[20:26] <newz2000> hi, I'm going to update the launchpad auth code for the fridge
[20:27] <newz2000> I think
[20:27] <tyche> OH!  NO!  Does this mean that I'm going to have trouble logging in again?  LOL  j/k
[20:27] <newz2000> the goal is for things to get better, not worse
[20:27] <newz2000> the developer has applied some bug fixes to his code
[20:29] <tyche> I WAS joking.  However, if you'll let me know when it's done, I'll be glad to try it out for you.  I won't be back until about 3:00 PM MST (UTC -7). But I'd be happy to do troubleshooting for you, then.
[20:30] <tyche> I learned a LONG time ago that sometimes it's good to have someone on the outside that can feed information back.
[20:30] <newz2000> definitely
[20:30] <newz2000> I'm in Central timezone so that's 4:00 my time, that should be great.
[20:30] <tyche> NP then
[20:30] <newz2000> It appears there's no upgrade feature so I have to remove and reinstall the module meaning no access for a short time.
[20:31] <tyche> Well, like I said, I'll be back in about 2 1/2 hours, and I'll ping you then.
[20:31] <newz2000> thanks
[20:31] <tyche> NP.  That's what we're here for.  Hee hee
[21:31] <newz2000> I seem to have lost the login button
[21:32] <newz2000> did it get moved somewhere?
[21:32] <newz2000> (before i started upgrading)
[21:54] <newz2000> ok, I think openid is now working properly. I reset some of the settings back to defaults but everything appears to be working.
[21:54] <newz2000> I've got to step away for a few min, but ping me if you find a prob and I'll address when I return.
[22:42] <tyche> newz2000: Using http://fridge.ubuntu.com/launchpad I was able to log in without any trouble.
[22:54] <newz2000> cool


[09:15] <kwwii> moin moin
[09:15] <DanaG> Huh?
[09:15] <DanaG> Random: /me is a unicode addict:
[09:15] <DanaG> Running with ✂.  And throwing ✈ at stuff.  I ♥ Unicode!
[09:15] <kwwii> :-)
[09:16] <DanaG> Oh, what fun can be had in gucharmap.
[09:16] <DanaG> And in the scim-tables-additional "LATEX" table.
[14:15] <nothlit`core> kwwii: cory's looking for you btw
[17:36] <thebishop> hello
[17:36] <thebishop> to what extent is Ubuntu reaching out to the DeviantArt and/or Flickr communities?
[17:44] <troy_s> thebishop: This isn't about DeviantArt nor Flickr.
[17:46] <thebishop> its about ubuntu artwork, right?
[17:48] <thebishop> i was talking to some graphic designers over the weekend and they are all OSX/Photoshop users.  with so many FOSS projects in need of more attractive artwork, it seems those social networks could help a lot
[18:29] <troy_s> thebishop: No, it is not.
[18:29] <troy_s> thebishop: The issue of which you speak is execution.
[18:29] <troy_s> thebishop: Execution is a far ways along the line.
[18:30] <troy_s> thebishop: Before execution, one must have the proper environment to permit execution to happen.
[18:31] <thebishop> i'm not sure i follow
[18:31] <troy_s> thebishop: And that is part of the problem.
[18:32] <troy_s> thebishop:  1) "in need of more attractive artwork"  More attractive -- define?
[18:32] <troy_s> 2) Even if you arrive at a satisfactory answer, the following question would be "Is it desired?"
[18:33] <thebishop> you don't think there's a perception that Ubuntu and/or linux in general is still fairly bland to look at?  Compiz notwithstanding
[18:34] <thebishop> i show it to my friends and they thing the effects are cool, but widgets, window borders and icons need improvement
[18:35] <troy_s> thebishop: That is a rather grossly oversimplified statement.
[18:35] <thebishop> "improvement"
[18:35] <thebishop> ?
[18:35] <troy_s> thebishop: Improvement.  Again, it isn't that I disagree with you, but you seem to think that it is a simple thing to 1) achieve 2) implement given a particular culture.
[18:35] <troy_s> thebishop: It is a vacuous term.
[18:35] <thebishop> i never said that
[18:36] <thebishop> more what i'm getting at is making Ubuntu/gnu/linux an attractive platform for artists the way it is currently a very attractive platform for coders
[18:36] <troy_s> thebishop: Ok... _now_ you are speaking more clearly
[18:37] <troy_s> thebishop: But you also said "Ubuntu", which would be Ubuntu 'main' correct?
[18:37] <thebishop> which may also have the upstream benefit of more icon sets, themes, UI ideas, etc being available to everyone
[18:38] <troy_s> thebishop: That is more dealt with by the 'is it desired' question.  ;)  Remember, the bulk of the developers and such are quite happy with Tango.
[18:38] <thebishop> and Tango doesn't go away if other options are available
[18:39] <thebishop> i certainly don't think Tango is bad
[18:39] <troy_s> thebishop: Sure.  And to that end there is nothing stopping you from developing an icon set.
[18:39] <thebishop> i'm a coder, not an graphic designer
[18:40] <troy_s> thebishop: That probably makes things more difficult.
[18:40] <troy_s> thebishop: So I guess we have "improvement" that would be directed at someone.
[18:41] <thebishop> right, which brings us back to the original question
[18:41] <troy_s> thebishop: a UI idea that is directed at someone
[18:41] <thebishop> is there any outreach to the big social networks for artwork
[18:41] <troy_s> thebishop: and an icon set that is both directed at someone _and_ that someone else will need to complete.
[18:42] <troy_s> thebishop: You still are missing the point unfortunately.  1) There is nothing stopping you from creating something / reaching out / etc.
[18:42] <troy_s> thebishop: 2) There is the question of audience.  Who is this for?  Will it work?  As well as other complications.
[18:42] <troy_s> thebishop: 3) The question of whether or not the people who own and run the projects desire it.
[18:43] <troy_s> thebishop: See a few problems / complications yet?
[18:43] <thebishop> so long as the projects in question are theme-able and most of them are, it doesn't really matter if the maintainers/owners/contributers want it
[18:43] <thebishop> and this is Free Software we're talking about
[18:44] <thebishop> so "own" is a somewhat relative concept
[18:45] <troy_s> thebishop: Sure... and that gets you back to my other statement.  "Go forth and create"
[18:45] <thebishop> i think some organization would be more effective than an individual
[18:46] <troy_s> thebishop: Then establish it.
[18:46] <troy_s> thebishop: I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the simplicity that you wish to see is simply non existent.
[18:46] <thebishop> some already exist (Ubuntu art, Canonical, etc)
[18:46] <thebishop> it seems like a question of marketing more than a technical issue
[18:47] <thebishop> which has been a traditional weakness of Free Software
[18:47] <thebishop> which is partly why such organizations are developed
[18:49] <troy_s> thebishop:  And yet ubuntu grows at a tremendous pace regardless.
[18:50] <thebishop> and that's great
[18:50] <thebishop> but who is it attracting?
[18:55] <troy_s> thebishop: Now you are starting to sound like me... ;)
[18:56] <thebishop> ?
[18:56] <DanaG> I use the Tangerine icons, myself.
[18:56] <troy_s> thebishop: I couldn't answer your question for a start.
[18:57] <troy_s> thebishop: I'd like to help you out, but thus far, I don't have anything concrete to help with.
[18:57] <thebishop> well, there isn't an concrete answer
[18:57] <thebishop> and i find coders generally don't want to talk about nontechnical questions
[18:58] <troy_s> thebishop: Ok.
[18:59] <thebishop> but i think if you look at Free Software, generally coders use it, so as a result, its generally secure, well-designed, robust featureset, etc
[19:00] <thebishop> if more artists, musicians, directors, used it, we'd probably find those areas of the experience improve as well
 if more artists, musicians, directors, used it, we'd probably find those areas of the experience improve as well
[19:20] <troy_s> Amen.
[19:21] <troy_s> thebishop: Better still, you gain the allegiance of some powerful and influential subcultures.
[19:21] <thebishop> troy_s, so what do you think would convince creative-types to move from OSX to Ubuntu?
[19:21] <troy_s> thebishop: Well they have... remember that about 99.9% of your top Hollywood box office hits were created on a Free Software platforms.
[19:22] <troy_s> thebishop: The problem is that the tools are in-house (as they are with the video game industry as well)
[19:22] <troy_s> thebishop: So it is two pronged.  1) tools.  2) posture.
[19:22] <thebishop> what sort of posture?
[19:22] <troy_s> thebishop: How open to the culture you appear -- which is what I believe you are, in the end, getting at.
[19:23] <thebishop> that's certainly part of it
[19:23] <troy_s> thebishop: Apple did / does a tremendous job of talking to that audience demographic.
[19:23] <thebishop> but i think we have to be more proactive
[19:23] <thebishop> right
[19:23] <troy_s> thebishop: Being proactive is a good thing.  Again though, what you speak of is hideously complicated.  Ubuntu _also_ desperately needs developers and developer support.
[19:24] <troy_s> thebishop: One could probably suggest that a 'remix' would work to this end -- in this case it would probably be Ubuntu Studio.
[19:25] <troy_s> thebishop: It all starts and ends with audience.
[19:26] <troy_s> thebishop: Right now, I believe we are going through the growing pains of learning that.  I have harped on and ranted about it for god knows how long.
[19:26] <troy_s> thebishop: Unfortunately, it is something that people of the brain smarts that we have in our culture (extremely high) can't be told.  They must learn it for themselves.
[19:27] <thebishop> the problem i see with ubuntu studio is that its designed to be overly utilitarian.  It makes total sense running Ardour as barebones as possible, but i think people want to work in a an environment that is visually appealing
[19:28] <thebishop> ubuntu studio is the kind of thing you'd use in a production environment, not on your personal machine
[19:28] <troy_s> thebishop: A rather big "I think" in there.  I honestly don't know.
