[23:37] <tarwich> phaidros: That works perfectly, but I don't know "how to use it"
[23:37] <newby> phaidros: if i run it with "cat /etc/apt/sources.list <<EOF" on line 7 it only cats the content of /etc/apt/sources.list to the terminal
[23:37] <countz> graft: but they also don't go away when I mouse over, they remain there forever
[23:37] <countz> Praxi: I come from the Mac where clicking on it brings the relevant app to the foreground
[23:38] <tarwich> phaidros: It wants me to setup the swap + boot + root partitions all manually and I have no idea how.
[23:38] <lotrpy> hello, I want to customize ubuntu cd, modify source.list, add some package when install, and make it a unattended(automatic) iso. which document should I read?
[23:38] <MrCongress> What's the most complicated task you can do on terminal command?
[23:38] <bandit5432> lotrpy, look at ubuntubuilder
[23:38] <anonymous3141593> lotrpy: check out ubuntu customization kit
[23:38] <Zopiac_> MrCongress: Anything you can think of, pretty much
[23:38] <phaidros> newby: sry, cat > /etc/apt/sources.list <<EOF
[23:38] <MrCongress> What are the benefits of knowing the terminal?
[23:38] <Praxi> countz, ya exactly :)  if you don't put your mouse over it, it normally goes away on its own.  ubuntu tweak probably has something to change the hover time,  but have never looked.
[23:38] <lotrpy> bandit5432 and anonymous3141593, thanks, let me check.
[23:39] <anonymous3141593> woah ubuntu builder looks awesome, gonna try that out
[23:39] <phaidros> tarwich: hm, indeed unexpected behaviour ..
[23:39] <Zopiac_> MrCongress: Insane levels of diagnostics, great performance of tasks, and extremely versatile
[23:39] <MrCongress> Thanks that was great
[23:39] <tarwich> MrCongress: In the terminal things tend to not move so much. In a GUI, you have to know WHAT a button does, and it might get moved or renamed later, meaning you have to relearn it. In terminal the commands tend to stay the same.
[23:39] <phaidros> MrCongress: for bomb
[23:39] <phaidros> MrCongress: forkbomb
[23:40] <MrCongress> tarwich: , implying what
[23:40] <taxman> i wrote a forkbomb in bash
[23:40] <bandit5432> anonymous3141593, its coming along nicely have been using it for a couple of months
[23:40] <simplew> can anyone help me with text installer, i cant go with encrypted partitions
[23:40] <MrCongress> I plan to learn every technical aspect of it
[23:40] <Igmu> I lost sound somewhere from 10.04 live cd to install & upgrade to 12.04 lts. I tried http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1863271 but no sound. Can I get help troubleshooting?
[23:40] <Zopiac_> MrCongress: That's quite the large undertaking
[23:40] <walbert> MrCongress: It really depends on how much you use your computer, and what kind of work you do.  If you don't care about doing much other than checking Facebook - there's probably not much for you.
[23:41] <en1gma> sucks that this old laptop dont let me boot from usb (where my 12.04 is) i only have an 11.04 cd...im gonna have to do a dist upgrade to 11.10 and then to 12.04 can someone recommend a fast repo
[23:41] <phaidros> MrCongress: look for "aliens bash tutorial" for a start
[23:41] <MrCongress> I plan on building a search engine with ubuntu
[23:41] <MrCongress> If linux can sharpen my mind in the process, then great.
[23:42] <walbert> MrCongress: You'll have to learn a whole lot more than "Terminal" for that :)
[23:42] <Zopiac_> Has anyone gotten a webcam application to focus webcams? I've been trying to get this to work for a long time with no success
[23:42] <theborger> what does everyone use to stream mp3, on there local LAN?
[23:42] <phaidros> walbert: saerch engine in bash seems possible.
[23:42] <phaidros> theborger: mpd
[23:42] <Zopiac_> phaidros: I'd like to see that
[23:43] <phaidros> Zopiac_: given enoug cores and ram you can do anything in bash :D
[23:43] <Zopiac_> :D
[23:43] <Praxi> Zopiac_, zoneminder?
[23:43] <ichat> can anyone help me figure out how to get my system GF6200, to boot into grafic mode..
[23:43] <simplew> can anyone help me with text installer, i cant go with encrypted partitions
[23:44] <Zopiac_> Praxi: I'll check it out
[23:44] <arand> en1gma: I think you can let the software sources application choose the faster for you
[23:44] <phaidros> simplew: what do you mean by "i can't go with"
[23:44] <Praxi> Zopiac_, probably way overkill but they do have a very helpful irc channel with people who talk ALOT about cameras
[23:44] <TH0MAS_> im looking for some help with vsftpd
[23:44] <TH0MAS_> if possible
[23:44] <phaidros> TH0MAS_: dont ask to ask
[23:45] <LinuxGuy2009> I have some offline machines that I downloaded the entire Lucid repository for. I have the packages sorted in folders such as main, multiverse, restricted, universe. The packages started out all in the root of each folder of the section it belongs in. (No idea if this is correct thinking or practice.) I am using reprepro and am currently running it in each of these folders to create a proper organized package pool. My question is how do
[23:45] <Zopiac_> Praxi: All right, thanks. Nothing has been able to get this logitech sphere to focus, not even guvcview
[23:45] <simplew> [phaidros] in the install i have created the encrypted partitions but when i choose to activate encrypted partitions returns to main partition menu and does not ask for the passphrase
[23:46] <phaidros> simplew: hm, strange. try redoing the whole thing. sry, cant rememeber the exact steps and so cant tell you if that behaviour you are experienceing is expected
[23:46] <jagginess> driconf fails..
[23:46] <jagginess> :// ?
[23:46] <en1gma> that is cool just did that. thanks
[23:47] <BlueJayWay> Good evening, everyone.
[23:47] <TH0MAS_> What is the best way to manage user permissions for vsftpd
[23:47] <TH0MAS_> I have it using local users for logins
[23:47] <TH0MAS_> I want certain users to be able to access other folders in the home directory
[23:48] <WOLFRAM> Have no fear, Wolfram is here
[23:48] <TH0MAS_> I see no way to control this
[23:48] <lc> ok
[23:48] <wawowe> TH0MAS_: folders outside of their home directories?
[23:48] <TH0MAS_> yes
[23:48] <WOLFRAM> Mathematica > Ubuntu, says Wolfram
[23:49] <f0urtyfive> phaidros: fyi your first instinct was right, i couldnt get it to work with mdadm --create, but mdadm --build creates a raid w/o writing anything :)
[23:49] <wiherek> how can I check which processes start at boot (via terminal?)
[23:49] <MrCongress> Who is considered the best problem solver on ubuntu?
[23:49] <dale> Anyone know how to change the launcher to be at the bottom?
[23:49] <phaidros> f0urtyfive: yeah!
[23:49] <TH0MAS_> right now they are not stuck int he home directory they can move around
[23:49] <BlueJayWay> MrCongress, he's name is kaned.
[23:49] <BlueJayWay> his
[23:49] <MrCongress> need to study him
[23:49] <TH0MAS_> but they cant get into some directories which I would like them to be able to
[23:50] <f0urtyfive> phaidros: so, setup loop devices with the offset to avoid the metadata, create a raid with the right stripe size with mdadm --build, and I have hardware ARECA raid running in software :D
[23:50] <WOLFRAM> There would be no problems in a mathematica world
[23:50] <newby> phaidros:  you were almost right i jut had to redirect the output of cat to the file with "cat > /etc/apt/sources.list <<EOF"
[23:50] <Myrtti> !offtopic | MrCongress, WOLFRAM
[23:50] <WOLFRAM> just saying
[23:50] <phaidros> f0urtyfive: *snicker* thats fonny :)
[23:50] <wawowe> TH0MAS_: I don't think there is an option for that, but I would give the special users all the same home directory and put the directory tree you want them to have access to in there
[23:50] <MrCongress> sorry can i talk to u in pm about it Myrtti
[23:50] <f0urtyfive> phaidros: it probably would be funny if my raid 10 didnt fail :(
[23:50] <phaidros> newby: I wrote just that as my last answer 1o minutes ago ;)
[23:50] <TH0MAS_> would it be better to use a different FTP server
[23:51] <phaidros> f0urtyfive: I bear with ya
[23:51] <WOLFRAM> !rude | Myrtti
[23:51] <phaidros> f0urtyfive: now backups, later redo the whole box ... I hate those days :)
[23:51] <f0urtyfive> phaidros: lol
[23:51] <aperson> PENISFACE
[23:51] <f0urtyfive> phaidros: currently the plan is to squeeze every bit I can off the failed disk :/
[23:52] <phaidros> THOMAS_: if you dont need ftp I would recommend sftp/scp jails with openssh.
[23:52] <f0urtyfive> phaidros: THEN backups
[23:52] <phaidros> f0urtyfive: thats the category "backup"
[23:52] <phaidros> ah~!
[23:52] <phaidros> uh
[23:52] <phaidros> bad :)
[23:53] <phaidros> THOMAS_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590
[23:53] <newby> phaidros: thank you very much that worked
[23:53] <phaidros> newby: great!
[23:53] <javierf_> Hi! I installed ubuntu 12.04 beta2 and should have now the final release. But can't get the new logoff dialog (with unity look-like) neither data time new appeareance. Shouldn't I have the final release if I installed every actualization since beta2? Thanks!
[23:54] <thomas> This the channel for some user support :)
[23:54] <jagginess> driconf works for anybody?
[23:54] <simplew> [phaidros] isnt there any howto explaining the sequence?
[23:54] <phaidros> javierf_: hm, what is so special about the logoff dialog? (/me is wondering, since I upgraded from early beta as well)
[23:55] <Fyodorovna> thomas, yes.
[23:55] <phaidros> thomas: well perceived!
[23:55] <jagginess> (apt-get install driconf)
[23:55] <javierf_> phaidros, http://www.taringa.net/posts/linux/14320623/Ubuntu-12_04_-el-nuevo-diseno-para-configuracion.html (sorry that's in spanish). It's just the look
[23:56] <ichat> can anyone help me figure out how to get my system GF6200, to boot into grafic mode..    appending  :     vga=771    not working in grub,  any other ideas...
[23:56] <phaidros> javierf_: thats indeed fancy
[23:56] <thomas> I'm in a bit of a bind and I'm not even sure if this is were to ask but it's a start. I got a server with over 2k emails accounts (I'm trying to figure out how to find out when users last popped email from me so I can remove ones that are >6months old anyone got any advice? or point me in the right direction?
[23:56] <phaidros> javierf_: how is it triggered?
[23:57] <phaidros> thomas: you might be better of in #ubuntu-server, but I try anyways: parse logfiles, write to some kind of database and let cron do its job
[23:58] <thomas> phaidros, thanks man :)
[23:58] <javierf_> phaidros, the blog says it's just activated in the new precise. But I don't have those changes in my desktop
[23:58] <aardmark> here's a puzzler - I copied files onto a thumb-drive from a Mac, but on my ubuntu box they're all owned by 99:99, and I can't take ownership of them... my chown and chmod attempts (with sudo) don't seem to get me anywhere... thoughts?
