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[12:13] <mhz> jmredlinks: esta es tu primera vez en IRC?
[01:33] <Burgwork> hey jsgotangco
[01:33] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:27] <bddebian> Hello
[03:28] <HedgeMage> hi :)
[03:28] <bddebian> Hi HedgeMage
[03:28] <Burgundavia> hey HedgeMage
[03:31] <HedgeMage> how are you guys?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> pretty good but im in a bit of a crisis deep inside
[03:37] <HedgeMage> :(
[03:38] <HedgeMage> how come?
[03:38] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage
[03:38] <HedgeMage> hey LaserJock
[03:38] <jsgotangco> HedgeMage: midlife crisis probably
[03:39] <HedgeMage> :(
[06:17] <ball> Is there a list somewhere of ubuntu channels?
[06:18] <Zaire> channels are #kubuntu #ubuntu #edubuntu adn #xubuntu not sure of any other though
[06:19] <bimberi> ball: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#head-729211ea4fb3c5b535d3d8a533dbc007c8dbce14
[06:19] <ball> bimberi, Zaire: thanks
[06:19] <Zaire> no probs
[06:19] <bimberi> yw :)
[06:20] <ball> Edubuntu is LTSP-like iirc?
[06:21] <ball> Zaire: do you have it running?
[06:23] <ball> Do you like Ubuntu so far?
[06:23] <Zaire> yeps its the best Ive used so far
[06:24] <Zaire> Ive used prob about nearly 20 distros now lol
[06:24] <ball> Zaire: I've not liked most of the ones I've looked at.  I do have an Ubuntu CD to try though.
[06:24] <ball> Not #edubuntu though.
[06:25] <ball> bimberi: that's a helpful Web page.
[06:26] <ball> bimberi: Where should I look for system requirements for the edubuntu X terminal machines?
[06:26] <bimberi> ball: it is, finding it for you made me notice that it's a bit out of date so i'm editing it :)
[06:26] <ball> brb
[06:27] <bimberi> ball: good question :)
[06:27] <Zaire> is this a good help doc bimberi? http://www.ublug.org/ubuntu/twinview/twinview-howto-breezy.html
[06:28] <bimberi> Zaire: not sure as i don't use twinview.  I generally try help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com first, then the forums and after that it's google time :)
[06:29] <Zaire> lol well this time Im gonna make a backup of my xorg and move it to a diff location rather then having 50 diff backups that could be faulty lol
[06:30] <bimberi> Zaire: hehe.  That page looks good to me in that it doesn't recommend installing things from external sources.
[06:31] <ball> hello Hedgie
[06:31] <HedgeMage> hiya :)
[06:31] <Zaire> so does that mean I should use the glx driver or the actual from nvidia.com
[06:33] <ball> Does edubuntu use GNOME, KDE or straight X?
[06:33] <HedgeMage> gnome by default
[06:33] <HedgeMage> but you can use whatever you want :)
[06:33] <ball> Blackbox?
[06:34] <Zaire> Xfce is decent I like kde the best and in the words of linus torvald don't use gnome kde is the only way to go lol
[06:35] <ball> I have KDE on my iBook and don't like it.
[06:35] <Zaire> is it an onld KDE or newer one?
[06:35] <Zaire> old*
[06:35] <ball> No idea.
[06:36] <ball> xfce looks tolerable.
[06:36] <ball> Not quite as nice as blackbox, but okay otherwise.
[06:36] <Zaire> all I used before was gnome but haven't since I ditched redhat 9
[06:36] <bimberi> HedgeMage: i'm struggling to find edubuntu thin-client hardware requirements - any ideas?
[06:36] <bimberi> HedgeMage: hi btw :)
[06:36] <HedgeMage> bimberi: hang on it's listed in the cookbook
[06:37] <Zaire> well i'll brb gonna change run levels to install my nvidia drivers
[06:37] <HedgeMage> bimberi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/HardwareRequirements
[06:38] <bimberi> ball: there you go ^^^^ and thankyou very much HedgeMage :)
[06:39] <HedgeMage> np :)
[06:39] <ball> I would print that... if I had a printer that worked.
[06:41] <bimberi> !eduhardware is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/HardwareRequirements
[06:41] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[06:41] <ball> hello root_
[06:41] <bimberi> !eduhw is <alias> eduhardware
[06:41] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[06:42] <ball> Firefox has never seen so many tabs open at once!
[06:43] <Zaire> well that bombed out on me
[06:43] <Zaire> said it couldn't find the system ID or something to install my drivers
[06:45] <ball> I might have some machines around that are close to that spec, but the 48 Mb RAM would require some upgrades I think.
[06:45] <ball> ...might be worthwhile though.
[06:45] <crimsun> at 48 MB RAM, you'll be thrashing due to X Window System
[06:46] <ball> crimsun: I hadn't realised the terminals needed that much.  VNC terminals are much lighter ;-)
[06:47] <Zaire> where can I get a list of developer programs and compilers plus required libs for compiling and dev lol
[06:47] <ball> I suppose X may be faster though, especially if it's accellerated.
[06:47] <bimberi> !compiling
[06:47] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[06:47] <Zaire> cool thx bimberi lol
[06:48] <bimberi> Zaire: np :)
[06:48] <ball> The spec says 2Mb Video RAM.  Are some cards better than others (e.g. Mach64 for 2D accel?)
[06:49] <Zaire> does auto-apt do what I think it does :)
[06:50] <ball> It parks a car in your apartment.
[06:51] <ball> Looking at this spec, a VIA EPIA ME6000 with 128 Mb DIMM sounds perfect.
[06:51] <ball> ...wouldn't need a hard disk either.  Perhaps 256 Mb would be better?
[06:55] <ball> Hmm... I'd pretty much have to buy new boxes whether I used edubuntu or just ubuntu on each machine.
[06:59] <ball> ...edubuntu would save the cost of a few hard disks and might make administration more simple.
[06:59] <ball> ...but would require a heavyweight server.
[07:00] <ball> Does that sound fair?
[07:00] <Amaranth> sounds about right
[07:01] <ball> I should price up some gear.
[07:02] <Zaire> I couldn't get auto-apt to work said something about there being no packages
[07:03] <ball> For the terminals I just need case+psu, mainboard, RAM, keyboard, mouse, monitor.  Anything else?
[07:05] <Amaranth> processor :P
[07:06] <Amaranth> otherwise i don't think so but i've never build a thin-client
[07:06] <ball> The processor's soldered to the mainboard.
[07:06] <ball> Fanless too.
[07:07] <ball> (well, I could go to 1 GHz with a small fan.
[07:07] <ball> )
[07:07] <ball> ...thinking about it though, I think they have a 1.2 GHz fanless, it's just a board that's new to me.
[07:07] <Zaire> ony 1Ghz lol mines 3.1Ghz lol
[07:08] <ball> Zaire: I can see 3 GHz for the server, but for the terminals?
[07:08] <ball> 600 MHz is probably overkill.
[07:08] <Zaire> possibly
[07:08] <Zaire> gotta say though I love my AMD lol
[07:09] <ball> I will need something more heavyweight for the box that will be running the applications.  Just might consider AMD64 for that one.
[07:10] <ball> ...or at least 2 GHz Pentium 4 Northwood.
[07:10] <ball> ...or "Core"
[07:10] <ball> (the artist formerly known as Pentium III)
[07:10] <Zaire> thats more or less what mine is lol Sempron 3100+ 64Bit
[07:10] <Zaire> with 800 mhzht aswell
[07:10] <Amaranth> Dual Core 2 Duo Extreme "Woodcrest" CPUs *drool*
[07:11] <ball> AMD chips are too thirsty since the Athlon/Duron.
[07:11] <ball> K6-3 was the last decent AMD chip
[07:11] <Zaire> AMD rocks lol go 2000 Mhz FSB
[07:11] <ball> Amaranth: can edubuntu use those?
[07:11] <Amaranth> ball: Core 1 chips are remade pentium 3, core 2 is using the new core architecture.
[07:11] <Zaire> actually K6 was the crappy chip
[07:11] <Amaranth> ball: I don't see why not.
[07:11] <ball> (will it share the load between the two cores?)
[07:11] <Amaranth> of course
[07:12] <Amaranth> linux is great at multicore/multiprocessor
[07:12] <ball> K6-2+ was okay, K6-3 was okay too.
[07:12] <Amaranth> but that machine would cost more than putting a HD in all your thin-clients :P
[07:12] <ball> Athlon = bletch
[07:12] <ball> K6 != K6-2+
[07:13] <ball> Amaranth: which leaves only the admin aspect.
[07:13] <ball> (and reliability)
[07:13] <ball> 25C isn't too bad.  What's the DC rating?
[07:13] <Zaire> AMD can take heat way better then intels to
[07:14] <Amaranth> iirc two core 2 duo server chips would use a combined total of 90 watts
[07:14] <Zaire> I know cause I ran one and it was running at 62 degrees celcius for 5 months lol
[07:14] <ball> Hmm... 45 W each?
[07:14] <Zaire> still works lol
[07:14] <Amaranth> ball: yeah
[07:15] <ball> Zaire: better to not waste the energy as heat in the first place though.
[07:15] <Amaranth> that's me trying to remember correctly at midnight
[07:15] <ball> I've got entire machines that use less than 45W, but for a server that might be ok.
[07:15] <Zaire> there is a reason it was running so hot though
[07:16] <Zaire> the original mobo it was in fried and kinda half took it with it but it still ran anyway talka bout durability lol
[07:16] <ball> Zaire: it was inefficient?
[07:16] <Zaire> ^^ previous statement is why it ran hot
[07:17] <Zaire> before top temp and this is in summer was 39 or 40 degrees C
[07:17] <Amaranth> ball: VIA machines don't count as machines, they're for niche things :P
[07:17] <ball> For edubuntu, do the X terminals run 24-bit, or 32-bit colour?
[07:17] <Zaire> srry to ramble on Im a hardcore AMD fan lol
[07:18] <Amaranth> ball: 32-bit color doesn't really exist, from what i understand
[07:18] <ball> Amaranth: Actually I was thinking of one of my other boxes, but I think you're right about the VIA ones.  I use them as LAN workstations.
[07:18] <Amaranth> when windows says 32-bit it means 24-bit
[07:18] <ball> Amaranth: 24-bit plus transparency
[07:18] <ball> what, 8 alpha bits?
[07:18] <ball> Does edubuntu use/need transparency?
[07:19] <Amaranth> ball: transparency? "dude, if i turn up the transparency i can see my the wall behind my monitor!" :)
[07:19] <Amaranth> (why does a monitor need transparency?) :)
[07:19] <Amaranth> i dunno
[07:19] <Amaranth> i just know that what windows calls 32-bit is the same as what linux calls 24-bit
[07:19] <ball> Just wondered.
[07:20] <ball> 24-bit is fine by me.  16-bit is better than nowt.
[07:20] <Amaranth> I'm just tired.
[07:20] <ball> 8-bit is okay on greyscale displays ;-)
[07:23] <Zaire> brb gonna try driver install again lol
[07:29] <ball> any luck?
[07:30] <Zaire> k does anyone know where to get the kernel tree sources?
[07:33] <Zaire> !nvidia
[07:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:33] <ball> Linux is new and strange and mostly horrid.  Ubuntu has promise though.
[07:34] <Zaire> yes yes it does and yes linux can be horrid at times lol
[07:34] <Zaire> !kernel
[07:34] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[07:34] <ball> I wish I knew how to build a custom kernel with the right drivers and none of the chaff.
[07:35] <Zaire> !kernel-source
[07:35] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[07:35] <Zaire> yea I would like to know more about the programming aspect myself
[07:36] <ball> I would like to be able to write X apps, but I have to make the basic shtuff work first.
[07:37] <Zaire> I can't even remember how to make IRC bots anymore lol
[07:39] <jsgotangco> :P
[10:37] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[10:37] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[10:38] <cbx33> howz it going?
[10:39] <highvoltage> tired, but good and happy.
[10:39] <cbx33> excellent
[10:39] <highvoltage> you?
[10:39] <cbx33> I think i'm in the same place :D
[10:39] <cbx33> things are going good
[10:40] <highvoltage> good to hear, you sounded a bit blue a few weeks ago.
[10:40] <cbx33> yeh things were getting me down at work majorly
[10:40] <cbx33> still are really, but I'm not letting it get to me
[10:40] <cbx33> just trying to accept where I am and work hard to get where I want to be
[10:41] <highvoltage> that's a good attitude.
[10:41] <cbx33> yeh
[10:41] <highvoltage> heh. i'm sure you'll get bored of XGL soon :)
[10:41] <cbx33> I mean my ultimate goal is to work for canonical
[10:41] <highvoltage> it's one of those goals that you can achieve easily enough with lots of hard work.
[10:41] <crimsun> there are a couple positions open, have you applied?
