[06:26] <rapidsp> kde wonna upgrade now?
[06:26] <thelionroars> are you on 12.04 rapidsp?
[06:26] <rapidsp> will be some troubles?
[06:26] <rapidsp> thelionroars: 12.10 + backports
[06:26] <thelionroars> should be fine
[06:26] <thelionroars> ok, not sure what you are upgrading to then
[06:27] <rapidsp> ok, let me type "yes"! )))
[06:29] <TheLordOfTime> rapidsp, erm, what're you trying to accomplish?
[06:29] <TheLordOfTime> you want to be on 13.04 or something?
[06:30] <rapidsp> no, its just kubuntu backports
[06:31] <rapidsp> now kde 4.9.3. lets see after upgrading :)
[06:45] <rapidsp> it was just bug fixing imho )
[08:44] <du_> Hello users, I hope you are fit today! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[08:47] <thelionroars> I am doing my armchair calisthenetics as we speak
[08:48] <du_> Who`re in the net for interesting in the chat?????????????????????????????? :-))))))))))))))
[08:54] <du_> Hey thelionroars, it`s the best way to be fit in the highest age, may be 100! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[09:02] <du_> Hey thelionsleep, don`t fall down from your armchair!  You can get a heavy accident by the crash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :-§
[09:05] <du_> thelionsleep = thelionsleeps
[09:18] <du_> Hello John_ , are you behind online? I`m waiting for because of your plasmatrouble! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[09:39] <vbgunz> this room usually has 1000+ people. did the last update break ubuntu? I keep getting dropped to an initramfs prompt and I just cann't get into my system. can anyone here help?
[09:39] <vbgunz> I thought I was in #ubuntu
[09:40] <thelionroars> lol
[09:44] <m477> how can I change cpu clock during kde session? (ofc I have mobile version of cpu)
[09:45] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[09:48] <du_> Hey m477, you should never change your cpu clock, because you`ll overclock your cpu everytime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-§
[09:51] <du_> Hey vbgunz, you` re online and that mean you`re in your system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[09:52] <vbgunz> du_: no
[09:52] <m477> du_: but I want to downgrade it
[09:54] <m477> du_: on gnome I had  widged which had been allowing me to change cpu clock between three modes like 900/1xxx/2200MHz
[09:54] <m477> but it was long time ago, now I cant recall name of it
[09:57] <du_> vbgunz, I think that you visit someone of your friends, isn`t?      :-|    m477 you should call the service of ubuntu!
[09:59] <du_> Hey users, I have to leave the net now and I`ll be back in the eve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!have a lot of fun in the meantime!    Bye!
[10:27] <vbgunz> thank god for btrfs-restore. I'm not messing with btrfs though I can't blame it for me to initramfs (maybe it did), this is just the second time I couldn't boot up and I am attributing btrfs to contributing to my bad luck
[12:00] <vitimiti> (·_·)/
[12:02] <lordievader> Hey vitimiti, how are you?
[12:03] <vitimiti> fine
[12:03] <vitimiti> first day in kubuntu
[12:05] <lordievader> vitimiti: Ohh!! And do you like it?
[12:05] <vitimiti> i do, i do
[12:06] <lordievader> vitimiti: Good to hear :)
[12:06] <vitimiti> though i find kontact pretty strange, i have to get used to it
[12:35] <Soul_Sample> does anyone know how to propely set up Kmail to use imap gmail and not create duplicate messages?
[12:46] <rork> Soul_Sample: what do you mean by duplicate messages?
[12:47] <Soul_Sample> when I get an email it shows up in multiple folders at the same time. I think it has something to do with my gmail filters, but can't wrap my head around it. for example when I get an email from facebook, it appears in both the Inbox folders and Facebook folders, and I have to mark it as read twice
[12:47] <vitimiti> does it appear in incoming, important...?
[12:47] <vitimiti> repeated in several folders of gmail?
[12:51] <Soul_Sample> yes
[12:51] <Soul_Sample> i wouldn't mind if it became read in all of them at once, but i have to read them all one by one
[12:51] <vitimiti> that happens in gmail, in thunderbird, in kmail... that's because if they are marked as important, they'll appear in incoming and important
[12:52] <vitimiti> i would eliminate the folder, though i don't know if that'll work
[13:35] <jazzkutya> hi
[13:36] <jazzkutya> everytime i receive a message on xchat or skype there is a notification in systray and something steals my focus
[13:36] <jazzkutya> this stealing of focus is annoying as hell, what can i do with it?
[13:52] <jazzkutya> now comeon this is really annoying
[13:52] <jazzkutya> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/12/please-dont-steal-my-focus.html
[13:52] <jazzkutya> linux don't want to be annoying like windows i guess :)
[13:52] <jazzkutya> *doesn't
[13:55] <qwm> hello all
[13:56] <jazzkutya> even setting focus stealing prevention level to Extreme does not help
[13:57] <qwm> i am install Linux and upgrade but i would like disable one function
[13:57] <qwm> this function is identify on system
[13:59] <qwm> I would like to disable the function of authentication in the system since a mouse is inactive set time
[14:11] <bartson> How do I install fonts in kubuntu?
[14:15] <sharif> kubuntu 12.10 OR ubuntu 12.04 OR mint 14
[14:16] <sharif> which one?
[14:19] <bartson> kubuntu 12.10
[14:23] <sharif> which one uses less power? kubuntu 12.10 OR ubuntu 12.04?
[14:24] <sharif> My laptop is old, which one uses less memory? kde or unity?
[14:25] <thelionroars> not sure there is much difference
[14:26] <thelionroars> if it's 1GB or under you could consider something lightweight like Awesome, fluxbox, etc
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:26] <thelionroars> \o
[14:26] <sharif> it's 3 Gb, but I need to run Qt creator, and chrome, and a media player at the same time
[14:27] <thelionroars> 3 Gb should be fine
[14:28] <thelionroars> If you are running Qt creator, and because I enjoy Kubuntu 12.10 so much, I would suggest going with Kubuntu
[14:28] <sharif> Is it possible to customize kde in a way to make it look like unity??
[14:29] <sharif> global menu
[14:29] <sharif> launcher
[14:29] <thelionroars> I don't know :)
[14:29] <sharif> it is sufficiently placed in unity,
[14:29] <sharif> I mean no space is wasted
[14:30] <sharif> caption bar is not useful
[14:30] <sharif> and "height" is more important than "weight" in wide screen lcds..
[14:30] <Tm_T> sharif: I cannot see how you couldn't make KDE to look and act like Unity
[14:30] <BluesKaj> sharif, most ppl here aren't interested in unity
[14:31] <thelionroars> If you mean the lower panel, you can change it to a side panel in KDE. But you might be better off with Unity if you are impressed by it.
[14:31] <thelionroars> 3GB should be fine to run quite a few things
[14:31] <sharif> I don't like gnome
[14:32] <thelionroars> don't use it then :)
[14:32] <sharif> unity is buggy and crashy and memory leak is every where
[14:32] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is kde , if you like brown and ornage colours , I'm sre you can find some themes
[14:33] <BluesKaj> err orange
[14:33] <sharif> is "global menu" available in kde?
[14:33] <sharif> I need a way to remove caption bar
[14:33] <thelionroars> I'm guessing sharif means more the side panel. Not sure what global menu is sorry
[14:33] <Tm_T> sharif: I cannot see how you couldn't make KDE to look and act like Unity
[14:33] <Tm_T> ^
[14:33] <thelionroars> by caption bar do you mean the panel at the bottom in KDE?
[14:34] <Tm_T> so yes, including menus
[14:34] <sharif> no, the bar at the top of the window, where the name of window is written
[14:34] <BluesKaj> sharif, system settings?
[14:34] <sharif> the caption
[14:34] <jazzkutya> Tm_T: can i make it not act like a jerk and not steal focus from me? :)
[14:35] <thelionroars> I haven't seen a way of removing the title bar on windows in KDE that wasn't awkward to use
[14:35] <thelionroars> title bar = 'caption bar'
[14:35] <Tm_T> jazzkutya: in KDE there is configuration on focus stealing prevention, you can even adjust how aggressive it is
[14:35] <jazzkutya> Tm_T: tried it, did not fix the problem with xchat and skype notifications but made other stuff worse
[14:35] <BluesKaj> sharif, you don't seem to understand ,, we're not usin gnome or unity , so what you describe is foreign to us
[14:36] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: it's not foreign to me though
[14:36] <thelionroars> BluesKaj I think sharif does have KDE installed, or maybe I'm wrong?
[14:36] <Tm_T> so no need to be hostile (:
[14:36] <sharif> I'm a software developer
[14:36] <jazzkutya> i guess my problem may be related to taskmanager highlighting the window button that produces the notification bu im not sure
[14:36] <sharif> so I know some foriegn
[14:37] <sharif> "caption bar" is used under windows programming
[14:37] <sharif> :)
[14:37] <sharif> I use kde at work.
[14:37] <sharif> unity at home
[14:37] <jazzkutya> the strange thing is that stolen focus is not in the window needing attention but somewhere else, maybe task manager widget
[14:38] <jazzkutya> really annoying as hell
[14:38] <sharif> Ok, so. basically you are saying that you are ok with the way that kde handle the window layout?!
[14:38] <thelionroars> for me, definitely
[14:39] <sharif> do you know why firefox removed menubar?
[14:39] <thelionroars> on a small screen I might have problems
[14:39] <sharif> because more workspace is needed
[14:39] <thelionroars> my laptop is 15.6" so no real problem there
[14:39] <jazzkutya> press F12 for ff workspace problems :)
[14:39] <sharif> that's why unity has done that, (left side launcher and global menu)
[14:39] <jazzkutya> sorry, F11
[14:40] <sharif> I think we can optimize the layout.
[14:42] <Ogdoade> hi. what can i install to open mkv or divx files ?
[14:42] <jazzkutya> are there hidden options in kde like there are in gnome (gconf)? i've escaped to kde from gnome backwards development or removing features :)
[14:42] <Ogdoade> i've got an asus 1101ha.
[14:42] <jazzkutya> s/or/of/
[14:43] <vitimiti> o/
[14:44] <sharif> for example the Quassel IRC: a status bar that has nothing in it!!! a "title bar" which has only a small text in it!!!  a menu bar that has only four words, and the rest is empty, a tool bar that is half empty,
[14:44] <sharif> that's waste
[14:44] <sharif> that's what i mean
[14:44] <thelionroars> sharif you can get rid of the titlebar by right clicking a window and selecting "no border". If you need to do a window operation after that, you can use the Alt+F3 shortcut whiile the window has focus, like the popup will tell you
[14:44] <sharif> less space for the real workspace~~
[14:46] <jazzkutya> blah
[14:47] <jazzkutya> removing the task manager widget solves my problem
[14:47] <OerHeks> sharif, send in your global menu idea >> https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=83
[14:47] <jazzkutya> so will have to stick with icon-only task manager
[14:47] <sharif> thelionroars, that's a good idea, look the way firefox and chrome had changed the UI, and also unity, so, you see that people like to have more space for thier workspace
[14:48] <u19809> hi all, anybody here that can help with openoffice ? It only shows the proper style of the presentation if I press F5 and not when I design.
[14:48] <OerHeks> sharif, i think it is handy on netbooks with less height screen
[14:48] <OerHeks> else i find it confusing
[14:49] <thelionroars> You will miss some information using that, eg. the title on web pages which is normally where an OS will display it.
[14:49] <sharif> OerHeks, exactly, we need more height, because screen these days are wide!
[14:50] <thelionroars> true, they used to be much boxier
[14:50] <sharif> thelionroars, no, look how unity had handled that, menus are hidden and you have title bar, you move your mouse over that, and menus appear and title bar disappear...
[14:51] <thelionroars> I will have to have a look at Unity sometime
[14:51] <sharif> look at G+, it has a stream which is not that wide! but very long!, so more height will be really helpful when surfing... you know..
