[04:05] <x3ndou> and the other one doesn't have a name
[04:05] <grndslm> i guess i did't grant the new user sudoer access or something???
[04:05] <hejux> nowerdays Intel X86 is the most famous platform,all of the OS are running on it.
[04:05] <thompa> there are some good nvidia laptops
[04:05] <WhyvasLT> informant, just look at mac users in general.
[04:05] <x3ndou> the xscreensaver daemon isn't running
[04:05] <anivair> grndslm: can you post the exact command?
[04:05] <WhyvasLT> point and match.
[04:05] <encryptz> i love the os.  unix under the hood.  sleek design.
[04:05] <x3ndou> how do I set it to use xscreensaver
[04:05] <informant> WhyvasLT: I'm not a Mac user in general. :-)
[04:05] <thompa> sony fs-660w works nice in linux
[04:05] <informant> encryptz: exactly.
[04:05] <thompa> better than a mac anyway
[04:05] <hejux> that is we do not need SUN
[04:06] <hejux> and Unix is going to die
[04:06] <WhyvasLT> so someone tell me how to bind a specific app to a key in gnome
[04:06] <SlicerDicer> does anybody here have experience with growisofs crapping out on AMD64?
[04:06] <anivair> or a really close approximation, I guess
[04:06] <DonL> Unix will morph
[04:06] <encryptz> unix won't die
[04:06] <thompa> hejux: negative
[04:06] <informant> unix as an operating system concept is far too powerful to die; it will simply adapt (Linux, et al.)
[04:06] <thompa> hey
[04:06] <guidan> hi , why when i use apt-get update it always giving me problem?
[04:06] <encryptz> mac going to intel was a good move
[04:06] <Hobbsee> guidan: what problem does it give you?
[04:07] <guidan> it tell me to use apt-get update
[04:07] <guidan> let me see
[04:07] <thompa> what command tells me running processes in bash?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> post it on #flood
[04:07] <DonL> guidan, run it twice
[04:07] <Hobbsee> the error message that you get
[04:07] <Xenguy> thompa: ps
[04:07] <encryptz> thompa: ps
[04:07] <anivair> hello/
[04:07] <thompa> ok
[04:07] <guidan> can i paste in here?
[04:07] <guidan> i ran it 4 time
[04:07] <Hobbsee> no, paste in #flood
[04:07] <guidan> same problem
[04:07] <grndslm> anivair, i'm guessing it was: sudo usermod -d /home/shazzam -l shazzam -m
[04:07] <SlicerDicer> does anybody here have experience with growisofs crapping out on AMD64?
[04:07] <grndslm> anivair....or somethin' like that
[04:07] <thompa> got massive updates on this notebook
[04:08] <x3ndou> whoa
[04:08] <x3ndou> first time that ever happened
[04:08] <x3ndou> Ubuntu hangup
[04:08] <x3ndou> anyway
[04:08] <anivair> and are you this user?
[04:08] <Xenguy> thompa: 'top' may also be useful
[04:08] <anivair> shazzam?
[04:08] <x3ndou> how do i set X to use xscreensaver instead of the screensaver prog built into ubuntu
[04:08] <grndslm> anivair, umm....huh??  I had to run next door so that i could get on x-chat
[04:08] <lore_> hi i'm new to ubuntu linux and have a problem with now sound with creative soundblaster live. anyone have any suggestions?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> !backports
[04:09] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[04:09] <anivair> the shazzam user, is that the one you can'ty log in as?
[04:09] <thompa> thanks: is there an option with "ps"?
[04:09] <grndslm> i can't log into ANY Of them
[04:09] <DonL> grndslm, hate when that happens. For me it's live disk to the rescue
[04:09] <Hobbsee> !tell guidan about backports
[04:09] <encryptz> thompa: what are you trying to show?
[04:09] <Xenguy> thompa: e.g. -> ps -aux |grep processname
[04:09] <thompa> if nvidia is running
[04:09] <x3ndou> Hay guyz
[04:09] <x3ndou> !!!
[04:09] <ubotu> somebody said ! was what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[04:09] <x3ndou> :P
[04:09] <anivair> so you ran one usermod and now you can't log in as any of your (how many) users?  Have you tried them all? (just to clarrify)
[04:09] <grndslm> DonL, any commands you'd recommend me to get back up and running?
[04:09] <x3ndou> I need to set xscreensaver daemon to run instead of the one built into ub untu
[04:10] <jbalint> How do I enabled the ftp server? Do I have to install inetd or xinetd? Doesn't seem to be by default installed.
[04:10] <encryptz> ps -aus | grep nvidia, as Xenguy mentioned
[04:10] <thompa> thanks all!
[04:10] <anivair> he's right.  try a live disk and just put it back where it was (reverse the command) and see is that fixes it
[04:10] <encryptz> aux is what i meant to type
[04:10] <benplaut> how would i convert a ogg to a wav?
[04:10] <grndslm> anivair, so I should just try and mess with the usermod command some more??
[04:11] <Hobbsee> !java
[04:11] <ubotu> methinks java is to install both 1.4 and Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[04:11] <x3ndou> :( nobdy knows?
[04:11] <Dreamglider> WEEEHA
[04:11] <anivair> that's one option.  you didn't actually move the contents of any directories, correct?
[04:11] <DonL> grndslm, sorry, don't know enough about your prob
[04:11] <bimberi> x3ndou: my (fairly unmodified) hoary install as xscreensaver by default
[04:11] <Dreamglider> i just installed ubuntu from internet and it works :)
[04:11] <encryptz> x3ndou: xscreensaver is the default
[04:11] <grndslm> anivair, i moved the contents from /home/gloria to /home/shazzam
[04:11] <bimberi> benplaut: audacity might be able to do that
[04:11] <Bazkaz> !mountntfs
[04:11] <ubotu> Bazkaz: Not a clue
[04:11] <benplaut> k
[04:11] <Dreamglider> took a while tho about 40mintes
[04:11] <x3ndou> tI dunno how either of these progs got here, but these otherone set itself as the default
[04:12] <Bazkaz> !ntfs
[04:12] <x3ndou> And I don't like it because I can't set the properties of the screensavers
[04:12] <zpierreski> to mount ntfs, check out the guide at www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:12] <benplaut> it's really stupid that the gnome sounds have to be in wav... seriously...
[04:12] <Bazkaz> !mount
[04:12] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[04:12] <anivair> actually . . . get on via live CD and first, just try copying the new contents of shazzan back to gloria (don't depete them in either directory) and see if you can log in then.  it may just be that it's not recognizing the data, does that make any sense?
[04:12] <x3ndou> the command it runs is gnome-screensaver-preferences
[04:12] <x3ndou> the one  I dont want
[04:12] <zpierreski> Bazkaz, check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:13] <zpierreski> they explain everything
[04:13] <grndslm> not really, but i'll take your word for it...
[04:13] <Bazkaz> thanks
[04:13] <WillySilly> ububtu: "i see naked people"
[04:13] <hejux> grndslm:? solved?
[04:13] <anivair> sorry.  just sync up the two directoroes and see if that helps.  If it does, then just move the contents once you can log in as the new user properly.rather than using usermod
[04:13] <zpierreski> Hey everyone, I just used apt-get to get sun-j2re and azureus, but azureus is not working--it freezes on the initial splash screen
[04:13] <grndslm> hejux, i'm guessing....
[04:13] <troy14> hello room
[04:13] <dos000> how does one switch between window managers
[04:13] <zpierreski> anyone else had this problem?
[04:14] <SlicerDicer-> I am trying to figure out if anybody has any experience with AMD64 and growisofs crapping out when burning dvds I can maybe get 1 burn then I have to reboot my computer if I am lucky If I am really lucky it wont waste the DVD+r any ideas
[04:14] <grndslm> just puttin' in the livecd and messin' around 'til something lets me login
[04:14] <encryptz> dos000: do you have them installed?
[04:14] <troy14> i just installed breezy, and I need to make apache recognize .php files...help?
[04:14] <fmasi> how do i make apach whork whoth php ?
[04:14] <dos000> encryptz, yes i just did fluxbox
[04:14] <lore_> don't want to be a pain but anyone know about linux and creative soundblaster live card and how to get it to work in linux?
[04:14] <troy14> fmasi, looks like we have the same issue
[04:14] <anivair> window managers . . . I wonder if ubuntu has a version of switchdesk
[04:14] <dos000> encryptz, i am on hoary
[04:14] <grndslm> thanks for the help anivair et al., i must be unplugged now.
[04:15] <encryptz> just choose your window manager at the login screen then.
[04:15] <anivair> huh . . . i hope that helped him
[04:15] <DonL> lore, that's the one that worked for me automagically
[04:15] <Dreamglider> good night folks
[04:15] <anivair> lore_: what he said.  maybe a general reconfigure to see if you can get it running?
[04:15] <fmasi> troy14 i did what they say in the gide but its not opening php files snifff
[04:15] <anivair> whatever version of dpkg_reconfigure works for you
[04:15] <dos000> encryptz, i will log out and be back then ... no way of doing it while the apps are running ?
[04:15] <troy14> oh...
[04:15] <SlicerDicer-> I am trying to figure out if anybody has any experience with AMD64 and growisofs crapping out when burning dvds I can maybe get 1 burn then I have to reboot my computer if I am lucky If I am really lucky it wont waste the DVD+r anybody ever have these issues?
[04:16] <lore_> problem is i am a newbie to linux and have no experience with coding if that's what needs to be done
[04:16] <DonL> lore, what's not happening?
[04:16] <encryptz> if you have xnest installed, you can put a new session on a new display
[04:16] <troy14> i tried to get webmin installed so that I could do it that way, but it is not taking my u:p
[04:16] <lore_> DonL - I have no sound at all.
[04:16] <fmasi> i did try phpBB
[04:16] <anivair> no coding nessisary.  you just run a command and it will start a text based wizard for you that is pretty self-explanitory.
[04:16] <DonL> LoRe, do you have a speaker icon?
[04:16] <fmasi> but apach whants me to download files
[04:16] <lore_> System recognizes Dell Sound Blaster live as audito device. and yes I have a speaker icon
[04:16] <troy14> i am trying to install mp3act, so that my folks can have a mp3 server that will run to FM.
[04:17] <fmasi> nice
[04:17] <DonL> Double click on it
[04:17] <troy14> That way, it works on any stereo or walkman...
[04:17] <anivair> lore_ also, check all your volume options. I know if FC3 you had to alter like three volume controls to make sound work
[04:17] <dos000> lore_try to max the volume
[04:17] <encryptz> check out http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7298 for more info
[04:17] <troy14> but first i have to get php working.
[04:17] <lore_> To Don L. I have done that. now what
[04:17] <troy14> i have one built already, but I used suse 9.3 to do oit.
[04:18] <fmasi> So enny one know whot to make php whork ????
[04:18] <DonL> Make sure your volumes are up on speaker, cd, etc
[04:18] <kerlnel20> hi
[04:18] <troy14> does anyone here know how to get apache to work with php files???
[04:18] <kerlnel20> i am kinda new in ubuntu
[04:18] <encryptz> dos000: i haven't used xnest for a while, but it is cool
[04:18] <anivair> Lore_: right click the volume control and select preferances.  What does it say you're using for a mixer?
[04:18] <lore_> DonL. They are.
[04:18] <kerlnel20> what is the default loader of ubuntu is it grub or lilo?
[04:18] <troy14> kerlnel20: good choice!
[04:18] <linner> greetings strangeones :)
[04:18] <fmasi> I second troy14
[04:18] <DonL> kerlnel20, grub
[04:19] <kerlnel20> i am used on redhat products and fedora
[04:19] <lore_> It is the ALSA mixer.
[04:19] <anivair> lore_ try switching it to OSS
[04:19] <troy14> cant wait for this week to pass so badger goes final... when do I get my cd's???
[04:19] <kerlnel20> would it be easier for me to migrate to ubuntu?
[04:19] <DonL> kerlnel20, I was too. For years
[04:19] <troy14> kerlnel20: I used that and suse... i like this better as a desktop... unstoppable.
[04:19] <anivair> (or any other options there)
[04:19] <kerlnel20> what makes ubuntu an edge with RH and FCs?
[04:19] <DonL> kerlnel20, you'll have to learn Deb, but you will love it
[04:20] <linner> nalioth: hey there ;)
[04:20] <lore_> Switched to OSS and still have no sound
[04:20] <anivair> hmm . . .
[04:20] <kerlnel20> so ubuntu is only good for desktop?
[04:20] <zpierreski> I've used it as a server
[04:20] <zpierreski> it works great
[04:20] <nalioth> kerlnel20: ubuntu is good for whatever you want to use it for
[04:20] <kerlnel20> how about server services?
[04:20] <troy14> kerlnel20: it is more user friendly, IMHO, but alot of the crap you have to go thru on a fedora install is already done for you...
[04:20] <zpierreski> I used squidguard and clamav
[04:20] <kerlnel20> web, email ftp samba and son
[04:20] <kerlnel20> web, email ftp samba and so onn
[04:20] <bimberi> fine as a server for me
[04:20] <DonL> kerlnel20,  Ubuntu has a linux core, so it's good for anything
[04:21] <dbzdeath> DonL: well said
[04:21] <DonL> dbzdeath, thks
[04:21] <anivair> lore_: i'm thinking, just a second
[04:21] <dbzdeath> you do get exceptions... *cough* linspire
[04:21] <lore_> Does the age of the card matter. its about 2 years old purchased through dell and in windows its listed as souldblaster live (WDM)
[04:21] <x3ndou> grr
[04:21] <anivair> that should actually help, not hinder
[04:21] <kerlnel20> i am kinda thinking, coz i am confuse if the support of this distro aint gonna last long
[04:21] <x3ndou> man I love that fade effect
[04:21] <anivair> older tech has more bugs worked out and linux tackles it better
[04:22] <dbzdeath> kerlnel20: can always move to debian... its basically the same
[04:22] <fmasi> troy14 if you find how to do it tel me i will try to figure it out
[04:22] <kerlnel20> does ubuntu have implemented SELInus?
[04:22] <kerlnel20> does ubuntu have implemented SELInux?
[04:22] <troy14> ok
[04:22] <anivair> lore_: again, right click the volume control and select volume control
[04:22] <guidan> k
[04:22] <encryptz> kerlnel20: not that i am aware of
[04:23] <lore_> ok did that
[04:23] <anivair> make sure you're unmuted in playback
[04:23] <troy14> fmasi, you can add repos to synaptic and then install webmin, that should help... for some reason its not taking my u:p
[04:23] <kerlnel20> hmm security enhanced linux a project from NSA
[04:23] <encryptz> yeah, and it is solid
[04:23] <lore_> ok, nothing is muted
[04:23] <kerlnel20> does ubuntu resolved ACPI problems?
[04:23] <fmasi> troy14 gona try
[04:24] <WhyvasLT> so someone tell me how to bind a specific app to a key in gnome
[04:24] <troy14> I have no pwmgmt issues with ubuntu, kerlnel20
[04:24] <bimberi> troy14: how about these packages? libapache2-mod-php4 (or libapache2-mod-php5)
[04:24] <encryptz> still a work in progress.  breezy hasn't resolved all
[04:24] <anivair> lore_: go to system -> preferances -> sound
[04:24] <anivair> make sure that everything is checked under general
[04:24] <kerlnel20> what is the kernel version shipped with ubuntu's new release?
[04:24] <lore_> anivair: ok it is.
[04:24] <bimberi> kerlnel20: 2.6.12
[04:24] <encryptz> 2.6.12
[04:24] <DonL> lore_, I know you've already checked this, but I miss it sometimes. Is there a volume knob on a speaker perhaps that got turned down somehow?
[04:25] <kerlnel20> k great
[04:25] <kerlnel20> how do u install packages?
[04:25] <lore_> DonL: very funny, but we checked that too.
[04:25] <kerlnel20> still dpkg?
[04:25] <DonL> I'm sure you did
[04:25] <encryptz> sudo apt-get insall package-name
[04:25] <bimberi> kerlnel20: apt tools (such as synaptic)
[04:25] <dbzdeath> troy14: i hate having all those seperate packages for different webmin modules... so i just install the package from webmin.com
[04:25] <N17R0> whats the problem when "Add/Remove Programs"  is not loading the content? The window stays empty
[04:25] <troy14> hmm... wasnt installed, bimberi... working... :)
[04:25] <lore_> DonL; and they are plugged ing.  8)
[04:25] <kerlnel20> no not online
[04:25] <anivair> try this url (if you can); http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[04:25] <fmasi> troy14, what is the url for using webmin so i can try it
[04:25] <anivair> great guide
[04:25] <DonL> Okay
[04:25] <mwright1night> What's the best way to get a ssh encrypted tunnel to a windows user connecting to the linux box so that the presentation on the windows machine is as a ppp interface
[04:25] <encryptz> manually?
