[04:45] <nalioth> alright, time for work
[04:45] <hpnadig> chrissturm: any pointers regarding that?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> amitabh: yeah, Ubuntu does that to people :)
[04:45] <amitabh> nothing. Just opened firefox, saw that there is a channel called ubuntu on FreeNode and came here.
[04:45] <Seveas> hahaha
[04:46] <amitabh> haha, ok. Looks like a cool distribution.
[04:46] <nalioth_wrkn> amitabh just wanted to share his excitement
[04:46] <thoreauputic> amitabh: ah, I see - well that's great :)
[04:46] <amitabh> :-)
[04:46] <Dj_AlTeK> hey nalioth
[04:47] <amitabh> thanks guys! so long.
[04:47] <Dj_AlTeK> cya amitabh
[04:47] <tripz__> hi.. i wanna run php5 in ubuntu.. is there any inofficial packages.. or what to do?
[04:47] <nalioth_wrkn> Dj_AlTeK: yes?
[04:47] <Dj_AlTeK> oh nothin just saying hi
[04:47] <Seveas> tripz__, there are instructions on the wiki
[04:47] <nalioth_wrkn> Dj_AlTeK: alrighty then, and happy birthday to ya
[04:48] <tripz__> thanks
[04:49] <thoreauputic> reka: we're so nice he can't drag himself away ;)
[04:49] <thoreauputic> modest too, of course...
[04:49] <nalioth_wrkn> reka: its cause you guys are so interesting (i watch screen as i get ready for work)
[04:50] <reka> thoreauputic: yes, but what percentage of us are?  statistics please. :)
[04:50] <cyberix> Is it hard to get Ubuntu run on Hurd?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> reka: exactly 78.99423 % of us are nice
[04:50] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:50] <cyberix> What is the biggest reason why it can't work by just apting the kernel and choosing it when booting
[04:51] <reka> :)
[04:51] <sewoyl> hi! is there any way to get ATI 3D hardware accelleration with xorg ?
[04:51] <Seveas> cyberix, Ubuntu is quite tuned to the Linux kernel...
[04:51] <nalioth_wrkn> cyberix: if you get ubuntu working on the Hurd, you will be an Iron Chef
[04:51] <jmjones> sewoyl: what video card?
[04:52] <sewoyl> jmjones, mobility 9700 (got it to work in ubuntu 4.10 with XFREE)
[04:52] <reka> sewoyl:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:53] <jmjones> sewoyl: check out the fglrx package
[04:53] <Choubaka> cyberix: yes.
[04:53] <reka> nalioth_wrkn: hopefully not the italian one ... how come he never gets to cook?
[04:53] <jmjones> sewoyl: xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:53] <Choubaka> cyberix: I would assume hurd doesn't run linux binaries :P
[04:53] <sewoyl> jmjones, sweet thanks !
[04:53] <nalioth_wrkn> reka: saw him cook ONCE
[04:53] <sewoyl> jmjones, sorry for not searching myself :(
[04:53] <Choubaka> cyberix: you'd have to port all the linux code to hurd and compile it.
[04:53] <nalioth_wrkn> ok guys, i'm walkin the dog and out the door
[04:53] <reka> missed it...did he win?
[04:54] <jmjones> sewoyl: np - you might want to check out that url that reka shot you.
[04:55] <sewoyl> reka thanks
[04:55] <sewoyl> I hant notices you were two differents guys :p
[04:55] <sewoyl> handt noticed*
[04:55] <sewoyl> lol hadnt
[04:57] <sewoyl> gotta reboot :)
[04:57] <paulfox> afternoon all
[04:58] <jamie_k> could anyone help me do a network install onto a laptop with no optical drive? i have a machine in the same room on the network running hoary...
[04:58] <paulfox> does anyone know how i can set up my webserver so that i can have an evolution calendar on there?
[04:59] <Seveaz> jamie_k, search the wiki
[04:59] <jamie_k> paulfox: i do know that webcalendar is compatible with evolution
[04:59] <Seveaz> there is a localnetworkinstall page
[04:59] <jamie_k> Seveaz: will do, thank you very much.
[04:59] <fetman> I need help with my DVI-D screen for xorg!
[04:59] <paulfox> webcalendar, i'll look it up. thanks jamie_k
[04:59] <jamie_k> Seveaz: does it sound do-able on the face of it?
[04:59] <jamie_k> paulfox: np
[04:59] <cyberix> So it would be better to install Debian GNU/Hurd instead of trying to make Ubuntu run on GNU/Hurd
[05:00] <Seveaz> jamie_k, yes :)
[05:00] <leeb`xdcc> i need to install ubuntu on a laptop without a cdrom drive. i only an external have a floppy drive. i found a how-to, but the howto says i need to copy the linux kernel and the ram drive to c:\boot. but the ram drive is 4,5mb, so it doesnt fit on a floppy. what can i do?
[05:00] <Seveaz> cyberix, Debian, definitely
[05:05] <leeb> cant anybody help me? :(
[05:05] <Howitzer> I was wondering
[05:05] <Howitzer> i like to play games
[05:05] <cbnz123> just ask, maybe some1 will
[05:06] <Howitzer> and, is it safe to install games from Universe and Multiverse from synaptic?
[05:06] <mjr> Howitzer, pretty much
[05:06] <Vjaz> Of course it is.
[05:06] <RLF> Hello, I recently installed Windows on my second partition. Lo and behold, GRUB disappeared. Ubuntu guide helped me restore GRUB, though. Now GRUB shows up fine, except when I added a new entry for windows (hda0, 1)--location of the windows partition is /dev/hda1, but GRUBs fails to load windows and prompts various parameters and GRUB afterwards, after I select windows. Any workaround to this? thanks.
[05:06] <Vjaz> Well, you might end up addicted or something.
[05:06] <Howitzer> lol
[05:06] <Howitzer> i'm addicted to bzflag :D
[05:07] <Howitzer> but ehh, how do you get your files on to synaptic thingy?
[05:07] <cbnz123> I think that u need to install first windows and then ubuntu
[05:07] <gpd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[05:07] <gpd>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[05:07] <fnoy> when i try to download flash player my firefox says "XML phrasing error: not well formed"
[05:08] <cbnz123> dont know why, but thats what a lot say
[05:08] <dedalus> hi i've a prob with fonts
[05:08] <RLF> damn, but i thought ubuntu guide mentioned otherwise
[05:08] <RLF> hmm
[05:08] <dedalus> i have too small fonts that i can't read
[05:08] <RLF> that's a lot of work to do
[05:08] <sewoyl> reka, thanks looks like it worked
[05:09] <RLF> so not solution, at all, as far as you know, cbnz123?
[05:09] <sewoyl> dedalus, you can go to the 'system' menu > 'preferences' > 'font'
[05:09] <reka> sewoyl: np
[05:09] <RLF> *no
[05:09] <cbnz123> no
[05:09] <RLF> ah. crap
[05:09] <thoreauputic> RLF: I think you'll find /dev/hda1 is (0,0) in grub-speak
[05:09] <selinium> Are there any 64bit users out there? I am considering installing it a work. Is is any better/quicker? Are there any issues unique to 64bit? Cheers :)
[05:09] <cbnz123> you can go ask in their forums to see what they say
[05:10] <fnoy> when i try to download flash player my fierfox says says "XML phrasing error: not well formed"
[05:10] <mjr> selinium, it works nice enough, issues have mostly to do with if you want to run proprietary 32-bit stuff
[05:10] <yuacht> selinium, i suggest u go with 32bits instead... 64bits is a bit faster but you get lots of problems with it that isn't solved yet
[05:10] <fnoy> whats wrong??
[05:11] <Howitzer> If you have a 64bit processor, you can only run 64bit progs smoothly? :/
[05:11] <Ahmet_S> hi all....i wanna ask something... is the l10n and i18n packages in ubuntu same with debian..Does ubuntu have Turkish l10n and i18n like debian
[05:11] <bob2> Howitzer: if you mean "amd64" instead of "64bit", no
[05:11] <selinium> yuacht mjr: does the 32bit install on a 64bit machine then? I am looking to run a development webserver on it.
[05:11] <Howitzer> oh oaky
[05:11] <gpd> RLF: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:11] <bob2> Howitzer: you can install the i386 port of ubuntu if you care about binary-only software
[05:11] <RLF> thoreauputic, i tried (0,0), but it loads Ubuntu instead
[05:11] <Seveaz> Ahmet_S, yes...
[05:11] <mjr> selinium, it does install
[05:12] <mjr> selinium, though, hmh, for a devel webserver I don't see much issues with the 64-bit version, but maybe you use some exotic stuff
[05:12] <thoreauputic> RLF: ah, Ok then you meant hda2 for windows, i guess ?
[05:12] <Howitzer> but is an AMD64 faster then a regular 32bit?, if so, why?, if not, what is the point then?
[05:12] <bob2> Howitzer: yes, it is
[05:12] <bob2> Howitzer: part of it is becase in 64-bit mode an amd64 has a lot more registers
[05:12] <Howitzer> oh
[05:13] <sewoyl> .... too hot here in Belgium .... ... ...
[05:13] <Howitzer> so i can do a lot more things at the same time?
[05:13] <Howitzer> lol
[05:13] <bob2> Howitzer: no
[05:13] <Howitzer> i live in Belgium as well
[05:13] <reka> sewoyl: it's freezing here. :)
[05:13] <Howitzer> Antwerp=@34c
[05:13] <sewoyl> hi Howitzer :)
[05:13] <RLF> thoreauputic, yeah, hda2 is windows. gpd, I'll check the link out, although i'm trying to recover windows after recovering ubuntu :P
[05:13] <sewoyl> Howitzer, ooh only 29 in my room!
[05:14] <selinium> mjr: no anything exotic... just the usual apache php mysql with a few mods like GD
[05:14] <Howitzer> lol sew
[05:14] <selinium> hi thoreauputic:  :)
[05:14] <Howitzer> sewoyl, with the pc, it's 35c here :'(
[05:14] <thoreauputic> selinium: greetings, selinium :)
[05:14] <sewoyl> Howitzer, cant wait till i get that 'fan plate' I bought for my laptop, its almost melting
[05:14] <Howitzer> lol
[05:14] <selinium> mjr yuacht: thanks for your advice!
[05:15] <Howitzer> oeh
[05:15] <Howitzer> damn
[05:15] <Howitzer> need to go
[05:15] <mjr> selinium, I wouldn't be wary of the 64-bit version then, but YMMV
[05:15] <Howitzer> Bye all!
[05:15] <mjr> sure
[05:15] <selinium> mjr: YMMV ? FLA's not my strongest point!
[05:16] <thoreauputic> selinium: Your Mileage May VAry
[05:16] <selinium> cheers thoreauputic LOL :)
[05:16] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 here know where i can get libicu28-dev?
[05:16] <phinnaeus> can someone help me find the file wkdev.sh? i am trying to set up lm sensors
[05:17] <bob2> phinnaeus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:17] <phinnaeus> that was easy
[05:17] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: why?
[05:17] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: and it's in ubuntu
[05:17] <selinium> mjr: I assume there are different repositories then? for 64bit...
[05:17] <Dj_AlTeK> bob2: im trying to compile wine
[05:17] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: wine is in ubuntu, too
[05:18] <phinnaeus> ohhh my bad
[05:18] <phinnaeus> it isnt wkdev it is mkdev.sh
[05:18] <bob2> you don't need to make device nodes
[05:18] <bob2> udev will do it for you when the lm_sensors modules are loaded
[05:18] <bob2> unless they're buggy
[05:18] <mjr> selinium, different architecture directory on the repositories, yes
[05:18] <mjr> selinium, should be quite transparent
[05:19] <mjr> selinium, of course, if you use some extra repos, they might not provide amd64
[05:19] <phinnaeus> i am following this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[05:19] <selinium> mjr: Thanks again for your help! :)
[05:20] <yuacht> selinium, np
[05:25] <Jimmothy> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:25] <fefe> what is the name for samba's autoconfig tool?
[05:25] <Jimmothy> apt-get seems to have become broken
[05:26] <slipjig> I've installed ssh-server, but I can't get into this box from others on the network.  I'm getting "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)".  Any clues as to what I should check?
[05:26] <bob2> Jimmothy: a) those packages don't work on ubuntu, b) "sudo apt-get update"
[05:27] <gpd> RFL: you need root (hd0,1) not (hda0,1) possibly
[05:27] <Jimmothy> when running sudo apt-get update it errors at the end and says i should apt-get update to fix
[05:28] <Jimmothy> so i'm kind of stuck
[05:28] <dan_> we al are
[05:28] <thoreauputic> Jimmothy: I think the nerim/marillat repos have changed the naming, but in any case you shouldn't use Marillat any more
[05:29] <Jimmothy> is there a file i can change to correct it?
[05:29] <eriepa> Is there anyway to download packages for Ubuntu on a windows machine and install them on linux machine via a cd?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> Jimmothy: just comment it out in /etc/apt/sources.list  - what packages do you need from MArillat? They are probably available elsewhere
[05:30] <justin> Jimmothy: W is for WARNING not ERROR
[05:30] <bob2> fefe: do you mean swat?
[05:30] <colmore> Hello, has anyone here had success setting up Ubuntu on a tablet PC with a Wacom digitizer?  I have a new Toshiba R10, and I'd love to get my Gimp on...
[05:31] <bob2> fefe: and leave #debian
[05:31] <fefe> bob2: ok..
[05:31] <fefe> bob2: any idea about the name?
[05:31] <bob2> 01:30:35           bob2 | fefe: do you mean swat?
[05:32] <fefe> bob2: no
[05:32] <bob2> I'd be surprised if the debian and ubuntu source packages differed very much
[05:32] <Jimmothy> as always, thank you :)
[05:32] <Dj_AlTeK> hey how do i get the config file for wine??
[05:32] <Dj_AlTeK> cuz i cant find it in ~/usr/bin
[05:33] <colmore> there's a separate config package for wine, did you download that?
[05:33] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: no config file is ever going to be in there
[05:33] <Dj_AlTeK> bob2: where is it gonna be then?
[05:33] <reka> Dj_AlTeK: it wouldn't be.  iirc /usr/bin holds executables
[05:33] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: /etc/
[05:33] <Dj_AlTeK> colmore: i used synaptic
[05:33] <bob2> assuming you installed the Ubuntu package
[05:33] <bob2> if you mean your user config, then ~/.wine/
[05:33] <Dj_AlTeK> bob2: i used synaptic to install wine
[05:33] <synd> thank god for lawyers
[05:34] <colmore> right, in synaptic there's a package called winesetuptk
[05:34] <colmore> menu based config for wine, did you get that as well?
[05:35] <Dj_AlTeK> colmore: i didnt see it when i searched wine
[05:35] <Dj_AlTeK> colmore: dont i have to add a repository for that??
[05:35] <reka> synd: i'm intrigued.  have you been arrested? :-)
[05:35] <colmore> possibly, i've turned on all repositories on mine
[05:36] <synd> reka, i was about a month ago. spend the night in jail. class D felony charge and a misdemeanor
[05:36] <colmore> actually bob2 was right, go to your home directory cd .wine
[05:36] <Dj_AlTeK> colemore: should i download this winesetuptk file: winesetuptk_0.7-1.1_i386.deb
[05:36] <synd> today was my final court hearing
[05:37] <odyssey> can anyone suggest and easy to podcast client that has a gui?
[05:37] <colmore> there's a file in that hidden folder called "config"
[05:37] <reka> synd: mind me askng what you did?
[05:38] <Dj_AlTeK> colmore: should i download this winesetuptk file: winesetuptk_0.7-1.1_i386.deb
[05:38] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: stop thinking in terms of downloads of individual files: if you  can't find it in synaptic you need extra repositories
[05:39] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: what does ` apt-cache search winesetuptk ` say?
[05:39] <Dj_AlTeK> should i run that as root?
