[07:06] <apachelogger> stgraber: ahoy ... how would one go about getting kde.qa.ubuntu.com?
[07:28] <ara> good morning all :-)
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning All
[12:11] <ara> mvo: remeber the bug in update-manager where it just poped up when some updates were available (instead of just showing an indicator)
[12:16] <mvo> ara: that it pops up is a new feature (the design team wants it this way) - or is there something wrong with that mode?
[12:16] <ara> mvo: no, no, so it is a "feature"... OK :D
[12:17] <mvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Change in notifications of available updates
[12:18] <ara> mvo: ok, thanks!
[12:18] <schwuk> Cool - I was wondering why that had happened.
[12:19] <ara> hehehe, I was not the only one :D
[12:20] <ara> mvo: ok, and is it a "feature" that every time I run 'sudo apt-get update' update-manager pops-up? (when there are available updates) or is it a bug?
[12:20] <schwuk> ara: every time, or only if there are new packages?
[12:21] <ara> schwuk: every time. Let's say. I run sudo apt-get update, and there are some firefox security updates. I close update-manager (without installing the updates) and run sudo apt-get update again. It pops up again (with the same packages)
[12:22] <schwuk> seem it's only if there are updates for me (just apt-get update'd twice in a row - update-manager only appeared the first time)
[12:22] <schwuk> I lied - it was just slow
[12:22] <schwuk> It's shown up now.
[12:29] <mvo> ara: everytime is a bug, but everytime with pending security updates is a feature
[12:29] <mvo> ara: but seb just complained about this too
[12:30] <ara> mvo: ok, thanks. are the specifications written some where?
[12:30] <mvo> ara: I talk to the design team what should be done in this case
[12:30] <ara> mvo: ok
[12:30] <mvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Update Manager
[12:31] <ara> mvo: thanks. (I am seeing the backlog now in -desktop... )
[12:34]  * ara -> lunch
[13:46] <ara> eeejay: moshi moshi
[13:48] <eeejay> ara: howdy
[13:49] <ara> eeejay: I just uploaded the first version of the msn pidgin test at lp:~apulido/ubuntu-desktop-testing/pidgin_msn
[13:49] <ara> eeejay: it is in an early stage (pymsn is a pain...) but it should be working
[13:50] <eeejay> ara: cool! don't hesitate to push directly to the pidgin branch, it gets pretty confusing
[13:50] <ara> eeejay: ok, I will, as the code won't interfere
[13:50] <eeejay> ara: did recent changes in trunk break API? open/exit/close/etc..
[13:51] <ara> yes, there are some changes
[13:51] <ara> eeejay: I wanted you to have a look, because one of the things that comes to my mind is that Buddy class could be part of the pidgin.py, instead of msn_utils.py/xmpp_utils.py, etc.
[13:51] <eeejay> ara: ldtp2 almost works with the gedit udt test. almost...
[13:51] <ara> eeejay: cool :)
[13:51] <ara> eeejay: good to hear :)
[13:53] <eeejay> ara: but shouldn't my buddy be renamed to XMPPBuddy?
[13:53] <eeejay> ara: there would be a seperate buddy subclass for every protocol?
[13:54] <ara> eeejay: I was thinking of having just 1 generic Buddy, and rely protocol stuff to the Client class
[13:55] <eeejay> ara: oh, right. i forgot how i did that. so xmpp/msn_utils.py would still have the relevant Client class?
[13:55] <ara> eeejay: yes. but this is just an idea
[13:56] <eeejay> ara: i am fine either way. i guess a question is, do we expect test writers to access Pidgin.buddy directly, or rely on convenience Pidgin methods for sending messages, etc.
[13:58] <ara> eeejay: I guess both things should be fine. If they find Pidgin methods enough for their tests, cool, if they need for flexibility, Pidigin.Buddy should be available
[13:58] <eeejay> ara: great, +1
[13:59] <ara> eeejay: cool
[13:59] <eeejay> ara: i think we should also start considering merging in all the separate suite branches out there, like pidgin and dx on my end
[13:59] <ara> eeejay: completely agreed
[13:59] <ara> eeejay: it is starting to have too many
[14:01] <thekorn> make a separate project which contains all test suites ;)
[14:26] <ara> eeejay: I pushed the msn changes directly in the pidgin branch
[14:26] <ara> eeejay: I will start now the refactoring
[14:26] <eeejay> ara: neat. did you see the NO_GAIL bits?
[14:26] <ara> eeejay: no, sorry
[14:26] <ara> eeejay: I forgot
[14:28] <jtholmes> davmor2, how was the party thurs night
[14:29] <davmor2> jtholmes: fINE THANKS
[14:29] <davmor2> Fine thanks even
[14:30] <jtholmes> good when do we get started back testing pls
[14:31] <davmor2> Alpha 1 although I've added a topic for tonight about maybe running some stress tests and the best ways around it
[14:32] <jtholmes> where do i look for the topic u mention
[14:40] <davmor2> jtholmes: it's to discuss at the meeting tonight
[14:41] <jtholmes> ok
[14:42] <jtholmes> davmor2, is amd64 just a label for both intel and amd  64bit releases?
[14:42] <jtholmes> ie  amd64 works on both arch's
[14:44] <davmor2> jtholmes: If you have a intel dual core then it should support both 32bit and 64bit and amd64 is the generic kernel for any intel or amd 64bit cpus
[14:45] <davmor2> in the same way that intel386 works on amd 32bit and 64bit machines
[14:46] <davmor2> Yay just booked flights and hotel for uds
[14:46] <jtholmes> davmor2, r u actually employed by canonical
[14:47] <jtholmes> davmor2, when should i start changing the test plans i disovered incorrect or missing during testing of jaunty
[14:50] <davmor2> jtholmes: Really we need to discuss all the plans what needs to be covered etc before we start work on them again.  Other wise the danger will be duplicating stuff all over again which we want to miss out on this time.   So not until after UDS probably
[14:52] <jtholmes> davmor2, we being you and heno and others directing the test team etc. from ubuntu
[14:53] <davmor2> jtholmes: we being the QA team and community who really need to get this right in order to move on :)
[14:55] <jtholmes> davmor2, will the discussion be in the weekly QA irc meetings sometime after uds?
[14:57] <davmor2> jtholmes: you can read the doc as they are created using gobby (a collaborative text editor) instructions will be on the uds page.  gobby is like multiplayer gedit :)
[14:57] <jtholmes> ok thanks
[16:02] <eeejay> her ara, could i commit a change to udt that will log exception tracebacks with logger.warning
[16:02] <eeejay> ara: it is two lines :)
[16:03] <ara> eeejay: sure, go ahead :)
[16:03] <eeejay> ara, thanks
[16:03] <ara> eeejay: btw, my msn test fails at some point when logging out the buddy. I am trying to discover where exactly
[16:05] <eeejay> ara: does it hang?
[16:06] <ara> eeejay: it doesn't. it logs out the buddy successfully, but then it exists the testsuite without writing the results or exiting pidgin. I am debugging it now. It could be something in pymsn itself
[16:06] <eeejay> ara: dang. good luck
[16:07] <davmor2> slangasek: Congrats by the way on the work you did to get jaunty out :)
[16:10] <eeejay> ara: actually, i'll make an official merge proposal, because i have the NO_GAIL changes here too..
[16:11] <ara> eeejay: ok
[17:23] <ara> eeejay: apparently, client.logout() in pymsn just send an OUT message that conflicts with the ldtp communication, so the ldtp server exists if you logout a pymsn client :-D
[17:32] <eeejay> ara: really?? literally O.U.T. ?
[17:33] <ara> eeejay: yes :)
[17:34] <eeejay> ara: wow, bizarre..
[17:34] <ara> eeejay: indeed
[17:35] <ara> eeejay: funny enough, if you open a python console (I tried with ipython) and connect a pymsn and then, logout, the interpreter thinks you sent and ctrl+d and ask "do you really want to exit (y/n)?
[17:38] <eeejay> ara: maybe it does that. maybe it raises KeyboardInterrupt
[17:41] <ara> eeejay: maybe... :)
[17:42] <ara> eeejay: sometimes this hacks happen when trying to implement a closed protocol...
[17:42] <ara> eeejay: how do I exit? how do I exit? KeyboardInterrup!!!!!!
[17:42] <eeejay> ara: possible, yeah :)
[17:43] <eeejay> ara: i am trying to make ipython quite with an exception
[17:44] <eeejay> ara: the code in iplib.py looks like maybe an EOFError would do the trick
[17:44] <eeejay> but i couldn't get it to happen
[17:46] <eeejay> ara: i think i see a possibility
[17:46] <eeejay> ara: maybe it does sys.stdin.close()
[17:50] <ara> eeejay: no, it does not
[17:51] <eeejay> ara: i hope it doesn't do sys.exit() :)
[17:52] <ara> eeejay: :D
[17:52] <ara> eeejay:         self._send_command('OUT')
[17:52] <ara>         self._transport.lose_connection()
[17:57] <ara> reminder: qa meeting in 3m in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:17] <nagappan> is there any issue with Ubuntu 9.04 having 2 nVidia card ?
[19:17] <nagappan> the installer doesn't come up, if we have 2 cards
[19:17] <nagappan> it gets struck when the X comes up
[19:18] <nagappan> later, tried removing a card and installed Ubuntu 9.04, after installation, when I plugin the card, the second card is not being detected
[19:18] <nagappan> both the cards are same nVidia chipset
[19:19] <nagappan> I mean the lspci is listing only one card
[19:20] <sbeattie> nagappan: hrm, you might ask on #ubuntu-x or #ubuntu-kernel
[19:21] <nagappan> sbeattie, sure, let me join there
[19:22] <nagappan> sbeattie, thanks :)


[00:04] <jo-erlend_> Is trim support default yet, or is it a planned feature?
[00:06] <k1l> i thought the decision was to make it default
[00:08] <k1l> https://plus.google.com/107564545827215425270/posts/D2SB1zxb9Z9   but i dont know if its set already
[00:09] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo fstrim /
[00:09] <FernandoMiguel> should tell you
[00:22] <FernandoMiguel>  nity nite
[05:28] <hyper_ch> k1l: what does that mean now?
[07:23] <sandGorgon> hi guys - just tried installing Trusty on my XPS 1210 with nvidia 7400. Does not live-boot without nomodeset. No wifi drivers on install. I tried fedora 20 and everything worked the first time around. Are there any drivers missing in Trusty nightly ?
[07:33] <hyper_ch> works all fine on my asus... with atheros wifi and nvidia optimus
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:45] <hyper_ch> hi BluesKaj
[10:45] <BluesKaj> hey hyper_ch
[10:45] <hyper_ch> had a look at minimap with larger screen?
[10:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, seems like it could have some benefit...i don't have a lot of test files
[10:47] <BluesKaj> err text
[10:47] <hyper_ch> hehehe :)
[10:47] <BluesKaj> <---insomnia, it's early here
[10:47] <hyper_ch> it's almost noon
[10:48] <BluesKaj> almost 6AM
[10:48] <hyper_ch> you should use NTP... you clock is several hours off
[10:48] <hyper_ch> *g*
[10:48] <BluesKaj> my sleep clock is , yeah
[10:49] <BluesKaj> maybe a nap this afternoon
[10:51] <hyper_ch> naps are good
[13:50] <steve_fi> Hey, I've had an issue with the upstream Intel DRM drivers, (since I have a Haswell i5 4210Y I need to use Ubuntu 14.04 for the latest Intel DRM drivers) ... So anyway a few days ago I could boot with "nomodeset", but now I cannot
[13:50] <steve_fi> I can plug in my second monitor to get the bootUSB to get another terminal (tty1 - 6), but I cannot figure out if I can see the boot log or not
[13:51] <steve_fi> since I can't actually get it installed (because I need my primary monitor for that, which isn't showing up), I was wondering how I'd get the boot log when booting from a liveusb
[17:52] <kaimast> are there any mirrors for the daily images? ubuntu.com is soooo slow for me
[17:55] <BluesKaj> kaimast, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[17:58] <kaimast> BluesKaj: thanks but that is also from ubuntu.com
[17:59] <BluesKaj> kaimast, well i don't think there any others
[17:59] <BluesKaj> are
[17:59] <kaimast> thats what I thought. but I only get around 100kbs on ubuntu.com which takes an hour to download the image :(
[17:59] <trism> kaimast: I find a couple current ones with a quick google search so it appears some people do mirror it
[18:00] <trism> kaimast: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/ http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ubuntu-cdimage/daily-live/current/
[18:00] <kaimast> maybe I am too stupid to google. I only found some outdated mirrors
[18:00] <trism> kaimast: I would of course verify the checksums/signatures from cdimage.ubuntu.com though
[18:01] <BluesKaj> kaimast, maybe your daily is restricted to your locale archive
[18:03] <kaimast> thanks trism
[18:03] <kaimast> but they are not much faster.. maybe something is wrong with my connection.
