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[02:21] <bluesabre> and I'm back
[03:00] <flocculant> and I'm just off :)
[04:45] <bluesabre> night all
[09:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: looks like parole requires the full plugin path (latest commit does not work)
[09:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'll check into it soon, but we might be able to make parole's plugin loading a bit smarter able to use just the plugin name
[10:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, that's what i thought and why i initially said we might have to look into this (when i saw the plugin path). then Unit193 suggested the module name suffices and i blindly followed. lesson learned, don't listen to Unit193 ;)
[11:12] <knome> hah
[15:45] <Unit193> Works otherwise there, clearly parole is broken. :D
[16:46] <Unit193> (And full path clearly wouldn't work anyway.)
[21:12] <Unit193> knome: There's 'Ubuntustudio Wallpaper Contest' pending for -users.  Not touching it myself, but thinking perhaps 'no' might be a good choice?
[21:13] <knome> i was about to ask another opinion from pleia2


[02:42] <Diddleha>  Know how to make upstart run something at shutdown before the send kill signals etc take over and whack everythings ?
[02:43] <Diddleha> "Backup over the net at shutdown" kind of a thing.
[02:45] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: that's more of a distro question. It will vary depending on how your distro uses upstart
[02:45] <Diddleha> I have tested it on Fedora and Ubuntu
[02:45] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: so you'd want to ask in your distro's channel
[02:46] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: for fedora you'd define the job with start on starting killall
[02:47] <Diddleha> S000 or S01 or S03 will get interrupted. Kany will also be.
[02:47] <Diddleha> On Fedora
[02:47] <Diddleha> 10
[02:47] <Diddleha> in /etc/rc0.d
[02:49] <Diddleha> Or S00 for that matter. /Hmm
[02:49] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: so you tried it as a sysv script and had an issue?
[02:49] <Diddleha> Yeah
[02:51] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: that should have worked
[02:51] <Diddleha> The script runs, but there seems to be no way of making upstart not initiate the other kill signals (killall and halt scripts) before my script has finished
[02:52] <Diddleha> Its almost as if id require a "MustNotHaveBeenKilled: $network $local_fs" etc
[02:52] <Diddleha> Im lost. Ive been at it for days
[02:53] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: upstart just runs /etc/rc, which runs the halt scripts in serial
[02:53] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: it must be the way your sysv job is written
[02:54] <Diddleha> Oh, its serial on shutdown and paralell/threaded on startup ?
[02:55] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: everything in /etc/rc* is fully serial.
[02:55] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: only new-style upstart jobs are ever parallel
[02:55] <Diddleha> Mjae
[02:55] <Diddleha> Yeah, mine are
[02:56] <sadmac_tokyo> yours are what?
[02:56] <sadmac_tokyo> for that matter, your what are what?
[02:57] <Diddleha> If anyone has an answer youll get credz in this: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gadmin-rsync/screenshots/gadmin-rsync-progress.png
[02:58] <Diddleha> Added a restore function, but the backup at shutdown requires something extra: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gadmin-rsync/devel/gadmin-rsync-0.1.5-beta14.tar.gz
[02:58] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: if you're installing a sysv script in /etc/rc then you should be in a serial path
[03:00] <Diddleha> rc0.d for shutdown you mean.
[03:01] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: yes. if your new script is in there it should be in an order
[03:01] <Diddleha> Alphabetical ? :)
[03:01] <Diddleha> Or Numerical or Both ?
[03:01] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: yes
[03:02] <Diddleha> Im feeling boored now
[03:02] <sadmac_tokyo> Diddleha: well, alphanumerical. Its by filename
[03:02] <Diddleha> No, its both
[03:03] <sadmac_tokyo> ok


[13:53] <dantalizing> morning
[13:53] <mhall119> morning
[13:58] <raubvogel> Hey
[14:03] <DammitJim> anyone use unison?
[14:14] <mhall119> DammitJim: never heard of it
[14:15] <DammitJim> mhall119, it's like drop box... it syncs folders
[14:15] <DammitJim> but you have more control over them
[14:15]  * mhall119 uses Ubuntu One
[14:18] <raubvogel> I have drop box myself but am yet to use it.  The desktop verson of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS will be supported for 5 years, just like the server edition!
[14:20] <maxolasersquad> mhall119++
[14:23] <DammitJim> hhmmmm
[14:34] <itnet7> mhall119: speaking of Ubuntu One... One of my co-workers actually has been using his U1 account to synch his tomboy notes... I was pretty happy as he's not a power user
[14:34] <mhall119> itnet7: yeah, I love that, there's an Android app for tomboy notes on U1 too, it's read-only, but super handy
[14:34] <itnet7> It's nice to see people using the services
[14:46] <RoAkSoAx> too bad nobody pays for it :P
[14:47] <mhall119> RoAkSoAx: nobody pays for what, U1?
[14:54] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: correct
[15:00] <itnet7> I would if I really needed that much more space
[16:12] <maxolasersquad> OSM is ready for UDS: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.3568&lon=-81.4884&zoom=16&layers=M
[17:09] <zoopster> maxolasersquad: nice
[17:12] <dantalizing> somebody lean on jamalta to finish chalkboard (his u1 app)
[17:32] <maxolasersquad> I hung out briefly with enjalot last weekend.
[17:47] <jamalta> dantalizing: :P
[17:49] <dantalizing> ;)
[18:26] <rmcbride> RoAkSoAx: we actually do have paying customers on U1. I can't give numbers, but "no one pays for it" isn't exactly true :)
[18:28] <rmcbride> obviously the more that do, the more we'd like it
[18:46] <RoAkSoAx> rmcbride: I know we do :) but my point was that I wished that we had many more
[18:47] <rmcbride> RoAkSoAx: oh definitely. We're expanding across more platforms, which helps. all kinds of cool stuff coming up
[18:48] <RoAkSoAx> rmcbride: indeed


[00:47] <sergio-br23> heya
[00:47] <sergio-br23> trying to overwrite '/etc/init/startpar-bridge.conf', which is also in package sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-58
[00:47] <sergio-br23> trying to install 14.04.2 here
[00:47] <sergio-br23> what is this?
[00:51] <sergio-br23> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1430598
[01:01] <sergio-br23> ubiquity is asking about resizing partition, but the only thing I did was choose the mount point
[01:33] <sergio-br23> I can't install the system here (bug report)
[01:36] <sergio-br2> anyone tested the manual install with this image?
[01:36] <holstein> sergio-br2: there are test cases documented at the QA testing site
[01:41] <clear``> hey guys, i have a wireless router that is 5ghz and 2.4ghz, my phone can find and connect to the 5ghz but my laptops can not find the 5ghz
[01:42] <clear``> is there a way to see if its my laptop or the router that is having the issue
[01:42] <holstein> laptop? or laptops?
[01:42] <clear``> i have 2 laptops. both xubuntu
[01:42] <holstein> are the laptop/s in question 5ghz capable with the driver you are able to use in linux?
[01:42] <clear``> my raspberry pi also cant view the 5ghz
[01:42] <clear``> how do i check?
[01:43] <holstein> laptop? or laptops?
[01:43] <holstein> ideally, you ask the manufacturer.. like with the pi..
[01:43] <holstein> sorry.. my new keyboard is odd..
[01:43] <clear``> lets see, ill look up the specs
[01:43] <holstein> i mean, if you are not seeing the 5ghz, thats my vote.. the driver doesnt support that.. it happens
[01:44] <holstein> i just connect to what linux can connect to, since, im not promised linux support officially
[01:44] <clear``> right
[01:44] <clear``> well i bought the same router for my home and for my business
[01:44] <clear``> 5g showed up at the office for one day, now its gone
[01:45] <holstein> for one day? on what? *both* laptops?
[01:45] <clear``> i bought the one for home over a year ago, the one in the office, yes for one day on both laptops
[01:46] <holstein> not sure.. i always expect little issues like that.. are they the same wifi chipsets? broadcom? what driver/s are you using?
[01:46] <clear``> Wi-Fi® Wireless networking (802.11b/g/n)+ Bluetooth 4.0  <- thats what the specs say
[01:47] <rpp601> hey guys, i have 3 xubuntu boxes on my network. i can ssh into them all and bewteen them all, etc. however only one of them is set up to access externally. when i ssh into it from an external ip, trying to ssh from there to another box on the network gives 'core dump' and drops me back to the shell. i can't duplicate the problem on my local network.
[01:47] <holstein> clear``: what chipset is it? thats what you'll need to go by when "hacking" linux support onto devices that dont promise linux support.. unless the manufacturers do promise support, like system76 or another linux reseller
[01:48] <clear``> http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/satellite/S50/S50-BST2NX2
[01:48] <holstein> rpp601: you may need a more general linux channel.. you can always as in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server.. i would look at the configuration.. if one is in the DMZ for example, and the traffic is different in some way
[01:48]  * clear`` is looking up the chipset
[01:49] <rpp601> holstein, i asked in there but they were busy - this just started at random so i dunno.
[01:49] <rpp601> but thanks
[01:51] <clear``> Intel Wireless LAN Driver
[01:52] <holstein> clear``: you can see, when i open a terminal, and run "lspci" i get a lot of output about my hardware, such as my wifi NIC..
[01:52] <holstein> 05:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[01:53] <clear``> 07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
[01:53] <holstein> clear``: lspci -vv shows me "	Kernel driver in use: ath9k
[01:53] <clear``> lol that was simple, thanks
[01:53] <holstein> !broadcom
[01:54] <holstein> typically, i just pull broadcom and replace.. but, i dont have firsthand experience with that chipset
[01:55] <holstein> clear``: typically, things are the "best" they can be "out of the box" in linux.. but, you can try some other drivers and modules..
