[09:53] <kc2bez> guiverc: Blog post is up for Groovy Testing https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-20-10-groovy-gorilla-beta-testing/
[09:54] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez, hadn't seen the ML, but who knows when...
[09:55] <kc2bez> I think we are safe to announce it.
[10:01] <guiverc> I concur 100%
[10:02] <guiverc> discourse link is https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-20-10-groovy-gorilla-beta-testing/1609   (only add is at bottom with "Official notice can be found here) & link to your blog post
[10:03] <kc2bez> Excellent! Thanks guiverc
[10:04] <guiverc> thank you kc2bez
[18:12] <wxl> i do NOT get this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1895329
[18:13] <wxl> it's only in lubuntu… but not reproducible in virtual machines…. oh wait, no it affects ubuntu and xubuntu, too…. err, now it's fixed… nevermind that
[18:15] <wxl> i guess it's really only applicable to a real rare circumstance: someone wanting to use a live usb with persistence
[18:21] <wxl> any new news on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1886148 ?
 Took me a bit to read through that. I had started it this morning but didn't get a chance to finish before I left for work.


[08:20] <tobias-urdin> jamespage: if I could trouble you, when you have a second I would appreciate your feedback related to packaging in https://github.com/gnocchixyz/gnocchi/pull/1312
[08:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Pull 1312 in gnocchixyz/gnocchi "Use pbr rather than direct easy install" [Open]
[08:43] <jamespage> tobias-urdin: feedback provided but I really don't think that will be any problem
[08:49] <tobias-urdin> jamespage: thanks!
[15:37]  * bittin_working is installing some Debian and Ubuntu Server at work atm
[17:56] <Odd_Bloke> Hey folks, does anyone know a way that I could detect an `ffmpeg` process starting on my system and take an action on it?  (Specifically, I'm transcoding my entire library to take up less space, but I'd like to suspend that process if any _other_ ffmpeg process starts, because that activity is definitely higher-priority.)
[18:09] <JanC> Odd_Bloke: maybe starting the transcoding process with idle priority is enough?
[18:15] <Odd_Bloke> JanC: The process is nice'd, but I still see issues unfortunately.
[18:53] <sarnold> Odd_Bloke: maybe schedtool to set it into batch? my next idea is much less fun :) -- fiddle around with filtering execsnoop-bpfcc output to do what you want, or modify execsnoop.bt to issue the kill / freeze commands directly when needed
[18:53] <JanC> Odd_Bloke: idle has lower priority than what you can do with nice (see 'man chrt')
[18:54] <JanC> or schedtool indeed
[18:55] <JanC> I think schedtool isn't installed by default though?
[18:57] <sarnold> oh, hah
[19:00] <sarnold> .. I looked through the kernel sources for SCHED_IDLEPRIO, because that's what's mentioned in schedtool(8). Nothing. But there is a SCHED_IDLE, which is what's referenced in chrt(1)
[19:19] <JanC> BTW: even if you have a way to detect that two ffmpeg processes are running, it might not be simple to detect what ffmpeg process needs suspending
[19:20] <JanC> unless you look at its command line maybe
[19:24] <sarnold> /proc/pid/stat field starttime is the usual way to try to disambiguate multiple processes
[19:24] <JanC> but that still leaves a race condition :)
[19:25] <JanC> it might start transcoding the next file just after the other ffmpeg process starts
[19:31] <sarnold> mm true
[19:44] <znf> Assuming you are transcoding on the GPU, you can't "nice" that
[19:45] <JanC> that might be another issue indeed
[19:45] <JanC> znf: you can't "nice" it or you would have to do it differently?
[19:47] <znf> if you "nice" it, you only "nice" the CPU part
[19:47] <znf> but if you do it on the GPU... :)
[19:48] <JanC> I meant: is there a GPU task scheduler
[19:48] <JanC> or something like that; a way to set priorities for GPU tasks
[19:49] <znf> only for *some* CUDA loads, as far as I know
[19:52] <znf> basically: https://stackoverflow.com/a/6319289/2259612
[20:03] <Odd_Bloke> I'm encoding on the CPU, so not a problem for me.
[20:03] <znf> assuming he does those processes in a loop, he could write a flock and then check the pid of the script/loop
[20:06] <Odd_Bloke> And, yeah, the to-be-stopped ffmpeg process is easily identifiable: it's running in a Docker container, so I can just `pkill --signal STOP ffmpeg` within that container.
[20:06] <sarnold> woot
[20:07] <Odd_Bloke> And yeah, the race condition is a possibility, but as the transcodes are taking 12+ hours each, I won't have too many opportunities to hit it. :p
[20:08] <Odd_Bloke> JanC: Aha, thanks, I'll try `chrt` out!
[20:09] <Odd_Bloke> (One wrinkle is that I'm not launching the ffmpeg processes myself, but a cron which just `chrt`s would be a much easier solution to this problem!)
[20:09] <sarnold> you could chrt the docker that launches it?
[20:10] <sarnold> scheduling classes are inherited across forks
[20:10] <JanC> by default, at least
[20:19] <Odd_Bloke> Hmm, well a quick test suggests that idle priority still interferes with a streaming transcode session, unfortunately.
[20:20] <sarnold> :( dang I liked that idea
[20:21] <Odd_Bloke> `chrt --idle -a -p 0 3734540` <-- after adding `-a` (so that the tasks actually doing the work were also changed) it did make a difference, if I wasn't operating with quite so little headroom for live transcodes it would probably have been sufficient
[20:21] <Odd_Bloke> But alas
[20:35] <JanC> it's probably easier to just run the transcode with chrt ("chrt -i 0 ffmpeg"), but if it doesn't work...


[07:40] <jtv> bigjools, up for a pre-imp?
[07:42] <bigjools> jtv: sure
[07:43] <jtv> Thanks. Calling...
[07:44] <bigjools> distinct lack of notifications from google
[07:44] <jtv> Wait till the call is over... everything will start ringing.
[08:31] <gmb> jtv: I’ve fixed https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/mipf-understands-blobs/+merge/220380 per your excellent review. Thanks!
[08:50] <jtv> gmb: did your diff just shrink radically or is it just the contrast to that big branch I've been looking at?
[08:51] <gmb> jtv: Contrast, I’m sure.
[08:54] <jtv> gmb, one unaddressed note: shouldn't the "keyring" parameter to download_boot_resources now be "keyring_file" or somesuch?
[08:54] <jtv> (Also, the docstring for download_all_boot_resources still documents "now")
[08:55] <gmb> jtv: Good catch (on both counts).
[09:08] <rvba> jtv: I'll review your remove-storage-setting branch.
[09:10] <jtv> Thanks.
[09:14] <rvba> jtv: why didn't you get rid of the config items (ConfigTFTP.resource_root and ConfigBoot.storage) completely?
[09:15] <jtv> rvba: because I didn't want to be too radical.  I haven't looked into whether some weirdo out there might tweak the TFTP setting without tweaking the storage location.
[09:16] <jtv> That's for the TFTP one.
[09:16] <jtv> I didn't remove the one from bootresources.yaml because AFAIR that would just raise "unknown configuration item" errors in existing installations.
[09:17] <rvba> Right, good point.
[09:17] <rvba> It's a bit messy to leave unused config items like that but I guess we don't really have a choice.
[09:23] <jtv> For the one in bootresources.yaml I console myself with the file's impending doom.
[10:24] <jtv> gmb: should we now pass "sources" instead of "config" to the import code?  The answer may differ for the command-line script and the Celery task...
[10:27] <gmb> jtv: I’m working on that now. At the moment I’m still passing “config” – and trusting to the defaults in BootConfig to ensure that missing keys get filled in – but I think that the best thing to do as you say is pass “sources” to import_images.
[10:27] <gmb> jtv: In fact, the only other thing that import_images uses directly from config[‘boot’] is ‘storage’, and that’s dead or dying, right?
[10:27] <jtv> Dead.
[10:27] <gmb> Wewt.
[10:28] <jtv> So we _could_ just demand yaml for a list of sources.
[10:28] <gmb> Yep.
[10:28] <gmb> And that makes life much easier all round, actually.
[10:28] <jtv> Of course if we then come back and add a new config option, we can't squeeze it into the list of sources.
[10:28] <gmb> Mmm.
[10:29] <gmb> jtv: I’m tempted to say YAGNI. We want to do away with the direct run anyway, and all the configuration is about where to get stuff from and how to validate it.
[10:29] <jtv> Agreed.
[10:29] <gmb> Cool.
[10:30] <gmb> jtv: Do you need that change (config->sources) for your current branch?
[10:30] <jtv> gmb: I can do either way, but  obviously to have it would be easier.  I'm giong for lunch first though.
[10:32] <gmb> jtv: I can get my branch up for review whilst you’re at lunch, with that change in place.
[10:32] <jtv> Perfect.
[10:35] <gmb> jtv: Ah, actually, scratch that… for me to make that change I’d have to essentially do what you’re doing now
[10:35] <gmb> (re: storage)
[10:35] <gmb> Oh, or is that branch in review?
[10:36] <jtv> Mine?  No.
[10:36] <jtv> The one that removes the storage setting is already landed.
[10:37] <gmb> Ah, cool.
[10:38] <gmb> jtv: So, yes, I’ll go ahead whilst you lunch :)
[10:38] <jtv> Very well.
[11:24] <AskUbuntu> how to find out what versions of maas maas-dns and maas-dhcp from terminal | http://askubuntu.com/q/470575
[11:28] <gmb> jtv: Branch is up here: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/config-becomes-sources/+merge/220621
[11:28] <gmb> Feels oddly lightweight for some reason, but I’m perhaps being paranoid.
[11:47]  * gmb lunches
[12:07] <jtv> gmb: approved, with thanks.
[12:07] <jtv> Correction:
[12:07] <jtv> "I'm terribly sorry, but I have taken the liberty to approve your branch.  Sorry!"
[12:39] <rvba> Anyone up for a tiny packaging review? https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/add-pexpect/+merge/220630
[13:10] <gmb> jtv: Haha. I’m terribly sorry to have troubled you with the review, and intensely grateful that you were able to take the time out of your day :)
[13:11] <jtv> gmb: to be honest, I wasn't so much apologising as establishing that your time was a consideration which wouldn't have been overridden without compelling need.
[13:12] <gmb> jtv: How about we both just be grateful and move on… the English stand-off, as allenap will tell you, isn’t conducive to actually doing anything.
[13:13] <jtv> Right ho.
[13:13] <jtv> "Don't ask to ask.  Don't apologise for apologising."
[13:22] <rick_h_> I've been listenting to the tale of two cities on audible and would greatly admire if the two gentlemen could use an older and much prouder form of english to express such congenial discourse and gratitudes.
[13:25] <jtv> Thou art full of the unmentionable.
[13:26] <rick_h_> hah
[13:29] <rvba> gmb: I thought this was called a "Canadian Standoff."
[13:30] <jtv> eh?
[13:30] <gmb> rvba: In Amerkiy, sure. But we’re in Europe now, old boy.
[13:31] <rvba> heh
[13:32] <rick_h_> Amerkiy?
[13:32] <rick_h_> really?
[13:55] <gmb> rvba, allenap, jtv: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/celery-pass-blob-to-mipf/+merge/220650 could do with a review if you have a few minutes.
[13:55] <jtv> I have one up as well.
[13:57] <rvba> jtv: you do gmb's, I'll do yours… deal?
[13:59] <jtv> rvba: yup, was already doing it.
[13:59] <jtv> Constructive sabotage: review somebody's branch to stop the next reviewer to come along from doing theirs before yours.