[14:52] <thelionroars> no I agree, KDE could be handling the vertical space for windows better
[14:52] <BluesKaj> sharif, have you considered quick launchers in the panel
[14:52] <sharif> Unity has some programming problems and not mature, I like Kde because of maturity and customizability... but unity has some points...
[14:53] <thelionroars> I love KDE more and more the more I use it :)
[14:53] <OerHeks> again, sharif, send in your global menu idea >> https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=83
[14:53] <jazzkutya> shadeslayer: there is a widget that can do osx style global menus if i understand you well
[14:53] <jazzkutya> shadeslayer: it's "window menubar"
[14:54] <jazzkutya> sharif: these were meant for you
[14:55] <sharif> jazzkutya, Thanks, I will check it out. and the quick launcher BluesKaj said
[14:56] <sharif> thelionroars, thanks
[14:56] <sharif> OerHeks, thanks
[14:56] <thelionroars> oh, no problem
[14:58] <jazzkutya> now i'm wondering why do i had to remove the task manager widget to solve the lost focus problem... it's like removeing the taskbar on windows, zomg
[14:58] <sharif> I found something: http://maketecheasier.com/give-kde-desktop-ubuntu-makeover/2011/11/23
[15:06] <du_> Hello users, I`m back online! What do you think about using internet with usb tethering over prepaid smartphone and laptop kubuntu 11.04?  :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))!
[15:07] <lordievader> !offtopic | du
[15:10] <jazzkutya> du_: why not wifi hotspot by the smartphone?
[15:11] <InspectorCluseau> A clean desktop is a happy desktop > http://s1297.beta.photobucket.com/user/InspectorCluseau/media/snapshot1.png.html?sort=3&o=0
[15:12] <jazzkutya> or boring :) but that's a matter of tase
[15:12] <jazzkutya> taste
[15:13] <du_> Thanks for the information, friends! I change now the channel! and answer the last question to jazzkutya! I dislike wireless wlan, because of broadcasting problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:14] <jazzkutya> du_: ok, thx
[15:16] <qwm> help me please
[15:16] <Belial`> InspectorCluseau, http://i.imgur.com/6FMLp.png bam
[15:16] <lordievader> !ask | qwm
[15:17] <InspectorCluseau> too much junk on the bottom ;)
[15:17] <qwm> I would like to disable the function of authentication in the system since a mouse is inactive set time
[15:22] <poudly> кто-то спик рус?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> well ,it's not junk if it's useful
[15:22] <rork> !ru | poudly
[15:23] <poudly> /join #ubuntu-ru
[15:23] <jazzkutya> whoa
[15:24] <poudly> i need help.. i have problem in kubuntu 12.10
[15:25] <rork> poudly: please just state you're problem, if someone knows the answer he'll respond
[15:28] <poudly> at leaving the system or reboot kubuntu 12.10  I see kwine error window
[15:33] <BluesKaj> prou the kwin error, can you give us a clue about what the error says
[15:34] <BluesKaj> poudly,
[15:34] <OerHeks> is there a twitter client for kubuntu, besides choqok ?
[15:35] <OerHeks> kopete does not have an instance for twitter, or i am not looking goos
[15:35] <OerHeks> *good
[15:35] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, twitter client ? ..why not just use the site
[15:36] <OerHeks> well, chrome is making my system anoyingly slow when i have messages waiting,
[15:36] <BluesKaj> guess that just shows my ignorance of twitter
[15:38] <jazzkutya> hmm text rendering of xchat is slow
[17:54] <dougl> so quiet in here you can even hear a 'ping' drop...
[17:55]  * sixil listens to the ping drops.
[17:55]  * Peace- ignores the ping drops
[18:08] <vbgunz> the instant messaging application prompts me on every reboot to accept or deny a contact request. Today probably marks the 10th time I've denied the contact. Why could this be happening on every reboot?
[18:10] <Peace-> vbgunz: cuz it doesn't save your choice
[18:11] <vbgunz> is this by design or is it a bug?
[18:11] <vbgunz> am I missing something?
[18:12] <Peace-> probably a bug
[19:43] <cfsalguero> Hello. I'm Carlos from Argentina. I was wondering if can someone help me with something. It's a simple thing
[19:44] <bazhang> cfsalguero, ask the channel and see
[19:44] <OerHeks> :-)
[19:45] <cfsalguero> I noticed since kde 4.9 I cannot use ALT+4 to swtich windows. While I'm in a konsole with 4 or more open tabs I can use Alt+1, Alt+2 Alt+n to switch to the n-th tab
[19:45] <cfsalguero> but Alt+4 doesn't work. The same in the web browsers...
[19:48] <smj> I have screensaver disabled and and power saving disabled but still my screen keeps going black after a while. is there some daemon I need to kill?
[19:49] <cfsalguero> Sorry, I meant to say switch tabs instead of windows. Alt+4 is not wirking to switch to the 4th tab in konsole or web browsers
[19:50] <valerio> ciao a tutti
[19:50] <valerio> !list
[20:02] <cfsalguero> no one experiencing the same issue?
[22:26] <Catbuntu> Hi
[23:08] <kdeputer> hello... I'm having trouble with the install... I'm wondering if something is wrong
[23:42] <Catbuntu> hi


[01:19] <Vioscar> Hola a todos, una pregunta, o mejor creo que es un bug, cuando instalo phpmyadmin, apache deja de funcionar... a alguien mas le ha pasado?
[01:20] <jbicha> !es
[01:21] <Vioscar> Hi all, a question, or better I think is a bug, when I install phpmyadmin, apache stops working ... someone else has happened?
[01:22] <jbicha> that's probably better asked in a more generic channel like #ubuntu; this channel is for gnome discussion
[01:22] <Vioscar> Only happens with this version of ubuntu.. is weird...
[01:23] <Vioscar> Im used in lamp setup in ubuntu from 6.06... but this version (gnome remix) is problem...
[01:24] <Vioscar> just want to know if this happened to someone from here
[01:24] <Vioscar> My procedure is a fresh install of Ubuntu gnome remix
[01:25] <Vioscar> upgrade the sistem, install lamp server with tasksel... here apache works fine
[01:25] <Vioscar> but when install phpmyadmin, apache not works... restart, start, are always fails
[16:37] <draky> hello


[02:22] <pcluser> Hello,  I want to use the transcoding features of mythtv. After a recording, I can edit out commercials, then it gives me a menu to transcode low, medium, high.
[02:23] <pcluser> I know haow to use handbrake or womble stuff to work with my videos manually.
[02:23] <pcluser> I want to know how to set up the mythtv gui to allow a wife to do it.
[02:25] <pcluser> I am ok with linux cli (PCLinuxOS advocate), I dare you to make it wife usable. (She uses pclos, and is not afraid of gui's but cli is out of range at the moment for her).
[02:26] <pcluser> The backend setup menu has places to put stuff, but the wiki and docs don't show much. As I type, I'm trying things, but they fail. Thanks.. I am logging this window, but will check in often.
[02:27] <pcluser> A drunken monky procedure would be nice, but just point me to urls is ok.
[02:28]  * pcluser listens
[03:47] <pcluser> hello
[03:59] <bkelly> pcluser, there's a transcode button in the mythweb interface
[04:03] <pcluser_afk> hi bkelly
[04:03] <bkelly> hi
[04:04] <bkelly> BTW, I am new to mythbuntu ... only converted over from mythdora a few months back
[04:06] <pcluser_afk> after  you edit, there is a choice to transcode... also a bug or something when I re-installed  a problem where the "transcode" hung, it said to at least check the lossless box. I want to set up the 3 transcode options in the menu, I can be clearer, bear with me.
[04:07] <pcluser_afk> Wow, I still have scars from mythdora, my first myth attemt in '03.. not their fault, we need to bbe geekier there I think.
[04:10] <pcluser_afk> bkelly,  so you are saying do it from the web interface, not the menu on the gui? OK, I didn't know that, that is a good option.
[04:11] <bkelly> yea - i do pretty much everything from the web interface
[04:12] <bkelly> i just find it easier and faster and almost always have a laptop or tablet in front of me anyway
[04:12] <pcluser_afk> so I can pick a recorded show, and choose the three quality options? does it edit the commercials too?
[04:12] <bkelly> last time i did it it removed them - as long as they were marked
[04:12] <pcluser_afk> wow
[04:12] <bkelly> mind you - haven't tried it since i upgraded to 0.25
[04:13] <pcluser_afk> can you give me a dunken monkey procedure, and why isn't this in the wiki?
[04:13] <pcluser_afk> *drunken
[04:14] <bkelly> lol - not sure re wiki - i guess us as users need to go write more stuff there more often :-)
[04:14] <bkelly> so u want step by step procedure that's not going to scare your wife?
[04:15] <pcluser_afk> actually just tell me how to do it on mythweb
[04:16] <pcluser_afk> and i will be all over you like a loose suit to tell you how t fix anything in your house with my 50yrs experience.
[04:19] <bkelly> lol - tks - there's a transcode button on the individual recording pages under Recorded Programs tab
[04:19] <bkelly> bugger - my myth box just fell over when i pressed it
[04:20] <pcluser_afk> but I think you have to set it up first... looking
[04:21] <pcluser_afk> yes, but they are not set up to any commands
[04:22] <pcluser_afk> For the bug, I set up transcode to lossless checkbox, at least it does not hang, but i want to transcode to other than regular quality.
[04:23] <bkelly> hmm
[04:23] <pcluser_afk> bkelly,  it sounds you don't know more than I do, and I appreciate the help, don't pull your hair out.
[04:24] <pcluser_afk> nice you try to help here...
[04:24] <pcluser_afk> what do you use your mythtv for?
[04:25] <pcluser_afk> I love mine since '03, and use hdhomerun tuners.
[04:26] <bkelly> yea - i don;t - i did get this to work once before - will let u know next time i do get it to work
[04:26] <pcluser_afk> I copied my mythicDRAGON V1.0 BOX OVER TO A 20 DOLLAR YARD SALE BOX OF 3 YRS OLD
[04:27] <bkelly> i use mythtv as media centre for all TV's in the house
[04:27] <bkelly> videos, TV recordings & music
[04:27] <pcluser_afk> excuse the caps, i would be lost without mythtv for off-air channels.
[04:28] <bkelly> been using it for 5 years or so now - love it
[04:29] <bkelly> i haven't tried homerun tuners, just use standard hd terrestrial dvb
[04:29] <pcluser_afk> Apple tv of course would be 10% of the features we mythtv people know, and all the sheep will think it is the bee's knees.
[04:29] <bkelly> lol - yup, indeed
[04:30] <bkelly> i would like to use myth for iptv but my internet not yet fast enough
[04:31] <pcluser_afk> hdhr is great for me, linux lover here, but hdhr sees to set up ok on windows boxes, i sugggest looking for some on ebay, they just fell into myth stuff, where i lost hair on pchdtv products.
[04:32] <pcluser_afk> tell me ore about myth and iptv, you mean amazon or netflix, or just local lan video playing?
[04:34]  * pcluser_afk should correct typos
[04:35] <bkelly> yea - i only have linux - no windows for me :-)
[04:35] <pcluser> PCLinuxOS is my bag
[04:35] <bkelly> iptv is just tv broadcast over internet rather than RF - like shoutcast ... its coming
[04:36] <pcluser> but they messed up their repo on the latest livecd install disk
[04:36] <bkelly> i haven't tried that distro
[04:36] <bkelly> oh?
[04:36] <pcluser> yeah,  a repeo setting
[04:37] <pcluser> should be kde rather than kde4 line in the adress or something
[04:38] <pcluser> if you d/l their latest livecd iso, it will not update from the repo
[04:39] <pcluser> other than that, it is a bulletproof tested os if you want your machine to run anyting important, I use it it at aq large observatory
[04:40] <bkelly> ok - will keep that in mind for my next server project
[04:40] <bkelly> deb or rpm based?
