[02:30] <broder> hmm...is there a standard answer for what an app is supposed to do if it runs fullscreen (i.e. above the launcher and panel) and needs its menus?
[02:30] <broder> this came up in bug 783006 about focuswriter
[06:25] <cdbs> Sorry if I missed something, but is Unity 3.8.14 postponed?
[06:26] <cdbs> (no developer online to answer that right now :( )
[07:19] <didrocks> good morning
[07:20] <evaluate> Hello.
[07:20] <evaluate> Does the files in the "icon-theme-path" directory that I pass to app_indicator_new_with_path have to be in any hierarchy or something like that?
[07:21] <evaluate> s/Does/Do/
[07:22] <evaluate> I tried just putting a 'something.png' into a folder and then passing that folder to app_indicator_new_with_path, but it won't work.
[07:59] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:00] <coz_> oSoMoN,  certainly morning here   3:00 am
[08:00] <coz_> :)
[08:01] <oSoMoN> coz_: perfect time for hacking/designing I would say :)
[08:02] <coz_> oSoMoN,  i suppose ,  I am staying away from that for now,, i think I will stick with graphics :)
[08:02] <coz_> oSoMoN,  graphics take the same amount of energy ,, cant do both
[08:08] <MacSlow> good morning folks
[08:09] <oSoMoN> hey MacSlow
[08:09] <MacSlow> hey oSoMoN
[08:13] <Nafai> hi guys
[08:14] <MacSlow> hey Nafai
[08:16] <Nafai> Hey MacSlow.
[10:35] <didrocks> oSoMoN: css file for the launcher? you can mix qml and css?
[10:36] <oSoMoN> didrocks: not that I know of, but you can apply style to Qt widgets using CSS
[10:36] <oSoMoN> s/style/styles/
[10:36] <didrocks> oSoMoN: oh ok, it's for the Qt Widgets then, thanks :)
[10:37] <oSoMoN> didrocks: in Unity-2d, afaik it’s used only to style the quicklists
[10:37] <didrocks> oSoMoN: and quicklists aren't qml elements? it's Qt code?
[10:38] <didrocks> oSoMoN: I guess launcher/UnityApplications/, isn't it?
[10:38] <oSoMoN> didrocks: yes
[10:39] <didrocks> thanks for confirming :)
[10:39] <oSoMoN> didrocks: quicklists are not QML elements because you can create QML elements only inside the parent view, not outside of it
[10:39] <oSoMoN> didrocks: that said, they are exposed in QML
[10:39] <didrocks> oSoMoN: oh ok, you can't create an extra X window outside of it?
[10:40] <oSoMoN> didrocks: not directly from QML
[10:41] <didrocks> ok
[12:11] <didrocks> kaleo: small question, is there any intend to still backport current unity-2d to maverick?
[12:38] <hicham> morning
[12:38] <hicham> hi didrocks
[13:12] <didrocks> hey hicham!
[13:12] <didrocks> good morning :)
[13:13] <hicham> didrocks: when will you start working on the gtk3 port ?
[13:14] <didrocks> hicham: not sure, the work should be quite quick to do, but right now, we are focused on the natty SRU
[13:15] <hicham> didrocks: natty SRU ?
[13:15] <didrocks> hicham: stable release update
[13:16] <hicham> didrocks: does that include fixing compiz crashing on enabling/disabling plugins ?
[13:17] <didrocks> hicham: it's already done with latest version normally
[13:17] <didrocks> we don't have a crash anymore
[13:20] <hicham> didrocks: latest unity version ?
[13:20] <didrocks> hicham: right, 3.8.12
[13:20] <didrocks> isn't what you package?
[13:21] <hicham> didrocks: that is the version I have
[13:22] <hicham> didrocks: but I still have crashes
[13:24] <kaleo> didrocks: let me check (I don't think so)
[13:25] <didrocks> hicham: did you report them with a backtrace?
[13:26] <hicham> didrocks: not yet, I thought it is still a known issue
[13:26] <hicham> didrocks: but I will
[13:27] <didrocks> hicham: not for this one, please report it with a backtrace :-)
[13:27] <didrocks> thanks!
[13:43] <janimo> oSoMoN, hello. Which part of the Unity-2D codebase is involved in moving app icons on the launcher? I hit bug 768812 again
[13:45] <oSoMoN> janimo: in the source tree, look for launcher/ListViewDragAndDrop.qml
[13:47] <janimo> oSoMoN, thanks, looking.
[13:48] <janimo> I attahced with gdb and there are 12 threads, 11 of them waiting in the mail loop for events, and one in QTWTF::TCMalloc_PageHeap::scavengerThread
[13:48] <janimo> s/mail/main/
[13:50] <oSoMoN> janimo: no idea what that would be, but if you can attach all the relevant output/information to the bug report, that will be super useful
[13:50] <janimo> oSoMoN, gdb traces you mean? I can attach those
[13:51] <janimo> oSoMoN, so the launcher supports drag and drop rearranging of the app launcher icons?
[13:51] <janimo> I can try reproducing the issue if so
[13:51] <janimo> so far I could only move them accidentally
[13:53] <Mark__T> kenvandine: ping
[14:03] <janimo> oSoMoN, btw that file mentions a workaround that should be dropped when Qt 4.7.2 is used .That is true for Natty now
[14:25] <hicham> hi DBO
[14:25] <DBO> hey
[14:25] <hicham> DBO: what is the status in bamf about https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606960
[14:26] <DBO> we are going to port to the gnome version of that patch this cycle
[14:26] <hicham> nice, because I am having some strange window matching
[14:27] <hicham> mozilla apps for one
[14:27] <hicham> maybe it is caused by the absence of the gio module
[14:27] <hicham> they are matched correctly in gnome-shell
[14:28] <hicham> DBO: you gonna also use gtk3/wnck3 ?
[14:29] <DBO> which distro are you on?
[14:32] <hicham> DBO: Fedora 15
[14:32] <DBO> hicham, yeah without the patch you lose considerable accuracy
[17:12] <sao> hi all. I'm currently playing around with the quicklist, which just works with a Launcher ;). I'm now asking myself if there is a way to add such a customized Quicklist with Unity.LauncherEntry to a Unity Lens? If yes is there a sample somewhere?
[17:13] <Tatarus> hello in there. i want to report a bug
[17:13] <Tatarus> who can i report to?
[17:20] <mardy> kaleo: hi, I wrote a fix for bug 766776 (I suppose LP sent you the notification, but anyway...)
[17:22] <kaleo> mardy: awesome!
[17:23] <mardy> kaleo: but as I wrote in the comment, I couldn't request a merge :-(
[17:24] <kaleo> mardy: you can use the web interface to submit your merge request
[17:24] <mardy> kaleo: ah. OK, I'll try
[17:24] <kaleo> mardy: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/unity-2d/treat-double-clicks-as-single there is a button "request a merge" in there somewhere :)
[17:25] <mardy> kaleo: found, thanks
[17:25] <kaleo> mardy: you can set a nice commit message for the merge in there
[17:26] <kaleo> mardy: and add comments if there is anything you would like to point out (limitations, advice on testing, etc.)
[20:01] <lamalex> jono, dude, have you ever tried to run guitarpro under wine or anything?
[20:01] <lamalex> so many tabs are in gp5 format which tuxguitar and all of those programs can't open
[20:02] <lamalex> jono, also i need to send you a picture of my new guitar...
[20:02] <lamalex> it's absurd


[20:01] <hannie> Good evening everyone
[20:01] <pfjappaco-precis> Hello all
[20:01] <c7p1> hello all
[20:01] <KevQuirk> Hi everyone (I'm the newbie)
[20:01] <unofficialresult> Hello!
[20:02] <bsvelan_> Hi everyone
[20:02] <hannie> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMP-12-04-3rdMeeting
[20:02] <kereltis> hey guys :)
[20:02] <c7p1> hey godbyk
[20:02] <ajmontag> hello
[20:04] <godbyk> Hey, guys. Sorry I'm late.
[20:05] <hannie> no worries
[20:08] <godbyk> Are we expecting others or shall we get started?
[20:08] <hannie> Chris is not here yet
[20:08] <godbyk> Ah, 'kay.
[20:08] <godbyk> I couldn't remember who all signed up.
[20:08] <hannie> but you may start anyway
[20:08] <godbyk> I'm glad to see so many people here!
[20:08] <c7p1> me too :D
[20:08] <godbyk> hannie: Okay.
[20:08] <godbyk> #startmeeting
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[20:09] <godbyk> #chair hannie
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[20:09] <godbyk> #chair c7p1
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[20:09] <godbyk> The agenda for this meeting is available at <http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMP-12-04-3rdMeeting>.
[20:10] <godbyk> I think that the meetingology bot will track the attendance for us (as long as everyone says something during the meeting).  If everyone could just say 'hi', that'd help.
[20:10] <KevQuirk> hi
[20:10] <pfjappaco-precis> hi
[20:10] <ajmontag> hello
[20:10] <bsvelan_> hi
[20:10] <unofficialresult> Hi
[20:10] <c7p1> hi
[20:10] <hannie> hey
[20:10] <kereltis> hi
[20:10] <godbyk> Excellent! Thanks.
