[01:36] <bgryderclock> Is there a Ubuntu hardware compatibly list that covers PCMCIA cards? I was researching cards and only found this one: http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_linux.html
[01:47] <Don-S> Have you looked here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ ?
[01:19] <bgryderclock> Don-S: it is not listed under > Hardware Components, Ports and Controllers > Serial ATA Controllers, Serial Ports,  Motherboards,  Uninterruptible Power Supply
[01:19] <Don-S> Not sure if I can help you then, sorry.
[01:25] <bgryderclock> that's OK Don-S, is there a site suggestion box i were i submit a request for a list to be created on the ubuntu wiki?
[01:28]  * bgryderclock is still learning how to talk. :/
[01:31] <Don-S> Well, I haven't heard of one such page.
[03:05] <Robb_M> Hey guys, has the 8.10 start page in Firefox been created on the server?
[03:06] <Robb_M> when i try to go to it in firefox (by just changing 8.04 to 8.10 in http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04 it gives me a hardy start page (though its supposed to say about intrepid)
[03:07] <Robb_M> i was just curious if this was intentional or not....


[07:13] <cortexA9> hello
[07:15] <cortexA9> I wanna report an issue with the sleep mode on KDE 4.12.3. It doesn't work correctly and freeze my system after i turned on.
[07:18] <jussi> cortexA9: bugs.kde.org is your best chance to get something sorted :)
[07:19] <shadeslayer> good morning
[07:19] <yofel> moin
[07:20] <jussi> morning shadeslayer, yofel
[07:20] <jussi> shadeslayer: seen my ping elsewhere?
[07:20] <shadeslayer> just got into the office, give me a moment ;)
[07:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: take your time, grab a coffee or irn bru or whatever :)
[07:21] <cortexA9> jussi: i don't know if it's a KDE issue or Kubuntu..
[07:21] <shadeslayer> jussi: already had 2 on the way in
[07:21] <shadeslayer> 2 coffee's that is
[07:21] <shadeslayer> waiting for Riddell to move here so he can import Irn Bru
[07:22] <shadeslayer> jussi: #10 ConferenceAuthOp::onPasswordProvided (this=0x9c6ae0, watcher=<optimized out>) at /build/buildd/ktp-auth-handler-0.7.80/conference-auth-op.cpp:105
[07:22] <shadeslayer> something to do with conference stuff is my guess
[07:22] <shadeslayer> d_ed will probably know more, I haven't touched ktp code in ages
[07:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: I've been deliberating on a node.js app that will allow you to build your own CD, powered by live build as the backend
[07:24] <shadeslayer> own ubuntu CD that is
[07:24] <shadeslayer> powered by a JSON config
[07:24] <yofel> could be cool, do we have proper ubuntu-live-build docs yet?
[07:25] <shadeslayer> as long as cj is around, who needs docs
[07:25] <yofel> hehe
[07:25] <shadeslayer> the docs lie anyway
[07:25] <shadeslayer> for it is the way of documentation ;)
[07:27] <shadeslayer> valorie: plz be leaving comments on card https://trello.com/c/aR2V1zm7
[07:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: what would be cooler is if it was offered as a IAS :P
[07:29] <jmux> After updating my Qt fixes with an improved test case, I'm comming back to the kubuntu-backports Precise udisks2 (USN-2142-1) and a long standing kmix bug (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181652).
[07:29] <jussi> shadeslayer: first thing: Irn Bru is now available in Finland :D
[07:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: IAS?
[07:29] <shadeslayer> jussi: how does that help me :(
[07:29] <jussi> shadeslayer: second.. I guess Ill have to bug d_ed :)
[07:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: Infrastructure as a Service
[07:29] <jussi> shadeslayer: move here already! :P
[07:29] <shadeslayer> pft, ETOOCOLD
[07:30] <valorie> shadeslayer: on it
[07:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: I think the I's the problem here :P
[07:30] <yofel> but yeah, cool indeed
[07:30] <shadeslayer> valorie: thx <3
[07:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: true true
[07:30] <valorie> shadeslayer: I did review that and add my special sauce when you first asked
[07:31] <jussi> shadeslayer: oh come on, Ill take you up to the arctic circle in january - then youll know what cold is :P
[07:31] <shadeslayer> valorie: but I am so forgetful :( , best to leave a comment on cards
[07:31] <shadeslayer> <- very bad person for forgetting things
[07:31] <valorie> but added comment to card as well
[07:31] <valorie> not sure I ever saw the card
[07:31] <jussi> "if it isnt written down, it didnt happen!"
[07:31] <jussi> :P
[07:32] <valorie> bbbbbut
[07:32] <shadeslayer> jussi: I do want
[07:32] <valorie> I did write on the notes
[07:32] <shadeslayer> jussi: I do want to see the northern lights
[07:32] <valorie> lol
[07:32] <valorie> ok
[07:32] <jussi> shadeslayer: well worth it :)
[07:32] <shadeslayer> and huskies
[07:32] <shadeslayer> and ride in a sleigh driven by huskies
[07:32] <shadeslayer> <3
[07:33] <jussi> shadeslayer: btw, what happened to the ktp presence thing for systray ?
[07:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: could make things like getting packages from PPA's or other repo's a paid feature
[07:33] <shadeslayer> that way it's a bit more sustainable
[07:33] <shadeslayer> jussi: what about it?
[07:33] <jussi> shadeslayer: it doesnt exist anymore?
[07:33] <shadeslayer> it most certainly does
[07:33] <shadeslayer> here
[07:34] <jussi> I dont see it...
[07:34] <shadeslayer> I've had way too much sugar this morning ....
[07:34] <jussi> shadeslayer: right click system tray, system tray settings - not in list
[07:34] <shadeslayer> jussi: odd, give me a couple of minutes
[07:34] <shadeslayer> need to sort out some stuff
[07:35] <jussi> ok
[07:36] <shadeslayer> valorie: suggestions on where to put https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-migration-guide
[07:40] <valorie> hmmmm
[07:41] <valorie> for sure we need to link to it from the announcement for 14.04, where we discuss offering FF
[07:42] <valorie> just in case there are folks who don't have it, and run only Rekonq
[07:42] <valorie> I'm thinking that's about 2 people
[07:42] <shadeslayer> ^^
[07:42] <valorie> lemme page through the userdocs and see if there is a good place to add it there
[07:43] <shadeslayer> thx
[07:43] <valorie> oh what the hell
[07:44] <valorie> first page i hit isn't uptodate for 14.04
[07:44] <valorie> grrrr
[07:45] <valorie> are we including any games in the ISO, apachelogger?
[07:45] <valorie> I know we used to offer kpat
[07:46] <shadeslayer> valorie: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/trusty-desktop-amd64.manifest
[07:46] <shadeslayer> le manifest has everything
[07:46] <valorie> danke schon
[07:47] <shadeslayer> can't find kpat there
[07:47] <shadeslayer> so probably kicked out
[07:59] <valorie> this effing page needs one hell of a lot of work
[08:02] <shadeslayer> valorie: let me know if I can help, though writing documentation isn't one of my strong suits :P
[08:05] <valorie> i"m writing to the list
[08:05] <valorie> not your problem
[08:05] <valorie> I feel guilty for not catching this before
[08:05] <valorie> probably why i'm mad
[08:05] <valorie> but seriously, it's a mashup of an old page I wrote for the last release
[08:06] <valorie> I've just had a large pile on my plate this time around
[08:07] <shadeslayer> valorie: ( I need a script to do this ) {{{{hugs}}}}
[08:07]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{[hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} back
[08:08] <valorie> sorry to hear you were sick
[08:08] <valorie> I took the whole weekend off because i was too
[08:08] <valorie> slept and binge-watched Downton Abbey
[08:08] <valorie> you are feeling better, shadeslayer?
[08:09] <shadeslayer> yep, it was something I ate on Monday
[08:09] <shadeslayer> it all came out on Tuesday
[08:09] <shadeslayer> probably Monday dinner
[08:10] <shadeslayer> <- Can't tell the difference between spoilt food and food at the moment
[08:10] <valorie> yikes
[08:10] <shadeslayer> some stuff is easy, milk, easy, cooked beans with alot of spices, not so easy
[08:11] <valorie> "all came out" -- sounds like fun
[08:11] <shadeslayer> yep
[08:13] <shadeslayer> valorie: whoa, that page is a proper mess
[08:13] <shadeslayer> looks worse than what came out yesterday
[08:13] <valorie> I probably made it worse
[08:14] <valorie> I'll mess with it tomorrow if someone else doesn't split it
[08:14] <shadeslayer> idk, but it seems to list *everything* in the archive
[08:14] <valorie> well, it was a list of "best of what else you can get
[08:14] <shadeslayer> just had a cursory browse though
[08:14] <valorie> but it's under the heading "what you get by default"
[08:14] <valorie> which is effed up
[08:15] <shadeslayer> oh heh
[08:15] <valorie> I made a page a long time ago for "what's the best that's out there"
[08:15] <valorie> how it got all mashed together I do not know
[08:15] <valorie> maybe in the move
[08:16] <valorie> :(
[08:16] <valorie> not sure if that page "what's the best" should even be in the user docs
[08:17] <shadeslayer> I don't think so
[08:17] <shadeslayer> folks can use discover to ... uh ... discover things
[08:17] <shadeslayer> documentation for discovering things is just duplication now
[08:18] <valorie> at best it could be linked to
[08:18] <shadeslayer> yofel:     kde-baseapps: yofel WIP
[08:18] <valorie> right
[08:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: I can steal?
[08:18] <yofel> no
[08:18] <shadeslayer> :(
[08:18] <yofel> or let me commit
[08:18] <yofel> then you can
[08:18] <valorie> so maybe it should just be mostly ripped out
[08:18] <valorie> geez
[08:18] <shadeslayer> yay
[08:19] <shadeslayer> hm
[08:19] <shadeslayer> possibly we need a new kgapi as well
[08:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: committed, feel free to take over if baloo-widgets built fine
[08:21] <shadeslayer> yipee
[08:22] <shadeslayer> I feel like I would have so much less work if we just had better regex's instead of listing every single file in the install file
[08:23] <yofel> depends, this way allows you to notice missing files
[08:24] <shadeslayer> which we would not have if we had better regex's :P
[08:25] <yofel> how do you make a regex that only matches one file each? :P
[08:25] <yofel> or well, that would be pointless
[08:25] <shadeslayer> ^^
[08:25] <yofel> which is my point
[08:25] <apachelogger> curious observation: if you have two quasselclients connect you won't get a notification for highlights if the highlight has been seen by one of the clients -.-
[08:25] <apachelogger> valorie: all games had to be shot in the face
[08:25] <shadeslayer> you only noticed that now?
[08:25] <shadeslayer> I just took that for granted
[08:26] <valorie> oh well
[08:26] <apachelogger> valorie: also, FWIW, from the discover poll it seemed as if no one cared about games
[08:26] <valorie> I figured as much
[08:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ohai there
[08:26] <shadeslayer> hallo
[08:26] <apachelogger> wait what
[08:26] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:26] <apachelogger> something is wrong here
[08:26] <apachelogger> very wrong
[08:26] <valorie> last I looked, no games showed up in Muon Discover
[08:27] <shadeslayer> ??
[08:27] <valorie> but that seems to be intermittent
[08:27]  * valorie checks again
[08:27] <valorie> now they all appear
[08:27] <valorie> I hate weird shit like that
[08:28] <valorie> but working is better than not
[08:29] <valorie> apachelogger: i think those who play kde-games type games aren't answering our polls
[08:30] <valorie> that seems more like parents installing stuff for their kiddies
[08:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: for eg. why do we have usr/lib/*/libkgapi2.so.2.1.
[08:30] <apachelogger> I know, no one who is answering our polls tens to think the same
[08:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: usr/lib/*/libkgapi2.so.2.1.0
[08:30] <shadeslayer> instead of usr/lib/*/libkgapi2.so.2*
[08:30] <valorie> and grandmas like me who play solitaire
[08:31] <apachelogger> somehow my thinking isn't quite straight today
[08:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[08:31]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger.
[08:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: order MOAR COFFEE
[08:31]  * kubotu slides moar coffee down the bar to apachelogger
[08:31] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order sugar
[08:31]  * kubotu slides sugar down the bar to shadeslayer
[08:31] <shadeslayer> you can't slide sugar silly bot
[08:31] <apachelogger> sure ye can
[08:31] <shadeslayer> well ... maybe if it's in a bowl ....
[08:31] <valorie> sugar in a bowl, or cubes
[08:32]  * valorie pelts shadeslayer with sugar cubes
[08:32] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[08:32] <valorie> geeez, i should get off the internets
[08:32] <valorie> instead of being rude and hostile!
[08:33] <shadeslayer> valorie: but someone could be wrong!
[08:33] <valorie> lol
[08:33]  * valorie orders the bot to clean up the mess of sugar
[08:33] <apachelogger> valorie: /nick vaderlogger ... no one shall ever know it was you being rude
[08:34] <kubotu> valorie: clean it up yourself!
[08:34] <valorie> lol
[08:34] <valorie> !
[08:34] <valorie> btw, did you see the lord vader vid I posted for you the other day?
[08:34] <apachelogger> yes
[08:35] <shadeslayer> is it the one where he's playing bagpipes on a uni cycle with fire coming out of the pipes?
[08:35] <apachelogger> I promptly replied with a lego video of it
[08:35] <valorie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX0Z4kxKlKY
[08:35] <valorie> NO!
[08:35] <valorie> this is eddie izzard
[08:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, that makes sense to have patterns for
[08:35] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
[08:35] <valorie> <3
[08:35] <yofel> I was talking about data files etc.
[08:36] <valorie> oh god, I must have missed that in the netsplit
[08:37] <shadeslayer> yay
[08:37] <shadeslayer> just got something awesome in the mailk
[08:37] <apachelogger> that's spelled kmail
[08:37]  * apachelogger hits shadeslayer on the head
[08:39] <kubotu> death by tray it shall be!
[08:39] <valorie> excellent lego enactment!
[08:39] <apachelogger> kubotu: quite right, kind robot, quite right
[08:39] <JeffVader> niters
[08:39] <apachelogger> JeffVader: can I get your autograph?
[08:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no no, as in physical mail
[08:40] <apachelogger> what is this? the 80's?
[08:44] <apachelogger> !info libvlc
[08:44] <apachelogger> !info vlc
[09:04] <shadeslayer> well this is most certainly weird
[09:04] <shadeslayer> E: libkgapi2-2: symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision on symbol _ZN6KGAPI212DriveService11copyFileUrlERK7QString@Base and 1118 others
[09:05] <shadeslayer> ahh
[09:05] <shadeslayer> I really need a duck
[09:07] <jussi> shadeslayer: go to your local chinese - they probably have it on the menu :P :P
[09:08] <shadeslayer> jussi: I was talking about this one http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Qt_duck.jpg
[09:08] <jussi> hehe
[09:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plz upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/libkgapi_2.1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[09:18] <apachelogger> half an hour
[09:19] <shadeslayer> you're blocking kdepim for 30 minutes then
[09:19] <apachelogger> the internets is
[09:20] <apachelogger> also
[09:20] <apachelogger> become motu
[09:20] <shadeslayer> in hindi that literally translates to become fat
[09:20] <apachelogger> sounds about right
[09:21] <jussi> hah!
[09:21] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[09:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: qt SRU
[09:22] <shadeslayer> added to TODO
[09:23] <apachelogger> I think a lot of the top crashers right now are because of that
[09:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: again, probably can't upload xD
[09:25] <shadeslayer> also, did fregl get back?
[09:25] <apachelogger> yes, he approved
[09:25] <apachelogger> and said that the patch is spooky to begin with
[09:25] <apachelogger> which is news right there ^^
[09:26] <shadeslayer> it's alright even though it's spooky?
[09:29] <apachelogger>   Uploading libkgapi_2.1.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[09:29] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[09:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the original a11y patch he meant
[09:29] <apachelogger> the patch for the patch is fine
[09:29] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thx
[09:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: this is weird
[09:39] <shadeslayer> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/AccountsQt/AccountsQtConfigVersion.cmake has version 1.11
[09:39] <shadeslayer> but : ../../../resources/facebook/../shared/getcredentialsjob.h:27:30: fatal error: SignOn/SessionData: No such file or directory
[09:39] <shadeslayer>  #include <SignOn/SessionData>
[09:39] <shadeslayer> in kdepim-runtime
[09:40] <shadeslayer> even the version on libaccountsqt-dev is 1.10
[09:40] <shadeslayer> hm, I reckon we can update that too
[09:40] <shadeslayer> seeing how nothing else depends on it
[09:40]  * apachelogger doesn't compute all of the above anyway
[09:43] <shadeslayer> shit is broken
[09:46] <shadeslayer> whoa
[09:46] <shadeslayer> O_O
[09:46] <shadeslayer>  -- Ubuntu daily release<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:15:20 +0000
[09:46] <shadeslayer> I wonder whom to poke about that
[09:46] <apachelogger> the qa manager!
[09:47] <shadeslayer> stuff be outdated :(
[09:47] <shadeslayer> makes me sad
[09:47] <shadeslayer> mmm ... this might break ubuntu stuff since the Qt5 package is generated by the same source
[09:47] <shadeslayer> sigh
[09:48] <apachelogger> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/a71c92cf2e3940f3b2a897671c4255315e72e690
[09:48] <apachelogger> I think there's a bug in apt-pkg :'<
[09:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/751e840dab47f7bf986db754c38aac49e09db4ba
[09:50] <shadeslayer> worse bugs to look at
[09:50] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:51] <apachelogger> I slightly hate python
[09:51] <shadeslayer> I think it's because of updated Qt4
[09:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how so?
[09:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there was no qt upload
[09:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well, it isn't apport since yofel tried out 0ubuntu4 and it crashed as well
[09:54] <apachelogger> well yeah, apport also hasn't had an upload :P
[09:54] <shadeslayer> it did
[09:54] <apachelogger> all of feburary there was no qt or pyqt upload it seems
[09:54] <shadeslayer> all problems appear in 0ubuntu5
[09:55] <shadeslayer> except that one entry in 0ubuntu4
[09:55] <apachelogger> ah
[09:55] <apachelogger> there it is
[09:55] <apachelogger> ctrl-f failing me
[09:55] <apachelogger> yofel: did you remember to downgrade python-apport and python3-apport?
[09:56] <apachelogger> there also was a python upload FWIW
[09:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:58] <apachelogger> yofel: make sure you have all apport packages downgraded, if that does nto help also try downgrading python
[09:59] <apachelogger> there isn't hat much stuff that could have an impact like that
[09:59] <shadeslayer> I hate quassel
[09:59] <shadeslayer> it's messed up my channel list :|
[10:00] <apachelogger> yeah, let's switch to konversation
[10:00] <apachelogger> how does not trigger the crash shadeslayer?
[10:00] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order coffee for apachelogger
[10:00]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger.
[10:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try again
[10:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how does one trigger the crash?
[10:01]  * apachelogger is somewhat concerned over one->not
[10:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1282713
[10:01] <apachelogger> kubotu: order brain
[10:01]  * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[10:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why is that private?
[10:01] <shadeslayer> idk, I haven't bothered to set it to public
[10:01] <apachelogger> first thing yiou do is set stuff public
[10:01] <apachelogger> always
[10:01] <apachelogger> without looking
[10:02] <apachelogger> because FU launchpad
[10:02] <shadeslayer> without looking? :O
[10:02] <apachelogger> yes
[10:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that doesn't really say how to reproduce it, does it?
[10:03] <apachelogger> oh
[10:03] <apachelogger> somehow I think my apport installation is busted, lol
[10:03] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/65U57TW.png thats my window xD
[10:03] <apachelogger> and then it crashed
[10:04] <shadeslayer> lol
[10:05] <apachelogger> doesn't want to tell me what is wrong though
[10:05] <apachelogger> silly thing
[10:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also, running it through the apport test cases also causes it to crash IIRC
[10:06] <apachelogger> I am more concerned with the broken UI right now
[10:07] <shadeslayer> I think that's because of the apachelogger effect
[10:07] <shadeslayer> "All software breaks down around apachelogger"
[10:07] <shadeslayer> or the apachelogger certainity effect, all bugs occur around apachelogger :P
[10:07] <apachelogger> because all software is weak and has shitty code
[10:13] <apachelogger> it's not apport
[10:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, yofel: the pyqt bindings for python3.4 are busted
[10:14] <apachelogger> the defaults chang eot python3.4 is why it started crashing
[10:14] <apachelogger> man
[10:14] <apachelogger> *the defaults change to
[10:14] <apachelogger> python3.4 /usr/share/apport/apport-kde -w == crash
[10:14] <apachelogger> python3.3 /usr/share/apport/apport-kde -w == no crash
[10:14] <shadeslayer> aren't we on 3.3 this cycle?
[10:15] <apachelogger> no
[10:15] <apachelogger> was changed on Feb18
[10:15] <shadeslayer> 3.4?
[10:15] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: upload plz http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/artikulate_0.2.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:45] <apachelogger> !info gwenview trusty
[10:45] <apachelogger> isn't aht supposed to be beta1?
[10:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:   Uploading artikulate_0.2.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[10:46] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[11:00] <shadeslayer> thx
[11:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what did we finalize about the tr calls in libqapt? Messages.sh should extract them?
[11:03] <shadeslayer> if so, how would it work, since libqapt doesn't do catalog loading afaict
[11:03] <apachelogger> we finilized that someone needs to figure things out with manchicken and probably apol
[11:03] <shadeslayer> okay, will wait for apol then
[11:04] <shadeslayer> and email manchicken
[11:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got any cards for me
[11:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the one that says QT SRU FFS
[11:04] <shadeslayer> yeah, doing that now
[11:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but apart from that
[11:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see the purple boards on trello
[11:05] <shadeslayer> where's this Qt4 SRU card
[11:05] <apachelogger> there aint one
[11:05] <apachelogger> because it's a multi-target SRU
[11:05] <apachelogger> needs SRUing all the way back to 12.04
[11:06] <apachelogger> and possibly immediate relief updates in the backports PPA
[11:06] <shadeslayer> got a bug number?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[11:07] <shadeslayer> maybe changelog has one
[11:07] <shadeslayer> nope
[11:07] <shadeslayer> so I get to file one :(
[11:11] <apachelogger> some bug reports make me wanna jump off a cliff
[11:12] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/1200523/comments/172 quite possibly
[11:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: saucy as well?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> erm
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Quantal as well?
[11:14] <apachelogger> is that still supported?
[11:15] <apachelogger> ubottu: how do I ask if you quantal is still supported?
[11:15] <apachelogger> !eol
[11:15] <shadeslayer> yes :(
[11:15] <yofel> it is for like another month or so
[11:15] <apachelogger> pff, one month
[11:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: screw it
[11:15] <shadeslayer> okay
[11:15] <apachelogger> unless ubuntu-sru makes you push the fix
[11:15] <apachelogger> we'll not get any testers for it
[11:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^ what say you?
[11:21] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov)
[11:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: want to do some uploads of Qt4-x11 to precise-proposed?
[11:22] <shadeslayer> in 30 minutes
[11:24] <apachelogger> you know
[11:24] <apachelogger> quassel is cool
[11:24] <apachelogger> I keep using ctrl-w
[11:24] <apachelogger> and it keeps fucking me over
[11:32] <Riddell> vHanda: am I right in thinking I want kde-runtime built with nepomuk bits in 4.13 if I want amarok and digikam to still work with nepomuk?
[11:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: amarok nepomuk stuff is non-functional
[11:33] <apachelogger> drop it
[11:33] <vHanda> yes, but please remember that amarok integration with Nepomuk is optional and not really part of the core functionality
[11:33] <vHanda> same is the case with Digikam
[11:33] <vHanda> I would recommend not shipping nepomuk in kde-runtime
[11:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:34] <Riddell> vHanda: anything else that we might get complaints about if we drop it or shall we say a quick goodbye?
[11:35] <vHanda> not that I know of. Bangarang hasn't been working correctly for sometime now.
[11:36] <Riddell> vHanda: plasma media centre?
[11:36] <yofel> so nothing in kde is still using nepomuk?
[11:36] <yofel> kde sc I mean
[11:38] <shadeslayer> fooey
[11:38] <vHanda> Riddell: ah right. Those guys!
[11:39] <vHanda> yup, you're out of luck then.
[11:39] <shadeslayer> I'll have to test build Qt4 :/
[11:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why?
[11:39] <vHanda> Though I would just forget about it, but then I have a very very biased view.
[11:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: because the a11y patch from the ML doesn't apply cleanly and I need to build Qt4 to check if it will build correctly
[11:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which a11y patch?
[11:40] <shadeslayer> the one that fixes the plasma crash
[11:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/1289600
[11:40] <Riddell> oh yes I knew I had an e-mail thread to read on that
[11:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: being taken care of :)
[11:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: on that note, I actually dropped the nepomuk stuff from runtime
[11:41] <Riddell> poor PMC
[11:43] <shadeslayer> also, this means we should not enable nepomuk in that other thing that we enabled it in
[11:43] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace was it?
[11:43] <Riddell> do we need to recompile amarok et al?
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you get my ping about kwin_gles
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nah, run time IIRC
[11:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[11:45] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[11:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nvm, I need to email martin
[11:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've got this glib patch from jmux for qt, shall I just put it in the bzr and let you take care of it?
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please file a SRU bug with all the relevant info
[11:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: kde-baseapps?
[11:45] <shadeslayer> I don't want to do more SRU paperwork
[11:46] <yofel> or I'm thinking about runtime...
[11:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and then send me the patch
[11:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't rememebr
[11:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you ask thiago yet?
[11:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes I'll do the SRU I just mean I won't upload it to trusty if you're doing qt in trusty today
[11:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bug 1290514
[11:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep, I'm sure he'll reply any minute now
[11:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's the package you fixed
[11:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok :)
[11:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: which was runtime
[11:47] <yofel> so nepomuk wasn't really dropped there
[11:49] <shadeslayer> right
[11:49] <shadeslayer> needs dropping there
[11:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I need a patch for that bug
[11:52] <shadeslayer> gerrit sucks when it comes to downloading a patch
[11:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's in bzr
[11:55] <shadeslayer> bzr branch?
[11:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just needs uploading to trusty, I'll take care of the SRU (unless you are planning to do an SRU anyway)
[11:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kbzr co qt
[11:56] <shadeslayer> well ... I was thinking of doing it
[11:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok great :)
[11:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload qt4-x11 ?
[11:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope
[11:59] <shadeslayer> because changelog doesn't have a UNRELEASED entry
[11:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: because I was planning to before you said you're working on qt
[11:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so you'll take care of glib and plasma patches in trusty and SRUs?
[12:00] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:00] <Riddell> lovely, I'll crack on with 4.12.80 then
[12:00] <Riddell> actually I'll do that udisks2 update jmux wanted
[12:12] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1290947] System go to sleep after a few minutes of inactivity. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1290947 (by Jaime Pérez)
[13:27] <Riddell> has printing broken for anyone else today?
[13:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Qt4 for Trusty up
[13:28] <shadeslayer> working my way back now
[13:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: lovelyness
[13:28] <Riddell> vHanda: what does "enable developer mode" mean in baloo kcm?
[13:29] <Riddell> vHanda and everyone: by default do we want baloo indexing ~/Documents or all of ~ ?
[13:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde-runtime still has -DKDERUNTIME_BUILD_NEPOMUK=TRUE I thought you said you dropped it?
[13:31]  * jussi coughs and points those with access to his G+/FB :D
[13:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uh oh, qt failed on arm
[13:33] <shadeslayer> already?!
[13:33] <Riddell> jussi: another jussi family member, well done!
[13:33] <jussi> :)
[13:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I dropped it on some other package, but not on kde-runtime
[13:34] <shadeslayer> jussi: another KDE/Kubuntu contributor
[13:34] <shadeslayer> yay
[13:34] <jussi> shadeslayer: elodi is already a user :D
[13:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok I'll drop it on kde-runtime since that seems to be the way to go
[13:35] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc
[13:35] <jussi> hehe
[13:38] <vHanda> Riddell: I'll be removing that. Dont' worry about it.
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: " libgles2-mesa-dev : Depends: libegl1-mesa-dev but it is not going to be installed"
[13:42] <shadeslayer> not my problem
[13:44] <shadeslayer> or well
[13:45] <shadeslayer> a problem not caused by me would be more appropriate
[13:51] <Peace-> hi i have a little problem here ,  14.04 sudo apt-get build-dep dolphin ; apt-get source dolphin ;  sudo dpkg-buildpackage -j9 -b -rfakeroot -us -uc  ... it goes but then i got an error
[13:51] <Peace-> http://wklej.org/id/1297248
[13:53] <Riddell> "error: experiment/kde-baseapps-4.12.3/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/debabi_verscript_konq: No such file or directory"
[13:54] <Riddell> Peace-: something funky happening with our abi patch
[13:54] <Peace-> :)
[13:56] <sgclark> Riddell: I tried to make symbols for the .so files in baloo to resolve intra-source-package-circular-dependency baloo libbalooxapian4 and after beating my head on it for some time, I have come to the conclusion that will not work, dpkg-gensymbols refuses to use them and creates empty symbols file resulting in error. Now I am back to circular, any ideas?
[13:56] <vHanda> Riddell: all of ~/
[13:57] <Riddell> sgclark: what's the circle?
[13:57] <sgclark> Riddell: intra-source-package-circular-dependency baloo libbalooxapian4
[13:57] <Riddell> ah yes libbalooxapian4 depend on baloo
[13:58] <Riddell> probably only because it depends on libbaloocore4
[13:58] <sgclark> objdumb shows it does indeed
[13:58] <Riddell> I wonder if there's some clever thing we can put in debian/rules to tell it not to add that shlibs depends
[13:58] <sgclark> let me research that, thanks
[13:59] <Peace-> mmm i will reboot laters
[13:59] <Riddell> sgclark: try this...
[13:59] <Riddell> override_dh_shlibdeps: $(overridden_command) -- -xbaloo
[13:59] <Riddell> (new line, tab after the colon)
[14:00] <sgclark> Riddell: will do thank you
[14:06] <sgclark> Riddell: that did it, thanks! will be ready shortly
[14:07] <Riddell> sgclark: awooga
[14:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you marked artikulate as done but it's not in the PPA or bzr?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's in the archive
[14:07] <sgclark> Riddell: what was the other one you wanted me to review?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> !info artikulate trusty
[14:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/artikulate/0.2.0-0ubuntu1
[14:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but you've not touched it from KDE SC?
[14:09] <Riddell> sgclark: kqtquickcharts I also packaged
[14:09] <sgclark> ok
[14:10] <shadeslayer> it's not in KDE SC?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> oh wait what
[14:10] <shadeslayer> what
[14:11] <shadeslayer> pft
[14:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/artikulate/".
[14:13] <shadeslayer> ]
[14:13] <shadeslayer> so we actually don't have a packaging branch
[14:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, this is what I was saying, I'll update it for SC if you're not doing anything on it
[14:14] <shadeslayer> on it
[14:14]  * Riddell off it
[14:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'll steal gwenview from you then
[14:16] <shadeslayer> go ahead
[14:16] <shadeslayer> nothing to steal till something else wasn't built IIRC
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://trello.com/c/dAa6lSDW
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you really don't want to kick off hplip
[14:20] <shadeslayer> that would drop support for all HP Printers?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> some of them printers are scanners as well, and for some reason CUPS only adds the printer not the scanner
[14:21] <shadeslayer> so skanlite never sees the scanner
[14:26] <sgclark> I personally could not get my scanner to work without hplip, so I agree needed!
[14:27] <sgclark> Riddell: baloo ready
[14:29] <Riddell> sgclark: looking good
[14:29] <Riddell> sgclark: you could also cast a critical eye over baloo-widgets although I think shadeslayer has already had a look
[14:30] <sgclark> Riddell: package-has-long-file-name 77 (86) > 80 ignore?
[14:33] <Riddell> sgclark: what's the name?
[14:33] <sgclark> Riddell: qtdeclarative4-kqtquickcharts-1
[14:33] <jmux> Riddell, shadeslayer: Just came back from a longer meeting. I'm still waitung for additional review from Qt devs. Not sure if I should actively poke them...
[14:34] <shadeslayer> jussi: I'd wait till tomorrow
[14:34] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:34] <shadeslayer> jmux: ^^
[14:34] <Riddell> sgclark: do you know which file name it's complaining about?
[14:35] <sgclark> Riddell: That is the only package so it has to be that
[14:36] <sgclark> Riddell: qtdeclarative4-kqtquickcharts-1_4.12.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1_amd64.deb is pretty long :)
[14:37] <Riddell> oh I see, well hmm not much we can do about that really
[14:37] <sgclark> yeaah figured
[14:37] <sgclark> unless you want me to add override this package is good as is
[14:38] <Riddell> sgclark: nah leave it incase we want to care about it later
[14:38] <sgclark> ok, I will look over baloo-widgetss
[14:39] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: does not compute
[14:39] <apachelogger_> are cups drivers now written in python?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> no, however hplip does some magic
[14:40] <shadeslayer> tl;dr wireless scanner doesn't show up on my machine till I don't run hp-setup
[14:40] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: right, and we have a gui for that?
[14:41]  * Riddell wonders why nepomuk-core build-deps on baloo
[14:41] <vHanda> migrator
[14:41] <vHanda> you guys will need to run that
[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: yes, and as stated before just running the printer config kcm doesn't make the scanner show up
[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: scanner doesn't show up until you run hp-setup
[14:42] <Riddell> vHanda: ooh? is that a binary?
[14:42] <vHanda> yes, nepomukbaloomigrator
[14:42] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: so what value does hplip add?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: hp-setup!
[14:42] <shadeslayer> and drivers I think
[14:42] <apachelogger_> it most certainly does not contain drivers
[14:42] <apachelogger_> and hp-setup is a non-value because we have no GUI using it supposedly
[14:42] <shadeslayer> fine, hp-setup is the most important bit then
[14:43] <apachelogger_> it's a non-existant bit, unless a user gets told to run it, they might as well not have it
[14:46] <shadeslayer> I most certainly think that we shouldn't remove it since that's alot of people are now conditioned to do, and we do not have an alternative to it
[14:48] <Riddell> vHanda: and there's no ready-to-go way this gets run, distros need to add one themselves?
[14:48] <apachelogger> the alternative is sudo apt-get install hplip
[14:48] <vHanda> Riddell: well, I could add it as part of auto-run, but it's a one time thing. A post-install call might be simpler?
[14:49] <Riddell> vHanda: package post-installs are run as root, this presumably needs to be run by each user
[14:49] <apachelogger> vHanda: autostart desktop file + kconfig thingy
[14:50] <Quintasan> \o
[14:50] <rdieter> vHanda: or maybe just kconf_update (those are one-time)
[14:50] <apachelogger> vHanda: see kaddressbookmigrator for example
[14:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you disable the blue-shell/finder baloo build now? I guess it's not needed and it's failing
[14:53] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: tomorrow
[14:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: or as you spanish say, mañana :)
[14:56] <vHanda> Riddell: when are you moving to Barcelona?
[14:56] <Riddell> vHanda: end of June, got a spare bed for me?
[14:56] <vHanda> yes
[14:56] <Riddell> lovely
[14:56] <vHanda> I do actually have a sofa which can become a bed
[14:56] <vHanda> you're welcome to use it
[15:01] <shadeslayer> I might as well go and sleep
[15:01] <shadeslayer> since all of this stuff will take forever to compile
[15:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: qt?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Qt, artikulate, kdepim-runtime
[15:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: doing kdepim-runtime for 4.12.80 ?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: remember to update https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas
[15:02] <Riddell> there's four of us working on 4.12.80 now
[15:03]  * Quintasan will try to help in the evening.
[15:13] <sgclark> Riddell: baloo-widgtes ready, had to fix copyright file
[15:13] <sgclark> baloo-widgets rather
[15:15] <Riddell> sgclark: super thanks
[15:18] <sgclark> Riddell: kdepim is red, I have some experience building that so I am going to give a try at it.
[15:18] <Riddell> sgclark: cool, it might block on kdepim-runtime though (which shadeslayer is doing) I'm not sure
[15:18] <Riddell> sgclark: do mark it on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim-runtime uploaded
[15:19] <yofel> kdepim is just missing files so far, so should build fine
[15:25] <Quintasan> Did anyone try touching the optional deps on kstars?
[15:25] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'm looking at it now
[15:25] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's made by the same guy as indi and has a similarly crap build system
[15:26] <Quintasan> -_-
[15:26] <Quintasan> Christ.
[15:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: I've no idea if the package can or should be split up
[15:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: You mean kstars itself or the dependencies?
[15:27] <Riddell> Quintasan: the new dependency astrometry.net
[15:27] <Quintasan> Okay.
[15:28] <yofel> if we're already at astronomy stuff, marble gained a libastro1 - since when did marble do stuff outside of earth o.O?
[15:28] <Riddell> whee
[15:29] <Quintasan> yofel: Can we walk on Mars now?
[15:29] <yofel> not sure, but while reading the git log trying to figure out a description I found stuff like "Tested for Earth, the Moon and Mars"
[15:30] <Quintasan> Wow.
[15:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: This Makefile in astrometry.net - just wow.
[15:30] <yofel>     Formerly we just got sunshading for earth and an approximation for the
[15:30] <yofel>     moon. No we got phases for all planets and moons in the solar system!
[15:30] <Quintasan> yofel: lol
[15:31] <yofel> I need to try marble after it builds ^^
[15:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: make report.txt
[15:31] <Quintasan> Brilliant.
[15:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: these astronomers really have something against using build systems
[15:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz review artikulate
[15:36] <shadeslayer> I'm slightly concerned about the so's in -dev
[15:36] <shadeslayer> because they're not symlinks
[15:37] <yofel> that sounds... wrong
[15:38] <Quintasan> +1
[15:38] <Riddell> astrometry.net uploaded to ninjas, review that if you want to see wrong :)
[15:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got any cards
[15:43] <shadeslayer> which are not shitty
[15:44] <shadeslayer> I don't want to do shitty cards
[15:45] <yofel> go figure out why I see a hibernate button :P
[15:45] <shadeslayer> oooh, got any logs to go with that
[15:45] <yofel> if you tell me what you want...
[15:46] <shadeslayer> I'm waiting for debuild -S -sd to complete on Qt4
[15:46] <yofel> so far the only way to reproduce it is: leave the system running for a while
[15:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: so it only happens after the system has been running for a bit?
[15:47] <yofel> if I start fresh, it's not there. If I suspend and wake up, it's not there. If I leave it running for a day or two suspending a few times during that, it's there
[15:48] <yofel> upower still says I can't hibernate, so it's not that but rather logind, or whatever controls dbus
[15:48] <shadeslayer> your computer has been possesed, please take it to a exorcist immediately
[15:48] <yofel> that'll be 2 notebook to fix for him then :P
[15:48] <yofel> *notebooks
[15:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate
[15:49] <yofel> o.O
[15:49] <yofel> $ qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate
[15:49] <yofel> challenge
[15:49] <shadeslayer> wait what
[15:49] <shadeslayer> challenge?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> what?
[15:49] <yofel> well, yes...?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> that's the output?
[15:50] <yofel> yes, and I'm not even trying to make fun of you...
[15:50] <yofel> want a screenshot?
[15:51] <shadeslayer> I ... have never seen such an output
[15:51] <yofel> dito -.-
[15:51] <shadeslayer> I repeat, your system is possesed
[15:52] <yofel> well, ubuntu-logind is possessed
[15:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe poke pitti
[15:53] <shadeslayer> he mentioned something about Hibernate being disabled on Ubuntu
[15:53] <yofel> tanglu says the same thing though, so it's logind
[15:53] <shadeslayer> oh huh
[15:53] <yofel> well, we have a pk config file that disables it, but even that's ignored by logind
[15:53] <yofel> lets see what challenge is supposed to mean though
[15:53] <shadeslayer> trying to find documentation for that
[15:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind/
[15:57] <shadeslayer> ah hm
[15:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go do shitty cards plz
[15:58] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:59] <shadeslayer> too tired
[15:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: review our new website
[16:00] <Peace-> Riddell: :D question do you know this ? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/12/plasma-desktopcP2517.png  maybe you can help me , where can i find the source code of it ?
[16:01] <Riddell> Peace-: of the file open dialogue?
[16:03] <Peace-> Riddell: yep
[16:04] <Peace-> Riddell: on the plasma channel they said this   kdelibs
[16:06] <Riddell> xnox: ok if I upload ubiquity?
[16:06] <Riddell> Peace-: they'd be right, it is part of kdelibs
[16:07] <Peace-> Riddell: thank you very much :D
[16:07] <xnox> Riddell: sure, go ahead.
[16:08] <Riddell> Peace-: kfiledialog.h in kio/kfile in kdelibs 4
[16:42] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage qxorm
[16:42] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newpackage'
[16:42] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage qxorm 1.2.6
[16:43] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1291478
[16:46] <Riddell> needed for plasma-media-centre if anyone wants some packaging ↑
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: debdiff attached to bug for Saucy
[17:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: will you upload it or do you want me to?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I can't
[17:04] <shadeslayer> not elite enough
[17:04] <Riddell> surely not!
[17:04] <shadeslayer> or well, atleast I don't think I can upload it
[17:05] <shadeslayer> maybe I can
[17:05] <Riddell> dunno, I need to run off now however
[17:05]  * Riddell runs off
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yay, I can upload
[17:31] <xnox> Riddell: *someone* *cough* me
[17:35] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1289600] Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 (by Alexey Borzenkov)
[18:24] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1291526] could not start ksmserver with nvidia-prime at next login @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1291526 (by solazs)
[19:34] <ahoneybun> howdy
[19:36] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you doing?
[19:36] <ahoneybun> lordievader, ok messed up my hand a bit but that was my own stupid nature lol
[19:36] <ahoneybun> you??
[19:42] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Messed up your hand?  How are the translations coming along?
[19:45] <ahoneybun> I believe we have about 5-6 langs (including eng) but last time I saw they did not should up in khelpcenter
[19:47] <lordievader> I don't know khelpcenter, but doesn't it look at the sys locale?
[19:47] <ahoneybun> I change the locale
[19:47] <ahoneybun> but nothing
[19:48] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Then I don't know.
[19:48] <ahoneybun> yea need to get that working
[19:50]  * ahoneybun installing danish to test khelpcenter again
[19:53] <ahoneybun> testing in danish it kinda works
[19:56] <ahoneybun> khelpcenter looks in the wrong location for danish
[20:53] <windows_> hi
[21:05] <soee> hmm 4.12.80 almost ready  :)
[21:10] <windows_> I hope that we can have on youtube site option like   near list of videos just option easy OPEN IN NEW WINDOW or  OPEN HERE
[21:10] <windows_> xd
[21:11] <windows_> and to get option on plasma option to freee ram on apps that are caching  FEE UP RAM
[21:11] <windows_> XD
[21:15] <windows_> also on right side of file manager it will be nice to get main options like in trash folder to    DELETE FILES , EMPTY TRASH or RESTORE FILE
[21:15] <windows_> ;)
[21:17] <windows_> also if is possible to get option before user login or with it option to choese driver for graphic          SELECT DRIVER TO LOAD so it will never user get stucked ;)
[22:16] <Riddell> Mirv: meh I missed the qt sesson today, what's the gossip?
[22:46] <A3D_Damir> kubuntu can make pannel for adds and marketing compannies so when they want to make adds it will be on desktop with option for users to choese branch , section and to remove or show up MARKETING PANNEL
[22:50] <A3D_Damir> kubuntu should have how to  section for users  and most common problems like BLUR  newbeeeeee will throw it when that happen to HIM
[23:02] <Riddell> sgclark: how did you get on with kdepim?
[23:22] <Riddell> vHanda: is dolphin ported to baloo? it doesn't seem to share ratings with gwenview and the Find function still has a big nepomuk icon
[23:22] <vHanda> yes it has been
[23:22] <vHanda> are you sure the ratings aren't being shared?
[23:23] <vHanda> we haven't changed the nepomuk icon
[23:23] <Riddell> vHanda: yep, all separate
[23:23] <Riddell> tags not shared either
[23:24] <Riddell> both version 4.12.80
[23:26] <Riddell> hmm dolphin doesn't link against any baloo library but does link against nepomuk libraries
[23:27]  * Riddell installs ~ppa2
[23:28] <Riddell> vHanda: ah hah, sorry, I had an old build installed
[23:28] <Riddell> new one all good
[23:33] <sgclark> Riddell: lots of changes to install files, new one pops up each build, still working on it
[23:36] <Riddell> sgclark: you know you can build it locally then run
[23:36] <Riddell> dh_install --list-missing
[23:36] <Riddell> to list all the new files
[23:36] <Riddell> ?
[23:37] <sgclark> Riddell: no I did not :( I will do that, thanks!
[23:38] <sgclark> Riddell: is there a trick to finding remved files fast?
[23:38] <Riddell> sgclark: and  debuild -nc  will restart the whole build without clearing it all
[23:39] <Riddell> sgclark: not so slick,  dh_install --list-missing  will moan about missing files but you have to run it once for each file that's disappeared
[23:39] <Riddell> but better than running the whole build
[23:39] <sgclark> Riddell: yes thank you, I have been ruunning whole build all day so taking forever, this should speed it up
[23:40] <Riddell> sgclark: gosh sorry thought you knew that
[23:40] <sgclark> Riddell: no worries, I am still learning.
[23:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's qt SRUs doing?


[18:17] <blackboxsw> rharper: just pushed followup on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/114 with doc updates and renamed ds config option to ``apply_network_config`` which aligns with both openstack and azure config option for getting stuff from imds
[18:17] <blackboxsw> s/stuff/network config/
[18:18] <blackboxsw> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DyvY7vjFyN/ is the successful network config for multi-nics + secondary-ips
[18:18] <blackboxsw> sorry multi-nic only, will add secondary ips to that too (and some ipv6) for a more full success route test
[18:53] <rharper> blackboxsw: ok
[19:42] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: blackboxsw: powersj: Just pushed up my revisions to the code review doc: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/160/
[19:42] <rharper> k
[19:43] <blackboxsw> sweet Odd_Bloke will grab that next. wrapping up two other cloud-init pr reviews
[19:43] <blackboxsw> rharper: anything else in progress you are working related to initramfs ? https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/238
[19:43] <blackboxsw> or is that branch ready for review
[19:43] <rharper> what's 238 ?
[19:44] <rharper> sorry
[19:44] <rharper> heads down in reviewing your 114
[19:44] <rharper> the initramfs.netplan one needs review from xnox/vorlon before we move forward
[19:44] <blackboxsw> np just wondering if you are expecting more work on your #238 (I'll not review it until I get through OddBloke's 160)
[19:44] <blackboxsw> ok thanks rharper
[19:45] <rharper> blackboxsw: ok, finished review 114
[19:59] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, approved
[20:00] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[20:01] <blackboxsw> onto 160 now. closed out https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/75
[20:02] <blackboxsw> updated FFe bug with secondary nic & secondary ip address context https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1866930
[20:28] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: approved with nits https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/160#pullrequestreview-374601125
[20:28] <blackboxsw> if you want the nits take 'em otherwise merge at will
[20:36] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Well, I'm going to want to ping community folks for feedback, just giving core folks a head start. :)
[20:37] <powersj> blackboxsw, did you get another review on ec2 branch?
[20:37] <blackboxsw> powersj: rharper: said he's heads down on it
[20:37] <blackboxsw> right now
[20:37] <rharper> blackboxsw: I finished up 30 minutes ago .. .did you push up again ?
[20:37] <rharper> I left like 20 comments
[20:38] <blackboxsw> powersj: rharper I also validated upgrade path + reboot doesn't rewrite network config with multiple nics if former net config only had eth0 rendered.
[20:38] <blackboxsw> rharper: no didn't see what reviewing OddBloke's but done there.
[20:38] <blackboxsw> will address comments
[20:38] <powersj> rharper, thanks
[20:38] <rharper> np
[21:19] <blackboxsw> rharper: so primary interface discovery on ec2 is really related to find_fallback_nic_on_linux() not truly what ec2 mentioned as device-number: 0 https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/114/files#r392430307
[21:21] <blackboxsw> as in, there is nothing currently in ec2 net config that truly checks device-number. but I guess you were saying we should document this correlation
[21:24] <blackboxsw> ultimately rharper do you think the route-metric should be set to 100 * nic_metadata['device-number'] +1 and we could drop the nic_idx counter variable?
[21:24] <rharper> blackboxsw: I would be shocked if those don't align
[21:24] <blackboxsw> rharper: I'm almost positive they align, but the code itself doesn't *do* that is what I was raising
[21:24] <blackboxsw> but maybe it should :)
[21:25] <rharper> I feel like it should too, but I'm somewhat worried...
[21:25] <rharper> let me reread the ec2 docs
[21:30] <rharper> blackboxsw: it says, device-index number corresponds to eth<number>   ;   I wonder if that matches 'ifindex' value
[21:31] <blackboxsw> rharper: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:31] <blackboxsw> has 2 nics
[21:32] <rharper> hrm, I wonder why they're called ethX instead of en (predictable names)
[21:32] <rharper> no, ifindex does not relate
[21:33] <rharper> that's xen, I wonder what nitro ones look like
[21:34] <rharper> blackboxsw: well, maybe we can do work on device-id later then
[21:34] <rharper> I'd rather be sure than change it now
[21:35] <blackboxsw> rharper: +1
[21:35] <blackboxsw> waiting on that.
[21:36] <blackboxsw> rharper: clarification for you  https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/114/files#r392493895
[21:36] <blackboxsw> if we are doing primary nic, it can have secondary addrs so we still need the apply_network_config check before adding secondary ips
[21:37] <blackboxsw> sound ok? (that's current behavior of cloud-init everywhere anyway) primary nic, no secondary ips
[21:39] <blackboxsw> ahh interesting. and I think I have something to fix then
[21:39] <blackboxsw> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/114/files#r392419963
[21:39] <blackboxsw> ok I saw our unittest which showed rendered v2 routes that were not under the specific address.
[21:40] <rharper> routes are per interface in v2
[21:41] <rharper> there is no top-level routes in v2
[21:41] <rharper> that will not validate via netplan generate
[21:42] <rharper> blackboxsw: on apply_network_config;  if False, primary gets dhcp4 only, no secondary ; and dhcp6 instead of dhcp4 if ipv6s is non-empty, Yes?  do we do dual-stack v4 + v6 (dhcp4/dhcp6) as well (and all of this is with apply_network_config: False)
[21:42] <rharper> if apply_network_config=True ;; then all of the things everywhere
[21:44] <blackboxsw> 1.  on apply_network_config;  if False, primary gets dhcp4 only, no secondary ; YES
[21:44] <blackboxsw> 2.  and dhcp6 instead of dhcp4 if ipv6s is non-empty, Yes?       No. it gets both dhcp4 and dhcp6
[21:45] <blackboxsw> we bring up dhcp4 always on primary because it is needed anyway to talk to the imds
[21:45] <blackboxsw> so we know it works because we couldn't have getting IMDS networkconfig otherwise
[21:46] <blackboxsw> 3. do we do dual stack ipv4/v6 when apply_network_config == false : YES
[21:46] <blackboxsw> just no secondary ips in that case (or secondary nics)
[21:47] <blackboxsw> rharper: ^ sorry forgot to address me response
[21:47] <blackboxsw> *my8
[21:47] <rharper> ok, on False, agreed, forgot about v4 for imds
[21:50] <blackboxsw> just pushed all I have. scrubbing rharper's review comments to make sure I addressed them all
[21:51] <blackboxsw> ahh right subnet route ordering is wonky https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/114/files#r392419963
[22:03] <rharper> blackboxsw: one more suggestion
[22:04] <rharper> in convert, I  think if we separate out the logic into two parts,  apply_network_config==False (this is the primary nic dhcp4 + optionally v6, no additional ips) ; and then apply_network_config==True, and this just configures *all* the nics with all features per metadata
[22:05] <rharper> it's easier to see the path that older relases will take, and only the apply_network_config==True path will loop over all interfaces and enable all of the things.
[22:06] <blackboxsw> ahh rharper no prob. that makes sense and simplifies the for loop for all
[22:08] <blackboxsw> adding now
[22:29] <blackboxsw> rharper: just pushed that separation of logic
[22:29] <blackboxsw> 1f35018da2abd253561da82bdc7f577eb1058cb2
[22:29] <blackboxsw> I know we're running out of daylight
[22:29] <blackboxsw> :/


[11:27] <thejoecarroll> is there any way to search all the past commits/diffs of a repo for a particlular string?
[11:31] <jelmer> thejoecarroll: see the bzr-search plugin
[11:31] <thejoecarroll> nothing like "git grep" built in?
[11:33] <jelmer> thejoecarroll: there is bzr-grep as well
[11:33] <thejoecarroll> but as a plugin
[11:33] <jelmer> thejoecarroll: later versions of bzr include the "bzr grep" command
[11:33] <jelmer> the 2.6 betas do
[11:34] <thejoecarroll> i have 2.1.4 on this particular server, haven't installed any plugins. just using it in conjunction with etckeeper
[11:35] <jelmer> thejoecarroll: in that case, you can install the bzr-grep plugin for the "bzr grep" command
[11:35] <jelmer> https://launchpad.net/bzr-grep
[11:35] <jelmer> there are packages around as well
[11:35] <thejoecarroll> thanks. is there a quick, easy way to add the plugin at the CLI?
[11:36] <jelmer> mkdir -p ~/.bazaar/plugins; bzr branch lp:bzr-grep ~/.bazaar/plugins/grep
[11:41] <thejoecarroll> cheers!
[15:44] <felipec> I'm trying to check if a tag is in a branch
[15:44] <felipec> but revision_id_to_revno is too slow
[16:08] <felipec> ah, lock_ead()
[16:08] <felipec> read
[16:41] <jelmer> hey mgz
[16:41] <jelmer> mgz: Yep, settling well - moved in my new place on Monday. And the weather has actually improved!
[16:42] <mgz> just when you thought snow was what the uk was about...


[15:13] <astraljava> Hello folks, has anybody else stumbled into ca-certificates-java problems on lucid?
[15:13] <astraljava> I cannot get it installed, despite searching through all the relevant bugs on LP and trying out the work-arounds.
[15:15] <astraljava> Here's the relevant bits of dpkg output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/605241/
[15:43] <astraljava> Nevermind, realized I had done some custom configurations on ca-certificates.conf, which I practically thought would get purged when purging ca-certificates package.
[16:10] <astraljava> Ahh... well, another question: Should there be an initial keystore under $JAVA_HOME/lib/security/cacerts when ca-certificates-java is installed?
[17:05] <astraljava> Again, nevermind, there was a missing jre in between.