[00:15] <stuntmachine> I'm curious about what is considered the "right" way of setting up an Ubuntu virtualization server.  I recently tried Proxmox, but I'd like to use something that doesn't insulate me from what's happening so much.  Also, Proxmox is based on pure Debian.  I'd rather use Ubuntu as my OS.
[00:16] <stuntmachine> I set up a basic Lucid box with KVM, but I'm not sure if a) that's the best approach, and b) if it is the correct approach, what is the most efficient way to manage it?
[00:28] <johna> Hi, I have a 11.04 server working (sort of, its a little unstable) and I wondering if i would be better off regressing to 10.04 LTS. Could somebody point me to a description of LTS support - package updates policy?
[00:29] <kim0> johna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[00:30] <johna> kimo: thanks
[00:40] <johna> OK, in the LTS versions do they keep the applications up to date (eg, is postfix kept close to the developers latest version) or is it frozen at the OPSYS release level?
[00:46] <twb> johna: all releases are stable.  That is, they do not get new versions from upstream, because new versions = new bugs.
[00:46] <twb> johna: there are exceptions: bugfixes are backported in the <release>-security area, likewise non-security critical issues are fixed in <release>-updates, and some packages have new upstream versions packaged in <release>-backports.
[00:47] <twb> Also, certain utterly utterly stupid upstreams, like firefox, violate this design because upstream are asses and make life impossible for the Debian/Ubuntu developers.
[00:53] <johna> twb: HI, I understand that, but having just moved over from Centos which did not incorporate anything new for years, eg. postfix was still on 2.2/3 while the latest is 2.8.  while I might be "happy" to a little behind, but I would prefer not to be using SW from the museum.
[00:56] <twb> Not my problem.
[00:56] <twb> If you don't like it, you can run non-LTS releases, or pre-release versions, but IMO both are a recipe for disaster.
[00:57] <twb> You can also run an LTS release and then, in some cases, cherry-pick packages that you really need to be a newer version, although that requires more experience with apt/dpkg than you probably have at this time.
[00:59] <johna> twb: is the cherry-picking approach "really" difficult or just RTFM difficult?
[01:00] <twb> It's "doing this will void your warranty" difficult
[01:00] <twb> How difficult depends on the package.  For example, eatmydata is trivial to cherry-pick, but mysql is just not gonna happen.
[01:03] <johna> twb: hell I've been doing that for years, I don't expect to do it very often and I expect if there is some "oscar winner" change then it will be included in the updates. I am more interested in including things like postscreen, or the latest drupal package.
[01:10] <twb> Granted, since you're coming from RHEL/C5 you're already used to that kind of situation.
[01:26] <johna> twb: thanks for the info, as LTS releases are ever two years things should not get too far behind. Once again thanks.
[01:26] <twb> No worries
[03:38] <jeeves_moss> is there a way to list the NTP servers you have currently in your config, but list them in order of latency?
[03:39] <twb> ntp -pqn ?
[03:39] <jeeves_moss> twb, will that list them in order?
[03:39] <twb> I can't remember what it even does
[03:40] <twb> There is some invocation that tells you how hot the known peers are
[03:41] <jeeves_moss> twb, that's what I'm looking for.  I have a bunch in the list, and I was looking for something like NameBench, but for NTP servers
[03:41] <twb> I can't work it out, but I know it's there
[03:42] <jeeves_moss> twb, is there such a program like NameBench (that does DNS servers), but for NTP?
[03:46] <twb> Here we go
[03:46] <twb> ntpq -p
[03:47] <twb> And ntpq -pn, inhibits reverse resolution
[03:47] <twb> ubottu: help memo
[03:47] <twb> Useless bot
[03:57] <jmarsden> twb: /msg memoserv help    is probably what you were looking for?
[04:02] <twb> Yeah, although some channel bots are smarter about it
[04:02] <twb> Like "foobot: tell fred blah", next time he says something in this channel, the bot will tell him in this channel
[04:03] <twb> Maybe it's just me, but I don't notice memoserv memos for *months*
[05:57] <twb> Graahgsdjahgsd
[05:57] <nigelb> cat on the keyboard detected.
[05:57] <twb> So <stupid customer> insists on floppy support in their lucid kiosk images
[05:57] <twb> And I actually get it to work, and doing final UAT today, it turns out to *not work at all anymore*
[05:58] <nigelb> ouch
[05:58] <twb> @!&#^*!^@# udisks and polkit
[05:58] <nigelb> heh
[05:59] <twb> I can't even just put an fd0 entry in /etc/fstab, because that makes nautilus and friends just ignore it
[06:00] <twb> udisks is reporting "media not found" despite a simple mount(8) call as root working fine
[06:00] <twb> And it's a bitch to debug
[06:02] <twb> Hmm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks/+bug/599915
[06:08] <twb> Looks like ubuntu basically disabled floppy support to speed up gnome on systems without floppy drives
[06:08] <twb> In an -updates patch
[08:31] <kural> How is it decided that X version of Ubuntu will be LTS ? Any info folks
[08:35] <greppy> kural: I think there is a new LTS release every 2 years.
[08:42] <kural> By micahg@ubuntu-devel  "there's an LTS release every 2 years, 12.04 will be the next LTS "
[09:11] <simmouk87> How do I recursively zip/tar current directory please?
[09:22] <memoryleak> tar -cjf /path/ archive.tbz ?
[09:24] <Jeeves_> The other way aroun, i think
[09:24] <Jeeves_> tar -cjf archive.tbz /path/
[09:25] <Myrtti> yup
[09:25] <Jeeves_> f expects a filename as the following argument iirc
[10:08] <smoser> hallyn, around ?
[11:57] <hguy> erm...
[11:58] <RoyK> wtf
[11:59] <RoyK> seems after a reboot, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/cpufreq is no longer available
[12:54] <SpamapS> Daviey: ping?
[13:22] <Daviey> SpamapS: yup
[13:23] <TeTeT> anyone else seeing an error when installing todays oneiric server image? kernel can't get install and apt-get reports 'trap divide error'
[13:23] <SpamapS> Lots of stuff flooding in to beat feature freeze :P
[13:23] <patdk-wk> tetet, maybe you should be in #ubuntu+1 :)
[13:24] <Daviey> TeTeT: yes, it was a known issue on yesterday ISO.. we thought it was resolved for the one spun today
[13:24] <Daviey> TeTeT: Can you confirm you are using the one from today?
[13:24] <Daviey> patdk-wk: It's a useful development question :)
[13:25] <patdk-wk> ya, but they normally know the issues with not-released stuff better :)
[13:25] <Daviey> patdk-wk: They know the stuff better than the developers, wow :-)
[13:26] <patdk-wk> :)
[13:26] <TeTeT> Daviey: I d/l cdimages.u.c/ubuntu-server/daily/current -> 64-bit PC (AMD64) server install CD
[13:26] <patdk-wk> I thought developers where optimistic, it always works for us
[13:27] <patdk-wk> and users are, it's always broken :)
[13:27] <TeTeT> patdk-wk: thanks, that channel is missing from my list :)
[13:27] <Daviey> TeTeT: ok thanks.. I don't think anyone from our side has tried the daily from today yet.
[13:28] <TeTeT> Daviey: md5sum is at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/662642
[13:28] <TeTeT> Daviey: no prob, I just wait another day
[13:31] <hggdh> TeTeT: server ISO build failed today
[13:31] <TeTeT> hggdh: oh, thanks
[13:36] <zul> NCommander: ping can you have a look at libvirt/lxc on arm its not starting properly
[13:38] <Daviey> TeTeT: I would suggest using A3.
[13:39] <CloudAche84> would this build issue affect the netboot files too? I have had Kernel issues for the last couple of days on my SANBoot servers..
[13:39] <TeTeT> Daviey: hmm, where can I d/l that from? Don't see it on cdimages and not on releases
[13:40] <TeTeT> Daviey: nevermind, found it on cdimages.u.c/releases
[13:43] <Daviey> TeTeT: groovy
[13:46] <smoser> soren, http://paste.ubuntu.com/662661/
[14:18] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: howdy! So how's things going around there?
[14:19] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: "ok"
[14:19] <Daviey> you?
