[12:41] <Riddell> sebas: in pyqt how do I connect to a slot that takes arguments?
[12:41] <Riddell> theine: kdelibs still compiling away I'm afraid
[12:44] <theine> Riddell, no problem, I can wait as I don't have a particular desperate need for building kopete svn right now
[12:44] <Riddell> sebas: if I do SLOT("foo") is only talks to the class I inherited from
[01:02] <dholbach> good night guys
[01:02] <Riddell> night dholbach
[01:10] <dholbach> night Riddell
[02:19] <poimen> Riddell : I got a long nap lol I havent installed dapper yet
[02:19] <poimen> going to burn it now
[02:20] <Riddell> poimen: ah well, I'm about to go to sleep :)
[02:21] <poimen> ok
[02:21] <poimen> what hr you going to be here tomorow?
[02:22] <poimen> well its 9;21pm here
[02:22] <Riddell> I have a meeting at 08:00UTC tomorrow so I'll be up for that
[02:22] <Riddell> it's currently 01:22UTC
[02:23] <poimen> ok
[02:23] <poimen> see you tomorow then :)
[02:31] <Riddell> freeflying_: what's happening with ttf-arphic-newsung? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1020
[02:42] <allee> Riddell: digikam{,imageplugins}-doc is in debian non-free because of GFDL and not in kubuntu yet.
[02:42] <allee> Riddell: GFDL is 'no' problem for dapper, right?  Whom do I have to trigger to get it synced?
[03:00] <Riddell> allee: FDL is fine for ubuntu
[03:00] <Riddell> for syncing ask me and I'll ask elmo
[03:01] <allee> Riddell: ok, so I ask you can you ask elmo to sync digikamimageplugins-doc? :)
[03:01] <Riddell> it's called digikamimageplugins-doc?
[03:02] <allee> Riddell: with digikam-doc I better wait until tomorrow/erro this morning.  Forgot to ask Toma is we release 0.8.1 of the docs too
[03:02] <Riddell> allee: ok, poke me tomorrow, I'm asleep now anyway
[03:02] <allee> 'k
[03:03] <allee> yeah I better sleep too but I want a first draft of digikam-0.8.1 pkg
[03:53] <freeflying_> after upgrade from breezy to dapper , I can not build packages , it will give : can not find qt
[04:14] <poimen> dapper flight 2 is prety stable so far
[04:39] <poimen> someone kwos how to enable multiverse in dapper?
[09:14] <sebas> Riddell: self.connect(self.userlist, SIGNAL("selectionChanged(QListViewItem *)"), self.slotListClicked)
[09:15] <sebas> def slotListClicked(self,item):
[09:15] <sebas> That's an example from userconfig
[09:58] <viviersf> Riddell : pING
[09:58] <Riddell> hi viviersf
[09:59] <viviersf> hehe
[09:59] <viviersf> hello
[09:59] <viviersf> when using kontact
[09:59] <viviersf> then you go to notes
[09:59] <viviersf> and create one
[09:59] <viviersf> it gives error about not making the file
[09:59] <viviersf> it seems that the knotes dir doesnt get created
[10:02] <Riddell> "Unable to save the notes to /home/jr/.kde/share/apps/knotes/notes.ics. "
[10:02] <Riddell> that one?
[10:03] <viviersf> ityes
[10:03] <viviersf> *yes
[10:03] <Riddell> how insane, I don't remember seeing any reports for that
[10:03] <Riddell> maybe nobody uses knotes
[10:04] <Riddell> I'll ask the kontact people
[10:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee!
[10:04] <Hobbsee> oops, wrong command!
[10:04] <Riddell> I always suspected there was something going on with you two :)
[10:04] <Riddell> hello Huahua
[10:04] <Hobbsee> i meant /msg seth_k|lappy, not /nick seth_k|lappy!  sheesh!
[10:04] <Huahua> hello Riddell
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, he helps me package, no more :P
[10:06] <Hobbsee> ack
[10:06] <freeflying_> Riddell: why can't I do like this " sudo apt-get build-dep kate or orther kde packages"
[10:06] <Hobbsee> cant package anything that requires kdelibs4-dev
[10:07] <Mez> yeah - whats up with kdelibs-dev ?
[10:07] <Hobbsee>  kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libkdnssd1-avahi but it is not installable
[10:08] <Riddell> hmm, did I forget to remove that?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> must have
[10:08] <Mez> Riddell: yeah  i upgraded and it removed kdelibs4-dev and something else :d
[10:09] <freeflying_> Riddell:  after I upgrade to dapper now , when I build kde package , it tell me qt or kdeincludes can not be found
[10:10] <Riddell> ok, I'll fix kdelibs4-dev now
[10:11] <Riddell> freeflying_: scim etc is ok in theory to go into main, so I'll
[10:11] <Riddell> ask the security man to review it
[10:11] <freeflying_> Riddell: cool ,thx
[10:12] <freeflying_> Riddell: unfortunately , I can make them work on my system now
[10:12] <Mez> Riddell: yeah - it should be fine - but for it to be backported is a no go
[10:12] <Riddell> freeflying_: can or can't?
[10:12] <freeflying_> sorry , can't
[10:12] <Riddell> freeflying_: since when do they not work?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: excellent, thanks
[10:13] <freeflying_> Riddell: hard to tell
[10:13] <viviersf> Riddell, well the other dude in impi office uses knotes
[10:13] <viviersf> so he is annoying me a bout it lol
[10:13] <freeflying_> Riddell: they can work well about flight-2
[10:14] <freeflying_> Riddell: but after flight-2, I turn back to breezy
[10:14] <freeflying_> Riddell: so I don't know if this phenomenon due to the patch of immodule
[10:18] <Tonio_> hi all
[10:18] <Mez> Riddell: whats the package(s) for the zeroconf sutff
[10:19] <Riddell> Mez: new kdelibs, new kcontrol has a module added, whatever program you want but kdnssd has the ioslave
[10:20] <freeflying_> Riddell:  I'll do a fresh install to test them
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kde bugs, would you suggest reporting on launchpad or bugs.kde.org ? I'm not very familiar with bug reports;)
[10:20] <Mez> Riddell: do we have a "Zeroconf places" in "Remote places" yet?
[10:21] <Riddell> Mez: yes, should do
[10:21] <Mez> Riddell: libkdnssd-avahi
[10:21] <Mez> not available apparently
[10:22] <Riddell> Mez: that's because it doesn't exist
[10:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: depends if it's a kubuntu problem or a KDE problem
[10:22] <Mez> so why does kdnssd depend on it ?
[10:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think a kde one....
[10:22] <Riddell> Mez: guess I need to reupload that too :)
[10:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: bugs.kde.org then
[10:22] <Mez> Riddell: ah: so no Zeroconf support yet ?
[10:23] <Tonio_> ark bugs when you try to compress a folder when browsing system:/home..... but working with /home/username
[10:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds like KDE then
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay thanks ;)
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: just building that powersave package, and then testing kpowersave... I will let you know if that sounds good
[10:52] <viviersf> Riddell, is pmount still needed by kde 3.5 ?
[10:52] <Mez> Tonio_, darn you - I was looking at doing that
[10:52] <Riddell> viviersf: yes
[10:53] <viviersf> koies
[10:53] <viviersf> *okies
[11:04] <Tonio_> Mez: I was just thinking about test at the moment, not uploads ;)
[11:04] <Mez> ;)
[11:05] <Tonio_> Mez: I you wanna do it, no pb
[11:05] <Tonio_> Mez: already tested it ?
[11:06] <Mez> nah - lol - was looking at doing it :D but meh
[11:07] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:18] <gobbe> hello guys!
[11:25] <tvo> "configure: error: /usr/bin/xmkmf (imake) failed." which pkg do I need to make it work?
[11:25] <tvo> (kdebase, that is)
[11:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: what kdebase version?
[11:26] <Riddell> hello gobbe
[11:27] <tvo> 3.5.0 from svn (assuming you mean tvo :) )
[11:27] <Riddell> tvo: you need the patch which is in latest kdebase in dapper
[11:28] <tvo> k, wwas already guessing something like that, now browsing the debian/ of dapper kdebase
[11:28] <Riddell> --- kdebase/kdm/configure.in.in 2006-01-10 23:50:12.000000000 +0000
[11:28] <Riddell> +++ kdebase/kdm/configure.in.in 2006-01-10 22:59:38.000000000 +0000
[11:28] <Riddell> -    if $XMKMF >&5 2>&1 && test -f Makefile; then
[11:28] <Riddell> +    if $XMKMF /etc/X11 >&5 2>&1 && test -f Makefile; then
[11:34] <tvo> cool, it works now
[11:35] <Riddell> phew :)
[11:36] <tvo> now to fix googlebar ;)
[11:45] <\sh> Riddell: kdebase needs to have a give back..informed infinity / lamont already...only that you know without switching to -devel :)
[11:50] <Riddell> I'll see your kdebase and raise a kdenetwork
[11:51] <viviersf> Riddell,
[11:52] <viviersf> is there a kde package for pppoe ?
[11:54] <\sh> viviersf: you mean something like "pppoeconf"?
[11:54] <viviersf> yar
[11:55] <viviersf> but kdebase
[11:55] <viviersf> *kdebased
[11:55] <viviersf> or proper language
[11:56] <viviersf> qt based
[11:56] <\sh> not that I know of
[11:57] <viviersf> kk
[11:57] <viviersf> fancy putting a ,desktop file
[11:57] <viviersf> for pppoeconf
[12:03] <freeflying_> Riddell:  I can not input chinese in kde program with either scim or other chinese input method like fcitx
[12:43] <Riddell> viviersf: knet but I don't know if it works
[12:43] <viviersf> kk
[12:43] <viviersf> Riddell,
[12:43] <viviersf> wont you put in a desktop file for pppoeconfig ?
