[19:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: hey! did a lot of LoCo stuff for our upcoming meeting. I had our head graphics guy working like crazy, as he had free time too. so look at our wiki page and the subpages. All except the Team Reports have valid info in them and all of them are cleaned up. Here is a link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WisconsinTeam
[19:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: we have details for our next meeting too, so it would be awesome if you could watch the livestream either during or afterwards.
[19:16] <tsimonq2> wxl: all details are easy enough to find on the wiki page'
[19:16] <wxl> nice!
[19:16] <wxl> you're going to use hangouts then tsimonq2 ?
[19:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: yep!
[19:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: I already have two of my friends watching. I plan on starting at 6:50 by myself to kinda give a brief intro to who we are and what we are doing, as well as links to items, for people who don't know and are watching afterwards
[19:19] <tsimonq2> wxl: and then the meeting will wrap up around 8:00, but I will stay until 8:10 to say sorta the same things, as well as give extra links and resources
[19:19] <wxl> i wish there was a good foss alternative to hangouts…
[19:20] <tsimonq2> but it does what we need it for, so good enough
[19:20] <tsimonq2> at least IMO
[19:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: so here is our agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/1022/detail/
[19:21] <tsimonq2> wxl: take a look
[19:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: so a lot more details about what I have done and where we are going in the future are going to be in that livestream, so I would highly reccomend watching
[19:22] <tsimonq2> *recommend
[19:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: so that wraps up my little mini-report! :D
[19:24] <wxl> nice
[19:24] <wxl> keep up the good work
[19:24] <tsimonq2> :D
[19:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: so do you plan on watching just for documentational/informational purposes?
[19:27] <wxl> if i can watch
[19:27] <tsimonq2> ok, cool :D
[19:27] <tsimonq2> (all times are in CST, so 4:50 your time)
[19:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^


[20:52] <naquad> hi
[20:53] <naquad> what are available ways to access with Ubuntu One storage?
[20:53] <naquad> i need something like rsync
[20:57] <jgdx> naquad: can this page help you? https://one.ubuntu.com/developer/
[20:58] <naquad> jgdx, those are apis, i really don't want to hack something own, i'm looking for some existing solution
[21:03] <jgdx> okay, sorry, I know of nothing like that. But stick around, someone will.
[21:04] <naquad> jgdx, thanks for trying anyway. seems that i'm not alone in this problem: lots of google links on similar questions


[06:02] <Kilos> morning all.
[06:03] <Kilos> eish inetpro what happened?
[06:29] <Symmetria> morning
[06:29] <Kilos> hi Symmetria
[06:37] <Symmetria> heh, so like, my html skills have always truely sucked
[06:37] <Symmetria> and my flash skills have been non-existent
[06:38] <Symmetria> so Im kinda impressed that this lightroom thingy, I just discovered, churns out templated photo gallery websites
[06:38] <Symmetria> lol, select photos, select template, insert ftp information, hit go ;p
[06:39] <Kilos> lucky hey?
[06:40] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/photography/
[06:40] <Symmetria> check it out :)
[06:40] <Kilos> size?
[06:40] <Symmetria> shouldnt be that big
[06:40] <Kilos> haha what is your not that big?
[06:41] <Symmetria> umm images are like 200k each
[06:41] <Symmetria> so seriously not big :)
[06:41] <Symmetria> probably 3 meg for the entire site
[06:41] <Kilos> ok
[06:42] <Kilos> ah its all your photos
[06:43] <Symmetria> yeah, I was just experimenting :)
[06:43] <Symmetria> but lol literally in lightroom, I just selected a bunch
[06:43] <Symmetria> gave it an ftp server
[06:43] <Symmetria> and hit "upload to web gallery"
[06:43] <Symmetria> ;p
[06:43] <Symmetria> and thats what popped out, lol, havent played with the templates etc
[06:43] <Kilos> looks good
[06:43] <Kilos> leave it light
[06:44] <Kilos> mobile peeps suffer
[06:46] <Symmetria> heh that software even asks you when you publish if you wanna watermark or anything else
[06:46] <Symmetria> its fantastic :)
[06:46] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:19] <Kilos> whew its cold up here. wind freezing and strong
[09:32] <charl> good morning
[09:32] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:32]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:32] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:32] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[09:33] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:33] <charl> how's it going
[09:33] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[09:33] <Kilos> are you on ubuntu?
[09:34] <Kilos> im doing something wrong with putty
[09:35] <Kilos> and have no idea what it could be
[09:36] <charl> i'm doing well thanks
[09:36] <charl> i'm on ubuntu yes
[09:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[09:36] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:36] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:36] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:36] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[09:36] <Kilos> do you have putty installed
[09:36] <charl> nope
[09:37] <charl> are you running putty on windows, or on an emulator?
[09:37] <charl> wine or so
[09:37] <Kilos> on ubuntu
[09:37] <Kilos> trying to get in here
[09:37] <Kilos> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090/
[09:37] <charl> oh wait, i see there is an ubuntu package for putty
[09:37] <Kilos> login is admin and password is squareone
[09:37] <charl> didn't know
[09:38] <Kilos> yes
[09:38] <Kilos> for some reason it dont accept me login in with that username of admin
[09:39] <Kilos> you gotta go in with telnet
[09:40] <trender> incompatability with the telnet client settings
[09:40] <charl> ah i see, interesting
[09:40] <Kilos> do you have a workaround?
