[04:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, eylul: Just caught up. In my company, we have all of the passwords on a Google Drive account with a password we all share, but that's less than ideal for our situation. So, whatever solution you found using LP, you might have to explain it to me.
[04:15] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, I'm probably not going to get the meeting notes out until tomorrow since my brain doesn't seem to want to really function properly, and I have to get up early tomorrow anyways, so it's probably for the best that I'm tired..
[04:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer:  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-core/+junk/ubuntustudio-core
[04:16] <OvenWerks> just a test. but anyone who is a part of ubuntustudio-core should be able to read it.
[04:16] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I see that. Looks like it has to be done in bzr?
[04:17] <OvenWerks> I don't know I didn't even try git yet :)
[04:17] <Eickmeyer> Oh, haha!
[04:18] <OvenWerks> for just a few plain files... idon't see what difference it makes really.
[04:19] <Eickmeyer> I don't either. I'm okay using bzr, git, mercurial, or whatever. Actually, no. No mercurial. I'm not a masochist. XD
[04:21] <Eickmeyer> Either way, that seems to be a decent solution so long as nobody outside of core can see it.
[04:22] <OvenWerks> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-core/+git/ubuntustudio-core
[04:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: git works too
[04:23] <Eickmeyer> \o/
[04:24] <Eickmeyer> Only thing I can see there is that bzr and git don't mix, so we should settle on one or the other, and my vote would be for git since it seems to be, for lack of a better term, "the way of the future."
[04:24] <OvenWerks> I don't know if you want to make it a "project" or not
[04:24] <Eickmeyer> Nah, doesn't need to be a project.
[04:24] <OvenWerks> not may be more secure...
[04:24] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[04:25] <OvenWerks> bzr has vanished
[04:26] <OvenWerks> err, the bzr branch above has vanished :P
[04:27] <Eickmeyer> Oh! Well, then that solves that!
[04:27]  * Eickmeyer needs to send eylul instructions on git on LP
[04:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I don't know if we should have all in one file or one file for each... "whatever"
[04:28] <Eickmeyer> I don't see any reason not to have it all in one file. Git is smart enough to figure out differences.
[04:29] <OvenWerks> I was thinking about being able to send one file to someone who only needs one.
[04:29] <OvenWerks> That is not having to change all the info if someone goes away who can't be trusted.
[04:31] <Eickmeyer> Ohhh... right.
[04:32] <Eickmeyer> Multiple files wouldn't be that much work either.
[04:33] <OvenWerks> Anyway, the repo is there do whatever :)
[04:33]  * OvenWerks figures he has done his part :)
[04:38] <Eickmeyer> Thanks! That was something eylul was wondering last week, and it's nice to see the solution was under our noses.
[04:38] <Eickmeyer> Now we just need to figure out the dang web hosting issue.
[09:54] <eylul> Eickmeyer:  OvenWerks i just said git over bzr for long term planning as we are transitioning to git overall it seems, and it is one less tool to keep track of/learn. In short term I don't care either. :)


[08:53] <bigcalm> o/
[09:00] <zxm-pi> \o
[09:04] <bigcalm> How's this damp Friday going?
[09:04] <zxm-pi> it's a friday so everything else doesn't matter :-P
[09:08] <bigcalm> There is that
[10:58] <daftykins> mmm fry up at a cafe \o/
[11:01] <zxm-pi> black pudding AND white pudding? :-P
[11:01] <daftykins> neither!
[11:01] <bigcalm> Mmmmm
[11:02] <bigcalm> I <3 black pudding
[11:02] <zxm-pi> then technically it's not a proper fryup :-P
[11:02] <bigcalm> Not sure if I've ever had white pudding
[11:02] <bigcalm> Though I am aware of it
[11:02] <zxm-pi> white pudding is a milder taste. i won't have a lot of black pudding as a little goes a long way but can eat a tonne of white pudding.
[11:03] <zxm-pi> absolutely perfect for middle of a sandwich
[11:04] <zxm-pi> melting the butter into the bread on a cold day as your arteries harden just lookig at it :-)
[11:05] <zxm-pi> cold windy and wet at the mo. perfect day for an irish brekkie roll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakfast_roll
[11:08] <zxm-pi> only thing comparable to white pudding sandwich is a scottish tinned sausage sandwich
[12:42] <zxm-pi> https://imgur.com/gallery/d3AtAci irish immigration test :-P
[13:19] <diddledani> the craig is 90
[13:19] <diddledani> or is it spelt craic?
[13:19] <diddledani> I suck
[13:19] <zxm-pi> craic
[13:20] <zxm-pi> pronounced crack
[13:20] <diddledani> thanks :-)
[13:20] <zxm-pi> but irish doesn't have a k
[13:20] <diddledani> I enjoyed those two videos :-D
[13:21] <zxm-pi> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzb-6smlTg5UPirLdsdQ_cQ they do have a few others :-P
[13:55] <bigcalm> ¬,¬
[13:55] <diddledani> ooh, deja vu
[17:22] <bigcalm> Weekend!
[21:01] <daftykins> https://i.imgur.com/IF85DeK.jpeg
[21:16] <zxm-pi> no. 5 is alive!
[21:16] <zxm-pi> and running freedos :-P
[21:19] <daftykins> just finished Adrian Black's IBM 5170 series earlier today, that was some hard work
[21:20] <daftykins> manually fixing the BIOS issues too, neat
[21:28] <zxm-pi> that's showing some real love to a device from a company that really tried to lock down their bios from others
[21:29] <zxm-pi> i was just about allowed into a room that housed an ibm 5170 but i was far too lowly a tech to be allowed near it :-)
[21:29] <zxm-pi> a beating with a stick and sent back to my mitac xt pc :-P
[21:32] <daftykins> one of the comments i think had the best line, "the IBM BIOS is not even 100% IBM compatible"
[21:33] <zxm-pi> an engineer from ibm described themselves as THE experts at making incompatible computers work together and then mumbled (caught by his mic) 'usually our own' :-P
[21:34] <zxm-pi> kids these days don't know how easy they have it with ascii.... :-P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBCDIC
[21:38] <daftykins> :D
[21:39] <zxm-pi> when your mistake makes it into zork you know you did something bad :-P


[14:30] <blackboxsw> hi folks, confirmation question. Do all public PPAs support only http scheme? I see private ppas provide https apt-config. If trying to use an https url to a public PPA apt cmdline does see cert errors (as ppa.lauchpad.net doesn't match cert signer private-ppa.launchpad.net)
[14:31] <blackboxsw> cjwatson: ^ :)
[14:36] <cjwatson> blackboxsw: Confirmed
[14:36] <cjwatson> blackboxsw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1473091
[14:49] <blackboxsw> cjwatson: wow thanks for digging up that reference. Just wanted to confirm I wasn't missing something on a new public PPA we just set up


[05:38] <costal> hi there I'm using MAAS 1.7
[05:38] <costal> with dell blades
[05:38] <costal> I have a few issues with the power on function it doesnt seem to work
[05:38] <costal> not the ipmi or the wake on lan
[05:39] <costal> I'm kind of cheating right now just power on the blade when MAAS is trying to do that
[05:39] <costal> it kind of works but sometimes the status of the node is incorrect for example failed when its already deployed
[05:39] <costal> how can I change the status to whatever I want ?
[06:31] <costal> ey guys this is weird now another server is showing couldn't retrieve dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[06:31] <costal> and I'm unable to install it
[08:22] <mup> Bug #1431721 was opened: The django.test.simple module and DjangoTestSuiteRunner are deprecated <django-1.8> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431721>
[08:23] <mup> Bug #1431723 was opened: Creating a ModelForm without either the 'fields' attribute or the 'exclude' attribute is deprecated <django-1.8> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431723>
[08:53] <mup> Bug #1431741 was opened: django.core.exceptions.AppRegistryNotReady: Models aren't loaded yet. when starting MAAS with Django 1.7 <django-1.7> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431741>
[09:05] <mup> Bug #1431741 changed: django.core.exceptions.AppRegistryNotReady: Models aren't loaded yet. when starting MAAS with Django 1.7 <django-1.7> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431741>
[09:14] <mup> Bug #1431741 was opened: django.core.exceptions.AppRegistryNotReady: Models aren't loaded yet. when starting MAAS with Django 1.7 <django-1.7> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431741>
[10:47] <dimitern> any maas guys around?
[10:48] <dimitern> I think I found a serious issue with ipaddresses reserve API, when specifying an explicit address
[10:49] <dimitern> under load, maas api returns no error so juju thinks the address is now reserved, but it's not so - looking at the ipaddresses read list
[10:50] <dimitern> this is 1.7.1 from stable ppa, and I think looking at maas source it happens because there's no lock when requesting to allocate a specific address
[11:11] <mup> Bug #1431820 was opened: npm crashes with npm ERR! Error: No compatible version found<EMAIL_ADDRESS><2.0.0-0' <dev-environment> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431820>
[13:56] <kiko> dimitern, please file a bug so we can fix for 1.7.3
[13:56] <kiko> dimitern, 1.8 should have a real solution to this problem
[13:56] <kiko> rvba, ^^
[13:56] <dimitern> kiko, will do
[13:57] <dimitern> kiko, not quite - what's in 1.8 won't affect this issue I think
[13:57] <kiko> dimitern, we changed the DB isolation mode, so it should break instead of silently failing
[13:58] <dimitern> kiko, ah! good to know - will retest with latest 1.8 then
[14:08] <kiko> costal, hey there
[14:08] <kiko> costal, can we help somehow?
