[01:38] <qwebirc26032> Howdy!  Just here to watch and learn.  Haven't had an install since MythDora 10ish, so I'm looking to try Mythbuntu.  Like I said, just here to see what people are chatting about.
[02:15] <Zeek> can I run a dhcp server with 11.10
[02:22] <superm1> Zeek: sure no reason you can't
[02:22] <superm1> you can follow any of the ubuntu server guides for setting it up.  we use the same repositories as ubuntu
[02:34] <Zeek> do I use a second nick card
[02:35] <superm1> that depends on what you're right trying to achieve with the DHCP server
[02:35] <Zeek> internal network
[02:35] <superm1> and the machine acting as a router to that internal network?
[02:36] <Zeek> yes
[02:36] <superm1> then yeah, you want two nic's
[02:39] <qwebirc26032> to get mythtv .25, do I just install MB 11.10, then do an update?
[02:40] <Zeek> I tried the guides and always failes
[02:43] <superm1> qwebirc26032: you can either install the 12.04 beta (we're veryyy close to release), or you can install 11.10 and add the 0.25 repo
[02:44] <superm1> 0.25 is already in 12.04 though
[02:44] <qwebirc26032> There's a 12.04 beta of MB?
[02:45] <superm1> qwebirc26032: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:45] <Zinn> [cdimages.ubuntu.com] Mythbuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) Daily Build
[02:46] <superm1> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/releases/12.04/beta-2/
[02:46] <Zinn> [cdimages.ubuntu.com] Mythbuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) Beta 2
[02:46] <superm1> the current daily-live is closer to what we're about to release, the beta2 snapshot is from 2.5 weeks ago
[02:47] <qwebirc26032> I'm pretty good... :)  Do you think the beta-2 is safe?  Or should I wait a few days?
[02:48] <qwebirc26032> sorry.  I meant the daily build
[02:49] <superm1> qwebirc26032: well daily build would be awesome if you could test it.  we're looking for more people to help test all the time
[02:49] <superm1> and if you find last minute issues, that would be great for us to try to fix before release!
[02:50] <qwebirc26032> :) I could do that.  What's the way for me to report issues?
[03:14] <foxbuntu> qwebirc26032, you should report all issues to the source of them, tgm4883 ;)
[03:15] <qwebirc26032> :) -- Should I "Download updates while installing"
[03:16] <foxbuntu> qwebirc26032, yea, go ahead and let it grab  the latest builds for everything
[03:16] <qwebirc26032> k
[04:48] <superm1> qwebirc26032: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1960207
[04:48] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] Pre-RC 12.04 Testing - Ubuntu Forums
[04:48] <superm1> hopefully you don't hit issues, but if anything major comes up
[05:46] <qwebirc26032> for those interested, did an install of 12.04 and so far, so good!
[14:45] <hR13> Hi, I dont get any program info of two of my channels, when I go to handle recordings this two channels only says unknown. I have rescanned the channels on my backend and run the Mythfilldatabase with out any luck. any one with suggestions
[14:54] <rhpot1991> hR13: they most likely don't hae any data?
[14:55] <rhpot1991> sign up for schedules direct if you are in north america
[14:55] <hR13> Im in Sweden
[14:56] <tgm4883> hR13, sounds like those two channels aren't providing EIT datga
[14:57] <hR13> well they did two days ago, but not now ...
[14:58] <tgm4883> well it's good you gave us all the information up front
[14:58] <rhpot1991> hR13: anything else you can use to verify they aren't missing the data?
[14:59] <hR13> tgm4883, what I mean was that it has been saying unknown for two days
[14:59] <hR13> when I try to scheduel a recording thies two channels says "unknown" the whole day
[15:02] <pepsiman> do they work in livetv?
[15:03] <hR13> pepsiman, I can watch the channels but no info about what Im watching
[15:04] <rhpot1991> hR13: what about outside of mythtv?
[15:04] <hR13> hmm, I have not tried my old box, I only use my Mythtv, but Ill do a test as soon as Im home
[15:07] <hR13> thanks for the tips, bbl
[15:07] <hR13> afk
[16:23] <qwebirc59962> I have a Mythbuntu backend setup and running (I think correctly). On another box I have the frontend configured. I can view the channels and the guide, but it will not schedule a recording. Any advice on where to look?
[16:24] <tgm4883> qwebirc59962, /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[16:25] <qwebirc59962> will the error (if there is one) in the log be marked with ** or :error: that I can search for?
[16:25] <pepsiman> my backend wouldn't shedule a recording when it thought it was a slave backend
[16:26] <qwebirc59962> pepsiman, I will take a look and verify it is set as master. thanks.
[18:16] <tgm4883> http://mythbuntu.org/unity-scope-mythtv
[18:16] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.org] Looking for testers for Unity MythTV scope | Mythbuntu


[08:47] <Moha> There's an error that does not allow to update/upgrade the system: `Aborted (core dumped)... 99%` <---- https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dTbKtyBy28/
[08:50] <Moha> I also can't install or remove anything! the same problem: `Aborted (core dumped)`
[08:51] <Moha> Version: 22.04.2
[08:52] <tomreyn> Moha: hmm, that's pretty bad. i assume you get the same when youssing apt-get instead?
[08:53] <tomreyn> are you using third party software? how was this system installed?
[08:54] <tomreyn> what is this first repository listed, "http://ubuntu-cloud.repos.abramad.com/ubuntu jammy-updates/zed"?
[08:55] <Moha> `apt-get` returns same error. It's part of an ELK cluster that the other two machines are ok.
[08:56] <Moha> That is a local repository for openstack stuff. It's a mirror.
[08:57] <tomreyn> ah that's openstack zed, i see
[08:58] <Moha> Nothing has been installed from this repo yet.
[08:59] <tomreyn> do you have any errors in     journalctl -b -p3
[08:59] <tomreyn> i'm wondering whether maybe there can be a hardware or file system error,
[08:59] <Moha> yes:
[09:00] <tomreyn> !paste
[09:00] <Moha> tomreyn: it's just one line (:
[09:00] <Moha> `Mar 10 01:48:49 logging01-elastic-logstash sshd[3254]: pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed to release session: Interrupted system call`
[09:01] <Moha> !pastebinit
[09:02] <tomreyn> so.. it's rather unusual that apt (and apt-get) would just segfault
[09:03] <Moha> can I reinstall apt by `dpkg` somehow?
[09:03] <tomreyn> you can try analyzing the core file, but that's a bit advanced
[09:04] <tomreyn> you can download and reinstall the apt packages, but if this is a deployed system i would just deploy it again
[09:05] <tomreyn> did you make changes to the default python release on this system by chance?
[09:08] <tomreyn> you can use    dpkg -l <packagename>    to see which package version is installed, and compare that to the other systems
[09:09] <tomreyn> if you have different package versions for apt or its libraries, this may hint on a problem
[09:13] <tomreyn> sometimes it helps to delete the package cache: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/*pkgcache.bin
[09:15] <tomreyn> but this segfault situation should not occur in the first place, hints at some deeper problem (if this is a VM / container and you have access to the host system, it may be good to check the systemd jounral / dmesg there, too)
[17:00] <athos> paride4: I just filed https://salsa.debian.org/debian/isc-kea/-/merge_requests/26
[17:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Merge 26 in debian/isc-kea "d/rules: add strict shlibs control file" [Opened]
[17:02] <athos> do you think this would be sth we could land before the next Debian freeze on the 12th? I know it is a last minute thing, and if this is not OK I will also add a delta in ubuntu for this one
[17:03] <athos> AFAIU https://release.debian.org/bullseye/freeze_policy.html#hard, we can still upload it after the 12th, but it will take 20 days to migrate
[17:04] <athos> in this latter case, I will still add a delta in ubuntu since we will not be able to sync it before ubuntu's beta freeze
[17:10] <paride> athos, hmm I'm unable to review it right now (eow). does it fix a specific bug?
[17:24] <athos> paride: not really. And it should not have little to no impact now that there are no reverse dependencies using those libraries other than packages within kea itself. In Debian, this is definitely something that could wait for the next release. In Ubuntu, this is part of the work for the MIR process
[17:25] <athos> there is no rush. I just pinged in case you were still around since the freeze is on sunday. I will move forward to include it as a delta in ubuntu :)
[17:26] <athos> have a great weekend, paride!!!


[03:04] <phix> hey, can I join #ubuntu yet?
[03:13] <elky> no.
[03:15] <IdleOne> agreed.
[03:16] <IdleOne> phix: Please part this channel now.
[03:17] <phix> oh, why not? it has been a few months
[03:17] <IdleOne> Truthfully, we don't want to.
[03:18] <IdleOne> remove the ban and allow you back in #ubuntu that is
[03:18] <phix> hmmmm, it wouldn't require that much effort to type the command in
[03:18] <IdleOne> true.
[03:18] <IdleOne> Doesn't change the fact that we won't.
[03:18] <phix> I am sure you are a fast typer too
[03:18] <phix> I'll time you IdleOne :)
[03:19] <IdleOne> phix: Please part the channel.
[03:19] <phix> yeah ok
[03:19] <phix> see you later
[03:19] <IdleOne> later
[10:30] <IdleOne> ikonia: you understand the tech part of his trolling way better than me. I'll leave you to it :)
[10:38] <ikonia> it seems to have shut him up now, so it works
[13:06] <ikonia> MEGASHAREUPLOAD...this won't end well
[14:10] <Pici> heh
[14:11] <ikonia> ;)
[14:48] <Pici> Is avis always random and unintelligable?
[14:48] <ikonia> from memory yes
[14:51] <IdleOne> pretty much
[14:52] <ikonia> another quality contributor
[14:52] <IdleOne> random but he does manage to string more than 3 words together that /could/ make sense with context.
[14:53] <IdleOne> least he doesn't flood #ubuntu like some :P
[19:41] <Pici> thanks h00k
[19:42] <h00k> :( I was a bit late
[19:43] <h00k> DJones: beat me to the draw
[19:43] <DJones> I could see the way the conversation was going, already had it typed ready to go
[22:36] <Myrtti> !away > Noskcaj_afk


[07:10] <dpm> good morning all
[07:48] <Mirv> morning :)
[09:05] <TLE> good morning
[10:41] <dpm> morning TLE
[10:41] <TLE> hallo
[10:43] <dpm> TLE, so it seems after talking to some canonicalers, that I'll have to give up on juju to install the django server and just do it straight from packages
[10:43] <dpm> sorry it's taking a while, I'm doing it between other jobs
[10:48] <TLE> dpm: that's no so good, isn't that supposed to be one of those things that you should be able to do with juju?
[10:48] <TLE> *G*
[10:48] <dpm> lol
[10:49] <TLE> in any case, don't worry about the deployment taking time, I'm just eager to get it up and running so I attention-wise can put it a little on the backburner
[10:49] <dpm> TLE, yeah, but it's depending on charms being written for each type of deployment. So juju works well, but the current django charm is simply not finished
[10:50] <TLE> dpm: yeah I figured as much
[10:53] <TiMiDo> greetings my Ubuntu Friends ;)
[10:56] <TLE> TiMiDo: greetings and salutations
[10:56] <TiMiDo> like wise TLE
[10:56] <TiMiDo> how is Denmark TLE
[10:57] <TLE> freaking cold right now, but otherwise great
[10:57] <dpm> hi TiMiDo
[10:57] <TiMiDo> hello there dpm
[11:24] <kelemengabor> dpm: TLE: hi, could you guys give a little publicity on FB/G+ to this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1201/FixingI18NBugs
[11:24] <dpm> kelemengabor, oh, damn, I forgot to do it last night!
[11:25] <dpm> shit
[11:25] <dpm> I'll do this now
[11:25] <kelemengabor> nevermind, it is too thick anyways to understand it in "live" mode :)
[11:25] <dpm> I'm sorry about that, I promoted the app dev talks and then I got sidetracked
[11:36] <dpm> kelemengabor, done
[11:36] <kelemengabor> thanks!
[11:53] <TLE> dpm: that IRC mode for the wiki is a little annoying, in that it doesn't break the lines
[11:54] <dpm> TLE, I know, I too noticed that the theming in the wiki has become worse in that regard :/
[11:54] <dpm> text used to be out of the central column if it was longer. It wasn't pretty, but at least it was readable
[11:56] <TLE> I was pondering scripting something to somehow fix it, maybe forcing a 80 char line width and if the IRC wont accept that, then make some custom markup
[11:56] <TLE> err: the IRC mode
[11:58] <TLE> afk


[12:36] <phillw> Hi folks, with the kernel team going to have v 4.4 kernel in 16.04, how best to change the flag on bug 1532355 to reflect it is a worthy bug to keep an eye on, but needs re-testing for the 4.4 kernel? incomplete with my comment of the switch to 4.4 kernel?