[14:09] <rvba> -rw-r--r-- 2 root root  23M May 22 14:04 boot-initrd
[14:09] <rvba> -rw-r--r-- 3 root root 5.6M May 22 14:04 boot-kernel
[14:09] <rvba> -rw-r--r-- 2 root root  19M May 22 14:04 di-initrd
[14:09] <rvba> -rw-r--r-- 3 root root 5.6M May 22 14:04 di-kernel
[14:09] <rvba> -rw-r--r-- 2 root root 1.4G May 22 14:03 root-image
[14:09] <rvba> -rw-r--r-- 2 root root 301M May 22 14:04 root-tgz
[14:09] <rvba> allenap: ^
[14:09] <rvba> This is uncompressed.
[14:09] <rvba> allenap: ~400Mb compressed.
[14:09] <allenap> rvba: Cool, ta.
[14:11] <jtv> allenap: ls isn't going to tell you the right sizes for sparse files
[14:12] <jtv> tbh I don't even know whether wc will...
[14:16] <jtv> rvba: not seeing your inline comments...
[14:16] <rvba> o_O
[14:17] <jtv> Ouch.  They're in the email but not in the MP.
[14:17] <rvba> jtv: could it be that you pushed a new revision *after* I published them?
[14:17] <rvba> In which case you need to use the dropdown at the top of th diff.
[14:18] <jtv> Ah.  I pushed an update _before_ you posted, but apparently _after_ you loaded the page.
[14:18] <jtv> (Just changing "path" to "url")
[14:18] <rvba> Right.
[15:23] <rvba> gmb: I'm investigating a problem in the lab where the import script fails to import images and I spotted a warning in celery's log:
[15:23] <rvba> [2014-05-22 15:20:59,515: WARNING/Worker-4] Both a keyring file and keyring data were specified; ignoring the keyring file.
[15:24] <rvba> gmb: looks related to the recent changes ^
[15:24] <rvba> gmb: I suspect keyring_data = '' was used instead of the filename.
[15:29] <gmb> rvba: Yeah, I’ve seen it too; it’s because the default value is an empty string. I’ll tweak it.
[15:46] <rvba> gmb: matsubara filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1322256
[15:46] <gmb> k
[16:16] <hamed> I am on maas 1.5.1+bzr2269 using Dell servers as nodes. Their powertype doesn't get detected. They are mostly poweredge 850,2850 and 1850. Manually starting the node will finish the commissioning but then JuJu can't start services on those nodes.
[16:44] <gmb> rvba: This should fix that bug: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/tweak/+merge/220689
[16:48] <gmb> allenap: Thanks for the review.
[16:49] <allenap> gmb: I got there in the end.
[16:52] <gmb> allenap: It took me lots of back-and-forth to confirm that that fix actually did what I thought it did.
[16:52] <gmb> So you weren’t alone :)
[17:00]  * gmb -> done for the day
[17:00] <gmb> See you tomorrow folks.
[17:02] <jtv> nn gmb
[17:52] <AskUbuntu> Cannot Download Charm From juju-gui | http://askubuntu.com/q/470730
[20:04] <lazyPower> Low hanging fruit for anybody that can lend a hand with MAAS networking - identified that this guy's setup stems from nodes not having network connectivity, where the master does  - it may be VMAAS instead of MAAS, unsure of topology: http://askubuntu.com/questions/469848/cant-deploy-wordpress/469852?noredirect=1#comment623061_469852
[20:30] <phillw> hi good people, setting up a VM with MaaS 14.04 on a static IPv4 machine. Once I have finished the ubuntu server install sequence and edited the interface / gateway files (I can do that.. quite easy). How do I get the install to finish fully?
[22:02] <phillw> Hi good people.... Using the ubuntu 14.04 server ISO and selecting MaaS install, it is incapable of handling a static ipV4 on a VM ? Any ideas?
[22:20] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS MAAS boot fails on fresh install on a Dell 2950 | http://askubuntu.com/q/470823


[08:01] <stormmore> happy new year to all the workaholics ;-)
[18:33] <rick_h> stormmore: so you can have multiple regions in a single juju controller
[18:33] <rick_h> stormmore: but each model needs to be in a specific region
[18:33] <rick_h> stormmore: but when you run add-model you can specify a different region
[18:34] <stormmore> rick_h: I get that, I am just thinking from a single management interface
[18:34] <stormmore> rick_h: like aws zones
[18:34] <rick_h> stormmore: I see, yea not sure. I've not used multiple regions in MAAS
[18:35] <stormmore> looking to save having to setup "new" clouds each time I setup a new data center location


[00:03] <asac> i wish i could finally upgrade to intrepid :)
[00:03] <fta> asac, why ? and why can't you ?
[00:06] <asac> still 8.04.1
[00:06] <asac> voluntold
[00:06] <asac> ;)
[00:07] <asac> fta: the prism build system ... whats the sate?
[00:07] <asac> state
[00:07] <asac> is it usable for other xul apps already?
[00:09] <fta> i don't remember where i left it. i changed the build system for the new mozclient
[00:09] <fta> i pushed my last changes with a comment "It's still a work-in-progress"
[00:11] <asac> fta: is latest build system in prism branch?
[00:11] <asac> or somewhere else?
[00:12] <fta> it's in, but still not called. I needed to finish updating the packaging 1st, but i was in a hurry, so i committed that as it was.. then i forgot to return to it
[00:13] <asac> k
[00:13] <asac> ill look at it briefly now ;)
[00:14] <asac> where is prism maintained?
[00:15] <asac> we use full-source bzr trees for it?
[00:15] <asac> my setting up a sync or something
[00:15] <asac> s/my/by/
[00:17] <asac> fta: can you set mozillateam as driver for prism project in LP?
[00:17] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/prism
[00:18] <fta> done
[00:18] <asac> thx
[00:19] <asac> fta: http://svn.mozilla.org/projects/webrunner/trunk/ thats the tree?
[00:19] <fta> damn, DebianImportFreeze next week; so soon
[00:19] <fta> yes
[00:20] <asac> fta: well. given that debian is in essential freeze already, I dont think its a great loss
[00:21] <fta> there are tons of merges pending, noone seems interested
[00:23] <asac> fta: yeah we got harangued about that just in the meeting :)
[00:24] <fta> asac, as for prism, let me finish the build system and put the package back in shape. if you want to help, i'd prefer you spend your time on the missing bits (desktop env and such)
[00:24] <asac> fta: yeah ... i want to get that build system ripped out somehow
[00:25] <asac> wonder how that can be best achieved
[00:25] <fta> ripped out ?
[00:25] <asac> shipped independent in a way that xul apps that need mozilla build system can just be build without duplicating it
[00:26] <fta> could be part of xul sdk
[00:26] <asac> rememeber that windows folks dont really have a concept of -dev packages ... so xul apps usually will build in full xulrunner source
[00:26] <asac> we dont want that obviously
[00:26] <asac> fta: thats my idea
[00:27] <asac> the lamest answer would be to ship it as a bzr directory tarred up or something in /usr/share/xulrunner-devel-1.9/
[00:27] <asac> or we just provide it as a merge base in bzr
[00:28] <asac> fta: we could also ship it just as a directory tree ... and provide cdbs like make rules that do the magic
[00:28] <asac> like copying over the configure :(
[00:29] <asac> i face(d) the same problem with enigmail
[00:29] <asac> but never really came to fixing it
[00:30] <fta> it's a mess atm. we need most of build/* and config/* but those files are heavily dependents on variables from configure.. and configure is project specific
[00:30] <asac> yeah
[00:30] <asac> but thats how it is :)
[00:30] <asac> maybe we can do some magic so build/ and config/ reside somewhere else :)
[00:31] <asac> fta: what is still project specific in configure?
[00:32] <asac> i see that you need to patch configure if you need new build deps
[00:33] <asac> fta: anyway. lets first get the initial build system ready in prism
[00:33] <fta> there are far too many deps in the main configure
[00:34] <asac> fta: but arent the normal deps that xulapps need more or less fixed?
[00:34] <fta> and some deps are missing too, for ex clucene if we xulify flock
[00:36] <fta> or media / media-core if we xulify songbird
[00:36] <asac> i think we work for 3.1 here. so we could help improving the main configure.in if that is what we really want
[00:37] <asac> xul apps could provide .m4 files or something
[00:37] <fta> and why would all those xulapps need to drag gnome, gtk, hal/dbus and friends ?
[00:37] <asac> if they need non-default deps
[00:39] <asac> fta: do you have a built biuld-tree on your disk?
[00:39] <fta> eh?
[00:40] <asac> fta: i think the base requirements of xulrunner are ok to be dragged in
[00:40] <asac> OTOH ... hmm
[00:41] <fta> prism used to have no binary to build at all (before 0.9), build-deps were really small
[00:45] <asac> fta: please run a find -type d on dist/include/ in a build tree
[00:45] <asac> why is our top level include dir of xulrunner not structured like that?
[00:46] <asac> thats one of the requirements to allow mozilla build system to include headers dependeing on REQUIRES in Makefile.in for instance
[00:47] <asac> fta: is it that we deliberately replace that directory after make install with a link ... or is that structure not shipped at all by make install?
[00:47] <fta> that's not one of our changes, it's the default make install
[00:48] <asac> right ... i knew that they do some linking ... but i think we do _more_ linking somewhere
[00:48] <asac> or is it just the bin/ directory that we re-linked?
[00:48] <asac> but good
[00:49] <asac> we probably should look into it. /usr/include/ hierarchy should stay like now though as its much better for pkg-config style build systems that way
[09:58] <fta> asac, strange, all my intrepid builds failed yesterday: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[09:58] <fta> asac, but they are fine locally
[09:59] <asac> fta: flock succeeded 7 h ago
[09:59] <fta> nope, it's hardy
[09:59] <asac> ah
[10:01] <fta> quilt?
[10:01] <asac> fta: maybe ... or maybe the tarball is empty?
[10:01] <asac> fta: consider to push the retry button
[10:02] <asac> hmm ... only /dev/null patches failed, right?
[10:02] <asac> fta: maybe your .diff.gz contains the removal of those?
[10:08] <fta> it's something else: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15421359/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1~a1~hg20080618r15424%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:09] <Wellark> asac: ping
[10:09] <Wellark> I'm not working on nm 0.7 directly. atleast not at the moment
[10:10] <Wellark> I'm creating mobile broadband configuration assistant for NM, see www.kaijanmaki.net/blog for more information
[10:13] <Wellark> I'm doing standalone development currently, but NM integration begins on week 30
[10:21] <asac> Wellark: so you are Antii ?
[10:21] <Wellark> asac: yes.
[10:21] <asac> Wellark: great to meet you!
[10:22] <Wellark> happy to meet you, too!
[10:22] <asac> Wellark: how can we leverage your configuration assistant?
[10:22] <asac> e.g. how does it play together with NM 0.7
[10:23] <Wellark> it's supposed to be integrated with NM 0.7 starting from week 30
[10:23] <asac> Wellark: so upstream?
[10:23] <Wellark> yes.
[10:23] <asac> in Dan's svn?
[10:23] <asac> oh cool
[10:24] <asac> Wellark: what state is it?
[10:24] <asac> is it backend only or UI too?
[10:24] <Wellark> I'm working with the UI currently.
[10:24] <Wellark> it's still in heavy developement
[10:25] <Wellark> there is nothing you can test, yet.
