[01:11] <bryceh> Sarvatt, hey did you get an arsenal script to search through Xorg.0.log files?
[01:51] <superm1> Sarvatt, bug 537801
[01:51] <superm1> wait a minute, it asked me if i want to include my "sensitive" logs from gdm and then makes the bug public?
[01:51] <superm1> that doesn't seem right
[02:20] <bryceh> superm1, it takes sudo privs to access them
[02:20] <bryceh> superm1, but we're not going to manually eyeball the gdm scripts to sanitize them of any sensitive info
[02:21] <bryceh> I'm not really even sure why they require su to look at them
[02:22] <superm1> ah i see
[02:38] <Sarvatt> superm1: ohh boy..
[02:39] <Sarvatt> that device actually has a proprietary blob driver not in ubuntu
[02:39] <Sarvatt> evtouch is whats supposed to support it for the basics, wacom is just taking control of it
[02:44] <Sarvatt> this is the driver for ubuntu btw - http://www.ideacom.com.tw/download/DRIVE/IDC_Linux_3_1_0.tar.gz
[02:44] <superm1> Sarvatt, it worked without it though in karmic?
[02:48] <superm1> so i guess evtouch was grabbing it in karmic then based on what you're saying
[02:49] <superm1> but that appears to be in universe now in lucid?
[02:51] <Sarvatt> yeah, I'm really unsure of the status of evtouch in lucid, it doesn't even look to be functional with a udev xserver at first glance?
[02:51] <superm1> it looks like it's depending on an old version of xserver-xorg-core
[02:58] <superm1> unstable looks to have a patch for x server 1.7
[02:58] <Sarvatt> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
[02:58] <Sarvatt> yeah
[02:58] <Sarvatt> bryce was looking into syncing it earlier
[02:58] <superm1> so is our delta droppable then?
[03:04] <Sarvatt> the delta is all fdi files it looks like which are not functional anymore and need translating into udev rules, that's going to need some serious work
[03:07] <superm1> is there a guide for doing that?
[03:08] <superm1> looking at th existing rules, it seems a lot of them are just setting the x driver, not any bits
[03:09] <superm1> oh synaptics seems to do options too
[03:11] <superm1> oh but what a disgusting init script it had
[03:11] <superm1> i am starting to think i dont want to commit to helping with this ;)
[03:12] <bryceh> yeah I put in a sync request on -evtouch yesterday.  Waiting on an archive admin to flag it through
[03:12] <Sarvatt> need to be sure it'd actually even work before anyway, i'd start by grabbing the one from squeeze and adding your device to the udev rules it has to see if it even works
[03:12] <bryceh> I don't know if the current evtouch driver works, but it certainly doesn't build against xserver
[03:13] <bryceh> tjaalton didn't think the fdi's would need converted to udev
[03:13] <bryceh> however I wrote a page explaiing how to do this on the ubuntu-x wiki, in the input config section
[03:14] <Sarvatt> i need to find a really cheap evtouch device
[03:15] <superm1> Sarvatt, http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=blcwwfp&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&kc=vostro-v13
[03:15] <superm1> that's what i have
[03:17] <Sarvatt> a bit out of my price range :) i think they sell cheapo usb digitizers people use to convert existing screens that work with evtouch though
[03:37] <Sarvatt> so we need a udev rule that sets the symlink, port all our hal matches and quirks to it, and figure out how to not have wacom interfere with it and vice versa because it seems wacom is loading for everything that matches ID_INPUT_TABLET
[03:37]  * Sarvatt wishes we had xorg.conf.d right about now
[03:37] <bryceh> don't we?
[03:38] <Sarvatt> nope thats xserver 1.8
[03:40] <bryceh> I think tjaalton backported it
[03:41] <bryceh> maybe I'm wrong
[03:45] <Sarvatt> he was playing with it but i'm not sure its something sane to backport especially this late, he had to remove the input abi bump in that came with it and remove ifdef's for the higher input abi so wacom would work with it and i have no idea if other drivers have similar things
[03:49] <Sarvatt> superm1: does your device work if you remove /lib/udev/rules.d/69-xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules ?
[04:01] <Sarvatt> packaging that blob ideacom driver seems like a good idea even if I just throw it in a PPA, asus and dell are both using that same device for their netbook touchscreens :D
[04:04] <superm1> Sarvatt, it would be best to get it in restricted tbh
[04:04] <superm1> Sarvatt, i just installed the debian package and things didn't work, i'll brb and try to remove that rule
[04:08] <superm1> Sarvatt, well without that rule wacom doesn't load, but evtouch isn't loading either
[04:08] <superm1> so i'm guessing it still needs some kind of udev rule
[04:09] <Sarvatt> yeah evdev should be taking it without the wacom rule, I was wondering if evdev was working with it
[04:09] <superm1> http://pastebin.com/PCzdX3pV
[04:13] <Sarvatt> does that device show up in lsusb?
[04:14] <Sarvatt> if so can you pastebin lsusb -v?
[04:14] <superm1> http://pastebin.com/hFry6d9y
[04:15] <superm1> looks like yea
[04:50] <Sarvatt> superm1: maybe something like this as say /lib/udev/rules.d/67-xorg-evtouch.rules -- http://pastebin.com/0FmeGQpm
[04:52] <Sarvatt> or maybe just dropping lines 10-20 even if that doesn't work
[04:59] <tjaalton> superm1, Sarvatt: yeah wacom shouldn't be the "catch-all" tablet driver, but evdev
[05:00] <tjaalton> and xorg.conf.d doesn't really work for video drivers, because they need more than just the Driver section (in order to do fallbacks for instance)
[05:01] <tjaalton> superm1: so try to get evdev load, it should match evtouch in functionality
[05:01] <tjaalton> +to
[05:05] <superm1> Sarvatt, that udev rule didn't do the trick
[05:05] <superm1> nor with removing lines 15-20
[05:07] <tjaalton> move the wacom rule away, does it load evdev then?
[05:09] <superm1> i posted the pastebin above with wacom out of the way
[05:09] <superm1> i'm a bit confused, it looked like it tried to load evdev for a joystick device
[05:13] <tjaalton> heh, yeah it needs a patch to only load for event*
[05:14] <tjaalton> type: MOUSE
[05:14] <tjaalton> so probably got it wrong then
[05:24] <Sarvatt> elographics seems to have fallen through the cracks too, lucid archive and debian git versions dont compile against xserver 1.7
[05:25] <Sarvatt> luckily theres http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-drv-elographics/elographics-1.2.3-abi.patch?view=markup
[05:27] <Sarvatt> same with mutouch http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/xorg-x11-drv-mutouch/mutouch-1.2.1-abi.patch?view=markup
[05:28] <tjaalton> luckily? those should just die :)
[06:47] <libv> tjaalton: about xorg.conf.d; it could've worked for graphics drivers
[06:48] <libv> but the modesetting model adopted for RandR1.2 lacked the expressivity to do this properly
[06:49] <libv> and now people are all on kms anyway, so there is no point going there (as "relevant" drivers will not go close anyway)
[08:16] <tjaalton> libv: ok
[08:45] <tjaalton> is the intel gpu lockup thingie a bit trigger happy perhaps?
[08:46] <tjaalton> intel has 50 more bugs than nvidia-180, 509 and counting :)
[14:31] <jcristau> bryceh: xserver -1u3 is not in git?
[17:19] <unggnu> hi all
[17:20] <unggnu> I have some problems with font rendering and Intel since quite some time. Karmic is affected and Lucid too. It seems better since the 2.6.33 drm but lately I have seen it again. Some lines are just black or completly white and if I scroll them out of the view and back again they are fine. What's the best way to debug things like that?
[17:21] <unggnu> But there definately seem to be less corruptions than before 2.6.33 drm
[17:21] <unggnu> Or does it might also be a Firefox problem?
[17:23] <unggnu> Btw. is the overlay support backported in the -intel driver for Lucid?
[20:27] <sebner> bryceh: around by any chance?
[20:30] <Sarvatt> hmm  ${SHA1_LIB} was removed from XSERVER_SYS_LIBS in the newest xserver <IP_ADDRESS>2 ( http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?h=server-1.7-branch&id=ff5fb43a4b38c707a1a9948ace621a62b5b2457a ), our xkb cache patch isn't working now and looks related to that
[20:30] <Sarvatt> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40884919/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.xorg-server_2:<IP_ADDRESS>2~git20100312%2Bserver-1.7-branch.5a2b3f36-0ubuntu0sarvatt_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:31] <bryceh> Sarvatt, hrm
[20:31] <bryceh> Sarvatt, was there a rationale for removing it?
[20:40] <tjaalton> looks like a mistake
[20:45] <bjsnider> ok, why is nvidia-current creating libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 as a link to the .so version?
[20:48] <bjsnider> my package creates the .so version as a link to the 19x.xx.xx file, which is the soname of the library. but why is a .so.1 link necessary too?
[20:49] <superm1> bjsnider, probably want to raise that again whenever tseliot is in the room
[20:51] <bjsnider> why are the old packaging scripts set up to create the links in the .links files as well as manually in the rules file?
[20:52] <superm1> They're old :)
[20:52] <tjaalton> looks like a mistake
[20:52] <tjaalton> (echo)
[20:52] <bjsnider> why isn't it sunny today...
[20:52] <bjsnider> ok, i'm going to retire from the question asking business
[20:52] <superm1> haha
[20:55] <bjsnider> what i don't understand is, if a library has a soname of anything except 1, for example 52 like libavcodec, you have libavcodec.so.52
[20:55] <bjsnider> then you have a link, libavcodec.so that points to it
[20:55] <bjsnider> i can understand that link
[20:55] <bjsnider> the linker doesn't know for sure what the soname is, so you need that generic link
[20:56] <bjsnider> but why create the .so.1 link?
[20:56] <bjsnider> everything seems to need a .so.1 link even if the soname isn't actually 1
[20:59] <tjaalton> The run-time library package should include the symbolic link that ldconfig would create for the shared libraries. For example, the libgdbm3 package should include a symbolic link from /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.3 to libgdbm.so.3.0.0. This is needed so that the dynamic linker (for example ld.so or ld-linux.so.*) can find the library between the time that dpkg installs it and the time that ldconfig is run in the postinst script
[21:00] <tjaalton> from the debian policy
[21:01] <jarek> Who can build package with current openchrome trunk? It can resolve many bugs for via chips.
[21:02] <jarek> I can test it on my laptop
[21:02] <tjaalton> jarek: what about the version on debian?
[21:02] <tjaalton> it should be synced anyway
[21:03] <jarek> it's quite old for debian
[21:04] <jarek> So, I need to contact with debian devs?
[21:04] <tjaalton> huh, old?
[21:04] <jarek> without latest commits ;)
[21:06] <jarek> current svn is 840, but package is 812
[21:06] <tjaalton> right
[21:07] <jarek> ther is patch witch can fix problem with resolution on my laptop
[21:08] <jarek> I want test it, but I am not familiar with compilation that kind of stuff
[21:10] <tjaalton> svn ftl
[21:13] <jarek> I must force myself to do this some day
[21:14] <jarek> currently I'm using windows on this old crap
[21:18] <jcristau> bjsnider: ld -lfoo looks for libfoo.so
[21:18] <jcristau> bjsnider: and produces a binary with a reference to libfoo.so.N
[21:18] <jcristau> bjsnider: so at runtime ld.so sees that reference and loads libfoo.so.N
[21:21] <tjaalton> jarek: what card/chip do you have?
