[05:28] <scar[w]> good morning
[05:52] <superfly> morning scar[w]
[07:07] <Kilos> yay. Peter Nel is older than me
[07:07] <Kilos> morning superfly nuvolari and all others
[07:10] <Kilos> why doesnt someone invite him to come here for help?
[07:11] <Kilos> its hard waiting on the lists for help
[07:11] <Kilos> lo morgs Tonberry
[07:11] <morgs> morning Kilos, all
[07:11] <Tonberry> lo
[07:12] <morgs> Kilos: helps with what?
[07:12] <Kilos> he is battling with open office looks like
[07:13] <Kilos> or opening some documents
[07:13] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:14] <Kilos> sorry for not saying night last night. vodacom decided to cut data connectivity but fones still worked
[07:14] <Kilos> sigh
[07:14] <Kilos> vodacom has really gone downhill in the last 2 months
[07:20] <Kilos> i dont know if its out of place for me to invite peeps to come here because i cant help them but shame he is more of a bally than me
[07:20] <Kilos> and i dont have 11.04 running
[07:31] <nuvolari> morning oom Kilos, superfly, Tonberry, morgs
[07:32] <morgs> Kilos: you can certainly invite people to come here...
[07:33] <Kilos> oh ty
[07:47] <Kilos> now reading the mails i am not sure if its peter nel or jan greef thats the bally
[07:47] <superfly> I think it's jan greef
[07:47] <Kilos> ok i will invite him ok?
[07:52] <scar[w]> morning Kilos
[07:52] <Kilos> hi there scar[w] howzit
[07:54] <scar[w]> can't complain, reading up on logrotate I always thought these things just sat in /etc/cron.monthly or something like that
[08:20]  * Kilos waves to nlsthzn
[08:34] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kilos ...
[08:40] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:40]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:44] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[08:44] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[08:49] <nlsthzn> Maaz: But why don't you want to server me...?  I am at work currently but I did see the oppertunity to assisit with getting on IRC...
[09:22] <nlsthzn> A quick help with little thought required :p
[09:22] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn
[09:23] <nlsthzn> But if he does decide to help himself and come here I am sure he will be assisted quickly :) - The caped Kilos watches over Gotham Channel...
[09:24] <Kilos> lol
[09:24] <Kilos> he is also a bally  so this is a new experience most likely
[09:25] <Kilos> i also battled in the beginning. the fly helped me
[09:48] <Kilos> mornin Squirm2
[09:48] <Kilos> lol
[09:48] <Kilos> 2 of you now
[09:54] <Kilos> morning maiatoday
[10:09] <Squirm2> morning
[10:11] <Kilos> what is bumblebee for
[10:11] <Vhata_> fertilizing flowers
[10:12] <Kilos> hehe
[10:12] <Kilos> Vhata, well said
[10:13] <Kilos> im trying to help jan get xchat going and see he gets things like this
[10:13] <Kilos> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[10:13] <Kilos> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[10:13] <Kilos> Setting up bumblebee (2.0.0-5~maverick) ...
[10:14] <Kilos> i dont even have bumblebee in synaptic
[10:16] <Vhata> http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/361/battery-drain-problem-bumblebee-to-the-rescue
[10:16] <nlsthzn> Depending on what it is he can have added it from a different PPA
[10:17] <nlsthzn> Yup... there is a PPA...
[10:17] <Kilos> wish he could get here
[10:18] <Kilos> lists hard work
[10:29] <Kilos> at least it looks like he is using maverick so maybe i can help him
[10:50] <Kilos> hi trev_
[10:50] <trev_> hello
[10:50] <Kilos> first time i heard of xchat battling to install
[10:53] <Kilos> hiya kodez
[10:53] <kodez> hola heita kilos, how are you today?
[10:53] <Kilos> good ty kodez  and you
[10:54] <kodez> i'm better than yesterday, thanks for asking.
[10:56] <kodez> i managed to get ubuntu 11.04 DVD and am not winning in terms of configuring synaptic manager to get the remaining software from the disci. please held
[10:56] <kodez> please help
[10:57] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[10:57] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:59] <Vhata> aptitude
[10:59] <nlsthzn> aptitude has super cow powers
[10:59] <Kilos> i dont know if aptitude is in 11.04 Vhata
[10:59] <Kilos> had to install it in maverick
[11:00] <Vhata> you're kidding
[11:00] <Kilos> no
[11:00] <Kilos> its an installable package
[11:00] <Vhata> I thought it was replacing apt-get
[11:01] <Kilos> i dunno about natty
[11:01] <trev_> so the only time you use atp-get is to apt-get isntall aptitude!
[11:01] <Kilos> thats what i did trev_ . used apt-get to install aptitude
[11:01] <Kilos> lol
[11:02] <kodez> i want to install all this applications from the DVD not internet. i want to know how to configure it to look for the application from the dvd
[11:02] <Kilos> ok open the dvd
[11:02] <Kilos> right click what you want to install
[11:02] <Kilos> and install with gdebi if its still there
[11:03] <Kilos> might have dependancy issues, but if they are also on the dvd you can then install them first
[11:04] <Kilos> gdebi will tell you what dependancies are needed
[11:06] <nlsthzn> aptitude replacing apt-get... that is a new rumour... syanptic being droped for software center isn't though :)
[11:07] <Kilos> but i think you will first need to do sudo apt-get update or sudo aptitude update
[11:08] <Kilos> to my understanding update tells you system there is more than what is on the cd/dvd
[11:15] <Kilos> i member with maverick i had to install  gdebi as well
[11:29] <Kilos> i still havent found how to tell the system how to use a cd as a repo
[11:29] <Kilos> i think thats what kodez is looking for
[11:35] <nlsthzn> When inserting a CD with packages I normally get a message saying that a software source has been found and if I would like to scan it...
[11:35] <kodez> hi kilos, i appreciate your advice but that means i must  consistently look for the packages one by one while if i can use synaptic package manager i can select multiple application
[11:37] <kodez> nlsthza, unfortunately that message is not coming up but suprisingly it does when insert the same DVD on my laptop.
[11:38] <kodez> i had installed ubuntu 64 bit on my pc using the dvd and a 32bit on my laptop using an alternate cd
[11:45] <Kilos> kodez, i could never find out how to use a local cd/dvdrom as a repo
[11:45] <Kilos> it woulda saved me many days of one package at a time
[11:46] <Kilos> but i read some there is a way to tell you pc to use the dvd as a repo but that long gone
[11:46] <|3o|3> Kilos: dpkg-scanpackages
[11:46] <|3o|3> You can use that to make a repo out of any group of packages
[11:46] <Kilos> ty |3o|3
[11:47] <Kilos> kodez, ^^
[11:47] <|3o|3> I can't remember where the tutorial is for it that I used when I didn't have internet
[11:48] <Kilos> lol i not the only one that forgets or losing things
[11:52] <superfly> Kilos: apt-cdrom
[11:52] <nlsthzn> in software sources you should still see the installation DVD as a source but without it being selected... maybe look at how it looks... insert CD/DVD and add a new source that resembles that entry but with the new info about the new CD/DVD... (sorry at work on XP can't play and see to assist more)
[11:53] <superfly> Maaz: tell kodez apt-cdrom
[11:53] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell kodez on freenode
[11:53] <Kilos> ty superfly
[11:54] <nlsthzn> apt-awesome upgrade superfly -fy
[11:54] <Kilos> lol
[11:56] <nlsthzn> maiatoday: http://i.imgur.com/24lvg.jpg made me think of you :p
[12:24]  * nlsthzn is a conversation killer of the highest caliber
[12:25] <Kilos> what you did now
[12:28] <kodez> how can i mount an image (iso) file? i had forgotten the synatax
[12:28] <nlsthzn> After my last comment the channel was quiet for more than half an hour before I posted again :p
[12:28] <Kilos> hehe
[12:28] <nlsthzn> kodez: are you in terminal or in a GUI?
[12:29] <kodez> lol. unfortunately i was offline
[12:29] <Kilos> everything is quiet nlsthzn  even jan hasnt come back to me
[12:29] <kodez> both but i am interested to mount using the terminal
[12:30] <kodez> the iso is in my desktop and i want to mount it to /media/iso
[12:30] <Kilos> he has a strange maverick that wont even install xchat
[12:30] <nlsthzn> kodez: sorry... I don't know how to mount that way (sad really) ... give me a few months... I got the book and I will pass the LPI exam before the year of the linux desktop
[12:31] <kodez> i must pass that exam too but must have a sturdy study program
[12:31] <Kilos> kodez, nuvolari and kbmonkey are going to do it online here soon
[12:32] <kodez> do what? do you mean the exam?
[12:32] <nlsthzn> kodez: cool... good luck... I know I will need it :p
[12:33] <Kilos> they are going to go through the whole course
[12:33] <kodez> kwl, i am available to learn. i must just get some more airtime
[12:34] <Kilos> they gave the link to download the manual they will be working through
[12:34] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Hmmm... that is good news... I have two free online study guides (suspect they will be using one of them) as well as a study guide by Sybex...
[12:35] <kodez> please pass the link again
[12:35] <Kilos> i am trying to find it
[12:36] <Kilos> gotta scroll back 3 days i think
[12:36] <Kilos> was 4.2meg
[12:37] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[12:38] <nlsthzn> Kilos: your the man :)
[12:38] <Kilos> o.O
[12:38] <nlsthzn> Hmmm... don't think I have this one to be honest... Mr. Kilos please tell the guys to announce on the mailing list and/or on the web site when they plan on doing this
[12:39] <Kilos> i dunno how you guys gonna remember all those commands
[12:39] <Squirm> hmm, I also have a good manual somewhere
[12:39]  * Squirm browses bookmarks
[12:39] <nlsthzn> man man
[12:39] <Kilos> this is the latest Squirm
[12:39] <kodez> thanks kilos
[12:39] <Kilos> yw kodez
[12:39] <nlsthzn> This is one of those I have...
[12:40] <kodez> fro the link
[12:40] <Kilos> for teachers too
[12:41] <Squirm> the shuttleworth foundation had study material
[12:42] <Squirm> tbh I dont know how up to date it is
[12:42] <nlsthzn> There has been a revision to the curriculum recently... 2010 I think
[12:51] <Kilos> nlsthzn, i will tell themj or ask them to do so. or do it for them
[12:52] <nlsthzn> Kilos: thanks :) depending on what they are planning I hope they have some notes etc. for anyone not able to be online when they do... as I am always off-line when it matters :p
[12:57] <Kilos> as far as i know nlsthzn they are going through the whole manual for anyone that needs help
[12:58] <Kilos> and there will always be the logs here to look back on
[12:58] <nlsthzn> Depending on how fast they go I might be able to keep up :) ... but the learning curve is steep...
[12:59] <Kilos> well hopefully i will have data to  be with you all so mostly it will be at my speed
[12:59] <Kilos> hehe
[13:00] <Kilos> but with the manual you can go through it and check where you steek vas
[13:03] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Cool... so you going to become a 1337 *nix hacker too... sweet
[13:03] <Kilos> lol no man i have to keep going back to the manual for commands
[13:04] <Kilos> but if i can learn just a little it will be more than i know now
[13:06] <nlsthzn> I think you will be surprised how much you already know... every now and again I hear questions or see people do strange things and go "WTF!?" Then I realize that many things that have become second nature wasn't so a few years ago :)
[13:11] <Kilos> thats what makes it frustrating for lotsa guys to help us newbies
[13:11] <Kilos> like when i started i was given commands  without sudo in the front mosta the time
[13:11] <Kilos> and couldnt get things to work
[13:12] <Kilos> at least now i remember sudo if it doesnt work without it
[13:12] <Kilos> and even a killer command to become root
[13:12] <Kilos> hehe
[13:13] <nlsthzn> In Ubuntu you really never have to be root...
[13:13] <nlsthzn> Make me a sandwhich
[13:13] <nlsthzn> No
[13:13] <nlsthzn> sudo make me a sandwhich
[13:13] <nlsthzn> :p
[13:14] <Kilos> i have had to when things went bad here
[13:14] <Kilos> twice sudo wasnt good enough
[13:14] <nlsthzn> They shouldn't ever get that bad :p
[13:15] <Kilos> ya but murphy lives here
[13:15] <nlsthzn> :)
[13:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:16]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:16] <Kilos> nlsthzn, coffee time
[13:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee time
[13:17] <Maaz> It is always coffee time!
[13:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[13:17] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[13:17] <kodez> what time will the class start?
