[09:04] <kim0> Morning everyone
[12:51] <niemeyer> Buenos dias!
[13:07] <kim0> Buenos dias amigos :)
[13:39] <niemeyer> kim0: Que tal? :-)
[13:40] <kim0> :)
[13:48] <ahasenack> were you guys thinking about doing some presentation at Brazil's FISL?
[14:34] <niemeyer> ahasenack: It's a good question
[14:34] <niemeyer> ahasenack: It'd be quite handy
[14:34] <niemeyer> ahasenack: It seems to overlap with the platform sprint, though :(
[17:03] <jimbaker`> kim0, niemeyer - morning!
[17:03] <kim0> jimbaker`: o/ hey
[17:03] <jimbaker`> my talk at amazon went well
[17:03] <jimbaker`> i actually had a chance to explain ensemble to guido van rossum
[17:04] <kim0> jimbaker`: woohoo! sounds cool
[17:04] <jimbaker`> fwiw, he immediately made the connection to apparently a similar internal orchestration system used at google
[17:05] <kim0> jimbaker`: I suppose he didn't really reveal any interesting info about that system
[17:06] <jimbaker`> kim0, i'm afraid not ;)
[17:06] <kim0> yeah hehe
[17:07] <koolhead17> hi all
[17:07] <koolhead17> kim0: am yet to get the approval from eucalyptus website
[17:07] <koolhead17> jimbaker`: waoo
[17:07] <koolhead17> niemeyer: hi
[17:07] <kim0> koolhead17: #ubuntu-cloud and bug obino (he's from eucalyptus systems) :)
[17:08] <koolhead17> kim0: am there :P
[17:09] <kim0> :) I notice
[17:09] <koolhead17> haha
[17:32] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-service-watch r228 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:32] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[17:34] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Morning
[17:34] <jimbaker`> niemeyer, morning
[17:35] <niemeyer> koolhead17: Hey
[17:37] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: So, expose now?
[17:37] <jimbaker`> niemeyer, indeed
[17:40] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Ok, so as we discussed before UDS, the plan is to split it up in reasonable sized branches?
[17:40] <jimbaker`> niemeyer, exactly
[17:41] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Ok.. can you please file bugs for the actual in progress branches as you go, and ensure https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/kanban/dublin.html reflects real activity?
[17:41] <jimbaker`> so i have branches for the machine's service units, watching a service, managing the open ports node
[17:41] <jimbaker`> for example
[17:42] <jimbaker`> niemeyer, i will update that accordingly
[17:42] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Thanks
[17:44] <niemeyer> rog: Welcome
[17:44] <rog> niemeyer: hi! thanks.
[17:47] <niemeyer> On my end I'm pushing the lpad Launchpad library for Go still.. good progress there
[17:48] <rog> is there a link somewhere?
[17:49] <niemeyer> rog: Yeah.. it's not the latest stuff, but there's some good info here already:
[17:49] <niemeyer> http://goneat.org/lp/lpad
[17:50] <niemeyer> rog: This is almost complete in terms of the patterns we have to cover
[17:50] <niemeyer> rog: But the API is quite extensive, so there's some good work to get it all in place
[17:50] <niemeyer> rog: I'm actually planning to send golang-nuts a mail once I finish the details I'm working on right now
[17:50] <niemeyer> Asking for help
[17:51] <niemeyer> rog: a hand there would be welcome
[17:51] <rog> how's launchpad used within the context of ensemble?
[17:51] <niemeyer> rog: We'll back formulas there
[17:51] <niemeyer> rog: Source branches with the formula content
[17:51] <rog> seems sensible
[17:52] <niemeyer> rog: and will interact with Launchpad from the formula repository (Go)
[17:52] <rog> (unless it becomes a bottleneck, of course)
[17:52] <niemeyer> rog: That's not an issue.. is a concern for a long time
[17:52] <niemeyer> rog: Erm
[17:52] <niemeyer> rog: That's not an issue.. scalability is a concern for a long time
[17:53] <niemeyer> rog: The design of that API is two-layered
[17:53]  * rog loves the Go style of documentation
[17:53] <niemeyer> rog: There's a dynamic API in the bottom, which can do anything with Launchpad
[17:54] <niemeyer> rog: But is not ideal in terms of typing and documentation
[17:54] <niemeyer> rog: then, there's a static "model" layer which actually knows about which objects support which operations etc
[17:54] <niemeyer> rog: Which is more convenient to use
[17:54] <niemeyer> rog: IRCNick there is an example
[17:54] <niemeyer> rog: The Resource interface is the dynamic part
[17:55] <rog> i'd just realised that
[17:55] <rog> (not quite at the bottom on the doc page :-])
[17:55] <niemeyer> rog: As you can see, every model object is actually just a wrapper to Resource, which knows specifics about the given type
[17:56] <rog> i wasn't joking about liking go docs. it's just great to have it all in one place with links to the source.
[17:56] <niemeyer> rog: I'm now implementing an example of iteration over a list and custom operations in the model
[17:56] <niemeyer> rog: True!
[17:56] <niemeyer> rog: Once I finish this, I think we have all patterns covered, and just need to extend it to cover the whole API
[17:57] <rog> no inheritance! i've been dealing with some mac os objective C docs recently and the documentation is all over the place.
[17:57] <niemeyer> rog: Indeed!
[17:57] <rog> you don't describe what you mean by a "model"
[17:57] <niemeyer> rog: It's also cool because a Person wraps a Resource, and is *also* a Resource itself
[17:58] <niemeyer> rog: The model is the static layer
[17:58] <niemeyer> rog: Resource is the dynamic one
[17:58] <niemeyer> rog: So, e.g. IRCNick is part of the model
[17:59] <niemeyer> rog: I realize it's just specialization of generic terminology, but I guess it fits reasonably well in this case
[17:59] <rog> i'm not quite sure what you mean by the name "model" in this context
[17:59] <niemeyer> rog: IRCNick is part of the Launchpad object model
[17:59] <niemeyer> rog: Resource is lower level generic REST
[18:00] <rog> ah, so they're kinda of objects
[18:00] <niemeyer> rog: Yeah.. or types if you're into Go ;-)
[18:00] <rog> yeah
[18:00] <niemeyer> rog: This has the full Launchpad API docs:
[18:00] <niemeyer> https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html
[18:01] <niemeyer> rog: This is the IRCNick backing, for the sake of understanding:
[18:01] <niemeyer> https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html#irc_id
[18:02]  * rog didn't know about http PATCH methods
[18:03] <rog> i think maybe Entity might be a better name than Model
[18:03] <rog> Model implies it's modelling something - i found it a bit confusing
[18:04] <niemeyer> rog: The model is composed of entities
[18:04] <rog> but maybe i'm just not into the REST thing enough :-)
[18:05] <niemeyer> rog: I'm not sure it's related to REST.. the name just sounded generic enough and not too far off, so criticism accepted.
[18:05] <rog> niemeyer: so there's more than one entity represented by a Resource?
[18:06] <niemeyer> rog: Every type in the model is actually a Resource..
[18:07] <niemeyer> rog: More simply, you can think of a Resource as a JSON blob which is seen in a given URL
[18:07] <rog> that's what i thought
[18:07] <niemeyer> rog: But specific URLs will return the same "kind" of JSON blob
[18:07] <rog> yeah
[18:07] <niemeyer> rog: This may be helpful as well:
[18:07] <niemeyer> https://help.launchpad.net/API/Hacking
[18:08] <rog> Resource is fine, i think, but i think you could probably get rid of all instances of the term "model"
[18:08] <rog> i don't think it helps
[18:09] <niemeyer> rog: I'm fine with that
[18:09] <niemeyer> rog: But we'll need something else to put in its place :)
[18:09] <rog> e.g. // NewResource creates a new resource type.  Creating resources explicitly
[18:09] <rog> / is generally not necessary.  If you're trying to access a location in
[18:09] <rog> / the Launchpad API which doesn't have a dedicated type yet,
[18:09] <rog> / Link and Location methods on the Resource interface for more convenient
[18:09] <rog> / ways to create resources.
[18:10] <rog> i think "dedicated type" may be better than "static model"
[18:10] <rog> i like the idea anyway
[18:12] <rog> that's strange, why is the doc for Root.Me not next to the Root type
[18:12] <rog> ?
[18:13] <niemeyer> rog: Hmm.. it is?
[18:14] <niemeyer> rog: Regarding the term, I don't expect we'll be talking to people about that either way.. it's more about the internal organization than about how we'll expose it
[18:15] <niemeyer> rog, jimbaker, robbiew: I need to run an errand.. will be back to finish that stuff in ~1h
[18:16] <robbiew> ack
[18:16] <niemeyer> biab
[18:19] <rog> niemeyer: i was just talking from the point of view of understanding that package on its own. i think the API is pretty good - just that bit confused me.
[18:26] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-open-ports-node r227 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:26] <_mup_> Initial commit
[18:27] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-open-ports-node r228 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:27] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[18:41] <koolhead17> i have eucalyptus account now. kim0 next step please sir!! :)
[18:44] <kim0> koolhead17: hey .. that's cool
[18:44] <kim0> koolhead17: I guess the next step would be to make sure you can launch instances using euca-xxx tools
[18:45] <kim0> koolhead17: once that's ok, we'll try to use ensemble to launch those instances
[18:45] <kim0> for that, we'll need some help from devs here
[18:45] <koolhead17> okey.
