[12:00] <NoUse> gnomefreak p
[12:00] <Zoo> Acer Aspire 3610 Series, I would like to be able to be on wireless networks... I would be really happy, other things I can do. just really eh
[12:00] <NoUse> gnomefreak np
[12:00] <zcat[1] > mick: or nano /etc/X11/xserver.conf
[12:00] <mick> zcat[1] , what does that do?
[12:00] <Zoo> well, I know when I did a test, of . Alpha flight, it was ready to configure my wireless network, but since I didnt' have a dam access point ready, it didn't do it.. >_<
[12:00] <zcat[1] > reconfigures X for you..
[12:00] <mitsuhiko> does anybody know how i can move the X11 screen 4px left?
[12:00] <zcat[1] > It's a little safer than editing the config by hand usually
[12:01] <mitsuhiko> my notebook displays the visible area a bit wrong :(
[12:01] <Zoo> btw, Ubuntu, needs to give the user, the option during install what services to turn on, what to stop :P
[12:01] <Zoo> lol
[12:01] <Zoo> well. .us laptop users need to team up :P
[12:01] <Lenny1729> Hi there, has anybody managed to get quicktime 7 movies to work in firefox?
[12:01] <Zoo> I go to a college, so gettin other support. Enterprise wide, I could start up,
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Zoo: it does if you use the right installer ;)
[12:01] <Zoo> lmao
[12:01] <Zoo> bs :P
[12:02] <Zoo> expert probably lol
[12:02] <Zoo> :P
[12:02] <jeff303> Lenny1729, they work for me sometimes
[12:02] <Zoo> how ya been gnomefreak ;)
[12:02] <anacelia> hi
[12:02] <g0dchild> is it possible to write to ntfs safely on ubuntu?
[12:02] <Zoo> I better, not enter alot, I migth get told from the half way, 1% of Artificial Intelligence Hee
[12:02] <slvmchn> what program do i use to burn ISO's onto cd?
[12:02] <Zoo> bot* :P
[12:03] <g0dchild> if so, whats the upgrade i'd need? dapper or the kernel?
[12:03] <mneptok> g0dchild: you're better off installing the ext3 driver for Windows
[12:03] <gnomefreak> slvmchn: in windows or ubuntu?
[12:03] <slvmchn> gnomefreak: ubuntu
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> slvmchn: nautilus
[12:03] <Lenny1729> jeff303, does http://www.isnichwahr.de/redirect10321.html  work for you?
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> right click on a .iso and burn
[12:03] <Zoo> hey, when I did my custom, ReiserFS 4, I found out rough time with ubuntu :P
[12:03] <slvmchn> oh snap
[12:03] <g0dchild> mneptok, i use reiserfs
[12:03] <Zoo> must not be ReiserFS 4 ready yet :P
[12:03] <gnomefreak> slvmchn: you can use gnomebaker or k3b   k3b imho is easiest
[12:03] <mneptok> g0dchild: eeeek!
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> gnomefreak: nautilus :)
[12:03] <Zoo> oh?
[12:03] <g0dchild> is that a bad thing?
[12:03] <Lenny1729> slvmchn or you use graveman
[12:04] <gnomefreak> mitsuhiko: that too but i have heard people having issues with it
[12:04] <g0dchild> heh
[12:04] <Zoo> I don't think the kernel is all compatible, eh
[12:04] <eod_punk> nickrud: thanks for the grub help
[12:04] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[12:04] <Zoo> at least for, the ubuntu breezy badger build ;)
[12:04] <mitsuhiko> gnomefreak: yeah. but fewer issues than using graveman :)
[12:04] <jeff303> Lenny1729, do you have a direct link to the mov?
[12:04] <mneptok> g0dchild: IMO, yes. ReiserFS does not work as well as advertised, and there are far more toold for ext2/3 than Reiser
[12:04] <Zoo> however, it might jsut be my experience
[12:04] <mitsuhiko> (or gnomebaker)
[12:04] <jeff303> Lenny1729, it seems their popup thingie is not firefox compatible
[12:04] <Zoo> hee
[12:04] <Zoo> mneptok:  , in time eh :)
[12:05] <mneptok> ahoy Zoo
[12:05] <mitsuhiko> never had an issue
[12:05] <Zoo> you guys not going kick me out again are ya.. :)
[12:05] <Lenny1729> jeff303, http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac_ads1/viruses_480x376.mov
[12:05] <g0dchild> mneptok, hmm...guess I am a victim then...i switched to it believing that file creation was faster for reiserfs
[12:05] <Zoo> ubuntu, suppose to be humanity to others now.. ;)
[12:05] <cap_> I would like to profile the kernel with oprofile, and this being my first ubuntu install I can't seem to find a way to get a vmlinux file (short of rebuilding a kernel of my own...) any ideas?
[12:05] <high-freq> Zoo: u havein probs wit wireless?  me 2...join the club..hehe
[12:05] <Zoo> hee
[12:06] <Zoo> not on Windows XP Pro, or Vista :P
[12:06] <leagris> Hi all
[12:06] <nickrud> eod_punk, np
[12:06] <mneptok> g0dchild: acutually, according to benchmarks i trust XFS is fastest. but that's of little importance if you don;t have recovery tools.
[12:06] <Zoo> however, Vista is a complete waste of my time though, I use Windows XP Professional, for my 3d CAD Modeling software, graphics etc, Rhino3d, maxon, and my dj software,
[12:06] <high-freq> ya...know what u mean...i have mine detected but it aint gettin an ip from my wireless router which is unsecured right now
[12:06] <imonkey> do i need to install a driver because i have a LCD?
[12:06] <Zoo> oh and, 1 of my favorite, peer to peer's, I'm a part of, Filetopia
[12:06] <g0dchild> mneptok, there's the reiserfsprogs
[12:06] <leagris> What is best suitable to authenticate against WinDC? pam_winbind or pam_krb5?
[12:06] <Zoo> ah
[12:07] <Zoo> so, your seeing the light blink?
[12:07] <Zoo> o_O
[12:07] <slvmchn> my problem nautilus is having is it tells me to put in a blank cd when there's already one in there
[12:07] <high-freq> no mines a builtin wireless
[12:07] <Zoo> mine too
[12:07] <high-freq> i have no light on this HP
[12:07] <Zoo> I also..took apart this 2wire, for dSl, and got a pcmcia out of it hee,
[12:07] <nickrud> imonkey, not for the lcd, but you might need to ensure you're using the right driver for your chip, and set the HorizSync & VertRrefresh in xorg.conf, and if you're using an 855 or 915 or the like use a utility
[12:07] <jeff303> Lenny1729, nope that one doesn't open for me, but others have
[12:07] <mneptok> g0dchild: yes, but no Reiser driver for other platforms. and the toolset for ext* is much deeper than for any other FS.
[12:07] <slvmchn> do i need to tell nautilus which drive to use?
[12:08] <Zoo> but I doubt its more powerful than, my, Mobile Intel 910GML Express chipset with integrated graphics; 802.11b/g WLAN
[12:08] <jeff303> !tell Lenny1729 about restricted
[12:08] <high-freq> ya ;)
[12:08] <gnomefreak> slvmchn: its installed with gnome
[12:08] <imonkey> nickrud: oke thanks ill look it up
[12:08] <mneptok> g0dchild: FS choices are often a matter of preference that degrades into religion. bear in mind all this is only my opinion.
[12:08] <MrMaDSeN> jeff303: thnx.. but how do i actually make a new selection in reconfigure locales... cant get that little star "thingy" to move
[12:08] <teimu> when i ssh into a box, will all my internet related operations go thru that?
[12:08] <Lenny1729> jeff303, i have installed libquicktime and w32codecs
[12:08] <Zoo> however, my cousin, is a network engineer, and he told me get a belkin pre n, however, this guy, who runs Slackware, I know, wel, aquanitance, he said, get an orinica, something
[12:08] <Zoo> :)
[12:08] <chaos_of_apocaly> how do i close open ports in linux???
[12:08] <gnomefreak> slvmchn: naultilus is the file system manager for gnome
[12:08] <high-freq> i just can't seem to get an ip from dhcp or static
[12:08] <high-freq> so i dunno
[12:08] <jeff303> Lenny1729, well then I have no idea sorry
[12:08] <nickrud> imonkey, !fixres is a place to start looking for that info
[12:08] <nickrud> !fixres
[12:08] <ubotu> Help to fix the display resolution is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:08] <squiddle> chaos_of_apocaly  stop the service which is listening on it
[12:08] <Zoo> sad eh
[12:08] <high-freq> i dunno what i'm missing...i have the drivers set..and its in iwconfig
[12:09] <Zoo> looks like we need to team up eh
[12:09] <jeff303> MrMaDSeN, hmm... try selecting the star you want and pressing space
[12:09] <gnomefreak> chaos_of_apocaly: firestarter?
[12:09] <chaos_of_apocaly> no
[12:09] <jeff303> MrMaDSeN, that worked for me anyway
[12:09] <high-freq> hehe ;)
[12:09] <Zoo> my problem is, 2005 Acer Aspire 3610.. grrrrr
[12:09] <slvmchn> gnomefreak: i know all that but it asks for a blank cd when i give it one
[12:09] <chaos_of_apocaly> firestarter is afirewall isnt it??
[12:09] <slvmchn> i can burn audio cds with serpentine
[12:09] <high-freq> were there any drivers for it...or is it detecting?
[12:09] <chaos_of_apocaly> my process is   ipp
[12:09] <serp> stop hilighting me ;(
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Chousuke: no its a front end to iptables
[12:09] <Zoo> I test with multiple systems.. high-freq, I"m studhying, Artificial INtelligence in programming, so shouldn't be a dam reason I can't do linux
[12:09] <carmen__> hola
[12:09] <nickrud> chaos_of_apocaly, it's a firewall configurator
[12:09] <chaos_of_apocaly> ipp?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> !firestarter
[12:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter, which can be installed via synaptic.
[12:09] <Zoo> I been using linux systems, for over 2 years now, but just for different things..
[12:10] <Zoo> well. since spring of 2004 anyways
[12:10] <nickrud> chaos_of_apocaly, with some additional goodies, like showing you who's getting denied acces
[12:10] <high-freq> lol
[12:10] <chaos_of_apocaly> so its ok to be listening
[12:10] <Zoo> well I tell ya what we should do.. everyone do a vote on what distributions we should stop supporting , and which to through out :P
[12:10] <Zoo> minimize them.. geesh.. :P
[12:10] <high-freq> ya i've been on nix for awhile..but tryin ubuntu out..and well...i can't seem to get this to get an ip
[12:11] <Zoo> hee
[12:11] <mick> so, lets say i used vi to edit my xorg.config, how do you save / exit?
[12:11] <Zoo> well. in time , we both will get it m8
[12:11] <cap_> chaos_of_apocaly: ipp is the service not the process, right? if so then the process is cupsd, printing.. stop if it you're not dependent on it
[12:11] <nickrud> chaos_of_apocaly, no standard ubuntu service listens to the network by default; sudo netstat -tlp will show you what programs are listneing
[12:11] <high-freq> ya
[12:11] <squiddle> mick  ESC ESC :wq
[12:11] <jeff303> Zoo, umm I'm pretty sure the maintainers of those distros wouldn't care about your vote
[12:11] <bender_> i have a logitech quickcam fusion.. can some one please point me in the right direction for getting this thing to work?
[12:11] <Zoo> I had this.. TEch, he was running Slackware, trying to get it up , he said, ubuntu doesn't have alot of protocols installed, have to  configure alot of things for built in
[12:11] <high-freq> Zoo: is yours at least detecting?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Zoo: better asked in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:11] <awesometaylor> bender_ look for the linux usb devices site
[12:12] <Zoo> offtopic my tail :P
[12:12] <Zoo> I"m going call up.. Mark Shuttleworth ;)
[12:12] <high-freq> lol ;)
[12:12] <high-freq> me 2
[12:12] <awesometaylor> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/
[12:12] <bender_> thanks man lemme have a look
[12:12] <Zoo> 8-)
[12:12] <gnomefreak> Zoo: #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:12] <Zoo> hey don't post that for me, If I wanted to join there, I would :P
[12:12] <M3ATW0D> can anyone help me with ubuntu, sunray server, and gdm
[12:12] <Zoo> I"m tryin ask about, this pcmcia , and this, Mobile Intel 910GML Express chipset with integrated graphics; 802.11b/g WLAN
[12:13] <Zoo> hey,
[12:13] <Zoo> :(
[12:13] <gnomefreak> Zoo: #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:13] <HedgeMage> M3ATW0D: better to just ask your question... then we'll know if we can answer it :D
[12:13] <Zoo> for wireless support.. you guys are not making any sense
[12:13] <mick> squiddle, i get an error, "Hit ENTER or type command to continue
[12:13] <mick> [No write since last change]
[12:13] <mick> /bin/bash: wq: command not found
[12:13] <mick> shell returned 127
[12:13] <mick> "
[12:13] <gnomefreak> Zoo: read above what you asked
[12:13] <Zoo> on topic, it says, Official ubuntu Support Channel
[12:13] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell mick about pastebin
[12:13] <chaos_of_apocaly> so cupsd is a firewall service or not??
[12:14] <nickrud> chaos_of_apocaly, it's the printer service
[12:14] <carmen__> hola
[12:14] <HedgeMage> chaos_of_apocaly: cupsd is a print daemon
[12:14] <chaos_of_apocaly> how do i deactivate it
[12:14] <Zoo> oh, so now I"m somebody since I got kicked..
[12:14] <chaos_of_apocaly> how do i deactivate it
[12:14] <Zoo> lmao. I could go on so many different workstations at my college right now lmao @ u guys
[12:14] <gnomefreak> Zoo: the kick was a warning
[12:15] <Zoo> lol... let Mark Shuttleworth get ahold of you :P
[12:15] <nickrud> chaos_of_apocaly, for a onetime deactivation, sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys stop
[12:15] <Zoo> hey gnomefreak, thanks for living by, humanity towards others :P
[12:15] <Linuxking>   lol
[12:15] <Santiago_> Evening
[12:15] <gnomefreak> Zoo: #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:15] <Zoo> k
[12:15] <Santiago_> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[12:15] <squiddle> chaos_of_apocaly  cupsd is a printing service
[12:15] <Zoo> am I still welcomed here, once I get, ubuntu certified :P
[12:15] <Santiago_> I get when trying to start another session of X
[12:15] <chaos_of_apocaly> it never starts again rigt
[12:15] <squiddle> chaos_of_apocaly no
[12:16] <chaos_of_apocaly> ?
[12:16] <nickrud> chaos_of_apocaly, why would you want to stop your printer service anyway?
[12:16] <M3ATW0D> does anyone here have sunray server knowledge in ubuntu?
[12:16] <Zoo> hey high-freq, you got skype?
[12:16] <chaos_of_apocaly> i dont use it
[12:16] <cap_> chaos_of_apocaly: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys stop will stop it now, it will start again if configured to do so (next boot...)
[12:16] <squiddle> chaos_of_apocaly  to stop it from restarting you can use the services application
[12:16] <Zoo> hey chaos_of_apocaly, if you install sysv-rc-conf  you can take control of all the runlevels, servicing,
[12:17] <chaos_of_apocaly> how do i install that
[12:17] <chaos_of_apocaly> synaptic
[12:17] <chaos_of_apocaly> ?
[12:17] <squiddle> yes
[12:17] <hachre> hi
[12:17] <nickrud> chaos_of_apocaly, then, sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/S19cupsys /etc/rc2.d/K19cupsys (the move is so you can put it back and know what it should be when you do)
[12:17] <hachre> what's the name of the meta package installing the development tools (gcc, make etc)
[12:17] <chaos_of_apocaly> ok
[12:18] <nickrud> hachre, build-essential
[12:18] <hachre> thanks
[12:18] <gnomefreak> hachre: build-essential
[12:18] <MrKeuner> !help
[12:18] <high-freq> Zoo: lol...just goin over these howtos on wiki well....i done did all that and still not gettin ip
[12:18] <gnomefreak> MrKeuner: what do you need help with?
[12:18] <MrKeuner> I would like to remove GCJ
[12:18] <teimu> synaptic offers the openssh-client, which i have, but i want to get the server. however, when i mark it for install, it gives me an error that there is a version mismatch between these two packages. the client is 1:4.1p1-7ubuntu4 and the server is 1:4.1p1-7ubuntu4.1. synaptic does not offer matching versions for these two packages. what should i do?