[23:59] <eterminal> Do you have another channels for ubuntu development and special projects ?
[23:59] <simplew> [phaidros] when in the partitioning part, i first choose to encrypt the partitions and then i choose to activate them to choose the mount points?=
[23:59] <eterminal> support for the LTSP and other development ? Or im in the right channel for this ?


[08:49] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Anyone having 14.10 seemingly randomly slow to an absolute crawl
[08:49] <Akiva-Thinkpad> to the point where you can barely enter another tty?
[08:50] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and where the mouse movement is incredibly slow
[14:43] <johnjohn101> anything new i should look for?
[15:25] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:22] <basketball> !wir
[18:36] <sine0> hi there. i tried to upgrade to 14.10 and it borked me. its only a fresh install so i have nothing to lose however im struggling to get the ubuntu disk to boot so i can do a fresh install
[18:37] <sine0> i just want to wipe and start fresh again and stick with default
[18:38] <sine0> everytime i boot it just asks for my drive encryption password
[18:38] <sine0> hopefully i can just overwrite all this data on the harddrive with a fresh isntall correct?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> sine0, if you want to wipe the drive completely format it during the install , or use a live cd like gparted to format the drive first then try the install
[20:16] <sine0> blueyed: as per earlier i just installed over it again and ticked the box that said zero all the drive or fill out the drive. im assuming it will take over it all
[20:16] <sine0> im back on a working distro anyway
[20:16] <sine0> 14.04
[20:16] <sine0> its only that i wanted to install a few programs that were recently released


[01:34] <wookey> infinity: I just build eglibc current-raring with DEB_BUILD_PROFILE=stage1 and only got a libc-dev:arm64 package - all the other packages gave a dpkg-genchanges: warning: package libc6 in control file but not in files list
[01:35] <wookey> ah yes. I see - that is supposed to happen
[01:35] <wookey> ah of course. I want stage2, not stage1. doh
[01:58] <wookey> hmm, seems there isn't a stage2 defined.
[01:58] <wookey> have hacked one in to do a normal built without selinux- lets see if that works...
[02:22] <wookey> hmm, fails due to missing libc6-prof files. need to nobble that for arm64. I think.
[02:48] <kashkraft> Good evening gentlemen. I'm attempting to compile the BCM4330 driver from source on Ubuntu and running into undefined variable warnings. This is a known issue (https://code.google.com/p/bcmon/issues/detail?id=8) that I'm attempting to fix. I'm new to compiling source code, however from tracing the variables they should be defined through the file Kconfig. My first question (apologies, I did Google): does Makefile automatically load Kconfig? It has
[02:48] <kashkraft> the calls (CONFIG_BCM4330), but the variables are left undefined. Any help or education is greatly appreciated :)
[03:40] <infinity> wookey: This is all already fixed with some patches from doko, I'll get it into experimental (as 2.17) tomorrow, I hope.
[03:53] <wookey> the 'don;t build libc6-prof on arm64' thing? Great - I was just abot to ask what the best way to fix that was
[03:54] <wookey> do send me a patch as lack of libc6:arm64 is the only thing preventing me doing a load raring arm64 build stats
[03:54] <wookey> (or do the upload)
[04:14] <infinity> wookey: If I don't finish 2.17 over the weekend, I'll upload a 2.16 with build fixes instead.
[04:14] <infinity> wookey: But 2.17 should happen.
[08:13] <sveinse> Hi. I'm running a large (custom) application on an omap3 device running precise. It has 256Mb RAM, no swap. This app calls a handful of script commands using traditional fork()/exec() methods. However I've seen that the fork() operation fails due to low memory, even when exec() is about to be called. Has anyone here any experience with running large apps on swap-less system and have been...
[08:14] <sveinse> ...tweaking the overcommit setting. Or is this channel the wrong channel alltogether?
[08:31] <pkh> I'm looking for some advice getting ubuntu onto a tablet. the end goal is to run opencpn (a navigation/chartplotter app for boating.) Before I start buying devices, I'd love to know if anyone has any suggestions.
[08:35] <raster> nexus7
[16:48] <Jef91> Does this page work for anyone? It keeps giving me time out errors -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flash-kernel
[16:50] <SmallFry> Times out for me
[16:52] <ubuntubhoy> and me
[16:53] <Jef91> glad it isn't just mem
[16:53] <Jef91> me*
[16:53] <Jef91> mashing f5 got me through
[16:54] <ubuntubhoy> lol
[17:04] <ogra_> works fine here
[17:29] <Jef91> OK so I've got a chroot I'm editing a file system for the nexus 7 in. When I try to install the linux-image-nexus7 I get it stopping at this -> http://paste.debian.net/221672/
[17:29] <Jef91> Any ideas how I could make it just auto continue instead of waiting on user feedback?
[17:33] <ogra_> export FLASSH_KERNEL_SKIP=true
[17:35] <ogra_> zou also want to install linux-nexus7, not only the image meta
[17:36] <Jef91> yep yep ogra_
[17:36] <Jef91> in the process of merging all your packages into my Wheezy repo
[17:40] <Jef91> ogra_: same result when setting that var to true
[17:44] <ogra_> that cant be
[17:45] <ogra_> where do you set it exactly ?
[17:45] <Jef91> in the terminal I am in
[17:45] <Jef91> ogra_:  -> http://paste.debian.net/221680/
[17:47] <Jef91> shoot I gotta run out for a bit ogra_ - I'll be back later. If you think of something that might help post it with a ping for me
[17:48] <ogra_> well, tbe var should completely suppress flash-kernel
[17:48] <ogra_> oh, wait, you will nee the ubuntu flash-kernel
[17:48] <ogra_> it is forked a bit
[17:48] <ogra_> Jef91, ^^^
[17:48] <ogra_> (the debian one wont even know about tegra3)
[17:49] <ogra_> (nor does it have the SKIP option at all)
[17:51] <Jef91> ogra_: already did that -> flash-kernel           3.0~rc.4ubuntu29 armhf
[17:52] <ogra_> hmm, then there is no reason why SKIp shouldnt work
[17:52] <Jef91> Anything else you can think of yall have modified from debian?
[17:53] <ogra_> t definitely does on all our daily builds
[17:53] <ogra_> they would fail if it wouldnt work
[17:53] <Jef91> I don't doubt it works for you ;)
[17:53] <ogra_> not really and nothing realted really
[17:53] <Jef91> hrm
[17:54] <ogra_> f-k is a pretty standlone script and the SKIP check is pretty much at the top of the code
[17:54] <Jef91> I'll just go edit flash-kernel then
[17:54] <Jef91> and manually make it skip
[17:54] <einonm> ftse 250
[17:55] <Jef91> really running out now. Feel free to ping me if you think of anything else ogra_
[17:55] <ogra_> well, i'll calll it a day soon and am rather out of ideas
[17:56] <Jef91> kk ogra_ thanks for the help as always - have a good weekend
[17:57] <ogra_>  /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-flash-kernel is the script containing the SKIP stuff btw
[17:58] <ogra_> (and /etc/initramfs/post-update.d/flash-kernel)
[18:01] <Jef91> huh ogra_ the "Press Ctrl-C to abort build, or Enter to continue" must be coming from something not those two scripts
[18:01] <Jef91> cause I just pasted a "exit 0" at the top of each of them
[18:01] <Jef91> and still get it
[18:01] <ogra_> yes thats an ugly design flaw in the debian f-k version
[18:02] <Jef91> ogra_: I'm using the Ubuntu f-k
[18:02] <ogra_> it tries to determine the root device from fstab and then puts it hardcoded into the initrd
[18:02] <ogra_> yes i know
[18:02] <ogra_> the ubuntu one is based on debians indeed
[18:02] <Jef91> Ahh.
[18:02] <Jef91> Any way around that message?
[18:02] <ogra_> but we work around such issues
[18:03] <ogra_> well, i dont really get why you still get the message
[18:03] <ogra_> theoreticallys thats not possible since flash-kernel should be completely omitted due to the env var
[18:04] <ogra_> so i assume debians keernel handling does something additionally that forcefullly runs flash-kernel
[18:04] <ogra_> iirc ages ago update-initramfs did the flash-kernel calll hardcoded
[18:04] <ogra_> but that was as i said ... ages ago
[18:05] <ogra_> grep flash-kernel /usr/sbin/update-initramfs
[18:05] <ogra_> ;)
[18:05] <ogra_> check if you are probably using such a version
[18:19] <ogra_> heh, funny CPU stresstest ...
[18:19] <ogra_>  time echo "scale=4000; a(1)*4" | bc -l
[18:19] <ogra_> computes 4000 digits of pi
[18:20] <ogra_> seems the chromebook is only three times as slow as my core i5 3500k
[18:21] <ogra_> (5 times for the nexus7)
[18:39] <xnox> does bc use all cores though?
[18:39] <ogra_> nope
[18:39] <ogra_> see #ubuntu-server :)
[18:40] <ogra_> seems panda and nexus7 are on par with that test
[18:40] <ogra_> so i'm pretty sure its single threaded
[21:23] <hrw> real    0m9.965s
[21:23] <hrw> on i7


[00:36] <ColonelPanik> Grants, Gnu Mexico is cold.
[15:51] <mneptok> ColonelPanik: poke me if we get weather like the beginning of Feb 2011. THAT was cold.
[17:39] <mneptok> oh, HAPPY BIRTHDAY NM!


[00:13] <maw_> http://pastebin.com/d7bdb390d
[00:13] <maw_> ^ pastebin of the issue
[00:13] <jmarsden|work> maw_: Generally, for servers, you want to set the hardware clock to UTC and tell Ubuntu you have done that, and then set your local timezone appropriately.
[00:14] <maw_> right.
[00:15] <maw_> however, I always want my system to be in GMT-7
[00:15] <maw_> never move for DST
[00:15] <maw_> I guess I can choose 'America/Phoenix' but that is not totally correct for my use case
[00:16] <maw_> anyways
[00:16] <maw_> my hwclock is set correctly for GMT-7
[00:16] <maw_> and is 'UTC'
[00:16] <maw_> on reboot I see the time (in the OS) changing exactly to GMT+7
[00:16] <maw_> what the heck...
[00:16] <jmarsden|work> Those two things are contradictory!  Either your hwclock is set to UTC, *or* it is set to some other timezone...
[00:18] <jmarsden|work> what does    hwclock --show    output ?
[00:21] <maw_>  hwclock --show
[00:21] <maw_> Wed 12 Nov 2008 05:21:34 PM GMT-7  -0.541926 seconds
[00:21] <maw_> ^ this :)
[00:22] <jmarsden|work> OK, and    date     says the same thing?