[04:25] <kerlnel20> meaning packages from cd rom
[04:25] <troy14> webmin.com
[04:25] <WhyvasLT> N17R0, slow laptop
[04:26] <bimberi> troy14: ooh good, i don't know php much :P
[04:26] <N17R0> nope 1600Mhz P4
[04:26] <anivair> it has a list of stuff to run to make sure it's set up properly
[04:26] <kerlnel20> me i know php heheh
[04:26] <mwright1night> or some sort of tcp/ip network interface (doesn't have to be ppp)
[04:26] <encryptz> "./configure", "make", "sudo make install"
[04:26] <anivair> also, you can always reinstall the OSS stuff (I'd have to dig to find out how, but it can't hurt)
[04:26] <zpierreski> I think I might have a non-working copy of sun-j2re, can anyone give me a good apt-get mirror 4 it
[04:26] <N17R0> WhyvasLT: It was working yesterday
[04:26] <thompa> anybody know the latest kernel version in badger updated?
[04:26] <dbzdeath> kerlnel20: dpkg works for cd's
[04:26] <bimberi> kerlnel20: well, yes dpkg
[04:26] <troy14> that may not fix it... the issues has to do with .php files being assembled by a browser... what it is trying to do now is download the file...
[04:26] <kerlnel20> how do u activate service is it on /etc/rc.d/init.d ?
[04:26] <lore_> Anivair: Thanks will try that link. Thanks for all of your help. I'm sure I'll be back if this doesn't work out.
[04:26] <anivair> (I think my evil twin just quit, did anyone see that?)
[04:26] <dbzdeath> kerlnel20: /etc/init.d/
[04:26] <kerlnel20> how do u activate service is it on /etc/rc.d/init.d ?
[04:26] <kerlnel20> ic
[04:27] <fmasi> troy14, I mean once it is instaled
[04:27] <thompa> 2.6.12-9-386
[04:27] <N17R0> kerlnel20: rcconf
[04:27] <wickedpuppy> kerlnel20, for example /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[04:27] <troy14> fmasi... pay attention to what we are saying. synaptic install php packages for libapache-php5
[04:27] <x3ndou> Hey
[04:27] <p05iron> anybody knows to windows XP MCE?
[04:27] <x3ndou> How do I install new logon screens
[04:27] <kerlnel20> ic.. coz in rh it is httpd
[04:27] <dos000> encryptz, thanks .. it rocks now
[04:27] <x3ndou> and wehre can I find them
[04:27] <encryptz> sweet.
[04:27] <SlicerDicer-> I am trying to figure out if anybody has any experience with AMD64 and growisofs crapping out when burning dvds I can maybe get 1 burn then I have to reboot my computer if I am lucky If I am really lucky it wont waste the DVD+r anybody ever have these issues?
[04:28] <p05iron> HELoo
[04:28] <troy14> bimberi... didnt do it.
[04:28] <p05iron> answere me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[04:28] <kerlnel20> what is the default MTA, is it sendmail?
[04:28] <thompa> where does 2.6.12 kernel image come from?
[04:28] <fmasi> troy14, sory whas reading soma pages in the net
[04:28] <troy14> what about it p05 iron?
[04:28] <dbzdeath> kerlnel20: there is no 'default' you can install whatever one you want
[04:28] <encryptz> kerlnel20: not sure, actually.
[04:28] <thompa> wont that mess up my nvidia?
[04:28] <p05iron> WINDOWS MCE?
[04:28] <troy14> thats ok... i was installing php packages. you may want to check that you have php installed... :)
[04:28] <zpierreski> can anyone give me some mirrors for sun java?
[04:28] <p05iron> DO you know=?
[04:28] <kerlnel20> btw, does it resolve the issue on ACPI?
[04:29] <troy14> ok p05iron, what do you want about MCE?
[04:29] <x3ndou> Do I have to get logon screens which are meant for Ubuntu or just meant for Gnome
[04:29] <troy14> this is not a MCE room.
[04:29] <bimberi> troy14: :(
[04:29] <DonL> p05iron, no one will help you if you are impatient
[04:29] <troy14> that's ok... ill get it...
[04:29] <kerlnel20> coz FCs release has probs on unstable support on bios ACPI
[04:29] <linner> hey bimberi
[04:29] <p05iron> ok
[04:29] <encryptz> x3ndou: no- you can change display managers
[04:29] <WhyvasLT> SCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOORRREEEEEEE!!
[04:29] <troy14> suse 10.0 goes live tomorrow...
[04:29] <bimberi> hey linner! :)
[04:29] <p05iron> hoa many time i need to wailt?
[04:29] <linner> how the heck are ya'? :)
[04:30] <troy14> p05iron, I am asking you what you want. You are not answering...
[04:30] <linner> :)
[04:30] <kerlnel20> btw, does it resolve the issue on ACPI?
[04:30] <bimberi> linner: i'm ok, how's your wireless (dare i ask?)
[04:30] <p05iron> wailt me please
[04:30] <kerlnel20> btw, does ubuntu resolve the issue on ACPI?
[04:30] <p05iron> troy14
[04:30] <p05iron>  is ok?
[04:31] <linner> bimberi: it's so great i had to uninstalled ubuntu for now
[04:31] <troy14> I hate MCE... It's the biggest pile of M$ crap since Me.
[04:31] <linner> bimberi: oops uninstall ;)
[04:31] <thompa> hey, how do i remove the kernel? i dont want it.
[04:31] <linner> troy14: this isn't an MCE room
[04:31] <troy14> I would take a myth box anyday...
[04:31] <DonL> troy14, I've never heard of it
[04:31] <kerlnel20> btw, does ubuntu resolve the issue on ACPI?
[04:31] <p05iron> ok
[04:31] <encryptz> kerlnel20: ?
[04:31] <troy14> DonL Media Center Edition...
[04:31] <dbzdeath> kerlnel20: .... fedora is not ubuntu... afaik there are no apache issues on ubuntu... but i don't use acpi.. so yeah
[04:31] <bimberi> linner: yeah, i guess that's why you're waiting for breezy :|
[04:31] <dbzdeath> *acpi
[04:31] <dbzdeath> argh
[04:32] <dbzdeath> dunno what i'm thinking
[04:32] <p05iron> troy14 what is the difference in windows XP and XP MCE?
[04:32] <linner> bimberi: you got it kiddo! :)
[04:32] <bimberi> :)
[04:32] <p05iron> do you know what is????........................
[04:32] <dbzdeath> whats MCE stand for?
[04:32] <DonL> Ahh. I only use MS at work because I have to, and we don't do much media in that environment
[04:32] <dbzdeath> ohhh
[04:32] <dbzdeath> media centre edition
[04:32] <troy14> A program that lets you view and organize media content, and distribute it about your network.
[04:32] <QiHEWS> im so happy! =)
[04:32] <kerlnel20> hehehe
[04:32] <thompa> ok i removed the kernel now what?
[04:32] <encryptz> what does MCE have to do with ubuntu?  just curious.
[04:32] <troy14> it is just an add on program, not an OS, as they would like you to believe
[04:33] <DonL> linner, good question
[04:33] <dbzdeath> encryptz: nothing... i vote they go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:33] <troy14> it doesn't
[04:33] <QiHEWS> i got the web running on ubuntu, with a rt2500
[04:33] <kerlnel20> when can it be considered stable the new release of ubunto 5.10?
[04:33] <anivair> when it is officially released?
[04:33] <kerlnel20> Breezy Badger
[04:33] <troy14> this guy is asking M$ questions because linux people know more about computers than anyone in Redmond.
[04:33] <QiHEWS> so painless
[04:33] <thompa> i got ubunto 5.10. very stable so far
[04:33] <dbzdeath> kerlnel20: um early october... i can't remember the release date
[04:33] <bimberi> kerlnel20: due for release on October 13
[04:33] <linner> 10/15
[04:33] <encryptz> troy14: i am wondering what must me wrong with #windows channel
[04:33] <dbzdeath> yeah october 13th
[04:33] <linner> bimberi: really 3th?
[04:33] <encryptz> :)
[04:33] <linner> oops sorry ya'll
[04:33] <thompa> and thats on a notebook.
[04:33] <DonL> troy14, ha ha
[04:33] <troy14> don't know.
[04:34] <p05iron> Lol
[04:34] <troy14> I just came in to get php working, and then I will be on my way.
[04:34] <DonL> Maybe the windows channel costs money now
[04:34] <thompa> only thing was mounting windows.
[04:34] <kerlnel20> is it really 1 cd for ubuntu?
[04:34] <encryptz> DonL: that would make sense
[04:34] <troy14> DonL: That was great...
[04:34] <linner> kerlnel20: yes
[04:34] <DonL> lol
[04:34] <dbzdeath> hahahahaha there is a #windows channel :P
[04:34] <troy14> yes kerlnel20
[04:34] <linner> kerlnel20: wonderful isn't it?
[04:34] <kerlnel20> so it means it only has few packages
[04:34] <encryptz> damn licensing fees
[04:34] <thompa> im not sure how to  do home networking yet
[04:34] <linner> kerlnel20: it has a LOT of stuff on it
[04:35] <QiHEWS> hey guys, if you got problems with your wlan just ask me
[04:35] <erirlar> hi, what is the thing with the "universe" and "multiverse" reps?
[04:35] <troy14> no, kerlnel20.. you can install thousands of packages.
[04:35] <linner> kerlnel20: and synaptic works impeccibly well :)
[04:35] <kerlnel20> synaptic?
[04:35] <linner> kerlnel20: for getting new software
[04:35] <troy14> right, but I am hearing talk of moving away from apt/synaptic to yum... curious.
[04:35] <linner> kerlnel20: synaptic is the "apt-get" gui for getting new software
[04:36] <anivair> kerlnel20: synaptic is the ubuntu package mamager that you can use to i nstall mre software
[04:36] <anivair> it's reallty handy
[04:36] <kerlnel20> ahh like apt-get and yum
[04:36] <troy14> it is a front end GUI to make things easy
[04:36] <encryptz> yum?  for rpms?  yuk
[04:36] <linner> kerlnel20: yeppers
[04:36] <troy14> right... thats what I thought
[04:36] <thompa> synaptic is nice.
[04:36] <troy14> it sure is
[04:36] <anivair> and bear in mind that even on 1 CD ubuntu still comes with 10 times what windoes has on it.
[04:36] <troy14> and its FREE!!!
[04:36] <DonL> Played with Yum when I was using Fedora. Maybe it's matured. At the time it wasn't a match for apt-get
[04:36] <anivair> can't argue with free
[04:36] <linner> anivair: more like windon't
[04:36] <encryptz> apt-get and synaptic are the number one reason i moved to ubuntu from suse
[04:36] <thompa> im not sure how to use it with "add applications"
[04:37] <bimberi> linner: lol
[04:37] <kerlnel20> hmmm
[04:37] <anivair> yum and apt-get both blow on fedora.  apt-get, when used properly on a debian style system, is amazing
[04:37] <troy14> I still like suse, but I like this ALOT better.
[04:37] <linner> encryptz: me too... I got most everything to work on SuSE but the darned pkg manager
[04:37] <wickedpuppy> DonL, you can use synaptic on fedora too ... with yum repos of course
[04:37] <anivair> I hate problems with it in FC too, but not so much in ubuntu
[04:37] <linner> bimberi: liked that?
[04:37] <linner> :)
[04:37] <troy14> I use suse for my servers.
[04:37] <encryptz> linner: thumbs up!
[04:37] <kerlnel20> what is the problem u have seen in FCs?
[04:37] <troy14> I have a mirror that is close, so pkg mgmt was np
[04:37] <DonL> wickedpuppy, Yeah. I did that. Kind of an interpretation thing. Actually got me hooked on the real thing though
[04:37] <troy14> I like FC3 better than FC4
[04:37] <wickedpuppy> lol
[04:38] <bimberi> linner: hehe, yes
[04:38] <linner> encryptz: why thank you! :)
[04:38] <linner> bimberi: *heeheheheheh*
[04:38] <kerlnel20> my server here runs on fc3
[04:38] <kerlnel20> but recently downloaded fc4
[04:38] <kerlnel20> 8 cds huh
[04:38] <encryptz> i have hoary for my server, and love t
[04:38] <troy14> that's what i used before I switched to 9.3
[04:38] <encryptz> it
[04:38] <troy14> why 8?
[04:38] <DonL> troy14, fc4 messed my system up big time or I would maybe still be using Fedora and not knowing the benefits of Ubuntu
[04:38] <kerlnel20> btw, does ubuntu ships with source on packages?
[04:39] <kerlnel20> like kernel i want to recompile it
[04:39] <troy14> DonL, I tried ubuntu on a tip from a friend, and have been hooked since.
[04:39] <kerlnel20> i would just go to /usr/src/...
[04:39] <bimberi> kerlnel20: with more people getting broadband then a single CD with well chosen packages plus easy install of other stuff via the net works well
[04:39] <encryptz> kerlnel20: no, not with the kernel
[04:39] <troy14> i just need to get apache2 to use php
[04:39] <kerlnel20> what if i am going to compile the kernel?
[04:39] <encryptz> have to download the sources manually
[04:39] <encryptz> kinda sux
[04:40] <DonL> troy14, it really is nice the choice we have. The "other people" have no choice
[04:40] <kerlnel20> download the sources?
[04:40] <DonL> (trying not to appear negative)
[04:40] <kerlnel20> u mean at kernel.org the .gz file?
[04:40] <dbzdeath> encryptz: kernel-source packages
[04:40] <troy14> I have to use Windows at work, so I installed Virtual PC and use ubuntu.
[04:40] <Bazkaz> wickedpuppy: Did you give me the link to the NTFS sudo mount command? I'm installing full version tonight and wanted to have that before I do it.
[04:40] <bimberi> kerlnel20: no, ubuntu has it's own patched kernel source packages (named linux-source*)
[04:41] <encryptz> kerlnel20: yeah, or as dbzdeath said
[04:41] <Bazkaz> troy14: How does the Virtual PC work for ya?
[04:41] <wickedpuppy> NTFS sudo ?
[04:41] <wickedpuppy> not me
[04:41] <bimberi> kerlnel20: ...obtainable from the ubuntu repositories
[04:41] <wickedpuppy> !ntfs
[04:41] <ubotu> I heard ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[04:41] <kerlnel20> where?
[04:41] <wickedpuppy> there you go
[04:41] <wickedpuppy> lol
[04:41] <DonL> troy14, I haven't got that far yet. They call me network administrator because nobody knows dick about computers, but the most I've done is install Firefox on some machines
[04:42] <Bazkaz> thanks wickedpuppy
[04:42] <wickedpuppy> np :P
[04:42] <kerlnel20> where is the repository link?
[04:42] <troy14> can anyone help me with configging the server to rec php files??? encryptz???
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !repositories
[04:42] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[04:42] <troy14> i like it better than using windoze!
[04:42] <bimberi> kerlnel20: archive.ubuntu.com (and mirrors) contains the repositories for ubuntu packages
[04:42] <kurtbec> anyone else using kubuntu?
[04:42] <bimberi> kerlnel20: you can browse what's available at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:42] <DonL> troy14, me too, big time. Been almost five years now
[04:42] <pauldaoust> hmm. I'm wondering... you know the way print queues in Windows will automatically unpause themselves when the printer turns on/gets plugged back in/gets more paper fed to it? is there any way Ubuntu can do this?
[04:42] <kerlnel20> ok great
[04:42] <Hobbsee> kurtbek: yes
[04:43] <pauldaoust> (searching in forums didn't bring up anything relevant)
[04:43] <kurtbec> Hobbsee: are you running hoary or breezy?
[04:43] <pauldaoust> (maybe that suggests there is no way?)
[04:43] <encryptz> apt-get source linux-image-2.6.12
[04:43] <kerlnel20> btw, after u have installed ubuntu does it imply that apache doesnt support php at default?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> kurtbec: you might want to join #kubuntu, and i'm running hoary currently
[04:43] <troy14> I attack windows boxes at work just to get everyone in the office to see how crappy win really is
[04:43] <kerlnel20> rh and fcs are automatic
[04:43] <NewDude> lol
[04:43] <Hobbsee> kurtbec: i have tried running breezy a couple of times, and might later today
[04:43] <encryptz> you have to install the php-mysql module
[04:44] <troy14> i take over systems using rdpv5 or vnc and they have no idea how I do it...
[04:44] <bimberi> kerlnel20: probably not, but that's one of the single-CD tradeoffs
[04:44] <DonL> troy14, had to un virus a machine today. Took about 2 hours. Ad stuff, virus stuff. you name it
[04:44] <kurtbec> Hobbsee: I've just noticed a problem with gl screensavers under kde in breezy.  just wondering if anyone else notices it
[04:45] <Hobbsee> kurtbec: check on #kubuntu, but i recall it's a bug
[04:45] <styles> quick question?
