[12:00] <mattgirv> Has anyone noticed the repositories are fairly slow, the last couple of days?
[12:00] <klaas> mattgirv: nope.
[12:00] <mattgirv> I am only downloading at 50kb/s, at http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/
[12:00] <LinuxJones> selinium, some applications like acrobat and firefox have problems printing from gnome. You can have a look here >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2384.html
[12:00] <HappyFool> Pupeno: what i did when developing some python code was to install latest / cvs versions of stuff i need in $HOME/usr
[12:01] <selinium> HappyFool: yes it sends the file to lpr which is also a bit poo! :)
[12:01] <linukso> shadeofgrey: ah, now I remember: apt-get install planner. That was what I was thinking of
[12:01] <_phate_> how do I get tar to decompress an archive to a specific directory
[12:01] <Ali_Baba> zazeem: have you looked ubuntu forums HOWTO sounds threads?
[12:01] <guerby> HappyFool, I tried various -Wl,xxx invocations but it doesn't want to look at /lib32 ...
[12:01] <Pupeno> HappyFool: that's a possible alternative, I want something more integrated on the system. I believe /usr/local/ exists for that purpose.
[12:01] <selinium> LinuxJones: cheers for that!
[12:01] <zazeem> wha??
[12:01] <guerby> HappyFool, anyway thanks for the moral support :)
[12:01] <zazeem> i just installed ubuntu a few hours ago
[12:01] <HappyFool> ;)
[12:01] <linukso> Pupeno: I find gentoo a more suitable platform for developement.
[12:01] <zazeem> wheres that thread
[12:01] <zazeem> ?
[12:02] <thr1ce> zazeem, if it says nothing, then it worked
[12:02] <Pupeno> linukso: well, I have to agree that it was easier to get a good Lisp environment on Gentoo than on Ubuntu, but I'm tired of compiling kernels and having to make everything else work, by hand.
[12:02] <zazeem> i tried et
[12:02] <LinuxJones> selinium, ;)
[12:02] <zazeem> no sound still in it lol
[12:02] <HappyFool> Pupeno: yeah, but you never need to sudo / su anything. i feel that my system is fairly 'safe' if i work in my home dir
[12:02] <zazeem> everywhere but et
[12:02] <zazeem> :/
[12:02] <humbraro> Blaine
[12:02] <Ali_Baba> zazeem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30076
[12:02] <HappyFool> Pupeno: obviously this is of no use if more than one user needs the stuff
[12:02] <Acer> Quick question: I filled in the info for the ShipIt thing, and clicked "update info" at the bottom. It said "You requested X CDs. They will be shipped the following address:...". Does that mean they are going to be shipped, and I don't have to do anything else?
[12:02] <thr1ce> run killall esd && /home/you/bin/et"  or whatever; try that, and that will determine if it's esd or not
[12:02] <guerby> HappyFool, do you know in what channel I might find debian/gcc specialists?
[12:03] <mole_> g'day all
[12:03] <linukso> Pupeno: I know... Been using Ubuntu for about a week, and I must say that is has its strength and weekness
[12:03] <HappyFool> guerby: sorry, no. i guess you could try #gcc. i don't know how friendly they are
[12:03] <danko123456> gday, mole.
[12:03] <guerby> HappyFool, they're friendly but no  debian guy at the moment
[12:03] <linukso> Pupeno: compared to gentoo, but one cant have everything...
[12:04] <mole_> anyone have any idea how to correct this error?
[12:04] <mole_> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:04] <mole_> after apt-get update
[12:04] <zazeem> heres what i got zazeem@ubuntu:~$ killall esd && /home/zazeem/enemy-territory/et esd: no process killed
[12:04] <Anubis> I can I change the rtsp handler in FF
[12:04] <Pupeno> linukso: yes, I agree... I just feel that I was spending too much time on side tasks instead of my own tasks, like programming, that's why I looked a more automatic solution than Gentoo.
[12:04] <thr1ce> zazeem, but et runs right?
[12:04] <zazeem> ya et runs
[12:05] <zazeem> no sound but runs
[12:05] <thr1ce> still no sound?
[12:05] <Anubis> How can I change the rtsp handler in Firefox/Mozilla
[12:05] <Ali_Baba> zazeem: sudo killall esd
[12:05] <zazeem> nope
[12:05] <Anubis> I don't want it to open Totme
[12:05] <Anubis> I want it to use Realplayer/Helix
[12:05] <thr1ce> zazeem, that's so strange; I wonder why it's not using esd for sound
[12:05] <IIIEars> What is the command to install  libdvdcss-1.2.8.tar.bz2?  sudo -k ./cconfigure && make && make install ?
[12:05] <zazeem> :|
[12:05] <linukso> Pupeno: know the feeling....
[12:05] <HappyFool> IIIEars: you only need sudo for the last step (make install)
[12:06] <Pupeno> anyway, my initial question remains, should I ask somewhere else, like a mailing list or forum ?
[12:06] <zazeem> want error
[12:06] <zazeem> ?
[12:06] <nickrud> IIIEars, tar jxvf libdvd..., first :)
[12:06] <thr1ce> yeah, don't configure and make while sudo
[12:06] <zazeem> ?
[12:06] <IIIEars> Cool! Thank You Happy Fool!         (getting high on linux power. - grin)
[12:06] <zazeem> ------- sound initialization -------
[12:06] <zazeem> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[12:06] <zazeem> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[12:06] <zazeem> ------------------------------------
[12:06] <IIIEars> Excellent! :)
[12:06] <zazeem> thats error
[12:07] <thr1ce> hm....
[12:07] <HappyFool> IIIEars: i have libdvdcss2 1.2.8 via synaptic; didn't need to build anything
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> Star Wars is great
[12:07] <nickrud> zazeem, try lsof /dev/dsp
[12:08] <zazeem> k
[12:08] <IIIEars> It was in synaptic also -i wanted the practice. - just a lazy saturday
[12:08] <thr1ce> lsof /dev/dsp
[12:08] <thr1ce> see what's goin on
[12:08] <zazeem> zazeem@ubuntu:~$ lsof /dev/dsp
[12:08] <zazeem> zazeem@ubuntu:~$
[12:08] <zazeem> thats all
[12:08] <zazeem> lol
[12:08] <thr1ce> that's good, it means nothing is open
[12:08] <zazeem> k
[12:08] <LinuxJones> Pupeno, if you'd like to package some stuff for Ubuntu you could ask in #ubuntu-motu
[12:09] <Pupeno> LinuxJones:
[12:09] <Pupeno> LinuxJones: thanks.
[12:09] <LinuxJones> Pupeno, ;)
[12:10] <marios> I'd like to programm for ubuntu :)
[12:10] <IIIEars> got a copy of The Incredibles - peek at the source build and  watch with my family
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> marios: i think the right channel for that is ubuntu-love
[12:12] <marios> I know :)
[12:13] <thechitowncubs> so y are you telling the commoners in here that :P
[12:14] <nickrud> zazeem, you still here?
[12:16] <danko123456> check this picture out... http://www.mts.net/~danb/Screenshot-3.png
[12:17] <nickrud> zazeem, thr1ce http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=289541
[12:18] <thr1ce> nickrud, that seems so strange...I wonder why it's not seeing esd has no running procs
[12:19] <nickrud> thr1ce, I don't have a clue, and I'm not sure what poking into /proc does in this case, but ...
[12:19] <thr1ce> nickrud, i mean procs as processes, sorry
[12:19] <nickrud> thr1ce, yeah, i understood you, the link does the poking :)
[12:20] <zazeem> im back
[12:20] <zazeem> sorry
[12:20] <thr1ce> zazeem, try that link that nickrud found...it might help
[12:21] <LazySod> I can't reach "preferences:///" in nautilus (swedish install)
[12:21] <zazeem> k
[12:21] <busybarks> g
[12:21] <NetGeek>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY merlin13
[12:21] <thr1ce> ...
[12:22] <LazySod> is it outdated?
[12:22] <IIIEars> ""/bill/libdvdcss-1.2.8 # sudo -k dpkg && make && sudo -k  make check-install"" - Missing the magic but where?
[12:22] <ronaldo> :)
[12:22] <nickrud> LazySod, I don't have it either, must be
[12:23] <NetGeek> thr1ce: damn it
[12:23] <thr1ce> :)
[12:23] <thr1ce> can gnome "shade" windows?
[12:23] <omV0> i tried to install Celestia but when i try to run it i get "Unable to resolve Xmu symbols - please check your Xmu library installation."
[12:23] <nickrud> thr1ce, yeah, in preferences
[12:23] <LazySod> nickrud: so, how do you change the manu?
[12:24] <LazySod> *menu
[12:24] <omV0> but i have Xmu libraries installed...
[12:24] <thr1ce> nickrud, is that new in 2.6.10?
[12:24] <omega_> anyone found a solution to the "cannot find default font "fixed"" with recent updates to breezy?
[12:24] <IIIEars> Nickrud - Linux guru, Do you know the magic incantation to bring super heroes to life on the screen? - grin
[12:24] <nickrud> LazySod, smeg ( a program ) is what most people seem to be using
[12:24] <danko123456> omega_: it would be in apt...
[12:24] <LazySod> okeli dokeli, i'll try it, thx
[12:24] <nickrud> IIIEars, yeah, mplayer :)
[12:25] <IIIEars> ROFL
[12:25] <mole_> anyone know how to fix this error?
[12:25] <mole_> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:25] <nickrud> thr1ce, no, metacity's always had it
[12:25] <mole_> sudo apt-get update doesn't seem to help
[12:25] <thr1ce> nickrud, oh...my bad; been awhile since i've used gnome; I know kde just tried in 3.4, and failed
[12:25] <IIIEars> okay - I appreciate what you showed me. - I'll grab it from synaptic and do it another day.
[12:25] <danko123456> mole_: yeah....maybe...maybe its down..or someting.
[12:26] <nickrud> thr1ce, you mean rolling up the window into the toolbar, right
[12:26] <IIIEars> my wife is clapping - lol
[12:26] <WiFiTux> Hi, can someone help me with my apt.conf with a squid proxy? I can it to work, but not in this specific network... :(
[12:26] <danko123456> clap back...
[12:26] <thr1ce> nickrud, yup; I found it though, thanks
[12:26] <mole_> I can get to the update servers no problem with a browser  -  perhaps a configuration problem with GPG?
[12:27] <nickrud> thr1ce, I just thought I'd seen it in kde the couple of times i fiddled with it
[12:27] <thr1ce> nickrud, in 3.4, it's an option, but for some reason won't stay shaded
[12:28] <WiFiTux> can someone please help me with the apt.conf? :(
[12:28] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: what did you tell me to change the other day for gpm?
[12:28] <Acer> Quick question: I filled in the info for the ShipIt thing, and clicked "update info" at the bottom. It said "You requested X CDs. They will be shipped the following address:...". Does that mean they are going to be shipped, and I don't have to do anything else?
[12:28] <nickrud> thr1ce, probably when you mouse over the scrolled up window top thingy
[12:28] <danko123456> mole_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?source=search&expr=Authentication&submit=Search
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> I gots a /
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> ?
[12:28] <thingfish> Acer: yes.
[12:28] <MonkeyBonkey> how can i make ubuntu run faster
[12:28] <Acer> kickin' rad
[12:29] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, you need to change the device under configured mouse to /dev/gpmdata
[12:29] <danko123456> MonkeyBonkey: slow yourself down...
[12:29] <wdh> MonkeyBonkey, buy a better computer
[12:29] <hybrid_goth> nickrud: and where was it at?
[12:29] <MonkeyBonkey> no its for my friends crappy P2
[12:29] <MonkeyBonkey> lol
[12:29] <danko123456> slow him down.
[12:29] <Putu_Pluto> Hello!
[12:29] <nickrud> hybrid_goth, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:29] <wdh> MonkeyBonkey, replace gnome with fvwm or xfce
[12:29] <hybrid_goth> ty
[12:29] <MonkeyBonkey> how?
[12:29] <danko123456> yo, Putu_Pluto
[12:29] <Putu_Pluto> Hi, danko
[12:30] <danko123456> MonkeyBonkey: in apt, synaptic
[12:30] <mole_> danko: thankyou
[12:30] <danko123456> yo
[12:30] <WiFiTux> I have Acquire::http::Proxy "http://alebonbe:password@<IP_ADDRESS>:3128/"; and only http sources in the sources.list, could there be something instead of ::http
[12:30] <zazeem> wow thr1ce and nickrud thnx!! it works!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:30] <zazeem> finally
[12:30] <zazeem> i can get rid of windows :D <3 <3 <3
[12:30] <zazeem> gtg ttytyl
[12:31] <XincX> hi
[12:31] <danko123456> T....
[12:31] <IIIEars> Eureka!  Nice link to building mplayer.    http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[12:32] <WiFiTux> am I being ignored here? :|
[12:32] <XincX> i am trying to configure my adsl internet, but when I am doing pppoeconf, it make me an error of "concentrateur "
[12:32] <wdh> WiFiTux, sure you are :)
[12:32] <WiFiTux> wdh: I know
[12:32] <thingfish> WiFiTux: no, probably just no one knows how to help.
[12:32] <danko123456> IIIEars: what if the release name changes?
[12:32] <wdh> WiFiTux, just wait for someone smart to read your question :)
[12:32] <WiFiTux> :(
[12:32] <WiFiTux> ok
[12:32] <thenuke> IIIEars: ? is that really necessary?
[12:32] <danko123456> WiFiTux: man, why do you have a proxy anyhow, what kinda q is that?
[12:32] <IIIEars> Yes it's for warty. - np - grin
[12:32] <wdh> WiFiTux, we all suck too hard to be able to help you :D
[12:32] <thenuke> IIIEars: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer  what about this?
[12:33] <danko123456> IIIEars: no, its for MPlayer-1.0pre5.tar.bz2...
[12:33] <IIIEars> naah - finding out how it works is great fun.
[12:33] <danko123456> anyhow, I have a good one for a while now.
[12:33] <danko123456> and it installs -dev codec package libs.
[12:35] <XincX> anyone can help me ?
[12:35] <thenuke> XincX: maybe, maybe not.
[12:36] <laosiano> XincX: don t ask to ask =)
[12:36] <LazySod> XincX said: i am trying to configure my adsl internet, but when I am doing pppoeconf, it make me an error of "concentrateur "
[12:36] <XincX> concentrateur is in french
[12:36] <LazySod> thenuke and laosiano see above
[12:36] <laosiano> i think that is router
[12:36] <danko123456> IIIEars: this is whack, a little... $ tar -xjf essential-20040922.tar.bz2  ...   $ sudo mkdir -p /usr/local/lib/codecs 	...     $ sudo cp essential-20040922/* /usr/local/lib/codecs/  he should just do a move.
[12:36] <thenuke> just did /last
[12:37] <thenuke> I always fell for those "cant or can anyone help me.."
[12:37] <thenuke> If anyone did not know, no one does not after a while either
[12:39] <danko123456> ha
[12:41] <danko123456> konversation terminated
[12:41] <philc1> I have linux on a system already.  He's using the live cd and he says Ubuntu doesn't detect the C: drive, what should he do?
[12:51] <terje> br_uk_to is spamming
[12:51] <The> the specs?
[12:51] <nickrud> terje, option agpmode
[12:52] <LinuxJones> phantasyfin, check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:52] <The> has anyone tried to install on a acer laptop??
[12:52] <LinuxJones> phantasyfin, scroll down to the windows section
[12:53] <The> ???
[12:53] <timothy_> Yay! Ubuntu on my iBook works :) Thanks to all involved, if any are present.
[12:53] <The> Ibook are not acer!! ACER HATES LINUX!!
[12:53] <The> anyone had any succes?
[12:54] <phantasyfin> LinuxJones, thanks. Even though I don't like Ubuntu very mcuh >_> (Phlak user :o!) This will help person that I know out :p
[12:54] <nickrud> The, have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsAcer
[12:54] <timothy_> However, two questions are currently plaguing me: 1) it doesn't awake nicely from sleep. 2) I don't know how to control the screen brightness; hitting the appropriate built-in key for it does not affect it, IIRC (it's not open right now, I'm at a desktop machine) it brings up a help browser.
[12:54] <The> ANYONE! PLZ
[12:55] <timothy_> The: sorry, I don't have any Acer stuff ...
[12:55] <The> No im looking now THXNZZ
[12:56] <timothy_> Re: 1 (doesn't wake up nicely from sleep), in a bit I'll open it up and type in what appears on the screen ... it appears to be *nearly* waking up (reconnecting ethernet etc), but then just hangs.