[00:22] <maw_> date
[00:22] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 07:22:25 GMT-7 2008
[00:22] <maw_> as you can see, the time is accurate to what GMT+7 would be
[00:22] <maw_> and this is my issue... or my fail :P
[00:23] <jmarsden|work> I think you have told Ubuntu your hwclock is set to UTC, and then you set your hwclock to local time... which confused Ubuntu.
[00:23] <maw_> hm
[00:24] <maw_> ok so... "sudo hwclock --utc"
[00:24] <maw_> than.. "sudo date <actual GMT-7 time>
[00:24] <maw_> reboot?
[00:24] <jmarsden|work> Well, there's a config file somewhere to say your system hwclock runs as UTC or not... maybe under /etc/sysconfig/ (or is that only on RHEL/Centos...)
[00:25] <maw_> it is /etc/default/rcS
[00:25] <maw_> UTC=yes or UTC=no
[00:25] <maw_> 'man rcS'
[00:25] <maw_> currently I have it set to "yes"
[00:25] <jmarsden|work> OK, so decide: you want to set hwclock to UTC, or not?  Right now it is yes but your lock time is set otherwise :-)
[00:26] <jmarsden|work> I'd leave it at yes and set the hwclock to UTC, personally.
[00:26] <maw_> sure, setting hwclock ot UTC is fine
[00:26] <maw_> and I will sync it to UTC
[00:27] <maw_> jmarsden|work: the way you wrote the last few messages made me understand this dilemma differently... let me try your suggestion
[00:27] <maw_> as in
[00:27] <maw_> IF hwclock == UTC then "hwclock" output should show UTC time
[00:28] <jmarsden|work> No, hwclock --show always shows local time.
[00:28] <maw_> where I was saying "yes it is UTC" but than setting GMT-7
[00:28] <maw_> what about hwclock with no parameters?
[00:28] <jmarsden|work> set the system time using date and then do  hwclock --systohc --utc   and all should line up.
[00:29] <jmarsden|work> I think hwclock with no params still shows localtime
[00:29] <maw_> so when you say set system time... you suggest set system time to match GMT-7 correct?
[00:30] <jmarsden|work> Try      date --set 11121630  ; hwclock --systohc --utc
[00:30] <jmarsden|work> maw_: Yes, to your desired local time.
[00:30] <jmarsden|work> It is now 16:30 on 12 Nov in the GMT-7 local tz, right?
[00:31] <jmarsden|work> Hence the 11121630 in my above suggestion
[00:31] <maw_> actually 5pm
[00:31] <maw_> 17:31:40
[00:32] <jmarsden|work> Yes, you're right.
[00:33] <jmarsden|work> So     date --set 1121733 ; hwclock --systohc --utc
[00:33] <jmarsden|work> So     date --set 11121733 ; hwclock --systohc --utc
[00:34] <maw_> yap
[00:34] <maw_> and I have
[00:34] <jmarsden|work> Did that work?
[00:34] <maw_> going to reboot
[00:34] <jmarsden|work> OK.
[00:34] <maw_> does /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh do something different compared to /sbin/hwclock?
[00:35] <jmarsden|work> I'm not sitting at a Ubuntu box right now... read the hwclock.sh to see what it does :-)
[00:36] <maw_> yes sir :D
[00:36] <maw_> ok box is coming up
[00:36] <espacious> hello, i used to connect to my AP with my usb adapetr in Ubuntu since i upgraded(reinstalled) i cant make it work. it works via ndiswrapper and need a sis driver i setuped all right but when i try to manualy connect to my ap the network manager or better the whole pc frezes.can please someone assist me a bit?
[00:36] <maw_> ya it is still not working as I expected.
[00:37] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ date
[00:37] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 07:36:39 GMT-7 2008
[00:37] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ hwclock
[00:37] <maw_> Wed 12 Nov 2008 05:36:37 PM GMT-7  -0.579722 seconds
[00:37] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ cat /etc/timezone
[00:37] <maw_> Etc/GMT-7
[00:37] <maw_> notice the "date" command
[00:37] <maw_> the time it shows it exactly correct to GMT+7
[00:38] <maw_> however, if my timezone is 'America/Phoenix' than everything works
[00:38] <jmarsden|work> Hmmm.  Well, I suppose the tzdata *could* be wrong... seems unlikely.  What does    TZ=GMT date   day
[00:38] <maw_> sorry?
[00:38] <jmarsden|work> What does    TZ=GMT date      say?
[00:39] <jmarsden|work> (you can temporarily set the TZ environment var and then run the date command...   TZ=GMT date
[00:40] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ echo $TZ
[00:40] <maw_> GMT
[00:40] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ date
[00:40] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 07:40:06 GMT-7 2008
[00:40] <maw_> like that?
[00:41] <hads> As in running `TZ=GMT date`
[00:41] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=GMT date
[00:41] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 00:41:24 GMT 2008
[00:42] <jmarsden|work> maw_: On one line:     TZ=GMT date
[00:42] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=GMT date
[00:42] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 00:41:24 GMT 2008
[00:42] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=GMT-7 date
[00:42] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 07:41:44 GMT 2008
[00:42] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=GMT+7 date
[00:42] <maw_> Wed Nov 12 17:41:49 GMT 2008
[00:42] <maw_> that is the output of that command with GMT,GMT-7 and GMT+7
[00:43] <maw_> someone put the wrong math somewhere :P
[00:43] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=America/Phoenix date
[00:43] <maw_> Wed Nov 12 17:43:37 MST 2008
[00:44] <maw_> Arizone and GMT-7 should be the same thing
[00:45] <jmarsden|work> There is no timezone named GMT-7.  No file called that exists under /usr/share/zoneinfo
[00:45] <jmarsden|work> I think you don't understand what the TZ var does?
[00:45] <maw_> there is a ETC/GMT-7 option
[00:45] <maw_> and I can set that two ways
[00:46] <maw_> 1 using "tzselect" and choosing " none - I want to specify the time zone using the Posix TZ format."
[00:46] <maw_> or 2) using dpkg-reconfigure and choose the option "GMT-7"
[00:47] <maw_> under "other"
[00:47] <maw_> however, I just noticed this in the 'tzselect' program
[00:48] <maw_> "Please enter the desired value of the TZ environment variable.
[00:48] <maw_> For example, GST-10 is a zone named GST that is 10 hours ahead (east) of UTC."
[00:48] <maw_> they use "GST" which is an acronym no one uses
[00:48] <maw_> and they use +  and - in a different fashion than common knowledge
[00:48] <jmarsden|work> maw_: You can just copy the file /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-7 to /etc/localtime
[00:49] <jmarsden|work> If you don't like the utilities :-)
[00:50] <maw_> that isn't the point. Be empathetic with a user who has read all the man pages, used the correct utilities and has a understanding of the conventions used everywhere else
[00:50] <jmarsden|work> OK, somehow you need a zoneinfo file for a time zone seven hours behind GMT.
[00:51] <jmarsden|work> Either the file /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-7 is correct, or it is not.
[00:51] <jmarsden|work> One way to find out is to copy it to /etc/localtime and see what the output of date then shows you.
[00:51] <maw_> unfortunately that file puts me GMT+7 ahead in time
[00:51] <maw_> whereas GMT+7 puts me GMT-7 in time
[00:52] <maw_> let me try a manual copy as you sugegsted to verify this claim
[00:52] <jmarsden|work> Then use the one named GMT+7, if that is what works.
[00:53] <maw_> would you agree this is not intuitive and may be a bug?
[00:55] <maw_> or is it correct and I just fail at comprehending what's up :P?
[00:55] <jmarsden|work> I've never used non-geographic zoneinfo files, but it does seem odd if a file named GMT-7 shows time 7 hours ahead of GMT.
[00:55] <maw_> ya me either
[00:56] <maw_> my need for using this is the fact we never want our system to deviate from GMT-7
[00:56] <maw_> as in... the system should not following DST
[00:56] <maw_> and always be -7hours from GMT
[00:56] <maw_> so, logically I thought GMT-7 would accomplish that ...(5hours later here we are ;)
[00:57] <maw_> I should stop being stubborn and just choose 'America/Phoenix' as it is _always_ GMT-7
[00:57] <jmarsden|work> Well, now you seem to have the hw clock set correctly, so you can now copy the file named GMT+7 into place and use that, if it does what you need, who cares what its name is?!
[00:57] <maw_> well
[00:58] <maw_> what if there is a patch that changes 'America/Phoenix' to use DST... maybe in the future they might respect DST
[00:58] <maw_> who knows
[00:58] <maw_> it may just burn me
[00:58] <jmarsden|work> No patch is going to edit your /etc/localtime file.
[00:58] <jmarsden|work> And update might update file sunder /usr/share/zoneinfo, sure.
[01:05] <maw_> jmarsden|work: thanks for your time
[01:05] <jmarsden|work> No problem :-)
[01:12] <jerky_2> so i'm having some performance problems on my myth box. i'm running mythbuntu 8.10 now but the problem was there on 8.04 too. my box will be running fine (frontend, backend, even mythcommflag sometimes) and then all of a sudden it starts stuttering pretty badly for a few seconds. it doesn't seem to happen at any specific interval...
[01:12] <jerky_2> but when i take a look at the 'top' output, it always corresponds with 'mysqld' jumping up the CPU usage column. when it drops off the top CPU users the performance problems are gone. any ideas for what could be wrong or how to troubleshoot this?
[01:13] <maw_> are you familiar with mysql database at all?
[01:13] <jerky_2> not much
[01:14] <maw_> well when you see mysqld running at high CPU are you performing a intensive query? (what did you just click in the gui)?
[01:14] <jerky_2> mythcommflag can use tons of CPU with no problems because its nice value of 17 is being respected, so i thought i could just nice up mysqld and maybe achieve the same results
[01:14] <jerky_2> well i didn't click anything, but very likely mythtv is doing some intensive query automatically
[01:14] <jerky_2> i'm not sure how to troubleshoot this though... figure out what it's doing and if there's any way i can streamline it
[01:15] <maw_> I am not familiar with that appliance... but you could trace the mysql that is running
[01:15] <maw_> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/slow-query-log.html
[01:16] <maw_> also... normally people wouldn't limit CPU to a DB
[01:16] <jerky_2> i see, but what if the query is not terribly important? like mythtv is probably just searching all of my recordings (lots) every so often to see if any should be deleted or something like that.
[01:17] <maw_> well if thereis a slow query
[01:17] <maw_> maybe you can find out how it is searching those tables
[01:17] <maw_> and make an index on the table
[01:18] <jerky_2> yeah that is probably my next best shot... i'll give this slow query log thing a try
[01:18] <maw_> that would be the logical thing if you have noticed performance getting worse over time
[01:18] <maw_> if this is a sudden performance issue maybe it's due to an update or something
[01:18] <jmarsden|work> jerky_2: You could just renice the mysqld and see if everything then works??