[04:41] <pcluser> stuff has to be proved first. Mythbuntu, like ubuntu likes t play with new things, I don't object to that, just keep it in mind.
[04:42] <pcluser> pclinuxos uses synaptic and rpm, but it think is looking into replacing synaptic.
[04:42] <pcluser> *I
[04:43] <pcluser> usually compared to or is thought from mandriva, but was forked loooong ago, totally it's own distro.
[04:45] <bkelly> ok
[04:46] <pcluser> they even play with mythtv, but my Dragon box was well running from 2003 till power failure, and I just put it in 20.00 yard sale box.
[04:46] <pcluser> I think ubuntu is 800 lb bully, but any linux is good linux in my book.
[04:47] <pcluser> and i trust it more than mac/wintel/ms folks
[04:48] <pcluser> have a imac here with cheap blown caps from college, apple wants 700. to fix
[04:49] <pcluser> I volunteer engineering at raio station, I hope i can get 200.00 to fix
[04:50] <pcluser> seeing I have a few thousand invested in bench equipment.
[04:51] <bkelly> wow - good luck
[04:52] <pcluser> so what do you get your video from?
[04:54] <pcluser> I mean tuner, or if off cable, or even isp like netkix
[04:55] <bkelly> tuner cards - leadtech ones
[04:56] <pcluser> btw I am not into pirating, but we need to fight the media companies owning our government
[04:56] <bkelly> have 1 dual dvb-t and 1 hybrid
[04:56]  * pcluser jumps off soapbox
[04:57] <pcluser> so you record off cable co?
[04:57] <pcluser> or off air?
[04:57] <bkelly> off the air
[04:57] <pcluser> cool, like me
[04:58] <pcluser> wife dropped irectv, 61.00 usd a month, and there is plenty of content.
[04:58] <bkelly> not much cable available here in Australia - most cable is satelite - or over the air
[04:58] <pcluser> I must admit, not off air yet
[04:59] <pcluser> we pay basic cable, but I have other hdhr tuner and antennas in attic for testing.
[05:00] <pcluser> stations are in different directions, so we pay minimal cable, but i am sick of it.
[05:00] <bkelly> ps: once my transcoding profiles got setup i am now able to kick off a transcode job from mythweb
[05:01] <pcluser> ok, I'm going to mythweb, tell me how to pick out a recording and transcode it.
[05:02] <bkelly> so go to Recorded Programs
[05:02] <bkelly> and click on  any recording
[05:02] <pcluser> how do you set it up, and where do you put it? I am now looking, so don't answer yet.
[05:04] <bkelly> didn't do any setup - i am assuming it picked the auto-detect profile
[05:04] <pcluser> ok,
[05:05] <bkelly> and also assume it will replace the original
[05:05] <pcluser>  somewhere i set up a job to transcode experiment 1
[05:05] <bkelly> it is currently encoding to the same location (/var/lib/mythtv/recordings)
[05:05] <bkelly> into a the same filename with ".tmp" appended
[05:05] <pcluser> i picked it,
[05:05] <pcluser> ok
[05:05] <bkelly> ok
[05:06] <pcluser> I tink i need to explore the web interface more than wiki
[05:07] <pcluser> ok, i retract the wife friendly need.
[05:08] <bkelly> mythtv    2654  2653 91 14:57 ?        00:09:18 /usr/bin/mythtranscode -j 93 --profile autodetect --verbose general --loglevel info --syslog local7
[05:08] <bkelly> so definitely chose autodetect profile
[05:09] <pcluser> The menu in the mythtv frontend prompts you to transcode in 3 seetngs after editing, i guess that is a "feature to be" i'll use the web interface.
[05:09] <pcluser> Like Meade telescopes, they should take out unused lines from the menu if it is not enabled.
[05:10] <bkelly> those profiles are definitely there in the setup - perhaps you need to run through them from mythtv-setup to enable?
[05:12] <pcluser> so you are saying, in the latest mythtv jobs/ whatever that set it to autodetect?
[05:13] <pcluser> ok, i am fading, i will look at this log in morning, i didn't want to do auto stuff, but will try.
[05:14] <pcluser> thanks bkelly
[05:14] <pcluser> going into lala land
[05:17] <bkelly> ok - bye


[01:29] <mup> Issue operator#918 opened: Improve open_port / close_port docs <documentation> <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/918>
[03:28] <mup> Issue operator#917 closed: Harness filesystem mock for machine charms? <Created by sed-i> <Closed by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/917>


[10:01] <czajkowski> ebel: wwould http://www.evoluent.com/vm3.html  be of any use to you
[10:25] <ebel> czajkowski: yeah I've used on of those mice for about 2½ years ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/rorymccann/5595018202/ ) great things
[10:25] <ebel> Though I've just bought a trackball, so am trying that aswell
[10:28] <puffisocks> anyone using three.ie ?
[10:31] <tdr112> puffisocks: i use them
[10:31] <puffisocks> tdr112: happy with the service?
[10:32] <tdr112> with the plan i am on yes
[10:32] <czajkowski> I use them when at home also
[10:32] <czajkowski> I do find coverage is rather hit and miss f you're not in dublin though
[10:32] <tdr112> i use a lot of data on it and never a problem
[10:33] <puffisocks> yea data useage is my main concern, figured as it's unlimited there maybe some congestion issues
[10:33] <tdr112> i found it grand in dublin , have not tested it outside of that much
[10:33] <puffisocks> would rather not get caught in a long contract for something not reliable
[10:33] <tdr112> puffisocks: i have done 40 in one month before and no problem , i do notice it is faster at night
[10:35] <tdr112> puffisocks: i am on a sim only rolling 30 day contract
[10:40] <puffisocks> is there still a tethering block
[10:44] <tdr112> i have never seen one , i am with them a year or so , and i tether all the time , just looking at my phone now i have done just under 8gb tethering over the last 30 days
[10:46] <puffisocks> ah the block only came in jan 2012
[10:46] <puffisocks> just seen it now


[00:15] <toddc> ubuntu disabled lxc server support in the Kernal so I had to switch KVM :(   misses LXC containers but did not want to mess with swapping kernals
[01:46] <thafreak> wha?
[01:46] <thafreak> which version of ubuntu? i was playing with lxc in 12.04
[03:00] <Unit193> Update from the release team. Debian 8.0, the release that will come after Wheezy, will be known as Jessie.
[03:11] <paultag> a bit late to the party :)
[03:11] <paultag> I twitted that afternoon
[03:12] <yano> anyone going to PyOhio tomorrow?
[03:31] <Unit193> paultag: Yeah, but you didn't say it here. ;)
[03:41] <paultag> Unit193: :)


[05:19] (AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: I just realized that you advocated kchmviewer, thanks !
[05:19] (bddebian/#ubuntu-motu) NP
[05:19] (AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: I done the fixes that you & daemon suggested
[05:20] (bddebian/#ubuntu-motu) Ah, cool
[05:20] (AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: I just re-uploaded it & I would appreciate reviewing it again
[05:20] (AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: who is daemon btw ?
[05:20] (AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) what is his nick I mean
[05:20] (AnAnt/#ubuntu-motu) bddebian: oh btw, did you have a look at archmage ?
[05:20] (bddebian/#ubuntu-motu) AnAnt: Not again yet no. Sorry, RL job is killing me the last couple of days :-(
[05:20] <AnAnt> what is RL job ?
[05:21] <AnAnt> RL=real life /
[05:21] <AnAnt> ?
[05:21] <bddebian> Aye
[05:21] <AnAnt> I'm on a vacation since 2 weeks, hence I am doing a lot of packaging work :)
[05:21] <AnAnt> well, I'm supposed to study for masters actually
[05:22] <AnAnt> anyways, I got a question
[05:22] <AnAnt> daemon said that I should use Conflicts in the control file
[05:22] <AnAnt> does that mean that I should also remove the Replaces: ?
[05:22] <AnAnt> or I can have both?
[05:24] <bddebian> You can have both
[05:24] <AnAnt> here's his comment: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2913
[05:24] <bddebian> I think
[05:25] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[05:25] <AnAnt> bddebian: oh, what did you mean by new python policy ?
[05:27] <welshbyte> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html  (replaces, conflicts)
[05:28] <welshbyte> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy (new python policy)
[05:29] <AnAnt> oh
[05:30] <AnAnt> bddebian: what if I can't fix that python policy thing  ? is it a problem ? note that I am not the one who originally did packaging, and I dunno much about python
[05:38] <tortoise_> I'm part of ubuntu-universe-contributors but I keep getting rejection emails when i dput.  Can anyone lend a hand?
[05:38] <AnAnt> tortoise_: emails ?
[05:38] <AnAnt> ping bddebian
[05:38] <shawarma> tortoise_: Where are you dputting to?
[05:39] <lionelp> tortoise_: did you get a REVU admin updating gpg keyring ?
[05:39] <tortoise_> shawarma: Upload package to host ubuntu
[05:40] <tortoise_> lionelp: uh..wha??
[05:40] <lionelp> REVU gpg keyring need to be updated with your key before you can upload anything
[05:40] <shawarma> tortoise_: You're supposed to dput to REVU.
[05:41] <shawarma> lionelp: Isn't that done automatically these days?
[05:41] <lionelp> I don't think so
[05:41] <tortoise_> lionelp: my gpg key is on launchpad
[05:41] <lionelp> it was not the case the day before yesterfay
[05:41] <lionelp> tortoise_: yes
[05:41] <lionelp> ping raphink
[05:41] <raphink> yop lionelp
[05:42] <shawarma> lionelp: Ah. Then I'm mistaken.
[05:42] <lionelp> does a REVU admin need to upate manually REU keyring before someone can upload ?
[05:44] <tortoise_> so how do I get the REVU keyring updated?
[05:44] <lionelp> raphink, are you still there ? :)
[05:51] <raphink> quite
[05:55] <raphink> tortoise_: need  refresh of the revu keyring?
[05:55] <tortoise_> raphink: yeah, please
[05:55] <raphink> alirht
[05:55] <raphink> updating
[06:01] <raphink> tortoise_: updated
[06:09] <neutrinomass> ajmitch: bug 5521 can be closed, right ?
[06:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 5521 in pyx "pyx: merge new debian version" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5521
[06:11] <shawarma> neutrinomass: It appears so, yes.
[06:12] <neutrinomass> Thought so as well but better safe than sorry :)
[06:23] <Sp4rKy> hi again motu
[06:25] <fbond|away> Sp4rKy, when you are creating symlink, why does the file already exist?  Is the existing file not a symlink?
[06:26] <Sp4rKy> the file doesn't exist :/
[06:26] <fbond|away> oh nm
[06:26] <fbond|away> you are symlinking the wrong way
[06:27] <fbond|away> you are doing ln -s file1 file2 when you want ln -s file2 file1
[06:27] <fbond|away> ln: File exists <-- ln disagrees with you
[06:28] <Sp4rKy> you think ?
[06:28] <fbond|away> yes, are you familiar with ln?
[06:28] <fbond|away> I'm not sure which way it's supposed to be (i.e. I don't know which file is supposed to be the real file, and which is supposed to be a symlink), but you definately can't symlink the way you're trying to
[06:29] <fbond|away> also, it looks like you are building version 0.0.1 of that library, but the .so file has 0.0.0 on the end... I'm not sure if that is correct?
[06:43] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:44] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[06:47] <Arbiter> need one more review/advocate for kcmpureftpd http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2981
[06:47] <Arbiter>
[06:50] <neutrinomass> bddebian: Should your bug 56536 be marked as a dupe of bug 32169 ?