[09:40] <trender> the only client that logs in perfectly is hyperterminal for winxp
[09:41] <trender> as far as i cant tell
[09:41] <trender> with default settings that is
[09:41] <Kilos> something in the putty settings charl that dont agree
[09:41] <Kilos> maybe it sees our utf-8 as japanese
[09:42] <Kilos> hehe
[09:42] <charl> hmmm, i don't see anything in that web interface that is related to ssh
[09:42] <charl> just quickly looking
[09:42] <charl> strange
[09:42] <trender> speaking of putty i havnt had my morning movement yet :)
[09:42] <Kilos> nope it opens with telnet
[09:43] <trender> telnet is the only way to access this box at an OS level
[09:43] <Kilos> ive tried ssh and the other options in putty but only telnet gets there
[09:44] <trender> the support documentation says you should use Hyperterminal to access the telnet client
[09:45] <trender> but i dont know how the blazehen accessed the box
[09:45] <trender> he was inside the box messing with the OS
[09:45] <trender> i think he was the first oke to successfully log in besides myself
[09:46] <Kilos> hi acherv
[09:46] <acherv> Kilos, hi
[09:47] <trender> kilos this boxes OS resides in firmware so if you reset the box it automatically transfers the OS to the drive
[09:47] <trender> to effect OS upgrade you would need to update the firware
[09:48] <trender> firmware
[09:48] <Kilos> ya but it will need to know where to find that upgrade
[09:49] <trender> well all you linux gurus should be able to hack this box to a working state
[09:50] <inetpro> Kilos: what happened where?
[09:50] <inetpro> good morning
[09:50] <Kilos> with you tweeting at 3am inetpro
[09:50] <Kilos> hi
[09:50] <inetpro> ahh
[09:51] <inetpro> brain not coming to a rest
[09:51] <inetpro> to much to do in the coming weeks
[09:51] <Kilos> ah not a break down
[09:51] <inetpro> nope, but it's coming
[09:52] <Kilos> you mustnt lose sleep over something thats in the future
[09:52] <Kilos> oh my
[09:52] <inetpro> :-)
[09:52] <inetpro> we're moving from the city centre to Hatfield
[09:52] <inetpro> lot and lots of stuff to do
[09:52] <Kilos> eish
[09:53] <inetpro> to a new building with a new network and all
[09:53] <Kilos> ah that could be better once sorted
[09:53] <Kilos> and no rats
[09:53] <inetpro> :-)
[09:55] <Kilos> charl, you use only the ip addy with putty
[09:55] <Kilos> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:56] <Kilos> stupid have linux imbedded and wanting to use a windows client
[09:59] <charl> you should be able to use any ssh client, why can't you use openssh?
[09:59] <Kilos> only telnet gets there
[10:00] <charl> and the linux telnet client?
[10:00] <Kilos> it dont accept anything else
[10:00] <Kilos> putty
[10:00] <charl> that is very strange
[10:00] <Kilos> yeah
[10:00] <charl> sounds like they are doing something weird, i mean telnet is telnet
[10:00] <charl> ssh is ssh
[10:01] <charl> i find it all very strange
[10:01] <trender> this box was designed in 2007 man
[10:01] <Kilos> it says ssh refused
[10:01] <trender> hyperterminal client logs in first shot ounce again "mabee thats a clue"
[10:02] <charl> inetpro: you're in london? or is that another hatfield
[10:02] <inetpro> charl: Hatfield in Pretoria
[10:02] <charl> oh i see, i was looking at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield,_Hertfordshire
[10:02] <charl> ah, found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield,_Pretoria
[10:03] <Kilos> further to travel inetpro
[10:03] <inetpro> Kilos: unfortunately yes
[10:03] <Kilos> through town
[10:03] <Kilos> eish
[10:03] <charl> i used to work at a company in erasmusrand
[10:03] <inetpro> but they say a change is as good as a holiday
[10:04] <Squirm> morning
[10:05] <Squirm> afternoon*
[10:05] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[10:05] <Kilos> ya inetpro for a day or two
[10:06] <Kilos> but having all new stuff might make the future probs less
[10:06] <inetpro> Kilos: no choice, will make the best of it where ever I go
[10:06] <Kilos> thats the attitude
[10:07] <inetpro> lots of fun and games
[10:07] <inetpro> actually can't wait
[10:07] <inetpro> hence the brain working overtime
[10:08] <Kilos> lol
[10:09] <Kilos> Squirm, work out putty for me so i can get into this little server
[10:09] <Kilos> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:09] <Squirm> what do you mean, work out putty?
[10:09]  * inetpro trying to consider all the many eventualities that were not considered properly as we get closer to the actual move
[10:10] <Kilos> putty is a remote desktop thing
[10:10] <inetpro> or rather those that may not have been planned properly
[10:10] <Squirm> putty is an ssh client
[10:10] <Kilos> inetpro, there is nothing you can do till then so sleep
[10:10] <Kilos> pswd is squareone
[10:11] <inetpro> Kilos: what are you trying to do with putty when you have Ubuntu with a proper ssh client?
[10:11] <Kilos> ya but that server only accepts telnet
[10:11] <inetpro> Kilos: ubuntu also has a telnet client by default
[10:11] <Squirm> then in putty, tick the telnet radio button
[10:11] <Kilos> it wont allow ssh inetpro
[10:12] <Kilos> i have Squirm but it dont recognise the user login
[10:12] <Kilos> i get to it but cant login
[10:12] <Squirm> and in Ubuntu, you could `telnet <IP_ADDRESS>`
[10:12] <Kilos> i thought it could be a setting that im doing wrong
[10:13] <Kilos> from cli?
