So instead, I suffer. ;)
[12:08] <Xanadu> i think it'll b quicker to drive ;)
[12:08] <timmow> poopinaboot: sorry bad sense of humour
[12:08] <lotusleaf> Xanadu: nope
[12:08] <lotusleaf> Xanadu: well maybe
[12:08] <timmow> lotusleaf:shipit.ubuntu.org
[12:08] <Xanadu> lotusleaf i didn't think anyone in the US still had 64k connections
[12:08] <Xanadu> lol
[12:08] <lotusleaf> timmow: nothing has arrived yet but thx ;)
[12:08] <poopinaboot> timmow: heh
[12:08] <lotusleaf> Xanadu: I still have a 300 baud modem too ;)
[12:09] <Xanadu> lotusleaf: ooh a collector's item! maybe u should set up a BBS with zModem
[12:09] <ayralex> When I last upgraded my PC (bought a new case) I got rid of my 56k modem
[12:09] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: not sure exactly what you need but have a look at xfcalendar
[12:09] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: it's an xfce calendar but available a package
[12:09] <lotusleaf> ayralex: aww, you just trashed the modem after all it did for you? :(
[12:09] <thoreauputic> * as a
[12:09] <lotusleaf> ayralex: I hope you let someone adopt it
[12:10] <ayralex> I did let someone adopt it
[12:10] <poopinaboot> thoreauputic: thanks, I'm just looking for a calendar of May that I can print
[12:10] <shinu> do i make a .tar.gz archive with: tar -c backup/|gzip - > backup.tar.gz ?
[12:10] <karljp> anyone know how to play dvds in totem? specifically ac3 audio?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: ah, I see
[12:10] <karljp> I can watch the video, and I can play them with sound in xine
[12:11] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: surely you could find such a calendar on the web as an html file somewhere ?
[12:11] <timmow> why does noone else seem to want to use wifi and ethernet???
[12:11] <poopinaboot> thoreauputic: ummm, where?
[12:11] <timmow> All configurations i can find are for one or the other
[12:11] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: :/ Google?
[12:12] <timmow> i want both, so that ethernet goes down when wifi is plugged in, back up when wifi is out
[12:12] <dockane> got problems activating dma for my ide drive. (maxtor 160 gb, onboard controller is udma3/ata66 capable). after searching in ubuntu user list archive i now believe its because of generic modules (ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic). am i right with that ? my system is an ibm intellistation m pro (intel 840 chipset)
[12:12] <karljp> you need laptop-net
[12:12] <karljp> timmow: that's designed to solve that problem
[12:12] <karljp> and is slated for integration into breezy by default
[12:13] <karljp> deals with network intfs they way you expect.
[12:13] <bluemax> what is the best video player to use for nsv streams?
[12:13] <jaggi> Hello my fello ubuntu'ers.  I'm new to ubuntu and I installed the opera*.deb package, but it's not in the menus.
[12:13] <karljp> so no trying to dhcp on eth connections that don't have link, and more graceful failover
[12:13] <timmow> karljp: you know any good docs for setting it up?
[12:13] <karljp> apt-get install latpop-net and it just worked for my purposes
[12:13] <jaggi> I'm not sure how to add it to the Applications menu
[12:13] <karljp> it uses the eth when it's plugged in, the wireless if it's not
[12:14] <paulproteus> bluemax: I have never heard of that streaming media extension.
[12:14] <lotusleaf> hey, my 56k download of ubuntu will be done in 18 hours. If shipit doesn't send me my CDs before then, will I win a prize? :D
[12:14] <timmow> karljp: does it do it on the fly, or do you need to reboot?
[12:14] <ayralex> lotusleaf, yes: an ubuntu CD
[12:14] <karljp> just does it.
[12:14] <bluemax> paulproteus: nsv is nullsoft streaming video, it's winamp's internet tv format
[12:14] <lotusleaf> lol
[12:14] <lotusleaf> ayralex: score ;)
[12:14] <paulproteus> bluemax: It seems mplayer and xine should both be able to play it.
[12:14] <dockane> jaggi : if you are new to ubuntu www.ubuntuguide.org may be interesting for you. if you are looking to add somethin to application list you need a menue editor ircc.
[12:15] <sleeper> hi
[12:15] <sleeper> can some one help me please
[12:16] <karljp> not until you tell us what you want
[12:16] <sleeper> someone have use john the ripper?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> sleeper: once or twice
[12:16] <bluemax> paulproteus: ok... i've tried mplayer because supposedly it can play nsv's but the problem is the stream is usually full and have to try several times to connect, so how do i turn on looping on mplayer? i can't find any button or anything in options. all i found was the command line -loop flag
[12:16] <sleeper> i have instaled with my ubuntu
[12:16] <timmow> karljp: thanks
[12:16] <sleeper> but now i dont find it
[12:17] <sleeper> where it install?
[12:17] <dockane> to be precise : ""HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted " is my problem
[12:17] <paulproteus> dockane: sudo?
[12:17] <jaggi> recommend a menu editor?  (going to ubuntoguide.org too)
[12:17] <cirkit_> hey guys was wondering what run level do i set to have text login for startx instead of a gui login?
[12:17] <Fackamato> what's ubunto?
[12:18] <gma> dockane, I had that message when I didn't have the correct module for my chipset loaded. have you checked that properly?
[12:18] <cirkit_> 2-5 i think are all gui
[12:18] <cirkit_> isnt there text mode?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> sleeper: I think the command is just john, but run dpkg -L john | grep bin to find out
[12:18] <dockane> gma, this is what i wrote above
[12:18] <dockane> paulproteus, is definetly not my problem
[12:18] <wdh> cirkit_, i dont think it is managed by a runlevel though.. i guess you can edit some gdm config file
[12:19] <cirkit_> hmm?
[12:19] <gma> dockane, not since I logged in you didn't. last thing I saw you say about it was what chipset you have, not which modules you've loaded.
[12:19] <cirkit_> so how do you get text loging
[12:19] <sleeper> ok thx
[12:19] <CarlK> what do I have to apt-get to get aclocal ?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: easy way is to uninstall gdm
[12:19] <cirkit_> where is that located?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: ?
[12:19] <cirkit_> the gdm path
[12:19] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: just uninstall gdm with synaptic or apt-get
[12:20] <CarlK> hmm, how come I have /usr/share/aclocal/ but no aclocal command?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: or run  ` sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[12:21] <dockane> gma, i am running an intel 840 chipset. which module do i have to choose ? (my modules http://pastebin.com/282913 )
[12:22] <timmow> how do i safely remove cardbus cards?
[12:22] <timmow> ive just been pulling them out, but i'm not sure i should
[12:24] <dockane> gma, maybe this helps, too : lscpi -v ( http://pastebin.com/282914 )
[12:24] <timmow> cirkit_: do you need text login, and then start x?
[12:25] <karljp> timmow: you're meant to be able to, though it depends on the card
[12:25] <karljp> some drivers it's not recommmend, like the delkin cf reader for instanace
[12:25] <gma> dockane, sorry, disappeared there for a bit.
[12:25] <siplus> timmow: i have a button right next to it that i push
[12:26] <dockane> gma, you were afk ?
[12:26] <dockane> gma, or the pastebins have disappeared ?
[12:26] <thoreauputic> timmow: cirkit_ left
[12:26] <timmow> karljp: im getting a bad dmesg when i pull out my wireless card
[12:26] <gma> no, I'd just hidden IRC behind another window
[12:26] <gma> got the pastebins
[12:26] <karljp> well, don't do that then :)
[12:26] <karljp> even windows says you shouldn't
[12:26] <dockane> gma , i see np
[12:26] <karljp> just that it normally whines and puts up with it :)
[12:27] <timmow> karljp: so i should rmmod ndiswrapper then pull it out
[12:27] <karljp> timmmow: I believe so.
[12:27] <karljp> I'm having a hard time finding the doc that says how to do this proeprly
[12:27] <karljp> there's some notes that apply specifically to ndiswrapper
[12:27] <karljp> but it was basically rmmod first
[12:28] <cirkit_> since i dont have gdm anymore in ubuntu how do i pick between window managers?
[12:28] <timmow> karljp: I get this even when the driver is not loaded
[12:28] <timmow> karljp: PCMCIA: socket ce31442c: *** DANGER *** unable to remove socket power
[12:28] <karljp> no idea sorry :)
[12:28] <timmow> karljp: ok thanks
[12:28] <karljp> bt that's better than what I get, which is the occasional kernel oops :)
[12:28] <gsuveg> re
[12:28] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: for example, run ` startx /usr/bin/fluxbox `
[12:28] <gsuveg> anybody use dbdesigner ?
[12:29] <cirkit_> i just run startx and fluxbox starts...i have a .xinitrc file in ~/.xinitrc now
[12:29] <cirkit_> but how do i get a menu to pick kde or gnome?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: you don't
[12:29] <karljp> (that was what gdm was for!)
[12:29] <cirkit_> so i cant pick any other wm?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: unless there's a package for xtart in the repos
[12:29] <cirkit_> oh crap
[12:29] <cirkit_> sigh
[12:30] <evilmegaman> when configuring my new kernel, would leaving things I didn't know about make the system slower?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: I just told you hoe you ccan run any window manager above
[12:30] <SymGeosis> evilmegaman, possibly.
[12:30] <evilmegaman> oh
[12:30] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: just specify the one you want
[12:30] <SymGeosis> Everything uses memory, and has to be loaded.  Should it take a while to compile the kernel image symgeosis?
[12:31] <evilmegaman> oh
[12:31] <gma> dockane, not having much luck...
[12:31] <dockane> gma, what does that mean ?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: like this is easier:  startx `which gnome-session`  or startx $(gnome-session)
[12:31] <evilmegaman> But once it's past the boot process, It will be normal speed symgeosis?
[12:31] <SymGeosis> evilmegaman, been awhile since I last compiled a linux kernel but it's not exactly considered "quick."
[12:31] <cirkit_> startx gnome-session
[12:31] <cirkit_> or startx kde-session?
[12:31] <evilmegaman> ok
[12:31] <gma> dockane, probably that I can't help you
[12:31] <gma> but I'm still looking
[12:31] <SymGeosis> evilmegaman, nothing should be too noticable.
[12:32] <evilmegaman> ok cool :)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: startkde - but that syntax won't work - see above
[12:32] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: startx $(startkde)  should work
[12:33] <jaggi> dockane, interesting.. I'm working with the files because the Help mentions using nautilus to edit the menus, but it doesn't seem to work.
[12:33] <cirkit_> could i use a startup file in ~/.startup to start apps since i dont have gdm?
[12:33] <SymGeosis> cirkit_, just copy your startx script and modify the client portion for startkde or gnomesession.
[12:33] <dockane> gma, i basicly don't know what do replace in /etc/modules and what to put there instead (intel 840 /carmel)
[12:33] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: was there a good reason for uninstalling gdm?
[12:33] <jaggi> Under Help -> System Admin -> Customizing menus
[12:34] <cirkit_> ls
[12:34] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: I don't understand why you want a cli login when you don't know the commands you need
[12:34] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, so that I could use .xinitrc or startup file since gdm wont allow me too
[12:34] <dockane> jaggi, maybe you need to restart your window manager ? i  haven't tried that yet, sorry
[12:34] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: yes it will
[12:34] <jaggi> it mentions I can use nautilus, but I have to add menus to a certain URI.. the URIs it gives include: Applications menu for all users  	  applications-all-users:///
[12:34] <cirkit_> it will?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: use ~/.xsession and choose the default option
[12:34] <evilmegaman> if I installed fglrx, Will I have to do modprobe fglrx to get it to use the fglrx drivers?
[12:34] <jaggi> but the file browser (nautilus) doesn't accept that URI  :)
[12:35] <jaggi> dockane, no problem.. if I figure it out, are you interested?
[12:35] <evilmegaman> the new kernel is "it"
[12:35] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: .xsession is the file to writ
[12:35] <thoreauputic> *write
[12:35] <dockane> jaggi, of course. do you speak german btw ?
[12:35] <jaggi> the help does include this, and also includes information on the actual methods to add things by hand, using files (including the format of the files)
[12:35] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: this is an example of asking the wrong question ...
[12:35] <jaggi> no, English and some Spanish and Persian :)
[12:36] <lotusleaf> He took the Windows CD, broke it, and gave thanks by installing Linux
[12:36] <mirak> how to install the kernel when you are using deboostrap ?
[12:36] <mirak> the instal fails
[12:37] <jaggi> lotus, I installed ubuntu and the partitioning messed up my windows partition :(
[12:37] <jaggi> windows won't boot now (I'm kind of happy about that.. but not really)
[12:37] <jaggi> now all my partitions have the warning/error in fdisk, "Partition X does not end on cylinder boundary"
[12:38] <lotusleaf> jaggi: that's not a bug that's a feature
[12:38] <jaggi> last time I let the auto-partitioner handle the partitions for me.
[12:38] <jaggi> lotus, but after I installed ubuntu, my windows blue-screens on boot.
[12:38] <lotusleaf> jaggi: shame on you for installing Windows in the first place ;P
[12:38] <dockane> jaggi, there is going to be something in gnome 2.12 : http://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2005/05/036-gnome/menuedit.png
[12:39] <jaggi> nah, not shameful.  Necessary for many softwares.  :)  I could be all "gung ho" about linux (I've been using it for 11 years)... but in the real world I have responsibilities and have to use some software, sometimes, which is windows-based :)
[12:39] <jaggi> so, for those who HAVE to use windows ..
[12:39] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, Im using gdm instead to make things easier....but for example the .xinitrc file I have does not startup apps
[12:39] <unf> bona nit
[12:39] <jaggi> anyhow :)
[12:40] <Xanadu> anyone here installed postgresql?
[12:40] <jaggi> looks like a menu editor.. that's nice.  In German :)
[12:40] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: don't use .xinitrc - use .xsession in debisn based distros for this
[12:40] <lotusleaf> jaggi: no one HAS to use M$:Windows, they CHOOSE to, whether they admit to it or not is another matter.
[12:40] <Xanadu> i installed from synaptic and am not quite sure what to do from here - it won't let me make a database
[12:40] <gma> dockane, try loading piix and running hdparm again.
[12:40] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, can i see an example of your xsession please?
[12:41] <cirkit_> i dont have one by default
[12:41] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: and make sure you have an & after each app , and make the last line your window manager
[12:41] <cirkit_> i have 3 choices of window managers
[12:41] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: which apps do you want to start?
[12:41] <dockane> gma, "modprobe piix" ?
[12:41] <gma> yeah. long shot.
[12:42] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, xset m 5 & xchat
[12:42] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: post your .xsession in #flood
[12:42] <jaggi> lotus, whatever :)
[12:43] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, how about pastebin??
[12:43] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: OK fine
[12:43] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, i dont have an .xsession
[12:43] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: *sigh* you need one
[12:43] <thoreauputic> did you read what I said?
[12:43] <lotusleaf> jaggi: you see? I win. ;)
[12:43] <cirkit_> i have .xsession-errors
[12:43] <jaggi> lotus, nah
[12:43] <cirkit_> yeah but how can i paste what i dont have
[12:43] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: you create the file
[12:44] <Jormundgand> How do I get Eterm to automatically snap to the bottom of the buffer when displaying large amounts of data (e.g. after an apt-get update)?
[12:44] <lotusleaf> jaggi: too late, you abandoned the plate! And while you weren't looking I fixed a new meal on it.
[12:44] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: or just do  cp .xinitrc .xsession
[12:44] <Jormundgand> It's currently simply filling the screen allotted area and then sitting there.
[12:44] <jaggi> lotus, not worthwhile to dispute over the boundary of "have to".. actually, maybe it is!  :)
[12:44] <jaggi> what's the definition of what "must be"?  :)
[12:44] <cirkit_> so i can use the .xinitrc settings but renamed the file to xsession?
[12:44] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: yes you can
[12:44] <dockane> gma, :( http://pastebin.com/282920
[12:45] <jaggi> lotus, windows are necessary for circulation and light :)
[12:45] <exciton> I am having a porblem with my kubuntu install when my cpu hits 41C the system halts and shuts down stating crit temp reached and for an athlon xp 41C is like the temp it sits at when the computer its off lol any ideas on how I can rase the shut down temp or disable this all together because my bios does a great job of telling me when my cpu gets to hot all on it's own
[12:45] <cirkit_> ok ill do that now
[12:45] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: they do roughly the same thing - I won't go into the details
[12:45] <Jormundgand> exciton: buffer overflow.
