[00:00] <RAOF> Jordan_U: Got a read-only $HOME?
[00:00] <Jordan_U> RAOF: No
[00:01] <RAOF> Sure? :)  Lucid's been resuming with a readonly home for me on occasion ;)
[00:01] <RAOF> ...and a read-only home is one trigger of that behaviour that I know.
[00:02] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Yes, I have been working with files in $HOME without problems
[00:02] <fullermd> Check ~/.bzr.log, make sure it's owned by you.
[00:03] <Jordan_U> fullermd: Ahh, it's owned by root
[00:03] <Jordan_U> Probably from trying to use etckeeper with bzr
[00:04]  * Jordan_U Thinks etckeeper in Ubuntu should not default to using bzr untill bzr can properly deal with being run with sudo
[00:05] <Jordan_U> fullermd: That fixed it, thank you
[00:50] <Noldorin> hi
[00:50] <Noldorin> i'm trying to install bzr-git on windows
[00:50] <Noldorin> but am having no luck
[00:50] <Noldorin> bzr plugins does not list it.
[01:11] <Supertanker> Is there any reason I should not access a bzr branch stored on my Samba drive?
[01:12] <bob2> do you have filenames with : in them or mixed caase?
[01:13] <Supertanker> Shouldn't be for the first; for my projects, I use all lowercase names
[01:13] <Supertanker> Er wait no.
[01:13] <Supertanker> I don't use all lowrcase names
[01:13] <Supertanker> But the Samba share is hosted on a Liknux box and I don't have files with the same names but different cases in the same directory
[01:13] <Supertanker> (I do jhave a login.php in one directory and Login.php in another...)
[01:46] <Supertanker> Yay, bzr for windows finally downloaded
[01:58] <Noldorin> hi
[01:58] <Noldorin> i'm trying to use bzr dpush to push to a GIT repo, but am having the following problem:
[01:58] <Noldorin> C:\Users\Alex\Documents\Visual Studio 2010\Projects\IRC.NET\devel>bzr dpush git+
[01:58] <Noldorin><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:58] <Noldorin> bzr: ERROR: [Error 2] The system cannot find the file specified
[03:10] <Noldorin> hi
[03:11] <Noldorin> i'm trying to dpush using bzr-git
[03:11] <Noldorin> getting the following error though:
[03:11] <Noldorin>  http://pastebin.com/m78e07c36
[03:34] <fullermd> As a guess, version mismatch.
[03:35] <fullermd> That's a reasonably recent bzr-git, and a several version back bzr.
[05:15] <GuyFromHell> anyone on gentoo know where olive-gtk is hiding?
[05:16] <Supertanker> What is this "treeless branches" feature I keep reading about, and why is it important?
[05:18] <fullermd> I dunno what you keep reading about, but a branch may or may not have a tree, depending on...  well, whether it has a tree.
[05:18] <mneptok> GuyFromHell: https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr-gentoo-overlay/
[05:19] <mneptok> GuyFromHell: bzr-gtk is part of that overlay
[05:19] <GuyFromHell> mneptok, oo, shiny. I could not find it anywhere
[05:19] <GuyFromHell> thank you
[05:19] <mneptok> np np
[05:27] <Supertanker> fullermd, what exactly is "tree" referring to?
[05:29] <fullermd> The working tree, where you edit and read and touch and caress-by-the-fireside your files.
[05:29] <Supertanker> Ah, okay
[05:31]  * SamB_XP can't help but remember something about some windows pack-in called "wang" ...
[05:31] <fullermd> If you have a branch with a [colocated] tree, you can get rid of the tree with 'bzr remove-tree', and you can get it back with 'bzr checkout'
[05:32] <fullermd> (and some args to reconfigure also, I believe)
[08:31] <pattern> i just did a "bzr add myfile", but then noticed that i'd misspelled the filename
[08:31] <pattern> i haven't committed yet, so is there some way to "unadd" the file?
[08:31] <fullermd> Well, if you handed it a filename that doesn't exist, it shouldn't have done anything...
[08:32] <pattern> it does exist
[08:32] <pattern> but there's a misspelling in the filename
[08:32] <pattern> so i need to rename the filename
[08:32] <pattern> and "unadd" it from bzr, then add it again with the right name
[08:32] <pattern> then commit
[08:32] <pattern> i just don't know how to "unadd" it
[08:32] <fullermd> Why unadd/readd, instead of just 'bzr mv'ing?
[08:32] <fullermd> Anyway, you'd use 'rm' to unadd.
[08:33] <pattern> i tried rm and it complained about not being able to safely remove the file
[08:33]  * fullermd stabbies the !@&$ DWIM crap in there.
[08:33] <fullermd> rm --keep
[08:33] <fullermd> (and then add a bzr alias for it so it stops trying to outsmart you ever afreakingain  :p)
[08:34] <pattern> thanks, fullermd
[11:46] <Noldorin> hello
[11:47] <Noldorin> i'm trying to use bzr-git to push a bzr branch to a git repo
[11:47] <Noldorin> however, i'm geting some horrible errors...
[11:47] <Noldorin> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AttributeError: 'InterRepository' object has no attribute
[11:47] <Noldorin>  'fetch_objects'
[11:47] <Noldorin> the full log is here: http://pastebin.com/m78e07c36
[11:48] <bob2> are you using dulwich,bzr-git and bzr trunk?
[11:48] <Noldorin> bob2: indeed i am
[11:48] <Noldorin> i believe everything is installed correctly, though i had some trouble yesterday...
[11:49] <fullermd> Not on the latter you aren't.
[11:49] <fullermd> bzr 1.17 on python 2.5.2 (win32)
[11:49] <Noldorin> oh, that's true
[11:49] <Noldorin> odd
[11:49] <Noldorin> i'm sure i had bzr 2.0 installed
[11:50] <bob2> you may well need actual bzr bzr
[11:52] <Noldorin> bob2: how do you mean?
[11:52] <bob2> as in bzr trunk
[11:52] <Noldorin> ah right
[11:53] <Noldorin> hmm
[11:53] <Noldorin> brb, restarting
[12:15] <jelmer> fullermd: What's the status of DWIM?
[12:15] <fullermd> vila landed it a few weeks ago.
[14:08] <maxb> Is there anything along the lines of architecture documentation for Bazaar? e.g. anything that helps understanding the internals?
[14:30] <jml> maxb, maybe in the HACKING guide or in the developer doc section
[14:31] <jml> maxb, in the tree, that is.
[14:31] <jml> maxb, I've mostly got a sense of things from looking at commands in bzrlib/builtins.py and drilling down.
[16:32] <SabreWolfy> Using Ubuntu Karmic and trying to install bzr-explorer, but conflicts with qbzr version preventing this; latest qbzr version in Karmic is 0.14; bzr-explorer needs 0.17
[16:39] <SabreWolfy> any suggestions ?
[16:43] <SabreWolfy> Adding QBZR PPA solved
[16:52] <Noldorin> hi
[16:52] <Noldorin> i hqave bzr 2.0 installed
[16:52] <Noldorin> but for some reason, when i run bzr from the command line, it uses version 1.17
[16:52] <Noldorin> looks like i have bzr 1.17 in my path somewhere, but i can't figure out where :S
[17:04] <Noldorin> anyone?
[17:08] <verterok> Noldorin: 'bzr version' should show the path to the executable and bzrlib
[17:08] <Noldorin> hmm ok
[17:08] <verterok> Noldorin: ops, only the bzrlib path
[17:09] <Noldorin> verterok: c:\Python25\lib\site-packages\bzrlib
[17:09] <Noldorin> yeah
[17:10] <Noldorin> surely i want the one on program files though?
[17:10] <Noldorin> if i do...
[17:10] <Noldorin> "C:\Program Files\Bazaar\bzr.exe" version
[17:10] <Noldorin> i get v 2.0.3
[17:11]  * Noldorin gets out procmon
[17:13] <verterok> Noldorin: check in c:\Python25\Scripts
[17:13] <Noldorin> ok
[17:13]  * verterok goes to the grocery store, brb
[17:13] <Noldorin> verterok: seems to be a bzr in there
[17:13] <Noldorin> should i remove it?
[17:14] <Noldorin> ah, removing it does the trick :)
[17:14] <Noldorin> thanks
[17:17] <Noldorin> not bzr says it can't find dulwich :S
[17:17] <Noldorin> yet it's in the python path
[17:44] <verterok> Noldorin: if you'r using the standalone bzr.exe I think you need to install plugins in a different place as bzr.exe use it's own python interepreter
[17:44] <Noldorin> verterok: yeah, so it seems
[17:45] <Noldorin> any idea what i need to do with dulwich?
[17:45] <Noldorin> since i want the bzr binary to use it
[17:45] <Noldorin> well, bzr-git actually
[17:51] <Noldorin> verterok: i've pasted the git and dulwich folders into C:\Program Files\Bazaar\plugins
[17:51] <Noldorin> but it's not recognising dulwich still
[17:51] <Noldorin> No module named dulwich.errors
[17:51] <Noldorin> Unable to load plugin u'dulwich' from u'C:/Program Files/Bazaar/plugins'
[17:51] <Noldorin> bzr: ERROR: Unable to import library "dulwich": bzr-git: Please install dulwich,
[17:51] <Noldorin>  https://launchpad.net/dulwich
[17:52] <fullermd> dulwich isn't a bzr plugin, it's a python module/library/whatevertheycallit.
[17:53] <fullermd> I don't think you can use such things with the prebuilt bzr.exe; you'd have to use the python version.
[17:53] <Noldorin> fullermd: yeah, that's what i was thinking
[17:53] <fullermd> (Or I could be full of bullcaca; I don't really know windows)
[17:53] <Noldorin> was wondering why bzr-git was looking for it in plugins there
[17:53] <Noldorin> heh
[17:53] <Noldorin> fullermd: i think you may well be rigtht - i may need the python version
[17:54] <Noldorin> fullermd: hrm, can't i just edit the PYTHONPATH for bzr.exe somehow?
[17:54] <Noldorin> http://osdir.com/ml/bazaar/2009-11/msg00361.html
[17:55] <fullermd> I'm not sure you can; bzr.exe bundles it all up internally.
[17:55] <Noldorin> hrm
[17:57] <Noldorin> fullermd: so you recommend i just set up the python version of bzr 2.0, etc.? will it happily coexist along side the exe version?
[17:57] <fullermd> I have no idea.  It's been 13 years since I had a system running Windows.
[17:57] <Noldorin> hah ok
[17:58] <fullermd> I'd tend to think having both would be sticky.
[17:58] <fullermd> But it may not be.  I'm well into "guessing" territory there.
[17:59] <Noldorin> mm, as am i
[18:00] <Noldorin> fullermd: if i only have either in my PATH, then things might be ok
[18:01] <Noldorin> brb
[18:11] <Guest46284> hi. Is there a way of finding out what "bzr update" will do without actually running it
[18:58] <Noldorin> hello. do i need the python installation of bzr to run bzr-git/dullwich?
[19:46] <maxb> Is Bundle Buggy genuinely still alive, or does HACKING.txt lie?
[20:00] <pattern> i have a question regarding how best to do something with bzr...
[20:01] <pattern> it's a little long, though... so rather than flooding the channel, i've pasted the question here:  http://paste.pocoo.org/show/161426/
[20:07] <gutworth> pattern: you can just commit specific files
[20:08] <gutworth> or use a makefile which will only rebuild things if there is a change
[20:08] <gutworth> or make an ignored file where you list files to ignore
[20:09] <pattern> well, i could use a makefile that ignores files that aren't changed... however, LaTeX will still read them all to create the new pdf... so it doesn't really help
[20:11] <pattern> the only way to have those files not read by LaTeX is either to comment out the code that includes them, or to delete that code
[20:11] <gutworth> commit specific files then
[20:12] <pattern> i do commit each individual file in bzr
[20:12] <pattern> but the problem is more with the files that have the code that includes the individual files
[20:13] <pattern> they're like #include directives in c
[20:13] <pattern> and i have those lines commented out while i'm working
[20:14] <pattern> each of those include directives is just \include{foo}, where "foo" is the filename
[20:14] <pattern> so it's not like the file that has these include directives actually contains the whole file it's "including"
[20:14] <pattern> it's just a direction to the compiler to include the file
[20:15] <pattern> the contents of those files are completely seperate from the file they're included in
[20:15] <pattern> and both the file that's doing the inclusion and the included file are seperately versioned in bzr
[20:16] <gutworth> well, that's tricky
[20:16] <pattern> yep :)
[20:16] <gutworth> there must be some way to avoid rebuilding deps if they're not changed
[20:16] <pattern> that's why i come to the experts :)
[20:18] <pattern> i'm pretty sure there's no way to avoid rebuilding the files that haven't changed other than either commenting out or deleting the include directives
[20:21] <pattern> actually.. there might be another way
[20:22] <pattern> i think LaTeX has some control flow commands, which i haven't been using yet
[20:22] <pattern> but i should look in to them
[20:22] <pattern> that way it could maybe skip a part of the file if a variable is set
[20:22] <pattern> that would be idea
[20:22] <pattern> ideal
[20:23] <pattern> then the variable could be set from the makefile
[20:23] <pattern> and make could be told to set this variable from the command line
[20:23] <pattern> that would be perfect
[20:25] <pattern> hmm... but now that i think about it... it might not solve the problem after all
[20:26] <pattern> as, say i bracketed off files 1-95 as being compiled or not depending on a variable... and check that version of the include file in while i worked on files 95-100
[20:27] <pattern> at some point i'll want to bracket off files 1-100 while i work on files 100-105 instead
[20:27] <pattern> and that will entail rewriting the code in the include file
[20:28] <pattern> unless maybe i think of some way to reduce the granularity such that i can somehow include each individual file or not, from the command line
[20:28] <Noldorin> hi. do i need the python installation of bzr to get bzr-git/dulwich to work on windows?
[20:28] <pattern> anyway... this gives me some leads...
[20:28] <pattern> thanks for your help, gutworth!
[20:29] <Noldorin> getting the following error at present: http://pastebin.com/m3a6a2e4e
[21:13] <maxb> How alive/dead is the BundleBuggy project now that bzr itself no longer uses it?
[21:15] <Noldorin> >	hi. do i need the python installation of bzr to get bzr-git/dulwich to work on windows?
[22:04] <Noldorin> bob2: ping?
[22:04] <bob2> I don't have an answer
[22:04] <bob2> I was just wondering if you'd asked on the list
[22:05] <bob2> lots of people are on holidays atm so might not see discussion on irc
[22:05] <Noldorin> yeah, good point
[22:06] <Noldorin> probably worth a shot
[22:06] <Noldorin> bob2: it's a pain to set some of this beta stuff up when you don't know much about python (as i don't)...
[22:06] <Noldorin> it seems it's just dulwich that's causing the problem
[22:06] <Noldorin> i want bzr.exe to recognise it in the path
[22:07] <Noldorin> hrm
[22:13] <pattern> gutworth: i finally figured out a solution for my problem... what i'll do is keep all the include directives uncommented in files A and B, and then have my makefile run them through a filter that will comment out what i need and save the output under a new name, say A2 and B2
[22:13] <pattern> A and B will be versioned, but A2 and B2 will not
[22:13] <pattern> and A2 and B2 will be the files that latex uses to compile
[22:14] <pattern> of course, what the script run by the makefile comments out will depend on what options i pass to make on the command line