[21:44] <hikkijp> Good evening guys! I'm using the daily builds in my laptop with optimus and I just noticed HDMI output now works somehow. Is this the nvidia-prime?
[21:45] <hikkijp> I don't know if I will be doing good installing bumblebee if its getting in shape to work in april release, so I came here to ask if some people have more experience regarding this technology
[22:34] <Fudge> error while burning dvd data disk, blank dvd is already mounted?
[23:38] <kaimast> is anybody using the new thinkpad T440. I have a hard time getting the thinkpad to work nicely


[07:40] <Unit193> pleia2: Technically compressed is fine, lossey isn't.
[09:24] <knome> ochosi, pursue
[09:50] <ochosi> knome: ok good, so we need to contact all the authors of those pics i guess
[09:50] <knome> yup
[17:59]  * rowboatnick appears
[19:04] <rowboatnick> anyone here for the meeting
[19:04] <rowboatnick> ?*
[19:04] <elfy> 2 ticks
[19:04] <lderan> yup
[19:05] <rowboatnick> I dont really know much about the meeting bot
[19:05] <pleia2> once you #startmeeting it will tell you lots of commands
[19:05] <rowboatnick> okay
[19:06] <pleia2> and you can always add more chairs to help you with #chair elfy
[19:06] <pleia2> etc
[19:06] <rowboatnick> okay cool, lets get this going :)
[19:06] <rowboatnick> #startmeeting
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[19:06] <rowboatnick> #chair elfy
[19:06] <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy rowboatnick
[19:06] <elfy> back - sorry bout that
[19:06] <rowboatnick> hehe
[19:07] <pleia2> you snooze, you become a chair
[19:07] <lderan> its the law of the land
[19:07] <elfy> so - shall I kick it off then
[19:07] <rowboatnick> So. Anyone have any specifics they want to discuss? I have a smaller list of things
[19:07] <rowboatnick> Do that
[19:08] <elfy> k - I was chatting to balloons in the qa channel - trying to get a handle on whether it's going to be much use to us before we spend a  lot of time
[19:09] <elfy> and we can probably make it easier to do some of the more basic tests - but whether we'll find it's a good use of our time I'm not so sure
[19:10] <elfy> we're never going to be able to do advanced testing - so that's going to be manual it seems
[19:10] <rowboatnick> How come?
[19:10] <elfy> perhaps some install tests - they are being worked on
[19:10] <elfy> issues with gtk I think rowboatnick
[19:10] <rowboatnick> An automated installer/test would be great :P
[19:11] <rowboatnick> Oh
[19:11] <lderan> that it would
 ahh.. well, gtk apps are a little notorious, but we have a branch of working testcases we've done for the ubuntu desktop apps
 for you guys, I think the automating installer work is your best bang for the buck at the moment
[19:11] <elfy> basically those two quotes sum up what I got from the chat with him :)
[19:11] <elfy> BUT
[19:11] <lderan> ah okay
[19:12] <elfy> given how many people we tend to have testing - how many are likely to have machines they can let an automatic test loose on?
[19:12] <elfy> I know I haven't
[19:12] <rowboatnick> I would probably use it for a VM
[19:12] <lderan> do we know the percentage of testing done on VMs?
[19:13] <rowboatnick> We did have testers fill in their equippment prior
[19:13] <rowboatnick> Im not sure where that data has gone, or if its updated
[19:13] <elfy> lderan: I don't know - my next thing to dig at is how to drag stats from the reports the tracker produces
[19:13] <elfy> rowboatnick: agreed - I could do so with VM's
[19:14] <rowboatnick> So automated tests are low priority, in general?
[19:14] <elfy> apparently someone is working on these installer tests
[19:15] <elfy> rowboatnick: I think that if people 'ubuntu' orientated are looking at those - let them
[19:15] <elfy> our time would be better used in doing basic app tests I'd think for the future
[19:15] <rowboatnick> We have a lot of unique software tho
[19:15] <elfy> ^^
[19:16] <rowboatnick> But yes, I do see the point
[19:16] <elfy> I'd rather have autotest to do abiword/gnumeric etc
[19:16] <elfy> install is install
[19:16] <lderan> agreed, basic testing is best way
[19:16] <elfy> that's my thinking - I'm looking at trying to have things there for the LTS
[19:17] <elfy> don't know what you're thoughts are
[19:18] <rowboatnick> My thoughts were, I suppose, try to get people on writing core function test cases, and like you said before, elaborate them later
[19:19] <elfy> this is the crux of my problem with it - how many people do we have :)
[19:19] <elfy> as far as I know there are you and lderan
[19:20] <elfy> at least looking at our things
[19:20] <rowboatnick> But its kinda low hanging fruit too. One can simply write and suggest a testcase, so those people mailing the list relatively frequently could perhaps be pointed in that direction
[19:21] <elfy> yep
[19:22] <elfy> how about if we try and at least get some sort of list together and get bugs done for them - something to point people towards
[19:22] <rowboatnick> Btw, how bad is it, tester wise, are there any non-irc people doing them+
[19:23] <elfy> I know of a few
[19:23] <elfy> I think we'll have a better idea when alpha1 is out for a week
[19:23] <rowboatnick> Yes it sounds like a plan
[19:23] <lderan> yeah list idea sounds good
[19:23] <elfy> the manual stuff is working well like that - getting picked off one by one
[19:24] <elfy> ok - so I'll get a list together - we can brainstorm some sort of priority for it then do some bugs and set importance
[19:24] <rowboatnick> okay
[19:24] <lderan> okay
[19:25] <elfy> so that's the general part sorted for the moment -  plan A
[19:26] <elfy> I can co-ordinate this - but the specifics are beyond me - I'm no coder
[19:26] <elfy> so if I can look to you both to help that'll be great
[19:26] <rowboatnick> sure
[19:26] <lderan> aye will do all that i can
[19:27] <elfy> thanks :)
[19:27] <elfy> so - rowboatnick you had some specifics?
[19:28] <rowboatnick> Yes, but we basically covered them, i had some points about; which apps are critical to test? contributors, core features and state of the install of autopilot
[19:29] <rowboatnick> (typing with 1 finger, so its a bit slow ;))
[19:30] <rowboatnick> So, yes, I dont really have anything to add I suppose
[19:31] <elfy> ok - lderan ?
[19:31] <lderan> all stuff covered for me
[19:32] <elfy> #action elfy create list of apps for autopilot for prioritisation
[19:32] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy create list of apps for autopilot for prioritisation
[19:32] <elfy> #action elfy set up bugs for required autopilot tests
[19:32] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy set up bugs for required autopilot tests
[19:33] <elfy> #idea point people mailing -dev list at a/pilot bugs
[19:33] <elfy> rowboatnick lderan - anything else needing action or idea ?
[19:34] <rowboatnick> not that i can think of
[19:34] <lderan> same
[19:34] <elfy> k
[19:34] <elfy> thanks then :)
[19:34] <rowboatnick> thank you :)
[19:35] <lderan> thanks :D
[19:35] <elfy> not sure I did much other than get confused by the whole thing earlier :)
[19:35] <elfy> #endmeeting
[19:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jun 19 19:35:32 2013 UTC.
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[19:35] <elfy> d'oh
[19:36] <lderan> what's up?
[19:36] <elfy> should have put noscjak's name against the actions :p
[19:36] <lderan> ah
[21:29] <Noskcaj> What package are the indicators at the logon screen from?
[21:30] <Noskcaj> there's a graphical glitch in 13.10
[21:30] <ochosi> Noskcaj: screenshot plz
[21:31] <ochosi> (if you refer to the session-menu and the language menu, then those aren't ubuntu indicators, but normal menus that are part of the greeter)
[21:34] <Noskcaj> ochosi, http://imgur.com/6GawhHD
[21:34] <Noskcaj> top right corner
[21:35] <ochosi> Noskcaj: right, the fix is in Greybird already, could you try it from git?
[21:35] <Noskcaj> how do i do that?
[21:35] <ochosi> download here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/archive/master.zip
[21:36] <ochosi> extract to ~/.themes/
[21:36] <ochosi> (if that dir doesn't exist, just create it)
[21:38] <Noskcaj> done
[21:39] <ochosi> then logout again and check whether it's fixed
[21:39] <Noskcaj> it's not.
[21:39] <Noskcaj> i'll try restarting
[21:39] <ochosi> nah, wait a sec
[21:40] <ochosi> "ls ~/.themes/" looks like what?
[21:40] <ochosi> (the folder inside should be called "Greybird", not something else)
[21:40] <Noskcaj> Greybird-master
[21:41] <ochosi> right, rename that ;)
[21:41] <ochosi> or switch to Greybird-master in the appearance settings
[21:41] <ochosi> or actually no, rename it, otherwise you also have to change the lightdm-gtk-greeter config file
[21:42] <Noskcaj> done
[21:42] <Noskcaj> after logging out then back in a crash report has appeared
[21:43] <Noskcaj> and the bug still isn't fixed
[21:44] <Noskcaj> i've tried both
[21:45] <ochosi> well anyhoo, the new greeter (1.6) will hopefully land in saucy soon and as soon as greybird from git lands there as well, that glitch will be gone
[21:45] <ochosi> so nothing to worry about
[21:45] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:45] <Noskcaj> yay, only 4 bugs this install
[21:46] <Noskcaj> 8 is my record this cycle
[21:46]  * Noskcaj isn't sure if this is an achievement


[03:57] <jasonhonda> hi
[03:58] <jasonhonda> anybody?
[03:59] <jasonhonda> anyone have installed ubuntu on a ibm t60?
[04:00] <Nailor> Yup.
[04:01] <Nailor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadT60-B41
[04:01] <Nailor> For more, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Lenovo_IBM


[02:57] <moto121> Hello everyone. Looking to switch to Lubuntu because my current distro has stopped handling my fan correctly. I have run Lubuntu from live usb and am very impressed! But there is a random screen flicker in 22.04, so I am hesitant to install. Have any problems been reported on this?
[05:21] <Mike_> Anyone had screen flicker on 22.04?
[17:18] <caspajo> .
[17:18] <caspajo> que


[17:35] <teward> wgrant: has there been any font size changes in the UI for the Overview, Code, Bugs, etc. buttons on pages?
[17:36] <teward> seems to me the font size was reduced (where it is in relation to everything else makes it seem dwarfed and a little more tricky to work with, in my opinion)
[20:12] <wgrant> teward: It hasn't changed at all, just moved. It was always pretty tricky to work with, and I'm very open to suggestions for improving it.
[20:14] <teward> wgrant: +2pt font size on the 'tab bar' is my opinion, i'm just too lazy to write my own userscript to do that XD
[20:14] <teward> i miss the breadcrumb trail too, but i'm glad the bug numbers are back
[20:14] <wgrant> The breadcrumb trail still exists when the rest of the page doesn't duplicate its information.
[20:14] <teward> although the font size for that could do with a small increase too
[20:14] <teward> true, but on bugs in the ubuntu namespace, they're effectively gone, AFAICT
[20:14] <teward> which is fine, i'm happy to snag the bug number from the URL, but meh.
[20:15] <wgrant> The bug number is back now, though.
[20:15] <teward> as i said
[20:15] <teward> grrrr, my VPN is misbehaving, give me 2 minutes to switch to a non-VPN'd connection
[20:15] <wgrant> https://dogfood.paddev.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bugs is still running the old code for comparison, by the way.