[21:23] <bjsnider> jcristau, yes, that i understand perfectly. what i don't understand is creating the libfoo.so.1 link to libfoo.so.N
[21:24] <jcristau> eh, what?
[21:24] <jcristau> there's no .so.1 link
[21:25] <bjsnider> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/nvidia-current/annotate/head:/debian/nvidia-current.links.in
[21:26] <bjsnider> you can see them being created all over the place there
[21:26] <bjsnider> and they were in the previous packaging scripts too
[21:26] <jcristau> oh. nvidia.
[21:28] <jarek> It's unichrome pro, Fujitsu Amilo L7310W
[21:28] <jcristau> bjsnider: for libGL, its SONAME *is* libGL.so.1.  the others i have no idea.
[21:29] <jarek> I'm not sure chipset name, can be CN400 or PM880
[21:29] <bjsnider> jcristau, so perhaps this is some sort of bizarro nvidia quirk?
[21:31] <tjaalton> or just a packging goof
[21:31] <jcristau> bjsnider: anything related to nvidia is a bizarro quirk as far as i'm concerned :)
[21:32] <bjsnider> the libs in here are named like this: libnvidia-compiler.so.190.53
[21:32] <bjsnider> so i don't see why a .so link to that isn't good enough
[21:33] <jcristau> did you check what the soname is?
[21:33] <bjsnider> that is the soname isn't it?
[21:33] <jcristau> ?
[21:33] <jcristau> how should i know
[21:33] <bjsnider> it's called 190.53 so isn't that the soname?
[21:33] <jcristau> no
[21:34] <bjsnider> i see
[21:35] <jcristau> the soname is in the elf header.  it may be the same as the file name, or it may be different
[21:36] <bjsnider> how am i supposed to check that?
[21:37] <jcristau> objdump -p
[21:38] <bjsnider> jarek, there's another driver called unichrome that might work as well. the developer is in here
[21:38] <bjsnider> especially if your hardware is "old crap" as you put it
[21:39] <jarek> tjaalton: I googled for chipset name, and it saying PN800, but system information for windows showing pci names CN400/PM880
[21:44] <jarek> bjsnider, my laptop isn't working like I expected a years ago, since then I tested livecd without succes
[21:45] <jarek> I can't do testing on working alerdy system
[21:46] <bjsnider> have you ever tried the unichrome driver?
[21:46] <bjsnider> jcristau, all of these sonames are 1, so perhaps the so.1 link is necessary for that reason?
[21:46] <jcristau> yes
[21:48] <jarek> I really don't remember, but I'm using older driver then openchrome, can be via or unichrome
[21:48] <bjsnider> you don't know what driver you're currently using?
[21:49] <jarek> currently my laptop is windows land
[21:49] <bjsnider> oh right
[21:50] <bjsnider> so it didn't work off the livecd
[21:50] <jarek> it's started with wrong resolution
[21:50] <bjsnider> libv, which driver would be best for this guy's hardware?
[21:50] <jarek> I see  1/4 of screen
[21:51] <bjsnider> that ain't good
[21:52] <jarek> It's known bug
[21:52] <jarek> but the cure is propably in current trunk on openchrome
[21:52] <jarek> I hope to test it on lucid prime time
[21:53] <bjsnider> luc might not be here at the present time
[21:56] <BUGabundo> bu noute
[21:58] <jarek> bjsnider: If it's too late for lucid, I will wait for daily 10.10 builds, hope my laptop will run without problems then
[22:00] <bjsnider> jarek, stick around in here until luc is here and then discuss it with him
[22:00] <jarek> ok, thanks


[00:43] <Flare183> Can I setup the bug-triage application to where I can use it with Launchpad?
[00:43] <Flare183> And if so, how?
[00:50] <BUGabundo> Flare183: please refrase your question
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I didn't understand it
[00:50] <Flare183> !info bug-triage
[00:50] <ubot4> Flare183: bug-triage (source: bug-triage): Bug triaging and forwarding tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.2-1 (jaunty), package size 26 kB, installed size 328 kB
[00:50] <Flare183> That package.
[00:50] <Flare183> I want to set it up with Ubuntu's Bugs
[00:52] <BUGabundo> Flare183: there's apport
[00:52] <BUGabundo> which is LP and Ubuntu specific
[00:52] <Flare183> BUGabundo: IBut I'm trying triage bugs, not report them.
[00:52] <Flare183> But*
[01:14] <skazi21101> i think i found bug in installer on installation disc and in all generic kernels. i have asus x51rl laptop. and i want very much that it become workable. i can`t install ubuntu to it since 8.04, because installation process fail (installer can`t see my cd drive).
[01:14] <skazi21101> then i experimented with the kernel trying to compile it
[01:15] <skazi21101> and the solution comes cery quickly. i fixed fstab
[01:15] <skazi21101> it was /dev/!!!hdb!!!        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[01:15] <skazi21101> it became /dev/!!!sg0!!!        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[01:16] <skazi21101> it was hdb by dafault and cd doew not work
[01:16] <skazi21101> but after fix it work perfectly
[01:16] <skazi21101> is it interesting to ubuntu?
[01:18] <BUGabundo> HI skazi21101
[01:18] <BUGabundo> let me read it
[01:19] <skazi21101> sorry for my english
[01:19] <BUGabundo> np
[01:19] <BUGabundo> please file a bug and input that data
[01:19] <BUGabundo> use $ubuntu-bug linux
[01:20] <BUGabundo> it will collect most required data
[01:20] <BUGabundo> and open a website (launchpad.net)
[01:20] <BUGabundo> where you will need an account and then you can file the report
[01:20] <BUGabundo> thanks for your interest in making Ubuntu better skazi21101
[01:21] <skazi21101> there is a problem with launchpad
[01:21] <skazi21101> time errors
[01:21] <skazi21101> and time outs
[01:21] <skazi21101> i just want to know. as for the first look, am i right or wrong?
[01:22] <skazi21101> i`m novice in ubuntu.
[06:02] <micahg> ping hggdh
[06:14] <micahg> bug 413952, convert to Q?
[06:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 413952 in firefox-3.0 "Virus attacks.destruction of my netw. conf. all the time.Impossible to conf.: WPA2 enterprise param. with private key.Not professionnal." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/413952
[08:10] <micahg> hi
[08:10] <mac_v> hi
[08:10] <micahg> ok what version ar eyou running
[08:10] <micahg> I think the latest is .6
[08:11] <mac_v> version of? grease monkey is .8
[08:11] <micahg> which package are you using?/
[08:12] <mac_v> i got it from> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/launchpad-gm-scripts/master/files
[08:12] <mac_v> the stock replies.js
[08:13] <micahg> try getting the whole package from here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/+archive/ppa
[08:15] <mac_v> micahg: but wouldnt that install all the scripts? or would i be able to choose?
[08:17] <micahg> it installs them all, but you choose which one to use :)
[08:17] <micahg> it's really ahndy
[08:17] <micahg> *handy
[08:18] <mac_v> hmmm... ah, i could disable it in grease monkey , nice... i'll install and see how it works
[08:20] <micahg> ok, I'm going to bed, I'll be on tomorrow
[08:20] <micahg> or later today as it is
[08:21] <mac_v>  nite...
[11:07] <BUGabundo> good morning
[12:33] <ziroday> Hi, is there a way to accurately pinpoint suspend/hibernate failures, which log files should I be looking at?
[12:35] <micahg> ziroday: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[12:35] <micahg> This one might be better: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume
[12:35] <ziroday> micahg: more bed time reading
[12:36] <ziroday> also for some reason it likes to disable networking when coming out of suspend
[12:38] <micahg> ziroday: which chipset?
[12:38] <ziroday> micahg: bcm4322 using the wl driver.
[12:39] <micahg> hmm idk
[12:39] <micahg> which version of ubuntu?
[12:41] <ziroday> jaunty, about to test karmic
[12:42] <micahg> ok
[12:43] <micahg> You can try #ubuntu to see if anyone has a quick answer
[13:10] <muxfr> Hi
[13:11] <muxfr> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508442
[13:11] <ubot4> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 508442 in alsa-lib "default mixer setting too low on Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HDA [8086:293e]" [Low,New]
[13:11] <muxfr> this bug seems to affect my sound card,
[13:11] <muxfr> I never could get it working.
[13:11] <muxfr> Is that bug fixed or still there?
[13:11] <muxfr> it's intel ICH9
[13:12] <muxfr> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[13:12] <muxfr> 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc R700 Audio Device [Radeon HD 4000 Series]
[17:35] <hggdh> hey kklimonda, just remembered: Welcome in!! How does it feel to be able to change the importance?
[17:41] <BUGabundo> hahah
[17:41] <BUGabundo> isn't that old news?
[17:41] <BUGabundo> or am I time warping ?
[17:41] <hggdh> it is old news, some 4 days old, or so. But I had forgotten
[17:49] <kklimonda> hggdh: even older :)
[17:49] <kklimonda> hggdh: it's useful :)
[17:50] <BUGabundo> now I have yet another smuck to nag about :)
[17:50]  * BUGabundo is still _considering_ applying
[17:50] <kklimonda> :D
[17:50] <BUGabundo> well it took me 8 months to apply to Membership
[17:51] <BUGabundo> so I still have time for bug squad :)
[17:52] <hggdh> well, 4 days, or four weeks, it's almost the same on the cosmic scale
[17:52] <kklimonda> true
[17:53] <hggdh> and, still, I had forgotten ;-)
[17:54] <hggdh> which *could* be used as part of a proof that my memory is not up to par with the cosmic scale
[17:54] <BUGabundo> now that remind me of TOTBB tv show intro
[17:55] <kklimonda> or you are just synced to the cosmic scale and don't care about days and weeks ;)
[17:56] <hggdh> heh
[18:23] <yvan300> ok, i still can't really catch on with this whole triaging bugs thing, can anyone give me an example of what i should do with this typical bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/414489
[18:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414489 in pulseaudio "Feature request: dynamic range compression" [Undecided,New]
[18:24] <grepory> yvan300: don't feel bad.  i am fairly clueless too.
[18:25] <micahg> relax, we're here to help :)
[18:25] <yvan300> grepory, glad i'm not the only one
[18:25] <yvan300> so can you tell me what i should do micahg?
[18:25]  * micahg is looking
[18:25] <yvan300> :)
[18:26] <hggdh> hum.
[18:26] <yvan300> micahg, so, what needs to be done?
[18:27] <hggdh> that one really sounds like a wishlist
[18:27] <hggdh> yvan300, you decided to start with a not-so-easy-to-work-without-experience bug ;-)
[18:27] <yvan300> hggdh, oh, well could you guys point me to a bug and show me how it should be solved?