[12:18] <jeff303> MrKeuner, do it through synaptic
[12:19] <gnomefreak> MrKeuner: why not just install java 1.5 and use that
[12:19] <nickrud> MrKeuner, you don't want to remove that at all
[12:19] <MrKeuner> gnomefreak/ I did
[12:19] <MrKeuner> but I would like to completely remove gcj
[12:19] <NetGeek> when I do sudo echo "force_on:0" > /proc/acpi/toshiba/fan, I get permission denined
[12:19] <gnomefreak> but im sure its not gonna go nicely
[12:19] <nickrud> MrKeuner, sudo update-alternatives --config java <-- does that give you a 1.5 choice
[12:19] <gnomefreak> NetGeek: sudo
[12:19] <mick> why is it that i can't make changes in gedit to xorg.conf, and in vi it won't let me save it?
[12:19] <MrKeuner> nickrud/ why would not I
[12:19] <NetGeek>  how can I set /proc, so I can change some settings by hand
[12:19] <carmen__> hola
[12:19] <chaos_of_apocaly> the initd directory is like the regedit key "run" in windows right????
[12:20] <NetGeek> I'm using sudo
[12:20] <NetGeek> bash: /proc/acpi/toshiba/fan: Permission denied
[12:20] <gnomefreak> thats bad
[12:20] <nickrud> MrKeuner, because it's the default support for a lot of stuff. You're in freeland now :)
[12:20] <gnomefreak> NetGeek: what happens with sudo apt-get update
[12:20] <cap_> chaos_of_apocaly: do as suggested, install sysv-rc-conf and run that tool
[12:20] <Minty> back, got iFi working
[12:20] <chaos_of_apocaly> ok i have already done it
[12:20] <chaos_of_apocaly> the initd directory is like the regedit key "run" in windows right????
[12:20] <Minty> *WiFi
[12:20] <chaos_of_apocaly> or not?
[12:20] <NetGeek> gnomefreak, no problems
[12:20] <jeff303> much as I love gcj, unfortunately it doesn't have a lot of stuff implemented correctly yet
[12:21] <cap_> chaos_of_apocaly: kind of, it contains information about what to start in which runlevels
[12:21] <MrKeuner> nickrud/ what does * mean and + mean in update-alternatives?
[12:21] <MrKeuner> * is sun + is GCJ
[12:21] <gnomefreak> * = default
[12:21] <bestial> hi
[12:21] <bestial> i have kubunut 6.06 dapper, and i have /var/log/ with 4Gb with this error: APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)
[12:21] <bestial> why?
[12:22] <hachre> Whats the name of the package I need to install to make "make menuconfig" work?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> + = just there
[12:22] <chaos_of_apocaly> ok thanks,another thing can you tell me how to configure my sound card?is a via
[12:22] <nickrud> chaos_of_apocaly, a quick primer on how ubuntu boots: After the kernel is run, it hands over control to the program init. Init runs /etc/rcS.d (a bunch of links into /etc/init.d/) then /etc/rc2.d (more links into /etc/init.d)
[12:22] <hachre> Must be a curses lib
[12:22] <lili> hola
[12:22] <chaos_of_apocaly> right
[12:22] <slackern> !es
[12:22] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:23] <mick> how do i make xorg.conf not read only?
[12:23] <lili> hola
[12:23] <nickrud> MrKeuner, * is default, + is what is currently selected
[12:23] <jeff303> mick, why?
[12:23] <gnomefreak> lili: dont change names and do the same stuff
[12:23] <chaos_of_apocaly> ok thanks,another thing can you tell me how to configure my sound card?is a via
[12:23] <mick> jeff303, so i can edit it
[12:23] <mick> jeff303, i want to get dual monitor set up
[12:23] <jeff303> mick, it's safer to just use sudo when you want to edit it
[12:24] <MrKeuner> nickrud/ default for a new user?
[12:24] <jeff303> "sudo gedit /whatever/xorg.conf"
[12:24] <mick> jeff303, explain sudo
[12:24] <MrKeuner> nickrud/ default for a newly added user?
[12:24] <lili> hola
[12:24] <jeff303> mick, it lets you run as root for a single command
[12:24] <mick> jeff303, ah
[12:24] <jeff303> mick, more secure that way
[12:24] <slackern> gnomefreak: oh it's carmen acting as lili :)
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:24] <nickrud> MrKeuner, no. Default as defined by the developers for systemwide. What you select is for all users.
[12:24] <bestial> can anyone help me with APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)?? I put noapic in grub but nothing
[12:24] <mick> jeff303,  so like "sudo gedit xorg.conf"?
[12:25] <jeff303> mick, yeah, of course you don't have to use gedit, you could use whatever editor you like
[12:25] <lili> hello
[12:25] <gnomefreak> lili: /join #ubuntu-es    for spanish
[12:25] <chaos_of_apocaly> can someone tell me how to configure my sound card?i cant hear a thing!!!
[12:25] <nickrud> MrKeuner, default for all users at all times
[12:25] <jeff303> mick, but prefacing the command with sudo will give you the temporary permissions you need to actually edit it
[12:25] <chaos_of_apocaly> via technologies
[12:25] <slackern> Hello lili how can we help you?
[12:25] <vinboy> hi
[12:26] <vinboy> how can I test my HD's performance?
[12:26] <mick> jeff303,  well, gedit is all i know right now, vi confuses the shit out of me
[12:26] <jeff303> mick, yeah it's a fun one to learn  :-)
[12:26] <slackern> vinboy: 'hdparm -tT /dev/HARDDRIVEDEVICE
[12:26] <munzir> Hi, how can I know the resolution of my monitor in xorg?
[12:26] <vinboy> thx slackern
[12:26] <nickrud> mick, I'd call you on language, except it's vi :)
[12:26] <MrKeuner> nickrud/ I am confused. If I select soemthing out of the three there, will it be the new default or new current?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> slackern: im getting to think troll
[12:26] <jeff303> nickrud, haha
[12:26] <vinboy> slackern: wat is -tT?
[12:26] <mick> nickrud, sorry, didn't realize i couldn't do that
[12:26] <slackern> vinboy: to test with harddrive cache ON and with cache OFF
[12:27] <vinboy> oh ok
[12:27] <vinboy> thx
[12:27] <vinboy> do I need to replace the T with anything?
[12:27] <nickrud> MrKeuner, when you select a java using update-alternatives, it changes it for all users at all times. It's a system-wide setting
[12:27] <deus> Any dappers here having problem with running the newest amarok version?
[12:27] <deus> It runs with root
[12:27] <deus> but not without
[12:27] <deus> it crashes
[12:27] <slackern> vinboy: sorry it should be 'sudo hdparm -tT /dev/hardrivedevice'
[12:27] <deus> complains about the mysql
[12:27] <gnomefreak> deus: dapper is supported in #ubuntu+1
[12:27] <vinboy> lol
[12:27] <vinboy> ok
[12:27] <vinboy> thx
[12:28] <vinboy> sorry for my misunderstanding
[12:28] <slackern> vinboy: you can run only -t or only -T and try it like that or -tT to test them both.
[12:28] <gnomefreak> is -t off and -T on?
[12:28] <nickrud> jeff303, I use vi(m), I feel his pain (or i did once)
[12:28] <vinboy> i see
[12:28] <vinboy> cool
[12:28] <squiddle> vinboy  please could you type just in one line? it is kind of disturbing
[12:28] <MrKeuner> nickrud/ gnomefreak thanks guys
[12:29] <jeff303> nickrud, yes I think I'm now past the point where having to type "i" to insert text is weird
[12:29] <slackern> vinboy:  -T   perform cache read timings  and  -t   perform device read timings
[12:30] <slackern> vinboy: or just use 'sudo hdparm --help' or 'man hdparm' for more information.
[12:30] <vinboy> ok thx
[12:30] <jeff303> does anyone know of a way to determine which processes are getting HD access?  After a fresh boot I keep getting infrequent accesses on the light but can't figure out what's doing it (no journaling fs)
[12:31] <slackern> jeff303: lsof (short for list open files) might help you?
[12:31] <mick> ok, so i made my edit to xorg.conf, restart to make the changes active?
[12:31] <ChickenFire> Hi folks!
[12:31] <jeff303> slackern, thanks for the tip
[12:31] <nickrud> mick, no reboot necessary. Did you make the change in a virtual console?
[12:32] <slackern> jeff303: there might be tons and tons of output though, so you might want to do  pipe it to less or grep.
[12:32] <mick> nickrud, i made the change in gedit called from a terminal window
[12:32] <nickrud> mick, the simplest way then is to make sure any programs you have open are closed & saved, then hit clt-alt-backspace
[12:35] <nickrud> !moo
[12:35] <ubotu> well, moo is moo
[12:35] <bender_> of course i have the ONE quick cam that isnt the EXACT supported one
[12:35] <siriusnova> if WoW would run on linux it would be aweseome
[12:35] <siriusnova> :(
[12:35] <nickrud> !wow
[12:35] <ubotu> methinks wow is To run WoW properly, Wine needs to be built from source https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorldofWarcraft and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingWineFromSource
[12:35] <gnomefreak> newly fixed ;)
[12:35] <siriusnova> yeah but it runs like crap nickrud
[12:35] <bender_> Logitech QuickCam Fusion... can some one please help me with this driver.. i cannot get this webcam to work... the system doesnt even associate it with /dev/video0
[12:36] <nickrud> I refuse to use wine (it won't run the ONE program I need)
[12:36] <Guest294> hey guys
[12:36] <nickrud> gnomefreak, the winehq ones aren't recent enough?
[12:36] <gnomefreak> nickrud: if i want window apps i would run windows ;)
[12:36] <Guest294> anybody know if i can get kde 3.x to run properly on a p3 500 mhz with 128 mb ram and 16 mb video card?
[12:37] <gnomefreak> ofcourse its not :( brb
[12:37] <nickrud> gnomefreak, when I want to run my one windows app, I run windows (and I turn off the modem)
[12:37] <senectus> I have a web link to a site that doesn't exists anymore, is there some way find an archive of that site ?
[12:37] <yak> hey, I'm having a problem with mplayer, when i go to full screen it doesn't actually resize the video, just the border.  anyone know how to fix this?
[12:37] <jeff303> nickrud, lol
[12:37] <jeff303> senectus, google for wayback machine
[12:37] <gnomefreak> senectus: what site?
[12:38] <nickrud> jeff303, there's a reason for that: I lost the xp install disk
[12:39] <senectus> perfect thatnsk for that jeff303
[12:39] <meisterwinter> so, back
[12:39] <senectus> gnomefreak, found it thanks
[12:39] <gnomefreak> nickrud: are you on breezy?
[12:39] <oklinux> how do I install java in ubuntu ?
[12:39] <jeff303> !java
[12:39] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[12:39] <nickrud> gnomefreak, currently.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> nickrud: what is latest version on breezy?
[12:40] <nickrud> 0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1  <-- gnomefreak
[12:40] <meisterwinter> gnomefreak, can u help me with gproftp?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> :(
[12:40] <nickrud> heh. winehq, I keep hearing about that place for ubuntu
[12:41] <oklinux> thanks jeff303
[12:41] <ENE|Toxic> How do I find out where my usb-harddrive is located in /dev/x? lsusb just tells what bus is active, and dmesg tells me "usb device found at 2" .. Not very informative.
[12:41] <Guest294> anybody know if i can get kde 3.x to run properly on a p3 500 mhz with 128 mb ram and 16 mb video card?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> meisterwinter: not really depends on what the issue is
[12:41] <nickrud> (<Tab> means press the Tab Key) In the directory where you downloaded the sun jre, type sudo aptitude install java-package && fakeroot make-jpkg jre<Tab> . When that's done, type sudo dpkg -i sun<Tab>
[12:41] <jeff303> oklinux, no problem, btw sun jdk 1.5 works GREAT
[12:41] <awesometaylor> Guest294:  look for system requirements
[12:42] <meisterwinter> i cant find gproftpd
[12:42] <ed_> anyone using athlon 64?
[12:42] <meisterwinter> and so, i cant start it
[12:42] <awesometaylor> Guest294  http://kde.org/info/requirements/
[12:43] <awesometaylor> well, i guess that page just shows software requirements
[12:44] <ChickenFire> Guest294: I just installes a PII 400Mhz 256MB RAM with kubuntu and KDE was fine.
[12:44] <ChickenFire> I removed all the eye-candies and animation toys.
[12:44] <ENE|Toxic> How do I find out where my usb-harddrive is located in /dev/x? lsusb just tells what bus is active, and dmesg tells me "usb device found at 2" .. Not very informative.
[12:45] <nagi> ed_ i've installed it on amd64
[12:45] <nickrud> Guest is gone, but don't recommend kde (or gnome) for anything less than 256mb on anything :(
[12:45] <ed_> nagi, firefox is flacky now
[12:45] <whyami> is there a way I can set up kde so I can choose gnome or kde from gdm? I have gnome right now...
[12:45] <nagi> i dont think so
[12:45] <ed_> whaley, its in gnome-session
[12:45] <nickrud> whyami, you should have that under the sessions options already
[12:45] <awesometaylor> i just read it should be able to run on a 300mhz 128mb ram  (for KDE 3.3)
[12:46] <nagi> firefox works well for me...
[12:46] <ChickenFire> mmg ENE|Toxic: type "sudo tail -f /var/log/messages" in a console, unplug and replug your hd and have a look
[12:46] <ed_> nagi, does it close if you go to www.nvidia.com
[12:46] <whyami> nickrud: don't I have to install kde first? If so, how do I do this?
[12:46] <ENE|Toxic> ChickenFire: ok, thanks :)
[12:46] <nickrud> awesometaylor, if you don't mind twiddling your thumbs regularly
[12:46] <nickrud> whyami, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[12:46] <nagi> i'll try
[12:46] <awesometaylor> yeah that whats i thought
[12:47] <nagi> no
[12:47] <ed_> you're lucky.
[12:47] <nagi> i downloaded ff  the latest
[12:47] <whyami> nickrud: thanks! I'm in the process right now...
[12:47] <nagi> the one im using
[12:48] <nagi> works well
[12:48] <ed_> are youusing breezy?
[12:48] <nagi> yes
[12:48] <nagi> (with the latest updates)
[12:49] <nagi> im using flashblocker on ff
[12:49] <mick> ok, lets call that failure/disater recovery #1
[12:50] <siimo> is ubuntu dapper going to support 386 machines still? seems like debian dropped support for 386's in etch
[12:50] <nagi> its name is flashblock
[12:50] <mick> jeff303, can you take a moment of your time and see if you can help me?
[12:50] <nickrud> siimo, troll?
[12:50] <jeff303> mick, sure but I don't know much about xorg.conf (never touched mine)
[12:50] <MetaMorfoziS> i need restart if i re enabled the hplip (hp printing and imaging services)?
[12:50] <nickrud> siimo, sorry, you're right, they're really 486 & up now
[12:50] <siimo> nickrud, haha very funny...
[12:50] <mick> jeff303, well, i am just folowing someone elses example
[12:50] <nagi> siimo : suppossedly yes
[12:51] <Apostle^> MetaMorfoziS: no
[12:51] <mick> jeff303, but i am more or less brand new to linux
[12:51] <MetaMorfoziS> Apostle^: i have connected an hp1100
[12:51] <MetaMorfoziS> via usb
[12:51] <jeff303> mick, I'll give it a shot, what's up
[12:51] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm in kcontrol, the peripherials and printer
[12:51] <MetaMorfoziS> it said "initializing..." for 10minutes ago
[12:52] <MetaMorfoziS> what i need?
[12:52] <MetaMorfoziS> to enable printing?
[12:52] <whyami> nickrud: is installing kde going to overwrite any settings for example in xorg.conf?
[12:52] <corey> anyone know a good wifi manager? ive tried wifi radar and kwifimanager and neither work for me
[12:52] <nickrud> whyami, no, xorg won't be affected
[12:53] <hachre_> hi
[12:53] <Zoo> high-freq: , see ya
[12:54] <RandolphCarter> anybody else having problems switching back to a vtt after loading Xorg with fglrx? (system hangs, so safe halts are impossible)
[12:54] <Zoo> I'm staying away from IRC< like I have been , no need to be around negative energy, I"m going out partying tonight, don't need to ruin my nite, :)
[12:54] <ddonky> anyone get their hp 8200 usb cd-writer working?
[12:54] <crimsun> ddonky: failed pretty horribly for me in hoary, breezy, and dapper.
[12:55] <ChickenFire> RandolphCarter: I had it on my laptop (Ati radeon mobility R250 card)
[12:55] <ChickenFire> I can recommand you the DRI open source driver "radeon". It is fine.
[12:55] <nickrud> heh. It's nice to have my distrust of usb validated :)
[12:55] <RandolphCarter> ChickenFire: find a solution (other than just using the radeon drivers?)
[12:55] <selinium> Hi all, Is there anyone around who can help me get my midi port working or suggest a good channel to pester?