[20:10] <godbyk> #topic "Job" openings for the 12.04 cycle
[20:11] <godbyk> [TOPIC] "Job" openings for the 12.04 cycle
[20:11] <c7p1> ok here you can see current job openings http://bit.ly/I0SAXe
[20:11] <hannie> It looks neat
[20:11] <c7p1> during this week we got some applications from new people
[20:11] <kereltis> excellent
[20:11] <c7p1> i marked new authors in the spreadsheet
[20:12] <hannie> c7p1, I do not yet see Anthony Venable in the list
[20:12] <c7p1> i can see some of the new contributors here too :)
[20:12] <bsvelan_> i can work on listening to music section, if no one takes it up
[20:12] <c7p1> me too, i've contacted him but i didn't get a response
[20:12] <c7p1> i don't know why thogh
[20:13] <c7p1> bsvelan_: good to know, if you can send a mail to the jobs mail to take you into account
[20:13] <bsvelan_> okay
[20:14] <c7p1> although anthony requested that section first, but will see, if he won't reply i guess you can take it
[20:14] <c7p1> that's all for this topic
[20:14] <bsvelan_> c7p1: no problem
[20:14] <godbyk> #topic Meet the new authors and answer any questions they might have
[20:14] <c7p1> let's meet new contributors :)
[20:14] <godbyk> Who here is a new author?
[20:15] <KevQuirk> Me :)
[20:15] <godbyk> Hey, KevQuirk. Nice to meet you! Thanks for helping out.
[20:15] <hannie> godbyk, may I suggest that all newcomers introduce themselves?
[20:15] <godbyk> hannie: Good idea.
[20:15] <KevQuirk> No problem godbyk, nice to be here!
[20:15] <c7p1> and then we should do the same :)
[20:15] <godbyk> Why don't we start with KevQuirk and then bsvelan_..
[20:16] <godbyk> KevQuirk: Tell us a bit about yourself and what chapter/section you'll be writing.
[20:16] <KevQuirk> Ok then, my name is Kev Quirk. I work in It professionally (for Hewlett Packard) and I have been working with linux and open source for around 6 years and obviously my distro of choice is Ubuntu.
[20:17] <KevQuirk> I'm going to be writing on the Firefox & Getting Online sections of the manual.
[20:17] <hannie> good choice ;)
[20:17] <KevQuirk> Can't believe I landed those sections to be honest....I think they're going to be the fun ones.
[20:17] <KevQuirk> I've also volunteered to help with the troubleshooting section should my help be needed.
[20:18] <c7p1> very nice
[20:18] <godbyk> Thanks, Kev.
[20:19] <godbyk> bsvelan_: How about you?
[20:19] <KevQuirk> There's isn't much else to say really, I'm a moderator on the Pinguy OS forums and I also maintain a blog and an online wiki.
[20:19] <hannie> bsvelan_, is that Senthil?
[20:19] <bsvelan_> Hi everyone...My name is Senthil Velan. I am doctor and a graduate student at UMD. I have been using Ubuntu for the last 3 years
[20:20] <bsvelan_> Yes, it is
[20:20] <bsvelan_> I worked on Microblogging last year.
[20:20] <c7p1> yap
[20:21] <godbyk> Great!
[20:21] <godbyk> Do we have any other new authors or editors here today?
[20:21] <hannie> is kereltis new?
[20:21] <ajmontag> Yeah, I'm new as well
[20:21] <godbyk> Ah, ajmontag. Go ahead.
[20:21] <ajmontag> Hey Guys, I'm Andrew Montag and I'll be authoring the UbuntuOne section. I'm currently studying Computer Engineering at Iowa State University in the US.
[20:21] <kereltis> nope, I did the email section the last time :0
[20:22] <hannie> ok, sorry kereltis
[20:22] <ajmontag> I have been using Ubuntu for two years now, and really enjoy it
[20:22] <godbyk> Cool. Thanks, Andrew.
[20:23] <ajmontag> I have considered a minor in technical writing, but I'd rather not pay the extra semesters, so I'm just contributing here instead!
[20:23] <godbyk> Should we have introductions for all the non-new people, too or move on in the agenda?
[20:23] <godbyk> ajmontag: Good choice. We're much cheaper!
[20:23] <hannie> Is do not see che dean, he mailed he would be here
[20:23] <hannie> *I
[20:23] <c7p1> i think we should do the introductions
[20:23] <KevQuirk> Personally I'd like to meet the rest of the team if thats ok?
[20:23] <godbyk> Okay. Go ahead c7p1. Introduce yourself.
[20:24] <godbyk> (We'll go alphabetically to make sure we don't miss anyone. :-))
[20:25] <c7p1> ok, my name is John, i firstly contributed to the project as a translator for the Greek manual. I helped as author for the previous release and generally i try to help the project however i can
[20:25] <c7p1> in the previous release* (a typo :D)
[20:26] <c7p1> finished
[20:26] <godbyk> hannie?
[20:26] <hannie> ok
[20:27] <hannie> My real name is Hannie. I have been using Ubuntu for about two years now.
[20:27] <hannie> I started with Ubuntu Dutch Translators, of which I am the owner now.
[20:27] <hannie> Apart from translating I also joined the manual because:
[20:28] <hannie> I firmly believe in good documentation.
[20:28] <hannie> First I translated most of the manual, Lucid Lynx
[20:29] <hannie> then I joined the manual team, and worked on the previous version as author/editor and helping wherever I can
[20:29] <godbyk> c7p1 and hannie both help out in a lot of different ways on the project: general proofreading/editing, helping new team members, assisting translators, etc.
[20:29] <godbyk> kereltis?
[20:29] <hannie> Finally I can say that working together on a project like this is very satisfying
[20:29] <kereltis> My real name is Che, I worked on the Thunderbird section in the previous release.
[20:30] <kereltis> I've been using Ubuntu for almost 3 years now.
[20:30] <kereltis> And I just want to help out wherever I can. Good documentation is very important for new users.
[20:31] <godbyk> Thanks, Che!
[20:31] <godbyk> pfjappaco?
[20:31] <pfjappaco> Ok
[20:32] <pfjappaco> I have been using Ubuntu since my uncle introduced me to it about three years ago
[20:32] <pfjappaco> my name is Paco
[20:32] <pfjappaco> I worked on the Ubuntu Desktop section as an editor in the previous release
[20:32] <pfjappaco> I like Linux, I like getting involved and helping out and this seemed the best way to do so
[20:33] <pfjappaco> yep, that's it for me
[20:33] <godbyk> Thanks, pfjappaco.
[20:33] <godbyk> unofficialresult?
[20:33] <hannie> pfjappaco, are you going to work on the desktop chapter again?
[20:34] <unofficialresult> Hi my name is Brian and I did the Photo section last time
[20:34] <pfjappaco> I can really help out wherever needed (but preferably as an editor again)
[20:34] <unofficialresult> I've been using Ubuntu since 5.10
[20:35] <godbyk> Thanks, unofficialresult.
[20:35] <godbyk> Did I miss anyone else who's present?
[20:36] <hannie> Maybe you should introduce yourself too, godbyk
[20:36] <KevQuirk> Yourself? :D
[20:36] <c7p1> :D
[20:36] <godbyk> hannie: Oh, I s'pose!
[20:36] <hannie> Before he introduces himself, for those who do not know it:
[20:37] <hannie> We wouldn't be anywhere without kevin
[20:37] <godbyk> My name is Kevin. I started the project to help out with the book design and the LaTeX code that you all suffer with. I've done some editing and helped out a bit here and there. I'm usually the last person who touches the manual before it's published (for better or worse).
[20:37] <c7p1> you can call him super-Kevin, he does everything :D
[20:37] <godbyk> Ha!
[20:38] <bsvelan_> To be honest, I decided to help out after I saw the manual and the beautiful LaTeX formatting it had!
[20:38] <bsvelan_> Good job, Kevin
[20:38] <godbyk> Thanks, bsvelan_!
[20:38] <godbyk> I think that covers everyone who's at this meeting.
[20:38] <c7p1> me too
[20:38] <godbyk> I'd like to thank our new authors and editors and especially thank our returning team members!
[20:38] <kereltis> I'm trying to get my head around LaTeX at the moment lol :)
[20:39] <godbyk> kereltis: Well if you run into any problems, feel free to yell at me. :)
[20:39] <godbyk> #topic Establish deadlines for the 12.04 edition
[20:39] <kereltis> Thanks, Kevin!
[20:39] <godbyk> So deadline time!
[20:39] <c7p1> yap also post mails to the list so other authors can see the answers
[20:39] <godbyk> We need to establish a timeline for the release of the 12.04 edition.
[20:40] <c7p1> for the new contributors, you can use the material that already exists
[20:40] <kereltis> Yes, this one is important as it's the LTS release
[20:40] <godbyk> There are a couple of ways we can do this: (1) set a final release date and work backwards, (2) set deadlines for each phase to find the final release date.
[20:40] <hannie> But the step from oneiric to precise is not such a big one
[20:41] <godbyk> hannie: At least not as big as the previous step!
[20:41] <c7p1> i think (1) can work for us
[20:41] <kereltis> hannie, that's the best part, we might be able to get it out faster
[20:41] <c7p1> what do you think ?
[20:41] <godbyk> c7p1: As long as we're not overly ambitious. :)
[20:42] <KevQuirk> Tomorrow? lol
[20:42] <c7p1> :P
[20:42] <kereltis> lol
[20:42] <pfjappaco> I think we should begin with the end in mind, so option 1 sounds good for me
[20:42] <hannie> yes, we should be realistic. We do not even have authors for all chapters
[20:42] <pfjappaco> but yes, keeping it reasonable haha
[20:42] <kereltis> yeah, 1 is good
[20:42] <godbyk> Any proposals for release dates, then?
[20:42] <bsvelan_> working backwards would be the best way to go about it
[20:42] <godbyk> Ubuntu 12.04 will be released this week.
[20:43] <bsvelan_> June/July?
[20:43] <hannie> How about a couple of weeks from now for the text
[20:43] <ajmontag> How about August 1?
[20:43] <pfjappaco> Mid-June?
[20:43] <kereltis> July sounds good
[20:43] <c7p1> mid June sounds good
[20:43] <godbyk> Ha! We're kind of all over the place, aren't we?