[18:49]  * koolhead17 goes back to read eucalyptus beginners guide!!
[18:57] <_mup_> Bug #785343 was filed: Expose needs support for watching services and service units <Ensemble:In Progress by jimbaker> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/785343 >
[19:00] <_mup_> Bug #785344 was filed: Expose needs to be able to retrieve service units for a machine <Ensemble:In Progress by jimbaker> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/785344 >
[19:14] <_mup_> Bug #785352 was filed: Expose needs support for managing a service unit's open ports <Ensemble:In Progress by jimbaker> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/785352 >
[19:25] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-open-ports-node r229 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:25] <_mup_> Doc strings
[19:25] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-open-ports-node r230 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:25] <_mup_> PEP8
[19:30] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-open-ports-node r231 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:30] <_mup_> Missing doc string
[19:43] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-service-watch r229 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:43] <_mup_> Removed sleeps
[19:57] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-machine-service-units r228 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:57] <_mup_> Tests
[19:58] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-machine-service-units r229 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:58] <_mup_> PEP8
[19:58] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-machine-service-units r230 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:58] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[20:09] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-machine-service-units r231 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:09] <_mup_> Better comments
[20:13]  * niemeyer waves
[20:23] <jimbaker`> niemeyer, http://ensemble.ubuntu.com/kanban/dublin.html is not updating
[20:24] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Let me look at that
[20:24] <jimbaker`> niemeyer, also, do you want to have a standup today?
[20:25] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Hmm.. not sure.. probably not unless you'd like to talk about something about the expose/unexpose support
[20:25] <jimbaker`> niemeyer, no, i think everything is going well on that plan
[20:26] <jimbaker`> i just submitted 3 supporting branches for review per earlier discussion
[20:27] <jimbaker`> the only thing that took time was making sure i got the sleep removal aspects solid, so i carefully looked through those tests
[20:27] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Sounds great.. I'll have a look through those as soon as I manage to finish the broken test I have
[20:27] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Hmm
[20:27] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: Ok
[20:29] <niemeyer> Actually, let me sort out the kanban first
[20:32] <niemeyer> rog: Btw, I forgot to mention MVC.. that's why I think model is suitable for the concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93view%E2%80%93controller
[20:33] <rog> niemeyer: yeah, i know about MVC but i think it's too abstract to be useful as a description here
[20:33] <niemeyer> rog: It's exactly the same idea I think
[20:34] <rog> the thing is, i don't think there's a need to invoke the name - there's no type that represents it.
[20:34] <niemeyer> rog: Agreed
[20:35] <niemeyer> rog: It's just useful as a high-level description of package organization really
[20:36] <rog> i don't think you need it. when you say "static model" you could say "dedicated type" or something similar and it would be more comprehensible i think
[20:37] <rog> using "model" only makes sense if you've couched the whole thing in terms of MVC, which you haven't
[20:37] <rog> AFAICS you've got a general purpose type (Resource) and a number of special-purpose types which layer on it
[20:38] <niemeyer> rog: The domain model of an application/library/whatever is a well understood concept I think.. but either way, this is all pretty irrelevant in the big picture
[20:38] <rog> those don't even need to be static types BTW
[20:38] <rog> sure, i just found that it made the docs for that package a bit hard to understand ("what does that term mean here?")
[20:39] <niemeyer> rog: Sure, we can avoid using the term in the docs
[20:39] <rog> 'cos in essence it's pretty simple and nice - it'd be nice if that could shine though!
[20:50] <niemeyer> Hah, sweet, problem fixed
[20:50]  * niemeyer does some real interactions with Launchpad
[21:10] <niemeyer> Burn Launchpad CPU, burn..
[21:22] <niemeyer> "Had 5732 results, iterated over 5732.".. good
[22:39] <niemeyer> Alright!
[22:40] <niemeyer> Iteration works, new lpad pushed
[22:40] <niemeyer> rog: Check out FindMembers/FindPeople/FindTeams, if you're curious
[22:41] <niemeyer> That's the good news..
[22:41] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: The bad news is I won't get to your branches today
[22:44] <niemeyer> jimbaker`: But please keep pushing this stuff
[22:53] <jimbaker`> niemeyer, not a problem
[22:57] <niemeyer> robbiew: Very cool, +1!
[22:58] <robbiew> huh..what?
[23:16] <niemeyer_> Ok, I need a nap.. I'll see y'all later/tomorrow
[23:18] <jimbaker`> niemeyer_, take care!


[02:00] <valorie> mparillo: have you done release notes?
[02:00] <valorie> I gave blood today and still feel a bit weird
 The missing "remove media" bug at then end of install has been fixed with latest iso.
[02:01] <valorie> cool!
[02:01] <valorie> o/ @DarinMiller
 I know I prematurely said this before, but I verified with over 30 tests....the alt-tab using the large icon task switcher with NVidia driver on a hybrid laptop is also fixed!  (If that's not an extreme corner case, then I don't know what is..... :))
[02:09] <valorie> that is extemely good news!
[02:09] <valorie> this could be the cycle in which I test wayland on this lappy!
 Wayland works quite well.  I am still not happy with high dpi mixed with a non-high dpi monitor.  Forcing the Font DPI seems to produce better results than the non 1:1 scaling.  When using scaling, even with 0.05 increments, some apps (chrome, telegram, etc) using some sort of blurry pixel doubling and are not crisp and clear like a native KDE app.
[02:22] <valorie> interesting
 However, a comfortable low dpi font is too small on high dpi (and visa versa).  So I choose a comprise font size that frustrates me on both displays.... A per diplay font seems like the best solution, but I have not seen that on an DE's radar.
[02:23] <valorie> might be time for a "wish" bug on bugs.kde.org
[02:23]  * valorie has only the monitor the lappy comes with
 I booted Ubuntu 19.10 to see if they handle mixed dpi environments any better.  Other than defaulting to a 2:1 scale on the high DPi display,  Gnome seems to have few options for customizing (note: I did not install and add the extended gnome customizations).
[02:28] <valorie> interesting
[02:28] <valorie> would be nice to pull ahead of them on the wayland front
 Wayland has improved so much, that I find myself checking ksysgard to see which platform I am running.
[02:29] <valorie> that is reallllllly good news
 BTW, did you watch Alen's vlog testing the new releases?
[02:32] <valorie> I didn't
[02:32] <valorie> haven't been home much
 I was curious how he captured his external laptop screen to his desktop.  He must be using a video capture device, which makes me wonder what he was using and what software he used to grab the external display, his video feed and the youtube chat window all on a single broadcast screen...  pretty slick demo...
[02:35] <valorie> I'm sure he's willing to tell ya
 yes, I will definitely inquire....
 One missing feature on Wayland is middle click mouse pasting.  I use that all time when coding/editing.  I switch back to X when I am working on anything but very short projects.
[02:48] <valorie> wow, that's a biggie
 @DarinMiller, Was out for a 🍺, so no
 morning
[09:48] <mparillo> Rik beat me to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[09:55] <RikMills> mparillo: though I may as well when the beta one was more or less it anyway
[09:55] <RikMills> *thought
[09:57] <mparillo> I think you heavily corrected my beta wiki post, and then must have pasted it into the release notes.
[10:00] <RikMills> beta seems so long ago I forget to be honest
[10:00] <RikMills> Plasma 5.17 is out today
[10:00] <RikMills> built in staging and ready to go
[10:00] <RikMills> to backports ppa that is
[10:15] <vip> hi there
[10:54] <mparillo> Will there be another respin for the sudo CVE (not as serious as the headlines would suggest IMHO)?
[10:55] <mparillo> https://www.sudo.ws/alerts/minus_1_uid.html
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:33] <RikMills> mparillo: fixed sudo is in the unapproved queue, but don't know more than that
 https://twitter.com/kdecommunity/status/1184081651049160704
 It is in the backports PPA for Eoan
[12:41] <vip> Any chance for disco?
[12:43] <RikMills> vip: not doing for disco as it will break upgrades to Eoan. You can tell people to ppa-purge, but they forget
[12:45] <vip> ok, so I'll to upgrade :)
[16:39] <kinghat> i think you said previously that 5.17 wont be in kubuntu 19.10, correct?
[16:45] <mparillo> While not on the ISO, but Plasma 5.17.x is almost certain to be available in a PPA.
[16:46] <mparillo> Speaking of the ISO, it is available for testing: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/407/builds/201125/testcases
[16:49] <kinghat> mparillo: ya i just mean as the default. figured as much about the ppa.
[18:18] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Final] has been updated (20191015)
[19:03] <RikMills> new iso!
[22:15] <mparillo> In #ubuntu-release, I see [17:21] <bittin_>  burning the iso with fixed sudo now :). I assume that is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/407/builds/201180/testcases
[22:16] <mparillo> Completely untested so far. On the first two, Popey was so fast.


[02:39] <haven> Hi, I have a question about Ubuntu 14.10 torrent downloads and hashmarks.  I have downloaded Ubuntu Studio 14.10 64-bit via BitTorrent twice, and I got the same hashmark both times, but it doesn't match the MD5SUMS listed on the page
[02:44] <haven> It seems odd to me that it would get the same wrong hashmark twice in a row.
[02:49] <coelebs> haven: are you sure it's md5suns and not some other hash?
[02:50] <haven> Good question.  Yes, it's md5sums
[02:51] <coelebs> weird. i thought bittorrent would auto correct file
[02:52] <Unit193> It checks hashes, so of course it does.  Where did you get the md5sum exactly and what torrent?
