[06:11] <lucas> Laney: done
[06:30] <Rhonda> micahg: uh? Not directly
[06:31] <Rhonda> apt-cache showsrc gnash | grep Build-Depends | head -1 | sed -e 's/,/\n/g' | wc -l
[06:32] <Rhonda> 38
[08:26] <benonsoftware> Hi all
[08:32] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <benonsoftware> Evening :)
[08:38] <benonsoftware> How are you?
[08:41] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[08:41] <dholbach> hey iulian, hey benonsoftware
[08:41] <benonsoftware> How are you going?
[08:44] <dholbach> good good, still a bit sleepy though :)
[08:44] <dholbach> another coffee will hopefully fix this
[08:46] <Laney> haha, I didn't mean to publish that MOTU post to planet
[08:46] <Laney> oops :P
[08:46] <benonsoftware> What post?
[15:23] <highvoltage> Laney: heh, I didn't notice it was a draft or anything :)
[15:23] <Laney> I just had it in a branch locally then accidently pushed it
[15:24] <Laney> it had tags 'draft planetubuntu' which meant it went to planet ;(
[15:24] <Laney> oh well
[15:24] <Laney> wasn't really a draft, I posted it to -motu ages ago
[15:24] <Laney> just didn't fancy publicising it on planet
[15:25] <tumbleweed> Laney: so you're feeling more motivated since joining -release?
[15:25] <highvoltage> motuvated :)
[15:25] <Laney> somewhat
[15:25] <tumbleweed> it certainly gave me a bit of focus
[15:26] <Laney> I feel less bad about ignoring the other stuff :P
[15:26] <tumbleweed> heh
[15:26] <Laney> being a DD probably helped more in that regard though
[15:27] <Laney> s/being/becoming/
[15:27] <highvoltage> I've been extremely unmotivated (or maby just lazy and perhaps someowhat confused?) recently but I just resigned to the fact that I can't get everything perfect and can't always stay 100% up to date with everything and I should just worry less and things will eventually work out. (but that's bigger than motu stuff though, applies to all the other things I'm behind with too)
[15:29] <Laney> I guess people tend to move on from general MOTU work
[15:29]  * tumbleweed hasn't been a particularly active DD. Sponsor a pile of debian-python stuff, and trying to get the transition done, that's about it
[15:29] <Laney> I remember being really enthusiastic about doing a zillion merges
[15:30] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: I think we all see ourselves as lazy, because we know how much more there is we could do
[15:31]  * tumbleweed feels bad about all the stuff I neglect, but one needs to have a life (and some lazy days) too
[15:33] <tumbleweed> Laney: so, are you doing anything with the ubuntu_uploads table yet?
[15:33] <Laney> not yet
[15:33]  * tumbleweed must write a sponsorship-locating UDD script
[15:33] <Laney> might write that DEXy script later
[15:34] <tumbleweed> lucas: what's the best place to stage UDD scripts? (I know there was a recent debian-devel thread on iths, but it died)
[15:34] <Laney> but then again it's a nice day for a post-work bike ride so maybe not
[15:34] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: yeah I mostly use my previous cycle as a reference. I had a lot more done by alpha2 last time, but at least there's still time to catch up :)
[15:34] <Laney> I wrote some goals at the start of this cycle
[15:35] <Laney> achieved most of them apart from the one that's probably the most useful to others... getting involved with backports
[15:35] <Laney> *cough*
[15:35] <tumbleweed> well, there's a fair amount of cycle left :)
[15:35] <highvoltage> that was one of my goals too and with some prodding from daniel I actually spent some time on it :)
[15:36] <highvoltage> (didn't have an *actual* backport done yet but there's a few bugs I've started working on at least)
[15:36] <Laney> I did look at some at UDS, but not since
[15:36] <Laney> hopefully the queue gets down so that some people can subscribe to the bugs and keep on top of it
[15:38] <highvoltage> I was actually thinking last night that I need some big display up in my home office cycling through stats and pages and my to do list so that I can keep up to date with what's important right now and what I should be working on. but just the idea of having that pushes my stress levels up so I decided against it :)
[15:39] <Laney> my conclusion is that you shouldn't try to do everything yourself
[15:39] <Laney> it's more worthwhile trying to convince new people to get involved
[15:41] <Laney> and I'm not very good at doing that, so I try to work with the people who are :-)
[15:41]  * Laney hugs nigelb
[15:41] <tumbleweed> which is already something we need to be putting effort into anyway
[15:41] <tumbleweed> yeah, thanks nigelb. The ftbfs jam was fun (even if I didn't fix any myself :P )
[15:41] <Laney> more people = less work = less guilt = more fun
[15:42] <tumbleweed> we are pretty dependant on people coming and finding us and wanting to contribute, though. My reaching out and trying to get people involved hasn't worked too well...
[15:43] <Laney> we could upload some adware...
[15:43] <Laney> 'Come join #ubuntu-motu!'
[15:43] <Laney> 'If you fix one bug, this advert will go away'
[15:44] <highvoltage> hmm... I did get $50 worth of google adwords when signing up for something recently and I didn't know what to do with it :) (I guess with $50 only a few dozen people will see it)
[15:44] <dupondje> Some merges / syncs need to be done ? :)
[15:45] <highvoltage> (sorry I know you're just joking)
[15:45] <Laney> :P
[15:46] <Laney> dupondje: many things always need doing
[15:46] <Laney> start with FTBFS or NBS or rcbugs
[15:48] <dupondje> lets update my pbuilder :)
[15:49] <Laney> or pick your favourite package and look at its bugs
[15:55] <Laney> Rhonda: did you ever figure out how to run web accessible scripts against UDD?
[15:55] <Laney> Rhonda: p.s. please put your PPU application in
[15:58] <dupondje> Laney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ispell => can you trigger a rebuild ?
[15:58] <dupondje> its building fine now (seems like it was build when dpkg was broken)
[16:00] <tumbleweed> Laney: I don't think it's possible. I'm currently generating a static html file on wagner and syncing it to vasks :/
[16:04] <Laney> dupondje: can't, it's in main
[16:05] <Laney> try in #-devel
[16:05] <Laney> tumbleweed: what a pain :(
[16:06] <tumbleweed> Laney: indeed, I also have some more interactive things I'd like to have working :)
[16:06] <tumbleweed> but one can't have personal cgi's on alioth anyway, so other options would be preferable
[16:25] <dupondje> Question: i'm fixing pdns ftbfs. Issue is that it can't find sqlite3.h (which is in libsqlite3-dev: /usr/include/sqlite3.h).
[16:25] <dupondje> But it only looks in 'SQLITE_lib_check="/usr/local/sqlite/lib/sqlite /usr/local/lib/sqlite /opt/pgsql/lib/sqlite /usr/lib/sqlite /usr/local/sqlite/lib /usr/local/lib /opt/sqlite/lib /usr/lib"'
[16:25] <dupondje> Is the best way to fix this: 1) change debian/rules to add --sqlite3-path ?
[16:25] <dupondje> 2) add /usr/include/ in the configure ?
[16:25] <tumbleweed> dupondje: looks like a library search path rather than a header seach path
[16:28] <dupondje> looking wrong indeed :)
[16:29] <lucas> tumbleweed: wagner.d.o
[16:30] <lucas> tumbleweed: (part of alioth)
[16:30] <dupondje> libsqlite3-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so
[16:30] <tumbleweed> lucas: one can't put cgis in public_html, though
[16:30] <tumbleweed> and wagner proxies to vasks :/
[16:30] <lucas> tumbleweed: no, but you can a project's htdocs dir
[16:31] <tumbleweed> is there a qa / udd project we can abuse?
[16:31] <Laney> collab-qa?
[16:31] <tumbleweed> ah, thanks
[16:32] <Laney> don't know if that kind of script is wanted in there though
[16:33] <jtaylor> dupondje: those are the new multiarch paths, you can get it with dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH
[16:33] <jtaylor> or you use pkg-config
[16:35] <tumbleweed> Laney: well, for the ubuntu stuff, we could use ubuntu-dev
[16:36] <dupondje> jtaylor: whats the best way to follow ?
[16:37] <dupondje> any examples btw ?
[16:37] <Laney> tumbleweed: right, or the dex one I suppose
[16:40] <Laney> tumbleweed: which project is it? could you add me?
[16:41] <jtaylor> dupondje: this should work http://paste.ubuntu.com/637994/
[16:42] <jtaylor> or instead of patching the source add that to configure in rules
[16:42] <jtaylor> probably better
[16:43] <jtaylor> --with-sqlite3-lib=`dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH`
[16:43] <jtaylor> +/usr/lib
[16:43] <dupondje> but whats that debian-pdns/rules vs debian/rules ? :)
[16:44] <jtaylor> maybe upstream has an own debian directory
[16:44] <dupondje> then it gets renamed and isn't used ?