[19:28] <troy_s> Greetings thorwil
[19:28] <thorwil> hi troy_s
[19:29] <thorwil> heh, my personal machine is my production environment :)
[19:29] <thebishop> heh
[19:29] <thebishop> gnome-terminal is my production environment
[19:30] <thebishop> i don't mean to put responsibility or blame on anyone, but i do think we're getting the point where technical competency isn't the bottleneck
[19:31] <thebishop> there are problem non-coders who would be interested in facilitating these kinds of "postures"
[19:31] <thebishop> :s/problem/probably
[19:32] <thebishop> but for instance, mentioning what new features people want in Gimp can be a volatile conversation
[19:33] <troy_s> thebishop: And that gets back to culture.
[19:33] <troy_s> thebishop: It is one thing going from a culture where everyone is the culmination of scratching one's own itches to being responsive to the itches of others.
[19:34] <thebishop> definitely
[19:35] <thebishop> maybe there's a way to give nontechnical people tools to scratch their own itches, and also contribute back to the community
[19:36] <thebishop> things like Screenlets for example
[21:46] <Mariux> hi there
[21:46] <troy_s> Hello Mariux
[21:48] <Mariux> hi troy_s
[21:48] <Mariux> maybe you can help me
[21:48] <Mariux> i just subscribed the artwork mailing list
[21:48] <Mariux> and now i want to create a Wiki page about me
[21:48] <Mariux> how can i do this?
[21:49] <troy_s> Mariux: Very easily.
[21:49] <troy_s> Mariux: What is your Launchpad ID?
[21:49] <Mariux> i've no Launchpad ID
[21:50] <Mariux> do i need one?
[21:50] <Mariux> how can i get it?
[21:50] <troy_s> Mariux: Yes.  It will be what you logon to the Wiki using as well.
[21:50] <troy_s> Mariux: Start by going to the Wiki to see if it is still set up with the Launchpad IDs...
[21:50] <troy_s> Mariux: http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[21:51] <Mariux> well but if i subscribed the mailing list using my email and then i'll use the same for launchpad can it works?
[21:53] <troy_s> Mariux: It should.
[21:53] <troy_s> Mariux: Just try logging into the Wiki
[21:55] <Mariux> logging using my launchpad id?
[21:55] <Mariux> or my email?
[21:55] <troy_s> Mariux: Go to the wiki, and try to logon.  When it doesn't let you, sign up for an account.  It will do the rest.
[21:56] <troy_s> Mariux:  in the past, it made you sign up at launchpad.
[21:56] <troy_s> Mariux: I suspect it still will.
[21:56] <Mariux> well but i already have an id on the wiki
[21:56] <Mariux> that is Mariux3
[21:56] <troy_s> Mariux: Then go to the page that you wish to create -- usually via launchpad it will be something like FirstnameLastname
[21:57] <troy_s> so http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MariuxLastname
[21:57] <Mariux> oh cool
[21:57] <Mariux> nice
[21:57] <troy_s> Mariux: Then simply click 'create page' and carry on.
[21:57] <Mariux> THX:-D
[21:58] <Mariux> only one question
[21:58] <Mariux> if i want to logout as Mariux3 and login as Mariux how can i do this?
[21:58] <troy_s> Mariux: Uh... when you created your user name did you try Mariux?
[21:58] <troy_s> Mariux: If you did, and it was taken, you can't change your logon.  That would be a different account.
[21:59] <Mariux> ah ok
[21:59] <Mariux> probably mariux was already gone
[21:59] <Mariux> thx ;-)
[22:00] <troy_s> Mariux: Well try it.
[22:00] <troy_s> Mariux: if it is taken, it will tell you.
[22:00] <Mariux> but where can i logout?
[22:01] <Mariux> sorry i can't find it
[22:02] <troy_s> Mariux: It's ok.
[22:02] <troy_s> Mariux: Top right generally on Ubuntu related places
[22:02] <troy_s> Mariux: But it isn't exactly a consistent place... just look around.
[22:03] <Mariux> ok thx
[22:04] <Mariux> maybe i have to clear the cookies
[22:04] <troy_s> Mariux: No... it shouldn't need it unless you set your browser to autologon.
[22:05] <Mariux> yeah autologon  is set
[22:05] <Mariux> everytime i open the wiki i'm logged as mariux3
[22:06] <troy_s> Mariux: Hrm... under 'User Preferences" at the bottom above "First Time"
[22:06] <troy_s> Mariux: Is the 'logout' button (great design)
[22:07] <Mariux> ahahah ok thx
[22:07] <Mariux> didn't see it
[22:07] <Mariux> ;_)
[22:07] <Mariux> thx again troy_s!!!!!!
[22:07] <troy_s> Mariux: No problem friend.
[22:11] <Mariux> only one thing
[22:11] <Mariux> what is a wikiname?
[22:11] <troy_s> Mariux: A term used to reference a wiki page.
[22:12] <troy_s> Mariux: CamelCase works... as do underscores for spaces
[22:12] <troy_s> Mariux: For example Space_Between or CamelCase
[22:12] <Mariux> no ok
[22:12] <troy_s> Mariux: That help?
[22:12] <Mariux> well
[22:13] <Mariux> so my username can be Mariux4 and my wikiname Mariux?
[22:13] <Mariux> is this?
[22:13] <troy_s> Your username isn't terribly relevant Mariux
[22:13] <troy_s> Mariux: Your home page name is generally something like MariuxLastname
[22:13] <troy_s> Mariux: Look at what Launchpad has attempted to autoset for you.
[22:14] <troy_s> Mariux: But FirstnameLastname works
[22:14] <troy_s> Mariux: Any other questions?  I must bolt out to get a new jar of India ink.
[22:15] <Mariux> so if it's autoset to Mariux4 i have to create the wikipage Mariux4
[22:15] <Mariux> correct?


[07:51] <mlischke> Hi, I have a bzr repository on a server without working tree and when I run "bzr status" (or "bzr merge.." what is my original intent) I get the error "bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for..".
[07:51] <mlischke> Shouldn't that work also for tree-less branches?
[07:52] <lifeless> no
[07:52] <lifeless> status reports on the tree status
[07:52] <lifeless> it has no meaning for tree-less branches
[07:52] <lifeless> bzr info will work
[07:53] <mlischke> hmm, forget bzr status then, it was just a test, actually I want to merge another branch into this one
[07:53] <mlischke> (bzr info works as expected)
[07:53] <lifeless> well you'll need a tree :)
[07:58] <mlischke> sounds a bit … weird, I can create a branch without working tree, shoudn't I be able to merge from the parent tree to the copy also without a tree?
[07:59] <lifeless> no, because merge's job is to prepare an updated tree.
[07:59] <lifeless> when you commit the merge you can push the commit to a treeless branch
[08:02] <mlischke> Ok, so what can I do to to make the copy take all changes from another branch? Create a tree in the copy, merge, remove tree?
[08:04] <lifeless> mlischke: either do the merge elsewhere and push the result of the merge to the branch, or checkout the branch and do the merge in the checkout.
[08:05] <mlischke> hmm, actually, this was my first approach, I have a checkout of both branches, but that gives me a criss-cross
[08:05] <lifeless> mlischke: for instance; if you want to do this directly on the server; bzr checkout --lightweight $(branchpath) /tmp/foo; cd /tmp/foo; bzr merge $(otherbranch); bzr commit -m "Merged otherbranch";cd ..; rm -rf foo.
[08:06] <mlischke> ok, let me try this on the server...
[08:06] <mlischke> Previously I only tried locally
[08:06] <lifeless> mlischke: criss-cross merges are a result of having an ambiguous history, not of the trees
[08:07] <lifeless> you'll get that everywhere until it's resolved.
[08:07] <mlischke> hmm, so it wouldn't help to merge on the server?
[08:07] <mlischke> I always have to resolve criss-cross issues?
[08:08] <mlischke> My hope was it would be simpler to solve when doing it on the server, but if that wouldn't help I can as well go through the hassle and clean it up locally
[08:14] <mlischke> lifeless: thanks, I see the same criss-cross merge problem on the server...
[08:14] <lifeless> mlischke: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-reference/criss-cross-help.html
[08:15] <mlischke> yes, thanks, have read this already
[08:15] <mlischke> and use weave, but got +50 conflicts, so I was looking for an easier approach
[08:15] <lifeless> so yes, you will see it everywhere until its been resolved (by merging into one or the other side)
[08:15] <mlischke> seems I have to bite the bullet
[08:15] <lifeless> sorry yeah
[08:16] <lifeless> this tends to happen if you merge branch A to branch B and B to A without picking up the prior merge of A to B
[08:17] <mlischke> It was a chain like this: A -> B, A -> C, now C -> B (as preparation for a later merge back to C)
[08:18] <lifeless> that can do it
[08:18] <lifeless> one way you might be able to fix it
[08:18] <mlischke> C -> B is rather C merge to B, not a branch
[08:18] <lifeless> merge C->B with -r - and choose the revision of C right before the merge of A->C
[08:18] <lifeless> commit that
[08:19] <lifeless> then merge C->B without -r
[08:21] <mlischke> thanks, will try that
[11:34] <icebrain> Hi! I'm thinking of setting up a readonly bzr server. Is it safe to give access using bzr_ssh_path_limiter?
[11:35] <icebrain> safe enough to, say, publish the access information publicly?
[12:25] <mgz> should be, you can just expose over http, which is reasonable performance for smaller repos
[17:03] <wedgwood> anyone know of good examples of how to do the bzrlib equivalents of status (minimally checking for changes), revert, and clean-tree?
[17:11] <beuno> wedgwood, I can help after lunch
[17:11] <wedgwood> beuno: much appreciated
[17:12] <wedgwood> I was just about to grab the bazaar source, but I'm nearly certain there's a more concise way
[17:12] <beuno> wedgwood, have you seen this?  http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/Integrating_with_Bazaar
[17:12] <beuno> it won't have exactly what you're looking for, but it may tp you in the right direction
[17:12] <beuno> IIRC, what you want to operate on is the working tree
[17:14] <wedgwood> no, I hadn't seen that. It does cover the status/diff bits. I'll see if I can find the rest.
