[04:17] <nalioth> Dvondrake: a regular txt editor and have a look
[04:17] <nalioth> Dvondrake: it should be commented (for you to learn)
[04:17] <guntha> nalioth, alright, thanks alot man, you look pretty busy, i think i can take it from here :)
[04:17] <Battlecat> I got 30 Ubuntu CDs from the company and at the LUG I started here they were gone in 5 min.
[04:18] <nalioth> guntha: yes, just use common sense, drivers can be left on the roadside, but there is a reason its called "ubunut"
[04:18] <nalioth> or whatever
[04:18] <nickrud> Battlecat good on yu
[04:18] <guntha> nalioth, hah, ok good deal :)
[04:18] <Battlecat> nickrun thanks! :) I am actully interested in Linux just because of Ubuntu.
[04:19] <syntaxerror64> i wonder if there is a linux user group in my area.
[04:19] <goldfish> syntaxerror64: where u from?
[04:19] <goldfish> im sure there is
[04:19] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: and where is that?
[04:19] <nickrud> Battlecat there are worse reasons, not least of which I'm cheap :)
[04:19] <syntaxerror64> goldfish, Kansas City, MO
[04:19] <Dvondrake> nalioth: ok ty
[04:19] <goldfish> cool
[04:19] <syntaxerror64> goldfish, i will have to check on that.
[04:19] <goldfish> :)
[04:19] <goldfish> they are everywhere
[04:19] <nalioth> Dvondrake: you won't be able to change anything until u open the file as ROOT
[04:20] <Battlecat> Well nickrud, even if your cheap there are so many copies or Windows (whatever flavor) that you can get for nothing or just next to it.
[04:20] <nalioth> Dvondrake: so don't worry about messin anything up at first (as long as ya dont open it as root)
[04:20] <nickrud> ok, I've hung out here by the clock for 3 hours, has no one noticed that sarge is gold?
[04:20] <goldfish> yeah
[04:20] <goldfish> 3.1 is stable
[04:21] <Dvondrake> nalioth: but before i install ubuntu i want to make sure that i can always go back to windows easily without uninstalling ubuntu
[04:21] <nalioth> nickrud: well with the hippos flying around, and the blue whales walking down 52nd street eating hot dog sellers and apple goin to intel, who could notice sarge?
[04:21] <nickrud> Battlecat I'm cheap, but I pay for things that require money
[04:21] <Dvondrake> nalioth: since windows would be my default system
[04:21] <Battlecat> What I did was do the dual boot (which is harder with Ubuntu than Mandrake) for a few months.
[04:21] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, that is what i did.
[04:21] <nalioth> Dvondrake: all you have to do if you don't like linux is fdisk your mbr
[04:22] <Dvondrake> nali, in english? lol
[04:22] <Battlecat> nickrud: I know what I mean. :) I did not mean to imply pirating. I have about 3 copies of older windows from prior systems.
[04:22] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, this computer has windows xp and ubuntu with dual boot setup.
[04:22] <nalioth> Dvondrake: misunderstood ya, but if you desire to be a win only box, just fdisk your Main Boot Record
[04:22] <Tsingi> bob2: I'm getting moire, but the resolution is up to something I can actually do something with, so I have a good start.  Thanks for your help.
[04:22] <bob2> Tsingi: you'rw welcome, good uck
[04:22] <bob2> er, luck.
[04:22] <Dvondrake> syntax, ok, but are you booting from windows in 10 seconds if you dont select anything? cause thats really what i need to do
[04:23] <blaylock> has anyone had any issues with formatting in openoffice.org 2 between windows and linux?
[04:23] <nickrud> Battlecat right now, I'm nursing an old win98 install for a particular program, cuz I lost the 98 disk, so, wish me luck
[04:23] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, no the default is to go into linux but you can change that.
[04:23] <Dvondrake> ok...
[04:23] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, i set mine to be 30 seconds though.
[04:23] <cmatheson> hi, i'm running X w/ XDMCP, how can i get sound through the network (doesn't esd do this?)?
[04:23] <nalioth> Dvondrake: just give it a look first, its easy to understand
[04:23] <Battlecat> nickrud: I will say a prayer for you though I have to say it sure beats win95!
[04:23] <Dvondrake> syntax, but there definately is a way to change it, right?
[04:23] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, i am completely new to linux but i was able to change that and go in there easily.
[04:24] <nickrud> Battlecat prayers are welcome :)
[04:24] <Dvondrake> nali, ok, i'll try it, downloading so i can install
[04:24] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, yes that link i gave you has information.
[04:24] <Dvondrake> syntax, ok, well that's a bit of a releif.
[04:24] <nickrud> 's all that keeps it working
[04:24] <neighborlee> how does one modify the gnome system used for mounting devices to do the same magic when you want to eject media ?
[04:24] <sinope> hi, what software comes with ubuntu for palm pilots?
[04:24] <Dvondrake> syntax, look at the pm im about to send :P
[04:24] <sinope> jpilot is in universe... what is the default?
[04:25] <nalioth> sinope: default what?
[04:25] <j0rd1> hey! i made some digikam packages with all the kipiplugins support
[04:25] <Battlecat> On thing I hope that Ubuntu fixes in the very near future is the ability of Ubuntu upon install to detect Windows XP and partition the HD correctly. Right now the only way I managed to get it  to detect the win XP is to pre-partition the drive.
[04:25] <sinope> nalioth: software for using palm pilots
[04:25] <nalioth> sinope: jpilot interfaces with many PIMs
[04:25] <j0rd1> Battlecat, that is job of the Debian Installer team
[04:25] <nalioth> sinope: evolution, kdepim(or whatever its called)
[04:25] <Battlecat> Oh really j0rd1
[04:25] <Battlecat> I did not know that
[04:25] <sinope> nalioth: thanks
[04:26] <j0rd1> now you know Battlecat :D
[04:26] <sinope> one other thing
[04:27] <sinope> slackware has a package with bash completion
[04:27] <Davey> what is the gnome-vfs-daemon?
[04:27] <sinope> makes it so you can tab complete manpages, automatically open ps with ggv, dvi with xdvi, etc....
[04:27] <nalioth> sinope: bash completion is here too
[04:27] <sinope> nalioth: read above
[04:27] <sinope> nalioth: it's an extension
[04:27] <j0rd1> sinope, source /etc/bash_completion
[04:28] <sinope> j0rd1: :
[04:28] <nickrud> sinope it's there, .bashrc has it comment out
[04:28] <sinope> :) thanks
[04:28] <Battlecat> What I really like is how easy it is to install software with Ubuntu. I did not like the other attempts with Linux because of Dependency Hell.
[04:28] <sinope> i missed out on some of this stuff because i saved my home dir from slack
[04:28] <j0rd1> sinope, uncomment it in /etc/bash.profile
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> Battlecat: it inherited that from debian :)
[04:28] <sinope> j0rd1: i just put it in my .profile
[04:28] <j0rd1> sure, sinope or just uncomment it from /etc/bash.profile
[04:29] <sinope> i don't like editing systemwide files unless necessary
[04:29] <nickrud> heh, sinope my .bashrc is very old, so listen to someone else :)
[04:29] <sinope> i try to keep a server mentality even on my home box
[04:29] <Battlecat> Its amazing the amount of detail that goes into some Linux progs. Take XSANE for example. Talk about detail there. I didnt get that level of easy managable control in any of the Windows software packages including Adobe and Macromedia.
[04:31] <DAC1138> how do i install a metacity theme in gnome?
[04:32] <DAC1138> i cant for the life of me figure out how
[04:32] <Battlecat> What I would like to know is does anyone know of a good web development IDE for Linux? I know of NVU, Bluefish, Quanta (cant get it to work correctly), and Screem.
[04:32] <psychonate|food> DAC1138, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[04:33] <nalioth> DAC1138: there is a theme manager
[04:33] <j0rd1> DAC1138, System -> preferences -> Themes
[04:33] <Dvondrake> partition magic IS the easiest and safest way to partition, right?
[04:33] <j0rd1> sure Dvondrake
[04:33] <^thehatsrule^> theyre all good Dvondrake
[04:33] <Battlecat> I think so Dvondrake.
[04:33] <Dvondrake> ok
[04:34] <goldfish> cfdisk is alright
[04:34] <goldfish> well
[04:34] <Dvondrake> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/, i want to get the first one right? (i have a p4 3ghz HT)
[04:34] <Battlecat> But obey the first comandment of computers BACK-UP! :)
[04:34] <Battlecat> \
[04:34] <Dvondrake> lol ok
[04:34] <Dvondrake> :)
[04:34] <spartas> Battlecat, I've always used eclipse with the PHPeclipse plugin when using IDEs, but now I stick with vi/vim and its syntax highlighting
[04:35] <Battlecat> Ah Spartas I have heard some people say this before. I was so spoiled with Dreamweaver.
[04:35] <psychonate|food> DAC1138, that help?
[04:36] <DAC1138> nalioth, i know, but no matter how i try to install the theme, it sayd its an invalid format
[04:36] <DAC1138> psychonate|food, a little, thanks for the link
[04:36] <nickrud> although I use vim, emacs with some wierd plugin is supposed to work halfway decently
[04:36] <spartas> I've actually considered going back to dreamweaver using wine, but just haven't tried installing it using wine yet
[04:36] <DAC1138> psychonate|food, i already know all that though, it just wasnt working properly
[04:36] <psychonate|food> ahh
[04:36] <psychonate|food> don't know about that
[04:36] <DAC1138> i had to manually move the theme folder over
[04:36] <psychonate|food> I actually use that site to get themes to use in XFCE4 heh
[04:36] <Battlecat> I don't really like WINE. I have gotten Photoshop 7 to work on it fine but well I dont want to use WINE with this slow machine.
[04:37] <psychonate|food> Battlecat, no one LIKES wine
[04:37] <nalioth> DAC1138: yes, check the faq
[04:37] <psychonate|food> Battlecat, it is a necessary evil at best
[04:37] <Guerin> wine is yumma
[04:37] <Guerin> y
[04:37] <Guerin> well
[04:37] <Guerin> GOOD wine is.
[04:37] <psychonate|food> Guerin, we're not quite on the same page ;)
[04:37] <j0rd1> Wine is good, specially if its red
[04:38] <Battlecat> LOL
[04:38] <nickrud> liebfraumilch (sp) is best
[04:38] <nalioth> red like blood
[04:38] <j0rd1> and not canadien :P
[04:38] <Guerin> bah, liebfraumilch
[04:38] <FR500> hello
[04:38] <Battlecat> Well I see it this way. I cannot afford to purchase the new PS so I will keep my 7.0 and use it on my other machine when needed.
[04:38] <nickrud> cheese, wine, women, and bread, and a view (in case the women are not)
[04:38] <magog> how do i change the splash screen?
[04:39] <goldfish> Battlecat: got a fast connection?
[04:39] <spartas> Battlecat, I've got CS but it won't run under wine
[04:40] <FR500> i was following the ndiswrapper howto i found on ubuntu wikim, but when compiling i got this error: Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[04:40] <FR500> what do i do?
[04:40] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ magog
[04:40] <magog> k
[04:40] <j0rd1> install kernel headers FR500
[04:40] <Battlecat> Well Spartas I got it to run but well that is all I can say its slow even on a fast machine.
[04:41] <j0rd1> or linux-lheaders
[04:41] <FR500> j0rd1, i did
[04:41] <j0rd1> linux-headers
[04:41] <Battlecat> It also is limited to its ability to work with 48 bit color
[04:41] <goldfish> FR500: did u apt-get it ?
[04:41] <ryan_> anyone have trouble running realplayer?
[04:41] <FR500> goldfish, yes
[04:41] <j0rd1> or linux-lheaders-2.6.10-5-286
[04:41] <goldfish> hmmm
[04:41] <FR500> j0rd1, exactly but with a 3
[04:42] <j0rd1> sure
[04:42] <j0rd1> lol
[04:42] <Battlecat> Ive considered going back to windows just for my Macromedia Suite
[04:42] <nickrud> ryan_ no
[04:42] <j0rd1> what do you need it for FR500 ?
[04:42] <ryan_> it installs, but when i try to open it nothing happens..
[04:42] <spartas> Battlecat, now it will be Adobe for future versions
[04:42] <nickrud> ryan_ how did you install it?
[04:43] <Battlecat> Spartas like so true so true.
[04:43] <FR500> ndiswrapper that comes with hoary doesnt work with my card
[04:43] <FR500> so i was following this
[04:43] <goldfish> FR500: did u install build-essential ?
[04:43] <FR500> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:43] <ryan_> sudo apt-get install realplayer
[04:43] <FR500> goldfish, of course
[04:43] <goldfish> heh
[04:43] <goldfish> :)
[04:43] <j0rd1> i got it working ryan_
[04:43] <Battlecat> how do you burn a C with the native install of Ubuntu?
[04:43] <Battlecat> C= Cd
[04:43] <j0rd1> burn a C? what do u mean?
[04:44] <spartas> now they keep the good adobe stuff and throw in dreamweaver and flash and they own the world
[04:44] <nickrud> ryan_ this is one of the few program's I do not let ubuntu install
[04:44] <j0rd1> just insert the cd an drag the files to the new opened window Battlecat
[04:44] <nalioth> Battlecat: there is some hokey built-into-nautilus cd burning thing
[04:44] <ryan_> so should i just build it myself
[04:44] <FR500> goldfish, is there a linux source package or something i'm missing?
[04:44] <j0rd1> you cant build realplayer ryan_
[04:44] <j0rd1> you can install linux-source-2.6
[04:44] <ryan_> run the script rather
[04:44] <Battlecat> Yeah I know Spartas. But you think of it this way they might be dropping the price of a license because Adobe has far better distrobution status
[04:44] <gamemastax`> Hello everyone :)
[04:44] <nickrud> ryan_ I got the rp10 gold(?) from realplayer's site, and put it in /opt
[04:45] <ryan_> yeh i tried that off ubuntus site, still nothing though
[04:45] <FR500> goldfish, should there be something on the dir it mentions? (build) it's empty for me
[04:46] <goldfish> hmm, im not sure
[04:46] <dimeo> I totally need help with this:   when I try to run Firefox or Symantic I get " /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:46] <dimeo> "
[04:46] <nickrud> ryan_ realplayer in ubuntu, is the old realplayer 8 (according to apt-cache show).
[04:46] <dimeo> I think it has something to do with sym-links
[04:46] <gamemastax`> go get firefox again
[04:46] <gamemastax`> install it
[04:46] <gamemastax`> :o
[04:47] <dimeo> apt-get and synaptic both give the same message
[04:47] <gamemastax`> oh
[04:47] <j0rd1> dimeo, you-ll need libstdc++5
[04:47] <spartas> hey, if they had any sense they would release it for linux (GPL'd of course) so we wouln't have to run it on win emulators and still charge the mac and win customers
[04:47] <gamemastax`> ubuntu is damn sexy
[04:47] <HostingGeek> gamemastax`: please
[04:47] <Battlecat> I don't know spartas. I have to admit that "sometimes" you do get what you pay for.
[04:47] <gamemastax`> Please what? o.O
[04:48] <ryan_> i have two sections that say version: one is 8 and one is 10
[04:48] <nbvk> if i wanted to have ubuntu and winxp dual boot but able to read and write documents in both whats the easiest/best way to setup my hard drive partittions?
[04:48] <gamemastax`> I feel all 1337 h4x now that I use linux
[04:48] <nickrud> ryan_ you have marillat, right?
[04:48] <j0rd1> nbvk, partition magic
[04:48] <gamemastax`> nbvk: set up the winxp partition as fat
[04:48] <gamemastax`> or fat32
[04:48] <ryan_> i dont know what that is
[04:48] <gamemastax`> then you should be able to read/write from both
[04:49] <dimeo> # locate libstdc++.so.5 returns me with /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7
[04:49] <Battlecat> When I wanted to Dual boot I had to reformat my drive and when I did so I created 3 partitions and used the first for Win XP.
[04:49] <nbvk> is there any trouble with other xp machines trying to read the fat32 partition if it was shared with samba?
[04:49] <angela_> they need a plug and play linux ... all this crappy configurations sucks
[04:49] <gamemastax`> I'm installing mine for dual boot right now.
[04:50] <spartas> You may be right about that Battlecat, but they should release a version for us linux addicts (though I don't know how they could charge for it)
[04:50] <gamemastax`> winxp/ubuntu
[04:50] <fishie> what fun would a plug and play linux be?
[04:50] <gdarel> Does anyone know where I can can get stock high rez images of the ubuntu grapgic?