[12:56] <The> but has anyone tried? both ubuntu and suse 9.2-9.3 cant figure out the battery
[12:57] <nalioth> timothy_: welcome to the current state of ibook ubuntu. mine doesnt wake up well, either
[12:57] <nalioth> timothy_: a bug has been filed at bugzilla.ubuntu.org about it, tho
[12:57] <timothy_> Ah: I see now that under "Known to NOT work" is  "sleep/suspend"
[12:57] <thingfish> boy me too
[12:57] <timothy_> nalioth: thanks, heh, at least I see I'm not the only one ;)
[12:58] <nalioth> timothy_: i just never shut the lid
[12:58] <timothy_> nalioth: not an option for me when working wireless from my car ... long story :)
[12:58] <nalioth> timothy_: what gets me is: yellowdog linux has the sleep thing working perfectly
[12:58] <timothy_> heh
[12:58] <timothy_> an ex-coworker of mine is very happy with yellowdog.
[12:59] <The> anyone who knows a distro that likes acer? (sorry for the dumb questions but im a noob)
[12:59] <nalioth> timothy_: i operate a taxicab
[12:59] <nalioth> timothy_: i strap it to the passenger seat
[12:59] <timothy_> (running on one of them whatcha-call-'em PPC machines, Pegasos,)
[01:00] <timothy_> nalioth: I have (but don't really use, because it no longer likes to stand straight) a purpose-built computer desk for the car.
[01:00] <Penguin> Hello, how do you do?
[01:00] <nalioth> timothy_: i was very happy with yellowdog (just not happy with RPM hell)
[01:00] <nalioth> timothy_: lucky you (cardesk)
[01:01] <thingfish> yellowdog is rpm-based?  I didn't know that.
[01:01] <nalioth> thingfish: ydl is currently based on fedora core 2 i believe
[01:02] <thingfish> nalioth: interesting.
[01:02] <timothy_> nalioth  <-- http://mobile.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=04/07/15/1242252
[01:02] <nalioth> thingfish: timothy_ one wonders what is gonna happen when fedora core 4 is released...(PPC version is one of the new 'features')
[01:03] <timothy_> actually, I saw it running happily at ... LinuxWorld? No, OSCON, on FC2.
[01:03] <thingfish> nalioth: yes it will be interesting to see what happens.
[01:04] <timothy_> That is, a powerbook with FC2 running. Power button, volume, screen brightness, suspend -- all "just worked," though I didn't play with it long enough to find fault.
[01:04] <thingfish> it will have to be better than fc3, which was for me so buggy it's what caused me to abandon the fedora project.
[01:04] <timothy_> I assumed (but never checked) that PPC versions were available even then, but from what you're saying this isn't true.
[01:05] <aroman> is there a mirror to backports.ubuntuforums.com ? apt-get installing the packages from backports is slow to retrieve the files...
[01:05] <nalioth> aroman: backports has been acting up today
[01:05] <aroman> nalioth, been like that since I last installed ubuntu...
[01:05] <aroman> last weekend..
[01:05] <timothy_> The other day I just decided to kibosh OS X, and had downloaded PPC ubuntu's live disk, knew it supported the scanner I just got at a yard sale for $5 (which OS X does not), so I grabbed the installer disk.
[01:06] <|QuaD-_> anyone wanna help me with gpg? i am confused about terms?
[01:06] <Penguin> Does anybody know anything about using a scanner with Ubuntu?
[01:06] <|QuaD-_> what is a "fingerprint" that people add to the bottom of emails?
[01:06] <Penguin> My scanner doesn't work
[01:06] <tsume> damn, vsftpd is giving me hell
[01:06] <|QuaD-_> when people sign emails with a gpg key, do i have to have a copy of their key to validate?
[01:07] <K_Dallas> is there any messenger like client for linux which supports A/V ? gaim does not seem to be doing it. thanks
[01:07] <darkaudit> Penguin: check sane-project.org
[01:07] <timothy_> thingfish: I put FC3 on a desktop, am relatively happy with it after some tweaking based on sites googled; so I wouldn't say it was out-of-box happy for me, but I'm not *unhappy* with it either, and frankly it got me more used to and happy with gnome than the 1st ubuntu release did.
[01:07] <Penguin> I already did
[01:07] <Penguin> I have installed sane
[01:07] <darkaudit> Penguin: and your scanner is listed as working?
[01:07] <K_Dallas> Penguin, i just installed xsane and added myself to the scanner group and scanned the first page (usb scanner)
[01:08] <thingfish> timothy_: I had been with redhat and then fedora since redhat 7.something, so I was pretty used to gnome.
[01:08] <timothy_> Penguin: My Ubuntu install really did just work; I started xsane, and my scanner (HP 3300) was autodetected, I started scanning ...
[01:08] <thingfish> timothy_: I just hit a lot of bugs with fc3, beyond my ability to tolerate.
[01:08] <Penguin> xsane doesn't work
[01:09] <K_Dallas> what is the error?
[01:09] <timothy_> thingfish: I am a distro and DE / WM switcher; fickle to the point of insanity.
[01:09] <thingfish> and then I also decided I really don't care to help Red Hat make money without getting paid for it.
[01:09] <thingfish> hehe timothy_
[01:09] <Penguin> Wrong argument
[01:09] <Penguin> While opening 'gt68xx:libus:001:003'
[01:09] <timothy_> I am pretty happy with Ubuntu on my laptop, Mepis on this desktop, FC3 on a desktop in Texas, knoppix on the little machine I'll probably give to my niece ...
[01:10] <thingfish> I'm not so fickle myself.  I got hooked on debian a few months ago when I left fedora, and now I'm just waiting until sarge is released.
[01:10] <thingfish> I wanted to try Ubuntu, though.  It is nice.
[01:11] <Penguin> What can I do with my scanner?
[01:11] <K_Dallas> Penguin, is it a usb scanner?
[01:11] <Penguin> Yes, it is
[01:12] <K_Dallas> is it listed in lsusb
[01:12] <Penguin> Yes, it is
[01:12] <timothy_> thingfish: the reason I got FC3 is this: I had (for dumb, law-school application reasons) needed to convert my only reliable computer in Texas (where I live, officially, but am often not) into a Windows machine temporarily. Guess what? Windows doesn't even have a built-in burning program for CDs! And the drivers for my external drive (sheer luck I still had the CDs) decided that they...
[01:12] <timothy_> ...actually *don't* like XP, despite saying that they would work with it.
[01:12] <timothy_> So I had not distros to install, and needed one, couldn
[01:12] <Penguin> It is listed correctly
[01:12] <K_Dallas> Penguin, now you need an expert to help you, i am out of my wit sorry
[01:13] <Penguin> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 055f:0218 Mustek Systems, Inc. BearPaw 2400 TA
[01:13] <timothy_> 't burn one of the ones I had on an external disk, so I went to Barnes and Noble, and they had an English (UK) magazine with FC3 included ;)
[01:13] <K_Dallas> when you run xsane, does it say it was unable to find a scanner?
[01:13] <Penguin> Yes
[01:13] <thingfish> heh timothy_ that's about the easiest way to get a distro, can't beat that.
[01:13] <K_Dallas> (i had to add myself to scanner group to use it)
[01:14] <Penguin> And when I start Kooka, the same happens!
[01:14] <K_Dallas> you might want to try that just in case
[01:14] <timothy_> thingfish: Yes, it's tempting to subscribe, get a known-good ISO every month to try out :)
[01:14] <Penguin> So what must I do?
[01:14] <nalioth> timothy_: you should have known better than to poke the bear
[01:14] <K_Dallas> right now i am on debian but you should have system-tools users and groups in your application list
[01:14] <nalioth> timothy_: dealing with M$ is a nasty eXPerience
[01:14] <K_Dallas> run it and go to scanner group add root and yourself to it
[01:15] <timothy_> nalioth, you mean running Windows?
[01:15] <timothy_> Heh, yes, you do.
[01:15] <Penguin> hmm
[01:16] <nalioth> timothy_: the next time you have the urge for pervesity, try Win2k
[01:16] <timothy_> nalioth: Yeah, especially when one is basically unfamiliar with Windows -- it's annoying. I used to run Win2K for one purpose: it would work my 19.2k cellular modem, which Linux (at the time) would not ... I know that some people got it to work, but I never did.
[01:17] <nalioth> timothy_: i build puters and the only windoze i'll install (if the  customer pays me a windoze nuisance fee) is win2k
[01:17] <nalioth> timothy_: i build *nix boxen
[01:17] <thingfish> I just use windows because I like to flightsim and unfortunately flightgear just doesn't do it for me yet.
[01:17] <nalioth> timothy_: less liability
[01:17] <nalioth> ok gotta go
[01:18] <nalioth> c ya l8r
[01:18] <timothy_> nalioth: Yes, BUT law school means Windows XP, sadly.
[01:18] <timothy_> later
[01:18] <thingfish> later nalioth
[01:18] <nalioth> timothy_: not so
[01:18] <nalioth> timothy_: but that is a chat for another time
[01:18] <timothy_> heh
[01:18] <timothy_> later
[01:19] <pepsi> can i use breezy yet?
[01:19] <pepsi> ;)
[01:20] <sgtkernel> hehe
[01:20] <nalioth> pepsi, when you see "release candidate" in its name
[01:20] <pepsi> :(
[01:20] <nalioth> pepsi: otw, you may have more fun than you imagine
[01:20] <pepsi> i miss the daily updates
[01:21] <thingfish> switch to debian sid, you'll have all the updates you want.
[01:21] <Kartagis> hello
[01:22] <jinxi> what is the gnome webbrowser called?
[01:22] <thingfish> galeon?
[01:22] <thingfish> epiphany?
[01:23] <_simple> uh
[01:23] <_simple> gnome question
[01:23] <_simple> i'm using the gnome main menu bar, not the custom one..so how can i change the gnome icon to something else <--
[01:23] <tonquin> hi all,  i'm trying to xmms to play mp3 files.  totem plays them fine right now but xmms just seems to hang. is there a known fix for this?
[01:23] <_simple> there is a sticky in the ubuntu forum for that, but it's only to change the icon for the "menu bar"
[01:23] <_simple> not the main menu
[01:24] <thingfish> you probably need xmms-mad
[01:24] <timmow> tonquin: have you told xmms to use esd?
[01:24] <tonquin> not sure about esd...where do i do that?
[01:24] <Kartagis> what line in /etc/postfix/main.cf do I edit in order to stop my mail going as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:26] <timmow> Rclick > Options > Preferences change oss to esd
[01:26] <timmow> or esound
[01:27] <sgtkernel> anybody have dvdshrink running under wine? i'm having trouble just getting the installer to fire up
[01:27] <Kartagis> what line in /etc/postfix/main.cf do I edit in order to stop my mail going as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:27] <tonquin> timmow: i haven't told xmms to what to use....not sure where i should do it.
[01:28] <Jeezis00> ok, whenever i use synaptic or kynaptic it works fine until i try to commit the changes, then it says error 'k(s)ynaptic command not found
[01:30] <timmow> tonquin: just in preferences, but I just remember reading this on a thread, so don't know if its what you want
[01:32] <_simple> i'm using the gnome main menu bar, not the custom one..so how can i change the gnome icon to something else <--
[01:35] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[01:36] <tonquin> timmow: setting to esound worked...but it still seems flakey; after i paused it, it hung :o   thanks though :)
[01:36] <borkdox> hello
[01:36] <REBELinBLUE> has anyone managed to get Sonance installed as detailed at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17734
[01:36] <REBELinBLUE> ?
[01:37] <Thazza> Does anyone know if there is a Binary, of Mplayer for Ubuntu anywhere?
[01:37] <REBELinBLUE> only for warty I believe
[01:37] <borkdox> I am trying to reinstall my kernel (amd64) under breezy, apt-get is giving me /sbin/pivot_root, and thus an erro while configuring
[01:37] <sgtkernel> Thazza, just search for it in synaptic
[01:37] <REBELinBLUE> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[01:38] <Jeezis> ok, whenever i use synaptic or kynaptic it works fine until i try to commit the changes, then it says error 'k(s)ynaptic command not found
[01:38] <Jeezis> any ideas?
[01:40] <misfit_toy> thingfish, heheh, the dark side?
[01:40] <K_Dallas> ok guys! i have been digging in docs and googling and still cannot get this right. I appreciate any help: DSL connection is dropped for applications which go idel like browser but remains on for xchat for instance. each time i have to do poff -a and pon dsl-provider to get them back on line, what should i do?
[01:40] <borkdox> pivot_root is missing somehow
[01:40] <borkdox> and now I cannot install a kernel
[01:40] <borkdox> I have no ekrnel installed
[01:41] <neural> is there a amd64 port of kvirc3?
[01:42] <flaco_> hi
[01:42] <flaco_> anyone know how to config sound ??
[01:43] <whyameye> flaco_: what problem are you having with sound?
[01:43] <adam_> are there french here?
[01:44] <thingfish> surely there's someone French here.
[01:44] <adam_> arf
[01:44] <adam_> ^^
[01:44] <thingfish> wow, this is cool, never done chat before outside of X.
[01:44] <adam_> -_-
[01:45] <nalioth> adam have you tried #ubuntu-fr?
[01:46] <Thazza> REBELinBLUE, Tryied reading that.. tryed adding the backports.. it just tells me package not found
[01:46] <thingfish> how do you say "roach" in French?
[01:46] <K_Dallas> roach == cafard or something
[01:46] <anusaya> what's the command needed to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[01:47] <amonkey> how can i get totem to skip through a rm file that it thinks is streaming but really isn't?
[01:50] <REBELinBLUE> any idea where I can get these packages, done of them seem to be in the repositories
[01:50] <REBELinBLUE> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9    gnome-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9  gnome-vfs-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9      glade-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9  gconf-sharp-2.0 >= 1.9  gapi-2.0 >= 1.9) not met;
[01:50] <adam_> who can help me?
[01:50] <adam_> ?? who can help me??
[01:51] <adam_> i'm new
[01:51] <adam_> and           i dont know how to install program
[01:51] <neural> apt-get install
[01:51] <neural> dpkg -i
[01:51] <hypa7ia> adam_: check out http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:52] <adam_> thx
[01:52] <adam_> i'm french :s
[01:52] <hypa7ia> adam_: je pense qui'il y a un #ubuntu-fr
[01:53] <neural> i need help for amd64: is there a simple way to install 32 bit software?
[01:53] <hypa7ia> i've got a bad HDD partition ("bad superblock" on mount) - is there any way to force-mount the partition?
[01:54] <neural> hypa7ia,  could you specify what command line you use?
[01:55] <hypa7ia> mount -t reiser /dev/hda4 /mnd/hda4
[01:55] <hypa7ia> err reiserfs
[01:55] <hypa7ia> the drive is dying... i just need to get the crap off of it
[01:56] <neural> seems corrupted but i think the superblock is backup somewhere in the middle of partition but i don't know with reiser
[01:56] <Tron|BoRG> yo,
[01:56] <omega_> giard: found a solution on the forums now
[01:56] <hypa7ia> neural: it's definitely corrupted :-(
[01:57] <Tron|BoRG> When I put 'service smb restart', i get 'bash: smb: command not found'
[01:57] <Tron|BoRG> or should i say bash: service:
[01:58] <neural> well kvirc3.2 compile fine on amd64 :) now try to install
[02:00] <hypa7ia> anyone know what the defauly block size is for reiser?
[02:01] <neural> uhmm some package guru could explain this?
[02:01] <neural> package architecture (x86_64) does not match system (amd64)
[02:07] <janice> Hi All, I have a strange message with the Update Notifier in Hoary. I get the message ' There is a new release of Ubuntu available! A new release with the codename 'hoary' is available. Please see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ for upgrade instructions.' Problem is, I have already updated to Hoary. Help1
[02:08] <janice> Why does this message appear and what should I do?
[02:08] <LinuxJones> janice, sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (it's probably just a package update which includes a warning)
[02:09] <janice> LinuxJones - Thanks for replying. What does the && do?
[02:09] <tandy> is it possible to store somehow all the packages i have installed on my machine, so that if i were to reinstall i could automatically get everything reinstalled
[02:09] <Quest-Master> janice: It means "and"
[02:09] <tandy> not store the actually packages just the names
[02:10] <LinuxJones> janice, the && is for stringing more than one command to be issued to the system
[02:10] <Tron|BoRG> anyone used vino before?
[02:10] <Tron|BoRG> can you specify a port for it?
[02:10] <LinuxJones> janice, it's actually 2 commands you'll be running in sequence
[02:10] <janice> LinuxJones - So the entire string to enter is 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgradde'. Please confirm.