[02:52] <haven> Well, let me rephrase that.  On the Properties screen of Transmission, it's listed as a "Hash" and I checked the MD5SUMS.  I looked at the other hashes on the Ubuntu Studio page and they looked completely different.
[02:53] <coelebs> you didnt run md5sums yourself?
[02:53] <Unit193> haven: That'd likely be the infohash..
[02:54] <haven> Hmm...interesting.  Let me try running md5sums and see
[02:56] <haven> actually, i'm trying to remember how to run md5sums.  I know i did it with a separate install but don't remember how now.
[02:57] <Unit193> md5sum file.iso
[02:57] <haven> in terminal mode?
[03:05] <haven> it keeps on telling me there's no such file or directory
[03:07] <haven> oh wait, I got it.
[03:09] <haven> it matches.  Thanks for your help!
[03:19] <Unit193> Sure thing. :)
[03:37] <exxxit> hello everyone! I´m getting an error while updating. The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available. 15 of these messages actually. any help on fixing this please? thanks
[03:49] <holstein> delt: you may need both
[03:49] <holstein> delt: i would expect issues, and workarounds as gtk changes
[03:49] <Unit193> exxxit: Did you add any extra repos/ppas?
[03:50] <holstein> !ppa
[08:32] <hd> Ubuntu Studio 14.10 are operating nicely.
[18:38] <delt> hello
[18:38] <delt> i think my laptop has a slight problem with localization....
[18:39] <delt> at least xfce4-terminal... take a look: http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/xfce4-terminal-locale.png
[18:40] <holstein> you mean, your xfce4-terminal settings? delt ?
[18:41] <holstein> i know, one thing i do is use terminator.. i think most folks have a favorite term emulator
[18:41] <delt> terminator?
[18:41] <delt> xfce's term has always worked great for me.
[18:41] <holstein> delt: ok
[18:42] <delt> but i'm open to trying out others =) of course
[18:42] <holstein> delt: i thought you were demonstrating a point where its actually *not* working well for you
[18:42] <holstein> !info terminator
[18:42] <delt> haha, you are right as always my friend :D i forgot to mention that slight little detail
[18:43] <holstein> im not sure if you are openting a file there, or typing? or parsing, piping..
[18:43] <delt> ok, gonna check it out..... i'll be back (get it :D )
[18:43] <holstein> looks to me like an error message about a file..
[18:43] <delt> oh in that screenshot, compiling
[18:43] <holstein> compiling what?
[18:43] <delt> xfce stuff
[18:44] <holstein> you are compiling xfce4-terminal? why?
[18:44] <delt> no, not terminal
[18:44] <holstein> anyways, where ever you get the "source" for that will be responsible for the support
[18:44] <holstein> we dont even directly change anything in the repos..
[18:44] <holstein> all the xfce stuff just comes into studio
[18:44] <holstein> thats the "rub".. if you want to use other software than what is in the repos..
[18:45] <delt> see, i'm currently working on implementing "zoom" (old mac) style window animations to xfce's window manager
[18:45] <holstein> sure..
[18:45] <holstein> expect issues as you change large parts of the system from the default versions
[18:45] <delt> those little animations that show you where a window is "going to" or "coming from" when you minimize, close, open, etc...
[18:46] <holstein> sure.. i always just use something with compositing.. a "plugin".. or a window manager that just does what i want
[18:46] <delt> like i was telling you a while ago, i installed linux on my parents laptop, because they were sick of windows always crashing.. but sometimes they were confused about where to click to get a window back, or stuff like that.
[18:46] <holstein> sure
[18:46] <holstein> so, try something more like what they had
[18:46] <holstein> mate
[18:47] <holstein> there would be "training" involved in even a newer version of windows..
[18:47] <delt> so, after my neighbour asked me to fix stuff on his mac, i was "inspired" to try installing a modified osx on my laptop (didn't work very well) then on my desktop machine
[18:48] <delt> so, these nifty little animations in osx reminded me of the good old days where i was a teenager composing music on a mac plus :D :D :D
[18:48] <holstein> sure
[18:48] <delt> and i thought... hey, why doesn't xfce have those?
[18:48] <holstein> there are default distros that just do that
[18:48] <holstein> deepin, etc..
[18:48] <delt> yeah, kde, etc etc
[18:48] <holstein> delt: xfce doesnt have them... thats all
[18:48] <delt> but i like xfce
[18:48] <delt> until now
[18:49] <holstein> delt: if you want to hack at it, you can, and you will likely break it pretty badly, and make it run unstable/slow
[18:49] <delt> i'm working with the guys in #xfce-dev
[18:49] <holstein> i would go to a rolling release with the most current versions of xfce, and go from there
[18:49] <holstein> delt: sure, but you are not working with a distro that has those packages
[18:49] <delt> i took several (bad) approaches, now i think i'm (mostly) on the right track....
[18:50] <delt> it's a good thing for me to work on this project, because my C was kind of rusty (since the college days i hadn't been actively coding)
[18:51] <holstein> the issue will be, when you change a lot of xubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntustudio around.. you cant get support in the ubuntu community, becasue you are not using ubuntu anymore..a nd you cant get support at xfce, since, you are using the unstable packages..
[18:51] <holstein> not that thats a big deal for a "power user", who keeps things backed up.. but, giving a system like this to a new linux user could be quite bad.. with an unstable UI..
[18:52] <delt> yeah i know
[18:53] <delt> but i'd be really glad if my zoomanim stuff makes it into the next version :D or maybe it will take a bit longer until it's reviewed, alpha/beta tested, and considered stable enough to be part of the main xfce branch
[18:53] <holstein> delt: if its implemented, it will be implemented
[18:53] <holstein> delt: you have many ways to make what you want zoom..
[18:53] <delt> ....?
[18:53] <delt> 13:51 < holstein> delt: if its implemented, it will be implemented
[18:53] <holstein> delt: correct
[18:53] <delt> dunno if i understand what you meant.
[18:54] <holstein> delt: you want zoom.. and thats *great*.. but, you dont have to wait around on xfce to implement it
[18:54] <holstein> when i wanted zoom, i put compiz back on.. and used that
[18:54] <holstein> i also, after that, used a few other compositors with zoom
[18:54] <delt> but i want xfce to have zoom, so i started coding
[18:54] <holstein> worked fine.
[18:54] <holstein> sure. the issue is, others dont
[18:55] <delt> that's why i added settings to enable/disable it
[18:55] <delt> and they are off by default on a new/default install
[18:56] <delt> right now i'm futzing around with having the notify and indicator panel plugin add an Xproperty to the root window, to map icon geometries to WM_CLASS names
[18:57] <delt> without stepping on each other's toes (ie. overwriting what the other is putting there0
[18:57] <delt> )
[18:57] <delt> waiting for the main xfce dev/maintainer to add a function to the api... someone else is also (he wants to implement window thumbnails)
[18:58] <delt> s/api/compositor api/
[19:00] <delt> anyway, back to coding... thanks very much for your help/input/opinions
[19:00] <delt> (and no, i'm not installing compiz on my parents laptop)
[20:39] <xxavi> hi
[20:39] <xxavi> how can I change the TTY resolution ?
[20:41] <Unit193> This should do it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[20:47] <xxavi> Unit193: don't work this solution for me
[21:21] <holstein> xxavi: do you have a question that i can help you with?
[21:24] <studio_> hy
[21:33] <xxavi> holstein: yes; how can I change the TTY resolution ?
[21:34] <holstein> !tty
[21:34] <holstein> xxavi: the link Unit193 shared is where i would start..
[21:34] <holstein> if it didnt work, i would share an error, or a message..
[21:36] <xxavi> ubottu, holstein: simply that solution ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution ) don't change the resolution
[21:38] <Unit193> Care to share /var/log/boot.log ?
[23:32] <xxavi> Unit193: http://pastebin.com/YeH00P0C
[23:34] <Unit193> Bah, doesn't hit soon enough.


[14:48] <bjsnider> ricotz, i'm getting .xsession-errors spammed by a gnome 3-centric message and they told me to talk to you about it
[14:51] <bjsnider> GConf error: configuration server cant be met: D-BUS error: Method "Set" with signature "s(i(ias))" on interface "org.gnome.GConf.Database" doesn't exist
[14:52] <ricotz> bjsnider, hi
[14:53] <ricotz> hmm, i have nothing to do with a non working gcond daemon ;)
[14:53] <ricotz> *gconf
[14:53] <ricotz> looks like your org.gnome.GConf service is broken
[14:54] <bjsnider> yeah but what is it?
[14:55] <ricotz> /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconfd-2 isnt working
[14:55] <ricotz> use d-feet to look at this dbus interface
[15:04] <bjsnider> yeah, so it's a session bus, and it has no object paths at all
[15:04] <bjsnider> when i select it, the console spits out:
[15:04] <bjsnider> ERROR: Some clever service is trying to be cute and has the same method name in the same interface
[15:08] <ricotz> ok, then gconf is broken for some reason
[15:09] <bjsnider> what do you think i should do about it?