[14:19] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: same.. :)
[14:19] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: we could probably do with a talk through using the cobbler provider for ensemble
[14:20] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah. Things have changed extensively since I sent the email about it. We are trying to get things working here but Internet connection and not having a mirror has pretty much been a waste of time for us yesterday
[14:21] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: since we couldn't even get a machine installed
[14:21] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but that should be done today, and we should be able to deploy stuff with ensemble
[14:22] <elz89> I'm new to ldap, and I am wondering if I set my FQDN to hostname.localdomain.local or hostname.externaldomain.com? I have recently bought my own .com domain name, and pointed it to my server.
[14:23] <patdk-wk> in ldap?
[14:23] <patdk-wk> it doesn't matter, it's just organizational info
[14:23] <patdk-wk> but if programs make assumptions about how it's organized
[14:30] <hallyn> smoser: no, i wasn't.
[14:30] <hallyn> smoser: 'sup?
[14:31] <elz89> patdk-wk: so should I just set it up locally, because my dhcp server's search domain is already set that way to .local
[14:31] <patdk-wk> heh?
[14:31] <patdk-wk> what does dns have to do with ldap?
[14:32] <ikonia> depends what you use as a resolver
[14:33]  * patdk-wk is confused if we are talking about dc's, or the name of the ldap server
[14:33] <ikonia> and depends if your resolving your ldap directory domain, or your dns resolver dns name
[14:33] <ikonia> I wasn't really paying attention, just answering your question
[14:35] <hallyn> don't suppose anyone is sitting around with time to do a libvirt sync today...
[14:42] <lynxman> hey hallyn o/
[14:42] <elz89> I have another server on my network running bind. I have two ubuntu servers and I am fairly new to linux  so just let me know what you need to know. :-) This is a hobby for me at home, but I am interested in learning and contributing in the future.
[14:42] <lynxman> hallyn: your name has been mentioned several times around here today
[14:43] <hallyn> lynxman: network's too laggy to scroll up much
[14:43] <hallyn> lynxman: what's up?
[14:44] <lynxman> hallyn: we had some issues finding a sane lxc.conf default config
[14:44] <lynxman> hallyn: we solved it by spawning lxc through libvirt xml, it works fine
[14:44] <lynxman> hallyn: trying to debug what's missing to make openstack + lxc (on libvirt) work properly on diablo
[14:45] <Ganymede> Anyone here ever migrated NetBackup over to a new machine by manually copying/placing files rather than going through the installation wizard/script? I'm trying to restore a NetBackup server installation from a failed drive. I just copied over a few directories and when I run /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/jnbSA and log in, I don't see the usual tree of items on the left hand side.
[14:49] <soren> hallyn: Hi. The container environment variable you check for inthe lxcguest upstart job... Where's that meant to be set?
[14:51] <hallyn> soren: by lxc-start or libvirt's lxc driver
[14:51] <hallyn> soren: otherwise it doesn't get set, and we assume we're not in a container
[14:52] <smoser> the environment variable 'container'
[14:52] <soren> hallyn: So you set the environment variable and exec init inside the guest?
[14:52] <smoser> we're thinking that is not getting set
[14:52] <hallyn> soren: yes
[14:52] <hallyn> smoser: in libvirt they now set LIBVIRT_LXC_UUID or somesuch
[14:52] <soren> hallyn: Yes.
[14:52] <soren> hallyn: We see that one.
[14:52] <soren> Those ones, I mean.
[14:53] <soren> LIBVIRT_LXC_{UUID,NAME} specifically.
[14:53] <hallyn> lynxman: a starting point for a lxc.conf is /usr/share/doc/lxc/examples/lxc-veth.conf.  Maybe we should add a lxc-libvirt.conf that will work when default libvirt is set up
[14:53] <soren> ..but not container.
[14:53] <hallyn> right.  container is no longer being set in libvirt
[14:53] <soren> Oh.
[14:53] <soren> So..
[14:53] <soren> Oh.
[14:53] <smoser> so lxcguest needs update
[14:53] <soren> So lxcguest needs.
[14:53] <hallyn> it has one
[14:53] <soren> right.
[14:54] <smoser> not in archive
[14:54] <soren> hallyn: What does that mean?
[14:54] <hallyn> at least in oneiric it does
[14:55] <hallyn> maybe that didn't make its way back into natty...
[14:55] <hallyn> grep LXC_UUID lxc/debian/lxcguest*.updatert
[14:55] <soren> We're running oneiric.
[14:55] <hallyn> oneiric guests?
[14:55] <soren> err...
[14:55] <smoser> oneiric on oneiric
[14:55] <soren> I'm not.
[14:55] <soren> Sorry.
[14:55] <soren> smoser is, though.
[14:56] <soren> Allegedly :)
[14:56] <soren> I'm running natty on Oneiric.
[14:56] <smoser> <IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu6
[14:56] <hallyn> soren: feh, yeah we need to fix that in natty.  do you midn opening a bug?
[14:56] <hallyn> as for smoser, i don't know what's going on
[14:56] <hallyn> i'll blame cloud-init :)
[14:57] <smoser> ok..
[14:57] <smoser> so yeah, definiteliy soren and i are seeing different issues
[14:58] <smoser> hallyn, you also need to fix oneiric
[14:58] <smoser> so oneiric guest on natty host
[14:58] <hallyn> that should work fine
[14:59] <hallyn> 'in theory'
[15:00] <smoser> hallyn, yeah, i see that.
[15:00] <smoser> ok..
[15:00] <smoser> so i'll poke more
[15:08] <hallyn> smb: bug 795717 is gonna need kernel luv
[15:08] <hallyn> smb: and is still in oneiric kernel
[15:15] <koolhead17> Daviey, ping
[15:16] <Daviey> koolhead17: o/
[15:17] <Daviey> contentless pings suck.
[15:17] <koolhead17> Daviey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbconfig-common/+bug/807038  :(
[15:19] <Daviey> koolhead17: :(
[15:19] <koolhead17> Daviey, do i have to mail at debian mailing list for that? :D
[15:20] <smoser> hallyn, you there?
[15:20] <hallyn> smoser: yes
[15:20] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/662729/
[15:20] <smoser> that is cat /proc/mounts inside a oneiric on oneiric lxc guest
[15:21] <hallyn> smoser: soren: Daviey: from waht you know, do you think bumping oneiric's libvirt to 0.9.3-4 (sync from debian) today is likely to break some things?
[15:21] <Daviey> koolhead17: I would see if TREllis can offer a suggestion, he had a similar issue recently
[15:21] <hallyn> smoser: looking
[15:21] <Daviey> hallyn: I have NFI.
[15:21] <smoser> lynxman, thinks it can't make anything worse
[15:21] <smoser> :)
[15:21] <lynxman> hallyn: will just shake things up :)
[15:21]  * robbiew covers his eyes
[15:21] <Daviey> hallyn: Have you sniffed the new debian changes?
[15:22] <smoser> hallyn, note in that /proc/mounts that /dev/ is mounted over the top of /dev/pts
[15:22] <hallyn> Daviey: not really
[15:22] <Daviey> hallyn: That is probably a good first action. :)
[15:22] <hallyn> Daviey: other than to see that things are volatile there
[15:22]  * koolhead17 bows to robbiew
[15:22] <smoser>  /lib/init/fstab.lxc is properly mount-binded over /lib/init/fstab
[15:22] <koolhead17> seems like i have missed some action here.
[15:22] <hallyn> smoser: and do you in fact not have /dev/pts/ptmx?
[15:22] <hallyn> smoser: uh, but you're under libvirt aren't yoU?
[15:23] <lynxman> smoser: yesh
[15:23] <lynxman> hallyn: I mean, yes
[15:23] <hallyn> then /lib/init/fstab.libvirt is supposed to be used...
[15:23] <smoser> hallyn, yes, i am...
[15:23] <smoser> ah..
[15:23] <smoser> wait
[15:24] <hallyn> ok, well this is in openstack or something, right?  have you tried on a simple ec2 clean install?
[15:24] <hallyn> (if not i'll try)
[15:24] <koolhead17> Daviey, so i would prefer working on something else then
[15:24] <smoser> hallyn, well this is me running under libvirt directly
[15:24] <hallyn> uh, no i won't, i'm not sure how to mimic your env :)
[15:24] <smoser> hallyn, its fairly trivial
[15:25] <lynxman> hallyn: we're running an image through libvirt with lxc and same image with openstack + lxc (which uses libvirt)
[15:25] <smoser> hallyn, i can set up a clean libvirt only for you to poke at if you'd like
[15:25] <smoser> hallyn, one thing that needs to be fixed
[15:25] <smoser> fstab.libvirt says:
[15:25] <smoser>  # /lib/init/fstab.lxc: static file system information.