[12:45] <gma> dockane, do you know if piix was already loaded?
[12:46] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, ok good i have copied the .xinitrc file over to ~/.xsession and renamed it to that
[12:46] <exciton> Jormundgand: ? What do you mean?
[12:46] <Jormundgand> exciton: That, and you're in the wrong channel. Join #kubuntu. And use sentences.
[12:46] <dockane> gma, nope sorry
[12:46] <Jormundgand> exciton: Buffer overflow - line too long to stay in short-term memory.
[12:46] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: when you log in with gdm just choose the default session in the sessions list
[12:46] <dockane> gma, should have looked before
[12:47] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, i can leave that file with the way it is already set right?
[12:47] <_ToNhO_> i don't know why Ubuntu have a distribution with KDE
[12:47] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: only if it does what you want
[12:47] <exciton> Jormundgand: I have asked in #kubuntu I'm there now but no one seems to know what the problem is and this is a problem with linux not kde or gnome! so my dm has nothing to do with the problem
[12:47] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, but in that xsession file down at the bottom i have a line "exec /usr/X11R6/bin/startfluxbox"
[12:47] <cirkit_> should i delete that since i have more than 1 window manager to pick from?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: that isn't where startfluxbox lives in Ubuntu
[12:48] <gma> dockane, I'm afraid I've outlived my usefulness in that case.
[12:48] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: type  ` which startfluxbox ` to see the path
[12:48] <dockane> gma, thank you very much for your time and help
[12:48] <gma> no probs
[12:48] <Jormundgand> exciton: Fixing that depends entirely whether you use GNOME or KDE. It'll be a simple option fix, but I don't know where in KDE it is.
[12:49] <gma> not that I was much use!
[12:49] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: or just use ` startfluxbox` (it should be inthe path)
[12:49] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, /usr/bin/startfluxbox
[12:49] <thoreauputic> OK use that
[12:49] <proegssilb> Can someone help me swap between installed bootloaders?
[12:49] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, do i need to add any other of the window managers paths in that xsession file or just the fluxbox one?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: sounds like you copied an .xinitrc from another distro
[12:49] <exciton> Jormundgand: if you can tell me how to fix it in gnome I can do that I have both gnome and kde installed
[12:49] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, i copied it from the slack box
[12:50] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: umm.... .xsession just starts one at a time
[12:50] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: slack does it differently
[12:50] <exciton> I all was have a back up dm for when something goes wrong and if all else fails I can do just about everything command line
[12:50] <cirkit_> but i only have the path for fluxbox in xsession. what if i start gnome or kde...xsession doesnt have the path, only for flux right
[12:51] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: I suggest you use the package manager to install things: it takes care of all this for you
[12:51] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: if you have gdm you just chooose the one you want
[12:51] <cirkit_> ok
[12:51] <cirkit_> ill test now
[12:53] <bluemax> is there a way i can use a ; (semicolon) in a terminal command without bash using it as a separator?
[12:53] <bluemax> a url i need to use includes it
[12:53] <cirkit_> No what i wanted did not start at all
[12:53] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, can you paste your xsession file in pastebin please?
[12:54] <timmow> bluemax use \; instead of ;
[12:54] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: I don't currently use .xsession, but I can probably find an example if you wait a minute
[12:55] <cirkit_> ok
[12:55] <flyerman> someone here who got GIMPSHOP run?
[12:55] <bluemax> timmow: perfect, thank you
[12:57] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: just join #flood and I'll post a simple example for you
[12:57] <cirkit_> ok
[12:57] <proegssilb> rephrase: Could someone help me get my (other) computer to the point where it can boot properly?
[12:58] <timmow> proegsslib: maybe if you explain what is wrong
[12:59] <anemiat1> does ubuntu have an option of KDE?
[12:59] <proegssilb> timmow: In mandriva, I can only load a prompt. Assuming I can get grub set back up, ArkLinux will work, but LILO doesn't know about ark
[01:00] <anemiat1> ??
[01:00] <anemiat1> does ubuntu have an option of KDE?
[01:00] <erpel> it's called (k)ubuntu
[01:00] <timmow> proegsslib: i don't know about lilo, sorry
[01:01] <anemiat1> got it
[01:01] <anemiat1> thanks
[01:01] <proegssilb> timmow: K, is there some way I can find grub and set it as the bootloader?
[01:02] <nderjm> Greeting from Jamaica
[01:02] <nderjm> I'm attempting to setup a DHCP Server on a Warty box
[01:02] <anemiat1> when i install kubuntu, will I be able to keep windows and make dual boot?
[01:03] <SymGeosis> flyerman, do you have a link for an Ubuntu package for GimpShop; As a long time PhotoShop user, I'm rather intrigued.
[01:03] <nderjm> anyone with networking experience?
[01:03] <nderjm> I've got the packages installed, and dhcpd configured
[01:03] <Burgundavia> anemiat1, yes
[01:03] <anemiat1> thanks again!
[01:03] <nderjm> its accepting requests
[01:03] <nderjm> but keeps saying "no free leases on <IP_ADDRESS>"
[01:04] <nderjm> i've been googling for hours, and no clue as to whats up
[01:04] <chase> how do i install something as suid root? im trying to use smb4k, but im getting this error "smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)"
[01:04] <nanot3ch> chase: suid root? Are you installing the program as root to begin with, or as a user?
[01:05] <timmow> proegsslib: you can use a live cd to install grub i think
[01:05] <chase> im running it as a user
[01:05] <chase> nanot3ch, i installed it from apt
[01:05] <nderjm> so anyone have an idea what the deal is with the error message?
[01:05] <Burgundavia> nderjm, what are you trying to do?
[01:05] <nanot3ch> chase: Type sudo su to gain root access...then try running the program.
[01:06] <nderjm> Burgundavia: Im setting up a DHCP server
[01:06] <nderjm> Burgundavia: Its up and running
[01:06] <nderjm> Burgundavia: But when clients try to connect, it says there are no free leases on subnet <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:06] <pjw> Is QT library under Ubuntu 64-bit?
[01:06] <nanot3ch> chase: suid root is a problem with tmp files, I believe
[01:06] <chase> right so i need to sudo every time i run the program? i cant just put it in the the visudo file?
[01:06] <timmow> proegsslib: it would help if you have a working grub install.  Then you can add an option to menu.lst
[01:07] <nanot3ch> chase: if you change permissions on /tmp for read / write, etc for all users...then you could run it as a user I believe.
[01:07] <nderjm> Burgundavia: I have it spitting out the errors to the err stream, so i can see whats happening
[01:07] <anemiat1> is there any similarity between arklinux and kubuntu?
[01:07] <Burgundavia> nderjm, hmm, no idea
[01:07] <timmow> bye everyone
[01:07] <chase> nanot3ch, okay ill see what works
[01:07] <nanot3ch> chase: alright...if none of that works...
[01:07] <Burgundavia> anemiat1, ark is rpm, ubuntu/kubuntu is debian
[01:08] <nanot3ch> chase: run "chmod 4755 /usr/bin/executable", as well as on any files connected to it...
[01:08] <nanot3ch> chase: but I think the tmp fix should be your first try.
[01:09] <chase> okay
[01:12] <Unfrgiven> is anyone else having problems with the latest breezy ndiswrapper? i get an "operation not permitted" message when loading the driver (even as root).
[01:12] <dockane> i ve got a similiar problem: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-May/034202.html   (not a cdrom but a ide hd). what should i add to the /etc/modules to get it working ? ( lspci -v/listmod : http://pastebin.com/282923 )
[01:14] <nderjm> Greetings from Jamrock
[01:14] <nderjm> Jamaica...
[01:14] <shadeofgrey> okay i need help
[01:14] <shadeofgrey> i installed cdrdao
[01:15] <leitao> olease, i have a problem with my keyboard and ccedillha.. anyone with similar problem?
[01:15] <shadeofgrey> and then installed k3b
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> does mplayer play wma
[01:15] <shadeofgrey> using apt-get
[01:15] <shadeofgrey> is there a step i missed?
[01:15] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: Yes, with w32codecs...it worked when I played CHOM, so it should.
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[01:15] <shadeofgrey> because k3b doesnt show up in anty of my application menus liek it should and every time i run it from bash it runs but gives serious amounts of errors
[01:16] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: It isn't broken is it? :P
[01:16] <shadeofgrey> and i dont want to use nautilus to burn CD's
[01:16] <shadeofgrey> nano:  if i had to guess id say its...  well om its way to being very broken
[01:17] <cristian> pico
[01:17] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: I mean in synaptic, does it recognize it as a broken program :P
[01:17] <shadeofgrey> how do i remove k3b totally?
[01:18] <shadeofgrey> i dunno
[01:18] <shadeofgrey> what would it be under?
[01:18] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: ...It will tell you when you open Synaptic if a package is broken :P
[01:19] <leitao> romaia : ainda nao veio..
[01:20] <leitao> sorry
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> okay indtallation didnt generate any errors
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> but its not in my programs list at all
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> and i let packaghe manager do everything
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> do i need KDE installed or something?
[01:21] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: do killall gnome-panel to reset the menu (If you updated it without logging in / out, run that.)
[01:21] <amaro> Anyone here has a hotmail email account?
[01:21] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: You shouldn't need KDE...it should work in Gnome....
[01:21] <nanot3ch> amaro: You having problems accessing the hotmail site?
[01:21] <shadeofgrey> olkay i did a kill all and its still not there
[01:22] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: killall gnome-panel? If so, it should be under Sound & Video...hmmm...
[01:22] <amaro> nanot3ch, no, onceI log in, it says something about some agreements I have to accept.
[01:22] <shadeofgrey> where is it supposed to be?  in the sound and video ? because its not theere
[01:22] <nanot3ch> amaro: oh, can't help you there :), if it was a site thing, it might've been that you need Wine with IE 5.
[01:23] <thoreauputic> amaro, don't use hotmail - it's evil :)
[01:23] <amaro> nanot3ch, hehehe.. I hope it never comes to that :)
[01:23] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: Sound and Video, that or System Tools (Although that wouldnt make sense.)
[01:23] <amaro> I have tons of email accounts scattered everywhere...
[01:23] <nanot3ch> amaro: Oh, eventually Microsoft will "upgrade" the site...that time will come soon :P
[01:23] <nanot3ch> amaro: You need gmail :P
[01:23] <amaro> I already have 3 gmail accounts
[01:23] <nanot3ch> LOL
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> nope
[01:23] <amaro> and 150 invites
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> its not in any of them
[01:23] <amaro> want some?
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> anywhere
[01:23] <amaro> :)
[01:24] <nanot3ch> amaro: Nah, I have an account :)
[01:24] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: and running k3b via command line works as it should (It gives errors, but it'll load)?
[01:24] <shadeofgrey> yes
[01:24] <shadeofgrey> k3b: WARNING: KGenericFactory: instance requested but no instance name or about data passed to the constructor!
[01:24] <shadeofgrey> thats the warning i get
[01:24] <nanot3ch> Hmm
[01:25] <shadeofgrey> imma uninstall it
[01:25] <shadeofgrey> whats a gnome front end for cdrdao?
[01:25] <Razor-X> I know there's Gnomebaker
[01:25] <Razor-X> but, then again, i'm using Kubuntu so....
[01:25] <Razor-X> GTK apps work fine here, except I can't theme them
[01:25] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: Maybe you do need KDE, as KGenericFactory is a KDE include library.
[01:26] <shadeofgrey> nan: okay how do i install kde?
[01:26] <rhys-hynaws> Does anyone know of a program that is better than Open Office?
[01:26] <] BreliC[> amaro: i'll take an invite :)
[01:26] <] BreliC[> rhys-hynaws, what are you looking to do?
[01:26] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: jsut install kde-base in Synaptic or via apt-get
[01:26] <siplus> rhys-hynaws: better in what way?
[01:26] <K_Dallas> rhys-hynaws: LaTeX by miles
[01:26] <rhys-hynaws> ] BreliC[, wordprocessing... etc.
[01:26] <K_Dallas> ;)
[01:27] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: that completely depends what you want to use it for
[01:27] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: Since its just a core lib that you need, you dont need all of the language packages unless k3b REALLY requires them...then yo just install as you go :P
[01:27] <siplus> i know a lot of people like abiword.. never used it myself
[01:27] <SymGeosis> rhys-hynaws, AbiWord is rather nice.
[01:27] <rhys-hynaws> siplus: Open Office freezes on me for no reason....  It messes up my OpenOffice installs too.
[01:28] <K_Dallas> rhys-hynaws: you'd better solve your problem with OO, uninstall and install the new Beta2
[01:28] <] BreliC[> nanot3ch, doesn't matter if you are not dealing with MS people :)
[01:28] <K_Dallas> uninstall and reinstall, that is the trick
[01:28] <nanot3ch> ] Brelic[: :P, true...
[01:28] <SymGeosis> rhys-hynaws, or get the new, unofficial beta package.
[01:29] <Razor-X> if I chmod my mount point for an NTFS partition, why is it still that only root can read from it?
[01:29] <] BreliC[> K_Dallas, hmm, that sounds *stragely* like a windows tactic ;)
[01:29] <K_Dallas> i know but OO is not really a unix thing ;)
[01:29] <rhys-hynaws> SymGeosis,  the problem occurs when I click on misspelled words... a new beta pack wouldN't really help would it?
[01:29] <SymGeosis> rhys-hynaws, try this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30866&page=2
[01:29] <K_Dallas> and each times i install a new beta it messes things up
[01:29] <SymGeosis> rhys-hynaws, not sure. *shrugs*
[01:29] <nanot3ch> rkys-hynaws: I know a quick fix to that problem, spell properly! :)
[01:29] <] BreliC[> lol
[01:29] <SymGeosis> I know that I have problems when I have the old beta and 1.1 installed at the same time.
[01:30] <siplus> or you could try staroffice :-p
[01:30] <rhys-hynaws> SymGeosis, I beta-tested that script. lol
[01:30] <nanot3ch> siplus: ...OpenOffice is based on StarOffice....whats the point? :P
[01:30] <K_Dallas> still i have to say: go with LaTeX
[01:30] <rhys-hynaws> What makes LaTeX > Abiword ?
[01:30] <siplus> nanot3ch: shhh
[01:31] <K_Dallas> LaTeX: is the only thing if you do scientific writing
[01:31] <K_Dallas> nothing beats that
[01:31] <nanot3ch> siplus: haha....
[01:31] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: a good front end for LaTex is Lyx-qt
[01:31] <K_Dallas> and yet it has much more to offer
[01:31] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:31] <rhys-hynaws> Well I am a MD
[01:31] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:31] <SymGeosis> Feh, vim. ;-)
[01:31] <K_Dallas> thoreauputic: Lyx is rather encrypted, Kile is a front end
[01:31] <rhys-hynaws> Kile?
[01:31] <K_Dallas> or why not texmacs
[01:32] <rhys-hynaws> K_Dallas,  Which do you prefer?
[01:32] <hybrid_goth> Question  I have my  Linux box my moms winblows box and my sis windows box. all my media is on my sis box how could i retrieve and put it onto mine with out hard copies?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> K_Dallas: Lyx is LaTex for Human Beings ;-)
[01:32] <siplus> Vi won't crash on you...
[01:32] <K_Dallas> me, i have been doing latex for the past 10 years
[01:32] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: Samba / SMB if they are all networked.
[01:32] <hybrid_goth> siplus: Vim is nice
[01:32] <K_Dallas> i do not touch OO or MS office
[01:32] <nanot3ch> MS Office is crap to begin with.  All you have to open is file sharing on the computer with media files...
[01:33] <siplus> hybrid_goth: SMB is an easy way, if not look into using scp/WinSCP
[01:33] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: and put the files in the Shared Documents, then you can snatch em all up
[01:33] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: have a look at Lyx-qt: you might like it, but it's... different
[01:34] <hybrid_goth> nanot3ch: so i set the file sharing on on the windoze box open smb/samba and am good to go
[01:34] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: and of course Lyx doesn't do MS formats
[01:34] <Razor-X> anyone here use a trackball?
[01:34] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: Yes, if you are all networked and file sharing is enabled, Samba will find the windows computer and you can then commence the file stealing :P
[01:34] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[01:34] <nanot3ch> Razor-X: They make those? :P
[01:34] <rhys-hynaws> thoreauputic, Okay... Lyx-qt is installing now...