[04:50] <gamemastax`> so i'll tell you if it works, nbvk.  Feel free to /msg me
[04:50] <nbvk> gamemastax`: yea i've got that on this comp too, i just wanted to use linux as main OS instead of the main OS being winxp
[04:50] <nickrud> ryan_ you must have an extra line in your sources.list
[04:50] <nickrud> ryan_ a non ubuntu one
[04:50] <angela_> atleast from install it would work... configur to improve
[04:50] <gamemastax`> nbvk: ntfs cannot be read/written from linux
[04:50] <Xire> Anyone here have experience with 2C-I and possibly a way I can "install" it to my person? I'd aprpeciate a private messege :)
[04:51] <gamemastax`> nbvk: that's the default partition type for winxp
[04:51] <j0rd1> gamemastax`, sure it can be read/write with kernel 2.6
[04:51] <gamemastax`> Heh, I read a tutorial stating that it couldn't.
[04:51] <j0rd1> that was like 2 years ago gamemastax`
[04:51] <dimeo> how can i get this file libstdc++.so.5.0 if apt-get and firefox won't work without it?
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: no.
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> it can not be written
[04:52] <j0rd1> and nyou could still do that with kernel 2.4 but you had to setup some expereimental stuff
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> unless you are using captive NTFS
[04:52] <ryan_> nerrim
[04:52] <gdarel> Does anyone know where I can can get stock high rez images of the ubuntu graphic?
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> the default ntfs driver, CANNOT write
[04:52] <spartas> does anyone know if breezy has/will have better audio cd support than previous ubuntu releases?
[04:52] <gamemastax`> OH SNAP UBUNTU IS INSTALLED ONE ONE ONE
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> gdarel: they are on the wiki somwhere in xvg installed
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> er svg
[04:52] <j0rd1> i havent tried it with ubuntu HrdwrBoB, but with a vanilla kernel you can
[04:52] <spartas> sorry, meant cd burning support
[04:52] <Battlecat> Well Spartas I think that by charing for it the same way that Windows users pay. I would gladly pay for a nice boxed set for linux of those tools
[04:52] <gamemastax`> DUDE
[04:52] <gamemastax`> OMG
[04:53] <gamemastax`> I CREAM MY PANTS
[04:53] <gamemastax`> hah, sorry
[04:53] <gamemastax`> ubuntu is so damn sexy
[04:53] <nbvk> gamemastax` ?
[04:53] <fishie> sploodge?
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: unless this has changed very recently
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> you cannot write to ntfs.
[04:53] <gamemastax`> Err... now i'm logged into ubuntu and my mouse isn't moving o.o
[04:53] <spartas> Battlecat, the problem with that would be they would have to release it in a binary form (no source code available), and that would be sadistic
[04:53] <Battlecat> Well time to get some real work done - all while listening to the great Hitchhikers Guide to the galaxy
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> unless you are using captive ntfs
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> in which case, you can use it fine
[04:54] <dimeo> can someone send me the file on x-chat?  libstdc++.so.5
[04:54] <j0rd1> i really don't know HrdwrBoB, but when configuring a new kernel, you can just select read/write support, nothing fancy really, anyways...
[04:54] <gamemastax`> someone help me? I think it's frozen o.o
[04:54] <crimsun> dimeo: look for the package that contains that file using packages.ubuntu.com
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: yes you can
[04:54] <Battlecat> Spartas I know this goes against the grain of linux users but well the reason it is so damned good is that they have a great team of programmers and a big  budget for real research.
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: and it's unsupported
[04:54] <j0rd1> crimsun, you can use apt-file also
[04:54] <gamemastax`> The clock is still moving but nothing else will work
[04:54] <dimeo> synaptic and firefox won't run without it =(
[04:54] <crimsun> j0rd1: sure, after updating
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: strictly you can only write to files of the same size
[04:54] <j0rd1> i did that before with some debian machines HrdwrBoB
[04:54] <fishie> why does the gnome bittorrent program suck so badly?
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: other than that it can kill the filesystem
[04:55] <crimsun> fishie: because you haven't helped fix it
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> you need to do a check after you write to it
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> and it may die
[04:55] <nbvk> fishie: just use azureus
[04:55] <fishie> i do
[04:55] <fishie> :)
[04:55] <j0rd1> ooh, didn't know that.... i really dont have any ntfs partitions anymore... :D
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> for all intents and purposes, you CANNOT usentfs as a refuglar writable filesystem without captive ntfs
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: so please don't tell people they can
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> because they can seriously break things
[04:55] <gamemastax`> nice!
[04:56] <gamemastax`> I got winxp and ubuntu dual boot cross-platform read/write
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: captive NTFS is essentially a wrapper around the windows NTFS driver, that works
[04:56] <j0rd1> sorry HrdwrBoB, its just i never had any trouble with it...
[04:56] <fazer> Hello, has anyone here tried the reiserf FS?
[04:56] <ablyss> fazer, yep
[04:56] <goldfish> i have
[04:56] <Battlecat> Hey Gamemastax how did you get it so that files can be read and wrote to by both OSes
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: that's cool, just filesystem corruption is never fun
[04:57] <j0rd1> of course
[04:57] <j0rd1> thanks for the tip
[04:57] <gamemastax`> Err... Battlecat: I just formatted my xp partition as fat32
[04:57] <gamemastax`> and it worked fine
[04:57] <Battlecat> thats it?
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> fat32 works fine in linux
[04:57] <nickrud> lol, a simple solution to a complex problem
[04:57] <FR500> goldfish, there is this note
[04:57] <FR500> Make sure you have started compiling the kernel sources, so needed header files are present.
[04:57] <Battlecat> Ok is FAT any slower or is it faster than NTFS?
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> then you can use an ext2 driver for windows
[04:57] <ablyss> depends on how you define "fine" :)
[04:58] <FR500> goldfish, what does it mean=
[04:58] <FR500> ?
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: you can just get the linux-headers package
[04:58] <FR500> HrdwrBoB, i did
[04:58] <gamemastax`> ntfs is very optimal... but fat or fat32 aren't but worse
[04:58] <j0rd1> he already tried that
[04:58] <spartas> true, Battlecat, but with all the linux distributions, an adobe suite would have to be precompiled for every type of system out there running on every conceived linux distribution (now I realise that it's possible with the many linux users out there, but it would be very difficult when trying to limit who gets access to the source code)
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: then you are fine
[04:58] <FR500> but make fails
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: pastebin.com the errro
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> error
[04:58] <FR500> ok
[04:59] <fazer> ablyss: do you get that option when you are installing Ubuntu?
[04:59] <FR500> HrdwrBoB,
[04:59] <FR500> http://pastebin.com/296255
[04:59] <nalioth> gamemastax`: good on ya, fat32 solves lots of problems when coexisting iwth linux
[04:59] <Battlecat> Well Spartas imagine if Adobe said " Today God I mean Adobe said they will will produce a version for Mandrake" Imagine how many mandrake user there would be in 24 hours.
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: ndiswrapper is already included
[05:00] <Battlecat> But with FAT32 are there any real stability issues?
[05:00] <Battlecat> I do not want to lose my work.
[05:00] <nalioth> Battlecat: stability in what way?
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[05:00] <FR500> HrdwrBoB, that version doesnt work with mine
[05:00] <nickrud> Battlecat and just imagine just how many people would be warping that mandrake install for other distros
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> ahh
[05:00] <FR500> so i did this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:01] <spartas> Battlecat, exactly why if they release it for linux, they should release the source code (GPL'd); it would be cool, but it probably won't ever happen
[05:01] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: ok, run KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) make
[05:01] <nalioth> Battlecat: the linux kernel has to have itw own FS to run in (in most cases), so yer stability is pretty much assured
[05:01] <Battlecat> True True nickrud but the point being is that people will adjust to the situation. Im more interested in the tools I have.
[05:01] <HostingGeek> heh sarge is out
[05:01] <HrdwrBoB> HostingGeek: er wtf
[05:01] <j0rd1> hey, i already switched to ubuntu...
[05:01] <Battlecat> What I mean nalioth is will Windows run worse with FAT32?
[05:01] <nickrud> Battlecat I do agree on tools for the job. I use the ones I need.
[05:01] <FR500> man, thanks
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> Battlecat: not detectably
[05:02] <DAC1138> alright, got a problem. when i installed ubuntu, i had my wifi card in, and i installed using it as my main net source
[05:02] <nickrud> Battlecat another prayer would be helpful
[05:02] <DAC1138> now ubuntu wont use my builtin ethernet card
[05:02] <Battlecat> Not a problem there nickrud
[05:02] <nalioth> Battlecat: nope, you lose some "security functionality" in winduhs 2k and xp, but when were they secured WITH ntfs?
[05:02] <DAC1138> i eject the wifi card, and it wont revert back to the ethernet card
[05:02] <gamemastax`> so does wireless on linux suck as bad as I hear?
[05:02] <Battlecat> In fact Ill email the pope (bill gates) and have him issue one as well.
[05:02] <DAC1138> gamemastax`, so far, yes
[05:03] <gamemastax`> sigh
[05:03] <DAC1138> gamemastax`, it works, but i cant get ethernet to work now
[05:03] <gamemastax`> that's all i have to work with
[05:03] <FR500> gamemastax`, it's matter of luck, with some cards works out of the box
[05:03] <gamemastax`> i've no other cards
[05:03] <gamemastax`> it's a laptop
[05:03] <gamemastax`> it's built in
[05:03] <FR500> gamemastax`, what card u got?
[05:03] <gamemastax`> it damn well better work
[05:03] <FR500> u on ubuntu now?
[05:03] <gamemastax`> i'm on windows
[05:03] <gamemastax`> installing my drivers
[05:03] <gamemastax`> but i'll tell you the model when it gets to it
[05:04] <j0rd1> gamemastax`, if its a centrino, you wont have any trouble
[05:04] <FR500> ok
[05:04] <FR500> j0rd1, how come?
[05:04] <gamemastax`> it's a presario
[05:04] <FR500> j0rd1, what does processor have to do with it?
[05:04] <Battlecat> Feel the power of Ubuntu. Feel it flow through the walls its does. Know now that George Lucas is planning an all out assult on the planet NA-Ubuntu as we speak he does.
[05:04] <j0rd1> most of the centrino laptops have intel wireless
[05:04] <nickrud> Battlecat I almost missed that, and thanks :)
[05:04] <j0rd1> they work just fine FR500
[05:04] <gamemastax`> Quirky status bars
[05:04] <eddie> Hi guys
[05:05] <FR500> j0rd1, but most have 902.11b wireless included
[05:05] <eddie> Just did something kinda cool
[05:05] <FR500> j0rd1, most people or many ppl will upgrade
[05:05] <j0rd1> i have this one
[05:05] <j0rd1> Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
[05:05] <j0rd1> and like 10 more laptops with intel wireless
[05:05] <eddie> I cant use the internet on linux at the moment as my desktop has a winmodem
[05:05] <FR500> j0rd1, max 11mbps
[05:05] <j0rd1> and they have worked just out of the box
[05:05] <eddie> then I realised how easy it would be to connect on the laptop on windows and connect through it
[05:05] <gamemastax`> Broadcom 802.11b, 802.11g
[05:05] <gamemastax`> that's my model
[05:05] <eddie> works out windows ICF is just a DHCP server
[05:06] <Battlecat> Well it is time. SEe you in a bit nickrud and friends.
[05:06] <Davey> eddie: haha
[05:06] <FR500> gamemastax`, Broadcom.....same luck as me, gonna have to work for it
[05:06] <eddie> so all I needed to do was disable the one on my router, and ifdown and up
[05:06] <Battlecat> Theme music fades out.
[05:06] <eddie> and got net until the modem arrives in the post
[05:06] <DAC1138> so any idea about reverting to my ethernet card?
[05:06] <j0rd1> havent tried broadcom wireless... :(
[05:06] <FR500> j0rd1, many many cards use broadcom chipsets
[05:06] <eddie> Davey: its messy but it was very impressive how easy it was in ubuntu
[05:06] <j0rd1> havent seen those FR500
[05:07] <FR500> linksys?
[05:07] <blackgibson> I have a broadcom wifi card running on linux via ndiswrapper
[05:07] <FR500> blackgibson, ubuntu hoary?
[05:07] <eddie> anyways does anyone here use xshupwars?
[05:07] <gamemastax`> FR500, how did you fix it
[05:07] <Davey> eddie: yeah, Ubuntu rocks :D
[05:07] <nemik> i love ubuntu too!
[05:07] <FR500> gamemastax`, i'm doing it now
[05:07] <nemik> but have a question.
[05:07] <FR500> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:07] <blackgibson> yup
[05:07] <FR500> IT WORKED!!!!!!
[05:07] <FR500> at last
[05:08] <j0rd1> nice FR500 !!
[05:08] <FR500> no monitor mode though
[05:08] <eddie> Davey: I had to quit using linux about 2 years ago, until now, as it really didnt get along with my lcd monitor
[05:08] <Davey> really? wow
[05:08] <eddie> Davey: it still doesnt, except now I just use it anyway....
[05:08] <Davey> heh
[05:08] <Davey> I'd wager it was your gfx card ;)
[05:08] <Davey> drivers at least :)
[05:08] <FR500> eddie, what is wrong with the monitor?
[05:08] <nemik> i'm having a performance issue with i guess permissions being lost or something. i run a command line app from root terminal and after a few days it won't write to a certain folder anymore. i'm hoping booting into just root console sans GNOME will be better. how can i do this?
[05:09] <eddie> FR500: general blurryness, its an old TFT, 2 years old ish now
[05:09] <IIIEars> Are there any PhotoShop/G.I.M.P. Gurus that can point me to the best photo editing tutorial?
[05:09] <nalioth> nemik: <ctrl><alt><f3>
[05:09] <Davey> IIIEars: my wife found the GIMP Book for me the other day
[05:09] <eddie> FR500: if I connected a CRT right now chances are all would be merry
[05:09] <edwin> hi
[05:09] <Davey> IIIEars:  http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html
[05:09] <Guerin> IIIEars: there's not really a 'photo editing tutorial' - it's all about wht you want to do
[05:09] <IIIEars> Sounds good maybe i can find a copy on amazon
[05:09] <eddie> FR500: or had an accident with this thing and called the insurance company.....
[05:09] <nemik> nalioth, how about having it boot each time into just root withouteven loading GNOME?
[05:09] <Guerin> grokking the gimp is p[retty good
[05:09] <Davey> IIIEars: its freely available online :)
[05:10] <nalioth> nemik: that is a question for some1 else
[05:10] <Davey> Grokking the GIMP, that is
[05:10] <blackgibson> IIIEars: The GIMP Bible is good, if outdated
[05:10] <nemik> nalioth, np, thanks for the first one though
[05:10] <FR500> eddie, lol, i didnt understand anything
[05:10] <nalioth> nemik: i don't think X is your problem
[05:10] <FR500> gamemastax`, if you need help to get it to work let me know
[05:11] <nemik> nalioth: what do you think it would be?
[05:11] <Guerin> IIIEars: please don't message me.
[05:11] <nemik> i run the app from root terminal
[05:11] <IIIEars> okay - excuse me.
[05:11] <edwin> hello has anyone gotten their ipod to work with ubuntu
[05:11] <eddie> Its just amazing how ubuntu handles hardware
[05:11] <eddie> although this computer is 2 years old
[05:11] <eddie> id consider it decent hardware
[05:11] <nemik> and after a few days none of the programs (file explorer, etc) will even load so i have to reboot
[05:11] <nalioth> nemik: user permissions and X usually don't have anything to do with the other
[05:11] <eddie> I keep an applet running at the top monitoring a few things
[05:12] <nemik> read above your response, it seems to degrade somehow
[05:12] <eddie> and I havent once seen it resort to using swap
[05:12] <Guerin> IIIEars: you just need to narrow down what you want to do to something a bit more specific than photo editing, then research that topic
[05:12] <IIIEars> I appreciate the link. :) - Ubuntu is terrific!
[05:12] <j0rd1> eddie, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[05:12] <nalioth> edwin: do you use gtkpod?
[05:12] <Guerin> IIIEars: start with some basic principles and go from there
[05:12] <eddie> j0rd1: is that the installing on an Ipod one? lol
[05:12] <j0rd1> eddie, when you plugin your ipod you can copy your music to your HD with rhythmbox
[05:12] <edwin> no... don't even know what that is, to be honest
[05:12] <j0rd1> nope eddie
[05:12] <gamemastax`> Alright guys... at the very least i can get wireless working on my laptop
[05:12] <gamemastax`> so we'll see how things work
[05:12] <nickrud> nemik if you remove /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm, ubuntu will boot into a login, you can login as root there. (assuming I haven't totally mised your point)
[05:12] <gamemastax`> thanks for your help
[05:12] <gamemastax`> bye
[05:12] <edwin> i will look into it though. thank you nalioth.