[04:45] <styles> where is mcopy?
[04:45] <rendi> hi can help me how to disable autoupdate
[04:45] <dbzdeath> kerlnel20: just install the php5 or php4 package and then you have support
[04:45] <styles> syslinux tells me I don't have it
[04:45] <kurtbec> Hobbsee: i'll give that channel a whirl
[04:45] <DonL> kurtbec, my problem was with xorg. Wouldn't accelerate.
[04:45] <rendi> its very very stuck
[04:45] <dbzdeath> kerlnel20: and the apache module for php
[04:46] <bimberi> styles: mtools
[04:46] <kurtbec> DonL: its not xorg.  If i run the screensavers from the command line they work just fine.  Just when they are ran through kde do they not appeared accelerated.
[04:46] <kerlnel20> how about open office is it included in one cd?
[04:46] <bimberi> kerlnel20: yes, 1.3 is on the CD
[04:46] <kerlnel20> available for download?
[04:46] <kerlnel20> hmm
[04:46] <bimberi> kerlnel20: 1.9beta available for download
[04:46] <kerlnel20> i am kinda eager on ubuntu
[04:46] <DonL> kurtbec, ahh. Don't know. I have KDE installed but I much prefer Gnome. So I don't use it.
[04:47] <rendi> helloo
[04:47] <bimberi> kerlnel20: there's an active backport group too so OOo2 is likely to be available soon after release
[04:47] <kerlnel20> btw, what is the minimum hardware specs in running ubuntu with gnome?
[04:47] <crazyman101> hi
[04:47] <tritium> hi crazyman101
[04:47] <DonL> kerlnel20, you can install it no matter what system you use I think freely from the website
[04:47] <crazyman101> SO Breezy is hitting mirriors tomorrow?
[04:47] <kerlnel20> hardware requirements
[04:48] <kerlnel20> DonL
[04:48] <troy14> DonL: I use Panda, and I have better luck with that than any other av software I have tried. I also use Ad Aware, Spybot and actually the M$ Anti-Spyware program is pretty good.
[04:48] <kerlnel20> hardware req
[04:48] <Hobbsee> bimberi: or you can get OOo 2 RC1, if you go get the deb of it
[04:48] <rendi> hi can help me how to disable autoupdate for my ubuntu
[04:48] <do0bz> can Wine 20050725
[04:48] <do0bz>  in ubuntu be upgrade to the latest release of wine?"
[04:48] <Hobbsee> crazyman: the RC is, yes
[04:48] <troy14> crazyman101: The RC is hitting mirrors tomorrow...
[04:48] <kerlnel20> like 233 mhz pc and so on
[04:48] <bimberi> Hobbsee: ah, thanks :)
[04:48] <DonL> troy14, haven't used any of those, but will keep them in mind. Thanks!
[04:48] <troy14> the final release is next week.
[04:48] <kerlnel20> hard disk space
[04:48] <pauldaoust> kerlnel20: you can get away with 300 MHz, 64 MB... but it's rather tslow. I'm running it on some 400 MHz machines with 128 MB, and it's running fairly decently.
[04:48] <tritium> no crazyman101, on the 13th
[04:48] <Hobbsee> do0bz: yes, check out winehq.org, and get it from there
[04:48] <crazyman101> oops.  :X  My bad  Why do I think theres a major distro release tomorrow
[04:49] <pauldaoust> hey, now that Breezy is in wider use... has anyone tried it with older hardware? especially unaccelerated video cards?
[04:49] <DonL> troy14, sorry. I use SpyBot and AdAware
[04:49] <kerlnel20> hmm if that is true it makes a lot of since the fcs
[04:49] <pauldaoust> any thoughts on your experiences?
[04:49] <troy14> where can I make config changes to apache2???
[04:49] <dbzdeath> pauldaoust: know how much space a server install takes?(the minimum)
[04:49] <kerlnel20> coz at fcs my 1.7 gigs celeron kinda crawling sometimes
[04:49] <QiHEWS> do you know a good site for free games to play in ubuntu..i just ditched my burned roms and have come to the step of leaving xp completely, and would like to try out a nice game in linux
[04:50] <do0bz> @hobbsee is that the guide from the repository of ubuntu
[04:50] <kerlnel20> troy14: i gues in /etc/httpd/conf.d/?
[04:50] <kerlnel20> hehe
[04:50] <virgule> hey What would you do if all 7 remote controls in the house stopped working at once? They still 'work' as the led show up when the buttons get pressed but the signals wont reach anything?
[04:50] <pauldaoust> troy14: /etc/apache2 -- there are a few files in there though. one is httpd.conf (or maybe they've changed the name to apache.conf), and one is vhosts.conf (which you only need if you're running virtual domains), etc
[04:50] <troy14> can I tell it to use php files?
[04:50] <do0bz> @hobbsee i can get the latest wine in the repository
[04:50] <pauldaoust> dbzdeath: I have done a server install, but I've always augmented it with extra packages, and never looked at the initial space taken up anyway.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> do0bz: which version is it showing as the latest?
[04:50] <troy14> All I want to do is get the server to use the php in the site
[04:50] <do0bz> Wine 20050725
[04:51] <styles> Thanx guys
[04:51] <bimberi> QiHEWS: browse the "Games and Amusements" section in Synaptic
[04:51] <do0bz> that
[04:51] <Xenguy_> dbzdeath: I've got a nice Gnome desktop on a laptop, and it is still under 2Gb (FWIW)
[04:51] <Hobbsee> do0bz: as in wine 20050725?
[04:51] <do0bz> yes
[04:51] <DonL> Xenguy_, as someone who used KDE for years, I'm lovin Gnome now
[04:51] <Xenguy_> dbzdeath: so without X and all the desktop stuff, it would be a lot smaller
[04:51] <Hobbsee> there's a later version
[04:51] <dbzdeath> Xenguy_: i know
[04:52] <pauldaoust> DonL: what do you prefer about GNOME?
[04:52] <do0bz> wat version r u using
[04:52] <pauldaoust> (let's start a flame war ^_^)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> do0bz:http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb is the latest
[04:52] <Xenguy_> DonL: yeah, I find KDE rather gaudy (just my personal taste); GNOME suits my personality better
[04:52] <pauldaoust> heh, same here
[04:52] <DonL> pauldaoust, it just seems to work better, faster, and more efficiently. I figure bouncing icons I don't need, among other things.
[04:52] <pauldaoust> DonL: yes you need bouncing icons!!!
[04:52] <P8ntKid> What window manager do you all use?
[04:52] <QiHEWS> a few ones :) any recommendations for a rpger
[04:52] <DonL> lol
[04:53] <pauldaoust> DonL: seriously though... I prefer it myself because of the simplicity too
[04:53] <Xenguy> P8ntKid: when I don't use GNOME, I use wmaker
[04:53] <Xenguy> P8ntKid: if you want lean, xfce and icewm are 2 others worth a look
[04:53] <QiHEWS> hmm..i could play ADOM! =) =) =)
[04:54] <P8ntKid> Xenguy: Nah, i have been using Fluxbox for over a year now. I love it, i just want to try something new.
[04:54] <DonL> Yes. I seem to have less problems with it as well. I had to learn different ways of doing things, but it wasn't bad, and I like the elegance
[04:54] <kwilcox> Any  documented problems with icons when upgrading to Breezy?
[04:54] <P8ntKid> Xenguy: Does the apt sources have the newest version of wmaker? Cuase i installed it but it seems like an older version
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> P8ntKid,  how can you tell. :P
[04:54] <Xenguy> P8ntKid: and you have my suggestions dude - feel free to delete :-)
[04:54] <pauldaoust> aw poo. I'm trying to administer this computer network for schoolkids (and of course teachers who aren't terribly computer-literate) and when the printer goes offline and the CUPS queue pauses, bringing the printer offline doesn't unpause the queue. Does anyone know if there's something that would unpause the queue as soon as the printer is ready once again?
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> P8ntKid,  i dont think the thing has changed much in 2 years
[04:55] <DonL> Xenguy, I'm always open to different stuff. But I seem to migrate back to Gnome all the time lately
[04:55] <P8ntKid> Xenguy: ???
[04:55] <Xenguy> P8ntKid: just press delete :-)
[04:55] <pauldaoust> (I'm asking this because these people won't know how to do this on a regular basis, and I'm not an in-house admin, so I'm not gonna make a trip just to un-pause the print queue ;-) )
[04:55] <eythian> Heh, I've been using KDE for years, and just started iwth Gnome. It's come a long way since I last used it.
[04:55] <QiHEWS> i dont really trust OS updates..my plan, when the cd pops out the mail, is to wipe the  hd containing ubuntu and to install 5.10 as the preview was..do you think that the boot manager will get along with that
[04:55] <Xenguy> DonL: gnome is great, except for older hardware, where it starts to chug
[04:56] <zeus1_> !wireless
[04:56] <ubotu> I guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:56] <Xenguy> QiHEWS: that's the wrong plan...
[04:56] <QiHEWS> xenguy so what's the right one
[04:56] <Xenguy> QiHEWS: debian, and ubuntu, and famous for "install once, upgrade forever" :-)
[04:56] <ibuntu> gnome works good. it works better if you ditch metacity
[04:56] <Xenguy> QiHEWS: s/and/are
[04:56] <DonL> Xenguy, good thing I gutted my system and put fast stuff in it a year ago. It' now almost up to the speed of machines you can buy for 500 bucks just about anywhere. LOL
[04:56] <P8ntKid> Xenguy: For what?
[04:57] <Xenguy> DonL: yep
[04:57] <QiHEWS> xenguy good to know
[04:57] <Xenguy> P8ntKid: /ignore me ;-)
[04:57] <QiHEWS> xenguy and that is done with the synaptic?
[04:57] <Xenguy> QiHEWS: yeah, it's amazing - it's pretty much 'apt-get dist-upgrade', but check the docs when it comes time of course
[04:58] <Xenguy> QiHEWS: sure, or apt-get, or the aptitude
[04:58] <QiHEWS> nice
[04:58] <ibuntu> you have to add the breezy repositories too
[04:58] <Davidleeroth> Do any of you guys kknow how to get the netcardconfig command on ubuntu
[04:59] <linner|HOME> wow i didn't know there were three of me in here
[04:59] <Xenguy> Davidleeroth: ethconfig(?)
[04:59] <nalioth_zZz> linner|HOME: do you feel pulled in many directions?
[04:59] <dbzdeath> ifconfig??
[04:59] <linner|HOME> nalioth_zZz: ya' think?
[04:59] <linner|HOME> nalioth_zZz: what causes that?
[04:59] <P8ntKid> What Window managers do you all use besides gnome and kde?
[05:00] <kwilcox> any problems with icons when upgrading to breezy? Nautilus no longer shows different file types... all directories and files look the same... its almost as if the icon directory was changed
[05:00] <ibuntu> I use openbox
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> use them all - keep what you like
[05:00] <tritium> what's up, linner|HOME ?
[05:00] <WhyvasLT> so someone tell me how to bind a specific app to a key in gnome
[05:00] <tritium> kwilcox, haven't seen anything like that
[05:00] <ibuntu> but right now I'm using gnome&openbox
[05:00] <linner|HOME> tritium: hey sweetie!
[05:00] <tritium> :)
[05:00] <linner|HOME> tritium: how are ya'?
[05:00] <_n00blar_> Hi all, any of you know how to make a logitech mx 500 mouse to work..actually the buttons on the left side of the mouse. I use the left side buttons for back/forward on my browsers in windows
[05:00] <P8ntKid> Anybody know any cool desktop programs that work with fluxbox?
[05:01] <Davidleeroth> ubuntu is a fun word to type :)
[05:01] <tritium> linner|HOME, fine, thanks.  How are you?
[05:01] <ibuntu> adesklets for fluxbox
[05:01] <ibuntu> you can add icons with it
[05:01] <linner|HOME> tritium: started a new job... and well, had to uninstall ubuntu.... but other than that GRrr-EAT!
[05:01] <omarson> Hey!, does anyone knows how can I get the root password?
[05:01] <linner|HOME> ;)
[05:01] <omarson> Hey!, does anyone knows how can I get the root password?
[05:01] <kwilcox> tritium: do you know where nautilus gets its icons from? cant find the option to change anywhere
[05:01] <tritium> linner|HOME, congrats!  Um, why did you have to uninstall it?
[05:01] <tritium> omarson, don't repeat please
[05:01] <tritium> !tell omarson about root
[05:01] <bimberi> omarson: the root account is disabled ...
[05:01] <_jason> !tell omarson about rootsudo
[05:02] <vader1102> omarson,  it is the installers password
[05:02] <linner|HOME> tritium: because i couldn't use the wireless and the clock problem was REALLY getting on my nerves
[05:02] <tritium> kwilcox, not off hand, no
[05:02] <zeus1_> DWL-AG530 it uses madwifi drivers how do I make it work on ubuntu
[05:02] <tritium> linner|HOME, you never got it working?  Which chipset is it?
[05:02] <linner|HOME> tritium: so I decided to install it again when the final is ready
[05:02] <linner|HOME> tritium: nope...
[05:02] <discgolfer> irc://irc.criten.net/0day
[05:02] <linner|HOME> tritium: broadcom........................ evil
[05:03] <linner|HOME> nice
[05:03] <GrannyTux> anybody know what error 196 is when printing local from server
[05:03] <tritium> linner|HOME, ndiswrapper didn't do the trick?
[05:03] <linner|HOME> tritium: nope... not at all
[05:03] <linner|HOME> tritium: sad huh?
[05:03] <linner|HOME> :)
[05:03] <tritium> yes
[05:03] <zeus1_> its not helping me either tritium
[05:03] <omarson> Im sorry, but is there a spanish channel?
[05:03] <zeus1_> im getting really pissed with lack of wireless in linux'
[05:03] <tritium> zeus1_, no?  sorry to hear that
[05:03] <tritium> !es
[05:03] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:03] <djbrieck> Question if I am running Ubuntu 5.04 will I be able to update to the latest with out having to download and burn another cd?
[05:03] <kwilcox> Anybody know the default directory that nautilus gets its icons from?? My files all showing the same defualt "page" icon after upgrading
[05:03] <P8ntKid> Any body know how to get this bar at the button of this screenshot? http://iamdebom.com/stuff/Screenshot.png
[05:04] <linner|HOME> zeus1_: do you have a broadcom chipset?
[05:04] <tritium> omarson, did you see that?
[05:04] <QiHEWS> what's the best roguelike for linux
[05:04] <zeus1_> no internet isnt gonna work for me...I need internet connection or ubuntu is pretty much useless...just think about it. No updates, no new packages, or upgrades.
[05:04] <zeus1_> no
[05:04] <tritium> no lifeblood
[05:04] <bimberi> djbrieck: sure - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[05:04] <linner|HOME> zeus1_: just use the ethernet port
[05:04] <zeus1_> linner|Home it uses Atheros
[05:04] <zeus1_> chipset
[05:04] <Xenguy> djbrieck: that is the Debian/Ubuntu specialty :-)
[05:04] <djbrieck> cool
[05:05] <QiHEWS> and if you can't make the card work, get the module source and type insmod *.ko
[05:05] <djbrieck> how stable is Breezy
[05:05] <QiHEWS> in the same directory
[05:05] <zucchini_folk> yo
[05:05] <DonL> djbrieck, have you been using Hoary for a while?
[05:05] <linner|HOME> QiHEWS: what does that do?
[05:05] <Amaranth> zeus1_: Hey, it at least starts you out with more things to do than Windows. ;)
[05:05] <linner|HOME> djbrieck: pretty darned stable
[05:05] <djbrieck> not long
[05:05] <QiHEWS> linner|home it installs the driver
[05:05] <vader1102> djbrieck, I have been using it for about 2 weeks
[05:05] <djbrieck> just installed about a week
[05:05] <QiHEWS> my rt2500 wlan card for example, needed just insmod rt2500.ko
[05:05] <linner|HOME> QiHEWS: really?
[05:06] <QiHEWS> yeah the proof is that i am here
[05:06] <djbrieck> have not been using it because my wireless card is not up
[05:06] <linner|HOME> QiHEWS: even if the chipset is known not to be supported?
[05:06] <zeus1_> doesnt matter....internet usage is the bane of my reason for using computers...I cant continue to use an OS that doesnt let me get online to get what I need and want
[05:06] <tritium> linner|HOME, no, silly ;)
[05:06] <DonL> djbrieck, that's good. I used mine for a while and had a bunch of stuff in here that I think didn't relate well to the new system. I've pretty much got it back to normal now..
