[00:34] <leagris> bonsoir
[00:35] <BUGabundo_TBBT> boa noite leagris
[00:35]  * BUGabundo_TBBT was reading devel-disc ML for the 1st time in months
[00:37] <leagris> BUGabundo_TBBT, :)
[03:07] <Leftmost> When will updated GNOME packages start appearing on packages.u.c for maverick?
[04:25] <pepee> hi. can I ask something about lucid?
[04:25] <pepee> I mean, I have a problem...
[04:26] <Sensiva> pepee please read channel's topic
[04:26] <pepee> yeah, I know, but no one is helping me in #ubuntu
[04:27] <Sensiva> And no one would help you in here, this channel for the next release development
[04:27] <pepee> ok, thanks
[04:27] <pepee> bye
[07:11] <knittl> Ian_Corne: fix for CSD would be better ;)
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> humm...the smell of metal breakdown!does tap water fix that? /o\
[10:46] <BUGabundo_remote> I have to say, I love FLOSS development :D
[10:46] <BUGabundo_remote> Open a program, get a crash, report it, discuss it with the devs on IRC, go to sleep, awake up with two emails:
[10:46] <BUGabundo_remote> one saying its triaged; another saying its fixed in trunk
[10:47] <popey> BUGabundo_remote: yeah, thats one of the better things about FLOSS
[10:48] <BUGabundo_remote> also one of the reasons why I run Devel cycles :)
[10:50] <YaManicKill> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/LICD/~3/QcOZ4ON7aKM/20100527 - ha, thats fantastic
[10:51] <BUGabundo_remote> !ot | YaManicKill
[10:53] <YaManicKill> ooops, wrong room lol
[10:53] <YaManicKill> i meant to do it in the room next to this :-P
[10:53] <YaManicKill> ha
[10:53]  * YaManicKill walks out embarrased
[14:38] <z0rt|work> i like FLOSS b/c it promotes dental health
[14:57] <YaManicKill> does testdrive not work until the first alpha is out?
[14:59] <arand> YaManicKill: It needs an iso, so no.
[14:59] <YaManicKill> fairynuff. that'll be why it wasn't working then :-P
[15:09] <Pici> bsmith093: see, now you're here.
[15:09] <bsmith093> this is probably a stupid question, but what language is ubuntu written in? C? C sharp? C++?
[15:10] <Pici> Its not a stupid question, but its not really an on-topic question.  #ubuntu-offtopic would be the best place to discuss that.
[19:43] <dupondje> firefox issue already fixed ? :) want to upgrade :D
[19:58] <billybigrigger> has anyone heard anything about the new font, and its release?
[19:59] <BUGabundo> no
[19:59] <billybigrigger> ola
[20:00] <billybigrigger> is it supposed to be a new system font? or just for artwork?
[20:00] <arand> billybigrigger: system
[20:01]  * BUGabundo wonders when billybigrigger learned Portuguese just to satisfy me
[20:04] <arand> billybigrigger: http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3621745/ is fairly informative, I think.
[20:06] <arand> Woa, is the new homepage recent or have I just been using directlinks for too long?
[20:11] <dupondje> upgrade started :P
[20:18] <arand> dupondje: mind firefox + metacity = X  ;)
[20:18] <dupondje> to alte :P
[20:18] <dupondje> late*
[20:19] <arand> dupondje: It's easily patchable, but not released yet, I think.
[20:19] <dupondje> bugreport or ? :)
[20:20] <arand> Bug #584287
[20:25] <dupondje> aptitude should be multithreaded imo
[20:25] <dupondje> why not start installing packages while downloading ?
[20:27] <charlie-tca> As I recall, the reason given in the past was that it must first know which packages to install that do not need the packages that are not yet downloaded
[20:28] <BUGabundo> arand: the web page has like 4 days
[20:47] <BUGabundo> what does " sudo hald --daemon=no" do ??
[20:49] <ratcheer> Trying to install first maverick daily. Fails at "Select and install software". How do I report the problem on launchpad? No response so far in the launchpad channel.
[20:49] <poutine> it runs hald via sudo with the --daemon=no flag
[20:50] <dupondje> great :) upgrade stopped @ upgrading aiccu :
[20:51] <charlie-tca> ratcheer: normally wait a day, then report it against either ubiquity for daily-live or debian-installer for alternate
[20:51] <billybigrigger> i was thinking of waiting until A1 before upgrading, but dupondje just confirmed my questions about how safe it is to do so :P
[20:51] <charlie-tca> A lot of the installer get fixed overnight
[20:52] <ratcheer> charlie-tca: Thanks.
[20:53] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: that because you are late!
[20:53] <BUGabundo> you should be here before the 1st wrrk
[20:53] <BUGabundo> *week
[20:53] <BUGabundo> back then, there's NO problem at all
[20:53] <billybigrigger> haha
[20:53] <dupondje> BUGabundo: any idea how to make aiccu upgrade continue ?
[20:54] <dupondje> it sits there now, doing nothing :(
[20:54] <arand> Were are those liveCDs somewhere else than cdimage?
[20:54] <BUGabundo> arand: there are nt
[20:54] <BUGabundo> unitl A1
[20:54] <BUGabundo> dupondje: how is he upgrading ?
[20:54] <BUGabundo> aptitude full-upgrade?
[20:54] <arand> THen what on earth was ratcheer on about?
[20:55] <dupondje> BUGabundo: update-manager -d
[20:55] <ratcheer> arand: The alternate image.
[20:55] <arand> Has that been enabled now?
[20:55] <BUGabundo> erk
[20:55] <BUGabundo> does that even work??
[20:55] <dupondje> yep :P
[20:55]  * BUGabundo checks
[20:55] <charlie-tca> There is no alternate image yet for maverick
[20:55] <BUGabundo> wow
[20:55] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[20:55] <BUGabundo> alternate images are up
[20:56] <dupondje> it says: Configuration /conf1 differs from /conf2 ... and broken :(
[20:56] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: wrong
[20:56] <arand> Yep
[20:56] <ratcheer> charlie-tca: Yes, there is. I downloaded it, this morning.
[20:56] <dupondje> nothing happens anymore :(
[20:56] <BUGabundo> hahah
[20:56] <BUGabundo> poor charlie-tca.... speaking before confirming :)
[20:56] <charlie-tca> I did! I looked in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily
[20:57] <ratcheer> Destroyed my testing system, too.
[20:57] <BUGabundo> dupondje: abort, and aptitude full upgrade?
[20:57] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: its there! look again
[20:57] <dupondje> root      3672  0.0  0.0  42544   992 ?        Ssl  21:47   0:00 /usr/sbin/aiccu start
[20:57] <dupondje> was locked :) killed it, and it continues :D
[20:57] <dupondje> respect
[20:57] <dupondje> :D
[20:57] <BUGabundo> power to kill
[20:58] <charlie-tca> I guess I didn't scroll far enough
[20:58] <charlie-tca> It has both lucid and maverick in there
[21:01] <dupondje> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aiccu/+bug/544910
[21:01] <dupondje> exists since some time it seems :(
[21:11] <dupondje> and we are on Maverick /p
[21:11] <dupondje> firefox is flickering a bit :P
[21:13] <arand> dupondje: Is actually FF+metacity working on your side?
[21:13] <dupondje> firefox starts, but its blinking like hell :)
[21:14] <arand> Hmm, RAVE!
[21:14] <dupondje> and there seems to be an issue with bash_completion ?
[21:18] <dupondje> same issue on thunderbird also btw
[21:23] <knittl> and xterm and xmoto and blender and etc.
[21:23] <knittl> :D
[21:24] <knittl> and yes, bash completion also complains here
[21:24] <arand> This would be Bug #584287 right?
[21:24] <knittl> arand: jip
[21:24] <dupondje> fixed bash_completion
[21:24] <dupondje> but can't post patch ofc :P
[21:24] <knittl> seems trivial to fix
[21:25] <dupondje> any idea how I can easly fix firefox ? :D
[21:25] <arand> dupondje: chromium-browser seemed to work ok
[21:25] <knittl> downgrade metacity, install ppa or wait
[21:26] <knittl> epiphany does also work, but it crashes a lot (seems to be caused by flash)
[21:26] <dupondje> arand: you have link of a ppa ? :)
[21:26] <arand> dupondje: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/sandbox/+build/1753412  (32bit)
[21:26] <dupondje> a deb :) as I can't really surf atm :)
[21:26] <dupondje> got 64bit :(
[21:27] <arand> dupondje: ah hang on.
[21:28] <arand> dupondje: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/sandbox/+files/metacity_2.30.1-0ubuntu1+fta2_amd64.deb AND https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/sandbox/+files/metacity-common_2.30.1-0ubuntu1+fta2_all.deb AND https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/sandbox/+files/libmetacity-private0_2.30.1-0ubuntu1+fta2_amd64.deb
[21:30] <dupondje> thx dude ! :D
[21:31] <dupondje> its working now :)
[21:34] <arand> Quite distrubing how locked one becomes when the browser doesn't work :/
[21:34] <knittl> elinks still works!
[21:35] <knittl> but hehe, ya. i'm not surfing much without firefox—epiphany is no match
[21:38] <dupondje> yea its crazy, can't do shit without browser :)
[21:38] <knittl> imagine if everything was in the cloud and you are offline
[21:39] <knittl> chaos!
[21:55] <Hop> hi, any1 knows how to install evdev and lomoco properly with 10,04?
[21:55] <knittl> this is discussion for 10.10
[21:56] <Hop> oops
[21:56] <knittl> ;)
[21:59] <dupondje> fixing first maverick bugs :D
[21:59] <dupondje> hell yea :)
[22:08] <knittl> omg, ooo also crashes metacity :-/
[22:10] <andersk> The bash-completion problem is bug #546794.
[22:12] <billybigrigger> well i feel left out
[22:12] <billybigrigger> i was going to wait until a1, but screw this
[22:13] <billybigrigger> dupondje, you obviously sorted out your upgrade problem, yes?
[22:13] <dupondje> yep
[22:13] <dupondje> it was aiccu
[22:13] <dupondje> broken since 8.04 it seems :(
[22:13] <billybigrigger> never heard of it
[22:14] <billybigrigger> ipv6 stuff eh, well do you use ipv6? is that the problem?
[22:14] <billybigrigger> because i don't so if that's all the problem was i think it's time for me to take the plunge :P
[22:15] <dupondje> aiccu was foobar
[22:15] <dupondje> and metacity ofc
[22:15] <dupondje> but that was fixed bu the packages arand gave me
[22:16] <billybigrigger> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing <-- any word when that will be live?
[22:16] <billybigrigger> i guess around a1? would be nice to see what the showstopper bugs are (if any)
[22:17] <knittl> usually around a1
[22:25] <arand> billybigrigger: #ubuntu-testing might know, unless they're in hibrnation 'till A1
[22:36] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aiccu/+bug/544910 => debdiff attached :) if somebody feels to sponsor :P
[22:53] <bp0> three big trek auctions coming up
[22:53] <bp0> june 12 a pih one
[22:54] <bp0> august ~8th is the "official star trek" propworx one
[22:54] <bp0> at the las vegas con
[22:56] <bp0> and there is Juliens
[22:57] <bp0> the PIH one is the biggest
[22:57] <bp0> Balok head from TOS
[22:57] <bp0> so that's a big deal
[22:57] <bp0> a bunch of tricorders too
[23:04] <charlie-tca> !offtopic


[00:08] <geser> anyone else seeing connection timeouts when accessing edge?
[00:09] <crimsun> periodically, yes
[01:36] <kermiac> The same user I & numerous others reported is still at it
[01:36] <kermiac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntunerd-nospammail/+karma
[01:36] <kermiac> he created more issues approx 5 hrs ago & another bug task just over 1 min ago
[01:37] <kermiac> [21:40:10] <kermiac> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/100682
[01:47] <micahg> spm: can you take care of this ^^^
[01:50] <spm> kermiac: which bug has been modified?
