[19:14] <k1l_> !torrent
[19:14] <Pici> !torrents
[19:15] <marexony> backbox release ubuntu
[19:15] <Icedream> https://up.icedream.pw/2016-04-21_21-15-07.png
[19:15] <Bingo> wha? what is backbox?
[19:15] <k1l_> marexony: no. no backbox
[19:15] <Icedream> so what's going on?
[19:15] <marcv>
[19:15] <Icedream> isn't it supposed to be available via do-release-upgrade?
[19:15] <ChunkzZ1> !isitoutyet
[19:15] <k1l_> Icedream: what ubuntu are you on?
[19:16] <_Trullo> rip prince :( http://radio.tmb.dj/gforceMP3.m3u
[19:16] <Icedream> also sorry if the link doesn't work, http://i.imgur.com/WpmPmUB.png
[19:16] <Icedream> k1l_, 15.10
[19:16] <k1l_> !ot | _Trullo
[19:16] <_Trullo> I know, but the man just died :(
[19:17] <viju> How do I check if my computer is  64 bit?
[19:17] <terratoma> _Trullo: true... but im pretty sure 110 percent of the internet is about prince dying right now.  nothing to do with #ubuntu !
[19:17] <Bingo> prince?
[19:17] <viju> I am using 32 bit ubuntu currently.
[19:17] <terratoma> so i install newest ubuntu... installer keeps trying to download packages from somewhere !  why cant it just use the iso
[19:17] <jalt> viju: most recent cpus (intel and amd) will be 64bit. almost anything after pentium 4.
[19:18] <Bingo> Yes.  I got this urge to slam a dvd into the ubuntu 14.04
[19:18] <slee> hello, does anyone know what happened with samba(client) over the past few days? today i rebooted box and can no longer log into a shared external HD, smb://blah blah sees the shared folder, but everytine i put name/password in(thunar) it just keeps giving me the login window
[19:18] <Bingo> question, should i slam a 14.04, or this new burned one?
[19:18] <Han> viju, read /proc/cpuinfo
[19:19] <Icedream> I just looked at http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts and http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release and 16.04 isn't listed there yet
[19:19] <Icedream> hence why do-release-upgrade doesn't work yet
[19:19] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | Icedream
[19:19] <tgm4883> Icedream: yes, we're checking on it
[19:19] <tgm4883> and by we, I mean Pici
[19:19] <Icedream> k1l_, I don't use LTS on my server, I have 15.10
[19:19] <Pici> and yes, I'm still bugging them, trying to get the right person to do the thing.
[19:19] <Bingo> Pici - tell, them.. my upgrade call was for 15.10
[19:19] <MasterFX> I updated my ubuntu regurly ended up with beta2, but now I was trying to create a new bootable USB with unetbootin, but that program only shows the window title bar, and now actual program content...
[19:20] <Icedream> tgm4883, Pici alright thanks!
[19:20] <anomaly44> any idea why my brightness controls arent working? i see the icon and the bar appearing , decreasing, increasing but the brightness does not change
[19:20] <k1l_> Icedream: for the LTs upgrade that is intended. for the 15.10 upgrade that is a bug and its been worked on.
[19:20] <anomaly44> (using 16.04)
[19:20] <Bingo> So i guess 15.10 wont work on my pc?
[19:21] <k1l_> Bingo: for general chatter there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:21] <Bingo> kil_ I am asking, for help
[19:21] <Pici> fyi, just got a response back from the person responsible, they're working on it now.
[19:22] <Icedream> Pici, nice :)
[19:22] <k1l_> Bingo: what exactly?
[19:22] <Bingo> my 14.04 is down, cas update-manager went to get 15.10 and broke
[19:22] <k1l_> Bingo: i see you talking random stuff all the time. what is your exact issue and what do you need help with?
[19:23] <anom> hai. any idea when do-upgrade will work for folk in the uk?
[19:23] <Bingo> E: Error: Broken Count (as I said before)  90updates, wont boot display code 255.
[19:23] <Dave-Maydew> Can someone please tell me if Intel Skylake is now supported in Ubuntu 16.04LTS?
[19:23] <Pici> anom: soon. its being worked on right now.  (assuming you meant for 15.10 to 16.04)
[19:23] <k1l_> anom: there is a server issue. its been worked on, should be fixed in a bit
[19:23] <Bingo> Then used root, and saw failed to connect to Mir:... update-manager : 668
[19:24] <anom> yeah pici. Thanks
[19:24] <naviela> lan
[19:24] <naviela> yarram
[19:24] <k1l_> Bingo: that sounds like you made a mess on that system. so get a 16.04 iso and do a clean install
[19:24] <naviela> ASSAGDGSGADGA
[19:24] <Pici> naviela: please stop.
[19:24] <Bingo> on Advanced recovery boot, GAVE *Failed to start load kernel modules
[19:25] <anom> I don't suppose there is like a status page I could keep tabs on?
[19:25] <anom> for the uk server
[19:25] <Bingo> Sounds like Update-manager broke my install of 14.04
[19:25] <Pici> anom: as soon as xenial is listed at the bottom of http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release then you will be able to upgrade.
[19:25] <k1l_> anom: when http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release lists xenial release it will work again
[19:26] <k1l_> Pici: stop saying what i want to say ;p
[19:26] <vfw> Bingo: Did you lose internet connection during upgrade?
[19:26] <anom> thanks guys
[19:27] <Icedream> doing this while I wait for the update: while true; do clear; (wget "http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release" -O- -q |tail -n11); sleep 5; done
[19:27] <Icedream> in a terminal :D
[19:27] <Icedream> should maybe increase the sleep but whatever
[19:27] <Bingo> vfw - I am at tha library, no.. dunno cas no notices.
[19:27] <Dave-Maydew> I'm going to be installing Ubuntu 16.04 on a friend's new i5 and it's Skylake, and I've read that it wasn't useable in earlier versions of Ubuntu because of the kernel, just wondering if it's now working in 16.04?
[19:27] <evng> with ubuntu 16.04 my wifi signal meter is white instead of black using radiance theme, also it doesnt show that I'm connected to wifi but I am ...
[19:28] <k1l_> Dave-Maydew: should do
[19:28] <FamousNerdMan> they fixed it!
[19:28] <FamousNerdMan> thanks Ubuntu devs!
[19:28] <Pici> Dave-Maydew: keep in mind there is a note regarding a potential bug in the release notes about skylake
[19:28] <Bashing-om> davidcalle: Somewhat .. skylake ready .. read the release notes .
[19:28] <Bingo> yes, 16.04 is there
[19:29] <FamousNerdMan> and thanks Icedream for your script :)
[19:29] <anom> whoop whoop uk server up now
[19:29] <Bingo> kil_ so just burn a dvd and fresh install..?
[19:31] <ChunkzZ1> my 16.04 is installed, time to configure! :)
[19:31] <ChunkzZ1> bbs
[19:31] <yano> :-)
[19:31] <anom> good luck
[19:32] <anom> I hope my net doesn't crap itself while the download is ongoing
[19:33] <berpcor|2> Ive changed apache port to 8080. Now I can enter my site uxing mysite.com:8080 url only.
[19:33] <berpcor|2> I need to do it by using mysite.com
[19:33] <cokovskis> When do we choose if we want to use Mir in Ubuntu 16.04? During install or?
[19:33] <s3prio> http default port is the 80
[19:34] <Sebastien> berpcor|2, s3prio.  MOST ISP will block port 80 and 8080 from home, so you buy a commercial account to have a website from home.
[19:34] <b18> FYI the bug with not being able to do "do-release-upgrade" on 15.10 is fixed
[19:35] <destinydriven> k1l_, the upgrade seems to have worked. Thanks
[19:36] <slee> it appears the latest samba update(to fix badlock and a few other security issues) has broken the smb client in ubuntu, anyone else having this issue and if so, have you found a fix?
[19:37] <Bingo> aw mannnn, since this upgrade-manager barffed, I will have to back out files via terminal then install 16.04.  happy now?
[19:37] <mistralol> slee: it broke evolution -mapi and -ews as well
[19:37] <vfw> slee: nfs
[19:39] <Bingo> bye
[19:39] <Guest43436> Is anyone able to move windows between workspaces in Unity without it freezing?
[19:41] <Pici> mistralol, slee: it looks like there are some new bugs here, some have potential workarounds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bugs?orderby=-datecreated&start=0
[19:41] <Guest43436> Unity freezes on me every time I move a window between workspaces in both 14.04 and 16.04
[19:43] <ma_ma> when i wanted to send message in #git ,it is saying you cant send
[19:43] <ma_ma> what should i do
[19:43] <ma_ma> can any one tell me clearly?
[19:44] <Pici> ma_ma: they require that all users be identified to freenode.
[19:44] <k1l_> !register | ma_ma
[19:44] <Pici> !register | ma_ma
[19:45] <ma_ma> what should i type in #git now? am new to this ..sorry to ask silly
[19:45] <Pici> ma_ma: did you follow the instructions that ubottu gave you above?
[19:45] <vfw> ma_ma: Register your nick
[19:45] <ma_ma> i need to register in browser or in xchat?
[19:46] <viju> The torrent is very slow.
[19:46] <reisio> viju: why not use an http download
[19:47] <Pici> ma_ma: in xchat, the url above has instructions.  If you need more help please ask in #freenode
[19:47] <viju> reisio, because I need to resume and there's more chances of getting lots of bad bits.
[19:50] <reisio> viju: eh, wget can resume :)
[19:50] <reisio> viju: what torrent are you using?
[19:51] <viju> ubuntu 16.04
[19:51] <reisio> Pici: freenode was more useful when people could talk in there :p heh (not a reflection on you, just saying)
[19:51] <reisio> viju: sure, which torrent?
[19:51] <reisio> from ubuntu.com?
[19:51] <viju> Yes
[19:51] <Pici> reisio: oh, I didn't think of that.  oh well.
[19:51] <reisio> Pici: neither did they :p the worse bit
[19:51] <reisio> viju: desktop, amd64?
[19:52] <evng> with ubuntu 16.04 my wifi signal meter is white instead of black using radiance theme, also it doesnt show that I'm connected to wifi but I am ...
[19:52] <Orphis> Is there any known issues with sound on 16.04? I just upgraded and it's not working well. I can play test sounds just fine, but Kodi reports that I'm mute (and then test sounds stop working). Same for when I start Spotify
[19:52] <viju> reisio, yes
[19:52] <Orphis> I'm just trying to get hdmi sound passthrough, and it was working fine before
[19:52] <vfw> Orphis: Laptop or desktop?
[19:52] <reisio> Orphis: did you reboot after your update?
[19:53] <Orphis> I rebooted my htpc a few times. Desktop
[19:53] <reisio> evng: IIRC some of the themes have both a dark and light theme; you might want the other
[19:53] <reisio> Orphis: how're you playing test sounds?
[19:53] <Orphis> It's a regular mobo with an i5
[19:53] <reisio> Orphis: you might temporarily mv any ~/.asoundrc you're using, if you are
[19:53] <Orphis> Sound settings > Test sound
[19:54] <Arte_> Hi.. does anyone have a little of spare time?
[19:54] <Orphis> reisio: I don't have any .asoundrc, default config was working fine
[19:54] <reisio> viju: blazing fast over here; must be your ISP or torrent client configuration
[19:54] <ice9> I'm upgrading from 15.10 and the upgrade stalls during installing packages! what should I do now because I don't wanna have unbootable system?
[19:54] <Orphis> But there are .pulse things, I thinking of removing those
[19:54] <vfw> Arte_: Yea *very* little.  ;)
[19:54] <reisio> viju: if you have peer stuff disabled for any other trackers you might use, that will not help (for this download)
[19:54] <BluesKaj> Orphis, maybe automute is enabled in alsamixer after your upgrade
[19:55] <reisio> Arte_: anyone on IRC is wasting time :)
[19:55] <reisio> Arte_: and therefore has plenty
[19:55] <arch> hi all
[19:55] <Arte_> :) I need help with setting my Wireless Chipset mode to Monitored from Managed
[19:55] <vfw> reisio: Good point!
[19:55] <Arte_> nothing seems to work and I am tired of trying like 11 different ways
[19:55] <reisio> Orphis: http://kodi.wiki/view/PulseAudio#Known_issues perhaps
[19:56] <BluesKaj> Orphis, intel audio doesn't need pulseaudio to work with alsa
[19:56] <reisio> vfw: I forget what all they're called, but you clearly know what I mean :p dht, automatic peer discovery, etc.
[19:56] <paracusia> hello, i can hear my hdd working but there is no load(iotop shows nothing) and there is also no smart-selftest running - hdd LED is also not flashing - what could that be?
[19:56] <Orphis> BluesKaj: I didn't see any muted lines in alsamixer. Where should I have a look for the automute?
[19:56] <arch> anyone switched to 16.04?
[19:56] <reisio> vfw: just don't screw up your ordinary config/forget to re-set, etc.
[19:56] <reisio> arch: I've been playing with the beta2 version for the past few weeks
[19:56] <arunpyasi> Hi guys, I get -bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory error, is it due to insufficient RAM ?
[19:57] <paracusia> arunpyasi: yes
[19:57] <k1l_> arunpyasi: yes
[19:57] <BluesKaj> Orphis, on the far left
[19:57] <arch> reisio: did you observe high memory usage after boot up. its consuming 1 GB ram on boot compared to typical 450 MB
[19:57] <reisio> arunpyasi: this some VPS?
[19:58] <BluesKaj> your other left ...far right rather , orp
[19:58] <arunpyasi> yes reisio
[19:58] <reisio> arch: not particularly; you're aware that unused ram is wasted ram?
[19:58] <arunpyasi> thanks :D for the help
[19:58] <reisio> arunpyasi: config issue on their end, I believe
[19:58] <reisio> arunpyasi: file a ticket
[19:58] <reisio> arunpyasi: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=682317 etc.
[19:59] <arch> Dont think that concept is completely true on linux
[19:59] <reisio> paracusia: which hdd, the one your OS is on?
[19:59] <arunpyasi> reisio: its of Digital Ocean VPS.
[19:59] <Arte_> Does anyone have an idea how to change wlan0 from Managed to Monitored?
[19:59] <paracusia> reisio: yes
[19:59] <reisio> arch: actually it's true, fundamentally, for any OS
[19:59] <arunpyasi> reisio: I am trying to run Magento on Ubuntu server in DO.
[19:59] <reisio> that which is not used is not used, it is not utilized, it is wasted
[19:59] <reisio> paracusia: does the OS boot up?
[19:59] <paracusia> reisio: yes.
[19:59] <arch> reisio: seems like a bug to me
[19:59] <reisio> arunpyasi: I think you'll need to contact them to "fix" it
[19:59] <BluesKaj> Orphis, sorry , my mistake ..far right
[20:00] <arunpyasi> reisio: Thanks :D
[20:00] <reisio> paracusia: so the only problem is you hear your disk spinning, possibly more than you think is normal?