[16:45] <jtaylor> yes and  dpkt 3.0 removes all upstream debian rules on unpacking
[16:45] <tumbleweed> Laney: you appear to already be a member. I just applied
[16:45] <Laney> not as my DD account then
[16:46] <tumbleweed> ah right
[16:46] <dupondje> lets build
[16:47] <tumbleweed> dupondje: if you are looking for more FTBFS packages, here's last week's jam list: http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/bugjam/
[16:47] <Laney> applied
[16:49] <DktrKranz> tumbleweed, Laney: I'll process you as soon as my password is somehow restored
[16:52] <dupondje> I need a quadcore
[16:52] <dupondje> damn :°
[16:54] <dupondje> checking for SQLite3 library directory... /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[16:54] <dupondje> allright :D
[17:00] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pdns/+bug/756198
[17:00] <dupondje> does it looks fine ?
[17:02] <tumbleweed> LGTM
[17:03] <dupondje> added ubuntu-sponsors :)
[17:03] <dupondje> next one now :D
[17:11] <micahg> Rhonda: right, I meant it pulled in that many packages at build time, it's the most I've seen yet
[17:57] <dupondje> mmmm
[17:57] <dupondje> i'm merging courier, but in debian/rules there is:         if [ `umask` != "0022" ]; then echo "You need to set umask to 022 in order to compile/build courier"; exit 1; fi
[17:58] <dupondje> but how to set the umask ? :s
[17:59] <tumbleweed> with the umask command
[18:01] <dupondje> yea but I don't get where exactly :)
[18:01] <dupondje> http://ubuntu.dupondje.be/merge.debdiff
[18:01] <dupondje> this is the debdiff I have atm
[18:03] <dupondje> It wasn't set in the previous version in ubuntu
[18:03] <dupondje> so quite strange it now fails on that
[18:04] <tumbleweed> dupondje: pbuilder?
[18:04] <dupondje> y
[18:04] <tumbleweed> yeah it doesn't look like you have to make any changes for ubuntu, but you might need to tweak your pbuilder
[18:05] <tumbleweed> dupondje: debian bug 531885
[18:05] <tumbleweed> oh, know apparetly that's cowbuilder only
[18:06] <tumbleweed> anyway, it has a workaround suggestion
[18:06] <dupondje> I see :)
[18:06] <dupondje> lets try it out
[18:19] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: I marked the bugs where you attached the patch in the Debian BTS (and didn't assign it to yourself) as "Triaged".  I was told that it should be possible to do it on the QA server and I should join the team, but there are still unresponded questions pending.
[19:35] <Rhonda> Laney: And where shall I put my PPU application in? When is the next meeting?
[19:40] <Laney> Rhonda: you need to email devel-permissions@ and add yourself to the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[19:40] <Laney> next meeting is 18/7
[19:43] <Rhonda> Ah, right, that was that then.
[19:43] <Rhonda> 18/7 I'll be in bosnia, so that would fit
[19:45] <Rhonda> … I hope the network will be working at that time of DebCamp already.  ;)
[19:47] <Rhonda> huhm
[19:47] <Rhonda> waiting for login.ubuntu.com …
[19:47] <Laney> heh
[19:48] <Laney> that old problem...
[19:49] <Rhonda> Shall I put me with 3 into it?
[19:49] <Laney> yep
[19:49] <Rhonda> The (E) is confusing me here.
[19:49] <Laney> = email
[19:49] <Laney> that one is stalled since sylvestre hasn't replied to some questions
[19:50] <Rhonda> damn
[19:50] <Rhonda> hmm
[19:50] <Rhonda> there was some edit hint that i noticed when I clicked safe …
[19:50] <Laney> we had a big backlog some time ago and processed a few applications over email instead of IRC
[19:50] <Rhonda> though the time it displayed was a single minute
[19:51] <Laney> might have been my lock
[19:51] <Laney> if so, i was finished anyway
[19:57] <Rhonda> Ah yes, was yours
[19:57] <jtaylor> hmm does libtool not like fopenmp?
[19:57] <jtaylor> it seems to drop that flag for linking
[19:57] <jtaylor> which is wrong
[19:59] <jtaylor> yes it does
[19:59] <jtaylor> what a piece of crap
[20:00] <jtaylor> is there anything this thing makes easier and  not harder?
[20:03] <Ampelbein> jtaylor: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-libtool/2011-03/msg00024.html suggests it's been fixed.
[20:04] <jtaylor> yes but timblserver uses an old version
[20:04] <Ampelbein> yay for ltmain.sh patching
[20:05] <jtaylor> libtimbl I mean
[20:14] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: please triage bug 803205
[20:21] <dupondje> pbuilder broken ? :s
[20:28] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: oh right, you aren't in bug control :/
[20:45] <fabrice_sp> dupondje, it seems more to be some missing lib or .o in the link command
[20:48] <dupondje> fabrice_sp: to what question you are replying now ? :)
[20:49] <fabrice_sp> dupondje, sorry: I thought you were saying that builds was broken to 803205. Should I read better! sorry
[20:49] <dupondje> np :D
[20:49] <dupondje> pbuilder is broken :(
[20:49] <fabrice_sp> I uses sbuild ;-)
[20:49] <dupondje> + mount -t proc /proc /var/cache/pbuilder/build//14569/proc
[20:49] <dupondje> mount: /proc already mounted or /var/cache/pbuilder/build//14569/proc busy
[20:49] <dupondje> mount: according to mtab, /proc is mounted on /proc
[20:51] <fabrice_sp> dumb question, but did you try to reboot?
[20:51] <fabrice_sp> I sometimes messup my schroots and end up with this kind of errors
[20:52] <dupondje> yep I did :s
[20:53] <dupondje> /var/cache/pbuilder/build//14569/proc is really mounted.
[20:53] <dupondje> seems like mount reply changed ?
[20:53] <fabrice_sp> so it's trying to mount it twice?
[20:53] <fabrice_sp> are you using natty as your main system?
[20:55] <dupondje> it looks like its mounting twice indeed
[20:55] <dupondje> oneiric
[20:57] <fabrice_sp> I'm installing pbuilder in an oneiric schroot, to see if it happens the same
[20:58] <dupondje> only happens on create
[21:01] <fabrice_sp> pbuilder create worked here
[21:01] <dupondje> weird :s
[21:02] <fabrice_sp> this is in a schroot, so mounts may acts differently
[21:03] <dupondje> wanted to create a new pbuilder, and now its completely broken :(
[21:06] <dupondje> ok
[21:06] <dupondje> seems like its a debootstrap bug
[21:08] <fabrice_sp> bug 595908?
[21:10] <dupondje> Well I did: $ sudo debootstrap --include=apt --variant=buildd --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg oneiric . http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[21:10] <dupondje> this mounted proc into the chroot debootstrap
[21:10] <dupondje> and when its done, its not unmounted
[21:10] <dupondje> so its still mounted when pbuilder tries to mount
[21:11] <fabrice_sp> if hte directory is different, this shouldn't be an issue, as proc is mounted several times (in each chrrot )
[21:11] <fabrice_sp> do you have any pbuilderrc files?
[21:11] <fabrice_sp> (in etc or $HOME)
[21:15] <dupondje> I had, removing it now, and trying again
[21:16] <fabrice_sp> ok. fyi, I updated my chroot and it worked again
[21:19] <dupondje> nope, remove pbuilderrc
[21:19] <dupondje> and still fails :s
[21:19] <dupondje> somehow
[21:20] <dupondje> jean-louis@laptop-jl:~$ sudo mount -t proc /proc /home/jean-louis/test/proc/
[21:20] <dupondje> mount: /proc already mounted or /home/jean-louis/test/proc/ busy
[21:20] <dupondje> mount: according to mtab, /proc is mounted on /proc
[21:20] <dupondje> but its not listed in df -a
[21:24] <fabrice_sp> this works here
[21:26] <dupondje> weird :s
[21:26] <fabrice_sp> yeah
[21:26] <dupondje> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631087
[21:26] <dupondje> some debian users have same
[21:26] <dupondje> but no solution :s
[21:28] <dupondje> jean-louis@laptop-jl:~/test$ sudo umount /home/jean-louis/test/proc/
[21:28] <dupondje> umount: /proc: device is busy.
[21:28] <dupondje> this is weird
[21:29] <dupondje> lsof |grep test shows nothing :s
[21:33] <fabrice_sp> when mounted by mount -t proc /proc, it shows in /etc/mtab, so it's weird in your case. Sorry I can't help
[21:43] <Elbrus> can somebody tell me how to get a request for rebuild the proper tagging in launchpad (bug 805677)
[21:43] <Elbrus> or should I ask this in #ubuntu-bugs?
[21:44] <micahg> Elbrus: subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[21:46] <Elbrus> will do
[21:47] <Elbrus> done
[21:48]  * Elbrus going to sleep now ... productive day it has been
[21:57] <dupondje> debootstrapper is really doing something weird
[22:08] <dupondje> ok
[22:08] <dupondje> its not debootstrapper :(


[00:55] <jetsaredim> when i dput something into my ppa - how can I see the status of the build?
[01:10] <steveire> jetsaredim: You'll get an email if it fails. I can't seem to see the status of packages before the build completes either.
[01:14] <jetsaredim> so the "all states" thing is really just misleading
[01:19] <stdin> what? https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all doesn't show pending/building states for you?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> jetsaredim: not really - it does include currently building
[01:34] <comperr> heh - I was here before - but I forgot who I was speaking too - who is the pastebinit creator again ?