[20:44] <godbyk> Okay, let's assess the work we have to do and estimate how long it'll take to do each phase.
[20:44] <godbyk> Do the authors have an idea of how long it'll take to update their chapters/sections?
[20:44] <kereltis> Email just needs minor changes
[20:45] <kereltis> Banshee will have to be replaced with Rythmbox
[20:45] <c7p1> yap
[20:45] <KevQuirk> I have no idea but I am happy to commit to whatever is needed to hit the deadline
[20:45] <unofficialresult> I haven't installed the latest Ubuntu and Shotwell, but I imagine it will be minor changes as well
[20:45] <hannie> I for myself want to start as soon as I have Precise installed. (I do not have the beta version)
[20:45] <bsvelan_> I am guessing not much has changed with Microblogging though I am yet to try Precise.
[20:45] <c7p1> kereltis:  we'll have to recover the material for the natty series
[20:45] <KevQuirk> Me too hannie, I tend to not go for beta's...too buggy
[20:46] <ajmontag> I have not began any comparison yet, so I am still in the dark as far as time goes
[20:46] <pfjappaco> Precise beta is actually quite stable already
[20:46] <c7p1> fair enough
[20:46] <godbyk> It sounds like it'll take 2–4 weeks for the authors to finish their work depending on how much has changed.
[20:47] <pfjappaco> We need to add in HUD usage
[20:47] <godbyk> Any many of the authors won't know what's changed until they install 12.04 later this week.
[20:47] <c7p1> yap, that goes to the first part of the Desktop chapter
[20:47] <kereltis> I'm running it already, it's very stable
[20:47] <hannie> And I would like to see something about Unity 2D and 3D
[20:47] <godbyk> c7p1: We still need authors for the first part of that chapter, right?
[20:47] <KevQuirk> We also need to take into account the quick release cycle of Firefox. There are rumours that the UI will be changing soon (new theme) and I've seen the V12 beta, there are some significant changes to v11
[20:48] <c7p1> btw the new author of the Desktop chapter is writing his own manual for new users, he is a blogger
[20:49] <pfjappaco> godbyk, I can definitely help out as an author if needed
[20:49] <hannie> c7p1, and LibreOffice?
[20:49] <godbyk> pfjappaco: Thanks.
[20:50] <c7p1> LibreOffice section doesn't contain anything atm
[20:50] <unofficialresult> Regarding the Firefox release cycle, can we include a URL in that section leading the reader to a maintained web page documenting any changes
[20:50] <c7p1> it just a paragraph for each tool of the suite
[20:50] <godbyk> Okay, so it sounds like we should give the authors a month to write or rewrite their sections. Does that sound good to everyone?
[20:50] <c7p1> unofficialresult: that would help
[20:50] <hannie> c7p1, ok, but who is taking care of that?
[20:51] <bsvelan_> I think a month would be perfect.
[20:51] <c7p1> nobody :)
[20:51] <ajmontag> sounds reasonable
[20:51] <hannie> and burning CD's?
[20:51] <c7p1> anthony wanted to take it
[20:51] <pfjappaco> A month will work
[20:51] <c7p1> again nobody
[20:51] <godbyk> Okay, so the first draft should be finished by the end of May.
[20:51] <KevQuirk> I'd be happy to help out on other sections but I'd like to get a feel for the whole process first before I over commit
[20:51] <c7p1> i'll maintain them if nobody takes them
[20:52] <godbyk> Then we'll give the editors and authors two weeks to edit their sections, proofreading, fixing formatting, etc.?
[20:52] <hannie> c7p1, great
[20:52] <kereltis> That sounds good
[20:53] <c7p1> godbyk: sound good
[20:53] <ajmontag> agree
[20:53] <KevQuirk> sounds good
[20:53] <godbyk> Okay.
[20:53] <hannie> Would it be possible to assign editors to chapters early?
[20:53] <hannie> so they can form a team
[20:53] <c7p1> btw, the author of the Hardware chapter told me that he would be able to contribute after 11 of May
[20:53] <KevQuirk> I don't want to jump the gun but someone is going to have to take me through the admin process of actually submitting and managing sections.
[20:54] <bsvelan_> I am not sure what exactly is the role of an editor? Can someone explain please?
[20:54] <hannie> KevQuirk, you can ask for help when needed, also via the list
[20:54] <godbyk> Then we'll take, let's say, a week to open it up to the public for proofreading and comments.  Half a week to incorporate any last-minute changes. And then we can publish it (which usually takes me a few days).  How's that sound?
[20:55] <KevQuirk> Coolio
[20:55] <hannie> bsvelan_, I think it is important that editors read the chapter and make corrections/suggestions if necessary
[20:55] <c7p1> KevQuirk: we can discuss it at the end of the meeting. I'll send a mail to the list for this purpose, say it a FAQ for authors
[20:55] <kereltis> godbyk, sounds good
[20:56] <bsvelan_> hannie: thanks..i can help if you need someone
[20:56] <hannie> godbyk, excellent
[20:56] <KevQuirk> Ok, I don't know what you mean by 'the list' though.
[20:56] <c7p1> sorry, i mean mailing list
[20:56] <hannie> bsvelan_, we'll add you to the list of editors
[20:56] <KevQuirk> Ahhhhh with you now
[20:56] <KevQuirk> sorry
[20:57] <bsvelan_> my pleaseure, hannie
[20:57] <bsvelan_> *pleasure
[20:58] <godbyk> Okay, how does this look for a release schedule?
[20:58] <godbyk> May 31 – First draft completed: authors have updated and written new content; screenshots are in place.
[20:58] <godbyk> June 15 – Editors have edited and proofread content.
[20:58] <godbyk> June 22 – Release a draft for public comment and proofreading for one week.  Incorporate changes as they are suggested.
[20:58] <godbyk> June 27 – Final draft is complete and all last-minute changes have been made.
[20:58] <godbyk> June 30 -– The final PDF is released on our website and printed copies can be purchased via lulu.com.
[20:58] <hannie> fine
[20:58] <c7p1> good
[20:58] <pfjappaco> Sounds great
[20:58] <hannie> should we make an exception for the hardware chapte?
[20:59] <KevQuirk> all good with me
[20:59] <hannie> *chapter
[20:59] <godbyk> hannie: What's going on with the hardware chapter?
[20:59] <pfjappaco> One thing though, I will be unavailable the last one or two weeks of June, just so everybody knows
[20:59] <c7p1> i'll contach the author to see if he needs a co-author or if he'll make it by his own
[20:59] <hannie> he can only start on may 11
[21:00] <godbyk> hannie: Ah, I see. We'll have to see how that goes, I guess. Hopefully we won't have to change much in that chapter. Or perhaps we can get a second author to assist?
[21:00] <c7p1> yap, i'll talk with him and i'll inform you if we need a second author
[21:00] <godbyk> I'll send this schedule to the mailing list for comments and objections before we finalize it.
[21:00] <hannie> c7p1 will contact him about this
[21:00] <godbyk> c7p1: Thanks.
[21:01] <godbyk> Anything else we need to talk about re: the release schedule?
[21:01] <hannie> godbyk, are you going to publish this timeline on LP?
[21:01] <ajmontag> looks like a good set of goals
[21:01] <unofficialresult> Sorry guys, I have to go. I'll be sure to read the logs to see the topics I have missed
[21:01] <godbyk> hannie: I will once it's finalized (i.e., assuming there are no objections on the mailing list).
[21:02] <godbyk> unofficialresult: Thanks for coming!
[21:02] <hannie> unofficialresult, thank you for coming. Have a nice weekend
[21:02] <kereltis> cya unofficialresult
[21:02] <c7p1> see you Brian, thanks for coming
[21:02] <godbyk> Okay, we'll move on to screenshots then.
[21:02] <godbyk> #topic Screenshots
[21:02] <unofficialresult> It was good to meet the new contributors and happy to see the returning guys
[21:03] <godbyk> One of the problems that we encounter with screenshots is that we need them to be taken consistently using the proper resolution, color depth, file format, etc.
[21:03] <bsvelan_> enjoy your weekend unofficialresult
[21:03] <godbyk> We also need to handle screenshots for all of the translated editions.
[21:03] <godbyk> Originally, we have a couple people write a program called Quickshot that helped immensely with this.
[21:04] <godbyk> http://ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot
[21:04] <kereltis> would it be better to have a dedicated team for screenshots?
[21:04] <hannie> could quickshot be updated?
[21:04] <godbyk> Quickshot would walk you through the screenshot-taking process and ensure that everything was consistent and proper.
[21:04] <godbyk> Unfortunately, our two Quickshot developers found themselves busy with college and other things and haven't been around for a while.
[21:05] <hannie> godbyk, do you think we can ask them for help
[21:05] <godbyk> So I guess the first question is: Do we think it's worthwhile trying to resurrect Quickshot?  (That is, find new developers for it.)
[21:05] <godbyk> hannie: I can email them and ask.
[21:05] <hannie> I mean help those who want to take over
[21:06] <godbyk> hannie: I don't know of anyone who's expressed interest in taking over Quickshot yet.
[21:06] <godbyk> Personally, I liked Quickshot and thought that it did a pretty good job. It could use a rewrite to make it run a bit more smoothly, but it made it easy for one or two people to take all the screenshots in a short period of time.
[21:07] <hannie> ok, but before we find someone we need to know if the developers can help
[21:07] <ajmontag> If we need Quickshot in a few weeks, it may not be good to ask them to revive it on such short notice
[21:07] <godbyk> hannie: Right. But first we have to figure out if we want to bother with Quickshot at all or just take the screenshots manually as we have been for the past few releases.