[20:15] <teward> ack
[20:15] <wgrant> Compare vs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bugs
[20:15] <dobey> eh, the "tabs" seem fine to me
[20:16] <teward> dobey: that's just a minor one, i'm harping on the ease-of-readability now of the bug numbers
[20:16] <teward> smaller and not bold, makes it a little tricky to read on standard res without zooming, at least on this screen
[20:16]  * teward shrugs
[20:17] <dobey> and i'm on a 185 PPI screen, and zoomed out one level :P
[20:17] <wgrant> Ah true, it used to be bold.
[20:17] <dobey> the problem with the bug number display on the bug page for that bug, is that it's quite low contrast
[20:17] <teward> wgrant: and AFAICT maybe a point or two bigger
[20:17] <dobey> as it's gray on white
[20:17] <teward> dobey: true, that's another issue
[20:17] <wgrant> I only stuck the bug number in there because there was no other way to do it without styling changes.
[20:17] <teward> bold or bkacl would be a little better.
[20:17] <teward> s/bkacl/black/
[20:18] <teward> and apparently i need to beat my keyboard into submission again
[20:18] <dobey> at least darker grey would help
[20:18] <wgrant> It should soon be a number next to the summary, like it is in bug listings today, but that requires some minor fixes to the inline title editor.
[20:18] <dobey> oh, that would be beetter, yeah
[20:18] <teward> indeed.
[20:19] <teward> my only last complaint on a bugs page is aesthetics - if you keep 'reported by' that font size looks dwarfed next to the 'person' image next to the name...
[20:19] <teward> might just be because of the size of that image, but...
[20:19] <dobey> my main issue with the current bug # line is the contrast
[20:19] <teward> agreed with dobey, a size increase or a contrast increase (darker gray or black) would fix that
[20:19] <wgrant> The current bug number line is the easiest thing that I could do to fix the regression from hiding the breadcrumbs :)
[20:19] <wgrant> It's very much a this-week solution.
[20:19] <teward> yep
[20:19] <wgrant> Thanks for the feedback.
[20:20] <teward> you're welcome, sorry if i'm harping on the nittygritty tiny things...
[20:20] <dobey> if it's going away in favor of bug # in the summary line, i'm fine with that
[20:20]  * teward has a horrible penchant for doing that
[20:20] <teward> agreed with dobey
[20:20] <wgrant> Nittygritty annoying usability issues are the worst.
[20:20] <teward> heheh
[20:20] <dobey> as the rest of the info is duplicated in the expansion
[20:20] <teward> last question: what's the plan for the "reported by"?  Where will that go whne that line disappears
[20:20] <teward> or is it staying?
[20:21] <dobey> teward: click the arrow next to the project name to expand it
[20:21] <dobey> teward: it's already there :)
[20:21] <dobey> along with confirmed date even
[20:21] <teward> that's... fine, but those of us who use at-a-glance looking have to hunt for it now.
[20:22] <teward> granted, I've started pulling bug data for me to work on via the api, so...
[20:22] <teward> all the data exists in that method :P
[20:22] <dobey> which you have to do anyway, if the bug has multiple projects/packages
[20:22] <teward> mhm
[20:22] <dobey> if you even care about that data
[20:22] <teward> i pull the 'submitted by' in the automated reports that get generated of things in the nginx package on my radar.  the API is a useful tool :)
[20:23] <teward> thanks to you all for the assistance with all that by the way
[20:23] <dobey> i mostly only use it to know who to yell at for filing crappy bug reports :)
[20:23] <teward> heheh
[20:37] <wgrant> No real plans for the "Reported by" line at the moment. Trying to make the header sane so far.
[20:38] <wgrant> But any feedback you have, I'd be glad to hear.
[20:38] <teward> there's probably bound to be more as changes come
[20:38] <wgrant> Starting with making https://dogfood.paddev.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bugs not say the package and distro four times in the header each.
[20:41] <dobey> well, if you don't know where you're searching for in that entry box, you can't say we didn't try to tell you
[20:42] <wgrant> Heh
[20:54] <ScottK> wgrant: On that page, I almost always want to sort by date most recently changed and it's annoying I can't.
[20:58] <wgrant> ScottK: You can sort by the shown columns, and select which columns to show, and date_last_updated is shown by default. I suspect you've selected not to show that column in the past.
[20:58] <wgrant> Click the gear in the top left of the table to enable it.
[20:58] <wgrant> (you still can't change the default sort, though)
[20:58] <ScottK> Right.  It's missing from the default.
[20:59] <ScottK> I know how to manage it, but it's annoying.
[21:09] <wgrant> ScottK: Oh, I thought it was in the default. Hm.
[21:09] <ScottK> Don't think so.  I'm on a ~new system where I've never been to dogfood before and I don't see it.


[00:03] <virmaha> OerHeks: i found a workaround
[00:04] <virmaha> but i've run into another issue...when I do apt-mark showauto on my machine, I can see  libqt4-help:i386. But when i do apt-mark install libqt4-help:i386, I get Unable to locate package libqt4-help:i386
[00:09] <OerHeks> maybe you need to add architecture first, if the base is amd64
[00:10] <OerHeks> dpkg --add-architecture i386
[00:15] <texla> Here is my df -h can some please tell me why so many snap entries and are they useful..https://pastebin.com/kXnCa7Lx
[00:20] <OerHeks> snap keeps basicly 3 versions on disk
[00:21] <OerHeks> you could delete old versions, but i would let it be, they are just a few mb
[00:21] <guiverc> texla, maybe try `df -h -x"squashfs"`  (or make it via alias your default df if you must)
[00:24] <texla> OerHeks, I went into files,snaps and logs and all the files were empty also other have to entries I WAS just wondering why 18.04 had snaps
[00:24] <ChetManly> what is the thing in windows 10 that lets you select which audio goes to which audio controller and what is the equavilant in ubuntu
[00:24] <ChetManly> I cant use my front headphone jack for something different than the one the back can I?
[00:26] <OerHeks> snaps are the new packages, universal, introduced in 16.04
[00:28] <OerHeks> see snap revert and snap remove https://itsfoss.com/use-snap-packages-ubuntu-16-04/
[00:30] <texla> OerHeks, Thanks for the info
[01:50] <aiena> I need some help with ldd. It's picking up the right GL lib for .so.1 but not for .so  . Here is the command line dump with question in detail. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KRqpt6nHBf/ Can someone please help me fix order
[02:15] <virmaha> hello. I exported some local packages using apt-get mark showauto and installed them from within docker. But it does something related to kernel and GRUB (Creating config file /etc/default/grub with new version)
[02:15] <virmaha> how do I prevent that? what component caused all that to be triggered?
[02:50] <CoolerZ> whats the best virtualization software?
[02:50] <CoolerZ> I used to use virtualbox on windows 10
[02:51] <Ben64> i use qemu/kvm with libvirt
[02:51] <CoolerZ> but looking in the software store it says proprietary license and never updated
[02:51] <CoolerZ> Ben64, i prefer a gui version
[02:52] <Ben64> it is
[02:52] <CoolerZ> qemu is terminal based
[02:52] <Ben64> that's what the frontend is for
[02:53] <CoolerZ> why is it better?
[02:53] <Ben64> works well, can do passthrough and all kinds of good stuff
[02:54] <rfm> CoolerZ, you can get the latest from virtualbox.org.  read the downloads page for how to set up the apt repos.  you'll get the gpl version unless you take the extra step of installing the proprietary extensions
[03:15] <Avion> help UBU18.04 -- i have restarted win10 partition for only 8 mins -Spectrum and I troubleshooting wifi. So now ubuntu wont boot. i get this. https://m.imgur.com/JFgSXyS
[03:21] <Avion> i am patiently waiting for help. Win10 hurt me
[03:40] <Avion> what's going on I've never seen #ubuntu dead.. and I have a problem.
[03:44] <Bashing-om> Avion: Just have to await one with EFI experience to verify what is in the EFI directory - that ain't me :(
[03:48] <Avion> Bashing-om: can you give me a hint, what terms should I look up online.. just to keep busy?
[03:49] <Avion> I have also heard that newer Windows 10 updates will "mess" up ubuntu
[03:49] <Avion> i will look that up.. thanks.
[03:58] <Bashing-om> Avion: As a starting place is what one can see with 'efibootmgr -v' . If you can not boot to a terminal in the install, then from a liveUSB.
[04:00] <Avion> i do get a prompt of a sort https://m.imgur.com/JFgSXyS
[04:00] <Avion> ok will try
[04:01] <Avion> ls works so it's a 0rompt
[04:02] <Bashing-om> Avion: initramfs prompt .. where says grub can not find its config files . As to the why I have not the experience with EFI to know what to look for .
[04:02] <Avion> efibootmgr not found Bashing-om
[04:03] <Avion> i will ... post to a forum maybe.
[04:04] <Avion> do you know what crtcl is?
[04:04] <Bashing-om> Avion: From that prompt is a verry limited anount of commands .. just the bare minimum to mount the system and some troubleshooting tools.
[04:05] <Bashing-om> amount*
[06:32] <CoolerZ> Ben64, hey
[06:33] <CoolerZ> does qemu or kvm have the unsigned kernel module issue?
[06:33] <CoolerZ> apparently for vbox to work you need to sign the vboxdrv and other modules or disable secure boot
[06:51] <Ben64> CoolerZ: idk i don't use secureboot
[07:01] <rajivmars> hi all. how to download ubuntu's default backgrounds of older versions
[07:01] <rajivmars> ?
[07:04] <guiverc_d> rajivmars, `apt-cache search wallpapers`  will show packages with wallpapers in the name; i'd massage that list into whatever you want (but I've not done it myself; there are a few non-wallpaper programs in the list that relate to wallpapers; eg. variety which isn't a wallpaper, but program to change wallpapers..)
[07:05] <rajivmars> ok
[07:06] <rajivmars> i know that but i just wanted to see older default wallpapers in ubuntu.
[07:07] <guiverc_d> well it'll show ubuntu-wallpapers-artful, ubuntu-wallpaper-bionic, ubuntu-wallpaper-karmic, ubuntu... etc.  which is all wallpapers for ubuntu, xubuntu, & other flavors...
[07:07] <rajivmars> yeah. i am installing.
[08:31] <SuperLag> Your mouse froze, and your system had to be hard rebooted. How do you find out what caused it?
[09:04] <samba35> if i want to add acs  patch to ununtu ,do i have to compile kenrel after add a patch ?
[09:04] <samba35> i am using 18.04
[09:05] <Ben64> dunno what that is, but if you want to patch the kernel, yeah you'd have to compile
[09:05] <samba35> ok
[09:06] <samba35> what are the package do i have to install to compile a kernel ,header and source and ?
[09:06] <Ben64> if you have to ask that kind of stuff, i'd recommend not compiling your own kernel
[09:07] <samba35> yes true but have to start at some time /some stage where
[09:07] <samba35> sorry but its must now i stuck very badly
[09:09] <samba35> Ben64, did you ever compile a kernel ?
[09:10] <Ben64> yep, about 15 years ago was my first
[09:13] <samba35> can you please help me to understand ?
[09:15] <Ben64> sorry, would take too long
[09:15] <guiverc_d> samba35, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[09:16] <Ben64> upon googling, seems the acs patch is unnecessary for almost everyone
[09:16] <Ben64> so seems like a bad idea
[09:18] <samba35> then how to fix it ?
[09:28] <ShekharReddy> hey guys  I am facing this error  when switching on the bluetooth
[09:28] <ShekharReddy>  `kernel: [ 6586.112460] Bluetooth: hci0: last event is not cmd complete (0x0f)`
[09:28] <ShekharReddy> OS Ubuntu 18.10
[09:30] <tomreyn> ShekharReddy: and this breaks something?
