[07:23] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:02] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:06] <daubers> Morning
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:05] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:06] <brobostigon> HazRPG: when you are next around, i need a quick word, please.
[09:06] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[09:07]  * MartijnVdS pets his SSD again
[09:07] <brobostigon> :)
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> also, I need a SATA-3 (6 Gbit) interface in my machine.. I'm not using its full potential now :)
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> It takes longer to get through the BIOS from powerup than to get to the login screen after the BIOS finishes :)
[09:08] <daubers> MartijnVdS:  OCZ one?
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> daubers: "Intel 510" 120GB
[09:08] <daubers> ah, ok\
[09:08] <daubers>
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> Model Number:       INTEL SSDSC2MH120A2
[09:09] <brobostigon> me eczema is really playing up, i am hating this, and timing aswell.
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> heh:
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> SSD - 2min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 2min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT.
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> "normal" disk - 46min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 46min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT.
[09:21] <popey> :D
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> now if only Intel would hurry up releasing Ivy Bridge
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> but I read that's been pushed back to March :(
[09:27] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> howdy czajkowski
[09:39]  * StevenR waits for more paint to dry
[09:45]  * StevenR wonders if it's possible to "remote control" his camera
[09:48] <daubers> StevenR: Which camera?
[09:48] <StevenR> canon powershot a1100 is
[09:49] <StevenR> there's a psremote application
[09:49] <StevenR> but it's windows only... still, shows it's possible
[09:49] <StevenR> (I'd like to do timelapse with it :))
[09:50] <daubers> StevenR: http://www.circuitsathome.com/tag/canon-powershot
[09:54] <StevenR> daubers: thanks :)  (I was hoping to do it with arduino, but my google fu is weak this morning)
[09:56] <StevenR> like when we do a show, get into the the theatre before the set goes in, and do a 1/min shot or something
[09:57] <StevenR> so the set builds like magic :)
[09:58] <StevenR> also, it'd be handy for rehearsals to catch whole set shots
[09:58] <StevenR> cos nobody ever takes the photos that I want :)
[10:04] <daubers> heh
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> You can do timed shots on Canon cameras with gphoto
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> at least, I can with my EOS and Ixus
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> and my Ixus also has the "CHDK" option
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK
[10:07] <StevenR> the photographers are taking shots of the actors for press/archive ... which is great, but I like shots of my lighting too :D
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> heh, I used to take pictures of the empty podium (with instruments) before a band started to play
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> For the light guys
[10:08] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: what do you use as a frontend for control?
[10:08] <StevenR> (for the timed shots)
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: I just did a few shots before the show started, nothing special
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> (and then a lot of shots once the band started to play)
[10:22]  * daubers is quite excited about next weekend now
[10:22] <daubers> A lot to do this week to be ready
[10:23] <MooDoo> daubers: oggcamp?
[10:23] <daubers> MooDoo:  Indeedy :)
[10:23] <MooDoo> pah! :p
[10:26] <daubers> MooDoo:  Heh, I need to make sure the storage system I've put aside is ready, build a local mirror on another (and drop a better nic in it), take one of the cameras I'm borrowing somewhere with a lot of ambient noise and test it, and try OpenShot with AVCHD files
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> hmmm avchd
[10:27] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Most video cameras at the moment will record into AVCHD, so it's here to stay unfortunatley
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> daubers: at least it's a standard, and HD
[10:28] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Rubbish to edit in though :(
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> daubers: hah, but EDITING hd video is for pirates and movie studios
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> not mortals
[10:29] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Pah, I do it at least once or twice a week while testing stuff
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> daubers: well yes, but you supply to movie studios, don't you?
[10:29] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Was editing in dpx the other day. _That_ is insane
[10:29] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Not many movie studios. Mostly TV types
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> Too bad that "TV types" don't seem to understand HD here :(
[10:31] <daubers> MartijnVdS: HD is expensive. It'll take time for a lot of people to move their workflows over
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> daubers: All major TV channels in .nl are available in HD.. but there's only upscaled content on them
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Two live events in HD at the same time? Unpossible!
[10:32] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Yeah, that's cheap and easy :)
[10:32] <daubers> (upscaling)
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> When there are two sporting events, one gets HD, the other what they call "SD+" (aka 576p)
[10:33] <StevenR> hrrmph. gphoto won't make my camera take a photo. it's unsupported by the camera (connect a usb cable and it goes into "pc connect mode"
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: can you set the camera to a different mode?
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: in the menus?
[10:34] <daubers> MartijnVdS: To do HD in FCP or Avid you need very expensive storage, as you can't edit in a compressed format like h264 due to key framing. Most of the HD codecs work at about 20-50MB/s/stream so if you use 2 streams of HD you need to get 100MB/s to each edit station
[10:34] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Also, editing in HD really really hurts processors, so you need excessively powerful machines to edit in it
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> daubers: What's no in my phone was once excessively powerful though
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> now*
[10:36] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Avid recommends Xeons rather than i7's these days
[10:36] <daubers> MartijnVdS: FCP recommends 8 core xeons for editing HD
[10:36] <daubers> Was it 8 or 6… I forget
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> 10-core xeons exist
[10:38] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: the menus stop orking when it becomes a pc device
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Still, the public broadcaster (tax money etc.) should upgrade ALL its channels at once, not one every 3 years :)
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: sure, but in mine there's an option to set "PC Mode" before I connect it
[10:39] <daubers> MartijnVdS: You're talking about £50k+ for each post house! Thats before you take in account camera's, training, channel bandwidth and so on
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> daubers: They have 3 HD outputs, and they can do 3 HD broadcasts at once. It's just that they can't do >1 HD live feed at once
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> daubers: it feels like they didn't upgrade _something_ yet :)
[10:42] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I suspect it'll be a mix of cameras and what not still in process
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> daubers: probably
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I just want everything in hd... I'm impatient like that :)
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> Ah, found the 2011-2015 plan on their web site
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> cool, they have a comparison
[10:53] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: yeah, I don't get that option, the menus are rather slimmed down
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: maybe CHDK is available then?
[11:11] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: nope. looks like I need to use a servo or something
[11:11] <StevenR> but there's code out there to do that :)
[11:48] <CortexTrip> what about that Unity eh?
[11:48] <CortexTrip> what a pile of manure.
[11:49] <TonyP> Thats your opinion - some of us like Unity
[12:08] <directhex> i don't like unity. but i'm too lazy to use real gnome
[12:13] <StevenR> directhex: what do you use?
[12:14] <directhex> StevenR, unity. i just don't enjoy it :)
[12:14] <directhex> i've turned off some of the most obnoious changes in recent ubuntu - e.g. i have a real system tray, and i un-mapped the Super key so i can use gnome do
[12:20] <StevenR> ahh, I see
[13:22]  * StevenR blacklists an IP from South Korea
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> Only one?
[13:23] <StevenR> yeah
[13:23] <StevenR> it was trying to bruteforce my ssh not-quite-vpn
[13:23] <StevenR> but it only accepts two large ssh keys
[13:24] <StevenR> so a bruteforce password attach isn't gonna fly
[13:24] <StevenR> *attack
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: install fail2ban
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> it'll auto-block IPs after <n> auth failures in <m> seconds
[13:26] <StevenR> interesting to watch it try though :)
[13:26] <mgdm> fail2ban++
[13:40] <StevenR> well. that is irritating. Neither denyhosts or fail2ban are available for the repos on that box
[13:40] <StevenR> (it's centos5, rather than ubuntu)
[13:45] <mgdm> Oh :/
[13:45] <mgdm> tried EPEL?
[13:46] <StevenR> not yet. I kindof wanted to keep it nice and slim :)
[13:46] <mgdm> I know what you mean
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> and you use centos? :P
[13:46] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: it's slim enough :P
[13:47] <StevenR> (that and I have to support it at work, so I like to keep my hand in)
[13:52] <mgdm> Hmmm. PHP segfaulted, and not because I was doing something silly in C again.
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: cool, reproducible?
[13:53] <mgdm> Not yet :-)
[13:53] <mgdm> I happens every now and again, but often it's because of something I've written and compiled in, so I tend not to take too much notice
[14:40] <GirlyGirl> hi
[14:41] <brobostigon> hi GirlyGirl
[14:44] <GirlyGirl> bye lol
[14:45] <hamitron> oh dear brobostigon
[14:45] <hamitron> ;)
[14:46] <brobostigon> hamitron: huh ?
[14:46] <hamitron> you scared her off
[14:46] <brobostigon> i did no such thing.i couldnt have.
[14:47] <hamitron> hehe
[14:47] <popey> brobostigon: humour
[14:47] <brobostigon> hmm, ok.
[15:03] <brobostigon> sorry
[15:25] <gord> lambda's in c++0x sure are great
[17:08] <daubers> Evening
[17:15] <scoundrel50a> sorry to ask, but I need to find a simple way of creating a mysql database using the linux  terminal, can somebody point me in the direction of a easy to understand tutorial please?
[17:16] <AlanBell> !mysql
[17:16] <AlanBell> hmm, not that helpful
[17:17] <AlanBell> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-create-a-mysql-database-and-set-privileges-to-a-user
[17:17] <AlanBell> something like that maybe scoundrel50a
[17:18] <scoundrel50a> ah, thank you, that looks like it might help. If I can understand it....thank you.
[17:27] <scoundrel50a> yippee, that worked, I just created a db using the terminal, amazing.....
[17:35] <daubers> \o/ circuit board modified and rerouted
[17:49] <bigcalm> While we are on the subject of databases. Is there a good db designer in the Software Centre?
[17:50] <bigcalm> It doesn't need db access, just a visual interpretation of tables
[18:03] <Myrtti> I used something for my postgresql at one point
[18:04] <Myrtti> I'm tempted to say pgadmin but I'm sure I'm wrong
[18:04] <gord> there is a sqllite one
[18:04] <gord> i'v used it before, it was okay
[18:05] <bigcalm> I don't need actual db interaction as I will be creating things by hand later. I just want a visual way of setting up tables
[18:05] <bigcalm> Have just tried dbdesigner, but it's failing to run
[18:05] <gord> right, but things that are designed to visually set up tables, often also do db interaction as well
[18:06] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[18:07] <popey> there is a kde one
[18:07] <popey> oml thing
[18:07] <popey> akonadi?
[18:10] <Azelphur> mum bought me a mini fridge for my room :D http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/August%202011/IMG_20110807_190706.jpg
[18:10] <Azelphur> only 10 quid from boot sale too, fun fun \o/
[18:14] <hamitron> Azelphur: maybe a hint "here is your first piece of kit to move out"
[18:14] <daubers> bigcalm: I quite like the mysqlworkbench
[18:14] <hamitron> ;)
[18:14] <Azelphur> hamitron: haha nah I've been after getting one, it's a long way to the fridge from up here so most houses have a little fridge on the top floor if people are living up there
[18:14] <Azelphur> kinda sucks walking 3 down and 3 up  just to get a drink or something.
[18:15] <hamitron> yeh :/
[18:15] <hamitron> certainly adds time
[18:15] <hamitron> I know a lot wonder what take me so long making a coffee
[18:15] <hamitron> takes*
[18:20] <Azelphur> with mailing lists, using google apps and thunderbird, is there something sensible I can do to make the mailing lists a bit more separated?