[01:55] <holstein> clear``: i would just fire up a few live isos and try different drivers and kernels and different software versions easily that way
[01:56] <clear``> Known Issues
[01:56] <clear``> * LP#1010931 14e4:4727 [Dell Vostro 3555] Broadcom BCM4313 5GHz doesn't work but 2.4GHz does
[01:56] <holstein> clear``: well, there you go..
[01:57]  * clear`` googles for known issues with BCM43142
[01:57] <holstein> at least you know whats up.. i would just use 2.4, and not worry about it
[01:57] <clear``> 2.4 is really really slow
[01:57] <clear``> i cant even stream a movie :(
[01:57] <clear``> across the network
[01:57] <holstein> cool.. so, you can replace the chip, you can run a supported os.. be sure you let them know you would like linux support for 5GHZ..
[01:58] <holstein> check the other chipset, and make sure its the same
[01:58] <holstein> i think you'll find, you *should* be able to stream just fine on the 2.4..
[01:59] <clear``> thanks, i found a few posts im going to read
[01:59] <clear``> see, this is why i think its a router issue
[01:59] <clear``> i streamed for 5 mins fine, then it starts to buffer and lag
[01:59] <clear``> really bad, then all wifi goes really slow
[01:59] <holstein> could be. i would boot the officially suppported OS and test the router with the wifi NIC running under the supported driver
[02:00] <clear``> is there a usb bootable for windows?
[02:00] <clear``> i havent done windows in for ever :(
[02:00] <holstein> not sure..
[02:00] <holstein> im sure you can find another way to isolate..
[02:01] <holstein> another machine with intel hardware runing a live iso..
[02:01] <holstein> maybe you can borrow, etc..
[02:02] <clear``> my other laptop is a different xubuntu version, still a toshiba tho
[02:02]  * clear`` wonders if anyone at his office building has 5ghz signal
[02:02] <clear``> ill test that tomorrow
[02:04] <holstein> clear``: i would be testing with live iso's, as i suggested, with the *same* kernel.. maybe a few different ones
[02:04] <clear``> thanks, i will try that as well
[03:32] <Ullarah> Howdy, is there a way to add a seperator line in the favourites part, just like in the Accessories section?
[03:34] <nick_____> hey guys ... can you please tell me how I could map Super_L+F6 key to increase the brightness using xkb?
[03:34] <nick_____> I tried the xkb documentation the whole evening ... it is just beyond my brain capacity
[03:35] <Ullarah> nick_____, if you know the command to increase your brightness, you can go into the Keyboard section and use Application Shortcuts.
[03:35] <nick_____> yeah ... but I want to do it using the xkb
[03:36] <Ullarah>  > Use xbacklight
[03:36] <Ullarah>  > Create keyboard shortcut
[03:36] <Ullarah>  > Profit
[03:37] <Ullarah> If you /really/ want to get tricky nick_____, take a look at this, http://www.charvolant.org/~doug/xkb/html/index.html
[03:37] <Unit193> Ullarah: Use Menulibre or edit xfce-applications.menu in .config/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[03:37] <nick_____> did that ... this site is beyond my brain capacity
[03:37] <Ullarah> Cheers Unit193 :)
[03:38]  * eikon81g bows to Unit193
[03:38] <nick_____> I bet there is something simpler, yet gui independent (so it could work in unity, kde, gnome, you name it)
[03:38] <eikon81g> lol :)
[03:39] <Ullarah> Ah, Unit193, I'm using whiskermenu which comes with 14.10
[03:39] <Ullarah> Not the standard applications menu.
[03:39] <Unit193> xfpm-power-backlight-helper likely isn't what you want though.
[03:39] <Unit193> Ullarah: Ahhh, right, that.
[03:39] <Ullarah> I can switch over, no issues there :P
[03:41] <Unit193> It's just I've hardly used whisker, enough to know it's not for me.  It has defaults.rc, though don't think that's how to do what you're looking for.
[03:48] <Ullarah> Anybody know why the catfish program in 14.10 comes up with weird writing?
[03:48] <Ullarah> I should have said, in the menu.
[03:48] <Unit193> Weird writing?
[03:49] <Ullarah>  > Menu > Accessories > Catfish is named something with weird characters, like swirls and stuff.
[03:50] <Ullarah> Unit193, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10578169/
[03:50] <Unit193> =කැට්ෆිෂ් ගොනුව සෙවීම?
[03:50] <Unit193> Hah.
[03:50] <Ullarah> So it's not just me?
[03:50] <Unit193> Ullarah: You're using en_AU.  Well I don't get it, but a quick look at the desktop files shows it "translated" into en_AU with that string. :D
[03:51] <Unit193> This is good.
[03:51] <Ullarah> Could you tell me what it should actually say so I can change it? :P
[03:51] <Unit193> I have no idea how that happened. :D
[03:51] <Unit193> Name=Catfish File Search
[03:52] <Ullarah> Cheers.
[03:52] <Unit193> Name[si]=කැට් ෆිෂ් ලිපි ගොනු සෙවීම  looks like it was just copied.
[03:53] <Unit193> I like that bug. :D
[03:53] <Unit193> And sure thing.
[03:53] <Ullarah> Heh.
[03:54] <Ullarah> And everything is named incorrectly when adding/removing items to the xfce panels.
[03:54] <Ullarah> For instance, whiskermenu is called 'Clock'
[03:55] <Ullarah> Is there a screen recorder I can use?
[03:55] <Ullarah> It might make more sense to show the issue there.
[03:55] <Ullarah> Hmm. VLC seems to be able to do it.
[03:57] <Unit193> Can't remember the name of a common one.
[03:58] <eikon81g> I'm out you guys ttyl :) Later
[03:59] <Unit193> Have fun.
[04:00] <bluesabre> gtk-recordmydesktop works well
[04:00] <holstein> ^ thats the one ive always used..
[04:00] <bazhang> kazam has always been good for me
[04:01] <bazhang> !info kazam
[04:01] <bluesabre> yes, kazam is also pretty great
[04:01] <bazhang> there is one other recent one iirc, eidon/eidet
[04:03] <Ullarah> Where could I upload a webm file to?
[04:03] <holstein> youtube? your server? direct email?
[04:03] <bluesabre> youtube potentially
[04:03] <Ullarah> webmup.com :P
[04:03] <holstein> maybe vimeo?
[04:04] <Ullarah> Okay, this is weird, webmup.com/CpIEZ
[04:04] <Ullarah> See the menu?
[04:05] <Unit193> PPAs?  How many panels do you have?  Maybe xfsettingsd or xfconfd?  I have never seen this before.
[04:06] <Ullarah> Only installed the webupd8team PPA
[04:07] <Ullarah> I mean it's not a /huge/ issue :P
[04:07] <Ullarah> Just something weird I noticed :)
[04:07] <Unit193> So, two amusing things in one night, awesome.
[04:07] <Ullarah> Maybe I'll find more Unit193! :P
[04:08] <Unit193> I'll have to stick around then.
[04:08] <Ullarah> Hahaha!
[04:09] <Ullarah> Interesting. Whiskermenu holds a temporary favourites. Remove it from your panel resets your favourites.
[04:19] <Ullarah> Aaaaand, adding the verve command line to a panel which is set to automatically hide makes the panel not hide at all.
[05:50] <Ullarah> Should I update xfce to 4.12 or wait for xubuntu 15.04 ?
[07:28] <ckatt> hello
[09:01] <pot> Hi! Under the 4.12 which app manage the background itself?
[09:07] <Unit193> xfdesktop4.
[09:11] <pot> Actually i don't have bg after i updated nautilus '^^
[09:11] <pot> Odd but i can live with this 'feature'
[09:33] <kashel> hello
[12:27] <akis> hi all. any idea why my hp wireless mouse recognized from 14.04 as mosart semi 2.4G wireless mouse jumps on scrolling? any solution on this issue? i read some documentation but nothing solved my problem. any idea?
[14:19] <akis>  hi all. any idea why my hp z3200 wireless mouse recognized from 14.04 as mosart semi 2.4G wireless mouse jumps on scrolling? any solution on this issue? i read some documentation but nothing solved my problem. any idea?
[15:52] <akis> hi all. any idea why my hp z3200 wireless mouse recognized from 14.04 as mosart semi 2.4G wireless mouse jumps on scrolling? any solution on this issue? i read some documentation but nothing solved my problem. any idea?
[15:57] <GridCube> !synaptics
[15:57] <GridCube> akis: ^ that might help
[15:57] <GridCube> i know it says touchpad
[15:57] <GridCube> but it might help
[15:59] <akis> thank you for your reply. what should i read here?
[16:32] <tobi93> hey, can somebody help me with creating a connection to my bluetooth headset?; I want to controll it with pavucontrol, but it doesn't work :/
[17:03] <baguette> I installed Asunder via compilation. It says it's installed but I can run it neither see it in my programs.
[17:03] <baguette> *can't
[19:17] <comp> Is there some way to suppress upgrading of the kernel?  The reason that I ask is that I am running 14.04.2 in a VMware Player and upgrading the default installation kernel knock out the connection to the host.  Any pointers to solutions will be much appreciated.  Thanks
[22:14] <sergio-br2> heya
[22:15] <sergio-br2> I'm getting a kernel panic here, with xubuntu 14.04, kernel 3.13
[22:15] <sergio-br2> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/20150310235558.php
[22:15] <sergio-br2> got this too with 3.16
[22:15] <sergio-br2> and linux mint 17.1, 3.13
[22:16] <sergio-br2> any idea how to find the what is causing it?