[15:25] <smoser> (comment is wrong/very-confusing)
[15:26] <hallyn> i'll queue that up in my queued oneiric lxc changes
[15:26] <baffle> Hum, why does "virsh pool-start" try to do "/sbin/vgchange -an lvmvg"? It is allready active, with lots of logical volumes in use...
[15:26] <baffle> For some strange reason libvirt doesn't acknowledge that it is active allready, and I can't start it... Thus unable to start any new VMs with images in the volume group.
[15:26] <smoser> hallyn, do you want to poke at the system ?
[15:26] <hallyn> smoser: i suppose
[15:27] <smoser><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:27] <hallyn> if you're gonna make me :)
[15:27] <gac> hi guys, I saw the post on the Planet about reviewing the server tech guide and thought I might give it a go. Is there a good URL for "getting started with bzr", as I'm not familiar with bzr (nor dvcs in general) so not sure how to go about uploading any changes...
[15:30] <smoser> hallyn, i see the bug
[15:30] <hallyn> oh?
[15:31] <lynxman> gac: a good start would be the bazaar wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr
[15:31] <Daviey> koolhead17: Sorry, you'll need to use more words.
[15:32] <hallyn> don't keep me in susspense
[15:32] <koolhead17> Daviey, i meant i will leave using dbconfig-common for a while and work on something else then
[15:32] <hallyn> eh, i'm gonna get some yoghurt.  i blame robbiew. biam
[15:32] <gac> cheers lynxman, I'll give that a read tonight and perhaps have a go at "proofreading" the manual
[15:33] <lynxman> gac: that would be pretty awesome, any feedback is welcome ;)=
[15:34] <gac> well, not sure I'll bring much to the party as I'm sure it's evolved very well over the years, but I fancy a change so some "technical reviewing" might be quite useful and looks like work, so I can spend an hour here and there browsing through it for a break ;)
[15:36] <Daviey> koolhead17: oh ok.  If you want to help resolve it, that would be most appreciated.
[15:36] <Daviey> it's kinda a busy time for us all right now.
[15:36] <koolhead17> oneric. and i will file the same bug there too
[15:37] <koolhead17> unfortunately
[15:37] <Daviey> koolhead17: the bug you raised defaults to targetting oneiric
[15:37] <koolhead17> Daviey, ooh. cool :)
[15:40] <hallyn> smoser: well shoot me the fix, and i'll push a new pkg.  oh, i mean, i'll send you the debdiff so you can push a new pkg, core-dev-boy :)
[15:44] <smoser> still worlking, hallyn
[15:57] <zul> hallyn: where did qemu-system-arm go?
[16:00] <hallyn> zul: into qemu-user
[16:01] <zul> hallyn: ok thanks
[16:02] <zul> (trying to get libvirt working on)
[16:14] <smb> zul, So the xen-4.1.1, even with fixing up hvmloader seems to cause me new pain with HVM. Do you know whether there is newer changes to 4.1.1 pending already?
[16:15] <zul> smb: there could be i havent had a chance to look yet
[16:16] <zul> smb: ill have a look at it tomorrow
[16:16] <smb> zul, oK, i need to search through the archive. Somehow I was feeling to have seen something about device emulation but ignored it in the past
[16:16] <zul> kk
[16:25] <adam_g> negronjl: ping
[16:25] <negronjl> adam_g: pong
[16:26] <adam_g> negronjl: how did you confirm that bug #816169
[16:26] <adam_g> ...was fixed?
[16:26] <adam_g> i just tested the same AMI and had failure on multiple formulas
[16:27] <negronjl> adam_g:  I have been working on a formula that was failing on apt-add-repository.  I shutdown my ensemble environment, changed my environment.yaml file, bootstrapped and re-deployed the formula ( now using apt-add-repository ) and it works now.
[16:28] <adam_g> hmm
[16:28] <negronjl> adam_g: shutting down my env and will try again...give me a few
[16:28] <adam_g> negronjl: just bootstrapped a fresh environment as wel and used that same AMI
[16:31] <negronjl> adam_g:  deploying now...a few more minutes
[16:34] <negronjl> adam_g: apt-add-repository seems to be properly adding the repos to /etc/apt/sources.list.d just fine.
[16:35] <negronjl> adam_g:  never mind....it's still failing :/
[16:35] <adam_g> ok.. thanks
[16:35] <negronjl> adam_g:  I should clarify...the files are there in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[16:35] <negronjl> but
[16:35] <adam_g> right
[16:35] <negronjl> I still see errors on the logs about it
[16:35] <negronjl> adam_g:  I'll re-open that bug
[16:36] <adam_g> yeah, it succeeds in importing them but something is still broken. certain python libraries later fail to install, for me
[16:36] <adam_g> negronjl: thanks
[16:38] <robbiew> zul: looks like http://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-openstack needs some love...DONEs and POSTPONEDs would be nice ;)
[16:38] <zul> robbiew: okies
[16:39] <negronjl> how do I re-open a bug in launchpad ??
[16:39] <robbiew> SpamapS: http://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-mysql feels lonely and sad :(....defer?
[16:39] <robbiew> zul: thx
[16:40] <SpamapS> robbiew: some of it wil get deferred yeah, its targetted at beta right?
[16:40] <robbiew> RoAkSoAx: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-powernap-improvements looks like it's going to need some POSTPONEs...no?
[16:41] <adam_g> negronjl: the triangles in each of the affects rows, then mark it as confirmed
[16:41] <robbiew> SpamapS: yep...no worries, just reminder ;)
[16:43] <negronjl> adam_g:  I can't do that.  I'll talk to iamfuzz to see if he has that option
[16:43] <robbiew> zul: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-xen-host can also use a little love and re-targeting as well
[16:44] <zul> robbiew: k will do so  tonight
[16:44] <adam_g> negronjl: i can, hold on
[16:44] <robbiew> zul: cool deal..thx
[16:44] <negronjl> adam_g:  k
[16:45] <negronjl> adam_g:  it's now confirmed
[16:45] <adam_g> cool
[17:18] <NCommander> zuthere are more serious kernel issues with LXC on ARM ATM
[17:22] <Ursinha> gema: welcome to QA!
[18:42] <elz89> What does this part define "dc: Example" in the top level front end config for ldap?
[18:47] <elz89> Do I need to put the hostname of my Domain Controller?
[18:48] <thisismygame> Does anyone have experience setting up virtualbox with rdp access? I just installed ubuntu from a natty minimal cd, got virtualbox installed with apt-get (so the package name is called virtualbox-ose) and I enabled VRDE in vbox. I am still unable to connect. I think because there is nothing listed in netstat -l for port 3389. Do I need to manually add something on the ubuntu host?
[18:49] <KM0201> thisismygame: whats the IP of the virtual machine?
[18:49] <RoyK> thisismygame: try netstat -ln
[18:49] <KM0201> will that work, if he doesn't have vbox calling for its own IP?
[18:50] <RoyK> hm.. nope
[18:50] <RoyK> never used VRDE myself - I've used the vbox from virtualbox.org, which has RDP server hosting from the host address (not the guest)
[18:51] <thisismygame> KM0201: win2000 vm: <IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu host: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:51] <KM0201> thisismygame: see, i was right
[18:51] <KM0201> you need to set the guest, to call for its own IP.
[18:51] <KM0201> thisismygame: shut down the virtual os.
[18:51] <KM0201> right click the virtual machine/settings
[18:51] <RoyK> thisismygame: it's probably better to use bridging if you want the guest to be easily accessible
[18:51] <thisismygame> KM0201: so you're saying there is no way to do this using the NAT default networking
[18:51] <KM0201> go to network.. on the adapter, set it from "NAT" to "bridged".. that will make the guest OS, call for its own IP
[18:52] <thisismygame> KM0201: i've done it using bridged mode before
[18:52] <thisismygame> Right
[18:52] <KM0201> i would use bridged for what you're wanting to do.
[18:52] <thisismygame> fine
[18:52] <thisismygame> thank you
[18:56] <KM0201> RoyK: i'm having a minor prob... i've mounted my RAID at /media/NAS
[18:56] <KM0201> i want to create some sub folders on "NAS".. that only a particular user will have access to.
[18:56] <KM0201> via samba
[18:57] <RoyK> erm.. create the dir and chown it to the user, chmod go-rwx ?