[10:14] <inetpro> but Kilos, you don't need telnet to get in there
[10:14] <inetpro> you need a browser
[10:14] <Kilos> ya ive been there with a browser but also them settings i dunno what to do
[10:15] <Kilos> not the same thing
[10:15] <inetpro> well who gave you the address?
[10:15] <Kilos> going in with telnet shows you its keyboard methinks
[10:15] <Kilos> trender
[10:16] <Kilos> but he is not a linux guy
[10:16] <inetpro> trender trying to set up a honeypot?
[10:16] <Kilos> so he wants to know how to install stuff
[10:16] <inetpro> or he wants us to shut down that box for him?
[10:17] <Kilos> he wants to know how to use it or fix it or something
[10:17] <inetpro> ai!
[10:18] <inetpro> how long is a piece of string?
[10:18] <Kilos> hehe
[10:19] <Kilos> if he can get them sorted he can sell them as servers or whatever else they could be used for
[10:19] <charl> lol, change the password so he can't get in :) the info is in the irc logs now
[10:19]  * acherv is trying to get what Kilos and inetpro speak about
[10:20] <Kilos> acherv, read the logs if you can
[10:20] <acherv> Kilos, for today or ....
[10:20] <Kilos> no man charl
[10:20] <Kilos> today only
[10:20] <inetpro> lunchtime
[10:20] <charl> :)
[10:20]  * inetpro wbbl
[10:20] <Kilos> from 11.30 am
[10:21] <acherv> Kilos, ok
[10:21] <Kilos> tell me how to get in there with putty
[10:21] <Kilos> i can save you some time acherv
[10:22] <acherv> nice
[10:22] <Kilos> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8090/
[10:22] <Kilos> then install putty from the repos in ubuntu
[10:22] <acherv> what's that?
[10:23] <Kilos> its a tiny server
[10:23] <acherv> ok
[10:23] <acherv> and ...
[10:23] <Kilos> putty is a remote desktop tool i thinki its called
[10:23] <Kilos> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:23] <Kilos> in putty that is the ip you enter
[10:24] <Kilos> user is admin and password is squareone
[10:29] <Squirm> Kilos: I logged in
[10:29] <Squirm> I have a telnet client installed
[10:29] <Kilos> how Squirm
[10:29] <Squirm> on the cli, just type what I said
[10:29] <Squirm> telnet <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:30] <Kilos> yay im in too ty
[10:30] <Squirm> [12:12:37] .:Squirm:. and in Ubuntu, you could `telnet <IP_ADDRESS>`
[10:30] <Kilos> putty was driving me mad
[10:30] <Squirm> :P
[10:31] <Kilos> ty lad, now why doesnt putty do the same
[10:31] <Kilos> its also supposed to work
[10:35] <Squirm> it should
[10:35] <Kilos> maybe if one parts the drive one can install ubuntu server there
[10:35] <Kilos> it seems as if my putty is sending the wrong char set or something
[10:41] <Kilos> maybe putty wants to see a gui
[10:46] <Kilos> ty for your help Squirm
[10:58] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[10:58] <Cantide> hello :)
[10:58] <Cantide> has anyone here tried Ubuntu Touch yet?
[10:58] <charl> hi Cantide
[10:58] <Cantide> hey charl '-'/
[11:04] <charl> how's it going
[11:21] <Cantide> oh~ only saw your message now -.-
[11:21] <Cantide> it is going well :)
[11:21] <Cantide> what about you?
[11:32] <acherv> .
[11:35] <Kilos> acherv, have you foned 183 yet
[11:36] <acherv> no
[11:36] <acherv> I haven't a problem today
[11:37] <acherv> just restart my computer
[11:39] <Kilos> wassup acherv
[11:40] <acherv> Kilos, cool
[11:40] <Kilos> oh sorted?
[11:41] <zeref_> hmmm
[11:42] <Kilos> acherv, you can type in cli sudo touch /forcefsck and file system check will be run on rebooting
[11:45] <acherv> Kilos, is it?
[11:59] <zeref_> herro
[11:59] <Kilos> hi zeref_
[12:00] <CanEat> hi'-'
[12:23] <Moreece> Help
[12:23] <Moreece> I hate 3945ABG intel wireless drivers
[12:23] <Kilos> hi Moreece
[12:23] <Moreece> I am forever battling
[12:23] <Kilos> weelcome to ubuntu-za
[12:23] <Moreece> wifi disconnect, no reconnect, password retries
[12:23] <Moreece> thanks Kilos
[12:24] <Kilos> explain the prob nicely and hang around till someone can help you\
[12:24] <Moreece> I'm ranting but i seriously want this ubuntu to work on this laptop, but fear if I dont come right soon. I'll be leaving ubuntu for greener pastures
[12:24] <Kilos> tell us about yourself first
[12:24] <Moreece> I have a toshiba satellite pro laptop
[12:24] <Moreece> me?
