[06:21] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[06:55] <fulcrum> morning
[07:11] <superfly> morning
[07:12] <Squirm> morning
[07:14] <inetpro> Guten Morgen!
[07:15] <inetpro> Here's a nice writeup on "How to install Bugzilla with HTTPS on Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS Server" http://www.humans-enabled.com/2011/12/how-to-install-bugzilla-with-https-on.html
[07:22] <morgs> morning
[07:31] <superfly> morning inetpro, morgs, Squirm fulcrum and nuvolari :-)
[07:40] <fulcrum> hey superfly, you started the new jorb?
[07:47] <superfly> fulcrum: nope, still waiting for them to decide
[07:47] <superfly> hoping to at least know where I stand by the end of this week
[07:47] <fulcrum> ak 'k
[07:48] <fulcrum> hope it is favourable
[08:01]  * inetpro to
[08:02] <superfly> yeah... I'm kinda also looking for a few freelance bits to keep me going for the moment, so if anyone hears of someone needing some Python done, or a Drupal website, then I'm your man ;-)
[10:43] <Kilos> howdy superfly and all you others
[10:44] <Kilos> can someone please explain about lts to me. can one not use maverick say for the next 20 years
[10:44] <Kilos> what support actually falls away
[10:50] <Kilos> hi garaman
[10:55] <garaman> Kilos: hi.
[11:02] <superfly> Kilos: bug fixes and security fixes
[11:02] <superfly> Kilos: you can, but there won't be any new software or bug fixes
[11:02] <Kilos> but wont all that be sorted when support ends superfly
[11:03] <superfly> Kilos: that's what happens when the support ends
[11:03] <superfly> then you don't get anything more
[11:03] <Kilos> apart from security updates of course
[11:03] <superfly> Kilos: when support ends, you get nothing... people won't even want to help you unless you upgrade
[11:04] <Kilos> oh does the software get taken off the repos?
[11:04] <superfly> yes
[11:04] <Kilos> oh my
[11:04] <Kilos> ty superfly
[11:05] <superfly> Kilos: it might not happen immediately, but it happens eventually
[11:05] <Kilos> if one can then download the full repo and keep it then you should be ok for years
[11:06] <Kilos> not often one needs new software when you dont do much
[11:06] <Kilos> like i have all i need and its only 2.5g
[11:07] <Kilos> archives that is
[11:18] <inetpro> Kilos: as time goes people find holes in old software
[11:20] <Kilos> hi inetpro you mean for security
[11:20] <Kilos> bad guys you mean
[11:20] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[11:21] <Kilos> eish
[12:44] <zeref> hmmmm
[12:44] <Kilos> hi zeref
[12:44] <Kilos> is that thinking or clearing your throat
[12:49] <zeref> thinking :-)
[12:50] <Kilos> haha
[12:50] <Kilos> battling some?
[12:51] <zeref> trying to familarize? familarise? :P myself with arch linux
[12:51] <nuvolari> o/ lo oom Kilos
[12:52] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[12:52] <bmg505> hello
[12:52] <Kilos> hiya bmg
[12:52] <bmg505> ekke soek polisie koffie, en 'n sterk ene
[12:52] <Kilos> grr
[12:52] <Kilos> bmg505,
[12:52] <bmg505> min koffie, baie boerewyn
[12:53] <Kilos> steel gou iets dan sal jy baie kry
[12:54] <bmg505> lol
[12:54] <bmg505> eks reg vir die diewe die jaar, ons het 3 pepergas enhede in, gaan groot fun wees
[12:55] <Kilos> ek hhor op die nuus dis onwetig om pepergas nou by jou te dra
[12:55] <Kilos> en knipmesse ook
[13:10] <Kilos> later guys
[13:10] <Kilos> be good
[13:10] <nuvolari> die skelms raak skelmer, en die weerlose meer weerloos
[13:10] <nuvolari> meh
[13:10] <nuvolari> baai oom :P
[13:23] <fulcrum> Symmetria Symmetria wherefore art thou Symmetria
[13:23] <fulcrum> shall I compare thee to a packet sniffer?
[13:23] <fulcrum> I am the syn and you are the ack
[13:24] <nuvolari>  % look for jobs
[13:24] <nuvolari> look: jobs: No such file or directory
[13:24] <fulcrum> ping timeout
[13:24] <fulcrum> man woman
[13:24] <fulcrum> No manual entry for woman
[13:25] <nuvolari> amen to that
[13:26] <inetpro> 29/11 00:01:55 <tumbleweed> inetpro: if nobody replies within a week or two, please remind me, and I'll poke people :)
[13:27] <inetpro> tumbleweed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/897436
[13:27] <inetpro> have had no feedback yet
[13:30] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I suggest you stick your nose into #ubuntu-x and ask
[13:34] <inetpro> tumbleweed: will do that, thanks
[13:34]  * tumbleweed is lurking there too
[13:35] <inetpro> tumbleweed: are there any ubuntu peeps in there?