[17:14]  * beuno goes eat
[17:15] <wedgwood> I see WorkingTree.revert (undocumented). Looks promising.
[18:01] <wedgwood> beuno: I found everything I need. thanks for the pointer
[18:19] <beuno> wedgwood, w00t, np


[14:40] <Pendulum> If I get a chance I'll e-mail the list about this too, but http://blobolobolob.blogspot.com/2012/04/blogging-against-disablism-day-will-be.html
[14:40] <Pendulum> anyone can blog for it
[14:40] <Pendulum> I've blogged in the past on various topics
[14:40] <Pendulum> I'm hoping to blog this year (although probably not on anything open source related because I have other things on my mind)
[22:06] <TheMuso> Pendulum: I am around now, and this is technically still your weekend. :)
[22:06] <Pendulum> TheMuso: it's good enough. I'm just leaving for CA in the morning which is why I specified weekend ;-)
[22:08] <TheMuso> Ok.
[22:08] <Pendulum> TheMuso: please see PM


[01:03] <Laney> lifeless: I think your retitling of #648611 narrows the scope a bit much (the comments suggest some extra granularity that is desirable)
[01:03] <_mup_> Bug #648611: ubuntu-sru either have too much or too little permission as queue admins <lp-soyuz> <queue-page> <rls-mgr-o-tracking> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/648611 >
[01:05] <Laney> perhaps something like "Ubuntu teams are not able to manage upload queues as they need to"
[02:44] <lifeless> Laney: I think both would be ok; as a problem statement the goal is to frame the problem and aid duplicate finding
[02:44] <lifeless> feel free to remind me next week; today is frenetic
[03:31] <rick_h__> lifeless: when the MP is deployed with the bug you commented on get marked fix released as well since I marked it a dupe?
[03:31] <rick_h__> lifeless: or should I link up the dupe bug to the MP as well?
[03:40] <lifeless> rick_h__: dupes don't need to be marked fixed released etc
[03:41] <rick_h__> lifeless: ok thanks
[03:41] <lifeless> rick_h__: so its all good; thanks for marking it up
[03:41] <lifeless> I was sure there was a bug :)_
[03:41] <rick_h__> yep, np
[15:09] <Laney> apparently I can't edit the LP dev wiki, but https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/LXC could do with an explicit note to enable update in #10
[15:09] <Laney> -updates
[15:10] <nigelb> wait, why can't you edit.
[15:11] <Laney> dunno
[15:11] <Laney> where should the link be?
[15:12] <nigelb> you need to login first.
[15:12] <Laney> yes
[15:13]  * tumbleweed can't either
[15:13] <tumbleweed> "You are not allowed to edit this page."
[15:15] <nigelb> let me try to make a small change.
[15:16] <nigelb> Laney: what change do you want added?
[15:16] <nigelb> I can directly try doign that instead of spamming
[15:16] <Laney> Enable multiverse and -updates
[15:17] <nigelb> Is that in 1. ?
[15:18] <nigelb> Laney: changed.
[15:18] <Laney> n10
[15:18] <Laney> ta
[15:19] <nigelb> oh drat
[15:19] <nigelb> in 10?
[15:19]  * nigelb fixes
[15:19] <nigelb> Fixed.
[17:16] <Laney> Let's say I want to look at #861488 as it seems like it could be doable as a first fix... is there any way I can import some test data into my local instance to help me out? or how would you go about getting the data set up?
[17:16] <_mup_> Bug #861488: Mention sync requester on package version page <api> <derivation> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/861488 >
[17:20] <stub> Laney: I don't know if anyone has any suitable test data already created for working on that issue. Unfortunately all the people who might know won't be available this weekend.
[17:21] <Laney> yeah, the weekend effect. Never mind, I'll poke around.
[17:21] <stub> Laney: Easiest way of creating most test data is just using the webui. Not sure about packaging info though.


 There are four types of ip packets. Unicast, multicast, anycast and Comcast. Only 3 of which send data.
 It's a networking joke
 Hahhahaha
 Comcast sends a packet... In the form of an overpriced bill
 (y)
 Wait, there's an Ubuntu conference in Merritt island?
 @AdamOutler - http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/04/10/google-home-app-says-multiple-users-now-supported/
 @Abrerr, Huh, not that I know of
 Yea, me either lol
[14:43] <clvx> Abrerr, not yet.. I'm proposing to give some talks about LXD in Merritt Island|Melbourne.
 Let us know when you do, I am up for a short roadtrip
 Sounds fun
[15:02] <clvx> =D


[09:59] <lizdeika> crimsun: dunno what to say :)
[09:59] <crimsun> Destructo: sudo dpkg -i
[09:59] <Destructo> k
[10:00] <usrdel> Any way I can specify the default terminal window size when launching the application?
[10:00] <melazyboy> noooooo
[10:00] <melazyboy> errors encountered while processing fglrx-drvier
[10:00] <melazyboy> wtf now
[10:00] <crimsun> I believe daniels mentioned not installing it.
[10:00] <spdf> melazyboy, What are the errors, and what were you doing when it gave that error?
[10:00] <spdf> melazyboy, Are you compiling right now?
[10:01] <Cygnusx|Weg> already in front of warty, crimsun? :)
[10:01] <usrdel> Your kidding me.
[10:01] <melazyboy> spdf: not compiling it just apted it when i got the news
[10:01] <spdf> Ahh..I just built it myself from the rpm..
[10:01] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: it's running security updates.
[10:01] <melazyboy> im not on the box im using the drivers on, this is my dedicated irc box
[10:02] <spdf> You have a computer dedicated to irc?
[10:02] <Cygnusx|Weg> ah
[10:02] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:02] <melazyboy> something about unpacking the .deb subprocesses pre-installation scriopt returned error exit status 2
[10:02] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun: do you know with what command i can shutdown gnome?
[10:02] <melazyboy> errors were encoutered while processing ____.deb sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:03] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: log out of gdm
[10:03] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes,
[10:03] <Cygnusx|Weg> and then crimsun
[10:03] <Cygnusx|Weg> i mean
[10:03] <Cygnusx|Weg> how
[10:03] <crimsun> ...and you're out of gnome.
[10:03] <melazyboy> Cygnusx|Weg: ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:03] <Destructo> hmmm where is gccput after install ?
[10:03] <eruin> why oh why does cedega have to go retarded
[10:04] <Cygnusx|Weg> melazyboy: now i am logged out :{
[10:04] <usrdel> /usr/bin/gcc
[10:05] <melazyboy> Ah i found the problem
[10:05] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: you wanted to "shutdown" gnome, no?
[10:05] <melazyboy> I was running a macro before to apt-get fglrx-driver, and now its xorg-fglrx-driver
[10:05] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes
[10:05] <Cygnusx|Weg> and then start XPDE
[10:05] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: just hold on, please.
[10:05] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:06] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: what did you modify?
[10:07] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: my warty gdm session has no "standard"
[10:07] <Cygnusx|Weg> its a right out the box installation
[10:07] <Cygnusx|Weg> (im dutch, so maybe the translation isn't thesame)
[10:07] <duckwaltz> when attempting to start gdm, I get an error stating: "X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting" How do I rectify this and get x to work?
[10:07] <Destructo> crap. it cant find gcc
[10:08] <Cygnusx|Weg> i copyed the xpde folder to a folder.. nothing more :)
[10:08] <crimsun> duckwaltz: did you upgrade from warty to hoary or something?
[10:08] <duckwaltz> crimsun: No I just installed
[10:08] <Cygnusx|Weg> i can choose: (translated from dutch to english) Last , 1. Standard systemsession
[10:08] <Cygnusx|Weg> 2. GNOME
[10:09] <Cygnusx|Weg> GNOME safe mode
[10:09] <crimsun> Destructo: did you install gcc-3.3-base? gcc-3.3? gcc?
[10:09] <Cygnusx|Weg> Xterm safe mode
[10:09] <Cygnusx|Weg> so that's 5 options
[10:09] <duckwaltz> crimsun: I did however allow the installer to download files during the first boot
[10:09] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: what did you copy and to where?
[10:09] <Cygnusx|Weg> erm , xpde to .... i think a folder in /etc/
[10:10] <crimsun> duckwaltz: ls -l /etc/X11/X
[10:10] <duckwaltz> crimsun: No such file or directory
[10:10] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: what xpde? source code? binaries?
[10:10] <Cygnusx|Weg> let me check it..
[10:10] <Cygnusx|Weg> erm a tgz file
[10:10] <jaco> my hoary desktop: http://www.jaco.it/screenshot.png
[10:10] <jaco> ghghghhghghghgh
[10:10] <jaco> i love it
[10:10] <Cygnusx|Weg> i think its the binary?
[10:10] <Destructo> crimsun gcc 3.4 base
[10:11] <crimsun> duckwaltz: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[10:11] <duckwaltz> crimsun: thank you
[10:11] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: tell me precisely what you did.
[10:11] <scotth> jaco, what themes and such are you using?
[10:11] <duckwaltz> crimsun: I shall let you know what happens
[10:12] <Cygnusx|Weg> im checking it out right now crimsun
[10:12] <spdf> jaco, Are those gdesklets or Karamba?
[10:13] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, i copyed the folder XPDE from the tgz package to /usr/share
[10:13] <scotth> spdf, I'm guessing they are gdesklets from the gdesklet applet running in the notification area
[10:13] <Cygnusx|Weg> as the install manual file INSTALL said...
[10:13] <m0l0z> I've booted the Ubuntu 4.10 live CD and my mouse dose not work! I booted in expert mode and put it PS2 and PS2 Wheel mouse and it didn't work in either one! I have a Compaq M-S69, made by Logitech
[10:14] <spdf> scotth, missed that :p
[10:15] <scotth> spdf, its all good, I'm trying to find out what theme he is using and how I can get ahold of it for a friend who wants an OSX like desktop
[10:15] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: what file did you download?