[14:12] <wastrel> Is there a way to manage unity config from the command line?  Specifically I'd like to toggle launcher autohide off and on.
[14:24] <popey> wastrel, gsettings set com.canonical.Unity2d.Launcher hide-mode 1
[14:24] <popey> er, hang on, thats the wrong key :)
[14:24] <wastrel> you're the wrong key
[14:24] <wastrel> ok :]
[14:24] <popey> but you get the idea.. you can get the keys from dconf
[14:24] <wastrel> oki
[14:25] <wastrel> any settings i could tweak to improve performance?
[14:25] <wastrel> general slowishness
[14:33] <Mirv> wastrel: depends on which bug you're hitting
[14:34] <Mirv> nvidia binary driver has the bottleneck of Xsync performance
[14:35] <Mirv> I'm not sure what was the workaround for that? otherwise, one can see the two workarounds at bug #1024304 - where workaround 2 is what is aimed to be default anyway
[14:36] <Mirv> and yeah if Unity is the problem, maybe disabling active blur in ccsm / Unity settings would be beneficial depending on the hardware
[14:37] <wastrel> i have integrated graphics it's just a sad thing, no nvidia
[14:38] <wastrel> so i found gsettings get org.gnome.gedit.preferences.ui side-panel-visible
[14:38] <wastrel> but toggling it between true and false seems to have no effect
[14:39] <wastrel> Mirv: thanks, disabled blur and fade
[14:45] <amithkk> Hey
[14:45] <amithkk> didrocks: You there?
[14:51] <didrocks> hey amithkk
[14:51] <amithkk> We need some help with tests :P
[14:52] <didrocks> amithkk: see on #ubuntu-desktop
[14:52] <didrocks> :)
[14:52] <didrocks> fine that 3 people are pinging me, but please, just try to get one ping
[20:26] <tgm4883> I'm trying to open a preview from inside a preview. While I can get the dash to stay open, I can't get it to refresh the screen with the second preview information. Can someone take a look at this (specifically line 318) and verify I'm doing this right/wrong and offer some pointers  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/unity-scope-mythtv/view/head:/src/unity-scope-mythtv-test