[10:25] <asac> Wellark: oka
[10:25] <asac> y
[10:26] <fta> asac, it's no longer moving to build-tree for embedded tarballs. seems like a cdbs issue
[10:27] <Wellark> asac: after couple of weeks there will be a test run of the assistant itself, without NM..
[10:28] <fta> asac, nope, quilt. I have 0.46-4.1, the builder has 0.46-5
[10:29] <asac> Wellark: so its a standalone application right now?
[10:30] <asac> fta: yeah.
[10:30] <Wellark> asac: yes, because of the early state of development
[10:31] <asac> Wellark: is there a feature document or roadmap?
[10:32] <asac> projectplan?
[10:32] <asac> (found th elink)
[10:33] <Wellark> project plan is downloadable through my blog (there's link on side panel)
[10:33] <Wellark> Appendix B has the development schedule
[10:37] <Wellark> and then there is this site: http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/MobileBroadband
[10:38] <asac> Wellark: so will the assistant also cover "update/modify" config use-case or just "new" config?
[10:40] <asac> otherwise looks great
[10:40] <Wellark> update/modify will be done using the standard connection editor
[10:41] <fta> debian bug 485835
[10:41] <asac> will yo uallow the user to select whether he has a flatrate subscription so NM can auto roam to 3g?
[10:41] <Wellark> this assistant only provides an easy and automated way of filling the needed information
[10:41] <asac> Wellark: ok
[10:41] <asac> Wellark: imo the facilities should also be included in the connection editor panel
[10:41] <asac> e.g. selecting providers by country
[10:42] <Wellark> well, that's one possibility.
[10:44] <asac> fta: so that change breaks tarball.mk builds?
[10:44] <fta> yes, badly
[10:44] <asac> does cdbs use DEB_SRCDIR?
[10:44] <fta> we do
[10:45] <fta> debian bug 485142
[10:45] <fta> debian bug 485163
[10:46] <fta> lol
[10:46] <asac> debian is down
[10:46] <asac> i cannot get the mbox thing
[10:47] <fta> * patchsys-quilt.mk: don't try to apply patches in $(DEB_SRCDIR) but in
[10:47] <fta>     current directory. This is best for compatibility with the upcoming "3.0
[10:47] <fta>     (quilt)" source package format and the two only packages which are
[10:47] <fta>     affected by this change have already been fixed (see #485142, #485163).
[10:47] <fta>     Closes: #485835
[10:47] <asac> fta: we do?
[10:47] <asac> by accident?
[10:47] <fta> no, we need to for embedded tarballs
[10:47] <asac> yeah
[10:47] <asac> well its a cdbs thing i think
[10:48] <fta> yes
[10:48] <fta> patchsys-quilt.mk from quilt is a cdbs thing
[10:48] <fta> so now, we need to redo all our patches from curdir :(
[10:49] <asac> na
[10:49] <asac> thats a bug
[10:49] <fta> that's bullshit :(
[10:49] <asac> i mean they breach cdbs
[10:49] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/quilt/0.46-5
[10:51] <asac> fta: can you paste the new patchsys-quilt.mk somwhere?
[10:51] <fta> i need to update-n-break my chroot
[10:52] <asac> i think hte real fix is to add a new variable DEB_QUILT_BASEDIR ?= $(CURDIR) ... so we can override it
[10:52] <asac> imo we should go back to
[10:53] <asac> DEB_SRCDIR and the two guy who asked fr that change should use DEB_QUILT_BASEDIR
[10:53] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21352/
[10:59] <asac> Wellark: so good news is that we will get 0.7 in intrepid
[11:00] <asac> Wellark: upload should happen in 1 week i hope ... from there i on we will certainly ride the trunk development as we want all fixes :)
[11:00] <asac> Wellark: so the freeze that brought up this isnt relevant for your work
[11:01] <asac> everything that is in that is worthwhile to have till august, will be in release
[11:01] <asac> Wellark: we have a bunch of 3G independent things to do still, so if you want to help you are welcome :)
[11:02] <Wellark> asac: great! if everything goes well, the assistant is solid by the FeatureFreeze
[11:02] <asac> Wellark: rock
[11:02] <asac> Wellark: do you know when 0.7 is supposed to be final?
[11:02] <asac> (realistically speaking i mean)
[11:02] <Wellark> no, sorry.
[11:02] <asac> doesnt matter most likely anyway
[11:03] <asac> (for us)
[11:03] <asac> 0.6.6 has to go
[11:03] <asac> thats for sure
[11:03] <Wellark> yes. the relevent question is "when will NM 0.7 be maintainable"
[11:19] <asac> Wellark: maintainable in which way?
[11:22] <Wellark> never mind. :)
[11:32] <gnomefreak> asac: what package would this be filied under? occurs only with wireless connection with the mode wpa2-personal (AES),
[11:34] <asac> gnomefreak: most likely the driver package
[11:34] <asac> what chipset is it?
[11:34] <gnomefreak> he doesnt say
[11:34] <gnomefreak> it on the hotmail login bug i want him to file a new report with all info sice he can login with wired but not wireless
[11:34] <asac> we need a full syslog then (taken after he reproduced this issue=
[11:37] <gnomefreak> thanks update him on bug report
[11:58] <fta2> asac, if you have time to fix quilt, feel free
[12:00] <rzr> hi
[12:01] <rzr> I am about to release a debian package (in sid)
[12:01] <rzr> and will import it in intrepid
[12:01] <rzr> I was wondering if I can Use the LP:# hook in debian/changelog
[12:02] <rzr> errm
[12:02] <rzr> I meant If I can mix Debian Closes and Ubuntu LP: in the same release
[12:02] <rzr> am I clear ?
[12:36] <fta2> asac, the idea of DEB_QUILT_BASEDIR is not backward compatible. I don't think this regression is a valid reason to fork the branches between hardy and intrepid
[12:36] <fta2> or to stop doing debs for hardy
[12:37] <asac> fta2: my idea is to make DEB_QUILT_BASDIR=$(DEB_SRCDIR) by default and let the other projects that really need to patch outside fix it on their own
[12:54] <fta2> asac, basically, that would mean reverting http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/quilt.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae6bc12cf0d4ebffc2563074843b3e4ee59ca71b and asking the 2 guys to set DEB_SRCDIR to CURDIR
[12:57] <asac> fta2: yes, but replace DEB_SRDIR with QUILT_SRDIR
[12:58] <asac> and then using QUILT_SRCDIR ?= $(DEB_SRCDIR)
[12:58] <asac> with DEB_SRCDIR ?= .
[13:16] <asac> s/2 guys to set DEB_SRCDIR/2 guys to set QUILT_SRCDIR/
[13:17] <fta2> i've fixed it in my ppa so i can retrigger the builds. http://paste.ubuntu.com/21374/
[13:18] <fta2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21375/
[13:19] <asac> fta2: thats also in icedove i guess, right?
[13:19] <asac> fta2: ugh
[13:19] <asac> i have DEB_TAR_SRCDIR
[13:19] <asac> why dont we have that in the other packages?
[13:20] <asac> we should go for that
[13:20] <asac> if it stil lworks :)
[13:21] <asac> so it doesnt break embedded tarball builds, but just cdbs + quilt + unpacked sources with top level dir?
[13:21] <fta2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/21377/
[13:21] <asac> yeah ... xul should even work with the "embedded" tarball code we have there
[13:22] <fta2> it does
[13:39] <asac> @time
[14:06] <fta2> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubu4ever/+archive/+build/643728  ???
[14:19] <fta2> http://hackademix.net/2008/06/19/firefox-3-untimely-security-advisory/
[14:28] <armin76> rofl
[14:30] <armin76> asac: thoughts about the bug i filed? mozilla bug 440075
[14:42] <asac> armin76: not sure :)
[14:43] <asac> requires to look in the code
[14:43] <asac> not sure how those clipboard things are handled differently
[14:43] <asac> maybe its because in one case its just ascii content and in the other its of content type URL or something
[14:43] <asac> but wel ... thats not really concrete enough to go anywhere
[14:48] <fta2> the intrepid amd64 ppa builders are fucked up, badly
[17:13] <rzr> hi


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[17:58] <superware> hello, can someone please help me translate something to Korean?
[18:18] <superware> anyone?
[18:27] <Seony^TP> Hi
[18:27] <Seony^TP> it's a pretty bad timing.
[18:27] <Seony^TP> it's 3:30 am in korea.
[18:31] <superware> :|
[18:31] <superware> Seony^TP: do you speak Korean?
[18:31] <Seony^TP> yes
[18:31] <superware> I really hope you'll be willing to help out. I really want to translate www.resizenow.com to Korean, it's the last large language not supported yet...
[18:32] <superware> it's about 25 words/phrases
[18:32] <Seony^TP> ok, what are they?
[18:33] <superware> do you want to do it here or /msg? :)
[18:33] <Seony^TP> is it private?
[18:33] <superware> not really, but unrelated
[18:33] <superware> up to you
[18:33] <Seony^TP> oh, no worries.   no one cares.
[18:34] <superware> please try to use the website, just to get a feeling for the translation..
[18:35] <superware> ok, the first button is "Select pictures..."
[18:35] <Seony^TP> 사진을 선택해주세요
[18:36] <superware> is it "please"? :)
[18:36] <Seony^TP> Please = ~주세요
[18:36] <Seony^TP> Select: 선택
[18:37] <superware> well, I think it's best to stick with the English version, without additions, only when it's a must must
[18:37] <superware> plus it's a button, so should be short..
[18:38] <Seony^TP> got it.  then, 사진선택
[18:38] <superware> "Toggle selection"
[18:39] <Seony^TP> 선택 토글
[18:39] <superware> (the user can upload a few pictures, and select a few, this button will invert the selection)
[18:39] <Seony^TP> understood
[18:39] <superware> "Start over"
[18:39] <Seony^TP> 다시 시작
[18:39] <superware> oh man, you're good
[18:40] <Seony^TP> no problem.  i'm a native korean.
[18:40] <Seony^TP> unfortunately, my bose will be coming in 20 min.
[18:40] <superware> "New size:"
[18:40] <superware> let's do it in 15 minutes then
[18:40] <Seony^TP> 새 사이즈
[18:41] <superware> "Small (640 pixels)", "Medium (800 pixels)", "Large (1024 pixels)"
[18:42] <Seony^TP> small: 소형  medium: 중간 large: 대형
[18:42] <superware> and "Custom..."
[18:42] <Seony^TP> custom: 직접입력
[18:42] <superware> like "user defined"?
[18:43] <Seony^TP> yes, similar
[18:43] <superware> what about "x pixels"?
[18:43] <Seony^TP> x pixels: 픽셀
[18:43] <superware> and numbers?
[18:43] <Seony^TP> numbers: 숫자
[18:44] <superware> I mean 640, 800, 1024
[18:44] <Seony^TP> you don't need to translate the numbers.
[18:44] <superware> ok, "Custom size:"
[18:44] <Seony^TP> custom size: 그외 사이즈
[18:45] <superware> "width", "height"
[18:45] <Seony^TP> width: 가로 height: 세로
[18:45] <superware> "Resize" (button)
[18:46] <superware> if there's no "resize", then maybe similar to "make-smaller"
[18:46] <Seony^TP> ok, that button will actually resize an image, correct?
[18:46] <superware> resize selected images
[18:46] <superware> yep
[18:47] <Seony^TP> ok then, 실행 would be better
[18:48] <superware> well, I want it to be consistent you know... "resize" is the way to go
[18:48] <superware> I can tell you in other languages we've managed to keep the "resize" term, or at least "make-smaller"
[18:49] <Seony^TP> hmm, then "리사이즈" would be more comfortable.