[10:16] <jaco> spdf: marcintesh + desklets
[10:16] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun: http://www.xpde.com/releases/xpde-0.5.1.tar.gz
[10:16] <Cygnusx|Weg> that one
[10:16] <jaco> scotth: i've sayd
[10:17] <jaco> spdf: marcintesh + desklets
[10:17] <scotth> jaco, thanks
[10:17] <Cygnusx|Weg> and xpde works, only it doesnt like that gnome is also on, so instead of gnome as desktop env. i want XPDE
[10:17] <spdf> scotth, http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=210
[10:18] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: um...you installed it into /usr/share, correct?
[10:18] <spdf> scotth, Pretty sure that has the same osx effect...
[10:18] <benkong2> jaco; kool pic
[10:19] <spiral> hmmmm... Please... can anyone here tell me how long it should take to have the "smart batteries manager" on hoary ?
[10:19] <jaco> benkong2: :)
[10:19] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes crimsun
[10:20] <benkong2> jaco; what is macinerish?
[10:20] <usrdel> Anyone know how I can set the default size of the window when launching the terminal application? Thanks.
[10:21] <m0l0z> I've booted the Ubuntu 4.10 live CD and my mouse dose not work! I booted in expert mode and put it PS2 and PS2 Wheel mouse and it didn't work in either one! I have a Compaq M-S69, made by Logitech
[10:21] <jaco> a theme, i've found it on gnome-look
[10:21] <jaco> benkong2:  a theme, i've found it on gnome-look
[10:21] <larsrohdin> i, know i downloaded open box themes to... how can i change theme?
[10:21] <benkong2> jaco; k thanks
[10:22] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: list the contents of ~/.xsession
[10:22] <jaco> larsrohdin: tar -zxvf
[10:22] <jaco> cp nametheme /home/yournick/.themes
[10:22] <larsrohdin> that didnt work
[10:22] <jaco> preferences/theme
[10:22] <Cygnusx|Weg> how should i do that crimsun
[10:23] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: cat ~/.xsession
[10:23] <larsrohdin> needs an argument it says
[10:23] <crimsun> larsrohdin: tar xfz nameof.tar.gz
[10:23] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, contents are: /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde
[10:24] <Cygnusx|Weg> you told me to insert that in that file half an hour ago :)
[10:24] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: echo "exec /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde" > ~/.xsession
[10:24] <larsrohdin> how should i write?
[10:25] <jaco> larsrohdin: an argument? but exactly what r u doing?
[10:25] <jaco> who says to need an argument?
[10:25] <crimsun> jaco: tell him explicitly the syntax. tar takes an argument.
[10:25] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:25] <Cygnusx|Weg> done
[10:25] <larsrohdin> if i run  tar -zxvf its says "needs an argument"
[10:26] <Cygnusx|Weg> but now, i think when x starts, it starts gnome as well , right?
[10:26] <larsrohdin> crimsun, thanx=)
[10:26] <jaco> larsrohdin: tar zxvf name.theme.tgz
[10:26] <tolle> Are there any guide anywhere on how to get postfix to accept incomming mails from all hosts?
[10:26] <jaco> larsrohdin: miss the name.theme.tgz
[10:27] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: you have to choose default system session
[10:27] <jaco> larsrohdin: the sintax is tar zxvf name.theme.tgz
[10:27] <Destructo> hey anyone use ndiswrapper
[10:27] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:27] <Cygnusx|Weg> i will try
[10:28] <larsrohdin> ok, but where did those themes go?
[10:28] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun: and yet again, no XPDE and yes gnome
[10:29] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: something on your system is broken.
[10:29] <Cygnusx|Weg> i don't think so ;), its a brand new installation
[10:29] <MyKq3> hello ppl its a lovely night here in Israel !!! how r ya ?
[10:30] <jaco> larsrohdin: now u have a directory with the theme
[10:30] <benkong2> MyKq3; super
[10:30] <jaco> larsrohdin: now cp name.directory /home/yourhome/.themes
[10:30] <MyKq3> ^^
[10:31] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: I think so, because it works just fine for larsrohdin.
[10:32] <Cygnusx|Weg> does larsrohdin use XPDE ??
[10:33] <larsrohdin> whats that?
[10:33] <Cygnusx|Weg> i think that is a no ;)
[10:33] <larsrohdin> jaco, i still dont get it... =)
[10:34] <jaco> larsrohdin: now from your desktop from menu/desktop/preferences/themes
[10:34] <jaco> select the new theme
[10:34] <larsrohdin> hey, slowly=) lets start over...
[10:34] <larsrohdin> what menu?
[10:35] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: larsrohdin uses openbox from the default system session menu
[10:35] <Cygnusx|Weg> openbox?
[10:35] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: therefore the problem lies in how your xpde script is being called
[10:35] <mojo_> Hi!  Can anyone help me figure out which config files to edit so I can re-order my sound cards in Ubuntu/Hoary???  The /etc/modules.conf file warns not to do edits there (and I am not sure if that's the place anyway)
[10:36] <Cygnusx|Weg> well, i can start it up by hand by typing /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde in a console
[10:36] <larsrohdin> jaco, im sorry dude, can you take it from the beginning... what does tar zxvf name.theme.tgz do? should i write it in a certain folder?
[10:37] <Cygnusx|Weg> so that answers your question crimsun
[10:37] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: then you need to cp /usr/share/xpde/startxpde ~/.xsession
[10:37] <jaco> larsrohdin: in the path where u have tne name.theme.gz file
[10:37] <Destructo> hey can i paste my ndiswrapper error
[10:38] <larsrohdin> and where is that?
[10:38] <Destructo>  i have an error .. running modprobe ndiswrapper i get FATAL error inserting ndiswrapper ../lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>.-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko: invalid module
[10:38] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: rather, cp /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde ~/.xsession
[10:38] <larsrohdin> =)
[10:38] <Destructo> where can i get the kjernel headers for ubuntu
[10:38] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay
[10:38] <Cygnusx|Weg> that's all?
[10:38] <crimsun> Destructo: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:38] <jaco> larsrohdin: where u have saved the file when u have downoaded it
[10:39] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: ideally.
[10:39] <tolle> How to get a working mta that accepts incomming mails from outside hosts?
[10:39] <carthik> How would I un-gzip a file larger than 2 GB?
[10:39] <carthik> It's a huge backup from a DB
[10:39] <crimsun> carthik: just gunzip it.
[10:39] <Cygnusx|Weg> okay, i re-login (i suppose i don't need to reboot? ) and i log in, and gnome starts, and no XPDE
[10:39] <larsrohdin> ok, but i downloaded it with the synaptic or whats it called? i don't know where the themes are...
[10:40] <carthik> crimsun, since it is larger than 2 Gigs, gunzip says it's not a gzip file. It seems as though gzip can only deal with files < 2 GB... not sure. Tried with ark too.
[10:41] <crimsun> carthik: gzip/gunzip are compiled with large file support.
[10:41] <cavediver> How can I install revelation in Ubuntu ?
[10:41] <carthik> crimsun, how do I check that, or is it always as you describe in Ubuntu? If it is, then why can't I seem to gunzip it??
[10:41] <cavediver> I'm running AMD64 Build.
[10:42] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: are you selecting Default System Session, then OK?
[10:42] <Cygnusx|Weg> yes, the second option
[10:42] <Cygnusx|Weg> right? (dutch installation, remember ;) )
[10:43] <carthik> crimsun, thanks for you help, in any case :)
[10:43] <yaaar> anybody know what i have to have installed for the 'vnc' option to not be ghosted out in tsclient? the 'remote desktop' app in kde can use vnc just fine...
[10:43] <yaaar> woops sorry wrong room
[10:44] <crimsun> carthik: apt-get source gzip; more gzip-1.3.5/debian/rules
[10:44] <larsrohdin> if i download themes with synaptic where do they go?
[10:44] <crimsun> carthik: note how there's no reference to "--disable-largefile"
[10:44] <Destructo> crimsun i get linux-headers command not found
[10:44] <Cygnusx|Weg> in ./xsession is now standing: if test -n $HOME/.xpde; then cp -r /usr/share/xpde/bin/defaultdesktop $HOME/.xpde  fi
[10:45] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimsun
[10:45] <crimsun> Destructo: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:46] <ssam> have people spotted this http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/17/2341219
[10:46] <randabis> hmm
[10:46] <randabis> thought someone said something to me...must have been a while back
[10:46] <ssam> Mark Shuttleworth On Ubuntu's Lack Of Marketing
[10:47] <larsrohdin> jaco, where did you go?
[10:47] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: in /usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/default.desktop, change "Exec=default" to "Exec=custom"
[10:47] <lamont-away> tolle: /etc/postfix/master.cf
[10:47] <Skwid_> is there an xorg devel package plzzzzzzzzzzzz ???
[10:47] <Bader> does anybody know how-to enable the synaptics driver in warty to make it shown in /proc/bus/input/devices ?
[10:47] <crimsun> Skwid_: install the individual -dev components that you need.
[10:47] <crimsun> Bader: did you check the bios setting?
[10:48] <Bader> at the moment it only show a PS/2Mouse
[10:48] <Destructo> crimsun crap nothing
[10:48] <Bader> crimsun: they're no such settings in my BIOS
[10:48] <crimsun> Bader: no legacy mouse setting?
[10:48] <Bader> no
[10:48] <Skwid_> crimsun: how ??
[10:48] <Spiniker> Anyone able to advise on a fresh install error for Ubuntu ? ?
[10:48] <Bader> Spiniker: what's your error?
[10:48] <Cygnusx|Weg> crimson: its read onle :{
[10:48] <Cygnusx|Weg> only
[10:48] <crimsun> Bader: paste your lspci -v output onto pastebin.com
[10:49] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: so edit it using sudo
[10:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> i use gedit
[10:49] <Bader> crimsun: I can't actually, I write this from my desktop, not my laptop :(
[10:49] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: sudo gedit /usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/default.desktop
[10:49] <crimsun> Bader: then start typing.
[10:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> ok
[10:49] <Cygnusx|Weg> i have it
[10:49] <tolle> lamont: yeah, remove the ip before smtp in it...
