[00:18] <DrasticDragons> Is anyone familiar with Ubuntu > Samba username and password syncs? I just found this http://jaka.kubje.org/infodump/2007-05-14-unix-samba-password-sync-on-debian-etch/  but my knowledge of pam and how it works is non-existant. So I just wanted to get advice before I started to screw something up by pressing enter right now.
[00:24] <sarnold> DrasticDragons: looks sane to me
[00:24] <sarnold> DrasticDragons: note that " quotes on that page are mangled, don't expect copy-and-paste to work
[00:24] <sarnold> DrasticDragons: and it wouldn't hurt to leave a root shell ssh running somewhere while you fiddle with and test PAM :)
[01:35] <DrasticDragons> sarnold yeah, I ended up stopping that, and am trying to figure out logwatch and why it is not working.
[01:36] <DrasticDragons> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2148352 :/ Not really helpful when all it serves me is my hard drive status and a fortune.
[02:03] <hallyn> zul: smoser: rbasak: I'm ready to upload qemu 1.5 to raring.  Did you want to take a look before I push?
[02:04] <hallyn> uh, not raring, saucy :)
[02:38] <sonofzeus> Hi there
[02:39] <sonofzeus> any python coders here?
[02:46] <sonofzeus> Hello?
[02:46] <DrasticDragons> Hm, well, I goofed up with something. After trying to create a new mdadm device, and after a restart, my server is only booting to a black screen after it hits Grub. :/
[02:47] <DrasticDragons> It still responds to ctrl alt del, but ping -t ipaddresshere only responds with "Destination host unreachable" and "request timed out"
[02:47] <DrasticDragons> So, any help would be appreciated because otherwise. :(
[02:48] <sonofzeus> You gotta wait I;ve been waiting for 10 mins
[02:49] <DrasticDragons> sonofzeus you asked if there are python coders in a ubuntu-server channel. Wouldn't it be better to join #python or #programmers?
[02:49] <sonofzeus> hehe yep
[02:49] <DrasticDragons> Also, there isn't a queue for this channel.
[02:49] <sonofzeus> Yea I didnt mean that sorry
[03:18] <zul> hallyn:  how about i do it monday?
[03:39] <hallyn> zul: sure (i'll be out on monday) - it's in ppa:serge-hallyn/virt for now (as well as git://github.com/hallyn/qemu)
[06:22] <histo> is the server kernel any different than the desktop one?
[07:27] <cemc> morning. I was unsubscribed yesterday from ubuntu-server maillist, and I didn't know why. I just tried to resubscribe and the confirmation email did not arrive. looked at the email logs and: reject: RCPT from huckleberry.canonical.com[<IP_ADDRESS>]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [<IP_ADDRESS>] blocked using dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net;
[19:55] <tasslehoff> Any tips on a good application/way to share/view the pictures I have on my server? Som dedicated web-solution, maybe?
[20:05] <RoyK> tasslehoff: what do you want to achive?
[20:06] <tasslehoff> RoyK: I guess viewing my images in a browser or another client.
[20:07] <tasslehoff> My own flickr/picasa/smugmug site :)
[20:07] <RoyK> there are tons of solutions for that
[20:08] <RoyK> http://galleryproject.org/ is one - I just use igal2
[20:11] <tasslehoff> RoyK: I figured there would be, but I have actually never looked for this before. Thanks.
[20:13] <tasslehoff> galleryproject looks good from the screenshots
[20:24] <RoyK> it's ok, but I've heard of a few issues
[20:25] <tasslehoff> I'll read up a bit before installing anything. Need to know the security of my server is not compromised.
[20:35] <RoyK> tasslehoff: good
[22:23] <Rallias> Is it possible for me to use lxc-create on a preexisting backing LVM store?
[23:40] <baniir> readahead values set with blockdev don't seem to persist through reboots on 12.04 (ec2); is this expected
[23:42] <baniir> i think i need devices to have readahead set before mdadm assembles


[00:01] <greg-g> I would think gnome, but I would also search gnome's bugzilla to see if it has been reported ( http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ )
[00:11] <Awsoonn> greg-g: that's the problem there is that 'gnome' is a binary package. This bug is assigned to its source package 'meta-gnome2' instead. And I was politely told not to attach anything to meta-gnome2  doesn't have any code to handle anything but dependencies
[00:11] <greg-g> Awsoonn: right, I'm not sure what part of gnome (or if it is just gtk2?) but if it is in gnome's bugzilla somewhere, you should be able to find it
[00:19] <dsas> Awsoonn: I think that would be gtk2
[00:20] <greg-g> makes sense
[00:20] <Awsoonn> dsas: thank you
[01:46] <hggdh> bdmurray, ping
[06:42] <ppp> Hi everyone. I have been having alot of problems with my routing table loosing my gateway router over time, and thus loosing internet. I have done alot of research and ammended this bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/111282
[06:42] <ppp> Ive come up with a workaround but it would be great if someone had a root cause fix :)
[06:43] <ppp> Its not actually a "sleep" bug, my workstation doesnt sleep, it just seems to loose the gateway in the route table
[07:07] <ruiboon> hi. may i know the package responsible for the print screen function?
[07:13] <ruiboon> found it. gnome-utils is responsible for the print screen function. Thanks
[07:14] <persia> ruiboon: It depends on user configuration.  ksnapshot and gnomeutils are the most common
[07:14] <ruiboon> persia: the user is using gnome. yap. so it is gnome-utils
[07:14] <ruiboon> persia: thanks for the info
[07:18] <sbeattie> Hmm, anyone had any luck installing the daily hardy.1 images?
[09:04] <kagou> Hi
[09:06] <kagou> i'm searching user of notebook with gnome to confirm #233920
[09:06] <seb128> bug #233920
[09:06] <seb128> lut kagou
[09:06] <kagou> lu seb128
[10:00] <thekorn> I'M sure bug 227600 is a duplicate of a well known bug, does anybody have the bug# of the master handy?
[10:11] <james_w> thekorn: I don't know the number, but let me have a search
[10:12] <thekorn> james_w, thanks a lot
[10:13] <james_w> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/186382 is the one that I was thinking of, is that it?
[10:16] <thekorn> james_w, that's exactly the bug I was looking for, but since this is fix released, I will have to ask the reporter some questions before marking this as a dup,
[10:16] <thekorn> thanks again
[10:17] <james_w> ah, didn't notice it was fixed
[10:18] <james_w> the last comment is from someone who it isn't fixed for.