[18:27] <grepory> it looks like dynamic range compression has been on their todo list for a while
[18:28] <hggdh> it *sounds* like a wishlist
[18:28] <micahg> sorry my browser borked
[18:28] <micahg> thanks hggdh
[18:28] <hggdh> so, one thing you could do is check on the upstream site (for PA), and see if this bug is already reported
[18:29] <hggdh> welcome, micahg
[18:29] <yvan300> hggdh, so basically i type in the search 'dynamic range compression...........'?
[18:29] <hggdh> yvan300, also, I think you are, right now, mixing two different concepts
[18:30] <yvan300> hggdh, :O, what did i do wrong?
[18:31] <hggdh> yvan300, you did nothing wrong
[18:31] <hggdh> but you are mixing *triaging* with *solving*
[18:31] <yvan300> hggdh, dude yet i have no idea how to solve one bug :'(
[18:32] <micahg> ah, the classic trap :)
[18:32] <hggdh> for you to solve a problem, you first have to know (1) *what* is really the problem; (2) is this specific issue here a problem? ...
[18:32] <yvan300> hggdh, so solving is pretty hard for a noob then?
[18:33] <hggdh> no, it is not, once you know what is the problem, you know where the problem is, you have all necessary data to isolate it, and you have the expertise to do so
[18:33] <hggdh> just a few bits
[18:34] <micahg> but the key is that it's not the job of bugsquad to solve problems but rather get them into the hands of the proper people that can solve
[18:34] <hggdh> but -- and much more important -- this channel deals mostly with the  parts that figure out if there is a problem, and where the problem is
[18:35] <yvan300> hggdh, ok, well then show me how to triage a typical bug then
[18:35] <hggdh> OK. Let's keep with bug 414489
[18:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414489 in pulseaudio "Feature request: dynamic range compression" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414489
[18:35] <yvan300> yup
[18:36] <hggdh> The title already suggests this is not something in PA ("feature request...")
[18:36] <yvan300> hggdh, what is pa?
[18:36] <hggdh> PA == PulseAudio
[18:36] <yvan300> hggdh, oh, continue then
[18:36] <hggdh> we tend to abbreviate, sometimes heavily. Please correct me when needed
[18:37] <yvan300> ok
[18:37] <BUGabundo> hggdh: :)
[18:37] <BUGabundo> wfm, afk, brb,bbl,lp,u1,etc
[18:37] <hggdh> so
[18:37] <yvan300> ..................
[18:38] <hggdh> we then open it, and see a short comment, pointing to a blog
[18:39] <yvan300> hggdh, where are you seeing that?
[18:39] <yvan300> never mind :P
[18:39] <yvan300> lol
[18:39] <hggdh> now, both you and me are in the same boat, sort of: I have no idea of what is "dynamic range compression"
[18:39] <hggdh> but we can read...
[18:40]  * hggdh goes into an intermezzo
[18:40] <yvan300> lol
[18:40] <yvan300> i think it's a sound equalizer
[18:40] <hggdh> yvan300, one of the most difficult parts in triaging is *figuring* out where, if anywhere, is the problem
[18:41] <yvan300> so that some stuff is not too loud etc
[18:41] <hggdh> you cannot resolve a bug if you do not know what the bug is
[18:41] <yvan300> hggdh, this looks like a feature request to me
[18:41] <hggdh> THANK YOU
[18:41] <yvan300> hggdh, have i solved it?
[18:41] <hggdh> this is the point: first, you must read the report; then, you must be critical of it
[18:42] <yvan300> triaged
[18:42] <BUGabundo> yvan300: advice: never assume you know what it is, if you don't have something to backup that up
[18:42] <hggdh> it does _sound_ like it
[18:42] <hggdh> but
[18:42] <BUGabundo> devs can do strange things (specially with names)
[18:42] <yvan300> BUGabundo, what are you talking about, lol?
[18:42] <micahg> also, blog post implies feature might exist upstream or at least a request
[18:42] <hggdh> this is the part where, now that we have a bit of an idea of what the request is, we go upstream
[18:43] <yvan300> hggdh, sorry but i have to go right now
[18:43] <hggdh> no prob
[18:43] <yvan300> i will bbl
[18:43] <hggdh> :-)
[18:43] <hggdh> the ardour of the young :-)
[18:44]  * hggdh wonders how someone can *solve* a problem without even knowing *what* is the problem
[18:45] <micahg> hggdh: youth :)
[18:45] <micahg> they think they can...
[18:46] <micahg> hggdh: this is LP related, but can you check out bug 414401
[18:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414401 in malone "Add a comment and subscribe button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414401
[18:46] <micahg> I'm having a discussion in the LP channel about it
[18:51] <hggdh> micahg, checking
[18:54] <BUGabundo> micahg: "youth" ? LOLOL
[18:54] <BUGabundo> how young are you little friend?
[18:55] <micahg> older than you :)
[18:55] <micahg> not by mich
[18:55] <micahg> *much
[18:58] <BUGabundo> ok
[18:58] <BUGabundo> seems everyone knows everything about me
[18:58] <BUGabundo> maybe I shouldn't be so Public :)
[18:58] <micahg> you've mentioned your age before
[18:59] <BUGabundo> several times , I bet
[18:59] <micahg> grepory: you mentioned you're still clueless?
[18:59] <micahg> something we can help with?
[19:23] <hggdh> micahg, what is the problem with a comment automagically subscribing the commenter?
[19:24] <micahg> the problem is for people that have filters set up for lots of mail
[19:24] <micahg> it changes the header for people subscribed to bugmail
[19:26] <hggdh> hum. I never noticed it (but then, I only get bug email cuz I am subscribed to them, either directly or via the package
[19:32]  * BUGabundo raizs eye brow
[19:33] <BUGabundo> micahg: you filter per header where it stats subscribers?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> or per reference to bug/package/team, like I do ?
[19:36] <micahg> well, reason why you are subscribed changes if you subscribe manually
[19:36] <BUGabundo> does it?
[20:37] <yvan300> hggdh, you there?
[20:37]  * micahg is here
[20:37] <yvan300> micahg, can we continue where we left off :D
[20:38]  * micahg actually has to leave soon, will you be around in about 2 hours?
[20:38] <yvan300> micahg, ok then
[20:38] <micahg> ok, hggdh might be back before then
[20:39] <BUGabundo> dinner bbl
[20:39]  * micahg is eating a late lunch
[20:44] <yvan300> hellow!
[20:48] <hggdh> yvan300,
[20:48] <hggdh> sorry, was busy
[20:50] <yvan300> hggdh, just now, brb :)
[20:50] <matti> Dear me.
[20:51] <matti> yvan300: I read Hellow_ as Hello.
[20:53] <yvan300> hggdh, ok, ready :P
[20:55] <yvan300> hggdh, yo???
[20:55] <hggdh> yes, I am here
[20:55] <hggdh> patience, yvan300, patience ;-)
[20:56] <hggdh> so where were we?
[20:56] <yvan300>  BUGabundo, what are you talking about, lol?
 also, blog post implies feature might exist upstream or at least a request
 this is the part where, now that we have a bit of an idea of what the request is, we go upstream
 hggdh, sorry but i have to go right now
[20:56] <hggdh> OK
[20:57] <yvan300> hggdh, you wanna try a different bug?
[20:57] <hggdh> your call, yvan300
[20:57] <yvan300> you link an easy one for me please :D
[20:57] <micahg> yvan300: I suggest picking a package that you are familiar with
[20:57] <hggdh> that would help a lot, yvan300. Which packages do you feel comfortable with?
[20:58] <yvan300> hggdh, by packages you mean programs?
[20:58] <hggdh> yvan300, yes, that's a way of looking at it
[20:59] <yvan300> hggdh, well, when i think of it, the package i use the most is my browser, lol
[21:00] <micahg> yvan300: which browser do you use?
[21:00] <yvan300> micahg, chromium, epiphany and firefox
[21:01] <hggdh> yvan300, chromium is not yet supported by us (michag?), so either epiphany or FF
[21:01] <yvan300> hggdh, why is it not supported?
[21:01] <micahg> hggdh: chromium is in the repos
[21:01] <micahg> !info chromium jaunty
[21:01] <ubot4> micahg: chromium (source: chromium): fast paced, arcade-style, scrolling space shooter. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (jaunty), package size 107 kB, installed size 420 kB
[21:01] <hggdh> yvan300, so it is supported
[21:01] <micahg> oops
[21:02] <micahg> wrong package :)
[21:02] <hggdh> hum
[21:02] <hggdh> perhaps not :-D
[21:02] <micahg> hggdh: you're right
[21:02] <yvan300> ok so what to do :P
[21:02] <micahg> epiphany or firefox
[21:03] <hggdh> yvan300, for a programme (or package) to be supported, it must be -- heh -- *packaged* and in one of the supported repositories
[21:03] <yvan300> oh
[21:04] <hggdh> so, if Google's chromium us not in there, then we -- meaning Ubuntu support -- do not deal with it.
[21:04] <hggdh> you can still get help on #ubuntu, or answers.launchpad.net, though
[21:04] <yvan300> hggdh, oh kk, so now i'm looking for a new epiphany bug
[21:05] <yvan300> hggdh, how to go about triaging this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epiphany-browser/+bug/413814
[21:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 413814 in epiphany-browser "firefox,epiphany,and opera that i have close or crash if u will . when i watch a movie online and close the page it goes down .think it was my comp. because how old drivers are for my board and no 3d excelleration" [Undecided,New]
[21:06] <yvan300> so how should you handle this?
[21:06] <micahg> ok, first, let's teach you about the browsers
[21:06] <micahg> firefox runs on the gecko engine
[21:06] <yvan300> ok
[21:06] <micahg> epiphany has gecko and webkit versions
[21:06] <micahg> opera is webkit
[21:06] <hggdh> yvan300, on browsers, micahg is way better than I am
[21:06] <micahg> except micahg has to leave in a minute :)
[21:07] <micahg> but I'll be back in a couple of hours
[21:07] <yvan300> awww
[21:07] <yvan300> micahg, no prob
[21:07] <yvan300> hggdh, what's your speciality?
[21:07] <micahg> my point is, that if the problem is cross browser platform, the problem most likely isn't in the browser but a shared component
[21:07] <hggdh> generic help, Evolution, coreutils, and general complaining
[21:07] <micahg> i.e. gecko and webkit
[21:07]  * micahg is Mozilla all the way :)
[21:08] <micahg> right now just the various versions of firefox
[21:08] <yvan300> micahg, lol
[21:08] <yvan300> kk
[21:08] <yvan300> hggdh, what's coreutils?
[21:09] <hggdh> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils
[21:10] <yvan300> oh
[21:10] <hggdh> a series of command-line utilities for core usage on *IX systems (like, 'cp', 'rm', etc)
[21:10] <yvan300> oooooooooo
[21:10] <micahg> ok, I have to go, hggdh can take over
[21:10] <yvan300> micahg, bye
[21:13] <petrs> hi there. I have tried installing KK alpha4 and noticed a coupl of few bugs and problems. Can you suggest me how to report them effectively, please? Would it be possible that I'd tell you my story here and you'd tell me what are already known problems so I don't waste everybody's time by reporting them?
[21:14] <yvan300> petrs, are one of them a failing hard disk?