[10:50] <tolle> lamont: Still doesnt do it for me.
[10:50] <malegria> hello folks.
[10:50] <Bader> crimsun: what I'm supposed to see ?
[10:50] <Destructo> ok im gettng gcc command nor found
[10:50] <Spiniker> I've just burnt the ISO & verified it - was ok ... tried to install (formatted existing 8GB etx3 partition) - but it halts on installing main with debootstrap error - and cant contnue
[10:50] <cthulfuego> Destructo: Install gcc.
[10:50] <Bader> crimsun: in addition, I got "PCI: cannot allocate resource" at boot time...
[10:50] <lamont> tolle: there are 2 lines, you need to remove it from one, comment the other out, and then postfix restart
[10:51] <tolle> lamont: ah, i had just forgotten to specify what hosts to accept it as.
[10:51] <larsrohdin> ok, i've found my themes now=)
[10:51] <Destructo> cthulfuego i installed gcc.3.4base .......deb
[10:51] <randabis> Spinkiker probably a bad burn
[10:51] <Skwid_> crimsun: what do you mean by that ?
[10:52] <crimsun> Skwid_: install the -dev packages that are required by the source you're trying to compile.
[10:52] <Spiniker> ok I did try a second burn but maybe I will try another CD (cdrw) - was confuses me is I made an ISO from the CD and the md5 is the same ??
[10:52] <Skwid_> ok
[10:52] <crimsun> Skwid_: it would help immensely if you said which source you're trying to compile.
[10:52] <Spiniker> will try another cd
[10:52] <Destructo> which gcc should i install .. ?
[10:53] <magpie> anyone home?
[10:53] <crimsun> Bader: did you follow the troubleshooting guide at the url I pasted several hours ago?
[10:53] <MyKq3> have u seen what GnomeTeme is going to do about Gnome2.10 !!!
[10:53] <crimsun> Bader: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/trouble-shooting.txt , that is.
[10:53] <MyKq3> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/ check this out
[10:54] <crimsun> Destructo: the default gcc will suffice.
[10:54] <Destructo> crimsun k how do i set the environment variable CC to a working compiler
[10:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> hmm
[10:54] <magpie> can anyone tell me what they're menu.lst says?
[10:54] <crimsun> Destructo: no need to do that.
[10:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> still no work
[10:54] <Cygnusx|Weg> im gonna sleep
[10:55] <Cygnusx|Weg> i'll try on
[10:55] <Cygnusx|Weg> tomorrow
[10:55] <Cygnusx|Weg> byw
[10:55] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: make sure you copied bin/
[10:55] <crimsun> Cygnusx|Weg: and not src/
[10:55] <kent> about that Davyd wrote of gnome 2.10, will that menu-design be default in Gnome2.10? Have Ubuntu made them to copy the Ubuntu Hoary style?
[10:55] <Destructo> crimsun k that ubuntu has no internet , can you point me to a url so ill dload and burn
[10:55] <Bader> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/230540 for my lspci
[10:56] <crimsun> Destructo: you need libc6-dev, gcc-3.3, g++-3.3, make, and dpkg-dev
[10:56] <eruin> anyone here know what's the latest point2play version?
[10:56] <larsrohdin> crimsun, you there?
[10:56] <crimsun> eruin: www.transgaming.com
[10:56] <crimsun> larsrohdin: ?
[10:56] <benkong2> jaco; If I could just figure out that curved display in the lower left  corner I would be close
[10:56] <crimsun> Bader: sec.
[10:56] <eruin> I think I might as well start another subscription
[10:56] <larsrohdin> i've found the themes now... nut they're not in tar.gz format...
[10:57] <crimsun> Bader: and the contents of /proc/bus/input/devices to pastebin.com
[10:57] <Bader> crimsun: thanks, I already read it, but I don't have switching PS2/USB in my BIOS, synaptic driver for X is loaded fine, I don't have any USB mouse either
[10:58] <crimsun> Bader: so /var/log/XFree86.0.log confirms that the driver detects a touchpad?
[10:58] <Bader> crimsun: no sorry, synaptic is not loaded at all.
[10:59] <eruin> ack! bloody 2.6.9+ ptrace bug
[10:59] <Bader> crimsun: it didn't load it, it fails.
[10:59] <Bader> crimsun: I'll paste my Xfree86 log to
[10:59] <Bader> too
[11:00] <jdub> kent: we haven't "made them" do anything
[11:00] <cwa2> it all started with trying to install gdesklets...
[11:01] <cwa2> now I can't login to X
[11:01] <jdub> kent: one of the panel maintainers pushed it upstream
[11:01] <cwa2> my gdm login background is gone
[11:01] <cwa2> and when I login, the screen hangs
[11:01] <cwa2> can anyone help?
[11:01] <kent> jdub, spelling-misstake of mine. But its cool that it was accepted upstream. Its a good design!
[11:02] <mbp_> hi jdub
[11:03] <jdub> yo mbp_
[11:03] <jdub> mbp_: not coming up for wednesday hackfest? :)
[11:03] <mbp_> oh, today
[11:03] <mbp_> maybe next time
[11:03] <jdub> cool
[11:04] <cthulfuego> Hackfests in straya? Am I missing out?
[11:04] <mbp_> every wednesday?
[11:04] <mojo_> Can anyone help me figure out how to re-order my sound cards in Ubuntu/Hoary?
[11:04] <cthulfuego> mojo_: Just swap the driver lines in /etc/modules (or put them in, in preferred load order)
[11:04] <Bader> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/230544
[11:05] <thenuke> is it easy to setup somekind of software RAID to ease up utilisation of many harddisks with many partitions.. so that those many partitions would show up as a one big partition
[11:05] <mojo_> thulufuego:  they are not loaded in /ect/modules
[11:05] <wasabi> That's what LVM is
[11:06] <cwa2> I get a localhost gconfd:Resolved address "XML:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration at source position 0
[11:06] <Bader> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/230546 for xfree86 log
[11:06] <topyli> so who has a working serial irda dongle?
[11:06] <melazyboy> thenuke: i don't believe software raid works like that
[11:06] <cthulfuego> mojo_: Simply add 'em in then.
[11:07] <cthulfuego> mojo_: either with an editor or with modconf.
[11:07] <melazyboy> thenuke: it will just add the constrant of having to utilize the drives wheither you use them or not
[11:07] <mojo_> cthulufuego:  I thought I should edit etc/modules.conf, but that file says not to edit it... It is apparently generated by update-modules.  So where do I do my config?
[11:07] <cthulfuego> mojo_: /etc/modules  (not /etc/modules.conf)
[11:07] <melazyboy> thenuke: but setting it up is easy you will have loose everything when you create the array just apt-get raid-tools, and man mkraid, and raidtab
[11:08] <topyli> mojo_: edit something in /etc/modutils, that's what update-modules reads
[11:08] <mojo_> cthulu..: My sould is loading _somewhere_ already... I just need to re-order the motherboard and audigy2 drivers so audigy2 is primary
[11:08] <cthulfuego> mojo_: Any parameters you can add via files in /etc/modutils/* (2.4 kernels) or /etc/modprobe.d/* (2.6 kernels)
[11:08] <crimsun> mojo_: there's a short way and a long way, but I'll need a couple minutes to describe it.
[11:08] <cthulfuego> mojo_: yes, it's loaded via 'hotplug' or 'discover'. Just add the drivers manually in the order you want them to load in /etc/modules.
[11:08] <mojo_> I am running hoary with 2.6.10
[11:09] <topyli> cthulfuego: oh yeah, modprobe.d
[11:09] <cthulfuego> mojo_: That will be processed FIRST, so they'll load right (before hotplug or discover can)
[11:09] <Bader> crimsun: any idea? could it be related to "PCI Cannot allocate resource" error?
[11:09] <cwa2> and and gconfd:Resolved addres "xml:readwrite:/home/cwa2/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1
[11:10] <cwa2> is there a txt/console web browser installed in Warty? I want to google the errors
[11:10] <cthulfuego> cwa2: links/lynx
[11:11] <cwa2> I thought so, not installed
[11:11] <crimsun> Bader: it's possible.
[11:11] <cwa2> can I get it from apt?
[11:11] <cthulfuego> apt-get install
[11:11] <mojo_> cthulufuego: okay so /etc/modules will load them at boot, but I am not sure then what to put in there.  I suppose "emu10k1" on a blank line.  Can I do an options statement in there too?
[11:11] <crimsun> Bader: but-- note you have a ps/2 mouse
[11:11] <jaco> uhm... about dns
[11:11] <Bader> crimsun: a touchpad recognized as a ps/2 mouse it's better nan none.
[11:12] <cthulfuego> mojo_: Not to my knowledge. just the module name in there; add the options via /etc/modprobe.d/*
[11:12] <jaco> i can mount windows smb connection
[11:12] <Bader> s/nan/than
[11:12] <borgista> how to start a program at login ?(in gnome) anybody?
[11:12] <jaco> but i can't' view all the host in my intranet
[11:12] <crimsun> Bader: then it's using ps/2 emulation.
[11:12] <jaco> why?
[11:12] <jdub> borgista: desktop preferences > sessions
[11:12] <Bader> borgista: ubuntuguide.org
[11:12] <borgista> thank you.
[11:12] <crimsun> Bader: and that's why your touchpad isn't being recognized
[11:12] <crimsun> I have to cut out for a meeting, bbl.
[11:12] <larsrohdin> crimsun, i downloaded obconf... alot easier=)
[11:12] <Bader> crimsun: rmmod ps2mouse ?
[11:12] <jaco> i've reaed something about dns solver
[11:13] <jaco> but i don't remember
[11:13] <jaco> any idea?
[11:13] <Bader> rmmod psmouse ?
[11:13] <topyli> oh. ubuntuguide.org? let's see. do they say how to enable irda? ;)
[11:13] <Bader> jaco: what's a dns solver?
[11:13] <larsrohdin> one last question... if I minimize a window, where does it go?