[10:22] <thekorn> both hardy task are fix released, so maybe different issues or 'incomplete' fixes
[11:14] <james_w> o pacote mime-support já está instalado e configurado
[11:14] <james_w> could someone translate that for me please? ^
[11:15] <thekorn> james_w, translate.google.com returns  'the mime-support package is already installed and configured'
[11:16] <james_w> thekorn: ah, didn't think of using that, thanks
[11:16] <ogra> Pacote or mime-support is already installed and configured
[11:16] <ogra> beaten
[11:16] <james_w> the bug report says that this was during an upgrade, which is odd.
[12:25] <sectech> morning
[13:17] <sectech> Hrmmm a reporter just taught me about an application I didn't know to create python scripts... eric
[13:47] <\sh> sectech: it's one of the most known python ides inside the qt/kde environment :)
[13:47] <pedro_> hello folks
[13:47] <sectech> \sh,  I guess I live under a rock then....
[13:47] <sectech> morning pedro_
[13:47] <pedro_> In case you don't know it, today is Compiz Hug Day!!
[13:47] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080612 <- feel free to squash any of those bugs
[13:48] <sectech> Okay...
[13:48] <pedro_> morning sectech how's going?
[13:48] <sectech> pedro_,   pretty good :) just sipping on my morning coffee
[13:48] <pedro_> niice
[13:49] <sectech> I know one thing is for sure, I won't be inside triaging all day with how nice it is out there :)
[13:50] <pedro_> sigh, i'm not having a good weather today... -1ºC with a lot of clouds
[13:51] <sectech> -1C wow.... where are you?
[13:51] <sectech> Usually we have lots of fog in Saint John (or so they tell me)
[13:52] <pedro_> Santiago - Chile
[13:53] <sectech> Ahh...
[13:55] <sectech> goes to show you what I know about the world, I thought it was nice and warm over there
[14:31] <sectech> ruiboon,  how can you know it's a pulse audio problem when there is very little description to the bug? Bug #239445
[14:31] <sectech> ruiboon,  That is why I gave a generic reply asking for the reporter to describe the bug a little better...
[14:36] <ruiboon> sectech: i have interpreted the summary as listening to streaming music in browser or listening to music in mplayer, so it may be related to sound
[14:38] <ruiboon> sectech: when i click on the add a comment link, your comment wasnt there yet. i was quite slow in replying to that bug report.
[14:38] <sectech> ruiboon,  lol ahh okay...
[14:38] <sectech> ruiboon,  I thought you knew something specifically about that bug that I didn't...
[14:39] <sectech> Still is a toss up, we will know more when the reporter elaborates a bit
[14:40] <ruiboon> sectech: i know what is available from bug report. Hmm... maybe apport should include the link when users are reporting bugs
[14:41] <sectech> ruiboon,  It would help if it did... although I am sure some would argue that it potentially could be a privacy concern...
[14:41] <sectech> you never know what a user might be trying to play :P
[14:45] <ruiboon> sectech: that certainly will be a privacy issue. just wondering how much it will help us in triaging when the link is included automatically.
[14:46] <sectech> saves us a step from asking I guess...
[14:46] <ruiboon> when users report a bug using apport, there is already some guiding question. many users seems to miss them though
[14:48] <sectech> Indeed they do lol...
[14:59] <theseinfeld> !bot
[15:39] <qense> hello
[16:16] <jcastro> bdmurray: do you have a wiki page where you're going to put the list o bugs for the global bug jam?
[16:17] <bdmurray> jcastro: not at this point in time - is it being looked for?
[16:18] <jcastro> bdmurray: we're just writing some "what to do for the bugjam" docs, we can add it later though
[16:19] <bdmurray> jcastro: okay
[16:22] <snap-l> Is there a tag that'll be used for the bugjam?
[16:24] <jcastro> snap-l: yeah we're writing that stuff right now and are going to be adding it to the wiki RSN
[16:26] <snap-l> OK.
[16:27] <snap-l> Figured I was jumping the gun
[16:31] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam/Prep
[16:31] <jcastro> snap-l: feedback please! Since you arranged a bug jam a little bit ago
[16:32] <jcastro> snap-l: basically this document is for people who will be organizing the jam in each respective loco or whatever
[16:32] <jcastro> so these are things we want them to be aware of
[16:33] <snap-l> organized? :)
[16:34] <snap-l> I got the library booked. :)
[16:34] <snap-l> I'll check it out, though,.
[16:37] <snap-l> Having trouble logging into the wiki
[16:44] <LimCore> ikonia: hi, i debugged the NTP problem.  It turns out that simply my drift is so big that ntpd fails to fix it since it uses adjtime, and adjtime kernel time change is too slow - http://limcore.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/adjtime-and-synchronizing-time-in-linux-kernel/
[16:44] <LimCore> solution would be to allow kernel to adjust time faster with another syscall telling how fast the djust must be applied;  And workaround (with ntpd) to make it use settimeofday if it sees that adjtime doesnt work
[17:01] <ruiboon> hi. how do i unsubscribe u-s-m from a bug report (i was the one who subscribe it initially)? it is no longer necessary as the fix has already been released
[17:01] <bdmurray> ruiboon: you have to be a member of the team to unsubscribe the team
[17:03] <ruiboon> bdmurray: i see. could a member of u-s-m check if this subscription is still needed as the fix has been released? bug 232452
[17:04] <bdmurray> I think them being subscribed to a Fix Released bug is fine.  You could find out for certain in #ubuntu-devel though
[17:06] <ruiboon> bdmurray: thanks for the info
[17:22] <bddebian> Boo
[18:29] <qense> bdmurray: My bugcontrol membership is about to expire. I'm told to ping you. ;)
[18:39] <bdmurray> qense: thanks, I'll look into it
[19:04] <qense> I'm a bit confused by bug 229477 Is it a hardware error or a bug in how Ubuntu handles blank CDs?
[19:05] <qense> (the reported marked the bug as In Progress and Assigned himself :P)
[19:08] <qense> I'll just confirm it and wait for the dev's response.  :P
[19:14] <greg-g> ah, yeah, they don't drop down
[19:16] <greg-g> not sure if I like the text "floating" out there on the page ("mark as duplicate, set privacy/security, and convert to questions)
[19:16] <pedro_> iak looks awful
[19:17] <qense> things are not properly rendered
[19:17] <qense> what the heck is that empty, non-clickable textbox doing at the left-bottom?
[19:17] <qense> things indeed don't drop down and images aren't rendered good
[19:19] <greg-g> you should have received an email from a LP dev saying that the sidebar is disabled as everything is now in the body of the page.  so that is on purpose
[19:19] <qense> yeah, I just got that email too
[19:20] <greg-g> hmm, where is that list archived?
[19:21] <qense> at lists.ubuntu.com?