[20:00] <paracusia> reisio: not just spinning, i hear it rumbling like its busy
[20:00] <Orphis> BluesKaj: Automute is enabled apparently
[20:00] <reisio> paracusia: okay, what DE
[20:00] <arch> reisio: looks like i am not alone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1572801
[20:01] <BluesKaj> Orphis, then use the down arrow to disable it
[20:01] <Orphis> I did, restarted Kodi but same result
[20:01] <reisio> Orphis: http://kodi.wiki/view/PulseAudio#Known_issues
[20:02] <Arte_> Does anyone have an idea how to change wlan0 from Managed to Monitored?
[20:03] <Ben64> Arte_: what are you trying to accomplish
[20:03] <Arte_> Ben64: Uhm.. change the mode? :D
[20:03] <reisio> Orphis: near the section end
[20:03] <Orphis> reisio: Wow, there's actually a line for what could be my issue in little characters that isn't obvious at all
[20:03] <crs> Hey, is it possible to install zsh-5.2 on ubuntu 14.04? I cannot seem to be able to find a package for that…
[20:03] <ma_ma> i cant able to send message in other channels
[20:03] <reisio> Orphis: yeah sorry, I assumed you might read it :p
[20:03] <Ben64> Arte_: and thats it? turn the computer off, toss it off a balcony? job's done!
[20:03] <ma_ma> need more help please
[20:04] <Arte_> Ben64: Either you dont get the point or I dont get the "joke"..
[20:04] <yacc_> Ok, I'm starting 14.04 => 16.04 (LVM/LUKS root), and I promise to use nice language even if it kills the install, as I do have a full and current backup :)
[20:04] <Orphis> I scan through things, and if there's only one occurence to "kodi" in the middle of a paragraph, it's impossible to notice
[20:04] <Ben64> Arte_: the point is you need to explain what you actually want to accomplish
[20:04] <reisio> crs: 5.0.2 is available easily for 14.04
[20:04] <reisio> crs: to get 5.2, if such a version exists, will be work
[20:04] <Orphis> There should be a sub section "kodi on 16.04" to make it obvious
[20:04] <reisio> crs: but not impossible
[20:04] <reisio> Orphis: yeah that'd be nic
[20:04] <reisio> nice*
[20:04] <reisio> if it's an openly editable wiki (so rare these days), you might make that edit for them
[20:04] <arch> yacc_; may the force be with you!
[20:05] <ma_ma> is it possible to push the files in git into exisisting repositary which is already have some files?
[20:05] <MuliWRK> hey fellas, I've a panasonic cf-18, what would be the best version of ubuntu desktop to throw on this machine?
[20:05] <crs> reisio: Yeah, 5.0.2 is quite old. Would like to get 5.2 installed but avoid compiling it myself…
[20:05] <reisio> crs: compiling is nothing to fear
[20:06] <crs> reisio: I know :)
[20:06] <yacc_> ma_ma: yes and no. (Yes, and the way you phrase your question suggest that you mean something else then what the yes refered to)
[20:06] <Orphis> reisio: I've commented the module load mentionned, rebooted and no change
[20:06] <arch> MuliWRK: whats the config
[20:07] <yacc_> Ok, my phone also decided it wants an update :)
[20:07] <MuliWRK> intel pentium m 1.2ghz, 32bit proc, 512mb ram, 60gb hdd
[20:07] <reisio> Orphis: what if you disable 'Adjust Refreshrate to match video' ?
[20:07] <MuliWRK> i can max the ram out at 1.5gb
[20:07] <yacc_> Well, if everything breaks, I still have the tab and the Windows laptop of my wife.
[20:07] <Orphis> reisio: I'm looking for the setting
[20:08] <MuliWRK> yacc_, 14.04-4?
[20:08] <reisio> Orphis: heh, aren't GUIs fun
[20:08] <yacc_> MuliWRK, theoretically yes (Although I'm not sure about the GPU support), but practically you might want to consider one of the more light-weight variants?
[20:08] <MuliWRK> errm arch
[20:08] <MuliWRK> sorry
[20:08] <ma_ma> yacc :  am really sorry to ask , iam new to git
[20:08] <reisio> Orphis: can probably egrep -ilr 'adjust|refresh|match' ~/.kodi or something to find it fast in a text file
[20:08] <MuliWRK> suggestions for alternatives?
[20:08] <yacc_> MuliWRK, I'd say so, a fully updated 14.04
[20:08] <arch> MuliWRK: lubuntu would be good on this config
[20:08] <yacc_> ma_ma, #git perhaps?
[20:08] <ma_ma> yacc : yesterday i created one repo ..and pushed some files into it ,,again i wanted to push files into same repo from same directory in my machine
[20:09] <ma_ma> yacc : iam not able to send in #git
[20:09] <k1l_> ma_ma: register to the irc network. then make sure you are logged in.
[20:09] <MuliWRK> excellent, thank you for your input fellas
[20:09] <yacc_> ma_ma, could it be that you have not registered with FreeNode?
[20:09] <anom> Did PHP 7 get put into the latest Ubuntu?
[20:09] <k1l_> ma_ma: ask in #freenode for help
[20:09] <irgendwer4711> hi, I think, the blender netrenderer is missing in 16.04
[20:10] <Pici> anom: it did.
[20:10] <anom> awesome.
[20:10] <anom> 10% left of my download whoop whoop
[20:10] <anom> looking forward to finally moving unity to the bottom
[20:10] <arch> irgendwer4711: are you checking in software center?
[20:10] <ma_ma> k1l : when i send in #freenode also ,cannot send
[20:10] <irgendwer4711> arch: no, on disk
[20:10] <nolsen> anom: IMO Unity doesn't look good on the bottom.
[20:10] <anom> :O
[20:11] <Troy^> Hi guys just updated my ubuntu box via cli to 16.04 it is showing the release version. I'm trying to reboot the machien via cli. Although reboot is no londer a command?
[20:11] <anom> its annoying having it on the side with multi-monitors tho
[20:11] <irgendwer4711> arch: its an addon
[20:11] <Term1nal> Question, I'm not super savvy when it comes to kernels and setting up a linux system from base (which is why I use Ubuntu), is there perhaps anyone in the know that may be able to inform me if the latest version of ubuntu, with the new systemd bootloader, could support an IA32 EFI (no 64bit) system? I have a tablet that comes in such a configuration (Intel Atom Clovertrail), and have yet to be able to liberate it from the clutches of Windows.
[20:11] <k1l_> ma_ma: wait until they voiced you. but this site got the instrucions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration
[20:11] <nolsen> Though Unity7 is terrible anyway, Unity8 is something I am looking forward to.
[20:11] <Orphis> reisio: Found the option, it was disabled. Still stuck :(
[20:11] <ArTe_> Ben64: Okay, im back.. it froze.. sorry.. did you say anyth?
[20:11] <yacc_> I think if Android included the version number of the update in the release notes, that would kill all the thrill of updating phones, ...
[20:11] <anom> what changes does unity8 have over 7?
[20:12] <nolsen> anom: New design.
[20:12] <anom> :O
[20:12] <k1l_> anom: its not used as standard on 16.04. its still unity7 with xorg
[20:12] <k1l_> nolsen: no
[20:12] <nolsen> no?
[20:12] <reisio> Orphis: might want to hit up the kodi channel, then, in the interim
[20:12] <nolsen> no what?
[20:13] <k1l_> nolsen: no = you are wrong
[20:13] <Orphis> Yay, it also segfaults kodi when I quit it...
[20:13] <Orphis> Such quality software
[20:13] <streulma> hello I have an old iMac 32bit EFI around. Should I boot Ubuntu 32bit?
[20:13] <nolsen> What are you talking about, I previewed Unity 8 before.
[20:13] <reisio> Orphis: you could also boot up a 16.04 install image, do 'Try Ubuntu', and install kodi and see if the audio works in the live environment
[20:13] <nolsen> The design is different.
[20:13] <reisio> Orphis: that would tell you if it's some legacy configuration you have that's to blame
[20:13] <nolsen> erm
[20:13] <nolsen> not design, theme.
[20:13] <Orphis> reisio: I literally had default config
[20:13] <streulma> the new Ubuntu is brilliant !
[20:13] <reisio> Orphis: it could theoretically be any number of deps' configs
[20:13] <Troy^> ciommand shutdown 'not found' why is that?
[20:14] <Troy^> i did a cli upgrade 14.04 to 16.04
[20:14] <Ben64> Troy^: sounds like something broke
[20:14] <ArTe_> Ben64: Okay, im back.. it froze.. sorry.. did you say anyth?
[20:14] <Ben64> ArTe_: still trying to figure out what you're doing
[20:14] <k1l_> nolsen: not really.
[20:14] <Troy^> Ben64: the cli upgrade made a new ssh port 1022 I can still connect to it. But is there a default password for it?
[20:14] <streulma> I had also with debian after an upgrade commands not found, had to do init 0
[20:14] <Ben64> Troy^: does /sbin/shutdown still exist?
[20:15] <nolsen> k1l_: ಠ_ಠ
[20:15] <streulma> Troy^ reboot: init 6 shutdown init 0
[20:16] <Troy^> Ben64 shutdown: /usr/share/man/man2/shutdown.2.gz
[20:16] <Troy^> Ben64 so no apparently
[20:16] <Troy^> I did a whereis
[20:16] <Ben64> Troy^: what? why did you paste that
[20:16] <Ben64> Troy^: just do "ls /sbin/shutdown"
[20:16] <theluckymike> when connected to wifi via dhcp, default route is with metric 600, how can I change this?
[20:17] <Troy^> No Ben64 it doesn't exist
[20:17] <ArTe_> Ben64: Okay, I dont really know how to be more accurate... Terminal *type* airmon-ng start wlan0 ... should start smth like mon0 or wlan0mon.. it does not because my wlan0 is set to mode:Managed and should be mode:Monitor but I am unable to change it...
[20:17] <Ben64> Troy^: that's bad
[20:17] <ChunkzZ1> So, ubuntu 16.04 network installer installs fine, but when it's time to boot, it stays at loading ubuntu 16.04 with 4 white dots then tells me about blocks and goes no further unless I press f1. what the?
[20:17] <ma_ma> k1l :thanks ..i am verified now
[20:17] <streulma> Troy^ try the init command
[20:17] <Orphis> reisio: Apparently, the kodi settings migration decided to mute in kodi
[20:17] <Orphis> reisio: And the "mute" option isn't mapped to my libcec remote
[20:17] <Ben64> Troy^: i'd recommend not trying the init command
[20:17] <Orphis> So it was quite stupid
[20:17] <reisio> Orphis: fixed?
[20:17] <Phantom_2040> ls
[20:18] <ZaZ_> first bug 16.04! the live installer icon still show 14.04.4 :P
[20:18] <nanaasar> lol
[20:18] <Troy^> Ben64: Yea it doesn't work anyways lol...
[20:18] <streulma> another bug, gdebi not working
[20:18] <Phantom_2040> Prince died at 57
[20:18] <ChunkzZ1> Phantom_2040, go elsewhere
[20:18] <streulma> and another bug, wireless not saved for first boot
[20:18] <ArTe_> Ben64: Okay, I dont really know how to be more accurate... Terminal *type* airmon-ng start wlan0 ... should start smth like mon0 or wlan0mon.. it does not because my wlan0 is set to mode:Managed and should be mode:Monitor but I am unable to change it...
[20:18] <ChunkzZ1> !op | Phantom_2040
[20:18] <Ben64> Troy^: seems likely at this point that if you reboot, it won't come back
[20:18] <Wulf> Phantom_2040: so? Elvis died age 42
[20:18] <Troy^> Ben64: i figured
[20:19] <streulma> and another bug, wireless recognised as LAN-network
[20:19] <Ben64> Troy^: do you have a log from the upgrade
[20:19] <Phantom_2040> Elvis not dead Wulf
[20:19] <Troy^> Bench64 apt-get doesn't work either it appears to be still being used
[20:19] <streulma> yet another bug, no 3d for menu's on the desktop
[20:19] <k1l_> !ot | Wulf  Phantom_2040
[20:19] <Orphis> reisio: Yes
[20:19] <Ben64> Troy^: so maybe it's still in the process?
[20:19] <streulma> no shadow
[20:19] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: no need to call the ops for that. please tell the user to take the offtopic to the offtopic channel first.
[20:19] <nanaasar> how many of you guys uses vagrant?
[20:19] <Orphis> reisio: There's no button or menu option to unmute. You have to press a keyboard button only. Poor UI design
[20:20] <Wulf> !botabuse | k1l_
[20:20] <Troy^> Ben64: not exactly sure where the log is and perhaps it's still running waiting for input tbh. just not sure how to get back to it.
[20:20] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, it's the same guy, no? the one you q'd earlier...
[20:20] <toeshred> Does Ubuntu use ffmpeg or avconv?
[20:21] <steveire> Hey, I'm having trouble upgrading. When I run the upgrade tool I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15972626/ How can I get more information about what the problem is?
[20:21] <Ben64> Troy^: did you run the upgrade in a screen
[20:21] <Troy^> Ben64: unfortunately no.. and what happened was my laptop went to sleep the one I was ssh'd from. :S
[20:21] <Pici> Ben64: fyi, do-release-upgrade spawns its own screen session.
[20:21] <Ben64> Pici: neat
[20:22] <Ben64> Troy^: then you should be able to ssh back in and open that screen
[20:22] <Troy^> Pici: yea it opened a ssh on port 1022 let me screen -r on this port
[20:22] <reisio> toeshred: Ubuntu uses what the Debian version it was based off uses
[20:22] <reisio> toeshred: Debian switched briefly to libav (avconv), but then back to ffmpeg, IIRC
[20:22] <reisio> toeshred: so it depends on which version you're using
[20:22] <ratrace> steveire: upgrading from which version?
[20:22] <reisio> toeshred: they're _mostly_ feature compatible, at any rate
[20:23] <toeshred> reisio: so 16.04 probably uses ffmpeg
[20:23] <k1l_> toeshred: it uses both
[20:23] <reisio> toeshred: that'd be my guess
[20:23] <steveire> $ cat /etc/issue
[20:23] <steveire> Ubuntu 15.10 \n \l
[20:23] <Troy^> Ben64: Pici: Doesn't seem to be a screen session with the installer
[20:23] <k1l_> toeshred: ffmpeg is included since 15.10 again
[20:23] <ratrace> steveire: huh, weird.
[20:24] <k1l_> !info ffmpeg wily | toeshred
[20:24] <reisio> is the libav package named libav-tools?
[20:24] <reisio> weird
[20:24] <Term1nal> (repost) Question, I'm not super savvy when it comes to kernels and setting up a linux system from base (which is why I use Ubuntu), is there perhaps anyone in the know that may be able to inform me if the latest version of ubuntu, with the new systemd bootloader, could support an IA32 EFI (no 64bit) system? I have a tablet that comes in such a configuration (Intel Atom Clovertrail), and have yet to be able to liberate it from the clutches of Windows.