[05:39] <thoreauputic> no
[05:39] <colmore> yeah, use synaptic, things get hectic if you don't
[05:39] <Dj_AlTeK> i mean in root terminal or in user terminal thoreauputic
[05:40] <colmore> ok so sorry to pester, but again, has anyone had any luck getting a tablet PC with a Wacom digitizer to work with ubuntu?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: normal or root, doesn't matter - it is only a search
[05:40] <colmore> (yes i've read through the linuxwacom howtos)
[05:40] <TokenBad> if used wine or cedega to install a game...how do you uninstall it?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: BTW it's in universe
[05:40] <bob2> colmore: better off asking on the mailing list
[05:40] <Dj_AlTeK> thoreauputic: i dont get any response when i search
[05:41] <colmore> heh, i have, i'm just impatient
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: then you need to add repositories
[05:41] <din> how do i disable gdm in ubuntu?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[05:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:41] <synd> reka, crim possession of a forged instrument (fake ID), and driving on a suspended license
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: ubotu tells you above
[05:41] <Dj_AlTeK> i mean i already know how to add repositories, i just need to know which ones
[05:41] <colmore> ok, well, more specifically, is anyone familiar with the setserial command?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: universe in this case
[05:42] <Dj_AlTeK> hey there Seveas
[05:43] <din> does no one know? :)
[05:43] <Seveas> din, wouldn't know, what's the problem :)
[05:44] <reka> synd: ah, sorry.  i'm a nosy bastard aren't i? :-)
[05:44] <din> i want to disable gdm on boot
[05:44] <eriepa> Is it easy to compile packages on Ubuntu?
[05:44] <Seveas> din, update-rc.d -f remove gdm
[05:44] <din> it's terribly annoying
[05:44] <Seveas> eriepa, yes
[05:44] <synd> reka, haha its ok. its public info anyway : )
[05:44] <colmore> Dj_AlTeK, could it hurt to add them all?
[05:44] <lcdd> din: change the default runlevel
[05:44] <din> Seveas, cool, thx
[05:45] <Seveas> din, update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[05:45] <Seveas> my mistake :)
[05:45] <din> yeah, i got it
[05:46] <thoreauputic> lcdd: no on debian distros you have only 1 and 2 as runlevels to play with so changing the runlevel isn't the answer here
[05:46] <din> i installed ubuntu on my desktop at work, and i must say, I love it.
[05:46] <thoreauputic> lcdd: graphical runlevel is 2
[05:46] <Seveas> eriepa, please ask before starting a private conversation... And asking in the channel is generally better since there are more smart people in here ...
[05:47] <lcdd> thoreauputic: why is that?
[05:47] <eriepa> Sorry there Seveas. Your the only one in 7 channels who has answered a single question.
[05:47] <thoreauputic> lcdd: I didn't design the distro so I don't know :)
[05:48] <Seveas> lol :)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> lcdd: but that's how it works
[05:48] <Seveas> eriepa, well you can easily download packages on another machine and transfer them to your ubuntu machine...
[05:48] <thoreauputic> lcdd: type `runlevel` and you'll see it's 2
[05:49] <A[D] minS> king tk build dir... using tk library in /usr/lib
[05:49] <A[D] minS> ./configure: line 3156: /usr/lib/tkConfig.sh: No such file or directory
[05:49] <A[D] minS> checking*
[05:49] <eriepa> How can I do that Seveas?
[05:50] <Seveas> eriepa, you can download them via packages.ubuntu.com
[05:50] <eriepa> really?
[05:50] <Seveas> A[D] minS, install tcl8.4-dev
[05:50] <Seveas> or better: tk-dev
[05:51] <A[D] minS> tcl8.4-dev is already the newest version.
[05:51] <A[D] minS> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded
[05:51] <Seveas> tk-dev then :)
[05:51] <A[D] minS> ok tk-dev
[05:51] <A[D] minS> thx Seveas
[05:51] <A[D] minS> :)
[05:52] <TokenBad> if used wine or cedega to install a game...how do you uninstall it?
[05:54] <_dw> Hi. How can I tell xorg to use "Generic", instead of its attempt to use the vendor...
[05:55] <Seveas> set it correctly in xorg.conf ..?
[05:55] <rancorus> I am trying to use gtkpod-aac but everytime I want to write a song in the mp4 format it asks me to compile the mp4v2 library. Is there any way I can do that ?
[05:56] <_dw> Seveas: if I just replace "SyncMaster" (that's what it has), with "Generic", x doesn't start up
[05:56] <Seveas> rancorus: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[05:56] <Seveas> _dw, hmm, then you must remove the SyncMaster specific entries too
[05:56] <Seveas> maybe dplg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can help you there
[05:56] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure
[05:57] <_dw> Ah, of course. Thanks.
[05:57] <_dw> will do now
[05:58] <Dj_AlTeK> thoreauputic: i updated my repositories
[05:58] <_dw> brb
[05:58] <Dj_AlTeK> should i download winesetuptk now?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: have you done ` sudo apt-get update ` ?
[05:59] <rancorus> Seveas: Those pages gives you info on how to create aac formats but nothing on the library
[05:59] <cyberix> If I connect to IPv6 services trought freenet6
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: if so, try installing winesetuptk, yes
[05:59] <Dj_AlTeK> thoreauputic: yea and i searched for winesetuptk in synaptic i find it
[05:59] <cyberix> Should I setup my server to use sit interface?
[05:59] <bob2> cyberix: "server"?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: OK you should be good to go then
[06:00] <Dj_AlTeK> thoreauputic: should i use terminal or synaptic to download winesetuptk?
[06:00] <eriepa> Seveas Thank you.
[06:00] <eriepa> Seveas: That is exactly what I was looking for.
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: whatever you prefer
[06:00] <Dj_AlTeK> ok
[06:00] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx thoreauputic
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: synaptic is just the front-end for apt
[06:01] <Dj_AlTeK> ok
[06:01] <Dj_AlTeK> i have it installed now
[06:01] <Dj_AlTeK> now what do i do?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> cool
[06:01] <cyberix> bob2: Gnunet node in this case
[06:02] <slashzul> how do you set a static ip and hostname on a new ubuntu install
[06:02] <cyberix> bob2: One that would want to communicate trought IPv6
[06:02] <reka> thoreauputic: how long have you been using ubuntu/debian-based distros
[06:02] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: heh - run it? I haven't used it but probably wineset <tab> will complete to the commnad
[06:02] <bob2> cyberix: just make it listen on all interfaces, I'd say
[06:02] <thoreauputic> reka: about 2 and a half years
[06:02] <bob2> slashzul: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[06:02] <bob2> slashzul: hostname is harder, but mostly /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[06:02] <thoreauputic> reka: I'm no guru
[06:03] <thoreauputic> reka: bob2 is a guru ;) I'm just an obsessive luser ;)
[06:03] <serj> is reiser the fastest fs?
[06:04] <Ride> hey all
[06:04] <reka> thoreauputic: ah i see.  it was just that "*thoreauputic is used to apt now" sounded like you had only recently "switched" to apt from synaptic
[06:04] <reka> not that synaptic isn't useful :-)
[06:04] <colmore> hey, new question, any way to get wine to stop treating my mouse like a jittery poorly configured joystick?
[06:04] <Dj_AlTeK> hey thoreauputic should i use managed, unmanaged or desktop for wine?
[06:05] <thoreauputic> reka: no, I started with apt, and synaptic is actually harder for me
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: I know nothing about wine, sorry
[06:05] <thoreauputic> well, not the software kind, anyway...
[06:05] <bluefoxicy> htf does init work
[06:05] <Dj_AlTeK> ok
[06:05] <bluefoxicy> it sends all processes term, kill
[06:05] <bluefoxicy> then starts telling processes to shut down
[06:06] <bluefoxicy> aren't they all shut down after getting term/kill?
[06:08] <chinat> shuang
[06:08] <Dj_AlTeK> hey does anyone know how to use winetools?
[06:09] <joachim> hi
[06:09] <chinat> hi
[06:09] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK, apt-get install wine
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> greetings everyone
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> question for all
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> how do I get the matrix screensaver working
[06:09] <Dj_AlTeK> chinat: i already have wine installed
[06:09] <chinat> wine <program you want to run>
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> only a few handful work
[06:09] <joachim> I've found a package that is in the wrong section of the Ubuntu repo -- what's the right thing to do? file a bug in ubuntu?
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> but not all
[06:10] <krod> # ls /etc/login.conf
[06:10] <krod> ls: /etc/login.conf: No such file or directory
[06:10] <krod> whoops wrong room.
[06:10] <reka> Nightcr8w: define "won't work".
[06:10] <zooko> Greetings, People of #ubuntu!  I have recently switched back from firefox to galeon, and now I am wondering how to get all my plugins connected again.  xpdf, xmms, etc.
[06:10] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK, if you want a GUI plz install winex
[06:11] <Nightcr8w> reka: In gnome - I can select several screensavers to work and they do but there are a few who do not have a preview and gives you only a blank screen when running
[06:11] <Dj_AlTeK> chinat: apt-get install winex?
[06:11] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK,  yes
[06:11] <Ahmet_S> hi.. i wanna ask:what are the real differences between debian sid and ubuntu?Real differences i mean.. except community.. tools?others?
[06:12] <reka> Nightcr8w: most of those take a snapshot of your current desktop iirc.  you need to enable "grab desktop images" in the advanced section.
[06:12] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK, why not do a "apt-cache search XXX" before you install ?
[06:12] <Dj_AlTeK> and one last question, if i were to install winex would it uninstall wine?
[06:12] <Nightcr8w> reka: gotcha..let me try that out and thanks
[06:12] <Dj_AlTeK> ah forgot about that cmd chinat
[06:13] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK, apt-cache search wine -n        will list program with name include "wine"
[06:13] <mjr> Ahmet_S, ubuntu has a lesser amount of fully supported packages and architectures, but there's some newer packages, especially desktop-related, and fine tuning
[06:13] <EiGHTBALLx> hi
[06:13] <reka> :)
[06:14] <EiGHTBALLx> how do install all dev packages (make gcc g++ etc) into ubuntu at once?
[06:14] <reka> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:14] <emilio> /say $ip
[06:14] <EiGHTBALLx> thank you very much ;-)
[06:15] <thoreauputic> reka: beat me that time ;)
[06:15] <EiGHTBALLx> its asking for a password!
[06:15] <reka> thoreauputic: you're easy. it's seveas you have to watch out for. :-)
[06:15] <EiGHTBALLx> i dont know one
[06:15] <Dj_FlyBy[M] > im lovin this new Ubuntu
[06:15] <thoreauputic> reka: hehe
[06:15] <Ahmet_S> mjr, i need net answers.. Newer packages you said? Newer than sid? Fine tuning? Give examples
[06:15] <zooko> Hrm.  Maybe I should follow the instruction for how to install plugins for Mozilla/Firefox?
[06:16] <zooko> xmms and xpdf Just Worked with firefox.  What do I do to make them work with galeon?  Hm...
[06:16] <Ahmet_S> mjr: of course: what more ? tools...
[06:16] <EiGHTBALLx> sorry... it works now!
[06:17] <reka> zooko: maybe something with preferences?  afaik xpdf and xmms don't have browser plugins.  i've always set them up to do auto-open when a mp3 or pdf file is clicked on.
[06:18] <zooko> Oh.  That's my problem.  I'm saying "plugin" when what I really want is the old "handle this file type with this executable" configuration.
[06:18] <Ahmet_S> , i need net answers.. Newer packages you said? Newer than sid? Fine tuning? Give examples
[06:19] <zooko> reka: How do you tell galeon to use xmms to handle .ogg files?
[06:19] <zooko> Cool!  In the meantime I accidentally got mozplugger to work.
[06:19] <zooko> But that still doesn't help with .oggs.
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: everyone in here needs answers - some  people even wait for them
[06:19] <joachim> how do I make nautilus refresh to find new scripts?
[06:20] <reka> zooko: i actually reckons you should set it up by selecting an ogg file in nautilus and then do right-click->properties->open with.  then choose xmms as default.  that should do it.
[06:20] <tyan> joachim,  killall nautilus and it will restart automatic
[06:20] <joachim> thx
[06:21] <A[D] minS> what i have to install to load TkCximage ?
[06:21] <Dj_AlTeK> hey i installed wine but now it says wine: command not found
[06:21] <Ahmet_S> thoreauputic:me too. Because i will choose ubuntu or debian. i was formerly a debian user and ubuntu was suggested to me. But i need the differences between them
[06:21] <zooko> reka: Thanks for the suggestion.  Since I don't use nautilus, though, I'll have to figure out what it does under the hood when you do that...
[06:21] <blake__> hellow can someone help me i am haveing trouble with a reposotory loging in that ubuntu's web site gave me
[06:21] <reka> zooko: you're using gnome though right?
[06:21] <zooko> reka: Well, not really.
[06:22] <zooko> I'm using galeon, but my "desktop" is ratpoison, bash, xemacs...
[06:22] <a2ps> in your opinion what is better for video playing? videolan or mplayer? i want a player that supports the maximum types of codecs and containers, windows media video, quicktime, H.264, dvd, xvid, divx, etc
[06:22] <Davey> Galeon crashes for me everytime I try to open up the preferences window :/
[06:22] <zooko> I figure that properties->open with. thing must edit a text config file somewhere...
[06:22] <blake__> i added the reposotory but one of them sais log in failed
[06:22] <zooko> Davey: I'm using galeon right now and I can open the preferences window.
[06:22] <zooko> I'm using galeon from breezy.
[06:23] <blake__> and the other one logsin
[06:23] <zooko> a2ps: I like mplayer.  Haven't tried videolan.
[06:23] <blake__> i got the adress from ubuntu
[06:23] <a2ps> does mplayer support H.264 ?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: one difference is the 6 month release cycle
[06:23] <spiderworm> hey all, in text editors in ubuntu/gnome, when i select multiple lines and press tab, i expect that it would tab out all the lines, but instead it replaces the line with a tab.  i cant find an option in any of the editors im using, and am wondering if maybe there's a global option somewhere to make it so that it would tab out the lines in all editors...
[06:23] <reka> zooko: i'll leave it to you.  my knowledge ends at that nautilus step. :)
[06:24] <zooko> reka: okay, thanks.  :-/
[06:24] <Nightcr8w> thanks for the help reka
[06:24] <Nightcr8w> later
[06:24] <reka> Nightcr8w: did it work?
[06:24] <zooko> a2ps: I don't know about H.264, but I have the impression that mplayer supports all possible formats.
[06:24] <zooko> I'll get googling for mplayer h.264 will tell you...
[06:24] <Nightcr8w> reka: that was one part
[06:24] <Nightcr8w> reka: I also had to run "http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[06:25] <Ahmet_S> thoreauputic:well... if i use sid.. there is no newer release.. so no need of releases.. apt-get dist upgrade rulez! what more can you tell about ubuntu
[06:25] <Nightcr8w> opps
[06:25] <Seveas> spiderworm, wy would you expect this behaviour?
[06:25] <Nightcr8w> reka: I also had to change my driver from nv to nvidia
[06:25] <Nightcr8w> and it got it working
[06:25] <Seveas> no editor that I know does this...
[06:25] <reka> spiderworm: what do you expect when you select lines and press a character.  the option to auto-tab is usually in an editor's preferences
[06:25] <spiderworm> Seveas: are you joking me?  ever used an html editor?
[06:25] <Seveas> spiderworm, several..
[06:25] <spiderworm> Seveas: than im surprised you would ask me that
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: if you are happy with Debian, stick with it - I used it for 2 years and it's a great distro
[06:25] <Seveas> on linux,mac and windows..
[06:26] <spiderworm> windows, and kde
[06:26] <joachim> ok, I've put some scripts in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts and I've refreshed Nautilus, but I still don't see the scripts menu. what am I doing wrong?
[06:26] <reka> Nightcr8w: ah i see.  good work.
[06:26] <Seveas> If you select text and hit a random character, all editors will replace the selected text with the character...
[06:26] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: It isn't a competition - you're welcome to use either :)
[06:26] <litzlair> taczh
[06:26] <joachim> oh hang on
[06:26] <joachim> maybe they're not executable
[06:26] <spiderworm> but regardless, i need the functionality.  gedit doesnt have the option, bluefish doesnt, screem doesnt and wont save files anyways for some reason...
[06:27] <spiderworm> it's really slowing me down
[06:27] <Seveas> spiderworm, insert the tabs at the correct time: when you write the line
[06:27] <justin> spiderworm: what does "tab out all the lines" even MEAN in the first place?
[06:27] <Seveas> auto-indent is an option in most editors
[06:27] <Seveas> justin, I assume insert tabs at the beginning...
[06:28] <peterlybert> hi
[06:28] <Seveas> hello
[06:28] <Seveas> that was a short visit :D
[06:28] <joachim> there's no way to rename a file by just clicking the name is there>
[06:28] <spiderworm> Seveas: you sound like an idiot.  what if i'm not the person that created the files in the first place.  what if the client needs something changed and i have to enclose a large chunk of code in another set of tabs.