[12:44] <viviersf> or is that just a bad idea
[12:44] <viviersf> or
[12:44] <viviersf> should i rather put it in an impi package
[12:44] <Riddell> I've never used pppoeconfig, I don't know anything about it
[12:44] <Lathiat> it was taken out
[12:45] <Lathiat> intentoinally
[12:45] <Lathiat> not sure why but none the less
[12:45] <Lathiat> since theres no other way to configure pppoe
[12:59] <allee> Hi all.  wlassistant: I'm looking at current pkging qualility/status and some complains.
[12:59] <allee> is it worth to spend time on wlassistant or has kubuntu already a good state of the art wlan tool?
[01:00] <Riddell> we do not
[01:00] <allee> 'k to I'll try test again here.  And decide again if it's worth fixing
[01:01] <Riddell> allee: Tonio_ already did it http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=776
[01:01] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be in the archives
[01:01] <Tonio_> hum......... Riddell debian packages of powersave and kpowersave are really crappy..... lots of lintian warnings....
[01:01] <Tonio_> isn't the clean lintian report a requirement of debian policy ?
[01:02] <Riddell> nope :)
[01:02] <allee> oh, nice.  it's in alioth svn too since month.  I'll have a look at Tonio_'s
[01:02] <Tonio_> allee: works fine except some bugs........
[01:02] <allee> Tonio_: not required but ftpmaster cal requect it
[01:02] <Riddell> yes, I seem to remember it had problems (not packaging ones)
[01:02] <allee> Tonio_: I know. but I've don't know anything better :(
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact after the initial working connection
[01:02] <Tonio_> if you disconnect and reconnect, dhclient isn't launched
[01:03] <allee> easier to use that is
[01:03] <Tonio_> so you have to perform it manually.........
[01:03] <Tonio_> if that bug could be resolved it would work perfectly....
[01:03] <Tonio_> I'm using it for month and that's the only bug I found
[01:03] <Tonio_> allee: I reported the bug, but no news.... I need to find a dev to make a patch hehe
[01:03] <allee> Tonio_: and the test www.google.com reachable need to be optional (not every home network in online all the time) :(
[01:04] <Tonio_> unfortunately, I can't do it by miself
[01:04] <Tonio_> allee: is there a test performed ? I didn't saw that ;)
[01:04] <allee> Tonio_: cause you're online :)
[01:04] <Tonio_> allee: yep ;)
[01:05] <allee> Tonio_: more bugs you remember?  I add then to debian/TODO
[01:05] <Tonio_> hum..........
[01:05] <Tonio_> nope, I think that's all
[01:06] <Tonio_> allee: I will maybe place a bounty on launchpad for this...
[01:06] <Tonio_> I could pay for a dev to find the bug ;) I want this app to rock hehe
[01:07] <Tonio_> it is by far te only really clean and easy wireless connection tool I found for kde
[01:07] <Tm_T> gobbe: aye, got any?
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't there a big problem with uploads ?
[01:09] <Tonio_> it is the third package that is uploaded but missing, concerning the packages I've done
[01:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: hum, if I update kdelibs, then I lose big bunch of -dev packages
[01:11] <Tm_T> known?
[01:11] <allee> Tonio_: lemme have a look at the code first (don't hold your breath. digikam 0.8.1 has priority)
[01:11] <Tonio_> allee: ok ;)
[01:16] <gobbe> Tm_T, got what?
[01:16] <Tm_T> any answers
[01:16] <Tm_T> aah, idler!
[01:17] <gobbe> Tm_T, i'm quite hurry because f**n customers are calling and asking stupid questions ;)
[01:17] <Tm_T> gobbe: don't look at me like that ;-P
[01:18] <Tm_T> and I'm not asking anything stupid imo
[01:18] <gobbe> hihi
[01:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: none of the packages that I upload have problems, but then I upload with my own address in the changelog so I get the output
[01:21] <Tm_T> hmh, should I keep jabber audio support in kopete or just compile with unsermake
[01:22] <Tm_T> compiling speed vs one new function
[01:22] <Tm_T> install times: with unsermake ~10s and with make ~2min
[01:23] <Riddell> why does jabber audio support not compile with unsermake?
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I will prompt siretart and then if he doesn"t know email elmo
[01:23] <Tm_T> dunno yet, DarkShock has somewhere the error of it...
[01:23] <JRe> Tonio_: when you have time to make the Keep package, pokes me I have one or two thing to tell you
[01:23] <Tonio_> JRe: it is planed by the end of the afternoon ;)
[01:24] <JRe> Tonio_: ok, cool :)
[01:24] <Tm_T> ok, it's lost, I'll try to use unsermake myself to get error out
[01:24] <sealne> Riddell: do you think kde3.5 for breezy is perfectly fine to get people to use (for the forensics students)
[01:26] <Riddell> sealne: yeah should be
[01:26] <sealne> i'd have thought so my self but wanted a second opinion :)
[01:26] <Tm_T> KDE 3.5 <3
[01:28] <sealne> starting an install tat i wanted to time just before wanting to go to the gym was a bad idea
[01:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: have you tested kopete 0.12 branch?
[01:31] <Tm_T> if you like, I might make package of it, so people can test it (without quarantee ofcourse ;p)
[01:54] <gobbe> my workpal is now installing kubuntu and updating to kde3.5 and he's quite big gentoo fan :D
[01:55] <Riddell> :)
[01:57] <freeflying_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1477
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying_: I don't suppose that fixes all the problems with chinese in KDE?
[01:58] <freeflying_> Riddell:  that's just upstream release fix some bugs
[01:59] <Riddell> yep
[02:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: have you triedd skim in dapper
[02:01] <freeflying_> s/triedd/tried
[02:01] <Riddell> freeflying_: not really, I don't know how to use it
[02:02] <freeflying_> Riddell: I'm now rebuilding qt removing immodule patch
[02:11] <\sh> Riddell: added 2 new searchproviders to kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts...lpbug:<bugno> and lpproduct:<productname>
[02:11] <Riddell> \sh: what are the existing shortcuts again?
[02:11] <Riddell> ah, already uploaded
[02:13] <Riddell> ubw should be uwiki in my opinion and should point to wiki.kubuntu.org, I'll change that in a bit
[02:40] <Lathiat> i got a question
[02:40] <Lathiat> is it just me
[02:40] <Lathiat> or is there no way to turn the clock into 12-hour mode
[02:41] <\sh> of course ther eis
[02:41] <\sh> right click on the clock
[02:41] <Riddell> this is KDE
[02:41] <\sh> then date & time format
[02:41] <\sh> then click on time & dates tab
[02:42] <\sh> and select the second entry in time format
[02:42] <\sh> press apply and ok...and feel free to dance the am/pm dance
[02:42] <\sh> and you have to restart the clock applet :)
[02:43] <Riddell> jjesse: gobbe here says he'd love to help with Kubuntu docs
[02:43] <Riddell> Lathiat: what's the status of avahi off by default?
[02:44] <Lathiat> \sh: oh
[02:44] <Lathiat> \sh: i see
[02:44] <Lathiat> thats totally unobvious
[02:44] <Lathiat> :)
[02:44] <\sh> well..the time format is somehow localized setting...so it belongs to the locale settings in kde
[02:45] <Lathiat> Riddell: to be honest i havent really ever touched the avahi package
[02:45] <Riddell> Lathiat: oh, why did I think you had then?
[02:45] <Lathiat> i work on avahi
[02:45] <Lathiat> just havent touched the debian package
[02:47] <Riddell> Lathiat: ok, sorry for the hassle then :)
[02:47] <Riddell> I see slomo in the changelog, I'll ask him
[02:47] <Lathiat> yeh slomo has done a fair bit
[02:47] <Lathiat> and ross
[02:47] <Lathiat> simple change none the less
[02:47] <Lathiat> could just not install avahi-daemon
[02:47] <Lathiat> which works fine
[02:47] <Lathiat> means its harder to get when you want it tho
[02:47] <Lathiat> that said just installing it means it wont work anymore
[02:48] <Lathiat> its a tradeoff really
[02:50] <Riddell> how does not installing avahi-daemon work?
[02:50] <Lathiat> Riddell: libavahiclient doesnt depend on avahi-daemon
[02:50] <Lathiat> and apps will run without it running just the same as it being off by default
[02:51] <Lathiat> and if avahi starts theyll pick up and start using it (assumign its coded correctly)
[02:51] <Riddell> but you need the daemon to advertise anything presumably?
[02:51] <Lathiat> Riddell: you need it for anything
[02:51] <Lathiat> to advertise or browse
[02:52] <Lathiat> there is an option to turn off advertising by default but that doesnt satisfy the whole no open port thing
[02:52] <Riddell> so when you say not installing avahi-daemon works fine that's not really the case :)
[02:52] <Lathiat> Riddell: it works jsut as well as not starting it by default when installed ?
[02:52] <Riddell> why doesn't it satisfy no open ports?
[02:52] <Lathiat> because avahi listens on a port
[02:52] <Lathiat> if its started
[02:52] <Lathiat> (the daemon)
[02:53] <Lathiat> and ubuntu policy is not to listen on any port in default config
[02:53] <Riddell> yep
[02:53] <Lathiat> that said
[02:53] <Lathiat> the libc resolver listens on a port when in use
[02:53] <Lathiat> so you know :P)
[02:53] <Lathiat> -P
[02:55] <Riddell> it's probably easier to code the kcontrol module to edit /etc/defaults/avahi-daemon than to install avahi-daemon is my thinking
[02:55] <Lathiat> well
[02:55] <Lathiat> yes
[02:55] <Lathiat> let me change the package now
[02:55] <Lathiat> will have to ask ross & slomo what they think
[02:55] <Lathiat> and it has the disadvantage of installing avahi-daemon meaning it doesnt work
[02:57] <Riddell> can have a postinst saying "edit /etc/defaults/avahi-daemon to turn on"
[02:57] <Lathiat> or on boot like some other things do
[02:57] <Lathiat> rsync daemon ex
[02:58] <Lathiat> hrm
[02:59] <Lathiat> i dont know how to ask the rules file to install an extra file in /etc/defaults
[02:59] <Lathiat> CDBS styles?