[01:34] <Razor-X> if Word's all you need, you can try AbiWord
[01:34] <hybrid_goth> brb
[01:34] <Razor-X> nanot3ch: ;-P
[01:35] <_hp_> how do i get partitions mounted when the system boots up?
[01:35] <rhys-hynaws> thoreauputic, but can I conver my OpenOffice docs to whatever lyx uses? lol
[01:35] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: be aware you really need to read the help files
[01:35] <nanot3ch> _hp_: You have to edit /etc/fstab....
[01:35] <Razor-X> _hp_: add to your /etc/fstab
[01:35] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: I doubt it
[01:35] <jaggi> I'm back
[01:35] <_hp_> Razor-X, nanot3ch thank you
[01:35] <jaggi> edit menus with the examples in /usr/share/applications/
[01:35] <rhys-hynaws> thoreauputic, grrr... but thank goodness for copy & paste
[01:35] <nanot3ch> _hp_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#hardware
[01:35] <Razor-X> rhys-hynaws: is it just word processing?
[01:36] <rhys-hynaws> Razor-X, Mainly, yes... yearsof essays.
[01:36] <jaggi> might want to duplicate an entry (I duplicated the xchat.desktop entry as opera.desktop and edited it..
[01:36] <nanot3ch> _hp_: I believe it tells you how to edit FSTab, if not google it :) its pretty simple
[01:36] <_hp_> vi /etc/fstab ?
[01:36] <jaggi> opera placed it's menu in /usr/lib/menu/opera so I could get the icon and program path easily)
[01:36] <Razor-X> http://www.abisource.com/download/
[01:36] <nanot3ch> _hp_: Yes, as root.
[01:36] <Razor-X> try AbiWord, it's pretty awesome
[01:36] <dead^^> hi all. does anyone here know how to install DGuitar? i have problems with it and the readme is useless =(
[01:36] <jaggi> AbiWord for what?
[01:36] <_hp_> nanot3ch, already done, do i have to reboot to see the effects or just log in, log out?
[01:36] <Razor-X> for word processing
[01:36] <nanot3ch> _hp_: run "mount -a"
[01:37] <rhys-hynaws> Razor-X, i will give it a go too
[01:37] <Razor-X> that was for rhys-hynaws
[01:37] <Burgundavia> jaggi, abiword is a word processor. apt-get install abiword will also get you it
[01:37] <nanot3ch> _hp_: As root, of course.
[01:37] <jaggi> ah.. do you prefer it over OpenOffice?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> abiword is in the repos anyway
[01:37] <jaggi> yeah, I've used abiword in the past
[01:37] <Razor-X> rhys-hynaws: err, yeah, that too
[01:37] <Razor-X> ;-P
[01:37] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:37] <Razor-X> AbiWord was the first word processor I actually used
[01:37] <nanot3ch> Razor-X: Mine was NotePad :P
[01:37] <jaggi> just wondering why you recommend it over OpenOffice (because ubuntu installed OO by default)
[01:38] <Burgundavia> jaggi, easier to use and faster to boot
[01:38] <Razor-X> back when my parents, for some odd stupid reason, wouldn't by Word, and I absolutely needed it, and all the current free office apps were too beefed up form my P100
[01:38] <Razor-X> nanot3ch: that's a text editor, not a word processor ;-P
[01:38] <Razor-X> there are differences
[01:38] <jaggi> my first word processor.. hmm.. back on the Commodore 64 I edited basic files?  but with actual word processing it must have been an old WordStar
[01:38] <Razor-X> *buy
[01:38] <jaggi> WordStar on a PC :)
[01:38] <jaggi> then WordPerfect
[01:38] <nanot3ch> jaggi: OpenOffice is just sort of a standard all-in-one office app, thats why it is installed by default on many distro's.
[01:39] <Razor-X> so, again, does anyone here use a trackball?
[01:39] <siplus> hey, speaking about OpenOffice, is there an easy way to install OO.o 2beta?
[01:39] <siplus> i'm running fedora, though...
[01:39] <_hp_> it doesn't allow me to see the file contents, says i do not have permission, ran mount -a as root
[01:39] <Burgundavia> siplus, it is in the repos
[01:39] <Burgundavia> siplus, in univesrse
[01:39] <_hp_> i did chown before mount, and could open, after mount -a it went back to root:root
[01:40] <siplus> i have apt-get on here, but it only has 1.1 available
[01:40] <nanot3ch> _hp_: mount -a basically resets the mounts without reboot...
[01:40] <^thehatsrule^> hey Razor-X ;p
[01:41] <nanot3ch> _hp_: All it should do, too :P
[01:41] <Burgundavia> siplus, this is #ubuntu, not #fedora
[01:41] <_hp_> nanot3ch, i did that, but it doesn't allow any app to see what's mounted...
[01:41] <siplus> ya, i know... oh well
[01:41] <thoreauputic> _hp_: mount points in general are *supposed* to be root:root
[01:41] <Burgundavia> siplus, install Ubuntu, it is in Universe
[01:41] <nanot3ch> _hp_: Yep...they should be root:root...why did you give your user full access?
[01:42] <_hp_> nanot3ch, my user is the one i created during the install...
[01:42] <thoreauputic> _hp_: your problem is more likely a wrong fstab line
[01:42] <Shadowpillar> how do I make a debian package?
[01:42] <nanot3ch> _hp_: whats your point? root is root :P
[01:43] <thoreauputic> _hp_: try looking at the file ;)   cat /etc/fstab
[01:43] <lifeless> whois nanot3ch
[01:43] <nanot3ch> lifeless: I would be nanot3ch. :P
[01:43] <lifeless> nanot3ch: I n
[01:43] <lifeless> bah this keyboard is killing me
[01:43] <nanot3ch> lifeless: ?
[01:44] <lifeless> nanot3ch: I know a nanotech, who is not you.
[01:44] <lifeless> wrong gn
[01:44] <lifeless> garh
[01:44] <nanot3ch> haha...
[01:44] <lifeless> wrong gender for starters
[01:44] <Shadowpillar> bob2: you around?
[01:44] <nanot3ch> ...:P
[01:45] <_hp_> i got it working, thanks to all
[01:45] <_hp_> it was the umask=0000 that i was missing
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> Shadowpillar: there is a debian guide to packaging
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> Shadowpillar: do a google search
[01:45] <dead^^> well, thanks a lot. I've been trying to ask that question like 6 times today and nobody has answered to me. I would appreciate if someone would just say to me "go to hell", but no. I'll refrase my question. here goes: "could anyone tell me how can I install applications which are zipped and when I extract them, there's just directories and there isn't even proper readme with it. It just says that "run the Java application" (.jar) or something li
[01:45] <dead^^> ke that and when I do, nothing happens. and plus, if here's not enough of typing to get someones attention, I'll throw away whole Linux and which back to Windows :S
[01:46] <Burgundavia> Shadowpillar, google the debian new maintainers guide
[01:46] <rhys-hynaws> Does anyone want to save a 6kb Open Office 2 document into PDF for me? (I do not have OO2... and cannot open this file)
[01:46] <siplus> dead^^: sorry to hear you're being ignorred... what are you trying to install/run?
[01:46] <dead^^> siplus, DGuitar
[01:47] <thoreauputic> dead^^: I think to run java apps you type something like java jar <app> but someone else will know...
[01:47] <Shadowpillar> Burgundavia: would be great if ubuntu had an up to date version of zsnes
[01:48] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:48] <Fator_Dee> dead^^: if it says to run the java application, then run the java application :-p, that would be java -jar javaapnamehere
[01:48] <rhys-hynaws> snes lol
[01:48] <siplus> dead^^ one sec
[01:49] <siplus> dead^^: http://dguitar.sourceforge.net/en/inst-run.html
[01:49] <rhys-hynaws> Does anyone want to save a 6kb Open Office 2 document into PDF for me? (I do not have OO2... and cannot open this file)
[01:50] <hybrid_goth> nanot3ch: i got all my music in Shared Documents am i ready to go?
[01:50] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: If file sharing on your Windows box is on, then you should be.
[01:50] <hybrid_goth> ok ty sooo much
[01:51] <_hp_> one more newbie question, rythmbox keeps returning "there is no plugin to handle an mp3 file"...
[01:51] <rhys-hynaws> Does anyone want to save a 6kb Open Office 2 document into PDF for me? (I do not have OO2... and cannot open this file)
[01:51] <bob2> Shadowpillar: ?
[01:51] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:51] <rhys-hynaws> FINE You stingy people. I will download OO2 for onefile. Good lord.
[01:51] <bob2> rhys-hynaws: er
[01:52] <nanot3ch> Does anyone know the default folder where Apache is? :P
[01:52] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:52] <bob2> rhys-hynaws: please don't be abusive to strangers you're trying to get help from
[01:52] <Shadowpillar> bob2: was wondering about making a debian package
[01:52] <bob2> nanot3ch: /var/www/
[01:52] <bob2> Shadowpillar: ok
[01:52] <Shadowpillar> but nevermind
[01:52] <rhys-hynaws> loll bob2
[01:52] <Shadowpillar> I'm about to take a nap
[01:52] <nanot3ch> bob2: thanks
[01:52] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: are you sure the OOo2 files are not backward compatible??
[01:52] <rhys-hynaws> 100% sure, thoreauputic
[01:52] <rhys-hynaws> I have tried and tried..
[01:52] <thoreauputic> that's nuts if so
[01:53] <rhys-hynaws> Completely... the file jsut opens empty in oo1
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> thoreauputic: isnt OO nortourious for swaping formats
[01:53] <nanot3ch> bob2: where is httpd.conf and the bin to stop / restart Apache though? :P
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> or is that MS
[01:53] <rhys-hynaws> hybrid_goth, it is...
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> rhys-hynaws: either OOo or MS office
[01:54] <bob2> nanot3ch: er, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[01:54] <rhys-hynaws> both. lol.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> hybrid_goth: the latter I hope
[01:54] <hybrid_goth> maybe be MS
[01:54] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:54] <_hp_> Fator_Dee, there is no such package in synaptic
[01:54] <dead^^> siplus: well, that's just great. howcome people just can't type in the readme things like "chmod +x" or any other commands which 'ofcourse-aren't-so-important' (i'm trying to be sarcastic here) :P.  but really, thanks man
[01:54] <hybrid_goth> thoreauputic: now that i think of it i believe it is MS
[01:54] <thoreauputic> hybrid_goth: rings a bell *grin*
[01:54] <nanot3ch> bob2: thanks once again! :)
[01:55] <rhys-hynaws> dead^^ just type sudo chmod 777 -rf *
[01:55] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:55] <vessuvius81> How do I get a startup script to run at boot time? I have the tomcat.sh script in /etc/init.d, and it will run when I do sudo /etc/init.d/tomcat5.sh start... just need to get it to run on startup.
[01:55] <hybrid_goth> thoreauputic: lol
[01:55] <cirkit_> I tried compiling gaim in ubuntu but it seems ubuntu is broken
[01:55] <cirkit_> *** GTK+ 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GTK+
[01:56] <kyncani> vessuvius81: use sysv-rc-conf or rcconf
[01:56] <rhys-hynaws> cirkit_, do not compile it
[01:56] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: it isn't ubuntu that's broken :)
[01:56] <siplus> dead^^: everything worked out then? :-D
[01:56] <rhys-hynaws> cirkit_, sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:56] <bob2> rhys-hynaws: no, that's not funny, do not give terrible advice to people again
[01:56] <cirkit_> but there is a new version of gaim that ubuntu doesnt have yet
[01:56] <cirkit_> i mean apt-get
[01:56] <cirkit_> why doenst ubuntu have gtk?
[01:56] <bob2> cirkit_: why do you want the new version?
[01:56] <nanot3ch> Anyone know how long it takes to compile MySQL 4.1?
[01:56] <bob2> cirkit_: of course it has gtk, don't be silly
[01:56] <hybrid_goth> cirkit_: do you have build essintails and gtk+ 2
[01:56] <Fator_Dee> dead^^: maybe because they think that it's common sense that file should be executable to be able to execute it :-p
[01:56] <cirkit_> well what the heck is that error for
[01:56] <rhys-hynaws> bob2, oh okay... well sorry... but I mean I have to chmod everything constantly... lol.  I have that problem constantly
[01:57] <hybrid_goth> bob2: well sorry
[01:57] <dead^^> siplus, yes it worked out. thanks man =)
[01:57] <cirkit_> i already have build essentioals
[01:57] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: the problem is you didn't know to look for the -dev packages :)
[01:57] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: do you have universe repository enabled? I think it's there
[01:58] <[FiDO] > can someone help me with apache2 Name Based Virtual Hosts
[01:58] <bob2> cirkit_: yes, run the command I gave you
[01:58] <cirkit_> is there some way i need to put GTK in a certain path??
[01:58] <cirkit_> bob2, im running the build-dep gaim one
[01:58] <bob2> cirkit_: no, run the command I gave you
[01:58] <bob2> cirkit_: good
[01:58] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: did you read what bob2  and I said?
[01:58] <bob2> [FiDO] : you need to be more specific
[01:59] <_hp_> Fator_Dee, found it, it was in the universe repository
[01:59] <_hp_> thanks
[01:59] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: good
[01:59] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, yes I read what you both said.
[01:59] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: OK :)
[01:59] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, I already have build essentials which I thought was weird getting a no GTK error
[01:59] <Fator_Dee> and now I think I should go get some sleep :-p
[01:59] <_hp_> it's playing perfectly now
[02:00] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, would you happen to have a link of certain apt-get things we might need with ubuntu?
[02:00] <[FiDO] > k I know I can add a Virtual Host in the sites-available directory but I want it to work like it did for the old version of apache where you'd have <VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>> document root /var/www/ampache rather then the root director
[02:00] <bob2> cirkit_: think about it...how many potential sets of headers are there in ubuntu? hundreds, if not thousands.  installing them all would be silly.
[02:00] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: 99% of the time when you get a message compiling that something is missing, it means the *development* package
[02:00] <[FiDO] > for some reason this just isn't workign for me
[02:01] <cirkit_> shouldnt apt-get upgrade gaim get the latest version?
[02:01] <cirkit_> why doesnt it?
[02:01] <bob2> [FiDO] : add a file to the sites-available directory, containing the virtualhost stuff.  symlink it into the sites-enabled dir
[02:01] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: when you need to find something in apt, try apt-cache search <keyword>
[02:01] <_hp_> cirkit_, root is disabled, use synaptic
[02:01] <bob2> cirkit_: no, that's not what 'apt-get upgrade' does, please read the man page
[02:01] <bob2> cirkit_: also, hoary is frozen, and will not be getting new versions of software
[02:01] <bob2> this is how software releases work
[02:01] <[FiDO] > can you just tack it on the end of the default site
[02:02] <bob2> if you want random new uploads of potentially unstable software, ubuntu stable is not what you want
[02:02] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: you can't expect a stable distribution to update everything all the time
[02:02] <bob2> what amazing new features does the new minor version of gaim have?
[02:03] <thoreauputic> bob2: probably a new icon or something crucial like that ;-)
[02:03] <rhys-hynaws> bob2... well we're talking 1.1.4 to 1.3.9
[02:03] <rhys-hynaws> 1.3.0**
[02:03] <rhys-hynaws> so t'aint so minor...
[02:03] <aVeedo> This is common: What's the fix for sound?  I've seen it here but never had the problem before.
[02:03] <rhys-hynaws> bob2 There are major security bugs with msn fixed...
[02:03] <bob2> aVeedo: depends what the problem is
[02:03] <usynic> aVeedo: it's on http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:03] <Burgundavia> rhys-hynaws, that is minor
[02:03] <shido6> ok
[02:03] <bob2> rhys-hynaws: then they will be backported to the version in hoary
[02:03] <shido6> i finally got vmware to SEE my /dev/hda1 partition
[02:04] <shido6> but now grub is bitching at me
[02:04] <shido6> can I do some voodoo with the xp boot cd?
[02:04] <vessuvius81> thnx kyncani
[02:04] <shido6> without screwin anythin
[02:04] <shido6> or
[02:04] <shido6> u know what
[02:04] <Burgundavia> rhys-hynaws, if there are security fixes, file a bug, so they can be backported
[02:04] <shido6> n/m i'll make a boot disk
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> anyone here use Vim for coding?
[02:04] <bob2> yes
[02:04] <Liz> anyone else having problems with authentication on the new updates for hoary?
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> bob2: nice?
[02:04] <bob2> hybrid_goth: yes. I do prefer emacs, though.