[18:49] <Seony^TP> 리사이즈 or 수정 makes sense for me
[18:50] <superware> ok, "basic" and "advanced"
[18:50] <Seony^TP> basic: 기본 advanced: 고급
[18:50] <superware> "Quality:"
[18:50] <Seony^TP> 품질
[18:50] <Seony^TP> options: 옵션
[18:51] <Seony^TP> sharpen: 선명하게
[18:51] <superware> "Low", "Medium", "High", "Very high", "Best"
[18:51] <Seony^TP> low: 낮음 medium: 중간 high: 높음 very high: 아주 높음 best: 최고
[18:51] <Seony^TP> grey scale: 회색
[18:51] <superware> referring to quality?
[18:52] <Seony^TP> quality: 품질
[18:52] <superware> I meant to explain low/medium/.. are referring to quality
[18:52] <Seony^TP> oh yes
[18:53] <superware> 회색 is "Grey"?
[18:53] <Seony^TP> correct
[18:53] <superware> it should be "Grey scale" or "Black and white"
[18:53] <superware> only "Grey" is a bit difficult to understand
[18:54] <Seony^TP> so that option will change the color pf entire photo to b&w?
[18:54] <Seony^TP> pf/of
[18:54] <superware> yep
[18:54] <superware> or... remove colors
[18:55] <Seony^TP> ok then, 흑백 is better, but we understand either
[18:55] <superware> the website title: "Resize Now! Free Online Picture Resizer"
[18:55] <superware> almost done
[18:55] <Seony^TP> I don't think it's a good idea to translate "Resize Now"
[18:56] <superware> don't translate "Resize Now", write it literally
[18:56] <superware> :)
[18:56] <Seony^TP> sounds a little awkward
[18:56] <Seony^TP> sure
[18:56] <Seony^TP> Resize Now: 리사이즈 나우
[18:56] <Seony^TP> Free online picture resizer: 무료 사진 크기 조절 웹사이트
[18:58] <superware> two to go, the longest: "ResizeNow.com is a free online pictures resizing service. It is very easy to use and supports the leading picture formats."
[18:58] <superware> (you can discard the ".com")
[18:58] <Seony^TP> it should be a paragraph
[18:59] <superware> it's the website description, it's one sentence
[18:59] <Seony^TP> 리사이즈 나우는 무료로 사진 크기를 조절할 수 있는 웹사이트입니다.  아주 쉽고 여러가지 사진 포맷을 지원합니다.
[19:00] <superware> ok, last one: "The resized pictures will be automatically deleted from resizenow.com servers in 15 minutes."
[19:01] <Seony^TP> 리사이즈 나우 웹사이트에서 수정된 사진은 15분 안에 자동으로 삭제됩니다.
[19:03] <superware> I forgot "Rotate" (picture)
[19:03] <Seony^TP> 회전
[19:04] <superware> plus "Terms of use", "Contact us" :|
[19:04] <superware> I'll upload it in a minute, I want you to see it
[19:05] <Seony^TP> Terms of use should be longer than you expected
[19:06] <superware> whatever it takes
[19:06] <Seony^TP> i found a short word.
[19:06] <Seony^TP> 사용약관
[19:06] <Seony^TP> Contact us: 연락처
[19:06] <superware> great, a sec
[19:07] <Seony^TP> ok
[19:08] <superware> www.resizenow.com/ko
[19:09] <Seony^TP> great
[19:09] <Seony^TP> awesome.  i'm happy to help you
[19:10] <superware> thank you very much, I really appreciate it
[19:10] <superware> please spread the word... :)
[19:10] <Seony^TP> :D
[19:10] <superware> where are you from?
[19:10] <Seony^TP> hawaii
[19:11] <superware> are you Korean?
[19:11] <Seony^TP> but, like i said i'm a native korean.  don't worry about the translation.
[19:11] <Seony^TP> i came here when i was 30 years old
[19:11] <superware> I can detect you've done a pro job
[19:12] <superware> work?
[19:12] <Seony^TP> i'm a system administrator at hawaii state university
[19:12] <superware> nice, Ubuntu systems I guess
[19:12] <Seony^TP> yea, most of our servers are running ubuntu 12.04
[19:12] <Seony^TP> because of openstack cloud.
[19:13] <superware> how's Hawaii?
[19:13] <Seony^TP> same 24/7, 365 days
[19:13] <superware> come on
[19:13] <Seony^TP> weathers are beautiful everyday, but could be bored.
[19:13] <superware> I'm from Israel, same ey?
[19:13] <Seony^TP> no where to go, you know.
[19:13] <superware> well, bored is up to you
[19:14] <superware> I love islands
[19:14] <Seony^TP> haha yea,
[19:14] <superware> I'm off to our local war here, in case you haven't heard
[19:14] <superware> getting late here
[19:14] <Seony^TP> i've read the news yesterday
[19:15] <superware> yeah well, the oldest conflict
[19:16] <superware> really NOT boring here
[19:16] <Seony^TP> superware, https://coe.hawaii.edu/directory/?person=seowon
[19:16] <Seony^TP> this is my page.
[19:16] <superware> nice
[19:16] <Seony^TP> the photo is looking different, really. ;)
[19:16] <superware> heh
[19:17] <superware> again - thank you very much for your help, and good luck
[19:17] <Seony^TP> good luck to your website
[19:17] <superware> thanks man, bye
[19:17] <Seony^TP> bye
[22:37] <Guest9546> 안녕하세요 . 하드디스크가 ext4에서 갑자기 raid 배열 변경되서 마운트 되지 않네요.
[22:37] <Guest9546> 전 레이드로 변경한적 없는데 왜이러죠? 복구 할 방법이 없나요? 레이드가 완전히 된건 아닌것 같고요
[22:41] <Guest9546> 하드 2대 사용하다 sas sata 포트에 한대만 위치를 바꿔서 꼽은후 부팅하니 마운트가 안되서 이곳 저곳 꼽았다 부팅해도 안되길래 원래대로 2대 다꼽았더니 한대만 정상적 인식되고 한대는 디스크 도구로 보니 레이드 구성으로 바껴있네요.? 지혼자  왜그러죠?


[00:19] <PewPewPew> Hey guys
[00:20] <PewPewPew> Since my off provblem of all ppas working being the backports, beta pbackports experimtal and such workingt besides those ones, and no one giving an anseer, 9i decided to reinstall
[00:21] <Gsport> go go go blue systems
[00:21] <PewPewPew> but i noticed the install bug with dual/multi monitors still happens
[00:22] <PewPewPew> where the panels get missed up and the only thing on the onael if you are loucky is activits
[00:22] <PewPewPew> so you have to rm 0-rf !!/.kde and go
[00:22] <PewPewPew> Anjy fix on a featuyre innnstall cd? its nnaoying plusd i happens on firswt boot
[00:23] <PewPewPew> major typos sorry
[00:23] <PewPewPew> but yohyu got the point
[01:39] <amichair> will kde #324470 hotfix be released quickly (as some distros have done), or only with 4.11.2?
[01:50] <JMichaelX> man i've been having a nighmarish evening with k/ubuntu....
[01:53] <JMichaelX> i installed 12.04 on a dell vostro 1000, for a friend, but there was no audio.  then i installed 13.04, but no audio. finally got audio working, by adding a line to alsa-base.conf, but no audio from the headphones jack, at all
[01:55] <JMichaelX> i also have an inspiron 1501, and thought,  oh well, i'll give that to my friend instead. 13.04 live cd worked fine. installed to HD, rebooted.... kernel crash.
[01:56] <JMichaelX> so then, i installed 12.04. live CD worked, installed to HD. rebooted, all still worked (except wifi). did tons of updates, rebooted.... kernel crash at bottup, every time
[01:56] <JMichaelX> bootup*
[01:59] <JMichaelX> basically, no combination works
[02:01] <JMichaelX> if the think didn't lock up, maybe i could troubleshoot
[02:09] <JMichaelX> it appears that issues with the broadcom wifi driver are related to these kernel lockups... anyone know what the deal is?
[04:51] <QwertyKb> Are packages for Plasma Active 4 available?
[05:32] <crystalline> Is Kubuntu the #2 ubuntu distro? (ignoring mint)
[05:40] <valorie> mint isn't an ubuntu distro, strictly speaking
[05:40] <valorie> crystalline: do you mean historically? by popularity, or what?
[05:41] <crystalline> valorie: number of users, or more importantly, the amount of developer manpower
[05:41] <valorie> ah
[05:41] <valorie> I would guess we have the largest volunteer devel team
[05:42] <valorie> from what I've seen at UDS, in lists, in IRC, etc.
[05:42] <crystalline> I remember seeing kde performing great in games with compo off... is it better on now?
[05:43] <valorie> I get great performance, but am not a gamer
[05:43] <crystalline> before on was a big hit, if it's tiny these days... well i'm already opening the amd64 torrent lol
[05:43] <crystalline> I do 3D work too, cad/maya/blender, linux seems to perfer that stuff
[05:43] <valorie> it's hard to measure numbers of users
[05:44] <valorie> we often lead in the polls, but that really only measures "how many users see the polls"
[05:44] <crystalline> It's easy fishing for number of users by having a standard system that anonymously calls home with a unique hash
[05:45] <crystalline> canonical says they don't know the exact number... but that amazon plugin lets them get a rough number
[05:45] <valorie> sure, but we don't have the amazon plugin
[05:46] <crystalline> the stock browser... have the search and homepage default to a kubuntu page, count unique hits, bam
[05:46] <valorie> Amarok has one for the cart, but users have to know to turn in on.....
[05:46] <valorie> and there are ubuntu Amarok users as well, so.....
[05:47] <crystalline> lots of kde software users on non-kde distros
[05:47] <tsimpson> we do have popcon, but it's opt-in: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/main/metapackages/by_inst
[05:47] <crystalline> i'm using quassel and kate on everything lol
[05:51] <valorie> it would be cool to know, just for promo purposes, but really -- what do we need figures for?
[05:56] <crystalline> How well is 13.10 working? pretty much bug free or a mess?
[05:57] <mybad> good morning
[05:58] <mybad> could someone please help me?
[05:58] <crystalline> with wot
[05:59] <mybad> minutes before the muon updater came up and wanted to install 4.11.1 in many apps
[06:00] <mybad> i remember there was no cross on ksysguard, so i made the cross. didn't think that much, it wanted to remove kubuntu-desktop. just thought it won't make any problems somehow
[06:00] <mybad> but now kde isn't starting anymore
[06:00] <mybad> kubuntu 13.04 logo screen comes and then just a black screen
[06:01] <mybad> tty1 comes up so i hope it won't be a big problem :)
[06:02] <mybad> when i type startx into console only a black screen is coming
[06:05] <mybad> would maybe sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop help?
[06:05] <mybad> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop
[06:05] <mybad> don't wanna make a mistake again
[06:06] <mybad> it was working like a charm
[06:15] <mybad> someone awake?
[06:16] <valorie> mybad, reinstalling kubuntu-desktop would surely help
[06:16] <valorie> reconfiguring it if it was removed won't help
[06:23] <mybad> hi valorie. so is this the only choice? could it do any harm or that i have to reconfigure the desktop settings?
[06:24] <valorie> It cannot hurt
[06:24] <mybad> alright
[06:24] <valorie> if it says that kubuntu-desktop is already installed
[06:24] <mybad> i will give it a try
[06:24] <valorie> then you can reconfigure
[06:24] <valorie> you can even say 'install --reinstall'
[06:26] <mybad> does it make any difference?
[06:27] <mybad> sry, do u mean "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"?