[22:16] <sergio-br2> This laptop works with windows 8.1, without issues


[07:50] <lars_> test
[07:52] <lars_> testing kubuntu chat room
[07:53] <valorie> hi lars_
[07:53] <valorie> not exactly a "chat room" but close
[07:54] <valorie> irc has channels, and this one is for Kubuntu support
[07:54] <valorie> welcome
[07:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:06] <astro> I'm having a hellacious time with my wireless router
[08:06] <astro> I can't seem to get my wireless working
[08:06] <astro> Can someone help me ?
[08:07] <valorie> astro: can you tell us about your system, what trouble you are having, and what you have already tried?
[08:07] <valorie> !wireless
[08:09] <astro> I'm a little confused , I think I identified I need the b43
[08:12] <lordievader> astro: Have you followed this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx ?
[10:29] <jarkko_> i have kubuntu, is it safe to install xfce on it?
[10:35] <tsimpson> jarkko_: sure
[10:44] <jarkko_> where does xfce install itself?
[10:50] <jarkko_> i seem to get some programs that i dont need
[10:52] <jarkko_> http://pastebin.com/zN2VuEMM
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:37] <gsedej_work> Does anyone know why "Alt+1" does not work in browsers, while "Alt+2", "Alt+3", ... works? Does work for anyone?
[13:27] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> Morning just started for me.
[13:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> o/
[13:29] <lordievader> Poisoned_Dragon: The nice (or not so nice) thing about time zones, eh.
[13:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh, tell me about it.
[14:12] <cillo551> is it safe to use kubuntu trusty tahr as everyday computer use
[14:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> System:    Host ROL-PD-D505 Kernel 3.2.0-58-generic-pae i686 (32 bit)
[14:14] <Poisoned_Dragon>            Desktop KDE 4.12.1 Distro Ubuntu 14.04 trusty
[14:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> cillo551, does that answer your question?
[14:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just be prepared to file a bug report, now and then.
[14:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> It is in alpha.
[14:15] <cillo551> Poisoned_Dragon:  have your system crashed or have it been stable
[14:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> The only issues I have, on this laptop, is that I can't use a kernel higher than 3.5. So, I just use the kernel from precise.
[14:18] <shadeslayer> cillo551: nope
[14:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> Otherwise, it's stable
[14:20] <cillo551> ok, thanks for the info
[14:31] <lordievader> It is never recommended to run a development release. Especially not on production machines.
[14:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> True. But, we're adventurers that way.
[14:32] <lordievader> Poisoned_Dragon: Jup, same here ;)
[14:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Plus, given the quirkiness of this laptop, I'm willing to do crazy things on it.
[14:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> Like running an older kernel on a newer release.
[15:00] <Walex> gsedej_work: it may be that it is bound to something else...
[15:00] <Walex> gsedej_work: try 'kcmshell5 khotkeys' and 'kcmshell4 keys'
[15:01] <Walex> Poisoned_Dragon: it is not so much "adventurers", but able to investigate issues and willing to report them.
[15:01] <Walex> gsedej_work: try 'kcmshell4 khotkeys' and 'kcmshell4 keys'
[15:01] <Walex> Poisoned_Dragon: it is *very* unusual that newer kernel release does not work and an older one does.
[15:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> Walex, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1254131
[15:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's marked as an issue with the xorg driver. But, I believe it to be a kernel regression. However, given how old the chipset is, I don't see it being resolved in the future.
[15:04] <Walex> Poisoned_Dragon: just a typical bug.
[15:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's been a bug since kernel 3.7
[15:05] <Walex> Poisoned_Dragon: they come and go as workarounds for firmware bugs are added/changed/remove from the relevant kernel module or scripts.
[15:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> Which would be raring ringtail.
[15:05] <Walex> Poisoned_Dragon: the obvious solution is to disable the lid-close button...
[15:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've tried that. It doesn't work.
[15:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've set the DE to ignore it. I've set the system to ignore it. The result is the same. The switch causes the system to freeze.
[15:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just easier to use the precise kernel.
[15:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> I would use the quantal kernel but, support for security fixes ends this year.
[15:24] <teo_icKs> Hi at all, I need help about oxigen-gtk theme engine: I'm using kubuntu 13.10 and in my system give me the following error: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "oxygen-gtk"
[15:24] <teo_icKs> Hi at all, I need help about oxigen-gtk theme engine: I'm using kubuntu 13.10 and my system give me the following error: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "oxygen-gtk"
[15:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> ok, ok... please no question flooding.
[15:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> patience is a virtue.
[15:26] <teo_icKs> I'm sorry.... I have a problem in my keyboard...
[15:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> is this a fresh install, teo_icKs?
[15:27] <teo_icKs> yes
[15:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> Shouldn't kick out that warning right out of the box.
[15:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> How is the hard drive?
[15:31] <teo_icKs> I don't understand your question...
[15:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, if it were me, a fresh install kicking out an error like that would cause be to wonder about the condition of the hard drive.
[15:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> If the Hard drive is fine, maybe the install was mucked up by a bad DVD.
[15:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> Did you install with a DVD or a USB stick?
[15:35] <teo_icKs> My hard drive works as well, I'm sure... but I can't exclude a DVD bad installation... is there a way to reinstall only this bad module?
[15:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm... I suppose there is. But, I've never had to do it. Also, this may not be the only error on the system. It just might be the only critical one you've found.
[15:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> A clean install would be best, instead of hunting down packages to help chase down individual errors.
[15:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> If you can't trust the dvd drive, consider putting the iso on a usb stick and installing it from there.
[15:42] <teo_icKs> ok, thanx... bad news but if I have to reinstall all system, better make it soon is possible :-) , thank you again, bye
[15:43] <RahulAN> raghav990: hiii
[15:44] <RahulAN> raghav990: Are you getting me?
[15:44] <raghav990> yep
[15:44] <RahulAN> raghav990: so you got it
[15:45] <RahulAN> ?
[15:49] <raghav990> REGISTER
[16:05] <jbwiv> guys, with 13.10, if I change an interface ip through "Network Management settings" it doesn't seem to apply. Then, what used to work "$ sudo service networking restart" seems to kill a number of network related things (firefox) and then says NetworkManager is no longer running. What's the appropriate way to apply a new IP?
[17:10] <bogfrog_> Hello
[17:12] <bogfrog_> I am having a problem with plasma on my desktop.  Plasma crashes everytime I start the package manager for plasma widgets in the panel menu.  Can anyone help?
[17:23] <bruno> test
[17:50] <bogfrog_> test recieved bruno
[17:51] <bogfrog_> to repeat my earlier question does anyone know why plasma would crash handling my request for new wdgets>
[18:08] <jussi> hrm, what is an alternative for kubuntu for the "totem-mediaviewer" plugin for firefox/chrome?
[19:02] <cpd> ...
[19:04] <BluesKaj> how to enable F keys without needing the Fn to make some of them work like launching yakuake with F12?
[19:06] <dbrom> hello have a question about my wireles card.  The card is working but only able to see 802.11 nothing else
[19:11] <Daniel2> ...
[19:12] <Daniel2> join #Fateci
[19:12] <dbrom> cant connect to any networks with my wireles card. I set it up and it still doesnt connect
[19:13] <BluesKaj> dbrom, which wifi card/chip ?
[19:13] <dbrom> intel
[19:13] <genii> BluesKaj: I just set one up here that seems to work for starting Konsole. I used System Settings...Shortcuts and Gestures... Custom Shortcuts
[19:15] <dbrom> when i do a iwconfig it says No wireless extensions
[19:16] <BluesKaj> dbrom, lspci -k|grep -A2 Network
[19:17] <dbrom> 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N + WiMAX 6150 (rev 67)
[19:17] <dbrom>         Subsystem: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N + WiMAX 6150 BGN
[19:17] <dbrom>         Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
[19:19] <BluesKaj> dbrom, Bring Up the Interface: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up, then, Find WiFi Networks : sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[19:21] <BluesKaj> Cnada Post in the driveway, bbiab
[19:21] <dbrom> after sudo ifconfig wlan0 up i get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
[19:28] <dbrom> ill be right back...
[19:30] <dbrom> anyone know what im missing
[19:32] <dbrom> i get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
[19:32] <lordievader> dbrom: Then you have either a hardware switch killing the wifi or a software switch. You can check with "sudo rfkill list"
[19:33] <dbrom> 0: ideapad_wlan: Wireless LAN
[19:33] <dbrom>         Soft blocked: no
[19:33] <dbrom>         Hard blocked: no
[19:33] <dbrom> 1: phy0: Wireless LAN
[19:33] <dbrom>         Soft blocked: no
[19:33] <dbrom>         Hard blocked: yes
[19:33] <FloodBotK1> dbrom: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:33] <dbrom> ok
[19:34] <Jacky> dbrom: please use a pasting service next time :/
[19:34] <Jacky> it's in the /topic
[19:34] <lordievader> !paste | dbrom
[19:35] <lordievader> dbrom: Your wifi is hardblock.
[19:35] <lordievader> blocked*
[19:35] <dbrom> how do i turn on the Hard blocked: yes to No
[19:37] <lordievader> dbrom: Find the physical switch and flip it ;)
[19:38] <dbrom> i did that it switch the Hard block to no from yes  but the phy0:wireless Lan Hard block is set to yes no
[19:39] <dbrom> now
[19:39] <dbrom> need it to be no correct
[19:39] <lordievader> dbrom: Try: sudo rfkill unblock all
[19:40] <dbrom> same results
[19:41] <dbrom> bbiab
[19:46] <dbrom> back
[19:50] <dbrom> rfkill unblock all opens everything but the har block on phy0
[19:51] <genii> dbrom: Most likely this is on some laptop which has a key combo or dedicated extra key which physically turns the wifi on/off.