[01:50] <spm> the most recent as in
[01:51] <kermiac> I'm not sure, must've been something I'm not subscribed to. Still looking atm. I just noticed he's been at it again, we're discussing it on #ubuntu-bugs atm
[01:52] <micahg> spm: bug 495361 is the latest 1 I have
[01:58] <kermiac> bug 446669 is from 6hrs ago - def after he received the warning
[01:59] <kermiac_> sorry, gotta afk for a while
[02:00] <persia> Um, we can't be sure that the warning was received, only that it was sent.
[02:00] <persia> Some people don't actually read email.
[02:01] <spm> And given the email address, I do wonder if it's been spam trapped or something
[02:02] <spm> persia: your thoughts? I'm about 90% inclined atm to suspend with a note that this is to encourage them to contact us asking why. ???
[02:03] <persia> spm: I'm unsure.  Had there not been an explicit time frame in the warning, I'd be all for suspending now.
[02:03] <spm> yeah. that's the other 10%... :-/
[02:03] <persia> As it is, I think that there would be benefit to sending another notice indicating that continued disruptive behaviour has shortened the timeframe.
[02:03] <spm> good idea; ta.
[02:04] <persia> But it seems to be the major topic of conversation in #ubuntu-bugs, which implies, to me, that it's keeping people from actually working on bugs, which is anti-productive.
[02:04] <lifeless> JFDI
[02:04] <persia> heh.   In the hope that they do contact us, or read their email... to find out why.
[02:08] <spm> thekorn: suspension. basically locked out.
[02:09] <spm> delete is typically only used in extreme cases; eg obvious spammers for drugs etc
[02:11] <thekorn> ok, so he can get a new @nospam address, setup a new account and start spamming again, and it will take some time again until this attrackts our attention
[02:11] <thekorn> let's hope this does not happen
[02:12] <thekorn> thanks for takeing care of him
[02:12] <micahg> spm: do you know anything about the interaction between bugzilla.mozilla.com and LP?
[02:13] <spm> micahg: a little; it's a moderate source of pain.
[02:13] <micahg> spm: will it break anything in LP if the LP acccount in bugzilla is disabled until we fix syncing?
[02:14] <spm> micahg: no idea; my 2c - do what you need to do; we'll pick up the pieces if needs be.
[02:14] <micahg> spm: k, thanks :)
[02:15] <micahg> upstream was getting frustrated :)
[02:15] <spm> heh, at worst, it identifies a bug in how that process deals with such an event. :-)
[02:15] <spm> fair cop
[02:15]  * wgrant wonders why spamming other bugtrackers isn't a critical bug.
[02:18]  * micahg agrees with wgrant
[02:18] <persia> thekorn: There's no sane way to identify individuals: only email addresses.
[02:20] <thekorn> persia, I know, so my idea is not not supsend such spammers and find ways to handle/revert their changes, in this case we would know who is spamming,
[02:21] <thekorn> maybe permanently redirecting them to staging
[02:21] <persia> thekorn: That's an interesting idea, but probably requires a lot of deep plumbing.
[03:16] <kermiac_> ty spm
[03:17] <spm> np
[08:30] <lool> Hey
[08:30] <lool> I'm facing a weird bug with membership
[08:31] <lool> I got a your membership will expire email in a team I'm admin of
[08:31] <lool> And I can't renew it
[08:31] <lool> https://launchpad.net/~plymouth-dev/+members
[08:31] <lool> I'm supposed to contact one of the *other* administrators for some reason
[08:58] <noodles775> lool, that is weird... one of the registry guys should be around later, but if you've time it'd be worth a bug so it doesn't get lost.
[09:04] <Lord-Readman> Any translations admins or mods here?
[09:05] <noodles775> dpm: ^^?
[09:05] <lool> noodles775: I filed 520848
[09:06] <dpm> Lord-Readman, what's your question (I'm not an LP developer but I can manage the translations imports queue, if that is what you need)
[09:06] <Lord-Readman> well I have approved imports, but they are not imported
[09:07] <Lord-Readman> and usually they do it at the same time
[09:07] <Lord-Readman> what is the difference?
[09:09] <Lord-Readman> https://translations.launchpad.net/~robert-readman/+imports I have 4 approved
[09:09] <Lord-Readman> but not imported
[09:10] <Lord-Readman> if you could take a look dpm that would be great
[09:11] <dpm> Lord-Readman, ah, it's an Ubuntu import. I can take a look, but in the future you might want to ask at #ubuntu-translators where more Ubuntu people with admin rights on the imports queue can have a look at it as well
[09:12] <Lord-Readman> ah sorry
[09:12] <dpm> Lord-Readman, it's just as fine to ask here, no need to apologise :-)
[09:18] <dpm> Lord-Readman, it did not get imported automatically because the importer is trying to figure out the language. I've approved it manually, so no worries, but on subsequent imports I'd recommend changing the name of the PO files you upload to simply en_GB.po, which will speed up the process of them getting imported. In any case, the "Will be imported into English (United Kingdom) (en_GB) translation of virt-manager in Ubuntu Lucid package "virt-manager"" mes
[09:18] <dpm> sage in the imports queue entry shows that it would have been imported eventually
[09:19] <Lord-Readman> ah I normally just upload with the same filename as it gave on the download
[13:18] <edakiri> When searching for bugs within project usb-creator, i am unable to create a search returning bug #457721.  Am I doing something wrong or is there a bug in launchpad?
[13:21] <wgrant> edakiri: That's a bug in the Ubuntu package of usb-creator. Try searching at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator
[13:39] <edakiri> is there a way to get from 'pick a project' to the +source part?
[13:40] <edakiri> "Search bug reports: One Project: Choose" is what i mean by 'pick a project' .  https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[13:41] <maxb> no
[15:24] <_stink_> hey folks.  i want to submit a feature request for LP, but if i go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad, there aren't any open bugs.  maybe they're all closed, but this makes me think i should be going elsewhere to submit this.  advice?
[15:43] <deryck> _stink_, we generally file bugs against the launchpad components, i.e. malone, rosetta, soyuz, launchpad-code, launchpad-registry, or launchpad-foundations.
[15:44] <deryck> _stink_, but if you can't work out where to file, you can file against /launchpad and we'll re-target it.
[15:44] <_stink_> deryck: rock on, thanks
[15:44] <deryck> np
[16:01] <lfaraone> Hi, can somebody add a redirect from ~dcteam to ~ubuntu-dc?
[16:01] <lfaraone> * ~ubuntu-us-dc
[16:48] <andrea-bs> lpRN]eIWRe>
[17:12] <persia> andrea-bs: You may want to check backscroll, and, depending on what you find, take some action.
[17:15] <andrea-bs> persia: oops! :-( thank you for the info
[17:16] <persia> andrea-bs: Sorry it took so long to notice :)
[18:21] <tlyu> Launchpad claims it pulls external bug status daily but it looks like #512459 hasn't updated since 2010-02-08 from its corresponding Debian bug. what's up with that?
[18:22] <lfaraone> tlyu: bug status is slightly borked from debian.
[18:22] <deryck> tlyu, we're doing lots of work on our bug syncing currently.  So it can be hit or miss currently.  By sometime in April, this should be solid again.
[18:23] <tlyu> thanks. will unlinking and relinking the bug cause it to update?
[18:23] <deryck> tlyu, no.
[18:24] <deryck> tlyu, the updates are processed offline from Launchpad.  This is part of what we're changing to, so that you can force an update from the UI.
[18:24] <tlyu> ok. if i want the Launchpad state to accurately reflect Debian, should i adjust it manually?
[18:31] <deryck> tlyu, you have to remove the bug watch to update manually.
[18:50] <deryck> jcastro, ping
[18:51] <jcastro> deryck, hi!
[18:55] <micahg> allenap: thanks for working on that syncing bug :)
[20:23] <lfaraone> hi, I'm trying to checkout launchpad using rocketfuel-setup, and bzr is consuming over 900MB, causing my computer to start swapping to disk.
[20:24] <lfaraone> is this *supposed* to happen?
[20:39] <maxb> lfaraone: yikes.... is it going over bzr+ssh or http?
[20:40] <lfaraone> maxb: the latter, I think.
[20:40] <lfaraone> maxb: uh, actually it might be http, I didn't give it my launchpad credentials..
[20:41] <maxb> Well, do you have a ssh key in launchpad, and that ssh key available locally? If not we can rule ssh out straight away
[20:41] <lfaraone> maxb: okay, it's not SSH then :)
[20:42] <maxb> right... well, I've found bzr's dumb http to be pretty awful about big branches
[20:43] <lfaraone> (currently using virt: 1162m, that's more ram than I have on the system!)
[20:43] <lfaraone> maxb: so this is a bug, I take it.
[20:44] <lfaraone> maxb: is there another transport I can use with launchpad, without putting an SSH key on the computer?
[20:45] <maxb> No, there isn't
[20:47] <maxb> I'm trying it here .... not only is it doing a dreadful job of saturating my bandwidth, it's swiftly heading in the direction of a gig of mem
[20:49] <maxb> I killed it because it was getting shockingly slow
[20:50] <maxb> huh, even bzr+ssh seems to have just stalled, too
[20:51] <maxb> This is ridiculous
[20:52] <maxb> I can now safely say that if I needed to branch launchpad afresh, I'm not sure I could, with it behaving the way it is
[20:52] <lifeless> lfaraone: what bzr version ?
[20:52] <lifeless> maxb: and yours ?
[20:53] <maxb> lp:bzr/2.1
[20:53] <lfaraone> lifeless: Bazaar (bzr) 2.0.2
[20:53] <lifeless> lfaraone: 2.1 is a lot better at memory in theory ;)
[20:53] <lifeless> maxb: C extensions built ?
[20:53] <lfaraone> lifeless: well, I'm using what's in the repos.
[20:53] <maxb> lifeless: yes
[20:53] <lifeless> maxb: file a bug please
[20:53] <maxb> So theory isn't being borne out in practice
[20:54] <maxb> lifeless: I'm assuming that "make" in the tree will have done the right thing?
[20:54] <maxb> It certainly looked like it did
[20:54] <lifeless> maxb: make will build the extensions, yes.
[20:55] <lifeless> maxb: if you have bzrlib/*.so numbering ~5 then it did
[20:55] <maxb> I have 14
[20:56] <lifeless> yeah thats fine
[20:58] <maxb> um. Is it expected that I have time to go make a cup of coffee whilst 'bzr heads' runs on my ~/launchpad/lp-branches?
[20:58]  * persia thinks it's the new bzr caffiene-level-check feature running in the background
[20:59] <persia> (or would that be "check-caffiene-level" to match the naming convention?)
[20:59] <lifeless> nothing is expected
[20:59] <lifeless> but I doubt heads uses the fast apis available in 2.1 yet
[21:00] <maxb> There's "fast" and there's "so slow the command might as well not exist" :-/
[21:00] <lifeless> get an lsprof dump of it and file a bug; we can go from there
[21:02] <lfaraone> hm. bazaar is still using 350~mb of ram in ssh+bzr transport mode.
[21:02] <lfaraone> which isn't *as* terrible :)
[21:03] <lifeless> it will be doing far fewer round trips too
[21:03] <lifeless> server side processing is much more efficient
[21:05] <persia> fewer round trips sounds lovely :)
[21:26] <maxb> lfaraone: success yet? :-)
[21:26] <lfaraone> maxb: "[#########\          ] 171815KB   556KB/s | Fetching revisions:Inserting stream                       "
[21:27] <maxb> mhm
[21:27] <maxb> The protocol is annoyingly inefficient
[21:27] <lfaraone> good news is it's only using 108m
[21:28] <maxb> An entire devel repo is only 155MB of data
[21:29] <lfaraone> maxb: uh, should I worry about "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/shipit/trunk/"."
[21:29] <maxb> No, that bit's Canonical-proprietary
[21:47] <lfaraone> maxb: now we're working! if only "make schema" were to work more quickly... :)
[23:05] <zobi1> Yesterday, I created a Launchpad branch for our translations to be exported to. Then, I created an empty bazaar branch on my local machine (bzr init) and finally pushed it to Launchpad (bzr push --use-existing-dir lp:wiserearth). I expected the transltion files to be exported to this branch since I associated the two. I still have an empty branch. What step am I missing?
