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[04:02] <Treenaks> /topic anyone?
[04:32] <zul> hey seb128
[04:32] <seb128> afternoon
[04:51] <Treenaks> hi seb
[04:57] <sivang> hi sabdfl :)
[04:57] <sabdfl> evening sivang
[04:57] <Treenaks> hi sabdfl
[04:58] <sabdfl> ready for today's cc meeting?
[04:58] <sabdfl> let's give everyone a few minutes to get together
[04:58] <mako> whoa
[04:58] <sabdfl> hey mako
[04:58] <mako> sabdfl: hey
[04:59] <Kamion> here
[05:01] <Kamion> not sure we're getting elmo today
[05:01] <mako> done
[05:02] <sabdfl> hi kamion, saw those uploads this morning
[05:02] <sabdfl> should we get going?
[05:02] <sabdfl> smurfix, you around?
[05:03] <smurfix> yep
[05:03] <mako> and perhaps to ratify it if that's something we need to do
[05:03] <sabdfl> the agenda suggests smurfix will intro the country-teams idea
[05:03] <sabdfl> smurfix: happy to do so? if so, go ahead
[05:04] <smurfix> ok
[05:04] <mako> wait one second
[05:04] <smurfix> (still typing slowly ;-)
[05:04] <sivang> heheh
[05:04] <mako> i think it might be better to first introduce the notes from the NM bof
[05:04] <sivang> sabdfl: ready as could be.
[05:04] <sabdfl> mako: go ahead
[05:04] <smurfix> mako: OK, makes sense
[05:04] <mako> because the new distctions between groups have a bearing on the way that this is done
[05:04] <sabdfl> righ
[05:04] <sabdfl> t
[05:04] <mako> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[05:05] <mako> those are the super notes written up by plov
[05:05] <sabdfl> by way of background to folks who weren't in mataro
[05:05] <mako> right
[05:05] <sabdfl> we had a great session brainstorming on our maintainer process
[05:05] <sabdfl> and i think the result is excellent
[05:05] <mako> those notes they read pretty well as a summary of the conclusion we came to
[05:06] <sabdfl> it balances the need to empower people early on, with the need to keep the team technically exceptional
[05:06] <mako> but the basic problem we were trying to solve was to find a way to recognize the contributions of people who are not developers or package maintainers
[05:06] <mako> and to enfranchise them within the governnance system
[05:06] <sabdfl> and recognises that there are lots of ways people participate, and gives those people a voice
[05:06] <mako> the document will do a better job than what t i can type now
[05:06] <mako> but the basic idea is that we have members who are recognized by this body
[05:07] <mako> and they will be able to confirm new members of the CC
[05:07] <mako> and they should have contributed meaningful to the community
[05:07] <mako> but they do not need to be package maintainers
[05:07] <mako> the rest of the system is basically the same as before
[05:07] <Kamion> procedurally, as I understand it, this means we approve members and then pass them to the TB for technical approval if they want to go one step further up; this reads as a codification of what we've been informally doing up to now
[05:07] <mako> except that maintainer is now a purely technical distinction
[05:08] <mako> Kamion: i'd prefer to think of it as a lateral step, but yes :)
[05:08] <Kamion> either way :)
[05:08] <sabdfl> also clarifies the distinction between committer and maintainer
[05:08] <mako> Kamion: it was unclear what to do with non-technical applicants in the past
[05:08] <mako> right
[05:08] <sabdfl> and allows for commit rights to be given on specific components or packages
[05:09] <mako> as a result, we have a couple people on the agenda for today who are applying for member status in the community but who are not currently pursuing TB approval to upload
[05:09] <sabdfl> mako: i think we should write this up as a formal doc and have it approved by the cc
[05:09] <mako> and these are connected to thehe country teams as well
[05:09] <mako> sabdfl: and then move it into the website governance page/pages
[05:10] <mako> yeah, that sounds ideal.. i think that doc provides most of what we need
[05:10] <sabdfl> we can get going right away with new members, on the basis that the cc were all there
[05:10] <mako> sabdfl: i'll have that ready for the next CC meeting
[05:10] <sabdfl> mako: great, thanks!
[05:10] <sabdfl> any initial comments from folks who were not at the mataro sessions?
[05:11] <mako> it's also worth mentioning that there was some good work done on mentoring processes by Chris Haas
[05:11] <mako> who is going to be helping out with a mentoring system for ubuntu.. really great work
[05:11] <sabdfl> yes
[05:12] <sabdfl> folks who are keen to become committers or maintainers would benefit greatly from spending some time with ChrisH
[05:12] <sabdfl> also, we agreed to review very quickly any proposed packages from new maintainer candidates
[05:12] <ChrisH> You are all invited for a pizza. ;)
[05:12] <Kamion> I'm particularly glad to see that because it will mean that much of the mentoring process doesn't have to start with Canonical staff who are already heavily committed in many cases
[05:12] <sabdfl> but the actual detailed back and forth to get a package up to scratch if it isn't right first time is best handled by the mentoring process
[05:12] <Treenaks> ChrisH: where? :)
[05:13] <Kamion> proposed packages> was it within two days or so?
[05:13] <sabdfl> two working, i think
[05:13] <sabdfl> mako, could you document the process on that front as well too please?
[05:13] <Kamion> I think we should agree to at least get back to them with feedback within that time; there'll be cases of very large packages which take a long time to review
[05:13] <sabdfl> we'll need some sort of workflow to track that commitment
[05:13] <Kamion> the key is to not leave people stalled during the review process
[05:14] <mako> sabdfl: yes, of course
[05:14] <sabdfl> agreed
[05:14] <sabdfl> any other comments on the new maintainer process?
[05:15] <mako> not right now
[05:16] <mako> i'll send the draft to -devel
[05:16] <sivang> we just need some good, accessible docs for it I guess
[05:16] <mako> so we can take discussion onto the lists
[05:16] <sabdfl> good idea
[05:16] <mako> let move on
[05:16] <mako> smurfix: you're up
[05:16] <sabdfl> do we have any members up for approval?
[05:17] <mako> smurfix: only connected to doc team work
[05:17] <sivang> and country teams :)
[05:17] <mako> sabdfl: ^^^
[05:17] <mako> i meant country teams
[05:17] <sabdfl> right
[05:17] <smurfix> So, back to country teams, as those who are on the CC agenda today want to become team leaders ;-)
[05:17] <mako> two thinkos
[05:18] <Treenaks> smurfix: yes
[05:18] <Kamion> looks like Treenaks and sivang are both up for membership approval?
[05:18] <smurfix> Many of the country teams basically organized themselves -- we want to take advantage of that, recognize their contributions, and make that a more integrated part of Ubuntu
[05:18] <Treenaks> Kamion: right
[05:18] <smurfix> The technical side of "what we want from the country team" is on the CountryTeams wiki page
[05:19] <Kamion> the NM bof notes equate Ubuntite with activist, so that may not be the best term for use on the agenda
[05:19] <mako> Kamion: i changed it
[05:19] <smurfix> basically, IRC and mailing list and maybe a forum and whatnot
[05:19] <mako> reload
[05:19] <Kamion> mako: aha, thanks
[05:19] <sabdfl> can we agree on Ubuntite?
[05:20] <sabdfl> oh, there's a zillion typos waiting to happen there...
[05:20] <Kamion> I think my main concern for country teams is that there should be somebody responsible for liaising with the primarily English-speaking development community as necessary
[05:20] <mako> sabdfl: nothing we aren't used to :)
[05:20] <Kamion> we can follow ubuntu-users (mostly ...), but generally not ubuntu-nl etc.
[05:20] <smurfix> also it might make sense for Ubuntu to have a common second-level domain names if at all possible
[05:20] <mako> Kamion: oh, good idea!
[05:21] <sabdfl> we could do nl.ubuntulinux.org etc very easily
[05:21] <mako> Kamion: we can have them send summaries to be included in traffic!
[05:21] <Kamion> that would be good
[05:21] <sabdfl> but i think it's more effective to have domains that match standard practice in that country
[05:21] <Treenaks> Kamion: in what way? for "localization needs"?
[05:21] <sivang> why not having localized ubuntu domains?
[05:21] <sabdfl> mako: great idea
[05:21] <mako> that would be *great*
[05:21] <smurfix> which the team leaders can help orgainze, though happily I co-own an ISP which does international domain registrations *grin*
[05:21] <sivang> sabdfl: I have already started doing that :) as of my conversation with lu from last week.
[05:21] <Kamion> Treenaks: users frequently report bugs on the users mailing list
[05:22] <smurfix> you all type way too fast for me ;-)
[05:22] <Treenaks> Kamion: oh stuff like that.. yeah forwarding/translating those would be an idea :)
[05:22] <smurfix> we might want to make that Wiki list-of-stuff a more integral part of the site later; for now I've started the CountryTeamList page ten minutes ago
[05:22] <sabdfl> also, to help coordinate the migration of code into the main distro, like input methods and font decisions etc
[05:23] <smurfix> sabdfl: that too, yes
[05:23] <sivang> sabdfl: the thing is, we need to see what std. form those localized sites can take, if to follow the main layout of ulinux.org etc, or have their own layout at the moment.
[05:23] <Kamion> and to act as points of contact on geopolitical issues
[05:23] <Kamion> although sometimes external observers may be less biased; it depends
[05:24] <sabdfl> i think we want to be as empowering as possible
[05:24] <mako> there are tons of things that the team can do
[05:24] <sabdfl> which means offer people the use fo the official artwork and css if they want, but also let them to anything else if they think it suits their community better
[05:24] <Kamion> agreed
[05:24] <mako> but if it's only to provide an interface between existing ubuntu community and the rest of the project, it's owrthwhile
[05:24] <sabdfl> Kamion: hot button :-)
[05:24] <smurfix> My list of the social part of the country team leader's responsibility so far:
[05:25] <mako> i think we can think pretty big.. each team will be different
[05:25] <smurfix> - be visible in the local community, of course ;-)
[05:25] <Kamion> sabdfl: indeed - an important one for many countries though
[05:25] <smurfix> - keep a list of regional contacts
[05:25] <smurfix> - remind people of / enforce the CoC if necessary
[05:25] <sivang> smurfix: CoC = ?
[05:25] <Kamion> code of conduct
[05:25] <Treenaks> Code of Conduct
[05:25] <sivang> eh
[05:25] <sivang> :0
[05:25] <sivang> :)
[05:26] <sabdfl> i'd like the country teams to have a high visibility on our home page
[05:26] <sabdfl> we thought of flags, but that can be too divisive
[05:26] <mako> sabdfl:  a map?