[06:29] <Seveas> joachim, right click -> rename
[06:29] <joachim> yeah, got that
[06:29] <spiderworm> Seveas: if the option doesnt exist, just say it doesnt exist
[06:29] <spiderworm> not hard
[06:29] <joachim> I meant just by clicking the name, like on other GUIs
[06:29] <Seveas> spiderworm, don't just insult people
[06:29] <spiderworm> Seveas: back at ya
[06:29] <iratsu_> gtkpod-aac should be able to import m4a files, right?
[06:30] <chrissturm> hmm, how can i downgrade a package?
[06:30] <Seveas> chrissturm, aptitude install packagename=version
[06:32] <nibs> hi
[06:32] <nibs> i'm new with ubuntu
[06:32] <nibs> i have an AMD64
[06:32] <nibs> must i install 64bit version or x86?
[06:32] <lcdd> nibs: both work
[06:34] <nibs> i've read that 64bits has less packages than x86
[06:34] <zooko> nibs: I'm happy with 64 bit Ubuntu.
[06:34] <bob2> that's not really true
[06:34] <zooko> The only limitations I encounter are either non-free packages (which I can work-around by installing 32-bit libs) or specialty things like valgrind.
[06:34] <bob2> if you don't care about binary junk, you're fine
[06:35] <nibs> do you use eclipse/apache2/mysql/php5?
[06:35] <bob2> oh, and valgrind
[06:35] <bob2> php5 isn't in ubuntu anyway
[06:35] <zooko> nibs: yes eclipse, apache2, mysql all work fine
[06:35] <nibs> ok
[06:35] <zooko> haven't actually used mysql though.
[06:36] <nibs> and about repositories
[06:36] <nibs> i will only need standard?
[06:37] <nibs> and about flash players?
[06:37] <zooko> nibs: not sure about flash players.
[06:37] <bob2> if you need binary junk, use i386
[06:37] <bob2> that includes the non-free flash plugin
[06:37] <zooko> Okay, I've figured out that what I want is *not* "plugins" but "helper applications".  Can anyone tell me how to configure helper applications in galeon?
[06:38] <chrissturm> anyone using the pango 1.9 packages with breezy?
[06:39] <nibs> ok, thanks
[06:40] <Dj_AlTeK> hey how can i get .dll's that ive downloaded in .zip into a folder where i dont have permission to write to?
[06:40] <reka> chrissturm: if you're experiencing problems, i'd ask if you've read the topic yet.
[06:41] <Chetic> Is there an Ubuntu package for effectv? I'm in Windows at the moment..
[06:41] <iratsu_> gtkpod-aac should be able to import m4a files, right?
[06:41] <reka> Chetic: yep
[06:41] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: sudo cp sourcefile destination/directory/
[06:41] <justin> Chetic: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:42] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: cd /usr/lib/win32 ; sudo unzip /path/to/w32codecs.zip
[06:42] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx thoreauputic
[06:42] <Chetic> reka, Really? :D That's extremly awesome, thanks
[06:42] <Chetic> justin, oh I wasn't aware of that, thanks
[06:42] <zooko> Ah, here is the thread for me. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6908516&forum_id=6199
[06:42] <chrissturm> reka: thx
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: after you copy them you can delete the sourcefile, of course
[06:42] <lcdd> is it possible to use the non-free flashplugin on amd64 if i recompile web browser(s) for 32bit arch?
[06:43] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: you could have used the mv command actually, sorry about that
[06:44] <bob2> lcdd: that's not how it works
[06:44] <bob2> lcdd: you can make an ubuntu i386 chroot and just install and run packages normally in there, if you really care
[06:44] <A[D] minS> amsn
[06:44] <A[D] minS> Picture.tcl: TkCximage not loaded........ how i can load it?
[06:44] <bob2> lcdd: or maybe the i386 firefox .tar.gz from mozilla.org will run with ia32-libs installed
[06:44] <bob2> A[D] minS: you know amsn is in ubuntu, pre-compiled, right?
[06:45] <A[D] minS> yes
[06:46] <lcdd> bob2: it's not that i need it, but i'll try the easiest way anyway
[06:47] <jamie_k> hello all again: is it acutally possible to do  a network install *without any disk other than primary hard disk* on the target machine?
[06:48] <bob2> sure
[06:48] <bob2> assuming your hardware can PXEboot
[06:48] <bob2> modern ibm laptops and desktops can
[06:48] <bob2> so can new world macs (afaik)
[06:48] <jamie_k> bob2: hardware can pxe
[06:49] <bob2> then it's easy
[06:49] <zooko> Okay!  The answer to my problem was: "sudo debfoster desktop-file-utils".
[06:49] <bob2> install tftpd-hpa and a dhcp server on another machine
[06:49] <zooko> Thanks, everyone!  Now galeon is passing files to the appropriate helper apps.
[06:49] <bob2> drop the netboot stuff in /var/lib/tftpboot/
[06:49] <bob2> boot and enjoy
[06:49] <bob2> oh, after configuring the dhcp server, true
[06:50] <jamie_k> bob2: page that describes this is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//NetbootInstallHowto?
[06:50] <jamie_k> bob2: so the part about 'building the etherboot floppy' is not necessary if your machine has pxe natively?
[06:51] <dorris> Hi, anyone got a hand to offer a struggling user
[06:51] <bob2> yup
[06:52] <dorris> Just got an acer travelmate 8103 today
[06:52] <dorris> was all excited, until I got the hoary cd out
[06:52] <dorris> and it jams at "Uncompressing linux... OK, booting kernel" in stage 1 of install
[06:52] <jamie_k> bob2: thx a mill
[06:53] <dorris> tried running with noapic, and nolapic, and vga=771 (Ithink was the num), it the booted, and after cd-rom detection, gave a striped screen, and got no further
[06:53] <bob2> dorris: nothing else prints at all?
[06:54] <dorris> nope
[06:54] <bob2> are you sure the cd burnt ok?
[06:55] <dorris> its been installed on several of my pc's already
[06:56] <dorris> ati X700 graphics
[06:56] <dorris> if that helps
[06:57] <bob2> very odd
[06:58] <justin> dorris: hit f1,f2,f3 etc until you see the one that talks about boot options...
[06:58] <justin> dorris: one of them is like debian-installer/framebuffer=false or something, use that
[06:58] <dorris> let me try
[07:02] <dorris> any other ideas
[07:02] <[TD] Porno> http://www.monstersgame.de/?ac=vid&vid=8997
[07:02] <Seveas> tss
[07:02] <xiaomai> how does one go about getting a debian package into the ubuntu repositories?
[07:03] <bob2> xiaomai: it should happen automatically atm
[07:03] <Seveas> xiaomai, most of them are..
[07:03] <bob2> let me check
[07:03] <Seveas> which package?
[07:03] <xiaomai> Seveas, chewing
[07:03] <xiaomai> Seveas, chewing-scim libchewing, etc
[07:03] <Tomcat_> What automounting system does Ubuntu use?
[07:03] <Seveas> hmm, apt-cache search shows nothing
[07:04] <bob2> Tomcat_: gnome-volume-manager
[07:04] <Seveas> add it to UniverseCandidates on the wiki then with your motivation on why it should be included :)
[07:04] <xiaomai> haha, ok  thanks
[07:04] <Tomcat_> Thanks bob2.
[07:04] <bob2> pretty sure it's still autosyncing
[07:05] <bob2> we'll find out if this package I'm going to uplaod to sid makes it into breezy tommorwo
[07:05] <Seveas> :)
[07:05] <Seveas> it's still autosyncing
[07:05] <Seveas> but maybe it's ftbfs?
[07:05] <bob2> tawt so
[07:06] <x_or> How do I set the hostname with Ubuntu?  Edit /etc/hostname, run the hostname program, or modify another configuration file?
[07:06] <andrre> estoy tratando de configurar una vpn me puede alguien ayudar
[07:06] <bob2> you can't, in general
[07:06] <xiaomai> x_or, yeah
[07:06] <bob2> well, you can, but not simply
[07:06] <bob2> edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[07:06] <xiaomai> x_or, run hostname -F /etc/hostname after you edit the file
[07:06] <bob2> then grep /etc/ for the old one
[07:07] <Seveas> libchewing builds on breezy
[07:07] <Seveas> but i don't see chewing
[07:07] <Seveas> maybe it's simply in the scim package?
[07:07] <xiaomai> Seveas, sorry, it might just be libchewing, chewing-data, and chewing-scim
[07:07] <xiaomai> Seveas, yeah...
[07:07] <coolkev> ok i need to know how i can make a torrent
[07:07] <coolkev> in linux
[07:07] <xiaomai> Seveas, i can dpkg install the plain old deb on Hoary too
[07:07] <Seveas> well, there are no packages starting with chewing
[07:07] <coolkev> whats a program
[07:07] <Seveas> even in breezy
[07:08] <xiaomai> *libchewing-data (sorry)
[07:08] <bob2> coolkev: presumably btmakemetafile
[07:08] <goldfish_> hey guys, i want to connect to my linux desktop, via a windows envirnment through vnc, what do i need to install on the ubuntu side of things?
[07:08] <xiaomai> Seveas, you say that it's already in breezy? does that mean i shouldn't add it to the wiki?
[07:09] <Seveas> indeed :)
[07:10] <xiaomai> cool
[07:10] <deviant> hello
[07:10] <deviant> guys, i have a masquerade problem
[07:10] <psirix> is there anyway to find out what packages are available to download for apt-get?
[07:10] <psirix> i need xml parser and can't find it
[07:10] <crazyhorse> deviant, you arent a vampire, are you? ;)
[07:10] <Seveas> deviant, then don't dress up ;)
[07:11] <djm62> psirix: apt-cache search xml
[07:11] <jago> can any one help to configure a vpn
[07:11] <psirix> thanks
[07:11] <deviant> hehe, funny
[07:11] <djm62> psirix: or use the search in synaptic
[07:11] <Seveas> sorry, it's too warm to stay serious in here :)
[07:11] <psirix> where can i find synaptic?
[07:11] <Seveas> psirix, system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[07:12] <deviant> i`ve added this rule to iptables: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
[07:12] <deviant>  , but i still don`t have internet connection from that machine
[07:12] <deviant> any sugestions ?
[07:13] <Seveas> you need 2 rules in the POSTROUTING table
[07:13] <debugger> hi
[07:13] <joachim> anyone using liferea?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> joachim: yes
[07:14] <Seveas> deviant, mind if i /msg you?
[07:14] <psirix> thanks djm62 and seveas
[07:14] <deviant> Seveas: not at all
[07:15] <crazyhorse> deviant, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:16] <deviant> crazyhorse: permision denied
[07:16] <Seveas> ooh, good one...
[07:16] <Seveas> sudo echo ...
[07:16] <crazyhorse> deviant, sudo...
[07:17] <thoreauputic> I think he'll have to use tee
[07:17] <Seveas> crap, indeed :)
[07:17] <deviant> crazyhorse: doesen`t work dude
[07:17] <Seveas> echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:18] <thoreauputic> right
[07:18] <joachim> what does "now" mean next to a version in synaptic?
[07:18] <crazyhorse> arr yes right Seveas
[07:18] <deviant> crazyhorse: 1
[07:19] <Seveas> deviant, that's ok
[07:19] <crazyhorse> yep
[07:19] <dorris> so, bob2/justin, anyone else got an idea? for travelmate 8104?
[07:19] <Seveas> now it should work with the correct masquerades rules
[07:19] <crazyhorse> deviant, you need to reapply the echo after every reboot
[07:19] <deviant> Seveas: here is the rule: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
[07:20] <thoreauputic> dorris: just a shot in the dark - maybe you could try a "server" install , tehn try to install X and ubuntu-desktop etc ?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> dorris: if that can get you past the boot up problems...
[07:20] <tuxtheslacker> hello.
[07:20] <deviant> ok, it is working
[07:21] <deviant> now, somebody can tell me what the hell that echo 1 stuff does?
[07:21] <crazyhorse> deviant, fine ;)
[07:21] <skel__> lalalalal
[07:22] <dabar> hi, anyone have a clue how ZI could find out why on this particular install of Warty>HOary, I am totally having an unstable gnome, its all crashing, gaim just closed on me, I had trouble with xmms freezing even after setting up esd(when I killed esd, and restard\ted it, restarted xmss, now it works) So basically, can I find out wtf it is so unstable?(it used to be fine on other installas.
[07:22] <tuxtheslacker> has anoyne managed to get the ndiswrapper working under ubuntu wiht a broadcom  BCM4309
[07:22] <crazyhorse> deviant, it makes your machine allowing ip forwarding at all
[07:22] <tuxtheslacker> cuz when I try to install ndiswrapper, it tells me to go away. It throws up error 2, and tells me it doesn't find a dir.
[07:22] <bob2> dorris: I don't, sorry.  try asking on mailing list maybe?  and if it doesn't work, please do file a bug; breezy should have TOTALLY AWESOME(tm) laptop support.
[07:22] <dorris> will try
[07:23] <djm62> dabar: is it just gnome?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> bob2: do you think a bare-bones install might work, followed by ubuntu-desktop etc as I suggested? Or is the problem deeper than I thought?
[07:24] <dabar> DUnno, have not tried. Also it freezes up every time when I do sudo mount /dev/hda2 /whatever, that partition seems to be broken, but the whole system completely freezes w3hen I mount it, I have to cold reboot.
[07:24] <bob2> thoreauputic: it might work
[07:24] <thoreauputic> hmm
[07:25] <dabar> So, you guys think there is a way to find out? I really did nothing special so far.
[07:26] <jago> I need help can one told how to install a openvpn?
[07:26] <dabar> Meaninng, Ive installed epiphany, xmms, mplayer, xine-ui, proftpd, I think bitchx, thats it.
[07:26] <thoreauputic> dabar: do you/ did you have any 3rd party repos like marillat on warty?
[07:26] <bob2> dabar: does it affect other users?
[07:26] <dabar> no, I dont, neither.
[07:26] <dabar> bob2, so far only user, should I try that?
[07:26] <bob2> jago: just install the package like you would any other...
[07:27] <bob2> dabar: yes
[07:27] <thoreauputic> dabar: OK just a check...
[07:27] <djm62> dabar: is there any way to get your data off the system?  it might be interesting to find out, but it might take longer than installing hoary freshly
[07:27] <tuxtheslacker> anyone use ndiswrapper?
[07:27] <psai_> how can i listen to podcast rss seeds with ubuntu
[07:27] <dabar> ok, Ill do that right now. Maybe it was a fluke with the gaim, and a little initial confusion with bmp and xmms.
[07:27] <djm62> psai_: you can use ipodder
[07:27] <dabar> djm62: what do you mean get data off the system?
[07:28] <dabar> I can reinstall without damaging data(partitions).
[07:28] <djm62> dabar: oh, cool...just to be on the safe side
[07:28] <psai_> djm62 : is there a package in universe or multiverse ?
[07:28] <dabar> yeah, it worked out for the first time so far that I was able to just reinstall my OSs, and not damage any data.
[07:29] <dabar> ok, Im gonna wait to see if anything else crashes, and then try another user. THanks.
[07:29] <nlivemx> what i have to do to install xmms because i get that msg whan using apt-get "This may mean that the package is missing.."?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: enable the universe repository
[07:29] <nlivemx> and how? :}
[07:30] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[07:30] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:30] <nlivemx> ty
[07:30] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: ^^^^
[07:30] <djm62> psai_: sadly not
[07:30] <nlivemx> ive just instaled ubuntu.. dun laugh :}
[07:30] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: welcome to Ubuntu then :)
[07:30] <nlivemx> ;}
[07:30] <skel__> :0
[07:30] <skel__> congrats
[07:30] <skel__> i am 1 week ubuntu liver
[07:31] <skel__> :P
[07:31] <psai_> djm62: i'm trying the source package , thx anyway
[07:31] <tuxtheslacker> anyone?
[07:31] <jago> I have done intalling the package from openvpn but whats next
[07:32] <skel__> whats the newest reportioies list
[07:32] <skel__> that i can add to my sources list
[07:33] <jago> I dont now how to followed the next steps in the web page
[07:33] <xiaomai> skel__, what do you mean--breezy?
[07:33] <skel__> i guess
[07:33] <skel__> in snayticv
[07:33] <skel__> snaytic(
[07:34] <thoreauputic> skel__: umm - don't add breezy
[07:34] <xiaomai> skel__, unless you want to be running an unstable beast, you should probably just stick w/ the repositories you're already using
[07:34] <thoreauputic> unless you like broken systems, that is
[07:34] <skel__> oh
[07:34] <psychonate> Nessus is a pretty neat little tool
[07:34] <skel__> does ubuntu change or update them?
[07:34] <xiaomai> skel__, was there some particular peice of software you needed to update?