[18:57] <RoyK> !chmod
[18:57] <KM0201> i already read that... lemme read again see if i'm missing something
[19:02] <tarvid> can I put some sort of reflector for VPN on 11.04 to facilitate a connection between private IPs?
[19:13] <RoAkSoAx> robbiew: yes I'll postpone everything left for powernap (sorry for the delay :))
[19:14] <robbiew> RoAkSoAx: cool, thx....no worries ;)
[19:18] <kurtza> hi anyone seen kim0
[19:18] <grendal-prime_> ok i need two create an extra interface on a physcal box so i can bridge it to a vnet
[19:19] <grendal-prime_> the box is acting as a router so eth0 is inside, eth1 is internet facing. I want to use iptables to masquarded and sourcenat info toe eth2 wich is actually bridged to br0 if that makes any sence?
[19:25] <kurtza> dude sorry for being nosy but what exactly are you trying to achieve
[19:38] <KM0201> RoyK: thanks for the link, not sure what i was doing wrong, but i did it all again, and now it works fine.
[19:38] <KM0201> obviously i missed a step somewhere
[20:00] <skrite> hey all
[20:02] <T3CHKOMMIE> ,hey everyone!
[20:04] <skrite> T3CHKOMMIE: hey
[20:04] <T3CHKOMMIE> im looking for a netboot solution. i heard of a linux flavor of OS that lets you load iso or images and serves them up Via PXE. does anyone know the name of it? im trying to set up something here at work that will let me do remote OS installes by booting on lan and pointing to a PXE server hosting my images. any ideas?
[20:04] <skrite> hey all, what kind of networking hardware do i need to look into to build a mysql-cluster with three machines
[20:04] <grendal-prime_> kurtza, i need to bridge the device to a vlan
[20:05] <grendal-prime_> for virtual enviroment
[20:06] <grendal-prime_> most distros you can just crate a bridge call it br0 you dont have to fastne it to anything really but ubuntu does not like that brecause its ...well lets face it kinda illogical
[20:37] <gema> Ursinha: thanks!
[20:38] <Ursinha> gema: :)
[20:43] <hggdh> gema: still working? ;-)
[21:02] <tcsadmin> anyone here use centrify express to join ubuntu server to AD?
[21:29] <malev> folks! what's the frequency of this cron task? */5 * * * * /home/ubuntu/AE/scripts/staging/ae_jobs_custom_staging.sh >> /home/ubuntu/AE/logs/jobs_custom.1.out.log 2>&1
[21:35] <lixxus> guy is there a gui for ubuntu server
[21:36] <lixxus> such as lamp gui as webmin
[21:37] <tcsadmin> lixxus -yes but majority of ubuntu servers don't have gui installed
[21:38] <lixxus> yes  i know
[21:38] <lixxus> but for linux noob like me
[21:38] <lixxus> configuring files etc through backend command is scary
[21:38] <tcsadmin> lixxus - yeah, command line can be a bit scary but that's how it's done, not via gui
[21:39] <lixxus> is there any recommendation for novice users like me
[21:39] <tcsadmin> lixxus - i'd get comfortabel with ubuntu desktop gui first then make the transition to server
[21:40] <Ursinha> lixxus: I'd say: you'll get used to that :)
[21:40] <lixxus> i am familar with ubuntu desktop
[21:40] <lixxus> comfortable with ubuntu desktop
[21:40] <tcsadmin> lixxus - i'd said take the plunge and forget about the gui then
[21:41] <lixxus> however command line through putty seems long winded
[21:41] <tcsadmin> lixxus - you'll learn a heck of a lot more about ubuntu server thru the command line
[21:41] <tcsadmin> lixxus - long winded but you'll learn more, trust me on that
[21:41] <lixxus> yes but its all about saving time
[21:41] <tcsadmin> lixxus - ubuntu server i very popular so you'll never get stuck for long
[21:42] <tcsadmin> and you will get better/faster as time goes
[21:42] <lixxus> long term it might be good learning, but i dont have time to mess about.
[21:42] <tcsadmin> what are you trying to do?
[21:42] <lixxus> the aim of the server is for mail,web, possibly voip
[21:43] <lixxus> there are tailored solution unique to each function, however i would rather create my own
[21:43] <tcsadmin> you can get the base ubuntu LAMP server going in about 10-15 mins
[21:44] <lixxus> the other suggestion provided to me is to install esxi server and install each server for each function
[21:44] <tcsadmin> function you mention that, i was going to suggest vmware!
[21:44] <lixxus> however i will be running the system on a atom d410 processor 2gb ram
[21:44] <lixxus> so i dont know if vmware will be powerful enough
[21:44] <tcsadmin> vmware is pretty slick but one unknown at a time!
[21:45] <tcsadmin> yeah, you need pretty good hardware for vmware
[21:45] <lixxus> anyone run ubuntu server on atom system ?
[21:46] <tcsadmin> it should work so i say go for it
[21:46] <tcsadmin> i run some test server with a lot less hardware than what you have
[21:48] <lixxus> so there is no server based distro that can be configured from gui
[21:52] <tcsadmin> lixxus - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI well good luck with your setup, i'm off.


[00:36] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:37] <knome> hello seany sean
[00:38] <bluesabre> hey there pasii pasi
[00:38] <knome> haha
[00:39] <bluesabre> working on new sgt-launcher release/package to get this thing uploaded
[00:39] <knome> nice
[02:12]  * bluesabre knows pybuild was supposed to make debian packaging easy, but >.<
[02:29] <Unit193> ...You don't think it does?
[02:43] <bluesabre> gets messy with gtk apps
[02:44] <bluesabre> Unit193, been wrestling with doing it "correctly", result https://launchpadlibrarian.net/297291441/sgt-launcher_0.2.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[08:31] <Unit193> knome: Can you auto-discard *.date?
[20:28] <flocculant> bluesabre: doncha just love updates to things that were working before updating ... http://i.imgur.com/3lfF8yN.png
[20:29] <flocculant> nothing showing in indicator panel now the upstart patch is dropped
[20:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: rebuilding 64bit now, if I get time I'll look tonight
[21:11] <knome> Unit193, done
[21:12] <Unit193> Danke.
[21:15] <flocculant> evening knome Unit193
[21:15] <knome> hello flocculant
[21:26] <Unit193> Howdy.
[21:27] <mchl_nix> Hi Unit193
[21:40] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1648889
[21:44] <flocculant> pinged xnox in -release about it too
[21:54] <Unit193> Of course it breaks it, that's how it's telling them to launch,
[21:54] <flocculant> wouldn't know
[21:55] <flocculant> I can be sarky on the bug report - probably won't help much though
[22:01] <Unit193> Wow, he seriously just dropped the patch...  That's awesome.
[22:01] <flocculant> yup
[22:02] <flocculant> would probably help if someone at least confirmed it - which likely doesn't need anyone to even check :p
[22:35] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:36] <bluesabre> flocculant, thanks for the note
[22:36] <bluesabre> lovely news. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1641300
[22:36] <knome> :)
[22:44] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 17.04 - i386 - i386 built.
[23:22] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 17.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.


[13:09] <Ashtefere> is there anything i need to do to get lan working on my eee-pc?
[14:28] <_Andrew> Plug in the lan cable?


[06:17] <Overlap> good news : Ubuntu gone mad after receiving updates
[06:18] <Overlap> not reading flash drive or any other USB device
[06:18] <SeriouslyLaugh> sorry Overlap i thought you were asking about other general ubuntu channels -- this one isn't for support topics
[06:19] <Overlap> then ?
[06:19] <Overlap> development ?