[12:55] <RandolphCarter> ChickenFire: heh, true, but I've got an X800 and I wouldn't mind the glx extensions
[12:55] <crimsun> usb itself is fine, the 8200s are pretty craptacular
[12:55] <ddonky> crimsun - yeah, ive had NO luck with it. works fine with 2.4 kernel distros though
[12:56] <selinium> hi Seveas
[12:56] <selinium> :)
[12:56] <Seveas> quoi?
[12:56] <ChickenFire> RandolphCarter: I found no other solution than throwing this fglrx very far away and bury it.
[12:57] <ChickenFire> comment ca quoi?
[12:57] <Apostle^> ChickenFire: try using the ati prorprietary drivers
[12:57] <codecaine> hey any in here help me out with creating pattern matches in bluefish for syntax highlighting?
[12:57] <RandolphCarter> ChickenFire: :( I'll poke around, gotta be a framebuffer/xorg flag to pass
[12:57] <phoul> Excuse me
[12:57] <phoul> Im truying to use xnest and I cant seem to get it workin right
[12:57] <phoul> I wanna take a screenshot of my gdm
[12:57] <phoul> But I cant make it start gdm
[12:58] <RandolphCarter> tried running xnest :1 from the terminal?
[12:58] <phoul> I get gray
[12:58] <phoul> Thats all
[12:58] <phoul> Its like looking at static on a TV screen
[12:58] <phoul> kinda
[12:58] <Apostle^> thats an xorg problem i think
[12:58] <phoul> umm
[12:59] <phoul> Then how did other people do it
[12:59] <RandolphCarter> hmm, I see what you mean, using dapper beta 2 phoul?
[12:59] <Hubert> Hi
[12:59] <phoul> yes
[12:59] <RandolphCarter> just put b2 on and I've got the same problem - it's probably GDM security - gimme a sec
[12:59] <Hubert> Hi, i'm new to Linux in general I am currently on Unbuntu 5.10 ( Breezy ) can someone help me set up WineHQ on it?
[01:00] <Apostle^> !wine
[01:00] <Hubert> Hi, i'm new to Linux in general I am currently on Unbuntu 5.10 ( Breezy ) can someone help me set up WineHQ on it?
[01:00] <Hubert> Oh, hi. :)
[01:00] <hachre> Hubert: Wine sucks :)
[01:00] <Hubert> Can you help me set up WINeHQ?
[01:00] <Hubert> Well, I want to be able to run my Windows APPS on it.
[01:00] <hachre> Hubert: i recommend using windows for the programs you need it for and linux for the rest
[01:00] <Apostle^> i gave up on wine
[01:00] <Apostle^> i dualboot
[01:00] <hachre> Hubert: : it will never work
[01:00] <ChickenFire> Huber: which software do you want to run under winehq?
[01:00] <phoul> Apostle^, same lol
[01:01] <meisterwinter> huhu, what sould i do to start gproftp? that want i to know about 2 hours here, and the whole day
[01:01] <Apostle^> phoul: :-)
[01:01] <Hubert> But Windows has that STUPID WGA Check, and i'm not gonna buy their expensive software, i'm far to poor.
[01:01] <Apostle^> download the corporate edition
[01:01] <Hubert> That's what i'm usuing
[01:01] <phoul> rip off vista
[01:01] <phoul> XD
[01:01] <Hubert> ( MSDN ) Corprate
[01:01] <Apostle^> eww no
[01:01] <AnsiC> hellp
[01:01] <AnsiC> hello
[01:01] <nickrud> Hubert, search the net for help on your specific app under wine; wine sucks
[01:01] <AnsiC> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
[01:01] <Apostle^> XP is the best windows ver
[01:02] <Apostle^> vista is garbage
[01:02] <AnsiC> i has installed using
[01:02] <RandolphCarter> phoul: vista's ruddy awful, stick with XP
[01:02] <nickrud> AnsiC, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[01:02] <phoul> Apostle^, XP was a step in the wrong direction aswell
[01:02] <Apostle^> phoul: true but, it's the best one
[01:02] <Hubert> But I can't get updates....
[01:02] <AnsiC> not possible
[01:02] <phoul> I use 2000 on one of my boxes
[01:02] <phoul> :P
[01:02] <nickrud> it all crapped out after 1.04
[01:02] <Hubert> Windows stupid "Genuine Advantage"
[01:02] <Apostle^> 2000 is okay except bad hardware support
[01:02] <phoul> meh on this one I have xp
[01:02] <hachre> Hubert: what software do you need
[01:02] <phoul> Dont use it tho'
[01:02] <hachre> Hubert: in windows
[01:03] <phoul> I play my games and stuff on linux aswell
[01:03] <NoobSauce> I've got a system without a cd drive running debian. I was wondering if I could somehow install ubuntu off a mounted iso or something? Anyone have ideas on this one? Google wasn't any help :(
[01:03] <Apostle^> i would play games on linux except the ati drivers suck
[01:03] <Hubert> All my favorite Windows APPS in general :/
[01:03] <Hubert> I was hoping to move to a different OS :/
[01:03] <phoul> Apostle^, I use nvidia and cedega
[01:03] <phoul> :)
[01:03] <Apostle^> lol
[01:03] <hachre> Hubert: well - like what
[01:03] <hachre> Hubert: what do you do
[01:03] <nickrud> NoobSauce, there's a wiki.ubuntu.com page about using debootstrap I think
[01:03] <jeff303> NoobSauce, well you can mount an iso just like a disk
[01:03] <codecaine> I have same problem with Xnest :1
[01:03] <Apostle^> my card owns... with the omega drivers and windows...
[01:03] <Apostle^> haha
[01:03] <Hubert> STEAM, WMP, Winamp EXE's in general.
[01:03] <hachre> Hubert: for alot of stuff there is a good linux alternative
[01:03] <NoobSauce> Apostle^ solution: don't use ati :P
[01:03] <Hubert> And what is that?
[01:04] <Apostle^> NoobSauce: i will know for next time :-)
[01:04] <RandolphCarter> heh, that Omega guy's got a bit of an ego - have you read the about page?
[01:04] <hachre> Hubert: steam = game = wont work
[01:04] <phoul> RandolphCarter, did you ever manage to fix it?
[01:04] <meisterwinter> oh, ok, i cant understand you! not hear/see my posts, bad help, nothing... and thats about 2 hours. whats up buddies.... :-(
[01:04] <Hubert> What is a good Linux alternitive y0u speak of?
[01:04] <Apostle^> RandolphCarter: no but his drivers work GREAT for me, i mean WAY better than the ati ones
[01:04] <phoul> wine for games is horrible
[01:04] <hachre> Hubert: WMP = you can use rhythmbox instead for music or totem for videos
[01:04] <RandolphCarter> phoul: don't seem to be able to :( it's probably deep in gdm.conf somewhere
[01:04] <hachre> Hubert: winamp = rhythmbox
[01:04] <hachre> Hubert: rhythmbox is kinda itunes style though
[01:04] <Apostle^> hachre: no, xmms = winamp
[01:04] <RandolphCarter> Apostle^: they _are_ the ati ones, repackaged?
[01:04] <phoul> RandolphCarter, damn lol I will have to look sometime when I get more ambition
[01:04] <hachre> Apostle^: xmms sucks
[01:04] <hachre> Apostle^: :)
[01:04] <Apostle^> RandolphCarter: i believe they are
[01:04] <phoul> Hubert, easy thing about nix you need to learn
[01:04] <whiter> i forgot which lines i need  to add to sources.list to  install xubuntu again
[01:04] <chapium> ummm, rhythmbox hardly resembles winamp.. other than it outputs sound
[01:04] <Apostle^> hachre: it does, but it is more like winamp than rhythymbox
[01:04] <phoul> Unless its like a game or something
[01:05] <whiter> anyone know what sources i need?
[01:05] <Apostle^> best is amarok ;-)
[01:05] <hachre> Apostle^: true true
[01:05] <nickrud> Hubert, there's several ways of using your windows programs under linux: vmware, lin4win, crossoveroffice, and wine. They're all hacks, except for vmware
[01:05] <phoul> Linux has a substitute
[01:05] <crimsun> whiter: universe
[01:05] <phoul> Usally better to
[01:05] <hachre> Apostle^: just trying to give alternatives ;)
[01:05] <chapium> xmss = winamp
[01:05] <phoul> :)
[01:05] <hachre> Apostle^: i love amarok
[01:05] <chapium> xmms*
[01:05] <Apostle^> me too
[01:05] <ChickenFire> Hubert: for games with wine, you might want to check cedega
[01:05] <phoul> I use audiacious
[01:05] <AnsiC>   build-essential: Dipende: libc6-dev ma non sta per essere installato oppure
[01:05] <NoobSauce> jeff303 I know you can mount isos, but don't you have to boot into the disk? Or can you just run the installer off your hard drive? (didn't work under windows when I last tried that... but will it work in linux?)
[01:05] <AnsiC>                             libc-dev
[01:05] <AnsiC> +
[01:05] <hachre> cedega sucks
[01:05] <whiter> okay, also when i do apt-get dist-upgrade it doesnt upgrade to dapper
[01:05] <hachre> it never works
[01:05] <hachre> :)
[01:05] <Hubert> cedegga?
[01:05] <hachre> whiter: you need to change the lines in /etc/apt/sources.llist
[01:05] <phoul> hachre, works for me so you would be wrong :)
[01:05] <chapium> who needs cedaga when you've got gnobots?
[01:05] <NoobSauce> whiter do you have the dapper sources? or are you still using breezy sources?
[01:05] <whiter> i have dapper all in the configuration file already
[01:05] <hachre> phoul: bah
[01:05] <AnsiC> so today is not possible install build-essential
[01:05] <hachre> phoul: you are lucky ;)
[01:05] <Apostle^> yea that omega guy
[01:05] <AnsiC> normally is possible
[01:06] <Hubert> :S
[01:06] <whiter> i have dapper sources noobsauce
[01:06] <IcemanV9> cedega doesn't work on mine :P
[01:06] <phoul> hachre, no I just got it workin right :P
[01:06] <Hubert> *IS CONFUSED*
[01:06] <hachre> phoul: sure sure :P
[01:06] <nickrud> AnsiC, that sounds like you may have a sources problem, see the following factoid from ubotu
[01:06] <blank> Hey guys, what file do I edit to edit my PATH environment variable?
[01:06] <nickrud> !easysource
[01:06] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:06] <phoul> Hubert, get used to it this place is full of confusion
[01:06] <phoul> XD
[01:06] <Apostle^> windows programs run poorly, if it all on linux
[01:06] <Apostle^> period
[01:06] <blank> Apostle^, such as
[01:06] <NoobSauce> nickrud, that link has been toast for quite some time now
[01:06] <Apostle^> all of them
[01:06] <whiter> i would visit that but i dont havex window installed
[01:06] <phoul> and on that note I am out
[01:06] <phoul> Peace
[01:06] <whiter> and im ircing from a telnet client...
[01:06] <Apostle^> best chance on linux is if you have a fast pc for vmware
[01:07] <nickrud> NoobSauce, I just checked it, it's still there.  Hey!
[01:07] <Seveas> ah
[01:07] <Apostle^> Seveas: or lazy
[01:08] <blank> Seveas, what file do I edit to permanently edit my PATH environment variable?
[01:08] <NoobSauce> nickrud really? I could never access that link... I can't now either...
[01:08] <Seveas> well, lazy I am
[01:08] <Seveas> blank, on dapper: /etc/profile, on breezy: ~/.bashrc
[01:08] <ChickenFire> blank: you can do it in .bashrc in your home
[01:08] <blank> thanks Seveas !
[01:08] <NoobSauce> nickrud maybe I should post this as a bug or something? Would this be considered a bug?
[01:08] <Apostle^> some idiot
[01:09] <AnsiC> uff  fuck building
[01:09] <nickrud> NoobSauce, if http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic is no good for you, I don't know what to say (I'm no networking dude)
[01:09] <Apostle^> is hitting him self in the head on jeopardy witha pencil
[01:09] <Hubert> Well, say I wanted to take a break from Windows and Games period and start learning flash and photo editing...
[01:09] <Hubert> what is a nice USER Friendly version of linux for that?
[01:09] <psyke83> on the off chance that anyone knows anything about opengl, can someone confirm if GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_NV will not work on an ATI card?
[01:09] <Apostle^> photo editing?
[01:09] <Hubert> Ubuntu?
[01:09] <Apostle^> the gimp
[01:10] <AnsiC> today ubuntu decide to be unstable
[01:10] <tritium> AnsiC: no language like that here
[01:10] <hachre> Hubert: ubuntu is the best distro in my opinion
[01:10] <AnsiC> why?
[01:10] <Apostle^> psyke83: better off in #opengl
[01:10] <Seveas> Hubert, the gimp is quite decent for photo editing
[01:10] <blank> ChickenFire or Seveas, one last question, do I just add a line that says PATH=/my/dir ?
[01:10] <AnsiC> my language is ok
[01:10] <Hubert> Ok so if I wanted to start working instead of playing
[01:10] <Hubert> and try somthing new
[01:10] <Hubert> would you reccomend linux?
[01:10] <Seveas> blank, no, you want: export PATH=/my/dir:$PATH
[01:10] <Apostle^> sure
[01:10] <tritium> AnsiC: no, profanity is not okay here
[01:11] <blank> ah thanks Seveas, that's it
[01:11] <blank> export PATH=/usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.1.2/bin:$PATH, right Seveas ? Thanks!
[01:11] <AnsiC> i did not remember some particular word
[01:11] <Seveas> blank, looks ok
[01:11] <whiter> okay, i try to do apt-get install xubuntu-desktop but it says package not found
 uff  fuck building
[01:12] <Seveas> (yes we are being very pedantic when it comes to foul language)
[01:12] <whiter> and also i try apt-cache search xubuntu and it doesnt come up either
[01:12] <AnsiC> fuck is the more normally word in this world
[01:12] <Apostle^> trolltech
[01:12] <Apostle^> hehe
[01:12] <whiter> anyone know why?
[01:13] <NoobSauce> Hubert: If you want to do games or 3d driver stuff, linux can be a nightmare, but if you want to do just about anything else, it is very pleasant to work with - much more pleasant than windows
[01:13] <nickrud> Apostle^, you've missed being foul by a few years :)
[01:13] <whiter> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop doesnt work
[01:13] <Apostle^> nickrud: ?
[01:13] <NoobSauce> whiter, please post your sources.list file
[01:13] <Apostle^> nickrud: excuse me sir?
[01:13] <RandolphCarter> whiter: have you done a sudo aptitude update recently?
[01:13] <Hubert> Ok so, NoobSauce... can I Create Flash Cartoons in Linux?
[01:14] <nickrud> Apostle^, I'm conflating you with a previous post, nothing personal, probably nothing relevant ;)
[01:14] <whiter> noobsauce i would but im not using X so i cant copy and paste anywhere... i did a server install and now im just using netcat to irc
[01:14] <Apostle^> conflating?
[01:14] <NoobSauce> Hubert: dunno... never tried that before... maybe... but I think that's doubtful
[01:14] <Apostle^> that is a new word for me.
[01:14] <Hubert> is ubuntu good for servers?
[01:14] <whiter> and yes i did apt-get update/upgrade and i tried dist-upgrade but that didnt work either... also i changed all the breezy stuff to dapper and added universe but no go
[01:14] <tritium> Hubert: yes
[01:14] <Hubert> such as Quake 3 Servers I heard there is a Linux release of Quake 3
[01:15] <NoobSauce> Hubert: linux in general dominates the server, ubuntu is probably pretty good for it as it is a flavor of linux
[01:15] <RandolphCarter> "changed all the breezy stuff to dapper"?
[01:15] <whiter> in the sources.list
[01:15] <Apostle^> Hubert: it sure is
[01:15] <nickrud> whiter, what kind of error do you get when you do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[01:15] <Hubert> Thanks for all of the support guys.
[01:15] <Apostle^> Hubert: doom3/quake4 run on ubuntu
[01:15] <whiter> package not found
[01:16] <whiter> also it doesnt show up on apt-cache search
[01:16] <nickrud> whiter, could you post the complete error on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[01:16] <RandolphCarter> whiter: it doesn't exist then :)
[01:16] <NoobSauce> whiter, have you done apt-get update?
[01:16] <Hubert> I guess I will just buy a Valid copy of windows XP Home and stop pirating so I can get paste that "Genuine Advantage Crap."
[01:16] <RandolphCarter> you did do an "aptitude update" after changing from breezy to dapper?
[01:16] <whiter> no i cant because i dont have X running or a browser, im using NETCAT and a terminal right now
[01:16] <red_Marvin> Question: I have a couple of program launcher icons on my gnome-panel, but I want to change icons to some I've made myself...
[01:16] <nickrud> Hubert, wise choice.
[01:16] <whiter> yes i did whoever asked if i did aptitude update
[01:16] <NoobSauce> Hubert, paste what genuine advantage stuff? you can do without that
[01:17] <Hubert> Is it possible to buy a OEM edition of XP Home?