[19:51] <dbrom> fn+F5
[19:52] <dbrom> all that does is bring up the wireless network panel
[20:00] <RodNICE> Need help :-(
[20:01] <lordievader> !ask
[20:02] <RodNICE> Wasn't sure I was connected. just reinstalled everything
[20:02] <dbrom> if the switch is turned on what do i do next
[20:02] <RodNICE> Anyhow... trying to get my bottom left corner icon app launcher back
[20:03] <RodNICE> I remember you all helped me last time and it was a simple thing but I'm not sure what it's called and how to get my icon app launcher back :-(
[20:05] <BluesKaj> RodNICE, quicklaunch widget
[20:05] <BluesKaj> ?
[20:10] <RodNICE> BluesKaj: thanx!!!
[20:10] <dbrom> anyone know how to turn off the phy0: Hard block
[20:12] <lordievader> dbrom: Do you have a dual boot with windows?
[20:12] <dbrom> no, i ont, dont like Windows at all
[20:13] <lordievader> dbrom: I ask because my laptop has the strange behaviour that if I disable the wifi in Windows I cannot enable it again in Linux.
[20:14] <dbrom> thats f***ed
[20:20] <RodNICE> Question: What would I need to do to get Firefox to handle (magnet) links? I have Ktorrent installed on Kubuntu
[20:24] <bprompt> RodNICE:  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=magnet+links&appver=&platform=
[20:26] <RodNICE> Hm... seems to lead to nothing
[20:29] <bprompt> RodNICE:   https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ez-magnetz/?src=search   or maybe https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/magrent/  I"d think ?
[20:30] <RodNICE> OK
[20:30] <RodNICE> oh and I forgot how to have my responses highlighted to a user in IRC
[20:36] <RodNICE> Does the latest version of Kubuntu come with java or some equivalent for Firefox?
[20:37] <bprompt> RodNICE:    ahemm... I'm using 12.04.... and you can always intall java anyway
[20:37] <altin> всем привет
[20:37] <RodNICE> OK
[20:39] <bprompt> `ru @ altin
[20:43] <genii> !ru | altin
[22:20] <Jacky> So like with Trusty Alpha 2, I could do a dist-upgrade?
[22:20] <Jacky> I never did remember this
[22:21] <lordievader> Jacky: It is not recommended to upgrade to development releases.
[22:21] <Jacky> D:
[22:21] <Jacky> but I am what they call a badass
[22:21] <Jacky> I'll spin it up in a VM then
[22:21] <lordievader> Jacky: Ofcourse this all changes when you want to become a tester ;)
[22:22] <Jacky> I'll see how funky it is
[22:22] <Jacky> then I'll switch over
[22:23] <bprompt> a tester [22:23] <Jacky> downgrading is tricky but it's mostly a sed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[22:23] <Jacky> bprompt: you cracked the code lol
[22:24] <bprompt> ahemm..
[22:24] <bprompt> so you just want to test Trusty alpha release?
[22:24] <lordievader> Hmm, that means I'm a badass... Didn't think I would be one.
[22:24] <Jacky> test/use
[22:25] <Jacky> If things break; I'd wiggle my way around it
[22:25] <Jacky> I tend to
[22:25] <lordievader> Jacky: If you are interested read: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters
[22:26] <bprompt> "use" is a general term, "test" is a more specific type of use, I don't think they're quite interchangable at face value
[22:26] <lordievader> Anyhow time for bed, see you all tomorrow.
[22:26] <Jacky> bprompt: they aren't
[22:26] <Jacky> I'd initially just test apps I use every day, KDE and non-KDE ones
[22:26] <Jacky> any issues I try to see if there's a simple fix, otherwise I report
[22:26] <Jacky> if it's not too bothersome of an experience, I stick with it
[22:27] <bprompt> well... don't we all do the same?
[22:27] <Jacky> Not every user's a tester! ;)
[22:29] <bprompt> ahemm
[22:29] <bprompt> I mean, anyone downloading an app and using it, sticks with it if it works for what they want, and it's not too bothersome
[22:30]  * bprompt is not testing his underwear, he's actually "using" it, it tested good, so I stuck with it


[10:23] <WaltherFI> So, I heard that the background competition is up and running
[10:23] <coz_> ah there you go
[10:23] <coz_> WaltherFI,  I believe it is yes
[10:25] <WaltherFI> I've got a nice photo in my macro set that i've been editing for a dozen of times to different degrees and ended up with high-contrast black and white
[10:25] <WaltherFI> but what should the export resolution be?
[10:25] <coz_> WaltherFI,  well you could make it in the standard resolution formats
[10:25] <coz_> let me find the links  although the contest link is in the topic
[10:26] <WaltherFI> someone said that it should be 2560*1600, instead of for example 1920*1080
[10:26] <WaltherFI> which is, 8:5 against 16:9
[10:26] <WaltherFI> quite much limits how i should crop the photo
[10:27] <coz_> WaltherFI,   well if you upload the image to flickr for ubuntu   , and if it is picked,, the required resolutions will be givine to you
[10:27] <coz_> let me see if I have the flickr link for that in the mailing lists  hold on
[10:28] <WaltherFI> That would have been my second question - where to post the image. Thank you very much
[10:28] <coz_> WaltherFI,  you can read through here while i search   http://design.canonical.com/2011/07/get-excited-and-make-things-wallpaper-edition/
[10:29] <WaltherFI> i've been an amateur photographer for around six years, as long as i've been a linuxist too, thought that maybe I could contribute in this way as i'm not that good in programming
[10:30] <coz_> WaltherFI,   here you go     http://www.flickr.com/groups/oneiric-wallpaper-submissions/
[10:30] <WaltherFI> Thank you very much.
[10:30] <coz_> no problem
[10:31] <coz_> WaltherFI,  not sure if flickr  accepts large resolution on free account,, however  , I have not seen and issues in the past with my account
[10:31] <WaltherFI> so, it is compulsory to have a flickr account then?
[10:31] <WaltherFI> to even be able to submit
[10:32] <coz_> WaltherFI,   well I think it would help,, it's free   but check out there to see if it is requireing an existing account
[12:04] <WaltherFI> There we go.
[12:04] <WaltherFI> http://www.flickr.com/groups/1731759@N21/?added=1
[12:26] <coz_> looking
[12:26] <coz_> WaltherFI,  what name is it under?
[12:28] <WaltherFI> my own nick, it should be the first image
[12:28] <WaltherFI> the chessboard high-contrast BW with bokeh
[12:28] <coz_> first image is howy the photographer
[12:30] <WaltherFI> strange, for me, it is the second photo
[12:30] <WaltherFI> http://www.flickr.com/photos/65391991@N02/5953695589/in/pool-oneiric-wallpaper-submissions
[12:30] <WaltherFI> that one anyway
[12:30] <WaltherFI> it's about a year old photo i've edited again and again
[12:30] <coz_> ah nice ;)
[12:30] <WaltherFI> never happy enough with it
[12:31] <WaltherFI> imho it has a nice story behind
[12:31] <coz_> I like the chess set :)
[12:34] <WaltherFI> silver and brass set, with bone/wood board
[12:35] <coz_> nice:)
[12:38] <WaltherFI> thanks
[23:14] <palhmbs> hi...
[23:14] <palhmbs> I'm having problems with text over graphics & researching the problem is proving difficult.
[23:15] <palhmbs> currently this site imo looks pretty good - http://3sixtynz.com/ -- but the client doesn't like my paintbrush effect to make the text stand out,  so I've gotta give them some options to make it more effective....


[09:19] <psivaa> Is there anything wrong with precise desktop image publishing? cd-build-log says 'Build successfully added to the tracker', and the iso tracker is pointing to a cdimage link for 20121206 which is '404 Not Found'
[09:19] <psivaa> Happened yesterday as well
[09:20] <cjwatson> not clear; I've poked it ...
[09:20] <cjwatson> mirroring is kind of out of our hands except for poking the trigger
[09:22] <cjwatson> Looks OK now
[09:22] <psivaa> cjwatson: thanks
[09:55] <apw> can i assume that the britney block is for the alpha1 ?
[09:55] <cjwatson> Yes
[09:56] <apw> thanks
[10:02] <diwic> infinity, ping
[10:05] <infinity> diwic: Sup?
[10:05] <diwic> infinity, you told me to ping you once I've uploaded a new pulseaudio for SRU into 12.04
[10:06] <infinity> diwic: Mmkay.
[10:06] <diwic> infinity, hopefully I've managed to write nice little "Sru justifications" in every bug it fixes, but let me know if you have any questions.
[11:32] <Riddell> I think kubuntu is ready for alpha 1
[11:34] <Riddell> oh hmm the cdimage page says OVERSIZED, I our 1GB limit isn't marked for raring in some part of it
[11:37] <xnox> Riddell: the text != the actual size being checked for.
[11:37] <xnox> Riddell: but I thought non ubuntu-desktop images where still at 700
[11:38] <Riddell> we set it to a round 1GB for kubuntu in quantal but I guess that needs to be added for raring too
[11:44] <Riddell> hmm I don't see the limit being for quantal only in ubuntu-cdimage bin/publish-daily
[11:45] <Riddell> yofel: another crash fix for 4.9.4?