[11:13] <Bader> jaco: something like discover or RendezVous ?
[11:14] <jaco> Bader: mmmm something to resolve the smb hostname connection dynamically
[11:14] <jaco> in this case
[11:14] <benkong2> ok i'm dying here how do i get sendmail to work ubuntu 4.10
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: why do you want sendmail
[11:14] <randabis-laptop> <3xfce
[11:14] <Neo_654> jaco, couldn't you just put the smb hostname in a host file?
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: postfix is already installed
[11:15] <jaco> Neo_654: with warthy it has worked without any problem
[11:15] <mojo_> cthulufuego:  so if the options go in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, then should I not be able to do 'option emu10k1 index=0' or some such (not sure of syntax)?  That would be what I was looking for...  But I can try just listing emu10k1 in /etc/modules if that would work.  I just don't want to edit something that will be lost in an upgrade
[11:15] <jaco> with hoary i can't see the list
[11:15] <jaco> i dunno why
[11:15] <topyli> benkong2: why sendmail specifically?
[11:15] <jaco> in my network ther r 170 pc i don't want write their name in an host file
[11:16] <Neo_654> jaco, ok I was getting tired of the slowness when surfing so I had to dig deep to speed up the dns.
[11:16] <cthulfuego> mojo_: No, they will both stay there. Debian based packages NEVER delete customised stuff without explicit consent.
[11:16] <Neo_654> jaco, well that does make since.  With that many don't you have one running dns?
[11:16] <Skwid_> can i change init level in ubuntu ?
[11:17] <jaco> no it's unnecessary with a windows based network
[11:17] <jaco> and also with warty is unnecessary
[11:17] <jaco> it works
[11:17] <jaco> with hoary i can't see the list
[11:17] <cwa2> I don't have X anymore, what's the command to get lynx?
[11:17] <cwa2> apt-get ???
[11:17] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; cause i'm using these docs as a guide http://www.idealog.us/2004/10/so_you_want_to_.html and I thought i needed both
[11:17] <jazzka> hi!
[11:17] <Neo_654> jaco, thats strange.  My 2k3 wasn't being seen so I had to set it.
[11:18] <benkong2> topyli; I just do not know any better
[11:18] <mojo_> cthulufuego: That is good to know.  I will give the suggestions a try... but I still hope to learn how it's "meant" to be done...  edumacation is umpertant two mee
[11:18] <mojo_> thanks for the help
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: you should use postfix instead of sendmail, esp given that it's installed
[11:18] <Lowry> hi all
[11:18] <jaco> Neo_654: mmm i dunno, with my first installation the windows network was discovered without problems
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> there's lots of info on the postfix site
[11:18] <Lowry> any ppc users?
[11:18] <jazzka> I've got an IDE hard drive connected with an external usb box to the computer.  Ubuntu sets the disk as a scsi device, and the speed is very low, why?
[11:19] <jdub> plus, we don't support sendmail :-)
[11:19] <benkong2> topyli; HrdwrBoB ; my goal is to have this one ubuntu box at a static address behind my router that gets email from my isp snf then gives me access to email in imap
[11:19] <jdub> jazzka: usb disks are handled by the scsi emulator, but that's unrelated to the speed
[11:19] <lamont> mojo_: and when you want mail for more than just your box... you'll need to edit /etc/postfix/master.cf
[11:19] <jdub> jazzka: do you have usb 2 or 1.1 on your machine?
[11:19] <Lowry> wondering if ubuntu ppc can support isight?
[11:19] <cwa2> are there any console mail clients installed by def on Warty?
[11:19] <jazzka> jdub, not sure :(
[11:19] <Lowry> just video
[11:19] <jaco> i've found! :)
[11:20] <jazzka> jdub, can I know with a command?
[11:20] <cwa2> I don't have pine
[11:20] <jaco> winbind this is the solution i think
[11:20] <jaco> :)
[11:20] <jdub> Lowry: google for isight linux, it's not a ppc-specific issue
[11:20] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; any good sites or learning spots on how. I go do a man postfix now
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> postfix.org
[11:20] <jdub> jazzka: no, just wondering what hardware you have; can you type lsmod | grep ehci ?
[11:20] <ideafix> is it true that this distro has no firewall ?
[11:20] <jdub> ideafix: yes. it doesn't need one.
[11:20] <lamont> benkong2: www.postfix.org is your friend
[11:21] <ideafix> LOL
[11:21] <benkong2> Whay is google full of sites where people are using courier-imap, postfix, sendmail etc.
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> ideafix: yes, however there are no listening inbound ports
[11:21] <jazzka> lsmod |grep ehci
[11:21] <jazzka> ehci_hcd               27780  0
[11:21] <jazzka> usbcore               104292  6 ehci_hcd,usbhid,usb_storage,ohci_hcd
[11:21] <jdub> ideafix: there are no listening ports by default, so if you add other services, you know what you're doing
[11:21] <jdub> ideafix: there are firewall packages around, however
[11:21] <jdub> jazzka: looks like you have usb2 then
[11:21] <jdub> jazzka: it shouldn't be horribly slow
[11:21] <Cube-ness> hey.. i managed to get hibernate and suspend to work on my laptop.. but when it tries to resume from either of those states, it loks like x hangs.. i see the desktop, but all wacked out.. is there something i can do to resolve this?
[11:21] <benkong2> I tried originally one setup where fetchmail gets the mail from my isp sends it to postfix which sent it to courier-imap-ssl....still don't have that working
[11:22] <ideafix> so this distro is has open as it gets :-)
[11:22] <benkong2> but I am determined to make this work if it's the last thing I do.
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: personally I would use fetchmail et al
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> as on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupEmailHowto
[11:22] <jdub> ideafix: ah, we just said there are no listening ports by default
[11:22] <Scooter> Hello all! :D , I am useing hoary finaly , and I have been scouring the forums for what it means when synaptic says "NOT AUTHENDICATED", does this mean I need to add more apt-repositories? TIA :)
[11:22] <jdub> ideafix: that's an explicit policy goal
[11:22] <Scooter> I am trying to install Xorg
[11:22] <cwa2> could someone PLEASE tell me how to install the lynx package w/ apt?
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> cwa2: sudo apt-get install lynx
[11:23] <borgista> sudo apt-get install lynx
[11:23] <benkong2> HrdwrBoB; thanks are u saying one of these progs would give me a working mail server?
[11:23] <Bader> cwa2: apt-cache search yourpackage to find some package, apt-get install somepackage to install it, you could also use synaptic
[11:23] <ideafix> i tryed gnome and it sucked
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> benkong2: it depends what you mean, I suggest you read up on the basic docs of how mail works
[11:24] <lamont> cwa2: apt-get install lynx
[11:24] <Bader> ideafix: s/GNOME/KDE/ :)
[11:24] <benkong2> I have a dyndns address and I have apache working so I also plan on adding squirremail later. Thanks
[11:24] <ideafix> i like /KDE/GNOME/
[11:24] <cwa2> I don't have X anyone!
[11:24] <cwa2> so no synaptic!
[11:25] <cwa2> thx for the apt commands though
[11:25] <ideafix> so this is a hacked debian distro ?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> ideafix: it's not exactly 'hacked'
[11:26] <Cube-ness> oh wait.. i know...
[11:26] <ideafix> because i HATE HAXORS
[11:26] <Bader> ideafix: no in fact it's a Solaris9 one.
[11:26] <bluefoxicy> uh
[11:26] <bluefoxicy> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-January/000008.html
[11:26] <Cube-ness> its not beos.. so it cant possibly be any good
[11:26] <bluefoxicy> the site is already one of the most usable I've ever seen
[11:26] <borgista> hacking doesn't have to be negative.
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> granted i hate the colorscheme
[11:27] <jono> hi all
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> (blues and silver-blues would be much nicer)
[11:27] <cwa2> I can't install lynx due to some dependcy issues, complains about gnome-panel
[11:27] <jono> anyone facing apache problems in hoary at the moment?
[11:27] <ideafix> hacking is only good to get warez goiong
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> but the feel is friggin' awesome
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> cwa2: apt-get -f install may fix that
[11:27] <cwa2> libecal & libdataserver
[11:27] <sri|work> anybody having trouble with installing monodevelop?
[11:27] <Bader> bluefoxicy: I rather prefer the actual theme, it's much more in the Ubuntu scheme color.
[11:27] <sri|work> mine seems to have a problem with libgtksourceview-cil
[11:27] <sri|work> it gives me
[11:27] <cwa2> HrdwrBob: it didn't work, tried that
[11:28] <sri|work> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[11:28] <sri|work>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-common
[11:28] <ideafix> how good is this distro at running bitorrent ?
[11:28] <mojo_> hacking is how we got stuff like gnu, linux, and all... lol!  Just 'cuz the nightly news started billing 'hacker' as a negative word does not mean that is what the word means.  TV culture... Sheesh...
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> ideafix: as good as any other
[11:29] <ideafix> hackers worms virus and other microscopic things make me paranoid !
[11:29] <jdub> ideafix: "hacker" means a different thing in the open source world
[11:30] <borgista> any distro runs bittorrent
[11:30] <borgista> they run it the same.
[11:30] <borgista> none is any better than the other.
[11:30] <borgista> what matters is the client.
[11:31] <ideafix> i recon its a good idiea to have a firewalless distro that way users dont need to fill in bug reports
[11:31] <larsrohdin> do i have to use nautilus to show icons on the desktop in open box?
[11:31] <mojo_> ideafix: there may be "lore" arguments, but I think the word hacker came from maybe as far back as the 50's when the Tech Model Railroad Club at MIT would 'hack' together changes for their railroad.  The signaling and wiring people were the same sorts who started 'hacking' early computer electronics hardware
[11:32] <jdub> larsrohdin: that'd be one (good) way of doing it
[11:32] <larsrohdin> jdub, what other ways are there?
[11:32] <jdub> larsrohdin: there are other file managers
[11:33] <mojo_> Some folks from the TMRC morphed into the Artificial Intelligence lab at MIT, as I understand it.  Hacking just means working on hardware, or more commonly now, programming code.. for the purpose of improving or customizing it.  Hobbyist/Enthusiast coding.