[06:19] <SeriouslyLaugh> no, just use the main #ubuntu channel
[06:21] <Overlap> ok
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:36] <OerHeks> :-)
[13:36] <OerHeks> waiting for mircx1 to paste multiple lines in #ubuntu :-D
[13:43] <pauljw> hi everyone
[13:44] <OerHeks> hi paul
[13:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[13:45] <pauljw> :)
[13:52] <daftykins> greetings o/
[13:53] <pauljw> hey daftykins
[14:22] <daftykins> i think my xbox got a bit confused
[14:22] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/faj56in8bztf9xn/VID_20151212_140056.mp4?dl=0
[14:34] <OerHeks> No, that is correct, daftykins :-D
[14:34] <daftykins> XD
[14:45] <daftykins> my friend is part of a community outreach program that's giving out bikes to children in Texas schools that improve their reading skills, today
[14:45] <daftykins> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RmhFXcPv/irccloudcapture1424503164.jpg
[14:45] <daftykins> :D
[14:46] <daftykins> i think i should take one to do some downhill on ;)
[14:46] <EriC^^> cool
[14:46] <EriC^^> haha :D
[15:08] <TJ-> Have you guys seen the hexo+ autonomous camera drone? I'm ordering 1 and a GoPro to patrol the farm :)
[15:10] <TJ-> https://hexoplus.com/product/hexo_drone_3d
[15:11] <pauljw> sweet
[15:11] <daftykins> :O
[15:11] <TJ-> I can imagine it following the huskies when they run off :D
[15:11] <daftykins> gotta say hexcopter now i guess
[15:11] <daftykins> XD
[15:12] <pauljw> heheh... yeah, huskies do love to run
[15:12] <daftykins> TJ-: i am now hoping for a wintery Christmas music backed video of running huskies
[15:12] <TJ-> just need to fit it with a vert loud speaker so I can SHOUT at them to make them come back :
[15:12] <TJ-> daftykins: don't get your hopes up... I'm already fed up of cleaning the mud off them every day, and no sign of freezing weather
[15:12] <pauljw> :)
[15:14] <TJ-> The problem is, I'll have to design and build robotic battert replacement stations since it only has about 10 minutes flying time... it'll have to land, have the robot swap in a new battery, and take off again :D
[15:14] <pauljw> that would be something to see
[15:20] <daftykins> TJ-: d'aww
[15:21] <daftykins> TJ-: i took apart this subwoofer of mine that's on the blink, took some almost passable photos - would you mind taking a glance and suggesting whether it looks like an easy to repair or one for the bin situation?
[15:22] <daftykins> they're not even vaguely going to be high quality enough to see much on a component level mind
[15:23] <daftykins> i'm not sure if you were able to wrestle the dropbox links into working? https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wdsfqzf7x32pmo4/AABIpzgvtgI8E5jz-Y50OlnJa?dl=0
[15:25] <daftykins> i'm thinking it's going to be uneconomical to do much with
[15:53] <Bashing-om> I awoke earky this Saturday, yukkie outside, so here I am . What can we learn today ?
[15:54] <daftykins> :)
[15:55] <OerHeks> yukkie outside here too, small raindrops that makes you more wet than a thunderstorm
[15:55] <OerHeks> we call it dog-weather.
[15:55] <daftykins> hehe
[15:55]  * OerHeks has to go outside to walk the dog :-(
[15:55] <daftykins> i've got 2 hours to kill before i go and put this new router in for the friend
[15:56] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Good evening (yours) to ya !
[15:56] <daftykins> :D ty!
[15:57] <Bashing-om> I spent big bucks in fenceing - so I wouild not have to "walk" our dogs !
[15:58] <daftykins> my dads always having to replace panels that blow down over here :S
[15:59] <Bashing-om> Aye, the more you do the more you have to do . If ya use it, ya got to fix it !
[16:31] <TJ-> grrr, need that drone camera now! Storms blew a gate open, Pepper's gone, been searching for her the last hour, but its dark now
[16:31] <daftykins> :(
[16:31] <daftykins> that's annoying
[16:33] <TJ-> Been around the perimeter and (very deep mud) tracks, so I'm damp and dirty :)
[16:34] <TJ-> daftykins: dropbox seems to get worse; it simply isn't loading anything. just says "connecting to fonts.googleapis.com ..." (when are site's going to learn to host their own damn content!)
[16:37] <daftykins> http://techblo.gg/stuff/sub.zip
[16:37] <daftykins> my mistake, should've thrown it on mine direct to begin with :)
[16:41] <TJ-> daftykins: how is it 'on the blink' ?
[16:45] <pauljw> i feel your pain TJ- many years ago i had a siberian husky 'Boo' that was impossible to keep at home.  he loved me to death but was just as happy to love me from 5 miles away as he was at home where he belonged... :(
[16:47] <TJ-> pauljw: She has always come back in the past, after about 5 hours, but she has a habit of heading onto a major road a mile away and it being dark now, not good. She also didn't have her collar on because she'd just got back from a proper run with me.
[16:47] <pauljw> oh  man, gonna be a long night of worry... sorry.
[16:48] <daftykins> TJ-: it's one that goes into standby when it's not receiving a signal it needs to work with, with a small pop as it goes into standby if not. it basically works every morning for the first 'activation' but then double pops now and then won't come back out
[16:49] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I too feel for ya .. We have lost so many dogs to that black top . The major reason for the fenseing .. and the effort to keep them dog proof .
[16:50] <TJ-> daftykins: capacitors
[16:51] <TJ-> Bashing-om: we've got 2m high hurricane fencing, but the storm blew a gate open and she'd gone outside for a pee and discovered it I guess.
[16:52] <daftykins> hrmm guess i better find someone to replace the whole set, i don't solder :(
[16:53] <TJ-> daftykins: any of the electrolytic can capacitors got obviously bulging tops, or signs of leakage around their base?
[16:53] <daftykins> nah, it all looked totally fine
[16:54] <daftykins> by chance a friend in another channel had a sub do the same thing, he's suggesting possible loose connections to the speaker itself
[16:54] <daftykins> loose and shorting
[16:54] <TJ-> daftykins: could be one of the power transistors failing after it warms up
[16:54] <daftykins> annoyingly that's as far as i could get the board out, as they wired it so short!
[16:54] <TJ-> loose connections aren't so likely if it pops without being physically disturbed
[16:55] <daftykins> the speaker movement from it powering off wouldn't be enough?
[16:55] <TJ-> It looks like you can unplug the 2 power connectors that go to the transformer inside the box
[16:55] <daftykins> yeah, it's the red and black in the middle that are soldered direct from speaker cone to board
[16:55] <daftykins> they're super short
[16:56] <TJ-> unlikely with those kinds of connections, they're pretty rugged. If it's pop-ing that suggests an unexpected discharge when it goes into standby, which would be triggered by a small signal transistor monitoring the input power level
[16:57] <TJ-> oh, those! that's annoying
[17:00] <daftykins> mmm, they wanted £60 and it posted to London to get looked at
[17:00] <daftykins> then i'd have to arrange a return courier too!
[17:01] <TJ-> any 1/2 way competent audio engineer should be able to figure that out, got any radio HAMs locally you can call on?
[17:03] <daftykins> mmm, could try this AV shop a mates dad runs
[17:04] <daftykins> i would imagine that if i had the skills, it wouldn't be worth it if it weren't mine
[17:08] <TJ-> there's a slim possibility its caused by a dry-joint/solder cracking caused by the speaker vibration. Reflowing solder on the most stressed connections could solve that (the power transistors attached to the heatsink, mainly)
[17:10] <daftykins> haha, could i be really ghetto and throw it in the oven? ;)
[17:11] <TJ-> No!
[17:12] <daftykins> aww :)
[17:12] <TJ-> Well you could... as long as you eat it when it comes out!
[17:13] <daftykins> i can't even detach the board myself to pass on to someone to look at
[17:13] <daftykins> the £78 Yamaha on amazon is looking quite tempting :(
[17:14] <TJ-> is it possible to open up the box itself? maybe there are accessible clips/screws through that PCB mounting apeture
[17:15] <daftykins> lots of screws on the cone itself, so i might be able to release that and take a look on that end
[17:15] <daftykins> most likely soldered double though and so needs detaching
[17:16] <TJ-> sometimes the speaker use slide-on tab connectors
[17:17] <daftykins> ooh that could be useful then. thanks for your input as always :D
[17:17] <daftykins> entertainment just doesn't sound right without a working sub there
[17:19] <daftykins> right i've gotta get my gear together for this job
[17:21] <TJ-> I have a sub to rest my feet on, it doubles as a calf massager :)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> heh, my old sub has seen better days. Think the voice coil is turning purple ...aka losing it's power handling ability
[17:26] <daftykins> o0
[17:27] <BluesKaj> might buy a new driver for that size enclosure and seal it ...reflex tuning is setup for a driver's paramters and new one won't perform peoperly in an enclosure tuned for diifferent speaker
[17:27] <BluesKaj> properly even
[17:28] <BluesKaj> anyway it's almost 20yrs old, time for something new
[17:29] <daftykins> cor! :)
[19:22] <daftykins> yay, in and out fitting that new router in just one hour
[19:24] <pauljw> :)
[19:24] <Bashing-om> daftykins: When you know - nothing to it, huh .. ya do good work !