[02:10] <Kartagis> what line in /etc/postfix/main.cf do I edit in order to stop my mail going as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:11] <LinuxJones> janice, >> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:11] <janice> LinuxJones - should I reboot into a terminal without X running?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> janice, type that in a gnome-terminal
[02:12] <LinuxJones> janice, any terminal will do actually
[02:12] <janice> LinuxJones - is it abnormal to have 334 updates available?
[02:13] <janice> This sure seems like a lot.
[02:13] <LinuxJones> janice, you have warty installed not hoary
[02:13] <LinuxJones> janice, in that case you would want to type apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:14] <janice> I had Warty installed and then upgraded. It seemed to have worked. How do I confirm that I have Hoary installed.
[02:14] <othernoob>  hi, im trying to install ghc and when doing ./configure i get a configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH error, how do i fix that ?
[02:14] <LinuxJones> janice, cat /etc/issue
[02:14] <LinuxJones> janice, you may have a release candidate which is older (while it was still in development )
[02:15] <janice> LinuxJones - Thanks. I executed that command and it returned 'Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l'
[02:15] <janice> LinuxJones - Is this an older release candidate?
[02:15] <LinuxJones> janice, so it would be normal and once you download an install all of those packages you would not see many changes until the next release called Breezy which will be in October :)
[02:16] <LinuxJones> janice, it appears so :)
[02:16] <LinuxJones> janice, no problem tho jsut apt-get upgrade and you should be jsut fine with lots of newer software and you will be at the latest stable release whic is a good thing :D
[02:17] <LinuxJones> arch my typing :(
[02:17] <LinuxJones> argh*
[02:17] <LinuxJones> LOL
[02:17] <janice> LinuxJones - Thanks for the help. Just a few more questions. Okay, I will do 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' Thanks for the help.
[02:17] <LinuxJones> janice, you go it :)
[02:17] <janice> LinuxJones - One last thing. Is it likely that something will break in the process?
[02:18] <janice> hehe
[02:18] <borkdox> can I downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[02:18] <LinuxJones> janice, no Hoary stable is very good
[02:18] <borkdox> breezy just borkd on me
[02:18] <LinuxJones> borkdox, no :(
[02:18] <borkdox> crap
[02:18] <borkdox> :(
[02:18] <borkdox> I cant even compile a custom kernel
[02:18] <LinuxJones> borkdox, type /topic
[02:18] <borkdox> and none of the kernel in apt-get compile
[02:18] <janice> LinuxJones - One last thing. I don't have to do 'apt-get install desktop'?
[02:18] <wdh> borkdox, yes you can..
[02:19] <borkdox> wdh, I cannot make menuconfig
[02:19] <borkdox> wdh, and none of the kernels in apt-get configure
[02:19] <wdh> borkdox, its quite tricky though.. you should use apt-pinning for that.. guess searching for 'downgrade' and 'apt-pinning' on google would help you get started
[02:19] <borkdox> wdh, they give me error with pivot_root
[02:20] <Kartagis> bye
[02:20] <LinuxJones> janice, you should already have the ubuntu-desktop file so no but if your not sure you can do sudo apt get dist-upgrade
[02:20] <borkdox> wdh, ok
[02:20] <tandy> anyone know of a way to keep a list of installedp rograms so when i reinstall i can feed it to apt somehow?
[02:21] <Anubis> does graveman have to be run as su?
[02:21] <shinu> ive got a slight problem with vi. i just closed a terminal without saving a file and now i keep getting this problem: Error detected while processing /usr/share/vim/vimrc: line   58: E483: Can't get temp file name
[02:21] <shinu> then: Hit ENTER or type command to continue
[02:21] <shinu> and also my alt stopped working as ^M
[02:21] <shinu> er... i meant meta
[02:22] <wdh> tandy, dpkg --get-selections > selections.list
[02:23] <wdh> and on your new installation of ubuntu: cat selections.list |
[02:23] <wdh> cat selections.list| dpkg --set-selections
[02:23] <Anubis> graveman?
[02:23] <Anubis> blanking a cdrw?
[02:24] <janice> LinuxJones - Thanks big time. I agree with your assessment. I will do the 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' first and will do apt-get dist-upgrade if there are problems.
[02:24] <tandy> wdh ahh thank u
[02:24] <LinuxJones> janice, perfect :)
[02:24] <[noobuntu] > how can i rewind dvds *lol*
[02:24] <[noobuntu] > ?
[02:25] <Firetech> [noobuntu] : that isn't needed. ;)
[02:25] <wdh> Anubis, normally not.. you should do fine as a regular user
[02:25] <wdh> Firetech, isnt it?? i spent days rewinding my cd's :)
[02:26] <Anubis> well I guess its not a normal xase
[02:26] <Anubis> ran as su
[02:26] <wdh> actually tweaked my cdplayer to run backwards :)
[02:26] <Anubis> and now its blanking
[02:26] <wdh> Anubis, maybe you messed up with the permissions..
[02:26] <wdh> or maybe i did it once and forgot about it :)
[02:26] <Anubis> the package should have been smart enough to add me to the cdrw group or what not
[02:26] <wdh> here it works as a regular user
[02:27] <tga> Anubis: the package doesn't know who you are, you install it as root
[02:27] <LinuxJones> Anubis, what are you trying to do /
[02:27] <wdh> shinu, #vi will be better for you i guess
[02:27] <wdh> shinu, or #vim maybe
[02:28] <shinu> alright
[02:28] <shinu> sorry then
[02:28] <[noobuntu] > actually i thought bout buying a dvd rewinder... maybe i can do that softwaresided...
[02:28] <wdh> shinu, well.. surely there are vim users here.. but you on #vi you are more likely to run into an experienced one :)
[02:28] <shinu> wdh: there is noone on vi... just vim xD
[02:29] <Firetech> [noobuntu] : you can't rewind a dvd, because it has no moving parts.
[02:29] <x_or> How do I set an eth0:0 type IP in /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:29] <x_or> Er, eth0:1
[02:30] <wdh> shinu, ok.. then my second guess was correct :)
[02:30] <shinu> :D
[02:30] <wdh> Firetech, it moves all the time :)
[02:30] <wdh> Firetech, the average dvd _is_ a moving part :D
[02:31] <Firetech> whd: yes, but the reason you have to rewind a VCR is because it has moving parts inside it.
[02:31] <wdh> [noobuntu] , stop bugging Firetech.. he seems to think you are serious ;)
[02:31] <[noobuntu] > but it is in fact a medium that moves on while playing and that would be a mysterious thing not to rewind it back. how shall it came from the end to the beginning? could the world come from here to now in 0,0 seconds from end to beginning?
[02:32] <wdh> Firetech, depends completely on what scale you take a look.. microscopicly, the dvd consists of _many_ moving parts..
[02:32] <[noobuntu] > Firetech, sorry, i'm not serious at the time, this german beer is ending me up
[02:32] <othernoob> noobuntu considering that time is relative, yes ;)
[02:33] <[noobuntu] > normally we schould be able to revind a data disc...
[02:33] <[noobuntu] > sry, should...
[02:34] <Firetech> wdh: you're being TOO technical... not for me to understand, but for your own good ;)
[02:34] <count0nz> [noobuntu] , have you tryed spining the dvd in reverse and reading it backwards ?
[02:34] <wdh> Firetech, cant be too technical for me :)
[02:35] <Firetech> I've heard about someone's mother who wanted to rewindf all rented DVD's...
[02:35] <Firetech> -f
[02:35] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about agp slots?
[02:35] <[noobuntu] > count0nz, is it possible?
[02:35] <Firetech> so she sat and watched the movie backwards :)
[02:35] <wdh> black_Nightmare, yeah, there's one on my mobo
[02:35] <count0nz> eject shuld have a rewind feature :)
[02:36] <black_Nightmare> wdh..its been a long time since I remember reading this maximumpc article but.. is 8x any improvement over 4x or not really in general use?
[02:36] <[noobuntu] > count0nz, what about the sound?
[02:36] <count0nz> have you tryed eject /cdrom -rewind
[02:36] <wdh> black_Nightmare, no idea :) guess you would have to google for that..
[02:36] <wdh> black_Nightmare, or wikipedia might help you
[02:36] <count0nz> [noobuntu] , i belive the rewind mutes sound
[02:37] <difeta> Can i use the hibernate feature on my desktop? I just tried and the screens just went black, nothing else happened.
[02:37] <Firetech> g'nite, I should have gone to bed about 2 hours ago...
[02:37] <count0nz> night Firetech
[02:37] <pablo928> hi, all
[02:37] <Anubis> does graveman even work?
[02:37] <aigarius> how do I get the Debian menu in into the Gnome menu in hoary?
[02:37] <wdh> difeta, was it a clean hoary install? or an upgrade from warty?
[02:37] <wdh> aigarius, sudo apt-get install menu-xdg
[02:37] <count0nz> :( kicks the bittorrent trackers
[02:37] <difeta> wdh, clean.. as of this morning
[02:38] <aigarius> wdh: that should propably be added to the faq, thanks
[02:38] <LinuxJones> aigarius, why would you want that ?
[02:38] <borkdox> I have major breakage in breezy!!!!!!!! I LIKE IT!!!!!
[02:38] <wdh> wdh, ok.. it should work then.. i was just trying it here and couldnt get it to work.. i was told that it can be due to unsupported hardware/bios
[02:38] <aigarius> wdh: allready installed :(
[02:38] <pablo928> borkdox, feeling masochistic today?
[02:39] <count0nz> borkdox, thats the Spirit :)
[02:39] <black_Nightmare> is it difficult to set up a multiboot between ubuntu (which may possible be in hd-sleep oftenly) and windows 2K or xp (conventional shutdowns at the least)?
[02:39] <borkdox> yes!
[02:39] <borkdox> :D
[02:39] <latis> how do I get the C-compiler to work?
[02:39] <aigarius> LinuxJones, because if I install extra packages from universe, they do not show up in the menu and that is kinda bad
[02:39] <LinuxJones> aigarius, ahhh
[02:39] <latis> it says C-Compiler cant create executables
[02:39] <wdh> aigarius, ok.. i thought that was the one..
[02:40] <repete> I keep seeing references to an [ Add ]  button in network-admin, but I have no such button.
[02:40] <gagnon> frubuntu
[02:40] <wdh> black_Nightmare, ignoring anything between brackets: Not at all
[02:40] <repete> I'm having _major_ issues trying to add a wireless nic
[02:41] <neural> latis: install build-essential
[02:41] <repete> I've tried adding it to /etc/network/interfaces
[02:42] <LinuxJones> repete, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/
[02:42] <aigarius> Acctually it would be wise to start showing the Debian menu as soon as universe or multiverse repo is added to the list and synaptics or update-manager detects that
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> wdh..hm ok ty...I kinda like the hd-sleep feature that ubuntu has and uses (abit not without a bit of manual editting to disable acpi) oftenly :)
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> saves all the startup/shutdown delays that I sometimes start to hate from windows lately
[02:42] <wdh> windows does hibernating nicely, doesnt it?
[02:43] <latis> erm, how do I get bzlib with apt or sudo?
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> wdh..but is that to ram or hd?
[02:43] <[NeuraL] > ok kvirc 3.2 for amd64 is running fine
[02:43] <repete> LinuxJones: I know it is supported (atheros chipset).  I just don't know how to add an interface in a Debian-based distro
[02:43] <wdh> black_Nightmare, to hdd i guess.. otherwise they call it 'standby' i guess
[02:43] <LinuxJones> repete, sudo network-admin
[02:44] <DANL> Kubuntu starts installing, then I get a red screen saying debootstrap fault 1, anyone see this before?
[02:44] <repete> LinuxJones: that doesn't help either.  There is no way to add an interface.  Just change the one that are there.
[02:44] <pablo928> hi, i could use some help with kbear
[02:44] <LinuxJones> repete, what ?
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> wdh...hmm remind me to look up about doing that when I figure about my custom pc [and if I even decide to build it too heh]
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> long time 98se and my short try with xp .. I never could see any other options at ALL other than shutdown/reboot
[02:44] <repete> LinuxJones: That is what I thought.  It doesn't sound right.
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> must be missing something :p
[02:44] <repete> but afaict I am up to date
[02:45] <wdh> black_Nightmare, i think you must enable it first before it shows
[02:45] <wdh> in control panel -> system iirc, could be mistaken though.. it's been quite a while :)
[02:45] <black_Nightmare> hm go figure...likewise..I'll have to try read up on that when I decide on my custom pc
[02:45] <LinuxJones> repete, there used to be on there wtf ?
[02:46] <LinuxJones> repete, that's useless :D
[02:46] <Jeezis> is there any way to force a wireless device to enable
[02:46] <wdh> it's much too late
[02:46] <latis> erm, how do I get bzlib with apt or sudo?
[02:46] <repete> LinuxJones: Tell me about it :-/
[02:46] <Jeezis> i try doing it with the control panel, but it automatically disables it after a second or so
[02:46] <wdh> latis, bzlib?
[02:47] <sgtkernel> has anybody here installed wine and configured it with winetools?
[02:47] <repete> LinuxJones: Is there instructions on adding an interface manually?
[02:47] <sgtkernel> this is ridiculous...
[02:47] <wdh> sgtkernel, yep
[02:47] <wdh> but as i said.. i am going to bed :)
[02:47] <sgtkernel> the arial font installer tries to download arial.exe from umn.dl.sourceforge.net
[02:47] <sgtkernel> which doesn't appear to exist
[02:48] <sgtkernel> i can download it just fine from dl.sourceforge.net, but the installer doesn't tell me where to put it
[02:48] <LinuxJones> repete, well if you know the module name just modprobe the network card driver and hope it shows up in network-admin I guess at this point :(
[02:49] <Jeezis> how about a way to manually enter a routers mac address, any way to do that?
[02:49] <elcu> sgtkernel: if you're looking to install ms fonts, you can use:
[02:49] <elcu> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[02:49] <elcu> sudo fc-cache -f -v
[02:49] <repete> LinuxJones: Nope. :-/  I already did that, and it still doesn't show up...

[02:50] <repete> LinuxJones: thx for the help though
[02:50] <pjssilva> How can I change the fonts evolution use to print?  If you've customized the fonts in Evolution, then it's under edit->preferences->mail preferences. Otherwise, it'll be in the main menus on the top, System->Preferences->Font
[02:54] <sgtkernel> i gave up on that font install, and went to the next thing (DCOM98) and that pushed me through a bunch of clickthroughs and said "it seems the installation has failed"
[02:55] <sgtkernel> yep this sucks....everything else depends on DCOM98
[02:55] <hallaanloske> Bonsoir
[02:55] <LinuxJones> repete, well gl dude I am haveing a few beer atm adn not that much help :)
[02:55] <hallaanloske> des francophones dans la salle ?
[02:55] <pjssilva> LaCamiseta: Both ways only seem to change the "on screen" fonts for evolution. Not the printing fonts it use. Actually, I have the feeling it uses 12pt fonts to print and I use 10pt fonts on screen.
[02:56] <repete> LinuxJones: np, dude.  I have a few beers to console me while I figure this out. ;-)
[02:56] <LinuxJones> repete, :D
[02:57] <aigarius> ok, I reported that as bug #11019
[02:57] <sobersabre> i got a good advice about audio setup to alsa. something in ubuntu guide
[02:57] <sobersabre> yesterday
[02:57] <elcu> pjssilva: yes, that's likely.  i guess it's the same as mozilla using different stylesheets for printing and onscreen display.
[02:59] <pjssilva> elcu: And that makes me mad! All my e-mail is printed in big fonts and the lines are splitted in odd ways.
[02:59] <elcu> pjssilva: if you're hooked on evolution, don't bother reading this, but: thunderbird seems to match the print font with the onscreen.
[03:00] <Funraiser> what to say to firestarter to let azureus in peace?
[03:00] <pjssilva> elcu: Interesting. But I like evolution's palm pilot integration.
[03:00] <pjssilva> elcu: and I use its calendar too.
[03:01] <elcu> sobersabre: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly perhaps?
[03:01] <james_> is a quality 350 watt power supply enough to run an athlon san diego 3700+ and pcie geforce 6600 gt?
[03:02] <LinuxJones> james_, 350 should be lots
[03:02] <Anubis> graveman is broken but nautilus burns fine?
[03:02] <Anubis> Wow
[03:02] <Anubis> I'm surprised
[03:02] <elcu> pjssilva: googled yet?
[03:02] <rickard> if I have two audio cards istalled, how do I tell ubuntu which one to choose as default?