[10:42] <cbx33> I applied for the webmaster one
[10:42] <cbx33> I'll check now
[10:42] <crimsun> good luck
[10:43] <cbx33> heh, I didn't get the webmaster position
[10:43] <cbx33> but I got some good feedback from heno
[10:43] <cbx33> I don;t think any of the posisitons at the moment are ones I could fill
[10:43] <highvoltage> is it something you'd definitely want to do? i would think that you'd go for something more exciting
[10:43] <cbx33> not enough experience
[10:44] <cbx33> highvoltage: heheh, you mean work for canonical? or the webmaster position?
[10:44] <highvoltage> cbx33: the webmaster position
[10:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: i would think that you would be more interested in software development
[10:45] <cbx33> looking at it, it was my dream job at that time
[10:45] <cbx33> I really want to get into the development side of things, hence me learning python
[10:45] <highvoltage> or is your rationale to get a job at canonical first, and then to move into something you feel better with?
[10:45] <cbx33> It's just taking me some time is all
[10:45] <highvoltage> ok
[10:46] <cbx33> highvoltage: not really, as I said, looking at that position, it was something that I could do, would still challenge me in places and wouldenable me to work in the ubuntu community and work from home
[10:46] <cbx33> it's working with all you guys all day which appeals to me :p
[10:47] <Electryfier> Hey anyone know where to find the Qt libraries, compilation problems?
[10:47] <highvoltage> i'm hardly here for about 20 minutes a day myself these days
[10:48] <Electryfier> anyone?
[10:48] <highvoltage> Electryfier: compilation problems?
[10:48] <highvoltage> qt libraries are shipped with edubuntu
[10:48] <Electryfier> Yes, need to compile program because the stupid server which held the RPM failed
[10:49] <highvoltage> which libraries in particular?
[10:49] <highvoltage> you might need some qt-dev package
[10:49] <Electryfier> the whole thing, in other words: It doesn't specify
[10:49] <highvoltage> you might need to instal some of the packages you might find when doing a apt-cache search qt | grep dev
[10:50] <highvoltage> someone on #kubuntu might be able to give you more detail, or point you in the right direction
[10:50] <Electryfier> i've just been searching every repository i know, and all I found is what I have
[10:56] <Electryfier> hey, how exactly do I do an apt-cache search
[10:56] <Electryfier> of that
[10:58] <highvoltage> in a terminal.
[10:58] <Electryfier> I know that, but the COMMAND
[10:59] <highvoltage> $ apt-cache search pacgkage-name
[10:59] <highvoltage> s/package name/any-keyword-in-package-description
[11:00] <Electryfier> so: $ apt-cache search qt | grep dev
[11:00] <highvoltage> yep
[11:00] <Electryfier> k
[11:00] <highvoltage> there are probably more clever or better ways to do it, but that's how i would do it
[11:01] <Electryfier> did it, and got a bunch of lines with some Qt files at the bottom
[11:01] <Electryfier> including SOME libraries
[11:02] <Electryfier> kdesdk-scripts - a set of useful development scripts for KDE
[11:02] <Electryfier> libavahi-qt3-dev - Development headers for the Avahi QT3 integration library
[11:02] <Electryfier> libcppunit-dev - Unit Testing Library for C++
[11:02] <Electryfier> libdbus-qt-1-dev - simple interprocess messaging system (Qt interface)
[11:02] <Electryfier> libpoppler-qt-dev - PDF rendering library -- development files (Qt interface)
[11:02] <Electryfier> libqscintilla-dev - Qt source code editing component - development files
[11:02] <Electryfier> libscim-dev - development library for SCIM platform
[11:02] <Electryfier> libsmokeqt-dev - SMOKE Binding Library to Qt - Development Files
[11:02] <Electryfier> python-qt-dev - Qt bindings for Python - Development files
[11:02] <Electryfier> python2.4-sip4-dev - Python/C++ bindings generator - Python2.4+Qt3 devel
[11:02] <Electryfier> camstream - Collection of tools for webcams and other video-devices
[11:02] <Electryfier> facturalux-dev - Development files for facturalux
[11:02] <Electryfier> icomlib1-dev - Icom PCR-1000 development kit
[11:02] <Electryfier> kde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules
[11:02] <Electryfier> kdesdk-kfile-plugins - KDE file dialog plugins for software development files
[11:03] <highvoltage> Electryfier: please don't flood the channel
[11:03] <Electryfier> kdevelop3 - An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version
[11:03] <Electryfier> kdevelop3-data - An IDE for Unix/X11 - data
[11:03] <Electryfier> kdevelop3-dev - An IDE for Unix/X11 - development files
[11:03] <Electryfier> kdevelop3-doc - An IDE for Unix/X11 - documentation
[11:03] <Electryfier> kdevelop3-plugins - An IDE for Unix/X11 - development files
[11:03] <Electryfier> libace-qtreactor-dev - GUI Integrated Reactors for ACE: Qt Reactor (development files)
[11:03] <Electryfier> liberis-1.3-dev - The WorldForge client entity library - development files
[11:03] <cbx333> Electryfier: can you please paste to a pastebin
[11:03] <jsgotangco> jeezzzz
[11:03] <Electryfier> libguile-dev - Development headers and static library for libguile
[11:03] <Electryfier> libqglviewer-dev - A qt/OpenGL-based viewing widget
[11:03] <Electryfier> libqt4-debug-dev - Qt 4 debugging development files
[11:03] <cbx333> thanks highvoltage
[11:04] <Electryfier> sorry
[11:04] <jsgotangco> please don't spam
[11:04] <cbx333> www.pastebin.com
[11:04] <jsgotangco> err flood
[11:04] <highvoltage> Electryfier: please use the pastebin instead of pasting to the channel
[11:04] <Electryfier> got it
[11:04] <Electryfier> no pasting
[11:04] <highvoltage> great.
[11:04] <cbx333> highvoltage: can we add a pastebin link to the channel topic
[11:04] <cbx333> or are we getting too big?
[11:04] <Electryfier> so how DO I download that
[11:05] <Electryfier> the qt libs and other devs
[11:05] <highvoltage> $ sudo apt-get install package-name
[11:05] <highvoltage> for example:
[11:05] <jsgotangco> sudo aptitude install package
[11:05] <highvoltage> $ sudo apt-get install python-qt-dev
[11:05] <jsgotangco> cbx333: so you have seen the light
[11:05] <Electryfier> any other way? there is like a ton of the packages
[11:06] <highvoltage> Electryfier: yes, you can also select it from synaptic
[11:06] <jsgotangco> its smart enough to know which packages you will need
[11:06] <highvoltage> Electryfier: which also has search functionality
[11:06] <jsgotangco> (hey highvoltage and cbx333 btw)
[11:06] <cbx333> jsgotangco: yes
[11:06] <cbx333> it;s much faster
[11:06] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco :)
[11:06] <Electryfier> well the thing is: I downloaded ever single qt thing or qt related thing from Synaptic
[11:06] <Electryfier> by
[11:06] <Electryfier> not form
[11:06] <Electryfier> from
[11:07] <highvoltage> i nearly wrote CBX333 instead of DDR333 a few weeks back on a technical report :)
[11:07] <Electryfier> LOL
[11:07] <cbx333> highvoltage: heheh I am forever engrained in your mind
[11:07] <jsgotangco> that's bad
[11:07] <cbx333> just wait till we meet :p
[11:07] <cbx333> mwuuhahahah
[11:07] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: is the meeting later a council meet?
[11:07] <cbx333> yes
[11:07] <cbx333> it should be
[11:07] <jsgotangco> err?
[11:08] <Electryfier> hey, what if I downloaded every qt, or qt related thing
[11:08] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ?
[11:08] <Electryfier> by using synaptic
[11:08] <Electryfier> and no compilation
[11:08] <cbx333> Electryfier: it would be extremely space hungry
[11:08] <Electryfier> with a nice big error
[11:08] <jsgotangco> what are you trying to do?
[11:08] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hmmm.. i don't know.
[11:09] <highvoltage> i think i missed a council meet, so now i'm a bit out of sequence.
[11:09] <cbx333> w00t - epiphany doesn't lag out mplayer when switching desktops in XGL
[11:09] <cbx333> it's the first meet of each month
[11:09] <jsgotangco> i dunno either, the meet scheduled is 4am on my side
[11:09] <highvoltage> wow, that's quite early
[11:09] <Electryfier> counting that I had to download 400 MB on patches and updates, plus another 200 MB on qt, I was...
[11:10] <Electryfier> DEAD BORED
[11:11] <jsgotangco> Electryfier: if you're using aptitude, you could play minesweeper while uplgradeing :D
[11:11] <Electryfier> kubuntu channel is not responding, and out of 255 users in, no response
[11:11] <cbx333> jsgotangco: hehehe
[11:12] <Electryfier> jsgotangco:  I know, but sheesh, i'd rather play gnometris
[11:12] <cbx333> jsgotangco: after the recent news you mean?
[11:12] <jsgotangco> what recent news?
[11:12] <cbx333> oh ok in general
[11:13] <cbx333> I thought you were refering to the North Korea situation
[11:13] <jsgotangco> heh no
[11:13] <cbx333> I try not to think about all that, I get very anxious about it all
[11:13] <jsgotangco> cbx333: try living in Seoul
[11:14] <cbx333> I get too worried and nervous about them
[11:14] <jsgotangco> cbx333: i currently have a contract with the IOSN (www.iosn.net) which is under the UNDP
[11:14] <Electryfier> I wonder wether #kubuntu users are statues or they are sleeping
[11:15] <Electryfier> because 230 users and no responses is insane
[11:15] <jsgotangco> Electryfier: you could try the mailing list or the forums
[11:15] <Electryfier> good idea
[11:15] <Electryfier> Electryfier, over and out
[11:15] <highvoltage> Electryfier: jsgotangco is right. and you might also want to give them a few minutes to respond.
[11:16] <highvoltage> Electryfier: some of the most knowledgable people are quite busy, and they only check their irc window every few minutes (or hours)
[11:16] <Electryfier> highvoltage, did give them more than a few minutes
[11:16] <Electryfier> much more
[11:16] <jsgotangco> yes we slackers tend to just idle by and wait for some activity in the channel
[11:17] <cbx333> Yagisan:  deng
[11:17] <Yagisan> cbx333: yes ? working on it right now
[11:17] <cbx333> um
[11:17] <cbx333> the packages for the models
[11:17] <Yagisan> cbx333: I'm doing evil things with the new build scripts >:)
[11:17] <Yagisan> yes
[11:17] <cbx333> don't seem to exist anymore
[11:18] <Yagisan> cbx333: add the breezy repo. They need a *massive* update for dapper
[11:18] <Yagisan> cbx333: its 1.5GB of files
[11:18] <cbx333> Yikes
[11:18] <Yagisan> I don't have time at the moment to update it
[11:18] <cbx333> ok I won't install that then
[11:18] <cbx333> no no no
[11:18] <cbx333> I was just curious
[11:18] <cbx333> but now I'm not
[11:18] <Yagisan> and theres a new upstream release on several packs imminent
[11:18] <cbx333> XGL will be my new toy for a while longer yet anyway
[11:19] <Yagisan> cbx333: it's broken up into smaller download, just the source is huge
[11:19] <Yagisan> cbx333: the biggest chunk is about 50~60MB
[11:19] <cbx333> right
[11:19] <cbx333> bbl
[11:20] <Yagisan> heh heh. Install command for Windows "deltree c:\*.*"
[11:20] <Yagisan> >:)
[11:20] <Yagisan> so tempting
[11:22] <Electryfier> Because I installed Edubuntu 2 days ago, upon updating: installing, scrollkeeper installation crashed, I ended up with a *bruised* Edubuntu, went into recovery and ran apt-get to reinstall all of the updates
[11:22] <Electryfier> a real nightmare
[11:22] <Electryfier> anyone had a same or worse experience
[11:23] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: have you uploaded your pics?
[11:23] <highvoltage>  no, i'll get to that now, i've had interruptions last time i wanted too, i have some time now...
[11:24] <Electryfier> oh yes, by bruised I ment useless, because I couldn't standardly run Edubuntu as admin to do it through the GUI
[11:25] <Electryfier> because in other modes it was asking for some password for root which I didn't know
[11:26] <Electryfier> then what IS the password for root?
[11:27] <Electryfier> highvoltage, do you know what is the password for root
[11:29] <Electryfier> well bye
[11:29] <Yagisan> love those impatient people
[11:30] <Yagisan> oh oh answer my question !!!?!. a few seconds later they are gone.
[11:31] <Yagisan> highvoltage: out of curiosity, why do you auto-op here ?
