library
[07:00] <LaserJock> at this point I can't say to my boss, "Look Linux has superior software to the stuff you can buy us for OS X"
[07:00] <theCore> there something we must not forget: quality worth more than policy
[07:00] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: what is needed is a group of app devs together and work on stuff in common
[07:01] <theCore> it's not enough to be open-source, it must be good
[07:01] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: totally
[07:01] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you are well placed to start that kind of conversation
[07:01] <theCore> Burgundavia: it could be great
[07:01] <LaserJock> if Linux in general was an extension of how I see Ubuntu working then I think we could make great strides
[07:02] <Burgundavia> one of these days I am going to get all the app makers of gtk+ education apps together and hash some things out
[07:02] <LaserJock> yeah!
[07:02] <theCore> +1 for a ubuntu app-dev group
[07:02] <robotgeek> scilab vs octave vs scipy vs numpy (all of them do the same thing, differently)
[07:02] <Burgundavia> I think all they need is the idea that there app may be shipped
[07:02] <LaserJock> exactly
[07:03] <robotgeek> i picked scipy, ended up reading stuff from Matlab documentation
[07:04] <theCore> I hope that conversation will continue to Ubuntu Developer's Summit
[07:05] <LaserJock> if we could get together in a spirit of cooperation and teamwork we can start pulling things together
[07:05] <theCore> and drop the zealotry
[07:06] <LaserJock> well, zealotry for quality open-source software we need to keep ;-)
[07:06] <theCore> haha, I hope you're being sarcarstic :P
[07:09] <theCore> that make me remember something: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-3.html
[07:09] <theCore> "Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen."
[07:13] <theCore> pushing the limits of computing; that's what peoples should aims for
[08:02] <Madpilot> I think we should have a feed from ELER on the Fridge :)
[08:04] <Madpilot> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/terrorismistic
[01:18] <ploum_> Hello
[09:59] <pygi> mdke, what happened this time? :)
[10:00] <mdke> I've been battling against fop, and have succeeded in vanquishing it
[10:01] <pygi> o joy, congrats :)
[10:10] <theCore> yay, activity!
[10:11] <pygi> theCore, Lol :)
[10:12] <theCore> it been 5+ hour without anything happen here
[10:12] <mdke> 14 to be precise
[10:13] <pygi> o joy :)
[10:14] <mdke> pygi: you are very joyful today
[10:14] <pygi> mdke, hehe :)
[10:16] <pygi> mdke, rather that then to be sad :)
[10:16] <mdke> quite
[10:32] <pygi> mdke, what will we print?
[10:33] <pygi> desktop guides?
[10:33] <mdke> everything
[10:33] <pygi> mdke, then you shall help me someday to prepare cookbook for lulu? :)
[10:33] <mdke> sure, we can do that for edgy, if you convert it to docbook
[10:34] <pygi> we'll even have this version in docbook
[10:34] <mdke> in _valid_ docbook?
[10:35] <pygi> yes, valid docbook :)
[10:36] <mdke> jolly good
[10:36] <mdke> it'd be nice to see edubuntu docs working nicely in our repo alongside the {x//k}ubuntu ones
[10:38] <mdke> at the moment we only have releasenotes/aboutedubuntu/school-advocacy
[10:41] <pygi> yup, I know
[10:41] <pygi> I have to poke around ubuntu-doc list so me and Susan could get svn access
[10:43] <mdke> cool
[10:43] <mdke> we always like new help :)
[10:44] <pygi> I am always willing to help ;)
[10:44] <pygi> Altought I'll try to avoid the thing which I done with network-manager :P
[10:44] <pygi> (one week no sleep)
[10:44] <mdke> heh
[10:47] <theCore> mdke: well, it's not suitable to all tastes ...
[10:48] <mdke> theCore: sorry?
[10:48] <mdke> ah, the desktop guide
[10:48] <mdke> it's offensive, you think?
[10:48] <theCore> mdke: yeah, you need to be a geek
[10:49] <theCore> not offensive
[10:49] <mdke> I don't think you need to be a geek
[10:49] <mdke> hope not anyway
[10:52] <mdke> ah, my bad
[10:54] <mdke> pygi: here is the list of what we are publishing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/CompleteBookTranslations
[10:56] <theCore> mdke: what did you choosed for the cover?
[10:56] <pygi> mdke, why not also croatian desktop guide? :p
[10:57] <mdke> pygi: it wasn't translated in time
[10:57] <mdke> theCore: Madpilot has been handling it, I think I have a copy somewhere, hang on
[10:57] <pygi> mdke, ah, well :)
[10:57] <mdke> pygi: we'll add it when we update the translations next
[10:58] <pygi> mdke, nah, don't worry ;)
[10:59] <mdke> pygi: well, I intend to add all the new ones when we update the translations. Do you want me to make an exception for hr?
[10:59] <mdke> theCore: sorry, can't find it
[10:59] <pygi> mdke, nop, I was just worried that you would work just for hr
[11:00] <pygi> if you are adding all, then this one can be good as well ;)
[11:00] <theCore> mdke:  ok, thanks for trying
[11:01] <mdke> pygi: if you can translate the other guides too, I'll add them
[11:02] <pygi> mdke, oki, I might give it a try
[11:05] <theCore> mdke: do you know how the karma thing in launchpad works?
[11:06] <mdke> theCore: if you do uploads, file bugs, add specs or add translations, you get karma
[11:07] <theCore> mdke: do you know how the total is calulated?
[11:07] <mdke> theCore: no
[11:07] <theCore> mdke: I just wandering how much karma do you have?
[11:08] <mdke> not sure, you can look
[11:08] <theCore> oh, ok
[11:08] <mdke> 20185
[11:08] <theCore> mdke: O_o
[11:09] <theCore> mdke: I have a merely 334pt
[11:09] <mdke> oh well.  You must be on some inferior operating system
[11:18] <mdke> it's the abstract from the packaging guide in korean
[11:19] <LaserJock> ah cool
[11:24] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if irssi just doesn't like unicode
[11:25] <mdke> yeah, you need to set some option
[11:27] <LaserJock> doh, so I forgot a . ?
[11:27] <mdke> yeah, you'll be judged on that
[11:28] <mdke> :(
[11:29] <Laser_away> that stinks
[11:30] <mdke> mm?
[11:30] <LaserJock> I should have seen that
[11:31] <mdke> it's so trivial
[11:31] <LaserJock> but annoying
[11:32] <LaserJock> darn, I was hoping Corey was around
[11:34] <LaserJock> I'm so excited about the Packaging Guide and Developer's Reference for Edgy
[11:36] <pygi> LaserJock, :)
[11:36] <LaserJock> pygi, and of course I'll be eager to see how the Edubuntu cookbook goes too
[11:36] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:36] <pygi> LaserJock, hehe :)
[11:37] <pygi> It's called "How To Cook Edubuntu?", remember? :)
[11:38] <LaserJock> yeah, I have a hard time remembering that
[11:38] <LaserJock> Edubuntu Cookbook sound more natural to my American ears :-)
[11:38] <pygi> well, it is actually Edubuntu Cookbook,it's just named the way it's named :P
[11:41] <LaserJock> so when will they be available to buy?
[11:41] <pygi> LaserJock, should be right now
[11:41] <mdke> once Madpilot has done the covers and we've uploaded those
[11:41] <pygi> ah, covers ;)
[11:42] <LaserJock> I'll try to get my Grandpa to buy the Packaging Guide when it's up ;-)
[11:43] <pygi> LaserJock, lol :)
[11:44] <LaserJock> he was interested in lulu.com when I was over there last weekend
[11:44] <pygi> I saw cafepress also offers book printing
[11:44] <pygi> not sure how cafepress and lulu compare tho
[11:45] <mdke> me neither
[11:45] <mdke> lulu is great though
[11:45] <pygi> what type on "bindings" are we doing?
[11:46] <mdke> erm
[11:46] <mdke> thingy
[11:46] <mdke> Perfect Bound
[11:47] <pygi> there is paperback and Hardcover if I am not mistaken
[11:47] <mdke> it's Perfect Bound
[11:47] <mdke> there are a few types of paperback
[11:48] <pygi> hm,ok
[11:52] <LaserJock> mdke: did the wiki get moved yet?
[11:53] <mdke> no :-(
[11:54] <mdke> monday hopefully
[11:55] <LaserJock> k
[11:55] <LaserJock> but the docs have moved?
[11:56] <mdke> eh?
[11:57] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com/6.06 is now default when you go to help.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <mdke> that's still the old server
[12:00] <theCore> mdke: did you made changes in the Makefiles recently?
[12:00] <mdke> theCore: probably
[12:01] <theCore> because, right now the Makefile is so broken
[12:01] <mdke> works fine for me
[12:01] <theCore> fop.sh?
[12:02] <theCore> where is this script?
[12:02] <mdke> read branches/dapper/libs/pdf/README
[12:05] <theCore> does the main trunk works fine?