[06:32] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:37] <user|74> Hi, I am what system requiments must have for kubuntu
[10:37] <user|74> I am mark*
[10:59] <mparillo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[11:01] <mparillo> Kubuntu will be a bit lighter than Ubuntu (especially in Firefox, since Ubuntu will be shipping Firefox in a snap), but those are reasonable recommendations. If you can upgrade, I prefer to upgrade to an SSD over adding memory, but YMMV.
[11:02] <mparillo> And recently, KDE stack has been improving performance, while the Gnome stack has not.
[13:53] <alkisg> "since Ubuntu will be shipping firefox in a snap" ==> unfortunately that will affect all flavors, right?
[13:53] <alkisg> I.e. it won't be available as a .deb for 21.10+ at all, afaik...
[13:55] <RikMills> alkisg: the debs will still exist and be maintained for 21.10. only mainline Ubuntu will be shipping the snap for 21.10
[13:56] <alkisg> RikMills: excellent news; will that be the case for 22.04 as well? /me crosses fingers...
[13:57] <RikMills> alkisg: nope. the deb builds will not be available in 22.04
[13:57] <alkisg> :(
[15:52] <level15> Hello. I am trying to get X to use the synaptics driver instead of libinput for my touchpad. To achieve that, I have created a new udev rule to tag the device with tag "alps_touchpad", and created /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/39-alps.conf which specifies a MatchTag "alps_touchpad" and Driver "synaptics". udevadm info shows TAGS=:alps_touchpad:, but Xorg log says that the device is tagged by udev as Mouse and continues to apply the default "libinput pointer
[15:52] <level15> catchall" instead of mine. Any thoughts on what I might be doing wrong?
[18:56] <user|72> How do I make Kubuntu fullscreen in VirtualBox? I get this error when inserting the guest additions CD image: Unable to insert the virtual optical disk C:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox\VBoxGuestAdditions.iso into the machine Kubuntu.
[18:56] <user|72> Could not mount the media/drive 'C:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox\VBoxGuestAdditions.iso' (VERR_PDM_MEDIA_LOCKED).
[18:56] <user|72> Result Code: E_FAIL (0x80004005)
[18:56] <user|72> Component: ConsoleWrap
[18:56] <user|72> Interface: IConsole {872da645-4a9b-1727-bee2-5585105b9eed}
[18:56] <user|72> Callee: IMachine {85632c68-b5bb-4316-a900-5eb28d3413df}
[18:59] <tomreyn> that's a virtualbox error, most likely unrelated to kubuntu
[18:59] <tomreyn> there is channel #vbox on the irc.oftc.net IRC network
[21:37] <Mcklaren> hi
[23:04] <marcie> Hello
[23:04] <marcie> I am having some difficulties following directions on mysql.  The directions say  GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'yourusername'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword' WITH GRANT OPTION;
[23:05] <marcie> I've tried putting it in as
[23:05] <marcie>  GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO marcie@localhost IDENTIFIED BY Welcome123!   TO marcie@localhost IDENTIFIED BY Welcome123!  WITH G
[23:05] <marcie> RANT OPTION;
[23:06] <marcie> for the area in quotes I've tried keeping it in quotes, but putting my information in, I've tried taking out the quote marks, but it still gives me a syntax error.


[01:31] <duflu> RAOF: Is there an important reason why Wily isos are not yet promoted (passing automated testing) that you know of?
[01:32] <RAOF> duflu: Not to my knowledge.
[01:32] <duflu> I mean http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:33] <duflu> Possibly some test(s) failing that humans don't care about too much
[01:33] <duflu> (most)
[01:36] <RAOF> Oh. I'm *using* wily on this laptop, and haven't noticed breakage.
[01:36] <RAOF> If your question is “should I sudo sed -i s/vivid/wily/g /etc/apt/sources.list”
[01:38] <duflu> RAOF: Yeah I have one wily system set up. Just wondering when is the right time to migrate my development machine
[01:38] <RAOF> A couple of weeks ago :)
[01:39] <duflu> RAOF: I would have thought when distro declares it "passing" :)
[01:39]  * duflu always installs fresh
[01:39]  * RAOF doesn't actually know what gates iso promotion.
[01:40]  * duflu assumes it's test automation
[01:40] <RAOF> Yeah, but what tests.
[01:41] <duflu> Dunno. I would say I don't care but similarly if Mir was failing tests it would appear to work but still not be recommended for use
[01:41] <duflu> (often appear to work)
[04:01] <duflu> Time to put a faster drive in the build machine...
[06:36] <bschaefer> racarr, hey, w/e you see this tomorrow ... mir_pointer_event_buttons isn't defined in the new library? (but its in trunk?)
[06:36] <bschaefer> how would one get the mir pointer state with out this?
[06:43] <anpok_> with mir_pointer_event_button_state instead
[06:44] <anpok_> bschaefer: sometime after the 0.13 branch racarr reworked the button state enum another time and added the '_buttons' accessor, before that you could only query for buttons individually.
[08:36] <dednick> cimi: have you had any time to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/lp1396058-multi-line-messages/+merge/257050 yet?
[09:24] <dednick> greyback__: getting an dpkg error installing qtmir. missing libgsettings-qt-dev
[09:25] <dednick> greyback__: not in build-dep
[09:26] <dednick> which is kinda weird, since i thought dpkg uses the control file, and so does build-dep?
[09:26] <greyback__> dednick: I see it in the debian control file
[09:26] <greyback__> yeah, it does
[09:26] <greyback__> you're *installing* qtmir, and it relies on this -dev package?
[09:26] <greyback__> doesn't sounds right to me
[09:27] <dednick> greyback__: oh, no. using dpkg-buildpackage
[09:27] <greyback__> ah compiling
[09:27] <dednick> ya
[09:27] <dednick> hm. i probably have something different in apt sources vs my source
[09:27] <greyback__> might be difference between build-dep in vivid & vivid+overlay
[09:28] <greyback__> as I think that gsettings requirement is in overlay only atm
[09:28] <dednick> i may not have updated my source repo since i added overlay.
[09:28] <dednick> nvm
[09:28] <dednick> i think that's it
[09:28] <greyback__> would make sense
[09:30] <alan_g> greyback__: what can I try to test qtubuntu update?
[09:31] <dednick> alan_g: that the mir surface close event?
[09:32] <alan_g> dednick: rebuilt to match Mir-0.13.x API/ABI changes
[09:32] <dednick> alan_g: oh right. nevermind.
[09:38] <alan_g> dednick: do you know what it can affect
[09:39] <dednick> alan_g: afraid not.
[09:44] <dednick> alan_g: i presume you're talking about your ~mir-team/qtubuntu/track-mir-deprecations branch. Which just looks confirming the touch and keyboard input still work. But as to it introducing specific problems i have no idea.
[09:45] <alan_g> dednick: yeah, I'm working on the assumption that any breakage would be very obvious.
[09:45] <alan_g> But if there were something specific to look for...
[11:46] <greyback__> alan_g: sorry, was afk. As input code was changed, I'd make sure to test multi-touch things, so 2 finger zoom gestures in camera & gallery would be a start. I'd do some finger mashing to make sure qt doesn't crash for any reason. And would test unity8 on desktop to ensure keyboard presses work
[11:47]  * alan_g can't remember the last time he had U8 working on desktop
[11:48] <alan_g> greyback__: thanks, I can try that
[11:51] <alan_g> Rats! the thing rebooted
[12:10]  * alan_g decides testing on manta was a bad idea
[12:11] <alan_g> mako seems stable
[13:19] <alan_g> alf_: glad you didn't disappear in the floods
[13:41] <alf_> alan_g: it seems that I brought the floods back home with me :)
[13:42] <alan_g> I like it "The fundamental theorem of agile software development: if you think you can’t split a development task, you probably didn’t try hard enough." @PeterHilton
[13:45] <alan_g> alf_: could you check the test I had to hack (rationale should be clear from MP comments) https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/unity-system-compositor/spinner-rework/+merge/260148
[13:45] <alf_> alan_g: sure
[16:50] <bschaefer> racarr, hey, so  mir_pointer_event_buttons seems to be undefined? Not sure how to get the MirPointerButton from a PointerEvent then :(
[16:50] <bschaefer> i see it defined in lp:mir but not in /usr/include
[18:39] <anpok> bschaefer: still there?
[18:40] <anpok> you have to use mir_pointer_event_button_state instead
[19:29] <bschaefer> anpok, thats a strange function, soo i've to manually check each state?
[19:30] <bschaefer> anpok, thanks! I missed it since i was looking for a function that returned a MirPointerButton :)
[19:30] <anpok> yes you have to for now
[19:31] <anpok> and thats why racarr changed it then
[19:31] <bschaefer> cool, thanks again!
[19:33] <taiebot> Hi guys just a heads up on the sdl games that have landed on the store https://uappexplorer.com/app/neverball.lb https://uappexplorer.com/app/neverputt.lb? while they work correctly on vivid on willy mako its not the same  http://uppix.com/f-screenshot20150555676d30001907f7.png taiebot (a tester)
[19:34] <racarr> that screenshot is pretty cool
[19:34] <racarr> lol
[19:35] <racarr> are phone applications supposed to be allowed to be transparent...
[19:35] <racarr> that seems like a mistake -.-
[19:38] <taiebot> racarr:looks like a mir bug the app is a quarter of the screen with the top side having two time the app displayed
[19:39] <taiebot> while the input  are located in the right places if you manage to imagine where the input would be if the app was correctly displayed
[19:39] <taiebot> http://uppix.com/f-screenshot20150555676ea2001907fa.png
[20:20] <bschaefer> fun error im getting now :(
[20:20] <bschaefer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11418145/
[20:22] <bschaefer> the code thats uses it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11418169/
[20:24] <bschaefer>  hmm looks like region im getting from the surface is invalid hmm
[20:34] <bschaefer> soo surface is getting created correctly (with software usage)
[20:34] <bschaefer> as this looks like the error i was having when i tried to get a region using a hardware surace
[20:34] <bschaefer> surface*
[22:58] <AlbertA> bschaefer: yeah with mesa you won't be able to map it in the client...
[22:58] <AlbertA> works in android though :)
[23:00] <bschaefer> AlbertA, hmm but this should still work on the desktop? As demo multi win still works
[23:00] <bschaefer> which does the same thing :)
[23:00] <bschaefer> (software rendering)
[23:01] <bschaefer> I just find it strange that the region returned from the stream buffer is undefined ie. invalid pixel format and garage width/height
[23:01] <bschaefer> though my surface is valid
[23:02] <AlbertA> bschaefer: yes it should work if you specifically request software buffers
[23:02] <AlbertA> otherwise it's a bug...
[23:02] <AlbertA> but with hardware buffers, you'll get the perm issue
[23:02] <AlbertA> on mesa
[23:02] <bschaefer> AlbertA, o geeez
[23:03] <bschaefer> i think i know what i did :)
[23:03] <bschaefer> i created the surface before setting the buffer :)
[23:03]  * bschaefer slaps him self
[23:03] <AlbertA> bschaefer: lol ok
[23:03] <bschaefer> i had the software buffer being set but yeah just after the surface was created using the spec sooo it was using hardware
[23:06] <AlbertA> I'm curious to see what this would spit out with the mir code base: http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/
[23:07] <AlbertA> this is what it spits out when trained with the linux kernel code base: http://cs.stanford.edu/people/karpathy/char-rnn/linux.txt
[23:26] <racarr> AlbertA: lol...
[23:26] <racarr> this sort of stuff drives me insane...
[23:26] <racarr> "What does it mean? What does it mean? What does it...AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
[23:29] <AlbertA> racarr: it even has helpful comments along the way :)