[09:30] <ShekharReddy> yes
[09:30] <ShekharReddy> no devices are recognised
[09:30] <ShekharReddy> i  googled the error message
[09:30] <ShekharReddy> there isn't much info that i could resolve
[09:33] <tomreyn> ShekharReddy: which bt device id? please post 'lsusb' and 'lspci -nn' output to the pastebin
[09:35] <ShekharReddy> lsusb output https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WjGEQpeB/lsusb
[09:36] <ShekharReddy> the other one https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/i4WVXU5D/
[09:36] <ShekharReddy> tomreyn:  ^^
[09:37] <tomreyn> 0a5c:216d is he bluetooth devic. you may want to sudo update-usbids
[09:37] <ShekharReddy> done
[09:38] <ShekharReddy> do i need to reboot the device
[09:39] <ShekharReddy> let me check once
[09:40] <tomreyn> ShekharReddy: no, this command you ran is just to get nicer output next time you run lsusb. it's not a fix for the bluetooth issue.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-utopic/+bug/1435681  discusses missing firmware on older ubuntu releases, may still be relevant
[09:42] <tomreyn> your chipset is a Broadcom BCM943142Y, a bluetooth + wireless combo chipset
[09:42] <tomreyn> 802.11b/g/n WLAN + Bluetooth 4.0 NGFF 2230 Mini Card
[09:45] <tomreyn> ShekharReddy: try installing bcmwl-kernel-source
[09:46] <ShekharReddy> sure
[09:48] <tomreyn> ShekharReddy: actully you need broadcom-sta-dkms
[09:49] <ShekharReddy> tomreyn:  do i just install broadcom-sta-dkms
[09:49] <ShekharReddy> ?
[09:52] <tomreyn> ShekharReddy: yes, i'm not entirely sure why there re both bcmwl-kernel-source and broadcom-sta-dkms, though, they effectively may do the same thing. one is in restricted, the other in multiverse, though
[10:01] <quem> anyone got experience with ubuntu on the asus zenbook 14 ux433fn yet?
[10:01] <quem> it has a touchpad that is also a tiny display. i reckon that might be an issue?
[10:14] <coconut> Is there any "nvidia prime" aka tool for amd cpu + amd gpu?
[11:04] <Mia> Hello channel --- I have a server and I realized it was uing 100% cpu (was unable to connect)
[11:04] <Mia> so I power cycled it through the web UI
[11:04] <Mia> now is it possible which process was using my cpu before the power cycle was made?
[11:05] <Mia> is it possible to learn* - I mean
[11:05] <tchakatak> Mia: You can take a look on syslog to guess. But out of the box...
[11:06] <Mia> where do I find it tchakatak
[11:06] <tchakatak> Do you have any ssh access on the server?
[11:06] <Mia> yes now I do
[11:06] <tchakatak> Take a look on the files in /var/log
[11:06] <Mia> as I've power cycled the machine, whatever was using the cpu isn't using it any more
[11:07] <tchakatak> how did you know the server was on 100%cpu ?
[11:07] <Mia> I've logged on to digitalocean and web UI is showing me a graph
[11:07] <Mia> it's hired from digitalocean
[11:09] <tchakatak> mhh, did it happend just sudently ?
[11:10] <Mia> realized it happened 10 hours ago
[11:10] <Mia> I've realized I can't connect t omy machine
[11:10] <Mia> and I've logged into the console
[11:10] <Mia> and realized it's been running on 100% cpu for the last 10 hours
[11:10] <Mia> so, power cycled - but I don't know what was using the cpu so I want to learn
[11:10] <tchakatak> Did you lunch anyting before it happend ? any process ?
[11:11] <Mia> I already have a few processes running all the time
[11:11] <Mia> this is a website/server
[11:11] <Mia> so I have around 10 nodejs processes
[11:14] <tchakatak> i would recommend to run each process and look at wich one is load.
[11:14] <tchakatak> *loading
[11:18] <Mia> tchakatak, how can I see what WAS using the cpu
[11:18] <Mia> that's all I want to learn
[11:19] <Mia> because this server is on for more than 3 years, this is the first time it's happening.
[11:20] <tchakatak> as i said, you can take a look into syslog to see if something went wrong at one point, but there is nothing recorded.
[11:21] <tchakatak> such as highcpu reason. You will need monitoring tools to know why if it happend again.
[11:37] <dptc> I've installed Spotfy using snap and have the following command to use in the CLI to rescale for my 4k display "spotify --force-device-scale-factor=2". The issue is having this take place when opening Spotify using the icon on my dock. Usually, I'd change the Spotify.desktop file to include "Exec= $/PATH/spotify --force-device-scale-factor=2 but no such file exists when the application is installed using
[11:37] <dptc> snap. Can anyone help me with this?
[11:47] <Iarla> Is it possible to format a partition to OSX Extended using GParted? It's the most compatible file system in our home.
[11:48] <Iarla> HFS is listed in gparted format options, but greyed out.
[11:52] <Iarla> Looks like hfsprogs just needed to be installed. They key search term was "hfs".
[11:53] <Iarla> Only issue now is that I can't write to the partition after I mount it.
[11:54] <tchakatak> Iarla: I'm not sure you can write on osx extended from linux. had the same thing with one of my external hard drive
[11:54] <tchakatak> But if you want the 'most compatible' i would recommend you fat /exfat
[11:55] <Iarla> thanks tchakatak, that saves me chasing a wild goose. I have files over 4GB so FAT isn't useful for us. Is exfat better for large files?
[11:56] <Iarla> Mac cannot write to NTFS so I'm not using that either.
[11:58] <dptc> exit
[11:58] <tchakatak> If i remeber well you can write bigger file than 4gb on exfat
[11:58] <tchakatak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT
[11:59] <Iarla> Thanks. Exfat it is so :)
[12:16] <mouses> ExFAT is like 16 Exobytes max file size or something insane
[12:16] <mouses> way more than you'll ever need
[12:18] <Iarla> It's great, I never realised :)
[12:19] <geirha> I bet someone said that about 4GiB as well
[12:26] <fantomas> Hi guys. Is there such a thing which would recover from random touchpad clicks? When I type text on my laptop I'm constantly touching the Touchpad with my thumbs
[12:26] <fantomas> i would expect this to be fixed at the system side
[12:26] <fantomas> rather than at my imperfect brain side
[12:26] <fantomas> ideas?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:27] <tchakatak> fantomas: Desactivate touchpad when your typing with a bind ?
[12:28] <tchakatak> Hi BluesKaj
[12:28] <tomreyn> i think there are desktops which offer an option to disable touchpad while your're typing
[12:28] <fantomas> tchakatak: that looks like an overkill
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hi tchakatak
[12:29] <Kazdax> does anyone know if i can run paltalk on ubuntu ?
[12:29] <Kazdax> i want to use ubuntu but this windows app is something i use alot
[12:29] <fantomas> tchakatak: or rather - OS could do it by itself, as it;s ovbious that when I'm typing I don't use the TouchPad
[12:29] <Kazdax> and i dont think there is anything new about the new paltalk
[12:30] <Kazdax> i mean any infromation regarding running paltalk on ubuntu
[12:31] <tchakatak> fantomas: not really, play a game and use touchpad and keyboard by exemple
[12:31] <tomreyn> tchakatak: gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad disable-while-typing
[12:31] <tchakatak> tomreyn: Work only on gnome right ?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Kazdax, install wine, then IE and paltalk
[12:33] <BluesKaj> !wine
[12:33] <tomreyn> tchakatak: yes
[12:33] <Kazdax> BluesKaj, does those things still work ?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Kazdax, also check this out https://ubuntuarmy.wordpress.com/tag/paltalk-on-linux/
[12:34] <tomreyn> tchakatak: ther eis also this gnome extension which lets you automatically switch off the touchpad when a mouse is connected https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/131/touchpad-indicator/
[12:35] <Iarla> geirha: it was said about <1MB so I bet you're right :)
[12:52] <fantomas> My old PC lost its video drivers after I upgraded to 18.04
[12:53] <fantomas> Now I don't know what is the proper way to install or fix video drivers. I own nVidia 980 GTX board
[12:53] <fantomas> Is SGFXI still in play?
[12:55] <ioria> fantomas, are you on nouveau atm ?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> fantomas, run this in the terminal, lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[12:56] <BluesKaj> probly nouveau
[13:00] <fantomas> BluesKaj: empty output
[13:00] <ioria> fantomas, cat /proc/cmdline
[13:01] <fantomas> Something like: ... 4.15.0-39-generic root=... ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[13:01] <fantomas> ioria: ^^
[13:02] <ioria> fantomas, sudo lshw -c Video | pastebinit
[13:02] <fantomas> I cannot copy-paste - @ another PC now
[13:02] <ioria> fantomas, why ?
[13:03] <fantomas> ioria: beacuse it has awful resolution and I cannot use X at all
[13:03] <ioria> fantomas,  bott with nomodeset or recovery -> resume
[13:04] <ioria> *boot
[13:04] <fantomas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HzPVF22ND2/
[13:04] <ioria> fantomas,  it's a desktoppc right ?
[13:05] <fantomas> yep rebooting
[13:05] <ioria> ok
[13:05] <fantomas> What am I suppose to press guys to get GRUB menu?
[13:05] <fantomas> Shift doesn't work
[13:05] <ioria> fantomas,  try esc
[13:06] <tomreyn> hit escape repeatedly then
[13:06] <fantomas> ok lmt
[13:06] <BluesKaj> left shift
[13:07] <BluesKaj> fantomas, the driver you need is the nvidia-396
[13:08] <BluesKaj> odd that it didn't default to nouveau
[13:10] <fantomas> BlessJah_: ok, let me try to install it then... I cannot get into GRUB menu anymore
[13:10] <fantomas> Seems like Ubuntu 18.04 installer screwed it up completely
[13:11] <fantomas> LOL. After I said that it got into GRUB menu by default! Itself
[13:11] <ioria> fantomas,  do this,let it boot and then open a console
[13:12] <fantomas> Now booting in recovery mode
[13:12] <ioria> fantomas,  then resume
[13:23] <fantomas> Ok I cannot install nvidia-396 beacuse it has no installation candidate
[13:23] <fantomas> 390 - the same story
[13:23] <ioria> there is no nvidia-396 or 396 in the ubuntu repo s
[13:23] <ioria> for bionic i mean
[13:23] <BluesKaj> do you have install dkms installed?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> oops
[13:24] <ioria> the names have changed
[13:24] <fantomas> Ah I see. https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux - was using this, thought it had
[13:24] <ioria> fantomas, and i din't tell you to install it
[13:24] <fantomas> I know, sorry, BluesKaj hinted :)
[13:25] <ioria> !info nvidia-driver-390 bionic
[13:25] <ioria> if you want 396 you need a ppa
[13:25] <fantomas> I don't do I want it or not. 390 worked well before probably
[13:25] <BluesKaj> hmm, thought the 396 was up to date
[13:26] <fantomas> ubuntu-drivers list is showing exactly it - 390
[13:26] <ioria> fantomas, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit
[13:26] <BluesKaj> then try the 390 for sure, apologies my mistake about the 396, fantomas
[13:26] <fantomas> like it is installed. And ubuntu-drivers autoinstall makes nothing (like everything in its place already)
[13:28] <fantomas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/65rDYvbTWS
[13:28] <fantomas> ioria: ^^
[13:29] <BluesKaj> does running nvidia-xconfig  work? it used to
[13:30] <Iarla> How have your experiences with exFat been with large drives? I've formatted a 1TB disk with it for compatibility between MacOS and Ubuntu, but I've just realised it's not journalled which makes me question it's suitability for backups. Does it endure?
[13:31] <ioria> fantomas, if i were you i'd purge it all (384 and 390), remove xorg.conf, reboot  ; check if nouveau works, (if not you use nomodeset) and reinstall nvidia
[13:32] <ioria> fantomas, disable secure boot (for a maxwell chipset)
[13:33] <ioria> fantomas,  anothe thing: check in /etc/modprobe.d/ if you still have  a nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf
[13:34] <BluesKaj> guess I'm behind the curve on nvidia driver installs. I haven't used my old nvidia gpus for over 8 months
[13:35] <BluesKaj> on this pc
[13:42] <fantomas> ioria: thanks for the suggestion - I really had nvidia stuff in modprobe and it was blocking nouveau - moved it out
[13:43] <ioria> ok
[13:46] <Dbugger> Hi everyone, I got a problem. I bought a Wifi Card ASUS PCE AC56, and installed the drivers listed under "Additional drivers", but I am getting only about 50 mbps, when my line is 100 mbps. I guess it must be driver issue, since I get 93 easily when booting Windows. Is there any way I can get better performance??