[16:56] <AskUbuntu_> tag on maas "error" | http://askubuntu.com/q/596394
[17:48] <dimitern> rvba, are you around?
[17:48] <rvba> dimitern: yep
[17:49] <dimitern> rvba, hey, I was trying to test 1.8.0 beta1 but there is no 14.04 package in the ppa
[17:50] <rvba> dimitern: 1.8.0~alpha6+bzr3625-0ubuntu1~trusty1 (ppa:maas-maintainers/experimental) ?
[17:50] <rvba> I don't see a beta1 package in the usual PPAs….
[17:51] <dimitern> rvba, ah, ok - I was using your ppa so far, will add experimental now and retry
[17:52] <rvba> cool
[17:53] <dimitern> rvba, kiko mentioned the issue I'm having with static addresses not getting allocated under load (but returning no error, so juju thinks it's fine) is fixed on 1.8 using better db isolation
[17:57] <mup> Bug #1431984 was opened: [API] acquire does not allow for name= <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431984>
[18:00] <rvba> dimitern: should be fixed.  But please file a bug still.  Because we probably want to fix it in 1.7 as well.
[18:02] <dimitern> rvba, yeah, will do; first checking 1.8 and then I'll file a bug for 1.7


[11:32] <airurando> Morning
[11:33] <airurando> The ubuntu-ie website appears to be down.
[11:33] <airurando> Was down yesterday also.
[11:33] <airurando> Forgot about it till now.
[11:48] <moylan> might be a faster response on the ubuntu email list?
[11:48] <moylan> folks that are not watching irc will see an email
[11:55] <moylan> looking at http://www.whois.net/whois/ubuntu-ie.org
[12:00] <airurando> Cheers moylan
[12:00] <airurando> At work at the mo.
[12:01] <airurando> If it persists I'll mail the list tonight
[18:19] <BenChapman> Hello Ubuntu Ireland :)
[18:20] <slashtommy> good evening
[18:22] <BenChapman> I was just wondering about getting someone from Ubuntu Ireland to talk to the Dublin CoderDojo about Oneric Ocelot
[18:22] <BenChapman> or rather, Ubuntu (and FOSS) generally
[18:22] <slashtommy> that might be more of an ebel thing :)
[18:23] <BenChapman> Heh, I was going to reply to the email but thought I'd give a shout on here first :P
[18:24] <slashtommy> how's the move into town coming on?
[18:26] <BenChapman> Unfortunatly awful.
[18:26] <BenChapman> looked at about 8 places
[18:26] <BenChapman> but still none
[18:27] <slashtommy> overpriced, low quality bedsits?
[18:28] <ebel> BenChapman: yeah suppose.
[18:28] <ebel> sounds like a good idea
[18:38] <BenChapman> ebel: cool, we shall have to organise that
[18:38] <ebel> yes
[18:38] <BenChapman> slashtommy: No, reasonably nice places just not replying at all
[19:48] <slashtommy> BenChapman: remember some landlords don't check their email number[sic] often
[19:51] <BenChapman> slashtommy: I mean after a viewing
[19:54] <slashtommy> shame, you would have thought they would be keen to get tenants in


[06:55] <stiv2k> hello
[09:07] <kraut> moin
[12:32] <AnRkey> How can I completely remove apache with all configs so that I can reinstall? I have tried dpkg -P and apt-get remove --purge
[12:32] <AnRkey> when i reinstall apache still is not installed properly
[12:51] <infinity> Which package are you purging?
[12:51] <infinity> The conffiles belong to apache2.2-commong (apache2-common in dapper)
[12:51] <infinity> s/commong/common/
[01:09] <AnRkey> infinity, thanks
[01:09] <AnRkey> i have not purged common yet
[01:12] <AnRkey> i can't remove apache2.2-common as it is needed by apache2-mpm-prefork and when i try purge apache2-mpm-prefork it gives me this invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/apache2 not found.
[01:12] <AnRkey> dpkg: error processing apache2-mpm-prefork (--purge):
[01:12] <AnRkey>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 100
[01:12] <AnRkey> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:12] <infinity> And that's why you should use apt-get, not dpkg. :/
[01:12] <AnRkey> hmm ok
[01:12] <infinity> Because dpkg happily removed them our of dependency order.
[01:13] <AnRkey> well i deleted them thinking that a reinstall would replace them
[01:13] <AnRkey> been at this now for three days
[01:13] <infinity> You can edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm and comment out the call to invoke-rcd.
[01:13] <infinity> And then try harder to purge. :)
[01:13] <AnRkey> ok
[01:13] <infinity> (Or just make the shell script not be "set -e")
[01:14] <AnRkey> tashell script?
[01:14] <infinity>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm is a shell script.
[01:20] <AnRkey> ok that worked perfectly
[01:20] <AnRkey> some small probs though
[01:20] <AnRkey> sudo apache2ctl start
[01:20] <AnRkey> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[01:20] <AnRkey> :D
[01:20] <infinity> Err, that didn't reinstall cleanly, then.
[01:21] <infinity> The postinst script is meant to create an empty httpd.conf
[01:21] <infinity> Really, it is.
[01:21] <AnRkey> :D
[01:21] <AnRkey> any suggestions
[01:21] <AnRkey> create one :D
[01:21] <AnRkey> brb
[01:21] <infinity> apt-get --purge remove apache2-common && rm -rf /etc/apache2 && apt-get install apache2
[01:22] <infinity> (or 2.2-common, whatever version you're on..)
[01:22] <infinity> I suspect some "I think I'm upgrading!" trickery may have triggered if there was an unclean purge. :/
[01:23] <AnRkey> hmm
[01:23] <infinity> Of course, just touching an empty httpd.conf would fix the above, but I'm concerned other things might have broken for you too in all your mangling. :)
[01:23] <AnRkey> sudo apache2ctl start
[01:23] <AnRkey> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[01:23] <AnRkey> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[01:23] <AnRkey> Unable to open logs
[01:23] <AnRkey> i created an empty httpd.conf
[01:23] <AnRkey> owned by root.root
[01:23] <infinity> Also, why are you using apache2ctl directly?
[01:23] <AnRkey> cause i get no info from /etc/init.d/apache2
[01:23] <infinity> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[01:24] <infinity> Address already in use means you already have an apache (or something) running.
[01:24] <AnRkey> it just does nothing
[01:24] <infinity> And bound to port 80.
[01:24] <infinity> sudo lsof -i TCP:80
[01:25] <AnRkey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34517/
[01:26] <AnRkey> something is running
[01:26] <AnRkey> odd
[01:26] <AnRkey> it looks like apache2
[01:27] <AnRkey> but when i /etc/init.d/apache2 stop i get this  * Stopping web server (apache2)...  httpd (no pid file) not running
[01:28] <AnRkey> just killed all those process'
[01:37] <AnRkey> infinity, it's working, removed everything apache2 related with --purge and then reinstalled. Thanks so very much!
[01:42] <AnRkey> i reinstalled php5 but it's not processing .php files in apache
[01:42] <AnRkey> how do i enable php once it's installed?
[02:02] <infinity> Did you install libapache2-mod-php5?
[02:03] <infinity> Note that if you did the "rm -rf /etc/apache2" thing, you'd need to purge libapache2-mod-php5 and reinstall it as well (since it has conffiles there...)
[02:38] <AnRkey> infinity, thanks, trying that now
[02:55] <AnRkey> thanks infinity that did the trick for php too. I had to install php5-mysql for torrentflux to work but it's cruising along quite nicely now.
[02:59] <AnRkey> infinity, my wife says thanks, now she can download torrents again while at work
[03:02] <infinity> Heh.
[03:05] <AnRkey> you have a website?
[03:05] <AnRkey> or blog?
[03:05] <infinity> I suspect I might have both.
[03:05] <AnRkey> posting the solution for this to a thread i had going
[03:05] <AnRkey> wanted to give u the cred
[03:05] <infinity> Oh, you don't have to credit me, I'm a Canonical employee, this is my job.
[03:06] <AnRkey> So u in london?
[03:06] <infinity> I maintained apache and php for years, I should hope I know how they work. :/
[03:06] <infinity> No, I live in Melbourne.
[03:06] <AnRkey> i c
[03:06] <AnRkey> so you met mark yet?
[03:48] <infinity> AnRkey: Err, yes, countless times.  I've been working for Canonical for years.
[03:52] <AnRkey> what he like to work for?
[04:02] <infinity> Like anyone, I suppose.
[04:06] <lousygarua> how do i check which scripts were recently run by cron-daemon?
[04:07] <infinity> lousygarua: grep CRON /var/log/syslog
[04:07] <sommer> lousygarua: you can try this: grep cron /var/log/syslog
[04:07] <infinity> lousygarua: (and syslog.0, etc)
[04:07] <sommer> heh
[04:07] <lousygarua> ok thanks
[04:08] <infinity> Note that it really is CRON, in upper case.
[04:08] <sommer> I concur
[04:09] <sommer> forgot the -i
[05:49] <Gat0rvean>  I'm trying to boot my Ubuntu Server 7.04 without a keyboard, I've configured the bios, but when It loads the modules, it stops at /etc/scripts and I have to press enter to get to the login prompt, how can I disable that?
[05:49] <infinity> "stops at /etc/scripts"?
[05:49] <infinity> (There is no /etc/scripts, so what do you really mean?)