[23:22] <lifeless> zobi1: you ran bzr init twice; don't do that for a single project
[23:22] <lifeless> zobi1: 'init' makes something brand new, what you want is 'branch' - make a new branch of something you've already got
[23:23] <zobi1> lifeless: I don't have anything I would like to put in. I would like to get an export of the translation files that are on Launchpad.
[23:23] <lifeless> hmm, I'm not sure enough of the code bits here sorry
[23:25] <zobi1> lifeless: when I set up the new branch on Launchpad as an export branch for the existing translation files on Launchpad, I expected the branch to be populated with those files. But for some reason that is not happening.
[23:26] <wgrant> It only happens once a day, I believe.
[23:27] <zobi1> For some reason the documentation assumes certain steps to be taken by the users, rather than walk you through.
[23:27] <zobi1> wgrant: I set this up 2 days ago.
[23:27] <zobi1> Anyway to find out what time of the day the export happens?


[15:29] <gordonjcp> hello
[15:30] <gordonjcp> is there a way in Mate to set a keyboard shortcut for the main menu, like when you click on "Menu" at the top left?
[15:40] <m4t> gordonjcp: it's alt-f1 by default
[15:40] <m4t> Preferences -> Hardware -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Show the panel's main menu
[15:41] <m4t> may depend on which menu you're using though. i'm using the old style one
[15:52] <gordonjcp> m4t: no, that does something completely different
[15:52] <gordonjcp> that looks like a context menu
[15:52] <m4t> works for me.
[15:53] <gordonjcp> okay, let me get a screenshot to show you what I mean
[15:53] <m4t> did you check keyboard shortcuts?
[15:53] <gordonjcp> yes
[15:54] <gordonjcp> that says "main menu", but it doesn't look like the menu you get when you click on the "Menu" icon at the top
[15:54] <m4t> ya you must be using a new menu applet
[15:54] <gordonjcp> this is in Ubuntu 22.04
[15:54] <gordonjcp> so possibly
[15:55] <gordonjcp> hm, having the menu up prevents PrtScr from working, that's a bit hilarious
[15:58] <sixwheeledbeast> It's Alt+F1 for me too
[16:00] <gordonjcp> I'll have to take photographs of the screen, like it was the 90s
[16:01] <gordonjcp> sixwheeledbeast: what does Alt-F1 pop up for you?
[16:02] <sixwheeledbeast> I use Traditional Layout so the Application Menu.
[16:04] <gordonjcp> hm, that doesn't really tell me a lot
[16:10] <gordonjcp> right
[16:11] <gordonjcp> when I press alt-f1 I get https://gjcp.net/altf1.jpg but what I would like to get is https://gjcp.net/mainmenu.jpg
[16:11] <gordonjcp> does that make any sense?
[16:17] <sixwheeledbeast> I get a variation of the first image, the other newer menu may have some other name.
[16:22] <sixwheeledbeast> Alt-F1 being that menu isn't wrong (it's what i want for my layout), but isn't logical for that newer layout I suppose.
[16:25] <sixwheeledbeast> It maybe something you can set/change with dconf but I wouldn't know where exactly.
[16:28] <gordonjcp> :-/
[16:32] <gordonjcp> any idea what it would be called?
[16:40] <sixwheeledbeast> Does Super Key on it's own not work?
[16:41] <gordonjcp> is that the "flag" key?
[16:41] <sixwheeledbeast> I think they switched to the Brisk Menu which i am not fond of. So I have the Traditional Layout and Classic Menu.
[16:41] <gordonjcp> don't know, don't have one on this compact keyboard, let me dig a USB keyboard out and try it
[16:41] <sixwheeledbeast> Like the "Windows" key
[16:42] <gordonjcp> not sure what that is
[16:42] <gordonjcp> the one with the little flag on?
[16:42] <sixwheeledbeast> Brisk was used to provide Super key support
[16:42] <sixwheeledbeast> Between Ctrl and Alt
[16:42] <gordonjcp> yeah
[16:43] <sixwheeledbeast> That should bring up the Brisk Menu if you have a layout with the Brisk menu
[16:43] <sixwheeledbeast> If not I have no idea.
[16:44] <sixwheeledbeast> Maybe some other shortcut has collided with it if you changed them
[16:45] <gordonjcp> no, this is just default
[16:45] <gordonjcp> it worked before in 20.04, but I don't know what I did for that
[16:45] <sixwheeledbeast> The idea was that Super Key would open the brisk menu with the search box in famillar layout. I much prefer the Classic Alt-F1 and Alt-F2 from gnome 2.
[16:45] <sixwheeledbeast> the super key worked or Alt-F2?
[16:45] <gordonjcp> alt-f1
[16:46] <gordonjcp> alt-f2 has always popped up a "run command" box
[16:46] <gordonjcp> I don't see why alt-f1 is useful
[16:46] <gordonjcp> you still need to pick up the mouse to use the menu
[16:46] <sixwheeledbeast> You are opening the menu to select with arrow keys. I use both.
[16:47] <gordonjcp> yeah, I see that the arrow keys work now, but that's even more annoying
[16:47] <sixwheeledbeast> I have used those two for over a decade so used to them.
[16:48] <sixwheeledbeast> Not sure i don't have 22.04 or that layout to try and help.
[16:48] <gordonjcp> no worries :-)
[16:48] <gordonjcp> yeah I absolutely hated the way the menus worked in Gnome 1
[16:48] <gordonjcp> Gnome 2 was such an improvement


[09:03] <airurando> ha! The Dublin release party got a mention in last weeks uwn videocast.
[09:03] <airurando> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hng2Lxx2fgw
[09:03] <czajkowski> yay
[09:06] <slashbel> not sure if we can make the release party, we may be in England that weekend
[09:07] <airurando> slashbel :-(
[09:08] <slashbel> my Dad is scheduled to be in hospital that weekend, so tempted to book flights and go visit
[09:09] <slashbel> nothing serious, routine stuff but it's always good to receive visitors when sat around in hospital
[09:10] <airurando> absolutely, I hope it all goes well.
[18:47] <airurando> tdr112: did you get my email re: screws?
[18:53] <tdr112> i did
[18:54] <tdr112> been too bust  to look up the code for you
[18:54] <airurando> no rush
[18:54] <airurando> thanks
[19:21] <chrono800> 8-)hey guys, how are you all this evening??
[19:30] <airurando> evenin' chrono800
[19:53] <chrono800> how's things airurando?
[19:59] <airurando> not to bad chrono800
[19:59] <airurando> and with you?
[20:27] <chrono800> good thanks, busy...!
[20:33] <chrono800> how is your leg healing itself, airurando?
[20:34] <airurando> sure
[20:34] <airurando> sore


[09:06] <alan_g> tjaalton: yes, it looks the same. A guy we both know has offered to help (but he's not up yet). That may be quicker than trying to learn it ourselves.
[09:44] <alan_g> tjaalton: I've just spotted your name on the SRU Wiki. I'm trying to update Mir in Xenial so that IoT can dispense with the overlay PPA (bug 1685186). Is this something you can help me with?
[10:27] <tjaalton> alan_g: I can ack stuff on the queue, yes
[10:33] <alan_g> tjaalton: that sounds like a step forward. Thanks.
[10:35]  * alan_g is suffering from xml (in the mesa code)
[10:44] <alan_g> tjaalton: I think src/intel/vulkan/anv_entrypoints_gen.py should be generating the function declaration, but I need to figure out how it is supposed to work.
[11:13] <alan_g> tjaalton: I'm still not set up to try a full build, but you need 'VK_KHR_mir_surface' in SUPPORTED_EXTENSIONS in src/intel/vulkan/anv_entrypoints_gen.py
[11:16] <tjaalton> alan_g: oh, I'll try that out
[11:17] <tjaalton> thanks
[11:17] <alan_g> np, someone needs to grok this stuff. I have to start somewhere.
[11:21]  * alan_g is wondering which (if any) laptop deserves Artful at this time
[11:24] <tjaalton> alan_g: new errors this time :)
[11:25] <alan_g> Nice!
[11:25] <tjaalton> vulkan/anv_entrypoints.c:712:5: error: unknown field ‘CreateMirSurfaceKHR’ specified in initializer
[11:25] <tjaalton> etc
[11:27] <alan_g> Well, that's protected by #ifdef VK_USE_PLATFORM_MIR_KHR - so let me see where that should come from...
[11:28] <alan_g> Actually, no. it's a void* otherwise
[11:30] <tjaalton> -> afk, will check back in a bit
[11:33] <alan_g> tjaalton: does struct anv_dispatch_table in your anv_entrypoints.h not have a CreateMirSurfaceKHR member? Running that python script here generates it OK, maybe you just need to clean it?
[11:52] <tjaalton> perhaps I shouldn't be running sbuild but a chroot
[11:59]  * alan_g doesn't need to cross build often enough to learn the tools.
[12:03] <tjaalton> uh, chroot build passes fine
[12:05] <tjaalton> anv_entrypoints.h looks fine
[12:05] <tjaalton> which is hardly surprising at this point
[12:05] <tjaalton> anyway, guess it's on me to figure out why the package build fails
[12:05] <tjaalton> using the upstream tarball & autoreconf
[12:23] <tjaalton> yeah, the tarball comes with anv_entrypoints.c/h so they're not regenerated
[13:06] <alan_g> tjaalton: I'll leave you to deal with that then
[13:07] <tjaalton> removing just those two didn't help :(
[13:07] <tjaalton> oh well
[13:22] <tjaalton> ha, typoed the removal, works after all
[13:23] <alan_g> \o/
[14:11] <alan_g> tjaalton: abut the SRU bug above. Who (that's left) can get it targeted to xenial?
[14:22] <tjaalton> alan_g: anyone on ubuntu-bugsquad or what was it called.. if you mean the technical bit of modifying the bug to show that
[14:24] <tjaalton> as for allowing the update to enter proposed, maybe get some buy-in from #ubuntu-release first
[14:24] <tjaalton> then anyone on the sru team can be more confident in letting it in
[14:37] <xnox> alan_g, what's the bug number?
[14:38] <alan_g> xnox: bug 1685186
[14:39] <xnox> alan_g, the package should land into unapproved queue.
[14:39] <xnox> alan_g, meaning somebody needs to publish the silo.
[14:39] <xnox> then ubuntu-sru team will review the unapproved queue
[14:40] <sil2100> I can potentially take a look at if if needed
[14:40] <sil2100> *it
[14:40] <sil2100> This will need an archive admin for final approval anyway
[14:42] <ogra_> how do you make sure the mir-kiosk based snaps keep working ? (snapcraft will have used what was in the archive at the time of the snap build to link against libmirclient)
[14:43] <ogra_> i.e. is 0.26 fully backwards compatible so it doesnt break existing deployments out there ?
[14:48] <sil2100> Seeing the number of ABI bumps, that would be 'no'
[14:48] <alan_g> ogra_: 0.26 is what is in the stable phone overlay
[14:48] <alan_g> and the "mir snaps" are built with that
[14:49] <sil2100> Anyway, this needs to first go through an archive-admin anyway, I guess it's best if the review is done by someone with the proper powers
[14:49] <ogra_> alan_g, even the client apps ?
[14:49] <alan_g> Getting 0.26 into xenial means we can stop using the overlay
[14:50] <alan_g> ogra_: client apps should be using mir-libs
[14:50] <alan_g> And that uses overlay
[14:51] <ogra_> alan_g, ok
[14:52] <alan_g> xnox: @"somebody needs to publish the silo." - how do I make that happen?
[14:57] <xnox> alan_g, get an Archive Admin to review it on e.g. #ubuntu-ci-eng due to ABI bumps. For example, I would recommend pinging slangasek but I'm not sure if he is available today.