[01:19] <jerky_2> jmarsden, that's what i'm thinking. i'm trying to figure out how to do it... looks like /etc/init.d/mysql should be my answer
[01:19] <maw_> that will stop/start the DB
[01:19] <jerky_2> looks like mysqld does not have any nice options but mysqld_safe does
[01:19] <jmarsden|work> jerky_2: Well, for a test, just use ps  to find the process id of the mysqld and then renice 10 12345
[01:19] <jmarsden|work> if 12345 is the PID
[01:20] <jerky_2> brilliant! i didn't know about that command :)
[01:20] <jmarsden|work> apropos nice willlist all commands relating to nice ...
[01:20] <jmarsden|work> then you can man renice and there you go :-)
[01:21] <jerky_2> hah, awesome. learn something new every day
[01:21] <jerky_2> well ok, i just reniced it up to 10. i'll give some HDTV viewing a shot and let you know if i'm happy :) thanks!
[01:21] <jmarsden|work> No problem.
[02:34] <ScottK> leonel: Your first set of security updates are rolled out.
[04:54] <jpv950> I'm trying to configure mod_userdir, I added "UserDir public_html" to /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, but it complains there is no such module... how do I enable it please?
[04:55] <hads> sudo a2enmod
[04:55] <jpv950> hads, are you replying to me?
[04:56] <hads> jpv950: Yah, `sudo a2enmod userdir`
[04:56] <jpv950> ok thanks :)
[04:57] <unfo> jpv950:  see, it is better to go on IRC and ask than to spend time looking it up yourself :)
[04:58] <jpv950> great, it's doing its magic now, no errors reported. thanks again
[04:58] <hads> np
[04:58] <jpv950> unfo, absolutely :)
[04:59] <unfo> jpv950:  you are welcome.
[04:59] <unfo> even though I didn't do any of the answering :)
[05:01] <jpv950> hehe I would still be banging my head if you hadn't insisted
[05:02] <jpv950> this is cool, I'm SSHing into a lamp stack running on a virtual machine on my laptop...
[05:05] <jpv950> it was surprisingly easy to set up
[06:39] <unfo> stopgo:  ask again here.  Maybe someone will help you, maybe not, but your chances are better.
[06:40] <stopgo> ok, thanks unfo
[06:40] <stopgo> does anyone have experience setting up a mail server?  i'm trying to understand what different functions dovecot and postfix serve.
[06:40] <unfo> stopgo:  also tell them how many users you are supporting, and why you want to set up a mail server at all :)
[06:42] <infinity> stopgo: lamont probably knows everything you need to know.
[06:42] <stopgo> i'm running a website and i need to set up a handful of mail addresses located at our domain
[06:43] <stopgo> thanks infinity, i guess i'll pm him
[06:43] <infinity> stopgo: To be fair, I said that purely to annoy him, since both he and I are headed to bed, and we were both trying to avoid being helpful tonight.
[06:44] <stopgo> oh, ok then.
[06:45] <unfo> stopgo:  repeat: also tell the channel how many users you are supporting, and why you want to set up a mail server at all :)
[06:48] <stopgo> i'm running a web server to host my website, foobar.com.  we have maybe 5 site devs wanting email addresses<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>etc., and setting up a mail server seemed to be the appropriate way to do this.
[06:52] <jmedina> stopgo: Postfix is an MTA, it handles SMTP protocol, its function is send and receive email from/to others smtp servers, or relay email from email cients to local and remote users.
[06:53] <hads> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html
[06:53] <jmedina> Dovecot it is a POP3 and IMAP Servers, it is used by the email clients (Mail User Agents) to collect or read mail
[06:53] <jmedina> so, you need both
[06:55] <stopgo> ah, thanks a lot hads and jmedina
[06:55] <jmedina> you are welcome
[07:00] <unfo> stopgo:  how about Google Apps for Your Domain?  or cPanel?
[07:03] <stopgo> thanks unfo, but i should be able to get it running with the info i just received above
[07:04] <unfo> stopgo: it is more work, and you will get more spam.  But enjoy :)
[07:11] <\sh> moins
[07:23] <timreichhart> does anybody know what would be a best 56k modem to use for a fax server?
[07:23] <timreichhart> does anybody know what would be a best 56k modem to use for a fax server?
[07:24] <jmedina> fax server? that old and stupid machines?
[07:25] <jmedina> the one that mekes people go back in technology?
[07:25] <timreichhart> well see i am running a business and most of my vendors require a fax for placing orders with him
[07:26] <timreichhart> so that is why i need a fax server
[07:27] <timreichhart> ok i guess this chat room is dead and no help
[07:28] <hads> IRC takes longer than 90 seconds
[07:30] <timreichhart> what do you mean it takes more then 90secs?
[07:30] <timreichhart> to get a simple answer
[07:31] <jmedina> timreichhart: the best modems are externals, but I dont know where to buy one
[07:32] <jmedina> I remember to use 3Com
[07:33] <nijaba> timreichhart: people do not stare at their IRC waiting for a question to come.  The guy that has your answer might be coding something atm and will get back to IRC in 2, 3, 10 min...
[07:33] <jmarsden> timreichhart: Cost no object at all?  You can buy high end FAX cards designed for FAX server use... how many FAX lines will you need?  Only one?
[07:33] <timreichhart> so your saying jmedina any external rs232 56k modem will work
[07:33] <nijaba> timreichhart: single or multiple line need?
[07:34] <timreichhart> just 1
[07:34] <hads> Yeah, if you go external you know you're getting a real modem
[07:34] <jmarsden> Maybe http://www.usr.com/products/modem/business-product.asp?sku=USR3453c&adv=homepage
[07:34] <jmarsden> Not cheap but works well even on bad phone lines...
[07:35] <nijaba> USR modems have always been my first pick
[07:35] <jmarsden> More or less any external RS232 modem "will work", but reliability and noise rejection cost $$, basically.
[07:35] <jmedina> yeap, I said 3com meaning USR
[07:35] <timreichhart> ok
[07:35]  * hads hasn't used a modem in so long
[07:36] <timreichhart> so any 3com/USR rs232 modem will work correct?
[07:36] <jmedina> yeap
[07:36] <nijaba> timreichhart: pretty much, yep
[07:36] <jmedina> well the last I used was 8 years ago
[07:37] <nijaba> timreichhart: just make sure you don't buy an internal one
[07:37] <jmedina> there was otheres white, smaller an cheaper that the USR3453
[07:37] <timreichhart> what about this one? http://trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=110_TFM-560X&cat=51
[07:40] <jmarsden> Looks like a cheap generic, and only has Class1 FAX command support... you can probably get it to work, but you may be trading up front cost for reliability.  You'll be using HylaFAX?
[07:42] <jmarsden> It's been a while since worked with this stuff, but from memory HylaFAX likes Class 2.0 support.
[07:43] <hads> Faxes are icky
[07:44] <jmarsden> Yes, but sometimes customers want them...
[07:45] <jmarsden> timreichhart: HylaFAX web site is http://www.hylafax.org/ . http://www.hylafax.org/content/Hardware_Compatibility_List may be of interest to you?
[07:45] <timreichhart> thanks for that link there jmarsden
[07:45] <jmarsden> No problem.
[07:48] <timreichhart> well i have a winmodem right now but that is giving me problems
[07:55] <jmarsden> No surprises there :-)  See http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-Hardware-Buyer-HOWTO/ for advice on hardware... BTW I am a contributor to that so may be slightly biased :-)
[07:57] <jmarsden> Section 3.10.2 says in part: "Also, avoid anything called a "Windows Modem" or "WinModem", ..."
[08:13] <kraut> moin
[13:33] <\sh> hmm..what's the best way to get rid of non used lvm snapshot devices?
[13:34] <\sh> lvremove doesn't work...umount doesn't work neither
[13:35] <deejoe> if it's still mounted and umount doesn't work, chances are good it is still being used by some process
[13:36] <deejoe> lsof | grep partial-name-of-volume
[13:36] <\sh> deejoe: they are sbuild lvm snapshots...so I'm sure nothing valuable is accessing them..only ksnaphd
[13:38] <zoopster> Did the graphical front end for vmbuilder make it into intrepid?
[13:46] <\sh> lsof df -h
[13:46] <\sh> argl
[15:49] <oneseventeen> is there a good tutorial on setting up an SFTP server using ubuntu?
[15:50] <ascent> aptitude install openssh-server
[15:50] <ascent> ;)
[15:51] <oneseventeen> I use SSH for my webserver now, but I'm thinking more a "newbies guide to user administration and SFTP sandboxes"
[15:52] <ascent> ah oke
[15:52] <oneseventeen> I'm going to be giving users outside the company usernames and passwords
[15:52] <ascent> well, by default, ssh enabled users can also use sftp
[15:52] <ascent> since it's the same layer/program
[15:52] <oneseventeen> yeah, I'm guessing I just need to set permissions in a config file somewhere
[15:53] <ascent> well, if you want sandboxes (jails, chroots, virtual servers), you may need some extra work
[15:53] <oneseventeen> hmm, that might be better to search for, ssh user administration and ssh chroots
[15:57] <oneseventeen> are tehre any performance gains using ubuntu server 64 bit?
[16:12] <tacone> shuold "sudo stop apache2" work ?
[16:12] <tacone> i get --> stop: Unknown job: apache2
[16:13] <Deeps> it shouldn't, no
[16:13] <jmedina> tacone: you can use /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[16:13] <oneseventeen> tacone: for stopping apache I usually use sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[16:13] <Deeps> if you want to stop a service, i believe the ubuntu way is sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 stop
[16:13] <oneseventeen> (should have looked before typing)
[16:13] <tacone> yes i know oneseventeen. i was just wondering what stop and start are all about.
[16:13] <jmedina> or apache2ctl stop
[16:13] <Deeps> or use the init scripts as everyone else does
[16:13] <Deeps> tacone: bash job controls
[16:14] <jmedina> I dont like invoke-rc.d
[16:14] <tacone> i miss the definition of bash jobs then :-)
[16:14] <jmedina> you need to know the name of the service
[16:14] <jmedina> I prefer to use /etc/init.d/a<tab>
[16:14] <jmedina> and take advantage of bash completion features
[16:33] <DaSkreech> Hello can I get some help with Landscape ?
[16:34] <ScottK> kirkland: ^^^
[16:34] <ScottK> He's looking at your MOTD stuff.
[16:39]  * DaSkreech waves at kirkland
[17:15] <oneseventeen> is it normal for Scanning the mirror... to take forever?
[17:15] <oneseventeen> (during initial ubuntu-server setup)
[17:19] <sommer> oneseventeen: I'd think the amount of time would depend on your internet connection and the number of user's using the mirror
[17:23] <DaSkreech> ScottK: kirkland sleeps a lot?
[17:24] <ScottK> Not usually.
[18:52] <docta_v> if i'm booting from RAID1 and i want grub to manage installing to both disks, do i just edit the device.map to make hd0 set to md0?
