[01:25] <jamalta> Hi there, quick question.. is fglrx completely borked in alpha 2?
[01:26]  * jamalta is doing another update today to see if issue gets resolved
[01:32] <ripps> jamalta: I don't think fglrx works with the xserver and kernel in lucid yet, you'll have to use the -ati driver in the meantime
[01:33] <onetinsoldier> i'll feel pretty lucky if the the next fglrx driver works with this latest Xorg and bleeding edge kernel ;-)
[01:33] <jamalta> ripps: let me try that
[01:43] <jamalta> onetinsoldier: i guess i should have considered that before i upgraded ;)
[01:43] <jamalta> don't i still have the older kernel?
[01:44]  * jamalta waits for the upgrade to finish to check the kernels he has
[01:46] <jamalta> what's the default kernel in karmic?
[01:46] <crimsun> jamalta: 2.6.31-14
[01:46] <jamalta> crimsun: gracias
[03:17] <bjsnider> the development snapshot of gnome-shell from today contains a new feature. under the account name menu, there is now a "sidebar" checkbox, that once checked results in a column on the left side of the screen with a list of frequently used applications and a clock. the sidebar can also be made smaller and auto-hides.
[03:17] <bjsnider> also contains recent documents
[03:21] <onetinsoldier> thanks for the update bjsnider :)
[03:26] <RAOF> Um.  That's been in there for *ages*
[03:26] <bjsnider> has it? i didn't notice
[03:26] <RAOF> Yeah, because it's ugly, space-consuming, and mostly useless.
[03:27] <bjsnider> it auto-hides
[03:27] <bjsnider> it has a low-profile mode
[03:27] <bjsnider> but it is ugly
[03:27] <bjsnider> right now
[03:29] <RAOF> Yeah.  It's *been* ugly for about 6 months, I think
[03:29] <RAOF> (It's also been useless for the same period of time)
[03:29] <RAOF> Unless they've suddenly whipped up an actually interesting sidebar.
[03:30] <bjsnider> it still doesn't match the black theme
[03:30] <simba_> i think gnome-shell still have a long way to go before it is ready for the common user...
[03:30] <bjsnider> but it has a low-profile mode that makes the icons very small, and then auto-hides it down to a few pixels
[03:31] <RAOF> The one that I'm seeing goes down to 10-20ish pixels, is ugly, and pointless.  Is that the one you're seeing? :)
[03:32] <bjsnider> i dunno. want to take a screenshot?
[03:35] <RAOF> Not particularly, really.
[03:38] <crimsun> hehe, I remember someone (DBO?) once asked me for a screenshot, and I warned that it would be the most boring thing ever: lots of x-terminal-emulators, lots of code
[03:43] <RAOF> Mine won't be boring; having wandered through the gjs/mozjs wasteland to fix it I'm just a little sick of gnome-shell :).
[03:48] <bjsnider> RAOF, fix it? it ain't broke
[03:48] <RAOF> bjsnider: Have you tried to install gnome-shell from the Lucid repositories?
[03:48] <bjsnider> you meant he dependency on mozjs?
[03:49] <bjsnider> i'm using a ppa right now. i understand that there was a problem with the one in lucid
[03:50] <RAOF> Yes.  There still is (until gjs gets rebuilt & I queue a gnome-shell build)
[03:50] <RAOF> It's been broken for some months.
[04:50] <bjsnider> ok, here's a real difference. the new gnome-shell has notifications coming through the bottom of the screen in bubbles
[04:58] <onetinsoldier> gnome-shell is broken right now though? in lucid?
[05:00] <bjsnider> gtk themes still look old and one-dimensional. they need a 3d look
[05:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/492392
[05:07] <DanaG> gryargh
[05:12] <DanaG> hmm, is it possible to install dropbox on the csc space?
[05:12] <DanaG> damn, 218M.
[05:12] <DanaG> quota is 300M.
[05:14] <DanaG> ooh, vogon has htop.
[05:14] <DanaG> spiffy.
[05:14] <DanaG> er, sorry, wrong channel.
[05:14] <DanaG> again.
[05:58] <daijoubu> Hello, just wanted to let you know that PPPOE still doesn't work with alpha 2 ...
[05:58] <daijoubu> will that be fixed ?
[07:56] <johnflux> Hey all
[07:57] <johnflux> When I boot up, it gets to the KDE login prompty and the keyboard and mouse don't work
[07:58] <johnflux> that's if I boot with an older kernel
[07:58] <johnflux> if I boot with the latest kernel, I get no graphics at all - the screen just goes gray at the time when xorg should start up
[07:59] <johnflux> anyone know how I can fix it? :-/
[08:19] <sharky> maybe what video driver
[08:25] <JohnFlux> updating fixed xorg :)
[08:25] <JohnFlux> but now I have no sound
[08:25] <JohnFlux> also apps crash when I quit.  This is a bug in Qt - kubuntu needs to depend on the latest version Qt
[08:25] <JohnFlux> Qt 4.6.1
[08:36] <sharky> good
[08:37] <JohnFlux> installing pulseaudio fixed the audio :)
[08:37] <JohnFlux> actually
[08:37] <JohnFlux> one of my mixers was set to mute
[08:37] <JohnFlux> that was the reason :-/
[08:38] <JohnFlux> in the upgrade it got set to mute for something
[08:38] <JohnFlux> *some reason
[08:46] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[08:47] <BUGabundo_remote> who can tell me what and where to echo something so my LCD will turn off, remotelly via SSH
[08:47] <BUGabundo_remote> I forgot to turn it of, and I hate to spend energy :(
[08:51] <cwillu> ugh, why are my nautilus tabs on the bottom of the window?
[08:52] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, x running?
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu UI feature
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> they choose to be like that
[08:52] <cwillu> xset dpms force off
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> I have a bug in LP and upstream
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> applied. how do I test?
[08:52] <cwillu> heh
[08:52] <cwillu> "test"
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> since I'm 30 KMs away ?
[08:53] <cwillu> you'll find out in the morning :p
[08:53] <cwillu> your default power properties doesn't turn off the backlight after however long?
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> its morning already
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> I left for work... and forgot to turn it off
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> ill be back home in 11h :\
[08:55] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, actually, even doing a remote chvt (assuming that vt switching works on your setup) should do it, as the kernel should timeout the monitor
[08:55]  * om26er notices daily live cd have decreased in size
[08:55] <cwillu> om26er, oversight, it'll be fixed for alpha3
[08:55]  * cwillu insists on cd images that require dvd's to burn :p
[08:56] <om26er> is the plan of removing GIMP dropped?
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu im remotelly connected via FreeNX
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> I have all my X, except for composite/3D
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> or access to TTYs since I can't capture keyboard special keys
[08:58] <cwillu> ah, in that case I don't think you can turn things off, as the use of the session would reactivate the monitor, no?
[08:58] <cwillu> might be able to do something with killall -STOP'ing gnome-power-manager and gnome-screensaver, although I'm not sure what other processes may get involved
[08:59] <cwillu> xorg.log might tell you something of interest as to whether the monitors are staying in suspend/standby though
[09:00] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu no, since this is an entirely diff nested X
[09:00] <cwillu> okay, then what I said originally should work
[09:01] <BUGabundo_remote> ill see if it worked when I get home
[09:01] <BUGabundo_remote> you have a beer on me, if it does :D
[09:06] <cwillu> I can't believe I'm about to use a virtualbox with usb passthrough to get this soundcard working
[09:07] <BUGabundo_remote> ehe
[09:07] <JohnFlux> who do I bug to make sure that 10.04 ships with Qt 4.6.1 ?
[09:07] <BUGabundo_remote> doesn't work with alsa/PA ?
[09:08] <BUGabundo_remote> and there he goes :\
[09:09] <JohnFlux> Will 10.04 use KDE 4.4 ?
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> I would think so
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> hey Sarvatt
[09:16] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, still here :p
[09:16] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, I compiled alsa to make it work once, I'll be damned if I can reproduce it on the machine I need it for though :p
[09:18] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, m-audio fast track ultra
[09:19] <cwillu> ah, goodie;  the device shows up in usb passthrough if I run virtualbox as root
[09:19]  * cwillu cringes
[09:20] <BUGabundo_remote> MEDO
[09:20] <cwillu> next I'm gonna use ie6 to browse for the windows driver :D
[09:20] <BUGabundo_remote> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[09:21] <hifi> first things I do when I ever install XP: install firefox, install 7zip
[09:22] <hifi> after I've run windows update for an hour
[09:22] <hifi> ran!
[09:23] <hifi> oh, this wasn't OT channel
[09:24] <cwillu> sorry, I get offtopic sometimes
[09:35]  * cwillu submits an application to m-audio's private beta program
[09:56] <Ng> noooooo, the new bash-completion got merged with its totally insane host browsing :(
[09:56]  * Ng works up some calm for a sensible bug report
[09:56] <cwillu> Ng, yay, the new bash-completion got merged with the insane completion quoting fixed! :)
[09:57] <Ng> orly?
[09:58] <Ng> I didn't have any problems with quoting, but I do very much not want avahi-browse spewing errors and taking 30s to timeout every time I tab complete a hostname ;)
[10:03] <cwillu> Ng, I use menu-complete (aka hippie completion/tab-per-completion), which has been broken due to some misguided quoting in /etc/bash_completion
[10:05] <Ng> cwillu: ah
[10:05] <jpds> I use zsh.
[10:06]  * cwillu compares jpds to the people who come into #ubuntu to say "I use arch" to the people troubleshooting stuff
[10:07] <BUGabundo_remote> jpds: zsh is much better in autcomplete, right?
[10:08] <jpds> BUGabundo_remote: zsh is the win at everything.
[12:50] <indus> hi
[12:53] <zzillezz> hello
[13:07] <indus> is ati binary working on lucid?
[13:10] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: the status menu is part of the the new indicator-me..
[13:11] <vish> hasnt been fully implemented yet
[13:11] <BUGabundo_remote> I don't care
[13:11] <indus> is ati binary working on lucid?
[13:11] <BUGabundo_remote> don't like half cooked stuff
[13:11] <BUGabundo_remote> indus: stop repeating your self
[13:11] <BUGabundo_remote> we read it already
[13:11] <indus> hmm,
[13:12] <indus> is important for me
[13:12] <indus> so had to make sure someone got that
[13:13] <gnomefreak> indus: would be ehlpful if you gave us an users case on how to check. not everyone in the channel would know how to test :)
[13:13]  * gnomefreak has other things to worry about that ati
[13:14] <indus> gnomefreak, well, i just followed the release notes for lucid which said it didnt
[13:14] <indus> just wondered if some new support dropped in
[13:46] <alokito> what apt line should I add for chromium in Lucid
[13:47] <alokito> Pici,
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> alokito: chromium PPA
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> either daily, dev or beta
[13:49] <alokito> hmm
[13:49] <alokito> ok
[13:52] <JohnFlux> could someone add Qt 4.6.1  please
[13:53] <JohnFlux> 4.6.0 is very buggy, making a lot of programs nearly unusable
[13:53] <JohnFlux> speed wise, crashes, etc
[13:54] <gnomefreak> JohnFlux: you should really file a bug on it that way it will get seen by right people (not all devs are in this channel
[13:54] <JohnFlux> thanks
[13:55] <gnomefreak> np
[13:55] <yofel> JohnFlux: you should ask in #kubuntu-devel, but I doubt we will package qt ourselves, usually it's synced from debian
[13:58] <gnomefreak> yofel: it has to be acked by Riddel and IIRC he doesnt spend a whole lot of time at keyboard in that channel
[14:37] <Oli``> What's the current kernel?
[14:39] <simba_> 2.6.32-11-generic #15-Ubuntu SMP
[14:40] <arand_> Is that one working for you btw? Fails to boot here
[14:40] <simba_> working without any problems here
[14:40] <BUGabundo_remote> arand_: wfm
[14:45] <Oli``> Do you think will lucid ship 2.6.33? I ask because I have an SSD and .33 has in-kernel TRIM support
[14:48] <simba_> Oli``, I am running of an ssd and lucid havent touched the swap partition yet.
[15:11] <Ng> is there magic to make plymouth do exciting shiny things?
[15:13] <Sarvatt> sudo plymouth-set-default-theme solar --rebuild-initrd
[15:14] <JohnFlux> Sarvatt: is plymouth only for ubuntu, and not kubuntu?
[15:16] <BUGabundo_remote> Sarvatt: its up and running again?
[15:16] <BUGabundo_remote> is it instalable even ?
[15:16] <Sarvatt> has been for a long time now, just not working without KMS yet I dont think
[15:17] <Sarvatt> and i have no idea JohnFlux, it should be for both but the transition might not be as pretty :D
[15:18] <yofel> JohnFlux: kubuntu wants to use plymouth too, but afaik there's no artwork yet
[15:18] <JohnFlux> yofel: cool
[15:18] <JohnFlux> it's a shame that kubuntu tends to be a second class citizen :-/
[15:20] <JohnFlux> btw, I just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04, and it no longer sees my laptop battery
[15:20] <JohnFlux> presumably a kernel regression?
[15:21] <yofel> they don't tend to, they just have very limited manpower, and sometimes they just don't get something done
[15:22] <yofel> JohnFlux: err... in kde? On bootup it shows 'no battery available'  too, once I run byobu in a terminal the battery gets recognized o.O?
[15:22] <yofel> odd workaround, but it works for me
[15:22] <simba_> i hope something like this plymouth theme will become default "space sunrise" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaSg2rRj4HQ
[15:22] <yofel> dunno if  someone reported that, I've been too busy with other stuff
[15:23] <JohnFlux> yofel: I just ran that in a terminal..  no battery so far .. :)
[15:23] <JohnFlux> hmm, this byobu looks interesting though :)
[15:23] <JohnFlux> yofel: what does it do? :)
[15:24] <yofel> byobu is profiled screen
[15:24] <JohnFlux> OO
[15:24] <yofel> very useful over ssh, but I use it locally too, so if X crashes or so I don't loose my terminal
[15:24] <JohnFlux> yofel: I toggled the battery display on
[15:24] <JohnFlux> and now KDE sees my battery :-D
[15:25] <JohnFlux> yofel: thanks for that :)
[15:25] <yofel> JohnFlux: oh yeah, I have the battery display on in byobu
[15:25] <yofel> like I said, odd workaround...
[15:25] <JohnFlux> indeed
[15:54] <arand_> If I want to update a bug report with the apport-collect of another package (e.g. ubuntu kernel, with mainline kernel), what is the command used? "apport-collect --package linux-image-2.6.33-999-generic -u 510571" Is not working.
[15:56] <yofel> arand_: and without the -u ?
[16:00] <arand_> yofel: hmm, yea, that works...
[16:01]  * arand_ facepalms
[16:03] <BUGabundo_remote> arand_: not your fault that keeps changing comands
[16:04] <arand_> Soo yea, there: Bug #510571 Possibly VirtualBox-related.
[16:24] <lnostdal> nvidia-drivers seem totally messed up atm.
[16:26] <benste> hi, if I'd like to have a package merged from debian - what can I do? -https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiemu/+bug/221332
[16:26] <yofel> lnostdal: yes, the packages will fail if installed from jockey afaik
[16:27] <yofel> benste: you should ask in #ubuntu-motu for this
[16:27] <benste> yofel: thx
[16:28] <pasjr> I am trying to get my Ralink usb n wireless to work, my computer can see my network with it.  However it fails to connect, any ideas?
[16:29] <yofel> pasjr: did you check the network manager and system logs?
[16:30] <yofel> then again, NM logs into syslog iirc
[16:30] <pasjr> no what am I looking for
[16:31] <yofel> not sure, It's been a while since I debugged NM, you should check the output of 'dmesg' as well as the contents of /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog after trying to connect
[16:31] <pasjr> dmesg :rtl819xE:request firmware fail!
[16:32] <pasjr> its weird in 9.04 it worked great but now 10.04 it only can see and will not connect, it times out
[16:35] <yofel> pasjr: hm, sounds like a regression, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-bugs what's the best way to file a but about wireless
[16:35] <pasjr> ok thank you
[16:41] <lnostdal> i do not understand why "nouveau" is being added to something which already is messy .. how do i get rid of this stuff so the driver everyone really wants to use anyway gets to do its thing? ..    i'm currently getting "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig" from glxinfo, and i think it is related to the recently introduced nouveu or something mesa-related "taking over"
[16:45] <lnostdal> http://paste.lisp.org/display/93693
[16:45] <lnostdal> yeah, stupid .so file .. sigh :}
[16:48] <yofel> lnostdal: is your system up to date? We did have a mesa mess a while ago. And what driver are you using?
[16:52] <lnostdal> i'll check
[17:06] <Sarvatt> what version does dpkg -l | grep mesa-utils say it is?
[17:08] <lnostdal> doing a purge of everything nvidia, then deleting xorg.conf and running nvidia-xconfig to create a new one seems to have helped for most software ..   some 32bit stuff seems to load mesa-stuff still though, not sure yet (this is amd64 bit and i'm using a 64 bit os)
[17:09] <lnostdal> 7.7-0ubuntu8    , Sarvatt
[17:10] <lnostdal> 190.53-0ubuntu6   for nvidia-current
[17:22] <lnostdal> yeah, for 32bit stuff (e.g., wine) one need to do stuff like   LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/nvidia-current/libGL.so
[17:22] <lnostdal> ..so something's up with the dynamic linking setup or something
[17:28] <lnostdal> http://lab.bachem-it.com/opengl/qtgears/   is a nice way to test this btw.
[17:29] <lnostdal> i.e.,"Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly" .. when not using LD_PRELOAD ..  ok, i'll shut up now .. things work .. heh :)
[17:48] <arand_> Anyone running -11 kernel in virtualbox care to confirm Bug #510571 ?
[18:03] <gorgonizer> arand_: 2.6.32-11 kernel (amd64) works here in Virtualbox (3.1.2)
[18:06] <arand_> Hmm, so possibly limited to 32bit/2.1.4_OSE...
[18:06] <gorgonizer> arand_: I don't use the OSE version of Virtualbox, not sure if that would make a difference..
[18:07] <arand_> Well, I guess different versions of VB, especially 2-/-3 might have some diffs in the emaulated hardware..
[18:10] <arand_> Hmm, let's see if I install VB in VB..
[18:16] <ManDay> Should the bug filed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/419328 be fixed in the current repositories or only on some third party repo? I don't know how to read this
[18:17] <ManDay> Just asking because my system is all-up-to-date (not bleeding edge) and it still crashes
[18:20] <yofel> ManDay: this was fixed in the upstream intel git repository, not in ubuntu yet
[18:21] <ManDay> Ok, so where do I find it?
[18:21] <ManDay> (Is the inteil git repo on l/p?)
[18:22] <yofel> ManDay: and according to comment #104 this is fixed in the xorg-updates ppa
[18:22] <ManDay> so with an up-to-date system it should be fixed indeed?
[18:23] <yofel> no, the fix is not in the karmic main archive but in the xorg-updates ppa and in Lucid
[18:23] <yofel> ManDay: follow the link to the ppa in comment 104 to get instructions how to get the updated package
[18:26] <yofel> hm, wait, it *should* be fixed in lucid if I get this right
[18:26] <yofel> now I'm confused myself -.-
[18:33] <ManDay> -.-
[18:34] <ManDay> When do you reckon will the patch make it to the main archives?
[18:34] <ManDay> the bug itsself is hardly bearable, and unpredictable somewhat. sometimes it happens sometimes not
[18:35] <ManDay> but whenever it happens you loose all data and the FS gets totally messed up
[18:36] <yofel> ManDay: I think you should ask in #ubuntu-x if you want more precise information, could take a while until someone answers you though
[18:36] <ManDay> ok thanks
[19:13] <burzki> the new update asks me to login after idle for a minute or two .. how to turn this off?
[19:15] <yofel> burzki: a) what new update? b) login into what?
[19:17] <burzki> just a daily update i did yesterday.  asks me to log back into my active session..  if i walk away from my machine for a couple minutes and come back, i am prompted with a user login window to get back to what i was doing.  this is new.  i couldn't find a setting for it.  i dont want to have to type my password everytime i get up for coffee
[19:18] <yofel> are you using gnome/kde/...?
[19:19] <burzki> gnome
[19:19] <yofel> dunno then, I use KDE and it works fine
[19:26] <burzki> maybe i found it -- 'lockscreen' in screensaver settings
[19:39] <gnomefreak76> bui am running into that as well but it should be as simple as changing setting in screensaver dialog
[20:38] <Mike1_> hey!
[20:38] <Mike1_> is there any way to see libxine 1.1.17 in lucid?
[20:38] <Mike1_> the current 1.1.16 plays flac-files in a very disorted way
[21:06] <leftyfb> Do we know if FF 3.6 is going to be included in 10.04 LTS?
[21:19] <skydrome> !release schedule
[21:19] <skydrome> !milestone
[21:20] <yofel> !schedule | skydrome
[21:20] <skydrome> there we go :
[21:20] <leftyfb> yofel: any idea if FF 3.6 is going to make it in?
[21:21] <yofel> leftyfb: afaik it should make it in
[21:39] <BUGabundo> cwillu: don't know if you got my message
[21:40] <BUGabundo> cwillu: but that tip you gave me didn't work... LCD was still on
[21:40] <yofel> lcd?
[21:41] <yofel> BUGabundo: you can't turn the screen off?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> yofel: not when I'm 30KMs away
[21:43] <BUGabundo> and forgot the LCD on
[21:43] <BUGabundo> I hate to spend energy
[21:43] <BUGabundo> so I asked if anyone knew how to turn if off
[21:43] <BUGabundo> the laptop LCD
[21:43] <yofel> wasn't there something like 'xset dpms force off' ?
[21:43] <yofel> works on my eeePC here
[21:43] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:44] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:44] <BUGabundo> well it does turn it off
[21:44] <BUGabundo> but not tottaly
[21:45] <yofel> and force standby / suspend?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> same
[21:46] <yofel> :/
[21:46] <BUGabundo> its close enouth
[21:46] <BUGabundo> what I really wanted was to do the same as the hardware button
[21:47] <BUGabundo> but not sure I can do it via soft
[21:47] <BUGabundo> maybe a kernel echo to somewhere
[21:49] <Ian_Corne> new ff boots really fast
[21:49] <Ian_Corne> :)
[21:50] <BUGabundo> 3.6? yes it's a new kind of build
[21:50] <BUGabundo> static linked
[21:50] <BUGabundo> but I tested it all today
[21:50] <BUGabundo> Chromium beats them by allot
[21:51] <BUGabundo> firefox-3.7  "http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/startup.html#"`python -c 'import time; print int(time.time() * 1000);'`
[21:51] <BUGabundo> firefox "http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/startup.html#"`python -c 'import time; print int(time.time() * 1000);'`
[21:51] <BUGabundo> chromium-browser –user-data-dir=/tmp/chrome "http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/startup.html#"`python -c 'import time; print int(time.time() * 1000);'`
[21:51] <BUGabundo> hi emma
[21:52] <emma> Hi there BUGabundo
[22:04] <IDWMaster> I got the <10 second boot time working now.
[22:04] <IDWMaster> It boots in 5 seconds
[22:05] <IDWMaster> Wasn't the goal about 10 seconds or less?
[22:05] <bjsnider> 5 seconds?
[22:05] <IDWMaster> Yes, on an i7 CPU
[22:05] <bjsnider> with a standard magnetic drive?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> SSD?
[22:06] <IDWMaster> Standard drive. 5 seconds is the time to the login screen
[22:06] <bjsnider> it might be instantaneous on an SSD then
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I don't believe it
[22:06] <BUGabundo> get me bootcharts
[22:06] <BUGabundo> or it didn't happen
[22:06] <IDWMaster> How do I get those?
[22:06]  * BUGabundo uploads newer pngs
[22:07] <BUGabundo> IDWMaster: install bootchart
[22:07] <BUGabundo> and reboot a few times
[22:07] <yofel> !bootchart
[22:07] <IDWMaster> Installing
[22:07] <BUGabundo> there we go
[22:07] <IDWMaster> Generating kernel image
[22:07] <bjsnider> 10 seconds is the goal i think. 5 seconds would be a major overachievment
[22:08] <IDWMaster> I'll be back
[22:08] <BUGabundo> ok its more then 10 sec till he get back
[22:09] <Tscheesy> ^^
[22:09] <RAOF> Now with irc client that won't (hopefully) bounce after netsplits!
[22:09] <BUGabundo> 1 min now
[22:09] <BUGabundo> RAOF: LOL
[22:09] <bjsnider> maybe he's looking at the boot chart
[22:09] <BUGabundo> ahha
[22:09] <BUGabundo> 2 min down
[22:09] <BUGabundo> bahh
[22:09] <BUGabundo> failed reboot
[22:11] <yofel> no, booted in 5 seconds, but now X crashes on every login :P
[22:11] <bjsnider> maybe he's doctoring the bootchart so it falsely reports that it took 5 seconds
[22:11] <Tscheesy> maybe it was the machine next to him he booted before
[22:13] <BUGabundo> I'm uploading newer ones to http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[22:14] <BUGabundo> very very old ones here http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart/
[22:14] <bjsnider> nothing has been changed in the lucid archive that would cause this guy to boot in 5 seconds right?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> upload done
[22:16] <BUGabundo> incase anyone want to check out
[22:16] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not to my knowlage
[22:16] <bjsnider> how long does it take you?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> douh he does have a very fast CPU
[22:16] <RAOF> Well, on a significantly faster processor than the 10 second netbook-boot, I'd guess that 5 seconds isn't beyond the realms of possibility.
[22:16] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: why ask? you have the same data as me :D
[22:17] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I had a friend do 9 secs on SSD in karmic
[22:17] <BUGabundo> so its possible
[22:17] <RAOF> SSDs make booting fun!
[22:17] <BUGabundo> kernel .32 is faster too
[22:17] <BUGabundo> ssds make resume FUN
[22:17] <Sarvatt> resume?!
[22:18] <BUGabundo> from hibernate
[22:18] <Sarvatt> suspend/resume is <1 second with a crappy rotational
[22:18] <IDWMaster> Where do I upload the file?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> wb IDWMaster
[22:18] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: not from hibernate (to disk)
[22:18] <IDWMaster> Where do I go to upload it?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> IDWMaster: imgbin ?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> dropbox?
[22:18] <BUGabundo> ubuntu one ?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> IDWMaster: here are mine http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[22:20] <BUGabundo> 24 sec to me, till GDS
[22:20] <BUGabundo> *GDM
[22:21] <yofel> here's mine: EeePC 1000H with SSD http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/yofel-eee-lucid-20100121-1.png
[22:21] <BUGabundo> 19secs
[22:21] <BUGabundo> not bed
[22:21] <IDWMaster> OK. I found an image hosting service at ELCNET Cloud Computing. I'll create an account and upload there
[22:21] <BUGabundo> but I expected much better
[22:21] <IDWMaster> I'll report back when I'm done uploading
[22:21] <BUGabundo> LOL IDWMaster
[22:21] <yofel> wtf?
[22:21] <bjsnider> IDWMaster, did it take 5 seconds that time too?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> yofel: don't you agree 19 is too much ?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> why did he leave!?!?
[22:24] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: how long are yours in karmic?
[22:25] <yofel> BUGabundo: well, it takes 8 till Xorg, and KDM was never that fast
[22:25] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:26] <BUGabundo> your SSD peaks at 91MBs
[22:26] <BUGabundo> mine 5400 peaks at 61
[22:27] <BUGabundo> your services kill you
[22:27] <BUGabundo> mysql and SSH
[22:27] <yofel> huh? why the f*** do I have mysqld running here o.O
[22:27] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, to the login screen 15 seconds i think
[22:28] <yofel> ssh is wanted
[22:28] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:28] <BUGabundo> yofel: KDE uses mysql DB !
[22:28] <yofel> ah, might be
[22:28] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: bootcharts or it didn't happen
[22:28] <leftyfb> yofel: kill ipv6 and you might get ssh to start faster
[22:28] <bjsnider> too lazy for that
[22:29] <yofel> leftyfb: how?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> yofel: kernel paramter
[22:29] <leftyfb> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-ubuntu-910.html
[22:29] <BUGabundo> only way now, since its built in
[22:30] <yofel> leftyfb, BUGabundo: thx, I'll check it
[22:31] <IDWMaster> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-KbV7gGu2d8/S1jVLoJqn1I/AAAAAAAAAC4/z3tAy_wMgKo/s1600/brian-desktop-lucid-20100121-2.png
[22:31] <BUGabundo> cool
[22:31] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:31] <BUGabundo> too small
[22:31] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:31] <yofel> lol
[22:32] <BUGabundo> IDWMaster: you got a bigger, non compressed one ?
[22:32] <IDWMaster> I'll look into another service
[22:32] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/asuka-lucid-20100121-2.png
[22:32] <BUGabundo> IDWMaster: http://imagebin.ca/
[22:32] <Sarvatt> plymouth solar theme uses a *ton* of cpu there :D
[22:32] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I would redo my ureadahead list :(
[22:32] <BUGabundo> yours is HUGGEEEE
[22:33] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: your poor atom is going crazy
[22:33] <IDWMaster> 5 seconds to Xserver init, 13 seconds for everything else to load it looks like
[22:33] <BUGabundo> up and down
[22:33] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: 3.5sec udev is too much for that netboot :\
[22:34] <BUGabundo> and 62 MB/s aint that great for an SSD
[22:34] <BUGabundo> do you have it booting from a slower SSD?
[22:34] <Sarvatt> this isnt an SSD
[22:34] <BUGabundo> it isn't ?!?!
[22:34] <BUGabundo> that explains a lot
[22:34] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:34] <BUGabundo> 31 secs to GDM
[22:35] <BUGabundo> plymouth and nautilus are using lost of CPU
[22:35] <BUGabundo> hey JontheEchidna
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> hi
[22:36] <BUGabundo> JontheEchidna: we are comparing bootcharts, care so share yours ?
[22:36] <IDWMaster> Full resolution
[22:36] <IDWMaster> http://elcnet.servehttp.com/resources/cloud/images/1cc7254e353198408c09735923e1a87fbrian-desktop-lucid-20100121-2.png
[22:36] <BUGabundo> would be nice to see a few from KDE
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> I must profess I haven't been doing bootcharts
[22:36] <BUGabundo> oh oh
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> s/profess/confess
[22:36] <IDWMaster> Actual time looks like 13 for everything :(
[22:37] <IDWMaster> Not sure if I'm reading it right though?
[22:37] <IDWMaster> Is the number at the top the time for all services to start?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> IDWMaster: really short bootchart
[22:37] <BUGabundo> lucky u
[22:38] <BUGabundo> IDWMaster: its time tilll it stop... a few secs after login, and IO calms down
[22:38] <IDWMaster> OK.
[22:38] <IDWMaster> So 13 is good?
[22:38] <IDWMaster> http://elcnet.servehttp.com/resources/cloud/images/1cc7254e353198408c09735923e1a87fbrian-desktop-lucid-20100121-2.png
[22:38] <IDWMaster> Does the link work?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> you got 3.8 sec to GDM
[22:38] <IDWMaster> It should be full-resolution according to the documentation.
[22:38] <IDWMaster> That's really good!
[22:38] <BUGabundo> yes it works
[22:39] <BUGabundo> your modem manager is making you loose like 1,5 sec
[22:39] <BUGabundo> do you have 3G or something IDWMaster?
[22:39] <IDWMaster> I have IDW access (new type of connection)
[22:39] <IDWMaster> It's a beta protocol
[22:40] <IDWMaster> P2P virtual networking
[22:40] <BUGabundo> don't know what that is
[22:40] <BUGabundo> is it like n2n or hamachi?
[22:40] <IDWMaster> It's a virtual networking adapter that speeds up the connection, and it allows the resolution of IDW addresses
[22:40] <IDWMaster> IDW is P2P based, but requires low-level support
[22:41] <IDWMaster> Addresses like IDW://idw.elc.ids
[22:41] <IDWMaster> That's why my name's IDWMaster
[22:41] <BUGabundo> weird
[22:41] <BUGabundo> yeah I figured as much
[22:41] <BUGabundo> link so I can read it later
[22:41] <BUGabundo> please
[22:42] <IDWMaster> Read the boot chart?
[22:42] <IDWMaster> http://elcnet.servehttp.com/resources/cloud/images/1cc7254e353198408c09735923e1a87fbrian-desktop-lucid-20100121-2.png
[22:42] <IDWMaster> I'm not sure why it boots so fast now.
[22:42] <BUGabundo> yeo
[22:42] <IDWMaster> It just suddenly started booting faster.
[22:43] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:43] <IDWMaster> It didn't see all of my RAM before either.
[22:43] <IDWMaster> I'm using an Asus motherboard, and only 4GB of RAM.
[22:43] <BUGabundo> IDWMaster: what kernel you have?
[22:43] <IDWMaster> DDR3
[22:43] <BUGabundo> maybe a bug in bios, or wrong aberture hole
[22:43] <IDWMaster> I have 2.6.32-10-generic
[22:44] <BUGabundo> but is it 32bits or 64 ?
[22:44] <IDWMaster> 64 bit
[22:44] <BUGabundo> check a bios upgrade then
[22:44] <IDWMaster> It says everything in the bootchart.
[22:44] <IDWMaster> Disk throughput is 143MBPS
[22:44] <BUGabundo> or docs on the memory hole
[22:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:45] <IDWMaster> I'll try booting from SSD later when I get one of those drives.
[22:45] <IDWMaster> I don't have one yet though.
[22:45] <IDWMaster> I used to be able to boot from an SD card
[22:46] <bjsnider> IDWMaster, you're using dual-channel DDR with a core i7?
[22:46] <IDWMaster> Yes.
[22:47] <bjsnider> unfortunate
[22:47] <IDWMaster> What's the memory hole by the way?
[22:48] <bjsnider> the place where inconvenient information is thrown in the book "1984"
[22:48] <BUGabundo> IDWMaster: a way motherboards specify how to address more then 3GB of RAM
[22:49] <IDWMaster> I use Mono for development, and that starts almost instantly
[22:50] <IDWMaster> How do you compile apps for 64 bit in Mono?
[22:50] <IDWMaster> I only see 32 bit options for some reason.
[22:51] <IDWMaster> I'm working on a unified chat program which uses the IDW adapter.
[22:52] <IDWMaster> It's on Launchpad
[22:52] <IDWMaster> https://launchpad.net/universal
[22:52] <IDWMaster> Just started it though
[23:07] <XiXaQ> I'm really excited about gnome-shell and zeitgeist. I'd like to hear from people with experience from it in lucid.
[23:07] <BUGabundo> XiXaQ: seems most that tried it didn't like it
[23:08] <XiXaQ> like it? The features or the current state of affairs?
[23:08] <XiXaQ> I've used gnome-shell for a while, and I really love it.
[23:09] <XiXaQ> I hated it to begin with, but someone I know to be very competent spoke warmly about it, so I gave it a second go, and when I got used to it, I began to see the big advantages of it. I haven't looked at zeitgeist yet, though, but that's also something I've been longing for forever.
[23:10] <XiXaQ> tagging is much better than navigating through hierarchies, I think.
[23:11] <BUGabundo> I guess it needs to be hammered into our habbits
[23:11] <BUGabundo> just like bottom nautilus tabs :\
[23:12] <BluesKaj> XiXaQ, so what are the gnome-shell advantages in your experience?
[23:13] <XiXaQ> much better workspaces, for instance.
[23:13] <XiXaQ> and I like the activities pane.
[23:52] <IDWMaster> I've ran another bootchart
[23:53] <IDWMaster> It boots slower on SSDs than moving disks for some reason
[23:53] <IDWMaster> Although the raw transfer speed is a lot faster on SSDs
[23:53] <IDWMaster> 310MBPS compared to 143MBPS
[23:54] <IDWMaster> 3.8 sec boot time to GDM is pretty fast
[23:55] <simba_> i run lucid of ssd, and i think it is very responcive, havent tried bootchart yet
[23:55] <IDWMaster> use
[23:55] <IDWMaster> apt-get install bootchart
[23:55] <IDWMaster> Then look in /var/logs/bootchart
[23:56] <yofel> /var/log/bootchart
[23:56] <IDWMaster> Intel SSD?
[23:57] <IDWMaster> Has anyone compared SSD boot performance to regular HDD performance yet?
[23:57] <simba_> not sure who makes them....it is kingston stickers on :P
[23:57] <IDWMaster> Is it one of the 80GB models?
[23:58] <simba_> 128
[23:58] <simba_> testing...brb
[23:58] <IDWMaster> Must not be Intel.


[13:58] <vish> grr! why is there again a status bar in firefox 4b12  :?
[13:58] <micahg> vish: there isn't, it's just text
[13:59] <vish> micahg: the mini-one which just shows up at times on hovering links and such
[13:59] <vish> it was nicer when having that link showup in the addressbar :(
[14:00] <micahg> vish: it's not a bar, just text, and the addressbar didn't have enough room to make it work properly, I think this is much better and will make for a smoother transition for those upgrading from 3.6
[14:01] <vish> IMO, smoother transition for upgrades is not a reason for reverting the behavior..
[14:02] <micahg> vish: my guess is they reverted it because it doesn't work properly
[14:03] <vish> tbh, it was a bit distracting at the start.. but i think i just got used to having all info in one place … ;)
[14:03]  * vish googles for the bug
[14:03]  * micahg hated the partial URLS
[14:50] <jdstrand> fta: while I find the patch disappointing (why have't upstream fixed this? certainly they want PIE too?), I think it fine and appropriate for the pending .98 regression upload
[14:51] <fta> jdstrand, which patch?
[14:51] <jdstrand> fta:   * Disable PIE on Armel/Lucid (LP: #716703)
[14:52] <fta> jdstrand, i discussed with kees, he said he will try to put an arm guru on it
[14:52] <jdstrand> fta: awesome :)
[14:54] <fta> jdstrand, i checked the .98 diff, there's nothing for us in there. it's just the flash IME thingy, inside a WIN_OS ifdef block
[14:54] <fta> it didn't upload it to natty
[14:55] <fta> we have a regression in flash 10.2, but there's no fix anywhere yet
[14:56] <jdstrand> ok
[14:57] <fta> bug 716640
[14:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 716640 in chromium-browser "Shockwave Flash plugin crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716640
[14:59] <fta> strangely, it doesn't crash in ch11


[11:51] <Unit193> http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/04/ford-just-made-spotting-its-police-suv-a-lot-harder/ well that kind of stinks, for several reasons.
[11:51] <jenni> [ Ford just made spotting its police SUV a lot harder | Ars Technica ] - https://j.mp/1YmWHz7
[12:06] <Unit193> (Something like http://wtvr.com/2015/02/23/richmonders-will-soon-be-seeing-more-blue-lights-in-the-city/ seems much better.)
[12:06] <jenni> [ Richmonder’s will soon be seeing more blue lights in the city | WTVR.com ] - https://j.mp/1YmY7tC