[18:20] <Azelphur> like have it separate from my unread count and move it to another folder or something
[18:20] <bigcalm> Thanks for the suggestions peeps. I shall be looking into them more later
[18:26] <StevenR> Azelphur: create filters in gmail so they don't go in the inbox?
[18:26] <Azelphur> ah, I see :)
[19:01] <Cassull> greetings
[19:01] <Cassull> there really was a uk channel for buntu... :)
[19:03] <Cassull> s/was/is
[19:03] <Azelphur> yea, we might be English too
[19:03] <Azelphur> although word on the street is we're all from mumbai india secretly :P
[19:03] <penguin42> we outsourced the channel?
[19:03] <Azelphur> yea :(
[19:05] <Cassull> :)
[19:05] <Azelphur> now I must depart, somewhere...somehow there is a Ubuntu machine needing saving (somewhere being over the road, somehow being turned off during a dist upgrade)
[19:05] <Azelphur> \o/
[19:06] <Cassull> how is the wether other there?
[19:07] <Cassull> Azelphur: yea, save the world, save your buntu! ;)
[19:31] <Azelphur> :P
[19:31] <Azelphur> so I've returned with a rather unhappy looking netbook
[19:31] <Azelphur> I ran dpkg-reconfigure -a to finish the stuff
[19:40] <daubers> dum da dum dum
[19:43] <Azelphur> doesn't seem to want to let me login though :(
[19:44] <Azelphur> login screen comes up looks like no gnome-settings-daemon and then when I login it puts up a notification "Install problem! the configuration defaults for GNOME power manager have not been installed correctly. Please contact your system administrator." and then throws me back to the login screen
[19:46] <Azelphur> guess I'll backup /home and reload :p
[19:49] <StevenR> Azelphur: what about running apt-get upgrade again?
[19:50] <StevenR> are there any packages that haven't yet been updated?
[19:50] <Laney> happy days
[19:50] <Azelphur> StevenR: nope
[19:53] <Azelphur> StevenR: think I might just be crazy and try and do the 10.10 to 11.04 upgrade and hope it fixes all the busted config files that happened during the last one
[19:55] <StevenR> Azelphur: can't make it any more broken
[19:55] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:01] <daubers> Hmmm…. my meagre electronics knowledge is failing me
[21:05] <__steve__> Any python guru's online? Not for troubleshooting, was hoping on advice on how to go about a particular cgi project...
[21:07] <mgdm> __steve__: probably easiest just to ask, if anyone knows they might answer
[21:11] <__steve__> thanks, got an existing script I use for backing up. I have recently started playing with cgi scripts, but as the backup takes a long time it is not suitable for use within the cgi script. Should I look at using a client-server setup? Any advice would be appreciated.
[21:12] <mgdm> Does it need to be run as a CGI? Might it be easier to trigger it as a cron job?
[21:19] <__steve__> mgdm, Again thanks for the feedback. Its a headless box that I use as a media server. (Specifically I am dumping a DVD to an image file) So yes, I could run a cron job at regular intervals that checks for the presence of a disc but I am interested by the challenge of getting it to work from a cgi. Any pointers?
[21:19] <mgdm> You'll be wanting to hand off to another process that can live a bit longer, in PHP land there are things like Gearman and ZMQ that can do that sort of thing, but itthat might be gigantic overkill
[21:20] <mgdm> (they're not PHP-specific, they just get used there)
[21:24] <__steve__> Those do look like they would be very useful! Overkill as you say - but it does make things interesting. Am I barking up the wrong tree thinking about a client-server architecture within python do you think? I was thinking it may be a good excuse to get better at threading.
[21:37] <mgdm> __steve__: if you fancy a challenge, I don't see why not
[21:38] <mgdm> having a main process kicking about that does work when pinged by the CGI?
[21:40] <__steve__> mgdm, That what what I was thinking - Sound like it would work?
[21:41] <mgdm> Yeah
[21:42] <__steve__> Looking at ZMQ - it seems great. It is  defiantly one to bookmark - I have a couple of ideas in mind which would be excellent. In this case though I think working from the ground up would give me more chance to learn more python.
[21:43] <mgdm> sure
[21:43] <mgdm> you basically need a 'go' button
[21:48] <__steve__> Nice, do you use python much? Or are you more into php?
[21:50] <mgdm> PHP is my day job, and I've got involved in the project itself, but I play with Python every now and again
[21:55] <__steve__> Fair enough, I do like python - suits my needs well. Thanks for the feedback.
[21:56] <mgdm> No problem :-) I'd be interested to hear how you end up doing it
[21:57] <__steve__> Sure thing, I dont get the chance to play with any programming in work time so it doesnt take much for me to start coding when Im home.
[21:58] <mgdm> I do development all day at work, which doesn't stop me doing it outside of work too :-)
[22:01] <__steve__> You mentioned you are involved in the php project, do you do dev work?
[22:06] <mgdm> __steve__: yeah, I have done the odd bit on the core and work on some extensions
[22:08] <__steve__> mgdm, Well the best of luck to you. Must shoot for now though - otherwise I will get it in the ear. ;-p


[05:20] <stub> When an SSO account is created, do we also always get a placeholder LP account with a linked emailaddress?
[07:32] <wgrant> stub: No. If an SSO account sets a username, we get a PLACEHOLDER Person and Account with OpenIDIdentifier but no EmailAddress.
[07:32] <wgrant> That is the only situation in which a PLACEHOLDER Account can exist.
[08:19] <stub> ta.


[10:09] <T-mon> Hi everyone, I upgraded yesterday from wily to xenial, and now my unity windowdecoration is gone. I already tried to reset all unity settings, without success. No window decoration, no panal. Can you help me?
[10:12] <Saviq> T-mon, hey, can you try logging in as the guest user and see if the issue is there as well?
[10:13] <T-mon> yes, I already tried that, I also created a new user...same result :-(
[10:13] <Saviq> ok so at least we know now this is likely a broken/missing package and not a configuration issue
[10:14] <Saviq> T-mon, can you look at ~/.xsession-errors and in ~/.cache/upstart/unity7.log - maybe it gives a clue
[10:14] <Saviq> cimi, you know your ways around gtk themes - think you could have a pointer for T-mon?
[10:14] <Trevinho> T-mon: window decorations are part of unity, thus it seeems nothing is running
[10:15] <T-mon> during the release upgrade I hade some dependency issue, so I had to reboot and continue with the installation, I am sure there happend some critical error
[10:15] <Trevinho> T-mon: from tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1) give a try to the "unity" command and see if it gives you some hint
[10:15] <T-mon> currently I am up to date
[10:15] <Trevinho> T-mon: apt-cache policy unity
[10:17] <T-mon> cat .xsession-errors openConnection: connect: No such file or directory cannot connect to brltty at :0
[10:17] <T-mon> apt-cache policy unity unity:   Installed: 7.4.0+16.04.20160401.1-0ubuntu1   Candidate: 7.4.0+16.04.20160401.1-0ubuntu1
[10:19] <Trevinho> T-mon: mhmhm, what trying to run unity from tty1?
[10:19] <T-mon> i just get a black sceen on tty1 :(
[10:19] <cimi> yeah looks like a unity bug more than gtk
[10:19] <Trevinho> mhm, this is weird
[10:20] <cimi> when the gtk theme is missing or something is wrong, it fallsback, no deco = no compiz running
[10:20] <T-mon> sorry I hope I havn't missed a message, I got logged out while trying to start unity -v
[10:21] <T-mon> I tried to reinstall unity, ubuntu-desctop, compiz
[10:23] <Trevinho> T-mon: if you launch unity command, wherever you can, you get anything?
[10:24] <T-mon> yes, I get the desktop background image (the original one since resetting all settings)
[10:24] <T-mon> mouse, terminal works, I can launch applications (without window decoration)
[10:26] <T-mon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15644657/
[10:27] <T-mon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15644676/
[10:27] <Trevinho> T-mon: what you get on
[10:27] <Trevinho> gsettings get org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins
[10:28] <T-mon> ['core', 'composite', 'opengl', 'compiztoolbox', 'decor', 'vpswitch', 'snap', 'mousepoll', 'resize', 'place', 'move', 'wall', 'grid', 'regex', 'imgpng', 'session', 'gnomecompat', 'animation', 'fade', 'workarounds', 'scale', 'expo', 'ezoom', 'switcher']
[10:28] <Trevinho> T-mon: oook, that's wrong :)
[10:28] <T-mon> yay! :) which part?
[10:28] <Trevinho> most of it so
[10:28] <Trevinho> gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins
[10:29] <Trevinho> plus...
[10:29] <Trevinho> (wait a sec)
[10:33] <Trevinho> T-mon: launch
[10:33] <Trevinho>  /usr/share/session-migration/scripts/*unity_session*
[10:33] <Trevinho> T-mon: restart your session and hopefully it should go
[10:33] <Trevinho> :P
[10:34] <Trevinho> ah, T-mon, if you do: echo $COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE you get ubuntu, right?
[10:34] <Trevinho> before restarting the session give me back again the output of
[10:34] <Trevinho> gsettings get org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins
[10:34] <Trevinho> for being sure
[10:35] <T-mon> hmm...
[10:35] <T-mon> gsettings get org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins ['core', 'composite', 'opengl', 'compiztoolbox', 'decor', 'vpswitch', 'snap', 'mousepoll', 'resize', 'place', 'move', 'wall', 'grid', 'regex', 'imgpng', 'session', 'gnomecompat', 'animation', 'fade', 'workarounds', 'scale', 'expo', 'ezoom', 'switcher']
[10:35] <T-mon> even after reset
[10:35] <T-mon> gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins
[10:36] <T-mon> gsettings get org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins ['core', 'composite', 'opengl', 'compiztoolbox', 'decor', 'vpswitch', 'snap', 'mousepoll', 'resize', 'place', 'move', 'wall', 'grid', 'regex', 'imgpng', 'session', 'gnomecompat', 'animation', 'fade', 'workarounds', 'scale', 'expo', 'ezoom', 'switcher']
[10:36] <T-mon> this is strange...
[10:36] <Trevinho> mh, for some reason it doesn't pick the right profile.... mhmh
[10:36] <T-mon> echo $COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE is empty
[10:36] <Trevinho> oh, that's weird, but... not completely
[10:38] <Trevinho> T-mon: you could try forcing the profile by using
[10:38] <Trevinho> gsettings set "['core', 'ccp', 'composite', 'opengl', 'regex', 'place', 'session', 'wall', 'move', 'snap', 'imgpng', 'mousepoll', 'grid', 'resize', 'compiztoolbox', 'vpswitch', 'animation', 'fade', 'expo', 'scale', 'workarounds', 'unityshell', 'ezoom']"
[10:38] <Trevinho> set.. and the path we used before: org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/
[10:39] <T-mon> gsettings gsettings get org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins['core', 'ccp', 'composite', 'opengl', 'regex', 'place', 'session', 'wall', 'move', 'snap', 'imgpng', 'mousepoll', 'grid', 'resize', 'compiztoolbox', 'vpswitch', 'animation', 'fade', 'expo', 'scale', 'workarounds', 'unityshell', 'ezoom']
[10:40] <Trevinho> ok this should work
[10:40] <Trevinho> try to launch unity command now?