[05:26] <sabdfl> and we may have to refer to the teams as "regional teams" rather than country teams
[05:26] <sivang> sabdfl: maybe a special section for the country team, like "Ubuntu in your country,lang etc"
[05:26] <smurfix> the other stuff on my llist has already been mentioned while I was busy typing ;-)
[05:26] <sivang> *teams
[05:26] <Kamion> flags *definitely* best avoided
[05:27] <Kamion> likewise maps indicating country borders; you can go to jail in some countries for that (!)
[05:27] <Treenaks> sabdfl: yes, I notice lots of Flemish people (who also speak Dutch) come to the Dutch support
[05:27] <Treenaks> sabdfl: so it's more a language thing than a country thing for me
[05:27] <sabdfl> lithping ever thinth?
[05:28] <smurfix> Treenaks: the distinction between these two isna't always readily apparent
[05:28] <smurfix> isn't
[05:28] <Treenaks> smurfix: true..
[05:28] <mako> i think we can push this convesation to the lists or put it on hold until afterwards
[05:28] <mako> i think mark's suggestion to have good visible on the website is a good idea
[05:29] <mako> we just need to iron out how to do it correctly
[05:29] <sabdfl> ok, but let's at least publically thank the guys who have stepped up so far
[05:29] <smurfix> anyway, that's it from me, for now.
[05:29] <sabdfl> and invite them to have a say in ubuntu as members
[05:29] <mako> we can do that
[05:29] <mako> it's even on the agenda :)
[05:29] <sabdfl> is niels around?
[05:30] <Treenaks> who is he on irc?
[05:30] <mako> i don't know his nick
[05:30] <mako> does anyone know Niels Kjller Hansen's nick?
[05:30] <sabdfl> nope
[05:30] <sabdfl> he doesn't have a wiki page
[05:31] <mako> then we can defer that decision unitl the next kmeeting
[05:31] <mako> i think both sivang and Treenaks should be uncontroversial :)
[05:31] <Treenaks> Whee :)
[05:31] <sabdfl> kamion?
[05:32] <sivang> yey! :)
[05:32] <mako> sivang and Treenaks were both at the conference and did good work there and both have been active in trying to help define what a country team is through planning and example
[05:33] <Kamion> sabdfl: I don't, sorry
[05:33] <sabdfl> Kamion: que?
[05:33] <Kamion> neils' nick
[05:33] <sabdfl> ah
[05:33] <Kamion> niels, sorry
[05:34] <sivang> hehe
[05:34] <mako> can we confirm them?
[05:34] <sabdfl> i was just checking if you were also happy with treenaks and sivang
[05:34] <mako> or are thehere more questions?
[05:34] <Kamion> oh, yes, I met them both and I'm fine with both
[05:34] <sabdfl> i'm thrilled with both of their contributions too
[05:34] <sabdfl> welcome aboard, both of you
[05:34] <Treenaks> thanks
[05:34] <sivang> sabdfl: thank you!
[05:34] <sivang> thanks all
[05:34] <smurfix> sivang, Treenaks: could you update the draft list at CountryTeamList? (Though not at the same time please ;-)
[05:34] <sivang> smurfix: sure thing
[05:35] <mako> Treenaks, sivang: you have the privledge/difficulty of defining the rules of this as you go :)
[05:35] <Treenaks> mako: cool :)
[05:35] <sivang> :)
[05:35] <mako> you should stay in touch withs smurfix and myself who can bring your experience into best practices for groups that come after you :)
[05:35] <sabdfl> smurfix: would you like to play a more general role in the country teams?
[05:35] <sabdfl> did you take this one on?
[05:36] <smurfix> sabdfl: dure
[05:36] <mako> sabdfl: he did at the marketing meeting
[05:36] <smurfix> sure
[05:36] <sabdfl> ok, let's document that on the wiki and site
[05:36] <mako> smurfix: i mean, i don't want to speak for you :)
[05:36] <sabdfl> yes, i recall, was just looking for the bof notes :-)
[05:36] <sabdfl> this is a very exciting step
[05:36] <smurfix> sabdfl: I'll update the pages as appropriate over the next couple days
[05:36] <sabdfl> we set a high goal: 50 countries for Hoary, right?
[05:37] <sabdfl> mako: i think this warrants a mail to -devel and -users as well
[05:37] <smurfix> sabdfl: right.
[05:37] <mako> sabdfl: at least
[05:37] <sabdfl> i'd rather concentrate things there than -announce for the moment
[05:37] <mako> smurfix: lets work together to get announcment out by the end of thehe week
[05:37] <sabdfl> because we want it to reach people who are active
[05:38] <Treenaks> smurfix: updated
[05:38] <mako> ther eis also -news
[05:39] <mako> i think we've fallen off the end of the agenda
[05:39] <smurfix> mako: Can you write a first draft?
[05:39] <sabdfl> let's stick to -devel and -users for the moment
[05:39] <mako> smurfix: sure..
[05:40] <mako> speaking of...
[05:40] <mako> TB meeitng next week?
[05:40] <smurfix> sivang: ping me when you're done editing the list page ?
[05:40] <mako> sabdfl: postponed?
[05:40] <sivang> smurfix: k
[05:40] <sabdfl> mako: yes, i think so, can check with mdz later
[05:40] <mako> sabdfl: alright.. we shoudl make an announcment
[05:40] <mako> sabdfl: if it is postponed
[05:41] <sabdfl> ok, and update the wiki page
[05:41] <sabdfl> i'll update the wiki agenda pages now
[05:41] <sabdfl> any other business?
[05:41] <mako> that's all i have now
[05:41] <Kamion> nothing from me
[05:41] <sivang> sec
[05:41] <mako> jan 4 same time
[05:41] <sabdfl> sivang had a last question, worth mentioning here
[05:41] <mako> ?
[05:42] <mako> go ahead
[05:42] <sivang> What about localized websites? What if a country team cannot provide the hosting himself? will canonical be in help of that?
[05:42] <sabdfl> what sorts of things could help?
[05:42] <Kamion> do we have sufficient plone suport for that?
[05:42] <Kamion> "support"
[05:42] <sabdfl> not easily
[05:43] <sabdfl> plone is sort of all or nothing
[05:43] <Treenaks> stuff like automatic browser language detection?
[05:43] <sabdfl> hmm... yes i tihnk it does that
[05:43] <mako> there are two ways of handlin this
[05:43] <sabdfl> so we can have pages in the main site that are translated, and served correctly
[05:43] <ChrisH> I remember someone in Mataro said it would be possible to provide the same pages (of www.ubuntulinux.org) in different languages.
[05:43] <Kamion> was thinking more of being able to store the localised version of a page with the English one
[05:43] <mako> jane and lulu and i talked at the conference about getting someone to handle website improvements and such
[05:43] <mako> this sort of thing would be on the top of the list
[05:43] <Kamion> rather than just kludging _nl onto the end of every page :)
[05:44] <sivang> I was speaking, could we get webspace over a cnonical server? :) or firms which we can interest in supporting ubuntu in that way?
[05:44] <Treenaks> Kamion: that'd suck :)
[05:44] <smurfix> I can setup something on my hosted machine for people who need a place for hosting
[05:44] <sabdfl> we could also sponsor a web server for those country teams that need one, with virtual hosts for them
[05:44] <mako> currently, folks just have translated pages in wikis and on their ownm servers
[05:44] <Treenaks> Kamion: the tacking-on-_nl thing
[05:44] <sivang> sabdfl: my thought exactly :)
[05:44] <mako> sabdfl: might be nice
[05:44] <Kamion> Treenaks: indeed
[05:44] <sabdfl> it would have limited shell support i imagine, but be good enough for website hosting
[05:44] <ChrisH> Let's keep the localised versions on the same server. No use to have a seperat server on the internet for each lang.
[05:44] <mako> sabdfl: but almost all i've seen had php
[05:44] <Kamion> mako: problem with that is that they get out of date trivially
[05:44] <Kamion> translation tracking is just as important as a one-shot effort
[05:44] <mako> which doesn't go over well with thom :)
[05:45] <mako> Kamion: yes, of course
[05:45] <sabdfl> i tihnk some critical docs need to be translated on the main server
[05:45] <sabdfl> like CoC
[05:45] <mako> i think a plone based solution makes  sthe most sense
[05:45] <sivang> we should see if we can have rosetta support web site translations :)
[05:45] <sabdfl> and governance docs, nm docs etc
[05:45] <Treenaks> Kamion: changes-mail, like the wiki does when you "subscribe" to a page?
[05:45] <sabdfl> but much of the local community stuff can best be hosted on a country-team website
[05:45] <sabdfl> like, when people are meeting up, and where
[05:45] <smurfix> sabdfl: exactly
[05:46] <smurfix> if people need space for that they can talk to me
[05:46] <smurfix> since they're going to talk to me anyway ;-)
[05:46] <sabdfl> smurfix: that's very kind of you
[05:46] <smurfix> sabdfl: don't worry, you'll get a bill for it ;-)  ;-)
[05:46] <Treenaks> oh, we're having a -nl dinner/keysigning some time in January -- if anyone's near Utrecht then, they're welcome to join
[05:46] <sivang> we'll start with that and see how this scales?
[05:46] <mako> smurfix: alright.. perhaps we can trust some sort of short terms solution to the planning for the counry teams
[05:46] <sabdfl> if it turns into a lot of work we can rent space on a commercial basis somewhere for the teams
[05:47] <sivang> smurfix: do you have plone already installed? or moin moin? :)
[05:47] <smurfix> sabdfl: I don't expect it will -- I'l speak up if it's going to be a problem.
[05:47] <sabdfl> ok guys, let's wrap up
[05:47] <mako> sivang: good point though.. we definitely know it's a problem
[05:47] <smurfix> sivang: moin, yes. Plone not yet
[05:48] <mako> alright
[05:48] <mako> Jan 4, 1600?
[05:48] <mako> UTC?
[05:48] <smurfix> sivang: I expect the stuff that needs plone to be located on the main site anyway
[05:48] <sabdfl> mako: tb?
[05:48] <mako> that would be the currently scheduled CC meeting if we wait two weeks
[05:48] <mako> if we just want to pretend like next week doesn't happen
[05:48] <sivang> smurfix: ah ok, I just wanted to .il one to have consistent look with the main one.