[13:17] <Kilos> what class?
[13:18] <kodez> lpi?
[13:18] <Kilos> they will tell us when the are ready kodez
[13:19] <Kilos> they still working it all out
[13:19] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[13:20] <kodez> ok, i want to go to BP garage to get 8ta airtime and i don't want to loose. but i hope i will not loose that much if they will start before i'm back
[13:20] <Kilos> it wont be today kodez
[13:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:20] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[13:29] <nlsthzn> :)
[13:29] <nlsthzn> I am having some tea...so there :p
[13:29] <Kilos> lol
[14:04] <Kilos> what can be blocking jan here please
[14:04] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21nsme6pk
[14:04] <Kilos> synaptic normally blocks it
[14:07] <nlsthzn> Social networking site blocked at work... sorry...
[14:08] <Kilos> np nlsthzn  ty
[14:09] <Kilos> its the normall message you get if you sudo install and synaptic is open
[14:09] <Kilos> all he has open is thunderbird and skype
[14:10] <Kilos> i dunno what thunderbird is
[14:11] <Kilos> told him to do sudo apt-get update and upgrade
[14:11] <Kilos> he says this now
[14:11] <Kilos> I'm currently running updates Miles, perhaps that will help. The UMgr
[14:11] <Kilos> says it has to do a partial upgrade due to some problems with updates,
[14:11] <Kilos> will keep in touch. Perhaps it has to do with my aborted attempt to
[14:11] <Kilos> remove CompizConfig from the system.
[14:11] <Kilos> sigh
[14:13] <nlsthzn> ah... I know
[14:13] <nlsthzn> but not exactly
[14:13] <Kilos> lol
[14:13] <nlsthzn> there will be a file that is showing that the system is busy... basically locked that needs to be either edited or deleted... I am not sure what file and not sure which option
[14:14] <Kilos> shame he must be so frustrated, we been at it all morning
[14:14] <Kilos> hopefully his updates fixes his prob
[14:15] <nlsthzn> rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction
[14:15] <nlsthzn> there is a file that needs deleting ... this command seems suspect cause it says rpm... got it from google
[14:16] <Kilos> he will let me know as soon as he has done updating
[14:16] <nlsthzn> but this happens when a previous session was terminated worngly and the lock it created isn'r removed
[14:16] <nlsthzn> I think that is the issue as I have only the info of the last half hour in IRC to go on :p
[14:16] <Kilos> yeah rpm is not with maverick
[14:16] <Kilos> np nlsthzn ty for trying
[14:18] <nlsthzn> All of them say to delete the lock file... so just need to find it :p
[14:19] <nlsthzn> /var/lib/dpkg/lock maybe this is the lock file for ubuntu
[14:19] <nlsthzn> so it should be sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[14:20] <nlsthzn> then do sudo apt-get clean
[14:20] <nlsthzn> then do sudo apt-get clean
[14:20] <nlsthzn> sudo apt-get update
[14:20] <nlsthzn> sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:20] <nlsthzn> I think :p
[14:21] <nlsthzn> I don't know... will only be home in a few hours
[14:24] <Kilos> thanks i will tell him when he comes back to me
[14:25] <Kilos> might be that compizconf he tried to remove
[14:25] <Kilos> i dont even know what that does
[14:26]  * nlsthzn shrugs
[14:27] <Kilos> lol
[14:28] <nlsthzn> I usually re-install long before I have given enough though or care into the problem (which makes me lousy at remembering commands and trouble-shooting
[14:28] <Kilos> lol
[14:29] <Kilos> maybe there is a repair broken packages command
[14:30] <Kilos> im scared to tell him to do it on bootup in case he does know how to login from there
[14:31] <Kilos> maybe thats the best for him that recovery at boot
[14:31] <nlsthzn> Is he in contact with you via e-mail?
[14:31] <nlsthzn> Where can I get more info on his issue?
[14:31] <Kilos> and i must just tell him to sudo gdm start to get back in
[14:31] <Kilos> yeah on the lists
[14:33] <Kilos> it looks like he is locked out from installing anything since deleted compiz
[14:33] <Kilos> one of the times i had to use root was with a similar prob
[14:34] <Kilos> locked out from installing anything
[14:34] <nlsthzn> Hmmm... I have to check my spam folder...
[14:35] <Kilos> yeah dunno why gmail sends some ubuntu peeps to spam
[14:36] <nlsthzn> Nah... I am not finding the mail with the info :/ I must be slipping in my old age... :p
[14:36] <Kilos> hehe
[14:36] <Kilos> in our lists
[14:37] <Kilos> i have deleted 5 or 6 in my evolution
[14:37] <nlsthzn> I looked... I saw one Jan moaning about someone elses issues but not one struggling with installing stuff :/
[14:38] <nlsthzn> do you have the e-mail subject for me...
[14:38] <Kilos> sec i go see
[14:41] <nlsthzn> I have to go home now :D... just talk to my secretary.... she is called Maaz online :p
[14:41] <Kilos> lol
[14:52] <|3o|3> Anyone have a 64 bit natty in Hermanus?
[14:55] <nuvolari> Kilos: pong
[14:56] <Kilos> lo nuvolari kodez will weet wanneer julle begin met julle klasse
[14:56] <Kilos> hy stel ook belang
[14:56] <Kilos> en neil ook
[15:00] <nuvolari> Kilos: well, ons gaan deur die materiaal soos ons tyd kry
[15:01] <Kilos> ok nuvolari  hulle vra of jy dit sal op die lists sit wanneer julle reg is
[15:02] <nuvolari> hmm, ons sal die mailing list details hier moet opsit
[15:03] <Kilos> ja asb seun
[15:03] <Kilos> kondig net aan wanneer hier en op die lists
[15:24] <Kilos> hiya Langjan
[15:25] <Kilos> are you here from the mailing lists Langjan ?
[15:34] <Kilos> not easy for us ballies to get used to these wonderful new toys
[15:35] <Kilos> hehe
[15:43] <Kilos> hi Langjan  i see you here
[15:44] <Kilos> at the bottom of the window you see where it says #ubuntu-za-freenode tick there and then type
[16:40] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[16:40] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[16:40] <kbmonkey> how you?
[16:40] <Kilos> couple more guys interest in your LPI course
[16:40] <Kilos> well ty
[16:41] <Kilos> and you?
[16:41] <kbmonkey> fine. yes i saw them join the email list. im not sure if it works though, messages not coming thru. hmm
[16:41] <Kilos> eish
[16:42] <Kilos> gmail sometimes dumps peeps in spam. i dunno why
[17:30] <nuvolari> o/
[17:30] <nuvolari> yellow, will anyone have something against me if I post info about the LPI learning group to ubuntu-za mailing list?
[17:31] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: please DO!!!!!!!
[17:33] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: oh and I have run into a number of awesome plug-ins chrome exclusive :( ... Guess it is +1 for them but it does cause other browsers to start lagging behind when it is for Gmail, and G+...
[17:35] <nuvolari> hmm, I think I'll just get the list archive link :P it was posted by kbmonkey already
[17:37] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: any idea when you guys want to start this thing?
[17:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: lpi.init is http://goo.gl/8Pnv0
[17:38] <Maaz> nuvolari: Got it
[17:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: lpi.init
[17:38] <Maaz> nuvolari: lpi.init is http://goo.gl/8Pnv0
[17:38] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: ^
[17:39] <nuvolari> oom Kilos ^
[17:39] <Kilos> ja nuvolari
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <nuvolari> daai link is die begin van ons LPI-mission
[17:39] <Kilos> ok ek gaan kyk
[17:40] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: oh... I saw this mail... I want to do it, but I am not in SA... I will do the exam and studying alone here in the UAE...
[17:40] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: you're welcome do that
[17:41] <nuvolari> It's not restricted to ZA, as we're quite wide-spread here to have actual meet-ups
[17:41] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: hmmm... then I will definitly look into doing this...
[17:42] <nuvolari> so the goal is to have a group of people that knows the same stuff, asking questions or providing help to other ones
[17:42] <nuvolari> it's pretty much self-paced since we don't all have the same schedules
[17:43] <nuvolari> I will mention that everyone needs to read the initial mailing list post
[17:44] <Kilos> nuvolari, how can it say mail to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[17:44] <Kilos> to subscribe
[17:44] <nuvolari> eh?
[17:44] <kbmonkey> hey nuvolari, yes thanks for that link :D
[17:44] <nuvolari> nee oom Kilos
[17:44] <nuvolari> it's a bit up, not the last link
[17:44] <Kilos> wat doen ek verkeerd
[17:44] <kbmonkey> btw did you get that email from the mailing list nuvolari? I wonder if the mails are going through
[17:45] <Kilos>  * send an email to linux-learning-sa-request at freelists.org with
[17:45] <Kilos> 'subscribe' in the Subject field
[17:45] <kbmonkey> I hope the mails don't get spam blocked :/
[17:45] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: which one?
[17:45] <nuvolari> I got several :P
[17:45] <nuvolari> 2 to be exact
[17:45] <Kilos> i dont find an email address there
[17:46] <kbmonkey> oh well if you got any, then I'm happy nuvolari :)
[17:46] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom, dis weggesteek :P
[17:46] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom moet die 'at' met 'n @ vervang
[17:46] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: will doublecheck
[17:46] <nuvolari> which ones I got
[17:47] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: the one with the link to the LPI pdf?
[17:47] <nuvolari> I received that right after subscribing
[17:47] <kbmonkey> the welcome email has that link, I'll find it for you...
[17:48] <kbmonkey> the link to the pdf -> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[17:48] <kbmonkey> the first link, the new syllabus
[17:48] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: it's the one i'm talking about :P
[17:49] <kbmonkey> sorry, I'm busy multitasking, silly apie!
[17:49] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: did you read the part in the manual mentioning that the aim is to make it affordable in africa?
[17:49] <kbmonkey> yes that is great
[17:50] <nuvolari> I doubt the figures they mention in the mails are really following convention
[17:50] <nuvolari> especially if they aim for the greater part of africa
[17:51] <nlsthzn> done :D
[17:52] <nlsthzn> Sweet rules for posting... I like the vibe... plus one for sure
[17:53] <kbmonkey> he he
[17:53] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: now that I surf the archives... I think they ended up in my spam folder
[17:53]  * nuvolari goes to look
[17:54] <kbmonkey> only after everything did I click I should have used google groups for the list - less likely to be spam blocked
[17:55] <nuvolari> whoa! google is spot-on. I got a phishing mail
[17:56] <nuvolari> whut? FNB and Nedbank, the same mail
[17:59] <nlsthzn> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon
[18:01] <nuvolari> :? something is not right
[18:01] <nuvolari> I'm subscribed, but didn't receive the last 2 messages you sent kbmonkey
[18:03] <nuvolari> and it's not in my spam folder
[18:04] <kbmonkey> that is worrying
[18:05] <kbmonkey> maybe i need to move it to google groups before the list gets any discussions going
[18:05] <kbmonkey> because I checked the list settings and my spam too and can't see any reason for the lost mails
[18:06] <Kilos> why is it so involed to subscribe
[18:06]  * nuvolari points at kbmonkey
[18:06] <nuvolari> not me oom
[18:06] <nuvolari> :P
[18:07] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: check for a "ping" mail
[18:07] <kbmonkey> by default, you need to confirm the subscription Kilos, to avoid scripts from subsribing
[18:08] <Kilos> List context changed to 'linux-learning-sa' by following command.
[18:08] <Kilos> >> appsub linux-learning-sa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>4E1DDB02:1E29.1:yvahkyrneavatfn
[18:08] <Kilos> Subscribed.
[18:08] <Kilos> ?
[18:08] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ye, it's weird.
[18:08] <nuvolari> Request received for list 'linux-learning-sa' via request address.
[18:08] <nuvolari> >> ping?
[18:08] <nuvolari> Unknown command.
[18:08] <nuvolari> >> --
[18:08] <nuvolari> Found signature marker, ending command mode.
[18:08] <nuvolari> that's after it said I'm subscribed
[18:10] <Kilos> this be very weird
[18:10] <Kilos> where do i confirm and what must i confirm if it says i am subscribed
[18:10] <nuvolari> Kilos: well, that's what I did
[18:10] <nuvolari> thought I'm subscribed
[18:11] <kbmonkey> it's strange nuvolari because when I log into the freelist admin section, it only shows two users, me and corrie
[18:11] <nuvolari> :?