[05:06] <linner|HOME> tritium: I figured so...... but a gal can hope can't she? :)
[05:06] <ngmlinux_> does anyone know where I can find drivers for the logitech quickcam pro 4000 and 5000 models?
[05:06] <P8ntKid> ge=screenshot2ar.png&bgc=0077DD&fgc=BB9999&bor=004499
[05:06] <P8ntKid> ge=screenshot2ar.png&bgc=0077DD&fgc=BB9999&bor=004499
[05:06] <tritium> linner|HOME, sure :)
[05:07] <QiHEWS> linner|home the breezy preview came with the source but the same command is used in the howto for 5.04 to make a rt2500 work
[05:07] <P8ntKid> Ooops, sorry
[05:07] <linner|HOME> QiHEWS: oh okay... well that doesn't pertain to my model... thanks for the info though
[05:07] <djbrieck> But I really like the project
[05:07] <linner|HOME> QiHEWS: hopefully it will help someone else in the channel
[05:07] <ngmlinux_> can i use a debian package in ubuntu?  or do i need a specific ubuntu debian package?
[05:07] <ngmlinux_> can i use a debian package in ubuntu?  or do i need a specific ubuntu debian package?
[05:07] <P8ntKid> http://iamdebom.com/stuff/Screenshot.png Does anybody know what program he used to get that apple like menu thing?
[05:07] <ngmlinux_> does anyone know where I can find drivers for the logitech quickcam pro 4000 and 5000 models?
[05:07] <QiHEWS> linner|home couldn't get more simple =)
[05:07] <TiMiDo> ngmlinux_ stop flooding
[05:07] <djbrieck> and the gnome interface is great
[05:08] <linner|HOME> QiHEWS: yes....... if you have that chipset
[05:08] <TiMiDo> ngmlinux_ and yes u can
[05:08] <linner|HOME> QiHEWS: i have a broadcom... so I'm pretty much SOL
[05:08] <TiMiDo> P8ntKid let me check it
[05:08] <DonL> djbrieck, me too. What I have now is a weird combination of Hoary and Breezy. I'm going to wait a couple weeks and then do another update
[05:08] <linner|HOME> and it's new to boot
[05:08] <linner|HOME> so............
[05:08] <QiHEWS> well linner if i were you i'd just try it out
[05:08] <zeus1_> how make wireless work how make it work  DWL - AG530 not working at all this is bull sheeeaht
[05:08] <TiMiDo> P8ntKid ask the guy of the screen shot
[05:08] <djbrieck> Always tried kde or other stuff like flux box on other distros
[05:08] <mojo> anyone good on logs here?  I have a dvd-rom (pana dvr-105) that comes up sometimes, but other times won't.  want to see what log files say about discovery errors or what not. thx.
[05:09] <ThomasM> Anyone happen to have a .deb for cone?  I'm sick of trying to get it to compile (it was built for gcc-3.2 and I don't have the skills to patch it forward to gcc-4).
[05:09] <mojo> actually it's a dvd burner
[05:09] <TiMiDo> !info cone
[05:09] <TiMiDo> bla
[05:09] <P8ntKid> TiMiDo: It was a post made in the ubuntu forums in the Desktop thread :( I was just browsing through. Idk if ill be able to find his post again
[05:09] <djbrieck> Breezy is still in testing right
[05:09] <QiHEWS> zeus, i just needed to do insmod rt2500.ko and activate the card in network manager..i dont even use encryption cus i set up my router to do mac adress filtering
[05:09] <linner|HOME> wow... this is the most folks in the channel that i've seen yet
[05:09] <linner|HOME> djbrieck: yes
[05:09] <calyth> anyone know what's the name of the applet that sudo in Gnome?
[05:09] <zucchini_folk> you guys where caan i go to test my java to see if i finally got i working
[05:09] <tritium> ngmlinux_, it's not advised to use debian packages on ubuntu, generally
[05:09] <DonL> djbrieck, just a couple weeks left
[05:09] <linner|HOME> djbrieck: but there are VERY close to the final... 10/13
[05:10] <bpasdar> I need help with kmail on breezy -- any experts here tonight
[05:10] <_jason> zucchini_folk:   http://www.bodo.com/javame.htm
[05:10] <zucchini_folk> i dont feel like going therugh the trouble of actually finding a reason
[05:10] <mojo> calyth: maybe gksudo
[05:10] <djbrieck> I'll wait till then probably
[05:10] <zeus1_> qihews its not even giving me a button to add a new connection in the network manager in ubuntu
[05:10] <zeus1_> what kind of BS is that
[05:10] <QiHEWS> zeus that looks bad..put do you have any devices displayed
[05:10] <zucchini_folk> thanks _jason
[05:10] <zeus1_> YES
[05:10] <DonL> zucchini_folk, try the Sun site. Can't remember the exact location of the dancing figure
[05:10] <kurtbec> mojo: /var/log/kern.log
[05:10] <ThomasM> !info cone
[05:11] <_jason> zucchini_folk:  here is the "official" site: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[05:11] <QiHEWS> zeus, is there a module source for your card anywhere
[05:11] <zeus1_> qihews i have the old modem connection displayed but its grayed out...i used it and it worked fine before i moved to a wireless
[05:11] <zeus1_> qihews idk
[05:11] <djbrieck> but this distrib look good to be a windows abanoner on my laptop
[05:11] <mojo> kurtbec: thx. will go seekin
[05:11] <vader1102> zeus1_, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=33958&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=200508
[05:11] <QiHEWS> zeus give it a shot
[05:11] <strat> anyone with problems with java in ubbuntu??have it installed and when i go to..say..yahoo chatrooms java loads and all..i can see other peoples messages in room but if i type  a message it dosent show up in room??any one with problems with java?
[05:11] <zeus1_> i looked
[05:11] <calyth> mojo: thanks
[05:11] <QiHEWS> search wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:11] <mojo> calc: yw
[05:11] <vader1102> zeus1_, that is what I found
[05:12] <zeus1_> k thx ill look at it tommorow
[05:12] <zeus1_> i g2g got school in morning
[05:12] <zeus1_> later
[05:12] <bpasdar> does anyone else have the problem of kmail crashing when trying to send?
[05:12] <strat> java console  shows this error.......XML Parsing Error: no element found
[05:12] <strat> Location: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/mozapps/update/updates.xml
[05:12] <strat> Line Number 1, Column 1:
[05:12] <linner|HOME> strat: please use the pastebin
[05:12] <djbrieck> in other words who needs windows with this os, Wine works as well right...
[05:13] <ngmlinux_> this sucks i thought ubuntu was compatible with debian
[05:13] <TiMiDo> djbrieck cedega will
[05:13] <ngmlinux_> ubuntun can't run #@$#
[05:13] <kwilcox> anybody know the default setting in a nautilus config file so it shows a preview of all of the files if they are text, and uses special icons for most other types of files
[05:13] <linner|HOME> ngmlinux_: it is built BASED on debian
[05:13] <nalioth_zZz> ngmlinux_: source compatible
[05:13] <DonL> djbrieck, I don't even need wine. There are some native programs that work as well or better
[05:13] <tritium> ngmlinux_, it is.  What does debian have that ubuntu doens't, anyway?
[05:13] <ngmlinux_> yeah well there's plenty of software not compatible with it
[05:13] <djbrieck> whats is cedega a future release?
[05:13] <linner|HOME> DonL: I second that...
[05:13] <ngmlinux_> quickcam drivers, djbrieck
[05:14] <DonL> ngmlinux_, I'm happy with Ubuntu. Maybe you'd be happy with Debian
[05:14] <Kris_k> When Using VLC OR Mplayer to play dvd's it plays them all glitchy and slow and messed ???
[05:14] <linner|HOME> ngmlinux_: it's all a matter of preference
[05:14] <strat> is there a java room??
[05:14] <ngmlinux_> no the issue with linux is people don't standardize on one distro
[05:14] <kwilcox> kris_k: video drivers all set up correctly?
[05:14] <ngmlinux_> so you need a whole bunch of distros to run your apps
[05:14] <kurtbec> Kris_k: also check if you have dma turnded on for you dvd player.
[05:14] <nalioth_zZz> strat: probably. what was your question?
[05:15] <tritium> not really, ngmlinux_
[05:15] <kwilcox> ngmlinux_: not really
[05:15] <Kris_k> Kwilcox yes
[05:15] <DonL> ngmlinux_, maybe you have yet to find the distro for you. Keep looking
[05:15] <ngmlinux_> ok than why can't i install a quickcam driver in linux?
[05:15] <ngmlinux_> becuase it only works with debian and redhat
[05:15] <Kris_k> im using the fglrx drivers
[05:15] <ngmlinux_> i have those distros
[05:15] <tritium> ngmlinux_, then grab the debian source, and build it on ubuntu
[05:16] <strat> java is installed and loads..but when i go to yahoo chatrooms..java loads  and i can see there words,,but if i enter something..it dosent show in room..
[05:16] <ngmlinux_> tritium do you know the process for that?
[05:16] <nalioth_zZz> ngmlinux_: it's quite easy
[05:16] <linner|HOME> ngmlinux_: tritium knows all things linux *grin*
[05:16] <tritium> linner|HOME, not even close ;)
[05:17] <tritium> but thanks :)
[05:17] <mahangu_> what are the shortcut keys for 3ddesK?
[05:17] <nalioth_zZz> ngmlinux_: if you add some debian SOURCE repos your your sources.list, apt-get will build it for you
[05:17] <Kris_k> Kwilcox drivers are set up fine using the fglrx ones
[05:17] <linner|HOME> tritium: big a$$ grin :)
[05:17] <tritium> heh
[05:17] <djbrieck> Thanks for the info
[05:17] <ngmlinux_> nalioth_zZz can you walk me through this or will it take so long it's not worth it?
[05:17] <djbrieck> later all
[05:17] <synackuator> help!
[05:17] <josh> Anyone know where I can get VLC 0.8.2-1ubuntu2 for a64?
[05:18] <kwilcox> kris_k: if you steam video from somewhere is the quality ok?
[05:18] <strat> are there any websites that can test your java..to see if it works properly..??been to a few that just tell if you have it installed or not..
[05:18] <renedox> Josh43: synaptic?
[05:18] <nalioth_zZz> ngmlinux_: add some debian SOURCE repos (the lines in the sources.list starting with deb-src) and use apt-get to build whatever you like
[05:18] <_maydayjay_> anyone successfully compiled acerhk on Breezy?
[05:18] <xantho> what install LibMesa with Ubuntu?
[05:18] <Quinthius> how can i see my library path being used? LD_LIBRARY_PATH doesn't seem to be set...
[05:18] <Kris_k> kwilcox like from a website ?
[05:18] <Slyckevogod> SUSE Linux 10 is out.
[05:18] <kwilcox> kris_k: sure
[05:18] <Kris_k> kwilcox let me try
[05:18] <Josh43> renedox: Nope :( Just 0.8.1, which is not installable due to a bug
[05:18] <bpasdar> Does anyone have experience with kmail crashing sig 11 while sending?
[05:18] <mahangu_> how can i bind a key to /usr/bin/3ddesk?
[05:19] <ngmlinux_> nalioth_zZz there's no repo for these drivers
[05:19] <vader1102> Slyckevogod, it is and the wireless is broke in it
[05:19] <synackuator> how would one reset gnome to defaults via console?
[05:19] <ngmlinux_> nalioth_zZz you have to be a rocket scientist to install this crap
[05:19] <nalioth_zZz> ngmlinux_: then where do they come from?
[05:19] <ngmlinux_> nalioth_zZz http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/debian/
[05:19] <kevogod> vader1102, How so?
[05:19] <mahangu_> binding keys anyone?
[05:20] <Quinthius> mahangu_: sec...
[05:20] <DonL> This is the way I see it : The cost of using Gnu/Linux is offset by the possibility you will have to learn something. By learning something you're getting a free education into a field you are interested in. Seem like a win-win situation to me.
[05:20] <Amaranth> cafuego: ubotu says libosgcalc2 doesn't exist in breezy, http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/libs/libosgcalc2 disagrees
[05:20] <vader1102> well, I runb a dwl-g650 card which in 9.2 and 9.3 is auto detected and in 10 isn't along with a lot of others
[05:20] <Josh43> Ok, alternate question; if I dounload the source of vlc and compile it, is there a major difference between that and "0.8.2-1ubuntu2" - ie: is there a real reason the version number includes "ubuntu"?
[05:20] <Quinthius> mahangu_: applications -> system tools -> configuration editor
[05:20] <tritium> !info pwc-source breezy
[05:20] <Kris_k> kwilcox what can i stream that i have a plugin for ?
[05:20] <ubotu> pwc-source: (Philips webcam pwc driver), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 10.0.7-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 73 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[05:20] <tritium> ngmlinux_, ^^^
[05:21] <Quinthius> mahangu_: and then apps -> metacity -> keybinding_commands. set your command there, and then go to apps->metacity->global_keybindings and set a key to the corresponding command number
[05:21] <Josh43> DonL; nicely put
[05:21] <tritium> ngmlinux_, your pwc drivers are in breezy
[05:21] <dsfas> Hello
[05:21] <ngmlinux_> they are?
[05:21] <synackuator> sorry I got disconnected, does anyone know how to reset gnome to defaults via console?
[05:21] <dsfas> I need help
[05:21] <ngmlinux_> let me check
[05:21] <tritium> ngmlinux_, scroll up
[05:21] <kurtbec> Kris_k: can you play aa local video file without issue?
[05:21] <vader1102> night all...time for this 'ol boy to go to bed abd try to get some sleep......had 2 gours of sleep the last 2 days
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> synackuator,  could delete/rename/move the .gnome* dirs
[05:21] <Amaranth> cafuego: Nevermind, appearently I got the argument order wrong.
[05:21] <Ruffles> hi. has anyone here noticed a bug in gaim? it closes suddenly while in use...
[05:21] <TiMiDo> dsfas ask
[05:21] <ngmlinux_> tritium should i be checking in synaptic for this stuff?
[05:21] <zack_> my only problem with linux is ATI drivers
[05:21] <dsfas> I need a program that can retrieve raw php files off a server.
[05:21] <kwilcox> kris_k:any MLB (baseball site) has streaming video
[05:22] <TiMiDo> dsfas you meen ftp client?
[05:22] <kurtbec> Ruffles: use gaim all day long with no problems using breezy
[05:22] <dsfas> I know this is the complete wrong channel, but the only php channel has a total of four people in it
[05:22] <zack_> but thats the people at ati to blame
[05:22] <tritium> ngmlinux_, scroll up, and you'll see the info I had ubotu paste
[05:22] <synackuator> Dr_Willis: i think it may just be my panel (goes crazy at login), do you know if I can just reset the panel?
[05:22] <DonL> I'm off for the night. See you people later.
[05:22] <bob832> hello, i install unbuntu on a laptop, if i wanted too see if the cpu throttling apci scrpit was working for when the battary was unpluged, how could i go about doing so?
[05:22] <Quinthius> mahangu_: for example: apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command1 = "/usr/bin/3ddesk", apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_1 = "<Control><Alt>F1" or whatever
[05:22] <ngmlinux_> nice it's already installed
[05:22] <ngmlinux_> thanks tritium
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> synackuator,  no clue there.. look in thoese dirs.. delete what seems to e panel configs - would be the logical step
[05:22] <tritium> sure, ngmlinux_ :)
[05:22] <Ruffles> kurtbec: well.. mine has a weird bug, i'm using warty by the way
[05:22] <dsfas> no, a non-ftp client that can retrieve the raw files. Like if my friend has a website where the goal is to break in
[05:22] <ngmlinux_> now i need to get the camera
[05:22] <Ruffles> bslima: ol brasileiro
[05:22] <Kris_k> kwilcox i dont have quicktime or wmp or realplayer tho lol
[05:22] <dsfas> One objective would be to get one of the php files.
[05:23] <bslima> ol
[05:23] <kurtbec> Ruffles: what version of gaim is in warty?
[05:23] <bslima> :)
[05:23] <CarlFK> dsfas - " break in" <> a program
[05:23] <mahangu_> Quinthius, didn't get that but nvm, 3ddesk is kind aresource heavy anbyway
[05:23] <nalioth_zZz> ngmlinux_: add this deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable main contrib non-free
[05:23] <Ruffles> kurtbec: 1.1.4
[05:23] <winner> a new version of naim is out; where can i get it?
[05:23] <bslima> Ruffles, permitido falar portugues por aqui ?
[05:23] <zucchini_folk> i am sads
[05:23] <Ruffles> bslima: acho que no
[05:23] <nalioth_zZz> bslima: in #ubuntu-pt
[05:23] <tritium> !pt
[05:23] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[05:23] <zucchini_folk> i do not have appelet funcctionality
[05:23] <Answer> Does anyone know how much diskspace for *every* package in synaptic?
