[00:00] <defsum> penguin42, I have Mackie Spike (XD-2), actually it's wroking when I installed system while it was connected, but this time I plugged ext. snd card much later
[00:00] <defsum> penguin42, aplay -l: card 0: XD2 [Mackie XD-2], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
[00:01] <penguin42> defsum: And does it show up as the current output in sound preferences?
[00:01] <defsum> penguin42, Yep
[00:01] <reqem> tmzt_: last night i was upgrading to 10.10 when it powered down in the middle of installing. so i had to use recovery mode to fix it and this reinstalled mysql and everything. at the time it asked me to configure mysql but i figured i could just do it later. now i cant uninstall mysql and ive tried 50 different ways.. none have worked. so this is my last ditch effort to not do a clean install.
[00:02] <olskolirc> I'm on Maverick Meerkat and i don't have many options for my kmix channels.  also, how can i tell if my system uses pulseaudio or alsa and does this make the difference with my limited kmix settings please?
[00:02] <penguin42> defsum: Any errors in /var/log/user.log
[00:02] <defsum> penguin42, pulseaudio mixer shows that smth is playing, but actually noone of LEDs on device are lighint, thus it doesn't play
[00:02] <olskolirc> ok i found that meerkat ships with pulseaudio
[00:02] <olskolirc> i want more channels in my kmix how do i get that or switch back to alsa so i get more channels please?
[00:02] <tmzt_> reqem: by recovery mode do you mean root shell?
[00:03] <tmzt_> by configure do you mean set the root password?
[00:03] <penguin42> defsum: hmm so I don't know enough about it to help to be honest, if it's showing up in pulse etc; you could try pasuspender /bin/cat   in a window which will just hold pulse off until you ctrl-d it, and then try sending something straight to one of /dev/snd/*
[00:03] <reqem> tmzt_: no i mean legit recovery mode like with the option to repair broken packages
[00:03] <tmzt_> try dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server-5.0
[00:04] <reqem> tmzt_: ok
[00:04] <penguin42> reqem: Do you mean that it powered off during the installation of mysql or the whole of maverick?
[00:04] <olskolirc> lol @ plow
[00:04] <tmzt_> you don't need to be in recovery mode to do that, just sudo -s
[00:04] <defsum> penguin42, I took a last part: http://pastebin.com/PXZ9BY2f
[00:04] <tmzt_> olskolirc: priority=low
[00:04] <misreckoning> I'm having trouble with sound, it isn't continous, makes noises, and sometimes takes high CPU
[00:04] <olskolirc> i never seen that command before i was thinking sudio apt-get --purge remove sql
[00:04] <misreckoning> how to troubleshoot?
[00:04] <olskolirc> that always worked for me tmzt_
[00:04] <penguin42> defsum: It always moans like that for me on my Intel sound card as well
[00:05] <penguin42> you really need Crimsun for this type of question
[00:05] <defsum> penguin42, I've added snd_hda_intel in blacklists to make list simplier
[00:05] <penguin42> ok
[00:05] <penguin42> defsum: So I'd try suspending pa and seeing if you can get anything out of it without PA first
[00:06] <reqem> tmzt_: how do you troubleshoot to check if the reason a lamp server isnt working is because of mysql or apache?
[00:06] <defsum> penguin42, wait, can't do it such fast)
[00:06] <tmzt_> reqem: tail -f /var/log/daemon or tail -f /var/log/apache/error.log woudl be a good start
[00:07] <tmzt_> you might also look at the output of your php pages to see if they can't connect to the data base
[00:07] <defsum> penguin42, how to "send smth straight" from console? sorry, Im new to linux
[00:07] <tmzt_> or ps aux |grep mysql to see if it's running
[00:08] <reqem> tmzt_: apparently i have neither of those files. the error im getting in the browser is that it just can't connect.
[00:08] <CT1> Hi.  Is there a script or utility to backup all UI settings (panels, icons, themes...) before I start messing about deleting panels and changing themes?  Or is there a document showing all file locations for all those settings?
[00:08] <penguin42> defsum: You should probably check this first  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[00:08] <defsum_> penguin42, how to send random voice?
[00:08] <defsum_> penguin42, ok, I will
[00:09] <tmzt_> reqem: then I would guess apache isn't running
[00:09] <tmzt_> or installed
[00:09] <tmzt_> did you use tasksel?
[00:09] <penguin42> defsum: If you do something like cat /bin/ls > /dev/snd/pcmC?D?p   you should get something hideous sounding
[00:09] <defsum_> penguin42, hope it helps, if not I'll try to talk to Crimsum
[00:10] <misreckoning> if anyone wants to help, I have a report on alsa-project.org
[00:10] <defsum_> penguin42, defsum@dsb:~$ sudo /bin/ls > /dev/snd/pcm
[00:10] <defsum_> bash: /dev/snd/pcm: Permission denied
[00:10] <th1> misreckoning, I have some alsa experience and would take a look but no promises because alsa is always hard ;)
[00:10] <misreckoning> maybe it is due to i7, or on ATI HDMI, or perhaps IRQ... dunno
[00:11] <reqem> tmzt_: not sure. ive tried so many different things lately i cant remember.