[18:58] <Weasel[DK]> docta_v, i usually do root(hd0,0) setup(hd0) and root(hd1,0) setup(hd1) from within grub
[18:59] <Weasel[DK]> i do not mess with any files... and i work great.. if one disk is missing, it will boot on the other....
[19:00] <Weasel[DK]> guess that is what you wanted ?
[19:06] <peppe__> salve a tutti
[19:07] <docta_v> Weasel[DK]: according to the grub wiki there is native support for md devices now
[19:07] <peppe__> c'è qualche italiano??
[19:07] <docta_v> that would be helpful to me because i'm managing an increasingly large number of servers
[19:07] <docta_v> since version 1.95
[19:08] <docta_v> heh the ubuntu version is .97
[19:08] <docta_v> what's up with that?
[19:09] <docta_v> ah grub2 still experimental hmm
[19:09] <Weasel[DK]> hehe
[19:10] <Weasel[DK]> suppose you still need grub on all disks MBR
[19:12] <docta_v> i'm guessing the ubuntu installer probably isn't smart enough to do that
[19:12] <Weasel[DK]> no, dont think so
[19:14] <jmedina> there is some information about RAID1 and grub in the server guide
[19:14] <Weasel[DK]> dont forget to save a copy of the partintion table of each disk.... it is so much easier to replace if something happens
[19:14] <jmedina> it is something discussed for the intrepid release
[19:14] <docta_v> ah... too bad i'm in the process of moving everything to hardy
[19:14] <docta_v> and then sticking with that for 2-3 years
[19:14] <docta_v> :)
[19:15] <Weasel[DK]> dito
[19:15] <jmedina> docta_v: but you can see the discussions about that and get some ideas
[19:15] <docta_v> is there an easy way to verify if grub has already been installed on a given mbr?
[19:16] <jmedina> in the ubuntu server mailing lists there is a huge discussion about the topic
[19:16] <docta_v> cool
[19:16] <docta_v> what Weasel[DK] was describing above is the standard way to deal with it
[19:16] <jmedina> docta_v: you can cat the fist 512kb of your disc
[19:16] <docta_v> but it looks like we'll get native support in grub once ubuntu starts using grub2
[19:17] <jmedina> I dont think grub2 will be available in the next year
[19:17] <docta_v> yeah, no worries
[19:17] <docta_v> i've gotten this far without it
[19:27] <tonyyarusso> So this is a tad concerning:  "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libklibc klibc-utils busybox-initramfs iptables
[19:27] <tonyyarusso> iptables?  Anyone know how that got on the list?
[19:37] <jmedina> probably you uninstalled a package which depends on iptables
[19:37] <celeph_> Hi, is there a way to use logical volume from a guest system in kvm/libvirt ?
[20:13] <akuma55> can some one take a look at this and tell me what i need to do http://pastebin.com/m5c733c4f
[20:13] <ascent> install a compiler ?
[20:14] <akuma55> witch one?
[20:14] <ascent> gcc for isntance
[20:15] <akuma55> ok ill tryint
[20:15] <akuma55> try it*
[20:17] <akuma55> i did  but then it say this http://pastebin.com/d49841594
[20:18] <ascent>  Originally Posted by joe_bruin  View Post
[20:18] <ascent> Aha, I have the answer:
[20:18] <ascent> You must have libc6-dev-i386 (not just libc6-i386) installed! The Wine Wiki neglects to mention this.
[20:18] <ascent> from ubuntu forums
[20:19] <zul> akuma55: sudo apt-gete isntall build-essential
[20:20] <akuma55> trying that now zul
[20:40] <akuma55> it worked
[20:41] <akuma55> thanx
[20:58] <zamarax> I have a question, do you think I will notice substantial performance increase in my websites rendering in the browser if I switch from 100mbps connection to 1Gbps?
[21:16] <hads> That would depend how saturated your link is.
[21:24] <DaSkreech> !find easy_install
[21:54] <wazon> hi!
[21:54] <wazon> I need some help
[21:54] <wazon> could someone help me installing a simple fetchmail + postfix with imap???
[21:55] <DaSkreech> apt-get install postfix?
[21:55] <wazon> I've read lots of howtos
[21:55] <jmedina> wazon: and what did you learn?
[21:55] <wazon> but all of them use procmail
[21:56] <wazon> and I'd like to use as few components as posible
[21:56] <jmedina> wazon: and what do you want to do ?
[21:56] <wazon> not using procmail
[21:56] <wazon> I'm sure I've seen one howto doing that
[21:56] <wazon> but I can't find it aagain
[21:57] <wazon> I think the problem is I don't know how to tell fetchmail to use postfix instead of procmail...
[21:58] <DaSkreech> apt-get install --prefix=/dev/brain googlefu
[21:58] <DaSkreech> please don't try that
[21:58] <wazon> xD
[21:58] <jmedina> wazon: what do you want to do?
[21:59] <wazon> use fetchmail + postfix WITHOUT procmail
[21:59] <jmedina> you can do a lot of things with fetchmail and postfix
[21:59] <jmedina> postfix by default doesnt use procmail
[21:59] <jmedina> unless you install it and set the mailbox_command in main.cf
[22:00] <wazon> but
[22:00] <wazon> does fetchmail sends the mails it fetches to procmail?
[22:01] <wazon> I think thats my problem...
[22:02] <jmedina> nop unless you use the mda option within fetchmail config
[22:02] <wazon> uhm
[22:03] <wazon> so, if I don't use that option, fetchmail will pass the mail to postfix?
[22:04] <jmedina> I think I still dont understand what you want to do with fetchmail and postfix
[22:04] <jmedina> and what for
[22:04] <wazon> I want to fetch my mail from several accounts to my server
[22:04] <wazon> and deliver it to local users
[22:05] <wazon> when I manage that, I'd want imap access to that mail on my server
[22:06] <wazon> and probably webamail as well
[22:06] <wazon> *webmail
[22:06] <wazon> and I'd like to use Maildir format
[22:06] <wazon> not mbox
[22:07] <wazon> is it an easier way to get this than postfix and fetchmail?
[22:07] <wazon> I'm not new to linux, but this is the first server I manage
[22:07] <wazon> so I'm kind of a newbye
[22:10] <wazon> jmedina: what do you think? Am I in the right way?
[22:45] <wazon> hey
[22:46] <wazon> will you guys recommend me squirrellmail or mailman?
[22:47] <wazon> and is it better to use dovecot or courier for imap?
[22:57] <ScottK> wazon: Dovecot is the one the Ubuntu supports and is best covered in our documentation.  Squirrllmail is a webmail program.  Mailmain is a mailing list manager.  Depending on which you want, pick that one.
[22:58] <wazon> aps
[22:59] <wazon> I thought Mailman was also webmail
[22:59] <wazon> I'll use then dovecot + squirrellmail
[22:59] <wazon> thanks!
[23:18] <wazon> how can I see the installed version of postfix I have in my pc?
[23:19] <Deeps> dpkg -l | grep postfix
[23:19] <DaSkreech> apt-cache policy postfix
[23:19] <wazon> thanks
[23:20] <DaSkreech> though postfix --version probably works as well :)
[23:38] <shoot^> hey guys. for some reason, my fileserver does not automatically reconnect to the wireless network if the router is reset - i have to manually reset the box. any suggestions?


[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <Kilos> hi dholbach svij and all others
[08:17] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[08:19] <svij> hi Kilos and dholbach
[08:19] <dholbach> hey svij
[09:08] <elacheche> Morning LoCos!
[12:27] <Kilos> hi elacheche
[12:41] <elacheche> hey Kilos !
[13:25] <Taufiq_> Hello people.
[13:27] <Taufiq_> Anybody there?
[14:09] <Kilos> hi dupingping how are you?
[14:10] <dupingping> Kilos, How are you today?
[14:10] <Kilos> very good thank you
[14:10] <dupingping> Kilos, I found a bug on gnome-terminal.
[14:10] <dupingping> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1514288
[14:11] <Kilos> good
[14:12] <dupingping> Kilos, I wonder about when can i get the certificate mail from canonical.
[14:12] <Kilos> mine took 2 months
[14:12] <Kilos> just be patient
[14:12] <dupingping> oh, yes. Mark will send me it before new years day?
[14:13] <Kilos> maybe
[14:13] <Kilos> lol
[14:13] <dupingping> lol
[14:14] <Kilos> actually i think mine took longer but our post office was on strike at the time so not sure anymore
[14:15] <dupingping> And i'm modifying now the gnome-vfs for virtualbox shared folder.
[14:15] <dupingping> the gnome-vfs could not process virtualbox shared folder.
[14:16] <dupingping> So i am going to modify it, so so let it can show virtualbox shared folder.
[14:16] <Kilos> nice
[14:18] <dupingping> Kilos, now your work going well?
[14:18] <Kilos> i dont work. i sit here sometimes and sleep other times
[14:19] <dupingping> Kilos, wow, how to earn money to life without work?
[14:19] <Kilos> im old and kinda retired
[14:19] <dupingping> oh, i'm a beginner. Can you teach me, so i can earn money with my technology.
[14:20] <dupingping> of course, i'm working to make open source projects better.
[14:20] <Kilos> lol im more of a beginner
[14:21] <dupingping> Kilos, oh, but you have good reputation. For example, you're in Ubuntu Membership board.
[14:21] <Kilos> i dont know how the guys here make money, i suppose by working for IT companies
[14:22] <Kilos> thats just because i talk alot and everyone felt sorry for me
[14:22] <dupingping> Kilos, oh, which company did you work in?
[14:22] <Kilos> i was in the za post office 40 years ago
[14:23] <Kilos> then had my own forklift repair company
[14:23] <Kilos> doing diesel engine repairs etc
[14:24] <Kilos> then spent some yeara running farms for rich people
[14:24] <dupingping> oh, you don't need software engineer?
[14:24] <Kilos> lol now i need just rest
[14:24] <dupingping> Kilos, yes, please. lol
[14:26] <Kilos> you forgot to visit the africa channels for a long time hey
[14:26] <Kilos> and you can also get an ubuntu cloak for your irc nickname
[14:27] <Kilos> elacheche hows does she go about getting a cloak
[14:27] <Kilos> i think i just asked here
[14:30] <Kilos> dupingping you can also get an ubuntu email alis
[14:30] <Kilos> alias
[14:30] <dupingping> Kilos, yes, I got the ubuntu email alias.
[14:31] <Kilos> ok now you just need a cloak for irc
[14:31] <dupingping> and also got the cloak irc.
[14:31] <Kilos> oh , it doesnt show here
[14:32] <dupingping> oh, Kilos, I just join in the ubuntu cloak team. And how to use it?
[14:32] <Kilos> can you see the list of nicknames
[14:32] <dupingping> Kilos, where, please/
[14:32] <elacheche> Kilos, wasn't read the conversation, and too lazy to read all that, can you summarize?