[05:50] <Gat0rvean> something like that, I'd have to reboot it again to see what it really says, but it's /etc/something/something
[05:50] <infinity> And why would you care if you have a loging prompt if you have no keyboard? :)
[05:50] <Gat0rvean> well I can't even login remotely if it's not at the prompt
[05:51] <infinity> Okay, so something is prompting early in the boot sequence?
[05:51] <infinity> Find out what it is.
[05:51] <infinity> Because nothing's meant to.
[05:52] <Gat0rvean> ok, sec
[05:56] <Gat0rvean> "Running local boot scripts /etc/rc.local" [OK]  and stays there, hit enter and the prompt comes up
[05:57] <infinity> Okay, so did you edit rc.local?
[05:57] <infinity> Because it does nothing (exit 0) by default.
[05:58] <Gat0rvean> so change it to "exit 1"?
[05:58] <Gat0rvean> or just "#exit 0"
[05:58] <infinity> Uhm, no...
[05:58] <infinity> "exit 0" is correct.
[05:58] <infinity> That's all rc.local is doing?
[05:59] <Gat0rvean> yes
[05:59] <infinity> Then it's not rc.local that's the problem.
[05:59] <infinity> On the other hand, rc.local is the very last thing to run, so SSH should be up.
[06:00] <infinity> Which means, I'm not really sure what the problem is that you're trying to solve...
[06:00] <infinity> The login prompt not displaying is cosmetic, not sometihng that would prevent you from logging in remotely.
[06:00] <infinity> Oh, no rmnologin runs after rc.local.
[06:00] <Gat0rvean> gotcha, so being the noob I am, I probably have something weird with SSH going on
[06:01] <infinity> Can you paste "ls -l /etc/rc2.d" to me in a private message?
[06:03] <mathiaz> Gat0rvean: did you install the openssh-server package ?
[06:03] <mathiaz> Gat0rvean: it's not installed by default.
[06:04] <Gat0rvean> mathiaz, I did, I can login after I press enter and get the prompt
[06:04] <infinity> Hence the paste I asked for...
[06:04] <infinity> I suspect something's happening between rc.local and rmnologin.
[06:04] <infinity> (rmnologin is what allows you to login, locally and remotely)
[06:05] <infinity> Equally possible is that you've done something very terrible to your environment that's causing rmnologin to prompt, but that seems unlikely.  And a bit weird.
[06:06] <mathiaz> infinity: is the samba package shipped on the livecd ?
[06:07] <infinity> root@cthulhu:~# apt-cache show samba | grep ^Task
[06:07] <infinity> Task: edubuntu-server
[06:07] <infinity> (no)
[06:07] <mathiaz> infinity: ok. Thanks.
[06:08] <Gat0rvean> nevermind guys, I figured it out, I did not install it on the actual server, I installed it on the VMware I had setup before the install = / sorry for the stupidity
[06:08] <Gat0rvean> SSH that is
[06:13] <bulio|> is Ubuntu a good server distro?
[06:13] <infinity> You might get a biased opinion in this channel.
[06:13] <infinity> (ie: We're all likely to say "yes")
[06:14] <bulio|> heh
[06:14] <mathiaz> infinity: we should add a factoid about this question.
[06:33] <tck> or outline main diff between ubuntu server and debian server
[06:38] <infinity> Release schedule, LTS releases, commercial support from Canonical, and a different logo.
[06:38] <infinity> Did I miss anything?
[06:39] <infinity> Do I get a gold star?
[06:42] <ivoks> :)
[06:53] <arthur_kalm> Hi everyone, I'm trying to add an entry to my resolv.conf file but for some reason the entry keeps disappearing. I googled around and I can't seem to find the "proper" way of adding entries to resolv.conf. I don't have resolvconf installed...
[06:53] <arthur_kalm> Thanks in advance.
[06:54] <ivoks> maybe you have network manager?
[06:54] <ivoks> it's default in desktop instalations
[06:55] <arthur_kalm> ivoks: I forgot to mention, X is not installed on the server
[06:56] <ivoks> is there anything in resolv.conf?
[06:56] <mathiaz> arthur_kalm: are you using dhcp ?
[06:57] <arthur_kalm> mathiaz: yes
[06:57] <infinity> apt-get --purge remove resolvconf
[06:57] <infinity> With great prejudive.
[06:57] <infinity> Oh, if you're using dhcp, then nevermind. :P
[06:58] <arthur_kalm> infinity: hehe, and I don't have it installed
[06:58] <infinity> You need to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to append extra resolver entries.
[06:58] <mathiaz> arthur_kalm: you're resolv.conf is probably rewritten by you dhcp client
[06:58] <arthur_kalm> ivoks: yes, I'm trying to add something to the search
[06:58] <infinity> s/probably/definitely/
[06:58] <arthur_kalm> infinity: great thanks
[06:59] <infinity> man 5 dhcp-options for the full list of crap you can tweak in there.
[06:59] <arthur_kalm> infinity: hehe OK
[06:59] <arthur_kalm> I was just about to ask ;)
[07:00] <arthur_kalm> infinity: o_O. I just want to add another search, i.e. search <company dns>
[07:00] <infinity> I'd say "don't use DHCP on servers", but I'd be a hypocrite, I've had entire datacenters running with DHCP in the past.
[07:01] <arthur_kalm> infinity: hehe, OK so don't say it ;)
[07:01] <infinity> prepend domain-name "company.com ";
[07:01] <infinity> Try that, and then "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" and see what resolv.conf looks like.
[07:02] <infinity> (Yes, you can drop the interface remotely, if you bring it up on the same shell line... And if you have reasonably large testicles)
[07:03] <arthur_kalm> infinity: oh they're huge!
[07:03] <arthur_kalm> and that's really cool that u can bring down the interface remotely and not get disconnected :D
[07:05] <arthur_kalm> hmm I get a temporary name server failure
[07:05] <arthur_kalm> infinity: but I can ping it
[07:05] <lamont> ScottK: do you admin ubuntu-server mailing list?
[07:05] <ScottK> lamont: No.  Sorry.
[07:05] <lamont> oh well.
[07:05] <mathiaz> lamont: I do.
[07:06] <arthur_kalm> infinity: actually nvm, it works
[07:06] <lamont> mathiaz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>==<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:06] <lamont> if you would be so kind as to approve me.
[07:14] <mathiaz> lamont: done.
[07:14] <lamont> danke
[07:16] <kylem> mathiaz, working on getting you new AA now.
[07:17] <mathiaz> kylem: excellent. Thanks.
[07:17] <kylem> np.


[05:31] <Strike4ce> I have a dell inspiron 8600 laptop with ati mobility radeon 9600 pro turbo 128mb, with 15.4 inch LCD monitor the resolution is 1280x800, but kubuntu will only go as high as 1280x768.
[05:31] <manveru> musik: jigdo is a little app wich helps you getting your cds faster
[05:32] <musik> manveru: how? can i use it right now to get edubuntu faster? how?
[05:32] <Strike4ce> In other words when I am in kubuntu the image does'nt fill the entire screen. I have a small black space all the way around.
[05:32] <manveru> musik: i'm not even sure it works with ubuntus - did use it for debian so far
[05:32] <Strike4ce> manveru you know anything about fixing that?
[05:32] <kkathman> Greetings all :)
[05:32] <manveru> Strike4ce: maybe configuring your xorg.conf?
[05:33] <manveru> hey kkathman :)
[05:33] <kkathman> howdy manveru  :)
[05:33] <manveru> Strike4ce: but maybe the #xorg guys can help you a bit more
[05:33] <musik> what is down speed & upspeed?
[05:33] <manveru> musik: down is to your computer, up is from your computer
[05:34] <manveru> musik: common names in the filesharing-area
[05:34] <musik> manveru: what gets up FROm my computer when im downloading something?
[05:34] <manveru> musik: guess you use torrent
[05:35] <manveru> musik: you get your files from others, in exchange you provide the files you downloaded to others
[05:35] <musik> yup ktorrent......
[05:35] <manveru> this is so that everyone can go up in speed the more people download a file
[05:35] <manveru> not the other way round
[05:36] <manveru> some people do only uploading - these are called seeds
[05:45] <musik> manveru: ive put ubuntu cd into drive....and i guess im downloading something with jigdo..but where is the iso getting stored on my pc....how do i know this?
[05:46] <Mez> musik - if you're using the CD - it doesnt need to use jigdo
[05:47] <Mez> it'll be installing and getting the latest stuff
[05:47] <musik> huh? im confused!
[05:48] <spike> hi there
[05:48] <musik> Mez: im using ubuntu cd with jigdo for edubuntu iso.........right now i think its scanning the ubuntu cd in my drive.....
[05:48] <spike> can anybody help me with konqueror? I set the view to mulitcolumn, but anytime I reopen that settings arent kept
[05:49] <icewt> spike: settings -> save view profile
[05:49] <spike> icewt: did that
[05:49] <spike> icewt: it saves  it as "Kubuntu File Manager"
[05:51] <icewt> hm.. it should work then. there are some places where it doesn't work for me either though
[06:07] <PanBlueCoalition> is it possible to select only the packages i want during installation?
[06:10] <_ganymed> hallo
[06:10] <_ganymed> can i uninstall exim4 together with ubuntu-minimal without problems?
[06:12] <manveru> why want you uninstall exim4?
[06:13] <Strike4ce> !855resolution
[06:13] <ubotu> I don't know, Strike4ce
[06:13] <PanBlueCoalition> is it possible to select only the packages i want during installation?