[05:48] <mako> the next meeting would be in three weeks  son the 11th
[05:49] <smurfix> mako: that makes sense
[05:49] <mako> i tend to think that 2 weeks is a good interval but since one week will be holidays for many people, the 11th would work
[05:49] <sabdfl> ok, tb on jan 4th
[05:50] <sabdfl> thanks everybody
[05:50] <mako> see you next year :)
[05:50] <Treenaks> :)
[05:50] <Kamion> good 2004, guys
[05:50] <sivang> happy new year everybody :)
[05:50] <sabdfl> have a great festive season all
[05:50] <jordi> heh
[05:50] <sabdfl> yes, well done on this first year
[05:50] <sabdfl> cheers all
[05:50] <mako> chhers
[05:50] <sivang> cheers
[05:50] <Treenaks> cheers
[05:51] <mvo> cheers
[05:51] <Treenaks> jordi: say "\o/\o/\o/"
[05:51] <sivang> what woudl jdub say? :)
[05:51] <mako> PANTS OFF
[05:51] <sivang> heheh
[05:51] <sivang> in spanish
[05:51] <Treenaks> ok
[05:51] <Treenaks> time to catch my bus home
[05:51] <Treenaks> back in ~1.5 hours
[05:51] <mako> sivang: "estoy buscando mi patalonis"
[05:52] <sivang> mako: exactly !
[05:52] <jordi> estic cercant els meus pantalons!
[05:52] <jordi> dudes, you gotta pick the Catalan trends.
[09:35] <jordi> hmm. wtf.


[21:08] <iAkshay> Ubuntu isn't identifying windows installation
[21:08] <Kingsy> EH? I used the usermod command it it says "user does not exist" I have just logged in with that user
[21:09] <vladz> Kingsy: How did you use it ?
[21:09] <XCoder2K9> there are no such "geniuses" in Europe :) just resellers, premium resellers - so basically people that sell you stuff without actually replacing it... there are no Apple Stores in Austria for instance as far as I know
[21:09] <XCoder2K9> I bought mine from Switzerland
[21:09] <XCoder2K9> and I'm in Vienna, Austria in 2 days
[21:09] <Kingsy> vladz: sudo usermod -a -G chris rob
[21:09] <XCoder2K9> I doubt anyone there would care to exchange it
[21:09] <Kingsy> I want to add "rob" to the "chris" group
[21:10] <llutz> Kingsy: getent passwd rob
[21:10] <Kingsy> oh hmm it worked there, perhaps I made a typo
[21:10] <wjlafrance> XCoder2K9: if you call up AppleCare, they'll work something out for you. Tell them it's critical to your business, you just spent a ton of money, expect a good customer experience, and they might mail you a brand new one and expect yours to be returned afterwards. Might..
[21:10] <Supermanintights> where's the cheapest place to buy computer equipment from?
[21:11] <vladz> Kingsy: works for me...
[21:11] <Supermanintights> i've just checked - I can (by the looks of it) recover all of my files from my corrupted (1365 bad sectors) USB HDD - I now need to buy a 2tb hdd again.
[21:11] <iAkshay> Ubuntu isn't identifying windows installation
[21:11] <Kingsy> vladz: yeah it was a typo.. hehe DOH.
[21:11] <Kingsy> it works now.. thanks
[21:11] <zim> XCoder2K9: http://tinyurl.com/7xrj3ko
[21:12] <XCoder2K9> zim, thank you for that!
[21:12] <XCoder2K9> thanks wjlafrance
[21:12] <XCoder2K9> I'll try that as well
[21:12] <XCoder2K9> but I don't know who to call... being in South-Eastern Europe, it's harder calling the USA
[21:12] <MrKeuner> hello, how do I change gdm background one that's shown in background when users are listed? Lucid here...
[21:12] <XCoder2K9> and sending the laptop to the USA from here is a pain and very expensive
[21:13] <MrKeuner> have installed bunch of new wallpapers and now my gdm background autmatically changed to one of the new ones... I lkied the old one :)
[21:14] <ArnoldMartinAddM> help Anyone, my installed ubuntu won't accept my keyring, it MUST be my password
[21:14] <wjlafrance> XCoder2K9: They probably have a facility in the UK, otherwise explain to them that its at their expense. Apple is really good about that stuff. If they shipped you a faulty display, they'll make it right
[21:14] <Supermanintights> ArnoldMartinAddM, have you checked capslock?
[21:15] <zim> Raspberry Pi #01 now at £3500 http://tinyurl.com/7jrvrvm
[21:15] <ArnoldMartinAddM> what about capslock?
[21:15] <go8765_> can i founs somewhere fresh deb of instantbird  ?
[21:15] <ArnoldMartinAddM> neb here
[21:15] <Supermanintights> ensured it's on/off as required?
[21:15] <^Eric> Fairly brand new to Linux, but an experienced user otherwise.  Very very pleased with what Ubuntu has brought to my network.  Looking forward to learning here!  :)
[21:16] <Pici> 5/60
[21:16] <MrKeuner> ^Eric, another happy customer
[21:16] <Pici> argh. sorry.
[21:16] <^Eric> MrKeuner, Took me a while to get Samba running, but it's working like a dream.... love it love it love it.
[21:16] <guntbert> ^Eric:  Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[21:16] <ArnoldMartinAddM> wHATS KEYRING ANYWAYS?
[21:16] <MrKeuner> ^Eric, switched to linux from NT in around 2000 never thought about going back
[21:16] <XCoder2K9> thanks wjlafrance, I'll try to see if I can anything about it in Wien
[21:17] <John-_> Hello
[21:17] <^Eric> guntbert, Not at the moment.  Just looking to learn from watching.  Have lots of MacOS and Windows experience.  RIght now, I'm a sponge just learning from watching and listening.
[21:17] <zim> ArnoldMartinAddM: caps?
[21:17] <XCoder2K9> do you think there is a chance I can get it swapped (or upgraded, I'm even willing to pay a balance for the 256gb ssd model) there in Austria although I had purchased it in Switzerland?
[21:17] <possible1994> I can't get my bluetooth to work. It successfully scans for, finds, and adds my device, but fails to connect. I have tried updating compat-wireless from yesterday's git snapshop to on avail. Any other suggestions?
[21:17] <ArnoldMartinAddM> wont accept my damn keyring
[21:17] <ArnoldMartinAddM> this ubuntu1104
[21:17] <ArnoldMartinAddM> nely installed
[21:18] <zim> XCoder2K9: they would in the UK not sure there
[21:18] <guntbert> ^Eric: please do - if sometimes you want to just have a nice chat please visit #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:18] <^Eric> guntbert, You can count on me to be silent unless on-topic.  :)  Blessings.
[21:18] <John-_> Does any one have experience with Ubuntu server running Samba ?
[21:18] <FluxD> do. Can anyone explain the five options I get? ubuntu = default with unity, ubuntu 2d = without unity, gnome 3 = without compiz, gnome 3 classic = without what and fallback is gnome 2 ish ?
[21:19] <vladz> ArnoldMartinAddM: What do you mean, it does not accept your new password?
[21:19] <possible1994> I think my bluetooth worked in Ubuntu 11.04.
[21:20] <ArnoldMartinAddM> The keyring prompt wont accept my password
[21:20] <xangua> !nounity | FluxD
[21:20] <go8765> ActionParsnip, any ideas about hulrunner?
[21:20] <zim> FluxD: gnome3 = new gnome 2 = old gnome. Compiz 3d desktop and kewl effects. Unity what we are all supposed to learn to love
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> go8765: not even heardof it, sorry
[21:21] <guntbert> ArnoldMartinAddM: how did you change your password?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> zim: you dont have to.....
[21:21] <ArnoldMartinAddM> i am waiting
[21:21] <kszksz> how to delay a process to loaded from init.d for example some given time or after /media/usbdisks are mounted?
[21:21] <auronandace> FluxD: you could just keep it simple and use xfce
[21:21] <zim> ActionParsnip: it is getting that way
[21:21] <ArnoldMartinAddM> did not change it
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> zim: I use LXDE and openbox, no Unity, no compiz, no gnome3 desktop....
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> Unity was introduced to make Mint more popular
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> zim: Gnome isn't the only desktop
[21:22] <go8765> ActionParsnip, what mean - hearof?) google translate dont know too)
[21:22] <ArnoldMartinAddM> Is thre any way to disable or configure, newb here
[21:22] <John-_> how to set, if more than one user editing file, deny access ?
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> zim: you could use KDE and not use Unity or Gnome3...
[21:22] <guntbert> ArnoldMartinAddM: do you log in to your account automatically?
[21:22] <FluxD> zim, xangua, I read that but wanted a more concise explanation. I am trying to get rid of unity, but keep certain aspects of it like wobbly windows worked perfectly fine in 10.10 but does not in 11.10 and I cant figure out why
[21:22] <ArnoldMartinAddM> yes
[21:22] <guntbert> !who | ArnoldMartinAddM
[21:22] <zim> I know that but unity is all you get now with 11.10+
[21:23] <xangua> zim: you have kubuntu, xubuntu and lubuntu
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> go8765: until you mentioned it I hadn't heard of it so no I have no "ideas" as you say. I thought I'd answered sufficiently....
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> zim: you can use gnome shell
[21:23] <guntbert> ArnoldMartinAddM: try this: log out, then you log in again (this time with your password) and then the key ring will not ask for the password
[21:23] <zim> yes yes i know that there is a rule 34b for ubuntu
[21:23] <FluxD> Anyway to just remove unity launcher and get default compiz working is all I want :)
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> zim: you can use Kubuntu 11.10 and it will be 11.10 and not have unity,,,
[21:24] <zim> Kubuntu != ubuntu
[21:24] <guntbert> ArnoldMartinAddM: if you are unable to log in that means you got your password wrong - just reboot in that case
[21:24] <^Eric> Pardon the intrusion... my Ubuntu install is "about a week old" and mostly default.  Is there an easy way to tile all the windows that are open on-screen?  (like right-clicking the taskbar in W$)
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> zim: no its not, you are ignoring one of the KEY ideologies in Linux
[21:24] <xangua> FluxD: if you want to configure compiz setting, use (sic) compiz settings manager
[21:24] <ArnoldMartinAddM> ok guntberg thanks a lot :0 that is I needed :)
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> zim: it is ubuntu under the hoos, just the default app set is different
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> *hood
[21:24] <John-_> how to set, if more than one user editing file, deny access ?