[06:28] <valorie> the --reinstall part will make it reinstall even if it is already installed
[06:28] <valorie> and yes, that would be correct
[06:28] <mybad> ok, i understand
[06:28] <mybad> thanx for ur help
[06:29] <QwertyKb> You can also remove kubuntu-desktop then install it, should add in the missing packages
[06:29] <valorie> it can cause a panicky feeling when everything disappears
[06:29] <QwertyKb> (Though I have no idea what your actual probllem is)
[06:29] <valorie> it's happened to me
[06:29] <valorie> IRC helps!
[06:29] <mybad> like first sudo purge kubuntu-desktop?
[06:30] <mybad> or sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <mybad> or better autoremove
[06:32] <mybad> so it has happened to u before valorie? so i assume just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is the choice?
[06:33] <mybad> but i think kubuntu-desktop is already removed
[06:33] <mybad> so long dolphin -v tells me 4.11.1
[06:33] <valorie> I messed up an install or upgrade a couple of years ago
[06:34] <valorie> IRC was very helpful, if just to remind me that someone cared
[06:34] <QwertyKb> valorie: Removing kubuntu-desktop will never remove its dependencies, u nless you used aptitude
[06:35] <valorie> right, kub-desktop is a meta-package
[06:36] <mybad> as i can remember it also made changes to other packages but i just clicked ok on it and went away from the desktop. when i came there, i clicked on install updates and wanted to have a reboot
[06:36] <valorie> I wasn't saying I had the identical situation, just that everything was messed up, and I didn't want to panic, I wanted to fix it
[06:37] <valorie> it's always good to read the messages rather than just clicking OK, but it's sorta too late to do that now!
[06:38] <mybad> yeah sure, i always do that but i had never problems before with kde updates before
[06:40] <mybad> so i wasn't that sceptical. i'm very new to linux but i really love it and don't miss anything from windows except the gaming part but i don't play that much so it's ok
[06:42] <valorie> well, our packagers are awesome
[06:42] <valorie> but not Godlike
[06:42] <valorie> mistakes sometimes creep in
[06:42] <valorie> anyway, reading the info teaches more about the system and how it works
[06:47] <mybad> feel a little bit sad that i didn't switch earlier to linux. already tried it a few times but my wifi stick wasn't compatible at this time and din't feel the need to switch, although i was pretty interested in this system.
[06:48] <mybad> the installing kubuntu in may this year and i completely switched.
[06:51] <valorie> this isn't religion, though -- it's tools to help you accomplish what you want
[06:51] <valorie> if you had something that worked before, that's fine
[06:52] <valorie> I'm still learning, and i'm a grandma
[06:58] <mybad> but this even works better for me, except of this problem now...
[06:59] <valorie> well, linux on the desktop has gotten a lot better in the last 10 years or so
[06:59] <valorie> which is how long I've been using it
[07:04] <mybad> sudo apt get install kubuntu-desktop told me 0,0,0,0 " sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop tells me 81 to remove with 2.723 mb"?
[07:04] <valorie> that's a lot to remove
[07:05] <mybad> yeah
[07:05] <valorie> install --reinstall sounds better to me
[07:05] <mybad> now i made sudo apt-get install --reinstall
[07:05] <mybad> it loaded a few thing
[07:05] <mybad> s
[07:05] <valorie> do you know about up-arrow?
[07:05] <mybad> typed startx but still black screen
[07:05] <valorie> so you don't have to re-type all the time?
[07:06] <mybad> yeah, i already know
[07:06] <valorie> ok
[07:07] <valorie> you might have to restart KDE again, once it finished installing
[07:08] <mybad> how can i do this?
[07:09] <valorie> sudo reboot
[07:09] <mybad> ah, ok thank u. just made i8t manually before
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:12] <mybad> as what i can see it seems maybegood morning
[07:13] <mybad> before i was able to get in grub menu, but didn't chose the recovery mode
[07:13] <mybad> no i'm not able to get there again
[07:14] <mybad> ata4 revalidation failed, ata4 interface fatal error. that doesn't sound that good
[07:19] <mybad> now i'm in recovery mode
[07:19] <mybad> should i use fsck?
[07:24] <valorie> woah
[07:24] <valorie> mybad, do you have a recent iso, so you can just reinstall?
[07:25] <valorie> that is much simpler and faster than trying to fix this
[07:25] <mybad> u mean a new untouched kubuntu 13.04 iso?
[07:26] <valorie> that would be best, IMO
[07:26] <valorie> and fastest
[07:26] <mybad> i could download it now and put it on a usb stick later
[07:27] <mybad> i assume i shouldn't use a 13.10 iso, as i have 13.04 installed
[07:27] <valorie> yup
[07:28] <valorie> I'm about to disappear from here, I think
[07:28] <valorie> no
[07:28] <valorie> that's only in beta 1
[07:28] <mybad> hm are there no other options?
[07:28] <valorie> 13.04 is great
[07:28] <valorie> yes, but they all take time, and knowledge
[07:28] <mybad> yeah me, too i have some things to now in rl so there's time to dl it and check back later
[07:29] <mybad> i had 13.04 installed when it was still in beta and seemed to work better and better
[07:30] <mybad> but i think this problem shouldn't be too big, all directorys r still there
[07:30] <mybad> thanks for ur time valorie :)
[07:33] <mybad> have a nice day
[07:35] <mybad> 09:28:58] <mybad> yeah me, too i have some things to now in rl so there's time to dl it and check back later
[07:35] <mybad> [09:29:29] <mybad> i had 13.04 installed when it was still in beta and seemed to work better and better
[07:35] <mybad> [09:30:17] <mybad> but i think this problem shouldn't be too big, all directorys r still there
[07:35] <mybad> [09:30:35] <mybad> thanks for ur time valorie
[07:35] <FloodBotK1> mybad: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:35] <mybad> will check back later, have a nice day
[08:15] <backt> hey
[08:15] <chaotix> hi.  in Kolourpaint, when i attempt to save, nothing happens, no response at all...  any suggestions??  i really need to use kolourpaint right now for something, gimp is too complicated for me, and all the other drawing programs suck, i only use kolourpaint, on windows and on linux
[08:16] <backt> anybody know why vuze dont wanna download in ubuntu
[08:22] <chaotix> does anyone at least know of a drawing program likekolourpaint that has relatively easy to use transparency features?  its the main reason i use it over other paint programs
[08:29] <chaotix> i was able to accomplish my goal with pinta, but it would be nice for the bugs in kolourpaint 4.10.2 were worked out
[08:29] <chaotix> nite'
[10:20] <Kadric> Bonjour tout le monde
[11:30] <tolookinthegass> whats the fastest way to fill a drive with data ?
[11:30] <tolookinthegass> with only a kubuntu install cd
[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:37] <tsimpson> tolookinthegass: what kind of data?
[11:38] <tolookinthegass> any kind
[11:38] <tsimpson> well you have /dev/zero for a stream of zero bytes
[11:38] <tolookinthegass> i just need to fill up all the drive sectors
[11:38] <tsimpson> combine with the dd command
[11:38] <tsimpson> dd if=/dev/zero of=/the/device
[11:39] <tsimpson> there's also /dev/urandom for random data, but that will take longer (as the system has to generate random bytes)
[11:40] <tolookinthegass> hmm this is quite an old box
[11:41] <tolookinthegass> is there any reason that the partition manager that comes in kubuntu wont 0 out the data for you ?
[11:42] <tsimpson> there's usually no need to do a full format
[11:43] <tsimpson> and it can be bad for disks to write too often to the same sector
[11:43] <tolookinthegass> yes but sometimes you do need a secure wipe and its noteven packaged with wipe :(
[11:50] <tolookinthegass> urgh next time i will just bring gentoo or redhat
[11:51] <tolookinthegass> the problem with dumbing something down is sometimes you need something basic and its not there like a secure erase and then it turns into a nightmare becouse someone wanted to drop something that every other system disk in history has
[11:54] <Dragnslcr> Did you check the DVD to see if it has the shred package?
[11:55] <tolookinthegass> dont worry i think i have opensuse in here somewhere, its sillyness to mess around in cli for something so simple
[11:55] <Dragnslcr> Okay, I guess there isn't a shred package. It might be installed by default
[11:56] <Dragnslcr> The DVD might have the wipe package, if you like that better
[11:57] <Dragnslcr> shred is part of the coreutils package
[13:26] <CrytoViral> Has anyone else experienced a bug with KDE IM where the contacts don't show via Bonjour protocol ?
[13:53] <grey__> _
[13:53] <Roey> _.
[13:53] <Roey> ::cricket::                          ::cricket::
[13:53] <grey__> -_-
[13:54] <Roey> /-_-\
[13:55] <Roey> Heidy, Heidy_ Heidy__.
[13:55] <Roey> heidy________:  bot?
[13:56] <Roey> BluesKaj:  who has joined on with like seven duplicates
[14:00] <smartboyhw> ikonia, thank you:)
[14:01] <BluesKaj> doesn't seem to be working , could be a script /bot
[14:03] <BluesKaj> this heidy_____ person is in Columbia , that's what the IP shows
[14:03] <BluesKaj> err Colombia
[14:10] <Roey> ok
[14:15] <vip> hi there
[14:16] <vip> I've problem with bluetooth/networking; when I connect to my audio receiver via bluetooth networking stop work (can't ping anything), icon shows I'm connected
[14:16] <vip> also, no dmesg messages about it
[14:16] <vip> when I disconnect, networking works again
[14:17] <vip> it worked for me last time (i suppose 1-2 months ago)
[14:17] <vip> any hints?
[14:22] <CrytoViral> vip, sounds like a bug with bluetooth if it's producing results like that
[14:23] <vip> I've got bt mouse too, it seems not to take over my networking ;)
[14:25] <BluesKaj> vip:  suggest you use a wired connection to your audio receiver like optical or coax out from your soundcard
[14:26] <CrytoViral> vip, It's a very strange result, almost like a hardware conflict ?
[14:28] <vip> CrytoViral: but always worked
[14:28] <vip> BluesKaj: because of the sound quality?
[14:28] <CrytoViral> Is the bluetooth internal, or a USB dongle ?
[14:29] <vip> I usually listen directly from audio cd or something, but sometimes I just want stream from my laptop for a while
[14:29] <vip> CrytoViral: internal
[14:29] <BluesKaj> vip:  amongst other things yes , too many levels of processing IMO , but that's your call
[14:29] <vip> I suppose, It recognizes it wrongly, or setups it as audio & network
[14:29] <CrytoViral> vip, Could be something with a hardware switch, has it always worked
[14:30] <vip> CrytoViral: BT is always on, wifi too
[14:30] <vip> As I said, I've bt mouse
[14:30] <CrytoViral> So you always have the BT mouse connected when using wifi ?
[14:31] <vip> yes
[14:31] <vip> right now, e.g.
[14:33] <vip> hmm, it works now (i've done it manually with bluez-test-audio connect <mac>
[14:34] <vip> strange
[14:34] <vip> brb
[14:35] <vip> thank you for your help CrytoViral, it seems it work now
[14:35] <CrytoViral> I'm not sure I helped haha
[14:59] <pandev92> anyone know, why kde 4.11.1 need two clics for open a minimized application xD?
[17:05] <amichair> will kde #324470 hotfix be released quickly (as some distros have done), or only with 4.11.2?
[17:16] <s7> hi
[18:45] <terry333> hi peoples
[18:45] <terry333> how's gone
[18:46] <terry333> you'r searching to download new games film music
[18:46] <terry333> from irc
[18:46] <terry333> !list
[19:23] <CrytoViral> I wasn't aware people actually used XDCC anymore.