[11:32] <neil__> bit cautious
[11:32] <gnomefreak> neil__: take over?
[11:33] <velko> vivia, http://cse.ucdavis.edu/users/sbeards/blog/pinning-software-packages-in-ubuntu
[11:33] <Cam> okay
[11:33] <gnomefreak> mozilla needs a player it will use the payer you have to play it
[11:33] <neil__> well, the windows one installs loads of services and other rubbish
[11:33] <gnomefreak> neil__: no
[11:33] <Rex_> wiikki, sorry? I am not sure what you are referring to when you say "here???"
[11:33] <gnomefreak> just realplayer
[11:33] <neil__> kk
[11:33] <neil__> ty
[11:33] <paul201> partion /dev/hda/1  filesystem ntfs size 38.33 gig used 23.25 unused 15.08  flags boot
[11:33] <Jump86> is it made by the same company? real player?
[11:34] <Jump86> or is like real alternative
[11:34] <wiikki> Rex_ do you have problems with your wireless ? in ubuntu ?
[11:34] <Jump86> because the actual real player is a pile of crap
[11:34] <vivia> velko: thanx a lot, but my problem is only with the current version of the packages, i do want to install the next version once it's out but the current one turned out to be buggy for me...
[11:34] <gnomefreak> Jump86: yes
[11:34] <malcome> does anyone here know of a good program to make gnome themes?
[11:34] <riaal> what is needed to get a radeon x800gto card to work, done it before but forgot... restricted modules and some other apt.. anyone remember?
[11:34] <neil__> gnomefreak: so, installed that
[11:34] <riaal> ita an ATI
[11:34] <neil__> but firefox doesnt seem to know it exists
[11:34] <Rex_> wiikki, yes... I can get it going, but I must reconfigure the net options after every reboot.
[11:34] <velko> vivia, and pressing F in aptidude does not do the trick?
[11:34] <neil__> just see a grey area where the video should be
[11:35] <Pelo> paul201,  in the graphic just below the tool bar,  how muich space is shows as unallocated ?
[11:35] <ripzaw> ARRRGGGG damn shift+backspace sucks the dick....
[11:35] <gnomefreak> neil__: restart firefox assuming you use dpkg -i realplayer....
[11:35] <ripzaw> Cam you still there?
[11:35] <velko> vivia, try pressing = in aptitude
[11:35] <Cam> yes
[11:35] <LjL> !language | ripzaw
[11:35] <ubotu> ripzaw: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:35] <Cam> dude I put you on my buddylist
[11:35] <gnomefreak> ripzaw: watch your langauge please
[11:35] <paul201> 7.84 Mib
[11:35] <ripzaw> Cam: can you email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:35] <Cam> yes
[11:35] <neil__> gnomefreak: I just opened it in nautilus and let the package manager run
[11:35] <bruenig> !pinning | vivia
[11:35] <malcome> i not the best of computer people but i donwloaded some cursers that dont work, in wrong format, how do i put theminto corrext format
[11:35] <ubotu> vivia: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[11:35] <PriceChild> Cam, ripzaw probably best you don't put your emails in public
[11:36] <neil__> gnomefreak: Still no show
[11:36] <gnomefreak> neil__: install it and restart firefox
[11:36] <neil__> gnomefreak: I have :)
[11:36] <gnomefreak> neil__: apt-cache policy realplayer
[11:36] <ripzaw> is it possible to disable Shift+Backspace?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> what version is it showing?
[11:37] <Knifa> the ubuntu alternative installer appears to have frozen while installing "ttf-thai-tlwg" is there any way to skip it?
[11:37] <malcome> anyone recomend me a good linux theme maker
[11:37] <neil__> gnomefreak: Installed: 10.0.7-0.0
[11:37] <PriceChild> ripzaw, xgl?
[11:37] <Pelo> paul201,  in the gparted menu ,  select  partition,  new ,  use all available
[11:37] <ripzaw> PriceChild.... Yup xgl
[11:37] <gnomefreak> neil__: and you restarted firefox and when to the first page of that site?
[11:37] <Pelo> and paul201  use my nick when replying to me , it makes it easier to follow
[11:37] <gnomefreak> neil__: start http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_6530000/newsid_6534000?redirect=6534097.stm&news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1
[11:38] <paul201> what should i create it as?
[11:38] <neil__> gnomefreak: How do you mean the first page?
[11:38] <PriceChild> ripzaw, first result for "shift backspace xgl" on google gives the correct answer....
[11:38] <PriceChild> ripzaw, xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace"
[11:38] <gnomefreak> neil__: open the link i just gave you
[11:38] <neil__> yeah
[11:39] <neil__> gnomefreak: done
[11:39] <gnomefreak> neil__: did you run the set up?
[11:39] <gnomefreak> its playing here just fine
[11:39] <malcome> hey anyone who has spare time i would recomend a virtual of dsl runs briliantly
[11:39] <Pelo> paul201,   primary,  ext3  , but it doens,T realy matter, it will get reformated when you install,  we just want to make sure it is usable
[11:39] <paul201> okay
[11:39] <Pelo> paul201,
[11:39] <ripzaw> DrWho_ : did you get my message?
[11:39] <martin_> am I the only one who got my xorg toasted after the latest feisty upgrade?
[11:39] <neil__> gnomefreak: Oh no, i feel stupid, didnt know it had a setup :)
[11:39] <neil__> Ill do that now..
[11:39] <Cam> How do I connect 3 computers to one printer..all are on a router...all with 6.10?????? PLEASE HELP!
[11:39] <maikol> Rex_: sorry, wasnt paying attention. reading now
[11:39] <malcome> no happened to me
[11:39] <paul201> pelo okay am doing
[11:40] <gnomefreak> neil__: when you go to the link i gave you it should pop up
[11:40] <Pelo> paul201,  thank you
[11:40] <martin_> malcome: what did you do to fix it?
[11:40] <vivia> ok thanx, pressing F inside aptitude worked perfectly, although aptitude forbid-version didn't work. thanx :)
[11:40] <paul201> now do i just do the installer?
[11:40] <malcome> havent been ableto yet still trying
[11:40] <malcome> soz
[11:40] <Pelo> paul201,  not yet,  in the gparted menu,  select edit, apply,   and use my nick when you talk to me please
[11:41] <PriceChild> martin_, #ubuntu+1 for feisty
[11:41] <paul201> pelo okay sry
[11:41] <martin_> malcome: have you tried to reconfigure xorg with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:41] <maikol> Rex_: eth1 is your wireless connection>
[11:41] <martin_> oh, sorry
[11:41] <maikol> Rex_: >
[11:41] <malcome> no will try
[11:41] <paul201> pelo okay done
[11:41] <Rex_> maikol, yes.
[11:41] <malcome> with the earlyer kde 4 update did anyoen get the real thing or is it just root files and main programs?
[11:41] <waxyfresh> when synaptic says its going to remove several packages i didint select,is it really going to do this?someone told me it would just delete the refrences to those packages
[11:41] <Pelo> paul201,  proceed to the install when ask just select that partition,  let the installaition overwrite it
[11:42] <paul201> pelo okay thx
[11:42] <Pelo> paul201,  let  me know how it works out
[11:42] <neil__> gnomefreak: still not working :(
[11:42] <gnomefreak> malcome: the kde4 in repos is not a real kde4 set up it has some apps for 4 that you have to run in terminal
[11:42] <gnomefreak> neil__: close firefox
[11:42] <neil__> Ive restarted firefox
[11:43] <gnomefreak> neil__: apt-cache policy helix-player
[11:43] <Apollo101>  i made a backup of ext3 by a version not stably supporting ext3. (norton ghost 7). i wasnt aware of that. any way , i have now purchased v10 that supports ext3. it says, while i restore that image made by v7 that journals are not present. and when i restored it. booted. it said. failed to pen journal devis unknown block 0.0. mounting failed. /bin/sh cant access tty job control found .. i have the .gho file (backup file) i can browse the .gho backup fi
[11:43] <malcome> gnomefreak- oh thnx i thoguht it wasnt due out yet
[11:43] <neil__> gnomefreak: Not installed
[11:43] <maikol> Rex_: when you use it staticly you must specify the dns servers
[11:43] <neil__> Do I need to add that?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> neil__: good now close firefox
[11:43] <gnomefreak> neil__: no
[11:43] <neil__> gnomefreak: ok.. done
[11:44] <malcome> from add/remove programs add galeon it is really good
[11:44] <gnomefreak> neil__: now open this link in firefox http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_6530000/newsid_6534000?redirect=6534097.stm&news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1
[11:44] <Pelo> afk
[11:44] <Rex_> maikol... ok. do you know the bin that I 'man' to get info on configuring? ie: what the varibles are for the config?
[11:44] <malcome> simple and has good base to it
[11:44] <Caio> hi!
[11:44] <neil__> gnomefreak: it doesnt work :)
[11:44] <gnomefreak> neil__: and sit there and wait
[11:44] <maikol> Rex_: man interfaces
[11:44] <velko> Apollo101, i don't know if you can browse the norton images. but you can recreate the journal on the restored file system
[11:44] <gnomefreak> may take up to 3minutes or so
[11:44] <neil__> gnomefreak: ok ):
[11:45] <Pelo> bk
[11:45] <malcome> anyone recomend and linux desktop environments
[11:45] <waxyfresh> when synaptic says its going to remove several packages i didint select,is it really going to do this?someone told me it would just delete the refrences to those packages
[11:45] <maikol> malcome: depends on what you want
[11:45] <gnomefreak> neil__: i did the same exact thing i told you to do and it works here. are you on 64bit?
[11:45] <ripzaw> Does anyone know anything close to Mirc for Linux?
[11:45] <neil__> gnomefreak: nope, 32
[11:45] <velko> Apollo101, sudo tune2fs -j /your/device
[11:45] <gnomefreak> ripzaw: xchat
[11:45] <waxyfresh> malcome, what are you looking for in a desktop?
[11:45] <malcome> gnomefreak- just got some spare time so any
[11:45] <conn> hi, does anyone know if there's an env variable for freetype that lets you specify a custom .fonts.conf file?
[11:45] <maikol> Rex_: is there a reason you want it static or can it be dhcp
[11:45] <malcome> i already have openbox sawfish etc.
[11:46] <gnomefreak> malcome: you mean maikol ?
[11:46] <velko> Apollo101, the partition should _not_ be mounted
[11:46] <beg1689> hi, i have a .c and .h source file, and i need to compile it into a kernel module (.ko) is there a simple way to do that?
[11:46] <neil__> gnomefreak: fails in konqueror too...
[11:46] <Apollo101> velko how can i recreate the journal. (what is journal any way)?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> neil__: edgy?
[11:46] <malcome> yh
[11:46] <maikol> malcome: you can try fluxbox
[11:46] <velko> Apollo101, or you can mount the partition as ext2 instead of ext3. the only difference is the journal
[11:46] <Apollo101> velko it doesnt mounts any
[11:46] <malcome> oh i have that i like it alot
[11:46] <maikol> malcome: me too
[11:46] <neil__> gnomefreak: yup
[11:46] <velko> Apollo101, as ext2?
[11:47] <wiikki> If i have ubuntu can i remove the gnome desktop and install fluxbox ?
[11:47] <bruenig> wiikki, yes
[11:47] <Cam> Someone please help me!!! I need to set up 3 computers with 6.10 to one PRINTER through a router.
[11:47] <Apollo101> velko its not even mountin my other fat nfts
[11:47] <waxyfresh> does fluxbox or any  other desktop support transparency? what does xubuntu use for a desktop?
[11:47] <malcome> u have to install fluxbox first
[11:47] <Apollo101> velko iam very new to linux.
[11:47] <malcome> fluxbox doesnt i dont htink
[11:47] <velko> Apollo101, fat and ntfs are not relevant
[11:47] <foxiness> coz am here i have general qusition about filckr its ask me to ""merge your Flickr and Yahoo! accounts together" its must to do or optional ?
[11:47] <billy> don't play with m80's kids.
[11:47] <wiikki> bruenig and is the same if i install ubuntu server and install the fluxbox desktop ???
[11:47] <briancron> Cam have you installed it on the main computer yet?
[11:47] <velko> Apollo101, you have a working linux install, right?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> neil__: ok i think i know the issue. please file a bug on it and assign it to me
[11:47] <bruenig> wiikki, not exactly the same
[11:47] <maikol> malcome: you can use a .xinitrc file and make your own custom setup like i have on my laptop
[11:47] <Cam> all computers have ubuntu
[11:47] <wiikki> bruenig whay not?
[11:47] <briancron> the printer that is...
[11:47] <malcome> wow
[11:48] <Cam> installed what???
[11:48] <malcome> brb
[11:48] <Cam> I guess not
[11:48] <bruenig> wiikki, you would have to remove everything from ubuntu-desktop
[11:48] <wiikki> bruenig the problems is that i can't configurate my wireless in ubuntu server and doing it in ubuntu normal, yes, because has a graphical mode to do it
[11:48] <wiikki> bruenig ok?? how?