[00:11] <penguin42> defsum_: sudo doesn't quite work like that
[00:11] <misreckoning> well, OK :) let me shorten it (the link)
[00:11] <th1> misreckoning, what is the bug?
[00:11] <penguin42> defsum_: Do a sudo -s   and then do the cat and > within that shell
[00:11] <tmzt_> reqem: check dpkg -l |grep apache
[00:11] <misreckoning> th1: sound is noisy, stops, repeats... not continous
[00:11] <nmd> i'm using ubuntu 10.10 and whenever i try to watch live streaming, the streams never load and when they rarely do it takes a long time. anyone know why? (ex: livestream/justin.tv/livestream) everything's up to date and properly configured(afaik)
[00:12] <th1> misreckoning, where is the bug report
[00:12] <th1> misreckoning, or if you don't have one .. some info on your hw
[00:12] <misreckoning> th1: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b42cc712c02f464490188a51ac3bdc2634429214
[00:12] <misreckoning> th1: shortening service too slow right now P
[00:12] <th1> misreckoning, did it work on 10.04?
[00:13] <reqem> tmzt_: its not recognizing the command
[00:13] <misreckoning> yes and it even worked on 10.10 until recent updates
[00:13] <misreckoning> th1: forgot to put your handle in front
[00:13] <CT1> Is there a way to revert to ubuntu default settings regarding themes, icons, panels etc without reinstalling?  Is there a backup/restore utility for those settings?
[00:13] <tmzt_> reqem: dpkg -l |grep apache
[00:13] <dev001> I'm working on a Maverick/powerpc port install.  The KDE PPA @ http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-powerpc/ has far fewer releases available that the PPA  for arch=amd64, e.g.
[00:13] <defsum__> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/mWtFStJy
[00:13] <th1> misreckoning, does it work with plain alsa without pulseaudio..... got to ask
[00:13] <dev001> Is that a repo *problem*?
[00:13] <tmzt_> CT1: easy way is delete the config files in your home directory
[00:13] <misreckoning> th1: dunno, I haven't experimented with that
[00:13] <reqem> tmzt_: ok yup its all installed
[00:13] <th1> misreckoning, thats the first thing to check
[00:14] <misreckoning> th1: what do you suggest, that I kill pulse
[00:14] <th1> becuase its usually a pulse bug
[00:14] <tmzt_> CT1: if you coudl be specific as to what you want reverted
[00:14] <penguin42> defsum_: Yeh, try the ones ending in p - I think c is capture, p is playback
[00:14] <misreckoning> th1: ah OK
[00:14] <reqem> tmzt_: ii = installed right?
[00:14] <th1> misreckoning, yes kill pulseaudio and then try playing a file e.g. with mplayer
[00:14] <tmzt_> reqem: yes, and running?
[00:14] <th1> with mplayer -ao alsa
[00:14] <tmzt_> reqem: /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[00:14] <tmzt_> reqem: then try refreshing the browser
[00:15] <th1> misreckoning, remember that pulseaudio usually respawns by himself (because he always segfaults ;)
[00:15] <th1> so make sure he's not running when you try this
[00:15] <CT1> tmzt_: I want my destop to *look* like it does with a fresh install.  Where are those config files?  I'd like to backup before messing about so I can always revert to something working.
[00:15] <defsum__> penguin42, also: root@dsb:~# ls /dev/snd/by-id/
[00:15] <defsum__> usb-Mackie_Designs_Mackie_XD-2-00
[00:15] <defsum__> root@dsb:~# cat /bin/ls > /dev/snd/by-id/usb-Mackie_Designs_Mackie_XD-2-00
[00:15] <defsum__> cat: write error: Invalid argument
[00:15] <misreckoning> th1: aha, OK thanks :)
[00:15] <reqem> tmzt_: i got a permission error
[00:16] <penguin42> defsum__: Don't you have some /dev/snd/pcmsomethingp files ?
[00:16] <defsum__> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/mWtFStJy
[00:16] <th1> misreckoning, if it's not clear, I hate pulseaudio with a passion ;)
[00:16] <defsum__> penguin42, by-id  by-path  controlC0  midiC0D0  pcmC0D0c  pcmC0D0p  seq  timer
[00:16] <penguin42> defsum__: OK go for the pcmC0D0p
[00:17] <misreckoning> th1: err, well it seems good as a concept to me
[00:17] <defsum__> penguin42, I've tried all of them
[00:17] <reqem> tmzt_: http://pastebin.com/GkJpV6Ms
[00:17] <defsum__> penguin42, cat: write error: File descriptor in bad state
[00:17] <th1> misreckoning, excellent concept..
[00:17] <misreckoning> th1: anyway, I tried to kill it with pulseaudio --kill but it respawns
[00:17] <penguin42> defsum__: Hmm oh yes, it doesn't like me doing that either
[00:17] <th1> do you know how to edit files as root?
[00:17] <th1> and change them back again?
[00:17] <penguin42> defsum__: Oh that's a shame - that used to be an easy way to debug things
[00:18] <th1> misreckoning, if yes then edit /etc/pulse/client.conf and set autospawn = no
[00:18] <reqem> tmzt_: how im dumb. i forgot to start as root.