[13:36] <inetpro> I mean like the kinds who will be willing to look at bugs on launchpad
[13:37] <tumbleweed> inetpro: the people who maintain those packgase hang out there
[13:39] <inetpro> great, thanks
[13:42] <tumbleweed> inetpro: of course, you may have a long wait...
[13:42] <tumbleweed> inetpro: did you get a chance to try the a precise alpha / daily CD?
[13:43] <inetpro> tumbleweed: have not tried it yet, no
[13:43] <inetpro> I'll try to download later tonight and will try it
[14:24] <inetpro> damn!
[14:25] <inetpro> I hate mobile rip off marketing firms
[14:26] <inetpro> please check your bills and make sure you do not have unknown entries in there
[14:28] <magespawn> howdy all
[14:29] <zeref> lo magespawn
[15:06] <superfly> yo magespawn
[15:06] <magespawn> hay guys
[15:23] <magespawn> later all
[17:03] <zeref> http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
[17:03] <zeref> didnt know that there were so many linux distos
[17:43] <inetpro> zeref: the choice is yours
[17:44] <inetpro> but in the end ubuntu wins with the best community at #ubuntu-za
[17:46]  * inetpro wants to try precise
[17:46] <inetpro> where do I find the daily CD?
[17:57] <zeref> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[17:57] <zeref> hmmm, i want to try out Arch :-D
[18:04] <inetpro> zeref: thanks
[18:04] <inetpro> is there no local daily mirror?
[18:06] <inetpro> eish!  Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[18:28] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[18:29] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[18:29]  * Kilos sits and sips my coffee on my own
[18:42] <zeref> o0o0 ubuntu 10.04 supported untill 2013
[18:42] <zeref> i can keeps my gnome 2.x
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <Kilos> maverick must then go 6 months further
[18:46] <zeref> april next yr
[18:46] <Kilos> no
[18:47] <Kilos> maverick is after 10.04
[18:47] <Kilos> 10.10
[18:47] <zeref> non Lts releases have 18 minths support
[18:47] <Kilos> next year is 2012
[18:47] <Kilos> oh my
[18:47] <Kilos> not 2 years
[18:47] <zeref> o0o0
[18:48] <zeref> once 12.04 comes out, it will be supported for 5 yrs
[18:48] <Kilos> ya but i scared of unity
[18:49] <Kilos> unless i uncapped by then
[18:49] <zeref> try another DE
[18:49] <zeref> xfce, KDE
[18:49] <Kilos> DE?
[18:49] <zeref> Desktop environment
[18:50] <Kilos> i have tried xubuntu
[18:50] <Kilos> dont like the menu stuff on the side
[18:50] <Kilos> i like the gnome look
[18:50] <Kilos> top and bottom panels
[18:50] <zeref> i'll try gnome and unity when they have matured more
[18:51] <nuvolari> o/ g'evening
[18:51] <Kilos> gnome 3 you mean
[18:51] <nuvolari> sheesh it's hot here
[18:51] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[18:51] <nuvolari> naand oom Kilos!
[18:51] <Kilos> hot everywhere
[18:51] <Kilos> 20 here tonight
[18:51] <Kilos> 20°C
[18:51] <Kilos> hehe it worked
[18:51] <zeref> nuvolari: where is here?
[18:52] <nuvolari> zeref: what do you mean where is here?
[18:52] <nuvolari> here! right here!
[18:52]  * nuvolari points
[18:52] <Kilos> he is north of durbs zeref ]
[18:52] <Kilos> ha ha
[18:52] <zeref> LOL
[18:52] <nuvolari> zeref: ballito
[18:52] <Kilos> jy slim vanaand nê
[18:53] <superfly> dis nogals 'n bietjie koud in die Kaap - dit reën (of het gereën)
[18:54] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in cape town south africa
[18:55] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[18:55] <Kilos> eish he lost the link again
[18:55] <nuvolari> we had so much rain already, but tonight I won't mind for a bit more rain
[18:55] <nuvolari> at least my folks in the free state got some rain last week
[18:57] <Kilos> yeah we had some too and they say more tomorrow
[18:58] <nuvolari> I hope it's overcast on thursday when I drive home
[18:59] <Kilos> yeah the sun in the eyes sucks
[19:01] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom, I'm worried more about the heat :P
[19:01] <Kilos> nee man open the windows
[19:03] <zeref> hmmm
[19:03] <zeref> not good  idea to drive with windows open
[19:04] <Kilos> on the open road?