[07:34] <skel__> gdesklets
[07:35] <thoreauputic> skel__: especially if you 've only been using Ubuntu for a week...
[07:35] <skel__> i got a odler version all i found in syantic
[07:35] <coolkev> how come I can't open a torrent file a text view to see it's content
[07:35] <djm62> skel__: ubuntu has a 6-month cycle, following gnome.
[07:35] <xiaomai> skel__, you'd probably be better off just downloading the source-code and compiling it by yourself then
[07:35] <dabar> Why would my totem player give me an error that it could not start a gstreamer object?
[07:35] <skel__> oh....
[07:35] <skel__> how lcose it to the 6 months?
[07:35] <skel__> close*
[07:35] <djm62> coolkev: right-click on the icon, and use gedit, or whatever
[07:35] <thoreauputic> xiaomai: hrm - he's only been using Ubuntu for a week
[07:35] <skel__> like 3 days :P
[07:35] <djm62> skel__: october
[07:36] <skel__> alrighty
[07:36] <dabar> failed to create gstreamer play object as soon as I double click an mp3.
[07:36] <xiaomai> thoreauputic, oh
[07:36] <dabar> or an mpg.
[07:36] <xiaomai> thoreauputic, linux for 3 days, or ubuntu for 3 days?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> xiaomai: :)
[07:36] <dabar> Or anything, in fact.
[07:36] <thoreauputic> xiaomai: not sure on that one
[07:37] <skel__> i jsut joking sayign the new ubunttu coming in "3 days"
[07:37] <djm62> skel__: it's usually worth keeping to stable, since the updates aren't usually adding much core functionality.  you still get security upgrades delivered
[07:37] <nlivemx> ok i opened synaptic.. im searching xmms, but that program finds only wma codecs for mms.. what i have to do? (sorry for poor EN..)
[07:37] <skel__> alright sounds good
[07:37] <dabar> Failed to create the player: Couldn't initialize scheduler.  Did you run gst-register? that is the error music player gives.
[07:37] <nlivemx> skel__, need help! :}
[07:37] <skel__> one day i will be a ubuntu pro: )
[07:37] <dabar> gst-register is not a command on my console.
[07:38] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: you need the universe repository - see below
[07:38] <Dj_AlTeK> w00t!
[07:38] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[07:38] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:38] <Dj_AlTeK> i got steam to run under wine!
[07:38] <xiaomai> hey, does anyone know how to make it so that only particular fonts are bigger? i'm trying to talk to some chinese kids but the fonts are just to small to make out.  if i make my general application font size larger though, the english is *way* too big. can i just make it so that chinese fonts are displayed at 14 or whatever?
[07:38] <djm62> dabar: do locate gst-register
[07:39] <dabar> nice.
[07:39] <Dj_AlTeK> the olny problem now is that i cant login on steam :(
[07:39] <dabar> djm62: nice, thanks, I think that will fix the gstreamer issues.
[07:39] <dabar> very good!
[07:40] <Dj_AlTeK> hey does anyone know how to login on steam using wine??
[07:40] <dabar> it was gst-register0.8 or something.
[07:41] <skel__> ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian what if i added that to my sources list?
[07:41] <skel__> could i get more appz?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> dabar: if you have a command like that that appears not to exist, try hitting tab
[07:41] <dabar> skel, you would have a better chance of ruining your comp.
[07:41] <thoreauputic> dabar: it would have completed to gst-register-0.8 or whatever
[07:41] <skel__> <---thinking about it....
[07:41] <bddebian> skel__: Did you already add Universe and Multiverse?
[07:41] <skel__> pretty sure i have
[07:42] <djm62> skel__: quantity of apps isn't a great way measure a computer...get what you need/want
[07:42] <xiaomai> skel__, maybe you should just dump your sources.list in #flood
[07:42] <Dj_AlTeK> can i get some help here??
[07:42] <nlivemx> thoreauputic, thank you dude :}
[07:42] <thoreauputic> skel__: don't mix repositories - you will have no end of trouble
[07:42] <skel__> then add what sources list
[07:42] <Funraiser> Dj_AlTeK, just create an account
[07:42] <skel__> what one do u all use
[07:42] <dabar> skel__: do this with exttraneous repos(extraneous...) put them in sources.list, comment them out. And when you hear there is an app(or version) in that repo that you want, uncomment, update, install only that app, and then comment out the repo again, and then update again. That way you know what you did.
[07:43] <thoreauputic> skel__: just the default ones, plus multiverse if you wish
[07:43] <skel__> were cxan i find that list thoreauputic
[07:43] <thoreauputic> skel__: so universe and mutiverse plus the existing ones
[07:43] <skel__> unbuntu only Os he dont wanna mess it up :P
[07:44] <thoreauputic> skel__: you already have it, in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:44] <skel__> i changed it a few times
[07:44] <skel__> to get appz i wanted
[07:44] <dabar> thoreauputic: yeah, thanks, I guess that would have been wise...but, it said did you run gst-reghister(and I really rarely run into stuff that is liek that, has a version number in the command name...
[07:44] <skel__> but maybe i havent i dont know (sigh)
[07:44] <thoreauputic> dabar: yeah, it's an odd one :)
[07:44] <skel__> i hate being linux noob
[07:44] <albacker> what does this mean ?? what to do  :
[07:44] <albacker> /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread must be executed from the startup script.
[07:45] <xiaomai> albacker, don't run the binary like that... there should be a startup script in /usr/bin or something
[07:45] <thoreauputic> dabar: I discovered a whole heap of gnome apps by typing gnome- <tab> <tab>
[07:45] <djm62> skel__: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  and the lines that start with # are ignored by the computer
[07:45] <dabar> ah, yeah, that yes...
[07:45] <xiaomai> xiaomai, you could just use xpdf or gnome-pdf or something though
[07:45] <albacker> xiaomai, ok thanks
[07:45] <skel__> gotcha
[07:46] <dabar> I also loook like that when I am searching for some gnome app when in a diff wm...
[07:46] <skel__> now i there
[07:46] <dabar> soccmom?
[07:46] <socomm>
[07:46] <dabar> hehe
[07:46] <skel__> what should my back ports be i always get a error on those
[07:46] <unome> !mic
[07:46] <ubotu> unome: Are you smoking crack?
[07:47] <dabar> !backports
[07:47] <ubotu> [backports]  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:47] <skel__> thank u
[07:47] <skel__> :)
[07:47] <dabar> read the red text
[07:47] <thoreauputic> skel__: I suggest you not use backports, frankly
[07:47] <dabar> try asking ubotu first too, I do that on #debian
[07:47] <skel__> why so?
[07:47] <dabar> skel__: as I said, it is an extraneous repo, use it only like I specified...
[07:48] <skel__> adding idiviual packages...
[07:48] <dabar> only get an app, yes.
[07:48] <skel__> gotcha
[07:48] <skel__> :)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> skel__: if you *must* use it, comment it out after you get what you needed
[07:48] <flipy> is there any site to download a breezy iso image for amd64?
[07:48] <dabar> DOnt keep it in your sources.list uncommented., cause then when you do sudo aptitude upgrade, or whatever the command is,...you get all the updates from backports?(meaning, very unstable system).
[07:48] <refuze2looze> flipy, it's not recomended you use breezy yet..
[07:49] <albacker> i dont know why in this acroread5 i cant use scroll and why i cant get acroread 7 from the repos.
[07:49] <thoreauputic> dabar: right on ;)
[07:49] <dabar> yeah, I told a good story about it...
[07:49] <xiaomai> any snmp experts in here?
[07:49] <skel__> ok
[07:49] <skel__> thank u all very much
[07:49] <skel__> :)
[07:49] <socomm> flipy: Any reason as to why you wanna run brezzy?
[07:49] <nlivemx> does xmms need mp3 codec or smth? it stops repsonding and i dont know how to close/kill him.. ://
[07:50] <xiaomai> nlivemx, killall -9 xmms
[07:50] <flipy> well, I know, but the only lack of ubuntu is that don't recognaize my bios raid (even the wifi is detected!), so I though that maybe breezy supports it
[07:50] <socomm> nlivemx: `killall -9 xmms'
[07:50] <lcdd> why do people use ubuntu when they obviously want bleeding edge, broken and unstable? :)
[07:50] <socomm> Or `xkill'
[07:50] <joachim> can hibernation work on desktop machines?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: in options/ preferences enable the esound output plugin
[07:50] <dabar> welcome
[07:50] <xiaomai> joachim, why would you want to hibernate a desktop?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: in xmms
[07:50] <nlivemx> ok.. thanks
[07:50] <test1> hi all
[07:51] <joachim> while I'm away eating dinner, xiaomai
[07:51] <dabar> lcdd: is that a question?
[07:51] <flipy> socomm, refuze2looze: well, I know, but the only lack of ubuntu is that don't recognaize my bios raid (even the wifi is detected!), so I though that maybe breezy supports it
[07:51] <lcdd> dabar: not really, no :)
[07:51] <xiaomai> joachim, technically there should be a way... but i've always heard it's discouraged on unix boxen (especially for just short periods of time)
[07:51] <dabar> ok
[07:52] <joachim> hmm... pity. don't geeks care about global warming?
[07:52] <dabar> oh, yeah, another thing that is unstable...when I right click a file, and click properties, nautilus shuts down, and restarts...
[07:52] <refuze2looze> joachim, isn't it good enough to just turn the monitor off
[07:52] <thoreauputic> joachim: just use xscreensaver to lock the desktop
[07:52] <dabar> joachim: System>log out>hibernate...
[07:52] <dabar> it is right there,...
[07:53] <joachim> it doesn't show on my system
[07:53] <dabar> warty?
[07:53] <joachim> hoary
[07:53] <nlivemx> woooooooooohooooooooooooooo mp3 is working!!!
[07:53] <joachim> I upgraded from warty with synaptic
[07:53] <nlivemx> sorry.. im so glad.. :}
[07:53] <dabar> me tooo, muine has that option.
[07:53] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: :)
[07:54] <dabar> nlivemx, I heard from restrictedformats wiki that if you install xmms mp3 support is built in.
[07:54] <kira> can somebody help me have a little problem
[07:54] <nlivemx> dabar?
[07:54] <nlivemx> lietuvis?
[07:54] <kira> hallo
[07:54] <socomm> xmms uses the mpg123 plugin as far as I know.
[07:54] <dabar> no, I am croatian.
[07:55] <nlivemx> ok ok.. thoreauputic is a lifesaver :}
[07:55] <dabar> kira, I can help you with a little problem. Im not sure that is the problem you are having, tho, so please go ahead.
[07:55] <kira> How can i make a link so i installed the newest firefox in opt directory but i want to start firefox typing just firefox
[07:55] <kira> not ./firefox
[07:55] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: hahah - one guy siad I rescue kittens from trees and help old ladies across the street ;)
[07:55] <thoreauputic> *said
[07:56] <dabar> alias firefox='/installed/directory/firefox'
[07:56] <djm62> kira: alias
[07:57] <djm62> kira: or add a launcher to the panel on gnome...
[07:57] <dabar> kira, altho that wil not do any good(well, it did not on my system before) if you are looking for extensions to work, look up forums.
[07:57] <kira> thanx very much yeah great !
[07:57] <kira> it works
[07:57] <thoreauputic> better:  ln -s /path/to/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox
[07:57] <dabar> ya, it does.
[07:57] <bo> haay!
[07:57] <thoreauputic> that will work with clickable menus as well
[07:57] <bo> is this only english?
[07:57] <ttyS0> how to create .debs ?
[07:57] <dabar> and make usr/local/bin before usr/bin in the path?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dabar: it is by default in ubuntu
[07:58] <dabar> ttyS0: out of what.
[07:58] <dabar> ok, good, ya that makes sense, completely.
[07:58] <joachim> why does OpenOffice look really ugly on hoary? I'm sure it used to use the gnome widgets before
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dabar: echo $PATH to see
[07:58] <bo> is this only english??
[07:58] <ttyS0> dabar, out of directory
[07:58] <djm62> bo: there are rooms for other languages, like #ubuntu-es
[07:58] <dabar> joachim: cause we like ugly things...
[07:58] <thoreauputic> bo: yes
[07:58] <kira> it is strange if i klick on an link in evolution firefox do not open the link nothing happens
[07:58] <joachim> what I mean is that it's all dark grey
[07:59] <joachim> the rest of my apps are light grey
[07:59] <thoreauputic> joachim: it should use the gnome widgets
[07:59] <dabar> aha, yeah, it uses something else...
[07:59] <djm62> joachim: there is an openoffice2 package which uses the gnome widgets...
[07:59] <thoreauputic> joachim: did you upgrade from warty without ubuntu desktop installed?
[07:59] <dabar> Does anyone know how I can find out why my natilus crashes when I right click on a file, and click on properties?
[08:00] <nlivemx> dabar, in my language your nick means "now" :}
[08:00] <dabar> in mine, it means beaver.
[08:00] <thoreauputic> umm - my open office uses gnome themes on hoary
[08:00] <othernoob> hi, im having problems printing a pdf (20 pages) with my laser printer, which worked fine before and has printed about 700 pages so far.
[08:00] <joachim> thoreauputic, yes, I think so -- the ubuntudesktop package got removed ages ago in a werid dependency glitch
[08:00] <pete> i'm looking to switch my ipod mini for an mp3 player that shows up on the desktop and i can just copy mp3's onto.
[08:00] <djm62> thoreauputic: are you running openoffice2 (preview unofficial etc)?
[08:00] <bo> how can you go to the other languages rooms?
[08:00] <thoreauputic> joachim: I would reinstall it and see if that helps
[08:00] <pete> anyone got suggestions? I'm looking at the zen micro and some of the iriver flash players
[08:00] <thoreauputic> djm62: no
[08:00] <joachim> ok, will try. tx
[08:01] <thoreauputic> joachim: there's a gnome package for OOo as well
[08:01] <pete> ...and it should work with ubuntu (of course)
[08:01] <djm62> bo: what language do you prefer?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> forget the name
[08:01] <ttyS0> ok, let's repeat. how to create .debs out of directory (i've made some changes in .deb file and now i want to install it)? :)
[08:01] <yourghetek> what im i doing wrong? "sudo slocate -u && slocate -n 1 sources.list | sudo nano"
[08:01] <bo> Dutch
[08:02] <msg-me-4-a-game> how do you change the clock in ubuntu
[08:02] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: wtf are you trying to achieve with that?
[08:02] <joachim> whoa.... selecting ubuntu desktop says it wants to install a TON of stuff
[08:02] <dabar> change it how msg-me-4-a-game?
[08:02] <joachim> including things I already have like firefox. ???
[08:02] <msg-me-4-a-game> well
[08:02] <msg-me-4-a-game> when i boot to windows
[08:02] <bo> someone?
[08:02] <msg-me-4-a-game> it changes the time by 6 hours
[08:03] <Seveas> bo, kom naar #ubuntu-nl dan :)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> joachim: you probably still have warty versions of things
[08:03] <msg-me-4-a-game> i used the wrong setting during install of ubuntu
[08:03] <Seveas> typ gewoon /join #ubuntu-nl
[08:03] <djm62> pete: any generic mp3 player will do that, ipod is the exception.  there are apps that will work with the ipod mini.  iriver devices support ogg which is a nice touch
[08:03] <yourghetek> thoreauputic: im making a script called "snano" for example... you wanna finda file and nano it like googles "im feeling lucky"
[08:03] <bo> jah hoe?
[08:03] <joachim> thoreauputic, I ran a smart update off the hoary CD though
[08:03] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: erm... OK
[08:03] <dabar> some of my wmvs dont have video. I have installed w32codecs, gstreamer0.8-* and that.
[08:04] <bo> Seveas, hoe?
[08:04] <lcdd> pete: it's easiest if the player has usb mass storage support, that means you can access it like any removable disk
[08:04] <joachim> I'll try it... but if you don't see me for a while, it'll be because it's broken everything! ;)
[08:04] <Davey> I wonder if gstreamer 0.9 will hit backports soon
[08:04] <trupina_> help
[08:04] <yourghetek> thoreauputic: what?! i think it would be cool... besides it practice
[08:04] <lcdd> pete: at least older iriver flash players didn't have this in their firmware
[08:05] <trupina_> need some help
[08:05] <dabar> go ahead.
[08:05] <trupina_> about bittorent
[08:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> has anyone gotten the mail plug in for gkrellm to work right?
[08:05] <djm62> :) people come in here with a virtual gasp of desperation
[08:05] <dabar> some...first few times...