[05:23] <nalioth_zZz> tritium: slow
[05:23] <tritium> eh, bite me ;)
[05:23] <bslima> flws
[05:24] <winner> anyone??
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Answer: what you mean you want to download everything in there?
[05:24] <dsfas> CarlFK: a program called "Break In" will get the raw php files for me? Note: I'm on a windows box
[05:24] <kwilcox> anybody know the default installation path for openoffice2
[05:24] <Answer> Hobbsee: Did I stutter? hehe
[05:24] <CarlFK> jeez.
[05:24] <CarlFK> no.
[05:24] <dsfas> lol ok
[05:24] <tritium> kwilcox, use dpkg -L <packagename> to find the files in a package
[05:24] <zucchini_folk> apt-get update is the only comand i jnow by heart
[05:24] <Ruffles> kurtbec: it seems that this version is not the actual version for gaim, i've heard about gaim 1.5 and ubuntu's 1.1.4
[05:24] <synackuator> quick command to rename single file?
[05:25] <Answer> synackuator:  man mv
[05:25] <mojo> calc: yw
[05:25] <kurtbec> Ruffles: breezy has 1.5 but I didn't see a newer version for hoary
[05:25] <Answer> Does anyone know how much diskspace for *every* package in synaptic?  I want to do a "complete" install
[05:25] <winner> ok ok
[05:25] <Ruffles> kurtbec: ops.. i've said warty but i'm using hoary
[05:25] <Ruffles> actually
[05:25] <winner> anyone know how i can "upgrade" from hoary to breezy
[05:25] <nalioth_zZz> winner: see /topic
[05:25] <Hobbsee> !upgrade2breezy
[05:25] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[05:25] <tritium> Answer, you can't even do that.  Some packages conflict with others.  And you don't want all 17,000 anyway
[05:25] <winner> nice
[05:25] <winner> thanks
[05:25] <kwilcox> tritium: you know openoffice's package name 8)
[05:25] <Quinthius> Answer: umm i don't think that's advisable...
[05:25] <nalioth_zZz> Hobbsee: see /topic
[05:25] <Josh43> Answer: "complete" is not the right term.. monumentally cluttered is a better one ;)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ah, that is up the top, didnt notice it
[05:26] <tritium> kwilcox, dpkg -l | grep openoffice.org to find the ones you have installed ;)
[05:26] <Ruffles> kurtbec: i'm lookin' forward for an update to breezy but i rather wait for it to be all done instead of updating mine stable release to testing
[05:26] <linner|HOME> what does this mean:  Answer too slow !upgrade2breezy
[05:26] <linner|HOME> i just saw that below winner's "thanks" remark
[05:26] <Josh43> tritium; could he maybe just download all the debs and source?
[05:26] <nalioth_zZz> where is ngmlinux_
[05:26] <Answer> OK.  So what is the biggest ubuntu installation anyone has successfully ran? (in diskspace or packages)
[05:26] <pw-> is there a program that will let me assign free space on my hard drive to a given partition?
[05:27] <tritium> Josh43, I guess...but not sure why
[05:27] <Quinthius> linner|HOME: it means Answer typed /me too slow !upgrade2breezy
[05:27] <pw-> partition magic in windows doesn't want to assign this free space for whatever reason..
[05:27] <Hendric> woah!!!
[05:27] <Hobbsee> pw-:gparted
[05:27] <Josh43> tritium: I dunno.. but it's as close as he's getting
[05:27] <linner|HOME> oh oh oh that's someone's name... sorry
[05:27] <pw-> thank you
[05:27] <kurtbec> Ruffles: understandable indeed.  I just tried kubuntu this week which has been my first try with a Debian based distro.  Breezy has been pretty good though so far.
[05:27] <sportman> hey
[05:27] <Answer> linner|HOME:  Hobbsee beat me to the answer, which was !upgrade2breezy
[05:27] <winner> damn im going to upgrade RIGHT NOW.
[05:27] <Hendric> anyone here knows how to remove "update-notifier" from starting up???
[05:27] <Josh43> Answer: That's going to be answered in terabytes
[05:27] <sportman> anyone know where i could find a place where mac osx coders talk
[05:27] <sportman> ive been looking on freenode
[05:27] <sportman> and efnet
[05:27] <Answer> Josh43: OK... I can multiply by 1024
[05:28] <nalioth_zZz> Answer: i beat you both with "see /topic"
[05:28] <Answer> I got beat by someone who is azzzleep
[05:28] <Ruffles> kurtbec: yep! truth! i used to run slackware some time ago but now i've tried debian sarge then ubuntu hoary i don't wanna get back to slack anymore
[05:28] <Josh43> Answer: Uhm, like, you have a peta+byte system?
[05:28] <grayman> sportman, i think that they dont talk
[05:29] <nalioth_zZz> i have an answer for ngmlinux_ whenever they come back
[05:29] <sportman> they have to
[05:29] <sportman> somewhere
[05:29] <Ruffles> kurtbec: apt-get is just fantastic
[05:29] <sportman> i mean then who is running the darwine project
[05:29] <sportman> and etc
[05:29] <grayman> erm. and what made you think that you can find the answer in a linux room?
[05:29] <tritium> nalioth_zZz, I gave him the pwc-source package, and he seemed happy
[05:29] <mojo> kurtbec: i think i may have a lead.  I get this every boot.  Now trying to go back 'till I find one where it worked...
[05:29] <Ruffles> kurtbec: now i'm trying to install ubuntu on 20 machines at my university's laboratory
[05:29] <mojo> Oct  4 16:40:54 localhost kernel: Probing IDE interface ide1...
[05:29] <mojo> Oct  4 16:40:54 localhost kernel: ide1: Wait for ready failed before probe !
[05:29] <sportman> lol
[05:29] <sportman> pl talk in here grayman
[05:29] <sportman> *ppl
[05:29] <tritium> mojo, don't paste please, or I'll take your mojo away
[05:29] <Ruffles> kurtbec: there's a knoppix based distro installed there
[05:29] <nalioth_zZz> tritium: i can give him a ubuntu deb
[05:29] <sportman> so i figured worth a shot
[05:29] <Answer> mojo: bad harddrive
[05:29] <mojo> kurtbec: thks again
[05:29] <Kris_k> kwilcox i dont have anyplayers to stream stuff in lol
[05:30] <grayman> erm
[05:30] <tritium> nalioth_zZz, it was an ubuntu source .deb
[05:30] <mojo> bad phys.?  it works usu. on  a cold boot.
[05:30] <Ruffles> kurtbec: and it has kde as default window manager but i don't like it at all
[05:30] <grayman> you can google sportman
[05:30] <nalioth_zZz> tritium: i've got the src repo
[05:30] <mojo> tritium: i usu don't but it was small
[05:30] <kurtbec> mojo: no problem.  good luck
[05:30] <Answer> mojo: cold boot?  ide1 I think is referring to a harddrive
[05:30] <tritium> mojo, cool
[05:30] <kurtbec> mojo:  post if you have any more problems
[05:31] <nalioth_zZz> what is pwc mangler anyway?
[05:31] <kurtbec> Ruffles: so far I really like the desktop that kubuntu presents by default.
[05:31] <Josh43> Hrm.. quick Q: if I want to be able to compile just about anythinhg, can I install all the headers and libs without having to change anything else?
[05:31] <Ruffles> kurtbec: i'll try its liveCD then
[05:31] <mojo> tristanmike: right on.  Answer: Ide1 is the inft. on mobo to the cd-rom drives.  ide0 is the two ata hdd's.  Other hdd is SATA
[05:31] <mojo> Answer: The drive is a Panasonic dvr-105 if I remember the model no. correct.
[05:31] <Ruffles> kurtbec: the guy who works on the laboratory doesn't like gnome, he's a kde fan, i'll show him kubuntu then
[05:32] <tritium> Josh43, you'll want to install build-essential if you plan on compiling
[05:32] <nalioth_zZz> tritium: i like have source repos so dependencies can be satisfied
[05:32] <mojo> kurtbec: cool
[05:32] <kurtbec> Ruffles: apt-get is pretty good.  I'm still working on getting used to all the different commands.  I've been a hardcore gentoo user the last couple of years and I really like gentoo's portage but just got tired of compiling
[05:32] <Answer> exit
[05:32] <Quinthius> anyone know how to view my library load path?   I would like to see how a source distro would run on my amd64
[05:33] <Ruffles> kurtbec: so far i've seen some awesome gentoo screenshots though
[05:33] <mojo> but i like ((ubuntu))
[05:34] <kurtbec> Ruffles: Gentoo is a great distro to learn on and is a customizers dream distro.  if you like everything customized Gentoo is awesome.
[05:34] <tritium> apt-get source, for those who miss gentoo
[05:34] <Josh43> tritium: that's a better answer than I was even hoping :) Ubuntu is better and better all the time
[05:34] <calc> mojo: ?
[05:34] <tritium> Josh43, glad to hear it :)
[05:34] <mojo> calc: huh?
[05:34] <Kris_k> kwilcox Streaming Video Plays Fine
[05:34] <calc> mojo: you said "calc: yw"
[05:34] <Ruffles> kurtbec: i do but i have neither time nor patience to compile everything, even knowledge
[05:34] <calc> mojo: guess you typod for someone else
[05:35] <Ruffles> kurtbec: i've heard about some stage3 stuff
[05:35] <seth_k|lappy> Does anybody have a working Alps touchpad scroll on Breezy at this point?
[05:35] <kurtbec> i just like rpm and emerge from the stand point that you can most things with the one command where with ubuntu I have dpkg apt-get apt-cache....
[05:35] <ColonelKernel> tritium, are you kidding me?!?! thats fantastic
[05:35] <mojo> calc: oh, i said you're welcome (yw) to you saying thanks a looooong time back, LOL
[05:35] <seth_k|lappy> my tap and touchpad work, but not scrolling
[05:35] <tritium> ColonelKernel, what is?
[05:35] <calc> mojo: oh ok :)
[05:35] <Ruffles> kurtbec: which is easier to get gentoo installed with
[05:35] <ColonelKernel> that you can get packages in source instead of binary
[05:35] <tritium> ColonelKernel, :)
[05:35] <mojo> calc: np (no problem).  sry 4 the berevity ;)
[05:35] <kurtbec> Ruffles: stage 3 gets you there much faster.
[05:35] <ColonelKernel> now if I can figure out how to set GCC options Im set
[05:35] <Ruffles> kurtbec: but... do you still need to compile it?
[05:36] <tritium> ColonelKernel, one of the reasons backports are fairly easy to build
[05:36] <calc> i managed to charge my laptop battery enough to upgrade to current breezy :)
[05:36] <nalioth_zZz> ColonelKernel: apt-get is quite wonderful
[05:36] <calc> now i just have to wait for my replacement ac adapter to actually use it
[05:36] <Ruffles> kurtbec: i have an impression about these compiling.. it has no uninstall and seems that it gets linux bigger and bigger
[05:36] <kurtbec> Ruffles: usually there is a cd with binaries that you can use for initial load which makes that pretty much painless, but to keep up to date with security patches you'll have to compile.
[05:36] <ColonelKernel> tritium, any idea how I can set gcc options for my system?
[05:36] <nalioth_zZz> Ruffles: no no, use 'checkinstall'
[05:36] <nalioth_zZz> ubotu: tell Ruffles about checkinstall
[05:37] <Ruffles> nalioth_zZz: what's it?
[05:37] <Kris_k> When Using VLC OR Mplayer to play dvd's it plays them all glitchy and slow and messed ??? Also When i steam video it plays back fine
[05:37] <misfit_toy> anybody else have amarok hosed up after the latest update?
[05:37] <kurtbec> Ruffles: well, thats where gentoo's portage system kicks and makes managing source compiled packages very easy.
[05:37] <nalioth_zZz> Ruffles: it is used instead of "make install"
[05:37] <nalioth_zZz> Ruffles: it makes debs  (for easy system maintenance)
[05:37] <Ruffles> ahhhhh
[05:37] <Ruffles> got it
[05:37] <Ruffles> thanks :D
[05:37] <tritium> ColonelKernel, not off hand.  I'll look into it
[05:37] <calc> Kris_k: maybe need to enable dma on your dvd drive
[05:37] <Kris_k> i did that
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> double check it Kris_k
[05:38] <Kris_k> how
[05:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> can someone tell me how to update a single particular package from an old version to a new one?
[05:38] <Ruffles> nalioth_zZz: sounds interesting
[05:38] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, is the new version in the repositories?
[05:38] <calc> Kris_k: just run hdparm /dev/device as root
[05:39] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium, no but i have the deb package
[05:39] <Kris_k> using_dma    =  1 (on)
[05:39] <calc> hmm that should be working then
[05:39] <nalioth_zZz> Ruffles: it is very nice for system maintenance
[05:39] <Ruffles> do you guys know if breezy will come with support for non-free media such as mp3, wma, divx etc ?
[05:39] <kurtbec> Kris_k: have you tried playing the dvd with xine?
[05:39] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, where did you get it?
[05:39] <nalioth_zZz> Ruffles: it dont make debian standard debs, but for your own use it's great
[05:39] <bimberi> Ruffles: not out of the box
[05:39] <Kris_k> xine ?
[05:39] <Laforge> Ok i downloaded ssh, now how do i set it up to be able to remode desktop connect from another comp?
[05:39] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium, from the software programmers site
[05:40] <Damienk> can Ubuntu be installed on a 4GB CF card? if so, how can I get it onto there?
[05:40] <kurtbec> Kris_k: xine is just another popular multimedia player.
[05:40] <ColonelKernel> tritium, maybe export GCC="-mfoo -mfoo -mfoo" ?
[05:40] <calc> Ruffles: those are non-free in the illegal to distribute manner
[05:40] <Josh43> Ruffles: a) they want to get away from non-free formats, b) It's quasi-legal
[05:40] <Ruffles> oh
[05:40] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, I see.  Well, dpkg -i foo.deb will install
[05:40] <Kris_k> is xine for amarok ?
[05:40] <tritium> ColonelKernel, that's at least one way
[05:41] <calc> Ruffles: though you can install totem-xine from universe which will play back most of it
[05:41] <Ruffles> so is it illegal to create a distro supporting such media formats?
[05:41] <kwilcox> laforge
[05:41] <calc> Ruffles: yes
[05:41] <kurtbec> Kris_k: no xine is a program itsefl
[05:41] <woodwizzle> I'm running breezy with beagle. How do I turn live-queries on?
[05:41] <calc> Ruffles: they are all patented and the dists aren't paying per user for them
[05:41] <kwilcox> laforge: you dont need ssh to set up a remote desktop connection, i recoment using tightVNC
[05:41] <Ruffles> ohh i see
[05:41] <MadpilotPPC> Ruffles, you'd need to pay the owners of those patents - like Linspire does, I guess
[05:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium,  ok but i should say that it says my dependent files need to be upgraded...will that auto upgrade them too?
[05:41] <vitriol> how do i use hibernate?
[05:41] <vitriol> is there a command to type?
[05:42] <Ruffles> well.. what about slax (slackware based distro) which has support for everything nativelly?
[05:42] <Laforge> kwilcox ok i will try it
[05:42] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, no, dpkg does not grab dependencies automatically.  apt does
[05:42] <Pickle_Weasel> i am trying to resize my ext3 partition, but for some reason it won't allow me to do so, anyone have any experience in this area?
[05:42] <kwilcox> anyone know how to reset icons to be application controlled? updating to breezy messed all my icons up
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> Pickle_Weasel,  resize it with what?
[05:42] <calc> Ruffles: they aren't doing it legally
[05:42] <Pickle_Weasel> gparted, before this, partition magic
[05:42] <MadpilotPPC> Ruffles, either they're paying money, or the lawyers just haven't caught up to them yet, I guess...
[05:43] <Pickle_Weasel> neither one lets me, i don't know why
[05:43] <Ruffles> ohhh
[05:43] <bimberi> vitriol: not sure about a command but it's an option on the logout dialog (System menu)
[05:43] <Ruffles> someone must tell 'em
[05:43] <calc> Ruffles: just like people pirate stuff off p2p networks, they can physically do it, but that doesn't make it legal ;)
[05:43] <Ruffles> lol
[05:43] <Hendric> my ubuntu clock is just super wrong.... it is correct in BIOS.. but so wrong even if i chose the right timezone.
[05:43] <vitriol> bimberi: ahhh ok
[05:43] <vitriol> bimberi: thanks for the tip
[05:43] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium, well that the problem for me the files are files that are already installed just there too old of versions i guess
[05:43] <calc> Ruffles: however patents are sort of grey really
[05:43] <bimberi> vitriol: yw :)
[05:43] <tritium> Hendric, do you dual-boot?  Did you set it up to use UTC?