[11:48] <briancron> install the printer on the computer you will directly print from
[11:48] <Apollo101> velko i had. not now
[11:48] <malcome> bk- is xlg anygood as i am downloading it
[11:48] <Cam> yes
[11:48] <velko> Apollo101, what do you have now?
[11:48] <maikol> Rex_: did that help any
[11:48] <briancron> Then you can use CUPS to print to it from the others really easily
[11:48] <Cam> ALl can print to it
[11:48] <Apollo101> velko windows. but i can reinstall linux by cd
[11:49] <Apollo101> velko what you want me to do
[11:49] <Cam> how do I configure cups?? I already use it to print
[11:49] <waxyfresh> whats a desktop enviroment that does support transparancy?
[11:49] <neil__> gnomefreak: ok :)
[11:49] <neil__> just as a note:
[11:49] <neil__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods?action=show&redirect=RealPlayerInstallationMethods
[11:49] <malcome> kde?
[11:49] <waxyfresh> when synaptic says its going to remove several packages i didint select,is it really going to do this?
[11:49] <malcome> xfce?
[11:49] <slicslak> what's the default app for playing sounds with?  i need the name to run it from the terminal.
[11:49] <neil__> Troubleshooting RealPlayer for Linux
[11:49] <neil__> RealPlayer and Firefox 2
[11:49] <jose__> hello friends
[11:49] <neil__> tells you to click the real file formats, and reassign them
[11:49] <velko> Apollo101, i'm trying to get the facts first. i still don't understand what you have done and what do you have on your computer
[11:49] <neil__> however I dont have any real audio formats listed there :)
[11:49] <briancron> go to the other computers and add the printer using http://192.168.2.??:631 and it should find the printer and print to it
[11:49] <maikol> waxyfresh: its the window manager that supports transparency or not
[11:49] <eternaljoy> how can I remove Grub from bootsectors pls?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> hence the patch is missing
[11:49] <jose__> why i can not a super user in the ubuntu
[11:50] <jose__> :)
[11:50] <jose__> ?
[11:50] <malcome> oh- i am installing vmware 6 workstation but near the end it says networking failed anyone know a way to fix
[11:50] <velko> Apollo101, a short and precise description would be very helpful
[11:50] <briancron> Cam; but first you have to open the printer and click on the global settings and allow sharing
[11:50] <PriceChild> !sudo > jose__ (see the pm from ubotu)
[11:50] <gnomefreak> neil__: it was fixed in feisty and iirc i built it for edgy for personal use
[11:50] <waxyfresh> maikol, oops i meant to say window manager,so any idea?
[11:50] <Cam> open the printer how?
[11:50] <Cam> literally open the printer??
[11:50] <Cam> noo
[11:50] <beg1689> How can i compile a kernel module from a single .c file?
[11:50] <beg1689> please
[11:50] <briancron> Cam: Settings > Admin > Printers
[11:50] <malcome> i finding this language quite hard i am only just keepin up- i am 12:P
[11:50] <maikol> waxyfresh: for true transparency you need a compositing window manager: xfwm4, compiz, beryl
[11:50] <jugo> A good alternative to VMware is Qemu.
[11:51] <Cam> ok thanks braincron you lead me in the direction!!!! THANKS
[11:51] <beg1689> no you dont
[11:51] <foxiness> jose__: to keep u safe :) and stable not just super
[11:51] <beg1689> transset and xcompmgr provide transparency and fading in any wm
[11:51] <gnomefreak> neil__: changingg it from totem to realplayer shouldnt help you just fyi
[11:51] <briancron> Cam: actually... Settings > Administration > Printers... then click on Global Settings and allow sharing
[11:51] <maikol> transset is slow
[11:51] <malcome> anyone have probs with gaim lately
[11:51] <PriceChild> beg1689, xcompmgr is a compositing manager
[11:51] <Apollo101> velko or  can i install a new linux. but use the settings and configs and app of the backuped linux installation.(since i can browse the image file.  copy .kde and replace it to the new installed os.  any ideas?)
[11:51] <neil__> gnomefreak: thats what I though, but no real formats are listed. About:plugins does show it as loaded though, very odd
[11:51] <beg1689> you said window manager
[11:51] <beg1689> he*
[11:51] <neil__> are you gnomefreak on launchpad?
[11:51] <waxyfresh> maikol, beryl/compiz dosent work on my hardware,so would xfwm4?wait is that what xubuntu uses?
[11:52] <foxiness> malcome: what kind of ...?
[11:52] <PriceChild> beg1689, "for true transparency you need a compositing window manager: xfwm4, compiz, beryl"
[11:52] <bruenig> wiikki, well I know a way to remove it all but, then you would be left with nothing
[11:52] <jugo> Malcome: I have not, although it has recently been renamed Pidgin, so I could see maybe a few dev problems.
[11:52] <gnomefreak> neil__: iirc edgy firefox is same as any other firefox it opens player depending on media
[11:52] <shawn34> waxyfresh, #ubuntu-effects
[11:52] <eternaljoy> how can I remove Grub from bootsectors pls?
[11:52] <gnomefreak> neil__: yes
[11:52] <foxiness> neil__: yes :)
[11:52] <bruenig> wiikki, including no X
[11:52] <PriceChild> beg1689, meh... its a grey area
[11:52] <malcome> oh it just doesnt let gmail work
[11:52] <beg1689> fine i guess your right... so do you know how to compil a kernel module? :-P
[11:52] <Pelo> eternaljoy,  ask in #grub
[11:52] <jugo> Thats odd.
[11:52] <malcome> says error in server but i checked and it is correct
[11:52] <velko> Apollo101, if you have read access to the files in the backup you shurely can do clean install and copy the /home directory from your backup
[11:53] <gnomefreak> neil__: you can try it but im not betting on it to work
[11:53] <waxyfresh> when synaptic says its going to remove several packages i didint select,is it really going to do this?
[11:53] <bruenig> waxyfresh, what packages
[11:53] <foxiness> malcome: gmail ?? google-talk or mail service ?
[11:53] <malcome> yes- it gets rid of things that wont be needed
[11:53] <jugo> Malcome: Make sure you go through the guide and make sure you have all the port numbers right and the right settings.
[11:53] <neil__> gnomefreak: try what? :)
[11:53] <wiikki> bruenig no wireless drivers neother?
[11:53] <malcome> google talk
[11:53] <malcome> jugo- willl od
[11:53] <Pelo> waxyfresh,  depends on what packages it is saying, some are just bogus packages for installation purposes, like ubuntu-desktop ,  you're fine removing that
[11:53] <bruenig> wiikki, do this: acsh ubuntu-desktop | grep Depends | sed -e 's/, /\n/g' -e 's/Depends: //' (this will show everything that you will be removing)
[11:53] <gnomefreak> neil__: naming realplayer as default app
[11:54] <malcome> omg my head hurts from all techno talk
[11:54] <neil__> thats my point, I cant
[11:54] <waxyfresh> bruenig, theres a ton too many to list
[11:54] <Pelo> malcome,  just read the stuff adressed to you
[11:54] <neil__> no real formats are listed in the manage window on firefox
[11:54] <gnomefreak> neil__: the first part of realplayer problems
[11:54] <bruenig> wiikki, sorry, that has my alias in there, do this: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop | grep Depends | sed -e 's/, /\n/g' -e 's/Depends: //'
[11:54] <malcome> ok
[11:54] <KI4UTX> Would anyone be able to assist me with an install problem?
[11:54] <Apollo101> velko- if i copy the /home folder to the new installation. from the backup. i will the .kde folder and all settings and all apps installed in the backup to   the new installed linux ?
[11:54] <neil__> ah :D
[11:54] <jose__> foxiness: i know what is su and sudo but it hasn't asked me to su password during the installation
[11:54] <gnomefreak> neil__: this part of guide Troubleshooting RealPlayer for Linux
[11:54] <jose__> thats whay when i write su
[11:54] <malcome> ki4utx ok
[11:54] <jose__> it is not accepting my password
[11:55] <Pelo> KI4UTX,  just state the prroblem
[11:55] <gnomefreak> jose__: use sudo
[11:55] <paul201> hey pelo u still there/
[11:55] <jose__> also same
[11:55] <velko> Apollo101, not the apps. you have to install them as usual. but your settings
[11:55] <foxiness> malcome now am online with google-talk
[11:55] <ripzaw> Hey Cam you there?
[11:55] <Pelo> paul201,  yes
[11:55] <malcome> k
[11:55] <jose__> gnomefreak:i'm trying to chmod command but
[11:55] <jose__> it's not working
[11:55] <neil__> gnomefreak: so shall I still report a bug and assign it to you? Im confused now :D
[11:55] <paul201> Pelo its on the installtion part where it has to do the partition part and its been there for 20 minutes
[11:55] <khaladan> how can i get a list of all installed packages??
[11:55] <malcome> any one got tilda?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> jose__: when you installed ubuntu it asked for user name and password that is your sudo password
[11:56] <foxiness> jose__: sudo chmod
[11:56] <[1] qbert> hey qbert you here
[11:56] <gnomefreak> neil__: yes
[11:56] <Pelo> paul201,  did you select the partition ?
[11:56] <bruenig> khaladan, dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall
[11:56] <velko> khaladan, dpkg --get-selections
[11:56] <gnomefreak> jose__: sudo -i
[11:56] <paul201> peolo yes
[11:56] <ripzaw> anyone use photoshop on ubuntu
[11:56] <foxiness> jose__: then do what gnomefreak ....
[11:56] <ripzaw> ?
[11:56] <KI4UTX> I'm new to ubuntu and am trying to install feisty since dapper would not install but am encountering the same problem... I get past the splash screen hear a start sound and everything halts.  I have a black screen but am able to ctrl-alt-fkey to other ttys
[11:56] <gnomefreak> does that give you a # terminal
[11:56] <malcome> i do
[11:56] <malcome> use photoshop
[11:56] <malcome> soz i gotta go
[11:56] <jose__> ok but i tried without -i
[11:56] <gnomefreak> foxiness: it maybe hes using sudo wrong
[11:56] <bruenig> KI4UTX, feisty support in #ubuntu+1
[11:56] <Stapol> ad
[11:56] <mikebeecham> Can anyone tell me how I can cause Windows to boot up automatically instead of Linux when I switch my PC on?  I really want to use Ubuntu, but my family use windows more than me.  I want to be able to set up my boot-up sequence, so that I get my choice screen when I switch the computer on, but if I leave the timer to run down it boots up windows, and not Linux?
[11:56] <Pelo> paul201,  did you select the option with the least amount of choice,  ie no manual repartitionning and stuff like that ?
[11:56] <Stapol> DAMNIT
[11:56] <gnomefreak> was right
[11:56] <jose__> ok hawever thanks a lot
[11:57] <Stapol> WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN TO ME
[11:57] <waxyfresh> bruenig, its alot of python stuff it wants to remove
[11:57] <KI4UTX> oops thought I was over there... I get the same results on dapper though
[11:57] <bruenig> mikebeecham, gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.list and scroll down and cut and paste the entire windows entry above the linux entry
[11:57] <KI4UTX> I'm dual booting with vista and replacing an existing Suse install
[11:57] <paul201> pelo i selected resize ide1 master partition 1 (hda) and use free space
[11:57] <Pelo> paul201,  that was the problem
[11:58] <bruenig> waxyfresh, it will remove whatever is no longer necessary, if it says it is going to remove something, it will
[11:58] <xgermx> @import url(chrome://chatzilla/skin/output-dark.css);
[11:58] <xgermx> .msg {
[11:58] <xgermx>   font-size: larger !important;
[11:58] <xgermx> }
[11:58] <xgermx> sorry
[11:58] <gnomefreak> bruenig: its menu.lst ;)
[11:58] <bruenig> I swear I saw that I had menu.list and then backspaced, then I must have put it again
[11:58] <waxyfresh> bruenig, why does it sometimes want to remove important stuff,like GDM?
[11:58] <mikebeecham> bruenig: My menu.list is empty?
[11:59] <Pelo> paul201,  you should have had the option to select between your  "big" windows partition and your "small"  ext3 partition,  I don'T know what is going on at the moment but I hope you are not overwriting your windows install
[11:59] <gnomefreak> mikebeecham: menu.lst
[11:59] <bruenig> mikebeecham, close that and change it to menu.lst in that command
[11:59] <gnomefreak> waxyfresh: what are you removing and why?
[11:59] <foxiness> waxyfresh: beta ? alpha?
[11:59] <hotti> hello, is the ipod-hal (automounting ipod nano) fix in feisty beta?
[11:59] <paul201> pelo no im not ( i think) but i only have the hda1 partition or editing partion tables and erasing hda1
[12:00] <gnomefreak> hotti: #ubuntu+1 for feisty
[12:00] <Pelo> paul201, hold on , phone
[12:00] <eternaljoy> is there a way to create a bootable DVD that copies and  loads the MBR and bootsectors to the DVD, so I can then boot Ubuntu from my HD by using the DVD?
[12:00] <mikebeecham> thanks guys...I'll try that now