[02:05] <hybrid_goth> bob2: ok is it better than nano for coding?
[02:05] <bob2> hybrid_goth: both of them are
[02:05] <bob2> most editors are better than nano for anything aside from simplicity
[02:05] <Burgundavia> rhys-hynaws, http://www.gnomefiles.org/version.php?soft_id=153
[02:05] <hybrid_goth> bob2: ok ty
[02:05] <Razor-X> just got Java working in Konqueror, wasn't hard at all
[02:05] <calavera> I'm looking for some help with xorg and a trident driver.
[02:06] <runedude> hi guys got a question.. when I have Xvnc running, how do I get a terminal inside of the VNC session, or X?
[02:06] <calavera> It seems the overlay won't work. Is this a known issue with 6.8.2?
[02:06] <shido6> how do I create a boot disk for ubuntu (floppy) Im really going to make an iso so I can boot the iso from vmware to boot my xp partition
[02:06] <rhys-hynaws> Burgundavia, namaste
[02:06] <calavera> The overlay works fine if I use the VESA driver instead of the trident driver.
[02:07] <bob2> calavera: google doesn't know anything?
[02:07] <bob2> I'd wager trident is not the most closely maintained driver
[02:07] <calavera> bob2: Not that I can find. Most just say its a bugged driver.
[02:08] <calavera> bob2: True, Trident doesn't seem to be forthcoming.
[02:09] <dead^^> ahem... if type command "java -jav javaapnamehere" to start up java application, am I doing something wrong or does the computer just fcuk with me? :S
[02:09] <dead^^> nothing happens
[02:09] <thoreauputic> typo? I think you want -jar
[02:09] <thoreauputic> not -jav
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> newbie question.. i just compiled a C prog in gcc it gave me a.out
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> how do i execute it
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> ./a.out
[02:10] <lifeless> ./a.out
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[02:10] <lifeless> (be sure to do it twice ;))
[02:10] <dead^^> thoreauputic,  sorry, i meant -jar. i'm drunk and tired :)
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> lifeless: lol
[02:11] <thoreauputic> dead^^: we are assuming you have javav installed, of course...
[02:11] <thoreauputic> *java
[02:11] <hybrid_goth> dead^^: wow drunk tired and you *are* dead
[02:11] <dead^^> thoreauputic,  yes, it should be :P
[02:11] <dead^^> hybrid_goth, lol
[02:12] <hybrid_goth> :D
[02:13] <hybrid_goth> nanot3ch: how do i start samba?
[02:13] <bob2> it's started already
[02:13] <bob2> assuming you installed it
[02:13] <calavera> bob2: From what I've seen there are supposed to be some fixes with XFree86 4.1.0, but I already tried 4.3.0 and it exhibited the same problems.
[02:14] <hybrid_goth> bob2: well how do i get the other files on my network
[02:14] <hybrid_goth> i just apted it
[02:14] <bob2> calavera: hoary is well past Xfree86 4.1 and Xfree86 4.3
[02:14] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: Samba is just a frontend to access windows services...make sure you have it installed on your system, then I believe it is either smb or samba in terminal.
[02:14] <bob2> hybrid_goth: I don't know what you mean
[02:14] <DAC1138> is there anyone here from ubuntu with the shipit system?
[02:15] <bob2> hybrid_goth: samba is a server, it has nothing to do with accessing other windows machines
[02:15] <bob2> DAC1138: why do you ask?
[02:15] <nanot3ch> bob2: samba client...
[02:15] <hybrid_goth> nvm nanot3ch got it
[02:15] <calavera> bob2: I know. I installed them to test and see if they had a functioning video overlay.
[02:16] <DAC1138> bob2 im just wondering what's going on with them. are they still shipping cds? i set an order for some hoary cds march 25th, and they said hoary wont ship until mid april
[02:16] <bob2> DAC1138: they should be on their way to you
[02:16] <johan> I have a big problem now..
[02:16] <johan> root password is not working
[02:16] <johan> :(
[02:16] <DAC1138> bob2 ive got some friends who want some cds, and im wondering if it would be faster to just burn them myself. but i know as soon as i get them burned, theyll arrive the next day in the mail
[02:17] <bob2> johan: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:17] <shawnh> hi
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> johan: there is no root in ubuntu look at the link
[02:17] <bob2> johan: and, in future, please do read the text printed during install (it explains that there is no root account)
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> shawnh: hi
[02:17] <shawnh> hybris
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> bob2: rofl
[02:17] <bob2> DAC1138: well, ideally they should be there now
[02:17] <shawnh>  how is it going
[02:18] <shawnh>  where ya from?
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> good you
[02:18] <shawnh>  30mbc
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> shawnh: texas you?
[02:18] <shawnh> n2b
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> good
[02:18] <shawnh>   canada
[02:18] <shawnh> www.crestonbc.com
[02:18] <nderjm> Ive setup a DHCP server and am testing it (dhcpd -d -f eth0), but it keeps telling me that there are no free leases on subnet <IP_ADDRESS>.  Any ideas?
[02:18] <chillywilly> Before mercury, brandy was used to fill thermometers.
[02:18] <shawnh> what's up in Texas
[02:18] <zoddan^wlan> Hi
[02:18] <zoddan^wlan> did a new screenshit a moment ago
[02:18] <shawnh> zoddan
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> http://hybrid-online.tk and http://hybrid-undergorund.tk
[02:19] <zoddan^wlan> shawnh: ?
[02:19] <hybrid_goth> ntm trying to get media off a networked windoze machine how is canada
[02:19] <shawnh> how is  it going
[02:19] <johan> bob2: anvandare@ubuntu:~$ sudo /etc/sudoers
[02:19] <zoddan^wlan> shawnh: good
[02:19] <fluideye> hey all
[02:19] <shawnh> yeah it is great the weather today  was unbelieveable
[02:19] <shawnh> fluid eye
[02:19] <hybrid_goth> cool
[02:19] <johan> bob2: anvandare is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported
[02:19] <zoddan^wlan> http://zoddan.mine.nu/ubuntu2.png a comment? :)
[02:20] <shawnh> how old are you hybrid
[02:20] <fluideye> why is it when i try sudo apt-get I get couldn't find package
[02:20] <chillywilly> nice irssi
[02:20] <hybrid_goth> shawnh: 14 you
[02:20] <fluideye> this is with all packages i've tried to get
[02:20] <bob2> johan: er, yes, why would you run that file?
[02:20] <bob2> johan: what are you trying to do?
[02:20] <chillywilly> I still think gkrellm is the most hideoous monitoring program ever made ;)
[02:20] <chillywilly> hideous too
[02:21] <batkins_> chillywilly: is there anything better?
[02:21] <johan> bob2: wait....
[02:21] <chillywilly> batkins_: gdesklets can be used
[02:21] <chillywilly> :)
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> shawnh: 14  you
[02:22] <shawnh> m?
[02:22] <chillywilly> I miss my gdesklets
[02:22] <shawnh> yeah  30
[02:22] <shawnh> what is that chilly
[02:22] <fluideye> shawnh: can you help?
[02:22] <chillywilly> most of th good ones were b0rked the last time I tried to use them
[02:22] <shawnh> can you help me?
[02:22] <shawnh>  don;t know cha  you
[02:22] <batkins_> eh, gkrellm's not so bad
[02:22] <chillywilly> http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[02:22] <UNI`> :D
[02:23] <zoddan^wlan> what does everyone think? :P
[02:23] <shawnh> bout what
[02:23] <zoddan^wlan> my screen
[02:23] <shawnh> the world?
[02:23] <shawnh>  hehhe
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> synaptic is _SLOW_
[02:23] <shawnh> brb
[02:23] <fluideye> any help? why is it when i try sudo apt-get return couldn't find package with every app i've tried
[02:24] <UNI`> :o
[02:24] <UNI`> I have ubuntu now :D
[02:24] <UNI`> I haven't installed it yet though
[02:24] <shawnh> ok dude
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> fluideye: repos set?
[02:24] <snakesqzns> gkrellm has the best plugin: http://horus.comlab.uni-rostock.de/flynn/
[02:24] <shawnh> accept the file
[02:24] <fluideye> newb don't know
[02:24] <bob2> fluideye: presumably you're not using the right package names
[02:24] <NigelS> fluideye: so you've run sudo apt-get update, with repositories in /etc/apt/spources.list and then gone sudo apt-get install <package> ?
[02:24] <UNI`> Is ubuntu user friendly
[02:24] <bob2> fluideye: give us some examples of what you've tried
[02:24] <UNI`> ?
[02:24] <fluideye> no
[02:25] <UNI`> I am not well versed in linux
[02:25] <UNI`> :(
[02:25] <thoreauputic> fluideye: apt-cache search <keyword> ; sudo apt-get install <what you found>
[02:25] <hybrid_goth> fluideye: look at /etc/apt/sources.list and see if any urls have a # or 2 b4 them
[02:25] <fluideye> nigels  how would i do that
[02:25] <hybrid_goth> UNI`: yes it is UF but can be very powerfull
[02:25] <bob2> fluideye: tell us which packages won't work for you
[02:25] <UNI`> Cool :D
[02:26] <zoddan^wlan> shawnh what ?
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> UNI`: yes it is a debian deveriant so it can be powerfull but if you dont tweek it is juss another os
[02:26] <fluideye> gftp, flash, and acrobat
[02:26] <bob2> fluideye: then you're using the wrong package names
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> UNI`: best thing is it uses apt :D
[02:26] <UNI`> Yeah ! :D
[02:26] <Zotnix> Anyone here have troubles using the nvidia drivers? Basically X liking to crash a lot?
[02:26] <bob2> fluideye: except gftp, which is correct
[02:26] <UNI`> I will put it on my other computer for now
[02:26] <UNI`> And then if I like it put it on this computer :)
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> ;)
[02:26] <Zotnix> Every so often X freezes and I have to make my poor friend shell in, kill x, and restart it.
[02:27] <bob2> fluideye: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, read that to find out how to enable the universe repository to get gftp
[02:27] <bob2> fluideye: read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to learn about flash
[02:27] <bob2> and then watch firefox become amusingly unstable
[02:27] <fluideye> this is what i used  sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[02:27] <UNI`> XD
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> bob2: what is the deal with ubuntu and "restricted formats"?
[02:27] <bob2> fluideye: yes, read the pages I just told you about
[02:28] <Zotnix> Okay, with the nv open source drivers... is it more stable?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> fluideye: did you apt-get update before trying to install ?
[02:28] <bob2> hybrid_goth: ubuntu can't distribute things like that without being sued
[02:28] <bob2> Zotnix: yes
[02:28] <bob2> hybrid_goth: well, potentially sued.  and canonical being sued is baaaaad.
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> bob2: right now? why?
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> o i c
[02:28] <bob2> hybrid_goth: why would they get sued or why would it be bad?
[02:29] <fluideye> hybrid-goth  there are several urls with #
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> nvm i thot u said they *are* being sued
[02:29] <bob2> ah
[02:29] <bob2> fluideye: seriously, please read the pages I told you about
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> fluideye: well delete the #
[02:29] <bob2> fluideye: they explain all this
[02:29] <UNI`> I am new to freenode :)
[02:29] <Zotnix> Hrm.
[02:29] <UNI`> I am moving my channel to this network :D
[02:29] <fluideye> bob2  k
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> fluideye:  yes ubuntu has AWESOME howto
[02:29] <Zotnix> Thought so. Seems nvidia likes to freeze up.. nice card too :(
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> UNI`: heh
[02:30] <Nalioth> howdy
[02:30] <_hp_> canonical is a company, and companies are meant to make money. getting sued is a nice way of loosing money
[02:30] <UNI`> Hi :D
[02:34] <johan> bob2 If I try to run for example synaptec I can't log in. get error Child terminated with 1 status
[02:34] <bob2> you're being too vague
[02:35] <bob2> do you mean "When I try to run Synaptic from the menu, it asks for a password, then when I enter it, it fails with "child terminated with 1 status""?
[02:36] <johan> bob2: it take some time for me to spell in english..Can't install english dictionary ether:)  wait..
[02:36] <bob2> ok
[02:38] <danko123456> msn.msn.icowww.winamp.com
[02:39] <johan> bob2: I have probobly change something in "users and groups" now if I try to open something I need root acces to I get the error message
[02:40] <johan> bob2: for example...failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic:
[02:40] <johan>  Child terminated with 1 status
[02:41] <merkidemis> Would anyone have some time to assist me in getting my audio working?  I have onboad sound provided by a Realtek ALC655 chip.
[02:43] <Andril> hello all
[02:43] <zoddan^wlan> dah, how do i close PM in irssi ?
[02:43] <Andril> has anyone installed inkscape yet?
[02:43] <Gabriel> Is there a way to make all icons stand on the right side instead on my Gnome 2.10 desktop?
[02:43] <zoddan^wlan> got it
[02:44] <merkidemis> Gabriel: what do you mean?
[02:44] <johan> bob2: others have beenhaving the same problem but I don't find a way to fix the problem
[02:44] <runedude> hmm
[02:44] <johan> bob2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=b1ab63bce0273d8dc976eb58c2de19e3&p=156991#post156991
[02:44] <johan> :(
[02:45] <runedude> do you guys know how to install gdm, but not have it autostart?
[02:45] <Andril> Inkscape help over here anyone?
[02:45] <Gabriel> merkidemis, by default the icons stand on the left, I would like them to be on the right... I can manually move them at the moment but when a USB or a CD is plugged the icon(s) appear(s) on the left side
[02:45] <tritium> runedude, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[02:46] <Gabriel> merkidemis, maybe there is a way to change this in the gconf editor?
[02:46] <tritium> you'll want the first method, which uses update-rc.d, runedude, and subst. "g" for the "?"
[02:47] <johan> Andril: Have you tryed #inkscape on server irc.freenode.org
[02:47] <runedude> ok
[02:47] <runedude> but is there a way to have GNOME on VNC?
[02:47] <nderjm> anyone know of any DHCP 2 issues on Warty?
[02:48] <Andril> johan, nope but I will try it
[02:48] <tritium> runedude, vino should be installed.  See System->Preferences->Remote Desktop
[02:48] <dataw0lf> johan: we're on freenode.
[02:48] <runedude> it says vino IS installed
[02:48] <runedude> :p
[02:48] <dataw0lf> so, just.. channel #inkscape
[02:48] <dataw0lf> ie
[02:48] <dataw0lf> /join #inkscape
[02:49] <johan> dataw0lf:  but not in #inkscape:)
[02:49] <tritium> runedude, there's also client in Applications->Internet->Terminal Server Client
[02:49] <johan> dataw0lf:ok
[02:49] <merkidemis> gabriel: hmm, I get it now.  Sadly, I don't know how you'd change that
[02:50] <Andril> has anyone tried the autopackage?
[02:50] <runedude> tritium, i have no access to the remote box:)
[02:50] <johan> bob2: do you have any ide??:)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Andril: I've tried autopackage - it works well enough but be careful of collisions with the dpkg/apt system ( I believe they are working on it)
[02:51] <tritium> Andril, here's a link you may find interesting by Joey Hess re: autopackage: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/autopackage_designed_by_monkeys-2005-03-28-14-20.html
[02:52] <hyphenated> anyone here have an inspiron 6000 laptop and have managed to make the ATI fglrx driver work nicely?
[02:52] <hyphenated> (I've checked the forums, and it works fine with the 'ati' driver, but not with 'fglrx')
[02:52] <merkidemis> When I try to play things in VLC, I get an error:  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp).  Can someone assist me in getting my sound card set up correctly?
[02:52] <tritium> runedude, then what were you planning on using vnc for?
[02:52] <mitspooner> any ideas on why my install freezes on the python config on my new celeron??
[02:53] <merkidemis> mitspooner: What version of python?
[02:53] <mitspooner> 2.4
[02:53] <darkaudit> duh... I'm pulling my hair out looking for a CD cover image... then I realize a) the cover is right in front of me, and b) there's a scanner upstairs :p
[02:53] <nderjm> Anyone know of any DHCP2 issues with Ubuntu Warty?
[02:53] <runedude> tritium, I have no access to its desktop, I only have access via shell
[02:53] <mitspooner> it just hangs
[02:53] <tritium> runedude, I see.
[02:54] <runedude> its my friends box
[02:54] <merkidemis> mitspooner: not off hand, sorry.  Perhaps you could leave it off, finish the install, then add it later?