[21:14] <petrs> yvan300, nope, don't scare me :)
[21:14] <yvan300> lol
[21:14] <yvan300> petrs, i am new to bugs as well so i'm no help :D
[21:19] <hggdh> petrs, the easiest way is to check http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu for the bugs
[21:20] <hggdh> we would have to search also ;-)
[21:20] <yvan300> hggdh, can you understand this man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7qHmqQWLyw
[21:20] <petrs> hggdh, I was kinda hoping someone would know the alpha4 known bugs bugs
[21:21] <petrs> ok then, I'll go searching
[21:31] <hggdh> petrs, there are known issues when A4 was released, and there are new bugs brought up by A4
[21:32] <petrs> hggdh, is it possible to say filter the list of bugs to just those reported for A4?
[21:33] <hggdh> petrs, no, there is no standard filter for that. But you can order "newest first". Since A4 was releases, what, 3 days ago, it will be easy
[21:33] <hggdh> yvan300, no, I cannot understand him, but then I am also slightly deaf
[21:34] <yvan300> hggdh, who ever is able to understand him, has special powers :)
[23:00] <jmarsden> petrs: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4#Known%20issues
[23:00] <jmarsden> (Oh, he left already)


[13:09] <jarnos> How do you install ppa-purge from local git repository? It is a bash script, but I want to test bash completion in Trusty.


[06:46] <czajkowski> bkerensa: I don't think so no.
[12:16] <hexafraction> Hi. I'm fairly new to Launchpad, and have a branch imported with Java code, which I have confirmed to compile with GCJ. How do I instruct Launchpad to actually compile it after nesting in other branches, as the run command is not actually allowed on the Launchpad builders?
[12:19] <hexafraction> And for that mtter, how is *any* build indicated in the rcipe? cMake?
[12:47] <brainwash> LP is down
[12:47] <wgrant> Yeah, we've lost a datacentre
[12:48] <brainwash> oh, that's bad :(
[12:55] <skroon_> where can I find all of the files on launchpad for ubuntu 12.04?
[12:55] <skroon_> i'm getting:  linux-server : Depends: linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.61) but <IP_ADDRESS>.63 is to be installed
[12:55] <skroon_> so would like to manually downoad and install it
[12:56] <dobey> hexafraction: you don't specify how to build the thing, in the recipe. you specify how to build it, in the debian/rules file. see other similar packages in ubuntu for examples
[12:56] <hexafraction> Oh, understood now. Thanks.
[12:56] <skroon_> i'm getting:  Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[12:56] <skroon_> is it down perhaps?
[12:56] <dobey> skroon_: launchpad is down right now, but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/ is i think the URL
[12:56] <dobey> yes, read the topic :)
[12:56] <lucas_> I think it's down
[12:56] <wgrant> More specifically, the recipe specifies how to build a source package. The source package's debian/rules specifies how to build a binary package.
[12:56] <skroon_> ahhh ;-)
[12:56] <skroon_> thanks
[12:57] <dobey> wgrant: well, really, the debian/ dir specifies how to build both the source and binary packages. a recipse specifies where to get the data :)
[12:58] <skroon_> dobey: could this also be the reason for my  'apt-get -f install'  not working ?
[12:59] <dobey> skroon_: maybe, but launchpad and the ubuntu archive aren't exactly the same. i don't know if they're in the same DC or not
[12:59] <wgrant> skroon_: apt-get shouldn't be affected. Did you see any download errors?
[12:59] <dobey> skroon_: and in any case, if you're using a mirror or a different archive host, the packages would be pulled from there instead
[13:00] <dobey> right, and apt-get -f install may not necessarily even download anything.
[13:00] <skroon_> ok
[13:02] <Maple__> Is launchpad dow
[13:02] <Maple__> ...oh.
[13:02] <Maple__> :(
[13:02] <AlbertoSN> Launchpad is down now!
[13:02] <skroon_> dobey: well I can't do any 'apt-get install' at the moment, because it has found some packages with unmet dependencies
[13:02] <czajkowski> AlbertoSN: see the topic
[13:02] <AlbertoSN> The toppic isn't working!
[13:02] <Maple__> can't do any apt-get update
[13:02] <Maple__> :'(
[13:03] <dobey> skroon_: did you do apt-get update? (anyway, #ubuntu is the channel to ask for help about ubuntu)
[13:03] <skroon_> dobey: "Depends: linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.61) but <IP_ADDRESS>.63 is to be installed" and "Depends: linux-headers-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.61) but <IP_ADDRESS>.63 is to be installed"
[13:03] <dobey> yes i see that
[13:03] <skroon_> dobey: yeah I did apt-get update, ok i'll ask #ubuntu
[13:03] <skroon_> dobey: however the solution online is they say I need to download a file form launchpad
[13:04] <dobey> i don't know what "solution online" means, but there is plenty of wrong/bad advice on the internet, on many subjects, including how to fix errors on ubuntu
[13:05] <AlbertoSN> Do you know why Launchpad is down now?
[13:05] <czajkowski> AlbertoSN: the topic says LP is down due to datacenre outage, it's been investigated
[13:06] <AlbertoSN> Oh, thanks for the info
[13:07] <czajkowski> AlbertoSN: /topic is your friend for future
[13:07] <czajkowski> AlbertoSN: or following https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus
[13:10] <younas> anyone reckons when will it be up again?
[13:11] <TLE> younas: they are working on it
[13:11] <czajkowski> younas: it's kinda like relase day when it's out it's out, it's also the same for a server, when it's up, you'll know
[13:11] <younas> Thanks TLE. my bad was just reinstalling Ubuntu on my brand new SSD :) so bit impatient :)
[13:11] <TLE> depends on what happens I guess, on the scale from a broken a harddrive to the datacenter being hit by a meteor
[13:12] <wgrant> younas: Why do you need Launchpad for that?
[13:12] <wgrant> We don't currently have an estimate of when things will be back up.
[13:12] <younas> few repositories arent working
[13:13] <wgrant> ppa.launchpad.net is working fine, though you won't be able to use the automated PPA bits of add-apt-repository.
[13:13] <younas> i see.. well thanks guys you're an awesome support
[13:16] <cadu-leite> lauchpad seem to be off !?
[13:16] <TLE> cadu-leite: see topic
[13:16] <czajkowski> need a bot in here to annouce the topic :)
[13:17] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, write one yourself;)
[13:18] <BluesKaj_> I suppose it's not news that Launchpad site is down :(
[13:18] <czajkowski> smartboyhw: sarcasim!
[13:19] <TLE> czajkowski: since it will usually be shown when you join and everyone so far that had to be reminded of it had just joined, then well, what are the odds they will notice a bot then
[13:19] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, nice sarcasm by spelling sarcasm wrongly;)
[13:19] <czajkowski> TLE: first thing I do is check there
[13:20] <cadu-leite> sorry. and thanks
[13:20] <TLE> cadu-leite: no problem
[13:21] <robbyt> a status blog would be nice :)
[13:21] <wgrant> robbyt: https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus
[13:21] <robbyt> oh!
[13:21] <TLE> *G*
[13:21] <type> which datacentre is it? are other (non ubuntu/canonical) sites affected, too?
[13:21] <robbyt> a link to the status feed from the error page would be nice :)
[13:21] <wgrant> robbyt: The normal error page for this situation has a link
[13:21] <wgrant> This is the super-error-omg-everything-is-broken page.
[13:21] <wgrant> Which doesn't...
[13:21] <robbyt> oh! sorry guys
[13:21] <robbyt> good luck
[13:22] <robbyt> sending you my positive vibes
[13:22] <excalibr> After you push a deb package source, how long do you usually have to wait for the ppa builder to finish building your package?
[13:22] <smartboyhw> excalibr, depends on the queue
[13:22] <smartboyhw> If it's long enough, you need to wait for 1-2 days
[13:22] <wgrant> Queues that long are rare nowadays, fortunately :)
[13:22] <wgrant> The queue's rarely over an hour, and usually much less.
[13:23] <smartboyhw> But if the queue is empty, probably just how long it takes to build the package in your computer (+ a possible 0.5 hours)
[13:23] <excalibr> I see..
[13:28] <daker> hi
[13:28] <daker> something is wrong with LP.net ?
[13:28] <TLE> daker: yes, see topic
[13:28] <captainvmos> no, it's just you
[13:28] <captainvmos> hush, we might still be able to fool him
[13:29] <daker> TLE: ok thanks!
[13:30] <deha> any rough estimates? which phase of fixing? search for problem, already fixing known problem, waiting for a tool to finishing?
[13:31] <captainvmos> if it's a proper DC outage, there's probably not a lot can be done ecxept wait for the folks at the DC to get their stuff together
[13:31] <captainvmos> and maybe browse the prices for alternate hosting
[13:32] <smartboyhw> I thought Canonical host themselves.
[13:32] <captainvmos> the thing you have to remember is that quite often I don't know what I'm talking about
[13:32] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:33] <daker> oh even http://www.ubuntu.com/ is down
[13:36] <czajkowski> yes it's not just LP, although here is where people come to ask. Maybe poke someone who has the @ubuntu account handle
[13:36] <czajkowski> it's up on Launchpadstatus
[13:36] <EagleScreen> hi
[13:36] <wgrant> EagleScreen: /topic
[13:36] <EagleScreen> some Launchad server is down
[13:36] <deha> ok, so it looks more like hours than like minutes to come back. thanks for the info.
[13:37] <EagleScreen> oh sorry, ok
[13:38] <ARW0> launchpad is down ?
[13:38] <Anon13145> You are probably already aware of it, but Launchpad is down.
[13:38] <captainvmos> no, it's just you
[13:38] <smartboyhw> ARW0, see topic
[13:38] <StealthyLoner> :<
[13:38] <ARW0>  roger that
[13:39] <Anon13145> Is launchpad down or is it just my end?
[13:39] <StealthyLoner> any estimate on how long?
[13:39] <captainvmos> just you
[13:39] <blast007> Anon13145: read the topic :)
[13:39] <JackYu> here too.
[13:39] <palasso> Hi, is launchpad down?
[13:39] <czajkowski> does anyone read the topic any more ?
[13:39] <blast007> czajkowski: nope...
[13:39] <wgrant> Apparently not!
[13:39] <EagleScreen> This is the end of the World
[13:39] <tsimpson> any more? did they ever!?
[13:39] <captainvmos> make it ALL CAPS!
[13:40] <czajkowski> I've just posted to the lococontacts list
[13:40] <palasso> czajkowski: thnx and sorry for asking
[13:40] <czajkowski> maybe someone could post to a few other areas
[13:40] <Anon13145> It's down due to a datacentre outage and their investigating
[13:40] <smartboyhw> Keep Calm and wait for IS to restore please
[13:40] <StealthyLoner> datacenter outrage
[13:40] <Anon13145> Ubuntu Forums seems down too
[13:40] <czajkowski> Anon13145: yes a number of areas would be
[13:41] <SirVerII> which data centre is this? is canonical running their own?