[19:04] <zeref> yeah
[19:04] <Kilos> why?
[19:04] <zeref> causes drag
[19:04] <Kilos> lol
[19:04] <zeref> end up using more petrol
[19:04] <Kilos> he has a vw
[19:04] <Kilos> drag no prob
[19:05] <zeref> LOL
[19:12] <Kilos> V double U and me, we all believe in quality
[19:13] <Kilos> sleep tight guys. see ya tomorrow
[19:13] <Kilos> lekker slaap nuvolari
[19:13] <superfly> night Kilos
[19:13] <Kilos> aw night superfly
[19:13] <superfly> I still love those "unpimp your auto" adverts :-)
[19:13] <Kilos> lol
[19:14] <Kilos> i been a vw fan since ian was 2
[19:15] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos
[20:00] <inetpro> good night


[02:12] <tonyyarusso> Hey all, I'm trying to troubleshoot what the difference is between my debianized build of Nvu's successor (which does not work) and my regular build of it (which does).  When I try to run the version coming out of the .deb I made I get "Cannot find mozilla runtime directory. Exiting." - suggestions on where to look?
[04:16] <poningru> ok <IP_ADDRESS> is officially out
[05:07] <dfarning> gnomefreak, what are you doing still up
[05:07] <gnomefreak> im not
[05:08] <dfarning> Going through all the bugs assigned team and changing them to -bugs
[05:09] <gnomefreak> going to bed again :) we need to talk this weekend about a "triager" remind me this weekend if you see me please
[05:09] <gnomefreak> night
[05:09] <dfarning> good night
[01:27] <gnomefreak> anyone here?
[02:25] <gnomefreak> i think feisty -dbgsym packages were updated this retrace is grabbing alot of them
[02:26] <gnomefreak> unless its a newer crash maybe
[03:19] <asac> gnomefreak: will be here later
[03:19] <asac> shopping
[03:19] <gnomefreak> k
[08:44] <asac> hello hello :)
[08:48] <ajmitch> hi hi
[08:52] <asac> gnomefreak: you uploaded locale somewhere (feel like I have seen something like this in mailbox)
[08:52] <asac> ?
[09:32] <crimsun> gnomefreak: you'll want to reroll that patch against the current totem source package, and use proper versioning
[09:33] <crimsun> i.e., 2.17.92-0ubuntu2~
[09:33] <crimsun> that trailing tilde es muy importante
[09:45] <asac> why?
[11:00] <asac> crimsun: ?
[11:49] <crimsun> asac: so that it doesn't clobber 2.17.92-0ubuntu2.
[12:17] <asac> but why tilde? i only know if from versioned depends/conflicts
[12:17] <asac> ubuntu4 is fine ... we should have used ubuntu3.mt1 though
[12:17] <asac> ubuntu3 is the current, isn't it`
[12:17] <asac> ?


[06:55] <Regor> i installed gdebi ...but it halts on installing any .deb files ..  it doesnt ask for admin passwd .
[06:58] <Regor> so i have to use dpkg command to install . .... but i want to know how can i make gdebi work ?
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> Regor:  does gdebi work on the command line with sudo ?
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> sudo gdebi <path_to_deb_file>
[07:05] <Regor> didnt try yet
[07:05] <Regor> yeah i know
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:06] <Regor> actually wanted to know why gui sucks..
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> how did you install gdebi ? from the software centre or ?
[07:06] <Regor> yes
[07:07] <Regor> gdebi works good.. it process all info ...but after install ..it closes automatically ..
[07:08] <Regor> and package not installed ... it also dosnt ask admin passwd..that i guess is issue..
[07:10] <well_laid_lawn> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/xubuntu-18-04-2-how-to-install-a-deb-by-double-clicking-that-deb-please-4175653734/
[07:10] <well_laid_lawn> seems to have a clue
[07:10] <Regor> ok
[07:12] <Regor> thanks...exactly issue i see
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> seems since gksu was deprecated installing lxqt-sudo and editing the desktop launcher exec line to suit is the easiest solution
[07:14] <Regor> yeah..
[07:33] <Regor> apt 🔑 is best ! 😀
[07:35] <well_laid_lawn> I do prefer using cli programs here
[07:35] <Regor> i also use cli
[07:36] <Regor> i purged gdebi !
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> well done
[10:52] <jurgenkatz> I have a few questions about Xubuntu. Can I ask them?