[02:54] <runedude> we dont want 2 things of X running'
[02:54] <thoreauputic> tritium: I think that autopackage blog rant misses the point of autopackage: it isn't a package format in itself
[02:55] <tritium> thoreauputic, I don't know, as I've not looked into it
[02:55] <thoreauputic> tritium: I think it has a way to go before it is good: but the idea itself is a good one
[02:55] <mitspooner> merkidemis: it wont instal at all that is my problem
[02:55] <Andril> just asking because none seems to know the command for Inkscape - and it disappeared from Synaptics
[02:55] <merkidemis> mitspooner: ouch.
[02:56] <tritium> Andril, dpkg -L inkscape will list the files in the package, so you can find out
[02:56] <merkidemis> mitspooner: sorry I can't help yah
[02:56] <bur[n] er> can someone do me a favor and see if "vncviewer -listen" works for them??
[02:57] <thoreauputic> tritium: he installed it with autopackage, I believe - so dpkg won't know about it
[02:57] <kyncani> runedude: well, that's really twisted :) but you could dpkg-divert /etc/init.d/gdm to smthing else, provide a empty gdm init script, install gdm, and dpkg-divert back :D
[02:57] <tritium> thoreauputic, oh...that's interesting
[02:57] <runedude> kyncani, ill keep it simple and just not use X:)
[02:57] <kyncani> :))
[02:58] <johan> I have probebly change something in "users and groups" now if I try to open something I need root acces to I get the error message:.failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: Child terminated with 1 status
[02:58] <thoreauputic> tritium: autopackage has some unresolved issues like integration with packaging systems
[02:58] <johan> Please someone help me:(
[02:58] <tritium> runedude, did you try the update-rc.d approach?
[02:59] <tritium> thoreauputic, I would imagine.
[02:59] <Nalioth> johan, terminal is your friend
[02:59] <bur[n] er> johan: 'sudo synaptic' ?
[02:59] <bur[n] er> johan: or run "gksu synaptic" in X
[02:59] <johan> anvandare@ubuntu:~$ sudo synaptic
[02:59] <johan> Password:
[02:59] <johan> anvandare is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[02:59] <johan> anvandare@ubuntu:~$
[03:00] <bur[n] er> aww
[03:00] <bur[n] er> can you get to root at all?
[03:00] <johan> :(
[03:00] <bur[n] er> from another user possibly?
[03:00] <kyncani> johan: are you in group admin ?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> johan: reboot into recovery mode and use visudo to add your user to /etc/sudoers
[03:00] <johan> bur[n] er: Im a newbei and only have the defult acount
[03:01] <bob2> kyncani: there is no group admin
[03:01] <bur[n] er> johan: did you f with /etc/sudoers?
[03:01] <bob2> johan: you did something weird to your system
[03:01] <kyncani> bur[n] er,bob2: here, all members of group admin can sudo everything (default hoary install)
[03:01] <bob2> you renamed an account, or twiddled the sudoers file or something
[03:01] <foxiness> johan, www.ubuntuguide.org/index.html#allowmoresudoers
[03:02] <bur[n] er> kyncani: you're right... i just checked my /etc/sudoers :)
[03:02] <johan> anvandare@ubuntu:~$ sudo  /etc/sudoers
[03:02] <johan> Password:
[03:02] <johan> anvandare is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[03:02] <johan> anvandare@ubuntu:~$
[03:02] <bur[n] er> kyncani: good tip
[03:02] <bob2> kyncani: I have no admin group, and sudoers doesn't mention it at all
[03:02] <thoreauputic> foxiness: that won't help: he needs root access now
[03:02] <bob2> johan: stop pasting that, it means nothing
[03:02] <bob2> johan: you can't run random text files
[03:02] <johan> bob2:yes:(
[03:02] <bob2> johan: what did you do to your system?
[03:02] <danko123456> can he list the users on the system?
[03:02] <bob2> we can't help you until ou tell us how you broke it
[03:02] <johan> bob2:don't know..
[03:02] <kyncani> bob2: maybe it changed from warty to hoary ?
[03:02] <foxiness> johan, did use chmod ? or chown ?
[03:02] <bob2> kyncani: I'd be very very surprised
[03:02] <kyncani> bob2: here's a fresh hoary install
[03:03] <runedude> tritium, yea
[03:03] <runedude> its ok
[03:03] <runedude> i got it now thanks
[03:03] <johan>  ***bur[n] er: mayby
[03:03] <bur[n] er> cat: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[03:03] <bob2> johan: so you made a new user?
[03:03] <bur[n] er> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[03:03] <bur[n] er> %admin	ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:03] <foxiness> thoreauputic, i c , did he need to add this to /etc/passwd
[03:03] <bur[n] er> see bob2!
[03:03] <johan> wait..
[03:04] <thoreauputic> foxiness: he can get root access from the recovery option of grub: but he will need to know how to edit /etc/sudoers
[03:05] <hyphenated> how do you log into recovery mode if you haven't set a root password?
[03:05] <danko123456> go into the passwd file, and look at the users on the system...find out which one might have been b4...
[03:05] <bur[n] er> if he can get in recovery mode... presumably, he can just set a root password ;)
[03:05] <bob2> hyphenated: you reboot and escape the whole auth system entirely
[03:05] <hyphenated> it asks for the root password when it gets to the 'maintenance' prompt, right?
[03:05] <foxiness> hyphenated, it will not need it , it all
[03:05] <bob2> hyphenated: no
[03:05] <hyphenated> oh ok
[03:05] <bob2> bur[n] er: well, I don't see that in the sudo package at all
[03:05] <bob2> but if you say it's there, I guess I just missed it being introduced
[03:06] <hyphenated> so it'll only prompt you if a root password has actually been set?
[03:06] <bur[n] er> bob2: i didn't set it ;)
[03:06] <bur[n] er> hyphenated: it won't prompt at all when using recovery mode (aka linux single)
[03:06] <thoreauputic> bob2: It seems to be a Hoary thing : on Warty it was just adm
[03:07] <johan> I can log in and out as "anvandare" should I reboot?
[03:07] <danko123456> for whqt?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> johan: no, you choose recovery mode: but read about visudo first
[03:07] <foxiness> johan, no
[03:07] <danko123456> for logging in?
[03:07] <bur[n] er> johan: reboot... pick "recovery mode" from grub menu... then set a root password using "passwd" and then log back out and in normally and come back here ;)
[03:08] <danko123456> thoreauputic: is there no sudo user on his computer at all?
[03:08] <bur[n] er> once a root password is set, you can login normally and then "su" to get to root and fix whatever you broke ;)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> danko123456: he removed himself from sudoers by accident
[03:08] <foxiness> johan, this new user need to be on sudoers list
[03:08] <danko123456> oh, ok...
[03:08] <bob2> well, I don't htink we know what johan did
[03:08] <johan> it take some time for me to spell in english..Can't install english dictionary ether:)  wait..
[03:08] <bob2> it sounds like he/she made a new user who didn't have sudo priveleges
[03:09] <thoreauputic> bob2: true, I'm just guessing
[03:09] <foxiness> lol
[03:09] <danko123456> johan, look in your /etc/passwd file, with vi, or something like gedit, and see if there is a user you used b4...
[03:10] <thoreauputic> danko123456: he won't be allowed access to /etc/password
[03:10] <thoreauputic> danko123456: until he can get root privileges
[03:10] <foxiness> thoreauputic, good :)
[03:10] <kyncani> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1612 2005-04-29 22:55 /etc/passwd
[03:10] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: not true... any user can read it
[03:10] <kyncani> read access for every1
[03:10] <foxiness> kyncani, more is good too
[03:10] <thoreauputic> OK - my bad
[03:11] <thoreauputic> as long as he can't write to it :)
[03:11] <kyncani> ;)
[03:11] <johan> not  allowed access to /etc/password
[03:11] <danko123456> he can view it...
[03:11] <danko123456> not at all?
[03:12] <danko123456> mine can anyhow...
[03:12] <johan>  I reboot... pick "recovery mode" from grub menu... then set a root password using "passwd" and then log back out and in normally and come back here...
[03:12] <johan> or??
[03:12] <johan> :-/
[03:12] <danko123456> you can, maybe, or edit the file from there.
[03:12] <kyncani> johan: right, simple, effective
[03:12] <danko123456> add a line to allow your user to sudo.
[03:13] <johan> you think I will be able to come back?
[03:13] <johan> No backup plan ...  If I sucseed I will come back....
[03:16] <johan> Thank you all for the help
[03:16] <johan> :)
[03:16] <danko123456> you will be back even if it dont work:)
[03:16] <danko123456> cya soon
[03:17] <MeMcme123> hello
[03:17] <danko123456> yo
[03:23] <Flav> i went to install python on my hoary box, it listed python-profiler as a suggestion, but that package doesn't exist?
[03:23] <lmh> hi all
[03:25] <lmh> have a problem getting dual head of my radeon 9500 working
[03:25] <lmh> first monitor works, second not
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Flav: apt-cache policy python-profiler says
[03:25] <thoreauputic>  2.4-3ubuntu1 0
[03:25] <thoreauputic>         500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[03:26] <lmh> tried fglrxconfig
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Flav: you haven't enabled multiverse, I'd say
[03:26] <Flav> thoreauputic: that's right - hadn't heard of multiverse before
[03:26] <lmh> anybody who could help me?
[03:27] <Stoney47> lmh, i use nvidia, but for that i need to use twinview in my config, there might be something like that for ati too
[03:27] <lmh> could you show me the server-layout part of your config?
[03:28] <lmh> stoney47: do u use Xinerama?
[03:28] <P2OG> is there a console command to set TIME manually
[03:28] <Stoney47> lmh, yup
[03:28] <lmh> p20g: date
[03:28] <P2OG> ok so date <>?
[03:29] <P2OG> date <what goes here>
[03:29] <johan> ok..I am able to loging in and out from the system:)
[03:29] <simon__> if I modprobe a driver, I lsmod and it shows the driver is loaded, but it's not loading wlan0, any idea?
[03:29] <lmh> p20g: date -s
[03:29] <johan> Was going for the recovery mode and was coming to a comandline root@
[03:29] <lmh> p20g: date --help
[03:29] <simon__> I tried alias wlan0 prism2_usb but it says that there is no wlan0 and prism2_usb
[03:30] <johan> Im a newbie can I ask what I should write??...
[03:30] <lmh> p20g: date -s [MMddhhmm[[cc] yy] .ss]
[03:31] <lmh> Stoney47: how can you show it to me?
[03:31] <Stoney47> lmh, i sent it too you in a pm
[03:32] <lmh> Stoney47: ups, sorry (newbie to X-Chat - Prog)
[03:32] <Stoney47> lmh, np :)
[03:32] <hyphenated> is there a runlevel that doesn't start gdm by default?
[03:32] <Stoney47> is there any downside to using the multiverse?
[03:33] <johan>  hyphenated: You ask me?
[03:33] <eob84> has anyone gotten Rhythm box to work in KDE?
[03:34] <eob84> I need to know what flag to put in the audiosource field under gconfig
[03:34] <lmh> Stoney47: do u use several device - parts?
[03:34] <Stoney47> yeah, hold on i'll send you my whole config
[03:35] <NightwishFreak> hello everyone
[03:35] <simon__>  if I modprobe a driver, I lsmod and it shows the driver is loaded, but it's not loading wlan0, any idea?
[03:36] <goldfish> gat]
[03:36] <goldfish>  gasjdfh sd
[03:36] <goldfish> g sdgsdag u
[03:36] <goldfish> das
[03:36] <tritium> hyphenated, no, use update-rc.d to disable gdm if you want to
[03:36] <thoreauputic> goldfish: cut it out
[03:38] <tritium> hyphenated, see here for more info: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[03:39] <goldfish> ?:Dtop
[03:39] <goldfish> :D
[03:40] <tritium> goldfish, please stop
[03:40] <goldfish> *Sigh*
[03:40] <goldfish> Really sorry, some moron took my terminal.
[03:41] <goldfish> someone took over my screen session, thought it was "funny"
[03:41] <goldfish> I'll get them back!
[03:41] <stuNNed> hehe
[03:42] <Nalioth> goldfish, took you terminal? apt-get some more
[03:42] <goldfish> hehe
[03:42] <Anubis> my system froze
[03:42] <Anubis> I think Firefox did it
[03:42] <Anubis> and after reboot nautilus is not starting or is dead
[03:42] <Anubis> I can't get a desktop
[03:43] <Anubis> no tool bar
[03:43] <Anubis> no applets
[03:43] <Anubis> wtf?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Anubis: run ps aux | grep nautilus and see if there are things running, then kill them
[03:44] <thoreauputic> hmm... quick visit....
[03:44] <hyphenated> tritium: fantastic, thanks
[03:44] <tritium> hyphenated, :)
[03:46] <hyphenated> (I just mv'd the file/link to a .file instead)
[03:49] <tritium> hyphenated, heh, okay
[03:51] <LinuxDebian> salut tout le monde
[03:51] <tritium> LinuxDebian, you might be looking for #ubuntu-fr
[03:52] <skore> hi
[03:52] <LinuxDebian> tank you Trickyphillips
[03:52] <johan> no I can't understand how I can make a new user in recovery mode...
[03:52] <skore> i need help
[03:52] <IFR_> I'm on a i686 but when I installed I ended up with kernel 2.6.10-5-386. ANyone have an opinion as to whether I should upgrade to 2.6.10-5-686 or go straight for it with linux-source-2.6.11 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.11 with Ubuntu patches?
[03:53] <tritium> IFR_, don't use 2.6.11, it's unsupported
[03:53] <tritium> If I were you, IFR_ I'd install linux-686
[03:53] <IFR_> Thanks so much tritium, is that the actual package name?
[03:54] <IFR_> Sorry to be presumptuous
[03:54] <tritium> IFR_, yes, it depends on a kernel image, as well as linux-restricted-modules
[03:54] <Anubis> how can I kill gnome
[03:54] <IFR_> Thanks so much. If I apt-get it will it get the depends or should I cope with them first?
[03:54] <Anubis> its still running
[03:54] <IFR_> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[03:54] <IFR_> Anubis
[03:54] <Anubis> but I'm in another DED?
[03:54] <tritium> IFR_, apt will take care of the dependencies for you
[03:55] <Anubis> gnome seems to be still running after I exit from it!?
[03:55] <johan> don't get any results in google...don't even now exactly what I want? Create new user ? Change password?
[03:55] <IFR_> Thanks! One last question, tritium: I just compiled ipw2200 version 1.0.0 for my -386 kernel. Should I uninstall and reinstall after the lernel upgrade?
[03:55] <IFR_> Or just let it be?
[03:56] <IFR_> tritium, sorry the ipw2200 is wifi driver
[03:56] <tritium> IFR_, you can just let it be in case you keep the -386 kernel around.
[03:56] <IFR_> Right. But I'll have to install again in the 686 kernel? Sorry if I misunderstood.
[03:56] <Anubis> is there a cmd to kill gnome or a process in gnome that will stop it shoulld that process die?
[03:57] <Anubis> i need my resources back
[03:57] <tritium> IFR_, yes, you will need to do the same for the new kernel
[03:57] <IFR_> Thanks Tritium!
[03:57] <tritium> sure :)
[03:57] <Anubis> me next tritum
[03:57] <IFR_> Anubis, ps aux | grep gnome
[03:57] <IFR_> But you sure you really wanna?
[03:58] <Anubis> yes
[03:58] <Anubis> I'm in xfce4 right now
[03:58] <IFR_> Whoops. Just past me. Sorry
[03:58] <IFR_> Thanks again tritium, have a great night
[03:59] <snoop_> hello...
[03:59] <snoop_> can anyone help me out with some trouble i am having with my wireless connection?
[04:00] <shad0w1e> anyone here know how to use vsftpd? I'm looking to allow specific users access to specific directories, AS WELL AS their home directory
[04:00] <thoreauputic> Anubis: if you are in xfce4 some gnome things will probably be running ( xfce seems to use nautilus to draw the desktop for example)
[04:00] <Anubis> thx for that
[04:00] <lmh> join #xorg
[04:01] <Anubis> something is very wrong here
[04:01] <Anubis> its weird because I had an uptime of 25 days before this
[04:01] <thoreauputic> me supplies a missing / for lmh
[04:01] <geppy> I've tried googling and just messing around with it, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to make an GStreamer project in Anjuta;  I don't know how to make it look in /usr/include/gstreamer-0.8 for "gst/gst.h"
[04:01] <thoreauputic> and forgets one himself :)
[04:01] <Anubis> I'm going ot try and reboot
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Anubis: did you try ps | aux and look for culprits?