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56536 in mythtv "[debian-multimedia]  mythtv 0.19-0.10" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56536
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32169 in mythtv "Update to .19" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32169
[06:55] <bddebian> Arbiter: I'll try to get through some reviews tonight
[06:56] <bddebian> neutrinomass: I would rather see 32169 marked as a dupe of mine since mine is a specific sync request subscribed to the archive admins
[07:00] <Arbiter> bddebian, thank you
[07:00] <Arbiter> Hobbsee alredy did some initial review
[07:01] <j00bar> howdy -- looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics and trying to set  up my chroot environment, pbuilder seems to be querying debian's servers, not ubuntu's...
[07:01] <j00bar> is my /etc/apt/sources wrong?
[07:01] <j00bar> should --othermirror instead be --mirror?
[07:02] <tortoise_> dcut
[07:03] <j00bar> tortoise_ -- eh?
[07:03] <tortoise_> sorry wrong window focused
[07:03] <j00bar> k.
[07:04] <welshbyte> j00bar: maybe check your /etc/pbuilderrc file for references to debian's repositories
[07:04] <j00bar> yeah -- just saw that.
[07:05] <j00bar> i overrode it with --mirror "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu"
[07:05] <j00bar> it's working now.
[09:13] <welshbyte> .e pokes any reviewers with 5 minutes to spare :)
[09:13] <welshbyte> oops
[09:14] <welshbyte> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2998
[09:15] <vil> geser: hello, I would like to talk about bug #57732 in launchpad. would you have few minutes for me?
[09:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57732 in eclipse-pydev "[Edgy]  Rebuild for libgcj7 -> libgcj7-0" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57732
[09:15] <LaserJock> zul: when are we gonna get knot2? huh? huh? ;-)
[09:15] <zul> LaserJock: heh..
[09:16] <geser> vil: yes, i have
[09:17] <vil> I would like to know if there is anything I can do about it. unfortunately, I do not have upload rights, so I cannot include your nice fix.
[09:19] <geser> As I also don't have upload rights, I'm waiting for someone from the universe sponsor team to upload the fix
[09:20] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:21] <lotusleaf> does backports need another person helping?
[09:22] <LaserJock> lotusleaf: hmm, I have no idea
[09:23] <LaserJock> lotusleaf: you might as the backports team
[09:23] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: thx
[09:23] <vil> geser: ook, then. that's it, thanks
[09:23] <zul> you might want to talk to jdong
[09:23] <lotusleaf> zul: k thx ;)
[09:25] <lotusleaf> does motu need extra ppl?
[09:25] <zul> always
[09:26] <lotusleaf> do we need to dedicate ourselves to a certain program or does it matter
[09:26] <LaserJock> doesn't matter
[09:26] <lotusleaf> cool
[09:26] <lotusleaf> how active is the mailing list for motu
[09:26] <zul> irc is more active
[09:27] <LaserJock> depends on your definition of active as well
[09:27] <lotusleaf> zul: excellent
[09:27] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: well, where most of the conversation takes place, most frequently
[09:30] <lotusleaf> where does one get started? Do I need to cram a motu page @ ubuntu.com ?
[09:30] <lotusleaf> debain packaging docs, etc?
[09:31] <zul> pretty much..
[09:31] <lotusleaf> sounds good
[09:31] <LaserJock> !packagingguide
[09:31] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[09:31] <lotusleaf> debian*
[09:31] <lotusleaf> awesome, thx
[09:31] <LaserJock> geser: I'm sponsoring your upload as soon as I verify that it builds
[09:32] <geser> thanks
[09:52] <LaserJock> I'm trying to buy some motorized optical mounts
[09:52] <LaserJock> and the controllers all come with ActiveX UIs
[09:56] <zul> heh...you said mount..
[09:56] <bddebian> Oh, CoC, COC...
[09:57] <LaserJock> of for goodness sakes
[09:57] <LaserJock> *oh
[09:57] <LaserJock> I guess I better not show pictures
[09:59] <Nafallo> lol
[09:59] <LaserJock> well, I found some motorized pint-sized mounts and some flipper mounts
[10:02] <welshbyte> hm can someone remove pybackpack from REVU for me? I've decided it's not ready to go into universe yet
[10:04] <LaserJock> welshbyte: email the archive admins
[10:04] <welshbyte> okie dokie
[10:06] <bddebian> welshbyte: Hey, aren't you supposed to be working on maxima? ;-P
[10:06] <welshbyte> who, me? :)
[10:07] <welshbyte> bddebian: i meant to ask...
[10:07] <welshbyte> bddebian: wxmaxima seems to not have that bug in edgy
[10:07] <welshbyte> although it doesn't actually do anything at all when you type 1+1; into it
[10:08] <bddebian> Hmm, I thought someone told me that it was still there
[10:08] <LaserJock> geser: ping?
[10:08] <LaserJock> well
[10:08] <LaserJock> I assumed it was just a different manifestation of the same bug
[10:08] <LaserJock> dapper version = can't connect, gives error
[10:09] <LaserJock> edgy version = can't connect, just sits there
[10:09] <geser> LaserJock: does it build?
[10:09] <LaserJock> geser: yes, but I don't quite understand where there was a problem in the first place, what dep  changed?
[10:09] <welshbyte> LaserJock: yeah that's what i'm seeing. i don't see how it can be the same bug though
[10:10] <LaserJock> why?
[10:10] <welshbyte> or, i haven't seen any proof that it's the same bug yet
[10:10] <LaserJock> I swear when I hit "restart maxima" (or whatever it's called) I see a "can't connect" type error flash by
[10:11] <geser> LaserJock: libgcj7 got renamed to libgcj7-0 and eclipse-pydev needs to be rebuild to pick up the new name
[10:11] <welshbyte> ah yes
[10:11] <LaserJock> geser: but I dont' see any dep on libgcj7
[10:12] <LaserJock> ah, hang on
[10:12] <LaserJock> eclipse-pydev-gcj is the problem
[10:12] <geser> yes
[10:13] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm still not seeing the dep in the binary though
[10:13] <geser> the current one depends on libgcj7 which is done
[10:14] <welshbyte> LaserJock: but on edgy, maxima is still running after that, and after you type in 1+1; whereas on dapper it actually makes maxima shut down/crash
[10:14] <bddebian> w00t
[10:14] <geser> the rebuilt one depends now on libgcj-bc which depends on libgcj7-0
[10:15] <welshbyte> i should probably take ethereal to it to see if wxmaxima is talking to maxima ok on edgy
[10:16] <LaserJock> geser: ahh
[10:18] <welshbyte> s/ethereal/wireshark/ i see
[10:18] <geser> I should've edited the changelog to name the right package name after a rebuild
[10:20] <LaserJock> so it went from deping on libgcj7 to deping on libgcj-bc?
[10:20] <geser> yes
[10:21] <geser> I expected it to depend on libgcj7-0 when I created the the changelog entry
[10:24] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:24] <AnAnt> is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>here ?
[10:24] <sistpoty> AnAnt: yes, what's up?
[10:24] <dholbach> AnAnt: that's sistpoty :)
[10:24] <crimsun> he's right there.
[10:24] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[10:24] <sistpoty> hi bddebian, dholbach, AnAnt
[10:25] <AnAnt> sistpoty: I fixed the kchmviewer issues (added the Conflicts: field) and re-uploaded it
[10:26] <sistpoty> AnAnt: ok, will take a look
[10:26] <AnAnt> sistpoty: thanks
[10:27] <AnAnt> bddebian: you still tied up with work ?
[10:27] <sistpoty> AnAnt: btw.: does it fix any of the kchmviewer bugs? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kchmviewer/+bugs
[10:28] <AnAnt> dunno, lemme see
[10:29] <AnAnt> sistpoty: I dunno what is meant by "when trying to run a chm file"
[10:31] <sistpoty> AnAnt: I dunno either ;)... maybe you could ask the submitter about that?
[10:32] <sistpoty> AnAnt: any reason you keep the replaces line in the control file?
[10:33] <AnAnt> sistpoty: hmmm, I didn't know wether to remove it or not
[10:34] <Nafallo> where else to put it? :-)
[10:34] <sistpoty> AnAnt: usually that's used if a new library (as in new soname and thus new package name) ultimately replaces the old library...
[10:34] <AnAnt> sistpoty: ok, so I remove the replace
[10:34] <sistpoty> AnAnt: I'm not 100% sure if there isn't any special apt treatment for this... does anyone know?
[10:35] <vil> doko: hi doko, this is Vladimir. I made some changes to the eclipse source you showed me. I'd like to say it builds without errors, but I can't.
[10:35] <AnAnt> sistpoty: as for the bug about opening from removable media, I tried to open from flash disk, and it worked
[10:35] <vil> doko: It's just to lengthy. Isn't there a machine I could use to build it? I gues ... no :)
[10:36] <sistpoty> AnAnt: then you should also add something like (closes: lp #bugnumber) to the changelog
[10:36] <trappist> what's the right way to make a package install, say, etc/terminfo/E/Eterm, when it currently builds it but doesn't install it
[10:36] <sistpoty> AnAnt: (but that's just for information, you'll still need to close the bug by hand after the package has been uploaded and built on all arches)
[10:36] <AnAnt> sistpoty: well, how do I know that the packaging is what done that
[10:36] <vil> doko: Also, is there a place, where could I publish it?
[10:36] <AnAnt> sistpoty: maybe it's the code in version 2.6, I dunno
[10:37] <sistpoty> AnAnt: it seems like that's the code in version 2.6, so you should add that after the "new upstream release" entry (but I'm just guessing there)
[10:37] <doko> vil: sorry, no, no x86 or amd64 machine; I could offer you access to a sparc box.
[10:37] <AnAnt> oic, good idea
[10:38] <AnAnt> sistpoty: there's nothing in the changelog mentioning those bugs btw
[10:39] <AnAnt> sistpoty: I mean the software's ChangeLog, not the package changelog
[10:39] <vil> doko: this will be next step :) I just wandered if alioth does not offer something.
[10:39] <AnAnt> sistpoty: besides, I only use the kchmviewer-nokde
[10:39] <AnAnt> sistpoty: as I don't have KDE installed here
[10:39] <sistpoty> AnAnt: if you're unsure, then don't mention it... but once the package is compiled, you could ask if the submitter if the bug is still present in the newer package ;)
[10:40] <AnAnt> ok
[10:40] <trappist> vil: I can get you on an amd64 box
[10:40] <trappist> vil: it's a dapper box though
[10:40] <AnAnt> actually I'm not sure about any of the bugs
[10:40] <vil> doko: I will try to prepare a debdiff and send it to other people in that post.
[10:40] <AnAnt> but I'm really suspicious about the bug that says that kchmviewer crashes when opening any CHM file
[10:41] <AnAnt> I've been using it since v1.3, and I never seen that !
[10:41] <doko> vil: are you registered as an alioth user?
[10:42] <sistpoty> AnAnt: maybe freeflying can give you some hints there ;)
[10:42] <AnAnt> anyways, that's on PPC, maybe that's the problem ? I'm using a centrino (i386)
[10:42] <AnAnt> what is freeflying?
[10:43] <sistpoty> AnAnt: freeflying is the submitter of the bug
[10:43] <AnAnt> oh
[10:47] <AnAnt> how is Kubuntu different that Ubuntu ?
[10:47] <lotusleaf> AnAnt: it has KDE instead of Gnome
[10:48] <hub> AnAnt: default to KDE
[10:57] <sistpoty> ping segfault
[10:57] <trappist> eterm ships with and builds its own terminfo file, but our package doesn't install it, and it needs to (imho).  what's the right way to accomplish that
[10:57] <sistpoty> erm... what's a terminfo file?
[10:59] <AnAnt> is there anyone here willing to review a package called "acon" ? it needs another advocate !
