[05:12] <elcu> EddieX: just ask your question.  at the very least, i could help google :)
[05:12] <herjan> elcu,what and where i must typ it?
[05:12] <tsume_> Jimmothy-: debian uses old/outdated(they call it stable) software
[05:12] <sig> Jimmothy: you can safely use ubuntu as a server
[05:12] <elcu> herjan: type what?  the dpkg command?
[05:12] <Quinn_Storm> I'm running debian sid on my server & kubuntu on my desktop
[05:12] <tsume_> Jimmothy-: I need software with people which cares about updated software and not using kernel 2.2 for 2 years straight
[05:13] <tsume_> maybe its just best I use ubuntu then.
[05:13] <tsume_> hmmm
[05:13] <herjan> elcu,yes
[05:13] <elcu> herjan: in a terminal.  applications -> system tools -> terminal
[05:13] <tsume_> I like freebsd lots, but wish to see how linux acts under pressure
[05:13] <elcu> herjan: you need to change to the directory that has the deb file.
[05:13] <^vir^> debian releases are slow where as ubuntu push the latest & greatest every 6 months isn't it
[05:14] <Quinn_Storm> tsume_: freebsd is nice (had troubles with hardware support myself & don't like recompiling stuff myself all that much) but I far prefer debian-based linux distros in general...as I said, kubuntu desktop & debian sid server...haven't had trouble so far
[05:15] <^vir^> tsume_,  macromedia made coldfusion server run on nix so should be pretty good
[05:15] <tsume_> Quinn_Storm: I'm a security horror :) I do favor security
[05:15] <EddieX> elcu, Ok, well when i open a sourcefile i get a "green" line in the text, cant move it or anything.
[05:15] <tsume_> Quinn_Storm: I guess I could apply se patches
[05:15] <EddieX> elcu, It is vertical
[05:15] <^vir^> Quinn_Storm,  don't you find kde crashes alot
[05:15] <elcu> EddieX: screenshot?
[05:15] <EddieX> ok w8
[05:16] <tsume_> ^vir^: CF is _evil_
[05:16] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: nope
[05:16] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: haven't had kde crash at all really, now matrox drivers sometimes crash on openGL stuff but thats a driver thing not a kde thing, and it would happen under gnome too
[05:16] <^vir^> cf is getting better i'm just about to teach myself
[05:16] <tsume_> ^vir^: i'm sorry for you
[05:17] <^vir^> tsume_,  the fastest web server zeus runs on linux
[05:18] <EddieX> elcu, http://skurt.mine.nu/web/eddie/anjuta.png should do it
[05:18] <tsume_> ^vir^: and yet the most popular is Apache ;)
[05:18] <^vir^> amd use suse enterprise 9 i think
[05:18] <elcu> EddieX: yeah, something seems wrong with my xchat
[05:18] <elcu> thanks
[05:18] <EddieX> :)
[05:18] <tsume_> ^vir^: where there are more users, there is better support
[05:18] <EddieX> I must say that anjuta is very nice :) Im used to a simple editor + terminal but this is great hehe
[05:18] <^vir^> apache isn't as popular as zeus in the corporate world
[05:19] <Quinn_Storm> yep I'd call that a green line
[05:19] <elcu> EddieX: ok.  that is weird.
[05:19] <^vir^> thats true but rhel will make drivers if you can't find one
[05:19] <tsume_> ^vir^: I'm not talking about the corps which have morons behind the IT department :)
[05:19] <EddieX> elcu, Yep it is very weird, it occured when i changed the color on the double quoted strings in setup
[05:20] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: you say kde crashes a lot, what is the most recent version you've seen do this?
[05:20] <elcu> EddieX: Settings->preferences->Editor->Column at edge indicator = 0
[05:20] <EddieX> ok will check that
[05:20] <elcu> =) told you i was good at googling: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=7092&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=200308
[05:21] <liable> holy shit
[05:21] <^vir^> well Quinn_Storm  i installed ubuntu & then used apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  so probaly the most recent
[05:21] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: ok, what caused the kde crash & how long ago was it?
[05:22] <EddieX> elcu, That did it :) Thanks!
[05:22] <elcu> EddieX: you are lucky though, google only returned that one result.
[05:22] <^vir^> about a week ago & it was konquor crashing it
[05:22] <elcu> =) np
[05:22] <tsume_> what they call "enterprise" is trash. Any OS, any distro, any product is just as qualified to be Enterprise material
[05:22] <EddieX> elcu, :) Hehe im lucky
[05:22] <elcu> EddieX: you should buy a lottery ticket.
[05:23] <tsume_> its all about support, which usually every product has.
[05:23] <^vir^> tsume_,  isn't netbsd more secure than freebsd?
[05:23] <Raskall> liable: as soon as I installed and started cpufreqd it seems it got a lot better. the temp won't go over 70 now and was never under 75 earlier.
[05:23] <EddieX> elcu, Hmm nah, my head is fucked up today, i would not be able to do that ;)
[05:23] <EddieX> ^vir^, It is up to you :)
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: ok, konqueror crashed all of kde? like took the whole X server down? or just like konqueror? and what were you looking at? if you installed the open-source flash plugin (as opposed to the macromedia one) it is well known that almost any flash movie will crash it...
[05:23] <tsume_> ^vir^: they share the same codebase, the main difference is the threading, package management, and a few tools. Also the firewalls(they are the same, but they modify each to what they want)
[05:23] <elcu> EddieX: happy programming
[05:24] <EddieX> elcu, Will do
[05:24] <tsume_> ^vir^: scheduling in FreeBSD is trash right now
[05:24] <liable> Raskall: cat /proc/cpuinfo   will tell you your currnet speed
[05:24] <tsume_> ^vir^: the SCHED_ULE isnt finished, so its slow.. :(
[05:24] <EddieX> elcu, Hehe, im new to these IDE stuff, when i have alot of files it is handy i guess :)
[05:24] <tsume_> which is another reason why I don't want freebsd on the server
[05:24] <Raskall> liable: I know. its only 1.2GHz. But rather a stable system at 1.2GHz than an unstable at 2.
[05:24] <herjan> hello why i can't install with dpkg==
[05:25] <liable> Raskall: 70 is still too hot
[05:25] <^vir^> Quinn_Storm,  it was konqueror that crashed not kde itself
[05:25] <Mr_T> Raskall, how do you use cpufreqd?
[05:25] <Strog> tsume_: The codebase was mostly the same a decade ago. A lot has changed since then. ;-)
[05:25] <EddieX> elcu, Are you familiar with SDL ?
[05:25] <tsume_> the freebsd 5.x series is "stable" but its _definitely_ not ready for production
[05:25] <^vir^> tsume_, you seem to love unix :)
[05:25] <elcu> EddieX: er, what does it stand for?
[05:25] <tsume_> Strog: yes, much has changed, but they are still arguing over silly things
[05:25] <liable> Raskall: desktop? would check for fan fluff
[05:25] <Anlar> if frisbee just had hardware support too..
[05:25] <Raskall> Mr_T: I apt-geted it, set proc-sped on ac to low and started it.
[05:25] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: ok, if konq crashed, you may have been using something like that flashplugin...I can see konqueror crashing sometimes under those conditions...
[05:25] <tsume_> ^vir^: I bleed digicode! :)
[05:25] <EddieX> elcu, Simple Direct media layer or something :)
[05:25] <Hannes_> uhm
[05:26] <Raskall> liable: the temp is dropping. down to 61 now, actually.
[05:26] <herjan> i wanna install but he said to install you must be a admin what i can do
[05:26] <elcu> EddieX: heh, obviously not. =)
[05:26] <Mr_T> my laptop runs at about 41 usually
[05:26] <liable> Raskall: never go over about 40 here
[05:26] <Raskall> liable: 70 was while running vmware with heavy disk activity. that alwasy got the cpu over 90 before.
[05:26] <^vir^> tsume_,  what do think of sun letting people install solaris 10 for free?
[05:26] <EddieX> elcu, ok :) OpenGL is fun, very fun to test your knowledge of linear algebra etc :)
[05:26] <Quinn_Storm> SDL is a good way to go for stuff like input & events & then you use OGL on top of it (I have a friend who's obsessed with get-rich-quick through game programming)
[05:26] <tsume_> Strog: the bsd teams don't even look like they are trying to be friendly with one another
[05:26] <Raskall> liable: but I bet you don't have a pentium 4 in you laptop. :)
[05:26] <herjan> hello can somebody help me=
[05:27] <tsume_> ^vir^: they open sourced it, it was the right move(tm)
[05:27] <herjan> with ubuntu
[05:27] <liable> Raskall: granted M
[05:27] <elcu> EddieX: yeah, i'm finding it a little tough though.
[05:27] <pegazus> Need help with ftp server please
[05:27] <Raskall> liable: yup. the temp issue is why they stopped using p4's in laptops.
[05:27] <tsume_> ^vir^: now if Sun would GPL thier java vm
[05:27] <liable> Raskall: I bet your battery doesnt last as long as mine :)
[05:27] <EddieX> elcu, Have you checked out nehe's tuturials?
[05:27] <Raskall> liable: I get a good hour out of it.. :)
[05:27] <elcu> EddieX: web resource?
[05:28] <herjan> elcu, you say that i must typ dpkg ` file` but he said you must be a admin to install what can i do=
[05:28] <EddieX> nehe.gamedev.net i think
[05:28] <liable> Raskall: hah ppfffffffft
[05:28] <ruukia> those nehe tutorials ate a lot of my time :)
[05:28] <tsume_> Strog: when did you get in liking ubuntu strange one?
[05:29] <^vir^> tsume_, java is what is holding the company together jsp offers the best support for xml which is leading the way for web dev stuff
[05:29] <Raskall> liable: hehe.. I know. But I got it for free, so I'll live with it until my business starts taking off. (going to sell ubuntu servers with configured firewall, spam-/virus-filtering mailserver, samba and webserver to small companies.
[05:29] <ringmauer> Ive just installed some libs with the command  sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev libgtkmm-2.4-dev libglademm-2.4-dev zlib1g-dev libbz2-dev g++-3.4 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libgtkmm-2.4-1 libglademm-2.4-1 scons              now i want to remove them, what shold i write?
[05:29] <Strog> tsume_: Checking it out. Linux and BSD each has its uses and it's good to have both around. :)
[05:29] <tsume_> ^vir^: I really doubt java has the best xml
[05:29] <elcu> EddieX: thanks i'll check it out. this viewports and aspect ratio is confusing me :)
[05:29] <tsume_> ^vir^: libxml2 is the best out there ;)
[05:29] <EddieX> ringmauer, for the libgtk stuff you could write apt-get remove --purge libgtk2*
[05:29] <Absenth> Morning all
[05:30] <tsume_> Strog: yes it is. Especially for vmware5 ;)
[05:30] <EddieX> elcu, :) I love his tuturials
[05:30] <^vir^> herjan,  sudo dpkg
[05:30] <universal> delete in synaptic
[05:30] <pegazus> Need help with ftp server please
[05:30] <ruukia> is anyone other than me having a problem where ubuntu hoary hangs on restart ?
[05:30] <elcu> herjan: do "sudo dpkg -i <filename>".  the sudo stands for superuser do.  you need to have your root user password handy.
[05:30] <tsume_> Strog: download 5 and install win2k(best supported :/ )
[05:30] <tsume_> Strog: the features are nice :)
[05:30] <Absenth> Hey, I don't suppose anyone knows of a 3 dimentional window manager for linux
[05:30] <Quinn_Storm> elcu: not the root, the user pw
[05:30] <XplOzIon> ruukia, nope, maybe theres a problem in ur xorg.config
[05:30] <ruukia> hmm
[05:31] <ruukia> i haven't touched it myself..
[05:31] <tsume_> Strog: I've always liked the way deb systems are packaged, but hated debian for the _OLD_ software
[05:31] <tsume_> Strog: Nero for Linux as well btw ;)
[05:31] <XplOzIon> Absenth, windows manager? you mean like the future of fedora 4?
[05:31] <pegazus> Need help with ftp server please
[05:31] <XplOzIon> ruukia, where does it hangs?
[05:32] <eqlb03> hi try to installs vmware but it complains i dont have the command "my"...which package has that please
[05:32] <ruukia> well when I go are you sure you want to logoff --> restart the computer ... it kills some processes then just a black screen follows
[05:32] <Raskall> liable: you wouldn't have a good pointer to how I can set up other power saving things, such as spinning down disks, dimming display and stuff?
[05:33] <^vir^> pegazus, use pure-ftpd wheh you go to install a ftpd cos wu-ftpd is badly bug ridden thats the server they were running when redmond get hacked & the w2k source code made it onto the net
[05:33] <liable> Raskall: whats the lappie?
[05:33] <decon> 3d desktop :P (?)
[05:33] <Raskall> liable: ibm thinkpad a31/p
[05:33] <^vir^> tsume_, whats your fave desktop envionment would you say?
[05:33] <Raskall> hey.. temp under 60 degrees.. thats a first. :)
[05:33] <tsume_> ^vir^: gnome
[05:33] <liable> Raskall: oohh, lucky, I have a thinkpad warming my bollocks now :)
[05:34] <tsume_> ^vir^: its light compared to kde, and more stable
[05:34] <pegazus> vir it is with no-ip 2 my server is on but i think that my router is blocking it
[05:34] <tsume_> unfortunately
[05:34] <XplOzIon> hmm, let me seting my apache to server a video of a desktop manager (or however its called) that is full 3D
[05:34] <liable> Raskall: apt-get install laptop-mode-tools     to start with
[05:34] <curry_> menu-editor not works File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xdg/Menu.py", line 768, in __mergeFile    raise ParsingError('Not a valid .menu file', file)
[05:34] <curry_> xdg.Exceptions.ParsingError: ParsingError in file '/etc/xdg/menus/debian-menu.menu', Not a valid .menu file someone a idea
[05:34] <gbhat> hi ppl
[05:34] <tsume_> KDE looks nice :( it likes breaking
[05:34] <Raskall> liable: I love thinkpads. I wanted one of the t23-computers when I quit my job, but got this one instead. They didn't have any t-models available.
[05:34] <tsume_> artsd is a joke.. thats one main reason. I don't care how many times they rewrite it
[05:34] <gbhat> tsume_, tried the latest KDe3.4 with shadows and translucencyt\?
[05:35] <Raskall> liable: that's done.
[05:35] <tsume_> gbhat: yes, wasn't exciting
[05:35] <liable> Raskall: how old is that, cant say ive heard of a31
[05:35] <gbhat> tsume_, try using GNOME with that :d
[05:35] <decon> can someone please tell me how bchunk works :S? I just want to convert a .cue file to a iso file :)?
[05:35] <^vir^> kde is nice due to qt & seems to run faster
[05:35] <ruukia> :( guess there is no solution to my hangs-on-restart problem ...
[05:35] <gbhat> crash burn hang
[05:35] <Raskall> liable: guess it's >2 years old. at least.
[05:35] <liable> Raskall: does it show in your acpi logs when you unplug ac
[05:35] <gbhat> ruukia, where does it hang?
[05:35] <XplOzIon> ruukia well when I go are you sure you want to logoff --> restart the computer ... it kills some processes then just a black screen follows
[05:36] <green_earz> pegazus; have you portforward from the router to the ftp server port ?
[05:36] <eqlb03> what ever happened to windows nt they use to have for unix :)
[05:36] <XplOzIon> gbhat, there
[05:36] <XplOzIon> :)
[05:36] <ruukia> :)
[05:36] <gbhat> :)
[05:36] <gbhat> hee hee
[05:36] <^vir^> couldn't pegazus  try nmap?
[05:36] <gbhat> see? there it hanged now.
[05:36] <Raskall> liable: yes. it runs /etc/acpi/power.sh when unplugging.
[05:36] <green_earz> pegazus; is the router nat/firewall ?
[05:37] <superted> i've installed windows after ubuntu, how can I install grub on the mbr again_
[05:37] <gbhat> is acpi a kernel problem or do vendots have faulty implementations of it?
[05:37] <pegazus> green...I have spoken to Linksys tech...he help me with that but no can do it does not work
[05:37] <gbhat> vendors*
[05:37] <liable> Raskall: well, it should start laptop mode when you unplug, whats the script say
[05:37] <^vir^> pegazus, can you connect to the ftp localy?
[05:38] <pegazus> green... yes firewall
[05:38] <eqlb03> have problems with a router like what happens the dns things keeps locking or something?
[05:38] <pegazus> vir,,, yes tith the ip of the computer
[05:38] <Florob> Does anybody know how you can connect remotely to a ubuntu machines's X server? (just doesn't work for me, it even complains when I locally set DISPLAY=localhost:0.0)
[05:38] <pegazus> with
[05:38] <Raskall> liable: it starts laptop-mode.
[05:38] <green_earz> pegazus: so have a look for the option of port forwarding on the router
[05:38] <elcu> superted: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[05:39] <Raskall> liable: an stops it when I plug the power in again.
[05:39] <pegazus> green... yes
[05:39] <elcu> superted: or just http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[05:39] <superted> elcu: thanks
[05:40] <liable> Raskall: does your disk spin down? I had to add 'noatime' to my fstab otherwise klogd would keep it going
[05:40] <Raskall> liable: nope.. it doesn't spin disks down at all.
[05:41] <Raskall> liable: do I have to add noatime at all the partitions on the disk in fstab?
[05:41] <liable> Raskall: go to the sourceforge site theres a script you can run to check it, or download the ibm-acpi source and its in the readme
[05:41] <curry_> gnome menu-editor dont start on a system upgradet from warthy to hoary, on another machine with a new hoary installation it works? someone a idea?
[05:41] <Raskall> liable: what project on sf.net?
[05:42] <liable> Raskall: even though hdd prolly use fuck all power anyway
[05:42] <Valentin-> how do I execute startup.sh of tomcat?
[05:42] <liable> Raskall: ibm-acpi
[05:42] <Raskall> liable: ok.. thanks..
[05:42] <green_earz> pegazus: and have you got that port i thinks its port 21 pointed to your ftp server, and its best if you can have the ftp server on a static ip
[05:43] <XplOzIon> 3D Desktop here (or however you call this) http://<IP_ADDRESS>/WobblyWindows.avi Looks pretty awsome
[05:43] <liable> Raskall: your graphics card may be able to be set into powersave too, but you need xorg I think and havent played with it
[05:43] <eqlb03> so what package has the "my" command?
[05:44] <Raskall> liable: running hoary. that has xorg by default
[05:44] <Tomcat_> eqlb03: dpkg -S `whereis my`
[05:44] <liable> Raskall: running debian, it doesnt
[05:44] <pegazus> green: port 21 is pointed and static ip to - to <IP_ADDRESS> so it can reache all
[05:44] <XplOzIon> what your opinion about the desktop?? anyone
[05:45] <Raskall> liable: I know. xorg was one of the reasons I "upgraded" from sarge to ubuntu.
[05:45] <XplOzIon> oh yeah my upstreams is slow so... be patien =P
[05:45] <eqlb03> tomcat: command not found :(
[05:45] <green_earz> pegazus: can you ftp locally to the server ? from another box on your local net work ?
[05:45] <Raskall> liable: the ibm_acpi module is actually loaded.
[05:46] <valarmorgh> i'm trying to compile ckermit (package doesnt have SSL capabilities), but i get error ncurses.h file not found ... any ideas? :)
[05:46] <Tomcat_> eqlb03: dpkg, whereis or my?
[05:46] <pegazus> yes if i type in <IP_ADDRESS> but not if i type in pegazus.no-ip.com
[05:46] <liable> Raskall: yep, but there is some info in the source tarball you dont get in the kernel docs
[05:46] <herrie-aab> hello. can somebody help me? i have some file and the name is craft what must i type to install it?
[05:46] <liable> Raskall: the readme
[05:46] <gahan> where do i get xorgsetup/
[05:46] <eqlb03> tomcat: opps i meant the my command
[05:47] <herrie-aab> hello. can somebody help me? i have some file and the name is craft what must i type to install it?
[05:47] <Tomcat_> eqlb03: Oh... I thought you had it installed. No idea what package has that command.
[05:47] <eqlb03> tomcat: no problem..
[05:47] <blademike> cool! at last im in!
[05:47] <ruukia> I need help ... ubuntu isn't restarting properly on my laptop .. screen goes blank and the machine is left running :(
[05:47] <valarmorgh> apt-get just says that package ncurses is notavailable, but other packages refer to it so its probably missing
[05:47] <elcu> herrie-aab: what does "file craft" say when you type it in a terminal?
[05:48] <eqlb03> ruukia: tyy changing the resolution by doing alt+crtl+ - or +
[05:48] <XplOzIon> did anyone saw http://<IP_ADDRESS>/WobblyWindows.avi ??
[05:49] <Hannes_> hmm
[05:49] <ruukia> eqlb03: ok i'll try it but my resolution is fine at 1024X768 ..
[05:49] <blademike> hi guys, does the single ubuntu installation cd provides pppoe dialer? is it dsl-ready? im using a dsl modem, not a router
[05:49] <sig> XplOzIon: what is it?
[05:49] <eqlb03> ruukia: wierd then i guess ..maybe that wont work..
[05:49] <sig> blademike: should be, are you using gnome?
[05:49] <Raskall> liable: ok.. Will dig into it.. thanks for your help. :)
[05:50] <ruukia> eqlb03: ya .. alt+ctrl++- not working for me
[05:50] <XplOzIon> sig, some desktop manager or however you call it (like gnome) made by sun
[05:50] <liable> Raskall: actually, looking through my ibm-acpi source folder, me thinks i'm wrong and may have been in the laptop-mode source from sourceforge
[05:50] <sig> system > administration > networking blademike
[05:50] <blademike> sig, mandrake,gnome,kde.i'm having problem to set up dsl
[05:50] <sig> blade I'm talking in gnome
[05:50] <sig> system --> administration --> networking
[05:51] <njan> blademike, what sort of DSL modem do you have?
[05:51] <XplOzIon> sig, seen it already?
[05:51] <eqlb03> man when is the back ports going to be up offically :)
[05:51] <Hannes_> how do I change sound output in totem-xine
[05:51] <sig> XplOzIon: that is kind of cool
[05:51] <blademike> aztech DSL 305E
[05:51] <njan> blademike, USB?
[05:51] <Hannes_> as it outputs the sound to the wrong sound card
[05:52] <blademike> nope ethernet
[05:52] <sig> blademike: follow my instructions
[05:52] <AceMan> can somebody tell me what is backports?
[05:52] <Hannes_> gnome sounds are working just fine
[05:52] <blademike> sig. im not on my mandrake now. sorry
[05:52] <njan> blademike, in which case, shouldn't the modem do PPPoE for you?
[05:52] <Kartagis> does anyone have any idea why either rhythmbox or dc++ doesn't add directories recursively?
[05:52] <XplOzIon> AceMan, backports: repositories mirror
[05:52] <sig> this isn't #mandrake blademike
[05:52] <AceMan> thx. what does it contain?
[05:52] <pegazus> green : wath do think is the probleme
[05:52] <liable> Raskall: am confused as I have used the source and kernel options for both and my beer soaked brain cant remember where it was, but there is a script that will tell you what is using your hdd, and im sure you fix it with 'noatime' option
[05:52] <XplOzIon> AceMan, packages
[05:53] <njan> blademike, you should just have to configure it via a web interface.. the network interface you plug your computer in should be OS/configuration-neutral, you most likely acquire a private IP address off it..
[05:53] <blademike> sig, sorry im new to this server. found it out from ubuntu's site! sorry
[05:53] <blademike> njan, can i pm you?
[05:53] <sig> blademike: here on freenode there is basically a channel for each distro and app
[05:53] <njan> http://www.aztech.com/DSL-305E.htm <= blademike, yup, it's definitely OS-neutral
[05:53] <sig> like #gnome, #kde, #debian etc....
[05:54] <AceMan> sorry, i meant what kind? how is different to the other repos?
[05:54] <njan> blademike, if it's configured so it worked for you in windows, it will work in linux, you just need to plug your machine into it via crossover / via a switch / with a network card that supports MDI/X, and enable DHCP
[05:54] <njan> blademike, I have an ADSL router with an identical (conexant) chipset..
[05:54] <blademike> sig, okay, thans
[05:54] <blademike> *thanks
[05:54] <njan> blademike, sure, pm me if you want ;)
[05:55] <decon> anyone knows how to use bchunk ?!?!
[05:55] <mishof> is there a way to change the console's font ?
[05:56] <sig> mishof: yes
[05:56] <elcu> miscz: edit -> current profile
[05:56] <elcu> *mishof
[05:57] <liable> sig: very comprehensive answer :)
[05:57] <sig> liable: heh
[05:57] <mishof> oops i didnt notice there is a font menu there :P
[05:57] <green_earz> pegazus: have a look at  http://www.no-ip.com/tips.php/id/3 > look at  > Setting up the update client
[05:58] <pegazus> green: I will look at that ty
[05:59] <gahan> multimedia keyboard is supported?
[05:59] <gahan> i got nice buttons
[05:59] <green_earz> pegazus: thats where the problem is i bet. and i prefer proftpd as a ftp server
[05:59] <elcu> gahan: somewhat
[05:59] <herrie-aab> eclu, i have tried it but he said he can't find the archive what can i do?
[05:59] <gahan> elcu: how?
[06:00] <gbhat> I hate Totem
[06:00] <elcu> gahan: i can't seem to get some of my buttons to work
[06:00] <gbhat> how the heck do I get rid of it in Ubuntu?
[06:00] <elcu> herrie-aab: what did "file craft" return?
[06:00] <gahan> elcu: can you volume up/down, next/prev track, stop/play, run webrowser?
[06:00] <herrie-aab> the file's name is craft
[06:00] <Amaranth> my multimedia keyboard doesn't work
[06:01] <Amaranth> mute types a v
[06:01] <elcu> gahan: yes, but you have to select the media player first before using the buttons.
[06:01] <gahan> elcu: how do i get any to work?
[06:01] <mishof> HAHA i made my console green on black, now im a true hax0r!!!!! >8)
[06:01] <gahan> elcu: kcontrol..or kernel module?
[06:01] <Choubaka> mishof: gah :D
[06:01] <Choubaka> you mean the vga console or just konsole?
[06:01] <elcu> gahan: computer -> desktop prefs ->k/board shortcuts
[06:01] <gbhat> mishof, all you need now is a Matrix screensaver :)
[06:01] <Choubaka> or whatever. :)
[06:02] <mirak> hi
[06:02] <gbhat> hi Amaranth
[06:02] <herrie-aab> but witch command i can use .. elcu??
[06:02] <gahan> elcu: i aint got computer on desktop (how to activate dekstop icons btw?)
[06:02] <mirak> is there voip pc to pc applications in gnome ?
[06:02] <elcu> herrie-aab: open a terminal, change to the directory the file is in, and type in: file craft
[06:02] <nishin> mirak, gnome-meeting?
[06:03] <gbhat> will gnome-meeting do voip/
[06:03] <elcu> gahan: i meant the menu on the top of the screen
[06:03] <mirak> nishin: I am trying it, I wanted to know if that's the best
[06:03] <elcu> gahan: but im using warty so it may be different for you.  just look for keyboard shortcuts.
[06:03] <mirak> nishin: it crashed
[06:03] <nishin> I wouldn't know. It's only h323 :/
[06:04] <gbhat> mirak, tried skype?
[06:05] <gahan> elcu: and where is volume up down, next/prev track there? :>
[06:06] <nishin> anyone know when the next unstable is coming up?
[06:07] <xMaximex> I want to remove the games installed with ubuntu .. but synaptic tells me that he will remove ubuntu-desktop... is it safe to remove this package ?
[06:07] <eqlb03> wierd...found the problem i guess ... i have to run perl then the perl script not sh ...hmm
[06:07] <elcu> gahan: one sec
[06:08] <whiteknight> xMaximex, i don't think ubuntu-desktop does anything
[06:08] <elcu> gahan: http://img167.echo.cx/img167/6442/screenshot7zw.png
[06:08] <herrie-aab> hello i wanna install a file named freebirth.. witch commando i can use? to install it? it's a deb file
[06:09] <elcu> herrie-aab: use synaptic.  it's easier
[06:09] <herrie-aab> yes but when i use it... he gives a error
[06:09] <elcu> which is?
[06:09] <gahan> elcu: nice, thx
[06:10] <xMaximex> ok ... you're not sure ?&
[06:10] <sikor_sxe> is there a firefox 1.0.3 ubuntu package yet?
[06:10] <sikor_sxe> hoary
[06:10] <Ben2004uk> does anyone have an example of a large routing table - not just 1 pc > router - sometthing more complex as i need it for my course reivison
[06:10] <sikor_sxe> or do i miss a repository?
[06:10] <whiteknight> xMaximex, It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system
[06:10] <whiteknight> packages are not desired.  However, it is recommended that you keep
[06:10] <whiteknight> it installed, because it is used to carry out certain upgrade
[06:10] <whiteknight> transitions (such as adding new packages to the system).
[06:11] <whiteknight> xMaximex, thats what synaptic says
[06:11] <elcu> xMaximex: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:PLmPrVxEUNsJ:www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D21120%26goto%3Dnextnewest+%22remove+ubuntu-desktop%22&hl=en
[06:12] <herrie-aab> elcu, line one is to long in the selectionfile
[06:12] <mainer> sikor:no,but debian has it
[06:12] <mirak> gbhat: nope
[06:13] <elcu> herrie-aab: hoary or warty?
[06:13] <herrie-aab> what? my english is not so good elcu
[06:14] <redduck666> i am using ubuntu live cd, how can i change my keyboard layout?
[06:15] <elcu> :) what version of ubuntu are you running?  warty warthog (4.10), or hoary hedgehog (5.04)?
[06:15] <k4rl> redduck: try system->preferences->keyboard
[06:15] <gbhat> anyone here has breezy badger installed?
[06:15] <blueyed> gbhat, me.
[06:15] <raydogg> what utility should I use to partition a disk ?
[06:15] <herrie-aab> elcu, where i can see it?
[06:16] <blueyed> raydogg, there is gparted - haven't tried it though.
[06:16] <nickrud> raydogg, cfdisk is is good tool
[06:16] <redduck666> karljp, thanks
[06:17] <raydogg> thx blueyed, nickrud
[06:18] <gahan> elcu: was that screenshot from kde?
[06:18] <karljp> hmm, in keyboard shortcuts, it says press backspace to clear something, but backspace jsut moves back up level
[06:18] <karljp> and delete doesn't work either.
[06:18] <elcu> gahan: gnome
[06:18] <gahan> elcu: i found keyboard shortcut but no sound related options there
[06:18] <gahan> aha
[06:19] <karljp> gahan: yes there is?
[06:19] <karljp> I have sound stuff there.
[06:19] <elcu> gahan: scroll down. :)
[06:19] <gahan> hmmmmmm
[06:20] <manou_> olivier_mu mala cosa ejecutar tu maquina como root
[06:20] <gahan> karljp: i dont have
[06:20] <manou_> alguien me puede decir que nucleo o sistema lleva al ubuntu para que reconozca todo tan guay!!! tengo una sarge y quiero poner un super nucleo como el de ubuntu
[06:20] <herrie-aab> elco.2.9.3
[06:21] <karljp> gahan: what top level commands do yo uhave?
[06:21] <gahan> navigation windows
[06:21] <manou_> sorry, that's english !!!
[06:21] <gahan> misc
[06:22] <manou_> i would like to know wich kernel ubuntu has because it's really fine for working with your hw, i want to install the same system in a sarge
[06:22] <karljp> the three top level windows trees I have are desktop, sound and window management
[06:22] <gahan> why can't i bind windowskey itself to show up kmenu
[06:22] <redduck666> manou_, uname -r
[06:22] <karljp> manou: 2.6.10, but it's the config
[06:22] <gahan> karljp: it is inside kcontrol?
[06:22] <karljp> kcontol?
[06:22] <karljp> are you on kubuntu?
[06:22] <gahan> yup
[06:22] <karljp> I've no idea about kubuntu sorry :)
[06:22] <gahan> hehe
[06:22] <manou_> yeah, what's about the config
[06:22] <elcu> herrie-aab: can you make a screenshot of the error, and upload it to: http://www.imageshack.ws/
[06:23] <herrie-aab> elcu, i have version 2.9.3 .
[06:23] <jd99> hey, has any1 tried running mysql 5 with ubuntu (hoary)?
[06:23] <manou_> me ? no, i'm here with a sarge and the system i want to setup a kernel similar to ubuntu it's a pii
[06:23] <mishof> how can i create a ssh server on my computer ?
[06:24] <gahan> is gnome better? :P
[06:24] <manou_> can i get the image from an ubuntu distro and use in other system ?
[06:24] <b2s> mishof: "apt-get install ssh-server" maybe?
[06:24] <manou_> ssh only
[06:24] <manou_> i think
[06:25] <redduck666> gahan, on kde vs gnome i'd choose xfce
[06:25] <gahan> hehe
[06:25] <b2s> redduck666: hehe, me too
[06:25] <Xappe> mishof: apt-get install openssh-server
[06:25] <mishof> Xappe, whats the diff (from ssh-server) ?
[06:25] <gahan> but i like konsole :P
[06:25] <jd99> openssh-server and ssh-server are the same
[06:26] <Zugot> i like kde
[06:26] <elcu> redduck666: does it have keyboard shortcuts?  i *need* them to switch workspaces.
[06:26] <redduck666> gahan, ?? 4 dasktops i tried kde, fluxbox, gnom and xfce have termina
[06:26] <manou_> with ssh i can access to ssh server and my i can access to my system from another machine also... why ssh-server ???
[06:26] <b2s> elcu: is ctl-alt-arrow good enough?
[06:27] <elcu> b2s: i guess. :)
[06:27] <gahan> redduck666: but konsole is best
[06:27] <elcu> gahan: IIRC, you can run konsole, or any KDE apps for that matter, in any WM.
[06:28] <gahan> mm
[06:28] <sikor_sxe> mainer: the debain unstable firefox packages won't work on hoary :(
[06:28] <manou_> i don't know how but lilo ask for me now a password !!!
[06:28] <redduck666> gahan, i am a n00b but how does konsole differ from other terminals?
[06:28] <manou_> i tried root passwd an ddoesn't work !!!
[06:28] <gahan> redduck666: tabs
[06:28] <manou_> what can i do !!!!
[06:28] <gahan> or cards..
[06:29] <Xenguy> manou_: you can stop 'over-puntuating' for one :-)
[06:29] <karljp> sikor_sxe: so why do you want to run the debian unstable firefox on hoary anyway?
[06:29] <redduck666> gahan, ??. gnome's termianl has tabs, probably xfces too
[06:29] <manou_> sorry ?
[06:29] <diod> Hi all
[06:29] <elcu> gahan: gnome-terminal has those.
[06:29] <redduck666> diod, hi
[06:29] <manou_> what do you want to mean? i'm not english spoken
[06:29] <Xenguy> manou_: !!!!
[06:29] <nickrud> sikor_sxe, mainer, ubuntu's firefox already has the important stuff from 1.0.3.
[06:30] <manou_> yeah ! thats me !!! xD
[06:30] <Valentin-> does anyone know why I can't access tomcat over eclipse?
[06:31] <Xenguy> manou_: did you edit/change the file /etc/lilo.conf ?
[06:31] <diod> I have a bizarre problem at the login screen : my keyboard layout is not recognized (us instead of fr) even if it's recognized afterwards
[06:31] <manou_> yes to access to the old kernel
[06:31] <redduck666> diod, which desktop you use?
[06:31] <manou_> maybe there were some passwd protection there, but i didn't know...
[06:32] <Xenguy> manou_: if you edit that file, can you search/find a reference to 'password' at all?
[06:32] <manou_> i can't access to the system now mate !!!
[06:32] <manou_> i dont have any cd
[06:32] <sikor_sxe> nickrud: no, it doesn't: http://www.mikx.de/firelinking/
[06:32] <manou_> and floppy doesn't want to run at started
[06:32] <manou_> i have change bios setup
[06:32] <sikor_sxe> at least the firefox exploit works on my machine
[06:33] <Xenguy> manou_: you need some kind of rescue disk/CD then I would think
[06:33] <manou_> i suposed that ... fuck !!!
[06:33] <herrie-aab> elcu i have hoary what i must do to install something with synaptic?
[06:33] <manou_> i dont live here but it's here my server !!!
[06:33] <Krys^> Can someone help me edit Grub ?? It's not letting me boot properly
[06:33] <nanophase> hi
[06:33] <manou_> shit !!!!
[06:33] <Xenguy> manou_: that's all I have to say; figure it out yourself
[06:33] <Xenguy> *plonk*
[06:33] <nanophase> anyone here with username > 8chars?
[06:33] <redduck666> Krys^, any errors?
[06:33] <nanophase> if so, what does `who` tell you
[06:33] <redduck666> nanophase, hi
[06:34] <nanophase> I only get the 1st 8 chars which is baad
[06:34] <nickrud> hm, since I don't run firefox, this still happens?
[06:34] <Krys^> redduck666, i'm not able to scroll down to click on winxp..
[06:34] <elcu> herrie-aab: (1)you need to do this first: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:34] <nickrud> (epiphany)
[06:34] <Krys^> or a different ubuntu thingy
[06:34] <nickrud> (no chrome!)
[06:34] <usual> anyone using breezy?
[06:34] <Krys^> so I need to make winxp the default for now
[06:35] <diod> redduck666, I use the defautl one (Gnome)
[06:35] <equim--> I just installed ubuntu for the first time... everything seems fine except my screen resolution... it's on 640x480 @ 60hz and I can't seem to change it in system->preferences->screen resolution
[06:35] <redduck666> Krys^, start some text editor as root and open a file /boot/grub/grub.conf
[06:35] <Krys^> that file doesn't exist.. when I did.. it was a new document
[06:35] <blueyed> diod, are you using breezy already? (because of the keyboard mapping error)
[06:35] <RuKK> equim--, you will need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:36] <nanophase> hmm ok the acpi script is wrong in hoary. fuck. let's report it then..
[06:36] <redduck666> diod, click computer --> desktop preferences -->keyboard
[06:36] <elcu> herrie-aab: (2) open synaptic
[06:36] <elcu> herrie-aab: (3) click on search
[06:36] <elcu> herrie-aab: (4) type in "freebirth"
[06:36] <diod> blueyed, I'm using Hoary .. just installed it
[06:36] <elcu> herrie-aab: (5) right-click on it when found and mark it for installation
[06:36] <elcu> (6) click on apply
[06:37] <redduck666> Krys^, is there a file called menu.lst? i think it should be in /boot or /boot/grub?
[06:37] <Krys^> i've got that open, yes
[06:37] <equim--> ok.. I'm vi'ing /etc/X11/xorg.conf.. not sure what to change tho
[06:37] <diod> redduck666, I have french and american english set (with french up) .. shoud I remove the american one ?
[06:37] <RuKK> equim--, look at my PM, easier to help there.
[06:37] <redduck666> Krys^, now simply use copy/paste and swap linux and windows part of file
[06:38] <redduck666> diod, if you don't need it you can remove it
[06:38] <Krys^> there isn't a linux and windows part of file
[06:38] <redduck666> diod, if you need it you can move the one you want as default up
[06:38] <diod> redduck666, why is there no way to chose the kb layout at the login screen ?
[06:39] <blueyed> ok, so no clue, diod. sorry. apart from that you can use "loadkeys" after login.
[06:39] <redduck666> Krys^, you can always create one
[06:39] <Krys^> redduck666, I dont know how
[06:39] <redduck666> diod, what display manager you use?
[06:39] <blueyed> diod, forget about me.. I thought you've meant tty (e.g ctrl-alt-f1).
[06:39] <herrie-aab> how works synaptic? can somebody explain me?
[06:40] <blueyed> diod, you might want to try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" or some similar package.
[06:40] <diod> redduck666, the default one : gdm I think ??
[06:40] <diod> redduck666 and blueyed, the odd thing is, afeter I log in, I have everything ok
[06:41] <elcu> herrie-aab: i just did.
[06:41] <monty38> hello all
[06:41] <elcu> Krys^: dual-boot?
[06:41] <Krys^> yea
[06:42] <elcu> Krys^: or rather, on the same HDD?
[06:42] <blueyed> diod, so it seems there is a default systemwide setting that gets remapped to your setting after login.
[06:42] <monty38> need a lil help
[06:42] <manou_> exit
[06:42] <blueyed> diod, can you try switching to tty1 (ctrl-alt-f1) and try it there before login (in the login field) and after login?
[06:43] <blueyed> monty38, ask..
[06:43] <monty38> got an error code after install      error 23 or 28
[06:43] <blueyed> with grub?
[06:43] <diod> redduck666 and blueyed, sorry, I'm with Warty !!
[06:43] <monty38> default
[06:43] <monty38> i am not in front of pc
[06:43] <blueyed> diod, try it though.
[06:43] <monty38> my wife is in spain trying to install on her pc there
[06:44] <diod> blueyed, no pb with VT 1 !!
[06:44] <blueyed> monty38, so after it boots, before Ubuntu starts? Or after install before it reboots?
[06:44] <redduck666> Krys^, u still here?
[06:44] <monty38> she got the code after install and reboot i am asumeing all is default she is newer than me to linux
[06:44] <blueyed> diod, strange. I'd google for "gdm keymap" or sth. no further ideas.
[06:45] <blueyed> monty38, looks like a problem with grub - the boot loader-
[06:45] <stevenj> Using hoary-I installed nvidia glx and changed nv to nvidia and no logo-everything works it seems (glxgears) however, when I log out I get this strange distorted line at the top of the screen and then it goes away?
[06:45] <monty38> blueyed after install
[06:45] <blueyed> stevenj, I have this too.
[06:45] <blueyed> monty38, before reboot?
[06:46] <stevenj> blueyed, any idea what this is?
[06:46] <projectmayhem> hey everyone
[06:46] <superted> doesn't the warty install and live cd have rescure mode?
[06:46] <projectmayhem> relatively noobish user here wondering what i can do to make my system more secure
[06:47] <monty38> blueyed during reboot
[06:47] <blueyed> no, stevenj. Probably due to the nvidia drivers or X.. dunno. Have you searched if this is in bugzilla?
[06:47] <herrie-aab> hello can somebody explain me to work with synaptic??
[06:47] <redduck666> projectmayhem, run all apps as a $ and not as #
[06:47] <frank__> stevenj, that line doesn't stay there, right? It doesn't really matter
[06:47] <stevenj> blueyed, have been for a while
[06:47] <monty38> sorry taking time to respond but i am on phone ld to spain asking ? of wif
[06:47] <projectmayhem> redduck thx
[06:47] <redduck666> herrie-aab, where do you have troubles?
[06:47] <elcu> projectmayhem: http://ubuntuguide.org/#security
[06:47] <DeeBs> anyone here have any experience with ndiswrapper?
[06:48] <projectmayhem> thanks elcu
[06:48] <stevenj> frank__, just looks like something is wrong...never seen this before
[06:48] <inc> sup channel
[06:48] <redduck666> sup inc
[06:48] <blueyed> monty38, so this is most likely grub. I've experienced error 17 once, which was beacuse it could not access the drive to boot from. I've edited this in the grub menu and it worked. Can't help you anymore.
[06:48] <raydogg> how do i tell apt-get to not look for an ubuntu cd in my cdrom?
[06:48] <tarzeau> elcu: haha paranoid
[06:48] <inc> anyone familiar with apche reverse proxy
[06:48] <frank__> stevenj, the line is just there in the transistion right?
[06:48] <tarzeau> elcu: and what to do to prevent trespassers remove the harddisk?
[06:49] <redduck666> raydogg, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:49] <Xappe> off topic, but cool: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=378953
[06:49] <elcu> tarzeau: eh, i'm not paranoid.  i was just posting a link.
[06:49] <herrie-aab> redduck666, with ubuntu hoary i have one file in  deb format and i wanna install it what i must do?
[06:49] <tarzeau> elcu: true ;)
[06:49] <redduck666> raydogg, debain has apt-setup
[06:49] <tarzeau> elcu: i mean trespassers might have a blessed +3 silversword called Sting
[06:49] <frank__> herrie-aab, sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[06:49] <raydogg> thanks redduck666
[06:50] <raydogg> that worked :-)
[06:50] <stevenj> frank__, rights its actually the second screen after logging out then it hits the GDM
[06:50] <redduck666> raydogg, :)
[06:50] <DeeBs> k nvm re the ndiswrapper, i'll check back if the info on the wiki that i just found doesn't pan out
[06:50] <elcu> tarzeau: see previous post :)
[06:52] <elcu> karsten: missing the blonde?
[06:52] <trystonix> Hi, Can anyone help me, fresh install of Ubuntu Hoary, my sound is not working but the sound card was detected :\
[06:52] <karsten> elcu: Mmmm.
[06:53] <redduck666> trystonix, first thing i would do is sudo alasconf
[06:53] <karsten> Is there a changelog for warty=>hoary w/ packages, and/or a minimum free disk for install recommendation somewhere?
[06:53] <diod> redduck666, I want to have the last release of Firefox, it's not in Warty .. what sould I do ? Upgrade first to Hoary ?
[06:53] <trystonix> it says alasconf not found heh :\
[06:54] <frank__> trystonix, thats alsaconf
[06:54] <Kartagis> try alsaconf
[06:54] <redduck666> trystonix, you use alsa?
[06:54] <trystonix> same thing
[06:54] <trystonix> i need to install it from synaptic then i guess
[06:54] <karsten> Also, could someone confirm a conflict in warty between dosemu and, lordy, something else?  Ran into a file packaging conflict.
[06:54] <frank__> trystonix, its there by default I think
[06:55] <redduck666> diod, in debain you can only place apt-get mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[06:55] <Zatoichi> anyone know where xfterm4 hides it's settings file?
[06:55] <redduck666> Zatoichi, ~./?
[06:55] <GammaRay> Zatoichi: xfterm4 is just a wrapper around xterm
[06:55] <diod> redduck666, so which mirror should I add ?
[06:55] <trystonix> frank_: yep sure is, marked as installed but no alsaconf
[06:55] <redduck666> diod, not sure i'm not familiar with ubuntu
[06:55] <diod> redduck666, ok :)
[06:56] <dockane> is it a good idea to run an apache (unavailabe to outside) locally for bookmarks ?
[06:56] <Zatoichi> are you sure, becuase they look very different?
[06:56] <frank__> trystonix, did you do a sudo alsaconf ?
[06:56] <trystonix> frank_: yes it returns command not found
[06:56] <redduck666> trystonix, apt-get install alsa
[06:56] <herrie-aab> frank_, he said he don't know the option
[06:57] <inc> i got reverse proxy on and http requests go to my server <IP_ADDRESS> and it pulls the page from my other server at <IP_ADDRESS>, but the logs on the .4 machine only show traffic from the .3 machine.. anyone know how to forward the refering ip to the .4 machine?
[06:57] <Zatoichi> I'm having a hard time trying to get fonts to work right in aterm so I want to see waht xterm/xfterm4 is loading
[06:57] <stevenj> anyone know if gnome is installed in just he ubuntu base?
[06:57] <goldfish> stevenj: Don't think so.
[06:57] <benkong2> How is ubuntu doing for a home server?
[06:57] <frank__> trystonix, You need to install the alsa-utils package to get alsaconf
[06:57] <thanatosys> has anyone tried to use 2.4.26 as a kernel for ubuntu
[06:57] <benkong2> mail, ftp,apache etc.
[06:57] <trystonix> frank__: it is marked as installed under synaptic
[06:58] <stevenj> Thinking about reinstalling just the ubuntu base and loading what I want....
[06:58] <diod> stevenj, no
[06:58] <redduck666> thanatosys, why not use 2.6 kernel?
[06:58] <goldfish> benkong2: Supposed to be good.
[06:58] <frank__> herrie-aab, what do you mean exactly?
[06:58] <elcu> heh, one of my favourite songs is by thanatos
[06:59] <benkong2> goldfish; ok I had it prior to warty so I'll try to install again today and see how it goes
[06:59] <stevenj> diod, what would I need to get gnome running after the U base?
[06:59] <templer> excuse me, how can i open a port in the router having dhcp actived??
[06:59] <frank__> trystonix, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211
[06:59] <redduck666> stupid question warty is something like woody? and horay is something like sarge?
[06:59] <trystonix> frank__ ok thanks will check that out
[07:00] <diod> stevenj, sudo apt-get install gnome I think
[07:00] <elcu> redduck666: that's not stupid.
[07:00] <redduck666> elcu, so am i right?
[07:01] <elcu> no idea. :)
[07:01] <frank__> redduck666, no Warty was the ubuntu release 6 months ago so probably something like sarge of six months ago
[07:02] <frank__> redduck666, woody is really old (and really stable)
[07:02] <karsten> elcu: the other thing about the people shot is that if we *must* have the idiot-it-was-old-already-in-1999-high-angle-camera-shot, I want to see _cleavage_.
[07:02] <redduck666> frank__, ubuntu has only warty and horay?
[07:02] <stevenj> diod, I'm just wondering if this is a good way to go (server install) because I end up removing most applications anyway :)
[07:02] <robertj> removing appolications on a sever is for the most part, not worth bothering with
[07:03] <frank__> redduck666, There have been only 2 releases and releases are planned every 6 months
[07:03] <redduck666> frank__, thanks
[07:03] <diod> redduck666, you should pay a visit to ubuntulinux.org .. Ubuntu is like Sid getting released each 6 monhs
[07:03] <frank__> redduck666, yeah I always mix up sid and sarge
[07:04] <elcu> karsten: heh.
[07:04] <diod> stevenj, if you have bandwith, I would recommend going the server installation way
[07:04] <GammaRay> Zatoichi: how I do it is this: Rxvt*font: 9x15 in ~/.xresources
[07:04] <GammaRay> Zatoichi: all the fonts are in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
[07:04] <elcu> karsten: you can get the theme/background with her naked, albeit sans nudity, if that makes sense.
[07:05] <diod> stevenj, but then, you must kow what you really need :)
[07:05] <goldfish> hey dazed
[07:05] <xavier_> lo all
[07:05] <redduck666> xavier_, lo
[07:06] <Zatoichi> GammaRay, can you get anything else to work besides 9x15?
[07:06] <Zatoichi> look at the output of xlsfonts, and try another one
[07:06] <linuxpoet> How do you get ubuntu to see other kernels that are installed? My kernels are listed in the /boot/brub/menu.lst
[07:06] <linuxpoet> and update-grub was run by apt-get
[07:06] <linuxpoet> but
[07:06] <linuxpoet> When I rebooted
[07:06] <elcu> karsten: download the ubuntu-calendar package.  you get her nude desktop and the nipple/cleavage as your login screen.
[07:06] <linuxpoet> I only had the old kernels
[07:07] <elcu> :)
[07:07] <stevenj> diod, I have the Bandwidth, but I am thinking apt will install what I need
[07:07] <LinuxJones> linuxpoet, you installed the linux-image file ? Maybe you accidentaly installed the linux-source ?
[07:07] <linuxpoet> yep it is there
[07:08] <diod> stevenj, once you know wht you need, apt will instll it happily
[07:09] <jaco^> what application looks like babylon?
[07:09] <xavier_> jaco^, what's babylon ? :)
[07:10] <jaco^> babylon translator
[07:11] <xavier_> jaco^, I'd say gnome-dict with good translation dictionnaries
[07:11] <xavier_> gnome-dictionary
[07:11] <xavier_> i hope dict.org has translation dicts
[07:11] <jaco^> mmm, ok , i'll try
[07:12] <xavier_> if not, you can set up a local dictd server with the good dictionnaries
[07:13] <jacobnix> hello
[07:13] <jacobnix> to everyone
[07:13] <jacobnix> here
[07:13] <xavier_> lo jacobnix
[07:14] <jacobnix> someone knows how activate external proyector in ubuntu ppc(ibook g4) in hoary
[07:14] <xavier_> oops, dunno
[07:15] <xavier_> it isn't autodetected on boot ?
[07:15] <jacobnix> no, look let me explain
[07:16] <xavier_> ...
[07:16] <pepsi_> heh
[07:16] <jacobnix> ia have ubuntu hoary and macosx, and then i connect the cable to external proyector , later when choose boot linux
[07:17] <Myrtti> I have a question for you. What Firefox is the latest in Ubuntu repositories?
[07:17] <BurgerMann> 1.0.3?
[07:17] <jacobnix> inmediatly when ubuntu linux ppc hoary  start to boot
[07:17] <mjr> does softsusp work for anyone with amd64?
[07:17] <pepsi_> 1.0.2
[07:17] <Burgundavia> 1.0.2 with the security fixes backported from 1.0.3
[07:17] <BurgerMann> oh, 2 then
[07:17] <Myrtti> Burgundavia: you sure?
[07:17] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, check the change logs
[07:18] <Myrtti> should I uninstall and reinstall my firefox?
[07:18] <jacobnix> the external proyector only display a blank screen
[07:18] <Myrtti> to get it?
[07:18] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, nope
[07:18] <xavier_> jacobnix, okay
[07:18] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, if you have updated, you have the latest version
[07:18] <xavier_> dunno how it works on PPC
[07:18] <nydust> how do i decompress files in rar 3.0 format?
[07:18] <jacobnix> but no, display ubuntu
[07:18] <xavier_> but in x86 it's a sort of "dual head"
[07:18] <jacobnix> no disply gnome
[07:19] <nydust> unrar is not working
[07:19] <Myrtti> I haven't updated since official release of hoary, I get no updates to my synaptic. I'm suspecting my sources.list is b0rked.
[07:19] <Burgundavia> nydust, you need rar-nonfree
[07:19] <xavier_> jacobnix, ??
[07:19] <Myrtti> nydust: you're having the wrong version
[07:19] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, there have been no updates
[07:19] <nydust> BurgerMann, where do i get it?
[07:19] <jacobnix> xavier, yes?
[07:19] <Myrtti> Burgundavia: rilly?
[07:19] <mirak> hi
[07:19] <jacobnix> xavier..yes im here=
[07:19] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, no security updates
[07:19] <mirak> I can't record with my mic
[07:19] <Spitty> hello everyone
[07:19] <xavier_> jacobnix, do you get any output ?
[07:19] <herrie-aab> hello how can i select some package with synaptic??????
[07:19] <Myrtti> I see
[07:19] <mirak> I hear myself amplified
[07:20] <xavier_> jacobnix, at least the console ?
[07:20] <mirak> but that's direct amplification
[07:20] <b2s> Burgundavia: wasn't there a firefox local update of some sort?
[07:20] <xMaximex> does anyone try cedega with battlefield ?? i have a problem right now .. when i select Battlefield 1942 and press Play ..  I have a black screen, the resolution change but the game doesn't start ..  ?
[07:20] <mirak> there is no recording
[07:20] <mirak> I can't record
[07:20] <Burgundavia> b2s, local update?
[07:20] <xMaximex> s/try/tried
[07:20] <b2s> er "locale" update :/
[07:20] <mirak> xMaximex: play on windows
[07:20] <Burgundavia> b2s, hmm, no idea
[07:20] <raydogg> is it possible to reset the root password without rebooting ?
[07:20] <BurgerMann> nydust, get what, firefox?
[07:20] <xMaximex> mirak, ok .. next please ?
[07:20] <goldfish> raydogg: yes
[07:20] <goldfish> no wait
[07:20] <herrie-aab> hello how can i select some package with synaptic??????
[07:20] <goldfish> hmmm
[07:20] <mirak> xMaximex: this works for me
[07:21] <elcu> herrie-aab: i've told you!!!!!!!!!
[07:21] <nickrud> calendar & mozilla-firefox locale, april 12
[07:21] <xMaximex> mirak, for me too but i want to play on linux
[07:21] <jacobnix> xavier: no nothing, only when boot linux and the external proyector displays a blank screen, but no terminal , no dmesg messages
[07:21] <herrie-aab> not to select
[07:21] <mirak> xMaximex: I want to play msy 4
[07:21] <mirak> myst 4
[07:21] <elcu> herrie-aab: yes i did
[07:21] <BurgerMann> herrie-aab, just click and mark a package for installation
[07:21] <xavier_> jacobnix, I'm sorry i can't really help you as I don't know how these ppc work
[07:22] <herrie-aab> yes but i don't see my package.
[07:22] <raydogg> goldfish, It seems to me that you have to have root access to change anything... therefor you would have to reboot and use a boot disk
[07:22] <BurgerMann> herrie-aab, did it bring up a dialog telling you it was installing?
[07:22] <mirak> anyone manage to record from the micro with an sblive ?
[07:22] <xavier_> jacobnix, http://ohno.mrbill.net/pipermail/geeks/2003-December/042511.html
[07:22] <jacobnix> xavier: in ubutu ppc, works the output to external proyectors
[07:22] <jacobnix> =
[07:22] <herrie-aab> no
[07:23] <herrie-aab> please tell me what i must do exactly to install something.. i'm sorry but i wanna know it
[07:23] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, run synaptic
[07:23] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, system-->admin-->synaptic
[07:23] <benkong2> hey all got a new mac g4 and just d/l the livecd ubuntu how do I get it to run or where are some docs to read?
[07:23] <elcu> herrie-aab: i gave you step by step instructions.  scroll up
[07:23] <xavier_> jacobnix, maybe a bios config issue ?
[07:23] <xavier_> jacobnix, try the mirror mode
[07:23] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, then search for it, and riht click and choose install
[07:23] <mirak> benkong2: press C during boot
[07:23] <nickrud> herrie-aab, this is a deb you downloaded from a website ?
[07:23] <benkong2> mirak; thanks
[07:23] <mirak> benkong2: read you mac doc
[07:24] <herrie-aab> yes i have download it from a website
[07:24] <nickrud> dpkg -i package
[07:24] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, what did you download?
[07:24] <Spitty> could someone point me to a FAQ or guide on enabling openGL for compiled programs?  i have all the libs downloaded and everything, but program like vpython and quake2 refuse to compile, claiming that the libs don't exist.  Cedega works, as does UT2004- running hoary and the latest nvidia drivers.
[07:24] <herrie-aab> effectv
[07:24] <jacobnix> xavier: how to set the mirror mode?
[07:24] <xavier_> jacobnix, i guess it's in the openbios
[07:24] <benkong2> mirak; I know rtnm is always a good choice
[07:25] <xavier_> can't help you with this
[07:25] <mirak> n ?
[07:25] <mirak> benkong2: n ?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, it is synaptic, search for it there
[07:25] <xavier_> jacobnix, there are two main modes
[07:26] <xavier_> jacobnix, the mirror mode where the same thing is displayed
[07:26] <nickrud> Spitty, look at what lib was not found, and apt-cache search for it, and load the -dev package.
[07:26] <elcu> herrie-aab: effectv and freebirth ... and probably everything else you have said is available from the repositories using synaptic.  you are just making things harder because dpkg won't install dependencies for you.
[07:26] <xavier_> jacobnix, and the independant mode, but this one can't be handled without manual X configuration
[07:26] <nickrud> rinse, lather, and repeat :)
[07:26] <Spitty> it's reporting that gtkglarea was not found, but i have that lib, and the dev packages installed
[07:26] <nickrud> oh
[07:26] <Spitty> in addition, it's not finding any GL stuff at all
[07:26] <herrie-aab> elcu,they say it's locked
[07:27] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, if you already running synaptic, then you can't install
[07:27] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, search in synaptic for effectv
[07:27] <xavier_> jacobnix, I think #DebianPPC should be better
[07:28] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, and install it from there. It is much much better than downloading it off the website
[07:28] <jacobnix> xavier:ahhhh, because when choose boot into MacOSX, and connect external proyector, in macoxs, the external proyector works very well
[07:28] <jacobnix> xavier: and external proyector display macosx very well
[07:28] <xavier_> jacobnix, but, the same screen, or independant ?
[07:30] <elcu> herrie-aab: you can only open one synaptic session at a time.  make sure you don't have one open already
[07:30] <tojileon> Hi friends
[07:30] <EddieX> elcu, Are you king at opengl now?
[07:30] <jacobnix> xavier: the output in the ibook display ,and in the external proyector display too
[07:31] <elcu> EddieX: in 2 hrs (or however long its been)?
[07:31] <elcu> you must be joking
[07:31] <jacobnix> xavier: same tine
[07:31] <tojileon> No sound in Hoary. It was working fine in Warty. Can anyone help me?
[07:31] <EddieX> elcu, Hehe, you never know
[07:31] <nickrud> tojileon, maybe
[07:32] <elcu> EddieX: how far have you gone with it?  made any games? :)
[07:32] <xavier_> jacobnix, if it's simple mirroring, it should work out of the box
[07:32] <xavier_> sorry guy :/
[07:32] <nickrud> tojileon, what desktop are you running?
[07:32] <EddieX> elcu, Im just playing with it, also make some math stuff
[07:32] <tojileon> gnome
[07:33] <victor> i have the hoary version, with gnome and i can not change the resolution,it has for default 680x480 and i  want  1280x1240, beacuse , everything its to big!....somebdoy could help me?
[07:33] <nickrud> first, run lsof | grep esd, and post the line (checking to see if gnome's sound server is running)
[07:33] <jacobnix> xavier: thanks
[07:33] <elcu> victor: you need to edit your xorg.conf file
[07:33] <jacobnix> xavier: im try DebianPPC
[07:33] <xavier_> jacobnix, good luck
[07:34] <nickrud> tojileon, just the first line!! :)
[07:34] <tojileon> nickrud, gnome-ses 7455       toji  mem       REG        3,1    32472    3403335 /usr/lib /libesd.so.0.2.35
[07:34] <nickrud> tojileon, ok, good.
[07:34] <benkong2> wow this ubuntu on a ppc is kool :-))
[07:34] <elcu> EddieX: math stuff in opengl? what's wrong with you!
[07:35] <nickrud> tojileon, run alsamixer from the command line, and check for any muted outputs
[07:35] <Spitty> so can anyone give me a hand with enabling openGL for compiled programs?  i have the libs i need, but it's just not seeing it... is there a variable i have to set, or a module to load or soemthing?
[07:35] <EddieX> elcu, Hehe, it is nice to visualize (spell?) some stuff in it, other than having it on paper
[07:36] <xavier_> Spitty, have you installed the right module for your card ?
[07:36] <Elsidox> can anyone help me install java on ubuntu? I was using the ubuntu starter guide but it doesnt seem to have the package.
[07:36] <Spitty> yep, i have an nvidia 6800, and i have the nvidia module installed
[07:36] <xavier_> xavier_, what does glxinfo say ?
[07:36] <xavier_> is there direct rendering ?
[07:36] <abbot45> im running the live cd, ive got a 2nd hard drive that had my home directory in mandrake.  the directory isnt showing up in ubuntu so i cant get to those files.  can someone please help?
[07:36] <chase> can i download a CVS version of kpim threw apt??
[07:36] <tojileon> nickrud, everything should be on? what about surround, center etc?
[07:37] <nickrud> tojileon, depends on your sound card.
[07:37] <wdh> does ubuntu use udev by default?
[07:37] <tojileon> nickrud, oops! Then, is it better to ON everything?
[07:37] <xavier_> wdh, yes
[07:37] <mainer> www.java.sun.com
[07:37] <nickrud> tojileon, it won't break anything :)
[07:38] <Spitty> glxinfo pastes a huge output, but it is the nvidia module
[07:38] <xavier_> Splitty : glxinfo | grep direct
[07:38] <victor> elcu: could you explain me how? or just a url to see? please
[07:38] <LaDWhitty> hello i have a problem with installing ubuntu
[07:38] <elcu> EddieX: those tutes you linked to are good, but i think i need more of the basics.  iirc, it goes straight to texturing in lesson 3!
[07:39] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:39] <tojileon> nickrud, ok. everything is ON now
[07:39] <nickrud> any sound
[07:39] <tojileon> nickrud, :(
[07:39] <Spitty> xavier_: direct rendering: Yes
[07:40] <xavier_> Spitty, try glxgears
[07:40] <nickrud> tojileon, what app are you using to test your sound?
[07:40] <knucks> anyone here with an ipod
[07:40] <tojileon> nickrud, xmms
[07:40] <knucks> ?
[07:40] <LaDWhitty> i have an ipod
[07:40] <Spitty> i get fps' in excess of 12,000 with the default window size in glxgears
[07:40] <knucks> LaDWhitty: can u do me a favor?
[07:40] <JaZy84> can someone help me with an error i'm getting when running apt-get upgrade
[07:40] <LaDWhitty> yea
[07:40] <knucks> (that is considering ur ipod works on ubuntu?)
[07:40] <nickrud> tojileon, you need to tell xmms to use esd as it's sound output option
[07:40] <xavier_> Spitty, so, what's the claim ?
[07:40] <tojileon> nickrud, totem exits with 'Resource busy or not available'
[07:40] <LaDWhitty> well, i dont have ubuntu installed
[07:40] <JaZy84> i'm getting this error
[07:41] <JaZy84> Preparing to replace kdelibs-data 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (using .../kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb) ...
[07:41] <Spitty> opengl applications refuse to compile
[07:41] <JaZy84> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[07:41] <JaZy84> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[07:41] <JaZy84>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[07:41] <JaZy84> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:41] <elcu> victor: http://www.pastebin.com/274960  You need to edit your Screen section to something like mine.
[07:41] <JaZy84>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[07:41] <knucks> ...so u dont use ipod on ubuntu?
[07:41] <JaZy84> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:41] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:41] <dr_willis> Spitty,  and what sort of error do they gve when they dont compile?
[07:41] <LaDWhitty> nope, i cant get ubuntu installed
[07:41] <xavier_> Spitty, apt-get install nvidia-glx-dev or something like this
[07:41] <elcu> victor: Make sure your monitor can handle the resolutions you enter though.
[07:41] <JaZy84> never mind
[07:41] <JaZy84> got it
[07:41] <abbot45> im running the live cd, ive got a 2nd hard drive that had my home directory in mandrake.  the directory isnt showing up in ubuntu so i cant get to those files.  can someone please help?
[07:41] <knucks> bah..
[07:41] <goldfish> LaDWhitty: i think there is a guide on the ubuntu website.
[07:41] <knucks> my ipod mounts as readonly..
[07:41] <knucks> i should try it on my winxp
[07:42] <ubuntu> hello
[07:42] <xavier_> Spitty, or search nvidia within synaptic
[07:42] <imaek> How can I tell what version of ubuntu i am running?
[07:42] <LaDWhitty> goldfish: do you know where its located?  i can only find how to make a boot cd
[07:42] <liable> knucks: well mount it rw then
[07:42] <Spitty> willis: checking GL... no checking GL with threads... no checking Mesa... no checking Mesa with pthreads... no configure: error: gtkglarea is required on Unix-like systems
[07:42] <knucks> liable: how
[07:42] <fangorious> can i run memtest from the livecd(x86)?
[07:42] <goldfish> LaDWhitty: emm, i'll have a look.
[07:42] <LaDWhitty> thx
[07:42] <liable> knucks: its fat fs?
[07:42] <knucks> yes
[07:42] <nickrud> tojileon, I'm kinda brain dead this morning :)
[07:42] <Spitty> xavier- i installed the nvidia drivers straight from the site, will downloading the ubuntu versions mess thigns up?
[07:42] <victor> yes it can, resently i install kdm and it works perfectly, but i want to make it work with gdm
[07:42] <nickrud> try this one: lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[07:43] <imaek> How can I tell what version of Ubuntu I am running?
[07:43] <xavier_> Spitty, you don't need them
[07:43] <Burgundavia> imaek, 2 menus or 3?
[07:43] <elcu> imaek: er, look at the CD.
[07:43] <xavier_> Spitty, do you have libgtkglarea-dev installed ?
[07:43] <liable> knucks: mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat -o user,umask=000 /mnt/blah
[07:43] <tojileon> nickrud, Thank
[07:43] <imaek> Burgundavia: Two... menus?
[07:43] <imaek> Where?
[07:43] <nickrud> that work?
[07:44] <tojileon> nickrud, oops! no output!
[07:44] <Burgundavia> imaek, upper left, 2 menus or 3?
[07:44] <imaek> I'm using xfce.
[07:44] <liable> knucks: or whatever devs it is
[07:44] <nickrud> tojileon, try lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[07:44] <Spitty> xavier_ no, i don't... that could be the problem.  is it in apt?
[07:44] <knucks> its connected via firewire...
[07:44] <knucks> but how do i check which dev it is?
[07:44] <xavier_> Spitty, search with synaptic
[07:44] <liable> knucks: whats dmesg say about it
[07:44] <Burgundavia> imaek, in that case 'cat /etc/issue'
[07:44] <xavier_> Spitty, the *-dev packages are needed to compile
[07:44] <Spitty> yeah
[07:44] <wdh> what would be the ubuntu equivalent of adding 'modprobe kqemu' to /etc/rc.d/rc.local on fedora?
[07:45] <imaek> Ah, thanks Burg.
[07:45] <xavier_> Spitty, that's the "developpment" part of the lib ;)
[07:45] <fangorious> can i run memtest from the livecd?
[07:45] <Spitty> right
[07:45] <imaek> Burgundavia**
[07:45] <tojileon> nickrud, lsof |grep /dev/dsp doesnot show anything
[07:45] <wdh> fangorious, yes
[07:45] <Spitty> i know that, i think my problem was it's not in apt
[07:45] <dr_willis> fangorious,  i do belive tehres a boot menu option on the live cd to run that.
[07:45] <mirak> what do I need to a vpn between a linux server and a windows 2000 client ?
[07:45] <Choubaka> wdh: adding kqemu to /etc/modules
[07:45] <Jet2k5> Hello I just changed my repos from ubuntuguide.org, and it's spitting a lot of errors back
[07:45] <nickrud> ok, the sound server isn't running :) duh.
[07:45] <wdh> Choubaka, thx a lot
[07:45] <Jet2k5> like some of those servers don't exist
[07:45] <Choubaka> at least iirc :)
[07:45] <knucks> liable..
[07:45] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:45] <knucks> um
[07:45] <wdh> i'll try :)
[07:45] <nickrud> alt-F2, enter esd
[07:46] <knucks> liable: dev/sda
[07:46] <fangorious> dr_willis, ok, must have missed it.
[07:46] <Spitty> actually, xavier_, i don't think libgtkglarea exists...?
[07:46] <xavier_> gtkglarea5-dev - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget include files and static library
[07:46] <dr_willis> fangorious,  if its not on the live cd. i think its on the install cd.
[07:46] <xavier_> xavier@kawet:~$ apt-cache search gtkglarea
[07:46] <xavier_> gtkglarea5 - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget shared library
[07:46] <xavier_> gtkglarea5-dev - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget include files and static library
[07:46] <Spitty> right, i have those
[07:47] <knucks> liable: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[07:47] <knucks>        missing codepage or other error
[07:47] <knucks>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:47] <knucks>        dmesg | tail  or so
[07:47] <xavier_> Spitty, there should be no prob so
[07:47] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:47] <tojileon> nickrud, still, lsof |grep /dev/dsp is empty and running esd from cmd prompt shows that esd is already running
[07:47] <fangorious> dr_willis, that would be a bummer, having just overwritten my install cd with the live image :(
[07:47] <Spitty> exactly. there shouldn't be, but there is... which is why i came here
[07:48] <liable> knucks: try fat then
[07:48] <wdh> and what would be the ubuntu equivalent of adding the following to /etc/rc.d/rc.local on fedora? # Create the KQEMU device
[07:48] <wdh> mknod /dev/kqemu c 250 0
[07:48] <wdh> chmod 666 /dev/kqemu
[07:48] <liable> knucks: should be sda1
[07:48] <nickrud> ?
[07:48] <liable> knucks: or sda2
[07:49] <megamind> hi there ... i want to have some help about dns server in ubuntoo how do i install it ?
[07:49] <LaDWhitty> can someone help me please?
[07:49] <megamind> please guide me as i m a newbie
[07:49] <knucks> nope still tells me wrong fs type
[07:49] <nickrud> tojileon, try killall esd && esd &
[07:49] <wdh> megamind, apt-cache search dns
[07:49] <megamind> wdh - ok let me try plz ...
[07:49] <wdh> to find a proper package..
[07:49] <LaDWhitty> can someone help me please?
[07:49] <liable> knucks: what is it? a camera
[07:50] <wdh> megamind, and find a nice howto in google
[07:50] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:50] <knucks> liable: ipod
[07:50] <megamind> ok ...
[07:50] <dr_willis> LaDWhitty,  check the forums -->  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18992
[07:51] <karljp> bah, xmms doesn't respond to the next/prev/pause keyboard shortcuts you can set up in gnome's keyboard shortcuts panel
[07:51] <dr_willis> LaDWhitty,  Not that they say much there.. but there may be some better threads. with better/newer info.
[07:51] <goldfish> LaDWhitty: wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=boot%20floppy
[07:51] <fevel> hello
[07:51] <liable> knucks: what mount command did you use
[07:51] <elcu> karljp: yes it does.  it jsut has to be active.
[07:51] <fevel> can anyone help me to route my internet connection to another pc
[07:51] <knucks> liable:  sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat -o user,umask=000 /media/IPOD
[07:52] <fevel> the two computers are linked through a crossover cable
[07:52] <tojileon> nickrud, done. Now ps -aux |grep esd doesn't show anything other than grep
[07:52] <megamind> in result of apt-cache search dns .. it gives a long list .. which one do i choose :(
[07:52] <karljp> elcu: well, if it's active I might as well use the normal keys
[07:52] <elcu> karljp: i know :)
[07:52] <karljp> I want to command it when it's sitting on another workspace
[07:52] <karljp> oh well :)
[07:52] <tojileon> nickrud, sorry *other than esd
[07:52] <LaDWhitty> godlfish:  thanks for the help :-D
[07:53] <nickrud> tojileon, wierd :)
[07:53] <elcu> karljp: tried beep-music-player?
[07:53] <karljp> linux hasn't gotten a tickbox in the network properties to say, "share" yet?
[07:53] <karljp> elcu: no, haven't really looked at other ones at all.
[07:53] <megamind> please some one will refer me a dns server ... for ubuntoo
[07:53] <elcu> karljp: might be worth a shot if you're that desperate.
[07:54] <elcu> i've seen it recommended as an xmms alternative
[07:54] <nickrud> tojileon, do ls /dev/dsp
[07:54] <liable> knucks: does it have a switch for writing? dunno anything about ipods
[07:54] <karljp> elcu: cool, might have to have a look, I think I should really get back to doing eithe rjob applications or housecleaning though for right now... :)
[07:54] <knucks> liable: no
[07:55] <elcu> karljp: i was going to do homework 3 hrs ago.  *going*
[07:55] <fevel> how do i configure the network to share my connection...i have 2 network devices one connects to the modem (adsl, pppoe) and the other has a crossover cable connecting to another computer with ubuntu installed
[07:55] <elcu> so much for that.
[07:55] <elcu> :)
[07:55] <fevel> anyone please
[07:55] <tojileon> nickrud, yeah, it is there
[07:56] <nickrud> has your sound ever worked in hoary :)
[07:56] <liable> knucks: did you try 'fat' instaed of vfat
[07:56] <AirWays> hm
[07:56] <tojileon> nickrud, Nope. Never. It was working fine on Warty
[07:56] <knucks> mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat'
[07:56] <knucks> mount: maybe you meant 'vfat'?
[07:56] <nickrud> what kind of sound card do you have?
[07:57] <raydogg> goldfish
[07:57] <goldfish> yes
[07:57] <fangorious> dr_willis, well, still can't find it on the boot options for the livecd, guess i'll grab the install image and try that
[07:57] <raydogg> did u ever think if its possible?
[07:57] <tojileon> nickrud, lsmod |grep snd shows snd_via82xx            25248  1...
[07:57] <goldfish> raydogg: what?
[07:57] <liable> knucks: you say ubuntu mounts it read only?
[07:57] <dr_willis> fangorious,  i was thinking ya just typed 'memtest' or hit F1 or F2 to see a big list of options
[07:57] <knucks> ye
[07:58] <raydogg> resetting root password without rebooting
[07:58] <dr_willis> fangorious,  i use soo many live cd's :P im not sure.
[07:58] <goldfish> em
[07:58] <goldfish> hold on
[07:58] <liable> knucks: cat /etc/mtab
[07:58] <thread> h/wn
[07:58] <thread> oopz
[07:58] <Burgundavia> raydogg, what does rebooting have to do with resetting a root password?
[07:58] <karljp> dr_willis: the live cd for ubuntu's online help is actually rather sparse at boot time.
[07:58] <karljp> I was trying to find the great big list of options, and couldn't
[07:59] <cikilin> hello
[07:59] <dr_willis> karljp,  i may be thinking  of the latest Knoppix I downloaded  the other day. :P it has a Plethora of options. :P
[07:59] <karljp> possibly :)
[07:59] <cikilin> is any posibility to transform hoary to warty?
[07:59] <nickrud> tojileon, try relogging in so we get rid of what I've done, and look again :)
[08:00] <dr_willis> Knoppix's live cd overlay feature is... interesting. :P
[08:00] <liable> knucks: ???
[08:00] <mishof_23> is there a way to obtain a new ip address ? ( i remember in winxp it was possible someway )
[08:00] <fangorious> dr_willis, no big deal, i'm getting 540 KB/s downstream so it'll only take 15 minutes to get the install image
[08:00] <cikilin> is any posibility to transform hoary to warty?
[08:00] <goldfish> emmm
[08:00] <Choubaka> cikilin: yes, but very much not easy.
[08:00] <goldfish> Why? :)
[08:01] <liable> mishof_23: your are mistaken_23
[08:01] <Choubaka> clones :o
[08:01] <goldfish> lol
[08:01] <mishof_23> liable, huh?
[08:01] <cikilin> because now is moving very slow
[08:01] <dr_willis> fangorious,  heck - to get the knoppix iso also.  :P
[08:01] <nydust> how do i make i file executeabel?
[08:01] <liable> mishof_23: do you have a static ip?
[08:01] <dr_willis> fangorious,  heh i mean GO get knoppix as well. :P
[08:01] <nydust> how do i make a file executeabel?
[08:02] <mishof_23> liable, nope ..
[08:02] <fangorious> nydust, chmod u+x file
[08:02] <cikilin> choubaka: what do i have to do?
[08:02] <Choubaka> Ehh.
[08:02] <liable> mishof_23: well, then if its dialup, just disconnect and reconnect
[08:02] <Choubaka> cikilin: _loads_ of stuff
[08:02] <Choubaka> I'm not going to start explaining it.
[08:03] <Choubaka> best just reinstall :/
[08:03] <cikilin> k
[08:03] <cikilin> thank you
[08:03] <xavier_> ++ all
[08:03] <tojileon> nickrud, lsof |grep /dev/dsp doesn't show anything and no sound too :(
[08:03] <cikilin> and if i reinstall it will erase my actual?
[08:03] <nickrud> tojileon, ps -ax | grep esd
[08:04] <tojileon> nickrud, 9108 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 18
[08:05] <decon_> can someone please help me with installing steam, hl2, Css :) ?
[08:05] <kisu_> help
[08:05] <nickrud> tojileon, ok we've reached my skill level :)
[08:05] <yonayona> Hello. I just booted from the Ubuntu live CD. It is amazing! Any pointers for someone coming from RedHat 9?
[08:05] <xMaximex> can anyone help me to run battlefield 1942 with Cedega ??? The game is installed but don't start
[08:05] <dr_willis> xMaximex,  ive had very bad luck with Cedega. :(
[08:05] <goldfish> xMaximex: try #cedega
[08:05] <nanomad> decon_, how can I help you?
[08:05] <dr_willis> xMaximex,  the cedega forums are your best bet.
[08:06] <tojileon> nickrud, Thanks for your interest.
[08:06] <nickrud> maybe, do you have the oss modules in lsmod?
[08:06] <nanomad> decon_, take a look at cedega
[08:06] <decon_> nanomad, im super noob to cedega :) just wanna install steam hl2 and css
[08:06] <dr_willis> Lol --> Cannot join #cedega (You are banned).   - and ive never been in there befor.
[08:06] <nanomad> decon_, try #cedega
[08:07] <decon_> ok :)
[08:07] <tojileon> nickrud, yeah, lsmod |grep oss shows some output
[08:07] <nickrud> Sound is important :)
[08:07] <dr_willis> if you can manage to get into #cedega tht is. :(
[08:08] <mishof_23> liable, its not dialup, and i dont want to reconnect and disconect manualy, theres a way
[08:08] <nydust> i used alien to converte a file from rpm to deb but i cant see that the program are installed, where do i see a list over the files the deb has installed?
[08:08] <liable> mishof_23: ok, if you say so
[08:09] <Seveas> nybro43, dpkg -l
[08:09] <tojileon> nickrud, yeah, sound is important. see this: http://tojileon.blogspot.com/2005/04/hoary-is-dumb.html.
[08:09] <dr_willis> nydust,  i often cheat and use 'mc' (file manager) to view the contents of rpm's and other packages.
[08:09] <Seveas> nydust, i meant
[08:09] <liable> mishof_23: proxy
[08:09] <Seveas> argh, and it's dpkg -L package
[08:09] <nickrud> ;(
[08:10] <nydust> aha thanks
[08:10] <djm62> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[08:10] <djm62> tojileon: that link was roughly for you
[08:11] <stego> Which package are the X dev libraries in?
[08:12] <liable> stego: apt-cache search x-dev
[08:12] <stego> thanks liable
[08:12] <XTCboarder> does wine's fake windows partition have to be inside my user's folder?
[08:13] <nickrud> lotta work for sound :)
[08:13] <cikilin> is any command to clean =(go to basics of haory)
[08:14] <dr_willis> XTCboarder,  where else would you want it?
[08:14] <XTCboarder> i use this computer as a 1 user computer
[08:14] <XTCboarder> and having everythign inside my folder makes it kind of confusing
[08:14] <transgress> anyone know if ipods can play oggs?
[08:15] <Sauron21> could anyone tell me why DMA is diabled in ubuntu?
[08:15] <djm62> transgress: I think NOT...try iriver
[08:15] <dr_willis> transgress,  highly UNLIKELY.
[08:15] <XTCboarder> and having stuff far away from / (root) is kinda worky
[08:15] <Sauron21> ....and how I can turn it on?
[08:15] <XTCboarder> si i want it at /home/fakewin
[08:15] <dr_willis> XTCboarder,  running wine as 'root' is kinda wonky. :P
[08:15] <^thehatsrule^> Sauron21, boot settings, add to append DMA
[08:15] <XTCboarder> :p
[08:15] <dr_willis> XTCboarder,  use 'ln -s' and make links all you want.
[08:15] <liable> Sauron21: apt-get install hdparm
[08:15] <^thehatsrule^> or, Sauron21, do hdparm -d1 /dev/hd##
[08:15] <karljp> is there an openoffice channel?
[08:15] <XTCboarder> i meant root as in file system's root
[08:15] <Sauron21> is it safe?
[08:16] <karljp> or does anyone know why I can't click on page preview?
[08:16] <XTCboarder> but does it have to be in my folder
[08:16] <karljp> the file is read only, but still.
[08:16] <djm62> XTCboarder: ln -s /your/wine/directory /home/fakewine
[08:16] <liable> Sauron21: no :)
[08:16] <XTCboarder> cause i installed it already
[08:16] <^thehatsrule^> lol... guess it is :P
[08:16] <Sauron21> ....well......
[08:16] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[08:16] <XTCboarder> it works but photoshop gives me a funky error
[08:16] <XTCboarder> well, no it doesn't work....
[08:17] <XTCboarder> :S
[08:17] <liable> Sauron21: really, be carefull with it
[08:17] <XTCboarder> narf
[08:17] <Sauron21> let me give it a try.....if I suddently diappear.......it didnt work.
[08:17] <liable> Sauron21: google it
[08:17] <djm62> XTCboarder: try the wine forums....
[08:18] <djm62> I've seen photoshop work on wine, though slowly
[08:18] <XTCboarder> when  installed it it worked very good
[08:18] <XTCboarder> (last time i did)
[08:18] <XTCboarder> damn... fuch it... i'll just do it the normal way
[08:19] <^thehatsrule^> can you not just append dma to boot for dma?
[08:20] <djm62> XTCboarder: btw, the ~ character expands to your $HOME, and . is the current directory, if the typing is bothering you
[08:20] <karljp> so anyone know an open office channel anywhere?
[08:20] <djm62> also, ~username expands to $HOME for username
[08:20] <XTCboarder> nee, it's just having some proggy at /home/xtc/.wine/windows/blah/blah/blah/done.exe s0x
[08:21] <karljp> openoffice won't let me edit a read only document, I don't want to save it, but it won't even let me edit it.
[08:21] <djm62> that's a function of windows...bug-for-bug compatible ;) feel free to link to internal directories from your $HOME
[08:21] <Sauron21> well....guys....since I didnt suddently disappear......it worked just fin...:D:D:D:D
[08:22] <Sauron21> *fine
[08:22] <karljp> blah, I have to click on the "edit" button first.
[08:22] <XTCboarder> karljp if you copied it from someother place
[08:22] <XTCboarder> chmod it
[08:23] <djm62> XTCboarder: or add ~/bin to your $PATH (might already be there) and fill it with scripts to start your favourites, or even add icons to your desktop...no typing at all
[08:24] <Jimmothy> hm, at what point does ubuntu set your root password? because it won't accept mine when i type su -
[08:24] <Seveas> Jimmothy, use sudo
[08:24] <djm62> Jimmothy: that's not the way ubuntu does it...sudo with your own passwd
[08:24] <Jimmothy> oh
[08:24] <yfir> Jimmothy: there is no root password. use sudo instead
[08:24] <djm62> you can't _handle_ the root!
[08:25] <Seveas> Jimmothy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:25] <Jimmothy> anyone else wnt to mention sudo?
[08:25] <Jimmothy> sorry, i'm used to fedora :)
[08:25] <yfir> throw us laggers a bone...
[08:25] <Jimmothy> worse part is i reinstalled fedora because i thought i lost my root pass last time i install ubuntu
[08:25] <nickrud> lol
[08:26] <nickrud> no offence meant :)
[08:26] <Jimmothy> how do i search with apt-get for xmms-mp3?
[08:26] <liable> Jimmothy: apt-cache search foo
[08:26] <karljp> apt-cache search xmms
[08:26] <Amplificator>  .   /dec/hdb1   /storage   ext3   defaults   0   2
[08:26] <Amplificator> What is wrong with that line? Regular users can't write
[08:26] <^thehatsrule^> use chmod
[08:27] <djm62> Jimmothy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:27] <liable> Amplificator: add users after default
[08:27] <liable> Amplificator: or read man fstab
[08:27] <djm62> Jimmothy: if you haven't enabled the extra repositories, that's a step-by-step guide
[08:28] <Amplificator> liable, added users and now it shows up in "Computer" but still can't write to it?
[08:29] <liable> Amplificator: you need to umount and mount it again
[08:29] <fluoro> Is it possible to get Mono 1.1.x for Ubuntu?  I only see 1.0.x in Synaptic.
[08:29] <Seveas> fluoro, they're working on it
[08:30] <Seveas> fluoro, you can install the non-deb way though...
[08:30] <fluoro> Cool enough.
[08:30] <fluoro> Thanks.
[08:30] <nickrud> fluoro, half the people you see here will switch to breezy when 1.1.x shows up there :)
[08:30] <fluoro> Oh yeah!
[08:30] <karljp> what's the big plus for 1.1?
[08:30] <karljp> and how many people use mono stuff every day?
[08:31] <Seveas> beagle!
[08:31] <nickrud> tomboy
[08:31] <raydogg> anyone use mdadm ?
[08:31] <tovella> what do you all think gets kids interested in making the switch from playstation to personal computers?
[08:31] <nickrud> today, anyway
[08:31] <fluoro> 1.1 is much, much better than 1.0.
[08:31] <fluoro> And it supports amd64, while 1.0 does not.
[08:31] <djm62> yeah....beagle will get me addicted to using the desktop
[08:31] <fluoro> tovella: Cooler games. =)
[08:31] <djm62> tovella: the web
[08:32] <nickrud> tovella, growing up :D
[08:32] <transgress> irivers are nice, but for the price of 1 gig i can get 4 on an ipod... bleh
[08:32] <tovella> i've acutally thought about using software to allow playstation games to run on linux...
[08:32] <tovella> but i don't never attempted such a feat.
[08:32] <yfir> tovella: configurable hardware, plus they probably need comps anyway (beyond gaming)
[08:32] <goldfish> Anyone here use trannset?
[08:33] <danweh> I just booted Ubuntu 5.04 LiveCD on Apple iBook G3. Nice ;-)
[08:33] <fluoro> tovella: Playstation games suck, though, so it's pointless.
[08:33] <djm62> transgress: I know....really, you can compromise and live with mp3
[08:34] <tovella> it seems that much of today's inner city youths are primarily interested in only three things, though...
[08:34] <tovella> music videos, playstation, and sports.
[08:34] <transgress> djm62: yeah i suppose that would be the wiser of decisions
[08:34] <ironwolf> anybody got nagios working from the archive?
[08:34] <djm62> GTA san andreas ;)
[08:34] <fluoro> People still watch music videos?
[08:34] <transgress> people still watch tv?
[08:34] <fluoro> djm62: I can't wait until that comes out on PC. =)
[08:34] <liable> transgress: i was sure you were gonns say sex, sex, sex
[08:35] <tovella> fluoro: my ex-girlfriend's kids are addicted to hip-hop music and videos.
[08:35] <djm62> transgress: bothers me, cos I've ripped everything to ogg, but I can transcode to mp3 on the fly, or play them on my ipaq as ogg
[08:35] <transgress> liable: wtf?
[08:35] <nickrud> fluoro, I'm almost 50 & still watch mtv occasionally
[08:35] <Danimall> liable, that would be all men
[08:35] <karljp> this is the problem with oggs.
[08:35] <liable> /s/transgress/tovella
[08:35] <fluoro> Inner city youths here in Baltimore are interested in: drugs, sex, and beating each other up.
[08:35] <PenguinBoy> hey guys!
[08:35] <transgress> liable: oh okay
[08:35] <karljp> free is nice sure, but I can't play them on my dvd player, or my car stereo, or my ipod, or my........
[08:35] <djm62> MTV is conservative junk...kids are leaving it
[08:36] <transgress> liable: if it helps my mind is on sex atm ;p
[08:36] <fluoro> I didn't think MTV even showed music videos much anymore.
[08:36] <liable> hmmm, mine isnt :)
[08:36] <djm62> karljp: technically it isn't a problem with oggs, insofar as you couldn't "fix" it
[08:36] <transgress> what really pissed me off about mtv... as if it weren't stupid enough that they had to make mtv2 just to show music videos... then they start showing shows on mtv2
[08:36] <transgress> of course i didn't really like them before all that... but still... that was really asinine
[08:37] <fluoro> I never really liked MTV, even when I was a kid.
[08:37] <transgress> i prefer to download stuff nowadays... i don't even have my tv plugged in
[08:37] <djm62> karljp: if you were looking for problems, the lack of integer-only decoders was a setback, which is now sorted
[08:37] <transgress> it's like i can watch mtv for a few days hoping to see the music video i want... or i can download it and watch it now and as often as i want
[08:38] <fluoro> I thought it was funny that Microsoft is showing off the new Xbox on MTV.  I guess they didn't really want anyone to see it.
[08:38] <tovella> transgress: i think the whole pod-casting thing is great for spoken word or music, but is there such a thing for tv shows?
[08:39] <Jimmothy> -ah i'm good. it was an output thing with beep media player that was the problem. and thanks for clearing up my wonder for su -.
[08:39] <nickrud> I watch mtv because every now and then I need to buy an album I've never heard of.
[08:39] <karljp> djm: I'll be quite happy with oggs eventually, but I realyl really dislike transcoding
[08:39] <tovella> it would be great to be able to watch sesame-street whenever i want.
[08:39] <karljp> but I'm glad to hear about an integer only decoder
[08:39] <mello> there really isn't any good music on mtv
[08:39] <karljp> that is very goodnews.
[08:39] <mello> mtv2 maybe
[08:39] <nickrud> all the same to me
[08:39] <karljp> transgress: is the iriver really that much more expensive?
[08:39] <djm62> karljp: the problem isn't with oggs per se....which is true of many free software problems
[08:39] <Jimmothy> though my terminal font is nasty, and for irssi it isn't so pretty.
[08:40] <karljp> a friend of mine got an iriver a while ago, and it was cheaper for the same size than an ipod
[08:40] <fluoro> Does it play Ogg?
[08:40] <karljp> I guess iriver has had a hard time keeping up.
[08:40] <karljp> irivers do yes
[08:40] <djm62> fluoro: yeah
[08:40] <fluoro> Cool.
[08:41] <djm62> although ogg players /really/ ought to be cheaper
[08:41] <karljp> why just ogg players?
[08:41] <Jet2k5> Hello is anyone else having trouble with the ubuntu servers?
[08:41] <Jet2k5> sudo apt-get update is giving a crapload of errors
[08:41] <Seveas> Jet2k5, can you paste the errors somewher please (NOT here)
[08:41] <djm62> since ipods are a monopoly on apple-encoded content, mp3 players need licenses, and ogg players can compete freely on hardware cost
[08:42] <Xenguy> Jet2k5: try substituting a different mirror
[08:42] <Jet2k5> Seveas, mind if I pM you?
[08:42] <Seveas> Jet2k5, no
[08:42] <Jet2k5> well what other mirrors?
[08:42] <Jet2k5> I'm using the ones from ubuntuguide.org
[08:42] <fevel> firestarter said my device eth0 is not ready
[08:42] <karljp> oh, you mean ogg players that don't play anything else.
[08:42] <leek`_-> can someone explain to me how i can update gaim?
[08:42] <fevel> how can that be if im connected
[08:42] <karljp> perhaps, but would you buy one?
[08:42] <karljp> I sure as hell wouldn't
[08:42] <Xenguy> Jet2k5: I'm on debian ATM; I assume alternate mirrors are documented
[08:42] <tovella> one 15 year old told me to be sure to include a typing tutorial, because many kids in poor neighborhoods don't know how to type...
[08:42] <tovella> lessening their desire to use a computer.
[08:42] <tovella> that could be a contributing factor to them wanting to do drugs & beat each other up.
[08:42] <djm62> karljp: true...and I might
[08:43] <karljp> fair enough I guess :)
[08:43] <karljp> it's going to be pretty damn tough to try and unseat mp3,
[08:43] <karljp> windows and apple are trying hard, by pretending that aac and wmv are just like mp3, and hiding it from people, and supporting both,
[08:43] <djm62> well, I'd rather rip to ogg, and I buy high-bitrate mp3s that can cope better with transcoding
[08:43] <Xenguy> tovella: why not do drugs and learn how to type :p
[08:44] <karljp> yeah, I've only ever bought mp3s, even when offered all sorts of choices.
[08:44] <djm62> what other choices are there? aac ;)
[08:44] <Xenguy> karljp: spread the word about OGG; not enough people know yet
[08:44] <karljp> djm: on allofmp3, you can choose ogg, wmv, aac, mp3, and something else iirc
[08:45] <leek`_-> the silly name will hold it back :P
[08:45] <karljp> aac is a "better" name?
[08:45] <tovella> Xenguy: karljp: i personally think ogg is better.  everything i encode now-a-days gets encoded to ogg format.
[08:45] <transgress> eh well i don't buy music online... so i usually download mp3's... but i do buy cd's on occasion and i prefer to rip them to ogg
[08:45] <karljp> tovella: better for you in what way?
[08:45] <Seveas> wma still beats ogg
[08:45] <goldfish> Anyone had any luck playing mp3's in xmms ?
[08:45] <djm62> bit-for-bit it sounds better
[08:45] <karljp> goldfish: wiki for restricted formats
[08:45] <goldfish> I mean .wma's
[08:45] <Raskall> liable: it's much better now. It hardly goes over 54% and estimates almost 2 hours of battery time. :)
[08:46] <karljp> oh.
[08:46] <bassMonkey> goldfish: yes.. =)
[08:46] <djm62> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <transgress> wma... hahaha... that's almost as grand as rm's
[08:46] <Xenguy> tovella: well it's free (as in freedom ;-)  Read that: 'patent-unencumbered'
[08:46] <tovella> transgress: i have the same problem - most of what you can download is in mp3 format.
[08:46] <goldfish> bassMonkey: I installed the xmms-wma plugin from the .deb but it wont work :/
[08:46] <karljp> yeah, bit for bit sound is nice and all,
[08:46] <transgress> yeah it's hard to be picky when you are stealing stuff...
[08:46] <goldfish> bassMonkey: What did you do?
[08:46] <mello> i can't get wmv's to play
[08:46] <transgress> mello: you get the w32codecs?
[08:46] <djm62> I don't have a problem with buying CDs and getting them in the format and bitrate of my choice
[08:46] <karljp> but for me, I don't care about the size so much, unless someone could do anothe rorder of magnitude
[08:46] <tovella> Xenguy: i intend to use a debian based distro for the computers i will set up for kids.
[08:46] <leek`_-> are there any car decks that support ogg? wmv and mp3 are better for me coz my deck plays them
[08:47] <bassMonkey> goldfish: sorry, don't know about wma, I meant mp3:s
[08:47] <karljp> like when we all went from wav and cds to mp3s/oggs
[08:47] <mello> ya
[08:47] <goldfish> ah right
[08:47] <goldfish> :)
[08:47] <Xenguy> tovella: good move (or Ubu, yes?)
[08:47] <leek`_-> wma*
[08:47] <bassMonkey> goldfish: you asked fort that first.. =)
[08:47] <goldfish> hehe, yeah sorry typo :)
[08:47] <Raskall> liable: I meant 54 degrees, not percent.
[08:47] <karljp> hard drive space is cheap, and portability is more important to me, I think ogg is just not a fight I want to try and fight
[08:47] <karljp> I'd rather push in other areas.
[08:47] <transgress> i wonder if there is a hack anywhere for getting oggs on the ipod... there is a hack to get linux on it...
[08:48] <tovella> transgress: there are many independant musicians who are selling there own works online - that's NOT stealing.
[08:48] <Jet2k5> Seveas, lol just one last thing, I get a problem on lsb?
[08:48] <djm62> software patent enforcement is the _only_ area
[08:48] <Jet2k5> Seveas, it's a package that it's not updating, but when I force it , it doesn't install either
[08:48] <Seveas> ah, libpostproc0 perhaps?
[08:48] <tovella> Xenguy: perhaps Ubu...
[08:48] <transgress> tovella: yeah that's true and that's really cool... i like that
[08:48] <Jet2k5> libimlib2
[08:49] <Jet2k5> it says it's a dep of ubuntu desktop
[08:49] <Seveas> Jet2k5, are you using marillat?
[08:49] <djm62> or indeed record companies selling online, with no DRM
[08:49] <karljp> leek: not sure, that was where I was having problems too.
[08:49] <SeamusLP> transgress: A guy managed to get the boot ROM off an ipod through a very creative method ;) let me see if I can find it
[08:49] <Xenguy> tovella: use Ubu or Debian; leave the rest behind (my humble opinion :-)
[08:49] <Jet2k5> Seveas, probably not, because I have no idea what that is
[08:49] <djm62> http://bleep.com/
[08:49] <Seveas> ok :)
[08:49] <karljp> my first cease and desist letter was for hosting some dedrm'd music
[08:49] <Seveas> anyway this error can very well be caused by backport breakages...
[08:49] <karljp> for people that had bought the cd and couldn't rip it for any legal purpose.
[08:50] <Seveas> and i really have no idea how to solve it without more info :
[08:50] <Seveas> :)
[08:50] <Jet2k5> Seveas, no, it emerged way before I decided to add the extra repos
[08:50] <Seveas> ok
[08:50] <Jet2k5> Seveas, hold on let me try the -f option again
[08:50] <leek`_-> can anyone here actually hear a difference between a high quality mp3 and high quality ogg?
[08:50] <tovella> Xenguy: mepis is still a consideration, as all the multimedia plugins are installed "out of the box"
[08:50] <Jet2k5> Seveas, got it :)
[08:50] <Xenguy> karljp: Iceland is cracking down on P2P?
[08:50] <Seveas> :o)
[08:50] <djm62> leek`_-: not at high bitrates
[08:50] <DanglyBits> use /nick 99mTc
[08:50] <Jet2k5> Seveas, seems like I'm really really over looking stuff
[08:51] <leek`_-> djm62: then why care so much?
[08:51] <SeamusLP> everybody go here http://ipodlinux.org/stories/piezo/ it's a piezo-acoustic ipod hack :D
[08:51] <karljp> xen: this was not p2p, it was outright http, via a hosting company
[08:51] <Xenguy> tovella: if it is for poor folks, non-profits, etc., you should seriously consider 'non-commerical' IMHO
[08:51] <Jet2k5> man, my ipod works awesome with ubuntu
[08:51] <djm62> leek`_-: because storage costs money
[08:51] <karljp> and not in .is anyway
[08:51] <Xenguy> tovella: I'll stop now ;-)
[08:51] <Jet2k5> never seen a distro that handles it so damn well
[08:51] <inc> Jet2k5: you can put music on it?
[08:51] <leek`_-> djm62: a few kb wont break anyone
[08:51] <karljp> leek: I'm with you on that one :)
[08:51] <Jet2k5> inc, of course! and lisen to it too!
[08:51] <tovella> after chatting with some people last night, i may re-consider gentoo, though.  i still have a lot more testing to do.
[08:51] <djm62> leek`_-: you mean, a few kb won't break _you_
[08:51] <karljp> you've been turned into a pragmatist by having a car player that doesn't play oggs
[08:51] <universal> gentoo, no!
[08:52] <Jet2k5> inc, on iTunes I can' lisen to songs on my ipod through my computer :\ nor can I copy them back to the hdd
[08:52] <inc> Jet2k5 I can listen no problem but loading musico n it is a different story
[08:52] <Xenguy> karljp: (use nick tab completion?) easier to track than P2P I assume
[08:52] <Seveas> storage cost a lot, there are plans to charge over 3 euros per GB extra here in holland
[08:52] <Jet2k5> inc, Limewire :)
[08:52] <inc> you use iTunes on ubuntu?
[08:52] <leek`_-> djm62: if you cant afford a few more gb for your harddrive, then stay away from computers
[08:52] <Jet2k5> inc, nope :)
[08:52] <karljp> nick completion is the root of all evil, I shall not use it.
[08:52] <leek`_-> djm62: now bandwidth, i could see where that could be an issue
[08:52] <inc> gtkpod?
[08:52] <djm62> leek`_-: not my hard drive...portable storage
[08:53] <Jet2k5> inc, to transfer the songs on to my iPod yes I use gtkpod, but to acquire the songs I download them through limewire
[08:53] <karljp> xen: much much easier to track, especially when russian mp3 search engines start listing it, and your site's bandwidth usage goes up about 3 orders of magnitude over night
[08:53] <djm62> leek`_-: and kindly allow me to decide where to stay away from or not ;)
[08:53] <leek`_-> djm62: but that extra 3kb you saved by making it an ogg wont really help when u get an mp3 player that doesnt play it
[08:53] <Jet2k5> inc, which is a p2p sharing sorta like Kazaa expect without the pop ups and most of all spyware
[08:53] <universal> can u use the Creative mp3-player products on ubuntu?
[08:53] <Jet2k5> inc, exept **
[08:53] <leek`_-> djm62: no problem ;) its not really an argument i care much to put alot of heart into
[08:54] <inc> i got the music .. don't need kazza
[08:54] <transgress> hahaha john the ripper for ipod... for when you have a year to kill to crack the password "cat"
[08:54] <Jet2k5> inc, dammit except ** ( i think )
[08:54] <Jet2k5> lol
[08:54] <tovella> universal: one thing i really like about gentoo is it really doesn't matter if nobody has gotten around to packaging a product yet...
[08:54] <tovella> there's just so much stuff available in source code that's part of the tree.
[08:54] <Anlar> universal: most of the sane mp3 players show up just as usb storage devices and yes.
[08:54] <moj0rising> for some reason, I can not get my camera to sync w/ my laptop. It works fine on my desktop. (both kubuntu). Can anyone help?
[08:54] <Xenguy> karljp: juse nick completion, since I might actually see your comments whilst participating in a dozen channels or so =)
[08:54] <Jet2k5> inc, then what is your problem?
[08:54] <inc> just want something that works on ubuntu for my ipod shuffle
[08:54] <Jet2k5> oh, hmm
[08:54] <Jet2k5> I just have a regular ipod
[08:54] <Jet2k5> not shuffle
[08:54] <universal> Anlar, ok nice
[08:54] <karljp> no, I shall not.  if you're not here, then you're not here.  or get highlighting that works on the important parts of your name
[08:54] <Jet2k5> well a mini actually
[08:54] <liable> tovella: and why do you say this in #ubuntu
[08:54] <transgress> moj0rising: what kind of connection?
[08:54] <djm62> leek`_-: so I can pay the "mp3 tax" of using more storage every time I play a file, or a once-off "iriver fee"...I don't buy hardware very often...this works out in <3 years
[08:54] <Xenguy> karljp: no
[08:55] <karljp> ok. well, I'm not going to either :)
[08:55] <moj0rising> transgress, usb
[08:55] <moj0rising> it is a kodak dx4330
[08:55] <Xenguy> karljp: yet you assert that actually using someone's nick is "evil" -- why then?
[08:55] <leek`_-> can anyone effectively explain to me a way i can upgrade gaim to the latest version?
[08:55] <karljp> because many nicks aren't people's actual nicks,
[08:55] <tovella> liable: i use ubuntu, mepis, puppylinux, damnsmall, & like different things about all of them.
[08:55] <transgress> moj0rising: did you check to make sure the usb is noticed?  and did you check to see that the camera is noticed when it connects?
[08:55] <Jet2k5> leek`_-, umm the source?
[08:55] <Xenguy> karljp: ?
[08:55] <Jet2k5> I think
[08:55] <karljp> nick completion of things like XenGDUE_AKF|Sleeping
[08:55] <djm62> 6 months of which will be spent saving up anyway...not everyone can view hardware as virtually free
[08:55] <karljp> is disgusting and evil
[08:56] <karljp> it's bad enough that people do that to their nicks
[08:56] <Jet2k5> is woody the codename for ubuntus next release?
[08:56] <moj0rising> ah. I'll check USB. The camera does not appear in kde's hardware manager.
[08:56] <karljp> likewise with nicks like [square]
[08:56] <universal> tovella, is see, so u consider to use Gentoo
[08:56] <leek`_-> Jet2k5, hmm hence why im asking... obviously i dont know how
[08:56] <karljp> and ^vir^
[08:56] <universal> ?
[08:56] <liable> tovella: fair nuff
[08:56] <moj0rising> the usb port seems to work..... my memory stick mounts.
[08:56] <Jet2k5> leek`_-, lol me nether, on debian systems there is always an easier way to do them
[08:56] <Jet2k5> or not
[08:56] <tovella> liable: i used to use gentoo, but after a hard drive crash, i need some more disk space to do all the stuff i want.
[08:56] <Xenguy> karljp: I have no idea what you're talking about; furthermore I have never heard anyone object to nick completion before, for *any* reason.  (Perhaps you need to get a different IRC client?)
[08:57] <Seveas> Jet2k5, woody is the current debian stable
[08:57] <karljp> but enough from me, you may now have the last word, (though if you're in lots of channels, then you probably won't even see that this aimed at you, and so it will drift past)
[08:57] <moj0rising> transgress..
[08:57] <Seveas> the next ubuntu will be Breezy Badger (5.10)
[08:57] <moj0rising> oops.
[08:57] <Xenguy> karljp: I'm focusing on you for the moment, but not for long ;-)
[08:57] <moj0rising> actually, I was lying about the memory working. seems it does not either..
[08:57] <moj0rising> so I'm checking usb.
[08:57] <Jet2k5> Seveas, ok after removing the backports I can't seem to download any other apps
[08:57] <Jet2k5> not even java
[08:57] <transgress> heh i ordered a debian shirt last night
[08:57] <Edgan> Seveas: six months away
[08:57] <transgress> can't wait for that to get it
[08:57] <Seveas> Jet2k5, java is not available in ubuntu
[08:57] <transgress> to go with my got root hat.
[08:58] <GammaRay> Seveas: so when is sonic hedgehog coming?
[08:58] <Seveas> you need  other ways to install it :)
[08:58] <Jet2k5> what?!?
[08:58] <karljp> seveas: what?
[08:58] <Jet2k5> yes it is
[08:58] <raydogg> anyone use mdadm to setup linear raid up ?
[08:58] <karljp> maybe not directly from ubuntu
[08:58] <Jet2k5> it's in the ubuntuguide ?
[08:58] <karljp> but I'm using it "right now" iykwim
[08:58] <Jet2k5> yeah, not straight from ubuntu
[08:58] <Jet2k5> but I removed those back ports and I can't seem to download anything
[08:58] <Seveas> Jet2k5, read the JavaHOWTO on ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[08:58] <Jet2k5> which kinda sucks, and I was warned about this from people that were skeptical about ubuntu
[08:58] <transgress> can you do LVM with ubuntu?
[08:58] <Jet2k5> Seveas, guess that would be the way to do it
[08:58] <Seveas> Jet2k5, it is very easy to install java
[08:59] <karljp> transgress: of course!
[08:59] <Seveas> hang on..
[08:59] <raydogg> For some reason, mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows that 2 disks are added and shows correct disk space... but when i mount /dev/md0, ti only shows the size of the first disk
[08:59] <karljp> though I couldn't setup lvm at install time though, which annoyed me.
[08:59] <djm62> backports are a bad idea....especially on something as up-to-date as ubuntu
[08:59] <transgress> karljp: without a world of hurt?
[08:59] <DanglyBits> Is firefox 1.0.3 available for Hoary ?
[08:59] <Seveas> DanglyBits, yes, but it's called 1.0.2
[08:59] <karljp> well, I did it on debian about 4 months ago
[08:59] <moj0rising> transgress, can you tell me a good way to check to see if usb is working?
[08:59] <karljp> so I would damn well expect it to work on ubuntu :)
[08:59] <djm62> I'll feel differently if AOL or MSN break compatibility with gaim, maybe
[08:59] <Seveas> DanglyBits, 1.0.2 on ubuntu includes the 1.0.3 security patches
[09:00] <transgress> karljp: yeah me too... but if they get around to that i may put ubuntu on this box when i get my new hard drive
[09:00] <universal> Anlar, do u use the same itunes program for transferring the music on mp3's as on the ipod?
[09:00] <transgress> moj0rising: check dmesg
[09:00] <transgress> moj0rising: and syslog
[09:00] <moj0rising> k..
[09:00] <DanglyBits> Seveas: why not call it 1.0.3 then?
[09:00] <karljp> transgress: if they get around to llvm at install time?
[09:00] <transgress> karljp: yeah
[09:00] <Seveas> DanglyBits, because it is not 1.0.3 :)
[09:00] <karljp> they actually may, I was setting up dual boot, and the partititon table is very odd
[09:00] <Anlar> universal: no, itunes does not work on linux (at least officially/legally)
[09:00] <karljp> lvm is offered at setup
[09:00] <karljp> just didn't work for me.
[09:00] <karljp> right now, partitiion magic won't even touch my drives
[09:00] <Seveas> DanglyBits, sounds confusing doesn't it :)
[09:00] <karljp> so it probably does work for you on a fresh harddrive at setup quite painlessly :)
[09:01] <djm62> universal: pymusique (and I think running itunes under wine is legal)
[09:01] <DanglyBits> Seveas: hep..so what is 1.0.3 that is posted on mozilla.org?
[09:01] <universal> Anlar, ok, but anyway what kind of mp3-player do u then prefeer buying?
[09:01] <djm62> well...legal in proper countries l)
[09:01] <yfir> DanglyBits: 1.0.3 will probably not appear in the Hoary repos - you'd have to wait until Breezy for that. But all the security patches of 1.0.3 are applied to 1.0.2
[09:01] <cfg9976> good evening
[09:01] <karljp> but yes, to clarify, LVM setup is offered at install time with ubuntu 5.04
[09:01] <transgress> well i've got 80 gigs on this box and i think ima buy a 400 gig drive to add to it
[09:01] <Anlar> universal: I got Jens Of Sweden. a good .ogg support and a nice beautiful design machine.
[09:01] <Seveas> DanglyBits, ubuntu applied the patches of 1.0.3 before 1.0.3 was out, so you don't need 1.0.3
[09:01] <karljp> except the security patch,
[09:02] <karljp> cos the firelinking poc still works
[09:02] <IIIEars> Agh! - I am sitting in front of Xterm - xorg didn't configure - What is the command to start screen the configuration program?
[09:02] <cfg9976> are you developers of ubuntu ?
[09:02] <transgress> i've got gentoo on it atm, and i love it so, but i dunno... ubuntu has been working well for me... and it's pretty decent on speed
[09:02] <Seveas> IIIEars, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:02] <karljp> gentoo is for ricers
[09:02] <transgress> karljp: i'm a ricer
[09:02] <DanglyBits> Seveas: i've heard about breezy..is this something I should go to in order to keep up on latest programs?
[09:02] <karljp> well :)
[09:02] <universal> Anlar, ok, i dont know that name... yet, but ive heard that the ipod do have problems with the battery and so
[09:02] <GeneralCody> what is a ricer?
[09:02] <IIIEars> Whew - MANY thanks! :)
[09:02] <karljp> whatever works for you you then
[09:02] <Seveas> DanglyBits, please do not do that yet
[09:02] <transgress> karljp: it's nice when kde boots in like 3 seconds though
[09:02] <Seveas> breezy will heavily break soon
[09:03] <moj0rising> transgress, sorry to ask but I am not sure on how to use syslog. Is it a file?
[09:03] <DanglyBits> Seveas: sorry?
[09:03] <Xenguy> GeneralCody: google for -> gentoo ricer
[09:03] <transgress> moj0rising: yeah it's in /var/log  ... go in and type tail syslog
[09:03] <moj0rising> cool...
[09:03] <Seveas> DanglyBits, there will be a massive toolchain update soon. And if you don't understand what that measns, you should NOT use breezy yet
[09:04] <karljp> seveas: are they dropping in gcc4?
[09:04] <Seveas> yes
[09:04] <djm62> GCC4?
[09:04] <DanglyBits> Seveas: are critical flaw in programs being applied to program contained in Hoary?
[09:04] <Seveas> and a glibc update
[09:04] <djm62> 0...0
[09:04] <Seveas> DanglyBits, yes
[09:04] <karljp> woo, I think I'm really going to like ubuntu
[09:04] <transgress> haha i use a nonstandard theme, and a 73lab wallpaper atm...
[09:04] <nickrud> me ponders just how old he's gotten
[09:04] <DanglyBits> Seveas: thanks
[09:04] <transgress> on this box i use blackbox and have all kinds of different shit set up
[09:04] <Seveas> hoary will include security updates and serious bugfixes for the next 18 months
[09:04] <karljp> debian was so smartly designed, but the world of living in sarge was just crap
[09:04] <Xenguy> bye
[09:04] <Xenguy> oops
[09:04] <nickrud> I will conquer irc someday
[09:05] <Seveas> karljp, indeed and ubuntu fills that gap :)
[09:05] <transgress> karljp: yeah... i see ubuntu as debian ... just with updates
[09:05] <karljp> seveas: hence me using it :
[09:05] <karljp> plus a ) at the end there
[09:05] <Seveas> :)
[09:05] <Seveas> hence /me using it too
[09:05] <moj0rising> OK. I didn't find anything about usb in syslog. I did find two lines about it in dmesg...
[09:06] <moj0rising> usbcore: registerd new driver usbfs
[09:06] <tovella> transgress: i just hope debian takes some of those updates into the unstable branch, though.
[09:06] <moj0rising> usbcore: registerd new driver hub
[09:06] <buulian> this is my first time in irc, but i'm having serious problems with ubuntu
[09:06] <Xenguy> transgress karljp Ubu relies on debian; you might want to ponder that dependency =)
[09:06] <buulian> am i in the right place?
[09:06] <cfg9976> which problems?
[09:06] <Seveas> buulian, what are the problems?
[09:06] <tovella> i hate the fact that many ubu.. packages don't work with debian ones.
[09:06] <Seveas> buulian, yes you are :)
[09:06] <buulian> i can't run .bin files
[09:06] <transgress> honestly if debian could do as much as ubuntu has and stop bickering... i might use their official distro again
[09:06] <Seveas> buulian, what are you trying to run?
[09:07] <transgress> Xenguy: true... they do... but will they always?
[09:07] <buulian> realplayer10
[09:07] <transgress> ack...
[09:07] <tovella> transgress: that may change with the new president - hopefully.
[09:07] <transgress> the taste of proprietary software makes me gag
[09:07] <buulian> what is the extension for executables
[09:07] <Seveas> buulian, try chmod +x filename.bin before running it
[09:07] <Xenguy> transgress: ideally, each should design their work to support the other
[09:07] <transgress> Xenguy: why?
[09:07] <GeneralCody> must say that this Hoary beats the shit out of all other Linux'es i've tried... Got my dwl-122 wireless up going and all is dandy.
[09:07] <Xenguy> transgress: otherwise, something important will have been lost IMHO
[09:07] <buulian> +x?
[09:07] <buulian> that should do it
[09:07] <djm62> yeah...debian are doing something that isn't ideal for many users,  but they're doing it reasonably well
[09:07] <Seveas> chmod +x filename +bin
[09:07] <Seveas> that makes it executable
[09:08] <Xenguy> transgress: 'more than the sum of the parts', and all that
[09:08] <buulian> ok thanks i'll try it right now
[09:08] <moj0rising> transgress, did you see my lines on the usb? I can print them again.
[09:08] <dcraven> buulian, there is no extension for exectutables in Linux.
[09:08] <transgress> moj0rising: PM them to me
[09:08] <tovella> mepis does some custom pacages too, but the overwhelming bulk uses debian repositories.
[09:08] <buulian> interesting
[09:08] <slept> buulian there are no extensions you can use file filename to find out
[09:08] <moj0rising> k..
[09:08] <djm62> just remember the 300 at thermopylae ;)
[09:08] <buulian> i'm used to winblows
[09:08] <dcraven> buulian, file extensions are unnecessary.
[09:08] <buulian> interesting
[09:08] <Xenguy> buulian: you poor man
[09:08] <Xenguy> :P
[09:08] <buulian> yeah
[09:08] <djm62> that's a ratio
[09:09] <dcraven> buulian, often used, but unnecessary. Useful for humans to see filetype at a glance.
[09:09] <buulian> i like programming there better right now though
[09:09] <nickrud> that's not a ratio, that was nearly infinity  :)
[09:09] <buulian> only because i'm not used to linux yet
[09:09] <Xenguy> buulian: I chuckle in your general direction
[09:09] <transgress> file ... my preferred way to see file types
[09:09] <transgress> because extensions can be liars
[09:09] <tovella> thank you all for your input about the non-profit for kids thing.
[09:09] <tovella> gotta go shower, eat, & to work.  BYE.
[09:09] <transgress> yeah me too
[09:09] <djm62> nickrud: I take it you started on classical rather than modern greek?
[09:09] <transgress> bye
[09:09] <cfg9976> is universe and multiverse good packages ?
[09:09] <Xenguy> transgress: l8r
[09:09] <dcraven> buulian, not a big difference really. Depends on what language or libraries you like I suppose.
[09:09] <Edgan> cfg9976: yes they are
[09:10] <cfg9976> is it maintained ?
[09:10] <nickrud> djm, yeah. I quit when I realized there were more grad students than undergrads
[09:10] <karljp> dj: what do yo umean by the 300 at thermopylae?
[09:10] <Seveas> cfg9976, usually
[09:10] <Seveas> they are maintained
[09:10] <Edgan> cfg9976: yes, though not timing from a security perspective
[09:10] <buulian> ok, i did that in the terminal, now ust click on the file?
[09:10] <Seveas> and 90% good packages
[09:10] <Edgan> cfg9976: I mean timely
[09:10] <moj0rising> transgress, sent.
[09:10] <moj0rising> oops.
[09:10] <dcraven> cfg9976, of course it's maintained. Whether they are good or not is sometimes a matter of opinion.
[09:10] <keffo> how do i enable DMA for my cdburner?
[09:10] <cfg9976> ok seveas
[09:10] <keffo> quick
[09:10] <djm62> karljp: last time I was buying hardware ;)
[09:10] <Seveas> keffo, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[09:11] <keffo> thanks
[09:11] <transgress> okay i'll help you real quick before i go moj0rising stay in the PM
[09:11] <cfg9976> are there just a copy of debian packages or are there modified for ubuntu?
[09:11] <Seveas> keffo, that is: if /dev/hdc is the burner :)
[09:11] <dcraven> buulian, or type "./filename" in terminal.
[09:11] <Seveas> cfg9976, some are modified
[09:11] <Seveas> some not
[09:11] <karljp> dj: I guess I still don't understand :)
[09:11] <djm62> karljp: sorry, http://www.hoplites.co.uk/html/thermopylae.html
[09:11] <Edgan> cfg9976: So if you use say squirrelmail from universe, you can expect it to work, and to probably see new releases. But if a new security problem comes up, don't expect them to job on top of getting a new release out for that security problem.
[09:12] <karljp> I guess I don't understand why you were referring to the battle
[09:12] <Seveas> Edgan, cfg9976, the security patches will be imported from debian though
[09:12] <buulian> seveas-i did that in terminal, but it still says that the file is of type unknown
[09:12] <Edgan> Seveas: in a timely manner?
[09:12] <Seveas> Edgan, yes
[09:12] <djm62> in terms of ratios...that was 300 versus the known universe ;)
[09:12] <Seveas> buulian, how are you trying to run it?
[09:12] <cfg9976> ok thanks
[09:12] <buulian> its on the desktop
[09:13] <Edgan> Seveas: so it is basically how quickly debian moves when it comes to universe/multiverse?
[09:13] <buulian> i'm just clicking on it, like in windows
[09:13] <buulian> is that not right?
[09:13] <Seveas> buulian, can you paste the output of ls -al ~/Desktop in a private message please
[09:13] <karljp> and you felt like one of the 300 last time you were buying hardware?
[09:13] <Seveas> Edgan, usually
[09:13] <Seveas> sometimes ubuntu is faster
[09:13] <Seveas> sometimes debian
[09:13] <karljp> whoah, I think I really missed something, and now we're spamming the channel rehashing it :)
[09:13] <transgress> hey i don't have my ubuntu box up right now
[09:13] <Edgan> Seveas: What is the common amount of time? hours, days, weeks?
[09:14] <transgress> can someone tell me if there is a digikam package
[09:14] <Seveas> edgan, depends
[09:14] <slept> I'm looking for a package with wich I can read keycodes for volume keys .. , I know there is /was one in debian but I  can't even find it there is keycodes the wrong expression to look for ?
[09:14] <Seveas> there really is nothing to say about that
[09:14] <Seveas> but no more than days i guess
[09:14] <karljp> xev
[09:14] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian # ls -al Desktop
[09:14] <buulian> total 5672
[09:14] <buulian> drwxrwxrwx   2 root    root       4096 2005-04-23 12:00 .
[09:14] <buulian> drwxr-xr-x  30 buulian buulian    4096 2005-04-23 12:03 ..
[09:14] <buulian> -rwxr-xr-x   1 buulian buulian 5787204 2005-04-23 12:00 RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[09:14] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian #
[09:14] <Seveas> slept, what kind of hardware do you have?
[09:14] <karljp> run xev, then move the mouse over the window that pops up
[09:14] <karljp> and push the button
[09:14] <Edgan> Seveas: sounds better than I expected
[09:14] <karljp> if nothing comes up in the terminal you started for,
[09:15] <cavediver> Hi! Is there a program in Ubuntu that can create and seed torrents ?
[09:15] <djm62> slept: do you need to know the key codes? you can set shortcuts in gnome without knowing them
[09:15] <karljp> then your current keyboard driver doesn't know about those keycodes at all.
[09:15] <Edgan> cavediver: bittorrent
[09:15] <Seveas> buulian, can you, in a terminal type: ~/Desktop/RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[09:15] <karljp> and yes, if you use gnome keyboard shortcuts, _and_ it has options for what you want to do (not always) the keycode is not so important
[09:15] <buulian> let me try
[09:15] <djm62> it does have volume options, which is all I have
[09:16] <Seveas> karljp that's not completely true
[09:16] <cavediver> Edgan: I have that installed, but i can't find out which program to start or what to do. I'd like a gui program
[09:16] <djm62> (other hotkey-thingmies aren't supported on linux for hp nx9020)
[09:16] <Seveas> karljp, setkeycodes can help...
[09:16] <blueyed> transgress, yes there's a digikam package.
[09:16] <cfg9976> are they ubuntu developers talking on this channel ? I just wonder me
[09:16] <Seveas> i need that to make my volume keys work
[09:16] <Edgan> cavediver: /usr/bin/btmaketorrentgui.py
[09:16] <buulian> it says that the command is not found
[09:16] <Seveas> cfg9976, sometimes they are
[09:17] <djm62> cfg9976: I think generally not...just fellow-travellers
[09:17] <Seveas> buulian, there seems to be a problem with the .bin file...
[09:17] <buulian> i can get the rpm
[09:17] <slept> seveas : it shouldn't depend on the hw ,logitech keyboard but I don't want to try all numbers
[09:17] <transgress> blueyed: thanks
[09:17] <DoppleGanger> mwa ha ha
[09:17] <cfg9976> ok Seveas
[09:18] <Seveas> slept, 'easiest' thing to do is google to see hoe others did did it
[09:18] <buulian> ok
[09:18] <cfg9976> Seveas, I ask me how the developers talk one to the other, to work in ubuntu ?
[09:19] <djm62> actually (though I'll probably never use them) does anyone know how I might get shortcut keys working on the HP nx9020? I don't think it's happening out of ay box
[09:19] <dcraven> buulian, this might be of some use too --> http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[09:19] <cfg9976> my english is not perfect may be
[09:19] <Seveas> cfg9976, another IRC channel, mailing lists (both public and internal) and phone...
[09:19] <dcraven> buulian, I suggest you bookmark that page.
[09:20] <Seveas> djm62, dunno if it will work, but on my HP nc6000 i need setkeycodes for the volume keys, the others work from the keyboard sortcut menu in gnome
[09:21] <cfg9976> phone, lol :-) , they can spend hours, isn't it ?
[09:21] <Seveas> cfg9976, for long conversations they use irc :)
[09:21] <Seveas> or the ubuntu conferences
[09:22] <buulian> awesome!
[09:22] <buulian> thanks, dcraven!
[09:22] <GeneralCody> ubuntu is superior
[09:22] <cfg9976> of course lol
[09:22] <dcraven> buulian, anytime.
[09:22] <jg> anyone here give me help with gnome and nfs?  I'm trying to get my home directories mounted remotely, and having trouble....
[09:22] <cfg9976> I presume all is in english
[09:22] <redduck666> GeneralCody, superior to what?
[09:23] <Seveas> cfg9976, most
[09:23] <karljp> anyone know how to make openoffice show the filename anywhere?
[09:23] <buulian> omg its working!
[09:23] <GeneralCody> redduck666, to the other linux'es I've tried
[09:23] <buulian> you're the best!
[09:23] <karljp> it doesn't show it on the title bar, or in any of the menus that I can find.
[09:23] <redduck666> GeneralCody, tried gentoo?
[09:23] <karljp> I have to go into file properties,
[09:23] <dcraven> buulian, it's Ubuntu's fault that it works, not mine ;P
[09:24] <cfg9976> does somebody knows tuxracer?
[09:24] <cens0red> redduck666 gentoo = real hackers distro no?
[09:24] <dcraven> cens0red, no.
[09:24] <cfg9976> I have no sound with it in ubuntu
[09:24] <GeneralCody> redduck666, I gave that up. too much of a hassle to install on multiple machines...
[09:24] <Xenguy> cens0red: real ricer ;-)
[09:24] <buulian> yeah, but i have to thank the messanger
[09:24] <shannon> Hi - ubuntu uses SoundJuicer with cdparanoia by default, am I right in thinking this results in slow cd ripping (but with good audio quality, error checking) as compared to using something else like lame?
[09:24] <dcraven> cens0red, same stuff, just source based.
[09:24] <redduck666> cens0red, gentoo=pain in the ass to install, i just wanted to know wether it is worth it
[09:24] <Seveas> shannon, lame is not a ripper
[09:25] <karljp> lame is an encoder
[09:25] <Seveas> and decoder
[09:25] <Seveas> so: codec :)
[09:25] <nickrud> karljp, you mean an already open document? the titlebar here has the file name
[09:25] <shannon> aah, lame is an encoder. And cdparanoia is a ripper but not an encoder?
[09:25] <djm62> Seveas: how did you get the keycodes? I have the opposite problem...volume keys are fine
[09:25] <karljp> my title bar has the document title, from file properties, not the filename :(
[09:25] <redduck666> cens0red, wasn't intened as spam
[09:25] <dcraven> spamming? I thought you asked.
[09:25] <djm62> Seveas: rather, the scancodes
[09:25] <karljp> but yeah, an already open document.
[09:26] <cens0red> well other than ubuntu, I've used mandrake. Ubuntu passes water over it, to use a metaphor.
[09:26] <karljp> hmm it works when it can edit the file
[09:26] <Seveas> djm62, if you knw the scancodes, you can set the keycodes
[09:26] <cens0red> redduck666 lol. Probably not. Just looked like it to someone who caught the tail end of the conversation.
[09:26] <karljp> but for readonly files it seems to show the doc title, not the filename
[09:26] <karljp> hooray for consistency
[09:26] <nickrud> ah, I don't assign titles to documents :)
[09:26] <djm62> Seveas: yeah...I mistyped: where can I get scancodes?
[09:27] <karljp> try xev first,
[09:27] <Seveas> karljp, no good for this purpose
[09:27] <karljp> not even for dj?
[09:27] <Seveas> there was a command you could type in a real terminal
[09:27] <djm62> I remembered right....xev still inert
[09:27] <Seveas> forgot its name though :S
[09:28] <slept> karljp thanks
[09:28] <cens0red> what would be a better distro for a server? ubuntu or debian?
[09:28] <Seveas> ubuntu
[09:28] <karljp> define "server"
[09:29] <dcraven> cens0red, flip a coin.
[09:29] <karljp> or look at what you actually want to serve
[09:29] <Seveas> djm62, was your laptop the hp one?
[09:29] <busfahrer> cens0red: Debian.
[09:29] <cens0red> karljp well for me it means a system I would set up to run apache. It's got to be stable as a pyramid, and needs no desktop.
[09:29] <Seveas> cens0red, ubuntu with server install
[09:30] <cens0red> Seveas there is an option to install as a server in the install wizard?
[09:30] <djm62> Seveas: yes
[09:30] <Edgan> cens0red: taking everything into account debian, but ubuntu is close. It also depends on how and what you do with the server.
[09:31] <Seveas> cens0red, yes, search the wiki on how to do it
[09:31] <Seveas> djm62, try e00a and e008
[09:31] <karljp> bah, openoffice is quirky.  who thought that word completion was a good idea?  and thought that experience should try to to complete to experienced.
[09:31] <djm62> Seveas: I need /slightly/ more context than that...try it where? the volume keys work fine
[09:32] <dcraven> karljp, if that stuff annoys, you might prefer Abiword.
[09:32] <Seveas> djm62, they work without fiddling in linux?
[09:33] <shannon> Will I get faster CD ripping if I use cdda2wav as compared to cdparanoia?
[09:33] <Seveas> djm62, i found the scancodes for my hp laptop via google :) you can use setkeycodes to map them to keycodes (add that to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh)
[09:33] <Edgan> cens0red: I think ubuntu will likely be where it needs to be when it gets to 5.10
[09:33] <djm62> Seveas: well, you have to set them in gnome preferences to do vol up/down/mute, but no other fiddling.  I have an array of buttons along the top of the keyboard that just sit there
[09:33] <Seveas> djm62, google for your scancodes
[09:33] <Seveas> djm62, maybe this gives some context (the howto for another type of hp laptop) http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/nc6000-linux.html
[09:34] <Seveas> brb
[09:34] <Resonant> Anyone remember the Active Desktop feature from Windows 98+? Is their any replacement for that in Linux?
[09:34] <paul__> can anyone here help me set up support for a joypad in xmame?
[09:34] <cens0red> Edgan where does it "need" to be?
[09:35] <Edgan> cens0red: For what I do, it needs real software raid support and a few other things.
[09:35] <Seveas> Resonant, what are you trying to achieve? a webpage on your desktop?
[09:36] <karljp> seveas: and what's wrong with that?
[09:36] <Seveas> karljp, hm?
[09:36] <karljp> active desktop was unstable as hell, but it a reasonably nice idea.
[09:36] <Seveas> karljp, i don't say that it's bad...
[09:36] <karljp> sorry, the way you wrote it I thought you were questioning why he wanted something like ad
[09:37] <Seveas> just wanted to know the purpose...
[09:37] <Edgan> cens0red: for now Ubuntu makes a great laptop OS, decent desktop OS, and an not so good server OS.
[09:37] <transgress> okay anyone running wireless here?
[09:37] <Seveas> transgress, /me
[09:37] <Edgan> cens0red: At least for me
[09:37] <Resonant> Seveas, pretty much.
[09:37] <djm62> transgress: not at the moment, but I was yesterdayt
[09:37] <Seveas> WPA/802.1x/WEP and ndiswrapper worked
[09:37] <Resonant> I want to display http://www.ogame.org/ on my desktop
[09:37] <transgress> okay cool
[09:37] <Amaranth> Edgan: What's wrong with an Ubuntu server?
[09:37] <karljp> transgress: /me is
[09:37] <Resonant> To see resources for the game itself.
[09:37] <Seveas> Resonant, sorry, can't help with that....
[09:37] <dcraven> transgress, same.
[09:37] <transgress> Seveas: when you set it up did you have to know the essid?
[09:38] <transgress> or anyone
[09:38] <Edgan> Amaranth: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4944
[09:38] <karljp> ndiswrapper 1.1 no wep or antything.
[09:38] <karljp> no, not when it was working properly