[01:17] <red_Marvin> ...but when I try to select the image-files they are all greyed out. Why?
[01:17] <Apostle^> Hubert: just use a corporate edition no cd key
[01:17] <whiter> know what, nevermind im not getting any help here... bye.
[01:17] <Hubert> I refuse to pay like 140.
[01:17] <nickrud> whiter, there's a script at http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/pastebin that will let you paste from a console
[01:17] <RandolphCarter> whiter: unless we can see a copy of your sources.list, there's not much we can do
[01:17] <Hubert> I'm usuing corprate now, and i'm having issues with windows validation.
[01:18] <RandolphCarter> whiter: can you netcat it to a machine that has X?
[01:18] <Apostle^> he left randolph
[01:18] <NoobSauce> Hubert use this: http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3389131
[01:18] <RandolphCarter> waa? ahh.  new XChat, not used to it yet :P
[01:18] <cdehaan> How can I enable suspending in Ubuntu?
[01:18] <NoobSauce> Hubert why do you need windows validation?
[01:19] <nickrud> RandolphCarter, dapper? (xchat original is available)
[01:19] <Hubert> it wont let me get updates
[01:19] <pax> cdehaan: power management
[01:19] <Hubert> without passing the validation
[01:19] <tritium> cdehaan: uncomment line 2 in /etc/default/acpi-support as a start.  Other tweaking may be necessary, depending on your hardware.
[01:19] <RandolphCarter> nickrud: yeah, seems pretty nice now it's out of the flights
[01:19] <tritium> cdehaan: you're talking breezy, I assume?
[01:19] <cdehaan> pax: OK... I realize the idea is called Power Management...
[01:19] <cdehaan> tritium: 5.10
[01:19] <RandolphCarter> nickrud: just got a problem I've been having with fglrx since breezy to fix now :(
[01:19] <tritium> cdehaan: ok
[01:19] <nickrud> RandolphCarter, it was supposed to be released on my birthday, I'm still crying
[01:20] <RandolphCarter> :P
[01:20] <NoobSauce> Hubert don't update then :) Just run anti-virus and anti-spyware stuff as well as a good firewall and you should be ok for a couple months
[01:20] <tritium> cdehaan: /etc/default/acpi-support is the main file you'll need to tweak (e.g., many have to disable posting video)
[01:20] <Apostle^> Hubert: just set it for automatic updates
[01:20] <Apostle^> you will still get the security updates
[01:20] <Apostle^> and get kaspersky antivirus it is the best.
[01:21] <Apostle^> O&O defrag is a must also
[01:21] <tritium> Please make sure we're not talking about unlicensed or pirated versions of windows here...
[01:21] <zcat[1] > wtf? #windows ?
[01:21] <cdehaan> tritium: Ok. And what will control when this happens? I know FC5 has a GUI tool for it, which is what I'd like :)
[01:21] <Apostle^> never
[01:21] <nickrud> RandolphCarter, ati is something that (thankfully) I know nothing about
[01:21] <tritium> cdehaan: both your hotkeys, and options on gnome logout
[01:22] <tim__> Would anyone know how to force users to logout? I have set logon time restrictions in time.conf but this does not force logout
[01:22] <RandolphCarter> nickrud: I keep meaning to buy nvidia, but this card was too good/cheap to pass on :(
[01:22] <fabytes> hi ppl, does anyone knows how do I change my connection password? I use pon dsl-provider to connect on the internet
[01:23] <nickrud> RandolphCarter, as long as it isn't a really recent ati card, I'd try just using the provided ubuntu stuff. see !ati
[01:23] <nickrud> !ati
[01:23] <ubotu> I guess ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[01:23] <NoobSauce> does anyone know how to install ubuntu from within another distro (debian)? I don't mean to set up a chrott env, I actually want ubuntu to write over this distro... I have no CD drive on it, so it has to be some sort of ubuntu net install or iso install or something
[01:23] <RandolphCarter> nickrud: really recent :( radeon works fine, but I don't like to see xine/xorg doing so much work when playing a vid
[01:24] <Apostle^> in a world that's cold and ugly
[01:24] <tritium> !install
[01:24] <ubotu> Installing Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation Installing software on Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSoftware
[01:24] <nickrud> debian/ubuntu provides warmth
[01:24] <Apostle^> undernearth the skin and jewelry
[01:25] <tritium> NoobSauce: see the advanced installation methods on that wiki page
[01:25] <nickrud> the developers provide the bone
[01:25] <mick> i just installed the ati drivers, and i get the icon in the app menu, but when i click it, nothing happnes, any thoughts?
[01:25] <serp> I use Windows. What are the advantages of migrating to Ubuntu?
[01:25] <pulver> anyone using window maker here?
[01:25] <RandolphCarter> serp: chicks love it
[01:26] <Apostle^> RandolphCarter: lol
[01:27] <RandolphCarter> serp: seriously though, I guess it's cheaper and it's probably more legal than the copy of windows you have now, and it's great if you program
[01:27] <serp> why is it great if I program?
[01:27] <Apostle^> legal shmegal
[01:27] <starman> hi to all
[01:27] <Apostle^> lol
[01:27] <RandolphCarter> ahh :)
[01:27] <tritium> Apostle^: we keep it legal here
[01:27] <Apostle^> anything is legal if you don't get caught
[01:28] <tritium> nope
[01:28] <nickrud> the real advantage of linux, if you take the time to learn how to read it, is the transparency of everything. You wanna know how your usb device is mounted and identified? Well, it changes month to month, but it's all readable
[01:28] <starman> ehem
[01:28] <Apostle^> sure it is
[01:28] <RandolphCarter> Apostle^: you're the attorney from Arrested Development!
[01:28] <Apostle^> haha
[01:28] <tritium> Apostle^: that's entirely untrue.  Please stop
[01:28] <Apostle^> i'm going to be so crooked
[01:28] <Apostle^> :-p
[01:28] <starman> anyone with amd64 and compiz running?
[01:29] <serp> I just wanna use my os to run things, I don't wanna fiddle around with it.
[01:29] <serp> maybe linux is not for me then?
[01:29] <RandolphCarter> serp: linux probably isn't for you yet then *shrugs* (flame me, but it's true)
[01:29] <tritium> serp: ubuntu doesn't require much fiddling
[01:29] <Apostle^> serp: linux is all about fiddiling
[01:29] <ompaul> serp, you can choose to fiddle or not fiddle
[01:30] <serp> and if I choose to not fiddle, are there any advantages?
[01:30] <RandolphCarter> can we stop saying fiddle?  it's a bad word to choose
[01:30] <tritium> ompaul: is that "the question"?
[01:30] <starman> ok I take for granted you are not very minimalist otherwise you wouldnt be using ubuntu, then how come no one here has compiz running?
[01:30] <rabbitear> serp, if you don't wanna fiddle, stay with windows
[01:30] <Nullified> !samba
[01:30] <ubotu> somebody said samba was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[01:30] <serp> all righty
[01:30] <RandolphCarter> starman: I'll run it, as soon as I get ruddy fglrx working
[01:30] <serp> fair enough :)
[01:30] <NoobSauce> serp yeah, of course. Linux is stable, faster, requires less maintenance, and much more secure
[01:30] <ompaul> tritium, no that is the fact :)
[01:30] <starman> ruddy fglrx??
[01:30] <pulver> you don't have to fiddle with stuff in windows?
[01:30] <tritium> :)
[01:30] <Apostle^> i dont have compiz running because i don't need the eye candy
[01:30] <starman> what is that RandolphCarter
[01:30] <NoobSauce> serp not to mention stuff is generally free and easier to install/find
[01:31] <Apostle^> and because it is buggy and slow
[01:31] <rabbitear> windows is a put off of fiddling...
[01:31] <serp> I dunno... maybe I just had bad experiences
[01:31] <RandolphCarter> starman: ruddy = nice way of saying bloody, and fglrx = glx enabled ATI drivers (for my X800 at least)
[01:31] <rabbitear> you fiddle later when everything brakes down.
[01:31] <Apostle^> the problem with fiddiling in linux is that
[01:31] <NoobSauce> Apostle^ you may think you don't need the eye candy, but once you install it, you will be addicted for life
[01:31] <Apostle^> everything is so connected
[01:31] <Apostle^> NoobSauce: i did, but i didn't like it :-p
[01:31] <starman> Apostle^, if you are a minimalist how come you are not using something less related to desktop environment, I mean ubuntu does not seem to be a very minimalist attractive distribution
[01:32] <tritium> serp: if you _really_ want to fiddle, I suggest doing it on the roof
[01:32] <rabbitear> but it one way to 'learn to switch to linux ';)
[01:32] <Apostle^> starman: because i am just learning linux
[01:32] <starman> RandolphCarter, I see
[01:32] <Apostle^> starman: i have used linux since december
[01:32] <starman> oh you are a potential Plan9 user
[01:32] <starman> hehehe
[01:32] <Apostle^> plan9 from bell labs?
[01:32] <Apostle^> isn't that unix
[01:32] <starman> yes
[01:33] <pulver> serp, if you want a linux distro that just works out of the box you should try a linux live cd distro of some sort
[01:33] <starman> well freebsd is unix as well and you can have xorg running
[01:33] <NoobSauce> Apostle^ if you are minimalist, I would recommend using ion, which I'm told is really nice for the minimalists out there... also I was a fluxbox user for a long time - fluxbox is very cool
[01:33] <starman> and I bet xgl as well
[01:33] <RandolphCarter> Apostle^: I saw a pretty nice tiling window manager a while back too - good for many xterms
[01:33] <Apostle^> i am not a minimalist
[01:33] <Apostle^> i run gnome, used to run xfce
[01:34] <Apostle^> i just dont care about the eye candy
[01:34] <starman> RandolphCarter, do you know of any amd64 nvidia user running an ubuntu 64bit environment using compiz?
[01:34] <serp> woops
[01:34] <serp> wrong button
[01:34] <NoobSauce> starman I was doing that for a while, it works
[01:34] <RandolphCarter> starman: nope, sorry
[01:34] <starman> well then you should try xterm, that is definitely no eyecandy
[01:34] <tritium> serp: thought you went off to fiddle ;)
[01:34] <serp> tritium: =)
[01:34] <serp> I tried the Ubuntu live CD
[01:34] <starman> NoobSauce, you got it to work??
[01:34] <NoobSauce> starman I think I got it to install using pre-built packages that are on some of the howtos for ubuntu
[01:34] <serp> and it was kinda hard to install the correct libraries
[01:34] <spitty> starman, this forum should help you: http://compiz.net/index.php
[01:35] <AcuraX> What kernel version was the "warty" release?
[01:35] <starman> those cvs ones?
[01:35] <tony_> if anyone gets time..im having a huge issue with my usb headset...can anyone give me a hand?
[01:35] <NoobSauce> starman yeah, xgl and compiz are really easy to set up, it's nvidia's drivers that are hard for me
[01:35] <Apostle^> xgl can ruin your xorg
[01:35] <serp> and the opengl support was very limited... something called mesa which was slow =(
[01:35] <NoobSauce> starman compiz and xgl took like 30 minutes for me tops
[01:35] <tritium> NoobSauce: no progress since last night?
[01:35] <nickrud> AcuraX, 2.6.8 iirc
[01:35] <fabytes> hi ppl, does anyone knows how do I change my connection password? I use pon dsl-provider to connect on the internet
[01:35] <serp> does ubuntu use xorg?
[01:35] <starman> I didnt have problems with nvidia ever before
[01:35] <tritium> yes, serp
[01:35] <AcuraX> Damnnit
[01:35] <ompaul> AcuraX, it was so long ago, and is now no longer supported :-)
[01:35] <Apostle^> NoobSauce: lol, should help me try it again then all the guides confuse me
[01:35] <NoobSauce> tritium nope... worked on it a couple hours with no success... just can't seem to get it to work for some reason... maybe I'm cursed :)
[01:35] <AcuraX> hsfmodem_<IP_ADDRESS>full_k2.6.10_5_386_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip
[01:36] <starman> I just followed everything and that ... does not work for me :(
[01:36] <AcuraX> errr
[01:36] <tritium> NoobSauce: remind me of the card versio please
[01:36] <NoobSauce> Apostle^ I'll find you the guide I used... are you using AMD64
[01:36] <nickrud> fabytes, it'll be in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets or pap-secrets
[01:36] <Apostle^> nah, pentium 4 /w ati
[01:36] <NoobSauce> tritium GeForce 6200 PCI-E w/ 256 MB ram
[01:36] <tony_> can anyone help me with my usb headset?
[01:36] <starman> however I am gonna try again :)
[01:36] <crimsun> tony_: in what respect?
[01:36] <Apostle^> NoobSauce: radeon x700 pro PCI-E 256 mb ;-)
[01:36] <starman> nvidia Geforce FX 5700 256
[01:36] <tritium> NoobSauce: that shouldn't require nvidia-glx-legacy.  I wonder what's up with that...
[01:37] <AcuraX> Can someone give me the addy to order cd's
[01:37] <tritium> shipit.ubuntu.com
[01:37] <nickrud> !shipit
[01:37] <ubotu> For free ubuntu CDs, visit https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[01:37] <NoobSauce> tritium I just bought this card for a hundred bucks a week ago. it BETTER not require legacy :P
[01:37] <starman> whats the difference between legacy and non legacy
[01:37] <AcuraX> Thanks
[01:37] <serp> how hard is it to get ati drivers to run?
[01:37] <tony_> well first of all crimsun...how do i private message you?
[01:37] <tritium> NoobSauce: :)
[01:37] <RandolphCarter> serp: I'll let you know when I've managed to get them to run... (it depends on your setup)
[01:37] <NoobSauce> starman legacy = old model of something
[01:37] <nickrud> starman, <5000 series =legacy, >5000 = non-legacy
[01:38] <spitty> serp, not too bad
[01:38] <spitty> they're in synaptic
[01:38] <serp> RandolphCarter: how does it depend on my setup?
[01:38] <serp> my hardware setup?
[01:38] <starman> ok, thanks I am learing a lot of english today :D
[01:38] <RandolphCarter> serp: yeah, what bus, card type, firmware revision - there are too many factors really
[01:38] <crimsun> tony_: don't query me; I find it highly unmanageable since I'm in nearly 90 channels
[01:38] <crimsun> tony_: just converse here
[01:38] <serp> oh
[01:39] <serp> all righty
[01:39] <NoobSauce> Apostle^ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133427
[01:39] <serp> well I'll give ubuntu a try
[01:39] <RandolphCarter> another reboot, see if the official ATI drivers will work :)
[01:39] <kernelpanic> hello
[01:39] <tony_> alright..well anyways, i cant get my headset to work..
[01:39] <tony_> sound keeps coming out pc speakers..and i cant get mic to work either
[01:39] <NoobSauce> Apostle^ there are packages in the repositories, but I can only confirm that the packages on this page will work. Also, some people claim they got KDE to work with compiz - don't listen to them, you have to stick with gnome for this one
[01:40] <c01100011> hello, I reinstalled ubuntu on a system and I am having a peculiar problem with the internet connection speed. I disabled ipv6, but websites are still taking a very long time to lookup, but then load quickly. I think it may be a problem with my DNS list. Any recomendations  ?
[01:40] <tony_> ive changed it in the sound properties and that has no effect
[01:40] <MisterN> n8
[01:40] <Apostle^> NoobSauce: i'm just gonna forget it, i don't want to worry about messing xorg up, i have everything the way i like it now. but thanks
[01:41] <crimsun> tony_: pastebin the output from ``cat /proc/asound/cards ~/.asoundrc*''
[01:41] <tony_> k..i should tell you im new to ubuntu..i have no clue how to do that
[01:41] <bender_> BUFFALO WINGS!
[01:41] <NoobSauce> Apostle^ I never hosed my install with xgl... I don't know why everyone says that... I've done 2 installs of it so far with no problems... the drivers have always been the problems that hosed xorg for me
[01:42] <||arifaX> hi can someone help. after booting /boot is not mounted. no problems with the system but for example a kernel update would not work what do I have to edit to mount /boot at boottime? (ubuntu breezy 2.6.12-9-386)
[01:42] <||arifaX> but I have a folder /boot
[01:42] <tony_> wow..never mind bro..but thanks anyways..i just got it working:D
[01:42] <crimsun> tony_: Applications> Accessories> Terminal , then type ``cat /proc/asound/cards ~/.asoundrc*''
[01:42] <RandolphCarter> yay :) turns out fglrx doesn't like framebuffers :/
[01:42] <bender_> fglrx doesnt like anyhting
[01:43] <serp> RandolphCarter: did it work?