[00:18] <penguin42> defsum__: Well I'd try aumix and maybe one of the other alsa tools of some form
[00:18] <misreckoning> th1: aaah, thanks man, you haz teh knowledge it seems 8)
[00:18] <tmzt_> as root?
[00:18] <tmzt_> reqem: netstat -tlp |grep 80
[00:19] <defsum__> penguin42, 2 minutes..
[00:19] <reqem> tmzt_: i forgot to add sudo before the command
[00:19] <reqem> tmzt_: it's running now
[00:19] <tmzt_> that doesn't seem like a non-root error, hmm
[00:19] <tmzt_> yeah it is
[00:19] <misreckoning> th1: yeah, it works now like a charm 8)
[00:19] <tmzt_> I didn't even know you could start the init script
[00:19] <reqem> lol me neither
[00:19] <th1> misreckoning, then file a bug report against pulseaudio ;)
[00:19] <misreckoning> th1: if you ever come to Serbia you have a beer xD
[00:19] <th1> not that it'll help
[00:20] <misreckoning> :P
[00:20] <nmd> anyone know why livestream/ustream/justin.tv and any other streaming service wouldn't work?
[00:20] <th1> nmd, is this after upgrading? have you remembered to re-enable medibuntu?
[00:20] <defsum__> penguin42, what should I do with aumix?
[00:21] <penguin42> defsum__: Does it show a sensible looking set of channels?
[00:21] <nmd> it's a clean install. i'll do that now.
[00:21] <th1> nmd, ok
[00:21] <th1> and enable non-free and all that as weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell
[00:21] <th1> sorry keystick
[00:21] <th1> should really file a bug against vinagre for that
[00:22] <defsum__> penguin42, hmm, gui version termites immideatly, console cmd "aumix" says: aumix:  error opening mixer: No such file or directory
[00:22] <reqem> tmzt_: thanks for the help.
[00:23] <tmzt_> so it works?
[00:23] <reqem> yup
[00:23] <reqem> so the problem was apache wasn't running
[00:23] <penguin42> defsum__: Oh that also sucks, that used to work :-(
[00:24] <defsum__> penguin42, :(
[00:24] <penguin42> defsum__: Try alsamixer
[00:24] <reqem> tmzt_: and my /etc/host file wasnt configured properly. i forgot that got overwritten in the reinstall.
[00:24] <defsum__> penguin42, it works fine, but doesn't show mixer itself (it's ok for the most of USB devices)
[00:25]  * th1 smells a pulseaudio regression
[00:25] <Licuadora> Hello, how do I add programs in the side panel in Unity 10.10?
[00:25] <penguin42> defsum__: OK, so if you have pasuspender /bin/cat   running in one terminal   and alsamixer running in the other what options can you see on the card?
[00:25] <defsum__> penguin42, "This sound device does not have any controls."
[00:26] <penguin42> weird
[00:26] <defsum__> penguin42, it's running on 1st window, yep: defsum@dsb:~$ pasuspender /bin/cat
[00:26] <penguin42> defsum__: I give up then I'm afraid, file a bug
[00:26] <defsum__> penguin42, damn it :)))
[00:26] <penguin42> defsum__: In alsamixer what does select sound card let you do?
[00:26] <th1> every new release, and pulseaudio is causing damage
[00:27] <th1> see misreckoning above
[00:27] <penguin42> th1: Hmm not sure if it's any more broken this release
[00:27] <olskolirc> I'm on Maverick Meerkat and i want more channels in my kmix how do i get that or switch back to alsa so i get more channels please?
[00:27] <th1> 9.10 was a complete nightmare and 10.04 was more of a bugfix release
[00:28] <bazhang> th1 then file a bug
[00:28] <th1> for pulse that is ;) not saying anything bad about ubuntu as a whole
[00:28] <th1> filed 2
[00:28] <bazhang> th1, then follow up on it.
[00:28] <th1> but pulseaudio is always buggy
[00:28] <defsum__> penguin42, it gives a choice between (default), Mackie XD-2 (which I need to get working) and "enter device name...", on the first place should also be Intel HDA but I've added it to blacklists in alsa-base directory
[00:28] <th1> bazhang, I did
[00:28] <th1> and it works fine on my netbook now on 10.04
[00:28] <bazhang> th1, complaining here wont do it
[00:28] <nmd> th1: went to medibuntu.org and used the "Repository Howto" link. using their command i get an error saying the public key(gpg) is not available. >.<
[00:28] <penguin42> defsum__: OK, so if you choose the Mackie what happens?
[00:28] <th1> just upgrading it to 10.04 as we speak
[00:29] <th1> nmd, worked for me but you can get by without the repo key
[00:29] <defsum__> penguin42, it's chosen by default, nothing: This sound device does not have any controls. (but it's ok for the most of USB external sound cards)
[00:29] <th1> nmd, it will just print warnings about untrusted source
[00:29] <penguin42> defsum__: Dunno - sorry
[00:29] <defsum__> penguin42, Thank you, anyway :)
[00:30] <nmd> unable to locate package medibuntu-keyring too. >.<
[00:30] <th1> nmd did you run it from the command line?
[00:30] <defsum__> penguin42, I'll give an another try here tomorrow
[00:30] <nmd> yeah
[00:30] <nmd> i cut/pasted it.