[10:41] <T-mon> hmm...which one of the scripts?
[10:42] <Trevinho> T-mon: just run unity
[10:42] <Trevinho> T-mon: or, well, better unity --ignore-upstart now
[10:42] <T-mon> ok, maybe I'll be offline for a moment
[10:47] <T-mon> back again
[10:48] <T-mon> without success
[10:48] <T-mon> :-(
[10:48] <Trevinho> damn
[10:48] <Trevinho> T-mon: did you get a log?
[10:49] <Trevinho> on first run ~/.cache/upstart/unity7.log could help, otherwise just try to run from the shell as you did before
[10:50] <T-mon> cat .cache/upstart/unity7.log compiz (core) - Info: Loading plugin: core compiz (core) - Info: Starting plugin: core compiz (core) - Info: Loading plugin: ccp compiz (core) - Info: Starting plugin: ccp compizconfig - Info: Backend     : ini compizconfig - Info: Integration : true compizconfig - Info: Profile     : default compiz (core) - Info: Stopping plugin: ccp compiz (core) - Info: Unloading p
[10:50] <T-mon> sorry, i will pastbin it
[10:50] <Trevinho> Mh, no I see the most important thing
[10:50] <T-mon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15645056/
[10:50] <Trevinho> T-mon: is the compiz-gnome package installed there? :o
[10:51] <T-mon> compiz-gnome is already the newest version (1:<IP_ADDRESS>+16.04.20160331-0ubuntu1).
[10:55] <T-mon> echo $COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE gives me ubuntu btw...after the reboot into the unity session
[11:01] <t-mon|2> sorry I was offline again, I booted now into the Gnome session (compiz)
[12:36] <Mark____> How can I implement frame synchronization in Unity? All the codes I tried involving _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST work on gnome but don't on unity. Is frame synchronization supported at all in unity?
[13:00] <ltinkl> mterry, hi, for the timezone-name MP, can we set up a silo together with the u-s-s change?
[13:00] <ltinkl> mterry, I'll be happy to review that
[13:00] <mterry> ltinkl: cool.  Yeah, actually jgdx had the same request -- I'm putting them in silo 33 with the geonames translation too.  Building now
[13:01] <ltinkl> mterry, very cool, I'll check it out later when it's built
[13:01] <mterry> ltinkl: alright will ping
[14:25] <mterry> ltinkl: silo 33 has timezone-name MPs now, fully built
[14:25] <ltinkl> mterry, great, will have a look after the standup
[15:19] <om26er> now that OTA10 is out, when will the new unity8 release ?
[15:20] <tsdgeos> om26er: i think Saviq was planning a landing for end of week
[15:23] <om26er> tsdgeos, good to know, I see lots of great things approved for the next release.
[15:31] <Saviq> om26er, yeah, we're kinda waiting for a few things to settle (xenial release, xenial overlay opening, QA being busy etc.)
[15:31] <Saviq> we plan to have a new silo in the works early next week
[16:04] <om26er> Saviq, thanks, will keep watching.
[16:05] <om26er> is there a way to get current fps of unity8 ? need to monitor that for some test
[16:16] <tedg> So trying to bzr bd unity8 on xenial and getting test failures.
[16:16] <tedg> Is that expected?
[16:16] <tsdgeos> tedg: the floating ones?
[16:17] <tedg> That sounds right, but I realized I just closed the window :-/
[16:17] <tedg> Rebuilding, it'll take a sec.
[16:18] <tsdgeos> but actually we skipped those already i think
[16:18] <tsdgeos> so cant' be
[16:18]  * tsdgeos checks
[16:18] <tsdgeos> yeah flickChangesContentY/flickChangesContentX were skipped in r2322
[16:20] <tsdgeos> tedg: how much you expect "a sec" to be? i was going to eod
[16:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, go away, I'll take over
[16:21] <tedg> tsdgeos: Probably 5-10 min, Core i7, three gens ago :-)
[16:24] <tsdgeos> ok, tty tomorrow
[16:24] <tedg> 'night tsdgeos !
[16:33] <tedg> Saviq: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15655057/
[16:33] <Saviq> tedg, so no, not expected, we're building pkgs all the time...
[16:33] <Saviq> mzanetti, ideas ↑?
[16:34] <tedg> Seems to be with account service, are you building them on live Xenial machines, or just builders?
[16:34] <tedg> Perhaps my live machine could break it?
[16:35]  * mzanetti looks up what the test exactly does
[16:36] <Saviq> tedg, builders, so yeah, possible
[16:37]  * Saviq runs @home
[16:37] <mzanetti> hmm, it runs in dbus-test-runner, so should be isolated, need to figure where the accountservice on there comes from
[16:39] <Saviq> works here, /me runs bzr bd
[16:39] <tedg> Seems like this should have a --bus-type=system ? No? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/tests/plugins/Greeter/Unity/Launcher/CMakeLists.txt#L35
[16:40] <Saviq> yeah quite possibly - it contacts real AS on the system bus
[16:42] <tedg> What does this do? add_definitions(-DSM_BUSNAME=sessionBus)
[16:50] <Saviq> tedg, right, that actually makes the test connect to AS on the session bus (yeah, we wanna get rid of that)
[16:50] <Saviq> tedg, but I can reproduce with `bzr bd` locally indeed
[16:50] <tedg> Trying a build with system bus now
[16:50] <Saviq> tedg, doubt that will change anything, the -DSM_BUSNAME makes it talk on session bus alone
[16:51] <Saviq> weird that it only fails in bzr bd, but not as I run it manually, or even via dh_auto_test
[16:51] <Saviq> aha
[16:51] <Saviq> $USER not valid. Account Service integration will not work.
[16:52] <Saviq> yup
[16:52] <Saviq> just setting USER to nil makes the test fail
[16:53] <Saviq> tedg, ↑↑
[16:54] <tedg> Isn't username available via syscall? Why is it using the envvar?
[16:54] <Saviq> dunno, wonder why bzr bd gets rid of it TBH
[16:54] <tedg> At least it doesn't effect whoami. $ USER=foo whoami prints 'ted'
[16:57] <tedg> Wow, apparently Qt doesn't support getting the username according to StackExchange
[17:03] <mzanetti> yeah, so this needs to get mocked out...
[17:10] <tedg> Uhg, I fixed it in one place, but it's all over.
[17:20] <Saviq> tedg, looks like it's debuild that strips USER away
[17:21] <Saviq> dpkg-buildpackage completes fine
[17:21] <Saviq> that doesn't mean, though, that we're doing The Right Thing™
[17:23] <tedg> Saviq: I think that generally this is the fix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15656516/
[17:23] <tedg> Saviq: But there doesn't seem to be a helpers place to put that.
[17:23] <tedg> rgrep USER | grep getenv shows a lot of hits
[17:24] <Saviq> tedg, I can see 7 hits
[17:27] <tedg> That seems like a lot to me :-)
[17:27] <tedg> Enough that you'd want a helper function.
[17:29] <tedg> Seeing if this works: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15656680/
[17:35] <Saviq> @unity who's got an arale?
[17:38] <dandrader> Saviq, I do
[17:39] <Saviq> dandrader, care to try if https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-0-autopkgtest/label=phone-armhf,release=vivid+overlay,testname=autopilot.sh/525/testReport/unity8.indicators.tests.test_display_indicator/DisplayIndicatorTestCase/test_indicator_icon_must_be_visible_after_rotation_locked_MX4_Ubuntu_Edition_/ fails for you on the device?
[17:40] <dandrader> Saviq, I can try
[17:42]  * greyback eod
[17:46] <tedg> So, setting USER just causes it to break differently.
[17:46] <dandrader> Saviq, should take a while. still flashing it
[17:46] <Saviq> dandrader, no rush
[18:06] <dandrader> Saviq, I installed unity8-autopilot but "autopilot3 list unity8" doesn't show anything. Tips?
[18:07] <Saviq> dandrader, apt-cache policy unity8-autopilot ¿?
[18:08] <dandrader> Saviq, what am I looking for in its output?
[18:08] <Saviq> dandrader, can you pastebin
[18:08] <dandrader> "dpkg -L unity8-autopilot" shows it's neatly installed where it should
[18:09] <dandrader> Saviq, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15657710/
[18:09] <Saviq> yeah that looks good
[18:11] <Saviq> hrmpf
[18:13] <dandrader> Saviq, this way works :-D  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15657809/
[18:14] <Saviq> dandrader, ugh
[18:15] <dandrader> Saviq, "autopilot3 run unity8.indicators.tests.test_display_indicator.DisplayIndicatorTestCase.test_indicator_icon_must_be_visible_after_rotation_locked" failed
[18:15] <Saviq> dandrader, did you stop unity8 first? can you pastebin the test output?
[18:16] <dandrader> Saviq, yes, and I did see unity8 coming up, launching fake dash, indicator being dragged down, etc
[18:16] <Saviq> dandrader, ack, thanks
[18:16] <Saviq> we'll need to fix that test to make use of our arale in jenknis
[18:16] <Saviq> jenkins, even
[18:16] <dandrader> Saviq, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15657880/
[18:16] <Saviq> dandrader, yup, same output, thanks
[18:17] <Saviq> dandrader, FYI, added two train-refactoring branches to silo 13 and rebuilding
[18:18] <Saviq> greyback, back already? ;)


[00:01] <m0nkey_> Tuesday isn't going to be fun.
[00:01] <m0nkey_> Filling and a tooth being pulled.
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:26] <acheronuk> davmor2: ah. you lurk in here as you are in UK as well. handy to know :P
[08:27] <davmor2> acheronuk: and I have and irssi proxy so it will mail me if you ping when I'm not here too :D
[08:55] <foobarry> what linux books would you personally recommend to a complete beginner?
[08:55] <zmoylan-pi> what are they going to be using linux for?
[08:58] <foobarry> science
[08:58] <foobarry> doing their MSc
[08:58] <foobarry> http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/files/ten-steps-to-linux-survival.pdf
[08:58] <foobarry> think i found the basic beginner book i need
[09:00] <foobarry> hmm except all the examples he uses are for a guy who has suddenly been told to administer machines
[09:01] <foobarry> yeah thats the wrong book to use
[09:06] <diplo> Depends what he is using linux for I guess, you say science, but is he running CLI apps or is gui based etc
[09:07] <diplo> I've just moved a good friend who has just split up with her boyrfriend to linux ( really old laptop! ) with lubuntu and in the last two months after initial showing her I've had one call with issues
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> linux has gotten much more accessible. last time i set up a printer it took less than 5 minutes...
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a linux for dummies?
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> a little bit of everything
[09:19] <diplo> yeah probably best I'd say, but I'd say if specific sciency stuff, maybe need to write some specific docs for them as numptyish as you can ?
[09:22] <foobarry> its for a teaching intro to linux class
[09:22] <davmor2> foobarry: what linux are they using, what are they using it for?