[12:25] <Kilos> what you using etc
[12:25] <Kilos> what ubuntu release etc
[12:25] <Moreece> currently on 12.04
[12:25] <Moreece> 12.10 killed my laptop
[12:25] <Moreece> so I went back to 12.04
[12:25] <Kilos> ok i use that too
[12:26] <Moreece> have downloaded 13.04
[12:26] <Moreece> might install later today
[12:26] <Moreece> but that is another story
[12:26] <Kilos> lol
[12:26] <Moreece> my 12.04 edition, continually drops its wifi connect
[12:26] <Moreece> it seems to be an issue with intel 3945AB cards
[12:26] <Moreece> I am blue from trying
[12:26] <Kilos> ok lets see what we can find
[12:27] <Kilos> Maaz, google 12.04 continually dropping wifi connection
[12:27] <Maaz> Kilos: "12.04 - Dropped wireless connections and reconnections with a ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/127094/dropped-wireless-connections-and-reconnections-with-a-broadcom-bcm4321 :: "12.04 - Wireless connection drops every 30 seconds on an Asus ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/128269/wireless-connection-drops-every-30-seconds-on-an-asus-eee-pc-with-an-
[12:27] <Maaz> atheros-car :: "12.04 - Wireless connection keeps losing connection - Ask Ubuntu" http://askub…
[12:27] <Kilos> Maaz, google 12.04 - Wireless connection keeps losing connection
[12:27] <Maaz> Kilos: "12.04 - Wireless connection keeps losing connection - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/196586/wireless-connection-keeps-losing-connection :: "12.04 - Dropped wireless connections and reconnections with a ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/127094/dropped-wireless-connections-and-reconnections-with-a-broadcom-bcm4321 :: "12.04 - Wireless connection
[12:27] <Maaz> is lost periodically and without apparent ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/128024/wir…
[12:28] <Kilos> Moreece, have you checked some of them out
[12:28] <Moreece> yes, I've scavenged the askubuntu forums
[12:28] <Kilos> eish
[12:29] <Kilos> most the guys here go shopping etc on saterdays so only get here later
[12:29] <Moreece> I'm going raring ringtail ... lets see how that plays out
[12:30] <Kilos> ok and come let us know
[12:30] <Kilos> you done all your update/upgrades hey?
[12:30] <Moreece> .... difficult without connectivity
[12:30] <Moreece> but essentially yes
[12:31] <Kilos> ya but there are some things that just work better after an upgrade
[12:31] <Kilos> fixes lots of things
[12:31] <Kilos> ah you have
[12:32] <Kilos> are you in a good wireless area Moreece ?
[12:32] <Kilos> not the signal dropping
[12:34] <Kilos> where are you?
[12:36] <acherv> Kilos, later
[12:36] <Moreece> its my wlan at home
[12:38] <Kilos> ok acherv
[12:38] <Kilos> ah so signal is good
[12:38] <Moreece> yes, rebooting this laptop quick
[12:38] <Kilos> k
[12:45] <superfly> Maaz: google for 3945ABG intel wireless disconnect ubuntu
[12:45] <Maaz> superfly: "Bug #348204 “[Jaunty] Intel wireless 3945ABG is unstable and dis ..." https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/348204 :: "Bug #425455 “[karmic] Wireless LAN disconnects frequently # Chip ..." https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/425455 :: "Wireless disconnect followed by inability to detect any networks - Intel"
[12:45] <Maaz> http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/pro3945abg/sb/CS-031631.htm :: "11.10 - Wireless connection keeps dropping with an Intel 3945ABG .…
[12:46] <Kilos> ty superfly and hi
[12:46] <Kilos> i think he knows more than i do
[13:53] <Kilos> aw looks like he killed his lappy or else got it working so dont need help
[14:11] <Squirm> ...
[14:13] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey Squirm
[14:15] <kbmonkey> hello you peeps
[14:15] <kbmonkey> what is everyone up to
[14:17] <Kilos> most arent here even
[14:17] <Kilos> wassup by you?
[14:18] <kbmonkey> awe nice and cold today. learning some bash
[14:22] <Kilos> oh kbmonkey did you see that mail fro maia about the job at mxit
[14:23] <kbmonkey> yup
[14:23] <Symmetria> haha disney tried to trademark the name of a public holiday
[14:23] <Symmetria> and got told to go screw themselves
[14:24] <kbmonkey> didnt disney sign a deal to make some ridiculous amount of star wars movies one a year?
[14:24] <Symmetria> disney does some strange things
[14:25] <kbmonkey> they're a loathsome bunch. then again george butchered the star wars saga already :p
[14:27] <kbmonkey> you've seen their wartime propaganda videos they made during world war?
[14:33] <zeref_> hmmm
[15:20] <Symmetria> http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/964134_10151556900390528_172697592_o.jpg
[15:20] <Symmetria> lol
[15:20] <Symmetria> screwing around
[15:22] <kbmonkey> what are you smoking there Symmetria
[15:24] <Symmetria> lol


[01:34] <neil_d> how much memory does a client need ?
[01:36] <kgoetz> client== thin client?
[01:36] <kgoetz> 64mb memory iirc
[01:41] <neil_d> kgoetz: yes it does, thanks
[01:49]  * kgoetz uses 128, but thats because i had 128's handy
[01:49] <carbon_unit> Hi all!
[01:50] <carbon_unit> I have an edubuntu question.
[01:50] <HedgeMage> carbon_unit:  ask it and we might have an answer
[01:51] <carbon_unit> Can edubuntu be setup so that someone on the internet with a windows client can login to it?
[01:51] <carbon_unit> Like I can go home and login with a windows machine?
[01:54] <kgoetz> VNC of some sort?
[01:54] <neil_d> carbon_unit: I don't know, but one way is to make the home dual boot linux.
[01:55] <carbon_unit> Well I run Linux at home but the students may not have that option.
[01:56] <carbon_unit> But they can terminal serve in from the internet?
[01:56] <kgoetz> terminal service in your mind being...?
[01:57] <carbon_unit> from the internet they can get a login prompt and log into their account on the edubuntu server seeing their edubuntu desktop.