[13:49] <Dreaman> you internet is 50 mb/s
[13:51] <Dbugger> Dreaman, my internet line is 100mbps
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Dbugger, try it on google speed test
[13:51] <Dbugger> but on Ubuntu I can only reach, at max, 60 mbps
[13:52] <Dreaman> my is 1gb/s and
[13:52] <Dbugger> BluesKaj, same results
[13:52] <Dreaman> call isp
[13:52] <Dbugger> Dreaman, it works on Windows 10
[13:53] <Dbugger> so it is not a problem with the line
[13:53] <Dreaman> ok
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Dbugger, using the bcmwl-kernel-source driver?
[13:56] <Dbugger> BluesKaj, not sure.. how can I check that?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> look in your package manager
[13:58] <Dbugger> BluesKaj, seems to be already installed in the system
[13:58] <Dbugger> not sure if that means that I am actually using it, though...
[13:59] <TJ-> Dbugger: can you show us "pastebinit <( iwconfig )"
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Dbugger, run,  modprobe wl , in the terminal
[13:59] <Dbugger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZMWwMnnmmc/
[14:00] <Dbugger> BluesKaj, done. Nothing happened (apparently)
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Dbugger, that modprobe command should load the driver, there's no output if it's loaded
[14:00] <Dbugger> BluesKaj, there was no output :/
[14:01] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:01] <TJ-> Dbugger: strange; that output should include the signal quality and any error/retry counts.
[14:01] <TJ-> Dbugger: can you try again as root: "pastebinit <( sudo iwconfig )"
[14:02] <Dbugger> TJ-, same output...
[14:02] <TJ-> Dbugger: is the wifi currently connected ?
[14:02] <Dbugger> no wait
[14:02] <Dbugger> not same output
[14:02] <Dbugger> this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2DzZhMN8Ny/
[14:03] <TJ-> Dbugger: OK, very good signal quality, but the link speed might be the cause "Bit Rate=144 Mb/s"
[14:04] <TJ-> Dbugger: That is the raw radio rate; the actual usable rate will be quite a bit lower
[14:04] <fantomas> ioria, BluesKaj - so I did it - cleared all nvidia stuff, restarted (several times) and finally got nouveau working. Then I installed nvidia drivers with `ubuntu-drivers autoinstall` and got my screwed up desktop back :(
[14:04] <Dbugger> TJ-, is low because it is configured to be low? or is it an external circumstance?
[14:05] <fantomas> So I have only I display working (out of 3) and there is set res of 640x480 or simiar
[14:05] <TJ-> Dbugger: I'd suggest you start a speedtest to an Internet site, and then re-run the command several times as the test is underway, and see if that 'iwconfig' report varies in any significant way
[14:05] <fantomas> ioria: and no I didn't have any xorg.conf
[14:05] <TJ-> Dbugger: for example, check for the error/rety counts increasing markedly, or the bitrate dropping.
[14:07] <Dbugger> TJ-, seems to be always 144
[14:10] <TJ-> Dbugger: Just to be sure I'd recommend checking from Windows what bit-rate it reports (you might have to dig a lot to find that info on Windows!) - if Windows reports the same then we know there is an issue in how efficient the driver is. If windows reports a higher bitrate then we can investigate why Linux driver isn't managing the same. Also - important - check that Windows is using the same 2.4GHz band. It
[14:10] <TJ-> could be using a 5.xGHz channel where higher bit rates are easier to achieve
[14:10] <Dbugger> TJ-, it should indeed be using the 5Ghz, with my router
[14:11] <Dbugger> TJ-, is there a way to find out if my card if using the 5Ghz frequency?
[14:11] <TJ-> Dbugger: So your Wifi AP is offering both 2.4 and 5.xGHz and Linux has chosen 2.4... right, that is useful info
[14:12] <Dbugger> TJ-, so then you think Ubuntu might not be using the 5GHz?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> fantomas, I'm have no experience with multiple monitors :/
[14:12] <TJ-> Dbugger: do "pastebinit ( sudo iwlist scan; iwlist freq )"
[14:12] <Dbugger> as root too?
[14:13] <TJ-> Dbugger: I already put 'sudo' in there :)
[14:13] <Dbugger> I get a parse error with that command. Did you made a syntax error?
[14:13] <TJ-> hah I did
[14:13] <TJ-> Dbugger: do "pastebinit <( sudo iwlist scan; iwlist freq )"
[14:13] <Dbugger> :)
[14:13]  * TJ- has cold fingers
[14:14] <Dbugger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TgFQMgzDc7/
[14:14] <Dbugger> Mmm... last line says "current frequency: 2.4..."
[14:14] <Dbugger> could that be it?
[14:15] <TJ-> Dbugger: You've got  FIVE APs all on channel 11!! Interference central
[14:15] <Dbugger> TJ-, not gonna lie... I have no idea what that means =P
[14:16] <TJ-> Dbugger: there are 5 different WiFi access points within range of your PC, all trying to operate on channel 11 (the same frequency as yours) ... that means they will interfere with each other causing lost packets and latency.
[14:17] <coconut> Is there any "nvidia prime" aka tool for amd cpu + amd gpu?
[14:17] <Dbugger> TJ-, but that problem should also happen with Windows, no?
[14:17] <TJ-> Dbugger: also, I only see 1 AP in the 5GHz band "o2-WLAN16" which I doubt is your FritzBox based on its SSID on 2.4GHz "FRITZ!Box 7362 SL"
[14:18] <Dbugger> TJ-, that is not me, you are right
[14:18] <TJ-> Dbugger: well only if Windows is also connecting on 2.4GHz. You said your believe your AP/router alo operates on 5GHz, so if Windows driver connects on that band there's unlikely to be much if any interference
[14:18] <Dbugger> TJ-, I KNOW my router operated on 5Ghz
[14:18] <Iarla> Has exFAT on linux improved much since 2012? Some comments I see online from that date caution against using it since it compared to other journalled filesystems.
[14:18] <Iarla> https://lifehacker.com/5927185/use-the-exfat-file-system-and-never-format-your-external-drive-again
[14:18] <TJ-> Dbugger: so I'd suggest first you confirm your AP/router *is* able to operate on 5GHz, and check that it *is* doing so
[14:19] <Dbugger> TJ-, i tried a lot. It is operating on 5Ghz, really
[14:19] <Dbugger> well, operating on both, I guess, since it is dual band =p
[14:20] <Dbugger> ups, I got disconnecting for 1 second, touching things... I am still here?
[14:20] <TJ-> Dbugger: Your PC isn't seeing it. That may be that the AP is operating on a channel (frequency) the PC is prevented from using (there are very stringent rules on what frequencies are allowed based on region code and active signal discovery)
[14:20] <TJ-> Dbugger: you are
[14:20]  * BluesKaj wonders if the windows driver scans for open channels and selects the least crowded one
[14:20] <Dbugger> TJ-, I swear it is operating on 5Ghz. I logged in into my fritzbox control panel and clearly showed the graph with the 5Ghz data transmision
[14:21] <TJ-> Dbugger: in that last pastebin, at the end, you'll see a list of all the channels the PC can use. Compare the channel numbers above 14 (which are 5GHz) with the channel the AP is using according to its config
[14:21] <Dbugger> not sure how to do that... :/
[14:22] <TJ-> Dbugger: you use the FritzBox control panel - you already said you could see it operating on 5GHz. It should also tell you which channel or frequency it is using
[14:23] <Dbugger> ok, that might take a moment... because I messed up the password of my fritzbox panel, and I seems like I have to do a factory reset to be able to get in
[14:23] <Dbugger> -_-
[14:25] <HaMsTeRs> Hello everyone
[14:25] <Dbugger> Im going to do it, brb
[14:26] <HaMsTeRs> I have one quick question:  if I installed a self sign cert with mokutil, would the self sign cert store in my build-in firmware's certificate database?  or it's store in the the mok database which is a separate file store in local disk?
[14:32] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: mokutil stores in the shim database
[14:36] <HaMsTeRs> Hi TJ- :)  nice to see you here.
[14:36] <HaMsTeRs> So shim database is store in hard disk right?  not in BIOS or machine firmware?
[14:44] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: I'd hope it was in the PC's NVRAM EFI variable database!
[14:45] <HaMsTeRs> hm.
[14:48] <dbugger_> TJ-, ok, im back
[14:48] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: Looking at te shim code, it uses the variables MokList and MokListRT to store the enabled keys and hashes
[14:48] <HaMsTeRs> so the boot order is like: Firmware UEFI check if shim is signed->SHIM check the local mok db (which stored in local hard disk) if GRUB2,KERNEL is signed->GRUB2->KERNEL->OS
[14:51] <dbugger_> TJ-, What was it that you wanted me to look at?
[14:51] <phunyguy> I got a weird one... Ramnode VPS, 16.04 to 18.04 upgrade, boots to a blank screen immediately after grub.  Completely frozen.. any ideas?
[14:52] <phunyguy> I was able to get in with a sysrescuecd, mout everything, chroot, all seemed well, reinstalled grub, recreaeted initramfs, etc.
[14:52] <phunyguy> no go.
[14:53] <TJ-> dbugger_: On the Access Point? what channel/frequency it is operating on
[14:53] <tomreyn> phunyguy: did you inspect the logs? was anything logged while it failed to boot?
[14:53] <dbugger_> TJ-, it is operatin on both 2.4 and 5
[14:54] <TJ-> dbugger_: right, but what channel/frequency in the 5GHz band?
[14:54] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: each layer checks the signature of the next executable it loads
[14:55] <dbugger_> TJ-, https://paste.pics/457AB
[14:55] <dbugger_> is that what you asked?
[14:55] <TJ-> HaMsTeRs: additionally, kernel will check it was loaded from a boot-loader that is honouring Secure Boot when that is enabled
[14:56] <TJ-> dbugger_: that seems to suggest it is operating on channel 52, using 80MHz bandwdith (covering 4 channels)
[14:56] <HaMsTeRs> I see, thanks TJ- :)
[14:57] <dbugger_> TJ-, is that good?
[14:59] <TJ-> dbugger_: it *seems* to include the 5GHx channels your earlier pastebin showed... however, I'm guessing you've rebooted the AP/router so it may be operating on a different channel now to what it was earlier. Show us "pastebinit <( sudo iwlist scan; iwlist freq )" again, lets see what it is doing now
[15:01] <dbugger_> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yHPNcM3qHY/
[15:03] <phunyguy> tomreyn: that was my next target, just didn't know if anyone had heard anythign similar
[15:05] <TJ-> dbugger_: I forgot to check which channel your PC is using! "pastebinit <( sudo iwconfig )"
[15:06] <dbugger_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ttFDHX6zpk/
[15:08] <TJ-> dbugger_: so, it's using channel 11 again, and no sign of the Fritz on channel 54. Either the Fritz is using channel widths wider than the PC wifi card can handle, or there's some driver issue. Let's find out what the device and driver are: "pastebinit <( lspci --nnk -d ::0280 )"
[15:09] <dbugger_> TJ-, I get an "invalid option -- '-'"
[15:09] <adikwok> hello seniors, i got many things to ask. since im newbie in ubuntu
[15:09] <TJ-> oh darn! lose the first hyphen ("-nnk")
[15:10] <adikwok> how to read that words in flying boot? .. wanna see what failed at boot start
[15:10] <TJ-> adikwok: "journalctl -b"
[15:10] <adikwok> im using ubuntu 18.04.1 lts . lxde desktop
[15:11] <dbugger_> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yGN3hSmyvr/
[15:11] <adikwok> TJ-: thx. i try it now
[15:12] <phunyguy> where does Ubuntu stash dmesg logs these days?