[10:53] <well_laid_lawn> sure  jurgenkatz
[10:53] <jurgenkatz> thanks
[10:54] <well_laid_lawn> answers might be slow to appear so patience is needed here
[10:55] <well_laid_lawn> !ask
[10:55] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[10:55] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[10:55] <well_laid_lawn> useful hints ↑
[10:56] <jurgenkatz> Does the latest version of xubuntu support 32 bit OS?
[10:58] <jurgenkatz> I meant a 32 bit processor
[10:58] <jurgenkatz> х86
[11:02] <well_laid_lawn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/768415/where-can-i-find-32-bit-version-of-ubuntu suggets it is not available
[11:03] <well_laid_lawn> seems you have to use 16.* isos
[11:04] <well_laid_lawn> I'm sure there are other distros that do 32bit, I know voidlinux is one
[11:05] <jurgenkatz> thanks
[11:05] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[13:09] <Noboru55> hello everybody, xubuntu 18.04 is perfect when installed the xfce4-screensaver from 19.10
[13:09] <Noboru55> only problem is google-chrome-stable it closes by itself so i use now firefox
[13:09] <Noboru55> firefox is better now, but i would like to know the problem with chrome.. tried open it in terminal
[13:10] <Noboru55> and got nothing usefull..
[13:13] <Noboru55> if i could change something in xubuntu, it would be the whiskers menu, i cannot change the positions of the favorites itens, i need to remove all and add again if i want a new favorite in the first position
[13:13] <Noboru55> would be nice if i could change the favorite menu itens positions
[13:14] <Noboru55> mmm.. did i explain it right ?
[13:14] <brainwash> drag and drop does not work for you?
[13:15] <Noboru55> brainwash let me see
[13:15] <Noboru55> brainwash omg ! it worked
[13:15] <brainwash> :D
[13:15] <Noboru55> so everybody forgot my newbie words
[13:15] <Noboru55> lol
[13:16] <Noboru55> forget i meant
[13:16] <Noboru55> brainwash so its perfect now !
[13:16] <brainwash> regarding chrome.. did you monitor your RAM usage?
[13:17] <brainwash> or is that problem related to the screensaver?
[13:17] <Noboru55> brainwash i do not know.. the ram is ok
[13:18] <Noboru55> its not ram usage problem, i was reading something about mesa driver.. i do not know
[13:18] <Noboru55> but the ram and cpu usage in firefox is better i guess
[13:18] <Noboru55> brainwash usually chrome brokens when i watch a video with many tabs openned.. but not youtube, other kind of videos.. (not xxx. only other sites)
[13:19] <brainwash> my first guess was that Chrome somehow eats all of the remaining RAM and then just terminates
[13:19] <Noboru55> brainwash if it was ther problem, is there someway to fix it
[13:19] <Noboru55> ?
[13:19] <brainwash> maybe
[13:19] <brainwash> not easy to tell
[13:19] <brainwash> ideally, some error message would be helpful
[13:20] <brainwash> but you don't get any terminal message
[13:20] <brainwash> or?
[13:20] <Noboru55> brainwash terminal only shows it
[13:20] <Noboru55> ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(81)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[13:20] <Noboru55> and when closes.. broken... nothing change
[13:20] <Noboru55> nothing in terminal i meant
[13:21] <brainwash> okay
[13:21] <Noboru55> this sandbox error run everytime the chrome is opened
[13:21] <brainwash> right. it's not related.
[13:21] <Noboru55> yes
[13:21] <Noboru55> not related
[13:22] <Noboru55> just start to use firefox today
[13:22] <Noboru55> hope i like it
[13:22] <Noboru55> for while its ok
[13:22] <brainwash> not sure if we can help you with the Chrome problem
[13:22] <brainwash> it's most likely not specific to Xubuntu
[13:23] <Noboru55> you are right.. i guess its something with my hardware
[13:23] <Noboru55> i used windows before and never got this kind of problem
[13:23] <brainwash> it could be
[13:23] <Noboru55> but.. u know
[13:23] <Noboru55> windows is .. i do not like that
[13:23] <Noboru55> $$
[13:24] <Noboru55> i will use firefox till netx chrome version
[13:24] <Noboru55> so i'll try again
[13:24] <Noboru55> brainwash thank you very much with your hint drag and drop
[13:24] <brainwash> well, you could test with chromium
[13:24] <brainwash> but it is basically the same as chrome
[13:25] <Noboru55> brainwash yes.. do you think something could change?
[13:25] <brainwash> it's worth a try I guess
[13:25] <Noboru55> okay
[13:25] <Noboru55> going to install it
[13:25] <Noboru55> better synaptic or software ubuntu to install it?