[11:32] <highvoltage> Yagisan: i think it's because my nick is the registered channel founder, i could probably turn it off, if it bothers anyone :)
[11:33] <highvoltage> sometimes i deop after i login, but usually i don't bother
[11:34] <Yagisan> highvoltage: just wondering. I usually don't advertise I'm an op until 5 seconds before I kick someone
[11:36] <jsgotangco> wow i coded all day
[11:36] <jsgotangco> horay for bzr
[11:36] <ogra> yep, thats the usual practice in other ubuntu channels as well
[11:37] <jsgotangco> now to wait for tommorow the publishing in lp
[11:40] <RobinShepheard> Yagisan, daft question, but I have been away a bit, how is your daughters hand
[11:51] <RobinShepheard> was it something I said?? I ask one question and all coversation comes to a halt
[11:51] <RobinShepheard> *conversation
[11:52] <Yagisan> RobinShepheard: she's healed well now. Thank's for asking
[11:53] <RobinShepheard> no problem Yagisan, I did wonder as I have been offline for a while due to moving flats
[11:53] <RobinShepheard> should be getting internet access back in about 5 days
[11:53] <RobinShepheard> yay
[11:54] <Yagisan> bbl. Dinner
[11:54] <RobinShepheard> enjoy
[12:06] <jsgotangco> im going home too
[12:06] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:53] <RobinShepheard> I have a bit of a daft question, if anyone can help
[12:54] <RobinShepheard> How do packages make it into the repositories. Do they have to be available in the debian repositories or do ubuntu have there own additions
[12:55] <RobinShepheard> this follows my reasoning that all edubuntu packages come from ubuntu
[12:55] <bimberi> RobinShepheard: things can be packaged especially for ubuntu, but it is an important part of the project to work with upstream
[12:56] <bimberi> RobinShepheard: edubuntu and ubuntu are the same thing as far as packages are concerned - they both use the same repositories
[12:57] <RobinShepheard> ok, I wondered as I am looking at creating a ha-cluster with edubuntu and most of the packages listed for the purposes don't appear to be in the repos
[12:58] <RobinShepheard> bimberi, I did think that was the case, hence the comment about the ubuntu repositories
[12:58] <bimberi> RobinShepheard: true i guess, but that would also mean that they're not available to ubuntu either
[12:58] <bimberi> RobinShepheard: ah kk :)
[12:58] <RobinShepheard> bimberi, yeah, that is what I am finding
[12:59] <RobinShepheard> supposing I can get it all working, and I work out how to create a package for the apps, how do I go about getting it included in next release, repos, whatever
[01:00] <bimberi> RobinShepheard: by becoming or enlisting the support of the MOTUs
[01:00] <bimberi> !motu
[01:00] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[01:00] <RobinShepheard> bimberi, cheers for info
[01:00] <bimberi> RobinShepheard: yw, all the best with it :)
[01:01] <RobinShepheard> thanks
[01:02] <RobinShepheard> my reasoning is if you can have a ha-cluster of commodity hardware, the package may well be more attractive to larger establishments
[01:02] <RobinShepheard> low cost with an attractive level of reliability
[01:03] <RobinShepheard> s/package/edubuntu
[01:05] <bimberi> RobinShepheard: you'll have to point me to some good reading about ha-clusters :)
[01:07] <RobinShepheard> bimberi, http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=cluster seems to be a well written book, I am halfway through at tge
[01:07] <RobinShepheard> *doh at the mo
[01:08] <RobinShepheard> bimberi, what country are you from??
[01:09] <bimberi> RobinShepheard: Australia, you?
[01:09] <RobinShepheard> ahh UK
[01:10] <RobinShepheard> I was wondering as to best place to possibly buy the book, o'reilly sell the book from their store
[01:10] <RobinShepheard> I got it from a uk company computer manuals, but they not a lot of use to you really
[01:12] <RobinShepheard> the book is only about 400 pages and is aimed at redhat users, but I am sure it can be adapted to work with ubuntu/edubuntu
[01:12] <bimberi> not really no.  Thanks for the link :)
[01:12] <RobinShepheard> no problem, I try to be as useful as I can
[01:13] <RobinShepheard> bimberi, do you actually work for canonical??
[01:17] <bimberi> RobinShepheard: no, just a lover of *ubuntu who tries to be useful too :)
[01:18] <RobinShepheard> fair enough
[01:19] <RobinShepheard> I got to go and test the dhcp and dns system on my first part of the cluster, I will be back in a bit
[01:20] <bimberi> gee wouldn't it be interesting if the LTSP classroom server was actually a virtual server made up from the clustered unused capacity of the LTSP clients
[01:21] <cbx333> bimberi: that's a scary thought
[01:21] <cbx333> the client runs atop the distributed server
[01:21] <cbx333> :S
[01:23] <Yagisan> bimberi: I made a system like that a while ago
[01:24] <Yagisan> bimberi: used openmosix on 2.4 kernels
[01:24] <Yagisan> bimberi: only problem was apps that used shared memory didn't migrate :(
[01:24] <Yagisan> on the other hand, ripping and encoding cd's to .ogg went very quick :)
[01:36] <bimberi> Yagisan: cool :)
[01:37] <bimberi> cbx333: yes, it could be sortof ssh-ing into itself :)
[01:38] <Yagisan> bimberi: if the get shared memory migration working, it would be good for edubuntu
[01:39] <bimberi> Yagisan: ah, is it being worked on then?
[01:39] <Yagisan> bimberi: but as it is, after 6 firefox sessions, the clients just could not handle it
[01:39] <Yagisan> bimberi: think so. the 2.6 port is taking a long time
[01:47] <cbx333> bimberi: hehhe ahhh sshing to your own machine
[01:47] <cbx333> heheh
[02:42] <bddebian> Hello
[02:42] <bddebian> Hello DanielC
[02:43] <DanielC> salutations
[02:49] <Amaranth> hey ogra
[02:49] <ogra> Amaranth, hey
[02:49] <ogra> i did the review :)
[02:50] <Amaranth> cool
[02:50] <Amaranth> told them i sucked, right? :)
[02:50] <ogra> i think you can read parts of it anywhere at google
[02:50] <ogra> at least th eform said so
[02:50] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[02:50] <Amaranth> they still haven't paid me :P
[02:51] <ogra> and no, i praised you indeed :)
[02:52] <cbx33> if there is a package that is broken
[02:53] <cbx33> how can i tell apt-get to stop trying to in stall it
[02:53] <cbx33> i want to tell it to forget the packages it was going to install
[02:53] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get remove <package>
[02:54] <cbx33> w00t thanx Amaranth i was doing it on the package that was causing the issue
[02:54] <cbx33> but I had to do it on the one before
[02:54] <cbx33> if you know what I mean
[02:55] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:56] <jsgotangco> meh i barely survived that
[02:56] <cbx33> urvived what ?
[02:57] <jsgotangco> the upgrade
[02:57] <cbx33> ah
[03:01] <jsgotangco> pheww
[03:05] <highvoltage> rodarvus, jsgotangco: ping
[03:05] <rodarvus> highvoltage, pong
[03:06] <highvoltage> rodarvus: photos are mostly uploaded, i'm just busy uploading the last ones, photos.jonathancarter.co.za
[03:06] <rodarvus> highvoltage, thanks!
[03:07] <cbx33> :(
[03:07] <cbx33> for some reason ubuntu won;t mount a partition from inside a W95 extended partition
[03:08] <cbx33> anyone ever come across this
[03:09] <jsgotangco> hi!
[03:09] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[03:11] <rodarvus> http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/udsparis2006/800_PICT0226 <- good one :D
[03:13] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's a server in the uk, so pig out all you like ;)
[03:14] <highvoltage> ps: they're uploaded at a low resolution, i'm running out of space on that server, if you want high-res pics of any of those photos, just let me know and i'll put those in a tarball for you
[03:17] <jsgotangco> cool
[03:18] <jsgotangco> i dont think i'll be able to attend the meeting later, that'll be 4am and im not sure i;ll be able to wake up
[03:18] <jsgotangco> is it a council meeting?
[03:19] <cbx33> ping ogra
[03:19] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[03:19] <cbx33> how are the merges coming along?
[03:20] <ogra> i was stuck with a broken system until 1h ago
[03:20] <cbx33> yikes
[03:20] <jsgotangco> yeah hehehe
[03:20] <jsgotangco> woohoo
[03:22] <jsgotangco> "wheat farm"
[03:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:22] <jsgotangco> "ghost town"
[03:23] <jsgotangco> village with no people
[03:23] <ogra> yep, its a council meeting
[03:24] <ogra> and i'd like to talk over the artteam lead ... we'll need a decision here ...
[03:24] <jsgotangco> do we have any other candidates?
[03:24] <cbx33> brb
[03:24] <ogra> jsgotangco, rodarvus, wanted to suggest someone iirc
[03:25] <jsgotangco> ok i will wake up for that then
[03:26] <rodarvus> ogra, not really, what I'm also looking for a decision
[03:26] <ogra> jsgotangco, the council should have quorum ... so only do it if you really want to
[03:26] <jsgotangco> yep
[03:27] <rodarvus> plenty of time until the meeting this afternoon still
[03:28] <ogra> yup
[03:28] <jsgotangco> sure!
[03:32] <cbx33> y machine is foobar, not quite sure what to do
[03:42] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: yes considering i will have to sleep first then it becomes my first agenda when i wake up ;)
[03:43] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, what time is going to be in Manil[l] a? 4am?
[03:44] <jsgotangco> yeah hehehe
[03:45] <jsgotangco> its ok im used to such
[03:45] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:45] <jsgotangco> who knows my mobile # just in case?
[03:46] <mhz> CIA does
[03:46] <mhz> :D
[03:46] <jsgotangco> i doubt that
[03:46] <mhz> well, true..hehehe
[03:47] <mhz> ogra: hey, did you get the parcel?
[03:47] <ogra> mhz, yeah, thanks a lot !
[03:48] <ogra> the keyring thingie is on my car keyring now :)
[03:48] <mhz> hehehe, good
[03:48] <mhz> your welcome
[03:48] <mhz> sorry I could not send more stuff. I was about to but too many weired things happened
[03:50] <mhz> ogra: I am now writing a proposal for an institute called Teleton. They help people (mostly children) with a11y issues. Now they are very well impressed by Edubuntu, so if they accept the proposal, Edubuntu will be the king in at least 10 mini labs all over Chile
[03:50] <ogra> yay
[03:51] <mhz> and I will have to learn how to demo a11y apps
[03:51] <mhz> and obviously understand a11y real issues
[03:51] <ogra> talk to the a11y team
[03:51] <mhz> yup, sent email yesterday asking for tips or even videos to show off
[03:51] <jsgotangco> have you talked to heno
[03:52] <mhz> just sent email
[03:52] <jsgotangco> or TheMuso as well
[03:52] <mhz> if no response in next 3 hours, then will send email to him directly
[03:52] <mhz> yup
[03:52] <mhz> my 1st 2 candidates
[03:53] <mhz> as I said before in this channel and a couple of emails to the ML, this is the year to propose things in Chile
[03:53] <jsgotangco> mhz: if i go blind in the future, don't worry, i'll still use a computer...although don't pray it happens.
[03:53] <mhz> next year, it will be too difficult
[03:53] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehe
[03:55] <mhz> yesterday I demoed Edubuntu (mostly gcompris) to the Chief of Education Department in Teleton. She was sooooo happy with Gcompris. She mentioned at least 7 or 10 ways to use Gcompris (she used lots of educational tech vocabulary) per Gcompris application
[03:55] <mhz> next time, I will take a record machine
[03:55] <ogra> hehe
[03:56] <mhz> it was so important to know these details
[03:56] <mhz> becuase it is exactly what we are missing in Edubuntu
[03:56] <mhz> experts on education telling us how well we could suit Edubuntu for diff needs in education
[03:56] <mhz> cross currciular stuff, and all
[03:57] <ogra> well, ask her to write it down and she'll get the improvement :)
[03:57] <mhz> Colombia and Venezuela are already doing very good job on IT for Education
[03:57] <mhz> yup, I did ask her but then she said "I can dictate and you write" :D
[03:58] <DanielC> mhz: are they?
[03:58] <mhz> DanielC: yup, many Colombian people are doing great efforts on IT for Eucation using FLOSS
[03:58] <DanielC> mhz: I'm Venezuelan, and I would be shocked to hear that the Venezuelan government has done anything right.
[03:59] <mhz> and Venezuela are legally promoting FLOSS as their Governement backs FLOSS up very much
[03:59] <mhz> hehehe
[03:59] <mhz> well, yeah
[03:59] <DanielC> If you replaced the Venezuelan president by a lava lamp the country would be better off.
[03:59] <mhz> one thing is "doing much" and other is "doing well"
[04:00] <mhz> hehehehehehe
[04:00] <mhz> There is ISEIT institute in Venezuela
[04:00] <DanielC> ok
[04:00] <mhz> they are doing lot of training on FLOSS to the "petroleras" people
[04:01] <DanielC> I see.
[04:01] <DanielC> The "petroleras" people are good.
[04:01] <DanielC> Just about the only thing that works in the entire country.
[04:01] <mhz> actually, Ricardo Strusberg, Director of ISEIT ihas played important role in the law for FLOSS
[04:01] <DanielC> Mostly because it's independent of the government.