[06:13] <manveru> PanBlueCoalition: maybe?
[06:14] <manveru> PanBlueCoalition: since you install kubuntu, you want kde, right?
[06:14] <PanBlueCoalition> yes. but i don't want certain stuff like openoffice etc.
[06:14] <manveru> PanBlueCoalition: i see, i've got the installer not in mind anymore, but i think it will be possible
[06:15] <manveru> PanBlueCoalition: otherwise you can uninstall it afterwards
[06:15] <PanBlueCoalition> manveru: i can't seem to. using aptitute.
[06:16] <manveru> just say 'sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org'
[06:16] <_ganymed> because at start-up i have problems starting the MTA...
[06:16] <manveru> _ganymed: you might want to reconfigure your exim4
[06:17] <manveru> Strike4ce: did you get help in #xorg ?
[06:17] <manveru> _ganymed: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4'
[06:18] <Strike4ce> manveru they cant help
[06:18] <_ganymed> i have. doesn't work....
[06:18] <Strike4ce> smart asses there
[06:18] <manveru> well, if they can't... i'm just being helpless
[06:19] <manveru> _ganymed: what is the problem on startup?
[06:20] <zer0time> hi all
[06:20] <kkathman> hello zer0time :)
[06:21] <manveru> PanBlueCoalition: is that working?
[06:21] <zer0time> I got 2 internet devices ra0 and eth0, ra0 is the one receiving internet traffic, eth0 and my xbox are connected with a crossed cable, and in windows, I share my conection for the xbox to go online, but under linux, I wonder if its possible, I tried firestarter app, not much results, please help
[06:21] <_ganymed> just needs endless time. before installing dhcp3 it told me that it couldn't start the dhcp server, but this seems to be fixed now
[06:22] <manveru> _ganymed: do you have a dhcp-server?
[06:22] <manveru> _ganymed: like a switch or another computer
[06:23] <PanBlueCoalition> manveru: haven't tried yet. i reverted to my old distro.
[06:23] <_ganymed> manveru: it is installed, but only because ubuntu-minimal requires it. otherwise i would like to get rid of it (and of some other stuff).
[06:23] <zer0time> kkathman: ics under linux,
[06:23] <manveru> _ganymed: you need a MTA....
[06:24] <kkathman> zer0time: ??
[06:24] <_ganymed> actually, i don't think so. i am not familiar with an mta...
[06:24] <manveru> _ganymed: but if you had the problem with dhcp, i think that your dhclient looks for a dhcp-server in the network, this takes forever if you don't disable it
[06:24] <zer0time> can you read what I wrote before?
[06:24] <zer0time> kkathman: kkathman  I got 2 internet devices ra0 and eth0, ra0 is the one receiving internet traffic, eth0 and my xbox are connected with a crossed cable, and in windows, I share my conection for the xbox to go online, but under linux, I wonder if its possible, I tried firestarter app, not much results, please help
[06:25] <zer0time> when I enable ics in firestarter, it gives me an error
[06:25] <zer0time> any clue?
[06:26] <manveru> sorry, gotta go... somebody would help _ganymed ?
[06:26] <kkathman> zer0time: well, ICS and Firestarter (which is just a front end for iptables) is about all thats possible I think.
[06:26] <zer0time> not me, must be helped as well
[06:26] <_ganymed> thanks very much
[06:26] <_ganymed> i gotta go too. cu all
[06:26] <_ganymed> great channel
[06:26] <kkathman> zer0time: I dont know why you cant network everything and let your router do the work?
[06:27] <kkathman> zer0time: I am assuming that you are networking now?
[06:27] <zer0time> well, the ftp transfers are faster if the roter is not in the middle
[06:27] <zer0time> and since I ftp my xbox, and do really big transfers
[06:27] <zer0time> need this setup
[06:28] <kkathman> zer0time: so instead you want to take up cycles on your Linux box doing firewalling then
[06:28] <kkathman> and if thats the case, firestarter/iptables is the right approach
[06:28] <zer0time> yeah, but how?
[06:29] <kkathman> the router is cleaner and has a hard firewall too...just my 2cents
[06:29] <kkathman> zer0time: you'll need to basically configure your linux box as a router, and then NAT translate on the backend (but Im not a iptables expert)
[06:30] <kkathman> Im not so sure that you'll get the performance you want
[06:32] <zer0time> kkathman: dhcp server wont start
[06:32] <zer0time> dont know why
[06:32] <snikker> hi, i must remove "lsb-base 3.0" and reinstall "lsb-base 2.0", how can i do?
[06:33] <snikker> no ones?
[06:34] <zer0time> sudo apt-get remove lsb-base // sudo apt-get update // sudo apt-get install lsb-base
[06:35] <snikker> zer0time: ok, i try...
[06:37] <snikker> zer0time: it say to me that fore remove lsb-base i must remove 425 packages :-(  No, another way?
[06:37] <kkathman> zer0time: sorry had a phone call
[06:38] <kkathman> zer0time: you have a connection to the net right? No problems there?
[06:41] <kkathman> zer0time: You might try reading this...its for RedHat, but the principles should be the same in Breezy: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/s1-dhcp-configuring-server.html
[06:41] <kkathman> zer0time: or this might be better: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/DHCP-Server.html
[06:42] <Strike1> damn I have no idead
[06:42] <Strike1> Idea how to fix this issue?
[06:42] <kkathman> brb
[06:43] <Strike1> My display is capable of 1280x800, but kubuntu will only show 1280x768
[06:43] <CyberMad> how to find the version of glibc that we use in Linux? i'm using Kubuntu..
[06:43] <kkathman> Strike1: you will need to do the configuration of your xorg.conf
[06:44] <Strike1> kkathman that doesnt work.
[06:44] <Strike1> I have tried that
[06:44] <kkathman> Strike1: or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg
[06:44] <Strike1> In the xorg.conf it even shows 1280x800
[06:45] <Strike1> reconfigure screws everything up
[06:45] <kkathman> Probably a driver then..not compatible with linux
[06:45] <kkathman> check with your manufacturer
[06:45] <Strike1> I have an ati mob radeon 9600 card
[06:45] <kkathman> ATI and Linux dont get along often
[06:46] <Strike4ce> Well my 3d is working. I have a good image, but it doesnt fill the screen. Its just short 12
[06:46] <Strike4ce> 1280x768
[06:47] <Strike4ce> needs to be 1280x800
[06:47] <Strike4ce> Windows works
[06:47] <kkathman> well Im sure the driver was written for windows :)
[06:48] <Strike4ce> apparently, but xorg should have adapted their driver to fit a standard 1280x800 screen
[06:48] <Strike4ce> not 1280x768. Wtf???
[06:49] <kkathman> well, no, Xorg doesnt really adapt a driver
[06:49] <kkathman> Xorg just uses what's available
[06:50] <kkathman> it just sounds like there isnt a driver available for that video card...have you checked with ATI support?
[06:50] <Strike4ce> Can I replace the xorg driver with the ati rpm?
[06:51] <kkathman> uhmm... I think some people say you can with something called "alien" but I dont know anything about it
[06:51] <kkathman> is the source available?
[06:52] <Strike4ce> kkathman yes alien and its on the official ati site
[06:52] <Strike4ce> So I should uninstall the xorg driver?
[06:52] <kkathman> if they are providing an open source driver, chances are the source is available...but maybe not, ATI is a little hostile to the LInux world
[06:52] <Strike4ce> and then try the new driver
[06:53] <kkathman> Have you spoken to an ATI technician?
[06:53] <Strike4ce> kkathman is that going to cost me?
[06:53] <Strike4ce> lol
[06:53] <kkathman> no clue
[06:53] <kkathman> usually not
[06:53] <kkathman> but I cant say for sure
[06:54] <kkathman> did you buy the computer from a manufacturer or make it yourself?
[06:56] <Strike4ce> its a dell inspiron 8600 laptop
[06:56] <kkathman> ok, well I assume it came with windows :)
[06:57] <kkathman> Dell has good LInux technicians, but Im not sure they'll help you much unless they installed it (not likely)
[06:57] <kkathman> But its worth a shot... believe it or not, I've actually had Dell techs help me on stuff when they didnt have to.
[06:58] <ubuntu> Hello
[06:59] <ubuntu> ???
[06:59] <kkathman> hello
[07:00] <ubuntu> Thats my first trip to the Internet with Kubuntu today and i must say, Kubuntu is very good!
[07:00] <kkathman> Glad you like it..welcome to the family :)
[07:01] <ubuntu> Are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[07:02] <ubuntu> ??
[07:04] <kkathman> most of everyone in this channel I would believe are using Kubuntu
[07:04] <kkathman> including myself
[07:06] <ubuntu> Aha.
[07:06] <Tm_T> Kubuntu <3
[07:06] <kkathman> we are here to help if you have difficulties...any problems so far, ubuntu ?
[07:06] <kkathman> Tm_T: o/  good day my friend:)
[07:06] <Tm_T> hullo
[07:07] <ubuntu> No, thanks. Im just trying it from CD.
[07:07] <musik> can anyone here guide me on using jigdo?? on downloading cd iso with jigdo??
[07:07] <kkathman> ubuntu so you are using just the live CD then?
[07:08] <ubuntu> The problem here in Germany is that most of my friends don't like Linux and they say, Linux is not so good as Windows...