 @Eickmeyer Congratulations, will be testing UC tomorrow
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1870856
 Kubuntu api-dbus ?

 not using kubuntu, using regular ubuntu
 oh uh
 idk
 idk what that language is so i can't tell you (edited)
 Would an option like that in kubuntu be legal?
 Hello Guys, anyone testing dual screen 4K/HiDPI?
[01:45] <valorie> not just guys here.....
 Guys=guys/gals (sorry, in Australia)
 We try to save words downunder 😉
[01:46] <valorie> people, folks, lots of inclusive words are available
[01:46]  * valorie prefers y'all
 Hm, true. lesson learned
[01:47] <valorie> :-)
[01:47]  * valorie has only a laptop, so no dual screens
 Can't get my screen placement to last over session lock, logoff and restarts 😞
[02:11] <valorie> @KamilaJM -- I would check the permissions in your $HOME
[02:11] <valorie> everything should be owned by your user, *none* by root
[02:12] <valorie> especially your ~/.config folder/files
[02:12] <valorie> if sudo was used sometime by mistake, it can mess that up
[02:12] <valorie> !chown
 Hm. Can't see anything with root permission. Will run a chown, just be sure. Thanks
[02:13] <valorie> hope it helps!
 ran a chown -R. Let's see how the next restart goes. Thanks
[02:15] <valorie> sure
 No, "is" would be correct. (re @rajkumaar23: )
 You can kinda look at it differently by taking other words out. "Some software is proprietary"
 You can kinda look at it differently by taking other words out. "This software... is proprietary" (edited)
 Unless you'd say some software are proprietary, but that screams broken English to me.
 Unless you'd say "some software are proprietary", but that screams broken English to me. (edited)
 Could you help with creating a how-to document for playing SC2 on Kubuntu 20.04? All I need is the text files from your .wine folder. Anything ending in .reg or having Winetricks in the name. If not in the root of .wine then drive_c. (re @DarinMiller: yes, kubuntu)
 The discussion is here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1670268 (re @schykle: No, "is" would be correct.)
 Just finished testing SC2 vulkan using lutris. Wow!  Min framerates were mid 40's. Typical framerates were mid 70's, topping out over 100 when things were slow.
 What CPU and video card? (re @DarinMiller: Just finished testing SC2 vulkan using lutris. Wow!  Min framerates were mid 40's. Typical framerates were mid 70's, topping out over 100 when things were slow.)
 CPU: i7-4771, GPU EVGA Geforece GTX 1080
 How did you get your hands on a 4771? And how high have you clocked it?
 Everything is std clock speed. My desktop is older
 I wish you could use SLI. I have 3 of these GTX 1070 FTW2 cards!
 Do you play Legacy DOOM? Like using GZDoomGL?
 CPU clock spd. 3.5GHz, GPU speeds GPU:  GClock 2012MHz, Mem: 10010Mhz
 I play doom2016
 I can push my memory to about 2012 clock and 8996 memory, but you have 2x the processing power on that card. That's why I want to SLI all my cards together!
 I mean clock to 2012 and mem to 8996.
 These were mining cards. These little bad-boys used to make me $6 per day each! I built my own mining rig frame using some wood from Home Depot for about $12 total each. People were selling rig frames for $100+!
 GTX 1070's should play quite nicely.  On occasion in SC2, I would hit stutter (once every 10 min or so) but frames rates would be mid 70's so I don't know why.  Overall, SC2 has run better than ever.
 Excellent.  That's awesome that you were able to make  with setup!
 make money^
 I was to the point of making over $200 per day. Why work, right? I actually quit my job and lived off mining!
 Nice!
 Did you still need my wine setup?  It's generic DXVK lutris: https://lutris.net/games/starcraft-ii/
 welcome @Dreamingwolf @hey_aris
 I probably shouldn't be surprised at how well Xubuntu 20.04 is running for me, so I guess I won't be :D
 good for me as well
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> morning ; )
 Heyo! Good morning!
 20.04 seems to be an awesome release across all the flavors.  I am quite impressed.
 Good Morning!
 I'm glad! (re @DarinMiller: 20.04 seems to be an awesome release across all the flavors.  I am quite impressed.)
 Good morning
 By the way guys, I need community input for the boot screen to use in 20.10. https://twitter.com/UbuntuCinnamon/status/1246644093167566849
 Yeah, I have tried K, X and regular Ubuntu and Mate and all have been fine. I guess I'll just settle into Xubuntu for the long haul, as I'm just comfortable with Xfce (re @DarinMiller: 20.04 seems to be an awesome release across all the flavors.  I am quite impressed.)
 @philipz Thank you
 Everybody has a favorite, I guess, haha
 Just did my first case for Ubuntu Budgie, passed well! :D
 Should we vote on the above twitter link even if we don't run Cinnamon?
 Awesome. I haven't tried Budgie in forever. Solid? (re @schykle: Just did my first case for Ubuntu Budgie, passed well! :D)
 Indeed! I really like the built-in dock feature of the Budgie Panel. They make it pretty easy to customize ootb, but what really gets me is the plugins they include. A lot of nifty little things that I think people will really enjoy. (re @electragician: Awesome. I haven't tried Budgie in forever. Solid?)
 Awesome then. Maybe if I get curious to try out something new I'll give it a shot (re @schykle: Indeed! I really like the built-in dock feature of the Budgie Panel. They make it pretty easy to customize ootb, but what really gets me is the plugins they include. A lot of nifty little things that I think people will really enjoy.)
 Budgie is slick
 Typically Ubuntu and Budgie, and I also found cinnamon to be slick and elegant
 Of course, that is when you freshly install thm
 Of course, that is when you freshly install them (edited)
 All it takes is extra packages and its gone :P
 For EST: it's midnight in 6 minutes, here are products that have not been tested:
 For EST: it's midnight in 6 minutes, here are products that have not been tested (50% of mandatory tasks cannot be completed to qualify)
 Kubuntu
 Ubuntu
 Ubuntu Kylin
 Ubuntu MATE (iso for apr 5 is now available)
 Ubuntu Studio (I will test tomorrow)
 Xubuntu (edited)
 Sidenote: I'm glad you guys are working hard. Keep up the great work! I'm also proud that when I joined, there was about 65 members, now we have +20 more. Great job! See you all tomorrow.
 Which link are you referencing for the test status?  This one shows most everything completed: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/411/builds
 That is beta. I am talking about the daily:
 176,83,33
 ugh
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds
 this one-Beta is pretty much good as it seems most of the tasks have been completed and the bug reports are coming in well.
 Of course, we can't make assumptions, so it's always good to test out the daily's, too.
 Test the daily's every day between beta release and go live?
[04:03] <valorie> the cool thing about doing that if we can, is that we catch bugs and test bugfixes
[04:03] <valorie> helps the devels a lot
 Test as much as you can. Thanks to Canonical's amazing services, ISO's are built for them daily.
 Every two days, the ISO's are scrapped and I believe if the testcases aren't complete, then they won't rebuild a new iso for the next day, but again, all ISO's are scrapped after two days.
[04:05] <valorie> @ItzSwirlz - they build them if there are changes
[04:05] <valorie> no point in rebuilding the same thing
 Comment: I just booted xub 20.04 daily; it started with a "Installation failed" message in box (black background, before desktop drew); which some users may find confusing (it was a live run and not install... result I think of failed checksums on thumb-drive (I seem to get a lot of em)), is that worthy of bug report?  It's easy to miss the 'check disk for defects' normal output as
 Yeah, I forgot about this. I can probably get my settings from that. Thanks! (re @DarinMiller: Did you still need my wine setup?  It's generic DXVK lutris: https://lutris.net/games/starcraft-ii/)
 The ISOs build daily, no matter what. They are just on cron jobs. They only don't if the release team turn the cron off for milestones etc. (re @ItzSwirlz: Test as much as you can. Thanks to Canonical's amazing services, ISO's are built for them daily.
 Every two days, the ISO's are scrapped and I believe if the testcases aren't complete, then they won't rebuild a new iso for the next day, but again, all ISO's are scrapped after two days.)

 Hi, I'm trying to find out if anyone else has an issue with strectched image icons, i cant post on askubuntu as 20.04 is offtopc
 Hi, I'm trying to find out if anyone else has an issue with strectched image icons, i cant post on askubuntu as 20.04 is off topic (edited)
 i upgraded from 19.10, im wondering if a clean install is preferable?
 wheres best to report this?
 Launchpad would be my guess
 You might be able to ask on discourse.ubuntu.com as well
 thanks
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs (re @chrisjimallen: )
 Backup move .config to .config.bak and restart. See whether that fixes it. Then the problem is some corrupt config
 @KapilaJM will try that, TY
 I'm going to try a couple of things first @guiverc befire doing that, but thanks!
 👍
 :)
 @KapilaJM you mean gnome config? :P
 Yes Mate 🤑
 👌 (re @KapilaJM: Yes Mate 🤑)
 I always do my dist upgrades in init 1. Had few config  corruptions in my Fedora days
 good to know. im self isolating until monday, luckily ok, so i have an entire day to kill. think im going to reinstall :)
 Nothing like a fresh install
 @guiverc about the installation failed message for xubuntu, which software did you copy the ISO to the USB with? does it also show up when you run it in a VM?
[10:09] <guiverc> @philipz, `mkusb` but no I'm convinced its a crappy thumb-drive (new verbatim, don't buy them!); switching to term and `dmesg |grep squashfs` is why I'm blaming thumbdrive
 how does one fire up a daily 20.04 image in MultiPass, that is not clear to me
 do a MultiPass find
 The 20.04 image is seen as "daily:20.04"
 then do a "multipass launch "daily:20.04"
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> @Itzswirlz: have you been able to test the dock bug yesterday?
 @ItzSwirlz it would have been nice to have clarified what each of them before the poll, as i voted and wasnt sure what was what. :D
 Yes, I confirmed it on launchpad (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <lotuspsychje> @Itzswirlz: have you been able to test the dock bug yesterday?)
 @bashfulrobot congrats on getting the domain ubuntubudgie.com back from squatters
 Oh yay
 I knew r/Ubuntu Budgie was squatted
 Were you able to at least change your vote? (re @philipz: @ItzSwirlz it would have been nice to have clarified what each of them before the poll, as i voted and wasnt sure what was what. :D)
 My plan is to launch 3 total community polls then average out the numbers
 no they don't give option to change vote
 Darn. I'll do it next time
 Which one were you intending to vote?
 YESSSSSSSS
 Comments of the omg! ubuntu article