[00:53] <ScottL> stochastic, ping
[02:16] <holstein> hey bobweaver :)
[02:16] <ScottL> hi bobweaver
[02:16] <holstein> ScottL is the project lead
[02:16] <holstein> ScottL: i just grabbed bobweaver from #ubuntu-beginners
[02:16] <bobweaver> Hello ScottL
[02:17] <ScottL> bobweaver, are you interested in ubuntu studio?
[02:17] <bobweaver> Yes I am
[02:17] <holstein> he's a gold start supporter in the *-beginners channel
[02:17] <holstein> and was asking about how to get more involved helping
[02:17] <bobweaver> thanks holstein  !!
[02:18] <holstein> maybe something to put on the resume
[02:18] <holstein> and i told him we need more code-minded folk
[02:18] <holstein> to help with backporting and maintaining our upcomping LTS :)
[02:18] <ScottL> absolutely!
[02:19] <ScottL> is there particular type of task you would like to assist with?  or would you like me to run down a few topics?
[02:19] <bobweaver> topics would be great ! thanks
[02:19] <ScottL> we are going to need testers
[02:20] <ScottL> for general testing throughout the cycle which includes both QA ISO image testing and actual performance testing
[02:20] <ScottL> the QA stuff is only about once a month
[02:20] <ScottL> the other is usually for only specific items we are concenred with
[02:20] <ScottL> we will need specific testers perhaps for the -lowlatency kernel we are tyring to get into ubuntu studio
[02:21] <ScottL> the broader the hardware available for tetsing the better
[02:21] <bobweaver> ScottL,  would you like to see lshw ?
[02:21] <holstein> yeah, virtualbox, netbooks... supercomputers ;)
[02:21] <holstein> whatever
[02:21] <ScottL> we will be moving towards a live dvd and incorporating a patched ubiquity
[02:21] <ScottL> bobweaver, sure :)
[02:22] <bobweaver> ScottL,  I had to patch ubqity on a distro that I made :>)
[02:22] <ScottL> super cool :)  we will be stealing much from what edubuntu does, but having experience should make it even easier i hope
[02:23] <ScottL> bobweaver, the idea with the ubiquity patch is to allow users to select specific work flows during installation and download those packages
[02:23] <ScottL> this allows us to support specific work flows and tool chains without having to make everyone download every app when they will not use most of them
[02:24] <ScottL> we will most likely ship a standard set of workflow packages on the dvd though
[02:24] <ScottL> we will be also updating our wallpaper, theme, UI, and lightdm theme this cycle
[02:25] <ScottL> holstein, this is the guy i talked to today who said he's coming back to canonical but wants to help us as well, he has recording experience too
[02:25] <ScottL> https://launchpad.net/~awe
[02:25] <ScottL> bobweaver, how does any of that sound to you?
[02:25] <ScottL> we have other stuff as well, like updating documentation and other kinda tedious, menial stuff as well
[02:26] <bobweaver> that all sounds GREAT  http://paste.ubuntu.com/726901/
[02:26] <bobweaver> that is hardware inso
[02:26] <bobweaver> info *
[02:27] <bobweaver> I am the kinda person that might need some direction  but I am supper willling to help
[02:27] <bobweaver> what I mean by that is
[02:28] <bobweaver> I might need to be told what to do
[02:28] <bobweaver> kinda shy
[02:28] <bobweaver> But I want to jump in with you great people :>)
[02:28] <ScottL> bobweaver, it looks like you are using the onboard audio on that laptop
[02:29] <ScottL> but sure, we can provide direction on stuff to help with
[02:29] <bobweaver> so like docs and vector stuff gimp and pretty good at
[02:29] <ScottL> did holstein say you have done coding?  or was that someone else?
[02:29] <bobweaver> I have
[02:29]  * ScottL is checking backscroll
[02:30] <ScottL> okay, which language?  python maybe?
[02:30] <ScottL> done any GUI work with the programming, glade perhaps?  or qt?
[02:30] <bobweaver> sure I know python perl lisp lua luna c c++ c# ect
[02:30] <ScottL> LOL...rock on man!
[02:30] <ScottL> i've never even heard of lua :)
[02:31] <bobweaver> lua is great scripting lan
[02:31] <ScottL> yeah, yeah...we can probably find you something to code later on :)
[02:31] <bobweaver> fast
[02:31] <bobweaver> lua is WOW
[02:31] <ScottL> here's a quick thumbnail of where we are at currently
[02:31] <bobweaver> I think
[02:32] <ScottL> last release sucked for some very specific reasons
[02:32] <ScottL> it was extremely functional but not pretty
[02:32] <ScottL> and there have been some major milestone improvements we have been trying to get done for years
[02:32] <ScottL> this cycle we make it pretty and get those milestone improvements done
[02:32] <ScottL> these generally include the things i mentioned previously
[02:33] <ScottL> i.e.
[02:33] <ScottL> 1. lowlatency kernel
[02:33] <ScottL> 2. live dvd
[02:33] <ScottL> 3. update website
[02:33] <ScottL> 4. update theme and UI
[02:33] <ScottL> and wallpaper
[02:33] <ScottL> 5. update lightdm theme
[02:33] <ScottL> we get that and i think we are pretty good
[02:33] <ScottL> holstein, did i miss anything for 12.04?
[02:34] <ScottL> heh, he might be busy or afk for a bit
[02:34] <holstein> ScottL: i dont think so
[02:34] <holstein> yeah, i just made it back in the door
[02:34] <ScottL> oh, good :)
[02:34] <holstein> looks good
[02:34] <ScottL> but bobweaver, we do have some long range goals that include some coding stuff
[02:34] <bobweaver> I would say for this up and coming project I I am best fit in cat 3,4and 5
[02:34] <ScottL> doesn't mean we can't start on it now though
[02:34] <bobweaver> ScottL,  yes I do
[02:35] <ScottL> bobweaver, do you know about lightdm and theming it?
[02:35] <bobweaver> yes a little
[02:35] <ScottL> that's probably our weak link right now
[02:35] <ScottL> .g UDS
[02:35] <ScottL> bleargh
[02:35] <bobweaver> are you also doing a neew plymouth ?
[02:35] <holstein> i should get thelonius over here though
[02:36] <ScottL> yeah, i keep doing that holstein :P
[02:36] <holstein> whats the deal with bots in this channel?
[02:36] <holstein> its not logged right?
[02:36] <holstein> eh... for later..
[02:36] <ScottL> bobweaver, we hadn't really planned on it, it looks fairly decent compared to the other items, but if we have time then i wouldn't mind it
[02:37] <bobweaver> ScottL,  do you want me to sign a ND ?
[02:37] <bobweaver> non -=disclose
[02:37] <ScottL> non disclosure?  naw
[02:37] <ScottL> this is all open source stuff, it's all available in the repository, including source code
[02:37] <holstein> yup
[02:37] <ScottL> but back to lightdm, here's the deal
[02:38] <holstein> you can sign a disclosure agreement ;)
[02:38] <ScottL> ubuntu with unity is really freaking up the unity-lightdm-greeter package
[02:38] <ScottL> i'm l;earning a abit about this at UDS in florida
[02:38] <bobweaver> you are at the dev summit lucky !
[02:38] <ScottL> so luke, i.e. the.muso, is suggesting that we use the lightdm engine or backend but use the gtk-lightdm-theme
[02:39] <ScottL> or whatever the pakcage names are
[02:39] <ScottL> apparently the guys working on the unity-greeter are making it really, really fancy with stuff we don't need and hardcoding stuff which will make it difficult to make it work how we want
[02:40] <ScottL> bobweaver, it's really exciting being here, but it's a complete drain on me mentally and physically
[02:40] <bobweaver> :>)
[02:40] <ScottL> i'm starting to have trouble seeing properly and i'm getting really tired
[02:42] <bobweaver> get some sleep
[02:42] <bobweaver> we are on the same time line
[02:42] <ScottL> bobweaver, i'm okay for now, i need to get some stuff done tonight and this is important as well
[02:42] <ScottL> this is a good page to keep up with:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ContributeToDevelopment
[02:42] <ScottL> i'll be updating it tonight and tomorrow with some of the stuff we talked about and more
[02:42] <bobweaver> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/josephmills     <--me
[02:43] <ScottL> bobweaver, but back to #3, #4, and #5
[02:43] <ScottL> thanks
[02:43] <bobweaver> np
[02:43] <ScottL> #3 is probably well covered
[02:43] <ScottL> and #4 we will be stealing quite a bit from xubuntu, although you are welcome here as well
[02:43] <ScottL> and #5 probably needs help as we discussed
[02:44] <bobweaver> cool
[02:45] <bobweaver> I will read everything that I can tonight
[02:45] <bobweaver> also can you get me more info on what you have heard there please
[02:46] <bobweaver> maybe email me in the next day or so
[02:46] <bobweaver> or when ever
[02:46] <bobweaver> can I also get what you guys have right now
[02:46] <bobweaver> is there daily builds ?>
[02:46] <ScottL> bobweaver, let me find a few links for you
[02:47] <bobweaver>  I am going to DL the os right now
[02:47] <ScottL> here is where the dailies will be built:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[02:47] <ScottL> oh, they are not being built right now i believe
[02:47] <ScottL> it's showing the last for oneiric i think
[02:48] <bobweaver> cool
[02:48] <ScottL> finding other links, connection is slow....
[02:48] <bobweaver> sweet
[02:48] <ScottL> here is our current code for our lightdm theme:  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme
[02:49] <ScottL> xubuntu will be making changes as well during this cycle (they are in the same position) and we may coordinate about that with them
[02:49] <bobweaver> that is Great
[02:49] <ScottL> but i certainly would not be upset if we lead the way in this and then helped them out for a change ;)
[02:50]  * bobweaver grins
[02:50] <holstein> yeah, id like to see that too
[02:50] <holstein> that team is really why we have a release this cycle
[02:51] <ScottL> the theme, UI, and wallpaper is a bit messier because it's spread across various packages though and i'm not sure how it aligns with xubuntu's packages
[02:51] <ScottL> maybe we should wait a bit until someone from xubuntu is back next week or so
[02:51] <ScottL> i can talk to mica though while i'm here about who we should talk to in xubuntu-devel about the theming, holstein
[02:52] <ScottL> bobweaver, even if you start with concept "sketches" (via gimp or inkscape or whatever) for the lightdm theme, we'd love to see them and give some guidance
[02:53] <bobweaver> that sounds Great
[02:53] <ScottL> holstein, i still want to do a OMG!UbuntuStudio! blog ;)
[02:54] <bobweaver> I am also pulling apart the souce code for light dm
[02:54] <bobweaver> source *
[02:54] <holstein> yup :)
[02:54] <bobweaver> I like it alot simple
[02:55] <ScottL> cool, bobweaver, i'll talk to someone tomorrow about some issue with lightdm as well and feed it back to you
[02:55] <ScottL> bobweaver, are you a graphics kinda guy too?  can you make wallpapers?
[02:55] <bobweaver> that sounds wonderfull
[02:55] <bobweaver> oh yeah
[02:55] <bobweaver> icons
[02:55] <bobweaver> and what not also
[02:56] <ScottL> okay, later in the week i'll try to get you some ideas for wallpapers, etc
[02:56] <ScottL> i think it would be nice to have a "theme" across the wallpaper and lightdm background
[02:56] <bobweaver> I know when I was doing my distro I was always looking for vector  work for icons
[02:56] <ScottL> and i think i can do it conceptually
[02:57] <ScottL> holstein, do you have another five minutes to work on the etherpad a little more for tonight?
[02:57] <bobweaver> I think that a theme sounds like a good idea
[02:57] <ScottL> i'm tired but i would like to finish that to a certain stage if we can
[02:57] <ScottL> bobweaver, i saw a really cool image yesterday that was inspirational
[02:57] <holstein> im there! :)
[02:58] <bobweaver> ScottL,  cool pictures ??
[02:59] <ScottL> bobweaver, i wish i did!  now i have to see if they scheduled another session, sneak in, and take a picture
[02:59]  * bobweaver nods
[03:39] <ScottL> holstein, one more thing, what do you think about making a visual design statment by using the ubuntu monospace font
[03:39] <ScottL> http://design.canonical.com/2010/11/the-monospace-is-coming/
[03:40] <holstein> a statement like 'i dont really care for the ubuntu-monospace font' ;)
[03:40] <holstein> ScottL: nah, what do you have in mind?