[05:12] <nalioth> edwin: ya got two places to start lookin
[05:13] <IIIEars> Thanks again :)
[05:13] <j0rd1> eddie, thats the one that teaches you how to setupyou ubuntu to use your ipod with gtkpod
[05:13] <edwin> i see
[05:13] <nemik> nickrud: thanks, may have to do that. i still want the option to boot into the GUI sometimes, but would for now like to test more in just terminal with root access
[05:14] <edwin> does anyone still use galeon?
[05:14] <eddie> galeon?
[05:14] <FR500> now i'm on wifi with my WPC54gs, it rocks
[05:14] <eddie> that a browser?
[05:14] <eddie> I used to use it years ago
[05:14] <edwin> yes
[05:14] <j0rd1> no eddie, galeon is so outdated
[05:14] <j0rd1> i wasnt even included in woody
[05:14] <nickrud> nemik if you remove the link I mentioned, then, as yourself, echo "gnome-session" > .xsession, you can startx as yourself and get the gui
[05:14] <spartas> how 'bout lynx?
[05:14] <eddie> I remember using it and konqueror
[05:14] <edwin> what are some of the good gnome apps being developed today?
[05:14] <edwin> sorry but i am a linux/ubuntu newb
[05:15] <eddie> lol my last distro before this one was slink
[05:15] <edwin> trying to make the switch
[05:15] <eddie> a really broken install aswell
[05:15] <j0rd1> eddie, use firefox
[05:15] <eddie> was a CD posted out by a guy called philip hands
[05:15] <nemik> nickrud, thank you very much!
[05:15] <eddie> j0rd1: yeah its fast as hell on ubuntu
[05:15] <HostingGeek> j0rd1: changed your nick here?
[05:15] <HostingGeek> j0rd1: changed your nick heh?
[05:15] <j0rd1> what do you mean HostingGeek ?
[05:16] <nickrud> nemik as I reread that, it's pretty obscure, so, if you need expansion ....
[05:16] <HostingGeek> j0rd1: are you not jordi or jordim?
[05:16] <j0rd1> nope HostingGeek.... there are many jordis out there... :)
[05:16] <j0rd1> i think jordim would be jordi mas, im jordi adame
[05:16] <nalioth> paroxetine: i use it
[05:16] <eddie> there are many Eddies out there too
[05:17] <eddie> I regularly have to ghost people to get using my own nick
[05:17] <paroxetine> nalioth, are you referring to galeon?
[05:17] <nalioth> paroxetine: yes i use galeon
[05:17] <nalioth> paroxetine: i find ff bloated and almost useless
[05:17] <paroxetine> nalioth, how did you get it installed? apt didn't seem to have it.
[05:17] <josue> hey, can someone help me reinstall grub?
[05:17] <nalioth> paroxetine: reallY? its in main
[05:18] <paroxetine> nalioth, yes, so do it but i just want to install it for sentimentel reasons
[05:18] <josue> im getting a error 15 when i boot
[05:18] <paroxetine> :P
[05:18] <paroxetine> nalioth, i tried apt-get install galeon
[05:18] <nickrud> the only thing missing from epiphany
[05:18] <nalioth> paroxetine: try apt-cache search galeon
[05:18] <paroxetine> nalioth, ok will do right now
[05:18] <nalioth> nickrud: is a browser?
[05:18] <nalioth> couldnt resist
[05:19] <nickrud> nalioth yeah, you jerk ;P
[05:19] <crimsun> evening, mike
[05:19] <nalioth> nickrud: here's the juxtapostion that my brain showed me
[05:19] <tritium> hi daniel
[05:19] <nalioth> < nickrud> the only thing missing from epiphany
[05:19] <nalioth> 22:17 < nalioth> nickrud: is a browser?
[05:19] <paroxetine> nalioth, apt-cache finds it
[05:19] <paroxetine> but i can't install
[05:19] <nalioth> tritium: evenin
[05:20] <paroxetine> says coldn't find package galeon
[05:20] <tritium> hey nalioth
[05:20] <nalioth> paroxetine: is it giving you errors? have you tried using synaptic?
[05:20] <nickrud> nalioth hah,
[05:20] <j0rd1> well
[05:21] <j0rd1> gotta go
[05:21] <j0rd1> c ya'll later
[05:21] <kalias> Hi!  I was wondering if anyone has had problems installing limewire?
[05:21] <paroxetine> no error
[05:21] <paroxetine> but is telling me packge couldn't be found
[05:21] <nickrud> nalioth you missed 'save this excruciatingly searched tabs into a folder so I never have to do this again'
[05:21] <nalioth> paroxetine: try using synaptic
[05:21] <nickrud> s/this/these/
[05:22] <nalioth> nickrud: yes, i've been in and out of the chair here
[05:23] <kalias> nickrud: Hi!  You seem to be a regular here.
[05:23] <FR500> what does the network monitor applet use to read intensity?
[05:23] <FR500> with this card its always at 100
[05:23] <nickrud> kalias I keep this open, but in actuality drop in and out
[05:24] <kalias> Do you know of any limewire install experts I can chat at?
[05:24] <nickrud> I still haven't really figured out the etiquette
[05:24] <blackgibson> kalias: its much easier just to apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[05:25] <nickrud> kalias yeah, I'm a limewire expert. Don't use it
[05:25] <kalias> oh, okay.  I just installed it as per the handbook and the install did not work.
[05:25] <kalias> what is better than limewire?  I have not used it before so I was going to give it a try.
[05:25] <nickrud> kalias blackgibson has the easy way to use that p2p network
[05:26] <kalias> blackgibson: are you the local p2p guru?
[05:27] <_kevin> i downloaded the set up win32codec as instructed on ubuntuguide but I'm still unable to play a video file in .mpg format
[05:27] <_kevin> wmv work fine
[05:27] <_kevin> and avi also work good
[05:27] <kalias> crumbs...gotta run.   I will be back in a bit and try to sort it out then.  Thanks for your help. :)
[05:29] <nalioth> _kevin: otherwise
[05:29] <FR500> Scorp, not many linux drivers are supported by wpa-supplicant
[05:29] <_kevin> ohh.. I got it froma  torrent it's a preview for a game
[05:29] <Scorp> FR500 this one should be, I'm just wondering how easy is the download
[05:29] <Scorp> and installation
[05:29] <_kevin> on the website it say 47 mb and when i downloaded its 47 mb
[05:30] <Scorp> is it automated or do I have to do it all by hand
[05:30] <eddie> I only have one problem with ubuntu
[05:30] <eddie> and thats that playing AVIs in it sucks badly
[05:30] <nalioth> _kevin: there is no telling
[05:30] <FR500> Scorp, if you got wireless to work, and it's supported should not be that complex
[05:30] <eddie> sound and video are never synched and playback is jerky
[05:30] <jind> dimeo, man ln (Check out the -s switch)
[05:30] <Scorp> FR500 cool
[05:30] <Scorp> when I install ubuntu I'll try
[05:30] <nalioth> eddie: thats not all on linux, avi being a "format wrapper"
[05:31] <Scorp> apt-get is what ubuntu uses to get packages right?
[05:31] <eddie> nalioth: when I play the same file on windows, its flawless
[05:31] <nalioth> eddie: winduhs has more access to codecs
[05:31] <tyler_> how can i get programs to run that u download?
[05:31] <_kevin> scorp: yes
[05:31] <Tommy> hey, I have a quick question about ubuntu and networking: I'm currently running a two computer network at my house and the host pc is running windows, is it possible for me to continue my wireless network when I switch to ubuntu, even though the host computer is running windows? any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks.
[05:31] <FR500> tyler_, what?
[05:32] <_kevin> tyler_: depends wether it's source or a package
[05:32] <Scorp> ok anyone get the ipw2200 driver to work with WPA_Supplicant on ubuntu?
[05:32] <nalioth> Tommy: your host computer is providing the wireless gateway?
[05:32] <bignose_> .. i forgot how great it was to have a *nix desktop.
[05:32] <tyler_> ..i downloaded msn messenger and it says it cant find it =/
[05:32] <_kevin> tyler_: sources you can compile and they should work, some packages you have to convert to .deb and install
[05:32] <_kevin> ohh msn is .exe
[05:32] <Tommy> yes, the host (windows) computer has the main modem with the router hooked up
[05:32] <Tommy> this pc is on the wireless adaptor
[05:32] <bignose_> cept not playing mp3 by default is bull**** :)
[05:33] <tyler_> how do i convert the files?
[05:33] <_kevin> you can only install .tar.gz or .deb or linux program
[05:33] <Sero> Can anyone in here please help me?
[05:33] <Scorp> Tommy there is a wireless router? is it independed of the windows computer?
[05:33] <_kevin> tyler_: to run msn you need Wine
[05:33] <nalioth> Tommy: you can set up ubuntu to share wirelessly
[05:33] <tyler_> right, but how do i convert.
[05:33] <FR500> Tommy, if your card is supported you can have your network just as it was with windows
[05:33] <tyler_> Wine...and were do i get that?
[05:33] <Scorp> Tommy what model router do you have?
[05:33] <FR500> tyler_, use gaim
[05:33] <nalioth> tyler_: gaim does msn messenger
[05:33] <_kevin> tyler_: yes
[05:33] <Tommy> its a netgear router, let me check the model one sec
[05:34] <FR500> tyler_, you dont convert
[05:34] <Scorp> (What FR500 saying is correct, Tommy, the OS shouldn't matter but you may be confused about what's actually providing the wireless)
[05:34] <eddie> if he needs to use Internet Connection Sharing at least he'll know that part of the bargain is dead simple
[05:34] <blackgibson> tyler_: JUst dont expect voice or video
[05:34] <eddie> I spent ages trying to do it using a more complicated method
[05:34] <tyler_> a freind of mine told me to get lunix....and i windows is getting to old..
[05:34] <Scorp> Tommy so the OS on the Windows computer doesn't matter, they are both "clients" to the router
[05:34] <richard> Where in Kubuntu does one change the 'root password'? I installed mc 'Midnight Commander' and I can't get it to respond in the root mode. . . says in need to be in 'root'.
[05:34] <Jormundgand> richard, sudo.
[05:34] <_kevin> tyler_: www.ubuntufourms.org for a guide on how to install Wine and Wine Tools, you
[05:34] <locomorto> richard: sudo mc
[05:34] <FR500> tyler_, use linux if you don't mind lurking here for endless hours
[05:34] <Scorp> Just because the Windows computer connects with a wire doesn't make it special
[05:34] <FR500> or reading a lot
[05:34] <locomorto> richard: its the same as your user password
[05:34] <tyler_> lol
[05:35] <Scorp> Linux is a strategy game
[05:35] <richard> Thanks guys!
[05:35] <locomorto> richard: for the first account you set up only though, others have to become sudoers throuhg a special list of some such
[05:35] <benplaut> Scorp: i think it's impossible to win...
[05:35] <Jormundgand> Scorp: Which makes Windows...what?
[05:35] <eddie> I hate dialup
[05:35] <eddie> I feel like im the only one using it sometimes
[05:35] <Methynutnut> Jormundgand: a FPS. Shoot the paperclip!
[05:35] <Scorp> Windows? A lonely card game, I believe they call it "Solitaire"
[05:35] <eddie> Jormundgand: An annoying reality tv show
[05:35] <Jormundgand> Hah.
[05:36] <FR500> how long does it take to pass a 200mb file thru fastethernet?
[05:36] <FR500> i'm testing my wifi
[05:36] <_kevin> i think totem is not working properly since i followed the guide to get alsa to work with gnome
[05:36] <tchmnky> Any idea what I'd enter into grep to retrieve a list of http:// links in an HTML src doc?
[05:36] <Guerin> FR500: 100 mbit eth does about 8mbytes per sec, under optimal conditions
[05:36] <Tommy> ok sorry about that, my router is a netgear Model WGB111 and the router is hooked up to the cable modem which is hooked up to the windows pc (am i making any sense at all? lol sorry)
[05:37] <Guerin> realistically more like 7
[05:37] <eddie> tchmnky: grep for <a href="http
[05:37] <Jormundgand> Why do I always typo "forums" as "foruns"?
[05:37] <richard> Which IRC package is better? Konversation or X-chat?
[05:37] <FR500> Guerin, so u say 25 secs?
[05:37] <Scorp> the cable modem is hooked up to the windows pc too? or is it like this WINPC----ROUTER----CABLE MODEM----INTERNET ?
[05:37] <FR500> i dont think so
[05:37] <eddie> Isnt there a gnome irc client?
[05:38] <eddie> I use IRSSI, I find it very "clean"
[05:38] <tchmnky> eddie, yeah. Tried that. No good. It gives the rest of the <A> tag too. I need a regexp, I think
[05:38] <blackgibson> richard: both are fine, X-Chat will integrate better into Gnome however
[05:38] <Guerin> FR500: give or take.
[05:38] <FR500> Tommy, can u use ur internet with the windows pc off?
[05:38] <FR500> Guerin, take for now
[05:38] <Tommy>  yeah i can fr
[05:38] <nalioth> richard: irssi is the best :P
[05:38] <richard> Thankyou, I'm using KDE. . . .I like the graphics better!
[05:38] <FR500> Tommy, wirelessly?
[05:38] <Tommy> yes wirelessly
[05:38] <Scorp> Tommy then the windows PC is not a "host" or anything like that it's just another computer connected to a router
[05:39] <FR500> so the windows pc doesnt matter
[05:39] <eddie> I love gnome
[05:39] <eddie> although I was once a KDE man
[05:39] <Scorp> Tommy it should work
[05:39] <eddie> gnome has improved alot since then
[05:39] <Tommy> oh lol sorry for misswording it then ><
[05:39] <nalioth> eddie: i'm still a leg man
[05:39] <Tommy> ok thank you very much for the help
[05:39] <Tommy> im sure ill be back once i install =p
[05:39] <Scorp> lol don't worry you'll still be back
[05:39] <eddie> nalioth: personally im an ass man
[05:39] <Scorp> Tommy what kind of wifi card do you have?
[05:40] <Scorp> (in the computer that's getting linuxified)
[05:40] <richard> Whats the general feeling about Kubuntu and Ubuntu? I've got Suse, Mepis and now Kubuntu.
[05:40] <nalioth> eddie: ass-what?
[05:40] <nalioth> lol
[05:40] <Guerin> FR500: there are a bunch of things which can slow it down - encryption, disk access speed, bad connection, busy lan, poor network card...
[05:40] <eddie> nalioth: lol touche
[05:40] <nalioth> richard: feelin bout waht? kde gnome enlightenment, xfce4, its whatever you want
[05:40] <Tommy> i use a netgear usb adaptor scorp (sorr if i sound like a noob, networking isnt really my thing =/
[05:41] <Scorp> it's ok we're all noobs, make sure that it's supported by Linux
[05:41] <syntaxerror64> richard, i just installed ubuntu and like it quite well so far.
[05:41] <nickrud> richard the gut feeling I have is debian
[05:41] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: have ya got kubuntu yet?
[05:41] <eddie> Tommy: networking is a pain in the ass, everyone hates it
[05:41] <Scorp> eddie not true
[05:41] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, no, i don't like kde
[05:41] <Scorp> I'm a masachist :)
[05:41] <Scorp> ;)
[05:41] <nemik> me neither. i like gnome more
[05:41] <richard> I couldn't get Debian ever to work have have tried Gentoo and FreeBSD. . . a bit difficult for me.
[05:41] <Tommy> scorp maybe you can come over and set mine up then =p
[05:42] <FR500> Tommy, pm me
[05:42] <hondje> I love debian
[05:42] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: just wonderin, cuz theres a few tools that are better than whats available for gnome
[05:42] <FR500> eddie, i live it
[05:42] <FR500> *love
[05:42] <hondje> But it's not as nice as ubuntu on the desktop by a longshot
[05:42] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, like?
[05:42] <FR500> networking rocks
[05:42] <Scorp> Tommy lol that's ok, I'd rather not hurt myself
[05:42] <neighborlee> how do I modify the  system gnome uses for mounting devices to do the same magic when you want to eject say a cdrom by using eject button on the drive ?
[05:42] <nemik> richard, i still have nightmares from my gentoo installation attempt
[05:42] <Scorp> gentoo is cool
[05:42] <Kezman1974> I did an update and now when I try and start a program that needs root privs, it comes up with the password screen then once entered I get this error: nable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[05:42] <FR500> nemik, building the directory tree is big fun :p
[05:42] <Scorp> if you have the time
[05:42] <Scorp> I odn't have the time
[05:42] <Scorp> here I am
[05:42] <Kezman1974> Anyone know what I can do to fix it?