[11:45] <Riddell> yofel: able to handle it or need help?
[11:45]  * Riddell updates http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html
[11:47] <Riddell> oh wrong channel :)
[11:55] <cjwatson> Riddell: AFAICS you never made that quantal-specific
[11:55] <cjwatson> lp:ubuntu-cdimage r897.1.1
[11:55] <cjwatson> But it's in lib/cdimage/tree.py / lib/cdimage/tests/test_tree.py now anyway
[12:04] <Riddell> stgraber: kubuntu is good to go for alpha 1 on i386 and amd64 modulo working out how to remove the oversized warnings on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20121205/
[12:06] <Riddell> aah it is over the limit, that explains it<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes > SIZELIMIT=1000000000
[12:10] <Riddell> I think I'll bump that up to the binary 1GiB
[12:17] <Riddell> cjwatson: could you merge in lp:~jr/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu-limit for that bumped limit?
[12:17] <psivaa> xnox: cjwatson: any ETA for the fix for bug 1086339
[12:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1086339 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Can not install raring desktop with manual partitioning" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086339
[12:18] <cjwatson> psivaa: I uploaded the fix yesterday, but, as I told gema, it's waiting for the Alpha 1 freeze to lift before it lands in images
[12:19] <cjwatson> Riddell: um, no - you're working off ancient source before the Python rewrite
[12:19] <Riddell> oh I'm behind the times
[12:19] <cjwatson> Oh, hmm, is the public mirror out of date I wonder
[12:20] <Riddell> I just did bzr co lp:ubuntu-cdimage
[12:20] <cjwatson> Hmm, LP is getting 403
[12:21] <cjwatson> Grab it directly from http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/ for now
[12:21] <cjwatson> Ah, there we go, never mind
[12:21] <cjwatson> lp:ubuntu-cdimage should be up to date no
[12:21] <cjwatson> w
[12:23] <psivaa> cjwatson: ack thanks
[12:24] <Riddell> cjwatson: lp:~jr/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu-limit2 for the merging
[12:25] <cjwatson> Riddell: ./run-tests
[12:27] <Riddell> cjwatson: good point, updated
[12:29] <cjwatson> Riddell: Righto, thanks - merged, deployed, and I've removed the *.OVERSIZED files
[12:30] <Riddell> yay thanks
[12:30] <Riddell> stgraber: kubuntu good to go
[13:01]  * ogra_ wonders if he just never noticed or if ppa-purge pulling in all of aptitude is a new thing
[13:35] <diwic> ogra_, my guess is that we don't pull in aptitude anymore by some other random package, that's causing you to now notice that ppa-purge does it
[13:36] <ogra_> hmm, might be, yeah
[13:38] <Riddell> ScottK, stgraber: no amd64+mac for kubuntu, no install tests on it
[13:45] <cjwatson> grr.  sorry about all the precise Ubuntu desktop amd64 rebuilds, I'm trying to make a debian-cd tweak for secure boot and having a bit of trouble
[13:53] <ScottK> stgraber: How close are you to pulling the release trigger?  I'm wondering when I should drop my block.
[14:06] <stgraber> good morning
[14:07] <stgraber> ScottK: can you mark both images as ready on the tracker?
[14:07] <stgraber> highvoltage: same ^
[14:07] <ScottK> stgraber: Done.
[14:14] <stgraber> ScottK: so I'm planning to release within the next two hours as there's no pre-publishing or anything like that to do and the only thing left is moving the images, archiving quantal beta2 and sending the e-mail
[14:14] <ScottK> OK.
[14:14] <ScottK> How often does britney run?
[14:17] <infinity> ScottK: Every time the publisher does.
[14:17] <ScottK> infinity: Thanks.
[14:17] <infinity> (So, every 30m, except when not)
[14:18] <stgraber> ScottK: so I'll do the old milestone archiving now and wait for highvoltage to show up
[14:18] <ScottK> OK.
[14:19] <stgraber> pgraner: if you want one last look at the announcement before we release, it's pretty much ready now. http://pad.ubuntu.com/raring-alpha1-announcement
[14:20] <plars> Our ssh issues from NM bug before are resolved, but we are blocked in automated testing on another bug it seems now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1061242
[14:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1061242 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "apt-install fails during success-command because target environment cannot resolve DNS" [High,Confirmed]
[14:20] <plars> anyone have a moment to take a look?
[14:22] <plars> xnox maybe? ^
[14:23] <xnox> plars: well I did notice the highlight (for ubiquity), I was somehow under impression this was fixed in quantal at one point by cjwatson to support adding ppas.
[14:23] <xnox> but needs checking.
[14:28] <cjwatson> I don't recall that but I'm an old man with a patchy memory :)
[14:28] <cjwatson> Oh, there was a resolvconf bug
[14:28] <cjwatson> Or related to that anyway
[14:28] <cjwatson> It wasn't anything to do with PPAs as I recall
[14:29] <pgraner> stgraber, cool, works for me
[14:29] <cjwatson> xnox: You may be thinking of ubiquity r5671?
[14:30] <xnox> cjwatson: yes, that is the commit that I was thinking of.
[14:30] <cjwatson> plars: Please, whenever your team submits this kind of bug, could you include the preseed file?
[14:31] <plars> cjwatson: yes, I'm getting one for you now
[14:31] <cjwatson> It's not much fun trying to guess whether it's a bug in the installer or in the preseeding commands
[14:31] <cjwatson> Thanks
[14:31] <xnox> cjwatson: http://jenkins.qalab:8080/view/Raring/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/raring-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/20/artifact/syslog/*view*/
[14:31] <plars> cjwatson: it used to attach it to the job as an artifact, but not at the moment, so give me just a bit
[14:31] <cjwatson> xnox: I don't have DNS for that
[14:32] <xnox> yes.
[14:32] <cjwatson> And am not particularly keen on spending half an hour setting it up :)
[14:32] <cjwatson> This should be in the bug
[14:32] <stgraber> good, so announcement is ready, beta-2 has been archived and all alpha-1 bugs have been moved to the next milestone (month-2) and past milestones have been disabled
[14:32] <plars> cjwatson: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/ would be the full name
[14:33] <xnox> plars: Looking at the raring-desktop-amd64-smoke it looks like it fails to find us.archive.ubuntu.com. But I remember somebody ( jibel ?) saying in the qalab only archive.ubuntu.com was accessible.
[14:34] <xnox> wait, I am wrong cause it access it just fine earlier in the run.
[14:37] <cjwatson> I'm pretty certain that's a similar kind of resolver misconfiguration.
[14:38] <cjwatson> Actually, it just looks like nothing especially cares about ensuring correct bind-mounts there.
[14:39] <cjwatson> And never really has.
[14:40] <cjwatson> You could just bracket your success command with 'mount --bind /run /target/run; ...; umount /target/run' for now.
[14:41] <xnox> cjwatson: should that simply be added to in-target wrapper & advertise everyone to use that?
[14:41] <cjwatson> Well, no, it's not that
[14:41] <cjwatson> in-target already does it
[14:42] <cjwatson> But there's a TODO in compat/apt-install saying that it should use in-target and currently does
[14:42] <cjwatson> n't
[14:42] <cjwatson> It must have been hard for some reason ...
[14:43] <cjwatson> (Well, saying that it should use chroot-setup, but that's the active ingredient in question)
[14:44] <xnox> Well this is what currently is run:
[14:44] <xnox> Dec  6 13:08:55 ubuntu ubiquity[3078]: log-output -t ubiquity sh -c sh utah-latecommand ; chroot /target sh -c 'apt-get install -y --force-yes openssh-server >>/var/log/utah-install 2>&1; apt-get install -y --force-yes gdebi >>/var/log/utah-install 2>&1; sed -i -e "/^exit 0$/iapt-get install -y --force-yes openssh-server >>/var/log/utah-install 2>&1; apt-get install -y --force-yes gdebi >>/var/log/utah-install 2>&1;" /etc/rc.local;'; chroot /target
[14:44] <xnox>  sh -c 'chmod g+w /var/lib/utah/testsuites; apt-get install -y --force-yes imagemagick'; [ "$?" -eq "0" ]
[14:44] <cjwatson> Oh, yeah, that's nonsense
[14:45] <cjwatson> OK, that's totally the preseed file's fault
[14:45] <xnox> let me find the branch for this.... =)
[14:45] <cjwatson> So the claim in the bug that it was using apt-install was untrue
[14:45] <cjwatson> How misleading
[14:46] <xnox> that the current log of the fail in the jenkins desktop smoke test.
[14:48] <cjwatson> plars: Replace 'chroot /target' with 'in-target' throughout, including wherever it might be used within utah-latecommand
[14:48] <xnox> cjwatson: well it's lp:utah I am looking through it now.
[14:48] <xnox> cjwatson: cause the late command is generated from config values.
[14:53] <xnox> plars: what i see in jenkins does not match lp:utah code. And in lp:utah there is now "cp /etc/resolv.conf /target/etc/resolv.conf" which is also not what is wanted.
[14:53] <infinity> ScottK: Are you ready to drop your britney block?
[14:54] <ScottK> Sure.  Give me a minute.
[14:54] <cjwatson> cp /etc/resolv.conf /target/etc/resolv.conf> wow, that *really* won't work
[14:54]  * infinity finds it oddly creepy that his and cjwatson's hints files are both 119 bytes.
[14:55] <cjwatson> At least they aren't bricktext
[14:55] <xnox> cjwatson: you said there was a bug report? or just a discussion here?