[01:57] <carbon_unit> or what can they do?
[01:57] <kgoetz> if you make the system available to the internet, and install something like vnc on it, they can
[01:57] <kgoetz> afk. putting our new work server in :)
[01:58] <kgoetz> back in a few hours
[01:59] <carbon_unit> So I don't really need LTSP to do this, VNC will work instead?
[02:00] <kgoetz> what your asking requires something other then ltsp
[02:00] <kgoetz> afaik
[02:00] <kgoetz> bug really gone now ;)
[02:00] <carbon_unit> Cool. Thanks!
[02:02] <carbon_unit> Laterz.
[02:07] <neil_d> is there a url that explains how to setup the server to run 64bit and the client 32bit ?
[04:39] <eljefe_> can anyone tell me how to fix compiz on edubuntu?  the apps always start blank
[04:41] <eljefe_> i think it needs something added in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but i don't know what
[06:54] <neil_d> seen the artigo at www.mini-itx.com make a good ltsp terminal
[07:04] <lns> neil_d, for $358 USD?? Damn expensive thin client! =)
[07:04] <lns> it does look very slick though
[07:35] <Goosemoose> what are the stats on it?
[07:50] <Burgundavia> RichEd: finally getting around to adding your stuff to the fridge
[07:59] <RichEd> thanks Burgundavia ... much obliged
[08:05] <Burgundavia> no worries, sorry about the crazy delay
[08:11] <neil_d> lns: didn't say cheap
[11:13] <killsalad> hello i've got bit problem with ubuntu7.10 ltsp and local device access - on thin client everything is ok and server has all required software,  but there's no directory with device content
[11:39] <ScorpFromHell> I need to install edubuntu on 100 machines of same config, can I use Ghost to copy the disk image to all the machines once I install it on one machine?
[11:45] <ScorpFromHell> Is there an OEM option for installing Edubuntu?
[11:47] <RichEd> ScorpFromHell: ghost should work fine
[11:48] <ScorpFromHell> Thanks RichEd
[11:48] <RichEd> ( try one before you do the whole batch :)
[11:51] <ScorpFromHell> RichEd, ofcourse :) NEver thought I would run into this problem this soon!!!
[12:01] <Jay-Oh-En> can anybody here help my friend ScorpFromHell install edubuntu on 100 pc's
[12:02] <ScorpFromHell> JAy-Oh-En, I tried asking here too :) RichEd let me know that Ghost can be tried out.
[12:02] <Jay-Oh-En> ok kool
[12:02] <`6og> or mondo, or preseeding
[12:02] <RichEd> ScorpFromHell: there is also an open source ghost equivalent ... if you want to go pure and side-step licence fees rather than avoid them
[12:03]  * `6og cant remember the name of the mass netinstall tools
[12:04] <ScorpFromHell> RichEd, we have Ghost licenses, thats why I wanted to know if we could use that. We plan to donate our old machines to some schools :)
[12:04] <RichEd> ScorpFromHell: okay :)
[12:05] <RichEd> == channel note = there will not be an edubuntu meeting today ==
[12:05] <RichEd> ( due to ogra not being available & RichEd on a half day and wrapping up for leave )
[12:05] <`6og> heh.
[12:06] <`6og> ScorpFromHell, you should check out mondo too, just so if the schools ask you, you can give them an option
[12:06] <ScorpFromHell> `6og, let me check out mondo
[12:07] <`6og> ScorpFromHell, the version in dapper has nagware in it, but the later versions are all "clean"
[12:08] <`6og> wb
[12:08] <ScorpFromHell> btw, may be I should give a background about my group first :)
[12:08] <`6og> please do :)
[12:08] <ScorpFromHell> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-bangalore-non-tech/message/6991 has some deets
[12:09] <ScorpFromHell> in short, based in India, multiple locations
[12:09] <ScorpFromHell> aim to bring cheap ICT to schools
[12:09] <`6og> nice.
[12:10] <`6og> similar to what ITShare SA do ( http://www.itshare.org.au )
[12:11] <ScorpFromHell> Wow!! That's a cool idea ... but not applicable in India :D people do not have much computers in the first place to donate in viable numbers
[12:12] <ScorpFromHell> still, I guess I could start something on those lines to get donations from the IT companies
[12:12] <`6og> its taken us almost a decade to get to where we are, but its finally starting to get bigger
[12:20] <Jay-Oh-En> you guys are amazing
[12:20] <`6og> hehe.
[12:20] <Jay-Oh-En> i wish i could do that here in vegas
[12:36] <ScorpFromHell> `6og, sorry ... got dc
[12:37] <ScorpFromHell> had a short blackout :( its the darn rains maybe
[12:37] <`6og> ScorpFromHell, no worries
[12:47] <pips1> isn't there supposed to be a meeting now?
[12:48] <pips1> did i miss it?
 == channel note = there will not be an edubuntu meeting today ==
 ( due to ogra not being available & RichEd on a half day and wrapping up for leave )
[12:51] <ScorpFromHell> When do the meetings happen? And what happens in those meetings?
[12:51] <pips1> `6og: thanks
[12:52] <`6og> pips1, np
[12:53] <pips1> ScorpFromHell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Community/MeetingAgenda
[12:54] <pips1> in the first half we talk about ongoing development, in the second meeting half we talk about issues relevant to users of edubuntu
[12:55] <pips1> got to run..