[05:43] <hondje> gentoo-hardened is so nice
[05:43] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: k3b for cd/dvd authoring
[05:43] <neighborlee> hondje,wth is gentoo-hardened ?
[05:43] <nemik> FR500, don't even remind me. i just recently built up the courage to give linux another try after gentoo raped me. ubuntu was MUCH gentler
[05:43] <hondje> neighborlee: secure distro, amazing stuff
[05:43] <neighborlee> Kezman1974, what kind of update did you do btw
[05:43] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i use my big windows machine for that...  :p
[05:43] <FR500> yes i know what you mean
[05:43] <neighborlee> hondje, ah ok
[05:44] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: and i personally prefer konqueror for working with files (perhaps i don't know how to mangle nautilus to my wishes)
[05:44] <hondje> neighborlee: can't use it for desktop, really, too much work, but awesome for other stuff
[05:44] <neighborlee> hondje, if gentoo had gui installer I'd prob. be there long ago , but I hear one is coming
[05:44] <FR500> nemik, but it was hilarius, i couldnt believe you had to do even that
[05:44] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i have 0 winduhs doorstops here
[05:44] <neighborlee> hondje, yeah
[05:44] <Kezman1974> neighborlee: just an apt-get upgrade
[05:44] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, so far i installed ubuntu to move my browsing and email to as i learn it more i may start moving more over.
[05:44] <neighborlee> Kezman1974, ah ok
[05:44] <_kevin> i remember the nick hondje in alot of irc channels
[05:44] <_kevin> leeching
[05:45] <nemik> FR500, i know. i felt like i was linus torvalds or something LD
[05:45] <nemik> :D
[05:45] <disasm> nalioth: konqueror over mc???
[05:45] <hondje> leeching?
[05:45] <nalioth> yup, ya come in the front door, and the back door is just slammin shut -- -- -- that's hondje
[05:45] <FR500> lol
[05:45] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i tried suse linux before ubuntu and i didn't care much for kde, i dunno what it was just too much overhead or something.
[05:45] <nayif> hi
[05:45] <nalioth> disasm: do you knwo how to make nautilus double-paned?
[05:45] <neighborlee> Kezman1974, permissions must  have changed on /root/.Xauthority < check that  ( i'm guessing since i've never had that issue )
[05:45] <hondje> I have my own chan, that makes me hip :)
[05:45] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: yes kde does suck the life out of older systems
[05:45] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, not to mention on this computer i think it might be too much for the hardware.
[05:45] <disasm> nalioth: lemme boot out of flux, and check
[05:45] <Xenguy> retch
[05:46] <nemik> i tried knoppix live CDs and then put ubuntu permanently one on of my boxes. LOVE it
[05:46] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: but running one program (and not the whole thing) is ok
[05:46] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, isn't it possible to run multiple desktop enviornments in linux?
[05:46] <Kezman1974> neighborlee: Thank you I will give that a try
[05:46] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: hardly
[05:46] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: 800mhz 384? it'd work ok
[05:46] <Jormundgand> How does one pronounce "Ubuntu"? I feel like a prat saying that I use "Uh-bun-too" Linux, and "oo-bun-too" feels wrong.
[05:46] <neighborlee> nemik, kde or gnome..I had trouible when I went from warty to hoary..random gnome crashes that I never have ironed out
[05:46] <Sero> What Kernel does Ubuntu automatically use?
[05:46] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, yes that's what i have...
[05:46] <neighborlee> Jormundgand, OO-buntoo
[05:46] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: not usually at the same time
[05:46] <hondje> oo-boon-too I thought
[05:46] <neighborlee> Jormundgand, at least that is how I pronounce it <G>
[05:47] <_kevin> whats better about ubuntu then debian, i never used debian, ubuntu is like the only linux distor i relaly used
[05:47] <neighborlee> hondje, i'm  halfway kidding but thats essentially it ;-0heh
[05:47] <nemik> neighborless, i like ubuntu GNOMRE more. but yea i'm having some stability trouble
[05:47] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i have several desktops to chooose from
[05:47] <_kevin> i read ubuntu is based on debian
[05:47] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, eventually once i learn linux well enough and am comfortable with it i might move it over to my big machine that windows xp currently calls home.
[05:47] <hondje> _kevin: basically it's debian with newer desktop pkgs
[05:47] <disasm> _kevin: mainly xorg ;-)
[05:47] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i don't mean at the same time, but like choose which one you want to use at start.
[05:47] <_kevin> ohh ic
[05:47] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: you can safely dual boot any time you like
[05:47] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, that's why i setup this machine so i can have a dedicated linux pc.
[05:48] <nayif> i'm plane to delete all partition on my harddisk than use the instrcation as on "Howto: Backup and restore your system!" what i need after i create partition for "xp" than the reset for ubuntu ,to restore the xp  and ubuntu backup in removable-drive when i'm work on live cd ? the guide says do this  #tar xvpfz backup.tgz -C /
[05:48] <_kevin> is the next version goign to be more user friendly and may me auto install tar.gz without going throught the command line
[05:48] <eyequeue> _kevin:  and a definite (short) release cycle
[05:48] <bignose_> so i'm getting error 'cannot open resource for writing" with media player, i'm trying the different suggestions etc, but nothing seems to be helping.
[05:48] <nalioth> _kevin: woohoo! that'd be real nice
[05:48] <bignose_> ie: i've installed gstreamer, tried both oss and alsa in control center. XMMS works but not media player or totem.
[05:48] <Xenguy> _kevin: fear the command-line =)
[05:48] <hondje> I like the release cycle paired with gnome, that's hot
[05:49] <Sero> Can anyone tell me how to configure alsa for Ubuntu or direct to somewhere that can?
[05:49] <_kevin> i don't dislike the commandline... it just takes longer then click and install
[05:49] <eyequeue> _kevin:  .tar.gz just means a gzipped tarball, not anything specific
[05:49] <Xenguy> _kevin: sure it does - always
[05:49] <nalioth> sero have you been to ubuntulinux.org/wiki?
[05:49] <nasde> hello how do make sreensaver in ubuntu w/ gnome not start every 3 seconds
[05:49] <FR500> _kevin, actually i think it's kinda faster
[05:49] <crimsun> Sero: what sound card?
[05:49] <_kevin> i guess
[05:49] <hondje> FR500: I'd say it depends on what you're doing :)
[05:50] <FR500> hondje, yes i know
[05:50] <Sero> crimsun, SB Live
[05:50] <nalioth> _kevin: the command line will be there after your X goes home
[05:50] <syntaxerror64> nasde...  go to system/preferences/screensaver
[05:50] <nasde> or rather how do i make xscreensaver startup time diff
[05:50] <crimsun> Sero: what model?
[05:50] <eyequeue> nasde:  system > preferences > screensaver
[05:50] <_kevin> ye
[05:50] <Sero> nalioth, no I'm not an Ubuntu guy
[05:50] <nasde> i did
[05:50] <nasde> but there it doest say "how long till screensaver start"
[05:50] <nalioth> Sero: i'd check there and also ubuntuguide.org
[05:50] <Sero> crimsun, SB Live 7.1 is all the computer maker said.
[05:50] <_kevin> command line can do most things... but can it let you play video games
[05:50] <_kevin> ?
[05:51] <syntaxerror64> nasde, where it says "blank after" set that to 10 or 15 mins
[05:51] <nasde> it only says blank after, cycle after, lock screen after
[05:51] <hondje> _kevin: nethack
[05:51] <nalioth> _kevin: sure it can
[05:51] <hondje> atc is fun in console, too, when you're bored
[05:51] <crimsun> Sero: you need the snd_ca0106 driver
[05:51] <nalioth> hondje: atc?
[05:51] <_kevin> i need some fun games for linux, the ones that came with ubuntu are eaither too hard or nerdy
[05:51] <FR500> hondje, and i start counter-strike from command line
[05:52] <disasm> i'm in gnome now, looking for settings...
[05:52] <hondje> nalioth: text air traffic control game...in debian it's in the bsdgames pkg
[05:52] <crimsun> Sero: search the ubuntu forums for instructions from me on compiling alsa-source from universe to enable your sblive 7.1
[05:52] <FR500> _kevin, get cedega, you can play windows games there
[05:52] <hondje> Some of them
[05:52] <_kevin> but you have to pay for cedega
[05:52] <syntaxerror64> kevin...   maybe this thread has something you'd like?  http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=238434
[05:53] <_kevin> only reason I'm on ubuntu and linux is because it's free and legal
[05:53] <eyequeue> nasde:  gedit ~/.xscreensaver
[05:53] <_kevin> i've been doing illegal stuff with windows for the past 4 years
[05:53] <FR500> _kevin, not really, you can get it from cvs and compile
[05:53] <syntaxerror64> free is always good.
[05:54] <_kevin> ohh ye
[05:54] <eyequeue> nasde:  change timeout: to how ever many minutes you prefer
[05:54] <hondje> Free is better than free
[05:54] <_kevin> can cedega run other windows programs?
[05:54] <hondje> _kevin: for non-games, you'd probably be better off using wine
[05:54] <_kevin> ahh
[05:54] <nalioth> hondje: yer shittin me
[05:54] <nalioth> hondje: air traffic control, eh
[05:54] <hondje> nalioth: That game is addictive
[05:55] <FR500> _kevin, some, for office software cxofice is better
[05:55] <eyequeue> atc (6)              - air traffic controller game
[05:55] <atool> \quit
[05:55] <hondje> Great when you're at a box without X and need to waste an hour
[05:55] <disasm> nalioth: doesn't look like dual column exists
[05:56] <nemik> any of you tried to get something like this going: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3666&item=5204917093&rd=1 did it just add new ttys1, ttys2, etc?
[05:57] <nalioth> disasm: so i use konqueror
[05:57] <eyequeue> nemik:  i didn't go to that url, but you probably mean ttyS1 ttyS2
[05:57] <nemik> yea sorry. serial ports
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: not for years
[05:57] <nalioth> disasm: havta have my hover mini preview (love watchin my cpu meter not even move)
[05:57] <kdawg> When I browse smb shares on the network I can't double click on an .xls and have it open up. Is that because OO won't open up a file from that kind of path? Or do I have something misconfigured?
[05:57] <Xyc0> What is the IRC server for CAL?
[05:57] <disasm> nalioth: i didn't say use nautilus, i said use mc (or xffm, it's pretty slick)
[05:57] <nemik> hrdwrbob: really??! no luck?
[05:58] <Xyc0> Anyone know off hand?
[05:58] <Amaranth> OO doesn't have gnome-vfs support, does it?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: no *I* havene't done it for years :)
[05:58] <nemik> ohhh ok
[05:58] <disasm> i came into gnome for nothin'... maybe I'll use windowmaker, haven't used that in a bit...
[05:58] <nalioth> disasm: at the risk of askin a n00b question, how do you start xffm?
[05:58] <nemik> i hope it will work...
[05:58] <_kevin> there is a cool game Racer... ANyone play it, can tell me if it looks as good as int eh screenshots?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: what do you want to do
[05:58] <hondje> nalioth: It's xfce's old file manager
[05:59] <nemik> hrdwrbob: hook up a bunch of GSM phones to use as GSM modems via serial and smstools
[05:59] <nalioth> hondje: yes i know, but i use "xffm" and nothing happens
[05:59] <hondje> nalioth: oh...that works fine here :-/
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: hm ok
[05:59] <kdawg> Amaranth, openoffice.org-gnomevfs.....maybe that answers my question :-)
[05:59] <nemik> i got one working perfectly already but want more on the same box
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: you could always get a bunch of usb-> serial adapters
[06:00] <Xyc0> What is the IRC server for CAL?
[06:00] <nalioth> Xyc0: what is CAL?
[06:00] <Xyc0> Cyber Athletic Legue
[06:00] <wulfepup> Greetings all! I have a n00b ... but question only 'cause I *am* a noob....
[06:00] <nalioth> Xyc0: better to ask uncle google
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> tp://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Cyber+Athletic+League+IRC
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Cyber+Athletic+League+IRC
[06:01] <Xyc0> nalioth: I always google b4 i come here
[06:01] <FR500> i don't want my card to be named wlan0
[06:01] <FR500> anyway to change that on boot?
[06:01] <nemik> hrdwrbob: kinda scared to try that...not sure if they will get added as ttys1, ttys2, etc
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: but you can buy one
[06:02] <wulfepup> I had heard from the forums (by way of Uncle Goog) that Ubuntu supported the Blitzz 802.11g Super G wireless PCMCIA card ....
[06:02] <nemik> hrdwrbob: yea i guess i can give it a shot :) thanks!
[06:02] <Jormundgand> I'm worried. Debian Sarge has been released. Next thing we know, Duke Nukem will be released, the Messiah will return and we'll be visited by extraterrestrials.
[06:02] <syntaxerror64> duke nukem will NEVER be released
[06:02] <FR500> wulfepup, it's matter of trial and error
[06:02] <disasm> nalioth: apt-get install xffm4
[06:03] <hondje> Sarge is released, apple goes x86....
[06:03] <nalioth> Jormundgand: don't forget the "Phantom" console gaming system
[06:03] <wulfepup> and.. being a n00b.. I figured I try things out before committing, right? So I'm using the Live CD...
[06:03] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: apple is switching to x86 and sarge released
[06:03] <disasm> nalioth: sorry took so long to respond, was killing gnome
[06:03] <FR500> what is sarge?
[06:03] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: It's cold in hell.
[06:03] <wulfepup> *sigh* that's what I was afraid of.
[06:03] <hondje> FR500: The latest debian stable release
[06:03] <nalioth> disasm: is that some sort of euphamism for something nasty?
[06:03] <bleck> quick question, does the standard installation of ubuntu comes with the kernel source?
[06:03] <crimsun> bleck: no
[06:03] <FR500> hondje, how long did it take?
[06:03] <disasm> nalioth: oh, are you a synaptic person?
[06:03] <crimsun> bleck: you can install linux-source-2.6.10, though
[06:03] <bleck> any way to install? trying to get cdemu working :/ ahhh, kewl thanks =)
[06:03] <FR500> wulfepup, it takes some suffering but it works most of the time
[06:03] <hondje> FR500: hrm, 2002 was woody, so 3 yrs
[06:03] <crimsun> bleck: more than likely, however, you want linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:04] <nalioth> disasm: i'm console to the core
[06:04] <FR500> wow
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> bleck: you will probabluy only want headers
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> .. like crimsun said
[06:04] <FR500> HrdwrBoB, i can't thank u enough for your help
[06:04] <hondje> FR500: Yeah, source of much complaining, that :)
[06:04] <FR500> thx a lot
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: I accept all gratuities :D
[06:05] <bleck> thanks a bunch guys
[06:05] <disasm> nalioth: console to core, and never used apt-get install?
[06:05] <wulfepup> I can't find any way to force it to try though...it doesn't see anything beyond my eth0  Ethernet NIC
[06:05] <FR500> gotta run history > wireless_setup so i can do it again
[06:05] <FR500> wulfepup, u on ubuntu now?
[06:05] <wulfepup> Yup.
[06:05] <disasm> my turn for a n00b question, whats the gnome sound server? somethings locking my soundcard since i did killall -9 gnome
[06:05] <FR500> what card did u say?
[06:06] <Amaranth> disasm: esd
[06:06] <wulfepup> Blitzz BWP-712  (802.11g (Super G))
[06:06] <nickrud> killall -9 gnome?
[06:07] <FR500> wulfepup, run lspci, it should list your card and a number
[06:07] <disasm> Amaranth: that did it, thx
[06:08] <disasm> nalioth: if you love console, give mc a shot
[06:08] <bignose_> how to turn on stuff like opengl for ubuntu ?
[06:08] <disasm> bignose_: depends on vid card
[06:08] <FR500> then run lspci -n, it should give you a lot of numbers, find the one you got first and tell me the second
[06:08] <bignose_> disasm: nvidia gforce 4 mx 440.
[06:08] <disasm> bignose_: it's in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:08] <bignose_> k.
[06:08] <disasm> bignose_: you have the nvidia binary?
[06:09] <bignose_> not yet.
[06:09] <FR500> bignose_, lucky for u with nvidia
[06:09] <FR500> apt-get install nvidia-glx i think
[06:09] <FR500> wulfepup, u there?
[06:09] <wulfepup> FR500, some unknowns.. no Blitzz
[06:09] <nalioth> disasm: where did you get the idea i dont use apt? havent you seen me in here instructing in its lesser known usages?
[06:09] <disasm> bignose_: you also need the kernel modules
[06:09] <bignose_> werd.