[08:05] <trupina_> what is a meta file
[08:06] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: in the first place, locate returns to the prompt, so your && are useless
[08:06] <Seveas> bo --> typ gewoon /join #ubuntu-nl
[08:06] <Funraiser> guys look at this http://tinypic.com/view.html?pic=68vmhh
[08:06] <othernoob> Seveas. are you familiar with printing problems?
[08:06] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: in the second place i see no logic in what you are doing with locate, and I don't understand why you use slocate
[08:06] <Seveas> othernoob, not too much
[08:07] <lcdd> othernoob: let's hear it, maybe someone here can help
[08:07] <othernoob> Seveas: would you know why my printer just doesn't start printing (printed 700 pages so far) and am trying to print a 20 pages pdf which consists of the same mathmatical stuff than the other 700 pages
[08:08] <Seveas> feed it new paper?
[08:08] <yourghetek> thoreauputic: how else would i find a file and send it straight to nano under root?
[08:08] <Seveas> or ink/toner
[08:08] <othernoob> Seveas: theres about 200 pages for it to print on and my toner still got about 900 pages..the drum still got about 11000 pages
[08:09] <Seveas> no errors on the display of the printer?
[08:09] <othernoob> nope, none :/
[08:09] <Dj_AlTeK> jesus what the hell are you trying to pring??
[08:09] <lcdd> othernoob: you could take a look in /var/log/cups/error_log to see if there's anything odd going on
[08:09] <socomm> Are you using cups?
[08:09] <othernoob> yea i use cups
[08:10] <socomm> othernoob: Try checking your printers status.
[08:10] <othernoob> my printer is a brother hl 2030 using the inofficial brother hl 1250 drivers (recommended on linuxprinting.org)
[08:10] <Hoxzer`> after noob
[08:11] <nlivemx> how to turn off gnome sounds? :P
[08:11] <othernoob> socomm: it appears to be processing the job( the pdf), but eh..i hardly doubt it'd need ~10 mins for 20 pages
[08:11] <njan> nlivemx, crazily, in the System>Preferences>sound menu ;)
[08:11] <pete> lcdd: thanks for the tips. I had thought that the iriver and zen had usb mass storage support. do you know that the zen has it?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: you just end up with a new buffer containing "/etc/apt/sources.list " by piping it to nano
[08:11] <thoreauputic> I mean containing the path, not the file
[08:11] <teleyinex> hi
[08:12] <teleyinex> today and yesterday my hoary is crashing with hal
[08:12] <teleyinex> is this normal?
[08:12] <lcdd> pete: apparently the iriver disk based players do, but other than those, i don't know
[08:12] <teleyinex> when i login in my gnome session I get the error: HAL couldnt be initialited
[08:12] <yourghetek> thoreauputic: yeah i found that out.
[08:12] <othernoob> mmh. /var/log/cups/error_log seems to be fine too
[08:13] <socomm> teleyinex: No.
[08:13] <teleyinex> socomm, and is this a new bug?
[08:13] <teleyinex> where can I search?
[08:13] <nlivemx> what irc clients you are using? everyone x-chat?
[08:14] <socomm> teleyinex: I don't think so, perhaps you've changed something that messes with HAL.
[08:14] <teleyinex> nothing
[08:14] <socomm> Or some sort of faulty hardware.
[08:14] <teleyinex> dunno, cause i reboot and then its solved
[08:14] <dabar> Does anyone know how I can find out why my natilus crashes when I right click on a file, and click on properties?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html  << useful
[08:15] <thoreauputic> dabar: have you tried running `strace nautilus ` and seeing what it says when you do that?
[08:16] <mirak> is there an archive handler that doesn't crash
[08:16] <mirak> beside command line
[08:16] <dabar> so I do strace nautilus, and do my thing, right?
[08:16] <mirak> file-roler sucks
[08:16] <squinn> You know, I did something yesterday that I've not done in a long time.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> dabar: right, and a whole lot of stuff spits out into the term ;)
[08:17] <dabar> hehe, one that does not crash:)_
[08:17] <squinn> Saw someone and actually talked to a knowledgeable person -- Linux user -- about running Linux
[08:17] <dabar> oh, wow, even before it opens million things. I dont need those, tho, right?
[08:18] <ompaul> tell me is the subject of an anti swpat stance so off topic for this channel that a useful url should not be handed out - this is for peeps in the eu, people outside will not help the process, we are a little touchy aob the demoracy
[08:18] <Funraiser> squinn, really?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> no, you are only looking for the end when you do the thing that crashes it
[08:18] <dabar> oh, wow, it worked now...
[08:19] <joachim> ok I'm still here :)
[08:19] <joachim> thoreauputic, you were right. it's fixed OOo's widgets!
[08:20] <thoreauputic> joachim: I thought it might ;) Great !
[08:20] <thoreauputic> :D
[08:20] <joachim> thanks :)
[08:20] <dabar> thoreauputic: does the strace fix anything? cause it works now...
[08:20] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dabar: no, but running it from terminal might
[08:21] <squinn> Funraiser, yep ype
[08:21] <othernoob> mmh, cant even print a simple text file created with nedit now...
[08:21] <dabar> yeah, it did. Howcome?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dabar: in which case the problem is in the way it's launched
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dabar: dunno
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dabar: some gnome thing
[08:21] <dabar> ok, good. well, now the one that was launched originally works tooo, so its all good,.
[08:22] <thoreauputic> hmm
[08:22] <thoreauputic> odd
[08:22] <dabar> yeah.
[08:22] <thoreauputic> magic!
[08:22] <dabar> pebcak,,,
[08:22] <othernoob> how do i kill the cups daemon?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> dabar: don't be hard on yourself ;-)
[08:22] <MacScrew> hello all
[08:23] <thoreauputic> othernoob: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys stop
[08:23] <bddebian> Hello MacScrew
[08:23] <socomm> /etc/init.d/cupsd stop
[08:23] <socomm> Or something like that.
[08:23] <ompaul> the idea of a daemon is that you can't but you can stop it - being a daemon it can restart its self - but if you do what thoreauputic says you will be happy - ripped from the book of daemons 101 :)
[08:24] <dabar> im not, joke...im off.
[08:24] <fnoy> i cant download stuff on my firefox it says xml pasring error: not well-formed
[08:24] <dabar> later
[08:24] <thoreauputic> cupsys methinks - or so saith tab completion
[08:24] <joachim> do firefox extensions cause problems with apt?
[08:24] <socomm> joachim: Probably not.
[08:24] <djm62> joachim: no, they're in your $HOME directory
[08:24] <joachim> I'm getting this error:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[08:24] <thoreauputic> joachim: shouldn't - unless the updgraded version doesn't like them
[08:25] <thoreauputic> joachim: try ` sudo apt-get -f install ` without any packages
[08:26] <joachim> thoreauputic, I get the same error
[08:26] <othernoob> mmh. stopped cups, started cups again, didnt help. :/
[08:26] <joachim> should I try just deleting that file?
[08:27] <thoreauputic> joachim: do you have a backport version of firefox or a 3rd party version?
[08:27] <ompaul> othernoob, you asked how to stop it what is you need it to do?
[08:27] <joachim> thoreauputic, when I was on warty I installed the latest FF in my home folder
[08:27] <othernoob> ompaul well, id like to be able to print.. but for some reason my printer doesnt print anymore
[08:27] <ompaul> has it got ink?
[08:27] <othernoob> ompaul, more than enough toner
[08:28] <ompaul> othernoob,  okay it is a better kind of ink :)
[08:28] <thoreauputic> joachim: that shouldn't matter - but that error suggests a conflict of versions
[08:28] <lcdd> othernoob: does 'lpstat -t' list the printer?
[08:28] <ompaul> othernoob, message me the output of lpq
[08:28] <othernoob> lcdd yes
[08:28] <ompaul> othernoob, or stick it in pastebin
[08:29] <joachim> I had hoary's 1.0.2, and before that, warty's 0.9.something
[08:29] <thoreauputic> time to go - 'night all
[08:29] <ompaul> night thoreauputic
[08:29] <othernoob> ompaul it just says that its ready and printing..
[08:29] <justin> joachim: what package are you installing that gives you that error?
[08:29] <joachim> justin, firefox
[08:30] <ompaul> othernoob, emm it should say read and no entries
[08:30] <justin> joachim: what is the exact name of the package
[08:30] <ompaul> othernoob, emm it should say ready and no entries even
[08:30] <ompaul> othernoob, it thinks there is a job in progress
[08:30] <othernoob> ompaul, yea, i still had a nedit file with the text "test" in the jobs..just cancelled it. now it just says ready.
[08:31] <ompaul> othernoob,  now stop it
[08:31] <joachim> justin, 'firefox'
[08:31] <justin> joachim: where did you get a package called 'firefox' from?
[08:31] <othernoob> ompaul okay done
[08:31] <othernoob> restart it ?
[08:31] <justin> oooh, i see
[08:31] <justin> joachim: why are you using breezy?
[08:32] <joachim> justin, I didn't think I was!
[08:32] <ompaul> othernoob, prove it is stopped :-) what is the output of  'ps -auwx | grep cup | grep -v cup'
[08:32] <ompaul> othernoob, prove it is stopped :-) what is the output of  'ps -auwx | grep cup | grep -v grep' Even
[08:33] <goldfish_> what port does remote desktop run on by default?
[08:33] <lcdd> ompaul: grep cupsd$ ;)
[08:33] <justin> joachim: packages.ubuntu.com/firefox packages.ubuntu.com/mozilla-firefox
[08:33] <xliu> Seveas, I just deleted Mozilla-firefox ; all i did was manually delete every package according to the dependency. Seems it is a little complicate, is there a better way?
[08:34] <joachim> all my repositories say 'hoary'
[08:35] <joachim> package 'mozilla-firefox' says dummy transitional package
[08:35] <zukalk> joachim, that package depends on 'firefox' according to synaptic
[08:35] <joachim> hmm. I'll remove backports
[08:36] <xliu> joachim, why to remove backports?
[08:36] <joachim> don't know... I'm starting to get confused
[08:36] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 here know how to downgrade a wine installation using winetools?
[08:37] <Amaranth> eek, firefox from backports?!
[08:37] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys, whats the quickst wiki to set up?
[08:37] <zukalk> Amaranth, what's wrong with the backports?
[08:37] <Amaranth> perhaps breezy backports will be better but for now i'm still saying backports == broken system
[08:38] <joachim> ok...
[08:38] <Amaranth> zukalk: They're fscking backporting gcc4, mono, and firefox
[08:38] <joachim> well in that case I think I've broken everything
[08:38] <dw_> Seveas: I know this is delayed, but what you said made it work just fine, thanks.
[08:38] <joachim> whjen I removed backports from the repo list, synaptic wanted to remove ubuntu-desktop
[08:40] <mandela> hi all newbie here can u help me please
[08:40] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[08:40] <mandela> hi hard
[08:40] <mandela> can u help?
[08:40] <xliu> what's
[08:40] <xliu> mandela, what's the matter?
[08:40] <fnoy_> how do you reinstall firefox?
[08:40] <HaRDaWaY> mandela make your question in the channel...and we try to resolv it
[08:40] <luftdufd> wahts your problem mandela
[08:41] <crazyhorse> fnoy, reinstall firefox? what's the problem?
[08:41] <HaRDaWaY> and sorry for my english
[08:41] <mandela> got me a copy of version 5.04 can i install it alonfside windows??
[08:41] <fnoy_> it says xml parsing error: not well-formed
[08:41] <bddebian> When opening what?
[08:41] <mandela> english is fine!!
[08:41] <crazyhorse> fnoy, try to moving the .mozilla directory in your homedir away that firefox needs to create a new profile
[08:41] <xliu> fony_, i just reinstalled firefox by remove all the packages manually according to the dependency
[08:42] <Seveas> mandela, yes you can :)
[08:42] <xliu> manela,of course you can, i installed Ubuntu and WIndows in one hard disk
[08:42] <mandela> do i boot from cd and is there a partition manager in ubuntu?
[08:42] <xliu> mandela, yes there is
[08:42] <mandela> does it tell you how and how difficult is it?
[08:43] <dw_> Seveas: i had another qustion i was wondering if i culd ask?
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> dw: ask it
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> dont ask to ask
[08:43] <mandela> lol
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> Pet peave in every irc channel
[08:43] <HaRDaWaY> people, can you help me please?, i have toshiba satellite m40-145 (chipset intel915pm, and pci-express), my system stop when it is booting in "starting hotplug subsystem" and another question is..chipset intel 915 pm (centrino) is not support in the kernel yet? i cant activate dma :(
[08:43] <dw_> thechitowncubs: thought I might need to since asking a person in particular, no worry
[08:43] <xliu> manela, the tool is not so easy to use compared with the partitioner in Fedora Core
[08:44] <dw_> i only seem to get sound out of two of my speakers, when I have five
[08:44] <thechitowncubs> is it a 5.1 system?
[08:44] <dw_> sure
[08:44] <mandela> thank you guys ill let you know how it goes and is there any one from south africa here??
[08:44] <dw_> and it worked on other linux systems (and windows)
[08:44] <xliu> mandela, you must get to know some basic concepts of linux file system for using the partitioner in Ubuntu setup
[08:45] <Seveas> dw_, you need to use a plugin for alsa oslt, there are posts about this on the forum
[08:45] <mandela> so should i play with live cd first?
[08:45] <dw_> Seveas: i'll do a search, thanks
[08:45] <xliu> mandela, yes it is a good idea
[08:45] <mandela> thaks guys ill see u all
[08:45] <Seveas> ALL HIDE, GNULinuxer is back :)
[08:45] <mandela> any one from SA here?
[08:46] <xliu> mandela, what is SA?
[08:46] <Seveas> xliu, South Africa
[08:46] <mandela> south africa
[08:46] <delire> or south australia
[08:46] <fnoy> is ther other broser then firefox for ubuntu
[08:46] <xliu> ok, thanks
[08:46] <mandela> or southamerica
[08:46] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> :)
[08:46] <dw_> Seveas: seems to be only one post with "oslt" in it, and it's in the mailing list....
[08:46] <fnoy> browser
[08:46] <mandela> ciao:)
[08:46] <Seveas> dw_, lol :)
[08:47] <Seveas> oslt is short for 'or something like that
[08:47] <Seveas> search for 'surround sound'
[08:47] <dw_> ok, thanks
[08:47] <Seveas> delire, links -g can that too :)
[08:48] <lsuactiafner> root
[08:48] <lsuactiafner> wrong screen
[08:48] <lsuactiafner> lol
[08:48] <goldfish_> lol
[08:48] <delire> Seveas: haven't tried that.. will do!
[08:48] <sewoyl> hello again
[08:49] <Seveas> hi sewoyl
[08:49] <Mondoshawan> hi all
[08:49] <zukalk> hey guys, i wrote a simple sh to move the .deb and .tar.gz from ~ to /usr/local/deb and /tar. it works fine, but when there are no more such files in ~, it says mv: impossvel fazer stat em `*.deb': Arquivo ou diretrio no encontrado
[08:49] <sewoyl> what is polling_frequency in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM ??
[08:49] <zukalk> anyway to solve this? it's a simple mv *.deb
[08:49] <goldfish_> hmm, i've enabled system > preferences > remote desktop, but i cant seem to connect to it... anyone know what port it should run on?
[08:50] <sewoyl> zukalk, isnt it normal if you moved them?
[08:50] <zukalk> sewoyl, yes.
[08:50] <xliu> Seveas, if several packages depend on one package A, in order to removing A, is that a better way than removing every package depending on A manually?
[08:50] <Mondoshawan> can me somebody tell how i can make a list of all installed packages so when i need reinstall the system i will know what i need
[08:50] <zzzsleepy> Mondoshawan, dpkg -l
[08:50] <zzzsleepy> I think?
[08:50] <xliu> Mondoshawan, dpkg -l
[08:50] <goldfish_> yeah
[08:50] <xliu> hehe
[08:51] <topyli> Mondoshawan: dpkg --get-selections > packages.list
[08:51] <zukalk> sewoyl, but is there a way to make it try to move *.deb only if there are any .deb's there?
[08:51] <Mondoshawan> cool thanks
[08:51] <Seveas> zukalk, if [[ ! -z `ls | grep '.deb'` ] ] ; then mv *.deb /usr/local/deb; fi
[08:51] <zukalk> Seveas, thanks
[08:51] <dw_> Seveas: says I should change ALSA device to plug:surround51 in the ALSA configuration.... is that it?