[13:25] <brainwash> does not matter
[13:25] <Noboru55> alright
[13:26] <Noboru55> brainwash thank you. if it doesnt broken anymore i tell u later
[13:26] <brainwash> good luck :)
[13:26] <Noboru55> thanks.. see u
[17:04] <Untore> Hi all
[17:05] <Untore> I'm new here and I have a question related xubuntu and RAID
[17:12] <Untore> Hi all
[17:12] <Untore> I was asking a question before related RAID and xubuntu but the system restarted
[17:12] <Untore> currently I have three hard disk
[17:13] <Untore> one has the xubunto and the other two for archive
[17:14] <Untore> how can I put these two in RAID 1 under xubuntu?
[18:06] <hans_> what is the virtualbox version of VMWare's open-vm-tools open-vm-tools-desktop packages?
[18:06] <hans_> (virtualbox-optimized disk io driver, graphics driver, network driver, etcetc)
[18:08] <hans_> .. ah seems it's called > virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
[18:17] <Noboru55> brainwash hello, i made some chantes in my bios, maybe it will not change anything, but i install again the xubuntu and now using chromium to see how it will works
[19:33] <lochnas> Does anyone know if Xubuntu can run on Intel Apollo J3455?
[19:34]  * lochnas hopes so since a beelink t34 is on it's way
[19:35] <lochnas> Accidentally ordered it, but maybe it'll work out?
[21:16] <hans_> lochnas, why wouldn't it? looks like a fairly standard intel x86 cpu
[21:16] <hans_> x86-64 even
[22:26] <tomreyn> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/intel-retracts-apollo-lake-warning-discounts-claims-of-reliability-issues/


 Announcing that you're going to use something else is just an ego show :/
[12:07] <fossfreedom> mpmc, ???
[12:08] <mpmc> fossfreedom: I'm guessing you didn't see the last few messages in the channel..
[12:08] <fossfreedom> ah - no sorry - my bouncer crashed in the last week - only just resurrected in the last few minutes
[12:09] <mpmc> fossfreedom: https://pastebin.com/raw/zAsJNJSg
[12:10] <fossfreedom> lol
[12:10]  * fossfreedom ignores trolls
[12:11] <mpmc> fossfreedom: I've seen this many times in #hts. It gets old fast.
[12:12] <fossfreedom> aye - shame its not possible to stop "people" like that using free software.  oh well - moving on
[12:14] <mpmc> Yep! fossfreedom anything exciting for Budgie 11 coming up that you know of?
[12:15] <fossfreedom> development stops and starts.  Basically just the framework is being worked on  - panel placements etc.  Once the basics are sorted then the "exciting" stuff will happen
[12:37] <mpmc> fossfreedom: My upgrade to 18.04 didn't include the new theme, any reason for that do you think?
[13:10] <fossfreedom> mpmc, we don't fiddle with user presets - so if you were using arc/adapta etc then it will remain the same. You'll need to change the theme manually in budgie-settings
[13:11] <fossfreedom> only new users/new accounts will get the new layout and theme
[13:11] <mpmc> fossfreedom: That's the problem, it's not showing as a theme option in Budgie settings :p
[13:12] <fossfreedom> hmm?  you were on 17.10 ubuntu budgie before ?
[13:13] <mpmc> Yes
[13:13] <fossfreedom> what happens if you run sudo apt install ubuntu-budgie-desktop ?
[13:13] <mpmc> fossfreedom: https://i.imgur.com/dvUAzgY.jpg
[13:14] <mpmc> fossfreedom: https://pastebin.com/raw/kkmGmbEH
[13:15] <mpmc> I used do-release-upgrade -d to perform the upgrade.
[13:15] <fossfreedom> ah - seems like your meta package went wandering.  you'll need that.  I should add that to the release notes
[13:17] <mpmc> fossfreedom: OK I've installed that, I'll reboot when possible (running python code I'm working on atm).
[22:06] <rydare> hello budgies
[22:35] <rydare> i reported a bug
[22:38] <fossfreedom> bug report link ?


[05:05] <Kilos> morning all
[05:06] <nhaines> Good morning!
[05:09] <tsega> good morning
[05:10] <Kilos> nhaines  tsega has joined #ubuntu-africa from ethiopia
[05:13] <nhaines> That's good news!
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:26] <Kilos> hi dholbach
[07:27] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[14:39] <Kilos> nhaines  ty ubuntulog is online by us
[14:43] <Kilos> can you guys help me with a domain name for a site please ubuntu-africa.? .org if possible
[14:45] <Kilos> i want to build the site same as our za site
[21:27] <mhall119> Kilos: we can chat in here too
[21:28] <Kilos> oh yay
[21:28] <mhall119> Kilos: can whoever created and maintains https://ubuntu-za.org/ create this new site for you?