[10:59] <sistpoty> AnAnt: I'll put it to my queue ;)
[10:59] <trappist> sistpoty: like /lib/terminfo/E/Eterm
[10:59] <trappist> sistpoty: that one is "wrong", installed by ncurses-base
[11:00] <trappist> eterm wants to install his in /etc/terminfo, which will fox the problem I'm trying to fix and not conflict with anything
[11:00] <trappist> s/fox/fix/
[11:00] <AnAnt> sistpoty: thanks
[11:01] <AnAnt> sistpoty: you know about library packaging ?
[11:01] <sistpoty> trappist: sorry, don't have a clue on that... :/
[11:01] <sistpoty> AnAnt: a little bit ;)
[11:01] <AnAnt> sistpoty: I am packaging a new library called fsplib
[11:02] <AnAnt> it installs in debian/tmp/usr/{lib,include}. So I made fsplib0.install file which contains: usr/lib/* , and fsplib-dev.install file which contains: usr/include/*
[11:02] <AnAnt> yet, the resulting packages don't have anything in the lib & include dirs ! anyone knows what may cause that ?
[11:05] <sistpoty> AnAnt: not quite sure... maybe it should be debian/tmp/usr/lib/* instead?
[11:06] <AnAnt> sistpoty: you mean in the *.install files ?
[11:06] <sistpoty> AnAnt: yes
[11:06] <AnAnt> sistpoty: I think I tried that, but can try again
[11:07] <AnAnt> btw, I have something to suggest, but not sure if that is the correct place
[11:07] <AnAnt> can't there be a virtual "cron" package ?
[11:08] <AnAnt> there are multiple cron software , Vixie, anacron, fcron
[11:08] <AnAnt> the problem is that ubuntu-desktop depends on anacron
[11:08] <AnAnt> and anacron conflicts with fcron
[11:08] <AnAnt> now, what if a guy (like me in that case) decides that he wants fcron ?
[11:08] <AnAnt> in that case, he will have to remove anacron & hence ubuntu-desktop
[11:09] <AnAnt> if there was some virtual package (like mail-transport-agent) that the ubuntu-desktop would depend on, that would be better
[11:09] <crimsun> ...which is perfectly acceptable since ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, not a requirement that one _must keep it_
[11:10] <sistpoty> hm... and this should be fixed with ubuntu-desktop only recommending the packages instead of depending on it, iirc
[11:10] <crimsun> the idea is that if you've installed fcron (from universe), it's unsupported anyhow, and the removal of ubuntu-desktop is simply another manner of reflecting that
[11:10] <AnAnt> crimsun: aha, one maybe it is not a requirement, but its info says: "However, it is recommended that you keep it installed, because it is used to carry out certain upgrade transitions (such as adding new packages to the system)."
[11:11] <AnAnt> crimsun: hmmm, ic
[11:11] <crimsun> AnAnt: yes, it has always been recommended to reinstall ubuntu-desktop prior to dist-upgrades
[11:11] <trappist> crimsun: you happen to know the answer to my question?  the right way to get a package to install, say, /etc/terminfo/E/Eterm (it gets built, just not installed)
[11:11] <crimsun> trappist: debian/rules: dh_install(1) or cp/mv/blah
[11:13] <trappist> crimsun: so there's not a debhelper specific to something like that, just dh_install it.  thanks.
[11:14] <sistpoty> hey, crimsun, you are core-dev, right? could you eventually give me an ack for my main sync req at bug 58046? *beg* ;)
[11:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58046 in sdl-image1.2 "please sync sdl-image1.2 [main]  (1.2.5-2) from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58046
[11:14] <AnAnt> thanks anyways
[11:16] <crimsun> sistpoty: done, thanks.
[11:16] <sistpoty> yeehaa, thanks crimsun!
[11:16] <crimsun> np
[11:17] <sistpoty> thanks for also subscribing archive ;)
[11:17] <crimsun> :)
[11:19] <vil> doko: I'm sorry, my laptop went crazy
[11:19] <vil> doko: where did we end?
[11:22] <doko> vil: are you registered on alioth?
[11:22] <vil> trappist: thanks for your offer, do you think that it would be possible to use pbuilder there?
[11:22] <vil> doko: yes: vladimir-guest
[11:22] <trappist> vil: yep
[11:22] <trappist> vil: you want to email your ssh pubkey to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[11:22] <doko> trappist: can you create an edgy chroot on this machine
[11:22] <trappist> or I can get it off your lp page
[11:23] <vil> trappist: I want, I will
[11:23] <trappist> doko: a 64bit edgy chroot?
[11:25] <doko> trappist: doesn't really matter, if 32 or 64 bit (just that vil has an edgy environment)
[11:25] <trappist> I'll upgrade my 32bit chroot to edgy
[11:25] <trappist> will take a little time
[11:26] <doko> trappist: thanks
[11:26] <vil> trappist: thanks, too
[11:26] <trappist> np
[11:29] <vil> doko: I guess, you packaged libmx4j because of eclipse dependencies, right?
[11:30] <doko> vil: yes, but it doesn't build
[11:30] <vil> because of rmic, I tried
[11:31] <trappist> the dist-upgrade is in progress.  I'm about to leave work, but it's running in a screen.  I'll keep you posted.
[11:34] <doko> ahh, I remember
[11:35] <lotusleaf> trappist: did you jump the mdk ship? I used to see you active in the mdk channel years ago
[11:37] <trappist> lotusleaf: sure did :)
[11:37] <lotusleaf> trappist: :) ha! good, such knowledge as yours belongs on the good ship ubuntu ;)
[11:38] <trappist> haha thanks
[11:43] <Goshawk> hi, is there any pbuilder guru here?
[11:43] <trappist> vil: I haven't received your ssh key.  should I be looking for it?
[11:44] <vil> trappist: in a minute
[11:45] <vil> could you please repeat the address...
[11:45] <trappist><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:46] <vil> trappist: sent
[11:47] <trappist> vil: ok I'm just about out of here, I'll set it all up tonight and ping you
[11:48] <trappist> where tonight means the next 3-5 hours
[11:50] <vil> trappist: thanks a lot, I will look tommorow. Going to sleep soon
[11:50] <trappist> k, g'night
[12:01] <ryanakca> is there any "convention" or "proper" way to name a patch?  03-simple-readme.patch like, what number? number-patch.patch ... how do you select "number"
[12:02] <tseng> is theresomething up with xorg /radeon?
[12:02] <crimsun> lexical ordering, ryanakca.
[12:02] <tseng> as in failing to stasrt
[12:02] <ryanakca> crimsun: so.. 01, 02-, 03-, etc?
[12:03] <crimsun> ryanakca: you can decide what order has what meaning
[12:03] <crimsun> just document it
[12:03] <crimsun> I normally summarise what the patch does
[12:03] <ryanakca> tseng: what? radeon cards? mine works fine
[12:04] <ryanakca> crimsun: kk, ty
[12:04] <tseng> mine starts a few times
[12:04] <tseng> gets a cursor even
[12:04] <crimsun> e.g., 01_fix-broken-mmap.dpatch
[12:05] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[12:05] <ryanakca> tseng: you radeon card doesn't work iiuc? what kind is it? Radeon 9200SE?


[11:04] <anikras> hikiko, i am using df -h to show free space in disk, but I have a lot of apps with snap, Do you know if any way to hide snaps with df ?
[11:19] <CrazyLemon>  | grep -v "/snap/" ? :)
[12:02] <anikras> CrazyLemon, yes, it is, thanks !!
[12:12] <hikiko> I was afk :) but yes, grep -v


[00:07] <menn0> thumper: easy one: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5482/
[00:08] <menn0> axw: when you're around can we talk about bug 1569632 please?
[00:08] <mup> Bug #1569632: status: decide on statuses for migration <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569632>
[01:00] <perrito666> thumper: well that is awkwards, menn0 gave you a nice ship it and I just added a bunch of issues
[01:03] <axw> menn0: I'm around now
[01:04] <redir> wallyworld: I think I'm ready for a consult
[01:04] <redir> if you're available
[01:04] <wallyworld> ok
[01:04] <wallyworld> standup ho?
[01:06] <perrito666> wallyworld: that is an awful thing to call redir
[01:06] <wallyworld> perrito666: you funny
[01:06] <wallyworld> btw
[01:06] <wallyworld> i am having acl issues
[01:06] <wallyworld> there's some code left in the admin_root which checks for read only calls
[01:06] <wallyworld> and the list of read only calls in incorrect
[01:07] <wallyworld> and we don't even need that check anymore
[01:07] <perrito666> wallyworld: well we can nuke that
[01:07] <wallyworld> yep, doing it
[01:07] <perrito666> I decided to nuke it post-implement acls
[01:07] <perrito666> just as a failsafe
[01:07] <wallyworld> sure, i need to remove it for my branch to work
[01:07] <wallyworld> users can't list models
[01:07] <wallyworld> admins can, but not others
[01:07] <redir> brt
[01:08] <perrito666> wallyworld:mm, after reading the list models method I assumed it would show to each user their own models
[01:08] <perrito666> therefore it was safe to make it RO
[01:08] <perrito666> since RO users will just not get results
[01:08] <wallyworld> it is, but that hard coded list omitted the ListModels call
[01:08] <perrito666> ahh I see
[01:08] <wallyworld> RO users need to be able to see their own models
[01:09] <wallyworld> anyways, all fixed now
[01:09] <wallyworld> i just wanted to check that you agreed we should remove that code
[01:21] <thumper> katco: no
[01:24] <thumper> perrito666: hmm... we often don't check the error returns of fmt.Fprintf as well
[01:25] <thumper> perrito666: given the number of places we call flush without checking, I think this is ok
[01:26] <perrito666> thumper: I assumed so, It tickled me because we where checking it in just one place and you removed it, but I believe its ok too
[01:27] <perrito666> thumper: the other ones are valid though :p
[01:27] <thumper> you expect me to file bugs for dfc's old comment?
[01:27] <thumper> that's a bit rough
[01:28] <thumper> perrito666: and changing other fmt.errorf calls...
[01:28] <perrito666> thumper: you are the one that said that we should .... meh forgot the words but something about leaving stuff neater than we found, also you passed by that code and dfc was your teammate :p at least re-own it
[01:28] <thumper> :P
[01:30] <perrito666> anyway, eod, cheers all
[01:31] <wallyworld> thumper: running a minute late
[01:31] <katco> thumper: yay
[02:16] <wallyworld> thumper: with colour, axw had a good point - you need to keep the * still, for the current controller etc even when it is a terminal and colour is used
[02:16] <thumper> wallyworld: let me show you something
[02:16] <axw> (for colour blind people; unless the contrast between green and white is enough?)
[02:16] <thumper> ah...
[02:16] <thumper> good point
[02:16] <thumper> it was so good though :)
[02:17] <wallyworld> having an extra * is not big deal, it's still green
[02:20] <thumper> wallyworld: intermittent failure :(
[02:20] <wallyworld> faaaaaaaarrrrkkkk
[02:21]  * thumper needs foot
[02:21]  * thumper needs food
[02:22]  * thumper has two feet
[02:46] <axw> wallyworld: RB bot is asleep, can you please review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6034
[02:46] <wallyworld> sure
[02:46] <axw> wallyworld: I decided not to make the change to the machiner worker after all, if you force destroy a machine you shouldn't expect it to uninstall cleanly
[02:46] <axw> wallyworld: and there's another scenario where it could happen, with a note that we explicitly don't handle it because state could just be borked
[02:47] <wallyworld> that's the change to react to not found?
[02:47] <axw> wallyworld: and uninstalling because of a bug would be bad
[02:47] <axw> wallyworld: yes. so I just changed the cleanup to not force destroy on destroy-model
[02:47] <wallyworld> ok
[02:49] <wallyworld> axw: lgtm, thanks
[02:49] <axw> ta
[03:02] <thumper> wallyworld: landed!!!!
[03:02] <thumper> \o/
[03:02] <wallyworld> awesome
[03:02] <katco> thumper: grats
[03:02] <wallyworld> will propose my branch now
[03:06] <wallyworld> thumper: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5483/
[03:07] <thumper> wallyworld: why have you removed read only calls?