[14:55] <highvoltage> hello stgraber
[14:55] <cjwatson> bug 1061242
[14:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1061242 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "apt-install fails during success-command because target environment cannot resolve DNS" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061242
[14:56]  * highvoltage gets to it
[14:56] <infinity> cjwatson: Was that a comment on my changelog habits? :P
[14:56] <cjwatson> Heh, do you do that?  I hadn't noticed
[14:57] <infinity> I don't consciously do it, so it's not always perfectly justified, but I seem to subconciously do it more often than seems sane.
[14:57]  * cjwatson is reminded again of debconf 0.9.10 / 0.9.11
[14:57] <stgraber> highvoltage: so if you're ready for release, just mark the images as ready on the tracker and take another look at the announcement. Everything else is good to go on my side, so I'll start publishing once you're done.
[14:57] <highvoltage> stgraber: edubuntu images marked as ready
[14:58] <xnox> cjwatson: commenting. thanks.
[14:58] <infinity> cjwatson: hahahaha.
[14:58] <cjwatson> I think that's the best changelog ever
[15:01] <ScottK> infinity: Done and before the publisher run ...
[15:01] <infinity> ScottK: Danke.
[15:01] <infinity> ScottK: (It runs when the publisher's done, so you may have had a few more minutes to spare)
[15:02] <infinity> Though, when the publisher is only doing non-release pockets, it's dangerously close to instant.
[15:02]  * infinity commemorates the thaw by doing a d-i upload to let all the kernels in.
[15:02] <highvoltage> heh
[15:03] <highvoltage> open the gates!
[15:03] <ScottK> They are open.
[15:05] <ScottK> stgraber: AFAIK, Kubuntu is ready in all respects.  Our flavour specific release announcement is done.
[15:09] <stgraber> alright, let's start publishing that thing
[15:09] <ScottK> \o/
[15:12] <smartboyhw> \o/
[15:12] <Riddell> excellent, thanks much stgraber and ScottK
[15:16]  * ScottK marked up the ISO tracker a bit.
[15:20] <stgraber> rsync appears to be pretty slow today... it's been copying stuff to cdimage for almost 10 minutes now
[15:22] <stgraber> ScottK, highvoltage: so I guess we should have everything ready by 11am EST. Torrents tend to take a little while to start working but half an hour should be enough for the seeder to import the new isos and start seeding.
[15:22] <highvoltage> ok
[15:22] <ScottK> OK.
[15:23] <ScottK> I have the correct tab open in my browser to put the annoucement on kubuntu.org
[15:31] <stgraber> ScottK, highvoltage: publishing done, can you confirm that cdimage looks good for your respective products?
[15:31]  * stgraber tests the torrents
[15:33] <ScottK> stgraber: I see them on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/release, not on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/alpha-1.
[15:33] <stgraber> ScottK: hmm, indeed... wondering how I missed that. Fixing
[15:35] <stgraber> that's really weird, only kubuntu got published as "release", edubuntu got published fine as alpha-1...
[15:36] <highvoltage> I knew the Kubuntu team is really efficient but not /that/ efficient.
[15:37] <stgraber> ;)
[15:38] <stgraber> oh and because of that, the html header is wrong too... /me fixes
[15:38] <stgraber> ScottK: alright, that should be better now
[15:39] <ScottK> Agreed.
[15:40] <ScottK> stgraber: Looks good to me.
[15:40] <stgraber> ok, so as usual bittorrent is the only problem, the seeder doesn't appear to work. I just poked IS to have them take a look
[15:43] <infinity> stgraber: I'm sure it works fine, but magellanic is crap.
[15:43] <infinity> stgraber: Note that it's still mirroring from nusakan.
[15:43] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, but with 4 iso images I had hope it'd catch up a bit faster than usual :)
[15:43] <infinity> stgraber: It'll catch up.  IS can't make it faster.
[15:44] <infinity> adconrad@nusakan:~$ netstat -n | grep :873
[15:44] <infinity> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:873       <IP_ADDRESS>:38677     TIME_WAIT
[15:44] <infinity> When it stop suckling, it'll slowly catch up.
[15:44] <stgraber> infinity: it appears to be done rsyncing now
[15:45] <infinity> stgraber: Yeahp, just finished, so now it'll take $some_time to do its tracker thing.
[15:46] <stgraber> I guess it was just rsyncing the kubuntu images again after I moved them to the right directory, the edubuntu images have been announced on the tracker for a while now but without any seed, so maybe the seeding part of magellanic is stuck again :)
[16:01]  * ScottK notes the time and votes "GO".
[16:01] <highvoltage> Seconded.
[16:01] <stgraber> bittorrent isn't there yet, but fine, I'll send the e-mail :)
[16:02] <psivaa> cjwatson: Do you think the fix that has just been released for bug 1085961 will also fix bug 1080701?
[16:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1085961 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Unable to install two raring desktops side-by-side" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085961
[16:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs with 'ubuntu partman: No matching physical volumes found'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080701
[16:03] <stgraber> cjwatson: can you let the alpha-1 announcement through to u-d-a?
[16:03] <cjwatson> psivaa: I'm not sure, sorry.  It only affects situations where you were at some point presented with a pop-up question dialog
[16:04] <cjwatson> stgraber: done
[16:04] <smartboyhw> Um so can I now say that Alpha 1 has been released? I want to make a thread in ubuntu Forums..
[16:04] <highvoltage> smartboyhw: go ahead
[16:04] <stgraber> cjwatson: thanks
[16:06] <highvoltage> thanks release team
[16:07] <stgraber> np
[16:07] <TheLordOfTime> alpha 1 released?
[16:08] <ScottK> Yes
[16:08] <TheLordOfTime> ETA on torrents?
[16:08] <ScottK> stgraber: Thanks.
[16:08] <cjwatson> psivaa: PS "partman: no matching physical volumes found" is not an error
[16:08]  * TheLordOfTime was reading the scrollbacks.
[16:08] <cjwatson> I've deleted it from the bug title to avoid confusion
[16:08] <stgraber> TheLordOfTime: whenever the seeder feels like it ;) it's an old terribly slow machine that really needs to be replaced...
[16:08] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[16:09] <cjwatson> I advise against trying to guess which bits of the syslog are relevant in bug descriptions
[16:09] <TheLordOfTime> okay, i'll assume the ETA is 67 years then :P

[16:09] <smartboyhw> Sadly Ubuntu Forums can't do two prefixes at once, if not I could have [edubuntu] and [kubuntu] all together
[16:09] <stgraber> at least the tracker appears to work, so if one of the flavour really needs torrents now, they can probably start seeding by manually grabbing the .iso and the .torrent
[16:09] <TheLordOfTime> smartboyhw, do all variants?
[16:10] <smartboyhw> TheLordOfTime, yes I did
[16:10] <psivaa> cjwatson: ok, thank you. i remember that advise,  this bug was reported before that :)
[16:10] <cjwatson> psivaa: asked for more information
[16:11] <psivaa> cjwatson: ok ill try to add that information
[16:13] <TheLordOfTime> well, i'll check for the torrent(s) later then.  in the mean time, if anyone on SRU team can spare me a few minutes, i'd like to borrow you to look at something for SRU eligibility checks.  (assuming you're not as busy as you were approaching alpha1 release)
[16:13] <smartboyhw> TheLordOfTime, well it is released anyway:P
[17:02] <stgraber> cjwatson, infinity, slangasek: any of you has credentials for Release Notes
[17:03] <stgraber> doh, bad copy/paste :) meant, https://release-blog.ubuntu.com/wp-login.php
[17:03] <cjwatson> I think I do
[17:04] <cjwatson> Looks like it.  Send me content
[17:04] <stgraber> sure, one sec
[17:05] <stgraber> cjwatson: based on the previous posts: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1415124/
[17:09] <infinity> stgraber: Is it a bit sad that I never even knew that blog existed?
[17:09] <infinity> (and it seems rather pointlessly redundant, unless its whole point is to be syndicated)
[17:09] <stgraber> infinity: well, I don't think it's really mentioned anywhere, that doesn't help :)
[17:09] <ogra_> it is aggregated in planet though
[17:10] <cjwatson> stgraber: done
[17:10] <stgraber> cjwatson: thanks
[17:10] <cjwatson> infinity: syndicated> that
[17:10] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah, that's what I meant by "its whole point is to be syndicated".
[17:10] <ogra_> right, i think thats the point
[17:36] <cjwatson> infinity,slangasek: ^- could you review that one?  it should be the second half of the fix for the 12.04 SB installation problems stgraber reported
[17:36] <slangasek> looking
[17:37] <slangasek> ok, queuediff -b with ubiquity uploads overloads firefox
[17:37] <slangasek> noted
[17:37] <slangasek> heh, and there's no new bug ref anyway
[17:38] <cjwatson> Yeah, indeed
[17:42] <bjf> on raring it seems that 'quilt' is no longer part of the default install. how do i determine if that is true or just a personal problem ?
[17:42] <infinity> bjf: Was it ever?
[17:42] <infinity> I can't imagine why it would have been.
[17:42] <TheLordOfTime> i don't think quilt's been included in any release ever by default...
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> (based on observations for quantal, precise, and oneiric)
[17:43] <bjf> infinity, well, i'm assuming so because i'm having to explicitly install it now for some testing and didn't before
[17:43] <infinity> It wasn't in any default seeds in precise either.
[17:43] <bjf> infinity, huh, maybe it was a dependency of something else i was installing and now no longer is
[17:43] <infinity> bjf: The only thing on my system that depends on it is bzr-builddeb.  Maybe you had that installed before?