[20:24] <steveire> ratrace: Right. The tool must somehow be determining that there is a problem, but instead of telling me what the problem is (conflicting package or whatever), it's telling me nothing. Is there some way to get more info?
[20:24] <Phantom_2040> whats up
[20:25] <k1l_> steveire: that stuff is caused by 3rd party repos and 3rd party packages
[20:26] <steveire> k1l_: The script disables those, right? Also, if there is a problematic 3rd party package, how do I find out what it is?
[20:26] <k1l_> steveire: "grep Broken /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:26] <k1l_> steveire: it disables the ppas but the ppa packages are still installed. and that maybe got depencies that the upgrade cant solve then.
[20:26] <steveire> http://termbin.com/pkik
[20:26] <jiggawattz> yo
[20:26] <jiggawattz> what's a xerus?
[20:27] <ratrace> some kind of a tree rat
[20:27] <dax> the first result on google for "xerus", oddly enough
[20:27] <ratrace> whowouldathunk!
[20:27] <jiggawattz> ah
[20:27] <k1l_> steveire: uh, that is a lot of broken stuff
[20:27] <steveire> k1l_: Lots of stuff there. I don't think I installed some ppa for kdepim or something.
[20:27] <jiggawattz> dax ▸ google is bogus for these answers
[20:27] <steveire> k1l_: Yes, I can't explain it...
[20:27] <dax> apparently not this time
[20:27] <reisio> hate, hate Debian/Ubuntu code names
[20:27] <reisio> serve no purpose but to confuse people
[20:28] <Troy^> Does anyone know where the log is for do-release-upgrade?
[20:28] <kevo_> Anyone there?
[20:28] <reisio> almost certainly within /var/log/
[20:28] <reisio> kevo_: sure
[20:28] <k1l_> steveire: "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:29] <kevo_> I'm having a huge issue with my 16.04 installs. Whenever I try booting live from USB to Ubuntu 16.04 or Ubuntu Gnome 16.04, I get some Busybox black screen stating errors about USB mounting or something like that?
[20:29] <kevo_> Is that a common issue right now?
[20:29] <steveire> k1l_: I just mv'd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to a backup location about an hour ago to get rid of it.
[20:29] <Wulf> kevo_: can you take a screen shot (or photo) of those errors and share it?
[20:30] <k1l_> steveire: :/ use ppa-purge to get rid of ppas, since that removes the ppa packages, too
[20:30] <stratos> press TAB
[20:30] <steveire> http://termbin.com/bkkc
[20:30] <stratos> and you get a menu
[20:30] <rektide_> i did an upgrade 15.10->15.04, trying to configure my display in unity-control-center gives me a "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files', anyone have suggestions?
[20:30] <rektide_> err ->16.04
[20:30] <kevo_> @Wulf Ummmm how?
[20:31] <ratrace> whit a smartphone if nothing else :)
[20:31] <Wulf> kevo_: I'm sure you know how to take a photo with the camera or a smartphone
[20:31] <rektide_> Xenial also was incompatible with arandr so i don't know what my fallback even is
[20:31] <kevo_> Okay sure and yeah I cant install the latest nvidia drivers with Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 its weird.
[20:32] <steveire> k1l_: http://termbin.com/n7ut is with the restored source.list.d
[20:32] <steveire> I installed ppa-purge, but I don't know what args to invoke it with...
[20:32] <kevo_> Wulf: brb with some links
[20:32] <Apachez> is it possible to set "Language for menus and windows" as a kernel boot paramter?
[20:33] <k1l_> steveire: uh yeah, those toolchain and xorg ppas are the cause
[20:33] <xet7> How do I install Ubuntu 16.04 with ZFS ? I don't see that filesystem in install options.
[20:34] <tiox> When do Ubuntu users receive updates through the software updater tool?
[20:34] <k1l_> !ppa-purge | steveire
[20:34] <safari> Hi! does anyone have experience with computer controlling milight/limitless leds?
[20:34] <steveire> k1l_: Ok. I tried this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15972805/
[20:34] <dean_> tiox: Whenever they are available
[20:35] <tiox> So I am on Ubuntu MATE< I should had receive them now, yes?
[20:35] <tiox> received it, the update rather.
[20:35] <Icedream> just here to say I successfully did the upgrade to 16.04, yay
[20:35] <ChunkzZ1> ubuntu won't boot -.-
[20:35] <dean_> tiox Do you mean an update to 16.04? Or just general application updates?
[20:35] <k1l_> steveire: well. look at http://termbin.com/pkik  and see where that packages come from. then remove that ppa /3rd party repo with ppa purge to have a clean original ubuntu
[20:36] <tiox> From Wily to Xerus.
[20:36] <tiox> Or Xeniel, whatever the codename is.
[20:36] <rektide_> ok, i have some custom userland stuff. i had to 'systemctl --user start unity-settings-daemon'
[20:36] <LinuxGuy2020> Ok so I'm really interested in these new snappy packages. Is it possible to install something from the repos or a PPA and then create a snappy of them to be easier to install on other machines or for backup on a server?
[20:37] <dean_> tiok I've always found the numbers easier to remeber :P It should be here for you now. Try running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:37] <davido_> Looks like sticky edges maybe are no longer sticky after moving launcher to the bottom.
[20:37] <steveire> k1l_: How do I see where it came from? Taking the first in the list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15972845/
[20:37] <k1l_> steveire: apt-cache show <package>
[20:38] <k1l_> steveire: or "apt-cache policy <package>"
[20:38] <dean_> tiox Check this out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[20:38] <steveire> k1l_: I just pasted the latter.
[20:38] <steveire> k1l_: It doesn't seem to come from a ppa
[20:39] <k1l_> steveire: its pssible that another bad package references that as a depencie in another version then
[20:39] <steveire> Ok, I'll try a few different ones
[20:40] <tiox> I think somehow I broke something then because I am using a version of the update manager that has notification support baked in, since I am not on Unity and wanted that feature from Linux Mint.
[20:41] <steveire> sudo ppa-purge ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/mesa Seems to be doing something useful
[20:43] <thesubroot> Hi everyone
[20:44] <thesubroot> I have a problem booting my ubuntu after upgrading to 16.04
[20:44] <Wulf> thesubroot: haha ;-)  Any more details?
[20:44] <thesubroot> It states that there is no file ordirectory /sbin/init
[20:45] <thesubroot> I did run fsck & e2fsck, same result
[20:45] <Wulf> thesubroot: try changing the kernel command line to use another init
[20:45] <k1l_> thesubroot: what upgrade was that?
[20:45] <styles> Hey, I'm using the AMD proprietary drivers and I have issues with apps flashing and not rendering sometimes.
[20:45] <Wulf> thesubroot: perhaps /lib/systemd/systemd or /bin/sh
[20:45] <thesubroot> Wulf: from 14.04
[20:46] <k1l_> thesubroot: how did you upgrade
[20:46] <styles> I can't really explain what I see but it's just... like the layer isn't there and what ever program was there is what this program shows for the UI.
[20:46] <Wulf> thesubroot: or create that symlink
[20:46] <Wulf> thesubroot: ln -s /lib/systemd/systemd /sbin/init
[20:46] <Ben64> Wulf: no
[20:46] <thesubroot> Wulf: I will try that.
[20:46] <Wulf> Ben64: why not?
[20:46] <Ben64> thesubroot: no
[20:46] <Ben64> because that's not correct
[20:47] <Wulf> Ben64: then please suggest something better
[20:47] <Ben64> i did. not doing that
[20:48] <Term1nal> styles: as to my knowledge, 16.04 doesn't have support for AMD proprietary drivers at current.
[20:48] <Term1nal> Or at least that was true for the beta
[20:48] <daniele_> Hi, guys, I have installed the beta of 16.04 in a server what can, I do to get the stable version?
[20:48] <thesubroot> k1l_: sudo update-manager -d
[20:48] <k1l_> amd dropped the fglrx for the new xorg versions
[20:48] <styles> Term1nal, I'm on 15.04
[20:48] <daniele_> Should I reinstall the server again?
[20:48] <Wulf> daniele_: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:48] <k1l_> styles: 15.04 is dead. upgrade asap
[20:48] <thesubroot> Ben64: Why it's not good?
[20:48] <Wulf> daniele_: should not be big difference
[20:49] <ouroumov> daniele_, sudo apt-get.... damned, ninjae'd
[20:49] <styles> k1l_, I just installed a month ago!
[20:49] <kilonux> Hello I need a friend to watch my boot problem, after physical accident, any experts here today?
[20:49] <safari> I've tried getting my rgbw led wifi controller working with scripts.  I've tried java, python and bash, all scripts give the same 'operation not permitted' when the script tries to send /dev/udp packets
[20:49] <k1l_> !final | daniele_
[20:49] <Wulf> kilonux: physical accident? Now you need someone to watch your boot? what?
[20:49] <Term1nal> styles: 15.04 is EOL, 15 (2015) 04 (april)
[20:49] <reveredge_> hey
[20:50] <vooze_> Should it be possible to connect to wifi from lockscreen? It says "Failed to add/activate connection, Insufficient privileges"
[20:50] <Term1nal> non LTS releases have 8(?) month life
[20:50] <thesubroot> I am stuck as all my work is in there :/
[20:50] <vooze_> (Ubuntu 16.04)
[20:50] <daniele_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded., does it mean I'm in the stable version of ubuntu now?
[20:50] <styles> alright ill upgrade :-/
[20:50] <thesubroot> Wulf: Is that command safe?
[20:50] <ChunkzZ1> do I have to use the ubuntu display manager and the desktop enviroment?
[20:50] <Wulf> daniele_: when did you install it?
[20:50] <k1l_> daniele_: that means you are on final
[20:50] <daniele_> just now
[20:50] <reveredge_> I want to define a shortcut to change the width of window to 75%. How can I do it?
[20:50] <kilonux> Wulf: it says : reebot and select proper Boot device
[20:50] <Wulf> thesubroot: it's already broken, and the command can't make it much worse
[20:50] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: choose the desktop you like
[20:51] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, I want to use i3-wm
[20:51] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: then use that
[20:51] <ChunkzZ1> and start it from startx from /.xinitrc
[20:51] <ice9> anybody encountered an issue while upgrading to xenial about libgconf-2-4?
[20:51] <Wulf> kilonux: is your hard drive broken?
[20:51] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: better use a *dm
[20:51] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, I would, if it booted.
[20:51] <kilonux> I dont think so
[20:51] <kilonux> i booted on a live usb stick and it is recogniced
[20:52] <thesubroot> Ben64: can you please tell me what wrong with manually symlinking the init file?
[20:52] <Ben64> thesubroot: there's probably a lot more going on, but go for it
[20:52] <deadlyninja> im using default ubuntu 16.04, how can i edit my mouse acceleration curve and stop the mouse from sticking at screen edges
[20:52] <kilonux> Wulf:  Gparted flags is as boot
[20:52] <LinuxGuy2020> Are there any official tools to convert a set of debs to a snappy package with all dependencies combined into it?
[20:53] <Wulf> kilonux: perhaps no boot loader like grub installed
[20:53] <kilonux> it was , untill it fell on the floor
[20:53] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, I don't want to use a dm though. I don't like the dm's or de's
[20:53] <ChunkzZ1> :/
[20:53] <Wulf> kilonux: buy a new hard drive ;P
[20:54] <Eightynine> Switched from Manjaro Gnome to Ubuntu 16.04. Guys you did great job. Thank you. The best Ubuntu I ever tried.
[20:54] <kilonux> even if Gparted flags it ok?
[20:55] <Term1nal> LinuxGuy2020: deb2snap ?
[20:55] <Term1nal> https://launchpad.net/deb2snap
[20:55] <reveredge_> I want to define a shortcut to change the width of window to 75%. How can I do it?
[20:55] <LinuxGuy2020> Term1nal: Have you used deb2snap?
[20:55] <Term1nal> https://github.com/mikix/deb2snap
[20:55] <Term1nal> better page
[20:55] <pajam_> @Wulf are you available?
[20:55] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: do what you want. but that is not the standard ubuntu setup and might have issues due to the way ubuntu is build around using a dm and drop sudo privileges
[20:55] <Term1nal> LinuxGuy2020: no, I just googled it
[20:55] <Wulf> pajam_: yup
[20:56] <spikebike> 16.04 upgrade says open the "software & udpates" in system settings, anyone know what it's actually called?
[20:56] <spikebike> (for 14.04)
[20:56] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | spikebike
[20:56] <pajam_> Wulf: This is kevo. I'm unable to send pics unfortunately but I can tell you exactly what it says.
[20:56] <spikebike> kil_ so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_or_15.10 is wrong?
[20:56] <Neepu> Hi. Do anyone have issues with installing .deb files in Ubuntu 16.04? Unable to install steam, vivaldi, and other software.
[20:56] <spikebike> ah, heh, they do mention it, sorry
[20:57] <Eightynine> Is there any chat program in 16.04?
[20:57] <Wulf> Neepu: broken dependencies in 3rd party packages? you may have to fix them manually
[20:57] <k1l_> spikebike: yep.
[20:57] <k1l_> Eightynine: the same as before. like hexchat
[20:57] <spikebike> kil_ that will teach me to read the google summary card for upgrading ;-)
[20:57] <Neepu> Wulf maybe, don't know as there are no errors given.
[20:57] <rekoil> is it possible to use systemd-boot with ubuntu in 16.04?
[20:58] <Eightynine> I searched in Dash and couldn't find it. Maybe I should install it?
[20:58] <rekoil> i mean, and have it keep up with kernel upgrades
[20:58] <Wulf> Neepu: no error but there are issues?!
[20:58] <rekoil> obviously i can set it up myself
[20:58] <pajam_> Wulf: [8.194086] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: gr: failed to load fecs_inst
[20:58] <rekoil> but i want it to track updated kernels
[20:58] <Neepu> Gnome software center rejects installing, without errors.
[20:59] <pajam_> Wulf: (initramfs) mount: mounting /dev/sdc1 on /casper-rw-backing failed: Device or resource busy
[20:59] <pajam_> Wulf: mounting /dev/loop0 on //filesystem.squashfs failed: No such device
[21:00] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, really? so what does the server image do!?
[21:00] <ChunkzZ1> sure that's headless
[21:00] <pajam_> Wulf: Can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs) on //filesystem.squashfs
[21:00] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: what got the server image to do with that? that doesnt have a dm or desktop at all.
[21:01] <Wulf> pajam_: sounds not good. But no idea why that happens. Sorry
[21:01] <Eightynine> Neepu: I've heard about that program. If you are installing downloaded package use Gdebi.
[21:01] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, forget I said anything.
[21:01] <pajam_> Wulf: It says that no matter what flavor of 16.04 I install. Never had an issue with 15.10 installs. I have a Asus X99-A and Intel i7 5820K with Nvidia GTX 980.