[00:30] <penguin42> defsum__: Certainly worth filling the bug
[00:30] <defsum__> penguin42, I'm not sure HOW to do it)
[00:30] <th1> nmd, try running each command individually ie. between the &&
[00:30] <penguin42> defsum__: That debugging sound page I sent you to pointed to using the ubuntu-bug command
[00:31] <th1> and see which one gives an error then paste it to pastebin
[00:31] <defsum__> penguin42, got it, I'll take a look, thank you
[00:31] <th1> nmd, like this one http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or http://codepad.org
[00:31] <defsum__> Bye all
[00:32] <th1> bazhang, and just for the record I realize that pulseaudio (or something like it) is good and necessary but I just don't think the execution is particularly good
[00:32] <th1> since it has caused countless miseries especially for intel audio users
[00:33] <th1> then again we all need something to hate;)
[00:33] <aboSamoor> how can i make my Fn key raise the sound to the max which is more than 100% ?
[00:33] <nmd> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/LB8H5Cxp it can't find the package. the repository is added though.
[00:34] <th1> nmd, you miss the previous step of adding the repo
[00:35] <nmd> no, i did that. i only pasted the part that it error'd on.
[00:35] <nmd> :/
[00:35] <th1> nmd, paste output of apt-get update and of ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[00:36] <nmd> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/FDnWGm4p
[00:38] <KB1JWQ> Is maverick considered stable? :-)
[00:38] <th1> nmd, cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[00:38] <bazhang> KB1JWQ, yep
[00:39] <th1> KB1JWQ, it's frozen but it's not a final .. so make your call
[00:39] <th1> KB1JWQ, heed the warning when you run the upgrade ;)
[00:40] <nmd> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/xpDLf6sh
[00:40] <th1> nmd, it looks ok
[00:40] <nmd> yeah i have no idea what's going on. :/
[00:41] <th1> nmd, I think I read a bug about not being able to install unauthenticated packages
[00:42] <th1> try following the "individual packages" guide from medibuntu.org and add the packages you need e.g mplayer and w32codecs
[00:43] <nmd> i can watch the streams. they just take roughly 5-10 minutes to load versus 2-5 seconds. just aggravating heh.
[00:43] <th1> yeah you need a better plugin
[00:44] <IdleOne> !party
[00:44] <th1> nmd, have you got adobe-flashplugin installed
[00:45] <jjcm> Oh rigght
[00:45] <jjcm> when is 10.10 out anyway?
[00:45] <bazhang> 10.10
[00:46] <th1> jjcm, 10/10/10 ;)
[00:46] <jjcm> I'm aware bazhang
[00:46] <jjcm> oh
[00:46] <th1> works in all languages
[00:46] <jjcm> figures th1
[00:46] <bazhang> jjcm, hmm?
[00:46] <th1> 11/11/11 is going to be bigger though ;)
[00:46] <nmd> yeah i do. youtube works great, flash everywhere works great. it's just livestreaming through flash that's terrible.
[00:47] <jjcm> "Want to make Ubuntu 10.10 a 10 out of 10?" wow that's cheezy
[00:47] <th1> 10.10 should have been released a month ago.. 9/10 is more realistic
[00:48] <th1> 11.10 is more likely to be 10/10 ;)
[00:48] <th1> but then windows is 7/10 tops, so who cares
[00:49] <th1> nmd, are you sure its using the proper flash plugin?
[00:50] <th1> because sometimes, it uses the open source thing by default and that sucks for some sites but other sites have fixed themselves up so it works ok
[00:51] <th1> nmd, try this link http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html
[00:51] <Typh> hmm, holding a key doesn't send multiple keystrokes, even though the setting is checked in keyboard settings
[00:51] <th1> Typh, is it a dell usb keyboard?
[00:52] <jjcm> th1: depends what for - for "normal" users I'd still rank windows as having a better desktop experience.
[00:52] <Typh> turning it on and off fixed it. I guess false alarm?
[00:52] <Typh> nah, thinkpad w510 keyboard
[00:52] <nmd> yeah it's using adobe flash 10.1
[00:52] <jjcm> th1: for server use, well... yea no contest there with linux winning.
[00:52] <jjcm> windows servers are just embarassing
[00:52] <th1> jjcm, for gamers yes, for mainstream who want to pay for all their individual apps yes.. for parents, no, for netbooks, no
[00:53] <th1> jjcm, but its a bit o/t :p
[00:53] <jjcm> For netbooks yea probably, but for the technologically illiterate
[00:53] <jjcm> meh
[00:53] <jjcm> I dont recommend it for them yet
[00:53] <jjcm> Harder to break?  Also yea.
[00:54] <th1> while with ubuntu you can help them from remote :)
[00:54] <IdleOne> !language | th1
[00:54] <th1> ftw
[00:54] <jjcm> Yea but if I'm off in antarctica for six months and unable to get internet
[00:54] <jjcm> and I know that my mom will find a way to break her computer someway somehow
[00:54] <jjcm> I'm not going to give her ubuntu while I'm gone.
[00:55] <krzysz00> anyone here know ow to fix the nbidia black screen problem in
[00:55] <krzysz00> 	   10.10?