[14:33] <how> get her irc cloak working here
[14:33] <how> oh my
[14:33] <Guest95502> elacheche how does she get her irc cloak to show here
[14:34] <Guest95502> oh my i messed something up
[14:34] <dupingping> elacheche, how can use cloak nick name here?
[14:35] <elacheche> Ah! I see
[14:35] <elacheche> dupingping, you should register your nickname.. Then go to   #freenode and ask an OP for a cloak
[14:36] <dupingping> yes, thanks. elacheche
[14:36] <elacheche> :)
[14:38] <Kilos> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Instructions
[14:41] <Kilos> dupingping see https://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[14:41] <dupingping> Kilos, it shows me as following
[14:41] <dupingping> ubuntu/member/dupingping :is now your hidden host (set by services.)
[14:41] <Kilos> well done
[14:41] <dupingping> yes, great.
[14:42] <Kilos> yes i see you now
[14:42] <dupingping> Kilos, where?
[14:42] <elacheche> dupingping, you're an ubuntu member?
[14:42] <Kilos> in my irc client
[14:42] <Kilos> which irc client do you use
[14:42] <dupingping> dupingping
[14:43] <dupingping> elacheche, yes, i'm a Ubuntu Member.
[14:43] <Kilos> nono the client to get irc
[14:43] <dupingping> Kilos, oh, what do you mean? i'm a beginner for irc.
[14:43] <Kilos> xchat hexchat etc
[14:44] <Kilos> i use konversation
[14:44] <dupingping> Kilos, it's dupingping, too.
[14:44] <Kilos> oh my
[14:44] <dupingping> xchat
[14:44] <Kilos> you too clever
[14:44] <dupingping> yes, it's xchat.
[14:44] <dupingping> sorry, lately understand.
[14:44] <Kilos> ok in xchat you go to settings and set it to show nicknames and hosts
[14:46] <dupingping> Kilos, xchat settings have these settings?
[14:48] <Kilos> oh my ive forgotten how to use xchat
[14:50] <dupingping> oh, Kilos, I found it. thank you.
[14:50] <Kilos> yay
[14:51] <Kilos> im sorry i forgot been a while since i last looked at xchat
[14:51] <dupingping> yes, i think that xchat is good, too.
[14:51] <Kilos> it will show nicks on the right and chnnels on the left
[14:51] <dupingping> yes, i found it.
[14:52] <dupingping> Kilos: ~ miles@ubuntu/member/kilos
[14:52] <Kilos> cool
[14:53] <dupingping> Kilos: how do you often meet Mark?
[14:53] <Kilos> i have never met him'
[14:53] <dupingping> oh, i saw the popey at the ubuntu summit.
[14:53] <Kilos> nice
[14:54] <dupingping> There are 4 peoples in Ubuntu Membership board?
[14:54] <dupingping> You and popey
[14:54] <dupingping> and two men.
[14:54] <Kilos> no there are more
[14:55] <dupingping> oh, yes. May i can join Ubuntu Membership board team?
[14:55] <Kilos> its just difficult for some to make some of the times
[14:55] <Kilos> so we try have at leat 4 at each application time
[14:56] <dupingping> Kilos: yes, i understand. And can i become a Ubuntu membership board team member?
[14:56] <Kilos> the members are fixed and expire after 2 years then you can apply to become one
[14:57] <dupingping> Kilos: after 2 years?
[14:57] <Kilos> they send out a mail inviting people to apply to be on the board
[14:57] <Kilos> i think i expire in april
[14:58] <dupingping> yes, i see. anytime they may send me invite mail.
[14:58] <dupingping> I need to wait for them. :)
[14:58] <Kilos> the mail goes out to all ubuntu members
[14:58] <Kilos> :D
[14:58] <dupingping> :D
[14:59] <Kilos> so dont just delete your mails. read them first
[14:59] <Kilos> hehe
[14:59] <dupingping> yes, let me try. :)
[15:01] <dupingping> Kilos: just a question. okay?
[15:01] <Kilos> yes anytime
[15:02] <dupingping> Kilos: please think about it. If i have a project and a idea for it, and i have no enough budget.
[15:02] <dupingping> how can i solve this problem?
[15:02] <Kilos> you need to ask the clever guys that
[15:03] <Kilos> dholbach can you help dupingping please
[15:03] <Kilos> ^^6
[15:03] <dupingping> Kilos: :)
[15:03] <dupingping> dholbach: hi.
[15:03] <Kilos> thats what i do, i get the clever peeps to think for me
[15:04] <dupingping> Kilos: dholbach may busy now.
[15:04] <Kilos> yes you must be patient
[15:04] <Kilos> oh ask popey he is at canonical
[15:04] <dupingping> Kilos: yes, you're very good friend.
[15:05] <Kilos> ty
[15:05] <dupingping> popey? yes, he is in canonical. I think that he often meet mark via summit.
[15:05] <popey> hello
[15:05] <dupingping> popey: hi, popey.
[15:05] <Kilos> hi popey
[15:05] <popey> hello hello
[15:06] <dupingping> please think about it. If i have a project and a idea for it, and i have no enough budget.
[15:06] <dupingping> how can i solve this problem?
[15:08] <dupingping> of course, i mean that it's open source project and free.
[15:11] <dupingping> popey: are you in a meeting now?
[15:12] <popey> nope, just workin
[15:13] <popey> many people use crowdfunding to obtain funds for a project
[15:13] <popey> these vary in success
[15:13] <dupingping> popey: crowdfunding?
[15:13] <popey> yes, like kickstarter, indiegogo, patreon
[15:14] <dupingping> popey: yes, i saw them. but i could not do it, because i'm not a designer. just programmer now. heh
[15:14] <popey> There are often threads on reddit where a designer is looking for a programmer for a project, and programmers looking for designers.
[15:15] <dupingping> i think that kickstarter and indiegogo and so on, they are all focus design.
[15:15] <popey> They're often used by content creators, especially patreon.
[15:15] <popey> Some programmers use tipjar or other micropayments
[15:15] <popey> I don't know a lot about this, never used these tools.
[15:17] <dupingping> popey: yes. thanks a lot.
[15:20] <dupingping> popey: can you help me to let me become a canonical member?
[15:20] <popey> An employee?
[15:21] <dupingping> yes.
[15:21] <popey> http://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies there's the roles we're currently hiring for
[15:21] <dupingping> There is no for gnome.
[15:21] <dupingping> i'm a gtk& gnome software engineer.
[15:22] <dupingping> And there are some gnome developers in canonical.
[15:25] <popey> there are a few, yes.
[15:25] <popey> We're not hiring in that department though.
[15:26] <dupingping> yes. Then i just contribute for it.
[15:26] <dupingping> I'm going to modify gnome vfs for virtualbox shared folder.
[15:27] <dupingping> gnome vfs does not support vboxsf filesystem.
[16:39] <dpm> nhaines, o/ are you around?
[18:28] <nhaines> Aww, I missed dpm.


[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <barry> heh
[15:00] <barry> hello everyone and welcome to this week's ameu reviewer's meeting
[15:00] <barry> i know a lot of people are away, but who's here today?
[15:00] <sinzu1> me
[15:00] <sinzui> me
[15:00] <allenap> me
[15:00] <intellectronica> me
[15:00] <schwuk> me
[15:00] <bac> me
[15:00] <salgado> me
[15:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:01] <gmb> me
[15:01] <intellectronica> sorry, everyone, for allenap and mine no-show today. we've been working very hard on that hacking thing
[15:01] <intellectronica> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2395/2511062130_f148267b7f.jpg
[15:02] <barry> intellectronica: why is allenap smiling?  that doesn't look like work! :)
[15:02] <intellectronica> barry: something to do with JSON marshaling, iirc
[15:02] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:02] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:02] <barry>  * Action items
[15:02] <barry>  * Queue status
[15:02] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:02] <barry>  * Review process
[15:02] <barry>    * Help people learn how big branches can be split up (BjornT)
[15:02] <barry>    * Adopt mars suggestion for more-specific imports; don't do multiline imports; communicate decision.
[15:03] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:03] <barry> everyone okay with week += 1
[15:03] <barry> anybody know of sprints or holidays, or know you won't be here?
[15:04] <intellectronica> i won't be here, i'll be on vacation
[15:04] <salgado> I won't be here. vacation as well
[15:04] <danilos> me
[15:04] <barry> cool
[15:04] <barry>  * Action items
[15:04] <danilos> as in, me here today, though late
[15:04] <barry>  * barry drive to decision about multiline sequences
[15:05] <barry> so we've made a decision: we're going to adopt mars's suggestion and not multiline imports.  hopefully that will cut down on conflicts, but even if it doesn't, it'll be a win
[15:06] <barry> as we're all agreed __init__.py's import-*'s suck :)
[15:06] <barry> [ACTION] barry to update style guides and email ml
[15:06] <barry>  * barry to solicit ideas to better handle review scheduling and workload
[15:06] <barry> not done
[15:07] <barry>  * flacoste to add `safe_hasattr()` to `lazr.utils`
[15:07] <flacoste> i suck
[15:07] <flacoste> carry on
[15:07] <barry> ;)
[15:07] <barry>  * bjorn to add recommendation to test style guide saying don't use asserts in doctests
[15:07] <sinzui> That will wait until a week 0
[15:07] <barry> i don't think BjornT is here
[15:07] <barry> so we'll just carry on
[15:08] <gmb> barry: He's in a UDS session, I think.
[15:08] <barry>  * Queue status
[15:08] <barry> gmb: np
[15:08] <barry> salgado: you're switching ocr today, is that right?
[15:08] <salgado> barry, that's right
[15:09] <salgado> will update the wiki
[15:09] <barry> salgado: thanks for helping out w/coverage!
[15:09] <barry> looks like we have a few pink branches
[15:10] <barry> EdwinGrubbs: what's happening w/ the cprov and julian branches?
[15:10] <EdwinGrubbs> barry: I think they are done except for mentoring possibly.
[15:10] <salgado> they have been mentored
[15:11] <salgado> I think
[15:11] <barry> cool, so just waiting to land?
[15:11] <salgado> I think it's just the status that hasn't been updated
[15:11] <barry> np
[15:11] <barry> schwuk: any word on the adeuring #1 branch?
[15:12] <schwuk> barry: in progress
[15:12] <cprov> salgado: you did, I will reply it this evening. Sorry for the delay.
[15:12]  * schwuk forgot to check pending reviews and missed it
[15:12] <barry> schwuk: cool, thanks.  iirc, there was reluctance to start on the 2 and 3 branches until the first one got reviewed
[15:12] <sinzui> I think splitting a large branch and submitting all the parts at once is unfair.
[15:12] <barry> schwuk: you should check out bac's script :)
[15:13] <bac> barry,sinzui : we talked to abel about it yesterday.  he said they are pretty dependent.  2 & 3 should be withdrawn
[15:13] <schwuk> barry: I had it running, but I broked it :(
[15:13] <barry> sinzui: if they are highly intertwined
[15:13] <bac> but due to abel being at UDS i didn't get to talk with him directly
[15:13] <barry> bac: ok, thanks for the feedback.  i'll remove those branches from PR
[15:14] <barry> bac: and email abel so he knows to resubmit them when he gets #1 through
[15:14] <barry> anything else on the queue?