[01:43] <starman> I am gonna restart Xgl, lets see if I have finally broken it
[01:43] <RandolphCarter> it seems to like my hardware now, and yeah
[01:43] <bender_> in fact. i hate ATI
[01:43] <starman> see you
[01:43] <starman> ATI sucks hehehe bye
[01:43] <ChickenFire> ||arifaX: what is inside your /etc/fstab ?
[01:43] <|Sivik|> faX: are you editing the grub (menu.lst
[01:43] <ompaul> **** news flash **** the channel #ubuntu+1 is for those who are running dapper :-) there is a #ubuntu-xgl channel also this channel should be for support of the stable versions of the O/S
[01:43] <nickrud> lol
[01:43] <bender_> well guys.. im full.. i just ate hott wings... and had to drink a huge monster energy drink cuz im outa other liquids.
[01:43] <||arifaX> ChickenFire: should I paste here?
[01:43] <|Sivik|> no
[01:44] <bender_> so i recommend NOT doing the same
[01:44] <|Sivik|> don't paste here
[01:44] <ompaul> ||arifaX, paste in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:44] <serp> when I am new with Ubuntu, should I install dapper or the regular version?
[01:44] <ChickenFire> just the line containing /boot
[01:44] <Stormx2> bender_: Got the shakes yet?
[01:44] <nickrud> serp, breezy definitly
[01:44] <||arifaX> ChickenFire, There is none
[01:44] <|Sivik|> install breezy
[01:44] <ompaul> serp, 5.10
[01:44] <serp> ok
[01:44] <bender_> Storrmx2 nah... last night i had 2 24oz monsters.. could barely hold a  pen
[01:45] <Mitsurugi> 'ello
[01:45] <|Sivik|> how do i write someomes name whithout having to type it out?
[01:45] <Apostle^> energy drinks lol.
[01:45] <bender_> felt like i  was turning into a monster
[01:45] <ChickenFire> plz paste the content of the file to the given location arifax
[01:45] <serp> |Sivik|: <tab>
[01:45] <Knorrie> |Sivik|: tab
[01:45] <Apostle^> |Sivik|: type some of it and hit tab if your on xchat
[01:45] <|Sivik|> i'm not in xchat
[01:45] <nickrud> serp, you'll be able to upgrade nicely to dapper when it's released (I'd suggest waiting a month or so)
[01:45] <red_Marvin> Question: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=987751#post987751
[01:45] <serp> oki
[01:45] <||arifaX> ChickenFire, but I know it is on /dev/hde1 and i can mount in manually - will paste wait
 works in almost irc client
[01:45] <|Sivik|> ||arifaX: it works here though
[01:45] <serp> who is paying for ubuntu to be developed?
[01:45] <Knorrie> serp: sabdfl
[01:46] <|Sivik|> serp: no one
[01:46] <tritium> aka Mark Shuttleworth
[01:46] <rabbitear> serp, microsoft
[01:46] <Knorrie> rabbitear: lol
[01:46] <|Sivik|> serp: they are doing it cause they wanna
[01:46] <c01100011> hello, I reinstalled ubuntu on a system and I am having a peculiar problem with the internet connection speed. I disabled ipv6, but websites are still taking a very long time to lookup, but then load quickly. I think it may be a problem with my DNS list. Any recomendations  ?
[01:46] <RandolphCarter> serp: marc shuttleworth mostly, I think
[01:46] <rabbitear> :>
[01:46] <||arifaX> ChickenFire, pasted it
[01:46] <RandolphCarter> serp: and by all accounts he's a pretty top guy ^_^
[01:46] <serp> RandolphCarter: ;)
[01:46] <francis> i get that problem too c01100011
[01:46] <serp> does he ever come here?
[01:46] <nickrud> serp, a lot of people, some with money, some with time
[01:47] <Knorrie> NoobSauce: mslinux aka.. msux aka.. ms sucks
[01:47] <|Sivik|> serp:no one in perticular though
[01:47] <ChickenFire> ||arifaX: what URL please?
[01:47] <serp> can I help developing ubuntu?
[01:47] <tritium> of course, serp
[01:47] <|Sivik|> serp: do you know anything about programming?
[01:47] <serp> |Sivik|: yes
[01:47] <ollo82> good evening
[01:47] <||arifaX> ChickenFire, ahh understand: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d13458
[01:47] <nickrud> serp, yes. File bugs
[01:47] <Knorrie> serp: ttp://crazy.mofo.nl/~redfox/biertje1.jpg
[01:48] <NoobSauce> serp an easy way for anyone to help is to submit bug reports
[01:48] <tritium> serp: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[01:48] <Knorrie> serp: fok wrong url
[01:48] <ollo82> is there a difference between flight 7 and beta 2 ?
[01:48] <Knorrie> serp http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[01:48] <tritium> yes, ollo82
[01:48] <ChickenFire> oki
[01:48] <RandolphCarter> serp: aye, or do artwork or work on documentation :) (testing betas is good too)
[01:48] <serp> cool
[01:48] <tritium> Knorrie: already got it covered ;)
[01:48] <serp> well step 1 is to install it
[01:48] <Knorrie> tritium: gheh thanks :)
[01:48] <ollo82> which difference?
[01:48] <serp> RandolphCarter: did you get the drivers to work?
[01:48] <|Sivik|> ollo82: your mom
[01:49] <|Sivik|> serp: what languages?
[01:49] <tritium> ollo82: updated packages
[01:49] <RandolphCarter> serp: yeah, it was one of those things where two disparate parts of the system conspire against me
[01:49] <tritium> |Sivik|: that's not helpful
[01:49] <ollo82> my mom is not satisfied with beta2
[01:49] <ollo82> which one is newer?
[01:49] <|Sivik|> ollo82: i was just trying to be funner
[01:49] <tritium> ollo82: many
[01:49] <|Sivik|> ollo82: read up on it
[01:49] <ollo82> i cant find anything about flight 7 on the official page
[01:50] <|Sivik|> probably because its not offical
[01:50] <serp> |Sivik|: c++ mostly
[01:50] <|Sivik|> serp: nice
[01:50] <ollo82> but its newer ?
[01:50] <mick> if my xorg.conf looks like this : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13461   why does it act like nothing has changed from the default?
[01:50] <tritium> yes
[01:51] <pulver> anyone using window maker here?
[01:51] <whyami> I've been looking over kde (I have been using Gnome) and I would be ready to seriously switch over, except that I would really miss the gnome applets (such as system monitor). Is there a way to get these gnome applets in kde?
[01:51] <tritium> ollo82: #ubuntu+1 for dapper questions, please
[01:51] <nickrud> RandolphCarter, I hope you have a bed nearby
[01:51] <ChickenFire> SO ||arifaX
[01:51] <ollo82> ok, thx
[01:51] <nickrud> whyami, not gnome apps, but there are a lot of kde tools that provide the same functionality
[01:52] <c01100011> Sorry if i am resending too often, but i saw a few new names and was hoping to snag some help, I reinstalled ubuntu on a system and I am having a peculiar problem with the internet connection speed. I disabled ipv6, but websites are still taking a very long time to lookup, but then load quickly. I think it may be a problem with my DNS list. Any recomendations  ?
[01:52] <ChickenFire> ||arifaX,  you have no /boot entry in /etc/fstab.. so mounting manually should look like: "mount /dev/hde1 /boot"
[01:52] <RandolphCarter> switching from fglrx+xorg to a vty still hangs the system :(
[01:52] <ChickenFire> instead of mount /boot"
[01:52] <rabbitear> whyami, not gnome panel apps? any app of gnome will run on a kde desktop
[01:52] <ChickenFire> instead of "mount /boot"
[01:53] <ChickenFire> RandolphCarter go for the dri radeon ;)
[01:53] <|Sivik|> mde, how many partitions or hds do you have?
[01:53] <||arifaX> ChickenFire, yes manually works did that already but how to do it automatically?
[01:53] <RandolphCarter> ChickenFire: compiz man, compiz :(
[01:53] <ChickenFire> ok ok
[01:53] <serp> what's a good IDE in linux?
[01:53] <serp> I use Visual Studio now
[01:54] <rabbitear> c01100011, yep, that sounds right..
[01:54] <nickrud> serp, eclipse is often recommended, as well as anjuta
[01:54] <tritium> serp: anjuta, kdevelop, eclipse
[01:54] <c01100011> rabbitear- how would i go about changing my dns ?
[01:54] <c01100011> list *
[01:54] <serp> okay
[01:54] <NoobSauce> does anyone have comparisons of writing to ipod from itunes versus from something in linux? which is faster? (wondering if I should run wine+itunes on linux)
[01:54] <serp> how do I get the headers needed for opengl?
[01:54] <serp> GL/glu.h for isntance
[01:55] <serp> I couldn't find that when I tried the live cd
[01:55] <biovore> serp: figure out what the development package is and install it..
[01:55] <RandolphCarter> NoobSauce: unless you have some FairPlay DRM'd songs, I'd go with rhythmbox or equivalent
[01:55] <serp> biovore: how do I figure out that?
[01:55] <rabbitear> c01100011, System->Adminastration->Network
[01:55] <tritium> serp: development tools and libs aren't intsalled by default
[01:55] <nickrud> serp, search on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for a file you need, it'll tell you the package
[01:55] <biovore> serp: use apt-cache and search for it
[01:55] <Sanne> serp, on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ in section "Search the contents of packages" you can look up the package a file belongs to.
[01:56] <NoobSauce> RandolphCarter is there any program to strip the DRM from the songs?
[01:56] <tritium> serp: you'll want build-essential to start with, plus whatever libs, etc. you want
[01:56] <serp> nickrud, Sanne, perfect
[01:56] <serp> thanks a lot
[01:56] <Sanne> serp, you're welcome
[01:56] <RandolphCarter> NoobSauce: there's a windows/osx app, but it'll only work for <= iTunes 5.00 stuff
[01:56] <serp> how come development things aren't installed by default?
[01:56] <bender_> ive returned
[01:56] <nickrud> NoobSauce, no, not under linux (I'm still looking)
[01:57] <tritium> serp: the average user doesn't need it
[01:57] <ChickenFire> ok, ubuntu is using LVM, the new entry line in /etc/fstab should look like "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-boot     /boot      etc...."
[01:57] <serp> fair enough
[01:57] <nickrud> serp, this is a user distro, not a developers
[01:57] <ChickenFire> ||arifaX, ok, ubuntu is using LVM, the new entry line in /etc/fstab should look like "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-boot     /boot      etc...."
[01:57] <bender_> that was stupid
[01:57] <RandolphCarter> although, by definition, programmers are lazy, so ubuntu's kinda good for them
[01:57] <Seveas> bender_, indeed, away messages are very stupid.
[01:57] <bender_> so many megalomaniac's running these IRC chans
[01:57] <nickrud> serp, although, developers can use this one just fine, if the want
[01:57] <NoobSauce> tritium, in linux there is no such thing as 'the average user' :P
[01:57] <||arifaX> ChickenFire, should I try that - should make no problems if buggy line or?
[01:58] <bender_> awaymsg = hi
[01:58] <bender_> UT OH
[01:58] <serp> hm okay, q.
[01:58] <nickrud> bender_, the reason here is to keep clutter on the channel to a minimum, it scrolls fast enough as it is
[01:58] <serp> should I make more partitions than just / and wswap?
[01:58] <tritium> NoobSauce: you can survey a large collection of ubuntu users, and average the results
[01:58] <fabytes> hi ppl, does anyone knows how do I change my connection password? I use pon dsl-provider to connect on the internet
[01:58] <bender_> so will
[01:58] <bender_> i get kicked
[01:58] <bender_> if i
[01:58] <serp> maybe ubuntu helps me with partitioning?
[01:58] <bender_> send to much
[01:58] <bender_> at once?
[01:58] <nickrud> !enter
[01:58] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[01:58] <nickrud> yes
[01:59] <bender_> o
[01:59] <ageofpanik> Anybody set up XGL and compiz on a laptop
[01:59] <|Sivik|> serp: i have partition for my boot as well cause i normally run more than one linux at a time
[01:59] <tritium> NoobSauce: and that result indicates that most don't need dev. tools by default
[01:59] <spitty> ageofpanik, yes
[01:59] <ageofpanik> spitty, did it go smooth for you?
[01:59] <spitty> smooth isn't quite the word I'd use, but it works
[01:59] <Seveas> !xgl
[01:59] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[02:00] <ageofpanik> I have destroyed my laptop 4 times and have given up
[02:00] <ageofpanik> I also am a linux noob so I don't have experience with linux
[02:00] <spitty> what are you trying to install it on?
[02:00] <ageofpanik> Dell D600
[02:00] <c01100011> sorry to be such a bother, how do i go about retrieiving new dns server adresses ?
[02:00] <spitty> does it have an ati or nvidia card?
[02:00] <nickrud> ageofpanik, heh. you mean you've had bad luck with installs
[02:00] <tritium> ageofpanik: destroyed?  physical damage?
[02:00] <ageofpanik> oh no
[02:01] <gk> hi
[02:01] <tritium> c01100011: from the dhcp server?
[02:01] <c01100011> i would google, but 30 second page lookups are fustraiting me
[02:01] <ageofpanik> destroyed the install
[02:01] <NoobSauce> anyone know how to use syslinux+ipod/usbdrive?
[02:01] <rabbitear> dhcp would do that for you.... *If* the dhcp server is setup correct, and the dns server itself it gets is not crap
[02:01] <c01100011> tritum- yes, i tried reconecting to the dhcp server, but that doesn't fix the problem
[02:01] <spitty> ageofpanic, try this site: http://compiz.net/viewforum.php?id=5
[02:01] <starman> hi again
[02:02] <spitty> that's how I got my xgl running
[02:02] <starman> now compiz works but gnome-window-decorator does not hehehehe
[02:02] <tritium> c01100011: sudo dhclient <interface>, e.g. sudo dhclient eth0
[02:02] <ageofpanik> Cool, will do
[02:02] <ageofpanik> I am using an ATI card also
[02:02] <NoobSauce> starman that's supposed to happen, you have to follow the rest of the guide to complete it
[02:02] <starman> I think I have already :)
[02:03] <ChickenFire> ||arifaX, no risk, no result ;)
[02:03] <NoobSauce> starman to quite the guide 'you will see your windows decorations dissappear - believe it or not that's a good thing'
[02:03] <starman> I have followed all howtoes, but lets see it again for the n-time ;) I bet I am missing somethihng
[02:03] <||arifaX> :)
[02:03] <NoobSauce> starman you have to do it *just* right... so you have to read it really closely
[02:03] <starman> ok which howto in particular are we talking about :)
[02:03] <ChickenFire> ||arifaX, no seriously, if you do not change the other lines, it should be ok and skip it in case of error.
[02:03] <ageofpanik> thank you for your help
[02:04] <NoobSauce> starman it should be pretty similar. I did it using nvidia+amd64, you're probably doing something else though
[02:04] <starman> I have tried ps -aux | grep compiz and grep Xgl and that is definitely working fine
[02:04] <starman> nope I use same thing as you
[02:04] <starman> amd64 + nvidia
[02:04] <NoobSauce> starman oh... let me pull up the guide brb
[02:05] <||arifaX> ChikenF, there is no Ubuntu-boot in /dev/mapper but Ubuntu-root I assume if no Ubuntu-boot present there inserting the line will not help I think something has to be created first? - you helped me a lot, I will check out and try
[02:05] <nickrud> !ubotu
[02:05] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[02:05] <||arifaX> err ChikenF=ChickenFire
[02:06] <ENE|Toxic> WPA/WLAN. I can't seem to ping local computers in the network from my wpa/wlan laptop. I can ping ie google, and the other users in the lan my ping each other but my laptop. May this be some error with my WPA settings on my laptop?
[02:06] <starman> I will run compiz like thirty times as it says but I dont know where this may lead me to
[02:07] <NoobSauce> starman http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133427 < - that's the howto I refer to
[02:07] <ChickenFire> ||arifaX, so if the boot partition in not in LVM, then enter "/dev/hde1" directly.
[02:07] <NoobSauce> starman have you modified the stuff with gconf-editor? that's almost certainly where the problem is
[02:07] <starman> ok that is the one I was doing
[02:07] <starman> in fact I havent done that
[02:07] <starman> :)
[02:07] <||arifaX> ChickenFire: I think that was my fault. will never put boot into lvm again....
[02:08] <rabbitear> ENE|Toxic, the other machines allow to be pinged?
[02:09] <starman> NoobSauce, if this works I ... I dont know what I do
[02:09] <vincenz> Helll
[02:09] <starman> :)
[02:09] <vincenz> Sutck with a big problem
[02:09] <hierophant> _jason
[02:09] <rabbitear> ENE|Toxic, WPA wouldn't I think do that, sounds like firewall settings..