[02:59] <Riddell> edit the .install file
[02:59] <Lathiat> ah
[02:59] <Lathiat> and just add it
[02:59] <Lathiat> how do i specify the place to put it?
[03:00] <Riddell> debian/avahi-daemon.defaults debian/avahi-daemon/etc/defaults/avahi-daemon
[03:00] <Riddell> or something
[03:00] <Lathiat> yeh i think so
[03:00] <Lathiat> or just etc/
[03:00] <Lathiat> maybe
[03:00] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:01] <Riddell> freeflying_: scim 1.4.4 looks fine, uploading
[03:02] <freeflying_> Riddell: nice
[03:24] <\sh> Riddell: swfdec 0.3.6 building
[03:24] <\sh> and it has a lot of pointer to integer of different size warnings...shame on upstream
[03:31] <JakubS> Riddell: is libkdnssd-avahi folded into kdelibs4c2a package now?
[03:32] <\sh> Riddell: uploaded
[03:33] <Riddell> JakubS: yes
[03:34] <JakubS> then kdnssd package should now have libkdnssd-avahi as dependence
[03:34] <JakubS> s/now/not/
[03:34] <Riddell> JakubS: correct :)
[03:34] <Riddell> but the new kdenetwork is waiting on the new kdelibs
[03:37] <\sh> Riddell: brrr..why didn't you tell me that swfdec is main
[03:38] <Riddell> umm, I didn't know, does it matter?
[03:38] <Riddell> I just saw that a new version was out
[03:38] <\sh> if it breaks yes :)
[03:38] <\sh> I will be blamed :) but anyways...new versions are good :)
[03:38] <Riddell> and it's fine to break universe of course :)
[03:38] <JakubS> btw: i checked kwin4 and it can publish/find games on LAN no problems
[03:39] <\sh> Riddell: yes, but not main :)
[03:39] <Riddell> JakubS: ok, maybe I'm being silly, I'll try again once I've sorted out these KDE packages
[03:41] <JakubS> and mateedit freezes completely when trying to create session, no idea why
[03:43] <sealne> Riddell: is http the only way to get kubuntu.org/packages/* ?
[03:47] <Riddell> sealne: yes
[03:47] <Riddell> how else would you like?
[03:47] <sealne> rsync?
[03:48] <\sh> via apt?
[03:48] <\sh> there is an apt-rsync?
[03:48] <Riddell> \sh: apt talks http
[03:48] <sealne> nah to make a local mirror
[03:48] <\sh> Riddell: that's what I know :)
[03:48] <sealne> and ofcourse ftp
[03:48] <\sh> sealne: oh...wget in mirror mode?
[03:49] <sealne> which is nasty and leaves crap lying around
[03:49] <Riddell> sealne: I don't really have any way of settings that up but most of the packages are also on ftp.kde.org which is mirrored on mirrorservice.org which does have rsync
[03:49] <sealne> k
[03:49] <Riddell> but more delay that way
[03:50] <sealne> better than it used to be, i rember mirror had 2 year old versions of samba
[04:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: that jingle&unsermake issue: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/502428
[04:02] <Riddell> Tm_T: it needs -I.. set or something
[04:02] <Riddell> Tm_T: is the code in SVN?
[04:03] <Tm_T> yes
[04:04] <Tm_T> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Jabber+Jingle
[04:04] <jjesse> Riddell: for the docs we should remove any reference to bugzilla but what is the best link to submit a kubuntu specific bug?
[04:05] <Riddell> yes, good point.  https://launchpad.net/malone
[04:05] <jjesse> Riddell: do i need to reference a specific distro? like https://launchpad.net/malone/distro/XXXX or just use https://launchpad.net/malone/distro/ubuntu
[04:06] <jjesse> where XXXX is kubuntu or is there not a distro for kubuntu?
[04:06] <Riddell> kubuntu is the same as ubuntu as far as malone knows I think
[04:08] <jjesse> when does flight3 come out?
[04:10] <Riddell> jjesse: tomorrow possibly
[04:11] <jjesse> Riddell: are the updated release notes going in there?  is there any i need to update for flight3?
[04:12] <Riddell> hmm, I should do a kubuntu-docs upload should I?
[04:12] <Riddell> you could add that zeroconf support and CJK are in, although neither is really tested
[04:18] <jjesse> Riddell: anything else that should be added to the release notes?
[04:19] <Riddell> jjesse: I think that's all for now
[04:46] <tvo> hmm, that right-click menu on konqui searchbar has never worked I think
[04:48] <hunger> Is zeroconf enabled in kubuntu now?
[04:48] <Riddell> hunger: I just uploaded kdebase and kdenetwork so cross your fingers that that'll compile OK and it will in a couple of hours
[04:49] <hunger> Riddell: Ah! I saw something about it when updating kdelibs and was wondering why konqui does not understand "zeroconf:/"
[04:49] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks for enlightening me once again.
[04:50] <Riddell> hunger: yeah, you need kdnssd which isn't installable until the new kdenetwork is in
[04:50] <Tm_T> :)
[04:50] <hunger> Riddell: Will that be part of dapper's kubuntu install?
[05:12] <poimen> hello
[05:12] <poimen> :)
[05:14] <poimen> Riddell hello
[05:16] <Riddell> hello poimen
[05:16] <poimen> Riddell : I got dapper flight installed and I did apt-get upgrade and downloaded 300mb of new sofware now I am doing the same :)
[05:16] <Riddell> awooga
[05:16] <poimen> lol
[05:16] <poimen> today kubuntu is broken too?
[05:17] <poimen> nevermind I am just finishing this 20mb download to install all the software
[05:34] <poimen> hum. anoting bug in my machine in kde
[05:35] <Riddell> what's that?
[05:35] <poimen> I get 8 monted icons of /dev/hdb drive in the desktop lol and I dont even have a cd in the drive
[05:35] <poimen> also I get a /dev/hda icon showing it mounted
[05:35] <poimen> also I dont have any cd in the drive
[05:36] <poimen> let see if I can delet them via konsole because I cant with the gui
[05:36] <poimen> nope I cant
[05:39] <poimen> kde mount it like this media:/hdb7   media:/hdb6 media:/hdb5   etc...  when I put a cd in I click on any icon and I get to the same files
[05:39] <poimen> strange thing
[05:41] <poimen> lol and If I want to eject a cd a I have to give the eject comand to all the 8 icons
[05:41] <poimen> lol
[06:25] <nlindblad> Riddell: sorry
[06:25] <Riddell> nlindblad: hmm?
[06:26] <nlindblad> marked it invalid
[06:26] <Riddell> nlindblad: oh that's fine, nobody harmed
[06:28] <\sh> so...psi-0.10 is just finished to be ready for the archives
[06:30] <\sh> Riddell: do we get kde-3.5.1 before the 19th?
[06:31] <\sh> January 20th, 2006: Tagging KDE 3.5.1
[06:32] <\sh> well..I think we can get it in
[06:33] <Tm_T> :)
[06:41] <Riddell> nlindblad: don't be put off :)
[06:42] <nlindblad> Riddell: I won't
[06:43] <bobesponja> Riddell: [posted on #kubuntu]   i don't know if it's too late for drapper but please consider using showimg instead of gwenview, it's really has nice features see http://www.jalix.org/projects/showimg/
[06:43] <Tm_T> gwenview just works
[06:44] <Riddell> showimg doesn't even compile
[06:44] <Tm_T> hehe
[06:44] <bobesponja> Riddell: there's a new version out today
[06:45] <Riddell> bobesponja: oh cool, are you able to see if it compiles with dapper?
[06:46] <bobesponja> Riddell: sure, it does on my sid, i'll tell you about drapper
[06:46] <bobesponja> I'm gonna try now
[06:47] <trappist> showimg does look pretty sweet.  looks like my gimv would look if it were pretty.
[06:48] <bobesponja> trappist: it is really sweet
[06:48] <bobesponja> :)
[06:49] <bobesponja> it can also use kipi plugins
[06:49] <bobesponja> but I think gwenview too
[08:00] <allee> bobesponja: yes, showimg, gwenview and digikam, kimdaba use kipi-plugins
[08:34] <\sh> wow...jim is thinking about applying a 2004 patch towards pykde...because I discussed again to loud
[08:34] <Riddell> go \sh  :)
[08:35] <\sh> well...I mentioned that kubuntu is shipping pykde in their main repositories and even the great kubuntu leader is coding with pykde :)
[08:35] <\sh> great kubuntu leader != sabdfl
[08:36] <Riddell> hmm?  who's that then?
[08:37] <\sh> who else then you :)
[08:37] <Riddell> oh, him :)
[08:38] <Riddell> yeah, pykde rocks
[08:38] <Tm_T> yeah, he is king
[08:38] <Tm_T> ...you mean me?! :O
[08:38] <apokryphos> kubuntu dedication to pykde -- perfect, my plan to convert my brother is developing.
[08:38] <\sh> hmm...what about starting a discussion on kde-devel with the topic "kde development cycle should match kubuntus release cycle"...and as argument "if you don't follow our rules, we will switch to gnome"
[08:38] <\sh> hehehe
[08:39] <Tm_T> \sh: yeah!
[08:39] <\sh> dum dum de dum kubuntu de dum dum kubuntu :)
[08:40] <apokryphos> a kubuntu theme tune; perfect.