[19:21] <greg-g> couldn't find it
[19:27] <jkary> Hello.  I've been looking at bug 151674 and it appears the fix/work around has been suggested in the notes. (Enable vblank)  I was wondering what the next steps might be to get this bug to green?  I am a bit confused by the process as I am doing this for the first time.
[19:28] <qense> greg-g: I can forward it to you
[19:35] <greg-g> qense: I got it myself, I just deleted by habit after reading it :)
[19:35] <qense> ok
[19:35] <qense> but do you want a copy?
[19:37] <greg-g> no thanks, I was actually curious to read back through the list mainly
[19:38] <qense> ok
[19:39] <greg-g> thanks though
[20:11] <sectech> either my internet is slow, or launchpad is sluggish today
[20:12] <pedro_> sectech: not your internet connection, launchpad is being slow
[20:14]  * greg-g nods
[20:15] <sectech> We don't do up a "needs packaging"  for a package that isn't stable yet do we? Bug #239524
[20:15] <sectech> I was going to write it up properly, but when I went to verify which version is stable it's 0.7.1
[20:15] <sectech> which is currently what we have
[20:16] <sectech> I already edited one "needs packaging" today...  I love the instructions that were sent around the mailing list btw.
[20:18] <pedro_> 0.7.90 it's a beta release, makes more sense to have it on a PPA just like banshee
[20:19] <sectech> pedro_,  so how do I deal with this bug?  Let the reporter know that 0.7.1 is the latest stable (which he/she probably already knows)?
[20:21] <sectech> pedro_,  and what is PPA? (sorry)
[20:22] <pedro_> sectech: Personal Package Archives -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[20:23] <sectech> Ahhh ok
[20:24] <pedro_> but i'm not an archive manager so maybe it can go to intrepid anyways
[20:25] <ssam> i am running hardy with proposed-updates enabled. today my mouse is very jerky, some clicks are being ignored and keeeys are multiply pressing. i am not surrre if its one of the updates that has caused     this or which oneeee. where should i report itttt?
[20:26] <pedro_> ssam: just as another normal bug report, but please say that you're using the proposed package repository
[20:27] <ssam> ok, thanks
[20:41] <calc> bdmurray: do you happen to have a template for closing old incomplete bugs?
[20:44] <bdmurray> calc: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status in the Incomplete section
[20:47] <calc> bdmurray: thanks :)
[20:48] <bdmurray> sure, no problem
[20:48] <bdmurray> how is the OOo bug volume?
[20:49] <calc> i think its averaging around 5 new per day plus all the followup bug mail
[20:50] <calc> i probably get ~ 50 bug mail per day on average (or at least it seems roughly that)
[20:52] <ffm> Hello world!
[20:53] <calc> i find a lot of bugs seem to be filed by drive by submitters
[20:54] <calc> eg they don't respond to requests for more info, etc
[20:55] <bdmurray> yeah, that's unfortunate
[20:56] <bdmurray> calc: how about an openoffice hug day next tuesday?
[20:57] <norsetto> bdmurray: we should call it bug week then ...
[20:57] <calc> bdmurray: sounds good to me
[20:58] <calc> bdmurray: anything in particular i should do for preparation?
[20:58] <calc> we should have 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu1 built and in hardy-proposed (maybe updates) by then
[20:58] <calc> it was uploaded earlier this morning
[20:58] <bdmurray> calc: sprucing up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingOpenOffice would be great
[20:59] <calc> ok
[20:59] <calc> i'll work on that once i get through with the incomplete bug cleaning
[21:40] <ffm> bdmurray: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/net-retriever/+bug/234486 is ia nasty bug that is "fixed", but I still have issues with.
[21:47] <bdmurray> ffm: you might any some more details regarding your setup or check in #ubuntu-installer
[21:50] <bdmurray> win 15
[22:03] <ffm> kk
[23:14] <sectech> are we currently using firefox RC1 or RC2? I can't find the RC version
[23:15] <sectech> (Up to date hardy)
[23:16] <sectech> RC3 ok
[23:16] <sectech> found it
[23:17] <ssam> i filed Bug #239577
[23:20] <bdmurray> sectech: is the xpdf task for bug 238817 still valid?
[23:20] <sectech> bdmurray,  As I am told xpdf doesn't use poppler, so yes
[23:21] <bdmurray> oh, so there is one bug w/ evince and one with xpdf?
[23:21] <ffm> bdmurray: btw, the synergy bug is fixed.
[23:22] <sectech> bdmurray,  yeah, I added "also affects xpdf" because the symptoms are exactly the same
[23:22] <sectech> bdmurray,  Should I have separated them?
[23:23] <bdmurray> It could go either way
[23:24] <bdmurray> How's that for a vaguery!
[23:24] <sectech> bdmurray,  hmmmm I could understand why either way....
[23:25] <sectech> if you or a developer requests it I'll invalidate the xpdf one and write a new one specifically for it..
[23:26] <bdmurray> If it was popular and had a lot of subscribers it might be a good idea, but I think it is fine as it stands.
[23:26] <sectech> bdmurray,  take a look at bug #239514... I sent that upstream as a "trivial"
[23:26] <sectech> bug 239514
[23:27] <sectech> I'm sure it's just an incorrect graphic in RC3....
[23:32]  * ffm bugs bdmurray about bug-control.
[23:33]  * sectech is also curious about bug-control


[00:53] <pleia2> mhall119: do phone/tablet docs exist? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-August/017453.html
[01:03] <mhall119> pleia2: not outside of what's on wiki.u.c/Touch/
[01:03] <mhall119> nothing that I know of anyway
[01:04] <pleia2> thanks, I'll point him there for now
[01:05] <mhall119> pleia2: also point him to #ubuntu-touch channel, someone there might know of more docs
[01:05] <pleia2> mhall119: great, thanks :)
[01:06] <mhall119> np
[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <benonsoftware> Evening dholbach
[14:41] <marcoceppi> jcastro: what's your leaf count for the month?
[16:00] <smartboyhw> dpm, dholbach clearly everybody likes more prizes:P
[16:00] <dholbach> smartboyhw, hm?
[16:00] <dpm> ?
[16:01] <smartboyhw> dholbach, after you announced the App Showdown contest on Ubuntu-phone mailing list
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Oops, dpm :P
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Everybody replied in the mailing list that they will try if they can get a prize of some sort
[16:01] <smartboyhw> e.g. a T-shirt
[16:02] <smartboyhw> Oops, should include -touch-coreapps also
[16:07] <dpm> smartboyhw, if one person asking if there will be T-shirts and another person asking for more prizes constitutes "everyone", I think you might be right :P
[16:18] <smartboyhw> dpm, that's 4 people:P
[16:18] <smartboyhw> Are u sure?