[18:11] <nuvolari> weird
[18:11] <Kilos> o/
[18:11] <kbmonkey> it's like everybody else aren't in the user list
[18:11] <kbmonkey> \o
[18:12] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: exactly :P
[18:12] <kbmonkey> I think I should move to G groups
[18:12] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I guess you created it using google+ and we're not in your circle
[18:12] <nuvolari> fine
[18:12] <nuvolari> be lke that
[18:12] <nuvolari> *like
[18:12] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha
[18:12] <kbmonkey> +1
[18:16] <nuvolari> maybe I should try my hand at setting up mailman
[18:17]  * Kilos needs to practise whacking peeps online
[18:19] <nuvolari> like me oom Kilos ?
[18:19] <nuvolari> why?
[18:19] <nlsthzn> wife plugged out my PC :/
[18:20] <nuvolari> lol
[18:20] <nuvolari> wb anyways
[18:20] <Kilos> like kbmonkey  for making things so difficult and making me go to them sights
[18:20] <Kilos> lol @nl
[18:20] <Kilos> grr
[18:20] <nuvolari> whoot! mailman documentation in DVI format
[18:21] <nuvolari> don't see a lot of those
[18:21] <nuvolari> LaTeX ftw
[18:21] <Kilos> i still dunno if i am subscribed
[18:21] <nuvolari> Kilos: don't worry oom
[18:21] <nuvolari> we're going to ditch that one
[18:21] <nuvolari> we're going to get a bigger circle
[18:21] <nlsthzn> Kilos: you will get mail to reply too and get another mail
[18:21] <Kilos> why not put it in our ubuntu-za lists
[18:22] <Kilos> i got about 5 so far
[18:22] <Kilos> some saying leave the body intact
[18:22]  * nuvolari feels intimidated by mailman's documentation
[18:23] <nuvolari> Kilos: I gave up on it oom
[18:23] <nuvolari> after it said I can't try again
[18:23] <nuvolari> :P
[18:23] <nuvolari> said I'm abusing it
[18:23] <Kilos> i think advertise on our mailing list as well
[18:23] <Kilos> inna normal  mail
[18:24] <Kilos> that ballies can understand
[18:24] <Kilos> Request received for list 'linux-learning-sa' via request address.
[18:24] <Kilos> >> subscribe
[18:24] <Kilos> Subscription confirmation ticket sent to user being subscribed.
[18:25] <Kilos> so where is my confirmation ticket
[18:26] <Kilos> kbmonkey, do you see me there yet
[18:26] <Kilos> i have now got 8 mails
[18:27] <kbmonkey> 8 mails Kilos ?! what do they all say? im confused
[18:27] <Kilos> how do i follow this command
[18:27] <Kilos> List context changed to 'linux-learning-sa' by following command.
[18:27] <Kilos> >> appsub linux-learning-sa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>4E1DE070:2B7F.1:yvahkyrneavatfn
[18:27] <Kilos> Subscribed.
[18:27] <Kilos> thats the last one
[18:27] <kbmonkey> did you subscribe 8 times?
[18:28] <Kilos> most of them are different
[18:28] <kbmonkey> well no matter I can add you to the list manually
[18:28] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I used the web interface too
[18:28] <kbmonkey> I also subscribed with another mail and only got the one
[18:28] <nuvolari> without success
[18:28] <nuvolari> I get a welcoming mail every time
[18:28] <nlsthzn> Uncle Kilos is triple subscribed :D
[18:29] <kbmonkey> okay that settles it. dont worry oom Kilos we will sort you out :D
[18:29] <Kilos> ithen there is a welcome one
[18:29] <kbmonkey> I will use google groups (dbnlug uses that one too) and let the people involved know
[18:29] <Kilos> lol but they all a bit confusing
[18:31] <Kilos> well at least i am subscribed but i dunno which one went there
[18:31] <Kilos> which 3
[18:31] <Kilos> one was even online
[18:32] <kbmonkey> its okay Kilos, I can add you to the list manually so you won't need to go through the effort ;)
[18:32] <Kilos> oh kbmonkey  am i not there
[18:35]  * Kilos needs to learn the gobsmack thing
[18:36] <Kilos> nlsthzn, see jan got here
[18:36] <Kilos> but thenjh i think he went home before he got webchat working
[18:36] <Kilos> he be langjan
[18:37] <kbmonkey> what gobsmack thing Kilos?
[18:37] <Kilos> i dunno. saw a while back that someone gobsmacked someone else
[18:38] <Kilos> whatever that might be
[18:38] <kbmonkey> on irc?
[18:38] <Kilos> i dont remember
[18:38] <Kilos> just that word gobsmack stuck inna nut
[18:38] <nlsthzn> Who is Jan?!
[18:39]  * nuvolari looks around
[18:39] <nuvolari> not me
[18:39] <Kilos> he is a 68 year old man thats battling with maverick\
[18:39] <Kilos> prob started a while ago when he couldnt drag windows to other desktops i think
[18:40] <Kilos> then a coupla other things
[18:40] <Kilos> then tried to remove compizconfig
[18:41] <Kilos> now his pc refuses to let him update or install anything
[18:41] <Kilos> he is like i was in the beginning
[18:41] <Kilos> thats why i wanted to know if i could invite him here so we can help
[18:42] <Kilos> its very difficult via mails
[18:42] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, at last I see how it works.
[18:42] <Kilos> i dont know if compizconf can lock anything like that
[18:43] <Kilos> hey Langjan welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:44] <Kilos> xchat is much easier , we jus5t need to find out whats locking you out of being able to install anything
[18:44] <Langjan> thanks, well compiz stopped doing it when I tried to remove it which apparently disabled it (and the rest of my upgradeability)
[18:45] <Kilos> Langjan, the clever guys are here when they not too busy working but if one is patient one always gets help here
[18:46] <Langjan> Sounds good Kilos, thanks for the help thus far.
[18:46] <Kilos> you can most likely still install from root itself but lets hear what the boffins say first
[18:46] <Kilos> you are welcome
[18:47] <Kilos> kbmonkey, do we go root or not
[18:47] <Langjan> When you say root you lose me...
[18:47] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ?
[18:47] <nlsthzn> sorry uncle Kilos I am watching Jono for a bit...
[18:47] <Kilos> ok nlsthzn
[18:48] <Kilos> sudo normally gives you root access
[18:48] <Kilos> but there is one step even deeper
[18:48] <nlsthzn> what error is given when typing sudo apt-get update in terminal?
[18:48] <kbmonkey> hi there Langjan, let me read what is going on...
[18:48] <kbmonkey> :)
[18:48] <Kilos> but in there one cam make mistakes and mess up everything
[18:49] <Kilos> it says you dont have permission nlsthzn
[18:49] <Kilos> and asks are you root
[18:49] <nlsthzn> with sudo typed and correct user name entered
[18:50] <Kilos> yip
[18:50] <Kilos> even with updating it fails
[18:50] <Kilos> Langjan, do you know how to use a pastebin
[18:51] <nlsthzn> sound like the user isn't in the sudo'er file any longer... not sure how to fix that :/ give me a sec
[18:51] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn
[18:52] <nlsthzn> first link I see is the following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1054608
[18:53] <Kilos> Langjan, can you go see that link
[18:53] <kbmonkey> if he's not in the sudoers file, you can boot into recovery mode and edit the sudoers file with visudo, but that is really not an absolute beginner thing to attempt
[18:53] <Kilos> i cant go see nlsthzn
[18:53] <Kilos> jan isnt an it guy
[18:53] <Kilos> IT
[18:53] <Kilos> but not as bad as i was
[18:54] <nlsthzn> Go for it Mr Kilos ... your the go to guy now :D
[18:54] <Kilos> ive already used 2 days data today
[18:54] <kbmonkey> what exactly is the problem, Langjan? can you fill me in
[18:54] <Kilos> no man you guys are the brains
[18:55] <Kilos> he cannot install anything
[18:55] <Kilos> or even upgrade
[18:56] <Kilos> here is an example output
[18:56] <Kilos> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo apt-get install xchat
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> [sudo] password for jan:
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> temporarily unavailable)
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is
[18:56] <Kilos> >>>> another process using it?
[18:56] <Kilos> sorry for spamming
[18:57] <kbmonkey> ah I know how to fix that :D
[18:57] <kbmonkey> you are right Kilos, when you have synaptic or the software center is using it, it gets locked
[18:58] <kbmonkey> let me query the all knowing google...
[18:58] <Kilos> but they are both off
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <Langjan> Pastebin? Don't even know what it is. Problem is when I tried to remove compiz it froze on me, it was logging me out every few minutes. Since then my system does not update.
[18:59] <Kilos> i would have gone root and done apt-get upgrade
[18:59] <Kilos> Langjan,  do ytou know how to go recoverymode when booting
[18:59] <Langjan> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ apt-get upgrade E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$
[18:59] <kbmonkey> the root user is disabled in Ubuntu as far as I know Kilos, which is why we use sudo instead
[19:00] <Kilos> i went in there with sudo -i
[19:00] <kbmonkey> Langjan, I assume you have rebooted since, and still get that lock error?
[19:00] <Kilos> but was warned to be very careful
[19:00] <Langjan> Yes
[19:01] <Langjan> reboot did not help
[19:02] <kbmonkey> that location that the system needs is locked, and I'm just looking for the command to unlock it for you...
[19:02] <nlsthzn> the lock file needs to be deleted
[19:02] <Langjan> thanks
[19:02] <kbmonkey> it should unlock automatically when you install applications, but sometimes when something goes wrong, like a crash, it does not get unlocked
[19:03] <Langjan> should I try to install an application?
[19:03] <kbmonkey> Langjan, try this command in a terminal:
[19:03] <kbmonkey> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[19:03] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: that is the one :)
[19:04] <kbmonkey> then you can try update your repos with:
[19:04] <kbmonkey> sudo apt-get update
[19:04] <Langjan> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock [sudo] password for jan:  rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/lock': No such file or directory jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$
[19:04] <nlsthzn> ?
[19:04] <nlsthzn> crap... I see I have the file
[19:04] <kbmonkey> strange, I have that file. hmmm
[19:05] <Kilos> its been hidden methinks
[19:05] <Langjan> running on update command
[19:05] <Kilos> ls -la
[19:05] <nlsthzn> Langjan: if you browse to /var/lib/dpkg do you see a file called lock?
[19:06] <kbmonkey> the file 'lock' is not hidden, hidden files start with a '.' Kilos ;)
[19:06] <Kilos> ah ty i am learning as we go
[19:07] <Kilos> maybe its dpkg that corrupt
[19:07] <Langjan> Outcome:files contains configuration for specific systems.  rofiles hasn't been individually testest and are submitted by users.                    1   System manufacturer System Product Name:                   2   PCI:01:00:0 PCI:01:00:0:                   997 Enter Manual Configuration                   998 Show all profiles.                   999 Do not configure now.
[19:07] <kbmonkey> Langjan, try this one:
[19:07] <kbmonkey> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[19:08] <kodez> look me in your heart, i'm there
[19:08] <Langjan> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock [sudo] password for jan:  jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock rm: cannot remove `/var/cache/apt/archives/lock': No such file or directory jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$
[19:09] <kodez> wrong post, apologies
[19:09] <nlsthzn> kodez: hehe
[19:09] <kbmonkey> awe kodez, you do care! ;P
[19:09] <nlsthzn> Langjan: we have many guru's here that come and go... please don't loose heart... we want to get your PC fixed as badly as you do!!
[19:10] <Langjan> Thanks guys, appreciated.
[19:11] <Kilos> is it not something that root has locked as seen in ls  -la kbmonkey
[19:11] <Kilos> brb
[19:12] <nlsthzn> Kilos: everything points towards a locked update no sudo issues
[19:12] <kbmonkey> correct Kilos, installing apps or updates does so as root, but using sudo we have access to those files
[19:14] <kbmonkey> i find it strange that both your lock files don't exist Langjan
[19:14] <Kilos> my pc did something similar and cocooncrash had to help
[19:14] <kodez> when must i come?
[19:14] <kbmonkey> Im looking for other causes of this error...
