[08:09] <luna> https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-extra-episode-19/ Interview with an Xubuntu and XFCE developer
[08:59] <devid> how can I best test the expected battery life, by live boot or by VM ?
[09:18] <diogenes_> devid, of course with bare metal live.
[09:19] <devid> diogenes_ all right thank you!
[13:34] <metbsd> laptop fail to wakeup from suspend
[13:35] <diogenes_> metbsd, usual problem
[13:36] <metbsd> any fix?
[13:54] <Maik> fail to wake from suspends is a well known issue on linux for many many years
[13:55] <Maik> metbsd: search for bug reports, there should be lots of them
[14:01] <blue__penquin> metbsd: It's generally an issue with the kernel or one of the drivers etc; fortunately mine works but it pretty much depends on a hardware-to-hardware basis. You might be interested in reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend if you are providing a bug report.
[23:26] <tomreyn> I disagree with "generally an issue with the kernel or one of the drivers". This could be so, but, personally I think that, most of the time, the root cause is the mainboard firmware ("BIOS") not supporting anything but Windows.
[23:41] <chaslinux> Running a bizarre board here, Atermiter X79 Turbo... There's not even a legit web site I can find for BIOS' ;-)
[23:43] <chaslinux> 21.04 had some cursor issues on it, but that was a nightly from awhile back....
[23:46] <tomreyn> chaslinux: are you trying to solve some problem?
[23:49] <chaslinux> Nope, 20.04 works well... I briefly tested an older spin of 21.04 and there were cursor issues, but I was just testing 21.04. Plan on sticking with LTS for awhile.
[23:49] <chaslinux> It's a strange motherboard, so happy to test different things.
[23:51] <tomreyn> it's a chinese brand, targetting the chinese market primarily
[23:56] <chaslinux> Yes, it was a cheap way of going from my sluggish A8-5600K (fake 4 core) to an E5-1650 (6 core). The board cost me around $80CDN and funny enough only took about 25 days from China with most of that being Canada Post (about 18 days).
[23:57] <chaslinux> It was a huge upgrade for encoding media... but I do envy those running 6 core + ryzen...


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[01:53] <ahoneybun> Hello people
[02:35] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[02:40] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[02:40] <valorie> happy halloween
[02:41] <valorie> was thick with kids here for a few mins
[02:41] <valorie> half the candy is left though!
[02:41]  * valorie scatters candy throughout the channel
[02:43] <ahoneybun> valorie, same to you :)
[02:43] <ahoneybun> I went out as V from "V for the Vendetta
[02:44] <valorie> nice
[02:45] <valorie> so you were seen as part of Anon, I guess
[02:45] <valorie> lol
[02:46] <valorie> http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2097113_2097114_2097120,00.html
[02:47] <ahoneybun> yea some people said that
[02:48] <ahoneybun> that was a long meeting yesterday lol
[02:48]  * valorie is still waiting for a file or notes
[02:49] <ahoneybun> yea yofel is handling that I think
[02:50] <valorie> cool
[02:50] <ahoneybun> maybe I can answer a few questions?
[02:51] <ahoneybun> he recorded the whole thing even before the meeting started
[02:51] <valorie> ok
[02:51] <ahoneybun> we were talking a bit before hand
[02:51] <valorie> great!
[02:51] <ahoneybun> what was not clear in the google docs?
[02:51] <ahoneybun> doc
[02:52] <valorie> I just want to hear the discussion, or see more details
[02:52] <valorie> it was frustrating to have to miss it
[02:55] <ahoneybun> ok
[02:56] <ahoneybun> most of it was about the docs
[02:56] <ahoneybun> lol
[02:57] <valorie> so I heard
[02:57] <ahoneybun> most of the people at my job dressed up for halloween
[02:57] <valorie> cool
[02:58] <ahoneybun> yep
[03:02] <ahoneybun> valorie, ovidiu-florin  is going to give us some notes from his site about partitioning for the Disk Setup page
[03:02] <valorie> yes, I replied to him on the mail list
[03:04] <ahoneybun> yea we are hiding the Installation page from the wiki because then it would show up everywhere else
[03:11] <valorie> why?
[03:11] <valorie> why would it show up everywhere else?
[03:13] <valorie> sorry, going afk for a few mins
[03:13] <ahoneybun> well the wiki is synced to the server then the server is copied to the docs package
[03:13] <valorie> ah
[03:13] <valorie> got it
[03:18] <ahoneybun> yep
[03:18] <ahoneybun> it is still there just commented out
[03:23] <ahoneybun> anyway off to bed work tomorrow
[04:04] <ScottK> ahoneybun: There should probably be a separate working entry point page that doesn't cause stuff to get synced to the web site for work in progress pages so they are discoverable by people working on docs.
[04:10] <valorie> good idea, ScottK
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[08:49] <cer> how do I download the source of the development version of a package (let's say digikam 3.5.0) into a kubuntu 13.10 installtion?