[17:44] <slangasek> cjwatson: what are the conceivable values of altmeta here?  I see it being appended to the name 'linux-signed-generic', but there are no packages from linux-meta that fit that pattern
[17:46] <slangasek> cjwatson: ah, "-lts-quantal" I guess
[17:46] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok, accepted.  Do we need to reset the verification status of all the SRU bugs?
[17:50] <cjwatson> slangasek: -lts-quantal, indeed
[17:50] <cjwatson> slangasek: I think we just need to complete the SB verification, TBH
[17:50] <slangasek> ok
[17:51] <cjwatson> It should already be exhaustive enough
[17:51]  * slangasek nods
[17:52] <slangasek> only three of the bugs seem to have been verified yet so it probably wouldn't be a huge difference either way; I'll leave it as-is
[17:53] <stgraber> cjwatson: so I guess I'll have a new image to test in an hour or so? :)
[17:54] <cjwatson> If you want to spin one, as I'll probably have EODed by then
[17:54] <cjwatson> Otherwise tomorrow morning
[17:55] <slangasek> hmm, the efifb stride bug is still in limbo, isn't it
[17:55]  * slangasek ponders how to get that tested, since he can only reproduce it with d-i
[20:08] <bjf> infinity, i'm trying to 'copy-proposed-kernel precise linux-lts-quantal' and i'm getting an error saying the signer of this package doesn't have upload rights
[20:10] <stgraber> bjf: who's the signer?
[20:10] <bjf> stgraber, henrix
[20:10] <infinity> bjf: Got impatient waiting on me?
[20:10] <bjf> stgraber, he pumps out all the SRU kernels
[20:11] <bjf> infinity, i like to try my hand from time to time
[20:11] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ubuntu-archive-tools$ ./edit-acl query -P kernel -S precise | grep quantalstgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ubuntu-archive-tools$
[20:11] <infinity> bjf: Yeah, but I'll just end up rejecting yours and copying my own. :P
[20:11] <stgraber> well, that copy/paste didn't work as well as I'd have liked ;)
[20:11] <stgraber> but anyway, that source isn't in the kernel package set
[20:11] <stgraber> let me fix that for you, then you can retry
[20:11] <stgraber> bjf: try now
[20:12] <bjf> infinity, are you serious or not?
[20:12] <bjf> stgraber, that worked
[20:12] <bjf> stgraber, thanks
[20:12] <stgraber> np
[20:12] <infinity> bjf: Partially serious, in that if I copy, they get auto-accepted, and I can keep track of my workflow better.
[20:12] <infinity> bjf: And since I need to do other work on copy too (it's not just accepting them), that's why I take that task.
[20:12] <stgraber> bjf: do you have any other -quantal source I should add? (meta package maybe?)
[20:13] <infinity> bjf: (And why shankbot probably should assign that task to SRU, not to Kernel)
[20:13] <infinity> bjf: Well, more realistically, to archive admins, not SRU.
[20:13] <bjf> infinity, so, we used to bug an AA to do this, then we got perms to do it ourselves so we didn't have to bug an AA and now you are saying that we should always bug an AA?
[20:13] <infinity> bjf: You kinda have to have an AA touch them anyway, at least on ABI bumps.
[20:14] <infinity> bjf: And if you've noticed over the last few months, it was always me who closed out those tasks. :P
[20:14] <bjf> infinity, i'm assuming that at some point you might be on vacation when i need this done
[20:14] <stgraber> haha, infinity on vacation, good one ;)
[20:15] <infinity> bjf: Sure, but you guys still can't accept or process them through NEW, so you still need someone else involved.
[20:15] <bjf> stgraber, ok, maybe he gets hit by a bus
[20:15] <infinity> bjf: It's doesn't have to be *me* (though it usually is), but it needs AA intervention, yes.
[20:16] <infinity> bjf: Getting the ability to copy didn't change that, it just changed things from me running "copy-proposed-kernel" to me running "queue accept".
[20:16] <infinity> And than all the same faff afterward with overrides.
[20:17] <bjf> infinity, ok, the proper interface is for us to nag, so nag we shall
[20:17] <stgraber> infinity: though anyone in the SRU team has queue admin rights on -proposed, so is that a case where we could allow them to do the Newing themselves. Or do you actually want to do a full binNEW review on those packages?
[20:18] <infinity> stgraber: The NEWing there is occasionally complex enough that I'd prefer having an actual AA do it.
[20:18] <stgraber> k
[20:18] <bjf> infinity, consider youself nagged :-)
[20:18] <infinity> bjf: I tend to get to it within a day or less anyway.  Today seems to be a minor exception to that rule.
[20:19] <bjf> infinity, there's quite a pile waiting to go
[20:19] <infinity> bjf: Yeah, I'm looking at workflow right now.
[20:27] <bjf> infinity, i'll get shank-bot changed to assign the correct group if you can tell me the LP group you want assigned
[20:28] <infinity> bjf: It should be ~ubuntu-sru, though the people actually doing the work should also be AAs, I'm not sure the distinction matters much for the tracking.
[20:29] <infinity> And I think I may have upset LP with all these copies.
[20:29] <infinity> I only have about 1/4 of my accept emails so far.
[20:31] <infinity> Oo, there they are.
[21:43] <slangasek> stgraber: oh, I thought cjwatson and I were going to flip a coin for alpha2 vs. beta1
[21:43] <slangasek> (for nusakan)
[21:49] <infinity> slangasek: You may still slip as many coins as you like.
[21:49] <infinity> Or flip them, if you prefer.
[21:49] <stgraber> slangasek: there's still alpha-2 and 12.04.2 to flip coins for :)
[21:50] <infinity> I suspect Colin will take precise.2 just out of paranoia over SB not exploding.
[21:50] <slangasek> I was perhaps assuming unduly that 12.04.2 counted separately
[22:16] <infinity> slangasek: dpkg-shlibdeps didn't pick up that skype->libssl dep on its own?  Is it dlopen()ed or something crazy?
[22:17] <slangasek> infinity: I didn't even find evidence of dlopen() in the strings
[22:17] <slangasek> but yeah, it's not a shlibdep
[22:18] <cjwatson> skype's well-known for being deliberately obfuscated
[22:18] <slangasek> cjwatson: even to the point that their own in-house packagers didn't know about this dep ;)
[22:18] <infinity> Maybe it's doing it through some QT interface that does something fancy at runtime.
[22:19] <slangasek> could be
[22:19] <ScottK> IIRC the potentially relevant Qt bits depend on openssl though.
[22:19] <slangasek> 'apt-cache rdepends libssl1.0.0| grep -i qt' shows nothing relevant
[22:21] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ strings /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtNetwork.so.4 | grep libssl
[22:21] <infinity> libssl.*
[22:21] <infinity> Not sure what that's all about, but that's the only libssl I find in all the rdeps.
[22:21] <infinity> And libqt4-network definitely doesn't depend on libssl.
[22:21] <ScottK> OK.  Then I remember wrong.
[22:22] <slangasek> oh, you know what
[22:22] <slangasek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/1056494
[22:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056494 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Precise) "libqt4-network should have libssl in its depends list" [Medium,Triaged]
[22:22] <slangasek> I knew about this bug and then forgot :P
[22:22] <infinity> Hey, lookie there.
[22:22] <slangasek> hey look, I've even commented on it
 with a veiled reference to skype
[22:23] <infinity> slangasek: So.  Want to SRU QT instead of updating skype (or, I guess, we can do both, all belt-and-bracers like)
[22:23] <ScottK> libqca2 ?
[22:23] <slangasek> oh gah, debfx is claiming a license reason not to link against libssl
[22:24] <infinity> Surely, a dlopen() on a glob doesn't actually circumvent the GPL's intent there. :P
[22:24] <slangasek> yes, exactly
[22:24] <slangasek> so either we should just make it a dep, or we already have a problem
[22:26] <slangasek> debfx: can you clarify what license issue you see in bug #1056494?  Qt itself is LGPL so has no issue with libssl; and making it optional in the code doesn't help any when in practice we're shipping qt together with libssl in all cases
[22:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056494 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Precise) "libqt4-network should have libssl in its depends list" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056494
[22:28] <infinity> slangasek: It's only been LGPL for ~3 years, maybe he's just living in the past slightly. :)
[22:28] <slangasek> it could be a concern about GPL revdeps of Qt
[22:29] <infinity> I've always been a bit fuzzy about indirect linking being considered a derivative work if you don't actually use any of the offending functions.
[22:29] <infinity> Though, I suppose with an abstraction layer like qt-network, it's hard to avoid using bits if they're there.
[22:30] <slangasek> it's not a question of derivative works
[22:30] <slangasek> it's a condition of the GPL
[22:30] <infinity> Oh, er, right, I was thinking in the other direction.
[22:30] <infinity> Brain's not in debian-legal mode this afternoon.
[22:30] <infinity> Which is likely a good thing.
[22:30] <slangasek> that reminds me, there's a mailing list somewhere where I need to go set the record straight about MongoDB :-P
[22:31] <stgraber> slangasek: sounds like canonical-tech (mostly because 90% of the posts are about mongodb) ;)
[22:34] <slangasek> ?
[22:34] <slangasek> whose sync is that?
[22:35] <infinity> That was me.
[22:35] <infinity> Did you not want it out of proposed after all?
[22:35] <slangasek> infinity: preempting the question of whether we should fix this in Qt instead?
[22:35] <infinity> slangasek: I think we should also fix it in QT, but it doesn't hurt to fix it in skype for now.
[22:35] <ScottK> JFTR, Qt.  QT is the thing Apple makes.