[21:02] <ChunkzZ1> I should be able to use ubuntu without the hog unity or a display manager imo.
[21:03] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: if you dont like unity install any other desktop that ubuntu ships. not need  to make a drama out of that. there are even isos shipping different desktops on the ubuntu base called "flavors"
[21:03] <ChunkzZ1> I'm not stupid.
[21:03] <ChunkzZ1> :/
[21:03] <k1l_> *sigh*
[21:03] <Eightynine> ChunkzZ1: you're right Unity is hog but it's pretty handy. Developers should optimize it though.
[21:04] <jastiv> should I uninstall pulseaudio?
[21:04] <ChunkzZ1> *sigh* indeed
[21:04] <ChunkzZ1> Eightynine, it's bad, because my laptop is a only a dual core 1ghz and 2gb ram. unity would fry it lmao
[21:04] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: then dont use unity. why are you making a drama?
[21:05] <spikebike> upgrade-manager -d it is.
[21:05] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, dude, have you read anything I said?!
[21:05] <k1l_> spikebike: stop
[21:05] <jastiv> so do I need pulse audio or not?
[21:05] <daniele_> is there a version of ubuntu server 16.04 for raspberry armhf?
[21:05] <ChunkzZ1> daniele_, I want to know that too!
[21:05] <spikebike> k1l_: why?
[21:05] <Eightynine> ChunkzZ1: maybe try MATE?
[21:05] <k1l_> spikebike: be aware the -d is for "developer" and that its not officially opened yet to upgrade to 16.04 from 14.04.
[21:06] <ChunkzZ1> Eightynine, nah, I like i3-wm
[21:06] <spikebike> k1l_: ya, I'll reinstall if needed
[21:06] <ChunkzZ1> thanks though
[21:06] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: i have read all your false statements and ramblings, yes.
[21:06] <studio_> Hi.
[21:06] <k1l_> spikebike: ok. just to make sure you know about that :)
[21:06] <daniele_> ubuntu mate is kind of desktop version I think
[21:06] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, well if you read what I said, I install the base package and reboot, everything is updated and ubuntu won't boot. how is that false?!
[21:06] <spikebike> xfce is nice and light if that's what you are looking for
[21:06] <Eightynine> That damn KiwiIRC hangs Firefox.
[21:07] <lai> got 16.04 up and running. Can someone tell me how PAM is different here? I have a pam_mount.conf.xml file from 14.04 that I would expect to place in /etc/security but there is no xml file there/
[21:07] <spikebike> personally I like unity, there's about 4 things I hate about it, but are easily removed/configured
[21:07] <ChunkzZ1> spikebike, it's a resource hog
[21:07] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: you did not talk about that since 17 mintes.
[21:07] <studio_> elementary-os desktop all the way!
[21:07] <ChunkzZ1> minutes*
[21:07] <Eightynine> I hate that it's hog and badly customizable. That's it.
[21:07] <ChunkzZ1> lmfao
[21:08] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, and you're an op here, how?
[21:08] <spikebike> ChunkzZ1: unless you are severly RAM constrained (if so you should spend another $20 on ram), I don't see it using a noticeable fraction of ram or cpu
[21:08] <Eightynine> Whats wrong?
[21:08] <pajam_> At least you guys can get to the install screen hahaha
[21:08] <spikebike> sure xfce is lighter, go for it
[21:08] <vooze_> Should it be possible to connect to wifi from lockscreen? It says "Failed to add/activate connection, Insufficient privileges" (ubuntu 16.04)
[21:08] <ChunkzZ1> spikebike, my ram is soldered on-to my mobo, I already thought of that. :p
[21:09] <spikebike> ChunkzZ1: yeah, sadly that's common on low end, fortunately I manage to find a haswell based chromebox with 2 dimm slots
[21:09] <k1l_> ChunkzZ1: any more rantings about unity or attitude against other users and thats it.
[21:09] <spikebike> hell of a system for $150
[21:09] <Eightynine> XFCE is not so light. For me it took 14% RAM while KDE5 took 15%. But it's definitely lighter than KDE4.
[21:09] <ChunkzZ1> spikebike, I only paid £40 so all is good. :)
[21:09] <spikebike> xfce: there's more to lighter than ram
[21:09] <lai> @k1l, do you know what's up with pam?
[21:10] <spikebike> opps Eightynine rather
[21:10] <ChunkzZ1> are we allowed to /ignore ops?
[21:10] <lai> don't know where to put my pam_mount.conf.xml in 16.04
[21:10] <ChunkzZ1> just curious...
[21:10] <Eightynine> I gave about 500$ for my PC in 2012
[21:10] <Wulf> ChunkzZ1: yes, please do.  Can someone tell me how PAM is different here? I have a pam_mount.conf.xml file from 14.04 that I would expect to place in /etc/security but there is no xml file there
[21:10] <spikebike> xfce impressed me when I could click open terminal 4 times as fast as I coudl, and by the time I released the button all 4 were mapped
[21:10] <pajam_> Anyone available to help me get to the install screen of Ubuntu 16.04? I keep running into BbusyBox (initramfs) usb 3-3: device descriptor read/8, error -110
[21:11] <ChunkzZ1> k1l_, I don't mean any harm, it's just irritating
[21:11] <ChunkzZ1> or however you spell it
[21:11] <pajam_> Unable to find a medium containing a live file system.
[21:11] <Eightynine> I have no idea what is PAM.
[21:11] <mave_> seriously?
[21:11] <gronke_> so, I just switched from fedora to ubuntu mate on my yoga 2. the yoga has the ability to go portrait mode when I turn it on its side. this was supported in fedora but not in MATE. do I need to install or configure something?
 pam lets you mount things like samba shares
[21:12] <Eightynine> Is there better app than HexChat? Maybe I should try Polari?
[21:12] <lai> and will mount the right shares depending on the user groups and permissions
[21:12] <appteam> Blankscreen with White Cursor. I think I installed Grub to the wrong partition on 16.04. Is the easiest way to fix this with BootRepairLinux?
[21:12] <spikebike> heh, pam is much mroe than that
 hexchat is quite great
[21:12] <spikebike> but yeah normal users don't need to be particularly aware of pam
[21:12] <Eightynine> So PAM is for servers?
 there's also KVIRC
[21:12] <yago> Hi guys! I'm trying to make a clean install of encrypted Ubuntu alongside a Windows partition. What I want is Ubuntu encrypted, asking for password when chosen in GRUB, and a normal non-encrypted Windows. However, I've seen an Ask Ubuntu answer saying that it wasn't possible, and another one saying that it is (with some steps on how to do it: http://askubuntu.com/a/293029/477290). Who should I trust?
 no. pam is for the client
[21:13] <spikebike> no pam is for all linux, it's how you can control auth for things like logins, ssh, file shares, 2 factor auth, screen locking, etc.
[21:13] <Eightynine> KVIRC is pretty good but it's for KDE.
[21:13] <Wulf> yago: I assume that it is possible
[21:13] <HomelessSanta> Hello all, I recently installed Ubuntu 16.04 and noticed within the Software Center no packages seem to inside the program itself. I cannot install VIM or various other packages.
[21:13] <Wulf> yago: but encryption and grub passwords are different things!
 any idea where to put the xml for mounts in 16.04?
[21:13] <lai> i don't see the config file in /etc/security
[21:13] <spikebike> lai: sorry no smb here
[21:14] <yago> Wulf: by password I meant the one required to unencrypt the drive, before being able to enter your user password
[21:14] <spikebike> lai: nfs and related I should be tinkering with in a few minutes
[21:14] <lai> good luck
[21:14] <uglyhammer> Hi. I've updated to 16.04 but don't see the new GNOME Software Center, but the Ubuntu Software Center still exists.
[21:14] <Wulf> yago: then it's no problem at all. But it's not 100% secure
[21:15] <Wulf> yago: the windows installation (or some program running on it) might tamper with your ubuntu, breaking the security
[21:15] <Eightynine> lai: can you please tell me how to put nickname into message in HexChat?
[21:15] <lai> yago, I think the feature is FDE (full disk encryption_
[21:15] <lai> meaning you may be encrypting the partition w windows
[21:16] <trevor_s> any reason why i wouldn't be able to mount a windows SMB share on ubuntu 14?  i have windows firewall off
 copy paste?
[21:16] <trevor_s> the windows machine can ping the ubuntu box fine
[21:16] <k1l_> Eightynine: type the beginning of the name, then press tab key
[21:16] <trevor_s> ubuntu cant ping windows though
[21:16] <Eightynine> Thank you
[21:16] <Wulf> trevor_s: firewall in windoze
[21:16] <trevor_s> Wulf, i turned off the windows firewall service
[21:16] <uglyhammer> And there is another strange new behaviour: There are no Ubuntu specific package sources in the list. Is this normal?
 how are you trying to mount?
[21:16] <Wulf> trevor_s: then ping should work
[21:17] <yago> Wulf: how could Windows read Ubuntu's data if it's encrypted? Sorry, I'm a bit unexperienced in encrypting drives
[21:17] <lai> yago, I think Wulf is wrong on that
[21:17] <Wulf> yago: install a key logger
[21:17] <trevor_s> Wulf, i know
[21:17] <akik> lai: does that pam_mount use the entered password when connecting the smb/cifs mount?
[21:17] <trevor_s> its messed up
[21:17] <lai> If you encrypt the drive, you're encrypting the entire drive, methink
[21:17] <yago> lai: That would fullfill my needs too, entering the encryption key to enter Windows, too
[21:17] <Wulf> lai: no.
[21:17] <lai> and you need grub to decrypt
[21:18] <lai> no?
[21:18] <lai> it's not FDE?
[21:18] <trevor_s> lai, mount.cifs //share /mnt
[21:18] <Wulf> lai: grub can't encrypt windows
[21:18] <trevor_s> lai, i even tried mount -t from root account
[21:18] <Wulf> lai: grub can't encrypt at all I think
[21:18] <dbarros> what happened to persistent settings on Start Up Disk Creator on 16.04, is it gone?
[21:18] <trevor_s> i keep getting mount error(115): operation now in progress
 you said you couldn't ping the samba server though?
[21:19] <trevor_s> lai, the samba server is a windows 10 box sharing a folder
[21:19] <lai> Wulf: grub to DECRYPT
[21:19] <Wulf> lai: neither can it decrypt. It's a boot loader.
[21:19] <trevor_s> lai, i would imagine since i cant even ping it... thats an issue
 and you can't ping?
[21:19] <trevor_s> lai, no, i cant ping it
[21:19] <lai> wulf, where do you enter your password to decrpyt?
 have you tried to ping with another window's machine?
[21:20] <Wulf> lai: grub starts linux and a initrd. There I enter my password
[21:20] <trevor_s> lai, negative
[21:20] <trevor_s> lai, i should do that
[21:20] <lai> wulf, you're in grub to give you password to decrpyt
[21:20] <Wulf> lai: I just found http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/  But I've never seen that in the wild.
 might be a good exercise
 so if you FDE, you're encrypting the Windows partition. How to you decrypt to boot into Windows?
[21:22] <uglyhammer> After I've upgraded to 16.04 there are no more Ubuntu specific package lists. Is this normal?
 your understanding is that you decrypt and then choose where to boot from?
[21:22] <k1l_> uglyhammer: what do you mean?
[21:22] <lai> i actually don't know the mechanics as I've not done FDE with dual boot
[21:22] <Eightynine> I found that Polari is better than HexChat. It's bad that I haven't try it before.
[21:22] <ObviousNewbie> Hi.  I have been using ubuntu for about three months now  - love it.  Heard that there is a new version released, when should I expect to get it?
[21:23] <Wulf> lai: when speaking to people, don't use <foo>, as this looks like you're quoting what they said earlier.
[21:23] <k1l_> ObviousNewbie: what is the output of "lsb_release -d" in terminal?
[21:23] <appteam> ObviousNewbie, http://omgubuntu.co.uk
[21:23] <lai> werd. it's from middle clicking with your name highlighted
[21:23] <appteam> ObviousNewbie, has some good info on where to start
[21:24] <ObviousNewbie> kll Ubuntu 15.10
[21:24] <lai> k1l: any place where I can find out info on pam in 16.04?
[21:24] <Wulf> lai: I have never seen *full* disc encryption either.
[21:24] <lai> really?
[21:24] <k1l_> lai: i am not familiar with pam, sorry
[21:24] <yago> Wulf, lai, I've been reading what you guys have been saying, and if what lai says is possible, how can Windows "understand" what's in the drive, if it's encrypted by Ubuntu?
[21:25] <k1l_> ObviousNewbie: run the update-manager. it should prompt you the upgrade
[21:25] <Wulf> yago: windows won't get encrypted by ubuntu. Period.
[21:25] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Before the ugrade there were many package lists for Ubuntu Wily Werwolf listet. But now there is not a single one.
[21:25] <Wulf> and grub isn't encrypted and (usually) the linux kernel and initrd aren't either
[21:25] <lai> yago: wulf may be right. I assumed that it was FDE
[21:25] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i dont understand what package lists you mean? where are those lists? inside a program?
[21:25] <lai> maybe I'm wrong
[21:26] <yago> Wulf: Alright, thanks for the clarification. So, as I see it, the only chance I have, is to keep encrypted ONLY Ubuntu's partition, right?
[21:26] <Wulf> yago: yes. But you won't be given the choice to encrypt windows anyway.
[21:26] <lai> you can encrypt the windows side as well through windows
[21:27] <uglyhammer> k1l_: I mean this list: http://itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Software-Sources-Ubuntu-13.04.jpeg
[21:27] <yago> lai: yeah, but I don't mind having Windows unencrypted
[21:27] <k1l_> uglyhammer: so you mean 3rd party software?
 lai: I have never seen *full* disc encryption either.  ---- check out dm_crypt
[21:28] <k1l_> uglyhammer: if you mean PPAs it depends on if the ppa maintainer already included packages for 16.04 already.
[21:28] <uglyhammer> k1l_: No, third party software is listet as it should be, but there are no package lists for 16.04 listet.
[21:28] <gfodranoel> Hello friends! All satisfied with the version 16.04?
[21:28] <yago> What I don't seem to understand is (in terms of security) the difference between partition encryption and FDE
[21:28] <uglyhammer> k1l_: But before the upgrade there were many of them for 15.10.
[21:28] <pedrito> yago: most of the system is not actually designed with privacy in mind, you see
[21:28] <pedrito> yago: things are stored in /tmp/, are stored in ram
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: data creeps out
[21:29] <pajam_> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/4fv8dw/ubuntu_1604_major_problem_help/
 so far so good. but can't figure out where to configure pam
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: however, for most purposes, there will be no actual difference
[21:29] <gronke_> is there anyone here who can help me with a simple shell scripting question?