[00:18] <mrand> you can't just remove the package?
[00:26] <superm1> it's a kernel module
[00:26] <superm1> if you install the closed source driver it will deactivate it
[02:18] <Gibby> superm1; that is what i am trying it won't let me install it since nouveau is in use
[02:19] <Gibby> think i found my issue though since i am using diskless....
[02:33] <superm1> Gibby, oh this is with diskless...
[02:33] <superm1> that probably complicates things in some ways
[02:52] <Gibby> superm1, got it working finally :) and with sound out the hdmi
[02:52] <Gibby> just got back from class, so a fresh look at it helped
[02:53] <Gibby> playing the vdpau high
[03:02] <fluvvell> anyone familiar with firestarter firewall, and how to get it to allow dhcp for my client machines?
[03:04] <superm1> Gibby, i think you would be the best person to help us get the diskless GUI alive agian for 11.04 :)
[03:04] <superm1> since you're figuring out the hacks and what not that are necessary
[03:04] <superm1> try to keep notes of everything you're having to do for making stuff work
[03:09] <Gibby> that i do, i never even saw any reference to a gui
[03:10] <Gibby> fluvvell: firestarter shouldn't block dhcp
[03:12] <fluvvell> Gibby, yeah its the <IP_ADDRESS> broadcast request for dhcp that seems to not be being answered
[03:15] <asphere> My xfce task bar stopped getting covered up by mythfrontend
[03:16] <asphere> autohide of task bar is ok... ish
[03:16] <asphere> better fix out there?
[03:17] <Gibby> i never had the problem and i don't have any policies
[03:18] <fluvvell> I'm using a gsm stick, ppp0 and wanting to run clients off eth0.  I've got a wireless ap on it and the clients auth fine but the requests are being logged at the syslog level and the client gives up after getting no ip address.
[03:22] <Gibby_away> fluvvell: just add the whole subnet
[03:27] <fluvvell> yeah, but it doesn't have an ip address at this stage, and I can't seem to just allow all on eth0
[03:28] <superm1> Gibby_away, yeah the GUI has needed to be reworked for the current MCC api
[03:28] <superm1> no one has done that yet
[03:45] <fluvvell> Gibby_away, what is your network setup ?
[18:30] <henk_> Anybody experience with smartcard readers? Mine keeps saying "EHStatusHandlerThread() Error powering up card." (yes, I'm trying to 'share' the card with myself)
[18:54] <_olo_> !help
[18:54] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[21:40] <ComradeHaz`> Eveing all. Just settled down to watch a dvd iso and everytime I tried to play one I just got a blank screen. Killing that gets me back to a blank screen with a curser but trying to restart mythfrontend throws mythfrontend.real: cannot connect to X server
[21:40] <ComradeHaz`> any ideas wtf's gone wrong?!
[21:41] <rhpot1991> drm?
[21:41] <ComradeHaz`> Nope, all drm free.
[21:41] <rhpot1991> some sort of unsupported dvd/menu system?
[21:42] <ComradeHaz`> But it's the not being able to start frontend that's really odd
[21:42] <ComradeHaz`> Nah, played it before.
[21:42] <rhpot1991> ComradeHaz`: is it in iso form?
[21:42] <ComradeHaz`> About to watch second episod on the dvd
[21:42] <ComradeHaz`> Yes.
[21:42] <rhpot1991> not in a storage group?
[21:42] <rhpot1991> !iso
[21:42] <Zinn> Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.24. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7
[21:42] <ComradeHaz`> nah on nfs
[21:43] <ComradeHaz`> As I say, it worked before and it's the not being able to start frontend that's odd
[21:43] <ComradeHaz`> also xfce doesn't seem to be running propperly
[21:43] <ComradeHaz`> there's no menu bar....
[21:43] <ComradeHaz`> Really wierd.
[21:45] <ComradeHaz`> .... and I cannot vnc it which is also very unusual
[21:45] <ComradeHaz`> something seems to have broken :S
[21:47] <rhpot1991> ComradeHaz`: tried rebooting since this happened?
[21:47] <rhpot1991> sounds like something is out of whack
[21:47]  * rhpot1991 waits to get yelled at from hads
[21:48] <ComradeHaz`> yeah, the machine is mostly off
[21:48] <ComradeHaz`> not using backend functionalities yet
[21:49]  * ComradeHaz` <---- noob to Myth TV
[21:49] <ComradeHaz`> But yeah, truth is, something has happened.
[21:49] <ComradeHaz`> OOps.
[21:49] <rhpot1991> sounds like an issue with your session which should be resolved by restarting or logging out and back in
[21:49] <ComradeHaz`> I have replaced all hardware except GPU and HDD :D
[21:49] <ComradeHaz`> As I say, rebooted numerous times.
[21:50] <ComradeHaz`> Rebooting is pretty much the only way to get out of it when it freezes
[21:50] <ComradeHaz`> Just got a flashing red screen :S
[21:50] <hads> rhpot1991: It's too early for yelling I just had breakfast :)
[21:51] <ComradeHaz`> OK, so when it crashes, I think it crashes the whole of XFCE
[21:52] <ComradeHaz`> how can I run thing such that I get a debug?
[21:52] <ComradeHaz`> I believe I have got debugging installed / enabled?
[21:52] <ComradeHaz`> *-?
[21:54] <ComradeHaz`> OK, getting 'Timed out waiting for video buffers' if I run from terminal
[22:17] <Gibby> ComradeHaz`: frontend logs?
[22:21] <ComradeHaz`> Ah. People are alive :D I just grabbed a spare HDD to do a fresh install on.
[22:21] <Gibby> scrap that :) diskless... :) i know.. i know.... but yes /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log pastebin it
[22:22] <ComradeHaz`> Well. Actually, things are a little, uh, interesting.
[22:22] <ComradeHaz`> Video output goes blank for install.
[22:23]  * ComradeHaz` suspects whatever issue is manifesting itself here may be the cause of his problems once booted.
[22:23] <ComradeHaz`> Note again, I have stuck the HDD and GPU into a new box
[22:27]  * ComradeHaz` is perplexed
[22:30] <Gibby> did you try a livecd?
[22:31] <ComradeHaz`> Yeah, that's what I'm playing with.
[22:31] <ComradeHaz`> Get the menue
[22:31] <ComradeHaz`> ie Try withut installing, install, check cd etc
[22:31] <Gibby> install openssh-server so you can grab the logs while it happens
[22:32] <ComradeHaz`> Well, as I say, I now have a blank hdd in there.
[22:33] <ComradeHaz`> and given I am not even able to get the installer to disply on this box, I'm thinking it's not,iking some part of the hardware
[22:33] <ComradeHaz`> I can stick the other drive back in I suppose
[22:34] <ComradeHaz`> as I say, it throws 'Timed out waiting for video buffers' when I try and play an iso
[22:35] <ComradeHaz`> though does at least boot
[22:35] <Gibby> put the iso on the frontend and try it
[22:35] <Gibby> also you can try playing it with VLC over your NFS setup
[22:36] <ComradeHaz`> :D I AM
[22:36] <ComradeHaz`> I only have one Myth box
[22:36] <ComradeHaz`> not using backend functions yet
[22:36] <ComradeHaz`> just using to play video files acquired from elsewhare atm
[22:37] <ComradeHaz`> So, could you humour me and help me troubleshoot not being able to install!
[22:37] <Gibby> ahh ok but the ISO is on another computer and mounted via NFS right?
[22:38] <ComradeHaz`> Yes.
[22:38] <ComradeHaz`> Not being able to install becasue as soon as I hit try without installing or install, the video output drops off.
[22:38] <ComradeHaz`> no tty's working at all.
[22:40] <Gibby> does that disc work in another machine?
[22:40] <ComradeHaz`> Yeah
[22:41] <Gibby> as of today?
[22:42] <ComradeHaz`> I can hear it's carrying on loading.
[22:42] <Gibby> is it on board video or add in card?
[22:43] <ComradeHaz`> I imagine it's booting all the way to the desktp when I hit try without installing.
[22:43] <ComradeHaz`> both, using add-in.
[22:43] <ComradeHaz`> pretty sure other is disabled.
[22:43] <Gibby> do you have antoher monitor to plug in to both?
[22:43] <ComradeHaz`> let's see.
[22:44] <ComradeHaz`> 'No signal'
[22:45] <ComradeHaz`> Machine is pingable.
[22:46] <Gibby> ugh, i hate on call week
[22:47] <ComradeHaz`> :S
[22:47] <ComradeHaz`> On call for anything exciting?!
[22:47]  * ComradeHaz` is on call but enjoys the shouts!
[22:49] <Gibby> on call for solaris/hpux/aix/red hat/suse
[22:49] <ComradeHaz`> :S
[22:49] <Gibby> about 450 servers
[22:50]  * ComradeHaz` is on call for 4x4 response team - help out emergency services in poor weather
[22:50] <ComradeHaz`> much more fun than server admin :D
[22:51] <Gibby> i do that too, firefighter
[22:51] <Gibby> we had a good stormy summer this year
[22:51] <ComradeHaz`> Oooh, funkeh
[22:52] <ComradeHaz`> Aye, thing is we only have to do the fun stuff
[22:52] <ComradeHaz`> not actually an emergency service, they just call us if they need our (vehicles) help
[22:52] <ComradeHaz`> So we drive the police about in the snow and tow ambulances out of mud if they get stuck in a field etc etc
[22:53] <Gibby> ahhhh
[22:53] <Gibby> have the fun is running code
[22:54] <ComradeHaz`> Anyway, just writing an ubuntu image to disc
[22:54] <ComradeHaz`> I'm betting I'll get no video but get drums
[22:54] <Gibby> you writing it at the slowest speed?
[22:54] <ComradeHaz`> Nope, running varify.
[22:54] <ComradeHaz`> *verify
[22:54] <Gibby> goodluck with that
[22:55]  * ComradeHaz` has good discs and good burner.
[23:02] <ComradeHaz`> Right.
[23:02]  * ComradeHaz` has drums but no video.
[23:02] <ComradeHaz`> Time to pop over to general Ubuntu?
[23:08] <Gibby> hmmm
[23:08] <Gibby> take out the video card
[23:09] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm.
[23:10] <ComradeHaz`> yeah, I have the card that was originally in this box
[23:12] <Gibby> well just pull it, and use the on board
[23:12] <Gibby> hmm how do i configure an IR remote?
[23:12] <ComradeHaz`> Well, teh onboard is no good to me
[23:13] <ComradeHaz`> I require hdmi output
[23:13] <ComradeHaz`> (not using that atm, btw)
[23:13] <Gibby> well if you want to troubleshoot you have to do it
[23:15] <ComradeHaz`> Oh, sure.
[23:15] <ComradeHaz`> On it.
[23:17] <ComradeHaz`> Internal card working.
[23:18] <ComradeHaz`> *Onboard
[23:18] <ComradeHaz`> So somehow this motherboard disagrees with this GPU?!
[23:20] <Gibby> :)
[23:20] <Gibby> see we are getting somewhere
[23:21] <ComradeHaz`> only place I know I am getting is sad.
[23:30] <Gibby> put the other card back in, go to bios and disable on board
[23:30] <ComradeHaz`> Done.
[23:32] <ComradeHaz`> wondered if I might be marginal on PSU power, so tried unplugging hdd
[23:32] <ComradeHaz`> no help
[23:37] <Gibby> does it have its own power?
[23:38] <ComradeHaz`> Nope.
[23:38] <ComradeHaz`> It's only a little fanless GT210
[23:38] <Gibby> ahh ok
[23:39] <ComradeHaz`> This is bloody wierd
[23:39] <ComradeHaz`> Never seeen anything like this.
[23:39] <ComradeHaz`> What is different between the latter part of teh boot and that menu?
[23:40] <ComradeHaz`> Further, how come I could boot to the frontend and it only fall over when I tried to play those iso images.
[23:41] <ComradeHaz`> Further still, how come I managed to play an mkv on it successfully yesterday when I first put it together
[23:41]  * ComradeHaz` is confused.
[23:47] <Gibby> no clue
[23:53]  * ComradeHaz` went foraging in the kitchen for something to cheer him up
[23:54]  * ComradeHaz` returned with his Dad's last bottle of a particular cider
[23:54]  * ComradeHaz` forgot until he had opened it that it was being saved
[23:55] <Gibby> well, now if i can only figure out my IR remote....
[23:55] <ComradeHaz`> In what regard?
[23:56] <Gibby> how to heck do i program it, i plugged in the usb reciever and selected mce usb all in MCC but only a couple buttons work
[23:57] <ComradeHaz`> Think that's just in frontend options