[11:33] <larsrohdin> jdub, ok, but nautilus is ok with me... how can i make nautilus start on boot?
[11:34] <jdub> larsrohdin: you'd have to add it to the openbox startup file, or if you start openbox in .xsession, add it there
[11:34] <borgista> Computer -----> System Configuration ----->Sessions
[11:34] <jdub> for instance:
[11:34] <mojo_> ideafix: but hey, it's all just lore.  Worms and Viruses are not nice, but you can protect yourself.  Using Open Source is a good step.
[11:34] <jdub> nautilus &
[11:34] <jdub> exec openbox
[11:34] <ideafix> so what do you call a person that getis inside some other person computer with out they knowning it ?
[11:34] <borgista> sorry, Desktop preferences not System....
[11:34] <borgista> ideafix......HACKING IS NOT JUST THAT!
[11:35] <r3v3rb> hi guys.
[11:35] <borgista> Good lord.
[11:35] <larsrohdin> ok wheres the .xsession file again?
[11:35] <jdub> ideafix: cracking
[11:35] <jdub> larsrohdin: ~/.xsession
[11:35] <jdub> larsrohdin: depends how you start openbox though
[11:35] <r3v3rb> i need help
[11:35] <jdub> larsrohdin: how did you configure it as your default?
[11:35] <topyli> hey this ubuntu starter guide is pretty cool. won't teach you much though :)
[11:35] <r3v3rb> whats the best way to warty->hoary upgrade ?
[11:35] <mojo_> ideafix:  Check out this link for an article about a firewall program called Firestarter: http://security.linux.com/security/05/01/03/2250258.shtml?tid=49&tid=47&tid=35
[11:35] <ideafix> cracking is another thing
[11:35] <larsrohdin> it was something with that file... crimsun helped me.
[11:35] <jdub> r3v3rb: switch warty to hoary in your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-uprade
[11:36] <Destructo> ok issues. so im trying to install g++-3.3_3.3.4 then i get error to install libstdcc++5.3.3-dev   but i get an error telling me to install g++....
[11:36] <jdub> larsrohdin: ok, paste the contents here
[11:36] <ideafix> running a firewall as root dont seem too much of a good idea IMHO
[11:36] <r3v3rb> cheers jdub. synaptic balls up my install yesterday doing it
[11:36] <sobralense> r3v3rb, I think , its better before all this, you make some backups if really important things
[11:36] <borgista> last time I upgraded from warty to hoary it broke my installation. Does it work better now?
[11:36] <larsrohdin> jdub, well ill have to find it first right?
[11:36] <sobralense> r3v3rb, if dont have a backup partition is a good day to start have it
[11:36] <jdub> ideafix: the packet filtering code is in the kernel
[11:36] <jdub> ideafix: you don't run a firewall 'as root'
[11:36] <jdub> larsrohdin: ~/.xsession
[11:36] <sobralense> borgista, I'm using hoary =P
[11:36] <r3v3rb> is it that unstable ?
[11:37] <sobralense> r3v3rb, not so
[11:37] <borgista> I'm just asking.
[11:37] <borgista> Last time it broke Nautilus.
[11:37] <ideafix> firestarter runs as root
[11:37] <mojo_> ideafix:  err... what jdub said.  Firestarter is a nice GUI-way of managing the built-in firewall features in Linux
[11:37] <jdub> ideafix: that's the gui
[11:37] <r3v3rb> i had trouble, in that synaptic package manager disappeared from menus and apt wasn't even installed after update
[11:37] <sobralense> borgista, really, the gnome from hoary (and for me , warty too) is borken
[11:37] <larsrohdin> jdub, whats ~/ ?
[11:37] <borgista> como?
[11:38] <sobralense> borgista, when you change the gnome-panel or something
[11:38] <jdub> larsrohdin: your home directory, it means the same thing as /home/larsrohdin/
[11:38] <larsrohdin> ok
[11:38] <jaco> for neo and the other, the problem with hoary and windows network was that winbind was'nt installed
[11:38] <borgista> ~/ points to /home/USERNAME
[11:38] <jdub> larsrohdin: so, /home/larsrohdin/.xsession
[11:38] <r3v3rb> borgista, no spanish por favor
[11:38] <borgista> alright.
[11:38] <borgista> sorry.
[11:38] <r3v3rb> ;)
[11:38] <cwa2> ^gnome
[11:38] <borgista> what's the spanish ubuntu channel? anyone know?
[11:38] <cwa2> ^C
[11:38] <jdub> #ubuntu-es
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> #ubuntu-es
[11:38] <sobralense> borgista, i know the #ubuntu-pt
[11:38] <r3v3rb> no es un problema para me pero...
[11:38] <borgista> thank you.
[11:38] <larsrohdin> jdub, nope, not there
[11:38] <borgista> lo entiendo.
[11:39] <jdub> larsrohdin: then you're not starting openbox that way :)
[11:39] <mojo_> Ideafix:  I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I don't think you understand firewalls and packet-filtering very well.  If you are parnoid about such things, you would do well to read some technical articles on the subjects.  Knowledge is power, friend!
[11:39] <larsrohdin> jdub, ok... i thought i was... but maybe i was wrong... then what?
[11:39] <ideafix> Knowledge is power hide it well ...
[11:39] <sobralense> oh, I broke my scroll button from mouse... =/
[11:39] <r3v3rb> jdub, is it best to do update/upgrade without starting x ?
[11:39] <jdub> larsrohdin: you'll have to find out how you're starting openbox
[11:40] <bassinboy> how do i go back to using gdm?
[11:40] <jdub> r3v3rb: doesn't matter
[11:40] <mojo_> Ideafix: power to the people... it's the open-source revolution
[11:40] <ideafix> power to the HAXORS
[11:40] <sobralense> r3v3rb, all changes will take effects on reboot
[11:40] <r3v3rb> and xorg is working as well as in mdk10.1 or fc3 ?
[11:40] <r3v3rb> sobralense, fantastic !
[11:40] <sobralense> r3v3rb, xorg is perfect for me.. hehehe
[11:40] <mojo_> ideafix: lol
[11:40] <sobralense> r3v3rb, and old video-board here..
[11:40] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ?
[11:41] <ideafix> sobralense you can suck my arse
[11:41] <borgista> i'm tempted to move to hoary, but i don't want ubuntu to break again
[11:41] <r3v3rb> not for my crappy old s3 prosavage though !
[11:41] <sobralense> ideafix, ...
[11:41] <ideafix> HAXOR
[11:41] <topyli> r3v3rb: i would reboot pretty soon after tha upgrade though :)
[11:41] <larsrohdin> jdub, ok ill be back=)
[11:41] <will> NO SWEARING / OBSENITIES!!!
[11:41] <r3v3rb> who wants to start work on getting those newish accelerated drivers into hoary !
[11:41] <ideafix> absurdeits
[11:41] <sobralense> r3v3rb, I have a "Stealth 3D 3000" from Diamond, with 4mb and using "s3virge"  driver for X ... wanna MORE?!
[11:41] <sobralense> ahsudhasd
[11:41] <ideafix> absurdeitys
[11:42] <borgista> absurdities?
[11:42] <larsrohdin> jdub, i choose default session to use open box... if that helps...
[11:42] <mojo_> methingks ideafix is stuck in a loop... 10 ECHO 'HAXOR!' : 20 GOTO 10
[11:42] <jdub> r3v3rb: the ati drivers? they've already been uploaded.
[11:42] <jdub> larsrohdin: in gdm?
[11:42] <larsrohdin> yes
[11:42] <r3v3rb> ati ? no via s3
[11:42] <jdub> ah, it must install a session file
[11:42] <jdub> larsrohdin: so, now you should find out if openbox has a startup script
[11:42] <larsrohdin> ok... how?
[11:42] <yaaar> so, i'm trying to build my own package for sun-j2sdk1.5, as instructed by http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java ....but I can't get the 'dpkg -i' and 'apt-get install' steps to complete. Both steps error out saying "file not found" basically. The wiki says the first step will error, but that the second one will work properly...
[11:42] <jdub> read the docs :)
[11:43] <Bader> back
[11:43] <jdub> yaaar: are you pointing to the actual file?
[11:43] <r3v3rb> according to the probo site, via/s3 have some experimental Prosavage DDR drivers for linux that have some opengl and mpeg2 hardware accel built in
[11:43] <larsrohdin> openbox docs?
[11:43] <jdub> larsrohdin: yeah
[11:43] <topyli> r3v3rb: i used to have a sis 6326 or what's the model. ooh. it was interesting :)
[11:43] <yaaar> jdub: well, i would if I knew what it was. The steps are just listed complete, so i'm doing it verbatim
[11:43] <ideafix> is this distro based on SID ?
[11:44] <jdub> yaaar: part of the process is creating a file
[11:44] <jdub> ideafix: yes, it's a branch of sid
[11:44] <yaaar> jdub: no kidding...
[11:44] <jdub> yaaar: that's the file you want to install
[11:44] <sobralense> yaaar, try downloading from sun 's site
[11:44] <yaaar> sobralense: i'm way past that, thanks
[11:44] <ideafix> must be full of exploitable bugs
[11:44] <yaaar> jdub: how do i know what file it created?
[11:44] <jdub> sobralense: sun don't create ubuntu packages, the above is a guide for making the sun package into an ubuntu package
[11:45] <jdub> yaaar: that's the file you're trying to install
[11:45] <borgista> so, where do i change the synaptic settings to upgrade to hoary?
[11:45] <topyli> ideafix: unstable is not full of bugs
[11:45] <jdub> ideafix: no, we have freezes and bugfixing periods before our six monthly stable releases
[11:45] <sobralense> jdub, sure, I tried using the apt-get for it and wont work.. so I downloaded from sun, unpacked like described on tutorial and used.. =P
[11:45] <mojo_> ideafix: the code that 'touches' packets at the low levels of the network drivers is in the kernel.  So, too, the code that can scan and filter them.  Firestarter is a program that has 'permission' to change those settings.  So you want to make sure a trusted (root) user is the one mucking with those settings... thus you run Firestarter as root.  you don't want anyone else being able to do that.  Does that help?  It is not a security 'problem', it is an importa
[11:45] <mojo_> nt security feature.