[19:15] <Kilos> sudo didnt work but installing from root did
[19:15] <nuvolari> booyah! what a mission struggling with postfix
[19:16] <Kilos> Langjan, see why i wanted you to get xchat
[19:17] <Kilos> i live on here via xchat
[19:17] <nuvolari> hmm
[19:17]  * nuvolari reads backlog
[19:20] <kbmonkey> Langjan, it seems your lock is due to an interrupted update
[19:20] <kbmonkey> try the instructions on this page to see if this helps: http://www.webmaster-forums.net/server-management/could-not-get-lock-varlibdpkglock-open-11-resource-temporarily-unavailable-error-d
[19:21] <kbmonkey> simply, it ends all the apt/dpkg processes, and runs 'dpkg --configure -a' to resume your updates
[19:22] <kbmonkey> oh and Langjan, you probably need to prefix those commands with 'sudo' so they run as the admin (root) user
[19:23] <nuvolari> ooh nice! based on ArchLinux: http://manjarolinux.org/hp/index.html
[19:24]  * nuvolari hacks into Langjan's machine
[19:24] <nuvolari> *g*
[19:24] <kbmonkey> XD
[19:26] <nlsthzn> :)
[19:26] <kbmonkey> ah nice one that nuvolari, I'll poke around Manjaro
[19:27]  * nuvolari itches to switch to something less Ubuntu-like
[19:27] <highvoltage> less Ubuntu-like in what way?
[19:28] <highvoltage> (oh I see, arch)
[19:28] <Langjan> Same result, then  jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo bash [sudo] password for jan:  root@jan-System-Product-Name:~#
[19:28] <kbmonkey> also try crunchbanglinux.org ;D
[19:29] <Langjan> Same result as at 21:07
[19:29] <kbmonkey> okay let's see Langjan
[19:30] <kbmonkey> did you run 'dpkg --configure -a' as that page said?\
[19:31] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: that manjaro is quite fresh! 9 July
[19:31] <Langjan> Yes, same dead end as at 21:07
[19:31] <kbmonkey> sorry Langjan that message at 21:07 does not make any sense to me, it doesnt seem relevant to what we doing/
[19:31] <nuvolari> or maybe I should just switch to plain debian
[19:31] <kbmonkey> Langjan: sudo apt-get update
[19:31] <superfly> Langjan: paste your terminal stuff into a pastebin please... http://pastebin.com is a good one
[19:32] <kbmonkey> also you entered 'sudo bash' which im not sure why you did but you may now be in a root terminal too
[19:33] <nlsthzn> nuvolari:
[19:33] <nlsthzn> lol
[19:33] <nlsthzn> sorry
[19:33] <nlsthzn> I am always switching distro's
[19:33] <nlsthzn> for no good reason :)
[19:34] <nuvolari> bah. support duties
[19:34] <nuvolari> brb
[19:35] <kbmonkey> Langjan, so that error you get at 21:07 is when you run 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[19:35] <Kilos> superfly, any ideas why pastebin.com makes my pc run slow
[19:35] <Langjan> Superfly, I opened the pastebin site but don't understand what you mean by paste terminal stuff into it - the results? How do I get it to you?
[19:35] <nlsthzn> guys it is late in the desert... Langjan good luck, hang in there... ubuntu rules... guys fix it k... :D
[19:35] <Kilos> i have to use slexy.org
[19:36] <Kilos> sleep tigtht nlsthzn
[19:36] <Kilos> Langjan, you copy everything in your terminal
[19:36] <superfly> Langjan: you paste, you click submit, and then you give me the url
[19:37] <Kilos> then paste it to that pastebin window
[19:37] <Kilos> sorry superfly
[19:38] <Langjan> Paste the outcome of each command?
[19:38] <kbmonkey> Langjan, you select your terminal text results, right-click to copy it, and you paste it into that empty block on the pastebin.com website
[19:38] <Kilos> the whole thing at once
[19:38] <kbmonkey> click 'cubmit', then give us the URL address of that web page :)
[19:39] <kbmonkey> *'submit'
[19:40]  * kbmonkey needs more hands and eyes to mulitask
[19:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:40] <Langjan> ok, my terminal is empty, what command would you like me to run?
[19:41] <superfly> Langjan: tell us what you are trying to do... what is your aim (not what you are attempting to run)
[19:41] <kbmonkey> first Langjan, run this: sudo apt-get update && ps -aux | grep apt
[19:46] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/EJ45eHT7
[19:47] <nuvolari> Langjan: do only "ps aux | grep apt"
[19:47] <nuvolari> and pastebin the result
[19:47] <kbmonkey> it looks like your apt does hit the repos, it gains the lock, but at some point it fails
[19:48] <kbmonkey> usually the lock would stop you from even getting this far. eh, i wonder if your apt cache is corrupt?
[19:48] <kbmonkey> could we try rm the apt cache so it rebuilds? what you other boffs think?
[19:49] <nuvolari> is synaptic running?
[19:49] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/k18tZbYJ
[19:49] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: well, depends on his connection
[19:50] <kbmonkey> its confusing nuvolari, apparently it does this after reboot and no synaptic or such running :/
[19:51] <nuvolari> ah
[19:51] <nuvolari> :? hmm
[19:51] <nuvolari> Langjan: do "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[19:51] <Langjan> ok
[19:51] <nuvolari> -rw-r----- 1 root root
[19:52] <nuvolari> Langjan: does it look like that?
[19:52] <kbmonkey> Langjan, you don't have synaptic, or the ubuntu software center open?
[19:52] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/3J8Ntazn
[19:53] <Langjan> No, nothing open except thunderbird and these sites we are on, and skype
[19:54] <nuvolari> bah. permissions are correct
[19:55] <kbmonkey> okay, let's see what other repos you have in there that may be the problem
[19:55] <kbmonkey> Langjan, pls give us the output for this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:57] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/AGS7hF7e
[20:00] <nuvolari> we're getting a good start to LPI :P
[20:00] <Kilos> uh oh
[20:01] <nuvolari> hmm. that was the wrong command
[20:02] <nuvolari> I found a thread mentioning ftp for this error...
[20:02] <nuvolari> weird
[20:03] <Kilos> we need to tell him howto do a recovery or fix broken packages on boot and then how to get gdm started again i think
[20:04] <Kilos> i am not sure if he does recovery if he will know how to get back on
[20:05] <nuvolari> Maaz: am I an idiot?
[20:05] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[20:05] <nuvolari> ah, welcome back Langjan
[20:05] <nuvolari> just got worried :P
[20:05] <Kilos> whew
[20:06] <nuvolari> Langjan: would you try "ps aux  | egrep -i 'apt|ftp|kpack|dpkg'"
[20:06] <Langjan> I rebooted just to make sure all is well
[20:06] <nuvolari> ah
[20:06] <nuvolari> before doing anything else
[20:06] <nuvolari> wait. hmm, what shoud you do
[20:06]  * nuvolari wonders
[20:06] <kbmonkey> well it seems like the sources.list has the default repos. hmm
[20:07] <kbmonkey> Langjan, try this command: sudo fuser -cuk /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:08] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/K85Vt8mY
[20:08] <kbmonkey> it will end anything using the lock, and then remove the lock
[20:08] <nuvolari> Langjan: you missed the closing '
[20:08] <Langjan> Is that a single command?
[20:09] <Langjan> Sorry, I thought it was a mistake - my mistake!!
[20:10] <kbmonkey> yes its a single command
[20:10] <Langjan> Here's the first one again: http://pastebin.com/LTjSGY5H
[20:11] <nuvolari> Langjan: eh? did yo re-run it? you missed the closing '
[20:11] <nuvolari> oh
[20:11]  * nuvolari is blind
[20:11] <nuvolari> :P
[20:12] <nuvolari> ok, there's really no package app running
[20:12] <nuvolari> did you run the command kbmonkey gave?
[20:12] <nuvolari> going to peel an orange, brb
[20:13] <kbmonkey> if I run synaptic, and the apt update I get the same error
[20:15] <Kilos> yes thats right kb
[20:15] <Kilos> its like another package manager is running
[20:15] <Kilos> first thing i told him was close synaptic
[20:15] <Kilos> but it wasnt open
[20:16] <kbmonkey> this is confusing us, all the internet says its from another package manager running at the same time. but there clearly isnt
[20:16] <Langjan_> Last command gave me a black screen, had to reboot, then: http://pastebin.com/LTjSGY5H
[20:17] <nuvolari> o.O
[20:18] <Langjan_> Could Ubuntu 10.04 on my second drive have anything to do with the problem?
[20:18] <nuvolari> this is an instant orange. just add water. really dry :-/
[20:18] <nuvolari> hmm, doubt that Langjan_
[20:18] <Kilos> lol
[20:18] <kbmonkey> Langjan_, your link from 21:53 shows the lock file is still there. try delete it again:
[20:18] <kbmonkey> sudo rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:19] <kbmonkey> just add coffee, nuvolari ;) yuck
[20:19] <kbmonkey> no I don't think your older Ubuntu could Langjan_, they should each have their own system files
[20:20] <kbmonkey> if the results are 2 lines you could paste them here
[20:20]  * nuvolari tries to imagine coffee flavoured oranges
[20:20] <Kilos> unless it can be running automatic updates, but shouldnt if its not the boot drive
[20:20] <kbmonkey> Kilos you're getting smarter every day!
[20:21] <nuvolari> mind you oom Kilos, I think you're right
[20:21] <Kilos> still jy
[20:21] <Langjan_> http://pastebin.com/4UA6ZeTd
[20:21] <Kilos> lol
[20:21] <nuvolari> my system always does a check after startup
[20:21] <kbmonkey> ah so it deleted the lock this time, hope this works!
[20:21] <kbmonkey> Langjan_: sudo apt-get update
[20:22] <nuvolari> think we should get Langjan_ to install aptitude when this ordeal is over
[20:22] <Kilos> yes
[20:22] <kbmonkey> isn't aptitude installed by default?
[20:22] <Langjan_> runing...
[20:23] <Kilos> not on maverick
[20:23] <kbmonkey> I'm on #! so I have it
[20:23] <Kilos> you have to install
[20:23] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: negative
[20:23]  * kbmonkey crosses fingers
[20:23] <Kilos> hehe
[20:23] <Kilos> it will work now
[20:24] <Kilos> but what put the lock there
[20:24] <Kilos> that is the million dollar question
[20:24] <nuvolari> I love the new conflict-resolve suggestions in 11.04
[20:24] <nuvolari> ooh, kbmonkey, you need to check out zathura
[20:24] <nuvolari> lightweight pdf reader
[20:24] <nuvolari> with vi-like key-bindings
[20:25] <kbmonkey> he tried to delete the lock at 21:04 but it said the file did not exist then. strange
[20:25] <Kilos> very
[20:25] <Kilos> some bug got in somehow
[20:27] <Langjan_> Got to a point where I had to manually run a command, then first output. I thought perhaps I should not have run the manual command, then tried anew, the second output.
[20:27] <Langjan_> http://pastebin.com/6nx83iXx
[20:27] <Langjan_> Sorry if I messed you around.!
[20:28] <kbmonkey> what is that output from Langjan_? Im not sure what to make of it :p
[20:28] <nuvolari> :? ye, looks like output from different commands
[20:28] <Kilos> kbmonkey, try that --configure -a again
[20:29] <Kilos> i forget the rest of it
[20:31] <Kilos> dpkg --configure -a
[20:31] <Kilos> what you think
[20:31] <Kilos> might go further now the lock is removed
[20:32] <Langjan_> jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ dpkg --configure -a dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a dpkg: status database area is locked by another process jan@jan-System-Product-Name:~$
[20:32] <nuvolari> what??? :O
[20:33] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:33] <Kilos> maybe we need to unplug secong drive
[20:33] <nuvolari> Kilos: he did run that oom :P halfway through the post
[20:34] <Kilos> yes but the dpkg lock has just been removed
[20:34] <kbmonkey> --configure -a tells dpkg to reconfigure packages that are still unconfigured
[20:34] <Kilos> is there a cli command to fix broken packages
[20:34] <kbmonkey> seems like Langjan_ you installed some package that is attempting to gain a lock, may be a bug in that package setup
[20:35] <kbmonkey> do you remember what you installed recently?
[20:35] <nuvolari> "The only programs that can lock the database are dpkg frontends like apt-get, synaptic, aptitude or dselect."
[20:36] <kbmonkey> or is there more to that error Langjan_, something that will tell us the name of the package doing this
[20:36] <Langjan_> Nothing I am aware of. When I tried to remove compiz it froze, then I tried to cancel the process, that also froze. Could that be the reason?
[20:39] <kbmonkey> but after removing the lock file, did you run update? did that work?