[09:22] <foobarry> i wanted to recomend books for further reading but most are a bit dry or for sysads
[09:23] <foobarry> basic stuff, logging into a server, catting, gzipping, cd'ing around, editing files in nano, scp'ing
[09:23] <foobarry> i've written a short course but wanted to rec a further reading guide
[09:24] <davmor2> foobarry: take the free linux foundation course on edx and forget the book
[09:24] <foobarry> i think i tried that before and got spammed relentlessly and foudn the course tedious (but then again, i've been using for 25 years)
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a university has put together a linux guide for newbies that's available online for that?
[09:25] <davmor2> foobarry: if they need a book then look to ones endorsed by the linux foundation they tend to be begginery enough
[09:26] <davmor2> foobarry: right but it isn't for you right it is for a beginner
[09:26] <davmor2> foobarry: and that is what the course is tailored for
[09:36] <foobarry> zmoylan-pi: i am the university :D but yeah they/we do, just not as professional
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> maybe we're doing it wrong for this generation and maybe they just need a pointer to a youtube channel instead of a book?
[10:53] <foobarry> yeah there are some ok youtube vids
[10:57] <foobarry> can't remember the channel i found before that was good beginner level
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> videos are a bit more handholding for beginners but also can show the harder topics well
[10:59] <foobarry> done by an american woman but not nixie
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> whereas books tend to go from dick and jane have a ball to here's the source code with a smidge of a gap in the middle...
[15:20] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/Z40AsPaktzw
[15:20] <diddledan> bah, I didn't get the time included in the url
[15:21] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/Z40AsPaktzw?t=60
[17:14] <m0nkey_> diddledan: I think I'll get it in blue.. https://corpshadow.biz/bizstore/apu-combo-kits/apu12c4-blue-combo-kit.html#/218-enclosure_type_-labelled/361-storage_-32gb_msata_ssd_module
[17:17] <daftykins> woot
[17:18] <daftykins> hmm i had someone down in Spain reconfigure the ISP supplied fibre router into dumb mode, then our one of those APU machines should have PPPoA auth'd fine, but it's not online it seems
[21:24] <diddledan> https://www.nylas.com/blog/sunsetting-nylas-mail-development
[21:24]  * zmoylan-pi adds this to diddledan's reading list... :-P https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075DYXZW1
[21:25] <diddledan> haha, wat?!
[21:25] <diddledan> err. I can't not odd
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> systemd is now offically a dirty word... :-P
[22:19]  * diddledan surrounds himself in all the foam he borrowed off popey
[22:20] <diddledan> it's sooo close
[23:53] <diddledan> popey: foam launches, downloads stuff as the user directs, but can't launch those stuff thereafter - also the inbuilt browser is blank :-(


[14:46] <goraxe> is any body working on better puppet intergration with upstart?
[15:16] <goraxe> alright lets step back from puppet for a sec
[15:16] <goraxe> and talk about services which take a little time to shutdown and startup again
[15:16] <goraxe> ie squid
[15:16] <goraxe> restart squid fails
[15:18] <goraxe> it leaves squid shutting down, tries to start it again immediatly (which fails)
[15:18] <goraxe> is there any way currently to prevent this behaviour?
[15:52] <goraxe> I have solved my issue by putting a while loop into the post-stop script which looks for the (squid) process as its shutting down
[16:19] <goraxe> I have added my fix to -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid/+bug/573853


[12:39] <diddledan> I see juju 2.0 rc2 is available and the updated charms store requires at least beta16. Xenial seems to currently carry beta15 so I'm unable to progress. Should I file an issue against ubuntu/xenial to request a SRU for juju to be updated?
[12:56] <Randlema1> diddledan: i doubt they didn't think of that..
[12:57] <mgz> diddledan: you can use the ppa for a newer juju version on xenial for now
[12:57] <mgz> we're in the process of getting rc3 back to xenial
[12:57] <diddledan> cool
[12:58] <Randlema1> I also have a question! Regarding Nagios and JuJu. We added the Nagios charm and the NRPE charm. Added relations. But nagios refuses to monitor our disks :(...
[12:58] <Randlema1> Anyone who could shed a light on that? What could we be doing wrong.
[12:58] <mgz> diddledan: see the release announcement: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2016-October/007989.html>
[12:59] <diddledan> are we sure there is a package in the ppa? Candidate: 2.0~beta15-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:59] <diddledan> that's from apt policy with the ppa enabled
[13:00] <diddledan> oh, /devel;
[13:00] <diddledan> sorry, I have the juju/stable ppa . silly billy me :-p
[13:00] <mgz> :)
[13:01] <mgz> Randlema1: no idea without going off and looking at the nagios charm I'm afraid
[13:01] <Randlema1> mgz: np :)
[13:12] <lazyPower> mornin #juju o/
[13:24] <vmorris> mornin
[13:25] <Randlema1> evening
[13:35] <Spaulding> Hello folks!
[13:35] <Spaulding> https://gist.github.com/pananormalny/35d2ae4f1651145ff0d8cfcd4a196ad5
[13:35] <Spaulding> Could someone look at it and tell me why this reactive script is running in a loop?
[13:44] <lazyPower> Spaulding a pastebin or github would be helpful
[13:54] <Spaulding> lazyPower: haha you joined too late ;)
[13:54] <Spaulding> https://gist.github.com/pananormalny/35d2ae4f1651145ff0d8cfcd4a196ad5
[14:00]  * lazyPower shakes a fist at connectivity issues
[14:06] <Spaulding> hmm, maybe I need to change check_call to call?
[14:13] <magicaltrout> Spaulding: you should be able to move all that apt stuff to layer.yaml i'd have thought
[14:13] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: yeah, if you use the apt layer, all that complexity goes away
[14:13] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: there's also a lot of other things to simplify
[14:14] <magicaltrout> Spaulding: also
[14:14] <magicaltrout> you don't set
[14:14] <magicaltrout> sme.installed
[14:14] <magicaltrout> so it will always run the install hook
[14:15] <Spaulding> ok
[14:15] <Spaulding> understood
[14:16] <Spaulding> marcoceppi: it's my first charm
[14:16] <Spaulding> so still learning how to do it properly..
[14:16] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: I'll give you a few updates
[14:16] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: to help get you on the right track
[14:16] <Spaulding> \o/
[14:23] <Spaulding> ok, i've read something more about layer-apt
[14:23] <Spaulding> looks promising...
[14:27] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: yeah, I think you'll like the result
[14:28]  * marcoceppi continues to update your gist
[14:29] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: is GID important?
[14:30] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: or is it just so you can add a user to that GID
[14:30] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: as in, could you let the system autoassign for does the software expect an explicit GID mapping
[14:31] <Spaulding> i mean... those numbers are not that important
[14:31] <Spaulding> but users need to be assigned to specific groups
[14:31] <marcoceppi> right
[14:31] <marcoceppi> gotchya
[14:32] <Spaulding> and gid => 5000 so they'll not collide with other groups... rather future-proof hack...
[14:33] <Spaulding> users got also high uid >= 5000
[14:36] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: yeah
[14:36] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: just about done
[14:39] <Spaulding> :)
[14:46] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: https://gist.github.com/marcoceppi/2eb1cf988f7f64eb535b290b1de29632
[14:46] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: there's a lot going on in there, I tried to leave comments where I could
[14:47] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: there's a lot ot unpack, and I have to go for a bit, but lots of others here should be able to help, I'll try to check back in a bit
[14:48] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi: can you write my charms please?
[14:48] <Spaulding> marcoceppi: thank you! :)
[14:49] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: no problem, by the looks of it, you'll probably find the apache layer useful as well
[14:58] <Spaulding> marcoceppi: yeah, i guess
[14:59] <Spaulding> hmm... it's hard to google some layers...
[15:01] <Spaulding> marcoceppi: I can only see layers related to apache... but not strictly layer-apache..
[15:08] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: yeah, my bad. There's a search bar top right on http://interfaces.juju.solutions/ but it appears there's only apache-php and apache-wsgi
[15:08] <marcoceppi> no base apache layer
[15:10] <Spaulding> exactly! but still I think I can use apache-php... even some parts of it
[15:11] <Spaulding> cause I'll need to manage some files
[15:11] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: yeah, when I create sharable layers, I usually do everything in my layer, then I find the parts that I see as reusable and strip time out into it's own layer
[15:12] <marcoceppi> we're long overdue for an apache layer, much like how we have an nginx layer
[15:14] <Spaulding> so you're working on apache layer?
[15:14] <Spaulding> i mean - ubuntu team...
[15:16] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: not at the moment
[15:16] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: if I come across a project that needs an apache layer I'll probably do one, but most of the stuff I charm up uses naginx
[15:17]  * marcoceppi signs off for a bit
[15:18] <marcoceppi> Spaulding: oh, well, I think we can take the apache-php layer and instead make it just apache and then make apache-php use the apache layer and php layer and just merge them there but the php layer hasn't been published yet (I'm still getting that one ironed out)
[15:19] <Spaulding> Unfortunatelly I can't use nginx
[15:19] <Spaulding> not right now...
[15:19] <Spaulding> not with this project (suexec, perl etc.)
[15:19] <marcoceppi> yeah, no worries
[15:19] <marcoceppi> I'm just commenting on why we don't really have a base apache layer, at least why I havent created one
[15:19] <Spaulding> but still, because of you now I see how juju and layers works
[15:20] <Spaulding> cause juju docs - hmm... they don't have enough information
[15:48] <lazyPower> Spaulding - filing bugs against http://github.com/juju/docs/issues  will help us target those areas that aren't clear and expand on the information there.  Specifically if you could call out missing concepts, verbiage, etc. that would have helped that would be tops.
[16:27] <Spaulding> lazyPower: sure, will do!
[16:36] <lazyPower> thanks Spaulding :)
[19:04] <stokachu> rick_h_: whats the status on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-release-tools/+bug/1631038
[19:04] <mup> Bug #1631038: Need /etc/sysctl.d/10-juju.conf <juju-release-tools:Triaged by torbaumann> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1631038>
[19:04] <stokachu> i think we're hitting this with our single system deployment of openstack
[19:29] <Siva> I have deployed an application and I find that the 'juju status' shows the machine in pending state, though the MAAS UI says the machine is 'Deployed'
[19:30] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: i've been thinking about the bigtop hdfs smoke-test failing with < 3 units.  without a dfs-peer relation, can i detect how many peers a datanode might have?  if not, i'm thinking of running a dfsadmin report to get a count of live datanodes.  thoughts?
[19:30] <Siva> It is in pending state for 15 mts now
[19:30] <Siva> Is there a log file I can look at to debug and see what is happening?
[19:31] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: I don't think there's a way to count the units w/o a peer relation, though it would be trivial to add one.  But dfsadmin seems reasonable, too
[19:31] <kwmonroe> ack cory_fu, dfsadmin is trivialier for me to add ;)
[19:34] <Siva> Any help is much appreciated
[19:36] <zeestrat> Randlema1: You hitting something like this with Nagios and the NRPE charm? https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/nagios/+bug/1605733
[19:36] <mup> Bug #1605733: Nagios charm does not add default host checks to nagios <family> <nagios> <nrpe> <unknown> <nagios (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605733>
[19:39] <Siva> I am seeing this status for 1 hr
[19:39] <Siva> 1         started  <IP_ADDRESS>  4y3hkf                trusty  default 4         pending  <IP_ADDRESS>   4y3hkg                trusty  default
[19:40] <Siva> which log file should I look at to see why the machine is not moving to 'started' state?