[06:10] <disasm> nalioth you asked if apt-get install mc was a euphamism for something nasty ;-)
[06:10] <FR500> wulfepup, run lspci only and paste it's content in pastebin
[06:10] <disasm> nalioth: i took that to mean you didn't know what apt was ;-)
[06:11] <Jormundgand> http://www.flexbeta.net/gsurface/IE7.jpg - OH LOOK, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK A HECK OF A LOT LIKE, BOYS AND GIRLS?
[06:11] <nalioth> disasm: 23:02 < disasm> nalioth: sorry took so long to respond, was killing gnome   <<<<this sounds nasty
[06:11] <disasm> bignose_:  i think you need linux-restricted-modules for your arch/kernel
[06:11] <Jormundgand> YES, IT LOOKS LIKE MICROSOFT TOOK DESIGN LESSONS FROM FIREFOX AND BUTCHERED THEM.
[06:11] <disasm> bignose_: apt-cache search nvidia-kernel
[06:11] <nickrud> Jormundgand a cage?
[06:11] <hondje> Jormundgand: Why wouldn't you imitate the best?
[06:12] <disasm> Jormundgand: i don't care what it looks like, if they stay true to their word in fixing css so I don't have to hack it anymore...
[06:12] <disasm> Jormundgand: i'm not getting my hopes up though
[06:13] <bignose_> installing.
[06:13] <anolis_> hello
[06:13] <hondje> hi
[06:14] <bignose_> just cahnge driver from nv to nvidia ?
[06:14] <disasm> nalioth: ah, i see ;-) no i was really doing killall -9 gnome (i hate gnome/kde with a passion, so I don't give it the common decency to be logged out properly, I just do ctrl alt backspace)
[06:14] <anolis_> anyone know anything about getting GameShark's SharkPort Software to run using Cedega, or Wine
[06:14] <nickrud> ah, killall -9 gnome :)
[06:14] <wulfepup> wb FR500
[06:14] <disasm> nalioth: actually i guess thats killing the xserver, not gnome
[06:14] <hondje> disasm: You'd probably be better served with pkill -9 gnome
[06:14] <wulfepup> FR500, http://pastebin.com/296285
[06:14] <anolis_> it seems as though it is not seeing the usb device
[06:14] <nalioth> disasm: :0 okay
[06:14] <nickrud> disasm just watch out for gconfd when you do that
[06:15] <disasm> pkill?
[06:15] <disasm> time to man...
[06:15] <nickrud> yeah, if you know it's there
[06:15] <hondje> disasm: that and pgrep save decent amts of effort
[06:15] <disasm> sweet ;-)
[06:15] <FR500> wulfepup, i think you need ndiswrapper, but you've gotta figure your chipset
[06:17] <disasm> yuck, ndiswrapper, thats what made me so particular about my searching for a new laptop...
[06:17] <Dysphoria> afternoon all
[06:17] <FR500> disasm, it worked for me in one night + some help
[06:17] <FR500> disasm, easier than in fc3
[06:17] <wulfepup> I tried ndiswrapper on my Knoppix Live CD (since it sees my WinXP HD) and used the drivers.. but it didn't work....  The biggest reason I grabbed Ubuntu is due to a reverse recommendation (someone in the forums said he has this card and it work oob.)
[06:17] <Dysphoria> i've just setup an ubuntu base isntall on one of my spare comps, though upon booting and trying to 'su' into root it seems i never got a chance to setup a root account
[06:17] <Dysphoria> how can i now setup a new root account and password??
[06:17] <hondje> Dysphoria: default behavior, supposed to use sudo
[06:17] <anolis_> can someone help me intall the kernel source package properly, so that VMware will install correctly and find the kernel header files?
[06:18] <wulfepup> *sigh*  Oh well
[06:18] <FR500> wulfepup, do you have the windows drivers?
[06:18] <hondje> Dysphoria: link in topic on changing it
[06:18] <disasm> FR500: i'm not worried about it working, i just don't like the idea of a) using an ndis from windows b) no promiscuous mode so I got an atheros chipset wireless g internal
[06:18] <nickrud> disasm I'm in the market, do you have a couple quick pointers to $1400 laptops that work out of the box?
[06:18] <nickrud> hope, hope
[06:18] <wulfepup> on my HD.. yeah.. but I haven't figured out hoe to get there either.. LOL
[06:18] <disasm> nickrud: linuxcertified.com rocks, i love my new lc2464
[06:18] <Dysphoria> thankyou
[06:18] <FR500> disasm, monitor mode is what u really need, promiscuous mode wont monitor that much
[06:19] <FR500> wulfepup, it says it has an atheros chipset
[06:19] <nickrud> ah, a new link, and thanks, disasm
[06:19] <nalioth> nickrud: iBooks
[06:19] <nalioth> nickrud: 14" iBook
[06:19] <wulfepup> that sounds familiar
[06:19] <FR500> does your card comp have a software switch for thre radio?
[06:19] <nickrud> nalioth gotta be intel. gotta run one program under windows
[06:19] <FR500> wulfepup, my other card is an atheros internal and works out of the vox
[06:19] <anolis_> hello? can someone please help me?
[06:19] <wulfepup> funky
[06:20] <Dysphoria> thankyou hondje :D:D:D:D
[06:20] <nickrud> nalioth although, that would be my personal pref, but if the co is paying ....
[06:20] <FR500> wulfepup, how do you turn on your cadf
[06:20] <wulfepup> plug it in
[06:20] <disasm> nickrud: you can get it with FC3, SuSE, or debian pre-installed FC3 is free, the others cost a lil' extra, I went with FC3, used it for an hour, wiped it put debian on, had problems with xfree, so I grabbed ubuntu to get xorg
[06:20] <nalioth> the world is indeed coming to an end. check this screen from wwdc http://www.macobserver.com/gallery/wwdc2005/IMG_0648
[06:21] <FR500> wulfepup, is your laptop listed here? http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/?page=laptop_matrix
[06:21] <nickrud> disasm looking
[06:21] <anolis_> well can someone at least tell where i CAN go to get some help?
[06:22] <Jormundgand> I saw a thread on the forums "Who switched to Linux entirely (no dualboot)?" and was slightly baffled. "That's unusual enough to warrant a thread?" I thought.
[06:22] <FR500> wulfepup, did u ever try to run iwconfig?
[06:22] <disasm> yeah, i think mac just made the biggest mistake they could have, with the cell processor on the verge of going mainstream, and amd64 in the other arena, they are between a rock and a hard place going with x86... they should have done that 3 years, ago, but not now...
[06:22] <nickrud> although, I am also interested in the 'ubuntu certified' hp laptops. As long as I'm not paying
[06:22] <Jormundgand> I've never been one for multibooting. I hate rebooting my system, and switching to Windows to play XYZ game doesn't seem like a nice way to run things.
[06:22] <deadcat> how do i copy/burn a vcd cd? i tried dd and cdrdao they both suck
[06:22] <nalioth> disasm: macintosh on a Cell....yummm
[06:22] <sproingie> the cell processor is not going mainstream as in "we need 5 million units next week" mainstream
[06:22] <dr_willis> apple is good at doing things they should of done years befor.. then doing a 180 nd changeing their mind..
[06:22] <disasm> especially considering the ppc arch is better than x86
[06:23] <sproingie> thats why apple is switching.  ibm isn't delivering in speed or volume
[06:23] <nalioth> well i gotta go
[06:23] <Amaranth> dr_willis: like steve saying something is a useless feature for iTunes then adding it in the next version?
[06:23] <nalioth> y'all be good
[06:23] <disasm> sproingie: speed? ibm has the fastest processor on the market right now...
[06:23] <wulfepup> FR500, not in list ...  no idea what iwconfig is I'll man it...
[06:23] <Amaranth> disasm: hah
[06:23] <dr_willis> Apple complaining about  not delivering products. is amuseing..
[06:23] <nickrud> Jormundgand I have to run 'Thomas Guide to California' and qemu, and wine don't work, and I can't see paying for vmware for something I run once or twice a month
[06:23] <Amaranth> disasm: don't let apple's old PR fool you
[06:23] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  i was thinkin of the mac clone disaster from years back :P
[06:24] <anolis_> hi Amaranth i was reading up on your neato menu thingy, hows that going?
[06:24] <FR500> wulfepup, run iwconfig, if it lists something you are set
[06:24] <nbvk> u guys talking about apple using intel cpus?
[06:24] <Jormundgand> I'll be sticking to the 32-bit AMD processors until they become sidelined by the 64-bit ones. I have no need for that particular latest widget. This Athlon is sufficient for now.
[06:24] <Amaranth> anolis_: I've got a couple patches I need to integrate to make an 0.7.5 and 0.8 is in progress.
[06:24] <sproingie> disasm: whatever.  architecture prettiness isn't everything, superiority is also what you can deliver
[06:24] <anolis_> cool cool
[06:24] <FR500> dualcore amd is probably my next pc, sith sli :P
[06:24] <anolis_> will the "new menu" option be included?
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: 0.8 is going to have as many translations as I can get from people, a slightly tweaked UI, and maybe copy/paste
[06:25] <dr_willis> I see no point to not go with the AMD64's now. :P  unless of course your budget is very limited.
[06:25] <wulfepup> lo, eth0 and sit0 all "no wireless connections"
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: new menu option? that's been in since 0.5 or 0.6
[06:25] <anolis_> theres .5 .6 ???
[06:25] <anolis_> what the...
[06:25] <FR500> dr_willis, are you being ironic or you mean it?
[06:25] <disasm> sproingie: true, but I see ibm (having just dropped all x86 computers) taking the cell processor, coming out with a new line of thinkpad laptops, partnering with novell, and mass selling them with SuSE to the public within the next few years.
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: yeah man, i'm almost at 0.8
[06:25] <anolis_> i must be missing something.. lol
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: it's called smeg now
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: it's in hoary backports
[06:26] <anolis_> link plz?
[06:26] <disasm> sproingie: ntm the server market, and ps3's
[06:26] <Amaranth> anolis_: but i'd prefer it if you'd use http://dev.realistanew.com/dev/installsmeg
[06:26] <dr_willis> FR500,  been chatting with peopl;e about it - none of us could think of anyreason to not use the 64bit now.
[06:26] <Amaranth> anolis_: download and run that script
[06:26] <syntaxerror64> disasm, i tried irssi earlier
[06:26] <FR500> yes they rock
[06:26] <sproingie> disasm: i on the other hand do not see cell laptops happening.  dreams are one thing, when you need capacity, you need something that can deliver now
[06:26] <disasm> sproingie: i tell ya once the ps3 comes out, I'm going to get one right away, and figure out how to hack linux onto it
[06:26] <FR500> wulfepup, so, ran iwconfig?
[06:26] <anolis_> yea lol im using like... version .42
[06:26] <anolis_> or something
[06:27] <Amaranth> anolis_: ouch
[06:27] <wulfepup> FR500,  yup...  lo, eth0 and sit0 all "no wireless connections"
[06:27] <FR500> hmmm
[06:27] <anolis_> thanks for that Amaranth
[06:27] <disasm> 64 bit computer, with 4 power cores under $500...
[06:27] <sproingie> disasm: i think you'll find that sony's claims that the cell processor will solve the halting problem in negative time are somewhat overblown
[06:27] <IIIEars> !ipod
[06:27] <ubotu> it has been said that ipod is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[06:27] <FR500> wulfepup, wow your pc is a beast
[06:27] <dr_willis> disasm,  wowsers. :P
[06:28] <disasm> sproingie: only time will tell...
[06:28] <wulfepup> I don't use my modem .. but doesn't find it either .. for comparison...
[06:28] <nickrud> IIIEars you are in love :)
[06:28] <random_> i'm dual-booting XP and Ubuntu at the moment. my sound works fine on windows but ubuntu doesn't detect my soundcard. suggestions?
[06:28] <Amaranth> disasm: the ps3 has one core
[06:28] <IIIEars> a slender irc bot is sexy ;)
[06:28] <FR500> should there be a problem with some wireless cards and nForce chipsets?
[06:28] <FR500> wulfepup, what about 3d acceleration?
[06:28] <dr_willis> random_,  you sure its not detecting it.. or is it just 'muted'  - what is the sound card?
[06:28] <nickrud> IIIEars especially when you feed it ;)
[06:28] <disasm> i almost went with a powerbook for my laptop, the thing that stopped me was the stupid broadcom chipset on apple wireless...
[06:29] <Amaranth> disasm: read up on the cell, it's one powerpc based core with a bunch of altivec units bolted on, but with some extra little niceties
[06:29] <sproingie> the xbox2 is stuffed full of hype, the ps3 full of bullshit, and the revolution full of sycophancy
[06:29] <disasm> Amaranth: really? didn't know that...
[06:29] <FR500> disasm, i guess they are working on linux drivers
[06:29] <wulfepup> FR500, I've only tried some of the GL screen savers.. but they seem a lot more sluggish than they should.
[06:29] <IIIEars> FR500 what type of card do you have?
[06:29] <FR500> IIIEars, it's for wulfepup
[06:30] <FR500> IIIEars, it has an atheros chipset like me, should work out of the box
[06:30] <IIIEars> Yes
[06:30] <disasm> Amaranth: i thought when i was reading up on it 6 months ago it said a cell processor contain 4 power cores, i guess im wrong...
[06:30] <FR500> wulfepup, you need nvidia-glx package
[06:30] <Dysphoria> brb
[06:30] <nickrud> wulfepup glxinfo | grep direct will tell you if you have direct rendering enabled, that may be a reason they seem sluggish
[06:30] <Amaranth> FR500: linux drivers for the broadcom are non-existant and probably always will be, they has no specs
[06:30] <IIIEars> !nvidia
[06:30] <ubotu> well, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:30] <anolis_> k i just dled .74
[06:30] <Amaranth> disasm: the xbox 360 will have 3 powerpc cores
[06:31] <Amaranth> anolis_: using that script?
[06:31] <nbvk> 3 or 2?
[06:31] <Amaranth> nbvk: 3
[06:31] <anolis_> i dont know how or what i do to use it
[06:31] <FR500> Amaranth, linksys is supporintg linux and uses broadcom chipset, i think they'll work eventually
[06:31] <Amaranth> anolis_: You save that page to your computer and run it from a terminal.
[06:31] <anolis_> the whole thing?
[06:31] <sproingie> as it is, most games hold my attention for a couple weeks and gone
[06:31] <anolis_> does it download the latest release as well
[06:31] <Amaranth> anolis_: I don't support users of smeg who don't have those gnome-menus packages installed, the ones that come with hoary are too buggy.
[06:31] <foxiness> hi , what i need to restore my tar backup file from live cd to new partition i create ?
[06:31] <disasm> FR500: broadcom has linux drivers (linksys wrt54g, and ndiswrapper for x86, but no option on ppc)
[06:32] <Amaranth> anolis_: installsmeg does, yes
[06:32] <FR500> oh
[06:32] <FR500> disasm, so the wrtg drivers can be used on x86s?
[06:32] <disasm> syntaxerror64: sorry, got side tracked, did you like it?
[06:32] <Amaranth> disasm: soon we'll have ndiswrapper for apple x86 machines and i can buy a powerbook :)
[06:32] <FR500> new consoles are starting to suck, gotta get my nes and play some contra
[06:32] <disasm> FR500: no, you need ndiswrapper and win drivers on x86
[06:33] <disasm> FR500: they are mips
[06:33] <FR500> disasm, thats what i meant
[06:33] <anolis_> im really new to this ...meh really new... i said that like a year ago, i still feel like a complete noob
[06:33] <syntaxerror64> disasm, no prob.  i'm not quite sure what i thought of it...
[06:33] <syntaxerror64> disasm, i was lost more or less.
[06:33] <FR500> Amaranth, disasm doesnt want ndiswrapper
[06:33] <FR500> Amaranth, he wants promiscuous mode
[06:34] <disasm> anolis_: the problem with computers is the more you learn, the more like a n00b you feel, because you realize how much out there you don't know yet...
[06:34] <FR500> altough monitor mode is what he really should be looking for as i found oyt
[06:34] <nickrud>  anolis_ I've been running linux systems as my main machine for over five years, and, since I'm not a coder, I'm still a noob
[06:34] <rute> how do you assign an icon to a file-type(extension) under gnome?
[06:34] <FR500> disasm, you right, i've been researching a lot lately and i'm getting dizzy
[06:34] <disasm> Amaranth: lol ;-) i like the atheros chipset, it seems to be one of the better wireless ones i've used...
[06:35] <IIIEars> rute - good question
[06:35] <rute> IIIEars,  :)
[06:35] <anolis_> i know what you mean, hopefully when i get out of highschool i can goto college and learn a highlevel programming language and take it from there
[06:35] <foxiness> disasm, :) the windows user will not feel like that , its tradmark to linux world
[06:35] <FR500> disasm, well, my wpc54gs kicks my atheros performance wise
[06:35] <FR500> both on same pc
[06:35] <FR500> wulfepup, if you had got a centrino u would not have all those issues
[06:35] <FR500> wulfepup, but your pc seems a beats
[06:35] <FR500> beast
[06:36] <anolis_> k, amaranth it just gave me syntax errors when i pasted, do i need to paste it into a file and run it using python <filename> ?