[15:09] <bjsnider> and this ain't just me, by the way. there's a bug against the wrong package, and if you do a search it seems like a lot of people running gnome-shell in oneiric have this issue
[15:10] <bjsnider> bug 842648
[15:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 842648 in gnome-python (Ubuntu) "Dbus error: Method "set" with signature "s(ib)" on interface "org.gnome.gconf.database" doesn't exist (dup-of: 848198)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842648
[15:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 848198 in gconf (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Sporadic gconf error messages (affects: 8) (dups: 4) (heat: 54)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848198
[15:12] <bjsnider> i didn't notice that it was a duplicate of 848198
[15:12] <bjsnider> i guess this is known
[15:13] <ricotz> yes, seems to affect at lot of people
[15:13] <seb128> somebody should get the log upstream asking then
[15:13] <seb128> king->ked
[15:13] <seb128> I've added a comment on the bug
[15:14] <bjsnider> funny because i was in the gnome-shell channel alst night and they didn't know anything about it
[15:14] <bjsnider> one of them said he didn't have org.gnome.Gconf
[15:15] <bjsnider> i think evolution might be spamming my .xsession-errors with this stuff:
[15:16] <bjsnider> (exe:3448): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[15:16] <bjsnider> it's got to be a mono app if it's an exe
[15:16] <jcristau> evo is a mono app now?
[15:16] <bjsnider> well, i thguth it was
[15:16] <bjsnider> maybe not
[15:17] <jcristau> pretty sure not.
[15:17] <seb128> it's not
[15:20] <bjsnider> what process could be identifying itself as "exe"?
[15:22] <seb128> bjsnider, looking which one has the pid 3448?
[15:22] <bjsnider> thought that number meant something else
[15:27] <bjsnider> that's chromium
[17:05] <cnd> bryceh: Sarvatt: I just upgraded my netbook to oneiric, but X crashes as soon as I attempt to login
[17:05] <cnd> have you seen this before?
[17:07] <Sarvatt> cnd: only with xorg-edgers where unity is broken and it goes back to the login screen again.. tried another session?
[17:07] <cnd> hmmm… that sounds like what's going on
[17:07] <cnd> but I don't think I'm running xorg-edgers
[17:07] <cnd> let me check
[17:08] <cnd> nope, no xorg-edgers
[17:08] <cnd> it looks like the guest session is working
[17:08] <cnd> for some definition of working...
[17:08] <Sarvatt> whats your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old say?
[17:08] <cnd> nothing useful
[17:09] <Sarvatt> why are ya blaming X then? :P
[17:09] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ offer to install anything?
[17:09] <cnd> unity 2d has problems too
[17:09] <cnd> nothing new for ubuntu-desktop
[17:10] <cnd> unity-2d seemed to crash lightdm so it stopped runing
[17:10] <cnd> I had to sudo start lightdm...
[17:10] <Sarvatt> with the circumflex? darn, that would have been the easy fix if something was removed
[17:11] <Sarvatt> how about ~/.xsession-errors?
[17:12] <cnd> I think I figured it out by looking at the lightdm.log
[17:12] <cnd> somehow my ~/.Xauthority was 600 root:root
[17:13] <cnd> so it couldn't overwrite it with a new one for the session
[17:13] <cnd> now I'm into my session, but unity is no where to be seen...
[17:13] <cnd> I have the menu bar at the top
[17:13] <cnd> and empathy is helpfully running
[17:13] <cnd> but that's it :(
[17:14] <cnd> gah, "Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing"
[17:14] <Sarvatt> hmm someone else reported that too, compiz wouldn't start
[17:14] <cnd> yeah
[17:15] <Sarvatt> lets see if i can find the bug # in 2 day old chat logs
[17:15] <cnd> this is on an atom machine
[17:17] <cnd> unity 2d saves the day :)
[17:18] <Sarvatt> it should still work fine, thats a pretty nasty bug
[17:23] <cnd> what happened to the 51-synaptics-quirks.conf file?
[17:27] <cnd> hmm, the file is still there in the package
[17:27] <cnd> but I'm betting a change has prevented it from installing
[17:28] <cnd> my netbook trackpad is pretty useless without the quirk...
[17:29] <Sarvatt> looks like it was lost in the merge in feb
[17:30] <Sarvatt> err july
[17:30] <cnd> I can't even build xserver-xorg-input-synaptics...
[17:30] <cnd> dpkg-source: warning: the diff modifies the following upstream files:
[17:30] <cnd>  autogen.sh
[17:30] <cnd>  docs/README.alps
[17:30] <cnd>  docs/tapndrag.dia
[17:30] <cnd>  docs/trouble-shooting.txt
[17:30] <cnd>  test/test-pad.c
[17:30] <cnd>  test/testprotocol.c
[17:30] <cnd> dpkg-source: error: aborting due to --abort-on-upstream-changes
[17:31] <tjaalton> oops
[17:32] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: i blame it on it having been done in dublin :)
[17:32] <Sarvatt> on a friday
[17:32] <tjaalton> i haven't checked out where exactly it got dropped
[17:33] <Sarvatt> debian/rules got switched to dh in the merge and lost the custom install of the quirks
[17:33] <tjaalton> meh
[17:33] <tjaalton> ok so I need to fix it then :)
[17:34] <cnd> and hopefully the accidental (?) upstream changes
[17:34] <tjaalton> that I don't know
[17:34] <tjaalton> how they crept in
[17:34] <tjaalton> but I'll check
[17:36] <cnd> as it is I don't know how to build the package
[17:37] <tjaalton> umm, so the tarball doesn't have autogen.sh
[17:37] <tjaalton> nor the docs dir
[17:38] <tjaalton> not my fault! :)
[17:46] <Sarvatt> cnd: package in the archive and the ubuntu branch of git build fine here..
[17:46] <Sarvatt> cnd: do you have something in ~/.devscripts changing the defaults?
[17:47] <cnd> hah, I do
[17:47] <cnd> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="--source-option=--abort-on-upstream-changes"
[17:47] <cnd> good call :)
[17:47] <Sarvatt> i had to purge xorg-edgers to try it, sorry it took so long :)
[17:50] <tjaalton> hmm, doubt we need the udev rules anymore
[17:51] <tjaalton> in synaptics, better use MatchProduct in the conf snippet instead
[17:54] <cnd> Sarvatt, tjaalton: the njpatel from dx is telling me that's a fairly basic opengl extension
[17:54] <cnd> and that if it's not supported then there's probably something wrong with the drivers
[17:55] <Sarvatt> yeah, its supported though
[17:55] <cnd> Sarvatt, can you double check my glxinfo to see if they are misreading it? :)
[17:55] <cnd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/699227/
[17:56] <cnd> glxinfo is voodoo to me
[17:56] <Sarvatt> cnd: yeah it's there
[17:57] <Sarvatt> cnd: can you compiz --replace and have it start up fine in another session?
[17:57] <Sarvatt> fine as in, not throwing that error
[17:57] <cnd> Sarvatt, you're saying that glxinfo shows the extension is there?
[17:58] <Sarvatt> cnd: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is there all 3 times
[17:58] <cnd> ok
[17:59] <njpatel> Sarvatt, hey, cnd got this when running "Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing"
[18:00] <Sarvatt> yeah
[18:00] <Sarvatt> its not missing though
[18:00] <njpatel> so, trying from the guest session might be useful debugging
[18:00] <cnd> yay, we're all chatting in one room :)
[18:00] <njpatel> right, glxinfo shows it isn't
[18:00] <Sarvatt> i was asking if he could try compiz --replace from another session to see if it throws the same error
[18:00] <cnd> njpatel, it failed in the guest session too
[18:00] <njpatel> but something's up
[18:00] <cnd> I'll try compiz --replace right now
[18:01] <cnd> hmm, doesn't look promising
[18:01] <cnd> I seem to have lost all WM functionality
[18:01] <Sarvatt> did it give that error?
[18:01] <cnd> but my terminal window is behind my irc window
[18:02] <tjaalton> cnd: build synaptics git, and see if it fixes your touchpad
[18:02] <cnd> Sarvatt, njpatel ooo...
[18:02] <cnd> compiz --replace worked
[18:03] <cnd> and it seems to have brought unity 3d around
[18:03] <tjaalton> dbus daemon 100% cpu again..
[18:03] <tjaalton> sigh
[18:04] <cnd> tjaalton, I'll attempt it now
[18:04] <cnd> tjaalton, did you git push?
[18:04] <cnd> git fetch didn't find anything
[18:05] <tjaalton> I did
[18:05] <cnd> still nothing...
[18:05] <tjaalton> weird
[18:05] <cnd> oh wait
[18:05] <cnd> I'm in -evdev...
[18:05] <tjaalton> :P
[18:06] <tjaalton> one of those days? :)
[18:06] <cnd> yeah
[18:06] <cnd> it's always one of those days when I'm upgrading my main laptop
[18:07] <tjaalton> hehe
[18:07] <tjaalton> so what exactly did that compiz --replace do? i guess it's going to cause problems for normal users as well
[18:08] <cnd> tjaalton, what are you wanting to know?
[18:08] <cnd> I can pastebin the output
[18:08] <tjaalton> cnd: yeah, why not
[18:09] <cnd> tjaalton, pastebin.ubuntu.com/699239
[18:10] <Sarvatt> cnd: I bet gdm works ok too then..
[18:10] <cnd> cnd, ?
[18:10]  * cnd has started talking to himself...
[18:10] <cnd> Sarvatt, ?
[18:10] <cnd> I'm using lightdm
[18:10] <tjaalton> cnd: ok, so the migration didn't happen
[18:10] <tjaalton> automatically
[18:11] <cnd> hmm?
[18:11] <cnd> what migration?