[02:09] <ENE|Toxic> rabbitear: certainly. It's just this computer that can't ping the others, and the other way around. Either it's a problem with WPA in my settings, or my router doesn't forward packets properly between lan-wlan
[02:09] <vincenz> Basically I had to reinstall grub, and for some reason it wanted to reinstall some packages, now I no longer have eth1 which is WIFI, which also used to use wpa
[02:09] <vincenz> Basically I had to reinstall grub, and for some reason it wanted to reinstall some packages, now I no longer have eth1 which is WIFI, which also used to use wpa_supplicant, how do I fix this?
[02:10] <rabbitear> ENE|Toxic, i'd bet on the router as the problem...
[02:10] <ENE|Toxic> rabbitear: Nah, it's not a firewall setting, stationary comp1 can ping stationary comp2, but wlan comp3 can't ping stationary com2 :) No firewall applied
[02:10] <rabbitear> could be WPA tho, I actually never really used that :P
[02:10] <vincenz> ubotu: !wpasupplicant
[02:10] <ubotu> vincenz: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:10] <rabbitear> *shrugs*
[02:10] <vincenz> ubotu: !wpa_supplicant
[02:10] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, vincenz
[02:10] <vincenz> ubotu: !wifi
[02:10] <ubotu> vincenz: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:11] <nickrud> !wpa_supplicant
[02:11] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, nickrud
[02:11] <nickrud> !wifi
[02:11] <vincenz> !wlan
[02:11] <ubotu> I heard wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[02:11] <ubotu> vincenz: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:11] <ENE|Toxic> rabbitear: In my opinion it shouldn't be the router, but on the other hand I might have overlooked something. I'll check the conf again
[02:11] <rabbitear> WPA does routing ? :) its a routing issue..
[02:11] <guerrilla> is it just me, or is the jre near impossible to install
[02:11] <nickrud> guerrilla, no, it's pretty easy
[02:11] <nickrud> (<Tab> means press the Tab Key) In the directory where you downloaded the sun jre, type sudo aptitude install java-package && fakeroot make-jpkg jre<Tab> . When that's done, type sudo dpkg -i sun<Tab>
[02:11] <NoobSauce> guerrilla try using easyubuntu
[02:12] <guerrilla> i've gone through the instructions online, and it doesn't work
[02:12] <NoobSauce> guerrilla that will install all the common stuff that you will need including jre
[02:12] <mphill> Is there such a think as the restricted headers for 686 SMP, I only see them for the uniprocessor, does this really make a diffrence on hyperthreaded machines?
[02:12] <vincenz> it no longer sees eth1 as a device!!
[02:12] <kbrooks> guerrilla: how doesnt it work?
[02:13] <guerrilla> NoobSauce that sounds interesting where do i pick that up
[02:13] <NoobSauce> mphill hyperthreaded machines are single processor machines. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the hyperthreading is done on hardware not software (right?)
[02:13] <mphill> i know its a uniprocessor
[02:13] <ENE|Toxic> rabbitear: hmm, I think I know the problem. My router is acting AP and forwarding wlan traffic to some other unprotected AP, since I haven't specified a password for my ssid, just a public key.
[02:13] <NoobSauce> guerrilla http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ < - this script should handle it all for you
[02:13] <mphill> i was wondering is there are advatages to using the HT, since I can't see to get the restricted headers for the 686 SMP
[02:14] <guerrilla> kbrooks well for one, when it says to use sudo apt-get jre1.4 it says there is no installation information
[02:14] <kbrooks> !tell guerrilla about easyubuntu
[02:14] <nickrud> mphill, are you using dapper?
[02:14] <j-linux> My Ubuntu Breezy won't boot.  I installed yesterday's update and when I booted up the next time it wouldn't start.  These are the error messages I was getting: http://pastebin.com/699452 (I'm in DSL now, booting from a thumb drive)
[02:14] <mphill> yes
[02:14] <rabbitear> ENE|Toxic, sounds right to me as somebody that never got into WPA ;/
[02:14] <mphill> nickrud: yes
[02:14] <kbrooks> ubotu: easyubuntu =~ s//,//./
[02:14] <guerrilla> kbrooks thanks
[02:14] <NetworkJester> hello
[02:14] <nickrud> mphill, it's all the same, uniprocessor/SMP under dapper. More info, ask on #ubuntu+1
[02:15] <ENE|Toxic> rabbitear: yeah
[02:15] <kbrooks> ubotu: easyubuntu =~ s#/,#/./
[02:15] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, kbrooks
[02:15] <kbrooks> ubotu: easyubuntu =~ s#/,#/.#
[02:15] <ubotu> OK, kbrooks
[02:15] <kbrooks> !easyubuntu
[02:15] <vincenz> :(
[02:15] <guerrilla> kbrooks, should i be worried that fakeroot gives me an error like "/usr/bin/fakeroot line 15:no such command make-jpkg"
[02:15] <kbrooks> there.
[02:15] <rabbitear> ENE|Toxic, you could always ssh tunnel back to the other machines lol
[02:15] <kbrooks> guerrilla: You don't have it.
[02:16] <NetworkJester> anyone know if there is a package or way to get the "make install" function for ubuntu?
[02:16] <spitty> build-essential is require to compile things
[02:16] <nickrud> NetworkJester, install build-essential
[02:16] <NetworkJester> build-essential?
[02:16] <guerrilla> kbrooks: i used apt-get to install it, anbd it said i had the latest version
[02:16] <NetworkJester> is that the command?
[02:16] <serp> I'm gonna install linux how hihi
[02:16] <serp> so excited
[02:16] <high-freq> whats the fix for ..... if i can ping actual ip numbers...but i can't ping names....how do i fix this?
[02:16] <j-linux> NetworkJester: you can use synaptic... search it.
[02:16] <nickrud> NetworkJester, sudo aptitude install build-essential is the command
[02:17] <NoobSauce> anyone know where I can find a net install for ubuntu that is for i386? (I can only find 64bit, spark and hppa for some reason)
[02:17] <guerrilla> kbrooks: installed fakeroot thatis
[02:17] <mike930> is there a way to manually edit the session manager
[02:17] <j-linux> Does anyone know what these error messages mean? http://pastebin.com/699452  I'm getting them when I try to boot, after yesterday's kernel update.
[02:17] <j-linux> Ubuntu Breezy
[02:17] <kbrooks> guerrilla: java-package
[02:17] <ENE|Toxic> rabbitear: haha yeah that's an alternative. Just to make one thing clear, using wpa_passphrase, it generates some output to add to the config. It also generates a psk and a #psk. Is the #psk interpreted in any way in the /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf or is that just treated as a comment ?
[02:18] <crimsun> ENE|Toxic: #commented out
[02:18] <j-linux> I can't get into my system... :(
[02:18] <ENE|Toxic> crimsun: usually yes .. but thanks though
[02:18] <guerrilla> kbrooks: apt-get says java-package connot be found
[02:18] <guerrilla> kbrooks: but java-common can
[02:18] <rabbitear> ENE|Toxic, I bet its a comment, but I really don't *know* WPA ...
[02:19] <Mikey> Hi, anyone who knows if there's a particular channel to discuss Wireless networking in Ubuntu, or is it appropriate to do it here?
[02:19] <ENE|Toxic> rabbitear: yeah probably. Well, the problem is neither do I :) Thanks for the help though
[02:19] <Nihil85> hi everyone! i wanted to know were are the icons in ubuntu. can anyone give me an answer?
[02:19] <crimsun> ENE|Toxic: trust me, it's commented out.
[02:19] <Nihil85> in wich folders are they?
[02:20] <Sanne> Nihil85, /usr/share/pixmaps, /usr/share/icons
[02:20] <rabbitear> np
[02:20] <Nihil85> Sanne: thanks
[02:20] <||arifaX> ChickenFire: ...worked - (a simple line /dev/hde1 /boot did it) - anyhow both 64 and 32 bit versions of ubuntu 5.10 do forget about putting /boot in fstab when using lvm on full drive and create an invalid line in fstab
[02:20] <Sanne> Nihil85, you're welcome
[02:20] <high-freq> whats the fix for ..... if i can ping actual ip numbers...but i can't ping names....how do i fix this?
[02:20] <ergon_1> hello
[02:20] <ENE|Toxic> crimsun: I'll take yer word for it :)
[02:20] <NetworkJester> strange it cant find build-essential
[02:21] <crimsun> NetworkJester: is main enabled?
[02:21] <NetworkJester> main?
[02:21] <Poker> is it possible to execute a windows program in linux ?
[02:22] <crimsun> NetworkJester: do you have the 'main' repository enabled?
[02:22] <NoobSauce> poker yes. Use wine
[02:22] <mike930> I tried to install fluxbox and for some reason it got an error, now in my session manager I have an item that says "foo" is there a way to get rid of it?
[02:22] <Poker> sounds good
[02:22] <Poker> ty
[02:22] <Sanne> Poker, not all apps work, though (just a warning)
[02:23] <NoobSauce> poker add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/" without quotes, then do apt-get update, and apt-get install wine
[02:23] <NetworkJester> crimsun, im srry i dont know what that is :)
[02:23] <crimsun> NetworkJester: System> Administration> Synaptic> Settings> Repositories> Officially supported
[02:23] <NoobSauce> poker sanne is right, not all apps will work, and some will have some weird problems, but most stuff should be ok
[02:23] <rabbitear> http://www.y3m.net/docs/gentoo-on-t42/configs/wpa_supplicant.conf   <--- has alot of comments
[02:23] <high-freq> i guess..how do i enable name resolutions?  so i can actually ping names..instead of the ip's
[02:24] <NetworkJester> and which needs to be supported?
[02:25] <NetworkJester> crimsun^
[02:25] <Poker> NoobSauce,  it works even if i don't add the source
[02:25] <Poker> i mean the command to install
[02:25] <crimsun> NetworkJester: officially supported needs to be checked
[02:25] <NoobSauce> poker what country are you in?
[02:25] <Poker> Italy
[02:25] <Quan-Time> mornin :)
[02:25] <rabbitear> mornin..
[02:25] <NetworkJester> on breezy badger?
[02:25] <NetworkJester> it was...
[02:25] <NoobSauce> poker yeah, that's probably why... I'm in the US and we have some really bizarre intellectual property laws... I wouldn't be surprised if it was illegal here to install wine
[02:26] <crimsun> NetworkJester: did you refresh?
[02:26] <NetworkJester> with the newly downloaded packages ??
[02:26] <NetworkJester> yeah
[02:26] <NoobSauce> poker it's amazing but mplayer, vlc, and any kind of dvd players in linux are actually illegal, so our sources.list looks very funny
[02:26] <NetworkJester> should i try it now?
[02:26] <crimsun> NetworkJester: pastebin the output from ``apt-cache policy build-essential''
[02:26] <Poker> lol
[02:27] <rabbitear> drinking wine is still legal
[02:27] <vincenz> ok, I had to reinstall bootmanager, so I put in install cd, now it partially installed some packages and failed, my system still runs but it no longer knows eth1, my wifi interface
[02:27] <NetworkJester> pastebin the output huh????
[02:27] <NoobSauce> by the way, to prove I'm not making this up, ANY dvd player in linux is illegal right? (someone from the US second me)
[02:27] <rabbitear> hehe probably..
[02:27] <mikeo1> is there any way to play wmvhd in linux?
[02:28] <NetworkJester> crimsun
[02:28] <NetworkJester> how do i do what you just said?
[02:28] <NoobSauce> mike01 not legally if you're in the US :) use easyubuntu
[02:28] <crimsun> NetworkJester: Applications> Accessories> Terminal, type: apt-cache policy build-essential
[02:28] <crimsun> NetworkJester: then paste that output onto the Web site http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:28] <mikeo1> can it be done?
[02:28] <mikeo1> using amd64 dapper + xgl
[02:28] <biovore> mikeo1: I think wmvhd is just MS new sales pich to push the same old wmv format..
[02:29] <mikeo1> have 1 movie i want to play in wmvhd
[02:29] <rabbitear> the US does! have really screwey and screwed and screwed up IP laws
[02:29] <NetworkJester> mmmk
[02:29] <mikeo1> pirates wmvhd lol
[02:29] <biovore> mikeo1: mplayer play it?
[02:29] <NoobSauce> mike01 the easyubuntu script should take care of everything for you
[02:29] <Nihil85> i wanted to know if there's a program like Amarok in gnome, or something like this with a playlist manager such as winamp
[02:29] <mikeo1> nope
[02:29] <mikeo1> mplayer doesnt play wmvhd-dvd
[02:29] <mikeo1> at least not my version
[02:29] <NoobSauce> nihil85 try juk
[02:29] <mikeo1> plays h264 better than quicktime does in windows tho
[02:29] <rabbitear> its not really because of lawyers either <-- I've already tried to argue with them
[02:30] <rmulliga> Can anyone tell me which Graphics cards xorg-driver-fglrx works with? I have an x800, and when I run fglrxinfo I get this error message:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13463
[02:30] <mikeo1> can play 2 1080p h264's at once :D
[02:30] <rabbitear> at a bar ..
[02:30] <NoobSauce> mike01 oh, if mplayer doesn't do it, there's probably no way to do it :(
[02:30] <mikeo1> with no dropped frames
[02:30] <Nihil85> NoobSauce: is this juk right for gnome?
[02:30] <mikeo1> is there a codec out there though?
[02:30] <fiveiron> can you blank a cd-rw using nautilus?
[02:30] <senectus> NoobSauce, the Linux/DVD player legallity thing is dependant on what country you live in. Plus there _are_ legal DVD Linux software.. but it's not free
[02:30] <rabbitear> but, they don't back down <the laywer(s)> that I argued with..
[02:31] <mikeo1> anyone here good with tv cards?
[02:31] <mikeo1> cant get my leadtek tvxp 2000 deluxe to work
[02:31] <NoobSauce> nihil85 it should be ok... what do you mean 'right for gnome'? you mean works with the taskbar ok when it minimizes?
[02:31] <rabbitear> law student
[02:31] <Nihil85> NoobSauce: i've red on synaptic that juk is for kde
[02:32] <Nihil85> NoobSauce: JuK (pronounced "jook") is a jukebox and music manager for the KDE
[02:32] <Nihil85> desktop similar to jukebox software on other platforms such as
[02:32] <Nihil85> iTunes or RealOne.
[02:32] <Nihil85> oooops
[02:32] <NoobSauce> senectus really? what players? I thought nobody actually had licenses for the codecs to run in linux... you learn something new every day I guess :)
[02:32] <rabbitear> <--- I am not the law student
[02:32] <NoobSauce> nihil85 oh, I thought it was for gnome :P other than that, I have no idea
[02:32] <bartmaniac> hello, i'm running ubuntu dapper kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-386 on a AMD athlon64 system. Is there a better kernel for this? K7?
[02:33] <senectus> NoobSauce, I'm pretty sure that the Linspire "clicknrun" repositories have DVD players in them, and I'm sure I read somewhere some time ago there is an "off the shelf" Linux DVD player software out there now as well.
[02:33] <Nihil85> i wonder how if gnome is the best desktop manager, all the rights and goods programs run under kde... why?
[02:33] <senectus> NoobSauce, all licenced properly of course
[02:33] <NetworkJester> crimsun.
[02:33] <NetworkJester> ??
[02:33] <NetworkJester> mmmmm what do i do now?
[02:33] <NoobSauce> senectus wow... I just looked it up and they actually do exist... although nobody uses these to my knowledge :P but they do exist!
[02:34] <crimsun> NetworkJester: have you pastebinned it?
[02:34] <NetworkJester> yeah i believe so
[02:34] <crimsun> NetworkJester: what's the url?
[02:34] <guerrilla> !gtk
[02:34] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, guerrilla
[02:34] <guerrilla> ><
[02:34] <NetworkJester> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13464
[02:34] <crimsun> NetworkJester: looks fine. What happens when you ``sudo apt-get install build-essential''?
[02:35] <NetworkJester> whoa!
[02:35] <NetworkJester> why did it ask for the cd before?
[02:35] <crimsun> NetworkJester: because that line was uncommented in your sources.list, and now it's not
[02:36] <Rudemeister> ok
[02:36] <NetworkJester> ah i c and that happened when i did which command?
[02:36] <crimsun> NetworkJester: whenever you changed sources.list (either through synaptic or manually)
[02:37] <NetworkJester> ok
[02:37] <NetworkJester> now a big question
[02:37] <NetworkJester> how do i use build-essential
[02:37] <NetworkJester> lol
[02:37] <nagi> hello
[02:37] <NetworkJester> hey
[02:37] <NetworkJester> is that a command now
[02:38] <NetworkJester> ??
[02:38] <rabbitear> build-essential is stuff you need to compile/build stuff..
[02:38] <Drac|Windows> NetworkJester, it's a package that installs a number of utilities that allows you to build things from source. Use "make" and "make install" to build things, and always do "./configure" if a "configure" file is existent.