[21:07] <hannie> ajmontag, very true
[21:08] <hannie> godbyk, yes, maybe that is better
[21:08] <godbyk> ajmontag: Right. I don't think we'll have Quickshot working for us during this cycle. But we could get it running for the next cycle (12.10).
[21:08] <godbyk> To be clear: Reviving Quickshot would be a 12.10 goal, but we'd need to get developers to start working on it soon.
[21:09] <hannie> But authors still need good instructions on how to make the screenshots manually
[21:09] <godbyk> hannie: For 12.04, yes.
[21:09] <godbyk> Here, let's break it down into a few questions:
[21:09] <ajmontag> well I have to leave, nice to meet you all!
[21:09] <godbyk> 1. Do we want to try to revive Quickshot for 12.10?
[21:09] <hannie> godbyk, is it possible to write instructions on the website?
[21:10] <godbyk> ajmontag: Thanks for coming, ajmontag.
[21:10] <c7p1> see you ajmontag thanks for coming
[21:10] <hannie> thanks ajmontag have a good weekend
[21:10] <kereltis> cya ajmontag
[21:11] <hannie> godbyk, you can put that on the TODO list (quickshot for 12.10)
[21:12] <godbyk> hannie: Okay, but if we do want to use Quickshot for 12.10, we need to start finding developers now instead of waiting until then.
[21:12] <hannie> godbyk, any idea if it will be a lot of work to updat it?
[21:12] <godbyk> As for screenshots for 12.04, it sounds like we need to write instructions on how to take them (resolution, color depth, file format, etc.) and how to crop them.
[21:12] <c7p1> i agree
[21:12] <godbyk> hannie: I'm not sure.
[21:13] <godbyk> hannie: I expect so.
[21:13] <c7p1> +1 godbyk
[21:13] <bsvelan_> Alright people, I need to go. I will read the logs later.
[21:13] <godbyk> hannie: I saw on the ubuntu-docs mailing list a while back that they were discussing translated screenshots, too. I think Quickshot could be quite useful to their team as well.
[21:13] <godbyk> bsvelan_: Okay, thanks for coming!
[21:13] <hannie> bsvelan_, see you, and thanks for coming
[21:13] <bsvelan_> No problem, godbyk
[21:14] <c7p1> thanks for coming bsvelan_ see you
[21:14] <hannie> godbyk, yes that is interesting
[21:14] <kereltis> cya bsvelan_
[21:14] <bsvelan_> see you later, c7p1, hannie and kereltis
[21:14] <pfjappaco> Sorry everybody, I have to go as well, keep me posted on how I can help out! Thanks again to all of you for all the great work you do
[21:15] <godbyk> See you later, pfjappaco.
[21:15] <c7p1> see you Paco :) thanks for coming
[21:15] <kereltis> cya pfjappaco
[21:15] <hannie> bye pfjappaco see you
[21:15] <godbyk> hannie, c7p1: I can write instructions for taking the screenshots and post them to the website if you like.
[21:15] <KevQuirk> I'll need to go soon guys. I've been on the launchpad site a subscribed to receive emails when bugs are logged. Does this mean I'm on the mailing list now?
[21:15] <hannie> godbyk, that would be so good if you want to do that. Many, many thanks in advance
[21:16] <godbyk> Initially, I think it'd be a good idea to have the authors to take the screenshots since they know what they want the screenshot to show. But if we need to have one or two people retake all the screenshots afterward to ensure they're consistent, then that's okay.
[21:16] <c7p1> KevQuirk: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual
[21:16] <godbyk> KevQuirk: There's a mailing list that's separate from the bug list.
[21:16] <hannie> KevQuirk, hope you enjoyed it. See you
[21:16] <godbyk> KevQuirk: Look at the bottom left (I think).
[21:17] <c7p1> there is a section Mailing list at the end of the page, with a subscribe button
[21:17] <kereltis> cya KevQuirk
[21:17] <c7p1> did i sent you wrong mail ?
[21:18] <hannie> godbyk, agree with what you said about autors taking screenshots
[21:18] <KevQuirk> I've done it now. Thanks
[21:18] <hannie> godbyk, do you want me to write something about this on the list?
[21:19] <godbyk> hannie: The meeting minutes?
[21:19] <hannie> no, about authors taking their own screenshots and how to do it
[21:19] <godbyk> hannie: Ah, that'd be a good idea.
[21:19] <hannie> I will write about the first part and refer to the site for instructions, ok?
[21:20] <KevQuirk> Right guys I'm off sorry. I'll email any more questions I have to the mailing list. Nice to meet you all gents.
[21:20] <godbyk> The author's screenshots don't have to be the perfect size/format/etc. as long as we have one or two people who can take good screenshots later.
[21:20] <godbyk> See you later, KevQuirk.
[21:20] <hannie> KevQuirk, cya
[21:20] <c7p1> cya KevQuirk
[21:21] <hannie> ok, I am satisfied about the screenshot subject
[21:22] <godbyk> Okay, it looks like that was the last item on the agenda.
[21:22] <godbyk> Is there any other business?
[21:22] <godbyk> #topic Any other business
[21:22] <kereltis> don't think so
[21:22] <hannie> I only want to ask something about the code after the meeting
[21:23] <c7p1> after the meeting will have to talk about the tasks, i mean the mails to be sent to the list
[21:23] <godbyk> Okay, if there's nothing else, then we'll adjourn.
[21:23] <godbyk> #endmeeting
[21:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Apr 21 21:23:37 2012 UTC.
[21:23] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-manual/2012/ubuntu-manual.2012-04-21-20.08.moin.txt
[21:23] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-manual/2012/ubuntu-manual.2012-04-21-20.08.html
[21:23] <godbyk> Thanks for coming everyone.
[21:23] <godbyk> I'll post the minutes to the mailing list shortly.
[21:23] <kereltis> Thanks guys
[21:23] <c7p1> thank you
[21:24] <hannie> thanks all of you
[21:25] <c7p1> hannie, godbyk: we'll have to write a mail that will help the new authors understand what they are going to face, what we expect for them, how they will work etc
[21:25] <godbyk> c7p1: Agreed.
[21:25] <c7p1> do you have time to do it now ?
[21:25] <kereltis> ok, I have to go, have a great weekend everyone :)
[21:25] <hannie> c7p1 yes
[21:25] <c7p1> have a great weekend Che, thanks for coming !
[21:25] <godbyk> c7p1: Perhaps we should create a short 'getting started / welcome new author' PDF that explains everything and points them to various resources?  (similarly for editors and other job types)
[21:26] <godbyk> c7p1: I have time now.
[21:26] <hannie> bye kereltis
[21:26] <c7p1> that would be ideal
[21:26] <godbyk> Before I forget: hannie, thanks for all the edits to the website. I'll incorporate those changes today.
[21:26] <godbyk> Should we start a pad and work on it there?
[21:26] <hannie> more work for you, helas :(
[21:26] <c7p1> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/WelcomeAuthors
[21:27] <godbyk> c7p1: Always one step ahead of me! :)
[21:27] <c7p1> hehe
[21:27] <c7p1> i was playing with it before, as Kev asked some info
[21:27] <hannie> c7p1, godbyk how about a shared document where we can write a mail together
[21:28] <godbyk> We could also add all of this stuff to the style guide.
[21:28] <hannie> aw, pad is fine too
[21:28] <godbyk> When I originally wrote the style guide, I tried to have a chapter for authors, one for editors, one for translators, etc.
[21:28] <c7p1> i've some material for the Editors of translated editions too
[21:28] <godbyk> Most of the style guide so far is just LaTeX-related stuff, though. (It was based on a handout I created for one of those learning seminars we did eons ago.)
[21:29] <c7p1> ok from where do we start ?
[21:29] <godbyk> let's create an outline of everything they need to know. then we can start filling it in.
[21:29] <hannie> Is it ok if I put some idea's that come to my mind on the pad WelcomeAuthors?
[21:30] <godbyk> I think that the 'get involved' web page is probably a decent start.
[21:30] <c7p1> nope
[21:30] <godbyk> hannie: absolutely
[21:30] <hannie> tomorrow (now is too late for me) The brain doesn't work that good anymore ;)
[21:30] <godbyk> c7p1: ?
[21:30] <c7p1> wot ?
[21:30] <godbyk> c7p1: what was the 'nope' in reference to? :)
[21:31] <c7p1> to hannie's question :)
[21:31] <godbyk> c7p1: ha!
[21:31] <hannie> lol
[21:31] <c7p1> actually i meant the oposite but ok :P
[21:32] <c7p1> nvm
[21:32] <c7p1> sorry Hannie
[21:32] <godbyk> c7p1: cheeky!
[21:32] <hannie> ok, guys, that's it I think. Can I ask one very small question about LaTeX?
[21:32] <benonsoftware> Was there just a meeting?
[21:32] <godbyk> benonsoftware: Yep, you just missed it.
[21:33] <godbyk> benonsoftware: It started 1.5 hours ago.
[21:33] <godbyk> benonsoftware: I'll post the minutes to the mailing list in a bit. But you can read the logs if you like.
[21:33] <benonsoftware> Ah, this is why I hate time zones
[21:33] <benonsoftware> Okies
[21:33] <c7p1> godbyk: could you update the website (with Hannie's corrections) and start from the updated webpage ?
[21:33] <godbyk> benonsoftware: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/21/%23ubuntu-manual.html
[21:33] <hannie> here it is almost midnight
[21:33] <godbyk> c7p1: Yes.
[21:33] <benonsoftware> Thanks
[21:34] <c7p1> benonsoftware, if you want to ask something fire it away
[21:34] <benonsoftware> Ok
[21:37] <hannie> c7p1, godbyk I wish you a very nice weekend. Don't overdo it. Monday is a working day agian. See you.