[22:36] <slangasek> well, it's divergence from upstream and we don't really want to have to be responsible for that, but yeah
[22:36] <infinity> ScottK: Picky, picky.
[22:37] <infinity> slangasek: Well, I may have already copied it to raring a little bit.
[22:37] <slangasek> infinity: shrug, you might as well follow through then
[22:40] <ScottK> FWIW, libqca2-plugin-ossl is the Qt/SSL thing I was thinking of.


[04:49] <mup> PR snapd#7741 opened: tests: fix spread shellcheck and degraded tests to unbreak master <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7741>
[06:16] <mup> PR snapd#7741 closed: tests: fix spread shellcheck and degraded tests to unbreak master <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7741>
[19:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#2801 closed: travis: use `stable` channel for shellcheck snap <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2801>


[02:02] <Unit193> bluesabre: Poke.
[02:18] <Unit193> flocculant: Could be worse, if you install thunar-gtkhash and try to open properties of any file, thunar crashes. :D
[02:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/zesty/xubuntu and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/xubuntu.zesty/supported I think we should put xfdashy since we plan on supporting it.  Also, we have a few thunar plugins, but not gtkhash (another source package, don't want it) and thunar-dropbox-plugin, which we also may not want.  I'm not sure if
[02:21] <Unit193> there's anything else we maintain, but don't ship we might want to add in there (-pulseaudio is already there.)
[11:58] <flocculant> knome: "Is there a specific reason we drop the direct link? If we do that, it would be probably fine to merge these two paragraphs together for good." yes there is a specific reason - it takes ages to get our docs updated - and this is still pointing at xenial ...
[12:00] <knome> ;)
[12:00] <knome> ok
[12:00] <knome> fair enough
[12:00] <flocculant> :)
[12:04] <flocculant> Please use – instead of - only got - on my kbd
[12:05] <knome> copy-pasta?
[12:05] <flocculant> perhaps standardise PPA's and ISO's to PPAs and ISOs - easier to type :)
[12:05] <knome> yep
[12:06] <knome> as i wrote, anything with that works for me
[12:06] <flocculant> anyway - I'll wait for slickymaster then finish it sometime in the next cycle
[12:06] <flocculant> seems to be the doc method :p
[12:06] <flocculant> yea - makes no difference to me either
[16:23] <bluesabre> Unit193, thanks for the info, we definitely want to add xfdashboard to supported, and probably any of the thunar plugins (that are just thunar plugins), since we're kinda in charge of them by default
[16:50] <flocculant> afternoon
[17:09] <flocculant> Unit193: not crashing here :p
[17:10] <flocculant> \o/ for thunar's weather responsive crash pattern :)
[17:24] <knome> bluesabre, ping?
[19:27] <flocculant> knome: what's with 2–3 instead 2 -3 anyway?
[19:28] <knome> that's the proper sign to use... :P
[19:28] <knome> or character tbe
[19:28] <krytarik> A hyphen in this case though.
[19:28] <knome> no
[19:28] <knome> NO
[19:28] <knome> :)
[19:28] <krytarik> Yes!
[19:29] <knome> whenever you denote a scale like "two to three" you should use an en dash
[19:29] <knome> not a hyphen
[19:29] <knome> this is the most important thing i learned while studying...
[19:30] <knome> the en dash in this context is called "rajakohtailmausviiva" in finnish, fwiw
[19:30] <knome> :P
[19:31] <flocculant> studying what?
[19:31] <knome> social services :P
[19:31] <flocculant> and obv I meant 2 - 3 not 2 -3
[19:32] <knome> spacing should be stripped too :P
[19:32] <flocculant> so this hugely important thing in English - doesn't appear on a UK keyboard ...
[19:32] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2011/10/17/give-me-the-endash/
[19:32] <knome> it doesn't in a finnish keyboard either
[19:32] <knome> but i think that's a misjudgement :P
[19:33] <flocculant> just because it's on the internet doesn't make it right ...
[19:33] <knome> are we arguing about this the whole night again :)
[19:33] <flocculant> nope - I got some stuff to do in a bit :p
[19:33] <knome> :P
[19:42] <flocculant> just got some thunar crash again
[19:42] <flocculant> sigh
[19:44] <flocculant> anyway - I'll wait for slickymaster before I do more - he can weigh in on the ISOs/ISO's thing too :p
[20:29] <Unit193> ochosi: -glade is actually in zesty.
[20:29] <Unit193> !info libxfce4ui-glade zesty
[20:30] <Unit193> Ooooh, I was going to have someone look at the description first, whoops.
[20:32] <ochosi> awesome sauce Unit193
[20:32] <Unit193> flocculant: Really?  Did you killall Thunar  first?  I get it everywhere I try. :3
[20:32] <Unit193> ochosi: So once you bump to Zesty, you can play with it. :P
[20:33] <ochosi> flocculant: the question is though whether that is still the original issue that was reported there or whether you're just seeing some other bug/crash. i'd try to really separate the testcases, cause that helps the developers a lot to reproduce and determine where it comes from
[20:34] <Unit193> Oh, didn't you have a taskman coming down the pipes?
[20:34] <ochosi> yup
[20:34] <ochosi> i actually have two(!) taskman releases in the pipe
[20:34] <ochosi> one is the last gtk2/3 release, and i also have a gtk3-only port that is practically ready
[20:34] <Unit193> Which is for Zesty?
[20:35] <ochosi> not sure, that's up to us
[20:35] <ochosi> i'll probably release 1.2.0 tonight
[20:35] <ochosi> and then merge the gtk3_only branch to master
[20:35] <ochosi> so translators can start to work on the few changed strings
[20:36] <ochosi> you can try it out if you want
[20:36] <ochosi> it has headerbars, so you're probably not going to like it ;)
[20:36] <ochosi> https://github.com/ochosi/xfce4-taskmanager/tree/gtk3_only
[20:36] <ochosi> i'd be happy about some feedback
[20:43] <flocculant> Unit193: had reboots in the mix
[20:44] <flocculant> ochosi: not convinced that the bug report in question isn't a bunch of different things anyway :(
[20:44] <ochosi> well it has been polluted by various different topics i'd say
[20:44] <ochosi> but the rename bug seems gone, for me at least
[20:44] <flocculant> yea agree on that
[20:45] <ochosi> moving may still crash it sometimes, as your testing suggests, but the renaming seems stable
[20:45] <ochosi> so i'd prefer to push the patch to master and close the bugreport, to establish a new baseline which people can test and then more cleanly report new bugs that pop up
[20:45] <flocculant> in which case we've got thunar crashing out on moving and copying
[20:45] <ochosi> well tbh it never happens to me
[20:46] <ochosi> so it doesn't seem excessive or clearly reproducible (at least to me, so far)
[20:46] <flocculant> on this topic - from an Xubuntu pov - we've got 14.04 going eol soon - replaced by an lts with a broken file manager - from a qa point this just gets worse :p
[20:47] <flocculant> ochosi: I crashed it a while back moving 1 file
[20:47] <Unit193> ochosi: Correct, but I use htop anyway so don't have to replace it.
[20:47] <Unit193> flocculant: Huh, OK..
[20:47] <flocculant> Unit193: this is with the git thunar
[20:48] <flocculant> ochosi: patch/patches?
[20:48] <Unit193> Mine has been 1.6.10-2ubuntu3~17.04.0
[20:48] <flocculant> right - I removed that one and went back to git
[20:52] <flocculant> Unit193: ok so - removed git, got ~17.04.0 and i/o error on trying properties on a file and a crash
[20:53] <ochosi> for LTS we can try and SRU once everything has been merged to master and released
[20:53] <ochosi> that would definitely improve the experience of those in 16.04
[20:53] <Unit193> Hrm, actually what else are you planning to use headerbars on?
[20:54] <flocculant> ochosi: so re Thunar - I guess I'm the only one reporting that they've got major issues still with it as far as copying/moving things
[20:55] <ochosi> Unit193: not sure, this is just an experiment with taskmanager, also to get more feedback from the community
[20:55] <ochosi> now that the topic seems less flamey
[20:55] <ochosi> in theory it shouldn't be hard to make it a compile-time switch
[20:55] <ochosi> or even an option, but it feels a little over-the-top to me
[20:57] <flocculant> Unit193: so what difference is there between ppa thunar and git - I thought none? but this is the same as when I was testing last week - easier with the ppa one ...
[20:58] <Unit193> I thought the git version was easier to crash last time?
[20:58] <flocculant> ... went for Restart Later, got Restart Now
[20:58] <flocculant> Unit193: not that I remember
[20:59] <Unit193> OK good, the version in Ubuntu crashes with gtkhash now, so no regressions.
[21:00] <flocculant> :)
[21:01] <Unit193> At this point, the patches seem to help some, so as long as there's no regressions from adding them, I think ochosi wants them in.
[21:01] <flocculant> to be honest a mate using xubuntu does the same sort of large file movements - he's seen the same issues as me
[21:01] <flocculant> Unit193: ack - I'd say they help some - as did the last ones - certainly don't make it worse
[21:02] <flocculant> and I agree it might be better to re-report with a clean bug once that master has patches
[21:03] <flocculant> which won't be hard for me to do :)
[22:13] <ochosi> Unit193: hrrrm, the german translation was only updated to 88%, i think i'll have to give the guy another day to finish
[22:14] <Unit193> Alrighty, nobody said which we'll go with so no rush. :P
[22:14] <ochosi> other than that, i've prepared the release notes for the 1.2 release of the task manager
[22:17] <ochosi> flocculant: have you tried this one yet (which claims to fix moving and it's from two days ago): https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12260