[02:38] <NetworkJester> ah
[02:38] <NetworkJester> gotcha!
[02:38] <rabbitear> or is that just to make .deb's out of sources?
[02:38] <NetworkJester> ty
[02:38] <Drac|Windows> rabbitear, no, it's stuff like gcc and the like. Compiler bits.
[02:38] <atmasaro> CDs and DVDs just don't load right. Data DVDs will load like half the data and I'll have to restart and music CDs don't load at all in Sound Juicer. Any ideas?
[02:39] <NetworkJester> im gonna have another pastebin in a sec
[02:39] <NetworkJester> lol
[02:40] <rabbitear> I stilled most of the build-essetinals by hand, before I installed build-essentinals
[02:40] <rabbitear> not a complaint, just would have saved some time *shrugs*
[02:40] <rabbitear> I'm used to doing things the wrong way so I don't even know why I'm still talking right now lol
[02:40] <atmasaro> CDs and DVDs just don't load right. Data DVDs will load like half the data and I'll have to restart and music CDs don't load at all in Sound Juicer. Any ideas?
[02:41] <menisk> is ubuntu supposed to support a usb mouse?
[02:41] <NetworkJester> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13465
[02:41] <NetworkJester> ^^HELP^^
[02:41] <menisk> ?
[02:41] <rmulliga> How do I see what my current kernel version is?
[02:41] <DickDonkeysaber> A couple nights ago, I was licking jelly off my boyfriend's penis. And I thought, Oh, my God--I'm turning into my mother!
[02:42] <menisk> wen u boot it normally tells u
[02:42] <sethk> menisk, yes
[02:42] <sethk> rmulliga, you can see the kernel version with uname -a
[02:42] <NetworkJester> CRIMSUN:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13465
[02:42] <eXistenZ> I have a folder that contains like 3000 picture, when I open it the file manager stops responding and my cpu usage jumps to 100 =/
[02:42] <rabbitear> lol
[02:42] <rmulliga> sethk: Right!, Thanks... How do I update my kernel source to match that version in /usr/src/?
[02:43] <harisund> Is there some way I should tell my mplayer that w32codecs are installed? It doesn't seem to 'see' the installed w32codecs...
[02:43] <sethk> rmulliga, I forget the package name, but search for kernel in synaptic
[02:43] <guerrilla> ok, so, i'm trying to run azureus, which is a java program, and when i run it i get all sorts of exceptions thrown that refer to /usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0
[02:43] <sethk> rmulliga, no, search for linux
[02:43] <guerrilla> whats that all about?
[02:43] <crimsun> NetworkJester: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:43] <crimsun> NetworkJester: make sure you use CC=gcc-3.4
[02:43] <rmulliga> sethk: apt-cache search linux?
[02:43] <sethk> guerrilla, that's the java garbage collector, but I don't know why you are seeing exceptions.
[02:44] <sethk> rmulliga, that might work, but I was thinking about the search function in synaptic
[02:44] <baojdk> hey
[02:44] <baojdk> any Ubuntu PPC users here?
[02:44] <guerrilla> sethk: it starts out like this "DEBUG::Fri"
[02:44] <guerrilla> which looks normal
[02:45] <rmulliga> sethk: any idea how to narrow the search? like everythin in the cache contains the string linux
[02:45] <halley> sethk, gcj isn't the java garbage collector, it's gnu cc's java runtimes.  guerrilla, might try installing Sun's java runtimes or seeing if there are gcj conflicts for your software.
[02:45] <sethk> guerrilla, put it on the pastebot, I'd have to see more of it.
[02:45] <NetworkJester> crimsun: CC means what?
[02:45] <baojdk> i'm trying to get Gnutella working on PPC ubuntu,....can anybody help out?
[02:45] <sethk> halley, the garbage collector is in it, but you are correct, it isn't only the garbage collector
[02:45] <guerrilla> but after all that info it says "java.security.KeyStoreException: JKS" and spamms a whole bunch of "ats"
[02:45] <guerrilla> sethk whats paste bot
[02:45] <guerrilla> !paste_bot
[02:45] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, guerrilla
[02:45] <sethk> guerrilla, read the topic
[02:46] <guerrilla> k i'll pop it on there
[02:46] <crimsun> NetworkJester: that's an environment variable. ``export CC=gcc-3.4''
[02:46] <eXistenZ> Can anyone help me? :|
[02:47] <NetworkJester> what did that do?
[02:47] <AngryElf> eXistenZ, maybe
[02:47] <NetworkJester> i didnt see any response from bash
[02:47] <crimsun> NetworkJester: use the correct compiler version
[02:47] <crimsun> NetworkJester: that's correct
[02:47] <crimsun> echo $CC
[02:47] <rabbitear> of C
[02:48] <NetworkJester> i need to compile it?
[02:48] <BlueLaguna> do most .deb packages work with ubuntu?
[02:48] <rabbitear> I wonder if cc is in utuntu
[02:49] <guerrilla> sethk: errr i definatly put it on there under your name
[02:49] <sethk> guerrilla, doesn't matter, but you'll have to paste the url
[02:49] <serp> !dual screens
[02:49] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, serp
[02:49] <|Lord_Zoo|> hi people, I need to mount a LVM partition, but the main partition is ext3
[02:49] <|Lord_Zoo|> is there any extra module that I have to load?
[02:49] <rmulliga> Is it safe to update the sym-link linux in /usr/src to a later version of the source?
[02:49] <baojdk> any Ubuntu PPC users here?
[02:50] <siimo> rmulliga, why do you want to do that
[02:50] <siimo> rmulliga, you need current version of source if you are building modules
[02:50] <philipsmith> Evolution is not working correctly.... will not list read email
[02:50] <guerrilla> sethk: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13466
[02:50] <rmulliga> siimo: Yea, it's not currently set to the latest version of my kernel
[02:50] <NetworkJester> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13467
[02:50] <serp> is it possible that I have to edit xorg.conf manually to get dual screens working?
[02:51] <siimo> rmulliga, well then it will be fine you can set it to your current kernel source
[02:51] <rmulliga> siimo: my kernal version is 2.6.16-9 but the linux symlink is set to 2.6.12-9
[02:51] <sethk> guerrilla, you have to install the SSL package
[02:52] <guerrilla> sthk: ahh
[02:52] <rmulliga> siimo: is some package supposed to take care of updating that for me?
[02:52] <philipsmith> Hi. Anybody know about evolution?
[02:52] <baojdk> any Ubuntu PPC users here?
[02:52] <siimo> rmulliga, im not sure i dont touch it, but i remove old kernels once im sure new one works
[02:53] <guerrilla> sethk: is there a synaptic package for SSL?
[02:53] <NetworkJester> so has anyone else had a problem with a riptide pci audio controller sound card and found a way to fix it
[02:53] <|Lord_Zoo|> nobody?
[02:53] <NetworkJester> ??
[02:53] <|Lord_Zoo|> :(
[02:53] <rabbitear> siimo, anymore that sym-link is kinda a dated thing
[02:53] <sethk> guerrilla, yes, name may be ssh, which is an ssl implementation.  Anyone know the SSL package off the top of your head?
[02:53] <NetworkJester> so has anyone else had a problem with a riptide pci audio controller sound card and found a way to fix it
[02:53] <rabbitear> siimo, if your not building from source at all
[02:53] <siimo> rmulliga, and even when i dont have a symlink things that need it detect my correct kernel source in its own directory anyway
[02:54] <sethk> rabbitear, the symlink?  Not at all
[02:54] <guerrilla> sethk: i have the ssh stuff installed
[02:54] <rabbitear> okay, I'l be quiet
[02:54] <NetworkJester> bummer
[02:54] <NetworkJester> well thanks for the help guys!
[02:54] <rabbitear> my cat just throw up anyway
[02:54] <guerrilla> sethk: i use ssh to connect to the box, its headless (mostly)
[02:54] <rmulliga> siimo: oh ok.
[02:54] <rmulliga> siimo: thank you.
[02:54] <sethk> guerrilla, you probably need the development part
[02:55] <philipsmith> Any Evolution experts out there?
[02:55] <siimo> rmulliga, worry about it when you have to
[02:55] <mowgly> Hello : D
[02:55] <mowgly> I'm tryin
[02:55] <BlueLaguna> do most .deb packages work with ubuntu?
[02:55] <mowgly> g to change the gcc version : o
[02:55] <mowgly> the default gcc version how can i do ?
[02:56] <rabbitear> sethk, the /usr/src/linux sym-link ...
[02:56] <siimo> BlueLaguna, not all, some may be for older version of ubuntu/debian/other debian derived distro
[02:56] <sethk> rabbitear, nothing obsolete about that
[02:57] <siimo> BlueLaguna, if you want to keep your system clean then don't use any package that doesn't say its for the specific version of your ubuntu
[02:57] <rabbitear> you probably right.... I guess *I* just don't need it ... its probably a hfs or whatever standard or soemthing
[02:57] <guerrilla> sethk: i did a search for ssl inside the synaptic, and got back a whole bunch of stuff, what should i be looking for
[02:57] <sethk> rabbitear, if you compile source packages that look for kernel files, you need it.
[02:58] <winy> Hello
[02:58] <sethk> guerrilla, let me look at the paste again.  I just install everything, which takes care of it.  :)
[02:58] <mikeo1> is direct rendering possible in xgl?
[02:58] <rabbitear> sethk, *nods* .. but 2.6 has the build info in /lib/modules/xxx/build yadda yadda..
[02:59] <sethk> rabbitear, for kernel modules, yes.  but lots of other software looks for kernel files.  probably shouldn't, but they do
[02:59] <rabbitear> which is also a symlink to the operating kernel...
[02:59] <teimu> i have a .deb file that i want to install. how do i get into it?
[02:59] <rabbitear> but I'm not trying to be right...
[02:59] <guerrilla> : lol
[03:00] <sethk> guerrilla, I can't really tell from the trace.  It can't find a component that stores and retrieves keys, but I don't know which package is related to that.
[03:00] <guerrilla> sethk: hmm ok thanks for your help=D
[03:00] <_ubuntu> panget pala Dapper hehehe
[03:00] <_ubuntu> mali
[03:02] <rabbitear> teimu, you could try 'dpkg' but it might not install
[03:08] <nickrud> teimu, you probably don't want to use that exact deb file you randomly got off the net: what is it, and what is it you're trying to accomplish?
[03:08] <mick> can anyone tel me what i need to add to my fstab to make mounted ntfs drives viewable (currently don't have permission to vie them
[03:08] <nickrud> !ntfs
[03:08] <ubotu> I guess ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[03:09] <teimu> nickrud, its a dependency file for openssh
[03:09] <_jason> mick: read the table about half way down the page ubotu just said.  It discusses how to set permissions on ntfs
[03:09] <teimu> see the thing is, synaptic offers the openssh-client, which i have, but i want to get the server. however, when i mark it for install, it gives me an error that there is a version mismatch between these two packages. the client is 1:4.1p1-7ubuntu4 and the server is 1:4.1p1-7ubuntu4.1. synaptic does not offer matching versions for these two packages. what should i do?
[03:09] <nickrud> teimu, openssh is natively supported by ubuntu, what the heck are you doing :)
[03:09] <teimu> i want the server
[03:10] <nickrud> teimu, could you do paste the entire error on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[03:10] <teimu> sure
[03:11] <Xenguy> teimu: switch mirrors or check your /etc/apt/sources.list file  ?
[03:11] <Cattack> I have a qustion....how do you have a /home that multiple distros use without having them refuse to let you login due to settings issues?
[03:11] <rmulliga> Has anyone seen a "BadAlloc" error when running a fglrxinfo when trying to set up graphics acceleration?
[03:11] <Cattack> I am planning a 3 Distro linux box but I want every distro on it to use the same usernames and /home
[03:11] <rabbitear> !ssh
[03:11] <ubotu> hmm... ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[03:11] <sethk> Cattack, there is no answer to that in general
[03:12] <NoobSauce> tritium, it worked! somehow I got the nvidia drivers to install!
[03:12] <sethk> Cattack, you could, for example, use an empty home directory, but I doubt that will be terribly useful
[03:12] <rabbitear> I'm so wise
[03:12] <nickrud> Xenguy, seems likey, yes
[03:12] <Cattack> I am trying to achieve something simular to what they do at college.....I login on any of their *nix boxes and my home directory follows me.
[03:12] <NoobSauce> tritium, I have no idea what was stopping me, but I just did apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` and somehow it worked
[03:13] <teimu> nickrud and Xenguy , i just did apt-get update, and now i can download the packages! thanks for the help guys. i was using old repositories =P
[03:13] <AngryElf> does w32codecs come in ppc form?
[03:13] <nickrud> teimu, heh. I'll take it :)
[03:13] <Cattack> I am after the same but on the same box in a multiboot enviroment.
[03:13] <sneex> AngryElf, nope
[03:13] <Cattack> I know they do it cross linux and Solaris 9
[03:14] <AngryElf> so there's no way to play mp3s on my ppc?
[03:14] <nickrud> !mp3
[03:14] <AngryElf> or dvds with libdvdcss2?
[03:14] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:14] <sneex> yes
[03:14] <sneex> you can play mp3s
[03:14] <biovore> mp3 should be able to work on anything using lame
[03:14] <sneex> but not wmv
[03:14] <nickrud> !tell AngryElf about dvddvdcs
[03:14] <sneex> brb
[03:14] <nickrud> !tell AngryElf about dvddvdcss
[03:15] <rabbitear> !sshd
[03:15] <ubotu> sshd is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto
[03:15] <|Lord_Zoo|> !meaning of life
[03:15] <ubotu> |Lord_Zoo|: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:15] <AngryElf> !dvd
[03:15] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[03:15] <sneex> AngryElf, rwad the stuff Ive posted here:  http://dw.ccsh.us/doku.php?id=ubuntu.insecurity.org&s=ubuntu
[03:15] <rabbitear> !meaningoflife
[03:15] <ubotu> rabbitear: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:15] <nickrud> AngryElf, ergh, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats , look on that page for libdvdread3, that's where you'll find a libdvdcss2 that works
[03:16] <|Lord_Zoo|> haha :)
[03:16] <guerrilla> has anyone been able to get azureus running on ubuntu?
[03:16] <guerrilla> i get all sorts of exceptions
[03:16] <_jason> !azureus
[03:16] <ubotu> rumour has it, azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[03:16] <|Lord_Zoo|> guerrilla, use automatix
[03:16] <guerrilla> oo that soundes interesting, where can i grab that
[03:16] <|Lord_Zoo|> to install azureus
[03:17] <|Lord_Zoo|> !automatix
[03:17] <ubotu> automatix is, like, totally, unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, such as !easyubuntu.
[03:17] <sneex> !tell sneex about dvddvdcss
[03:17] <sneex> \=
[03:17] <sneex> =/
[03:17] <sneex> lol
[03:17] <_jason> !dvd
[03:17] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[03:17] <nickrud> !easyubuntu
[03:17] <|Lord_Zoo|> well, er...
[03:17] <kbrooks> guerrilla: DO NOT recommend automatix
[03:17] <OrTigaS> its automatic install the keypadlock that irritating somehow :)
[03:17] <kbrooks> er
[03:17] <kbrooks> |Lord_Zoo|: DO NOT recommend automatix
[03:17] <YukiCuss> |Lord_Zoo|, not automatix.
[03:17] <kbrooks> guerrilla: sry
[03:18] <guerrilla> kbrooks: haha ok
[03:18] <|Lord_Zoo|> ok ok, didn't know it, get the poitn
[03:18] <YukiCuss> nickrud, you can PM ubotu if you want to see its messages.
[03:18] <|Lord_Zoo|> point
[03:18] <sneex> !tell sneex about dvdcss
[03:18] <nickrud> heh. automatix sucks,I guess we all agree on that
[03:18] <nickrud> YukiCuss, thanks
[03:18] <YukiCuss> :)
[03:18] <guerrilla> well how can i find out excactly what i'm missing for azureus
[03:19] <starman> Hi to all
[03:19] <OrTigaS> how to uninstall that automatix? on the aptitude? and it will uninstall other
[03:19] <_jason> guerrilla: did you visit the link ubotu mentioned about azureus?
[03:19] <|Lord_Zoo|> guerrilla, you never heard from me about automatix
[03:19] <|Lord_Zoo|> :D
[03:19] <starman> I finally made it work hurraah
[03:19] <nickrud> !frostwire
[03:19] <guerrilla> auto what, i don't know what you're talking about=D
[03:19] <_jason> guerrilla: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[03:19] <nickrud> !+frostwire
[03:19] <ubotu> frostwire is a free peer-to-peer application that runs on the Gnutella network, which can be found at http://www.frostwire.com/ note: the file /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrost.sh in the 4.10.9 release is in dos format, and should be converted to 'nix format using dos2unix (install the sysutils package if you do not have this command)
[03:19] <kbrooks> OrTigaS: apt-get remove automatix
[03:19] <|Lord_Zoo|> anyway, it's not so hard to make azureus work, if you have JRE installed
[03:19] <OrTigaS> thanks kbrooks
[03:20] <OrTigaS> is anyone installed/run modem under 536ep chipset here?