[21:28] <jose> And bloomberg.com just bought 100 Edges!


[07:48] <kook2> Hello?
[08:21] <Mirv> Trevinho: the qdbus icon fixes still haven't landed to zesty. the reason is there is a curious i386 only autopkgtest error where it gets "XDG_RUNTIME_ERROR" when it tries to detect itself's version number<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:22] <Mirv> Trevinho: that is, it parses a string that usually starts "CamiTK 4.0.4 - CamiTK version......................... CamiTK 4.0.4 - CamiTK Short Version................... camitk-4.0 - CamiTK SO NAME" etc, but with your patches it becomes "QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-ubuntu' CamiTK 4.0.4 - CamiTK version......................... CamiTK 4.0.4 - CamiTK Short
[08:22] <Mirv> Version................... camitk-4.0 - CamiTK SO NAME"
[08:23] <Mirv> that is, their test does not expect there being a new warning message in their string, however they generate it
[08:23] <Mirv> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/camitk/4.0.4-2 is the source
[14:40] <taiebot> Enjoyed the reading of the Firefox OS story  https://medium.com/@bfrancis/the-story-of-firefox-os-cb5bf796e8fb i am seeing some similarity with the UT project but also differences which makes me hopeful for this project.
[15:20] <brunch875> hiya guys, how can I send a picture from utouch to computah via bluetooth?
[15:20] <brunch875> on my laptop I only see the option to send file to phone
[15:20] <brunch875> on my laptop I only see the option to send file to phone
[15:21] <brunch875> or should I give it up and use sftp?
[15:26] <davmor2> brunch875: sftp I don't think it is possible currently
[15:26] <davmor2> brunch875: via bt not possible is what I meant
[15:27] <brunch875> davmor2: thanks, otherwise I'd kept on trying :p
[15:35] <brunch875> Easiest way to transfer those pictures would be by pulling out the card
[15:35] <brunch875> I wonder why BQ decided to make it hardcore-impossible to remove it from the phone
[20:00] <mcphail> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/ - note the tantalising mention of Ubuntu at the end of the article. It might be a nice device for Touch...
[20:02] <dobey> mcphail: eh, if it's 4K it might make an ok laptop, but otherwise, doesn't seem sensible as a phone really
[20:03] <dobey> i bet the kb layout is either awful or the keys are super tiny, too
[20:03] <dobey> ime, companies that make devices this size, usually screw up the keyboard
[20:05] <dobey> https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,f_auto,w_620/v1488034047/r17sk7ieqrwhxbdovbyp.jpg <- yep, this is not a nice keyboard layout
[20:28] <mterry> Elleo, do you know how to debug the communication between Qt and maliit?  I'm trying to get the OSK to work in unity8-greeter, but it doesn't seem to display OSK
[20:42] <mcphail> dobey: you never used a Psion5? Great device, great keyboard
[20:43] <dobey> mcphail: no. i have a fujitsu u820.
[20:44] <dobey> eh, can't say i like the psion kb layout either
[20:45] <mcphail> dobey: The Psions were legendary. I used one as my main computing device for several years. No portable keyboard has come close. This one doesn't look quite as neat but it is similar
[20:46] <dobey> mcphail: though now, i hate all standard qwerty keyboards. my hhkb is amazing though


[00:44] <m0u5e> where would i go to find a ubuntu svg?
[00:44] <m0u5e> err ubuntu logo svg*
[00:50] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[01:14] <m0u5e> _MMA_: ty
[01:26] <Cimi> _MMA_, did u read?
[01:28] <_MMA_> Which?  I had nothing to say.
[01:31] <Cimi> ok
[01:32] <Cimi> which kind of guideline you would like to follow? are you sharing with me the same ideas?
[01:32] <Cimi> in terms of contrast, design, palette
[01:34] <CimiDS> [02:31] <Cimi> which kind of guideline you would like to follow? are you sharing with me the same ideas?
[01:34] <CimiDS> [02:31] <Cimi> in terms of contrast, design, palette
[01:36] <_MMA_> CimiDS: Maybe. Maybe not. Its late here and I should be with my family. Ill chat tomorrow. :)
[01:37] <CimiDS> late? here is 2:30am :) have a nice evening with them! see you
[05:59] <Domestiqules> hey everyone
[07:41] <Ziroday> kwwii: ping
[09:06]  * thorwil finally install community themes
[09:21] <thorwil> kwwii: the new wave from your ppa is named as "New Wave", not "NewWave", right?
[09:22]  * thorwil has to figure out which one is from the manual installation
[09:24] <thorwil> guess it's the other way round
[10:15] <kwwii> thorwil: no, from my ppa it is NewWave
[10:16] <thorwil> ok, already removed the other one
[13:43] <thorwil> _MMA_: hi. i have a bg color proposal now. could benefit from discussion and thinning out
[13:44] <thorwil> _MMA_: i'm wondering where to put it atm
[13:46] <_MMA_> thorwil: ML maybe?
[13:46] <_MMA_> Get wider opinion and refine for wiki from there.
[13:47] <thorwil> yeah, guess won't hurt to put it on my blog, first
[13:48] <thorwil> _MMA_: i just simplified the wiki page a bit. many levels ain't nice for reading
[13:48]  * _MMA_ looks.
[13:48] <_MMA_> I'll be leaving in 30 mins for about 6hrs. I'll attend to any ML posts or whatnot after that.
[13:49] <thorwil> ok
[13:50] <_MMA_> Yeah. The changes to the wiki are good.
[13:50] <thorwil> :)
[13:51] <_MMA_> I was mostly putting up info so I didn't forget without too much thought on organization.
[13:52] <thorwil> that's how i tend to start, too
[13:53] <thorwil> took a while until i learned that you need to just run into it and can't put everything into the right place from start :)
[14:02] <_MMA_> Yeah. I just hadn't started to refine yet. I've been trying to get some of the technical stuff worked out as well.
[14:02] <_MMA_> thorwil: Try your hand at using the template when you get a chance please.
[14:02] <thorwil> ok
[14:04] <_MMA_> bbl
[14:05] <thorwil> gnah
[14:05] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/define-icon-palette-via-background-colors/
[14:05] <thorwil> posting to ml after coffee, bbl, too
[19:52] <dilomo1> what's up with the icon wiki?
[19:52] <thorwil> what should be up with it?
[19:53] <ambrin> hi!
[19:53] <ambrin> i am new to the gorup
[19:53] <thorwil> hello ambrin
[19:53] <ambrin> anything I can help with?