[19:25] <daftykins> ;)
[19:25] <daftykins> broadband login was wrong that the landlord gave me though, i had to phone up the ISP - at first she said she'd refuse as i don't pay the bill... but i managed to sweet talk her into some kindness
[19:25] <daftykins> "i'll tell you what i have, then you can correct me" ;)
[19:26] <pauljw> she should be fired.. lol  j/k
[19:26] <daftykins> :D
[19:26] <daftykins> that's the excuse for everything nowadays, "sorry i can't, Data protection, blah blah"
[19:26] <pauljw> yep
[19:27] <daftykins> i phoned up the satellite TV service operators in the UK, "Sky", told them i was receiving email for someone elses account "sorry we can't help, data protection"
[19:27] <daftykins> "thanks" i said, "i'll just keep enjoying reading about what your customer watches"
[19:28] <Bashing-om> ^^ Why I do not so MS " proprietary information, we will give you a work-a-round " . If I did not want to know I would not have asked !
[19:36] <TJ-> daftykins: You know what your response should be to that statement? "OK, I'll report your lapse to the Information Commissioners Office so they can issue you with an Enforcement Notice"
[19:37] <daftykins> o0
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> good evening mates
[19:38] <daftykins> heya o/
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[19:38] <pauljw> :)
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[19:39] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: oh -oh: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/arch-linux-devs-will-no-longer-support-kde-4-say-kde-plasma-5-5-is-stable-enough-497527.shtml
[19:41] <daftykins> i didn't think arch folks did things based on stability ;)
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: did yiur customer pickup his laptop already?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, if plasma 5 has all the changes that are advertized then I can live with it since some of my fav features are back ...sort of.
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> aha
[19:42] <BluesKaj> plasma 5.5
[19:42] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: nah he cancelled on today in the end, said he couldn't find a parking space here in town :D coming tomorrow morning instead
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: someone gonna be happy with bootspeed :p
[19:44] <daftykins> ah he's gotten to the age where he doesn't even really care so much about things like that now, so i'm not sure if he'll even notice
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> lollll
[19:44] <daftykins> old friend of my dads, i still remember going along with him to help this friend set up his then brand spanking new Pentium III Dell :)
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: so, what does matter for him?
[19:45] <daftykins> just working with that 27" monitor i got so he can see architects drawings :)
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> :p
[20:44] <TJ-> 5 1/2 hours later... Pepper returns, very wet and be-draggled, and hungry :)
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> :p
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> did he go walk alone?
[20:45] <OerHeks> I would let him wait another 1/2 hour
[20:46] <pauljw> great news TJ- !!
[20:46] <pauljw> i'll sleep better tonight...
[20:48] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Did you walk Pepper back to the gate and tell him a 'No No ' ?
[20:50] <TJ-> 'she' ... whenever she goes, it's always about 5-6 hours when she returns
[20:51] <TJ-> Bashing-om: no, I just make her feel very very welcome and praise her and fuss her
[20:51] <pauljw> :D
[20:52] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Yeah, I find that the best .. I have 2 dogs inside the fence, with love they no longer run out when the gates are opened . They so want to please .
[20:53] <OerHeks> Drabber never leaves me out of sight.
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: never heard of a dog leave alone
[20:54] <TJ-> Once Huskies have a focus it is very hard to break into it. We've had a south-westerly storm blowing all day carrying in some attractive smells - I think she put her nose into the wind and followed them
[20:54] <lotuspsychje> its like a wolf in the wild..
[20:55] <pauljw> they're hard wired to run...
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> our newspaper posted a dog with cam tied to back recently, and attacked by 2 wolves
[20:55] <TJ-> It looks like she went into the 'wilderness' area chasing Rabbits and Pheasant scents, rather than towards the major roads. I don't mind so much if that is the case.
[20:55] <Bashing-om> Back before the fences ( and neighbors ) had an Alaskan husky .. I have no idea how large his territory was . Make his rounds and come back home several hours later .
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: not skared they get attacked by bigger species?
[20:56] <TJ-> Bashing-om: that's it - I was looking at a 30,000 acre property in Scotland a few weeks ago and thinking, 'if we built a house in the middle of that it might just be large enough to keep the Huskies happy' !
[20:56] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no.. they can run fast, too :)
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> half animal/half pet, i love it!
[20:57] <Bashing-om> TJ-: 'They' have such a huge territory to defend and take care of !
[20:57] <lotuspsychje> like that character from the hobbit
[21:00] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: you describing me? :P
[21:00] <lotuspsychje> loool
[21:01] <OerHeks> Bagins?
[21:02] <TJ-> I've been called worse :D
[21:02] <pauljw> Gollum...
[21:02] <lotuspsychje> nooo
[21:02] <lotuspsychje> beorn
[21:02] <lotuspsychje> half man half bear
[21:06] <lotuspsychje> nice lil fella :p
[21:06] <TJ-> Pepper is fast asleep on the sofa now :)
[21:06] <daftykins> :D
[21:07] <lotuspsychje> warm and cosy inside
[21:07] <daftykins> they know not what drama they bring!
[21:07] <TJ-> so true.. she's got the attitude 'I don't object to all this fuss, but what's it for?'
[21:09] <TJ-> I'm actually very pleased that she does return; when we got her it was obvious she'd been very badly treated since a very young pup and she had to learn to trust us and lose her agression and suspicion. Now her favorite thing is to roll over exposing her tummy and having it tickled. Took about 18 months for her to get to that stage.
[21:10] <pauljw> awesome
[21:13] <TJ-> Hmmm, huskyOS ... with two flavours, Silver and Pepper :)
[21:13] <pauljw> :)
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> happy husky LTS
[21:15] <TJ-> that's catchy!
[21:15] <TJ-> and the codename of the development version is 'runaway'
[21:16] <BluesKaj> while growing up our family dog had been abused and paractically starved to death 'til a dog loving neighbour took pity on the poor pup, a fox hound cross breed, and brought him home from the pub where the dog was abandoned. He thought we would be a good fit and he was right ...we had him for 17 good yrs
[21:16] <TJ-> They reward you so much when you give them care and reliability and trust
[21:17] <BluesKaj> absolutely
[21:17] <daftykins> :)
[21:19] <TJ-> And keep me fit for sure, all the chasing about
[21:20] <pauljw> no doubt
[21:21] <daftykins> my cat had an alcoholic previous owner who did who knows what to her, she's super skittish as a result but likes to curl up on my lap; i got a good shot of her today: http://i.imgur.com/FAejB7H.jpg
[21:22] <pauljw> pretty cat
[21:26] <TJ-> daftykins: looks the first cat I had as a kid, called Smartie
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: nice1 black n white
[21:29] <daftykins> :D
[21:29] <daftykins> tux cat!
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:32] <daftykins> hmm guy questions an optical drive working and hasn't tried 2 discs o0
[21:34] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Oh. the hand holding that you do .
[21:34] <daftykins> :D
[21:35] <TJ-> Install a ZIP drive and really confuse him
[21:35] <daftykins> XD
[21:36] <daftykins> i never owned one of those myself :> used to have a client that backed up to one
[21:36] <daftykins> the ol' parallel port passthrough external blue units, my my.
[21:36] <TJ-> They were really popular and useful at one time, almost standard for small business backup systems
[21:36] <TJ-> especially those 250MB devices!
[21:36] <daftykins> :D
[21:37] <daftykins> TJ-: haha you'd love the article i read the other day that was exploring encryption on Western Digital external hard disks, in some instances they found them to be using a hardcoded encryption key in the firmware
[21:37] <daftykins> or some other implementation was picking from, at best, 256 values
[21:38] <daftykins> reason i think of that, is i replaced that companies' zip drive with one such external USB HDD :D
[21:39] <TJ-> Yes, that really was a big fail. There are so many amateurs putting 'encryption' together to tick marketing checklists but the work is left to regular developers rather than bringing in encryption specialists
[21:39] <EriC^^> evening guys
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[21:40] <pauljw> hi EriC^^
[21:40] <daftykins> \o
[21:40] <TJ-> same as the devs configuring firmware for mobo manufacturers. The original code from AMI Phoenix etc. is good, but the devs tasked with customising it to mobos are terrible
[21:40]  * daftykins hands EriC^^ something from the kitchen
[21:40] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje pauljw daftykins :D
[21:40] <TJ-> EriC^^: :)
[21:40] <EriC^^> :D
[21:40] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:40] <EriC^^> hey TJ-
[21:41] <TJ-> EriC^^: I've just ordered the perfect tool for ensuring you're never without a food delivery: https://hexoplus.com/
[21:42] <EriC^^> haha :D
[21:42] <EriC^^> that's pretty neat!