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: after all, if a counter-security _professional_ wanted your data, neither encryption approach would stop them from getting it
[21:29] <vamsiampolu> I need a bit of help with installing Ubuntu http://superuser.com/questions/1068311/error-booting-from-ubuntu-15-04-live-usb
[21:29] <k1l_> uglyhammer: the example picture you showes is the 3rd party list.
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: encryption is great for one extra layer of protection against extremely casual threats
[21:29] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i really dont understand what lists you mean. do you mean the sources.list ?
[21:29] <pedrito> yago: which include most governments :)
[21:30] <vamsiampolu> I get a trace with ? acpi_pm_good_setup in it
[21:30] <pedrito> governments aren't usually allowed to clandestinely get into your data, they have to get a warrant and then approach you in obvious, silly ways
[21:30] <yago> pedrito: I'm aware of that, but that doesn't mean that I don't aim to do it as neat as possible ;)
[21:30] <duckgoose> encryption is good only if the NSA has a backdoor to it
[21:30] <pedrito> yago: course
[21:30] <pedrito> yago: with security, all you need to do is consider the effort you're putting forth vs the actual threats you are likely to encounter, that's all
[21:31] <pedrito> especially keeping in mind that if you put in a week's worth of effort, you probably /still/ wouldn't stop a professional from getting at your data, if your physical location is remotely publically known
[21:31] <yago> pedrito: If /tmp/ and such are in the same partition as the one encrypted with Ubuntu ('/' and all that stuff), wouldn't that be solved?
[21:31] <vamsiampolu> This is the trace http://paste.ubuntu.com/15973423/
[21:32] <k1l_> uglyhammer: can you show me a screenshot of what you mean? load it to imgur.com
[21:32] <pedrito> yago: if you're talking about dual booting, as far as a single OS is concerned, if you've encrypted the entire OS and the personal files you use for that OS, that is FDE
[21:32] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Okay, another question. I've two similar programs now: "Ubuntu Software Center" and "Ubuntu Software". "Ubuntu Software Center" opens the old classical Ubuntu Software Center. "Ubuntu Software" opens nothing.
[21:32] <pedrito> pedrito: that leaves only RAM, which is not something a professional would usually bother with anyway
[21:32] <Multbrelch> Hi all. So how is ubuntu 16.04, stable?
[21:32] <gronke_> so how do I kick my other nick off if I know the password? i'm logged in on another computer
[21:33] <duckgoose> yea how the hell is it stable
[21:33] <duckgoose> how they do dat
[21:33] <pedrito> Multbrelch: I was using it for a few weeks from the beta 2 image, seemed to work fine
[21:33] <pedrito> duckgoose: ?
[21:33] <Multbrelch> k
[21:33] <duckgoose> :*
[21:33] <tgm4883> duckgoose: be helpful
[21:33] <nanaasar> is ubuntu 16.04 public yet?
[21:33] <gfodranoel> lai: PAM (Pluggable Authentication modules) or Facial Autentication?
[21:33] <k1l_> uglyhammer: "ubuntu software" is the new software center. it is based on the gnome software center now.
[21:33] <pedrito> nanaasar: yes; ubuntu.com
[21:33] <Multbrelch> And what about Python 2.7. Is that also stable?
[21:34] <k1l_> !isitoutyet | nanaasar
[21:34] <uglyhammer> k1l_: But nothing happens when I click on it and the old Software Center is still available.
[21:34] <yago> pedrito: That's exactly what I expected! However, on Ubuntu's installation process, I can only check "Encrypt the new Ubuntu installation for security" option if I've selected "Erase all disk and install Ubuntu"
[21:34] <Multbrelch> ... I mean, after a manual install of Python 2.7
[21:34] <k1l_> uglyhammer: the old one dosent get removed on upgrade. but the new one should open.
[21:35] <nanaasar> pedrito: i have to try it out.. i hope the lagging issues will be gone on that version
[21:35] <lai> netsplit?
[21:35] <pedrito> nanaasar: which issues?
[21:35] <k1l_> uglyhammer: type "ubuntu-software" in a terminal and see what errors are tehre
[21:35] <yago> pedrito: While doing some googling is when I found out that there seems to be some difference between FDE and the partition encryption mentioned before
[21:35] <pedrito> yago: mmm, well I can't speak much to that; you can always setup your partitions yourself, and then do an advanced/manual partition setup
[21:36] <nanaasar> pedrito: it lags on my vm
[21:36] <uglyhammer> k1l_: How can I start it via the terminal? "gnome-software"? "software-center" opens the old one.
[21:36] <pedrito> yago: IIRC, Ubuntu's installer offers two: FDE, and /home/ alone (with ecryptfs)
[21:36] <pedrito> nanaasar: what does?
[21:36] <pmp6nl> Um why does a fesh install of 16.04 have the ubuntu software center in it and not the new one?
[21:36] <pedrito> nanaasar: most things lag on VMs, that is the nature of virtualization overhead
[21:36] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i said exactly what to type.
[21:36] <pedrito> pmp6nl: of ordinary 'Ubuntu'?
[21:36] <yano> so, i accidentally ctrl+c'ed in the middle of things installing while running "do-release-upgrade," and when i run it again (even with the -d) flag it says there is no release available anymore
[21:36] <nanaasar> it seems to be a graphcs card issue
[21:36] <lai> pedrito: I was saying the same thing. I thought it was FDE
[21:36] <ikbeneenheld> @pdrito depends on pc though
[21:36] <pmp6nl> pedrito, ya
[21:37] <lai> wulf was saying it wasn't FDE
[21:37] <uglyhammer> k1l_: gnome-software:8526): Gs-WARNING **: failed to open plugin /usr/lib/gs-plugins-9/libgs_plugin_xdg_app_reviews.so: /usr/lib/gs-plugins-9/libgs_plugin_xdg_app_reviews.so
[21:37] <lai> and would only encrypt the linux partition
[21:37] <pedrito> ikbeneenheld: what doesn't
[21:37] <pedrito> lai: again...
[21:37] <Norbin> i have an amd r9 380, how bad are the drivers? :{ thinking about installing current lts
[21:37] <k1l_> uglyhammer: should open with that warning.
[21:37] <uglyhammer> k1l_: I typed "gnome-software" actually, but the same error occurs when I type "ubuntu-software".
[21:37] <pedrito> if the installer is using 'FDE' to mean 'the entire OS' (irrespective of other OSes on the same disk), that's obviously imperfect language
[21:38] <pedrito> but the end result of encrypting all of the OS, and of encrypting the entire disk with multiple OSes on it, is the same
[21:38] <uglyhammer> k1l_: No it says "timeout" after the error and quits.
[21:38] <nanaasar> pedrito: the issue is when i try to minimize something.. it goes slow
[21:38] <pedrito> GNU/Linux does not, after all, store sensitive data in separate NTFS partitions, the way it does in /tmp/
[21:38] <pedrito> nanaasar: try not using Unity/compiz
[21:39] <pedrito> nanaasar: or not hardware virtualizing at all
[21:39] <ikbeneenheld> Norbin: drivers should be good on stability but they got new drivers so performance are yet to improve if you want gaming performance (why otherwise buy such a card) id dualboot)
[21:39] <yago> pedrito: If the installer natively supports encrypting only /home, I've been unable to find how
[21:39] <n1md4> so!  anyone upgraded yet ? :)
[21:39] <Orphis> Alright, pulseaudio is all broken for me in 16.04
[21:39] <n1md4> hahaha!
[21:40] <n1md4> (sorry, just comedy timing)
[21:40] <pedrito> yago: talking about 16.04?
[21:40] <yago> pedrito: Yup
[21:40] <Orphis> I tried checking pavucontrol & alsamixer and I couldn't get any sound from the kodi GUI (only mvoies would work as they use passthrough) or Spotify
[21:40] <n1md4> Orphis: out of interest is that by install or upgrade?
[21:40] <Orphis> Upgrade
[21:40] <Orphis> I had default settings before
[21:41] <n1md4> Right, I'm just doing the same now ...
[21:41] <dejour> does anyone have an opinion as to which is a better vpn server solution StrongSwan or OpenVPN?
[21:41] <Orphis> No .asoundrc either
[21:41] <Orphis> And I'm using Intel HDA audio with HDMI output
[21:41] <pedrito> dejour: for what, a proxy?
[21:41] <n1md4> dejour: I think OpenVPN is more popular, doesn't make it better necessarily.
[21:41] <laro> hello everyone. I tried to install ubuntu mate 16.04 32bit on my system (intel i7 6700k on ASUS z170 motherboard). And it installs but then it doesnt boot. I need the system to be 32bit. I tried changing options in CSM (legacy boot mode) in bios settings with no luck. Can somebody help? Thanks in advance
[21:41] <pedrito> you certainly wouldn't want to mistake the prefix "open" for actually meaning it is open (or "free"), at any rate
[21:42] <Orphis> n1md4: What sound card / output device are you trying to use?
[21:42] <gronke> Anyone know why my enable/disable touchpad hotkey won't work in Mate? I have a yoga 2. Every other hotkey works fine (vol up/down,etc)
[21:42] <ikbeneenheld> laro: why go with 32bit with that processor?
[21:42] <n1md4> laro: can you get a boot CD to grub, and then manually grub your way in?
[21:42] <n1md4> Orphis: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H HD Audio
[21:42] <ikbeneenheld> laro: did you disable safeboot?
[21:43] <n1md4> I've also go Nvidia card, and would like to have audio over HDMI - doesn't work out the box on 15.10.
[21:43] <lmw> Does Ubuntu have bloatware?
[21:43] <dejour> just looking for a secure open source way to connect to my home network. I have used OpenVPN before. I just was considering alternatives
[21:43] <pmp6nl> So whats the deal with the software center? All the pictures I see of Ubuntu 16.04 show the new one, my live boot has the old one?
[21:43] <pedrito> lmw: what's bloatware?
[21:43] <Wulf> lmw: lots of it, I guess
[21:43] <yago> pedrito: Yeah, may I ask you why?
[21:43] <pedrito> pmp6nl: you talking about the normal ubuntu 16.04 image?
[21:44] <pmp6nl> yes pedrito
[21:44] <pedrito> yago: sorry why what?
 yago: talking about 16.04?
[21:44] <pedrito> pmp6nl: hrmmm, I've only actually used the beta 2 image, it definitely had the new one ("software" is it called?)
[21:44] <pedrito> yago: oh, just so I can be clear what it is you're referring to
[21:44] <dejour> it is hard to find comparisons of OPenVPN and StrongSwan so I was hoping the Ubuntu community might have some opinions
[21:45] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Seemingly it's exactly this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1573052
[21:45] <pmp6nl> pedrito, yes, I used beta 2 and it was fine, but final was not
[21:45] <pajam_> Anyone able to help me get this bad boy installed?
[21:45] <lai> anyone get vbox5.0 installed?
[21:45] <pedrito> yago: you see this? http://www.tecmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Ubuntu-16.04-Installation-Type.png
[21:45] <pajam_> Having an issue that has never been a problem for me before.
[21:45] <pedrito> pmp6nl: odd, maybe they pushed it back
[21:45] <lai> software center won't do the install
[21:45] <spikebike> kudos to the ubuntu folks.  Ubuntu 14.04 desktop, nvidia card, usb audio, etc.  upgrade-manager -d, had about 1 minute of downtime, graphics work, networking works, login works, even my tabs came back
[21:45] <pedrito> pajam_: what issue is that?
[21:45] <Wulf> dejour: openvpn works great if the peer supports it to. strongswan is ipsec which is a PITA, but is a) a bit faster and b) supported by enterprise crap
[21:45] <spikebike> (just upgraded to 16.04)
[21:45] <Orphis> n1md4: I'm tempted of upgrading the kernel
[21:45] <pedrito> spikebike: coo
[21:46] <n1md4> Orphis: beyond the default in 16.04?
[21:46] <pmp6nl> pedrito, ya, its odd. And the only way to open it is by terminal
[21:46] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i got the same error and its starting
[21:46] <yago> pedrito: Yes I do, but with more options (for upgrading my previous Ubuntu install, installing 16.04 with it, etc)
[21:46] <Orphis> n1md4: Or reverting back to 4.2
[21:46] <k1l_> uglyhammer: so there seems to be another issue
[21:46] <n1md4> :)
[21:46] <davido_> It seems that openconnect may not be working with 16.04. ...or at least not for me.
[21:46] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Hm …
[21:46] <pajam_> drito: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/4fv8dw/ubuntu_1604_major_problem_help/
[21:46] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Can you too invoke the old software center via the dash?
[21:47] <k1l_> uglyhammer: yes
[21:47] <davido_> For example, when attempting to edit an openconnect connection: "Could not find VPN plugin service for 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.openconnect'."
[21:47] <k1l_> uglyhammer: if you dont want that, remove the package.
[21:47] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Okay, no problem for me, but I wonder why is this …
[21:48] <pajam_> pedrito: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/4fv8dw/ubuntu_1604_major_problem_help/
[21:48] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Two of them are a bit distracting I guess.
[21:48] <pmp6nl> pedrito, http://imgur.com/WHrSR2m
[21:48] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Confusing.
[21:48] <k1l_> uglyhammer: i dont know if there are still people wanting the old one.
[21:48] <ice9> where to find snap packages?
[21:48] <n1md4> So does 16.04 use Mir and Unity 8 out the box?
[21:48] <dejour> okay thank you for your help Wulf pedrito and n1md4
[21:48] <k1l_> uglyhammer: imho that is not an issue at all.
[21:48] <shiznix> getting the dreaded BSOD (black screen of death) regression when upgrading to Xenial :(
[21:48] <k1l_> n1md4: no.
[21:48] <pedrito> yago: ahhhhh
[21:49] <pedrito> yago: yeah wouldn't surprise me if upgrade options would differ from fresh install options
[21:49] <n1md4> k1l_: do you know if that's documented how make the change anywhere?
[21:49] <shiznix> but only after the display goes to sleep, tty console is broken too
[21:49] <pajam_> pedrito: No luck ehhhh?
[21:49] <k1l_> !unity8 | n1md4
[21:49] <n1md4> ... k1l_ or is it just an apt-get intall
[21:49] <uglyhammer> k1l_: I will reboot and test ubuntu-software again.
[21:49] <n1md4> Cool.
[21:49] <pajam_> pedrito: Just go back to 15.10 for now until things are ironed out I'm guessing?
[21:50] <qwert> how to get the lubuntu clock white?
[21:50] <yago> pedrito: What I'm trying to do is replacing my old Ubuntu installation, with an encrypted 16.04 one, but it seems it isn't that easy, haha
[21:50] <n1md4> k1l_: ah, Mir doesn't support gpu proprietary blobs yet.
[21:50] <pedrito> pajam_: try the minimalcd image instead
[21:50] <shiznix> OS seems to still be operating OK behind the black screen, so maybe broken video drivers for Intel gfx
[21:51] <pedrito> pajam_: has fewer things that can go wrong with it
[21:51] <Orphis> n1md4: Just booted on 4.2.0, everything works now
[21:51] <n1md4> Orphis: so what's with 16.04?