[12:55] <pips1> bye
[13:01] <ScorpFromHell> `6og, gotta go too ... will keep peeping in time to time :)
[13:02] <`6og> ScorpFromHell, look forward to seeing you again :)
[14:46] <bddebian> HNeya
[14:51] <airjump> hi
[18:39] <skipper> Can someone help me with a problem?
[19:19] <ScorpFromHell> `6og, found a possible answer for my 100 m/c install issue ... http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-unattended-ubuntu-network-install
[22:45] <Goosemoose> has there been any progress on the integration with AD that's happening in hardy?
[22:46] <johnny> AD integration already works in linux for the most part i think
[22:46] <johnny> i assume that they are just going to make it a bit easier..
[22:47] <stgraber> IIRC Ubuntu has a spec about using alternative authentication modules (ldap/ad/nis/...) and some tools are now there to make that easier to configure
[22:47] <johnny> hmm.. no idea..
[22:47] <stgraber> mainly by creating profiles, then being able to switch between profiles
[22:47] <`6og> iirc there was a bug in libpam re AD
[22:48] <stgraber> auth-client-config and authtool that's (from a quick apt-cache search)
[22:59] <Goosemoose> i have ad integration setup by manually editing a bunch of conf files
[22:59] <Goosemoose> but there's an integration going into hardy that was making it a one liner
[23:00] <Goosemoose> i forget who was working on it now
[23:00] <Dante123> Looking for some programmers  http://sourceforge.net/projects/spellinator
[23:00] <Dante123> looking for some programmers  http://sourceforge.net/projects/spellinator
[23:34] <johnny> Dante123, for how much?
[23:38] <Dante123> this is open source....gratis
[23:38] <Dante123> but you'll sleep easy at night knowing you've done your part for literacy!
[23:44] <johnny> i get paid for open source
[23:45] <johnny> i work on the system level already.. to make the overall platform better
[23:45] <johnny> as well as various web apps
[23:45] <Dante123> well, that's good.  This is basically a program that teachers/parents would use with elementary school children...
[23:46] <johnny> i'm suprised edubuntu doesn't already have something like that
[23:46] <Dante123> The original was made on an old mac using Hypercard.....I'd like to see the basic idea revived....
[23:46] <johnny> yeah.. i'm just wondering if something already exists
[23:47] <Dante123> I'm new to using sourceforge....so I put up there what I could.....no nothing quite like it exists.  There are programs/sites that will give you activities similar to some of these....but not all of them...and they are canned...in other words you have to work with the words they give you.
[23:48] <Dante123> The difference here is the control is put back into the teacher/parents hand....
[23:49] <johnny> maybe you can get folks who are already working on edu apps to do it
[23:49] <johnny> like kde edu
[23:49] <Dante123> So if you were doing a unit in a different subject- say social studies, you could pick words related to that....or if you want to focus on a prefix or suffix....there are word lists that come up and give you lists of words that fit the pattern....you select the ones you want.
[23:49] <Dante123> I will try there.  Thanks.
[23:50] <Dante123> any other irc chat channels you think I should look into?
[23:50] <johnny> i don't know where the gnome edu folks hang out
[23:50] <johnny> or you could try building the app in the application called glom
[23:50] <johnny> it's sorta like MS access


[07:23] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:51] <RAOF> Aloha!
[07:53] <mlankhorst> so it seems intel works on x 1.12 but broke on earlier, sigh :S
[07:55] <tjaalton> broke?
[07:55] <tjaalton> what broke it
[07:56] <mlankhorst> crashes on some damage when I try to start it
[07:57] <mlankhorst> so I'm trying to bisect xserver now for it
[07:58] <tjaalton> but this is quantal?
[07:59] <tjaalton> i'm just confused :)
[07:59] <mlankhorst> im trying to make this one start on precise at least, the x1.12 ppa works on precise
[08:28] <mlankhorst> so -> bisection time
[09:38] <mlankhorst>  ah perfect, the part where it bumped video abi still triggers crash
[10:38] <mlankhorst> hm, I think bisecting kernel is more pleasant than X..
[11:56] <mlankhorst> oddly enough now the 1.12 version is crashing too, i swear it worked before, but maybe that was without valgrind
[12:08] <mlankhorst> RAOF: is the osvendorfatalerror needed in the rethrow signals xorg-server patch
[12:29] <mlankhorst> cnd: ping?
[14:02] <mlankhorst> interesting.. another valgrind issue
[14:03] <mlankhorst> victim being radeon on suspend/resume it seems
[14:04] <cnd> mlankhorst, pong
[14:05] <mlankhorst> cnd: in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/968845 you mention a xorg-xserver patch that has to be reverted due to another bug
[14:05] <mlankhorst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1009629
[14:07] <cnd> yes?
[14:08] <mlankhorst> is that x server patch really required for the other bug to be fixed?
[14:08] <cnd> a fix is required, but there's a new set of patches that fixes it properly
[14:09] <cnd> see http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/log/
[14:09] <cnd> everything from "include: add BUG_RETURN_* macros" to "dix: disable all devices before shutdown" I think
[14:10] <mlankhorst> ah k
[14:10] <mlankhorst> does it need any fixes in synaptics as well?
[14:10] <jcristau> that set wasn't considered suitable for the stable branch though
[14:14] <mlankhorst> jcristau: hm I am tempted to send in a patch for server that reverts to the old behavior at least, quickly reviewing up to drop client argument reveals no functional change so that part could be skipped..
[14:14] <cnd> jcristau, why not?
[14:15] <cnd> is it an abi breaker?