[12:18] <slashd> Hi, is there a ubuntu membership meeting today at 12 UTC ?
[12:24] <elacheche> Hey slashd!
[12:24] <slashd> hi elacheche
[12:25] <elacheche> I'm from the Membership Board..
[12:25] <slashd> nice to meet you
[12:25] <elacheche> Sorry for the delay.. I think that we don't have the quorum to start the meeting..
[12:26] <slashd> elacheche, ok will wait I was simply  making sure I was there at the right time ;)
[12:28] <elacheche> Thank you.. I think that no one else will show up today :/
[12:29] <elacheche> It's 7:30 am in there isn't it!
[12:29] <slashd> yes, 7:30AM for me
[12:30] <slashd> elachche, so I'll have to reconvene at next meetings ?
[12:30] <elacheche> OK.. I think that we (the Membership Board) can review your membership application on our ML.. Becasue we couldn't have the quorum for this meeting..
[12:31] <slashd> elacheche, what is the ML address and what should I put on the email ?
[12:31] <elacheche> If you like to change the meeting date, so it'll be OK, otherwise I'll send the email to the board now.. Are you always on irc? If so I'll let you updated via irc, or I'll email you..
[12:32] <elacheche> slashd, you should do nothing more than what you did (wiki) :)
[12:32] <elacheche> It's my role to send  the mail to the ML board.
[12:33] <slashd> elacheche, ok thanks. yeah let's do it by ML then, I'm always on IRC during the day
[12:35] <elacheche> Great! I'll let you know if there is updates :)
[12:35] <elacheche> Sorry again slashd
[12:35] <slashd> elacheche, much appreciated
[12:43] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:43] <Kilos> there i set auto join
[12:43] <Kilos> sorry
[12:43] <elacheche> :)
[12:44] <elacheche> Kilos, I sent the mail to our ML :) just refresh your inbox :)
[12:44] <Kilos> ok
[12:46] <Kilos> hi slashd
[12:46] <Kilos> sorry bout that
[12:46] <Kilos> elacheche that link doesnt show sladen 's wiki link
[12:47] <Kilos> shows me no applicants
[12:47] <Kilos> slashd 's wiki link
[12:48] <Kilos> oh there i see it sorry
[12:48] <elacheche> Kilos, :D You need a nap dude! x)
[12:49] <Kilos> haha man its old eye and faint print
[12:49] <Kilos> oh i have read it before
[12:50] <Kilos> what timezone are you in slashd ?
[12:50] <slashd> kilos, eastern
[12:51] <slashd> kilos, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slashd
[12:51] <elacheche> I think that we ca ndo that via the ML Kilos :) We have the right to do it :)
[12:51] <slashd> Kilos ^^
[12:52] <Kilos> yes ty
[12:53] <Kilos> canonical in the states or uk?
[12:54] <elacheche> Kilos, Canonical is World Wide company :)
[12:54]  * elacheche thinks that we probably should move to an other channel to chat..
[13:40] <Kilos> slashd we are working on it
[13:40] <slashd> Kilos, much appreciated
[13:41] <Kilos> ty for your patience and sorry for our slipup
[13:41] <slashd> Kilos, no worry
[15:11] <wxl> slashd: morning. i just got up (i'm not normally at this meeting). i'm curious about what, if any, contributions you may have had outside the realm of development. loco activity?
[15:13] <wxl> slashd: community involvement is what i'm askinng about
[15:13] <wxl> sudo service slashd restart XD
[15:14] <slashd> wxl, most of my contribution has been part of my work here at Canonical fixing userland/kernel issues for Ubuntu Advantage customer
[15:15] <wxl> slashd: that's what i gathered. i'm just curious if there may have been anything else.
[15:15] <slashd> wxl, not at the moment but it's part of my plan
[15:15] <wxl> slashd: how long have you been contributing and/or when did you start at canonical?
[15:16] <slashd> wxl, Canonical: 1 year and a half | Contribution: officially 6-7  months ago
[15:16] <wxl> slashd: oh wow you're fairly new to the community, then
[15:17] <slashd> wxl, but I run Ubuntu since Dapper in my profesionnal works and personnal computers, and have more than 10 years of experience as linux sysadmin, etc ...
[15:18] <wxl> slashd: nice! you've definitely got the chops. do you also interact directly with ubuntu advantage customers and/or their employees?
[15:19] <slashd> wxl, Yes I'm directly communicating with UA customer through our ticket portal and Launchpad, providing hotfixes, testfixes, and then proceed with the SRU process (userland/kernel)
[15:20] <wxl> slashd: nice!
[15:21] <Kilos> slashd we are getting there. board guys are all over the world
[15:21] <wxl> slashd: my suggestion is to reach out to the community. find your current loco. etc. that community is a pretty vital part of what ubuntu really is (though canonical is often viewed as the umbrella over ubuntu, i really think it's the ground beneath it)
[15:22] <wxl> Kilos: can you just take a +1 from me? i have to get the daughter to school XD
[15:22] <slashd> wxl, sure will do that thanks
[15:22] <Kilos> wxl will do
[15:22] <Kilos> thanks for poppin in
[15:22] <wxl> np thx Kilos
[15:22] <wxl> and thx slashd for all you do. you're the first advantage employee i think i've met
[15:23] <wxl> o/
[15:23] <slashd> wxl, thanks again
[20:13] <Kilos> slashd you still here??
[20:13] <slashd> Kilos, yes
[20:15] <Kilos> we seem to have arrived at a vote
[20:15] <Kilos> was very difficult
[20:16] <Kilos> im just waiting for last guy to join us here
[20:17] <Kilos> elacheche_anis wb
[20:18] <Kilos> hi toddy
[20:18] <PabloRubianes> here
[20:18] <toddy> hi Kilos
[20:19] <Kilos> so slashd has you got your sunday best on?
[20:19] <Kilos> s/has/have
[20:19] <Kilos> sorry im half asleep
[20:20] <slashd> Kilos, lol yes
[20:20] <Kilos> good
[20:21] <Kilos> any minute now the vote will be announced
[20:22] <Kilos> slashd congratulations and welcome on board
[20:22] <Kilos> full house of approvals
[20:22] <slashd> Kilos, thanks all
[20:22] <PabloRubianes> congrats slashd
[20:22] <Na3iL> congrats slashd :)
[20:22] <Kilos> keep up the good work and broading you field
[20:22] <Kilos> broaden
[20:23] <slashd> PabloRubianes, Na3iL, thanks
[20:23] <Kilos> get involved in your loco and share your skills
[20:23] <slashd> Kilos, sure
[20:23] <slashd> will do
[20:23] <Kilos> great to have you join us
[20:23] <toddy> congrats slashd
[20:23] <slashd> toddy, thanks
[20:24] <Kilos> genii helloooo
[20:26] <Kilos> slashd sorry we were so slow
[20:26] <slashd> Kilos, hey no problem, I understand that
[20:26]  * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee and makes sure Kilos gets a mug
[20:26] <hggdh> slashd: welcome
[20:27] <slashd> hggdh, thanks
[20:27] <Kilos> ty genii and one for our new member please slashd
[20:27]  * genii slides slashd one as well
[20:27] <slashd> genii, hehe thanks
[20:27] <genii> :)
[20:28] <genii> slashd: ..and Congrats!
[20:32] <elacheche_anis> Congrats slashd :) I already added you to the Ubuntu Members Team :) And I'm announcing the news to the news team in a minute :)
[20:32] <slashd> elacheche_anis, thanks
[20:33] <Kilos> ty elacheche_anis
[20:36] <Kilos> ok night all. sleep time in za
[23:06] <daker> bug 1000000
[23:07] <genii> heh, triaged


[04:01] <jimmy_extreme_> HI, anybody there?
[04:02] <holstein> sure, jimmy_extreme_ .. just ask and one of the volunteers will help if they can
[04:03] <jimmy_extreme_> cool! I'm trying to install RHEL onto some unallocated space on the box I'm currently on. But I don't have a CD or DVD
[04:03] <jimmy_extreme_> Is there an easy way to do it without?
[04:04] <holstein> if you want to install, you'll need some installation media
[04:05] <holstein> what are you asking? you have a red hat installation CD and no CD rom drive?
[04:05] <jimmy_extreme_> No no...I have the .iso file
[04:05] <jimmy_extreme_> but no DVD or CD to burn it to
[04:06] <holstein> what do you have? usb sticks?
[04:06] <jimmy_extreme_> Yes, I have a USB stick
[04:06] <jimmy_extreme_> can I install from there?
[04:06] <holstein> i use unetbootin to create installation media from USB sticks
[04:07] <holstein> i install unetbootin.. i format a USB stick fat32 (even if it was previously formatted, i do it again) and i point unetbootin to the .iso i want to use and make sure the machine can either boot USB or i have my plop live CD that can boot USB on legacy hardware
[04:09] <jimmy_extreme_> Thanks for all the tips. How can I determine if my machine can boot from USB?
[04:10] <holstein> jimmy_extreme_: i usually put a stick in it and try booting usb. you can google around, or look in the bios, or ask the vendor, or the place where you bought it, but i usually just try it
[04:13] <jimmy_extreme_> holstein: thanks for all your help. I'll try that
[04:16] <skr_> when ever i open any gnome app like gedit, gcal etc .. i get an error msg "GLib-GIO-Message: Using the 'memory' GSettings backend.  Your settings will not be saved or shared with other applications." due to which i am not able to save the settings for these application.PLZ HELP....
[04:19] <jimmy_extreme_> dont know why it posted that last part. Unintentional
[04:20] <skr_> anyone...
[04:21] <holstein> skr_: do you own your /home directory? sounds like a permissions issue
[04:22] <skr_> holstein: yes
[04:24] <holstein> skr_: yes?
[04:24] <holstein> skr_: yes you own it? or yes its a permissions issue?
[04:25] <skr_> holstein: yes i own the /home directory ..
[04:28] <holstein> skr_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/757866 is what i get
[04:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 757866 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "gsettings uses the 'memory' GSettings backend / settings do not stick?!" [Medium,Invalid]
[04:28] <holstein> "I just manually installed "dconf-tools", "libdconf0" and "libdconf-dbus-1-0" and now it works."
[04:34] <skr_> holstein: sudo apt-get install dconf-tools libdconf0 libdconf-dbus-1-0 dconf-gsettings-backend but still the same error..
[04:36] <holstein> skr_: i would mark myself on that bug and keep up with it
[04:36] <holstein> skr_: i would try as a different user
[04:37] <skr_> ok.
[04:38] <holstein> if it works as a different user, you can just look in your user config and fix or remove whatever is mis-configured
[04:47] <skr_> holstein: i tried using guest user and got the same error...
[04:48] <holstein> skr_: so, its likely system wide then.. you got any ppa's in action? maybe for gnome?
[04:49] <skr_> holstein: why ?? how to check whether if any thing is their???
[04:52] <holstein> skr_: why what? why might a PPA be adding packages that could be breaking your system?
[04:53] <holstein> skr_: if you have a PPA added for gnome, i would purge it, and test
[05:01] <skr_> holstein: how to check if it is added???
[05:01] <holstein> skr_: i would check the software sources, but if you didnt add it, its not added
[05:05] <skr_> holstein: i looked in /etc/apt/sources.list and their is not PPA for gnome.
[05:06] <holstein> skr_: sure.. but if you add *any* ppa, i would see if it is breaking functionality
[05:08] <skr_> holstein: this thing has broken my entire system like cant change setting, usb dont pop up i have to manually mount it etc... i dont know what is causing the this???
[05:09] <holstein> skr_: yup.. im not sure either.. so you have no added ppas or sources?
[05:11] <skr_> holstein: i tried installing glib-2.34.5 from source.
[05:11] <holstein> skr_: and after that is when the issues happened?
[05:13] <skr_> holstein: no.
[05:15] <holstein> skr_: are you up to date with upgrades?
[05:38] <skr_> yes i am.
[05:40] <skr_> holstein: is this a problem because i am using 64bit.
[05:44] <holstein> skr_: i wouldnt think so...