 Surprised we were noticed there-I didn't think the comments would have a mention of us
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> @ItzSwirlz: great thanks!
 Any bugs to look out for in Studio?
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> Eickmeyer might know that ^
 I dont know how I got it but I got bug #1835579
 Something with the XFCE color scheme.
<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Found this archive
 @ItzSwirlz Chances are the bug report actually contains private information. Either way, Xfce bugs like that fall on the Xubuntu team.
 Ubuntu Studio doesn't maintain a DE.
 Yeah. I reported the only 1 bug i found under xfce4-panel
 Great. My studio isn't booting. it had an issue removing packages but then it said installation finished
 Fan is going though.
 Okay nevermind, I got it. So much EFI junk in the way xD
 oh
 ubuntustudio-desktop-core is a minimal terminal
 well then
 and because of this i have no internet
 I'll call it a success.
 ERR:FailedSuccessfully
 haha (re @Eickmeyer: ERR:FailedSuccessfully)
 well no post-installation then
 And there is no task for other partitioning, its just install on entire disk
 oink
 And this was only bug I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-panel/+bug/1870639
 Annoying thing with QA is that even when I list the bug number, it still says its bug #1, majority market share
 Ha! Yeah, that bug was closed.
 wait-i think I have it
 Oh, because I listed the NUMBER of bugs
 Not the BUG NUMBER as in a tihng.
 So much fails
 @Eickmeyer Would you like to spin the wheel?https://wheeldecide.com/index.php?c1=Ubuntu&c2=Kubuntu&c3=Lubuntu&c4=Ubuntu+Budgie&c5=Ubuntu+Cinnamon+Remix&c6=Ubuntu+Kylin&c7=Ubuntu+MATE&c8=Ubuntu+Studio&c9=Xubuntu&t=Ubuntu+Product+Testing+Choices&time=5
 Sadly, I won't have time today.
 Okay :D
 andd i got kylin
 The most ignored flavor.
 great
 They've been having theme issues, so I hope they've been doing better
 Ooh Kylins new boot

 OMG! Ubuntu! would disagree (re @ItzSwirlz: The most ignored flavor.)
 well
 its for chinese people, and it's pretty underrated IMO.
 The desktop is elegant, based off of a desktop in English that we all contribute to, and is glossy and amazing
 As a matter of fact, I just found a bug.
 What is chinese language pack package named?
 language-pack-ca?
 Bug #1870834
 Bug #1870934 (edited)
 And its 158 heat, wow
 nvm-8 heat. my bad
 #1870936
 Bug #1870936 (edited)
 Would settings not starting up count as a critical?
 Oh god
 Closing Bug #1870936
 Okay-instead I edited it that it should be a default
 Alright, this is painful enough. I'm going to the installer.
 Let me know if you guys can figure out the language package for chinese
[15:36] <Eickmeyer> handsome_feng: ^
 is that the name?
 No, that's the lead for Kylin.
 Oh ok
 And uhm,
 what is the display manager kylin uses?
 Because what is THIS?