[14:15] <jcristau> because it's a rabbit hole, aiui
[14:17] <cnd> mlankhorst, we still need synaptics 1.6.2
[14:17] <cnd> and we will still need this bug fixed in the server
[14:18] <cnd> whether it's by backporting all those patches or just creating a smaller patch to do the same thing on our server
[14:19] <mlankhorst> ok I'm not a xorg dev but looks like we'd need to pick 'dix: return early from DisableDevice if the device is already disabled' onwards only, but freeing sprite when device is disabled looks risky for stable.
[14:20] <cnd> yeah, the previous patches just may include functionality that is used in these patches
[14:20] <cnd> we could remove any instances of BUG_RETURN_VAL
[14:20] <mlankhorst> I'll use my memory corruption for justification of synaptics 1.6.2 then :)
[14:21] <mlankhorst> those seem functionally identical so yeah could be dropped
[14:22] <cnd> mlankhorst, I can't tell if the bad patch is supposed to be reverted though
[14:22] <cnd> or just left as is, with these new fixes on top
[14:22] <mlankhorst> I'll just check if that git tree has it
[14:22] <cnd> I'm trying to figure out
[14:22] <cnd> yeah
[14:23] <mlankhorst> judging from http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=4c68f5d395c66f28b56e488cb3cd12f36820357b it was supposed to be kept in
[14:26] <cnd> yeah
[14:26] <mlankhorst> I'll test
[14:27] <mlankhorst> if Xephyr is broken still on top of those I'll sru the revert patch for now
[14:53] <mlankhorst> only 1 patch has to be adjusted fortunately
[15:10] <mlankhorst> cnd: one question though, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=e433d1046c222f9d969c2c28a4651ff9097614f4
[15:11] <mlankhorst> dev->enabled is set last, wouldn't it be possible for DisableDevice to be called twice on same device as result?
[15:12] <mlankhorst> probably not possible due to semantics, but I thought I'd ask :)
[15:12] <jcristau> the server is single threaded
[15:12] <jcristau> and i don't think you get to call disabledevice from a signal handler
[15:12] <mlankhorst> jcristau: I mean more because of the additional disabledevice call there
[15:12] <jcristau> ah
[15:13] <jcristau> stupid me
[15:14] <jcristau> i don't think the if would fire for both paired devices
[15:14] <mlankhorst> neither, just wanted to have confirmation from someone who understands the code better :)
[15:15]  * jcristau shuts up :)
[15:26] <cnd> mlankhorst, yes, this shouldn't be an issue if I understand things right :)
[15:26] <cnd> tbh, I don't know all the ins and outs of paired devices and how they are implemented
[15:26] <cnd> whot is probably the only one who does
[15:26] <mlankhorst> im guessing one of them has to be sprite owner
[15:26] <cnd> yeah
[15:31] <mlankhorst> in either case refreshed those patches on x1.11, seems to fix the Xephyr issue.
[15:39] <mlankhorst> cnd: can you upload to proposed?
[15:54] <mlankhorst> or anyone? :)
[15:57] <cnd> mlankhorst, I can
[15:57] <cnd> do you have a package ready?
[15:57] <mlankhorst> yeah it's in xorg-server ubuntu-precise branch
[15:58] <mlankhorst> brb food
[16:00] <cnd> mlankhorst, ok, I'll review and upload
[16:00] <cnd> thanks!
[16:27] <cnd> mlankhorst, uploaded to precise-proposed
[16:27] <mlankhorst> thanks :)
[16:28] <mlankhorst> I added ubuntu-sru to the bug report, do I need to do anything else?
[16:31] <seb128> mlankhorst, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[16:31] <seb128> mlankhorst, basically your bug need "impact", "regression potential" and "test case" in its description
[16:31] <seb128> mlankhorst, and to be nominated for precise ... what bug number is that?
[16:32] <mlankhorst> seb128: those are in the bug :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1009629
[16:32] <seb128> mlankhorst, ok, you are all set then
[16:32] <mlankhorst> perfect, thanks :)
[16:32] <seb128> mlankhorst, I've put the precise line to fix commited
[16:32] <seb128> since that got uploaded
[16:32] <mlankhorst> ah k
[16:33] <seb128> mlankhorst, you should probably get the fix in quantal as well, or at least in the package vcs for quantal
[16:33] <mlankhorst> it is
[16:33] <seb128> mlankhorst, the SRU team likes to make sure issue will be addressed in the devel version as well
[16:33] <seb128> mlankhorst, ok, then probably put the bug from confirmed to fix commited
[20:09] <mlankhorst> cnd: can you upload xserver-xorg-input-synaptics ubuntu-precise branch too after I verify it? And maybe upload ubuntu branch to quantal so that version in quantal won't be lower than precise.
[20:15] <cnd> mlankhorst, sure, just let me know when you're done verifying
[20:15] <cnd> thanks!
[20:15] <mlankhorst> I verified it with the quantal package so you can upload that one at least (since it's just a version bump)
[20:18] <mlankhorst> ok precise one too :)
[20:25] <mlankhorst> Tomorrow I'm going to take a look at why valgrind is throwing errors at radeon suspend, noticed that when testing synaptics. Hopefully after that my radeon laptop shows up no errors with valgrind any more. :)
[21:32] <ernstp> looks like the radeon module in no longer included in linux-image from 3.4 builds and on
[21:32] <ernstp> both precise and mainline
[21:33] <ernstp> it boots with vesafb and then I can't access the computer when xorg starts actually, still ssh though
[21:33] <ernstp> I mean qunatal and mainline
[21:41] <jwi> ernstp: install the *-image-extra-* package
[21:50] <dupondje> Hi some small question. How about Optimus support in Quantal? Something got in yet or ?
