[00:00] <mase_work> syockit: if you can ssh in its prolly an X thing
[00:00] <mase_work> sorry for the late reply
[00:00] <bruce89> skyjumper: I was wondering as to what the acroread file actually is
[00:00] <syockit> mase_work: thanks
[00:00] <skyjumper> that's the actual binary, from adobe's own .deb
[00:01] <syockit> '%#(8fd#%  xorg-xserver-7.4!!!
[00:02] <syockit> skyjumper: why do you have an intellinux directory? btw, I've tried ldd-ing the bin, but it says 'not dynamic executable'
[00:03] <skyjumper> syockit: that's what adobe's .deb package created
[00:04] <syockit> skyjumper: the latest one? because I also downloaded deb from adobe too
[00:04] <skyjumper> latest as of earlier today
[00:04]  * syockit fails for using also and too in the same sentence
[00:08] <syockit> oh, I missed the x64 reference from earlier. that might explain the difference in file placement
[00:08] <skyjumper> syockit: just re-downloaded the package, it does have an intellinux dur
[00:08] <skyjumper> dir
[00:09] <syockit> yes, x64 and i386 would be different, I missed that
[00:09] <syockit> wait, i still don't know whether they have an x64 build or not
[00:11] <syockit> oh, it's 32-bit only, so debs shouldn't differ
[00:11] <syockit> I'll try installing again to see if it really differs
[00:11] <syockit> oh, found it!
[00:12] <syockit> it is there, and ldd gives the same error you mentioned
[00:12] <dtchen> that's a shame.
[00:12] <dtchen> i suppose you can try prepending linux32
[00:12] <dtchen> otherwise you may need an actual chroot
[00:15] <skyjumper> linux32 didn't work
[00:15] <skyjumper> it did work under intrepid... what could have changed?
[00:16] <syockit> arghh xorg hung again! at least this time it allows me to ctrl-alt-f1
[00:18] <dtchen> syockit: does alt+sysrq+r and then alt+sysrq+k work?
[00:20] <Roey> hi
[00:20] <Roey> so what's this about the ext4 corruption bug?
[00:21] <syockit> dtchen: what is k supposed to do again? anyway, this time it allows me to kill gdm, so no problem
[00:22] <syockit> Roey: allocation delays are longer in ext4, so when people try to hard reset pc right after it hangs, they possibly get more data loss
[00:29] <Roey> syockit:  but I thought that this only affects kde4, and that for that matter ext4 is journaled (and even then, according to /., it is not ext4's fault necessarily)
[00:32] <syockit> Roey: yes it's not ext4's fault, but end-users don't see it that way
[00:33] <syockit> they only want their previous configs intact
[00:33] <SeveredCross> Has anyone been able to build the kvm module on Jaunty?
[00:33] <Roey> syockit:  question is, will /I/ be affected
[00:33] <Roey> I just installed Jaunty a5
[00:33] <SeveredCross> I keep getting some silly errors about "file or folder doesn't exist," when I'm clearly inside the folder at the moment, and it certainly exist.
[00:33] <Roey> with kde4.
[00:33] <Roey> and ext4.
[00:33] <Roey> :P
[00:33] <syockit> Roey: maybe yes if you use default sync settings
[00:33] <dtchen> you probably want to grab a daily and reinstall
[00:34] <DanaG> I haven't had any big issues caused by ext4... but I happen to use commit=900 and data=journal.
[00:34] <DanaG> Long commit time, and all data goes through journal.
[00:34] <syockit> Roey: one of the reasons I changed to gnome was because i no longer want to keep backups of my ~/.kde
[00:34] <syockit> Roey: but then, I knew nothing of how to properly use journalling
[00:35] <dtchen> err, you probably *should* keep backups of ~/.kde anyhow
[00:35] <dtchen> e.g., i keep ~/.gnome and ~/.gconf in a VCS
[00:36] <syockit> actually if possible, I'd want to keep backups of .mozilla and other things too
[00:37] <Roey> hmm.
[00:37] <Roey> ok.
[00:37] <syockit> but backing up cache is plain stupid, i know, but I'm lazy
[00:37] <Roey> i'll keep backups of ~/.kde
[00:37] <syockit> I used the good old cp -ur ~/.kde ~/.kdeold
[00:38] <syockit> because too lazy setting up rsync or any backup solutions at all
[00:38] <Roey> ah
[00:38] <Roey> oh I use dirvish every night to back up to an external drive
[00:38] <Roey> and then I swap that drive every week
[00:38] <Roey> with one I keep at my parents' house.
[00:38] <Roey> and then my main drives are in a softraid1
[00:39]  * DanaG wishes there were something like the ZFS snapshots feature -- it's a copy-on-write--based thing.
[00:39] <syockit> the thing is, kubuntu crashed too often back then, and I kept losing .kde every other day. that's why I needed a simple copy side-by-side
[00:40] <dtchen> DanaG: try lvm snapshotting
[00:40] <Roey> I have issues here with my system.
[00:40] <syockit> lately I just lost my folding@home work unit, probably lost just as it was trying to write to disk
[00:40] <DanaG> Can that back up snapshots to another disk?
[00:41] <Roey> my first issue is with intel 945 drivers in X.  Until 2.6.2 gets released, there's no acceleration....
[00:41] <Roey> sucks!
[00:41] <Roey> and it's a known issue!!
[00:41] <dtchen> DanaG: yes
[00:43] <DanaG> I've never used lvm.
[00:44] <syockit> any tutorial/guide out there on how to properly use ext4, considering there are still many apps that don't use fsync/fdatasync well?
[00:52] <JanC> syockit: only use it on a system that will never crash
[00:53] <Cycom> howdy :)
[00:53] <Cycom> dtchen:  haven
[00:53] <dtchen> "haven"?
[00:53] <dtchen> sorry, but i'm not shepherd book
[00:53] <Cycom> arg! dtchen I haven't tested the audio jack on the dell mini 9, but the speakers seem to work out of the box
[00:53] <robink> Anyone know what revision of webkit-gtk is currently being used in Ubuntu 9.04?
[00:54] <Cycom> the ' key is down next to the left arrow on this dinkey keyboard, as opposed to the left of the enter key, which I hit instead
[00:54] <dtchen> Cycom: anyhow, i have fixes for you, but the source failed to build due to an inane missing ABI check
[00:55] <dtchen> i'll see if i can isolate them for you and provide a diff and/or binaries against 2.6.28-9.31-generic
[00:56] <Cycom> dtchen: what's and ABI check?
[00:57] <DanaG> Oh hey, is there any way to take an existing, bootable, but broken-package-state system, and use it to launch a fresh install without a CD?
[00:58] <DanaG> I have a system that can't upgrade any further (is currently on Hardy)... it just freezes at building package states.
[01:01] <DanaG> oh wait, it unfroze.
[01:02] <sparr> time for a game of "what breaks on dist-upgrade"
[01:07] <Othor> anyone know why my mouse pointer jumps around when my laptops power cord is not plugged in?
[01:35] <Quinn_Storm> hey, quick question -- apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) is fetching some kind of empty metapackage instead of the linux source, what is the current 'correct' way to apply a patch to the stock kernel and get a proper kernel that matches it in all other ways?
[01:39] <SeveredCross> Install linux-source and linux-headers packages.
[01:40] <SeveredCross> Not necessarily those named ones, but the correct ones for your kernel.
[01:41] <Quinn_Storm> and how do I get from there to a deb built by the official build process?
[01:41] <Quinn_Storm> I want it to be as much like the stock kernel as possible
[01:42] <Lounge> after updated to the latest kernel-image today jaunty won't bootup anymore
[01:43] <Lounge> keeps saying somthing about kernel panic
[01:43] <Lounge> 2.6.28-9
[01:44] <crdlb> are you using ext4?
[01:44] <Lounge> yes
[01:44] <crdlb> that may be why
[01:45] <Lounge> ext4 ontop of encrypted lvm
[01:46] <Lounge> is there a way to get it to generate an error report?
[01:46] <Lounge> or a debug backtrace?
[02:13] <Gartral2> im here only to point out that nvidia has released newer drivers than what are available in the restricted drivers in ubuntu (Version: 96.43.09) site has Version: 96.43.11
[02:22] <KDesk> hi
[02:23] <Unksi> hi
[02:25] <KDesk> I have kpackagekit installed, but it doesn't work, when I click on refresh the message "Waiting for service to start" apears, but nothing more happens. How can I start the service?
[02:42] <kindofabuzz> is gedit snippits broken or is it just me?
[02:44] <KDesk> does packagekit work right now in kubuntu?
[03:06] <kam> kindofabuzz: works for me in yesterday's daily livecd
[03:12] <Cycom> does totem-gstreamer still support automagic handling of iso playback, like a DVD iso?
[03:14] <JanC> no idea
[03:15] <JanC> (IME the only app that can reliably play DVDs is Ogle...)
[03:16] <Cycom> JanC: totem-gstreamer and totem-xine could just fine in 8.10, but now when I try to do what I did before (click and drag the iso to toem) it mounts the iso, and then can't play the foler.
[03:16] <JanC> unfortunately Ogle is more or less abondoned and only half of the GUI works  :-/
[03:16] <Cycom> folder*
[03:17] <JanC> hm, I don't have a DVD ISO laying around
[03:18] <Cycom> I'm also playing them over a network share so...
[03:27] <Cycom> JanC: VLC seem to work ok.
[03:28] <JanC> yeah, the mount ISO thing has always worked with VLC for me
[03:28] <JanC> the play DVD correctly with menus etc. was not always okay though
[03:28] <Cycom> like I said though, totem-xine at the very least was able to play dvds fine in 8.10
[03:29] <JanC> Cycom: so, file a regression bug
[03:29] <JanC> (if it doesn't exist yet)
[03:37] <kindofabuzz> i got some kernel updates awhile ago, was that alpha 5?
[03:37] <kindofabuzz> or 6 or whatever
[03:42] <JanC> maybe
[03:42] <JanC> if there comes no newer kernel before alpha 6  ;)
[03:52] <DanaG> grr, stupid unetbootin... won't boot from SD card.
[03:52] <DanaG> It keeps mounting my hdd ext4 partition... over and over...
[03:52] <DanaG> ... and over
[03:52] <DanaG> ... and over
[03:52] <DanaG> .. and not getting anywhere.
[03:55] <DanaG> ... and usb-creator won't let you apply an image to other bootable devices, such as SD cards.
[03:58] <DanaG> stupid usb-creator.
[04:28] <DanaG> E: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_delay() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 735228 bytes (3829 ms).
[04:28] <DanaG> E: alsa-util.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[04:28] <DanaG> E: rtpoll.c: Assertion 'usec <= ((pa_usec_t) 1000000ULL)*60ULL*60ULL' failed at pulsecore/rtpoll.c:548, function pa_rtpoll_set_timer_relative(). Aborting.
[04:28] <DanaG> grr, damned assertions.
[04:29] <DanaG> I mean, isn't it bad manners to compile things with assertions so they abort like that?
[04:32] <JanC> depends
[04:33] <JanC> maybe they just saved your hardware  ;)
[04:34] <DanaG> goddamnit, PA just randomly died again.
[04:34] <DanaG> It keeps happening!
[04:35] <DanaG> Exact same error.
[04:35] <DanaG> And it KEEPS happening.
[04:36] <DanaG> Over and over again.  Really frickin' annoying.
[04:36] <beardbar> oh hi jaunty
[04:37] <beardbar> i know jaunty is still in alpha but was wondering if any web developers are using it anyways to develope on.
[04:39] <mase_work> beardbar: erm..in what way?
[04:39] <mase_work> i am using it to develop on..ie its my desktop
[04:39] <mase_work> its pretty broken in areas but none that affect how i use it
[04:39] <mase_work> aside from my graphics is a bit slow
[04:39] <mase_work> but thems the breaks
[04:40] <mase_work> as in do i have any servers deployed with it..no
[04:42] <beardbar> mase_work: I mean in the way that you use it as your desktop along with a local test enviroment with your sites and applications like gimp, bluefish etc.
[04:44] <mase_work> beardbar: i don't have apache+db on the laptop it's self. Gimp seems to work, i use kdevelop ( also beta ) which works ok for me
[04:44] <beardbar> mase_work: basically im trying to decide if I can make due for 10 weeks or so until it goes stable or go with 8.0.4, i just dont want to do a fresh install 3 months from now.
[04:44] <mase_work> its just slow pretty much
[04:44] <mase_work> why not 8.10 ?
[04:45] <beardbar> if thats the latest then ya, been awhile since I looked at what the latest versions are.
[04:45] <mase_work> yeh latest is 8.10
[04:45] <mase_work> its pretty good
[04:45] <mase_work> my reasons for jaunty are basically to do with the kernel and intel drivers and the amount of wakeups
[04:46] <mase_work> its a laptop so power consumption is somewhat better
[04:46] <mase_work> at least for my components
[04:46] <beardbar> I think i'll go ahead and go with jaunty though and live with it, I have a pretty beefy machine, just hope it can auto detect multiple monitors. i have 3 28" samsungs that were a pain to get working last time i tried ubuntu a year ago.
[04:46] <mase_work> it depends on your hardware
[04:46] <mase_work> if you have an ATI card or use proprietary drivers
[04:46] <mase_work> you don't want jaunty
[04:47] <IntuitiveNipple> beardbar: You may well have problems. Xorg and friends is currently having problems with multiple monitors/screens
[04:47] <mase_work> beardbar: Xorg is probably the most broken thing at this point in time
[04:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Several 'popular' bugs in Launchpad on the subject
[04:47] <beardbar> i have dual GeForce 9800GT cards
[04:48] <mase_work> beardbar: i doubt nvidia have released anything that will work with jaunty's kernel + Xorg atm
[04:48] <beardbar> intuitiveNipple: ahh ya that might be a show stopper for me
[04:48] <DanaG> god **** damnit, PA, STOP ABORTING!
[04:55] <shaya> is fglrx not supposed to work in jaunty at the moment?
[04:55] <shaya> just upgraded and it jockey says its active, but it doesn't seem to be using it
[04:56] <kindofabuzz> shaya, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha5
[04:57] <kindofabuzz> see known issues
[04:57] <kindofabuzz> shaya, A new XServer, version 1.6, is included in Alpha 4. The binary proprietary fglrx driver is not yet supported for this server and will exhibit various serious issues if run against it. Users of this driver are encouraged to wait or to switch to the open source -ati driver in the meantime.
[04:57] <shaya> kindofabuzz: well
[04:57] <shaya> I'm running ati supposedly
[04:57] <shaya> but glxinfo crashes :)
[04:58] <shaya> as does every glx app
[04:58] <shaya> assuming some other issue
[04:58] <shaya> doesn't really bother me, as I don't really use them, just was wondering
[04:59] <xtknight> anyone getting random crashes with ath5k?
[04:59] <beardbar> i guess I should ask, when jaunty releases will 8.10 users be able to upgrade or have to do a fresh install?
[05:00] <xtknight> beardbar, you can dist-upgrade as always :)
[05:00] <xtknight> distribution upgrade
[05:00] <beardbar> oh then done deal
[05:00] <beardbar> thanks guys for the info
[05:00] <xtknight> !upgrade | beardbar
[05:01] <xtknight> well check that when jaunty is released
[05:01] <beardbar> right
[05:13] <DanaG> GODDAMNIT, PA just died again!
[05:20] <sparr> kdebase: Depends: dolphin (>= 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu5) but 4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 is to be installed
[05:21] <sparr> is that currently true on intrepid, or is my apt screwed up?
[05:22] <dtchen>    kdebase | 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu4 |      intrepid | source, all
[05:22] <dtchen>    kdebase | 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid2 | intrepid-updates | source, all
[05:22] <dtchen>    kdebase | 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 | intrepid-backports | source, all
[05:22] <dtchen>    kdebase | 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu5 |        jaunty | source, all
[05:22] <dtchen> sparr: i'd say your apt cache isn't current
[05:25] <dtchen> (note that rmadison by default does not poll PPAs)
[05:26] <sparr> how can i fix that?
[05:26] <sparr> my sources are all jaunty, and apt-get update fetches them
[05:26] <dtchen> what's the output from `apt-cache policy kdebase dolphin'?
[05:27] <sparr> moot now, im having aptitude resolve the problem.  sorry
[05:28] <Cycom> dtchen: I was wondering from before, what's and ABI check?
[05:28]  * dtchen nods
[05:28] <sparr> i try to avoid aptitude when i can
[05:28] <dtchen> Cycom: ABI, as used in Ubuntu kernel terms, is the list of exported symbols
[05:28] <sparr> worst part of an ubuntu upgrade...
[05:28] <sparr> im thinking about it RIGHT NOW and i still know im going to forget to install new nvidia drivers before i reboot
[05:29] <dtchen> sparr: i've had really good experiences with aptitude in both Ubuntu and Debian; Daniel B's work on aptitude currently is incredible
[05:29] <sparr> im giving it a chance from the command line
[05:29] <sparr> i got soured on its bad ncurses-GUI a long time ago
[05:37] <DanaG> Oh hey, I figured out how to twiddle my mute LED.
[05:37] <Cycom> dtchen: mini 9 seems to ignore headphone jack detection as well, btw.
[05:37] <Cycom> dtchen: output is on both the speakers and the headphones, as opposed to the HP mini 1030nr which is just headphones
[05:38] <dtchen> Cycom: what're the mini9's /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 contents?
[05:45] <Cycom> dtchen: you want it in pastebin?
[05:45] <DanaG> I just figured something out: using hdaanalyzer to twiddle GPIO 1 twiddles the mute.
[05:46] <DanaG> Why does ALSA not use the GPIO?
[05:46] <Cycom> oof, it's 1:45 am, I'm out.
[05:47] <Cycom> hrm, looks like dtchen is gone.
[05:48] <DanaG> Wed Mar 11 22:48:03 PDT 2009
[05:48] <Cycom> I'm on EST, and I think he is too.
[05:48] <Cycom> anyhow, later!
[05:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[05:53] <DanaG> Mute LED.
[05:58] <DanaG> I hate how the volume OSD lags.
[05:58] <DanaG> Try quickly raising and then lowering volume.... you'll find you can't!
[05:58] <DanaG> The displaying the OSD... actually SLOWS DOWN the volume changing!
[06:01] <billybigrigger> anyone else's updates today given them a wonky system?
[06:01] <billybigrigger> i just had like 3 apps crash on me
[06:01] <DanaG> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=548d933cb62c1d0b4b8635ecd6214a126f132ca8
[06:02] <billybigrigger> 1 i've never heard of cant remember the name, and compiz and some python errors, and i couldnt bug report any of them to launchpad
[06:04] <billybigrigger> and whats up with bootchart not outputing .png's? just a .tar.gz
[06:07] <jldugger> whats in the tar.gz?
[06:08] <jldugger> i know there was some recent changes to the package
[06:08] <DanaG> ... and they haven't added the corresponding pybootchart package.
[06:09] <DanaG> crimsun doesn't seem to be around.
[06:10] <jldugger> ?
[06:10] <jldugger> ah, interesting
[06:11] <jldugger> well, that was a few days ago, not super terrible news yet
[06:12] <DanaG> Biggest thing I want: new fglrx.
[06:12] <DanaG> Or working power management in radeon for r600.\
[06:13] <billybigrigger> jldugger, header proc_diskstats.log proc_ps.log proc_stat.log
[06:13] <billybigrigger> all look like garbage :P\
[06:14] <billybigrigger> just did a fresh install on my desktop, and currently all up to date
[06:14] <billybigrigger> and bootchart was working earlier today, so it must have been today or yesterdays updates?
[06:15] <jldugger> it looks like thats the data
[06:15] <jldugger> and the packages to process them were taken out and put in a seperate package
[06:15] <jldugger> which hasn't been uploaded / built yet
[06:15] <billybigrigger> ahh
[06:15]  * billybigrigger waits
[06:16] <jldugger> you might try checking the build queue
[06:18] <billybigrigger> atlas is the only package in the queue
[06:18] <billybigrigger> as far as i can see
[06:18] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[06:18] <billybigrigger> correct?
[06:18] <jldugger> "currently building"
[06:18] <jldugger> it might have failed to build
[06:19] <jldugger> or is pending et
[06:19] <sparr> Cycom: i wish i could get some other hardware to ignore the headphone jack
[06:19] <jldugger> it seems strange that the armel server would be the only one to be building
[06:20] <billybigrigger> launchpad build farm shows all build machines with 0 in queue
[06:20] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/+builds
[06:21] <billybigrigger> oh a few i386 packages building
[06:21]  * billybigrigger passes out to quantum of solace
[06:21] <billybigrigger> night all
[06:22] <sparr> by far my most destructive and least straightforward upgrade so far...  i think a reinstall is in order
[06:31] <sparr> well, ive gotten my system stuck
[06:32] <sparr> python packages are breaking all over the place
[06:39] <decaffeinated> Does anyone know if there's a solution to the no sound issue on Intel chipsets with Jaunty?
[06:40] <Volkodav> quite a few on forums
[06:40] <Volkodav> laptops and such
[06:40] <maco> no sound at all?
[06:40] <maco> i havent noticed that...
[06:41] <maco> dtchen's offline right now though
[06:41] <maco> if it was 4 hours ago, he would've been sitting a few feet from me and i could relay the question
[06:42] <decaffeinated> I mean, it's really not that big of a deal, because I rarely need sound on this thing.
[06:42] <decaffeinated> (it's just a netbook)
[06:46] <Slartibartfast> don't know if more people see this, but i could not open links in firefox which are shown in thunderbird usenetposting ... probably also in email
[06:47] <maco> do you get a firefox crash report when you try?
[06:47] <maco> decaffeinated: well im running jaunty with an HDA sound card and its working fine for me
[06:47] <maco> er, sound device
[06:47] <Slartibartfast> No ... it just doesn't work .... does do nothing ... so i checked ... just had to set network.protocol-handler.app.http in the config myself ...
[06:48] <melik> hey guys, lets say i have a seperate partition for my /boot
[06:48] <melik> can i install another linux distro and use the same /boot partition
[06:48] <melik> that im currently using for ubuntu jaunty
[06:49] <maco> ooo its only in thunderbird you mean then?
[06:49] <maco> i thought you were using tbird as an example of an app that would hav a link for you to open
[06:49] <maco> melik: yes
[06:49] <Slartibartfast> maco: yes yes. just was curries if other people have this too
[06:49] <Slartibartfast> curious :-P
[06:49] <Slartibartfast> sorry for my bad english
[06:50] <maco> i cant help then. kmail user.
[06:50] <melik> maco,
[06:51] <maco> yes?
[06:51] <melik> are you sure?
[06:51] <maco> there are 2 main reasons to use a /boot
[06:51] <maco> 1. you have encrypted / and grub needs /boot to be unencrypted to boot
[06:51] <maco> 2. you multi-boot
[06:52] <maco> (2 = what you said)
[06:52] <melik> im just afraid
[06:53] <melik> well
[06:53] <melik> fedora doesnt have the same filename for the kernel as ubuntu correct?
[06:54] <Slartibartfast> but they all use /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:54] <melik> no i dont care about menu.lst
[06:54] <melik> i can edit that
[06:54] <melik> i just dont want it to overwrite my ubuntu kernel
[06:55] <Slartibartfast> well it is reare that distro's use the same version of kernel
[06:55] <Slartibartfast> rare
[06:56] <Slartibartfast> jaunty now has 2.6.28-9-generic ... fedora won't use that
[07:07] <maco> fedora includes the extra version
[07:07] <maco> <IP_ADDRESS> for example
[07:07] <maco> and i think their kernels *say* fedora in the name
[07:09] <Slartibartfast> just checked opensuse and their kernels are called something like vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3.2-default
[07:09] <Slartibartfast> opensuse 11.1 btw
[07:15]  * Slartibartfast is downloading kdelive alpha 1 of fedora 11 for the vbox to see how that works
[07:19] <melik> Slartibartfast,
[07:19] <melik> wouldnt it be so mcuh better if
[07:20] <melik> every linux distro
[07:20] <melik> just included their name in the filename
[07:20] <melik> like ubuntu would be
[07:20] <melik> <IP_ADDRESS>.ubuntu
[07:20] <melik> fedora = <IP_ADDRESS>.fedora
[07:56] <raevol> if i don't have ubuntu-desktop installed, am i going to have problems dist-upgradeing when jaunty comes out?
[09:06] <victory747> Has anyone experienced their gnome terminal resizing when running apt-get update?
[09:08] <victory747> It's sending a bunch of escape codes to stdout.
[09:08] <Sertse> do you report jaunty bug reports like normal?
[09:09] <dns53> i think so, jaunty is a valid release to file a bug against
[09:35] <d-b> hi there does anyone know why gnome is now so dependant on dbus running / the entire system seems depentant on dbus
[09:36] <d-b> like you go sudo /etc/init.d/dbus stop and ... my keyboard stopped responding ... i got logged out gdm restarted...
[09:37] <billa0102> so how's the progress on Jaunty going ?
[09:38] <billa0102> I might start using it from the beta stage
[09:41] <HagenaarsDotNu> @billa0102: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule has the date for the last alpha (alpha 6) somewhere today and has the beta on the 26th of march
[09:41] <billa0102> HagenaarsDotNu, yeahI visited it yesterday
[09:42] <billa0102> so about 2 more weeks to go for the beta :P
[09:43] <billa0102> then cleanup/backup process would start to give way for a clean install
[09:43] <billa0102> :)
[09:43] <HagenaarsDotNu> The bugs still present for the alpha 6 milestone (and others) can be found here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/jaunty-alpha-6 the list of open bugs was longer yesterday, so progress is going good.
[09:44] <Sertse> heh, anyways I posted a thread before deciding to submit
[09:44] <Sertse> might be a just me and not a bug :)
[09:44] <billa0102> I've kind of started liking the 6 month release schedule of Ubuntu... atleast that makes me perform backups of my files etc
[10:00] <aboSamoor> Hi, i have problem regarding my Hard Disk, many applications freeze waiting I/O operations in a way that all the system is freezing ! This was not the case in the 8.10 :(
[10:00] <aboSamoor> should I file a bug regarding this ?
[10:00] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: I see that too
[10:00] <BUGabundo> during all jaunty
[10:00] <BUGabundo> not sure if there is already a bug on that
[10:00] <BUGabundo> check LP and linux packages
[10:01] <BUGabundo> if you find something, let me know
[10:01] <BUGabundo> so that I can sub to it
[10:01] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: yes, this problem started since I upgraded. I was not sure in the beginning but now it is very clear
[10:16] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: I found these bugs: bug 174185, bug 228808
[10:17] <melik> synaptics was reset on resume
[10:17] <melik> any of you get that error?
[10:17] <BUGabundo> me
[10:17] <BUGabundo> all the time melik
[10:17] <melik> any idea what it is?
[10:18] <BUGabundo> nope
[10:18] <BUGabundo> never went looking for the cause
[10:18] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: do you think I have to file  a new bug ? and If so, which info I should include ?
[10:18] <BUGabundo> it "just works" (TM) for me
[10:18] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: usually kernel team prefers new bug
[10:18] <BUGabundo> due hw differences
[10:19] <BUGabundo> I never filed one, cause I was hopping to find a root cause something like the schedulre or sata driver
[10:19] <melik> BUGabundo,
[10:19] <melik> do u also see some sort of kinit error
[10:19] <melik> kinit blah blah blah uuid blah blah blah, resuming normal boot
[10:20] <BUGabundo> melik: no kinit error for me
[10:20] <BUGabundo> maybe YOU are affected by the bug behind it
[10:21] <BUGabundo> and need to manually change something that relates to the bug
[10:29] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: I filed this bug 341625
[10:30] <BUGabundo> ping ogassara or apw on #ubuntu-kernel
[10:30] <BUGabundo> ogas is a sleep at this hour
[10:31] <aboSamoor> #ubuntu-kernel
[10:31] <BUGabundo> yeap
[11:02] <yao_ziyuan> i'm with the latest kubuntu jaunty. when i drop a file from QuickAccess to Trashcan, the file stay over Trashcan until i click it. then it says, 'file can't be trashed as it is already deleted'. is anyone with the same problem or am i alone?
[11:03] <yao_ziyuan> back in kubuntu intrepid, there is no such a problem.
[11:04] <yao_ziyuan> file drag-drop between dolphin and dolphin is fine.
[11:05] <bazhang> yao_ziyuan, well it is just an alpha; naturally there will be more problems than a stable release
[11:05] <yao_ziyuan> bazhang: so do you confirm it?
[11:06] <bazhang> yao_ziyuan, the launchpad bug number? is that what you are seeking?
[11:35] <BUGabundo> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libtorrent-rasterbar2_0.14.2-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libtorrent-rasterbar.so.2.0.0', which is also in package libtorrent-rasterbar1
[11:35] <BUGabundo> known prob?
[11:47] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: did you find a bug on it?
[11:47] <BUGabundo> not yet
[11:47] <BUGabundo> busy triaging other older bugs
[11:48] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: ^^
[12:13] <yao_ziyuan> bazhang: i think it's so obvious that it's very likely to be fixed in final release
[12:14] <Hobbsee> that's a *really* crappy excuse for not reporting bugs...
[12:15] <hggdh> "I will not report it because certainly somebody else will".
[12:15] <Hobbsee> anyone else got easy bugs to fix?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> yup
[12:15] <hggdh> And nobody did report it...
[12:16] <Hobbsee> of course they didn't.  But this guy is known for whining, but never reporting bugs.
[12:16] <hggdh> oh, OK
[12:18] <hggdh> ah well. Time to get out of the hotel. bb in 1 hour
[12:20] <ziroday> Hobbsee: I have cookies if that will help
[12:20] <Hobbsee> ziroday: hrm, that could be nice :)
[12:21]  * ziroday DCC send cookies
[12:26] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: you are not talking about me I hope! I file hundreds of bugs during devel branch
[12:27] <ikonia> Hobbsee: yo !
[12:28] <Hobbsee> heya ikonia!
[12:28] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: no, not you ;)
[12:28] <BUGabundo> ahh ok
[12:28] <ikonia> Hobbsee: nice to see you active in +1
[12:29] <CosmiChaos> damn ubuntu boots faster but still its quite slow compared to windows.
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ikonia: don't imagine i'll be much active, but it's kinda nice, yes
[12:29] <ikonia> Hobbsee: that must be limcore
[12:30] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i was meaning yao.  limcore does report bugs, usually containing "epic fail"
[12:30] <bazhang> Hobbsee, hi!
[12:31] <bazhang> long time no see :)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> heya bazhang!
[12:31] <ikonia> ahh
[12:39] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[12:39] <antoranz> so... what can I do with my unusable apt problem?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> cook it on the bbq?
[12:40] <antoranz> I wish I could... really. :-)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> or you could wave the magic wand, to fix it?
[12:40] <antoranz> I don't want to have to reinstall just because apt is broken
[12:40] <Hobbsee> define broken?
[12:40] <antoranz> is there a "in case of emergency" apt package statically linked?
[12:40] <antoranz> I get a segmentation fault
[12:40] <danbhfive_jaunty> antoranz: there is the livecd
[12:41] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> antoranz: google about anna-install apt-udeb, or something similar, i guess
[12:41] <peace_> mm i am on kde and i can't find adept hahahah
[12:42] <peace_> kpacakgekit or something
[12:42] <peace_> sucks
[12:44] <antoranz> well.... adept throws a segmentation fault too
[12:45] <Hobbsee> yes, it would.  anything that relies on apt would.  aptitude may work, though
[12:51] <IntuitiveNipple> I was supporting someone a few weeks ago with an apt issue like that. After a *lot* of drilling down it turned out that some binary that it calls/uses had a same-name manual installation in /usr/local/bin which was masking the expected util
[12:51] <Hobbsee> woah
[12:51] <Hobbsee> did you ever find out where that came from?
[12:52] <antoranz> sigsev
[12:53] <antoranz> I have two scripts in /usr/local/bin... but I don't know where they are from
[12:53] <IntuitiveNipple> The user had built/make install-ed another package that just happened to have a util with the same name... it masked one in /sbin/ or /usr/sbin/ - I can't remember what it was precisely now
[12:54] <antoranz> they comr from rdiff-backup
[12:54] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: ...yay...
[12:54] <Hobbsee> antoranz: argh.  They do too!
[12:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Found the log: The file was /usr/local/bin/update-alternatives
[12:55] <IntuitiveNipple> and it was causing the segfault during dpkg-configure
[12:56] <antoranz> well.... I removed the package, but it's still core dumping
[12:56] <antoranz> dpkg has been working correctly so far, by the way.... I have installed some packages manually
[12:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Can you catch the back-trace?
[12:57] <antoranz> it's already a bug up there
[12:57] <antoranz> let me find it for you
[12:58] <antoranz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/341402
[13:00] <antoranz> I don't want to have to reinstall just because of a problem in apt... but I don't want to sit waiting anymore
[13:00] <IntuitiveNipple> I've seen that bug before to... let me search my support logs see if I can find the resolution again
[13:00] <IntuitiveNipple> s/to/too/
[13:00] <antoranz> by the way.... I idownloaded the last apt, the last libc6-i686 and the last libstdc++
[13:01] <antoranz> installed them with dpkg, still the same seg fault
[13:05] <antoranz> perhaps if I ask dpkg to reinstall all packages?
[13:05] <antoranz> is that possible?
[13:07] <danbhfive_jaunty> antoranz: can dpkg download packages?
[13:07] <antoranz> I tried telling it URLs, but it refuses to.
[13:07] <antoranz> so I download with wget and install
[13:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I've just found the support log... going through it now
[13:10] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz: What does this report: "ls -l /var/log/apt/term.log"
[13:10] <antoranz> the file is there
[13:10] <antoranz> over 450 Ks
[13:11] <IntuitiveNipple> The incident I'm looking at, the permissions/ownership on that file were totally broken such that apt couldn't open the file for writing (discovered using strace) and we had to use a Live-CD to mount the file-system and delete it since it seemed to be held by some undetectable process.
[13:11] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz: what does the command show?
[13:11] <antoranz> -rw------- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-11 07:29 /var/log/apt/term.log
[13:12] <IntuitiveNipple> run this and then upload the log-file to the bug report as an attachment so I can take a look: "sudo strace -o apt-get-strace.log -e trace=file apt-get -f install"
[13:12] <antoranz> I can less it with sudo
[13:14] <antoranz> Done!
[13:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks
[13:16] <antoranz> I mved the file, and now when I do the apt-get update, it doesn't show up
[13:16] <antoranz> but I still get the core dump
[13:16] <antoranz> seg fault I mean
[13:21] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz: Are you able to do "sudo apt-get update" ?
[13:22] <antoranz> sure... the only thing is that it seg faults. :-D
[13:23] <antoranz> after having downloaded the info from the repos
[13:23] <antoranz> Fetched 924B in 2s (461B/s)
[13:23] <antoranz> Fallo de segmentación (core dumped)
[13:24] <antoranz> with strace, it dies at the same point
[13:24] <antoranz> stat64("/var/lib/apt/lists/co.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jaunty_main_binary-i386_Packages", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=7637598, ...}) = 0
[13:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Right. I suspect that file may be corrupt. What does "md5sum /var/lib/apt/lists/co.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jaunty_main_binary-i386_Packages" report as the checksum
[13:28]  * robin0800 where's alpha 6?
[13:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Sitting in QA
[13:29] <Hobbsee> eaten for breakfast.
[13:29] <robin0800> IntuitiveNipple: release time?
[13:29] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm using it for some netboot tests... still can't get the custom initrd to use the netconsole settings, grrr
[13:30] <IntuitiveNipple> What for - good behaviour?
[13:30] <antoranz> ce183ac94c85e08a50ad1691dcca760f
[13:31] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz: You're not alone - Mirv has just reported the same issue
[13:31] <robin0800> IntuitiveNipple: yes very good behaviour if alpha 5 is any thing to go by.
[13:32] <antoranz> well... tell him/her to get his a55 in here. :-) (is that permitted?)
[13:33] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz: Let's get a bigger log :)  ....
[13:33] <antoranz> but let's suppose the file is broken.... that shouldn't produce a seg fault, should it?
[13:33] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz:  "sudo strace -o apt-get-strace-2.log apt-get -f install"
[13:34] <IntuitiveNipple> The fault from the back-trace is a string buffer with no memory allocation (or zero-length)
[13:34] <antoranz> isn't that operation what we did before?
[13:34] <IntuitiveNipple> no, this one captures *everything* not just file operations
[13:34] <IntuitiveNipple> The log will be much bigger
[13:34] <antoranz> want to see it all or do I tell yuo where it dies?
[13:35] <IntuitiveNipple> upload the log to the bug report
[13:37] <antoranz> IntuitiveNipple: there you go
[13:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks. Doesn't reveal anything more unfortunately. Let me check something
[13:39] <antoranz> do I export my terminal to your box? :-D
[13:39] <antoranz> oh, nevermind!
[13:43] <antoranz> by the way... if the file could be corrupt (the packages file, I guess), you want me to try with other repositories? ve, for example?
[13:44] <antoranz> but then is Miv using co repos as well? I think that's unlikely
[13:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I've checked, the md5sum of the one we looked at was okay. I'm comparing the strace log with one I've captured here to see where things are different
[13:48] <antoranz> k
[13:51] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz: The problem seems to be that "var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin" is refusing to be deleted and contains corruption.
[13:51] <IntuitiveNipple> can you show me "ls -l var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin"
[13:51] <antoranz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25165824 2009-03-12 08:34 /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin
[13:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Try deleting it manually
[13:52] <antoranz> sure
[13:53] <antoranz> downloading.....
[13:53] <IntuitiveNipple> Your strace shows the file's contents seem to miraculously reappear despite it being unlinked and opened for rd/rw with O_TRUNC
[13:53] <antoranz> and.... seg fault
[13:53] <IntuitiveNipple> Is that file recreated/still there?
[13:54] <IntuitiveNipple> does it have the same timestamp/size?
[13:54] <antoranz> hey! I mved it and the file is still there
[13:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah... that's what the strace log is showing for apt too
[13:54] <IntuitiveNipple> It looks like you've got some processs holding that file
[13:55] <IntuitiveNipple> try "lsof | grep pkgcache"
[13:55] <antoranz> it's weird
[13:55] <antoranz> I rm it, if i try one ls on the file, I can't see it, if I try on the directory, it's there
[13:56] <antoranz> wait... it's gone now
[13:56] <antoranz> no, it's not
[13:56] <antoranz> ls is showing it
[13:57] <antoranz> now ls is not showing it, but I can still "tab" it to remove it
[13:57] <antoranz> what's going on?
[13:57] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I think that person was ME
[13:58] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: what person?
[13:58] <BUGabundo> robin0800: you can always get a daily build
[13:59] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[13:59] <antoranz> lsof | grep pkgcache shows nothing
[13:59] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz: OK
[13:59] <BUGabundo> "(12:51:18 PM) IntuitiveNipple: I was supporting someone a few weeks ago with an apt issue like"
[13:59] <antoranz> let me retry
[14:00] <antoranz> seems like it didn't show up anymore
[14:00] <antoranz> still got the seg fault
[14:00] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz: check "ps -ef | egrep '(apt|dpkg)' " for any stray processes
[14:00] <antoranz> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 25165824 2009-03-12 09:00 pkgcache.bin
[14:00] <antoranz> (after the update)
[14:01] <IntuitiveNipple> okay, so it is being recreated. There's something in your lists that is causing a problem
[14:01] <antoranz> lsof shows nothing again
[14:01] <antoranz> you mean....lists... like repos?
[14:04] <IntuitiveNipple> the other files in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[14:05] <antoranz> well..... I changed my repos to use venezuelan repos instead
[14:05] <antoranz> and it finished running
[14:05] <antoranz> does that tell you something?
[14:05] <IntuitiveNipple> The pkgcache is created from them, so, if it is deleted it is recreated from those. The weird part is it seems to be triggered on that first file but the checks we've done show the file's checksum is valid
[14:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Really?
[14:05] <antoranz> I swear, man
[14:05] <IntuitiveNipple> I did wonder earlier but after checking the md5sum I discounted an archive issue
[14:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Can you add that information to the bug report please?
[14:06] <antoranz> sure
[14:07] <IntuitiveNipple> hah! Take a look at: http://co.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[14:07] <IntuitiveNipple> See those revealing filenames!
[14:08] <IntuitiveNipple> The update may have meant some of the key files were temporarily out of sync
[14:14] <thiebaude> Has alpha 6 been released?
[14:15] <HagenaarsDotNu> thiebaude: no, not yet
[14:15] <thiebaude> ok
[14:18] <unixdawg> well I found out what was causing alot of my issues mythtv
[14:18] <unixdawg> I rm it and now my system is acting better
[14:31] <antoranz> what filenames?
[14:31] <antoranz> now... are there people of kubuntu here?
[14:32] <antoranz> cause I'm having a problem with kde as well
[14:32]  * IntuitiveNipple hides
[14:32] <antoranz> (just installed xfce... was working on the default session.... + kwin)
[14:34] <CosmiChaos> can somebody play a MPG with Totem?
[14:34] <BUGabundo> humm
[14:34] <BUGabundo> don't know
[14:34] <BUGabundo> I could in the past
[14:35] <BUGabundo> haven't played any recently
[14:35] <BUGabundo> bug divx and wmv works ok CosmiChaos
[14:35] <ripps> How do you force nautilus to refresh it's thumbnails?
[14:35] <BUGabundo> ripps: empty the cache?
[14:36] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: i agree that DIVX and WMF work, but MPEG and X264 dont for me and I cant find any bug related to that or have any information to provide nor do i know if anyone else has got this problem
[14:36] <ripps> BUGabundo: how do I do that?
[14:36] <CosmiChaos> .thumbnails
[14:36] <ripps> just remove .thumbnails?
[14:37] <CosmiChaos> ripps: hold it i try for you mine has 3000 objects
[14:38] <ripps> CosmicChaos: Too late, it's seems to be taking awhile to remove them.
[14:38] <CosmiChaos> yes that worked, opening  my media in nautilus lets totem-video-thumbnailer recreate thumbnails and recreate that folder
[14:39] <CosmiChaos> but still no thumbnails for MPG and X264 are generated :((
[14:39] <ripps> Thank god, I update to gstreamer-ffmpeg fixed that thumbnailer. The world is happy now!
[14:41] <CosmiChaos> ripps:  yeah i saw that upgrade right few secs before i read your sentence, ill check it out
[14:41] <ripps> Hmm... i installed gnome-xcf-thumnailer, but it still won't thumnail my gimp xcf files.
[14:43] <CosmiChaos> ripps: now i have thumbnails for additional X264, yeah, but MPG is still missing :(
[14:44] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: x264 requires extra codecs... I have medibuntu so I play just about anything
[14:44] <CosmiChaos> ripps: oh no sry that was just a cuorrupt video file, the rest of my MPG work, thats it
[14:45] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: i know, but everythings all right, XVID,MPG, FLV and X264 are working now
[14:45] <ripps> BUGabundo: the gnome thumbnailer uses ffmpeg, and ffmpeg uses ffh264 to decode those files
[14:46] <CosmiChaos> nautilus uses totem thumbnailer
[14:46] <ripps> Apparently, according to a bug report, gstreamer-ffmpeg was trying to use vdpau codecs for all machines.
[14:46] <CosmiChaos> that only uses ffmpg if you have totem-gstreamer and the gstreamer--fmpg plugin
[14:47] <ripps> Well apparently that was my case
[14:47] <CosmiChaos> ripps: oh thats nice i have vdaup support
[14:47] <CosmiChaos> but it didnt worked  ;)
[14:49] <ripps> I'm still not getting some thumnails with a few wmv files, but only a couple. It's probably the videos fault, not the thumnailer, because all my other wmv's are thumbnailed
[14:50] <CosmiChaos> ripps: i have same for some mpges, some are now working, some still dont have a thumbnail
[14:51] <ripps> oh well, I'm just happy that 95% are working and not causing the thumbnailer to crash.
[14:53] <CosmiChaos> hehe btw thumnailing is a great way of veryfying if media codecs are supported
[14:54] <CosmiChaos> take a folder with one of any kind, remove .thumbnail and check
[14:55] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: ripps and how is your CPU handling it ?
[14:56] <CosmiChaos> any ideas when alpha 6 will be out
[14:56] <ripps> BUGabundo: Fine, it's obviously spiking and taking up good deal, but it's not really slowing down my other programs
[14:56] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: hehe, wait ill do it again, just finished the job ;)
[14:57] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: just get a daily image... it's the same thing
[14:57] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[14:57] <CosmiChaos> btw that was very fast thumbnailing of about 550 mixed xvid,x263 and mpeg
[14:57] <CosmiChaos> nice done on ext4 :)
[14:58] <CosmiChaos> O.o
[14:58] <ripps> I'm scanning a directory with 1600+ image files, and it's really cooking
[14:58] <tuxxy__> hey is the alpha 6 released today
[14:58] <CosmiChaos>  tuxxy: just get a daily image... it's the same thing
[14:58] <CosmiChaos> ;)))))
[14:59] <tuxxy__> ok ye I was just wondering
[15:00] <ripps> I actually think the thumbnailer is faster than previous versions of ubuntu. Usually a directory with this many image files would take a long time to thumbnail, but now, it's almost done and it's only been like a minute
[15:00] <ripps> Done!
[15:01] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: its not affecting my performance because gnome-video-thumbnailer has a nice value of 19
[15:02] <CosmiChaos> BUGabundo: my ondemand governor stays on lowest mode
[15:02] <CosmiChaos> still its very fast video-thumbnailing about 3-4 per second
[15:03] <CosmiChaos> hmm no max 3 per sec
[15:07] <CosmiChaos> Where can i ask question about new packages??? MyMediaSystem finally went final/stable and the prodeia repo works fine on intrepid and jaunty
[15:09] <BUGabundo> CosmiChaos: ahh?
[15:09] <danbhfive> CosmiChaos: if you just want it packaged, you gota start with a bug report I think.  You can ask in #ubuntu-motu
[15:09] <CosmiChaos> danbhfive: thx
[15:10] <tuxxy__> did anyone get twinview running on jaunty yet as I had issues
[15:11] <blizzkid> lo all. my screen resolution was fine in alpha5, but after a dist-upgrade today (alpha6?) it's dropped to 800 by 600, and I don't have a 1024x600 option anymore (this is on EEE900). Known issue? Is there a fix?
[15:11] <BUGabundo> $ exaile /usr/share/exaile/xl/library.py:17: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead  import md5, os, random, re, threading, time, traceback, gc, sys
[15:11] <BUGabundo> anybody else getting this with exaile?
[15:14] <BUGabundo> great... exaile is memory linking
[15:14] <BUGabundo> *leaking
[15:16] <BUGabundo> $ valgrindB exaile  /bin/sh: Can't open exaile
[15:16] <BUGabundo> bah
[15:17] <benste> asking the same again like in the default ubuntu channel, what or who should I contact to ask for a software update if at the moment V2 of a software is included which is from ~2003 and V 3 from 2007 is aviable ?
[15:17] <benste> danbhfive ?
[15:18] <danbhfive> benste: as someone pointed out, the default answer is no, since jaunty is in feature freeze
[15:18] <benste> I don't want to answer for jaunty, I know about the freeze
[15:19] <benste> but what about feature versions like Koala ? the package seems not to be updated since first ubuntu version
[15:19] <BUGabundo> benste: but u can ask it to koala, and then get it backported
[15:19] <BUGabundo> or use a PPA
[15:20] <benste> BUGabundo: --> where can I ask it - that's my whole question :-)
[15:20] <benste> on LP as a bug?
[15:20] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:20] <BUGabundo> mailinglist would be a great place
[15:20] <benste> which one?
[15:20] <BUGabundo> after filing a bug on LP with package needed
[15:20] <BUGabundo> ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss
[15:21] <BUGabundo> or maybe motu ML (or even irc #) if its in universe
[15:21] <benste> is it possible that I file the bug and you may notice the mailing list, I think you're more familiar with this
[15:21] <benste> it's the following package for jaunty:
[15:21] <benste> tiemu (2.00-4ubuntu2) [multiverse] Texas Instruments calculators emulator
[15:21] <benste> so for multiverse filing a bug?
[15:22] <BUGabundo> benste: sorry but no! I rather have you handle it
[15:22] <BUGabundo> and reply directly to those who make questions on it
[15:23] <benste> ok so first I'll file a bug - which infos should be included?
[15:24] <BUGabundo> package name, version available on repos (apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME shoud do it)
[15:24] <BUGabundo> and the upstream change log and version
[15:35] <benste> bugabundo, is this ok ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiemu/+bug/341779
[15:36] <BUGabundo> benste: I'll have to look for the wiki page about how to request manual sincs and packaging
[15:36] <benste> which wiki page? ;-) thanks for taking the time to take a look on it
[15:37] <rysiek> hi guys
[15:38] <rysiek> I have heard alpha6 is in the works (yeah, I know, probably 90% of people coming here ask this question) - will it be released today (as the Release Schedule suggests)?
[15:38] <BUGabundo> benste: just a bit slow here.. debuging exail mem leak
[15:42] <benste> what'?
[15:48] <bardyr> Hey, how can i mount a software raid0 on a live cd?
[15:49] <BUGabundo> bardyr: server cd, I think
[16:01] <BUGabundo> benste: this may help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/NeedsPackagingBugs?highlight=%28request%29|%28packaging%29
[16:03] <benste> thanks I'll contact them on #ubuntu-bugs
[16:16] <antoranz> IntuitiveNipple: http://maratux.blogspot.com/2009/03/jaunty-apt-is-broken-move-to-another.html
[16:19] <IntuitiveNipple> antoranz: cjwatson 'wished' we had captured the state of your apt files before fixing it, to know what was wrong... fancy going back to the co. mirrors? :)
[16:20] <antoranz> sure... let me try to go back to see if it fails
[16:22] <antoranz> Downloading
[16:23] <antoranz> unfortunately it worked now
[16:23] <antoranz> :'(
[16:24] <IntuitiveNipple> I think it was just the mirrors being updated and you hit it at the wrong time
[16:25] <antoranz> Well.... I'm glad of help..... at least a  little bit.
[16:25] <antoranz> I'm glad I was of help, I mean
[16:25] <yao_ziyuan> anyone using kubuntu jaunty?
[16:25] <antoranz> me!
[16:25] <yao_ziyuan> antoranz: can you drop a file from QuickAccess to Trashcan smoothly?
[16:26] <yao_ziyuan> antoranz: i mean, when you drop it into Trashcan, does it take effect immediately?
[16:26] <antoranz>  can't really... kde doesn't want to start
[16:26] <antoranz> :'(
[16:26] <yao_ziyuan> antoranz: ...
[16:26] <antoranz> I'm sorry, yao
[16:26] <yao_ziyuan> antoranz: did you install kubuntu-desktop?
[16:27] <antoranz> sure... it was working normally till yesterday
[16:27] <antoranz> but now, if I try to start kde, it even "sounds"
[16:27] <yao_ziyuan> i had similar problems in the past.
[16:27] <antoranz> I see the splashscreen
[16:27] <yao_ziyuan> one caused by scim
[16:27] <yao_ziyuan> no, by scim-bridge-qt4
[16:28] <yao_ziyuan> must be one of your startup items
[16:28] <antoranz> what did you do to solve it?
[16:28] <yao_ziyuan> i removed that package
[16:28] <antoranz> let me try... give me a second
[16:28] <yao_ziyuan> maybe you should purge kde and reinstall it
[16:29] <yao_ziyuan> antoranz: that's very long time ago, maybe not relevant to jaunty
[16:29] <antoranz> I don't have the package in my sistem
[16:29] <yao_ziyuan> antoranz: try rename your .kde directory to .kde_old
[16:29] <antoranz> perhaps it's a good idea to deinstall kubuntu-desktop and reinstall
[16:29] <antoranz> give me a while
[16:29] <yao_ziyuan> and then enter a kde session...
[16:31] <antoranz> I just did, but no package went along with it... so I'll try with kde*
[16:31] <antoranz> hold on
[16:34] <antoranz> well... it's ghonna be a while..... like 150 Mbs to download
[16:34] <BUGabundo> is it just me or are jaunty nvidia drivers much slower?? compiz benchmarks show only 60FPS while ibex was 300FPS
[16:42] <BUGabundo> vsync off and now I get 280FPS...
[16:45] <jagez> maybe 60fps = monitor's 60hz refresh..
[16:47] <BUGabundo> LCD laptop
[16:49] <antoranz> I'll check if it starts or not
[16:49] <antoranz> are you there yao?
[16:49] <danbhfive> jagez: that would be a quirky feature if the graphics card drivers help your fps to your refresh rate
[16:50] <danbhfive> maybe it saves power?  A good thing for netbooks?
[16:50] <jagez> but that is what vsync is supposed to do, to prevent frame tearing
[16:52] <BUGabundo> jagez: I never got it too
[16:56] <antoranz> well.... yao went away... but kde didn't start anyway
[16:56] <antoranz> anyone from kubuntu over here?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> not as many antoranz
[16:57] <BUGabundo> but what do you need?
[16:57] <antoranz> well.... kde doesn't want to start
[16:57] <BUGabundo> use failsafe session
[16:57] <antoranz> well... it does start... but I don't get to see anythong of the desktop really
[16:58] <antoranz> I get to see the splash screen
[16:59] <antoranz> but when it disapperas, nothing has changed
[16:59] <antoranz> no panels
[16:59] <BUGabundo> did why have compiz on?
[16:59] <antoranz> Nope.... it's KDE
[16:59] <antoranz> I mean, plain KDE
[17:00] <BUGabundo> kwin then?
[17:00] <antoranz> yes... kwin
[17:00] <antoranz> using the vesa driver (in case you want to know)
[17:00] <antoranz> (intel's driver breaks X completely on my box)
[17:02] <BUGabundo> I'm no dev
[17:02] <BUGabundo> just and (some what experienced) user
[17:03] <BUGabundo> have you filed bugs on your intel driver?
[17:03] <antoranz> let me check on kde's room
[17:03] <antoranz> not really.
[17:05] <BUGabundo> antoranz: file bugs then
[17:05] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp xserver-xorg
[17:06] <tuxxy__> has anyone got twinview working with jaunty
[17:07] <BUGabundo> as opossed to what?
[17:08] <BUGabundo> I some times manage to get dual screen
[17:08] <BUGabundo> not sure with what!
[17:08] <tuxxy__> nvidia
[17:08] <BUGabundo> but recently nvidia stoped working for me
[17:08] <tuxxy__> ya me too
[17:08] <BUGabundo> can't handle large screens
[17:08] <tuxxy__> wondered if you knew a work around for now
[17:08] <BUGabundo> have to use opensource to make it work
[17:08] <BUGabundo> I wish!
[17:08] <tuxxy__> hehe me too
[17:08] <BUGabundo> let me know if you find one!
[17:09] <tuxxy__> ye sure although I have to warn you I been waiting for some time already heh
[17:45] <maxb> tuxxy__: I'm running Jaunty with twinview right now. Has been working fine since I upgraded to Jaunty several alphas ago.
[17:48] <tuxxy__> well it was just that I had issues activating the second screen unable to open monitor or something like that and just wondered if it was fixed
[17:51] <BUGabundo> maxb: lucky you
[17:51] <BUGabundo> nvidia?
[17:51] <maxb> yes
[17:51] <crdlb> twinview
[17:51] <BUGabundo> 1280+1440 won't work hre
[17:51] <BUGabundo> let me plug the LCD and test once again
[17:52]  * BUGabundo starting nvidia-settings
[17:52] <maxb> Don't think I ever used that
[17:53] <BUGabundo> you are right!
[17:53] <BUGabundo> IT WORKS
[17:53] <BUGabundo> it wasn't working 2 days agi
[17:53] <BUGabundo> *ago
[17:53] <BUGabundo> no? what do you use?
[17:55] <maxb> plain old xorg.conf
[17:55] <tretle> has anyone else has issues with the metacity window border not showing
[17:55] <BUGabundo> tuxxy__: its working NOW
[17:55] <BUGabundo> don't know how but it is
[17:56]  * BUGabundo wishes sound was too
[17:56] <BUGabundo> maco: is dan around?
[17:57] <crdlb> tretle: you're actually using metacity?
[18:02] <tretle> for window border, wait gtk window border
[18:02] <thebishop> alpha 6 is due today, correct?
[18:03] <tretle> crdlib - I was using normal effects in the appearence properties but restarted a day or two ago and compiz was not on so switched on again withut errors restarted and it switched off again
[18:04] <tretle> I have to type metacity --replace to get the window border back everytime I restart
[18:04] <crdlb> tretle: install the compiz package
[18:04] <crdlb> it got uninstalled because of a bad update (and because you didn't pay attention to what it wanted to remove :P)
[18:05] <tretle> ah, I usually do only I may have installed without looking before college the other day
[18:06] <tretle> will that fix the window border too?
[18:06] <crdlb> yes
[18:06] <tretle> cool, just finished, must restart and see if it worked, brb
[18:09] <BUGabundo> thebishop: yes. but not out yet. use daily images... should be the same
[18:09] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[18:10] <thebishop> BUGabundo, thanks.  is there anything new in there since Intrepid worth checking out?
[18:10] <tretle> hmmmm.... That fixed compiz but the window borders are still broken
[18:11] <crdlb> is gtk-window-decorator running?
[18:11] <tretle> not when I reboot
[18:12] <tretle> I still need to type metacity--replace to get the window border
[18:14] <crdlb> tretle: so run gtk-window-decorator; does that fix it?
[18:15] <BUGabundo> thebishop: notifications, speed, etc
[18:15] <BUGabundo> gotta g
[18:15] <BUGabundo> *go
[18:15] <thebishop> Is DRI2 working for intel video yet?
[18:15] <BUGabundo> start ubuntu class in a few min
[18:17] <tretle> that didnt fix it
[18:17] <crdlb> do you have ccsm installed?
[18:18] <tretle> no
[18:20] <crdlb> oh, you're not using the nvidia 96 driver are you?
[18:20] <tretle> no
[18:20] <tretle> using open source ati driver
[18:20] <crdlb> at 24 bit color?
[18:21] <tretle> not sure
[18:22] <crdlb> ok, open a terminal and run: killall gtk-window-decorator; compiz --replace &
[18:22] <crdlb> and pastebin the output
[18:41] <tretle> crdlib - http://pastebin.com/mf32fa02
[18:43] <crdlb> looks like the decoration plugin got disabled somehow
[18:44] <crdlb> you can run: gconftool --unset /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/active_plugins
[18:44] <crdlb> which should fix it
[18:46] <tretle> hmmmm.... Thanks, now to restart and see if the changes stick
[18:46] <tretle> brb
[18:47] <crdlb> he really likes restarting ...
[19:24] <Ardorin> Ok, So i made the mistake of selecting the update for normal releases, now i have 8.04 and everything sucks. How do I go back to my old long term release version?
[19:25] <Pici> Ardorin: This channel is only for Jaunty (9.04) alpha support and discussion, please join #ubuntu for all other releases.
[19:26] <Ardorin> Thank you, Pici.
[19:51] <ZeZu> Mar 12 05:57:37 null-desktop pulseaudio[4151]: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large:<PHONE_NUMBER>4506092544 bytes<PHONE_NUMBER>12 ms) Most likely this is a Linux bug. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers  << i have 10gb logs full of this :)
[19:51] <Pici> ZeZu: Are you using Jaunty?
[19:51] <ZeZu> yes
[19:51] <Pici> ZeZu: Then you should be looking for support in here, not #ubuntu .  Plus, log a bug for that
[19:53] <Pici> !bugs
[20:32] <DanaG> EXT4-fs error (device sda7): ext4_mb_release_inode_pa: free 14, pa_free 15
[20:43] <Makzu> Hello
[20:43] <Makzu> I've got a system running a reasonably up-to-date jaunty with ext4 partitions for / and /home
[20:44] <Makzu> I need to shrink one of the ext4 partitions to make some more room, but resize2fs just segfaults
[20:45] <Makzu> Do I have any other options?  I've tried the jaunty boot CD and the gparted live cd
[20:45] <tmeixner> hello, I have an unaccessable kubuntu 9.04 alpha 5 installation because grub got overriden.
[20:46] <tmeixner> Could someone please copy me the kernel and initrd line for their 9.04 grub menu.lst
[20:47] <tmeixner> or is there a way I can get it myself. I can't mount that partition from Intrepid because it's ext4
[20:48] <bruce89> tmeixner: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130328/
[20:48] <tmeixner> Makzu, I shrinked a ext4 partition yesterday from gparted on 8.10 and it worked without problems
[20:49] <bruce89> tmeixner: obviously it'll need adapting
[20:49] <tmeixner> bruce89, that's excactly what I need - thank you very much
[20:51] <Makzu> tmeixner, the version of gparted on the 9.04 alpha livecd doesn't give me the option to resize it
[20:51] <tmeixner> Makzu, , I just used the 8.10 live cd, installed gparted and it worked. But if you hold on 5 minutes I'll check whether the ext4 it's still usuable :-)
[20:52] <Makzu> Is it possible to 'install' an updated .deb in a livecd? I know the newer version lets you resize
[20:52] <tmeixner> Makzu, I had no problems, it's only 10MB or so.
[20:53] <Makzu> cool
[20:54] <tmeixner> I don't know how well it handled my ext4 partition though. I resized it to install 8.10 on it but never accessed it afterwards.
[20:55] <tmeixner> so let's see :-) brb
[20:56] <Makzu> hrm.. the updated gparted still has issues. :/
[21:03] <reptro> is alpha 6 still scheduled for release today?
[21:07] <Makzu> tmeixner: No problems, I trust?
[21:07] <tmeixner> Makzu, well, I don't seem to be able to boot back into my kubuntu alpha installation. Might be gparted broke it although I'm not sure.
[21:07] <tmeixner> grub says Error 15. file not found.
[21:08] <tmeixner> but that might be just me. I installed 8.10 after the alpha and it overrode my grub. Since then I'm trying to reconfigure grub to find it again.
[21:08] <danbhfive_jaunty> tmeixner: maybe the repartition changed the uuids?
[21:09] <tmeixner> I checked the uuids and put a new entry into grub.
[21:10] <tmeixner> http://paste.phlogi.net/grub/
[21:11] <tmeixner> that's my menu.lst, does anyone see something wrong with it. the UUID should be correct
[21:11] <Makzu> I've been able to start resizing and moving my partitions now after updating the gparted and e2fsprogs packages... still kind of surprised that I was able to run synaptic to update the packages on the livecd!
[21:12] <tmeixner> yeah - that's a great feature. I did it once by accident because I forgot I was on the live CD.
[21:13] <Makzu> Heh!
[21:13] <Makzu> I'd imagine that eventually you would run out of memory though?
[21:13] <tmeixner> Makzu, u're testing ubuntu or kubuntu?
[21:14] <Makzu> Straight up Ubuntu
[21:14] <Makzu> Wasn't really able to get into kde 4.2
[21:14] <tmeixner> Doesn't the live CD create something on the filesystem as well?
[21:15] <Makzu> I don't know how it works, actually
[21:15] <Makzu> I remember reading something in the blogs long ago about an overlay FS of sorts that sits in ram
[21:16] <tmeixner> I played around 2 days with KDE 4.2.1 on alpha 5 and I really start to like it.
[21:16] <tmeixner> yes, I think it creates a ramdisk,
[21:17] <Makzu> And then the fs driver can check if the file you want is in the ramdisk before checking the CD in the drive
[21:17] <tmeixner> kubuntu is still crashing a lot on my dell e6400 but if it becomes stable I see myself making the switch.
[21:18] <tmeixner> Makzu, I don't know the details either but it should be possible to just mount a filesystem and use a temporary file on it.
[21:18] <Makzu> I was never really able to make KDE fit with me.. I gave it about a week
[21:19] <tmeixner> I should have taken a screenshot. I configured it actually  like my Gnome desktop with two panels and the menu at the top.
[21:19] <Makzu> I guess it's a good thing there are multiple desktop environments to choose from to suit different preferences
[21:20] <tmeixner> absolutely, it's all preference.
[21:21] <tmeixner> I just bought a 8GB usb stick which I want to take to friends/clients to show them both so they can decide when I go Linux preaching :-)
[21:24] <daftykins> hehe good move
[21:26] <Makzu> Nice
[21:27] <tmeixner> for that matter I think actually KDE might frighten people less because it looks more like windows with the menu structure.
[21:28] <Makzu> Heh
[21:28] <Makzu> Yeah, the first customization I usually do with gnome is switch to a single menu button
[21:28] <tmeixner> Makzu, do you get rid of applications/places/system?
[21:28] <blizzkid> lo all. Screen resolution on my EEE900 dropped to 800 by 600 after today's upgrade, and no option of 1024 by 600. Any idea how I can get it back?
[21:29] <Makzu> Yup
[21:29] <Makzu> Since the single button puts the Places and System in there, along with logout and shutdown
[21:30] <Makzu> It saves me a bit of space on my panel, even though I'm not exactly hurting for space on it
[21:30] <tmeixner> what's the name of this?
[21:31] <Makzu> It's 'Main Menu' rather than 'Menu Bar'
[21:31] <timo> whats the testing channel called ~~
[21:32] <Makzu> The thing that bothered me most about my short foray into kubuntu was the fact that I couldn't bind kwin shortcuts to mouse buttons
[21:33] <tmeixner> ah nice - Main Menu. probably useful for small screens.
[21:34] <Makzu> I have a mouse with entirely too many buttons, and I like to use one of them to trigger the Expose' effect in Compiz.. I forget what it's called
[21:35] <tmeixner> I never investigated that. I mainly use the "nipple" on my laptop.
[21:35] <tmeixner> but there was a shortcut option with each window in 4.2. Is this only for keys then?
[21:36] <Makzu> Only keyboard keys :(
[21:37] <tmeixner> what impressed me with kde were the default applications though. Quassel - easier to configure than xchat which I'm using now. Dolphin is also nice on first sight.
[21:37] <Makzu> I liked Dolphin too
[21:38] <tmeixner> Kate seemed to load quicker than text editor too.
[21:38] <blizzkid> noone knows about the resolution issue?
[21:39] <dtchen> blizzkid: looking in launchpad is likely faster.
[21:39] <tmeixner> blizzkid, u're on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[21:40] <blizzkid> tmeixner: ubuntu
[21:40] <blizzkid> dtchen: I'm looking there too ;)
[21:40] <andersk> My /sbin/lsmod -> ../bin/lsmod symlink has disappeared.  Was that intentional?
[21:41] <tmeixner> Makzu, what sucked on KDE were gtk applications. Firefox had horrible tabs by default.
[21:41] <Makzu> tmeixner: Oh yeah, they were awful
[21:42] <Makzu> tmeixner, And that's kind of a dealbreaker for me too, since I use Weave to keep my firefox bookmarks, passwords, etc in sync between my home and work computers
[21:42] <tmeixner> You could change that in the preferences somewhere but it took me two days to figure that out. I wonder whether it would be a good idea to change the default.
[21:42] <dtchen> andersk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/340666
[21:43] <andersk> Thanks.
[21:45] <tmeixner> I think a lot of people trying KDE the first time will download firefox since they probably haven't used konquerer before.
[21:46] <timo> konquerer proved very instable with me
[21:47] <tmeixner> Makzu, were you able to use the shutdown button in KDE 4.2.1? never worked for me.
[21:47] <Makzu> I don't remember having a problem with it
[21:47] <tmeixner> only worked on the live cd on my laptop.
[21:53] <blizzkid> hmmz, can't find a solution on the net
[21:54] <tmeixner> blizzkid, are you using an alpha version of 9.04?
[21:54] <blizzkid> tmeixner: that's why I am in +1 ;-)
[21:54] <blizzkid> it worked perfect in alpha5, but after todays's upgrade it dropped to 800x600
[21:55] <cdm10> is Alpha 6 legit? It's not up on ubuntu.com/testing, but the url for alpha 6 works.
[21:55] <tmeixner> blizzkid, sorry - just wondering :-) I hadn't any problems with resolution in kubuntu
[21:55] <blizzkid> tmeixner: on EEE too?
[21:55] <tmeixner> no, I have a dell laptop.
[21:56] <blizzkid> I suppose it's something EEE specific
[21:56] <tmeixner> does it use restricted drivers?
[21:57] <tmeixner> blizzkid, is there anything regarding resolution in your xorg logfile that has changed since yesterday?
[22:01] <blizzkid> tmeixner: what logfile is that?
[22:01] <blizzkid> nm, I know what one :) let me see
[22:02] <digitaloktay> 2009-03-12: Ubuntu 9.04 Alpha 6  ??
[22:03] <tmeixner> blizzkid, system - admininstration - system log viewer
[22:05] <blizzkid> tmeixner: I see some errors about virtual resolution
[22:06] <tmeixner> I don't know how it works in detail with newer linux versions but you could check if there is an older xorg.conf file in /etc/X11
[22:07] <tmeixner> or whether it has been replaced recently when your problem started.
[22:11] <nemo> is anyone here running a laptop with jaunty?  I've noticed in the past few days that if I unplug it from the power, the screen goes crazy
[22:12] <nemo> chunks of it flickering and redrawing, and mouse jumping slightly in time
[22:12] <nemo> was trying to think of what recent update might have caused it
[22:12] <maxb> Fine here (thinkpad Z61p)
[22:12] <crdlb> sounds like a video driver issue
[22:13] <tmeixner> nemo, fine here as well, dell with nvidia drivers.
[22:22] <nemo> tmeixner: ah. intel, personally
[22:23] <nemo> guess I can check for intel driver update in last week or so
[22:24] <tmeixner> nemo isn't that part of the kernel if you don't have ati or nvidia drivers?
[22:25] <nemo> tmeixner: well. there's the X11 driver too
[22:27] <bean-oh> how's jaunty running now at alpha 6? mostly useable yet?
[22:27] <crdlb> except when it's not :)
[22:28] <bean-oh> haha
[22:29] <bean-oh> only thing i noticed was ati/fglx wasn't really working yet, but then again it was never really working in intrepid.
[22:29] <bean-oh> (in the wiki i mean)
[22:31] <shadowhywind> Hay all having a bit of problem, every time I try to use glx (either glxgears, or compiz) my laptop will freeze (most of the time within 5 mins), using nvidia btw
[22:35] <Ienorand> Has anything been done about bug 284377 yet?
[22:36] <Ienorand> It's kind of handicapping not to have any networking in ubuntu, you're kind of stuck.
[22:40] <crdlb> bean-oh: do you need fglrx?
[22:41] <bean-oh> crdlb, yeah, i think so. I've tried a few processes to get it working right, but have had no luck in intrepid. so i assume it'll be the same case with jaunty.
[22:41] <bean-oh> i just get a generic driver, and compiz won't start.
[22:42] <crdlb> what model GPU do you have?
[22:43] <Cycom> dtchen: what's crackin?
[22:43] <dtchen> not my audio </hawhawhaw>
[22:44] <Cycom> dtchen: meanie :)
[22:44]  * SeveredCross throws a rotten tomato at dtchen
[22:44] <Cycom> dtchen: I've discovered a new issue too, the mic seems to stutter as well.
[22:44] <Cycom> dtchen: on both the mini 9 and the hp mini 1030nr
[22:45] <Cycom> dtchen: do you want me to file, you know, an actual launchpad bug for these things, rather than just bugging you here?
[22:45] <Cycom> dtchen: also, you asked for some info on the mini 9, so http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=90feb7621f8ebbde682338426719c8da95024ff8
[22:46] <bean-oh> crdlb, i think its the Radeon x1300, but it might be the x1400.
[22:46] <crdlb> bean-oh: that should be able to run compiz in both intrepid and jaunty
[22:46] <crdlb> with the radeon driver
[22:47] <dtchen> Cycom: yes, but i'm fixing the stuttering and the pa glitches in one linux patch
[22:47] <crdlb> bean-oh: also, there will never be a fglrx for that GPU in jaunty
[22:47] <dtchen> Cycom: go ahead and file bugs; i'll see them anyhow
[22:47] <crdlb> so if you want to keep using fglrx, you have to stay on intrepid until ATI changes their mind
[22:47] <crdlb> or the radeon driver gets good enough
[22:47] <bean-oh> crdlb, any idea how to go about that? i'd much rather use the Radeon driver.
[22:47] <ZeZu> changes their mind on what ?
[22:48] <Cycom> dtchen: okie dokie.  how's the bluetooth audio thing going?
[22:48] <dtchen> Cycom: it's not very high priority, TBH
[22:48] <crdlb> ZeZu: never releasing X/kernel compatibility updates for r300-r500
[22:48] <Cycom> dtchen: the bluetooth audio?
[22:48] <dtchen> Cycom: correct. the linux portion affects *all* audio and is thus higher priority.
[22:48] <Cycom> dtchen: I just remember you saying you were dealing with that first.  I'm in no rush for it.
[22:49] <Cycom> oh, do you have any diffs or binaries for me to test?
[22:49] <crdlb> bean-oh: just uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx and make sure your xorg.conf says Driver "radeon", Driver "ati", or has no Driver line at all
[22:49] <dtchen> Cycom: kernel builds are still WIP
[22:49] <Cycom> dtchen: WIP?
[22:49] <dtchen> "work in progress"
[22:50] <bean-oh> crdlb, ok, I"ll give it a shot and see how it behaves.
[22:50] <bean-oh> crdlb, thanks for the help!
[22:52] <Cycom> bean-oh: you're not sure if it's X1300 or X1400 though?
[22:53] <bean-oh> Cycom, actually, i was incorrect altogether. actually I have an intel GPU :( which would explain the difficulty I was having with a raedon driver.
[22:56] <Cycom> bean-oh: yeah that'd do it :)
[22:57] <Cycom> bean-oh: the good news is that most intel gpus work decently with linux and compiz
[22:57] <crdlb> heh
[22:57] <crdlb> bean-oh: intel what?
[22:57] <bean-oh> would that be the fglrx-intel? or is there some specific intel driver?
[22:58] <crdlb> no
[22:58] <bean-oh> crdlb, Cycom - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
[22:58] <crdlb> fglrx == proprietary ati driver
[22:58] <bean-oh> oh, i thought that was gpl
[22:58] <crdlb> FireGL and Radeon X driver
[22:58] <bean-oh> ok
[23:00] <crdlb> the intel driver is alraedy installed: xserver-xorg-video-intel
[23:41] <billybigrigger> muahahahaha
[23:42]  * billybigrigger just installed a new freezer 64 pro and a 9800GTX
[23:42] <billybigrigger> w00t
[23:42] <Guest6524> greets, everyone
[23:43] <billybigrigger> sup
[23:44] <billybigrigger> wow what a difference a new HSF does over stock
[23:44] <contrast> anyone else having troubles with the ati driver in jaunty? when i installed it from the repos and added "Driver "fglrx"" to the device section of xorg.conf, X wouldn't start, and the installer from ATI's website fails with an error message
[23:44] <billybigrigger> have my x2 5000 overclocked from 2.6 to 3.1ghz and running both cores around 9-10c idle
[23:51] <mattparry> Hi! I have alpha 5 installed - is alpha 6 ready to be upgraded to?
[23:52] <maxb> contrast: Yes, ATI have not updated their driver to work with X as new as is shipped in Jaunty
[23:52] <maxb> However, the free radeon driver works pretty well. Well enough to watch DVDs and run compiz, anyway, so I'm happy
[23:52] <contrast> mattparry: unless you're on limited bandwidth, it's ideal to upgrade everyday, especially on pre-releases :)
[23:53] <mattparry> contrast, thanks, I had been upgrading everyday, but it took out my plasma desktop a couple of days ago so I had to reinstall
[23:53] <contrast> maxb: radeon or radeonhd driver, and what card? the default won't do kwin's compositing, so i'm guessing mine's not very well supported by the free driver.
[23:53] <mattparry> i use kubuntu
[23:53] <crdlb> contrast: what card do you have?
[23:53] <contrast> mattparry: same here, using kubuntu w/o issue, except my ati issues
[23:54] <mattparry> lol I have ati issue too - xorg cpu usage is too high, and screen coruption
[23:54] <contrast> crdlb: radeon 3470
[23:55] <crdlb> contrast: yep, free 3d only goes up to r500
[23:55] <maxb> Mobility FireGL V5200, Driver "radeon", Option "AccelMethod" "EXA", Option "DRI" "true"  (some of those may be the defaults, I'm not sure)
[23:55] <crdlb> maxb: all three of them are :P
[23:55] <contrast> gotta go eat, thanks for the info max, crdlb
[23:55] <mattparry> are there release notes for kubuntu alpha 6 - does anyone know?
[23:56] <contrast> mattparry: should be safe to upgrade now - i'm having no kde issues to speak of. i don't think 6 is out yet, it's usually announced on kubuntu.org within a day
[23:56] <contrast> peace, y'all
[23:56] <mattparry> contrast: thanks