[21:42] <EriC^^> you could take a lot of cool footage with that
[21:42] <TJ-> yeah; I want something that can chase runaway huskies!
[21:43] <TJ-> preferably with an infra-red camera mounted for night ops too
[21:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:45] <EriC^^> lol
[21:46] <EriC^^> imagine a really clingy wife attaches one to her husband
[21:46] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: are you married?
[21:47] <lotuspsychje> nop :p
[21:47] <lotuspsychje> and i will not tie my gf to a drone :p
[21:47] <EriC^^> lol im worried for you mate
[21:47] <EriC^^> not her :P
[21:48] <EriC^^> who's misslotus ? the gf?
[21:48] <lotuspsychje> yep
[21:49] <EriC^^> cool
[21:49] <EriC^^> TJ-: did you find a cool name for the termbin?
[21:50] <TJ-> EriC^^: not so far, been a bit distracted, but also been letting the ideas float about a bit
[21:50] <EriC^^> stream.sh maybe?
[21:50] <EriC^^> just thought of it
[21:50] <TJ-> daftykins likes squoo.sh, I do too, but concerned its not descriptive enough. something like termit.sh would be descriptive
[21:51] <EriC^^> yeah squoo.sh is pretty cool and catchy too
[21:51] <EriC^^> not descriptive though yeah
[21:51] <daftykins> just squoo.sh it in a paste will you? ;)
[21:53] <TJ-> I could register 2, and have them both point to the same thing of course
[21:53] <TJ-> but that's a bit of overkill :)
[21:54] <daftykins> given that termbin got DDoS'd, couldn't hurt?
[21:54] <TJ-> daftykins: I tested out doing the neat BASH trick with just  "script -f /dev/tcp/<host>/<port>" and it works
[21:55] <EriC^^> wget -O- squoo.sh | sh
[21:55] <EriC^^> basically that's what the user will run right?
[21:56] <TJ-> daftykins: the 'problem' is it can't return the URI back, but I can write some sneaky code on the httpd that matches visitors on their IP address/port and existing connections ot magically display the correct 'bin' for them
[21:56] <TJ-> EriC^^: no, it'll be live output using 'script -f ...' so we can see what they type, as they type
[21:56] <EriC^^> TJ-: yeah, but to get them to run script -f we'll have them wget the script
[21:57] <EriC^^> no?
[21:57] <TJ-> EriC^^: no. '/usr/bin/script -f ...' is the command
[21:57] <EriC^^> yeah i know
[21:58] <EriC^^> i thought they'd download a script that had the command though? instead of typing a lot?
[21:58] <TJ-> the '-f' flushes directly to the /dev/tcp/<host>/<port>
[21:58] <EriC^^> yeah, less typing though?
[21:58] <EriC^^> like wget -O- squoo.sh | sh
[21:59] <TJ-> EriC^^: ahhh, no, we are talking at cross purposes. right now we're on about a 'simple' live pastebin that reflects what they see without them needing to continually send us new pastebin URLs
[21:59] <EriC^^> vs script -f /dev/tcp/<ip>/<port>
[21:59] <TJ-> So even if they make typos we'll see them and can correct them quickly
[22:00] <EriC^^> yeah i know..
[22:00] <TJ-> And we'll see if they're doing things they're not reporting, so we don't get confused
[22:00] <TJ-> What you're on about is my other related idea of an auto-diagnostic script
[22:00]  * lotuspsychje is enjoying his xscreensaver matrix gl screensaver after comming back with bansha green tea
[22:00] <Bashing-om> Ya know, yall might get Oscars for this little winner .
[22:00] <EriC^^> nah, i mean the same idea
[22:01] <TJ-> EriC^^: well, there's no 'wget...' required for the live 'bin
[22:01] <pauljw> you're right Bashing-om , but i'm gettin sceered cause i can't type for crapp
[22:01] <EriC^^> TJ-: i know i'm well aware of that
[22:02] <EriC^^> TJ-: i mean it's easier to trigger the live feed by typing wget <domain> | sh
[22:02] <EriC^^> than script -f /dev/tcp/etc.etc.
[22:02] <EriC^^> you know?
[22:02] <EriC^^> so wget -O- squoo.sh | sh, would run the script -f command on their pc
[22:03] <EriC^^> it's a lot catchier and easier to remember than /dev/tcp ( they aren't reverse shell experts in the end.. or something )
[22:03] <Bashing-om> Huh ! .. Lemme tell ya .. I type in the dark a lot .. and I have my keyboard where I really do not feel comfortable with it .. let me tell you about typo's ( and how aggravated I can get ) !
[22:03] <TJ-> EriC^^: I don't see how that'd work
[22:04] <TJ-> EriC^^: 'script -f /dev/tcp/...' is not fetching anything, it is only sending. 'wget <domain> | sh' would fetch something
[22:04] <EriC^^> yeah i know, it's supposed to fetch the script
[22:04] <EriC^^> is that not possible? unless you add a <domain>/something.sh ?
[22:05] <EriC^^> if the index file is the script and you send it to | sh
[22:05] <EriC^^> wouldn't that work?
[22:06] <TJ-> no, there's no script to fetch, that's my point
[22:06] <TJ-> the user is ONLY transmitting, not fetching anything
[22:07] <EriC^^> i know he's transmitting man
[22:07] <TJ-> the user's local /usr/bin/script (part of the bsdutils package) is being utilised along with the BASH network sockets
[22:07] <TJ-> I think we're both confused here
[22:08] <TJ-> what is this "<domain>/something.sh" you're on about, if it isn't something the user is expected to fetch?
[22:08] <lotuspsychje> you guys gonna invent something and hit the jackpot $$$$$
[22:08] <EriC^^> the something.sh contains script -f /tmp/bla; etc.
[22:09] <TJ-> EriC^^: oh, no, nothing like that at all
[22:09] <EriC^^> TJ-: why not?
[22:09] <TJ-> EriC^^: simply say to the user do "script -f /dev/tcp/squoo.sh/911" and that's it
[22:09] <EriC^^> see that's kind of lengthy i dunno
[22:09] <TJ-> At that point their shell is transmitted
[22:10] <EriC^^> mm
[22:10] <TJ-> much shorter than repeatedly asking them to do "<command> | nv termbin.com 9999" or whatever
[22:10] <TJ-> they do it once, and then the bin grows as they issue commands
[22:11] <EriC^^> yeah but like
[22:11] <EriC^^> curl squoo.sh | sh
[22:11] <EriC^^> would be way easier
[22:12] <EriC^^> or curl help.me | sh or something
[22:12] <EriC^^> see.my | sh
[22:12] <TJ-> I'd rather the user knows exactly what we want rather than blindly fetching a script that might do anything
[22:12] <EriC^^> curl with.me.in.bed | sh
[22:12] <EriC^^> haha
[22:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[22:12] <daftykins> XD
[22:12] <EriC^^> we'll be like run this command to open a live feed of your terminal temporarily
[22:13] <EriC^^> curl view.my | sh
[22:13] <EriC^^> for example
[22:13] <daftykins> ooh i got bored and opened my subwoofer again, i've taken the speaker off the bottom and can see a little power supply (maybe?) board inside the box also
[22:13] <TJ-> EriC^^: there's no reason we can't provide that for more sophisticated issues as a second-level thing, e.g. for the diag sccipt,  but I'd like to build trust with the user before suggesting such things
[22:13] <daftykins> definitely hooked up fine to the speaker as you said, TJ-
[22:14] <TJ-> daftykins: in the better units they'll have traditional wire-wound transformers to avoid the noise that switched mode power supplies cause
[22:14] <daftykins> i do see a big yellow box type item beside the board
[22:15] <daftykins> i'd figure that for a transformer
[22:15] <TJ-> daftykins: is it heavy? it'd have an iron core
[22:15] <daftykins> still all fixed to this thick wood box really
[22:15] <TJ-> daftykins: the PCB next to it probably contains just a bridge rectifier, smoothing caps, and voltage/current regulators
[22:17] <TJ-> transformers are generally screwed down via two tabs either side of the iron core
[22:19] <pauljw> bbl... the pot-roast that i've been smelling since 11am is finally ready to eat.  :)
[22:23] <daftykins> TJ-: http://techblo.gg/stuff/sub2.jpg
[22:25] <lotuspsychje> ok bbl guys im gonna tie my gf to bed
[22:25] <lotuspsychje> errr tuck her in i mean
[22:25] <lotuspsychje> dont tell it to EriC^^ ok
[22:25] <daftykins> D:
[22:26] <TJ-> daftykins: You recall I mentioned capacitors might have exhausted? there's some more electrolytics on that PSU PCB
[22:26] <lotuspsychje> nite nite :p
[22:26] <daftykins> TJ-: yeah, it's a right pain to get a view of
[22:26] <TJ-> daftykins: you need my USB microscope
[22:26] <daftykins> :D
[22:28] <TJ-> daftykins: it looks like the screws holding the transformer and PSU PCB in might come through from the outside, are there any sign of screws on the casing same side as the control panel?