[20:39] <Kilos> Langjan_, why did you try remove compiz
[20:39] <Langjan_> Because it was logging me out every few minutes when the machine was idle
[20:40] <Kilos> ok
[20:40] <Langjan_> Or shall I say the logout problem arose after I i nstalled compiz and stopped after I tried to remove it.
[20:40] <kbmonkey> eish, I've run out of ideas here
[20:41] <kbmonkey> lets make sure you have all the compiz removed properly then, I guess
[20:41] <Kilos> Langjan_, do you know how to get back in if you go to recovery at bootup
[20:41] <Langjan_> My basics are running, lets try again another day, sleep on it.
[20:41] <kbmonkey> but I don't have compiz or any of those, so which packages do we remove?
[20:42] <Kilos> it will say login you say jan
[20:42] <Kilos> then password then it will go to the prompt
[20:42] <Kilos> then you type in sudo gdm start
[20:42] <kbmonkey> okay Langjan_, but before you go, pls paste us this output so we can sleep on it :)
[20:42] <kbmonkey> cat /var/log/apt/history.log | tail -n 100
[20:42] <Langjan_> ok
[20:43] <kbmonkey> that will show us what you have recently installed
[20:43] <kbmonkey> (the last 100 lines only)
[20:44] <nuvolari> me eyes are burning
[20:44] <Langjan_> http://pastebin.com/2qMpVBtD
[20:44] <nuvolari> I'm calling it a day
[20:44] <Kilos> gaan slaap seun
[20:44] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[20:44] <nuvolari> ek is op pad oom Kilos
[20:44] <nuvolari> lekker slaap oom ook :)
[20:44] <kbmonkey> mooi slaap nuvolari, and no coffee this late! ;P
[20:44] <nuvolari> dankie
[20:44] <Kilos> sien jou môre
[20:44] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: can't promise anything :P
[20:44] <Langjan_> Julle moet ook lekker slaap, dankie vir alles!
[20:45] <nuvolari> cheerz Langjan_, oom Kilos, kbmonkey
[20:45] <Kilos> kbmonkey, one last idea
[20:45] <kbmonkey> hope to see you back Langjan_, sorry we couldn't help you this time!
[20:45] <Langjan_> How do I get to freenode without having to login via firefox?
[20:45] <Kilos> will  sudo -i to go root then a apt-get install dpkg not maybe fix dpkg
[20:46] <Kilos> you need xchat Langjan_
[20:46] <Langjan_> which we could not get going...
[20:46] <kbmonkey> does xchat come with maverick, i hope?
[20:46] <Kilos> yeah thats the prob
[20:46] <kbmonkey> oh, so no. eish
[20:46] <Langjan_> Slaap lekker
[20:47] <Kilos> we need to be able to install it first
[20:47] <kbmonkey> when we removed that lock I would have liked to try install it, instead of that --configure, but we'll sort it sharp
[20:47] <Kilos> will that running package manager even affect root
[20:48] <Kilos> i not gonna sleep lekker with this inna mind
[20:50] <Kilos> and how do we fing what package manger is supposed to be running
[20:50] <Kilos> find not fing
[20:51] <Kilos> or even a killall command
[20:53] <kbmonkey> well apparently none are running Kilos, thats the confusing part. but oh well, i find solutions do come sometimes when your brain has a rest :)
[20:53] <kbmonkey> heck, i even dreamt of answers before, you never know!
[20:54] <Kilos> Langjan_, is it a big job to unplug that second drive
[20:54]  * Kilos scratching
[20:55] <kbmonkey> sjoe ja
[20:55] <Kilos> lol
[20:55] <Tonberry> so indestructible lock file with nothing keeping it there?
[20:55] <Kilos> yip
[20:55] <Tonberry> boot from cd or flashdrive and delete it?
[20:56] <Kilos> it has been deleted Tonberry
[20:56] <Tonberry> oh
[20:56] <Kilos> but now dpkg thinks another pm is running
[20:56] <Tonberry> oh
[20:57] <kbmonkey> well we removed the lock, but dpkg reconfigures some package that gives an error. I suspect that package has a bug or is failing
[20:57] <Tonberry> dpkg -r the package
[20:57] <kbmonkey> the lock sticks when it fails. need to find that package
[20:57] <Kilos> we dunno which package it is
[20:57] <kbmonkey> we don't know what package it is though :/
[20:57] <Tonberry> ah
[20:57] <Tonberry> and configure does not give a name?
[20:57] <Kilos> lol
[20:57] <Kilos> tough in africa
[20:58] <kbmonkey> i got Jan to give us his apt history Tonberry just in case we can spot anything http://pastebin.com/2qMpVBtD
[20:58] <kbmonkey> a bit of detective work involved
[21:00] <Tonberry> what does apt/term.log say?
[21:00] <Tonberry> anything useful?
[21:00] <kbmonkey> Jan has left Tonberry, we can try again tomorrow :)
[21:01] <Tonberry> ah
[21:01] <Kilos> ok guys sleep tight
[21:01] <Kilos> ty for helping
[21:02] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos !
[21:02] <Tonberry> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:02] <Tonberry>  squid
[21:02] <Tonberry> oh well
[21:02] <Tonberry> never trust an error message over a working system...
[21:04] <kbmonkey> he he. random error message generator in action
[21:57] <marcog> finally updated my home pc to natty :P


[12:04] <Kyral> ...Portage...it..is...horribly inefficient...
[12:05] <Kyral> not the compiling thing...but the thing for when you emerge sync, it downloads every file in the Portage tree...
[12:05] <tseng> no it doesnt
[12:05] <tseng> it rsyncs it
[12:06] <Kyral> still ineffiecent...
[12:07] <minghua> if you do it every day, rsync should be quite efficient
[12:08] <minghua> debian/ubuntu still downloads the whole Packages.gz, so it's not necessarily better
[12:08] <Kyral> Packages.gz tends to be smaller...
[12:42] <thierry_> slomo_ : are you there?
[12:46] <thierry_> any MOTU who could review my package?
[12:46] <crimsun> url?
[12:47] <thierry_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1572
[12:47] <crimsun> note that I can't log in to comment due to gpg key issues, but I can certainly note comments
[12:48] <thierry_> k thanks, anyway you did the last comments and I uploaded next to that
[12:52] <crimsun> thierry_: few minor misspellings in debian/libfxruby1.4.1.docbook
[12:52] <crimsun> ("library")
[12:52] <thierry_> k... like what?
[12:52] <thierry_> ho...
[12:52] <thierry_> must be my french side who has difficulty to right english properly :)
[12:53] <crimsun> ;)
[12:53] <thierry_> anything other errors like that?
[12:53] <crimsun> also, try to be consistent with the URIs
[12:53] <thierry_> ?
[12:53] <crimsun> For more information about Ruby, see http://www.ruby-lang.org/ .
[12:53] <crimsun> For more information about FOX, see http://fox-toolkit.org/ .
[12:54] <thierry_> what more could I say?
[12:54] <crimsun> the issue is the missing "http://" for the Ruby line
[12:55] <crimsun> (consistency)
[12:56] <crimsun> in debian/copyright, there's a stray ` on line referring to /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL
[12:59] <crimsun> you'll need to make the same adjustments to debian/control's Descriptions (as far as the URI consistency issue is concerned)
[01:01] <thierry_> k
[01:01] <thierry_> that's all?
[01:01] <thierry_> coming back in 10 minutes
[01:02] <crimsun> it ftbfs in a current dapper pbuilder
[01:03] <crimsun> it dies trying to compile core_wrap.cpp with: include/FXRuby.h:197: error: redefinition of 'VALUE to_ruby(long unsigned int)'
[01:04] <crimsun> (this is on amd64)
[01:04] <crimsun> otherwise the packaging looks fine
[01:50] <marcin`> hi MOTU
[01:50] <marcin`> I got few questions about REVU
[01:51] <marcin`> could someone tell me where can I find my uploads to REVU?
[01:52] <marcin`> I uploaded package.. and have no idea why it doesn't show on tauware.de
[01:53] <Kyral> hmm
[01:54] <LaserJock_away> marcin`: what's the name of the package?
[01:54] <marcin`> LaserJock_away: emacs-circe
[01:55] <marcin`> another thing is that I have no idea how to.... log into revu.tauware.de...
[01:55] <LaserJock> marcin`: you can after your first upload
[01:56] <LaserJock> marcin`: did you upload a source package?
[01:56] <marcin`> LaserJock: yes
[01:56] <marcin`> LaserJock: you mean *_source.changes file?
[01:56] <LaserJock> marcin`: and you sent your gpg key?
[01:57] <marcin`> LaserJock: yup
[01:57] <marcin`> LaserJock: it's required for upload
[01:58] <LaserJock> but you sent it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[02:01] <LaserJock> marcin`: ^^ ?
[02:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: I got mail from Stefan Potyra
[02:01] <LaserJock> ok
[02:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: and he says that he added my key to keyring
[02:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: and I should be able to make uploads and that's true
[02:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: because I really could upload signed package to revu with dput
[02:02] <LaserJock> ok, so did dput give you any errors?
[02:02] <marcin`> LaserJock: hmm I don't remember, I don't think so
[02:02] <marcin`> LaserJock: result was successfull
[02:03] <marcin`> LaserJock: I can upload this package again...
[02:04] <LaserJock> marcin`: how long has it been?
[02:04] <marcin`> LaserJock: well dput emacs-circe*_source.changes
[02:04] <marcin`> LaserJock: says
[02:04] <marcin`> LaserJock: Already uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <LaserJock> oh, you sent it to Ubuntu
[02:05] <LaserJock> you need to do something like "dput revu *.changes"
[02:05] <LaserJock> note the "revu" part
[02:07] <LaserJock> marcin`: does that make sense?
[02:07] <marcin`> LaserJock: hmm ok
[02:10] <marcin`> LaserJock: ehh it wat my fault
[02:11] <marcin`> LaserJock: I forgot to configure /etc/dput.cf correctly
[02:11] <marcin`> LaserJock: sorry and thanks for help
[02:11] <LaserJock> well, at least you found the problem
[02:12] <LaserJock> marcin`: I see it on REVU now :-)
[02:13] <Kyral> hmm
[02:14] <marcin`> LaserJock: yes I do too
[02:14] <marcin`> LaserJock: and now I got password for revu...
[02:14] <LaserJock> great
[02:14] <LaserJock> marcin`: you should check out the lintian output
[02:16] <marcin`> LaserJock: I just did it
[02:17] <marcin`> ok, I need to go to bed now... I'm pretty tired
[02:17] <LaserJock> marcin`: I think the address for the FSF has changed in debian/copyright
[02:17] <LaserJock> marcin`: ok, np
[02:18] <marcin`> but maybe tomorrow I'll try to upload my entire emacs infrastructure... and of course
[02:18] <marcin`> I'll upload emacs-circe*0ubuntu4 with changes to make lintian happy ;)
[02:39] <LaserJock> so I just used a Christmas Barnes and Noble gift card to by "Python Cookbook". I looks pretty useful
[02:39] <Kyral> It is :D
[02:39] <LaserJock> it's got some stuff on xml-rpc which is cool
[02:42] <LaserJock> maybe eventually I'll be able to write some stuff to interact with launchpad
[02:42] <Kyral> hehe
[02:43] <Kyral> LP++
[03:00] <LaserJock> so what happens if a Universe package's deps are messed up? We can fix it now right?
[03:01] <Kyral> Bug?
[03:01] <LaserJock> is that a bug?
[03:01] <Kyral> is it filed?
[03:01] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't even check. just a sec
[03:01] <Kyral> What package?
[03:02] <LaserJock> oh, yeah, there is a bug
[03:02] <LaserJock> Malone bug 29220
[03:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29220: "vncserver not installable because it depends on xserver-common" Fix req. for: vnc (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/29220
[03:03] <LaserJock> it's really messing me up because I use vnc a lot
[03:03] <StevenK> Oh, I so want to fix it.
[03:03] <Kyral> that package exists
[03:03] <Kyral> xserver-common
[03:03] <LaserJock> no it doesn't
[03:03] <StevenK> Then I get to use my new @u.c address and upload privs.
[03:03] <Kyral> yah it does
[03:03] <LaserJock> Kyral: I don't have it
[03:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: it was replaced with the lates Xorg update
[03:04] <StevenK> xserver-common doesn't exist in dapper, according to packages.u.c
[03:04] <Kyral> oh I haven't sync'd since this morning
[03:04] <LaserJock> it is now something like x-common or xorg-common
[03:04] <LaserJock> well, it's been that way for a few days
[03:05] <Kyral> Tell that to my AptCache
[03:05] <LaserJock> Kyral's apt cache: your full of crap!