[08:51] <Seveas> dw_, indeed
[08:52] <joachim> what does this mean: mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults.ini': No such file or directory
[08:52] <Seveas> Mondoshawan, dpkg --get-selection > list
[08:52] <zzzsleepy> Mondoshawan, there is also instructions on the ubuntu forums somewhere on how to put downloaded packages on a cd-rom and then create an offline/local repository so you don't have to redownload
[08:52] <dw_> Seveas: sorry if this is stupid, but how wuld I change the device?
[08:52] <Seveas> Mondoshawan, dpkg --set-selections < list
[08:52] <topyli> Mondoshawan: when you have reinstalled, restore your apt sources.list and do dpkg --set-selections < packages.list
[08:52] <Seveas> the latter restores the package state :D
[08:52] <Mondoshawan> ok thanks i hope i can with this list also install packages wit apt -get
[08:52] <Seveas> dw_, no idea, never had to do that myself
[08:52] <Mondoshawan> aaaaaaaa
[08:53] <dw_> ok
[08:53] <dw_> anybody else know how to access alsa configuration??
[08:53] <xliu> what is alsa configuration?
[08:54] <dw_> xliu: place where you can change alsa device
[08:54] <lcdd> dw_: /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc
[08:54] <HaRDaWaY> anybody has laptop with chipset intel centrino 915 pm ? (sonoma)
[08:54] <delire> dw_ yes ~/.asoundrc
[08:54] <dw_> lcdd: will try now, thanks
[08:55] <dw_> delire: thanks
[08:55] <dw_> I don't have either of those....
[08:56] <xliu> anyone knows why my laptop occasionally shutdown automatically if I leave the computer for a long time?
[08:56] <delire> dw_: hmm well you can 'touch ~/.asoundrc' to create it and edit it accordingly.
[08:56] <djm62> apt-zip
[08:56] <djm62> xliu: how long is long? xscreensaver can be set to suspend or hibernate after a defined interval
[08:57] <delire> dw_: the syntax isn't too bizarre, you'll find examples online that will suit your configuration
[08:57] <dw_> delire: instructions say to edit it and change device accordingly... wouldn't know waht to write
[08:57] <dw_> delire: will try to look then
[08:57] <coreyo> is there a way to get alt-rightclick-drag resizing with gnome/metacity?
[08:57] <endy> dw_, the alsa web page has examples for most cards
[08:57] <zukalk> Seveas, another line in the sh is "mv Source/* /usr/local/src/ . will the ls | grep thing work with it?
[08:58] <zzzsleepy> A new NVIDIA driver (1.0-7667) was released yesterday. Any plans on backporting this? (http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7667.html)
[08:58] <xhaker> hello
[08:58] <dw_> endy: thanks, checking out now
[08:58] <xliu> i think it is like a bug, sometimes it is not so long, about 10 minutes, and the shutdown is so quicky that everything stops suddenly
[08:58] <lcdd> zzzsleepy: what's new in it?
[08:59] <zzzsleepy> lcdd, I have yet to read the changelog, but it may resolve an issue(s) that the backporter(s) were waiting on from the last update.
[08:59] <Seveas> zukalk, if [[ ! -z `ls Source` ] ] ; then mv .....; fi
[08:59] <coreyo> also, is anyone else experiencing intermittent io freezups on their ubuntu desktop?
[08:59] <ttyS0> guys. i've installed gstreamer0.8-mad but.....how to listen mp3 files ? (Rhytmbox)
[08:59] <zukalk> Seveas, thanks a bunch
[08:59] <lcdd> zzzsleepy: right
[08:59] <delire> dw_: it loks a bit like: pcm.sblive \n {  \n type hw \n card 0 \n }. where \n is a newline
[09:00] <xliu> djm62, i think it is like a bug, sometimes it is not so long, about 10 minutes, and the shutdown is so quicky that everything stops suddenly
[09:00] <delire> dw_: but really this is only useful if you have multiple cards no?
[09:00] <djm62> xliu: if it's a bug, I don't know how to solve it
[09:01] <anouar> jo dudes
[09:01] <anouar> i cant make my repositories universal
[09:01] <dw_> delire: dunno. It's nvidia sound card 5.1
[09:01] <xliu> ok, i should report it as a bug
[09:01] <zzzsleepy> lcdd: brief list of changes with the latest NVIDIA driver: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=850
[09:01] <Mondoshawan> Me again (i am so stupid) forgotten the much importants thing: can i use the list (packages.list) i export with dpkg -get--selection > with apt-get to download this packages?
[09:02] <delire> HaRDaWaY: i have a centrino..
[09:02] <delire> dw_ eek, forgot they actually made sound cards
[09:02] <djm62> ttyS0: have you tried right-clicking on the file and opening in rhythmbox?  the way rhythmbox was intended to be used, you "add to library" from the application, a directory at a time
[09:02] <dw_> heh
[09:02] <HaRDaWaY> delire and its sonoma? intel915pm, or pci-express ?
[09:03] <Mondoshawan> VERSION
[09:03] <tpdd> does anyone know of a way to sync /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow on different machines and *nix machines
[09:04] <delire> HaRDaWaY: i don't identify it as any of those. wireless is ipw2200, otherwise it's an Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor
[09:04] <HaRDaWaY> ok, thanks
[09:04] <Seveas> tpdd, you need NIS or something like that
[09:05] <Mondoshawan> Me again (i am so stupid) forgotten the much importants thing: can i use the list (packages.list) i export with dpkg -get--selection > with apt-get to download this packages
[09:05] <ttyS0> djm62, yup. but it doesn't play anything :\
[09:05] <delire> tpdd: yes i've heard NIS also, though never done it myself.
[09:05] <signius> is there a way to check what kernel updates have been done and when ?
[09:06] <signius> i think apt or synaptec did a kernel update and in the process zapped my rfmon patches and i just had to re patch my kernel
[09:06] <Seveas> signius, on your machine or in Ubuntu in general?
[09:06] <signius> in ubuntu
[09:06] <signius> but in general would be nice to know also
[09:07] <signius> is there a way to exclude any kernel updates but do all other updates
[09:07] <Seveas> signius, sure, pin the kernel to the current version...
[09:07] <delire> signius: pinning
[09:07] <delire> also a --hold option i believe
[09:07] <signius> i am not at all familiar with either so i will have to read up a little on both i think
[09:08] <xliu> is there any body using eclipse in Ubuntu?
[09:08] <delire> signius: /etc/apt/preferences
[09:08] <zzzsleepy> xliu, not I, but I recall this being discussed on the forums
[09:08] <signius> ah ha
[09:09] <signius> im listening
[09:09] <delire> cannot find the --hold option i dreamt up ;)
[09:09] <xliu> zzzsleepy, the wen forums in Ubuntu website?
[09:09] <signius> delire is that for this pinning option ?
[09:09] <zzzsleepy> xliu, I don't remember where it was discussed, but search the ubuntu forums website for eclipse and search by topic
[09:10] <xliu> zzzsleepy, thanks a lot, tack
[09:10] <signius> there seems to be no such file as /etc/apt/preferences
[09:11] <Seveas> create it then :)
[09:11] <delire> signius: yes, you'll need to create that file
[09:11] <signius> ah
[09:11] <delire> signius: it's a bit of a weird business. basically one uses a number range to designate priority
[09:11] <signius> ok i think i need go google about this
[09:12] <signius> thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[09:12] <phinnaeu1> what is the gdesklets package that you download again? the one with all the clocks and stuff... gah i can never remember these things
[09:12] <delire> signius: 'man apt_preferences' should have what you need
[09:12] <zzzsleepy> xliu, tack?
[09:13] <delire> phinnaeu1: use 'apt-cache search <keyword>' good for times like this.
[09:13] <phinnaeu1> oh ok
[09:13] <phinnaeu1> thanks
[09:13] <delire> phinnaeu1: use 'apt-cache show packagename' then allows you to read all about the package itself
[09:13] <signius> ok thanks reading it now
[09:13] <signius> cheers
[09:13] <delire> np
[09:14] <xliu> zzzsleepy, ok, hehe it's Swedish
[09:14] <phinnaeu1> whoa thanks deliere!!
[09:14] <delire> hey np
[09:14] <zzzsleepy> xliu, what does it mean
[09:14] <xliu> "thanks"
[09:14] <zzzsleepy> xliu, ;)
[09:14] <zzzsleepy> xliu, you are welcome! :)
[09:15] <zzzsleepy> xliu, those ubuntu forums are a gold mine of information
[09:15] <xliu> zzzsleepy, yes i agree
[09:15] <Seveas> and of crap :)
[09:15] <Seveas> you really must be able to distinguish between that ;)
[09:15] <delire> hehe they'll self-clean over time
[09:16] <delire> this is where i think a slashdot like ranking system is useful. in this case "Useful", "Useless", "Out of date"  etc
[09:17] <eks> "stupid jokes" "people who don't know how to search" would be the most used
[09:17] <eks> ^^
[09:17] <Seveas> delire, trolldot sucks
[09:18] <d4rksh4de> hi
[09:18] <delire> Seveas: a friend of mine (new ubuntu user) suggested that Ubuntu should have an HTML manual "Getting Started" (etc) on the desktop, after install. what do you think of this?
[09:18] <Seveas> ih
[09:18] <Seveas> delire, agreed, so does the docteam, who are working on it
[09:18] <d4rksh4de> ok im fresh ubuntu user
[09:18] <delire> Seveas: right, good.
[09:18] <Seveas> d4rksh4de, welcome to the dark side then :)
[09:19] <d4rksh4de> hehe
[09:19] <zzzsleepy> Seveas, is the docteam seeking any volunteers?
[09:19] <delire> Seveas: /. does have conspicuous tendencies to post FUD of late.
[09:19] <anouar> how can i see wether my my has a static ip or not?
[09:19] <Seveas> zzzsleepy, always :)
[09:19] <delire> d4rksh4de: congrats ;)
[09:19] <zzzsleepy> Seveas, great, where do I sign up? :)
[09:19] <Seveas> zzzsleepy, #ubuntu-doc /<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:19] <delire> anouar: less /etc/network/interfaces is where that's usually defined
[09:20] <d4rksh4de> thanx, but I have many problems >/
[09:20] <zzzsleepy> Seveas, thanks ;)
[09:20] <Seveas> Pick a project at their webpage
[09:20] <anouar> thank you delire
[09:20] <Seveas> d4rksh4de, that's not good to hear, but tell us and we might be able to solve it
[09:20] <d4rksh4de> ok
[09:21] <Heimdall> hello everybody !
[09:21] <Seveas> hi Heimdall
[09:21] <d4rksh4de> the biggest problem was solved, i have now internet connection :)
[09:21] <Seveas> :D
[09:21] <Heimdall> how are u Seveas ?
[09:21] <Seveas> good :)
[09:21] <Heimdall> I'm in good mood tonight !!!
[09:21] <Seveas> oh no
[09:21] <Seveas> won the lottery?
[09:21] <Heimdall> no
[09:22] <Seveas> ahh, too bad ;)
[09:22] <phinnaeu1> does anyone know what a .nef file is?
[09:22] <delire> anouar: aside from this you won't be able to tell _how_ you got your IP without looking at logs like 'dmesg' AFAIK
[09:22] <Heimdall> hehe :)
[09:22] <Seveas> phinnaeu1, try www.filext.com
[09:22] <d4rksh4de> next i need to get better graphics resolution
[09:22] <Seveas> d4rksh4de:  find out how you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:22] <Heimdall> money does not make happyness
[09:22] <phinnaeu1> will do
[09:22] <othernoob> Heimdall, you sure?
[09:22] <d4rksh4de> im on 680x480 right now and its not good
[09:22] <phinnaeu1> heh in my world it does
[09:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> has anyone ever actually figured out how many diffrent types of files there are for linux?
[09:22] <Seveas> Heimdall, but it helps though :)
[09:22] <slept> phinnaeu1, you can check with file filename.nef
[09:22] <Heimdall> oh yeah I'm sure
[09:22] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, infinitely many...
[09:23] <Heimdall> I have no money but I'm quite happy :)
[09:23] <othernoob> Heimdall, how do you know for sure ;)
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow
[09:23] <Howitzer> How can i set it up so, that at startup, the X server doesn't start automaticly, but that i have to login first and do Startx
[09:23] <othernoob> Heimdall, but how do you know that you wouldn't be happier with money?
[09:23] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: textfiles, archives (and the rest) ;)
[09:23] <Heimdall> othernoob : heh :)
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jezze
[09:23] <Seveas> Howitzer, sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[09:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like the fact that most of the files can be edited in notepad
[09:24] <Howitzer> wha
[09:24] <Howitzer> ehh
[09:24] <Howitzer> besides
[09:24] <Howitzer> i use KDM
[09:24] <Seveas> Howitzer, sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove
[09:24] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: notepad!! more like vim, nano or emacs ;)
[09:24] <Seveas> :D
[09:24] <Tarcastil> hey, if I use checkinstall -D a lot, will that mess up apt any?
[09:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like gedit myself
[09:24] <Choubaka> Tarcastil: likely not.
[09:24] <delire> hehe nothing too wront with gedit
[09:24] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: notepad under wine ? :p
[09:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ewww
[09:25] <delire> you said it!
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i still use win names for programs in linux
[09:25] <Howitzer> lol
[09:25] <Howitzer> BLASPHEMY
[09:25] <zukalk> lol
[09:25] <delire> heresy
[09:25] <Howitzer> Heretic!
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause i'm still adjusting to the smothenss of the way it works
[09:25] <Howitzer> Let's BUUUUUURN him!
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> although i have not use.....O_o
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> used win in 3 mothes
[09:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even though theres a winxp computer right next to me
[09:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> theres just no need for it anymore
[09:26] <psychonate> Choubaka, put *nix on it and set up NFS :)
[09:26] <psychonate> er
[09:26] <psychonate> ChurcH_of_FoamY,
[09:26] <psychonate> damn
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> has anyone ever gotten the mail app to work in gkrellm?
[09:27] <Rounin> Hm, so I turned off ACPI in the bootloader, and now the drumming sound from the login prompt is being played again and again and again... How do I stop that?
[09:27] <zzzsleepy> Rounin, did you try the sound fix on the ubuntu guide?
[09:27] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yep
[09:27] <anouar> guys is it posible tha Gaim(msn) does not work ?
[09:27] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: that's the spirit. you learn through Linux, puts the fun back in computing - and on a computer you finally *own*.
[09:27] <Rounin> zzzsleepy: There's an ubuntu guide?
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can you tell me how to make it work right it's pissing me off
[09:27] <zzzsleepy> Rounin, there was also a thread about this drumming loop on the ubuntu forums
[09:27] <anouar> it says it cant find meesenger.com
[09:27] <Rounin> zzzsleepy: Cheers
[09:27] <zzzsleepy> Rounin, search the mailing list area of the forums on the ubuntu forums for this issue
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> delire i know it rocks
[09:28] <eks> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:28] <Dj_AlTeK> can anyone here tell me what this means: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/181
[09:28] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what is your problem exactly ?
[09:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> one sec
[09:29] <d4rksh4de> what is sudoers file?
[09:29] <bigbootay> config file for sudo program.
[09:30] <delire> d4rksh4de: it is where user, group, program execution permissions are defined for use by sudo.
[09:30] <Tarcastil> okok
[09:30] <d4rksh4de> is this bad? "a1test is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[09:31] <Choubaka> d4rksh4de: no.
[09:31] <d4rksh4de> ok
[09:31] <Choubaka> d4rksh4de: it will be reported to your main user.
[09:31] <d4rksh4de> i thought this is an error
[09:31] <Choubaka> d4rksh4de: it is.
[09:31] <Choubaka> you're not in the sudoers file
[09:31] <Choubaka> -> you're not allowed to run programs wityh sudo
[09:31] <d4rksh4de> and when i type "su" it asks password
[09:32] <d4rksh4de> but i dont know the password :/
[09:32] <slept> there is none
[09:32] <delire> d4rksh4de: su == "super user". sudo == "super user do" (or do-as-super-user) where 'super user' == root
[09:32] <d4rksh4de> all passwords are wrong
[09:33] <d4rksh4de> ok
[09:33] <delire> d4rksh4de: ubuntu doesn't have a root password by default. root == Super User ('su'). you shouldn't really need one, but if you must login as super user (root) then 'sudo passwd root'
[09:34] <endy> can you 'sudo su' then run a program?
[09:34] <delire> d4rksh4de: though it sounds to me like you have no defined rights in /etc/sudoers.
[09:34] <d4rksh4de> thanx now i got it
[09:34] <d4rksh4de> lol i typed only su
[09:34] <delire> endy: no..
[09:34] <d4rksh4de> but it needs to be "su username"
[09:35] <delire> ?