[15:13] <sobczyk_> is there a way to mutistrap multiach ubuntu? I'm trying with amd64 & armhf, but mutistrap does not respect that archive.ubuntu does not contain armhf packages
[15:13] <tomreyn> phunyguy: it's new to me, but i'm not into this host, nor do we know which virtualization they use
[15:13] <phunyguy> It's kvm
[15:13] <tomreyn> phunyguy: syslog is written to where it used to be
[15:13] <phunyguy> not syslog, that isn't showing anything
[15:13] <phunyguy> it's not making it that far
[15:14] <adikwok> TJ-: excuse me, now i can read with that words with journalctl -b . but i dont know how to fix the notifications.
[15:14] <adikwok> TJ-: things like this .. ata3.00: unexpected _GTF length (8)
[15:14] <tomreyn> phunyguy: there is also /var/log/journal/ if you have journalctl
[15:15] <phunyguy> nothing their either
[15:15] <phunyguy> there*
[15:15] <phunyguy> last thing was October 28th when this actually went down, just haven't had time to look at it
[15:15] <tomreyn> phunyguy: any out of bound access options?
[15:15] <phunyguy> I am VNCd in now to the console
[15:15] <tomreyn> *band
[15:15] <phunyguy> I know ☺
[15:16] <phunyguy> It's like it's hanging right after the kernel/initramfs are called
[15:16] <adikwok> TJ-: and many more down below that journalctl -b
[15:16] <TJ-> dbugger_: I thought I had the correct broadcom source here but it doesn't want to build against the 4.15 kernel. Let's find out which you've got. "pastebinit <( ls -l /etc/src/ )"
[15:16] <phunyguy> everything in /var/log has a timestamp of Oct 28th or older
[15:17] <adikwok> tomreyn: hello tom .. have a nice weekend
[15:17] <tomreyn> adikwok: thanks, you too!
[15:17] <dbugger_> TJ-, such forlder does not exist
[15:17] <TJ-> adikwok: is the PC a MacBook ?
[15:17] <adikwok> tomreyn: definitely
[15:18] <tomreyn> phunyguy: then either kernel image or initrd is broken or (unlikely, since it worked on 16.04) the virtual hardware is incompatile.
[15:18] <phunyguy> time for a new host it seems.
[15:18] <TJ-> dbugger_: really? Oh, so it isn't using the DKMS package then. How did you install the WiFi driver?
[15:18] <dbugger_> TJ-, i went to "software & updates" and installed the ones under "Additional drivers"
[15:18] <phunyguy> I was able to apt the latest kernel, which created a new init, and it was still broken
[15:19] <phunyguy> initramfs*
[15:19] <tomreyn> phunyguy: there are more options, including contacting their support, i guess. but also some you could try on your own.
[15:19] <TJ-> dbugger_: hmmm, let me figure out what that may have installed!
[15:19] <adikwok> TJ-: no, its acer 4315, intel celeron 1,73ghz, 80gb hdd. intel graphics integrated
[15:19] <phunyguy> tomreyn: I am up for anything.. chrooted to it now
[15:19] <tomreyn> phunyguy: it *could* also be that the grub installation didnt get upgraded during the ubuntu upgrade for some reason
[15:19] <dbugger_> TJ-, there it says "Using broadcom 802.11 Linux TSA wireless driver from bcmwl-kernel-source"
[15:20] <phunyguy> I did that too 😞
[15:21] <phunyguy> I'm just gonna go with a different provider I think and pull this install over rsync
[15:21] <tomreyn> phunyguy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot
[15:21] <phunyguy> regardless if I fix this one or not
[15:21] <TJ-> dbugger_: aha, right. Let me check that here. Not having a BRCM device makes it somewhat hard to track down
[15:22] <phunyguy> actually you may be on to something with grub
[15:22] <phunyguy> It's supposed to have a timeout where you see the menu, I never see it
[15:22] <phunyguy> increasing it to 10 to see.
[15:22] <TJ-> dbugger_: hmmm, weird. That package installs under /usr/src/ so my earlier command should have worked. Maybe I typoed? Oh, I did! I must be sleep-walking!
[15:22] <dbugger_> :D
[15:23] <dbugger_> so I change "etc" with "usr"?
[15:23] <TJ-> dbugger_: You don't need to now, I know where it is and I do have that code here
[15:23] <phunyguy> oh, nevermind, it's set to hidden
[15:23] <phunyguy> let me set to menu and try
[15:24] <TJ-> dbugger_: which kernel version are you using "uname -r" ?
[15:24] <TJ-> dbugger_: show us "pastebinit <( modinfo wl )"
[15:24] <ericrajuin> how do i paste screenshots?
[15:24] <dbugger_> TJ-, 4.15.0-39
[15:25] <dbugger_> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9dgtj5py5Z/
[15:25] <TJ-> dbugger_: strange; trying to build that module here for 4.15.0-38 fails miserably
[15:25] <phunyguy> tomreyn: that got it to show something though.  https://i.imgur.com/ewKisJi.png
[15:25] <phunyguy> this is where it is hanging
[15:26] <TJ-> dbugger_: I was hoping that 'wl' module had parameters ("parm") that would influence the choice of channels but I don't see anything there
[15:26] <tomreyn> phunyguy: right, i expected as much. see what the default kernel / boot parameters are
[15:26] <phunyguy> just lists the root fs, and "ro"
[15:27] <SimonNL> ericrajuin: you could use imgur.com for that.
[15:27] <dbugger_> TJ-, :(
[15:27] <tomreyn> phunyguy: can you take another screenie?
[15:27] <RazorSharpFang> Is there a good list I can run through for troubleshooting NAT on Ubuntu with IP-forwarding?
[15:28] <TJ-> dbugger_: so in summary, I'm not sure why the broadcom driver is not seing the AP is operating on a 5GHz channel, and I'd suspect that is the best way of avoiding the congestion and interference you've got on the 2.4GHz band, which is likely why the throughput seems to be lower. I'd recommend you reboot to Windows and discover which frequency/channel/bitrate it is using if Windows seems to do better
[15:28] <tomreyn> phunyguy: i'm wondering about the options passed on the 'linux' line
[15:28] <phunyguy> tomreyn: https://i.imgur.com/kC3uQ5P.png
[15:28] <TJ-> dbugger_: if Windows is operating on 5GHz that'd explain why it can do better
[15:28] <adikwok> TJ-: its an acer laptop 4315, intel celeron, 1,73 ghz, 80 gb hdd, intel graphics integrated.
[15:29] <dbugger_> TJ-, im not unhappy with the traffic coming from 2.4. It is actually quite good
[15:29] <dbugger_> but Id like to get to my 90s mbps :(
[15:29] <TJ-> adikwok: the error you showed seems to be related to a bug in the SATA disk controller. I see that in particular controller made by Marvel can exhibit this problem
[15:30] <adikwok> dbugger_: im using 5ghz
[15:30] <dbugger_> adikwok, probably other driver
[15:31] <tomreyn> phunyguy: okay so you have an lvm id, a file system uuid, and a file system path (/dev/mapper/system-root), all of which you can verify from a recovery system
[15:31] <tomreyn> phunyguy: i assume you already tried to boot into ubuntu's recovery and this failed? and you tried booting older kernel images, too?
[15:31] <phunyguy> I've had issues like that before, but it always shows an error if the IDs are night correct
[15:31] <adikwok> TJ-: how to get that Marvel driver?
[15:32] <ericrajuin> Hi, for some reason emojicons appear gigantic everywhere, the font is dejavu sans mono and the app is hexchat, but it's same in terminal and other places as well. How do i fix it? https://imgur.com/a/Qxkatrc
[15:32] <phunyguy> this started when I upgraded to 18.04 which at the time was <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:32] <phunyguy> IDs are not correct**
[15:32] <tomreyn> phunyguy: not correct? which ones aren't?
[15:32] <phunyguy> I was correcting my previous line:
[15:32] <phunyguy> I've had issues like that before, but it always shows an error if the IDs are not correct
[15:33] <BluesKaj> dbugger_, try changing channels on 2.4 ghz , try 1or 9 or some other unpopular chan , by no means use ch 6 , it's default on a lot of routers
[15:33] <phunyguy> I can humor you though
[15:33] <phunyguy> gimme a sec
[15:33] <dbugger_> BluesKaj, my AP is selecting automatically the channels for me
[15:33] <tomreyn> phunyguy: oh ok. well i suggest to verify these ids. a possible bug which comes to mind is one where older 4.15 kernels would get stuck at this point if there was an issue with the entropy pool
[15:34] <BluesKaj> dbugger_, doesn't hurt to experiment , my router scans as well , but i prefer to choose one that nobody else uses in the area
[15:35] <tomreyn> phunyguy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1779827
[15:35] <tomreyn> but this is old, should be fixed by now
[15:36] <phunyguy> tomreyn: reading through it, it looks like the system at least gets a system there
[15:36] <tomreyn> phunyguy: did you say your current / latest installed kernel is <IP_ADDRESS>? didn't you also say you chrooted into the system and installed the latest kernel?
[15:37] <phunyguy> err at least boots to a console
[15:37] <phunyguy> tomreyn: I upgraded on the 28th which had .30, chrooted in and apt full-upgrade, which brought in .39
[15:37] <phunyguy> both same issue
[15:37] <TJ-> adikwok: it isn't a case of getting a driver; that's not the point. Apparently there is a bug in the PC's firmware ACPI that is mis-reporting the _GTF value
[15:37] <phunyguy> also IDs are fine
[15:37] <phunyguy> just verified
[15:38] <tomreyn> phunyguy: hmm okay then it wont be this issue (based on the kernel version)
[15:38] <phunyguy> I'm gonna give this about 15 more minutes, and then I am giving up
[15:39] <tomreyn> ok, good luck
[15:39] <phunyguy> thanks for trying ☺
[15:39] <phunyguy> I really appreciate you all.
[15:39] <tomreyn> yw
[15:39] <adikwok> TJ-: oo .. ok, so i disable acpi-support or what?
[15:40] <TJ-> phunyguy: is your VPS OpenVZ or KVM?
[15:40] <phunyguy> TJ-: kvm
[15:40] <TJ-> phunyguy: and the VPS is configured to use the kernel you provide, not one provided outside the guest ?
[15:40] <phunyguy> and this was a fresh install of 16.04 at the time, not their image
[15:40] <phunyguy> correct
[15:40] <phunyguy> full virtualization
[15:41] <TJ-> phunyguy: right. And do you have network-KVM console (Keyboard/Video/Mouse not Kernel Virtual Machine!) so you can control GRUB ?
[15:41] <ioria> phunyguy, if you're sure that the upgrade to 18.04 it's not the issue, might be a kernel bug (like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1792100   ) in this case, can you install another kernel from mainline  ?
[15:41] <phunyguy> TJ-: yes
[15:42] <phunyguy> ioria: good find. let me try
[15:46] <TJ-> phunyguy: Have you tried disabling (via kernel command line) some of the recent speculative execution CVE workarounds? To have the kernel fail before it writes to console means the very early unpack/init code is failing. You could also try booting with "debug early_printk" (remove "quiet splash")  in case the kernel can get to a point of writing to console and give a clue
[15:46] <phunyguy> ;/
[15:46] <phunyguy> all valid things
[15:47] <RazorSharpFang> I'm running 16.04.4 LTS. Ought I to upgrade?
[15:47] <phunyguy> up t you RazorSharpFang
[15:48] <phunyguy> TJ-: nada on the debug early_printk
[15:48] <phunyguy> and there is no quiet splash
[15:49] <tomreyn> RazorSharpFang: first dist-upgrade within 16.04, and ppa-purge
[15:49] <TJ-> phunyguy: right, so GRUB may not be handing over correctly, or the kernel image is bad. Can you boot older kernels with the same GRUB ?
[15:49] <__0xbad_> hey
[15:49] <__0xbad_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[15:49] <phunyguy> I only have .30 and .39
[15:49] <__0xbad_> doesnt stick after reboot
[15:49] <__0xbad_> help?
[15:50] <TJ-> phunyguy: via a chroot can you install an older kernel package?
[15:51] <__0xbad_> lo?
[15:51] <phunyguy> yeah, how far back?