[21:37] <hannie> *again
[21:38] <benonsoftware> Just wondering on the ML you guys were looking for someone to do the Glossary and Index, is that still open?
[21:39] <hannie> benonsoftware, yes
[21:39] <c7p1> see you hannie
[21:39] <benonsoftware> I wouldn't mind doing that
[21:39] <hannie> c7p1, thought you were gone. Will you anser benonsoftware please?
[21:39] <c7p1> that's good
[21:39] <c7p1> yap
[21:40] <hannie> cya
[21:40] <c7p1> do you want to be assigned to them ?
[21:40] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[21:41] <c7p1> ok good
[21:42] <c7p1> benonsoftware:  you've contributed to the manual in the past, haven't you ?
[21:43] <benonsoftware> Hmm, possible (/me needs to think about that)
[21:43] <c7p1> i remember your nick
[21:49] <benonsoftware> Ah
[21:56] <c7p1> godbyk: are you there ?
[22:03] <c7p1> i think i'll got to go !
[22:03] <c7p1> see you all


[10:44] <soren> 12.10 and 13.04 are still not on old-releases.ubuntu.com in spite of EOL announcements having been sent out. Is that intentional?
[11:08] <sil2100> cjwatson: hey! Do you have a moment for a packaging ACK? There is a new binary package in a pending release in CITrain
[11:09] <sil2100> cjwatson: the changes themselves seem to be ok, but I'm not entirely sure about those as well: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-017-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_signon-ui_0.17+14.10.20140612-0ubuntu1.diff <- here's the new binary pkg added
[11:09] <sil2100> cjwatson: and here's the related change in u-s-s-o-a: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-017-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts_0.4+14.10.20140612-0ubuntu1.diff
[11:16] <cjwatson> sil2100: Mostly looks OK, but I have two questions
[11:16]  * cjwatson checks before speaking
[11:17] <cjwatson> one question :)
[11:18] <sil2100> ;)
[11:18] <cjwatson> sil2100: This seems to lose several files that are currently in signon-ui - or do those vanish as part of the move to oxide?
[11:18] <cjwatson> /usr/lib/$(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)/signon-ui/browser-process, /usr/bin/tst_inactivity_timer, /usr/share/applications/signon-ui-browser-process.desktop
[11:20] <sil2100> hmmm
[11:21] <sil2100> Right, I suppose those are removed on purpose with the switch, as if it was not planned the packages wouldn't build
[11:22] <cjwatson> They might build but not work
[11:22] <cjwatson> Are those binaries still built/present-in-source?
[11:22] <sil2100> cjwatson: well, we have --fail-missing so if they were originally 'built' from the source and not included, they would break package build
[11:22] <sil2100> So if they're not generated, I guess it's intentional, hm
[11:23] <sil2100> cjwatson: I can talk with the upstream guys if needed
[11:23] <sil2100> To make sure
[11:23]  * cjwatson goes to look at the silo
[11:24] <cjwatson> browser-process was intentionally removed
[11:26] <cjwatson> and not installing a unit test probably isn't a problem
[11:28] <cjwatson> ah, probably
[11:28] <cjwatson> -include($${TOP_SRC_DIR}/common-installs-config.pri)
[11:28] <cjwatson> sil2100: ~ubuntu-core-dev / ~ubuntu-archive ack
[11:29] <sil2100> Thanks! :) Yeah, I supposed it's intentional, that's usually why --fail-missing is our 'safe-keeper' here, as we make sure the upstream developers know what they want to ship
[11:30] <sil2100> But it's still best to double check anyway
[11:30] <cjwatson> right, --fail-missing is normally the right thing
[11:31] <sil2100> seb128: did you have a moment to do a NEW review of net-cpp by any chance? :)
[11:32] <seb128> sil2100, let me add that to my todolist, I can try having a look today
[11:32] <sil2100> Thanks!
[15:45] <rtg> infinity, could you approve Trusty linux-firmware 1.127.3 ? I've got some server guys waiting on it, and just discovered https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1327908 as well.
[15:47] <rtg> nm about bug 1327908, thats bogus.


[05:29] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Jonathan Carter: Free Software Activities (2019-12) @ https://jonathancarter.org/2020/01/04/free-software-activities-2019-12/
[23:00] <Bashing-om> UWN612 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue612 :D
[23:42] <guiverc> ack Bashing-om
[23:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I was surprised that again there is no security update activity :(
[23:44] <guiverc> I haven't noticed... I'd like some fresh (non-smokey) air though
[23:45] <guiverc> (smoke from tasmania across the strait; none local)
[23:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Australia is burning up :( such a great loss for both human and wild life; a world wide impact !
[23:48] <guiverc> :(


[06:42] <rickspencer3> hi gema and jibel
[06:48] <jibel> hi rickspencer3
[06:48] <rickspencer3> jibel, hope this morning finds you well
[06:48] <rickspencer3> did few of the automated ISO tests not run this morning, perhaps?
[06:48] <jibel> rickspencer3, it does, hope it finds you well too
[06:49] <jibel> rickspencer3, server and alternate ran but failed
[06:49] <rickspencer3> oh, it was test failures?
[06:49] <jibel> rickspencer3, upgrade from P to Q desktop failed too
[06:51] <jibel> rickspencer3, yes. The error is "Failed to retrieve InRelease" I'm currently investigating why this error occurred.
[06:51] <rickspencer3> thanks jibel
[06:51] <rickspencer3> jibel, let me know if you need help getting any fixes today
[06:52] <jibel> rickspencer3, thanks, I'll let you know
[09:17] <crazy_imp> heyho
[09:21] <crazy_imp> is there a place where one can find the scripts / tools to generated the iso files for testing (or release)?
[09:27] <jibel> crazy_imp, the scripts used to build live images come with live-build https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build this is to build live images from scratch
[09:28] <jibel> crazy_imp, if you want to customize an existing image there is a guide on the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[09:28] <jibel> crazy_imp, if you just want a stock Ubuntu image for testing you can download it directly from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[09:34] <crazy_imp> jibel: thanks for the pointers, but I'm looking for install images :)
[09:35] <crazy_imp> afk, lunch
[09:40] <jibel> crazy_imp, these are the scripts used to build images published on cdimage.u.c https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage
[10:08] <crazy_imp> jibel: ok, I'll take a look :)
[14:38] <jamespage> gema: are the QA team migrating all existing ISO tests to UTAH?
[14:38] <gema> jamespage: we are trying, yes
[14:38] <gema> working through bugs and current problems that need prompt fixing, though
[14:38] <jamespage> gema, ack - let me know if I can help out in any way
[14:38] <gema> since we also need to keep the tests running all the way through
[14:39] <gema> jamespage: thanks
[14:39] <gema> jamespage: I will
[17:38] <AlanBell> hello all, have I done the right stuff with bug #1016969
[17:38] <AlanBell> !ping
[17:38] <AlanBell> hmm
[17:41] <AlanBell> hello all, have I done the right stuff with bug #1016969 ?
[17:41] <AlanBell> \o/


[07:34] <dednick> larsu: ping
[07:44] <tsdgeos> Saviq: think did not understand your comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/category-expansion/+merge/178726/comments/404942
[07:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I meant that on ListView, there's already a positionViewAtIndex() that does so with animation
[07:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and I think we'll need LVWPH::positionViewAtIndex() soon enough
[07:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so I was wondering if we could add it (doing as close to what LV::pVAI() does)
[07:45] <tsdgeos> yeah well i can rename maximizeVisibleArea :D
[07:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and then LVWPH::maximizeVisibleArea() would just be responsible for calculation what to do, and dispatch to LVWPH::pVAI() for the actuall scrolling
[07:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, but ::mVA does more than pVAI, doesn't it?
[07:46] <reyueei> hello, i have some problem regarding the ubuntu search
[07:46] <tsdgeos> Saviq: maybe, but not muchh more really, just positions the view so that the most of the index is visible
[07:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so it does more - ::pVAI is "dumb" in the sense that it just does what you tell it to
[07:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ::mVA determines what to do
[07:47] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[07:47] <tsdgeos> i don't see the difference
[07:48] <tsdgeos> pVAI will scroll the view too, no?
[07:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, what I really mean is that pVAI takes a second argument
[07:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mVA does not
[07:48] <tsdgeos> ah
[07:48] <tsdgeos> ok
[07:48] <tsdgeos> yes
[07:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that's the difference
[07:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and we might need that
[07:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, being able to explicitly tell to position at beginning or end
[07:49] <tsdgeos> sure, thing is that implementing pVAI nicely takes time
[07:49] <tsdgeos> so i just did what we needed for now
[07:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, got it
[07:49] <tsdgeos> i.e. i guess pVAI should work on all items
[07:50] <tsdgeos> mVA just works on indexes that are already visible or cached
[07:50] <tsdgeos> because we just need it for that
[07:50] <tsdgeos> it's a reasonable compromise
[07:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah, got it
[07:50] <tsdgeos> because for non created indexes
[07:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, do the quickest thing for now
[07:50] <tsdgeos> i have to go and calculate "where" they may be
[07:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yup, got it
[07:50] <tsdgeos> and then stuff starts to be harder
[08:17] <Saviq> Cimi, can you do https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/support-plurals/+merge/179350 please?
[08:18] <Cimi> Saviq, y
[08:19] <Cimi> Saviq, on my side, I have issues with testing crossfadeimage
[08:20] <Cimi> Saviq, crossfadeImage status can be Image.ready with a not-existing image :O
[08:21] <Saviq> Cimi, file a bug for SDK, create a test for it, fix it! :)
[08:21] <Saviq> Cimi, should be easy
[08:22] <Cimi> Saviq, it's our crossfadeimage componnt
[08:22] <Cimi> Saviq, we're not using sdk
[08:22] <Cimi> Saviq, this is opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1204565
[08:23] <Saviq> Cimi, ok, fix in ours, then
[08:23] <Cimi> ok
[08:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/support-plurals/+merge/179350
[08:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah?