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[03:47] <Guest3902> WHOIS
[19:57] <MasseR> Didn't know this channel existed a couple of minutes ago so I'll copy my question here
[19:58] <MasseR> I'm using ubuntu-sdk-15.04 framework, straight from 'create new project'
[19:58] <MasseR> If I try to run it in the emulator, I get 'Module "Ubuntu.Components" version 1.3 is not installed'
[19:58] <MasseR> at this point it was mentioned that 1.3 came with 15.04.4
[19:58] <MasseR> is it packaged inside the click target (as in the application should be self-contained), or does it have to exist in the channel.
[19:59] <MasseR> at this point it was metnioned that it's in the image, so my question copy was a waste :)
[20:00] <MasseR> But to continue on this: I found https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/ which lists some sort of reference material for 15.04, but it doesn't mention the qml versions; how would I discover the correct versions?
[20:02] <MasseR> Also related, since the develop channel is apparently using <15.04.4, how would I discover which channel contains this api?
[20:02] <dobey> is your emulator built from the rc-proposed channel, or from stable?
[20:03] <MasseR> develop
[20:03] <dobey> develop?
[20:03] <dobey> you mean devel? or devel-proposed?
[20:03] <MasseR> ah, sorry devel yes
[20:03] <MasseR> I'm creating an instance from devel-proposed atm
[20:03] <dobey> don't use either of those
[20:03] <dobey> use rc-proposed
[20:03] <MasseR> Explanation?
[20:04] <dobey> devel{-proposed} is not 15.04; it is 16.04 based images, are not well tested, and being 16.04 based present a whole set of problems that haven't been solved yet
[20:05] <dobey> the images are built there pretty much only as a sanity check
[20:10] <MasseR> ah
[20:10] <MasseR> I thought you would develop against devel, where it moves to devel-proposed and from there to rc-proposed
[20:11] <dobey> well, it's devel-proposed -> devel, and rc-proposed -> rc -> stable
[20:11] <MasseR> right
[20:12] <dobey> but it's not devel -> rc-proposed
[20:12] <MasseR> is there documentation on this somewhere? I have probably a dozen ubuntu-app tabs open in my browser, but skimming them I didn't notice this
[20:12] <dobey> they are separate things, in the same way that we don't trickle down packages from the current development release to the current stable release, of ubuntu itself
[20:13] <dobey> i'm not sure. all the documentation related to phone development should be saying to use rc-proposed or stable channels though
[20:13] <MasseR> I previously dabbled a bit with maemo and IIRC it was something like dev -> testing -> stable, so in my mind I converted these channels to something similar
[20:14] <MasseR> and especially documentation on the process of code -> my testing -> ??? -> stable store
[20:14] <dobey> i don't recall what maemo did
[20:15] <MasseR> It's been a while :)
[20:16] <dobey> indeed
[20:17] <dobey> and when i was messing with maemo, i was having to compile webkit, so most of my time was spent just waiting for that
[20:20] <MasseR> Well... I've spent maybe 10-12 hours on getting some kind of semireliable development environment for utouch :)
[20:21] <dobey> that seems like a long time; but it sounds like you have overwhelmed yourself with information and made some assumptions based on experience with a previous separate system you worked on, and made some wrong decisions about what to do :)
[20:21] <MasseR> no doubt
[20:22] <MasseR> But even then the documentation could be better
[20:22] <MasseR> Isn't that always the most common claim? :)
[20:23] <dobey> not disagreeing, but i don't know what documentation you read either
[20:23] <dobey> and i don't work on the sdk or documention, so i don't really know what it says either in this regard :)
[20:27] <MasseR> But speaking of documentation, is there documentation on the process of code -> my testing -> ??? -> stable store? There is this: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/building-cross-architecture-click-applications/ which goes from code -> test -> validation but stops there
[20:29] <dobey> build a click for release (not the same build that was "deploy to device") and upload it on https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/
[20:30] <dobey> i don't really know where that is documented though
[20:30] <MasseR> Well now it's documented in my chat logs :)
[20:30] <MasseR> Thanks
[20:31] <dobey> at least if i understand your question correctly, you were asking how to upload it to the store
[20:32] <MasseR> One more question before I have to stop. There is something odd with the rc-proposed emulator. After installing the emulator, it goes to the lock screen (the circle with dots and clock above it), but I also get a badly moving cursor and I can't interact with it
[20:40] <dobey> no idea
[20:41] <dobey> i have hardware, so don't use the emulator myself :)
[20:49] <matv1> I have to say that from what I read on both this channel and in the mailinglist as well I suspect that very few people do.
[20:50] <MasseR> Ah. The ubuntu-sdk at start recommends using emulator instead of hardware
[20:52] <matv1> I am sorry to say that my own (limited) experience is that the emulator has been difficult to work with.
[20:52] <matv1> and as i said, this seems to be the experience of most
[20:52] <MasseR> No kidding.
[20:52] <matv1> this is only the emulator mind.
[20:53] <matv1> sdk coupled with actual hardware does the job nicely
[20:53] <matv1> i am just saying that I expect that most are going that route
[20:54] <MasseR> yeah. The little i tried with real hardware I had good experience
[20:54] <matv1> thats cool at least :)
[20:55] <matv1> Also, it used to be better then it is now. So that means it can get better again :)
[21:00] <MasseR> yeah.right now my biggest complain is that the gps doesn't work and right after that the lack of applications. And this is where good tooling is essential
[21:01] <matv1> I am not sure that I would agree that gps doesnt work
[21:01] <matv1> there are bugs yes
[21:01] <matv1> on the other part, agreed
[21:02] <dobey> matv1: what hardware are you using it on?
[21:02] <matv1> nexus4
[21:02] <dobey> err
[21:03] <dobey> MasseR: what hardware are you using it on? :)
[21:03] <MasseR> nexus 7
[21:03] <dobey> tab complete
[21:03] <dobey> wifi nexus 7?
[21:04] <MasseR> I think so. The 2013 model
[21:04] <dobey> right, there's wifi (flo) and lte (deb) models
[21:04] <MasseR> at least it doesn't got gsm
[21:04] <MasseR> flo
[21:04] <dobey> and the 2012 n7 isn't supported
[21:04] <dobey> ok
[21:05] <dobey> gps should work; but make sure you're using one of the 15.04 channels (rc-proposed or stable), and not devel-{preoposed}
[21:05] <dobey> at least, gps even works on my nexus5 now; though it does have trouble sometimes
[21:06] <MasseR> yeah I'm using stable
[21:07] <MasseR> is there a sure fire way to check the gps? None of the location aware programs have been able to get the location
[21:07] <dobey> ok, maybe you'll have better luck on next stable update then; although if you only ever use it indoors you might still have issues getting a fix
[21:08] <dobey> there is a wiki page...
[21:09] <MasseR> Oh wait I think i stumbled on it while researching the issue
[21:09] <matv1> indoors gps is not happening with me either.
[21:09] <dobey> but i don't recall it, and can't find it now
[21:10] <dobey> i know it's there though :)
[21:10] <matv1> all the satelites are above tvoss's house :)
[21:10] <matv1> sorry couldnt resist that one ;)
[21:10] <dobey> heh
[21:10] <dobey> i was a bit surprised when i ran the tool and it said there were like 20 satellites in view
[21:11] <MasseR> yeah indoors but next to a window where I usually get an immediate fix or in a car
[21:11] <dobey> still takes a few seconds when i turn it on in my car, but it comes up pretty quick
[21:12] <dobey> but i don't have a flo. i don't know if it's ever worked on flo
[21:12] <dobey> if the hardware is there and all the bits for the HAL, it should work, though
[21:13] <MasseR> for nexus 4 someone mentioned that later androids flashed the radio firmware so that utouch couldn't handle it
[21:14] <dobey> no, that doesn't sound right
[21:15] <MasseR> thanks for today. Time for me to leave for the night
[22:52] <matv1> dobey a moment of your time please?
[22:52] <matv1> having a dreadfull time understanding translation files in the context of the sdk. or rather: translated files
[22:55] <matv1> I saw you answered some regarding that on AU
[22:55] <matv1> ?
[22:56] <dobey> ?
[22:57] <dobey> what's up?
[22:57] <matv1> what i have is this: got a simple working app(qmake). got it in the store, some translators immeadeatly offered to translate.(yeah \o/). I
[22:57] <matv1> i18n'd all my strings. I threw my .pot file up on launchpad, they did their thing, got some .po's back. Now what?
[22:57] <matv1> The documentation is a bit sparse and seemingly conflicting. On the one hand there is the suggestion that the sdk should just pick it up automatically if I expose them. on the other, i saw tutorials where one needed to basically do all the getext related commands separately. even manualy generate the .mo files.
[22:58] <matv1> Can you give me some pointers on how to expose my .po files within the sdk? or direct me towards some doc's that I may have overlooked.
[22:58] <dobey> ah. i'm not entirely sure how to do it in qmake
[22:58] <matv1> ah
[22:58] <dobey> what AU question were you referring to me answering?
[22:59] <matv1> it was only i18n related. it wasnt exactly about this
[22:59] <matv1> I would have to look again :)
[23:00] <matv1> nm. I hoped David would be around I know he is the translations guru
[23:00] <matv1> but havnt seen him around yet
[23:01] <dobey> well, i certainly know plenty about translations. i just don't know how qmake ubuntu projects in the sdk are set up to deal with them
[23:01] <dobey> i guess if the default qmake template supports them though, you could just dump the .po files into the po/ directory and it should "just work"
[23:01] <matv1> and thats exactly where i am stuck
[23:02] <dobey> as $LANG.po that is
[23:02] <matv1> i obviously tried that
[23:02] <dobey> i think launchpad gives them to you as $PROJECT-$LANG.po
[23:02] <dobey> matv1: is your project code on lp?
[23:02] <matv1> yes. but i dont believe it is project related
[23:03] <dobey> well what's the branch url? at least then i can browse the code and see what the template made it to do, and where you put the po files and such :)
[23:05] <matv1> i did a direct upload of the .pot file. just for the translators. I dont think you can tell much from just that
[23:05] <matv1> https://code.launchpad.net/~matv1/stud-client/trunk
[23:05] <matv1> there the thing
[23:07] <matv1> should I manually  add a path in the project file pointing to the .po ?
[23:11] <dobey> matv1: i take it the UBUNTU_PO_FILES was there already, and it's not something you added?
[23:11] <matv1> absolutely
[23:11] <matv1> was there already
[23:14] <dobey> matv1: and you put the po files into the po/ directory and it didn't work? it should just work
[23:15] <matv1> yes thats what i did
[23:15] <matv1> I left the pot where it was as well. should i have removed that?
[23:15] <dobey> no
[23:16] <matv1> ok
[23:16] <dobey> can you pastebin "ls po/" ?
[23:17] <matv1> hmm i trashed it now because i tried some other things after
[23:17] <matv1> have to reset my project
[23:18] <dobey> matv1: well i don't have sdk set up on this machine right now after upgrading to xenial. but if you cp po/stud.matv1.pot po/en_US.po and then build your click, the click should have the en_US translation included in it as well
[23:19] <matv1> i looked in the click. it did not generate that either
[23:19] <matv1> dobey I think i must try again tomorow. So i know i was doing the right thing at first basically.
[23:21] <matv1> i will reset the project, do like you said and then i will have a build env that i can come back to you. if it still fails
[23:21] <dobey> ls
[23:21] <dobey> doh
[23:22] <dobey> yeah, it should work. if not, you should be able to ask the sdk people tomorrow morning
[23:22] <dobey> later :)
[23:22] <matv1> who are the sdk people?
[23:24] <matv1> dobey on here its good to have a name to ask for, I am noticing :) or a nick i should say
[23:25] <dobey> bzoltan
[23:25] <matv1> ah right
[23:25] <bzoltan> dobey: hello
[23:25] <bzoltan> matv1:  tell me, what can i do for you
[23:26] <matv1> haha not now :)
[23:26] <matv1> i was having trouble with getting my .po files recognised in a qmake project
[23:26] <dobey> bzoltan: go to sleep :)
[23:27] <bzoltan> dobey: i have done it already ... 4 hours is enough
[23:27] <matv1> bzoltan i will probably bother you tomorow about this
[23:27] <matv1> haha
[23:27] <matv1> not for me. i must be off now
[23:27] <matv1> thanks everybody
[23:27] <bzoltan> matv1: okey see you tomorrow


[23:26] <tonyyarusso> oh hey, it's March.
[23:29] <Obsidian1723> All month. It's a 31 day special :D
[23:30] <Takyoji> Ooo
[23:35] <tonyyarusso> Also, it's Monday.
[23:35] <tonyyarusso> hinthint
[23:35] <Takyoji> Meeting in 2 days as well?
[23:35] <tonyyarusso> Although my family looks like they might be working really hard to arrange for dinner to be at an inconvenient time again :S
[23:35] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: uh, wut?
[23:36] <Takyoji> First Wednesday of each month?
[23:36] <kermit> thdthdthdthdthd  will my roomate have rent today!
[23:36] <kermit> oh the suspense!
[23:36] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: we were doing Mondays...
[23:36] <Takyoji> oh
[23:36] <tonyyarusso> :P
[23:37] <Takyoji> So you aren't going to be around at the appropriate time of the meeting then? :
[23:37] <Takyoji> :P *
[23:37] <tonyyarusso> I don't know yet - all I know is that I was just asked to put a 2lb meatloaf in the oven.
[23:38] <tonyyarusso> My dad's supposed to be somewhere at 7 too though, so you'd think this time would work.
[23:47] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Do you have things to discuss at the mtg?
[23:47] <tonyyarusso> more inform than discuss really
[23:47] <tonyyarusso> Quick, someone stir up a controversy!
[23:49] <kermit> xfs is better than ext4
[23:50] <kermit> ;P