[01:36] <stdin> comperr: stgraber
[01:36] <comperr> stgraber, ping
[01:36] <comperr> stdin, thank you vm
[03:27] <jetsaredim> can't seem to get my pgp key uploaded to launchpad
[03:36] <mwhudson> sometimes the keyservers need kicking in the shins
[03:37] <mwhudson> can you fetch your key from keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[03:37] <mwhudson> (i think that's what it's called, anyway...)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> jetsaredim: what error do you get?
[03:40] <jetsaredim> that was the problem
[03:41] <jetsaredim> got the keyserver updated and it worked now
[03:41] <jetsaredim> now I'm trying to build a package from one of my bzr trees into my ppa
[03:42] <jetsaredim> anyone feel like hand-holding me on that one?
[03:42] <jetsaredim> :)
[03:43] <jetsaredim> I tried walking through the PPAQuickStart  guide on launchpad, but it didn't seem to take
[03:50] <jetsaredim> so if i just did a dput and it says "Successfully uploaded packages." does that mean that ppa is trying to build the package?
[03:52] <jetsaredim> ah - got an email saying that my package needs to be signed by an ubuntero
[03:53] <comperr> stgraber, ping
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #194231 in launchpad ""?action=subscribe" should be a HTTP POST operation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194231
[04:04] <jetsaredim> how long does a queued ppa build usually take to build?
[04:04] <jetsaredim> for something that takes less than a minute to build on my desktop
[04:05] <Hobbsee> it gets done almost immediately
[04:06] <jetsaredim> https://launchpad.net/~jetsaredim/+archive/+build/522588
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #194235 in launchpad ""Subscribe" should say "Unsubscribe" when subscribed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194235
[04:25] <emgent> hello people
[04:25] <jetsaredim> how do you build the same package for gutsy and hardy in your ppa?
[04:25] <emgent> someone know url to all list group in launchpad ?
[04:26] <lifeless> emgent: what do you mean
[04:26] <emgent> i'd like see all group listed in launchpad
[04:26] <emgent> but i dont found the correct page
[04:27] <emgent> found...
[04:28] <emgent> sorry :P
[04:28] <jetsaredim> https://launchpad.net/projects/+all
[04:28] <lifeless> thats projects not groups
[04:28] <emgent> https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+teamlist
[04:29] <emgent> it's the correct link :P
[04:29] <jetsaredim> well - there ya go
[04:40] <lifeless> some crack teams around: https://edge.launchpad.net/~logicalfaith
[04:43] <thumper> ??
[04:44] <RAOF> lifeless: How did you discover that gem?
[04:44] <thumper> RAOF: I was about to ask the same thing
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #194243 in launchpad "There i no way to see which members are subsribed to a mailing list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194243
[04:49] <lifeless> emgent asked about the full team list
[04:49] <lifeless> so I peeked out of curiosity. Its the first item.
[04:55] <jetsaredim> how long will it take for my package to be built and put into my ppa?
 this long
[04:55] <jetsaredim> heh
[04:55] <jetsaredim> been 54 min pending
[04:55] <lifeless> seriously, it depends on the package, on how many other packages are being built concurrently.
[04:56] <lifeless> there could be a problem, let me enquire
[04:56] <jetsaredim> k
[04:57] <jetsaredim> also - how do i go about building the same package on gutsy and hardy?
[04:58] <lifeless> I'm not sure offhand sorry
[04:59] <Hobbsee> different version numbers in debian/control
[04:59] <Hobbsee> also see autoppa
[04:59] <jetsaredim> i built it on two different systems and the tar.gz has different md5sums
[05:10] <jetsaredim> lifeless: was there any backup?
[05:14] <lifeless> jetsaredim: its apparently ok
[05:14] <lifeless> jetsaredim: another person just got their build back
[05:15] <jetsaredim> hmm
[05:18] <jetsaredim> been over an hour now
[05:18] <jetsaredim> https://launchpad.net/~jetsaredim/+archive/+build/522588
[05:22] <jetsaredim> am i missing something
[05:23] <lifeless> yes; limited resources - there is a queue
[05:24] <jetsaredim> ok - so just wait and see
[05:24] <jetsaredim> would be nice to see where you are in the queue
[05:26] <lifeless> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[05:27] <jetsaredim> odd - 2 idle i386 build machines and 15 in queue
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #194257 in launchpad-bazaar ""Recently imported branches" doesn't just list recent ones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194257
[06:08] <jetsaredim> lifeless: what does build for superseded mean?
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #194262 in launchpad-buildd "Page for build that hasn't finished is cryptic about its status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194262
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #194264 in launchpad "random sort order in ppa contents table" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194264
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #194265 in launchpad-buildd "Page for build doesn't say where in the queue it is" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194265
[06:21] <lifeless> jetsaredim: dunno
[06:21] <poolie> jetsaredim: it means you've uploaded another package
[06:21] <poolie> with a higher version number
[06:22] <poolie> eg if you upload 1.1 and 1.2 to the same distro, 1.1 won't be built
[06:23] <poolie> heh, everyone's beating on ppas
[06:23] <poolie> i want to see the group photo for logicalfaith :)
[06:25] <mpt> jetsaredim, I reported bug 194265 based on your suggestion
[06:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194265 in launchpad-buildd "Page for build doesn't say where in the queue it is" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194265
[06:25] <poolie> good point
[06:25] <mpt> poolie, what do you mean by "Everyone's beating on ppas"?
[06:26] <poolie> excuse my americanism
[06:26] <poolie> i mean it is being enthusiastically dogfooded
[06:26] <poolie> it seems to be the dominant topic in #launchpad, and just got several bugs
[06:27] <poolie> which i see are from you
[06:27] <mpt> I don't have a PPA, I'm just in a bug-reporting mood
[06:27]  * mpt ducks
[06:28] <poolie> so is launchpad-buildd the right product for ppa ui things too?
[06:28] <poolie> btw you know igc is very very keen on adding a 'component' field to bugs
[06:28] <poolie> for things just like this
[06:28] <mpt> Who or what is igc?
[06:29] <poolie> ian clatworthy
[06:29] <mpt> oh!
[06:29] <mpt> That was the original purpose of tags, iirc
[06:29] <mpt> to avoid the need for never-quite-fitting components
[06:30] <mpt> It's "just" too difficult to add/change/remove tags currently
[06:31] <mpt> (bug 98585, bug 127138)
[06:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98585 in malone "No tag list/ coordination on bug edit form" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98585
[06:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127138 in malone "Can't add/remove tags while changing a bug's status" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127138
[06:31] <mpt> and to search for interesting combinations of tags (bug 81575)
[06:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81575 in malone "no way to search for absence of a tag" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81575
[06:33] <mpt> So to answer your original question by way of example, all PPA bugs belong in the Soyuz "project" afaik
[06:33] <mpt> but build-related bugs belong in the launchpad-buildd "project"
[06:34] <mpt> whereas if they were tags, a bug report that was about PPA builds could have "ppa" and "build" tags simultaneously.
[06:38] <poolie> i think ian's desires could be satisfied by tags, as long as there was enough ui to guide people to the right tags
[06:38] <poolie> we wouldn't want people accidentally filing them on {ppa ppas archives build buildd} etc
[06:39] <mpt> yeah, 98585 is the key to that
[06:39] <mpt> an auto-complete menu or a combo box or something
[06:39] <poolie> btw how do you find these bugs when you want to cite them?
[06:39] <poolie> right
[06:39] <mpt> I search
[06:39] <poolie> in what scope?
[06:40] <mpt> in the case of those tag-related bugs, I used the "bugtag" link in the "Tags" box on bugs.launchpad.net/malone
[06:40] <mpt> Ah, tell me about this
[06:40] <poolie> ?
[06:41] <mpt> Pretend I didn't just tell you that
[06:41] <mpt> How would you have tried to find them?
[06:41] <mpt> (Or would you not have bothered?)
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #194266 in launchpad-buildd "Upload and build queue table can get massively wide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194266
[06:41] <mpt> I ask because fairly often I get people asking me "is there a bug about X"
[06:42] <mpt> So apparently it's difficult, or slow, or non-obvious to search for bug reports
[06:42] <mpt> in a way that I'm blind to.
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #194275 in launchpad-buildd "don't remove outdated binaries if they are needed for dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194275
[07:37] <Fujitsu> I don't like the sound of that.
[08:18] <mdke> when rejecting proposed members, is there any way to do it by bulk? With the same message? We need to do 926
[08:19] <Nafallo> alter the field in the database?
[08:19]  * Nafallo hides
[08:19] <Fujitsu> mdke: I'm fairly sure there isn't.
[08:19] <Fujitsu> What Nafallo said.
[08:19] <Fujitsu> mdke: ubuntumembers?
[08:19] <Fujitsu> I recall that list being gigantic.
[08:20]  * Fujitsu thinks there should be an API to do that in the next couple of months, but not yet, unfortunately.
[08:20] <mdke> i thought an LP admin might be able to do it with a script
[08:21] <Fujitsu> You could probably write a bit of a script to do it, if someone doesn't already have one.