[03:02] <Anubis> nautilus has a hard time just staying running for more than a month
[03:02] <Funraiser> does someone know how to set firestarter to let azureus doing its job?
[03:03] <pjssilva> elcu: Yes... I am trying it again now. Maybe its better just to post a question in ubuntuforum and see if someone with enough time knoes a solution.
[03:03] <pjssilva> elcu: knoes == knows
[03:03] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, search the website for firestarter there are a few threads on it
[03:04] <Funraiser> LinuxJones, k thanks
[03:04] <sobersabre> elcu, thanks
[03:04] <elcu> np
[03:05] <nekohayo> hi, I noticed I have multiple resolutions available in the gnome resolutions preferences, however my xorg.conf contains only one (1024), how come?
[03:06] <nekohayo> it seems independent
[03:07] <LinuxJones> Funraiser, have a peek here for more info >> http://www.fs-security.com/docs/interface.php
[03:07] <nickrud> nekohayo, i'm curious, do the gnome resolutions work?
[03:07] <nekohayo> I'll give it a try, but I'm pretty sure they work
[03:07] <Mosi> I'm having trouble with trying to reinstall Yaboot after it got wiped from a Mac OS X install, i'm running on Live CD right now. Anyone want to take a shot at this?
[03:08] <nekohayo> nickrud, they work
[03:08] <nekohayo> the reason I noticed this is because I wanted to add higher resolutions to the xorg.conf, but they don't change anything...
[03:08] <nickrud> nekohayo, interesting :) I'm no X guru, but I find it interesting. You only have one res available in xorg.conf?
[03:09] <nekohayo> 1024x768 everywhere, except one place (depth 1) where I left the 1280x960 (I was too lazy to remove it and add it again for 45890 tries :))
[03:10] <nekohayo> default depth = 24, and at depth 24 there is only the 1024x768 mode
[03:10] <nickrud> huh, maybe gnome is doing some ddc or whatever itself. Nice.
[03:10] <nekohayo> weird huh? :)
[03:11] <sgtkernel> anybody in here have dvdshrink installed in wine?
[03:11] <nekohayo> noticed the contrary with XFCE once
[03:11] <sgtkernel> i'm having an impossible time of it
[03:11] <nickrud> nekohayo, no, a lot more nice than weird. I've struggled with configs too much.
[03:11] <nekohayo> you need to lower xorg to have a lower resolution in XFCE
[03:11] <nekohayo> well I find it fun, because I remember windows' resolutions
[03:11] <nekohayo> messing up between users XD
[03:12] <nickrud> nekohayo, so make a new user, log in and change the res, and let me know what happens :)
[03:13] <nekohayo> why?
[03:13] <Mosi> I'm running on Live, trying to reinstall Yaboot, anyone care to help me out? i mounted my harddrive and chrooted to my un-bootable root filesystem, but when i try to run ybin it says my kernal is too old for proper support... but i'm running on a 1 day old Live CD download, and my unbootable system is on hoary!
[03:13] <nickrud> nekohayo, to be honest, so I can learn :)
[03:13] <nekohayo> you never tried?
[03:14] <nickrud> nekohayo, I've got a lot of screens defined, so I'm not a good control
[03:15] <nickrud> nekohayo, no, I never realized that gnome could have different res's available, so i've never looked at ti
[03:16] <nekohayo> well, when I was a windowser, I used to have a "video" user for video output, with lower resolutions, so the image would lose less quality
[03:16] <nekohayo> if you happened to go back to the previous user
[03:16] <nekohayo> your icons were messed :)
[03:17] <nickrud> nekohayo, I've only seen that happen when I had to boot in Safe Mode (every 2 or three times at the end) :)
[03:20] <nekohayo> nickrud, multiple users with different resolutions work fine.
[03:20] <nekohayo> but the "choice list" is not according to xorg. I don't get it.
[03:22] <nickrud> nekohayo, this was very timely, cuz I just helped a guy in our shelter get his own domain name. I'm delegating this machine for their use, and that's one less thing I need to worry about.
[03:23] <nekohayo> ...uh... so I'm helping just by sitting here and asking strange questions?
[03:23] <nickrud> nekohayo, I lurk here for strange questions, I've been doing that for years here and there
[03:23] <nekohayo> glad I gave you one tonight :)
[03:24] <nickrud> ;0
[03:24] <dioxcorp> buenas
[03:24] <dioxcorp> algun espaol
[03:24] <elcu> dioxcorp: #ubuntu-es
[03:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here use minisip?
[03:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just want to say that i just got an sipphone and used it through sipphone.com to talk to a "real" phone, and it is awesome.
[03:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> itworks great.
[03:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> and is uber chaep.
[03:29] <hypa7ia> anyone know where in a dd command i put "noerror"?
[03:29] <Mosi> Does anyone know if i'm liable to damage my system if i run "ybin -b" on a currently mounted partition? I need that partition mounted to be able to run byin, could i use --force?
[03:30] <elcu> hypa7ia: AFAIK, it's an option.  i.e. something like 'dd noerror'
[03:31] <hypa7ia> yes, seems to be dd conv=noerror etc
[03:32] <elcu> yeah, that would be it. :-)
[03:32] <hypa7ia> i hope this works :-(
[03:33] <hypa7ia> it's going over the bad blocks now...
[03:33] <Maidenb> what is the root passwd after install???
[03:33] <humbraro> anybody here know how to create a *local* shared directory
[03:33] <hypa7ia> Maidenb: there isn't one
[03:33] <[NeuraL] > Maidenb: sudo -s
[03:33] <humbraro> something along the lines of /home/shared
[03:34] <hypa7ia> Maidenb: use sudo, or if you must use root there are ways to do it
[03:34] <elcu> humbraro: never tried this, but create the folder as normal then right-click on it in nautilus and select 'share folder'
[03:35] <humbraro> elcu, my understanding is that will set up a samba share...i might be wrong
[03:35] <nickrud> Maidenb, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo explains ubuntu's security thinking
[03:35] <humbraro> elcu, i'll have to check the docs
[03:36] <othernoob> what's wrong with this sources.list http://pastebin.com/287246 ?
[03:36] <othernoob> why do i always get a "cant open list..." when using apt-get ?
[03:36] <Maidenb> sudo -s passws root????
[03:36] <pikaaa> hi
[03:36] <elcu> humbraro: i'm not an expert i'm afraid.  it was just a suggestion.
[03:36] <hypa7ia> Maidenb: sudo -s then enter your password
[03:36] <lfs> Hi there, i would like to know if  there is any info on installing mplayer 32bits on a amd64 ubuntu instalation, so that it will be able to use the win32codecs
[03:36] <othernoob> http://pastebin.com/287256 the output of apt-get update
[03:36] <pikaaa> hi, is Ubuntu installed as a server by default ?
[03:36] <hypa7ia> Maidenb:  that gives you persistent sudo... there is no root acct in ubu
[03:37] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: no, as a desktio
[03:37] <hypa7ia> err desktop
[03:37] <pikaaa> okie
[03:37] <pikaaa> anyone here have heard of Beatrix Linux
[03:37] <^thehatsrule^> ...
[03:37] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[03:38] <pikaaa> i was thinking of getting beatrix as it seems simpler for a home user like me, but the downside is that they dont have an spanish version of it.. I was wondering if there are other Unbutu-based alternatives like that
[03:39] <lampshade> So, what's the deal with mixing non official and regular official packages
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> Hello guys
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> Just wanted to say
[03:39] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: ubu itself is pretty simple :-)
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> I received today in the mail several ubuntu cd's
[03:39] <nickrud> lampshade, you break it, bob2 says you get the pieces
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> 10 to be exact
[03:39] <Maquiavelo> I took them to my college's Computer labs
[03:40] <Maquiavelo> ran out of them in 5 seconds
[03:40] <Maquiavelo> lol
[03:40] <hypa7ia> i hope i get mine soon :-)
[03:40] <Maquiavelo> there is now an ubuntu fever =p
[03:40] <pikaaa> will Ubuntu installation screw up my windows setup
[03:40] <othernoob> pikaaa no
[03:41] <pikaaa> i have created unallocated space for ubuntu, but im still scared
[03:41] <lampshade> nickrud:  The reason I ask is because well, everything good is non official.  Everything needed.  Everything... I swear
[03:41] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: should be fine
[03:41] <pikaaa> okies
[03:41] <hypa7ia> just partition it manually
[03:41] <hypa7ia> don't write over the whole disk :-)
[03:41] <nickrud> lampshade, what exactly? That said, hoary is a stable release, with all that entails.
[03:42] <pikaaa> one last question, does Ubuntu have like an "add remove programs thing like windows does, and also, does it have a window to list active processes like windows
[03:42] <pikaaa> i want to remove stuff that i dont need, the easy way
[03:42] <lampshade> nickrud:  Things like the w32codecs, since there is so much done in things like wmv, I need those
[03:42] <elcu> pikaaa: yes and yes.
[03:42] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: yes, synaptic to add/remove, system-monitor for the latter
[03:42] <elcu> pikaaa: FYI, ubuntu is quite compact.
[03:42] <lampshade> nickrud:  Is mplayer in the official repos?
[03:43] <elcu> compared to other distros
[03:43] <nickrud> lampshade, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, it will serve you well
[03:43] <pikaaa> im just seriously concerned about ubuntu installiong stuff i dont need and that will take up resources, would like to read on stuff that is installed so t hat i can get rid of what i dont need
[03:43] <elcu> pikaaa: what are your system specs?
[03:44] <pikaaa> 800 Mhz, 128 ram
[03:44] <lampshade> nickrud:  Yeah, that's the problem though, you know?  Like I get it there are license issues, etc, but that doesn't make the situation better--that's what frustrates me.  Because it is either go non official or go windows
[03:45] <nickrud> lampshade, the devels agree, and have set up the best they have to offer, while still sticking to the letter. Your choice.
[03:45] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: that'll run the base install just fine
[03:45] <pikaaa> okies
[03:46] <pikaaa> i have another question
[03:46] <pikaaa> is there a way to create a custom install, maybe have an option on wherther to install some applications or not
[03:46] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: yes, do the server install and then just add the things you want... you'll need to be a little comfy with the commandline though
[03:47] <hypa7ia> a hdd install of beatrix might be a good option for you
[03:47] <mirak> I want to install xdtv but I got a dependcy problem
[03:47] <mirak> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:47] <mirak>   libavcodec2: Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[03:47] <mirak>                Depends: libvorbisenc2 (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[03:48] <pikaaa> hypa7ia i was thinking of beatrix and seemed like a great alternative but they lack a spanish version
[03:49] <darkaudit> Razor-X: so did you watch... it... yet?
[03:49] <hypa7ia> ahh, crap, in that case pikaaa i'd do a server install of ubu
[03:50] <humbraro> does anybody here know if you can set a directory to be shared locally, with unix permissions?
[03:51] <pikaaa> hypa7ia what kind of commands would i need after the server install and is the process self-done or do i have to go into tech stuff for configuration
[03:51] <lfs> shared ?
[03:51] <lfs> like /tmp ?
[03:51] <lfs> where everyone can write and read ?
[03:52] <humbraro> lfs shared, as in, any user on the system can read/write, and anything they drop in there gets treated the same way
[03:52] <hypa7ia> pikaaa: do you know how to use apt?
[03:52] <humbraro> i tried chmod +g, but that doesn't seem to cut it
[03:52] <Maidenb> cant
[03:52] <Maidenb> use de pass of root
[03:53] <TheDeathArt> hi, is it possible to make the desktop icons smaller, on ubuntu with gnome ?
[03:53] <pepsi> Maidenb, use your password
[03:53] <Maidenb> yes
[03:53] <Maidenb> but
[03:53] <Maidenb> y need the pass of root
[03:54] <pikaaa> hypa7ia i have some ideas...
[03:54] <pepsi> why? cause whatever you are doing needs root permission
[03:54] <humbraro> lfs, i could do it easily through samba, however i'm not interested in sharing anything over thenetwork
[03:54] <lfs> hmm just copy your local /tmp to the dir
[03:54] <lfs> like
[03:54] <pikaaa> i can read
[03:54] <pepsi> but you use your password
[03:54] <bigfoot> Hi all. I mistyped a website address in firefox, and got an error window titled "alert" with a message saying www.websitec.om could not be found. Please check the name and try again." I hit the "ok" button, but it won't close. What's wrong?
[03:54] <lfs> sudo cp /tmp /shared -pr
[03:54] <Mosi> How can you find out what's currently using a device, and preventing it from being umounted?
[03:54] <lfs> the p is to preserve permitions
[03:54] <lfs> and delete the contents after
[03:55] <humbraro> that would work, but it doesn't override individual users' umask permissions
[03:55] <humbraro> ie, if my gf puts something in /tmp, i cant go and delete it
[03:55] <lfs> of course not
[03:55] <pikaaa> i have to go. thank you all for your great help, bye hypa7ia will be back soon
[03:55] <hypa7ia> laters!
[03:56] <humbraro> i want everything in the dir to be 666 *as soon as it gets put there*
[03:56] <lfs> no clue , make a deamon , or a cron job to watch over the dir
[03:56] <humbraro> its totally insecure, but thats kind of the idea - a place to put pictures, video, etc
[03:56] <humbraro> hmm, cron could do it
[03:57] <humbraro> that seems like a bit of a hack though
[03:57] <humbraro> i guess thats what ACLs are for
[03:57] <Mosi> Humbraro: ACLs? that doesn't amke any sense to me. You mean like cisco ACLs?
[03:58] <lfs> more or less
[03:58] <humbraro> Mosi, access control lists
[03:58] <humbraro> not familiar with the cisco acl
[03:58] <Mosi> Humbraro: I must be thinking of different access control lists than you. It's been less time since i took a cisco class than it has since i took my linux admin classes :P
[03:59] <Mosi> cisco ACLs are firewall rules basically
[03:59] <Mosi> so you see my confusion
[03:59] <humbraro> afaik you can use them to create fine-grained permissions on network shares, ala windoze
[03:59] <Mosi> cool
[04:01] <humbraro> on a win2k server, you can set permissions like "everybody can read, these groups can delete, this group can execute, etc
[04:01] <Mosi> Humbraro: Dunno if you'll know this, but i'm having trouble unmounting my harddrive. i'm running on Live CD right now. If i copy something off my drive into the Live CD filesystem in RAM, is that drive considered in use because of that?
[04:01] <humbraro> Mosi, possibly
[04:01] <Mosi> ugh, what a headache
[04:01] <humbraro> close any windows you got open showing the drive's contents
[04:02] <humbraro>  it might be locking it
[04:02] <humbraro> Mosi, you using nautilus, or shell?
[04:02] <humbraro> or both?
[04:02] <Mosi> i have none, all the user processes i have running are IRC, GAIM, and a terminal (no, my terminal isn't CWD'd on the drive, it's sitting in / right now)
[04:03] <Mosi> Shell
[04:03] <bertrand__> hello
[04:03] <lfs> gnome or kde ?
[04:03] <resiak> Mosi: lsof | grep hda ?
[04:03] <bertrand__> gnome
[04:03] <nickrud> humbraro, I used http://www.library.yale.edu/~lso/workstation/docs/permissions/sgid.htm or something very similar a while ago, maybe it can help
[04:03] <humbraro> and "umount /path/to/drive" doesn't work?
[04:03] <resiak> Let me guess -- famd?
[04:03] <bertrand__> about wine ?
[04:03] <bertrand__> anyu help
[04:03] <humbraro> nickrud, ty for the link :)
[04:03] <resiak> bertrand__: If you ask a question, maybe.
[04:04] <Mosi> Humbraro: command returned no results, and no umount doesn't work, it gives me a pair of "device is busy" errors
[04:04] <bertrand__> for windows emulation
[04:04] <nickrud> humbraro, np, you scratched an itch :)
[04:04] <bertrand__> what is the best
[04:05] <resiak> Mosi: lsof | grep your-hdds-device, that is.
[04:05] <resiak> Mosi: or lsof | grep mountpoint, more to the point.
[04:05] <resiak> Mosi: And no, not literally "mountpoint". :-)
[04:06] <Mosi> resiak: lol. "lsof | grep /mnt" again returned no results. the drive is mounted right on /mnt before you ask
[04:06] <resiak> Mosi: Sure, oh well. It was worth a shot :)
[04:06] <Mosi> ^_^
[04:07] <hyapadi> I want to wipe out all the data in the hardisk. What program should I use so that it can't be recovered again using recovery software? Thx
[04:07] <othernoob> hyapadi use dban
[04:08] <othernoob> dban.sourceforge.net i think
[04:09] <Mosi> Hyapadi: Assuming you can do this from another drive, "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/targetdrive" should work fine, do it several times if you're especially concerned about forensics
[04:09] <mirak> what is the commannd so that it get the packages with the missing file during the configure ?