[08:49] <valorie> you'll have to build it from source
[08:50] <valorie> digikam's docs on probably techbase will tell you how
[08:50] <valorie> I build amarok from source
[08:50] <valorie> oh, a released version?
[08:50] <valorie> easier-- just get the tarball
[08:51] <valorie> but usually you want the latest, and that's in git
[08:51] <valorie> if you want a lot of that, use project neon
[08:51] <valorie> #project-neon for more
[08:57] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Just a little nitpick: both the server (docs.k.o) and the package draw their content directly from the wiki.
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning to all ;)
[09:00] <Riddell> morning
[09:01] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you?
[09:01] <Riddell> bright and breezy ready for another day of Kubuntu!
[09:01] <Riddell> although actually I'm looking at KDE frameworks today
[09:03] <lordievader> Have fun ;)
[09:19] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[09:19] <ovidiu-florin> thank you to the KC for the support
[09:20] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you?
[09:20] <ovidiu-florin> hey lordievader
[09:20] <ovidiu-florin> I'm great
[09:21] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: :)
[09:21] <ovidiu-florin> you?
[09:21] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: I'm doing good too. For an assignment I'm allowed to program. I quite like that.
[09:22] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: for school, or?
[09:22] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: University. I'm doing an artistic minor program.
[09:23] <lordievader> But first I should reinstall Kubuntu on my laptop. Unity is causing problems...
[10:10] <Riddell> rshort: ping
[10:12] <rshort> Riddell, how can i help?
[10:12] <Riddell> rshort: yo, I want to send some money from the kubuntu donations in the withsupport paypal account
[10:12] <Riddell> rshort: it says paypal wants to phone for a security check
[10:12] <Riddell> number is 0203 137 5342
[10:12] <Riddell> rshort: do you know if someone can answer and confirm?
[10:13] <rshort> I'll chek just about to take a call bear with me
[10:19] <Riddell> hi vinay_
[10:19] <rshort> just pasting him the details
[10:19] <rshort> gonna get him to call tariq
[10:21] <vinay_> Hi Riddel, when do you want to send the donation? Tariq should be in the office soon if you can hold a bit?
[10:22] <Riddell> vinay_: ok should be fine
[10:22] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how's that?
[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I have to book it in max 2 hours
[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> or else it expires
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[11:05] <soee> good morning
[11:12] <yofel> ahoneybun, valorie: my recording (uncut) is on http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/misc/Mumble-2013-10-30-20-41-53-kyofel.dyndns.org-Mixdown.mp3
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[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:22] <lordievader> yofel: Wow, long meeting 2:38 O.o
[11:23] <yofel> I think the core meeting is ~1:40, the rest is the docs folks talking
[11:29] <ovidiu-florin> Munich, here I come :D
[11:31] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Have fun ;)
[11:32] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: excellent news
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[11:58] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: thank you
[12:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Should I forward you the bill and ticket? or just the bill?
[12:07] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: just the bill is fine
[12:08] <ovidiu-florin> ok, you'll get it in a few moments
[12:08] <ovidiu-florin> they'll sign and stamp it first
[12:08] <ovidiu-florin> and then scan it and send it to me, then I'll forward it
[12:09] <Riddell> this all seems very old fashioned
[12:09] <Riddell> you know there's websites who do it without the faff of paper? :)
[12:09] <ovidiu-florin> yeah,,,
[12:09] <ovidiu-florin> they had this to
[12:10] <ovidiu-florin> but they gave it up since not many people used it
[12:10] <ovidiu-florin> don't ask me why
[12:21] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: sent
[15:02] <petersaints> ktp 0.7.0 has been released. any plans of backporting it to saucy?
[15:03] <Riddell> petersaints: anything good in it was want to backport?
[15:03] <mikhas> martin is top of HN right now, neat
[15:04] <Riddell> HN?
[15:04] <mikhas> hacker news: https://news.ycombinator.com/news
[15:04] <mikhas> actually, it's more like "startup news"
[15:10] <Riddell> ah, sad result
[15:14] <mikhas>  I wonder if Google employees ever use G+, the whole UI is a mess, cant properly read longer postings because of the silly screen split, blech
[15:14] <mikhas> at least on my laptop it's annoying
[15:16] <petersaints> Riddell it now has metacontacts. It's useful to group the same person using different networks.
[15:17] <mikhas> martin would have been better off perhaps by just doing the censoring/ignoring in silence. long detailed blog posts just give new ammunition
[15:17] <mikhas> I wonder if someone told him that …
[15:17] <Riddell> mikhas: G+ UI confuses me but it's the fashion these days, facebook's timeline is similar
[15:17] <mikhas> FB chats are especially bad
[15:18] <mikhas> those small windows at the bottom? and even if "fullscreened" it's like 25% of screen space
[15:45] <palasso> ScottK: I just read the message on the mailing list. Isn't Muon being developed by echidnaman and aleixpol having a specific roadmap for 2.1? http://community.kde.org/Muon/2.1 Did something change? I see there is no commit activity (and in the past I submitted a patch for a bug I reported that hasn't been tested yet)
[15:47] <ovidiu-florin> mikhas: that's why I use KDE Telepathy ;)
[15:48] <mikhas> ovidiu-florin, some hotels etc. block that
[15:48] <mikhas> in which case you have to use the websites
[15:51] <ovidiu-florin> mikhas: hotels?