[21:51] <mlankhorst> >implying support is available upstream
[21:51] <mlankhorst> ;)
[21:52] <dupondje> having bumblebee would be a great step imo ...
[21:52] <jcristau> hahaha
[21:52] <jcristau> you must be kidding
[21:52] <mlankhorst> bumblebee is a great step, it's in the wrong direction though..
[21:52] <dupondje> why ?
[21:52] <dupondje> bumblebee is not THE solution indeed
[21:53] <mlankhorst> it's unmaintainable and upstream work is already being done with dmabuf
[21:53] <dupondje> I just want a solution so I can disable my second vga card
[21:53] <dupondje> cause in a laptop, its a power drain
[21:54] <jcristau> why did you buy it then?
[21:54] <dupondje> because else it works fine :)
[21:55] <dupondje> its better having a partial solution then nothing no ?
[21:55] <jcristau> no
[21:55] <mlankhorst> not if the solution is WRONG :(
[21:55] <jwi> as long as you don't have to maintain it...
[21:56] <dupondje> whats the plan for Quantal then ?
[21:56] <mlankhorst> upstream the prime bits
[21:57] <dupondje> which will take care of suspending the second vga card ?
[22:16] <mlankhorst> dupondje: Hopefully, but that hasn't been completed yet :)
[22:17] <dupondje> where can I follow its status ? :)
[22:17] <mlankhorst> follow x server commits, especially xrandr related ones currently
[22:19] <dupondje> ok thanks!


[01:32] <lynorian> bug 1641783
[01:33] <lynorian> wxl might be good if you could look into that I am going to run errands and see my dad
[01:33]  * tsimonq2 assigns to himself
[01:34] <tsimonq2> !info manpages-posix
[01:34] <tsimonq2> !info manpages-posix zesty
[01:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: Pinged infinity about that bug, those should be part of the standard tasksel install, no?
[01:38] <wxl> i'd suspect so yes
[01:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: Damn it Phill, come on, set up Alternates right. :P XD
[01:56] <wxl> he had nothing to do with it
[01:56] <tsimonq2> I was kidding.
[01:56] <wxl> i doubt he contributed a single character of code, ever
[01:56] <tsimonq2> OH SHIT XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[01:57] <wxl> !language | tsimonq2
[01:57] <tsimonq2> Bah
[04:12] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Thank you very much for finding this out. :)
[04:12] <lynorian> yeah this would still even be wanted for lxqt
[04:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: And I always wondered why Phill said that Alternate images install faster and take up less space... it's because the standard *and* minimal tasks are not being selected by tasksel!
[04:13] <tsimonq2>  /o\
[04:13] <tsimonq2> lynorian: I would consider this a very urgent thing to fix.
[04:14] <lynorian> although this is our problem not ubuntu servers problem they still got man with standard serever utilities
[17:06] <wxl> tsimonq2: hahhaah oops. XD and the minimal was NEVER there?


[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[15:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:05] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, hi!
[15:06] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: hows things?
[15:07] <popey> moo
[15:10] <czajkowski> ello popey
[15:11] <czajkowski> hmm update messed with my keyboard again
[15:11] <czajkowski> *boggles*
[15:11] <popey> heh
[15:11] <popey> London office is busy today.
[15:13] <czajkowski> oh nice
[15:13] <czajkowski> please go say hi to sabrina and give her a hug from me
[15:13] <czajkowski> :)
[15:14] <popey> I have no idea who that is ⍨
[15:14] <popey> so many faces here I don't know
[15:15] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, good good , working on http://ubuconla.org
[15:20] <popey> I read that as Ubu-cola ☻
[15:20] <popey> nice web design!
[15:28] <SergioMeneses> popey, thanks!
[15:28] <SergioMeneses> I am going to send information to the planet these days
[15:34] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: cola! :)
[15:34] <czajkowski> popey: go find and say hi !
[15:34] <czajkowski> :)
[15:36] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, I asked for sponsorship to mongodb :D - I used your blog-post
[15:57] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: I saw and we're reviwing it this week :)
[15:57] <czajkowski> cheers
[15:57] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, thanks a lot!
[15:58] <SergioMeneses> dpm, should come and join us!
[15:58] <dpm> SergioMeneses, ah, yeah, we need to talk about it again :)
[15:59] <SergioMeneses> dpm, just tell me when you are available :D
[17:14] <jono> jose, hey
[17:14] <jono> sorry, can't do the Q+A today
[17:14] <jose> hey jono, np
[17:14] <jono> let me check when I can reschedule
[17:14] <jose> sure
[17:15] <jose> I was also wondering if we should change our meeting times - haven't been able to meet for the last couple weeks
[17:15] <jono> jose, will reschedule to fri at 9am
[17:15] <jono> pacific
[17:15] <jono> jose, yeah, we should
[17:15] <jose> Q&A moved
[17:15] <jono> can we coordinate this later, I am about to run out
[17:15] <jono> thanks jose!
[17:15] <jose> sure, enjoy your day!
[17:16] <jono> jose, and you!
[17:29] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great day - see you tomorrow!
[17:32]  * popey hugs dholbach
[17:32]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[17:34] <elfy> hi popey
[17:41] <popey> hello elfy
[17:41] <popey> long time no type
[17:41] <elfy> yea - such is the way of it :)
[17:42] <elfy> though I see you keeping the busy hat on
[17:45] <popey> heh
[17:45] <popey> just a bit
[17:45] <elfy> :)