[03:05] <Kyral> ...
[03:06] <LaserJock> x-common exists but no xserver-common
[03:07] <LaserJock> so maybe I should fix it
[03:07] <StevenK> I wanna!
[03:07] <Kyral> yh just increment the Ubuntu Revision
[03:07] <StevenK> LaserJock: I got upload privs, I'd like to test them out. :-)
[03:07] <Yagisan> G'day All
[03:08] <LaserJock> StevenK: sure, I don't have upload privs. so you will get it done faster ;-)
[03:08] <StevenK> Ah
[03:08] <LaserJock> Kyral: no ubuntu version, so we get to diverge
[03:09] <StevenK> For vnc?
[03:09] <StevenK> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main vnc 3.3.7-8ubuntu1 (dsc) [696B]
[03:09] <LaserJock> vnc4
[03:09] <LaserJock> although vnc might have the same problem
[03:09] <StevenK> It does.
[03:10] <LaserJock> StevenK: try apt-cache rdepends xserver-common . What do you get?
[03:11] <StevenK> root@broken:/# apt-cache rdepends xserver-common

[03:11] <LaserJock> I don't quite get that
[03:12] <LaserJock> that's what I get too, but somebody in -devel the other day got a list of ~ 4 packages
[03:12] <LaserJock> StevenK: are you looking at -devel?
[03:13] <StevenK> root@broken:/# grep-dctrl -sPackage -FDepends 'xserver-common' < /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: meta-ul-desktop-base
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: meta-ul-server-gui
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: tightvncserver
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: vnc4server
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: vncserver
[03:13] <StevenK> And yes, I saw that.
[03:14] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[03:14] <StevenK> I don't know anything about meta-ul-{desktop-base,server-gui}
[03:14] <LaserJock> I wonder why apt-cache rdepends doesn't work
[03:14] <StevenK> But I can certainly fix the three bottom packages.
[03:16] <LaserJock> well that's all I care about ;-)
[03:29] <LaserJock> hmm, stupid memory leak is really bugging me
[03:31] <LaserJock> I wonder if I do a fresh install with Flight3 would help
[04:02] <LaserJock> Kyral: ping?
[04:03] <Kyral> ping?
[04:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: how did you figure out how to use the debian stuff from emacs?
[04:04] <Kyral> Like Debian-Utils?
[04:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:04] <Kyral> M-x deb<tabcomplete from here>
[04:05] <LaserJock> oh, thats pretty easy
[04:05] <LaserJock> I was thinking about an having an excursion into the dark side ;-)
[04:05] <Kyral> ...
[04:06] <LaserJock> hmm, I seem to have a pretty stupid .emacs from somewhere
[04:07] <Kyral> lol
[04:08] <LaserJock> everything is bright blue
[04:08] <Kyral> lol
[04:08] <Kyral> rm .emacs ;P
[04:08] <LaserJock> yeah, I think I have another (or 2)  .emacs I can try :-)
[04:10] <LaserJock> Kyral: are you using the emacs snapshot?
[04:10] <Kyral> I dunno
[04:10] <Kyral> lol
[04:10] <Kyral> last I knew I had emacs21-nox installed
[04:12] <StevenK> Blah, my upload was REJECTed.
[04:12] <Kyral> hah
[04:12] <StevenK> Due to no key, so now I need to bug elmo again.
[04:13] <LaserJock> dang, my aptitude seems to be really messed up
[04:13] <Kyral> lol
[04:15] <LaserJock> StevenK: you gotta get vnc working again, all of my console apps are in bad shape :-(
[04:17] <Kyral> lol
[04:17] <Kyral> FreeNX
[04:20] <LaserJock> does that work well?
[04:20] <Kyral> yah
[04:20] <LaserJock> better than VNC?
[04:20] <Kyral> yah
[04:20] <Kyral> and SECURE
[04:21] <Yagisan> Kyral: amd64 ??
[04:21] <Kyral> x86
[04:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: where do you get it from?
[04:24] <Yagisan> Kyral: why no amd64 ?
[04:24] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[04:24] <LaserJock> doh
[04:29] <psusi> does freenx support ssl?
[04:34] <Yagisan> psusi: AFAIK it runs on SSH only
[04:35] <psusi> bah
[04:45] <LaserJock> well, I'll see how it goes
[04:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I can't seem to get nx to go through my ssh tunnel (or I'm doing it wrong).
[05:07] <LaserJock> grr, freenx hates me
[05:07] <ajmitch> afternoon
[05:07] <Yagisan> afternoon ajmitch
[05:08] <ajmitch> nice & toasty warm there today?
[05:08] <ajmitch> I heard it was hot in melbourne
[05:09] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it's about 30 here in Sydney where I am
[05:09] <ajmitch> hm
[05:09] <psusi> LaserJock, you are pointing the client to <IP_ADDRESS> right?
[05:09] <ajmitch> my friend in melbourne was expecting up to 43 there
[05:10] <psusi> ssl or ipsec are way better
[05:17] <LaserJock> psusi: I have to connect through another computer to get to my FreeNX server computer. A ssh tunnel should work for that right?
[05:18] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[05:18] <bmonty> hey Laserjock
[05:19] <bmonty> evening everyone
[05:19] <psusi> LaserJock, what do you mean "through" another computer?
[05:20] <psusi> when you set up an ssh tunnel, the ssh client listens on localhost and forwards any connections it gets, so you need to tell freenx to connect to localhost
[05:20] <LaserJock> psusi: I have to log into one computer (the uni server) and from there log into my machine
[05:20] <psusi> both with ssh?  why two steps?
[05:21] <LaserJock> psusi: both with ssh, because it is department policy
[05:21] <psusi> that's.... about gay... heh
[05:21] <LaserJock> we can't connect to outside computers directly
[05:21] <psusi> but you should be able to tunnel from localhost to x, then tunnel from x to y
[05:21] <psusi> what nazi decided you shouldn't be able to do that?
[05:21] <\sh> moins
[05:22] <LaserJock> psusi: all the Windows IT guys that get viruses on a daily basis, and the same guys that closed the .torrent and irc ports
[05:22] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[05:22] <psusi> bit torrent can use any port the client chooses... as can irc... but yea... that says enough about the type... morons in other words
[05:23] <psusi> are you sure they have port forwarding enabled on the server then?
[05:23] <LaserJock> psusi: well, soon I will have an iMac at work and I can bring the Ubuntu box home
[05:23] <Amaranth> LaserJock: intel imac?
[05:23] <LaserJock> psusi: I can use VNC by setting up a tunnel
[05:23] <LaserJock> Amaranth: yes
[05:24] <psusi> ok, then freenx should work the same way
[05:24] <LaserJock> psusi: well, I thought so
[05:24] <Amaranth> LaserJock: kick ass
[05:24] <psusi> btw... do they let traffic out on port 80?
[05:24] <LaserJock> Amaranth: I hope so, we got 2
[05:24] <\sh> openmotif is so broken bah
[05:24] <LaserJock> psusi: yes
[05:24] <Amaranth> LaserJock: everything i've seen says they're fast as hell
[05:25] <LaserJock> Amaranth: I'm a little worried about their support for older PPC software
[05:25] <LaserJock> Amaranth: and of course I can't install Ubuntu on it yet
[05:25] <psusi> get a machine outside their retarded network to run an openssl s_server on port 80 tied to a pppd then ppp over ssl to it on port 80 ;)
[05:25] <Amaranth> as long as the software doesn't touch mach, the partition layout, etc it should be fine
[05:26] <ajmitch> psusi: ppp over tcp/ip is evil
[05:26] <Amaranth> iow as long as they stuck to carbon and cocoa
[05:26] <LaserJock> psusi: well, all I have is Windows on the outside until I bring home my work box
[05:26] <bmonty> In general I have found that network admins get upset when you take active measures to circumvent their rules
[05:26] <psusi> ajmitch, it's better than most proprietary VPN solutions
[05:26] <Yagisan> LaserJock: just tell us where to find these systems - we'll open those ports for you >:)
[05:26] <Amaranth> in general i've found that network admins that do things like that don't know enough to catch you
[05:27] <Yagisan> ajmitch: umm - don't you use pppoe to connect to the net ?
[05:27] <ajmitch> Yagisan: pppoa
[05:27] <psusi> bmonty, that's the point... if they upset you with their asanine draconian rules, upset them back..
[05:27] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it's about the same overhead
[05:27] <ajmitch> Yagisan: I'm meaning the slowdown of having tcp over tcp
[05:27] <\sh> well...I leave it to the debian maintainer, to fix the breakage...when they deal with modular xorg
[05:28] <psusi> and yea.. if they are stupid enough to believe they are doing some good with those measures, they are too stupid to catch you getting around them ;)
[05:28] <LaserJock> well, luckily freenode has 8001 open so I can irc from work
[05:28] <ajmitch> where a slight slowdown in the base level causes issues
[05:28] <psusi> ppp over what?  what's the a?
[05:28] <psusi> pppoe = gay
[05:28] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ah - I've done things like tcp over udp to get through restrictive networks like that
[05:28] <ajmitch> atm
[05:29] <ajmitch> tcp over udp isn't nearly so bad
[05:29] <bmonty> psusi: I disagree, I generally think the policy of disallow all and allow by exception is the way to go
[05:29] <\sh> bah..watching a movie :)
[05:29] <psusi> pppoe exists soley for the reason that ISPs are stupid and want to use an ethernet network but still have their customers "log in"
[05:29] <Yagisan> psusi: yes - so they can charge you for every little bit of data that passes over their network
[05:29] <bmonty> especially on a production network
[05:29] <psusi> bmonty, for incoming connections sure... not for outgoing... users want to get where they want to go... trying to stop them is futile and annoying
[05:30] <Yagisan> psusi: well - I block outgoing too actually
[05:30] <psusi> Yagisan, which they could very well account for without pppoe
[05:30] <bmonty> except when they are trying to use apps that have the potential to increase risk
[05:30] <LaserJock> hmm, I can't even get nxsetup to work so maybe I have bigger issues
[05:30] <Mez> why is packages.ubuntu.com lagging lately?
[05:31] <ajmitch> Mez: because it's not run by canonical but it's a separate project?
[05:31] <Mez> is it?
[05:31] <Mez> oh
[05:31] <LaserJock> Mez: at leasts it's better than packages.debian.org ;-)
[05:31] <bmonty> anyone having issues using network configuration?
[05:31] <psusi> time to test my custum dmraided flight 3 install cd... bbiab
[05:32] <bmonty> yeah, p.d.o going down was upsetting to me this morning :(
[05:32] <LaserJock> StevenK: so you have to wait for elmo to be able to upload?
[05:37] <LaserJock> does it make sense to set up a tunnel for port 22 when ssh is running on port 22?
[05:37] <bmonty> outbound traffic isn't on port 22
[05:38] <LaserJock> bmonty: ? I'm not very good with networking
[05:38] <bmonty> LaserJock: the purpose of the tunnel is to circumvent your network's firewall rules, right?
[05:38] <LaserJock> no
[05:39] <LaserJock> it's because I can't directly connect to my computer
[05:39] <LaserJock> I have to connect to the departments server first
[05:40] <bmonty> so you are creating tunnels for all the protocols you want to use?
[05:40] <LaserJock> well, I'm trying to get FreeNX to work, which uses port 22
[05:42] <bmonty> I don't know about FreeNX, but I'm assuming you can tell it to connect to a port other than 22?
[05:43] <LaserJock> I was using VNC but now vnc can't be installed because of an unmet dep, so in the mean time I was trying to check out FreeNX but it is turning into a major project
[05:43] <LaserJock> bmonty: well, in that case I might run into the firewall problem
[05:44] <bmonty> so you want a tunnel from the department server to connect to your home machine on 22, and some other port on the department server to connect FreeNX to
[05:44] <LaserJock> hmm, makes sense
[05:45] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure why port 22 doesn't work
[05:45] <LaserJock> but I think I also might have other problems with the setup
[05:45] <bmonty> two guesses....one it is already being used by the ssh server and two you might not have enough privledge to open port 22
[05:45] <LaserJock> I think I shoulda just built vnc4 from source ;-)
[05:46] <psusi> blast....
[05:46] <bmonty> LaserJock: you are using something like "ssh -R 32400:home-machine:22" ?