[04:01] <mhz> true
[04:02] <mhz> independancy gives you more choices
[04:02] <mhz> Brasil is also doing lots of stuff about FLOSS
[04:02] <DanielC> I've heard good things about Brazil.
[04:03] <mhz> One of the stuff I have to do this year is to re-submit a project for a FLOSS law in Chile
[04:03] <DanielC> cool
[04:04] <mhz> so far, in LAm (latinamerica) only Venezuela has FLOSS in a law framework, afaik
[04:04] <mhz> Brazil seems to be close, and Argentina is too.
[04:04] <mhz> This and next year are key in LAm for FLOSS
[04:05] <DanielC> I assure you that if the Venezuelan government did something right it was entirely by accident.
[04:05] <mhz> lol
[04:05] <DanielC> :)
[04:05] <mhz> well, my guess is whatever is anti-US was considered good
[04:05] <mhz> ;)
[04:05] <DanielC> Do you have a link to this Venezuelan law about FLOSS?
[04:05] <DanielC> You are probably right actually.
[04:06] <mhz> hmm, not now but I could ask Ricardo Strusberg to provide good amount of info about it
[04:07] <mhz> DanielC: however, my approach for FLOSS in Chile is not anti-US (as I think it is in Venezuela and soon in Bolivia), but more "let's work on education using FLOSS as 1st alternative"
[04:07] <mhz> and we can take it from there
[04:07] <DanielC> I have little doubt that this pro-FLOSS thing is largely because the President is very anti-US. (not that I'm a fan of the US myself)
[04:08] <DanielC> I think your approach is better.
[04:08] <cbx33> can someone do me a favour
[04:08] <mhz> I had the chance to organize a mini fair a couple of weeks ago and inivted many small biz people. They all said to have no objections to use FLOSS over non-free technology. Many were very pleased to see Edubuntu in action even.
[04:08] <cbx33> can you see if, www.progbox.co.uk resolves
[04:08] <DanielC> *click*
[04:09] <DanielC> Not resolving.
[04:09] <DanielC> Nope.
[04:09] <cbx33> ok thank you
[04:09] <mhz> nope, not resolving
[04:09] <mhz> or taking toooo loooong
[04:10] <cbx33> yup thanks guys
[04:10] <mhz> yw
[04:10] <DanielC> np
[04:10] <sbalneav> Good morning #edubuntu!!
[04:10] <ogra> he sbalneav
[04:10] <ogra> *hey
[04:10] <DanielC> salutations
[04:11] <sbalneav> hey hey
[04:11] <mhz> DanielC: if you read spanish, it would be helpful for me if you could take a look at a set of info I have been working on about FLOSS and some related areas (support, biz, costs, etc). They are very short articles about it (about 1 or 2 paragraphs each)
[04:11] <mhz> http://mhz.homelinux.org/tcwiki/RecentChanges?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=libre&titlesearch=Titles
[04:11] <DanielC> mhz: I read Spanish...
[04:11] <sbalneav> ogra: What are you doing Friday?
[04:12] <ogra> driving
[04:12] <ogra> next piecemeal move step ...
[04:13] <DanielC> mhz: I'm a fluent Spanish speaker, what do you need me to do?
[04:13] <mhz> DanielC: just read and tell me if is KISS enough
[04:13] <mhz> please
[04:13] <sbalneav> Ah!  Ok, then let me rephrase my question.  I would like to take a day off work, and be home and available for VOIP session with you to finalize my devel environment.  What day would be a good day for you?  Doesn't need to be a rush.
[04:13] <DanielC> mhz: Sure... I don't know how valid my opinion is but I'll try...
[04:13] <mhz> they all start by TecnologiaLibre...
[04:14] <mhz> thx
[04:14] <DanielC> mhz: Who wrote this?
[04:14] <mhz> a friend of mine and me
[04:14] <DanielC> You speak Spanish?
[04:14] <ogra> sbalneav, then on monday i guess ...
[04:14] <sbalneav> Is that ok with you?
[04:15] <ogra> i also need to get a headset for my ibook first ...
[04:15] <ogra> i have no working voip HW at the moment ...
[04:15] <ogra> but yes, monday is ok with me
[04:15] <sbalneav> No!  Don't buy anything on my account.
[04:15] <sbalneav> I can just phone you long distance.
[04:15] <ogra> i need it for the company anyway
[04:16] <ogra> thats why we got the headsets in paris ... all company members are supposed to keep and use them with the company system for meetings at some point
[04:16] <ogra> sadly the headset doesnt work on an ibook, i need to get a usb one
[04:17] <sbalneav> I was under the impression that you already had the stuff anyway.  Will the company pay for it?  I don't want to see you got out-of-pocket.  You've probably got enough expenses now.
[04:17] <ogra> pfft
[04:17] <ogra> its a *headset* not a 12 CPU server :)
[04:17] <ogra> i bet i can even claim back taxes for it if i want
[04:18] <DanielC> mhz: What's your email?
[04:18] <sbalneav> Would the company pay for a 12 cpu server?  If so, please send it to Scott Balneaves, 83 Alburg Drive, Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada, R2N 1M1 :)
[04:18] <ogra> heh, i dont think we even have a 12 CPU server in the datacenter :)
[04:19] <ogra> probably one with 12 sockets though
[04:19] <ogra> did i mention that kdeedu merging sucks
[04:19] <DanielC> why?
[04:20] <jsgotangco> it sucks so bad
[04:20] <ogra> because it takes hours to get the build dependencys ... somehow our package uses a different upstream source from the debian one ... its 60MB source to build 20 binaries and n libs
[04:20] <ogra> its the worst package i know
[04:21] <ogra> additionally it has millions of buiuld deps due to the fact that it builds so many binaries
[04:22] <mhz> DanielC: mhz AT ubuntu DOT com
[04:22] <DanielC> thanks
[04:22] <mhz> DanielC: you can also reach me at #edubuntu-es :D
[04:22] <jsgotangco> phewww
[04:22] <DanielC> :)
[04:25] <cbx33> ogra: we need to get rid of kdeedu
[04:25] <cbx33> :p
[04:25] <ogra> well, write a kalzium replacement :)
[04:25] <DanielC> mhz: You realize that in Spanish "libre" implies freedom and not price. It doesn't have the ambiguity of English.
[04:26] <DanielC> ogra: Is kalzium the main reason for having kdeedu?
[04:27] <mhz> DanielC: yup, why?
[04:27] <jsgotangco> its one of the defining reasons though
[04:27] <ogra> DanielC, well, others are not as much in the scope of everyone ... kalzium is very prominent, won several priices etc etc
[04:27] <jsgotangco> the others are forgettable
[04:27] <DanielC> mhz: No biggie... I just noticed your spending some time explaining that difference on one of the pages. Nothing wrong with that though...
[04:28] <DanielC> ogra: Ok, I see.
[04:28] <mhz> heheh, yeah, it was meant to be explained to avoid misunderstandings
[04:28] <DanielC> ogra: What's so special about kalzium? does it do something that's hard to emulate?
[04:28] <DanielC> mhz: ok
[04:28] <mhz> at least, many people i know in Chile, still say "es gratis"
[04:28] <ogra> DanielC, there is nothing like it in gnome land
[04:29] <DanielC> mhz: I see...  then it's good that you point that out then.
[04:29] <mhz> indeed
[04:29] <mhz> but they still say "gratis" hehehe
[04:29] <ogra> it has several features to demonstarte stuff on the chemical elements
[04:29] <mhz> yup, un/fortunately kalzium has lots of intersting stuff to show off
[04:30] <DanielC> it's so unfortunate that we have this Gtk/Qt split.
[04:31] <DanielC> I'm running kalzium now. Yeah, it does have a lot in it.
[04:31] <DanielC> Making a Gnome version seems like needless duplication.
[04:32] <ogra> its ok ... its the programmers that suck here (including me) writing apps that are not cleanly separated iin front/backends
[04:32] <DanielC> It's sad that the library issue makes it needfull.
[04:32] <ogra> have a look at ubiquity ...
[04:32] <ogra> its a great example of frontend independence
[04:33] <mhz> ogra: i would not say you or the programmers 'suck'. I guess it is not meant to be like that. Or you say it is easily avoidable?
[04:33] <ogra> it is ... you just need to plan more in advance
[04:33] <ogra> more extensive use of dbus will help in the future
[04:34] <DanielC> What's dbus?
[04:34] <mhz> ogra: but could that 'planning' actually be done by all of you in 'devl-friendly' fashion? Or it is a matter of amount of 'hands?'
[04:34] <jsgotangco> ogra: will dapper have a point release soon? or is it limited to edgy?
[04:35] <ogra> a communication service ... apps can communicate via dbus with each other or with a backend
[04:35] <ogra> jsgotangco, i think there are point releases planned ... there was a spec for it
[04:35] <jsgotangco> yeah i thought so too
[04:41] <rinke> I use Edubuntu breezy and I think the introduction don't work as well.
[04:41] <ogra> rinke, you mean http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted ?
[04:43] <rinke> No I mean  file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[04:51] <rinke>  I think "file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/www.linux.org"  is wrong, and that it should be http://www.linux.org
[04:51] <crashzor> is there anybody know the act goal group of this project ?
[04:52] <jsgotangco> crashzor: ?
[04:53] <rinke> crashzor: Take  the tour  of Edubuntu. There are many school-related applications installed by default, including TuxPaint, TuxMath, and TuxTyping, among others.
[04:53] <rinke> See also: http://www.edubuntu.com/FAQ
[04:55] <rinke> Crashor: It's the same as Ubuntu but Edubuntu is special for schools.
[04:56] <crashzor> jsgotangco, on what users the project is goaling ( age of students )
[04:56] <ogra> rinke, right, the linux.org link is wrong
[04:56] <ogra> would you mind filing a bug against edubuntu-artwork in breezy ?
[04:56] <jsgotangco> bug???
[05:00] <rinke> orga: How can I do that?
[05:01] <ogra> rinke,
[05:02] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug#
[05:02] <rinke> Thanks
[05:02] <ogra> whopps, drop the # there
[05:02] <jsgotangco> ok im going to crash for a bit then just wake up for the meeting
[05:02] <jsgotangco> ciao
[05:03] <rinke> Packpage is edubuntu-artwork?
[05:03] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:04] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:10] <rinke> I couldn't send a bug there are  An error occurred.
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[06:24] <rodarvus> highvoltage, ping
[06:25] <rodarvus> highvoltage, are do you plan to be online later today?
[06:26] <rodarvus> I'll make some changes to edubuntu-xfce-desktop (in the next half hour) - would appreciate greatly if you could set it for Review, after I finish my changes
[06:26] <ogra> rodarvus, only the owner can change that i think ... try if you can od it yourself
[06:26] <ogra> *do
[06:27] <rodarvus> ogra, I'm only planning on change stuff on the wiki page
[06:27] <ogra> yeah
[06:27] <rodarvus> thats why I asked highvoltage if he's going to stay for a while ;)
[06:27] <ogra> but if its ready for review, mark it like that
[06:27] <ogra> (if you can)
[06:27] <ogra> we're running out of time :)
[06:28] <rodarvus> yep :)
[06:28] <rodarvus> I wanted to refrain from poking ubuntu-reviewers, but it seems we'll have to do it anyway
[06:29] <highvoltage> rodarvus: yes, i plan to be online then
[06:29] <highvoltage> rodarvus: thanks, i really appreciate that :)
[06:29] <rodarvus> :)
[06:30] <rodarvus> I'm supposed to be the Assignee anyway :)
[06:33] <highvoltage> 300MB!?
[06:34] <ogra> yep
[06:34] <highvoltage> wow.
[06:34] <ogra> 287 to be precise
[06:34] <cbx33> heheh
[06:34] <ogra> well, the package is unzipped over 100MB big
[06:34] <cbx33> but even 287 is pretty bad
[06:35] <isg> Hi, all.
[06:36] <cbx33> ogra, not meaning to interrupt you
[06:36] <isg> Problems with ltsp. I was wondering if I could find some help.
[06:36] <ogra> there is not much to interrupt
[06:36] <cbx33> but have you ever had an ext 3 partition that ubuntu refuses to mount
[06:36] <ogra> i'm just watching the ugly thing building ...
[06:36] <highvoltage> hi isg. did you specifically choose do join #EDUBUNTU? normally we see it in lowercase letters, #edubuntu.
[06:36] <isg> highvoltage: Yeah, I typed it from memory. :P
[06:36] <ogra> (and pray that it finishes properly so i can start a 2h upload)
[06:37] <highvoltage> isg: ok :)
[06:37] <highvoltage> isg: fire away, you can ask questions in this channel at any time
[06:37] <isg> ltsp problem, if anyone can help: I installed a new server two days ago, and it was working. I shut it down for the holiday, came back to the office today, and can't get it running properly again.
[06:38] <ogra> ubuntu ltsp ? or ltsp.org ltsp ?
