[15:25] <FliesLikeABrick_> yeah I know about the site(s), just wasn't sure of the channel
[15:25] <FliesLikeABrick_> thanks bazhang
[15:25] <bazhang> no worries ;]
[15:25] <numus> ok i disabled the system beep.. but when i restarted x with ctrl-alt-backspace it beeped.. any idea?
[15:27] <FliesLikeABrick_> numus scrolling up really quickly I don't see any other discussion about this, so maybe I'm missing something, but is your sound card correctly configured?
[15:28] <numus> flieslikeabrick yes i had asked how to disable it.. i went to sound and disabled system beep.. but it still beeps when i reset X
[15:29] <FliesLikeABrick_> but does your sound card work normally, e.g. can you hear music/video audio tracks when you play it?
[15:29] <numus> flieslikeabrick_ yes wheni have the sound turned on.. now i have it all the way down and muted
[15:29] <FliesLikeABrick_> ok
[15:29] <levander> bicyclist: Is it only Evolution that multisync supports on the desktop?  I'd rather use mozilla software...
[15:29] <FliesLikeABrick_> does the system beep only occur when you have it all the way down/muted?
[15:29] <numus> flieslikeabrick_ it only occurs when i restart x
[15:30] <bicyclist> Well multisync has the ximian evolution plugin.
[15:30] <FliesLikeABrick_> right, that's not what I'm asking
[15:30] <numus> flieslikeabrick_ no it beeps when the sound is turned on too.. only when x restarts
[15:30] <FliesLikeABrick_> ok
[15:31] <joakim`> just upgraded to hardy, everything seems to be working perfect!
[15:31] <rexy_> hmm my hardy install still holds some packages back, why does it do that?
[15:31] <FliesLikeABrick_> numus  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy/TipsAndTricks#How_to_force_GDM_to_system_beep_when_login_screen_ready
[15:31] <FliesLikeABrick_> do the opposite of what that says, it tells you where to find the setting for that
[15:32] <FliesLikeABrick_> System -> Administration -> Login Window -> Accessibility
[15:32] <FliesLikeABrick_> check the settings in there
[15:32] <numus> flieslikeabrick_ thank you
[15:32] <FliesLikeABrick_> it sounds like your login window might be configured to play a sound that doesn't exist
[15:32] <FliesLikeABrick_> so it system beeps instead
[15:32] <numus> yup that sound was checked flieslikeabrick_
[15:33] <FliesLikeABrick_> because what those instructions are doing to make it system beep is having someone point that setting to a non-existent sound
[15:33] <FliesLikeABrick_> let me open mine up and see what it should actually be set to
[15:33] <numus> lol i just unchecked it
[15:33] <FliesLikeABrick_> ok, or that
[15:33] <J-_> How can I restart cups?
[15:34] <FliesLikeABrick_> sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart
[15:34] <FliesLikeABrick_> er
[15:34] <FliesLikeABrick_> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[15:34] <J-_> thanks
[15:34] <J-_> I tried cups, and cupsd =P
[15:35] <rexy_> hmm the update of hal fails because it cant find /var/run/hal, shouldnt that be hald?
[15:35] <evand> numus: thanks, though most of the credit goes to Ago :)
[15:35] <omar> Guys I've been using the radio screenlet for a while, but I'm wondering why 9
[15:35] <numus> evand i know... it still is an great concept.. runing a ext3 mount ontop of an ntfs drive
[15:35] <omar> Guys I've been using the radio screenlet for a while, but I'm wondering why almost none the radio stations work, except for a couple of them... ?
[15:36] <omar> none *of* the radio stations work
[15:38] <komputes> what are the packages needed for tsclient to connect to XDMCP and ICA?
[15:38] <evand> numus: indeed, I'm very excited for its 8.04 release.  I think it's going to seriously lower the bar to adoption and bring a lot of new users to Ubuntu.
[15:39] <numus> evand i use it because i only have an 80 gig harddrive on my vista laptop.. cant afford to partition it
[15:40] <edgy> hi, when I connect my laptop with nvidia card to an external memory, there used to be a clone option to make both screens work, now in hardy the option is no longer available, any hint?
[15:41] <numus> anyone know why when it tries t omount my windows network.. it requires a password and username although the server has none
[15:42] <yann2> any known bug with hardy and LVM?
[15:43] <Lunar_Lamp> Are there known issues with burning isos at the moment?
[15:45] <Ng> komputes: looks like you win on bash-completion, pitti just promoted it to main
[15:48] <komputes> Ng: party time
[15:48]  * komputes dancing
[15:48] <bazhang> haha
[15:50] <numus> im having a flickering video problem in hardy with my ati-radeon x1400
[15:51] <komputes> Ng: now just to convince the devs that using the old xorg user-interactive functionality is awesome as well VNC with F8 Menu and scaling and it's hardy FTW!!!
[15:51] <Ng> komputes: old xorg user-interactive functionality?
[15:51] <numus> !ati | Numus
[15:51] <Ng> also, vnc scaling?
[15:51] <komputes> Ng: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:51] <bazhang> numus you can /msg ubotu ati for that link
[15:52] <komputes> Ng: in hardy it skips over user interactive configuration
[15:52] <numus> bazhang ya i forgot the command
[15:52] <Ng> komputes: oh yeah that. I don't want that back, but I would love vnc scaling to work somewhere. I've never seen it on any system though
[15:52] <komputes> Ng: Scaling as in you can control a remote 1024x768 on your 800x600
[15:53] <Ng> yeah, but which clients do that?
[15:53] <Ng> I use vncviewer and vinagre and neither offer it afaics
[15:53] <numus> ok.. hardy has the built in fglrx drivers BUT i am getting a horrible video flickering.. any idea what i can do to fix this?
[15:54] <komputes> Ng: concerning X, why don't want that back? the auto-config is buggy
[15:54] <komputes> Ng: ReadVNC does that
[15:54] <JediMaster> Hey guys, can anyone recommend a quick, easy to setup, secure cross-platform VPN? (yes a lot to ask for), just finding openvpn a real headache to setup
[15:54] <Ng> komputes: because I want the autoconfig as fixed as it can be :)
[15:55] <komputes> Ng: I agree, but not at the price of taking away the manual tools
[15:55] <rexy_> hmm is pulseaudio configured by default in hardy or do you have to set it up yourself?
[15:55] <komputes> Ng: check it out 12 replies and over 300 views in just 24 hours - kind of shows theres an issue there. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=735118
[15:57] <JohnPhys> does anyone in here notice their fonts in gnome-terminal and qt (kde3) apps not obeying the subpixel hinting settings set in System -> Preferences -> Appearances -> fonts ?
[15:58] <JohnPhys> any replies (yes or no!) would be appreciated
[15:58] <JohnPhys> on hardy, of course
[15:58] <bazhang> JohnPhys: not so much in main system but in firefox; it is very haphazard at the moment
[15:58] <bazhang> using kde3 hardy ;]
[15:59] <JohnPhys> bazhang:  Odd, everything else *but* gnome-terminal and qt apps seem to be working, but I use gnome hardy
[15:59] <Ng> JohnPhys: pretty sure it's right for me
[15:59] <bazhang> JohnPhys: there was another user; darx who had the similar issue yesterday fyi
[16:00] <komputes> Ng: for the automated way to work and the manual way to be removed you'll have to tell me that xorg will never run into any misconfiguration issues - ever, which just isn't possible, because xorg cannot autodetect all cards and all resolutions. This why i think the use should be able to reconfigure xserver without having to change the xorg.conf file directly.
[16:00] <JohnPhys> Ng:  you can check by opening a gnome terminal, and going to Edit -> Current Profile -> Uncheck "use system fixed width font" -> clicking on the font selector, and comparing the preview font with what you actually see in the terminal.  If you could check that I would appreciate it.
[16:01] <Ng> komputes: well ideally it would fall back into the bulletproof vesa config and the user could fix it from there, but the displayconfig-gtk tool has been removed for being too buggy, afaik :/
[16:01] <komputes> Ng: vesa is not bulletproof
[16:02] <komputes> Ng: there are certain circumstances where user could not fix it from there without manually writing an xorg.conf file
[16:03] <Ng> JohnPhys: it's not a straight comparison because of colour differences, but it does look ok to me
[16:03] <nemo> Ok.   If anyone here has any advice for how I might have broken it, and steps to reset, I'd appreciate it.  Basically, the laptop is using iwl3945 now (including the oh-so-unpleasant bug #176090) and needs to connect to WPA networks
[16:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176090 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "WiFi / WLAN LED not working on notebooks with Intel iwl4965 | iwl3945" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176090
[16:03] <JohnPhys> bazhang:  I found a workaround (that worked for me at least) and posted it in Bug #190848, but it doesn't seem to work for everyone, and other fixes that worked for other people don't work for me.
[16:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[16:03] <JohnPhys> Ng:  Can you try how Monospace 10 looks/compares?
[16:03] <bazhang> JohnPhys: thanks for the info
[16:04] <nemo> Right now, though, I can't seem to connect. using wpa_supplicant directly, wifi-radar or network-admin
[16:04] <Ng> JohnPhys: I'm using the correct DPI for my screen rather than the default 96, so "10" doesn't mean the same here as anywhere else
[16:05] <nemo> And actually, hardcoding networks in wpa_supplicant.conf is far from ideal, I'm wondering if there's something I should do to make entering it in network-admin work...
[16:05] <JohnPhys> Ng:  ah ok.  Can you check to see if you have a ~/.fonts.conf file?
[16:06] <Ng> JohnPhys: I don't, this is a fresh hardy install
[16:06] <rexy_> nemo, well i used that approach for awhile, it's not to bad considering it will just try any option that works and fail otherwise, just doesnt play nicely with networkmanager
[16:06] <Ng> I did have one on gutsy, but I've not tried it out here yet because it all looks fine
[16:07] <nemo> rexy_: soooo what do you use right now for WPA?
[16:07] <JohnPhys> Ng:  Thanks for the info.  Somehow I ended up with one when I installed (not upgraded to) Hardy Alpha 5.  I reintsalled from Hardy beta and now I don't have one.  *so confused*
[16:07] <Ng> JohnPhys: the only way you'd have a ~/.fonts.conf would be if you'd manually created it, I think
[16:08] <nemo> rexy_: I keep getting ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready   :-/
[16:10] <JohnPhys> Ng:  I didn't even know that ~/.fonts.conf existed until a ran a "locate font", so I don't think I created it manually.  I had to guess at how to modify the xml in there.  Also, I don't have one on my gutsy installs.
[16:10] <Ng> hmm
[16:10] <Ng> how odd
[16:11] <rexy_> nemo, i got an atheros based card , havent had any problems
[16:11] <nemo> rexy_: so. you just use network manager in gnome, and it connects to arbitrary WPA networks fine?
[16:11] <techknow> I have made a bit of a cock up in my video driver settings. When I updated to gutsy I told ubuntu to use a different one, and know that I have restarted my computer nothing is displayed
[16:11] <rexy_> i had a acx before which i configured through wpa_supplicant.conf, but it was a paion and impractical
[16:11] <rexy_> nemo, correct
[16:12] <nemo> rexy_: I'm wondering. should I disable wpa_supplicant in some fashion?
[16:12] <techknow> I can't connect over a network due to the fact that its wireless and it isn't connected yet
[16:12] <rexy_> nemo, no, networkmanager uses it i think
[16:12] <techknow> does anyone have any suggestions?
[16:12] <nemo> rexy_:  hm. so. it sets up wpa_supplicant.conf itself?
[16:12] <savvas> :P
[16:12] <rexy_> which is probably why configuring wpa supplicant yourself or through nm is mutually exclusive
[16:13] <nemo> rexy_: 'cause, I tried setting a network, and it wouldn't take in network manager
[16:13] <rexy_> nemo, no, it stores the network information in your home directory
[16:13] <nemo> oh really
[16:13] <nemo> rexy_: when I checked running processes I saw this:
[16:13] <rexy_> nemo, try unsecured/wep first, then wpa , not all drivers support the latter
[16:13] <techknow> anyone?
[16:13] <nemo> root      4261  0.0  0.0   3880   880 ?        S<s  07:57   0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -P /var/run/wpa_supplicant.eth1.pid -i eth1 -D wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -C /var/run/wpa_supplicant
[16:13] <JohnPhys> Ng:  Yeah, I've run in to quite a few "odd" issues while using hardy, it's definitely making me think twice about upgrading if it actually comes out in april.  It makes me wish I knew C code so I could start taking things apart and trying to fix them!
[16:13] <nemo> rexy_: well, unfortunately WPA *has* to work :-/
[16:14] <nemo> rexy_: and heck. it did work until lately
[16:14] <rexy_> nemo, you can configure wpa_supplicant dynamicly as well
[16:14] <Ng> JohnPhys: filing good bugs and talking to the developers about them is just as useful
[16:14] <nemo> rexy_: what puzzles me about the above is that even though I didn't launch that process (I imagine it was network manager) it is using the manual config file
[16:14] <rexy_> which is why the Networkmanager backend part runs as root i suppose
[16:14] <nemo> rexy_: and it does so even when the manual config is, well, wrong.
[16:14] <rexy_> nemo, yeah but by default it's pretty much empty
[16:14] <Ng> JohnPhys: I've helped at least 3 bugs get squashed today without touching a line of code :)
[16:14] <rexy_> and/or does not exist
[16:15] <nemo> rexy_: ok. so. where does the info from the network manager frontend get passed to wpa?
[16:15] <rexy_> default hardy install has no wpa_supplicant.conf
[16:15] <nemo> rexy_: hm. so if I removed wpa_supplicant.conf it might help with the gui config...
[16:15] <rexy_> nm-applet -> networkmanager -> wpa_supplicant
[16:15] <nemo> mebbe?