[19:53] <ambrin> when is the next meeting?
[19:54] <thorwil> ambrin: we don't do meetings these days
[19:54] <ambrin> thorwil: aww why?
[19:55] <thorwil> ambrin: i guess it just didn't lead to much
[19:55] <thorwil> ambrin: there are some themes in https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive
[19:56] <_MMA_> thorwil: We'll have one about the icons in a bit. Just wanna get things more focused.
[19:56] <thorwil> ambrin: that could benefit from testing and fixes
[19:57] <dilomo1> Cory said he'll set up a wiki page
[19:57] <dilomo1> where artwok and concept can be uploaded
[19:57] <thorwil> ambrin: for details about that, you should talk with kwwii, who is team leader an employed by canonical. it's weekend, though ... ;)
[19:58] <ambrin> thorwil: yeah -- i was here on the weekdays -- it was pretty quite
[19:58] <ambrin> in here
[19:58] <_MMA_> dilomo1: It's a work in progress. Who are you on the ML?
[19:59] <dilomo1> Anton the New Wave dev
[19:59] <thorwil> ambrin: well, there are only few active people here.
[19:59] <_MMA_> dilomo1: Ahh... Cool. :)
[19:59]  * _MMA_ is Cory. :)
[19:59] <thorwil> _MMA_ is Metal Music Addict
[20:00] <_MMA_> \m/
[20:00] <dilomo1> there's nothing wrong with that
[20:00] <_MMA_> dilomo1: I've *not* posted about it yet intentionally but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet
[20:01] <thorwil> ambrin: are you subscribed to the mailing list?
[20:01] <_MMA_> It still needs a bit of sorting. Im adding a bit of info here and there with thorwil.
[20:01] <ambrin> thorwil: yup
[20:01] <dilomo1> the icon - it's cool
[20:01] <dilomo1> but don't you think we need a logo
[20:01] <ambrin> thorwil: did I read it yet? -- is the question :P
[20:01] <dilomo1> for the whole iconset
[20:02] <_MMA_> dilomo1: Its just there.
[20:02] <thorwil> dilomo1: a logo takes time and shouldn't be made before we have an idea of the direction
[20:02] <ambrin> it's very sad when I rather read work email vs. personal email
[20:03] <thorwil> and actually it's not that important. not for our audience
[20:03] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons shows an example of how its gonna look. And is hooked into Launchpad/BZR. (the preview image with the sizes and link to source SVG)
[20:04] <_MMA_> So when Bzr is updated so is the wiki previews.
[20:04] <dilomo1> wow that's cool
[20:06] <_MMA_> dilomo1: But we're still laying the technical groundwork. I don't want anyone to have to do anything but create.
[20:09] <dilomo1> I'm just looking at that One Canvas Workflow
[20:09] <dilomo1> we should really provide good tools
[20:09] <dilomo1> and then just create :)
[20:09] <thorwil> dilomo1: a test run with it would be appreciated ;)
[20:10] <_MMA_> With the template that is.
[20:11] <_MMA_> I'm still in development of the script that will make the icons from the SVG. I need to edit it to do some things for us.
[20:11] <_MMA_> Im not using the script stock, as-is.
[20:12] <dilomo1> btw there is smth that is not so good with this One Canvas
[20:13] <dilomo1> its this that you have all the icons just decreased in size
[20:13] <_MMA_> And?
[20:13] <dilomo1> but sometimes you need to do perpixel edit that cannot be achieved there
[20:14] <_MMA_> There's *nothing* I can't do for icons in Inkscape.
[20:15] <_MMA_> And a note, they are not just scaled.
[20:15] <thorwil> dilomo1: Kenneth and Cory think that there's no need for pixel-editing, if you create in the target size. and if you think about it, you could always zoom in and use pixel-sized rectangles ;)
[20:15] <_MMA_> They are redrawn with as much detail as needed.
[20:16]  * _MMA_ has drawn with 1x1px squares in Inkscape before. :P
[20:18] <_MMA_> SO I have to edit the script to make it grab the scaliable icon, preview and output them to custom dirs.
[20:18] <_MMA_> I should have it done next week.
[20:18] <dilomo1> nice
[20:20] <_MMA_> The bzr work will be *strictly* managed but anyone will be free to take on an icon from the wiki and submit via the ML.
[20:22] <dilomo1> good
[20:22] <dilomo1> one more question though
[20:22] <dilomo1> if we are going to create ine size icon in one file
[20:22] <dilomo1> how we could import palettes in inkscape?
[20:26] <_MMA_> I don't know if we're gonna have a set palette really.
[20:26] <_MMA_> but the file would go in: /.inkscape/palettes
[20:26] <_MMA_> IIRC
[20:27] <dilomo1> I meant persets (gradients, markers, ect.)
[20:28] <dilomo1> This is really annoying right now in Inkscape
[20:29] <_MMA_> Don't know. Some of this we'll just have to work out as we go along.
[20:30] <_MMA_> I will be grabbing the Oxygen icons and putting them into templates for us to work from. So we'll have previews of everything we'll need to change.
[20:31] <_MMA_> So at 1st, it will only look like Oxygen. Then we replace as we create.
[20:31] <dilomo1> that's going to make things a lot easier
[20:31] <dilomo1> :)
[20:31] <dilomo1> btw what's your name on ML?
[20:31] <_MMA_> Everyone will see. I shoulda put more in place before talking about it.
[20:32]  * _MMA_ = Cory K.
[20:34] <dilomo1> :) nice to meet you
[20:34] <_MMA_> same
[20:35] <_MMA_> When Im not being mean to n00bs here I also run Ubuntu Studio. I act like I know what Im doing. ;)
[20:36]  * _MMA_ pulls up thorwil's email to finally read.
[20:37] <dilomo1> :)
[20:37] <dilomo1> what do you think this means at the Inkscape roadmap for 0.47:
[20:37] <dilomo1> Palettes  Custom palettes like from Gnome  Ability to load 3rd-party palettes (e.g. Pantone, Trumatch, Focoltone, Toyo, etc.)
[20:37] <dilomo1> probably is not going to work for us
[20:38] <thorwil> dilomo1: one of the problems is that you will rarely see a blob of solid color. rather lots of gradients
[20:39] <thorwil> dilomo1: it might help to think Material instead of Color palette
[20:39] <dilomo1> yes would be better
[20:40] <dilomo1> I wish pallets can store gradients too
[20:40]  * _MMA_ is going to take thorwil and more knowledgeable people's word here.
[20:41] <_MMA_> I'm just trying to set up some of the base technical stuff. :)
[20:41] <_MMA_> Less of the aesthetic for now.