[22:29] <daftykins> yep, another 4 holding the transformer
[22:29] <TJ-> daftykins: if so, it'd be a case of removing those then removing all the contents through the control panel aperture (after having disconnected the speaker wires)
[22:30] <daftykins> the clips on the speaker seemed quite tight, i wonder if they need a grabbing with thin pliars
[22:31] <TJ-> are they those slide-on types like are often used in older autombile electrics?
[22:44] <daftykins> yep, i had to squash down some kinda folded up tabs before i could shift them
[22:45] <daftykins> alrighty, one transformer board and control board fully removed!
[22:45] <TJ-> Yay! Remote electronics hacking is a nice break from Ubuntu hacking
[22:46] <daftykins> :D
[22:46] <daftykins> i see the little fuse on the board with the transformer too
[22:46] <TJ-> how do the electrolytic capacitors look?
[22:47] <daftykins> totally normal, as do their solder points on the reverse
[22:49] <TJ-> sounds like it'll need proper diagnostic tools to fix then
[22:49] <daftykins> yeah :(
[22:49] <daftykins> just snapping another shot
[22:50] <daftykins> http://techblo.gg/stuff/sub3.jpg
[22:53] <TJ-> you notice how most things are glued down to prevent vibration damage? that's a good sign for build quality
[22:53] <daftykins> ah ha :D
[22:54] <daftykins> i wasn't sure what to make of the why, there
[22:55] <TJ-> can you get a better top-down shot of the audio PCB?
[22:55] <daftykins> yep
[22:57] <daftykins> http://techblo.gg/stuff/sub4.jpg that any good?
[23:02] <TJ-> that's perfect
[23:05] <TJ-> the large capacitor nearest the heatsink; is that glue on its north-east side I can just see?
[23:07] <daftykins> yep there's a 90 degree arc of the stuff on that one
[23:08] <TJ-> OK, so it isn't electrolyte leaked out
[23:10] <TJ-> the symptom you described - powers-up from cold but doesn't come back from standby suggests a weak capacitor or transistor, that hasn't got enough 'oomph' when warm/slightly charged to switch the big power transistors on
[23:10] <daftykins> it'll sit there when you know it's being told to work, flashing its' standby LED and the power on LED as if to say "i'm trying, honest!"
[23:11] <TJ-> right, the more you describe the firmer the diagnosis
[23:12] <TJ-> it *could* also be a bad connection somewhere, it'd have the same effect, but from what I've seen it looks pretty well put together
[23:12] <TJ-> in case you're tempted to try it when its out the box; make sure the speaker is connected before doing so
[23:12] <daftykins> the friend that had one with a dry solder joint, was suggesting poking at the brain on the speaker terminals with a pencil
[23:12] <daftykins> *braid, not brain haha
[23:13] <TJ-> yes, graphite deposits can held from pencils if there's a very clear fracture, because its conductive
[23:13] <daftykins> mmm i'm a bit nervous as to what surfaces what items can go on
[23:13] <TJ-> but its a patch not a fix
[23:13] <TJ-> I don't think that's your issue though
[23:13] <daftykins> if i were to run it free from its' case
[23:14] <TJ-> just don't put it on anything conductive
[23:14] <daftykins> at last the wooden floor pays off!
[23:15] <TJ-> I usually put a piece of cardboard under things
[23:15] <TJ-> the solder spikes tend to anchor into it and stop things sliding away from me :)
[23:15] <daftykins> is the speaker ok to sit on its' base with the cone aiming up? like \_/
[23:15] <TJ-> Yes
[23:21] <daftykins> ok all hooked up
[23:23] <daftykins> heard a little click as the input audio had a bassy spot...
[23:23] <daftykins> LED changed from red only, to red and blue together... but absolutely zero output
[23:28] <TJ-> now you can get physical. try giving the outside of the control mounting panel a good sharp slap, flat of your hand, so the force is perpendicular to the audio PCB
[23:29] <daftykins> http://techblo.gg/stuff/sub5.jpg
[23:30] <daftykins> hitting the heatsink top won't be any good, will it?
[23:31] <TJ-> No
[23:31] <TJ-> silly question but... are you sure the audio input cable isn't damaged?
[23:33] <daftykins> i could certainly grab the original the kit came with and put it in place, but the LED on the front of the case turns blue to show me it knows it should be doing things, but fails to engage
[23:34] <TJ-> it depends on the detection logic. It might used ground-loop detection, but the audio strands could be broken
[23:35]  * daftykins pops to grab it
[23:35] <daftykins> saw it just recently :D
[23:36] <daftykins> i had to get some crazy long lead instead as it had to go in a rear corner where i used to live
[23:39] <TJ-> I've got a 7.1 around the study, with the sub under my feet and the satellites snaking all over, and had to extend several of those leads
[23:40] <daftykins> nah identical result, sub knows it needs to engage... LED changes as i resume playback, no engagement pop/thud i usually hear
[23:40] <daftykins> totally behaves like the speaker isn't even there
[23:40] <TJ-> OK, so  back to the original diagnosis then
[23:41] <TJ-> without a multimeter there's nothing else we can do
[23:41] <daftykins> i'll have to pinch one Tuesday ^_^
[23:43] <daftykins> yet come morning it'll do its' first power on run like a champ
[23:47] <daftykins> TJ-: well, thank you very much as always! :D
[23:47] <daftykins> now to cat proof this area... :)
[23:52] <TJ-> try putting the electronics in the fridge for 10 minutes
[23:53] <daftykins> mmm that'll be a struggle, fixed mains plug and everything on this thing
[23:53] <TJ-> power it off and unplug then press the on button to cause it to drain its caps, then stuff it all (except the speaker) into a plastic bag :)
[23:54] <daftykins> it only has a little kinda standby rocker
[23:54] <daftykins> hmm, could i do one board and not the other, to isolate the culprit to one?
[23:55] <TJ-> the switch type is fine, the thing you're doing is having the capacitors drained of any residual charge
[23:55] <TJ-> well, to start with, just prove/disprove its an ambient temperature issue
[23:55] <TJ-> if it is, then you can separate the PCBs and try them individually
[23:57] <daftykins> okie dokie


[11:58] <Math^> ikonia, yes there is still something there
[11:59] <Math^> ikonia, how to remove it all
[11:59] <gramaje> alguien habla castellano?
[11:59] <cappiz> hum... bah :P
[11:59] <ikonia> Math^: very strange
[11:59] <Math^> ikonia, I already did: sudo apt-get remove --purge
[11:59] <adaptr> !english | gramaje
[11:59] <ubotu> gramaje: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[11:59] <ikonia> how did you install it before
[11:59] <cappiz> should have been easier :P
[11:59] <Math^> ikonia, I only installed the vmware-player before
[11:59] <gecko> any idea as to why none of my programs show up in the system tray?
[11:59] <ikonia> Math^: how did you install it before
[11:59] <Math^> ikonia, just sudo apt-get install vmware-player
[12:00] <cappiz> nah... phaidros its something on the live cd...
[12:00] <ikonia> Math^: for interest do "find / -name 'vmware*' -print
[12:00] <blade> can someone explain to me what exactly a usplash screen is...
[12:00] <phaidros> cappiz, of course /etc/init.d on the live-cd i meant ;)
[12:00] <cappiz> cause thats the one wich chose what to install on my syste,.
[12:00] <cappiz> ah ok :>
[12:00] <cappiz> hehe
[12:00] <cappiz> :P
[12:00] <cappiz> lol :P
[12:00] <Math^> ikonia, just a moment :)
[12:00] <godtvisken> adaptr: apparently that doesn't work with swap drives?