[09:13] <mup> PR operator#1085 opened: Ops class <Created by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1085>


[09:06] <kim0> Howdy folks ... is UEC not installable from the USB installer ? Can someone please answer http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588564
[11:47] <kim0> One more cloud question in the forums, metadata not working: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1589799
[11:47] <kim0> Your answers are appreciated :D
[14:11] <daker> hey kim0
[14:27] <kim0> daker: hey
[14:28] <daker> what's up ?
[14:32] <kim0> daker: IS is working to deploy the portal. Although I think they can't make it before 10.10, a few days later should still be ok though
[14:32] <daker> kim0: ok


[15:00] <bobweaver> pnig tgm4883  have you seen this ? http://www.nfl.com/videos/the-shame-report/0ap2000000084476/The-Shame-Report-Week-7
[15:00] <bobweaver> I rotflol at the part about DVR
[15:02] <bobweaver> Glad I am not on the plane (UDS) is not on Sunday, I would rip that kids head off then his parents for raising a spoiler .
[15:06] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I didn't see it.  Cliff notes?
[15:10] <bobweaver> So he is praising DVR and says that the devil makes smart phones. He was at a game(OAK vs JAK) and had used DVR at home for the PIT game. But on his flight back there was a kid on the plane. That said "steelers win twenty-"blah blah blah.  I just thought that it was a nice place to see dvr things
[15:12] <bobweaver> because the kid was using smart phone to look at scores. And he wants to watch dvr of game after flight. Suggestion: make phone interface for Ubuntu TV so you can watch TV. But Chrooted envo that are also using open vnc are one not safe and two. Can not play videos that well
[15:14] <bobweaver> esp. at airports
[15:14] <tgm4883> no need to make do VNC, just share the files somehow
[15:14] <tgm4883> but yea, airport wifi is terrible
[15:14] <bobweaver> to get to interface vnc is used with Ubuntu Phone
[15:14] <bobweaver> ?
[15:14] <tgm4883> and also, you'll need to transcode the videos on the fly
[15:15] <bobweaver> chroot armel then vnc to get gui ?
[15:15] <tgm4883> bobweaver, why do you need to VNC home from your phone to watch your shows?
[15:15] <bobweaver> talking about DVR
[15:15] <bobweaver> NO
[15:15] <bobweaver> Ok so the only way that I know how to install Ubuntu onto phoines goes like this
[15:15] <bobweaver> Root the phone
[15:16] <bobweaver> usb storage on
[15:16] <bobweaver> add armel IMG and add vnc or ssh
[15:16] <bobweaver> both
[15:16] <bobweaver> then chroot the armel Ubutnu
[15:17] <bobweaver> then VNC to local host(phone) to get interface of Ubuntu
[15:17] <bobweaver> then you have Ubuntu tv/ all of it
[15:17] <bobweaver> Only works *tested* for me Unity2d
[15:17] <tgm4883> well lets not talk about getting Ubuntu on a phone ATM, lets either pretend you have a Ubuntu on the phone already or you have a Ubuntu TV app for android
[15:18] <bobweaver> then you are golden you can connect to myth
[15:18] <tgm4883> exactly
[15:18] <bobweaver> then you are spoiler that is what my suggestion was
[15:18] <tgm4883> :)
[15:18] <bobweaver> can myth DL to cache ?
[15:19] <bobweaver> Like computer to computer ?
[15:19] <tgm4883> well it would be the frontend (android app) that would need to have the caching built in
[15:19] <bobweaver> call backend >> cache or save to phone frontend
[15:19] <tgm4883> from the backend perspective, it's just sending a file to whatever asked for it
[15:19] <bobweaver> so that way no  Network or "plained networking "
[15:20] <tgm4883> plained networking?
[15:20] <bobweaver> like a cron job thta works with calender
[15:21] <tgm4883> so on the cron job, it would upload the file to the remote frontend so it could playback off the network?
[15:21] <bobweaver> like I am at office and I do X and Phone does nothing. I am going to plain some thing on a calender that says get these movies for flight home. Or shows
[15:22] <bobweaver> well not cron job But something to do with a calender schedule
[15:22] <tgm4883> bobweaver, again, that sound more like functionality that would be in the android app
[15:22] <bobweaver> Or built into Unity
[15:23] <tgm4883> well yea, any of the frontends
[15:24] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  will you teach me more about securing Myth at UDS ?
[15:25] <tgm4883> heh, securing myth.  hmm
[15:25] <tgm4883> There isn't a ton to securing mythtv. Just stick it inside your network. If you want to access it remotely you should use an SSH tunnel
[15:26] <tgm4883> There is barely more to securing mythweb, which you can just do a basic apache password on
[15:26] <tgm4883> Security in Mythtv has traditionally been "if you're on the local network, you're already trusted"
[15:27] <tgm4883> thus the need for an ssh tunnel
[15:27] <bobweaver> scp to copy files. What about things like opening myth up to *New* Interface that listen with anon proxy
[15:27] <bobweaver> let me explain
[15:27] <tgm4883> rhpot1991 could probably talk more about that
[15:27] <tgm4883> if he's around
[15:27] <rhpot1991> I am, let me read backlog
[15:27] <tgm4883> he's on the team that built the MythTV android app
[15:27] <tgm4883> which can stream remotely
[15:29] <bobweaver> ah cool rhpot1991  if you have the time. How does app listen to backend? this is first time hearing about this for me.
[15:29]  * bobweaver is looking for source
[15:29] <rhpot1991> bobweaver: it uses the service APIS
[15:29] <rhpot1991> bobweaver: one second
[15:29] <tgm4883> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mythtv&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsIm9yZy5teXRodHYiXQ..
[15:29] <bobweaver> so you are still calling a api with Ip
[15:29] <tgm4883> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mythtv&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsIm9yZy5teXRodHYiXQ..
[15:30] <bobweaver> you set with user ?
[15:30] <rhpot1991> https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Android-Frontend
[15:30] <tgm4883> https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Android-Frontend/wiki/Access-MythTV-Master-Backend-via-SSH
[15:30] <rhpot1991> bobweaver: yep via IP, you can set a home and away profile
[15:30] <tgm4883> bammo, how to set it up
[15:30] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, hostname would work as well right?
[15:30] <rhpot1991> yep
[15:30]  * tgm4883 hasn't setup the remote access
[15:30] <rhpot1991> use something like dyndns
[15:30] <rhpot1991> ssh tunnel is the secure way to do it
[15:31] <rhpot1991> or you can open up port 6544 directly
[15:31] <rhpot1991> but there is no security on that
[15:32] <bobweaver> Cool this is java
[15:32] <rhpot1991> yep
[15:32] <rhpot1991> so its a frontend android app, and then a java library to do the service api calls
[15:33] <rhpot1991> currently runs on tablets and phones, google tv interface is in the works
[15:33] <bobweaver> rhpot1991,  you will be at UDS ?
[15:33] <rhpot1991> nope :(
[15:33] <bobweaver> dan g
[15:34] <rhpot1991> one of these times I'll go
[15:34] <rhpot1991> generally doesn't work well with work
[15:35] <rhpot1991> as far as offline viewing, it cannot do that currently
[15:35] <rhpot1991> we have the idea of a playlist feature developing now, something like that could be an option there
[15:35] <rhpot1991> bobweaver: I wrote mythexport which will transcode mythtv recordings into a mobile format and then provide a rss feed for them
[15:36] <bobweaver> that is cool
[15:37] <bobweaver> I was thinking of making google calender plugin for qml then use that to run jobs for dl to a tmp dir
[15:37] <bobweaver> Just a idea though no code for it .. yet ;)
[15:38] <bobweaver> But this is real real cool stuff right here. Great job
[15:42] <rhpot1991> mythexport was designed around your plane idea
[15:42] <rhpot1991> I had a friend who wanted to watch recordings on his ipod while flying
[15:42] <rhpot1991> it has since been ignored in favor of the android app
[15:43] <rhpot1991> and the fact that I no longer use iDevices
[15:43] <rhpot1991> but it should help or point you in a direction if you wanted to go that sort of rout
[15:45] <bobweaver> I see that it prints out xml
[15:45] <bobweaver> that is very useful
[15:52] <rhpot1991> bobweaver: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Services_API
[15:52] <bobweaver> Just seems like whatever I do I am going to have to open up my backend to the public. If I want to use myth from devices. this is where security comes in. I do not think that have that under control
[15:52] <bobweaver> yeah that is how I made qml program for myth tv
[15:52] <bobweaver> well in Unity 2d in the dash
[15:54] <bobweaver> for the schedual and using tgm4883  scope and also calling TVDB and also TMDB and not services
[15:54] <rhpot1991> bobweaver: ya so the best way to do that is to ssh tunnel
[15:54] <rhpot1991> so your remote devices acts as if it is on the local network
[15:54] <rhpot1991> https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Android-Frontend/wiki/Access-MythTV-Master-Backend-via-SSH
[15:54] <rhpot1991> is how you'd do it in android
[15:56] <bobweaver> thanks, here is a testing thingy that I was working on. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1302864/
[15:56] <bobweaver> just like reading the services and printing to screen
[15:56] <bobweaver> useless atm but not for long
[15:57] <bobweaver> there are some global vars that I Must take care of
[15:57] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I rewrote the mythtv scope last weekend. It's still alpha, but works again and also cleaned up quite a bit
[15:58] <bobweaver> Calender, I will javascript to get time, ip: I will use tgm4883  file and read from that
[15:58] <bobweaver> aka ~/.mythtv-scope-location.conf
[16:09] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  that is for 12.10 ?
[16:09] <tgm4883> yea
[16:10] <bobweaver> I will test it brb have to boot up 12.10
[16:29] <bobweaver> Ok so testing results, first thing I noticed is that it is not launching on its own so I launched it (could be unity cache) , after getting it running. tv shows still do not show up in previews(Ones from DVR), Side note: Things that are TV shows that one may have moved over to backend via dvd, are not showing up in previews, But are there and fan art is working for view one of the dash(aka not previews)  Here is a paste of the log http://
[16:29] <bobweaver> paste.ubuntu.com/1302937/
[16:31] <tgm4883> bobweaver, is your backend 0.25 or 0.26?
[16:31] <bobweaver> Second testing results: 'player' is not loading, It is loading in browser on click to open movie from dash (view one) testing view 2 : same deal also blah button :)
[16:31] <bobweaver> let me check I think that it is 25
[16:33] <bobweaver> 0.25.3
[16:35] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  you tested on 25 or 26 ?
[16:35] <tgm4883> 0.26
[16:36] <bobweaver> Ok I will install 0.26 thanks
[16:36] <tgm4883> that is why you are getting the timestamp error
[16:36] <tgm4883> which I'll want to fix
[16:36] <tgm4883> because 0.26 changes to UTC time in the db
[16:36] <bobweaver> I see
[16:37] <bobweaver> and that is also player thingy too I see in log
[16:37] <bobweaver> Failed to parse release_date since it was not in format: YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SSZ
[16:37] <bobweaver> Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:37] <bobweaver>   File "./unity-scope-mythtv", line 243, in play_video
[16:37] <bobweaver>     return self.on_activate_uri (action, uri)
[16:37] <bobweaver>   File "./unity-scope-mythtv", line 247, in on_activate_uri
[16:37] <bobweaver>     if not self.player == "/usr/bin/mythavtest":
[16:37] <bobweaver> AttributeError: Daemon instance has no attribute 'player'
[16:42] <tgm4883> bobweaver, ok, just fixed that
[16:42] <tgm4883> it's hardcoded to use VLC right now, so you'll need that installed for playback
[16:43] <bobweaver> cool
[16:43] <bobweaver> I can not seem to find 26 for 11.10 so I think I am going to have to compile
[16:45] <tgm4883> bobweaver, sec, let me fix that as well
[16:46] <tgm4883> bobweaver, ok, should work with 0.25 now
[16:46] <tgm4883> revision 49
[16:46] <bobweaver> Ok testing
[17:03] <bobweaver> still no deals, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1303050/
[17:12] <bobweaver> I am un-sure why it is launching it in browser . I tried to start link ( via vlc ) that is posted in browser but there was a error. Link is http://paste.ubuntu.com/1303085/ wonder if this has to do with the adds ? I mean shooping lens
[17:14] <bobweaver> nope
[17:19] <bobweaver> Seems like lens-meta://MOVIElens-meta://10543lens-meta://NULLlens-meta://NULL  is not suppose to be there
[17:23] <bobweaver> maybe line 79 needs to strip the meta info ?  GLib.spawn_async([str(self.player), playuri])
[17:25] <bobweaver> Oh I think I see because playuri = uri.split('lens-meta://')[0]   is jamming up against the exstion to the video
[17:25] <bobweaver> extension *
[17:34] <bobweaver> That is it
[17:57] <bobweaver> How to add to the uri in python ?  like      foo = uri.add(.avi)
[17:58] <tgm4883> bobweaver, sorry, had a SAN causing me some trouble at work
[17:58] <tgm4883> bobweaver, so what are you trying to di
[17:58] <tgm4883> do*
[17:58] <bobweaver> or can I add three to this ?   that is fine this is fun !
[17:58] <bobweaver> so 2 options
[17:58] <bobweaver> ('.avilens-meta://')[0]
[17:59] <bobweaver> can I use 3 or 4 to move four steps up the string ?
[17:59] <bobweaver> ('.avilens-meta://')[4]
[17:59] <bobweaver> let me paste what I am testing for avi
[17:59] <tgm4883> whats with the .avi part
[18:00] <bobweaver> Oh I think I see because playuri = uri.split('lens-meta://')[0]   is jamming up against the extension to the video
[18:01] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1303189/
[18:01] <bobweaver> some reason gnome is not running "Player" from deamon
[18:01] <bobweaver> I think
[18:02] <tgm4883> so if you look at line 111, you can see it create that string with lens-meta://
[18:03] <tgm4883> something odd is  happening, as http://<IP_ADDRESS>:6544/Content/GetFile?StorageGroup=Videos&FileName=rented/Beverly%20Hills%20Cop%201/Beverly%20Hills%20Cop%201.avilens-meta://MOVIElens-meta://10857lens-meta://NULLlens-meta://NULL
[18:03] <tgm4883> isn't valid
[18:04] <tgm4883> actually, no, that looks ok
[18:04] <bobweaver> yeah there "Jamming up "
[18:04] <bobweaver> so playuri is not working
[18:04] <tgm4883> but this def isn't valid
[18:04] <tgm4883> playuri = uri.split('.avilens-meta://MOVIElens-meta://10543lens-meta://NULLlens-meta://NULL')[0]
[18:04] <bobweaver> yeah that is me learning python :)
[18:05] <tgm4883>  so on that code you added, can you put a 'print uri' before your
[18:05] <tgm4883> 'playuri = ...'
[18:05] <bobweaver> it works for only one movie but I do not know wild card for python
[18:05] <bobweaver> so I am testing on only avi and only one movie
[18:06] <bobweaver> sure  I can do that and that is how I debuged
[18:07] <bobweaver> so        self.player = '/usr/bin/vlc'           not working so I made into var     it is the exstention's that I am having trouble with. It now launchs vlc but can not get string right due to exstention
[18:08] <bobweaver> extension *
[18:12] <tgm4883> bobweaver, ok, do this. On the code you posted. replace line 2 with
[18:12] <tgm4883> playuri = uri.split('lens-meta://')
[18:12] <tgm4883> print  playuri
[18:13] <tgm4883> then run that and see what it prints out
[18:15] <bobweaver> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:6544/Content/GetFile?StorageGroup=Videos&FileName=purchased/21 Jump Street/21 Jump Street.avilens-meta://MOVIElens-meta://10543lens-meta://NULLlens-meta://NULL
[18:15] <bobweaver> eet.avilens-meta:    << need to remove that or put space at line 111 ?
[18:16] <tgm4883> bobweaver, from what you posted here http://paste.ubuntu.com/1303189/
[18:16] <tgm4883> just commend out line 2, and add the two things I posted above
[18:16] <tgm4883> it should print out a list of the items
[18:17] <tgm4883> not sure why it isn't working for you, if I just make a simple python script using your uri, it works her
[18:17] <tgm4883> here*
[18:20] <bobweaver> Ok here is paste it is still not removing exstentions and it is not adding so I will try to fix line 111 and make like this
[18:21] <bobweaver> pasteing error ^^^^ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1303234/
[18:22] <tgm4883> You added the two lines I specified above?
[18:22] <tgm4883> what is the output of 'python --version'
[18:27] <bobweaver> Yes that was OO @ python know. So I put a space in URI  var and give's back correct string. also takes care of line 79  here is paste of lines changed, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1303259/
[18:27] <bobweaver> python version is Python 2.7.3
[18:30] <bobweaver> Now it is the white space in the names of the movie string(uri )
[18:32] <bobweaver> I am tring with cvlc and that is what it is telling me.  Maybe make a function to make spaces in uri be \ instead of just whitespace ? Know how to do that. also tgm4883  answer these questions when ever you can, I understand working
[18:42] <bobweaver> Totem Is working !!!!!
[19:02] <tgm4883> bobweaver, to use \, you would need to do \\
[19:02] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I'm wondering if we can just pass a list instead of a string
[19:03] <tgm4883> I pulled that from the remote-videos scope, I don't recall if I had tried passing a list
[19:03] <bobweaver> Yeah also coupe other things I put notes in the code, Do you have older contril logs and debian files ? I am going to package this thing up
[19:04] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I'm going to model it after the packaging in the remote video scope
[19:04] <tgm4883> which is why there is a setup.py now
[19:05] <bobweaver> Why not Make ?
[19:05] <tgm4883> cause it's all python?
[19:06] <bobweaver> I am py noob :)
[19:06] <bobweaver> here is idea's  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1303339/
[19:07] <tgm4883> it's going to detect your default video player
[19:09] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfrm117Ukr0    Time Index 8:16
[19:09] <bobweaver> that is what I am talking about. maybe even blah button turns into .....
[19:09] <bobweaver> whats idea with blah button ?
[19:10] <puneri> QUESTION : How to get involved in Ubuntu TV ?
[19:10] <tgm4883> bobweaver, that button is just so I can easily check if a particular issue was fixed. It means nothing right  now
[19:10] <bobweaver> puneri,  have you read the wiki ?
[19:11] <tgm4883> puneri, depends on what you want to do, there are many ways to get involved
[19:11] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  cool any thoughts for future ?
[19:11] <tgm4883> puneri, http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/10/18/call-for-more-active-community-participation/
[19:11] <puneri> bobweaver : yes I have, I found launhpad and it advises to join mailing list.
[19:12] <puneri> tmg4883 : Want to be more on hardware side.
[19:12] <bobweaver> puneri,  you hav installed or played with it ? what do you want to do with it? arm ?
[19:12] <tgm4883> mhall119, who would he talk to for that ^
[19:13] <puneri> bobweaver : No. Will do it. As of now don't have proper board for ARM to port. Earlier had ported other DVR to DM6446.
[19:13] <bobweaver> so yeah tgm I am looking for that code. will paste link. could use the button to change player ?
[19:14] <bobweaver> puneri,  I also do not have a arm board :(
[19:14] <bobweaver> maybe case statements ? python has case statements correct lol
[19:14] <puneri> bobweaver : Any list of tested platforms ?
[19:15] <bobweaver> I have tested on like 6 different machines have not made a list yet. But that is a good idea
[19:16] <puneri> bobweaver : Then we should edit the wiki and add it. Am I allowed to do so ?
[19:17] <bobweaver> puneri,  yes but you might want to wait around and also talk to mhall119
[19:17] <tgm4883> we should probably wait to update that until some actual Ubuntu TV (Unity 3D) code has been tested
[19:18] <puneri> has anyone tried it on DM6446 : http://www.dm6446.com/ ?
[19:18] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/ubuntutv/unity-scope-youtube-tv/files/head:/usr/lib/unity-scope-youtube/
[19:19] <bobweaver> that is code I am talking about
[19:20] <bobweaver> puneri,  not sure. I have seen some videos on panda boards and cell phones (droid atrix) but that is it for arm
[19:21] <puneri> bobweaver : As per my understanding any DVR needs proper signal processing that would mean good DSP. Not sure about panda & beagle.
[19:23] <puneri> Suggest me something which I may contribute to now ?
[19:24] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I've added the packaging back in now r50
[19:25] <tgm4883> puneri, I'm not sure there is anything you can contribute to hardware-wise right now
[19:27] <bobweaver> puneri,  yeah I am also unsure. as I can not afford that stuff :( , But I do have it running real well on system 76 notebook I will post specs. It is small not arm small but notebook small
[19:31] <bobweaver> this thing has a Intel Atom  1.5GHz  and runs real well
[19:33] <tgm4883> bobweaver, he left
[19:41] <bobweaver> I am also giving away a old computer that I painted at linux users group in Nov after talking about Ubuntu TV. Here are Pictures :)    http://imagebin.org/233135    http://imagebin.org/233136        I will present My modifed version of Unity 2d on it then give it away at the end of the night after presenting on it
[19:50] <mhall119> bobweaver: has tgm4883 filled you in on the changes to the way community works on TV?
[19:50] <tgm4883> mhall119, I've done no such thing
[19:50] <tgm4883> figured we'd discuss it a bit in 3 days
[19:50] <tgm4883> err, 4 days
[19:51] <mhall119> I wanted to give him the info ahead of time
[19:51] <tgm4883> good idea
[19:51] <tgm4883> if you want to fill him in, I'm going to go grab lunch
[19:51] <tgm4883> or just find the appropriate logs
[19:51] <mhall119> I'm about to head to sleep, it's getting late here and I only got a few hours on the plane
[19:52] <mhall119> bobweaver: PM me your email address, I'll write it all up in the morning (Copenhagen time)