[04:09] <hyapadi> mosi thx
[04:09] <Jet2k5> guys in k3b broken for anyone else?
[04:09] <hyapadi> othernoob, dban? ok i will look for it
[04:09] <Jet2k5> I keep on getting missing libraries
[04:09] <bertrand__> why no sound in flash (swf) files
[04:10] <nickrud> Mosi, 7 times, right :)
[04:10] <Mosi> hyapadi: no problem
[04:10] <bertrand__> links to repare that
[04:10] <Mosi> nickrud: Isn't there some proprietary software that does it like 16? heh
[04:11] <othernoob> Mosi: dban does it as often as you want and any way you want ;)
[04:12] <misfit_toy> zzz
[04:12] <misfit_toy> gnite
[04:12] <hyapadi> othernoob, seems dban is the solution that i'm looking for
[04:12] <Mosi> othernoob: nice :) but you don't have to download dd most of the time, and it's 20 second's work to write a shell script that will do it as many times as you want
[04:12] <hyapadi> thx
[04:12] <nickrud> bertrand__, apt-get install flashplayer-none free from multiverse
[04:12] <resiak> $ dd if=./elcu if=/dev/hda5 bs=1024; rm ./elcu
[04:12] <resiak> elcu: I hid you!
[04:12] <hyapadi> because actually I want to wipe out an hardisk without any os
[04:12] <hyapadi> i already format it
[04:13] <elcu> resiak: good stuff then?
[04:13] <hyapadi> thx everyone. See yaaa
[04:13] <resiak> elcu: Oh yes. You're goooood sheeeet.
[04:13] <othernoob> Mosi true:)
[04:14] <Mosi> othernoob: I'm just doing it the lazy, not particularly concerned about confidential medical records way.
[04:14] <othernoob> Mosi lol, well downloading the floppy version and putting it in and boot seems pretty lazy to me too ;)
[04:15] <Mosi> othernoob: lol :P there's a complicated reason for that that turned out to not work anyways, so it was more an exercise in futility
[04:16] <misfit_toy> ok somebody tell me why I should switch to ubuntu from FC?
[04:16] <othernoob> Mosi: think we should have told him the different efficiency of the diff. delete-algorithms on the diff. harddrives?
[04:16] <othernoob> misfit_toy: because ubuntu is user-friendlier
[04:17] <othernoob> imho
[04:17] <geneo93> misfit_toy:  because its much better
[04:17] <misfit_toy> othernoob, be more specific
[04:17] <Mosi> othernoob: You should tell me about that first if you want me to help you educate him :) I'm not a guru, that was jsut soemthing i happened to know
[04:17] <doctorPepper> hey
[04:18] <nickrud> misfit_toy, one phrase 'debian developers'
[04:18] <doctorPepper> i'm having a problem with my soundcard. i can't hear anything out my headphones even though headphones volume is unmuted and all the way up
[04:18] <Mosi> misfit_toy: Because Ubuntu has a name windozers don't know how to pronounce
[04:18] <othernoob> Mosi: well you know the Gutmann Method, right? 35 parses, great algo. but not so useful on harddisks manufactured after 2000 (i think that was the year)
[04:18] <bassinboy> does anyone use nvidia-glx on teh AMD-64?
[04:19] <Mosi> othernoob: I'm really not a hardware guy. Lots of gigs is good, that's about how much i know about hard drive mechanics.
[04:19] <othernoob> Mosi: on hdds after 2000 random patterns are more efficient ..for example mersenne prng
[04:19] <humbraro> nickrud, ty again for the link - looks like i'll have to change umask on users to be g+w for the permissions i want
[04:19] <Mosi> othernoob: Didn't know that, that's cool
[04:20] <othernoob> misfit_toy: i had fc3 for 6 weeks and wasn't very impressed with it, how you had to configure pretty much everything,even the cdrom devices..
[04:20] <doctorPepper> does anyone know what the problem might be, or how i can fix it?
[04:20] <nickrud> humbraro, yeah, or just make sure they belong to the correct gourp
[04:20] <nickrud> *group
[04:21] <othernoob> misfit_toy: with ubuntu, things work, look organized. only prob i have is the 686 kernels are very unstable on my machine, which they werent on fc3
[04:21] <nickrud> othernoob, he left us ;(
[04:21] <othernoob> :O like..really left us :O
[04:22] <humbraro> ya, i don't mind doing a 'sudo chmod 666 *' every once in a while, i just need a spot for ppl to share stuff locally without the overhead of samba
[04:22] <othernoob> meh!!
[04:22] <bassinboy> does anyone use nvidia-glx on teh AMD-64?
[04:22] <othernoob> nickrud: i find people who leave when i finally know something very impolite :/
[04:23] <nickrud> frlol
[04:23] <othernoob> i'll never get some self-esteem :/
[04:23] <nickrud> othernoob, save it, you'll get another chance ;)
[04:23] <geneo93> bassinboy:  all you need do is apt-get nvidia-glx then enable it
[04:23] <othernoob> lol :)
[04:24] <bassinboy> geneo93: did, it didn't work
[04:24] <geneo93> bassinboy:  did you enable it
[04:25] <bassinboy> geneo93: Yes
[04:25] <DonL> I have a game related question if anyone is into them
[04:25] <bassinboy> DonL: i game, but only on my other OS
[04:25] <DonL> ok
[04:25] <geneo93> reboot also
[04:25] <humbraro> DonL, up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-b-a-start
[04:25] <DonL> hah
[04:25] <DonL> haha
[04:25] <bassinboy> lol
[04:26] <othernoob> Mosi: here's a link that might interest you regarding lots of gigs :) http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
[04:26] <DonL> I have an old linux version of Q3 but i cant get it to work in hoary
[04:26] <humbraro> nice to see some ppl still remember contra
[04:26] <Mosi> humbraro: what code is that? it's nagging me
[04:27] <Mosi> othernoob; thanks
[04:27] <sproingie> Mosi: it's like the universal konami cheat code
[04:27] <Mosi> sproingie: hehe, that explains it
[04:27] <geneo93> bassinboy:  atleast restart xserver ctrl alt backspace
[04:27] <kestas> hey does anyone know how to stop stuff you mount from getting a desktop icon?
[04:27] <kestas> I couldnt find it in gconf
[04:27] <sproingie> Mosi: there's a game or two where using that code will give you some smartass response
[04:27] <lfs> it is on gconf i think
[04:28] <lfs> like apps->nautilus->desktop
[04:28] <Mosi> sproingie: cute, i'll have to try it
[04:28] <lfs> volumes_visible
[04:28] <humbraro> i wish i still had a nintendo
[04:28] <kestas> lfs: cheers
[04:28] <sproingie> i'm gettin a PS3 when it comes out.  mmm 1080p
[04:28] <nickrud> kestas, If I understand correctly, anything that isn't identified as user in fstab won't show up on the desktop
[04:28] <DonL> humbraro, Nintendo still rocks
[04:29] <bassinboy> geneo93: it's suppose to change my XF86Config automaticly, right?
[04:29] <kestas> nickrud: nope even non-user stuff like smbfs shares show up
[04:29] <sproingie> the controller still looks like the bat-a-rang tho
[04:29] <kestas> nickrud: but dw lfs got it
[04:29] <humbraro> yep, i miss bionic commando, super mario 3, some others
[04:29] <sproingie> holy elongated vibrating controller batgirl
[04:29] <nickrud> kestas, I have no smbfs shares, so I must stop here
[04:29] <DonL> Some of the old stuff was the best
[04:29] <humbraro> sproingie, lmao
[04:29] <geneo93> bassinboy:  should have xorg
[04:30] <bassinboy> geneo93: neg, warty
[04:30] <othernoob> Mosi: did you check out that link ?
[04:31] <Maidenb> \join #ubunto-es
[04:31] <geneo93> bassinboy:  never had glx in warty so i couldn't tell you
[04:31] <Mosi> othernoob: i will do so now, i was distracted by something
[04:31] <humbraro> DonL, back on topic, is it a cd version, or downloaded?
[04:31] <bassinboy> geneo93: alrighty
[04:31] <nickrud> Maidenb, /join, this isn't windows ;P
[04:32] <bassinboy> haha
[04:32] <lampshade> HOw do you make a change in refresh rate stick in ubuntu?  If I change it, the change is lost when I log out?  What gives?  Why is there  a tool do this if the tool doesn't work?
[04:32] <humbraro> iirc, you need to get the maps separately for the download version
[04:32] <geneo93> bassinboy:  i'd do a dist-upgrade if i were you
[04:32] <humbraro> i could be totally wrong though - been awhile since i played quake
[04:32] <bassinboy> geneo93: out of blank CDs
[04:32] <othernoob> nickrud: isnt it /join, in windows too ?
[04:33] <othernoob> nickrud last time i used mirc it was
[04:33] <lampshade> it is
[04:33] <nickrud> othernoob, if you knew how long it took me to break the \ habit
[04:33] <slashdot89> hello
[04:33] <slashdot89> I need some help with ubuntu hoary
[04:33] <bassinboy> othernoob: yes :P, but in general, windows uses \ and not / ...... like C:\thisfolder\sucks\
[04:33] <othernoob> lol
[04:33] <slashdot89> It never asked me for the root password
[04:33] <slashdot89> what is the root password?
[04:33] <othernoob> slashdot thats normal
[04:34] <slashdot89> how do I give it one?
[04:34] <slashdot89> o
[04:34] <humbraro> slashdot89, its normal, use sudo
[04:34] <bassinboy> your user password
[04:34] <slashdot89> o ok
[04:34] <slashdot89> so I just do a sudo su, then what do I do to change it?
[04:34] <Mosi> othernoob: no flash plugin, i'm running on Live CD
[04:34] <geneo93> bassinboy:  just add the universe and mutiuniverse repositories to synaptic change them to hoary and update then dist-upgrade
[04:34] <humbraro> slashdot89, 'sudo command', then enter your user passwd
[04:34] <othernoob> slashdot89 you can enable the root account though, not sure how though
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo su root
[04:34] <sproingie> bassinboy: actually windows uses / internally.  the shell and explorer actually go out of their way to make sure only \ work
[04:34] <bassinboy> geneo93: there is no way to upgrade to warty without installing it to a CD righT?
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sudo passwd root
[04:34] <bassinboy> geneo93: sorry :P
[04:35] <sproingie> bassinboy: blame CP/M.  or as i like to call it, CP\M
[04:35] <slashdot89> alright thanx
[04:35] <slashdot89> I
[04:35] <slashdot89> I'll try that
[04:35] <slashdot89> later
[04:35] <nickrud> slash_, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:35] <othernoob> Mosi: :/ that sucks, save the link, you'll like it, i'm sure :)
[04:35] <lampshade> Anyone use the built in tool to change refresh rate?  How do yo make it stick?  My changes are lost whenever I logout?
[04:35] <othernoob> nickrud: what is it with these people nowadays ?
[04:35] <geneo93> yes i just told you how
[04:35] <humbraro> dang, ask a question, then just take off
[04:35] <bassinboy> sproingie: sorry, i knew it was kinky, been a while since i have looked at a windows machine
[04:36] <nickrud> othernoob, nothing, they're just people :)
[04:36] <sproingie> bassinboy: windows (since NT) is kind of tragic.  there's actually a good OS screaming to get out
[04:36] <sproingie> bassinboy: not to be confused with the win9x line, which had the misshapen spawn of cthulu screaming in hoary tongues to get out
[04:37] <humbraro> hehe
[04:37] <sproingie> . o O ( hey i used hoary in the lovecraft sense )
[04:37] <bassinboy> geneo93: mutiuniverse? never seen that one
[04:37] <nickrud> sproingie, a well crafted sentence :)
[04:37] <geneo93> hell i've converted 3 ppl this week from xp to ubuntu
[04:37] <sproingie> xp to linux anyway
[04:38] <geneo93> ok restricted then bassinboy
[04:38] <sproingie> need to learn it for work
[04:38] <humbraro> i've converted tons of people from nt/2k server to linux - no desktops though
[04:38] <bassinboy> geneo93: can i have your sources? heh
[04:38] <nickrud> sproingie, supposedly selinux is a baseline goal for breezy, we can hope
[04:38] <sproingie> too bad because "ubuntu" is really fun to say
[04:38] <bassinboy> geneo93: main restricted and universe? i update and then run what?
[04:39] <geneo93> bassinboy:  boy there is a wiki that tells how
[04:39] <sproingie> nickrud: that would be a big jump from debian, which seems unlikely to ever make it standard
[04:39] <bassinboy> *shrugs*
[04:40] <sproingie> i made the mistake of going straight to breezy.
[04:40] <geneo93> oh in synaptic settings repositories change them from warty to hoary
[04:40] <nickrud> sproingie, yeah, and I bit my tongue after saying that, I can be a parrot
[04:40] <nickrud> sproingie, selinux is more than I need right now
[04:40] <geneo93> in the dist box
[04:40] <sproingie> my system is basically stuck and not upgradeable now because of cross-package dependency breakage
[04:40] <bassinboy> geneo93: did that
[04:40] <sproingie> but at least it wor-
[04:40] <DonL> humbraro, sorry, had to go deal with something. The copy I have is a bought version
[04:40] <bassinboy> geneo93: can i click "mark all upgrades" ?
[04:40] <nickrud> sproingie, play with aptitude, I had fun during the c102 transition
[04:41] <humbraro> DonL, cool - i cant help with the store version as i've never used it
[04:41] <othernoob> anyway, night :)
[04:41] <geneo93> ok do an sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in terminal
[04:41] <sproingie> nickrud: believe me, i've played with aptitude.  it won't play nice
[04:41] <DonL> Thanks anyway. It worked up until this new version of Ubuntu. I suspect Xorg
[04:42] <nickrud> sproingie, I am in love with aptitude, I kept the same machine working under unstable for years with it.
[04:42] <bassinboy> geneo93: so warty to hoary actually works?
[04:42] <nickrud> sproingie, but, it you
[04:42] <sproingie> nickrud: glad to see another fan.  synaptic is overrated, aptitude is what dselect should have been
[04:43] <humbraro> bassinboy, warty-->hoary worked here no problem
[04:43] <DonL> bassinboy,  get on the wikis and do what they say. I had no problem
[04:43] <bassinboy> Col
[04:43] <geneo93> yes bassinboy
[04:43] <humbraro> actually fixed an issue or 2
[04:43] <bassinboy> cool rather
[04:43] <sproingie> nickrud: i use aptitude quite happily under sid.  i just misunderstood ubuntu's development model and assumed breezy was just like sid
[04:43] <nickrud> synaptic is so much better than it was, but being able to do, for exampel l~c is empowering
[04:43] <sproingie> turns out it's more like experimental and then becomes more like sid eventually
[04:44] <eater773> anybody.... why remount command not found... coz' i want to read write on floppy...
[04:44] <nickrud> sproingie, lol, you were had :)
[04:44] <geneo93> bassinboy:  i've seen ppl upgrade fron sarge
[04:44] <bassinboy> wow
[04:44] <sproingie> nickrud: i think i'll stick to hoary and use backports
[04:44] <Amaranth> backports are evil
[04:44] <eater773> command is : mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/fd0
[04:44] <geneo93> s/fron/from
[04:44] <sproingie> Amaranth: you forgot the prefix "necessary"
[04:45] <nickrud> sproingie, i'm content with hoary right now, and, since I've never had a 'stable' debian system, I'm kinda luxuriating
[04:45] <Amaranth> sproingie: Get your new app fix but not be able to upgrade to breezy. Good choice.
[04:45] <sproingie> Amaranth: i don't need a "new app fix", i need an app that neither hoary nor breezy provide
[04:45] <sproingie> Amaranth: i fail to see how THAT would block anything
[04:45] <Amaranth> that won't
[04:46] <DonL> I need some stability, and I've got Hoary working fairly well now, so I'll stay with it
[04:46] <geneo93> nickrud:  you too
[04:46] <sproingie> it's not like i'm crazy enough to sync everything with backports.  backports have no integration plan
[04:46] <nickrud> geneo93, yeah, and, suprisingly, since I have always need the 'next app fix', happy
[04:46] <lampshade> Anyone use the built in tool to change refresh rate?  How do yo make it stick?  My changes are lost whenever I logout?   Thanks for the chat!