[09:35] <endy> delire, ok :)
[09:35] <xirtam> how do i set xfree86 as default xserver ?
[09:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> eks well i'm trying to set it up to check my email with firefox and every 120seconds it opens up firefox
[09:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and the mail count is wrong
[09:35] <delire> d4rksh4de: have you created a new user and now you want to give it certain program execution rights?
[09:35] <xirtam> how do i set xfree86 as default xserver ?
[09:36] <Seveas> xirtam, xfree86 is NOT supported anymore
[09:36] <psychonate> Why do you want it anyway?
[09:36] <Seveas> it will be impoosible to run it in breezy..
[09:36] <coreyo> how do you access administration in cups (localhost:631) ?  the printer-manager doesn't let me name/rename or alter any printers, and logging in as root doesn't seem to be working
[09:36] <d4rksh4de> yes i tried
[09:36] <xirtam> ok, how do i reconfigure the package to use xorg instead?
[09:36] <delire> coreyo: weird.. you probably need to be added to the printer group. not needed here though. see /etc/groups
[09:36] <d4rksh4de> I tried to install java but couldnt
[09:37] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it's normal that it open firefox if you ask it to verify your mails with firefox
[09:37] <endy> coreyo, you may need to set a root password
[09:37] <Seveas> if you have installed hoary or upgraded to it, you will automatically use Xorg
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so what option do i turn off to make that not happen
[09:37] <Seveas> coreyo, sudo adduser cupsys shadow
[09:37] <slept> xirtam, you cant have xorg and xfree they conflict you have one or the other
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and how do i get it to see the correct amount of mail?
[09:37] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: remove the name off firefox in the configuration
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[09:38] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: where is your mailbox ?
[09:38] <d4rksh4de> im a little away trying to get my graphics resolution better :/
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i use mozilla-thunderbird
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and my e-mail is pop.charter.net
[09:38] <delire> d4rksh4de: what are you working with now? 800x600, 1024x768?
[09:39] <CyberTF> what is the danger in upgrading firefox to 1.0.4 under hoary?
[09:39] <knucks> how do i create a partition on ubuntu in NTFS format
[09:39] <eks> so just ask gkrellm tu check pop.charter.net
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you break it
[09:39] <Seveas> CyberTF, FF in hoary is equivalent to 1.0.4
[09:39] <eks> to*
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[09:39] <Seveas> knucks, not possible...
[09:39] <CyberTF> so i should do the workaround for extensions and not worry about it?
[09:39] <knucks> :(
[09:39] <d4rksh4de> im on 640x480
[09:39] <eks> CyberTF: firefox is already 1.0.4
[09:39] <d4rksh4de> its really bad
[09:40] <d4rksh4de> i cant see all the windows
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit theres 3 diffrent pop3's
[09:40] <Seveas> d4rksh4de:  find out how you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> which one do i use?
[09:40] <knucks> is it possible to create a ntfs partition and then transfer all my mp3s to it?
[09:40] <delire> d4rksh4de: ouch. can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a pastebin?
[09:40] <eks> CyberTF: it's just an error
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the default?
[09:40] <Seveas> knucks, you can create it in windows...
[09:40] <eks> in the version number
[09:40] <delire> d4rksh4de: paste it here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it dosen't show the correct number of e-mails
[09:40] <d4rksh4de> ok ill try
[09:40] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: just add your account in the milboxes to check
[09:41] <delire> d4rksh4de: i may be able to see what's up..
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i did that
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it should check the right number of mail?
[09:41] <eks> yes
[09:41] <delire> d4rksh4de: also, and perhaps more importantly, can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:41] <eks> it should
[09:42] <coreyo> delire: when you say the printer group, you mean lp?
[09:42] <endy> lpadmin
[09:42] <coreyo> Seveas: what does the shadow group do?
[09:42] <endy> i think
[09:42] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: be sure to remove messages from the server when downloading them in thunderbird
[09:42] <delire> coreyo: yes
[09:42] <Seveas> coreyo, the shadow group can read the encrypted passwords, so it can let you login to the web interface
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok do i use remote mailbox or local mailbox?
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i do that automaticly
[09:43] <phaedrus44> hello
[09:43] <Seveas> hi
[09:43] <phaedrus44> is ubuntu mo bettah than mepis?
[09:43] <phaedrus44> if it is..what makes it bettah!
[09:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this is where it was looking before --->/var/mail/shane
[09:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do i keep that setting?
[09:43] <gigli> Does anyone knows how to use headphones. I have installed ubuntu 5.04 on my laptop, acer273 xc, ac97 sound, sis650 chipset, everything works just fine, except that when i use my headphones there is no sound if i push to the bottom, but i can get sound in both my speakers and headphones if i push in to the half. Anyone have any solution?
[09:43] <eks> you can use both, but local mailbox is just used if you have a mail server on your PC
[09:43] <chillywilly> I don't think anyone who asks if something is "mo bettah" deserves a response
[09:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no i just use thunderbird
[09:44] <d4rksh4de> pasted
[09:44] <eks> so you don't need to check local mailboxes
[09:44] <gahan> ubuntu supports amd64?
[09:44] <Seveas> chillywilly, hmm, indeed ;)
[09:44] <Seveas> gahan, yes
[09:44] <gahan> ok thx
[09:44] <coreyo> still no luck loggin into cups via the web interface.  cupsys is a member of lp, and a member of shadow.  I restarted cupsys via /etc/init.d/ and still the same result
[09:44] <delire> phaedrus44: mepis is very very good IMHO, though has less integrity  - alot of non-free (patented and/or closed-source stuff like codecs, java etc)
[09:45] <phaedrus44> oh
[09:45] <phaedrus44> is ubuntu a little liter?
[09:45] <phaedrus44> lighter?
[09:45] <phaedrus44> does it use kde?
[09:45] <Seveas> Ubuntu uses gnome, which is lighter than KDE
[09:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i put it on remote mailboxes right?
[09:45] <bddebian> Gnome lighter than KDE?  Im not so sure about that anymore :-)
[09:45] <eks> phaedrus44: no
[09:46] <eks> Kubuntu use KDE
[09:46] <Seveas> bddebian, it still is :)
[09:46] <justin> gnome is _simpler_, and lighter in that sense
[09:46] <phaedrus44> cool...i tried o load it onto my laptop but it kept f'ing up
[09:46] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: right
[09:46] <Seveas> But yeah, if you really want a light system: xfce is good :)
[09:46] <delire> coreyo: i think endy might have had it. try adding it to the lpadmin group. however here i do not need this.
[09:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k than i should be all set
[09:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[09:46] <eks> you're welcome :)
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> eks can i pm you to test it? and thank you so much
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'll give ya my email address
[09:47] <delire> justin: gnome, simpler? not so sure about that.
[09:47] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if you want :)
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank you man you ROCK!
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[09:48] <justin> delire: compare pretty much any two similar dialogs between gnome and kde, the gnome dialog will have a handful of options, the kde dialog will have 6 tabs and dozens of options
[09:48] <eks> :p
[09:48] <d4rksh4de> i pasted the log too
[09:48] <zooko> Greetings, People of #ubuntu!  I am struggling to install vmware on current breezy, and whenever I insmod vmmon.o I get "-1 Invalid parameters".
[09:48] <zooko> This is with kernel 2.6.10 from "linux-source-2.6.10"
[09:48] <justin> delire: now, the gnome approach is better, as long as you don't specifically need one of the options it lacks
[09:48] <zooko>  compiled here with gcc-3.3, and vmmon.o compiled here with gcc-3.3.  How can this not work?
[09:48] <zooko> Maybe because gcc-3.3.6 from breezy has a compiler bug ??
[09:49] <coreyo> it turns out that I can't actually kill cups
[09:49] <coreyo> wow....
[09:49] <merc> i want the kernel source, and .config file of my current ubuntu kernel, under what will i find this in synaptic?
[09:49] <xiaomai> you can always just get the lacking options through gconf
[09:49] <lcdd> merc: config you can find in /boot
[09:49] <Seveas> merc, linux-source-2.6.10
[09:49] <coreyo> the /etc/init.d/cupsys stop doesn't kill it, and killall -9 cupsd still allows me to access the webpage
[09:49] <d4rksh4de> test
[09:49] <merc> thanks and thanks fellas :)
[09:49] <justin> xiaomai: kde still has some obscure options that don't exist anywhere in gnome
[09:50] <Seveas> 'some'..?
[09:50] <delire> justin: i use neither, but have grown to be a fan of KDE after having to administer 30 machines used by as many mad students. that said, i do think for everyday use there are a few too many options. hence their new work on simplifying it all radically, hiding such options under 'Advanced buttons' and the like.
[09:50] <Seveas> some dozen :)
[09:50] <Seveas> per application
[09:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just wanted to say that beep media player is the best music app i have ever used
[09:51] <coriolan> coreyo: at least if you remove cupsys it will not rise when you reboot.
[09:51] <alex_> hello world!
[09:51] <merc> beep didnt impress me much
[09:52] <auk> goodbye, cruel world!!
[09:52] <d4rksh4de> when i see in terminal like this: d4rksh4de@d4rksh4de:/$   it means im logged in as d4rksh4de?
[09:52] <merc> xmms with some bells and whistles
[09:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just wish it had some eq presets like winamp
[09:52] <alex_> i've just installed ubuntu 5.04. i've got a problem with totem
[09:52] <justin> delire: from what I've seen, many people won't make the slightest effort whatsoever to make their default environment more usable
[09:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i wish winap could run in linux
[09:52] <alex_> can anybody helo pme?
[09:52] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, xmms / beep-media-player ;)
[09:52] <Seveas> alex_, what's the problem?
[09:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> justin i'm a linux noob and my enviroment is to my likeing
[09:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i changed a whole bunch of crap
[09:53] <justin> delire: and that goes for windows as well, vis. ugly as hell luna theme and brain dead default fonts
[09:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i'm still tweaking the enviroment
[09:53] <merc> i used to run fvwm..all i do is tweak ;)
[09:53] <merc> this switch to kde is kinda skeery..
[09:53] <justin> ChurcH_of_FoamY: some people also never actually use their computers :-P
[09:53] <merc> its like you stole my tweasers and gave me a chainsaw
[09:53] <delire> justin: i've given workshops on both KDE and Gnome and see people take to a KDE system (and thus Linux) much faster. however, those that are curious, and better described as 'power users' quickly switch to Gnome.
[09:53] <coreyo> okay, some brute force killling among other things... cups is now my bitch.  Thanks guys.
[09:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i sped about 15-17 hours a day infront of mine
[09:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it has my tv and radio and everything
[09:54] <delire> coreyo: under control? seems to be getting a bit violent ;)
[09:54] <alex_> seveas_,i've tried to open an mp3, but it doesn't work
[09:55] <alex_> seveas_,it needs a codec. can you help me?
[09:55] <Seveas> in the private chat alex_ :)
[09:55] <delire> alex_: the mp3 uses patented material and thus comes under the banner of 'restricted formats'. you'll need to install the mp3 codec.
[09:55] <coreyo> delire: it deserved every bit of it!
[09:55] <delire> hehe
[09:57] <Mondoshawan> hi! Can me somebody say me how to recover filse from lost+found
[09:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that mplayer plugin is pritty cool
[09:59] <justin> ChurcH_of_FoamY: coolest thing about it is that you can edit the config and set download=1 and noembed=1, so it 1) saves the movies, and 2) lets you view them fullscreen and not in a 3" by 2" window
[09:59] <delire> justin: wow.. that's news to me.
[09:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oohhh new project ^_^
[09:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> something i'm gonna have to try ^_^
[10:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_0 must tweak
[10:00] <Seveas> lol
[10:00] <delire> hehe the Hunger
[10:01] <fabio> Hello all
[10:01] <delire> hi
[10:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in windows i used to be the tweakmaster exstrodinare
[10:01] <levander> Anybody remember what the CPU interface for the Katmai Pentium III was called?  It was the one before the Pentium Coppermine core and the Socket 370 interface.
[10:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if it could be hacked reverse enginerd or pirated i could do it
[10:02] <fabio> delire, hi
[10:03] <delire> levander: http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/chipsets/
[10:03] <justin> levander: socket A?
[10:03] <coreyo> is anyone else experiencing little io "burps" in their desktop responsiveness?  I haven't seen this since some of the later 2.4 kernels
[10:03] <jessid> hello. Could some body tellme how can I use the power save daemon in installed ubuntu?
[10:04] <Seveas> coreyo, yes, as if the hard disk is spinning up
[10:04] <levander> delire: you don't know a quiet heatsink for those cpus do you?  The one I've got now is just too loud.
[10:04] <coreyo> Seveas: any ideas?
[10:04] <Seveas> no response for like half a second to a second
[10:04] <levander> delire: but thanks, i'm checking that page now
[10:04] <coreyo> Seveas: exactly... and if you're typing several letters are either dropped or repeated
[10:05] <delire> levander: sadly i'm out of the loop. been a laptop oriented person for a few years now.
[10:05] <Seveas> coreyo, no not that, they just take some time to 'arrive' on the screen
[10:05] <phinnaeu1> hey what is the fastest way to copy a cd on ubuntu?
[10:05] <coreyo> Seveas: mine actually get dropped, depending on how furiously I'm typing...   this problem seems to be ubuntu specific...
[10:05] <phinnaeu1> is there a fast way?
[10:06] <xTina> Anyone here with automated installation experience (kickstart, d-i preseeding)?
[10:06] <delire> coreyo: odd
[10:06] <linuxboy> I saw a cool page on the ubuntu wiki. all about linux. it was long and well written. anybody know what it was called? i've lost it
[10:06] <Seveas> coreyo, try fiddling with the power management setting to prevent the hard drive from spinning down
[10:06] <delire> coreyo: anything in syslog?
[10:06] <RCepeda> hey does anybody know if there's an ImageReady-type program for linux?
[10:06] <coreyo> in some of the 2.4 kernels, this became an ide access issue, but was fixed in the 2.6 kernel
[10:06] <jessid> '
[10:06] <djm62> coreyo: is dma enabled?
[10:06] <Seveas> it doesn't bother me too much to look into it actually ;)
[10:06] <phinnaeu1> RCepeda: i would just use imageready on wine
[10:06] <coreyo> djm62: I enabled it in hdparm.conf
[10:07] <delire> RCepeda: gimp will do gif animations (if that's what imageready does).
[10:07] <Elsidox> does antone here use wired?
[10:07] <RCepeda> would that work right, or would you need more advanced graphics like cedega?
[10:07] <RCepeda> delire it does? good
[10:07] <coreyo> delire: nothing in syslog that I can see
[10:07] <phinnaeu1> RPepeda: photoshop works on wine
[10:07] <delire> RCepeda: apt-cache show gimp-gap
[10:08] <delire> coreyo: then i'd do as Seveas suggests, look into disabling HDD spindown
[10:08] <coreyo> Seveas: I seem to remember someone saying that the powernowd daemon was causing problems... what else should I check?
[10:08] <merc> grar, anyone here use the hostap wireless driver?
[10:08] <delire> nope
[10:08] <phinnaeu1> does anyone know how i can easily copy an audio CD
[10:08] <Seveas> hmm, powernowd might be it
[10:08] <Seveas> phinnaeu1, use k3b/gnomebaker/graveman
[10:09] <delire> RCepeda: gif, however is a patented, restricted format. you'll need to install support for it.
[10:09] <merc> or kaudiocreator :)
[10:09] <merc> oh, that'll just rip it.
[10:09] <djm62> phinnaeu1: gnomebaker has a Copy Audio CD button
[10:09] <phinnaeu1> thanks
[10:09] <remix_tj> anyone knows why portable doesn't switch himself off after the power down message?
[10:09] <RCepeda> oh  how would i get that?
[10:09] <delire> merc: KDE has incredible burning software. i like the konqueror integration
[10:10] <merc> i've only used k3b before
[10:10] <merc> other than that, i've been using kde for 1 day.
[10:10] <djm62> delire: is it better than nautilus burning?
[10:10] <jessid> hello.    Does powernow actually control the disk, or would that just be my processor speed changing ?
[10:15] <delire> jbone: /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there a way to fix the font in mplayer?
[10:15] <djm62> delire: I think it's potentiation...gnome HIG seriousness coinciding with ubuntu human-focused distro
[10:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to stop getting that stupid error
[10:15] <delire> djm62: for sure..
[10:16] <phinnaeu1> ohhh ok nevermind people
[10:16] <nalioth_wrkn> ChurcH_of_FoamY: follow the inst, for one
[10:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know how to supply font files though
[10:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or where the instructions are
[10:17] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the inst are in teh error msg
[10:17] <jbone> delire: thanks; reboot necessary? SuSE had a script which did it whithout rebooting...