 I've been seeing similar sizing issues with the Mac, due to high 2.5K pix resolution
 lightdm or sddm. Not sure. I know the DE is UKUI which is based on MATE.
 Yes, it appears to segfault soon after startup (re @ItzSwirlz: Would settings not starting up count as a critical?)
 Kylin uses 821 MB ram, great job
 They use lightdm.
 sudo apt purge lightdm: will remove that and ubuntukylin-desktop*
 sddm not installed
 Then it's lightdm. Same as all the others except Kubuntu and Ubuntu proper.
 Wait, but one thing
 It's not a lightdm issue, it's the configuration that's the problem
 It that the login screen, or a screenlocker?
[15:43] <xubuntu-tester65> Hi, Have you succeed to install VirtualBox addition on Xubuntu 20.04
 Login screen
 I have a feeling it's one of these packs:
 ubuntukylin-desktop
 I have a feeling it's one of these packs:
 ubuntukylin-desktop
 ubuntukylin-default-settings (edited)
 I have a feeling it's one of these packs:
 ubuntukylin-desktop
 ubuntukylin-default-settings
 ubuntukylin-theme (edited)
 I have a feeling it's one of these packs:
 ubuntukylin-desktop
 ubuntukylin-default-settings
 ubuntukylin-theme
 ukui-themes
 ukui-desktop-environment (edited)
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> vboxadd-setup.log
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> Building the main Guest Additions module for kernel 5.4.0-21-generic.Error building the module.  Build output follows.make V=1 CONFIG_MODULE_SIG= -C /lib/modules/5.4.0-21-generic/build M=/tmp/vbox.0 SRCROOT=/tmp/vbox.0 -j1 modulestest -e include/generated/autoconf.h -a -e include/config/auto.conf || (		\echo >&2;							\echo >&2 "  ERROR: Kernel
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> configuration is invalid.";		\echo >&2 "         include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.";\echo >&2 "         Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it.";	\echo >&2 ;							\/bin/false)make -f ./scripts/Makefile.build obj=/tmp/vbox.0 \single-build= \need-builtin=1 need-modorder=1  gcc
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -Wp,-MD,/tmp/vbox.0/.VBoxGuest-linux.o.d  -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/9/include  -I./arch/x86/include -I./arch/x86/include/generated  -I./include -I./arch/x86/include/uapi -I./arch/x86/include/generated/uapi -I./include/uapi -I./include/generated/uapi -include ./include/linux/kconfig.h -Iubuntu/include  -include
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> ./include/linux/compiler_types.h -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Werror=strict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fshort-wchar -fno-PIE -Werror=implicit-function-declaration -Werror=implicit-int -Wno-format-security -std=gnu89 -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow -mno-avx -m64 -falign-jumps=1 -falign-loops=1 -mno-80387
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -mno-fp-ret-in-387 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3 -mskip-rax-setup -mtune=generic -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -DCONFIG_X86_X32_ABI -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SSSE3=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX2=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX512=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SHA1_NI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SHA256_NI=1 -Wno-sign-compare
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mindirect-branch=thunk-extern -mindirect-branch-register -fno-jump-tables -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -Wno-frame-address -Wno-format-truncation -Wno-format-overflow -Wno-address-of-packed-member -O2 --param=allow-store-data-races=0 -Wframe-larger-than=1024 -fstack-protector-strong -Wno-unused-but-set-variable
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -Wimplicit-fallthrough -Wno-unused-const-variable -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-var-tracking-assignments -pg -mrecord-mcount -mfentry -DCC_USING_FENTRY -flive-patching=inline-clone -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wvla -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-stringop-truncation -fno-strict-overflow -fno-merge-all-constants -fmerge-constants
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -fno-stack-check -fconserve-stack -Werror=date-time -Werror=incompatible-pointer-types -Werror=designated-init -fmacro-prefix-map=./= -fcf-protection=none -Wno-packed-not-aligned -Wno-declaration-after-statement -include /tmp/vbox.0/include/VBox/VBoxGuestMangling.h -fno-pie -I./include -I/tmp/vbox.0/ -I/tmp/vbox.0/include -I/tmp/vbox.0/r0drv/linux
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -I/tmp/vbox.0/vboxguest/ -I/tmp/vbox.0/vboxguest/include -I/tmp/vbox.0/vboxguest/r0drv/linux -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -DVBOX -DRT_OS_LINUX -DIN_RING0 -DIN_RT_R0 -DIN_GUEST -DIN_GUEST_R0 -DIN_MODULE -DRT_WITH_VBOX -DVBGL_VBOXGUEST -DVBOX_WITH_HGCM -DRT_ARCH_AMD64 -DVBOX_WITH_64_BITS_GUESTS  -DMODULE  -DKBUILD_BASENAME='"VBoxGuest_linux"'
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -DKBUILD_MODNAME='"vboxguest"' -c -o /tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuest-linux.o /tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuest-linux.c  gcc -Wp,-MD,/tmp/vbox.0/.VBoxGuest.o.d  -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/9/include  -I./arch/x86/include -I./arch/x86/include/generated  -I./include -I./arch/x86/include/uapi -I./arch/x86/include/generated/uapi -I./include/uapi
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -I./include/generated/uapi -include ./include/linux/kconfig.h -Iubuntu/include  -include ./include/linux/compiler_types.h -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Werror=strict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fshort-wchar -fno-PIE -Werror=implicit-function-declaration -Werror=implicit-int -Wno-format-security -std=gnu89 -mno-sse
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow -mno-avx -m64 -falign-jumps=1 -falign-loops=1 -mno-80387 -mno-fp-ret-in-387 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3 -mskip-rax-setup -mtune=generic -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -DCONFIG_X86_X32_ABI -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SSSE3=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX=1 -DCONFIG_AS_AVX2=1
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -DCONFIG_AS_AVX512=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SHA1_NI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_SHA256_NI=1 -Wno-sign-compare -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mindirect-branch=thunk-extern -mindirect-branch-register -fno-jump-tables -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -Wno-frame-address -Wno-format-truncation -Wno-format-overflow -Wno-address-of-packed-member -O2
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> --param=allow-store-data-races=0 -Wframe-larger-than=1024 -fstack-protector-strong -Wno-unused-but-set-variable -Wimplicit-fallthrough -Wno-unused-const-variable -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-var-tracking-assignments -pg -mrecord-mcount -mfentry -DCC_USING_FENTRY -flive-patching=inline-clone -Wdeclaration-after-statement
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -Wvla -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-stringop-truncation -fno-strict-overflow -fno-merge-all-constants -fmerge-constants -fno-stack-check -fconserve-stack -Werror=date-time -Werror=incompatible-pointer-types -Werror=designated-init -fmacro-prefix-map=./= -fcf-protection=none -Wno-packed-not-aligned -Wno-declaration-after-statement -include
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> /tmp/vbox.0/include/VBox/VBoxGuestMangling.h -fno-pie -I./include -I/tmp/vbox.0/ -I/tmp/vbox.0/include -I/tmp/vbox.0/r0drv/linux -I/tmp/vbox.0/vboxguest/ -I/tmp/vbox.0/vboxguest/include -I/tmp/vbox.0/vboxguest/r0drv/linux -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -DVBOX -DRT_OS_LINUX -DIN_RING0 -DIN_RT_R0 -DIN_GUEST -DIN_GUEST_R0 -DIN_MODULE -DRT_WITH_VBOX
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> -DVBGL_VBOXGUEST -DVBOX_WITH_HGCM -DRT_ARCH_AMD64 -DVBOX_WITH_64_BITS_GUESTS  -DMODULE  -DKBUILD_BASENAME='"VBoxGuest"' -DKBUILD_MODNAME='"vboxguest"' -c -o /tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuest.o /tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuest.c/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuest.c: In function ‘vgdrvCheckIfVmmReqIsAllowed’:/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuest.c:2060:16: warning: this statement may fall through
[15:44] <xubuntu-tester65> [-Wimplicit-fallthrough=] 2060 |             if (pSession->fUserSession)      |                ^/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuest.c:2062:9: note: here 2062 |         case kLevel_AllUsers:      |         ^~~~  gcc -Wp,-MD,/tmp/vbox.0/.VBoxGuestR0LibGenericRequest.o.d  -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/9/include  -I./arch/x86/include
 oh boy, thats a lot
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> ^~~~~~~~~~~/tmp/vbox.0/include/iprt/cdefs.h:1123:33: note: in expansion of macro ‘RT_FALL_THROUGH’ 1123 | #define RT_FALL_THRU()          RT_FALL_THROUGH()      |                                 ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:545:17: note: in expansion of macro ‘RT_FALL_THRU’  545 |                 RT_FALL_THRU();
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> |                 ^~~~~~~~~~~~In file included from /tmp/vbox.0/include/iprt/types.h:29,                 from /tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibInternal.h:33,                 from /tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:33:/tmp/vbox.0/include/iprt/cdefs.h:1116:60: error: expected identifier or ‘(’ before ‘)’ token 1116 | # define RT_FALL_THROUGH()
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> __attribute__((fallthrough))      |                                                            ^/tmp/vbox.0/include/iprt/cdefs.h:1123:33: note: in expansion of macro ‘RT_FALL_THROUGH’ 1123 | #define RT_FALL_THRU()          RT_FALL_THROUGH()      |                                 ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:545:17:
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> note: in expansion of macro ‘RT_FALL_THRU’  545 |                 RT_FALL_THRU();      |                 ^~~~~~~~~~~~In file included from ././include/linux/compiler_types.h:59,                 from <command-line>:/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c: In function
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> ‘vbglR0HGCMInternalCopyBackResult’:./include/linux/compiler_attributes.h:200:41: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘__attribute__’  200 | # define fallthrough                    __attribute__((__fallthrough__))      |                                         ^~~~~~~~~~~~~/tmp/vbox.0/include/iprt/cdefs.h:1116:48: note: in expansion of macro
 you're gonna crash the bot
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> ‘fallthrough’ 1116 | # define RT_FALL_THROUGH()      __attribute__((fallthrough))      |                                                ^~~~~~~~~~~/tmp/vbox.0/include/iprt/cdefs.h:1123:33: note: in expansion of macro ‘RT_FALL_THROUGH’ 1123 | #define RT_FALL_THRU()          RT_FALL_THROUGH()      |
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:812:17: note: in expansion of macro ‘RT_FALL_THRU’  812 |                 RT_FALL_THRU();      |                 ^~~~~~~~~~~~In file included from /tmp/vbox.0/include/iprt/types.h:29,                 from /tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibInternal.h:33,                 from
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> /tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:33:/tmp/vbox.0/include/iprt/cdefs.h:1116:60: error: expected identifier or ‘(’ before ‘)’ token 1116 | # define RT_FALL_THROUGH()      __attribute__((fallthrough))      |                                                            ^/tmp/vbox.0/include/iprt/cdefs.h:1123:33: note: in expansion of macro
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> ‘RT_FALL_THROUGH’ 1123 | #define RT_FALL_THRU()          RT_FALL_THROUGH()      |                                 ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:812:17: note: in expansion of macro ‘RT_FALL_THRU’  812 |                 RT_FALL_THRU();      |                 ^~~~~~~~~~~~/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c: In
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> function ‘vbglR0HGCMInternalPreprocessCall’:/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:259:20: warning: this statement may fall through [-Wimplicit-fallthrough=]  259 |                 if (!VBGLR0_CAN_USE_PHYS_PAGE_LIST(/*a_fLocked =*/ true))      |                    ^/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:273:13: note: here  273 |
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> case VMMDevHGCMParmType_LinAddr_In:      |             ^~~~/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c: In function ‘vbglR0HGCMInternalInitCall’:/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:539:20: warning: this statement may fall through [-Wimplicit-fallthrough=]  539 |                 if (!VBGLR0_CAN_USE_PHYS_PAGE_LIST(/*a_fLocked =*/ true))      |
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> ^/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:547:13: note: here  547 |             case VMMDevHGCMParmType_LinAddr_In:      |             ^~~~/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c: In function ‘vbglR0HGCMInternalCopyBackResult’:/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:807:20: warning: this statement may fall through [-Wimplicit-fallthrough=]
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> 807 |                 if (!VBGLR0_CAN_USE_PHYS_PAGE_LIST(/*a_fLocked =*/ true))      |                    ^/tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.c:814:13: note: here  814 |             case VMMDevHGCMParmType_LinAddr_Out:      |             ^~~~make[2]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:275: /tmp/vbox.0/VBoxGuestR0LibHGCMInternal.o] Error 1make[1]: ***
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> [Makefile:1719: /tmp/vbox.0] Error 2make: *** [/tmp/vbox.0/Makefile.include.footer:100: vboxguest] Error 2
[15:45] <xubuntu-tester65> sorry :/
[15:45] <Eickmeyer> !paste | xubuntu-tester65
 yikes
 oh dear
 Oof
 @ItzSwirlz the kylin lightdm config seems to be in the package ukui-greeter
[15:46] <xubuntu-tester65> vboxadd-setup.log : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/45mM4f2HYh/
 that'll do it, ill report it under there
 wait-ukui-greeter is a package
 well not a package, a app
 well not a package, an app (edited)
 i launched it in terminal andit failed to conect to daemon
[15:47] <Eickmeyer> xubuntu-tester65: Just FYI, I haven't had that problem under Ubuntu Studio which uses the same DE. So, no, sounds like it might be something on your end.
 Okay so I'll bug that and the greeter
[15:47] <xubuntu-tester65> Eickmeyer which version of virtalbox you have ?
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> Latest: 6.1.4
[15:48] <xubuntu-tester65> Eickmeyer , okey i have 5.2.34 (version of the actual 16.04 repository)
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> xubuntu-tester65: Yeah, that's not going to work for the newer kernel.
[15:48] <xubuntu-tester65> Eickmeyer *18.04
[15:49] <Eickmeyer> I'd suggest getting virtualbox from virtualbox.org.
[15:49] <xubuntu-tester65> Eickmeyer i go to test this thx
[15:50] <xubuntu-tester65> Eickmeyer hope no problem to upgrade from 5 to 6 because i have many vms
 Bug #1870940
[15:51] <RikMills> 5.2.36 has support for kernel 5.4
[15:51] <RikMills> available on vbox site
 it's a duplidoge
[15:52] <RikMills> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-5.2#v38
[15:53] <RikMills> xubuntu-tester65: ^^ if you would prefer to stay on 5.x
[15:53] <xubuntu-tester65> RikMills pity 5.2.36 not yet in 18.04 repository
[15:54] <RikMills> there is a .deb on the vbox site
[15:55] <xubuntu-tester65> RikMills yes but not auto update :/
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> xubuntu-tester65: Typically the repo is frozen after releases. Backports of packages are very, very unlikely.
 Bug #1870943
[15:59] <RikMills> xubuntu-tester65 Eickmeyer: 5.2.34 is actually from bionic updates. vbox does get some, but not as fast as might always keep up with new kernels
[15:59] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Ah.
[15:59] <RikMills> new kernels from dev release, that is
[16:00] <RikMills> obviously not getting it updated for the current hwe kernel would be bad
[16:02] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Yes. I think the problem there was the version in the repos will have errors when compiling the guest addition modules against the kernel in 20.04.
[16:02] <RikMills> yep
[16:02] <RikMills> 5.2.36 fixed that from the changelog. current on vbox site is 5.2.38
 Bug #1870944
 and those are the 3 ukui-greeter bugs
[16:04] <RikMills> this is why I tend to use the vbox testing builds (i.e. latest stable code)
[16:06] <Eickmeyer> Here's my question: Why not latest (6.1.4)?
[16:10] <vboxbug> resolved with last version 6.1.4
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> vboxbug: Glad to hear it.
 Oh dear