[18:12] <Sarvatt> yeah he hasns't been able to start compiz to do the migration because glx isn't available when its trying to start for some reason
[18:12] <tjaalton> "Checking if settings need to be migrated ...yes"
[18:12] <tjaalton> ahh
[18:12] <tjaalton> ok
[18:12] <tjaalton> so it's too fast?-)
[18:12] <cnd> there was a complication in here
[18:12] <cnd> that may be throwing you off
[18:12] <Sarvatt> thats odd, how do you get a glxinfo from lightdm's DISPLAY?
[18:12] <cnd> I tried it locally
[18:13] <tjaalton> does a new login work then, and does moving the old compiz configs back in place break it again?
[18:13] <cnd> but it seemed hung
[18:13] <cnd> so then I did it over ssh
[18:13] <cnd> but the first one just hadn't finished whatever it was doing
[18:13] <cnd> ok, I'm getting lost in all the debugging steps, so I'm going to log out and log back in
[18:14] <cnd> this will also test if tjaalton's new synaptics package is working properly :)
[18:14] <tjaalton> good :)
[18:15] <tjaalton> check your xorg log too that MatchProduct works
[18:16] <cnd> tjaalton:
[18:16] <cnd> [  4593.602] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/event5)
[18:16] <cnd> [  4593.602] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad catchall"
[18:16] <cnd> [  4593.602] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
[18:16] <cnd> [  4593.602] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
[18:16] <cnd> doesn't look like it worked
[18:17] <tjaalton> so which model is it?
[18:17] <cnd> hmm, my product isn't listed in ther...
[18:17] <tjaalton> ha
[18:17] <cnd> oh wait, yes it is
[18:17] <cnd> it's the inspiron_1012
[18:18] <tjaalton> check if the quirks file is installed
[18:18] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: MatchProduct is for the device's product string not the dmi info it needs to be matched against?
[18:18] <cnd> ok, unity came up, after a ton of time
[18:18] <cnd> tjaalton: it's installed
[18:18] <tjaalton> ok
[18:19] <Sarvatt> touchpad would have the same product name as one that doesnt need the quirk i'd imagine
[18:19] <cnd> how can I get the product name so we can verify?
[18:20] <Sarvatt> dmesg | grep input, xinput --list
[18:21] <cnd> SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
[18:21] <jcristau> /proc/bus/input/devices
[18:21] <Sarvatt> xorg log
[18:21] <Sarvatt> yeah its generic
[18:21] <cnd> yep
[18:21] <tjaalton> crap
[18:21] <cnd> so the tags still need to be there
[18:21] <tjaalton> so.. udev rules back
[18:36] <tjaalton> hmm, I guess there's no reason to not include the quirks files in x-x-i-s.install, since we only support linux
[18:43] <tjaalton> cnd: ok, try again
[18:43] <tjaalton> argh
[18:43] <tjaalton> forgot to change 51-.. back
[18:44] <cnd> tjaalton: so I'll hold off for a minute?
[18:44] <tjaalton> yeah
[18:45] <tjaalton> cnd: now
[18:45] <cnd> ok
[18:54] <cnd> tjaalton: still not working
[18:55] <tjaalton> duh
[18:55] <tjaalton> hmm you need to reboot
[18:56] <tjaalton> i thikn
[18:56] <tjaalton> or not
[18:56] <tjaalton> no you don't
[18:56] <cnd> how can I replay udev events so I can see if the tag is right?
[18:57] <tjaalton> don't remember anymore
[18:58] <cnd> udevadm export-db it looks like
[18:59] <tjaalton> udevadm info --export-db
[19:00] <cnd> yeah
[19:00] <cnd> so I don't see the tags there
[19:00] <cnd> should they show up?
[19:00] <cnd> I can reboot if you think it would work
[19:00] <tjaalton> ah, run udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change
[19:01] <tjaalton> hmm, maybe I need to bump the version on the postinst, since this is sorta "new" now
[19:01] <cnd> still nothing in export-db matching my machine
[19:02] <tjaalton> ok
[19:02] <tjaalton> dunno, reboot wouldn't hurt I guess
[19:03] <tjaalton> though put the dump in a file first
[19:03] <cnd> the export-db dump?
[19:03] <tjaalton> yes
[19:03] <tjaalton> and, just to humor me, restart x
[19:04] <tjaalton> see if it's fixed after all
[19:04] <cnd> already start the reboot
[19:04] <tjaalton> ok
[19:07] <cnd> tjaalton: it worked!
[19:07] <cnd> the tag shows up in the udev db now too
[19:07] <cnd> so the reboot changed something
[19:09] <tjaalton> so the udevadm trigger didn't work ;)
[19:10] <cnd> tjaalton: I think you still have a few hours to get the fix in before the final freeze :)
[19:13] <tjaalton> cnd: heh, yep
[19:17] <tjaalton> uploaded
[20:22] <Sarvatt> 40 minutes until final freeze, where's the xserver 1.11 upload?!
[20:24] <jcristau> yeah srsly.
[20:29] <tjaalton> ooh, synaptics accepted
[22:01] <cnd> tjaalton: I don't see synaptics having been accepted...
[22:02] <cnd> oops, nm
[22:02] <cnd> looked at the wrong page
[23:00] <Sarvatt> RAOF: any desire for me to bring a pantone huey to UDS? figured you might care for some reason :)
[23:03] <Sarvatt> was just reading http://libregraphicsworld.org/articles.php?article_id=42 and picked one up since it looks well supported
[23:08] <Sarvatt> yeesh, article got deleted right after i linked it
[23:12] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yeah, that'd be awesome.
[23:13] <Sarvatt> well gotta make sure i get a working one first, looks like there are lots of screwed up ones that leave your colors too pink
[23:15] <Sarvatt> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=http%3A%2F%2Flibregraphicsworld.org%2Farticles.php%3Farticle_id%3D42&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB0QIDAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3ASde4RhGBtm0J%3Alibregraphicsworld.org%2Farticles.php%253Farticle_id%253D42%2Bhttp%3A%2F%2Flibregraphicsworld.org%2Farticles.php%253Farticle_id%253D42%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus&ei=4_uETs-vD6P30gG7yqTSDw&usg=AFQjCNHJv9N8udSV3Pg8jbzCa
[23:26] <RAOF> Tat
[23:26] <RAOF> Yeah, seen that.
[23:26] <RAOF> I was looking at acquiring one myself :)
[23:26] <Sarvatt> oh fglrx why do you work so good? http://sarvatt.com/downloads/GNOME3_desktop_corruption.jpg
[23:28] <RAOF> Setting a correct tiling mode is for chumps!
[23:28] <Sarvatt> one day it might be usable in gnome-shell :)
[23:47] <RAOF> cnd: Still around, and still having compiz problems?
[23:47] <cnd> RAOF: I was having problems
[23:48] <cnd> I guess I still have stacking order issues
[23:48] <cnd> but those are different
[23:48] <RAOF> :)
[23:48] <RAOF> Those problems have gone?
[23:49] <RAOF> Or, rather, the ?compiz doesn't start, complaining about EXT_tfp? problem has gone?
[23:49] <cnd> apparently not...
[23:49] <cnd> yeah, that's gone
[23:50] <cnd> manually running compiz --replace from an ubuntu 2d session magically fixed things
[23:50] <cnd> dbarth mentioned that unity --reset may work too


[02:41] <complexity> ??
[02:41] <no0tic> que?
[02:43] <complexity> why isn't anyone chatting here?
[02:43] <nalioth> complexity: because this channels isn't for chatting
[02:43] <nalioth> complexity: see /topic
[02:44] <no0tic> because this is not a general purpose channel


[07:21] <iusblabla> Question : How do i mount an iso files ?
[07:32] <zengkhol> what a quite room
[07:34] <bruenig> !mountiso
[07:34] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[08:14] <gluttony> hey, jrib
[08:17] <jrib> gluttony: hi
[08:17] <gluttony> hey
[08:18] <jrib> gluttony: did your installed ubuntu work again after that change?
[08:19] <gluttony> yeah
[08:19] <jrib> gluttony: did you figure out how to move /usr and /home to different partitions?
[08:19] <gluttony> no
[08:20] <jrib> ok, are you on the livecd now or on the installed ubuntu?
[08:20] <gluttony> the installed one
[08:20] <jrib> ok, first:  sudo cp -a /usr /usr.backup
[08:21] <gluttony> illegal operation
[08:21] <jrib> hmm
[08:21] <jrib> can you copy and paste the command and full error output?
[08:22] <gluttony> gluttony@gluttony-desktop:~$ sudo -a /usr /usr.backup
[08:22] <gluttony> sudo: illegal option `-a'
[08:22] <gluttony> usage: sudo -K | -L | -V | -h | -k | -l | -v
[08:22] <gluttony> usage: sudo [-HPSb]  [-p prompt]  [-u username|#uid]
[08:22] <gluttony>             { -e file [...]  | -i | -s | <command> }
[08:22] <jrib> gluttony: you forgot the "cp".  Why don't you just copy and paste my commands?
[08:23] <gluttony> what do the -a and the cp mean?
[08:23] <jrib> cp is copy
[08:23] <jrib> and you need -a to copy directories
[08:24] <gluttony> ok
[08:24] <jrib> ok edit your fstab and comment line 10 again.  save it.  then open it again and pastebin the contents
[08:24] <gluttony> its still running the command
[08:25] <jrib> gluttony: that's ok, open a new terminal
[08:25] <gluttony> forgot the fstab command
[08:25] <jrib> the command is: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[08:27] <gluttony> damn, its 2:30. i g2g. i should be back later
[08:30] <jrib> ...