[08:22] <mdke> well, I certainly wouldn't know how, although I could supply the rejection message, of course
[08:30] <mdke> i'll maybe open a question in the answer tracker
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #194313 in launchpad "Packages starting with number sorted before no package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194313
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #181312 in apt-file "Please provide Contents-ARCH.gz for all sources" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181312
[11:31] <mcr-joe> hello, i need help! my ppa won't work!
[11:31] <mcr-joe> i activated it and abotu 1/2 hour ago accept the agreement
[11:33] <mcr-joe> oh found out why
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #194333 in ubuntu "Useless use of cat in bug report form (dup-of: 185897)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194333
[12:23] <frenchy> Sorry for being dumb, I've created a poll with today's date ... blah, blah, blah ... you know how the story ends, right?  Is a LP developer/admin/maintainer able to delete it for me?
[12:26] <kiko> frenchy, oh, hrm.
[12:26] <kiko> frenchy, can you ask an lp question (see /topic)?
[12:29] <frenchy> kiko: Yep, will do, thanks.
[12:36] <frenchy> kiko: Done, thanks again.  Any luck with why I can't delete my VCS import?  Or maybe I should ask this on "answers" also?
[12:38] <kiko> frenchy, what's the VCS import? have you moved to bzr?
[12:40] <frenchy> kiko: Yeah, we had a brief discussion about it a few days ago.  I couldn't get to a particular page in LP even though I owned it and when you tried to delete it, it generated an OOPS.
[12:40] <frenchy> kiko: Sound familiar, or o you need more.
[12:41] <frenchy> *do
[12:41] <kiko> frenchy, ah, right! remind me the name of the project again?
[12:41] <frenchy> kiko: Me TV (me-tv)
[12:43] <frenchy> kiko: Since then I've discovered that the translations are attached to this branch.
[12:43] <frenchy> kiko: Anyway, it's not a big deal to me.  I just like to keep things tidy.  I can like with it.
[12:44] <frenchy> *live
[12:45] <kiko> my favorite featured project!
[12:45] <Hobbsee> what, launchpad?
[12:45] <kiko> frenchy, hang on. translations aren't attached to branches. they are attached to series.
[12:46] <kiko> frenchy, I've deleted your vcs import
[12:47] <kiko> frenchy, but why are your translations hooked up to a separate series? they should be on your development series!
[12:49] <frenchy> kiko: Yeah, I know.  I switched over to using stable/development a while ago but I'm not sure how to bring the translations across.  This is really an issue with me not understanding the way whole thing works.
[12:49] <mcr-joe> hiya, how do i change debuild to use gutsy for distrubtion and not unstable
[12:49] <kiko> frenchy, no worries. I think we can move them across, but I need to ask danilos.
[12:50] <kiko> danilos: ^^^
[12:50] <frenchy> kiko: Ta.
[12:50] <Fujitsu> mcr-joe: Change the distribution in the changelog.
[12:50] <frenchy> mcr-joe: I'm a noob but don't you just change the distro in the debian/changelog.
[12:50] <kiko> frenchy, do you want the unstable series deleted?
[12:50] <mcr-joe> okay
[12:51] <mcr-joe> thnx
[12:52] <frenchy> kiko: What do you think is best practice, "unstable" or "development"?
[12:53] <kiko> frenchy, the name doesn't matter as much as long as you have one only :-)
[12:53] <frenchy> Ha
[12:53] <kiko> I'll get rid of unstable as it is unused
[12:54] <danilos> kiko: sure, we can move them across
[12:54] <frenchy> kiko: I think that "development" most accurately reflects.  Please delete "unstable".  Thanks muchly.
[12:54] <danilos> kiko: unfortunately, it would have to be done manually afaik
[12:55] <frenchy> danilos: kiko: Yeah, sorry ... I started out with the SVN mentality but then switched to bzr.
[12:55] <kiko> danilos, can you help us with the SQL?
[12:55] <frenchy> when I came across from SF.
[12:55] <kiko> no worries
[12:56] <danilos> kiko: actually, maybe just doing it over https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/me-tv/translations/+pots/me-tv/+admin should do (if we don't want to keep the old series as well)
[12:57] <kiko> danilos, hah, it seems to have worked!
[12:57] <danilos> kiko: cool (I thought you wanted them copied first)
[12:58] <frenchy> kiko: danilos: looks good to me!
[12:58] <frenchy> kiko: danilos: But I didn't have access to that page, should I have had?
[12:59] <danilos> frenchy: great, if you have any problems, feel free to ask :)
[13:00] <frenchy> kiko: danilos: Awesome, thanks dudes.  Keep up the good work.
[13:00] <kiko> frenchy, so normally this stuff is best handled by admins as the forms are evil
[13:01] <kiko> frenchy, just finished up cleaning up your series and blueprints. reload and see what you think.
[13:01] <frenchy> kiko: ok, thanks heaps.
[13:01] <danilos> frenchy: it might make sense to have a separate page to actually move translations from one series to the other, so if you feel like it, please file a bug :)
[13:02] <frenchy> danilos: Are you suggesting that I raise this as a blueprint?
[13:02] <frenchy> danilos: Or s a bug better?
[13:02] <frenchy> *is
[13:03] <kiko> a bug would be better, but I am not sure it's worth filing
[13:03] <danilos> frenchy: well, a blueprint is probably more suitable, but people generally file bugs, and we make them into blueprints as needed
[13:03] <kiko> danilos, I mean, would the user really understand what he was doing?
[13:03] <kiko> wouldn't he expect the translations to be cloned or something, for instance
[13:03] <danilos> kiko: well, if we had a simple form of 'move all translations under [combo box showing possible serieses]'
[13:04] <danilos> kiko: perhaps, but that's another checkbox away 'copy instead of move'
[13:04] <danilos> kiko: though indeed, you are probably right that 'moving' itself wouldn't make much sense, it's basically an administrative fix
[13:06] <frenchy> kiko: That's very nice and shiny thank you.
[13:10] <kiko> frenchy, you're welcome. btw, do you not offer tarball downloads, just packages?
[13:11] <frenchy> kiko: I have them at https://edge.launchpad.net/me-tv/+download.  Is that the wrong place?
[13:11] <frenchy> kiko: It's in the watch file and works when I use uscan?
[13:11] <kiko> frenchy, no, that's fine, but it's not linked to from http://me-tv.sourceforge.net/download.html :)
[13:13] <frenchy> kiko: Good point. Yeah, people have to know to go to the project home page (which is linked from http://me-tv.sourceforge.net/).  I'll add that now.
[13:14] <kiko> frenchy, btw, bac's working on making the downloads available from the project home.
[13:14] <frenchy> kiko: Are you a DVB user yourself? (Is this too off-topic for here?)
[13:15] <frenchy> kiko: Has anyone suggested a dput upload for it?
[13:15] <kiko> frenchy, uhm, no. could you use dput to upload tarballs?
[13:15] <kiko> frenchy, I don't even know what a DVB is! I was just asking my office-mate
[13:16] <frenchy> kiko: probably not, but  ... hmmm ...  If since 4 days I'been waiting for 2 translation files (https://translations.launchpad.net/gueic/+imports) to get reviewed, do you think I should "ping" someone or just wait?
[13:17] <kiko> danilos, see Toobaz'?
[13:17] <frenchy> kiko: A DVB tuner.  It's just that you said before "my favorite featured project!". Where you talking about LP>
[13:17] <frenchy> ?
[13:17] <kiko> frenchy, I like the way it has activity
[13:17] <kiko> frenchy, and the general idea and screenshots look cool
[13:17] <kiko> don't make fun of me now :)
[13:18] <danilos> Toobaz: we generally get to them in a week's time
[13:18] <Toobaz> ok
[13:18] <frenchy> kiko: Or was that just because it was "Ghost in the Shell"?
[13:18] <kiko> heh
[13:19] <danilos> Toobaz: you are developing gueic in LP directly, right? (if so, I can approve it right away, otherwise, it requires some digging into, what I don't have time right now for)
[13:19] <frenchy> kiko: LP has been a real ... ummm ... launchpad for the project.  So a big thanks to you guys.
[13:20] <Toobaz> danilos: yes
[13:20] <kiko> frenchy, you're welcome -- that's pretty cool
[13:21] <danilos> Toobaz: cool, should be imported in a few minutes
[13:24] <frenchy> One final general thing, why do Blueprint rate so high in Karma?  I spend about 1/20th of my time in blueprints but it seems that it's the cause of my >40K karma.  I spend a lot of time in bugs and code.  It seems unfairly weighted.
[13:26] <Hobbsee> frenchy: try translations instead
[13:28] <frenchy> Hobbsee: Sorry, I don't understand.  Are you saying that translations are also very low karma then I agree.
[13:28] <frenchy> Actually it seems just that blueprints are high.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> frenchy: translations used to be very high
[13:29] <danilos> Toobaz: btw, you should probably use the same path for the .pot file and .po files if you want them automatically approved
[13:30] <danilos> Hobbsee: with the accent on 'used to be' :)
[13:30] <Toobaz> so? I upload them again?
[13:30] <Toobaz> or I just reupload the .po?