[00:55] <jjcm> If I cant ssh in, I also can't expect her to find other help on her own
[00:55] <penguin42> jjcm: Going to see the penguins?
[00:55] <th1> at least with ubuntu she is less likely to get it broken by visiting a random website that gave her a virus that then stole her credit card and infected all her programs and defaced all her facebook friends' profiles
[00:55] <jjcm> penguin42: Maybe, waiting to hear back from Raytheon
[00:55] <jjcm> penguin42: They're hiring right now for antarcic positions
[00:56] <jjcm> th1: Yep, true. But when her sound breaks (even if it's hardware), it'll be hard to find a shop to fix it for her
[00:56] <th1> jjcm, not true, small local independent shops usually give far better service than big chains and are run by geeks
[00:57] <jjcm> th1: yes, but she doesn't know that
[00:57] <th1> jjcm, which is why you/we have to educate her
[00:57] <jjcm> Exactly - but my point is that it requires that level of education
[00:57] <th1> yes
[00:57] <jjcm> thus, harder to use out of the box
[00:57] <th1> but its not tech education
[00:57] <olskolirc> im going back to Lucid meerkat is a resource hog and i googled it and im not the only one and its impossible to get all the channels you want in kmix with the shipped default pulseaudio AND there is no /media/cdrom or cdrom0 it switched to /dev/sr0 and CAN NOT be mounted nothing in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[00:57] <th1> its philosophy ;)
[00:58] <jjcm> Still though, it's another step
[00:58] <th1> yeah
[00:58] <olskolirc> i might even just go back to debian!
[00:58] <jjcm> Plus it binds me to them
[00:58] <th1> but win 7 is going to boil her children in icelandic lava
[00:58] <jjcm> any future issue they have
[00:58] <jjcm> will be one that I'm responsible for
[00:58] <jjcm> I dont want to have to deal with that
[00:58] <olskolirc> with debian supported plasma but its kde 3x
[00:58] <jjcm> They're rich, make them pay for their support,
[00:58] <th1> jjcm, you're lucky because I already had to deal with that when my dad was running win xp;)
[00:58] <olskolirc> wish*
[00:59] <th1> so now its better with him running ubuntu
[00:59] <th1> at least I can ssh in and fix his breakage
[00:59] <jjcm> I give it another 3.5 years
[00:59] <th1> jjcm, less :)
[00:59] <jjcm> I have high hopes for ubuntu 13.04
[00:59] <th1> unless microsoft sues Linux
[01:00] <jjcm> Who would they sue?
[01:00] <th1> I think 12.04 will be a milestone to remember
[01:00] <jjcm> Canonical?
[01:00] <jjcm> Linus?
[01:00] <th1> yes
[01:00] <th1> they already tried with sco and now oracle is doing their bidding
[01:00] <jjcm> Meh
[01:00] <th1> when they are pressed enough they will try everything
[01:00] <jjcm> Ubuntu would continue on even if canonical died a bloody and horrible death
[01:00] <th1> yeah
[01:01] <th1> but it's not going to happen unless MS feel death cramps
[01:01] <jjcm> You can't cut the head off a snake if it's a hydra.
[01:01] <th1> because they know the outcry will be almost as bad as losing in a fair ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccompetition
[01:01] <th1> well
[01:01] <th1> they can make it suck to try to make money on it
[01:01] <jjcm> I dont see them losing any time soon - they still have the US government under their belt
[01:02] <th1> with patent lawsuits etc
[01:02] <th1> yes and linux has enough powerful users to ward them off
[01:02] <th1> but it will be a monumental battle...
[01:02] <jjcm> Patent lawsuits dont always cross borders :D
[01:02] <th1> "the OS wars of the 2010's"
[01:02] <Acidphase> maybe someone can shed some light on this, using  2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu , OpenGL version string: 1.4 , can't seem to get direct rendering going... (yes I have the dri module set in the xorg.conf)
[01:03] <jjcm> I dont see linux gaining a significant market share until 2020
[01:03] <Acidphase>  glxinfo | grep direct
[01:03] <Acidphase> direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)
[01:03] <th1> jjcm, I think you are wrong on that
[01:03] <th1> its already significant
[01:03] <jjcm> 5%?
[01:03] <jjcm> (of the desktop market, that is)
[01:03] <th1> up from 0.1%
[01:03] <jjcm> (I'm not talking server)
[01:03] <jjcm> th1: early adopters and tech heads
[01:04] <th1> yeah but look at the growth rate
[01:04] <jjcm> it's the soccer mom market that's going to be hard
[01:05] <Amaranth> jjcm: Cell phones, media servers, netbooks, etc
[01:05] <Ken8521> don't worry, here in a few years, all pc's sold in stores are going to be Google OS
[01:06] <Ken8521> phones will all be android.. apple will probably still have a corner market, like they do now
[01:06] <th1> Ken8521, at least google os is ubuntu ;)
[01:06] <tensorpudding> android may be running the linux kernel, but android phones are not free
[01:06] <th1> right
[01:06] <th1> google wants to free the OS not enslave it
[01:06] <Ken8521> tensorpudding, the phone isn't, but the software is.. just like Ubuntu is free, but the laptops/pc's you put them on isn't
[01:06] <th1> they have no interest in providing the desktop as long as they can control it ;)
[01:07] <tensorpudding> the software is not necessarily free
[01:08] <jjcm> Ken8521: And businesses will still have microsoft
[01:08] <Ken8521> jjcm, only till everything they use is not compatible w/ their customers
[01:08] <tensorpudding> the carriers add so much shit to the phones, and arbitrarily restrict your freedoms over the software
[01:08] <jjcm> dont get me wrong, I'd love to see MS die a fiery death
[01:08] <Ken8521> they'll hav eno choice but to switch
[01:08] <jjcm> but I dont see it happening in the near future
[01:08] <Ken8521> telling you guys, 10yrs, tops... Google is gonna run most everything.