[15:52] <RazorSharpFang> Would a 12.04 networking tutorial for nat via IPTables hold in 16.04.4 ?
[15:53] <tomreyn> RazorSharpFang: i think so.
[15:53] <TJ-> phunyguy: is it using a 64-bit kernel? I was checking the archive for the oldest 4.15.0-* image, and it only has i386 images for that series!!
[15:54] <RazorSharpFang> `/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0` doesn't exist, what's the modern(er?) equivalent?
[15:54] <TJ-> phunyguy: oh! the naming has changed for 64-bit, it's now "linux-image-unsigned-*"
[15:55] <phunyguy> yeah 64bit
[15:56] <TJ-> phunyguy: you could "wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-20-generic_4.15.0-20.21_amd64.deb" and install that to test, which is the oldest 4.15 I can find
[15:56] <phunyguy> ok
[15:58] <TJ-> phunyguy: also you'll need "wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-modules-4.15.0-20-generic_4.15.0-20.21_amd64.deb"
[15:59] <phunyguy> The requested URL /ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-modules-4.15.0-20-generic_4.15.0-20.21_amd64.deb" was not found on this server.
[15:59] <TJ-> phunyguy: weird; I copy/pasted that
[16:00] <phunyguy> wget also can't get it, but different error.  I can ping google, etc
[16:00] <phunyguy> says network unreachable/connection refused
[16:00] <TJ-> phunyguy: I can get it here; must be something to do with the environment you're operating in
[16:01] <phunyguy> o.O I have two IPs
[16:01] <phunyguy> let me remove one.  Silly systemrescuecd
[16:01] <TJ-> phunyguy: hehehe
[16:01] <RazorSharpFang> Quick q: Will commands to iptables persist through restarts?
[16:01] <TJ-> RazorSharpFang: no
[16:01] <phunyguy> oh n/m, that's not it
[16:02] <TJ-> RazorSharpFang: you'll need something additional, like the iptables-persistent package, to do that
[16:02] <RazorSharpFang> That explains why everything broke during that power outage.
[16:03] <phunyguy> TJ-: https://i.imgur.com/bvU9LwS.png
[16:03] <phunyguy> iptables is empty, etc
[16:04] <TJ-> phunyguy: that is very weird
[16:04] <phunyguy> *nod*
[16:04] <tomreyn> try http nstead of https?
[16:05] <phunyguy> same thing
[16:05] <phunyguy> err
[16:05] <phunyguy> wait, it didn't remove the s.
[16:05] <phunyguy> fail.
[16:05] <phunyguy> 404 that time, let me check for typos
[16:05] <phunyguy> yup, got some _ instead of .
[16:07] <phunyguy> got it
[16:07] <TJ-> phunyguy: try pulling it from my server: "wget http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/kernel/linux-modules-4.15.0-20-generic_4.15.0-20.21_amd64.deb"
[16:07] <phunyguy> I got it ☺
[16:07] <TJ-> phunyguy: yay!
[16:07] <phunyguy> I need the modules package too 😞
[16:07] <TJ-> phunyguy: so you have both packages now? so "dpkg -I ."
[16:08] <phunyguy> Oh I missed that line
[16:08] <tomreyn> TJ-: there is also -40 in proposed, might be worth another try.
[16:08] <TJ-> bah, phunyguy , that should be "dpkg -iR ."
[16:09] <TJ-> tomreyn: right; I thought we'd work backwards first since if it is an unfixed regression the later kernel won't help
[16:09] <phunyguy> ok it's installing
[16:09] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'm not seeing anything in the changelogs to indicate a fix of such a bug
[16:09] <tomreyn> TJ-: right, i guess i'd just install both at the same time, less chroot rebooting that way.
[16:10] <coconut> Would i be able to get TFT's with 32 inch+ HDPI wide screens working on ubuntu?
[16:10] <TJ-> tomreyn: good point :)
[16:10] <phunyguy> yup, that's booting!
[16:10] <phunyguy> yay kernel bugs
[16:10] <TJ-> coconut: that depends on the GPU rather than the OS itself
[16:10] <TJ-> phunyguy: I think you probably need to *me too* that bug ioria found for you, and report what has just happened
[16:11] <phunyguy> ok
[16:11] <TJ-> phunyguy: ensure Joeseph know you're using a KVM host
[16:11] <phunyguy> before I do anything, let me stop unnatended-upgrades
[16:11] <coconut> TJ-: you mean that i would need a bigger GPU?
[16:11] <phunyguy> I need this box to be up right now.
[16:11] <TJ-> coconut: The GPU is what drives the monitor, so if you want to drive it at maximum HiDPI resolutions, the GPU needs to support those modes
[16:13] <coconut> TJ-: ok :) Do you know whether an nvidia GTX 1080Ti would do this?
[16:13] <jpleau> is there an option in 18.04 (gnome) to disable windows getting focus when they have notifications? This mostly applies to Wine applications, getting a message in-game switches the focus to the game window
[16:15] <coconut> Or so i need such nvidia card in SLI then?
[16:15] <coconut> *do
[16:15] <TJ-> coconut: I would assume so but you've not told us what the resolution of the monitor actually is. You really need to check Nvidia's specifications for the GPU
[16:16] <phunyguy> TJ-: tomreyn: ioria: TY!  I have something to work with now.
[16:16] <phunyguy> don't like using older kernels on public facing machines, but I think I can handle it for a little while.
[16:16] <tomreyn> welcome, but it was really tj who helped you fix it, i had given up hope to see you succeed in 15min
[16:17] <coconut> :) thank you TJ-. Sometimes i really cannot live without you...
[16:17] <phunyguy> tomreyn: ☺
[16:19] <phunyguy> the weird part is, I am on 16.04 on it's identical twin, with 4.15.0-39 kernel
[16:19] <TJ-> phunyguy: but not in a KVM guest?
[16:19] <phunyguy> same thing
[16:19] <phunyguy> KVM
[16:20] <TJ-> phunyguy: really? can you check if they're both using the same cpu/chipset selection?
[16:20] <phunyguy> just different datacenter (redundancy)
[16:20] <TJ-> phunyguy: that would be a VERY useful datapoint for the bug report
[16:20] <phunyguy> using QEMU vCPU
[16:20] <TJ-> phunyguy: how about the chipset they're emulating?
[16:20] <phunyguy> OH wait
[16:20] <TJ-> phunyguy: often it is i440FX
[16:21] <phunyguy> Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 V2 @ 3.40GHz
[16:21] <phunyguy> that's the broken one
[16:21] <phunyguy> I should upgrade to 18.04 on the working one, and I bet it still works.
[16:22] <TJ-> phunyguy: it may be what I originally said; the speculative execution patches + microcode versions - attaching the dmesg from the now-working system to the bug would help there
[16:22] <phunyguy> yeah will do
[16:22] <phunyguy> are these ubuntu-specific patches?
[16:22] <phunyguy> bugs		: cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2
[16:23] <phunyguy> that's in /proc/cpuinfo
[16:23] <tomreyn> i think most if not all major distro ś have taken te same aproach to contain those cpu bugs.
[16:23] <TJ-> phunyguy: no, they're mainline workarounds
[16:23] <tomreyn> microcodes will be the same whereever they're used
[16:24] <phunyguy> ahh
[16:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: only if they're applied on the hosts
[16:25] <TJ-> tomreyn: there have been some regression in that area when using KVM
[16:25] <tomreyn> gooooog point
[16:25] <tomreyn> gooD
[16:30] <phunyguy> added my junk to the bug
[16:30] <phunyguy> thanks folks
[17:05] <phunyguy> TJ-: the twin is now broken after upgrading.
[17:05] <phunyguy> same issue.
[17:05] <phunyguy> must be specific to 18.04 and that kernel
[17:05] <phunyguy> what would be different in that regard with the kernel/initramfs builds?
[17:24] <tomreyn> phunyguy: i'm not sure you ever confirmed this, so maybe it makes sense to ask again: did you ensure that the updated grub boot code was actually installed to the disk?
[17:25] <tomreyn> i'm not certain as to how or whether they differ between 16.04 and 18.04 but it's well possible that they do.
[17:43] <TJ-> phunyguy: I wonder if it is SMT related; I'd be tempted to test with "nosmt=force"
[17:58] <spl33n> hello all i want to use javafx in ubuntu 18.10 but if i try to compile javafx program i have this issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QYv5QTQvxM/ someone can help to fix this ?
[18:00] <brendel> hi, I can't find the kernel symbols package on the last 18.04
[18:01] <brendel> shoudln't it be linux-image-4.15.0-39-generic-dbgsym ?
[18:09] <ioria> brendel, have you seen this ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[18:09] <TJ-> brendel: is it for the amd64 kernel?
[18:10] <ioria> spl33n, and openjfx is installed ?
[18:10] <BarnabasDK> spl33n, answer on stackoverflow
[18:10] <TJ-> brendel: in which case they're now named linux-image-unsigned (due to EFI) and you'd want linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-39-generic-dbgsym
[18:10] <BarnabasDK> really has nothing to do with ubuntu
[18:11] <BarnabasDK> but yes a cp issue
[18:11] <spl33n> ioria: yes http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r3Fw7Wx6Tr/
[18:12] <ioria> spl33n, default-jre  is also installed right ?
[18:13] <BarnabasDK> depends on the version
[18:13] <BarnabasDK> ioria, depends on the version I think
[18:13] <spl33n> ioria: yes
[18:13] <brendel> ah yeah didn't see there was other repo for dbgsym package thx ioria TJ-
[18:13] <ioria> brendel, you're welcm
[18:14] <spl33n> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vnVbts8fBh/
[18:22] <ioria> spl33n, are you using and ide (eg, IntelliJ) or the command line ?
[18:23] <spl33n> ioria: i use the command line
[18:25] <sonOfRa> spl33n: you still have to put javafx on your classpath. Also mind this bug in 18.10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjfx/+bug/1799946
[18:29] <sonOfRa> spl33n: also, starting with java 11, javafx is modularized, and you can just depend on it in maven/gradle/ivy: https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.openjfx
[18:31] <spl33n> sonOfRa: okay thank you for your answer
[18:31] <Iarla> Does gparted find fragmented parts and move them when I'm decreasin a partition size? I'd imagine the data could be anywhere physically.
[18:32] <bonhoeffer> hey -- i'm trying to connect ubuntu to my mac -- i can ping and disabled journaling, installed hfsplus but what is my /dev/sd?? and /mnt
[18:33] <bonhoeffer> i'll take a good link -- poking around there are lots of questions about this, but nothing showing how to find the mount point
[18:34] <vlt> bonhoeffer: df could tell you
[18:34] <bonhoeffer> from a windows machine, i can connect to the drive -- so security/connectivity/etc works well
[18:35] <bonhoeffer> thinking smb applies here and not hfsprogs
[18:36] <bonhoeffer> vlt: df?
[18:41] <bonhoeffer> do i have to create an empty folder at /mnt/myFile
[18:43] <tgm4883> bonhoeffer: you want smb (cifs) not hfsprogs if you're connecting to the share over the network
[18:44] <bonhoeffer> tgm4883: thanks -- that helps
[18:44] <tgm4883> bonhoeffer: I don't have any Mac's to test with, but you might try this https://askubuntu.com/a/925454
[18:44] <bonhoeffer> trying mount .cifs and i get "No such device"
[18:45] <bonhoeffer> oh i'm connecting to //<IP_ADDRESS>/ not //<IP_ADDRESS>/ShareName -- i need to find what the sharename is on the mac
[18:54] <ioria> spl33n, have you tried to add  it manually  ? --add-modules=javafx.controls,javafx.fxml   (or similar)
[18:54] <DJones> i
[18:54] <spl33n> ioria: in the command line ?
[18:55] <spl33n> ioria: no
[19:02] <ioria> spl33n, i think you need to place the JavaFX libraries on the classpath
[19:03] <spl33n> ioria: you how can i do this ? where i found javafx jar that i put in classpath ?