[13:41] <StealthyLoner> is there any estimate on anything? :<
[13:42] <tsimpson> it'll be fixed as soon as possible
[13:42] <smartboyhw> https://plus.google.com/113294244748214217005/posts/2fUGXAGeL2i
[13:42] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:44] <sj0rs> I can't access https://launchpad.net/phpmyadmin
[13:44] <savvas> ETA on the fix? :)
[13:44] <smartboyhw> sj0rs, see topic
[13:48] <flabber> het, launchpad down?
[13:48] <flabber> *hey
[13:48] <smartboyhw> flabber, yes, see topic
[13:48] <thebrush_mobile> it seems flabber
[13:49] <kshitij8_> is code.launchpad.net down?
[13:49] <czajkowski> lol
[13:49]  * czajkowski hugs wgrant
[13:49] <kshitij8_> nevermind.read the message..
[13:50] <yousdo> hello https://launchpad.net/~gqrx/+archive/releases does not work :(
[13:50] <sj0rs> Lol
[13:50]  * wgrant gives up!
[13:50] <smartboyhw> PLEASE READ THE TOPIC
[13:50]  * smartboyhw gives up
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Oy!?
[13:50]  * smartboyhw hates a non +t topic here
[13:50] <yousdo> ops
[13:50] <sj0rs> Datacenter not centre
[13:50] <yousdo> sorry
[13:50] <wgrant> sj0rs: We're not Amercian :)
[13:51] <sj0rs> I hate centre, I have center domains
[13:51] <sj0rs> Lol
[13:51] <wgrant> Nor American, for that matter.
[13:51] <smartboyhw> wgrant, I think of something that might help
[13:51] <sj0rs> UK, Aus?
[13:51] <kshitij8_> btw has been down for a while now?
[13:51] <wgrant> I'm Australian, the people fixing it are UK :)
[13:51] <wgrant> So, both!
[13:51] <wgrant> kshitij8_: Just over an hour now.
[13:52] <kshitij8_> ohh..hope it gets back up soon. :)
[13:52] <smartboyhw> wgrant, "/msg ChanServ SET #launchpad ENTRYMSG LAUNCHPAD IS DOWN DUE TO DATACENTRE OUTAGE" helps a bit I think
[13:52] <smartboyhw> It sets entry messages for users coming in
[13:52] <awi> hi all
[13:53] <awi> is launchpad server down?
[13:53] <wgrant> smartboyhw: I'm going to test if people can read allcaps topics first...
[13:53] <WebbyIT> awi, yes, also ubuntu.com and ubuntuforums
[13:54] <nsrosenqvist> When can we expect Launchpad to be up again?
[13:54] <kshitij8_> do ubuntu.com and ubuntuforums and lp share the same datacentre?
[13:55] <sj0rs> Rofl ubuntu.com offline
[13:55] <WebbyIT> kshitij8_, I suppose yes. Also italian LocoTeam websites are offline
[13:55] <awi> tnx, will wait
[13:55] <daker> kshitij8_: what do you expect ?
[13:55] <JackYu> kshitij8_, seems yes.
[13:55] <sj0rs> Thought they were the absolute masters of hosting
[13:56] <spandel> launchpad down?
[13:56] <kshitij8_> i hope its not a Denial of Service attack.
[13:56] <TLE> spandel: see topic
[13:56] <spandel> ah..
[13:56] <sj0rs> Datacenter outage because of DDOS?
[13:56] <cassa> Hi
[13:57] <czajkowski> sj0rs: its just out lets not jump to conclusions
[13:57] <spandel> any news about when it will be back up?
[13:57] <cassa> Launchpad offline :C
[13:57] <yousdo> well.. now i must compile uff
[13:57] <czajkowski> cassa: see topiuc
[13:57]  * kshitij8_ is just guessing :P
[13:57] <cassa> I know
[13:57] <sj0rs> DDOS!!
[13:57] <sj0rs> Just kidding
[14:00] <smartboyhw> wgrant, heh heh
[14:01] <sj0rs> How much money is lost in this outage so far?
[14:07] <yousdo> this is an injustice
[14:07] <yousdo> i need gqrx
[14:08] <yousdo> now how i will do
[14:08] <yousdo> i cry
[14:11] <root_> exit
[14:14] <MrSamuel> is there something wrong with launchpad
[14:15] <MrSamuel> I keep on getting "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server."
[14:15] <smartboyhw> MrSamuel, see topic please
[14:15] <MrSamuel> "Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode."
[14:15] <MrSamuel> oh okay
[14:15] <MrSamuel> nice :/
[14:15] <smartboyhw> (I think we need to try full caps)
[14:16] <wgrant> Indeed.
[14:16] <groszek> haha. came here to check if anyone else has the problem
[14:17] <groszek> or add colors to topic
[14:17] <WebbyIT> Or mute the chan :P
[14:17] <smartboyhw> WebbyIT, good idea
[14:22] <groszek> there isn't any ppa mirror I suppose?
[14:22] <wgrant> groszek: ppa.launchpad.net is not affected by the outage.
[14:22] <hydruid> launchpad down?
[14:22] <hydruid> looks like so :P
[14:22] <ukbeast> oh. I wanted midori ppa lol
[14:22] <felixonmars> and i want to add a ppa to my server....
[14:23] <groszek> no? I can't get it to work
[14:23]  * felixonmars gonna do it manually :P
[14:23] <ukbeast> how long has it been down?
[14:23] <felixonmars> an hour or so?
[14:23] <wgrant> You can't currently use add-apt-repository to automatically add a new PPA to your system, but you can do it manually.
[14:23] <groszek> ahhh right, thanks
[14:23] <ukbeast> anything to with ubuntu has been down. (ubuntu forums, ubuntu.com)
[14:24] <czajkowski> yes
[14:24] <WebbyIT> askubuntu and ubuntu-discourse are up and running
[14:24] <felixonmars> so im doing: echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chris-lea/node.js/ubuntu raring main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/chris-lea-node_js-raring.list
[14:24] <felixonmars> hope this helps someone
[14:24] <smartboyhw> WebbyIT, nice new
[14:24] <smartboyhw> *news
[14:24] <hydruid> wow I can't believe Ubuntu.com is down.....whats up?
[14:24] <sj0rs> DDOS
[14:24] <hydruid> :P
[14:24] <smartboyhw> hydruid, datacenter in London DDOS
[14:25] <sj0rs> Really DDOS?
[14:25] <ukbeast> windows again with DDos. lol
[14:25] <wgrant> It's not a DDoS.
[14:25] <sj0rs> Lol
[14:25] <ukbeast> jk
[14:25] <Waster> launchpad is down too?
[14:25] <smartboyhw> jk
[14:25] <smartboyhw> wallyworld, yes
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Oops, Waster :P
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Tab fault
[14:26] <ukbeast> Yep. just have to wait like a goodboy for midori's ppa
[14:26] <Waster> it's a pity
[14:26] <wgrant> ukbeast: Which PPA?
[14:26] <ukbeast> personal package erm something
[14:26] <`z> archive
[14:26] <`z> personal package archive
[14:27] <ukbeast> thanks z
[14:27] <smartboyhw> It's WHICH ppa
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Not asking about what PPA means-.-
[14:27] <ukbeast>  ppa:midori/ppa
[14:28] <ukbeast> -.-
[14:28] <ukbeast> Keeping this window open as I watch familiar of Zero I guess
[14:29] <b-eltzner> thanks for the informative topic!
[14:30] <WebbyIT> smartboyhw, seems that someone reads the topic ;)
[14:30] <smartboyhw> WebbyIT, \o/
[14:32] <`z> always those annoying people who come in and don't read the topic
[14:32] <`z> flood them with fifty lines of the topic!
[14:33] <smartboyhw> `z, ..
[14:33] <sj0rs> 'Z then the IRC will also get DDOS'ed
[14:33] <smartboyhw> It won't
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Since we do have topic limitations;)
[14:35] <sudodus> I cannot connect to https://launchpad.net/
[14:36] <sudodus> what is the problem?
[14:36] <wgrant> See /topic
[14:36] <wgrant>
[14:36] <smartboyhw> wgrant, what's that last message?
[14:36] <smartboyhw> Looks like strange characters-.-
[14:36] <`z> "SHIFT OUT"
[14:37] <`z> U+000E
[14:37] <OkoWsc> any idea if canonicals having issues,ubuntu.com canonical.com launchpad.net all down
[14:37] <sudodus> OK, thanks, I had to lift my eyes a little. I see now :-)
[14:37] <wgrant> That was me pushing Ctrl+N twice to switch to another channel, but apparently irssi decided otherwise.
[14:37] <`z> OkoWsc, looks like it
[14:38] <OkoWsc> ah just looked at status "[LAUNCHPAD IS DOWN DUE TO A DATACENTRE OUTAGE; WE'RE WORKING ON IT.| Follow Launchpadstatus for future updates. https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus]"
[14:39] <padcom> Hi there! Do we have any ETA on the DC issue?
[14:39] <smartboyhw> No.
[14:42] <sj0rs> This is an absolute outrage!
[14:43] <smartboyhw> sj0rs, keep calm
[14:43] <OkoWsc> not the worst,i found out as i was trying to add an ppa
[14:46] <sj0rs> I meant absolute outage
[14:46] <salane> LMAO
[14:46] <sj0rs> Loool
[14:47] <WebbyIT> :D
[14:47] <DangerDevil> the internet is down ;-)
[14:48] <StealthyLoner> The World is broken
[14:48] <salane> OK we are now being entertained, " carnage and rioting can start now"
[14:48] <warren-hill> Obviously the internet isn't down as were here
[14:48] <sj0rs> Ubuntu equals the internet ;)
[14:48] <salane> :0
[14:49] <warren-hill> I used to exist outside Ubuntu, maybe I can again
[14:49] <salane> Move over to the dark side xbuntu
[14:49] <sj0rs> Learn to automate your servers with ansible in the meantime, it's awesome
[14:52] <WebbyIT> Keep calm and take a towel ;)
[14:52] <Maple__> still down?
[14:52] <Maple__> dammit
[14:52] <Maple__> :(
[14:53] <Maple__> On another topic, @launchpadstatus gained, er, 13 new followers in 2 hours.
[14:53] <salane> lol
[14:53] <WebbyIT> And if is a plane to have more follower? O.o
[14:54] <WebbyIT> *plan
[14:54] <salane> Its a bait and switch just to get new IRC followers
[14:54] <StealthyLoner> :D
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Launchpad successfully gained publicity! LOL
[14:57] <salane> If i hurry maybe i cant get a slashdot post on this.
[14:58] <WebbyIT> In Italy there is a saying that is about "Good or bad, important thing is speaking about it"
[14:59] <yousdo> ciao a tutti io vado ;)
[15:00] <Naughx> Hi!
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Naughx, if you want to ask about why LP is down, see topic:P If otherwise, welcome:)
[15:01] <Naughx> Just came to say hi :D
[15:01] <WebbyIT> so, hi to you too :D
[15:02] <ygt> hello everyone ^^
[15:02] <ygt> LAUNCHPAD IS DOWN.. i guess that answer my question :D
[15:02] <Maple__> There's also 36 more people in here compared to two hours ago
[15:02] <Maple__> ...make that 38.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> ygt, at least you read the topic, that's great:D
[15:03] <Maple__> And @launchpadstatus gained another follower in 10 mins.