[08:40] <Tm_T> \sh: whoooops
[08:40] <\sh> apokryphos: actually it's the ubuntu thought crime song :)
[08:41] <apokryphos> ok, back to the piano/drums to develop a unique kubuntu one then
[08:41] <Tm_T> \sh: well, response was mostly just "lol"... people doesn't takee us seriously, how's your gnome installing is going on?
[08:41] <Tm_T> -e
[08:41] <Tm_T> I'm about to finish it
[08:42] <\sh> Tm_T: hehe :)
[08:42] <Tm_T> hey, don't laugh! gnome isn't fun
[08:42] <\sh> Tm_T: I have all three desktop environments on my laptop..so I can switch quite easily
[08:42] <Riddell> three?
[08:42] <\sh> gnome, kde, xfce
[08:43] <Tm_T> yeah, but now you can't use kde anymore, it was your idea!
[08:43] <\sh> Tm_T: actually I know this would never happen in the near future..:)
[08:44] <Tm_T> haha
[08:44] <Tm_T> damn, why I'm using gnome then?  I need coffee ->
[08:54] <nlindblad> Tm_T: you're gay?
[08:54] <Riddell> you'd never get away with this sort of conversation in #ubuntu-devel
[08:54] <\sh> nlindblad: who is not gay? :)
[08:55] <nlindblad> Riddell: shouldn't _all_ feature requests go through launchpad?
[08:56] <Riddell> nlindblad: major feature requests should be a spec on launchpad, packages for inclusion to MOTU, other stuff can be wishlist beastie items
[08:57] <nlindblad> I see
[08:57] <nlindblad> so thunderbird being compiled with other options shouldn't go to launchpad but stay in bugzilla?
[08:58] <Riddell> yes, that's a wishlist beastie
[08:58] <nlindblad> right
[08:58] <nlindblad> damn, got it wrong twice today
[08:59] <Tm_T> nlindblad: nope, but I do have twisted sense humour
[08:59] <Tm_T> +of
[08:59] <nlindblad> Tm_T: okey, good to know
[08:59] <Tm_T> so don't try me ;)
[08:59] <Riddell> motu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting
[09:00] <\sh> nlindblad: until tomorrow :)
[09:00] <nlindblad> motu?
[09:00] <\sh> yes
[09:00] <nlindblad> means?
[09:01] <Tm_T> masters of the universe
[09:01] <nlindblad> okey
[09:01] <Riddell> nlindblad: the community that looks after all the universe packages
[09:01] <Tm_T> err, how that sounds he-man -like
[09:01] <Riddell> Tm_T: I think that's the idea :)
[09:01] <Tm_T> aye
[09:01] <Tm_T> I think too
[09:02] <Tm_T> but... nevermind, you haven't seen it
[09:06] <nlindblad> maybe I'm to dumb to handle bug reports
[09:09] <Riddell> nlindblad: why?  you do good
[09:10] <nlindblad> hmm, maybe I'll get more experienced in time
[09:10] <nlindblad> s/in time/the more time I spend/
[09:11] <Riddell> yes, do lots more!
[09:19] <Tm_T> hehe
[09:19] <Tm_T> work harder! *whip*
[09:24] <nlindblad> Tm_T: okey, will do
[09:24] <nlindblad> a little tired this evening
[09:24] <nlindblad> got home an hour later than usually
[09:25] <nlindblad> because when I came to the bus terminal the bus that I should switch to wasn't there
[09:25] <nlindblad> it had engine problems
[09:28] <Tm_T> I pushde 15min big van from icy parking lot
[09:28] <Tm_T> it was +1 when it was parked, -1 when it was supposed to move
[09:29] <Tm_T> glad I'm big and strong
[09:29] <Tm_T> like 53kg ;)
[09:29] <Tm_T> anyway gone ->
[10:47] <hunger> Riddell: zeroconf seams to work for me... nothing to see since this is the only box on my lan, but konqui displays an empty page when doing zeroconf:/ now.
[10:47] <Riddell> hunger: use kpf to publish something and it should show up
[10:48] <hunger> Riddell: Aehmmm... how?
[10:49] <Riddell> hunger: add public fileshare applet to kicker
[10:50] <Riddell> it's a kicker applet
[10:50] <hunger> It is listed... but when I try to access the server my panel crashes.
[10:51] <hunger> So zeroconf seems to work... but kpf doesen't:-(
[10:55] <Riddell> hum, that's not good
[10:57] <trappist> kpf doesn't have an executable
[10:57] <hunger> Riddell: What I find way more annoying is that ksysguard does not do cpufreq info anymor.
[10:58] <hunger> Riddell: It gives the max frequency all the time! scaling_cur_freq is definitly lower.
[11:03] <hunger> Riddell: Hmmm... ksysguardd is rather oldish... doesen't use /sys but some file in proc. I think that just does not contain the necessary info anymore:-(
[11:13] <bobesponja> I'm trying to compile showimg but I get an error  about libXft.la, it doesn't exists
[11:14] <bobesponja> and grep libXft.la /usr/lib/*.la return many files
[11:14] <bobesponja> but i installed all the dev libs and it's still not there
[11:14] <bobesponja> anybody know what's the problem?
[11:15] <allee> bobesponja: yep the .la files was in breezy but is now no longer in dapper
[11:15] <allee> is your system updated from breezy to dapper?
[11:15] <Riddell> bobesponja: use a dapper chroot
[11:15] <Riddell> or use dapper
[11:15] <bobesponja> Riddell: I use a drapper
[11:15] <bobesponja> Riddell: I installed from the iso
[11:15] <bobesponja> the drapper iso
[11:16] <bobesponja> Dapper Drake Flight 2
[11:16] <Riddell> grep libXft.la /usr/lib/*la
[11:17] <hunger> Riddell: Bah, ksysguard is seriously rotten! It does not even know /sys yet!
[11:17] <bobesponja> Riddell: yep, that's what I did and it looks like many kde app still depends on it
[11:18] <bobesponja> in drapper
[11:18] <Riddell> very few here
[11:18] <Riddell> use a chroot then
[11:19] <bobesponja> Riddell: chroot into what?
[11:19] <Riddell> your chroot :)
[11:19] <Riddell> see DebootstrapChroot
[11:19] <allee> bobesponja: for all makefiles: grep LIB_ Makefile.am | grep lXft
[11:20] <bobesponja> allee: nothing
[11:21] <allee> bobesponja: if you find noting then one of the build deps brings it in:  Not sure how to fix it then
[11:21] <allee> ah, grep for _LIB too ;)
[11:24] <bobesponja> allee: still nothing
[11:24] <bobesponja> wait
[11:25] <Riddell> longest MOTU meeting ever...
[11:25] <bobesponja> nope still nothing
[11:26] <crimsun> Riddell: no kidding. I have to duck out for yet another meeting.
[11:27] <allee> bobesponja: sorry I ran out of idea.  what showimg version are you trying to build?
[11:27] <bobesponja> 0.95
[11:27] <allee> where can I download tar + diff?
[11:27] <bobesponja> I need to try the debootstrap I guess
[11:28] <bobesponja> allee: http://www.jalix.org/projects/showimg/download/0.9.5/showimg-0.9.5.tar.bz2
[11:30] <bobesponja> allee: tell me if you succeed :)
[11:32] <allee> bobesponja: me awaits 3 hours highway now.  I will have a look tomorrow.  Just wanted to make sure it's  that I have it on my disk before I leave.
[11:33] <bobesponja> allee: ok
[11:34] <bobesponja> allee: I'll bug you tomorrow then to know how it turned out :)
[11:34] <allee> bobesponja: mhmm I've to write 2 emails can't hurt to run debuild right now ...
[11:34] <bobesponja> allee: sure
[11:35] <hunger> If only malone wouldn't be so confusing!
[11:37] <hunger> ... and I assigned it to kubuntu team as well. I hope that is the proper team for this.
[11:38] <hunger> Good night!
[11:47] <allee> bobesponja: builds fine here: -rw-r--r-- 1 ach ach 3582880 2006-01-12 23:41 ../../showimg_0.9.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:48] <allee> bobesponja: I've also dapper from flight2.  Strange that I did not run into the same problem
[11:49] <bobesponja> allee: do you use universe?
[11:49] <bobesponja> allee: maybe that messes it up
[11:49] <allee> they, main restricted universe and multiverse
[11:50] <bobesponja> allee: well thanx, you can tell Riddell about it because he told me he would give it a try as a gwenview replacement if it compiles
[11:52] <bobesponja> allee: can you give me the command line to build the dep, i'd like to try
[11:52] <bobesponja> to build the deb
[11:52] <allee> digikam 0.8.1 rc1 debs for brezzy and dapper please test: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6QgnvR32.html
[11:52] <allee> breezy deb is just a pbuild.  so may not run at all.  Not tested.  have to go now
[11:53] <allee> bobesponja: unpacked 0.9.5 added <IP_ADDRESS> diff.gz debian dir and run : debuild
[11:53] <allee> bobesponja: no big magic ;)
[11:53] <bobesponja> :)
[11:53] <bobesponja> thx
[11:54] <allee> bye
[11:54] <bobesponja> good night


[15:41] <ceed^> Not able to install the ttf-mscorefonts-installer package on UbuntuGNOME 16.04. Get a lot of error messages and it fails. Any ideas what could be wrong?


[05:06] <pleia2> send off email for summary writers (early because I'm traveling this weekend)
[05:06] <pleia2> s/send/sent
[05:20] <bkerensa> hmm
[05:20] <bkerensa> pleia2: safe travels
[05:20] <bkerensa> :D
[05:21] <pleia2> thanks :)
[05:21] <pleia2> PHX airport at the moment
[05:21] <bkerensa> pleia2: how long of a layover?
[05:21] <bkerensa> fiancee is with you or solo?