[13:31] <danilos> Toobaz: well, I've approved it manually now, but if they don't get auto-approved in a few hours after your next upload, please make sure the paths are corresponding, or that you import them directly under a new template
[13:31] <danilos> Toobaz: you may also want to set "uses translations officially" to actually let others see the template now (since it's been imported)
[13:32] <Toobaz> ehm... where?
[13:32] <Toobaz> it will be enabled when files will be approved?
[13:33] <danilos> Toobaz: files have been approved and imported
[13:33] <Toobaz> ok, I see. Where can I find the "uses translations officially" flag?
[13:34] <danilos> Toobaz: somewhere in the project settings, not sure myself :)
[13:35] <frenchy> Hobbsee: Oh, now they seem normal.  As I said, just the blueprints.  Not that I'm complaining, it just seems unfair to other guys helping me out with bugs.
[13:36] <danilos> Toobaz: btw, I've provided a Serbian translation while at it, but a lot of messages need translator comments so translators know the context of the message
[13:38] <Toobaz> mmhhh... I'm not an expert (and indeed thank you very much), I just thought translators figure out the context by using the app. I'll see how to add comments
[13:39] <Toobaz> danilos: can't find the flag... are you sure it won't be "on" by default once po/pot files will be imported (actually, their status page says "Will be imported into...") ?
[13:40] <danilos> Toobaz: yep, I am sure (all files have already been imported)
[13:41] <danilos> Toobaz: try at https://launchpad.net/gueic/+edit
[13:41] <Toobaz> ooops... thank you very much
[13:42] <danilos> Toobaz: as far as translations go, using an app helps, but reduces speed of translation; you should be able to just add comments before the strings in the python source code to get them into .pot file
[13:42] <Toobaz> wow
[13:43] <danilos> Toobaz: also, it is indeed hard sometimes to translate from one language to another (eg. Slavic languages are very filled with declensions, and it's almost impossible to provide correct short translations for strings like yours); my recommendation is to listen to translators and try to work with them to construct better strings :)
[13:43] <Toobaz> sure
[13:44] <Toobaz> hints?
[14:15] <kiko> Toobaz, just finished translating to portuguese
[14:16] <kiko> Toobaz, I have a question
[14:16] <Toobaz> yes
[14:16] <kiko> Toobaz, when you say "Ring:" is it the verb or the noun?
[14:16] <Toobaz> the noun
[14:17] <Toobaz> although maybe this string could be something better
[14:17] <kiko> okay
[14:17] <Toobaz> but I didn't have better ideas
[14:17] <kiko> maybe "Ring tone" or "Ring sound"?
[14:17] <Toobaz> no
[14:18] <Toobaz> it really should mean the alarm happening itself
[14:18] <Toobaz> well, in Italian it's "squillo"
[14:18] <kiko> maybe Alarm: ? :)
[14:19] <jetsaredim> if i upload a source.changes file of a package marked as hardy in its changelog from a gutsy machine - what release will it be built for?
[14:20] <Toobaz> yes, maybe "alarm" is the right thing... it just seemed too generic, but I can't figure out anything better
[14:21] <jetsaredim> also - if I had a build failure - is there a way to purge the files that were uploaded?  such as the tar.gz, etc?
[14:21] <Toobaz> I just wanted to give the difference between the generic alarm - which can, for example, ring every hour - and the "single time" alarm
[14:22] <Toobaz> anyway - just changed to "Alarm:"
[14:28] <kiko> jetsaredim, if you upload to the default dir, to hardy, I believe.
[14:28] <kiko> jetsaredim, you can request removal of those,sure.
[14:29] <kiko> Toobaz, ah, maybe "Repeat:" or something like that? I guess it depends on the control which comes after it.
[14:29] <Toobaz> no, the point is that it just doesn't repeat, it is a single-time alarm
[14:29] <Toobaz> and in the control after, you just say when it happens
[14:29] <kiko> right
[14:30] <Toobaz> how would you call the "sound" of an alarm?
[14:30] <jetsaredim> kiko: I just did what I thought was the standard PPA thing - was following the PPAQuickStart guide
[14:30] <kiko> bell? or sound?
[14:30] <kiko> jetsaredim, sure.
[14:30] <Toobaz> mmh..
[14:31] <Toobaz> no, ok, let's leave "Alarm:"
[14:31] <kiko> maybe Ring at: ?
[14:31] <Toobaz> YEAH
[14:32] <kiko> in portuguese "Tocar às:"
[14:32] <Toobaz> ok
[14:32] <Toobaz> (does "às" intend a date, a time, or both?)
[14:32] <kiko> a time
[14:32] <Toobaz> mmhh...
[14:32] <Toobaz> no
[14:33] <kiko> if it's a date it would be "em" I guess
[14:33] <kiko> Toobaz, ala?
[14:33]  * kiko fudges italian
[14:33] <Toobaz> I don't know what "ala" and "fudges" mean...
[14:33] <jetsaredim> kiko: how do I request this "purge"?
[14:34] <kiko> jetsaredim, Delete packages?
[14:35] <jetsaredim> I did
[14:35] <jetsaredim> but for some reason the files are still there
[14:35] <jetsaredim> https://launchpad.net/~jetsaredim/+archive?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=superseded
[14:36] <kiko> jetsaredim, it's because it takes some time for them to be deleted.
[14:36] <jetsaredim> if I try to re-dput the package up to try to rebuild it keeps getting rejected due to md5 mismatch with the files already there
[14:36] <jetsaredim> hm ok
[14:40] <Toobaz> kiko: if I start every translation comment with "# TRANSLATION: ", should this tag itself appear into the comment in the po files?
[14:41] <Toobaz> (I'm asking because it does)
[14:41] <kiko> Toobaz, hmmm, I don't know. danilos does though.
[14:42] <kiko> cprov-out, jetsaredim just needs to wait, right?
[14:42] <Toobaz> oops, true
[14:42] <danilos> Toobaz: yeah it will appear as well, but that should be too much of a problem (i.e. just make it "# Translators: this is blah blah...")
[14:42] <danilos> s/should/shouldn't/
[14:42] <Toobaz> ok
[14:48] <cprov-out> jetsaredim: the rule is simple, when the tarball reference disappear the details section (the hidden box) you can upload the same version again with different content, otherwise just bump the version and continue your life. FYI, the source will be removed tonight, around 3:00 UTC.
[15:14] <Toobaz> danilos, it happened exactly what you warned me about: the new translation files I'm uploading are in "need review" state and I got the "waiting for an admin" state. But I did check that the path is corresponding.
[15:15] <danilos> Toobaz: it takes a few hours for them to be auto-approved (at most 6 if you hit a really bad time when the previous run just finished), if that doesn't happen, please ping me again
[15:16] <Toobaz> ok, no problem... but in this case the launchpad message speaking about "admin" is quite imprecise. Anyway, thank you.
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #194404 in launchpad "Follow Remote Tracker's Marking of Duplicates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194404
[17:22] <comperr> stgraber, ping
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #194432 in soyuz "High number of timeouts on $person/+archive" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194432
[18:46] <ubotu> New bug: #194442 in rosetta "editlanguages language list unusuably small" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194442
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #194461 in launchpad "Clean up GPG signing process" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194461
[21:51] <RainCT> Hi
[21:51] <RainCT> is there some way to upload a file to a project on Launchpad other than the web interface?
[21:52] <RainCT> I'm trying to upload a 12MB tarball but get always a "Please try again   Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server." page
[22:12] <Rinchen> RainCT, did you get a LP error or was it a browser timeout?
[22:12] <Rinchen> bac, ^^
[22:14] <RainCT> Rinchen: LP error
[22:14] <bac> RainCT: Hi,the web interface is the only method.  I'll look into it.
[22:14] <Rinchen> RainCT, did you get an OOPS number by chance?
[22:14] <bac> RainCT: what project were you uploading to?
[22:16] <RainCT> bac: freevial
[22:16] <RainCT> and there is no OOPS :/
[22:17] <RainCT> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4902/plain
[22:17] <Rinchen> RainCT, thanks.
[22:18] <bac> RainCT: and you did try several times?  we're checking to see if there was an intermittent outage. what time did you have the problem?
[22:20] <RainCT> twice, it was when I got it the second time when I asked here
[22:21] <RainCT> (and there were probably some time between the two tries, as I left it running and went away)
[22:21] <RainCT> *was
[22:22] <RainCT> (and then tried the 2nd time when I came back)
[22:27] <Rinchen> RainCT, this is very interesting. Thanks for reporting it.
[22:28] <RainCT> Rinchen: no problem :)
[22:28] <RainCT> any idea about how long you thing it could take to get fixed?
[22:30] <Rinchen> RainCT, not yet. :-(  The page you are seeing only comes up in rare circumstances.
[22:44] <RainCT> uploaded now :)
[22:45] <bac> RainCT: yes, i just completed a test upload of a 13M file
[22:46] <bac> RainCT: how many times did your upload fail?
[22:47] <RainCT> two
[22:49] <mthaddon> RainCT, could you be any more specific about the timing of the 2 failures - it would really help us narrow down what might have gone wrong?