[15:14] <bac> barry: also make sure he knows about the depends option in review-submit
[15:14] <barry> bac: good point!
[15:15] <barry> moving on...
[15:15] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:15] <barry> any feedback, issues?
[15:16] <barry>  * Review process
[15:16] <barry>    * Help people learn how big branches can be split up (BjornT)
[15:17] <barry> well, we didn't really reach any conclusions on this one, but for the folks working on abel's branch, can you think about this some and make any (general) suggestions to the ml?
[15:18] <barry>    * Adopt mars suggestion for more-specific imports; don't do multiline imports; communicate decision.
[15:18] <barry> already mentioned.
[15:18] <barry> anyway, that's all i have on the agenda.  does anybody have any other topics?
[15:19] <sinzui> I think splitting a large branch and submitting all the parts at once is unfair.
[15:19] <intellectronica> sinzui: huh?
[15:19] <intellectronica> you should submit as soon as the code is available
[15:19] <sinzui> I think that stands as a topic. The last branch is in a precarious position.
[15:20] <sinzui> A mistake in the bottom of the design may topple the top branch
[15:20] <bac> and even mundane changes can bubble through all parts causing the reviewers to do extra work
[15:21] <sinzui> intellectronica: I agree that once a chunk of code is ready for review, it should be.
[15:21] <intellectronica> true, but i think if you already reached the point where you have all code ready at once there isn't much that can be done about this
[15:21] <intellectronica> we should pay attention to 'Depends:' in the submission, and try to spot problematic cases
[15:22] <intellectronica> also, it should be the responsibility of the developer to sort out effective reviews
[15:22] <barry> well, the pre-impl should have helped with any design issues, no?
[15:22] <sinzui> Yep
[15:22] <sinzui> A pre-imp should estimate the number of lines required and plan the branches
[15:23] <schwuk> sinzui: +1
[15:23] <barry> intellectronica: true, but devs should be conscious of not wasting reviewers time, so they should be highly confident their branches are solid
[15:23] <barry> and if not, get more up-front help in planning the branches
[15:23] <schwuk> If a branch is a few lines over the limit, fair enough. If it's 100+ lines over then the work hasn't been chunked properly (see pre-imp calls)
[15:23] <intellectronica> schwuk: b.t.w did you have a pre-imp with abel? you are the developer most likely to be able to have an effective one with him
[15:24] <schwuk> intellectronica: no, and he's not listed a pre-imp call on the review request.
[15:26] <barry> i will mention this to him, when i email him about his branches
[15:26] <schwuk> barry: I've queried it in my review as well.
[15:27] <barry> schwuk: thanks
[15:28] <barry> anything else?
[15:29] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:29] <barry> thanks everyone!
[15:29] <schwuk> thanks barry


[08:41] <KGB-X> gnome-session Will Thompson 476337 * commented merge request !7 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-session/-/merge_requests/7#note_476337
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[18:09] <KGB-X> alacarte upstream/latest 12c4a36 Dmitry Shachnev * pushed 6 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/alacarte/compare/3c33665...12c4a36
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[18:09] <KGB-X> alacarte upstream/latest d088c81 Emin Tufan Çetin po/tr.po * Update Turkish translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/alacarte/-/commit/d088c81
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[18:09] <KGB-X> alacarte upstream/latest a21daf9 Florentina Mușat po/ro.po * Update Romanian translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/alacarte/-/commit/a21daf9
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[18:09] <KGB-X> alacarte upstream/latest f2f3f85 Alberts Muktupāvels NEWS configure.ac * bump version to 3.52.0, update NEWS * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/alacarte/-/commit/f2f3f85
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[00:37] <thumper> wallyworld: I can chat earlier if you can
[00:37] <wallyworld> thumper: sure,now?
[00:37] <thumper> yeah
[01:29] <davecheney> func (b blocks) add(block block)
[01:30] <davecheney> hmmm
[03:33] <davecheney> thumper: how do I set debugging level to trace on an environment
[03:33] <davecheney> (you can tell it's been a long time since I did this)
[03:33] <thumper> davecheney: a running environment?
[03:33] <davecheney> i haven't deployed yet
[03:34] <davecheney> actually, don't worry
[03:34] <davecheney> i kjnow the line I want to see
[03:34] <thumper> juju set-env logging-config=juju=trace
[03:34] <davecheney> i'll just make it an error
[03:34] <thumper> you can set an environment variable
[03:34] <davecheney> then I don't ahve to deal with trillions of lines of trace
[03:34] <thumper> export JUJU_LOGGING_CONFIG=juju=debug,juju.something.specific=trace
[03:34] <natefinch-afk> logging-config: "<root>=DEBUG;juju.worker.leadership=WARNING;juju.trace=WARNING;juju.worker.peergrouper=INFO;juju.worker=ERROR;juju.apiserver=TRACE
[03:35] <natefinch-afk> (in environments.yaml)
[03:35] <thumper> that is another way
[03:35] <davecheney> i'll just hack the error to report at ERROR level
[03:35] <thumper> :)
[03:35] <natefinch> also works :)
[03:35] <davecheney> i don't want to have to deploy twice if I screw it up
[03:35] <davecheney> all I want to see is the specific line failing, then I can check my fix
[03:39] <mup> Bug #1536885 opened: github.com/juju/juju/cmd/jujud/agent fails frequently with go 1.5 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536885>
[03:41] <davecheney> lucky(~/devel/swift-test) % juju bootstrap -v
[03:41] <davecheney> Bootstrapping environment "ap-southeast-2"
[03:41] <davecheney> Bootstrap failed, destroying environment
[03:41] <davecheney> ERROR failed to bootstrap environment: cannot read product data, invalid URL "https://juju-dist.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.juju:devel:tools.sjson" not found
[03:43] <menn0> thumper: if you have a chance could you take a look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3541
[03:43] <menn0> thumper: it's quite different from when you last looked at it.
[03:44] <menn0> thumper: one more issue from Will to address and then it's ready (pending any further review feedback)
[03:44] <thumper> k
[03:56] <cherylj> hey natefinch, regarding your review, I still think it makes sense to test for content type since that's something generated in the functionality we're testing.  It just happens it can be one of two things, depending on where the tests are running
[04:00] <lazypower> davecheney I just ran into that myself
[04:01] <lazypower> davecheney however, it doesn't appear ot be holding anything up. I still have services coming online... but i did bootstrap with --upload-tools
[04:01] <natefinch> cherylj: yeah, sorry, saw your comment earlier
[04:01] <natefinch> cherylj: do you know why we return two different content types?
[04:05] <davecheney> lazypower: ame
[04:05] <davecheney> lazypower: same
[04:08] <davecheney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14595278/
[04:08] <davecheney> ^ uhhh
[04:10] <cherylj> natefinch: yeah, I had asked sinzui about it.  something about the package used by centos handling javascript differently.  Sorry it's late and now I don't completely remember what he said
[04:10] <cherylj> but it seemed satisfactory at the time :D
[04:21] <mup> Bug #1536819 changed: Feature Request: Storage support for openstack provider <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536819>
[04:24] <mup> Bug #1536819 opened: Feature Request: Storage support for openstack provider <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536819>
[04:24] <davecheney> where does the leadership manager worker run ?
[04:24] <davecheney> is it on machine 0 ?
[04:25] <davecheney> or is it on every machine that is a component of a leadership charm
[04:26] <thumper> davecheney: probably managed by the "master" state server machine
[04:26] <thumper> which will start with machine 0
[04:26] <davecheney> ok
[04:26]  * thumper has had enough of today
[04:26] <davecheney> i have a fix for the bug
[04:26] <thumper> awesome
[04:26] <davecheney> and i appears to work
[04:26] <thumper> time to start drinking
[04:26] <davecheney> bootstraping now
[04:26] <thumper> hazaah
[04:26] <thumper> good luck
[04:26] <davecheney> but I'm having trouble writing up the description as how the lease stuff works is not entirely clear in my head
[04:27] <davecheney> but if the lease manager runs on machine 0
[04:27] <davecheney> not the actual machien holding the lease
[04:27] <davecheney> that makes sense
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1536819 changed: Feature Request: Storage support for openstack provider <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536819>
[04:31] <axw> wallyworld: how does changing the name to ModelTag stop things from compiling?
[04:32] <wallyworld> # github.com/juju/names
[04:32] <wallyworld> ./model.go:27: ModelTag is not a type
[04:32] <wallyworld> nfi
[04:33] <axw> wallyworld: that's because you've got a variable called ModelTag
[04:33] <wallyworld> oh ffs
[04:33] <wallyworld> sigh, ignore me
[04:34] <wallyworld> too many concurrent things
[04:34] <axw> wallyworld: just going to have something to eat, will you be available for 1:1 soonish?
[04:34] <wallyworld> sure
[04:34] <axw> ok, bbs
[04:38] <davecheney> soooo, leadership doesn't use a watcher ...
[04:48] <davecheney> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3605/
[04:48] <davecheney> for review, still testing
[04:51] <mup> Bug #1535916 changed: juju upgrade-charm should recognize the force flag <adoption> <compatibility> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535916>
[04:59] <axw> wallyworld: ready now?
[04:59] <wallyworld> axw: ok, give me 5
[04:59] <axw> wallyworld: sure, ping when you're there
[05:00] <davecheney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14595610/
[05:00] <davecheney> well shit
[05:00] <davecheney> and now AWS has locked me out for rate limit abuse
[05:18] <wallyworld> axw: there now
[09:05] <frobware> voidspace, fyi maas-spaces is cursed - http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/3530
[09:15] <frobware> voidspace, btw. I didn't look at the detail, just noted the failure message in my inbox
[09:22] <voidspace> frobware: ok
[09:22] <voidspace> frobware: looking at a master merge last night, merging the test code itself is straightforward - but the test *scripts* are not so trivial (at least to me)
[09:22] <voidspace> frobware: you'd probably find it a lot easier
[09:23] <frobware> voidspace, I'm in the middle of the 3 bugs right now....
[09:23] <voidspace> frobware: ok, the longer we leave it the worse it gets though
[09:23] <frobware> voidspace, can we HO and look at the detail?
[09:24] <voidspace> frobware: let's do it after standup, I still need coffee
[09:24] <voidspace> maas-spaces hasn't been blessed since December 9th!
[09:24] <frobware> voidspace, I don't want to leave it. equally, I don't want to stash what I'm currently doing.
[09:24] <voidspace> not as bad as it could be...
[09:24] <frobware> voidspace, yep!