[19:23] <CrytoViral> How time doesn't move on.
[21:30] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have 2 pen drives which are not being picked up in my 13.04 install they are formatted in fat
[21:31] <eagles0513875> any ideas why they are not being detected?
[21:31] <eagles0513875> even gparted is not picking them up.
[21:33] <valorie> try a different USB port?
[21:34] <eagles0513875> valorie: yes i did
[21:34] <eagles0513875> same issue
[21:35] <valorie> hmmm
[21:35] <valorie> but they are seen on other machines?
[21:35] <CrytoViral> formatted in FAT ?
[21:35] <CrytoViral> are they like 100mb usb sticks ?
[21:37] <CrytoViral> eagles0513875, have you use Win32 imager
[21:37] <CrytoViral> by any chance
[21:37] <eagles0513875> valorie: yes on my imac they hare
[21:38] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: fat32 one is 4gb and the other 16gb pen drives
[21:38] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: is it available on linux?
[21:38] <CrytoViral> no im just wondering
[21:39] <CrytoViral> because win32 formatting style is stupendous, any space it doesnt use for the ISO it renders unusable
[21:39] <eagles0513875> :-/ ok
[21:39] <CrytoViral> eagles0513875, what does lsusb output
[21:39] <CrytoViral> with the usb plugged in
[21:43] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: http://pastebin.com/wyrWg0ia
[21:43] <eagles0513875> its like its seeing it but not the full 16gb
[21:44] <valorie> could it be only partly formatted?
[21:45] <CrytoViral> do, sudo fdisk -l
[21:45] <CrytoViral> and tell me the output
[21:45] <eagles0513875> valorie: could be.
[21:45] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: its not even seeing the usb drive
[21:45] <eagles0513875> i cannot even mount it
[21:46] <CrytoViral> it is seeing the usb drive
[21:46] <eagles0513875> fdisk -l doesnt return me anything though
[21:46] <eagles0513875> except the 2tb hard disk i have
[21:46] <CrytoViral> sudo fdisk -l
[21:46] <CrytoViral> hmm ok, do you have a windows pc on?
[21:46] <CrytoViral> is the issue the same on a windows pc
[21:46] <CrytoViral> pc/OS
[21:47] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: i tried on mac osx
[21:47] <eagles0513875> that is where i reformatted them
[21:47] <CrytoViral> so OSX successfully mounts them and you can access the usb drives
[21:47] <eagles0513875> correct
[21:48] <CrytoViral> interesting
[21:48] <eagles0513875> i formatted them on it
[21:48] <CrytoViral> out of curiosity
[21:48] <CrytoViral> can you format one of them ext4
[21:49] <eagles0513875> on mac no
[21:49] <eagles0513875> actually wait a min
[21:49] <eagles0513875> no that wont work actually
[21:49] <eagles0513875> i can still make a bootable pen drive on my imac but its pointless if i cannot then boot it on this system
[21:50] <valorie> it would be interesting to see if that pen drive will mount on any other system
[21:50] <valorie> if not, the fault will be on the mac
[21:51] <CrytoViral> it's the way the software you're using on the mac is formatting the usb
[21:51] <CrytoViral> its corrupting the file system
[21:53] <eagles0513875> windows detects the drives as well CrytoViral and valorie
[21:53] <valorie> hmmm
[21:53] <valorie> plot thickens, then
[21:53] <CrytoViral> are you using the same software on both os's
[21:53] <eagles0513875> im using the native formatting methodds on both mac and windows
[21:54] <CrytoViral> ok nevermind those]
[21:54] <CrytoViral> grab a free partitioning tool for windows
[21:54] <CrytoViral> and try that
[21:54] <eagles0513875> like what
[21:55] <eagles0513875> i have gparted here
[21:58] <Guest16718> test
[21:58] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: http://pastebin.com/xn4xu1Vy
[21:58] <CrytoViral> eagles0513875, anmything free#
[21:58] <eagles0513875> CrytoViral: that is from dmesg
[21:58] <CrytoViral> it does see the usb#
[21:59] <CrytoViral> just not the file system
[21:59] <CrytoViral> so i thinkk whatever youre using is corrupting the file system
[21:59] <eagles0513875> ok that makes no sense wouldnt windows and mac osx not be able to see it as well
[21:59] <eagles0513875> all im using are the built in formatting tools which are included with the respective systems
[22:00] <eagles0513875> how can i determine its mount point CrytoViral
[22:00] <CrytoViral> its the only thing i can think of, we can try another tool to rule it out
[22:03] <eagles0513875> bah this is frustrating CrytoViral :(
[22:03] <CrytoViral> i cant really understand why it wouldnt detect it
[22:05] <eagles0513875> i wonder could it be somethign relating to a kernel issue
[22:05] <eagles0513875> let me try something
[22:05] <ikonia> kernel issues ???
[22:05] <ikonia> eagles0513875: what are you actually trying to do
[22:05] <ikonia> (clearly)
[22:10] <eagles0513875> ikonia: for some reason 13.04 is not detecting my pen drives
[22:10] <eagles0513875> yet windows and mac osx detect them just fine
[22:11] <ikonia> eagles0513875: define detecting them, at what level
[22:11] <eagles0513875> ikonia: in other words not mounting them sudo fdisk -l doesnt show it /media doesnt show the device there the first pastbin is showing that the system is detecting it but it seems like it doesnt recognize the file system
[22:11] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ok, so mounting is the problem
[22:12] <ikonia> eagles0513875: first question, what partition table format is on the devices ?
[22:12] <eagles0513875> fat32
[22:12] <ikonia> no, that'a a file system
[22:12] <ikonia> re-read the questin
[22:12] <eagles0513875> ikonia: they just have a single partition
[22:12] <ikonia> no, re-read the question
[22:13] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i didnt specify anything as i used the default settings when i reformatted the device using the windows format tool
[22:13] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you must know what partition format you put on the devices
[22:13] <ikonia> this is basic stuff
[22:13] <eagles0513875> you mean block size and that sort of stuff?
[22:13] <ikonia> no
[22:14] <ikonia> is it an msdos partition table, gpt, bsd etc
[22:14] <eagles0513875> msdos
[22:14] <ikonia> ok, great
[22:14] <ikonia> how big is the pen drive
[22:14] <eagles0513875> one is 4gb the other 16
[22:14] <ikonia> ok, so sane sizes, good
[22:15] <ikonia> clear your syslog, tail it, put one on, do you see anything
[22:15] <ikonia> put one "in" sorry
[22:16] <eagles0513875> there is one line im noticing which is suspicious
[22:16] <ikonia> from a clean syslog ?
[22:17] <eagles0513875> yes
[22:17] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/UUNf8Epu
[22:17] <eagles0513875> from when i inserted the pen drive
[22:18] <ikonia> so it sees the device, which is good
[22:18] <eagles0513875> correct
[22:18] <ikonia> looks like it doesn't see it as a disk though
[22:19] <eagles0513875> that is correct
[22:19] <eagles0513875> if i do a sudo fdisk -l all i see is the 2tb hard disk where the os is installed
[22:19] <ikonia> also what is device 4 that it disconnects, is that the re-checking of the same device or a different device
[22:19] <ikonia> format fdisk -l,
[22:19] <ikonia> oops
[22:19] <ikonia> forget fdisk -l
[22:19] <ikonia> you're not at that level yet
[22:19] <eagles0513875> thats the thing i dont know what device 4 is
[22:20] <eagles0513875> the only thing that i unplugged was the usb device
[22:21] <ikonia> thats fine - it's re-scanning the same device
[22:21] <ikonia> so basically it's not detecting it as a hard disk, we need to fix that
[22:21] <eagles0513875> correct
[22:21] <ikonia> first check lsusb, it should be seen there without issue
[22:22] <eagles0513875> correct
[22:23] <ikonia> look at the udev rules, and grep for mtp-probe, one of those rules is a "catch all" rule for not full identified devices, identify that rule, see what pattern it's matching
[22:23] <ikonia> once you've done that, create a manual rule providing more detail than the catch all pattern matching so it doesn't get hit with the catch all rule
[22:24] <eagles0513875> ikonia: you will need to walk me through this if you dont mind as i have never had to do this before
[22:24] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's not as hard as it sounds
[22:24] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:24] <ikonia> grep the udev rules for mpt-probe, these are all the rules that trigger mpt-probe (which is what your usb device is doing)
[22:25] <ikonia> you'll see the patterns they match eg: 00, 04, 05, aa
[22:25] <ikonia> see what's matching against your device, eg: 004783474 - it would be the "00" that's matching
[22:25] <ikonia> then make a new rule for for a disk, with 004783474 as the identifier
[22:26] <ikonia> that way it matching 004783474 and makes a disk, rather than the "00" of 004783474 and tries to run mpt-probe
[22:26] <ikonia> it's basically just pattern matching
[22:28] <eagles0513875> ok question for you ikonia last time i used these pen drives on this system everythign worked fine what could have changed in udev since then?
[22:29] <ikonia> a rule update ? device id update ?
[22:29] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:29] <ikonia> (at a guess)
[22:29] <ikonia> you may know more / be able to work it out more when you find the udev trigger for it
[22:30] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:33] <eagles0513875> ok i dont think i found the right thing ikonia
[22:33] <ikonia> not found any mpt-probes ?
[22:34] <eagles0513875> no there is only one but its in /lib/udev
[22:34] <eagles0513875> and is nothing but digits which has to be viewed with od
[22:34] <ikonia> where are you looking ?
[22:35] <eagles0513875> in the above mentioned location. ill be honest and stright forward with you im horrible with regex
[22:36] <ikonia> the rules are in /lib/udev/rules.d
[22:38] <eagles0513875> ok i found the file let me check in there :)
[22:38] <eagles0513875> thanks to the arch forums actually
[22:38] <ikonia> a good source of info, just remember arch can do things different
[22:39] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i know i did put me in the right direction as to the location of the file
[22:39] <ikonia> its multiple files, just so you know
[22:39] <ikonia> there should be more than 1 rules file
[22:40] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6076809/ that is one of them
[22:41] <ikonia> thats it, you get the idea
[22:41] <eagles0513875> that seems to be the only one
[22:41] <eagles0513875> and its not finding anything in there for the device
[22:42] <eagles0513875> ikonia: these are the other files
[22:42] <ikonia> nothing for mtd ?
[22:42] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6076818/
[22:42] <eagles0513875> ikonia: there is but you said mpt
[22:42] <ikonia> sorry, typo, mtd
[22:43] <ikonia> 75-probe-mtd looks a good starter
[22:43] <eagles0513875> # do not edit this file, it will be overwritten on update  ACTION!="add", GOTO="mtd_probe_end"  KERNEL=="mtd*ro", IMPORT{program}="mtd_probe $tempnode" KERNEL=="mtd*ro", ENV{MTD_FTL}=="smartmedia", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe -bv sm_ftl"  LABEL="mtd_probe_end"
[22:43] <ikonia> back shortly, but you get the idea
[22:43] <eagles0513875> thats all there is in that file
[22:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: check others
[22:44] <ikonia> but you get the idea.....
[22:44] <eagles0513875> ok ill brb
[22:51] <eagles0513875> ikonia: seems it has somethign to do with the partition table
[22:52] <eagles0513875> on creating a bootable usb and trying to boot on it im getting a missing operating system error
[22:59] <eagles0513875> ikonia: this might be of interest to us Sep  8 00:58:54 EagleEye mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 7: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-4" Sep  8 00:58:54 EagleEye mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 7 was not an MTP device


 inclusion in !list has had a positive impact) - i believe rules should be applied equally to users and OPs.  I'm not trying to make a stink, but wanted to voice my opinio
[14:04] <zykotick9> n.  Thanks to all the admins in #ubuntu, you all do great work.