[06:36] <ubuntu_n00b> it's a pita ...
[06:36] <ubuntu_n00b> pain in the a....
[06:36] <disasm> foxiness: i disagree, granted windows isn't as fun, but there are a lot of things with windows you realize you don't know, especially getting into servers, and manually changing things in regedit and whatnot, for a basic desktop user, any os will work, it's power users, that are picky...
[06:36] <rute> I know it can be done because some apps use custom icons for the files they handle but I can't seem to find a way to set icons based on ext.
[06:36] <FR500> for war driving the atheros card rocks
[06:36] <anolis_> brb
[06:37] <disasm> FR500: yeah, i have gpsdrive/kismet setup i'm playing with, needs a lil' more tweaking though...
[06:37] <IIIEars> rute - a bit ambiguos for a new user like myself but maybe you can make some use of it. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MimeManagement
[06:37] <rute> IIIEars, thanks
[06:37] <FR500> disasm, a gtk frontend would be sooo sweet
[06:38] <disasm> FR500: for kismet?
[06:38] <FR500> for kismet_client
[06:38] <disasm> FR500: ah, i haven't gotten very far with it yet, i got gpsdrive functioning with my gps so far, still have to play with kismet some
[06:39] <FR500> how hard was it to setup the gps, i' gotta wait for the weekend to try on mine
[06:39] <disasm> FR500: i was under the impression it was a server daemon that interacted with gpsdrive though
[06:39] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500,  are you saying beast as in hard to tame.. or beast as in "da bomb"  (yeah, right, LOL)
[06:39] <FR500> beast it da bomb, seems very powerful, mine has got a trident vid card
[06:40] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, hell my deskop is not as powerful as ur laptop
[06:40] <disasm> FR500: pretty easy with a serial interface, i just plugged in the serial cable to a usb->serial->usb port, tail -f /var/log/syslog while doing it, write down virtual device, put it in the config
[06:40] <ubuntu_n00b> Less than $1000
[06:40] <ubuntu_n00b> with a free all-in-one and 4mp camera....
[06:41] <rute> IIIEars, thanks for the link :) It's over my head too but at least now I know it isn't something to look into rite now lol
[06:41] <rute> can't believe it's that complex to associate icons to file extentions
[06:42] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, i'm on a 3rd world country
[06:42] <FR500> disasm, cool, hope it works
[06:42] <ubuntu_n00b> of course I shorted myself on a few items .. but all in all it replaces my desktop for most work.
[06:42] <rute> gnight all
[06:42] <IIIEars> lol - that link sent me back to playing xscrabble almost instantly. - tough making any sense of it. the warning about file encoding and not using the mimetype file extension was scarey.
[06:43] <disasm> ubuntu_n00b: what kind of laptop?
[06:43] <ubuntu_n00b> disasm, HP pavillion..
[06:43] <ubuntu_n00b> BRB gotta change the baby.
[06:43] <FR500> u a girl?
[06:43] <daba> Dont kick the baby...
[06:43] <FR500> ubuntu girl?
[06:43] <FR500> or a responsible dad
[06:45] <Sero> crimsun, the only thing I can find in the forums are just threads that say, "thanks to crimsun in irc I was able to figure it out"
[06:45] <daba> Hey, I rebooted one day, and the computer got stuck when counting the memory. I disabled the Linux hard drive, and can boot into windows easily. Then, I enabled the Linux hard drive again in BIOS, and I got something about a kernel panic. It usually hangs about the memory count at startup, though. Any comments?
[06:45] <nickrud> Sero lol, that is the truth :)
[06:45] <IIIEars> Amaranth - please give me a hint or pointer link on, changing file associations
[06:45] <disasm> ubuntu_n00b: watch the plastic near the hinges, i have a lot of hp laptops i repair, that have cracks write at the hinge
[06:45] <disasm> ubuntu_n00b: what processor?
[06:46] <kalias> nickrud:  How do you uninstall an application in ubuntu?
[06:46] <FR500> daba, some fsck error?
[06:46] <disasm> kalias: apt-get remove or synaptic, your pick
[06:46] <difeta> where can i learn how to setup apache2 to work with mono?
[06:46] <FR500> brb
[06:46] <sproingie> .oO ( why does nobody use aptitude here? )
[06:46] <daba> I do not know, FR500, you tell me, or tell me how to fin out.
[06:46] <nickrud> kalias assuming it was intstalled with apt-get, apt-get remove <package>
[06:46] <FR500> it says fsck error
[06:46] <anolis_> k back
[06:47] <FR500> daba noone can help unless you ca tell the actual ouput
[06:47] <nickrud> but aptitude is better
[06:47] <IcemanV9> disasm: the plastic easily breaks?? dang. gotta be careful with it.
[06:47] <disasm> difeta: http://www.apacheworld.org/modmono/
[06:47] <FR500> my toshibais a real road warrior
[06:47] <kalias> actually I used the handbook method of installing limewire.  Not quite the same as the other methods.
[06:47] <disasm> difeta: gotta love google ;-)
[06:47] <cory_> what's up guys
[06:47] <daba> FR500: t remember seing that anywhere. It usually gets stuck at counting the memory, though. Do you think I should try getting the kernel panic again, and writing down the exact error?
[06:47] <cory_> quick question -- what p2p program do ya'll use in linux?
[06:47] <nickrud> kalias point me at the link you used to install limewire
[06:47] <daba> Dont should be in the start.
[06:47] <disasm> kalias: limewire? why not gift? it does gnutella, openft and fasttrack
[06:47] <Scorp> guys when the installation starts it blinks without control and I can't read what's on the screen (laptop LCD screen) please help me
[06:48] <IIIEars> ubotu mono is http://www.apacheworld.org/modmono/
[06:48] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[06:48] <FR500> daba, yes
[06:48] <sproingie> cory_: i'm partial to mldonkey
[06:48] <anolis_> so is that what i do amaranth?
[06:48] <cory_> mldonkey
[06:48] <cory_> is that better then limeware?
[06:48] <kalias> disasm: well...sad to say I am a newbie and did not know any better :(
[06:48] <daba> FR500: I will try, good idea, thanks.
[06:48] <cory_> limewire*
[06:48] <sproingie> cory_: much harder to get working.  does more networks.
[06:48] <Scorp> guys please ? the screen just blinks like crazy
[06:48] <cory_> ok cool
[06:48] <nickrud> limwire sucks, mldonkey rules :)
[06:48] <disasm> sproingie: i'd like a plugin for gift for mldonkey, now that would rock...
[06:49] <cory_> thx
[06:49] <kalias> nickrud: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/   I used the limewire install mentioned in this doc.
[06:49] <sproingie> except bt, which i dont consider p2p, more of a download accellerator
[06:49] <disasm> sproingie: yeah ;-)
[06:49] <difeta> disasm, the problem is though, when i try to install libapache-mod-mono, apt-get trys to install apache 1.3 Which the howto you just showed my says will NOT work.
[06:49] <ubuntu_n00b> disasm, amd 64
[06:49] <kalias> diasm: what is gift?
[06:50] <IIIEars> Scorp - i am new but it might be enabling or disabling framebuffer that will fix it.
[06:50] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500, ok.. back....  nope .. I'm a dad.. we have four kids..the wife dumped the baby in my lap and says "change her."
[06:50] <FR500> lol
[06:50] <hondje> ubuntu_n00b: odd, I just got back from that same scam
[06:50] <Scorp> IIIEars: how do I do that?
[06:50] <ubuntu_n00b> LOL
[06:50] <sproingie> ubuntu_n00b: four kids ... amazed you have time to irc
[06:50] <hondje> Now I get the distinct pleasure of herding my 2.5 year old to bed :(
[06:50] <Joe_Powerbook> um, is the Ubuntu torrent tracker down?
[06:50] <ubuntu_n00b> they're all in bed and I don't work.... yet
[06:50] <Scorp> IIIEars: I can't see what's going on the screen past the stage where it asks me what kind of installation to boot?
[06:50] <IIIEars> Scorp - textra options available in the F# keys
[06:50] <FR500> sproingie, right, i have 2 parakeets and no time for anything
[06:50] <FR500> lol
[06:51] <nickrud> god I hate that link
[06:51] <deFrysk> Joe_Powerbook, /topic
[06:51] <disasm> difeta: i'd love to help you, but no mono in amd64 so I can't try to simulate it...
[06:51] <kalias> nickrud: sorry, didn't know any better :(
[06:51] <difeta> disasm, np
[06:51] <Joe_Powerbook> deFrysk: thx
[06:51] <disasm> kalias: gift.sf.net many frontends, probly most known is kceasy on windows
[06:51] <IIIEars> give me a second and i'll put a disk in and find out what F# key it is
[06:51] <nickrud> kalias np, there is some good stuff in ubuntu guide, it's just too ambitious
[06:52] <FR500> Joe_Powerbook, why dont downloading normally?
[06:52] <anolis_> where did you go amaranth
[06:52] <kalias> nickrud: from what I have seen you guys have a great distro here, I really like it.  I think my gentoo is going to become a thing of the past.
[06:52] <Scorp> IIIEars: thanks a lot man! It owrked well
[06:52] <Joe_Powerbook> FR500: I don't see the PowerPC DVD iso available for normal download
[06:52] <sproingie> yay another convert
[06:52] <alexander__> sup all
[06:52] <FR500> oh
[06:52] <FR500> ok
[06:52] <Jormundgand> ubuntu_n00b: Please excuse my waves of relief that I am not you and have extremely low chances of inheriting any similar traits to you.
[06:53] <nickrud> kalias ok, sudo rm /usr/share/applications/LimeWire.desktop
[06:53] <FR500> so do you think going for AMD64 would cause me ubuntu problems?
[06:53] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500, and disasm soo what you guys are saying is my wireless should be recognized out of the box.... but for some reason it just doesn't..
[06:53] <alexander__> can anyone please tell me how to get dovecot-imap working on ubuntu?
[06:53] <nickrud> kalias I just use this good work, i don't make it, although I would wish
[06:53] <Joe_Powerbook> so does anyone have an expected uptime on the tracker?
[06:53] <MattAndreas> just installed ubuntu for the first time.  Love the install, but....vid drivers weren't there
[06:53] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, if it's the card i fouund out, yes
[06:53] <MattAndreas> anyone know how to get some for a Dimension 3000's onboard Intel chipset?
[06:53] <FR500> it's got an atheros chipset so it should be working
[06:54] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, do you have the windows drivers?
[06:54] <disasm> difeta: and my irc.gentux.org server (debian unstable) is running apache...
[06:54] <hondje> MattAndreas: lspci should tell you what onboard video card you have
[06:54] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500, wellll...  the amd 64 is a difference ....
[06:54] <IIIEars> Scorp - NP - "pay it forward"
[06:54] <tsume> debian.. heh /me laughs
[06:54] <nickrud> kalias sudo rm /usr/bin/runLime.sh
[06:54] <hondje> MattAndreas: Like I get '0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)'
[06:54] <Scorp> IIIEars: will do
[06:54] <MattAndreas> Intel 82865G
[06:54] <MattAndreas> we got the same thing
[06:54] <nickrud> kalias and sudo rm /opt/LimeWire
[06:54] <crimsun> Sero: did you search for "ca0106"?
[06:55] <MattAndreas> now where do I find the driver?
[06:55] <nickrud> kalias that should clean you out
[06:55] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500, .... the drivers are on my WinXP HD (ntfs) (and I haven't figured out how to mount it yet through Ubuntu live.)
[06:55] <matjan> hello, i want to install ubuntu on my slave harddrive, and have a dual boot system? how do i approach this the best way? i'm a total newbie to linux...
[06:55] <tsume> breezy wocks! :)
[06:55] <MattAndreas> Intel 82865G Integrated Graphics Device, to be exact
[06:55] <IIIEars> hondje - lol - done a bit of reading on the i810 it isn't the best. - no accel from what i have seen. - anyone want to buy a lightly used HP machine?
[06:55] <zachary> matjan
[06:55] <matjan> yes
[06:55] <disasm> tsume: i like debian. it doesn't install anything by default, I completely customize it. If I could do that with ubuntu i'd be excited... i just like xorg enough to get adventurous ;-)
[06:56] <hondje> MattAndreas: In /etc/X11/xorg.conf, I believe you'd want to put 'i810' as your driver, but I'm checking that real fast
[06:56] <ubuntu_n00b> Jormundgand, ditto....  I'd rather not be a giant serpent/dragon
[06:56] <kalias> nickrud:  kalias@Wimpy:~$  sudo rm /opt/LimeWire
[06:56] <kalias> rm: cannot remove `/opt/LimeWire': Is a directory
[06:56] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, the chances on getting wifi to work on livecd are slimer than an installed one
[06:56] <bob2> IIIEars: i810 isn't *that* bad...it's plenty good enough for desktoppy stuff and the occassional tuxracer
[06:56] <fabbione> disasm: you can achive the same using the ubuntu server install :)
[06:56] <eyequeue> disasm:  press the various F keys on the install cd at boot, choose "server" and "expert"
[06:56] <zachary> make sure before you try this that your slave harddrive boots as a slave
[06:56] <hondje> IIIEars: Hrm, I didn't know i810 could do accel
[06:56] <nickrud> kalias and sudo rm -r /opt/LimeWire
[06:56] <bob2> kalias: sudo rm -r /opt/Limiwire/
[06:56] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, probably just installing it will work
[06:56] <zachary> i've been having problems with it
[06:56] <tsume> disasm: you can, on install, type server instead of just hitting enter
[06:56] <ubuntu_n00b> so once I give in I should be ok.....  hopefully.
[06:56] <disasm> fabbione: ah thats right, i did see that...
[06:56] <zachary> i run an hp with the stock 80 gig hardrive
[06:56] <tsume> disasm: the install will then not install X and other apps
[06:57] <zachary> and i put ubuntu on a slave
[06:57] <fabbione> disasm: and it will install the real bare bone system
[06:57] <IIIEars> bob2 - Hadn't had much luck with accel myself - 300fps in glxgears for a 64mb card
[06:57] <zachary> i guess it could be a problem with the bios boot sequence
[06:57] <disasm> tsume: will it install server stuff, or will it do a nice clean slate?
[06:57] <matjan> i think it does... the boot partition (for win2k) is on my other (master) drive
[06:57] <MattAndreas> ok, wait...
[06:57] <MattAndreas> it's in there already
[06:57] <disasm> fabbione: awesome, i'll have to try that
[06:57] <tsume> disasm: basically nothing
[06:57] <kalias> nickrud: done.  Should I check for directories to make sure that things are cleaned out?
[06:57] <MattAndreas> and yet it doesn't let me choose anything other than 640x480
[06:57] <fabbione> disasm: enjoy :) btw i use it here for testing and it works just fine
[06:57] <tsume> disasm: bare bones, you must install the servers, etc manually
[06:57] <nickrud> kalias yes, always check stuff for yourself
[06:58] <disasm> fabbione: what do you have to do to get ubuntu to automagically setup xorg.conf for you if you do it that way?
[06:58] <matjan> zachary: but you have it running now?
[06:58] <xskoulax> hi
[06:58] <zachary> yes it works great
[06:58] <tsume> disasm: I like ubuntu becuase the people are friendly, the software doesn't stay ancient, and they are quick in response
[06:58] <MattAndreas> in the screen resolution tool jobby
[06:58] <bob2> MattAndreas: known bug
[06:58] <IIIEars> Mattandreas - NP problem with resolution. it can really put out high res.
[06:58] <fabbione> disasm: well hmm... let me remember...
[06:58] <FR500> how can i rename an interface  on boot?
[06:58] <kalias> nickrud:  I check /etc for limewire correct?  It should be gone.
[06:58] <wulfepup> is there a way to mount the hd through the Live CD?
[06:58] <bob2> wulfepup: sure, in the terminal
[06:58] <disasm> tsume: yeah, it's like #gentoo without compiling source ;-)
[06:58] <bob2> FR500: edit /etc/iftab
[06:58] <tsume> disasm: though, you must be careful, there are some of the debian mean people floating in this channel
[06:58] <matjan> zachary: cool... win2k and ubuntu?
[06:58] <eyequeue> FR500:  man 5 iftab, iirc
[06:58] <FR500> thx
[06:58] <zachary> winxp
[06:58] <zachary> and ubuntu
[06:58] <MattAndreas> bob2: so i'm stuck then?