[22:49] <mthaddon> s/timing/time
[22:52] <RainCT> the second try failed around 22:45.. I might have started uploading it 10 minutes before or something like that, but I don't really know :/
[22:53] <mthaddon> RainCT, thx - that helps in any case
[22:53] <mthaddon> RainCT, which timezone are you?
[22:53] <RainCT> er, right.. UTC+1
[22:53] <mthaddon> thx
[22:53] <RainCT> np
[22:55] <Ubulette> woo, nice, ppa build logs now say: "Build started not available  on an unknown build machine"
[22:58] <Ubulette> unknown builder which is apparently not ntp synchronized.
[22:58] <Ubulette> (49 s in the future)
[22:59] <Rinchen> Ubulette, awesome. Can you take a screenshot of that and send it to launchpad-users please?
[22:59] <Rinchen> Ubulette, I'll see if someone might look at that next week.
[23:00] <Ubulette> too late
[23:00] <Rinchen> Ubulette, ok, I'll copy & paste into an email.
[23:00] <Ubulette> that was samarium btw
[23:00] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[23:02] <Rinchen> RainCT, what browser are you using?
[23:02] <Ubulette> it's fast now, i like it
[23:02] <RainCT> Rinchen: latest Firefox 3 from Hardy
[23:03] <Rinchen> RainCT, great thanks.  We found what appears to be a related error msg.  Trying to make sense of it now.
[23:11] <Rinchen> RainCT, we think we have it narrowed down to an apache issue (there's a bug filed against apache for something that we think might be the same). We're going to have our system admins look at it next week.
[23:13] <RainCT> Rinchen: great, thanks :)
[23:17] <RainCT> good night
[23:30] <ubotu> New bug: #194558 in launchpad "Project file uploads time-out but don't OOPS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194558


[06:51] <mup> PR operator#1087 opened: feat: when handling actions, print uncaught exceptions to stderr <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1087>


[10:36] <brousch> Good news everyone! Thanks to my whining, I am being moved to a Dreamhost server with Python 2.6.
[12:32] <jrwren> brousch: why not 3.2 ;]
[12:32] <jrwren> brousch: what features specifically are you looking forward to?
[13:19] <brousch> jrwren: pyramid dropped support for 2.5 in their most recent release. django is dropping it with the next release
[13:23] <jrwren> hrm.
[13:23] <jrwren> does it actually not run?
[13:23] <jrwren> or is it just not supported?
[14:41] <brousch> jrwren: django 1.5 and pyramid 1.3 are running the same codebase on 2.6, 2.7 and 3.2. apparently it's really hard to do that if you must also support 2.5, so they are dropping 2.5
[15:02] <brousch> link of the day, for rick_h_ http://nodephp.org/
[23:55] <snap-l> Good evening


[16:04] <mcb30> Hello!  I'm trying to debug how cloud-init handles network configuration in OpenStack.
[16:04] <mcb30> I see it correctly fetch the metadata from http://<IP_ADDRESS>/openstack/latest/network_data.json
[16:05] <mcb30> I have traced this as far as cloudinit.sources.DataSourceOpenStack.get_data()
[16:05] <mcb30> which then seems to simply throw away whatever was retrieved in results['networkdata']
[16:06] <mcb30> This fits with the fact that the log file shows "Applying network configuration from fallback ..."
[16:06] <mcb30> The end result is that cloud-init is totally ignoring whatever network configuration data is provided via the OpenStack metadata server
[16:06] <mcb30> Does anyone have any suggestions?
[16:07] <smoser> mcb30: currently cloud-init does not read network metadata from openstack datasource.
[16:07] <smoser> only from config drive.
[16:07] <smoser> we have a path forward to get there.
[16:07] <smoser> but doesnt do it right now.
[16:07] <smoser> so suggestion is "use config drive"
[16:08] <smoser> which i realize is less than wonderful.
[16:11] <mcb30> smoser: ok, thanks for saving me a few more hours of debugging :)
[16:11] <mcb30> So, is using a config drive the only way to get IPv6-enabled instances?
[16:11] <mcb30> (other than manually editing the generated ifcfg-eth0 file)
[16:17] <smoser> mcb30: yes, ant the moment.
[16:17] <smoser> its not a lot of work to make network metadata service work.
[16:17] <smoser> but just not there now
[16:32] <mcb30> smoser: can we help (either with a patch or some funding)?
[16:44] <smoser> mcb30: patches are for sure welcome.
[16:46] <smoser> and /me wishes he had a 'buy me a coffee or an ember coffee mug"
[16:54] <mcb30> Next problem (no longer a flaw in cloud-init): the network_data.json file that OpenStack creates on the config drive is missing the IPv6 configuration anyway :(
[16:54] <mcb30> The universe is determined not to let me get IPv6 working, but I shall defeat it
[16:55] <blackboxsw> word on the street mcb30 is that I'll be working on the openstack network config shortly :) (like this week)
[17:01] <mcb30> blackboxsw: awesome!
[17:02] <dpb1> I too would now like an ember coffee mug, thx smoser
[20:26] <dojordan> hey @smoser, any update on the lack of daily builds in azure? Is there someone I can follow up with about this?
[20:32] <smoser> dojordan: i'll push a bit.
[20:55] <smoser> dojordan: its in progress is all i can say.
[21:03] <blackboxsw> mcb30: if you get a chance, it'd be helpful if you have a more complex example of network_data.json that you were concerned wasn't working...    I'm working out an approach here, but wanted to make sure I handle your use case too.
[21:03] <blackboxsw> mcb30: wget http://<IP_ADDRESS>/openstack/latest/network_data.json -O - 2> /dev/null | json_pp | pastebinit    # that'd do it for me
[21:04] <blackboxsw> the initial image I'm playing with has only a single nic & ip
[21:05] <blackboxsw> but I'll be adding more simplistic examples of  multi-nic/ multi-ip vms
[21:14] <rharper> blackboxsw: I have a large collection on network_data.json examples, many of them are already encoded in the cloud-init network unittests
[21:14] <blackboxsw> oops, /me looks
[21:16] <blackboxsw> rharper: yeah my initial network_data.json doesn't really surface any ip infromation beyond DNS and # of macs
[21:16] <blackboxsw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26497259/
[21:17] <rharper> blackboxsw: look at say tests/unittests/test_net.py
[21:17] <rharper> the OS_SAMPLES
[21:19] <blackboxsw> it really looks like we might need to query using openstack or nova client libs to get the rest of the related info if presented with limited information like my openstack/network_data.json presents
[21:20] <rharper> why do you think that?
[21:21] <rharper> there's not a lot of config, it's links (devices), networks (ip and route), and dns
[21:21] <rharper> that's all there is, the links can be physical device, or various virtual devices (bridges, bonds, etc)
[21:21] <blackboxsw> my paste doesn't contain IP info https://paste.ubuntu.com/26497259/
[21:21] <blackboxsw> or I'm being dense
[21:21] <rharper> no, it's dhcp onlly
[21:22] <rharper> look at the datasource/openstack/helpers to see how we parse that
[21:22] <rharper> blackboxsw: also you can feed network_data.json into cloud-init/tools/net-convert
[21:22] <blackboxsw> yeah, I guess I expected I'd see public IP associations that I made for the instance as well.
[21:22] <rharper> for the openstack stuff, we're already  fully working AFAIK, what we're missing is the bring-up-an-interface-to-dhcp portion
[21:23] <rharper> and then, a fetch of the network_data.json since currenlty we only invoke the helper when we find a network_data.json in the configdrive part
[21:29]  * blackboxsw also wants to persist that data in instance-data.json for openstack
[21:35] <rharper> right, so, when get_data() runs, it needs to also crawl the 'network_data.json' value and keep that in the instance-data.json
[21:35] <rharper> +1 on the idea
[21:38] <mgerdts> I just did 'make rpm; rpm -Uvh cloud-init...rpm' and rebooted.  On reboot, it really wants to get metadata from http://<IP_ADDRESS>/2009-04-04, then from another IP address (the host of my VM).  I'm having troubles finding the magic to turn that off.
[21:41] <smoser> mgerdts: well, it       is looking for a datasource. do you have one ?
[21:41] <smoser> are you running on a cloud ?
[21:41] <mgerdts> Running on SmartOS
[21:42] <mgerdts> so I'm interested in the SmartOS data source, but not the others
[21:42] <smoser> you can configure it tonlyi search the smartos datasource.
[21:42] <mgerdts> In /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg, disable-ec2-metadata is present, the same place it is on an ubuntu 14.10 VM
[21:43] <smoser> but it will only end up hitting the network when it has failed to find smartos.
[21:43] <mgerdts> ok, that could explain it.  I'm getting a stack trace when it tries to get sdc:resolvers, as that's not configured in the host.
[21:43] <smoser> at least normally... 169.254 is ec2,and the other is i suspect CloudStack.  both of which should run after smartos by default.
[21:44] <smoser> yeah. then that is the problem. hm..
[21:44] <smoser> mgerdts: can you file a bug and provide the metadata you see there ?
[21:44] <mgerdts> seems as though DNS should be an optional part of network configuration - probably missing an exception handler
[21:44] <mgerdts> sure, will do.