[21:25] <FluxD> xangua, I did but enabling one plugins breaks the whole thing and my screen freezes
[21:25] <guntbert> ArnoldMartinAddM: you're welcome :-)
[21:25] <go8765> ActionParsnip,  i try tu run instantbird  and have error message about hulrunner  (что значит:Could not find compatible GRE between version 2.0 and 2.0.0.*. ?).. i have this installed http://i.imm.io/eo4K.png
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> zim: the kernel is the one compiled for ubuntu in kubuntu and ubuntu, as is the X server and so on. Different DE doesn't make it a different distro. The packages are from exactly the samerepos
[21:25] <zim> All I am saying was I liked gnome and I am sure at some point I will like unity but it is not stable yet and has far to many bugs for it to be default
[21:26] <ArnoldMartinAddM> !gunbert ty
[21:26] <guntbert> ^Eric: you don't intrude, if there is a question just ask but keep in mind that not always answers will be available (I have none for your question)
[21:26] <auronandace> go8765: any reason you can't run empathy or pidgin?
[21:26] <guntbert> !tab | ArnoldMartinAddM
[21:26] <^Eric> Thanks for trying, guntbert.
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> zim: there is a guide on omgubuntu how to make Gnome3 look like Gnome2
[21:27] <^Eric> I gather I'm running Unity.  I haven't changed anything.  That's the default these days?
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> go8765: I don't have firefox installed and extracted the instantbird archive, ran the binary and it ran ok
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> zim: in short you seem to be badmouthing oneiric when really you just dislike the gnome desktop
[21:28] <zim> ok ok so lets to this. Gnome3 -> Gnome2 -> Apple -> Winsh*t.  All I want is to install ubuntu on my desktop and start working
[21:28] <zim> unity has way to may bugs#
[21:28] <indiana> how do i install google chrome browser
[21:29] <xangua> indiana: go to google chrome web
[21:29] <guntbert> ^Eric: yes, unity is default now
[21:29] <auronandace> zim: i recomend using xfce
[21:29] <xangua> indiana: chromium browser also is already on the repository and it's 100% free software
[21:29] <MrKeuner> ^Eric, I do not think we have tiling feature. We have other features like multiple screen for organizing work windows
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> zim: try Xubuntu or Lubuntu. XFCE especially minics Gnome2's look
[21:29] <flintwingel> zim: you may be happier with Linux Mint (I'm going to be shot for this...)
[21:30] <John-_> is ubuntu server able to set, if more than one user editing file, deny access ?
[21:31] <Eric^> That was the sound of Unity panicking.  lol.
[21:31] <salvatore> Speak in to spanish somebody?
[21:31] <guntbert> !es | salvatore
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> !es| salvatore
[21:31] <zim> Everyone is missing the point. I love that *nux has choice. I love that when I get a Raspberry Pi there will be a desktop that is lighter than a feather that I can use. But I hate the fact that a flaky desktop that I have never had just work is the default
[21:32] <guntbert> zim: stop your ranting please - even if we feel with you
[21:32] <MonkeyDust> zim  i don't like the default, either, so i don't use it
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> zim: just use openbox and it will be super light
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> zim: its a WM but doesn't need a DE, so will be light as a feather
[21:33] <heather76> Hi ActionParsnip can you please help me ?
[21:33] <zim> MonkeyDust: I don't use it. my point is it should not be the default
[21:33] <salvatore> i have a question
[21:33] <salvatore> somebody can tell me
[21:34] <zim> salvatore: dont ask to ask just ask
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> !es
[21:34] <salvatore> how i can repair the sheltermanager for ubuntu ultime edition?
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> salvatore: ultimate isn't supported here
[21:34] <jutnux> What is Ubuntu Ultimate Edition?
[21:34] <xangua> !ultimate | salvatore
[21:34] <zim> +1 to WTF
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> jsurfer: an unsupported ubuntu spinoff
[21:35] <salvatore> tanks for your information
[21:35] <guntbert> John-_: I don't understand what you need - but try to ask in #ubuntu-server
[21:35] <salvatore> its my first time in the irc
[21:35] <salvatore> have a nice day
[21:36] <John-_> On WINDOWS it's really easy to set permissions, there must be an easy way on Ubuntu to make it so only one user can access a file at a given time.
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> John-_: its easy, use chown and chmod
[21:36] <salvatore> yes its ultimate ubuntu edition
[21:37] <salvatore> i have trouble for open now in to the lasttime
[21:37] <salvatore> i was with linux mint
[21:37] <John-_> It needs to be set so if file open, deny access to other users
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> salvatore: both arent supported here
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> salvatore: we only support official releases here
[21:37] <John-_> Yet have the other users access to roam on the server
[21:37] <salvatore> action thanks i look the support now
[21:38] <flintwingel> John-_: does this help... http://www.hackinglinuxexposed.com/articles/20030623.html
[21:38] <w30> the best way to get rid of Unity is to install gnome-pane, gnome-shell, install ccsm,edit ccsm and uncheck unity set up cube, rotate cube ,export the resulting profile to a file then make and switch to a new profile using that exported file; poof Unity gone
[21:39] <John-_> It sort of does, I was trying with oplocks
[21:39] <FluxD> w30, I was told in compiz channel, compiz was hacked to work with unity, wont that break something ?
[21:39] <Pino> !list
[21:39] <w30> FluxD, yes it breaks Unity.
[21:40] <UwaNNaBuffa> ok im frustrated, i love ubuntu so i wanna delete windows and install it, but my cd rom drive is having issues and now my drive is full so i cant DL the ISO??? cant i just delete windows and then keep ubuntu how is it not that simple?
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> UwaNNaBuffa: uninstall old kernels and run:  sudo apt-get clean
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> Pino  you forgot to say ciao, first
[21:40] <philwong> Can you burn dvd's on ubuntu?
[21:40] <fannagoganna> hi, is anyone able to get mpeg4ip (http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/index.php) working on Ubuntu 11.10?
[21:40] <philwong> on a live cd
[21:41] <philwong> if you have another seperate dvd drive
[21:41] <UwaNNaBuffa> how do i uninstall old kernels?
[21:41] <zim> UwaNNaBuffa: put it on a usb key?
[21:42] <UwaNNaBuffa> which leads me to my next question how do i 'put it on a usb key'?
[21:42] <zim> UwaNNaBuffa: can  you boot from usb ?
[21:42] <UwaNNaBuffa> i could yes
[21:42] <UwaNNaBuffa> but i cant DL anything furthur
[21:42] <UwaNNaBuffa> my disc is full
[21:42] <zim> UwaNNaBuffa: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[21:43] <zim> UwaNNaBuffa: and delete some sh*t
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> UwaNNaBuffa: run:  uname -a   that is the CURRENT kernel. If you run:   dpkg -l | grep linux-image-     you will see the INSTALLED kernels
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> UwaNNaBuffa: You can uninstall any of the installed kernels but NOT the running kernel
[21:44] <philwong> can you burn dvd's on a live cd of ubuntu?
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> UwaNNaBuffa: also do NOT uninstall linux-image-generic package
[21:44] <ArnoldMartinAddM> What is a good internet tv straming program for ubuntu?
[21:44] <zim> UwaNNaBuffa: is there anything on you windows partion you want to keep? if not use gparted to delete it and grow your linux one
[21:45] <UwaNNaBuffa> ok i ran that and i see them so how do i go about unistalling them just straight delete them
[21:45] <FluxD> The unity (?) feature that makes all the menu in top panel, can that be disabled ?
[21:45] <UwaNNaBuffa> there we go i want nothing from the windows side
[21:45] <flintwingel> philwong: depends if you've got any writable space to prepare the image for burning...
[21:45] <ArnoldMartinAddM> streaming
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: that is global menu
[21:45] <philwong> flintwingel: I mean if you have 2 cd drives
[21:45] <UwaNNaBuffa> the disc is partitioned into a backup windows if possible i would like to keep if ubuntu is a complete fail
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/disable-appmenu-global-menu-in-ubuntu.html
[21:45] <philwong> one for the live cd..can you burn dvd's from the other drive
[21:45] <philwong> while in live mode?
[21:45] <UwaNNaBuffa> c: is main d: is back up win
[21:46] <zim> UwaNNaBuffa: do you have ubuntu installed at all?
[21:46] <w30> UwaNNaBuffa, I suppose you could switch out usb keys and usb sd cards and get ubuntu on a usb key with  usb-creator
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> UwaNNaBuffa: sudo apt-get --purge remove packagename
[21:46] <John-_> Thanks for trying people =)
[21:46] <UwaNNaBuffa> i have ubuntu installed using WUBI
[21:46] <flintwingel> philwong: No. Generally you need some writable disk space to prepare a cd image prior to burning.
[21:47] <philwong> hmm
[21:47] <philwong> I see
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> UwaNNaBuffa: doesn't matter, you can save a tonne of space by removing the old kernels
[21:47] <w30> UwaNNaBuffa, have you got access to  a sd card and a usb key?
[21:47] <UwaNNaBuffa> i have something with 4gb of space i think its an sd disc or something will that work, if not i can wip out an ipod for the transfer
[21:47] <M4d3L1> anyone know good documentation on how to install apache2 with fastcgi and suexec?
[21:47] <UwaNNaBuffa> so i should run what you suggested ActionParsnip?
[21:48] <blunder> i have an Ubuntu vm running on citrix xenserver. I installed a different kernel and rebooted. Now i get initramfs type help for a list of commands
[21:48] <zim> UwaNNaBuffa: go see a friend do it there and make you life easy :-)
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> UwaNNaBuffa: you obviously need to change the package name to the installed kernel package name that is not the running kernel
[21:48] <UwaNNaBuffa> my friends suck and dont know anything of Ubuntu and i am hoping to be the pioneer and be that 'friend'
[21:49] <UwaNNaBuffa> obviously...
[21:49] <jutnux> I am 'that' friend \o/
[21:49] <zim> UwaNNaBuffa: they dont have to all they need is 700mb of free disk space and a internet connection
[21:49] <UwaNNaBuffa> sweet wanna hang out im in cali lets chill
[21:49] <zim> uk you welcome
[21:50] <UwaNNaBuffa> ok well i need to delete my windows side completely then use ubuntu which is currently using WUBI?
[21:50] <FluxD> ActionParsnip, thanks, I dont know why ubuntu devs are making ubuntu more and more like a mac....
[21:50] <zim> my point is get a bootablew usb key working. if you use http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ you will be able to install loads of distros on one usb key
[21:50] <UwaNNaBuffa> so how do i do that exactly
[21:51] <UwaNNaBuffa> ok
[21:51] <UwaNNaBuffa> follow link
[21:51] <zim> thats a start
[21:51] <UwaNNaBuffa> ok so i cant install anything at all on this drive its full
[21:51] <zim> full of what ?