[19:07] <ioria> spl33n, try locate jfxrt
[19:08] <BarnabasDK> if you use it, add to your build tool as a compile dependency / gradle / maven
[19:10] <spl33n> ioria: locate jfxrt return nothing
[19:11] <ioria> spl33n, sudo updatedb and try again
[19:11] <TJ-> spl33n: have you installed javafx?
[19:12] <TJ-> spl33n: if so, for your build environment, have you set JAVAFX_HOME= correctly?
[19:13] <coconut> Is there any app which advise when to charge a laptop's battery?
[19:14] <ioria> spl33n, that ^ probably,or something like this : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/djYZmFQZgp/
[19:15] <OerHeks> coconut, never heard of one, not even on windows/mac
[19:16] <coconut> OerHeks: there is https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/   but for mac.
[19:16] <OerHeks> you charge it when you want to, advisable is not to charge it all the time, that makes the battery lame
[19:17] <coconut> OerHeks: yes my lap sometimes halt at once at 40% at the moment. :(
[19:17] <OerHeks> there is a standard battery status, https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/power-status.html.en
[19:17] <OerHeks> but not an app that tells you when to charge
[19:18] <coconut> ok, thank you OerHeks :)
[19:20] <RandomNoob> Hello guys I have laptop Hp probook 455 g1 with amd a4-4300m processor. It works perfectly without any issues on Ubuntu but when I am trying to install Windows it reboots randomly while using it. What might be the problem?
[19:22] <compdoc> RandomNoob, you should check the drives SMART, to see if its failing
[19:22] <OerHeks> RandomNoob, ask in ##windows?
[19:22] <OerHeks> loz noob
[19:22] <coconut> OerHeks: another quesiton. Does it configurably prompt one?
[19:23] <OerHeks> compdoc, i would do a memtest86 run, but he is using windows..
[19:23] <spl33n> ioria: now i can compile but i try to launch i have this issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MrMx34cxJ8/
[19:24] <compdoc> OerHeks, thats good to do too
[19:24] <OerHeks> coconut, "Does it configurably prompt one?"  what does that mean?
[19:24] <RandomNoob> memtest passed without any error
[19:24] <OerHeks> battery status is just an information page, iirc
[19:24] <compdoc> you can boot memtest86 or memtest86+ directly, or run the one in the ubuntu install
[19:25] <coconut> OerHeks: means that i would like to be messaged before the battery gets to empty and shut down on itself.
[19:25] <coconut> *too
[19:26] <PsyRabbit> Someone know why iscsitarget (ietd) is not in 18.04 LTS? The LIO performance is not enough, ietd has better tuning options. Where can I find information why it's no longer in the official repo's? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iscsitarget
[19:26] <coconut> at let say 5%, so i can get it charging again.
[19:26] <OerHeks> my laptop gives a red battery on the panel ( gnome) when time comes below 10 minutes or so
[19:26] <coconut> ok... :)
[19:26] <OerHeks> but i like to drain my battery from time to time, to keep it healthy
[19:27] <coconut> And such indication is without any sound or screen massage?
[19:29] <ioria> spl33n,  at this point maybe you need #java channel
[19:29] <coconut> with screen message i mean a popup slide
[19:29] <spl33n> ioria: yes, sorry thant you for your help
[19:31] <ioria> spl33n,  no proble,gl
[19:35] <OerHeks> coconut, i don't know that feature, just checked laptopmodetools, there is a MINIMUM_BATTERY_CHARGE_PERCENT but that does not popup a window
[19:36] <coconut> ok, thnx OerHeks ;)
[19:36] <OerHeks> https://github.com/rickysarraf/laptop-mode-tools/wiki/FAQ
[19:37] <RickRNF> How does 18.04 handle Nvidia mobile GPUs? do you need to reboot to swap between Nvidia and Intel graphics?
[19:37] <coconut> :)
[19:47] <texla> How to list directories in sda1
[19:53] <phunyguy> tomreyn: On the first broken on, I reinstalled grub to the disk.. is that what you are asking?
[20:05] <t0mm4> i'm trying to access localhost after enabling a vpn, does anyone have experience doing this?
[20:07] <vlt> t0mm4: Maybe.
[20:07] <TJ-> t0mm4: in what way are you trying to 'access' it? What service?
[20:07] <t0mm4> browser
[20:08] <t0mm4> i'm trying to access an http server via localhost
[20:09] <TJ-> t0mm4: is the http server actually listening on localhost (which I assume you mean <IP_ADDRESS>) ?
[20:09] <t0mm4> yes, it's working without the vpn enabled
[20:10] <t0mm4> i'm using nordvpn if it makes a difference
[20:10] <TJ-> t0mm4: are you sure the 'VPN' isn't also setting up some kind of HTTP proxy?
[20:11] <t0mm4> do some vpns do that by default?
[20:12] <TJ-> t0mm4: it isn't a VPN function, but these "VPN services" sometimes include other functionality which is why I ask. Can you connect to the HTTP server from the command-line?
[20:12] <t0mm4> it is!
[20:13] <t0mm4> i thought it wasn't, because it's a paid service
[20:13] <t0mm4> but it's included with the trial
[20:16] <TJ-> t0mm4: test it from the CLI with telnet; as in "telnet localhost <port>" then type "GET / HTTP/1.0" press Enter twice see if you get the expected response
[20:21] <t0mm4> it's saying couldn't resolve
[20:21] <t0mm4> (without the vpn connected)
[20:22] <TJ-> t0mm4: have you changed the /etc/hosts so that "localhost" is set to something else?
[20:23] <TJ-> t0mm4: it should have "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost"
[20:23] <t0mm4> no
[20:24] <t0mm4> i've changed it, if it requires a reboot
[20:24] <t0mm4> changed it then changed it back*
[20:25] <tomreyn> phunyguy: yes thats what i meant
[20:26] <TJ-> t0mm4: localhost should never be changed; that is asking for trouble
[20:28] <iceiceice> hi, I recently upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, I've had a lot of problems where the gnome panel in the upper right is broken and I can't see battery life or use wifi properly anymore
[20:29] <iceiceice> i've been like googling and stuff, a lot of things say to do `sudo nm-applet` in command line
[20:29] <iceiceice> but that doesn't even really fix it, it struggles to connect to things
[20:30] <iceiceice> is there any other recommendable way to adjust wifi network in ubuntu than using the gnome nm manager?
[20:31] <ioria> iceiceice, how can you use nm-applet on bionic while it does not exist anymore ?
[20:31] <TJ-> iceiceice: firstly, you shouldn't need 'sudo' to re-run nmapplet; that runs as your user account
[20:32] <TJ-> ioria: it does exist!
[20:33] <TJ-> !info network-manager-gnome bionic
[20:33] <ioria> TJ-, really ?
[20:35] <iceiceice> TJ-: I agree
[20:35] <iceiceice> I've read a lot of posts like this:
[20:35] <iceiceice> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031950/can-t-get-network-applet-back-in-ubuntu-mate-18-04
[20:35] <iceiceice> none of these "tweaks" seem to work for me
[20:37] <TJ-> iceiceice: when it happens have you tried restarting the network-manager service itself?
[20:37] <iceiceice> how do i do that?
[20:37] <TJ-> iceiceice: "sudo systemctl reload-or-restart network-manager"
[20:38] <iceiceice> TJ- fwiw I found some advice here that got my wifi working again: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/18-04-has-no-network-icon/16203/7
[20:38] <iceiceice> the " I solved this in 18.04 final by adding to Panel ‘Indicator Applet Complete’ — it has Bluetooth, Network, Battery, Volume and Session. The old ‘Notification Area’ is still there, and it has Skype showing. At first everything else was missing, but now Volume has showed up again. I have 2 Volume controls, which I can ignore."
[20:38] <iceiceice> it's a bit wierd because now all the power and network stuff is on the left instead of the upper right
[20:38] <iceiceice> so whatever gnome applet is supposed to work in the upper right is still broken
[20:39] <iceiceice> i will try restarting network-manager like you say, i might lose connection then :)
[20:39] <TJ-> iceiceice: no, that shouldn't break existing connections
[20:39] <iceiceice> ok thx
[20:52] <OerHeks> sudo snap install windows10
[20:59] <ubobtu> Is there a linux certification program that employers want to see?
[21:00] <ikonia> ubobtu: not for this channel please
[21:01] <ikonia> this is a support channel for ubuntu
[21:01] <ubobtu> ok sorry
[21:01] <ikonia> not a problem
[21:13] <WoC-> ubobtu, you may want to try ##linux if you have not already
[21:26] <drecondius> I'm having an issue with an iMac, the installer has hung multiple times at roughly 80%. same with the mac restore, am I missing something or are there some parameters I need to use to install it?
[21:27] <drecondius> err, install ubuntu mate. I can't get into the live environment without adding nomodeset
[21:32] <coconut> drecondius: for mac issues got to #macosx
[21:32] <OerHeks> #macos is not helpfull with linux
[21:33] <OerHeks> drecondius, what imac model? what duide do you follow? i believe nomodeset is needed
[21:33] <coconut> oh, then i dit not read well. Sorry.
[21:34] <coconut> *did
[21:35] <drecondius> @OerHeks it's a 2010 i believe. I can't boot the os because it's hung on what i can only guess is an install, but Ubuntu keeps haning at about the same percentage as well. I know, the one time I booted it up it's one with an i3 at 3.2 and an amd hd something video, 4 gb ram
[21:38] <drecondius> can I get the model from the macOS Utilities loader?
[21:49] <l14d35> hello
[21:50] <OerHeks> drecondius, besides nomodeset, i wonder if that 'hang' is just a download of updates, of configuring grub
[21:56] <drecondius> well, when i go to add nomodeset i have to wait and move characters indivdually instead of holding  and it zooming to the end like it does on my alienware
[22:01] <drecondius> lemme see if i can find an efi memtest to run
[22:46] <SleePy> Did a apt upgrade.  Have a single package that is not downloading from a repo.  Any thoughts on how I can tell it to just skip this package without aborting the "apt upgrade" command?
[22:48] <OerHeks> SleePy, not. what package from what repo exactly? i asume a ppa
[22:49] <SleePy> zabbix
[22:49] <SleePy> 97% [86 zabbix-server-mysql 1,244 kB/1,901 kB 65%]                                                                                2,726 B/s 18min 9s
[22:49] <OerHeks> maybe the mirror is updating, try again updating in a minute?
[22:50] <SleePy> Its been running about 5 minutes to try and get that package
[22:50] <SleePy> Was hoping I could issue a key command and have it just skip that package for now..
[22:51] <SleePy> But guess I will wait it out.  Could abort the command, but may make apt mad..  Don't feel up to fixing that right now if it does
[22:52] <OerHeks> sudo apt install -f / or run updates again should fix broken updates
[22:53] <hggdh> SleePy: the package is downloading at about 2kbytes/sec. It will take some time at that speed
[22:53] <SleePy> Its at 92%.. But yea
[22:56] <SleePy> Finally got it.
[23:13] <OerHeks> !googl .
[23:24] <bipul> I just wants to confirm that is it correct setting for preseed file https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[23:25] <bipul> I'm this configuration for /isolinux/isolinux.cfg is working for Ubuntu server 18.04 ?
[23:25] <bipul> I mean to say this configuration for /isolinux/isolinux.cfg is working for Ubuntu server 18.04 ?
[23:27] <bipul> The configuration written for /isolinux/isolinux.cfg  at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization is tested and working for Ubuntu  server 18.04 ?
[23:29] <OerHeks> you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server, but i see no 18.04 on that page, and comments about 16.04 ...
[23:30] <bipul> OerHeks, Ubuntu-server is silent at this moment. Yes even i feel Documentations are not updated.
[23:32] <OerHeks> cubic can customize the server iso https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-iso-with-cubic/
[23:33] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1775590
[23:35] <bipul> kernel is at /casper/vmlinuz as per 18.04 .iso image
[23:35] <bipul> I'm afraid this settings are very old
[23:36] <OerHeks> try it out in kvm/virtualbox??
[23:37] <bipul> Many things are setup on Virtualbox i can't move on kvm
[23:39] <bipul> I believe that's not a genuine bug 1775590 that person who ever tested lack the settings
[23:41] <OerHeks> so, try cubic?