[04:02] <geppy> Is anyone in here familiar with Anjuta?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Anubis: it's probably some misbehaving process you can kill the parent of
[04:04] <thoreauputic> Anubis: sorry that should have been ` ps aux `
[04:05] <geppy> Anjuta, anyone?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Anubis: so used to using | grep that I put it in the wrong place...
[04:05] <Anubis> rythmbox its weird
[04:05] <benplaut> is Morphix LightGUI any good when installed?
[04:05] <Anubis> every app I was running appears to be runniig
[04:05] <Anubis> as if gnome IS still running
[04:05] <benplaut> ubuntu isn't light enough...
[04:06] <bob2> benplaut: #morphix might know
[04:06] <geppy> benplaut: I think you mean that Gnome isn't light enough.  Have you given Fluxbox a try?  I've had many a positive experience with it.  If not, xfce, blackbox, and others all have good followings.
[04:06] <benplaut> bob2: asking there, too
[04:07] <benplaut> geppy: i have tried many, but it is not for me. it is for people who possibly haven't even heard of linux
[04:07] <thoreauputic> the new xfce4 is very impressive
[04:07] <mebaran151> XFCE is nice
[04:07] <mebaran151> xfce4 is really easy to use
[04:08] <foxiness> if i want "clamav" just to out put "found" virus ? how
[04:08] <blake> still workin on appache
[04:09] <MeMcme123> Does everyone here have thier Episode 3 tickets yet?
[04:09] <foxiness> if i want to run this command on start up "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd" where i need to put it ?
[04:09] <geppy> Anyone in here any good with makefiles?
[04:10] <snoop_> anyone good with wireless connections? i need a bit of help
[04:10] <thoreauputic> benplaut: IceWM ia kind of windowsish if they haven't used linux before
[04:11] <thoreauputic> foxiness: actually you need to put an entry in /etc/hdparm.conf
[04:11] <geppy> argh
[04:11] <geppy> I can't stand it
[04:11] <geppy> programming gstreamer sucks
[04:11] <foxiness> thoreauputic, i like the icon of xfce4 and am use terminal "of xfce on my gnome" i like it its look like firefox
[04:13] <foxiness> thoreauputic, it act like firefox idea on some gui if im not wrong , i hope gnome follow that idea and use the same icon on xfce4.2
[04:16] <shad0w1e> is there any way to set up a list of directories that a user will see when they ftp in using vsftpd?
[04:17] <snoop_> anyone, does ubuntu support wap encrypted networks?
[04:18] <hyphenated> snoop_: if you mean WEP, then yes
[04:18] <thread> anybody know why a fresh apache/php4 install would cause the server to try and send down the php file rather than it's postprocessed output?
[04:18] <hyphenated> assuming you have a decent driver for a decent wifi card
[04:19] <trah> Does Ubuntu come with an SSH server installed?
[04:19] <snoop_> hyphenated: i set up the drivers on my linux card, but it does not work..
[04:20] <snoop_> * by linux, i mean linksys
[04:20] <Bandit> good evening
[04:20] <thread> trah: no
[04:20] <thread> trah: openssh-server I think...
[04:20] <trah> how can i start it?
[04:20] <goldfish> trah: u need to apt-get it
[04:20] <trah> :)
[04:20] <thread> trah: it should start automatically... but yea (you need to install it)
[04:21] <trah> alright
[04:21] <trah> thanks, more help than i have gotten anywhere else.
[04:21] <trah> thanks
[04:22] <thread> anybody? please? ... setting up apache/php in ubuntu?
[04:23] <snoop_> hyphenated: i have a home network with wpa pre shared key with AES, anyway to get that working?
[04:23] <ficusplanet> thread, Install apache2 and the php4 mod for it.
[04:23] <dcraven> thread: apache2? I thought it worked out of the box with php.
[04:23] <trah> thanks alot :)!
[04:23] <thread> we've done that
[04:24] <makaveli> i have a problem i am trying to mount my windows partition and i keep on getting the error /dev/hdc already mounted or /hom/jr/windows busy
[04:24] <makaveli> i can't figure it out
[04:24] <ficusplanet> thread, Then edit the config files in /etc/apache2 to your liking.
[04:24] <Nalioth> trah, we are all full of it
[04:24] <Nalioth> trah help, that is
[04:24] <foxiness> makaveli, i think this for cdrom "hdc"
[04:24] <makaveli> no
[04:24] <ficusplanet> thread, The default DocumentRoot is /var/www
[04:24] <Nalioth> hate it when they get help and run
[04:25] <makaveli> a seperater partition on my hardrive
[04:25] <thread> ficusplanet: we have our php files in /var/www... we've installed apache2 and apache2-mod-php4
[04:25] <foxiness> makaveli, k umount than mount again
[04:25] <makaveli> tried that it says that it is not mounted
[04:25] <ficusplanet> thread, If you go to http://localhost/ what do you get?
[04:25] <makaveli> i entered into fstab to try to mount it
[04:26] <makaveli> and it says that it is not mounted when i do umount
[04:26] <thread> ficusplanet: the temp page
[04:26] <thoreauputic> makaveli: /dev/hdc *can't* be a partition - a partition has a number
[04:26] <thoreauputic> makaveli: like /dev/hdc2 or whatever
[04:26] <makaveli> it is the first partition on the drive
[04:26] <makaveli> /dev/hdc2 is my linux
[04:26] <thread> ficusplanet: any .php we try and access, though, just wants to save the php file
[04:26] <thoreauputic> then it is /dev/hdc1
[04:26] <foxiness> makaveli, than its 1
[04:26] <makaveli> ok that's the problem than
[04:26] <dcraven> thread: any output from "ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ | grep php"?
[04:27] <makaveli> also do u know any thing about bachs
[04:27] <makaveli> ?
[04:27] <makaveli> i'm trying to get that working so that i can use some of my windows programs
[04:27] <thoreauputic> makaveli: you mean "bochs" ?
[04:27] <dcraven> thread: I'm thinking that might be significant, but I'm not sure. I don't remember having to configure anything.
[04:27] <snoop_> Nalioth: a bit of help? i am trying to set up a wireless connection, but it wont work for some reason..
[04:27] <makaveli> yes
[04:27] <foxiness> makaveli, i think u mean somthing like vmware like qemu
[04:27] <ficusplanet> thread, I didn't have to configure anything either.
[04:27] <makaveli> yea
[04:27] <thread> dcraven: php4.conf and php4.load exist in that directory
[04:28] <makaveli> that's what bochs is
[04:28] <dcraven> thread: and did you do a "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" after you installed the php mod?
[04:28] <thread> yep.. we've restarted apache (even rebooted)
[04:28] <thoreauputic> makaveli: if it's simple programs, wine might do it for you
[04:28] <dcraven> thread: be certain you are starting *apache2*, not apache.
[04:29] <foxiness> makaveli, than try qemu its basd on bochs and its easy of use
[04:29] <makaveli> i couldn't figure out that either
[04:29] <makaveli> ok will try that
[04:29] <makaveli> the only thing is...
[04:29] <dcraven> thread: there are scripts to start both in /etc/init.d/...
[04:29] <allyn> anyone using dvdrip?
[04:29] <makaveli> that on their website they themselves weren't to sure if it would work with xp
[04:29] <makaveli> they have a question mark next to it
[04:29] <Nalioth> snoop_, i'm not much good with encrytption or x86 based stuff. all my eqpt was made by Apple
[04:29] <makaveli> so that's why i tried bochs
[04:30] <thoreauputic> makaveli: what programs do you want to run?
[04:30] <foxiness> makaveli, did u mean qemu ?
[04:30] <makaveli> yea qemu has a question mark next to xp
[04:30] <thread> dcraven: good call... we are in fact running apache2, not apache
[04:30] <makaveli> i want to run trillian mostly
[04:30] <snoop_> Nalioth: on a ppc? hows that working?
[04:30] <thread> dcraven: everything looks great!
[04:30] <thread> any other thoughts?
[04:30] <makaveli> i don't like the other chat clients and trillian i really like
[04:30] <thoreauputic> makaveli: I assume you've tried gaim ?
[04:31] <foxiness> makaveli, did u tried crossoffice ?
[04:31] <makaveli> yea
[04:31] <thoreauputic> makaveli: there are several chat clients for linux
[04:31] <makaveli> tried both of them
[04:31] <K_Dallas> makaveli: crossover installs trillian but why not gaim?
[04:31] <nmorse> hey b2s, I heard you might be able to help with an eMachines laptop sound issue?
[04:31] <ficusplanet> K_Dallas, Because gaim is installed by default with ubuntu.  It is a Linux app.
[04:31] <makaveli> what is crossover?
[04:31] <K_Dallas> gaim is free and constantly in developement
[04:32] <makaveli> i don't really like gaim that much
[04:32] <K_Dallas> gaim runs under windows too
[04:32] <Burgundavia> makaveli, a commercial wine product
[04:32] <Burgundavia> makaveli, made by the people who sponsor wine development
[04:32] <makaveli> ok
[04:32] <snoop_> anybody good with wireless? i could use some help
[04:32] <makaveli> so i will try to use crossover because i couldn't get wine to work
[04:32] <K_Dallas> but then you have to pay for trillian and crossover
[04:32] <ficusplanet> K_Dallas, Why would you run Gaim in wine, though?  It is installed in Ubuntu by default.
[04:32] <foxiness> makaveli, did u need somthing like msn ?
[04:32] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[04:32] <K_Dallas> ficusplanet, did i say that?
[04:32] <foxiness> FX|Laptop, hi
[04:32] <danko123456> yo
[04:33] <snoop_> sup
[04:33] <makaveli> not really i just like trillians layout and the options that trillian has
[04:33] <FX|Laptop> Could someone give me a hand with vnc?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> ficusplanet: I think you are missing the point
[04:33] <FX|Laptop> it works fine except for my keyboard which I think I chosed the wrong setting when I first logged in.
[04:33] <ficusplanet> K_Dallas, Ah, my fault.  Got into that conversation a little too late.
[04:33] <K_Dallas> :) no problem
[04:33] <FX|Laptop> I chosed the gnome setting instead of the x setting and now the keys don't work right.
[04:34] <nmorse> I guess b2s probably won't respond as he's been idle for over 2 days
[04:34] <Nalioth> snoop_, mostly it works great
[04:34] <FX|Laptop> Ohms!!!!!!!
[04:35] <foxiness> FX|Laptop, 101 , 104 try somthing else a
[04:35] <FX|Laptop> I have tried that.
[04:35] <snoop_> Nalioth, cool...
[04:36] <lmh> hi, have a problem with the refresh rate of a monitor. have two monitors with radeon9500 card, right monitor has vertical 75Hz instead of 60 Hz and horizontally 93 instead of 75
[04:36] <foxiness> FX|Laptop, if im not wrong gnome use x setting /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[04:36] <lmh> anybody an idea`?
[04:36] <danko123456> nmorse, what is the matter with your sound card?
[04:36] <nmorse> anyone here know how to get an ali m5475 card working?
[04:36] <FX|Laptop> What I thought also, but wouldn't know what to change in there.
[04:36] <nmorse> The modules are loaded, just no sound
[04:36] <nmorse> Not in Gnome, not in KDE, nowhere
[04:37] <Nalioth> snoop_, there are some things that don't work well (or at all), but mostly its all good
[04:37] <allyn> lmh is it a dual monitor setup?
[04:37] <lmh> allyn: yes
[04:37] <lmh> allyn: but without xinerama
[04:37] <allyn> have you looked at xorg.conf?
[04:37] <snoop_> Nalioth, what sort of things dont work?
[04:38] <lmh> allyn: yes, had trouble to get it working, now works, but with the prob
[04:38] <danko123456> nmorse, do you know of the alsamixer program?
[04:38] <allyn> i know how to erit refresh on signle monitor system, not sure how different dual monitors is
[04:38] <allyn> oh ok
[04:38] <sauli> why I get this when I try to login as root "root logins are not allowed"
[04:38] <lmh> allyn: ok, can i send you my con?
[04:38] <lmh> conf
[04:38] <Nalioth> snoop_, i have not gotten java to work (am not interested in doing flips and somersaults to achieve java installation)
[04:38] <nmorse> yes, I know about alsamixer and alsamixergui and kmix and ...
[04:38] <allyn> lmf can you do it in pastebin?
[04:39] <lmh> ?
[04:39] <Nalioth> snoop_, swf_play takes over my system (i have to kill -9 the multiple instances)
[04:39] <lmh> whats pastebin?
[04:39] <danko123456> http://pastebin.com
[04:39] <JanC> sauli : use sudo
[04:39] <snoop_> Nalioth, swf, that sucks...lots of sites have swf embedded
[04:39] <danko123456> nmorse: did you try unmuting stuff, and muting other stuff in there?
[04:39] <danko123456> and changing levels, and that?
[04:39] <Nalioth> snoop_, there are soem things that are not as dev'd for the PPC as there are for the x86
[04:39] <nmorse> Yeah
[04:40] <snoop_> Nalioth, yeah, its new, but i'll get better...
[04:40] <allyn> lmh where does xchat save downloads, do you know?
[04:40] <danko123456> nmorse: in a little bit, *crimsun* should be here, and he is the resident sound specialist:), so he may know
[04:40] <lmh> desktop?
[04:40] <lmh> don't know
[04:40] <snoop_> Nalioth, *it will
[04:40] <Dethread> allyn, probably in ~/.xchat
[04:40] <allyn> yeah desktop i found it :-)
[04:40] <snoop_> anyone,  a bit of help with wireless?
[04:41] <sauli> how to use sudo
[04:41] <danko123456> sudo command
[04:41] <JanC> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:41] <thoreauputic> allyn: actually  ~/.xchat2
[04:41] <snoop_> i set up ndiswrapper and entered in the password (WPA), but it doesnt work..
[04:42] <Nalioth> snoop_, had to build from source several components of my sound (libfaac, libfaad <<whatever they are called, etc)
[04:42] <JanC> sauli : there is also an explanation why sudo is better on the wiki page
[04:42] <allyn> lmh are the monitors identical?
[04:42] <benplaut> anyone gotten GmailFS to work with ubuntu?
[04:42] <Dethread> snoop_, where did you enter the password?
[04:43] <snoop_> Dethread, in the networking GUI thing..
[04:43] <lmh> allyn: yes, two HP L2035 LCDs, but for one i used the DVI - in, with the other one the VGA - in
[04:43] <Dethread> snoop_, I had a similar problem ... I think it expects the password in hex
[04:43] <snoop_> Dethread, ah..i have it in text..
[04:43] <sauli> that not help me
[04:43] <Dethread> snoop_, I only got it working by enterying it from console via iwconfig
[04:43] <Dethread> snoop_, there you can specify that it's in text
[04:43] <danko123456> sauli: what not help you?
[04:44] <Dethread> snoop_, man iwconfig  <- that'll help
[04:44] <danko123456> sudo command  or..... (21:41:22) JanC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:44] <snoop_> Dethread, can you help me through that? i'm new to linux..
[04:44] <Dethread> snoop_, I can try
[04:44] <snoop_> Dethread, thanks
[04:44] <Dethread> private message me and we'll see
[04:44] <sauli> I just want loggin in my gnome or kde desktop as root uset
[04:44] <JanC> sauli : why not ?
[04:44] <danko123456> sauli, taht can be enabled,. if you really want to.
[04:44] <JanC> sauli : you don't want that
[04:45] <danko123456> sauli, consult http://ubuntuguide.org/#allowrootlogingnome
[04:45] <danko123456> but, as JanC said, you dont really want that, read the wiki.
[04:45] <thoreauputic> sauli: running a desktop as root is a *really* bad idea
[04:45] <sauli> sudo works well in console but how I can loggin my desktop as root
[04:45] <paulproteus> sauli: It's "strongly advised against".
[04:45] <thoreauputic> don't
[04:45] <JanC> why do you want that ?
[04:45] <paulproteus> sauli: If you want to, you can:
[04:45] <paulproteus> sudo passwd root
[04:45] <danko123456> sauli, danko123456 gave you a link to the wlkthrough.
[04:45] <paulproteus> And then edit the gdm config file.
[04:46] <paulproteus> (Right; I'll stop talking, then. :)
[04:46] <danko123456> or that too:-p
[04:46] <allyn> lmh ok i was just noticing that your config in xorg.conf the 2 monitors have different settings for refresh rates
[04:46] <allyn> does either of thm work the way you want it?