[21:52] <UwaNNaBuffa> windows crapola
[21:52] <zim> then delete it
[21:52] <UwaNNaBuffa> i want to just use explosives and destroy it is that possible?
[21:52] <UwaNNaBuffa> k lets do that im all for deleting it
[21:53] <zim> crtl+a   then   shift+delete
[21:53] <blitz> lol
[21:53] <UwaNNaBuffa> is that like the alt f4 in winsdows noob death
[21:54] <zim> [21:54] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: they aren't
[21:54] <UwaNNaBuffa> ctrl a does nada
[21:54] <ubluntu> any reason not to uninstall pulseaudio ?? I just need alsa
[21:54] <blitz> can't you just format it
[21:54] <auronandace> UwaNNaBuffa: wubi is more of a demo than a solution to a problem
[21:55] <UwaNNaBuffa> ok so what now that i like it and want to keep it
[21:55] <UwaNNaBuffa> go delete manually a bunch of windows stuffs?
[21:55] <zim> UwaNNaBuffa: hold on stop before you break you pc
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> UwaNNaBuffa: wubi's disk is stored in your NTFS partition
[21:55] <UwaNNaBuffa> thx zim
[21:55] <UwaNNaBuffa> lol
[21:55] <UwaNNaBuffa> im breathing now
[21:55] <auronandace> UwaNNaBuffa: install ubuntu properly on it's own partition
[21:56] <UwaNNaBuffa> its been about 3 hair pullin days of this
[21:56] <auronandace> UwaNNaBuffa: if you need practice try it in a vm first
[21:56] <paolo1> l
[21:56] <UwaNNaBuffa> auronandace my disc is really crowded with a huge ugly windows program... cant add anything new
[21:57] <UwaNNaBuffa> gonna have to dive in to windows side and delete stuffs i think
[21:57] <UwaNNaBuffa> is it better to make boot disc in windows or ubuntu or doesnt matter?
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: I'm running 12.04 pre-release and it looks like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/Desktop.png   Looks nothing like a mac
[21:58] <auronandace> UwaNNaBuffa: doesn't matter, just burn the iso to a disk
[21:58] <UwaNNaBuffa> ok im sure ill be back, i hope i dont bug to much, id love one day to be able to council in these rooms, but fer now i feel retarded
[21:58] <blitz> windows 7 has an easy iso burner tho
[21:58] <FluxD> ActionParsnip, kde ?
[21:58] <UwaNNaBuffa> Vista...:(
[21:59] <blitz> nvm then
[21:59] <zim> I have never used wabi. So I am sure someone can step in here ...... delete it kill it etc then create a bootable usb installer boot from that delete the windows partition and bobs your abuser
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: lxde + openbox
[21:59] <auronandace> UwaNNaBuffa: we all start somewhere :)
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: looks nothing like a mac does it...
[21:59] <UwaNNaBuffa> ok how do i kill the wubi? from windows unistall yea?
[21:59] <FluxD> ActionParsnip, yea I am talking about default gnome version not something you customized :p
[21:59] <UwaNNaBuffa> ok i be back, wish me luck
[21:59] <tensorpudding> gnome-shell does not look enough like a mac
[21:59] <tensorpudding> that's my take
[21:59] <zim> I can't answer that never used it
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: that's Lubuntu (an official release) with a changed wallpaper and Faenza icon theme....
[22:00] <FluxD> I mean come on global app menu, where else do you see that
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: you mean "the Gnome Desktop is looking more like a mac"
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: Gnome is only default in ONE of the ubuntu family of releases....
[22:01] <auronandace> ActionParsnip: i noticed your window controls are on the left on that screenshot, is that by default now on lubuntu?
[22:01] <tensorpudding> it's too bad we have to have four different desktops so that there is no visual cohesion at all
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> auronandace: no, i moved them over :)
[22:02] <auronandace> ActionParsnip: oh, good (made me seat then) :)
[22:02] <FluxD> ActionParsnip, and the most used, most consider it kind of the "original"
[22:02] <flintwingel> ActionParsnip: there isn't really a pure Gnome Ubuntu based distro anymore though... is there?
[22:02] <auronandace> sweat
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: irrelevant, Linux is as flexible and changeable as youo like
[22:02] <kszksz> how to set certain init.d script to be run last?
[22:02] <tensorpudding> flintwingel, no, but it's rather simple to get an authentic gnome experience
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> flintwingel: yes, Ubuntu uses Gnome by default
[22:03] <w30> ActionParsnip, lxde and xfce look a lot alike; Have you used both? What the difference?
[22:03] <hypershock> what is the method for taking a shared internet connection and making it so that the subordinate computer have an ip address in the same range was the primary ip address of the computer providing the share? I need to do this so my other computer can print to a network printer.
[22:03] <FluxD> ActionParsnip, then explain why I cannot move my unity launcher, to simply reposibition it the way like you have yours
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> w30: lxde seems a log nippier imho
[22:03] <MonkeyDust> hypershock  network type should be set to 'bridged'
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: you can move it to the bottom with a ppa if you want
[22:03] <auronandace> w30: lxde is lighter but i prefer xfce (just a taste thing i think)
[22:03] <blunder> is there a way to revert back to a kernel
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: you can move it if you want, you just need to recode it
[22:03] <FluxD> ActionParsnip, thats what I meant, I need an unofficial ppa to do it
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> blunder: hold shift at boot
[22:04] <blunder> the kernel i installed is not booting
[22:04] <tensorpudding> flintwingel, install gnome-shell, cantarell-fonts, configure the theme to adwaita, disable overlay scrollbars, log into the gnome session, and it'll feel just like the thing you see on the gnome.org site
[22:04] <flintwingel> ActionParnsip: Ubuntu is Gnome3+Unity... yes you can go to a pure Gnome3 setup (gnome2 is more problematic)
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: you can recompile it
[22:04] <ubluntu> any reason not to uninstall pulseaudio ?? I just need alsa
[22:04] <blunder> ActionParsnip: i tried that
[22:04] <hypershock> MonkeyDust: would that be the only change required?
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> flintwingel: no, unity is a shell for gnome3
[22:04] <blunder> ActionParsnip: i am using Citrix XenServer to get to the console
[22:04] <w30> ActionParsnip, ha, Torvalds likes lxde
[22:04] <blunder> ActionParsnip: I don't think it is is seeing me holding shift
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> w30: I thought he was a KDE kid
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> hypershock  start with 'bridged', not NAT
[22:04] <dumnut> hi, i installed ubuntu 11.10, when i click on wireless icon, it doesn't show list of wireless connections available. how can i connect to wireless?
[22:04] <tensorpudding> ubluntu, probably will cause broken dependencies
[22:05] <blunder> ActionParsnip: i get to the initramfs busybox prompt
[22:05] <FluxD> Yea I read he moved to lxde after gnome 3 went mac-like lol
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> blunder: hold shift from as soon as the system starts to boot
[22:05] <blunder> ActionParsnip: I will try that again
[22:05] <tds5016> hi. can someone tell me what package has zic in it?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> FluxD: he's never liked gnome
[22:05] <tensorpudding> i think i should probably make a short blog post about how to make ubuntu 11.10 have an authentic gnome-shell experience
[22:05] <auronandace> !find zic | tds5016
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> dumnut: what wifi chip do you use?
[22:06] <w30> ActionParsnip, he was knocking Gnome3 and Unity and said use Lxde or some thing like it.
[22:06] <flintwingel> ActionParsnip: I know that... but my point stands.. there is no "pure" Gnome Ubuntu anymore (unlike the K/L/X variants) ... and it's not that straightforward to get back to Gnome
[22:06] <tds5016> auronandace: thanks much.
[22:06] <MonkeyDust> tds5016  in a terminal, type apt-cache search zic
[22:06] <dumnut> hi ActionParsnip, i don't know, what command shows what wqifi chip i have?
[22:06] <auronandace> tds5016: no worries :)
[22:06] <FluxD> dumnut, lspci
[22:06] <tds5016> yeah, I was hoping to find the actual tar-ball.
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> flintwingel: XFCE is coded with gtk so you could use that
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> dumnut: sudo lshw -C network
[22:07] <dotty> flintwingel, there are plans for a pure gnome3 distro
[22:07] <tds5016> this isn't for ubuntu :-/.
[22:07] <blunder> ActionParsnip: will initramfs get me anywhere? can i mount a disk and make a change to grub there?
[22:07] <blunder> ActionParsnip: any ideas are greatly appreciated
[22:07] <dotty> flintwingel, a spin of ubuntu, that is - similar to xubuntu and co
[22:07] <flintwingel> ActionParsnip: my comment wasn't about what I want to use (I was so traumatised by early Unity I've gone back to KDE) - more a general observation
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> blunder: you could chroot from a liveCD and change the default there
[22:07] <hypershock> MonkeyDust: eeek, i don't have that setting available in "edit connections". I have "dhcp, dhcp address only, link local, shared to other computers and disabled."
[22:08] <auronandace> dotty: they calling it gubuntu?
[22:08] <dotty> auronandace, no idea tbh, but perhaps :)
[22:08] <hypershock> oh dear, monkeydust has logged out, anyone else can help to setup a bridge connection?
[22:08] <blunder> ActionParsnip: I just might have to do that
[22:12] <blunder> ActionParsnip: ActionParsnip any links your can point me to?
[22:12] <dumnut> ActionParsnip RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet Controller
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> blunder: www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video/
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> dumnut: that's wired, not wireless. The hint is the word "Ethernet"
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> dumnut: is it a usb wifi device?
[22:15] <jbwiv> anyone know of a video card with three dvi interfaces supported by unity? I can't get my two nvidia cards to work with unity using xinerama...only KDE4 works appropriately
[22:16] <dumnut> ActionParsnip: Ralink device 5390
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> dumnut: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1751685
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> dumnut: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1645716
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> dumnut: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1843380
[22:20] <dumnut> ActionParsnip: i will look at urls you posted. thank-you forhelp
[22:23] <mx8> hi, How can i read data from incoming sockets ?
[22:26] <root> hola
[22:29] <Joshhsoj0> does ubunto support the drivers in the Sabertooth 990FX motherboard
[22:34] <peter-adfadfaj> A few files and folders on my external hard drive are 0 bytes. Is there any way to repair this?
[22:35] <peter-adfadfaj> *now show as 0 bytes
[22:36] <kupo_> maybe they're corrupted?