[21:29] <Kilos> nope that has nothing to do with our ubuntu
[21:29] <Kilos> ubuntu is used all over for community spirited missions
[21:29] <mhall119> right, I'm just looking for someone to take ownership of it
[21:29] <Kilos> nhaines  evening can you help me explain the project please
[21:32] <mhall119> Kilos: who's idea was it to make a pan-african site?
[21:32] <Kilos> mine
[21:33] <Kilos> discussed with superand our loco
[21:33] <Kilos> superfly
[21:33] <Kilos> sorry im used to tab completing him
[21:33] <mhall119> Kilos: ok, so then can you register the domain yourself?
[21:33] <Kilos> i personally cant , im disabled and unemployed
[21:34] <Kilos> and the idea was to have it under the ubuntu banner
[21:34] <Kilos> same as the irc channel #ubuntu-africa
[21:34] <mhall119> well it can still be under the ubuntu banner even if Canonical isn't the one who registered it
[21:35] <mhall119> Kilos: if cost is a concern, it can be paid for out of the community donations budget
[21:35] <Kilos> oh im not sure about all of this. can canonical give me a domain name for the project
[21:36] <mhall119> Kilos: not a *.ubuntu.com domain, no
[21:36] <Kilos> we can host it and build it
[21:36] <mhall119> and anything else, like ubuntu-africa.org, can be registered by anybody who wants to put up an Ubuntu-related site
[21:37] <Kilos> do you perhaps have any suggestions of what other route i can follow
[21:37] <inetpro> hi everyone
[21:38] <mhall119> Kilos: my advice would be to talk to the people you're working with on this, decide on an available domain name, register it yourselves, and if you want request money from the community donations fund to pay for the registration fee and/or hosting cost
[21:38] <mhall119> http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[21:38] <Kilos> inetpro  comment?
[21:39] <inetpro> mhall119: we really just need guidance on the registration part, ubuntu-za.org for instance was registered by canonical, as far as I have it
[21:39] <mhall119> inetpro: ah, I didn't realize that
[21:40] <inetpro> we can host it ourselves, no problem with that
[21:40] <mhall119> inetpro: I don't know why Canonical registered that one, but you don't need Canonical to register things like that, you can do it yourselves
[21:40] <inetpro> sure but there's costs involved and we do not have such resources available
[21:40] <mhall119> inetpro: we can help with cost, file a request here: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[21:41] <inetpro> this Ubuntu Africa project really needs your support
[21:41] <mhall119> inetpro: our concern is just the responsibility of being the domain owner, we don't want to be responsible for someone else's domain
[21:42] <mhall119> inetpro: we like having our community take ownership and control of their sites and projects
[21:42] <inetpro> I think Kilos is on to something here
[21:42] <mhall119> we'll gladly help fund it, even promote it, but it's your initiative so we want you to own it
[21:43] <inetpro> cool
[21:43] <inetpro> Kilos, you see that?
[21:43] <Kilos> yes
[21:43] <inetpro> new challenges I guess
[21:43] <Kilos> dont understand it all completely
[21:43] <mhall119> and opportunities :)
[21:43] <inetpro> sounds like fun :-)
[21:44]  * inetpro really needs sleep now
[21:44] <Kilos> isnt the approval of the irc channel and a site for the same thing to pull the whole of africa under the ubuntu banner the same thing?
[21:45] <inetpro> Kilos: we can do it
[21:45] <mhall119> Kilos: the IRC channel registration is just logistics with the servers and permissions
[21:45] <mhall119> and ubuntulog needed Canonical because those log files go up on irclogs.ubuntu.com
[21:45] <Kilos> aha
[21:46] <Kilos> ok then mhall119  ty for your help. we will see what we can do and let you know
[21:46] <inetpro> we just need to make a request for the funding
[21:46] <Kilos> for interests sake
[21:46] <mhall119> Kilos: good luck, and feel free to ping me again if you have more questions
[21:46] <Kilos> ty very much mhall119
[21:46] <inetpro> good night
[21:47] <mhall119> inetpro: just make your best estimate of the cost when you make the request
[21:47] <inetpro> sure
[21:48] <inetpro> thanks for the guidance
[21:49] <Kilos> ty mhall119  night all
[21:49] <mhall119> g'night
[22:07] <inetpro> hmm...
[22:07] <inetpro> too much thinking
[22:08] <inetpro> mhall119: we really need that phone for a review at ubuntu-za, how do we get it?