[19:42] <kwmonroe> Siva: can you ssh to the pending unit?  either "juju ssh 4" or "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:43] <kwmonroe> Siva: also, does "juju status 4 --format=yaml" tell you more about why the machine is pending?
[19:45] <Siva> Nope. I am not able to ssh into it
[19:46] <Siva> I see on teh machine console that curl call to juju-controller to connect on port 17070 is failing
[19:46] <Siva> I see on the machine console that curl call to juju-bootstrap node to connect on port 17070 is failing
[19:50] <Siva> Here is the output
[19:50] <Siva> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23309745/
[20:06] <kwmonroe> Siva, is there a way to get onto machine 4 from maas?  i'm curious what your /var/log/cloud-init* logs look like
[20:19] <rick_h_> stokachu: it's setup to be in GA to get the extra config so you get a couple more LXD ootb, but it's not a big swing
[20:19] <rick_h_> stokachu: to get the big changes you need a logout/back in or reboot and we can't do it ootb
[20:19] <stokachu> rick_h_: gotcha
[20:19] <stokachu> rick_h_: ill document this on our side
[20:20] <rick_h_> stokachu: yea, we now show the link to scaling lxd wiki page on bootstrap for lxd because of it
[20:20] <stokachu> rick_h_: you have that link so i can keep the message the same?
[20:34] <rick_h_> stokachu: https://github.com/lxc/lxd/blob/master/doc/production-setup.md
[20:35] <stokachu> thanks
[20:59] <bdx> hows it going everyone?
[20:59] <bdx> is there a way to specify what subnet I bootstrap to?
[21:00] <rick_h_> bdx: sorry, a couple of folks that would know were on holiday last week. I'm sending an email right now to find out and will get back to you tomorrow
[21:00] <rick_h_> bdx: they're in EU end EOD atm
[21:00] <rick_h_> but will be back in the morning
[21:01] <rick_h_> bdx: this is on AMZ correct?
[21:01] <rick_h_> bdx: or something else?
[21:07] <bdx> rick_h_: thats great, thanks
[21:07] <bdx> rick_h_: yea, aws
[21:08] <rick_h_> bdx: and this is not going to work with the vpc-id constraint?
[21:08] <rick_h_> bdx: because there's > 1 subnet or any other details I can pull out?
[21:09] <bdx> rick_h_: exactly ... I have 50+ and growing subnets
[21:10] <rick_h_> bdx: k, will see.
[21:10] <bdx> rick_h_: thx
[21:24] <katco> someone here was asking about lxd and zfs?
[21:24] <rick_h_> katco: sorry, the canonical one
[21:24] <katco> rick_h_: oh... i cannot atm :( my server is down
[21:24] <katco> rick_h_: hd went out
[21:24] <rick_h_> katco: ok, but can you join from the current client?
[21:25] <katco> rick_h_: i don't have any certs or anything
[21:25] <katco> rick_h_: i can try and get that set up..
[21:25] <ahasenack> katco: hi, I was just wondering how juju calls lxd init
[21:25] <ahasenack> if it requests zfs or not
[21:25] <ahasenack> juju 2 rc3 specifically
[21:25] <ahasenack> on xenial
[21:26] <katco> ahasenack: try running bootstrap with --debug; it should provide some information about the rest calls
[21:26] <ahasenack> katco: this is the maas provider, where I did a deploy --to lxd:0
[21:26] <ahasenack> it's that lxd
[21:26] <katco> ahasenack: ah
[21:27] <ahasenack> katco: I'm seeing abysmal i/o performance inside that container, and I checked and saw that the host has the lxd containers backed by one big zfs image file
[21:27] <ahasenack> I haven't seen this before, and I can't tell if it's new
[21:28] <katco> ahasenack: so you're wondering if it requests zfs by default?
[21:28] <ahasenack> yes
[21:28] <ahasenack> if not, there are other clues I can chase
[21:28] <ahasenack> like, if zfsutils is installed, then lxd will pick zfs by default, I'm told
[21:32] <katco> ahasenack: it certainly looks like if series == "xenial" it's going to initialize a zfs pool
[21:32] <ahasenack> hmmm
[21:32] <katco> ahasenack: trying to figure out where that gets used...
[21:32] <ahasenack> katco: does it create the pool beforehand, file-backed?
[21:32] <ahasenack> I got a 100G pool
[21:32] <ahasenack> in the host
[21:33] <katco> ahasenack: yeah: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/78273ef59ee77c0be55f761346917cfe63842dcd/container/lxd/initialisation_linux.go#L136
[21:33] <katco> ahasenack: ah, so it looks like it's telling lxd to use zfs from the get-go... juju doesn't do anything else after that
[21:34] <katco> ahasenack: all created containers will allocate to that pool backed by zfs
[21:34] <ahasenack> 90%
[21:35] <katco> ahasenack: alarming, but at least it's sparse
[21:35] <katco> ajmitch: i don't know where that magic number came from
[21:36] <ahasenack> katco: I think lxd caps it at 100G
[21:36] <katco> ajmitch: oops sorry for misping
[21:37] <ahasenack> katco: ok, so if xenial, that happens. Else, it's just "lxd init"?
[21:39] <katco> ahasenack: i believe it will just use the presumably running lxd daemon. init in this case is just to initialize a storage pool
[21:40] <ahasenack> got it, thanks
[21:40] <katco> ahasenack: hth
[21:42] <vmorris> bdx rick_h_: this really needs to be updated https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/network-spaces
[21:42] <vmorris> I guess you can only work with spaces if MAAS is the undercloud, but in juju 2 it doesn't seem that spaces are configurable directly
[21:45] <jgriffiths> Is there any way to use a local juju controller (lxd) to deploy bundles to remote MAAS system?  Just looking at maas/juju for the first time and need to know if I need an extra piece of physical hardware for the juju controller.
[21:50] <vmorris> jgriffiths: i asked a similar question but yeah, you've gotta have a whole dedicated machine in your MAAS cluster for the juju controller
[21:51] <vmorris> jgriffiths: i also find it silly, but currently running MAAS all with KVM VMs, so I can get away with a tiny VM for the controller
[21:54] <jgriffiths> vmorris: Thanks! I've been looking around the internet for a couple hours trying to find out how to do it before I started thinking that it wasn't even possible. It's a huge waste in a bare metal environment. So, it looks like I need a physical MAAS server, a physical controller, and all the nodes for Openstack.
[21:54] <jgriffiths> And a grammar teacher.
[21:55] <vmorris> jgriffiths: yeah if you're looking to run the openstack-base bundle, it's really 5 machines :P
[21:55] <vmorris> plus the maas controller, yep
[21:56] <vmorris> jgriffiths: my current configuration has maas-controller and 4 maas machines all as KVM guests on the same physical host
[21:56] <vmorris> sorry, 5 maas machines
[21:58] <vmorris> jgriffiths: it's stable, but complex.. I've been exploring the openstack-on-lxd approach for about a week, and it's not quite as stable in my experience
[21:58] <vmorris> i still like the pure lxd approach though
[22:01] <jgriffiths> One last stupid question then. Do I need a controller if I'm manually deploying the individual charms? And now that you mention it, is anybody making an openstack-base style bundle without any containers at all (apt-get everything)?
[22:03] <jgriffiths> I'm still learning all this and have a lot of holes in my knowledge of charms.
[22:16] <vmorris> jgriffiths: I'm not aware of any way to deploy a charm without a controller
[22:16] <vmorris> jgriffiths: I'm also unaware of anyone at canonical doing anything to deploy openstack from a vendor perspective outside of juju
[22:16] <vmorris> but i am not an expert in the matter!
[22:18] <jgriffiths> Thank you very much vmorris!
[22:18] <vmorris> sure :_)
[22:20] <spaok> jgriffiths: you can deploy the openstack bundle to whatever
[22:21] <spaok> containers are just easy low overhead servers
[22:21] <vmorris> spaok: not without a juju controller bootstrapped
[22:21] <vmorris> that was the first q
[22:21] <spaok> vmorris: correc
[22:21] <spaok> I was talking about the container part
[22:22] <vmorris> ah ok, but still they're going to end up running services in containers on the machines
[22:22] <vmorris> right?
[22:22] <spaok> not really, you can use KVM
[22:23] <spaok> we don't run containers for our vm's yet
[22:23] <vmorris> ah yeah, that's right re: KVM
[22:24] <vmorris> do you have a link to that? I saw the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1547665
[22:24] <mup> Bug #1547665: juju 2.0 no longer supports KVM for local provider <2.0-count> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547665>
[22:24] <jgriffiths> I was referencing the "openstack-on-lxd approach" not being stable concept and thought vmorris was suggesting not using containers for the components.
[22:24] <vmorris> spaok: or are you just talking about juju 1?
[22:25] <vmorris> jgriffiths: it's just not stable for me, i've heard it works.. just hasn't been my experience yet
[22:25] <jgriffiths> I was referencing the "openstack-on-lxd approach" not being stable comment and thought vmorris was suggesting not using containers for the components.
[22:25] <spaok> I'm saying KVM as the compute type for openstack
[22:25] <spaok> as for the bundle part, I would target physical servers
[22:25] <spaok> in MAAS or something
[22:25] <jgriffiths> Oh. So you're not running any services inside containers?
[22:25] <vmorris> spaok: alright, then we're talking about different things
[22:26] <spaok> vmorris: ya, there's the compute VM's and the OpenStack services, the later can be deployed to physical servers, LXD containers, or even KVM (maybe that bug you referenced)
[22:27] <spaok> I was saying you can build on all physical servers with KVM type compute nodes and have zero containers
[22:27] <vmorris> spaok: using the openstack-base bundle?
[22:28] <spaok> ya, you just modify it slightly
[22:28] <spaok> specify machines and make them the targets for the services
[22:28] <vmorris> spaok: yep alright, good point there
[22:28] <spaok> though I would say its a waste of hardware
[22:29] <spaok> and not how we are building our new production systems
[22:29] <spaok> we us containers
[22:29] <spaok> s/us/use/
[22:29] <vmorris> yep
[22:30] <spaok> jgriffiths: I think containers for openstack services is pretty stable, the questionable one is LXD as the compute backend
[22:30] <spaok> but that does work too
[22:30] <spaok> which is the bundle you referred to
[22:31] <jgriffiths> That's what I thought. It seemed pretty stable. Thanks spaok
[22:31] <spaok> the new HA stuff using DNS is pretty good too , we had a lot issues with the hacluster charm way of doing it
[22:32] <spaok> but our setup is fairly off the beaten path also
[22:32] <vmorris> spaok: do you have any published architectures or white papers?