[20:44] <dilomo1> nice chat guys
[20:44] <dilomo1> but I have to sleep
[20:44] <_MMA_> later
[20:44] <dilomo1> bye
[20:47] <_MMA_> thorwil: So what's the point of "Automatic Icon Color Adjustment?" A GNOME feature?
[20:47] <thorwil> _MMA_: it would make our job easier
[20:48] <_MMA_> But it's not something we do. It would be something GNOME did somehow right?
[20:48] <thorwil> _MMA_: it's just a little developer bait thrown out ;)  i don't expect anything to happen, but expressing my ideas eases my mind
[20:48] <_MMA_> Ahh... Gotcha.
[20:49]  * _MMA_ reads the palette post.
[20:51] <thorwil> _MMA_: i should add that the color adaption experiment can also teach us a bit about the impact of bg color
[20:51] <_MMA_> Sure.
[20:51] <_MMA_> thorwil: So here, we would define a set of colors that say "Human" to us and the icons we create should work well with them? Just not necessarily use them.
[20:53] <thorwil> _MMA_: we have to take ubuntu heritage, mark's insistence on certain colors and where we would like things to go into account
[20:53] <_MMA_> Sure.
[20:53] <thorwil> where the top part of my set is rather conservative
[20:54] <_MMA_> http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bg_colors_with_cof_logo_01.png
[20:54] <_MMA_> Rows 1-4?
[20:54] <_MMA_> (horizontally)
[20:56] <thorwil> _MMA_: all the warm tones from the icon test are not much different from what i already sampled from the human theme with heron background
[20:56] <thorwil> http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bg_colors_01_i.png is the proposal
[20:57] <_MMA_> Yeah
[20:59] <_MMA_> Well in the end I don't have much to say. At least right now. Hopefully we can get some credible opinions on the ML while I continue to put things in place.
[21:00] <thorwil> _MMA_: well, you can check if our color perception is compatible ;)
[21:00] <_MMA_> thorwil: Notice how the ML has calmed down? Happens near the end of every cycle.
[21:00] <_MMA_> On the surface, I have no issue with the colors.
[21:00] <_MMA_> Never know about the future. We might hit an issue later.
[21:01] <thorwil> gotta go. cya tomorrow!


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[08:24] <iomari891> Greetings, Is netplan the default nwtwrk amanger for kubuntu? My recent install only has 1 main entry in netplan: renderer: NetworkManager.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[15:49] <sergey> hi guys
[20:03] <Guest9488> I just did a pretty fresh install of Kubuntu 21.04 and I can't seem to get previews to work for cbz files
[20:03] <Guest9488> Is there anything I might be missing?
[20:03] <Guest9488> They show up in dolphin config as a preview option, but do not work
[20:04] <valorie> Guest9488: there may be a plugin to dolphin you need to install or enable
[20:04] <Guest9488> How would I check?
[20:04] <valorie> sorry, have never heard of cbz
[20:05] <valorie> !cbz
[20:05] <valorie> maybe check in #kde ?
[20:12] <Guest9488> yeah I will ask there but if anyone has any ideas let me know
[20:12] <Guest9488> Its killing me lol


[10:12] <kamstrup> ArtworkDeadline fast approaching I was wondering whether I could lend a hand at soemthing...
[10:13] <kamstrup> Browsing around I gather that the wiki is not the place to catch up...
[10:14] <kamstrup>  - so where would I do that?


[09:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[20:49] <elfy> anyone in here got issues with numlock at login not being remembered


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[11:30] <mamarley> ricotz: For what it is worth, I have had multiple users emailing me requesting (sometimes rudely) that 396.45 be put in the main PPA. :/
[12:56] <ricotz> mamarley, ack
[12:56] <ricotz> I have copied the vulkan specific driver to ppa:gpu/dev
[13:19] <ricotz> mamarley, bionic/cosmic are not based on the last ppa packages (trusty and xenial seems fine regardless)
[13:49] <mamarley> ricotz: Were there any changes to those besides the new upstream release?  I didn't think there were/
[13:49] <mamarley> s///.
[13:50] <ricotz> mamarley, rebase on cosmic 390 release
[13:56] <mamarley> ricotz: For both Cosmic and Bionic or just Cosmic?
[13:56] <ricotz> both
[13:56] <ricotz> just take the current ppa packages
[13:56] <mamarley> ricotz: And to be clear, you mean rebase it on the 390.77 from the PPA?
[13:57] <ricotz> no
[13:57] <ricotz> just take the current *396* ppa packages as base
[13:57] <mamarley> Ah, OK. You had said 390 before, that's why I was confused.
[13:58] <ricotz> (390 got some changes which your 396 misses)
[13:58] <mamarley> I understand now.  Coming right up…
[13:59] <ricotz> thanks
[14:31] <mamarley> ricotz: Done.


[15:53] <gQuigs> hi there, I'm trying to wrap my head around how limits are supposed to work - http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Stanzas_for_0.5.1
[15:53] <gQuigs> trying to setup a smbd .override file adding
[15:53] <gQuigs> limit nofile 65536 65536
[15:54] <gQuigs> on 12.04, it works for nmbd for both soft/hard, works only for hard on smbd
[15:56] <gQuigs> on 14.04, it doesn't seem to do anything
[16:46] <gQuigs> seems changing smb.conf was the answer


[00:25] <RAOF> niedbalski: Do you have any insight into the percona-xtradb-cluster-5.6 autopkgtest failure with diaspora-installer? I'm not confident that it's a false-positive.
[02:12] <Anticom> Hi all. Is there any reason, there are no packages for docker-compose, docker-machine, docker-machine-driver-kvm, kubectl and minikube ?
[02:12] <Anticom> (I'm on Ubuntu 16.04)
[02:33] <mwhudson> Anticom: there is a package for docker-compose i think?
[02:33] <Anticom> mwhudson: oh, my bad, there is indeed
[02:34] <mwhudson> in general dockerish things move fast enough that distributing them via the archive is a pain though
[02:34] <Anticom> mwhudson: so it *should* be up to the project maintainers to provide a CI/CD to a launchpad ppa etc. ?
[02:41] <sarnold> Anticom: hopefully useful, https://conjure-up.io/ https://jujucharms.com/canonical-kubernetes/ and https://www.ubuntu.com/kubernetes
[02:43] <stokachu> Anticom: fwiw kubectl is packaged as a snap
[02:55] <Anticom> stokachu: minikube aswell, but in like v0.8.0 where v0.32.0 or something along those lines is the current one
[06:02] <NewGnuGuy> When a new version of a package (in this case libsdl2) is migrated from Debian unstable to testing, will that package automatically get added the latest Ubuntu stable release (in this case Artful) or does something have to be done manually?