[01:08] <tensorpudding> anyway, there's the lawsuit
[01:09] <jjcm> oracle vs google?
[01:09] <th1> jjcm, the thing you forget is that microsoft is a public company.. as soon as they start losing critical mass they go downhill very very fast
[01:09] <tensorpudding> yeah
[01:09] <Ken8521> yup
[01:09] <jjcm> th1: A public company that's backed by the US government
[01:09] <jjcm> Nothing dies quickly in government.
[01:09] <tensorpudding> google's case rests on the patents not being enforceable, but what will happen if the judge rules otherwise
[01:09] <BUGabundo> a apanhar o pouca-terra para  caminha
[01:09] <th1> jjcm, the us government is a very small customer in the grand scheme of things
[01:09] <Ken8521> jjcm, well, as long as barak isn't running the govt, the people won't be investing in companies that are bankrupt
[01:10] <jjcm> th1: their largest single customer though.
[01:10] <Ken8521> jjcm, doesn't matter, the govt can switch just as easily as any other company... yeah change comes slower in the Govt, but...
[01:10] <th1> jjcm, that will change if they look unsustainable
[01:10] <th1> nobody backs a lame horse
[01:10] <jjcm> Ken8521: The USG has contracts through 2018 with MS
[01:10] <th1> even the US government
[01:10] <Ken8521> when they are completely incompatible w/ their associates, subcontractors, etc.. they'll have to switch
[01:11] <tensorpudding> in any case, android might become numerically dominant but it's still playing second-fiddle to apple in terms of mindshare and profitshare
[01:11] <Ken8521> jjcm, irrelevant.. govt's buy out contracts all the time
[01:11] <tensorpudding> and i sure don't see that changing
[01:11] <jjcm> th1: I dont think you've ever worked in government.
[01:11] <th1> Ken8521, I suspect MS will start interoperating at that point ;)
[01:11] <WXZ> if I have 2 hard disks, doesn't that mean I have two MBRs?
[01:11] <Ken8521> th1, oh i doubt that
[01:11] <WXZ> if each has an operating system on it?
[01:11] <Ken8521> WXZ, technically, i'd guess so.. but the computer boots the MBR, of the master drive
[01:11] <Ken8521> or the first drive in the boot sequence
[01:12] <Ken8521> why do you ask?
[01:12] <WXZ> ok, so I can install windows on my non master partition
[01:12] <WXZ> and it won't overwrite the MBR
[01:12] <Ken8521> no, it will
[01:12] <WXZ> :|
[01:12] <WXZ> anyway I can install grub after installing windows?
[01:13] <Ken8521> WXZ, if it bothers you that badly, download mbrfix, backup your current mbr.
[01:13] <jjcm> Yep
[01:13] <Ken8521> WXZ, of course.. from a live CD.
[01:13] <WXZ> I ran the Karmic Live CD, it didn't have an option to install grub
[01:14] <Acidphase> WXZ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:14] <WXZ> that's the *Karmic* CD though, I have the maverick one too
[01:14] <Ken8521> WXZ, first, what Ubuntu OS is on your hard drive.
[01:14] <Ken8521> WXZ, is maverick on the hard drive?
[01:14] <WXZ> yes
[01:14] <Ken8521> hold on
[01:14] <Acidphase> That link will work
[01:14] <Ken8521> WXZ, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[01:15] <Ken8521> follow the instructions to restore grub2
[01:15] <WXZ> ok
[01:15] <Ken8521> Acidphase, i don't think that works for grub2(i'm almost positive it doesn't actually)
[01:15] <Acidphase> I used it myself
[01:15] <Acidphase> it works
[01:15] <Acidphase> =P
[01:15] <Ken8521> Acidphase, for grub2?
[01:15] <Acidphase> yep
[01:16] <Acidphase> grub-install --version
[01:16] <Acidphase> grub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-5ubuntu3
[01:16] <Ken8521> hmm
[01:17] <Acidphase> worked 1..2..3
[01:17] <Acidphase> I have a different issue though
[01:17] <Acidphase> that I cant get fixed
[01:17] <Acidphase> lol
[01:17] <Acidphase> maybe someone can shed some light on this, using  2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu , OpenGL version string: 1.4 , can't seem to get direct rendering going... (yes I have the dri module set in the xorg.conf)
[01:18] <Acidphase> glxinfo | grep render
[01:18] <Acidphase> direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)
[01:18] <Acidphase> OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
[01:18] <Ken8521> thats' cuz ATI sucks
[01:19] <Acidphase> tell you one thing they are pain in the ass
[01:19] <Ken8521> with linux? absolutely
[01:19] <Acidphase> first time I tried ATI in over 10 years
[01:19] <Acidphase> personally I'd take 3dfx baxk
[01:19] <Ken8521> they'er not so bad w/ Windows, but i'd never have one in Linux.. and since i build my own.. .no fear..