[03:07] <wallyworld> 1. out of date, 2. did you read horatio's email?
[03:07] <thumper> no...
[03:07] <thumper> also
[03:07] <wallyworld> no longer needed since permission checks are on each moethod now
[03:08] <thumper> what would the mechanism be to block all modifying calls for things like migration?
[03:08] <wallyworld> the methods do permission checks
[03:08] <wallyworld> sigh, so many issues this week with people not reading their emails
[03:08] <thumper> well, been a bit busy
[03:08] <wallyworld> all facade methods are expected to have a permission check now
[03:09] <wallyworld> as a code review checklist step, that must be enforced
[03:09] <wallyworld> sometimes the check is done for the entire facade at construction time
[03:09] <wallyworld> if all methods require write for example
[03:11] <wallyworld> that hard coded list was also out of date - it omitted legitimate read only methods
[03:11] <wallyworld> so people were not maintaining it
[03:14] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: great idea ^^ could u plz add it to our review checklist? https://github.com/juju/juju/wiki/Code-Review-Checklists
[03:16] <wallyworld> i thought it had been, i'll need to double check it
[03:19] <anastasiamac> it's there :D "Do facades and methods have the required authorization checks? "
[03:39] <veebers> thumper: I'm late to the game but the colour output is pretty damn sweet
[03:39] <thumper> :)
[03:39] <thumper> ta
[03:39] <mup> Bug #1614809 opened: api-caller remains post migration <juju-core:New for menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614809>
[03:50] <wallyworld> thumper: thanks for review, i was also wondering about MODEL UUID
[03:51] <wallyworld> i started with CONTROLLER but thought it looked a bit wrong tbh
[03:51] <wallyworld> i can go with that and we'll get feedback i'm sure
[03:53] <wallyworld> i went with Controller because it's not a table header
[03:54] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: axw: menn0:thumper: can u get to RB?
[03:54] <natefinch> is reviews.vapour.ws broken for anyone else?
[03:54] <axw> anastasiamac: nope
[03:54] <axw> AccessDenied
[03:54] <wallyworld> just broke right now
[03:54] <wallyworld> ffs
[03:54] <anastasiamac> yep. the same :(
[03:54] <menn0> broken for me
[03:55] <katco> this test has defeated me. /EOD
[03:56] <wallyworld> katco: wow, you're on late
[03:57] <anastasiamac> axw: wallyworld: I've cleaned up PR, PTAL https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6023
[03:57] <wallyworld> real soon
[04:11] <thumper> axw: my cunning plan to use the poolmanager has been poleaxed by an import cycle
[04:12] <thumper> stateenvirons
[04:12] <axw> thumper: what about stateenvirons?
[04:13] <thumper> axw: I was trying to use it in migration_import and export
[04:13] <thumper> which are in state
[04:13] <axw> thumper: yeah, you can't/shouldn't use stateenvirons from state. you also shouldn't need it
[04:13] <thumper> to get a NewStorageProviderRegistry
[04:13] <axw> un moment
[04:14] <axw> thumper: func (st *State) storageProviderRegistry() (storage.ProviderRegistry, error)
[04:14] <thumper> ah ha
[04:18] <thumper> axw: think I figured out a way to not expose the pool global key malarky
[04:18] <axw> thumper: move the poolmanager code into state? :)
[04:18] <axw> thumper: how?
[04:18] <thumper> you'll see
[04:19]  * thumper does more fixes
[04:19] <axw> okey dokey
[04:20]  * thumper crosses fingers while tests run
[04:21] <thumper> axw: I think this last attempt will may you much happier
[04:21] <thumper> w00t, tests pass
[04:21] <thumper> now a bit of cleanup
[04:24] <thumper> axw: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6024
[04:26] <axw> thumper: yes, much nicer :)
[04:40] <thumper> wallyworld, axw, menn0: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6036
[04:40] <thumper> not sure about the green for current actually
[04:40] <thumper> I was thinking something that "pops" a bit more
[04:40] <menn0> thumper: light blue?
[04:41]  * wallyworld is looking at another pr
[04:42] <thumper> menn0: not sure
[04:42] <menn0> thumper: LGTM to me anyway
[04:43] <menn0> gah...
[04:43]  * menn0 is tired
[04:44] <thumper> perhaps we land and bikeshed over color?
[04:44] <thumper> or make the color definable with an env var?
[04:44] <thumper> heh
[04:44]  * thumper out
[04:44] <natefinch> so we're bikeshedding on what to bikeshed on now?
[04:45] <natefinch> every time I look at gojsonschema it looks worse
[04:45] <axw> wallyworld: pretty sure the ssh issue is another latent bug, woohoo
[04:46] <wallyworld> yay
[04:47] <axw> wallyworld: the instance poller backs off when it sees a machine that isn't provisioned, doesn't start querying again immediately when it is provisioned
[04:48] <axw> wallyworld: so it takes a while for it to kick back in, since the machines are taking around a minute to come up
[04:48] <wallyworld> i can beliebe that - the poller is independent of the provisioner
[04:48] <wallyworld> if only we had pubsub
[04:49] <axw> wallyworld: nah it's just crappy implementation, it *can* react to the machine change
[04:49] <axw> and I will fix it to do that now
[04:49] <wallyworld> ok
[04:51] <menn0> thumper-afk: I probably shouldn't tell you this but "less -R" will let you use less with colors ... could be interesting to integrate into debug-log
[05:12] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: latest pr is much smaller change set from the first one which is good; for some reason i find it easier to review on rb compared to github
[06:06] <mup> Bug #1614835 opened: Unittest guiVersionSuite.TearDownSuite fails <ci> <unittest> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614835>
[06:07] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: \o/
[06:07] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: also hosted arch is added so that we can validate upload tools..
[06:08] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: but it's not an arch supported by the substrate
[06:08] <wallyworld> if you bootstrap from amd64 and try and run an arm64 controller that should break
[06:09] <wallyworld> when uploading tools, ther question to ask is - does the cloud and image i will be using to bootstrap on match the arch of my bootstrap client
[06:10] <wallyworld> adding host arch to the list of supported arches subverts that
[06:10] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: let me clean up this pr and if this is the question to ask then validateuploadallowed is not asking it
[06:10] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: i really need to land it, u can fix as an iteration. this fix fixes my bug
[06:11] <wallyworld> but introduces a new one
[06:13] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: i dont see how it introduces new one - currnet behavior
[06:13] <wallyworld> it's not current behavour, that's the issue
[06:14] <wallyworld> if you try and upload tools from an amd64 client to a ppc64 cloud it will fail
[06:14] <wallyworld> or more so, from a s390 client to aws for example
[06:15] <anastasiamac> if there is a test, then i will not b able to land my change. at this stage = all tests pass
[06:56] <axw> wallyworld: PTAL, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6037
[06:58] <axw> wallyworld: BTW I was confused, we don't get updates on the machine doc in general; only lifecycle changes
[06:59] <axw> so I've left it as polling for now, but changed it to only back off after it's been provisioned
[07:47] <wallyworld> axw: yeah, that's why i was wishing for pubsub - could easily notify of such changes, looking now
[07:56] <wallyworld> axw: i think i'm reading the test wrong - it seems that prior to m.setInstanceId("inst-ance") we *want* case <-polled and thereafter not, but it seems the test is the other way around?
[07:58] <axw> wallyworld: before setInstanceId, the test fails if <-polled. after, it fails if it times out waiting for <-polled
[07:58] <wallyworld> yeah, that's what's confusing me
[07:58] <wallyworld> before set instace id, machine is not provisioned so we want regular polling
[07:59] <wallyworld> so we'd expect to see,_polled, no?
[08:00] <axw> wallyworld: perhaps the var name is throwing you off. <-polled means that it queried the provider for instance info
[08:00] <wallyworld> i was thinking polled was for querying instance addresses
[08:01] <wallyworld> which we want to do regularly until provisoned
[08:01] <axw> wallyworld: and that hasn't changed, the only change is that there's no backoff. that's proven by the clock advancing exactly the "short poll" amount of time
[08:01] <axw> wallyworld: nope, how would you do that without an instance ID?
[08:01] <wallyworld> good point
[08:01] <wallyworld> i haven't context switched in the code properly
[08:02] <wallyworld> lgtm though, i was was confused
[08:02] <mattyw> hey folks, I'm getting an XML AccessDenied from reviewboard, anyone else?
[08:03] <wallyworld> mattyw: yeah, it's borked
[08:04] <mattyw> wallyworld, awesome, hello by the way!
[08:04] <wallyworld> hey!
[09:19] <voidspace> fwereade_: ping
[09:20] <fwereade_> voidspace, pong
[09:21] <voidspace> fwereade_: txn-revno is maintained by the txn layer, so all I need to use it is to declare it in the doc. Right? Like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23069609/
[09:21] <fwereade_> voidspace, so long as you *only* read that doc and don't write it, yes
[09:22] <fwereade_> voidspace, iirc accidentally writing a txn-revno can mess everything up
[09:22] <voidspace> fwereade_: sounds like fun
[09:22] <voidspace> fwereade_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23069620/
[09:23] <voidspace> fwereade_: although I think that code should return no-ops if the hostports are equal (it doesn't currently do that either)
[09:23] <fwereade_> voidspace, +1 to that
[09:23] <voidspace> kk
[09:23] <fwereade_> voidspace, and if you just declare that doc inside that func then you shoudl be safe from anyone accidentally writing it in future
[09:24] <voidspace> yep
[09:26] <voidspace> fwereade_: I don't think this particular contention problem is possible to test directly - other fixes we've committed didn't have new tests
[09:27] <voidspace> fwereade_: so if the existing tests pass (checking that they're good tests of course) I'll call it good
[09:27] <voidspace> currently they pass - just trying again with the NoOp path
[09:29] <fwereade_> voidspace, hm, surely you can test SetAPIHostPorts racing with itself at least?
[09:29] <voidspace> fwereade_: I'm hoping there is already a race test :-)
[09:29] <voidspace> maybe optimistic
[09:31] <fwereade_> voidspace, fwiw I can think of two: (1) BeforeHook change to a new value, check 2 txn attempts; (2) BeforeHook change to desired value, check 1 attempt only
[09:32] <voidspace> fwereade_: understood
[09:32] <voidspace> fwereade_: there's at least one concurrent test already
[09:32] <fwereade_> voidspace, cool
[09:32] <voidspace> two - ConcurrentSame and ConcurrentDifferent
[09:32] <fwereade_> huh, access denied from reviews.vapour.ws
[09:32] <voidspace> fwereade_: reading them
[09:32] <fwereade_> anyone else
[09:32] <fwereade_> voidspace, awesome
[09:33] <fwereade_> voidspace, the test names seem good, anyway ;)
[09:33] <voidspace> fwereade_: yep, me too
[09:33] <fwereade_> mgz, I think of you as the person who effortlessly fixes everything, is that something you can address? ^^
[09:34] <voidspace> All current tests pass, that's a good sign
[09:51] <hoenir> how to know if juju is using the default tools or the tools that I specified ?
[09:52] <hoenir> this means it's using the deafult?
[09:52] <hoenir> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23069672/
[09:53] <hoenir> cmd is juju bootstrap maas maas --debug --show-log --config agent-metadata-url='<IP_ADDRESS>/toolsdir/tools/' --bootstrap-series='trusty'
[09:53] <hoenir> anyone?
[10:15] <perrito666> hoenir: looks a lot like its using the default
[10:17] <hoenir> perrito666, how can I use my own tools?