[21:46] <mgerdts> FWIW, I'm happy to work on this a bit.  I'm working on bringing bhyve to smartos and investigating whether cloud-init would be the easiest way to configure networking on the various other distros.  Our ubuntu images already use it.
[21:49] <blackboxsw> +1. many hands make light work
[21:57] <smoser> mgerdts: yeah, it really should be pretty easy.
[21:59] <mgerdts> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1746605
[22:01] <mgerdts> Thanks for the help smoser.  Will work up a fix and be back later.
[23:08] <blackboxsw> rharper: thx for the test tips for OS references. otherwise I would've spent all day trying to setup and reproduce different configs
[23:09] <blackboxsw> ok things looking reasonable to set this up and move the OpenStackdatasource to Local stage.


[06:13] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:22] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:25]  * nlsthzn_work waves
[06:26] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn_work
[06:31] <nlsthzn_work> Alo
[07:47] <nuvolari> :-/
[07:47] <nuvolari> o/ everyone
[07:50] <nuvolari> nothing worse than coming  home, about to feed the landlord's cats and discovered they left the poodle's excrete and urine for me to clean up (in the dining room)
[07:51]  * nuvolari feels a but out of touch with life
[07:51] <Kilos> eish
[07:51] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[07:52] <nlsthzn_work> So nuvolari is on poop duty... it happens...
[07:52] <Kilos> lol
[07:52] <superfly> nuvolari: faeces ;-)
[07:52] <superfly> nlsthzn_work: I don't think nuvolari is ready for real life... with dogs, cats and *children*
[07:52] <Kilos> lol
[07:53] <nlsthzn_work> I don't think anyone is really ever ready :)
[07:53] <superfly> I'll take cleaning up dog poo in the dining room over the midnight dirty nappy
[07:55]  * superfly heads out to go grocery shopping
[07:55] <nuvolari> hmm.   USA's problem: "Dude where is all the money? Oh, we spent it on iTunes and iPads."
[17:13] <Kilos> lol
[17:29] <nlsthzn> Problem is USA's problems becomes everyones problems :/
[17:30] <nuvolari> ya :-/
[17:31] <nlsthzn> Disk almost burnt... time for me to try out Frugalware properly...
[17:32] <nlsthzn> here I played with it in VBox... my lappy suffered with Unity and Gnome 3 (shell) at the same time :p - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4znKHMJkeEw
[17:40] <Kilos> lol you enjoy playing aroung nlsthzn
[17:40] <Kilos> you want work, figure out how to make my pidgin work to blackberry's bbm
[17:40] <Kilos> without me first registering a bb
[17:41] <nuvolari> whokom bb oom?
[17:41] <nuvolari> Kilos: ^^
[17:42] <Kilos> my boet en skoonsus en hulle kinders sit op bbm hele tyd en kom min mxit to
[17:52] <nuvolari> ah :-/
[17:53] <nuvolari> oom moet hulle op gmail kry
[17:53] <nuvolari> :P
[17:53] <nuvolari> dan kan hulle gtalk gebruik
[17:53] <Kilos> hulle like van bb
[17:53] <Kilos> en dis te veel werk om ander goed op die foon te kry
[17:58] <superfly> Kilos: you can't make anything talk BBM other than a BlackBerry
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah superfly but worth a try
[17:59] <Kilos> maybe someone hacks one one day
[17:59] <superfly> it's their proprietary messaging system which uses their own servers and a hardware ID linked to the physical phone
[17:59] <Kilos> yeah actually quite good
[18:18] <Kilos> sleep tight everyone
[18:18] <Kilos> see ya morrow time
[19:02] <nuvolari> Maaz: convert USD0.05 to ZAR
[19:02] <Maaz> nuvolari: I can't do that: Unknown unit 'USD0.0'
[19:02] <nuvolari> Maaz: convert USD 0.05 to ZAR
[19:02] <Maaz> nuvolari: USD 0.05 = 0.34722222 ZAR
[19:03] <nuvolari> Maaz: convert USD 0.17 to ZAR
[19:03] <Maaz> nuvolari: USD 0.17 = 1.1805556 ZAR
[19:30] <nlsthzn> alo... any geeks patrolling tonight?
[19:36] <nuvolari> o/
[19:36] <nuvolari> lo nlsthzn
[19:36] <nuvolari> i'm just around
[19:36] <nuvolari> nothing serious :P
[19:36] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: hey...
[19:36] <nlsthzn> Maybe you have a clue...
[19:37] <nlsthzn> gnome,from the login screen I get graphical glitch... looks like many desktops overlapping, fonts fuzzy... can't read anything... any idea what could cause something like this
[19:37] <nlsthzn> ?
[19:37] <nlsthzn> Can't get a tty's
[19:38] <nlsthzn> only get black screens when I switch
[19:39] <nuvolari> :o
[19:39] <nuvolari> sounds bad
[19:40] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: did it happen after an upgrade?
[19:40] <nlsthzn> fresh install (but I have to confes it isn't Ubuntu :/)
[19:40] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: the only thing I can think of is that your Xorg config got messed up
[19:40] <nuvolari> ah
[19:40] <nuvolari> which distro?
[19:40] <nlsthzn> Frugalware
[19:41]  * nuvolari se tong sleep
[19:41] <nuvolari> eh?
[19:41] <nuvolari> whats that?
[19:41] <nlsthzn> Was able to get it working easily in VBox...
[19:41] <nlsthzn> www.frugalware.org
[19:42] <nuvolari> ooh
[19:42] <nuvolari> looks pretty
[19:43] <nuvolari> :D
[19:43] <nuvolari> anyway,
[19:43] <nlsthzn> :) Yup, it does look nice... when you can see it properly...
[19:44] <nlsthzn> I can't even get the kernel option text to bypass gdm ...
[19:44] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: to get back to the point. I had a similar experience a while ago where gnome got messed up, so I deleted my .cache and .config folder... which was a bit painful since I lost a lot of tweaked settings)
[19:45] <nuvolari> but if you say it's a fresh install... i'm afraid I don't have any other quick-fix
[19:45] <nuvolari> definitely sounds like a borked default xorg config
[19:46] <nlsthzn> hmmm... so I should be able to do that... without really being able to see the terminal :p
[19:46] <nlsthzn> they are under ~/my name right?
[19:46] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: frugalware seems nice!
[19:47] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: ya, ~/.config
[19:47] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: I think I just emptied them, not removed the actual folders
[19:47] <nlsthzn> oh yes...
[19:47] <nlsthzn> hmmm... so I shouldnt rm -r .cache
[19:47] <nlsthzn> ?
[19:47] <nuvolari> well, try
[19:48] <nuvolari> rm -rf ~/.cache/*
[19:48] <nuvolari> and config
[19:49] <nuvolari> ~/.config/*
[19:49] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: hmm, but this is even before you log in eh?
[19:49] <nlsthzn> yup
[19:49] <nlsthzn> this is from the log in manager
[19:49] <nuvolari> which by removing those, I don't think will solve anything
[19:49] <nlsthzn> and I can't get a tty, they are all black screens
[19:50] <nlsthzn> nope, that didn't do anything
[19:50] <nuvolari> :-/ not having a tty is a big fail
[19:50] <nuvolari> it's like having your throat removed
[19:50] <nlsthzn> yup... and i am unable to get gdm not to log into gui automatically
[19:50] <nlsthzn> nothing i send the kernel seems to work :p
[19:51] <nuvolari> hmm. for now... retreat to something like Arch :P
[19:51] <nuvolari> or try freeBSD :P
[19:51] <nlsthzn> :)
[19:52] <nuvolari> in fact, try anything that *do* have a terminal to tinker with :P (besides window's cmd)
[19:52] <nuvolari> hehe, sorry nlsthzn, I'm not much of help tonight
[19:52] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: thanks for trying... it is appreciated
[19:52] <nlsthzn> I will do what the windows user in me is screaming for...
[19:53] <nlsthzn> re-install :p
[19:55] <nuvolari> lol
[19:55] <nuvolari> well, sometimes it works
[19:56] <nuvolari> do you have install options? like enabling/disabling stuff?
[19:56] <nlsthzn> I can choose packages...
[19:56] <nlsthzn> but it is a minimum install... which worked...
[19:56] <nlsthzn> then I installed gnome ... this is when the sports started |:p
[19:58] <nlsthzn> will again install gnome 3, but edit so it doesn't start gui from boot...
[20:13] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4znKHMJkeEw for a look at Frugalware
[20:19] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: maybe try openbox first
[20:19] <nuvolari> then if it works, move up to gnome
[20:19]  * nuvolari checks video
[20:19] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: hehe... ok :)
[20:22] <nuvolari> the guy singing in the video has throat issues. needs a strepsil
[20:22] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: :p I will be sure to pass the message on to Jono
[20:23] <nuvolari> lol
[20:23] <nuvolari> which one is Jono's voice?
[20:25] <nuvolari> I don't like music where the singer's voice sounds like 50-grain sandpaper rubbed against a wall
[20:25] <nuvolari> so hopefully his voice is the 2nd voice :P
[20:26] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: he does all vocals...