[15:03] <WebbyIT> Also @ubuntu mail aliases are offline, right?
[15:04] <dev-seven> ubuntuforums.org seems to be down aswell
[15:04]  * smartboyhw never uses these aliases even he has three @ubuntu + flavours aliases, so he doesn't know.
[15:04] <smartboyhw> dev-seven, true
[15:04] <WebbyIT> dev-seven, if you need support use askubuntu.com or ubuntu-discourse.org
[15:05] <ygt> out of curiosity is gnome.org down too? i cant reach it
[15:05] <dev-seven> can't reach gnome.org either
[15:05] <Naughx> gnome.org is down too :o
[15:05] <ygt> Y2K bug on linux 13 years late? :O
[15:05] <WebbyIT> I think is not related O.o
[15:06] <dev-seven> webby, thx, but I'll wait for launchpad to be online again
[15:06] <Dryvnt> I understand shit happens, and I understand that the right people are working on it, but damnit this is not a good time D:
[15:06] <dev-seven> hehe, soon there will be conspiracy theories floating^^
[15:06] <Naughx> archive.ubuntu.com works at least :P
[15:06] <sj0rs> Is launchpad down?
[15:06] <dev-seven> yea
[15:06] <WebbyIT> sj0rs, no, is onlu a dream :P
[15:07] <WebbyIT> *only
[15:07] <sj0rs> lol
[15:07] <ygt> wait... today is the 21? two 1 = 11... 11-2 = 9! is it a new 911? alien are asking for help on the internet??
[15:07] <dev-seven> lol
[15:07] <dev-seven> does anyone have any idea when we can expect launchpad to be up again?
[15:08] <Naughx> I would like to meet a friendly alien :P
[15:08] <beuno> no news yet
[15:08] <beuno> so we don't know
[15:08] <Naughx> https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus
[15:08] <WebbyIT> 09/2013, 9+20+13=42, that is answer to everything ;)
[15:08] <Dryvnt> A bit of an out-of-there question, but does anyone have any idea of how I can get boot-repair through another source than launchpad? <.<
[15:09] <Dryvnt> Kiinda need to fix my laptop
[15:09] <barry_> does launchpad being down have anything to do with ddebs.ubuntu.com also being unreachable?
[15:09] <beuno> Dryvnt, if there's a package in ubuntu, maybe by apt-getting the source?
[15:09] <ygt> La vita, l'universo e tutto quanto
[15:09] <wgrant> barry_: Yes, one of the London DCs is mostly dead.
[15:09] <beuno> barry_, most of the DC seems down
[15:09] <Naughx> @Dryvnt, from sources: http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair/
[15:10] <WebbyIT> ygt, credo dovresti parlare in inglese su un canale inglese :P
[15:10] <barry_> wgrant, beuno bummer!  thanks for the info (also explains why the us mirrors are happy)
[15:10] <ygt> WebbyIT, yup (da che pulpito :P )
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Looks like some KDE servers are down too -.-
[15:11] <nerdux> hi... that was just what I was coming to ask you guys, any news on the subject? like when is it going to be up again?
[15:11] <beuno> no news
[15:11] <Naughx> @Dryvnt... forget it...
[15:11] <nerdux> thanks
[15:11] <ygt> but we came out with some good conspiracy theory about that!
[15:12] <nerdux> lol which is it?
[15:12] <ygt> alien asking for help and the answer to every questions 42
[15:13] <nerdux> g'damned aliens
[15:13] <nerdux> they must have made an alliance with the evil forces... i mean bill gates, not darth vader
[15:13] <Dryvnt> What, Naughx?
[15:13] <dev-seven> the NSA must be involved somehow aswell
[15:13] <Naughx> @ygt, no they wants to mix their genetical materials with yours.
[15:14] <Dryvnt> I had to go do some things. I'll into the sources. Thanks
[15:15] <Naughx> @Dryvnt, I though they were hosted on sourceforge... They're only hosted on launchpad... My mistake.
[15:15] <Dryvnt> Oooh. Yeah I couldn't find them after looking a bit. Oh well
[15:15] <ScottK> smartboyhw: Canonical hosts some of the KDE servers.
[15:15] <Dryvnt> Guess I'll just wait
[15:15] <smartboyhw> ScottK, really? Oh no....
[15:16] <dev-seven> I think sometimes you can also use grub & an ubuntu live usb
[15:16] <ScottK> Yes.  It's quite nice of them to do so.
[15:16] <smartboyhw> ScottK, not when it's down. Anyhow
[15:16] <ScottK> Sure.
[15:18] <Naughx> @Dryvnt... I've found something: http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/?source=navbar I think it's a livecd with boot-repair. (If you want to download ~500mbish)
[15:18] <wgrant> LP is sorta back now. Things will be a bit shaky for a while.
[15:18] <Dryvnt> @Naughx Ah, fantastic. I'll get that on an USB ASAP. Thanks!
[15:19] <smartboyhw> wgrant, \o/
[15:19] <Dryvnt> I won't, lol!
[15:20] <WebbyIT> \o/ thanks for the funny guys :P
[15:22] <`z> shaky it is, 503s and stuff occasionally
[15:22] <dev-seven> well, I haven't had any success so far :S
[15:22] <arowla_> are there any mirrors we can connect to during the outage?
[15:22] <sj0rs> Thank god the apt-get servers are not affected
[15:23] <smartboyhw> No success
[15:23] <sj0rs> Lol mirrors
[15:23] <`z> mine works for the most part
[15:23] <wgrant> Which pages aren't working?
[15:23] <`z> only sometimes i hit the down errors
[15:23] <Maple__> 6 more followers. -.-
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Hmm, first success
[15:23] <Maple__> 503 now.
[15:23] <dev-seven> ahh, the ppa works now, but the webpage gives 'Please try again'
[15:24] <sj0rs> There is light at the end of the tunnel
[15:24] <Naughx> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ and if you're on mint packages.linuxmint.com
[15:24] <sj0rs> New 503 error, yes! Progress!!
[15:24] <nerdux> it's working... or so it seems
[15:25] <nerdux> just added a new ppa here
[15:25] <dev-seven> yea, same and sucessfully downloaded wine1.6 :D
[15:25] <nerdux> +1
[15:26] <fensilent> works :D
[15:26] <ygt> PPA added
[15:26] <ygt> :)
[15:26] <nerdux> just upgraded ninja-ide... success!
[15:26] <kshitij8_> ssh failed during bzr push. :(
[15:27] <WebbyIT> kshitij8_, I just make a push and it works :)
[15:27] <Maple__> ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded
[15:27] <Maple__> fush dosh rash
[15:28] <kshitij8_> I'm still getting a timeout during push.
[15:28] <Maple__> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net precise Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 65A5BA84FD316B5D
[15:28] <Maple__> FUSSH DOOSH RAAASH
[15:29] <smartboyhw> That's a fail
[15:29] <dev-seven> well, I got my ppa package, I hope you guys will get your services up again soon too. @launchpadteam: great work, keep it up :D
[15:32] <Knuckle> anything going on with launchpad.net?
[15:33] <Knuckle> ive been unable to reach it about 75% of the times I tried in the past half hour or so
[15:33] <blast007> Knuckle: topic...
[15:33] <Knuckle> ah, silly me
[15:35] <Maple__> 和密码itlookslikelaunchpadisback 法人哦买他和偶他个不同哦你留言ian特人米纳绿色阿霉素听哦不饿阿蔡听阿必填宋体让莪餐厅阿蔡厕所所他和万恶贝斯特itselfstillgivinga503error
[15:35] <Maple__> fu language support
[15:35] <Maple__> ...evil toilets?
[15:37] <winb> When I click Download Now on http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ im directed to this irc-channel.
[15:37] <winb> Oh wait. Now it works
[15:40] <winb> I should have read the topic
[15:42] <JackYu> sometimes work, sometimes not:(
[15:47] <ajay> Hi, since LP is down, does that mean I cannot add new repositories? (just checking if this is the reason I have errors )
[15:47] <smartboyhw> ajay, it's back BTW
[15:47] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:47] <smartboyhw> So, you can use it
[15:47] <kshitij8_> push finally worked :)
[15:47] <ajay> thanks smartboyhw! let me try one more time
[15:48] <ygt> TYALL for the fun and the help! great job LP ty! have fun everyone
[15:49] <ajay> it works! thanks a lot! :-)
[15:55] <Maple__> "13.5 kB/s 2h 14min 22s"
[15:55] <Maple__> slow... ?
[15:58] <slowjoe> might be worth sending out a tweet update.  Well done on getting it back up
[16:00] <wgrant> I will once we've confirmed that everything's stable again.
[16:00] <wgrant> Still resolving a few issues.
[17:02] <ScottK> wgrant: You could tweet "LP: Mostly not dead"
[17:02] <czajkowski> ScottK: https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus/status/381454285013139456
[17:17] <Maple__> Overall, the @launchpadstatus twitter account gained 26 followers ;)


[02:50] <OptimizedCoder> All of a sudden, my ethernet wired connection interface doesn't show up at all
[02:50] <OptimizedCoder> Whhhy'd this happen?
[02:53] <OptimizedCoder> how the hell is this possible
[02:53] <OptimizedCoder> my /etc/network/interfaces fiel has been overwritten!
[02:53] <OptimizedCoder> to have only these
[02:53] <OptimizedCoder> # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8) auto lo iface lo inet loopback
[06:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:00] <ArunC> Hi, will plasma 5 be the default desktop on Kubuntu Utopic?
[07:01] <lordievader> ArunC: No, 15.x might be the first to be considered.
[07:16] <rahmad> test
[07:17] <rahmad> ping
[07:17] <rahmad> exit
[07:51] <tekkbuzz> hey guys, I just got a major problem. I tried to run a game and it come up the same on both my displays. Then when I got out of it now I have only the same display on both my screens, I rebooted and got the same thing. I went to System Settings > Display Config. and now it only show one monitor, Any suggestions.
[07:52] <hateball> tekkbuzz: I see you're crossposting both here and #ubuntu, so which DE are you actually using?
[07:52] <tekkbuzz> kde
[07:53] <tekkbuzz> hateball: u got any suggestions?
[07:55] <hateball> tekkbuzz: Details such as GPU chipset and what driver you're using will help
[07:56] <tekkbuzz> default driver, nothing proprietary. AMD HD 7770 card using Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[07:57] <hateball> Then I will sit this one out, I know nothing about AMD gpus I am afraid
[07:57] <valorie> !amd
[07:57] <valorie> ubottu doesn't either....
[07:57] <hateball> !ati | I guess
[07:58] <hateball> that should probably be aliased
[07:58] <tekkbuzz> thanks I'll read that, something got changed cause it work with the default installation.
[07:59] <tekkbuzz> ^worked
[07:59]  * valorie just asked about aliasing that....
[07:59] <TheFakeazneD525> !alias
[08:11] <tekkbuzz> If I click on the Identify Outputs in Display Configuration, I can see DVI-1 but faintly blinks the other HDMI-0 for a micro second.
[08:11] <tekkbuzz> that's the display i need to get back.