[11:43] <mup> Bug #1614929 opened: Panic when destroying controller <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614929>
[11:57] <fwereade_> voidspace, if you have a moment, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6040
[11:57] <fwereade_> voidspace, the critical thing is really to QA it, and come to a conclusion re the JustRemoveOp(..., -1); everything else has been reviewed in detail by many people
[12:02] <voidspace> fwereade_: about to go on lunch - can look after that
[12:04] <fwereade_> voidspace, cheers
[12:46] <mup> Bug #1614929 changed: Panic when destroying controller <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614929>
[12:46] <mup> Bug #1614948 opened: cmd/juju: "error" capitalisation is inconsistent <usability> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614948>
[12:56] <jam> natefinch-afk: ping if you're around
[13:27] <natefinch> jam: pong
[13:28] <perrito666> tha lag
[13:29] <perrito666> mgz: could you kick reviewboard server?
[13:31] <mup> Bug #1614961 opened: juju ssh to azure hosts fails <azure-provider> <ci> <jujuqa> <regression> <ssh> <juju-core:Triaged by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614961>
[13:40] <mgz> perrito666: I don't think I can
[13:40] <perrito666> mgz: I think you do :p
[13:40] <perrito666> that is one of CI machines, I am sure of it
[13:41] <mgz> well, I guess I do have ssh access, just not the management creds
[13:41] <perrito666> or you can provide me access+sudo and Ill gladly dig into the pile of... code
[13:41] <mgz> so i can poke around at least
[13:41] <mgz> perrito666: you have it
[13:41] <perrito666> mgz: oh
[13:42] <mgz> cloud-city and ssh with the staging-juju-rsa key
[13:44] <mgz> hm, proxy error spam
[13:44] <mgz> why is it even trying to access /releases/unknown-outcome
[13:46] <mup> Bug #1614961 changed: juju ssh to azure hosts fails <azure-provider> <ci> <jujuqa> <regression> <ssh> <juju-core:Triaged by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614961>
[13:48] <voidspace> hmmm... reviewboard is borked again
[13:50] <mgz> yeap, not sure what the fix is
[13:51] <perrito666> voidspace: looking into it
[13:51] <voidspace> perrito666: thanks
[14:00] <rick_h_> natefinch voidspace ping for standup
[14:00] <voidspace> rick_h_: omw
[14:07] <sinzui> perrito666: voidspace I am going to reboot review board. the services are healthy. I think the host or the proxy have thrown a wobbly
[14:09] <voidspace> sinzui: much appreciated
[14:10] <babbageclunk> voidspace, frobware: Could you take a look at this please? (github link since there's no RB link) https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6042
[14:10] <voidspace> babbageclunk: I think my review plate is full until EOD I'm afraid
[14:11] <babbageclunk> voidspace: :(
[14:11] <voidspace> babbageclunk: I have two to do and I want to leave and go to mountains, sorry
[14:11] <babbageclunk> voidspace: Well, at least it's not just on my hard drvie now!
[14:11] <voidspace> babbageclunk: haha, yeah - ice
[14:11] <voidspace> I mean *nie
[14:11] <voidspace> *nice dammit
[14:11] <voidspace> fat fingers
[14:11] <babbageclunk> voidspace: That's wjat I meant too.
[14:11] <voidspace> babbageclunk: new SSD or repaired computer yet?
[14:12] <voidspace> ERROR invalid config: lxd version 2.1, juju needs at least 2.0.0
[14:12] <voidspace> anyone seen that - is it fixed on master?
[14:12] <babbageclunk> voidspace: using a loaner that Rodney gave me - it's a beast! 8 cores and 32Gb
[14:12] <voidspace> I guess I can check master...
[14:12] <voidspace> babbageclunk: wow
[14:13] <babbageclunk> voidspace: test runs are nice and quick. Not much fun biking home with it though.
[14:13] <voidspace> babbageclunk: yow
[14:13] <voidspace> yeah, I bet
[14:23] <katco> with juju/errors, how can i retrieve the underlying error if it has been Wrap(..)ed
[14:34]  * katco crosses fingers and does a full test run of cmd/juju/application
[14:37]  * rick_h_ looks for a chicken to sacrifice to the test run gods, but finds none
[14:37] <natefinch> katco: if you want the original error, you can get Cause(err) ... if there's N wraps, that gives you the first one, if you want the N-1th one, I'm not sure you can
[14:37] <katco> natefinch: hm, that didn't seem to work
[14:38] <katco> natefinch: i'll sanity check and try again after this run is done. didn't get much sleep
[14:38] <natefinch> katco: oh, wrap, yeah...
[14:39] <natefinch> wrap changes the cause to the new error
[14:39] <natefinch> you want Underlying()
[14:40] <katco> hm, i thought i tried that too
[14:41] <katco> i think it just gave me back the wrapped error or something. i probably screwed it up
[14:42] <natefinch> it might that if it's wrapped and then gets annotated, you lose access to the underlying error
[14:43] <katco> ahhh that is almost definitely what's going on
[14:43] <natefinch> in theory you're not supposed to need to know what the underlying error is
[14:43] <katco> so this was inflicted by my own hand. a very techy error was making it out to the cli, so i wrapped it. mask and annotate still leak the techy error
[14:43] <rick_h_> katco: can you also look at natefinch's PR please. In the bug is a direct link to the .sh script to QA with and get the security report which should work against a lxd deploy I htink.
[14:44] <katco> natefinch: actually, no, the full history is still in the error because i can gc.Matches on errors.Details(err)
[14:44] <rick_h_> natefinch: I'm assuming you've done this as well to make sure it works
[14:44] <katco> rick_h_: ok
[14:45] <katco> not bad: OOPS: 204 passed, 1 PANICKED, 1 FIXTURE-PANICKED, 1 MISSED
[14:45] <katco> that's down from hundred failing/panicing
[14:45] <rick_h_> katco: <3
[14:46] <natefinch> rick_h_: I haven't, actually. I should do that.
[14:46] <natefinch> I'm sure it'll pass, since I hand-wrote the list of ciphers we support, but it would be good to verify with the tool they're using
[14:46] <rick_h_> natefinch: rgr, it's what the bug is filed with so if we don't pass the tool, the bug reportor will come back at us.
[14:53] <mup> Bug #1614724 changed: Juju isn't protected from new versions of LXD <juju-release-tools:New> <juju-core (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614724>
[14:53] <mup> Bug #1614992 opened: Cannot assign unit: unable to connect <add-unit> <ci> <intermittent-failure> <jujuqa> <juju-core:Triaged by rharding> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614992>
[15:08] <natefinch> lol, I've forgotten how to bootstrap 1.25
[15:09] <katco> not sure i've done that myself in awhile
[15:10] <natefinch> you have to switch environments first and then juju bootstrap without specifying the environment
[15:10] <natefinch> but now it's saying no registered provider for lxd, which is weird
[15:10] <katco> lxd is a 2.0 thing haha
[15:11] <katco> believe it or not. it's been that long
[15:11] <natefinch> lol
[15:11] <natefinch> wow
[15:11] <katco> have to use local i think? or lxc
[15:11] <natefinch> lcoal yeah
[15:11] <natefinch> lulz
[15:12] <natefinch> and gce panics during bootstrap with a nil pointer
[15:13] <natefinch> oy
[15:13] <katco> wtf? on latest in 1.2x?
[15:14] <natefinch> yep.  I'm guessing it's this line:
[15:14] <natefinch> 		// The missing credentials will be caught later.
[15:14] <natefinch> 		return nil, nil
[15:14] <natefinch> oh, they were caught all right
[15:15] <katco> sigh... please raise a critical bug. gce flat out not working is a huge deal i imagine. rick_h_ ^^^
[15:15] <natefinch> it's an edge-ish case, I think.  my config specifies a credentials file that apparently isn't there
[15:15] <natefinch> lemme double check if that's the problem
[15:16] <katco> ah
[15:16] <katco> that would make me feel loads better
[15:17] <natefinch> no, that's not it.  Sorry, let me figure out exactly what's causing it
[15:17] <katco> i hope it's an edge case
[15:19] <natefinch> yeah, my config is all messed up. wrong property names and stuff. Possibly from very very early in gce lifetime
[15:20] <natefinch> Let me attempt to fix it and double check gce works, but I'm pretty sure that's it
[15:23] <mup> Bug #1615008 opened: jujud uses max cpu cores 100% overnight <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615008>
[15:31] <natefinch> ahhh..... this is not a helpful error message: ERROR there was an issue examining the environment: invalid config: key "project_id" not supported
[15:31] <natefinch> what environment? what config? where?
[15:32] <katco> natefinch: like ~/.juju/environments.yaml under "local"
[15:32] <katco> likely
[15:32] <natefinch> yeabut.. that key doesn't exist there
[15:32] <natefinch> and I don't have JUJU_HOME set
[15:33]  * rick_h_ runs to long family lunch today biab
[15:33] <natefinch> or any JUJU_* variable, actually
[15:33] <katco> grep -r project_id ${HOME}
[15:34] <natefinch> yeah, just started running that.  gonna be a while
[15:35] <natefinch> funny seeing it pick up javascript in my browser cache
[15:37] <natefinch> Skills: 5+ years of Agile, Scrum
[15:38] <natefinch> oh recruiters
[15:39] <natefinch> MUST have long projects and long time in US
[15:39] <natefinch> ...what does that even mean?
[15:39] <perrito666> natefinch: wrong channel?
[15:39] <natefinch> nope
[15:40] <natefinch> recruiter sent me an email for a .Net job.
[15:40] <perrito666> probably means they wont do the h1 for you
[15:40] <natefinch> We are looking to fill a contract opportunity with one of our direct customers and like to check if you have any resources available for the same. Please submit the resume with rate, contact details, and availability.  Kindly note that each resource submitted must be on your W2 payroll.
[15:40] <katco> i once had a recruiter attempt to recruit me to my old company
[15:41] <mgz> what's a w2 payroll?
[15:41] <mgz> "must have long projects, must not have long hair"
[15:41] <natefinch> W2 is the form a business uses to report your income to the government (and to you)
[15:42] <natefinch> it sounds like this was half rewritten from something sent to a contracting company
[15:42] <natefinch> Job Title : Superstar .Net Technical Lead/Architect (strong SQL) (Chi)-multi-year contract (long projects)
[15:42] <mgz> yeah, they seem to think you are an owner of resources
[15:43] <perrito666> I thought owning such resources was sort of illegal
[15:43] <perrito666> for at least a couple of hundred years?
[15:43] <natefinch> haha
[15:43] <natefinch> you don't own them, you just rent them out
[15:46] <redir> morning
[15:46] <katco> hey redir
[15:50] <natefinch> katco: I figured out the gce problem... I'm using a file to hold my gce credentials, and evidently that file format does not work for 1.25.  I'll test in a minute if it works for 2.0
[15:50] <katco> ah cool
[15:57] <perrito666> btw, reviewboard is back, you can thank sinzui for that
[15:58] <natefinch> 2016-08-19 15:57:27 ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:429 cannot initiate replica set: cannot dial mongo to initiate replicaset: no reachable servers
[15:58] <natefinch> ERROR failed to bootstrap environment: subprocess encountered error code 1
[15:58] <natefinch> ffffffffffffff....
[16:11] <natefinch> me testing this bug fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1CYncXkCv4
[16:55]  * natefinch abandons gce for now and bootstraps amazon
[17:05] <natefinch> uh hmm
[17:05] <natefinch> is 1.25  supposed to work on xenial?
[17:08] <redir> natefinch: does that mean you'll be breaking bad soon?
[17:09] <natefinch> redir: gotta break sumethin'
[17:11] <redir> natefinch: lemme know when it happens, I'll make popcorn:)
[17:14] <mup> Bug #1615051 opened: Dubious hook failures deploying trivial charm <ci> <deploy> <hooks> <jujuqa> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged by rharding> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615051>
[17:14] <rick_h_> natefinch: 1.25 is packed ajd in universe for xenial...so yes? 1.25 and local...not so much
[17:15] <cmars> fix for LP:#1614330, http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5484/
[17:15] <mup> Bug #1614330: agree command uses 'less' for a pager, fails on windows <windows> <juju-core:In Progress by cmars> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614330>
[17:15] <rick_h_> perrito666: can you review ^ please?