[22:33] <spaok> no not really, our original design was based on https://github.com/wolsen/ods-tokyo-demo/blob/master/ods-tokyo.yaml
[22:33] <spaok> that we added a bunch of overlay to and some other stuff
[22:33] <spaok> the new "2.0" version of our stuff we stripped most of that out
[22:34] <vmorris> cool, thanks
[23:23] <Juju3> Fgffd
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[23:46] <smgoller> maybe I should start here instead. :)
[23:46] <smgoller> so I've deployed openstack via the charm, and I'm working on increasing the size of the cluster. Now, the readme says to scale out neutron to do "juju add-unit neutron-gateway", but I only need neutron-openvswitch on the additional nodes. but if I try to add-unit neutron-openvswitch it complains about it being a sub-charm or somesuch. Any ideas?  In the initial deployment, neutron-gateway only ends up on 1 machine instead of all 4.


[20:49] <BluesKaj> drivers for what , milemist ?
[20:49] <Psi-Jack> How do I get OSS devices listed in KDE4.1's sound settings Audio Capture listing to actually show up using the gstreamer backend?
[20:49] <DaSkreech> Dekans: Alt+F2 -> Click the wrench -> user Interface -> Task oriented
[20:51] <milemist> When I try to activate the drivers, while installing them, it says "sorry, package "XXXX" failed to install or upgrade!
[20:51] <milemist> the drivers are for a broadcom card
[20:52] <milemist> and an ATI graphics driver
[20:53] <Guest58475> I am usign kde 3.5 should I upgrade to 4.1??
[20:53] <Guest58475> *using
[20:53] <CTShadow> how do i remove entries from kmenu in kde4.1?
[20:55] <Psi-Jack> What's a KDE4 recording program?
[20:56] <Psi-Jack> CTShadow: Right click the menu button, Menu Editor
[20:56] <Dekans> DaSkreech: ah ok, I understood quickaccess was on the board out of the box
[20:56] <Dekans> thank you
[20:56] <CTShadow> Psi-Jack: thank you very much, i should have thought of that myself
[20:57] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, a lot of KDE is pretty much common sense these days. ;)
[20:57] <DaSkreech> Dekans: Board?
[20:57] <Psi-Jack> Always has been really, but it's even more so in the 4 series than ever before.
[20:57] <DaSkreech> Guest58475: I have no idea. If KDE 4.1 works for you then yes if it doesn't then no
[20:57] <Psi-Jack> Unlike Gnome, hiding everything in gconf crap.
[20:57] <antiroach> Psi-Jack k3b
[20:57] <Psi-Jack> antiroach: k3b is a CD burning program.
[20:58] <Psi-Jack> antiroach: I need audio recording.
[20:58] <antiroach> i know
[20:58] <antiroach> what do you mean by recording ?
[20:58] <antiroach> ah ok gotcha.
[20:58] <antiroach> maybe audacity does it ?
[20:58] <DaSkreech> kdenlive  ?
[20:58] <antiroach> or krecorder heh
[20:58] <DaSkreech> What level of Audio recording?
[20:58] <Psi-Jack> Right now? Simple microphone stuff.
[20:59] <Dekans> DaSkreech: what's the name for kicker in HDE 4 ?
[20:59] <Dekans> KDE*
[20:59] <DaSkreech> Dekans:
[20:59] <torero> give me please cannel from Russia
[20:59] <DaSkreech> Panel
[20:59] <DaSkreech> !ru
[20:59] <torero> !ru
[20:59] <Psi-Jack> But, I don't see krecord.
[20:59] <antiroach> sudo aptitude install krecord ?
[20:59] <Psi-Jack> E: Package krecord has no installation candidate
[21:00] <Psi-Jack> Package krecord is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[21:00] <antiroach> hmm ya thats strange
[21:00] <CTShadow> Psi-Jack: Jeah, you'r right.  Someone else sees the insanity
[21:00] <Psi-Jack> CTShadow: Not really. Besides Window's registry, most of the basic functions are still common sense
[21:01] <DaSkreech> Приветствую
[21:01] <Psi-Jack> Which is exactly what Gnome seems to be copying, Window's errors with registery. ;)
[21:01] <DaSkreech> Psi-Jack: No a lot of Windows is crazy when trying to explain it to someone who has no clue
[21:02] <Psi-Jack> I never had a problem.
[21:02] <DaSkreech> Linux is bad but at least it focuses on teaching you core concepts and building on them
[21:02] <DaSkreech>  WIndows is purely random
[21:03] <CTShadow> DaSkreech: yeah, and in my opinion it is awful that nearly everyone grows up with windows and often doesn't even know that there are also other, even better, operating systems
[21:05] <DaSkreech> CTShadow: Only you can change that!!
[21:05] <DaSkreech> *cough* and thousands of programmers artists organizers and supporters
[21:05] <DaSkreech> Only you!!
[21:06] <Dekans> mmm
[21:06] <Dekans> kde3 apps icons don't go in the systray
[21:06] <Dekans> but KDE 4.2 seems pretty cool =)
[21:09] <Guest58475> !kde4.2
[21:09] <Psi-Jack> Okay. In Firefox 3, since I initially installed Ubuntu, not Kubuntu, Firefox wants to use Evolution for mail, but I don't want to use Evolution for mail, instead, I use Kmail (for now):  How do I properly configure Firefox to use kmail, as it's not listed as an action in the dropdown list?
[21:09] <DaSkreech> Guest58475: Read the topic
[21:10] <Dekans> Psi-Jack: in firefox preferences
[21:10] <Dekans> there's an applications tab
[21:11] <Psi-Jack> Yes.
[21:11] <Psi-Jack> I'm there now.
[21:11] <Dekans> you should sut it up here
[21:11] <Psi-Jack> As I said, kmail is not listed in the drop-down list. ;)
[21:11] <DaSkreech> http://www.terminaldigit.com/2008/08/08/get-firefox-to-honor-kde-file-associations/
[21:11] <Psi-Jack> GMail and Yahoo Mail are, or Other, which I presume is what I'd need to do.. But..
[21:11] <DaSkreech> you can do other and put in the output of which kmail I think
[21:11]  * Psi-Jack tilts his head.
[21:12] <Dekans> Psi-Jack: you can find kmail
[21:12] <Dekans> in /usr/bin/kmail
[21:13] <camdna97> hey guys, is there a documented way to install kubuntu using a floopy boot disk and the image on a usb drive?
[21:14] <Psi-Jack> Okay, cool. I wasn't sure that'd be all there need to do.
[21:15] <DaSkreech> !install
[21:16] <camdna97> ok, tring to get it installed on a laptop that the cd-drive is bad
[21:16] <sourcemaker> where is the configuration file located which contains the font settings for kde?
[21:21] <jtisme> camdna97, hold on i may have the url
[21:22] <jtisme> camdna97, here is one i know about http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[21:24] <robinr> The upgrade instructions for 8.04-8.10 says: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[21:25] <robinr> but I have no kdesu
[21:25] <Psi-Jack> DaSkreech: Heh, that URL you gave earlier, doesn't seem to want to work. ;)
[21:25] <DaSkreech> i gave lots of urls
[21:25] <Psi-Jack> DaSkreech: I double-click a file in the download list, in this case, a tar.gz, it opens it, immediately.
[21:25] <Psi-Jack> DaSkreech: The one about Firefox. ;)
[21:26] <antiroach> robinr sudo aptitude install kdesu
[21:26] <antiroach> or maybe not :(
[21:26] <robinr> ..not
[21:27] <antiroach> robinr sudo aptitude install kdesudo
[21:28] <DaSkreech> robinr: kdesudo
[21:28] <DaSkreech> Might not be symlinked correctly
[21:30] <robinr> and the rest? I have not kdesu and no adept_manager
[21:30] <antiroach> your distro is fucked up heh
[21:30] <robinr> this page btw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
[21:30] <antiroach> kdesudo should make kdesu for you
[21:30] <antiroach> available
[21:30] <antiroach> what are you upgrading from
[21:31] <antiroach> sudo aptitude install adept
[21:32] <robinr> forget it...
[21:32] <antiroach> ok.
[21:32] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | antiroach
[21:32] <robinr> it says I have 8.10, i could swear it was 8.0.4
[21:33] <antiroach> DaSkreech haha sorry
[21:33] <robinr> thanks anyway
[21:35] <DaSkreech> robinr: You are on Ibex
[21:37] <robinr> DaSkreech: Codename:       intrepid
[21:37] <robinr> it says
[21:37] <robinr> Release:        8.10
[21:37] <DaSkreech> robinr: you are up to date
[21:37] <robinr> so kde 4.2 is not included, ok
[21:37] <antiroach> right
[21:38] <DaSkreech> robinr: 4.2 doesn't exist yet
[21:46] <Dr_Link> KDE > GNOME > Xfce > Fluxbox.
[21:49] <sourcemaker> do I need a std.vcf file resource... if I use akonadi?
[21:49] <sourcemaker> kde 4.2 b2
[21:50] <DaSkreech> sourcemaker: you can if you like
[21:50] <vega_> ..
[21:56] <sourcemaker> DaSkreech: I am not sure... but do I need both?
[21:58] <DaSkreech> sourcemaker: no
[21:58] <sourcemaker> DaSkreech:  in system settings... I can define the akonadi resource for my contacts... this is a std.vcf file
[21:59] <sourcemaker> DaSkreech: but in kresource... I can also define this...
[22:00] <sourcemaker> DaSkreech: ok... I understand now... wow... :-)
[22:04] <DaSkreech> :-)
[22:09] <yotux> is there a way to make websites think that I am using firefox when I am using konquerer
[22:10] <DaSkreech> yotux: tools menu
[22:10] <yotux> I am new to KDE and willing to give it a try
[22:11] <genii> yotux: An oldie but goodie http://forum.soft32.com/linux/Konqueror-User-Agent-ftopict282046.html
[22:11] <Dekans> does someone know how to have a notification only for the first message ssend by a contact in kopete
[22:11] <Dekans> and note the 3 or 4 lines in a column of notifications at one time
[22:11] <yotux> do you guys use konquere more than firefox?
[22:11] <genii> yotux: Not me
[22:12] <Dekans> I tried to 'enqueue' messages but it's not that
[22:12] <Dekans> yotux: nope
[22:12] <yotux> genii: what do you use?
[22:12] <avihayb> yotux: about 10% of the sites I use don't preform well on knoq
[22:12] <yotux> safe to assume you are using firefox?
[22:13] <genii> yotux: Firefox, generally. But also elinks since I'm ssh-ing a lot
[22:13] <avihayb> it is. but I was thinking seriously of switching to chromioum
[22:14] <yotux> chrome is coll was not aware there was a nix version yet.  Use it a work where there are only windows clients
[22:14] <DaSkreech> Dekans: It only shows the first one
[22:14] <Psi-Jack> Okay, Screw it. How do I upgrade KDE to 4.2 beta, but /just/ KDE?
[22:14] <yotux> For me firefox is really slow with gmail
[22:14] <avihayb> http://www.codeweavers.com/services/ports/chromium/
[22:15] <genii> Psi-Jack: The 4.2 beta link is in the /topic :)
[22:15] <Psi-Jack> Oh.. Well..
[22:15] <avihayb> I had lot's of problems with firefox on this 8.10 release. untill I change the QT4 engine or renderer or whatever it's called
[22:16] <yotux> you have a like for that ?