[06:38] <isg> When I boot a thin client machine, I get to the login screen. Then, when I attempt to  login, I just get bounced back to the login screen
[06:38] <isg> ubuntu ltsp 6.06
[06:38] <ogra> did the ip of the server change somehow ?
[06:38] <isg> I believe it's had coded. Let me verify...
[06:38] <ogra> or did you install sabayon before the reboot ?
[06:39] <isg> I did install sabayon, yes
[06:39] <isg> The IP is hard coded. No chane
[06:39] <isg> no change
[06:39] <ogra> you need a profile for every user, else sabayon forbids ssh logins
[06:39] <isg> bah. that's too easy. ;)
[06:39] <isg> Thanks, ogra.
[06:39] <ogra> nah, thats a bug :)
[06:40] <ogra> but supposed to be fixed in edgy :)
[06:40] <isg> Is there a quick/easy way for me to globally turn off the hibernate option from the logout pane? That's a problem, too
[06:41] <ogra> there is a gconf key you can set in gnome-power-manager ... that sadly doesnt hide the button, but should make it non functional
[06:41] <isg> ok, thanks
[06:45] <isg> ogra, another quick question, if you have a moment.
[06:45] <isg> I have users in ldap. I was just able to login with a local user just fine, but the ldap user I just tested with can't login. Any ideas?
[06:45] <ogra> look at pam :)
[06:46] <isg> heh. ok
[06:46] <ogra> (i'm by no means a pam guy, but we use it for login, so a ldap serviuce there should help you)
[06:47] <isg> hrm, looks like pam stuffs may not have gotten fully configured. I thought that was done. bah
[06:47] <rodarvus> highvoltage, ping
[06:47] <highvoltage> rodarvus: pong
[06:47] <rodarvus> "update-alternatives could be used to provide the appropriate default desktop wallpaper for the Xfce desktop"
[06:47] <rodarvus> why is this item necessary/relevant on the spec?
[06:48] <highvoltage> it assumes that the LDM bugs won't be fixed
[06:48] <rodarvus> pardon?
[06:48] <highvoltage> previously, LDM didn't know which sessions were installed,
[06:48] <highvoltage> so users wouldn't be able to choose between GNOME or Xfce
[06:48] <highvoltage> so the administrator would have needed to change it for all users by using update-alternatives.
[06:48] <ogra> rodarvus, ldm ececuted the default system session only  ... or a ~/.xsession file
[06:49] <highvoltage> with ldmd, this won't be necassary anymore.
[06:49] <highvoltage> ogra: am i correct here?
[06:49] <ogra> yep
[06:49] <rodarvus> and why a wallpaper change via update-alternatives is relevant, even in this case?
[06:49] <ogra> since you can select the session in the gui
[06:50] <ogra> yes, thats something we wouldnt do with update-alternatives
[06:50] <highvoltage> ok, i noted that because you'd probably want the same default wallpaper for Xfce than in Gnome.
[06:50] <highvoltage> but if it can be done any other way, then great.
[06:51] <ogra> then you should use the appropriate method xfce uses to set the wallpaper
[06:51] <rodarvus> exactly :)
[06:51] <rodarvus> do you mind if I just remove this item from the spec?
[06:52] <highvoltage> nope
[06:52] <rodarvus> done
[06:52] <rodarvus> also
[06:52] <rodarvus> " * {{{ ldm }}} should ideally be able to allow users to switch between GNOME and Xfce. This is a planned feature for LDM."
[06:52] <rodarvus> this is already in plans for ldmd, isn't it?
[06:53] <ogra> yep
[06:53] <rodarvus> heh
[06:53] <ogra> we called it ldminfo i think ... in the ldm spec
[06:53] <rodarvus> see? the design section is now one line long :D
[06:54] <ogra> but you should leave it in there
[06:54] <ogra> and make this spec depend on the ldm one
[06:54] <rodarvus> right
[06:54] <rodarvus> but I'll write this comment down on the design section
[06:55] <ogra> yep
[06:56] <rodarvus> ogra, do you have the url to the ldm spec?
[06:56] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPLoginAndSessionHandling
[06:57] <ogra> :)
[06:57] <rodarvus> oh, this is the ldm spec :)
[07:00] <isg> ogra, thanks a bunch. It looks like I'm all set.
[07:00] <isg> Damn, but I love Ubuntu! :)
[07:00] <isg> later, all. :)
[07:00] <ogra> :)
[07:01] <DanielC> ogra: What do I do after I upload to Revu? Do I just wait in the hope that a MOTU will notice it?
[07:01] <DanielC> (notice the package)
[07:03] <ogra> ping some moptus to review it :)
[07:03] <ogra> *motus
[07:03] <rodarvus> ogra, don't we already have an edubuntu specific seed?
[07:03] <ogra> sure, why ?
[07:03] <DanielC> ogra: Is that considered acceptable behaviour or will they find it annoying?
[07:03] <rodarvus> kamion mentions one would need to be "created" to accomodate for the changes on the spec to happen
[07:03] <ogra> well, just dont do it in an annoying way :P :)
[07:04] <DanielC> :)
[07:04] <rodarvus> ogra, this comment puzzled me as well
[07:04] <ogra> rodarvus, we'll need to add a xfce seed to the existing one
[07:05] <rodarvus> you mean, create another seed?
[07:05] <ogra> our current seed contains live, desktop, server, supported, ship, ship-live (and other stuff i forgot) we'll need a xfce-desktop one (or even only xfce)
[07:05] <rodarvus> just updating the current one won't suffice?
[07:05] <ogra> we need to add a section to it
[07:05] <ajay_> yoooooo!!!!!!!!!
[07:05] <ogra> its not a whole new seed
[07:06] <ajay_> hey ogra pygi Seveas Yagisan
[07:08] <spacey> yay
[07:08] <spacey> i'm on time for the meeting
[07:09] <pygi> spacey, what meeting is it?
[07:09] <spacey> edubuntu
[07:09] <spacey> ?:P
[07:09] <pygi> ah
[07:09] <spacey> so busy lately
[07:09] <spacey> insane
[07:10] <pygi> I just returned from a trip :-/
[07:11] <spacey> what kind of trip?
[07:11] <ajay_> hey spac
[07:11] <ajay_> hey spacey
[07:11] <ajay_> :)
[07:11] <spacey> hi
[07:11] <pygi> spacey, FOSS related again :-/
[07:12] <spacey> is it that bad?:)
[07:12] <pygi> spacey, I am "losing" insane ammount of time on FOSS lately
[07:12] <spacey> well its in your own hands:)
[07:13] <pygi> spacey, easy to say :)
[07:13] <pygi> I guess I can't complain tho :)
[07:15] <rodarvus> ogra, so we need to keep mentioning  the seed changes on the spec, I assume
[07:15] <ogra> yes
[07:15] <rodarvus> but kamion also mentioned changes to cdimage and gfx-theme-ubuntu
[07:15] <rodarvus> is all of this necessary just to add information to a seed?
[07:15] <ogra> it needs to be a separate one that creates a separate -desktop package
[07:15] <rodarvus> s/information/packages/
[07:16] <ogra> its not just adding packages to an existing seed
[07:16] <rodarvus> I see
[07:16] <ogra> germinate needs to be changed to be aware of the new name, a seed has to be created in the edubuntu seed bzr tree
[07:17] <ogra> note that i didnt touch the seeds since release, dont ask me how they work now after the move to LP ... i'll have to find out next week before the first knot CD
[07:21] <rodarvus> last question
[07:21] <rodarvus> This is all very incomplete. At minimum, you need an Edubuntu-specific seed (`xfce-desktop` or whatever) to make sure all the bits you need stay in main, you need to note cdimage as an affected package because it needs to put all the right bits on the CD images and because changes to the preseed files there will be needed to make this a boot option, translations for that boot option need to be added to `gfxboot-theme-ubuntu`, and so on. --cj
[07:21] <rodarvus> watson
[07:21] <rodarvus> (pasting context to make it easier to ask :) )
[07:22] <rodarvus> I don't understand why this needs to be a boot option somewhere
[07:23] <highvoltage> i think his rationale was so that you can choose an option that will automatically only install Xfce
[07:23] <highvoltage> as apposed to installing edubuntu-desktop + edubuntu-xfce-desktop
[07:23] <highvoltage> or installing minimal + edubuntu-xfce-desktop
[07:24] <rodarvus> and it has to be chosen during boottime?
[07:24] <rodarvus> its an option, for sure
[07:24] <highvoltage> yep.
[07:24] <highvoltage> i don't think it's critical either.
[07:24] <highvoltage> (to be a boot menu option)
[07:25] <highvoltage> although it is a very good nice-to-have
[07:25] <rodarvus> I just wonder if its critical enough to be a boottime option
[07:25] <rodarvus> (or if it only deserves a question later during setup)
[07:25] <highvoltage> i don't think it is.
[07:25] <highvoltage> ogra said that putting in more questions in the setup is not allowed.
[07:26] <highvoltage> so perhaps it just needs a howto instead
[07:27] <ogra> rodarvus, the idea was to support low end servers where even Hd space is an issue
[07:27] <rodarvus> ogra, I understand
[07:27] <ogra> and no, questions in the installer are not allowed ... they need to have a very good reason to be asked :)
[07:27] <rodarvus> and are boot options allowed? :)
[07:27] <ogra> sure
[07:28] <ogra> since they are in a beautiful menu now ...
[07:28] <rodarvus> in my POV they should be even more critical than setup questions :)
[07:28] <ogra> but our menu is full :P
[07:28] <rodarvus> ogra, exactly.
[07:28] <rodarvus> our menu is full of choices already
[07:28] <ogra> well, we could clean that up a bit i guess
[07:29] <ogra> i.e. i doubt memory test is really essential
[07:29] <ogra> boot from first HD could be dropped, rescue offers such a feature iirc
[07:30] <ogra> so that would free two slots
[07:30] <ogra> one of them could be "install edubuntu light"
[07:31] <rodarvus> I doubt we'll be able to remove these two (as they are present on all other cds)
[07:31] <rodarvus> but I'm beaten vote ;)
[07:32] <ogra> well, the workstation option isnt present on any other CD ... so we're able to change it :)
[07:32] <ogra> (independently)
[07:33] <ogra> kdeedu 3.5.3 built !!
[07:33] <ogra> now moving the 3.5.2 ubuntu patches ... gah thats such an ugly thing ...
[07:34] <pygi> ogra, :)
[07:40] <rodarvus> highvoltage, ogra: I've just updated the spec (+wiki page)
[07:40] <rodarvus> please take a look at it if you can
[07:40] <rodarvus> I'll try to find someone to review it for us :)
[07:43] <LaserJock> rodarvus, ogra, highvoltage : would it be possible to do a miniBOF here on dynamic menus before the Edubuntu meeting? I want to get this thing done
[07:44] <highvoltage> rodarvus: ok, i'll read in a sec
[07:45] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hey there! sure, i'm not sure how much i'd be able to help, I haven't read about XDG, etc since the summit as I planned, but I can certainly be here.
[07:45] <rodarvus> LaserJock, sure, ping when you're ready
[07:45] <LaserJock> if Burgwork's around maybe he can help as well ;-)
[07:45] <rodarvus> I'll be busy for the next 5-6 hours, but we need to get this thing done in one way or another
[07:46] <LaserJock> rodarvus: k, np
[07:48] <highvoltage> rodarvus: nice cleanup on that page.
[07:49] <LaserJock> ok, let me just throw out a couple questions that I need cleared up still
[07:50] <Burgwork> LaserJock, hmm?
[07:50] <LaserJock> 1) do we want to define the "groups" a student belongs to using /etc/group or a separate file that contains user/group mappings?
[07:50] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I need to finish off EdubuntuDynamicMenus spec
[07:50] <Burgwork> ah, ok
[07:51] <rodarvus> done
[07:51] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you meeting right now?
[07:51] <LaserJock> well, I'll throw stuff out there and see if I get any bites
[07:51] <rodarvus> I've found a victim^H^H^H^H^H^Hvolunteer to review the specs :D
[07:51] <LaserJock> I don't have a ton of time today
[07:51] <LaserJock> rodarvus: hehe
[07:51] <Petaris> Has anyone successfully gotten the ltsp clients to authenticate to Active Directory?
[07:53] <highvoltage> that would be interesting with ubuntu ltsp.
[07:53] <Burgwork> Petaris, ajmitch is doing something with authentication for SoC
[07:53] <Petaris> Hello highvoltage
[07:53] <highvoltage> hi there Petaris
[07:54] <Petaris> I guess that is really secondary to getting a client to boot at all
[07:54] <Petaris> but I was just curious if anyone had it working or was working on it
[07:58] <rodarvus> ok, spec is back to review
[07:58] <rodarvus> argh
[07:58] <rodarvus> spec is back for drafting
[07:58] <highvoltage> i've read about people authenticating agains active directory with ltsp, but i get a feeling that was the traditional ltsp systems that were in use
[07:58] <rodarvus> highvoltage, do you want to edit it, or leave it to me?