[17:20] <perrito666> rick_h_: certainly
[17:20] <rick_h_> perrito666: ty much
[17:21] <natefinch> hm... I seem to remember there being some extra tweak I had to do to TLS for mongo because mongo was being a turd
[17:21] <katco> really quick review for someone who has a few seconds: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5485/
[17:21] <natefinch> yes yes, I have it
[17:30] <perrito666> cmars: did you see thumper's patch that now takes stuff and writes them into a writer?
[17:30] <cmars> perrito666, no
[17:30] <perrito666> cmars: landed last night iirc
[17:31] <perrito666> cmars: you tried this with latest masteR?
[17:32] <cmars> perrito666, implemented & tested this on top of 3785445 which is pretty recent
[17:33] <perrito666> cmars: please try with current master and if so ill ship it
[17:34] <cmars> perrito666, it's up to date with current master, a fetch & a rebase show it's still up to date w/master. i tested this maybe 30 min ago
[17:35] <perrito666> k, ship it
[17:36] <cmars> perrito666, thanks
[17:36] <perrito666> np
[17:53] <natefinch> katco: I updated http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5480/ with steps to test using the script from the bug (after verifying it myself).
[17:53] <katco> natefinch: ta. i will finally be getting around to this in just a bit
[17:53] <natefinch> good timing then :)
[18:13] <natefinch> katco: welp... - https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1477712
[18:13] <mup> Bug #1477712: GCE provider dumps stacktrace when missing a config option/value <config> <gce-provider> <panic> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477712>
[18:14] <natefinch>  reported by Charles Butler on 2015-07-23 importance: medium
[18:14] <katco> wow this was reported over a year ago
[18:16] <natefinch> also this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1533790
[18:16] <mup> Bug #1533790: GCE provider is very restrictive when using a config-file (json) <docteam> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533790>
[18:16] <natefinch> both are 1.25 only
[18:16] <natefinch> it behaves nicely in 2.0
[18:16] <redir> EAsy review anyone http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5486/
[18:23] <rick_h_> natefinch: katco good to know, I'm glad to hear we cleaned it up in 2.0.
[18:23] <rick_h_> natefinch: with that in can you look at redir's pr please?
[18:23] <natefinch> rick_h_: yep
[18:24] <rick_h_> katco: I'll QA yours here in a sec just need someone to do the code review
[18:24] <katco> rick_h_: cool ty
[18:40] <katco> natefinch: qa checks out
[18:43] <rick_h_> katco: QA in, it wasn't clear what changes to expect in this branch vs not expect so feel free to tell me to be patient for future branches
[18:43] <katco> rick_h_: it only corrects the bugs mentioned in the commit message
[18:44] <rick_h_> katco: right, but in my QA it only fixes the local case in that bug not the full bug
[18:44] <katco> rick_h_: which now that i type that i remember you had listed multiple issues
[18:44] <katco> rick_h_: let me fix the rest. that bit is trivial now that i can just write unit tests
[18:44] <rick_h_> katco: rgr, it was a wrapper for several "deploy" scenarios around the exposure of "add charm" which shows up in the QA several cases still
[18:44] <rick_h_> katco: k
[18:47] <rick_h_> katco: <3 on the reduction of api connections and such
[18:48] <katco> rick_h_: yeah that was kind of rediculous
[18:48] <katco> rick_h_: but that's what i mean when i say cruft builds up. people are understandably just trying to get their change in, and they just cargo-cult bad practice
[19:00] <redir> aka tech debt
[19:07] <natefinch> rick_h_: can I jfdi this backport of the security fix?  the changes are very localized and highly unlikely to break anything unrelated.
[19:08] <natefinch> (for 1.25)
[19:08] <rick_h_>  natefinch shoulnd't need to since you can fixes-xxxxx
[19:08] <rick_h_> natefinch: unless I'm missing something?
[19:08] <natefinch> rick_h_: not sure how that works for private bugs
[19:09] <natefinch> rick_h_: I can try :)
[19:11] <rick_h_> natefinch: well this all came about because the bot told voidspace he couldn't land because it wasn't that fix so I'd expect it to work
[19:11] <natefinch> ha, ok
[19:11] <rick_h_> natefinch: obviously, if that doesn't you're fixing a blocking critical so jfdi seems the only way around it
[19:12] <natefinch> rick_h_: yeah, just didn't realize it was a blocker since I usually use juju.fail for that, which I believe you mentioned has that blind spot for private bugs
[19:12] <rick_h_> natefinch: rgr
[19:17] <natefinch> redir: your PR fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1614732 - so that's the thing bug should be testing, right?
[19:17] <mup> Bug #1614732: Race in github.com/juju/juju/api/state.go <ci> <intermittent-failure> <race-condition> <regression> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Fix Committed by reedobrien> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614732>
[19:18] <redir> natefinch: I  don't follow
[19:18] <natefinch> redir: sorry, changed thoughts mid-sentence
[19:19] <redir> natefinch: understood
[19:19] <natefinch> redir: the QA steps are a little unclear.
[19:19] <redir> ahh
[19:19] <redir> I'll update
[19:20] <natefinch> redir: I should apply the mgo patch and then run the api test suite with -race on a slow AWS machine, and it should trigger the race?  And then apply your patch and it should no longer trigger the race?
[19:22] <redir> natefinch: to clarify when running the fix on the aws instance it was no longer triggering hte race that it fixes, but the other race which has a fix htat is waiting for upstream to incormprate. So I applied that patch too, to make sure it doesn't hide the race that this PR is addressing.
[19:22] <redir> I do'nt know if htat is more clear but Le t me know if not
[19:23] <redir> and I'll update the PR desc on RB
[19:23] <natefinch> redir: I get it.  Just wanted to make sure I was understanding it correctly
[19:23] <redir> OK
[19:32] <natefinch> f yeah, tests that rely on files in the git, thanks!
[19:33] <katco> ......
[19:33] <natefinch> panic: cannot read repository found at "/home/nate/src/github.com/juju/juju/testcharms/charm-repo"
[19:34] <natefinch> I geuss it was foolish to think we had isolated tests.  I was trying to avoid having to set up a whole dev environment on an aws server in order to catch a race condition
[19:35] <natefinch> maybe if I just run hangouts and compile juju while I run the tests, that'll be slow enough to trigger the race
[19:36] <katco> we have to chip away at this stuff as we see it. it's the only way forward
[19:39] <rick_h_> natefinch: 1hr limit, if you can't QA it in that time then just review the code please and let the CI runs figure out if the race appears again or not
[19:39] <natefinch> rick_h_: ok, thanks
[19:39] <natefinch> ls
[19:46] <redir> natefinch: just symlink /home/ubuntu to home/nate...
[19:48] <redir> natefinch: also. Uh, I'll update the wiki
[19:49] <natefinch> redir: I was trying to run a test binary on a machine without any of our code or anything... it probably would have failed due to not having mongo there anyway
[19:49] <natefinch> sinzui: is the landing bot for 1.25 using go 1.2?  It seems to be missing TLS ciphers that are in 1.6 but not 1.2
[19:50] <sinzui> natefinch: check the Makefile
[19:51] <natefinch> sinzui: I don't know where the makefile is
[19:51] <redir> natefinch: true. I installed mongo on the instance and rsynced the env up... whatevs
[19:51] <sinzui> natefinch: the landing bot is go 1.6. the tests come from the juju branch. If the Makefile in the branch installs the wrong go, then you found your problem
[19:52] <perrito666> aghh this is ridiculous, I need to fix a bug to be able to reproduce another
[19:52] <sinzui> natefinch: in my experience, the Makefile is rarely updted to match the deps
[19:52] <natefinch> sinzui: oh, THAT makefile. Sorry
[19:52] <sinzui> perrito666: get in line. natefinch is about 4 bugs deep trying to fix  azure windows deploy.
[19:53] <perrito666> sinzui: I am starting to be suspicious of one of the reports as it sounds odd that they could actually find that issue with the other in place
[19:53] <natefinch> sinzui: I thought axw was working on the azure bug
[19:53] <mup> Bug #1615095 opened: storage: volumes not supported <landscape> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615095>
[19:54] <sinzui> natefinch: He is. you were working in the winows machines do not come up when we deoploy a windows charm. That is difficult to fix when the azure provider is broken and metadata generate-tools is broken
[19:55] <natefinch> sinzui: for what it's worth, the bug with TLS is not the problem with that. the machine downloads the tools from the controller just fine.  Andrew submitted a fix for some other bug that I saw on the machine later.  Ihoped that would fix the last of the azure bugs.
[19:57] <natefinch> sinzui: and I *think* the makefile is installing go 1.6?  I can't tell if that's actually what it's using to build, though.  And given that it's failing to find tls ciphersuites that exist in 1.6 but not in 1.2, I'd say it's probably not using 1.6 to compile.
[19:57] <natefinch> I should make a canary file to tell us when someone tries to compile with an old version of go
[19:57] <sinzui> natefinch: I wish you had said that earlier. I agree with you
[19:57] <sinzui> natefinch: http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/4278/job/azure-arm-deploy-windows-amd64/attempt/100
[19:58] <sinzui> natefinch: ^ I see the windows charms were deployed and they did exchange tokens
[19:58] <sinzui> natefinch: The failue is just azure is slow. I bet this test would pass if I added 10 minutes
[19:59] <natefinch> oh yeah, I saw Ian say that azure slowed even further with their latest update because everything is serialized now
[20:00] <natefinch> redir: gave you a ship it... didn't ultimately have time to run the tests, but I trust you did, and the code is simple enough.
[20:00] <natefinch> I gotta run early today, prepping for daughter's birthday party tomorrow
[20:01] <redir> natefinch: yeah and still running, if it doesn't trigger by my EoD I'll merge. I was able to repro pretty easily -- and repeatedly before fixing.
[20:02] <natefinch> cool
[20:25] <cmars> i'm confused why this didn't land: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6043
[20:25] <cmars> specifically http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/8854/
[20:26] <mup> Bug #1615106 opened: actionSuite.SetUpTest: forcibly closed <ci> <intermittent-failure> <mongodb> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged by rharding> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615106>
[20:26] <mup> Bug #1615108 opened: ConstraintsMerge arch problems <arm64> <ci> <jujuqa> <ppc64el> <s390x> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Triaged by rharding> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615108>
[20:26] <mup> Bug #1615112 opened: EnableHASuite.SetUpTest: forcibly closed <intermittent-failure> <jujuqa> <mongodb> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged by rharding> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615112>
[20:29] <perrito666> cmars: flaky test
[20:30] <cmars> perrito666, should i wait for it to be fixed? or just keep trying?
[20:30] <perrito666> cmars: retry, it has been like that for a while
[20:36]  * perrito666 runs slow tests
[20:36] <perrito666> cmars: if its a known flaky test (as is the case with that agent one) I believe that your magic number is 3, if same failure hits you 3 times you have broken it a bit more than it already was
[20:38] <cmars> perrito666, uh-oh, this is the third try.. D:
[20:42] <perrito666> same failure?
[20:42] <cmars> perrito666, running now
[20:42] <perrito666> cmars: you might want to run that isolated test on your machine
[20:59]  * rick_h_ runs, have a good weekend folks
[21:06] <mup> Bug #1615118 opened: clientSuite.TearDownTest: mongodb has exited without being killed <ci> <intermittent-failure> <jujuqa> <mongodb> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged by rharding> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615118>
[21:06] <mup> Bug #1615121 opened: SettingsSuite.SetUpSuite "no reachable servers" <ci> <intermittent-failure> <jujuqa> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core kpi-metrics:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1615121>
[21:27] <redir> taking a break, bbiab