[01:35] <fabbione> BenC: i just pushed the e1000 fixes from .16 into my tree
[01:35] <fabbione> they fix the driver hang i was experiencing here every 30 secs
[02:13] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[04:04] <zul> heylo
[04:04] <zul> BenC: the ipw3945 driver im working is partially working it just cant find the ieee80211 header files.
[04:59] <BenC> fabbione: ok, I'll pull again
[05:00] <fabbione> BenC: great thanks
[05:00] <fabbione> BenC: i also have some issues about ioctl32
[05:00] <fabbione> i am testing a patch right now, but i need you to review it
[05:00] <fabbione> i think you are familiar with that problem since you use ioctl32 compat stuff in firewire too
[05:06] <BenC> yeah, ioctl32 is pretty sticky stuff
[05:07] <fabbione> BenC: well the point is that the entire redhat-cluster-suite seems to require that kind of love
[05:07] <fabbione> i did try to stub them
[05:07] <fabbione> some of them seems to work
[05:07] <fabbione> other don't
[05:07] <BenC> guessing some of them need real conversions
[05:09] <fabbione> example:
[05:09] <fabbione> #define SIOCCLUSTER_ISACTIVE          _IO( 'x', 0x0b)
[05:10] <fabbione> HANDLE_IOCTL(SIOCCLUSTER_ISACTIVE, do_cluster_ioctl)
[05:10] <fabbione> static int do_cluster_ioctl(unsigned int fd, unsigned int cmd, unsigned long arg)
[05:10] <fabbione> {
[05:10] <fabbione>         return sys_ioctl(fd, cmd, (unsigned long)compat_ptr(arg));
[05:10] <fabbione> }
[05:10] <fabbione> this one seems to work just fine
[05:10] <fabbione> #define SIOCCLUSTER_SET_NODENAME      _IOW('x', 0x0b1, char *)
[05:11] <fabbione> HANDLE_IOCTL(SIOCCLUSTER_SET_NODENAME, do_cluster_ioctl)
[05:11] <fabbione> this one gives me:
[05:11] <fabbione> ioctl32(cman_tool:5880): Unknown cmd fd(3) cmd(800478b1){00} arg(ff8f37d8) on socket:[11451]
[05:11] <fabbione> but the cmd is there..
[05:11] <fabbione> so i am a bit puzzled
[05:13] <fabbione> BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/cluster-ioctl32.diff this is what i have now
[05:13] <BenC> are you sure oxb1 is right?
[05:13] <BenC> 0x0b1 I mean
[05:14] <BenC> well, I guess 0x0b1 was already in the code
[05:14] <fabbione> i include directly cluster/cnxcman-socket.h
[05:14] <fabbione> so i yes
[05:14] <fabbione> so i think they are correct :)
[05:14] <fabbione> given they work on all other arches :)
[05:14] <fabbione> it's only sparc64 suffering of this problem
[05:15] <fabbione> afair not even hppa was complaining
[05:15] <fabbione> but i might be wrong
[05:15] <fabbione> i need to go out for about 30 minutes
[05:15] <BenC> I think I know why
[05:15] <BenC> it's the char *
[05:15] <fabbione> if you can give it a look or a fix, i will test it when i am back
[05:16] <fabbione> ok i will read when i am back :)
[05:16] <fabbione> thanks Ben
[05:17] <BenC> you  may want to handle this differently
[05:17] <BenC> is this operating on a device file with file_ops?
[05:18] <fabbione> BenC: code here is cluster/* and fs/gfs*
[05:19] <fabbione> i am not sure how i want to operate...
[05:19] <fabbione> personally i don't even care... it needs to work :)
[05:19] <BenC> yeah, it is
[05:19] <BenC> look in cluster/cman/cnxman.c
[05:19] <BenC> and then follow what was done in drivers/ieee1394/dv1394.c
[05:19] <fabbione> i really need to go
[05:19] <fabbione> i will look at it later
[05:19] <BenC> the compat_ioctl entry
[05:19] <BenC> ok
[05:19] <BenC> I think I did the same for one of the acpi drivers
[05:19] <fabbione> note that these are socket operation
[05:19] <fabbione> +s
[05:20] <fabbione> there are also files_ops
[05:20] <BenC> yeah, the file ops should handle it I believe
[05:44] <fabbione> re
[05:45] <fabbione> so BenC you suggest to remove that patch and go for what's in dv1394.c?
[05:45] <BenC> yeah
[05:47] <fabbione> i can try..
[05:48] <fabbione> but see. there is no file_operations there
[05:50] <fabbione> static struct proto_ops cl_proto_ops = {
[05:51] <fabbione>         .ioctl       = cl_ioctl,
[05:51] <fabbione> }
[05:51] <fabbione> cl_ioctl is the func that knows what userland is calling
[05:51] <fabbione> userland is in redhat-cluster-suite source cman/cman_tools/join.c
[05:51] <fabbione>     error = ioctl(cluster_sock, SIOCCLUSTER_ISACTIVE);
[05:52] <fabbione> it's like SIOCCLUSTER_ISACTIVE is not exported to 32bit userland
[05:52] <fabbione> but proto_ops doesn't have .compat_ioctl
[05:52] <fabbione> (from include/...)
[06:06] <BenC> hmm
[06:07] <BenC> I'd have to take a closer look then
[06:42] <fabbione> BenC: yeah.. i can't get in it
[06:42] <fabbione> no more than what i showed to you
[06:46] <zul_> wq
[06:46] <zul_> damn it
[06:47] <zul_> hey fabbione how is it goinng?
[06:47] <fabbione> okish
[06:47] <zul_> thats good..
[06:47] <fabbione> i just powered down the SAN
[06:47] <fabbione> i was getting almost stupid from the noise
[06:47] <zul_> thats why you wear earphones when you work..
[06:48] <zul_> i went home for lunch..yippe skippe
[06:57] <fabbione> it doesn't help
[06:58] <fabbione> not when a 19" x 6ft racks is completely powered on 3 feet behind you
[06:59] <zul_> meh...you need your own data center
[06:59] <fabbione> did you see the last evolution in my office?
[06:59] <fabbione> the desktop extender?
[06:59] <zul_> nope i havent
[06:59] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/office/second_layer2.jpg
[06:59] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/office/second_layer.jpg
[07:00] <zul_> lol...my wife would kill me
[07:01] <fabbione> my wife did look at it for 10 seconds in religious silence...
[07:01] <fabbione> then i looked her and told her: "Why i am so sure you don't like it?"
[07:01] <fabbione> she answered: "If it wasn't for the fact that all this junk bring us food, i would have never married you"
[07:02] <fabbione> so to say, she didn't like it
[07:02] <zul_> lol
[07:03] <fabbione> anyway.. food time
[07:03] <fabbione> i am hungry
[10:19] <zul_> ok i dont like the launchpad changing of descriptions


[00:58] <LinDol> hi all
[00:58] <LinDol> good morning :)
[01:26] <firf> Hey all
[01:27] <LinDol> firf, hi :)
[01:30] <firf> I was trying to install gnome 3.16 on my system Ubuntu Gnome 14.04.2 earlier today with no luck. D: Maybe you might know? Gnome-Shell IRC told me to come here instead
[01:31] <firf> There's no official package for it so far as I know.
[01:35] <ahoneybun> firf: most of 3.16 is in 15.04
[01:35] <ahoneybun> I doubt it will be backported to 14.04
[01:37] <firf> Is there a way to install in manually? I wouldn't understand what that entails.
[01:37] <firf> I want 14.04 for it's stability and would like to have 3.16 or newer for the features.
[01:38] <firf> Upgrading gnome might make it buggy, but I'd like to try
[01:40] <Noskcaj> firf, I think jhbuild is your best option to get 3.16 on 14.04
[01:40] <Noskcaj> !jhbuild
[01:40] <Noskcaj> ok, we don't have a ubot command for that.
[01:40] <firf> :P
[01:41] <Noskcaj> https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeLove/BuildGnome
[01:41] <LinDol> um.. I think 14.04 doesn't have PPA for gnome 3.16
[01:41] <LinDol> um..
[01:41] <LinDol> Wow, Building manual?
[01:42] <firf> Yeah, there's no PPA. Not through Gnome-Shell or from the official repos
[01:42] <firf> I'm tempted. I've never built an app though, closest I got was building Chromium for Fedora.
[01:42] <firf> Is it hard?
[01:43] <Noskcaj> it should just be a case of following the instructions there
[01:44] <Noskcaj> the reason for building from scratch is a number of libraries gnome needs aren't in 14.04
[01:44] <firf> Yeah
[01:44] <firf> Makes sense
[01:44] <Noskcaj> If you don't need 14.04 for something else, 15.04 with ppa, or 15.10 both work fairly well
[01:56] <firf> With jhbuild, would I have to run "jhbuild run gnome-shell --replace" every time I start up my system?
[02:15] <stiv2k> darkxst:
[02:15] <stiv2k> ibus-libpinyin wants libpinyin >= 1.1.0 but i only have 1.0.0
[04:13] <lindol> um..
[04:14] <lindol> When I use dual screen on my machine, How can I move application window to other side screen by short cut?
[04:15] <lindol> because When I hit Ctrl + Super(Windows key) + Allow key, Applicaion window was moving just in a screen.
[04:16] <lindol> Who anybody has a tip for this? T_T
[04:36] <darkxst> stiv2k, you can probably skip that
[04:38] <darkxst> lindol, shift+super+left/right
[04:40] <darkxst> or do you mean move from left to right of one monitor? if so, I don't think that is possible
[04:41] <lindol> darkxst, Thank you for your tip :)
[04:43] <lindol> With your tip, I can move something that I want to other screen ;)
[04:43] <lindol> Thank you.
[04:45] <darkxst> stiv2k, some of the modules that get built are really only soft dependencies and can often be skipped
[04:46] <darkxst> although once you skip a module, you will need to use jhbuild buildone gnome-control-center (and possibly likewise for anything g-c-c complains is missing)
[19:48] <krbtgt> so... does Exchange in online accounts work?
[19:48] <krbtgt> Evolution ignores it, and Contacts goes "LALALALA can't hear you"
[19:55] <krbtgt> i've added an ownCloud account and it doesn't want that either


[08:21] <hads> evening
[08:48] <ibeardslee> evening
[08:59] <ibeardslee> hads that DVBS card you mentioned on twitter .. what sort of grunt does it need on the PC?
[20:18] <ajmitch> morning
[20:23] <thomi> morning all
[20:29] <Atamira> morena
[20:35] <chilts> morning
[20:55] <ajmitch> from the look of things, dunedin missed most of the fun weather again
[21:05] <thumper> morning
[21:05] <hads> ibeardslee: None really, DVB cards just dump an MPEG stream to disk.
[21:05] <hads> or to whatever.
[21:21] <mwhudson> morning
[22:17] <kcj> Morning.
[22:22] <snail> morning
[23:37] <ojwb> morning
[23:46] <chilts> anyone seen the sun yet? or even venus?
[23:46] <chilts> fmarier: you probably have?
[23:46] <chilts> thumper: how about down south?
[23:46] <chilts> Wellington is grotty
[23:46] <thumper> yep
[23:46] <thumper> clear skies here
[23:46] <thumper> seen the small dot that is venus
[23:47] <thumper> the only thing I can say is "seen it"
[23:47] <thumper> not overly exciting
[23:47] <fmarier> chilts: cloudly here too :(
[23:47]  * ajmitch should go out & stare at the sun for a bit
[23:48] <ojwb> is it normal for ISP to charge you a substantial amount for moving house?
[23:48] <ojwb> it seems it's cheaper to get a new ISP at the new house, which doesn't make much commercial sense
[23:48] <ojwb> or do they usually waive it if prodded
[23:50] <chilts> thumper: lucky you :)
[23:50] <chilts> I'll have to wait for my next life
[23:50] <chilts> ojwb: when TelstraClear wanted to charge me for moving, I said I'll quit and then reconnect for free
[23:50] <chilts> they said they'll waive the fee
[23:50] <chilts> I had it out with them for about 15 mins on the phone
[23:50] <chilts> just threaten to leave and they'll waive it
[23:51] <chilts> they charge you since they think they can get away with it - don't let them :)
[23:52] <ojwb> ok, i suspected as much
[23:52] <ojwb> also seems they charge you for *moving to them from a different ISP*
[23:52] <ojwb> which similarly seems a bad commercial idea
[23:52] <ajmitch> wasn't part of that set by the commerce commission?
[23:53] <mwhudson> i hope if vodafone do buy telstraclear, they fire the entire customer support wing
[23:53] <chilts> I hope vodafone don't buy TelstraClear, since Vodafone are shit themselves
[23:53] <mwhudson> well
[23:54] <mwhudson> they're an isp/telco
[23:54] <mwhudson> of course they're rubbish
[23:54] <mwhudson> but i had much better interactions with voda support than telstraclear
[23:55] <ojwb> when we had TC cable about 4 years ago, they seemed incompetent but good at fixing it
[23:55] <ojwb> like a wiring charge would appear on the bill despite us declining to take it, and they'd fix it quickly
[23:58] <ojwb> seems somehow appropriate that the transit of venus is hidden behind thick clouds
[23:58] <ajmitch> perhaps for your part of the country