[22:16] <DaSkreech> Psi-Jack: What?
[22:16] <Dekans> DaSkreech: not for me :(
[22:16] <genii> Well, I gotta leave work and go home. I'll be /away now.
[22:16] <Psi-Jack> I'm good.  I find myself using synaptic more, because it's interface has more to it, more informational.
[22:17] <Dekans> DaSkreech: it's what i did
[22:18] <Dekans> I don't think I have to restart kopete
[22:18] <DaSkreech> Psi-Jack: The authour wrote it in a very short time period as a favour to get it there in time for Kubuntu 81.0 release
[22:18] <Psi-Jack> Oh.
[22:18] <DaSkreech> Dekans: You don't. It will queue up a bunch of stuff
[22:18] <avihayb> Psi-Jack: My theory is that adept was designed by aliens for aliens useing dead alien parts, but thats just a theory
[22:18] <Psi-Jack> heh
[22:18] <DaSkreech> Dekans: Press ctrl+Shift+I and it will jump to the first message and dequeue the rest
[22:19] <DaSkreech> As long as you have the window focused you will get no more notifications
[22:19] <DaSkreech>  when it's not focused it will queue up the first one again with a trail
[22:19] <Dekans> but when the window doesn't have
[22:19] <Dekans> if I receive 5 lines of message
[22:19] <Dekans> I have 5 notifications
[22:20] <Dekans> and I 'enqueue' messages :/
[22:20] <DaSkreech> Dekans: ctrl+shit+I should remove all of them
[22:20] <avihayb> I find adept so counter intuituve, that I can't use it for more then 30 sec at a time in fear of major headakes
[22:20] <DaSkreech> avihayb: It's dead. The Authour blogged it two days ago
[22:20] <avihayb> acks
[22:20] <avihayb> WOHO!
[22:20] <Dekans> DaSkreech: It's not a good solution, I wanna have one single notification for one contact chating
[22:21] <Dekans> but it's not very important
[22:21] <avihayb> lonk live synaptic!
[22:21] <avihayb> *long
[22:21] <DaSkreech> Dekans: Yeah it used to work like that but ironically it drove me crazy
[22:21] <DaSkreech> Dekans: You can suggest a solution in #kopete or code a new option
[22:22] <avihayb> ok, here is one for you: How do I stop my system from changeing the numlock status while shift is pressed?
[22:23] <Dekans> coding would take me a lot of time, and I don't have it for now :(
[22:27] <Koordin-> hi, does someone here have a little time to spend for me ? i have a sound that has a very bad quality, could someone help me to turn it right ? i tried with audacity, but without sucess ... http://www.partage-facile.com/148434-partie_1.wma.html  please i need someone's help
[22:30] <avihayb> yotux: well, seems codeweavers just made chromum compatible with wine, so it's not a reasonable browser solution
[22:36] <denis_> !de
[22:38] <denis_> Hello, I have problems installing Amarok 2
[22:39] <denis_> I added the source but Adept doesn't show me the amarok-kkde package
[22:44] <denis_> schnarch
[22:52] <bahr> omg this kde thing is really totally different than my old windows thingy :-o
[23:03] <DaSkreech> bahr: ha ha :-)
[23:03] <mr_clark> Hi guys. Upgraded to Openoffice.org 3. When I start it I get a message about recovering a file, it crashes and the only error I see on the command line is:
[23:04] <mr_clark> ASSERT: "slOpt" in file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.2/kdeui/kernel/kstyle.cpp, line 3314
[23:04] <mr_clark> I did a google search and found some others with the same problem but no solution. Any ideas?
[23:05] <wvmac_> mr_clark: same problem here, haven't looked for a solution yet
[23:07] <mr_clark> Hoping I can easily downgrade. just trying it now. Very frustrating.
[23:08] <mr_clark> Every other distro seems to have 3 included.
[23:13] <DaSkreech> mr_clark: There is a PPA with KDE3
[23:13] <genii> DaSkreech: It may or may not be up right now
[23:14] <DaSkreech> genii: Curses
[23:14] <DaSkreech> Anyway I'm off
[23:15] <genii> The kubuntu devs asked the guy to make sure it doesn't break anything first, previously he had been distributing it from his own website
[23:16]  * genii gives DaSkreech a parting gift
[23:17] <sigma20> can someone please post me a screenshot of the kmail message view  from beta 2?
[23:29] <mr_clark> DarkriftX, I don't want to go back to kde 3.
[23:29] <mr_clark> oops. sorry.
[23:29] <mr_clark> That was for DaSkreech
[23:30] <Psi-Jack> Does the kubuntu 8.10 installer allow you to define and setup LVM stripes?
[23:31] <Psi-Jack> Or LVM at all? (but hopefully defining striping, not just concat)
[23:42] <bob_> can you "share" a mount point like you can a windows share?
[23:55] <Psyrix> I just installed KDE for Ubuntu 8.10, and i log in, and the text is so small....i can't tell what i am doing, can anyone help me?
[23:57] <genii> bob_: For linux-linux machine sharing, you mean? Or some other thing


[07:41] <gour> morning
[07:41] <gour> jelmer: i've installed dulwich from the trunk, but with every git repo i try, git --> brz fails with: brz: ERROR: ValueError: too many values to unpack (see e.g. https://pastebin.com/z9RXgPs9)
[10:59] <jelmer> gour: you also need an update to brz-git
[11:02] <gour> jelmer: i've r1757 installed?
[11:04] <gour> ahh, r1759 does work, it seems
[11:05] <gour> jelmer: nope, another error: https://pastebin.com/4BCZxPSS
[11:35] <jelmer> ah, that one I have a fix for
[11:54] <jelmer> gour: pushed a fix to lp:brz-git
[11:57] <jelmer> (sorry, already had that locally but never pushed)
[11:58] <gour> jelmer: what about this one: https://pastebin.com/8Pr5vznd
[12:10] <jelmer> ah, right - yes, I have a fix for that to brz that hasn't landed yet
[12:11] <jelmer> gour: lp:~jelmer/brz/fix-import-stacked
[12:11] <jelmer> ... and that should be it
[12:29] <gour> jelmer: thanks a lot, now it worked!
[12:32] <jelmer> \o/
[12:34] <gour> even pull from restic worked ;)
[12:35] <gour> any raw estimation when brz-3.0 might be released?
[12:36] <jelmer> gour: no idea, it's basically just me and mgz hacking on it at the moment
[12:36] <jelmer> we're down to ~300 out of 1800 brz-git tests failing
[12:36] <jelmer> and to ~9000 tests (out of 25000) passing with python3
[12:55] <jelmer> gour_: did you see my last three lines?
[13:52] <gour_> jelmer: yes, i did


 @Sheilong [<Sheilong> The installer of lubuntu doesn't open. I burn an usb disk using usb-c …], I allways use Mkusb. It works very well
 @Sheilong [<Sheilong> The installer of lubuntu doesn't open. I burn an usb disk using usb-c …], User rufus
 *use
[04:43] <krytarik> I'll mention that the user is long gone now.
 Ohh! lite then.
[05:07] <Sheilong> I am still here
[05:07] <Sheilong> I was trying to install with the minimal CD and it failed
[05:07] <Sheilong> I really don't know what to do = //
[05:07] <Sheilong> always fails at install software
 Try alternate version
 Maybe?
[05:20] <krytarik> ...Oh, again here then. :P
[05:24] <krytarik> Sheilong: "The installer of lubuntu doesn't open." - is it LP bug 1813687 then perhaps?
[06:33] <lynorian> Sheilong: is the drive you are trying to install onto ok?
[10:59] <qwebirc72816> Hey! I hope everyone here is good. I got an issue with my instalation of Lubuntu. Could someone help?
[14:41] <justtesting> hello everybody. using lubuntu 18.10, from europe.
[14:42] <justtesting> just trying this out but a bit surprised Quassel IRC that comes defaultly with lubuntu does not have a list of servers
[14:52] <justtesting> woops i found the list.
 Hello. When I finish the installation of lubuntu 18.01 and restart, lubuntu tells me to remove the installation medium and press Enter. When I do that, system crashes and installation doesnt complete.
[15:48] <justtesting> lubuntu 18.10
 Lubuntu 18.10. Yes
[15:49] <justtesting> if it is asking you to remove the installation medium the installation is already complete
[15:49] <justtesting> it only tells you to remove the installation medium after the installation (it should not do so when you restart)
 When I press enter after removing the medium, my laptop doesnt boot up to lubuntu
[15:50] <justtesting> did you try restarting the laptop without the installation medium ?
 Yes and i get a black screen with what looks like dos text saying something failed
[15:51] <justtesting> what does it say exactly
[15:51] <justtesting> and what are the specs of your computer
[15:51] <justtesting> and what did you install from -- cd or usb.
 Usb
[15:52] <justtesting> what brand is your computer
 Lenevo v330
 Lenovo
[15:52] <justtesting> did you disable secure boot from your bios ?
 Yes
[15:52] <justtesting> secure boot should still be okay but there is another setting that needs to be disabled
 What else needs to be disabled?
[15:53] <justtesting> is your boot legacy or uefi
 Legacy
[15:53] <justtesting> do you have uefi option ?
 Yes
[15:53] <justtesting> turn on uefi
[15:54] <justtesting> and i think disable intel hardware acceleration in bios
[15:54] <justtesting> you can boot from the usb right ? no problems?
 Yes
[15:54] <justtesting> are you doing a complete install on the hardrive, or alongside windows
 Where in bios is intel hardware acceleration?
 Hardrive
[15:55] <justtesting> something like that, i'm not sure
[15:56] <justtesting> what's the error message
[15:59] <justtesting> and the brand of the usb
[15:59] <justtesting> i need to go now , but it shows your laptop should work
 What does PXE Boot to LAN mean?
[15:59] <justtesting> try a sandisk usb  or a different distro of ubuntu like xubuntu or ubuntu itself.
[15:59] <justtesting> no idea but lan is your local area network, you don't need it i think
 Okay
[16:00] <justtesting> The Preboot Execution Environment (PXE) is an industry standard client/server interface that allows networked computers that are not yet loaded with an operating system to be configured and boot remotely by an administrator.
[16:00] <justtesting> meaning you can boot your computer over a network connection - ie it doesn't need an operating system and can boot over a connection to another computer
 Okay
[16:00] <justtesting> keep trying
[16:00] <justtesting> bye
[16:01] <justtesting> https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201804-26198/
 Hello. Since I could not log in https://translate.lubuntu.me, I tried to redefine the password but I did not receive any confirmation emails. I then tried to create a new account with the same email, but I also did not receive any confirmation email.
[16:09] <justtesting> JyotiGomes and Lee are the same person.  what is Lubot ?
[16:09] <justtesting> i mean, are they the same person ?
 No
[16:10] <justtesting> so what is lubot ?
[16:10] <justtesting> Lee, it is helpful if you can actually state the error you get when you try to boot. keep trying and experimenting. if irc doesn't give yuo help try ubuntu forums or stackexchange ubuntu forums. gd luck
 Im trying to reproduce the error right now
 I removed the installation medium, pressed Enter and it now actually works. Now if I turn off my laptop and turn it on again later, should it boot up to lubuntu correctly?