[06:06] <NewGnuGuy> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2 Version 2.0.7 is listed for Bionic, but 2.0.6 is still listed for Artful. 2.0.6 suffers from these crash-inducing bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/+bug/1722060 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/+bug/1727849
[06:35] <cpaelzer> NewGnuGuy: hi, once a Ubuntu release is released we no more pick up updates/changes by default
[06:35] <Unit193> (Answered in #xubuntu)
[06:35] <cpaelzer> NewGnuGuy: instead it then goes into maintenance which more or less means fixes yes, features no (as they often introduce new issues and could regress)
[06:35] <cpaelzer> oh I see Unit193
[06:35] <cpaelzer> then TL;DR https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[06:35] <cpaelzer> but already answered there
[06:38] <Unit193> Would be nicer to have the factoid say more, but ah well.
[07:31] <mwhudson> apw: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docker.io/+bug/1692912 really in progress?
[08:16] <apw> mwhudson: pretty sure that was an artful kernel systemd inert
[08:16] <apw> interaction. that got resolved long ago
[08:17] <mwhudson> apw: i'll close it then?
[08:17] <apw> yeah please, sure that was fixed in the kernel config in the end
[08:18] <mwhudson> most docker.io bugs are upgrade failures that i have no idea how to reproduce
[08:18] <mwhudson> might as well try to stay on top of the others :)
[08:20] <apw> good enough :)
[14:58] <xnox> Laney, i'm not happy =( the autopkgtest qemu runner does not work on s390x, as it is waiting for a console that is not available. I think i actually want to use ssh runner, but with the local qemu vm that was created. Has there been any work done to achieve that? e.g. have like a uvt-kvm running?
[14:59] <xnox> i think uvt-kvm + ssh runner might be a better match.
[14:59] <rbasak> I pushed cpaelzer's fix for s390x to uvtool upstream earlier FWIW.
[14:59] <rbasak> Not done an upload to Bionic yet.
[14:59] <Laney> xnox: No, you could probably write an SSH setup script for it though
[15:00] <xnox> Laney, just for myself; or do you think upstreaming / supporting such an option could be useful, in general?
[15:00] <xnox> rbasak, ack, thanks.
[15:00] <Laney> Fine for upstream I think, although I'm not upstream so I can't say for sure
[15:01] <Laney> probably file a bug at Debian to discuss it
[15:04] <cpaelzer> xnox: I think I once fixed it to work on the cloudimg - was some weird mapping of consoles to ttyS
[15:04] <cpaelzer> xnox: but it never worked reliably
[15:04] <cpaelzer> which is why I haven't propsed anything
[15:05] <cpaelzer> All I remember is a morning of ugly details with pitti back then which was just enough to get my test working
[15:05] <cpaelzer> an ssh-runner certainly sounds better if that is doable
[15:05] <cpaelzer> and a more generic solution
[16:22] <juliank> rbalint: hey, congrats. welcome to the core dev world :)
[16:28] <juliank> rbalint: that reminds me that I'd like to hear your thoughts about my latest two comments in bug 1690980 (it's your patch to apt, after all). I'll be playing with what I proposed shortly, but if the broken state is already less broken than the current state, I guess we could mark the SRU as verified and track the "regression" elsewhere.
[16:30] <rbalint> juliank: thanks!
[16:30] <juliank> (The goal of that bug was to give u-u run by apt-daily more time to complete on shutdown, but the process only stops the top-level shell script. systemd considers the unit exited after that apparently, but the processes are still running. I'm not sure if it waits for them on shutdown or not - if it does, that's OK enough, if not, then it's essentially the same state as now)
[16:32] <juliank> I guess we should probably fix it anyway. I'm excited to see if the shell wait trap thing works as expected :)
[16:34] <rbalint> juliank: i just looked at your comment the other day and wanted to pick up the line
[16:34] <rbalint> juliank: u-u-s is also expected to send TERM to u-u which will terminate it gracefully
[16:35] <rbalint> juliank: this needs an sru which i wanted to prepare for a long time but did not get to it and also i was happy with the extended testing in artful
[16:36] <rbalint> juliank: let me add this to the bug, too
[16:37] <juliank> The thing is that systemctl stop apt-daily-upgrade.service currently just terminates the apt-daily script, which is suboptimal. It should also terminate unattended-upgrades. But, yes, I think there's a missing dependency on an u-u that actually supports SIGTERM for graceful canceling
[16:37] <juliank> Though, the two are independent. Without a u-u that properly handles SIGTERM, it's still better than now.
[16:38] <juliank> (where systemd just kills the entire cgroup)
[16:38] <juliank> s/kills/terms/
[16:39] <juliank> rbalint: I guess optimally, we'd now just tell the script to send SIGUSR1 to unattended-upgrade, then you don't need the SIGTERM change for u-u SRUed for the change to be actually useful
[16:39] <rbalint> juliank: i agree that apt-daily-upgrade.service should TERM children but this step missing will not cause problems as long as u-u.service sends the proper signal to u-u when shutting down
[16:40] <juliank> rbalint: I guess it depends on whether systemd waits for that to be terminated or not
[16:40] <rbalint> juliank: it my tests it did
[16:42] <juliank> Then I guess we should mark the bug as verified (though weird interaction with an u-u SRU, I guess), and let the apt SRUs enter, and once there are u-u SRUs, it works better.
[16:42]  * juliank thinks we kind of need verified-done-<distro>-<package> :D
[16:42] <juliank> s/verified/verification/
[16:46] <rbalint> juliank: yes thanks for the apt changes, they are good
[16:46]  * juliank has to leave (or go /away) now, but will be /back shortly (and has a bouncer anyway) :)
[16:47] <Odd_Bloke> rbalint: Congrats!
[16:50] <rbalint> Odd_Bloke: thanks! :-)
[16:54] <juliank> Hmm has anyone considered apt running dpkg in its own systemd scope
[16:54] <juliank> That sounds like it would be fun :)
[16:55] <juliank> Like a dpkg.scope where dpkg and maintscrpts run in. This gets them out of any service unit whatsoever.
[19:33] <jbicha> ricotz: thanks for the Firefox 58 Beta emoji fix, are you going to apply the same fix to Thunderbird?
[19:47] <ricotz> jbicha, probably with the first 58 beta
[19:48] <jbicha> so we'd have to wait for Thunderbird 59 for that to land in regular Ubuntu?
[20:15] <mwhudson> rbalint: congrats!