[08:13] <tekkbuzz> I don't have any xorg.conf file.
[08:13] <valorie> you may have to create one
[08:14] <valorie> xorg.conf is no longer created by default
[08:14] <tekkbuzz> I never had one and it worked fine till about an hour ago.
[08:15] <tekkbuzz> stupid game I started, (which I don't really play games) mucked it all up.
[08:20] <tekkbuzz> Does anyone know if the xorg.conf file take priority over the kde settings?
[08:20] <valorie> I believe it does if it exists
[08:20] <valorie> however, the help page should be correct, whatever it says
[08:22] <tekkbuzz> I'm reading that now, I'm probably going to have to write a xorg.conf, I have a little experience doing that I had to do it for my RedHat system couple of years ago.
[08:23] <valorie> I've never had to do it
[08:23] <valorie> years ago I had to edit it, but now it all Just Works
[08:23]  * valorie knocks on wood
[08:23] <tekkbuzz> It's still a bummer though, cause everything "was" working fine.
[08:26] <tekkbuzz> I wonder if I upgrade to the proprietary driver, if the 2nd display would come back, I may give that a try.
[08:30] <tekkbuzz> wow, I think I found it, both displays were stacked perfectly on top of each other in the Display Configuation, I got 2 displays, now I have to reboot.
[08:35] <tekkbuzz> Anyone know how to "Not" save kde settings when rebooting ie: normally it saves your open apps and screen position and stuff? If I do, it will stay mucked up, and I'll have to reset up my widgets and crap.
[08:37] <hateball> tekkbuzz: alt+f2 -> "session"
[08:37] <tekkbuzz> hateball: thanks
[08:37] <hateball> tekkbuzz: set it to blank session or whatever you prefer
[08:38] <tekkbuzz> hateball: Perrrfect, thanks
[09:21] <mova> hello
[09:21] <mova> I have installed kubuntu testing, is it possible to go back to stable by just updating the sources list file?
[10:54] <BluesKaj> HIya folks
[11:22] <stack___> hi, I am getting 404 error not found on sudo apt-get update and also with dist-upgrade, suggestions?
[11:24] <lordievader> stack___: What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[11:25] <Fritigern> stack___: Open Konsole and run sudo software-properties-kde, then on the first tab, under "Download from" choose "other" and click "select best server"
[11:26] <Fritigern> What will happen is that software-properties-kde  will start looking for the server with the fastest connection and download speeds, and offers you toset it as the default server for your updates.
[11:40] <stack___> any other alternatives? it is not helping out .. :-|
[11:42] <hateball> stack___: you never answered what version you're running
[11:42] <hateball> !eol
[15:26] <Josh_> hi just installed kubuntu 14.04, And every time I try assign a Static IP (Using eth0) it kills my internet connection, any ideas?
[15:28] <lordievader> Josh_: How did you assign it?
[15:28] <Josh_> By editing /etc/network/interfaces as followed from a guide
[15:29] <lordievader> Josh_: Could you pastebin that file?
[15:29] <lordievader> !paste | Josh_
[15:29] <Josh_> Will do that now, Thanks
[15:31] <Josh_> here you go lordievader http://paste.ubuntu.com/8459390/
[15:31] <lordievader> "ifae eth0 inet static" <-- there is your error
[15:33] <Josh_> still kills internet when fixed ifae to iface
[15:33] <Josh_> I was thinking it had something to do with it being a netbook (no ethernet port)
[15:34] <lordievader> Josh_: You might want to add a 'broadcast' and 'network' line. Also can you ping your gateway?
[15:35] <Josh_> what would broadcast and network be set as? And Yes I can ping my gateway (I even have internet) Just wanting to set a static ip from command line
[15:36] <lordievader> Josh_: Then likely is your dns broken.
[15:37] <Josh_> is there a program I can install? something that will let me run apache with multiple ips? (as well as a static one)
[15:37] <lordievader> The network specifies the network, for you that would be '<IP_ADDRESS>' and the broadcast specifies the broadcast address '<IP_ADDRESS>'.
[15:38] <lordievader> Josh_: To fix your dns edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[15:40] <Josh_> added network and broadcast, and got /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head file ready
[15:40] <lordievader> Then your static ip should work.
[15:41] <lordievader> Given the settings are correct ;)
[15:41] <Josh_> even if I don't have an ethernet (eth0) it will still work?
[15:41] <lordievader> What do you mean?
[15:42] <Josh_> it's a dell inspiron duo flip, It's not got an ethernet port for it (so eth0 does not show up)
[15:42] <lordievader> Why are you then specifying eth0?
[15:45] <Josh_> because that's all the guides online show me how to get a static IP, By using eth0, Haven't found any other way (only interfaces I have are lo and wlan0)
[15:46] <lordievader> Josh_: The settings reflect whatever interface is specified.
[15:47] <lordievader> eth0 is used in guides since that is the interface where people mostly want to use static ip's.
[15:49] <Josh_> how would I assign a static wlan0 address from /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:49] <lordievader> Sameway but replace eth0 with wlan0. However in most cases you want to use dhcp for wlan.
[15:50] <Josh_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8459517/ like so?
[15:51] <lordievader> Josh_: Yes that will make it a dhcp interface. However wifi is a bit tricky with that, for wifi I recommend using the network manager.
[15:51] <rberg> once you add wpa and AP info its probably easier to configure static wlan with network manager
[15:52] <lordievader> ^ setting static ethernet devices is very well done through /etc/network/interfaces
[15:53] <lordievader> For wireless devices not so much, there are some hoops you have to jump through to get /etc/network/interfaces working with wifi.
[15:53] <Josh_> Don't want to try ifdown/ifup the device however, as that killed my internet last time, so just scrap command line, and use network manager?
[15:54] <lordievader> Josh_: For wifi,yes.
[15:54] <Josh_> with not having eth0 will this affect using apache2 on multiple IP? (as I use eth0 on raspberry pi to get more ip addresses up)
[15:55]  * lordievader is starting to get confused...
[15:55] <moncky> join #puppet
[15:55] <moncky> doh
[15:56] <moncky> I don't even have the excuse of using an unfamiliar keyboard layout :/
[15:56] <lordievader> Poor slashes, they're allways forgotten.
[15:56] <Josh_> on Raspberry Pi (I can use eth0 to get multiple ip to use with apache, even though it uses wlan0) but on my netbook (i have no eth0 so not sure how I will get multiple ip addresses)
[15:56] <Josh_> sorry if I don't word it properly sometimes, I'm new to ubuntu lol
[15:57] <lordievader> Josh_: Why do you want multiple ip's routing to the same host?
[15:58] <Josh_> it's on my netbook, and this will be my portable apache for testing things when I can't ssh to my pi
[15:58] <moncky> Unless you live in Glasgow, but thats a different sort of slash
[15:58] <lordievader> Josh_: I don't see a reason to need multiple ips?
[15:59] <Josh_> it's just easier for me, rather than editing the hosts file, then rebooting for domains to work with apache, I can just use  example ifup etho:150 (for ip <IP_ADDRESS>)
[16:02] <lordievader> Josh_: What's wrong with an extra entry in the hostfile for example.com -> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[16:02] <lordievader> No need to mess with anything else.
[16:03] <Josh_> lordievader Just having to reboot every time I add a host file that annoys me, And on the Pi, I don't even need to reboot
[16:03] <lordievader> Josh_: You set it up once, reboot and done?
[16:04] <Josh_> That's only for one site? With ifup/ifdown, I can do as many as I need, and don't have to reboot
[16:04] <Josh_> http://krypted.com/unix/setting-up-multiple-ips-in-ubuntu/ But all guides show them using eth0 (or eth0:1)
[16:05] <lordievader> Josh_: It's for as many sites as you want. Let apache handle the vhost stuff not your routing.
[16:05] <Josh_> how would I use apache2 with multiple IP? (is that possible instead)
[16:06] <lordievader> Why would you want to do that? Apache is capable of serving ~unlimited websites on a single ip.
[16:07] <Josh_> I know, But they are only view able from <IP_ADDRESS>, which is why I was wanting the IP's
[16:08] <lordievader> Josh_: Let it listen to your other interfaces too.
[16:08] <Josh_> by editing /etc/apache/ports.conf?
[16:10] <lordievader> Josh_: Yes, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/bind.html
[16:11] <Josh_> Done that, Restarted apache and http://paste.ubuntu.com/8459662/
[16:11] <lordievader> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[16:12] <Josh_> I have a Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:80 in ports.conf (and reloaded) not sure what's happening
[16:13] <lordievader> Josh_: What is your current ip?
[16:13] <Josh_> Locally <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:13] <yahyaa> "The JDK is missing and is required to run some NetBeans modules" error message I keep getting on kubuntu, i am running netbeans 8.0.1,
[16:14] <lordievader> Josh_: There is your problem you are trying to listen to a port with an ip address you do not have.
[16:14] <Josh_> yahyaa you could try sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk to install java?
[16:14] <Josh_> is there a way to fix that vader?
[16:16] <yahyaa> thanks let me try that!
[16:23] <lordievader> Josh_: Let it listen to an IP you have.
[16:24] <Josh_> How can I let apache have more IP?
[16:25]  * lordievader sigh
[16:25] <lordievader> Josh_: You don't want that.  Yes.
[16:27] <Josh_> is there not any other way to get multipl ip?
[20:04] <TheFakeazneD525> HALP
[20:04] <lordievader> !ask | TheFakeazneD525
[22:53] <TheFakeazneD525> lordievader: so, earlier I put a bouncy ball widget on my screen, then set gravity to 0, and autobounce to max, and it took me a while to delete it
[22:53] <TheFakeazneD525> lordievader: is there a file I can delete in the future to get rid of it?
[22:53] <TheFakeazneD525> or a command to run?
[23:23] <street> humm


[01:52] <ronnoc> yofel: paste output here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12269712/
[02:21] <to10fcm> hey guys, i updated to 15.10 development branch and now krunner and the kde menu crash when i search for certain things, but not always
[02:22] <to10fcm> filed this report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352245
[02:30] <ahoneybun> mmm I can't seem to do that
[02:30] <ahoneybun> krunner has been working perfect for me
[02:30] <ahoneybun> I'll reboot in a min and test fresh as I applied some updates today
[02:33] <to10fcm> doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade says i'm all the way up to date
[02:33] <to10fcm> dpkg --configure -a shows no problems, everything is cool there
[02:33] <to10fcm> apt-get autoremove is clean too, i've already done that
[02:34] <to10fcm> i'm basically where the repo says i should be.. yet i'm experiencing these crashes
[04:16] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ping
[05:54] <valorie> after a restart, Wily is running super
[05:54] <valorie> two volume widgets, but that is known
[05:56] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: pong on Telegram
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:47] <soee> good news, while installing Atom a lot of backages have been removed on my work machine, but aftert that dist-upgrade & kubuntu-desktop install i have fully working Wily without any dependency probelms etc.
[08:51] <soee> Riddell: wil you push Plasma 5.4.1 to archive ?
[08:51] <Riddell> soee: next tuesday I will
[08:51] <Riddell> until then please test
[08:51] <Riddell> !testers  | plasma in staging
[08:51] <Riddell> thelionroars: ^^
[08:52] <vip> vivid?