[05:22] <pleia2> little over an hour, boarding in 20 minutes though
[05:22] <pleia2> fiance is with me, we're heading to philly to see his family
[05:22] <bkerensa> oh
[05:22] <bkerensa> Nice
[05:22] <bkerensa> Its always sunny in philadelphia I hear ;p
[05:22] <pleia2> hah
[05:23]  * bkerensa is spending his weekend working on Doc Work Item
[05:23] <bkerensa> =o
[05:23] <bkerensa> maybe get some Sushi too :)


[14:37] <beantaxi> jbg: Thank you for the answer the other day. May I ask you to clarify what you mean by 'set the cloud config from terraform'? I'm looking to work terraform into the mix but I'm trying to figur eout how
[14:39] <minimal> beantaxi: you're creating the VM from terraform? then you can specify user-data at that time for cloud-init to use
[14:40] <beantaxi> minimal: I'm not using terraform at all ... I'm doing all the resource creation (in Azure) through bash. But I'd get more buy-in if I used terraform so I'm curious as to how it would fit in. So terraform has a user-data section for VM creation? That sounds promising
[14:41] <blackboxsw> minimal: if you hadn't seen already 22.3.1 with the network_state MAC address fixes was released Friday https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/release-of-22-3-1/30385 . Releases are downloadable at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/releases
[14:41] <beantaxi> jbg also mentioned a yamlencode() function ... I assume that implies I would need to write my cloud config as yaml (right now it's bash), but then I'd be all set?
[14:42] <minimal> blackboxsw: yeah I've got it locally packaged for Alpine already, just dealing with an unrelated Alpine issue before I raise an MR for the updated package ;-)
[14:46] <minimal> beantaxi: from a very quick look it seems that when using the azurerm_linux_virtual_machine resource you specific the user-data in the "custom_data" value
[14:46] <minimal> beantaxi: currently how are you provisioning on the cli? using az?
[14:47] <minimal> beantaxi: as an example, look at https://www.phillipsj.net/posts/cloud-init-with-terraform/  and search for "custom_data = "
[14:49] <beantaxi> minimal: Yes, lots of az calls. I've been a bit hesitant to start using terraform, because I was concerned I'd hit some limitation of the terraform azure stuff and I'd need to use az anyway
[14:53] <minimal> beantaxi: so "az vm create" has a "--custom-data" option which I assume is the equivalent method for passing user-daa
[14:55] <minimal> beantaxi: indeed this is examplained here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/linux/using-cloud-init
[14:57] <beantaxi> Yes, that's correct. az vm create allows for a file, which is nice, whereas I don't see in a terraform data-block where I can refer to a file; it looks like I have to inline data. But I could easily be missing something.
[15:00] <beantaxi> I'm successfully using --custom-data with az now. And I can see where I could roll some sort of variable substitution, with sed or something, and convert $REPO_NAME$ to my_great_repo etc before passing a cloud-config file to the az call. But I wanted to see if there was already a very well-accepted way of doing that before I started DIYing it
[15:01] <beantaxi> Thanks very much for the links btw, esp the terraform link. Now I feel like I know how I'd get started, if I want to bring in terraform
[15:08] <beantaxi> Alternately, I could put my `cloud-init devel` hat back on, and look at adding something, if folks have suggestions on a preferred tool or templating technology, eg jinja
[15:12] <minimal> beantaxi: you mean templating of what is pass as user-data? rather than templated user-data being passed in (which I believe cloud-init can handle via Jinja)
[15:41] <beantaxi> minimal: From what I've read -- but admittedly might not understand -- there is jinja template support but only for instance data. I couldn't figure out if I could customize instance data with my own values, but even if I could, I'm not sure I'd want to do that
[15:43] <beantaxi> As it seems like an indirect way of doing what I want, which is just to replace a few variables in a config at VM creation time. Among other things I'd prefer to have a copy of the actual cloud config -- the one actually used for instance creation -- as an artifact
[15:51] <minimal> beantaxi: so if you decide to use terraform then use its templating? if you stick with shell then use one of the various methods of templating (jinja cli, gomplate, etc)
[16:00] <beantaxi> minimal: That's what it's sounding like. The terraform approach sounds like a bit of a non-starter, since it appears it only supports
[16:01] <beantaxi> inlined data in cloud-config yaml format
[16:06] <beantaxi> So if I wanted something more flexible, it looks like I'd be better off starting with the cloud-init CLI, to produce the cloud config I want. Hopefully terraform will not make me copy/paste the result into a yaml -- I don't know much about terraform data sources etc but hopefully there's a way to refer to a file
[16:16] <minimal> beantaxi: why do you need the cloud-init cli to create cloud config (user-data?)? I create mine in a text editor, its just YAML
[17:55] <beantaxi> minimal: Currently I do the same ... I'm thinking of enhancing the cloud-init cli to do something like (cloud-config.sh.jinja, .env) => cloud-config.sh, where jinja is used to generate the output file from a template, which I believe could either be .yaml or .sh and would work fine either way
[17:57] <beantaxi> And .env could be optional -- in its absence it'd use envvars, assuming it's easy enough to invoke jinja with envvars as parameters
[18:22] <minimal> beantaxi: how would that work? you'd have to install cloud-init on a machine just to use the cli to generate user-data files for other machines?
[20:46] <beantaxi> minimal: That is a concern. Some time ago, I recall some talk about cloud-init devel being broken out on its own, for cases such as these, ie help with cloud config creation. If that never happened, perhaps installing cloud-init to do all this isn't that appealing, vs the alternative


[01:17] <rikai> Hooray for sky2 causing cpu softlocks. :)
[01:33] <zul> hey
[07:38] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[07:38] <BenC> fabione: yo
[07:38] <fabbione> BenC: hey dude.. it looks like .20-3-* did drop the obppath patches from davem and me?
[07:39] <fabbione> fabbione@vultus5:/sys$ find . -name "*obp*"
[07:39] <fabbione> fabbione@vultus5:/sys$
[07:39] <BenC> I didn't drop any patches
[07:39] <BenC> they got pulled in git, I didn't revert anything
[07:39] <fabbione> WTF
[07:39] <fabbione> and git pull is slow to death as usual
[07:41] <fabbione> this is so fucking annoying
[07:42] <BenC> where did I pull that from?
[07:42] <fabbione> davem
[07:42] <fabbione> he did push it directly to hera
[07:42] <fabbione> or master
[07:42] <fabbione> can't remember
[07:42] <fabbione> i am still pulling git
[07:42] <fabbione> it will take a while as usual
[07:43] <BenC> sparc-2.6.21?
[07:43] <fabbione> yes
[07:44] <BenC> looks like they were never in my tree, but I just pulled it
[07:46] <fabbione> but...
[07:46] <fabbione> but...
[07:46] <fabbione> remote: aborting due to possible repository corruption on the remote side.
[07:46] <fabbione> fatal: early EOF
[07:46] <fabbione> fatal: unpack-objects died with error code 128
[07:46] <fabbione> Fetch failure: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git
[07:46] <fabbione> screw git
[07:47] <fabbione> BenC: can you upload a kernel with these 2 patches pleasE?
[07:47] <fabbione> i really need to finish silo-installer changes ASAP
[07:49] <fabbione> it would be ok for me if i can have the debs builded by monday morning
[07:49] <fabbione> so i can just upload a d-i to catch up the new kernel
[08:18] <fabbione> BenC: it's strange tho.. the whole_disk attr is there
[08:18] <fabbione> and it was coming from sparc-2.6.21 too
[08:18] <fabbione> so it seems only one is missing
[11:25] <fabbione> BenC: i double checked.. the one for the whole_disk is already in. we are missing only the one for the obppath in sysfs
[01:43] <Keybuk> why doesn't the linux-meta version match the kernel ABI version?
[01:44] <Mithrandir> is there a reason why it should, really?
[01:49] <Keybuk> sanity? :p
[01:53] <fabbione> -ENOSUCHTHINGHERE
[04:29] <zul> hiho
[04:30] <kylem> morning
[04:34] <zul> how is it going kylem
[04:34] <kylem> slow
[04:34] <kylem> didn't sleep well, having a hard time focusing
[04:34] <zul> lay off the coffeee :)
[04:37] <zul> i was going crazy for a sec
[05:12] <zul> muhahha...xen 3.0.4 ported to 2.6.19
[05:18] <_MMA_> Hi BenC.
[05:18] <_MMA_>  joejaxx is getting together the metas for Ubuntu Studio. We are wondering what makes better sense?
[05:18] <_MMA_> To use -lowlatency in our base install or make it a depend of our -audio package?
[05:22] <cjwatson> _MMA_: generally it's best to teach base-installer to install it
[05:22] <cjwatson> _MMA_: you might need to tweak base-installer a bit, and then see how the server CDs do it with preseeding
[05:25] <_MMA_> Ok. Sounds good.
[05:29] <Keybuk> BenC: ping
[05:30] <BenC> Keybuk: ponger
[05:30] <Keybuk> BenC: is there any particular reason why linux-meta for the 2.6.20-4.6 kernel is <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:30] <Keybuk> ?
[05:31] <BenC> Keybuk: I didn't start uploading linux-meta for 2.6.20 until 2.6.20-2
[05:31] <Keybuk> ok
[05:31] <Keybuk> so just an odd inconsistency then :p
[05:31] <Keybuk> there's no LRM for 4.6 yet?
[05:31] <BenC> there should be
[05:31] <BenC> I uploaded it
[05:31] <Keybuk> hmm
[05:31] <Keybuk>  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (<IP_ADDRESS>-5) feisty; urgency=low
[05:31] <Keybuk>  .
[05:31] <Keybuk>    * ABI bump for 2.6.20-4.5.