[05:44] <Hendric> tritium, no dual boot... i don't know if its UTC
[05:44] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, that's part of the problem with using non-official stuff
[05:44] <cdy> hello!
[05:44] <calc> Ruffles: aiui a patent isn't really verified to be valid until its been enforced which means a company trying to sue over it
[05:44] <mahangu_> anyway firefox can 'save' my open tabs and re-open them the next time i load it up?
[05:44] <tritium> Hendric, oh, not the answer I expected...
[05:44] <MadpilotPPC> Ruffles, Ubuntu is too high-profile to escape the lawyer's notice... smaller distros can probably get away with it...
[05:44] <Laforge> kwilcox how do i set up VNC?
[05:44] <Pickle_Weasel> does anyone have any experience in resizing partitions? =\
[05:44] <Ruffles> ohhh about clock, i have another question, can't keep my clock in the right time.. it changes everytime i restart system, is it about bios battery?
[05:44] <calc> Ruffles: so most people doing open source really don't feel like going to court to see if the patent will stand up
[05:44] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium, ya but some of the official stuff doesnt work right...a double edged sword
[05:44] <cdy> ?
[05:44] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, like what?
[05:45] <Sonny_Wertzik> gdesklets
[05:45] <MadpilotPPC> mahangu_, I think there is a session-saving plugin for FF; Opera will do that natively...
[05:45] <calc> Ruffles: many patents wouldn't stand up to scrutiny but that doesn't mean it wouldn't cost money to take it to court ;)
[05:45] <dmlinux> hey guys , how do i install a Gdesklet?
[05:45] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium, gdesklets
[05:45] <poyie> how to change icon in kubuntu?
[05:45] <Hendric> tritium, oh well it uses UTC... default
[05:45] <Ruffles> good point calc
[05:45] <Laforge> Anyone know how to set up tightVNC?
[05:45] <kwilcox> laforge: ubuntu comes with a Terminal Server Client which supports VNC... will you be connecting to your ubuntu box or anothing
[05:45] <Laforge> nvm
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> poyie,  icon for what?
[05:45] <Hendric> tritium, how can i correct this? the sync option won't help eithe
[05:45] <Hendric> *either
[05:46] <poyie> change icon i mean
[05:46] <tritium> Hendric, resetting the time doesn't fix it?
[05:46] <Laforge> kwilcox: i will only be connecting to my ubuntu box form another computer
[05:46] <poyie> change icon on a desktop
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> poyie,  right click, select its properties and look in there
[05:46] <mahangu_> MadpilotPPC, opera, can i apt-get it?
[05:46] <kwilcox> laforge: install tightVNC on the other computer (www.tightvnc.com) Just the viewer is fine
[05:46] <poyie> nothing option fo change icon
[05:47] <Hendric> tritium, it doesn't...
[05:47] <MadpilotPPC> mahangu_, no. But www.opera.com/download - there's a Ubuntu .deb file
[05:47] <maximaus> mahangu_, there's a .deb on the Opera sit
[05:47] <maximaus> e
[05:47] <MadpilotPPC> !tell mahangu_ about opera
[05:47] <poyie> ok i got it
[05:47] <tritium> Hendric, what happens when you sync to an ntp server?
[05:47] <Laforge> kwilcox, so i want viewer excutable?
[05:47] <kwilcox> yeah
[05:47] <Hendric> tritium, gives me the very wrong time
[05:47] <tritium> Hendric, is your timezone set properly?
[05:47] <Ruffles> well.. i'm leaving for now, thanks everybody
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> i had to get the opera static build  package - to get it working under 5.10
[05:48] <Hendric> tritium, it is... very much exact timezone...
[05:48] <Sonny_Wertzik> gdesklets .34 makes my computer stutter ever 2 seconds---only noticable when looking at screensaver or playing ureal tourney
[05:48] <Ruffles> kurtbec calc MadpilotPPC Josh43 nalioth_zZz bimberi
[05:48] <tritium> Hendric, no idea then
[05:48] <Hendric> tritium, oh, i got a work around... set my time to a wrong time till i get the right time on ubuntu
[05:48] <tritium> ok
[05:48] <Hendric> tritium, which is LOL
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> Sonny_Wertzik,  ive heard some bad things about gdesklets. :(
[05:48] <Laforge> kwilcox, do i have to setup anything on the ubuntu box?
[05:49] <MadpilotPPC> Ruffles, np, have fun...
[05:49] <tritium> Hendric, well, it works, right?  ;)
[05:49] <Ruffles> now i'll go to ubuntu-br to speak my own language :D
[05:49] <Ruffles> bye
[05:49] <medy> m
[05:49] <Sonny_Wertzik> Dr_Willis, ya some of them work and others can be fixed but i need to try a different version to find out whats going on
[05:49] <kurtbec> Ruffles: later man
[05:49] <kwilcox> laforge: yeah, do a sudo apt-get install tightvncserver
[05:49] <Ruffles> kurtbec: cya bro
[05:49] <os2mac> is opera in the Universe?
[05:49] <Hendric> tritium, indeed... but i got the wrong bios time.. lolx
[05:49] <woodwizzle> how do you turn on inotify in breezy?
[05:50] <graig> my clock always messes up too.
[05:50] <tritium> Hendric, we'll try to sort it out soon.
[05:50] <MadpilotPPC> os2mac, no, but there's a Ubuntu deb, it's an easy install
[05:50] <MadpilotPPC> !tell os2mac about opera
[05:50] <kwilcox> laforge: you'll have to set up a password for your box in the tightvnc configs, then in the other box just type in your IP and you should be able to connect... if you go through a router you will have to forward the VNC port to the ubuntu box
[05:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> Why are the lastest versions of packages not on the ubuntu repos?   some are like 5 versions behind
[05:51] <Hendric> till now i'm still amazed on how linux-686 boosted my AMD sempron setup which is unbearably slow on 386 kernel...
[05:51] <mahangu_> Sonny_Wertzik, still on hoary>
[05:51] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, because only security fixes go into a stable release
[05:51] <mahangu_> ?
[05:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> manhangu...................ya
[05:51] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, if you want something more recent, run the development release
[05:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium,  cant find one on repos..they are way behind
[05:52] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, I just explained why.
[05:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium, ya but i dont care about security hehe
[05:52] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, so run the development release
[05:53] <jim> Hi, I got a question concerning version comparison to debian... specifically the installer, the dhcp client used and the 2.6 kernel installed by hoary
[05:53] <Rev-Marc> does Ubuntu support ndiswrapper and if so how do I use it?
[05:53] <tritium> yes, Rev-Marc
[05:53] <MadpilotPPC> what's really frustrating is that a couple of things aren't being updated for Breezy, even though there are newer versions out, and even newer versions packaged for Debian... Screem is the one I've noticed...
[05:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium, there is no dev release
[05:53] <tritium> !ndiswrapper
[05:53] <ubotu> I heard ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wirless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> Rev-Marc,  yes.. theres a ubuntu ndiswrapper wiki entry.
[05:53] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, uh, it's called Breezy Badger
[05:53] <nalioth_zZz> Sonny_Wertzik: in 2 weeks, there will be
[05:53] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, and when Breezy is stable, there will be Dapper Drake
[05:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium, ahhhhh ok i see now
[05:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> tritium,  what is dapper drake?
[05:54] <Rev-Marc> I am tring to get my built in wireless adaptor to work (BCM4306)
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> and slap them.
[05:54] <nalioth_zZz> Sonny_Wertzik: the next version of ubuntu
[05:54] <graig> so with debian sarge,  do they release new versions when new stable versions come out?
[05:54] <Rev-Marc> what is a wiki entry?
[05:54] <kevogod> The next version after Breezy Badger, of course.
[05:54] <tritium> Sonny_Wertzik, it will be the development release while Breezy is the stable release.  it will be stable on April 2006
[05:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> nalioth_zZz,  whoa u guyz are way ahead of the game hehe
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> at least Dapper Drake dosent sound like a  "Bean Eating Badger" :P
[05:54] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: You have a problem with Ubuntu 5.10 and Ubuntu 6.04?
[05:55] <gigaclon> GAIM keeps crashing on me
[05:55] <jmg> anyone have any suggestions for a thin client distro i can install to hard disk from cd??
[05:55] <gigaclon> Ubuntu?
[05:55] <kwilcox> jmg: ubuntu
[05:55] <gigaclon> :)
[05:55] <Sonny_Wertzik> meanwhile are there any other widget like gdesklets?
[05:55] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: Those are development code names, not official release names.
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> Amaranth,  im sick of having to explain to these new people i am giving Ubuntu cd's to - about the 'cute' naming schemes :P it sort of turns off the church group  to trying it.
[05:55] <MadpilotPPC> Dr_Willis, Mark Shuttleworth names them, I gather, and he's the one with all the money...
[05:56] <nalioth_zZz> Sonny_Wertzik: superkaramba and adesklets
[05:56] <mojo> Rev-Marc: wikki's are collaborative web-pages.  you can usually edit what you see there if you register and log in with the site running the wikki.  wikki wikki web pages take their name from a hawaiian word for fast
[05:56] <tritium> jmg, edubuntu has thin client support
[05:56] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: breezy badger is the code name for what will be Ubuntu 5.10
[05:56] <Laforge> kwilcox: can't find tightvncserver package
[05:56] <kevogod> "Hoary" was not the best adjective to use.
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> Amaranth,  yes.. i am aware of whats named what..  :P
[05:56] <jmg> ubuntu is like 700 mb
[05:56] <Sonny_Wertzik> nalioth_zZz, super karamba...can i run that in gnome?
[05:56] <gigaclon> Dr_Willis, just call it Hoary or 5.04
[05:56] <kevogod> Mainly because of how it sounds...
[05:56] <jim> so, for the ubuntu side, what does the hoary installer boot for 2.6 kernel (which version) and could I get a copy of the config file?
[05:56] <nalioth_zZz> Sonny_Wertzik: yes you can
[05:56] <MadpilotPPC> !tell kevogod about hoary
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> gigaclon,  i call it by the ##
[05:56] <kwilcox> laforge: it is in the Breezy default packages
[05:56] <MadpilotPPC> ;)
[05:56] <mojo> Rev-Marc: You usu. see wikki pages for gathering info together as a community resource
[05:57] <Rev-Marc> thank you where would I find one on ndiswrapper?
[05:57] <randomc0de> how do I set gnome to use sawfish instead of metacity?
[05:57] <kwilcox> laforge: it is in the univeral repository, make sure you have that
[05:57] <Sonny_Wertzik> nalioth_zZz, Kool ...thx.....is it worth it...are they good?
[05:57] <kevogod> MadpilotPPC, Yes, but that still does not change what it sounds like. :-)
[05:57] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: So don't tell them you're giving them "Ubuntu Breezy Badger", tell them you're giving them "Ubuntu 5.10". I don't see a problem with fun codenames.
[05:57] <MadpilotPPC> Rev-Marc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[05:57] <nalioth_zZz> Sonny_Wertzik: visit the websites of each and see what you think
[05:57] <fmasi> what should be the permitions of /var/www i change it by mistake
[05:57] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: Windows Longhorn, Windows Whistler, etc
[05:57] <MadpilotPPC> kevogod, only if you're not well read, then 'hoary' is a problem... ;) </literary snob>
[05:58] <Rev-Marc> MadpilotPPC thank you very much :)
[05:58] <Sonny_Wertzik> nalioth_zZz, hehe yes i will..i got excited and forget heh
[05:58] <MadpilotPPC> !tell Rev-Marc about docs
[05:58] <mojo> kurtbec: i thkn my dvdrw prob where it won't recognize may be a bios setting, after goggling on that log error. thx again, TTFN!
[05:58] <jim> you should use punctuation if you don't use punctuation you can't tell when one sentence ends another begins and ends here see you can't tell this looks really strange right
[05:58] <kevogod> MadpilotPPC, OK, you keep telling yourself that.
[05:58] <kurtbec> mojo: good deal.  good luck
[05:58] <randomc0de> anyone know how to setup gnome to use sawfish instead of metacity?
[05:59] <MadpilotPPC> kevogod, heh, I will. :)  but you're right, Breezy is less likely to be misunderstood...
[05:59] <jim> I guess you just install the package :)
[05:59] <mahangu_> in super tux, how do you throw things?
[05:59] <kevogod> MadpilotPPC, Most definitely :-)
[05:59] <graig> k. i don't know how different distros do releases.  i know how ubuntu works.  where you only get security updates not new releases on ubuntu.   is that the way all distro's work?  are there any stable distros that add new software when it gets released?
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> I envision a Bean Eating Badger as the Mascot.
[05:59] <ColonelKernel> ok im in ubuntu now
[05:59] <ColonelKernel> im trying to set up my gcc options
[06:00] <kevogod> And the Badger is the state animal in my state.
[06:00] <kevogod> So @#$% yea!
[06:00] <Laforge> kwilcox ok found it, do i have to kill gnome to see it or terminal command?
[06:00] <bimberi> fmasi: my /var/www is drwxr-x-r-x root root
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> badger dance -->  http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[06:00] <fmasi> bimberi thx
[06:01] <bimberi> fmasi: yw :)
[06:01] <jim> bimberi: that way if some goof breaks in as www-data they can't do things like remove the whole dir
[06:01] <tritium> nalioth_zZz dressed up as a badger once: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=761  :-)
[06:01] <kwilcox> laforge: type tightvncserver at a prompt to get up a password and start the server
[06:01] <bimberi> jim: i guess so :)
[06:01] <ColonelKernel> tritium, shoudl use export gcc="-foo" or export GCC="-foo" or what?
[06:02] <rjordan> Has anyone else had problems playing ASF/WM files in totem/mplayer?
[06:02] <nalioth_zZz> ColonelKernel: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-2.95
[06:02] <stefano> heeelllpppp i am new in ubuntun and i can't listen mp3
[06:02] <tritium> nalioth_zZz, he wants to configure gcc options, though
[06:02] <ColonelKernel> nalioth_zZz, ? im using gcc 3.4
[06:02] <Omnica> heya anyone here have a sec?
[06:02] <nalioth_zZz> ColonelKernel: so put gcc-3.4
[06:03] <ColonelKernel> nalioth_zZz, im trying to set the gcc options
[06:03] <haslguitar> i'm trying to install Half Life 2 on linux with wine.  Has anyone ever done this before?  it says to insert disc two, but i can't unmount the first disc to put in the second one.  How can i force an unmount? i've already tried umount -f /media/cdrom
[06:03] <tritium> ColonelKernel, I'll be back later...
[06:03] <nalioth_zZz> ColonelKernel: i'm lost
[06:03] <jim> so, for the ubuntu side, what does the hoary installer boot for 2.6 kernel (which version) and could I get a copy of the config file?
[06:03] <ColonelKernel> thanks tritium
[06:03] <Omnica> haslguitar, VERY hard
[06:03] <Omnica> haslguitar, I tried, gave up after 4 hours
[06:03] <ColonelKernel> nalioth_zZz, ok specifically "-O3 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fno-merge-constants -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -mfpmath=sse,387 -mmmx -msse -msse2"
[06:03] <Hendric2> woah
[06:04] <Omnica> I need help installing ... anyone have a sec???
[06:04] <Hendric2> well, i got everything duplicated with g4u... no more grub issues.. ehehehehe
[06:04] <pepsi> http://www.speakeasy.org/~jbutera/pics/peyes.jpg
[06:04] <haslguitar> any ideas how to unmount a cd in wine when it ask for the second disc in the installation?
[06:04] <jim> I did, but it was up a sec ago :)
[06:04] <mylastmorning> does anyone know how to get snes9express to work?
[06:04] <Hendric> indeed!!!
[06:04] <Omnica> lol
[06:04] <rjordan> ColonelKernel, -O2 and -O3 break things...
[06:04] <nalioth_zZz> ColonelKernel: so append your line of suffixes behend the /usr/bin/gcc-3.4  (in quotes)
[06:04] <Omnica> im throwing it on a acer laptop ... I want to install it, but I dont want to lose my windows
[06:04] <ColonelKernel> nalioth_zZz, right on! thanks
[06:05] <Omnica> windows sees 2 paritions, C: (with stuff) and D: (empty)
[06:05] <Omnica> idealy I want it to go on D
[06:05] <Omnica> im at the partition part right now
[06:05] <Omnica> any idea what I should do?
[06:05] <jim> you'd have to remove d and put linux partitions there
[06:05] <kwilcox> tritium: fixed my icon problem... breezy for some reason uninstalled the ClearLooks icon set
[06:05] <jordan> kwilcox i get and "could not open default font 'fixed'
[06:05] <Omnica> jim: can I do that via the install
[06:06] <kwilcox> jordan: server should still be open, try connecting
[06:06] <jim> probably, from what I understand ubuntu uses debian-instalelr
[06:06] <jordan> ok
[06:06] <ColonelKernel> nalioth_zZz, - I put a space in between the /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 and the " correct?