[08:52] <yofel> wily
[08:52] <soee> aah nex tuseday :D, Riddell i tested it yesterday on my laptop, works fine.
[08:53] <soee> i will install it now on my work machine
[08:53] <yofel> soee: no crashes anymore?
[08:53] <vip> soo, gotta upgrade?
[08:53] <yofel> although, those are mesa/qt5, not plasma
[08:53] <soee> yofel: on laptop not sure, here on my work machine (PC) i just upgraded and had one crash when switching and activating application dashboard
[08:54] <soee> yes Plasma 5.4.1 shouldn't have anything to do with those massive crashes on my laptop
[08:55] <soee> yofel: also on this PC nvidia 352 driver works fine
[08:55] <yofel> k
[08:55] <soee> so teh problem is related to optimus tech, nvidia-prime etc
[08:58] <soee> Riddell: why plasma-desktop package on the status list has orange bg ?
[08:58] <Riddell> soee: packagekit too old :( please poke mvo about it
[08:58] <soee> :)
[09:00] <Riddell> hi clivejo
[09:00] <clivejo> hi Riddell
[09:03] <Riddell> clivejo: did you get anywhere with calligra?
[09:03] <clivejo> havent looked at it to be honest
[09:26] <clivejo> Riddell: did you get my email yet?
[09:26] <Riddell> clivejo: nope, I don't think that's going to appear now
[09:28] <clivejo> lets try again
[09:29] <Riddell> clivejo: yay got it now
[09:30] <clivejo> strange
[09:30] <clivejo> maybe kontact was having a bad day
[09:34] <clivejo> Riddell: was I on the right track at all?
[10:36] <mparillo> Now that WIly is on 5.4, is anybody else seeing this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351805
[10:36] <ChALkeR> Could you at lest replace http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/featured-image-repeat-x.png, please?
[10:38] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: ^
[10:38] <soee> mparillo: someone mentioned that such file weas missing or something
[10:39] <clivejo> what you mean replace it?
[10:41] <ChALkeR> It makes my eyes bleed =)
[10:41] <mparillo> Thanks soee. It might have been me a week ago ;-)
[10:42] <ChALkeR> clivejo: Replace it with a new wallpaper or with the fixed old one
[10:43] <ChALkeR> http://oserv.org/files/kde/wallpaper-vibrant/desktopWallpaper-vibrant-1.3-kvermette.splitnoise.svg.out.x4.optipng.advdef/images/2560x1600.png — this has the same width, you could cut the same rectangle out of there
[10:44] <ChALkeR> Btw, I am not sure where did you take that from.
[10:44] <clivejo> are you looking at http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/ which was the demo WIP, or the actual kubuntu.org website which went live few days ago?
[10:45] <ChALkeR> actual
[10:45] <Riddell> clivejo: you didn't get as far as changing the build-depends, I tidied it up here but seems like it still fails to build https://launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[10:45] <ChALkeR> The original file didn't look _that_ bad.
[10:45] <ChALkeR> Ah.
[10:45] <ChALkeR> You made it into a 8-bit colormap.
[10:45] <ChALkeR> featured-image-repeat-x.png: PNG image data, 2560 x 500, 8-bit colormap, non-interlaced
[10:46] <ChALkeR> That's where all the artifacts are from.
[10:50] <soee> mparillo: im sure it wasnt you :)
[10:50] <soee> valorie: maybe or someone else
[10:51] <ChALkeR> It's strange.
[10:52] <ChALkeR> When I convert the image to 8-bit with pngquant, the result is much better than what you have there.
[10:52] <ChALkeR> Though still not good.
[10:52] <clivejo> I think I heard someone talking about a git hub project for the website theme
[10:53] <clivejo> maybe make the suggestion there?
[10:54] <clivejo> https://github.com/ovidiub13/KubuntuAdverticaLightChild/issues
[10:59] <clivejo> ChALkeR: can you provide the image of how you would like to see it?
[11:00] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin and ahoneybun will be here later, I can pass your suggestion on?
[11:02] <ChALkeR> clivejo: http://oserv.org/bugs/kubuntu.org/
[11:02] <ChALkeR> Compare them.
[11:02] <ChALkeR> orig is your current file.
[11:02] <ChALkeR> 8bit doesn't look good imo, but it's clearly better than what you have now
[11:04] <ChALkeR> best is 4 times heavier but looks good
[11:04] <ChALkeR> clivejo: Actually, there is one more thing to note there, wait a moment.
[11:08] <soee> Riddell: tested 5.4.1 on my work machine also, +1 for it
[11:09] <soee> can someone take a look @ #kubutnu and the problem danielle31 reports ?
[11:09] <soee> #kubuntu
[11:16] <ChALkeR> clivejo: check out the «nonoise» variant.
[11:17] <ChALkeR> clivejo: Compare http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/featured-image-repeat-x.png and file:///home/chalker/Documents/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D1%8B/kde/wallpapers/desktopWallpaper-vibrant-1.3-kvermette.splitnoise.svg.out.x4.optipng.advdef/test/featured-image-repeat-x.nonoise.png
[11:17] <ChALkeR> owow, sorry =)
[11:17] <ChALkeR> clivejo: Compare http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/featured-image-repeat-x.png and http://oserv.org/bugs/kubuntu.org/featured-image-repeat-x.nonoise.png
[11:18] <ChALkeR> The latter is only 23% heavier.
[11:19] <ChALkeR> It still has slight banding, and it's solvable, but I do not have enough time to do that right now.
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:20] <ChALkeR> ovidiu-florin: ↑↑
[11:21] <ChALkeR> clivejo: That repo above doesn't contain the images.
[11:29] <ChALkeR> But ok, filed a issue.
[12:03] <ovidiu-florin> ChALkeR: hey
[12:03] <ovidiu-florin> I've replaced the image with a cropped version of what you provided (the big one)
[12:04] <ovidiu-florin> if it's not good enough, please open an issue on the them github, and I'll solve it after work
[12:06] <ChALkeR> ovidiu-florin: Why the cropping?
[12:07] <ChALkeR> It's getting repeated on x on my monitor. The 2560 image was fine, I think.
[12:08] <ChALkeR> ovidiu-florin: Could you use http://oserv.org/bugs/kubuntu.org/featured-image-repeat-x.nonoise.png for now?
[12:08] <ChALkeR> It's in fact smaller than the current cropped one.
[12:09] <ChALkeR> I have opened an issue.
[12:28] <ovidiu-florin> ChALkeR: done
[12:30] <ChALkeR> ovidiu-florin: Thanks =)
[12:32] <ChALkeR> ovidiu-florin: When you will have time, for the title page it would make sense to split that in two images: the front and the back.
[12:32] <clivejo> ChALkeR: you have a good eye for detail
[12:33] <ChALkeR> clivejo: It was hard not to notice, http://oserv.org/bugs/kubuntu.org/featured-image-repeat-x.orig.png is the original version
[12:33] <clivejo> didnt bother me :/
[12:33] <ChALkeR> Might depend on the monitor, not sure.
[12:34] <ovidiu-florin> jose: ping
[12:34] <ChALkeR> ovidiu-florin: To allow updating them separately.
[12:34] <ovidiu-florin> ChALkeR: are you a designer or a web developer?
[12:35] <ChALkeR> web developer
[12:35] <ChALkeR> I am not a designer.
[12:42] <ovidiu-florin> back end or front end?
[12:48] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: does that theme support submenus?  and can "The Kubuntu Team" be put under the Community menu item as a sub?
[12:48] <ChALkeR> ovidiu-florin: Both.
[13:27] <ronnoc> yofel: Did you get my crash output from last night? If so was it helpful?
[13:29] <yofel> ronnoc: interestingly your crash is also from brw_clear(), but from a different point...
[13:29] <yofel> probably best if you file another bug like I did with bug 1492037
[13:29] <yofel> and follow the same instructions to report on the freedesktop bugzilla
[13:31] <ronnoc> ok will do
[13:32] <ronnoc> I also noticed that the crash rate is way higher with any king of graphic application running.
[13:32] <ronnoc> *kind
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> it might, but submenus are a terrible idea
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: ^
[14:40] <clivejo> :/
[14:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: oh it was pointed out the t-shirts shop isn't linked from the new site
[14:40] <Riddell> and since they just donated us $100 we should add it back :)
[14:44] <soee> yofel: have you seen last comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1492037 ?
[14:45] <yofel> yes, I'll do that in the evening
[14:50] <d_ed> ronnoc: ovidiu-florin: the bug wtih brw_clear is already reported upstream
[14:51] <yofel> d_ed: you don't by chance have the bug #?
[14:51] <d_ed> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86281
[14:51] <yofel> <3
[14:52] <d_ed> there's a workaround distros should have all put in : https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-distro-packagers/2015-August/000088.html
[14:52] <d_ed> that was sent to kde-distro-packagers, I dunno if you're on that
[14:54] <ronnoc> Well it definately slipped by someone lol. How fast can the workaround get in?
[14:55] <yofel> uh no, I'm on kde-packagers and release-team
[14:56] <yofel> subscribed
[14:57] <yofel> oh, that's the issue with SNA
[14:57] <yofel> now I remember
[14:58] <ronnoc> yofel: would it still do any good to file a bug in my case? Or are we pretty covered there?
[14:58] <yofel> ronnoc: maybe check if your next trace shows the exact same crash... but I think you're seeing the same issue
[14:59]  * ronnoc lets plasma die so as to not be bothered with crash notices...continues to <alt><tab> between apps...
[15:00] <ronnoc> yofel: AFAICT they are always pretty simmilar, so I'll let it be but ping me if I can help further.
[16:03] <doko> sitter, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1474539 (not Python specific)
[20:30] <sitter> doko: that kubuntu-driver-manager FTBFS doesn't seem valid anymore. I certainly can't find a refernece to KF5IconThemes in any cmake package anyway
[20:56] <doko> sitter, ok
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> can someone please confirm: System settings -> shortcuts -> Global shortcuts -> components: Kwin component is missing
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> I run vivid with backports
[21:12] <soee> it is in Plasma 5.4.1
[21:12] <yofel> yeah, there for me in 5.4.1
[21:12] <yofel> anyone else can't connect to wifi with 5.4.1?
[21:13] <yofel> If I edit my network settings I get a notification telling me "no agents available to get secrets for <ssid>"
[21:13] <yofel> stange enough, kmail and owncloud seem to be able to get their passwords...
[21:13] <soee> i would test it yofel but it looke liek my pasword is gone and i shoudl find it to be able to connect wifi
[21:14] <soee> on moment, if i find it i'll test connection
[21:14] <doko> sitter, still ftbfs, https://launchpad.net/~pythoneers/+archive/ubuntu/py35asdefault/+sourcepub/5160710/+listing-archive-extra
[21:15] <yofel> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lKF5::IconThemes
[21:15] <yofel> uh... is double-colon even valid syntax here?
[21:16] <soee> yofel: i'm connected
[21:16] <yofel> strange...
[21:18] <clivejo> does anyone use ring SIP client?
[23:40] <valorie> awright folks, off for most of the Labor Day weekend