[04:46] <lmh> allyn thats because the vga-in has different values to the dvi -in
[04:46] <snoop_> Dethread,  can you join #snoop ?
[04:47] <nmorse> so no one in here has an ali m5475 soundcard in a laptop that doesn't seem to work in Ubuntu?
[04:47] <allyn> oh, them im not sure then, srry havent done dvi only analog
[04:47] <makaveli> real quick question how do i install a compiler because i am getting the error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH when i run ./configure
[04:47] <danko123456> nmorse: I know I do not.
[04:47] <danko123456> crimsun knows sound cards...
[04:47] <allyn> apt-get install gcc
[04:47] <danko123456> he may be here in a little bit.
[04:48] <makaveli> thank you
[04:48] <nmorse> I'll see if I can track him down in ubuntu-motu
[04:49] <thoreauputic> allyn, you should have told hime to install build-esential - gcc by itself isn't enough
[04:49] <dip> when choosing SD memory, what would you guys consider a more reliable brand, kingston or viking ?
[04:49] <poopinaboot> neither
[04:49] <danko123456> viking, for sure...
[04:49] <danko123456> :)
[04:49] <poopinaboot> they all suck
[04:49] <poopinaboot> everything is so bleak
[04:49] <poopinaboot> soemoen kill me
[04:49] <danko123456> ahaha
[04:49] <danko123456> wtf...:)
[04:50] <allyn> oops didnt think about build-essential
[04:50] <Levande1> Anybody know a good IRC channel anywhere that does Windows support?
[04:50] <JanC> Levande1 : not here  :)
[04:50] <Levande1> damn
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Levande1: you won't find one on Freenode :)
[04:51] <Levande1> well can i at least get a  recommendation for another channel then?
[04:51] <Levande1> how about another server?
[04:51] <dip> I found the best deal with those 2 brands for same price but tough time deciding between the 2 brands
[04:51] <foxiness> Levande1, you are on freenode :)
[04:51] <Levande1> i know, but it's fairly easy to connect to another server
[04:51] <poopinaboot> Levande1: google it
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Levande1: is there such a thing as a windows IRC help channel? I've never found one...
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> Levande1, what do you need about windows? lol
[04:51] <poopinaboot> Levande1: we're all geeks in here
[04:51] <Levande1> poopinaboot: gee, thanks for you help poopinaboot, not like i haven't tried that
[04:51] <danko123456> like what support for windows, now?
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> weve all used windows here before prolly...
[04:52] <poopinaboot> Levande1: I do what i can
[04:52] <poopinaboot> strange that my nick is poop though
[04:52] <_nate> there
[04:52] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[04:52] <danko123456> nate dude:)
[04:52] <_nate> sup danko123456
[04:52] <_nate> poopinaboot is my name on wolfenstein
[04:52] <danko123456> hey, uh, Levande1, what is the thing you are trying to get help with?
[04:53] <danko123456> there are sites on the web with walkthroughs...
[04:53] <^thehatsrule^> rtcw:ET _nate?
[04:53] <foxiness> why pepole need xp irc channel 4 ?
[04:53] <IFR_> tritium, if you're still here I have one other question about that linux-686 kernel ?
[04:53] <_nate> ^thehatsrule^: none other
[04:53] <^thehatsrule^> nice!
[04:53] <Levande1> poopinaboot: okay, i've set xp up just to auto-update my computer whenever an update comes out, so I don't have to remember to do it, etc.  However, apparently, in between downloading the update, and installing, the computer nags me that it's already downloaded an update. Do I want to go ahead and install it before it's auto-installed?  How do I get rid of that nag?
[04:53] <^thehatsrule^> come to my chan ;p
[04:53] <danko123456> Levande1: and support.micorsoft.com has a lot of information on Windows, as it would...
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> Levande1: this is #ubuntu last time I checked
[04:54] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[04:54] <Levande1> have no idea why you guys just didn't ignore me if yall didn't want windows chatter, and didn't know the answer to my question anyway?
[04:54] <_nate> Levande1: microsoft ties your hands, good luck finding a resolution
[04:54] <danko123456> Levande1: well, I did not cause I was wondering what can go wrong on windows, personally.
[04:54] <anemiat1> when i start installing kubuntu, will it ask autoatically to se free space? I do not wissh to delete my windows yet?
[04:54] <Levande1> but don't worry about, thanks anyways guys, i'll prolly post something on the arstechnica boards
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Levande1: that sounds like a plan :)
[04:55] <foxiness> Levande1, just reboot
[04:55] <Levande1> anemiat1: do you have free space on your hard drive that isn't partitioned?
[04:55] <anemiat1> yes
[04:55] <danko123456> haha, awesome, foxiness
[04:55] <Levande1> foxiness: that's part of the nagging i want to avoid
[04:55] <jony> hi
[04:55] <danko123456> anemiat1: it will default to erase everything, choose not to.
[04:56] <IFR_> Hmm. OKay, does anyone know if the linux-686 package  it a patch in the sense that it will pick up options I had in the -386, such as radio and encryption options?
[04:56] <jony> how can i make something like chkdsk ????
[04:56] <anemiat1> how do I do that?
[04:56] <anemiat1> press F1?
[04:56] <anemiat1> ??
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> IFR_: if you were just loading modules, yes
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Levande1: when a system is as opaque as windows, these things can be pretty hard to fix
[04:56] <Levande1> anemiat1: make sure you do "manual partitioning" during the ubuntu install.  It will let you tell it to use the unpartitioned space on your hard disk.
[04:56] <foxiness> Levande1, u will do that soon im sure :)
[04:56] <danko123456> it will be one of teh 2 ptions during install.
[04:56] <Levande1> thoreauputic: this is #ubuntu, not #xp, you are off-topic, please take your windows chatter elsewhere please
[04:56] <danko123456> ahha
[04:57] <danko123456> awesome.
[04:57] <foxiness> Levande1, than do not wast ur time do it now
[04:57] <IFR_> Sorry HrdwrBoB I don't quite understand. danko123456 was that for ifr?
[04:57] <danko123456> Every night now...
[04:57] <jony> i want to check a hard disk for errors how can i do this?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Levande1: I hope that was intended as a joke ;)
[04:57] <danko123456> nope IFR_, for the guy with the inhstallation issue.
[04:57] <thread> anybody know why a fresh apache2/php4 install would cause the server to try and send down the php file rather than it's postprocessed output?
[04:57] <IFR_> Sorry HrdwrBoB I don't quite understand. I was hpoing to basically upgrade from 2.10.5-386 to *686
[04:57] <anemiat1> I am confused? Will it give me an option to use unpartitioned (free) space?
[04:57] <danko123456> anemiat1: yes.
[04:57] <Levande1> thoreauputic: no, i was trying to get everybody angry in this room at me so i'd get banned?
[04:57] <anemiat1> ok thanks
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> IFR_: yes, it will work exactly the same
[04:57] <anemiat1> I am going for it
[04:57] <anemiat1> bye
[04:57] <Levande1> maybe my humor's jus off a little today, sorry
[04:58] <danko123456> anemiat1: it will ask do you want to erase everything, you wil say no, and choose where to install.
[04:58] <anemiat1> I see
[04:58] <IFR_> Great, so I needn't specify all the wep and radiop stuff which presently works HrdwrBoB?
[04:58] <anemiat1> and does it install grub or lilo?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Levande1: you'd be surprised how many people do exactly that...
[04:58] <JanC> anemiat1 : grub
[04:58] <anemiat1> ok thanks
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> IFR_: correct
[04:58] <IFR_> Thank you so much
[04:58] <Levande1> anemiat1: not an easy menu option, but you can go into "manual parititioning" and follow fdisk (or whatever it uses) to use the unpartitioned space on your disk
[04:58] <JanC> with an entry for you windows installation
[04:58] <danko123456> your windows boot may be borked, but if it is on the same drive, there are ways to get grub to boot windows once you are insatllesd, and likely it will create that option by itself during install.
[04:59] <foxiness> Levande1, this banned its just for fun
[04:59] <Levande1> anemiat1: it will give you options to install grub or lilo during the ubuntu install
[04:59] <Levande1> thoreauputic: yeah, i know, sorry, shouldn't have made that joke
[05:00] <danko123456> Levande1: your xp...reinstall?, I dont know, I never fix anything in windows when it is broken...
[05:00] <IFR_> Anyone know if there's an ubuntu package for wifi-radar?
[05:00] <Levande1> danko123456: you are now off-topic!
[05:00] <danko123456> IFR_: I know, yes.
[05:00] <danko123456> :))
[05:00] <IFR_> Ah. Can you tell me?
[05:00] <Levande1> IFR_: you apt-cache searched?
[05:00] <IFR_> Yes.
[05:00] <danko123456> IFR_: guy named ivoks that comes here maintains it..
[05:00] <karljp> one more try: anyone got ac3 audio in totem to work?
[05:00] <eob84> I was wondering what I need to set audiosrc to, to get Rythmbox to work in KDE
[05:00] <danko123456> IFR_: or rather, it is not included yet.
[05:00] <danko123456> ioll grab you the deb.
[05:01] <Levande1> IFR_: there's also packages.ubuntu.com you could do a fuller search with (i think it does a fuller search)
[05:01] <danko123456> IFR_: http://master.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/
[05:01] <IFR_> Thanks Levande, I'll have a look! danko123456, that's great - how can I get it from you?
[05:01] <IFR_> Ah!
[05:02] <danko123456> that guy ivoks maintains it, it is likely to get included in ubuntu
[05:02] <danko123456> Ill get you links for the wiki about it.
[05:02] <foxiness> time to go to "ZzzZZzz" c l8r "glad to not to see XP on my dream tonight"
[05:02] <IFR_> Thanks so much for that danko123456!
[05:02] <jony> WHATS THE CHKDSK EQUIVALENT COMMAND??
[05:02] <danko123456> IFR_: at the end of the new packages list, under Ante Kramaric: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages .
[05:02] <jony> plz
[05:02] <danko123456> jony: whts chkdsk?
[05:03] <danko123456> hehe
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> jony: fdisk
[05:03] <danko123456> tht trnd out fnny
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> for all the good it'll do you
[05:03] <thoreauputic> jony: take the gum out from behind your capslock key ...
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> jony: what is your problem
[05:03] <foxiness> HrdwrBoB, do not do that
[05:03] <danko123456> ppl hate asking twice...
[05:03] <bob2> jony: fsck, and a) don't repeat, b) don't use caps
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> foxiness: do not do what, tell people what they asked for?
[05:03] <danko123456> jony: whats chkdsk?
[05:04] <jony> i need something like scandisk and sorry for the caps but it seems the only way to get atention
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> jony: why
[05:04] <karljp> man, i've asked 4 or 5 times, and got neither yelled at or an answer
[05:04] <foxiness> HrdwrBoB, k but not all pepole clever
[05:04] <nmorse> maybe someone can help me with the specific error message from /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[05:04] <karljp> I guess I've been asking the wrong question
[05:04] <bob2> jony: no, it's the way to get ignored.  do not do it again.
[05:04] <danko123456> jony: try reading up on fsck, seems like a real too,
[05:04] <jony> ok i wont
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> foxiness: no, but just knowing the command will do him no good
[05:05] <danko123456> tool
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> karljp: what is your problem?
[05:05] <nmorse> "/etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: save_state:1221: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing'"
[05:05] <karljp> heres 6: anyone got ac3 in totem working?
[05:05] <karljp> it works in xine, but no audio in totem for dvds.
[05:05] <danko123456> jony: man fsck
[05:05] <bob2> karljp: probably if you install totem-xine
[05:05] <karljp> I thought totem used all the gstreamer stuff?
[05:05] <jony> ok i'll research
[05:05] <nmorse> anyone know what that means?
[05:05] <danko123456> do that.
[05:06] <danko123456> did yuo sudo that nmorse?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> karljp: totem is a front end - you can use totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
[05:06] <eob84> does anyone one know why I get this error from rhythmbox "Could not open resource for writing."
[05:06] <sauli> how I can remove all users password I dont neet so much security
[05:06] <karljp> yeah, just saw that from my apt-cache search
[05:06] <danko123456> nmorse: sudo
[05:07] <thoreauputic> sauli: we don't wnt to encourage your ideas, sorry
[05:07] <karljp> I thought gstreamer was "the way"
[05:07] <karljp> is there a gstreamer way to get ac3 working?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> sauli: the default security is there for excellent reasons
[05:07] <karljp> timtowdi, that sort of thing?
[05:07] <danko123456> jony: better question would have been to ask hw to do what you are trying to achieve, maybe...
[05:07] <danko123456> more specific.
[05:07] <lmh> whats the difference between xfree86 and xorg? what does ubuntu take as a standrad?
[05:08] <bob2> karljp: I really doubt gstreamer supports patented codecs
[05:08] <thoreauputic> lmh: 1) not much 2) xorg
[05:08] <danko123456> sauli: ?
[05:08] <danko123456> hehe
[05:08] <bob2> lmh: xfree86 is where X development used to happen.  then they went crazy and changed the licese, so now everyone works on x.org.
[05:08] <bob2> lmh: hoary uses x.org by default
[05:08] <lmh> thanks
[05:08] <thoreauputic> lmh: xfree is pretty much dead
[05:08] <karljp> there's gstreamer-ffmeg, gstreamer-mpeg2dec and co
[05:08] <karljp> I think it does :)
[05:09] <bob2> karljp: not in ubuntu
[05:09] <danko123456> whats ac3, anyhow?
[05:09] <jony> when i use fsck should the device be unmounted?
[05:09] <danko123456> ill google/
[05:09] <bob2> jony: yes
[05:09] <karljp> the format dvd audio normally is in
[05:09] <thoreauputic> jony: yes
[05:09] <jony> thanx
[05:09] <karljp> bob2: correct, but is dvd playing even in ubuntu?
[05:10] <bob2> karljp: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:10] <bob2> karljp: (no)
[05:10] <karljp> didn't think so
[05:10] <bob2> yay for stupid laws
[05:10] <karljp> and no, the restricted format page doesn't say how to make it work in totem
[05:10] <bob2> indeed
[05:10] <karljp> but when I work it out, I'll be updating it :)
[05:10] <bob2> so use totem-xine or something else
[05:11] <karljp> can you give me a one or two sentence summary on the roadmap of xine vs gstreamer?
[05:11] <karljp> I only want to use totem because it's all built in nicely
[05:11] <karljp> and xine and mplayer and vlc aren't
[05:11] <bob2> gstreamer is the way of the future, but laws suck oh so much
[05:11] <daniels> karljp: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/VideoPlaybackRoadmap
[05:11] <daniels> that's not even really even a sentence
[05:11] <karljp> it will do ;)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> karljp: totem-xine looks exactly like totem-gstreamer
[05:12] <karljp> but it's based on xine, not gstreamer.
[05:12] <karljp> and isn't gstreamer, "the way for the future"
[05:12] <danko123456> of...
[05:12] <karljp> they both fit :)
[05:12] <thoreauputic> karljp: it depends on whether you want stuff that works, or want to contribute to the "way of the future" i guess
[05:13] <karljp> I'd like both if possible
[05:13] <karljp> if I wanted stuff that works, I'd still be on windows ;)
[05:13] <danko123456> nope, the future dont work...
[05:13] <karljp> ooh look at the pretty moon
[05:13] <jony> ok wahts the easy way to make a standard chack with fsck ????
[05:13] <karljp> it actually was quite pretty tonight
[05:13] <allyn> spkeaking of totem-gstreamer when i try to install it it wants to remove dvdrip and libvorbis0, anyone know a workaround? rhythm box does the same
[05:13] <jony> i have an external usb device which is giving me hell!
[05:14] <_nate> totem-xine works
[05:14] <danko123456> jony: give it hell right back.
[05:14] <karljp> fsck or chkdsk aren't going to help then jony
[05:14] <_nate> thats what i like about it
[05:14] <danko123456> i like the shiny movies it plays.
[05:14] <danko123456> :-p
[05:14] <jony> karljp, what should i do then???
[05:14] <danko123456> whAT IS the device?
[05:14] <karljp> smash it with a hammer for all I care
[05:15] <danko123456> a key?
[05:15] <karljp> you need to explain your actual problems,
[05:15] <karljp> perhaps let us suggest solutions
[05:15] <sauli> I have not any secret in my computer
[05:15] <danko123456> ive been telling him.
[05:15] <danko123456> sauli, I love you, dude.