[21:51] <k1l_> n1md4: it does now. but the prop. driver makers are behind schedule
[21:51] <Orphis> Bad drivers?
[21:51] <pajam_> pedrito: What does that mean? Sorry new to the linux world.
[21:51] <pedrito> yago: it's not reallllll time efficient, but it /would be easy/ to backup your existing install, do a fresh install, and then copy back the configurations & data you want back
[21:51] <pedrito> pajam_: you want an amd64 desktop?
[21:51] <uglyhammer> k1l_: Lol, it works!
[21:51] <n1md4> k1l_: Ah, well a) the wiki needs updating, and b) I'll give it a go :)
[21:52] <pajam_> pedrito: yes
[21:52] <pedrito> that's what wiki means: "needs updating"
[21:52] <n1md4> pedrito: hah
[21:52] <ubuntu621> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu. I put it onto a usb, but when I pick to boot from a usb hd, it just boots back into windows again.
[21:52] <yago> pedrito: That's actually the plan, but the problem is that I cannot encrypt it from Ubuntu's installer because I'm using dual boot
[21:52] <pedrito> pajam_: I guess they've renamed it again: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/16.04/?_ga=1.146689076.1680370993.1461275406
[21:53] <n1md4> Ooo first issue, "could not install 'gconf2'" doesn't sound too important
[21:53] <pedrito> yago: well let me ask you an actually serious question: why're you dual booting?
[21:53] <uglyhammer> k1l_: I guess everything is fine now. Thanks for your support.
[21:53] <pedrito> yago: and let me follow that before you even answer with: if you must dual boot, why not use two separate disks
[21:53] <k1l_> ok
[21:54] <Guest71522> ubuntu did you go into the bios and set the first boot option to usb ?
[21:54] <pajam_> pedrito: do I download the mini.iso and use pendrive to flash to usb?
[21:54] <n1md4> Shame, that error seems to be holding the upgrade to randsom!
[21:54] <pedrito> pajam_: pendrive?
[21:54] <pedrito> pajam_: you put it on a usb, same as the other image you were using, anyway
[21:55] <vamsiampolu> http://askubuntu.com/questions/760188/error-installing-ubuntu-15-04-due-to-acpi-pm-good-setup
[21:55] <pedrito> pajam_: it's possible the process you're using to image to usb is the cause, however; so another thing you might try is unetbootin instead of whatever you're using
[21:55] <pedrito> pajam_: and if you've still no success, you could carefully try dd
[21:55] <yago> pedrito: I'm dual booting because, sadly, I *need* to use Windows, too. I'd use separate disks, but buying a new disk isn't in my budget, right now.
[21:55] <shiznix> err yep, broken intel drm kernel module -> kernel: [drm:intel_cpu_fifo_underrun_irq_handler] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun
[21:55] <ubuntu621> I actually just tried unetbootin, but it keeps trying to boot windows anyway. :C
[21:55] <Guest71522> fufus works well too
[21:55] <Guest71522> rufus
[21:55] <shiznix> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89806
[21:56] <shiznix> but really not fixed at all
[21:56] <shiznix> *sigh*
[21:56] <pedrito> yago: sure it is, disks are incredibly cheap
[21:56] <skypce> hello
[21:57] <pedrito> pedrito: I have a collection of spare disks I don't even use at this point
[21:57] <skypce> i was installed ubuntu 16.04 in virtual machine
[21:57] <pedrito> I'd give them away if I weren't so lazy
[21:57] <skypce> how can i install a snap package?
[21:58] <pedrito> skypce: #snappy ?
[21:58] <yago> pedrito: It's not about the disk on itself, but other components I'd need in order to put it. But don't worry, I'll give the Ask Ubuntu's answer a shot, and see if it works
[21:58] <Term1nal> There a way I can setup my /home partition as ZFS to a secondary drive during installation?
[21:59] <xangua> Term1nal: ext4 is recommended
[21:59] <n1md4> Upgrade has broken half way through, and scared to reboot!  Syncing home directory to back disk, and then will pray
[21:59] <pedrito> Term1nal: the manual partitioning part should allow that, yes
[22:00] <Term1nal> xangua: what kind of answer is that lol
[22:00] <yago> pedrito, Wulf, lai, thank you very much for your help!
[22:00] <pedrito> yago: something else silly but "simple" you could do is backup the windows install and remove it, then let Ubuntu FDE only the partition space you want it on, then put Windows back; that might work
[22:01] <Term1nal> ZFS is the one thing that keeps me itching to use BSD over Linux, now that it's baked into my first choice distro............
[22:01] <Orphis> n1md4: I'm going to try 4.5.2 now
[22:01] <pedrito> not nearly as simple as using another disk, though
[22:01] <pedrito> Term1nal: sounds like you don't know much about it :)
[22:01] <Term1nal> pedrito: :/
[22:01] <Term1nal> That's a pretty rude assumption
[22:01] <n1md4> Orphis: good luck!
[22:02] <pukkapi> Hey all, Im struggling to install docker, I've added the repo for 16.04 however docker-engine isn't there, any ideas?
[22:03] <pedrito> Term1nal: nah, everyone's ignorant of something
[22:03] <yago> pedrito: I've considered that, but it's my last last last resort, since it would take a lot to make the copies
[22:03] <pedrito> yago: ntfsclone makes it much faster
[22:03] <Term1nal> I run a rack of triple redundant FreeNAS boxes with 48TB ZFS pools with L2Arc
[22:03] <pedrito> but yeah, it's tedious
[22:03] <pedrito> Term1nal: sure you do
[22:03] <Term1nal> I was merely asking if ZFS was available during installation.
[22:03] <pedrito> and that probably makes you a zfs expert
[22:03] <pedrito> Term1nal: it should be, yes
[22:04] <Term1nal> since I'm about to install 16.04 fresh, having been on 14.04 for the last two years
[22:04] <spikebike> Term1nal: anything like that I'd recommend pure/simple during the fragile install period, then go crazy after first boot
[22:05] <pedrito> little backwards to change FS after installation, I'd say
[22:05] <yago> pedrito: I'm gonna rest for a while, I'll come back tomorrow and tell you if I was able to solve it. Thank you very much for your time!
[22:05] <Term1nal> hence the question. :D
[22:05] <spikebike> pedrito: for / I'd agree, for any other partition that's created empty not so much
[22:05] <n1md4> Orphis: see you on the other side!  (rebooting after upgrade!)
[22:06] <jushur> i make all my ZFS installs with an custom mastered arch linux iso, mostly because i need/want some powertools that is not on most isos (not even on resquecd)
[22:06] <Term1nal> not since when I started using ubuntu back in like '07 has an in-place distro upgrade ever worked for me
[22:06] <Term1nal> I can't believe all of the people entrusting the upgrade process on their working installs :D
[22:06] <jushur> and a tip about this is that you can make any disklayout you want and then use it for the install in ubuntu
[22:06] <Orphis> n1md4: No change with 4.5.2
[22:06] <pedrito> spikebike: I can't parse that :)
[22:07] <pedrito> Term1nal: I can't believe people would use a distro they couldn't trust that process to, though
[22:07]  * pedrito shrugs
[22:07] <Term1nal> pedrito: It's Linux
[22:07] <Term1nal> There's always -something- wrong.
[22:07] <spikebike> Term1nal: heh, the upgrade seems WAY more reliable than a fresh install from what I can tell
[22:07] <pedrito> sure, but it's also alawys surmountable
[22:07] <pedrito> always*
[22:07] <Term1nal> True
[22:08] <pedrito> my only point is that if I found a distro couldn't be upgraded reliably, even if requiring _some_ human intervention, I would not use that distro
[22:08] <spikebike> seen quite a few complaints about thumb drive based fresh installs not working
[22:08] <Term1nal> having been on this same install for 2 years... and not wanting to brick it trying an upgrade I don' t even know if I'll like yet.
[22:08] <spikebike> pedrito: heh, that's why I don't use centos/rhel
[22:08] <Term1nal> gonna slap a fresh SSD in this bad boy and start from square one
[22:09] <sruli> how do i know what my sys is using for swap? "swapon -s" gives me "/dev/dm-2. used =0 priority -1" but my swap partition is a lv
[22:09] <pedrito> Term1nal: well a single backup addresses that concern =)
[22:09] <pedrito> sruli: sounds like your swap is encrypted is all
[22:10] <sruli> pedrito: yes, the swap partition i made is in a luks vol, how do i know if the system is using that one?
[22:11] <ThePendulum> I understand ctrl + shift + u is supposed to activate unicode input, but this literally never worked for me. I'd be really curious to get this to work
[22:12] <ThePendulum> I'm on 15.10 now, been an ongoing issue since 11.04 or something I think, but I never really made an effort since I didn't really need them
[22:13] <ashley> upgraded my Ubuntu from 15.10 to 16.04, using the MATE desktop, now the Computer and Trash icons are gone from the desktop and http://askubuntu.com/questions/267049/how-to-display-trash-and-home-folder-icons suggests doing "gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.desktop computer-icon-visible true" but that results in an error: "No such key 'computer-icon-visible'". help? :)
[22:14] <pedrito> sruli: what don't you trust about swapon -s' output?
[22:14] <Guest71522> did u try using mate tweak that comes with it ?
[22:15] <yacc> Hi! Just upgraded 14.04 => 16.04, wasn't a great experience, but what packages do I need to install for the Ubuntu desktop?
[22:15] <vfw> yacc: ubuntu-desktop
[22:15] <pedrito> yacc: what desktop have you got now?
[22:15] <ikantspelwrdz> Me too. 16.04 is greased lightning.
[22:16] <sruli> pedrito: the swap lv i made is called llswap - how does that get to dm-2
[22:16] <yacc> Managed to get it start some of my programs, but a shell is missing (an error message says I should complain to the distribution), and it seems like no windowmanager is running either, the windows have no decoration at all.
[22:16] <yacc> pedrito: currently: ircII on text mode.
[22:16] <yacc> pedrito: before (14.04) Ubuntu standard desktop.
[22:16] <pedrito> sruli: swap is determined by what you have in /etc/fstab, what is actually mkswap'd & swapon'd, and that's about it
[22:16] <ThePendulum> yacc: hmm, you upgraded directly from 14.04? I'd typically reinstall
[22:17] <nicomachus> there should be a valid update path from 14.04.
[22:17] <ThePendulum> bit more tedious administratively, but it saves technical hassle
[22:17] <vfw> yacc: sudo apt-get update
[22:17] <pedrito> yacc: didn't realize people still used ircii
[22:17] <ikantspelwrdz> yeah reinstall mate. It would take forever to troubleshoot that.
[22:17] <yacc> vfw: It tells me that ubuntu-desktop is isntalled.
[22:17] <yacc> pedrito: well, if X11 is not really working, it kind is nice.
[22:17] <pedrito> might need to re/configure and/or start the DM (lightdm, probably) service, then
[22:17] <Term1nal> pedrito: It amazes me that people still use vi/vim/emacs :D
[22:18] <yacc> terminal: How else would you admin (vi) a box or develop software (emacs)?
[22:18] <vfw> yacc: sudo apt-get update # Any errors?
[22:18] <pedrito> Term1nal: amazes me people use anything else :)
[22:18] <Term1nal> admin (nano) develop software (sublimetext)
[22:18] <Term1nal> :3
[22:19] <yacc> vfw: no errors, just three xenial repos configured.
[22:19] <vfw> yacc: sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:19] <Term1nal> actually, that's a bit out of date now, I use visual studio code now for my software development (golang)
[22:19] <yacc> vfw: nothing.
[22:19] <Term1nal> The go plugin for visual studio code is ~amazing~
[22:20] <vfw> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log  # See if you see errors.
[22:21] <yacc> Ok, after removing the lightdm.conf file I managed to login by typing in my password => "A shell is missing, complain to your distribution."
[22:21] <yacc> vfw: no errors.
[22:22] <yacc> Wonder where .xsession-errors disappeared, one could hope that one could see what the X11 session spits out on stderr, ..
[22:22] <yacc> A .xsession-error is there :)
[22:23] <yacc> But it's from plasma, sigh.
[22:24] <J0hnD03ii> my brightness keys aren't working with ubuntu 16.04 :(
[22:24] <yacc> Ok, when I switch to Ubuntu, it shows me for 1-2 seconds "a problem with a system app was detected" and I'm back at the login prompt.
[22:24] <yacc> Now, where can I see the error with the system app?
[22:25] <pedrito> yacc: plasma? Thought you were after ubuntu-desktop
[22:25] <vfw> yacc: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:26] <J0hnD03ii> anyone got any ideas? asus x501U brightness keys not working
[22:26] <yacc> vfw: nothing (did it already, it installed 4 perl packages).
[22:26] <jatt> cannot connect with ssh after upgrade to xenial
[22:26] <jatt> no matching cipher found. Their offer: arcfour,blowfish-cbc
[22:27] <jatt> worked fine before
[22:27] <yacc> Just curious: How would a GPU free X11 server showup in unity behavior?
[22:27] <yacc> I heard the fall back mode is gone.
[22:27] <yacc> compiz crashes.
[22:28] <yacc> pedrito: yes, but I had some KDE software installed that pulled much of KDE anyway.
[22:28] <pedrito> onboard intel can usually handle compiz these days
[22:28] <yacc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15973910/
[22:28] <yacc> That's my xsession-error
[22:29] <gronke> I went from fedora 23 to ubuntu mate, and now my chrome has screen tearing in it when I scroll down. that's annoying.
[22:30] <nanaasar> ubuntu 16.04 what does the no support for amd graphics card means... i saw it somewhere
[22:30] <pedrito> nanaasar: eh?
[22:30] <spikebike> it means they recommend the opensource driver
[22:30] <gerti> guys  any  one can  help me  how to fix  wordpress
[22:30] <gerti> ?
[22:31] <yacc> libqpa-mirserver, what's that?
[22:31] <pedrito> gerti: rewrite it in another language?
[22:31] <nanaasar> pedrito: i have ATI graphics card that why i was asking
[22:31] <pedrito> nanaasar: not sure what you saw, or what your problem is, if you even have on =)
[22:31] <gronke> also it's really discouraging that I've asked about 5 or 6 questions in this channel in the past few hours and literally zero of them have gotten a response despite the fact that there's almost 2000 people in this channel. it makes me discouraged about the acceptance of the ubuntu community.
[22:32] <vfw> gerti: /join #wordpress
[22:32] <pedrito> gronke: I only see two msgs from you in my lastlog
[22:32] <pedrito> been here for about an hour
[22:32] <J0hnD03ii> gronke, give people a chance, if someone knows, they'll answer. I need help too!
[22:32] <pedrito> gronke: anyway, sounds like you have changed graphics drivers
[22:33] <vfw> gronke: Maybe your attitude?