[00:32] <rocsteady> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:96 (TARGET_LINK_LIBRARIES):
[00:32] <rocsteady>   Cannot specify link libraries for target "/usr/lib/libcppunit.so" which is
[00:32] <rocsteady>   not built by this project.
[00:32] <rocsteady> -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
[00:32] <rocsteady> ops
[00:32] <rocsteady> sorry
[00:33] <rocsteady> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:96 (TARGET_LINK_LIBRARIES):
[00:33] <rocsteady>   Cannot specify link libraries for target "/usr/lib/libcppunit.so" which is
[00:33] <rocsteady>   not built by this project.
[00:33] <rocsteady> -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
[00:33] <rocsteady> sorry guys.. mistake
[00:33] <rocsteady> posting
[00:58] <bazhang> no worries
[00:58] <bazhang> could be worse, idoru could be in here
[01:20] <TheLordOfTime> oh god, idoru in here would be evil
[03:45] <RamchandraApte> hello
[03:45] <RamchandraApte> Doesn't ubuntu have propriatery software in the repos?
[03:45] <RamchandraApte> such as amnesia
[05:01] <rocsteady> AlanBell: What was that link that you had about systemd?
[05:01] <rocsteady> And why ubuntu is going to wait to switch to it?
[05:02] <rocsteady> Could you post it one more time plz.
[06:56] <k1l> 18:55:55 <        AlanBell > http://undacuvabrutha.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/why-ubuntu-should-continue-with-upstart-for-11-10/
[06:57] <k1l> rocsteady: ^
[07:21] <rocsteady> Thanks
[19:42] <fpx> hello
[19:53] <AlanBell> hello fpx
[19:53] <Tm_T> ohai
[19:55]  * genii-around makes a fresh pot of coffee and hands out clean mugs to everyone
[19:58] <fpx> how nice