[03:18]  * [gnubie] waves
[03:18] <[gnubie]> i have a problem and it looks like a bug. anyone cares to check http://is.gd/cQmoF for more information.. thanks..
[06:55] <drew212> ddecator: hey mang you around?
[06:55] <ddecator> drew212: yes i am
[06:56] <drew212> did you see who your mentee's were?
[06:58] <ddecator> drew212: you and trinikrono, yes?
[06:59] <drew212> yep =)
[07:00] <ddecator> is that alright? :p
[07:00] <drew212> of course!
[07:00] <ddecator> haha, ok
[07:01] <drew212> ddecator: so what exactly do we do? =P
[07:03] <ddecator> drew212: haha, well it depends. i'm here to answer questions you have and to give you tips. if you want to walk through a bug, we can do that. if you want me to just watch your work and give feedback, i can do that as well. it mainly depends on what is most helpful for the student :)
[07:04] <drew212> ddecator: probably a combination of both =P
[07:04] <ddecator> drew212: works for me!
[07:06] <drew212> ddecator: when you hit F11, is firefox supposed to creep all the way up so you cant see the address bar anymore?
[07:06] <ddecator> drew212: yes, it's full-screen, it should show up if you put the cursor up at the top of the screen
[07:07] <drew212> ddecator: yep, i just realized that =P
[07:09] <ddecator> except fullscreen puts the buttons on the right, which i haven't gotten around to figuring out if that can be made to change with the theme so it matches
[07:10] <drew212> i have my buttons on the right...
[07:10] <ddecator> i got used to mine on the left :)
[07:12] <ddecator> drew212: speaking of tips, do you know about the lp improvements firefox addon? i can't remember if i told you about that yet or not
[07:12] <drew212> ddecator: you have not
[07:14] <ddecator> drew212: it makes some nice changes to lp, including stock responses where you just click the link and it can automatically enter the text, subscribe you, and change the status if appropriate, and you can add your own responses :) https://edge.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/+archive/ppa
[07:14] <drew212> O_o
[07:16] <ddecator> it's not a required tool, but it's definitely helpful :)
[07:16] <drew212> ddecator: i'm reading how to install it now =P brian murray's launchpad hacks
[07:17] <ddecator> drew212: just add the ppa, then update and it will show up in synatpic as firefox-lp-improvements
[07:17] <ddecator> synaptic*
[07:27] <drew212> im not noticing anything new... do i need to restart FF?
[07:28] <ddecator> yes
[07:28] <ddecator> it's like any other add-on :)
[07:28] <drew212> =X
[07:43] <vish> ddecator: hey , ok. I'm de-activating austin and will ask him to re-apply later
[07:43] <ddecator> vish: danke
[07:45] <ddecator> drew212: did the add-on work?
[07:46] <drew212> yes
[07:47] <drew212> ddecator: how do i find kernel bugs in LP?
[07:48] <ddecator> drew212: they're filed against 'linux'
[07:48] <ddecator> drew212: did you get JFo's email mentioning the kernel summit?
[07:48] <drew212> yes yes =)
[07:49] <drew212> i sent him an email and he forwarded me to the kernel/bug triage wiki to learn more before the summit
[07:49] <ddecator> perfect! i couldn't remember what ML he sent it out to, haha
[07:49] <drew212> the kernel team lists... i subscribed to it just a little while ago
[07:50] <ddecator> ah, there was another list to, i think the QA list. i was going to forward it to you if you didn't get it :)
[07:50] <drew212> idk if i want to triage kernel bugs yet, but i know i want to know more...
[07:51] <drew212> i'm planning on applying to work for canonical once i get my BCS degree
[07:52] <ddecator> well, they need a lot of help, and it'd be good practice. i don't know much about kernel triage yet, but i plan to learn more at the summit so i can help out if you do want to try a hand at triaging for them
[07:53] <drew212> they have less bugs than FF does =P
[07:54] <ddecator> heh...yah...
[07:55] <ddecator> once i get this songbird issue figured out, i'll have more time to FINALLY get back to triaging firefox bugs
[07:56] <drew212> well im off to bed, i need to work tomorrow morning =X
[07:57] <ddecator> alright, night drew212
[07:57] <drew212> ddecator: thanks
[08:39] <elMariachi> hi
[08:40] <elMariachi> what do i need to do to draw the right peoples attention on a certain bug? (bug 592575 ;) )
[08:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592575 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-appearance-properties doesn't save visual effects settings over reboot (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592575
[08:42] <seb128> it's a duplicate
[08:42] <elMariachi> d'oh
[08:43] <elMariachi> i was looking for something like that, but didn't find anything
[08:43] <ddecator> i think the problem is in compiz if i remember right..
[08:43] <elMariachi> which one is the right bug report?
[08:44] <seb128> if you list report by the most recent ones the second on the list is the same issue
[08:44] <seb128> bug #390001
[08:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 390001 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Gnome visual effects not retained after reboot (affects: 10) (dups: 3) (heat: 64)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390001
[08:45] <seb128> as well
[08:45] <elMariachi> ah thank you
[08:45] <elMariachi> i'm gonna delete my report then
[08:46] <seb128> use the duplicate thing rather
[08:47] <elMariachi> yep, done that
[08:47] <seb128> do you have a stored session?
[08:47] <seb128> ie .gnome2/session
[08:47] <elMariachi> no
[08:47] <seb128> ok, so dunno what your issue is
[08:48] <seb128> would need debugging by somebody having the bug, ie you
[08:48] <seb128> it works for other users out of the session issue
[08:49] <elMariachi> okay, i'm gonna have a look into it when i'm at home
[08:49] <elMariachi> .oO(i hope..)
[11:25] <dpm> hey bugsquadders. We sometimes get bugs filed mistakenly against the ubuntu-translations project, and often I'm not sure to which project they should be filed against. Could someone look at bug 592649 and tell me what would be the best project or source package to change it to? thanks!
[11:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592649 in ubuntu-translations "General error mounting file systems ubuntu lucid lynx (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592649
[11:29] <arand> dpm: Well, as a first I guess you could simply reassign to "ubuntu", I don't know about that one, maybe "mountall" would be a guess.
[11:30] <dpm> thanks arand, I'll reassign to "ubuntu" and let someone more knowledgeable on filesystems than me to assign it to the right package
[11:35] <arand> I'm not actually sure if that is the right approach, but I though it seemed reasonable, since it is obviously more correct than -translations. (Anyone else knows of a better procedure?)
[11:50] <thekorn> dpm, I think a save guess is that your bug is a duplicate of bug 516684
[11:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 516684 in mountall (Ubuntu) "After upgrade from Karmic boot fails, mountall and udevd fail (affects: 6) (heat: 49)" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516684
[11:54] <thekorn> safe, btw
[11:57] <dpm> thekorn, thanks, I've just done that
[12:11] <xelister> OpenPGP used via kgpg is broken
[12:13] <jpds> xelister: Did you file about it?
[12:22] <jpds> a bug about*
[12:31] <xelister> jpds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/595055
[12:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595055 in kdeutils (Ubuntu) "[lucid][lucid-proposed] kgpg generates invalid openpgp key - signing only key (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:35] <xelister> jpds: both lucid and lucid-proposed.  if  you can confirm this, then imho this is priority medium
[12:44] <xelister> I found 2 more bugs making kmail+openpgp quite useless
[12:45] <xelister> would it be possible to create a QA team dedicated to make it possible to use any good email program (so, kmail) on ubuntu?
[12:45] <xelister> because its 2010 and still no good&stable email client at all
[12:45] <xelister> I would volounteer to report/reproduce bugs and test fixes
[13:28] <hggdh> xelister: it is possible, and you are elected.
[13:32] <xelister> hggdh: quickly, to the bugmobile! shooosh
[13:33] <xelister> hggdh: fir bug is above, could someone verify it and set priority?
[13:36] <hggdh> xelister: I cannot confirm it, I do not run KDE. But I can set IMportance
[13:39] <hggdh> xelister: do you know what happened on the previous KDE version?
[13:40] <xelister> hggdh: it worked ok on 9.10
[13:40] <xelister> hggdh: I do not really run kde de either, I just installed that one app
[14:11] <dgtombs> hi all. can i get a Triaged on bug 406515?
[14:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 406515 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[Karmic & Lucid Beta 1] Brightness fn keys lost functionality (Lenovo laptops) (affects: 38) (dups: 1) (heat: 218)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406515
[14:18] <xelister> hggdh: please set priority then. Medium I think
[14:32] <bcurtiswx> dgtombs: looks like its been taken care of already
[14:32] <dgtombs> bcurtiswx: yes, thanks
[14:38] <thekorn> pedro_, congrats to your team, great win. first step to kick spain out in the 1st round ;)
[14:39]  * thekorn hides
[14:39] <pedro_> thekorn, oh well the result doesn't reflect the game, we could win 14-0 ;-)
[14:40] <pedro_> thekorn, Germany is doing great btw, my fav team to win the cup ;-)
[14:41] <thekorn> pedro_, yeah, maybe if the goals were twice the size
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> im not a soccer buff/huge fan by any means.. but people tell me the US tie with England was "like a win" and i'm wondering why
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> soccer/football (whichever you call it)
[14:42] <thekorn> haha, let's see how well the play against other teams
[14:43] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, because soccer in the usa is like basketball in the uk
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> LOL i.e. we suck at it?? :P
[14:43] <thekorn> well.....