[20:26] <nlsthzn> lots of videos of Severed Fifth on youtube... :)
[20:26] <nlsthzn> me likes 'em
[20:26] <nlsthzn> oh, and Frugalware looks good out of the box (when it works)
[20:30] <nuvolari> :P "Severed (fif)th[roat]"
[20:30] <nuvolari> ok, I'll stop
[20:31] <nuvolari> good thing that tastes differ
[20:32] <nuvolari> calling it a day
[20:32] <nuvolari> i'm out
[20:33] <nuvolari> good luck with your setup nlsthzn
[20:33] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: thanks, and night
[20:48] <nlsthzn> maaz tell nuvolari just added nomodeset to get it to work :D
[20:48] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Sure, I'll tell nuvolari on freenode
[22:10] <superfly> fp
[22:14] <nlsthzn> ?


[00:26] <stevendebaets> hi everybody
[00:26] <stevendebaets> i've been here before this evening, but i have another problem now
[00:28] <stevendebaets> i can't login in spreadubuntu using m openID
[00:29] <stevendebaets> anybody here?
[00:29] <Takyoji> Yes
[00:29] <Takyoji> Apparently you're the second person today that's expressed being able to login via OpenID
[00:29] <Takyoji> I mean
[00:29] <Takyoji> NOT being able to login via OpenID*
[00:30] <stevendebaets> oh hi again takyoji
[00:30] <stevendebaets> well it's my first time that i'm trying to login in the drupal 6 site
[00:31] <stevendebaets> is there anything i can do?
[00:32] <Takyoji> not to my awareness at this moment
[00:34] <Takyoji> So the last time you tired to login was about over a month ago?
[00:34] <Takyoji> For some odd reason I don't see an OpenID identity associated with your account
[00:35] <Takyoji> Same case as the last person
[00:36] <stevendebaets> i think it was on 8th of july or something
[00:36] <stevendebaets> https://launchpad.net/~stevendebaets
[00:36] <stevendebaets> this is my account
[00:37] <stevendebaets> well, my openid login at launchpad
[00:38] <Takyoji> yea
[00:38] <stevendebaets> it works perfectly in launchpad
[00:39] <stevendebaets> i'm logged in in launchpad at the moment
[00:40] <Takyoji> Yea, it's just that your OpenID account isn't associated with your SpreadUbuntu account on SpreadUbuntu
[00:41] <Takyoji> and so a workaround might have to be done to add your OpenID account to your SpreadUbuntu account since there isn't really any available method of doing such currently as it seemed.
[00:41] <Takyoji> seems*
[00:43] <stevendebaets> okay, but how can i do that when i can't log in in SpreadUbuntu?
[00:43] <Takyoji> Yes, that's what the problem is. And it's going to need someone with DB access to manually associate your OpenID with your SpreadUbuntu account on SpreadUbuntu.
[00:43] <Takyoji> as the situation currently appears
[00:44] <Takyoji> In fact I'll be sure to send you an email when this issue gets resolved.
[00:44] <stevendebaets> Maybe I can ask Evan Boldt
[00:45] <Takyoji> I've already notified him. I have administrative privileges on Drupal on SpreadUbuntu; but it would require direct DB access which he most likely will have. I've already notified him of the person earlier with the same issue, just haven't gotten a response yet.
[00:46] <stevendebaets> Okay, thanks Takyoji
[00:46] <stevendebaets> I'll have to wait for his response then
[00:57] <Takyoji> Got a response
[00:57] <Takyoji> Try: http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/user
[00:58] <Takyoji> erm
[00:58] <Takyoji> Yea, that should work
[01:00] <stevendebaets> nope, got a 404
[01:01] <Takyoji> For going to that page?
[01:02] <stevendebaets> oops sorry no
[01:02] <stevendebaets> i got to the page, tried logging in and got a 403-access denied
[01:03] <stevendebaets> tried again - access denied
[01:03] <Takyoji> Are you just using a username for the username, or were you trying your OpenID or email address?
[01:03] <Takyoji> Because it should just be your username
[01:03] <stevendebaets> just the username
[01:04] <stevendebaets> got it - i'm in
[01:04] <Takyoji> Alright, then go to the tab for OpenID, and see if you can associate your OpenID account
[01:07] <stevendebaets> i can't see any tab for openID
[01:07] <Takyoji> Do you see "My account" on the bottom left?
[01:07] <Takyoji> such as on the homepage
[01:07] <stevendebaets> yes
[01:07] <Takyoji> Click on that.
[01:07] <stevendebaets> did that
[01:08] <Takyoji> Then "OpenID Identities" at the top
[01:08] <Takyoji> which is along with: View, Edit, OpenID Identities, and Track
[01:08] <Takyoji> It's the tabs that run horizontally
[01:08] <stevendebaets> no, i only got view, edit and track...
[01:09] <Takyoji> Awkward
[01:09] <stevendebaets> strange huh
[01:10] <stevendebaets> 3 buttons only
[01:10] <Takyoji> I'll have to look further into the issue yet
[01:11] <stevendebaets> maybe i haven't got permissions to see that tab, cos' i'm only an 'authenticated user'
[01:12] <Takyoji> That's what I was going to look for
[01:12] <Takyoji> otherwise you're additionally labeled as an administrator for some reason. :P
[01:12] <Takyoji> Not sure if that's a bug or anything.
[01:17] <stevendebaets> the main thing is that i can login again using that link
[01:17] <stevendebaets> thanks
[01:17] <Takyoji> Yea, which will be useful for the time-being
[01:18] <stevendebaets> okay takyoji, i hope i don't have to disturb you again today...
[01:18] <stevendebaets> see you around
[01:18] <Takyoji> It's not disturbing me at all. :P
[01:18] <Takyoji> I'm always available for assistance
[01:20] <stevendebaets> Thanks again, if there is anything i can do... you know where to find me
[01:20] <Takyoji> Yes


[20:29] <irishman2020> I'm having trouble getting thunderbird to connect via davmail to my exchange server.  what information would be good to provide to get assistance?
[22:07] <fta> !karmic
[22:07] <ubot2> Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) was the eleventh release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ - Release Notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910
[22:07] <fta> !eol
[22:07] <ubot2> End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[22:07] <fta> pff
[22:08] <micahg> fta: karmic and hardy desktop EOL are end of April
[22:09] <fta> thanks, wanted to confirmed karmic was also out in april
[22:09] <fta> -ed


[21:12] <ajmitch> morning
[21:33] <snail> mōrena
[21:40] <chilts> morning
[22:15] <chilts> I just noticed that lots of programs are now putting their config into ~/config/ instead of literring ~/
[22:15] <chilts> anyone know if this is becoming a bit of a standard?
[22:15] <chilts> that would be cool if so, since then I could put that in Git easily (though I already have my dotfiles in Git, that would be easier)
[22:16] <chilts> littering :)
[22:16] <ajmitch> .config is a standard, yes
[22:17] <chilts> oh right ... maybe I should start using it
[22:17] <ajmitch> as is .local/share/
[22:17] <chilts> I usually just do something like ~/.<programname>(rc|cfg|ini)?
[22:17] <ajmitch> XDG standard from freedesktop.org, I think
[22:17] <chilts> so now I'll do ~/.config/...etc...
[22:17] <chilts> sweet, thanks :)
[22:18] <chilts> and ~/.local/share/ would be for what purpose? I see it has a 'Trash' in it (that'll never take off) :D
[22:22] <ajmitch> I know that ~/.local/share/applications is used for .desktop files
[22:25] <ajmitch> the other main one used is ~/.cache, not as important as the others
[22:26] <mwhudson> fmarier, chilts: drinks next week?
[22:28] <chilts> yeah, I'd be keen :)
[22:28] <chilts> I haven't had a beer in 6 months though ... so not sure either what I'd drink or if I did, how long I'd last :)
[22:30] <mwhudson> other beverages are available
[22:30] <mwhudson> (i imagine)
[22:36] <thumper> morning
[23:54] <Atamira> morena


[18:45] <seattlegaucho> althara: your recommendation to use spideroak a while back for online backup was on the spot ... thx!
[18:47] <althara> While I love getting apreciation for things that I do, it was not me that recommended that to you. Perhaps if was valorie. :)
[19:06] <seattlegaucho> nope ... she wasn't ... hmm
[19:06]  * seattlegaucho goes into his logs
[19:08] <seattlegaucho> althara: you were right ... it was valorie who brought it up
[19:08]  * seattlegaucho owes yet another thank you not to valorie
[19:08] <seattlegaucho> s/not/note/
[19:08] <althara> valorie is awesome :)
[19:34] <MarkDude> althara, +1
[22:22] <valorie> \o/
[22:22] <valorie> I'm liking it so far also, even though my connection is so slow it's laughable....
[22:23] <valorie> I think comcast is throttling, the basta*&s
[23:02] <seattlegaucho> I haven't proved it yet ... but comcast throttles
[23:03] <seattlegaucho> every time I have to do heavy downloads ... I notice that things start to slowdown quite a bit after 1hr or so
[23:37] <valorie> well, this is uploading
[23:38] <valorie> but it would be hell to restore from a backup at this rate!
[23:38] <valorie> weeks, literally