[05:07] <jsgotangco> hey all
[09:15] <jsgotangco> grr i dont get it is hoary's xslt borked?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html
[10:32] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you want me to start work on the quickguide?
[10:32] <jsgotangco> sure please do this cookbook is getting hairy
[10:32] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:32] <jsgotangco> i'll just dive in when there's content already
[10:32] <Burgundavia> I sensed that
[10:33] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:33] <jsgotangco> that's a very nice page
[10:33] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:33] <jsgotangco> but it didnt use the default background
[10:34] <Burgundavia> not much is default
[10:34] <Burgundavia> that is a sales page for someone
[10:34] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=292909#post292909
[10:34] <Burgundavia> last post ont hat page
[10:35] <jsgotangco> i sensed that
[10:35] <jsgotangco> i lookedat the frontpage
[10:36] <Burgundavia> I am going to steal his ideas
[10:36] <Burgundavia> I am thinking for the quick guide, one big sectin
[10:36] <Burgundavia> no sidebar
[10:36] <Burgundavia> I like the idea of staggered screeshots like that
[10:38] <jsgotangco> hmmm but you can't do that in docbook, you have to transform it to html to align it like that no?
[10:38] <Burgundavia> no idea
[10:38] <Madpilot> staggered screenies make the eye move back and forth, which is a good thing </amatuer design geek>
[10:38] <Madpilot> can't the Ubuntu wiki take CSS code like the Wikipedia engine can?
[10:41] <jsgotangco> i dont think moin was designed for that  at all
[10:41] <jsgotangco> (presentation-centric wiki)
[10:41] <jsgotangco> you can make some nasty workarounds though
[10:41] <Madpilot> too bad. the 'pedia wiki software can accept most CSS styles, without nasty workarounds
[10:42] <Burgundavia> moin can take some stuff
[10:42] <Burgundavia> see UserDocumenation
[10:42] <Burgundavia> the toc stuff
[10:43] <Burgundavia> what about dividing the quick guide into 2 sections
[10:43] <Burgundavia> 1st section is why ubuntu is great
[10:43] <Burgundavia> 2 or 3 items
[10:43] <Burgundavia> 2nd section is new stuff in breezy
[10:43] <Burgundavia> 5-10 iteams
[10:44] <Madpilot> Looking at the stuff on UserDocumentation, it looks like moin can accept enough CSS to do the alternating pictures that Burgundavia wants
[10:44] <Madpilot> just alternate float:right & float:left all the way down
[10:44] <Burgundavia> because I really like the 4 things on that guys page
[10:45] <Burgundavia> interface, office, software updates
[10:46] <Burgundavia> problem with the Quick Tour is that some of the cool stuff like gnome-power,beagle and network-manager might not make the cut
[10:47] <Madpilot> it's a Quick Tour - you're only going to cover the basics, not every cool thing
[10:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:48] <Burgundavia> well gnome-power and n-m are really one thing: better laptop support
[10:48] <Burgundavia> so is the ndisgtk stuff
[10:48] <Madpilot> and you're only going to want to cover the stuff that, a) ppl do 95% of the time, and b) basic security (ie updating)
[10:49] <Madpilot> so stick an bit on the end about "Ubuntu on your Laptop" for the power & network things?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> I am going to write a bunch of stuff
[10:49] <Burgundavia> then cut it ruthlessly
[10:49] <Burgundavia> and polish up the rest
[10:50] <jsgotangco> good idea just dump and clean
[10:51] <Madpilot> if you're going to copy that commercial page, copy the whole format: screenshot, 20ish words; next screenshot.
[10:51] <Madpilot> no paragraphs, no dissertations!
[10:51] <Madpilot> it's a pamphlet, not a booklet
[10:52] <jsgotangco> hmm that's great docbook doesn't even want a ulink aything with &
[10:52] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:52] <Burgundavia> that was my plan
[10:53] <Madpilot> for longer help guides, I like the way linuxcommand.org is laid out - TOC, and then medium-length bits - about 2-3 screens worth - with a "Next" link at the bottom
[10:54] <Burgundavia> that is very nice
[10:55] <Burgundavia> makes reading eas
[10:55] <Burgundavia> y
[10:55] <Madpilot> it's digestible and navigible - "do this, then move on to the next bit" - and if you need a quick ref after, it's all accessible
[10:56] <Madpilot> I've been thinking about something similar for the U wiki
[10:56] <Madpilot> because most of the questions on #ubuntu are "repos, Synaptic, mp3/restricted, Java", more or less
[10:58] <Burgundavia> was thinking about the media stuff today
[10:58] <Madpilot> ?
[10:58] <Burgundavia> my thought was to create two new pages
[10:58] <Burgundavia> PlayingMusic and PlayingMovies
[10:58] <Burgundavia> and then making the various formats subpages of them
[10:59] <Burgundavia> leave restrictedformats in place, just link to the new structure
[10:59] <Burgundavia> so for .avi, it would by PlayingMovies/Avi
[10:59] <Madpilot> why? none of that stuff is very long, it all fits nicely on one page
[10:59] <Burgundavia> search
[10:59] <Madpilot> and most ppl want the whole set of codecs, not just one or two
[10:59] <Burgundavia> currnet default search is by title
[11:00] <Madpilot> right, and search "avi" returns nothing about video formats
[11:00] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:00] <Madpilot> "mp3' returns nothing at all...
[11:00] <Madpilot> you've got a point - but do it backwards
[11:01] <Madpilot> create all those named pages - then redirect them to RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <Burgundavia> sure
[11:01] <Burgundavia> by restricted means nothing and is quite long
[11:01] <Burgundavia> PlayingMusic does
[11:01] <Madpilot> remember the *rest* of our resources. restricted is all over ubotu's database, for starters
[11:01] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:02] <Burgundavia> that is why you make Restricted a two link page
[11:02] <Burgundavia> and fix ubotu
[11:03] <Madpilot> "good URLs don't change" - leave Restricted, with all it's contents. create the new pages for the search engine. don't have to mess with ubotu then either
[11:03] <Burgundavia> good urls do not hcange, that is what redirects are for
[11:03] <Madpilot> the new URLs - /mp3 and the rest - are hacks for moinmoin's search engine, that's all
[11:04] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:04] <Burgundavia> but PlayingMusic and PlayingMovies is not
[11:04] <Madpilot> remember what I said about most people wanting *all* the codecs, not just one or two
[11:04] <Burgundavia> would you rather tell Andrea to go to PlayingMovies or to RestrictedFormats?
[11:04] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:05] <Burgundavia> the wiki is still very much in its formation period
[11:05] <Burgundavia> now is the time to make these changes
[11:05] <Madpilot> good point... so hack it up this way: leave Restricted in place, with no content but two links to Movies & Music
[11:05] <Burgundavia> and one to Java
[11:05] <Burgundavia> that is what I just proposed
[11:06] <Madpilot> then create the rest of the pages /mp3 and all - and redirect them to the appropriate Movies or Music page
[11:06] <Burgundavia> sure
[11:06] <Madpilot> and don't bother ubotu, unless you really want to
[11:06] <Burgundavia> and then fix ubotus link
[11:06] <Burgundavia> why not?
[11:06] <Madpilot> remember what I said about most people wanting *all* the codecs, not just one or two
[11:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:07] <Madpilot> and I know i just said that, but it bears repeating
[11:08] <Burgundavia> lets hash out the content on the new pages and then do the switch
[11:08] <Burgundavia> the sooner we get good content in place, the less likely we are going to have to deal with crap
[11:09] <Madpilot> true
[11:09] <Madpilot> redirect on moin is "## <name of target page>", right?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> #REDIRECT PageToBeRedirectedTo
[11:10] <Burgundavia> ## is a comment
[11:10] <Madpilot> thanks
[11:10] <Burgundavia> same as wp markup
[11:10] <Madpilot> you creating PlayingMusic & PlayingMovies, then?
[11:11] <Burgundavia> no
[11:11] <Madpilot> ?
[11:11] <Burgundavia> going to bed, like I wanted to 2 hours ago
[11:11] <Burgundavia> but couldn't
[11:11] <Madpilot> couldn't? the computer grabbed you and wouldnt let go?
[11:11] <Burgundavia> no, couldn't sleep
[11:12] <Madpilot> ah. yeah, I'm going to crash too. been a long day. g'night
[11:12] <Burgundavia> night
[03:55] <mgalvin> hi all
[04:24] <jjesse> hello mgalvin
[04:30] <zAo^> how can I play a DVD-ISO?
[04:31] <mgalvin> zAo^: did you try asking on #ubuntu? they should be able to help you there with stuff like that
[04:32] <zAo^> sorry; wront chan :-)
[04:32] <mgalvin> np :)
[04:37] <jjesse> another slow day in the doc channel :)
[05:43] <Mez> WANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling
[05:46] <Kinnison> What for?
[06:01] <Mez> testing a package
[06:01] <Mez> #ubuntu-testing
[06:02] <Kinnison> Perhaps not
[06:45] <mpt> jjesse: You using Breezy?
[07:05] <jjesse> nope
[07:05] <jjesse> kubuntu on hoary
[07:05] <jjesse> sorry was afk mpt
[07:06] <mpt> So if it's a slow day, are you busy writing docs? :-)
[07:06] <jjesse> grin in between solving all the problems at work yes i'm working on the kuesrguide
[07:08] <jjesse> is there a cd build for kubuntu and breezy?
[07:10] <mpt> I'm just unable to write about Breezy-specific stuff before I install it, and unwilling to install it because I need to be doing work on this machine
[07:12] <jjesse> i have that same problem, i do have a test box, but its at home where i am !broadband so looking for a cd install of kubuntu breezy
[07:12] <mdke> mpt, new partition?
[07:12] <mpt> that's a possibility
[07:13] <jjesse> dual boot hoary and breezy?
[07:13] <mpt> this machine is badly partitioned as it is
[07:13] <mdke> jjesse, you could always do a breezy server install and then do a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:13] <mdke> or does !broadband mean no broadband?
[07:20] <jjesse> no broadband
[07:20] <jjesse> i have dial up at home
[07:20] <mdke> ah gotcha
[07:20] <mdke> better ask in #kubuntu-devel if they have colony cd's out
[07:22] <jjesse> ok
[07:22] <mdke> they have daily builds
[07:23] <mdke> no idea if they work tho
[07:23] <jjesse> asking right now
[07:23] <mdke> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/
[07:32] <jjesse> just download one of the isos and then i can install it
[08:49] <judax> hehe, how come I didn't get kicked and all of you did?
[08:49] <mpt> coz you're speshul
[08:49] <judax> I guess
[09:03] <jjesse> grin no clue
[10:39] <Burgundavia> I cannot seem to do nested tables
[10:40] <Burgundavia> no bloody div support either
[10:43] <sladen> ...at least it's not as bad as ReStRuCtUrEdToRtUrE
[10:52] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:52] <Burgundavia> I am trying to emulate this layout: http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html
[10:52] <Burgundavia> not that hard in mediaiwiki
[10:52] <Burgundavia> simply float the image left
[10:52] <Burgundavia> but moin needs to wrap the image in a table to float left|right
[10:52] <Burgundavia> and cannot accept nested tables
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ok, really ugly first draft up
[12:03] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft?action=show


[00:10] <sappheiros> hw acceleration is needed to watch reddit videos?
[00:14] <sappheiros> hardware-accelerated decoding set to 'automatic' in VLC media player, but the file you linked wouldn't play
[00:15] <sappheiros> apparently that file is not the video, since it's like 1 KB
[00:15] <sappheiros> looks like a playlist referencing the file ... thanks though
 In VLC you have to put is a network. That's not the video, is like the playlist of the video. I could watch it in vlc
 same bad heaviour happened in firefox in 18.04
[02:08] <sappheiros> :( Discover simply does not work on my computer.
[02:08] <sappheiros> the right panel won't load, searching stalls it to a halt so it does nothing
[02:09] <sappheiros> (i tried searching the word 'image' to try to install gimp or something better than this "LibreOffice Draw" which is not intuitive; can't figure out how to crop and resize an image)
[03:45] <Luke_94_USA> Can someone help me install a plugin for Totem?
[03:48] <Luke_94_USA> Followed, this, but can't seem to get the plugin to load: http://binarysurfer.blogspot.com/2011/03/enable-airplay-in-ubuntu.html
[04:02] <tamedragon> Is this channel open to just ask questions or do  I need to PM someone?
 This channel is open to ask, so just !ask
[04:27] <tsimonq2> Ah, they left.
 Hint: on the Telegram side, if it's been more than 10 or 15 minutes, run /name to get the current people in the channel, so you don't respond if they're not there. :P
 (IRC is a bit more ephemeral.)
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: awake mate?
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2 wxl got another lubuntu 18.04 user with latest .iso that got into that double network icon bug again, not sure if its related but cant update atm. you might wanna look at the .iso?
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> last time i checked, i solved this by updating
[19:29] <irgendwer4711> hi, whats the standard theme in Lubuntu 18.10?
[19:30] <irgendwer4711> I am missing some icons


[01:29] <nhaines> The Ubuntu 15.10 release is codenamed "Wily Werewolf"!
[01:32]  * pleia2 has already ordered http://www.squishable.com/p/opensquish_mini_squish_werewolf_7/ <3
[01:32] <darthrobot> Title: [Mini Squishable Werewolf: An Adorable Fuzzy Plush to Snurfle and Squeeze!]
[01:34] <nhaines> Haha, that's great!
[01:35] <nhaines> pleia2: only two years before you have to order an aardvark.  Preorder now to avoid the rush!
[01:35] <pleia2> lol
[01:37] <nhaines> I think it's a clever codename, especially if they focus on convergence.  I know they can have something rough but working by October.
[01:37] <pleia2> yeah
[01:37] <nhaines> Then we can have people who aren't helping whine about the non-default for another 8 months.
[01:37] <pleia2> well, they'll still be shipping a non-snappy/mir/unity8 version for the LTS
[01:38] <pleia2> should be interesting having 2 versions
[01:38] <nhaines> True.  But from what I understand about the build infrastructure, it shouldn't be a lot of extra work.
[01:38] <pleia2> yeah
[01:49] <nhaines> I'm very interested to hear about the convergence-capable phone they're going to ship this year.  Because as far as I can tell that's not going to be the Meizu phone based on specs alone.
[02:04] <nhaines> pleia2: disappointed that the UWN didn't mention the new codename.  ;)
[03:19] <ianorlin> wait pet mode on elavators in JApan wow?
[04:30] <pleia2> nhaines: hah, yeah, only covers through the 3rd ;)
[05:30] <nhaines> pleia2: breaking news!