[00:52] <wallyworld> thumper: you around?
[00:54] <wallyworld> i was hoping to see what i could get reviewed out of my remaining 4 (+ another 2 partially reviewed) branches
[01:14] <thumper> wallyworld: I am now
[01:14] <thumper> busy freaking week
[01:14] <thumper> got back from the gym
[01:14] <thumper> and Rachel is like "you forgot about Caitlin's end of year assembly didn't you"
[01:14] <thumper> which is going now
[01:14] <thumper> but there is no room
[01:14] <wallyworld> oh no :-)
[01:14] <thumper> ended up standing outside for a bit
[01:14] <thumper> but I hadn't eaten
[01:15] <thumper> so the combination of not being able to see and being hungry drove me home
[01:15] <thumper> so here I am
[01:15] <wallyworld> ta da
[01:15] <wallyworld> thumper: i reviewed your branches. i looked at the first one john reviewed. i sorta agree it's a shame there is yet another socket/listener
[01:16] <thumper> wallyworld: yeah, been thinking about that
[01:16] <thumper> part of the issue was around lifetimes
[01:16] <thumper> there is a note there somewhere to refactor the jujuc listener
[01:16] <thumper> we should look to do that
[01:16] <wallyworld> i got so confused trying to sort through that hooks code. hard to know what runs where when just reading it
[01:16] <thumper> but somewhat out of scope for this change
[01:16]  * thumper nods
[01:16] <thumper> I know what you mean
[01:16] <wallyworld> i wish there was some doc
[01:17] <wallyworld> to explain all the moving parts
[01:18] <wallyworld> thumper: so i'd be happy to discuss the current state of play with my branches if you want
[01:18] <thumper> ok
[01:18] <thumper> lets do it
[01:18] <wallyworld> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpibd25ularnidet2ikrkeq8
[02:56] <axw_> thumper: do you know who I need to ask to get access to the HP Cloud account?
[02:56] <thumper> axw_: antonio?
[02:56] <thumper> that'd be my best guess
[02:56] <axw_> probably, I'll try him
[02:56] <axw_> thanks
[02:56] <thumper> or davecheney?
[02:58] <axw_> speak of the devil
[02:58] <axw_> davecheney: do I need to talk to arosales to get HP cloud access?
[02:58] <thumper> axw_: and he shall appear :)
[02:58] <axw_> or are you able to hook me up?
[03:14] <wallyworld> thumper: any chance of doing the last branches?
[03:14] <wallyworld> :-D
[03:14]  * wallyworld flutters eyelashes
[03:14] <thumper> wallyworld: yep, let me just finsih off these tests
[03:37] <thumper> wallyworld: I'll look at the next one while I run make check
[03:37] <wallyworld> ok ta
[03:37] <wallyworld> big queue in the bot
[03:57] <thumper> wallyworld: did you want jam to sign off on https://codereview.appspot.com/40870047/ ?
[03:57] <wallyworld> thumper: nah. i reckon my explanation is ok
[03:57] <thumper> so I don't need to look at that one do i?
[03:58] <thumper> wallyworld: here is the last of the juju-run ones:  https://codereview.appspot.com/41660044
[03:58] <wallyworld> thumper: don't think so
[03:58] <thumper> kk, looking at your last
[03:59] <wallyworld> and i'm looking at yours :-)
[04:05] <thumper> it has been a busy landing day today
[04:05] <thumper> you'd think we've been doing real work or something...
[04:12] <wallyworld> thumper: with cloud init, will jujud be in place at the time the sym link is created?
[04:12] <thumper> wallyworld: yes, but given the magic of symlinks, it doesn't matter if it isn't :)
[04:12] <wallyworld> ok
[04:13] <thumper> it is quite valid to make a symlink that points to something that doesn't exist
[04:18] <wallyworld> thumper: done. you can almost EOW :-) is the sprint approved?
[04:18] <thumper> wallyworld: yes, and I sent you an email about it
[04:19] <thumper> you need to do the travel request form
[04:19] <wallyworld> ah, too busy landing code to check :-)
[04:19] <wallyworld> i'llbook my own flights
[04:24] <thumper> wallyworld: you say to use cfg.jujuTools
[04:24] <thumper> wallyworld: my answer is "no"
[04:24] <thumper> wallyworld: jujuTools is the versioned directory
[04:24] <thumper> we specifically want the one through the symlink
[04:24] <wallyworld> ah ok
[04:24] <wallyworld> sorry
[04:24] <thumper> otherwise juju-run will never get updated when the machine updates
[04:24] <wallyworld> igmore me
[04:24] <thumper> I'll add a comment
[04:25] <thumper> wallyworld: if you were confused by it, sure as eggs, the next person will be too
[04:25] <thumper> hence the comment :)
[04:25] <wallyworld> yeah, or i could just be stupid
[04:27] <thumper> wallyworld: no, a very valid point, and the comment helps explain why
[04:28] <wallyworld> well, the two assertions aren't mutually exclusive :-)
[04:52] <thumper> hell pizza ordered
[04:52] <thumper> $13 large pizzas for Friday the 13th
[04:54] <thumper> ok, so last juju-run branch is in the landing chain
[04:54]  * thumper EOWs
[05:51] <wallyworld> axw: hey, any chance of a review of my last branch before i go away for a few days? it is hopefully the final piece in a series of branches to add ssh key management https://codereview.appspot.com/40690050
[05:51] <axw> wallyworld: looking
[05:51] <wallyworld> thanks :-)
[05:52] <wallyworld> the bot is being a bitch for my previous branches
[05:52] <wallyworld> a few spurious failures
[05:57] <axw> wallyworld: dumb question: why is the default user "admin". shouldn't it be ubuntu?
[05:57] <wallyworld> axw: it's the juju user which i believe is admin
[05:58] <wallyworld> right now juju only has one user
[05:58] <wallyworld> i think
[05:58] <wallyworld> there is and AddUser api but i'm not sure what if anything uses it
[05:59] <wallyworld> RBAC is coming though
[05:59] <axw> wallyworld: all our ssh commands log in as "ubuntu@"
[05:59] <axw> I'm a bit confused
[05:59] <axw> I'm not aware of us creating an admin user
[05:59] <wallyworld> it's the api user
[05:59] <axw> ohhh
[05:59] <axw> sorry
[05:59] <axw> got it
[05:59] <wallyworld> np :-) it is confusing
[06:15] <axw> wallyworld: done
[06:16] <wallyworld> axw: great thanks very much
[06:16] <axw> np
[06:16] <wallyworld> i'm not sure why the cmd doesn't support multiple keys
[06:16] <wallyworld> perhaps it should
[06:17] <wallyworld> i might make that change before landing
[06:21] <axw> not a major issue, since it can be added later easily
[06:26] <wallyworld> sure. but i'll add it as it's annoying me now :-)
[06:27] <wallyworld> i'll also fix add and delete i think while i'm there
[06:28] <axw> hehe
[06:28] <axw> cool
[06:54] <wallyworld> axw: commands fixed :-) i'll land unless you have an objections
[06:54] <axw> wallyworld: go for it
[06:55] <wallyworld> \o/
[10:05] <TheMue> rogpeppe: ping
[10:05] <rogpeppe> TheMue: pong
[10:05] <TheMue> rogpeppe: I separated the goroutine, it's running fine
[10:06] <TheMue> rogpeppe: but I would like to discuss the idea of the WriteCloser with you
[10:06]  * rogpeppe tries to remember which goroutine
[10:06] <rogpeppe> TheMue: ok
[10:06] <TheMue> rogpeppe: the reader goroutine in the tests
[10:06] <rogpeppe> TheMue: ah, of course
[10:06] <rogpeppe> TheMue: go on
[10:06] <TheMue> rogpeppe: the assert now uses the returned one and only string channel
[10:07] <TheMue> rogpeppe: ok, WriteCloser
[10:08] <TheMue> rogpeppe: the philosophy to use it has been, that it is simply an interface which allows the tailer to signal the writer that it doesn't has to expect more of the tailer
[10:09] <rogpeppe> TheMue: i think that the tailer finishing is probably just as good a way to do that
[10:09] <TheMue> rogpeppe: if I want multiple source write into one writer (which never has been the idea of the tailer, only all-machines.log) it's no problem to implement that interface with a kind of multiplexer
[10:09] <rogpeppe> TheMue: ISTM that the tailer is just a specialised form of io.Copy
[10:10] <TheMue> rogpeppe: w/o a Close the writer doesn't know that the tailer finished
[10:10] <rogpeppe> TheMue: io.Copy doesn't close the stream it's writing to
[10:10] <rogpeppe> TheMue: that's why I suggested adding a Wait method
[10:10] <rogpeppe> TheMue: similarly to most other similar interfaces we have
[10:11] <TheMue> rogpeppe: hmm, ok, that's an argument. but in that case the writer (or the using environment) needs perhaps a different way to know if the tailer has been stopped
[10:11] <rogpeppe> TheMue: different from Wait?
[10:11] <TheMue> rogpeppe: no, had written in while you wrote ;)
[10:12] <rogpeppe> TheMue: ah, sorry
[10:12] <TheMue> rogpeppe: so does the Tailer has a Wait? how would it be used?
[10:12] <rogpeppe> TheMue: we'll almost certainly want a Wait method anyway, so the agent can know when it needs to restart the tailer
[10:13] <TheMue> rogpeppe: hmm, can't follow
[10:13] <rogpeppe> TheMue: Wait would work just like any other Wait method that we implement - func (t *Tailer) Wait() {return t.tomb.Wait()}
[10:14] <rogpeppe> TheMue: we might want to also expose func (t *Tailer) Dead() <-chan struct{} {return t.tomb.Dead()}
[10:14] <rogpeppe> TheMue: for convenience
[10:14] <TheMue> rogpeppe: yes, but how would a writer implementation use it to get aware, that the Tailer has been Stopped by calling Stop()?
[10:14] <rogpeppe> TheMue: so, (responding to your "can't follow"), something is running the tailer right/
[10:15] <rogpeppe> ?
[10:15] <rogpeppe> TheMue: why does it need to know that?
[10:15] <TheMue> rogpeppe: yep, and passes a Writer, in my case one to write into a StringsWatcher
[10:16] <TheMue> rogpeppe: to stop work when it runs in a loop (like the one you proposed in your review)
[10:16] <rogpeppe> TheMue: so, assuming we have the machine agent running a Tailer, it presumably needs to know when the Tailer exits, so it can restart it
[10:17] <rogpeppe> TheMue: it's trivial to Wait for the Tailer, then call Close on the Writer if that's what you need to do
[10:18] <rogpeppe> TheMue: sorry, i'm not quite sure what you mean by "to stop work when it runs in a loop" - what's "it" there?
[10:20] <TheMue> rogpeppe: take a look at the reading goroutine in your review. how do you think will it terminate?
[10:21] <rogpeppe> TheMue: go func() {tailer.Wait(); pipeWriter.Close()}
[10:23] <TheMue> rogpeppe: ah, ok, not as is but with a second goroutine
[10:27] <TheMue> rogpeppe: feels a bit inconvenient to me, but it's ok. for an own implementation still would use the WriteCloser because I like to let a user implement an interface the best fitting way. but that's a different design philosophy
[10:27] <TheMue> rogpeppe: so thanks, will add it and then repropose
[10:30] <rogpeppe> TheMue: thanks
[10:32] <rogpeppe> TheMue: i suspect when we use this for real, we won't want to close the Tailer immediately it finishes - we might want to append a message saying what's happened, for example.
[10:34] <TheMue> rogpeppe: here I'm more defensive, the problematic word is "might" ;) the tailer already today does more than the existing requirements
[10:46] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: i guess I'm saying that by doing less, it's actually more flexible
[10:50] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: maybe. I so far reach mostly the same in my code by focus on interfaces
[10:51] <rogpeppe1> mgz: standup?
[11:23] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: next run, just proposed
[11:23] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: ok, looking
[11:54]  * TheMue => lunch
[13:07] <rogpeppe1> I'm going to be travelling this afternoon, so proabably incommunicado most of the time
[13:07] <rogpeppe1> natefinch: ^
[13:15] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: thx for the review, and the index error inside the test data (missing the lines w/o termination) convinced me to use the mixed notation :D
[13:15] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: thanks
[13:15] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: I've got to thank you, has been a very good process
[13:16] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: cool - sorry it took a while :-)
[13:16] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: hehe, np
[13:31] <TheMue> hmm, very quiet here today. did i miss a public holiday?
[13:35] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: various people are on hols
[13:35] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: malta has a public holiday i think
[13:39]  * rogpeppe1 goes for lunch
[13:39] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: ah, ic
[13:39] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: thx and enjoy
[13:39] <rogpeppe1> then i'll be out of touch for a while, depending on motorway 3G connectivity
[13:41] <TheMue> gets empty here
[16:12] <marcoceppi> If anyone with MAAS experience, heh, could help out in #juju, that'd be great
[16:30] <jcastro> hi guys, I am still getting: agent-state-info: '(error: container "jorge-local-machine-3" is already created)' style errors with the local provider
[16:30] <jcastro> fresh install, saucy
[17:17] <rogpeppe2> natefinch: here's what i've ended up with for the concurrent connecting stuff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6567727/
[17:18] <rogpeppe> natefinch: it's probably not obvious how it is intended to be used, though
[17:51] <jcastro> heya natefinch
[17:51] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1259350
[17:51] <_mup_> Bug #1259350: juju bootstrap fails in Azure (BadRequest - The affinity group name is empty or was not specified.) <azure-provider> <bootstrap> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259350>
[17:51] <jcastro> any ideas on this one?
[17:52] <fcorrea> hey there. Anyone here using the postgresql charm with an attached volume? A nova volume in this case
[17:53] <fcorrea> I'm having trouble trying to get it to work and wanted to double check I'm not doing it wrong
[18:06] <natefinch> fcorrea: sorry, most of the juju devs are out today for one reason or another.  You might try asking on #juju if anyone else has tried that.  I don't really know anything about nova, so not sure I can help much.
[18:06] <natefinch> jcastro, looking
[18:07] <fcorrea> natefinch, Will do. Thanks
[18:25] <natefinch> jcastro: I wonder if azure changed their API... they've done that before