[16:15] <rexy_> nemo yeah, or your network config
[16:16] <rexy_> nemo, if you have configurations in /etc/network/interfaces networkmanager will skip those
[16:16] <JohnPhys> Ng:  lol well you're far luckier than I, most of the bugs I find I can't get other ppl to confirm, or I can't see any progess the devs might be making (not that they need to say "working on it", it's just frustrating being out of the loop and seeing the bug report go untouched for a few days)
[16:17] <techknow> is anyone able to help me?
[16:17] <nemo> rexy_: ok. I'm just trying to figure out if my problems are A) due to manual config I did long ago or B) due to the new iwl3945 driver and WPA
[16:17] <rexy_> nemo, yeah
[16:18] <nemo> rexy_: I'd like to clobber (A) so it sounds like you're saying I should hide that file for now, and also check out this /etc/network/interfaces
[16:18] <rexy_> hmm, not good, starting firefox crashed my X :|
[16:18] <nemo> ouchy
[16:18] <rexy_> nemo,  yeah
[16:18] <Ng> JohnPhys: sure, which is why I draw attention to talking to the developers about bugs. the volume of new bugs is pretty huge and at this point in the cycle they are getting focussed on the things they have time to fix, so if something is important or easy, it's worth mentioning I think
[16:18] <rexy_> afaik networks should just contain configuration for the loopback
[16:18] <Ng> JohnPhys: too many people file a bug saying "Foo doesn't work" and think that is enough :/
[16:19] <JohnPhys> Ng:  How do you contact the devs without being rude and "shortcutting" the entire process?  I would *love* to talk directly with some inkscape devs, but if everyone did that, they'd be pretty pissed at the volume of crappy complaints
[16:19] <Ng> JohnPhys: find out where they hang out, probably a #inkscape or a mailing list, and go and be nice to them :)
[16:20] <Ng> JohnPhys: you could talk to QA Team people instead and see if you can persuade them to escalate the bugs to developers
[16:20] <JohnPhys> Ng:  hehe ok thanks.  If you'd like to help confirm a bug, install inkscape, go Effects->Render->Gears, and then try using the 3d/perspective box.  That crashes my stuff hard (on updated hardy)
[16:21] <techknow> can someone help me, I am trying to join a WPA network from the command line
[16:21] <nemo> techknow: funny. same prob I'm having :-/
[16:21] <techknow> I have joined it before when the x server was working, but I am trying to fix it atm and I can't get net access
[16:21] <nemo> techknow: you can create a wpa_supplicant.conf like I'm doing, I guess :-/
[16:22] <nemo> or actually like I'm *removing*
[16:22] <techknow> surely there must be an easier way
[16:22] <rexy_> well you can punch it in manually in wpa_cli
[16:23] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 here is a complete howto for cli networking techknow
[16:23] <Ng> JohnPhys: yep, that crashed inkscape here
[16:23] <rexy_> doing the config is not really hard though, search the forums, there are quite extensive threads about it
[16:23] <techknow> thanks
[16:25] <Ng> JohnPhys: fwiw, the crash handler has filed it as bug #207191, which will become visible once it's been retraced
[16:25] <ubotu> Bug 207191 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/207191 is private
[16:25] <JohnPhys> Ng:  Thanks!  If you can manage to get apport to generate a report, or complete a backtrace (I couldn't, though not for lack of trying), I'd appreciate the info being added to Bug #205667
[16:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205667 in inkscape "Inkscape crashes when using 3d box after attempting to render latex, gears, tree, barcode, maybe others." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205667
[16:25] <JohnPhys> htanks!
[16:25] <numus> 26 12:17:28.125 [   0] [ 6275] tap: connect() failed 2 (No such file or directory)
[16:25] <numus> err
[16:26] <numus> anyone have the guide to install ati catalyst
[16:26] <Ng> JohnPhys: when it's retraced I'll mark it as duplicate of yours
[16:26] <Ng> JohnPhys: fwiw, when it crashed I was left with a broken mouse pointer. i dropped to a console, logged in, killed inkscape and then went back to X. all normal again and apport fired up
[16:26] <nemo> sooo anyone else in here by any chance using an IBM wireless card?
[16:26] <Ng> X sucks at getting blocked with broken cursors
[16:26] <nemo> ideally iwl3945 ?
[16:26] <Ng> nemo: yes, but 4965
[16:27] <nemo> Ng: well. might be similar
[16:27] <nemo> Ng: WPA works for you in hardy?
[16:27] <bazhang> nemo the very same
[16:27] <nemo> bazhang: sweet!
[16:27] <nemo> bazhang: WPA works?
[16:27] <JohnPhys> Ng:  thanks.  I couldn't get apport to pick it up, which was odd.    I wonder if that's because I installed the debugging symbols?
[16:27] <Ng> not sure
[16:27] <bazhang> nemo: yes, though wpa2 is recognized as wpa currently; still works though ;]
[16:27] <Ng> nemo: yep
[16:27] <nemo> hm
[16:27] <nemo> must be something I did then
[16:28] <savvas> you broke it :P
[16:28] <nemo> I really will have to wipe out any possible changes I made
[16:28] <nemo> wah
[16:29] <bazhang> on the bright side when configured correctly it is rock solid
[16:29] <nemo> bazhang: bleah :-/
[16:29] <nemo> bazhang: I'm pretty sure this is just WPA, not WPA2 - at least the web gui on their router doesn't mention WPA2.
[16:29] <bazhang> so you have that to look forward to nemo, sorry its not working now
[16:30] <nemo> Anyway, at least this gives me hope
[16:30] <nemo> heh
[16:30] <nemo> bazhang: oh. one more thing - you configure in the network manager?
[16:30] <bazhang> didnt mean to sound gloaty
[16:30] <bazhang> nemo yes in the nm-applet
[16:30] <nemo> aight
[16:31] <mi> can some1 know reason when i reboot hardy i wait 30 s....warnning in /etc/rc.local ?
[16:32] <nemo> what are you doing in rc.local? :)
[16:32] <mi> nothing
[16:33] <mi> i just upgrade from GG
[16:33] <nemo> mine waits for 2m in rc.local since that's how long my sleep is :-p
[16:33] <nemo> er. 1m
[16:33] <nemo> sleep 1m;echo "search foo.bar baz.bleah" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[16:33] <nemo> stupid !@#$ network that only does windows domain...
[16:34] <techknow_> is there anyway to simply set the video driver from the root terminal?
[16:34] <nemo> I can't figure out how to tell an ubuntu machine to add certain networks in dhcpcd - gentoo, there I can figure it out :)
[16:34] <savvas> nemo: have you tried with the windows drivers and ndisgtk ?
[16:35] <nemo> savvas: erm. this isn't about wireless or anything.  just a stupid network. so I imagine probably some samba thing would solve too. but hardcoding the search domains is just as easy
[16:35] <nemo> savvas: plus, that way I get to specify my own :)
[16:36] <ola1> hey guys, im having a problem with gnome suddenly disappearing, and the only thing left is the console saying a few lines, like "battery level check [OK]"
[16:36] <savvas> oh ok
[16:36] <nemo> ola1: X crashed?
[16:36] <ola1> presumably
[16:36] <nemo> ola1: check your X log and xsession error log?
[16:36] <ola1> music player continues
[16:36] <savvas> I'm really not a samba person :P I never connected windows with this machine
[16:36] <nemo> ola1: oh really. but there is nothing on alt-f7 or alt-f8 or whatever?
[16:37] <nemo> savvas: me either if I can help it. but is necessary on this network :-/
[16:37] <ola1> nope
[16:37] <nemo> ola1: ps auwx | grep X   ? :)
[16:37] <ola1> and its completely random, or feels that way
[16:37] <nemo> ola1: nothing in the log files?
[16:37] <ola1> how do i access those ?
[16:38] <nemo>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:38] <Lunar_Lamp> The
[16:38] <nemo>  ~/.xsession-errors
[16:38] <techknow__> can someone explain to me how I can set the video driver from the root terminal?
[16:38] <nemesis> hi
[16:38] <techknow__> I changed it and restarted the box and now x won't start
[16:38] <nemo> techknow__: kernel or X?
[16:38] <nemo> ah
[16:38] <techknow__> X
[16:38] <nemo> X
[16:38] <nemesis> i had a question?? on the new hardy
[16:39] <nemo> techknow__: edit your Xorg.conf
[16:39] <tehknow> nemo: ok
[16:39] <nemo> oops
[16:39] <nemo> stupid tab complete
[16:39] <Jaymac> !ask | nemesis
[16:39] <ubotu> nemesis: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[16:39] <nemesis> if i download the beta version and install it .. should I download and install the final release once again??? or I just can download the updates and have the final release???
[16:40] <bazhang> nemesis: just keep updating ;]
[16:40] <Jaymac> nemesis: if you download and install the beta, as long as you do all of the updates required, you will end up with the final product, on release day.
[16:40] <nemesis> oh .. tnx
[16:40] <nemesis> bye
[16:40] <nemo> techknow_: anyway, might just want to try generic vesa
[16:40] <nemo> techknow_: and the dpkg-reconfigure of course
[16:41] <ola1> It seems I dont have permission too access the logs
[16:41] <bicyclist> Can anyone tell me where i best can place a small script that resets my bluetooth device (it should be run on startup and with root permissions)
[16:41] <nemo> techknow_: ... even though that is mostly all autodetect these days.
[16:41] <ola1> sorry im pretty new too linux
[16:41] <RyanPrior> When I middle-click something in Firefox 3, it sometimes seems to double-click twice, opening two tabs with the same contents or closing two tabs instead of one. How can I fix that?
[16:41] <tehknow> nemo: I changed it to an old one I had on feisty, it no workey
[16:42] <nemo> ola1: the Xorg logs are usually world readable.
[16:42] <RyanPrior> bicyclist: You'll want to add it as a sysv init script. There are a bunch of examples on your computer already, and probably a google search will turn up some documentation.
[16:42] <nemo> ola1: can always switch to root and look at 'em I guess
[16:43] <nemo> tehknow: well. that's not terribly surprising. hey are you nvidia or ati?
[16:43] <RyanPrior> ola1: Do you know what the root ("superuser") account is?
[16:43] <tehknow> nvidia
[16:43] <tehknow> I had added a second screen since
[16:43] <nemo> tehknow: hm. lemme check my nvidia settings at home
[16:43] <tehknow> I don't think the old config had that
[16:43] <nemo> I don't have a second screen, but...
[16:43] <tehknow> would that make a difference?
[16:43] <nemo> dunno :)
[16:43] <nemo> depends on what you changed :-p
[16:43] <tehknow> like I said the one that gutsy was using before I changed it worked.
[16:44] <tehknow> I changed the driver in use
[16:44] <tehknow> is there a way to change it back from the CLI?
[16:44] <nemo> tehknow: would you like my xorg.conf?
[16:44] <nemo> for reference?
[16:44] <nemo> I'm not sure what generated it - probably the nvidia cli tool
[16:44] <tehknow> ok
[16:44] <tehknow> hold it for a sec
[16:44] <nemo> nvidia-xconfig I think it is called...
[16:44] <tehknow> I'll see if I can change it back first
[16:45] <ola1> yes
[16:45] <ola1> in theory I know what the root account is
[16:45] <nemo> tehknow: yep. says at the top. generated by nvidia-xconfig
[16:45] <nemo> tehknow:
[16:45] <nemo>
[16:45] <tehknow> I saw that
[16:45] <tehknow> I tried running that just there
[16:46] <tehknow> no luck
[16:46] <ola1> I do now however know how to access it from the command line
[16:46] <nemo> tehknow: http://m8y.org/xorg.conf
[16:46] <seanet> I have just installed 8.04 and my networking seems to not work.  I have put in a statuc ip address and when I try to ping any external addresses i get "Network is unreachable"
[16:46] <RyanPrior> !sudo | ola1
[16:46] <ubotu> ola1: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[16:46] <nemo> tehknow: which nvidia driver are you using?
[16:46] <seanet> when i do ifdown tho0 i get the message interfaceeth0 not configured, and am able to ping localhost
[16:46] <ola1> Thank you
[16:46] <RyanPrior> You're welcome.
[16:46] <tehknow> I can't remember
[16:46] <ola1> ill look at some basic traning first
[16:46] <tehknow> I used envy to install on feisty
[16:46] <tehknow> and it worked perfectly
[16:46] <bazhang> !training | ola1
[16:46] <ubotu> ola1: A desktop course manual for Ubuntu 7.10 can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[16:47] <co0lingFir3> adblock plus is not able to add a new filter via right-click. has someone else this problem?
[16:47] <tehknow> nemo: are you using a wacom tablet?
[16:48] <nemo> tehknow: dpkg -l nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new
[16:48] <nemo> tehknow: nope. that's just some default config if that's in there :)
[16:48] <tehknow> ok
[16:48] <nemo> I can't afford one yet :-/
[16:48] <seanet> Any other information I can give to get some help on my networking problem?
[16:48] <tehknow> they look nice
[16:49] <nemo> tehknow: anyway. what is the output for those two on your system?
[16:49] <nemo> I appear to be using nvidia-glx-new 169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31
[16:50] <tehknow> I have 169.12+2.6.24. and I can't see the rest
[16:50] <nemo> hum
[16:50] <tehknow> surely there must be a way to restore the default
[16:50] <savvas> co0lingFir3: where do you right click / what do you do?
[16:51] <nemo> tehknow: does it work with vesa ?
[16:51] <tehknow> vesa?
[16:51] <nemo> tehknow: and... anything in your Xorg log? like, any nvidia error messages?
[16:51] <nemo> tehknow: vesa - the boring ol' standard VGA driver with no acceleration and probably low res :)
[16:51] <tehknow> ah ok
[16:52] <co0lingFir3> savvas: i right click on an image in order to block it...
[16:52] <seanet> I have just installed ubuntu and cannot get networking to work with static configuration.  Where can I start to give you all information to help me troubleshoot?]
[16:52] <tehknow> doesn't seem to be anything apparent in the logs
[16:53] <tehknow> I have a geforce 6200
[16:53] <savvas> co0lingFir3: true, it doesn't automatically fill up the "add filter" part :)
[16:53] <MrBojangles> Im currently running Hardy, I'd like to use KVM
[16:53] <MrBojangles> How do I go about getting started?
[16:53] <seanet> I do an ifconfig and I have an inet6 addr but no inet addr for eth0
[16:54] <numus> i am getting an error trying to install some drivers of dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: symbol XauFileName used by debian/xorg-driver-fglrx/usr/sbin/atieventsd found in none of the libraries.
[16:54] <savvas> MrBojangles: sudo aptitude install kvm
[16:54] <numus> dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 512
[16:54] <co0lingFir3> savvas: so is that a adblock plus bug?
[16:54] <savvas> co0lingFir3: no idea, report it if you can
[16:55] <seanet> grepping the dmesg for eth shows me it used the reverse engineered nforce driver and the ifname is eth0
[16:55] <co0lingFir3> savvas: on which os and ff version does the prob appear?
[16:56] <nemo> *sigh* running dbus stuff remotely is annoying :-/
[16:56] <MrBojangles> savvas: I did that. But it's talking about hardware acceration
[16:56] <nemo> nm-applet in this case
[16:56] <MrBojangles> Is this something I can install or this computer simply won't support it?
[16:56] <nemo> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service.  dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.1240" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file
[16:56] <nemo> bah
[16:57] <tehknow> nemo: I plugged out the second monitor and let xorg reconfigure, its working with one now
[16:57] <nemo> cool
[16:57] <nemo> well. that's improvement :)
[16:58] <tehknow> yeah, now I can do it in a GUI, thank god
[16:58] <seanet> no ideas?  I have given all the outputs of my troubleshooting
[16:58] <nemo> tehknow: ATI - I'll say this for them, has actually released their Catalyst Control Centre for linux...
[16:58] <nemo> tehknow: makes setting up multiple monitors a lot easier
[16:58] <tehknow> :o
[16:58] <tehknow> too late now I suppose ;)
[16:58] <nemo> meh. they have other flaws :)
[17:00] <seanet> When I do route -n I get nothing for the Kernal IP routing table and with ifconfig there is no inet addr....any suggestions?  sigh
[17:00] <hwilde> seanet, ifconfig eth0 [ipaddresshere] netmask [netmaskhere]
[17:00] <MrBojangles> Does anyone have information about CPU Hardware acceleration for Virtulization
[17:01] <hwilde> seanet,  /sbin/route add default gw [gatewayehere] eth0
[17:02] <seanet> thank you hwilde you are a master!  Is this a known bug?  Works now
[17:03] <hwilde> seanet, I dunno I never use the gui.  command line rulez
[17:03] <seanet> I agree used windows all my life now am becoming a convert
[17:03] <wastrel> command line <3
[17:04] <hwilde> some people like the network-manager gui, some people don't
[17:04] <wastrel> i don't like network manager
[17:04] <hwilde> personally I work on systems without monitors so I know the ifconfig commands by heart
[17:04] <tehknow> nemo: back working again, thanks for all the help
[17:04] <wastrel> that ifconfig won't be saved between boot
[17:04] <Skiessi> why i can't move my mouse when I press a key on the keyboard?
[17:04] <wastrel> you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[17:04] <nemo> tehknow: well. tried anyway :)
[17:04] <seanet> ok so how can i save that ifconfig to last between boots...k ill see what i can do
[17:04] <Skiessi> *I
[17:05] <nemo> I think the major linux advantage is package management systems
[17:05] <seanet> because all the info is already there in my network interfaces, showed up there but not with ifconfig
[17:05] <hwilde> seanet, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file
[17:05] <nemo> soooo awesome to have thousands upon thousands of trusty software for my mom to install
[17:05] <nemo> not having to obsess about the provenance of every .exe she wants
[17:05] <Skiessi> should I go find that usb -> ps2 adapter thing?
[17:06] <hwilde> nemo, lol my mom also like synaptic.  she installs all kinds of stuff and it just works
[17:06] <keithclark> I am trying to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 beta, and I get to the Update Manager, New distribution is available, I select that, then a warning message comes up.  I acknowledge this and then nothing happens?  What am I missing?
[17:06] <nemo> hwilde: mom is using this web image download thinger . webilder or something like that. that was first one she installed on her own
[17:06] <nemo> hwilde: (now, I *had* added the server to her source tree, but she didn't know that ;) )
[17:07] <nemo> last I checked she had added a bunch of games too. that surprised me.
[17:07] <seanet> hwilde paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61136
[17:07] <hwilde> nemo, the best part is I can ssh into it and fix stuff.  for the first couple weeks she had no idea it was linux because she just used firefox.  then she asked why it was so fast
[17:07] <hwilde> seanet, add "auto eth0"  right above the iface line and it will come up automatically
[17:08] <hwilde> seanet, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61138/
[17:08] <nemo> hwilde: yeah. I've been doing a lot of that.
[17:08] <nemo> hwilde: BTW, if your mom uses a lot of web apps - I've been checking out the Prism project on mozilla dev network - kinda nifty
[17:08] <nemo> hwilde: she might enjoy it for web apps she uses a lot
[17:09] <nemo> hwilde: they are on 0.9 these days - you can find that in the package dir.
[17:09] <seanet> got it thanks a lot hwilde will restart to see if it holds
[17:09] <hwilde> nemo, she does the google picasa thing for pictures, and hotmail, and instant messgner,  that's about it.  with windows it's a struggle for her to even get online.  linux just works so she doesn't care
[17:11] <Svish> how can I convert 60°09′59″N 10°15′24″E into decimal numbers so I can use them in the clock preferences to add a location?
[17:12] <ks> is there analog to centos /etc/modprobe.conf in hardy ?
[17:12] <nemo> hwilde: I just finished installing nxserver on my mom's machine
[17:12] <nemo> hwilde: was too much of a pain to use nm-applet otherwise :)
[17:13] <hwilde> !info nxserver
[17:15] <nemo> hwilde: basically like remote desktop for linux - X to forward individual apps is fine and all, but so many gnome things require a complete desktop these days :-/
[17:15] <nemo> I would pay for it if they charged. is lightning fast and I love that my session stays up
[17:16] <oskude> hi, is the "hot corners" removed from compiz in ubuntu8.04 ? (i cant find it anywhere)
[17:16] <Skiessi> why can't I move my mouse while pressing a key? is this some stupid accessibility feature?
[17:18] <keithclark>  I am trying to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 beta, and I get to the Update Manager, New distribution is available, I select that, then a warning message comes up.  I acknowledge this and then nothing happens?  What am I missing?
[17:20] <kristian42> I just switched from 32 bit hardy to 64 bit hardy. I cannot get the java plugin to work in firefox 3. Is this a hardy/firefox 3 issue or am I just missing something on 64 bit java plugin ?
[17:21] <Lattyware> Hey all. I'm not getting any sound (Intel HDA audio) inside ubuntu, the mixer gives me an error - but I get the noise when I login.
[17:21] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, You can do that with a fancy touchpad thing...  (starts with s forgot what it was called)..sndamon?)
[17:21] <Lattyware> So the sound is working, just not inside ubuntu
[17:21] <keithclark> Maybe because I was using a proxy server?
[17:22] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Are you on a desktop or laptop?
[17:22] <Skiessi> desktop
[17:22] <Skiessi> I have some microsoft usb keyboard and logitech mx518
[17:22] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Whats the mouse section of your Xorg.conf say?
[17:23] <kristian42> lattyware_: Tried the control panel sound preferences ?
[17:23] <kristian42> lattyware: Change "sound playback device"
[17:23] <Skiessi> I have never really needed to edit the xorg.conf, what's the path?
[17:24] <Lattyware> or rather, not once logged in
[17:24] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[17:24] <Lattyware> kristian42: Control Panel?
[17:24] <kristian42> lattyware: System | preferences | Sound Preferences
[17:24] <Skiessi> Gokee2_Laptop, seems empty
[17:24] <kristian42> lattyware: sorry about the windows reference ;)
[17:25] <Svish> how can I backup all my so far set up settings in ubuntu 8.04 beta? im afraid I am going to mess something up soon. and would be nice to not having to reinstall the system...
[17:25] <Lattyware> heh
[17:25] <Lattyware> oh right, There is nothing that seems appliable. Everything is set to ALSA
[17:26] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Sorry no capi x in xorg /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:26] <Lattyware> kristian42: Any other ideas?
[17:26] <kristian42> lattyware: Under "sound playback" i tried all the different options on HDA. It worked for me
[17:27] <kristian42> lattyware: You have no options ?
[17:27] <Skiessi> Gokee2_Laptop, "Configured Mouse"?
[17:27] <Skiessi> what does it need to say?
[17:28] <Skiessi> >:| "    Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "true"" wtf
[17:28] <Gokee2_Laptop> It should have very few lines...  Why don`t you paste it on pastebin and let me have a look?  :)
[17:29] <Skiessi> I'll paste the whole file
[17:29] <Lattyware> kristian42: There are lots of options (and lots of 'sound playback'
[17:29] <Lattyware> nothing works.
[17:29] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, If you click both your buttions at the same time you get a 3rd.  Same at clicking your mouse weel (if you have one)
[17:30] <kristian42> system | preferences | sound | devices | Sound Events - Use the "test" button for each of the options
[17:30] <Skiessi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61140/
[17:30] <Gokee2_Laptop> Ok
[17:30] <Skiessi> Gokee2_Laptop, but I don't need emulating
[17:31] <kristian42> lattyware: I was running on hda a few months ago and had to do what I described. But I dont have HDA any more....
[17:31] <Lattyware> yeah, it worked for me a few months ago
[17:31] <Svish> is there any known bugs with the Screen and Graphics Preferences?
[17:31] <Lattyware> I'll chuck in a soundblaster card I have lying around
[17:31] <Lattyware> it'll be easier
[17:31] <Svish> why does it say None for Driver for example... =/
[17:32] <Skiessi> mx518 has 8 buttons if you count the wheel button too
[17:32] <Skiessi> aka middle button
[17:33] <numus> anyone use hamachi
[17:34] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Go ahead and take out that line then :)  You can also take out stylus eraser and cursor sections...  But I don`t see anything that would make the mouse stop while typeing
[17:35] <Gokee2_Laptop> Looks like a nice computer
[17:35] <Gokee2_Laptop> three moniters and dual video cards...  :)
[17:36] <Skiessi> :| except I have only one of each at the moment
[17:36] <Gokee2_Laptop> Skiessi, Hmm  why do you have them all in your xorg then?
[17:37] <Skiessi> don't ask me
[17:38] <numus> anyone know how to switch output devices to X11 to help with my video flickering?
[17:38]  * Gokee2_Laptop notices only the Moniter0 is on for the default screen
[17:40] <Gokee2_Laptop> numus, Hmm? You have two outputs on your video card and want to use a 2nd one?  Or?
[17:40] <ScislaC> is there any way to get older debs for libraries from earlier in the hardy dev cycle?
[17:40] <numus> gokee2_laptop i have a single laptop but when i load up such programs as google earth on the flgrx drivers i get a screen refresh flicker
[17:41] <Skiessi> let's see what setting the emulating to false will do
[17:42] <Gokee2_Laptop> numus, Sorry I am not understanding what you want...  You want to know how to switch drivers?
[17:42] <numus> gekoo2_laptop i guess so...
[17:43] <Gokee2_Laptop> numus, What video card do you have/
[17:43] <Gokee2_Laptop> ?*
[17:43] <numus> gekoo2_laptop, ati radeon x1400
[17:43]  * Gokee2_Laptop has never had a radaon
[17:44] <Gokee2_Laptop> Is flgrx from the radeon people?  In other words is it the restricted driver or is it a free alternitive?
[17:45] <ScislaC> Gokee2_Laptop: fglrx is the binary driver from AMD/ATI (restricted driver)
[17:47] <Skiessi> hi
[17:47] <Skiessi> it didn't work
[17:48] <numus> anyone know how to install the ati catalyst 8.2 ?
[17:48] <Tamale> can I upgrade from the beta to 'release' hardy when it comes out?
[17:48] <Lynoure> from?
[17:49] <Lynoure> oh.
[17:49] <Lynoure> yes, of course
[17:49] <Tamale> sweet
[17:49] <Tamale> thanks
[17:49] <Tamale> will there be a lot to change?
[17:49] <Gokee2_Laptop> My laptopsxserver froze :/
[17:49] <Lynoure> Who knows yet... Lots of change within the beta so far, some more changes to rc
[17:49] <Lamego> if you keep doing the updates, you will get into the release
[17:50] <Svish> is it possible to rerun the automatic hardware configuration that ubuntu does under the system installation? like choosing correct graphic card driver and resolution, etc...
[17:50] <ryancr> I am trying to install the beta, but the partitioner can't find any of my drives, I tried GParted and it says No devices detected
[17:50] <ryancr> I have Gutsy on this drive, so I know it is there, any ideas?
[17:58] <NET||abuse> Hey guys.. using vlc on hardy and i'm getting no sound from the video...
[17:58]  * Gokee2 `s laptop ran out of power
[17:59] <NET||abuse> is this new fandangled pulse audio thingamebob gonna cause me headaches
[17:59] <NET||abuse> ?
[17:59] <nemo> NET||abuse: does it work if you switch to alsa instead of auto? if so, yeah, probably :-p
[17:59] <NET||abuse> how do i switch?
[17:59] <NET||abuse> in vlc?
[18:00] <Stormx2> Firefox is *still* locking my sound card
[18:00] <Stormx2> any ideas how to fix?
[18:00] <selinuxium> Any bluetooth gurus in the house?  Got a Belkin PCMCIA converter and a Belkin F8T020 bluetooth card that reports but does not work... Hardy, It didn't work in previous dists...
[18:01] <NET||abuse> switched vlc audio output module to forced alsaa,, nothing yet
[18:01] <fargiolas> does anybody know how to disable firefox 3 gtk forms?
[18:01] <fargiolas> it's totally broken with dark themes
[18:02] <fargiolas> and it also affects epiphany.. even if i try to change form colors with custom user style sheet
[18:02] <NET||abuse> hmm, not working,,,,
[18:03] <NET||abuse> ok,, anyone else have sound with VLC here?
[18:04] <Skiessi> NET||abuse, have sound?
[18:04] <tmh__>  NET||abuse what soundcard do you have?
[18:04] <tmh__> do you get sound with totem or rhythmbox
[18:04] <NET||abuse> think it's a intel thingamabober
[18:04] <Skiessi> vlc works great
[18:04] <NET||abuse> i have sound with system sounds, pidgin,
[18:05] <NET||abuse> i've tried 5 different video's in vlc, no sound yet
[18:05] <tmh__> well the intel thing is broken for most users now
[18:05] <tmh__> some get no sound whatsoever, some some sound, etc
[18:06] <fargiolas> no way to disable gtk native widget rendering in firefox 3?
[18:06] <NET||abuse> i can't play much,, infact i've gotten nothing to play in totem due to codecs.. havn't gotten round to adding codecs to my system
[18:06] <NET||abuse> here is the lspci output "Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 0"
[18:06] <NET||abuse> that ends with (rev 03)
[18:06] <ryancr> Ok so that beta live cd will not detect my hard drive, I have tried the installer, gparted, fdisk and nothing
[18:07] <ryancr> its just a standard 160gig sata drive
[18:07] <Stormx2> I need to change gnome's default keyboard layout. How can I do this?
[18:08] <h3sp4wn> Is iced tea java mostly working yet ?
[18:09] <tmh__> NET||abuse: yep, that among others
[18:09] <tmh__> you're screwed, just like I am
[18:09] <tmh__> hey - I can't get no sound whatsoever, even booting to older systems
[18:09] <Skiessi> NET||abuse, while you're playing the video, press ctrl-i and check the codecs
[18:09] <NET||abuse> fookk,, well just updating the gstreamer codecs so maybe "Movie Player" will do stuff
[18:10] <Skiessi> are you there? :|
[18:10] <NET||abuse> yeup,, sorry phone call just happened
[18:12] <Skiessi> what codecs it uses?
[18:13] <h3sp4wn> Dunno why people don't just use mplayer and have done with it
[18:13] <h3sp4wn> I don't even bother with the 32 bit codecs and it just plays everything fine
[18:14] <Skiessi> NET||abuse, still on phone?
[18:15] <NET||abuse> sorry, yeh
[18:15] <NET||abuse> just friend asking about my holiday to venice... be a second
[18:16] <NET||abuse> finished..
[18:16] <NET||abuse> ok, vlc, ctrl+i
[18:16] <NET||abuse> ok, what bit do i look at?
[18:16] <NET||abuse> codec:mpga
[18:17] <NET||abuse> stream0:Codec:XVId, stream1:codec:mpga
[18:18] <NET||abuse> ooh, have audio with totem
[18:19] <napalmfred> so i have a HP DV9000 and i have been having troubles with the installer locking up my computer. i finally got to go by disabling acpi but now i have been waiting for the installer to finish for 10 min on 100% copying installation logs...
[18:24] <napalmfred> so i have a HP DV9000 and i have been having troubles with the installer locking up my computer. i finally got to go by disabling acpi but now i have been waiting for the installer to finish for 10 min on 100% copying installation logs...
[18:29] <seanet> Is anyone familiar with how to get Apple Cinema Displays to work with ubuntu?  I am using a DVI to ADC adapter and basically what happens, when I have the restricted drivers enabled the screen sleeps right before the login screen
[18:29] <seanet> The screen comes back to life on the logout screen.  I think this is because ubuntu cannot read the EDID properly, have tried configuring modelines and havent got it working yet
[18:31] <seanet> I have tried envy among other things as well.
[18:34] <hwilde> nemo, you don't like vino?   vnc is pretty fast
[18:35] <SilverDawn> Hey, Is there a way to disable evolutions server, When i booted and for about 10 minuits it was using 100% cpu till i did a kill -9 on it
[18:36] <nemo> hwilde: vnc only does the desktop.
[18:36] <nemo> hwilde: which means I need to share the session with my mom
[18:36] <nemo> hwilde: it also doesn't have native controls, so can have paint issues and is a bit slower
[18:36] <nemo> hwilde: nxclient/nxserver is a lot smoother, and gives me my own session I don't have to share
[18:38] <SilverDawn> anyone?
[18:38] <nemo> SilverDawn: you're not wondering why it went wild?
[18:38] <mcquaid> i did a fresh install of hardy beta on a box that had dapper.  as dapper it was pretty solid.  but since installing hardy.  i've had a lockup or two each day
[18:38] <mcquaid> can't ping or ssh into it
[18:38] <nemo> SilverDawn: anyway, evolution-data-server shouldn't start at boot
[18:38] <SilverDawn> nemo, i dont use evolution so i dont really care, If i knew why it would be nice but its not my biggest concern
[18:38] <nemo> SilverDawn: is a user-owned process
[18:38] <mcquaid> i'm not seeing much in the logs,
[18:39] <SilverDawn> Hrm
[18:39] <nemo> SilverDawn: starts when you log in as a user
[18:39] <SilverDawn> So why'd it start and use all my resources =\
[18:39] <nemo> SilverDawn: there are various evolution bugs - you could look around :)
[18:39] <nemo> I had some in past with it
[18:39] <SilverDawn> is there a way to just stop it from starting?
[18:39] <nemo> irc://irc.gimp.net/evolution might know more
[18:40] <SilverDawn> Cuz i really dont use evolution
[18:40] <nemo> SilverDawn: uncheck Evolution Alarm Notifier in your user startup programs?
[18:41] <SilverDawn> Thanks
[18:41] <SilverDawn> ohh by the way, does anyone have a screenshot of their system? Its been ages since ive used gnome and im trying to prittify it
[18:41] <SilverDawn> :P
[18:42] <nemo> I bet there are tons of those on gnome-look.org
[18:42] <SilverDawn> Yeah... im just wonderin from ubuntu users :P
[18:42] <SilverDawn> http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2336/screenshotcu8.png <-- thats mine at the moment
[18:43] <ks> what do you recommend to install xen properly on hardy ?
[18:43] <ks> is is just apt-get install ubuntu-xen-server ?
[18:51] <fromport> ks: that should you the (basic) trick
[18:51] <ks> thanks
[18:52] <fromport> btw: #ubuntu-virt of #ubuntu-server is a better place (/me thinks)
[18:56] <oxigen> hi, how can i set rw all permissions for /dev/raw1394?
[18:56] <oxigen> is set forbidden now :(
[18:56] <oxigen> by default
[18:56] <cwillu> oxigen, what group owns it?
[18:56] <bhsx> hey, is gdmsetup hosed? gksudo gdmsetup is just hanging, and it wont start from the System menu either....
[18:57] <oxigen> hmm... moment
[18:58] <numus> any idea when the fglrx drivers will be updated to work with all opengl and directx applications?
[18:58] <bhsx> same thing happens on my laptop... so i think it's officially hosed...
[18:58] <bhsx> anyone else confirm?
[18:58] <oxigen> cwillu: root-disk
[18:58] <oxigen> group is disk
[19:00] <bhsx> oh WOW... looks like it started finally... after sitting idle for like 4 minutes...  that's not good
[19:03] <mcquaid> i'm getting hard lockups on a fresh install of hardy beta, a couple a day.  i'm not seeing much in the logs. any suggestions on what i can check?
[19:05] <nemo> !@#$
[19:05] <cwillu> oxigen, could just add yourself to that group (or whichever users need it), otherwise, the scripts that create and set permissions on /dev/* are in /etc/udev.d/rules
[19:05] <nemo> stupid !@#$ polkit thing makes it impossible for me to use network-admin under nxserver it seems
[19:05] <nemo> ** (network-admin:10634): CRITICAL **: Unable to lookup session information for process '10634'
[19:05] <cwillu> mcquaid, caps, numlock or scrolllock still work?
[19:05] <loa_> people who use. iwl3945
[19:06] <nemo> loa_: oh. you're having issues too? :)
[19:06] <mcquaid> cwillu, nope, can't ping it, ssh nothing
[19:06] <loa_> nemo, describe your problem/
[19:06] <nemo> loa_: getting WPA to work. might be my fault though. busy resetting custom config to see if that helps
[19:06] <nemo> there is also the kill switch led bug
[19:06] <nemo> but that one at least has been fixed
[19:07] <loa_> nemo, my connections speed goes to zero. I use wpa2.
[19:07] <axisys> !visio
[19:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about visio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:07] <axisys> any visio like tool out there?
[19:07] <axisys> i need to draw a network diagram
[19:08] <nemo> loa_: ah. well. there certainly are plenty of iwl3945 bugs out there :-/
[19:08] <nemo> but since I can't even *get* my connection working
[19:08] <nemo> nor debug it.
[19:09] <oxigen> cwillu: thanks, i'll try
[19:09] <loa_> nemo, =(
[19:09] <nemo> this polkit thing is super-buggy
[19:11] <hwilde> axisys, dia
[19:13] <rexy_> still no luck nemo ?
[19:13] <oxigen> cwillu: you mean in: /etc/udev/rules.d?
[19:13] <cwillu> oxigen, give or take a .d :p
[19:14] <nemo> rexy_: well. just as soon as I figure out how to run network-admin maybe
[19:14] <oxigen> hmm, mystical answer.. :)
[19:14] <cwillu> oxigen, you must find the silver monkey before the blue light falls
[19:15] <axisys> hwilde: thnx
[19:15] <oxigen> cwillu: haha!
[19:16] <evan_> my computer has eaten my cd how can i get it out? i did a umount and and remount but it wont give it back
[19:16] <cwillu> evan_, paperclip, tiny hole on the front of it
[19:16] <hwilde> stick a paper clip in the little ejecter hole
[19:17] <evan_> cwillu ok thanx
[19:24] <brucealdridge> I had a problem upgrading to hardy ... some sort of python bug, i reported it to launchpad, but it was marked as a dup (it wasn't as far as i could find) and i don't have access to the "original" bug so i can't see what the problem is, how to fix, etc etc .... is this how launchpad works?
[19:24] <oxigen> cwillu, did you write this: http://pastebin.ca/958477 and what do you mean by: "...but it's not going to be group "video", okay?"  I get errors from Update Manager
[19:32] <emilis_info> is this a known problem?
[19:32] <alteroo> nemo: script it?
[19:32] <KalEl> is the ubuntu artwork out yet?
[19:32] <ryancr> Just tried to install Hardy, when it comes time to partitioning it does not see my harddrive, I even tried GParted and it says 'No Devices Found'. But I know its there, as I am using Gutsy on it right now.  Its a standard 160gig sata
[19:32] <alteroo> ryancr: daily?
[19:32] <ryancr> alteroo: beta
[19:32] <nemo> alteroo: how is that supposed to help me reproduce what she's going to do?
[19:32] <nemo> *sigh*
[19:33] <alteroo> nemo: Ah computers aren't that great at reproducing humans
[19:33] <alteroo> nemo: Yep ignoring kill -9
[19:34] <asorbus> I just upgraded to Hardy and it seems that subpixel smoothing  is not working on my fonts in the terminal.  Also, the fonts  in Firefox are very small and hard to read.  I tried  installing msttcorefonts but that did not help.  Any  suggestions?
[19:34] <alteroo> ryancr: Ah I know the installer had some issues I don't know if they are sorted yet
[19:34] <nemo> alteroo: so it ignored it, and didn't just respawn with new PID?
[19:34] <nemo> that seems odd
[19:34] <alteroo> nemo: Same PID
[19:34] <nemo> alteroo: you did run the kill as root right? :)
[19:34] <cwillu> oxigen, ping
[19:34] <oxigen> pong
[19:35] <alteroo> nemo: sure did :)
[19:35] <emilis_info> duh
[19:35] <nemo> alteroo: erm. that shouldn't happen
[19:35] <cwillu> what was that?
[19:35] <emilis_info> no way to copy out text from UpdateManager... :(
[19:35] <nemo> alteroo: I mean, kill -9 doesn't ask the process...
[19:35] <alteroo> I ran top as root and issued a kill from there with a 15 then with a 9
[19:35] <alteroo> then I exted and did a sudo kill pid
[19:35] <nemo> alteroo: and only uninterruptible sleep should allow an ignore
[19:35] <alteroo> then a sudo kill -9 pid
[19:36] <alteroo> it is still taking up 98% of the CPU and still with the same PID
[19:36] <alteroo> nemo: Tell me about it :)
[19:36] <oxigen> cwillu: that's permissions rules in /rules.d
[19:36] <nemo> alteroo: you're running security enhanced or something?
[19:36] <nemo> SElinux magic?
[19:36] <alteroo> and nothing on my machine works anymore Keyboard NumLock light doesn't work reset button doesn't work
[19:36] <oxigen> cwillu: but now i'm confused if there need to be group video or not :/
[19:36] <alteroo> only if that's been turned on in Hardy
[19:36] <oxigen> cwillu: i mean why is set to disk?
[19:36] <alteroo> I didn't turn it on
[19:37] <cwillu> oxigen, back up a couple sets, what are you doing?
[19:37] <nextstep> is there a fix for the broadcom wireless locking to 1mb in hardy yet ?
[19:37] <cwillu> oxigen, upgrade from gutsy?  they may have changed the group used
[19:37] <alteroo> nemo: I'm assuming that's a kernel flag?
[19:37] <oxigen> cwillu: not its 8.04 alpha 5
[19:37] <cwillu> nextstep, haven't had any problems in hardy
[19:37] <nemo> alteroo: don't know much about it. I've never really messed with it
[19:38] <alteroo> well do you know if it's turned on in Hardy? I recall they had some enhanced security kick
[19:38] <nextstep> cwillu:  the wireless card for the xps m1710 will only go to 1mb for all connections. there is a bug posted about it but I do not understand the fix (basically manually updating the f/w for the card) ... can anyone help with that ?
[19:38] <cwillu> oxigen, looks like a security fix
[19:38] <oxigen> hmm
[19:39] <cwillu> oxigen, read /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions
[19:39] <emilis_info> http://pastebin.com/m4789cca8
[19:39] <cwillu> line 22 or so
[19:39] <oxigen> cwillu: that was from that file
[19:39] <cwillu> nextstep, something about b43-fwcutter?
[19:40] <nextstep> yes
[19:40] <cwillu> oxigen, yep
[19:40] <cwillu> oxigen, I thought it explained what happened fairly clearly :)
[19:40]  * alteroo chuckles
[19:40] <alteroo> I can play music though
[19:41] <cwillu> oxigen, (adding that firewire devices having root access == good ol' days of virii spread via floppy disks and the like)
[19:41] <cwillu> nextstep, do you know what chipset it is?
[19:41] <oxigen> cwillu: good :) so, is it ok if i set it to 'video' group instead of 'disk'?
[19:41] <alteroo> while I'm on it how do I set my resolution in Hardy?
[19:41] <oxigen> cwillu: i'll use it for DV
[19:41] <oxigen> video
[19:41] <alteroo> I can only get like 1560x 886 which is pretty sickening
[19:41] <cwillu> nextstep, ya, just install b43-fwcutter, and then run the driver-manager
[19:42] <cwillu> oxigen, then you're asking for trouble, just don't
[19:42] <alteroo> nemo: did you try sudo networkadmin
[19:42] <oxigen> cwillu: hmm, even if i'm the only user on that computer?
[19:42] <cwillu> oxigen,  add people to the group disk if they need it
[19:42] <cwillu> yes, even then
[19:42] <cwillu> because you're not
[19:43] <cwillu> you're the only desktop-user, not the only user-user
[19:43] <oxigen> cwillu: ah, ok , thanks!
[19:43] <nemo> alteroo: yep
[19:43] <nextstep> cwillu:  yes that is where I am now... that part is done but the bug is that the wlan0 will only go to 1mb
[19:43] <nemo> alteroo: no matter what I do that damn unlock button is greyed out
[19:43] <alteroo> maybe it's already unlocked?
[19:43] <cwillu> nextstep, okay?  so what did they say to do next?
[19:44] <nextstep> cwillu:  the firmware being used is the wrong version and I have the correct one downloaded I think, but no instructions on how to replace one with the other
[19:45] <alteroo> Shift+backspace is the devil
[19:45] <cwillu> nextstep, uncheck the firmware in the driver manager, reboot, recheck it, it should give you a prompt to select where to download from
[19:45] <SilverDawn> Hey all
[19:45] <cwillu> alteroo, only if you type ctrl with them :p
[19:45] <SilverDawn> I have a .bz2 im tyring to extract that refuses to extract
[19:45] <alteroo> cwillu: Old Compiz bug
[19:45] <SilverDawn> I checked it against an md5 and it checks out fine
[19:45] <SilverDawn> What could it be
[19:45] <nextstep> cwillu:   you mean "Hardware Drivers ?
[19:45] <alteroo> cwillu: what's ^+Shift+BkSpc do?
[19:46] <cwillu> don't press it, just google it
[19:46] <alteroo> :-)
[19:46] <alteroo> in anycase I still can't type or move the mouse or do anything except play music
[19:46] <alteroo> No way to kill the Xprocess without pulling the plug?
[19:47] <cwillu> ctrl+alt+backspace (which is actually what I meant)
[19:47] <cwillu> will kill the xserver
[19:47] <alteroo> cwillu: Ah that I know but the keyboard doesn't work
[19:48] <alteroo> and the X process is ignoring all nice ways of asking to stop
[19:48] <cwillu> sigh:  "don't hit this key:  <some keys>";  foo has quit; bar has quit; baz has quit
[19:48] <cwillu> alteroo, ctrl+alt+f1
[19:49] <alteroo> cwillu: Keyboard doesn't work. I think X killed it
[19:49] <cwillu> alteroo, did you try it?
[19:49] <alteroo> Mouse worked for like a minute and then it died as well
[19:49] <cwillu> ssh in, that's about all you could do
[19:49] <alteroo> cwillu: I was banging on that for like 3 mnutes before I came over here to ssh in to see what was going on
[19:50] <alteroo> Xorg is using 98% of the CPU
[19:50] <alteroo> and ignores SIGTERM
[19:50] <J-_> !dvd
[19:50] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[19:50] <SilverDawn> Anyone know?
[19:50] <SilverDawn> Its important that this thing extracts
[19:50] <alteroo> as in it prints a messge that it is ignoring SIGTERM
[19:51] <SilverDawn> I ran bunzip2 -v filename.gz2 & It seems to just hang
[19:51] <SilverDawn> Graphically it does nothing
[19:51] <cwillu> alteroo, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[19:51] <alteroo> cwillu: it's also ignoring SIGKILL it seems
[19:51] <cwillu> SilverDawn, what about just running tar -xv filename.gz2?
[19:51] <SilverDawn> its a bz2 file
[19:52] <SilverDawn> grrr.....
[19:52] <cwillu> SilverDawn, tar has some logic in there to figure that out automatically
[19:52] <alteroo> Bunch of warnings about 3D visuals
[19:53] <SilverDawn> well tar -xv does nothing anyways
[19:53] <SilverDawn> i tried it
[19:53] <SilverDawn> it just wont extact
[19:53] <SilverDawn> I can view the files in the bz2
[19:53] <alteroo> SilverDawn: You need the f
[19:53] <SilverDawn> But i need to burn the iso thats in it
[19:53] <alteroo> f means from file
[19:53] <orvokki> Anyone gotten a working nvidia-glx-new setup?
[19:53] <cwillu> oh, right;  tar -xvf <filename>
[19:53] <SilverDawn> just seems to hang
[19:53] <cwillu> orvokki, I do, but I didn't do anything special to make it work
[19:53] <SilverDawn> Nothing appears on the desktop which is where the bz2 is
[19:54] <cwillu> SilverDawn, how big is it?
[19:54] <alteroo> SilverDawn: bz2 or gz ?
[19:54] <SilverDawn> 235mb
[19:54] <bicyclist> orvokki what do you mean by working. Using nvidia here with no probs.
[19:54] <SilverDawn> bz2
[19:54] <cwillu> SilverDawn, how many files?
[19:54] <alteroo> tar -xjf filename
[19:54] <SilverDawn> 1
[19:54] <cwillu> SilverDawn, how much ram?
[19:54] <orvokki> bicyclist: Hmm, odd. My nvidia 6600 can't start at all with the beta.
[19:54] <bicyclist> Just did a distribution upgrade and everything still works fine
[19:54] <SilverDawn> 1.2gb
[19:54] <alteroo> cwillu: He's missing the j flag
[19:54] <orvokki> That is, with nvidia-glx-new. It can only start with nv open driver.
[19:54] <alteroo> SilverDawn: that command I gave you will work
[19:54] <bicyclist> Mine works just fine. How did you install the nvidia drivers ?
[19:55] <alteroo> mieqEnequeue: out-of-order valuator event; dropping.
[19:55] <alteroo> tossed event which came in late
[19:55] <SilverDawn> alteroo, im trying it and its just hanging
[19:55] <alteroo> SilverDawn: Big file?
[19:55] <SilverDawn> 250mb
[19:55] <SilverDawn> ive extracted bigger
[19:55] <alteroo> did you do a test on it ?
[19:55] <SilverDawn> yes
[19:55] <orvokki> Ehm, I installed them back in Gutsy and I suppose the graphical upgrade interface updated them when going from Gutsy -> Hardy beta.
[19:55] <SilverDawn> it passed the md5 summing
[19:55] <bicyclist> Did you select the proprietary drivers via the new hardware drivers menu ?
[19:55] <SilverDawn> my cpu is was 100% for some reason aswell
[19:55] <alteroo> SilverDawn: ok tar -xjvf filename
[19:56] <alteroo> cwillu: my log is filled with mieqEnequeue: out-of-order valuator event; dropping.
[19:56] <alteroo> tossed event which came in late
[19:56] <SilverDawn> it just hangs there =(
[19:56] <SilverDawn> I need this ISO
[19:57] <orvokki> bicyclist: I did.
[19:57] <alteroo> SilverDawn: I'm guessing you have no gui :)
[19:57] <SilverDawn> i tried the gui one
[19:57] <SilverDawn> It did nothing
[19:57] <SilverDawn> But when i opened the file the bz2 the file i want is there
[19:57] <SilverDawn> it just wont come out
[19:57] <bicyclist> Hmm, weird, the graphic driver to me was the only thing that never made any probs.
[19:57] <alteroo> Hold on
[19:57] <alteroo> when you opened what file?
[19:57] <SilverDawn> the bz2
[19:58] <npurciful> Okay i did a clean install of kubuntu hardy beta (encrypted) now when i login and go to Storage Media there is my encrpyted drive for kubuntu listed if go to say cdrom it puts a icon on my desktop for cdrom and the encrpyted drive
[19:58] <alteroo> SilverDawn: What's the name of the file?
[19:58] <SilverDawn> mgl-devel-20080322.iso.bz2
[19:59] <alteroo> SilverDawn: :-P
[19:59] <alteroo> why are you using tar?
[19:59] <SilverDawn> ?
[19:59] <SilverDawn> ...
[19:59] <SilverDawn> Because you guys said too
[19:59] <SilverDawn> i WAS using bunzip
[19:59]  * alteroo sighs
[19:59] <SilverDawn> but then i was told not too
[20:00] <alteroo> bunzip2 file
[20:00] <orvokki> bicyclist: X fails to start after that. I have to change to nv to get a graphical interface at all.
[20:00] <SilverDawn> which also hangs, It extracts 5.7mb then stops
[20:01] <alteroo> that is strange then
[20:01] <bicyclist> Hmm, how about envy ? Did you try to install with envy ?
[20:01] <alteroo> bzip2 -d filename
[20:01] <alteroo> cwillu, nemo: I'm just going to pull the plug
[20:01] <bicyclist> There is an envy-ng version availabel expecially for hardy heron 1
[20:02] <SilverDawn> if i do a -vv i get alot of this
[20:02] <SilverDawn>     [29: huff+mtf rt+rld]
[20:02] <SilverDawn>     [30: huff+mtf rt+rld]
[20:02] <SilverDawn>     [31: huff+mtf rt+rld]
[20:02] <SilverDawn>     [32: huff+mtf rt+rld]
[20:02] <alteroo> hm
[20:02] <alteroo> try bzip2 -t filename
[20:02] <alteroo> it will do a test on it
[20:02] <SilverDawn> how long should the test take
[20:03] <alteroo> A bit I think
[20:04] <orvokki> bicyclist: Not, not yet. Can't find a package for envy though.
[20:06] <J-_> Is there any reason why I can't play DVD's?
[20:06] <bicyclist> Have a look at: http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html See the table and select GetEnvyNG
[20:06] <bicyclist> Hope that helps.
[20:06] <alteroo> Wheee earthquake
[20:07] <cwillu> !dvd
[20:07] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[20:08] <J-_> cwillu: Yeah. I followed the first URL, and installed libdvdcss2.
[20:08] <J-_> I just couldn't sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[20:08] <alteroo> Well that's mildly interesting
[20:09] <alteroo> I can't play music unless I'm logged into the GUI
[20:09] <cwillu> J-_, drop the examples
[20:09] <bluefoxx> i think i found a issue to report...im trying to run a program in WINE and every now and then w/e key on the keyboard im pressing will lock up and screw the entire system up, forcing me to do a hard reboot[aka the reset button/pulling the plug] namely the "w" key. and no, it is not just the keyboard as i tried two different ones
[20:09] <cwillu> it's just in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh on mine
[20:10] <J-_> that worked =P Now I have to see if it'll play now
[20:10] <bluefoxx> i was also wondering how i can get numlocks to stay on at all times and how to replace capslocks with compose
[20:11] <cwillu> bluefoxx, -> launchpad.net for bugreports;  alteroo might be having the same issue (I'm doubting it's wine, unless it's a buggy windows app freezing while holding the mouse;  winecfg has options to disallow that)
[20:11] <marko-_-> i got sound in hardy and today i don't have it anymore. any suggestions, please ?
[20:11] <cwillu> bluefoxx, prefs, keyboard options (or something like that)
[20:11] <alteroo> marko-_-: Hmm?
[20:11] <marko-_-> what hmm ? i didn't had sound then i got it by installing linux-module386 (i think... someting like that) and today just again no sound
[20:12] <cwillu> J-_, future reference, locate install-css.sh would work too :p (although it might have needed an updatedb first)
[20:12] <cwillu> marko-_-, probably a kernel update?
[20:12] <J-_> I get too many packets in the buffer it says
[20:12] <bluefoxx> i cant even ctrl-alt-backspce once a key locks up. the program in question is half life two
[20:12] <J-_> the video is all crazy like
[20:12] <marko-_-> cwillu, i don't know... i updated stuff today but i didn't chek it what was i updating
[20:12] <bluefoxx> and its usually the 'w' key locking
[20:12] <cwillu> bluefoxx, that's nice, but check the stuff I mentioned :p
[20:12] <bicyclist> bluefoxx does reisub work ?
[20:13] <bluefoxx> bicyclist, nope, not even that fixed it
[20:13] <bicyclist> Wow, that is extreme. Normally reisub should override everything..
[20:14] <bluefoxx> bicyclist, the key just keeps repeating, doesnt let me do anything else
[20:14] <cwillu> marko-_-, dangerous thing to do on an unreleased os :)
[20:14] <marko-_-> i think i will just install gutsy back
[20:15] <cwillu> marko-_-, give hardy a shot again once its been released;  there's still large amounts of changes going through, things still break (mostly from bugfixes gone awry now, but still)
[20:16] <marko-_-> cwillu, i know, i know ofcourse i will give it a shot
[20:16] <marko-_-> and i understand what's going on
[20:16] <marko-_-> but for now i can't live 30 days (or how many till hardy will be released) without sound
[20:16] <marko-_-> :D
[20:16] <alteroo> marko-_-: it will probably b fixed by toorrow
[20:17] <bluefoxx> the annoying part is it sets off the system bell if i change windows which then causes compiz to throw out a water effect tidal wave from the window title bar and it does it very rapidly which quickly locks up the computer and crashes it[fork-bomb anyone?]
[20:17] <marko-_-> it's not only that
[20:17] <marko-_-> compiz doesn't work 100% too
[20:17] <marko-_-> and stuff
[20:17] <marko-_-> but the most anoying thing is the sound
[20:17] <alteroo> Compiz doesn't work 100% Full stop
[20:17] <marko-_-> it doesn't work ok
[20:18] <Svish> is RythmBox player broken in 8.04?
[20:18] <Svish> I get Couldn't start playback - Unknown playback error when I try to start one of the pre added radio channels..
[20:18] <bicyclis1> Svish, to me it seems to work just fine
[20:19] <cwillu> bluefoxx, did turn on the water plugin accidently did you?
[20:19] <bluefoxx> i removed my system speaker inside the computer as it annoyed everyone in the vicinity[loud little bugger]
[20:19] <bluefoxx> cwillu: no, i turned on the compiz plugins
[20:19] <cwillu> bluefoxx, which ones?
[20:19] <bluefoxx> cwillu: i use it cause like i said, i removed the sys speaker
[20:19] <bluefoxx> cwillu: err, one sec
[20:19] <alteroo> Bah
[20:20] <alteroo> KDE 4.1 is 4 days after Hardy ships
[20:20] <alteroo> Dang you KDE!
[20:20] <Itaku> uh for some reason none of my apps open
[20:21] <alteroo> Itaku: Even from Command line?
[20:21] <Itaku> calculator doesnt
[20:21] <Itaku> uh whats command line for calculator?
[20:21] <alteroo> which calculator
[20:21] <ethana2> qalculate FTW
[20:21] <Itaku> applications accessories...
[20:21] <ethana2> ;)
[20:21] <alteroo> gnome? xcalc ?
[20:21] <Itaku> gnome?
[20:21] <Itaku> i tihnk
[20:22] <alteroo> gomne-calculator
[20:22] <alteroo> Spelt correctly of course
[20:22] <bicyclis1> gnome-calculator
[20:22] <Itaku> itaku@itaku-desktop:~/Unreal3.2.7$ gnome-calculator
[20:22] <Itaku> (gnome-calculator:10422): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[20:22] <Itaku> itaku@itaku-desktop:~/Unreal3.2.7$
[20:22] <bicyclis1> hmm let me check on that too.
[20:22] <alteroo> Ah your xhosts is messed up maybe
[20:22] <bluefoxx> cwillu: add helper, enhanced desktop zoom, opacify, show mouse, brightness and saturation, desktop cube, rotate cube, expo, widget layer, pretty much all effects except minimize effect, blur windows, motion blur and trailfocus, annotate, splash,image loading plugins,
[20:23] <Itaku> how do i un-mess it?
[20:23] <Itaku> restart windows server?
[20:24] <wastrel> i like inkscape
[20:24] <alteroo> wastrel: That's ... informative :)
[20:24] <bluefoxx> cwillu: and more[srry, xchat crashed after i disabled system bell and water plugin]
[20:26] <wangfg> who know why the kde window menus don't work?
[20:26] <mydoghasworms> Anyone unsuccessfully tried the upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 Beta? Have problems because local mirrors in South Africa not synced properly and using other mirrors taking forever.
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> mydoghasworms: How fast can you download the dvd ?
[20:28] <wangfg> i have little problem..
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> you can probably dist-upgrade with that quite fast
[20:28] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: Depends from where. Locally (South Africa) should be speedy.
[20:29] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: And how big it is?
[20:29] <h3sp4wn> 4GB
[20:29] <h3sp4wn> or so
[20:30] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: Will just have to wait for release and download the CD ISO :-( Thanks for the advice though.
[20:30] <bluefoxx> why is it that even though i manually mounted my extra drives to other folders by editing /etc/fstab they still show up on my desktop rather than invisibly merging with the system?i mounted them with fstab and they still show up on the desktop, cluttering it and annoying me -.-"
[20:30] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: Almost reached my bandwidth limit for month.
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> mydoghasworms: Then what happens they just reduce the speed ? or cut you off or charge ?
[20:31] <bluefoxx> and now rhythmbox wont die -.-"
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> Depends where its mounted
[20:31] <alteroo> mydoghasworms: get that taken care of
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> iirc anything outside /media should be ok
[20:31] <bluefoxx> there...fixed it for now with a sleep script >>
[20:32] <mydoghasworms> h3sp4wn: Limit me to local sites. Will maybe try at end of month. 4GB is quite a bit...
[20:32] <mydoghasworms> alteroo: Indeed :-D
[20:32] <bluefoxx> while true; do sleep 2 && killall rhythmbox ; done
[20:32] <kRush> WTF? pink compiz window shadows... who came up with that? =x
[20:33] <bicyclis1> kRush it seems to be a well know bug with nvidia mine are either pink or yellow.
[20:33] <bluefoxx> wewt! it stayed dead after i ended the script!!
[20:33] <alteroo> kRush: Have you seen fluffy bunny for KDE4 ?
[20:33] <kRush> nope, but sounds fun ^^
[20:33] <bluefoxx> but why would rhythmbox keep trying to open itself after i closed it i wonder??...
[20:33] <alteroo> kRush: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=807
[20:34] <coz_> any news on the wacom tablet driver issue yet?
[20:34] <bluefoxx> well, another bug for them to iron out
[20:34] <h3sp4wn> kRush: http://ilovetallwoman.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/captura_da_tela-3.jpg perhaps the people behind that project
[20:35] <SilverDawn> anyone know how to get opengl to work with wine
[20:35] <kRush> urgh, reminds me of the hello kitty WoW interface
[20:35] <alteroo> SilverDawn: Prayer :-)
[20:35] <alteroo> SilverDawn: #winehq
[20:35] <coz_> h3sp4wn, that is some ugly butterfly :)
[20:36] <h3sp4wn> coz_: I never liked tux
[20:36] <coz_> h3sp4wn, no offense    It just shocked me when I first looked at the picture :)
[20:37] <coz_> h3sp4wn, one of the really nice things about linux is the constant surprise for me when I see the amount of creativity in themes and background
[20:37] <coz_> h3sp4wn,  so I really am not trying to be offensive
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> Didn't offend me
[20:38] <orvokki> bicyclis1: No workie.
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> I like black (even vista is not so bad)
[20:38] <alteroo> Vista is the secondary devil
[20:38] <nemo> my desktop background is an svg
[20:39] <nemo> every minute I write new system info to it, then refresh the gconf key :)
[20:39] <unenough> is there a way to install a dev package and all dependencies that are needed for apps that use that dev package?
[20:39] <orvokki> You who have working nvidia-glx-new: could you tell me which version of nvidia-glx-new and kernel image package you have?
[20:39] <poseidon> I want to be able to play chess, but it says that it doesn't have support for python GTKExt, how do I install it?
[20:39] <unenough> or is it supposed to already depend on them?
[20:39] <poseidon> I installed the python openGL
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> alteroo: I wouldn't use the os but I think it looks nicer than the &*$£ brown default theme
[20:39] <bluefoxx> firefox 3 is pretty sweet!
[20:39] <nemo> I suppose I could do the same thing with the desktop cube cap - if I was using the desktop cube
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> unenough: there is apt-get build-dep
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> but thats not exactly what you asked for (I don't think that exists)
[20:41] <bicyclis1> So: My nvidia-glx-new is version 169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31
[20:41] <orvokki> What about the kernel package?
[20:41] <oxigen> i would like to use root-tail for desktop background. is this possible in new gnome?
[20:41] <unenough> h3sp4wn, yes I know
[20:41] <orvokki> Oh, right.
[20:41] <unenough> I think the dev package should directly depend on anything you might need for using it
[20:41] <orvokki> Sorry, didn't notice it had that. :)
[20:41] <oxigen> probably question for #gnome, but anyway..
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> unenough: It does
[20:42] <orvokki> Mine shows 169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31 too.
[20:42] <bicyclis1> And the kernel module is 169.12.-0ubuntu3+2.6.22-14.52
[20:42] <unenough> h3sp4wn, i'm having aproblem with libgstreamer0.10-dev
[20:42] <orvokki> bicyclis1: Are you using -generic kernel?
[20:42] <marsje> I just installed Hardy beta and I can't seem to set my network to a fixed IP address with the network settings applet. DHCP works fine. Is this a known problem?
[20:42] <h3sp4wn> unenough: what are you trying to do
[20:42] <unenough> build a program that uses gstreamer
[20:43] <unenough> h3sp4wn, never mind i found it. it was my mistake.
[20:43] <bicyclis1> Yes nvidia kernel generic
[20:43] <bicyclis1> installed via envy
[20:43] <coz_> ooo
[20:43] <h3sp4wn> !ency
[20:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ency - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:43] <h3sp4wn> !envy
[20:43] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[20:44] <h3sp4wn> but in this case it provides exactly the same versions
[20:44] <coz_> bicyclis1, 6 months ago I would have supported your use of envy but it can mess things up
[20:44] <orvokki> bicyclis1: Hmm, I meant rather Linux kernel.
[20:45] <bicyclis1> well normally i stick with the ubuntu originals but i tried envy cause my new sony notebook had problems with brightness support and still has.
[20:45] <orvokki> But right...
[20:45] <coz_> bicyclis1,  ah ok if it works then ok :)
[20:45] <bicyclis1> nope the drivers work but i still can not adjust brightness. Hoping for the final release.
[20:46] <orvokki> bicyclis1: Which nvidia card did you have again?
[20:46] <bicyclis1> jup generic kernel
[20:46] <orvokki> Hmm, right...
[20:47] <bicyclis1> GeForce 8600M GS
[20:47] <orvokki> So 2.6.22-14-generic.
[20:47] <poseidon> Does the update package go really slow for you guys when downloading?  I get a download rate of "unknown" a lot of times (hence it's not downloading anything).
[20:47] <bicyclis1> nope rather fast, where are you located.
[20:48] <poseidon> But everything else that is connected to the internet works fine.
[20:48] <bicyclis1> it seems there is a problem with a undersea cable in the north sea in the moment slowing the traffic between europe and us
[20:48] <SilverDawn> is there a package that will add syntax highlighting to vim
[20:49] <tanner_> the internet does seem rather... slow at the moment
[20:49] <tretl1> hi, anyone having problems with nautilus?
[20:49] <Flannel> SilverDawn: Once you have the full vim ('vim' package), just turn syntax highlighting on
[20:49] <tretl1> tanner_ having trouble accessing ubuntu forums and google?
[20:50] <tanner_> tretl1: no, however access to some of my online services is rather slow
[20:50] <SilverDawn> where do you turn syntax highlighting on?
[20:51] <poseidon> bicyclisl, I'm in Va, U.S.A. ..... unfortunately :)
[20:51] <bicyclis1> Maybe that is the reason. I myself have problems accessing certain american web sites.
[20:51] <bicyclis1> hopefully they wil fix it soon.
[20:52] <tretl1> where are ye from, maybe its the isp, ireland here?
[20:52] <Flannel> SilverDawn: Easiest place is in vimrc, you can do it globally or locally.  globally is in /etc/vim/vimrc, uncomment the "syntax on", a personal rc is similar
[20:52] <bicyclis1> I am from germany.
[20:53] <oxigen> can i set gnome to skip backround printing?
[20:53] <J-_> Does anyone have any problems playing dvds?
[20:53] <tanner_> usa here
[20:53] <h3sp4wn> J-_: Nope
[20:53] <J-_> weird
[20:54] <h3sp4wn> J-_: you can run the script in libdvdread or get the medibuntu package
[20:54] <SilverDawn> pulse audio is so cool lol
[20:54] <bicyclis1> I have ping times of about 50 ms for german sites but for example ping times of 300ms for yahoo.com
[20:54] <tretl1> pulse will be cooler when the pulse settings are included
[20:54] <J-_> h3sp4wn: I installed the medibuntu package.
[20:55] <J-_> h3sp4wn: maybe I haven't, what do I need to install?
[20:55] <h3sp4wn> pule would be cooler if it worked better
[20:55] <h3sp4wn> libdvdcss2
[20:56] <h3sp4wn> *pulse
[20:56] <stefg> bicyclis1: you might want to join #ubuntu-de , to rule out that 1&1 is your problem
[20:56] <J-_> h3sp4wn: Hmm, yeah, I have that installed.
[20:56] <h3sp4wn> can you vobcopy from a dvd ?
[20:57] <h3sp4wn> (encrypted) if you can libdvdcss2 is working
[20:59] <J-_> I got a few errors
[20:59] <J-_> write error, not sure why since I have a dvd in there that I want to watch
[21:00] <nemo> god that was embarassing
[21:00] <J-_> maybe it's the dvd, brb
[21:00] <tanner_> J-_: what dvd?
[21:00] <nemo> !@#$ network-admin forced me to ask my mom to share her session over vnc
[21:00] <J-_> Orange County
[21:00] <nemo> well. more like !@#$ polkit
[21:01] <poseidon> Is there a batch like language for linux?
[21:02] <bicyclis1> poseidon: There are several. You can do shell scripting with php, python, basic shell programming and of course perl
[21:02] <J-_> hehehehe it was the dvd, weird!
[21:02] <ethana2> Yarr
[21:02] <ethana2> I don't know what package to file this bug against
[21:03] <ethana2> somebody who knows how gnome and X handles keyboards and layouts, could you have a look at this?
[21:03] <J-_> Kinda sucks =( Orange County is an awesome movie, and I want to watch it while I go to sleep =\
[21:03] <ethana2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/188308
[21:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188308 in ubuntu "colemak is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:03] <tanner_> J-_: try mplayer?
[21:03] <J-_> oh I have =)\
[21:03] <tanner_> J-_: how recently did you purchase the dvd
[21:04] <kRush> uhm, I guess there's still no gnome setting for home much scrollwheel movement translates into how many lines get actually scrolled, is there?
[21:05] <nemo> heh. ubotu pinged me for no good reason :)
[21:05] <nemo> something I said must have set it off
[21:05] <tanner_> it likes you nemo
[21:06] <nemo> tanner_: well, it certainly was deferential
[21:07] <ulisse> my screen never goes off with powermanager, I tried to issue the xset command by hand and it works. any clue?
[21:10] <Infecto> i`m borred
[21:10] <Infecto> kmail is so stupid
[21:11] <Infecto> he ask me 20 times to store password, i answer yes and he didnt store this password
[21:11] <tanner_> french?
[21:15] <tanner_> Infecto: curious, what is your native language?
[21:15] <Infecto> polish
[21:15] <Infecto> but i use english
[21:15] <tanner_> ah, wonderful
[21:16] <Infecto> its in english
[21:16] <tanner_> i only ask because you refer to the program as a "he"
[21:16] <Infecto> ;]
[21:16] <tanner_> normally you would refer to it as "it"
[21:16] <tanner_> :)
[21:17] <Infecto> yes, i treat him personaly :)
[21:18] <tanner_> spring break is a drag :(
[21:18] <tanner_> i'm tempted to reread all my cisco books out of pure boredom
[21:18] <marsje> tanner_: read them upside down as an extra challenge
[21:19] <marsje> tanner_: or you could try to set your network card to a fixed IP address with the gnome network settings applet and see if it works...
[21:19] <tanner_> lol
[21:19] <tanner_> having problems with network manager ?
[21:20] <marsje> tanner_: yes
[21:20] <tanner_> "what else is new"
[21:20]  * tanner_ is not a huge network manager fan
[21:20] <marsje> tanner_: when I set it to fixed ip and I do a ifconfig afterwards I see my card has only a ipv6 address, not a ipv4 address
[21:21] <SilverDawn> hey guys, im having a problem with my soundcard. Its a C-Media CMI8738, Its soposed to be surround sound 5.1 but im not getting audio from my center speaker
[21:21] <SilverDawn> =\
[21:21] <SilverDawn> any ideas
[21:21] <JediMaster> anyone here know anything about setting up custom repositories? I've got one setup, but I need to authenticate the custom packages now
[21:22] <kRush> SilverDawn, pulseaudio messed my surround sound up, check the config
[21:22] <tanner_> marsje: perhaps you should blacklist the ipv6 module and restart
[21:22] <SilverDawn> which config kRush
[21:23] <marsje> tanner_: it would also solve my delayed apt-get... but actually I wanted to try ipv6
[21:23] <marsje> tanner_: I have a tunnel... somewhere
[21:23] <tanner_> marsje: then it appears ipv6 is working
[21:24] <kRush> SilverDawn, /etc/pulse/.. daemon thingy - I have not yet completely wrapped my head around it either
[21:24] <marsje> not sure if it is working, but my first concern was ipv4
[21:25] <clusty> i know its blasphemy asking for such a thing, but still. Any clues on how to get susopend to disk working in hardy?
[21:25] <clusty> worked reasonably well in gutsy
[21:25] <SilverDawn> kRush,  how did you fix it?
[21:26] <tanner_> marsje: i believe if you choose to use ipv6, thats all you get
[21:26] <kRush> SilverDawn, $ cat /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |grep channel
[21:26] <kRush> ; default-sample-channels = 2
[21:26] <kRush> default-sample-channels = 6
[21:26] <marsje> tanner_: I think ipv6 is enabled by default in ubuntu
[21:27] <SilverDawn> kRush, how do you restart pulse?
[21:27] <tanner_> marsje: it is
[21:27] <SilverDawn> just restart alsa?
[21:27] <SilverDawn> or pulse
[21:27] <marsje> tanner_: so, what does the fact that ipv6 is enabled have to do with the fact I can't set an ipv4 address in network manager?
[21:28] <marsje> tanner_: I'm not getting your point
[21:28] <marsje> if I set the IP address to <IP_ADDRESS> and I press ok, I expect it to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:28] <kRush> SilverDawn, would have to look it up, I wasn't in a hurry so I waited for my next reboot
[21:29] <tanner_> marsje: because your trying to set an ipv4 address into a system thats using ipv6
[21:29] <marsje> tanner_: since when are ipv4 and ipv6 mutually exclusive?
[21:29] <tretl1> tretle@tretle-desktop:~$ nautilus
[21:29] <tretl1> seahorse nautilus module initialized
[21:29] <tretl1> ** (nautilus:11791): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported
[21:29] <tretl1> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:29] <tretl1> tretle@tretle-desktop:~$
[21:30] <tanner_> tretl1: pastebin please.
[21:30] <tretl1> could someone help me solve this?
[21:30] <tanner_> marsje: stranger things have happened :)
[21:30] <blueyed> Can somebody please check if "ls /sys/bus/{ide,scsi}/devices/*/block" outputs anything on Hardy, especially with IDE devices, please?
[21:31] <marsje> tanner_: do you use ipv6?
[21:33] <adinc> can someone please tell me if there is a new kernel package released for hardy?
[21:33] <tanner_> marsje: no, i have it blacklisted
[21:34] <Luckrider> Hey everyone, I was sent here from the regular ubuntu chan, and I was wondering if anyone can help me with x-chat. I have a fresh install of Hardy Heron, and I installed x-chat using add/remove. I was wondering if anyone knows how to show the user list in the side bar with this version of x-chat, I have used the fiesty version, and x-chat 2 for window. Any help is appreciated.
[21:34] <tretl1> how do I switch of samba sharing in the terminal?
[21:35] <marsje> tanner_: can I see your /etc/network/interfaces? (pm me)
[21:36] <tanner_> marsje: auto lo (\n) iface lo inet loopback
[21:37] <kRush> Luckrider, you installed xchat or xchat-gnome?
[21:37] <marsje> tanner_: weird..
[21:37] <Luckrider> umm.
[21:37] <Luckrider> x-chat gnome
[21:37] <Luckrider> btw thanks in advance
[21:37] <tanner_> Luckrider: you want the regular xchat it seems
[21:37] <Luckrider> ok
[21:37] <Luckrider> let me try that
[21:37] <Angelus> guys what am i gonna do about this error of virtual box ?
[21:38] <Angelus> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:38] <Angelus> wait not that
[21:38] <tanner_> however Luckrider, in reality support for xchat should be addressed in #xchat
[21:38] <ulisse> hmm... I found this: http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/FAQ#head-ce2bda3ffecec2f2534eab3a0d58bb89a16df04b
[21:38] <Luckrider> hmm. I am gonna have to download it from the site because it is not in the add/remove
[21:38] <Luckrider> oh
[21:38] <Luckrider> thanks Tanner_
[21:38] <Angelus> * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv
[21:38] <Angelus>  * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[21:38] <kRush> should be there
[21:38] <Angelus> why am i getting that? :s
[21:39] <tanner_> that was odd
[21:39] <h3sp4wn> Luckrider: Just do - sudo apt-get install xchat in the terminal
[21:39] <Luckrider> oh
[21:39] <Luckrider> duh
[21:39] <Luckrider> I forgot about that
[21:39] <ulisse> in the link they says to change a couple of options in /apps/gnome-power-manager , but I don't have those options in my gconf... is it the same for you?
[21:39] <marsje> another thing: anyone has a Intel G965 graphics chip? it makes my gnome hang when desktop effects are turned on (which was the default)
[21:39] <tanner_> Angelus: you didnt install the module package
[21:39] <mrtimdog> Angelus: try: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[21:40] <tanner_> wtf. i'm getting the chat in blocks O.o
[21:41] <Luckrider> tanner_, you are the best, that was the version I used to have, thank you very much
[21:41] <tanner_> anytime.
[21:41] <blueyed> Angelus: you need to install the modules.. e.g. virtualbox-ose-modules-generic
[21:42] <tanner_> Angelus: virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[21:42] <tanner_> you need that package if you dont already have it
[21:42] <blueyed> tanner_, Angelus: better use the meta package
[21:42] <kRush> little OT: anybody knows which bittorrent client identifies itself as some random hex-string (0xd3blagarbl)?
[21:42] <Itaku> (gnome-calculator:11384): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[21:42] <Itaku> XEE
[21:42] <Itaku> help
[21:42] <tanner_> blueyed: i suppose.
[21:42] <Itaku> fix how?
[21:42] <Itaku> (gnome-calculator:11384): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[21:43] <blueyed> Itaku: are you running gnome-calculator from inside Gnome? Is $DISPLAY set?
[21:43] <AaronMT> Anyone have installation instructions for a broadcom bcm43xg wireless device, I have no idea how to get wireless up and runnign in 8.04 beta
[21:43] <blueyed> Itaku: woops.. should be set to :0.0
[21:43] <npurciful> okay I have a 'Encrypted Filesystem' but kubuntu is put a link on my desktop like it does with usb removable drives, anyone know why or how to remove it
[21:43] <tanner_> Itaku: are you trying to run it through a root console
[21:44] <ulisse> AaronMT: connect your pc with a cable and let the restricted-manager do its thing
[21:46] <AaronMT> I dont have a physical way to connect the router.
[21:46] <AaronMT> ^to the router
[21:46] <ulisse> AaronMT: hmm... you'll have to download some packages and install them by hand, in that case
[21:46] <Matthew> how is the Heron ?
[21:47] <Angelus> :/
[21:47] <ulisse> AaronMT: I think you need the bcm-fwcutter and the firmware for your card
[21:47]  * tanner_ is hungry =(
[21:50] <ulisse> AaronMT: here is the fwcutter: http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/FAQ#head-ce2bda3ffecec2f2534eab3a0d58bb89a16df04b
[21:51] <ulisse> AaronMT: for the firmware, look at the link that the restricted manager will provide, and download the file from there
[21:51] <adinc> i've my ubuntu machine not here, can someone tell me if today there has been a new kernel released for hardy?
[21:52] <ulisse> nope, adinc
[21:52] <adinc> ulisse: thank you
[21:52] <ulisse> np
[21:52] <AaronMT> Im going to try this offline install https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Gutsy#head-60c0dd48972d93f123f836302cc92fc54ba66408
[21:53] <ulisse> AaronMT: the packages linked there are for Gutsy, use the Hardy package I linked above instead
[21:53] <AaronMT> You linked me a faq
[21:54] <ulisse> uhm... sorry :P
[21:54] <ulisse> wrong paste
[21:54] <tanner_> mmm a meatball sub sounds good
[21:55] <ulisse> AaronMT: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/bcm43xx-fwcutter
[21:57] <tanner_> dear god the internet is crawling
[21:58] <AaronMT> no deb package there?
[21:59] <ulisse> AaronMT: click on the correct architecture i at the bottom of the page (probably i386)
[21:59] <ulisse> AaronMT: you'll be redirected to a mirror list, just select one
[21:59] <AaronMT> oh there it is
[22:00] <pestilence> when i play videos in totem on my external monitor, the aspect ratio is wrong
[22:01] <pestilence> i also get an incorrect aspect ratio with tecplot
[22:01] <pestilence> what could be causing this?  i am using the same Xorg as in gutsy, where tecplot worked fine
[22:01] <pestilence> the main difference that I see is the addition of compiz (i didn't use that before)
[22:03] <pestilence> actually, it's not specific to my external monitor.  it has the same problem on my laptop lcd
[22:03] <AaronMT> ulisse is the firmware the same as gutsy's
[22:03] <ulisse> AaronMT: yep, the firmware is distro-agnostic :)
[22:08] <tanner_> bahaha, "Notice: Undefined index: zip in d:\wwwsites\wienerschnitzelcom\www\restaurants.php on line 54"
[22:09] <sa2> Just wanted to say.. the Heron is beautiful
[22:16] <nemo> ok !@#$ it
[22:17] <nemo> I was able to connect briefly using iwl3945
[22:17] <tanner_> um, this is creepy :-\
[22:17] <nemo> then I got the kind of annoying !@#$ intermittent errors that are referenced in bug #176602
[22:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176602 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "Unable to connect to WEP encrypted network when using iwl3945 module (but success when using ipw3945)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176602
[22:17] <nemo> sooo screw it
[22:17] <nemo> how do I switch back from iwl3945 to ipw3945? at least that one worked
[22:19] <tanner_> nemo, iwlwifi is still considered experimental, please voice any issues with the driver at #ipw2100 or their mailing list
[22:21] <AaronMT> where is restricted driver manager in hardy
[22:22] <crd1b> AaronMT: it has been renamed
[22:23] <AaronMT> what is it now
[22:23] <crd1b> "Device Drivers" if I rememeber correctly
[22:23] <crd1b> it's still in the Administration menu
[22:23] <AaronMT> hardware drivers?
[22:24] <crd1b> bingo
[22:24] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i see no reason to break my previous record...  i've done beta for edgy, feisty, and gutsy, might as well bite the bullet and go for it now :D
[22:25] <AaronMT> I am trying to install the bcm43xx-fwcutter but its not listing the firmware in hardware drivers
[22:25] <AaronMT> I already installed the deb package for hardy
[22:25] <poseidon> How do I install python-gtkgltext?
[22:26] <poseidon> I need it to get the 3d version of chess.
[22:28] <nemo> poseidon: apt-get install python-gtkglext1 ?
[22:28] <nemo> oh. gl text?
[22:28] <nemo> what is gl text?
[22:29] <AaronMT> bah how I get the firmware listed in hardware drivers
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> however, i think i'll upgrade the laptop first, maybe that will fix the problems i've been having in gutsy with removable media...
[22:29] <poseidon> nemo, if I go to try and play the 3d version of chess, it says it needs support from it.
[22:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> You have to download a total of 2019M
[22:29]  * Daisuke_Laptop cries
[22:30] <poseidon> nemo, osrry is glext
[22:30] <poseidon> I was forgetting the 'l' when doing sudo-apt :)
[22:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, i suppose i'll just let this run for a looong time
[22:31] <marko-_-> what happened to #ubuntu channel ?
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> what do you mean what happened to it?
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's there
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> 1300+ users
[22:32] <marko-_-> -ChanServ- [##unavailable] You've tried to join an unavailable channel.
[22:32] <marko-_-> when i wanna join ubuntu
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> weird
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> try again, i suppose
[22:32] <marko-_-> i tryed
[22:32] <marko-_-> many times
[22:32] <crd1b> you've probably been banforwarded
[22:32] <crd1b> check with #ubuntu-ops
[22:33] <marko-_-> whan means that ?
[22:33] <marko-_-> i never did anything
[22:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> what's with ##unavailable?
[22:35] <confrey> hi everybody
[22:36] <confrey> I've installed kubuntu-hardy
[22:36] <confrey> how can I active restricted drivers?
[22:41] <Daisuke_Ido> probably something in system settings
[22:41] <Daisuke_Ido> advanced, maybe
[22:47] <poseidon> How do I take a screenshot in ubuntu?
[22:50] <Laney> Hit the print screen key
[22:50] <clarezoe> my firefox crashes when I print the page into a pdf file, is that a bug? anyone gets the problem?
[22:52] <confrey> is there anybody using kubuntu?
[22:52] <clarezoe> poseidon, if you use compiz, you can hold super key and move your mouse to quote wherever you want and the screenshot will be saved in the desktop
[22:52] <confrey> I can't use dolphin, because of an error about amarok
[22:53] <Smygis> How do i change the system time? If i try to change it by rightklicking om the clock and change it there X.org freezes when i klick the 'change system time' button.
[22:54] <Smygis> I have chosen the right timezone but ubuntu apparantly thinks its +1 hour than it realy is.
[22:55] <Smygis> if i go the route of system - Admin* - Time and date it works for a while but resets the time to +1 time after a while.
[22:56] <naught101> how do I find out what changed on my last upgrade?
[22:58] <tiax> Is there no debootstrap script for hardy yet? I checked 1.0.8 both tarball and .deb
[22:58] <Smygis> nevermind
[23:03] <loa_> nemo, i found my problem =)
[23:04] <loa_> nemo, NetworkManager initiate scan for new wireless points and network goes down for few seconds =)))
[23:07] <AnswerGuy> What area of the wiki is actively maintained/monitored for enhancement requests (post Hardy)?
[23:08] <naught101> AnswerGuy: launchpad is used for feature requests...
[23:08] <renfrew> I'm having trouble setting up static ip's in hardy.. anyone got any suggestions?  tried using network manager, but, well, maybe I should call it network mangler.. ;)
[23:10] <tanner_> anyone here have Comcast as their isp?
[23:10] <AnswerGuy> Is that https://launchpad.net/ ?
[23:10] <renfrew> not me tanner_ ... rogers is my ISP
[23:11] <gew1> tanner_: nope , but whats with comcast
[23:11] <gew1> i always read about them on dslreports
[23:11] <tanner_> my torrents are completely dead, uploading works though. and my connection is dog slow lately
[23:12] <AnswerGuy> tanner_: you think they are doing content blocking?
[23:12] <gew1> tanner_: they block torrents
[23:12] <tanner_> AnswerGuy: would not surprise me
[23:13] <renfrew> I've read that they traffic shape, amongst other dastardly deeds.. comcast been getting bad press lately,.. not to turn this into a flame war or anything
[23:13] <AnswerGuy> I've heard that they do this.
[23:13] <tanner_> gew1: "throttle", no reports of completely blocking them
[23:13] <AnswerGuy> Yeah, violating 'net neutrality principle.
[23:13] <gew1> tanner_: have you d/l lots lately
[23:13] <tanner_> no, comcast doesnt deserve anything less than faming
[23:13] <gew1> that might be one of the reason why you slow ( connection)
[23:14] <tanner_> gew1: i dont pay $80 a month to not download a lot :)
[23:14] <gew1> tanner_: like i isad http://dslreport.com
[23:14] <tanner_> no, i know of the reports
[23:14] <gew1> and you can find tons of stories about comcast
[23:14] <tanner_> this is a first its happened though and i am unsure if its entirely their fault
[23:14] <renfrew> so, like, am I the only one using static Ip's?  DHCP works great but I want to have my home net static...
[23:14] <renfrew> tanner_:  have you tried changing ports?
[23:15] <gew1> tanner_: are u using public torrents or private
[23:15]  * AnswerGuy wonders if one could use a tunnel to a linode or other VPS --- run the torrent on the VPS and stream it across your own VPN link?
[23:15] <tbf> is my perciption right, that only 2 of hardy's packages depend on gtk-sharp!?
[23:15] <tanner_> public, and no havent tried chaning ports
[23:16] <tbf> i'd expect much more packages
[23:16] <AnswerGuy> In other words you could create your own private proxy (over ssh, IPSec, CIPE, VTun, whatever)
[23:16] <bluefoxx-alt-com> ok, so im on my at computer using the live cd and trying to boot off the scsi hdd i have in the system, which is a 4.4 gig ona 50 pin adapter. the problem is that when i boot off of it it just says grub and hangs indefinately, whilst lighting the fdd activity and IDE actvity lights. im thinking grub is misconfigured, and i would try the super grub boot floppy but have no floppies left[they all got ruined] anyone  got some hel
[23:17] <tanner_> AnswerGuy: in theory if that was the case, i could setup torrent to use TOR network which would "theoretically" bypass comcasts content filtering, if that is what it is happening
[23:17] <bluefoxx-alt-com> anyone got some ideas**
[23:17] <AnswerGuy> Of course this cuts down on efficiency a bit (both for the encryption and because all the data is routed to your VPS and then back over your VPN
[23:17] <bluefoxx-alt-com> [my friend hit enter for me<whacks teyr head>]
[23:17] <AnswerGuy> Does TOR support torrents?
[23:17]  * AnswerGuy things that sounds funny: torrents over TOR
[23:18] <renfrew> azureus has support for TOr, so I'm thinking yeah.. TOr can torrent
[23:18] <tanner_> well, tor is a proxy type network.. so i imagine so
[23:18] <tbf> ah!  libgtk2.0-cil is the proper package name
[23:18] <prometheuss> but it the other end is on comcasts network you are still screwed
[23:18] <tanner_> its just odd upstream works but i am unable to find any peers on any of my torrents
[23:18] <AnswerGuy> tanner_ ... try it.
[23:19] <prometheuss> tanner_ it is supposed to work the opposite way
[23:19] <tanner_> prometheuss: i know :\
[23:20] <renfrew> grr.. back to google... and/or DHCP... good luck with the torrents tanner_
[23:20] <tanner_> and magically it works
[23:21] <bluefoxx-alt-com> `bluefoxx
[23:21] <bluefoxx-alt-com> oop
[23:21] <bluefoxx-alt-com> wrong keyboard[two computers here]
[23:21] <prometheuss> I wish georgia had fios
[23:21] <tanner_> the fbi/nsa/cia watching my connection must have told comcast to stop as it was interfering with their investigation ;)
[23:21] <prometheuss> lol
[23:22] <prometheuss> rogers makes me cry at night
[23:22] <tanner_> lol
[23:23] <prometheuss> shaw and comcast during the day
[23:24] <prometheuss> savvas how you get it to forge your ip and dns info when you connect
[23:24] <bluefoxx-alt-com> annyone got a clue?
[23:25] <gew1> tanner_: why $80 .. do u have business acc
[23:25] <prometheuss> you don't need a business account to run a server
[23:30] <tanner_> gew1: no, i have the most expensive package they offer, 8Mbps
[23:30] <watchme> hi all
[23:30] <tanner_> prometheuss: i think comcast does not support running a server on residential accounts
[23:31] <savvas> prometheuss: you can cloak it and set it to say unaffiliated, ask in #freenode
[23:31] <romulo> hi there =)
[23:32] <watchme> I have a huge problem: my System dowsnt work anymore. It tells me, it is in read-only mode. But nowwhere (/etc/fstab for example) is said, that it should take RO
[23:32] <poseidon> If I find a program on the net (their usually .tar.gz) how do I download and install them (in general) if I can't sudo apt-get install them
[23:32] <tanner_> poseidon: you have to compile them if they have no packages
[23:32] <watchme> poseidon: untar; ./configure &&make && make install
[23:32] <bluefoxx-alt-com> tanner_: if your trying to setup a server then http://damon.zapto.org/forum/ may help you
[23:32] <watchme> does anyone know something for my prob?
[23:33] <tanner_> bluefoxx-alt-com: eh?
[23:33] <poseidon> watchme, thanks
[23:33] <prometheuss> I haven't cloaked it, they seem to not care
[23:34] <bluefoxx-alt-com> tanner_: as i recall, the kid that made/owns/runs the site made his own server and hosts it from his house or something of that sort
[23:34] <tanner_> bluefoxx-alt-com: i'm curious why you recommended me the link =)
[23:34] <prometheuss> for fedora/redhat but linuxhomenetworking.com has good stuff
[23:34] <watchme> wonderful.... no one helps ...
[23:35] <noodlesgc> is there anywhere i can see screenshots of a default install of the latest hardy release?
[23:35] <tanner_> watchme: people cannot help when they know not the answer you seek.
[23:35] <tanner_> watchme: what is the output of dmesg
[23:36] <watchme> tanner_: nothing important... no error, nothing
[23:36] <tanner_> thats more useless than the output of dmesg..
[23:36] <bluefoxx-alt-com> tanner_: ithe screen and computer this is running on is at my back while im playing half life on my main, and i glanced up and from what i could see i am guessing someone is having trouble with making a server/website or something
[23:36] <watchme> there really is NO error, NOTHING that says: " hey Im going into RO mode"
[23:37] <tanner_> watchme: pastebin the dmesg output please.
[23:37] <tanner_> also, what filesystem are you using
[23:37] <watchme> (Im only on console now, and the damn pastbins only work with X )
[23:37] <tanner_> bluefoxx|gaming: understandable, carry on :)
[23:37] <watchme> ext3
[23:37] <tanner_> watchme: have you rebooted into single user mode and ran fsck on your drives?
[23:38] <watchme> yes , no errors occurred
[23:38] <corevette> will hardy ship firefox 3 even if it is still in beta? http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/03/firefox-3-expected-for-june/
[23:38] <watchme> fsck ran through without any error
[23:38] <bluefoxx|gaming> tanner_: basically its forums for the webhosting he offers
[23:38] <tanner_> corevette: possibly
[23:39] <tanner_> bluefoxx|gaming: well given his site is still loading i dont think id trust it for much ;)
[23:39] <prometheuss> firefox 3 will come out after hardy
[23:39] <tanner_> watchme: drive failure?
[23:39] <Tuv0k> anyone use liferea?
[23:39] <watchme> smart says no
[23:39] <bluefoxx|gaming> tanner_: its being hosted from his home, and his ISP is giving him heck i think, i had trouble loading all the elements today too
[23:39] <watchme> S.m.a.r.t.
[23:39] <tanner_> i know what your talking about watchme, hmm
[23:40] <Adys> Has anyone had problems when using a launcher going to trash:/// ?
[23:40] <tanner_> watchme: have a livecd anywhere you can boot into?
[23:40] <Adys> aka, it hangs out when opening (not always), and after that gedit tries to open it
[23:40] <watchme> yes
[23:40] <tanner_> watchme: boot into the live cd, rerun fsck and check for drive integrity
[23:41] <tanner_> watchme: most common reason a filesystem forces a RO mount is drive/filesystem failure
[23:41] <watchme> rgr
[23:41] <watchme> afair I did it yesterday, but I will try :)
[23:41] <bluefoxx|gaming> watchme: you can get a full S.M.A.R.T. report on your drives with smartmonutils, using the command smartctl -a /dev/<device>
[23:42] <watchme> I can not install anything :(
[23:42] <watchme> and smartctl I used from the liveCD
[23:43] <bluefoxx|gaming> watchme: boot the live cd, enable all repos and update them , then install it
[23:44] <watchme> ok.. then Ill reboot
[23:48] <zylstra555> Hello. I am running Hardy on my server and a few times I have gotten the message that apt-get was unable to lock the download directory. How would I prevent this from happening in the future?
[23:49] <watchme> check that no  apt is running, while updating/upgrading
[23:49] <zylstra555> watchme: There are no other apts or synaptics running
[23:50] <zylstra555> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a fixes the problem effectively, but, it doesnt seem to be very... lasting
[23:51] <zylstra555> Actually,  now that command isnt working either..
[23:51] <clarezoe> anyone understand French?
[23:51] <nemo> oui
[23:52] <watchme> so... I checked smartctl and fsck.ext3 .. no errors at all