[10:17] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: search your system for the font it wants, and then google (if not found locally)
[10:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[10:18] <delire> jbone: no you can set it live with 'hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda' (for instance)
[10:19] <delire> jbone: as always, be careful!
[10:19] <jbone> thx, will be! btw: Ubunt is a great distri - will stay with it!
[10:19] <delire> jbone: :) that it is.
[10:19] <Nilbus> hah, this is great :P
[10:19] <Nilbus> www.nilbus.com/pub/ubuntu.mpeg
[10:19] <Nilbus> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6863
[10:22] <delire> Nilbus: hehe far out ;).
[10:23] <delire> Nilbus: Ubuntu perhaps the first Linux distro to be mentioned in prime time trashy TV :)
[10:24] <jbone> delire: everything went fine, am now copying DVD at full speed instead of 0.7x :-)
[10:25] <delire> jbone: great news ;)
[10:26] <Nilbus> delire, first time I've ever seen
[10:27] <levander> there is any easy way to check your CPU temps? like under the /proc filesystem?
[10:28] <unome> levander: sensors
[10:28] <Firetech> levander: mbmon
[10:28] <Firetech> sensors require configuration.
[10:28] <levander> these are /proc files or packages?
[10:28] <pfp> is mbmon separate from lm-sensors?
[10:29] <Firetech> packages
[10:29] <crz_> hello guys
[10:29] <cmarqu> I wonder if I should try seb128's GTK 2.7.0 packages. Did they work for you?
[10:29] <Firetech> pfp: yes
[10:29] <crz_> I have a blitz question, how to automatically install this - http://fatboy.umng.edu.co/debian/pool/main/c/cinepaint/
[10:29] <levander> which is the easiest of the two packages to configure?
[10:29] <nalioth> crz_: "sudo apt-get cinepaint"?
[10:30] <seb128> cmarqu: they work quite fine
[10:30] <crz_> nalioth, it gets me cinepaint 18-3 , but this one is 19-1
[10:30] <delire> nalioth apt-get *install* cinepaint
[10:30] <nalioth> delire: sorry it's been ONE of THOSE days
[10:30] <cmarqu> seb128: Okay, thanks, then I'll be so brave :)
[10:30] <crz_> why are the asterisks ?
[10:30] <crz_> and without sudo :)
[10:30] <nalioth> delire: i'm amazed i can still touch type
[10:30] <xliu> is Cinepaint a painter software?
[10:30] <delire> nalioth: hah no problem. i'm a bit slow myself
[10:30] <crz_> xliu, yes
[10:31] <Firetech> levander: mbmod doesn't need any configuration, but needs to be run as root... sensors (the package is named lm-sensors) and is easy to configure, just run "sudo sensors-detect" after installation
[10:31] <nalioth> crz_: disregard the asterisks, just the words
[10:31] <crz_> nalioth, yes i got it now
[10:31] <Firetech> mbmod -> mbmon
[10:31] <nalioth> xliu: cinepaint is the new name for filmgimp
[10:31] <crz_> nalioth, just want to install the cinepaint from http://fatboy.umng.edu.co/debian/pool/main/c/cinepaint/
[10:31] <delire> nalioth: ahah didn't know this
[10:31] <crz_> not the one it is installed with apt-get install cinepaint
[10:32] <levander> Firetech: i'm looking at a hotwo on ubuntuforums, i don't have to run a mkdev.sh script for lm-sensors?
[10:32] <xliu> ok, i still do not know lots of linux applications :)
[10:32] <nalioth> crz_: is there a deb file at that location (for you arctitexture)?
[10:32] <crz_> yes
[10:32] <Firetech> levander: I didn't need to
[10:32] <djm62> crz_: then you can try "dpkg -i cinepaint.....deb"
[10:32] <crz_> but it has dependancies which i don't have
[10:32] <morchuboo> Hi all, can anyone tell me how to set the default sound device in hoary if you have two sound cards?
[10:32] <crz_> i've already tried dpkg -i cinepaint...deb
[10:33] <nalioth> crz_: try "sudo apt-get build-dep cinepaint"
[10:33] <delire> morchuboo: you need to give priority in a file called ~/.asoundrc, if you are using ALSA that is
[10:33] <Firetech> levander: ubuntu uses udev, so there is no need as far as i understand.
[10:33] <macerata> I had a problem with sound, but just disabled onboard sound and everything worked after that
[10:33] <macerata> Disabled in the bios, that is
[10:33] <delire> macerata: right
[10:34] <crz_> nalioth, will this build-dep for the 19-1 cinepaint (latest i mean.. which do not install with apt-get install)
[10:34] <nalioth> crz_: i'm not sure
[10:34] <djm62> nalioth: are you thinking DIY hoary port?
[10:34] <crz_> nalioth, what does this command do then :)
[10:34] <minavana> hi! can anybody help me to turn work my build-in WiFi (USB, prism2) module with ECS530 laptop?
[10:35] <lidob> hello!!
[10:35] <morchuboo> delire,  - I have done that - and ALSA has changed fine, but selecting ALSA as the default sound sink didnt change what was used for system sounds
[10:35] <morchuboo> so I need to chage the default for esd
[10:35] <nalioth> crz_: that build-dep will install dependencys for cinepaint_0.18.3-6
[10:35] <crz_> yes.. it did so :(
[10:35] <nalioth_wrkn> gotta run
[10:35] <crz_> i want deps for 0.19-1
[10:35] <delire> morchuboo: ahah, the good old not-so-enlightened-sound-daemon
[10:36] <morchuboo> lol - yea
[10:36] <lidob> hylas?
[10:36] <crz_> hm...
[10:36] <morchuboo> ahh - i suppose ill just dissable it and put my mic on the same card as my speekers
[10:36] <djm62> crz_: you might be able to compile a .deb for your computer
[10:36] <crz_> what is http://fatboy.umng.edu.co/debian/pool/main/ is a .. backport or repository ?
[10:37] <djm62> crz_: I'm checking right now
[10:37] <PoopinClumpin> if i put backports at the bottom of the sources.list will apt check the other repositories first for the packages I want to get?
[10:37] <morchuboo> I did have it working a while agobut after reinstalling i cant remember how i did it
[10:37] <xliu> to set system environment variables, edit /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/profile?
[10:37] <crz_> djm62, thanks
[10:37] <lidob> that's the name of my atletiek
[10:37] <djm62> crz_: a repository, but it doesn't have .debs for ubuntu hoary
[10:37] <lidob> hylas
[10:37] <djm62> crz_: am I ok to PM you?
[10:37] <pfp> xliu: /etc/environment (bash.bashrc and profile only affect the shell)
[10:37] <Arkainium> Anyone know why emacs doesn't recognize all my fonts?    I didn't need to mess with esd at all
[10:40] <signius> if i edit esound.conf like on the ubuntu site it still dont work
[10:40] <ubuntu_> quien habla espaol????
[10:40] <rj`> is samba broke in hoary?
[10:40] <ubuntu_> ..
[10:40] <macerata> I'd check that first then work from that
[10:40] <rj`> its been like that for a week
[10:40] <signius> the sound on loads of stuff dont work until i kill the esd process
[10:40] <djm62> crz_: debian has its own problems.  ubuntu has some debs available at the moment, and will gain more with increased popularity (and the predictable release cycle)
[10:40] <ubuntu_> what???
[10:40] <rj`> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:40] <rj`>   samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-1~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[10:40] <ubuntu_> fuck you
[10:40] <rj`> :((
[10:40] <Seveas> rj`, don't use backports then
[10:40] <Seveas> samba is fine in hoary
[10:41] <rj`> SeamusLP: im not -- well i remove the backports line for sources.list and did a apt-get update
[10:41] <Seveas> rj`, that will not magically remove backports...
[10:41] <merc> woo, ok, i've got my hostap drivers compiled and installed, how do i make ubuntu understand "use hostap instead of the orinoco you're currently loading" ?
[10:41] <macerata> I've had two problems so far: (1) firefox crashes with flash, (2) I can't get the codecs as stated in the unofficial guide
[10:41] <rj`> Seveas: so how would one fix this?
[10:41] <Seveas> rj`, by the way: samba in backports is fine too...
[10:41] <xliu> If i set PATH in /etc/environment, will the variable conflict with PATH in bash.bashrc?
[10:42] <HeMan> Hi! Is maintainers interrested in bug-reports even though that im running breezy? I know i won't have the same relyabillity as Hoary, thanks
[10:42] <macerata> I'm still looking around for solutions.  No rush, though.  This is the best distro I've tried by a long shot
[10:42] <rj`> Seveas: i get 404 forbidden trying to use backports
[10:42] <rj`> perhaps theres a new repoistory url
[10:42] <rj`> ?
[10:42] <Seveas> rj`, try another mirror then
[10:42] <Seveas> see backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[10:42] <HeMan> I'm not interrested in getting support, i'd just like to help
[10:42] <Seveas> macerata, unofficial guide sucks
[10:43] <Seveas> macerata: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[10:43] <levander> Firetech: i ran the sensors-detech script, nothing blew up, now, can  you tell me how to see my temps?
[10:43] <macerata> OK
[10:43] <macerata> Cheers
[10:43] <Seveas> and codecs can be downloaded from mplayerhq.hu
[10:43] <Rounin> Hm, I'm a bit confused... I've noticed that apt-get has a "source" action which downloads a package's source...   Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong
[10:44] <HeMan> Seveas: Suspend to ram doesn't work on the 2.6.12 kernel
[10:44] <rj`> Seveas: not 403 the repository works fine -- but it stil says the package samba is broke
[10:44] <hramrach> hehe, the cd validation feature looks like good thing for testing cd-rom :)
[10:44] <HeMan> Seveas: It works fine with 2.6.10
[10:45] <merc> right now i have a wifi card plugged into my pcmcia slot -- ubuntu is loading orinoco drivers for it, which is not what i want -- i have compiled and installed the hostap drivers, how do i instruct ubuntu to load them, and not load the orinoco drivers?
[10:45] <Seveas> HeMan, known issue
[10:45] <Juhaz> signius, just check off "enable sound server startup" from gnome sound preferences
[10:45] <xiaomai> has anyone tried composite/RenderAccel on an nvidia card... it seems to be wildly unstable
[10:45] <Seveas> rj`, the IGN makes no difference
[10:46] <HeMan> Seveas: Ok, i'll just stay with 2.6.10 and file no bug-report then
[10:46] <njan> on a completely new Sony vaio laptop, hoary picks up the (presumably sata) hard disk and partitions it, but it fails when installing the base system, beacuse it can't copy files to the disk.. it doesn't appear to be a disk problem (I can write files from the console using busybox just fine), or a CD problem with those files (burnt a second CD, same error).. anyone any ideas?
[10:46] <Seveas> rj`,  I installed samba from bacports just fine yesterday
[10:46] <berkes> does anyone know how I can stop the x server?
[10:46] <Seveas> (or maybe the day before that..)
[10:46] <LokeDK> I was wondering, with f.ex amule and xmule .. it looks very ugly.. I think it's some sort of system theme.. it's grey etc... is there a way to change it? it's like that in serveral of application
[10:46] <signius> where can i find that
[10:46] <hramrach> merc: easiest: ermove the orinoco drivers :)
[10:46] <Seveas> berkes, sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[10:46] <hramrach> remove
[10:47] <signius> there doesnt appear to be anything like that under sound & video
[10:47] <berkes> Seveas: .... when using kde :)
[10:47] <ccc> LokeDK: you're probably talking about gtk1
[10:47] <Seveas> signius, system -> prefs ->sound
[10:47] <orhs> how do i get the new version of firefox via the apt-get install command?
[10:47] <Seveas> signius, 'disable sound server startup'
[10:47] <zyth> njan, you sure it's SATA?
[10:47] <ccc> LokeDK: there is some tweaking tips in the forums, search for it
[10:47] <merc> hramrach: lol, thanks :)
[10:47] <Seveas> orhs, FF in ubuntu is 1.0.4 in disguise
[10:47] <HeMan> btw, i've been running Fedora Core 3 at work and it is more unstable than Breezy...
[10:47] <ccc> LokeDK: but gtk1 IS ugly. :\
[10:48] <levander> Firetech: any suggestion for a client that will update a UI with information read from lm-sensors?
[10:48] <merc> iirc there's a file that has the driver->card relation thing
[10:48] <levander> Firetech: all i see is WindowMaker dock applets
[10:48] <Firetech> levander: there is ksensors for kubuntu
[10:48] <Firetech> I.E. KDE
[10:49] <LokeDK> ccc, oh.. no way to change gtk1 theme?
[10:49] <Firetech> phpsysinfo can also read lm-sensors info
[10:49] <levander> Firetech: nothing for gnome?
[10:49] <Seveas> gdesklets?
[10:49] <cmarqu> seb128: Cool, the GTK packages work fine. But apart from the color wheel in gtk-demo, I didn't notice any difference yet.
[10:49] <hramrach> LokeDK: there should be gtk-theme-switch
[10:49] <xiaomai> FireEgl, gkrellm
[10:49] <levander> Firetech: hoping for something that updates like every couple of seconds of so, not something web based like phpsysinfo probably is
[10:50] <coolkev> HeMan: ain't Fedora Core 3 likea final release and suppose to be stable
[10:50] <zyth> njan, hello?
[10:50] <hramrach> or something like that
[10:50] <Firetech> levander: I use KSensors.
[10:50] <LokeDK> hramrach, I've tried that.. all the themes are the same.. odd.. gtk-theme-switch2 works.. but that's gtk2
[10:50] <ccc> LokeDK: i started using linux quite recently, and i'm avoiding old gtk1 apps because of it's ugliness (such as xmms). :)
[10:50] <coolkev> and it's suppose to be one of the top distro since it's particially sponsered and supported by redhat
[10:50] <zyth> njan, do you usually ask questions then wander off?
[10:50] <HeMan> coolkev: yepp!
[10:50] <metzen> ccc: have you tried beep-media-player ?
[10:50] <macerata> thanks Seveas.  It worked!
[10:50] <Firetech> levander: I KNOW that there are similar things for gnome.
[10:51] <Rounin> Has anyone gotten mplayer to work with AC3 sound? Is there a way?
[10:51] <levander> i'm gonna check out gdesklets like seveas suggested, ksensors wants to install too many libraries for me
[10:51] <HeMan> coolkev: and amazingly low quality...
[10:51] <Rounin> The binary packages don't even link to liba52
[10:51] <zyth> Rounin, CVS myplayer does it I think.
[10:51] <njan> zyth, sorry
[10:51] <levander> Firetech: but you don't know the name of top of head?
[10:51] <njan> zyth, was trying something with debootstrap ;)
[10:51] <Firetech> levander:  no
[10:51] <coolkev> humm
[10:51] <zyth> njan, np.  Go into your BIOS and see if you can change AHCI to ATA for the SATA drive
[10:51] <Vjaz> ccc, but isn't most of XMMS custom anyways?
[10:51] <LokeDK> ccc, yeah... but xmule and amule.. can't avoid it :/
[10:51] <njan> zyth, ah, ty
[10:51] <ccc> metzen: yes, i'm using bmp (when listening to a single track or so, otherwise amaroK beats them all :)).
[10:51] <njan> zyth, not completely, it's an educated guess based on a dell laptop which had similar problems with a warty CD and had a sata drive - and this one appears in hoary as /dev/sda
[10:51] <Vjaz> ccc, or do you specifically mean the settings windows etc
[10:52] <Rounin> zyth: CVS mplayer? But the regular versions of mplayer do it fine on both gentoo and Fedora Core 4... Does it mean they build from CVS?
[10:52] <Juhaz> coolkev, fc3 (and more recently, fc4) is well enough, although it has it's warts like any other distro
[10:52] <ccc> LokeDK: isn't the latest aMule using gtk2?
[10:52] <Vjaz> I use Gnome and I still use amaroK because it's so good.
[10:52] <zyth> Rounin, they're probably more updated versions of mplayer.  Ubuntu (iirc) releases in 6 month blocks.
[10:52] <Vjaz> Well, better than Rhythmbox anyways.
[10:52] <njan> zyth, I don't see any options for anything like that whatsoever.
[10:52] <Vjaz> Or Muin.
[10:52] <coolkev> Juhaz are u a user of it?
[10:52] <Vjaz> Muin.*
[10:52] <Vjaz> Muine*
[10:52] <zyth> njan, hurm :/  Notebook model please?