[22:10]  * inetpro pushing his luck
[22:11] <nhaines> inetpro: still http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[22:12] <inetpro> ah same process, I'll tell superfly
[22:12] <inetpro> ty
[22:16] <nhaines> It's better if someone with Ubuntu membership files the request, but the phone can then be shipped to superfly.  He's really done some fantastic work on the website and it already looks quite good on the Ubuntu browser.
[22:18] <inetpro> yep, he's one of our keys to success for sure
[22:19] <inetpro> one of these days I will hopefully be a member as well
[22:22] <mhall119> inetpro: we might be able to get some we can loan out for reviews and showing off at events, but it's going to take us some time


[09:48] <alan_g> duflu: what's with all these ancient bugs linking to mir?
[09:48] <duflu> alan_g: Not related to Mir. I just need to temporarily assign them to a project I am a member of in order to be able to delete legacy project tasks :P
[09:48] <duflu> Such is Launchpad
[09:49] <duflu> And ancient bugs won't expire till you delete their open project tasks
[09:49] <duflu> *won't even begin to expire
[09:51] <alan_g> duflu: I see, you're doing a cleanup of stuff that should have been forgotten. np.
[09:52] <duflu> alan_g: Yes, still on the year 2010
[09:54] <alan_g> There should be a better way. At least there are no launchpad haters to tell us how we did it all wrong.
[09:56] <duflu> alan_g: *shrug* You can't remove a project task for foreign projects but you can correct the project name to one you are a member of, then delete it
[10:28] <xnox> i thought there was a special project to move bugs to
[10:28] <xnox> and items
[10:30] <alan_g> Maybe so. But that doesn't mean everyone knows what it is. (I don't)
[10:32] <Laney> is it https://launchpad.net/null-and-void that one?
[10:32] <Laney> Some ancient cavity inside my brain was echoing with those words
[10:32] <Laney> (in Ted's voice)
[10:44]  * alan_g wonders if that implies everyone is a member of team null-and-void. 8^)


[05:58] <twb> I told libvirtd that its sockets should be grouped by a group that comes from LDAP
[05:59] <twb> Unfortunately, libvirtd fails to start now because "runlevel 2" triggers before DHCP has finished coming up, so LDAP isn't available.
[05:59] <twb> What's the *right* way to tell libvirtd to wait until DHCP is done?
[06:03] <twb> This is in ubuntu 10.04, if that matters.
[06:07]  * twb guesses net-device-up IFACE!=lo is the filthy hack that everyone uses
[06:12] <twb> Nope, that doesn't work.  It comes up on eth0's state being up, rather than DHCP finishing -- I think.
[06:45] <SpamapS> twb: In Oneiric we'll be changing runlevel 2 to go after ifup -a has returned
[06:45] <twb> Good, I guess
[06:45] <SpamapS> twb: so I think if you change /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf to 'start on filesystem and started networking' it should work.. or maybe 'stopped networking'
[06:46] <twb> obviously dhclient will background itself if it takes too long, but I'm prepared to live with 'stuff breaks" in that case
[06:46] <twb> SpamapS: I've spent an hour or two on this, so I'm giving up and just adding a dhclient exit hook that chgrps
[06:46] <SpamapS> oh you need libvirt to go after dynamic interfaces..
[06:46] <SpamapS> start on net-device-up IFACE=ethX
[06:46] <twb> I tried net-device-up IFACE!=lo and it didn't work
[06:47] <SpamapS> the only reason that shouldn't work is that you have multiple interfaces
[06:47] <twb> It still tried to bring it up immediately before dhclient
[06:47] <SpamapS> do you have a physical, static interface maybe?
[06:47] <twb> Ah, you're right, I am still bringing up the second interface
[06:48] <twb> But then why isn't it trying to bring libvirt-bin up AGAIN when the dhcp interface comes up?
[06:48] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/115826/ <-- interfaces, FYI
[06:48] <SpamapS> i want to add another event which is "all of the automatic interfaces are up" .. meaning all static, and all network-manager interfaces
[06:48] <twb> FWIW this is a server, so no NM
[06:48] <SpamapS> probably because it was in a goal of "start" but just thrashing, respawning
[06:49] <twb> I will try specifying a specific iface
[06:49] <SpamapS> even w/o nm you have dhclient backgrounding itself
[06:49] <twb> SpamapS: nod
[06:49] <twb> 15:46 <twb> obviously dhclient will background itself if it takes too long, but I'm prepared to live with 'stuff breaks" in that case
[06:49] <SpamapS> The question of "what are all of the automatic interfaces that we know about?" can be answered very easily.. once thats known.. we can trigger something to emit an event whenever all of those are up.