 That ain’t good
 Chinese on english language and undefined
 @ItzSwirlz To be fair, Kylin is not developed for non-Chinese speakers.
 I know. That's why it's a little difficult to test
 I'm still going to report as bug-but not anything major
 But the undefined's are what I think is a problem
[16:18] <vboxbug> lol other problem after a few minutes vbox guest addition 6.1.4 crashed . I have clic to send the problem
[16:19] <vboxbug> Very bad luck for me the problem can't be send because "package doesn't seem installed"
[16:21] <vboxbug> roll back for me sorry
 Yeah! David pulled that one off somehow!!!! We just got it. (re @philipz: @bashfulrobot congrats on getting the domain ubuntubudgie.com back from squatters)
 ugh.
 i feel terrible :(:
 #1870934 is major-a bunch of other tasks will be failed.  Settings won't start (edited)
 I feel like a bully for sending all these issues, but I hope at least they can get fixed and development can continue, so it will be a great release.:

 Let me know if you guys can confirm #1870934
 Status I believe should be confirmed, and IMO, a lot of tasks failed because of this, so I wish the importance was set to high/critical.
 @ItzSwirlz You marked bug 1870639 for Ubuntu Studio? Why?
 This was in live session
 As with the Mac, don't worry-Lubuntu had this problem too.
 The monitor is 2880x1800. So it was really small.
 Doesn't apply. Ubuntu Studio doesn't use LXQt.
 I resized it and although the start button, and most of the icons changed, some of the applets didn't change size, and the text didn't change size either
 If you want me too, I'll reinstall it and show you
 And I meant, XFCE has the same issue as LXQT had
 You have to use a new bug then against xfce4-panel. You can't use it for a package that's not installed.
 I thought i-
 wait
 wth
 my bad-one second
 i must've typed
 i must've typed wrong issue (edited)
 I removed that bug number from your report (super admin powers are super).
 Ah here it is
 Thanks
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1870927
 Put this
 That's the correct one
 Probably since cookies stored the number and I hit it by accident.
 That's the one you want. Thanks for telling me
 Actually, the icons DO resize, it's just they do it in steps since the panel doesn't use .svg icons.
 You have to go MUCH bigger or MUCH smaller to get the resize.
 So, sorry, it's not a bug. It's a limitation of xfce.
 That method is actually beneficial overall in regards to performance vs quality
 Oh, lol
 The increments could potentially be increased/improved, but the method itself is sound :D
 Good to know-I feel just as embarrased as you probably feel, and I'm prob just as mad as you. Thanks again (re @Eickmeyer: So, sorry, it's not a bug. It's a limitation of xfce.)
 I'm not mad.
 @ItzSwirlz I'm actually glad you're reporting against packages and not the flavor as a whole, which is what a lot of people do/did in the past. I had to triage literally hundreds of bugs from the 11+ years prior to my joining/leading Ubuntu Studio that were filed against the flavor directly and just left to sit.
 Oh ok.
 I just saw the exclamation marks and capitals, and since I filed it under another DE package, I thought that'd be annoying
 No exclamation marks. Capitals were for emphasis. :)
 I tend to appear angry when it's really just passion. :)
 Haha
 👍 (re @Eickmeyer: I tend to appear angry when it's really just passion. :))
 Well anyways I will be testing MATe later
 Thank you (re @philipz: welcome @Dreamingwolf @hey_aris)
 HI,  kubuntu  20.04    XRDP   ulimit: max locked memory    unlimited   NO WORK.
 NO  XRDP  is work
 Ubuntu  20.04   work  all
 Ubuntu MATe time
 Ubuntu MATE time (edited)
 Was there a new tool in Ubuntu MATE for color schemes?
 yes-here https://twitter.com/franksmcb1/status/1246304744349425666
 where is this in welcome?
 how  to change login
 page theme
 suggest me telegram page for ubuntu noobs
 Does anyone know why upgrade Testcase documentation recommends update-manager which requires a fairly "hefty" package install as opposed to using do-release-upgrade -d ?
 update-manager looks for any new updates/upgrades (re @DarinMiller: Does anyone know why upgrade Testcase documentation recommends update-manager which requires a fairly "hefty" package install as opposed to using do-release-upgrade -d ?)
 it tests internet and apt
 It should also when 20.04 comes out show there's a new release available
 do-release-upgrade -d upgrades you to the development branch (20.04)
 The Product (Upgrade) for the daily release specifies: "Run update-manager -d -c" from a terminal" which is the dev. branch yes.  So, essentially the goal of the exercise is to test update-manager as well as the upgrade process?
[19:01] <ItzSwirlz> Test message here
 Perfect
 What clients do you guys like to use for IRC?
 Telegram (re @ItzSwirlz: What clients do you guys like to use for IRC?)
 sorry-I meant for Freenode.
 sorry-I meant for Freenode IRC. (edited)
 When I was using IRC, Polari was my go-to (re @ItzSwirlz: What clients do you guys like to use for IRC?)
 Thanks
[19:08] <jpeisach> This is definitely nice
 @ItzSwirlz Which client was that? Polari?
 Yes
 It is definitely nice, but doesn't have any persistence unless you use ZNC.
 hexchat (re @ItzSwirlz: What clients do you guys like to use for IRC?)
 😂 (re @DarinMiller: Telegram)
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/fvfs7z/ubuntu_2004_is_good_but/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/fvfs7z/ubuntu_2004_is_good_but/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
 Anything to look out for in Xubuntu?
 The Upgrades test for i386 are no longer possible and thus should be removed from the test list, yes ? (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds)
 But some people upgrade from i386 to amd64 so
 Until 18.04 support is over, it's probably going to stay there.
 I use Matrix and Quassel.
 too lazy to mess with riot, i started it but I didn't really end up using it much. felt like another applidogion to worry about (re @Eickmeyer: I use Matrix and Quassel.)
 I don't need irc, nor does ubuntu cinnamon probably need one.
 The reason Studio has it is because 1) 3rd oldest flavor, and 2) one of my devs refuses to go to anything else.
[19:26] <RikMills> I sometime use matrix
[19:26] <RikMills-M> ^ indeed
 We still see a significant number of people on the Lubuntu IRC channels.
 If you want to become a flavour, you'll need to get on it (re @ItzSwirlz: I don't need irc, nor does ubuntu cinnamon probably need one.)
 I use quassel with a separate core that is always running.
 Yeah. It seems everyone uses IRC (re @RikMills: If you want to become a flavour, you'll need to get on it)
 We have the RIOT thing, but i'm not sure if it will help but I'll see
 I'll start it up and see
 yeah everyone ended up leaving, haha
 nothing much happened but its fine
 right now: its #ubuntucinnamon:matrix.org
 You can easily start the #ubuntu-cinnamon IRC room and bridge it to the Matrix room. It's really simple. (re @ItzSwirlz: right now: its #ubuntucinnamon:matrix.org)
 How exactly? There a tutorial on Ubuntu wiki?
 No. It's Matrix. You'd probably want to use Riot to do it.
 It's something matrix.org has built-in.
 Unless you mean to start the IRC room. You could ask someone in #ubuntu-irc to give you a hand on that.
 Well if we could connect it to the free KDE
 I’ll see
 Any communities I can create will always have the :matrix.org unless I upgrade

 I just ran the first use case test.  I got a passing result.  However, when I click the "submit" link for passing, nothing happens.  Is there something else that I should do to register my results?
 It should work. Is JavaScript enabled in your browser? Enable all scripts and cookies (re @Duke: I just ran the first use case test.  I got a passing result.  However, when I click the "submit" link for passing, nothing happens.  Is there something else that I should do to register my results?)
 I'll check.  I got the same results with Firefox and Chrome; however, I'm thinking that JavaScript is not enabled, at least in Firefox.  Thanks Josh. (re @ItzSwirlz: It should work. Is JavaScript enabled in your browser? Enable all scripts and cookies)
 No problem.
 Has anyone here with an AMD chipset and SATA mode set to RAID had trouble seeing drives? We may have an issue with the AMD driver. Note we are not talking about RAIDed drives, just seeing a single drive when the BIOS is set to RAID on an X370 Taichi board.
[21:44] <autcrock> Hi there.  Booting off a USB stick loaded with the US 20.04 ISO on a XPS 15 9550 (i7-6700HQ CPUi7-6700HQ, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M and Intel HD530 Graphics)
[21:45] <autcrock> The initial boot menu appears, but selecting any including safe graphics options, the scrreen goes blank and nothing further appears.
[21:46] <autcrock> I installed KUbuntu 18.04 on the machine by the same means, with no problems.
[21:47] <autcrock> US 19.10 has the same blank screen issue.  Any ideas? (I'm ten hours ahead of GMT here.)
 if you add nomodeset to the grub boot, does your system boot?  I have a hybrid 960m laptop that boots great with current ISO but older ISO's required nomodeset.
[21:51] <autcrock> The safe boot option has nomodeset by default.
 oh, hmmm.... try removing the maybe-ubiquity option as that also has caused issues....
[21:55] <autcrock> I'll give that a go.  I'll be offline for a while due to other commitments - thanks.
 same here.. be back in a couple hours...