[14:44] <bcurtiswx> statistical terms
[14:44] <hggdh> er. anybody heard of Brazil? Yes, I know, they sucked yesterday, but...
[14:45] <pedro_> hggdh, yeah not a good game it was expecting more 'Jogo bonito' but with Dunga erm...
[14:46] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: US s getting better. Soon they may be something to worry about. Right now, a draw with UK is Very Good
[14:46] <hggdh> pedro_: +1
[14:47] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, and US has one of the leading teams in women soccer
[14:47] <thekorn> after germany of course ;)
[14:47] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: yeah, im glad about womens.  My hometown (Rochester, NY) has one of the best... now if i wasn't shitty with named i'd say it
[14:48] <bcurtiswx> i think...
[14:48] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, abby wombach
[14:48] <bcurtiswx> yes.. thanks
[14:49] <hggdh> but, still, it is weird to live in a country (US) where life does not stop when the country team plays on the world cup
[14:49] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: I do for Hockey...
[14:49] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: what is hockey ;-)
[14:49] <bcurtiswx> this sport, ya know.. where they uh.. play.. with this rubber thing 'eh
[14:50] <hggdh> oooohhhh
[14:50] <hggdh> I thought this was something done in private
[14:50] <pedro_> hahahaha
[14:50] <hggdh> LOL
[14:50] <bcurtiswx> it can be... broken teeth ;-)
[14:51] <pedro_> so is it Hockey more popular than Baseball or Basketball  in the US?
[14:51] <hggdh> sorry, bcurtiswx, it was too good an opportunity :-)
[14:51] <bcurtiswx> nah, humor is welcome at anytime.... that was humor.. right :P
[14:52] <hggdh> pedro_: no, not really. It's {Baseball, Basketball, american footbal}, then, a bit farther away, hockey
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> No, I grew up in Rochester, NY which is just across lake ontario from Canada.. where hockey becomes life
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> so thats why i <3 hockey
[14:52] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: yes, it was humor
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> US it depends on which half you're on.. the upper is Football
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> lower it's NASCAR
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> and then football
[14:53] <thekorn> hockey == ice hockey and not field hocky, right?
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: lol, yuppers
[14:53] <hggdh> thekorn: yes, mostly
[14:53] <thekorn> okidoki
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> now a fun sport (or activity) is "broomball"
[14:53] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: indeed. I tend to forget about NASCAR
[14:54] <pedro_> in baseball they play something called World Series but they only play against North American teams?
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> Baseball would be close to futbol americano
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> or should I say beisbol
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> sp?
[14:54] <hggdh> pedro_: yes. It really sounds weird, but it si true
[14:54] <pedro_> that's so weird, yes
[14:55] <bcurtiswx> broomball http://is.gd/cRulN
[14:55] <pedro_> it's like the World Cup being played only with South Americans teams
[14:55] <bcurtiswx> pedro_: I completely agree
[14:55] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: ah, I saw it once, thanks for the link
[14:55] <thekorn> european teams!!!!1111!
[14:55] <hggdh> pedro_: and just a few countries from SA
[14:55] <pedro_> oh spain is playing now
[14:56] <hggdh> oops
[14:56] <hggdh> that's important, they seem to be good
[14:57] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: in summary, the best teams are usually UK, Germany, Italy, Brazil, France, Netherlands
[14:57] <hggdh> in any order
[14:57] <hggdh> and now Spain seems to be good also
[14:57] <bcurtiswx> which fanbase would be most hurt with a world cup loss?
[14:58] <hggdh> any of the above
[14:58] <hggdh> :-)
[14:58] <hggdh> picture baseball, football, basketball all rolled in one for fan base
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> i think we got that for the olympics..
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> and the loss was devastating
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> losses*
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> were*
[14:59]  * bcurtiswx typing fail
[14:59] <jpds> losses were*
[14:59]  * jpds runs.
[14:59] <hggdh> heh
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> haha, i got the corrections in before i got jpds's
[15:00] <bcurtiswx> <--- safe :P
[15:01]  * bcurtiswx looks around the room for anyone with bug questions (just in case)
[15:02] <bcurtiswx> anyone?... bueller?.....bueller?
[15:05] <psusi> If a bug affects Lucid and Karmic and needs SRU'd, should it be nominated for those releases?
[15:06] <hggdh> psusi: yes; but it would normally be required to be first fixed on the current development release (Maverick)
[15:07] <dgtombs> anybody here know much about g-p-m/upower interaction?
[15:07] <psusi> Maverick doesn't have the problem... it's specific to Karmic and Lucid because they pulled a broken patch from upstream 2.6.32
[15:08] <psusi> what is the difference between targeting a milestone and nominating for a release?  which should I use?  It seems it will only let me target one milestone, but it needs SRU'd for both lucid and karmic
[15:11] <hggdh> psusi: weird, I would expect you to be able to nominate for releases (unless some new LP control was introduced recently)
[15:11] <hggdh> psusi: what is the bug #?
[15:12] <psusi> yea, I just did... but I first tried targeting to a milestone instead of nominating for a release... apparently you can only have one milestone... it's bug #593086
[15:12] <ubot2> psusi: Bug 593086 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/593086 is private
[15:12] <psusi> no it isn't...
[15:13] <psusi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/593086
[15:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 593086 in linux (Ubuntu) "Silent wraparound on > 2 TB LVM snapshots (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged]
[15:13] <psusi> says "this report is public"
[15:15]  * psusi smacks ubot2
[15:21] <psusi> hggdh: so does that look about right to you?
[15:24] <bcurtiswx> is there a git for ubuntu  packages like gnome has (i figured i'd get in a n00b question early today)
[15:24] <bcurtiswx> i.e. git clone git://git.gnome.org/PackageName
[15:34] <arand> bcurtiswx: I don't think so, since we've got bzr instead, but some have like http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[15:36] <bcurtiswx> so if i wanted to patch adium-theme-ubuntu i need to use the .dsc file ?
[15:38] <hggdh> psusi: seems correct
[15:46] <arand> bcurtiswx: You could apt-get source/dget *.dsc and do it that way, or use bzr: bzr branch lp:adium-theme-ubuntu
[16:15] <drew212> ddecator: how do i mark a bug when the user doesn't experience the bug anymore, invalid?
[16:19] <brunogirin> drew212: yes, and include the standard response for "bugs resolved after update or config change" as described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[16:19] <drew212> brunogirin: thanks =)
[16:29] <vish> jcastro: brunogirin is here ;)
[17:15] <ddecator> drew212: the desktop team marks those as fix released i believe, but marking invalid is the standard thing to do if you don't have a specific entry in the changelog to point to that says it was fixed
[17:26] <brunogirin> vish: yes but jcastro is not ;-)
[17:26] <jcastro> I got your mail brunogirin!
[17:27] <jcastro> it has all the info I need
[17:27] <vish> yay , it worked!  jcastro had mailed brunogirin to contact you :)
[17:28] <vish> err , jcastro , i* had
[17:28] <jcastro> brunogirin: is there a picture of you I can use for a blog post?
[17:29] <brunogirin> jcastro: one with a straight face?
[17:29] <jcastro> or a funny one!
[17:33] <brunogirin> jcastro: the one on my linkedin profile is the only one that's readily available I think: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/brunogirin
[17:59] <DrKenobi> Hi! I'm new here. I think Bug #275134 should be set as triaged
[17:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 275134 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "button to select .iso should have another title (heat: 4)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275134
[18:39] <hggdh> DrKenobi: is this still present on Lucid?
[18:39] <DrKenobi> hggdh: yes
[18:42] <hggdh> DrKenobi: thank you, marking
[18:42] <DrKenobi> hggdh: thank you!
[18:43] <hggdh> DrKenobi: can you please update the description with the last version tested? Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description
[18:44] <DrKenobi> hggdh: ok, i'll do it right now
[18:53] <hggdh> DrKenobi: thank you
[18:54] <hggdh> bdmurray: I changed the subscription for BugSquad. Please monitor & tell me if it looks correct
[18:58] <bdmurray> hggdh: will do thanks
[19:37] <vish> bcurtiswx: you've got mail!
[19:37] <bcurtiswx> vish: OK will check shortly
[19:40] <bcurtiswx> vish: OK i will try to take care of that soon.  :)
[19:41] <vish> :)
[19:42] <DrKenobi> Hi! The Bug #269783 has been solved in Ubuntu 9.10. Should I set the status to 'Fix Released'? I'm new here, I just want to be sure!
[19:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 269783 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "If running from a live system, should not ask for Source disk image (.iso) or CD (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269783
[20:03] <micahg> nigelb: I'm sorry I haven't been on around 13:00 UTC in the last few days, can patch review wait till Sunday?
[20:05] <mrand> DrKenobi: yes!
[20:06] <mrand> It would be nice if you include a note saying when it was fixed (i.e. 9.10)
[20:06] <DrKenobi> mrand: ok! thanks!
[20:06] <mrand> thank you for helping :-)
[20:35] <dgtombs> is there any guideline for the wiki on using headings? some pages use = Heading = as level 1 and others == Heading == as level 1, reserving single-equals for the page title like wikipedia
[22:50] <DrKenobi> Hi! Need help, as usual. I don't know if Bug #521115 affects 'usb-creator' or 'nautilus'. Not sure, help?