[01:19] <Ken8521> brb
[01:19] <Acidphase> ati used to be a nightmare with windows to
[01:21] <Acidphase> well I liked this board and I want to setup crossfire .. and being the Crosshair III doesn't support sli this is what I enede up with
[01:21] <Acidphase> ended*
[01:22] <head_victim> \
[01:22] <Acidphase> get great frame rates in UT2004 though in LInux
[01:22] <head_victim> Oh that was meant for that terminal over there -------> sorry
[01:23] <Acidphase> no biggy
[01:30] <Typh> spoke too soon
[01:30] <Typh> hmm, holding a key doesn't send multiple keystrokes, even though the setting is checked in keyboard settings. It'll work briefly if I uncheck and checck it.
[01:33] <Ken8521> Typh, does here
[01:34] <Typh> Ken8521: pardon?
[01:34] <cwillu> Typh, got any weird remote x or vnc things running?
[01:34] <Ken8521> you said holding a key doesn't send multiple strokes.. was just saying it does here
[01:35] <Typh> cwillu: oh snap, I am! Using synergy
[01:35] <Typh> turning it off to see if anything changes
[01:35] <cwillu> synergy is the x2x remake?
[01:35] <cwillu> !info synergy
[01:36] <cwillu> ooo, packaged and everything
[01:36] <cwillu> I'll have to start using that at work
[01:36] <Typh> quicksynergy is a great no-config gui for it that runs cross platform
[01:36] <Typh> wait, maybe not windows
[01:38] <cwillu> x2x had a thing about disabling keyrepeat on the local side, so that the remote side's repeat settings worked properly
[01:38] <cwillu> so I'd guess that it got that state confused
[01:39] <cwillu> or you might just have to restart synergy after changing that setting
[01:39] <Typh> I'll play around with it
[01:39] <cwillu> educated guesses, given that I haven't looked at the source yet, but I'm usually right :p
[01:40] <intrader> My 10.10 RC Brasero application does not start from either the Application or the context menu. Ubuntu 9.04 has no problems with burning an iso.
[01:41] <cwillu> intrader, try running it from a terminal and see if it does anything different
[01:41] <cwillu> intrader, by 9.04 you mean 10.04?
[01:42] <cwillu> (if you really mean 9.04, realize that you're quite a few versions behind, and you should at the very least check whether 10.04 works)
[01:46] <intrader> cwillu, I don't have 10.04 running - only 10.10 RC. I have noticed that on this computer where updates have occurred to 9.04, 9.04 does not work either. Only in a laptop where I have not updated 9.04, the disk burner works (I don't know which one it is)
[01:48] <intrader> cwillu, and the command is `brasero`?
[01:49] <cwillu> intrader, this doesn't sound like a 10.10 problem to be honest
[01:49] <cwillu> intrader, check the tab completion
[01:52] <intrader> cwillu, `which brasero` answers /usr/bin/brasero. From the 'Applications--Sound&Video-->Brasero Disk Burner' or from the context menu of the .iso file, brasero does not start. What command should I issue in the terminal?
[01:54] <cwillu> intrader, the first one that comes into your head
[01:54] <Ken8521> brasero just sucks.
[01:54] <Ken8521> how they decided it should replace gnomebaker, i will never understand
[01:55] <intrader> cwillu, `brasero 'Mono*.iso` comes up but disappears once I insert the blank CD and dismiss the dialog from the CD.
[01:55] <cwillu> intrader, "brasero"
[01:56] <cwillu> and then copy any output to a pastebin
[02:04] <tehk> I am having issues with one of my two side buttons on my 5 button intellimouse explorer 2.0. The big side button does not work and is not detected by either 'xinput test' or 'xev'
[02:05] <tehk> It worked in previous installs
[02:05] <tehk> I mean previous versions
[02:12] <intrader> cwillu, `brasero 'Mono*.iso` comes up but disappears - segmentation fault
[02:14] <cwillu> intrader, "brasero"
[02:15] <intrader> cwillu, `brasero 'Mono*.iso` comes up but disappears - segmentation fault as soon as the dialog that pops up when I insert the blank CD (not the brasero dialog) but the 'Blank CD_R Disc dialog'
[02:15] <cwillu> not "brasero with extra parameters"
[02:15] <intrader> cwillu, `brasero 'Mono*.iso` comes up but disappears - segmentation fault as soon as the dialog that pops up when I insert the blank CD (not the brasero dialog) but the 'Blank CD_R Disc dialog'
[02:15]  * cwillu adds intrader to his ignore list
[02:16] <intrader> cwillu, thanks for that vote - poor manners
[02:27] <intrader> Anyone, `brasero` ---> segmentation fault.
[02:34] <ChogyDan> intrader: have you tried reinstalling it?
[02:44] <Endafy> will 10.10 work better with nforce than 10.04 did?