[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Farm Animals Day! :-D
[12:36] <dobey> Animal Farm Day? Sounds Orwellian.


[03:25] <belkinsa> balloons, the spam?
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[11:33] <dholbach> davidcalle, fantastic work!
[12:31] <dholbach> dpm, I updated the /funding page on community.u.c with the "please let us know beforehand" changes we talked about
[12:35] <dpm> great, thanks!
[12:39] <davidcalle> dholbach: static js/css files are still unreachable though, looking
[12:40] <dholbach> hum...
[12:45] <dholbach> I might be barking up the wrong tree, but firefox says in the case of prod: developer.u.c/assets/.../styles.css could not be loaded
[12:45] <dholbach> for staging it's assets.u.c/.../styles.css
[12:45] <dholbach> davidcalle, ^ could this be the problem?
[12:48] <davidcalle> dholbach: chrome tells me 401 (Unauthorized) for things like https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_static/cms/js/modules/cms.structureboard.js (remove ".staging" and it works)
[12:48] <dholbach> ok
[12:49] <dholbach> davidcalle,
[12:49] <dholbach> daniel@daydream:~/dev/sites/developer-ubuntu-com$ find . -iname '*structure*'
[12:49] <dholbach> daniel@daydream:~/dev/sites/developer-ubuntu-com$
[12:50] <dholbach> sorry, might be because I hadn't had the env set up /o\
[12:50] <dholbach> I'll be back in 10 minutes when it's set up ;-)
[12:51] <dholbach> maybe let's move to #u-website?
[12:51] <davidcalle> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pCjd2Gv2/
[12:51] <davidcalle> dholbach: ^
[14:37] <mhall119> pleia2: thanks :)
[17:15] <davidcalle> Have a nice eod and see you tomorrow o/
[17:17] <dpm> have a nice evening davidcalle!
[17:22] <dholbach> all right my friends I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:22] <dholbach> you too


[15:51] <genii-around> I sure hope we don't hit that 50C after humidity, some of the weather people are saying it's possible. Bleh


[17:11] <drew> I am trying to build the jammy kernel on gentoo. It looks like the recipe that is used when I do `fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic` pulls my .config file to start, and the build eventually failes when debian/rules.d/4-checks.mk doesn't find some options
[17:12] <drew> Is it possible to pull a .config from ubuntu upstream or to use a default .config instead of my current .config?
[18:56] <Esmil> drew: i found this in my open tabs, it might be helpful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[18:58] <joseogando> Quick tip about the link, if using git, just make sure to clone the unsigned repo too.
[19:27] <drew> Esmil: that is the link I am following, but I am running into the .config issue
[19:28] <drew> I decided to spin up an ubuntu docker image to build instead


[05:46] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:52] <inetpro> I hear that Kilos at least has a bed this morning
[05:56] <superfly> Glad to hear that.
[05:56] <superfly> Night inetpro.
[05:59] <inetpro> good night superfly
[05:59] <inetpro> oh and hi kmf
[06:52] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[06:52] <theblazehen> Morning all
[06:56] <Cryterion> mornings
[07:08] <paddatrapper> morning
[07:19] <chesedo> mornin
[07:23] <nsnzero> morning all
[07:30] <paddatrapper> hey Kilos, how goes it?
[07:31] <Kilos> hi all. im ok. battle with tiny keyboard..will keep pro informed
[07:31] <Kilos> you all keep well
[07:36] <nsnzero> get well soon kilos
[08:00] <andrewlsd> \0  Hi all.
[13:50] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Langjan message from Kilos: ...doc forgot to fill in admittance form to 9.3 then tells me I'm not having an attack now so I can go home.
[13:50] <Maaz> inetpro: Got it, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[13:50] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Langjan message from Kilos: I refused and got him to read the report from monash health now ibooked into 9.3 again when there is an empty bed
[13:50] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[13:50] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Langjan message from Kilos: Sigh. Such incompetence.
[13:50] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[13:59] <thatgraemeguy> Maaz: tell Langjan please tell inetpro to tell Kilos I say "all the best Oom..." :-)
[13:59] <Maaz> thatgraemeguy: Got it, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[14:00] <thatgraemeguy> o:-)
[14:00] <inetpro> yikes!
[14:10] <inetpro> miles saying, "Lol. Ty so much. I wish I had my lappy here. I miss you guys. All the best to everyone"
[14:11] <inetpro> thatgraemeguy: the LOL ^^ is meant for you
[14:13] <thatgraemeguy> :D
[14:14] <thatgraemeguy> nobody close that can organise to bring the man his laptop..... shame :-o
[14:17] <inetpro> or maybe he just needs a different IRC client on his phone
[14:17] <thatgraemeguy> what phone does he have
[14:17] <inetpro> he used the webchat to come online this morning
[14:18] <inetpro> some HUWEI but not sure what model...
[14:18] <thatgraemeguy> probably an android
[14:18] <inetpro> will find out later... "Wbb. Moving wards"
[14:18] <thatgraemeguy> I've used AndroIRC before, not sure how it stacks up against any competition but I found it useable enough
[14:24] <thatgraemeguy> bbl
[14:28] <jerit> inetpro: any news on Kilos?
[14:29] <jerit> thatgraemeguy: I'm using a client called IrcSays by JakeSays
[14:29] <jerit> it's pretty amazing to be honest
[14:29] <jerit> simple, but stable
[14:34] <andrewlsd> I use Quassel on Android thatgraemeguy inetpro, I have a quassel server that Kilos could connect to for less join/quit
[14:36] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[14:36]  * pavlushka missing Kilos
[14:38]  * pavlushka thinks may be he has gone under scissors and knife
[14:57] <jerit> http://i.imgur.com/3RTRvAK.jpg
[16:45] <superfly> Morning all
[17:24] <chesedo> morning superfly
[17:25] <chesedo> inetpro: it sounds like you are there with our beloved oom Kilos?
[17:39] <smile> hi :p
[19:05] <nsnzero> evening guys - any know how to clone a sub directory from github ?
[19:08] <smile> nsnzero: yeah :p
[19:08] <smile> give me a minute
[19:09] <smile> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/600079/how-do-i-clone-a-subdirectory-only-of-a-git-repository
[19:09] <smile> you might want to do a whole clone though, if the repo isn't gigantic
[19:11] <nsnzero> is that 1 using svn ? already read it smile - i want to clone a sub directory of what appears to be a gigabyte repo
[19:11] <smile> nsnzero: git :p
[19:11] <smile> hmm
[19:12] <smile> the question is svn, the first answer is just a theoretical answer, the second answer provides the solution
[19:12] <nsnzero> svn export <repo>/trunk/<folder>
[19:12] <smile> nsnzero: I would still download the whole repo if your capacity/internet cap allows :)
[19:13] <smile> nsnzero: that's not the "1st" answer :p
[19:13] <smile> try git archive --remote=<repo_url> <branch> <path> | tar xvf -
[19:13] <smile> ;)
[19:13] <nsnzero> but its the easiest ...
[19:13] <smile> I hope you don't need to commit your changes back to GitHub? :p
[19:14] <smile> can you even use svn for github? :p
[19:14] <nsnzero> nope its just a bunch of scripts for me to read through
[19:15] <smile> git archive --remote=URL master DIRECTORY | tar xvf -
[19:15] <smile> ;)
[19:15] <smile> easy! :DD
[19:20] <nsnzero> thamks smile !
[19:21] <smile> nsnzero: you're welcome :)
[19:24] <nsnzero> i get this though (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set)
[19:37] <nsnzero> i will just clone the entire repo
[19:59] <smile> bye :)