[07:08] <nceterval> I just installed Kubuntu 5.10, what packages do I need to be able to compile software
[07:08] <musik> im using jigdo to download an iso.....but where is the iso getting saved???
[07:08] <ubuntu> I think Linux is much better
[07:09] <kkathman> ubuntu well they are different operating systems, of course, and both have advantages and disadvantages
[07:09] <CyberMad> how do i install mysql-devel package from kubuntu by online?
[07:09] <tackat> nceterval: depends on the software
[07:09] <musik> nceterval: build-essential, for kde apps u need kde devel packages too...
[07:09] <kkathman> CyberMad: try installing Xampp
[07:09] <kkathman> CyberMad: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
[07:09] <nceterval> musik: I think build-essential is what I was looking for, thank you.
[07:10] <kkathman> CyberMad: Thats an all in one apache, PHP and MySQL
[07:10] <musik> nceterval: welcome:)
[07:10] <kkathman> CyberMad: but if you just want the mysql-dev,  you probably need to sudo apt-get install libmysqlclient14-dev  or something like that
[07:10] <CyberMad> CyberMad ah :) i ever use xampp before in windows and linux too :) it's nice, but does it ok use mysql (from xampp) with freeradius?
[07:11] <kkathman> do an apt-cache search libmysql  to get the exact package name, but thats close
[07:12] <kkathman> CyberMad: cant speak to the freeradius, but I use Xampp exclusively...easiest and most reliable way to get that envirornment in my book
[07:12] <ubuntu> A question: Am I able to install Ubuntu/Kubuntu on my HD with a normal Windows partition? I had problems with this.
[07:12] <kkathman> ubuntu: you can, yes, but there's alot to it...its complicated and its dangerous to an extent...if you try, be sure to back up everything!
[07:13] <kkathman> ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[07:13] <ubuntu> But why is it on a ext2 partition not so strenght?
[07:14] <CyberMad> kkathman thanks :)
[07:14] <kkathman> CyberMad: no prob
[07:14] <kkathman> ubuntu: cuz thats the way it is :)
[07:22] <Strike4ce> How do i get this to go directly to my desktop? sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-old
[07:23] <kkathman> what do you mean "go directly to your desktop" ?
[07:23] <kkathman> thats a copy command
[07:23] <Strike4ce> I want it to copy to desktop
[07:24] <kkathman> you want to see the contents of the xorg.conf file?
[07:24] <icewt> cp /etc/X11/corg.conf ~/Desktop ?
[07:24] <kkathman> ?
[07:24] <icewt> xorg.conf
[07:24] <Strike4ce> no, I want to make a backup copy so I can use it later if I need it
[07:24] <kkathman> whats wrong with your original command?
[07:24] <kkathman> thats the right one
[07:24] <Strike4ce> How do I find it? I dont know how
[07:25] <kkathman> find it?  It will be in /etc/X11
[07:25] <kkathman> navigate to it
[07:25] <kkathman> cd
[07:25] <kkathman> cd /etc/X11
[07:25] <kkathman> ls -l
[07:25] <kkathman> ?????
[07:26] <Strike4ce> what is ls -1?
[07:26] <Strike4ce> what does that mean?
[07:26] <kkathman> the equivalent of the dir in DOS
[07:26] <icewt> man ls
[07:26] <kkathman> lists the files in a directory, with a long listing
[07:26] <Strike4ce> ok so it will be called /etc/X11/xorg.conf-old
[07:26] <kkathman> if you just want a list, just type ls
[07:26] <kkathman> yes
[07:27] <Strike4ce> ls gives all the files?
[07:27] <mariux> how can i set konquerors timeout?
[07:27] <kkathman> Strike4ce: all of the regular files, yes
[07:27] <Strike4ce> so X11 will be there?
[07:27] <kkathman> Strike4ce:  if you want the system files, add an "a'....like  ls -la
[07:27] <kkathman> X11 is a directory
[07:28] <kkathman> so you navigate to the directory with "cd (change directory)"   cd /etc/X11
[07:28] <kkathman> that locates you to that directory level
[07:28] <kkathman> then ls -l  will show you all the files in that directory
[07:29] <kkathman> or, use konqeror :)
[07:29] <kkathman> haha
[07:29] <kkathman> howdy nalioth  :)
[07:29] <nalioth> kkathman: howdy professor
[07:29] <kkathman> nalioth: Im not a prof anymore...you took my hat away last night :)
[07:30] <kkathman> Im just a dweebie post grad I think
[07:30] <kkathman> HIya tvo :)
[07:30] <nalioth> kkathman: only cuz ya interupted me on my favorite activity
[07:31] <kkathman> nalioth: well, I will know better next time...sorry bout that
[07:31] <nalioth> kkathman: ya get your cronjob functioning, you program developer you?
[07:31] <kkathman> I suppose...will know Friday
[07:31] <tvo> yo kkathman :)
[07:32] <nalioth> kkathman: does it work when you run konvkill in terminal?
[07:32] <kkathman> yes
[07:33] <kkathman> I appreciated that #!bin/bash tidbit...that really sealed the deal :)
[07:36] <nalioth> so now we just need to get you sorted on "alias" and i can retire?
[07:36] <Strike4ce> kkathman if i have a prolem with xorg.conf how do I start up the backup copy?
[07:37] <Strike4ce> from cli
[07:38] <nalioth> Strike4ce: a simple copy and rename of your backup and a X restart should suffice
[07:38] <kkathman> Strike4ce: remove the new, bad one, then copy the old back
[07:39] <indro> hi
[07:39] <Strike4ce> ok
[07:39] <kkathman> hello indro :)
[07:39] <indro> how i can open non-kde apps with katapult? is that possible?
[07:39] <qos> hey guys ...
[07:39] <nalioth> i wouldn't rename tha backup, it the backup works, i'd copy and rename the copy
[07:39] <kkathman> hi qos :)
[07:39] <nalioth> indro: same way you open kde apps
[07:39] <indro> hi kkathman :)
[07:40] <kkathman> nalioth: yah delete the conf file and cp the old
[07:41] <qos> has anybody tested krfb? i connecting from windows with ultravnc client to my kubuntu host, but the connection is simply bad.
[07:41] <kkathman> nalioth:  in his case:   rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf    then  cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf-old /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:42] <kkathman> qos I have not, sorry
[07:42] <nalioth> kkathman: however it works
[07:42] <tvo> qos: I used it once, connection was reliable, but slow (but it was over the internet so that was to be expected)
[07:43] <Strike4ce> what is the command to delete?
[07:43] <mariux> rm
[07:43] <qos> tvo, i am testing over lan ... speed should be fine ;)
[07:43] <Strike4ce> so rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:44] <tvo> qos: yeah, can't help you then I guess :(
[07:44] <Strike4ce> ok what Im wanting to do is install the ati rpm driver. I will use alien then, should I uninstall the xorg driver or force insti the ATI driver?
[07:44] <Strike4ce> force install
[07:45] <nalioth> Strike4ce: what kkathman posted will work
[07:45] <Strike4ce> ok you have any knowledge on the ATI scheme?
[07:45] <indro> nolioth, ah yes you are right, i have tried with skype but that is not open source maybe because that it dont work... firefox also not work because it want open Firefox Central bookmark but i dont have this bookmark under konqueror, how i can start firefox with kapatult?
[07:46] <Strike4ce> !ati
[07:46] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[07:46] <qos> no problem, which remote server do you use? i was thinking about vnc4server ...
[07:46] <Strike4ce> already using that one
[07:46] <Strike4ce> I have the xorg driver currently installed. I want to install the Driver from the ATI website.
[07:47] <Strike4ce> Do i need to uninstall the xorg driver and then install the officialati driver or can I force install?
[07:48] <kkathman> Strike4ce: I dunno if there is a conflict between the two being installed at the same time. Again I'd have to refer you to the ATI folks :(
[07:49] <kkathman> off hand, I'd say its not a great idea to have both..but I cant say for sure
[07:49] <Strike4ce> I dont want them installed at the same time
[07:49] <indro> nalioth?
[07:49] <Strike4ce> I want the official ATI driver installed I currently have the xorg driver. SHould I remove it or force install the ATI driver?
[07:49] <nalioth> indro: katapult should open anything you ask it to. perhaps it's the way you ask
[07:50] <nalioth> Strike4ce: do either one, you can always go back to your backed up xorg.conf
[07:50] <Strike4ce> ok
[07:50] <indro> i did Alt + Space, then type firefox
[07:50] <nalioth> Strike4ce: your machine is not gonna explode
[07:50] <Strike4ce> lol thanx for the reassurance This is my baby keeps my sanity when Im away from home
[07:51] <indro> can you try that? then you see what i mean..
[07:51] <Strike4ce> im on my desktop its the abused redheaded stepchild
[07:51] <tvo> indro: it's a known problem that you can't choose between different matches in katapult
[07:51] <Strike4ce> My laptop is the spoiled brat
[07:51] <Strike4ce> My wife hates the both LOL
[07:51] <indro> two, then it exist no way to start firefox with katapult?
[07:51] <Strike4ce> Jealous bitch! LMAO!
[07:52] <Strike4ce> what is the command for force install?
[07:52] <indro> two, do you know where is that firefox central bookmark? i think it work when i delete it but dont know where is it (dont find it under konqueror - bookmark)
[07:52] <nalioth> indro: patience, i dont run breezy on this machine, and am consulting another
[07:52] <nalioth> indro: your firefox bookmarks are in ~/.firefox or ~/.mozilla-firefox
[07:53] <indro> nalioth, its not a firefox bookmark, it open konqueror...