[04:48] <eater773> anybody.... why remount command not found... coz' i want to read write on floppy...
[04:48] <r0d> with apt-get is their a search switch? I'm coming from gentoo and i'm spoiled w/ portage
[04:48] <humbraro> eater773, man mount - there's a remount option
[04:48] <Amaranth> r0d: apt-cache search foo
[04:49] <humbraro> something like mount -remount /mnt/whatever
[04:49] <r0d> i quit gentoo on my 64bit arch because its very unstable
[04:49] <geneo93> sproingie:  why do you need something thats always broken
[04:49] <humbraro> jeez, hoary is bleeding edge for me, i came from slackware
[04:49] <r0d> ubun was a dream compared too gentoo
[04:50] <bassinboy> sproingie: hah, bleh, i love gentoo
[04:50] <nickrud> geneo93, because he programs, and we use
[04:50] <r0d> the 32bit gentoo is good, just their 64 needs some more apps
[04:50] <Acer> so uh
[04:50] <bassinboy> r0d: i USE="~amd64"
[04:50] <bassinboy> lol
[04:50] <Acer> where'd the name "ubuntu" come from
[04:51] <crimsun_> Acer: info on the web page
[04:51] <bassinboy> it says on the freakin cd's doesn't it? humanity to other? lol
[04:51] <r0d> bassinboy, different from march?
[04:51] <bassinboy> r0d: huh?
[04:51] <geneo93> nickrud:  well in that case then why not install it to opt then
[04:51] <r0d> one sec
[04:51] <Acer> haha wow
[04:51] <Acer> i can't believe i missed that
[04:51] <Acer> bold print, first thing on the main page
[04:51] <Acer> I must be going blind or something.
[04:52] <nickrud> geneo93, not everything plays well
[04:52] <kakalto> hi guys, I
[04:52] <r0d> i forget my USE="" parameter
[04:52] <kakalto> am installing a modem
[04:52] <r0d> its like march......
[04:52] <kakalto> I have the driver installed
[04:52] <kakalto> but when I run wvdial, there's no default config file
[04:52] <kakalto> how do I create a config file?
[04:52] <r0d> its the default for amd and it was kicking my ass
[04:52] <bassinboy> r0d: march is in cflags
[04:52] <nickrud> geneo93, which is why I stopped trying to be a cutting edge compiler, and became a satisfied user
[04:52] <r0d> !
[04:53] <bassinboy> r0d: *shrugs*.. lemme mount my gentoo partition
[04:53] <ka24> kakalto: long, long, long time since i used a modem.. but i think the command to generate a config was wvdialconf or something like that
[04:53] <ka24> check the manual
[04:53] <kakalto> thanks, ka24
[04:53] <sproingie> geneo93: i like a lot about the idea of gentoo, but the execution i have found lacking
[04:54] <nickrud> kakalto, try pppconfig, and pon/poff, its the 'debian' way
[04:54] <humbraro> i might try gentoo again once they get a real installer
[04:54] <r0d> maybe, I havent looked back for awhile I'm sure its just my mind is slipping
[04:54] <geneo93> well if i what to try cutting edge stuff anymore i install to opt
[04:54] <r0d> humbraro,  i learned alot from linux by installing gentoo
[04:54] <bassinboy> r0d: CFLAGS="-march=athlon64
[04:54] <r0d> i think its kool they make you do so much, but i guess it does get boring
[04:54] <humbraro> r0d, me too, i just don't need to be that cool anymore :)
[04:55] <r0d> yea
[04:55] <r0d> bassinboy, i have CFLAGS="march=k8"
[04:55] <r0d> which was their be default
[04:55] <r0d> so i left...errr
[04:55] <humbraro> personally, i've gotten enough knowledge over the last few years that i just want something that *works*, no hassle, no fuss
[04:56] <bassinboy> r0d: oh, it doesn't matter really, but you might want it -march and not march
[04:56] <r0d> well im a noob so i thought it was good for me. i can see where it would suck then
[04:56] <humbraro> so far, ubuntu is the best desktop for that and slack still rules the servers, imho
[04:56] <nickrud> mind you, it there weren't people who didn't want to be the cutting edge, I would be ass out.
[04:56] <AnObfuscator> humb: yeah, I'm migrating my *mom* to ubuntu next week.
[04:56] <r0d> i dont know about apt-get though. emerge feels better
[04:56] <AnObfuscator> it's that nice.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> kakalto: if this is a serial external modem, use ` sudo pppconfig` : it's much esier than wvdial and works well. Also make sure your user is in the dialout and dip groups
[04:56] <geneo93> the idea is to have a working system out of the box and use it not fix it all the time
[04:57] <bassinboy> r0d: indeed, portage (emerge) is the best of the best
[04:57] <humbraro> AnObfuscator, thats a good idea :) i'm sick of cleaning my mom's spyware and viruses
[04:57] <r0d> emerge makes the installation process worth it
[04:57] <r0d> but ubuntu was SO easy to install and found more hardware then gentoo
[04:57] <humbraro> i'd have to agree that emerge is pretty cool
[04:57] <AnObfuscator> humb: the other night, she found out she had a virus... I told her that I would fix it in the morning, but instead she did a google search for "spyware removal tool" and downloaded and installed EVERYTHING she found. :P
[04:58] <kakalto> thoreauputic, then how do I dial
[04:58] <kakalto> ?
[04:58] <AnObfuscator> I'm so looking forward to her using Linux. :)
[04:58] <kakalto> If I have configured successfully under pppconfig?
[04:58] <humbraro> sounds like a re-install to me, might as well be ubuntu
[04:58] <bassinboy> r0d: yeah, lets say gaim takes about 5 minutes to compile, but it's worth it, it has crashed on me like, once, in a year or so. and i use unstable
[04:58] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you just type `pon` in a terminal, `poff` to disconnect
[04:58] <r0d> is their an option to not use the "gen-kern" type kernel from the installation scripts?
[04:58] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: some people lack that healthy sense of skepticism
[04:58] <bassinboy> r0d: lol, you comfigure your own hardware on gentoo ;)
[04:59] <r0d> besides that, lol
[04:59] <AnObfuscator> spro: indeed.
[04:59] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you van connect those commands to launchers if you want to click instead
[04:59] <r0d> i was hoping somewhere earlier
[04:59] <bassinboy> r0d: Yes, you must have used stage3? ewww...
[04:59] <nickrud> geneo93, there are issues for a free os, and they are pretty much dealt with by http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:59] <kakalto> thoreauputic, it doesn't dial properly
[04:59] <r0d> lol no
[04:59] <r0d> gimme me some credit
[04:59] <AnObfuscator> Hey, I need some advice on filesystems...
[04:59] <r0d> i sure the hell didnt do stage1 though
[04:59] <bassinboy> r0d: did you go by the 2005.0 handbook ?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> kakalto: have you done the config steps?
[04:59] <r0d> yea
[04:59] <kakalto> I do "pon", it runs it... then it gets to the dialtone, but stays on 1 tone, it doesn't actually dial
[05:00] <kakalto> config steps?
[05:00] <r0d> gentoo was my first linux os
[05:00] <sproingie> ubuntu may not "officially" do binary drivers, but getting the ATI 3d driver working was dead simple
[05:00] <kakalto> r0d, me too :DD
[05:00] <humbraro> stage 1 isn't that hard, just time consuming
[05:00] <thoreauputic> kakalto: when you run pppconfig, does it find the modem?
[05:00] <kakalto> thoreauputic, what config steps?
[05:00] <kakalto> hang on
[05:00] <r0d> im about 3 months in linux. havent looked back to the windows world
[05:00] <bassinboy> r0d: i haven't really read that one but i know it isn't that good, it is more easy and fast, but the other ones show you how to build your own kernel, which are more personal and a lot faster
[05:01] <sproingie> needed a pointer to a little trick, which was to move away some wayward nvidia module, but it worked like a charm after
[05:01] <AnObfuscator> I'm trying to make a hermaphroditic powerbook that's half-ubuntu, half OS X, so I'm going to have a 15 gig OS X partition, 10 gig Linux, and a 30+ gig "shared" partition that I'll use for bulk storage (mp3's, pictures, etc.)
[05:01] <mpm> Can anyone please tell me what service/daemon app I can load in XFCE to get the hotplug automagical mounting of a digicam-cardreader via a firewire interface?
[05:01] <g14> Does anyone know if breezy will have ZeroConf support via howl in main?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you might need to tell pppconfig which serial port you use, like /dev/ttyS0
[05:01] <r0d> kool bassinboy. so you guys do stage1 images on gentoo? that must take FOREVER
[05:01] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: hermaphroditic?  which is which ... on second thought i dont think i want to know
[05:01] <g14> mpm: xfce doesn't have anything like that. Gnome uses gnome-volume-manager
[05:01] <AnObfuscator> I'm trying to figure out, what's the best filesystem to use for the shared partition?
[05:01] <kakalto> thoreauputic, yeah, it finds the modem...
[05:02] <AnObfuscator> spro: heheh, don't think about it too much. ;)
[05:02] <humbraro> AnObfuscator, i'll get flamed for saying this, but fat32 seems kind of obvious
[05:02] <slackd00d> were can i find a list of mirrors for apt
[05:02] <AnObfuscator> humb: for OSX?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> kakalto: can you connect with ` sudo pon` ?
[05:02] <geneo93> AnObfuscator:  fat32
[05:02] <kakalto> no
[05:02] <humbraro> cant OSX read fat32?
[05:02] <bassinboy> r0d: g2g, if you want to chat, my channel is #gentoo-texas ......... and stage one takes a few hours on athlon 64, and i have 1 gig dual chan memory
[05:02] <kakalto> because it doesn't actually dial the number
[05:02] <AnObfuscator> yes, it does.
[05:02] <thoreauputic> kakalto: if so, you have probably not added your user to dialout and dip
[05:03] <r0d> ok kool bassinboy
[05:03] <kakalto> to dialout and dip?
[05:03] <kakalto> how do I do that?
[05:03] <humbraro> if you're not worried about permissions or security on the shared partition, then fat32 would work
[05:03] <kakalto> those are groups, yes?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you entered the number without spaces, right?
[05:03] <kakalto> yup
[05:03] <AnObfuscator> better than ext2?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> kakalto: yes, those are groups
[05:03] <sproingie> permissions, security, or performance
[05:03] <nickrud> kakalto, yes, adduser <username> group, then log out and back in
[05:04] <humbraro> if you are, i *believe* OSX can read ext3, but i'd have to look it up to be sure
[05:04] <AnObfuscator> I'm most worried about data integrity.
[05:04] <nickrud> kakalto, groups will tell what groups you already belong to
[05:04] <humbraro> well, thats what backups are for, but haven't had a prob with fat32 blowing up in years
[05:04] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: between what OSes are you sharing the partition?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> kakalto: or use the graphical gnome tool for adding users to groups: but t o take effect you need to logout/login
[05:05] <AnObfuscator> because it's stuff that's *bulk* -- video, pictures, mp3's -- it's hard to back up. Crimsun: OSX and Ubuntu.
[05:05] <sproingie> if fat32 blows up, just about anything can fix it, since i think it has wholly redundant FATS
[05:05] <humbraro> sproingie, good point
[05:05] <geneo93> AnObfuscator:  if it not atached to windows its not worry
[05:05] <sproingie> i can never remember how much redundancy is in there
[05:06] <sproingie> but it's such a simple FS that it's easily repairable
[05:06] <jasoncohen> what source would i use for mplayer and acrobat on ubuntu? Can i use marillat?
[05:06] <AnObfuscator> right.
[05:06] <AnObfuscator> and linux writes reliably to F32?
[05:06] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: seamlessly.  no owners or permissions of course
[05:06] <humbraro> linux does fine on f32
[05:06] <humbraro> hell, you can use a swap-file in it if you want
[05:07] <AnObfuscator> well, it'd be ownerless, permissionless stuff, anyway.
[05:07] <geneo93> AnObfuscator:  i've had the same fat32 partition for 6 years and never had problems with it
[05:07] <Mosi> Anyone familiar with Bootstrap?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats but I believe mplayer is available in multiverse
[05:08] <jasoncohen> thanks
[05:08] <AnObfuscator> lol, you guys are really starting to make sense. and I hadn't even THOUGHT about using Fat32 before.
[05:08] <jasoncohen> anyone run mythtv on ubuntu?
[05:08] <jasoncohen> i installed it on debian testing
[05:08] <nickrud> lol, I use xchat because I know nothing
[05:08] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: it's really a lowest common denominator sort of thing
[05:08] <biovore> kvirc 3.2 -- nice irc client for kde
[05:09] <sproingie> tho lots of FLASH storage systems use FAT.  mostly because they don't need anything else
[05:09] <jasoncohen> lol, why would one write to fat32 if they had a choice?
[05:09] <jasoncohen> other than for flash (usb key) etc.
[05:09] <jasoncohen> fat32 is slow
[05:09] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: I'd use ext3, personally
[05:09] <sproingie> yes it is, but compared to flash write access, it's fast enough
[05:09] <nickrud> jasoncohen, becuz my bosses are clueless
[05:09] <thoreauputic> fat32 has fragmentation problems and doesn't support permissions etc
[05:10] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  because i have other oses on this box
[05:10] <AnObfuscator> I don't care about permissions for this partition.
[05:10] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: read the "Mounting the Mac OS X HFS+ Partition" section on http://linux.sys-con.com/read/47809.htm
[05:10] <AnObfuscator> oh, thanks.
[05:10] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: note 'ext2fsx'
[05:11] <AnObfuscator> right, I've got that, and I was also thinking about ext2.
[05:11] <jasoncohen> does any ubuntu source have acrorbat reader 7?
[05:11] <jasoncohen> acrobat even
[05:11] <kakalto> guys, the modem doesn't work...
[05:11] <Mosi> Crimsun: do you know anything about bootstrap and yaboot? i'm having boot loader problems on a mac OS X box
[05:11] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Why use acroread when you have gpdf and/or evince?
[05:11] <kakalto> it's as if it's engaged
[05:11] <thoreauputic> crimsun: what connections do I need to make freepats/timidity work as a soft synth server for rosegarden? I kind of have it working with kmid, but rosegarden remains silent...
[05:12] <geneo93> i cant write to ext2 with beos so i use fat32
[05:12] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, because acrobat is simply better and it integrates with firefox well.
[05:12] <nickrud> kakalto, is it internal or external, and have you already check it's not a winmodem
[05:12] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: You've used it on linux?
[05:12] <AnObfuscator> I'm kinda curious about journaling, though: if OSX, say, is journaling the drive, and then linux makes a change, will OSX freak out and think the data got currupted?
[05:12] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i use pdfs all the time for school and many look like crap in kpdf, kghostview, xpdfy, gpdf etc.
[05:12] <AnObfuscator> er, corrupted
[05:12] <thoreauputic> crimsun: kmid appears to use 128:0 as a port, but I can't see how to enable that with rosegarden for midi playback
[05:12] <AnObfuscator> Geneo93: which version of BeOS do you use?
[05:12] <jasoncohen> believe me i've tried every damn pdf program and i'm sorry to say acrobat is far better
[05:12] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, yes, i use linux on all my machines
[05:12] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: both OS's aren't going to mount the same partition at the same time
[05:13] <kakalto> nickrud, it's internal and sort-of winmodem. But I installed the driver using scanModem
[05:13] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: the kernel driver of the host OS always has precedence
[05:13] <wesw> Amaranth, I'm late to conversation, but Acrobat 7 on linux is pretty good and required for some newer documents
[05:13] <geneo93> dano and R5
[05:13] <crimsun> AnObfuscator: you shouldn't experience any such problems
[05:13] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, currently running Mandriva 2005 on my mythtv/fileserver/ssh/vpn server and debian testing on my laptop
[05:13] <AnObfuscator> ok.
[05:13] <Amaranth> Well, I don't think hoary has acroread 7, it came out too late.
[05:13] <nickrud> kakalto, heh, I've got an internal, but it's old school. I've used a couple of such
[05:14] <jasoncohen> yeah, marillat (an unofficial source) has it for debian
[05:14] <kakalto> lucky you.
[05:14] <sproingie> AnObfuscator: having a partition open for write by two OS's at once (i.e. with virtualization) is a disaster begging to happen
[05:14] <Shingo--> Hi, I have a problem in Ubuntu, I want to help to solve the problem. what channel I have to go talk about the problem?