[05:32] <BenC> that should work for -4.6, same ABI
[05:32] <Keybuk> i386 build of linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 <IP_ADDRESS>-5 in ubuntu feisty RELEASE
[05:32] <Keybuk> Status: 	Dependency wait
[05:32] <Keybuk> Missing Dependencies: 	linux-headers-2.6.20-4-lowlatency
[05:32] <BenC> i386 is in dep-wait
[05:32] <BenC> fuck
[05:32] <BenC> Mithrandir: ping
[05:33] <cjwatson> kylem: we do need to be extra-careful about that extra dapper-security change - I don't want there to be more bugs linked to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-update-qa
[05:34] <BenC> cjwatson: I have another dapper kernel patch that I'd like to get an exception on
[05:34] <cjwatson> (because then mdz would kick my ass for saying yes)
[05:34] <BenC> it's actually pretty serious, and is one of those cases where things are broken now, and it can only get better
[05:34] <cjwatson> BenC: is -updates particularly clogged for the kernel at the moment? 'cos I'd prefer to speed that up rather than having too many exceptions via -security
[05:34] <kylem> cjwatson, -updates contains a *lot* of patches, which is why it's taking so long for me to upload
[05:35] <BenC> cjwatson: We never take the kernel from -updates to -security directly
[05:35] <cjwatson> I know
[05:35] <BenC> we process each patch separately
[05:35] <BenC> ok
[05:36] <cjwatson> BenC: I've promoted the -lowlatency stuff
[05:36] <BenC> cjwatson: Plus patches like bug 57265 are causing "cannot install" issues
[05:36] <BenC> cjwatson: Thanks, only the headers needed promoting, not the actual images
[05:36] <cjwatson> the images were due for promotion according to anastacia though?
[05:36] <cjwatson> "cannot install" issues won't be resolved until the next point release anyway
[05:36] <BenC> promotion to main?
[05:37] <cjwatson> yes
[05:37] <cjwatson> so I'm not concerned about fast-tracking installation breakages through -security
[05:38] <cjwatson> images/lowlatency> if that's wrong, please remove linux-image-lowlatency from the supported seed
[05:38] <BenC> cjwatson: There's a special reason for this one though..installation is fixed outside of our control, and putting it in -security will help existing installs
[05:38] <cjwatson> if they can't install due to a busted disk driver, they won't be able to get far enough to upgrade to the fixed kernel, though?
[05:39] <cjwatson> unless you mean upgrades from breezy
[05:39] <BenC> no, I mean a vendor is creating fixed kernels for their customers, and I want -security updates to not break them
[05:40] <BenC> cjwatson: let me forward an email to you
[05:40] <cjwatson> oh, there's an actual vendor involved?
[05:42] <cjwatson> ok, if you're very sure that that return code is correct (I haven't looked at the call stack context), then I guess it's not too bad
[05:42] <BenC> cjwatson: It matches edgy+, which is the only reason I would consider it...this is an upstream patch
[05:45] <BenC> cjwatson: BTW, who requested promoting -lowlatency to main?
[05:46] <BenC> I didn't want it there, because I wanted to be able to just close bugs on lowlatency that aren't reproducible on -generic
[05:46] <BenC> I said from the start that it would not be supported by me
[05:47] <cjwatson> BenC: check bzr annotate for the supported seed?
[05:47] <cjwatson> BenC: I've demoted linux-image-*lowlatency again
[05:50] <cjwatson> BenC: ok, that patch is fine for fast-tracking
[05:53] <BenC> cjwatson: thanks
[05:56] <cjwatson> oh, I see; supported has:
[05:56] <cjwatson>  * %linux-meta
[05:56] <cjwatson> which takes everything from the linux-meta source
[05:57] <cjwatson> we may need to stop doing that :(
[05:57] <cjwatson> and it also has linux-image-debug-*
[05:58] <BenC> yeah, debug and lowlatency images can go in universe
[06:09] <BenC> cjwatson: amd64 and i386 l-r-m went back to dep-wait
[06:11] <cjwatson> BenC: yeah, they should auto-retry after this publisher run
[06:12] <BenC> ok, thanks
[06:45] <Mithrandir> BenC: hi
[06:52] <BenC> Mithrandir: sorry, unping...Colins got it for me
[06:52] <BenC> Colin I mean
[08:27] <BenC> Mithrandir: Ok if I do another kernel upload before Monday?
[08:29] <Mithrandir> BenC: if you nag me or another archive admin so it's in and everything's built by monday, sure.
[08:29] <BenC> Mithrandir: great, thanks
[09:27] <Lure> BenC: is bug 74877 supposed to be fixed in 2.6.20-4? It is not for me (tried it from KDE as well as from console/recovery mode)... :-(
[10:01] <Lure> it looks like fedora 7 will have tickless kernel - any plans regarding this in ubuntu?
[10:44] <BenC> Lure: When it's in mainline kernel, we'll have it
[10:46] <palancar> hello all, i have a quick q about edgy's kernel
[10:47] <palancar> i heard a rumor that ubuntu was going to be adding a low latency pro audio engine in the kernel by default, anyone know if this is true
[10:47] <palancar> ?
[10:50] <gnomefreak> palancar: there is a lowlatency kernel
[10:50] <palancar> do you know if it is built into edgy?
[10:50] <palancar> thanks btw
[10:51] <cjwatson> palancar: no, only feisty, and not by default
[10:51] <palancar> ahhh ok thanks for the info i'll go look that up
[10:51] <palancar> cheers
[11:03] <BenC> "low latency pro audo engine"?
[11:05] <Lure> BenC: I have added some ideas in bug 74877 - I may be completely off though ;-)
[11:17] <lifeless> BenC: around ?
[11:18] <lifeless> I've had a weird thing start happening just from yesterday
[11:20] <lifeless> BenC: I've had my machine suddenly power off with no warning, and my keyboard will stop responding or do various whacky things like inserting ' `' after every character. I haven't dropped or otherwise abused my hardware, so I'm wondering if theres any kernel changes that could be related.
[11:21] <lifeless> I managed to grab /var/log/messages output after one incident, by sshing in when the keyboard was non responsive, and hibernating/resuming it, but it was not enlightening for me.
[11:21] <lifeless> BenC: any thoughts ? worth filing a bug, or should I complain to Dell about hardware ?


[01:12] <jeffrash> Users can't click on icons either are you going to remove them?
[02:12] <jkd> I found a bug in Nux: NuxGraphics/XInputWindow.cpp, XInputWindow::GetStrutsData
[02:12] <jkd>          /* right */
[02:12] <jkd> -        data[1] = (screenWidth - 1) - geometry_.y;
[02:12] <jkd> +        data[1] = (screenWidth - 1) - geometry_.x;
[02:13] <jkd> How do I go about committing this change?
[10:03] <rye> jkd: if the question is still valid, it's just creating a bug report, branching nux, making fix, proposing the merge
[10:03] <rye> jkd: and yes, nux is used by unity
[10:03] <rye> jkd: or you may wait for Unity people to appear here as I am from a completely different team
[12:44] <Tak> is there a place to read about the hud?
[13:32] <jo-erlend> is there a simple way to get the dominant colour in Unity? That is, the one that's used for dash, launcher background, etc?
[16:50] <splnet> I want to customize how  an application is launched in Unity (add a flag). How do I modify the menu on the left hand side?
[16:53] <drussell> splnet: http://askubuntu.com/questions/13758/how-can-i-edit-create-new-launcher-items-in-unity-by-hand
[16:53] <drussell> splnet: scroll to nearly half way down
[16:53] <drussell> splnet: and look for the heading "For 11.10 and newer:"
[16:54] <splnet> drussell: so that will create a launcher on the desktop. Does that let me modify the items on the Unity menu?
[16:55] <drussell> splnet: you then drag the launcher on the desktop to the unity menu
[16:55] <splnet> drussell: ok cool
[17:00] <jkd> anybody around that's familiar with cairo?
[17:01] <jkd> i'm wondering if there's an easy way to flip a path horizontally without writing two code paths (one normal, one flipped)
[17:02] <JanC> splnet: I would suggest using the explanation at http://askubuntu.com/a/68023/935
[17:05] <splnet> JanC: ok I think thats the same link
[17:05] <JanC> splnet: it's on the same page yes
[17:06] <JanC> but other answer
[17:09] <splnet> I'm using gvim and every once in a while I run into huge redraw issues. Where the screen does not redraw. Any ideas what could cause this?
[17:09] <splnet> I was assuming this was an issue with the video card driver. But now I'm not so sure
[18:04] <tgm4883> Is there any way for a scope/lens to see when the application that was opened via unity is closed?
[18:05] <davidcalle> tgm4883, well, you can check from the lens if the process still exists.
[18:05] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:06] <tgm4883> davidcalle, so specifically, this is regarding the videos lens and the mythtv scope
[18:06] <davidcalle> tgm4883, for example, you can trigger this check when the lens is opened.
[18:07] <tgm4883> davidcalle, so what I am trying to do, is once a show has been watched, I need to mark the show as watched in mythtv
[18:07] <tgm4883> I haven't fully determined how to figure out if the show was watched or not though since the video player isn't going to give me any info on that
[18:08] <tgm4883> but if I can see that the video player was closed after we opened it, and if we kept some info about the recording that was playing, and if I knew how long it was open vs how long the recording was
[18:08] <tgm4883> then I could mark it as recorded
[18:09] <davidcalle> tgm4883, you could ask Zeitgeist. When something is being watched in Totem, it knows about it. But I don't know if Zeitgeist knows when Totem is closed.
[18:10] <tgm4883> is there somewhere that shows what zeitgeist knows about the file it totem?
[18:10] <tgm4883> such as progress?
[18:10] <tgm4883> cause it would make way more sense if I could just mark it watched at 80%
[18:11] <tgm4883> alot better than the hacked together approach I was thinking
[18:11] <davidcalle> tgm4883, progress won't be available, I'm affraid.