[06:59] <zachary> but itll work the same
[06:59] <tsume> disasm: only if you use the latest development like I do
[06:59] <bob2> MattAndreas: no, you just need to edit the config manually
[06:59] <FR500> this is the best community ever
[06:59] <hondje> MattAndreas: Nope!
[06:59] <xskoulax> wondering if anyone can help me, i've been having problems getting the gnome battery monitor working right
[06:59] <fabbione> disasm: it should be enough to install xresprobe mdetect and laptop-detect
[06:59] <disasm> tsume: I might be considered one of them ;-)
[06:59] <tsume> disasm: on the releases, updates are every 6 months
[06:59] <zachary> just in the bios change the boot sequence to the slave
[06:59] <nickrud> kalias yes that's always a very good check, although I don't think limewire put anything there
[06:59] <zachary> first
[06:59] <hondje> MattAndreas: First and really only step is to google for the specs of your monitor
[06:59] <fabbione> disasm: and after install x-window-system
[06:59] <zachary> and that should work
[06:59] <MattAndreas> ok, so what do I do again?  (sorry to be a pain in the butt)
[06:59] <fabbione> brb
[06:59] <zachary> so you can install it on there
[06:59] <MattAndreas> my monitor?
[06:59] <IIIEars> MattAndreas - Your card is great for ubuntu. don't ask it to play Doom3
[06:59] <MattAndreas> not the video card?
[06:59] <tsume> disasm: I use breezy though, everything is updated. Right now they are going through a transition phase.
[06:59] <leo_mx> is there any command to switch between desktops?
[06:59] <anolis_> what is breezy?
[06:59] <hondje> MattAndreas: If i810 is there, you're good :)
[06:59] <MattAndreas> IIIEars: sure.  but how do I get it to do 1280x1024
[06:59] <bob2> MattAndreas: in my Monitor section in xorg.conf, I have this:
[06:59] <zachary> leomx
[06:59] <bob2>         HorizSync       30-96
[06:59] <bob2>         VertRefresh     48-160
[07:00] <xskoulax> virtual desktops? leo_mx
[07:00] <nickrud> kalias you probably have a dot file in your home (~.limewire, or some such)
[07:00] <zachary> shft ctrl arrow
[07:00] <tsume> anolis_: brezzy wocks ;)
[07:00] <eyequeue> anolis_:  development version
[07:00] <zachary> left right
[07:00] <matjan> ok... do i do that even before the installation?
[07:00] <leo_mx> no...simply workspaces
[07:00] <anolis_> where can i get it?
[07:00] <eyequeue> anolis_:  avoid it if you're not a developer :)
[07:00] <disasm> tsume: is breezy == testing?
[07:00] <IIIEars> MattAndreas - bob2 has it for you.
[07:00] <eyequeue> anolis_:  see /topic
[07:00] <tsume> anolis_: you need to change your apt.list in /etc/apt from hoary to breezy
[07:00] <bob2> MattAndreas: yo ucan find the values for those from the "monitorrange" line in the output of "sudo ddcprobe"
[07:00] <hondje> MattAndreas: find the specs for your monitor and add lines like bob2's to xorg.conf...then add your desired resolutions in the file with all the rest of them at the bottom
[07:00] <tsume> disasm: sort of
[07:00] <DAC1138> if i use synaptic to uninstall an app with ?complete removal" will that remove all the dependencies it install too?
[07:00] <bob2> (it IS monitor-specific)
[07:00] <kalias> nickrud:  I think everything is okay.  I will now install the program that blackgibson recommended.  Thanks for the help :)
[07:00] <bob2> hondje: no need to find the specds unless the monitor is broken
[07:00] <eyequeue> tsume:  um, /topic
[07:00] <bob2> or the kvm
[07:00] <xskoulax> ctrl+alt then left or right arrow
[07:01] <tsume> disasm: its stable most of the time. Right now there are a couple broken packages, but nothing to be worried about
[07:01] <leo_mx> cool
[07:01] <hondje> bob2: all these years I never heard of that...now I got to play with it
[07:01] <tsume> eyequeue: the topic are for people who don't know what they are doing.
[07:01] <nickrud> kalias np, and, now that you've been cleansed, you can install and run gtk-gnutella without removing limewire
[07:01] <bob2> tsume: like ssh X-forwarding not broken, or X not starting for some people?
[07:01] <zachary> i think before you could just choose if from the ubuntu install
[07:01] <bob2> anolis_: please don't use it
[07:01] <MattAndreas> ok, I found a Monitor section
[07:01] <anolis_> nvm.. doesnt sound all that easy and "breezy"
[07:01] <nickrud> kalias :)
[07:01] <MattAndreas> and also a Screen section
[07:01] <Razor-X> ok, so I was in the wrong server the whole time
[07:01] <Razor-X> scary, that
[07:01] <MattAndreas> the Screen one already has all the modes in there
[07:01] <bob2> tsume: I think people who don't know how to use apt don't qualify for "know what they are doing"
[07:01] <eyequeue> anolis_:  please disregard what tsume is saying
[07:01] <MattAndreas> the Monitor does not
[07:01] <matjan> zachary: ok... do i do that even before the installation?
[07:01] <tsume> bob2: x forwarding works here.. and as far as X not starting for people.. build the font dirs and it will start then ;)
[07:02] <matjan> oops... ok, i missed your answer
[07:02] <bob2> MattAndreas: yes, add only the lines I mentioned (with the right values) to the Monitor section
[07:02] <leo_mx> how could i make a shorcut to the trash can in my desktop?. becaus the trash can is in my panel...also..is ther any way to pop up the trash can by the terminal?
[07:02] <aatim> !ping me
[07:02] <FR500> does anyone have enlightment?
[07:02] <ubotu> aatim: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:02] <disasm> tsume: i'm new as of saturday, haven't gotten into the ins and outs of ubuntu's policy, just impressed by the community, and the fact xorg configed itself i was worried after debian kept freezing (no switching to virtual terms or anything, complete lockout...) when i started x
[07:02] <zachary> matjan: restart the computer with the ubuntu disk in, and it should allow you to choose which drive to install linux on, choose the slave
[07:02] <eyequeue> leo_mx:  you can't drag to the icon on the panel?
[07:02] <leo_mx> no
[07:02] <tsume> hehe
[07:02] <bob2> disasm: the X in debian is unfortunately very very old
[07:02] <hondje> 4.3 :(
[07:02] <MattAndreas> bob2: just the refresh rates?
[07:02] <matjan> right... and then the bootloader takes care of the rest?
[07:02] <tsume> bob2: no kidding :)
[07:02] <MattAndreas> no resolutions?
[07:02] <zachary> matjan: then when its all done (about 30 min)
[07:02] <bob2> MattAndreas: indeed
[07:03] <tsume> debian is dead :P
[07:03] <Razor-X> my eyes... my eys....!!!
[07:03] <bob2> MattAndreas: you may need to add resolutions at the bottom later, if they aren't there already
[07:03] <hondje> Debian isn't close to dead
[07:03] <Razor-X> I have seen... enlightenment!!!!
[07:03] <FR500> tsume, why?
[07:03] <daba> Hi, when I boot now I get a kernel Panic error message. I can sometimes not even get to the booting linux stage, it sometimes hangs at the memory count. This page shows the exact error I get on screen, when the kernel panic happens: http://pastebin.com/296297 .
[07:03] <tsume> hondje: debian is dying :)P
[07:03] <zachary> matjan: yes  well you have to tell your computer that you want to slave drive to run any bootloader
[07:03] <hondje> hehe, tsume confirms it, don't have to be The Amazing Kreskin :)
[07:03] <eyequeue> please let's not bash distros here
[07:03] <dr_willis> hangs at the memory count --> you mean when the pc furst boots?
[07:03] <wulfepup> Ok, assuming I'm mostlyt a n00b, but know how to follow directions....is there a guide for installing Ubuntu as a dual boot (with XP) on an already configured XP machine?
[07:03] <sproingie> tsume: has netcraft confirmed it?
[07:03] <matjan> zachary: how to do that?
[07:03] <tsume> hondje: netcraft confirms it! debian is dying :)
[07:04] <MattAndreas> bob2: the very bottom, or in "Screen"?
[07:04] <daba> dr_willis: right.
[07:04] <disasm> question, does reportbug point to an ubuntu bug site or debians bugzilla?
[07:04] <matjan> i still need to be able to run win2k
[07:04] <tsume> sproingie: happy? :P
[07:04] <sproingie> disasm: ubuntu's
[07:04] <daba> But, boots into windows on another hard drive fie, when I disable the linux one oiin bios.
[07:04] <hondje> MattAndreas: resolutions you want go in screen, horiz/vert stuff in monitor
[07:04] <dr_willis> daba,  hmm time to do some memory testing.
[07:04] <nickrud> disasm it puts the mail on the ubuntu devel list
[07:04] <zachary> matjan: if you hit esc alot before the computer boots it should allow you to choose which disk you want to run off of
[07:04] <tsume> kroot has landed!
[07:04] <tsume> *root
[07:04] <daba> dr_willis: doubtful.
[07:04] <nickrud> embarrasing
[07:04] <eyequeue> disasm:  reportbug (1)        - reports a bug to a debbugs server
[07:04] <disasm> sweet, i might upgrade my release and join the devel list, help find bugs in betas and stuff...
[07:04] <MattAndreas> hondje: and because the horiz/vert stuff isn't there, only 640x480 shows up as a res option?
[07:04] <cafuego> tsume: Netcraft lies. i can't 9for instance) tell that all my Debian vhosts run Debian.
[07:05] <koosy> can anyone help me with zsnes?
[07:05] <hondje> MattAndreas: Yep, you got it
[07:05] <dr_willis> daba,  its failing at the bios post - sounds to me like it could be a bad/loose chip.
[07:05] <hondje> cafuego: Netcraft didn't actually say that, it's a play on the classic "*BSD is Dying" troll
[07:05] <dr_willis> koosy,  whats the problem?
[07:05] <daba> dr_willis: hard drive issue, more likely, boots windows fine when I disable that linux hard drive in BIOS.
[07:05] <tsume> hondje: had to make a bit on fun with that ancient line :)
[07:05] <MattAndreas> bob2: thanks
[07:05] <zachary> matjan: good luck
[07:05] <disasm> koosy: zsnes, i think thats what i setup on my freevo box for snes games, whats the problem?
[07:05] <MattAndreas> hondje: thanks
[07:05] <MattAndreas> now to find out
[07:05] <tsume> hondje: I'm bored :)
[07:05] <cafuego> hondje: BSD is alive and well in an millons of Macs ;-)
[07:06] <matjan> zachary: ok... so you don't get a menu where the pc asks if you want to run windows or ubuntu?
[07:06] <koosy> i can't compile it. i'm a real noob, but i've done a few things right with other things so far
[07:06] <hondje> Does no one but tsume appreciate a classic troll? :(
[07:06] <IIIEars> MattAndreas - http://pastebin.com/296298 - My XORG file - remember if bob2 is right accel may be misconfigured. but it does res fine.
[07:06] <dr_willis> daba,  the hard drive is making the POST fail its memory check.. Hmmm... that sounds VERY odd.  or somthing is confuseing. :P
[07:06] <eyequeue> cafuego:  just like the 486 ;)
[07:06] <hondje> MattAndreas: No problem
[07:06] <tsume> heh. I knew Apple was working on porting MacOSX to the intel chips a year before the news
[07:06] <alexander__> is it possible to get dovecot working on ubuntu?
[07:06] <cafuego> hondje: Most people don't apprecial ANY trolls.
[07:06] <koosy> it comes with configure
[07:06] <daba> dr_willis: thanks.
[07:06] <Joe_Powerbook> tsume: try 5 years before the news
[07:06] <tsume> hondje: I get a kick out of the old jokes, so slap me
[07:06] <zachary> matjan: i always had to do the way i'm telling you but if its different for you email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:06] <hondje> tsume: hey, I'm with you man :)
[07:06] <koosy> it keeps telling me it cannot guess build type
[07:06] <hondje> tsume: I know when the handwriting is on the wall
[07:07] <tsume> hondje: I still like the "All your base are belong to us" :)
[07:07] <dr_willis> koosy,  zsnes in in the packages :P are you useing a 64bit disrto however?
[07:07] <nickrud> alexander__ I was using imap on debian with courier, and dovecot dropped in nicely iirc
[07:07] <hondje> hehe
[07:07] <disasm> koosy: oh wow, it's not in ubuntu, compiling from scratch... not sure if I want to go that far... or maybe i will, test out this 64 bit processor...
[07:07] <matjan> alright zachary... thanks for the direction
[07:07] <koosy> haha
[07:07] <zachary> matjan: no prob good luck and good night
[07:07] <anolis_> would someone like to help me setup my kernel source so that i can install vmware, so that i can install windows inside vmware, so that i can install SharkPort, so that i can add codes to my Gameshark on My playstation2 that is installed onto my homes power grid
[07:07] <zachary> zachary out
[07:07] <tsume> you aren't allowed to slap me, only women are supposed to do that :)
[07:07] <dr_willis> koosy,  you are useing 64bit ubuntu and trying to compile zsnes?
[07:07] <disasm> koosy: can you give me a link to wget source? if not I'll google it real quick
[07:07] <tsume> which is quite frequently
[07:08] <eyequeue> alexander__:  i'd say this says yes: http://ftp.ankara.edu.tr/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dovecot/
[07:08] <alexander__> nickrud, iirc? whats that?
[07:08] <crimsun> anolis_: you need linux-source-2.6.10 and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:08] <MattAndreas> rebooting now...we'll see how it goes
[07:08] <koosy> well, i don't think its 64bit, it shouldn't be
[07:08] <hondje> The fun part about IRC is you can't tell what I am :)
[07:08] <wulfepup> tsume  it's part of the "old joke thread"  *sigh*
[07:08] <koosy> its at www.zsnes.com
[07:08] <tsume> crimsun: I run 2.6.12 ;)
[07:08] <dr_willis> koosy,  i mean the LINUX disrto you are useing. :P
[07:08] <anolis_> yes so i just install those packages?
[07:08] <nickrud> alexander__ that means, I did it, but don't exactly remember how, but if I recall correctly, it was easy
[07:08] <anolis_> is it really that easy?
[07:08] <koosy> i'm using 1386 hoary
[07:08] <koosy> damn i feel stupid
[07:08] <daba> crimsun: did you see my question above at all?
[07:08] <nickrud> alexander__ that is, if I recall correctly
[07:08] <tsume> the 2.6.12 kernel which ubuntu distribs is much.. bigger
[07:09] <disasm> koosy: it is in it... just not 64 bit yet...
[07:09] <dr_willis> koosy,  zsnes if i recall - uses some 32 bit only assembly. however the snes9x can work on 64bit ubuntu.     but i just 'apt-get install zsnes" :P
[07:09] <MattAndreas> uh oh
[07:09] <MattAndreas> that blew up X
[07:09] <disasm> koosy: add multiverse to your sources.list if its not in it
[07:09] <MattAndreas> now it won't start
[07:09] <koosy> oh ok, how can i do that stuff?
[07:10] <alexander__> nickrud, ive been trying here for a while, but no luck getting dovecot to work - on debian it needed no config, in ubuntu you have to configure it, but still something ive missed...
[07:10] <MattAndreas>      HorizSync       30-96
[07:10] <MattAndreas> bob2         VertRefresh     48-160
[07:10] <dr_willis> heh :) been doing stuff the hard way eh.. :P
[07:10] <koosy> i'm sorry guys, but i've been trying to have fun with the synaptic thing for a few days now
[07:10] <nickrud> alexander__ but, courier imap is what I use now, and it is easy
[07:10] <MattAndreas> shoudl there be quotes around those?
[07:10] <koosy> yeah really
[07:10] <wulfepup> FR500, are you using 5.04 or a previous build?
[07:10] <anolis_> crimsun is that all i have to do?
[07:10] <koosy> it took me hours to get java and azureus
[07:10] <koosy> not really, but it seemed like it
[07:10] <dr_willis> proberly need to install some extra repositoroies. then just 'sudo apt-get install zsnes'
[07:10] <tsume> woo, more breezy updates!
[07:10] <FR500> wulfepup, both
[07:10] <alexander__> nickrud, to configure?
[07:10] <tsume> gcc 3.4 and packages
[07:10] <crimsun> anolis_: no.
[07:10] <crimsun> anolis_: there's a walk-through somewhere; use Google
[07:10] <wulfepup> oh.. so much for that idea...