[07:58] <highvoltage> rodarvus: did you read matt's comments on -devel?
[07:58] <highvoltage> rodarvus: i'm very happy for you to edit
[07:58] <rodarvus> highvoltage, he already added a comment to the spec whiteboard
[07:58] <highvoltage> i don't mind editon as well
[07:59] <rodarvus> (basically the same stuff)
[08:00] <highvoltage> in which section would be the best section to explain the differences between xubuntu-desktop and "edubuntu-xfce-desktop"?
[08:01] <highvoltage> sorry if that's not a very intelligent question, i'm a bit fried atm
[08:02] <Petaris> There is an edubuntu-xfce-desktop?
[08:02] <ogra> design or implementation
[08:02] <ogra> Petaris, not yet
[08:02] <Petaris> oh
[08:02] <rodarvus> highvoltage, are you doing it?
[08:02] <Petaris> Hi ogra
[08:02] <rodarvus> i was going to update the spec right now
[08:02] <highvoltage> rodarvus: i was about to start, i'll cancel my edit, np
[08:03] <highvoltage> rodarvus: canceled
[08:03] <rodarvus> ok
[08:03] <rodarvus> I'll do it now
[08:03] <highvoltage> thank you.
[08:03] <highvoltage> i shoudldn't have registered the spec on 06-06-06, perhaps it would have gone smoother if i didnt :)
[08:04] <LaserJock> bah, no excuses :-)
[08:04] <highvoltage> heh, i thought i wouldn't be able to get away with that!
[08:04] <rodarvus> we're *this* close to having this spec approved - calm down ;)
[08:05] <rodarvus> by the way
[08:06] <rodarvus> I forgot what happened to gdm-guest-login
[08:06] <rodarvus> it was delayed for edgy+1?
[08:06] <ogra> did we have a BOF for that one ?
[08:06] <ogra> i dont think so
[08:07] <rodarvus> I think it was more like a quick chat
[08:07] <highvoltage> rodarvus: i don't think we did. i think we wanted to on friday, but there were interruptions
[08:07] <highvoltage> there was some chat about it, yes.
[08:08] <rodarvus> highvoltage, don't you want to implement it for Edgy? we might be able to approve it, if we can draft the remaining parts of it in time
[08:08] <ogra> it has no asignee, is low and in braindump
[08:08] <rodarvus> :)
[08:08] <ogra> and it would rather have to be called gdm-and-ldm-guest-login
[08:09] <rodarvus> ogra, indeed
[08:09] <highvoltage> i don't think it's that important, i think it's even fine for edgy+1, i'm not sure.
[08:09] <ogra> or only guest-login :)
[08:09] <highvoltage> guest-login would be much more appropriate
[08:09] <rodarvus> ogra, but thats just a matter of poking the nearest LP god ;)
[08:10] <ogra> sure
[08:10] <highvoltage> rodarvus: i don't think i'd be able to implement it. it seems a bit complicated.
[08:10] <rodarvus> I can implement this spec, but surely only on Edgy+1
[08:10] <rodarvus> is a nice feature to have
[08:10] <highvoltage> rodarvus: which is why i think it's unwise to volunteer to do it.
[08:10] <highvoltage> rodarvus: heh, i think i would be able to do it for edgy+1 too :)
[08:10] <ogra> i think it should rather go into the direction to have a safe guest user by default in the system
[08:11] <ogra> without having to do anything
[08:11] <Petaris> hrm
[08:11] <highvoltage> but I'd have to do lots of reading first, i don't know how complicated gdm is to hack, ldm certainly seems reasonable. then there's persistent homes and stuff, which i don't know much about in ubuntu, i've last only used it with knoppix.
[08:11] <rodarvus> safe guest user is a huge task
[08:11] <highvoltage> ogra: that sounds good
[08:11] <rodarvus> huge huge stuff
[08:12] <ogra> rodarvus, but the right way to do it imho ... :)
[08:12] <Petaris> When I do an ltsp-build-client --arch i386 I get a bunch of "Unable to fetch" messages
[08:12] <rodarvus> ogra, indeed :)
[08:12] <rodarvus> I'm not disagreeing with you here - it was just a comment ;)
[08:12] <ogra> Petaris, are you behind a proxy ?
[08:13] <Petaris> yeah
[08:13] <Petaris> but I set the proxy
[08:13] <Petaris> and it was grabbing fine
[08:13] <ogra> how ?
[08:13] <ogra> with the http_proxy variable ?
[08:13] <ogra> (not sure that gets set by default from the gui)
[08:13] <Petaris> export http_proxy="http://proxy.somewhere.net:8760"
[08:14] <ogra> ok
[08:14] <ogra> thne apt-get should pick it up
[08:14] <Petaris> right
[08:14] <ogra> thats dapper ?
[08:14] <Petaris> maybe the proxy is having issues
[08:14] <Petaris> yeah, dapper
[08:15] <ogra> it should pull from archive.ubuntu.com ... you could try another mirror see the manpage ...
[08:15] <ogra> (if its not a proxy issue)
[08:15] <Petaris> hrm
[08:15] <Petaris> ok
[08:16] <Petaris> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main libfs6 2:1.0.0-0ubuntu2
[08:16] <Petaris>   Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[08:16] <Petaris> I'll give another mirror a try
[08:17] <Petaris> ogra: Is there a list of mirrors about?
[08:18] <ogra> somewhere on the ubuntu.com page
.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:18] <rodarvus> (two letters code)
[08:19] <rodarvus> us.archive is a different machine from archive itself
[08:21] <Petaris> ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:22] <Petaris> that doesn't work either
[08:24] <rodarvus> Petaris, these machines are on completely different networks - seems like something network-related on your side
[08:25] <rodarvus> firewall, proxy authentication, etc?
[08:25] <Petaris> it uses apt so it shouldn't be a firewall issue
[08:25] <Petaris> there is no proxy authentication
[08:25] <Petaris> hrm
[08:26] <Petaris> I think its just my proxy goofing around
[08:26] <Petaris> seems to be working now
[08:29] <Petaris> appears to have finished
[08:31] <Petaris> is there something I have to do to tell the services ltsp uses to use the i386 chroot?
[08:35] <ogra> Petaris, http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[08:35] <ogra> you need to add the toplevel path
[08:36] <Petaris> ogra: ahh, I forgot the trailing /ubuntu
[08:38] <Petaris> ogra: What about the chroot?  Will it just use the correct one?
[08:39] <ogra> it will create one
[08:39] <Petaris> ok
[08:39] <ogra> if you already have one, delete it first
[08:39] <Petaris> ok
[08:45] <Amaranth> ogra: i think we're supposed to have a meeting or something right now :p
[08:45] <Amaranth> ogra: no progress in the last 2 weeks, been taking a break
[08:46] <ogra> Amaranth, well thats fine, youre aheady of schedule i think ... but dont slack to much :)
[08:46] <ogra> we need a written spec of what you are doing
[08:47] <Amaranth> ok
[08:48] <ogra> and we should have a package asap, i'll make a public branch of your code and add packaging stuff there, you can merge that
[09:07] <mhz> is there a meeting today?
[09:07] <highvoltage> mhz: yep, in about 53 minutes
[09:07] <mhz> highvoltage: hey... thx
[09:08] <LaserJock> ok, I think I'm going to get rid of most of the KDE stuff in dynamic-menus
[09:11] <jryer> How do I change my keyboard to Spanish? (So I can type Spanish chars) I have the Spanish language installed and selected.
[09:14] <crimsun> jryer: System> Preferences> Keyboard> Layouts> Add
[09:15] <crimsun> jryer: then click Ok, and then you'll probably want to move that selection higher in the 'Selected layouts' list
[09:16] <jryer> Thank you thank you thank you crimsun. Now is there some way I can add a shortcut to flip back and forth english to spanish_
[09:17] <jryer>
[09:17] <mhz> ehhee
[09:17] <mhz> ahora si funciona la ene
[09:17] <mhz> :D
[09:18] <mhz> anyone here working with touchscreen?
[09:20] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, so we want user -> group mapping in /etc/group, right?
[09:20] <LaserJock> and then we just need a user/group -> profile mapping
[09:20] <ogra> yep
[09:20] <ogra> sounds good
[09:21] <LaserJock> and the user/grouop -> profile can be done via Sabayon?
[09:21] <LaserJock> we need to make it handle that anyway
[09:21] <ogra> yeah
[09:22] <jryer> , si pero acento, tilde no. Mauricio? Alquien sabe habilitar los acentos y tildes_
[09:23] <jryer> Can you use foreign language accents in Ubuntu or not?
[09:23] <ogra>  ?
[09:23] <ogra> sure
[09:24] <jryer> What is the channel for spanish_
[09:25] <mhz> for #ubuntu-es
[09:25] <mhz> or edubuntu related at #edubuntu-es
[09:25] <crimsun> jryer: secondary-click (right-click for you, perhaps?) the panel (bar) at the top of the screen, choose 'Add to panel', scroll down to the Utilities section, select the 'Keyboard Indicator', click Add, then cycle through the defined ones by primary-clicking the applet
[09:27] <cberlo> Anyone have issues with LTSP not giving hostnames to the clients?
[09:28] <jryer> Thanks again crimsun now if I can get accents to work...
[09:30] <crimsun> jryer: I mapped my right Ctrl to 'Compose' by using System> Preferences> Keyboard> Layout Options> Compose key position> Right Ctrl is Compose
[09:31] <crimsun> , etc.
[09:36] <jryer> crimsun, I tried the mapping like you explained and still dont see accents. What am I doing wrong?
[09:37] <crimsun> jryer: where are you typing accented characters/
[09:37] <crimsun> ?
[09:39] <jryer> Crimsun, here in IRC and in Writer. I have an accent here but not sure how I did it...ssdffdddefefaaaaaa asdf
[09:40] <crimsun> to use Compose, press and hold the right Ctrl, then press one of the accent characters, then press the base letter
[09:40] <crimsun> or if it's easier, use discrete key presses and releases
[09:40] <crimsun> ala, Compose + accent + letter
[09:40] <crimsun>
[09:43] <jryer> crimusn, 'oooooo''''' okay...I got it... Just didnt know it was the triple keypress. Thanks
[09:43] <crimsun> np
[09:43] <crimsun> if you get stuck, there's always Applications> Accessories> Character Map
[09:45] <mhz> xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap.es
[09:49] <crimsun> Approved?
[09:50] <ogra> yeah
[09:50] <ogra> right away
[09:50] <ogra> good job LaserJock
[09:51] <mhz> booh, jryer left
[09:52] <ogra> ************* REMINDER edubuntu CC meeting in 10 mins in #ubuntu-meeting ****************
[09:52] <highvoltage> you mean, EC meeting?
[09:53] <ogra> err, indeed
[09:53] <highvoltage> wow, yes, good job LaserJock
[09:55] <mhz> LaserJock: no idea what ogra  and highvoltage are talking about but congrats! :D
[09:55] <ogra> mhz, menu profiles spec
[09:56] <highvoltage> mhz: his spec got aproved, without hassle
[09:56] <crimsun> mhz: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-dynamic-menus
[09:57] <ogra> mhz, it was a pretty tricky one becaue our discussions were somehow taken over by the kiosktool fraction
[09:57] <ogra> hey AliasVegas, nice to see you around
[09:57] <AliasVegas> yup
[09:57] <ogra> ************* REMINDER edubuntu and EC meeting in 3 mins in #ubuntu-meeting ****************
[09:57] <highvoltage> hi AliasVegas
[09:57] <cbx33> sorry that was me
[09:57] <cbx33> I'vejust logged her on ready for the meeting :P
[09:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: AliasVegas is you?
[09:58] <cbx33> no but I just logged her on
[09:58] <ogra> highvoltage, the better half of him at least :P
[09:58] <cbx33> oi
[09:58] <cbx33> you tried grasynco yet ogra ?
[09:58] <ogra> nope
[09:58] <cbx33> heheh
[09:58] <highvoltage> :)
[09:58] <mhz> ooh, LaserJock excelente!
[09:58] <spacey> hi there
[09:58] <ogra> we'll have a knots CD end of next week, then i'll try it :)
[09:59] <spacey> EC meeting?
[09:59] <ogra> yep
[09:59] <cbx33> heheh
[09:59] <ogra> that too
[09:59] <spacey> edubuntu council?
[09:59] <spacey> or what is it
[09:59] <ogra> yep
[09:59] <cbx33> it's ok it needs some work too
[09:59] <spacey> what will happen?
[09:59] <spacey> something exciting?
[09:59] <ogra> sure
[09:59] <spacey> agenda somewhere?