[03:41] <holstein> something like what we have, but with this font?
[03:45] <ScottL> it was just a thought, but yeah, just switching to a different font but keeping stuff the same
[03:45] <ScottL> xubuntu uses droid which might be slightly small
[03:45] <holstein> i like what we got too
[03:46] <ScottL> that's cool then, was just thinking about stuff
[03:46] <holstein> theres a sense of branding that i dont mind keeping
[03:46] <ScottL> i wouldn't even mind change the Circle of Friends (CoF)
[03:47] <ScottL> did you know that the circles in the CoF is supposed to be audio waves?
[03:47] <ScottL> i don't know how many know that
[03:47] <ScottL> okay, going to bed now but leaving irc open
[03:48] <holstein> nah
[03:48] <holstein> OH... you mean the logo?
[03:48] <holstein> yeah, i did know that
[10:25] <ailo> Hello guys
[10:25] <ailo> ScottL, How are things going?
[10:31] <ailo> Could someone ask abogani not to update his kernels faster than Ubuntu does. Usually he doesn't, but now, in order to get nvidia drivers working, you need kernel headers, and they are uninstallable as long as -generic headers are not existing as well
[10:51] <ScottL> hello ailo , how are you?!
[10:51] <ScottL> we haven't talked in a while, my friend
[10:52] <ScottL> we have been working on with the kernel team to set up a nice working relationship to get the -lowlatency kernel into the repos
[10:52] <ScottL> i believe we will get it down this cycle (as long as the kernel guys keep their end of the bargain)
[10:52] <ScottL>
[10:53] <ScottL> hallo shnatsel , i spoke wih the ubiquity patch dev yesterday
[10:53] <shnatsel> ScottL: hello!
[10:53] <ScottL> he seems very keen in us using his patch (and maybe helping to maintain it too)
[10:53] <shnatsel> ScottL: great!
[10:53] <shnatsel> yay!
[10:53] <ScottL> the guy seems rather brilliant
[10:54] <shnatsel> ScottL: have you met the cdimage team yet?
[10:54] <ScottL> shnatsel, holstein and i were talking last night about how we should handle this transition as well
[10:54] <ScottL> no, i have not met the cdimage team, per se
[10:54] <shnatsel> ScottL: that patch kinda defines seeds structure, we'll have to make quite a lot of small overlapping seed metapackages
[10:54] <ScottL> i have met many people on it and they know my intent though, i assure you of that
[10:55] <ScottL> shnatsel, that is what me and holstein talked about
[10:55] <shnatsel> awesome!
[10:55] <ScottL> we were thinking of keeping the seed changes somewhat small this time, not too much delta
[10:55] <ScottL> we can always add to them in the coming cycles
[10:55] <ScottL> but we want to make sure we get things done this cycle!
[10:55] <ScottL> not bite off to much
[10:56] <shnatsel> hmm
[10:56] <ScottL> or spend too much time thinking about seeds and workflows
[10:56] <shnatsel> yeah, fair enough
[10:56] <ScottL> shnatsel, these were the ones we thought about last night, not written in stone yet, but considering....
[10:56] <ScottL> 1. light-installation
[10:56] <ScottL> 2. audio-recording
[10:56] <ScottL> 3. audio-generation
[10:57] <ScottL> 4. video
[10:57] <ScottL> 5. graphics
[10:57] <ScottL> and audio-common will be pulled in by #2 or #3
[10:57] <shnatsel> oh, ok
[10:57] <ScottL> we are also considering a possible #6 for podcasting
[10:57] <shnatsel> sounds sane
[10:57] <shnatsel> I'd also add photography.
[10:57] <ScottL> but i don't know if itis tehre
[10:57] <ScottL> OH GOOD!
[10:57] <ScottL> please make suggestions for additions and modifications
[10:58] <ScottL> i will write photography down as well
[10:58] <ScottL> mike and i talked about reviewing with workflow page again to see if we were missing anything in particular
[10:58] <shnatsel> because, there is darktable, there is cinepaint which is not packaged, there are photographic plugins for GIMP...
[10:58] <ScottL> _can_ cinepaint be packaged?  i seem to remember some difficulty about it
[10:59] <ScottL> perhaps it was unstable at the time and crashed alot
[10:59] <shnatsel> ScottL: AFAIK last time they tried to do it, there were some bugs on the debian side
[10:59] <shnatsel> ScottL: and then the process stalled for years
[10:59] <ScottL> i am supposed to speak with quadrispro while here, i'll ask him about it
[10:59] <shnatsel> ScottL: and right now cinepaint website doesn't seem to be maintained
[10:59] <ScottL> oh :(
[11:00] <ScottL> what do you suggest for importing the images from camera?
[11:00] <ScottL> i really should go back and refresh myself with the work flows page
[11:01] <shnatsel> ScottL: Darktable I guess
[11:01] <shnatsel> ScottL: not quite sure though
[11:01] <ScottL> oh, i didn't know it would import images
[11:01] <shnatsel> let me check...
[11:01] <ScottL> i'm not very familiar with darktable to be forthcoming
[11:02] <shnatsel> ScottL: yes, it can
[11:02] <ScottL> cool
[11:05] <ScottL> i'm really excited about all this stuff
[11:05] <ScottL> shnatsel, next week i would like to really have a pretty final idea of what we want as far as seeds
[11:06] <ScottL> colin watson (cjwatson) has asked that i give him a block diagram of where we are heading and i am keen to keep him happy
[11:06] <ScottL> especially since he is involved with the cdimage team ;)
[11:06] <ScottL> we can certainly make considerations for additional workflows we might consider supporting later on and include them as potentials as well
[11:06] <ScottL> in fact i would firmly suggest this
[11:07] <ScottL> i am also trying to figure out how to do roadmaps in launchpad as well
[11:07] <ScottL> i've met a lot of people here and some have asked about this and getting the roadmap would be an easy way to make things public and accessible
[11:09] <shnatsel> ScottL: I think I'll go updating the workflows
[11:10] <shnatsel> s/go updating/go update/
[11:10] <ScottL> good :)  i should have time today and i'll review them as well just to refresh my memory
[11:10] <ScottL> shnatsel, i'm at uds and it is a very intense, exciting experience, but it leaves very little free time to do things
[11:22] <shnatsel> ScottL: awesome, Darktable covers almost all protographic workflow!
[11:22] <ScottL> sweet!  that is really great news and thank you for doing the work to get it into the repos
[11:22] <ScottL> that is awesome :_)
[11:22] <ScottL> :-)
[11:23]  * jussi waves to ScottL
[11:23] <ScottL> hi jussi :)
[11:25] <shnatsel> ScottL: oh btw, I've failed to get anything into Debian repos, I've stuck with their buggy tools and obscure processes
[11:26] <ScottL> i can talk to quadrispro about these as well,
[11:26] <shnatsel> ScottL: I think I'll just post to debian multimedia mailing list, give links to the packages and let them mess with their processes themselves
[11:26] <ScottL> ah good!
[11:26] <ScottL> i have found them to be most helpful
[11:27] <ScottL> shnatsel, which packages are you considering?
[11:27] <shnatsel> ScottL: I've started from GIMP Paint Studio
[11:27] <shnatsel> ScottL: never got to other packages
[11:29] <ScottL> shnatsel, if there is any one particular that you really want for this cycle, you might hurry and at least mail their list about them
[11:29] <ScottL> we will be running into debian freeze for ubuntu not too far from now
[11:30] <ScottL> but i'll make it a point to ask alessio about gimp paint studio when i see him
[11:30] <ScottL> is there another specific package or two that you really want to get in now?
[11:30] <shnatsel> ScottL: thanks!
[11:33] <ScottL> shnatsel, you are most welcome, my friend :-)
[11:34] <shnatsel> ScottL: well, XFCE have changed their thumbnailing architecture, so ora-thumbnailer for Thunar is out
[11:35] <shnatsel> ScottL: it would be absolutely awesome to get gimp-painter in
[11:35] <shnatsel> ScottL: but since it's a patched GIMP 2.6 and the patches are no longer maintained (though they're really stable by now), it will be hard to do
[13:16] <holstein> ailo: YO
[13:16] <holstein> im about to do some testing, and i was hoping i could find you to help me stay scientific about it
[13:16] <holstein> and when i say 'about to' i mean next week
[13:50] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[13:51] <ScottL> here is a preliminary plan for precise.  can people review it and make additions/modificantions/comments?
[13:51] <ScottL> i am hoping to some how document a roadmap for precise, shnatsel do you have any experience with creating a roadmap in launchpad?
[13:52] <ScottL> i will be back online in about ten/fifteen minutes
[14:56] <ScottL> unplugging and back into channel in fifteen
[14:56] <shnatsel> ScottL: yes I do, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/elementaryos/0.2
[14:56] <ScottL> shnatsel, i am saving that link and will check it in fifteen or so
[14:57] <shnatsel> ScottL: it's no way urgent
[15:03] <ScottL> shnatsel, that link is your "roadmap"?
[15:04] <ScottL> i ask because i'm not exactly clear about what defines a roadmap
[15:04] <shnatsel> ScottL: yes, those are our plans for 0.2 release with details, links to specs and code, status info, etc
[15:05] <shnatsel> ScottL: ubuntu uses the same, + they have strictly formatted work items in blueprint whiteboards
[15:05] <ScottL> i seem to remember other projects using a roadmap which had a more visual or graphical aspect to it
[15:05] <ScottL> it seems that ubuntu does not follow the same model
[15:05] <shnatsel> ScottL: than it works like this: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/
[15:05] <ScottL> again, i am very ignorant about roadmaps
[15:05] <shnatsel> ScottL: docs on that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto
[15:05] <ScottL> brilliant!
[15:06] <shnatsel> ScottL: ask ubuntu guys, you're at UDS!
[15:06] <ScottL> i already have but haven't gotten an answer yet, i'm scheduled to later though :)
[15:07] <shnatsel> ScottL: talk to the devs to get your ubuntu flavor there
[15:07] <ScottL> uds is extremely fast paced and busy, finding time to actually talk is sometimes difficult
[15:08] <ScottL> shnatsel, that is another conversation i'm trying to schedule with kate stewart (release manager) who uses that page mainly
[15:08] <ScottL> sadly, i just learned about this page yesterday :(
[15:08] <ScottL> shnatsel, but i should say that you are a wealth of information and have helped ubuntu studio considerably :-)
[15:09] <ScottL> just moving to blueprints has been a great move
[15:09] <shnatsel> ScottL: thanks :)
[15:09] <shnatsel> ScottL: yeah, sometimes I just do nothing and tell others what to do, and somehow it's helpful :_
[15:09] <shnatsel> :)
[15:09] <ScottL> any other pages or ideas you think are helpful, please let me know
[15:09] <ScottL> lol :)
[15:10] <ScottL> ^^^ that was in reference to "telling others what to do"
[15:11] <shnatsel> ScottL: switching to elementary desktop in 12.10? ^^
[15:12] <ScottL> lol, maybe ;)  it would certainly make a design statement
[15:12] <shnatsel> ScottL: oh btw, you can catch some elementary project guys at UDS
[15:12] <ScottL> i've seen a session listed and i checked to see if you were there
[15:12] <shnatsel> ScottL: see what they have to offer and discuss the collab possibilities
[15:13] <ScottL> i will try to catch them
[15:13] <shnatsel> ScottL: I'm not at UDS because I live in Russia and the trip would cost an insane amount of $$ :(
[18:11] <ScottL> nobody has any comments on the preliminary release plan?
[18:11] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[18:33] <astraljava> I'll read it thoroughly later when the fever's gone.
[18:34] <ScottL> astraljava, i'm sorry to hear you have a fever
[18:34] <astraljava> Thanks. No worries, didn't have to work yesterday nor today, and I'll probably be home tomorrow as well.