[08:40] <tsdgeos> read the comment :D
[08:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ;)
[08:40] <tsdgeos> the make line you gave doesn't work here
[08:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, interesting, try "unity8.pot"
[08:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, maybe make behaves differently than ninja here
[08:40] <tsdgeos> nope
[08:40] <tsdgeos> doesn't work ether
[08:40] <tsdgeos> +i
[08:41]  * Saviq tries
[08:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, make -C builddir pot_file
[08:41] <tsdgeos> ah, that
[08:41] <tsdgeos> yep
[08:43] <Saviq> Cimi, tsdgeos beat you to it ;)
[08:44] <Cimi> Saviq, I am running that command now :P
[08:44] <Cimi> Saviq, took time branching
[08:44] <Saviq> :)
[08:44] <tsdgeos> sorry
[08:44]  * tsdgeos hides
[08:46] <Cimi> works here too
[10:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, greyback, dednick, I will have to ask one of you guys to do https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/app-preview-data/+merge/179348
[10:19] <Saviq> as I've been involved with it too much to review it properly again
[10:20] <Saviq> or you could wait for mzanetti on Monday ;)
[10:20] <tsdgeos> wait! wait! wait!
[10:20]  * tsdgeos runs
[10:20] <tsdgeos> ouch this one's big
[10:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, BIG?!
[10:21] <tsdgeos> 2.5KLOC
[10:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, may I remind https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/indicators-client/+merge/172582
[10:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it was split in two before
[10:21] <tsdgeos> that one is big-er
[10:21] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but it was so intertwined
[10:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I decided to merge
[10:21] <tsdgeos> sure, makes sense
[10:21] <tsdgeos> sometimes stuff has to be big
[10:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's mostly green, so a good thing
[10:22] <greyback> lol
[10:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah also
[10:22]  * tsdgeos was about to do a bad joke
[10:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, DashPreview was rm'ed and added
[10:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so it's not really 2.5k
[10:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, because bzr is stupid
[10:23] <tsdgeos> meh
[10:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, what was the bad joke? what was the bad joke?!
[10:23]  * greyback theorizing about tsdgeos' joke
[10:23] <tsdgeos> git is not that much smarter
[10:23] <Saviq> lol
[10:23] <tsdgeos> when you move files
[10:23] <tsdgeos> you need to tell it something like
[10:23] <tsdgeos> --findharder
[10:23] <tsdgeos> or something
[10:23] <Saviq> lol
[10:23] <tsdgeos> so it actually realizes you moved the files
[10:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you can always go back, though
[10:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, with bzr you're stuck
[10:23] <greyback> I want 'find' to have that switch
[10:23] <Saviq> lol more
[10:23] <tsdgeos> --find-copies-harder
[10:24] <tsdgeos>        --find-copies-harder
[10:24] <tsdgeos>            For performance reasons, by default, -C option finds copies only if the original file of the copy was modified in the same changeset. This flag makes the command inspect unmodified files as candidates for the source of copy. This is a very expensive
[10:24] <tsdgeos>            operation for large projects, so use it with caution. Giving more than one -C option has the same effect.
[10:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, at least it has that option
[10:24] <tsdgeos> yeah
[10:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and anyway, rebase -i FTW
[10:24] <tsdgeos> oh i'm not defending bzr :D
[10:24] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i guess i can try to have a look at that Dash thig
[10:25] <greyback> I always enjoy bzr bashing Friday
[10:25] <tsdgeos> the bad "joke" was: "it's mostly green, so a good thing" -> "I don't like vegetables"
[10:25] <tsdgeos> now you can hate me more
[10:25] <Saviq> rotfl
[10:25] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let me try to repro
[10:26] <greyback> tsdgeos: the quotes around "joke" were well placed
[10:27] <Saviq> you're killing me guys ;D
[10:29] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5965895/
[10:29] <Saviq> tsdgeos, play with the home scope a bit (search, scroll, clear the search)
[10:29] <tsdgeos> Saviq: that on "plain" unity8?
[10:30] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[10:30] <Saviq> tsdgeos, needs to be device, though, as on desktop you don't actually get empty homescope for long
[10:30] <tsdgeos> ok, let me see
[10:31] <tsdgeos> boooooo
[10:31] <tsdgeos> i just set up the device for unity-mir
[10:31] <tsdgeos> don't really want to go back
[10:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you have the Nexus 10 don't ypu
[10:31] <Saviq> you
[10:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you speak the truth
[10:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, charged? ;)
[10:32] <tsdgeos> yeah charged it yesterday
[10:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you charged it recently, so should be fine
[10:32] <Saviq> ok
[10:32] <Saviq> biab
[10:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: but do you think it'll repro there?
[10:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, should, I think
[10:51] <dednick> tsdgeos: you doing that review then?
[10:51] <tsdgeos> dednick: unless you are crazy about do it yourself, yeah
[10:51] <dednick> tsdgeos: lol. crazy about a review. funny man
[10:52] <tsdgeos> i know, trying to get my comedy skills up in case i need to change careers
[10:52] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:52] <dednick> tsdgeos: a 2.5k review esspecially :)
[10:52] <dednick> but better then a 9k
[10:55] <dednick> Saviq: if you're upset about not being able to review it yourself, you can do https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/indicators-behaviour.tabs/+merge/175334 ;)
[10:55] <dednick> a measly 500 lines
[10:57] <Saviq> dednick, yup, have that on my radar
[10:57] <Saviq> dednick, not sure about the "upset" part, though :D
[10:58] <dednick> Saviq: i just assumed after how you got stuck into that indicators review ;)
[11:06] <tsdgeos> Saviq: lol if i do that patch on the Nexus10  i get a totally empty home scope
[11:07] <tsdgeos> but if i search stuff it appear
[11:07] <tsdgeos> s
[11:07] <tsdgeos> :S
[11:07] <tsdgeos> err, do i have local stuff?
[11:08] <tsdgeos> no i don't
[11:10] <tsdgeos> but yeah
[11:10] <tsdgeos> can reproduce the header getting crazy on the middle of the screen
[11:10] <tsdgeos> not cool
[11:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: paulliu: how do i test that app preview thing?
[11:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, install on device, gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Dash scopes
[11:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, append "click/click.scope"
[11:32] <Saviq> to the list from gsettings
[11:32] <Saviq> and gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Dash scopes "['the', 'list', 'here']"
[11:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you shouldn't need to restart unity8, and you should get the click scope as a new master scope
[11:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, either tapping or long-pressing on an app in there should show you the preview
[11:33] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not to mention `make -C builddir tryAppPreview` for the basic tests
[11:33] <tsdgeos> sure
[11:33] <tsdgeos> that's test, i wanted to see it in real life
[11:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yup, it should even install the click package for you and allow to run it
[11:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, assuming everything else is working in the image already
[11:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: changing on the fly didn't seem to work
[11:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, weird, worked for me
[11:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, see with 'get' if you actually got it updated
[11:38] <tsdgeos> after a rerun of the shell it worked
[11:38] <Saviq> ok
[11:38] <Saviq> filing bug
[11:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: is "Rate This" supposed to work?
[11:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no
[11:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, there's no support yet in the scope and friends
[11:38] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:38] <tsdgeos> install didn't work
[11:38] <tsdgeos> but i guess that's not your fault
[11:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i find it a bit weird that i can scroll the left size of the preview when on the tablet even if it fits fine on screen
[11:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, OTOH having it static might suggest it won't ever be scrollable... not sure we have a generic rule here
[11:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but I know what you mean
[11:40] <tsdgeos> sure
[11:40] <tsdgeos> not blocking on that
[11:40] <tsdgeos> just saying it's a big strange
[11:40] <tsdgeos> /it's/felt
[11:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, did it install fine?
[11:41] <tsdgeos> nope
[11:41] <tsdgeos> didn't do anything
[11:41] <tsdgeos> after pressing the install button
[11:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, might be the backends didn't land yet, will verify
[11:42] <Saviq> later
[11:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: wow, this is even weirded :D
[11:42] <tsdgeos> press the install button and drag down
[11:42] <tsdgeos> only the install button moves (the icon stays) and at some point the button disappers from screen
[11:42] <tsdgeos> :S
[11:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, lol
[11:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, GridView should be interactive
[11:43] <tsdgeos> same if you go up btw
[11:43] <Saviq> *not
[11:43] <tsdgeos> lol, and i can move the top left icon right :D
[11:43] <tsdgeos> can i block on that?
[11:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, pushed
[11:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[11:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, "top left icon"?
[11:45] <tsdgeos> the thing above the install button
[11:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hmm not interactive at all here...
[11:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tablet mode?
[11:46] <tsdgeos> yep
[11:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, please write steps to repro on the MR, not seeing it here
[11:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ahhh
[11:49] <tsdgeos> i think it makes sense now
[11:49] <tsdgeos> it's in case you have more images
[11:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, the top part is a listview
[11:50] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:50] <tsdgeos> we definitely need to revisit the idea of adding a "max overshoot" to listviews
[11:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, same "should we scroll if nothing there" applies
[11:50] <tsdgeos> this is getting silly
[11:50] <tsdgeos> i can understand it should scroll a bit to show it's scrollable
[11:51] <tsdgeos> but letting me move the screenshot 500px in empty spaces is confusing
[11:51] <tsdgeos> lunch time
[11:51] <tsdgeos> bbl
[11:51] <Saviq> o/
[12:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, btw, file a bug with ubuntu-ux about a generic rule for overshooting
[12:34] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i will, Oren already told me they want to limit ages ago and i even did a dirty hack when coding the hud appstack that gerry smartly told me to drop
[12:34] <Saviq> :D
[12:34] <tsdgeos> but i'll file it
[12:44] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1210507
[12:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ahhhhhhhh
[12:56] <tsdgeos> autogenerated files
[13:18] <dednick|lunch> larsu: ping
[13:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, I know
[13:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, will try and grab the source file and generate them build time
[13:38] <tsdgeos> +1
[13:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, btw, do you know if, when cross-compiling, will it be safe to use amd64 moc and qdbusxml2cpp for armhf sources?