[06:06] <jim> debian-installer does have a partitioner
[06:06] <nalioth_zZz> ColonelKernel: you may have to work with the "
[06:06] <jordan> kwilcox: not working still
[06:07] <jordan> kwilcox i will post at pastebin.com
[06:07] <jim> but you're going to have to figure out which drive/partition windows is talking about (the info that it's "d:" is enough to make a guess about where it is)
[06:08] <jim> you could try mounting it and verifying it's empty
[06:08] <Omnica> hmmm
[06:08] <Omnica> thats true
[06:08] <Omnica> thrugh a live cd
[06:08] <jim> then you know what debian/ubuntu/linux calls it
[06:08] <jordan> kwilcox: http://pastebin.com/384667
[06:08] <jim> or thru the installer
[06:08] <Omnica> alrite
[06:08] <Omnica> I will try that, thanks
[06:08] <jim> the box you're installing on is the box you're now talking on?
[06:09] <AlienEye> hi, how do you start and stop services? (I'm used to running rh)
[06:09] <jim> they're in /etc/init.d
[06:09] <jim> you mean manually start/stop?
[06:10] <AlienEye> umm.. ya.. i would usually use "service httpd stop"
[06:10] <jim> or arrange to start at boot?
[06:10] <jim> maybe ubuntu has invoke-rc.d
[06:10] <jim> but I usually just do /etc/init.d/httpd stop
[06:11] <AlienEye> hmm.. that doesn't seem to work for me..
[06:11] <jim> is there init.d in /etc?
[06:11] <AlienEye> ahh they call it apache
[06:12] <AlienEye> got it thanks..
[06:12] <jim> they do?! I'd call it aolserver... oops, revealed myself :)
[06:12] <AlienEye> haha
[06:12] <s3[mn] rain> Is there somewhere I can import a .kth kde theme file?
[06:13] <AlienEye> is there a doc floating around thats like a "debian/ubuntu for redhat admins?"
[06:13] <wickedpuppy> jim, yes ...
[06:13] <Laforge> can anyone tell me what is wrong here http://pastebin.com/384667
[06:13] <jim> you can import it from your room... you can import it with a boom ... you can import it with all care... you can import it anywhere!
[06:13] <wickedpuppy> jim, you can fidn out yourself easily you know ...
[06:13] <jim> wickedpuppy: well I don't actually have it installed... you mean my kernel/install question?
[06:14] <wickedpuppy> no init.d
[06:14] <nalioth_zZz> Laforge: install all your xfont pkgs
[06:14] <graig> is breezy stable enough to install yet?
[06:14] <jim> wickedpuppy: care to try your hand at this...
[06:14] <d[0_o] b> hello!
[06:15] <nalioth_zZz> graig: yes
[06:15] <jim> so, for the ubuntu side, what does the hoary installer boot for 2.6 kernel (which version) and could I get a copy of the config file?
[06:15] <AlienEye> i've just install breezy.. and it seems to be running well..
[06:15] <Severian> graig, to use for what.  I have it on 2 machines and it is doing fine.
[06:15] <nalioth_zZz> apokryphos: you here?
[06:15] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth_zZz , how do i confirm if my USB stick is suporrted by ubuntu?
[06:15] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, plug it in and find out
[06:15] <kwilcox> jordan: do you know your default font path?
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:16] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, most USB sticks use the same standard protocol. It'd be a weird crazy one that was different.
[06:16] <jim> first of a few questions about that... trying to arm-chair-diagnose a problem with dhcp
[06:16] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , :P ur funny idid! idid spend 3 hours with someone who knows
[06:16] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , the strange thing is as follows:
[06:16] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , it is listed via: lsusb BUT we were unable to mount it :/
[06:17] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , gwildor suggested if its ntfs but it isn't since i used it also under Win98.. :(
[06:17] <twysted> one cannot format jumpdrives as ntfs windows wont allow it (security issues)
[06:17] <eythian> hmm.
[06:18] <Severian> Shin_Gouki, what is the capacity of the usb drive?
[06:18] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0ea0:2168 Ours Technology, Inc. Transcend JetFlash 2.0 , thats the device name
[06:18] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, does it come up as a device? eg mine has /dev/sda and /dev/sda1
[06:18] <Shin_Gouki> Severian, its 128 MB
[06:18] <eythian> now that looks familiar
[06:18] <ubuntu_> peu.ro
[06:18] <graig> is there currently any problems doing a distro upgrade to breezy?
[06:18] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , no not ANY sda listing ://
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. wonder if this could be the official breezy badger wallpaper :P  http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/badger.jpg
[06:18] <eythian> My usb mem stick is: Vendor: JetFlash  Model: TS512MJF2B/2L     Rev: 2.00
[06:18] <nalioth_zZz> graig: none at all
[06:19] <eythian> what comes up in dmesg when you plug it in?
[06:19] <tritium> good night, ubuntites
[06:19] <graig> is there any problems running neverwinter nights on breezy?
[06:19] <nalioth_zZz> tritium: be safe
[06:20] <tritium> nalioth_zZz, see you
[06:20] <SOMNIVM|FACULTE> tritium, good night :)
[06:20] <Shin_Gouki> eythian ,sec
[06:20] <twysted> graig, there shouldnt be
[06:20] <graig> k ill test it out.
[06:20] <kenneth> hi
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i forgot that NWN had a linux client
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:20] <Hendric> i got this error while mounting an NFS shared drive... RPC not registered.. how can i fix this?
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> i never did finish that game
[06:20] <graig> yeah its pretty fun hehe.
[06:20] <graig> i play on the net on some of the servers.
[06:20] <eythian> Hendric, you have portmap installed and running?
[06:21] <SOMNIVM|FACULTE> time zones are wicked....I've just woke up :}
[06:21] <thoreauputic> Hendric: install portmap I think
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> i saw some huge expansion/combo today.. then another expansion for $20
[06:21] <Hendric> eythian, i just installed NFS and its dependents...
[06:21] <AlienEye> i've got the same problem and hendric
[06:21] <graig> yeah, if you want to have the whole pack for online play, you should get neverwinternights platinum version,
[06:21] <eythian> Hendric, I did that the other day, and it worked just fine. Try /etc/init.d/portmap restart
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> graig,  there was a expansion beyond that one also.. "king maker" or somthing i think
[06:22] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , here my thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=72129
[06:22] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , it included the dmesg coomand output
[06:23] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, ok, looking
[06:23] <kenneth> i need a little help, I have a lot of files on my ntfs formated harddrive that i want to transfer to my home folder, right now the drive is mounted read only and only accesable by the root. how do i copy thoes files over to my home and make them belong to my normal user?
[06:23] <Hendric> eythian, i just did.. and still got the same problem
[06:23] <thoreauputic> !tell kenneth about mountwindows
[06:24] <humbolt> how does hibernate.sh know where to hibernate to and how does grub know where to resume from?
[06:24] <Hendric> OMG.. i think i need to restart.. can't open synaptics or any program damn
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> humbolt,  magic :P
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> humbolt,   test hibernation out first befor relying on it.. it was totally messed on my laptop sadly.
[06:24] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , wow someone replay with f dsik and i tried that command
[06:25] <SOMNIVM|FACULTE> have a nice day, everybody! I'm going to "fuck" - that's how people here say "faculty" :">
[06:25] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , now i can see the partion but how i use it..?
[06:25] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, OK, so you've done the mkfs bit? (note that following those steps will erase the mem stick)
[06:26] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , thats ok with me but i want to be able to use it afterwards also in windows?
[06:26] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, yeah, this should work in both
[06:26] <nalioth_zZz> SOMNIVM|FACULTE: well we dont use it here, due to manners
[06:27] <Shin_Gouki> eythian , ok then tell me the commands to delete it AND then how to mount it to put data on it
[06:27] <Severian> Shin_Gouki, you noticed the response in that thread didn't you.  Your example was the wrong syntax for sure
[06:27] <Shin_Gouki> Severian , i am aware &behind this now
[06:27] <Jedrick> how to play mp3 files?, it wont play on my xmms
[06:27] <humbolt> DR_Willis: it worked on my last vaio with no problem at all. but now it does not seem to do anything. it seems it does not know how to wake up somehow
[06:27] <SOMNIVM|FACULTE> nalioth_zZz, I didn't mean to injure someone...it's just a words-game :}
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> humbolt,  yep... same issue.. laptops and their suspends.. can be a bit of a gamble it seems. sadly
[06:28] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, to delete a partition from within fdisk use 'd'. To get a list of partitions, press 'p'.
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Jedrick: choose the esound output plugin in option-prefs
[06:28] <Jedrick> ok wait i go check
[06:28] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, to save your changes, press 'w'
[06:29] <nalioth_zZz> SOMNIVM|FACULTE: we try to respect the words and ways of the english speaking folks here
[06:29] <graig> what all do you have to do to upgrade to breezy?   just change the apt-get sources, update, and dist-upgrade?
[06:29] <nalioth_zZz> graig: see /topic   and yes
[06:29] <thoreauputic> !upgrade2breezy
[06:29] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:29] <Jedrick> im there but haven't seen any output plugins
[06:29] <dmlinux> WTF whenever i start Firefox it goes to whatuseek.com no matter what i set my homepage at???????????/
[06:29] <Hobbsee> :P beat you nalioth_zZz...you're turn again next time :P
[06:29] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, shall i paste in here the fdsik ooutput? u may find it interesting!
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Jedrick: at the bottom from memory
[06:30] <graig> thanks.
[06:30] <jim> ubotu: what are you
[06:30] <ubotu> jim: what are you talking about?
[06:30] <benplaut> where does ubuntu keep it's backgrounds?
[06:30] <jim> infobot
[06:30] <Shin_Gouki> hi how do i stop a running SSH server?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> jim: blootbot
[06:30] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, use the ubuntu pasty thing. I'll find the url unles someone else knows it.
[06:30] <crimsun> Shin_Gouki: sudo invoke-rc.d ssh stop
[06:30] <Jedrick> what memory?
[06:30] <jim> oh it's a bloot
[06:30] <twysted> dmlinux> have any extensions installed?
[06:30] <crimsun> Shin_Gouki: or just remove openssh-server
[06:30] <mdz> humbolt: hibernate.sh tells the kernel to hibernate; it uses the first swap partition or so.  resume is configured in /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf
[06:31] <Shin_Gouki> ty, crimsun
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Jedrick: mine :) I meant I seemed to remember it was a t the bottom :)
[06:31] <dmlinux> twysted seems that my starter bar does it, is there anyway to change that??
[06:31] <benplaut> jim: no, it's a blooper :P
[06:31] <jim> ubotu: blooper
[06:31] <ubotu> No idea, jim
[06:31] <Jedrick> ey i got it
[06:31] <Jedrick> i found the esound and it plays now
[06:31] <Jedrick> thnx
[06:31] <twysted> dmlinux> go into the firefox tools menu and go to extensions and remove whatever you see in there
[06:31] <Jedrick> kool
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Jedrick: no worries
[06:31] <SOMNIVM|FACULTE> nalioth_zZz, whatever... I have another point of view, but I don't have time to explain now....I'm going out...bye
[06:31] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, use this for pasting stuff into: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[06:32] <dmlinux> twysted only english pack there
[06:32] <cafuego> Hmm. I see HT is disabled by default on the SMP ekrnel in breezy. What do I pass to force it to enable?
[06:32] <twysted> try removing it and see if that helps
[06:32] <jim> ubotu, kp
[06:32] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, jim
[06:32] <jim> ubotu, listkeys kernel
[06:32] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'kernel' by key (2 shown): kernelcompile ;; kernelhowto.
[06:33] <jim> there goes my hub...
[06:33] <dmlinux> its my starter bar that does it not extension. Anyone know how to change that in my Gdesklet "starterbar"???
[06:33] <humbolt> DR_Willis: ah, the latter file still had the old resume disk setup. so resume disk is hardcoded in /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf for everybody else, that did not know!
[06:34] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, there ya go i UPDATED it :http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=389942&posted=1#post389942
[06:34] <Jedrick> i need help i got this error everytime i turn on my pc. " error: failed to initialize HAL. "
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> humbolt,  dissecting Linux is so fun.
[06:34] <jim> ubotu, listkeys debian-installer
[06:34] <Jedrick> why is that
[06:34] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'debian-installer' by key returned no results.
[06:34] <humbolt> but does that mean, initrd is created every time I hibernate?
[06:34] <kenneth> thanks
[06:34] <Shin_Gouki> Jederick i can tell u: HAL means: Hardware Abstraction Layer
[06:34] <thoreauputic> jim: if you want to play witht the bot, do it in /query please
[06:35] <Shin_Gouki> Jederick so in other words NOT good ^^
[06:35] <humbolt> does anybody know how to get my linux to use 1024x768 at the console by the way?
[06:35] <Jedrick> so what should i do?
[06:35] <Shin_Gouki> xorg.conf?
[06:35] <Shin_Gouki> Jederick no idea this is no common error!
[06:36] <Jedrick> :(
[06:36] <jim> I'm done... it doesn't seem to know what I'm after... could someone tell me what hoary installer boots, which kernel? also which dhcp client is used when the net gets brought up by the installer?
[06:36] <Jedrick> how to play video files on totem movie player?
[06:36] <humbolt> I have vga=791 and it complains about not finding vesafb.ko in initrd but then magically use 1024 mode. so I assume there must be a way to make it use 1024 without using vesafb?!
[06:36] <edgarin> Howto install pygestor in Ubuntu??
[06:36] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, were u able to read the fdisk output?
[06:36] <Josh43> Jedrick: FOr the HAL problem, try updating your bios
[06:36] <Bazkaz> !ntfs
[06:36] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[06:36] <Jedrick> How to update bios?
[06:37] <Laforge> with vnc do i connect to external or internal ip?
[06:37] <graig> hi, i edited the apt repository file, and when i did apt-update it gives an error.  couldn't stat source package list cdrom
[06:37] <jim> Jedrick: check your motherboard manual.
[06:37] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, looking. I'm also making food, so slow to reply :)
[06:38] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, dont hurry! food is MORE important , i can tell :)
[06:38] <Shin_Gouki> hi! were do i disable autostart for my SSH server, i want to start it manualy via cmd?
[06:38] <Jedrick> how to play video files on totem movie player?
[06:38] <jim> also bioses are assembled for particular motherboards... be SURE you have the right one BEFORE you even start. if you don't, then you risk making the motherboard USELESS.
[06:38] <Shin_Gouki> Jedrick , use Mplayer+Win32 codecs?
[06:39] <Jedrick> what is that?
[06:39] <graig> does it have to be us.archive or archive in the apt sources list?
[06:39] <Jedrick> im just new to linux so im not familiar
[06:39] <Shin_Gouki> Jedrick , use wikipedia to look for it! its inside
[06:39] <Shin_Gouki> Jedrick , thats not a problem look into wikipedia
[06:39] <jim> Jedrick: why do you want to update your bios?
[06:40] <Jedrick> where can i find that wikipedia
[06:40] <Shin_Gouki> Jedrick , go google and type it
[06:40] <Jedrick> ok
[06:40] <nalioth_zZz> graig: whatever is closest to you
[06:40] <jim> hmm, I could head to vinnies and play some tunes
[06:40] <benplaut> anyone know where ubuntu stores it's backgrounds?
[06:40] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, ok, that looks OK. don't worry about the warning, mine does the same. Are you sure there is no /dev/sda1 device?
[06:41] <calc> benplaut: /usr/share/backgrounds
[06:41] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, when i go into that directory via MC
[06:41] <nalioth_zZz> benplaut: /usr/share/wallpaper(s)
[06:41] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, which color should sda1 should have?
[06:41] <Josh43> hrm... I can run i386/686 binaries on my a64 build, right?
[06:42] <calc> Josh43: yes
[06:42] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, try just typing: "file /dev/sda /dev/sda1" and seeing what it says
[06:42] <crispynix> benplaut: /usr/share/GNOME-is-NOT-Ubuntu ;p
[06:42] <mr_roboto>  Shin_Gouki: removing /etc/rc?.d/S*sshd will prevent ssh server from starting on boot
[06:42] <benplaut> thanks
[06:42] <Josh43> Ok, second question is: how can I get the i686 binary for the latest vlc out of apt-get?
[06:42] <crispynix> np
[06:42] <greg> how do i run a .bin file? i just downloaded java... Please...!
[06:42] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, /dev/sda:  block special (8/0)
[06:42] <Shin_Gouki> /dev/sda1: block special (8/1)
[06:43] <jordan> ubuntuserver:1
[06:43] <eythian> Shin_Gouki,  OK. what is in /media/usbstick? That's where mine mounts to.