[19:43] <ailo> holstein, I've been thinking about doing some testing myself. Haven't thought much about it yet, so all I can assist with at the moment would be to describe how we did precious tests
[19:44] <holstein> ailo: sure
[19:44] <holstein> thats enough
[19:44] <holstein> just keeping it scientific
[19:44] <holstein> i want to test with my USB, some interenal hardware and firewire
[19:45] <holstein> with the new generic kernel
[19:45] <holstein> maybe even a mainline
[19:46] <holstein> theres a script on the way too that scott is privvy too
[19:47] <ailo> Yea, I've got pci and firewire myself. I could borrow a usb as well
[19:47] <ailo> A script?
[19:48] <ailo> That's the way I would like to go. Just haven't started working on it at all, since we talked about it at the beginning of this year
[19:48] <holstein> yeah, ive been busy too
[19:48] <holstein> a break-up
[19:49] <holstein> a move
[19:49] <holstein> not all bad, but still...
[19:49] <holstein> anyways, i'll look for you when i actually get harware prepared
[19:50] <holstein> it would be easier for me to do it with a live CD, but whatevre
[19:50] <holstein> ever*
[19:50] <holstein> i want to find the mainline kernel for 12.04 i guess
[21:19] <ScottL> ailo, you mentioned a script earlier for testing the kernel
[21:19] <ScottL> during the -lowlatency kernel blueprint the kernel guys mentioned this quite a bit
[21:20] <ScottL> apparently one of the guys has been wanted to quantify kernel performance for some time
[21:20] <ScottL> which also happens to align with the upstream desires to quantify performance as well
[21:20] <ScottL> they talked about a pacakge in red hat called 'rteval'
[21:20] <ScottL> although they are considering setting up a chain of computers to test latency
[21:21] <ScottL> as well, not just the rteval test
[21:21] <ScottL> the test would be to have a computer generate tones that would be routed through the test machine and measure by either the first or another machine
[21:21] <ScottL> very objective i think
[21:24] <ScottL> they want to do this on variety of audio interfaces and compile a 'latency range'
[21:24] <ScottL> you can read more in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency
[21:25] <ScottL> and here are the etherpad notes:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19798/other-p-lowlatency/
[22:04] <ailo> Looks great ScottL.
[23:21] <stochastic> ailo, ScottL ain't in at the moment
[23:22] <stochastic> argh, sorry I had my window scrolled up, not seeing the current conversation
[23:25] <ailo> stochastic, Are you an old contributor to US? I don't remember if I've seen you here before.
[23:25] <ailo> I appeared myself at the beginning of this year
[23:26] <stochastic> Yeah, I've been around for a bit here, but the past year or two have been too busy with work (two jobs totalling 70hrs+/week)
[23:26] <stochastic> nice to meet you ailo
[23:26] <ailo> stochastic, Likewise
[23:27] <ailo> Can't say I've contributed much, though I did spend some time testing kernels and coding a replacement for us-controls
[23:27] <ailo> Happy to see that -lowlatency is getting some attention now
[23:29] <ailo> One of my main motives on helping US was that since it's in the main repo, you'd be able to add stuff for making any Ubuntu derived distro audio friendly
[23:29] <ailo> And, the kernel is of course the most important component, since most of the apps come from Debian
[23:31] <ailo> Also, us-controls would be a nice app for tuning the system for pro audio, so that users won't need to know all the details in order to make it happen. Just push a button.
[23:31] <stochastic> nice
[23:32] <ailo> Those were my goals, pretty much. Haven't done much to reach them these last months, though
[23:32] <stochastic> I agree, though it's always good for us to help get useful apps into Debian (or directly into US)
[23:33] <stochastic> Well I'm looking forward to making 12.04 a killer release.


[09:02] <apw> mjg59, i have wondered why we don't have synthetic ones for cpu types
[09:28] <apw> smb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+patches
[09:45] <ilmari> the drm-intel-next kernel packages havent been built since the 13th
[09:52] <cking> apw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/S3
[10:00] <apw> ilmari, oddness
[10:02] <apw> ilmari, hrrm something very odd there, just triggered it now and it is building
[10:03] <ilmari> apw: thanks
[10:05]  * ilmari needs to test a recent change for LP#680748
[10:05] <apw> bug #680748
[10:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 680748 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[arrandale] flicker on LVDS laptop display with stripy patterns" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680748
[11:32] <ilmari> apw: how long does the build usually take?
[11:35] <apw> 2-3 hours, but i think it was queued second
[11:35] <apw> Bisecting: 1999 revisions left to test after this (roughly 11 steps)
[11:35] <apw> Bisecting: 1999 revisions left to test after this (roughly 11 steps)
[11:35] <apw> sigh
[11:39] <amitk> lol
[11:39]  * apw  blames amitk .... its suspend that is bust after all
[11:40]  * amitk doesn't care about suspend or hibernate...
[11:40] <amitk> ... yet!
[11:40] <amitk> apw: blame manjo
[11:42] <ilmari> apw: okay, I'll check the directory this afternoon (GMT)
[11:42] <apw> ilmari, yep, its still building the mainline tip of the day, drm-intel-next is next
[11:42] <apw> amitk, always :)
[12:13] <mjg59> apw: Because system devices can't have modaliases
[12:13] <mjg59> apw: Limitation of the driver core - someone's meant to be fixing it
[12:15] <apw> mjg59, fair enough
[12:16]  * apw struggles on with bisecting an amd64/i915  suspend hang ... 11 more to go
[15:02]  * apw lunches
[15:41] <ara> hey guys!
[15:41] <ara> how are you doing?
[15:41] <ara> do we know when we are getting the new maverick -proposed kernel in the -proposed archive?
[15:50] <tgardner> sconklin,  ^^
[15:51] <sconklin> ara: pitti just copied it moments ago. The version you want is 2.6.35-25.44
[15:57] <tgardner> cking, AceLan_: bouncing tangerine for security update soon.
[15:59] <ara> sconklin, yes, I saw that, thanks!
[16:02] <cking> tgardner, ok
[16:08] <apw> sconklin, how did you not go mad doing bisects
[16:08] <JFo> need coffee, brb
[16:08] <sconklin> apw it's not bad at all when you have fast builds on tangerine, and a couple of testers who get you results in 10 mins or less. I did 7 or 8 build/test cycles in a day and got a final result!
[16:09] <tgardner> apw, Linus' tip has the doc build failure fixed.
[16:10] <apw> sconklin, mine started about 'about 12'
[16:10] <apw> tgardner, excellent will suck it up shortly
[16:11] <tgardner> apw, we'll need it to procude an -rc2 based kernel
[16:11] <tgardner> produce*
[16:11] <sconklin> ugh. Mine started at about 8. I could have probably cut two off of that my guessing at a range of commits, but it wasn't worth the uncertainty
[16:13] <apw> tgardner, yep
[16:14] <apw> tgardner, is tangerine bouncing now ?
[16:14] <tgardner> apw, yep, it takes a bit
[16:14] <apw> tgardner, didn't want to start bisect 6 without waiting for the bounce
[16:15] <tgardner> apw, I didn't realize you were in the middle of something. I could have waited.
[16:15] <apw> tgardner, nope not at all, it'll take all day at an hour a spin
[16:15] <apw> just wanted to make sure you'd done it before i started a build
[16:16] <tgardner> apw, besides some security updates, the armel chroot was hung and I couldn't get it to bail out.
[16:16] <tgardner> apw, tangerine is back
[16:17] <apw> tgardner, yep, utterly reasonable to bounce it ... didn't want to interfere
[16:17] <apw> has held me up by exactly 25s
[16:17] <apw> i think i can live with that
[16:17] <cking> really?
[16:29] <tgardner> apw, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2011-January/014095.html
[16:37] <ilmari> apw++ # new drm-intel-next build
[16:39] <apw> ilmari, cool
[16:47] <bjf> https://spreadsheets0.google.com/a/canonical.com/ccc?hl=en&key=tOvtWlTi17QL1bZm-0dCKEg&hl=en#gid=0
[16:48] <bjf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/FixingCVEs
[17:34] <apw> bjf, can you point me at the brad arsenal classes branch, i've lost my mind and it
[17:35] <bjf> apw, are you looking for: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~arsenal-devel/arsenal/python-launchpadlib-toolkit/
[17:36] <bjf> apw, or: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/arsenal/kernel/
[17:36] <bjf> apw, or: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~arsenal-devel/arsenal/master/
[17:36] <bjf> apw, that's all i know about
[17:37] <apw> bjf, i thin the first one was the one i wanted, ta
[17:37] <JFo> ah yes, the first one
[17:37] <JFo> sorry I was no help there apw :)
[17:55] <bjf> tgardner, can you accept my nominations on bug 706149 ?
[17:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706149 in linux "CVE-2010-4074" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706149
[17:58] <tgardner> bjf, done
[18:07] <JFo> <-lunch
[18:15] <apw> Bisecting: 5 revisions left to test after this (roughly 3 steps)
[18:15] <apw> GAH
[18:24] <apw> https://www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[18:25] <hyperair> kernel bisects are painful
[19:07]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:09] <apw> Bisecting: 2 revisions left to test after this (roughly 2 steps)
[19:45] <poelzi> pah. 6.37 is the worst kernel ever
[20:02]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:19] <apw> poelzi, false, .38 is much worse
[20:20] <poelzi> apw: hihi. but .38 is not a real release
[20:21] <apw> .37 has been one of the better ones on my kit
[20:21] <poelzi> i'm so unsure whats broken. kms, radeon, cachefiles,... i got so many tracebacks
[20:21] <poelzi> kms is slow like hell here at least
[20:22] <poelzi> but without it, x server makes even more trouble
[20:24] <apw> poelzi, if you have backtraces get them into bugs and to us, as we are not seeing them
[20:24] <bryceh> apw, hum didn't you tell me .37 was crackful and that all goodness was going into .38?
[20:25] <apw> bryceh, i think i said that all of the crack was going into .38-rc1
[20:25] <bryceh> apw, ah that's right... you said it didn't even boot
[20:25] <apw> .37 has been pretty stable on everythiong i ahve but as noone lets me have nvidia or radeon h/w
[20:26] <JFo> because you break things :P
[20:29] <poelzi> apw: yes, i' m working on get them backtraced
[20:30] <poelzi> apw: can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/706394
[20:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706394 in linux "kernel should have CONFIG_CFQ_GROUP_IOSCHED" [Undecided,New]
[20:30] <poelzi> without it, the the cgroups io subsystem is useless and it's enabled
[20:31] <bryceh> apw, if you have a desktop/server type box, then I'm sure $$ could be scared up to send you a few ati/nvidia cards
[20:32] <bryceh> however frankly >80% of the gfx bugs we hear about are on -intel anyway ;-/
[20:36] <apw> bryceh, cause most people buy intel sadly
[20:36] <bryceh> apw, likely so.  Also I think Intel does a bit more experimental gfx dev work in releases than the other guys.
[20:37] <apw> yeah a bit of both in all likelyhood, cursed both ways arn't we
[20:39] <manjo> tgardner, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Testing/UbuntuUEFI
[20:42] <sforshee> patches for bug 659143 are in Linus's tree for 2.6.38
[20:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 659143 in linux "64bit-only: regression: kernels >=2.6.34: rt2800pci: load firmware Error with ralink [1814:0781]" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659143
[20:42] <sforshee> am I right in thinking this is something we'd want to fix in maverick SRU?
[20:43] <tgardner> sforshee, seems reasonable if folks are actually encountering the bug
[20:46] <sforshee> tgardner, well, 10 people have marked the bug as affecting them
[20:47] <sforshee> the guy who reported the bug actually wrote the patches that fix it
[20:49] <tgardner> sforshee, we really like SRUs to go through upstream first. dunno if this one has yet...
[20:50] <sforshee> tgarnder, both patches are in 2.6.38-rc1
[20:51] <sforshee> tgardner, ^^
[20:51] <sforshee> typo
[21:00] <tgardner> sforshee, cool, that makes it a lot easier
[21:08] <manjo> bjf, not sure if this helps... git.alsa-project.org
[21:09] <bjf> manjo, thanks but no, takashi does a daily snapshot of his git repo in a form that can be wrapped in debian packaging and uploaded for a daily build
[21:30] <sforshee> tgardner, can you accept my nomination on bug bug 659143 ?