[05:14] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[05:14] <kakalto> mine isn't
[05:14] <jasoncohen> as well as acroread-plugins and mozilla-acroread
[05:14] <Burgundavia> wesw, and it contains spyware
[05:14] <crimsun> Shingo--: you're in the right place
[05:14] <Burgundavia> evince is nicer and faster
[05:14] <nickrud> kakalto, I do kiss my zoom, now and then
[05:14] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Some not so bright people use marillat with ubuntu.
[05:14] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, heh
[05:14] <crimsun> Mosi: unfortunately I'm not well-versed in yaboot
[05:14] <wesw> Burgundavia, like how?
[05:15] <Mosi> crimsun: thanks anyways
[05:15] <jasoncohen> does evince even integrate with mozilla?
[05:15] <AnObfuscator> sproingie: well, they wouldn't both be writing at once, so I'm not so worried. :)
[05:15] <Mosi> Anyone familiar with yaboot and bootstrap?
[05:15] <Burgundavia> wesw, http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/
[05:16] <crimsun> thoreauputic: tried fluidsynth?
[05:16] <Shingo--> crimsun: thank you, the package bluez-util has dependencies from dbus-1 in bleeze dbus-1 is obsolete.
[05:16] <Shingo--> what can I do?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> crimsun: yes, without success so far
[05:17] <crimsun> Shingo--: bleeze -> breezy?
[05:17] <Shingo--> sorry.
[05:17] <admrl_> does anyone know where i can learn about the afterstep window manager..?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> crimsun: but I need a soundfont for it I guess: what I'm trying to understand is how the connections to my virtual midi device are made ( aconnect etc)
[05:17] <mpm> g14: how would you go about mounting that firewire cardreader I mentioned in xfce without the gnome-volume-manager?  I could just invoke that utility without starting gnome couldn't i?
[05:18] <crimsun> admrl_: afterstep.org
[05:18] <humbraro> admrl_, you mean other than www.afterstep.org?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> crimsun: tried jackd as well, but I don't understand it properly
[05:18] <admrl_> yep
[05:18] <Shingo--> crimsun: the bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11004
[05:18] <wesw> Burgundavia, thanks, added remoteapproach.com to my firewall blocklist.  done.
[05:19] <Cybermagellan> finally got my Ubuntu disk YAY!
[05:19] <jasoncohen> will ubuntu recognize my XFS LVM2 partition?
[05:19] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  i think you need mm kernel for jackd
[05:19] <crimsun> geneo93: for what extension?
[05:19] <crimsun> (jackd will run fine on stock Ubuntu)
[05:19] <thoreauputic> geneo93: it seems to run OK, but roesgarden remains obstinately silent
[05:20] <nickrud> Amaranth, do you have a pointer I can hand out for mplayer not from mallirat
[05:20] <Amaranth> wesw: By using acroread 7 at all you're saying spyware in linux is ok
[05:20] <admrl_> i havnt found alot on afterstep.org that can help me i want to put new icons on the desktop and change the images on them
[05:20] <thoreauputic> *rosegarden4
[05:20] <geneo93> crimsun:  low level sound
[05:20] <Amaranth> nickrud: hoary has mplayer
[05:20] <wesw> jasoncohen, i don't know specifically on XFS LVM2, but I use XFS as my ubuntu primary partitions
[05:20] <crimsun> geneo93: meaning?
[05:20] <geneo93> i could never get rosegarden to work in any distro
[05:21] <wesw> amaranth, not okay, just give the other .pdf devs time to make their progs compliant with the other new features in acrobat
[05:21] <Laforge> deuce868 are you here?
[05:21] <geneo93> crimsun:  the daimon just wont start
[05:21] <crimsun> thoreauputic: have you checked out the top midi links on alsa.opensrc.org?
[05:21] <thoreauputic> geneo93: what do use for notation and playback?
[05:21] <admrl_> all the information i find is wrong
[05:21] <thoreauputic> crimsun: no, will do - thanks
[05:22] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I've done much googling, but all the docs I've found are incomprehensible ;-)
[05:23] <danko123456> thoreauputic: in english?
[05:23] <geneo93> thoreauputic: timidity
[05:23] <humbraro> admrl_, try asking on #afterstep
[05:23] <humbraro> admrl_, they also have a mailing list
[05:23] <thoreauputic> geneo93: I have timidity working: that isn't my issue
[05:24] <Amaranth> wesw: One feature acroread has that the other won't is the ability to submit forms
[05:24] <thoreauputic> geneo93: ah, I see - you use timidity for notation too?
[05:24] <jasoncohen> ubuntu sees all my lvm groups but it shows them seperately rather than as one partition
[05:24] <g14> mpm: My "solution" was more of a hack but it worked well. If you want, I'll show you
[05:24] <gabacho> Hello..I am new to Ubuntu.  Where can I see a listing of what apps are in the apt-get repository?
[05:24] <jasoncohen> i have about 5 or 6 groups that make up a 400 GB LVM partition spanning 4 HDs
[05:24] <Amaranth> wesw: Since that is the feature remote approach uses to phone home
[05:24] <crimsun> gabacho: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <gabacho> crimsun...thx
[05:24] <mpm> please g14
[05:24] <Chipparn> i have downloaded Azureus<IP_ADDRESS>.jar.. how do i start a jar file?
[05:25] <wesw> amaranth, and some of the security 'features' that simply won't open in other .pdf programs, depending on your source document
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> java filename.jar?
[05:25] <crimsun> Chipparn: java -jar foo.jar
[05:26] <haydenTNG> what are good apps to have on a linux server/
[05:26] <g14> mpm: It involves using nautilus to display the desktop and gnome-volume-manager to do hotplug
[05:26] <Laforge> Ok well i have trouble getting internet on Ubuntu
[05:26] <g14> mpm, First, you need to make the autostart directory and keep it from showing up on your desktop mkdir -p ~/Desktop/Autostart && echo Autostart > ~/Desktop/.hidden
[05:26] <thoreauputic> crimsun: do you happen to know if #ubuntu is still going to be moved to another server (ref: UDU wiki) ?
[05:27] <Mosi> this is kind of a stupdi question, but on non-PPC boxes, what bootloader does ubuntu use?
[05:27] <jasoncohen> what's the package to install on ubuntu to get KDE?
[05:27] <Chipparn> crimsun: thanks.. and if i want to make it run by clicking it?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Mosi: grub
[05:27] <crimsun> thoreauputic: I don't know offhand, but when there's more concrete information, it will be available publicly
[05:27] <Mosi> Thoreaputic: Thanks
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Mosi: although in theory you could use lilo if you prefer it
[05:28] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  kde
[05:28] <AnObfuscator> hmmm. Airport extreme doesn't work *period*, or only works at 11b speeds?
[05:28] <danko123456> period
[05:28] <Laforge> I don't know how to set it up and when installed it said that it couldn't detect a card
[05:28] <jasoncohen> i thought it was ubuntu-desktop or something similar
[05:28] <g14> mpm: Make the script ~/Desktop/Autostart/nautilus and make it contain this: http://pastebin.com/287292
[05:28] <jasoncohen> i guess ubuntu has a kde metapackage like debian
[05:29] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OK, thanks
[05:29] <g14> mpm: Thats pretty much it
[05:29] <g14> mpm: Make sense?
[05:29] <mpm> thanks a lot g14 i'm workin' on it
[05:29] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  if you what to keep gnome just do sudo apt-get install kde
[05:30] <jasoncohen> ok
[05:30] <g14> mpm: There is one known problem that I think I know how to fix
[05:31] <thoreauputic> geneo93, jasoncohen, I installed kubuntu-desktop and it works fine
[05:32] <jasoncohen> damn that was a fast install
[05:32] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: kubuntu-desktop is the metapackage you want
[05:32] <jasoncohen> ok
[05:32] <geneo93> why would you want kdm to screww up gdm
[05:32] <thoreauputic> geneo93: it doesn't
[05:32] <danko123456> geneo93: it will be fine...
[05:33] <thoreauputic> geneo93: you get asked which dm you want
[05:33] <g14> mpm: There are issues with logging out and xfce not killing all of the things it should before switching back to gdm. Something to do with the session manager
[05:33] <geneo93> sure does
[05:33] <geneo93> ok did
[05:33] <thoreauputic> geneo93: I have KDE and gnome, and I use gdm no problems
[05:33] <g14> mpm: If you logout and then login as a different user, it might not load nautilus right because doing that messed with the session. You might run nautilus -n with --sm-disable also
[05:34] <geneo93> well i use gdm also
[05:34] <jasoncohen> lol, well grub didn't work too well. i get a kernel panic going into mdk
[05:34] <geneo93> but kdm is much nicer
[05:34] <mpm> g14: so in that script add those flags?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> geneo93: did you use the kubuntu-desktop metapackage to install KDE ?
[05:35] <SeamusLT> anyone here have trouble with backspace in screen on ubuntu hoary?
[05:35] <humbraro> anybody here know a good rtfm or stfw on using xdmcp over ssl?  i cant find any good docs out there
[05:35] <g14> mpm: Add --sm-disable to the end of nautilus and to gnome-volume-manager. I've never tried that but it might work. It's worth a shot so tell me if it does
[05:36] <sadjester> is it possible to use the debian sites for packages?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> sadjester: not recommended
[05:37] <nickrud> sadjester, my one attempt did fail
[05:37] <geneo93> sadjester:  if you want broken system
[05:37] <danko123456> SeamusLT: can you rephrase?
[05:37] <nickrud> not done yet, I abhore hpoj
[05:38] <sadjester> hrm
[05:38] <JDahl> sadjester, it should be possible to mix it
[05:38] <sadjester> okay, cause ubuntu severely lacks most dev apps
[05:38] <danko123456> humbraro: rtfm, stfw...
[05:38] <danko123456> :)
[05:38] <jasoncohen> so there's a hoary main universe multiverse restricted and a hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted?
[05:38] <JDahl> sadjester, with simple packages preferably
[05:38] <sadjester> well, like anjuta, some others, xemacs
[05:38] <sadjester> i don't really want to build them all from src...
[05:38] <nickrud> JDahl, lol, the easy packages are already done
[05:38] <JDahl> sadjester, xemacs is in universe
[05:39] <g14> I like eclipse
[05:39] <sadjester> ok, i need to edit my sources list
[05:39] <sadjester> gl4: i sorry
[05:39] <humbraro> danko123456, hehe
[05:39] <sadjester> gl4: eclipse as in the java ide?
[05:39] <whyameye> anybody know how to get Pure Data working? I'm getting errors about Alsa...
[05:39] <AnObfuscator> But isn't Ubuntu basically a cleaned-up debian...? so why won't a debian package run on Ubuntu?
[05:39] <danko123456> sadjester: there is an anjuta in my synaptic.
[05:40] <g14> sadjester: eclipse as in the java ide that does most popular programming languages and has autocomplete for python. Search for pydev :)
[05:40] <thoreauputic> AnObfuscator: some will, but some will have library mismatches
[05:40] <JDahl> AnObfuscator, you're right, in principle they should
[05:40] <sadjester> well, they have different dependency setups in a lot of cases i guess
[05:40] <whyameye> specifically, when trying to run Pure Data, I get "ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[05:40] <whyameye> "
[05:40] <sadjester> ok, anjuta is in universe
[05:40] <g14> AnObfuscator: Debian has very old packages whereas ubuntu has alot of newer stuff. Example being ubuntu switched to xorg where debian did not
[05:41] <Laforge> Anyone know how to setup a network?
[05:41] <sadjester> debian isn't xorg yet?
[05:41] <sadjester> or at least experimental
[05:41] <humbraro> Laforge, whats your question?
[05:42] <Laforge> ok well i was setting up my machine
[05:42] <thoreauputic> whyameye: does your sound card support wavetable/midi etc? If not you will need a sot-syth and to modprobe some modules
[05:42] <g14> Someone feel free to correct me, but I read on some mailinglist about talk of debian including the ubuntu xorg packages once sarge is released and the new unstable comes out
[05:42] <Laforge> then i get a box that says the netwoks cannot be set up
[05:42] <thoreauputic> *soft-synt
[05:42] <Laforge> I don't know how to manually set one
[05:42] <thoreauputic> bah
[05:42] <whyameye> thoreaputic: I doubt my sound card supports anything. Are there packages I can download to address these issues?
[05:43] <danko123456> wow, I just logged into afterstep after that one guy asked a question about it...and, you can move from one workspace to another by putting the mouse to the side where the other workspace is, so, like, you can go up down, left right...
[05:43] <thoreauputic> whyameye: yes, sort of: it gets a bit hairy
[05:43] <whyameye> thoreauputic: why would I need a soft synth for just audio in and out with Pd?
[05:43] <incubii> i prefer the scroll wheel way that fluxbox uses for workspaces
[05:43] <humbraro> Laforge, is it safe to assume you know nothing about networking?
[05:43] <g14> danko123456: Enlightenment has done that for years, and with pretty scroll effects
[05:43] <thoreauputic> whyameye: I don't know - but you seem to be missing a sequencer at least
[05:43] <nickrud> Amaranth, on further investigation, I have discovered I am using the hoary mplayer, and heh
[05:44] <whyameye> thoreauputic: why do you say I am missing a sequencer? Pd doesn't need one. In fact, Pd is often used as one.
[05:44] <Laforge> humbraro very little
[05:44] <humbraro> Laforge, ok, wasn't trying to sound like  a dick, but your network seems to be up, since your talking on this channel
[05:44] <Laforge> humbraro, this is my normal computer
[05:45] <thoreauputic> whyameye: it can't find it? according to the error you posted?
[05:45] <danko123456> hah, well, that much he has to know,...
[05:45] <Laforge> humbraro, i set up ubuntu on a different computer
[05:45] <humbraro> Laforge, ok, on the ubuntu box...
[05:45] <mpm> g14 so I got it set up like you said; how do I err activate it?
[05:45] <danko123456> laforge, are you on DHCP, like cable internet?
[05:45] <Laforge> humbraro, yes
[05:45] <whyameye> thoreauputic: oh I see. so the seq in /dev/snd/seq stands for sequencer, huh?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> whyameye: possibly loading the snd_seq modules would be enough?
[05:45] <humbraro> hit system--->Administration--->Networking
[05:46] <Laforge> humbraro, ok
[05:46] <humbraro> then type in your password
[05:46] <whyameye> thoreauputic: is that just an apt-get install snd_seq?
[05:46] <g14> mpm: Have you made the script executable and logged into your xfce desktop?
[05:46] <Laforge> humbraro, i am in
[05:46] <thoreauputic> whyameye: no, the modules are in the kernel
[05:46] <AnObfuscator> ok, well, I'm off, thanks for your help, guys.
[05:46] <humbraro> ok, do you have an ethernet connection listed?
[05:46] <Laforge> no
[05:46] <humbraro> better question- do you connect through ethernet?
[05:47] <whyameye> thoreauputic: how do I load them? modprobe?
[05:47] <jasoncohen> the first user is the admin, correct?
[05:47] <mpm> g14 yes, did it all from inside xfce and i chmodded it to 777
[05:47] <Laforge> humbraro, yes i connect through ethernet
[05:47] <Laforge> humbraro, but all that is listed is modem
[05:47] <danko123456> jasoncohen: right.
[05:47] <thoreauputic> whyameye: yes, like sudo modprobe snd_seq
[05:47] <g14> mpm: logout and re-login
[05:47] <mpm> k
[05:47] <g14> mpm: chmod it 755
[05:47] <geneo93> jasoncohen:  yes
[05:47] <mpm> ok
[05:47] <thoreauputic> whyameye: and sudo modprobe snd_seq_device  and so on
[05:47] <humbraro> thats odd, if there's anything linux supports *very* well, its network controllers
[05:48] <thoreauputic> whyameye: then if they work as expected, add them to /etc/modules
[05:48] <danko123456> Laforge: are you on cable internet?
[05:48] <humbraro> do you know what kind of ethernet card you have?
[05:48] <Laforge> humbraro, ADMtek
[05:49] <Laforge> danko123456 yes i am on cable
[05:50] <incubii>  hmm @ topic "PLEASE DONT USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY"
[05:50] <incubii> why not
[05:50] <incubii> works fine for me
[05:51] <incubii> :D
[05:51] <whyameye> thoreauputic: thanks. Now we are really close. Pd now loads. I can't hear any sound though. I get "snd_pcm_open (output): Device or resource busy
[05:51] <whyameye> "
[05:51] <daniels> incubii: x is, um, interesting
[05:51] <humbraro> Laforge, i'm sorry, i cant stick around to help :/
[05:51] <Laforge> ok
[05:51] <humbraro> i got to go to the airport
[05:51] <humbraro> laters al
[05:51] <nickrud> incubii, c++ transition, and not  telling us about not upgrading is not fair :)
[05:51] <incubii> lol
[05:51] <whyameye> thoreauptic: actually I'm getting / /dev/dsp (read/write): Device or resource busy
[05:51] <whyameye> (now will try write-only...)