[18:11] <tgm4883> :/
[18:11] <davidcalle> tgm4883, but let me check. There is a program on Launchpad that allows to see in real time what's happening in Zg.
[18:11] <tgm4883> davidcalle, thanks
[18:16] <gord> tgm4883, there is a plugin (installed by default, but not activated) in totem that exposes movie playing/progress information on dbus via mpris
[18:18] <tgm4883> gord, that would be good to use
[18:18] <tgm4883> I'm trying not to depend on a certain video player
[18:20] <davidcalle> tgm4883, Zeitgeist registers Totem opened/focused and closed/unfocused, with the name of the files involved and timestamps. But that won't be enough to figure out what you need and it's Totem specific.
[18:21] <tgm4883> davidcalle, yea, if I could get the user to activate that plugin (or if there was a way to activate it programatically) then I could have a checkbox in the settings UI for marking it watched
[18:22] <tgm4883> and only have that work if the player is totem
[18:22] <tgm4883> I'm assuming that is the "D-Bus Service" plugin
[19:50] <foudfou> hi all, my app tries to catch the minimize event on different WMs by 1. catching the Unmap event, 2. checking _NET_WM_STATE_HIDDEN
[19:50] <foudfou> this works well on most WMs, but on compiz (Ubuntu), the Unmap event seems not to be issued
[22:21] <Donut_> Hi, I just upgraded to 12.04 and I'm pretty upset. Is there any way to get the old launcher behaviour back? On my 12" laptop it is the nicest thing to have if the launcher dodges windows but is present when there are only small windows on screen. Am I the only one who doesn't like this 'feature'
[22:22] <Daekdroom> Donut_, Officially, there is no way to get that behaviour back
[22:23] <Donut_> I tried this deb package from 'web upd 8', but it is not smooth enough. It's not more than a work around...
[22:23] <Donut_> But thanks for the answer anyway :-)
[22:33] <Donut> For anybody who is interested in getting back the 'old' launcher back: I found this great peace of work: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Unity-ReplaceDodgeWindowsBehavior
[22:34] <Donut> ouch... piece of work...
[23:22] <Will123456> hey guys. has anyone noticed the maximise-button-wonders-off-sometimes bug?
[23:22] <Will123456> i've just realised i can reproduce it
[23:23] <Will123456> steps: 1. make sure the dash is maximised, then close it (not 'unmaximise' it)
[23:23] <Will123456> 2. unity --replace & disown
[23:23] <Will123456> 3. open dash (now maximised) and then click the unmaximise button. it should shift out of place slightly
[23:24] <Will123456> it shouldn't happen again until you do unity --replace. is anyone else seeing this? i'm using an nvidia card with the binary blob
[23:41] <zgreg> Will123456: I remember seeing this once
[23:41] <zgreg> Will123456: the button wandered to the left, overlapping the close button
[23:42] <zgreg> that is with an intel gma 950
[23:47] <Will123456> zgreg: exactly, yeah
[23:47] <Will123456> that's what i'm referring to
[23:47] <Will123456> zgreg: i'm using unity 5.12 (enabled the proposed repository) and I can recreate it every time with those steps
[23:48] <zgreg> same here
[23:48] <zgreg> well, so it's probably not an issue with drivers or the like
[23:48] <Will123456> zgreg: yeah, that's what i'm thinking. can you reproduce it reliably with the steps I posted? if not then it could be something specific I've got configured...
[23:49] <Will123456> thanks for confirming it affects you too :) glad i'm not going mad :P
[23:55] <zgreg> Will123456: I was able to reproduce it just like you said
[23:55] <zgreg> it's not just the button, there's quite a bit more that looks broken
[23:56] <Will123456> zgreg: what else are you seeing that looks broken?
[23:56] <zgreg> the dash blur doesn't update correctly
[23:57] <Will123456> zgreg: in what way? if you have moving stuff underneath it, or? i'm going to see if I can see what you're seeing
[23:57] <Will123456> (you see)
[23:57] <zgreg> well, it doesn't actually blur :)
[23:57] <zgreg> I can post a screenshot in a moment
[23:59] <zgreg> btw I can reproduce this issue with the guest account, too


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[00:42] <Anusien> !help
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[00:42] <Anusien> !help samba
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[00:42] <Anusien> !samba
[00:42] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about samba
[02:15] <fuxxy> What's the difference between the "Desktop" and "Alternate" x64 images?
[02:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> alternate is the text based installer
[02:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> use the desktop unless you have a reason otherwise
[02:19] <fuxxy> rhpot1991_laptop, ok, thanks.
[03:47] <twitchnln> greetings
[03:50] <twitchnln> i would like to implement "remote passthru" to allow me to use my crapcast on demand via my frontend, i already have the blaster working on the backend.. how difficult would it be to have the frontend relay the crapcast remote to the blaster?
[03:52] <hads> How would you differentiate what you want to send to myth and what you want to send to your STB?
[03:52] <hads> Or do you have seperate remotes?
[03:54] <twitchnln> i put my stb in a different room with the backend
[03:55] <twitchnln> i'm actually trying to figure out how i can pass my comcrap remote thru to the backend so i can take advantage of on demand
[03:56] <hads> Yes I gathered that from when you said 'i would like to implement "remote passthru" to allow me to use my crapcast on demand via my frontend'
[03:56] <hads> THen I said "How would you differentiate what you want to send to myth and what you want to send to your STB?"
[03:56] <twitchnln> sorry... yes seperate remotes
[03:56] <hads> :)
[03:57] <twitchnln> burned out here...
[03:58] <hads> I don't think there is a way to do it from within myth at all.
[03:58] <hads> You would probably be able to do it with a bit of hacking though.
[03:59] <twitchnln> yeah, thats what i figured...
[03:59] <twitchnln> i was just hoping to get around cat'ing the buttons on the comcast remote and putting them into the lirc conf file
[03:59] <hads> I know lirc has some network stuff built in but I've not used it so don't know if it will do that.
[04:00] <twitchnln> i was unaware that lirc was network aware
[04:01] <hads> Yeah; http://www.lirc.org/html/lircd.html
[04:07] <twitchnln> if i set it up client/server like that, wouldn't everything be piped out the server? including the remote that changes the frontend? or would myth still catch that?
[04:10] <hads> As I said I've not tried it.
[04:10] <rhpot1991_laptop> perhaps you can have irexec execute some sort of blaster script
[04:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> video delay is gonna kill you though
[04:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> just get netflix, its easier
[04:11] <twitchnln> yeah.... i know
[04:11] <hads> Yeah, that's probably what I would do, irexec a script via the network to the backend where it does an irsend. I thought lirc may have something built in though.
[04:12]  * rhpot1991_laptop gets bluefish to pretend asp is html, and is happy about it
[04:12] <rhpot1991_laptop> doing that would work to get you on the on demand, but its gonna be a pain to navigate with the delay
[04:13] <hads> Oh for sure.
[04:13] <rhpot1991_laptop> IMO you'd be better off trying firewire and having the box hooked up to a TV, my STBs will pump video to firewire and hdmi at the same time
[04:13] <rhpot1991_laptop> then you can navigate get your video ready and do a manual record
[04:13] <hads> I have a script that does a couple of things for when silly Sky bring up parental lock screens etc.
[04:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> provided you can get the channel with firewire
[04:14] <twitchnln> my box is the most low budget stb i've ever seen... it's near as small as the modem
[04:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> I generally get fed up with sillyness and just find it on netflix, encryption on dvds are much easier to work with than encryption on stbs
[04:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> twitchnln: ah, those are old and don't have firewire cause they are SD only
[04:15] <twitchnln> correct
[04:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> you can upgrade to HD and get a good one
[04:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> or yell at them and tell them they are required by FCC to provide you with firewire for OTA channels
[04:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> good luck with that :)
[04:16] <rhpot1991_laptop> my comcast treats me like I am a terrorist when I ask for a specific STB
[04:16] <twitchnln> slave tuner... i have a one hd box already, on pinnacle i800... then i have the sd box plugged to pvr350.. and analog to pvr150
[04:17] <rhpot1991_laptop> the motorolla boxes generally work well with firewire
[04:17] <rhpot1991_laptop> if you get one that was made in the firewire age
[04:17] <rhpot1991_laptop> but encryption is hit or miss depending on your area
[04:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> I think the ones capable of HD are more to rent as well though, I am pretty sure you could just request a HD box and say you don't want to pay anymore for any new channels
[04:21]  * rhpot1991_laptop goes to make some more tea
[04:22] <fuxxy> I've never done wifi with linux before, I'm planning on trying this out real quick as a livecd frontend.. How would I get wireless networking working?
[04:23] <hads> I'm not sure if mythbuntu has network manager by default, I assume so. Boot it up and see what happens
[04:24] <fuxxy> Will it boot into the frontend, or a desktop?
[04:24] <Chaorain> I'm having some problems with my tv tunner
[04:24] <fuxxy> Chaorain, have you tried kicking it?
[04:25] <Chaorain> it has bad sound on analog and does not work on digital
[04:25] <Chaorain> lol
[04:25] <fuxxy> What card is it?
[04:25] <Chaorain> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_(800i)
[04:26] <fuxxy> Chaorain, what kernel version?
[04:26] <Chaorain> I installed the firmware and the v4l-dvb too
[04:26] <Chaorain> um
[04:26] <fuxxy> Chaorain, uname -a
[04:26] <Chaorain> Is there a way to minimise mythtv dvd rip?
[04:27] <Chaorain> nvm
[04:27] <twitchnln> back usually works or esc on kb
[04:27] <fuxxy> Chaorain, doubt it, I just log in using ssh
[04:27] <fuxxy> Chaorain, how much was the card? It seems interesting.