[13:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I don't expect them to be different, but then who knows...
[13:45] <tsdgeos> they should
[13:45] <tsdgeos> can't say for sure
[13:45] <tsdgeos> but i don't see why they shouldn'y
[13:45] <tsdgeos> not much a cross compile guy myself
[13:45] <tsdgeos> much -> at all
[13:45] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:25] <mhr3> tsdgeos, did you have time to look into the proxymodel count thing?
[14:28] <tsdgeos> mhr3: nope sorry
[14:29] <mterry> dednick, heyo!  Thanks for your review of the powerd-test branch.  You noted that I might not be generating the qmltypes file needed for "typeinfo plugin.qmltypes".  I don't really understand the whole qmltypes thing, I just cargo culted that.  Is there manual work needed to generate that?  It doesn't happen automatically?
[14:30] <dednick> mterry: we don't need to do the qmltypes for mocks. just remove the line :)
[14:31] <dednick> mterry: it's just to get type info into qtcreator
[14:31] <mterry> dednick, fair.  But for normal plugins, it does get generated automatically?
[14:31] <mterry> Using the macros for installing the qmldir file?
[14:32] <dednick> mterry: the export_qmlplugin does it for you using qmlplugindump
[14:32] <dednick> mterry: export_qmlplugin macro i mean
[14:33] <mterry> dednick, OK, makes sense
[14:34] <tedg> Wellark, For quick lists are you creating a new service or is it part of the Unity8 mega memory space?
[14:38] <Saviq> guys, who has mako?
[15:00] <dednick> tedg: ping. can you please put a Position key in the indicator-network service file please?
[15:00] <tedg> NO!
[15:00] <tedg> Oh, okay, since you asked so nicely.
[15:00] <tedg> :-)
[15:01] <dednick> tedg: :) thanks
[15:39] <kgunn> mterry: ping
[15:42] <mterry> kgunn, hello
[15:43] <kgunn> mterry: hey....you gotta nexus4 right ?
[15:43] <kgunn> we're in the "go green" hotseat
[15:43] <kgunn> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3439/
[15:43] <mterry> kgunn, yeah
[15:43] <kgunn> mterry: can you take a look
[15:44] <mterry> kgunn, ok
[15:44] <kgunn> mterry: thanks so much....all failed which is weird...i hope its just some global bug with fmwk or something....
[15:46] <mterry> kgunn, do you know if there's a trick to running the tests, or do I just adb shell in and run "autopilot run unity8"?
[15:50] <kgunn> Saviq: ^ ?
[15:50] <kgunn> or MacSlow ^ ?
[15:50] <kgunn> since he's had so much AP fun lately :)
[15:51] <MacSlow> mterry, that's what I do...
[15:51] <MacSlow> mterry, did you do setup described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Autopilot/ ?
[15:52] <MacSlow> kgunn, hm... that seems to have been too much ;)
[15:53] <MacSlow> mterry, did you do setup described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/Autopilot/ ?
[15:53] <MacSlow> mterry, not sure if you got that... you just disconnected
[15:53] <mterry> MacSlow, yeah thanks, I just got it
[15:54] <mterry> MacSlow, will set up
[15:54] <mterry> is that autopilot PPA really still needed?  thought it all got in saucy
[15:57] <MacSlow> mterry, well it's got the most current bits... so I'd say yes
[15:57] <MacSlow> mterry, at least for "autopilot" itself
[15:58] <kgunn> mterry: not sure if you're familiar with that dashboard....but there are some links to artifacts/console output that i know the QA team recently updated to hold bette/more info....
[15:58] <Saviq> mterry, phablet-test-run -i -p unity8-autopilot -n unity8
[15:58] <kgunn> maybe there's a clue in there
[15:58] <Saviq> mterry, sets up everything-autopilot
[15:59] <Saviq> kgunn, no useful info there
[15:59] <kgunn> Saviq: :(
[15:59] <Cimi> I have something weird
[15:59] <Saviq> kgunn, all the tests basically say "didn't initialize in time"
[15:59] <mterry> Saviq, ooh, nice line.  From the device?
[15:59] <Saviq> mterry, no, from host
[15:59] <mterry> (once phablet-tools is installed)
[15:59] <mterry> k
[16:00] <Saviq> mterry, it only requires ssh on the device first
[16:00] <Cimi> within the component, just before emitting a signal called "swapped()", I put console.log("swapped called")
[16:00] <Cimi> on the file using the component
[16:00] <Cimi> onSwaped: console.log("swapped")
[16:00] <Cimi> swapped
[16:00] <Cimi> btw
[16:01] <Cimi> I don't get 1 "swapped" for each "swapped called"
[16:01] <Cimi> what??
[16:01] <Cimi> like it's not emitting signals
[16:03] <Saviq> Cimi, maybe there's a handler in a subclass?
[16:04] <Cimi> Saviq, sorry I don't get
[16:04] <Cimi> Saviq, component is crossfadeimage, signal swapped in the file
[16:05] <Cimi> Saviq, in shell.qml, inside the crossfadeimae component declaration, I have onswapped
[16:05] <Cimi> Saviq, it gets less events :-\
[16:05] <Cimi> I put onSwapped within crossfadeimage.qml and it gets all of them
[16:05] <Cimi> they are like not passed through the shell.qml
[16:07] <Cimi> it's actually missing one event, no idea why
[16:12] <Cimi> Saviq, ?
[16:12] <Saviq> Cimi, dunno, did you try putting onSwapped inside crossfadeimage
[16:12] <Cimi> Saviq, yes, and works...
[16:13] <Cimi> Saviq, inside Shell.qml, it's missing one signal
[16:13] <Cimi> most of them but not one
[16:14] <Saviq> Cimi, dunno, would have to try, but gtg now
[16:18] <Cimi> Saviq, enjoy weekend, thx
[16:24] <mterry> Hrm, seems like the touch object just isn't doing anything.  taps or drags
[16:27] <Saviq> mterry, I think that might be a complete input failure again
[16:27] <Saviq> mterry, stop unity8 as phablet
[16:27] <Saviq> mterry, sudo kill `pidof ubuntuappmanager`
[16:27] <Saviq> mterry, and try again
[16:28] <mterry> Saviq, ok
[16:29] <Saviq> mterry, to try, also check if you run indicators-client manually
[16:30] <Saviq> mterry, also, when you reproduce the lack of input
[16:32] <mterry> Saviq, didn't help
[16:32] <Saviq> mterry, interesting
[16:32] <Saviq> mterry, does your finger work?
[16:33] <mterry> Saviq, yes
[16:33] <Saviq> mterry, ok, so unity8 is stopped, right?
[16:33] <mterry> Saviq, I can get past the first problem, but next time it tries to use touch, it fails (well, nothing happens, then it times out)
[16:33] <Saviq> mterry, so one test completes?
[16:33] <mterry> Saviq, after autopilot runs, it pops up again.  I had manually stopped it like you said before
[16:34] <Saviq> mterry, don't use -n on phablet-test-run, it won't pop up then
[16:34] <mterry> Saviq, no.  The greeter swipes away, then the test fails the next time it tries to use touch
[16:34] <Saviq> mterry, ah so the greeter does swipe away
[16:34] <Saviq> mterry, so input in itself is there
[16:34] <mterry> If I do it manually
[16:34] <Saviq> mterry, how do the indicator client tests behave?
[16:35] <mterry> Saviq, let me check, I've been focusing on one of the greeter tests
[16:35]  * greyback eow
[16:35] <Saviq> mterry, real weird
[16:35] <greyback> bye all!
[16:35] <Saviq> greyback, o/
[16:37] <Saviq> mterry, make sure ubuntuappmanager is restarted and that unity8 doesn't start
[16:37] <Saviq> mterry, as uam sometimes gets "dirty" when the "real" unity8 starts
[16:38] <Saviq> mterry, weird that it would only affect nexus4 :/\
[16:44] <Cimi> anyone with ideas?
[16:44] <Cimi> why a signal is not passed to who is using the component?
[16:45] <mterry> Saviq, same behavior with indicator tests.  I can manually go through the test, but as soon as it tries to use self.pointing_device, nothing happens and the next assert fails
[16:47] <Saviq> mterry, can you go android-shell
[16:47] <Saviq> mterry, and see with getevent
[16:47] <Saviq> mterry, if the events even get through evdev?
[16:47] <Saviq> mterry, https://source.android.com/devices/tech/input/getevent.html
[16:47] <mterry> Saviq, ok
[16:49] <mterry> Saviq, nothing came through getevent
[16:49] <Saviq> mterry, and your finger does?
[16:49] <mterry> Saviq, yup
[16:49] <Saviq> mterry, ok, autopilot fail
[16:50] <Saviq> mterry, can you please file a bug
[16:50] <mterry> Saviq, sure.  Assigned to... thomi ?
[16:50] <Saviq> mterry, yeah
[16:50] <Saviq> it's saturday for them already, so we won't get better until Monday, but at least he might get to it before our Monday
[17:11] <dednick> larsu: ping
[17:15] <dednick> tedg: ping
[18:05] <tedg> dednick, pong
[18:05] <dednick> tedg: hey. was just wondering if you knew what happened to larsu today. hasnt been responding. is he away?