[07:54] <nalioth> indro: then look in ~/.kde
[07:54] <tvo> indro: if you open it through katapult it's opened in the default browser
[07:54] <tvo> by default, that's konqueror, also for firefox bookmarks
[07:55] <tvo> alt+f2, type katapult and press enter :)
[07:55] <kkathman> nalioth: Im finding less and less to excited about Katapult
[07:55] <kkathman> I'd rather just use alt-F2
[07:55] <nalioth> kkathman: well, it's quite a rough beta
[07:55] <kkathman> nalioth: Oh no....Im sure its ok...just that I dont find it usefull
[07:55] <Knowerrors> How do you review the results of synaptic installing packages... the log or such of that?
[07:57] <nalioth> this is vexin the snot outta me
[07:57] <indro> two, yeah it was a firefox bookmark, deleted the bookmark, restart katapult, now it work, thanks :)
[07:57] <kkathman> nalioth: katapult?
[07:57] <Linuxmaster> Hello
[07:57] <nalioth> kkathman: yes, professor
[07:57] <kkathman> wow Ubuntu you have been promoted to Linuxmaster!
[07:58] <kkathman> nalioth: had you started katapult before?
[07:58] <Linuxmaster> Is there any way to change the KDE Desktop on the Kubuntu live-CD with the XPDE Desktop?
[07:58] <Linuxmaster> Yes, I've changed my name
[07:59] <nalioth> Linuxmaster: you'll have to follow the steps at xpde.com, but be careful, you'll have to modify the steps, cuz theirs wont work as written
[07:59] <kkathman> Linuxmaster: why do you want to use XPDE?
[08:00] <nalioth> whats the magic key combo to bring up katapult?
[08:00] <kkathman> and I doubt that you can change anything on the live CD :)
[08:00] <nalioth> kkathman: sure ya can
[08:00] <kkathman> nalioth: alt-f2 then type katapult
[08:00] <kkathman> nalioth: really??? how can you do that when you are running off the CD?
[08:01] <nalioth> kkathman: no pissed at you, but that is so redundant. why would i launch a launcher for a launcher?
[08:01] <nalioth> kkathman: you can install anything you like on the livecd
[08:01] <nalioth> kkathman: kind of useless if you ask me (all that work wasted when you power down)
[08:01] <Linuxmaster> The XPDE Desktop is a bit nicer than the KDE Desktop
[08:01] <kkathman> nalioth: the idea is that you need only start katapult once that way..any time after that its available through alt-space
[08:02] <kkathman> Linuxmaster: To each his own but I doubt that...you've just brought up Kubuntu...how do you know?
[08:02] <kkathman> Linuxmaster: KDE is INFINITELY configurable
[08:03] <kkathman> nalioth: so you basically type alt-f2, type katapult....thereafter its just alt-space and katapult comes up
[08:03] <nalioth> well now i think even less of katapult
[08:04] <Linuxmaster> I said, that's the first trip Online with Kubuntu.
[08:04] <kkathman> yes, like I said..I'll just put an icon on the desktop or on my tray for those things I need quickly, then alt-f2 and do anything else
[08:05] <kkathman> hehe
[08:07] <nalioth> kkathman: ya never lost it, bubba, just got whacked with it for interupting my ROTS
[08:08] <nalioth> kkathman: grr! no, i'm carryin on more than is necessary
[08:09] <kkathman> nalioth: that #!bin/bash thing is that particular to ubuntu, cuz my Linux Administrator guide didnt mention it.
[08:09] <Linuxmaster> Makes it sence to install Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu on an extern Hard Disk?
[08:09] <nalioth> kkathman: it is NOT particular to ubuntu
[08:09] <nalioth> Linuxmaster: it will not work on an external
[08:09] <kkathman> yah yah yah...well if I have a resource here I dont go to Google, and my LInux admin guide has a whole section on writing shell scripts, but never mentioned #!bin/bash
[08:10] <nalioth> kkathman: then it is lacking critical information
[08:10] <kkathman> in fact it just said you can write the command and save it, chmod +X and yer done
[08:10] <Blissex> kkathman: well, I can confirm that is a very common UNIX thing.
[08:10] <kkathman> yah well its a good thing ta know :)
[08:10] <kkathman> and I learned it the hard way....head still hurt from being smacked
[08:10] <Linuxmaster> nalioth: Is this true? Where's the problem? At the Ubuntuwebsite they say, you are able to install it on a USB Stick.
[08:10] <Blissex> kkathman: it may not be in the shell scripting chapter. Because it can be used for any scripting language. And it is a kernel feature, not a shell feature.
[08:11] <nalioth> Linuxmaster: "IF" your machine supports booting from a USB stick
[08:11] <nalioth> Linuxmaster: to my knowledge, lilo, grub and yaboot dont play well with external hard drives
[08:11] <kkathman> Blissex: ahhh ok..perhaps thats it...the chapter I was reading particularly put a linux command on line 1 and an echo command on line two, had you save it and the allegedly execute it from the command line
[08:12] <Linuxmaster> Aha, So I won't buy an external Hard Disk for Linux :-)
[08:12] <kkathman> but then I didnt read alot further blah blah  shame on me
[08:12] <nalioth> Linuxmaster: sure you can, use it for storage
[08:15] <kkathman> hmm booting from a USB..interesting concept...I think IBM does that on some of their machines in fact
[08:16] <nalioth> kkathman: most newer vintage machines support it
[08:17] <kkathman> right...but I believe you have to include it when you set up things in the BIOS...i.e. the sequence of bootable devices
[08:20] <nalioth> kkathman: up on your alias?
[08:22] <kkathman> The TV show?
[08:23] <nalioth> kkathman: the alias in you
[08:24] <slicslak> what is the package name for the win32 codecs for mplayer?
[08:24] <nalioth> ubotu: tell slicslak about w32deb
[08:25] <Blissex> Linuxmaster: USB external hard drives are not very reliable. But Firewire ones are much better, especially if they have Oxford Semiconductor chipsets
[08:25] <kkathman> nalioth: you mean aliasing a long command using a smal one kind of thing right?
[08:26] <kkathman> The only time I would use an ext USB drive is for backup or recovery purposes
[08:26] <nalioth> kkathman: yes, it's quite addictive
[08:26] <kkathman> but others may disagree
[08:26] <kkathman> yah hehe
[08:27] <kkathman> the only one I have is "gh"
[08:31] <Cenuij> heyas, could someone point me at a mirros where i can grab some packages?
[08:31] <Cenuij> mirror*
[08:31] <kkathman> oh wait I forgot I have ulb too.  gh = go home = cd /~  and ulb is cd /usr/local/bin :)
[08:32] <nalioth> kkathman: did you know "cd" takes you home?
[08:32] <kkathman> yah
[08:33] <kkathman> if you arent at root I guess
[08:34] <kkathman> but I can see if you are a big command line guru using pipes and the like, aliases would be much more useful
[08:35] <nalioth> kkathman: aliases are supposed to save you typing
[08:36] <kkathman> right exactly..thats why I say that a command line guru that uses all those things could really make use of aliases :)
[08:36] <nalioth> for instance, "alias build=./cofigure && make && sudo checkinstall" get me 3 commands and a built deb for 5 letters and an enter key
[08:36] <kkathman> excellent example :)
[08:45] <tvo> does anyone know how I can force konsole to reload .bash_profile?
[08:49] <slicslak> nalioth, thanks
[08:49] <nalioth> tvo: "source bash_profile"
[08:50] <tvo> nalioth: cool, thanks
[08:50] <nalioth> tvo: any text rc file(s) you want to be immediately taken notice of you can "source"
[08:57] <_master> hi someone can help me to configure samba
[08:57] <_master> i use kubuntu 5.10
[08:58] <_master> and when i put the adm pwd doesn't work why
[09:06] <kkathman> !samba
[09:06] <ubotu> samba is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[09:07] <indro> hi
[09:07] <indro> how i can hibernate from kde?
[09:10] <indro> ?
[09:10] <tvo> indro: laptop or desktop?
[09:10] <indro> laptop
[09:11] <tvo> then I don't know, there should be a klaptopdaemon which handles hibernation I think
[09:12] <tvo> though I have no laptop, so I'm just guessing
[09:14] <indro> its there, thx n'cya :)
[09:26] <bascht> Hey. Does anyone know why the <Alt>+<F2> Shortcut is broken in Kubuntu 5.10's Gnome-Installation?
[09:29] <kkathman> bascht: if you installed just kubuntu, you dont have gnome
[09:30] <kkathman> alt-f2 works fine in KDE tho
[09:31] <bascht> kthathman: It works fine in KDE, I know. But I also installed the Gnome-Desktop-Package. :)
[09:36] <nyarltep> sup fellas
[09:37] <nyarltep> i am happy un
[09:37] <nyarltep> ubuntu recognized my usb wifi device
[09:37] <at1as>
[09:37] <nyarltep> i switch from a live cd to a real intall
[09:38] <nyarltep> it loads webpages faster than my recent xp install
[09:39] <matrix> hi
[09:40] <matrix> is kaffeine's dvb tv part broken?
[09:40] <icewt> matrix: works fine for me
[09:40] <icewt> watching tv at the moment
[09:40] <matrix> icewt: i can scan channels but dont get all. one stations seems to be out of range.