[03:20] <OrTigaS> PCI modem
[03:20] <starman> how are duo processors working on ubuntu
[03:21] <starman> I am about to buy a duo processor dell laptop to run on linux
[03:21] <mike930> is there a way to change that ugly brown color background that shows up during login splash screen?
[03:22] <starman> you can do your own
[03:22] <starman> I did mine although it sucked
[03:22] <noiesmo> mike930, gdmsetup
[03:22] <Cattack> Is there a way to use a normal  ubuntu install load but tell it not to use DHCP for the network?
[03:22] <nickrud> starman, the latest dapper kernel is supposed to not differentiate between non smp and smp or hyperthreaded non-hyperthreaded processors.
[03:22] <mike930> thanks
[03:22] <Cattack> *without using ubuntu-expert
[03:23] <mike930> dang, they stuck the color portion in the bottom and I didn't even see it
[03:24] <starman> nickrud, intel duo processors are emt64?
[03:24] <DarkLegacy> Sup guys
[03:25] <noiesmo> not much just hangin
[03:25] <rabbitear> I've never heard anyone complain about duo processors...
[03:25] <nickrud> starman, I'm gonna quote myself:  nickrud walks away from his last post, he was talking just above his level
[03:25] <rabbitear> I think intel tests there cpu's on linux before windows..
[03:27] <rendo> Jesus Christ, does anyone know why Firefox won't stay maximized?  I max it, close it and it loads back up shrunk again,  can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[03:29] <Saint`Peter> rabbitear: anything would score better on linux :-p
[03:30] <rendo> Anyone?
[03:30] <rabbitear> ya but thats not the reason I think, its because, its more stable, and they can't tell whats going on with a win box...
[03:30] <Das> I atempted to instal hoary on my computer, when I did I got an error installing the base componets, thinking it was the disk I tried again with a new Breezy I still got an error while installing. I got "Error downloading zlib1g", "Error installing core packages", and "error (returned error 2)"
[03:30] <rabbitear> :)
[03:30] <NoobSauce> rendo isn't it supposed to do that?
[03:30] <noiesmo> rendo, i have had this happen but i cannot remember at mo how i fixed it sorry
[03:30] <starman> nickrud, I would like to know if intel duo are 64bit I will have to look on that
[03:30] <rendo> I want it to be MAXIMIZED it loads up shrunk and crap. :@:@:@
[03:31] <rendo> It angers me to no end.
[03:31] <starman> I dont want to pay a big amount of maney otherwise
[03:31] <rabbitear> info from the the linux link tech show.... had an intel guy on afew weeks ago...
[03:31] <starman> by the way I am having problems with wobbly plugin in amd64 compiz
[03:31] <Das> Could it be my computer is too old? XP installed on it just fine
[03:31] <starman> as well as with gconf plugin
[03:31] <rabbitear> maybe a month or two by now..
[03:32] <rabbitear> *I think* current duo's are all 32-bit...... still
[03:32] <nickrud> starman, 'intel duo' as I see it is a marketing thing; it's still 32bit os
[03:32] <Das> Anyone?
[03:33] <dli> nickrud, isn't it "intel core duo"?
[03:33] <NoobSauce> starman when I ran it as amd64 I had problems with the wobby effect as well as the adjustable transparency
[03:33] <rabbitear> rendo, you could delete the prefereces.. but then you might lose your bookmarks,passwords,etc
[03:33] <dli> Das, state your question again?
[03:33] <Das> dli: [18:30]  <Das> I atempted to instal hoary on my computer, when I did I got an error installing the base componets, thinking it was the disk I tried again with a new Breezy I still got an error while installing. I got "Error downloading zlib1g", "Error installing core packages", and "error (returned error 2)"
[03:33] <NoobSauce> starman I never found a fix for it... what kind of wobbly windows problems are you having? Mine would stay as odd shapes unless you dragged it just right
[03:33] <nickrud> dli, I'm gonna stand by my disclaimer above; I'm learning as we talk
[03:34] <starman> if i try to use wobbly it just does not work
[03:34] <rendo> 1 sec.
[03:34] <rabbitear> nickrud, I read a dual cpu vs. duo ... there are some advantages.... like price... power usage, complexitely of motherboard..
[03:34] <starman> if I try to use gconf same thing
[03:34] <dli> Das, okay, download the breezy iso image again, check md5sum, and burn it at 4x speed, with "Verification"
[03:34] <rendo> @#^#@:^%#!@:%!@: SAME CRAP didn't laod full
[03:34] <NoobSauce> starman you might check if you made a type in the gconf-editor,, that's possible
[03:35] <NoobSauce> starman what do you mean by gconf?
[03:35] <nickrud> rabbitear, if you can delineate it for the rest of us (but I'm gonna keep my little desktop)
[03:35] <rabbitear> and, you can get a dual cpu, mobo, and put two duo's on both slots, and have a 4-cpu machine
[03:35] <starman> example
[03:35] <starman> you can run compiz like this
[03:35] <rendo> Did you mean the preferences file?
[03:35] <starman> compiz --replace gconf wobbly ... etc
[03:35] <starman> well gconf is a plugin
[03:35] <dli> rabbitear, and, you could still have superthreading of each core :)
[03:35] <boabsta> rendo, have you tried in #firefox?
[03:35] <starman> if I omit it then it works
[03:35] <Das> dli: The hoary disk I used worked on an install on another computer, so I'm starting to think it's the computer. Are there minumum requirments for Ubuntu?
[03:36] <rendo> I didn't know about there, thank you.
[03:36] <starman> it sometimes complains depending on the order of the plugins
[03:36] <nickrud> compiz/xgl: pretty nice, pretty broken. Wait. It'll be something worth using next year, maybe if we're lucky, with eft
[03:36] <Das> Or more importantly, are they more than XP?
[03:36] <Das> dli
[03:36] <dli> Das, pentium ?
[03:36] <rabbitear> rendo, I don't know the Exact file, kinda brute force too
[03:36] <starman> which are actually listed under /usr/lib/compiz
[03:36] <Das> dli, 3
[03:36] <dli> Das, I don't know XP
[03:36] <rabbitear> dli, *nods*
[03:36] <Das> Mmmm
[03:36] <dli> Das, you want to install ubuntu on a 385?
[03:36] <dli> Das, 386
[03:37] <rabbitear> I'm po tho, still got my p4-2.6 :)
[03:37] <Das> Well, should I re-download, or reburn? dli
[03:37] <starman> It is a pity I dont get that cool wobblying effect but this still has some nice things like the cube, or the moving windows. No switcher working, it may have something to do with key bindings, etc
[03:37] <dli> Das, yes, that's the correct way to do it
[03:37] <Das> dli, I believe its 386
[03:37] <NoobSauce> nickrud it worked more reliably than kde for me. I think if you get it to work, it's awesome, but if it doesn't work, there's nothing you can do about it
[03:37] <starman> you guys really think Intel duo is 32bit?
[03:37] <dli> Das, how much RAM do you have?
[03:38] <boabsta> does anyone know a good package/script for converting AVI to DVD format? I had a script for KDE a while ago so when you right clicked a AVI file there would be options in the context menu to convert it
[03:38] <starman> that is a crap
[03:38] <NoobSauce> starman I have no idea what could be wrong, if you followed the howto EXACTLY, then that's just bizarre
[03:38] <dli> starman, it's called "intel core duo" :(
[03:38] <Das> dli, 216 I think
[03:38] <starman> oh dli thank you very much
[03:38] <Das> *256
[03:38] <dli> Das, probably, it's not a 386
[03:38] <starman> I couldnt be more grateful for your help :D
[03:38] <Cattack> Just a thought but couldnt ubuntu offer an intermediant install?  Something like the FC5 install that will give you more control over the install and the ability to add additional packages at install time without having to provide all of the expert mode parameters and such durring install.
[03:38] <Das> dli, Should I download a different iso?
[03:39] <Eduardo-> Im using Ubuntu to share my connection at home.. now i want to install a software that shows some information about my lan (kb/s per ip, mb per ip and etc).. Anybody knows a good one? that i can install with apt get?
[03:39] <dli> starman, want 64 bit dual core, wait untill July
[03:39] <starman> oh really... hmmm
[03:39] <rabbitear> if you wanna use a webbrowser a p2-300 feels slow ... ... rest of the usual suspects of software, runs fine
[03:39] <dli> Das, download breezy
[03:39] <starman> I want a laptop with 64 bit
[03:39] <hierophant> will someone help out with chatzilla
[03:39] <barktpolar> Question, Is it possible to use a wireless router with Ubuntu
[03:39] <starman> I have been using a 64bit environment for 2 years now (debian 64 till a couple of days ago)
[03:39] <Das> dli, I did
[03:40] <dli> starman, or May the 9th, turion x2 from amd, 64 bit, and way better than "core duo"
[03:40] <Das> I guess I'll re-try
[03:40] <dli> Das, check md5sum of the .iso
[03:40] <starman> paying like 2000euros for a 32bit does not seem the proper thing to do
[03:40] <Das> dli, How do I do that?
[03:40] <noctrine> Is there anything that would stop the guided partition thingie from working? Whenever I try to do the install all that comes up is the manual partition thing and no tables are shown where they say there should be some
[03:40] <dli> starman, I heard turion x2 will be cheaper than core duo
[03:40] <starman> dli the problem is that almost no one sells amd laptops
[03:41] <starman> the ones that do sell them, ask for a loooot of money
[03:41] <dli> starman, asus, fuji, hp/compaq
[03:41] <[gijoe] > dapper drake, efty eft, fucked up fugl.. what's next? what's wrong with just plain old verion numbering?
[03:41] <_sHaDe> Notte a Tutti
[03:41] <starman> expensive and with shitty graphics cards
[03:41] <dli> starman, amd usually goes nvidia
[03:41] <kbrooks> starman: they have to ask for a lot of money
[03:42] <kbrooks> starman: supply/demand:
[03:42] <Das> dli, md5sum?
[03:42] <starman> whereas dell seems to be the only one to have a powerfull Nvidia Quadro 2500 512mb
[03:42] <nickrud> [gijoe] , ?
[03:42] <starman> each time I think about that graphics card I get ....
[03:42] <dli> starman, turion64 from hp/compaq is affordable, but not of the good quality as asus/fuji
[03:43] <rabbitear> no luggable gaming tops have 64 bits?
[03:43] <barktpolar> I wanted to know that,because I have a Nintendo DS and I wanted to use Ninetnd WFC, but the WiFi USB Connector only supprots Windows XP, so I was wondering if it's possible to use a wireless router with Ubuntu
[03:43] <nickrud> [gijoe] , eh. what's 'old verion numbering' ?
[03:43] <dli> Das, google md5sum
[03:43] <kbrooks> [gijoe] : those are codenames.
[03:43] <mick> how do you set file type associations?
[03:43] <rabbitear> barktpolar, I have a DS and go thru the wifi router :)
[03:43] <rabbitear> no usb ness..
[03:44] <dli> where are the big brothers of this channel?
[03:44] <kbrooks> nickrud: 0.0.1, 0.1.0, 1.0.0, etc
[03:44] <starman> rabbitear, I play AAO in 64 with 32 bit compatibility layer
[03:44] <tony_> can anyone help me with wine?
[03:44] <dli> tony_, just ask
[03:44] <kbrooks> dli: why?
[03:44] <starman> amd has shitty cache memories
[03:44] <rabbitear> the duo's are 32-bit...
[03:44] <noctrine> Is there anything that would stop the guided partition thingie from working? Whenever I try to do the install all that comes up is the manual partition thing and no tables are shown where they say there should be some
[03:45] <rabbitear> so far.. the next ones are suppose to be 64
[03:45] <starman> damn I dont like that news rabbitear
[03:45] <dli> kbrooks, those ones watching over you
[03:45] <tony_> well im wanting to install ventrilo...but when i open it when wine and install it..i dont get an icon on my desktop...how do i open it?
[03:45] <starman> rabbitear, when are those due?
[03:45] <kbrooks> dli: dont scare me
[03:45] <rabbitear> of intel.. *shrugs*
[03:45] <rabbitear> tllts.org
[03:45] <rabbitear> search for intel
[03:45] <kbrooks> dli: the ops. why do you want them? i could ping them for you with a single command, but...
[03:46] <starman> did you heard that crap about amd pretending to release a L3 cache of 8mb?
[03:46] <dli> kbrooks, not scared, just disgusted, when you are helping users, the nasty ones jump out, and try to discipline you
[03:46] <rabbitear> and sorry I don't recall names very well, (bad bad bad habit)... other wise I'd tell you the specific guest
[03:46] <kbrooks> dli: um, discipline?
[03:46] <dli> tony_, I'm not sure why wine should make icons for you
[03:46] <tony_> well it did in fedora core 5...im new to ubuntu
[03:47] <starman> how much worthed is a 8mb L3 cache, versus a RAM memroy with 600 something mhz and processor speed of around 1800 mhz
[03:47] <tony_> i dont know how to open the program....
[03:47] <dli> kbrooks, yeah, just some evil ops, while nobody is watching over them
[03:47] <tony_> but it says its instlalled when i dbl click the icon again
[03:47] <rabbitear> even the nice ones get nasty evenutally!
[03:47] <kbrooks> dli: we dont do that
[03:47] <rabbitear> :)
[03:47] <rabbitear> brb
[03:47] <starman> wouldnt it be approximately the same as not having an L3 cache?? I do not know much about this but some1 may be able to clarify this to me
[03:47] <dli> tony_, I see, then, wine should make a link for you
[03:48] <tony_> where would the link be at?
[03:48] <tony_> dli: sorry..im a noob
[03:48] <sethk> dli, I can't wait until someday I'll be an op, and I'll kick everybody on the channel except for me.  I might even ban myself.
[03:48] <dli> tony_, however, it's not so difficult to find the .exe in your fake_windows, and make the link
[03:48] <luke> is it difficult to install Nvidia drivers on Ubuntu?
[03:48] <noiesmo> no
[03:48] <tony_> is the fake windows in my sbin?
[03:48] <dli> luke, should be easy, follow the ubuntu nvidia howto
[03:48] <noiesmo> ubotu, tell luke about nvidia
[03:48] <tony_> i dont understand where its located
[03:49] <luke> dli noiesmo I tried to, but i couldnt find my kernel source
[03:49] <dli> tony_, should be under your ~/.wine, if not sure, run "winecfg"
[03:49] <dli> luke, does the howto mention something like "linux-headers"?
[03:49] <noiesmo> luke install the kernel headers should do it
[03:49] <luke> ah ic ty guys
[03:49] <tony_> k..this is going to sound stupid..but how do i get to ~.wine?
[03:50] <dli> sethk: I forgot the nick of the op who jumped out, warned almost everyone, "off-topic"
[03:50] <luke> i want to try out Xgl, looks pretty cool
[03:50] <starman> luke it is incredibly hard
[03:50] <starman> sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx
[03:50] <sethk> dli, happens sometimes, I know.  I'm an op on some other channels, but I haven't kicked anybody in at least two months
[03:50] <Fujitsu> like, it's fairly easy. Join #ubuntu-xgl for discussion.
[03:51] <starman> you can also download linux sources, compile them and then compile nvidia.   Too much ego.  This one doesn't usually suffer from that.
[03:51] <tony_> one more question dli..
[03:52] <sethk> dli, the only trouble I have here is when they yell at me for not going along with the "root is disabled" myth
[03:52] <tony_> how do i launch the application?
[03:52] <walkonwater> how can I change date and time from the CLI?
[03:52] <walkonwater> how can I change date and time from the CLI? as the toolbar wont load
[03:52] <dli> sethk, yet, who wants to live in a communist state?
[03:52] <sethk> walkonwater, the date command
[03:52] <walkonwater> sethk: type "date"?
[03:52] <sethk> walkonwater, you have to be root to change it
[03:52] <sethk> walkonwater, yes.  man date will show you the format to change the time and/or date
[03:52] <dli> sethk, right, then, I have type "sudo" again and again to help someone
[03:53] <walkonwater> sethk: jhow do I get root?
[03:53] <dli> tony_, "wine foo.exe"
[03:53] <tony_> thank you
[03:53] <rabbitear> in way it is kinda sad, its irc.......
[03:53] <nagi> bye.
[03:53] <sethk> walkonwater, root is there.  If you did the default install, then the password isn't set.  use "sudo passwd" to set the root password
[03:53] <rabbitear> you don't have the ablity to see how nasty somebody really is
[03:53] <rabbitear> lol