[22:37] <kszksz> is /media/usbdrive a remote filesystem? ($remote_fs)
[22:37] <DyeA> Ubunut newbish here, I just put Hardy Heron and LAMP on a remote machine. Tried to do the ole "service apache2 reload" and no go. Service command not found. How do I get that functionality on this machine?
[22:38] <blunder> ActionParsnip: ok i booted a livecd
[22:38] <peter-adfadfaj> Yes, they're corrupted. The drive isn't remote, but attached by USB.
[22:38] <blunder> ActionParsnip: i have the file system and can see my file structure
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> Joshhsoj0: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1850683.html   found that
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> Joshhsoj0: http://www.overclock.net/t/1035333/official-asus-sabertooth-990fx-owners-club/1590
[22:39] <peter-adfadfaj> I'm going to try Foremost.
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> peter-adfadfaj: why not use your backups?
[22:40] <Mindkontrol> Hey all. What is the command for restarting a service like sshd? I thought it was etc/init.d/sshd restart
[22:40] <ohzie> Mindkontrol: looks right to me
[22:41] <ohzie> Mindkontrol: you can also use service sshd restart
[22:41] <Mindkontrol> ohzie: weird, says unrecognized service
[22:41] <Mindkontrol> hmm
[22:41] <Mindkontrol> how can i find out if sshd is running?
[22:42] <ohzie> Mindkontrol: "ps aux | grep ssh"
[22:43] <Mindkontrol> Yeah ok, says its running usr/sbin/sshd
[22:43] <Joshhsoj0> Thank you, ActionParsnip
[22:43] <Mindkontrol> so wtf
[22:43] <ohzie> Mindkontrol: "sudo ls /etc/init.d/ | grep ssh"
[22:43] <blunder> basically i booted from a livecd and i want to tell grub to use the other kernel that was working
[22:44] <blunder> is it as simple as editting a file?
[22:44] <Mindkontrol> ohzie: Well says ssh is running, but if i try sshd i get nothing
[22:44] <ohzie> Mindkontrol: "sudo ls /etc/init.d/ | grep ssh"
[22:45] <ohzie> tell me what comes back
[22:45] <ohzie> blunder: I don't know where the grub config file is. There used to be a really obvious file in the boot partition.
[22:45] <ohzie> or boot folter
[22:46] <hicham> hi, i just installed ubuntu and want to install the flash player can enyone help?
[22:47] <blunder> ohzie: i found a file buy it says do not edit this fiel
[22:47] <blunder> auto generated by grub-mkconfig
[22:47] <DyeA> Ubuntu newboid here, I just put Hardy Heron and LAMP on a remote machine. Tried to do the ole "service apache2 reload" and no go. Service command not found. How do I get that functionality on this machine?
[22:47] <ohzie> Hmm
[22:47] <ubluntu> hicham: sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[22:47] <hicham> ok i will give it a try
[22:47] <ohzie> DyeA: The new service command is not on the old Hardy Heron release. =P
[22:48] <ohzie> DyeA: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> hicham: enable partner repo
[22:48] <hicham> ubluntu, i can't install it
[22:48] <ohzie> DyeA: I might seriously consider upgrading that though, before I run it as a production machine.
[22:48] <DyeA> ohzie: I kind of wondered that might be the case but our work dev machine has 8.04 and I can do "service" commands on it!!! I don't get it!
[22:49] <ohzie> DyeA: Weird! :P
[22:49] <DyeA> ohzie: why upgrade?
[22:49] <ubluntu> hicham: open your /etc/apt/sources.list and enable partner repo by removing the #
[22:49] <DyeA> ohzie: best practice or are they vulnerabilities?
[22:49] <ohzie> DyeA: best practice in case there are vulnerabilities.
[22:50] <ohzie> DyeA: I'm not knowledgeable of anything specific.
[22:50] <hicham> ubluntu where can i found the etc?
[22:50] <ohzie> DyeA: but getting the newest stuff is generally easier, and that's good for dev work.
[22:50] <ubluntu>  hicham its a folder.
[22:50] <DyeA> ohzie: ahhh well, its a LTS... I had natty narwhal on it but i am installing the concrete CMS and I couldn't get cgi.path_info to work
[22:50] <ohzie> ahh
[22:50] <DyeA> ohzie: after several hours I just gave up
[22:51] <DyeA> ohzie: maybe I will give 10 a try
[22:52] <ubluntu> hicham: like gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:53] <hicham> ubluntu i did want to change it, but it tels me i don't have the right
[22:53] <laSt_duDe> hi everyone! it is my first time ever using ubuntu and unix in general, so i am a total noob. i need help installing graphics drivers as i have never done this before. someone please can guide me?
[22:54] <Frantic_> Hello
[22:54] <Frantic_> Im having  issues installing ubuntu on my netbook.
[22:54] <christopher9812> is there a way to have a server with ubuntu and have a lab with 25 computers with network user accounts?
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> Frantic_: what issues?
[22:55] <ubluntu> christopher9812: what do you want to do exactly??
[22:55] <ubluntu> ssh? share files?
[22:55] <christopher9812> not exactly
[22:56] <blunder> basically i want it to boot vmlinuz.old
[22:56] <christopher9812> Im wanting to have a computer lab with a ubuntu operating system
[22:56] <blunder> and revert back
[22:56] <blunder> not sure how i can do this from livecd
[22:56] <Frantic_> I have installed ubuntu 11.10 onto aa flash card. I have booted from the flash card. run the installation. rebooted and all i get is a screen with a flashing underscore on a black background.
[22:56] <ubluntu> christopher9812: thats not very specific. but you can have a computer lab with all ubuntu sure.....
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> christopher9812: ok what will the server give to the clients?
[22:56] <hicham> ubluntu i the file source.list, i can't change it because i don't have the rights
[22:56] <laSt_duDe> please someone can tell me how to update graphic drivers?
[22:57] <Frantic_> Ive tried to install different versions of ubuntu but none work
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> Frantic_: what GPU do you use?
[22:57] <hicham> permisions
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: what GPU?
[22:57] <ubluntu> hicham: did you in a terminal type gksudo /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[22:57] <laSt_duDe> intel gma950
[22:57] <Frantic_> GPU?
[22:57] <christopher9812> I would like to store the user accounts on the server
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> hicham: gksudo gedot /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[22:57] <ubluntu> christopher9812: oh thin clients ?
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> christopher9812: so you want an LDAP server
[22:58] <christopher9812> windows server 2003 allows for accounts to be created and logged into from other computers
[22:58] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip oneiric
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> christopher9812: LDAP is the equivelant of Windows AD
[22:59] <christopher9812> supose on the server I create 3 user accounts: chris, charles, chuck. I want to go to any of the 25 computers and log in
[22:59] <wingnut2626> Hey I made a mistake.   I typed "sudo chmod 700 /" now I cannot use the sudo prefix.  How do I fix that?
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel oneiric
[23:00] <Frantic_> actionparsnip: i honoustly have no cluje
[23:00] <Frantic_> clue*
[23:00] <blunder> it's not that my grub isn't working, it's that i can't see it to boot into my original kernel
[23:00] <hicham> it tels me i am not the owner
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> Frantic_: what is the make and model of the system?
[23:00] <Frantic_> im using an Acer Aspire One GZ5
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> hicham: you aren't but the command I gave runs gedit with extra access and you will get write access
[23:01] <christopher9812> on the 25 computers I would like to have ubuntu desktop 10.04
[23:01] <hicham> i did the command, but no changes
[23:01] <hicham> gksudo gedot /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:01] <Frantic_> i did some lookin and it origonaly came with linpus
[23:01] <hicham> ?
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: there is a later diver here but the PPA is *VERY* experimental and unstable, your choice; https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[23:01] <Greatjon> hey ubuntus :)
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> Frantic_: its some intel integrated thing, try the boot option:  nomodeset
[23:02] <Frantic_> how do i do that?
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> !nomodeset
[23:02] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: what do i have to do now? it shows me some lines i can't understand
[23:02] <curios789> Hey guys...I run two ATI Radeon 5570s, any way I can get Ubuntu to use all three of my monitors?
[23:03] <Frantic_> !nomodeset where do i type this, were do i enter it?
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade      then cross your fingers and then hope and prey
[23:04] <WhiteOwl-m> I hope you appreciate stupid n00b questions, I will have to recompile ndiswrapper tomorrow.. I will bombard you guys..
[23:04] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: are those stable drivers? i don't want beta ones
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> hicham: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list    will open it edittable
[23:05] <wingnut2626> No ideas guys?
[23:05] <hicham> yes i did that but when i edit it, it still the same problem
[23:05] <alien2050> Frantic: from the live CD, you just hit F6 then put a crossmark on nomodeset, or if you've already installed, just hit "E" on the ubuntu entry, go down in the menu and add nomodeset after "ro"
[23:05] <hicham> it still tels me i have not the permissions
[23:05] <ubluntu> hicham: after you enter your pw?
[23:05] <Frantic_> actionparsnip: Where do ienter !nomodeset
[23:06] <alien2050> Frantic_: I just answered you
[23:06] <hicham> ubluntu what is pw?
[23:06] <ubluntu> hicham: your password
[23:06] <hicham> yes ubluntu
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> Frantic_: read the link, you need to add: nomodeset    as the boot option, not with the bang
[23:07] <blunder> is there a way to remove a broken kernel from a system using the livecd?
[23:07] <alien2050> Frantic_: you can also modify it in your grub.cfg, but I'd test it before
[23:07] <Frantic_> okay, how would i modify it in my grub.cfg and test it prior
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> Frantic_: you don't
[23:08] <hicham> now when i do the code again it gives me can't find modulepath 'pixmap'
[23:08] <alien2050> blunder: yep... you need to mount your ubuntu install from the live cd, edit the grub.cfg entry, remove the broken kernel that'sit
[23:08] <Frantic_> thanks kay :D
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions  | hicham
[23:08] <curios789> Hey guys...I run two AMD Radeon 5570s, any way I can get Ubuntu to use all three of my monitors? It seems to only be using ONE of my graphics cards.
[23:08] <ubluntu> Frantic_: just use e to edit the kernel line before you press enter to boot it in grub and add that option for a one time use.
[23:09] <blunder> alien2050: it says i can't edit the file
[23:09] <blunder> alien2050: says it is autogenerated
[23:09] <blunder> alien2050: do i just ignore that?
[23:09] <Frantic_> oh man im feeling over whelmed by my noobness.
[23:09] <alien2050> doesn't matter, it's just to scare newbies it works fine
[23:09] <curios789> ati* ugh
[23:09] <curios789> lol
[23:09] <hicham> what is !bootoptions? actionpasnip
[23:10] <Frantic_> use e?