[22:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 521115 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "USB Disk Creator doesn't show up in "Open With" submenu (affects: 1) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521115
[22:51] <micahg> DrKenobi: usb-creator, I think, it should probably register which MIME type it supports
[22:51] <micahg> DrKenobi: s/MIME type/extensions :)
[22:53] <DrKenobi> micahg: what? I don't understand
[22:53] <micahg> DrKenobi: packages register with the system what extensions/MIME types they support
[22:54] <micahg> DrKenobi: I could be wrong :)
[22:54]  * micahg forgot about shared-mime-info
[22:55] <DrKenobi> micahg ok
[22:56] <micahg> DrKenobi: actually answer, wait for someone else :)
[22:56] <micahg> hggdh: you around to help with a GNOME issue?
[22:56] <hggdh> pedro_: micahg I am here
[22:57] <micahg> DrKenobi: please reask
[22:57]  * micahg loves making up words :)
[22:57] <hggdh> heh. So do I, so do I...
[22:58] <hggdh> yes, it should be a mime set in usb-creator, IIRC
[22:58]  * micahg will reask for DrKenobi
[22:58] <micahg> (04:50:44 PM) DrKenobi: Hi! Need help, as usual. I don't know if Bug #521115 affects 'usb-creator' or 'nautilus'. Not sure, help?
[22:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 521115 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "USB Disk Creator doesn't show up in "Open With" submenu (affects: 1) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521115
[22:58] <hggdh> needs a .desktop file
[22:59]  * micahg was right \o/
[22:59] <hggdh> s/file/definition/
[22:59] <hggdh> :-) micahg, you are right most of the times
[22:59] <micahg> hggdh: I had the right idea, just not the specifics :)
[23:01] <DrKenobi> hggdh: so it could be set to Triaged and Wishlist?
[23:01] <hggdh> !info usb-creator
[23:01] <ubot2> hggdh: usb-creator (source: usb-creator): Ubuntu startup disk creator transitional meta-package for GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.22 (lucid), package size 1 kB, installed size 44 kB
[23:02] <hggdh> DrKenobi: yes, you can
[23:02] <DrKenobi> hggdh, can u do it for me, i am not bug control! :)
[23:02] <hggdh> oh
[23:02] <hggdh> just a sec
[23:03] <hggdh> DrKenobi: of course, one Q: did you try it on Lucid? Is it still an issue there?
[23:03] <DrKenobi> hggdh, yes i try it a few seconds ago
[23:04] <DrKenobi> hggdh: i will update the description too
[23:04] <hggdh> DrKenobi: GREAT! you preempted me :-)
[23:05] <DrKenobi> hggdh: haha :)
[23:05] <hggdh> DrKenobi: you probably want to refresh the page, I just marked it
[23:06] <DrKenobi> hggdg: great! thank you!
[23:29] <DrKenobi> This Bug #304259, should maybe be set as Triaged, maybe... I don't know if it's possible. Developers could tell us!
[23:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 304259 in usb-creator (Baltix) (and 1 other project) "allow creation of LiveUSB from currently running LiveUSB (affects: 1) (dups: 2) (heat: 7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/304259
[23:34] <hggdh> oh, DrKenobi left. We need to tell him/her that we only deal with Ubuntu (not Baltix, etc)
[23:37] <micahg> hggdh: there's an ubuntu task
[23:37] <hggdh> micahg: should have opened it :-(
[23:38] <micahg> hggdh: yeah, ubot2 just pulls the top task
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> anyone know what spell check openoffice uses?
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> aspell?
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> does ooo have a channel here?
[23:48] <jpds> Wasn't it hunspell?
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> well openoffice is installed on my machine, but openoffice.org-hunspell isn't


[00:01] <Sarvatt> oh hey there's actually more info on sugar bay now - http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/07/29/intel.to.make.sugar.bay.available.early.january/
[12:46] <tjaalton> alrighty, let's see how broken maverick on intel is.. upgrading a months worth of packages
[13:57] <tjaalton> seems to work just fine
[22:43] <Sarvatt> i'm not going to create orig.tar.gz's for these new nvidia blob packages in x-updates in case the same deal as last time happens again where I can't update it


[02:43] <grantbow_> noiselugis
[02:48] <grantbow_> oops. noiselug is going on now
[02:50] <MarkDude> nhaines, you are correct, the food is horrible, we had none.
[02:51] <MarkDude> Just played games there
[02:52] <akk> I had excellent pizza!
[02:55] <MarkDude> I had all sorts of fun
[05:13] <pleia2> having trouble editing these svgs to update them
[05:13] <pleia2> argh inkscape :)
[05:14]  * pleia2 discovers layers
[05:18]  * akk was fighting with inkscape last night, but eventually emerged triumphant
[05:19] <pleia2> apparently these had locked layers, which I needed to unlock first :)
[05:34] <pleia2> pushed up new revision of the sleeves to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california/+junk/2010branding-sleeves
[05:34] <pleia2> includes checkmarks for 10.04, 11.10, 12.04 and 12.10
[05:48] <jyo> We should find and hoard cheap DVD-Rs now in anticipation of 12.04.
[06:05] <pleia2> jyo: they probably won't break the 700M barrier with 12.04
[06:05] <pleia2> the news was simply that they're allowed to, don't plan on it until 12.10 really
[07:30] <dragon> pleia2, jtatum: My ubuntu-california-website membership is expiring!
[07:32] <philipballew> dragon, you can renew it
[07:32] <philipballew> i did that for a membership this week, dont worry :)
[07:34] <dragon> philipballew: apparently ubuntu-california-website requires that a moderator do this for a regular user, unlike ubuntu-us-ca.
[07:35] <dragon> I've been getting one email a day urging me to poke the two list admins, and today I decided to give in.
[07:36] <philipballew> I might be wrong, but i beleive if thats the case you'd renew and they approve it
[07:53] <dragon> Alright, I'll look into it. Thanks!
[16:55] <pleia2> dragon: renewed (we expire it in case you aren't interested anymore)
[18:03] <nhaines> Gareth: are there little SCALE flyers or half-sheets I can print and distribute?
[18:18] <Gareth> Nod.  I believe so.  lemme look.
[18:18] <nhaines> Thanks!
[18:19]  * nhaines booked his room at the Hilton last night.
[18:19] <Gareth> nhaines: https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/sites/default/files/promo/SCALE_flyer3.pdf
[18:20] <nhaines> yay!
[18:31]  * nhaines is upgrading from oneiric to precise.
[18:32] <nhaines> What could possibly go wrJ()$*#U$()$(@)#@(#@ NO CARRIER
[19:11] <Gareth> nhaines: did you add in the lightning talks for UbuCon yet?  Any updates on the other speakers?
[19:12] <nhaines> Gareth: I'm actually talking to one of the speakers now.  I didn't add in lightning talks yet.  Let me grab the schedule and get that updated.
[19:12] <Gareth> thanks.
[19:13] <nhaines> Well, time to reboot after the precise upgrade.  Watching it shut down to reboot while I type this from PuTTY on Windows.
[19:14]  * nhaines loves Linux, ssh, screen, and irssi.
[19:14] <nhaines> I also sometimes love PuTTY.  :P
[19:15] <akk> putty actually did ssh better than linux for a long time ... don't know if that's still true.
[19:18] <nhaines> I'm pretty happy with 'ssh' in Linux.
[19:21] <akk> I was working at a company with a firewall, and ssh from my linux machine there to my server would have these half-minute delays sometimes ... really wasn't usable interactively
[19:21] <akk> but I could putty from a windows box to the same server without the delays (or telnet) ... it was something about how openssh implemented the protocol
[19:21] <akk> combined with something about the firewall.
[19:22] <nhaines> Hmm, that's weird.  I've never heard about that.
[19:24] <akk> There were other people seeing it, but not enough that anybody cared enough to fix it.
[19:24] <nhaines> Now that sounds more like Linux.  :)
[21:24] <nhaines> Gareth: Added the intro/lightning talk session for Ubucon.
[21:26] <Gareth> nhaines: excellent.
[21:27] <Gareth> nhaines: so the schedule you sent had intros and lightning talks as seperate.
[21:28] <nhaines> Gareth: Yup.  I think I've managed to line up an additional speaker.
[21:29] <nhaines> Gareth: breaks are only at 11am and 2:30pm now.  12:30 break is still lunch.
[21:35] <nhaines> Gareth: PMed the working schedule to you.
[21:43] <Gareth> got it.
[21:44] <Gareth> excellent.  lines up with the other events :) Thanks!
[21:51] <Gareth> nhaines: lightning talks published...once the others are in then I can publish those too.
[21:53] <nhaines> Gareth: yeah, one of the speakers brought it to my attention... that's why the lightning talk took a little longer to submit.  :)
[21:53] <nhaines> I'll try to expedite the speaker info.  I want to get ubucon.org live.
[21:55] <Gareth> thanks.
[22:17] <dragon> pleia2: thank you! While I haven't been doing much, I don't mind being a part of the discussions!
[22:29] <philipballew> Whats thee best way to stop a deamon running?
[22:29] <akk> Just once, or all the time?
[22:29] <akk> Just once, usually service daemonname stop
[22:32] <philipballew> just once. wanna get pid 928 929 930 to stop. there all network managing ones
[22:32] <philipballew> ill give it a try. if i go offline. its because it worked
[22:41] <nhaines> Yay, one more speaker confirmed for Ubucon.  One to go.


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