[14:05] <bazhang> zykotick9, you think we should not !it  italian users?
[14:05] <zykotick9> bazhang: no, obviously that's fine.  it's using it as a reply to !list that's the issue.
[14:06] <bazhang> well only .it users ever do that
[14:06] <zykotick9> bazhang: careful...
[14:06] <bazhang> zykotick9, I have never seen any other domain user do the !list
[14:07] <zykotick9> bazhang: actually i've see both hola and hello followed by list in #ubuntu
[14:07] <zykotick9> bazhang: the #debian's channels !list says "get lost" in italian
[14:08] <bazhang> zykotick9, hehe nice
[14:08] <zykotick9> anyways - i'll get out of all your hair.  thanks everyone.
[14:08] <bazhang> their bot also kicks out flooders
[14:09] <ZarroBoogs> hm
[14:26] <mneptok> i'm just confused by the correlation between Italians and people who still use IRC and DCC for pirating.
[14:26] <mneptok> because there most certainly is one.
[14:27] <mneptok> did some Italian write a viral blog post? is there a dedicated .it IRC server for such stuff? do Italians teach this in schools?
[14:33] <AlanBell> http://www.yetanothertechblog.com/2009/04/14/firefox-hangs-because-of-malware/ it isn't new and it is across lots of IRC channels
[14:38] <ZarroBoogs> I think its a mistake to tell people who are obviously looking for warez to go to another channel that won't appreciate that sort of attention.
[14:38] <ZarroBoogs> Just like we wouldn't tell them to go to #u-ot if they were doing the same thing and speaking english.
[14:47] <Tm_T> no point directing people who are looking for warez to any ubuntu channels
[14:47] <Tm_T> or any channels here on freenode for that matter
[15:35] <jpds> mneptok: Check with LjL.
[16:10] <LjL> bazhang: so the idea is you move the problem to #ubuntu-it?
[16:11] <LjL> they're not looking for an italian ubuntu channel, they're looking for warez
[16:11] <bazhang> LjL,  pardon?
[16:11] <ZarroBoogs> So... pretty mich what I said.
[16:12] <bazhang> plenty of users have done that for .it users over the years
[16:12] <LjL> bazhang: really, the #ubuntu-it operators won't appreciate sending !list people over to -it, so yes, what pici said
[16:13] <bazhang> LjL, noted. I shall never do it again.
[16:14] <ZarroBoogs> An .it user speaking Italian looking for support should be given !it, anyone looking for warez should be told that we don't do that.
[16:15] <sddhrthrt> yes, bazhang .
[16:15] <bazhang> yep. so I shall refrain in all cases of that
[16:16] <sddhrthrt> eh?
[16:16] <bazhang> sddhrthrt, you wish to discuss the offtopic policy of #ubuntu
[16:16] <sddhrthrt> hmm.
[16:17] <sddhrthrt> I was given a warning. Not the others, who continued to discuss what was apparently offtopic.
[16:18] <bazhang> sddhrthrt, indeed. and we had a discussion about your being offtopic in the not so distant past, am I correct?
[16:19] <sddhrthrt> Yes, yes.
[16:21] <bazhang> sddhrthrt, multiple warnings in the past about this, correct?
[16:22] <sddhrthrt> Yes. but in a community, be fair! I thought its fine to make a comment once in a while! that too, like, one line per day? on what i felt i should say? And I dunno, if there is a rule againstt polling or anything, i dont know about all that.
[16:23] <bazhang> sddhrthrt, since we did have a discussion about the multiple warnings you've had in the past, I thought you understood the offtopic rules about #ubuntu by now
[16:24] <sddhrthrt> not really, but i guess i understood. Anyway i dont wanna discuss this. +q me if you want. i dont think i'm gonna come back. If need be, i'll come with a temporary nick.
[16:25] <sddhrthrt> Anyway, it seems to be a personal grudge.
[16:30] <bazhang> sddhrthrt, was there anything further? you are free to continue in #ubuntu with support and please keep chat to #ubuntu-offtopic , thanks
[16:45] <bazhang> sddhrthrt, you still there?
[16:45] <bazhang> is wubi also LTS? ie 10.04
[16:50] <bazhang> sddhrthrt, if there is nothing further to discuss, please don't idle here
 how can configurate my kubuntu to take over the world?
[17:28] <jpds> bazhang: Reply with: "Did you try turning it on and off again?"
[17:29] <bazhang> jpds heh
[17:29] <jpds> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIGO
[17:30] <ZarroBoogs> Lots of GIGO here at work.
[17:35] <mneptok> "in the fields of computer science, information and communication technology and gastroenterology" FTFY
[18:55] <ZarroBoogs> lots of people with dchp and pxe questions today.
[19:47] <ZarroBoogs> Interesting that network-manager's IRC channel is #nm here on freenode... also that its not a registered channel.
[20:03] <StaffRingedSeal> http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rhetological-fallacies/
[21:42] <knome> tai hyvii as in kelvollisia :D
[21:42] <knome> hm, oops
[21:43] <StaffRingedSeal> fail
[21:44] <knome> mmmh, yeah, finnish restaurants fail..
[21:44] <knome> why are you using silly names
[21:47] <pangolin> evening dsfsd, anything we can help you with?
[21:50] <pangolin> dsfsd, if there is nothing you need from the ops team, please do not idle in this channel.
[21:52] <pangolin> Don't say I didn't warn you
[23:12] <BuSHecks> yoyoyoyo


[12:51] <kanliot> this makes twice grub updates have kicked my machine to a grub recovery.  I'm speechless.


[16:45] <Guest97> Hi.  Can you tell me how to get LP #1970057 moving forward?  I have thoroughly analyzed the failure and fix, and supplied a patch. thanks


[02:27] <xnox> please respin kubuntu desktop after https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/<IP_ADDRESS> lands
[19:05] <Laney> Do you want a FFe for me continuing the haskell transition?
[19:05] <infinity> Laney: No, JFDI please.
[19:06] <infinity> Laney: I don't consider "finishing pre-freeze transitions" as a "feature".
[19:06] <infinity> Laney: Though, in some cases, it may pull in massive upstream changes, which need looking at, I doubt that's true of many/any of the haskell bits that still need fixing.
[19:07] <Laney> Right; I'm doing it by syncing from experimental which may pull in new upstream releases with "features"
[19:07] <infinity> Yeah, see above.
[19:07] <Laney> Anyway, whatevs. Will carry on. Ta.
[19:07] <infinity> If any of them look drastically different and feature-laden, feel free to seek individual approval for those, but in most cases, I'm happy with a generic hand-wave for the lot.
[19:08] <infinity> And apart from ghc itself, and maybe some of the lower-level build tools, my bet is that 99% of the moduley things are basically unchanged aside from API porting.
[19:08] <Laney> here comes 36 syncs
[19:08] <Laney> (or thereabouts)
[19:10] <infinity> Hrm.  It's approaching new passport time.
[19:10] <infinity> Guess I should get a haircut to see if I can look eerily unchanged for 3 passports in a row.
[19:26] <xnox> yeah with haskell in the way proposed-migration is a pain to look at.
[19:30] <Laney> it's not that hard to skip over
[19:50] <Laney> huh, you can syncpackage non-current versions
[19:50] <Laney> feel free to reject the manually uploaded haskell-monad-logger
[21:22] <Len-nb> xnox, (or anyone else I guess) re, ubuntustudio's ubiquity slideshow. I have fixed it in a branch. How do I get it to the package?
[23:28] <Len-nb> xnox, I figured it out, my branch was marked personal.


[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> here was a prompt about a bug to me...anyone have the bug link?
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83890 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes while bookmarking" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83890
[01:40] <Admiral_Chicago> testing bug #83288 now.
[01:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83288 in mozilla-firefox-adblock "firefox adblock doesn't work" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83288
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> i got the error
[01:52] <Admiral_Chicago> it's a highly critical bug as well, why are we using that package is main anyways...
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83903 in firefox (main) "FF crashes with Streamtuner and Mozilla?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83903
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> it's a highly critical bug as well, why are we using that package is main anyways...
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: ping?
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone around on QA?
[02:52] <crimsun> hi?
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: can you mark bug #83903 as High importance?
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83903 in firefox "FF crashes with Streamtuner and Mozilla?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83903
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> oops.. I mean Bug #83288
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83288 in mozilla-firefox-adblock "firefox adblock doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83288
[02:54] <crimsun> heh
[02:56] <crimsun> bug 83288
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83288 in mozilla-firefox-adblock "firefox adblock doesn't work" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83288
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago> seems like it should be removed from main.
[03:00] <crimsun> if it doesn't work at all, and there's no newer upstream version that does, I say we opt for a source+binary removal
[03:03] <Admiral_Chicago> i checked upstream, http://adblock.mozdev.org/dev.html
[03:03] <Admiral_Chicago> seems they don't test for 2.0
[03:05] <crimsun> if they have plans to fix 2.0 compatibility, I'd say we could ask for its demotion to universe
[03:05] <crimsun> if they have no plans, we should strongly consider a source+binary removal
[03:05] <Admiral_Chicago> okay I'm still digging for information
[03:06] <Admiral_Chicago> http://www.mozdev.org/projects/active.html
[03:06] <Admiral_Chicago> it's not an active project anymore
[03:06] <Admiral_Chicago> according to that page.
[03:07] <Admiral_Chicago> we should source + binary remove OR suggest it be replaced with adblock PLUS.
[03:10] <Admiral_Chicago> the adblock forums are horrendous...
[03:14] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to kill the next person to touch bug #83118
[03:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83118 in firefox "Some components are non-free" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83118
[03:15] <Admiral_Chicago> it is not a *bug* against firefox. Fx does not decide how it applies it's trademarks, people do
[03:16] <Admiral_Chicago> well I take that back, I'll believe Zimmerman
[03:23] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: just an idea, 1.5 is still ran by some users...
[03:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i know some users are comfortable with it and just like it better
[03:30] <crimsun> Admiral_Chicago: that's moot, though. Users dist-upgrading who have FF 1.5 installed along with adblock would get upgraded to <IP_ADDRESS> automatically unless of course they put ff 1.5 on hold, in which case adblock wouldn't go anywhere.
[03:50] <Admiral_Chicago> true. hmm, I figure 99.9% will not put it on hold, it should be 2.0 in Edgy afaik anyways....
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> are we forgetting that dapper is LTS and as such we may need to keep mozilla-firefox-adblock?
[09:10] <AlexLatchford> grrr, its snowing here
[09:10] <AlexLatchford> 2 inches now, got to go out driving soon
[09:36] <gnomefreak> is it always this quiet this early :)
[11:06] <AlexLatchford> its like 5am in the US
[11:06] <AlexLatchford> so yeah
[11:35] <gnomefreak> i was up at 2am :(
[11:36] <gnomefreak> its 5:30ish
[11:36] <Adri2000> hi
[11:37] <Adri2000> gnomefreak: I'm not Albin Tonnerre, he is the one who prepared the mozilla-firefox-adblock and I uploaded it. he said fix committed because the package had juste been uploaded when he sent this message
[11:44] <Adri2000> s/mozilla-firefox-adblock/mozilla-firefox-adblock upload/
[11:45] <Adri2000> Admiral_Chicago: I don't think this bug needs high importance, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance, medium: "Has a severe impact on a non-core application"
[11:51] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: whens your next triage fun day?