[05:51] <whyameye> /dev/dsp (writeonly): Device or resource busy
[05:51] <incubii> awww come on live on the bleedin edge
[05:51] <thoreauputic> whyameye: try killing anything using the sound card, like esd or arts etc
[05:52] <repete> Anyone know where I can get the some Breezy packages?
[05:52] <repete> I just discovered my wireless card doesn't work with this version of madwifi :-/
[05:52] <nickrud> incubii, experimental, when you haven't learned how to pin, is bleeding edge :)
[05:52] <whyameye> thoreaputic: how do I kill these things? Also, what is arts?  Thanks so much! Now, when I run it, it gives me the choice of OSS or ALSA. If I choose ALSA it doesn't work, but OSS works.  Do I want to bring esd back up when I am done or should I not worry about it? If I need to bring it up, how do I do this?
[05:57] <jasoncohen> i'm getting "failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager" child terminated with 1 status" when i try to run synaptic or update manager
[05:57] <JDahl> Tritis, but I
[05:57] <jasoncohen> but i can do so from terminal
[05:57] <thoreauputic> whyameye: typing esd should do it
[05:57] <nickrud> Tritis, yeah, a lol because it can be a very fun experience, but I'd wait a bit
[05:57] <JDahl> Tritis, I've had to reconfigure a bunch of stuff a couple of times
[05:57] <Tritis> Ok, I just combined count0nz, JDahl,  and nickrud's answers to get yes you can run Breezy lol
[05:57] <Laforge> danko12345, ok well it said no working ethernet card found, asks if i want to run modconf
[05:57] <aaron89> i installed glib-2.6.4 and no I dont know how to remove 2.6.3, how do I do this?
[05:58] <g14> If you want breezy, get the colony 1 cd and don't do any of the updates until they are done transitioning to the new xorg and c++ packages
[05:58] <whyameye> thoreauputic: just one other dumb question. Is there a shortcut to typing peoples names in xchat or do I need to type the name of whoever I am speaking to manually, as I have been?
[05:58] <Tritis> JDahl, ok because in gaim i can't close tabs with ctrl+W anymore and that seems to be the only problem i have, and it isn't too serious.
[05:58] <danko123456> Laforge: can you run modconf?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> whyameye: tab complete
[05:58] <thoreauputic> whyameye: like `thore <tab> `
[05:58] <count0nz> g14, thats what i am doing now as we speak :)
[05:58] <JDahl> Tritis, although I am not sure why I bothered updated... I guess I just love those big dist-upgrade
[05:59] <count0nz> i figure colony-1 whuld be a cleaner base to start with
[05:59] <Mosi> Anyone know if Grub will run on a PPC box?
[05:59] <whyameye> thoreauputic: thanks! I should have thought of that! Anyway, you have been incredibly helpful. Thanks so much!
[05:59] <Laforge> danko12345 let me try
[05:59] <g14> count0nz: Thats what I did and I just couldn't resist trying out beagle
[05:59] <incubii> for PPC you use yaboot or bootX
[05:59] <Tritis> JDahl: I saw somewhere that RC1 was released, so i figured it was good enough to make the 665 meg update.
[05:59] <eater773> anybody... why  i can't read/write on my floppy.... just edited /fstab  to make floppy automatic
[05:59] <Laforge> danko12345, no it says command not found
[05:59] <Mosi> incubii: tell me about bootX
[05:59] <eater773> anybody... why  i can't write on my floppy.... just edited /fstab  to make floppy automatic
[05:59] <Tritis> g14: OH!  thanks!  haha you just reminded me why I did in fact upgrade to breezy.
[05:59] <nickrud> g14, is beagle in the colony disk?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> whyameye: no worries :) Don't forget to add those modules to /etc/modules so they will load on next boot
[06:00] <incubii> i don tknow anything about bootx, but yaboot is just like any other text boot loader
[06:00] <Mosi> eater773: can you paste the contents of your /etc/fstab to www.pastebin.com and send em the link/
[06:00] <aaron89> can anyone tell me how to uninstall glib 2.6.3?
[06:00] <eater773> Mosi--> ok..
[06:00] <nickrud> mono 1.1.x?
[06:00] <Mosi> Incubii: thanks
[06:00] <crimsun> aaron89: err, are you sure you want to do that?
[06:00] <g14> nickrud: I got the newest version from apt. I don't believe so
[06:00] <incubii> it supports multiple OSes too so you can keep OS X on your box
[06:00] <aaron89> crimsun, I installed glib 2.6.4 and not I need to remove 2.6.3 but I don't know how
[06:01] <Mosi> Incubii: I had Yaboot running for a while, but it got wiped when i installed a new version of OS X
[06:01] <crimsun> aaron89: how did you install 2.6.4?
[06:01] <aaron89> compiled
[06:01] <eater773> Mosi --> http://pastebin.com/287301
[06:01] <count0nz> maby 3 breezy box's
[06:01] <crimsun> aaron89: what was broken in 2.6.3 for you?
[06:02] <whyameye> thoreauputic: I just did that! Thanks!
[06:02] <aaron89> i kept getting errors when compiling
[06:02] <nickrud> although, I wonder just where gnome will go
[06:02] <thoreauputic> whyameye: you should be good to go then :) Enjoy!
[06:02] <Mosi> eater773: Looks good to me... what happens if, after the normal mount on boot up, you umount it and remount it manually? same problem?
[06:02] <aaron89> i didn't know ubuntu had 2.6.3 I thought I was just going to install over it and fix the problems
[06:03] <crimsun> aaron89: what sort of errors?
[06:03] <aaron89> test errors
[06:03] <Laforge> danko12345 did you get my last message?
[06:03] <aaron89> i just need to uninstall one of them
[06:03] <whyameye> thoreauputic: nice bonus: This all fixed the problems I was having w/ csound too.
[06:03] <aaron89> either 2.6.4 or 2.6.3 either one
[06:03] <aaron89> i just dont know hwo
[06:03] <aaron89> how*
[06:03] <crimsun> aaron89: I'd uninstall the one you just compiled
[06:03] <aaron89> and I do that by?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> whyameye: cool !
[06:04] <g14> nickrud: How does beagle compare to spotlight? I have wanted to play with that to see which is better
[06:04] <crimsun> aaron89: if you still have the compiled source tree lying about, just sudo make uninstall && sudo ldconfig
[06:04] <eater773> Mosi -> yes .. every new floppy i use mount & remount... floppy can read... but not for saving anyfiles... even it is rw access...
[06:04] <aaron89> that I do
[06:04] <aaron89> ok i try that
[06:04] <nickrud> g14, I don't know, I wait for usable packages these days
[06:04] <g14> eater773: Does it give you permission errors?
[06:05] <g14> nickrud: beagle is usable :)
[06:05] <Mosi> eater773: Clearly not a problem with your mount then... possibly bad floppy drive? permissions on /dev/fd0 maybe?
[06:05] <whyameye> thoreauputic: so when I type esd, should the command prompt come back, or do I want to type esd &? I just typed esd and the command prompt didn't come back...
[06:05] <thoreauputic> yes, type esd & in that case
[06:05] <aaron89> thanks crimsun
[06:06] <aaron89> :)
[06:06] <nickrud> g14, in hoary? I've been using hoary pretty conservatively, only adding things I actually use.
[06:06] <drcode> hi all
[06:06] <drcode> whats up
[06:06] <jasoncohen> anything that requires sudo privileges is giving me "failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager" child terminated with 1 status"
[06:06] <pikaaa> is Ubuntu faster than windows xp?
[06:06] <whyameye> thoreauputic: thanks. Good enough!
[06:06] <nickrud> g14, the opposite of how I played with unstable
[06:06] <Mosi> Pikaaa, could you pleas be more vague? lol
[06:06] <drcode> Is there news grabber like nget (that work in console) that can download with more then one connections?
[06:06] <g14> nickrud: no, nevermind beagle was a pain to get set up initially in hoary
[06:07] <eater773> Mosi & gl4 -> permission ok..... floppy drive ok...  new floppy ok...
[06:07] <g14> eater773: What kind of errors are you getting?
[06:07] <nali0th> howdy y'all
[06:07] <thoreauputic> whyameye: most apps that use an esd output plugin will load it anyway, I think (I may be wrong)
[06:07] <pikaaa> Mosi i mean does it take less resources, does it run faster on the same machine
[06:07] <nali0th> installin a new ubuntu user
[06:07] <nickrud> g14, yeah, that's what I'd gathered, and right now I don't have time to play too much, except here
[06:07] <count0nz> pikaaa, it realy depends what you run
[06:07] <eater773> gl4--> no error.... just can write to floppy ...
[06:08] <eater773> gl4> can't copy a file from hd to floppy...
[06:08] <g14> eater773: type id
[06:08] <eater773> gl4> but floppy to hd ok...
[06:08] <whyameye> thoreauputic: okay, I won't sweat it. I just love this channel. People like you have saved me *hours* of frustration as I get used to Linux.
[06:08] <Mosi> pikaaa: i'm not sure, i'm the wrong person to ask
[06:08] <count0nz> pikaaa, can you give examples ?
[06:08] <g14> eater773: I'm going to guess it says uid=1000
[06:08] <eater773> where fo i type id in terminal ???
[06:08] <Mosi> eater773: you mean you can write to a new floppy?
[06:08] <g14> eater773: yep
[06:08] <pikaaa> just general stuff, firefox, email, maybe office, photoshop, etc
[06:08] <thoreauputic> whyameye: heh - this is how I pay for my free CDs ;-)
[06:08] <pikaaa> mp3
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol thoreauputic. hadnt thought of it that way
[06:09] <eater773> Mosi> i mean i can't write to a new floppy the file i want to be copied.... sorry for the wrong sentence..
[06:09] <count0nz> pikaaa, Generaly yes becose theres not a lot of other crap being ran in brackground, and it seems to play mp3's better and movies
[06:09] <g14> eater773: did you type id at a command prompt?
[06:09] <nickrud>  thoreauputic ditto
[06:09] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:09] <eater773> gl4> it say uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[06:10] <eater773> gl4 >> no in terminal
[06:10] <g14> eater773: Ok, and your copying the files as a normal user, or as root through the terminal?
[06:10] <count0nz> pikaaa, we don't have photoshop so can't realy compiare i am not a gimp user so i can't answer how it is with gimp vs photoshop
[06:10] <eater773> gl4 >> root user
[06:11] <eater773> gl4 >> root terminal user ...
[06:11] <pikaaa> ok thanx ill see it for myself
[06:11] <pikaaa> just one last question, how is ubuntu compared to gentoo for a home desktop user (no server)
[06:11] <g14> pikaaa: Gnome has slightly higher memory requirements than windows xp. Gnome 2.12 will be coming out in the future and will require much less resources thanks to glib improvements from novell
[06:11] <count0nz> pikaaa, grab the live cd even and have a play
[06:11] <pikaaa> gentoo seems to be very popular around here
[06:11] <count0nz> pikaaa, more stable, you don' have to wait for things to compile all the time
[06:12] <g14> eater773: Well then you have to get some error. cp or mv will give you errors if they can't write to the file
[06:12] <nickrud> pikaaa, its the differnce between building your car and using int
[06:12] <nickrud> *it
[06:13] <count0nz> pikaaa, Gentoo is great if you like tinkering with the OS get gentoo, if you want a Great Linux OS but want to just install things and go get U
[06:13] <pikaaa> is there a tutorial to learn how to perform server installs and then get the necessary apps to run ubuntu as desktop
[06:13] <g14> gentoo will give you a sleek and usable desktop... in about 3 days. Ubuntu will give you the sleekest and most usable linux desktop... in about an hour
[06:13] <nali0th> pikaaa: it is very user friendly
[06:13] <pschulz01> can any one suggest a 'recursive' ftp client? I'm looking to back up a large tree.
[06:13] <pikaaa> i have seen the livecd and i loved ubuntu, nali0th i am actually thinking of using it over windows xp and ive been in microsoft for 6 years lol
[06:13] <nali0th> pikaaa: it is easily the user-friendliest linux out-of-the-box distro i've used
[06:13] <count0nz> pikaaa, U is kinda still geting there with the Wiki's check the forum's generaly the Defaults are fine
[06:14] <eater773> gl4 -> i tried to copy file from HD to floppy.. and it copied... i don't know guys what happen i tried it last 3 days it won't copied... but now.... don't know what really happen...
[06:14] <nali0th> pschulz01: gftp?
[06:14] <g14> eater773: user error :-)
[06:14] <nali0th> pschulz01: or you could use wget
[06:14] <nickrud> pschulz01, gftp has done everything I've ever asked of ti
[06:14] <pschulz01> Doesn't recurse into subdirectories.. as far as I can tell.
[06:14] <pschulz01> And I want to 'push' rather than pull.
[06:14] <jasoncohen> does ubuntu have a graphical app for partitioning?
[06:14] <Mosi> pschultz01: Can't you just tar up thw whole tree and ftp that?
[06:15] <nali0th> pschulz01: use wget
[06:15] <eater773> gl4 & Mosi -> i think through ur help.. the system got afraid... no user error... i will tried now the floppy to other computer using windowXP & ME...
[06:15] <nali0th> jasoncohen: qtparted
[06:15] <jasoncohen> thanks
[06:15] <pschulz01> Can't tar.. remote site  doesn't allow shell.
[06:15] <g14> jasoncohen: Use gparted, qtparted isn't actively developed anymore :P
[06:15] <eater773> gl4 & mosi >>> i'll be back.... pls. wait...
[06:15] <nali0th> pschulz01: then use wget
[06:15] <Mosi> eater773: glad you got it working
[06:15] <g14> jasoncohen: It says so on the qtparted website
[06:15] <pschulz01> Will wget 'push'?
[06:15] <nali0th> pschulz01: wget will recursively pull EVERYTHING from the site
[06:15] <jasoncohen> ok
[06:16] <nali0th> pschulz01: wget is a retrieval program
[06:16] <saber_> Anyone ever have a problem with windows opened in a VNC Session? The windows Open, but their title bar is off screen
[06:16] <nali0th> pschulz01: it is quite thorough when given the proper command line arguments
[06:16] <Laforge> Ok this is really stupid, i don't know how to setup a new network
[06:16] <pschulz01> I have no shell access on the remote machine.
[06:16] <bigfoot> is there a _complete_ list of keyboard shortcuts in FF?
[06:17] <g14> saber_, When vnc has control, hit ALT SPACE to bring up the menu. Then hit M to move it and use the arrow keys. Does that work?
[06:17] <eater773> gl4 & Mosi >>> i tried the floppy... it work.... but it say the formula in Exell is not updated here in linuxoffice..
[06:17] <pschulz01> Anyone use yafc
[06:17] <saber_> let me go try it, g14
[06:17] <eater773> gl4 > should i update the LinuxOffice system ????
[06:18] <dcraven> bigfoot: First hit on a google search --> http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/keyboard
[06:18] <Mosi> eater773: Out of my realm of experience, sorry
[06:18] <eater773> Mosi -> ok....
[06:18] <thoreauputic> eater773: if it uses macros you are out of luck
[06:18] <g14> eater773: LinuxOffice? you mean openoffice?
[06:18] <saber_> g14: Ah great! Thanks for the advice. It works perfectly
[06:18] <eater773> gl4 -> yes OpenOffice...
[06:18] <g14> saber_: I had the same problem a few years back, no problem
[06:19] <g14> eater773: Excel macros and OpenOffice macros aren't compatible. You'll need to redo the macros
[06:19] <bigfoot> dcraven, that site says that "This is a list of the most common keyboard shortcuts in Firefox." Are there keyboard shortcuts which are not listed?
[06:19] <bigfoot> dcraven, "most common" does not equal "all" is what I wonder...
[06:20] <dr_willis> actually cant you make your own shortcuts with firefox?
[06:20] <dcraven> bigfoot: I dunno, but the mozilla site is likely to have the most complete list.
[06:20] <jasoncohen> anyone know why i am getting this error every time i try to use an app that requires root privileges (failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager" child terminated with 1 status""
[06:21] <saber_> jason, are you running the command as root?
[06:22] <whyameye_> if I type ifup wlan0, should that bring my wireless up?
[06:22] <dcraven> jasoncohen: I think I've seen that from time to time as well. Not frequently however, so I've ignored it.
[06:22] <dcraven> whyameye_: Yeah.