[06:43] <nalioth_zZz> greg: get this java
[06:43] <mr_roboto> greg: sudo sh <file.bin>
[06:43] <eythian> greg: don't do it!
[06:43] <eythian> greg: there is a better way to install java
[06:44] <jim> does ubuntu have java-package?
[06:44] <dmlinux> Hey guys, ihave a question
[06:44] <eythian> jim: yep
[06:44] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, note that i am NOT using gnome nor KDE
[06:44] <_jason> !java
[06:44] <ubotu> methinks java is to install both 1.4 and Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[06:44] <jim> if I had a question...
[06:44] <dmlinux> How do you install Flashplayer if you just downloaded the .GZ
[06:44] <nalioth_zZz> _jason: it's !javadeb
[06:44] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, that shouldn't matter. I don't think they do the mounting, they just make icons appear.
[06:44] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, the media has some floppy & CDrom NO USB
[06:44] <_jason> nalioth_zZz:  oh... sry
[06:45] <jim> dmlinux: what do the directions say
[06:45] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, hey, type: 'mount | grep sda' and see if it says anything.
[06:45] <nalioth_zZz> java is no longer in the repos
[06:45] <darius___> When this next version of Ubuntu is released, will there be a way to upgrade my 5.04 install to it?
[06:45] <seethru> darius___: there already is
[06:45] <crimsun> !breezyupgradenotes
[06:45] <ubotu> crimsun: Syntax error in line 1
[06:45] <nalioth_zZz> darius___: yes, see /topic
[06:45] <thoreauputic> darius___:  /topic
[06:45] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, seems to work
[06:45] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, oh, actually mine appears on /media/usb0 ... do you have that?
[06:45] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, were may i look the result??
[06:45] <graig> is the us.archive.ubuntu.com  servers less up to date than the archive.ubuntu.com?
[06:45] <dmlinux> im oh hehe didnt see the txt file :P
[06:45] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, nope just floppy & cdrom as i told u
[06:46] <_jason> nalioth_zZz:  the wiki has instructions for downloading from sun though.  I just did it.
[06:46] <greg> ubotu: i tried that (apt-get java...) but it says that j2re1.4 has no installation condidate
[06:46] <ubotu> greg: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[06:46] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, you should have seen something like: /dev/sda        /media/usb0     auto...
[06:46] <greg> oh...
[06:46] <greg> okay
[06:46] <jim> you have to get the .bin from sun or blackdown or ibm or whatever,,, then you make a debian package using the tools in java-package.... then you install the debian package you just built...
[06:46] <eythian> OK. try typing mount /dev/sda1
[06:46] <thoreauputic> !javadeb
[06:46] <ubotu> hmm... javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[06:46] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, and if i dont have? :)
[06:46] <thoreauputic> easier
[06:46] <jim> and it does automatic things like install java plugin into browser you have installed
[06:46] <nalioth_zZz> greg: read about javadeb above ^^^^
[06:47] <greg> jim: how do i make deb? please- small words...
[06:47] <jim> first install java-package
[06:47] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, then it's not automounting at least :)
[06:47] <nalioth_zZz> greg: you read waht ubotu said above, or what ubotu sent you in a private msg
[06:47] <greg> yeah
[06:47] <greg> i did
[06:47] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, but try typing what's just above and see what happens
[06:47] <jim> then read /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED
[06:47] <thoreauputic> jim: much easier to use the debs as above
[06:47] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, i know the dmesg output should have telled u?
[06:47] <nalioth_zZz> jim: we have a better way
[06:48] <eythian> yeah, but I'm just making sure.
[06:48] <jim> what better way?
[06:48] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, i tried VARIED mount commands some did work , but i NEVER found the directory were to access the data from the stick
[06:48] <thoreauputic> jim: ubotu jsut said
[06:48] <thoreauputic> !tell jim about javadeb
[06:48] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, plz again what exactly shall itype in?
[06:48] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, try "mount /dev/sda1" and then type "mount" and it will tell you where things are mounted to.
[06:48] <nalioth_zZz> mr ubotu is gettin  a workout
[06:48] <jim> so ubuntu has been granted distribution permission?
[06:49] <graig> does breezy come with anything new like that beagle desktop search?
[06:49] <nalioth_zZz> jim: nope. i'm illegally offering them
[06:49] <jim> then it's not better
[06:49] <nalioth_zZz> graig: beagle
[06:49] <thoreauputic> jim: no, some people are doing it anonymously I guess
[06:49] <Ryan_T> I got a question, if i creat a partition using iPartition, can i install Ubuntu on it?
[06:49] <nalioth_zZz> jim: it is to the end user who cares not about legalities
[06:49] <jim> well the good news is it's not that hard :)
[06:49] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:50] <calc> java jre is in multiverse
[06:50] <jim> you can be (1) legal and (2) not unnecessarily put someone else at risk
[06:50] <nalioth_zZz> calc: not anymore
[06:50] <thoreauputic> calc: in breezy yes
[06:50] <greg> okay- i'm getting it
[06:50] <calc> thoreauputic: yea
[06:50] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, weird. type: "mkdir /media/usbdisk ; mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk"
[06:50] <greg> thanks....!
[06:50] <thoreauputic> nalioth_zZz: Oh really?
[06:50] <calc> Filename: pool/multiverse/j/j2se1.4-amd64/j2re1.4_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb
[06:51] <calc> i accidentally installed it earlier tonight
[06:51] <cafuego_> Ryan_T: Best is to resize the current OSX partition and leave in between 4 and whatever GB free at the end of the drive. The Ubuntu installer cna then use that free space to create its partitions (it needs 3 or more, for booting etc)
[06:51] <cafuego_> calc: That 64bit jre doesn't work with OOo2 though.
[06:52] <nalioth_zZz> Ryan_T: i wish you the best of luck with iPartition. i never could figure out how to get it to work
[06:52] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, then look in /media/usbdisk
[06:52] <calc> cafuego_: ok, i don't really care since i don't use anything that uses java anyway
[06:52] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, u did it :)
[06:52] <thoreauputic> calc: IIRC that would be Blackdown Java
[06:52] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, its finally worked :)
[06:52] <calc> thoreauputic: it is
[06:52] <cafuego_> and the 1.4 jre also has a habit of doing poo.
[06:52] <calc> will be nice when gnu classpath is fully 1.4/1.5 compliant
[06:52] <mylastmorning> does anyone use snes?
[06:52] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, cool. I don't know why it wasn't automounting however.
[06:52] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, plz tell me what to do this & next time i want to plug in?
[06:53] <jim> why does ubuntu need 3 partitions?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> jim: it doesn't
[06:53] <Crazy_Man> should only need 2
[06:53] <crimsun> it doesn't, it needs one.
[06:53] <mahangu_> jim, it doesn't
[06:53] <mahangu_> bah, sorry thoreauputic, lagt
[06:53] <Crazy_Man> well, needs one.....recommend swap?
[06:53] <crimsun> you don't have to make a swap if you don't want
[06:53] <Crazy_Man> *recommended
[06:54] <calc> you can always use a swapfile as well
[06:54] <eythian> add this line to /etc/fstab: /dev/sda1  /media/usbdisk  auto  rw,user,noauto  0  0
[06:54] <jim> cafuego_, why are three partitions needed?
[06:54] <mylastmorning> QUESTION: whats that program called to modify the gnome menu?
[06:54] <mylastmorning> !gnome
[06:54] <ubotu> it has been said that gnome is an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users. see http://gnome.org for details.
[06:54] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, then you can just 'mount /media/usbdisk' and it'll work.
[06:54] <mahangu_> mylastmorning, smeg
[06:54] <mahangu_> ubotu tell mylastmorning about smeg
[06:54] <jim> update-menus
[06:54] <mylastmorning> thx mahangu ^_^
[06:54] <jim> I guess :)
[06:54] <cafuego_> jim: it wants a data aprtition, but also a yaboot HFS bootstrap one.
[06:54] <dmlinux> hey guys, i cant hear any sound from Firefox's flashplayer
[06:55] <jim> oic
[06:55] <calc> jim: menu-xdg (which is what update-menus calls) just does the debian menu
[06:55] <cafuego_> jim: booting linux on macs is a bit voodoo ;-)
[06:55] <dmlinux> hey guys, i cant hear any sound from Firefox's flashplayer , does anyone else have this problem??
[06:55] <mahangu_> dmlinux, i don't DO flash :)
[06:55] <eythian> dmlinux, not me.
[06:56] <dmlinux> mahangu_, how do you play videos on the net then
[06:56] <cafuego_> Crazy_Man: And no, you don't need a partition for swap, you cna swap onto a file on / just fine.
[06:56] <mahangu_> dmlinux, flash videos?
[06:56] <Ryan_T> im worried about the installer, because i dont want it to delete my entire harddrive
[06:56] <mahangu_> eh, i download the stuff i need
[06:56] <cowbud> what is the easiest way to edit pdfs? or can I edit pdfs on my ubuntu?
[06:56] <jim> dmlinux: better to find out what problem you have and why you have it :) better chance of getting help or fixing it yourself
[06:56] <mahangu_> brb
[06:56] <mahangu_> gotta study a little
[06:56] <dmlinux> mahangu_, well videos on Cnet, i just installed flash, what else do i need to install?
[06:56] <graig> dmlinux: if you have problems with flash it might be because your soundcard doesn't support hardware mixing, and only mixing through ESD (a software mixer).   Flash can't use ESD.
[06:57] <mahangu_> dmlinux, i have no idea, havent used CNET videos
[06:57] <Ryan_T> do u have to do a clean install to create partitions with the installer?
[06:57] <LaschW> I'm looking for the ipt_TTL (Target) kernel patch of iptables. (not ipt_ttl which is the match module). But I can't find the patch, neither on iptables.org nor on netfilter.org.
[06:57] <dmlinux> graig, it works in windows XP just fine :P
[06:57] <jim> Ryan_T: no, you can arrange to either ignore existing partitions or else mount them without erasing them
[06:57] <Hendric> damn RPC... i don't have this problem before. i've reinstalled breezy 10x for 2 days.. and this happend for the first time. any help?
[06:58] <mylastmorning> hey mahangu_ how do you install the deb?
[06:58] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, oho is it posiible to delete the fstab file?by mistake?
[06:58] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, umm. Don't delete it.
[06:58] <calc> Shin_Gouki: you can delete anything on your system by mistake ;)
[06:58] <Shin_Gouki> shit
[06:58] <Shin_Gouki> ^^
[06:58] <nalioth_zZz> mylastmorning: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[06:58] <calc> including eg /dev/null  which happens to be very bad
[06:58] <jim> Ryan_T: also if you already have ubuntu/debian/whatever installed, you can create/add/format partitions and then mount them wherever you want
[06:58] <mylastmorning> I get errors with smeg.deb nalioth_zZz
[06:58] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, how , were do i RE get it?
[06:58] <jim> and you don't need the installer for that last part
[06:58] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, don't do anything, and you should be able to find some of the stuff in it in /etc/mtab
[06:58] <crimsun> LaschW: um, it's in patch-o-matic
[06:59] <thoreauputic> mylastmorning: use the script on the site
[06:59] <nalioth_zZz> mylastmorning: use the installsmeg script from the home page if you're using hoary
[06:59] <Hendric> i got this "RPC not registered" error when mounting NFS drives... help me!!!
[06:59] <mylastmorning> how do you run the script nalioth_zZz?
[06:59] <calvin> Does anyone know how to install BIN files in ubuntu?
[06:59] <nalioth_zZz> mylastmorning: sh installsmeg
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Hendric: did you install nfs-kernel-server ?
[06:59] <seethru> calvin: as in a cd image?
[06:59] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, or I can past you my one and you can use that as a template to recreate your own
[06:59] <dmlinux> graig, it works in windows XP just fine :P
[07:00] <mylastmorning> hmm
[07:00] <mylastmorning> doesn't work
[07:00] <cafuego_> Hendric: Install portmap
[07:00] <Hendric> thoreauputic, yes... i've installed breezy 10x with NFS using synaptics and everythings fine.. this happened for the first time.
[07:00] <calvin> no, it's Realplayer for linux and it downloaded as a bin file
[07:00] <mylastmorning> nalioth, that script doesn't work.
[07:00] <nalioth_zZz> mylastmorning: chmod +x installsmeg && ./installsmeg
[07:00] <calvin> I'm not sure what type of a file that is
[07:00] <Hendric> cafuego, portmap is running... it installs with NFS on synaptcis
[07:00] <LaschW> crimsun: Hhhm, no tarball for download? To be honest I'm no friend of patch-o-matic... ;_)
[07:00] <tristanmike> calvin, there are instructions on the site
[07:00] <cafuego_> calvin: priprietary & rap. Try helixplayer.
[07:00] <dsfas> Anyone know how I can get raw php files off a server?
[07:00] <jim> Ryan_T: all I'm saying is you have a LOT of choices as to what you can do, both during install or after installing
[07:01] <seethru> dmlinux: flash uses software mixing in windows as well, search the howto forum on ubuntuforums.com, I know theres a tutorial there for flash sounds.
[07:01] <cafuego_> Hendric: On the server AND the clients.
[07:01] <Hendric> cafuego, on every unit...
[07:01] <cafuego_> Hendric: firewall?
[07:01] <dmlinux> seethru, will this work for videos on Cnet? or anywhere on the net for that matter
[07:01] <Severian> cafuego_, If you install Helix, is there a plugin to play real audio streams?
[07:01] <Hendric> Hendric, my other 5 pcs were mounted ok.. but this 1 i just installed last night got this error...
[07:01] <mylastmorning> how do I upgrade gnome nalioth_zZz I've got gnome-1.0
[07:01] <Ryan_T> Jim: So basicaly it will create a partition for its self to run on durring the instalation without erasing my harddrive?
[07:01] <mojo> did anyone update breezy today?
[07:02] <seethru> dmlinux: I don't know, I haven't done it as I have an Audigy 2 ZS, which is a hardware mixing soundcard
[07:02] <Crazy_Man> I did
[07:02] <cafuego_> Severian: No idea.
[07:02] <mojo> Does your graphical bootup still work?
[07:02] <Severian> mojo, early this morning.  Does that count.  No problems.
[07:02] <jim> if you have unpartitioned space
[07:02] <cafuego_> Mojo: mine does
[07:02] <Crazy_Man> I don't use a graphical bootup ;)
[07:02] <Crazy_Man> I don't even use gnome
[07:02] <Hendric> cafuego_, my other 5 pcs were mounted ok.. but this 1 i just installed last night got this error...
[07:02] <Ryan_T> Jim: Yes, i do not have and partitions
[07:02] <mojo> do you know where the options for that is?
[07:02] <Ryan_T> Jim: *any partitions
[07:03] <mylastmorning> how do I upgrade gnome I've got gnome-1.0?
[07:03] <jim> so you're using one volume on each entire drive
[07:03] <LaschW> crimsun: It would be good if there would be ipt_TTL deb's for linux-image(s) offered by Ubuntu: I can't beleve that I'm the only one who has a fussy inet provider who don't alow more than one computer per Line...
[07:03] <Crazy_Man> my ubuntu install = debian with ubuntu repositories for apt
[07:03] <jim> Crazy_Man: Crazy_Man :)
[07:03] <crimsun> LaschW: absolutely no go for Breezy. Perhaps Dapper.
[07:03] <Crazy_Man> jim:?
[07:03] <mojo> what is you graphical interface Crazy?
[07:03] <jim> see prev line...
[07:03] <Crazy_Man> I log into TTY
[07:04] <mylastmorning> how do I upgrade gnome I've got gnome-1.0?
[07:04] <LaschW> crimsun: Even not for multiverse?
[07:04] <Crazy_Man> then startxfce4 when I want to get into X
[07:04] <crimsun> LaschW: not even for multiverse.
[07:04] <thoreauputic> mylastmorning: there's no way you have gnome-1.0 on ubuntu :)
[07:04] <Mustard5> ubotu: tell Mustard5 about ubotu
[07:04] <Hendric> can anyone help me??
[07:04] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, that would be nice plz do so
[07:04] <Crazy_Man> Hendric, what's up?
[07:04] <jim> Ryan_T: you might wish to put linux on a separate, new, blank drive
[07:05] <haslguitar> can someone help me with a compile error?
[07:05] <jim> that would be the easiest approach
[07:05] <thoreauputic> mylastmorning: on Hoary it's 2.10 , on breezy 2.12
[07:05] <mylastmorning> thoreauputic,  I've got 2.10
[07:05] <Hendric> Crazy_Man, i got this RPC not registered when mounting NFS drives... my other units doesn't have this error.. only on this unit i just installed last night.
[07:05] <jim> haslguitar: trade ya for 1 guitar :)
[07:05] <thoreauputic> mylastmorning: then you are on hoary
[07:05] <mylastmorning> thoreauputic,  how do I update it?