[20:18] <ricotz> jbicha, it could be added with 52.5.0 though
[20:19] <jbicha> ricotz: are you working on the TB 52.5 update? or do I really just need to ping Chris?
[20:20] <sarnold> rbalint: congratulations on core-dev :)
[20:21] <ricotz> jbicha, I will likely take a look when there are tags available, but reminding chris about it won't hurt
[20:33] <Unit193> ricotz: Are you still working on or interested in esr?
[20:35] <ricotz> Unit193, I am maintaining them in a PPA
[20:35] <Unit193> That's a "yes", then thanks!
[20:36] <ricotz> Unit193, https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/
[20:37] <Unit193> ricotz: I was just unsure if you became disinterested with all the 'snap' talk afterwards, good to know you haven't.
[20:39] <rbalint> mwhudson, sarnold thank you! :-)
[22:19] <jbicha> doko: could you look into this ftbfs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vcdimager/0.7.24+dfsg-0.3 ?
[22:39] <mwhudson> ",  | libc-dev,"
[22:39] <mwhudson> nice
[22:40] <juliank> mwhudson: eww, where did you find this awful thing?
[22:40] <juliank> oh, in the ubild log
[22:43] <nacc> ha
[22:43] <juliank> I mean, it's simply libc6-dev used to provide libc-dev, but does not
[22:43] <nacc> no, it's a buggy change
[22:43] <juliank> hence the first part in LIBCDEV=$(shell dpkg-awk 'Provides:libc-dev' -- Package | sed -ne 's/^Package:[[:space:]]*//p' | head -1) | libc-dev is empty
[22:43] <nacc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25970523/
[22:43] <nacc> shouldn't that be in the ) ?
[22:44] <nacc> or it's tryign to force a string out? then it should be i quotes, no?
[22:44] <juliank> nacc: That line did not change, it used to become libc6-dev | libc-dev
[22:44] <nacc> juliank: oh i see
[22:44] <juliank> but libc6-dev is not providing libc-dev anymore, hence only the | libc-dev remains
[22:44] <nacc> right
[22:45] <nacc> it seems like an inherently fragile thing
[22:47] <juliank> nacc: though actually libc6-dev seems to privde libc-dev, but I guess it needs to be installed and isn't. In any case detecting it like this is wrong.
[22:47] <juliank> On my debian this would return libc6-dev-sparc64-cross | libc-dev
[22:47] <juliank> that's not right
[22:47] <juliank> :D
[22:48] <juliank> Should just hardcode libc6-dev there
[22:50] <juliank> (obviously not applicable to debian due to kfreebsd and stuff, but a right solution probably is more complicated)
[22:54] <nacc> juliank: yeah, it feels weird to be build-time dependent on runtime state
[22:56] <juliank> nacc: the problematic thing is just Debian kfreebsd and stuff with libc0.1-dev and whatever
[22:56] <juliank> nacc: but one fun fact to realize: The dpkg-awk match matches a substring :D
[22:58] <nacc> heh
[22:59] <juliank> Could go with grep-aptavail -FProvides libc-dev  --and -FBuild-Essential yes -nsPackage | head -1
[22:59] <juliank> but it's also not really multi-arch friendly
[23:00] <juliank> Could add an and --architecture $(shell dpkg-architecture ...) in there
[23:00] <juliank> Or use LANG=C apt-cache showpkg libc-dev | and grep the first line after Reverse Provides.
[23:01] <juliank> My awk is not strong enough for that
[23:03] <juliank> That does the trick: apt-cache showpkg libc-dev | sed -n '/^Reverse Provides/ { n; p; }' | cut -f1 -d\
[23:05] <juliank> You might want to arch qualify libc-dev with whatever you are building for, though, for cross-compilation bonus points


[04:43] <meowbuntu> hi is there a kubuntu studio
[05:09] <holstein> hey meowbuntu
[05:09] <holstein> you can add the ubuntu studio packages to any ubuntu flavor
[05:09] <holstein> !vanilla
[05:10] <holstein> AFAIK ubuntustudio only has a gnome version
[05:10] <holstein> but there might be a remastersys around somewhere or somthing
[05:18] <meowbuntu> hi
[05:18] <meowbuntu> is there a kubuntu studio
[05:24] <holstein> hmmmm
[05:25] <holstein> the short answer is no
[05:25] <holstein> see..
[05:25] <holstein> !vanilla
[05:25] <holstein> to install ubuntu studio packages in kubuntu
[05:26] <holstein> OR sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:26] <holstein> after installing ubuntu studio
[07:14] <meowbuntu> is there a kubuntu studio
[07:16] <jussi01> meowbuntu: youve now asked that 3 times, and been given the answer twice...
[07:18] <meowbuntu> i get it there is no kubuntustudio version. ok got it
[07:21] <Blank__> if you're willing to put the effort in you could theoretically make one, though
[07:22] <holstein> --- /j #kubuntustudio :)
[10:09] <oholic> considering this channel is logged... can anyone check the log from when I asked my question to see if it was answered?"
[10:10] <oholic> that would be desireable
[10:10] <oholic> oops
[10:10] <oholic> wrong window, sorry
[12:23]  * kewlbns69 got his motu 828MK II running with jack and is very happy :-D
[13:34] <shingalated2> hi, I've got a fresh install and I can't get JACK to show any of my mic or line in ports on my sound card
[13:35] <shingalated2> it only has MIDI stuff
[21:39] <edakiri> how can file modification time be set from EXIF tag of photo taken time in a batch process?
[21:44] <edakiri> I'm away now.  If somone knows, please also PRIVMSG me to be sure i get your message.
[23:06] <cellofellow> I just finished helping a friend install Ubuntu Studio Karmic on his laptop. Why, for some reason, was Network Manager not included in the default installation?
[23:06] <cellofellow> I had to use my laptop to download the nm packages to a thumbdrive and install from there.


[14:13] <wonko> on 20.10 now. Didn't want to but 20.04 seems to have issues on ryzen? boo. :-D
[16:44] <OvenWerks> wonko: I am guessing all distros (all OS?) will have to be a lot less "Intel centric" in the future...
[16:52]  * OvenWerks notes that Intel has helped make sure their HW works well with Linux for years, it would seem AMD would be wise to follow.
[17:37] <MauroGaspari[m]> AMD CPUs are well supported. However AMD GPUs still have bugs and regressions here and there. It's getting better though.
[19:56] <wonko> from what I can tell AMD CPUs are fine with 19.10 and 20.10 but 20.04 is problematic, which is..... weird.
[19:57] <wonko> although it probably wouldn't hurt to compile kernels with specific optimizations.