[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79654 in update-manager (main) "checking repositories in synaptic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79654
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79655 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "depmod not run correctly for vmware modules" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79655
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79656 in gnome-app-install (main) "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute '_compile'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79656
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79657 in apport (main) "Copy and paste from expanded crash report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79657
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79658 in quarry (universe) "crashed when i clicked 'play'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79658
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79659 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror undos copy even if the file has changed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79659
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79660 in gdm (main) "gdmsetup halts on futex" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79660
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79661 in Ubuntu "Very slow logging in when no LAN is connected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79661
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79662 in Ubuntu "[feisty,alternate-cd x86]  kernel, not found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79662
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79663 in hpoj (universe) "Please sync hpoj (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79663
[01:04] <deezid> hi
[01:04] <deezid> I have the following problem: I cannot install ubunty feisty (alternate and live since herd2).
[01:05] <deezid> I've filed a bugreport for the alternate cd here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/79662
[01:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79662 in Ubuntu "[feisty,alternate-cd x86]  kernel, not found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[01:06] <deezid> I will do further testing with the amd64 version, too.
[01:07] <deezid> I had another error with the livecd. Kernel-Oops. More details tomorrow
[01:09] <deezid> The errors had their debut a few days after the hurd1 release. In hurd2 and newer releases they're still present.
[01:10] <deezid> oh, I mean herd 1 & 2, not hurd :D
[01:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79664 in ubiquity (main) "live install failed ubuntu 7.04 beta" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79664
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79665 in uqm (multiverse) "no menu entry in applications->games" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79665
[01:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71505 in python-fuse (universe) "python-fuse still supports only python2.4" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71505
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79666 in bluez-utils (main) "hcid crashdump" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79666
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79667 in apport (main) "cannot upload crashdumps from system users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79667
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79668 in sound-juicer (main) "Average Bit Rate MP3s report incorrect length" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79668
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79669 in Ubuntu "feisty installer does not detect firewire CD-ROM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79669
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79670 in briquolo (universe) "Dies hitting wall and bat together" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79670
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79672 in Ubuntu "install-remove bluefish warnings " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79672
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79673 in zynaddsubfx (universe) "zynaddsubfx produces core dump on-exit if run with no /dev/snd/seq device existing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79673
[02:53] <bddebian> Boo
[03:05] <TLE> aaargh
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79675 in kdebase (main) "konqueror crashes (segv) at orbitz.com" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79675
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79677 in network-manager (main) "wireless interface inactive after Suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79677
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79679 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79679
[05:09] <pkh> hi all.  I've got some time (and a little ability...) -- where do I start!
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79680 in i8kutils (universe) "Auto starting and respawning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79680
[05:10] <lifeless> pkh: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79681 in banshee (universe) "Banshee crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79681
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79682 in Ubuntu "Bug in the new language update on 16/01/2007" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79682
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79683 in libspf2 (universe) "spfquery: conflict with libmail-spf-query-perl Debian bug#306875" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79683
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79684 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79684
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79685 in anjuta (universe) "Anjuta crashes when F8 is pressed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79685
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79686 in Ubuntu "nautilus cd burner doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79686
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79687 in rhythmbox (main) "rythmbox crashes with gstreamer codecs and does not notice duplicates songs in the library" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79687
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80199 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "patch to enable LFE, spdif and mic on Dell Inspiron 9400" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80199
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80200 in python2.5 (main) "Latest python2.5-minimal update in Feisty fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80200
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80201 in ubuntu-restricted-extras (multiverse) "Wishlist - should add .rar support (unrar)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80201
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80202 in rar (multiverse) "Please sync rar 3.6.0-1 from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80202
[08:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80203 in totem (main) "double-clicking to go fullscreen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80203
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80204 in wxwidgets2.6 (universe) "python-wxgtk2.6: /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80204
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80205 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu Herd 2 - i386 Desktop CD - Installation Error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80205
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80206 in unrar-nonfree (multiverse) "Please sync unrar-nonfree 3.7.2-1 from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80206
[10:09] <dholbach> good morning
[10:09] <BugMaN> good morning dholbach! :-)
[10:10] <dholbach> hey BugMaN
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80208 in m2c (universe) "m2c segfaults on compiling" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80208
[10:25] <cjwatson> bug 79664> more German than I expected to need to write at this time in the morning
[10:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79664 in ubiquity "live install failed ubuntu 7.04 beta" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79664
[10:31] <dholbach> cjwatson: i'll take a look at it
[10:31] <dholbach> oh... well done! :)
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80210 in totem (main) "Totem 2.17.5 crashes when no CD inserted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80210
[10:37] <dholbach> seb128: i mostly stopped assigning bugs to desktop-bugs
[10:37] <seb128> dholbach: why?
[10:37] <dholbach> seb128: because I mostly check +subscribed-bugs anyway, since that's automatic
[10:39] <dholbach> seb128: or do you see any sense, why we should stick to that?
[10:39] <seb128> I like to have desktop bugs assigned to desktop team
[10:39] <seb128> so we know what we are responsive for
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80211 in Ubuntu "Backlight doesnt turn back on after suspend to ram" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80211
[10:40] <dholbach> isn't that mostly clear for the packages we are bug contact for?
[10:42] <seb128> well, having them assigned is a way to know that we did triage the bug
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80212 in Ubuntu "CPU 1 runs at 100% after spend to disk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80212
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80213 in cegui-mk2 (universe) "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80213
[10:47] <dholbach> seb128: that's what I change the bug importance for - that way we know that somebody in ubuntu-qa touched the bug
[10:47] <dholbach> seb128: but if it's your request, i'll assign dekstop-bugs again
[10:47] <seb128> well, I like to set ubuntu-desktop and I don't see a reason not doing it so I'll keep doing that ;)
[10:48] <seb128> no, feel free to do whatever match your workflow the best
[10:48] <seb128> I'll think about it
[10:48] <dholbach> alright
[10:48] <seb128> there is no point to have an assigne field if we don't use it though :p
[10:48] <dholbach> only if we'd use it for saying "*I* work on this, not Sb"
[10:48] <seb128> that's also a way to say to people who browse the bug list that the bug is something for desktop-team
[10:49] <dholbach> *nod*
[10:49] <seb128> otherwise the page has no mention of that
[10:49] <seb128> out of people knowing than gimp is a desktop team package or not
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80214 in firefox (main) "firefox add-on to prepend search engine queries" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80214
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80215 in alsa-driver (main) "Alsa does not work on Fujitsu-Simens Lifebook C1410" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80215
[11:01] <masuran> Hello
[11:02] <masuran>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80216 in Ubuntu "Screen freezes during installation on dell precision m70 laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80216
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80217 in kopete (main) "Remove a jabber service doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80217
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80218 in eog (main) "landscape printing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80218
[11:32] <masuran> Anybody here? Got a little question :)
[11:35] <palski> I'm here, but don't know do I have an answer =)
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80219 in Ubuntu "wireless card will not associate if static ip is used in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80219
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80220 in eog (main) "ability to print several images" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80220
[11:36] <masuran> If you can check bug  #80218 you can see it's just a feature request :) How do we reply to that?
[11:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80218 in gtk "landscape printing" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80218
[11:37] <persia> masuran: Feature requests are also bugs.  Perhaps someone will fix it :)
[11:37] <palski> masuran: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[11:38] <masuran> palski, thank you :)
[11:40] <palski> masuran: but that bug is already commented and forwarded to gnome-bugs
[11:41] <masuran> yes, right after I asked my question it was forwarded :) This is a fast team :D
[11:41] <palski> =)
[11:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69453 in at-spi (main) "Crash when setting mensaje as read" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69453
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80222 in xine-lib (main) "xine-lib does not support ogg theora video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80222
[12:08] <jwendell> dholbach, good morning!
[12:10] <dholbach> heya jwendell
[12:10] <dholbach> jwendell: HAPPY HUG DAY
[12:13] <jwendell> dholbach, ah, it's today, good!
[12:14] <dholbach> :-)
[12:14] <jwendell> dholbach, how we handle with bugs like bug 79608?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> dholbach: topic is cut off
[12:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79608 in xchat-systray "xchat-systray is not necessary in feisty anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79608
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80224 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice font rendering bad" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80224
[12:15] <dholbach> jwendell: confirm it's really ready to be removed from the archive, then subscribe 'ubuntu-archive' to get it removed
[12:20] <jwendell> dholbach<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[12:20] <dholbach> 'ubuntu-archive' is the team name
[12:21] <jwendell> dholbach, done, thanks
[12:22] <dholbach> thank you
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80227 in cacti (universe) "please sync cacti (0.8.6i-3) from unstable/main to universe" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80227
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80228 in osgal-cvs (universe) "Please sync osgal-cvs (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80228
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80229 in Ubuntu "more mime-type icons in default theme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80229
[12:31] <tsurc> Ive just downloaded Herd 2 but can't get it to install. I think Iv'e found a bug about no installable kernel. and during hardware detection vtty4 is reporting no kernel found repeatedly. How do I find out if the bug has already been reported.