[11:46] <crypticreign> strange, rhythmbox uses 100% cpu when its "buffering"
[11:46] <borgista> anyone? anyone? how to upgarde to hoary? anyone? anyone?
[11:47] <jdub> borgista: replace warty with hoary in sources.list and update/upgrade
[11:47] <larsrohdin> jdub, and how do i know if open box have or doesn't have a startup script?
[11:47] <crypticreign> borgista: change your sources.list
[11:47] <borgista> thank you. :-D
[11:47] <topyli> mojo_: you said "nt security" :)
[11:47] <jdub> larsrohdin: i'm sure the docs wil say
[11:47] <sobralense> borgista, www.ubuntuforums.org try this
[11:47] <r3v3rb> okay bbl. time to hoary
[11:47] <r3v3rb> :)
[11:47] <borgista> ok, ok.
[11:47] <larsrohdin> do you mean man?
[11:47] <jdub> borgista: if you don't know how to upgrade, i don't recommend doing it
[11:47] <sobralense> borgista, but go to "search" section! please! =P
[11:47] <ideafix> can this distro be upgraded with out having to reinstall once a new release comes out ?
[11:47] <jdub> ideafix: yes, of course
[11:47] <larsrohdin> yes
[11:47] <sobralense> jdub, so he will never learn?
[11:48] <borgista> i've done it before.
[11:48] <jdub> borgista: you should only upgrade to hoary if you're comfortable testing and reporting bugs on a development distro
[11:48] <borgista> i've just forgotten how to since then.
[11:48] <sobralense> =]
[11:48] <jdub> sobralense: that's not the opint
[11:48] <borgista> well then.
[11:48] <cwa2> is there a way to google from console?
[11:48] <Cube-ness> is there a gui tool for mounting hds/partitions?
[11:48] <mojo_> ideafix:  Yes, I am already running on Hoary pre-release.  You just change the sources in the package manager and upgrade your packages
[11:48] <borgista> How far away is OFFICIAL hoary?
[11:48] <jdub> borgista: preview in march, final in april
[11:48] <ideafix> if this distro is so damn good why are people running red hat  suse and mandrake ?
[11:49] <topyli> cwa2: use links or another browser
[11:49] <hikaru79> ideafix, they haven't tried Ubuntu yet, most likely =P
[11:49] <borgista> ideafix is offcially a TROLL
[11:49] <jdub> ideafix: that's a pretty ridiculous question, dude.
[11:49] <sobralense> borgista, hoary is stable enough to some people ... but very unstable for others that preffer using warty backports..
[11:49] <ideafix> borgista you are unoficial nutard
[11:49] <mojo_> ideafix: different strokes for different folks... it's all democratic dude.  PS - why are you so agro?  You try to provoke and seem hostile.
[11:49] <ideafix> im agnostic
[11:49] <sobralense> borgista, just try hoary and take care about backups .. may help too much
[11:50] <borgista> i USED to run mandrake. just wasn't stable enough for me.
[11:50] <Cube-ness> its typical of beos users.. that got bitchy when be inc died.. think amiga users
[11:50] <cwa2> I can't install links
[11:50] <ideafix> because i dont trust any one geving free stuff
[11:50] <ideafix> givin
[11:50] <sobralense> I dont know.. I think ideafix is a good troll...
[11:50] <sobralense> dont feed it.
[11:50] <crypticreign> can anyone get a station they added to rhythmbox to play?
[11:51] <borgista> ideafix is a capitalist, it seems. "if it doesn't costs anything, it's worth nothing."
[11:51] <eruin> sobralense: agreed
 apt-get install xmms
[11:51] <borgista> or a PURE capitalist.
[11:51] <jdub> guys, don't get encourage the off-topic discussion please
[11:51] <topyli> cwa2: why not? do you have lynx?
[11:51] <eruin> we're all communists anyway
[11:51] <crypticreign> Scooter: i already have that, but thanks :)
[11:51] <crypticreign> Scooter: p.s. im a linux user of 7 years.. not a n00b :)
[11:51] <mojo_> Ideafix: good luck with your firewall.. and have fun on my ignore list... bye!
[11:51] <Scooter> I cant get rythem box to work either :) xmms is my workaround
[11:51] <eruin> I just made stfu a verb!
[11:51] <sobralense> everytime you give what to talk for a troll, God kills a penguim
[11:51] <sobralense> =P
[11:51] <ideafix> im a socialist thats why i dont trust capitalist givin out stuff
[11:52] <borgista> and we're capitalists?
[11:52] <jdub> guys
[11:52] <borgista> hehehehehehe.
[11:52] <eruin> I don't like penguins
[11:52] <ideafix> there has to be a catch some were
[11:52] <Cube-ness> anyway.. is it just my computer, or did i miss somehting when trying to resume from suspend-to-ram or to hd.. xserver (running hoary/xorg) just fail to restart
[11:52] <Lowry> later
[11:52] <crypticreign> open source = communism
[11:52] <crypticreign> :^)
[11:52] <jdub> don't encourage the off-topic discussion please
[11:52] <crypticreign> ok
[11:52] <mojo_> capitalists?  Hell, I don't own any property!!!
[11:52] <borgista> open source = non-centralized socialism
[11:53] <borgista> I don't even own my car.
[11:53] <jdub> mojo_, borgista: dudes.
[11:53] <cwa2> How about dealing with my topic? since you don't want to go off-topic
[11:53] <mojo_> why are we talking polotics?
[11:53] <Scooter> capitalist just means a bank owns you instead of the governmant.
[11:53] <mojo_> jdub: right on...
[11:53] <ideafix> i think this linux stuff is design to hack communist folks
[11:53] <topyli> so, anybody in who has a working serial irda dongle? because i sure don't
[11:53] <borgista> ideafix really is a classic troll.
[11:53] <yaaar> jdub: so, how am i supposed to know what file got created? none of the commands the wiki says to run specify the output file.
[11:53] <cwa2> I don't even have a working gdm
[11:53] <jdub> borgista: dude, please stop
[11:53] <borgista> ok.
[11:54] <jdub> yaaar: surely the dpkg -i <package> line specifies the name?
[11:54] <topyli> cwa2: you wanted to surf the web from the console?
[11:54] <jdub> Scooter: please don't
[11:54] <Scooter> ok sorry
[11:55] <cwa2> yes, in an attempt to google my gdm errors, since I can't get any help here
[11:55] <ideafix> Scooter: next time you throws a pie dont aim at my dick
[11:55] <jdub> ideafix: keep it polite, please.
[11:55] <mojo_> cwa GDM errors or g*dd*mn errors?  lol!
[11:55] <cwa2> mojo: both, at this point
[11:55] <yaaar> jdub: well, it specifies what I took to be the input file....but that's the command that's saying file not found. and i'm using the exact same filename after -i that it shows in the wiki, and then in the next step i'm using the same thing also.
[11:55] <mojo_> sorry, didn't mean to lead you on... lemme read back to see what you asked...
[11:55] <topyli> cwa2: oh, you'll get help for both problems all right. irc isn't always instant you know
[11:56] <topyli> so what's the gdm error?
[11:56] <jdub> yaaar: if you've followed the process, you'll have a .deb file there
[11:56] <jdub> yaaar: that's what you're meant to be installing
[11:56] <yaaar> jdub: i *did* follow the process, and i don't have a .deb file anywhere i can detect.
[11:56] <larsrohdin> jdub, i found something=) this is what crimsun told me to write, and after i did i could start openbox... sudo echo "exec /usr/bin/openbox" >> ~/.xsession
[11:57] <mojo_> cwa, I don't see your problem description in my history.  What's the short version of the story?
[11:57] <Scooter> omg! for default install of fedora core 3 I get TUXRACER LMAO!!! this distro is pretty bloated...
[11:57] <jdub> yaaar: so something went wrong :)
[11:57] <yaaar> jdub: is it supposed to be in the directory i was in when i did all that stuff?
[11:57] <yaaar> jdub: no kidding?
[11:57] <cwa2> mojo: it's long error, give me a sec to type it back
[11:57] <jdub> larsrohdin: so you're choosing 'Xsession' in gdm?
[11:58] <jdub> yaaar: well, if you don't have a .deb file, i can only assume something went wrong
[11:58] <topyli> i'm asleep already. might as well go to bed
[11:58] <larsrohdin> yes i said so,
[11:58] <Scooter> wow, I am in wrong channel sorry, i thought this was the chat channell....
[11:58] <mojo_> cwa maybe you can priate msg me... I am not too busy to help a bro out... i can maybe google for you some info...
[11:58] <yaaar> jdub: i sort of started with that knowledge. i came in here hoping to find out WHAT went wrong
[11:58] <jdub> yaaar: go through the steps again, watch the output
[11:58] <jdub> yaaar: check what files exist at each point, etc.
[11:58] <sobralense> anybody knows if I do something like "chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm" I may start with a terminal and not with GDM ?
[11:58] <jdub> larsrohdin: ah, i thought you were choosing an openbox session in gdm
[11:59] <jdub> larsrohdin: okay, so edit .xsession, and add "nautilus &" at the beginning, before exec openbox
[11:59] <larsrohdin> ok, ive foun the .xsession file now... should i add nautilus to it?
[11:59] <jdub> it should read:
[11:59] <jdub> nautilus &
[11:59] <jdub> exec openbox
[11:59] <cwa2> localhost gconfd:Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0
[11:59] <ideafix> this distro has as SELinux  ?
[11:59] <larsrohdin> jdub, like this? nautilus & exec /usr/bin/openbox
[11:59] <jdub> cwa2: that is not a problem
[11:59] <jdub> larsrohdin: no, two lines
[11:59] <jdub> ideafix: no