[10:20] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, Upstream replied with a recently found work around for bug 1436940 .  However, it's not the most elegant solution.  It requires booting with unofficial windows-extracted firmware images.  More info in comment #20 of bug.
[10:35] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, well that was fast.  There is now real firmware here: https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/commit/7f7e7dda33676ced293de477b03711199ffe5256  I'll update the bug report.
[11:07] <tseliot> apw: how do I find out what (upstream) kernel release linux 3.19.0-26 is based on? (I need to add a check in my kernel code for fglrx)
[11:09] <apw> tseliot, http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html
[11:21] <tseliot> apw: thansk
[11:21] <tseliot> *thanks
[11:31] <tseliot> apw: so 3.19.0-26 = 3.19.8-ckt2, but how do I use that with the KERNEL_VERSION macro?
[11:31] <apw> oh you can't
[11:31] <apw> don't be sillly converting to a number broke you
[11:32] <tseliot> apw: apparently 3.19.0-25 -> 3.19.0-26 made a symbol gpl-only
[11:32] <apw> to a ckt-N name, well and that it is in 4th
[11:32] <apw> welll you can tell -25 and -26 apart
[11:32] <tseliot> how?
[11:32] <apw> UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI
[11:33] <apw> which is defined in the same place as you get other versions from
[11:33] <apw> you want something like
[11:33] <apw> #ifdef UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI
[11:33] <apw> #define UBUNTU_VERSION KERNEL_VERSION * 100 + UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI
[11:33] <apw> #else
[11:33] <apw> #define UBUNTU_VERSION KERNEL_VERSION * 100
[11:33] <apw> #endif
[11:33] <apw> or something
[11:34] <apw> 100 isn't enough i expect
[11:36] <tseliot> I think checking the Ubuntu ABI would be enough. So, if none is available I can define the ABI as 0
[11:36] <tseliot> and check the kernel version
[11:37] <tseliot> ok, that helps
[11:37] <tseliot> thanks
[11:39] <apw> yeah
[11:39] <apw> tseliot, yeah thats why we don't provide accessors, as you have to check they exist and provide your own if no
[11:39] <apw> as you can't assume we are ubuntu, ugg
[11:39]  * tseliot nods
[16:00] <tseliot> apw: are you sure that UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI is available in the lts-vivid kernel?
[16:00] <tseliot> I'm doing this:
[16:00] <tseliot> #ifndef UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI
[16:00] <tseliot> #define UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI -1
[16:00] <tseliot> #endif
[16:00] <tseliot> #if UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI < 0
[16:01] <tseliot> and that always seems to be true
[16:02]  * tseliot clones the git repository...
[16:03] <apw> debian/rules.d/2-binary-arch.mk:        echo "#define UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI $(abinum)" >> $(hdrdir)/include/generated/utsrelease.h
[16:03] <tseliot> hmm...
[16:04] <apw> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.19.0-14-generic/include/generated/utsrelease.h:#define UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI 14
[16:05] <apw> and there it is in a 3.19 i have installed
[16:05] <tseliot> ok
[16:05] <apw> so unless it is getting lost in the lts-backport, which is pretty unlikely
[16:06] <tseliot> I can see it here. Do I have to include that header or is that already exported?
[16:07] <apw> i thouoght if you included the one with KERNEL_VERSION it was incldued
[16:07] <apw> but perhaps not
[16:08] <tseliot> that would be a  bit of a problem
[16:09] <tseliot> as custom kernels won't have utsrelease.h
[16:10] <apw> why not ?
[16:10] <apw> its a standard include
[16:11] <apw> #define UTS_RELEASE "3.19.0-14-generic"
[16:11] <apw> #define UTS_UBUNTU_RELEASE_ABI 14
[16:11] <apw> it has the UTS_RELEASE string in it
[16:11] <apw> which would be 3.19.8-ckt3 normally
[16:12] <tseliot> my fix has to go into fglrx, and I need it to build against custom kernels that may not have that header
[16:13] <tseliot> if I add an #include in the fglrx code, it won't find the header in /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include/generated/
[16:15] <tseliot> apw: oh, wait, fglrx already does that
[16:16] <tseliot> except they get it wrong
[16:16] <tseliot> as they include it only #ifndef UTS_RELEASE
[16:17] <tseliot> no they don't
[16:17] <tseliot> ok
[16:18] <tseliot> it's included in the wrong file
[16:23] <tseliot> apw: problem solved :)
[16:54] <dkessel> i want to run the trusty kernel version (3.13) on my vivid and wily installations. is there an easy way of doing that?
[16:58] <dkessel> i have the problem that power saving is properly working with the trusty kernel, but with vivid and wily's kernels, only one "performance" and "powersave" governors seem to be available. and "powersave" uses more power than in trusty, which i notice because the fan is working all the time, instead only when doing cpu-intensive tasks
[17:06] <ohsix> that could just be a matter of the fan never going off, and those governors are going to be separate from thermal policy stuff thaty may have also changed
[17:07] <ohsix> are you looking at powertop to see if more power is actually being used? (disregarding just fan being on uses more)
[17:17] <apw> dkessel, no easy way of doing that no, we do not assume compatibility in that direction
[17:19] <dkessel> okay. ok, so i did some more searching and found that disabling intel_pstate works for me, as i found in bug 1188647
[17:20] <dkessel> kernel 4.1.0-3 does not work good without disabling it
[17:22] <dkessel> do you think i should collect some more information and file a bug? (yes, i have read the channel topic....)
[17:28] <apw> dkessel, yes you should file a bug indeed if pstate_idle is breaking you on 4.1, it should be "purfect" by now
[17:28] <apw> dkessel, ubuntu-bug linux so we get appropriate h/w info
[17:34] <dkessel> ok, here's bug 1484616 . if i can provide any more info, try anything else, just tell me :)