[05:47] <LaserJock> not right now, no
[05:48] <bmonty> if you used that command, you would tell FreeNX to connect to 32400 on the department server and it would be forwarded to port 22 on your home machine
[05:52] <Yagisan> hmm - anyone tried installing ubuntu on a system with no floppy or cdrom, and no existing os ?
[05:54] <bmonty> why not just install a cdrom?
[05:54] <bmonty> they are <$40 for a DVD burner on newegg.com
[05:54] <bmonty> with shipping
[05:54] <psusi> Yagisan, so what IS availible? :)
[05:54] <psusi> Yagisan, usb stick?
[05:55] <minghua> Yagisan: netboot?  not sure ubuntu has that option though
[05:55] <Yagisan> bmonty: because I can't find one - I need a box up and ruuning to help fix a problem, and it's getting built out of leftovers
[05:55] <psusi> debian-installer appears to support netboot
[05:55] <psusi> so ubuntu should too
[05:56] <psusi> Yagisan, plug the hard drive into a machine that already has ubuntu on it and install that way ;)
[05:56] <minghua> you still need an FTP server to host your files and images though
[05:56] <Yagisan> btw bmonty $40US is worth more then the whole pc at this point
[05:57] <bmonty> Yagisan: well good luck
[05:57] <Yagisan> thanks - this will be fun.
[05:58] <Yagisan> now to grab a spare netcard out of the firewall - back later
[06:06] <bmonty> anyone know of a python debugger that can provide command line arguments or connect to a running process?
[06:32] <LaserJock> lol, I was able to kill my ssh server but I still can't get FreeNX to work. I can't even get it to setup correctly. I just doesn't like my ssh
[06:35] <LaserJock> well, I'm going to try to get my install back to where it was and build vnc4 from scratch
[07:29] <StevenK> Oh bugger. Now vnc4 doesn't build from source.
[07:31] <minghua> why suddenly everybody is starting to play with vnc4?
[09:48] <crimsun_> I'm gone til Tuesday, flying to Washington, D.C. for meetings
[10:22] <pef> hello
[10:38] <lifeless> opensync is now at the two week point
[10:38] <lifeless> sigh
[10:38] <Treenaks> two week point?
[10:38] <lifeless> in NEW
[10:38] <Treenaks> ah
[10:39] <siretart> lifeless: upload 0.18-0ubuntu1 to ubuntu, and sync over later
[10:39] <lifeless> siretart: I cannot upload to ubuntu.
[10:40] <siretart> lifeless: I'll sponsor you happily :)
[10:40] <lifeless> we're past UVF anyway
[10:40] <siretart> but before FF
[10:40] <lifeless> so I'm not panicing, just bitching...
[10:40] <siretart> new packages are allowed before FF
[12:02] <Mez> siretart: ping
[12:04] <zakame> hi all
[12:05] <siretart> Mez: pong
[12:05] <siretart> hi zakame
[12:06] <zakame> heya siretart :)
[12:07] <Mez> siretart: er - your comment on the rar bug ?
[12:07] <Mez> it was saying that the source was there?
[12:07] <Mez> or asking for that to be fixed too ?
[12:07] <siretart> Mez: just that the source is in debian/non-free
[12:08] <Mez> not source ...
[12:08] <Mez> they have binary packages in there
[12:08] <Mez> rar doesnt distribute it's source
[12:08] <Mez> it's just binary stuff built by rarlabs
[12:09] <siretart> ah, sure
[12:09] <Mez> anyways - it's fixed (and I seem to now be adopting the godamn thing!
[12:10] <phanatic> hi people
[12:11] <zakame> heya phanatic
[12:11] <siretart> Mez: did you set yourself in the maintainer field? ;)
[12:12] <Mez> siretart not in the ubuntu upload ;)
[12:12] <Mez> though technically I should have
[12:12] <Mez> 1) the package was changed specifically for ubuntu with the first update in nearly 2 years
[12:13] <Mez> and 2 I'm adopting it
[12:13] <phanatic> zakame: i updated the nanoweb package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1579
[12:13] <Mez> though - well - I didnt know that till after I uploaded
[12:13] <zakame> is it now recommended for MOTU-modified Debian packages to change the Maintainer field (sorry, not been into reading {d,u}-devel and -motu)
[12:13] <zakame> ?
[12:13] <zakame> phanatic: checking
[12:13] <siretart> Mez: to avoid further discussion and confusion, just upload another one with you as maintainer
[12:14] <siretart> zakame: we didn't agree on anything yet
[12:14] <Mez> siretart: "further discussion and confusion"
[12:14] <phanatic> zakame: thanks
[12:14] <Mez> ??
[12:14] <siretart> Mez: see the flamewars the last week
[12:14] <Mez> siretart, I doubt that anyone will be watching what I'm doing lol
[12:14] <siretart> Mez: if you care for it, just hijack it
[12:14] <Mez> and there was nothing there
[12:14] <zakame> ah
[12:15] <Mez> siretart: I'm officially adopting it in debian ;)
[12:15] <Mez> so no need to hijack
[12:15] <siretart> Mez: oh. even better :)
[12:15] <Mez> just wait for a sponsor ;)
[12:15] <Mez> lol - because chris and I talked about it earlier :D lol - and well - shrugs*
[12:15] <minghua> Mez: by all means hijack it
[12:15] <siretart> zakame: there have been some packages, which we adopted in ubuntu. gajim comes to mind
[12:15] <Mez> I'm taking it over case he hasnt got time
[12:16] <minghua> Debian doesn't care about non-free packages anyway
[12:16] <Mez> minghua: there no point in just uploading a hijack ;)
[12:16] <siretart> zakame: in my opinion, we should use this possibility more often. but no, we didn't agree on that yet
[12:16] <Mez> minghua: if i COULD hijacj t I would
[12:16] <Mez> lol
[12:16] <Mez> but - I need a sponsor
[12:16] <Mez> once I'm a DD ... *shrugs* it'll be fine
[12:16] <minghua> Mez: I mean hijack it on the ubuntu side
[12:17] <minghua> don't leave the previous Debian maintainer's name in the Maintainer: field
[12:17] <zakame> siretart: hmm, I haven't thought of it much really, but I'm inclined to agree with you
[12:17] <Mez> minghua: lol ;)
[12:19] <zakame> pakain! :D
[12:19] <zakame> er ECHAN
[12:38] <sivang> Mez: going to be a DD?
[12:38] <minghua> Mez: why not point the debian-mentors list to your ubuntu package?
[12:38] <Mez> sivang, one day
[12:38] <sivang> Mez: :)
[12:38] <minghua> Mez: usually a RFS need to have packages ready anyway
[12:38] <Mez> minghua: you mean point them to where I made the changes?
[12:39] <Mez> minghua: ah well I'm jsut packaging it up atm lol - then gonna upload to mentors
[12:39] <minghua> Mez: no, the source packages, diff.gz and stuff
[12:39] <Mez> or my own server
[12:39] <Mez> minghua: I'm packaging up the latest version of rar thats why
[12:39] <minghua> Mez: but they are already uploaded to ubuntu, no?
[12:39] <Mez> minghua: no thats really just a bugfix ;)
[12:40] <minghua> oh I see.  then probably "Intent To Adopt" would be a more appropriate title ;-)
[12:40] <Mez> not really ;)
[01:13] <Gloubiboulga> hi
[01:13] <raphink> hi Gloubiboulga
[01:13] <Gloubiboulga> salut raphink :)
[01:13] <raphink> a farte?
[01:13] <raphink> lol
[01:14] <Gloubiboulga> :D a farte
[01:20] <Mez> minghua: I've like - hijacked it in ubuntu and hae a sponsor for debian ;)
[01:22] <minghua> Mez: wow that's fast, good job
[01:22] <phanatic> hi raphink
[01:22] <phanatic> raphink: upstream released new version: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1583
[01:22] <Mez> minghua: lol - well I posted to the d-m list and someone offered
[01:22] <raphink> yes I saw phanatic that's good
[01:22] <phanatic> patch applied + license info included in source headers
[01:22] <raphink> I'll throw an eye on it, but not right now
[01:23] <raphink> there is about 600KB diff
[01:23] <raphink> so I won't just advocate blindly
[01:23] <raphink> :)
[01:26] <phanatic> okay :)
[01:26] <phanatic> upstream reworked the whole automake system
[01:26] <phanatic> that's why the huge diff :)
[01:29] <raphink> phanatic: then I'll test build again
[01:44] <\sh> moins
[01:44] <StevenK> s/\\//
[01:45] <StevenK> Er, s/\///
[01:45] <Mez> moinmoin ;)
[01:45] <Mez> lol
[01:47] <\sh> oh man i'm tired..
[01:47] <\sh> this stupid gentoo update marathon is not finished yet
[01:47] <StevenK> A bug to fix in universe, since I uploaded a package to main, and that didn't work so well.
[01:48] <Yagisan> \sh: gentoo ?
[01:49] <\sh> Yagisan: yo...
[01:49] <\sh> 5 machines
[01:49] <Yagisan> \sh: G'day. I've been so busy this week, I barely have time to get my work done, let alone any ubuntu stuff :(
[01:50] <\sh> oh I will have a busy week from monday on...6 suse machines to administrate and taking care for :)
[01:51] <StevenK> \sh: Well done! You're now job enabled?
[01:51] <\sh> StevenK: well..not directly...the gentoo machines are for the guys, which are sponsoring my root server and some parts of my hardware
[01:52] <Yagisan> It's a high speed pentium 2 233Mhz,  144MB RAM, 2GB HDD, Radeon 7500, and I *just* squeezed breezy it. funnily it runs rather well.
[01:52] <\sh> StevenK: and the suse work is freelancing for 2 weeks...I have to see, if the boss of this company is giving me a long time employee contract, or a long time freelancer contract...
[01:52] <\sh> s/which/who/
[01:53] <Yagisan> StevenK: speed up in what way ? and how old is the laptop ?
[01:54] <StevenK> It just feels sluggish sometimes.
[01:54] <StevenK> It's an X40, so not that old.
[01:56] <Yagisan> StevenK: ok. On older boxes prelink helps with load times, otherwise not much other then making sure hdd dma is on, and adding ram really helps
[01:57] <\sh> ok..need to go back to the gentoo machines
[02:13] <siretart> hi folks
[02:44] <foampeace> hi
[02:44] <foampeace> who do i give a graphic to
[02:45] <siretart> foampeace: try to ubuntu artwork team
[02:45] <foampeace> ok thanks
[02:45] <siretart> foampeace: or if it is for a specific package, create a malone bug and attach it there
[02:45] <foampeace> malone bug?
[02:46] <Mez> siretart: ping
[02:47] <foampeace> whats the url?
[03:12] <Kyral> Morning MOTU
[03:33] <siretart> Mez: pong
[04:46] <mxpxpod> what's up with mono in universe? mono-jit depends on mono-classlib-1.0-1.1.10, but mono-classlib-1.0-<IP_ADDRESS> is installed
[04:49] <torkel> mxpxpod: mine depends on <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:50] <mxpxpod> torkel: hmmm
[04:51] <mxpxpod> torkel: what arch?
[04:52] <torkel> i386
[04:52] <mxpxpod> powerpc here
[04:53] <phanatic> mono on ppc has some problems afaik. there was a discussion about this some days ago...
[04:53] <mxpxpod> nice
[04:56] <mxpxpod> ugh
[06:12] <Mez> siretart: reping
[06:13] <Mez> or even \sh_away ping
[06:42] <siretart> Mez: Im not really here, but, what is it?
[06:44] <Mez> siretart: would it be possible to use motu-tools to automate a check on stuff thats currently in backports but has a higher version in dapper?
[06:46] <siretart> Mez: I think this shouldn't be hard with lucas' multidistro tools, but I didn't look further into it yet
[06:46] <Mez> cool ;)
[06:47] <slomo> hmm, is the current gnome-panel in dapper crashing constantly for someone else too?
[06:47] <siretart> hi slomo
[06:48] <slomo> hi siretart
[06:48] <siretart> slomo: do you know if siggi wants to upload the latest stable version or a recent cvs snapshot?
[06:49] <slomo> siretart: no idea... he's not very verbose ;) but i didn't find any time to do anything this weekend with xine :(
[06:49] <siretart> slomo: anyway, the changelog does look quite promosing, even now.
[06:50] <siretart> I'm quite happy if all those bugs mentioned in the changelog get finally in debian
[06:50] <slomo> yes... and i need to merge them all in our current two xine packages ;)
[06:51] <siretart> slomo: perhaps we can script that?