[18:05] <tedg> dednick, He's apparently on a train today.
[18:06] <dednick> tedg: either that or he's tired of my bitching ;)
[18:06] <dednick> tedg: ah right
[18:06] <tedg> Not sure what that means as far as when/if he'll be available.
[18:06] <dednick> tedg: well our days are over now, so i guess monday. no matter
[18:06] <tedg> dednick, Yeah, probably.
[18:07] <dednick> tedg: and thanks for the position update
[18:07] <tedg> dednick, No problem, did it work for you?
[18:08] <dednick> tedg: yup. all good. actually, is there a doc somewhere with the indicator position layout described?
[18:08] <tedg> dednick, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StatusBar
[18:09] <dednick> rotation lock indicator? pttf.
[18:11] <dednick> have a good weekend all
[18:31] <Wellark> tedg: quick lists?
[18:31] <tedg> Wellark, On the launcher
[18:32] <Wellark> == jump lists == launcher menus
[18:32] <Wellark> oh, ok
[18:32] <Wellark> (sorry, really laggy connection..)
[18:32] <tedg> NP, yes those.
[18:33] <Wellark> tedg: there is no service or anything as dynamic (runtime) entries are not supported before 14.04
[18:34] <Wellark> tedg: but I would say it would be part of the "mega" memoryspace once it's there
[18:34] <Wellark> it's just a simple dbus interface
[18:38] <tedg> Wellark, Okay, but it'll be published by the Unity8 connection.
[18:38] <tedg> Wellark, Security is wanting a list of interfaces
[18:38] <tedg> Wellark, So I'll add that to it.
[18:39] <tedg> Would be nice if we could split it out so that Unity 7 and 8 were using the same backend.
[18:41] <Wellark> tedg: can you send me an email on what info you need from me?
[18:41] <Wellark> I have to EOD
[18:41] <Wellark> or actually have already
[18:41] <tedg> Wellark, I don't need any other info.  That's it.  Have a good weekend!
[18:50] <Wellark> tedg: oh. one thing the security team should be aware off
[18:50] <Wellark> tedg: the unity actions
[18:50] <Wellark> now every application exposes a set of actions to dbus
[18:51] <Wellark> I would guess the default policy is to block any calls to the applications
[18:51] <Wellark> but the shell has to be able to invoke them
[18:51] <tedg> Wellark, Yeah, they're more worried about services right now.  But that is good to know.
[18:51] <Wellark> and later we need to implement some sort of app to app IPC
[18:52] <tedg> Uhm, perhaps.  Not sure if we want to do that.
[18:52] <Wellark> and at that point we need to extend security to those applications also
[18:52] <tedg> I think we want to always go through helpers.
[18:53] <Wellark> oh, sure. that's one way of doing it
[18:53] <Wellark> I just don't want random apps to have access to the unity actions of other apps in the first spin
[18:53] <Wellark> but that's probably the default
[18:57] <Wellark> tedg: but anyway, have a great weekend! :)
[18:58] <tedg> Have fun!


[09:48] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[20:47] <ChinnoDog> Has anyone ever tried playing a game using GPU resources on a cloud server? Asking because people are fond of cute low powered Linux devices but I wonder if maybe it would be easy to play a high end game remotely, like using NX and an AWS GPU instance.
[20:49] <ChinnoDog> $3.06/hr is steep for a server but not for playing a game on an nVidia Tesla v100 for a few hours. It is a lot cheaper than buying a gaming PC.
[21:03] <ChinnoDog> Apparently no one knows how fast a game will run on a v100 because they are only used for machine learning and nVidia doesn't want them to compete with desktop chips.
[21:10] <ChinnoDog> https://www.paperspace.com/gaming
[21:10] <ChinnoDog> There is the answer. Maybe I could survive with only a light and energy efficient laptop/tablet after all.


[03:56] <hggdh> k1l: i just got a pm from frewtc4ke
[04:08] <thepower1488> hello
[04:09] <thepower1488> phunyguy banned me for no reason
[04:09] <thepower1488> k1l: are you there?
[04:13] <phunyguy> thepower1488: you really have no idea why you were banned?
[04:13] <phunyguy> come back later when you are willing to be truthful.
[04:16] <thepower1488> i have no idea, other than saying nigger once and then someone told me about the code of conduct and then i stopped using those kinds of words
[04:18] <elky> are you sure that's all? remembering we have eyes.
[04:19] <thepower1488> yes i'm sure, i haven't done anything besides saying nigger
[04:19] <thepower1488> i don't remember anything else
[04:19] <elky> not even the antisemitic rant you had?
[04:19] <thepower1488> how is it antisemitic?
[04:19] <thepower1488> do you not know history?
[04:20] <elky> apparently i know it better than you
[04:20] <thepower1488> it's what happened
[04:20] <thepower1488> the fine brothers are on youtube taking down videos
[04:20] <phunyguy> how long must you keep this up?  Your entire purpose seems to be suckering people into arguing about racism.
[04:20] <thepower1488> they're trying to control business and people's lives
[04:20] <phunyguy> you are even showing that in this channel
[04:20] <thepower1488> that's what jews did pre world war 2
[04:20] <elky> yes i'm sure staff would be interested to know about this
[04:20] <thepower1488> hitler took care of that problem
[04:25] <hggdh> really? You found nothing new to do?
[04:26] <hggdh> thepower1488: so, anything else we can do for you here? If not, please /part
[21:46] <tvin> Anyone here?
[21:57] <tvin> Would someone please help me
[22:05] <tvin> chu DalekSec Flannel
[22:09] <chu> What's the problem tvin?
[22:10] <tvin> When I try to join ubuntu, it says I am banned
[22:10] <tvin> and it's been a long time since I have last been there
[22:10] <tvin> Months ago or something
[22:13] <tvin> chu, Are you still there?
[22:15] <chu> I am. Your ban was set about 3 months ago, but it appears you have quite a history.
[22:19] <tvin> chu, and?
[22:20] <tvin> Not sure what history you mean, and I don't know what to say to that. So can I please get unbanned now? I am not sure what I did wrong, but isn't three months long enough?
[22:27] <rww> @login
[22:27] <rww> @btlogin
[22:27] <rww> @btlogin
[22:27] <rww> there we go
[22:30] <rww> tvin: considering that you have the same behavior as you had in 2011, apparently not
[22:31] <tvin> What behavior?
[22:32] <rww> the one you have had explained to you multiple times in the past. please feel free to refer to your memory of previous encounters with #ubuntu-ops
[22:33] <ikonia> tvin: you're well known as true-purple, you've caused multiple problems, and had it all explained to you before, so just because your nickname has changed, I don't think we want you in the ubuntu channels any more
[22:34] <ikonia> it's that simple,
[22:34] <tvin> You're banning me for life?
[22:35] <ikonia> not really, but every time you join, it's a problem
[22:35] <ikonia> so probably best you joined somewhere else/depended on somewhere else until you don't cause a problem
[22:37] <tvin> That doesn't make sense, I don't know what problems you mean, setting aside that. Please explain this requirement for being unbanned
[22:37] <ikonia> "stop causing problems so that the operator team have to ban you and explain it to you again"
[22:37] <ikonia> I'm not going to go over all your bans again as it's been explained to you multiple times, I know I've spoken to you personally at least 3 times
[22:37] <tvin> "not cause a problem" do you think Ive been causing problems for 3 months that I havent qualified for this?
[22:38] <ikonia> no, because you've been banned
[22:38] <tvin> Yeah and in order to be unbanned -------?
[22:38] <ikonia> to be honest - you'll do well to just find somewhere else to gain support/help
[22:38] <ikonia> in order to be unbanned - we need to feel comfortable that you are not going to problem and give you yet another chance
[22:38] <tvin> Where else is there? So I am banned for life?
[22:38] <ikonia> and at this time - we don't
[22:38] <tvin> And how is that possible?
[22:38] <ikonia> ok - lets make it easier for you to grasp then
[22:39] <ikonia> "you're banned for life"
[22:39] <tvin> Where else is there to get help?
[22:39] <ikonia> no idea, the forums, other IRC channels, other IRC networks
[22:39] <tvin> What other IRC channels?
[22:39] <ikonia> no idea
[22:39] <ikonia> your problem to research them
[22:40] <ikonia> I hope you find a better support resource for you to use
[22:40] <ikonia> good luck and good bye
[22:40] <tvin> I doubt that
[22:40] <ikonia> well, bye then.
[22:40] <rww> !support
[22:40] <rww> for some URLs
[22:41] <tvin> Thankyou
[22:42] <tvin> Though I think I tried the forum before, waited forever and no replies
[22:42] <elky> everyone uses askubuntu instead now i think
[22:42] <tvin> I will try it
[22:44] <tvin> So that goes for ubuntu support too? Most people go to askubuntu instead of that?
[22:44] <rww> no idea, try the various venues and see which works best for you
[22:44] <tvin> OK
[22:46] <tvin> To clarify, is there a method to make you comfortable with me?
[22:47] <ikonia> no
[22:47] <ikonia> you've had too many chances
[22:47] <tvin> This is all false accusation anyway
[22:47] <ikonia> "ok"
[22:47] <ikonia> probably best you try those other resouces then.
[22:47] <ikonia> good luck with it,
 JUST WHO IS ME TYPE  /whois skraito-0x71
[23:25] <rww> i think he means on that other ircnet
[23:27] <k1l> i wonder why he doesnt nick skraito in here too, when he tells who he is anyway.
[23:27] <rww> because then he wouldn't be able to talk in all the channels with existing bans on that nick