[12:32] <TLE> search in LaunchPad.
[12:33] <TLE> I'm not a Herd Tester but I'm pretty sure that' I've seen something like that, about a missing kernel, so try and search for that
[12:34] <TLE> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80230 in update-manager (main) "update manager won't work in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80230
[12:40] <tsurc> TLE sounds like #79109 what can I do to help.
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69353 in hw-detect (main) "hw-detect freezes on Dell Latitude 600" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69353
[12:43] <TLE> tsurc: As you can see on the top the bug has allready been confirmed, and has the status of critical. Which all means that someone will be working on fixing as soon as they can
[12:44] <tsurc> cool, so nothing I can do. ;)
[12:45] <TLE> tsurc: Other than that, read through the thread and see if you have some new information to. Most importantly if you hardware setup is somewhat different so that it may indicate that this bug affects a lerger group than is mentioned in the thread
[12:46] <TLE> tsurc: The subscribe to the bug, so that if someone comes up with a way of fixing it you will know about it and be able to help test it
[12:46] <tsurc> great thanks ;)
[12:46] <TLE> tsurc: or if you're real coding and Linux smart you might start looking for the problem yourself
[12:46] <TLE> you're welcome
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80231 in sysinfo (universe) "sysinfo crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80231
[12:48] <tsurc> ooo... not sure about that, but its somewhere I's like to work to, one day.
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80232 in Ubuntu "gnomebaker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80232
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80233 in xen-tools (universe) "Recommends line contains two arch-specific and three Suggests entries." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80233
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68969 in ubiquity (main) "6.06 live CD: installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68969
[01:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80234 in language-selector (main) "fontconfig-voodoo crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80234
[01:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80235 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes on opening" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80235
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80236 in control-center (main) "gnome-control-center gnome theme manger crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80236
[01:08] <neutrinomass> dholbach: cond.or_cond is 'none' ...
[01:11] <dholbach> neutrinomass: thanks, i'll try something - hang on
[01:12] <dholbach> neutrinomass: can you try:  http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/patch ?
[01:12] <neutrinomass> ok (if you have time, I popped in here to make debugging easier )
[01:15] <neutrinomass> hm... it isn't crashing but I'm not getting any output either (just loads of 'None' )
[01:15] <dholbach> neutrinomass: that's ok
[01:15] <neutrinomass> Let me try to change ubiquity.info to something more general
[01:15] <dholbach> neutrinomass: there shouldn't be any 'or' statements in the stock ubiquity.info
[01:16] <neutrinomass> true...
[01:16] <neutrinomass> good, another bug fixed :) thanks
[01:16] <dholbach> i'll commit it to bughelper.main
[01:16] <dholbach> thanks a lot for helping out with that
[01:29] <cjwatson> TLE: missing kernel> I think that's happening to core 2 duo users at least, and I think I know why, but I need to get past other problems in order to diagnose it
[01:30] <cjwatson> TLE: the i82365 probing loop ain't helping
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80239 in language-selector (main) "Problem Report for language-selector-commo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80239
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80241 in adept (main) "adept-common depends on apt-index-watcher" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80241
[02:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80242 in Ubuntu "keyboard layout bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80242
[02:29] <MagicFab> hi- I' m here for bug's day, would like to join QA - read through the docs already
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80248 in update-manager (main) "e2fsprogs initscripts volumeid Update Issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80248
[02:41] <TeTeT> hi MagicFab
[02:45] <MagicFab> TeTeT,
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80249 in debian-installer (main) "Installer re-partitioning doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80249
[02:45] <MagicFab> So I am not sure where to begin today :) I'll be around and ask sfllaw later I guess
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80250 in graphviz (main) "need version update & python support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80250
[02:58] <MagicFab> Do I need additional permission to set a bug status to " Needs info"  for example ?
[03:00] <TLE> cjwatson: Ok now. I'm not actually working on any if those bugs, I just helped tsurc find it
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80251 in control-center (main) "Gnome Sound Properties crashes when selecting ALSA as Recording Input" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80251
[03:00] <TLE> MagicFab: no anybody can set the status. It's the importance setting that is retstricted
[03:00] <persia> MagicFab: If a bug is set to Needs Info, just be sure that the necessary questions about the information required are posted as comments to the bug first.
[03:02] <MagicFab> TLE where can I change the status on an existing bug ? I only see options for visibility/security, tags, and other but not for status
[03:03] <dsas> MagicFab: You can click on the package name in the "affects" line.
[03:03] <dsas> (the peachy coloured thing at the top)
[03:04] <cjwatson> TLE: sure, just propagating knowledge in case others come along
[03:04] <MagicFab> dsas, ok tx. I would have never thought of clicking there.
[03:04] <cjwatson> it's a weird UI
[03:04] <MagicFab> cjwatson, yeah
[03:05] <dsas> MagicFab: Yeah, I had to go and ask in #launchpad when I started. Lots of people trip up over that.
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80252 in Ubuntu "grey boot splash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80252
[03:06] <TLE> cjwatson: "just propagating knowledge in case others come along" good idea
[03:07] <TeTeT> MagicFab: I had the same experience with affects and there is a bug filed against lp on this usability issue
[03:07] <MagicFab> TeTeT, do u have the URL ? I would put all my influence on it :)
[03:10] <TeTeT> MagicFab: sorry, no URL at hand
[03:11] <cjwatson> it's been an issue roughly forever
[03:11] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/malone/+bug/1095
[03:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1095 in malone "Unnecessarily difficult to find how to change status or reassign a bug" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80253 in ubiquity (main) "Can't launch ubiquity on 20070117 feisty-desktop-i386.iso" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80253
[03:19] <cjwatson> 80253 is a debconf bug. Fixing shortly
[03:24] <MagicFab> cjwatson, tx., will subscribe to that. I commented the UI problem bug.
[03:25] <MagicFab> TeTeT, can you comment that bug too ? I made a suggestion there.
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80254 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "ueagle-atm kernel module causing high load average" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80254
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80255 in language-selector (main) "I have 0.2.2 language-selector and this bug(feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80255
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80256 in synaptic (main) "Move synaptic menu icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80256
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80257 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80257
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80260 in aptitude (main) "aptitude crashes if cd-rom is not present while installing more than one package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80260
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80258 in nautilus-cd-burner (main) ""copy disk" blocks at end" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80258
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76409 in nfs-utils (main) "rpc.gssd doesn't process -d option correctly" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76409
[03:47] <WaterSevenUb> Regarding bug #79406... openoffice.org-help-pt-pt does not exist and apparently it should. The field "Affects" should have openoffice.org or language-support-pt? thx.
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79406 in language-support-pt "Help in Portuguese" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79406
[03:49] <cjwatson> WaterSevenUb: openoffice.org-l10n
[03:49] <cjwatson> (which is the source package that builds openoffice.org-help-pt-br)
[03:50] <cjwatson> if the package just doesn't exist, then language-support-pt can't do much about that
[03:50] <WaterSevenUb> cjwatson, Yeah... I've originally posted correctly... someone changed it.... thx. Should I assign it to doko?
[03:51] <cjwatson> WaterSevenUb: no
[03:51] <cjwatson> doko is already automatically subscribed to OOo bugs, and you're not his manager so shouldn't be assigning work to him
[03:52] <WaterSevenUb> :) ok
[03:53] <MagicFab> cjwatson, I changed the description for that bug. (Ooo-pt help)
[04:09] <sfllaw> Happy Hug Day everybody!
[04:10] <sfllaw> MagicFab: Hi, saw your message.
[04:10] <MagicFab> sfllaw, hey
[04:10] <sfllaw> MagicFab: You want to join UbuntuQA?
[04:10] <sfllaw> We're processing applications today.
[04:10] <MagicFab> sfllaw, I' d like to, i am submitting / needing to assign status /importance to more and more bugs related to the support cases we get
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80263 in Ubuntu "system becomes unresponsive over the day" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80263
[04:11] <MagicFab> sfllaw, right now, just making sure I know how to properly fill bugs and help with existing ones.
[04:14] <cjwatson> sfllaw: how many pending applications are there?
[04:15] <sfllaw> cjwatson: 33.  But some of them don't respond to e-mail.  :(
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80262 in Ubuntu "X does not start with SAM2 Abit NF-M2S NVidia 6100" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80262
[04:15] <sfllaw> dous: Ping?
[04:16] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Ping?
[04:16] <sfllaw> fernando: Ping?
[04:16] <fernando> sfllaw: Pong
[04:17] <sfllaw> fernando: You applied to join UbuntuQA?