[06:52] <slomo> sure... but i don't know if it's worth the effort for two packages ;) currently i'm getting the diff between the debian versions and add the changes that apply to the packages
[06:53] <siretart> ok
[07:08] <Gloubiboulga> siretart, slomo, could have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1582 and tell me what you think about this package?
[07:13] <siretart> sorry, not now, I'm not at home
[07:14] <Gloubiboulga> siretart, np
[07:21] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: i'll take a look in a few minutes :)
[07:21] <Gloubiboulga> thanks slomo
[07:25] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: any specific reason why you need debhelper >= 5.0.7 and not only 5?
[07:25] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, not really
[07:25] <Gloubiboulga> it's just because we have 5.0.7 in dapper
[07:25] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: ok, just stay with 5 :)
[07:26] <Gloubiboulga> ok :)
[07:26] <slomo> why do you call the library libswitch0.3.1?
[07:26] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, because of the soname... just have a look at the prvious comments
[07:26] <slomo> ok, will do ;)
[07:27] <Gloubiboulga> hub and sistpoty disagree about that...
[07:27] <slomo> and i would copy the libswitch description (long and short) to the libswitch-dev package and add "(development files)" to the short one and add what you have now to the long one...
[07:28] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[07:28] <slomo> in rules there is much stuff from dh_make
[07:29] <slomo> remove everything not needed please :)
[07:29] <Gloubiboulga> I will :)
[07:29] <slomo> and you have a arch all package... please add some stuff to the binary-indep rule
[07:30] <slomo> err wait...
[07:30] <slomo> is netswitch really arch all? imho it should be any as it's arch specific
[07:31] <Gloubiboulga> it's a script which calls gswitch | kswitch
[07:31] <ajmitch> morning
[07:31] <Gloubiboulga> hi ajmitch
[07:31] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: oh wait... yes... sorry :/ but then please add needed stuff to binary-indep :)
[07:31] <slomo> hi ajmitch
[07:32] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, ok
[07:32] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: hmm, but shouldn't the netswitch package should depend on gswitch | kswitch then?
[07:34] <slomo> damn panel...
[07:34] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, upstream recommends to run gswitch, but netswitch doesn't depend on it
[07:35] <Gloubiboulga> that's why i didn't add {g,k}switch to Depends line
[07:36] <Amaranth> please don't do what apt-file did
[07:36] <Amaranth> apt-file can use curl or wget but installs neither as it wants to let you choose
[07:37] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: ok... /me compiles now :)
[07:39] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, libswitch0.3.1 is ok, or should i change the package name?
[07:40] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: ok, the soname is really broken imho... but could work when they really mean it like it is now... libswitch0 would be the correct thing then... but better teach them about soname :)
[07:43] <Gloubiboulga> damn soname ;)
[07:45] <slomo> but hub was right... it's only that they seem to use the package's version instead of something correct...
[07:48] <Gloubiboulga> I'll talk with the author about this
[07:49] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: the packaging is ok except the few points i noted above... but i won't vote for it until the soname issue is solved
[07:50] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, ok, thanks for the review !
[07:51] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: np :)
[08:01] <Gloubiboulga> hello mrfreeze
[08:01] <mrfreeze> salut gloubi
[08:02] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, mrfreeze is the author of libswitch
[08:02] <mrfreeze> Hello slomo
[08:04] <slomo> hi mrfreeze
[08:04] <mrfreeze> so gloubi told me there was a problem ?
[08:04] <mrfreeze> with the soname
[08:06] <slomo> yes... you shouldn't use the version number... as long as the number directly behind the .so stays the same programs expect your library ABI compatible... i.e. in your case programs expect to be runnable with 0.0.1 and 0.9.9 without recompilation
[08:06] <mrfreeze> yes but that's false :)
[08:07] <mrfreeze> in fact 0.3 and 0.4 are uncompatible
[08:07] <ajmitch> do you really break backwards compatibility with each & every release?
[08:07] <mrfreeze> not necessarily, but sometimes
[08:07] <mrfreeze> do you want I change the version and add another number ?
[08:08] <slomo> ajmitch: can you explain it to him? i only know the notation of libtool with current/revision/age but don't know how this computes to the number used in the filename...
[08:08] <mrfreeze> in fact for the moment, I some times change some structures
[08:09] <slomo> mrfreeze: at least you should use .so.1* for 0.4 then when it breaks binary compatibility
[08:09] <ajmitch> slomo: sorry, I've got to run down to LCA & help out
[08:09] <ajmitch> conference is starting today
[08:09] <mrfreeze> slomo, but that's ugly
[08:10] <slomo> mrfreeze: why?
[08:10] <mrfreeze> well 0.4 is 1 ?
[08:10] <mrfreeze> that doesn't mean anything then
[08:10] <slomo> that number has nothing to do with the actual version of your library
[08:10] <slomo> yes
[08:11] <mrfreeze> what a strange thing
[08:11] <slomo> it's only to keep track of binary compatibility
[08:11] <mrfreeze> well ... i don't believe in binary compatibility :)
[08:12] <mrfreeze> ok, I will change the soname to make this .... but tht's strange
[08:12] <slomo> so you want us to rebuild every program using your library against the latest version of your library? ;)
[08:12] <mrfreeze> that's what I do :)
[08:13] <mrfreeze> So I just change the soname parameter, and your package will always work ?
[08:15] <mrfreeze> but how must the application be configured to connect to the right lib ?
[08:15] <slomo> no... but it would be much easier for us to garantuee stability of programs using your library as we know when we need to recompile... and we could keep different versions of your library at the same time so nothing will ever break...
[08:16] <mrfreeze> well if you want :)
[08:16] <slomo> that's not your job but ld's ;) it will simply use the version with the soname it is compiled against... i.e. *.so.0 in the current version
[08:17] <mrfreeze> ok hope it will work ;)
[08:18] <slomo> mrfreeze: why don't you use autotools and libtool btw?
[08:19] <mrfreeze> I prefer to understand my makefile
[08:19] <mrfreeze> and I don't know how to generate it in fact (the autotool for the application was generated by glade)
[08:20] <slomo> for simple stuff (as in simple to build) like your application you will find millions of tutorials out there :)
[08:21] <mrfreeze> yes but source compatibility was enough for me :)
[08:22] <mrfreeze> and know ... I don't know if I will loose something
[08:22] <mrfreeze> btw how autotool and libtool would know the library isn't compatible ?
[08:24] <slomo> it wouldn't... but for libtool you have 3 easy values to fill in and it keeps care of everything else for the filename...
[08:28] <mrfreeze> slomo, as I do the job of libtool for the moment, I create my so.0.3.1, a link so.0 -> so.0.3.1 and a link .so > .so.0 that's it ?
[08:28] <mrfreeze> slomo, I will switch to autotool and libtool during the week
[08:29] <slomo> mrfreeze: yes, but libtool will do more things... for example create this .la files you probably saw already... or create a static version of your library, etc...
[08:30] <mrfreeze> yes but I don't need that
[08:30] <mrfreeze> I just want dynamic lib
[08:31] <slomo> you don't need that... right ;) but maybe other people want it for whatever reason
[08:32] <slomo> well, and using autotools/libtool will make it easier for your application to be used on other architectures
[08:32] <slomo> for example solaris doesn't use .so for shared libraries iirc
[08:36] <mrfreeze> thank you slomo, I repack, and 0.4 will use libtool
[08:37] <slomo> mrfreeze: no problem :) for a good example take a look at libnotify...
[08:39] <slomo> mrfreeze: if you want i could take a look at it before you release 0.4
[08:40] <mrfreeze> slomo, lol, yes but I can't find the tarball
[08:40] <slomo> for libnotify?
[08:41] <slomo> http://www.galago-project.org/files/releases/source/libnotify/libnotify-0.3.0.tar.gz
[08:41] <mrfreeze> thanks
[08:47] <cyberix> Fuddl: Online?
[09:00] <Fuddl> cyberix: yepp, right here
[09:08] <cyberix> Fuddl: Did my private messages reach you?
[09:09] <Fuddl> cyberix: private message???
[09:09] <cyberix> Ok. So blocked by spam protection
[09:09] <cyberix> 21:54 <cyberix> I retrieved the Loki Quake III Arena cd-rom
[09:09] <cyberix> 21:54 <cyberix> cyberix@bunnypump:/media/cdrom1$ find |grep pak
[09:09] <cyberix> 21:54 <cyberix> ./baseq3/pak0.pk3
[09:09] <Fuddl> wb ajmitch
[09:10] <Fuddl> cyberix: spam? uuuuh... i don't filter spam, and i set gmx to not filter it... but, thx for that path!
[09:11] <cyberix> Fuddl: freenode filtters
[09:11] <cyberix> 21:53 [freenode]  -!- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[09:11] <Fuddl> ah, i c
[09:11] <cyberix> Fuddl: Is there something else you need to know?
[09:12] <cyberix> icon ?
[09:12] <Fuddl> cyberix: nope, it's just that one pk3 file that's copied from cd rom
[09:12] <cyberix> ok
[09:13] <cyberix> Fuddl: quake3 package will be in dapper universe?
[09:13] <Fuddl> cyberix: is that icon a special one? quake3 source come with an icon, but for gnome's eye-candy something more fancy would be nice ;)
[09:14] <Fuddl> cyberix: i don't know, yet. i'm waiting for it to apper on the launchpad
[09:15] <Hieronymus> cyberix: not universe
[09:17] <cyberix> Hieronymus: Why not?
[09:18] <cyberix> Hieronymus: The contents of the package are free software, even if the stuff installed from cd-rom are not.
[09:19] <Fuddl> cyberix: oh, one thing you could do for me. what's that md5sum of that file?
[09:19] <Hieronymus> cyberix: so a free software program which fetches non-free programs from the net or cd-rom should be in universe?
[09:19] <cyberix> Hieronymus: Is this not equal to e.g. a cd-player?
[09:20] <cyberix> Hieronymus: quake3-data could be in multiverse
[09:21] <cyberix> Fuddl: computing...
[09:21] <Hieronymus> cyberix: but quake3 Depends: on quake3-data
[09:22] <cyberix> Hieronymus: :-/
[09:22] <cyberix> There is not a project making use of the engine without the original data-files?
[09:22] <cyberix> (a free software one)
[09:23] <Fuddl> i don't know of one...
[09:23] <Fuddl> neither does upstream
[09:24] <cyberix> quake III rally, but it is uncomplete and a dead project
[09:24] <cyberix> And I'm not sure if mods run without the original game
[09:24] <cyberix> http://www.quakerally.com/
[09:25] <Hieronymus> there's OpenArena
[09:27] <cyberix> Fuddl: .
[09:27] <cyberix> cyberix@bunnypump:/media/cdrom1/baseq3$ md5sum pak0.pk3
[09:27] <cyberix> 1197ca3df1e65f3c380f8abc10ca43bf  pak0.pk3
[09:27] <Fuddl> Hieronymus: url? gimme! gimme! gimme! :)
[09:27] <Fuddl> cyberix: thx
[09:28] <Fuddl> phuuu, thank god, the files are the same
[09:28] <cyberix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenArena
[09:34] <Fuddl> mmmmh.... openarena indeed looks interesting
[09:37] <Hieronymus> Fuddl: it's playable, but it needs work
[09:51] <Fuddl> cyberix: good news. i created a "fake loki q3 iso" and used that iso as source medium
[09:51] <Fuddl> and i even didn't break support for the original cd ;)
[09:54] <spacey> if you want to play q3 you should check out the icculus.org sourcetree
[09:54] <spacey> its nice
[09:57] <Fuddl> spacey: they're my upstream guys - and i've never seen a mailinglist that's more fun than their q3 ml!!!
[10:06] <Fuddl> cyberix: do you know how many different "flavours" of quake3 cds exist? "the" q3 cd, the loki cd, the xyz cd?
[10:12] <mdke> anyone around who can give me a quick tip on how to build a package?
[10:13] <mdke> i downloaded the yelp source and have made some small changes to one file, now I'd like to test the package
[10:16] <mdke> actually, nm
[10:16] <mdke> i'll just install the file directly, it doesn't need building
[10:33] <mdke> if anyone wants to fix the easiest bug in the world ever, check out https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xine-ui/+bug/6099
[10:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6099: "xine has a poor entry in the Menu" Fix req. for: xine-ui (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Media Team, Status: Unconfirmed
[10:33] <mdke> I've posted the fix to the bug, someone please commit it!
[10:44] <moyogo> hi