[05:16] <danko123456> me neither, but passwords are required, do you wnt a user to automatically sign in when you boot?
[05:16] <jony> karljp, what do you suggest!!
[05:16] <karljp> how would I know, you've not told us what's actually going on.
[05:16] <karljp> "giving me hell" isn't very descriptive
[05:16] <thoreauputic> sauli: would you like someone to take over your computer and use it for spreading evilness? Please don't allow that, it affects everyone
[05:16] <danko123456> jony: what is the device?
[05:16] <sauli> I dont want never use password
[05:16] <danko123456> I dont think you can turn off all passwords.
[05:17] <danko123456> I can tell you hwo to do it in PM.
[05:17] <sauli> I think linux developers have skitsofrenia
[05:17] <danko123456> hehem, there are real threats...
[05:17] <danko123456> and these systems are used for business as well.
[05:17] <thoreauputic> sauli: I think you have much yo learn
[05:17] <thoreauputic> *to
[05:17] <danko123456> yo...
[05:17] <danko123456> :)
[05:18] <thoreauputic> mr_roboto: exactly
[05:18] <nmorse> I think Sauli needs to learn to spell schizophrenia
[05:18] <jony> danko123456, its a usb harddisk. mp3 player by archos
[05:19] <thoreauputic> sauli: an insecure computer doesn't just affect you, it potentially affects others on the Net
[05:19] <danko123456> jony: ok, so you plugged it in, and nothing?
[05:19] <mr_roboto> sauli's computer = just another spambot
[05:20] <darkaudit> sauli: i'm gonna be blunt... there are *many* people waiting to turn your computer against you and the rest of the world if you actually attempt what you're suggesting.  Don't freakin' do it
[05:20] <sauli> yeah now I know passwd -d root
[05:20] <danko123456> darkaudit: man, all you guys worry too much.
[05:20] <danko123456> back up your data finally...
[05:20] <danko123456> anyhow...we cant argue sudo, and taht.
[05:21] <thoreauputic> danko123456: no, we all see what has happened to the net when peole use an insecure OS
[05:21] <danko123456> If I even want to turn my computer into a spambot, my decision.
[05:21] <thoreauputic> danko123456: guess which one?
[05:21] <karljp> right on danko
[05:21] <darkaudit> danko123456: Verizon blocked *Europe* from sending email to it's customers. You better believe I'm gonna worry
[05:21] <danko123456> well, not that I am gonna fo it...or anything.
[05:21] <karljp> and I only stopped because I quit work
[05:21] <danko123456> well, email can be done differently then through an ISP...
[05:22] <danko123456> I never ever used an ISP email address.
[05:22] <danko123456> but, let us not play devils advocate.
[05:22] <mr_roboto> lol    yeah, he uses someone else's open relay
[05:22] <danko123456> sauli: I wrote you an essay in private, so...
[05:22] <mr_roboto> prolly sauli's!
[05:23] <danko123456> mr_roboto: I use gmail, or mailx, if I really need to send an email.
[05:23] <danko123456> darkaudit: do you have an article I could read about that?
[05:23] <sauli> but still I dont can login in kde or gnome as root
[05:23] <karljp> verizon suckz0rs anyway
[05:23] <karljp> this is why RBLs are bad mkay
[05:23] <anethema> anyone here know how to make an iso of a dvd ive got in the drive? dvd playback is really jerky for some reason and i dont know how to fix itg
[05:23] <danko123456> sauli, talk to me in private, they dont wanna tell you anyhow.
[05:23] <thoreauputic> sauli: you've been told
[05:23] <karljp> collateral damage is NOT allowed
[05:23] <sauli> why that is so difficult
[05:23] <danko123456> anethema: how an iso out of a dvd?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> danko123456: don't encourage him. please
[05:24] <karljp> sauli: ignore them.  if you want to run your machine as root, with x, you should be allowed to
[05:24] <danko123456> I use su, thore, is that so bad, am I bad now?
[05:24] <sauli> before I have fedora and not this problem
[05:24] <anethema> yes i just want to make a iso then mount it
[05:24] <karljp> you don't seem them crucifying people running people running windows as admin
[05:24] <nmorse> passwd root is your friend
[05:24] <anethema> so i can play from the hard drive and it wont be jerky
[05:24] <danko123456> I mean, if this is the right way, everyone will do it eventually anyhow, just as with gstreamer.
[05:24] <JanC> darkaudit : most spam comes from the US, so that would be stupid from Verizon...
[05:24] <thoreauputic> karljp: of course he has that freedom: but it's irresponsible use of freedom
[05:24] <darkaudit> http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,66226,00.html
[05:24] <danko123456> thanks
[05:24] <karljp> who are you to decide freedom thoreau?
[05:25] <sauli> how to allowed root use x
[05:25] <sauli> kde or gnome
[05:25] <karljp> it's freedom remember?
[05:25] <darkaudit> JanC: you're tellin' me... ppl on the Verizon USENET boards are *pissed*
[05:25] <stormy73034> u can log in to gnome via root in ubuntu
[05:25] <JanC> you talking about usenet spam ?
[05:25] <darkaudit> and there's not one story about this... there are *hundreds*
[05:25] <mr_roboto> karljp: when your irresponsible use of your freedoms results in 50% of all mail being spam, and DoS attacks being more and more common, well... it's not just YOU any more
[05:26] <thoreauputic> karljp: I don't decide it: but I am entitled to judge, just as you are. The idea that one should refrain from using judgment is equally absurd
[05:26] <karljp> 50% of all mail being spam comes from spammers
[05:26] <allyn> anethema how fast is our computer?
[05:26] <karljp> not from someone wanting to not type passwords all day
[05:26] <karljp> please don't confuse the two
[05:26] <darkaudit> JanC: no... Verizon customers on USENET griping about the email blocking
[05:26] <danko123456> darkaudit: wtf, januar 2005,,,still????
[05:26] <darkaudit> still
[05:26] <anethema> 3200
[05:26] <anethema> 3200+ amd
[05:26] <anethema> athlon xp
[05:27] <JanC> there are some ISPs that are not responsible about spamming
[05:27] <allyn> ok, i encoded a dvd today using dvdrip on my XP2600
[05:27] <JanC> just block them
[05:27] <thoreauputic> karljp: you seem blissfully unaware of hoe spammers use people's insecure computers to do their work
[05:27] <allyn> took a few hours but the dvd went down to 700mb
[05:27] <karljp> janc: I respecfully disagree
[05:27] <tritium> anethema \n how \n are \n you \n doing \n today \n ?
[05:27] <karljp> but a lot of people believe that the collateral damage approach of RBL stuff is ok
[05:27] <IcemanV9> anethema: hdparm will fix it; http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom
[05:27] <mr_roboto> karljp: also, the script kiddies love to find yet another computer to add to their zombie list
[05:27] <JanC> it would be stupid to block every country that has 1 spammer
[05:27] <anethema> haha yes..ill try that IcemanV9
[05:28] <danko123456> darkaudit: no...:/
[05:28] <brad_> Anyone else here using a prosavage card and get it workin in anything higher than 1024x768?
[05:28] <JanC> because you would have to block every IP-address then
[05:28] <karljp> thoreau + roboto: you've both just admitted the problem is with other people, not people not wanting passwords on their machine
[05:28] <karljp> you do at least admit that you can be running a machine behind a nat?
[05:28] <danko123456> Well, maybe it is an attack on the verizon servers...or something, it is only a one company, and I have heard of theories that internet can only take so much spyware, and spam and that.
[05:28] <thoreauputic> karljp: why give those people easy access to machines that aren't theirs?
[05:29] <mr_roboto> karljp: of course it's other people... but you're just a freaking idiot to leave your door unlocked if you live in a bad part of town
[05:29] <bitsmash> hello
[05:29] <karljp> I could have no passwords on this machine at all, and it wouldn't matter unless you got through the other machines in front of it
[05:29] <mr_roboto> the internet is a bad part of town :)
[05:29] <bitsmash> i downloaded 5.04 before it was release
[05:29] <bitsmash> released
[05:29] <karljp> then you didn't get 5.04
[05:29] <karljp> get it again
[05:29] <darkaudit> danko123456: no... it's stated policy from Verizon... as far as Europe is concerned, they've gone to a whitelist. You have to request a domain be unblocked... everything else is SOL
[05:29] <bitsmash> ok thanks ill take your word for it
[05:30] <karljp> thoreau, not having passwords != easy access to your machine from other people
[05:30] <thoreauputic> karljp: rubbish - he just needs to dist-upgrade
[05:30] <karljp> depends what his problem is :)
[05:30] <bitsmash> thoreauputic: ok thanks ill take your word for it?
[05:30] <danko123456> darkaudit: I happen to know, and issues get sorted, I work for an ISP...
[05:30] <bitsmash> heh
[05:30] <karljp> do you want to install it from the cd and be done?
[05:30] <karljp> or do you just want to install something that will work?
[05:30] <karljp> whatyo uhave will probably work for the later
[05:30] <karljp> latter too.
[05:30] <thoreauputic> karljp: you are assuming a level of sophistication I doubt exists for such as sauli
[05:30] <karljp> perhaps :)
[05:31] <bitsmash> ill just get the 5.04
[05:31] <darkaudit> yoi... time for bed...
[05:31] <karljp> but I still defend his right to want to do it :)
[05:31] <danko123456> thoreauputic: you know what I hate...is ppl abusing stuff like that, I wish everyone was fair, and then wireless would be more available everywhere...
[05:31] <AndyFitz> hey does anyone know of a tool to do  multi-lined find and replace actions in plain text ?
[05:31] <karljp> I'm not a criminal, of course I'll register my dna an dfinger prints
[05:31] <karljp> it's called sed
[05:31] <karljp> or perl -ie
[05:32] <karljp> danko: where do you live?
[05:32] <mr_roboto> danko: but if you're intentionally insecure, you're an enabler for those who abuse the system... you make it worse overall
[05:32] <bitsmash> is this it? ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[05:32] <karljp> and the wireless where I live now is free for anyone else too.
[05:32] <IcemanV9> bitsmash: yep
[05:32] <karljp> the only reason I've seen people doing any form of wireless security is because they pay for bandwidth
[05:33] <danko123456> karljp: canada:)
[05:33] <bitsmash> is there a free winblows downloader thingy?
[05:33] <mr_roboto> karljp: well... another reason is you do NOT want to have isp logs of kiddie porn downloads through your access point from the pervs on the street :)
[05:33] <de_wizze> whats the diff between having the prerelease and upgrading the distro, and a fresh install with the final release
[05:34] <danko123456> AndyFitz: got that?
[05:34] <bitsmash> de_wizze: yes let me know
[05:34] <danko123456> AndyFitz: do you use gnome?
[05:35] <brad_> what does apt-get -t do?
[05:35] <AndyFitz> danko123456:  of course
[05:35] <danko123456> de_wizze: hopefully not much...
[05:35] <danko123456> AndyFitz: so, did you try gedit?
[05:35] <danko123456> it has a replace all function.
[05:36] <danko123456> mr_roboto: agreed.
[05:36] <JanC> brad : man apt-get
[05:36] <AndyFitz> danko123456,  normally I use gedit.  this time I need to do it to a batch of files
[05:37] <anethema> kick ass the dma thing worked
[05:37] <danko123456> there is a Unix command even.
[05:37] <brad_> thank you JanC
[05:37] <anethema> thanks IcemanV9
[05:39] <JanC> brad_ : 'man' shows you the manual of most programs
[05:39] <JanC> always try that if you need help with a program
[05:39] <karljp> bitsmash, shouldn't be any difference
[05:40] <stuNNed> is it common if a gtk2 program locks up it might come back to life after about 5 minutes?
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> I wish I could understand why Spatial is more efficient than Browser
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> or so some people think
[05:42] <NinjaYeti> I can't find any good wireless configuration utilities or scripts. The gnome network one doesn't work for me, and just times out.
[05:43] <NinjaYeti> any ideas?
[05:43] <danko123456> stuNNed: yup, I use those all the time, a good thing to make the time pass by is tetris...:)
[05:43] <danko123456> jj
[05:43] <thechitowncubs> ninja: what exactly are you trying to do
[05:43] <snoop_> anyone. can someone help me with a wireless card?
[05:44] <bitsmash> there must be a faq about having a prerelease
[05:44] <stuNNed> danko123456: lol
[05:45] <stuNNed> anyone use sylpheed?
[05:45] <NinjaYeti> well, i've got a couple of wireless cards that i know will work in linux... one of which i could never get into monitor mode
[05:45] <NinjaYeti> but just something to set up a connection would be nice for now
[05:45] <danko123456> snoop_: what make and modekl is it, and then give me exactly 25 minutes at least.
[05:45] <NinjaYeti> i'll figure out the kismet stuff later
[05:45] <kakalto> is the marillat repos working now?
[05:46] <danko123456> kakalto: did you try them?
[05:46] <snoop_> danko123456, its a linksys wireless g card  wmp54g
[05:46] <danko123456> k
[05:46] <kakalto> danko123456, not yet...
[05:47] <snoop_> danko123456, will you be around tommorow ? i really have to get going soon...
[05:47] <danko123456> what type of card is it snoop_?
[05:48] <snoop_> danko123456, type?
[05:48] <danko123456> I do not kno much about it, I am just wodering...pcmcia...
[05:48] <snoop_> danko123456, pci
[05:48] <bitsmash> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrading
[05:48] <danko123456> k, see ya soon.
[05:48] <snoop_> danko123456, desktop computer..
[05:48] <danko123456> k
[05:48] <lmh> hi all, have a radeon 9550 card (r3xx), configured with xinerama with radeon driver.
[05:48] <lmh> now i tried dri, but it does not work since the radeon driver doesn't support dri on that card.
[05:48] <lmh> somebody told me to ask you if the ati driver supports mergedFB
[05:48] <TwoBitSprite> yay, I just installed ubuntu :)
[05:49] <Dethread> danko123456, snoop's card it's actually detected and set up as wlan0 I believe...he just can't connect to his network
[05:49] <kakalto> what's a gui for transcode?
[05:49] <snoop_> Dethread, thanks
[05:49] <IcemanV9> bitsmash: get over it. either install prerelease and update OR d/l a release one and install. simple is that.
[05:50] <TwoBitSprite> unfortunately, I can't seem to connect to my windows shared drives... dmesg tells me: "smb_fill_super: missing data argument"
[05:50] <danko123456> Dethread: has all the right settings in tehrem dhcp and that? power cycled everything? modem, then router, then computer?
[05:51] <Dethread> danko123456, haven't powercycled the router, I believe the settings are correct too, first suspected his WEP key to be the problem but it was being used correctly and it still didn't work after turning it off in the router, thus using no key
[05:52] <Dethread> danko123456, MAC filtering is not being used either
[05:52] <danko123456> Dethread: you have to power cycle, at least...
[05:52] <TwoBitSprite> anyone have any idea why I can't mount smb drives?
[05:52] <danko123456> but, maybe has nothing to do with that...
[05:52] <Dethread> snoop_, hear that? :)
[05:52] <TwoBitSprite> dmesg tells me: "smb_fill_super: missing data argument"
[05:52] <danko123456> but power cyclking is a big thing, although it should not be too much for the wireless.
[05:53] <snoop_> Dethread, hmm?
[05:53] <snoop_> Dethread, powercycling?
[05:53] <Dethread> snoop_, turn router off and back on, i.e. pull the plug :)
[05:53] <snoop_> Dethread, ok
[05:53] <snoop_> Dethread, be right back..
[05:54] <Dethread> danko123456, in the network config tool, he doesn't see his network in the dropdown list either....even though it's broadcasting essid
[05:55] <snoop_> Dethread, ok
[05:55] <snoop_> danko123456, ok...done
[05:55] <amonkey> can i get ooo2 base from synaptic? i don't see it as a package
[05:56] <danko123456> snoop_: everything, down modem, then router, then dcomputer.
[05:56] <danko123456> turn on modem, wait a litlle, and the router, then comptuer.
[05:56] <ryman> my ubuntu keep freezing when I try to log out
[05:56] <danko123456> but, try that when you are about to leave, as you are now...
[05:56] <snoop_> danko123456, wow....what?
[05:56] <JDahl> amonkey, openoffice.org2, I believe
[05:57] <snoop_> danko123456, shut everthing down ?
[05:58] <snoop_> danko123456, shutting down everything now.....be back in a while
[05:58] <amonkey> but not the package for "base" the access-esque part