[09:41] <matrix> so scanning runs infinite
[09:41] <matrix> i do stop scanning and add the rest of the channels
[09:41] <matrix> after klicking done kaffeine just hangs up
[09:42] <matrix> with the next kaffeine start up i can see the channels i found but they are greyed out
[09:42] <icewt> hmm.. strange. i guess it depends on the defined scanning range
[09:42] <icewt> ah, well, that's because you don't have kaffeine-xine installed
[09:42] <icewt> install it and select settings -> player engine -> xine
[09:44] <matrix> icewt thx allot
[09:44] <matrix> playback is choppy
[09:45] <icewt> you could look at settings -> xine engine parameters -> video -> and try different "Videodrivers". xv should be the best in most cases
[09:46] <matrix> just chose xv
[09:46] <matrix> still copy
[09:46] <matrix> sound is fluently
[09:46] <matrix> pictures complete no artefacts but half frame rate feeling
[09:48] <icewt> i got no sound until i installed gstreamer0.8-plugins - not sure what was needed of the packages it included though
[09:48] <icewt> but that's pretty much all i have done
[09:48] <matrix> sound is fine
[09:48] <matrix> when i choose nv it says can't init new Video Driver xv - using auto
[09:48] <matrix> hm
[09:49] <icewt> try player -> video -> turn deinterlacing off
[09:50] <icewt> i must say though that kaffeine takes over twice as much resources as vdr+gxine combination
[09:50] <icewt> for some reason kaffeine is a real resource hog when watching dvb
[10:01] <laszlok> where would i report a bug for systemsettings?
[10:07] <fatbrain> How can I avoid having to type ./executable?
[10:07] <Dark^Jedi> Hi folks, are there packages for OpenTTD in Kubuntu anywhere?
[10:07] <fatbrain> I just want to typ "executable"
[10:08] <|mp|> hi - suddenly there is extreme cpu use on my system...
[10:08] <|mp|> like kded using 20-30% cpu
[10:08] <|mp|> even kmix using 12%
[10:08] <|mp|> any ideas what could be causing this?
[10:08] <qatsi> hi all !...im having trubbles with LimeWire install, it says i need to have java 1.4.2 or higher, i do have 1.4.2, and when i do ./runLime.sh it displays an error saying that i dont have a valid JRE...any idea ?
[10:08] <|mp|>  7313 root      19   0 43780  24m 3188 R 50.2  6.7  10:15.49 Xorg
[10:09] <laszlok> fatbrain: what are you trying to run?
[10:09] <fatbrain> It's a tool I just downloaded
[10:09] <qatsi> anyone with the java install ?
[10:09] <laszlok> fatbrain: If the executable if in the current folder, you have to type ./executable, but if its in your path then you can just type executable
[10:10] <fatbrain> ok, thanks
[10:10] <qatsi> uhmm, anyone knows what to do with the java during LimeWire install ?
[10:12] <Dark^Jedi> Let me just try again - Anyone know of any packages for OpenTTD for Kubuntu?
[10:13] <laszlok> qatsi: type in the terminal "java -version" without the quotes
[10:14] <frank23> qatsi: the java you have now is probably the gnu java which is not a complete implementation
[10:14] <frank23> !java
[10:14] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[10:14] <frank23> !javadeb
[10:14] <ubotu> I heard javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[10:15] <qatsi> frank23: ok, maybe thats it, should i install JRE ?
[10:15] <qatsi> laszlok: i have version 1.4.2
[10:15] <frank23> qatsi: what is the complete last line of java -version?
[10:16] <qatsi> frank23: version 4.0.2 20050808
[10:16] <frank23> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) ?
[10:17] <frank23> if you want the latest java go here http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf
[10:17] <qatsi> frank23: gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
[10:17] <qatsi> frank23: yes, im already there, thanx :) nalioth managed to make me go there :p
[10:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> has anyone here successfully compiled the new ksmoothdock 3.6?
[10:17] <frank23> qatsi: ok
[10:18] <qatsi> should i download JRE or JSDK ?
[10:19] <laszlok> qatsiL SDK is the development kit
[10:19] <frank23> qatsi: jre is fine: java runtime environment
[10:19] <qatsi> laszlok frank23 thanx, ill donwload the jre :)
[10:20] <qatsi> brb
[10:25] <Strike4ce> How do I get into the command screen?
[10:25] <kkathman> Strike4ce: where are you now?
[10:25] <Strike4ce> lol I installed the official ati driver but there is a problem
[10:25] <slow-motion> n8
[10:26] <Strike4ce> screen is up but its all messed up
[10:26] <kkathman> Strike4ce: ok...so... try ctrl-alt-F1
[10:26] <kkathman> thats should take you to a console
[10:26] <kkathman> assuming you got to KDE :)
[10:27] <Strike4ce> I have the main page up and its blue but its all distorted
[10:27] <Strike4ce> I need to get out of it
[10:27] <kkathman> Strike4ce: so it looks like you got to KDE? Then hit ctrl-alt-F1 should take you to a console, if you can
[10:28] <Strike4ce> ok got it thanx
[10:29] <kkathman> great!
[10:30] <Strike4ce> I dont know what to do now?
[10:32] <matrix> re
[10:32] <matrix> so its now up and running, after i setup my fglrx driver
[10:32] <kkathman> Strike4ce: well you could go back to your working xorg.conf
[10:33] <Strike4ce> hmm maybe I need to uninstall the standard restricted modules
[10:33] <kkathman> Strike4ce: or try a different resolution
[10:33] <kkathman> was there something terribly wrong with the 1280 x 1024?
[10:33] <nalioth> VESA is always an option
[10:34] <kkathman> I prefer American Express myself, nalioth :)
[10:34] <nalioth> kkathman: ?
[10:35] <flixor> evening everybody
[10:35] <kkathman> hey flixor  :)
[10:36] <flixor> hya kkathman
[10:36] <kkathman> fedora is such a bloated install...I'd NEVER EVER use it again!
[10:36] <flixor> why did you use it in the firstplace kkathman :)
[10:36] <kkathman> flixor: I was trying distros, like we all do :)
[10:36] <libben> do we?
[10:37] <libben> i just tried two
[10:37] <nalioth> y'all dont be so hard on folks, redhat IS the most famous linux distro
[10:37] <libben> red hat and debian
[10:37] <nalioth> i started with it many many years ago
[10:37] <libben> and then ubuntu and then kubuntu
[10:37] <Strike4ce> does gdm stop x?
[10:37] <flixor> ehm, well this is my first distro and i stick with it
[10:37] <kkathman> flixor: I started with Red Hat 9 which was ok, but it didnt recognize some older hardware I had on some machines
[10:37] <flixor> kee, well everything is allmost good on this box
[10:37] <libben> i used redhat 5.6 i think it was.
[10:37] <libben> then debian
[10:37] <flixor> except for my promise dma controller
[10:38] <Strike4ce> How do I stop x?
[10:38] <flixor> wich i fix when i compiled the kernel
[10:38] <kkathman> because of that I trired FC4 and it was just bloated
[10:38] <kkathman> then I tried, Mandrake, Libranet and finally Ubuntu
[10:38] <kkathman> LIbranet was pretty kewl, but they had too many broken packages :(
[10:38] <Strike4ce> Can anyone tell me how to stop x?
[10:39] <kkathman> libben: I almost tried debian but stumbled on Ubuntu first
[10:39] <libben> debian the only choice if u really wanna be a true linux user =)
[10:40] <libben> and ubuntu/kubuntu falls under that to
[10:40] <kkathman> Strike4ce: try ctrl-alt-backspace
[10:40] <flixor> lol, well for me linux is linux they all got a / directory
[10:40] <flixor> :)
[10:40] <kkathman> haha flixor  :)
[10:41] <nalioth> Strike4ce: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:41] <Mars> Hi I have problem I installed BitTornado (and BitTorrent) by apt-get but now i dont know how to run it
[10:41] <nalioth> kkathman: ctrl-alt-backspace boomerangs X
[10:41] <kkathman> nalioth: sorry
[10:41] <raphink> Mars: the programs begin with bt
[10:41] <raphink> bttrack, btdownload, btdownloadgui
[10:41] <raphink> etc.
[10:41] <nalioth> Mars: open a console and type "btdownloadcurses file.torrent" or install bittornado-gui and use it instead
[10:42] <kkathman> nalioth: I never know where Strike4ce is on a screen
[10:42] <raphink> or get qtorrent ;)
[10:42] <Jeevan> anyone know of any programs that can record microphone input from console?
[10:42] <kkathman> or use the bit torrent on the K menu :)
[10:42] <nalioth> kkathman: not ktorrent, i hope
[10:43] <kkathman> nalioth: the one thats under K-menu, Internet
[10:46] <Mars> Intresting my liquid weather theme is not updateing weather
[10:48] <kkathman> I was into superkaramba for a while, but it tends to eat CPU cycles and warms the chip :)
[10:49] <nalioth> Mars: sometimes my weather applet doesnt update, either (the panel one)
[10:49] <nalioth> kkathman: chip warming works well in the winter
[10:49] <icewt> it's good taking for "cool" screenshots but that's about it ;)
[10:52] <kkathman> nalioth: lol. My chip was much warmer than I like it.  I had to take the sides of and put an external fan on :(
[10:54] <Losdow> hi, i just installed the kubuntu desktop package from gnome, and restarted, the kde login screen came up but once i login the gnome-look returns. Theres a lot of new stash in my menus though. Do i need to disable gnome somehow? I switched to kdm in the installation.