[01:33] <waltman> Is there anything on help.ubuntu.com where I could point my newbie freshmen for help on command line stuff?
[01:33] <waltman> I see lots of docs on the desktop, but nothing seemed quite right there.
[01:35] <waltman> ah, found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[02:20] <pvl1> thats the biggest learning curve
[02:20] <pvl1> JonathanD: i actually wanted to make a presentation on that
[02:20] <pvl1> WHAT?
[02:20] <pvl1> who said that
[02:34] <waltman> what's "that"?
[02:36] <pvl1> nothing.
[09:36] <JonathanS> Morning.
[10:09] <JonathanD> I think I'm going to skip my run this morning.
[10:27] <rmg51> Morning
[11:28] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[11:28] <rmg51> o/
[11:42] <waltman> JonathanD: wuss
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:36] <KyleYankan> Morning
[15:09] <pvl1> anyone notice it's cold
[15:11] <KyleYankan> What do you mean, it's "cold"?
[15:11] <ChinnoDog> I did. I walked to DD this morning.
[15:13] <pvl1> it's cold outside
[15:19] <lazypower> That whole -9 wind chill thing?
[15:19] <lazypower> And the fact there are places in the US that are colder than planet mars
[15:36] <pvl1> no way
[15:37] <JonathanD> Thats it
[15:37] <JonathanD> I'm moving to mars.
[15:37] <lazypower> Ah i apologize, it appears that claim was made of Canada, not the US
[15:37] <lazypower> http://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/canada-colder-than-north-pole-mars_901154.html
[16:14] <ChinnoDog> What word is a good antonym for "luddite"?
[16:25] <ChinnoDog> Whatever it is, I would like to identify myself as that person.
[16:26] <waltman> "technie"?
[16:26] <waltman> techni
[16:26] <waltman> bah
[16:26] <waltman> techie
[16:27] <ChinnoDog> That says to me someone who is familar with technology, not someone that is a proponent of using it to solve problems.
[16:27] <ChinnoDog> A luddite could also be a techie in that sense.
[16:31] <lazypower> Cartwrightian
[16:31] <lazypower> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/75693/what-word-is-the-opposite-of-luddite
[16:34] <ChinnoDog> That is an interesting thread. However, they are right that "Cartwrightian" would be too obscure for practical purposes.
[20:41] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: Do you have a ham license?
[20:44] <InHisName> License to eat Pork ?
[20:54] <ChinnoDog> ham, specifically
[21:09] <InHisName> Does one need a license to 'ham it up' at the comedy club ?
[21:10] <InHisName> Then I might be treading too close to Mr Baconizer's territory......
[21:35] <KyleYankan> ChinnoDog: K3YLE reporting in.
[21:36] <ChinnoDog> Nice call sign.
[21:36] <ChinnoDog> I don't have a license. I'm going to take the general class test on Saturday.
[21:37] <KyleYankan> ah nice. You'll need to take the tech test as well.
[21:40] <ChinnoDog> Oh. Sorry, I was confused. I am taking the technician test. I forgot which level they eliminated. It was the one before technician.
[21:45] <ChinnoDog> I think I should not get a vanity call sign until I reach extra so I can get whatever I want.
[21:46] <KyleYankan> Novice, I think
[21:46] <KyleYankan> I wasns't going to until I saw K3YLE open. then I jsut jumped on it
[21:47] <ChinnoDog> What level are you?
[21:48] <KyleYankan> Tech
[21:48] <KyleYankan> Mean to upgrade, just haven't gotten around to it


[01:00] <infinity> doko_: Ahh.  foo_RUN_TESTSUITE would work fine, but the ld.so test just above it fails, that's all.
[01:01] <infinity> (Because our kernels don't have the x32 syscalls at all, I assume)
[11:52] <doko__> infinity, leaving now for the airport. if you can find a reliable armel buildd to buld gcc-4.7, that would be nice... fails for random reasons ...
[15:16] <micahg> does copy-package not show what it's copying to in dry-run mode or am I doing it wrong?
[15:20] <infinity> micahg: Example command-line?
[15:20] <micahg> ./copy-package -s quantal-updates --to-suite=raring-proposed -b firefox -n
[15:20] <infinity> Actually, I'm not convinced it shows the pocket it's copying to in non-dry-run.
[15:21] <infinity> If that's what you mean.
[15:21] <micahg> ok, well, it should hit the queue anyways, so..
[15:21] <infinity> It'll also not work.
[15:21] <infinity> Unless Colin fixed that.
[15:21] <micahg> hrm?
[15:21] <micahg> to -proposed?
[15:22] <infinity> Something broke with copies-with-binaries to the devel release, if I recall.
[15:22] <micahg> ugh, ok, I'll wait then
[15:23] <infinity> Once it's sorted, I'm sure we'll do a quick quantal-updates->raring sync run anyway.
[15:23] <micahg> ok
[15:23] <infinity> (Ran into this with exim4 earlier)
[15:24]  * micahg was wondering why Firefox wasn't copied, that explains it
[15:25] <infinity> cjwatson: Any idea what went wrong with copies-with-binaries to devel?
[15:25] <infinity> cjwatson: (Or are you still LEGOing with family?)
[17:16] <infinity> slangasek: So, I don't know if you ever got around to reviewing kmod for quantal before we rejected it due to timing, but the above is identical, except for s/quantal/raring/ in the changelog.
[17:17] <slangasek> infinity: I did review it and rejected it only because we didn't need it at the time.  Given that you're asserting that it's the same, how's about you go ahead and self-accept so's I don't have to go to the trouble of proving this
[17:22] <infinity> slangasek: Works for me.
[20:52] <cjwatson> jdstrand: so, I did the exim4 copy and it worked; the logs indicate that you forgot to use the -b option ...
[20:52] <cjwatson> jdstrand: if you could try that with openjdk-6 and openjdk-7, that'd be good
[20:52] <cjwatson> jdstrand: include_binaries=True if you're using some tool other than copy-package
[20:56] <cjwatson> Adam's set raring to active development
[20:56] <cjwatson> and is clearing the queue
[20:56] <cjwatson> I'm doing an initial test auto-sync now
[20:56] <cjwatson> with four packages
[21:02] <cjwatson> which would be easier if I hadn't apparently subtly broken auto-sync somewhere along the way
[21:02]  * cjwatson debugs
[21:06] <cjwatson> ah, copying into Ubuntu would probably work better than copying into Debian, on the whole
[22:47] <slangasek> balloons: ping


[00:35] <ryanjyoder[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST_BjKicTAk
[00:35] <ryanjyoder[m]> It definitely works. Just how well and how easily...


[08:08] <xarlos> Hi there. Docs suggest juju constraints should be able to be offered by way of "allocate-floating-ip" to an openstack cloud; but then command suggests it's not available. Anyone able to confirm? (juju client: 2.8.10-focal-amd64)
[08:08] <xarlos> *allocate-public-ip sorry.
[15:18] <pmatulis> xarlos, can you pastebin the command and its output?
[15:19] <xarlos> juju deploy cs:bionic/percona-cluster --constraints "cores=4 mem=4096 allocate-public-ip=true"
[15:20] <xarlos> ERROR unknown constraint "allocate-public-ip"
[15:33] <pmatulis> yeah i don't think it should error out like that
[15:40] <xarlos> aye. Seems pretty bleak :/
[15:45] <achilleasa> xarlos: are you running 2.8? That constraint seems to have been added to the upcoming 2.9 (see https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/2.8/core/constraints/constraints.go#L36 vs https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/2.9/core/constraints/constraints.go#L37)
[15:48] <xarlos> That would likely explain my issue :)
[15:58] <xarlos> In my defence, it's in the juju.is/docs/constraints-reference :)


[06:31] <sakrecoer[m]> > <@AppAraat:matrix.org> heh sure, I'll still be around :)
[06:31] <sakrecoer[m]> > And you're welcome, but again it was ages ago so seq64 situation might have changed a lot since then.
[06:31] <sakrecoer[m]> Maybe you are thinking of seq24 of it was ages ago...?
[06:32] <sakrecoer[m]> Anyway, `a2jmidi_bridge` and `j2amidi_bridge` are your friends here, depending on what you want to achieve.
[17:20] <AppAraat[m]> oh no seq24 is abandoned AFAIK
[17:20] <AppAraat[m]> and thanks, I'll be checking those commands out soon


[00:43] <jazei> why I can nt enter to Lubuntu forum using FF? with Falkon I can see the forum but not login! with FF Nothing!!
[15:38] <jazei> what is Launchpad ID at lubuntu forum by discourse?


[00:20] <croraf> For some reason I have kde-frameworks-5-core18 snap installed. What is this for, and can I remove it?
[00:26] <sarnold> croraf: snaps can depend upon each other, so it's possible that it is a required dependency of another snap you have installed
[00:26] <guiverc> croraf, likely you've added a snap that uses that framework; you'll lose the ability to run the snap that requires it
[00:26] <sarnold> croraf: I would hope snap would report the dependency if you try to remove it
[00:30] <croraf> sarnold, quiverc, thanks. I'm trying to get rid of snaps
[00:30] <croraf> everybody recommends not to use them, and I had problems with them couple of times already
[00:30] <sarnold> croraf: oh, sudo apt purge snapd   should do it all in one go :)
[00:31] <croraf> sarnold, do you think i should not use snaps at all?
[00:31] <sarnold> croraf: I'm not particularly fussed either way; I find it useful to have eg youtube-dl updated on a different schedule than the rest of my OS, so I have that installed as a snap..
[00:32] <sarnold> croraf: but if that's not a thing you care about, then go ahead and kill it
[00:32] <croraf> These are the only snaps that remain on my system https://pasteboard.co/JprBoh9.png sarnold
[00:33] <croraf> I'm not really sure if I can delete these
[00:33] <sarnold> gnome is the only question, I think; what desktop environment are you running?
[00:34] <croraf> The default Ubuntu 20.04
[00:34] <croraf> Is that Unity
[00:34] <croraf> or how is it called
[00:34] <sonicwind> croraf, https://www.kevin-custer.com/blog/disabling-snaps-in-ubuntu-20-04/ might help... got it bookmarked
[00:35] <croraf> sonicwind, hehe :)
[00:36] <croraf> I can live with default snaps
[00:36] <croraf> I want my system to have as few modifications as possible from the default.
[00:37] <croraf> Cause I constantly have some issues, so I want the debugging to be easier.
[00:37] <sonicwind> I used to be like that until I became more familiar with Linux, and started keeping better notes of what I've done.
[00:38] <croraf> Oh, it says that I'm using Gnome
[00:38] <sonicwind> messing up is part of how you learn stuff :-D
[00:38] <sonicwind> yes default is gnome
[00:38] <croraf> ~$ echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP   ubuntu:GNOME
[00:39] <croraf> sonicwind, but I think they did a change at 20.04 or 18.04 from GNOME to Unity or vice versa
[00:39] <croraf> ?
[00:39] <sonicwind> Unity to gnome
[00:39] <croraf> at 20.04?
[00:40] <sonicwind> 18.04 for the LTS
[00:41] <croraf> yes
[01:26] <Maik> croraf: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS was Gnome too, ubuntu 16.04 was the last LTS release with Unity. The 17.04 was the last interim/regular release with Unity. They switched to gnome since Ubuntu 17.10.
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:54] <ducasse> good morning