[02:05] <imgbot> [03:05] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [04:16] <imgbot> [04:16] <imgbot> [09:32] <sil2100> jibel: hey, will you be doing those ota tests for the latest rc image as per what alex requested yesterday?
[09:53] <davmor2> sil2100: we already test ota in the regression suite what would we need to ota again for, or is this something else?
[09:54] <davmor2> sil2100: we also test ota in the sanity suite too
[09:55] <john-mcaleely> I think AK just wanted to confirm that, so we're probably ok
[10:02] <sil2100> ok then
[10:03] <sil2100> Let me find a quiet place here and launch my laptop
[10:10] <sil2100> Double-confirming - we want image number 19 from RC to the stable channel, right?
[10:10] <sil2100> (for krillin)
[10:11] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: ^
[10:12] <sil2100> Ok, anyway promoting
[10:12] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, yup
[10:12] <john-mcaleely> phew ;-)
[10:16] <sil2100> hm, it's taking its sweet time
[10:19] <sil2100> ogra_: copy-image takes an awefully long time, is that normal?
[10:19] <sil2100> ogra_: usually it's almost instant
[10:19] <ogra_> heh, usually it takes a long time ... interesting that it was quick for you the last times
[10:20] <ogra_> it re-packs the rootfs tarball for each toplevel arch once
[10:20] <sil2100> Yeah, it was done in a few seconds normally
[10:20] <ogra_> so the first armhf and the first x86 run are both slow
[10:20] <ogra_> subsequent armhf runs are fast since only the index files get updated
[10:20] <sil2100> Ok then, I'll leave it running in screen since I need to move now, I'm probably sure krillin should be copied in a few moments
[10:21] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: ^ I won't be around to announce once it's done, but it'll be done ;)
[10:21] <ogra_> can take ten mins
[10:21]  * sil2100 moves
[10:21] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, great!
[10:22]  * john-mcaleely runs u-d-f query in a loop :_)
[10:23] <john-mcaleely> looks like it's done sil2100 :-)
[10:25] <davmor2> sil2100: why do you want your laptop in space?
[11:50] <sil2100> davmor2: how come in space? ;)
[11:52] <davmor2> sil2100: you wanted to find somewhere quiet to launch your laptop :)
[11:53] <davmor2> sil2100: most people just turn them on, you apparently launch them :D
[12:00] <nerochiaro> sil2100: not sure if you are the right person to ask to, but do you know how does CI decide what packages to install before running AP tests ? specifically python packages
[12:53] <greyback> Any reason why silos do not have debug packages generated? It would help me right now
[12:55] <Mirv> greyback: the answer a couple of weeks ago was that we should have a "new, better system" in a couple of weeks. I'm not sure what the status is :)
[12:55] <cjwatson> greyback: There are some problems with doing them across the board (which will hopefully be lifted soon, it's just that there's been quite an impressive dependency chain within Launchpad to get there including a complete librarian data migration), but I can retrieve them for you for a single silo as long as it was built reasonably recently
[12:55] <Mirv> oh, there is it, the status
[12:55] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-lt/+bug/1420185
[12:55] <Mirv> sounds complex, but nice
[12:56] <cjwatson> I think it's still reasonably only "weeks" since I said that :)
[12:56] <greyback> cjwatson: ok am glad they're on the way at least. I'd very much appreciate mir debug packages from silo0
[12:56] <cjwatson> greyback: OK, give me a few minutes to track them down.
[12:57] <cjwatson> greyback: Just mir, not the other packages?
[12:57] <greyback> cjwatson: well if you're copying... :)
[12:58] <cjwatson> greyback: This is fairly time-consuming per-package, so would prefer to know what you actually need
[12:58] <cjwatson> greyback: Argh, I think they may have been GCed already, sorry
[12:59] <greyback> cjwatson: ah ok, no worries
[12:59] <greyback> sbuild won't take too long
[12:59] <greyback> thanks anyway
[12:59] <cjwatson> We can reasonably reliably get them as long as the build was less than two or maybe three days ago.
[13:00] <cjwatson> But the builders don't keep them around forever, and the ghastly hack that is ddebs.ubuntu.com doesn't keep them for PPAs either ...
[13:02] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  may I ask for an RTM silo to land the UITK branch?
[13:04] <Mirv> bzoltan_: looking
[13:06] <Mirv> bzoltan_: I can assign a silo, if you're sure the fix is still wanted in before vivid switch?
[13:07] <Mirv> bzoltan_: you've got the Bond silo. btw https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/textHandlerCleanUpRTM/+merge/247388 links to four bugs, of which only one has canonical system image target
[13:16] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  I expect it to land by tomorrow or latest on Friday. Depends onthe load of QA
[13:39] <Mirv> bzoltan_: so just to make sure you didn't miss, you got the ^ 007 rtm silo
[13:55] <nerochiaro> does anyone know in which way CI decides what packages to install before running AP tests ? I have a problem with some packages being not isntalled despite being specified in debia/control and in manifest.json
[13:56] <nerochiaro> fginther: Mirv: cjwatson: sil2100: ^^^ ? (or maybe point me to the right person I can ask to. thanks)
[13:56] <sil2100> nerochiaro: hey!
[13:57] <sil2100> nerochiaro: sorry, I was AFK
[13:57] <nerochiaro> sil2100: hi
[13:57] <nerochiaro> sil2100: np
[13:57] <nerochiaro> i had forgotten too for a while :)
[13:57] <sil2100> nerochiaro: you mean for a click package, right?
[13:57] <nerochiaro> sil2100: yes, for camera app
[13:57] <nerochiaro> sil2100: specifically looking at this issue: http://rtm-dashboard.ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch_stable/krillin/243:20150224:20150216-fe747ac/349/camera_app/154770/
[13:58] <sil2100> nerochiaro: not sure about CI, since you would have to ask them to get more detailed info, but I think phablet-test-click-setup is only fetching selected bzr branch of the click package and install ubuntu-ui-toolkit and unity8 AP tests
[13:58] <sil2100> nerochiaro: plars would know more about smoketesting though
[13:58] <nerochiaro> sil2100: ok thanks, let's see if he can help them
[13:58] <nerochiaro> then
[13:58] <plars> nerochiaro: just waking up, what's going on?
[13:59] <cjwatson> nerochiaro: I'm afraid I have no idea about the CI bits
[13:59] <nerochiaro> plars: was just wondering how can i make sure to tell AP to install the packages that my tests need
[13:59] <plars> nerochiaro: if this is about camera, I know veebers was looking at it yesterday... ah ok
[13:59] <nerochiaro> plars: different issue
[13:59] <plars> nerochiaro: which test, and which dependencies does it need?
[14:00] <nerochiaro> http://rtm-dashboard.ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch_stable/krillin/243:20150224:20150216-fe747ac/349/camera_app/154770/
[14:00] <nerochiaro> plars: it does need python3-wand
[14:00] <nerochiaro> plars: it is the test linked above
[14:01] <plars> nerochiaro: I'll stick it on our vanguard queue, if nobody else gets to it then I'll be able to do it in just a bit, does that work for you?
[14:02] <nerochiaro> plars: just to be sure i understand: it is something you guys need to do, it is not something we can specify somewhere in the package manifest, right ?
[14:02] <nerochiaro> plars: because in the package.json we have this, and i was wondering what it is for then:
[14:02] <nerochiaro>     "x-test": {
[14:02] <nerochiaro>         "autopilot": {
[14:02] <nerochiaro>             "autopilot_module": "@AUTOPILOT_DIR@",
[14:02] <nerochiaro>             "depends": [
[14:02] <nerochiaro>                 "python3-wand",
[14:02] <nerochiaro>                 "python3-mediainfodll"
[14:02] <nerochiaro>             ]
[14:02] <nerochiaro>         }
[14:02] <nerochiaro>     }
[14:02] <plars> nerochiaro: I forget, is camera a click or a debian test?
[14:02] <nerochiaro> plars: camera builds both click and debian, but i think we run tests as click
[14:03] <plars> nerochiaro: if it's pulling in a deb for the test, it *should* get any dependencies with it. However clicks don't use that
[14:03] <plars> yeah, clicks are so disrespectful, they don't even bother to see stuff like that :)
[14:03] <plars> nerochiaro: so is python3-mediainfodll needed also?
[14:03] <nerochiaro> plars: yes please, both of them
[14:04] <nerochiaro> plars: and the vanguard queue i guess will work if it is done in a reasonable amount of time
[14:04] <nerochiaro> plars: thank you
[14:05] <plars> nerochiaro: within the next couple of hours most likely
[14:05] <nerochiaro> plars: most excellent. thank you
[14:05] <plars> nerochiaro: for it to be in there, and land in the test code, etc
[14:05] <plars> fully "done"
[14:06] <nerochiaro> plars: it will do nicely. and a quick question before i let you go get your morning coffee ;) , are these tests re-run only when there is a new image, or we can ask them to be re-run with a certain merge request code  to see if it really fixes issues ?
[14:07] <plars> nerochiaro: they should already be run for MP landings, are they not?
[14:08] <nerochiaro> plars: what i see CI posting in the MR comments is basically only for vivid, not for RTM, unless I am missing something
[14:08] <plars> nerochiaro: ah, not sure on that, but I'll check. Certainly it will be run for every new image though
[14:09] <nerochiaro> plars: ok, thanks. if there is any way to access RTM tests results for merge requests, please let me know.
[14:11] <plars> nerochiaro: don't things normally land in vivid though, and then migrate to rtm? What do you land in rtm directly?
[14:15] <nerochiaro> plars: maybe i am not very clear on the process, but RTM is still on utopic
[14:15] <plars> nerochiaro: looks like someone asked for it last night too, the deps already had a mp for it and should be there soon
[14:15] <nerochiaro> plars: great
[15:10] <rsalveti> kenvandine: it seems we got a better fix for the bluetooth mr, will validate https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-018 later today again
[15:10] <rsalveti> if indeed a good fix, then it would be nice to have it for rtm as well
[15:11] <kenvandine> rsalveti, cool
[15:14] <seb128> rsalveti, kenvandine, I acked the trunk mp and testing it with my car (which didn't work) and with keyboard and audio transmitter (which still work)
[15:14] <seb128> tested even
[15:16] <rsalveti> cool
[15:16] <seb128> rsalveti, kenvandine, there are a bunch of bluetooth fixes in trunk, but rtm is basically over from what I understood from pmcgowan, e.g we just want to focus on rebasing on vivid now?
[15:16] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah
[15:17] <rsalveti> seb128: well, not yet over :-)
[15:17] <kenvandine> well... soon :)
[15:17] <rsalveti> once vivid is stable and we get a plan to move to it
[15:17] <kenvandine> we might land some fixes soonish before rebasing
[15:17] <rsalveti> "stable"
[15:17] <seb128> rsalveti, well, basically I asked if we can get bugs added to the approved rtm list and that was the reply
[15:17] <rsalveti> right, but we will be landing critical issues
[15:17] <seb128> is that considered one?
[15:17] <rsalveti> the idea was just to avoid landing issues that are not critical/high enough
[15:18] <rsalveti> seb128: that might help pairing with quite a few cars out there
[15:18] <rsalveti> and we have a bug from bq for it, so possibly
[15:18] <seb128> indeed, mine for example :-)
[15:18] <pmcgowan> that one might warrant a backport
[15:18] <seb128> do we want to backport ssp pairing as well?
[15:19] <seb128> that's used by e.g some keyboards
[15:21] <rsalveti> seb128: keyboard pairing is not yet supported in RTM
[15:21] <rsalveti> iirc
[15:21] <pmcgowan> sil2100, did we promote the last rtm image?
[15:23] <seb128> rsalveti, k
[15:23] <seb128> rsalveti, where is the list of what is supported or not?
[15:28] <sil2100> pmcgowan: yes :)
[15:28] <rsalveti> seb128: would need to check the debdiff for that :-), but I think input is not yet supported because that only landed in vivid
[15:28] <sil2100> pmcgowan: only the krillin one so far, but I'll have time to promote the rest in a minute
[15:30] <seb128> rsalveti, oh, that's what you mean. Yeah, I added the ssp/keyboard pairing to vivid, I was just wondering if we should backport that as well
[15:31] <rsalveti> seb128: afaik for the input to be useful it'd also require a new mir
[15:31] <rsalveti> the current mir in RTM is unable to add new input devices dynamically
[15:31] <seb128> rsalveti, ah ok, let's forget about it then
[15:31] <rsalveti> yeah
[17:05] <robru> sil2100: meeting?
[17:10] <davmor2> sil2100, jibel, ogra_: landing meeting or is it cancelled?
[17:10] <ogra_> i'm in the release plannin meeting atm
[17:11] <ogra_> wont make LT today
[17:12] <davmor2> we cancelled landing team
[17:35] <Mirv> evening hi
[17:36] <robru> Mirv: hola
[18:29] <robru> oSoMoN: how's it going? you really ready for a publish? ;-)
[18:30] <oSoMoN> robru, if you mean silo 25, I hit "build" again by accident…
[18:31] <oSoMoN> I meant to rebuild silo 8, mixed up the two
[18:32] <robru> oSoMoN: hmmm. so is 25 ready to publish? the dashboard says so...
[18:33] <oSoMoN> robru, it is, and it’s actually already in -proposed, awaiting for the beta1 freeze lift to migrate to release
[18:33] <robru> oSoMoN: oh, k. hm
[18:33] <oSoMoN> which is why building it again was completely useless…
[18:33] <robru> oSoMoN: yeah if it was already published, I just gotta fix the status or it won't automerge once it lands...
[18:34] <oSoMoN> ah, sorry about that
[18:40] <robru> oSoMoN: no worries.
[18:40] <robru> oSoMoN: ok I think I fixed it, within 5 min or so we should see 'Migration: blah blah' message.
[18:42] <Mirv> it's 24, not 25, which is in -proposed
[18:42] <Mirv> oh, and I'm not really here
[18:42] <Mirv> 20150224, that is
[18:46] <oSoMoN> yeah, I’m not really here either
[18:46]  * oSoMoN disappears
[19:13] <robru> Mirv: thanks for the heads up, fixed
[21:49] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20150225-b67e0b6.changes
[21:49] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20150225-b67e0b6.tar.xz
[21:50] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-testresults-20150225-b67e0b6.ods
[21:50] <john-mcaleely> new device tarball, for the logs and the morning :-)
[21:50] <john-mcaleely> (also in the citrain spreadsheet, currently line 57)