[15:51] <ovidiu-florin> block what? the ports for the facebook and Google Talk ports?
[15:51] <mikhas> yep
[15:51] <ovidiu-florin> protocols*
[15:52] <mikhas> so you cant use desktop apps
[15:52] <ovidiu-florin> why would they block outgoing ports?
[15:53] <mikhas> dunno, do I operate a hotel with crappy internet access?
[15:53] <mikhas> ;-)
[15:53] <mikhas> be what it may, I often cant use jabber etc
[15:53] <mikhas> sometimes not even IRC
[16:01] <yofel> To the ninjas: I committed r278 of kubuntu-automation which changes kubuntu-inital-upload --sru to use bzr branches instead of operation on packages, I would appreciate it if someone could review that to make sure I didn't make a mistake in the logic
[16:01] <yofel> (that or let me do the upload for 4.11.3 saucy so I can test)
[16:01] <yofel> bbl
[17:51] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Could you please add me to the attendants list on https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2013/11/de/Munich ?
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> or can I add myself?
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> I've added myself to the list. I hope that's ok.
[18:21] <Tm_T> hi, I've had several plasma-desktop crashes during a month or so, all of them having /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtScript.so.4 without debug symbols
[18:21] <Tm_T> I'm bit lost how I can install required debug package to get useful backtrace
[18:32] <searchfgold> Are there any Kubuntu-specific Easter Eggs?
[18:43] <shadeslayer> anyone running the script?
[18:45] <yofel> for t or s?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> either?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> well, S first I suppose
[18:45] <yofel> I'll give s a try with my script modifications
[18:45] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:49] <sheytan> Guys!
[18:49] <sheytan> Hey!
[18:49] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:49] <shadeslayer> hey sheytan !
[18:50] <sheytan> Quick question: can i already use nvidia optimus with 13.10?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: how well would upgrades ( from S to T ) work if we upload 4.11.3 for saucy first then work on T ?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> ( not well I presume )
[18:50] <shadeslayer> sheytan: wrong channel
[18:50] <shadeslayer> #ubuntu or #kubuntu
[18:50] <sheytan> come on. You as devs should know that ;)
[18:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: not too well I think, t has a different boost version etc.
[18:51] <shadeslayer> sheytan: maybe, but this is the wrong channel :)
[18:51] <yofel> I'll still upload s first to ninjas, t is pre-alpha, so if people use it, their proplem ;P
[18:51] <shadeslayer> I for one do not know
[18:51] <shadeslayer> hahah :)
[18:52]  * shadeslayer is on t
[18:54] <shadeslayer> anyone want to test ktp 0.7 for saucy?
[18:54] <sheytan> me! :D
[18:54] <sheytan> if you answer my previous question :D
[18:54] <shadeslayer> can I lie? :P
[18:55] <sheytan> sure :D
[18:55] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:55] <shadeslayer> it works
[18:55] <shadeslayer> and it's awesome
[18:55] <shadeslayer> etc etc
[18:55] <sheytan> damn
[18:55] <sheytan> but the kernel already supports it, does it?
[18:56] <sheytan> well, another question. If I install the nvidia driver, it will break X, right?
[18:56]  * sheytan did it in 13.04 and it broke X
[18:57] <shadeslayer> no clue
[18:59]  * sheytan is going to try out the new nvidia drivers
[19:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: do you actually want to bother with trusty? unless you want to shove it in right before 4.12b1
[19:20] <shadeslayer> good point
[19:20] <shadeslayer> lets just upload 4.12 to Trusty
[19:21] <yofel> doing some package comparison with debian might be more useful
[19:21] <yofel> esp. for the 4.11 split stuff
[19:24] <yofel> at least my sru changes seem to do what they're supposed to do. I still need to write a mail to explain what I did though.
[19:27]  * shadeslayer can get on it on Monday, not before
[19:38] <yofel> I'm off the whole day tomorrow, but maybe I'll find some time on sunday
[20:48] <valorie> thanks, yofel
[21:03] <ahoneybun> hey val
[21:03] <ahoneybun> valorie,
[21:04] <valorie> hi
[21:04] <ahoneybun> I saw that the audio is out now
[21:05] <valorie> yes, I've not had a chance to listen yet
[21:33] <valorie> jussi: I got my shirt!
[21:33] <valorie> it's beautiful
[21:33] <valorie> even my windows-hubby says so
[21:33] <valorie> :-)
[22:50] <ahoneybun> howdy
[23:03] <ahoneybun> valorie, I want to get one
[23:08] <valorie> hurry up if you want a polo
[23:08] <valorie> they are almost gone afaik
[23:09] <valorie> next jussi will do tshirts or hoodies, I think
[23:18] <ahoneybun> hoodies!
[23:18] <ahoneybun> well XL are gone