[23:10] <alien2050> just ensure that you remove the whole entry with the broken kernel entry... not just one line
[23:10] <ubluntu> Frantic_: yea you can use e to edit the line
[23:10] <alien2050> it should be enclosed in brackets or something
[23:10] <blunder> alien2050: ok
[23:11] <Frantic_> okay e, what the heck is e?
[23:11] <ubluntu> the letter e? comes after d
[23:11] <alien2050> the key "e" :)
[23:11] <WhiteOwl-m> :D
[23:11] <Frantic_> before f
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> hicham: was for Frantic_
[23:11] <JBunny> hi everyone. back again.  just wonder if there is a way to optomize my internet connection, something similar to what TCP Optimizer does in Windows.
[23:11] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: so there are absolutely no stable drivers for this GPU?
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> Frantic_: the button to the left of R.
[23:11] <Frantic_> i use e to edit the file
[23:12] <Frantic_> i dont get that
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: what Intel chip do you have?
[23:12] <alien2050> you won't edit the file, it's when you boot
[23:12] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: gma950
[23:12] <iceroot> JBunny: yes, buy a better connection
[23:12] <alien2050> you have a scroll down menu, select "ubuntu .... blahblah blah"
[23:12] <alien2050> and hit the "E" key
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: dude I use a 945GM and its fine
[23:13] <blunder> hmm if i can tell it to just boot a diff by default that would work too
[23:13] <blunder> i see there is a submenu section previous linux versions
[23:13] <JBunny> iceroot: not very funny.
[23:13] <alien2050> then you'll see what's really happening behind the scenes (which is actually an excerpt from grub.cfg)
[23:13] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu itself work fine for me too but opengl is slow as hell
[23:13] <blunder> i just need to default it to taht
[23:13] <iceroot> JBunny: why? its the correct answer to your question
[23:13] <Frantic_> . kay, i will be back.
[23:13] <laSt_duDe> I want to play nes emulator on it
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: you may need to make an xorg.conf  to make the driver behave
[23:13] <alien2050> just add "nomodeset" after ro
[23:14] <iceroot> JBunny: strange optimation tools are funny
[23:14] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: how do i do this?
[23:14] <toninho> ola genteee
[23:14] <alien2050> that should do it, for a one time try at least... if you're satisfied, just edit your grub.cfg by typing "sudo gedit /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[23:14] <toninho> alguem tá ai?
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: websearch around, you'll find sample files. You will need: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf     to get write access to the file...
[23:14] <toninho> alguem fala português?
[23:14] <toninho> ?
[23:15] <toninho> helowwww
[23:15] <blunder> or if i could get grub to display as text instead of video
[23:15] <blunder> that might work too
[23:15] <iceroot> JBunny: what do you expect? downloading with 2mbit/s on a 1mbit/s connection? reducing the ping-results from 80ms to 1ms?
[23:15] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: sorry i don't get any of this, its my first time using unix and i am only 14 :P
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: you'll learn as you use the OS
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: intel gpus can be a pain
[23:16] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: I hope i will learn by time, but for now I cannot game :/
[23:16] <alien2050> laSt_duDe: it's the perfect age to start... I started MSDOS at 11 so :) no worries, you'll pick it up!
[23:16] <JBunny> iceroot: i just want to know if there is a way to maximize my connection. get the most out of the 1.5mb/s i am paying for. that's all.
[23:17] <iceroot> JBunny: the most of 1.5mb/s is 1.5mb/s
[23:17] <iceroot> JBunny: what do you want to optimzie?
[23:17] <ubluntu> iceroot: you never even get 100% :-)
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: NES emulators aren't incredibly system intensive. Have you tried Unity2d session?
[23:17] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: so i write that commands in console?
[23:17] <iceroot> ubluntu: of course you can get 100% but inside the 100% there are also the header-infomations, crc and so on
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: I'd try Unity2D first
[23:18] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: What is that?
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: log off and select it in the cog menu at the login screen
[23:18] <JBunny> iceroot: i was hoping for a tool of some kind to make sure i get as much of that as i can. like i said, something similar if possible to the windows tool TCP Optimizer. I just want to try and get the best connection i can.
[23:18] <iceroot> JBunny: please dont trust strange windows-software which is telling you to speed up your internet-connection, or to optimize the system (regcleaner) and so on
[23:18] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: What does that to?
[23:19] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: just want to learn :)
[23:20] <iceroot> JBunny: wget http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/11.10/release/ubuntu-11.10-dvd-i386.iso
[23:20] <iceroot> JBunny: what is the result?
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: it doesn't need any 3D accelleration, may be smoother for you. Try it
[23:21] <WhiteOwl-m> hm, which GUI would you choose for ubuntu server if you are so windows-tarded that you just need something to click on? xubuntu?
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: you'll learn by trying
[23:21] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: ok thank you very much
[23:21] <iceroot> WhiteOwl-m: servers dont have a gui
[23:21] <ubluntu> WhiteOwl-m: yea or fluxbox
[23:21] <WhiteOwl-m> I know.
[23:21] <Crash_O-D> im trying to install video drivers and get jockey log http://paste.ubuntu.com/799978/
[23:21] <iceroot> WhiteOwl-m: why installing server-edition if you want a gui
[23:21] <WhiteOwl-m> I tried webmin but I read it's not supported
[23:21] <JBunny> iceroot: im not sure what you mean.
[23:21] <alien2050> WhiteOwl-m: i'd say KDE; similar look and feel as M$
[23:21] <WhiteOwl-m> fluxbox
[23:21] <iceroot> JBunny: download the iso to see your speed
[23:22] <WhiteOwl-m> ok, I note it
[23:22] <arphetic> Hi, how can i burn an iso file to an usb stick?
[23:22] <WhiteOwl-m> thank you very much :)
[23:22] <iceroot> JBunny: and see also that any of these strange optimiziers are useless
[23:22] <hicham> that is what i get:  Gtk-WARNING **: Kan themamodule niet vinden in modulepad: ‘pixmap
[23:22] <iceroot> arphetic: an ubuntu-iso?
[23:22] <WhiteOwl-m> well, iceroot, it's not gonna be a webserver.. more like a home
[23:22] <arphetic> a windows xp iso
[23:22] <arphetic> actually
[23:22] <iceroot> arphetic: ##windows
[23:23] <JBunny> iceroot: fluctuates anywhere from a few kb/s to 150kb/s
[23:23] <arphetic> ##windows wont tell me how to make a bootable usb disk in ubuntu
[23:23] <alien2050> arphetic: of course they wont ;) .... but try unetbootin
[23:23] <iceroot> arphetic: dd the image (if windows isos are supporting it)
[23:24] <iceroot> JBunny: wifi? or wired?
[23:24] <JBunny> iceroot: wired
[23:24] <iceroot> JBunny: 1.5MBit/s
[23:24] <iceroot> JBunny: ?
[23:24] <Crash_O-D> can someone help with my issue please/
[23:25] <JBunny> iceroot: that's what i pay for is 1.5mb/s
[23:25] <alien2050> arphetic: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[23:25] <Barnabas> anyone using HP servers ILO cards with ubuntu server
[23:25] <hicham> when i put this command: gksudo gedot /etc/apt/sources.list that is what i get : (gksudo:3513): Gtk-WARNING **: Kan themamodule niet vinden in modulepad: ‘pixmap’,
[23:25] <arphetic> alien2050, i just want to burn the installation file to the usb disk, not actually install XP on the disk. Will UnetBootin still do this?
[23:25] <iceroot> JBunny: MBit?
[23:25] <iceroot> JBunny: mb is normally used for MByte
[23:25] <acerimmer> !ask
[23:25] <Barnabas> how to enable console in a format ssh to ilo accepts
[23:25] <alien2050> arphetic: not sure I understand, but if you want a live USB with ubuntu on it, try this tool
[23:26] <Crash_O-D> im trying to install video drivers ati/amd fglrx and get jockey log http://paste.ubuntu.com/799978/ hoe do i fix this?
[23:26] <JBunny> iceroot: im paying for a 1.5megabyte connection. it's DSL.
[23:26] <alien2050> arphetic: cuz you're talking about XP which I don't get.... why......
[23:26] <hicham> someone?
[23:27] <Barnabas> and who .. WHO decided to change it from a standard console in the first place ... :-)
[23:27] <arphetic> alien2050, I have ubuntu, i want to install XP next to Ubuntu. Thus I dloaded an installation cd of XP, and im trying to burn that iso to a USB stick, so i can boot the installation from that USB stick, so i can install XP next to ubuntu
[23:27] <alien2050> hicham: it shouldn't matter
[23:27] <iceroot> JBunny: so its DSL 12.000? never heard of such a strange value
[23:27] <alien2050> hicham: if it opens, then it's fine, ignore the warnings
[23:27] <iceroot> JBunny: i only know 2000, 6000 and 16000 DSL and 25000/50000 VDSL
[23:28] <hicham> it doesn't open alien2050
[23:28] <alien2050> arphetic: usually it's the other way around, because M$ will gladly erase your boot sector
[23:28] <JBunny> iceroot: im not sure what you mean but i have AT&T and upgraded to what they said was 1.5megabytes from there lowest which was something like 768 kilobytes.
[23:28] <alien2050> hicham: are u doing a remote session (ssh -X) ?
[23:28] <arphetic> i know
[23:28] <arphetic> its backed up
[23:28] <alien2050> hicham: maybe your display variable isn't set in this case
[23:28] <hicham> alien 2050 what do you mean
[23:28] <acerimmer> arphetic: and the M$ boot sector erase is why it's recommended to install ubuntu AFTER m$
[23:28] <iceroot> JBunny: i just thing you get MegaBit and MegaByte wrong
[23:29] <iceroot> JBunny: connection speed is normally always used with MBit and not MByte
[23:29] <paolo1> someone help me please
[23:29] <alien2050> hicham: well, if you got an X session opened, usually a simple gedit should work
[23:29] <paolo1> ?
[23:29] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: didn't do the trick :(
[23:29] <JBunny> iceroot: i did not know that
[23:29] <paolo1> i want update kernel
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> paolo1: ask away
[23:29] <israel> paolo1: and ur problem is?