[06:51] <twb> I even tried "start on remote-filesystems", but that didn't work
[06:51] <twb> I assumed it would because mountall would send that after it finished mounting NFS
[06:51] <SpamapS> it most certainly does
[06:52] <SpamapS> IIRC it sends it when there are no remote filesystems.
[06:52] <twb> I do have NFS filesystems
[06:52] <SpamapS> And sometimes NFS isn't a "remote" filesystem.
[06:52] <twb> as a client, I mean, not a server
[06:53] <twb> omega:/home    /home    nfs intr,bg
[06:53] <twb> omega's a remote host, "omega" won't even resolve until DHCP is done
[06:54] <twb> OK, net-device-up IFACE=br-unmanaged seemed to work
[06:55] <twb> Thanks
[06:56] <twb> And sorry for losing my temper
[06:56] <SpamapS> Meh.. it does that. We need to put some fences around it.
[06:57] <SpamapS> also to be fair, your temper did not bleed through into IRC.. which is amazing.. usually an oz. of real temper becomes several metric tons of flames in the brain->keyboard->internet conversion process
[06:58] <twb> SpamapS: you aren't seeing the worst of it
[06:59] <SpamapS> twb: well I'm nodding off quite a bit.. need to either get caffeine or a pillow. :)
[06:59] <twb> No worries
[14:42] <dcorbin_wk> I want to write an upstart script for my service.  It should only start after certain old-style (init.d) scripts have run.  Do have to manually modify them to trigger upstart events?
[17:01] <SpamapS> dcorbin_wk: there are two ways to handle that..
[17:01] <SpamapS> dcorbin_wk: the best way would be to port those init.d scripts to upstart as well
[17:02] <SpamapS> dcorbin_wk: but if thats not possible, you can definitely add calls to 'initctl emit' to the init.d scripts that will help signal to your upstart job that its time to run
[17:29] <JanC> some services also provide "hooks" of course
[17:47] <Md> how can I debug why an ubuntu system with upstart hangs at boot? only plymouth and mountall are running
[17:51] <mbiebl> Md: you can use the --debug boot option
[17:51] <mbiebl> but I guess your problem is mountall related
[17:51] <Md> I did, but it did not help
[17:52] <Md> I have an open console and initctl list reports that plymouth and mountall are the only jobs running
[17:52] <mbiebl> do you have a special setup, like lvm, cryptsetup or something like this?
[17:53] <Md> no. actually this is the server of a customer
[17:53] <Md> he fucked up something while upgrading and asked us to install the last backup. which now does not work
[17:54] <Md> so for all I know the server could have been broken earlier, but I do not know where else to look
[17:54] <Md> mountall is just sitting there
[17:58] <mbiebl> I've seen something like that
[17:58] <mbiebl> a partition was defined in fstab
[17:59] <mbiebl> but the actual device was no longer attached to the server
[17:59] <Md> indeed that was it
[17:59] <Md> the swap partition now has a new uuid
[17:59] <mbiebl> and mountall was just sitting there waititing for the device to turn up
[17:59] <Md> this is fucking unbelievably stupid
[17:59] <mbiebl> yeah, I lost a ec2 instance that way
[18:00] <mbiebl> I cursed a whole day
[18:01] <mbiebl> I hope you have (physical) access to fixup the fstab
[18:03] <mbiebl> Md: that was some time ago, iirc a karmic installation. not sure if mountall is more clever nowadays and has timeouts
[18:04] <dcorbin_wk> SpamapS: thanks.  I'm the init.d scripts are part of common ubuntu packages.  Minimal changes are preferred.
[18:05] <SpamapS> dcorbin_wk: on the contrary, we'd love to have things converted to upstart jobs. :)
[18:05] <dcorbin_wk> SpamapS: well, of course.  but this is "old ubuntu", well off of 'head'


[11:32] <Lcam> Has anyone ever had an issue with zita-a2j?
[14:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Lcam: No, but I saw your issue. You might have to increase your buffer on one of your extra devices, or lower its gain inside qasmixer.
[15:32] <Lcam> Unfortunately I do not have any control over it inside QASmixer (not even for the focusrite)
[15:32] <Lcam> and the weird thing is, if I replace the binary with alsa_in, it works
[15:37] <Lcam> I've increased the buffer size up till 2048, nothing changes
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> Lcam: If qasmixer (or alsamixer inside the terminal) can't see it, then you've got bigger problems.
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> Ones that I can't help you with here.
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> !morehelp
[15:49] <Eickmeyer> But for the most part, zita is *very* robust.
[15:55] <Lcam> Ok Eickmeyer thanks a lot for your help!