 @justtesting [<justtesting> so what is lubot ?], A bit which comunicates telegram with irc channel. For instance, in writing this on telegram
[18:57] <justtesting> LEE - did it work ?
[18:57] <justtesting> is everyone just idle/afk on here ?
[18:57] <justtesting> is anyone using QUASSEL IRC ?
[18:59] <justtesting> i don't understand why lubuntu packages quassel when it seems so difficult to use
[18:59] <justtesting> i can't even seem to bookmark this room
[19:08] <kc2bez> justtesting: quassel should connect you to any channels you set in the networks automatically.  We have a screenshot in the manual that may help. https://manual.lubuntu.me/2/2.1/2.1.3/Quassel_IRC.html
[19:38] <justtesting> thankyo'u
 You are welcome, please let us know if you have any other questions.
[19:39] <justtesting> how can lubot also have different names, what is lubot pls
 lubot is our bridge to telegram, sorry for the confusion.
[19:40] <justtesting> got it
 I am currently on telegram, I was on IRC before.
[20:05] <justtesting> got it
[20:05] <justtesting> so there are no bookmarks on quassel ?
[20:14] <kc2bez> If you disconnect from a channel it stays in the list so it remembers the channels you have joined. I haven't used any other IRC clients so I don't really have a reference, sorry.
[20:40] <jonas_> Hello
[20:40] <diogenes_> hi
[20:41] <Guest75223> How can i change the lockscreen wallpaper?
[20:42] <justtesting> okay thankyou
 Fwd from RyuKurisu: Hey everyone, does anyone know if there's an autorotate option in LXQt?
 Fwd from RyuKurisu: The main screen of my laptab (convertible laptop with touchscreen)
 Fwd from RyuKurisu: I know there exists an autorotate option in Ubuntu proper
[23:42] <Nweve102> Hi. I am looking for a lightweight version for my old laptop, what would be recommended? I installed Ubuntu with Mate, and I have tried the desktop of Xfce4 but I've heard that Xubuntu is not that lightweigth. So what about Lubuntu? I just instaled the desktop Lxde to check it out, and what would be the difference between LxQt?
[23:53] <wxl> Nweve102: just pick one channel. you don't need to blast your question all over the place.


[00:11] <tsimonq2> https://twitter.com/DavidL_Greene/status/1549556448950194177
[00:11] <tsimonq2> What do we need to improve in nm-tray?
[00:34]  * Eickmeyer[m] might have to fork the lubuntu grub theme to replace the now-outdated ubuntustudio grub theme
 a lot.  :P (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> What do we need to improve in nm-tray?)
[09:31] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, doing the last little bit of preliminary testing and prepping the SRU paperwork for Calamares. I'll be running it by y'all before applying it to the bug report. Si
[09:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer) Eickmeyer ^
[10:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Is there any way to make an SRU that fixes two bugs in one blow? Once I'm done with Calamares, I want to tackle calamares-settings-ubuntu since it's harboring two Jammy bugs - one with LibreOffice localization and one with BTRFS installation. It would be awfully convenient to SRU it too so that our Calamares testing can also simultaneously test those two fixes, and then we can get everything fixed in
[10:15] <arraybolt3[m]> 22.04.1, but I don't see where the SRU process makes room for fixing two bugs with one update.
[11:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer) Eickmeyer https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3GzN2wGkFv/ SRU paperwork draft, lmk what you think
[11:36] <arraybolt3[m]>  * OK, doing the last little bit of preliminary testing and prepping the SRU paperwork for Calamares. I'll be running it by y'all before applying it to the bug report.
[13:04] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- New source: lubuntu-installer-prompt (kinetic-proposed/primary) [0.2.0-0ubuntu1]
[14:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: So, the other bug report regarding the LibreOffice localization would have to be converted into an SRU per the procedure and then the changelog in the cala upload would have to reference it as well.
[17:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Well, true, but I'm talking about both the BTRFS install bug and the LibreOffice localization bug - they both affect calamares-settings-ubuntu but are different bugs - how would one get both of them SRU'd at the same time?
[17:49] <arraybolt3[m]> (So we'd be talking about three SRUs at once.)
[17:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> The changelog for calamares-settings-ubuntu could point to the different SRU bugs. Example:
[17:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> * Fix for btrfs installation bug (LP: #123456)
[17:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> * Fix for Libreoffice localization bug  (LP: #789123)
[17:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> shuddup ubot93
[17:52] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL
[17:52] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that makes sense.
[17:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (Of course, having that many SRUs at once might be a danger - if any one failed all of them would potentially be toast.)
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> (So we might need to just let LibreOffice slide - if there's any one of the three that would be likely to cause problems, that's the one I would think would have the highest likelyhood of blowing up.)
[19:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd say that one might be a little late for 22.04.1. Right now, Cala is the absolute highest priority.
[19:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: True. I think we should get in the BTRFS installation bug fix, though - that bug went in the release notes.
[19:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> I don't have a problem with that one per se, but I have watched BTRFS literally destroy an SSD, so I don't care about that one as much.
[19:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Yikes, destroy, like physically?
[19:21]  * arraybolt3[m] was thinking of switching to BTRFS :(
[21:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, the darn thing fried.
[21:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Good grief. How...??? Everything I know of computers would make me think that would be impossible unless it resulted in constant write access to the drive, but weird things happen I guess.
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: So, here's a question for you. Where on earth does the SRU'd package end up when it's up for review? The Wiki doesn't make it obvious (or I'm missing something). Is it just the debdiff, but people with archive upload privileges also use dput and not just the debdiff?
[21:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: It goes into the Unapproved queue.
[21:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Right, but I mean, the instructions in the paperwork I'm writing say "Install the package from this SRU" as part of the Test Plan section, and I'm thinking, "But wait... how do they get the package in the first place?"
[21:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Like, if it's a debdiff, do they put it in the unapproved queue?
[21:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's a dput, and launchpad automatically generates the debdiff. However, creating a debdiff is a little more complicated.
[21:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> I mean, manually.
[21:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Thus why I provide the packaging to someone else who can do the dput, I guess.
[21:31] <arraybolt3[m]> At any rate, the Calamares SRU and paperwork is finished and up for review, and the calamares-settings-ubuntu SRU and paperwork is finished, but I've not yet put it up for review.
[21:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> One of my predecessors had this nice writeup that might give you a clue: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioPackageMaintenance#Making_Changes_to_a_Package
[21:31] <arraybolt3[m]> (I only just fixed the BTRFS install bug in the second SRU.)
 "Good grief. How...??? Everything..." <- But yes. Because of CoW, it writes more frequently, and some SSDs just don't like that.
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh great.
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> My SSD should hopefully be OK since it has 800 TBW of life on it, but I'll keep that in mind for weaker SSDs.
[21:33] <arraybolt3[m]> (Er, it had 800 TBW when I bought it, it's been used pretty heavily and has less than that now.)


[00:22] <doctormon> Does anyone know what license the developer-app-showdown videos are under? mhall119?
[00:23] <mhall119> doctormon: the hangout recordings?
[00:24] <mhall119> you know, we never even talked about it
[00:24] <mhall119> what's the best license to use for these, CC-BY 3?
[00:25] <mhall119> or CC-BY-SA?
[00:27] <doctormon> SA is typical, make sure content stays in the public
[00:27] <doctormon> commons
[00:29] <mhall119> jono: ^^ thoughts?
[00:29] <mhall119> I'm happy either with or without -SA
[00:29] <mhall119> doctormon: is there a specific use you have in mind for them?
[00:30] <mhall119> or is this a "just in case someone asks" kind of question?
[00:30] <doctormon> mhall119: yes
[00:31] <mhall119> gonna tell me what it is :)
[00:32] <cjohnston> no
[00:32] <cjohnston> its secret
[00:32] <mhall119> lol
[00:32] <cjohnston> :-P
[00:42] <doctormon> mhall119: I could, but all my plans seem to die the minute I tell anyone.
[00:47] <paultag> doctormon: nice new nick :)
[00:48] <doctormon> paultag: I've only had it for 5 months :-P
[00:48] <paultag> doctormon? :)
[00:48] <rrnwexec> it has been way too long since i've been here. greetings everybody.
[00:48] <doctormon> yep, on freenodde
[00:48] <paultag> doctormon: sweet.
[00:51] <mhall119> hey rrnwexec, where have you been hiding?
[00:51] <rrnwexec> the day job has consumed me
[00:51] <rrnwexec> today i've come up for air. must fix that :)
[00:51] <rrnwexec> nice to see you Michael
[00:52] <mhall119> and you too
[00:53] <rrnwexec> i feel bad that i missed all the fun in Oakland... i hope you had a good time there
[00:53] <mhall119> we did miss you there
[00:54] <rrnwexec> next one for sure ;)
[00:54]  * mhall119 will hold you to it
[00:54] <mhall119> :)
[00:56] <mhall119> hope the day job will give you a bit of time to get back into things around here
[00:56] <rrnwexec> summer slows down, so i think so!
[01:06] <paultag> anyone want to see what'll be the new debian bootsplash?
[01:19] <mhall119> paultag: sure
[01:19] <mhall119> paultag: they're letting you design the bootsplash now too?
[01:19] <paultag> mhall119: http://i.imgur.com/uU8yB.png
[01:19] <paultag> mhall119: I'm in charge of re-branding Debian at the moment
[01:20] <paultag> since no one else did it.
[01:20] <mhall119> nice progress dots, they look familiar....
[01:20] <paultag> mhall119: highvoltage did it, and we both have a bit of an Ubuntu bent
[01:21] <paultag> mhall119: the mockup can be found @ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/Joy
[01:23] <mhall119> paultag: I like em
[01:23] <paultag> thanks
[11:17] <hobgoblin> jcastro: if you are about ... what's the askubuntu position on blog spam?
[13:40] <mhall119> paultag: http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/vgn81/app_ideasubmission_legislation_tracker/
[17:50] <jcastro> mhall119: 11 new questions today already in app dev
[17:50] <jcastro> the power of weekend hacking!
[19:27] <s-fox> Hey everyone :-)
[21:03] <s-fox> bye community
[21:14] <pleia2> so, at 23:00 UTC (in a little over 2 hours: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20120623T23 ) we're going to do a sort of random Community Roundtable session in #ubuntu-classroom for people to ask questions and have people talk about some of what they do
[21:14] <pleia2> invite open to anyone here who wants to join :)
[21:15] <pleia2> it's part of User Days (secretly because we couldn't fill that last slot, so we're trying an experiment)
[21:21] <jcastro> pleia2: I'll probably be around
[21:21] <pleia2> cool, I'll ping again when we're ready to roll
[22:55] <pleia2> ok, we're starting the community roundtable in 5 minutes over in #ubuntu-classroom
[23:01] <pleia2> and starting now :)
[23:25] <paultag> mhall119: dude, awesome
[23:25] <paultag> mhall119: thank you
[23:30] <paultag> mhall119: http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/vgn81/app_ideasubmission_legislation_tracker/c54ogkp
[23:30] <paultag> mhall119: if you feel the urge to upgoat