[10:55] <foampeace> hello
[10:55] <nalioth> kkathman: Losdow in sessions, you choose "kde"
[10:55] <nalioth> Losdow: at the login screen
[10:55] <foampeace> hello
[10:56] <Losdow> ok ill try
[10:56] <foampeace> can someone tell me how kcrom works? does it do its own thing or is under control by the cron services?
[10:56] <foampeace> kcron
[10:56] <foampeace> i wonder if kde would change its name sounds like gayde
[10:56] <Strike4ce> howdo I start my old configuration?
[10:57] <LeeJunFan> w!ngchun
[10:57] <kkathman> Strike4ce: did you copy your old xorg.conf back?
[10:57] <kkathman> hey LeeJunFan  :)
[10:57] <LeeJunFan> kkathman:
[10:57] <foampeace> so i was wondering about kcron...would kron just put them into cron services? i have cron execute xmms everyday
[10:57] <Losdow> nice! thanks for the help
[10:58] <foampeace> where would the cron info settings be shown on the filesystem
[10:58] <Strike4ce> yes
[10:58] <kkathman> foampeace: you can view them in kcron
[10:59] <foampeace> kkathman: ya i know, just wondering where the configuration isin the filesystem
[10:59] <kkathman> oh... hmm..no clue
[10:59] <Strike4ce> how do I start from the old xorg.conf file?
[11:00] <kkathman> foampeace: look under /etc  lots of cron stuff there
[11:00] <kkathman> Strike4ce: did you copy it back?
[11:00] <foampeace> kkathman: ya i thought to look there but saw nothing
[11:00] <Strike4ce> what do you mean?
[11:01] <Strike4ce> i probably need to uninstall the official ati driver
[11:01] <kkathman> Strike4ce: rm the old file, then cp the old
[11:01] <kkathman> oops
[11:02] <kkathman> Strike4ce:  you named your old file like xorg.conf-old right?
[11:02] <kkathman> remember copying that?
[11:02] <Strike4ce> yes
[11:02] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: so you like that? That little blurb I just typed in up there that seemed to make no sense?
[11:02] <kkathman> ok so... right now you have your current xorg.conf that isnt working right?
[11:03] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: its ok...I know you meant well :)
[11:03] <Strike4ce> yes kkathman
[11:03] <Strike4ce> its up
[11:03] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: well, that's because of active window follows mouse, I typed my damn root password in the wrong window :D hahah, nothing like giving your root away on IRC.
[11:03] <kkathman> Strike4ce: so... you need to rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf  (the one that doesnt work)
[11:04] <kkathman> Strike4ce: then cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf-old /etc/X11/xorg.conf   (to use your backup)
[11:05] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: yeah :D well it WAS the passwd,for about 2 seconds after that.
[11:05] <kkathman> lol
[11:05] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: could be worse, I could have rm -rf /
[11:05] <LeeJunFan> or mkswap /dev/hda
[11:05] <kkathman> true that...or done a /msg nickserv identify in the channel
[11:05] <LeeJunFan> heheh.
[11:07] <LeeJunFan> I did that once, cd /tmp then rm -rf *, only I typoed on the cd and didn't pay attention to the error, left me in the last dir I was in (/), so I rm -rf'ed /, I noticed it right after I started but not before it wiped out /etc on a mailserver with about 5000 clients.
[11:07] <LeeJunFan> that was a fun night.
[11:08] <foampeace> anyone know where kcron stores its config files?
[11:09] <kkathman> lol LeeJunFan  thats one mistake you ONLY make once
[11:09] <foampeace> i need to learn cron
[11:09] <LeeJunFan> The system was of course pretty much a loss with plenty of files missing all over, but /var/spool/mail was spared, so I ripped the HD out of the primary mailserver and threw it in a standby and mounted /var/spool/mail off the hold HD :)
[11:09] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: you bet.
[11:09] <kkathman> foampeace: just use kcron..it works great
[11:09] <foampeace> it didnt really
[11:09] <kkathman> foampeace: why?? its great!!
[11:09] <foampeace> kkathman: it was supposed to wake me up with xmms
[11:10] <kkathman> you put in what you want to do and then set the times and the interface is very easy
[11:10] <kkathman> foampeace: was crond running on your system?
[11:10] <foampeace> 2 days in a row...the xmms wouldnt start to wake me up...how do you explain this to an employer if i had one heh
[11:11] <icewt> i think xmms has it's own alarm function (?)
[11:11] <kkathman> well personally I'd get an alarm clock that was battery operated :)
[11:11] <foampeace> well i didnt phone in because my cron daemon wasnt on...dont fire me
[11:12] <icewt> xmms-alarm
[11:12] <foampeace> icewt: ya that didnt work either
[11:12] <kkathman> hmm Im seeing a bigger problem here then
[11:13] <foampeace> di wonder if it has to do with the screensaver or a conflict with streamtuner...i put streamtuner on at night and the alarm to go off for the morning
[11:13] <foampeace> kkathman: does crond show as cron?
[11:13] <kkathman> yes that was a typo :)
[11:13] <kkathman> sorry bout that
[11:14] <foampeace> then its there
[11:14] <foampeace> can i test it for today?
[11:14] <kkathman> sure
[11:14] <kkathman> why not
[11:15] <Strike4ce> ok time for another reinstall
[11:15] <foampeace>  is this the way i execute it in kcron ?xmms audioslave.pls
[11:15] <foampeace> kron only does in 5 min intervals
[11:15] <kkathman> foampeace: so you wanna wake up at 7:58?
[11:16] <Strike4ce> what is the command to start kde?
[11:16] <foampeace> no matter..im just testing so i have to wait 5 mins to see if it works
[11:16] <kkathman> oh  haha... yah 5 mins
[11:18] <kkathman> Strike4ce: I think its kdeinit
[11:19] <foampeace> why does it sound like gayde
[11:19] <foampeace> how bout a new name
[11:20] <foampeace> lets think of a new one
[11:20] <foampeace> what does kde stand for
[11:20] <icewt> k desktop environment
[11:20] <foampeace> kkathman: xmms didnt go off
[11:21] <foampeace> i must not be doing it right
[11:21] <foampeace> does kcron have to be open?
[11:24] <foampeace> reading handbook
[11:25] <qos> hey guys ...
[11:26] <qos> i ve got two new kubuntu machines, one is my desktop one is my server... how can i easiliy work from my desktop with the GUI from the server?
[11:27] <kkathman> foampeace:  hmmm
[11:27] <kkathman> foampeace: no kcron shouldnt have to be open
[11:27] <kkathman> the cron process has to be running
[11:28] <izut> qos: You can use Xnest and open a remote desktop there.
[11:28] <qos> how to do this?
[11:29] <kkathman> foampeace: may be a dumb question but you DID save the crontab right?
[11:30] <kkathman> i.e. you went to File --> Save ?
[11:30] <foampeace> cront didnt go off again hmmm
[11:30] <foampeace> i saved yes
[11:31] <foampeace> maybe i have to run as root
[11:31] <foampeace> how can user edit etc files
[11:32] <kkathman> no you dont have to run as root
[11:32] <kkathman> there are some suggestions in the help
[11:33] <nalioth> qos: use xforwarding
[11:33] <nalioth> izut: why xnest? xforwarding is built into the xserver
[11:34] <izut> nalioth: Dunno xforwarding.
[11:34] <nalioth> izut: it's a basic feature of X
[11:34] <nalioth> no extra proggys needed
[11:35] <izut> You mean: export DISPLAY=$REMOTE_HOST:0 ?
[11:36] <foampeace> kkathman: ya the help doesnt say much
[11:36] <nalioth> izut: i mean enable xforwrding in your ssh config on teh server and start an x session over ssh from the client
[11:36] <kkathman> foampeace: ok...well Im stumped then...cuz it should work
[11:36] <izut> nalioth: I thought he wanted both desktops at same time like rdesktop or vnc...
[11:37] <foampeace> kkathman: im trying without the run every day option
[11:37] <nalioth> qos appears asleep at this time, anyway
[11:42] <foampeace> the kcron command works, but it does not execute at the scheduled time
[11:42] <foampeace> maybe it has to do with the cron daemon itself
[11:44] <zoldar> hello, does anybody know, from where can I get msttcorefonts package? I doesn't seem to be available even in universe/multiverse ...?
[11:45] <nalioth> !info msttcorefonts
[11:45] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
[11:45] <nalioth> zoldar: look again, please
[11:45] <zoldar> ok thanks
[11:45] <kkathman> nalioth: you type so fast :)
[11:45] <nalioth> kkathman: i'm an advanced AI
[11:45] <kkathman> foampeace: if you think there is a bug, you can report it at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:46] <kkathman> nalioth: yes I know :)
[11:48] <foampeace> kkathman: do you know how to start and stop the cron daemon?
[11:48] <kkathman> foampeace: why do you want to do that?
[11:49] <kkathman> cron is designed to start once and run forever
[11:49] <foampeace> kkathman: i mean restart it
[11:49] <foampeace> no restart?
[11:50] <kkathman> there are no parameters for cron that I know of
[11:50] <kkathman> foampeace: you can have cron re-read its crontab I think with crontab -e  or something like that
[11:52] <kkathman> you might try crontab -l to see if your job is there tho
[11:57] <foampeac1> trying gcrontab
[11:59] <mth`MAW> Good night
[11:59] <rysiek> hello guys
[11:59] <rysiek> anybody here? :)
[12:00] <nalioth> rysiek: no we're all in alaska, watching the whales