[22:33] <pedrito> maybe your imagination
[22:33] <satysin> hi all
[22:33] <pedrito> hi sat
[22:34] <gronke> there was no attitude until now, I am just annoyed and i honestly thought maybe someone had muted me and I was invisible
[22:34] <satysin> Having a real pain with a wifi issue on 16.04
[22:34] <satysin> its not connecting at full wifi speed
[22:34] <J0hnD03ii> that's not ubuntu's fault satysin
[22:34] <spikebike> wow, my system was 85% full when I had 14.04, now at 16.04 it's 83% full
[22:34] <pedrito> gronke: "anybody see this msg?" is the way to address that, IME
[22:34] <vfw> gronke: Why don't you try asking a support question?
[22:34] <pedrito> to which you'll get the reply "nope", at which point you'll know they see it
[22:34] <satysin> windows gets about 20mbps faster consistently
[22:35] <J0hnD03ii> windows is a different ball game satysin
[22:35] <satysin> yes but this card should work just fine apparently
[22:35] <satysin> under linux i mean
[22:35] <J0hnD03ii> dunno, I can't get my brightness working - on my 8th install -.-
[22:35] <gronke> vfw I've asked plenty. Here are the ones I have asked so far: 1. I have a Yoga 2. Screen rotation to portrait mode was automatic with Fedora 23. In MATE it doesn't seem to be working and I dont know how to enable it. 2. My enable/disable touchpad key (F6) does not work, but every other hotkey works fine. I would like to figure out how to enable that. 3. I just realized I have screen tearing in chrome when scrolling, which also didn't happen in Fedora 23.
[22:36] <nedstark> fedora 23 with what desktop environment
[22:36] <gronke> gnome 3
[22:36] <nedstark> try gnome 3 in ubuntu
[22:36] <gronke> would the DE control the screen rotation?
[22:37] <J0hnD03ii> yes iirc
[22:37] <gronke> okay thanks
[22:37] <pedrito> gronke: pick one, ask again, repeat
[22:37] <spikebike> gronke: a few dozen or less people are active, I suspect none have yoga's, or rotate their screens often.  MATE isn't particularly popular either.  Generally for such specific stuff I have better luck with google, or a forum particular to that specific hardware
[22:37] <ubuntu> naruto
[22:37] <Guy1524> Hey guys, I really need help, I had nvidia-364 installed in 15.10, but then I was crashing on boot so I purged nvidia* and installed nvidia-361 since 364 wasn't found, what happened to nvidia-364
[22:37] <gronke> The touchpad issue is just very frustrating. I think it's specific to this yoga 2, but I have no idea why *every single hotkey* works except the f6. the same thing also happened in fedora 23.
[22:37] <Guy1524> im guessing there was a ppa uninstalled during the installation
[22:38] <gronke> I've checked in the console and the f6 key does not record anything when I press it, but when I press [fn][f6] (to actually input f6) it records an f6 was pressed
[22:38] <vfw> gronke:  Ubuntu uses Unity.  You should /join #mate  or /join #gnome and ask questions there.  etc. etc.
[22:38] <yacc_> Ok, I think I'm enjoying no OpenGL in 16.04 => glxinfo | grep render gives some messages that GLX is missing.
[22:38] <nedstark> #ubuntu-gnome, its a supported spin of ubuntu
[22:38] <yacc_> Btw, I managed to login using the "Motif Window Manager" session, which sucks at best.
[22:38] <gronke> would the screen tearing be a desktop environment issue as well?
[22:38] <spikebike> gronke: maybe google linux disable trackpad and yoga
[22:39] <yacc_> So how do I make sure that I have the needed packages for Intel GPU support?
[22:39] <vfw> gronke: And as nedstark suggests #ubuntu-gnome
[22:39] <Guy1524> guys, what ppa gives me nvidia-364?
[22:39] <Guy1524> vfw: This channel supports: Ubuntu and its official flavors
[22:39] <Guy1524> nedstark: This channel supports: Ubuntu and its official flavors
[22:39] <evng> Hello, on my 16.04 the program "wget" keeps crashing everytime I start it... a couple seconds before it starts with the error "wget crashed with SIGSEGV in __memset_avx2()" ... does anyone have the same problem and/or what can I do to fix it ? thanks
[22:39] <J0hnD03ii> I found some info on google about my brightness not working, they say to add "acpi_osi=" to grub and update grub/reboot. does anyone know what this command actually does?
[22:39] <nedstark> Guy1524, i figured, but they have more gnome expertise
[22:40] <Guy1524> k
[22:40] <J0hnD03ii> am I muted?
[22:40] <nedstark> not now
[22:40] <Wulf> J0hnD03ii: yes, you are
[22:40] <J0hnD03ii> huh
[22:41] <nedstark> n0t mut3d
[22:41] <vfw> Guy1524: Yes, I know, but there other channels that may have specific information that may be of value to gronke.  I'm not saying he should leave this channel, or not ask the questions he is asking here, but am offering supplemental information.  (He was complaining that he did not get satisfactory answers here.)
[22:41] <ngalim> !isitout
[22:41] <Guy1524> ok
[22:41] <yacc_> [  1218.959] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver
[22:41] <yacc_>  not found)
[22:41] <yacc_> Any ideas?
[22:41] <gronke> it wasn't satisfactory answers, it was that literally no one even said "wow that sucks" or anything, no one even responded. it was just discouraging that's all
[22:41] <Guy1524> im guessing its a busy day lol
[22:42] <gronke> I'm sorry for losing my cool it's been a long day
[22:42] <J0hnD03ii> Guy1524, release days are always busy :p
[22:42] <Guy1524> ya lol, I would imagine
[22:44] <vfw> gronke: Many of us find that on a busy channel like this one, if we don't have any useful information to share, it's best to just not comment one way or the other. (Leave the space for really useful information.)
[22:44] <pedrito> gronke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wugWGhItaQA
[22:44] <J0hnD03ii> and another question, will the pi 2/3 have ubuntu 16.04?
[22:44] <kevo_> Yay fixed my install issue from Windows. Used Unetbootin instead of PenDrive Linux.
[22:45] <vfw> J0hnD03ii: I understand that they are working on it (for PI-3).
[22:45] <J0hnD03ii> kevo_, should've used rufus
[22:45] <J0hnD03ii> vfw, cheers
[22:45] <kevo_> rufus?
[22:45] <kevo_> link?
[22:45] <Guy1524> from the looks of it nvidia disabled nvidia 364!
[22:45] <J0hnD03ii> !g rufus
[22:45] <dbarros> so what happened to the persistent module in Startup Disk Creator?
[22:45] <evng> so... does anyone have problems with "wget" on 16.04 ? cause mine is crashing everytime I start it... anyone?
[22:45] <J0hnD03ii> well, that failed.
[22:45] <Guy1524> nvidia-361 is known to suck
[22:46] <yacc_> Ok, any description how handle Intel Optimus laptops on 16.04?
[22:46] <J0hnD03ii> kevo_, https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[22:46] <Elias_Caplan> Can someone give me the terminal color hex for the currunt ubuntu release?
[22:46] <Guy1524> yacc_: oh you have optimus, Im sorry for your loss lol
[22:46] <Elias_Caplan> The default color.
[22:46] <kevo_> Is Ubuntu Gnome flavor broken on 16.04 branch?
[22:47] <yacc_> Guy1524, lol, funny, you've got one of the couple of non-Optimus laptops on the market?
[22:47] <yacc_> Guy1524, i7 quads I mean ;)
[22:47]  * J0hnD03ii doesn't know what an optimus laptop is
[22:47] <Guy1524> no, I have a desktop
[22:47] <yacc_> Guy1524, these seems to come mostly with a discrete GPU, and that usually means Optimus.
[22:48] <noooob> Guys i had many troubles with nvidia-current (no mouse clicks possible in gnome-shell). Installing nvidia-340 seems to solve those: now my question: why does nvidia-current still depend on nvidia-304 which obviously seems much too old for the Xserver?
[22:49] <yacc_> J0hnD03ii, a laptop that has an Intel GPU as primary GPU, and second Nvidia GPU that is connected in a slightly stupid way to the Intel GPU.
[22:49] <vfw> noooob: Relying on Nvidia for thise updates / advancements is hit-and-miss.
[22:49] <squinty> evng: no problems here with wget
[22:49] <evng> squinty, ok thanks.. I wonder what is the problem on mine then ... :(
[22:51] <squinty> evng:  maybe try   sudo apt install --reinstall wget
[22:52] <evng> squinty, just tried... still crash
[22:52] <evng> squinty, have you tried to wget a big file or a small one ?
[22:52] <Guy1524> when will there be less people on here?
[22:52] <duckgoose> Guy1524 never
[22:52] <Guy1524> ):
[22:53] <kevo_> google-chrome-stable dpkg not working?
[22:53] <Xali> when trying to install java on ubuntu, the readme says use the command make to compile and install but does not work?
[22:53] <squinty> evng: tried  wget https://rufus.akeo.ie/downloads/rufus-2.8.exe
[22:53] <xangua> kevo_: ask Google, or you can try chromium browser
[22:53] <pauljw> evng, when you say crash, what is it doing?
[22:53] <vfw> J0hnD03ii: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiS88yB6aDMAhXC0iYKHVxfCYgQFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntu.com%2FARM%2FRaspberryPi&usg=AFQjCNHHhZ4rZ02-9M0e7BdRq4JB1sXy7Q&sig2=Mz44oBfwnpOvIP5rWy0IRg  &
[22:53] <vfw> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiS88yB6aDMAhXC0iYKHVxfCYgQFgglMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeveloper.ubuntu.com%2Fen%2Fsnappy%2Fstart%2Fraspberry-pi-2%2F&usg=AFQjCNE6gyyID4AQu0bZ9rcJR9wBh5pAxQ&sig2=4o7SpBUCXiWFiWy3yPl03g
[22:53] <Xali> it says use make to compile, but i get this make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[22:54] <evng> pauljw, core dump .. SIGSEGV in __memset_avx2()
[22:54] <vfw> Sorry, didn't know those two URLS were so long, (or I would have used PM
[22:54] <Xali> make '/home/xali/Downloads/icedtea-web-1.6.2'
[22:54] <Xali> make: Nothing to be done for '/home/xali/Downloads/icedtea-web-1.6.2'.
[22:54] <J0hnD03ii> vfw, is that 16.04?
[22:54] <evng> squinty, that file is too small for me to trigger the crash
[22:55] <evng> squinty, the crash happens after 3-4 seconds
[22:55] <J0hnD03ii> 15.04 vfw but thanks anyway
[22:55] <noooob> Xali: why dont you use the repository versions of java?
[22:57] <anarcat> congrats ubuntu
[22:58] <totem> anarcat, thank you
[22:59] <noooob> why is nvidia-304 still the default? this should be deprecated by now and nvidia-340 be the default!!!
[22:59] <totem> reisio, hi
[23:00] <nedstark> what does it offer under "Additional Drivers"?
[23:00] <squinty> evng,   seems to work fine downloading a fresh firefox from the firefox site without any problems   around 42 megabytes and definitely took longer that 3 to 4 seconds
[23:01] <squinty> evng,  took longer than 3 to 4 seconds
[23:01] <noooob> nedstark: i installed nvidia-current which depends on nvidia-304 which is not current at all, in fact its too old for the XServer of 16.04
[23:01] <reisio> totem: heyo
[23:01] <evng> squinty, try this: wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:01] <evng> squinty, it works for me on a file of 50mb
[23:02] <evng> squinty, but crashes on big files
[23:02] <reisio> noooob: the latest version of the nvidia driver will not always be the best for a particular device
[23:02] <reisio> nvidia doesn't do roughly eternal support the way open source software does
[23:02] <totem> reisio, do you ubuntu too?
[23:02] <johnjohn101> wondering when they will stop calling it amd64 :)
[23:02] <squinty> evng, not really into downloading a giga byte file  try using torrents   way more reliable imho
[23:02] <reisio> totem: incredibly occasionally
[23:02] <nicomachus> waiting for you to tell them to, johnjohn101
[23:03] <johnjohn101> hi nicomachus
[23:03] <evng> squinty, just try to download it for 10sec to see if it crashes
[23:03] <nicomachus> hi johnjohn101!
[23:03] <noooob> reisio: but the nvidia-current is too old, it wont work with mouse on gnome-shell (mouse clicks will be silently ignored and such). not even gdm lets me click on login with nvidia-304
[23:04] <noooob> reisio: it seems to be a known problem on fedora too, hence i found with google the suggestion to use nvidia-340 instead, which works fine now for a few minutes
[23:04] <squinty> evng: I stopped it at 100 meg    seems to be working fine
[23:04] <evng> squinty, ok thanks
[23:04] <squinty> evng,  yw
[23:05] <reisio> noooob: so... all set, then?
[23:07] <noooob> reisio: i very much hope so, but still i was used to install nvidia-current to have the correct driver for the release i installed, seems that is not the case anymore in 16.04. I think its dependency should be upgraded to nvidia-340, i dont see in which scenario someone wants to have a broken xserver (nvidia-304)
[23:07] <Guy1524> is it safe to manually install nvidia's 364.16 driver since some people are morons and decided to make 364 not available via apt in 16.04?
[23:08] <reisio> noooob: don't confuse broken and older version
[23:08] <reisio> particularly not with proprietary software
[23:08] <reisio> Guy1524: yes, it's safe
[23:08] <reisio> do be sure your device is actually listed as supported by that driver version, at least, however
[23:08] <Guy1524> ok
[23:09] <Guy1524> it is, I have a normal GTX 960
[23:09] <noooob> reisio: i think nvidia-304 just dont provide the correct interface to deliver mouse events correctly to the xserver anymore, but thats only a guess from my experience with it
[23:09] <stefano__> Hi everyone! i need to use javac but can't install package. can someone help me?
[23:09] <the-punisher> hello
[23:10] <reisio> noooob: if you want something reliable, try nouveau
[23:10] <reisio> the-punisher: hi
[23:11] <noooob> reisio: yeah that was my hope too, but its totally unreliable unfortunately, many graphics glitches and it froze my system bad enough that sysrq almost did not work for reboot
[23:11] <reisio> hrmmm
[23:11] <reisio> could be your graphics device is a lovely unicorn :)
[23:12] <noooob> reisio: yeah i think so, it never worked properly with nouveau, but always worked with nvidia-current (until 16.04 came out)
[23:13] <reisio> noooob: then you could just use whatever -current was before, yeah
[23:14] <noooob> reisio: yeah -current always was on the ancient 304 which is too old for the new xserver now i guess, so cant use nvidia-current on 16.04 anymore
[23:15] <noooob> nvidia-current should be renamed to nvidia-ancient or its dependency upgraded to nvidia-340
[23:16] <nailsom> #ubuntu-br
[23:16] <reisio> mmm, really versions should never be replaced with words
[23:16] <reisio> but also ideally you'd not have to use proprietary nonsense, either
[23:17] <reisio> nouveau devs fast, though
[23:17] <noooob> im waiting for years, im not sure if nouveau ever will be ready to replace nvidia binary on my system
[23:18] <noooob> would very much prefer nouveau, but i guess its not ready yet
[23:19] <[Saint]> Perhaps things would move quicker if you did more than just wait.