[00:45] <aquarius> In bug 269652 danyer says that an update containing the fix for that bug is in the intrepid queue. How can I tell if the kernel I'm running contains the fix? In an up-to-date intrepid it's not fixed for me, so if it's believed to be fixed then I'd like to update the bug, but if the fix is still in the queue then I won't.
[00:46] <IntuitiveNipple> bug #269652
[00:47] <IntuitiveNipple> hmm, looks like the 'bot went away
[00:48] <aquarius> It's a patch to sata_nv, which is apparently in the upstream kernel now. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/269652
[00:53] <IntuitiveNipple> As the bug report says, it should be landing shortly in the repos. It's in git.
[00:54] <aquarius> ah, cool. I looked in the queue and it wasn't there, so I couldn't tell whether that meant "it has been approved, it's in, you're running it, it hasn't fixed it" or "it's not in the queue yet" :)
[00:54] <aquarius> since it's the latter, I shall go away and wait. No worries.
[00:55] <aquarius> thanks!
[00:57] <IntuitiveNipple> I think when it leaves the queue, that means its gone to the repo :)
[01:00] <aquarius> ah, so if that'd happened, I'd already have it :)
[01:02] <aquarius> ta for the help!
[01:07] <CarlFK> booted linux in vmware, cat /proc/cpuinfo model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600
[01:07] <CarlFK> is that a x64 ?
[01:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes
[01:09] <CarlFK> good.  but bad.  just relized it isn't an AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2
[01:09] <CarlFK> trying to see if I can repo https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/254668 [2.6.27] pausing during boot
[01:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Ahh, I thought that might happen at some point after the fast-path issues
[01:22] <IntuitiveNipple> probably an issue around drivers/acpi/ec.c::acpi_ec_wait()
[03:37] <CarlFK> IntuitiveNipple: are you the TJ that just posted "I wonder if the patch-set..." ?
[03:41] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: Yes
[03:43] <CarlFK> wana walk me through  bulding with that patch?
[03:44] <CarlFK> i used to build from kernel.org sources - and have kinda done some debuild
[03:45] <IntuitiveNipple> If you're using git you can just cherry-pick the commit
[03:46] <CarlFK> i installed git a few days ago, what's the command?
[03:47] <IntuitiveNipple> You'll need to clone the Ubuntu repo, then add Linus' repo as a remote so you can cherry-pick the upstream commit
[03:48] <IntuitiveNipple> If you're not familiar with git it could be a bit too much all at once :)
[03:49] <CarlFK> can't I apt-get source the ubuntu kernel source?
[03:52] <IntuitiveNipple> no
[03:52] <IntuitiveNipple> This has a link to the GitGuide to get the Ubuntu git repo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance
[03:55] <IntuitiveNipple> After the Ubuntu git is clonded, you'd do "git-remote add linux-2.6 git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git"
[03:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Then, create a topic-branch to do your testing: "git-checkout -b LP254668
[03:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Then, cherry-pick the commit and hope it merges cleanly: "git-cherry-pick 8553f321e0fd"
[03:57] <IntuitiveNipple> From there you can build the kernel following the instructions in the Wiki link I gave you
[04:02] <IntuitiveNipple> correction: The git-remote name can't have a dot in it... do this instead "git-remote add linux-26 git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git"
[04:17] <IntuitiveNipple> After adding the remote, you'd need to do "git-fetch linux-26" before you can cherry-pick
[04:20] <CarlFK> IntuitiveNipple: thanks.  getting ubuntu-intrepid/.git/ - saved your notes, may get to it in a few hours
[05:45] <RyeBrye> I'm trying to build my own custom kernel - following the instructions on the wiki. When it gets to the module check, it gets pissed at me and tells me to beg for mercy: http://ryan.pastebin.us/4799
[05:46] <RyeBrye> Is the module check even relevant to me, since I'm not building a kernel for distribution - I don't see why it matters that I've disabled a few modules (that, and patching to support my motherboard's SPDIF out - is kind of the point of building my own kernel, isn't it?)
[05:54] <RyeBrye> nm. in my module-check, I just disabled the line that makes it exit 1 if there are mising modules.
[08:07] <CarlFK> first time trying to build a kernel.deb  http://dpaste.com/82459/ EE: Previous or current ABI file missing!
[08:08] <CarlFK> trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance but I guess i missed something
[08:10] <CarlFK> hmm, myabe bash debian/scripts/misc/getabis 2.6.27 5.8
[08:11] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: Yes, that sounds likely
[08:25] <CarlFK> "This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to bean appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory; (expected linux_2.6.27.orig.tar.gz or ubuntu-intrepid.orig)"
[08:25] <CarlFK>  continue anyway? (y/n)
[09:10] <bullgard4> Synaptic writes: "The DEB program package 'console-setup' provides the Linux console with the same versatile keyboard configuration that X Window uses." and: "The DEB program package console-tools allows you to manipulate the Linux console (i. e. screen and keyboard)  What is 'the Linux console'?
[11:43] <jester-> hi
[11:44] <giovanni> buongiorno
[11:44] <giovanni> un aiutino me lo date please?
[11:47] <giovanni> query emgent
[11:47] <giovanni> italian??
[15:30] <CarlFK> ubuntu-intrepid$  debuild -us -uc -i -I; ended with  E: linux-doc-2.6.27: depends-on-essential-package-without-using-version depends: coreutils
[15:30] <CarlFK> is that expected ?
[15:58] <bullgard4> If I put a question in the channel #ubuntu-kernel, it usually will not be answered. There is (or was) a topic in it that prevents me from asking there even only occasionally. One exception is mjg59 who sometimes gave me valuable answers.
[16:00] <laga> try the mailing list? although i'm not sure if that's the right place for these questions
[16:14] <IntuitiveNipple> It is because, generally, we only talk about kernel development - not support issues.
[16:37] <cathya> another guy is tj who is pretty helpful
[16:37] <cathya> :P
[16:37] <cathya> and of course most of them are awayu
[16:37] <cathya> so.. you know
[16:39] <IntuitiveNipple> mostly, when we've got heads deep inside the code, the last thing we want is the distraction of IRC
[16:50] <CarlFK> IntuitiveNipple: I built without the patch just to get though without any errors.  is "debuild -us -uc -i -I" going to recompile everything, or do a make and just recompile what is needed?
[16:51] <CarlFK> I have never worried about it cuz most things build in under 5 min
[17:02] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: I use a different method for building, so I couldn't really say
[17:03] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance#Pre-upload%20test%20builds
[18:25] <CarlFK> IntuitiveNipple: http://dpaste.com/82517/ git-cherry-pick 8553f321e0fd fatal: Commit 8553f321e0fd29821135ac4797b5f37bf80ae2e9 is a merge but no -m option was given.
[18:27] <CarlFK> man git-cherry-pick -m ... "option specifies the parent number (starting from 1)"
[18:27] <CarlFK> I think I understand the problem... not sure what parent number is
[18:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm, yeah... give -m 1 a try for starters :) You can always git-reset --hard HEAD^ if it fails
[18:31] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/82518/  Auto-merged arch/x86/kernel/process_32.c (good, right?)
[18:32] <CarlFK> commit stuff at end is just if I was going to push things back up, right?
[18:37] <IntuitiveNipple> check with git-log -1
[18:38] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought that commit had several files, you might want to do git-show 8553f321e0fd to check all the changes it introduces are there
[18:42] <CarlFK> IntuitiveNipple:  i'm lost. http://dpaste.com/82519/  new stuff at line 127
[18:46] <IntuitiveNipple> CarlFK: You see the "Merge: be3be89... f8e256c..." after the git-show ?
[18:47] <CarlFK> yup
[18:47] <IntuitiveNipple> That is the range of commits in the merge, to view you do: git-show  be3be89..f8e256c
[18:48] <CarlFK> git-show  be3be89..f8e256c = fatal: object ranges do not make sense when not walking revisions
[18:49] <IntuitiveNipple> hmm
[18:49] <IntuitiveNipple> try this, it works here: git-log --pretty=oneline be3be89..f8e256c
[18:50] <CarlFK> bunch of: f8e256c687eb53850685747757c8d75e58756e15 timers: fix build error in !oneshot cas
[18:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Those are the commits introduced by the merge
[18:53] <CarlFK> should I assume they are applied to my tree?
[18:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Did you have a clean HEAD when you cherry-picked?
[18:57] <IntuitiveNipple> You should see this:
[18:57] <IntuitiveNipple>  git cherry-pick -m 1 8553f321e0fd
[18:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Finished one cherry-pick.
[18:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Created commit bd7cb89: Merge branch 'timers-fixes-for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/linux-2.6-tip
[18:57] <IntuitiveNipple>  10 files changed, 50 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-)
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> git-log --pretty=format:"%h %ci %s" -2
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> bd7cb89 2008-10-05 18:56:21 +0100 Merge branch 'timers-fixes-for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/linux-
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> 82b5188 2008-09-29 06:58:54 -0600 UBUNTU: SAUCE: e1000e: Map NV RAM dynamically only when needed.
[18:58] <CarlFK> clean HEAD - probably not - I pulled about 12 hours ago.  ill do the "git fetch -f origin..."  Otherwise, when you checkout LP254668 it will return to the state that branch was in.
[19:16] <CarlFK> I knew i shouldn't have guessed at that step...
[19:16] <CarlFK> how do I delete the branch ?
[19:17] <IntuitiveNipple> git branch -D xxxxx
[19:23] <ivoks> git is great tool :)
[19:26] <CarlFK> does this mean clean head? git checkout master;git pull; "Already up-to-date."
[19:35] <IntuitiveNipple> clean up files in the working directory that aren't in the index - possibly a "git-add ." followed by "git-commit ...", then you are working from a clean index
[19:36] <IntuitiveNipple> I have to go cook now
[19:36] <CarlFK> thanks for your help
[19:36] <CarlFK> I have been meaning to get familiar with git
[19:38] <ivoks> CarlFK: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html
[19:40] <CarlFK> how can I check to see if the changes are already in what I am checking out from  git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git
[19:41] <ivoks> open the file :)
[19:42] <CarlFK> well, I am not sure what i am looking for
[19:43] <CarlFK> this all started with: "I wonder if the patch-set contained in commit 8553f321e0fd might solve this?"
[19:43] <ivoks> check the diff from that commit
[19:43] <ivoks> git log | less
[19:43] <ivoks> look for that commit
[19:49] <CarlFK> looks like it is in there
[19:49] <CarlFK> doh.
[19:51] <ivoks> you can get diff
[19:51] <ivoks> git diff commit-1 commit
[19:52] <CarlFK> well, if i see 8553f321e0fd in git log, doesn't that mean it is already applied to git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git
[19:52] <ivoks> ?
[19:53] <ivoks> if it's in git log, then it is applied
[19:53] <CarlFK> ducky.
[19:56] <ivoks> if i'm not wrong, that's in -5 kernel
[19:56] <CarlFK> seams so.
[19:58] <ivoks> it is
[19:59] <CarlFK> rats.  cuz my box still hangs
[19:59] <ivoks> you have 5.8?
[19:59] <CarlFK> well, hang not quite right: it pauses
[20:00] <CarlFK> what is 5.8?
[20:00] <ivoks> kernel verison
[20:00] <ivoks> 2.6.27-5.8
[20:00] <ivoks> /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.27-5-generic/changelog.Debian.gz
[20:02] <CarlFK> yep
[20:03] <CarlFK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/254668
[21:13] <ivoks> hello
[21:14] <ivoks> i would like to fix bluetooth on/off on toshiba laptops in intrepid
[21:14] <ivoks> i do know that tlsup uses rfkill
[21:15] <ivoks> could someone just point me into right direction? :) i guess /etc/acpi/tosh-wireless.sh needs rewrite


[21:55] <zkriesse> AlanBell: SUP!
[22:03] <AlanBell> o/
[23:26] <AlanBell> Kickoff meeting 19:00 UTC tomorrow
[23:27] <AlanBell> I am hoping to be home on time, but that does involve a train
[23:31] <pleia2> that's during a break at scale, if the internet is decent and I'm feeling antisocial I'll try to pop in :)