[21:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 659143 in linux "64bit-only: regression: kernels >=2.6.34: rt2800pci: load firmware Error with ralink [1814:0781]" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659143
[21:34] <JFo> I got it sforshee
[21:34] <sforshee> JFo, thanks
[21:34] <JFo> np
[21:56] <smoser> i need some help. there is a linux-image-2.6.32-312-ec2 in lucid-proposed
[21:57] <smoser> but there is no linux-ec2 (built by linux-meta-ec2) there
[21:57] <smoser> how would that normally be uploaded ?
[21:57] <smoser> smb, ^
[22:13] <bjf> smoser, sconklin and i are discussing it
[22:18] <bjf> smoser, it looks like we uploaded the package to our ppa and it got built but it didn't get copied to -proposed
[22:18] <smoser> so... a copy is coming soon ?
[22:19] <bjf> smoser, we are going to reach out to an archive admin
[22:31] <sconklin> smoser: no answer from any archive admin, we'll keep trying and/or send email
[23:29] <smoser> sconklin-away, bjf kirkland will address if you can paste in #ubuntu-devel what you need
[23:34] <bjf> smoser, StevenK took care of it for us, thanks
[23:36] <kees> smb`: I think the RO/NX+Xen issues have found a solution upstream. have you been following that thread?


[10:20] <alan_g[m]> Yesterday:
[10:20] <alan_g[m]> * A deeper look at #2962 (platform API changes)
[10:20] <alan_g[m]> * More ETTD for DnD
[22:29] <alan_g[m]> Today:
[22:29] <alan_g[m]> * Clean up DnD PR (again)
[22:29] <alan_g[m]> * Discussions about Frame/Core/Nvidia
[22:29] <alan_g[m]> * More poking around mir-ci to test DnD


[03:44] <persia> tcdiem_, Really, it's up to you, to determine what you want.  The choice between lpia and i386 ought be based on which you find works better on your hardware.  The choice of packages or flavour is really which you find a good set of defaults from which you can customise your system.
[12:08] <Guest55353> HI guys
[12:09] <Guest55353> could I ask some question?
[12:09] <ogra> :)
[12:09] <Guest55353> User can expect a new desktop concept for netbooks with Ubuntu ARM or the same desktop present in Ubuntu AMD64 will be port.
[12:09] <Guest55353> Do you know if any software specific for ARM is under development?
[12:09] <Guest55353> And any usability study was made to adapt the linux desktop to 10" screen?
[12:10] <ogra> as i told you in the arm channel, the CPU architecture has nothing to do with the desktop concept :)
[12:11] <Guest55353> ok
[12:11] <ogra> we have a team that works on the 1024x600 (or soon 1024x576) desktop stuff
[12:11] <Guest55353> but the canonical is trying to enter to tha Netbook market, isn't?
[12:11] <ogra> (note it also has nothing to do with the screen size, a 10" screen culd happily run 1280x1024)
[12:11] <ogra> heh
[12:11] <ogra> canonical is already in the netbook market
[12:12] <ogra> ubuntu-netbook-remix on netbooks exists since a year
[12:12] <Guest55353> So if I have a Netbook with ubuntu, it will be the same that I have on my PC computer?
[12:12] <ogra> no, the desktop looks different, and the apps are adjusted to fit into 1024x600
[12:13] <ogra> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/06/03/canonical-announces-the-ubuntu-netbook-remix/ thats how it looks like
[12:13] <ogra> (its a very old screenshot, it changes a bit)
[12:13] <ogra> *changed
[12:14] <ogra> http://flickr.com/photos/njpatel/tags/netbookremix. has more
[12:14] <njpatel> note: the first two are mockups
[12:15] <Guest55353> I'm asking that because everyone are saying that the canonical only empacoted the Debian reposiitori. And I'm trying to discovery if canonical have some Merits
[12:16] <ogra> empacoted ?
[12:16] <ogra> what does that word mean ?
[12:17] <Guest55353> re-packaging debian's package
[12:17] <Guest55353> sorry
[12:17] <ogra> ubuntu takes the packages from debian unstable every six months and adds the ubuntu changes to them
[12:18] <ogra> whie it is based on the debian packages, you have three months of development going on in ubuntu and three months of stabilization and QA before it gets released
[12:18] <ogra> *while
[12:19] <Guest55353> And canonical doesn't develop nothin?
[12:20] <ogra> canonical sponsors ubuntu ... and has an additional team that does customizations of a stable ubuntu release for customers ...
[12:20] <ogra> if the customizations make sense they go back into ubuntu
[12:21] <ogra> but canonical and ubuntu are distinct one is a company making money with support and customization of a product ... and the other is a product developed by an opensource community
[12:22] <Guest55353> Like Fedora and Rad Hat
[12:22] <ogra> ubuntu is just a distro
[12:22] <ogra> no
[12:22] <ogra> fedora and redhat are different
[12:22] <Guest55353> owo
[12:22] <ogra> canonical doesnt *sell* ubuntu
[12:22] <ogra> redhat sells fedora with added stuff
[12:23] <Guest55353> just support?
[12:23] <ogra> canonical only offers services around ubuntu
[12:23] <ogra> and customization
[12:23] <davmor2> Guest55353: All the updates and stable patches we produce are pushed back  up stream to debian so in effect if you hack on debian or ubuntu you help both projects
[12:23] <Guest55353> ok
[12:24] <ogra> i.e. if your company develops some shiny new netbook and you want to be sure ubuntu runs *absolutely perfect* on that device, you can ask canonical to make sure it does and pay for it
[12:25] <ogra> and if your product gets released you can make up contracts with canonical that your customers can get support
[12:25] <Guest55353> If Gnome don't change the look, canonical will never do. Right?
[12:26] <ogra> you are mixing up things :)
[12:26] <ogra> if *ubuntu* finds something looks better than gnome develops it, it might change something (and indeed send that change to gnome as well)
[12:26] <Guest55353> sorry
[12:27] <ogra> in ubuntu there are changes that gnome didnt accept
[12:27] <ogra> if canonical makes changes to ubuntu that might fit into the distro, canonical sends them to ubuntu ...
[12:27] <ogra> ... ubuntu sends them to gnome
[12:28] <Guest55353> Like Mack sad that in Ubuntu 9.04 it will changes into usability and other stuffs, but if Gnome or other projects don't chenge nothin, how canonical could promiss that?
[12:28] <ogra> if gnome accepts the changes they show up in gnome ... if not and ubuntu still wants the change it will only be in ubuntu
[12:29] <ogra> as i said, ubuntu has changes gnome doesnt like ... but these changes are still in ubuntu
[12:29] <Guest55353> nice
[12:29] <ogra> indeed, keeping such changes and adjusting them for each new gnome is a lot of work
[12:30] <ogra> so indeed, ubuntu prefers it if the changes are accepted by gnome
[12:30] <Guest55353> Why everyone say that Canonical don't cotribute? With like Novell
[12:30] <ogra> but if they arent and ubuntu wants to keep them, ubuntu keeps the change in place
[12:30] <ogra> you have to aks the people that say that :)
[12:30] <ogra> *ask
[12:31] <ogra> there are surely areas where canonical makes less changes ... i.e. the kernel ... so there are not many changes to send to the upstream developers
[12:31] <Guest55353> They sad that canonica's only re-packaging debian's package
[12:32] <Guest55353> why don't make a union Debina-Canonical?
[12:32] <ogra> thats not true
[12:32] <ogra> because debian doesnt have a stable release cycle
[12:32] <ogra> many changes from ubuntu go into debian
[12:32] <Guest55353> or why don't improve dkgk engeene?
[12:33] <Guest55353> dpkg
[12:33] <Guest55353> like Novell did with zypper....
[12:33] <ogra> many changes to dpkg were made by ubuntu in the last five years, most of them are in debian
[12:33] <Guest55353> have a place so I can read?
[12:35] <ogra> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/debian probably
[12:35] <Guest55353> I like Canonical and Ubuntu, but I don't have arguments to debat with Debian's lovers or OpenSUSE.... Thats why I'm asking you gys
[12:36] <Guest55353> Like Now, everyone are looking for Ubunto-arm port
[12:37] <ogra> thats good :)
[12:38] <Guest55353> but if canonical only re-packaging the ubuntu repository, it will be a failure
[12:38] <ogra> why do you think that ?
[12:39] <Guest55353> because, mobile things need a special atencion
[12:40] <Guest55353> have a small screen
[12:40] <ogra> mobile != ARM
[12:40] <ogra> :)
[12:40] <Guest55353> so it needs a usability study
[12:40] <Guest55353> mobile use ARM
[12:41] <ogra> we have the ubuntu mobile edition (which is a desktop, independent of what CPU you use) and we have the ubuntu netbook remix (which is also a desktop flavour and again not depending on the CPU)
[12:41] <ogra> the GUI you use doesnt have anything to do with the CPU ;)
[12:41] <Guest55353> ok
[12:42] <ogra> for ARM simply *all* packages in ubuntu will be made available on that CPU architecture
[12:42] <Guest55353> this Canonical-ARM is to Desktop?
[12:42] <ogra> its up to you if you want to use ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-mobile, ubuntu-netbook or even xubuntu or kde on your hardware
[12:43] <ogra> for this release we focus on desktop, server and probably netbooks for ARM ...
[12:43] <ogra> this release will come out in april
[12:44] <ogra> for the next release you might be able to get more i.e. ubuntu-mobile and other desktop flavours on ARM
[12:44] <ogra> (next release will come out in october)
[12:46] <Guest55353> why Canonical don't port gnome to qt4.5?
[12:46] <Guest55353> lol
[12:47] <ogra> because we would hae to call it KDE then :)
[12:47] <Guest55353> where is the ubuntu 9.04 channel?
[12:48] <ogra> #ubuntu+1 i think
[12:48] <Guest55353> no
[12:48] <Guest55353> KDE is a holycrap
[12:48] <ogra> did you try kubuntu ?
[12:48] <ogra> its not much different to the ubuntu desktop
[12:48] <Guest55353> KDE don't works
[12:49] <Guest55353> there programas aren't good
[12:49] <Guest55353> like Koopete, it's a joke
[12:49] <Guest55353> Dolphin, hahaha
[14:20] <raph_ael> hello
[14:22] <persia> hello raph_ael
[15:20] <amitk> useful link comparing various wear-levelling flash fs: http://free-electrons.com/pub/conferences/2008/jm2l/flash-filesystems.pdf


[03:08] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: Error is apparently fixed in xserver-xorg-core 2:1.9.0  The Lucid updates only go up to 2:1.7.6 thus an upgrade from lucid is still an issue.  Have you talked with mvo yet?
[03:09] <bdmurray> I pinged him ~10 hours ago
[03:10] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: ah ok, BTW are you having this issue on *your* machine?
[03:10] <bdmurray> no
[03:11] <RedSingularity> alright, just wondering :)
[03:11] <bdmurray> I run natty!
[03:11] <RedSingularity> Ahhh bleeding edge man!!
[05:04] <gaurav_pawaskar> Hi guys, a doubt. After doing code change I am using diff command to get difference of files then using patch command to create a patch. It just updated the new file. Is that correct?
[05:05] <ddecator> i use quilt to create patches
[05:06] <gaurav_pawaskar> what is the command?
[05:08] <ddecator> gaurav_pawaskar: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html
[05:08] <ddecator> this probably isn't the best channel for talking about that though
[05:10] <gaurav_pawaskar> okey :)
[05:10] <gaurav_pawaskar> i will ask the same in developers
[08:16] <jo-erlend> I would like to report a bug that affects both the graphical and the alternate installers. What package should I report it to? The problem is disks that uses 4096B sectors, but doesn't report it so that Linux assumes 512B sectors, causing the disks to have really poor write performance.
[08:17] <jmarsden> jo-erlend: Sounds like the bug is in the hardware -- uses 4K sectors but does not tell the machine it does?  That is the bug, isn't it?