[04:28] <hads> fuxxy: Not used the live disk, I think XFCE
[04:28] <Chaorain> 2.6.27-9-generic
[04:28] <Chaorain> it was a while ago I think $80
[04:29] <fuxxy> rebooting
[04:33] <rhpot1991_laptop> Chaorain: you can exit it and it keeps running
[04:34] <Chaorain> oh right thats the backend not the front end
[04:34] <Chaorain> thats cool
[04:35] <hads> Na it's frontend
[04:35] <Chaorain> I ment the process of riping is backend
[04:35] <hads> It's not :)
[04:40] <Chaorain> so does anyone know whats wrong?
[04:49] <sabhain> !chroot
[04:49] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about chroot
[05:27] <z4chh> i recently installed a haupaugge pvr-150 after a mythbuntu installation...the probe of the card detected it fine and seemed to load everything (drivers and device creation)..but when i go into mythtv Tv->system settings, i see "Tuner 1 [MPEG: /dev/video0] is unavailable"
[12:54] <slaine_> Hey guys
[12:54] <slaine_> I've got an 8.04 Mythbuntu setup on a Via CLE266 based box with a PVR-500 analogue card for tv capture. Any issues likely for me with an Upgrade to 8.10 ?
[16:17] <Guest68008> hi all my tv is capable of doing 1360 x 768 but when i try and set it to that res it fails
[16:50] <sabhain> anyone ever see this chroot error: "id: cannot find name for group ID 124" .. .? Trying to chroot into diskless image.  Seems to be a permissions / ownership thing?
[17:12] <sabhain> Ok .. so I think maybe I'm stumbling onto something.  In my core backend, the mythtv group is #124.  In the i386 image, it is 115 .. could it be that the groups mismatch is causing a problem?
[17:22] <sabhain> but if I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/group to match (just making the mythtv group  = 124), it let's me in the chroot.
[17:28] <sabhain> or maybe I was in all along? .. I'm confused ..
[18:03] <neofax> I upgraded my system and decided to use the alpha1 version of Jaunty Mythbuntu.  Now I cannot record on the first tuner of my PVR-500.
[18:06] <tgm4883_laptop> !logs | neofax
[18:06] <Zinn> neofax: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/
[18:06] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin | neofax
[18:06] <Zinn> neofax: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[18:08] <neofax> Here is my backend log: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m7eedb914
[18:10] <neofax> I have not used the frontend yet on the mythbuntu server.  I pretty much just use my other system to connect to the backend.
[18:10] <tgm4883_laptop> neofax, post some logs using mythbuntu-log-grabber
[18:11] <neofax> Can I do that from the pc I am at now using the mythfrontend?
[18:11] <tgm4883_laptop> no, from the backend
[18:12] <tgm4883_laptop> I want more logs from the backend
[18:12] <tgm4883_laptop> You might be able to do it from another computer over ssh
[18:13] <neofax> The previous pastebin is from the server backend which I sshed into.  I will go to the system itself and send the link. brb
[18:15] <tgm4883_laptop> neofax, I got the link, I just want more logs.  MLogG will give me the relevent info I think
[18:15] <tgm4883_laptop> !logs
[18:15] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use Mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[18:16] <neofax> Here is the new log pastebin: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f3ad4d2f5
[18:20] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, I'm not seeing anything wrong in these logs :(
[18:21] <tgm4883_laptop> is mythweb still showing both tuners?
[18:21] <neofax> Mythweb allows me to select either tuner, but for some reason tuner1 raises a conflict.
[18:23] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, lets see the logs from your frontend machine
[18:23] <neofax> I think this may have to do with the similar problem I had before where my cx88 tuner card would change /dev/videoX positions on each reboot.  However, I did not have that problem on mythbuntu 8.04.
[18:23] <neofax> Here are the frontend logs:  http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f1c614586
[18:25] <tgm4883_laptop> very odd.  I'd try readding the tuners in mythtv-setup
[18:26] <neofax> Is there a way to add in the modules file to force the cx88 card to say /dev/video2?
[18:28] <neofax> Found it!  Just ned to add options cx8800 video_nr=2 and it should work.  Then I can reboot and re-run mythtv-setup and that should fix it.
[18:32] <neofax> Thanks for the help!  Now just to figure out how to add the wether maps for my area, Philadelphia, to mythweb and the frontends.
[18:56] <richard1901> hi all
[18:56] <jphillip> I hope you are 107 years old
[18:57] <richard1901> can any onr tell me hoe i can change my monitor settings is there an app or somthing
[18:57] <richard1901> nearly 1008
[18:57] <jphillip> heh
[18:57] <richard1901> errr 1008
[18:57] <richard1901> dAMIT SEE SO OLD CAN'T TYPE
[18:57] <richard1901> see
[18:58] <jphillip> richard1901 nvidia/ati/something else?
[18:58] <richard1901> nvidia but the settings manager fails to set correct res
[18:58] <richard1901> trying to get 1360x768
[18:59] <richard1901> i think it hasn't got my monitor setup correctly
[18:59] <richard1901> how do i change settings
[18:59] <jphillip> let me dig for a minute
[18:59] <jphillip> !pastebin
[18:59] <Zinn> when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[18:59] <richard1901> k cheers
[19:00] <richard1901> sorry
[19:02] <jphillip> richard1901 http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m70dbd84d
[19:02] <jphillip> you will have to do research on your tv, but I get 1360x768 with this
[19:03] <jphillip> in theory it should be able to auto detect, but some TVs don't send the propper EDID info and sometimes some vga cable don't transmit it correctly either
[19:03] <richard1901> will it break if i use your xorg.conf?
[19:03] <jphillip> this is the big thing you need: Option          "ModeValidation"        "NoWidthAlignmentCheck"# Important!!! need this option to use nvidia card at 1366 x 768
[19:03] <jphillip> richard1901 I would back your current one up first
[19:03] <jphillip> then start picking pieces of mine and plugging them in
[19:03] <richard1901> cheers
[19:04] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, using someone elses modeline isn't a good idea
[19:06] <jphillip> tgm4883_laptop well if he just gets rid of the width validation it may all fall into place, the problem is that 1366x768 isn't a standard res
[19:06] <jphillip> so it gets rejected then xorg defaults to 1024x768 or something
[19:07] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[19:22] <neofax> For the 1360x768 resolution, there is no need for the modeline or the mode validation.  Just set the UseEdid to false and you may want to force the dpi to 96.  I currently run this on my 40" Samsung LCD TV as that is the intended resolution for this LCD.
[19:23] <neofax> Here is my Xorg.conf file:  http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d7e65fd90
[19:24] <jphillip> neofax your sammy should do EDID well
[19:24] <jphillip> mine does
[19:25] <jphillip> also you want dpi 100x100 for mythtv
[19:26] <jphillip> and you are 1360x768, the screen res for a lot of tv's is actually 1366x768 which is where the problems come from
[19:26] <jphillip> but yes, going with 1360x768 is easier to work with if you don't want to hack up your xorg
[19:26] <neofax> 1360x768 is what he asked for.
[19:27] <jphillip> neofax you are right, my appologies
[19:28] <jphillip> I'd still say to check the manufacturers info on the TV as I've seen most of them at 1366
[19:41] <candrews> what init script starts the mythtv interface on mythbuntu?
[19:46] <laga> candrews: are you talking about mythfrontend?
[19:46] <sabhain> laga, I need to disable the splash screen on the diskless boot to determine where it is hanging .. am I correct to change the languange in pxelinux.cfg/default?
[19:46] <candrews> laga right, on mythbuntu, what starts mythfrontend?
[19:48] <laga> sabhain: language? remove "splash quiet"
[19:48] <laga> or add "nosplash"
[19:48] <laga> candrews: gdm and xfce
[19:48] <laga> AFAIR
[19:49] <candrews> ah gdm does it. i should have guessed that!
[19:49] <laga> GDM starts the X session which starts the frontend
[20:56] <sabhain> laga, is that in the right file: pxelinux.cfg/default?
[20:56] <laga> sabhain: it's a relative path.
[20:59] <sabhain> /opt/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg?
[21:00] <laga> it's in /var/lib/tftpboot/.. but it gets overwritten every time you run ltsp-update-kernels IIRC
[21:00] <laga> it's been a while
[21:00] <hads> Yeah, that's right
[21:03] <sabhain> thanks .. I feel that I'm on the brink of getting the diskless setup running .. but it's dumping me to an initramfs prompt after a few seconds of the splash and a black screen w/ cursor
[21:04] <sabhain> with full notes / documentation of the process to follow swiftly thereafter of course
[21:05] <laga> that'd be appreciated
[21:05] <sabhain> on a related note .. what is supposed to be the owner of the pxelinux.0 stuff in tftboot?  Root?  Mythtv?
[21:06] <laga> root probably, or nobody
[21:06] <hads> Yeah root
[21:07] <hads> That's what you're running update-ltsp-* as
[21:07] <laga> hads: scary that you know that stuff better than i do :)
[21:08] <hads> I'm sure I don't, I just spent a bit of time messing around with it :)
[21:08] <sabhain> ok .. because i needed to chown it to nobody before the PXE boot would go.  With it set to root, it would come back as "permission denied" .
[21:08] <sabhain> I was trying lots of stuff at the time, so I'll go back and retry on a clean install after it all worked, but I had a heck of a time getting the PXE thing going .. and that was somewhat of a factor in my setup
[21:08] <hads> Interesting, mines all root.
[21:12] <sabhain> hads, any issues in running chroot where it returns an error that group name isn't found?  On my backend the mythtv group is 124, but on the diskless image it's 115 .. does that matter?
[21:14] <hads> Shouldn't matter AFAIK, once you have chroot then your shell doesn't care about the parent systems users.
[21:18] <Buster_Hymen> hi, i'm wondering how i can get a program to auto-start when the system boots.  The sessions manager doesn't seem to have those options like in gnome
[21:19] <Buster_Hymen> any ideas?