[09:59] <cbx33> check the topic
[10:00] <ogra> we'll meet, thats always exciting, dont miss it
[10:00] <cbx33> there's a link
[10:00] <spacey> :D
[10:00] <spacey> exciting and surprising ;)
[10:00] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[10:00] <cbx33> AliasVegas and I will both be using the same computer for a while
[10:00] <ogra> oki, lets start
[10:00] <cbx33> so expect some swapping around
[10:00] <rodarvus> lets go
[10:00] <spacey> ok
[10:01] <sbalneav> ogra: One of the specs got kicked back to drafting.  Need me to do anything?
[10:01] <ogra> sbalneav, which ?
[10:01] <LaserJock> holy cow, I was just working on my spec
[10:02] <LaserJock> and wasn't paying attention to irc or my email :-)
[10:02] <sbalneav> the nbd one
[10:02] <sbalneav> fully automatic swap server
[10:03] <rodarvus> sbalneav, i plan to take a look at it after the meeting, but feel free to address mdz's comments before me if you want
[10:03] <sbalneav> k
[10:04] <sbalneav> I think it was keybuk who kicked it back.  Ill see what I can do.
[10:07] <LaserJock> is it ok if I still work on the spec after it is approved? I was doing a clean up when it was approved
[10:11] <rodarvus> LaserJock, the purpose of the spec is to make it clear for anyone (not you) what the task is all about
[10:11] <rodarvus> so if you just make it more clear, it should be not a problem
[10:11] <rodarvus> of course you can not modify the "feature list" and expect everyone to be happy :P
[10:11] <rodarvus> (but that is the obvious part ;) )
[10:13] <LaserJock> k
[10:14] <sbalneav> Well, heading home for the day.
[10:14] <sbalneav> See you all on tonight.
[10:21] <pygi> hey HedgeMage
[10:21] <ogra> pygi, missing the meeting ?
[10:21] <pygi> ogra, uh, it's now? :P
[10:22] <HedgeMage> pygi: yep
[10:22] <ogra> running, yeah, we're at docs
[10:22] <HedgeMage> we just metioned your absence
[10:22] <pygi> sorry, I am very tired today :(
[10:22] <pygi> (had a trip and stuff)
[10:22] <pygi> I am there now
[10:22] <pygi> ogra, sorry about that
[10:23] <HedgeMage> np real life happens :)
[10:33] <highvoltage> ping?
[10:33] <bddebian> pong
[10:34] <highvoltage> bddebian, thanks :)
[10:34] <bddebian> NP :-)
[10:34] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[11:02] <pygi> AliasVegas, congrats !!!
[11:02] <HedgeMage> ditto!
[11:03] <pygi> HedgeMage, no, not you again :(
[11:03] <HedgeMage> lol
[11:09] <AliasVegas> :D
[11:09] <AliasVegas> nn
[11:09] <LaserJock> I guess that dynamic menus miniBOF can be cancelled, :-)
[11:09] <LaserJock> cya AliasVegas
[11:09] <rodarvus> ogra, I'd just like to ask how do we inform ubuntu-artwork about our decision?
[11:10] <ogra> i'll mail
[11:10] <rodarvus> AliasVegas, also, it would be nice if you could get up to speed to what the ubuntu-artwork has planned for Edgy
[11:10] <ogra> but AliasVegas should do that too after i introduced her
[11:10] <rodarvus> ubuntu artwork team even
[11:10] <rodarvus> ogra, agreed
[11:11] <jsgotangco> get subscribed to their list as well
[11:11] <jsgotangco> or even to the artwork channel
[11:11] <ogra> rodarvus, afaik they are not even thinking about edubuntu
[11:11] <rodarvus> exactly
[11:11] <ogra> rodarvus, will be up to us
[11:11] <rodarvus> thats why we need to remember them of Edubuntu :)
[11:11] <ogra> (or better up to our artteam ;) )
[11:12] <Burgwork> the ubuntu artwork team is fairly disorganized
[11:12] <Burgwork> might be better just to say "there is now an edubuntu art team"
[11:12] <ogra> we have had many people coming along in this channel wanting to contribute stuff
[11:12] <mhz> +1
[11:12] <ogra> so i bet we could form an independent team over time
[11:13] <rodarvus> *nods*
[11:13] <ogra> having a lead and point of contact is only the first step :)
[11:13] <mhz> plus, my feeling is target people of edubuntu are very diff from any normal distro
[11:13] <ogra> that too
[11:13] <Burgwork> yes
[11:13] <ogra> we're a NICHE product
[11:13] <rodarvus> but don't forget that at least someone from our team should be able to have an opinion on what they do WRT gnome artwork
[11:13] <ogra> (thats what i'm always told everywhere)
[11:13] <mhz> actually, edubuntu must seduce teachers, and students
[11:14] <mhz> ogra: lol
[11:14] <mhz> but we are
[11:14] <ogra> we fill the niche of place 52 on distrowatch :P
[11:14] <jsgotangco> is AliasVegas approved?
[11:14] <mhz> hehehe
[11:14] <jsgotangco> i will fix her LP application
[11:15] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes, she is
[11:15] <jsgotangco> ok thanks
[11:15] <ogra> oh, i lied, place 56
[11:15] <mhz> jsgotangco: have you ever used touchscreen under linux?
[11:15] <mhz> (not the Zaurus)
[11:15] <jsgotangco> mhz: yes
[11:15] <ogra> mhz, mjg59 did some work in that area for the laptop team
[11:16] <mhz> oh, okis
[11:16] <mhz> thx
[11:16] <ogra> bah, a 14h day and kdeedu is still not done ... sigh
[11:16] <LaserJock> building?
[11:16] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: congrats the spec is approved!
[11:17] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: heh, thanks. I'm still working on it :-)
[11:17] <ogra> LaserJock, 4 times ... now i have something working to move the ubuntu patches over
[11:17] <mhz> ogra: I have just been notifed that there is a Chilean funding for ICT on Education stuff...BUT Mauricio Hernandez can't apply. Only Universities and ICT companies :(
[11:18] <mhz> My last emails to mark never got any answer
[11:18] <jsgotangco> okay i will go back to bed and sleep some more
[11:18] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:18] <mhz> ogra: could I CC you and ask you to bug him from me?
[11:18] <ogra> night jsgotangco
[11:18] <mhz> nn jsgotangco
[11:18] <ogra> mhz, wait a week, we'll have an educational manager soon
[11:19] <mhz> ?
[11:19] <mhz> what you mean?
[11:19] <rodarvus> mhz, on the 12th will have a educational manager
[11:19] <mhz> lol
[11:19] <mhz> yeah, I got that part :D
[11:19] <rodarvus> "ubuntu educational manager", I think is the name of the position
[11:19] <ogra> that will be the point of contact for such stuff
[11:19] <rodarvus> yes
[11:20] <ogra> he'll directly report to mark, so asking him for such stuff should be the right way
[11:20] <mhz> oh, COOL!
[11:20] <ogra> yep
[11:22] <LaserJock> ogra: can you run over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDynamicMenus real quick, in particular the Implementation part?
[11:33] <ogra> gah, i typoed
[11:33] <ogra> in a welcome comment
[11:33] <LaserJock> heh, oh well
[11:34] <ogra> :)
[11:34] <ogra> dont take me serious :)
[11:34] <LaserJock> people are usually quite forgiving around here, especially with typos :-)
[11:36] <rodarvus> ogra, you have the lock on LTSPLoginAndSessionHandling, right?
[11:36] <ogra> not that i know of
[11:37] <ogra> rodarvus, please explain to matt that we wont copy stuff around in chroots :P
[11:38] <ogra> ldm should be able to select between multiple servers at some point ... so it need to be a network service. else we'll have to reimplement everything once we go that path
[11:38] <rodarvus> I agree, but we have to make this point on the spec
[11:38] <ogra> yep
[11:39] <ogra> the second point is just a formulation issue :)
[11:39] <ogra> indeed it should read the file and only change the data in there if it differs :)
[11:41] <rodarvus> indeed
[12:10] <cbx33> hi al
[12:10] <LaserJock> wb cbx33
[12:11] <cbx33> hy LaserJock
[12:11] <cbx33> I have a big problem wondering if someone can help
[12:11] <cbx33> I had fedora instaled on a machine


[02:02] <GridCube> good late night people
[02:02] <GridCube> im zsyncking now
[02:03] <madnick> :)
[02:03] <GridCube> :) sup madnick ?
[02:04] <GridCube> i've read that your plymouth and lightdm will get into oneiric?
[02:04] <madnick> Not much, coding :) you?
[02:04] <madnick> Well
[02:04] <Unit193> Not greeter
[02:05] <GridCube> :(
[02:05] <GridCube> no greeter
[02:05] <madnick> The greeter unfortunetly could not be done, atleast in time
[02:05] <madnick> So it goes in Oneric +1
[02:05] <GridCube> madnick, been working hard on the bookshelfs, pretty boring stuff if you are not into librarianship :P
[02:05] <madnick> ah :)
[02:06] <GridCube> oh well, at least you already did a lot of the job
[02:06] <GridCube> but wait...
[02:06] <Unit193> madnick: Will it get into a PPA for those of us that want to install it though? :)
[02:06] <madnick> Yeah the greeter was close to done, just some API stuff
[02:06] <GridCube> we will have  P I N K greeter?
[02:07] <madnick> Unit193: I stopped working on it temorarily since it did not make it in, but I will resume my work after this PyWeek competition
[02:07] <GridCube> PyWee
[02:07] <madnick> GridCube: hopefully we get the greeter theme in :)
[02:07] <GridCube> :D awesome
[02:07] <madnick> Its a wallpaper, and a font, pretty much :)
[02:07] <Unit193> madnick: Don't bother on my account though..
[02:08] <GridCube> i think that having it on a ppa would actually be awesome
[02:08] <GridCube> something to have on a "how to hack your xubuntu" blog :P
[02:08] <madnick> :)
[02:09] <GridCube> :P
[02:10] <GridCube> :D on an offtopic topic, i finally found a bookstore that sells Terry Pratchett books :D and that my friends IS AWESOME
[03:24] <GridCube> ouch installation failed, HARD
[03:25] <GridCube> i took screenshots
[03:25] <GridCube> is there a way to take the logs from it? on a vbox?
[03:26] <GridCube> apparently there is no kernel D:
[03:28] <Unit193> What install did you do? Alt?
[03:31] <GridCube> http://gridcube.netii.net/screencaps/Captura%20de%20pantalla-6.png
[03:31] <GridCube> yes
[03:31] <GridCube> alternate
[03:31] <GridCube> http://gridcube.netii.net/screencaps/Captura%20de%20pantalla-7.png
[03:33] <GridCube> ok now i have to go to sleep
[03:34] <GridCube> see you when i see you
[05:12] <Unit193> I think we had a wee bit of a netsplit there ;)
[13:40] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:41] <davmor2> morning charlie-tca
[13:41] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : Alternate images are failing to build again, abiword and xubuntu-desktop
[13:41] <davmor2> charlie-tca: you at USD P?
[13:41] <charlie-tca> yeah, I will be there
[13:41] <charlie-tca> you?
[13:41] <micahg> :(
[13:42] <charlie-tca> davmor2: Will we have a chance to meet up, finally?
[13:42] <davmor2> charlie-tca: Indeedly doodley
[13:44] <charlie-tca> micahg: maybe it is the server again? Abiword seemed to only build every other time during beta1 testing
[13:47] <micahg> charlie-tca: no idea, let me see if abiword installs on my other oneiric machine
[13:48] <micahg> charlie-tca: wfm, I'd say go for the retry
[13:49] <charlie-tca> I will do that.
[14:49] <mr_pouit> yeah, this error has been occurring lately
[14:49] <mr_pouit> (and I couldn't reproduce)
[14:50] <mr_pouit> at some point, it looked like a mirror/archive issue (e.g. gb.archive.ubuntu.com and others didn't contain oneiric abiword packages :)
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Today it came from the main mirror
[14:50] <charlie-tca> or, rather, server
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Kind of frustating that it keeps popping up
[14:53] <charlie-tca> and, again, the respin worked
[14:54] <charlie-tca> syncing now, will see if it installs
[15:03] <charlie-tca> Things are looking up for getting the greeter in, too
[15:04] <charlie-tca> got robert_ancell and pitti on it
[15:08] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: the server is dropping bits, maybe the parallel builds are giving problems. the respin zsync shows alternate images were at 98%
[15:45] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: still got a failure trying to install the alternate image:
[15:45] <charlie-tca> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target:  libabiword-2.8 : Depends: libwv-1.2-3 (>= 1.2.4) but it is not installable
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target:  xubuntu-desktop : Depends: tango-icon-theme-common but it is not installable
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target:                    Recommends: screensaver-default-images but it is not installable
[15:53] <mr_pouit> it's the same failure than the build failure above
[15:54] <charlie-tca> with the addition of the screensaver thing
[16:02]  * jarnos noticed that pulseaudio is started even if it is unselected in Application Autostart. Rather odd...
[16:06]  * jarnos noticed that is was probably started by alsaplayer (gtk).
[16:08]  * jarnos or any other player I tried.