[04:18] <pcollaog> hi
[04:18] <sfllaw> pcollaog: Welcome!
[04:18] <fernando> sfllaw: yes, but i can to accept for now.
[04:18] <sfllaw> "can to accept"?
[04:18] <pcollaog> i need a little help with feisty...
[04:18] <pcollaog> doesn't start :( with the las kernel
[04:19] <pcollaog> any bug for reference?
[04:19] <andcor> Hi, i'm not the programming ekspert, but I would like to help at hug-day, how can I ?
[04:20] <sfllaw> pcollaog: I'd suggest looking under the linux-source-2.6.20 to see if you can find a related bug.
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80264 in kdewebdev (main) "Recommends 'wdg-html-reference' package, but it doesn't exists (dup-of: 79075)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80264
[04:20] <sfllaw> andcor: A good place to get a feel for things is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[04:20] <sfllaw> andcor: Let us know if you have any questions!
[04:20] <fernando> sfllaw: I'm not ready for qa responsibilities =) other time
[04:20] <andcor> sfllaw: Thanks
[04:20] <pcollaog> sfllaw, i think the problem ... maybe in the initrd.img
[04:21] <sfllaw> fernando: All right.  I'm going to reject you to clear you out of the queue.  Feel free to reapply at a later date.
[04:21] <fernando> sfllaw: thank you
[04:21] <pcollaog> because can't find the volumeid from the hard disc..
[04:22] <sfllaw> fernando: No, thank you!
[04:22] <pcollaog> with the kernel 2.6.19-7 start normally
[04:24] <sfllaw> pcollaog: Does update-initramfs help?  Does this kernel only break on your computer?  Is there anything funny inside the initramfs?
[04:24] <sfllaw> predius: Ping?
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80265 in gnome-mount (main) "bubble appears over the panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80265
[04:25] <pcollaog> sfllaw... nop... no funny things inside the initramfs... just upgrade my kernel with apt
[04:26] <bac> #QUIT
[04:26] <sfllaw> bac: I don't think that's right.
[04:26] <sfllaw> pcollaog: Is there a bug filed about it?
[04:26] <bac> clearly itr's a bug!
[04:26] <bac> clearly itr's a bug!;-)
[04:27] <pcollaog> nop... just y try the get more info...
[04:27] <pcollaog> well y think that will be reported in bugtraker
[04:28] <sfllaw> pcollaog: You could be the first to bump into it.
[04:29] <MagicFab> sfllaw, triaging includes setting importance.. but I can' t seem to do that. Do I have to show status assigbnment skills before being able to set importance ?
[04:31] <sfllaw> MagicFab: Finding duplicates, doing Needs Info work, and looking into the causes of a bug are the big things we're looking for.
[04:31] <MagicFab> ok
[04:31] <sfllaw> MagicFab: After you've done a bit of that, and have read Bugs/Importance, you'll be ready.
[04:33] <MagicFab> I already have several of those. How many do you need to look at ? I was thinking ~ 30. Seing that ubotu makes it so easy to catch recently reported bugs, I think I' ll be doing quite a bit (out of my shift)
[04:33] <sfllaw> You should just show me about 3-5 that you think you're particularly proud of.
[04:33] <MagicFab> sfllaw, ok
[04:34] <sfllaw> Mez: Ping?
[04:35] <sfllaw> rpereira: Ping?
[04:35] <sfllaw> bddebian: Hey!
[04:36] <bddebian> Hi sfllaw
[04:36] <Mez> sfllaw,  sup?
[04:36] <andcor> sfllaw: Do I understand the page right if I say that the thing you would want me to do is bug triaging ?
[04:36] <sfllaw> Mez: You applied to join UbuntuQA, but you're actually part of the Dev Team already.
[04:36] <andcor> Or is there anything more important and time pressing ?
[04:37] <Mez> sfllaw, ...?
[04:37] <sfllaw> andcor: Well, lots of things are equally important, but for bug work, bug triaging is quite essential.
[04:38] <sfllaw> Mez: You're Martin Meredith, right?
[04:38] <andcor> sfllaw: I just want to help you guys where you most want it
[04:38] <sfllaw> andcor: We need help everywhere!  Ubuntu is a big community project.
[04:39] <TLE> hey andcor you dropped by
[04:39] <MagicFab> Should I reject or close a bug that is a duplicate of another bug that has been fixed ?
[04:40] <andcor> ok, i'll start triaging, and when I have boosted up my programming skills and have a little more free time i'll maybe help sorting bugs
[04:40] <crimsun> MagicFab: has it already been marked a dupe?
[04:40] <MagicFab> crimsun, yes
[04:40] <crimsun> MagicFab: then don't touch it
[04:40] <andcor> TLE: yeah, thougt it was a good cause
[04:40] <sfllaw> MagicFab: There's no need to close bugs that are duplicates.
[04:40] <sfllaw> MagicFab: They don't turn up in searches any more.
[04:40] <Mez> sfllaw, yes
[04:40] <TLE> andcor: great
[04:41] <MagicFab> sfllaw, I searched for " unconfirmed, assigned to no one" , that' s how I found it
[04:41] <andcor> TLE: Thought I would do some triaging
[04:41] <sfllaw> Mez: You applied for https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa/+members
[04:41] <Mez> sfllaw, I just went on a mad thing and joined all the ubuntu-*groups that I didnt seem to be a part of
[04:41] <sfllaw> Mez: Ah.
[04:41] <Mez> I musta missed that I was
[04:41] <TLE> andcor: sound like a good idea, there's plenty to sink your teeth in
[04:41] <andcor> TLE: looks like it
[04:41] <sfllaw> Mez: Well, you already have all the permissions that are granted therein because of your Dev Team status.
[04:42] <sfllaw> Mez: If you want to be part of another team though, please follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[04:42] <sfllaw> So as part of this Hug Day, I want to welcome two interns that we have working in the Montreal office.
[04:42] <sfllaw> Everyone, say "hi" to cburg and mikebro.
[04:42] <crimsun> cburg: / mikebro: welcome!
[04:43] <sfllaw> They'll be in the office with us until April.
[04:43] <TLE> andcor: and someone will be here to give you a hug after your first triaging
[04:43] <cburg> Hello everyone.
[04:43] <mikebro> Hello
[04:43] <andcor> TLE: you get hugs for triaging ? ;-)
[04:44] <MagicFab> cburg, mikebro great :) haven' t said hi yet - I am at support just on the other side of that wall (well, I arrive at 3pm)
[04:44] <TLE> andcor: yep
[04:44] <andcor> TLE: nice
[04:44] <MagicFab> cburg, mikebro I' ll make it up with some Ubuntu stickers :D
[04:47] <sfllaw> yuriy: Ping?
[04:49] <andcor> TLE: I've got an bug here that says that xrandr doesn't reset his settings at logout, but I don't think it is supposed to
[04:49] <andcor> TLE: how can I find out what to do with that
[04:51] <TLE> andcor: do you have a bug number, it'll make it easier for the others in here to help yo also ?
[04:52] <andcor> TLE: #50102
[04:53] <andcor> TLE :doesn't say that much, but before asking bout more info, I just wanted to be sure if xrandr is supposed to reset at log out
[04:53] <TLE> andcor: yeah, I don't know but there is another way to go on
[04:54] <andcor> TLE: listening
[04:54] <TLE> andcor: since this bug has been filed before edgy, and clearly isn't serious enough to warrant an updated package, then mark it as needs info and ask the user if the bug is still present in edgy
[04:55] <andcor> ok, sure
[04:55] <TLE> andcor: remember to click to email to notify you of changes
[04:55] <andcor> yeah
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80266 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Ubiquity crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80266
[04:56] <TLE> andcor: then add this bug to (what ever tool you want to use to make a) bug TODO list and return later. I usually give it 30 days but I don't know what the standard is
[04:57] <andcor> TLE: ok, and if there isn't an answer before the 30 days gone past, then I reject the bug, or do I just wait longer ?
[04:57] <sfllaw> TLE: You can get a list of your assigned bugs.
[04:57] <sfllaw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~sfllaw/+assignedbugs
[04:57] <sfllaw> If you assign a bug to yourself when you set it to Needs Info, this works really well.
[04:58] <TLE> then if it hasn't been answered, you reject it, and make a comment to the initial reporter that he can reopen it if it is still present
[04:59] <cjwatson> make sure to unassign it when you're not responsible for following it any more
[04:59] <TLE> sfllaw: yeah I know, but I like to have some more features, like being able to set a "look at this next time" date and make my own comments
[04:59] <sfllaw> TLE: Fair enough.
[04:59] <TLE> sfllaw: So far I use the TODO list in evolution though it is hardly optimal
[04:59] <TLE> sfllaw: but thanks for the info anyway
[05:00] <andcor> TLE: Thanks for the help
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71653 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Sudden crash/close" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71653
[05:01] <TLE> I wouldn't mind seeing that functionality in LP though, but I guess that's stuff for a dev. spec. proposal ;)
[05:01] <TLE> andcor: you are welcome
[05:02] <TLE> andcor: if you get an answer we can look at it again
[05:02] <andcor> thanks
[05:05] <dholbach> MagicFab: welcome to the BugSquad!
[05:05] <MagicFab> dholbach, tx
[05:05] <MagicFab> dholbach, working my way through to QA
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80268 in avahi (main) "Avahi daemon should not try to resolve hostnames during bootup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80268
[05:06] <dholbach> Thanks a lot for helping out!
[05:07] <MagicFab> The importance status of upstream-reported bugs does not seem to be updated although it is set upstream - where should I look for an existing bug report fot his or to report it ?
[05:07] <MagicFab> Example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/54034
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54034 in xfce4-panel "XFCE Kiosk Mode Broken" [Unknown,Fix released]
[05:07] <dholbach> MagicFab: maybe the upstream bug was added less than a day ago?
[05:07] <dholbach> MagicFab: afaik the upstream status is updated only once a day
[05:07] <MagicFab> dholbach, no, it'
[05:08] <dholbach> oh... ok - the status is updated, but not the importance
[05:08] <MagicFab>  it' s >6mo
[05:08] <dholbach> best to ask in #launchpad
[05:08] <dholbach> I have no idea about that - iirc it's jamesh who hacked on the bug watch updater magic.
[05:08] <MagicFab> dholbach, tx, just did
[05:08] <dholbach> rock'n'roll :)
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80269 in amarok (main) "amarok missing dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80269
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71783 in firefox (main) "Problem using Exchange webmail" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71783
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68993 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Resume from suspend to RAM does not work with sata disk (dup-of: 68927)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68993
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80271 in gnomebaker (universe) "Can't create CD iso in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80271
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80270 in firefox (main) "Firefox dies during save dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80270
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80272 in evince (main) "does not print remote pdf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80272
[05:45] <MagicFab> How is this uspposed to be triaged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-xkb-plugin/+bug/76581
[05:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76581 in xfce4-xkb-plugin "SRU: xfce4-xkb-plugin in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:47] <crimsun> MagicFab: it's proper in its current state
[05:47] <cjwatson> MagicFab: don't bother, aside from making sure that ubuntu-sru or motu-sru as appropriate are subscribed
[05:47] <cjwatson> I'll fix up the subscriptions now
[05:49] <MagicFab> what is sru ?
[05:50] <cjwatson> MagicFab: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[05:50] <cjwatson> I've dealt with 76581 now
[05:50] <MagicFab> oh -ok. and wait - I originally reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-xkb-plugin/+bug/53532 ! :D small world
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53532 in xfce4-xkb-plugin ""Per application settings" lost between sessions" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80273 in python-defaults (main) "Python crashes when opening Pypanel (64bit proc)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80273
[05:59] <jwendell> dholbach, around?
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80267 in bzr-svn "commit adding a file fails  (dup-of: 79330)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80267
[06:01] <dholbach> jwendell: yep
[06:02] <yuriy> sfllaw: pong
[06:02] <sfllaw> yuriy: You applied to UbuntuQA.  We're processing applications today.  Are you ready?
[06:02] <dholbach> go sfllaw go!
[06:02] <cypher1> HUG DAY!!
[06:03] <cypher1> hi dholbach , sfllaw !
[06:03] <dholbach> hi cypher1
[06:03] <sfllaw> cypher1: Hellos!
[06:03] <jwendell> dholbach, can you run gdmsetup on your machine? i have a updated feisty and it does not start, no error message
[06:03] <yuriy> sfllaw: yeah
[06:03] <cypher1> how are you dholbach , sfllaw
[06:03] <dholbach> cypher1: fine fine - how are YOU?
[06:03] <sfllaw> yuriy: Have you consulted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?
[06:03] <dholbach> jwendell: that's a known bug
[06:03] <cypher1> dholbach, fine here too :)
[06:03] <dholbach> great :)
[06:03] <yuriy> sfllaw: yeah, i read the pages
[06:04] <sfllaw> cypher1: A little patch of sunlight is warming my foot.  I'm very content.
[06:04] <jwendell> dholbach, really? i found nothing in LP
[06:04] <sfllaw> yuriy: So, are you polite to our users, no matter what?
[06:04] <cypher1> sfllaw, cool :) .. hope "cool" does not cool your feet ;)
[06:04] <sfllaw> yuriy: Have you read HowToTriage and Importance pages?
[06:04] <yuriy> sfllaw: I worked on bugs a bunch last spring and again over the past month.  I listed a few at the bottom of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/YuriyKozlov
[06:04] <yuriy> sfllaw: yeah, i do my best! and i did read the pages
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80274 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashes on start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80274
[06:05] <dholbach> jwendell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-glib/+bug/71248
[06:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71248 in dbus "apps using dbus hang when runned with sudo" [Unknown,In progress]
[06:06] <jwendell> ahh
[06:06] <sfllaw> yuriy: Looks good.  Welcome to the team!
[06:06] <yuriy> sfllaw: thanks!
[06:07] <cypher1> jwendell,can you please tell which bug are you talking about
[06:08] <jwendell> cypher1, look above, dholback pointed
[06:08] <cypher1> jwendell, ok :)
[06:09] <somerville32> sfllaw, Would we be able to get a confirmed procedure for bug reports that are really feature requests but not big enough to warrant a specification?
[06:10] <dsas> somerville32: set them to wishlist and punt them upstream is what I do.
[06:10] <sfllaw> somerville32: That's fairly reasonable.
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80275 in Ubuntu "installer crashed (kubuntu 7.04)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80275
[06:10] <sfllaw> I'm not really sure what to do.
[06:11] <somerville32> Most people seem to set it to wishlist and confirmed and thank them.
[06:12] <cjwatson> that seems entirely appropriate
[06:13] <cjwatson> we're a bit overloaded with specifications that shouldn't be
[06:13] <cjwatson> (makes it difficult to find useful things at the start of each feature cycle)
[06:18] <sfllaw> cjwatson: The problem seems to be that we never actually fix wishlist bugs.
[06:18] <sfllaw> yuriy: Sorry, I forgot to hit the "Approve" button.
[06:19] <sfllaw> yuriy: You're actually in now.  :)
[06:19] <cjwatson> sfllaw: real bugs are always higher priority than new features (aside from commercially-driven ones), but I think "never" is a bit strong
[06:21] <yuriy> well shouldn't they generally go upstream anyways
[06:22] <cjwatson> that depends
[06:23] <cjwatson> wishlist bugs can be distro-specific just like non-wishlist bugs
[06:23] <cjwatson> a whole bunch of mine are
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69421 in ieee80211 (universe) "ieee80211 won't make (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69421
[06:30] <salgado> a bunch of bugs have been marked as dupes of bug 63418
[06:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during bootup" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63418
[06:30] <salgado> bug 70169, bug 69421, bug 69246
[06:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70169 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "Dapper --> Edgy upgrade doesn't install proper l-r-m package (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70169
[06:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during bootup" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63418
[06:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69421 in ieee80211 "ieee80211 won't make (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69421
[06:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during bootup" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63418
[06:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69246 in Ubuntu "Network link is not ready at boot (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69246
[06:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during bootup" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63418
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80276 in kdebase (main) "konqueror doesn't display left arrow math symbol" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80276
[06:31] <salgado> could it be somebody testing the bughelper on production?
[06:31] <sfllaw> Burgwork: Welcome!
[06:31] <Burgwork> hey sfllaw
[06:33] <dsas> salgado: Bughelper only reads LP not write.
[06:35] <dholbach> salgado: are you experiencing high load?
[06:35] <salgado> dholbach, no, it's just that https://launchpad.net/~pwwnow has marked a lot of bugs as dupes of bug 63418, and they have nothing to do with that bug
[06:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during bootup" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63418
[06:36] <dholbach> salgado: ah ok... sorry - didn't read that above. as dsas said: bughelper just uses urllib.urlopen(..).read() on LP
[06:37] <dholbach> dsas: maybe we should have our own http client id at some stage, also printing the version
[06:37] <dholbach> or "http agent id"
[06:38] <dsas> dholbach: Sounds like an idea. Should be easy to do I think.
[06:39] <salgado> dholbach, right, then the guy seems to have no clue on what he's doing... I only noticed this because notifications of bugs to which I'm subscribed fall into my inbox
[06:39] <salgado> I hope he's not doing the same with other bugs
[06:40] <dholbach> right
[06:40] <sfllaw> salgado: Do we have activity logs for users?
[06:40] <dholbach> salgado: i really hope bughelper doesn't cause LP grief
[06:40] <dsas> heh, it's times like this a "show all duplicate bugs" search box would be handy.
[06:40] <sfllaw> Aside from just Karma?
[06:40] <salgado> sfllaw, no
[06:40] <sfllaw> salgado: That's unfortunate.
[06:41] <salgado> indeed
[06:42] <bdmurray> sfllaw: here now
[06:42] <dholbach> dsas: maybe it'd involve modifying urllib.URLopener.version
[06:42] <sfllaw> salgado: What's the group of LP people who can actually see people's e-mail addresses?
[06:42] <sfllaw> bdmurray: You've applied for UbuntuQA.  Today we are processing candidates.
[06:42] <dholbach> sfllaw: you have the mail address in the mail that tells you that somebody wants to join the team
[06:42] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Would you be ready?
[06:43] <salgado> sfllaw, if the person has choosen to hide email addresses then only members of launchpad.net/~admins can see them
[06:43] <bdmurray> sfllaw: yes, I believe so
[06:43] <dholbach> dsas: if nobody does it before, I think i'll have a go at it, when I think about bughelper doing the LP page cache
[06:43] <dholbach> sfllaw: at least that's how i do it, when I want to talk to people before
[06:43] <sfllaw> dholbach: Even for people who hide their e-mail?  I should start saving those then.
[06:43] <dholbach> sfllaw: yes
[06:44] <MagicFab> dholbach, sfllaw I did a few bugs during this morning. I've put the links on my wiki. Can either of you tell me if I can apply for QA or if I should do more ?
[06:44] <dholbach> sfllaw: it'S in reply-to or something
[06:44] <MagicFab> They' re listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fabi%c3%a1nRodr%c3%adguez/QAApplication
[06:44] <dholbach> MagicFab: sfllaw mostly takes care of ubuntu-qa
[06:44] <MagicFab> dholbach, ok noted :)
[06:44] <dholbach> MagicFab: ROCK :)
[06:44] <sfllaw> And dholbach mostly takes care of BugSquad.
[06:45] <dholbach> (and other teams :-))
[06:45] <sfllaw> Man, how do you keep up?
[06:45] <sfllaw> salgado: Can we extract an activity log for pwwnow?
[06:45] <dholbach> sfllaw: I just try to keep up :-)
[06:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80279 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "IPv6 Router Advertisements are not accepted or not processed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80279
[06:47] <MagicFab> sfllaw,  I did a few bugs during this morning. I've put the links on my wiki. Can you tell me if I can apply for QA or if I should do more ? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fabi%c3%a1nRodr%c3%adguez/QAApplication
[06:48] <MagicFab> sfllaw, just requested membership on the LP QA team, awaiting your review
[06:49] <salgado> sfllaw, we could do something by looking at actions on bugs performed by him, but that's somewhat limited since there may be actions that are not recorded and it's also restricted to bugs
[06:50] <sfllaw> salgado: Oy.
[06:50] <sfllaw> bdmurray, MagicFab: I'll be with you after I do some research on 63418.
[06:51] <MagicFab> sfllaw, np - I' ll go water the flowers, then :)
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80280 in Ubuntu "RNDIS driver does not work as a module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80280
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80281 in partitioner (universe) "partition the disk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80281
[06:59] <cjwatson> that's so not in partitioner
[06:59] <cjwatson> unless they're on, like, s390
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71773 in yum (universe) "Unable to run Yum in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71773
[07:01] <sfllaw> cjwatson: Ha!  :)  Source package names are sometimes very unintuitive.
[07:02] <sfllaw> bdmurray: All right.
[07:02] <sfllaw> bdmurray: 1. Are you polite?
[07:02] <sfllaw> bdmurray: 2.  Do you have a list of triaged bugs?
[07:03] <sfllaw> MagicFab: Similar questions...
[07:03] <MagicFab> sfllaw, yes to the 3
[07:03] <MagicFab> sfllaw, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fabi%c3%a1nRodr%c3%adguez/QAApplication for some bugs I' ve triaged
[07:05] <sfllaw> MagicFab: Please assign yourself to bugs that you change to Needs Info.
[07:05] <bdmurray> sfflaw: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Where should I put it?
[07:05] <bdmurray> sfllaw: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Where should I put it?
[07:05] <MagicFab> sfllaw, ok
[07:05] <sfllaw> MagicFab: And then unassign yourself after you change it to Rejected or Confirmed.
[07:05] <sfllaw> MagicFab: This is documented in Bugs/HowToTriage.
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80282 in xen-3.0 (main) "no xen-3.0 in feisty" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80282
[07:05] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Anywhere?  Pastebin?
[07:06] <sfllaw> MagicFab: See bug 53897
[07:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53897 in xfce4-panel "Disappearing panels Xubuntu dapper" [Unknown,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53897
[07:06] <stoone> hi
[07:06] <stoone> how can i get the ./configure options of a deb package? (i want to recompile some packages with debugging symbols.)
[07:07] <MagicFab> ok
[07:08] <sfllaw> MagicFab: Welcome to the team!
[07:08] <MagicFab> I see I can now set importance, and milestone. So not touching milestone
[07:08] <sfllaw> Good plan.
[07:09] <sfllaw> Milestones will get changed closer to release.
[07:09] <sfllaw> I need to write something up about that.
[07:09] <MagicFab> Oh, and importance is required! Makes sense :)
[07:09] <MagicFab> tx
[07:10] <bdmurray> sfllaw: 3. http://pastebin.com/861434
[07:12] <sfllaw> bdmurray: I'll get back to you when I return.
[07:12] <sfllaw> Will you still be online?
[07:12] <bdmurray> sfllaw: most likely.  About how long will you be?
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80284 in Ubuntu "Feisty Fawn Herd 2 installer's partitioner crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80284
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80285 in emerald-themes (universe) "Emerald Theme Manager crashes at klicking right mouse button at title bar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80285
[07:27] <dholbach> http://launchpad.net/bughelper/+milestone/0.1
[07:27] <dholbach> looks good :)
[07:28] <dholbach> i think i'll grab bug 79220
[07:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79220 in bughelper "RFE: automate simple adding and changing of info clues" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79220
[07:29] <dholbach> dsas: you think we should change the http user agent string for 0.1?
[07:30] <dholbach> salgado: would that help you for statistics?
[07:30] <dsas> dholbach: If the LP guys need/want it. It's trivial to do.
[07:31] <salgado> dholbach, that'd be very good!
[07:31] <dholbach> does "bughelper <version we determine anyway> (<urllib standard reply>)" sound good?
[07:33] <dsas> u-a are usually product/<version> I think. but yes
[07:34] <dholbach> i'm happy with that too
[07:34] <dholbach> somebody should file a 0.1 bitesize bug about that :)
[07:34] <dsas> dholbach: Will do!
[07:35] <dholbach> dsas: gracias
[07:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80286 in thunar (main) "thunar crash on open of archive file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80286
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80287 in pysol (universe) "Doesn't start in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80287
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80289 in thunar (main) "Thunar crashes when opening home folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80289
[07:53] <dsas> dholbach: If my branch contains the fix for bug X should I then create the fix for bug Y in a separate clean branch?
[07:53] <dsas> if X has not yet been merged.
[07:54] <dholbach> dsas: not necessarily, if you didn't do HUGE, complicated changes, it's mostly easy enough to find out by running   bzr diff -r <revision>
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80292 in amule (universe) "Close Tabs-close all.." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80292
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80293 in kvm (universe) "kvm can't initialize due to old kvm kernel version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80293
[07:56] <dsas> dholbach: Ok, the changes are for different files so I guess it doesn't matter this time. Just checking for the future...
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80291 in gaim (main) "AIM no longer connects and eventually crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80291
[07:56] <dholbach> dsas: cool - thanks a lot for helping out!
[07:57] <dsas> dholbach: no problem :)
[07:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80290 in ubiquity (main) "Kubuntu installer crashes while partitioning step (step 6 of 7)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80290
[07:59] <dholbach> ok, the '-sa' feature is in the bag
[07:59] <dholbach> YEEEEHAW!
[07:59] <dholbach> just need to find libxml2's prettyprint feature again
[08:00] <dholbach> it writes all the xml in one line now ;-)
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80294 in Ubuntu "Alternate Installer hangs after looking for CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80294
[08:02] <dsas> dholbach: cool!
[08:02] <dholbach> found it :-)
[08:02] <dholbach> *HAPPY*
[08:08] <dholbach> ok, committed to ~dholbach/bughelper/bughelper.dev - if anybody cares to test
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80296 in Ubuntu "[Sync Request]  openarena (0.6.0-1) from debian unstable/main to universe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80296
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80297 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "sata_via not working anymore - kernel 2.6.20" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80297
[08:17] <dholbach> dsas: man, you're damn quick!
[08:17] <dholbach> hehehehe
[08:17] <dholbach> ROCK
[08:17] <dsas> There were docs and examples already in diveintopython and the python docs :)
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80298 in scons (main) "can`t set-up or uninstall scons" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80298
[08:24] <dholbach> dsas: works nicely
[08:24] <dholbach> dsas: committing to bughelper.main
[08:24] <dsas> dholbach: cool, thanks.
[08:24] <dholbach> dsas: thank YOU!
[08:27] <dholbach> pushed :-)
[08:29] <dholbach> gngngn, I committed the 'bugxml -sa' thing to .main by accident
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80300 in Ubuntu "[Sync Request]  openarena-data (0.6.0-1) from debian unstable/main to universe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80300
[08:31] <dsas> dholbach: I managed to crash bugxml - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1966/
[08:32] <dholbach> interesting - why didn't i get that?
[08:32] <dholbach> i'll check
[08:33] <dholbach> it tells me that it needs 3 arguments
[08:33] <dholbach> (if i enter, what you did)
[08:34] <dholbach> and I don't quite get, how it ends up in the rng_validate() thing - I don't call that in that part of the code... hmmm
[08:35] <dsas> I don't already have a libxine clue file btw.
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80301 in glade-3 (universe) "Add support for launchpad-integration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80301
[08:36] <dsas> dholbach_ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1966/
[08:36] <dsas> oops
[08:36] <dsas> dholbach_: I don't already have a libxine clue file btw.
[08:36] <dholbach> dsas: it should create it
[08:37] <dholbach> dsas: what happens if you write   bugxml -sa totem "libxine.so" "get debug traces"
[08:37] <dholbach> (adding totem source package name)
[08:39] <dsas> dholbach: same again
[08:39] <dholbach> hum
[08:39] <dholbach> i have a different line 43
[08:39] <dholbach> is that really "if not XMLOperations.rng_validate(schema, xml_file):"?
[08:40] <dsas> hmm, that is weird.
[08:41] <dsas> print "Package %s does not exist." % sys.argv[2]  is at line 43
[08:41] <dholbach> ah ok
[08:41] <dholbach> if you run    ./bugxml <.....>      does that work?
[08:41] <dsas> haha
[08:41] <dsas> yes
[08:41] <dholbach> yeeeha
[08:42] <dsas> dholbach: rock!
[08:43] <dholbach> dsas: man... we're so 0.1! :-)
[08:43] <DktrKranz> guys, what about bughelper?
[08:44] <DktrKranz> some improvements so far?
[08:44] <dsas> dholbach: :), 3 to go.
[08:44] <dholbach> DktrKranz: you could say that :)
[08:44] <DktrKranz> great :D
[08:44] <dholbach> we'll have a meeting about it tomorrow
[08:44] <dholbach> to discuss where we're going
[08:44] <DktrKranz> where?
[08:44] <dholbach> #ubuntu-meeting, Jan, 18th, 15:00 UTC
[08:45] <dholbach> ah sorry
[08:45] <dholbach> #ubuntu-bugs, Jan, 18th, 15:00 UTC
[08:45] <DktrKranz> 15? mmmh
[08:45] <dholbach> (that's what I said in the mail)
[08:45] <DktrKranz> i'll be at work
[08:45] <DktrKranz> will you keep logs, isn't it?
[08:45] <dholbach> DktrKranz: I'll send a link to the logs to ubuntu-bugsquad@
[08:45] <DktrKranz> well done
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80302 in glade-3 (universe) "Improved package descriptions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80302
[08:46] <dholbach> and add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper
[08:46] <dholbach> dsas: I think we should work on the remaining 0.1 items, then have 2 weeks of testing it within the team, then do the release to the archive
[08:47] <dholbach> (and adding of clue files of course)
[08:48] <dholbach> i'll close bug 79220
[08:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79220 in bughelper "RFE: automate simple adding and changing of info clues" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79220
[08:49] <dsas> dholbach: Sounds good!
[08:50] <dsas> Hmm, I think I'm in uni when the meeting is on tomorrow :(
[08:50] <dholbach> oh :-/
[08:50] <dholbach> seems I picked a bad time
[08:50] <DktrKranz> :)
[08:51] <dholbach> we should probably update the documentation (in bzr and the wiki) to reflect   bugxml -sa <..>  and then write a list to ubuntu-bugsquad@ also
[08:52] <dholbach> so everybody adds clues to it as they triage bugs and work on it
[08:55] <DktrKranz> what about "I/O warning : failed to load external entity "packages/git-core.info"?
[08:55] <dsas> dholbach: what does the -sa stand for?
[08:55] <dholbach> dsas: simple add
[08:56] <dholbach> DktrKranz: that's when a bug has more than tasks and it can't find a clue file about that source package
[08:56] <dholbach> DktrKranz: we could probably suppress libxml2's warning and display something that is more meaningful
[08:56] <DktrKranz> good idea
[08:57] <dholbach> DktrKranz: want to file a bitesize bug that is milestoned for 0.1 about that? :)
[08:57] <DktrKranz> of course
[08:57] <dholbach> DktrKranz: thanks a lot!
[08:57] <DktrKranz> you're welcome :D
[08:58] <DktrKranz> it's bugday!
[08:58] <dholbach> this turns more and more into bughelper day instead of bug day ;)
[08:58] <DktrKranz> LOL
[08:58] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Looks pretty good.
[08:58] <DktrKranz> well, i've got some more questions for you python hackers :D
[08:58] <sfllaw> bdmurray: You may want to revisit bug 76783 which is sort of just drifting there.
[08:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76783 in apt "apt-cache --installed does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76783
[08:58] <dholbach> DktrKranz: sure, go ahead
[08:58] <DktrKranz> ok
[08:59] <DktrKranz> i'm gonna file that bug
[08:59] <DktrKranz> and eat my ice-cream :D
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80303 in gnome-power-manager (main) "returning from suspend disables/crashes mouse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80303
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80304 in pavuk (universe) "pavuk GUI is space hungry" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80304
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80305 in ubiquity (main) "6.06LTS Installer Crashes at user creation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80305
[09:17] <bdmurray> sfllaw: What would you recommend doing with bug 76783?
[09:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76783 in apt "apt-cache --installed does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76783
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80306 in libtunepimp (main) "Missing dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80306
[09:21] <DktrKranz> back hee
[09:21] <DktrKranz> *here
[09:22] <dsas> bdmurray: You believe right, it should be used as apt-cache (r)depends --installed. Maybe the bug is the documentation not being clear.
[09:22] <DktrKranz> i would like to ask you some advices in debugging python apps
[09:22] <DktrKranz> e.g. bug #76493 in democracyplayer
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76493 in democracyplayer "Democracy player won't start [feisty] " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76493
[09:22] <DktrKranz> it contains a backtrace, but it doesn't show too much
[09:23] <DktrKranz> so i would like to suggest initial reporter to use some python debugger such pdb
[09:23] <dholbach> have a nice evening everybody - see you tomorrow!
[09:23] <DktrKranz> bye dholbach
[09:24] <sfllaw> dholbach: Bye.
[09:24] <sfllaw> bdmurray: I'd decide what the bug is in and recommend what to do with it.
[09:24] <dholbach> bye DktrKranz, bye sfllaw
[09:24] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Either the bug is in the documentation.
[09:24] <DktrKranz> but i'm not able to debug using such tool :(
[09:24] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Or the bug is that this option _should_ do what the user expects.
[09:24] <sfllaw> bdmurray: I vote for the latter, perhaps with a warning that this doesn't quite work right now.
[09:25] <simira> oh, it's wednesday today!
[09:25] <simira> I forgot...
[09:25] <sfllaw> simira: Hi!  :)
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80308 in kdelibs (main) "After creating a new user with a special profile-path kstartupconfig crashs." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80308
[09:26] <bdmurray> sfllaw: I believe it is user error
[09:26] <dholbach> Be there: #ubuntu-bugs, Jan, 18th, 15:00 UTC - bughelper love for everybody
[09:26] <bdmurray> That man for apt-cache states "Limit the output of depends and rdepends . . ."
[09:29] <sfllaw> bdmurray: In which case, it should be an invalid option, shouldn't it?
[09:31] <bdmurray> Ah, so the program should tell the user that they are using it wrong if that is in fact the case.
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80310 in xffm-samba (universe) "samba crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80310
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80312 in Ubuntu "Beryl crashes at session startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80312
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80313 in Ubuntu "WiFi card not working on Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook C1410" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80313
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80314 in python-musicbrainz2 (universe) "Missing libdiscid0 dependency on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80314
[09:41] <DktrKranz> what about bug #80260?
[09:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80260 in aptitude "aptitude crashes if cd-rom is not present while installing more than one package" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80260
[09:42] <DktrKranz> do you think it provides enough informations?
[09:51] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: I think so.  It looks like it's strlen-ing an uninitialized string.
[09:52] <DktrKranz> i'm not sure if it is related to aptitude or libapt
[09:52] <DktrKranz> i've found a couple of *similar* bugs in libapt
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80316 in emerald-themes (universe) "emerald-themes 0.1.2-0ubuntu1 has an unmet deps on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80316
[09:55] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: It seems to be a libapt bug, doesn't it?
[09:56] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Especially if you read the trace.
[09:56] <DktrKranz> so, i guessed right :D
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80317 in zope2.9 (universe) "Critical bug in Zope 2.9.5 (Edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80317
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80318 in Ubuntu "3D desktop breaks S3 sleep" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80318
[10:04] <DktrKranz> sfllaw, could I ask you an advice? it is not related to bugday, but it could help bugsquad in some way
[10:04] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Sure.
[10:04] <eroyf> bugday!
[10:05] <eroyf> are you having bugdays nonight?
[10:05] <eroyf> tonight*
[10:05] <sfllaw> eroyf: Yes.
[10:05] <eroyf> nice
[10:05] <eroyf> seen my post on your forums?
[10:05] <sfllaw> eroyf: Bug Day lasts all Wednesday.
[10:06] <eroyf> nice :)
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80319 in beryl-settings (universe) "beryl-setting crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80319
[10:06] <eroyf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2012812 <- this is the post i was thalking about.
[10:07] <sfllaw> eroyf: Hmm, that is an intriguing idea.
[10:07] <sfllaw> eroyf: I don't know how it would work though.
[10:08] <sfllaw> Lots of cross-distribution stuff can apply when it's upstream bugs.
[10:10] <eroyf> well
[10:10] <eroyf> it will require a lot of teamwork between our various projects
[10:10] <eroyf> i come from gentoo, we should have some debian people, some ubuntu people and so on
[10:10] <dsas> eroyf: There used to a linux gaming team that had a similar idea. Each week they'd choose a different linux game, someone would prepare features or lists of bugs to work on in advance, then over the course of a week they'd hack on it.
[10:10] <eroyf> also gnome and kde has talked about it.
[10:10] <eroyf> nice
[10:11] <eroyf> my problem is that i don't know to get some attention about this
[10:11] <eroyf> i've written this blog post but it's not many people who read it.
[10:11] <sfllaw> eroyf: What were you thinking of?
[10:12] <sfllaw> eroyf: I can imagine if we tried to get KDE bugs synchronized across distros.
[10:12] <eroyf> getting someone to talk!
[10:12] <sfllaw> eroyf: But I'm having trouble thinking of how all of us could get in the same channel and communicate well.
[10:12] <eroyf> well, it's more about having a day and some website iwth some stats on so on.
[10:12] <sfllaw> eroyf: Because things are subtly different across distros.
[10:12] <eroyf> well
[10:13] <eroyf> it would be an upstream bugday project
[10:13] <sfllaw> Pick an upstream and adopt it for a day?
[10:13] <eroyf> then the small projects (gentoo, ubuntu, debian... and so on)
[10:13] <eroyf> then their own team does the bugday
[10:13] <sfllaw> Hmm.
[10:13] <eroyf> and the big bugday project keeps some stats and announces this
[10:13] <eroyf> the idea is to get attention to ALL projects
[10:13] <sfllaw> Yeah, I can see that.
[10:13] <eroyf> instead of you have hug days each wedensday, we have first saturday in the month and so on
[10:14] <eroyf> so that users know that _THAT_ day is bugday.
[10:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80320 in Ubuntu "My USB Bluetooth module is not registered if plugged in at boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80320
[10:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80321 in Ubuntu "fontconfig-voodoo suddenly crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80321
[10:19] <sfllaw> eroyf: Hmm.
[10:19] <sfllaw> eroyf: I'd be up for that.
[10:19] <sfllaw> eroyf: You'd be the guy on Gentoo's side organizing this?
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80322 in linux-meta (main) "vmware-player-kernel-modules are not installable in a chroot environment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80322
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80324 in schoolbell (main) "unmet deps on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80324
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80323 in gdm (main) "Ubuntu Fiesty Herd 2 - i386 Alternate CD - gdmsetup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80323
[10:26] <eroyf> yes i am
[10:26] <eroyf> i am leader of gentoo's bugday team
[10:26] <eroyf> i need to get home from LUG meeting -- bbl
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80325 in gnome-system-tools (main) "Network-admin cannot set right parameters for static IP connection, or switching locations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80325
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80326 in ttf-isabella (universe) "X foundry "unknown"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80326
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69401 in firefox (main) "(edgy) preferences & actual setting vary (dup-of: 75758)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69401
[10:33] <DktrKranz> sfllaw, sorry, but i had some trouble
[10:34] <DktrKranz> if you want, i would like to receive your advice
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80327 in Ubuntu "Evolution bug when logging in twice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80327
[10:38] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Sure.
[10:38] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: You'll have to ask me a specific question.
[10:38] <DktrKranz> yes
[10:38] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Otherwise, I will tell you to do things like "Go outside and enjoy a sunset."
[10:39] <DktrKranz> it is not strictly related to bugday, but could be of some help for BugSquad
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80332 in firefox (main) "Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> crash on Ubuntu-edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80332
[10:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80328 in ubiquity (main) "Installer (ubiquity) doesn't work/start in current-live cd - missing depconf library " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80328
[10:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80329 in kdesdk (main) "kdesdk-kio-plugins cannot be installed on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80329
[10:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80331 in Ubuntu "laptop mode is not disabled after plugging in AC power" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80331
[10:41] <DktrKranz> anyway
[10:42] <DktrKranz> you probably know something about forum ambassadors
[10:44] <DktrKranz> as Italian community, we would like to implement such feature
[10:44] <DktrKranz> in order to help our users to begin interaction with malone
[10:45] <DktrKranz> and try to teach them how to fill complete bug reports
[10:47] <DktrKranz> do you think it could be useful in some way?
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80337 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythtv front end crashes when opening programming guide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80337
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80338 in bzrk (universe) "bzrk merged into bzr-gtk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80338
[10:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80333 in Ubuntu "fonts still missing for Unicode ranges" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80333
[10:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80334 in Ubuntu "Installer changes disk despite of canceling" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80334
[10:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80335 in olive (universe) "olive has merged into bzr-gtk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80335
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80339 in gdm (main) "/etc/init.d/gdm restart fails to start gdm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80339
[11:09] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Yes, I think that's a great idea.
[11:10] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: We're definitely hoping to provide more help to users when it comes to interacting with us as a development community.
[11:10] <DktrKranz> great
[11:10] <DktrKranz> we are planning to extend such support to IRC and mailing lists too
[11:11] <DktrKranz> it will requre more work and more people involved
[11:11] <DktrKranz> but that's not a bad thing afer all
[11:11] <DktrKranz> the more people involved, the more knowledge of malone
[11:13] <DktrKranz> we're still on planning phase
[11:13] <DktrKranz> but our locoteam
[11:14] <DktrKranz> (which includes mkde)
[11:14] <DktrKranz> is taking that into consideration
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80341 in kerry (universe) "The package kerry contains only language files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80341
[11:16] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Please keep me informed.
[11:16] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: I don't speak Italian, though.
[11:16] <DktrKranz> no problem
[11:17] <DktrKranz> if you have advices on how we can contribute with Bugsquad
[11:17] <DktrKranz> don't be shy :D
[11:17] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: All right.
[11:17] <ajmitch> sfllaw is never shy :)
[11:17] <DktrKranz> yeah!
[11:18] <sfllaw> ajmitch: Now how did I get that reputation?
[11:18] <ajmitch> oh I don't know
[11:20] <DktrKranz> sfllaw, thanks
[11:21] <DktrKranz> could I contact you in the future if we need some startup tips?
[11:22] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Yup.
[11:22] <DktrKranz> well
[11:22] <DktrKranz> I'm going to report this to my LoCo
[11:22] <DktrKranz> I think they will appreciate :)
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80343 in gnome-session (main) "invisible logout dialog with xcompmgr" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80343
[11:29] <sfllaw> somerville32: Bug 56161
[11:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56161 in mousepad "Segfault when saving files on AMD64" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56161
[11:30] <sfllaw> somerville32: I would like to talk to you about this SRU.
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80344 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Sound works only a few weeks per year" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80344
[11:36] <sfllaw> Ubugtu: That is the best subject ever.  ^^^
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80345 in gaupol (universe) "gaupol crashes upon start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80345
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80347 in Ubuntu "User does not belong to games group" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80347
[11:49] <dsas> sfllaw: bug 78578 makes me laugh
[11:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78578 in flightgear "A normal flight crashed unexpectedly" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78578
[11:50] <TLE> *G* Yeah I can confirm that, actually that bug is present in a lot of games where you can fly. I just experienced in BF1942 also
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80348 in nicotine (universe) "Crash, just started program for first time and conducted a search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80348
[12:03] <totopalma> bye bye
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80349 in apache2-mpm-itk (universe) "unmet deps on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80349
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80350 in Ubuntu "[Edgy]  Can't write to partitions on external disk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80350


[12:15] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:15] <snap-l> TGIF and all that jazz
[12:18] <brousch> I don't like jazz
[12:22] <snap-l> You might want to check in to the hospital to see if you're alive because you're dead to me.
[12:22] <snap-l> ;)
[12:24] <brousch> I was already dead to you because I hate Tool
[13:15] <jrwren_> why didn't jane close the bug yesterday instead of mark?
[13:17] <brousch> Who is jane?
[13:18] <jrwren_> CEO
[13:18] <jrwren_> Jane Sibler
[13:19] <jrwren_> err, Silber
[13:19] <brousch> See, that's why Shuttleworth did it
[13:19] <jcastro> it's really not a bug, it's more of a mission statement
[13:20] <brousch> You want press, you send Tony Stark, not Pepper Potts
[13:20] <jrwren_> jcastro: understood. and that mission is no longer the mission, and its great to publicly state that.
[13:20] <jrwren_> still, it seems like that would be Jane's role. Unless Mark is CIO/CTO/COO, and I realize, he is probably all 3 :)
[13:21] <jrwren_> i'm not really serious, although I do find it a bit odd that Jane doesn't take a more public role.
[13:21] <jcastro> bug #1 is an ubuntu thing, not a canonical thing
[13:22] <jrwren_> ah, right. its difficult to separate the two.
[13:23] <jrwren_> its like saying "That is a Windows thing, not a Mcirosoft thing" :)
[13:23] <jcastro> Mark is head of product or something like that anyway
[13:23] <jrwren_> flagship product and all that.
[13:23] <jrwren_> I understand now. That makes good sense.
[13:23] <jcastro> yeah but you have a windows head
[13:23] <jcastro> and that guy determines what windows does
[13:28] <jrwren_> exactly. i can almost remember his name.
[13:28] <jrwren_> Sinofski
[13:28] <jrwren_> Sinofsky
[13:28] <jrwren_> and he does exactly these kinds of announcements
[14:31] <snap-l> _stink_: Just unmarked your dent on identica from being spam. :)
[14:32] <_stink_> haha, got auto marked?
[14:32] <snap-l> Yeah, somehow
[14:32] <_stink_> thank you sir
[14:32] <_stink_> i just read the thing about the move
[14:32] <snap-l> I'm a mod though
[14:32] <_stink_> and for some stupid reason
[14:32] <_stink_> i want to get moved
[14:33] <snap-l> You can check it out now on one of the other servers if you don't get moved
[14:33] <_stink_> i just created a twitter account for work purposes, which makes me really upset
[14:33] <_stink_> but it reminded me of identica
[14:39] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm not sure what I'll use post migration
[14:40] <snap-l> I use twitter / identi.ca occasionally


[00:04] <RAOF> bryceh: My forward-port of the multitouch patches is still breaking mouse grabs.  I guess at some point we'll want to just upload it anyway, without multitouch until Chase has that done.
[00:09] <bryceh> RAOF, yeah, or else just decide to stick with 1.10.4
[00:13] <RAOF> Hm, maybe.
[00:15] <bryceh> looking at changelog for 1.11, looks like we'd miss a ton of fixes - http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-announce/2011-August/001729.html
[00:16] <bryceh> although hard to say how many of those would fix issues people experience in practice.  We have 50 bugs open against oneiric's xserver, the bulk of which appear to actually be driver bugs at first glance.
[00:16] <bryceh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server?field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.tag=oneiric+-kubuntu+-xubuntu+-ppc+-omit&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[00:18] <bryceh> the 1.11.x branch would get backported fixes longer than 1.10, which may be pertinent given it's an LTS.
[00:18] <RAOF> I think 1.11 is worth a bit of effort to get in.
[00:19] <RAOF> Also, Rob Taylor was interested in backporting the DRI2 video work to the LTS X server; that'll be somewhat easier on 1.11
[00:30] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[22:32] <FernandoMiguel> evening


[09:57] <aschildbach> Hi there!
[09:58] <aschildbach> I wonder does the Ubuntu Java team still exist?


[19:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: You should be able to test for the location of a command in $PATH using "command -v". Don't use 'which', it's being depricated.
[19:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I was already assuming python has a better way to do this :)
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Oh, yeah, I don't know about that, but I know you can query python for the output of a command.
[19:32] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: you will never guess what the python method is... shutil.which()
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> LMAO That's hilarious.
[19:32] <OvenWerks> Long Live Which
[19:32] <OvenWerks>  :)
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but I doubt it's using the actual "which" command as a backend.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> why people would depricate something simple like which to something no one has heard of sounds dumb.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> command should be changed so that if parameter 0 is which it acts that way.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> (ie. a link called which that points to command should just work... otherwise bug
[19:37] <OvenWerks> basic unix commands should always continue to work
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> Right, not sure why it's depricated, but probably because it was duplicating the work of "command -v".
[19:42] <OvenWerks> except any book that teaches unix commands teaches which
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, again, I have no idea why, but remember, GNU's Not Unix (tm).
[19:44] <OvenWerks> no but gnu has created almost all the commandline tools unix depends on. The gnu commandline tools are effectively the standard commandline tools.
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> I mean, I agree, but which in 22.04 was giving the error that it was being depricated in favor of "command -v". The release team reverted that for now since it's an LTS and nobody wants that going bad yet.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> command is a part of bash it seems.
[19:49] <OvenWerks> does sh include command as well? seems to... except I think our sh->bash :P
[19:50] <OvenWerks> one wonders about ash and csh too.
[19:51] <OvenWerks> or for that matter any shell script that is not run from bash.
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, no clue. I just know it was saying "This version of which is depricated. Use 'command -v' instead in scripts."
[20:12] <OvenWerks> Anyway, python has which ;)
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> :)


[12:47] <guiverc> @Mateusz Konieczny; panel config, Task Manager Settings - Window Grouping (toggle's on & off)
[12:48] <guiverc> panel config = Configure Panel sorry
[12:49] <guiverc> I wouldn't rm lock files either; I avoid interrupting if I can..
[12:51] <guiverc> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/5/5.1/lxqt-panel.html?highlight=task%20manager  (item is in Task Manager Settings window about 3/5ths down page)
[12:52] <guiverc> right click; configure panel.. Widgets -> Task Manager (right click over some items won't produce correct menu as it'll be treated for whatever mouse is over; I click to far edges of panel)
[12:53] <guiverc> I'm right clicking over "Desktop Switcher"
[12:55] <guiverc> Sorry I don't want to advise on killed apt/terminal; whatever I do is based on where I believe it was up to & command entered...
 @Mateusz Konieczny [Is there still a GUI accessible way to format drives in 19.10?], KDE Partition manager that is found in the system tools menu.
 @Mateusz Konieczny [Also, is there some way to restore a classic mouse pointer shake instead of the …], preferences -> LXQt settings -> appearance -> cursor  might be what you are looking for.
 @Mateusz Konieczny [I went with msdos as it sounds more backward compatible and I failed to find any …], That is probably the best way to go to be compatable accross both.
 @Mateusz Konieczny [Sadly this has (by default at least) an option to disable black cursor. … But bot …], Do you have a screenshot? I am not sure I follow your issue.
 You can install that theme from muon.
 (Photo, 1280x822) https://i.imgur.com/tLjyEQR.jpg
[14:50] <sweb> lubuntu sddm not running on raspberry init: https://srv-file5.gofile.io/download/oiIhIQ/IMG_20200120_180426.jpg syslog: https://srv-file5.gofile.io/download/oiIhIQ/IMG_20200120_180016.jpg and /var/log/sddm.log is empty
[14:50] <sweb> focal latest update and installation
[14:51] <sweb> raspberry pi 4 4G
[15:05] <sweb> entire syslog: http://paste.openstack.org/show/788606/
[16:26] <sweb> lubuntu run fine in amd64 but faild on arm64 ...
[16:33] <sweb> same Eoan :(
[18:12] <tbs> Hello, i see that my starting lubuntu time increased, also ram usage at start increased to %14 from %12, i have installed some apps but none of them is at startup as i know, can anyone help me about this?
[22:28] <wxl> freezing or taking longer than you like?
[22:29] <wxl> that shouldn't apply at all
[22:30] <wxl> unless you have some weird set up
[22:31] <wxl> what version are you on?
[23:06] <wxl> what the heck is that?
[23:08] <lynorian> I have no clue what flex net is either
[23:13] <wxl> i did a dist-upgrade for me and the dialogue popped up almost immediately
[23:13] <wxl> but i also don't have whatever the heck flexnet is XD
[23:13] <lynorian> flexnet does not appear to be in repos?