[11:51] <AlexLatchford> I dunno why?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> we have set up 3 tags so far. retrace == if no debugging symbols found and coredump is included and so on here is the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugTags
[11:55] <gnomefreak> so far afaik we are only doing that for firefox and thunderbird  (atleast those are the ones i can do here on edgy atm
[11:56] <AlexLatchford> aha ok, can you announce this to the mailing list?
[11:56] <AlexLatchford> Ill take a look at producing a few more tags
[11:57] <gnomefreak> yes i will be seding one out as soon as i have all links that have been worked on
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> aha ok
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> gonna go have a shower, cya
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: has been making a few wikis :)
[11:57] <gnomefreak> have fun :)
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> links?
[11:57] <gnomefreak> when i have them you will
[11:57] <gnomefreak> thats one of the only ones i have atm
[11:58] <AlexLatchford> aha ok, found them :P
[12:26] <asac> helo ./
[12:33] <gnomefreak> asac: hello :)
[12:34] <asac> hi :)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> asac: uploaded a few of the retraces on bug 19552/ im grabbing more of the reports than heading out for a bit. im gonna be in and out through out the day
[12:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19552 in firefox "Crash after firefox is opening a new window (when it should open the new URL in the same window/tab) - No More Crash Report Please!" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19552
[12:35] <asac> man ... the guy from bug 60236 is crazy
[12:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60236 in firefox "Firefox Segmentation Fault Requires Reboot" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60236
[12:35] <asac> walter
[12:38] <gnomefreak> guess he totally missed the point :( using upstream package never solves a problem because the problem still exsits in ubuntus version but eh.
[12:41] <asac> he insist on installing something in /usr/lib
[12:41] <asac> and asks users to do so
[12:41] <asac> ouch
[12:41] <gnomefreak> bad idea no matter what
[12:41] <asac> actually he never made a point what his issue with ubuntu is
[12:42] <asac> he just dropped this in some segfault bug imo
[12:42] <asac> just a troll
[12:42] <asac> i will ignore him in future ;)
[12:42] <asac> if he has concrete problems he should open a separate bug report
[12:42] <gnomefreak> agreed
[12:43] <asac> ok ... out ... buying cigarettes :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> me too
[02:06] <gnomefreak> anyone here not a member of the mozillateam and wants to be? or has applied and either gotten an email or hasnt recieved any feedback yet?
[02:14] <asac> hmmm ... is there a way to find the bug for a stracktrace I am looking at :) ? I somehow forgot which it was :)
[02:14] <asac> http://librarian.launchpad.net/6348065/Stacktrace
[02:15] <gnomefreak> im looking
[02:16] <asac> its one for your latest submissions :)
[02:16] <gnomefreak> bug 19552
[02:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19552 in firefox "Crash after firefox is opening a new window (when it should open the new URL in the same window/tab) - No More Crash Report Please!" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19552
[02:17] <gnomefreak> atleast that s the one ive been steady on most of morning
[02:18] <asac> ok ... its Heres one
[02:18] <asac> thx
[02:22] <asac> thx for all the work ... I will take this bug and evaluate those traces
[02:22] <asac> or are you still working on more?
[02:24] <asac> ok ill wait ... if you are done with processing, please set traced tag and reassign to mozilla team
[02:24] <asac> i will then grab it
[02:24] <asac> :)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> yeah but i think i have a problem with one of them.
[02:26] <gnomefreak> from what the error says while trying to retrace is its a 64bit arch
[02:26] <asac> yeah ... edgy?
[02:26] <asac> i can retrace then
[02:26] <gnomefreak> yeah
[02:27] <asac> however I would need instructions ;)
[02:27] <asac> what apport version do I need
[02:27] <asac> do I need to respin feisty one or can i directly install?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/19552/comments/37
[02:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19552 in firefox "Crash after firefox is opening a new window (when it should open the new URL in the same window/tab) - No More Crash Report Please!" [High,Needs info]
[02:27] <gnomefreak> asac: im using feistys 0.49 version of apport and python-apport
[02:28] <asac> could you just install it?
[02:28] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:28] <asac> e.g. dpkg -i pkgs.deb
[02:28] <asac> ?
[02:28] <asac> ok
[02:28] <gnomefreak> yep once you have the debs
[02:28] <gnomefreak> i think python-apport first iirc
[02:29] <asac> hmm maybe they are in my chroot cache?
[02:29] <asac> lets see
[02:29] <gnomefreak> if not i can post them somewhere
[02:29] <asac> /srv/chroots/feisty1/var/cache/apt/archives/python-apport_0.48_all.deb
[02:29] <asac> /srv/chroots/feisty1/var/cache/apt/archives/apport_0.48_all.deb
[02:29] <asac> those?
[02:29] <asac> will try ;)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> 0.49
[02:29] <asac> hmm
[02:30] <asac> maybe i should upgrade feisty chroot
[02:30] <asac> will do
[02:31] <asac> fine ... new apports are pulled right away
[02:34] <asac> hmm ... no luck
[02:34] <asac> will try later ;)
[02:34] <gnomefreak> k ill be around sometime if you need me
[02:35] <asac>  ... cu
[02:46] <asac> yes ... load your batteries :)
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83977 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes during a yousendit file download" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83977
[04:44] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get a minute take a look at Ariel's retrace on bug 19552 (i think its beryl/xgl related)
[04:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19552 in firefox "Crash after firefox is opening a new window (when it should open the new URL in the same window/tab) - No More Crash Report Please!" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19552
[04:46] <asac> hard to say ... no stacktace available in there
[04:46] <asac> why do you think its beryl/glx?
[04:46] <gnomefreak> thats one reason why i think that
[04:47] <gnomefreak> asac: since beryl xgl are not in repos you wont have -dbg symbols. but really call it a strange feeling. maybe should ask him/her to see if they can reproduce it without xgl or beryl running?
[04:49] <gnomefreak> hjmf: how did the retrace go?
[04:50] <asac> hmm. maybe he should try to produce another crash report ... might have more infos then.
[04:50] <hjmf> gnomefreak, I've just come from work, no chance to have done it yet
[04:51] <gnomefreak> crap again
[04:51] <gnomefreak> asac: i might have to redo that one
[04:51] <asac> k
[04:51] <gnomefreak> and the other one :(
[04:51] <gnomefreak> i think im using old ff still
[04:52] <asac> gnomefreak: don't do too much ... to not get burned out :)
[04:52] <gnomefreak> :) im good for now
[04:53] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i have it done just incase you dont have time to run it
[04:54] <gnomefreak> asac: not sure jannes turned out ok with older version ff
[04:54] <asac> I will see :)
[04:57] <hjmf> gnomefreak: I've just seen it at malone
[04:58] <hjmf> how did you get rid of those dep issues
[04:58] <hjmf> ?
[04:58] <gnomefreak> hjmf: what ones? i just used the right version of ff and ff-dbg
[05:01] <hjmf> I see, in the chroot env I supose
[05:01] <gnomefreak> asac: i think i found it (there doesnt seem to be a coredump :(
[05:01] <gnomefreak> hjmf: yes
[05:02] <hjmf> cool. I'll try later to see If I can get a good retrace
[05:02] <hjmf> too
[05:03] <hjmf> now I'm going to do some family life
[05:03] <hjmf> bye
[05:03] <gnomefreak> k
[05:23] <gnomefreak> i see
[05:24] <gnomefreak> im done with that bug finally just waiting for the new reports if any come in
[05:25] <gnomefreak> im gone for now
[06:07] <asac> gnomefreak: I will go and drink a beer tonight ... cu tomorrow ... will read log when I come home ... just in case :)
[06:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Adri2000: marking as fix commit now
[06:34] <Admiral_Chicago> the update worked on my system
[06:45] <Admiral_Chicago> working on the tag library now on the wiki, a link will come by in a second
[06:50] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: you got the starter page for tags?
[06:50] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: asac started one already https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugTags
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> did he? Oh okay then I will create a page that introduces our policy
[06:54] <gnomefreak> he started a few pages just dont remember what ones i have that one cause its pretty much my to-do-list
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i noticed
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> my inbox lets me know what you've been up to...
[06:56] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugProcedures
[06:56] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugStates
[06:56] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugTags
[06:57] <asac> Procedures is ment to be the general policy page
[06:58] <asac> maybe we can talk tomorrow about what I have in mind in general ?
[07:00] <gnomefreak> ill be here
[07:00] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:00] <gnomefreak> i didnt sleep well lastnight so im in and out
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> now link to Bug Tags
[07:03] <hjmf> gnomefreak: I've uploaded the retraced Stack and ThreadStacktrace files from bug 83194 please compare to yours and tell me if those are OK
[07:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83194 in firefox "Firefox crashes when switching video mode at filecabi.net" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83194
[07:03] <gnomefreak> all i ask is that if you mark it as retrace set importance or if you cant ping me about it
[07:04] <gnomefreak> hjmf: ty
[07:04] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you didnt get an assertion error?
[07:05] <hjmf> no errors
[07:05] <gnomefreak> somethings wrong
[07:05] <gnomefreak> your stack trace is way too small
[07:05] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you have all dbg packages or are you using dbgsym?
[07:07] <hjmf> I've downloaded all the dbg packages I've found
[07:07] <gnomefreak> stacktrace looks like the coredump is missing. atleast one of mine looked like that when core dump was missing from report. but i know his is there if you give me about an hour i will look at mine
[07:07] <hjmf> I guess I need to invest more time on it.
[07:08] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i will post mine to that bug if its more informative off hand i dont remember what it looks like
[07:08] <hjmf> please do it
[07:10] <gnomefreak> i will in next few hours i have 2 wgets and kernel upgrades going atm
[07:11] <hjmf> no hurry :)
[07:12] <gnomefreak> hjmf: thats a bad one. thats one bug that needs to be worked on i rember this one know
[07:12] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i sent a report on apport about this file/retrace
[07:12] <gnomefreak> i think its him
[07:13] <gnomefreak> my stack is bigger but im missing symbols i need to find and install
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> i see your comparing the size of you stacks...
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> you're *
[07:16] <hjmf> lol
[07:17] <gnomefreak> lol
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm supposed to do a 20 minute presentation on adverbs, last thing to do before COMAP, trying to hustle this out
[07:48] <gnomefreak> asac: sometime maybe tomorrow we need to come up with a list of -dbg or -dbgsym pacakges we are gonna need i have a list of them just from one bug. They are not in repos anywhere and that is one reason our stacktraces on a few bugs are garbage. but for now i need to rest
[07:51] <gnomefreak> asac: sorry to ping you again but here is the list i have for starters (not sure what the hell to do without these) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4745/
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58753 in firefox (main) "display: fixed elements displayed improperly when scrolling up" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58753
[12:01] <asac> gnomefreak: thanks a lot
[12:01] <asac> we should definitly try to figure out why there are no such dbgsym packages.
[12:01] <asac> will clarify
[12:02] <asac> will past.ubuntu-nl.org keep that entry forever or just 24h or what? In case it is not kept forever we should put it somewhere more persistent
[12:02] <asac> ... more tomorrow
[12:02] <asac> good night
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84096 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "cpu wasted during animations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84096
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> bug helper is out now...hmm
[12:25] <gnomefreak> asac: i will move it somewhere i know will be safe :)
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: not for mozilla yet
[12:28] <gnomefreak> ok i saved it to disk asac  ill throw it on USB just incase
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> no i just saw the email now
[12:28] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:29] <gnomefreak> i emailed david about the clue files