[23:29] <alien2050> hicham: you can also try "vi" but it's a little bit more advanced although much more powerful
[23:29] <hicham> and what is an x session? it is my first time i work with linux
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> paolo1: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:29] <paolo1> but i have backtrack 5 based ubuntu 10.05 lts
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> paolo1: ask in #backtrack-linux
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> paolo1: backtrack isn't supported here
[23:30] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: I know the hardware works, i played even n64 in windows on this computer
[23:30] <paolo1> i not know becouse i banned
[23:30] <iceroot> JBunny: and 1.5MBit are 1500KBit which is 187.5KByte
[23:30] <arphetic> alien2050, also I was trying to just write the iso to a cd, however ubuntu doesnt recognize my cd when i put it in
[23:30] <alien2050> hicham: if you have a 2d interface in front of you and your mouse is moving, then you have an Xsession opened
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: different OS has different support.
[23:30] <iceroot> JBunny: so a download speed of 150Kbyte is very good because there are also header informations for the package and so on (overhead)
[23:30] <alien2050> hicham: beit kde, gnome, etc
[23:30] <iceroot> JBunny: so your connection is fine
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> paolo1: then ask in #freenode
[23:31] <hicham> no, i don't think i have an 2d session now opend
[23:31] <paolo1> i have see http://www.kernel.org/ kernel 3.1.8 stable
[23:31] <JBunny> iceroot: sorry. guess i misunderstood then. thanks
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> laSt_duDe: try 12.04 live CD,  or 10.04 live CD, see if it helps
[23:31] <alien2050> hicham: so you got a console in front of you, not a graphical session
[23:31] <paolo1> can add this kernel in my backtrack
[23:31] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: but nes emulation wouldn't even need 3d acceleration, that has to work here too or not?
[23:31] <iceroot> !backtrack | paolo1
[23:31] <alien2050> hicham: then definitely go with "vi"
[23:31] <alien2050> it'll work
[23:32] <laSt_duDe> ActionParsnip: ok i try thx
[23:32] <Crash_O-D> im trying to install video drivers ati/amd fglrx and get jockey log http://paste.ubuntu.com/799978/ how do i fix this?
[23:32] <hicham> a maybe it is an 2d if it is graphic and the mouse in front of me is moving
[23:32] <paolo1> i ' m banned in backtrack
[23:32] <alien2050> arphetic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[23:32] <iceroot> paolo1: and this is not backtrack support channel
[23:32] <paolo1> ok
[23:32] <alien2050> arphetic: try with the utility "k3b" or "brasero"
[23:33] <paolo1> i not resolve never this problem
[23:33] <paolo1> i can t entry in backtrack
[23:33] <iceroot> paolo1: #freenode
[23:33] <iceroot> paolo1: we are not the backtrack channel and we are not the freenode channel
[23:33] <iceroot> paolo1: sorry
[23:33] <hicham> alien2050 is there another way to instal flashplayer?
[23:33] <paolo1> and in backtrack-it No one answers ever
[23:34] <paolo1> he have 8 user
[23:34] <iceroot> paolo1: to be honest, we dont care
[23:34] <arphetic> alien2050, to burn to CD you mean?
[23:34] <alien2050> hicham: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[23:34] <alien2050> arphetic: yep
[23:34] <TA5K> Hi, when is the official kernel 3.2 upgrade for Ubuntu 11.10 expected?
[23:34] <arphetic> alien2050, due to some bug, Ubuntu wont recognise my cdrom drive
[23:34] <alien2050> arphetic: try unetbootin if you want to burn to usb
[23:34] <arphetic> so thats not going to work
[23:34] <iceroot> TA5K: never
[23:35] <alien2050> arphetic: then burn directly the iso to USB, forget cd
[23:35] <tellone> what does the /dev/log file do?
[23:35] <israel> !log | tellone
[23:36] <paolo1> i have only 1 question.. in backtrack5 I update the kernel and put the 3.1.8 from the site http://www.kernel.org?
[23:36] <TA5K> iceroot: so I go for the manual install, thanks
[23:36] <paolo1> only this question
[23:36] <israel> tellone: it store a lot of linux log's
[23:36] <iceroot> paolo1: are you not listening?
[23:36] <ddsfsd> ğ
[23:36] <ddsfsd> ş
[23:36] <ddsfsd> s
[23:36] <JBunny> one more question while i'm here: can anyone recommend a book or site that can help me better learn to use Ubuntu? This is my second day in Ubuntu and I'd really like to learn.
[23:36] <paolo1> answer yes or not
[23:36] <paolo1> and i go
[23:36] <arphetic> trying unetbootin now
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> paolo1: your OS isn't supported here
[23:37] <nerxgas> how do i restore my boot partition to factory settings, the computer store wont accept my return because the laptop has ubuntu installed!
[23:37] <iceroot> paolo1: that is even not a question from you
[23:37] <hicham> alien2050 you are the best man!!
[23:37] <paolo1> ok bye
[23:37] <iceroot> paolo1: and now stop this backtrack-thing
[23:37] <acerimmer> JBunny: http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-Benjamin-Hill/dp/0132748509
[23:37] <jason> I was wondering if anyone has used GAMIN package before and if it allows notifications via email when changes occur?
[23:37] <israel> JBunny: u dont need books there's a lot of information in the net just search tutorials
[23:38] <daya> I am trying to compile  C program in Ubuntu 11.10 including pow function with gcc -lm <file.c>, it says, undefined reference to pow, any idea?
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> daya: have you asked in #c
[23:38] <arphetic> Btw, im going to follow the following manual: http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm . This covers the MBR too i think alien2050
[23:38] <JBunny> israel: any you would recommend? i'm essentially brand new so I was hoping to find something written very plainly.
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> nerxgas: you may need to add a boot option so that the recovery partiton boots (assuming you didn't remove it)
[23:39] <tellone> thanks ubottu have been looking for that link forever
[23:39] <daya> ActionParsnip, I raised the issue in #gcc, yet to get the response
[23:40] <WhiteOwl-m> I have a prelimenary question to all my questions tomorrow
[23:40] <WhiteOwl-m> does anyone have a good guide which helps with compiling?
[23:40] <trism> daya: you need to specify the libraries after the code in oneiric, so: gcc file.c -lm
[23:40] <JoshieS> what are the system requirmentd
[23:40] <WhiteOwl-m> I have a wlan usb stick which is not supported by ubuntu but I can compile that win-driver-program to do it..
[23:40] <israel> JBunny: i've never read a book, i just have the problem and i read about the problem =(
[23:41] <daya> trism, hmm, it works, thanks, does it makes any difference on the use of -lm option before and after the file.
[23:41] <JBunny> israel: ok. i guess thats how i'll have to try and handle it for now.
[23:41] <TA5K> What does PAE mean in "linux-image-3.2.0-030200-generic-pae"
[23:41] <JBunny> bye everyone
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> !pae
[23:42] <TA5K> !pae
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> TA5K: the link explains it
[23:42] <TA5K> ActionParsnip: nice hint, thx
[23:43] <tellone> wait is /dev/log an irc-log?
[23:44] <Crash_O-D> can anyone help or direct me were to get help please on im trying to install video drivers ati/amd fglrx and get check jockey log http://paste.ubuntu.com/799978/ how do i fix this?
[23:44] <escott> banshee seems to like to rename my files and then stop halfway through. if I played my entire album collection I think I could trigger it to rename things consistently, but is there another way I can do this?
[23:44] <josh123a123> can some one help me with the ubuntu install, its getting stuck after the reboot, just after the install trys to start
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> josh123a123: what GPU do you use?
[23:45] <josh123a123> what...
[23:45] <Crash_O-D> graphics card
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> josh123a123: what video card do you use?
[23:45] <israel> josh123a123: =S
[23:45] <josh123a123> geforce 540
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> josh123a123: GPU == graphical processing unit
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> josh123a123: then your GPU is a GeForce 540 ;)
[23:46] <aBound> I use a GeForce 580M GTX. :P
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> josh123a123: add the boot option:  nouveau.blacklist=1
[23:46] <TA5K> aBound: and it works in powersave mode??
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> I use a Gefore 6150LE  ....
[23:47] <aBound> TA5K, Powersave mode where's that at?
[23:47] <alien2050> hicham: np, glad I could help
[23:47] <TA5K> aBound: or do you  struggle the same powerconsumption problem with linux on notebooks?
[23:48] <aBound> TA5K, Haven't a clue I'm sure the power regression hasn't been fixed yet.
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> TA5K: my notebook runs power stuff just dandy
[23:48] <aBound> At times my battery life will say 1hr or 2hrs left.
[23:48] <TA5K> aBound: If I use Win7 with my 940M I have around 10h battery time, if I use Ubuntu I have 1.5h :(
[23:49] <aBound> TA5K, By default my laptop only has a battery life of 2.5hrs.
[23:49] <aBound> From what the website told me about it.
[23:50] <TA5K> aBound: so your 540m is eating too much :)
[23:51] <oneliner> well thats another nice surprise ,.. no java?
[23:51] <oneliner> anyone knows if eclipse runs OK with open jdk?
[23:51] <TA5K> aBound: I'm just on it because I tried to disable my NV GPU via bumblebee or ironhead yesterday, but unfortunately it's still enabled
[23:52] <TA5K> These are really sad days for using Linux on mobile devices ... I wish I find a solution
[23:52] <aBound> TA5K, Well I think the battery in itself is a 3-Cell battery.
[23:52] <rixter_> anyone use the imdb-tools package?
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> TA5K: that dual gpu nonsense isnothing but a headacahe
[23:52] <aBound> From what I heard the Macbook Pros have a battery life of up to 7hrs but use a 6-cell battery instead of 3.
[23:54] <alien2050> oneliner: pretty sure it should work fine, provided you link the bins properly for eclipse to find
[23:54] <rixter_> so... no one uses the imdb-tools?
[23:55] <alien2050> oneliner: did you look here : http://hype-free.blogspot.com/2008/06/using-eclipse-with-openjdk-6-on-ubuntu.html
[23:56] <aBound> TA5K, This is the machine I run on. More or less it's probably a power regression issue in the kernel.
[23:56] <aBound> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/system76-serval-professional-review/
[23:57] <oneliner> alien2050: will peek
[23:57] <TA5K> ActionParsnip: I totally agree... I changed to Linux with 11.04 .. and I would like to use Linux only, but it's simply not possible because of the dual-gpu ***
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> TA5K: should've researched a little ;)
[23:58] <mash_> l
[23:59] <WhiteOwl-m> yeah, not properly researching cost me 40 bucks today, but I might be able to fix it :D
[23:59] <aBound> For my laptop it says this: The laptop comes with a 6 cell battery by default which lasts around 2.5 hours under general use
[23:59] <Frantic_> Hello!
[23:59] <aBound> Battery life does suck on my laptop.