[23:21] <reisio> noooob: not for your particular device, quite possible
[23:21] <noooob> [Saint]: yeah but its a bit, well difficult, to debug a freeze which is bad enough that sysrq barely could manage to reboot the box
[23:21] <luban> hello - i'm new to linux. i've heard there's a new ubuntu upgrade and i'm running lubuntu. should i upgrade?
[23:23] <dax> i'd give it a week or two to settle down, personally
[23:23] <dax> or if you're on 14.04 currently, just wait for 16.04.1 in a few months
[23:23] <reisio> luban: you should upgrade before 14 is unsupported, yes
[23:24] <reisio> you should really always be upgrading, whenever you have the time
[23:24] <luban> awesome - thanks for that. i wasn't sure
[23:24] <reisio> be proactive
[23:24] <noooob> i dont blame the nouveau ppl, they do awesome work and its very impressive how far they have come given the difficulty of the situation with nvidia cards. I rather would blame nvidia and my card itself
[23:24] <johnjohn101> luban: what lubuntu are you running?
[23:24] <luban> the most recent
[23:25] <johnjohn101> 15.10?
[23:25] <luban> i believe so
[23:25] <Guy1524> hello guys, so I writing this from irssi command-line irc because I tried manually installing the nvidia-364.16 driver but gdm will not start, here is sudo service gdm status: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15974229
[23:25] <luban> yes it is
[23:26] <Guy1524> what should I do?
[23:26] <nownot> i added a new drive to my mdadm array upon rebuild I do df -h and the array shows the old volume size. anything I need to explore to get this showing correctly? its 9x2tb showing 11tb :/
[23:26] <de-facto> luban you can find out from a terminal with cat /etc/lsb-release
[23:26] <johnjohn101> luban: that release is supported for 3 more months, you'll need to upgrade in that time period
[23:26] <Guy1524> one thing is did say is that the distro pre-install script failed to run but I ingnored that
[23:27] <luban> cheers - i've written that command down for future
[23:27] <Guy1524> I really need help guys, can't search the web because I can't launch gdm
[23:27] <Guy1524> I guess I could try installing lightdm but I highly doubt that would do anything
[23:27] <[Saint]> lynx
[23:27] <Guy1524> I guess Ill try it in tty3
[23:28] <reisio> Guy1524: ps aux | grep -i gdm
[23:28] <Guy1524> reisio: ok, trying that
[23:28] <noooob> Guy1524: try "sudo apt install nvidia-340"
[23:29] <Guy1524> noooob: I know I could fix it by installing nvidia-(insert driver here) but I want 364.16
[23:30] <Guy1524> but for some reason either nvidia or canonical decided they should stick the the infamously crappy 361 driver
[23:30] <noooob> Guy1524: i tried the 361 from the repos and it was just displaying me fancy squares, so i reverted back to 340 (which seems to be the only one that works on 16.04 for me)
[23:30] <Guy1524> reisio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15974290
[23:31] <Guy1524> noooob: 361 works fine for me, but I need vulkan support plus, it crashes when I try to play rust
[23:32] <Guy1524> and 355 isn't supported either and that has vulkan support just not 1.0.8 like 364 does and my engine crashes on those older versions
[23:32] <reisio> Guy1524: sudo service gdm stop; ps aux | grep -i gdm3 | egrep -i '\/gdm3' && sudo killall gdm3; sudo service gdm start
[23:32] <Guy1524> oh wow, it will be fun typing that command out lol
[23:34] <Guy1524> job for gdm.service failed the control process exited with an error code
[23:35] <reisio> Guy1524: so you aren't on tty7 at a login screen right now
[23:35] <Guy1524> triggering OnFailure= dependencies
[23:35] <Guy1524> nope
[23:36] <Guy1524> I installed lightdm just recently
[23:36] <Guy1524> how do I start that?
[23:36] <user_> Hi
[23:36] <user_> Ubuntu 16.04 support ZFS , if I want a stable system as a desktop for daily use , Will advise use ZFS instead of  EXT4 ?
[23:36] <reisio> Guy1524: let's start more basic
[23:36] <reisio> Guy1524: you want to start GNOME in the end?
[23:36] <reisio> user_: should be fine, yes
[23:37] <reisio> user_: zfs has been supported for many years, it just hasn't been bundled with installers
[23:37] <chewyTree> Hello everyone!
[23:37] <reisio> it has a crappy license; there's an argument it isn't legal to bundle it
[23:37] <reisio> not much to do with stability, though
[23:37] <reisio> chewyTree: hio
[23:37] <snascar> hello friends..
[23:37] <chewyTree> Regarding end of update..it states packages that are to removed
[23:38] <reisio> hi friend (hi friend [HI FRIEND])
[23:38] <ratrace> reisio: I'm pretty sure the jury is still out on that one.
[23:38] <ratrace> the figurative jury.
[23:38] <reisio> ratrace: that's how almost all licensure law is, really
[23:38] <reisio> until someone sues someone else
[23:38] <chewyTree> I pressed d to show details..now im stuck on a list of packages to be removed
[23:38] <Guy1524_> reisio: I am on my brother's computer, typing sudo service lightdm start crashed the computer
[23:38] <chewyTree> and i dont know how to complete the install
[23:38] <reisio> it's all theoretical till there's a precident
[23:38] <reisio> Guy1524_: not really interested in what things I didn't ask you to run did :)
[23:39] <Guy1524_> well I was just trying to see if lightdm would work
[23:39] <reisio> chewyTree: tab?
[23:39] <reisio> Guy1524_: that's nice...
[23:39] <Guy1524_> what am I only supposed to try what you tell me to do and nothing else
[23:39] <reisio> not at all
[23:39] <chewyTree> reisio: nothing
[23:39] <reisio> but no need to prepend my nick on something I haven't expressed an interest in
[23:39] <user_> I know, but Is it fully compatible with Linux ? in Basically ZFS for BSD and OpenSolaris.
[23:40] <Guy1524_> k
[23:40] <reisio> chewyTree: 'd' again? esc?
[23:40] <ule> hi there.. Anyone managed to install ubuntu on i7 - 6Generation?
[23:40] <ule> http://s31.postimg.org/ulcrdkldn/IMG_20160421_190708.jpg
[23:40] <dbarros> anyone here knows what happened to persistence settings in new Startup Disk Creator?
[23:40] <DirtyCajun>  no matter whawt i do i cannot remove zfs_member from this HDD... what am i doing wrong? i have used Fdisk to rewrite the whole drive and mkfs to make it ext4 and it STILL says zfs_member
[23:40] <Guy1524_> well since you were helping me you must have had even just a little bit of interest in the problem, whatever, Ill reboot now
[23:40] <reisio> DirtyCajun: what says?
[23:40] <chewyTree> reisio everything ive done it just shows (END)
[23:40] <DirtyCajun> lsblk -f
[23:40] <reisio> Guy1524_: you can't CTRL+ALT+F2?
[23:41] <reisio> chewyTree: ah, press 'q'
[23:41] <Guy1524_> nope
[23:41] <DirtyCajun> as well as when using mount it detects multiple file systems which is what made me realize this in the first place reisio
[23:41] <Guy1524_> couldn't switch ppas
[23:41] <reisio> chewyTree: you're in a pager
[23:41] <reisio> probably 'less'
[23:41] <Guy1524_> *ttps
[23:41] <reisio> 'q' for quit
[23:41] <reisio> Guy1524_: bummer
[23:41] <user_> reisio , I know, but Is it fully compatible with Linux ? in Basically ZFS for BSD and OpenSolaris.
[23:41] <chewyTree> reisio damn, ive never been in that..
[23:41] <reisio> user_: yes, and has been roughly from its outset
[23:41] <snascar> How can i set battery charge to 80% an then disconnect?
[23:42] <reisio> user_: the only issue has ever been whether it was legal to distribute it with the kernel
[23:42] <reisio> that and, whether, because of that issue, it is worth using at all :p
[23:42] <reisio> but that's a separate issue from stability
[23:42] <reisio> snascar: for most hardware you can't
[23:42] <reisio> snascar: what is the make/model computer you have?
[23:42] <snascar> sony vaio vpc111
[23:43] <reisio> sony hardware has no facilities for that, AFAIK
[23:43] <reisio> your best would probably be to get a timer disconnect for the outlet you plug your charging cable into
[23:43] <reisio> you can get these in all sorts of places
[23:43] <user_> ok , thank you
[23:43] <chewyTree> reisio and to everyone here
[23:43] <snascar> thanks
[23:43] <chewyTree> thanks alot
[23:43] <reisio> snascar: so you set the timer to roughly how long it takes to charge to 80%, and it disconnects the power from the outlet end instead
[23:43] <reisio> snascar: in the future more laptops will no doubt support the functionality you want from the laptop end
[23:43] <reisio> lenovo thinkpads do right now
[23:44] <reisio> but nothing else, AFAIK
[23:44] <Guy1524_> if this helps it now says it enters low graphics mode then when I press OK it goes back to that frozen screen
[23:44] <Guy1524_> im going to try reinstalling the driver
[23:44] <reisio> Guy1524_: you want to start GNOME?
[23:44] <snascar> what's the best hardware (laptop/notebook) for ubuntu? full support on all drivers
[23:44] <Guy1524_> yes
[23:44] <Guest96551> can someone help me install skype? 14.04
[23:45] <reisio> snascar: there are supported hardware devices listed on ubuntu.com
[23:45] <reisio> snascar: I'd say the vast majority of all computers are supported by GNU/Linux, however
[23:45] <[Saint]> ~
[23:45] <reisio> Guest96551: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[23:45] <ratrace> reisio: he quit too soon, I was going to direct him to the ZoL list of issues which is a bit scary atm. On FreeBSD, ZFS rocks like nothing else. On Linux I've had issues. I wouldn't call it "stable", definitely not at the FreeBSD's ZFS level of stable.
[23:45] <reisio> Guy1524_: what does this command say?: which gnome-session
[23:46] <reisio> ratrace: yeah, what issues?
[23:46] <ratrace> reisio: also it's a resource hog and a bit different conceptually which may be a "culture shock" for someone not used to it
[23:46] <Guest96551> I've looked at that, nothing works
[23:46] <reisio> freebsd users would rarely even assent that gnu/linux is stable
[23:46] <ratrace> reisio: snapshot dirs inaccessible for instance
[23:46] <reisio> ratrace: you can say that about anything new
[23:46] <ratrace> there are a few open issues on that one
[23:46] <reisio> snapshots are not required
[23:46] <reisio> Guest96551: use http://talky.io/ instead
[23:47] <Guy1524_> one sec
[23:47] <ratrace> reisio: people tend to use ZoL for three reasons: snapshots, vdevs and checksumming :)
[23:48] <nownot> when I try to run fsck on a volume it says its in use ... any ides on what could be causing this?
[23:48] <reisio> IME they use it for one: it starts with 'z' and has a lot of hype
[23:48] <flask-> Question on compiling a custom kernel:  I followed the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel but the resulting debs' names suggest that instlaling them would overwrite the default kernel (4.4.0-21-generic #37) because the versioning in the names is the same. I want a separate entry in the grub boot menu in case I have issues and want to switch back. What am I missing?
[23:48] <reisio> nownot: ...it being in use
[23:48] <reisio> nownot: umount it
[23:48] <[Saint]> nownot: just a guess, but, it's probably in use.
[23:48] <nownot> yeah ... i unmounted it
[23:49] <reisio> flask-: you can backup whatever you like in /boot/
[23:49] <nownot> anyway to see what process is still using that drive or causing it to say why its marked as still in use?
[23:49] <reisio> a kernel, an initrd, they are just files
[23:49] <Guest96551> Thanks, talky looks pretty damned cool
[23:49] <Guy1524_> what is the distribution provided pre install script
[23:49] <flask-> reisio: yeah but how would I access the backups if my custom kernel won't boot?
[23:49] <[Saint]> live session.
[23:50] <flask-> reisio: oh I'd just tell grub on the CLI to use the backups, duh
[23:50] <reisio> flask-: if you leave uniquely named copies in /boot/, you can access them from grub's menu
[23:50] <flask-> reisio: one more question -- is there an easy well to tell whether any of my modules (eg. my wifi driver) are part of l-r-m ? I'm not sure whether I need to bother rebuilding l-r-m.
[23:51] <reisio> flask-: lrm?
[23:51] <flask-> reisio: linux-restricted-modules
[23:51] <reisio> why not wait and see if you have a problem
[23:51] <flask-> becuase I'm neurotic?
[23:52] <flask-> ;)
[23:52] <reisio> why not not be neurotic? :)
[23:52] <reisio> I'm neurotic, too, but if I had myself to converse with (and I do), I would be asked this question of myself
[23:52] <reisio> conversations are great for working things out, even if you're having them with yourself
[23:52] <flask-> you know how it is, i'm paid to be a cautious software engineer all day, it's hard to cut loose at night even if it's my own box.
[23:52] <reisio> science has proven that kids who talk to themselves figure things out faster
[23:53] <Guy1524_> figured it out
[23:53] <Guy1524_> thx for help guys
[23:53] <reisio> (and that adults discourage this because they think it makes them seem crazy :p)
[23:53] <flask-> Guy1524_ must have been talking to himself
[23:53] <reisio> adults do everything wrong
[23:53] <reisio> Guy1524_ has definitely been talking to himself
[23:53] <reisio> Guy1524_: but gj anyway
[23:53] <flask-> my kid never stops talking and I can't tell how much of it is to himself or not
[23:53] <flask-> just talking
[23:53] <flask-> and talking
[23:53] <flask-> it never stops
[23:53] <reisio> flask-: contraceptive ftw
[23:53]  * reisio kids (mostly) :p
[23:54] <flask-> too late, #2 on the way
[23:54] <reisio> heheh
[23:54] <flask-> alright gonna go install these suckers
[23:54] <reisio> well you can pit the two against one another for silence
[23:54] <Guy1524_> actually nevermind, it looked like it was working, but now it is frozen and flashing, Ill come back later if I dont find a solution
[23:55] <reisio> Guy1524_: if you come back later if you don't find a solution, try answering people's questions
[23:55] <reisio> it'll get you farther
[23:56] <Guy1524_> ok
[23:56] <Guy1524_> ?
[23:57] <Sparklyballs> having issues with netboot image of xenial.
[23:58] <Sparklyballs> set up as VM , soon as the install has finished no output at all from VNC
[23:58] <feneco> hi, after i upgraded from 14.04 lts to 16.04 lts, when I open "Files" it does not keep the icon on unity launcher
[23:58] <feneco> any ideas?
[23:59] <citizenruin> <---i have a old hd if i take out this hd and plug in the other one will it boot up linux or windows