[16:09] <micahg> jarnos: pulseaudio is started when an app needs audio output
[16:15] <jarnos> micahg, I see, I had to remove the package.
[16:16] <micahg> why?   we don't support xubuntu w/out pulseaudio
[16:28] <charlie-tca> micahg, mr_pouit : any chance we can find what is wrong and have good images tomorrow?
[16:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: I think it's a mirror issue
[16:29] <charlie-tca> So, go push another respin ?
[16:31] <micahg> hold on, let me update again and try one more time
[16:32]  * micahg wants to be sure he's not missing anything
[16:33] <jarnos> micahg, I don't need it and my computer feels lighter without it.
[16:34] <micahg> jarnos: well, that's up to you, but we test with and support the audio stack with pulseaudio as the application layer interface
[16:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: abiword seems fine
[16:40] <charlie-tca> okay... I will push another spin then
[16:54] <jarno> micahg, there is a lot of work in supporting Xubuntu with pulseaudio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio
[16:55] <micahg> jarno: we inherit the audio stack from Ubuntu, pulseaudio is what was chosen, that's what we use
[16:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: trying to install xubuntu-desktop in a chroot now to see if there are any issues
[16:59] <charlie-tca> It's alternate images failing
[17:00] <jarno> micahg, luckily, it can be removed, if you prefer. I have not noticed any problem with plain ALSA, but I suppose it is hardware dependent.
[17:00] <charlie-tca> The desktop images do work, which should mean xubuntu-desktop is not the problem
[17:01] <micahg> well, the two images are set up differently
[17:02]  * micahg doesn't understand the nuances yet
[17:03] <micahg> \o/ colord install failure
[17:04] <charlie-tca> bug 850172
[17:05] <charlie-tca> includes the logs from the failed install
[17:05] <charlie-tca> qa meeting
[17:06] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, I have no idea what's causing that, I only got a colord failure when I installed
[17:07] <charlie-tca> Okay, that's why I filed the bug. If we can't figure out what is wrong, maybe ev or cjwatson can
[17:08] <charlie-tca> I will attempt an install on my other hardware, just to make sure that is not the problem
[17:09] <charlie-tca> The new behaviour of xfburn sucks!
[17:09] <charlie-tca> I have 60 images, and to pick the right one from "recently used" doesn't work
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Why can't it default to the last directory any more?
[17:10] <micahg> charlie-tca: k3b?
[17:11] <charlie-tca> xfburn, which is the xubuntu default
[17:11] <micahg> I know, I was making a suggestion
[17:32] <charlie-tca> micahg: same failure on my other hardware machine
[17:32] <micahg> right, I think the issue is with creating the image
[17:36] <charlie-tca> I do too, considering that every respin had to be done twice for beta1, with the same errors
[19:50] <raevol> just saw the xubuntu meeting notes, is xubuntu sticking with gdm for 11.10? or just won't have an xubuntu theme for lightdm in 11.10?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu will have lightdm. It is only the theme we are unsure of at this time
[19:50] <raevol> ok thanks
[19:51] <raevol> i'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss this, but i feel we should keep an eye on beatbox from elementaryos to use as a media player, it's pretty nice
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Good place to mention stuff, yes
[19:52] <charlie-tca> elementary os is supposed to be based on Ubuntu 12.04
[19:53] <charlie-tca> The more it is based on Gnome / Unity, the harder it becomes for us to use
[19:53] <raevol> right, and beatbox is way to feature incomplete to consider at the moment, but it seems like a good start
[19:53] <raevol> i'm just suggesting the media player, i have it installed in xubuntu through the ppa, it's just a gtk program
[19:54] <charlie-tca> I would suggest keeping an eye on it then.
[19:54] <raevol> cool
[19:54] <charlie-tca> We do try and review such things each cycle
[19:55] <charlie-tca> It just becomes too much for one person to try and keep track of things
[19:55] <raevol> no worries, there's a lot of different programs out there, especially when it comes to media players
[19:55] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:56] <charlie-tca> but we are pretty much open at looking around
[19:56]  * Unit193 will always use VLC though :P
[19:56] <raevol> you could consider having one xubuntu person specialize in each program? like one person for browsers, one for media players, one for chat clients?
[19:56] <charlie-tca> in comparing them, yes
[19:57] <raevol> i know i go through media players like kleenex, so i'm pretty versed on what's available
[19:57] <raevol> of course i have my own bias as to which is the "best" though
[19:58] <charlie-tca> here is the last big comparison we had on them:
[19:58] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMusicPlayer
[19:59] <raevol> karmic
[20:00] <charlie-tca> yes, but you can see the layout and how we compared them.
[20:01] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I was thinking, since we have a few new contributors this cycle doing it that you essentially taught by hand, a blog post about "how to test daily xubuntu isos" would be nice
[20:02] <charlie-tca> yes, I could agree with that
[20:02]  * charlie-tca supposes pleia2 was thinking he should write that, too?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Well, that makes the nick list shorter :)
[20:04] <raevol> :P
[20:04] <Unit193> Yep, handy ;)
[20:04] <pleia2> please :) but I can proof it and find people who don't know about testing to review it too
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Olbi: I tried to make it easier to pick the right month for testing. Let me know if it works for you?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> pleia2: okay, I will
[20:05] <pleia2> hehe
[20:05] <Unit193> He's helped me *tons*
[20:08] <Olbi> ok
[20:09] <Olbi> charlie-tca: nice works, thx :)
[20:10] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. Thanks for trying so hard!
[20:11] <Olbi> there isnt work link to iso: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20110914/oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:13] <charlie-tca> you are right
[20:13] <charlie-tca> try http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ instead
[20:24] <raevol> :( i wish the Elementary Xubuntu Dark icon theme didn't override pidgin's icon, the overriden icon doesn't indicate when new messages arrive
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I did not know it was based on icon theme
[20:40] <charlie-tca> raevol: That should be a bug report needed, that theme is specific to Xubuntu
[20:43] <raevol> ok, let me see if i can report a bug
[20:46] <raevol> doesn't seem to already be reported
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Here is the latest comparison of music players, but it is not as comprehesive the karmic one:
[20:47] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Natty/DefaultMediaPlayer
[20:48] <charlie-tca> report it using      ubuntu-bug xubuntu-artwork         in a terminal
[20:48] <raevol> ok
[20:51] <Olbi> LOL, these both are really same :P
[20:52] <Olbi> I think ppl need support for players, like iPod, MP3, MP4, iRivers etc
[20:52] <Olbi> maybe Banshee?
[20:53] <Olbi> and I think we need change in next Xubuntu default notepadd from leafpad to gedit with gedit-plugins
[20:53] <raevol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/850376
[20:54] <raevol> banshee is pretty dependency heavy, of course it's also very nice, it's what i was using before i found beatbox
[20:54] <Olbi> Mousepad and Leafpad are like children instead of gEdit which is mature :)
[20:54] <charlie-tca> gedit has a lot of dependencies from gnome. Also, leafpad is a simple editor, which doesn't require the whole desktop.
[20:54] <Olbi> shame :(
[20:54] <charlie-tca> We also have abiword if you prefer more capability
[20:54] <Olbi> but is powerfull :)
[20:54] <Olbi> in abiword i cant programming simple scripts :P
[20:55] <charlie-tca> banshee is too resource intensive for us
[20:55] <Unit193> !info scite
[20:55] <charlie-tca> If you look at the comparisons, you will see we chose the lightest resource use with the best all around ability
[20:55] <charlie-tca> Recommendation:  geany for editing
[20:56] <charlie-tca> dependent on GTK, instead of GNOME, works well, has lots of options
[20:56] <Unit193> Leafpad is the best for default thoughg
[20:57] <charlie-tca> I will try scite if you think it is at least comparable to gedit/geany
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Olbi: why can you not do simple scripts in abiword? you can "save as" text with it.
[20:58] <Olbi> i like highlighting :)
[20:58] <charlie-tca> although I do use leafpad for that instead
[20:58] <Olbi> and gedit plugins rocks :D
[20:58] <Olbi> like embedded terminal :)
[20:58] <raevol> i think the default text editor should be very simple to use, it's not intended for development, it's intended for joe shmoe user to look in text files
[20:59] <raevol> if you're a developer you know how to install your own editor :P
[20:59] <Olbi> :)
[20:59] <charlie-tca> but gedit it tied pretty heavy to lots of gnome stuff
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Olbi: geany has a terminal too
[20:59] <Olbi> ok, so all done, gedit is too heavy  :D
[20:59] <charlie-tca> right
[21:00] <Olbi> but what now with musicplayer?
[21:00] <Olbi> gmusicbrowser is good but not best :)
[21:00] <raevol> gmusicplayer is probably the best of players that are light enough for xubuntu
[21:00] <Olbi> hasnt good support for players and pods, and streaming
[21:01] <charlie-tca> We are open to comparisons of musicplayers.
[21:01] <charlie-tca> If you find one that works well, and is still lightweight, we will look at it
[21:01] <charlie-tca> scite and geany seem to have about the same depends
[21:01] <Olbi> but is as I read on site comparison is easier for gui creation :]
[21:02] <Olbi> and more backends support
[21:02] <Unit193> I don't know what to say about scite as it isn't as good as Notepad++ but it's as close as you can get :/
[21:02] <Olbi> I think, gmusicborwser should have tabs in music window
[21:03] <Olbi> it is very usefull
[21:03] <charlie-tca> the gmusicbrowser developers are pretty open to suggestions and helping get the application to work for users.
[21:14] <raevol> i just want winamp on linux :(
[21:14] <raevol> winamp was perfect
[21:19] <Olbi> AIMP3 is much more better :D
[21:20] <raevol> i like winamp because of the interface, specifically the media library interface
[21:20] <raevol> what does the aimp3 library look like?
[21:20] <Olbi> Gmusicbrowser is written in Perl, isnt it too complicated?:P
[21:22] <charlie-tca> We don't modify, we just use
[21:22] <Olbi> strange irc channel #gmusicbrowser isnt on freenode
[21:22] <Olbi> cant join
[21:24] <Olbi> why there isn't alternate ISOs?
[21:24] <charlie-tca> There are today
[21:24] <Olbi> bad adress :P
[21:24] <Olbi> my fault
[21:24] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[21:25] <charlie-tca> but, they are broken, too
[21:25] <charlie-tca> They won't really install today
[21:25] <Olbi> i will check it :)
[21:25] <Olbi> that's why is 20110914.1
[21:26] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:40] <raevol> so, i am seeing this "sound menu" integration on a few things now
[21:41] <raevol> but when i installed that on xubuntu, it removed my menus from my windows
[21:41] <raevol> anyone know how to use the sound menu without it removing your menus?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> usually install xfce4-indicator instead of unity
[21:46] <mr_pouit> remove appmenu-gtk
[21:48] <raevol> i see, yea i think i was having that issue on my desktop, seems to work fine on my netbook, i'll check what i did to my desktop to mess it up when i get home
[21:49] <raevol> the indicator plugin seems to be a different color from my panel though
[21:49] <raevol> on might be because my panel has transparency
[21:49] <raevol> hmm yea xfce4-indicator doesn't theme based on the panel, it themes based on the system scheme
[21:50] <raevol> that's probably asking too much though haha
[21:52] <raevol> oh hey the indicator applet shows pidgin messages... i guess i can take the pidgin notification area icon away
[21:52] <raevol> this is what i get for customizing my desktop too much
[21:55] <raevol> now i just need my power icon to fit the theme...
[22:29] <Olbi> I try to talk with polish transaltors for Xubuntu nad send mail to one of them, but didnt recaive any answer yet :(
[22:33] <Olbi> and media player should be mplayer with some gui like smplayer or VLC cause of VDPAU and VA-API support
[22:33] <Olbi> today most ppl like high resolution video and it helps on olders computers :)
[22:39] <raevol> raevol
[22:39] <raevol> wrong window -_-
[23:26] <raevol> hmm, what's necessary to get my battery to show up in the indicator menu in xfce?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> add battery indicator to the panel?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> or at least add xfce4-battery-plugin to your system
[23:35] <raevol> yea, but i want the indicator-menu appearance to the icon
[23:35] <raevol> trying to make everything look nice
[23:43] <raevol> hmm, if i make my notification area 23 pixels it shows nicely
[23:43] <raevol> but any bigger and it changes the icon
[23:43] <raevol> that seems a little silly
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Yes, but smaller icons have less detail
[23:44] <charlie-tca> so it does make sense
[23:44] <raevol> well the smaller one is monochrome and the same style as the indicator menu
[23:44] <raevol> the larger one is colored and a completely different style
[23:45] <raevol> i know this is super nitpicky...
[23:45] <raevol> i probably need to contact the people who make xfce-power-manager and see what it would take to make an appindicator for it
[23:45] <raevol> which they will probably be less than thrilled out
[23:45] <charlie-tca> heh, yeah
[23:45] <charlie-tca> but worth asking, I suppose