[09:25] <voidspace> centos & windows unit tests and go-1.5 on trusty failures
[09:25] <voidspace> looks like the only *voting* failure is the windows one
[09:26] <voidspace> metadata failures, not code we've touched!? (I don't think)
[09:26] <voidspace> I'll look at the other curses and see if they're consistent
[09:27] <voidspace> also in the middle of the api stuff
[09:29] <voidspace> frobware: most of the curses prior to the *most* recent are "stale version"
[09:29] <voidspace> I'll have to ask mgz what that means
[09:30] <voidspace> frobware: those windows tests passed on master though (even though master is also cursed)
[09:30] <frobware> voidspace, right. and this is why I recently read somewhere are sample size of a BLESSED run should be > 1. This failure may be transient.
[09:30] <frobware> s/read/said/
[09:31] <voidspace> frobware: right
[09:31] <voidspace> frobware: many of the tests are still pending on that run
[09:31] <voidspace> frobware: we'll need another run to see if that windows failure is genuine
[10:01] <voidspace> dooferlad: frobware: stdup?
[10:01] <frobware> voidspace, ah, friday. wrong link. omw...
[10:12] <voidspace> mgz: ping
[10:15] <frobware> voidspace, this one? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3564/
[10:44] <voidspace> dooferlad: frobware: huge again!
[10:44] <voidspace> dooferlad: frobware: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3609/
[10:45] <voidspace> running tests
[10:45] <frobware> voidspace, this is motivation for us to clean up and get our stuff back into master.
[10:45] <voidspace> yep
[10:46] <voidspace> mind you, a big chunk of that diff is the legacy azure provider being removed
[10:59] <voidspace> frobware: dooferlad: clean unit test run on the merged branch
[11:28] <frobware> I'm trying to submit a PR but the subsequent RB is always empty (http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3612/) -- anybody else see this behaviour?
[11:51] <frobware> voidspace, I was trying to run the unit tests on your -2 merge branch. Currently fails for me.
[12:04] <frobware> voidspace, dooferlad: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3614/
[12:05] <frobware> voidspace, will take another look at your merge -2 branch now.
[12:30] <frobware> voidspace, unit test pass for me in your merge -2 branch.
[12:54] <voidspace> frobware: cool
[13:43] <mgz> voidspace: when did you guys last merge master?
[13:44] <mgz> and did you merge a blessed rev or just what happened to be tip?
[14:40] <voidspace> mgz: well, we merged very recently - but there's already a stack more changes
[14:41] <voidspace> mgz: and we just merged tip
[14:41] <voidspace> mgz: we just got a test run (cursed - windows unit tests failed in code unrelated to our changes)
[14:41] <voidspace> mgz: but *before* we merged master there was a long gap between us and master
[14:41] <voidspace> mgz: and all the test runs came up with "stale version"
[14:43] <mgz> voidspace: I'm asking because the windows test failur was only very briefly on master
[14:43] <mgz> and is fixed on tip
[14:44] <voidspace> mgz: ah, cool
[14:44] <voidspace> mgz: we're about to merge again
[14:44] <voidspace> mgz: and would appreciate a new CI run when that's done
[14:45] <voidspace> dooferlad: frobware: can I have a +1 on my merge branch?
[14:50] <frobware> voidspace, done.
[14:50] <frobware> voidspace, could you take a look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3614/
[15:02] <mup> Bug #1537082 opened: Cannot use devel/proposed agent streams with daily stream for xenial <bootstrap> <streams> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-release-tools:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537082>
[15:14] <beisner> frobware, cherylj, mgz - 24hrs into exercising 1.25.3 @ uosci, smooth sailing :-)
[15:14] <cherylj> beisner: yay!!
[15:45] <voidspace> frobware: looking
[15:47] <voidspace> frobware: ooh, O(n^2) append function
[15:47] <voidspace> ;-)
[15:49] <voidspace> frobware: LGTM, the Python is straightforward
[15:57] <frobware> voidspace, yep. the alternative is ordered set. or dict. and importing collectiosn. can do, but don't think we have perf issues.
[15:57] <frobware> voidspace, wary if importing anything not does not work on series >= precise.
[16:35] <voidspace> frobware: it's fine, it won't be an issue
[16:36] <voidspace> mgz: will we get a new maas-spaces CI run automatically, or do you have to kick it off for us?
[16:36] <voidspace> mgz: frobware: because the latest master merge has landed and we'd like a new one please :-)
[16:37] <frobware> voidspace, yep looking forward to monday starting out blessed! :-D
[16:37] <voidspace> hehe, we can hope
[16:38] <frobware> voidspace, I even bootstrapped with your latest merge
[16:39] <mgz> voidspace: it will happen, but I'll manually bump
[16:39] <natefinch> katco: good question on using tags...
[16:39] <katco> natefinch: if i remember correctly they're supposed to be constrained to the api portion
[16:39] <katco> natefinch: and strings are fine elsewhere
[16:40] <natefinch> katco: I think you're right, though I really dislike the policy behind that second statement...
[16:42] <natefinch> katco: I think we have a ton of places in the code where string actually means "this is an ID of an object and must be able to be parsed back into a tag" except there's nothing actually indicating or enforcing that
[16:42] <natefinch> except perhaps having id on the end of the variable name :/
[16:45]  * perrito666 is under an AC and still a little hot... sometimes I really hate this country
[16:46] <natefinch> perrito666: it's -8°C here... (not inside, of course)
[16:46] <perrito666> natefinch: last night, at 1AM it was 30C here
[16:48] <frobware> voidspace, interestingly my PR caused a test failure. http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/6070/console
[17:32] <mup> Bug #1537152 opened: Can't re-create a model <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537152>
[17:34] <voidspace> frobware: that looks spurious, retry
[17:34] <voidspace> frobware: I've had that before
[17:35] <mup> Bug #1537152 changed: Can't re-create a model <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537152>
[17:41] <mup> Bug #1537152 opened: Can't re-create a model <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537152>
[17:50] <mup> Bug #1537153 opened: juju deploy --config option ignored when deploying a bundle <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537153>
[19:03] <bdx> charmers, SOS --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-helpers/+bug/1534819
[19:03] <mup> Bug #1534819: FetchHandler charmhelpers.fetch.giturl.GitUrlFetchHandler not found <Charm Helpers:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1534819>
[20:00] <natefinch> katco: aww man, I missed that you could request to view resources for a specific unit, not just a service... didn't notice it until I was reading your user stories.
[20:03] <katco> natefinch: not surprising... i think that is a farily new addition (maybe in capetown)
[20:04] <natefinch> katco: revision history says it's been there since December 17th... I must have just glazed over it somehow
[20:04] <natefinch> katco: definitely the nice thing about having a more explicit, verbose set of user stories - harder to miss stuff
[20:05] <natefinch> as opposed to missing "[/unit]" in a huge document :)
[20:05] <katco> natefinch: yeah maybe that's what it is. alexisb called it out specifically in her notes, and as i was reviewing the spec to make the user stories i called it out specifically
[20:09] <natefinch> katco: what happens if you do juju resources --verbose mydb/0 ?
[20:10] <katco> natefinch: undefined as of yet
[20:10] <katco> natefinch: error
[20:26] <mup> Bug #1536819 opened: Feature Request: Storage support for openstack provider-specific config parameters <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536819>
[20:29] <perrito666> blah is a controller, use destroy-controller is perhaps the most anoying error We have
[20:30] <natefinch> oh, I'm sure we have worse errors than that
[20:30] <perrito666> that one is annoying
[20:30] <natefinch> what was that in response to you doing?
[20:30] <perrito666> you know what it is, you know what I want to do withit, dont get semantic on me
[20:31] <perrito666> natefinch: destroy-environment blah
[20:31] <natefinch> destroy controller sounds like a command you should never have to type
[20:33] <natefinch> we need a better name for what we now call environment
[20:33] <natefinch> I thought controller meant the state server(s)
[20:35] <natefinch> bleh
[20:39] <natefinch> perrito666: maybe we just need a destroy blah command
[22:54] <mup> Bug #1536215 changed: 1.25.0: deployment times out - system is deployed successfully by maas 1.9 but juju state never transitions from pending <oil> <juju-core:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536215>


[00:01] <_mup_> juju/close-open-port r453 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:01] <_mup_> Corresponding fix
[00:16] <hazmat> verterok, that looks odd, it looks like an s3 access error
[00:16] <hazmat> verterok, what version of openstack is that?
[00:30] <SpamapS> hazmat: should be diablo
[00:44] <_mup_> juju/trunk r452 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:44] <_mup_> merge close-open-port [r=hazmat][f=908198]
[00:44] <_mup_> [trivial] Closing an unopened port, then actually opening it, should work.
[00:46] <grapz> so, I guess most admins have a set of apps/stuff they want on all servers (fail2ban, bootmail, postfix config, syslog.conf). Has there been any talks about maybe supporting a charm that will be applied to all servers, in addition to the charm you deploy to do this, or is it going to be part of the sub-unit stuff. Or should admins just use puppet for those things ?
[00:51] <SpamapS> grapz: Yes, the subordinate-charms spec covers this. You will have a system policy charm that you can deploy and relate to all services.
[00:51] <grapz> SpamapS, cool
[00:51] <SpamapS> grapz: its actually the main reason for subordinate-charms :)
[01:19] <grapz> SpamapS, you don't have something like Harvest or bugtagging to find easy to fix bugs? :)
[06:53] <koolhead17> hi all
[07:34] <SpamapS> grapz_afk: we haven't been tagging things bitesize, but we should. :)
[08:53] <_mup_> Bug #926550 was filed: No way to test proposed updates to juju <juju:New> <juju (Ubuntu):New> <juju (Ubuntu Oneiric):New> <juju (Ubuntu Precise):New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/926550 >
[15:37] <verterok> m_3: no, it never finished starting the machine
[15:38] <verterok> hazmat: no idea of the specific version, I can ask on of the sysadmins on Monday
[15:38] <verterok> is there a way I can get the version via an API?
[17:21] <SpamapS> verterok: you are taling about canonistack right?
[19:18] <koolhead17> SpamapS: did some work regarding  php5 bug today
[19:28] <SpamapS> koolhead17: hm
[19:29] <SpamapS> koolhead17: be warned, there's a HUGE change coming from Debian
[19:29] <SpamapS> koolhead17: I think I may have to take the merge for that one
[19:29] <SpamapS> koolhead17: and we may end up going with PHP 5.4.0 after all
[19:29] <SpamapS> koolhead17: don't bother with 5.3.9 .. its broken. :-/
[19:29] <koolhead17> SpamapS: ooh
[19:30] <koolhead17> SpamapS: will you give me screen when you will do this merging?
[19:30]  * koolhead17 would love to see the magic
[19:30] <koolhead17> i was thinking to just add the patch for the assigned bug!! :)
[19:30]  * koolhead17 was reading up on quilt
[19:31] <koolhead17> http://paste.ubuntu.com/828932/
[19:32] <SpamapS> koolhead17: its not magic
[19:32] <SpamapS> koolhead17: its boring, hard work. ;)