[08:18] <jmarsden> So you need a firmware update to the drive, I would think.
[08:23] <jo-erlend> jmarsden: yes, but still.. From what I read, I gather that the problem is that the partitions begin at sector 63, which isn't divisible by 4. Can I change this without reinstalling and repartitioning?
[08:23] <jo-erlend> jmarsden: that's something I really haven't done before. How do I do that?
[08:25] <jmarsden> jo-erlend: You might be able to boot from a LiveCD and use a tool like parted to move partitions around slightly, but I would think that reinstalling would be easier/safer.
[08:25] <jo-erlend> jmarsden: if I understand correctly, the problem would magically disappear if we always started and ended partitions on sectors that are divisible by 4. If that's so, is there any reason not to?
[08:26] <jmarsden> As for drive firmware updates, the exact process depends on the manufacturer of the drive but (if you can get a firmware update that fixes the issue) can be a bootable CD or floppy that uploads the new firmware to the drive.  I would not expect the data on the drive to still be there after a firmware update though!
[08:26] <jo-erlend> because this was catastrophic to me. I dualbooted with Windows 7 for a while, and even though I've been using Ubuntu for years, I was really dismayed at how much faster Windows 7 was. That's not so strange, considering that Windows 7 handles the sectors correctly. That means Ubuntu gets more than a 66.6% reduction in write speed, in comparison.
[08:27] <jmarsden> I'm not sure the "just make everything on 4K boundaries" thing is quite that simple, but I'm not really expert on that.
[08:28] <jmarsden> I think what you will find is that the reason the drive does not identify itself as 4K is that if it did, Win7 would become unhappy, so they fudged it... but that's just a guess.
[08:28] <jo-erlend> the difference between >100MB/s in Windows and <35MB/s in Ubuntu is _really_ significant.
[08:29] <jo-erlend> Windows XP has the same problem. It actually says so on the harddisk itself, but I never considered it since I use Linux.
[08:30] <jmarsden> Yes, and I suspect the 63sector offset is a WinXP legacy of some sort.
[08:30] <jo-erlend> I suppose I'll make a backup and then manually partition before I start reinstalling.
[08:31] <jo-erlend> the disk actually has jumpers to decide if you want one of more partitions with XP.
[08:32] <jmarsden> Ugh!  So I was somewhat correct, the drive works overtime to help Windows out, and in the process confuses Linux, perhaps?
[08:32] <jo-erlend> but perhaps the installer could have a list of known disks that suffers from this and partition accordingly? Because these disks are new and are being sold. And people installing Ubuntu _will_ notice the radical speed differences.
[08:33] <jmarsden> Does a clean install from a current Ubuntu CD still get you the 63 sector offsets by default?  That should probably be fixed...
[08:33] <jo-erlend> jmarsden: it does.
[08:35] <jo-erlend> actually, I think there is something wrong. sda1 starts at 1 and ends at 13. The second starts at 13 ... That's not right, is it?
[08:35] <jmarsden> Maybe related to bug #530071
[08:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 530071 in util-linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 9 other projects) "Lucid Default live-cd install fails with 4K sector / Advanced Format drives (affects: 5) (heat: 11)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530071
[08:36] <jmarsden> jo-erlend: That sounds like you have two overlapping partitions... that would be bad.
[08:36] <jo-erlend> jmarsden: that sounds very similar, yes. That's the disk I have as well.
[08:36] <jmarsden> OK, so you might want to add any info to that bug that you think will help, or check for fixes mentioned there you can use.
[08:37] <jo-erlend> I just installed 10.04.2 yesterday, so it isn't fixed.
[08:39] <jo-erlend> jmarsden: it's related, except I used the alternate installer. That bug is for live-cd.
[08:42] <jmarsden> jo-erlend: OK.  Then file a new bug against (whatever the alternate installer is called) and see what happens, I suppose.  I'd mention the relatedness to #530071 so others can find and read that discussion too.
[08:43] <jo-erlend> jmarsden: the problem is that I don't really understand this.
[08:44] <jmarsden> jo-erlend: That's OK, describe what you did and what happened, in detail so someone else could repeat it.  Include the fdisk -l /dev/sda (or whatever device is relevant) info in the report.
[08:45] <jmarsden> jo-erlend: You could also try installing 10.10 Maverick and see if it does any better.
[08:46] <jmarsden> I need to go to bed... I hope I helped a little, anyway :)
[08:46] <jo-erlend> jmarsden: you did. Thanks and sleep well :)
[08:47] <udienz> Hi, i need your help about bug 677226, this package still have security problem in Natty. can anyone open this bug in natty? i will merging this package now
[08:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 677226 in systemtap (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "CVE-2010-4170 and CVE-2010-4171: staprun module loading/unloading security fixes (affects: 1) (heat: 147)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/677226
[09:48] <acarpine> Hi people!
[09:49] <acarpine> A couple days ago I opened a new bug that is now fixed with the latest release of Natty. What is the correct way to proceed in this case?
[09:50] <AbhijiT> procced with what? the bug status? or the ap for which bug submited?
[09:51] <acarpine> the bag status. I have to close the bug report?
[09:51] <AbhijiT> no
[09:51] <acarpine> What is the ap?
[09:51] <AbhijiT> marke it as fix released
[09:52] <acarpine> Ok perfect tks AbhijiT
[09:54] <AbhijiT> np
[17:24] <hggdh> acarpine: re the bug just fixed with a new natty package: it would be nice to find out *which* change fixed the issue, and point to it; of course, if nothing pops up, just state 'fixed by unknown change in package xyz (full version string)


 Any word yet on when upgrades for Hippo will be re-enabled?
[01:47] <kryten> If you got the relevant bug report, just follow it - but I haven't heard anything yet.
 https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-21-04-hirsute-hippo-released/
[03:45] <travelinrob> Greetings. I'm using Kubuntu 21.04. My ktorrent stopped working, as in, it does not open anymore. Anyone else having this issue?
 ktorrent opens here... try launching it from the command line and report any errors.
 Hello, I have troubles with password in tty. In Konsole (Ctr+Alt+T) password is accepted but in tty (Ctr+Alt+F2...F6) the same password is rejected. Why?
 HPSY
 when it asks for the username in vt2, try to type the password instead, so that you see what you're typing. In some cases, wrong keyboard layouts can cause such issues
 @travelinrob, Ktorrent was working in 21.04 and then stopped working - or Ktorrent was working in 20.10 and then stopped working in 21.04?
[12:20] <travelinrob> @DarinMiller There is no error. The process runs, but no gui displays.
[12:20] <travelinrob> @Anarchotaoist This is a fresh 21.04 install.
[12:22] <travelinrob> It worked without issue since install, but then it stopped. In the meantime, I use Transmisson (Qt) instead.
 @travelinrob, huh, ok. I do not know, other than to say purge and re-install perhaps? Plus, I have found functions of Ktorrent to be flaky so if you are open to another client then check out qBittorrent maybe? I hope you sort it!
[12:32] <travelinrob> @Anarchotaoist Yeah. It's weird. Purge and re-install does not fix the issue. But, after doing so, I see the icon in the tray spinning for couple of seconds and then it disappears. But, the process remains running. And, as I said, no errors running from terminal. Using Transmission, so not a big deal. I guess I was wondering if it is just me or an issue.
[13:24] <alkisg> travelinrob: one quick check would be to create another user, login as that one, and test if it works there. If it does, it's a user account issue; if not, it's a system-wide issue
[15:00] <travelinrob> alkisg: thank you for the suggestion.
[15:11] <alkisg> 👍
 Do you see anything if ktorrent is launched with the verbose option (ktorrent --verbose)?  Verbose shows nothing on mine BTW.
[15:58] <travelinrob> what is the name of the service to use to get a link to share error code output? I forget.
[16:00] <travelinrob> pastebin!
[16:01] <JavaBean> "rubber duck debugging" isn't just for programming
[16:04] <travelinrob> This is what I see after using ktorrent --verbose. https://pastebin.com/uxydkBLY
 @alkisg> <tuuou, I had done it — password is correct but doesn't being accepted in tty.
, then in the session type `sudo tail -f /var/log/auth.log` and see what the logs say about it
 @travelinrob, Check the system tray for KTorrent. If you do not want to start it minimize, open ktorrent from the tray and configure KTorrent via Settings -> Configure Ktorrent -> Application tab  and unckeck the Always minimize to sys tray on startup.
[20:50]  * Euclide vous souhaite une bonne soirée !
[22:22] <Linusnewb> #kdeneon
[22:23] <valorie> Linusnewb: it's actually #kde-neon
[23:39] <JavaBean> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2021-May/001923.html
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[23:58] <JavaBean> i am sorry Unit, but it is funny how hard you had to kick that ircsomebot


[03:36] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[05:48] <gotama> Hi! I'm trying Edubuntu 7.10 . and I'm wondering what is the sound server that is using by default in the ltsp clients? esd, pulse, nasd?
[05:49] <gotama> The sound is going out through the speaker of the server (totem). Is there any way how to fix it?
[06:10] <sbalneav> gotama: Pulse
[06:11] <sbalneav> yeah, you need to right click on the volume control
[06:11] <sbalneav> select "open volume control"
[06:11] <sbalneav> go to "file->change device"
[06:12] <sbalneav> And select the pulse device.
[06:22] <gotama> Thanks a lot. I'll try.
[07:33] <xidox> hola
[07:35] <xidox> holaaa
[02:46] <bddebian> Heya
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> evening
[02:52] <bddebian> Hi Kamping_Kaiser
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> bddebian, hows your morning?
[02:53] <bddebian> Slow. You? :-)
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> well.... lets just say i dont multitask as well as Linux ;)
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> having a large number of hissy fits at gutsy though
[02:56] <bddebian> Uh oh :-(
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :| seems gutsy doesnt like network manager being removed (didnt like me more when avahi disapeared either)
[03:05] <bddebian> Doh
[03:38] <Bauldrick_> is it safe to upgrade to latest 7.10 and how?
[04:48] <gotama> I'm testing gutsy (7.10) , thin clients, and the xserver crashes a lot. It's almost imposible to make any setup or fine tune.
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Bauldrick_, probably
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends how keen you are
[04:49] <gotama> I've have installed drapper for nearly two years and is very stable.
[04:49] <gotama> Just sometimes give me problemes but it's unimportant.
[04:50] <gotama> What's happening with gutsy?
[04:53] <gotama> The only thing that I'm wishing to have on drapper is a sound editor working (ie. wavesurfer) on the thin clients.
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> nearly two years?
[04:54] <gotama> I don't remember exactly but it has been a very long time.
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> it came as stable june last year
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> in devel for 6 months before that
[04:55] <gotama> It's just beautiful and all my students just love it.
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> as for gutsy, due in 12 days
[04:56] <gotama> Children love thing fast.
[04:56] <gotama> That's why they love drapper.
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> dapper is good like that
[04:59] <gotama> Well, is there any solution with the xserver in gutsy?
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> had a look at launchpad?
[05:02] <JordanC> When is the whole "unbreakable  X" being implemented
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> RSN
[05:07] <gotama> But Feisty seems to be more stable than guysy, better performance with sound.
[05:07] <gotama> xmms and totem work fine.
[05:08] <gotama> better than with dapper. The drawback is that the x server also crashes a lot.
[05:49] <Bauldrick_> well im updating it at the moment - I ust changed apt/sources.list to gutsy, is that correct
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> Bauldrick_, from what release?
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> from 7.04 its ok
[05:50] <Bauldrick_> feisty
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be ok
[05:51] <Bauldrick_> couldn't get update-manager to recognise a newer version s did it that way and apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> night mate
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck
[09:39] <minisrule192> Two users walked into a bar, /quit and /exit... /exit got bored and walked out, who was left?
[09:48] <pauljw> minisrule192: that might work better in the #windows channel... lol
[10:11] <lns> minisrule193, lol
[10:11] <lns> ace_suares fell for it, looks like =p
[10:16] <minisrule193> hi