[07:10] <disasm> koosy: open it with <favorite text editor goes here> and append multiverse to the end, or type this as root: vi /etc/apt/sources.list<enter>:%s/universe/universe multiverse/g<enter>:wq<enter>
[07:11] <FR500> wulfepup, on both worked out of the box
[07:11] <crimsun> daba: no
[07:11] <tsume> evolution too :) maybe they packaged the fix for the contact bug
[07:11] <FR500> 5.04 >>>>>>>> 4.10
[07:11] <nickrud> alexander__ but, I will say that courier imap & evolution under hoary threads properly; courier imap under breezy doesn't, and I've not found the fix
[07:11] <hondje> MattAndreas: No quotes for horiz/vert
[07:11] <disasm> koosy: then apt-get update; apt-get install zsnes
[07:11] <anolis_> ok so what do i need exactly, im using the default Hoary 5.04 ubuntu install
[07:11] <koosy> should that be it?
[07:11] <daba> crimsun: ok, thanks. Would you happen to know anything about kernel panics? I have a post of the erro here: http://pastebin.com/296297 .
[07:11] <disasm> koosy: if you dont know root password, sudo bash will make you root
[07:11] <koosy> right
[07:11] <alexander__> nickrud, thx, ill give courier a try
[07:12] <nickrud> and the fix is my problem, I've seen it before, I just can't remember what the fix is yet
[07:12] <IIIEars> MatAndreas - Ach! wrong machine wrong XORG!  using a kvm to switch back and forth. sorry.
[07:12] <koosy> thanks guys, i'll give this a try and be back
[07:12] <crimsun> daba: I'm about to head to bed, but I'll take a look
[07:12] <daba> crimsun, thank you, it should not take long just to take a lok.
[07:12] <MattAndreas> hondje: that's where I goofed
[07:12] <MattAndreas> rebooting again now
[07:12] <wulfepup> FR500, so maybe the amd64 or maybe the Live CD or maybe the nVidia.  Ok.. Got it ...  the Live CD is a pain anyway...  nothing is permanent...LOL
[07:12] <FR500> yes
[07:12] <crimsun> daba: from a livecd or installed?
[07:12] <MattAndreas> guessing this'll do it
[07:13] <MattAndreas> and then I can get a beer and then sleep :)
[07:13] <daba> crimsun, installed, II have had it run for a while, as you know if you know who I am...\
[07:13] <alexander__> cd ..
[07:13] <wulfepup> so is there a walkthrough for installing Ubuntu?
[07:13] <tsume> just out of curiosity, is perl6 still vapourware, or does anyone know if they are actually working on it?
[07:13] <MattAndreas> works beautifully now
[07:13] <MattAndreas> Thanks folks
[07:13] <MattAndreas> this is what makes linux rule :)
[07:13] <ksmurf> does anyone have any advice installing a LAVA serial card?
[07:14] <Seveas> wulfepup, not needed, the installer is ber-simple
[07:14] <disasm> daba: i'm no expert, but i'd say its not mounting the fs, what fs are you using, and is this ide/scsi/sata? is there a raid involved?
[07:14] <wulfepup> I'm assuming it isn't as easy as say.. Windo$e
[07:14] <ksmurf> or a serial wacom graphire?
[07:14] <daba> it says which filesystem in that post.
[07:14] <IIIEars> G'nite MattAndreas!
[07:14] <Seveas> wulfepup, easier (apart from partitioning)
[07:14] <daba> no raid, plain hard disk
[07:14] <disasm> wulfepup: it's so easy you don't need a walkthrough
[07:14] <MattAndreas> uh oh
[07:14] <MattAndreas> vertical positioning is a bit off
[07:14] <MattAndreas> screw it.  I'll deal with that later
[07:14] <MattAndreas> monitor already as far up as it can go
[07:14] <disasm> Seveas: i think it's partitioning is easier than windows xp...
[07:15] <MattAndreas> and the image is still too low
[07:15] <ksmurf> disasm:It is easy... I've done it 15 times on this machine this week
[07:15] <Seveas> disasm, I think so too, but partitioning can be scary to newbies :)
[07:15] <Seveas> disasm, especially since most do not know they have to create a swap partition :)
[07:15] <crimsun> daba: what changed?
[07:15] <wulfepup> Ok, so assuming a nearly full HD and WinXP Home....and I'm shooting for a dual boot... no walkthrough.
[07:15] <disasm> ksmurf: yeah, thats what i thought, i remember using fdisk (not cfdisk) with slack back in the late 90's...
[07:16] <wulfepup> just gotta clean off enough space for a reasonable install.
[07:16] <daba> crimsun: I wish I knew. Again, I probably changed many things between boots.Is there no common cause with these kernel panics like that?
[07:17] <disasm> Seveas: yeah, but most people using windows just tell it to take over the drive, i don't think a windows xp user would be comfortable splitting a partition to have separate data/os drives, and it has an option to do a desktop install instead of manual...
[07:17] <crimsun> daba: it's very difficult to narrow down the cause with such a wide range of possibilities
[07:17] <ksmurf> yay 24 hours without breaking my system....lol
[07:17] <Seveas> disasm, indeed :)
[07:17] <MattAndreas> 1024x768 works perfectly
[07:17] <Seveas> ksmurf, congrats :D
[07:17] <daba> crimsun: I see, thank you. Then, it is ewither my local expert:) or I will back up reinstall.
[07:17] <MattAndreas> but it always specs 75Hz
[07:17] <wulfepup> now I'm confused...
[07:17] <MattAndreas> that seems strange
[07:17] <MattAndreas> maybe if I changed that, it would center right at 1280x1024
[07:18] <MattAndreas> No matter.
[07:18] <MattAndreas> thanks again, bob2 and hondje!
[07:18] <disasm> daba: did you try choosing a diff kernel?
[07:18] <ksmurf> does anyone have any advice installing a LAVA serial card?
[07:18] <ksmurf> or a serial wacom graphire?
[07:18] <hondje> MattAndreas: Happy to help, I'm quite bored at work :)
[07:18] <MattAndreas> heh
[07:18] <crimsun> daba: if you can narrow down the range, it'd help
[07:18] <MattAndreas> later on
[07:18] <daba> Dusasm, yes, post states that as well, did not try recovery mode, will try that nesxt.
[07:19] <daba> crimsun: any tips on narrowing it? perhaps try remembering what I did?
[07:19] <crimsun> daba: yes
[07:19] <daba> crimsun: ok, that will be what Ill do after I try recovery.
[07:19] <disasm> daba: ah, didn't see the () there
[07:19] <wulfepup> Well if I don't have a chance to dl the install CD over the weekend (my only chance to get on a high speed) I'll just wait for the CDs...  I req'ed them about a week or so ago...  so not terribly longer
[07:19] <daba> disasm: thank you.
[07:19] <daba> crimsun: good night. thank you again, as always.
[07:20] <disasm> daba: i didn't do anything other than ask useless questions ;-)
[07:20] <daba> disasm: I know, thanks for the good will.
[07:21] <disasm> daba: no problem
[07:22] <Scorp> I don't remembering entering a root pw (I know there is no root but it still asks for a pw?)
[07:22] <rixth> Can you import .abr Photoshop brush files into the Gimp, if so how?
[07:22] <FR500> bye
[07:22] <FR500> thx
[07:22] <disasm> Scorp: sudo passwd will let you set root pass
[07:22] <Scorp> ty
[07:22] <Amaranth> Scorp: Don't do that.
[07:23] <Amaranth> Scorp: When something asks for a password, put in your password.
[07:23] <IIIEars> !rootsudo
[07:23] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:23] <Scorp> oh my pw?
[07:23] <Seveas> disasm, please tell people about sudo before telling them to set a rootpassword
[07:23] <Seveas> Scorp, yes
[07:24] <IIIEars> poor Seveas - grin
[07:24] <Seveas> Scorp, ubuntu uses sudo by default, see the link ubotu said
[07:24] <Seveas> :)
[07:24] <IIIEars> Sudo works much better.
[07:25] <eyequeue> and safer
[07:25] <wulfepup> sudo rm - .. ahh crud I wish I could remember the rest of that super evil command.
[07:25] <Seveas> IIIEars, eyequeue, indeed. If only everyone was convinced of that :)
[07:25] <Scorp> umm so what do I do to check if my wifi card works?
[07:25] <Seveas> wulfepup, sudo rm -rf /
[07:25] <Seveas> :p
[07:25] <Seveas> Scorp, iwlist scan
[07:26] <Seveas> that lets the card scan
[07:26] <Seveas> sudo iwlist scan even
[07:26] <Scorp> ok it works
[07:26] <Scorp> thanks
[07:26] <kvidell> how do I add a user to samba?
[07:26] <wulfepup> yeah  that one!!!]
[07:26] <kvidell> I type smbpasswd and it says "kvidell: no such user"
[07:26] <nickrud> IIIEars tell me a bit about this bot, it's better than the last, I think
[07:26] <Scorp> apt-get install WPA_suppliment ? now?
[07:26] <dr_willis> smbpasswd -a user
[07:26] <dr_willis> :P
[07:27] <Seveas> Scorp, wpa is difficult to set-up unfortunately
[07:27] <dr_willis> i think
[07:27] <eyequeue> Scorp:  supplicant
[07:27] <kvidell> ah, cool.
[07:27] <Seveas> but you need wpa_supplicant
[07:27] <nern> hi\
[07:27] <kvidell> yay, thanks.
[07:27] <Scorp> couldn't find package?
[07:27] <Scorp> maybe I need to configure some mirrors?
[07:27] <tsume> wpasupplicant
[07:27] <wulfepup> I'm still learning this cmd line stuff .. I used to work with it on and off...  but now I'm trying to kick into full time.
[07:27] <Seveas> Scorp, you need universe enabled
[07:28] <Scorp> what's that?
[07:28] <Seveas> the package is wpasupplicant by the way, so without a _
[07:28] <eyequeue> Scorp:  "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant" after you configure universe
[07:28] <Seveas> Scorp, www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[07:28] <Seveas> Scorp, wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:29] <Scorp> ok thank you
[07:29] <tsume> wpa is much better than insecure wep
[07:29] <Seveas> tsume, much better is quite untrue, it can still be cracked
[07:29] <disasm> Seveas: sorry bout that, had never read that before, interesting...
[07:29] <Seveas> ccmp (the standard-to-be) will finally fix this
[07:30] <eyequeue> Scorp:  i recommend getting your card to work without wpa or wep initially, then adding the encryption back in, if you can
[07:30] <jdims> has alot to do with wordlists and password strength, wpa is more superior though
[07:30] <tsume> Seveas: its only as bad as any password implementation today, by brute force
[07:30] <disasm> Seveas: so should i refrain telling people to just sudo bash as well?
[07:30] <tsume> Seveas: so therefore, its much better
[07:30] <Seveas> tsume, again untrue, wpa supports 802.1x natively
[07:30] <tsume> Seveas: any service today may be brute forced
[07:31] <Seveas> disasm, sudo -i is the way to get a root login shell :)
[07:31] <tsume> Seveas: no, again true. All services can be brute forced.
[07:31] <Seveas> tsume, well, not quite
[07:31] <disasm> Seveas: ah, i was reading that, never used it before, that works...
[07:31] <tsume> Seveas: yes
[07:31] <Seveas> tsume, no :)
[07:31] <Amaranth> tsume: If you have half the world working on it it might happen in a couple decades.
[07:31] <hondje> You're more at risk from /dev/shm not being mounted -noexec
[07:31] <tsume> Seveas: you must not be in security much
[07:31] <Seveas> tsume, read up on things like Lamports hash
[07:31] <Seveas> tsume, lol :D
[07:32] <IIIEars> If Sudo is safer than root or not either is better than XP's defaults
[07:33] <xskoulax> is there ubuntu channel for laptop support?
[07:33] <disasm> Seveas: maybe you can help me then, I have two locations i have joined with an ipsec vpn, it works fine, but the firewall kills it, you know what rules i need in my firewall script to allow ipsec?
[07:33] <rixth> Can you import .abr Photoshop brush files into the Gimp, if so how?
[07:33] <eyequeue> xskoulax:  you're in it
[07:33] <koosy> hey guys, if youre still there, i did it, thanks!
[07:33] <Seveas> tsume, there are lot of zero-knoledge proof systems around that can only be attacked online. With good security measures to detect these attacks (and that's not too difficult) and using perfect forward secrecy and strong session keys, you can effectively disable brute-force attacks
[07:33] <disasm> koosy: sweet
[07:34] <xskoulax> thats what i thought i couldn't see any other channels mentioned on the website
[07:34] <Chislon> can someone tell me how to access my fat32 partition?
[07:34] <IIIEars> Hi rxth - #gimp is no help. too quiet :/
[07:34] <Seveas> disasm, if your firewall does nat or alters your packages, you're screwed
[07:34] <cyanact> so i installed ubuntu server and want to log in as root, not the user thing i put in. how do i do that?
[07:34] <koosy> only prob is its like 10 versions ago, but at least i have something to play with while i try to compile the latest version
[07:34] <eyequeue> xskoulax:  or read/post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=63?referrerid=7995
[07:34] <Seveas> cyanact, the server install option lets you setup a root account iirc
[07:34] <disasm> cyanact: use sudo
[07:35] <IIIEars> rixth i have a link it may help was just given it.http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html
[07:35] <Seveas> if not, use sudo
[07:35] <tsume> Seveas: just makes it more unlikely for the nonsavy crackers.
[07:35] <Seveas> cyanact: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:35] <nickrud> Chislon probably, do you know what partition it is on?
[07:35] <cyanact> ahhh thank you
[07:35] <rixth> IIIEars, thanks
[07:35] <blotter> i think a reinstall is in order since i did an upgrade, but here is the situation...everytime i view web pages with firefox OR mozilla, my web browser closes...i cant even view the forums
[07:35] <tsume> Seveas: encryption is just obfuscation, nothing really advanced about it.
[07:35] <disasm> so doues root in ubuntu get completely locked out from login, or is the password just scrambled and can still be brute forced?
[07:35] <Seveas> tsume, lol, go get a clue man....
[07:36] <koosy> actually, i found another .deb of a newer version, but not on synaptic...so i don't know how to install it exactly
[07:36] <Chislon> nickrud, well its the last one i set up so it should be, number 7 i think
[07:36] <eyequeue> disasm:  the former
[07:36] <Seveas> disasm, there is an x in the password field
[07:36] <tsume> Seveas: to me, security is obfuscation. Easy to see plainly through the "security"
[07:36] <Seveas> so no login possible
[07:36] <disasm> koosy: dpkg -i <name_of_package>
[07:36] <cyanact> so that password and username i created on installation, will it basically be treated as root?
[07:36] <tsume> SeamusLP: you need to go get a clue, and maybe work as a security admin.
[07:36] <Seveas> tsume, again, get a clue. Read a network security primer
[07:36] <koosy> ok
[07:36] <nickrud> Chislon sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda will show you your partitions, and what's on them.
[07:36] <disasm> Seveas: ok, thats cool
[07:36] <tsume> *seveas
[07:36] <eyequeue> cyanact:  no, but you can accomplish what you need from it
[07:37] <nickrud> Chislon assuming the fat32 is on the first disk
[07:37] <Chislon> nickrud, and thats a safe command to do? for me lol
[07:37] <cyanact> apt-get and all that?
[07:37] <Seveas> tsume, i work as a security admin...
[07:37] <tsume> Seveas: you really need to follow your own words
[07:37] <Chislon> nickrud, well i only have one harddrive
[07:37] <nickrud> Chislon yeah, it's safe
[07:37] <eyequeue> cyanact:  think of it as "root on the rare occasions i need it, otherwise safe"
[07:37] <tsume> Seveas: then you're a dumbass
[07:37] <Seveas> tsume, sure :)
[07:37] <disasm> tsume: your right to a certain extent, but at the same time from a security point, the more layers of security you have the better.
[07:37] <eyequeue> cyanact:  sudo apt-get ...
[07:37] <cyanact> btw, nemik is my real nick but my modem crashed and the nick is still there. can anyone kick is to i can use it?
[07:37] <Chislon> nickrud,  what is that simple after the -
[07:37] <nickrud> Chislon if you like, you can pm me with your output from the fdisk command
[07:38] <eyequeue> cyanact:  /msg NickServ help ghost
[07:38] <caonex> my hard disk drive led is continously on, i mean it does not even blink. I am not using any programs. I am just logged in to X :0. Also, i run the program "top", but do not see anything that is using the processor so intensively for me not to see it blinking, any ideas on what is causing this?
[07:38] <tsume> disasm: well sure. More the better, but just because you've a dozen great firewalls doesn't make any system secure
[07:38] <koosy> disasm: root@ubuntu:~/Desktop # dpkg -i root/Desktop/zsnes_1.400-1_i386.deb
[07:38] <koosy> dpkg: error processing root/Desktop/zsnes_1.400-1_i386.deb (--install):
[07:38] <koosy>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory