[14:40] <aquarius> hey, all. The boxes on http://www.ubuntu.com/things should have .company-wrapper .company.box { overflow: hidden; } set, I think. http://screencloud.net/v/4oO4
[14:42] <cjohnston> nottrobin_: ^
[14:42] <aquarius> cheers cjohnston :)
[14:43] <cjohnston> thanks aquarius :-) how've you been?
[14:43] <aquarius> cjohnston, oh, you know -- ticking along. Things are going quite well, actually :)
[14:44] <aquarius> how goes the life?
[14:44] <cjohnston> it goes, it goes.. keeping busy as always
[14:49] <nottrobin> thanks aquarius & cjohnston. I've passed it on to the front-end guys.
[14:49] <cjohnston> thanks much


[01:54] <holstein> ScottL: i had a gig
[01:55] <holstein> im just getting around to the installs really
[01:55] <holstein> burning discs and all that
[06:40] <holstein> well, seems everything installed alright
[06:41] <holstein> crazy busy tomorrow though
[17:32] <holstein> ScottL: ping
[21:25] <BenLoftis_> hello ... looking for UbuntuStudio  devs/ project managers
[21:27] <holstein> BenLoftis_: whats up?
[21:27] <holstein> i can help the message get where it needs to go prolly
[21:29] <BenLoftis_> Over at Harrison, we're getting close to a Linux launch of Mixbus,  our hot-rodded version of Ardour.   I'd like to  (a)  list ubuntustudio as a "preferred" or "supported" distro for use with Mixbus, and secondly, ask if they want to provide some affiliate links to our Mixbus store.
[21:29] <holstein> OH
[21:29] <holstein> right on
[21:29] <holstein> i thought i recognized your nick :)
[21:29] <BenLoftis_> yeah I recognized yours
[21:30] <holstein> we have a meeting coming up
[21:30] <holstein> and that can be a topic
[21:30] <holstein> this tuesday i think...
[21:31] <holstein> BenLoftis_: would you mind to send an email to the DEV list?
[21:31] <holstein> with exactly what you have in mind?
[21:31] <holstein><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:31] <holstein> you can CC me on it too
[21:31] <BenLoftis_> I'd probably have to be a member to join...
[21:31] <BenLoftis_> to post rather
[21:31] <holstein> mikeh789 at gmail dot com
[21:31] <BenLoftis_> will you forward  it for me?
[21:32] <holstein> if it doesnt go through
[21:32] <holstein> i'll forward
[21:32] <holstein> AND, i can get back to you about the progress
[21:33] <BenLoftis_> Actually I'd prefer to use either IRC or email if you don't mind.   putting it on-list while we are just "discussing the possibilities" might start more press than I'm interested in at this stage.
[21:34] <holstein> sure
[21:34] <holstein> PM if you prefer
[21:34] <holstein> totally fine in here too though
[21:35] <BenLoftis_> well,  I pretty much laid it out above.  we want to (a) list ubuntustudio as a good/supported/suggested platform,  and (b) see if they want to link back to our store and get a cut of sales.
[21:36] <BenLoftis_> How many people would be involved in that kind of discussion?  I don't know what kind of organization you guys have.
[21:36] <holstein> cool, i'll get taht to ScottL
[21:36] <holstein> that*
[21:36] <holstein> he'll know how to procede
[21:37] <holstein> i think ScottL can make that call


[04:05] <allan_> hello
[04:13] <daftykins> 0o
[08:27] <dwatkins> mornin
[09:45] <daubers> Morning
[10:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:48] <solarcloud_3scrn> Here's my 27thDec'12 present anyway ... http://goo.gl/7DEur [http://books.slashdot.org/] ... anyone want the xsane-scan ??
[12:37] <penguin42> popey: Hmm that Ouya looks neat, nice physical design, sounds cheap, not sure it'll do much for games, but should work nice to run Linux
[12:41] <solarcloud_3scrn> penguin42, Best thing is .. 'OUYA' is not registered on ebay as a seller name .. so I guess it's all poster's and buyer's market (in mini-HDMI Leads.)
[13:12] <popey> penguin42, yeah, I backed it, so keen to see it succeed
[13:15] <kvarley> popey: Will the Ubuntu ARM version run on that system? Could make a killer TV/Web Browsing box with that 1.6 GHz Quad Core Tegra in it
[13:15] <popey> could do
[13:16] <popey> could be a better set top box than rpi
[13:17] <popey> but I'm more interested in it as a games machine
[13:17] <popey> tricky though given it's not got touch at all, so many games will need some thought
[13:17] <kvarley> popey:  That's just down to lazy devs not considering different input methods so if game devs wake up and start considering stuff it could be very good
[13:18] <popey> not really
[13:18] <popey> Android always was designed for phones and tablets
[13:18] <popey> so not "lazy" for devs to think their games would have a touch screen
[13:18] <kvarley> Yeah but for years now you've been able to have keyboards and mice connected
[13:18] <popey> but nobody does
[13:18] <kvarley> True, lazy was the wrong word. I mean, they may have otherlooked it
[13:19] <popey> nobody connects a keyboard/mouse to their phone!
[13:19] <kvarley> True, I do on my tablet tho
[13:19] <popey> that's only happened in the last 18 months
[13:19] <popey> since the TF101 and friends arrived
[13:19] <kvarley> Thought it was longer, sorry
[13:20] <popey> yeah, feels like it doesn't it?
[13:20] <popey> android seems to move on pretty quick
[13:20] <kvarley> Haha yeah, I'm just happy that Linux based stuff is getting more and more common
[13:20] <kvarley> I keep overlooking how short a time it's actually been prominent in the market
[13:20] <popey> easy to do when you use it daily
[13:22] <kvarley> Interesting project anyway, hope it takes off because it could be really special. The pricetag is very attractive, I know a lot of casual gamers who'd probably be interested. Are you getting a developer edition one?
[13:23] <popey> no
[13:34] <penguin42> popey: Well I suppose the keyboard/mouse thing was there on the early transformers and on the early Toshiba netbook thing
[13:34] <popey> yeah, the AC100 didn't even have a touch screen
[13:35]  * popey looks at the ac100 under his desk
[13:35] <penguin42> yeh, that's why it died a death
[13:35] <penguin42> popey: Thing is the ARM stuff moves pretty quickly so those guys are going to have to make sure it lands on time, otherwise it's going to look **yawn** compared to quad A15 things with more RAM etc
[13:37] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[13:40] <popey> yeah
[13:40] <bashrc> it's a shame that netbooks are apparently dead.  I use one quite regularly
[13:46] <Daviey> popey: I didn't know you have an ac100
[13:46] <popey> yeah, it's running ubuntu for testing compiz on arm
[13:46] <Daviey> popey: Japanese keyboard?
[13:46] <popey> no, uk
[13:47] <Daviey> !
[13:47] <Daviey> How the heck did you get that?
[13:47] <Daviey> we had to get ours from Japan IIRC
[13:48] <popey> ebay 2nd hand
[13:48] <Daviey> ah
[13:49] <Daviey> i wouldn't taint myself with second hand wares. :)
[13:49] <popey> model AC100-10U
[13:49] <popey> tempted to make it an all-text machine
[13:49] <popey> remove the GUI completely and just use text based apps
[13:50] <Daviey> Model: PDN01-00HO1C
[13:50] <Daviey> mine has X, but is mostly accessed via ssh TBH
[14:58] <DJones> Why doesn't copying 300Gb to an external USB drive happen instantly...I've run out of patience, I want to get it properly installed, but need to wait until I've copied a stack of data over
[14:58] <penguin42> because it's a USB-2 spinny disk?
[15:01] <DJones> Heh
[16:30] <celesteh> So I tried clicking the upgrade button on the update manager to go to 12.0.4 and it sort of worked, but a bunch of my programmes are broken. So I downloaded a disk image to reinstall from the DVD instead. The disk is teling me that if I reinstall, it will delete all my photos and data. Does it actually wipe out my home directory?  I've made a backup, but would really prefer it if I could just keep the home dir. Does anybody have exp
[16:30] <celesteh> erience with this?
[16:43] <popey> celesteh, hi
[16:44] <popey> if you reinstall and choose to manually partition and choose _not_ to format the partition, it will reinstall over the top, keeping whatever you have in /home
[16:45] <celesteh> cheers, popey.  when it asks me to create a user later on, do i have to make sure to pick a new user name?
[16:45] <popey> no, use the same username and password as your previous install
[16:54] <celesteh> cheers!
[16:58] <Azelphur> my nexus 4 arrived
[16:58]  * Azelphur does happy dance
[17:00]  * MartijnVdS waits for an LTE Nexus
[17:15] <Azelphur> and already got a buyer for my Galaxy S3, 3 hour turn over xD
[18:48] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: nexus 4 is already kind-of LTE, but it only supports half the frequencies
[18:48] <ali1234> so it only works in some countries on some providors
[18:50] <Azelphur> ali1234: it is? interesting
[18:51] <ali1234> you need rom hack too of course
[18:51] <Azelphur> cool
[18:51] <ali1234> LTE is rubbish anyway
[18:51] <Azelphur> yea, it's a bit useless in this country as of yet
[18:51] <ali1234> over priced, over hyped
[18:51] <Azelphur> I ain't payin £40/mo for mobile
[18:51] <Azelphur> £12.90 is more my speed :P
[18:52] <ali1234> it won't actually improve speeds for individuals anyway, not when everyone has it
[18:53] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:54] <ali1234> Azelphur: what app were you using to play with NFC?
[18:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: to read credit cards? squareless
[18:55] <ali1234> is it free?
[18:55] <Azelphur> yep
[19:12] <ali1234> Azelphur: it does not work on my cards
[19:12] <ali1234> it makes a funny noise when i move the card near but then it says "read failed"
[19:16] <Azelphur> ali1234: might not be holding it near it for long enough, it can be fiddly
[19:16] <Azelphur> it's worked on every credit card I've tried
[19:22] <ali1234> did you find somehwre to buy blank nfc tags?
[19:23] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope
[19:23] <ali1234> rapidnfc.com looks good they have all kinds of stuff with nfc tags in them
[19:27] <Azelphur> nice
[19:29] <brobostigon> blackadder the third, bbc2, now, :)
[20:13] <Azelphur> Anyone know how I can tell if my computer is connected on 802.11g or 802.11n?
[20:13] <Azelphur> Trying to debug a network speed issue, doing ssh root@dd-wrt cat /dev/zero and only getting 40-400KB/sec mostly
[20:15] <penguin42> something like iwconfig?
[20:15] <Azelphur> says it's connected at 144.4Mb/s with a link quality of 65/70
[20:15] <dwatkins> you could test with netcat to rule-out the encryption as the cause
[20:16] <Azelphur> dwatkins: how would I do that? :P
[20:16] <dwatkins> or ttcp, that's even easier Azelphur - are the machines accessible directly, i.e. can you open a port on one that's visible on the other?
[20:17] <Azelphur> dwatkins: I got my computer (Linux) connected to a DD-WRT router
[20:17] <Azelphur> that's what I'm using to test, although my end goal is to make 1080p streaming work off my HTPC
[20:17] <directhex> Azelphur, intel wifi?
[20:17] <Azelphur> Belkin Components F5D8053 N Wireless USB Adapter v1000/v4000 [Ralink RT2870]
[20:18] <dwatkins> Azelphur: do you have another machine on the same network to test with?
[20:18] <Azelphur> yes
[20:18] <Azelphur> not sure if my laptop does N, I'll take a look.
[20:20] <popey> I'd just click on network manager and connection info
[20:20] <popey> to see what speed it's connected at
[20:21] <popey> or run nm-tool
[20:21] <dwatkins> ethtool should tell the link speed, too
[20:21] <dwatkins> ...if you're a command line junkie like me ;)
[20:22] <Azelphur> my laptop only connects at 54mb/sec, but it gets 1MB/sec throughput with ssh cat /dev/zero
[20:22] <Azelphur> although it is very spikey, much like how it is with my PC only a bit faster
[20:23] <Azelphur> looking very similar basically, so the problem is likely in the router
[20:24] <Azelphur> guess I'll update dd-wrt and see if that resolves it
[20:25] <dwatkins> ah, it's called 'nttcp' now
[20:25] <dwatkins> that should test the bare throughput
[20:26] <popey> i use iperf to test connections
[20:26] <Azelphur> or not, seems I'm already on the latest build
[20:27] <dwatkins> I'm using wireless 'n' but also 100 MBit, so I only get about 5 Megabytes per second between machines.
[20:28] <Azelphur> yea, I'd be fine if I could stream 1080p video via lan :P
[20:28] <dwatkins> I can stream 1080p on this connection.
[20:29] <dwatkins> ooh, nice - iperf gives much easier to read output, cheers popey
[20:29] <Azelphur> yea I'm in the process of trying out iperf :P
[20:30] <Azelphur> 2.26mbit/sec between me and my HTPC
[20:30] <Azelphur> although my HTPC is only connected at 802.11g
[20:31] <ali1234> 1080p is a massive bandwidth hog
[20:31] <penguin42> Azelphur: How's the TV?
[20:31] <Azelphur> penguin42: the 55"? it's good, I like it
[20:31] <Azelphur> I hooked up XBMC and it's all going well
[20:31] <penguin42> cool - I need to forcibly find some more wall room
[20:31] <Azelphur> it takes like 15 seconds to turn on which is a little annoying.
[20:31] <popey> ouch
[20:31] <penguin42> Azelphur: So does our Sony
[20:32] <penguin42> Azelphur: I think that's it's Linux boot for some reason
[20:32] <Azelphur> most of that is showing a furrion logo, which is odd seens as it's not even a smart TV.
[20:32] <ali1234> does it have freeview? (of course it does)
[20:32] <ali1234> that epg takes a while to boot up...
[20:33] <Azelphur> yea it does
[20:33] <ali1234> even my monitor takes about 5 seconds to turn on
[20:34] <penguin42> please wait: percolating naval
[20:34]  * penguin42 blames it all on Flash
[20:35] <penguin42> (the hardware not the software)
[20:35] <ali1234> where does that "please wait: reticulating splines" gag come from?
[20:35] <ali1234> oh right, sim city 2000, of course
[20:36] <Azelphur> just timed it, 16.6 seconds to turn on
[20:36] <soreau> Azelphur: nice
[20:36] <Azelphur> that's not from cold, that's from standby
[20:36] <soreau> aw
[20:36] <Azelphur> lol
[20:37] <ali1234> that's not bad for a completely unoptimized linux firmware
[20:38] <Azelphur> but yea I'm happy with it, and most of the people who see it think it's awesome
[20:38] <Azelphur> definitely good bang for buck at only £400 :P
[20:38] <penguin42> nod, I really don't have room for it unfortunately
[20:38] <Azelphur> when someone tells me I don't have room for screens I buy more screens
[20:39] <ali1234> well a jumbo jet is awesome too, doesn't mean i want one in my living room :P
[20:39] <Azelphur> haha
[20:39] <penguin42> Azelphur: Well I think I'd have to move the door to get enough wall space for it
[20:39] <Azelphur> it looks fine :P
[20:39]  * penguin42 wonders what the size of a 1920x1080 pixel is on a 55" set
[20:40] <Azelphur> I'm uploading a photo of it now
[20:40] <ali1234> 33^2 + 44^2 = 55^2
[20:41] <Azelphur> oh wait I already have some of up close
[20:41] <ali1234> except it's 16:9
[20:41] <penguin42> good try :-)
[20:41] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ua8iy2hp6z8ytw/2012-12-27%2004.49.39.jpg?m
[20:41] <Azelphur> (good news everyone, I've made an invention that displays IRC highlights on my TV!")
[20:42] <Azelphur> but also gives you a good idea what it looks like :p
[20:42] <penguin42> 40dpi?
[20:43] <ali1234> (16*x)^2 + (9*x)^2 = 55^2 -> x = 2.996
[20:43] <penguin42> nod and *16=47.9
[20:43] <penguin42> then 1920/47,9 gives 40
[20:43] <ali1234> yeah, 40dpi
[20:44] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ua8iy2hp6z8ytw/2012-12-27%2004.49.39.jpg?m is what it looks like from the couch (excuse the mess, just moved in and still unpacking/sorting things :p)
[20:45] <ali1234> 0.6mm
[20:46] <soreau> Azelphur: It's the same link. Copy/Paste error?
[20:46] <Azelphur> whoops
[20:47] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6si28g9slvjw55x/2012-12-28%2020.40.23.jpg
[20:47] <soreau> Azelphur: Oh yea, you need to clean your room sir
[20:47] <ali1234> lol
[20:47] <ali1234> i was just about to say the same thing
[20:47] <Azelphur> indeed, I'm sorting through all the boxes of stuff, havn't really got any storage units to put anything into yet
[20:48] <Azelphur> ikea is set to deliver me some drawers and stuff after new years, then I'll have places to put things
[20:48] <Azelphur> kinda hard to tidy up in an unfurnished apartment :p
[20:48] <soreau> excuses
[20:48] <Azelphur> "this goes...on the floor...that goes...on the other floor"
[20:48] <soreau> heh
[20:49] <penguin42> Azelphur: Of course with a TV that big you could just hide it all behind it
[20:49] <Azelphur> penguin42: true
[20:49] <Azelphur> "these cloths go in the chest of---floor."
[20:49] <penguin42> or at that price just buy a few more and make a false wall
[20:49] <Azelphur> xD
[20:49] <Azelphur> haha
[20:50] <penguin42> hmm, you could do a 'cave' - i.e. a 5 sided cube with your head in the middle
[20:50] <Azelphur> penguin42: you havn't seen the desk I've got on the way from ikea :P
[20:50] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/December/layout.png
[20:51] <penguin42> hmm, not IPs, hmm what are those numbers?
[20:51] <penguin42> w/h/d ?
[20:51] <Azelphur> ikea part numbers
[20:51] <penguin42> ah
[20:51] <penguin42> I thought they just called everything Fnuglehurfs or something
[20:51] <Azelphur> they have names too
[20:51] <Azelphur> all of that is galant
[20:52] <penguin42> (That's probably very unfamily friendly in some language, in which case I apologise)
[20:53] <Azelphur> but yea when the desk arrives I'll have lots of space to put things
[20:53] <popey> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/categories/departments/workspaces/18960/
[20:53] <popey> galant!
[20:53]  * soreau stomps off in disgust
[20:53] <Azelphur> don't hate my galant :o
[20:54] <Azelphur> was the only thing I could find that would give me the shape I wanted at reasonable quality
[20:54] <Azelphur> and a sane price
[20:54]  * penguin42 has contiplas and the metal wall strips+brackets
[20:55] <Azelphur> hehe I'm not much on DIY so didn't like the ikea of my first project being a desk to hold ~£2000 worth of computer equipment
[20:55] <Azelphur> s/ikea/idea
[20:55] <penguin42> nod
[20:56] <penguin42> apparently you can get old 'brown' furniture quite cheaply - some of it's built like a tank; I'd be tempted to use that
[20:56] <Azelphur> yea, the stuff I ordered is the black/brown ikea galant :p
[20:56] <penguin42> Azelphur: I was thinking more about pre-50s real wood stuff that's way out of fashion
[20:58] <Azelphur> ah
[20:58] <Azelphur> doubt I could get anything in that shape though, it actually measures down to a few mm off the sides of the room
[20:58] <Azelphur> perfect fit :p
[21:03] <popey> we have a fair amount of ikea furniture, it's worked out well for us
[21:09] <Azelphur> good to hear :D
[21:35] <Azelphur> I'm trying to connect to sipgate (port 5060 UDP) but my brother has that port forwarded to himself, any suggestions on how I can workaround this?
[21:36] <penguin42> Azelphur: Get  your brother drunk and reconfigure your router?
[21:36] <Azelphur> haha, nah, he has those ports forwarded for the exact same reason i want them
[21:37] <Azelphur> and, I'm borrowing his internet connection until mine gets activated in February, so he gets priority.
[21:50] <daftykins> Azelphur: router is too rubbish to forward an alternate one is it?
[21:50] <daftykins> differing source and destination ports i mean
[21:51] <Azelphur> it's a client rather than a server
[21:51] <Azelphur> I need to connect to port 5060 elsewhere, so there can only ever be one port involved
[21:51] <daftykins> ah
[21:51] <Azelphur> and the routers NAT is crap in that it doesn't work properly making it break :P
[21:53] <daftykins> my minds drawing a blank
[21:54] <Azelphur> fun
[21:55] <daftykins> today we mourn the loss of my Pioneer optical drive, in my desktop
[21:55] <daftykins> no longer is it detected :(
[21:55] <Azelphur> may it rest in pieces (throw it out the window for fun)
[21:56] <daftykins> ^_^
[22:00] <daftykins> is it me or was Ubuntu 10.4.4 too old to handle a SATA device being plugged in after boot? (LiveCD mode)
[22:03] <mgdm> Unity's alt-tab thing is not exactly intuitive :(
[22:10] <daftykins> this is amusing http://i.imgur.com/JqdVT.jpg
[22:10] <Azelphur> haha
[23:02] <ali1234> that's great
[23:03] <ali1234> i want a tiny couch for inside my computer now
[23:04] <ali1234> Azelphur: what you need is a asterisk server to recieve incoming sip calls and then forward them to which ever computer... i guess... i never used sip
[23:04] <Azelphur> sounds long and complicated, probably better to just wait till feb when my net comes back \o/
[23:04] <ali1234> yes
[23:04] <ali1234> nobody uses sip anyway
[23:04] <ali1234> just get skype
[23:05] <ali1234> speaking of skype, i wish canonical would just license the collabora skype stuff and integrate it properly into empathy
[23:05] <ali1234> i might actually use empathy if they did that
[23:05] <ali1234> of course collabora already integrated it, i mean integrate it properly into ubuntu
[23:07] <daftykins> Microsoft haven't stopped Skype updating the Linux client then?
[23:07] <ali1234> no, not that it matters
[23:07] <ali1234> the collabora stuff doesn't need the skype client running that's why it is great
[23:08] <daftykins> why avoid it?
[23:08] <ali1234> it uses the libskype, which is only available under a specific paid license
[23:08] <ali1234> because the client is horrid
[23:08] <ali1234> it doesn't integrate properly into anything else
[23:08] <ali1234> did you ever use a N900?
[23:09] <daftykins> the old school Nokia phone? nah
[23:09] <ali1234> notice that when you get a telephone call vs a skype call, the UI is exactly the same?
[23:09] <ali1234> and a single address book too
[23:09] <ali1234> you don't even have to think about it
[23:09] <ali1234> same for skype chat vs text messaging vs anything else
[23:09] <ali1234> they all appear in one place
[23:10] <daftykins> i'm not sure that's important to me right now
[23:10] <ali1234> well if you dn't use skype it wouldn't be
[23:10] <daftykins> i have done but don't really plan to skype from my mobile?
[23:10] <ali1234> or if you don't use anything else but skype
[23:10] <daftykins> i do on the desktop
[23:10] <daftykins> i've got irssi, Pidgin for MSN and Skype open right now
[23:10] <ali1234> N900 is a desktop practically
[23:11] <ali1234> it uses empathy
[23:11] <ali1234> i'm 99% sure it uses the collabora libs, but they will never admit it
[23:11] <daftykins> so it's all about having all your chat protocols in one client?
[23:11] <ali1234> yes
[23:12] <ali1234> because why would you want to use 3 different clients all with different interfaces?
[23:12] <ali1234> the amazingly good skype integration on N900 is basically it's killer feature
[23:12] <daftykins> more through lack of choice :) or effort to find anything
[23:13] <ali1234> nobody cares about having X11 on a phone, seriously
[23:13] <ali1234> hardly anyone even cares about having it on the desktop any more
[23:14] <popey> +1
[23:14] <ali1234> "android isn't linux because it doesn't use X11" <- words of silly people
[23:14] <popey> heh
[23:14] <daftykins> i'm not really sure how we got onto that topic from what came before
[23:15] <ali1234> i was saying ubuntu should license the same skype integration that wen into the maemo, because it's awesome and it will sell ubuntu
[23:17] <ali1234> put it in the software center for paid if necessary, i don't care
[23:17] <ali1234> just save me from the stupid skype UI
[23:20] <daftykins> 303GB free of 5TB :(
[23:21] <daftykins> 4 years later, another RAID setup at the end of its' life
[23:21] <penguin42> 4 years isn't a bad life I guess - how many drives?
[23:21] <penguin42> youch 28m to build an ubuntu kernel
[23:22] <ali1234> delete stuff
[23:22] <penguin42> (124 mins of cpu time)
[23:23] <daftykins> yeah, probably will delete bad films etc :)
[23:23] <daftykins> 6 disk that one, RAID 5 naturally
[23:23] <ali1234> am i the only person who has only 1 hard disk?
[23:23] <ali1234> (per computer)
[23:23] <penguin42> ali1234: I think it's just down to us two
[23:24] <ali1234> i am getting good at data recovery
[23:24] <penguin42> ali1234: Although even I've got an SSD as well in my main machine
[23:24] <daftykins> lol one?
[23:24] <ali1234> i know ext3 inside out
[23:24] <ali1234> i haven't had an ext4 drive die yet
[23:24] <penguin42> ali1234: If you've got multiple machines, then rsync is very good!
[23:25] <ali1234> i back up to the cloud
[23:25] <daftykins> i've got an rsync setup for backing up a clients data to external HDDs over USB 2.0, i find it takes forever
[23:25]  * penguin42 backs just the critical stuff up to a small insignificantly sized usb stick, but very rarely
[23:25] <daftykins> i was hoping it'd quickly look at the files missing, copy those and be done
[23:25] <penguin42> daftykins: It has to figure out which are missing
[23:26] <daftykins> sure but this takes hours
[23:26] <penguin42> have they got many zillions of files ?
[23:27] <daftykins> one set is a photo collection
[23:27] <penguin42> but those are a few MB each?
[23:27] <ali1234> i found rsync is quite fast at finding the missing files
[23:27] <daftykins> yep
[23:27] <daftykins> when i ran it in verbose mode, it seemed to be looking at every individual file in quite some detail
[23:28] <penguin42> daftykins: That's odd, I wonder if you've got something else that's causing problems with the modification dates on the files
[23:28] <daftykins> i took to running it in a screen session overnight to go back and check on
[23:28] <penguin42> daftykins: Maybe something adding tags to the photos or the like?
[23:28] <ali1234> if i ls -lR > foo.txt the directory i have to rsync, it takes several minutes - hours
[23:28] <daftykins> shouldn't be
[23:28] <ali1234> but rsync starts transfering files immediately
[23:28] <ali1234> i don't know how it does it
[23:29] <daftykins> maybe rsync does a lot more than i need it do
[23:29] <daftykins> s/do/to/
[23:29] <penguin42> for me it's normally quite sane - it does take  a little while to start for me, but never long
[23:30] <penguin42> daftykins: Are both filesystems ext or is one fat?
[23:30] <daftykins> XFS -> EXT4
[23:30] <penguin42> I'd like to blame XFS, but I can't actually think of a reason to
[23:31] <daftykins> i chose it for his RAID as i heard it was good for large files
[23:31] <ali1234> it is good for deleting large files
[23:31] <ali1234> i always use it for my mythtv
[23:31] <daftykins> heh
[23:31] <ali1234> because deleting a 4GB file on ext4 takes forever
[23:31] <ali1234> and hammers the disk
[23:31] <ali1234> mythtv has that option "delete slowly" for this reason
[23:32] <penguin42> oh, is that still an issue on ext4 - hmm
[23:32] <daftykins> what does it do? zero the LBAs? XD
[23:33] <ali1234> penguin42: dunno, might be ext4 only
[23:35] <ali1234> i mean ext3
[23:35] <ali1234> apparently ext4 extents fixes it
[23:37] <penguin42> ah good


[01:36] <mwhudson> dannf: can't you just whack linux/whatever in the triggers?
[01:56] <sarnold> "ow, he got whacked right in the triggers"
[03:07] <dannf> sarnold: heh. mwhudson I tried that - linux-generic (w/ a bumped version) - and it got installed, but no reboot. I'll just try the reboot protocol
[03:07] <mwhudson> dannf: huh
[03:12] <dannf> mwhudson: oh, no - you're right - i just missed that part in the log!
[03:13] <mwhudson> dannf: oh good!
[03:14] <mwhudson> i knew there were some packages that triggered a reboot if upgraded and it would be silly if the kernel wasn't on the list!
[08:58] <Skia> helmut: thanks for pointing out `dumat`. I've freshly integrated Canonical QA team, so I won't take any decision on my own, but I've forwarded the information to my colleagues for discussion. That definitely sounds like a tool we could run on a weekly basis a output the report somewhere useful. :-)
[09:33] <helmut> Skia: for debian, I run it 4 times a day (once per mirror push). it usually runs in less than 2 minutes (incrementally). hence I'd recommend running it more frequently and only flagging differences to the previous output to avoid getting 4 reports per day
[09:35] <ginggs> rs2009: are you aware unity FTBFS in Noble?  I just filed a bug to track it LP: #2051343
[09:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2051343 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity: FTBFS in Noble" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051343
[09:38] <Skia> helmut: okay, thanks. The discussion for now is whether or not we should setup a regular job to monitor this. This will be escaladated to the right people by paride, and if a decision is taken to run this regularly, we'll likely come back to you for the details :-)
[09:48] <fheimes> Hi @plusone I'm wondering if you can help on a s390-tools / s390-tools-sign upload to noble, that is stuck since ~9d, waiting for approval.
[09:48] <fheimes> Britney says that 's390x not built yet' (https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#s390-tools) and LP indicates that the build is not approved yet 's390x (Unapproved)' (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/s390-tools/2.30.0-0ubuntu1).
[09:48] <fheimes> Are plusone member able to approve or who can approve (in this dev-release, means non-SRU, case)?
[10:01] <helmut> Skia: cool. for doing that jugdement, my sample report https://subdivi.de/~helmut/ubuntu-20240125.yaml (with lots of false positives due to over-approximating supported-ness) can be a basis.
[10:01] <helmut> Skia: the question probably becomes whether there is sufficient signal to be found in that noise to make it worth continuing regularly
[10:02] <Skia> yes, I agree, but on that, I clearly don't have enough background and experience to have any kind of judgment :-)
[10:03] <helmut> sure
[10:04] <paride> Hi helmut! Indeed I didn't have the opportunity to do more testing with dumat on the Ubuntu archive after the Debian reunion past year
[10:05] <helmut> roughly speaking, I expect that sitting down for an hour and tweaking that is_supported function for ubuntu can cut down the report size to 10% (which is roughly the signal/noise ratio I expect)
[10:12] <paride> helmut, I'm going to play with the tool again to have a more meaningful discussion. Ideally I'd like to have the tool spot an actual issue in Ubuntu, to have something concrete and immediately useful to iterate on.
[10:13] <paride> helmut, I doubt I'll manage to do that today, more likely next week.
[10:13] <paride> helmut, btw thanks for pinging here!
[10:24] <helmut> paride: rather than work through the tool, I recommend sampling the report and giving feedback on that (or improving it by tweaking the analyzer)
[10:25] <helmut> paride: for the evaluation, you can totally skip data acquisition and feature extraction and work from the sqlite3 db. only if what you get from there is useful, look into the other part
[11:13] <paride> helmut, makes sense, thanks
[12:51] <tsimonq2> paride: I'll pass you some Standard instructions for an Ubuntu deploy today.
[12:52] <tsimonq2> For now, I'll juet run a cronjob on my server :)
[12:54] <paride> thanks Simon!
[13:55] <bdmurray> dbungert: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/ironic-python-agent might be interesting to look at. I'm seeing 403s in the log file.
[15:14] <tsimonq2> paride: You're welcome :) I started a repo here: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+git/dumat (cc helmut) - when you get the chance next week, check back there, I'll ensure the README is up to date :)
[15:43]  * sudip can also run dumat if that helps, but wont have time to look at reports it generates
[16:03] <arraybolt3> fill me in since I've apparently been living under a rock - what is this `dumat` tool?
[16:03] <arraybolt3> packages.ubuntu.com isn't letting me search for it :P
[16:04] <arraybolt3> can't find it with apt-cache search on a Noble machine either
[16:05] <sudip> arraybolt3: its a "/usr-merge analysis tool"
[20:33] <Eickmeyer> Working on LP: #2038849, but not willing to pilot-in because 😱
[20:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2038849 in jack-capture (Ubuntu) "jack-capture FTBFS" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2038849
[20:34] <Eickmeyer> sudip: Pretty sure this one is yours, but since I'm the audio guy, I get to do it.
[20:35] <sudip> Eickmeyer: yes, thats me
[20:35] <Eickmeyer> 😁
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> sudip: Not your patch, but that spelling patch is missing a DEP-3 header. Unfortunately, I know for a fact that maintainer has been MIA for years now. He was part of the multimedia team, but left without warning quite some time ago. 😞a
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> Not even worth a bug in that case, sadly.
[20:42] <sudip> well, upstream still has the same spelling - https://github.com/kmatheussen/jack_capture/blob/master/README#L165
[20:42] <sudip> and the patch says its forwarded
[20:43] <Eickmeyer> I meant regarding the DEP-3 header, specifically.
[20:43] <Eickmeyer> sudip: Either way, uploaded. 😃
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: ^
[20:45] <sudip> thanks Eickmeyer. I will raise a PR to upstream, so if I am working on jack-capture next time, I will remember to update the patch and add dep3 also
[20:45] <Eickmeyer> Sounds good. I'm on the multimedia team too, but I'm not sure I want to step on any toes wrt that package.
[20:58] <sudip> Eickmeyer: fyi, https://github.com/kmatheussen/jack_capture/pull/54
[20:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Pull 54 in kmatheussen/jack_capture "Fix spelling error" [Open]
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> sudip: Yeah, I had no doubt the issue was forwarded upstream, the only thing I was missing (that lintian griped about) was the missing DEP-3 headers.
[21:00] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I see https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=falcosecurity-libs failing on all 32-bit arches. Maybe better to let it fail & be removed on armhf?
[21:01] <sudip> Eickmeyer: yeah, I understand. but I think upstream might have missed the mail with the patch. so this PR.
[21:01] <Eickmeyer> Ah, very good.
[22:14] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Why are you scared to @pilot in? It's a community effort too. :)
[22:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: And when's your next session? ;) ;)
[22:15] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Just ERR:NotMuchTimeToday
[22:15] <tsimonq2> *shrug* makes sense
[22:15] <Eickmeyer> Other fires too.
[22:16] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: ETA:<infinity symbol>
[22:16] <Eickmeyer> ♾ arraybolt3 ?
[22:16] <arraybolt3> I want to but there's a lot of work I'm buried under.
[22:16] <arraybolt3> So I don't know when the next time I'll be able to patch pilot is.
[22:17] <arraybolt3> Right now I'm fighting fires in multiple places, but thankfully it's all FOSS-related fires so I'm firmly plugged in :D
[22:17] <tsimonq2> I do think that's the case for many people right now, I'm *trying* to look at stuff for the LTS, and I get the general feeling I'm not alone.
[22:18] <tsimonq2> So for the record, if anyone sees my recent actions and is wondering, "why now?" - it's because LTS has been my focus.
[22:20] <arraybolt3> +1
[22:25] <tsimonq2> It's also social processes, not just technical ones. I do feel I owe a general apology for some of my brashness, that being said, I'm dialed in. :)
[22:27] <tsimonq2> Cross-posting here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/24-04-feature-freeze-and-transitions/41948 :)


[12:38] <cachio> brendand, hi, could you please top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-system-tests/mtp_refactoring_merge_and_bugfix/+merge/265084
[12:40] <brendand> cachio, yep was just waiting for rhuddie's ack
[12:40] <cachio> brendand, thanks
[12:40] <rhuddie> ah, yes i just approved that earlier
[13:24] <kenvandine> ubuntu-qa: since the change to use the OSK for text entry, we still can't get the ubuntu-system-settings tests to pass when running the full suite.  Running the tests individually pass reliably though
[13:25] <kenvandine> i'm not sure it's directly related to the change in AP to use the OSK, but it seemed to coincide
[13:25] <rhuddie> kenvandine, have you got some failure logs?
[13:26] <kenvandine> i get a different number of failures each time i run the full suite, but when running test failed tests individually they pass
[13:26] <kenvandine> vivid and wily
[13:26] <kenvandine> rhuddie, sure
[13:26] <kenvandine> http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/2881
[13:26] <kenvandine> that was a CI run for vivid
[13:26] <kenvandine> which included the fix we needed for dismissing the osk
[13:27] <kenvandine> and not all the failures actually enter text
[13:28] <kenvandine> rhuddie, i've hit a wall trying to figure it out...
[13:28] <rhuddie> kenvandine, just checking through the logs....
[13:28] <kenvandine> rhuddie, thx
[13:30] <kenvandine> ValueError: Object 'None' does not have any recognised position attributes
[13:30] <kenvandine> in get_center_point
[13:31] <kenvandine> rhuddie, the tests that produce that traceback all pass individually
[13:33] <rhuddie> kenvandine, that is weird. the osk is being shown, so its like its not finding where the required key is for some reason.
[13:33] <kenvandine> rhuddie, what's driving me crazy is that it passes fine individually, so not the test
[13:33] <kenvandine> but something gets in a bad state or something
[13:33] <kenvandine> rhuddie, same thing in wily and vivid
[13:34] <kenvandine> mako and krillin
[13:34] <rhuddie> kenvandine, yeah... that really makes it tough
[13:34] <kenvandine> rhuddie, anyway... i have no idea what else to do to debug this
[13:35] <kenvandine> rhuddie, btw, i'm running the ubuntu_keyboard tests right now and i assume it's going to fail
[13:35] <kenvandine> watching the UI, I see the OSK get raised and no keys pressed
[13:35] <kenvandine> over an over
[13:39] <rhuddie> kenvandine, it looks like a bug in the autopilot helpers for ubuntu_keyboard, although why it is happening i have no idea. for some reason it is passing a None object instead of the key to press
[13:39] <kenvandine> rhuddie, should i file a bug against ubuntu-keyboard?
[13:40] <kenvandine> i think since it works individually it's unlikely to be the helper
[13:40] <kenvandine> the helper clearly works...
[13:40] <kenvandine> just some state issue
[13:42] <rhuddie> kenvandine, its difficult to say where the problem is exactly. but the call stack seems to indicate that key object coming from ubuntu_keyboard helpers is None for some reason.
[13:42] <kenvandine> rhuddie, i just pointed Elleo at that in the other channel
[16:01] <DanChapman> dkessel: hey, sorry i've only just seen your email, (had a bit of a backlog to work through). I'll reply later this evening, got to go sort the kids dinner now
[16:03] <balloons> o/ DanChapman
[16:05] <DanChapman> hey balloons :-)
[16:05] <DanChapman> My apologies to you as well for my slow responses, it's been a busy few weeks
[16:07] <balloons> DanChapman, no worries at all. Nice to hear from you :-)
[17:46] <kenvandine> ubuntu-qa, the latest autopilot landing is missing a depends, which is now breaking autopkgtests in wily
[17:46] <kenvandine> i proposed a fix at https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/autopilot/depends_for_gsettings/+merge/265580
[17:46] <nuclearbob> kenvandine: I'll take a look at that mp now, thanks for bringing it up
[17:47] <kenvandine> nuclearbob, happy to help, it's holding up my landings :-D
[17:47] <kenvandine> nuclearbob, here's the log showing why it's needed http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Wily/view/AutoPkgTest/job/wily-adt-ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/68/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console
[17:48] <nuclearbob> kenvandine: yeah, the change makes sense to me, I'm going to look at what we need to get the release process going since I haven't done one in a while
[17:48] <kenvandine> nuclearbob, cool, thx!
[17:48] <nuclearbob> I think we may need a sign-off from another team for autopilot packaging changes as well, since they potentially affect a lot of archive landings, looking into that
[17:49] <alesage> kenvandine, you're not alone FWIW https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopilot/+bug/1477233
[17:50] <kenvandine> alesage, ah... i'll add the depends for the keyboard too :)
[17:52] <kenvandine> alesage, nuclearbob: pushed
[17:52] <nuclearbob> kenvandine: thanks!
[17:53] <kenvandine> np
[17:53] <kenvandine> autopilot is holding up a bunch of packages right now :/
[17:54] <alesage> we feel the urgency
[18:07] <jibel> nuclearbob, can you review the changes and prepare a release and veebers will top approve and land it
[18:08] <nuclearbob> jibel: the changes look good to me, but I'm not familiar with the process for preparing a release. Is it just requesting a silo for the train, or is there more involved? I'd like to get familiar with it so I can do this in the future
[18:09] <kenvandine> i tried to get the release team to migrate settings for me to help get me moving on to another silo... but they said to just push you guys to land autopilot faster :)
[18:09] <jibel> nuclearbob, 2 hours won't change the face of the world but do the release with him and make sure it's documented so next time it won't block on him.
[18:09] <nuclearbob> jibel: thanks, will do
[18:11] <jibel> kenvandine, understood. it'll be fixed ASAP but I prefer if veebers drives the landing so we don't waste more time.
[18:11] <kenvandine> sure
[18:11] <kenvandine> thanks guys!


[08:28] <alan_g> greyback: hi, good break?
[08:28] <greyback> alan_g: hi, yes, just not long enough :)
[08:29] <alan_g> Be careful what you wish for!
[08:29] <greyback> :D
[08:29] <alan_g> greyback: got time to take a look at this? https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/qtubuntu/use-mir-rs-api/+merge/321627
[08:30] <greyback> Sure
[16:39]  * alan_g hates it when he spends a day debugging test stubs! They shouldn't be so complicated!!
[16:43] <anpok_> hm


[10:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:59] <wxl> is it just me or is the hub running really slow?
[18:02] <czajkowski> hub ?
[18:03] <wxl> community.u.c


[06:00] <didrocks> good morning!
[08:56] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:57] <Trevinho> Hey didrocks, it looks like we're the last  Mohicans 😁
[14:08] <didrocks> Trevinho: anything planned for your holidays btw?
[16:54]  * didrocks waves good evening, good night and enjoy your holidays for those still around!
[18:23] <cyphermox> larsu: around?
[18:45] <cyphermox> Laney: ?
[18:54] <flocculant> cyphermox: https://media.giphy.com/media/O38dU2kkQ9sWc/giphy.gif
[18:54] <cyphermox> flocculant: indeed :)
[18:54] <flocculant> :)
[18:54] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:54] <flocculant> hi mdeslaur :)
[18:54] <mdeslaur> hi
[18:55] <cyphermox> mdeslaur: glad to see I'm not the only poor soul working now :)
[18:55] <flocculant> lol
[18:55] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: I'm not working :)
[18:55] <cyphermox> zomg
[18:55] <flocculant> ha ha
[18:55] <cyphermox> mdeslaur: then what are you doing online? ;)
[18:56] <flocculant> laughing it seems :p
[18:56] <mdeslaur> trying to resist the urge to click on random urls people paste :)
[18:57] <flocculant> lol
[18:57] <flocculant> I do apologise - only because I've stopped work now till Tuesday


[02:12] <kurac> yep
[02:17] <chikku> #ubuntu
[02:18] <chikku> ..
[06:31] <dholbach> good morning
[10:48] <Nano123> Is anyone else here?
[10:53] <Nano123> could Ubuntu ever overtake Windows or Mac as the main OS?
[10:58] <k1l> Nano123: this is the channel for the ubuntuonair hangouts. genereal chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:27] <Prajil> hi
[15:28] <Prajil> i used ubuntu 12.04 Lts
[15:28] <Prajil> i have a doubt about that so can anyone help me
[15:33] <Prajil> i used ubuntu 12.04 Lts based os but my wireless and bluetooth is not working
[15:33] <Prajil> i am using hp probook 4540s laptop


[00:15] <fluvvell> superm1, mrand and anyone else listening to my ramblings - I added a user via the tty console, and was able to log in with that. The ubuntu user will NOT let me log in (apart from via tty)
[00:17] <fluvvell> but only after adding the user to a group called nopasswdlogin
[00:17] <fluvvell> now I'm in, there is no way of configuring the network.  Honestly, was this disk ever tested???
[00:46] <superm1> fluvvell: when safe graphics mode kicks in (X server crashing) all bets are off on how things work
[00:46] <superm1> unfortunately
[00:46] <superm1> but it sounds like you are hitting more problems than most people would when this would happen
[00:47] <superm1> on the disk, at the boot menu, have you tried to just pick "Install Mythbuntu"?  It boots to a special X session that if the standard driver can't handle your hardware will fall back to VESA to let you install
[00:47] <superm1> usually that works for most people who hit issues
[00:53] <superm1> it does sound like you must have some fairly modern hardware if X is crashing and you can't seem to connect to the network at all
[00:58] <fluvvell> superm1, I don't actually want to install, just boot and test some hardware. I can get into an x session with all the mucking around I've done but still it seems broken, no access to Network tools on the desktop.  I need this to work to support a myth user who is 240Km away from me whose new card doesn't work properly in his 20.04 myth install
[00:59] <fluvvell> sorry 10.04
[01:00] <fluvvell> I have dual core AMD hardware and Nvidia 9600GT graphics card, its only a couple of years old
[01:42] <rhpot1991> 9600 should work just fine
[01:42] <rhpot1991> thats what I have
[01:42] <rhpot1991> fluvvell: try the "install" option just to see if it goes through
[01:43] <rhpot1991> also if he upgrades its a bit of a different process than what you are testing
[01:44] <fluvvell> rhpot1991, yeah nothing wrong with hardware.  I would but thats not the point, I am trying to solve an issue with a running 10.04 install that had a Tiivii 420 card added that did not show up. Our card supplier said "try booting with a newer distro to see if it detects it correctly"
[01:44] <fluvvell> unfortunately the machine is about 240Km away from me, I support by remote connection. But not with a live cd, with out a few tweaks and with this live cd? Yeah I'm in a bind
[01:45] <fluvvell> yeah its a different process, I agree. But if the upgrade goes wrong
[01:46] <fluvvell> Oh I'm repeating myself all over sorry.
[01:50] <rhpot1991> fluvvell: yep remote is hardthat way
[01:50] <rhpot1991> upgrade over ssh and hope
[01:52] <fluvvell> That is of course an option, I have done that a number of times. The plan was to test the card, then if it works on the newer os and kernel, do the upgrade. I might just try a different live myth disk
[01:52] <fluvvell> Does anyone feel like downloading the cd and test booting it somewhere?
[12:01] <dkam> hi guys - at some point my mythbuntu box stopped automatically starting X and mythfrontend - now I'm trying to get it going again.   Is the fronted normally run by the mythtv user?
[12:09] <dkam> Huh - thanks to the link to the forums, autologin now works, but mythfrontend isn't starting.
[12:17] <dkam> Looks like  lightdm isn't starting mythfrontend - any tips?
[12:33] <dkam> sshing in and "export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; mythfrontend &"  does the job - but how do I get mythfrontend to start by itself?


[07:59] <robitaille> @schedule us/pacific
[07:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for US/Pacific: 13 Apr 07:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 14:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 07:00: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 13:00: Dapper Development Status | 26 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu
[07:59] <robitaille> @topic
[08:00] <robitaille> @schedule us/pacific
[08:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for US/Pacific: 13 Apr 07:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 14:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 06:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 13:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 13:00: Technical Board
[09:57] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 13 Apr 17:00: Dapper Development Status | 19 Apr 00:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 15:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 16:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 23:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 23:00: Technical Board
[03:54] <mdz> everyone here?
[03:54] <pitti> heya
[03:55] <Kamion> Kinnison called me to say that he may not make it due to networking problems
[03:55] <Kamion> (here, obviously)
[03:56] <mdz> fabbione,Keybuk,mvo,doko,infinity,Riddell,Mithrandir,iwj,ogra: ping
[03:56] <mdz> I think some folks may be on  vacation; I don't have a list handy
[03:57] <Kamion> iwj and fabbione both are
[03:57] <pitti> infinity already left, too
[03:57] <BenC> mdz: pong
[03:57] <mdz> BenC: saw you come in ;-)
[03:57] <BenC> ok :)
[03:57] <ogra> hey, still 3 mins to go :)
[03:58] <doko> mdz here
[03:58] <JaneW> is everyone here?
[03:58] <JaneW> I have apologies for 4 ppl fabbione, infinity, Mithrandir and iwj
[03:59] <mdz> JaneW: can you forward those to me in advance when you receive them? would save a  bit of time
[03:59] <mdz> still expecting Keybuk and Riddell
[03:59] <Riddell> hi mdz
[03:59] <JaneW> mdz: sure
[03:59] <JaneW> mdz: should I do so now?
[03:59] <mdz> JaneW: sure, thanks
[03:59] <JaneW> mdz: I have no update from iwj though
[04:00] <JaneW> gah phones are ringing...
[04:00] <JaneW> hi Kinnison
[04:01] <Kinnison> Hi, I'm back
[04:01] <Kinnison> blasted pobox
[04:01] <Kamion> just in time
[04:01] <Kinnison> aye
[04:02] <mdz> texted Keybuk, let's get started
[04:02] <mdz> seb128: ready?
[04:02] <Riddell> mdz: I think kwwii will have a report too
[04:02] <seb128> This week: GNOME 2.14.1, some bug triage, patches review, fixed a bunch of issues on the desktop
[04:02] <seb128> .
[04:02] <seb128> next week: keep triaging bugs and fixes issues on the desktop, trying candidates for dapper beta CD
[04:03] <mdz> is 2.14.1 done, or is there more to go?
[04:03] <pitti> hey Keybuk
[04:03] <seb128> mdz: still gdm to upload, out of that it's done
[04:03] <mdz> great
[04:03] <mdz> seb128: any bugs which should be on the radar for beta/
[04:03] <mdz> ?
[04:03] <seb128> no, no blocker
[04:03] <seb128> rather a list of annoyances which would be nice to fix for dapper
[04:04] <seb128> but no stopper
[04:04] <mdz> ok, if you come across any (for beta or final), go ahead and set a 6.06 milestone so that I see it
[04:04] <seb128> I've used milestone quite often in fact
[04:04] <mdz> ok
[04:05] <seb128> but I use it as a "we should look at that for dapper"
[04:05] <seb128> not "we have to fix it"
[04:05] <mdz> I've used it for both nice to fix and for blockers
[04:05] <doko> mdz: milestones for RC reports only?
[04:05] <mdz> we can distinguish by severity I suppose
[04:05] <seb128> right
[04:05] <mdz> doko: I see it as a sort of "relevant to the release" tag at this point, so it's more than just RC
[04:06] <mdz> also small stuff which may not be a showstopper, but should definitely be looked at for the release
[04:06] <doko> ok
[04:06] <mdz> e.g., cosmetic issues which are easy to fix but might otherwise be forgotten
[04:06] <mdz> thanks seb128
[04:06] <mdz> Riddell: next?
[04:06] <Riddell> done: KDE Espresso
[04:06] <Riddell> also: fixes to kpdf, kaffeine, openoffice. testing CUPS and kdeprint
[04:06] <Riddell> blocked: anyone want to help me get scim/skim working so can test doko's fix on amd64?
[04:06] <Riddell> todo: kde espresso: add map widget page, quite a few fixes to qt parted.  looking good for beta release
[04:07] <Riddell> s/page//, the page is fine, it's just missing a pretty map
[04:07] <mdz> Riddell: I need for you to spend some solid time in malone before beta, to check for bugs which may need attention for beta
[04:08] <Riddell> mdz: I agree but so far I've treated espresso as my priority
[04:08] <mdz> right, if it's in good functional shape for  beta, the polish can wait until after beta
[04:09] <mdz> the rest of the system needs attention also
[04:09] <mdz> if there is someone we can recruit to help you with that, talk with me
[04:09] <Riddell> true, I'll try and get espresso into a shape I'm happy with by end of tomorrow so I can do bug fixes next week
[04:09] <Riddell> help with bugs or espresso?
[04:10] <mdz> but the bug list is huge and I'm concerned there may be some surprises lurking there
[04:10] <mdz> Riddell: either way, to get more attention on bugs
[04:10] <mdz> Riddell: mvo has familiarized himself with scim and may be able to help there
[04:11] <Riddell> people with kubuntu, debconf and pykde knowledge are very rare.  bug fixers I can think of though
[04:11] <mvo> Riddell: can we talk about scim/skim after the meeting?
[04:11] <mdz> Riddell: ok, thanks
[04:11] <Riddell> mvo: sure, please
[04:11] <mvo> Riddell: it should work (after the latest uploads) out of the box on kubuntu again
[04:12] <Kamion> I expect the level of debconf knowledge required now is a bit less than was required when we were building the infrastructure
[04:12] <mdz> kwwii: Riddell mentioned that you might have something prepared to present here?
[04:12] <kwwii> mdz: yepp, might not be so impressive, but here goes
[04:12] <kwwii> I have touched up the wallpaper (made it a bit lighter) and am working on a color scheme to fit well with the new wallpaper.
[04:12] <kwwii> Finishing work on new buttons for the window decoration
[04:12] <kwwii> My goal for next week for Kubuntu is to finish all three of these things, since they rely so heavily on another, and get them packaged so that they can be tested.
[04:12] <kwwii> After that I'll touch up the KDM theme to match (2 buttons, bg color, etc.)
[04:13] <Riddell> (kwwii is Ken Wimer, doing the Kubuntu Dapper artwork and some ubuntu artwork for those who don't know)
[04:13] <kwwii> in addition to all that, we need to finish the Usplash stuff for *buntu
[04:13] <mdz> kwwii: with a goal of having them in place for beta?
[04:13] <kwwii> mdz: when exaclty is the deadline? but, yes, that was my idea
[04:14] <mdz> kwwii: we'll start rolling candidates on Tuesday
[04:14] <kwwii> cool, I should have something by then
[04:14] <kwwii> all up to the kdm theme, unless I get a lot of time on the weekend :-)
[04:14] <ogra> kwwii, are you also responsible for the edubuntu artwork ?
[04:15] <mdz> kwwii: I don't know if Jane or Mark already discussed this wih you, but we'd like to have the text 'beta' sprinkled around so that it shows up in press screenshots, etc., and avoids confusion about the nature of this release
[04:15] <kwwii> mdz: great idea, I will add that to the pic
[04:15] <mdz> kwwii: usplash, login background, login splash, etc., the stuff which is likely to be screenshotted
[04:16] <mdz> kwwii: great, thanks
[04:16] <kwwii> ogra: not responsible, no, but I have talked to some people to try and help a bit :-)
[04:16] <mdz> pitti: next?
[04:16] <kwwii> mdz: who can tell me what info is corret?
[04:16] <kwwii> wait!
[04:16] <kwwii> pone second
[04:16] <kwwii>  :-)
[04:16] <kwwii> one
[04:16] <JaneW> kwwii: that would be nice if we could get some edubuntu help
[04:16] <kwwii> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Usplash/Artwork
[04:16] <kwwii> is that info right?
[04:16] <mdz> kwwii: we have a very tight time table for this meeting and 17 people need to present; we can't spend more than a few minutes with anyone
[04:17] <kwwii> JaneW: cool, I'll do what I can
[04:17] <mdz> kwwii: I'll look at it after the meeting, ok?
[04:17] <kwwii> mdz: ok, sorry
[04:17] <kwwii> mdz: sure, thanks :-)
[04:17] <mdz> pitti: ?
[04:17] <pitti> reducing-duplication: got rid of some gtk1.2 dependencies, but some are still there; no other progress
[04:17] <pitti> general stuff done this week:
[04:17] <pitti>  * security updates
[04:17] <pitti>  * bug triage and bug fixing
[04:17] <pitti>  * cupsys: had much fun with preparing 1.2rc2 packages, requested testing them on u-devel before asking to put it into dapper; also improved cooperation with Debian a lot to reduce our delta and maintain it sanely in revision control now; my plan is to get this into dapper ASAP and then fix the remaining bugs in 1.2rc2 to get help from upstream
[04:17] <pitti>  * KDE printing: got a friend of mine to look into the issue; he found a number of issues in kdeprint which break stuff; sent a preliminary patch to Riddell to make printing with our cups work at all, more stuff to come
[04:17] <pitti>  * new language packs
[04:17] <pitti>  * espresso testing (I declare myself as Kamion's official test suite - if it will finally work for me, it must work everywhere :) )
[04:17] <pitti> plan for next week:
[04:17] <pitti>  * huge security update: ffox 1.0.8 and friends; iwj agreed to help me with that
[04:17] <pitti>  * making baby jesus cry harder about cups and its bugs
[04:17] <pitti>  * attempt to fix some long-standing ALSA related bugs
[04:17] <pitti>  * look into other bugs (dhcp3 needs some love, too)
[04:17] <pitti>  * catch up with bug triage
[04:18] <mdz> pitti: did you and iwj look at gs?
[04:18] <pitti> mdz: not yet, sorry; I was just swamped
[04:18] <mdz> no worries
[04:18] <pitti> mdz: your idea is to get rid of gs-gpl and just keep -esp or so?
[04:18] <mdz> pitti: please wait until after beta freeze for the new cups unless there are showstopper bugs for beta
[04:19] <pitti> mdz: wrt kde and printing, would you be fine if that friend of mine claims the bounty if he fixes some stuff?
[04:19] <mdz> pitti: only if we arrange in advance; there is no posted bounty
[04:19] <pitti> mdz: yes, of course; I thought I have the new cups tested for some days, and upload it right after beta release
[04:20] <mdz> pitti: ok, you did say ASAP ;-)
[04:20] <pitti> mdz: sure, we'll prepare a writeup
[04:20] <mdz> pitti: how do the numbers look on the new langpacks?
[04:20] <pitti> mdz: yes, I don't consider it a good idea to upload it for beta :)
[04:20] <mdz> are the rosetta exports more complete?
[04:20] <pitti> mdz: still merging with my buildd data; rosetta still lags, mainly wrt KDE
[04:21] <mdz> pitti: please find out from carlos if we can get better exports for beta
[04:21] <pitti> mdz: a bit, but not significantly still around 30% coverage
[04:21] <pitti> yep, will do
[04:21] <mdz> ok, thanks pitti
[04:21] <mdz> ogra: next?
[04:21] <ogra> * general:  g-s-s flickering hunted down and fixed. worked on the ltsp-client-builder.udeb progress reporting (sadly the fifo lets ltsp-build-client die, i'm still investigating, seems the frontend is to slow). further edubuntu and ltsp doc stuff. more small bugs killed. cleaning up malone from fixed but unclosed bugs on my list
[04:21] <ogra> * next-week: bughunt. getting edubuntu and ltsp documentation into the default edubuntu install. still waiting for artwork from the design company. making the last changes to ltsp and the ltsp-client-builder.udeb (i.e. making dhcpd.conf not a conffile to not break on upgrades). final xscreensaver stuff. preparing edubuntu for beta release
[04:22] <mdz> ltsp-client-builder progress reporting?
[04:22] <mdz> was that part of a feature speC?
[04:22] <ogra> nope, thats was a leftover from breezy
[04:22] <ogra> currently the progressbar has only 3 steps
[04:23] <ogra> i can leave it like that, doesnt hurt, but i'd prefer to have it proper for dapper
[04:23] <mdz> what's involved?
[04:23] <ogra> having a proper fifo pipe from ltsp-build-client to the UI
[04:23] <mdz> ack
[04:23] <mdz> that's pre-featurefreeze sort of stuff
[04:23] <ogra> apparently the pipe dies before the reading starts
[04:24] <mdz> please defer to post-dapper and concentrate on bugs
[04:24] <ogra> i'll do it anyway in the devel branch, if you dont want it in, we can postpone, as i said its only ugly
[04:24] <ogra> ok
[04:25] <mdz> ogra: who is your contact for the edubuntu artwork? silbs?
[04:25] <ogra> yep
[04:25] <mdz> and she doesn't return until tuesday, hrm
[04:25] <ogra> i had a preview of the artwork and adjusted the other ui elements accordingly
[04:25] <mdz> she said she could accept calls, though, I'll try her
[04:25] <ogra> but then she said they would probably change the whole colouring, which i'm not really fond of
[04:26] <mdz> ogra: any beta blocker bugs for edubuntu, ensure that they have a 6.06 milestone set
[04:26] <ogra> sine then i havent heard anything
[04:26] <mdz> ogra: I'll call her
[04:26] <JaneW> but we weren;t really given a date for the final stuff...
[04:26] <JaneW> beyond the deadlines
[04:26] <ogra> no blockers
[04:26] <mdz> ogra: including any which turn up over the next days ;-)
[04:26] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[04:26] <ogra> :)
[04:26] <mdz> mvo: next?
[04:27] <mvo> Did:
[04:27] <mvo> - update-manager updates (added --check-dist-upgrades), various bugfixes
[04:27] <mvo> - gksu/update-manager breezy-backport uploaded, fixing a few remarks from kamion (will upload again right after the meeting)
[04:27] <mvo> - CJK+thai work (input methods uploads, ff with better libthai support)
[04:27] <mvo> - fixed some startup-notifcation releated problems
[04:27] <mvo> - general bugtriage + bugfixing (notitication-daemon size-miscacluations, gksu passes http_proxy on now, etc)
[04:27] <mvo> Will do:
[04:27] <mvo> - more bugfixing/bug triage (still lacking behind)
[04:27] <mvo> - dist-upgrade tool work (make it more robust)
[04:27] <mvo> - looking into the state of apt (open patches etc)
[04:27] <mvo> Blocked:
[04:27] <mvo> - sysadmin setup for the auto-dist-upgrade
[04:27] <mdz> mvo: please prepare instructions for doing a breezy->dapper upgrade using the tool, for inclusion in the beta release announcement
[04:27] <mdz> mvo: we'll do a major call for upgrade testing there
[04:28] <mvo> mdz: ok, it's just "update-manager -d"
[04:28] <mvo> but I'll write up something more appropriate
[04:28] <mdz> mvo: speaking of startup-notification, espresso really needed that the last time I looked
[04:28] <mdz> it takes a long time to load from the live CD and there was no feedback
[04:28] <mvo> mdz: ok, I can talk to kamion about it
[04:28] <mdz> thanks
[04:28] <mvo> cheers
[04:29] <JaneW> Mithrandir
[04:29] <JaneW> misc: vacation, polished the live cds, fixing bugs in casper, bug
[04:29] <JaneW>  triage on xkb problems, other general bug triage. Started
[04:29] <JaneW>  looking at popcon
[04:29] <JaneW> next week: more vacation, fix popcon, beta release
[04:29] <JaneW> blocked: no
[04:29] <mdz> ok
[04:29] <mdz> is he on holiday?
[04:29] <JaneW> yes today, fri and monday
[04:29] <JaneW> he was working this morning though
[04:30] <mdz> ok, back tues
[04:30] <mdz> thanks
[04:30] <mdz> Kinnison: online?
[04:30] <Kinnison> yep
[04:31] <Kinnison> gnome-power-manager: Preparing 2.14.1 (bugfixes from upstream), not finished it yet
[04:31] <Kinnison> launchpad: Got test suite merged for soyuz upload checks. Helped cprov track down issue with duplicated origs. Manually got python-vte into main in breezy-updates. (solves the immediate issue in 36022). Got dist-upgrader signing merged.
[04:31] <Kinnison> publisher: d-i pocket support is done, I need to get it merged.
[04:31] <Kinnison> general: Lots of bug work on random bugs assigned to me. Various uploads made to correct as many of them as I can.
[04:31] <Kinnison> lp-ongoing: Merge d-i pocket support (trivial). Finish the resolution of the duplicated orig.tar.gzs, need to talk with Kamion about this once I have the info.
[04:31] <Kinnison> distro-ongoing: Still need to try and resolve gparted ui bug. Continue squashing the bugs handed to me in general. Get g-p-m 2.14.1 in and continue finding cherrypicks for upstream.
[04:31] <Kinnison> bug-status: I have a large buglist for gnome-power-manager which could do with some serious love. Hopefully I'll have a block of time to dedicate to this next week.
[04:31] <Kinnison> [end]
[04:32] <mdz> when is the next bug day? today? tomorrow?
[04:32] <seb128> today
[04:32] <Kamion> any particular gparted UI bug, or do you mean the UI bug called gparted? :-)
[04:32] <mdz> Kinnison: ubuntu-laptop would be a good theme for a bug day, though it'll have to be after beta
[04:32] <Kinnison> Kamion: "the ui bug" is the "not refreshing properly" one
[04:32] <Kamion> ah yes
[04:32] <Kinnison> mdz: Aye it would.
[04:32] <Kinnison> dholbach: can you and I talk about that?
[04:32] <mdz> Kinnison: coordinate with dholbach on that
[04:32] <dholbach> i'll prepare an announce for next time
[04:33] <mdz> ;-)
[04:33] <mdz> dholbach: what's today's theme?
[04:33] <dholbach> KERNEL HUGS!
[04:33] <mdz> how is that working out?
[04:33] <dholbach> there has been some clean up going on, but people were a bit uncoordinated due to lack of kernel people
[04:33] <mdz> are people basically working from the kernel team's +subscribedbugs?
[04:33] <dholbach> old needsinfo bugs were cleaned out this morning
[04:34] <dholbach> +packagebugs is a bit more comprehensive
[04:34] <dholbach> i hope all the kernel guys pop in soon and give directions
[04:34] <Seveas> urgh, so far I failed to attend all hug days
[04:35] <ogra> Seveas, there are bugs between the hugdays ;)
[04:35] <dholbach> #ubuntu-bugs now! everybody! :-)
[04:35] <BenC> I didn't know you needed any one :)
[04:35] <mdz> BenC: now that we have daytime in the US, please spend time there
[04:35] <mdz> should be a great opportunity to get help asking for more info on bugs, and trying to confirm
[04:36] <mdz> Kinnison: thanks
[04:36] <mdz> Keybuk: next?
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * lots of bug fixing
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * have rookery finding packages relying on /var/run/* and /var/lock/*; as well as using obsolete directories like /etc/hotplug
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * doing main uploads to fix those myself, and going to do a mass-filing on universe
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * started ftp admin work after getting lessons from colin
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * dpkg 2 docs
[04:36] <BenC> yeah, so far the help has been really great
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * bad bug found in udev that should be fixed before release: calls ifup with the old interface name after renaming it
[04:36] <BenC> the trivial bugs is what is slowing me down
[04:36] <mdz> BenC: trivial impact or trivial to fix?
[04:37] <mdz> BenC: for the former, downgrade them and prioritize the rest
[04:37] <BenC> it's the perusing of those trivial bugs that slows me down
[04:37] <BenC> I still have to read them :)
[04:37] <mdz> Keybuk: is the /var/run search still running?
[04:37] <Kamion> Keybuk: I'd appreciate help on the openssh bug about /var/run - it seems to be real (had several reports now), and might only happen during the upgrade, so might be an upgrade ordering bug
[04:38] <Kamion> Keybuk: bug 38921 et al
[04:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38921 in openssh openssh-server "Breezy->dapper upgrade missing /var/run/sshd" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38921
[04:38] <Keybuk> mdz: no, I have a list for that one now
[04:38] <Keybuk> Kamion: ok, I'll look into that for you
[04:38] <Kamion> thanks
[04:38] <Kamion> AFAICT the init script is sane
[04:39] <mdz> Keybuk: please also search malone for any /var/run bugs which haven't been tended yet...unfortunately I think the quirks of malone searching make that tricky right now, maybe confer with #launchpad
[04:39] <Keybuk> mdz: all the easy fixes have been uploaded, there's a small few which don't have init scripts but rely on /var/run subdirs
[04:40] <Seveas> Keybuk, should you be subscribed to all /ver/run bugs?
[04:40] <mdz> cf. bug #29227
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29227 in malone "Searching for "pmu" doesn't find "/dev/pmu"" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29227
[04:40] <mdz> the full text indexing breaks up words in unexpected ways sometimes
[04:41] <Keybuk> Seveas: if they're in main, yes
[04:41] <mdz> indeed
[04:41] <mdz> Keybuk: what's the bug# for the udev issue, and is its milestone set?
[04:42] <Keybuk> milestone is set
[04:42] <mdz> ok, I'll see it then
[04:42] <mdz> thanks Keybuk
[04:42] <mdz> Kamion: next?
[04:42] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-base-system: Keyboard selection now propagated to installed system. choose-mirror/apt-setup done. Selected country propagated to locale selection. I'm calling this implemented now.
[04:42] <Keybuk> ubuntu 38787
[04:42] <Kamion> ue-gnome-ui: Now displays selected country. Hostname defaults improved per discussion at UI sprint. I believe the only thing remaining in this specification is getting a reasonable icon; I've asked the art team for help with that.
[04:42] <Keybuk> bug 38787 even :)
[04:42] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Belatedly marked implemented; had been wrongly marked as awaiting deployment for a while.
[04:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38787 in udev "add action uses wrong interface name in 85-ifupdown.rules" [Major,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38787
[04:42] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-bootloader: Tested and fixed yaboot support. Espresso now finally works on powerpc (after I make today's upload)! Implemented.
[04:42] <Kamion> ubuntu-express: Fixed debconf to notice write errors when saving its databases, which totally wedged espresso if the live CD ran out of memory and was probably the underlying cause of a lot of database corruption bugs.
[04:42] <Kamion> server-candy: Added preseeded kernel override facility to base-installer, which should keep Fabio happy. :-)
[04:42] <Kamion> misc: Uploaded Thai console support patches. Fixed up oem-config a bit so that it at least vaguely works again, but I need to allocate some time post-beta to clean this up some more.
[04:42] <Kamion> next-week: If I have time before beta, I want to fix espresso's reboot step, clean up a few strings, and possibly execute the proposed rename to ubiquity. Vacation from Friday to Tuesday inclusive. Beta preparation on Wednesday and Thursday.
[04:43] <mdz> Kamion: sounds like things are coming together for beta
[04:44] <Kamion> yeah, it's not too bad, still concerned about some partitioning bugs but I think general fixes I've made may have cleared up more of those than is immediately obvious
[04:44] <Kamion> worst problem is basically poor error handling in places
[04:44] <mdz> my primary UI concern the last time I used espresso was that there are several points where there is a lag between the user action and the completion of drawing the next page
[04:45] <mdz> is it possible to get a busy cursor from the time the button is clicked until, e.g. the list of languages is filled?
[04:45] <Kamion> yeah, tricky to fix but I agree that should be addressed for release
[04:45] <Kamion> that should be possible, I just don't want to rock that boat for beta now
[04:45] <mdz> ok. startup-notification would also make a big difference there
[04:45] <Kamion> I may be able to get a busy cursor in places but not completely
[04:45] <mdz> right, agreed
[04:45] <ogra> you can also do ugly things with gtktimeout and gtk_main iteration to keep it "fake responsive"
[04:45] <Kamion> should I do the ubiquity rename before beta or after?
[04:45] <ogra> as a last resort
[04:46] <Kamion> ogra: it's not a UI thread being blocked problem
[04:46] <ogra> ah, k
[04:46] <Kamion> (i.e. is Mark going to turn up on Wednesday and say "why didn't you rename it?" :-))
[04:46] <mdz> is it really that common to run out of space on the live CD? are people using it on low-memory systems?
[04:46] <mdz> Kamion: after beta, please ;-)
[04:46] <Kamion> the tmpfs is only half of memory so it's easy enough if you're doing other stuff
[04:47] <ogra> define low memory :)
[04:47] <mdz> Kamion: if that does happen, please refer him to me
[04:47] <ogra> there are people running the liveCD on 256M
[04:47] <Kamion> happens to me a fair bit when building espresso on the live CD and then running it
[04:47] <Kamion> mdz: ok, thanks
[04:47] <Kamion> (with 512MB of memory)
[04:47] <mdz> thanks Kamion
[04:47] <mdz> JaneW: no note from iwj, right?
[04:47] <JaneW> nope
[04:48] <mdz> infinity?
[04:48] <JaneW> sy fixes have been uploaded, there's a small few which don't have init scripts but rely on /var/run subdirs
[04:48] <JaneW> Seveas Keybuk, should you be subscribed to all /ver/run bugs?
[04:48] <JaneW> oops sorry wrong paste
[04:48] <JaneW> infinity
[04:48] <JaneW> last week buildd: Continued hunting down build failures, got elmo to set up dapper-autotest, which should light up shortly. Investigated some livefs speedups, and livefs build issues on ia64.
[04:48] <JaneW> last week distro: Finished off the mysqlclient transition, including resolving several new build failures, uploaded a glibc with some bugfixes, did some X bugfixing and triaging, new NVIDIA drivers, new Samba.
[04:48] <JaneW> next week buildd: Babysit dapper-autotest and start fixing build failures and/or filing bugs, get livefs up to speed on all architectures in time for beta.
[04:48] <JaneW> next week distro: Get in some critical bugfixes before beta for initramfs-tools, and scrape some Thunderbird branding (been fighting with this off and on) in just under the UI freeze wire.
[04:49] <JaneW> and I have fabbione's too
[04:49] <JaneW> fabbione
[04:49] <JaneW> server-candy: Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup" and kernel -server as default from CD install. Big cleanup of the install CD's.
[04:49] <JaneW> * ubuntu-cluster: Fixed one pending bug. No other progresses.
[04:49] <JaneW> * last week: bug squashing.
[04:49] <JaneW> * next week: bug squashing.
[04:49] <mdz> ok
[04:49] <Kamion> fabbione's server-candy blocked list is out of date; see my report
[04:50] <mdz> fabio emailed that earlier in the week I think
[04:50] <mdz> thanks JaneW
[04:50] <Seveas> (there are new ati drivers, infinity will be thrilled about all bugreports to come</sarcasm>)
[04:50] <mdz> heno: next?
[04:50] <heno>  * winfoss: started work on the kubuntu version. It needs a distinct look and some new apps. See: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/winfoss/dapper/kubuntu/
[04:50] <heno>  * accessibility: Tested the newly landed setting on the Live CD today. Some configurations still need some adjustment.
[04:50] <heno>  * xorg: triaging bugs. Got help from Seveas to prepare a script that simplifies the collection of debugging info, esp. on Live CDs
[04:51] <mdz> Kamion: are we already equipped for different winfoss for kubuntu, as far as building CD images?
[04:51] <Riddell> heno: looking nice there
[04:51] <mdz> I didn't realize that was in the works
[04:51] <Riddell> mdz: yes, that happened in breezy
[04:51] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[04:51] <heno> mdz: we've done that each time so far
[04:51] <mdz> shows how often I've put a kubuntu CD into a windows machine ;-)
[04:51] <Riddell> heno: I should give you the version of the logo we're using in dapper
[04:51] <Keybuk> "what's a kubuntu CD?" :)
[04:51] <Kamion> heno: send me a mail with the URL when it's ready, please
[04:51] <heno> Riddell: cool, thanks
[04:51] <JaneW> Keybuk: I have one
[04:52] <heno> Kamion: right
[04:52] <mdz> heno: I've been subscribing the accessibility team to a11y bugs as I come across them
[04:52] <Riddell> heno: did you look at scribus and speedcrunch?
[04:52] <mdz> they are starting to become more common now that the work is more visible
[04:52] <heno> mdz: good, yes I get those
[04:52] <heno> Riddell: only briefly
[04:52] <heno> Riddell: but the plan is to include them, yes
[04:52] <mdz> heno: is fabio going to get that script added to the packages?
[04:53] <heno> mdz: the sript is just something the users download to collect debug info
[04:53] <kwwii> heno: I could give you the new version of the logo I made for dapper, for those winfoss screens
[04:53] <heno> no need to include it anywhere
[04:53] <mdz> heno: it would be even more efficient if it were in the package and they only needed to run it...something to talk with fabio about
[04:53] <Seveas> mdz, I hope not - it's not ready for that yet
[04:54] <mdz> heno: thanks
[04:54] <mdz> doko: next?
[04:54] <doko> - openoffice.org: dapper: waiting for removal of rosetta data before next upload, breezy backport builds now, needs packaging adjustments. 5 new OOo locales integrated, bug fixes.
[04:54] <doko> - toolchain-ng: no progress
[04:54] <doko> - font: made the Nimbus family an alias for the Adobe standard families again
[04:54] <doko> - printing: cupsys fixes, new ppd layout, updates of driver packages, bug fixes, currently pending approval: foomatic-filters-ppds, foomatic-db-hpijs, hplip.
[04:54] <doko> - other: bug fixes in mcpp, xrdb, fontforge, toolchain, some syncs.
[04:54] <doko> - got a pointer from debian-printing to attend #printing-summit on irc, very short note (seems to be a meeting every six months, this time in Atlanta, interesting things: have a printing gui independent of a toolkit, ppd reorganization)
[04:54] <heno> people were reporting crashed X on the live CD and then were stuck in how to get the files uploaded
[04:54] <doko> - some support stuff with mdy and elmo
[04:54] <doko> - blocked: OOo, printing upgrades, toolchain-ng
[04:54] <mdz> doko: removal of rosetta data?
[04:54] <doko> - plan for next week: have all printing packages updated to let people test with recent printer descriptions
[04:54] <doko> - OOo uploads, OOo breezy build
[04:55] <mdz> doko: any feedback on the font change?  have you searched for relevant bugs in malone?
[04:55] <doko> mdz: same thing as last week, we need to kill all OOo imports, and the start again
[04:55] <doko> mdz: just one per #irc for now
[04:55] <mdz> doko: go ahead with foomatic-filters-ppds and foomatic-db-hpijs
[04:55] <mdz> doko: remind me about hplip after beta
[04:55] <doko> mdz: ok, what about hplip 0.9.7?
[04:56] <mdz> I don't want to change it during beta freeze unless there is a blocker for beta
[04:56] <mdz> I'll more easily find time to test it after beta
[04:57] <doko> well, it works, not just for me, but anyway
[04:57] <mdz> doko: is carlos handling the rosetta stuff?
[04:57] <doko> mdz: stub and carlos, yes
[04:57] <mdz> doko: yes, I understand, but we are in beta freeze
[04:58] <mdz> doko: is there an ETA?  are any of the blocked ooo changes targeting beta?
[04:58] <doko> mdz: it would be nice to have translations from rosetta in a -l10n build
[04:58] <mdz> ok, thanks doko
[04:58] <mdz> dholbach: next?
[04:58] <dholbach> icon-mission: regular updates to tangerine, wrote another call for help to ubuntu-art - looks good; Mark pinged Dave about Icons Tuesday - will compile a list of bugs against the icons for him
[04:58] <dholbach> bugs: HUG DAY today, introduced weekly bug goals for the Desktop Team, (with the help of volunteers and upstream people) we start catching up slowly, although it's a daily battle to stay on top and lots of old bugs need cleaning and updating
[04:58] <dholbach> universe: announced ssl (0.9.{7,8}) transition,  will mass-file bugs (for unmet dependencies as well), to have a list and good overview
[04:58] <dholbach> this week (done): gnome 2.14.1, bug triage, hug day
[04:58] <dholbach> this week (todo): bug triage, hug day
[04:59] <dholbach> next week: bug triage, cd testing, universe lists
[04:59] <mdz> a reminder, everyone should be participating in bug days at this point in the release
[05:00] <dholbach> mdz: shall we switch to weekly bug days now?
[05:00] <mdz> most of you are primarily working on bugs anyway, and doing this within the context of a bug day helps others learn to help as well
[05:00] <JaneW> dholbach: yes, I think so...
[05:00] <dholbach> normally i'd do them every two weeks
[05:00] <mdz> dholbach: possibly, if we can avoid conflicting with milestone releases
[05:00] <dholbach> ok
[05:00] <dholbach> i'll talk to Kinnison about the next one
[05:00] <mdz> we'll get better participation from the full team if there isn't a flight going on at the same time
[05:00] <dholbach> and get all the laptop testers reactivated
[05:01] <JaneW> dholbach: can we do them mid-week?
[05:01] <mdz> thanks dholbach
[05:01] <mdz> BenC: last up
[05:01] <BenC> Kernel bugs: Sifting through them still. Finally have some outside help going through the trivial bugs (closing old inactive ones, finding dupes, requesting testing with latest kernels, etc). Should be caught up and settled down to the critical bugs by next week.
[05:01] <dholbach> JaneW: why mid-week? - I always thought friday was good choice.
[05:01] <mdz> BenC: any beta-relevant bugs on your list?
[05:02] <BenC> nothing that's a showstopper for beta, no
[05:02] <JaneW> dholbach: the distro team is tired on a friday, they want to wrap up their week and would rather do this during the week
[05:02] <mdz> ok, we're over time already
[05:02] <mdz> thanks BenC
[05:02] <JaneW> dholbach: that's the feedback I have got
[05:02] <dholbach> JaneW: ok... everybody ok with laptop hugs on wednesday?
[05:03] <mdz> I'll be off the rest of today, but reachable by phone
[05:03] <mdz> and will likely check email in the evening
[05:03] <Kinnison> dholbach: fine by me
[05:03] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[05:03] <mdz> adjourned
[05:03] <pitti> thanks guys
[05:03] <BenC> bye everyone
[05:03] <dholbach> thanks
[05:03] <pitti> and girl :)
[05:03] <BenC> thanks mdz
[05:03] <ogra> thanks
[05:03] <dholbach> Kinnison: ok :)
[05:03] <JaneW> pitti: thanks
[05:03] <mdz> JaneW: !
[05:04] <JaneW> heh
[05:04] <ogra> heh
[05:04] <dholbach> JaneW: have fun!
[05:04] <Seveas> JaneW, tell him we said hi ;)
[05:04] <pitti> JaneW: have fun!
[05:04] <ogra> mdz, you dont read her blog eh ?
[05:04] <JaneW> Seveas: will do
[05:04] <JaneW> ogra: stop right there!
[05:04] <Keybuk> ogra: her blog isn't on Planet
[05:04] <ogra> *giggle*
[05:04] <ogra> Keybuk, i know
[05:04] <Seveas> JaneW, paradise by the dashboard light?
[05:05] <ogra> Keybuk, its only for the enlightened people she gives access :)
[05:05] <pitti> Seveas: wasn't that Meat Loaf?
[05:05] <Seveas> pitti, "Stop right There"
[05:05] <Seveas> immediately thought about that song
[05:06] <JaneW> ok bye, happy easter and passover and whatever else is happening around this time
[05:06] <pitti> lots of partying...
[05:06] <ogra> bughunting :P
[05:07] <Seveas> any python guru around who can tell me in a few lines how to upload a file with urllib2?
[05:07] <pitti> getting older :)
[05:07] <ogra> Seveas, there is code in popcon iirc ...
[05:08] <Seveas> *hug*
[05:08] <Seveas> how does hwdb-client upload? Huge form?
[05:11] <sivang> sorry for being late, it's a public holiday in .IL and I had to be offline for a bit.
[05:12] <ogra> Seveas, a stupid cgi and no urllib usage


[06:44] <Hund> Mors
[09:27] <luna_> Time for the yearly apt talk in 2 minutes: https://debconf18.debconf.org/schedule/venue/2/


[00:02] <tarpman> setting a password (passwd as root) is probably all you need to do, then
[00:03] <grendal_prime> guys i got this situation where one of my linux guests locks up...takes up an entire processor.
[00:03] <Tsutsukakushi> tarpman: this has to be non-interactive...
[00:03] <tarpman> Tsutsukakushi: man 8 chpasswd
[00:04] <grendal_prime> its used as a wedge device to connect users of on a smart phone to a java application Linux mint desktop.
[00:04] <Tsutsukakushi> apparently --delete should remove any value... maybe this includes the lock too
[00:04] <Tsutsukakushi> i'll try tat
[00:04] <grendal_prime> it just decides...bam...
[00:04] <Tsutsukakushi> that
[00:07] <grendal_prime> where are the log files for individual guests stored again?
[00:08] <grendal_prime> nevermind i found them
[00:47] <grendal_prime> i never seen anything in these logs that seem to help.
[03:17] <phi0xz> hey guys, trying to figure out how to make a folder location such as /downloads/ be really a combination of two different folder paths, /downloads/ and /home/downloads/. my drives are split up so that / is one drive and /home/ is another, however my /downloads/ folder is now getting full on / and i want to take the space from /home/downloads/ and link it up to /downloads/ so that files i write to /downloads/ actually write to /home/
[03:17] <phi0xz> downloads/ if /downloads/ is full.
[03:19] <andol> phi0xz: Wouldn't you rather solve this at a lower level, combining buth those drives using say LVM?
[03:20] <phi0xz> sure. what happened was i have a rental server which was pre configured. they have a default system partition setup which i couldn't choose my own. didnt know if i could alter it easily?
[03:20] <phi0xz> i've never altered partition tables in linux after a install has already been done.
[03:20] <phi0xz> i've added drives but never altered.
[03:21] <phi0xz> is there a guilde you could point me to which may help accomplish this?
[03:21] <phi0xz> they also did software raid1 which i honestly dont need..
[03:21] <phi0xz> but its preconfigured
[03:30] <roasted> hi
[04:01] <hipitihop>  I have installed LXD on my 14.04 desktop as per https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/getting-started-cli/ and imported ubuntu via lxd-images but during launch apparmor complains "Incomplete AppArmor support in your kernel...lxc.aa_allow_incomplete = 1..."
[07:18] <hipitihop> For the benefit of others I ended up adding `lxc.aa_allow_incomplete = 1` to  /usr/share/lxc/config/ubuntu.common.conf
[07:45] <jvwjgames> My sftp is copying files but for some reason won't copy folders
[08:50] <jvwjgames> I need help
[08:51] <jvwjgames> I can't get past a server error 500
[10:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[15:15] <Sagar> Hello, can anyone help us, our server is getting mad, not sure what is the issue and where it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/13990037/
[15:15] <Sagar>  It says We have detected that load average of your VPS  is above the allowed limit.
[15:16] <Sagar> Our vps was suspended, they said us to look into our VPS. Any help appriciated, SMTP and php fpm is getting made, not sure, why
[16:03] <patdk-lap> sagar, well, you are infected with a vaunerable php program
[16:03] <patdk-lap> and are sending spam
[16:42] <Wamphyri> is there a way to find out if php is lagging or if its mysql?
[16:43] <Capprentice> How to implement a spam filtering server?
[16:43] <Capprentice> It has to be transparent :(
[16:43] <Capprentice> and must have capasity to filter mails from gmail, hotmail etc.
[16:46] <Paaltomo> hi
[16:46] <Paaltomo> i'm trying to connect to an openvpn server i just set up on ubuntu
[16:46] <Paaltomo> but the tls key negotiation is failing to occur / handshake is failing
[16:46] <Paaltomo> what do
[16:46] <Paaltomo> ubuntu 14.10 afaik and antergos
[16:49] <Paaltomo> is it a port thing?
[16:59] <RoyK> Wamphyri: usually, just use top
[16:59] <RoyK> Wamphyri: large db?
[16:59] <Wamphyri> nope not at all
[16:59] <RoyK> Wamphyri: also, don't use mysql unless you really need to
[17:00] <Wamphyri> mysql using 1.7% but php-cgi jumps between 5% to 70%
[17:00] <RoyK> Wamphyri: install sysstat, enable it, install munin, watch the graphs or just use sysstat/sar
[17:00] <qman__> Paaltomo: that usually means you cannot establish a connection, check firewall settings and make sure you can route traffic to the server properly
[17:00] <RoyK> Wamphyri: it can be anything, you need to monitor things to see what's hanging
[17:00] <Paaltomo> qman_ thanks
[17:01] <Wamphyri> RoyK, thanks
[17:01] <Wamphyri> i've been watching top, just php/mysql running stupid slow lol
[17:03] <RoyK> Wamphyri: install the named tools
[17:03] <RoyK> Wamphyri: it'll tell you if it's i/o or cpu
[17:03] <Wamphyri> installed
[17:03] <Wamphyri> also enabled logging :)
[17:03] <RoyK> g99d
[17:03] <RoyK> good, even
[17:06] <Wamphyri> i'm beginign to get this feeling its i/o based
[17:07] <Wamphyri> mind you sar just blew up php-cgi
[17:07] <Wamphyri> used to be only one instance now i got about 30 of em
[17:11] <Wamphyri> RoyK, ok that app sucks nuggets, almost made my machine unusable
[17:18] <Wamphyri> RoyK, lmao 5 minutes trying to uninstall sysstat.. still sitting at building dependency tree
[17:25] <RoyK> Wamphyri: something must be messed up, hten
[17:26] <RoyK> Wamphyri: probably i/o fsckup
[17:26] <RoyK> Wamphyri: what does 'uptime' say about the load?
[17:27] <Wamphyri> dunno
[17:27] <RoyK> Wamphyri: or what about a ps axf|grep D # ?
[17:27] <Wamphyri> still at the same spot
[17:27] <RoyK> Wamphyri: probably a lot of processes in D state
[17:27] <RoyK> perhaps swapping?
[17:27] <Wamphyri> ps aux returned apache2 and php-cgi and a huge list of em
[17:28] <RoyK> Wamphyri: did you pipe it through | grep D ?
[17:28] <Wamphyri> na just ps aux then restarted apache2
[17:28] <Wamphyri> which helpped
[17:29] <RoyK> Wamphyri: pastebin output of 'free'
[17:29] <Wamphyri> alot, everything is moving again
[17:29] <Wamphyri> ok
[17:32] <Wamphyri> http://pastebin.com/1TZ1R8v8
[17:33] <Wamphyri> first time running sysstat, is it going to use all resources pretty much?
[17:34] <bekks> Wamphyri: Even without sysstat, your computer will use all available resources, when running linux.
[17:35] <Wamphyri> i ment will it hog them all
[17:35] <bekks> Which resources in particular do you talk about?
[17:36] <Wamphyri> any / all of them, i installed sysstat and my system turned into a turtle, 14 minutes to uninstall sysstat
[17:36] <bekks> Which resources in particular do you talk about?
[17:36] <bekks> Do you know which resources sysstat is showing you?
[17:38] <Wamphyri> alright, i'll rephrase. i installed sysstat, system became almost completly unusable, took 14 minutes to uninstall sysstat. (no point trying to run sysstat because system was virtually unusable)
[17:40] <bekks> Then look at free -m, top, ps -ef, vmstat and see whats hogging your box.
[17:40] <Wamphyri> here is the output of free http://pastebin.com/1TZ1R8v8
[17:41] <bekks> Looks fine.
[17:42] <Wamphyri> vmstat http://pastebin.com/KvfjPhu6
[17:42] <bekks> Just one line from vmstat is pointless.
[17:42] <bekks> Let it run for a minute, and post all of the output.
[17:43] <Wamphyri> it stopped itself
[17:43] <bekks> Because you did not tell it to run for a minute.
[17:46] <Wamphyri> http://pastebin.com/BjqR6n4i
[17:49] <bekks> Doesnt look like your system is "unusable".
[17:52] <Wamphyri> lmao, ok, i installed sysstat, apache2 / php-cgi usage when insane (ps aux to list it) so i tried to uninstall sysstat, after 5+ minutes of it sitting there building database 0% i ran service apache2 restart, that took 4 minutes to run. afterwards system managed to uninstall sysstat in a more "timely" manor
[18:04] <bekks> Wamphyri: Sounds like you should investigate your apache/php setup then.
[18:10] <Wamphyri> php-cgi runs between 5% to 70%
[18:10] <bekks> Doesnt mean anything.
[18:11] <bekks> Check the apache/php logs for whats happening, actually.
[18:14] <Wamphyri> would MaxRequestWorkers make it run slow?
[18:15] <bekks> Wamphyri: Depends on the value and the rest of the setup.
[18:22] <Wamphyri> bekks, php-cgi just exploded again, is there i can restore the system to original without direct access to it (through ssh preferable)
[18:22] <bekks> You cant do anything without having access to the system.
[18:23] <Wamphyri> physicial access?
[18:23] <bekks> "access to the system" means either physical access or access by ssh.
[18:23] <Wamphyri> jesus buddy do you not read my entire sentence?
[18:24] <bekks> I answered your question. I'm not responsible for you not wanting to hear specific things.
[18:40] <jelly> "exploded" is a bit nonspecific, best correlate whatever symptoms you're seeing with access.log
[18:55] <jvwjgames2> I am trying to solve a 500 server error
[18:55] <bekks> 500 server error on which server?
[18:56] <bekks> webserver, mailserver, etc.?
[18:56] <bekks> And running which Ubuntu?
[18:56] <jvwjgames2> Yes Ubuntu
[18:57] <teward> jvwjgames2: 500 means nothing without details on the software you're using that's generating it, the version of Ubuntu, etc.
[18:57] <teward> jvwjgames2: is it Apache?  NGINX?  Postfix?  PHP?
[18:57] <teward> what's generating the 500 error?
[18:57] <bekks> firefox :P
[18:57] <jvwjgames2> Here is the error log http://tfdatabase.net
[18:57] <bekks> Error log of WHAT?
[18:57] <teward> jvwjgames2: that's not useful
[18:58] <bekks> jvwjgames2: Start answering my questions please.
[18:58] <teward> jvwjgames2: the question at hand: What software generated that error.log, and are you seeing the 500 error when you navigate to a web site or what?
[18:58] <teward> jvwjgames2: if you want help, answer questions
[18:58] <teward> if you don't want help, don't answer questions, and continue to have the problem.
[18:58] <jvwjgames2> OK sorry it is Ubuntu server 14.04 LTS running Apache2
[18:59] <bekks> jvwjgames2: Fix all those "file not found" errors first.
[18:59] <jvwjgames2> I did
[19:00] <bekks> You didnt. They are in the log.
[19:00] <jvwjgames2> The error is at the bottom
[19:00] <bekks> Fix the "permission denied" error then.
[19:01]  * teward thinks he knows the next question from jvwjgames2
[19:06] <jvwjgames2> I cleared out the error.log but when I get the 500 error nothing generated
[19:06] <jvwjgames2> Only in access.lo
[19:06] <jvwjgames2> *log
[19:07] <bekks> Yeah.
[19:07] <bekks> And the access.log is what you posted.
[19:10] <jvwjgames2> Just reposted error and access.logs
[19:18] <jvwjgames2> Did you recheck cause I just reposted them
[21:48] <BrianBlaze420> once I make my rules for ufw and then reload it is it saved on reboot?
[22:09] <geetar> I can't print to a usb printer from a headless, non-gui ubuntu server using "lpr file-to-print.txt".  I *can* print from "cat file-to-print.txt > /dev/usb/lp0".  Any ideas what I can check?
[22:22] <geetar> Now, I *can* print from  "lpr file-to-print.txt", but not printing from remote laptop.
[22:22] <geetar> even  "lpr file-to-print.txt" using ssh is very slow though.
[22:40] <geetar> should I install full gui on the server to print with this machine or has anyone else been able to print with a headless gui-less ubuntu server?
[22:41] <geetar> I can print with the same printer on my ubuntu laptop flawlessly, but cant get the server to print
[22:41] <geetar> or at least can get it to print-serve properly
[22:42] <geetar> just now got it to print a test pdf through "lpr"
[22:45] <JanC> did you look for errors in the logs?
[22:45] <geetar> JanC: yes, but looking again ..
[22:51] <geetar> JanC: I have a thousand "Unable to create SSL server key file "/etc/cups/ssl/server.key" - No such file or directory" entries in error_log .  I thought I avoided that problem by re-installing cups.  But that gave me other problems that I thought were resolved.  I cannot find on google or duckduck any other problems with cups and SSL.
[22:52] <JanC> and logs or verbose errors on the laptop when you try to print from it?
[22:53] <JanC> and I'm sure you don't need a GUI to print, but maybe you need some configuration change (permissions? is it listening "on the outside" or only on localhost? etc.)
[22:53] <geetar> The SSL issue I think was why I could not get into this machine and manage the printers with the browser through <IP_ADDRESS>:631.  I kept getting permissions errors.
[22:54] <geetar> JanC: I am about to get into the server through <IP_ADDRESS>:631 now.  After reinstalling CUPS.
[22:57] <geetar> JanC: but I assume that the long delay I am getting it the server writing a thousand ""Unable to create SSL server key file "/etc/cups/ssl/server.key" - No such file or directory" in the error logs.  As I said, I uninstalled cups.  Re-installation did not re-create the config files.  I put them back and then it worked.  I got into the cups through the browser.
[23:00] <geetar> The SSL folder in /etc/cups/ had links to ssl keys but they would not let me through the browser.  I can find nothing on the web about when or why or how the SSL certificates are created and how to fix this issue.
[23:01] <geetar> They were not re-created when I uninstalled and then re-installed CUPS.  In fact, the default config files were not re-created when I re-installed CUPS.  Why is that?
[23:03] <geetar> BTW it is still creating "Unable to create SSL server key file "/etc/cups/ssl/server.key" - No such file or directory" entries in the error log
[23:04] <geetar> Can someone verify that in /etc/cups/ssl they have links to SSL certificates?
[23:04] <geetar> Does anyone know how or why the ssl folder in /etc/cups/ssl gets created?
[23:09] <OerHeks> geetar, mine during fresh install, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13999403/
[23:10] <tarpman> geetar: how -> see /var/lib/dpkg/info/cups.postinst
[23:10] <tarpman> geetar: why -> to provide a default self-signed server cert so that you can use cups securely without having to buy a certificate
[23:11] <tarpman> geetar: if you delete a config file, dpkg respects your wish to have it gone and does not bring it back if you remove and reinstall a package. if you *purge* and reinstall the package, the default configs will come back
[23:11] <tarpman> geetar: or reinstall the package using dpkg --force-confnew
[23:11] <geetar> OerHeks: thanks, helpful, similar to mine before.  I will restore.
[23:12] <tarpman> pardon me, --force-confmiss
[23:18] <geetar> tarpman: thanks.  I "apt-get --purge" cups.  Which I thought would make it start over when I re-installed, but it did not re-create any config files when I re-installed.  Thanks, too, trying --force-confnew
[23:22] <tarpman> geetar: pardon me, the package that sets up the certs (and some other configs) is cups-daemon, not cups itself
[23:24] <geetar> tarpman: "sudo apt-get install cups-daemon" claims I am at the newest version.
[23:25] <tarpman> geetar: I meant cups-daemon is the package you need to purge and reinstall if you want the configs re-created
[23:25] <geetar> ah, k