[02:52] <fudoreaper> i am trying to boot from USB
[02:52] <fudoreaper> i used the usb-creator-gtk tool with 10.01
[02:53] <fudoreaper> -server, AMD 64
[02:53] <fudoreaper> after SYSLINUX, i get a boot prompt and "could not find kernel image: linux"
[02:55] <fudoreaper> any idea what's wrong, or a better way to create a boot USB?
[02:58] <mark2010> hi, all of a sudden i get a kernel panic on 2.6.35-22-generic and recovery mode at boot, VFS: cannot open root device. 2.6.32-25 works any ideas?
[03:08] <trans123> i'm running 10.10rc on vbox, its asking for username n password, all of my efforts are failed, what should i give there
[03:09] <lapion> mark2010, the thing about kernel panics that suddenly happen als of a sudden, they rarely are all of a sudden.
[03:10] <lapion> trans123, did you install it onto the virtual disk, or are you running from iso image ?
[03:10] <trans123> running from iso
[03:11] <mark2010> lapion: had things going well with 10.10 rc and then kernel panic. booted for a week or so after resolving white screen issue.
[03:12] <jeiworth_> trans123, are you in the live system? usually it shouldn't ask for anything, but i beleive the default user there is ubuntu pw ubuntu
[03:12] <trans123> tried already
[03:12] <lapion> trans123, it should be ubuntu with no password
[03:13] <jeiworth_> yes, in the terminal a $ sudo su - should give you root access wihtout entering any pw
[03:13] <trans123> lapion thanks it worked
[03:14] <bazhang> jeiworth_, sudo -i not sudo su
[03:14] <jeiworth_> bazhang, try it ;)
[03:14] <bazhang> jeiworth_, no, its not supported, so dont suggest it please
[03:15] <jeiworth_> bazhang, not supported? please explain, it's that standard way to drop into a root shell?
[03:15] <lapion> mark2010, when does the kernel panic appear
[03:15] <jeiworth_> s/that/the
[03:15] <bazhang> jeiworth_, sudo -i is, yes
[03:16] <jeiworth_> bazhang, well, ok.. but what are the implications using sudo su - instead of sudo -i?
[03:17] <lapion> jeiworth_, su changes full users id to root
[03:17] <bazhang> jeiworth_, sudo -i sets the appropriate parameters
[03:18] <mark2010> lapion: after i choose 2.6.35-22 generic or recovery. looked at the grubs with the earlier kernal , .32-25, and seems the same as i had. ran update-grub and looked ok
[03:19] <lapion> mark2010, try update-initramfs
[03:20] <jeiworth_> bazhang, just reading the man sudo page, so sudo su won't read the .profile from /root/ sudo su? interesting...
[03:20] <lapion> mark2010, don't say all of a sudden, say it happened after upgrading to meerkat
[03:22] <mark2010> lapion: will try. ok, after upgrading and running meerkat for a couple weeks. LOL
[03:22] <intrader> Anyone, `brasero` ---> segmentation fault.
[03:23] <jeiworth_> 10.10 working real nice btw, noticed that wake-up from sleep has greatly improved
[03:24] <lapion> mark2010, the kernel 2.6.35-22.nn is regularly upgraded nn version changes
[03:24] <lapion> intrader try reinstallling brasero
[03:25] <mark2010> lapion: thanks trying the update now.
[03:25] <lapion> mark2010, try: update-initramfs -k all -c
[03:27] <mark2010> lapion: TY. that was my next question.
[03:28]  * lapion has psychic powerz
[03:28] <intrader> lapion, I have removed and then install - same results upon issuing `brasero`
[03:29] <lapion> intrader, how do you "issue" brasero ?
[03:29] <intrader> lapion, `brasero` from the terminal
[03:33] <mark2010> lapion:that generated 2 files, both kernels i have.
[03:33] <lapion> intrader, first try rebooting so all tmp files get cleared, if that doesn't help try first removing all config files in home directory: try mv ./.gnome2/brasero.session ./.gnome2/brasero.session.tmp ; mv ./.config/brasero ./.config/brasero.tmp ; mv ./.gconf/apps/brasero ./.gconf/apps/brasero.tmp
[03:33] <lapion> mark2010, now reboot
[03:34] <mark2010> lapion: TY. so i can remember, does that mean initiate ram file system?
[03:35] <lapion> mark2010, no it recrates the ramfilesystem that is loaded at boot, which contains all drivers needed before mounting rootfs where the kernel can find all other non essential drivers
[03:36] <lapion> *recreates
[03:37] <mark2010> lapion:ok. BRB
[03:45] <mark2010> lapion:perfect. thank you very much! for future, does that file get overwritten, or maybe mine just got corrupted?
[03:46] <lapion> mark2010, probably never got created
[03:46] <lapion> mark2010, check apt-logs
[03:46] <intrader> lapion, after reboot, same
[03:46] <mark2010> lapion: ok.
[03:46] <lapion> intrader, did you do the mv's I told you to ?
[03:48] <intrader> lapion, after reboot, no as there is no brasero under ./.gnome2
[03:50] <intrader> lapion, what I have under ./.gnome2 is accels, file-roller, keyrings, panel2.d, backgrounds.xml, gedit, nautilus-scripts
[03:55] <olskolirc> if im on karmic, will i be foreced to upgrade to kde5x when 10.10 comes out in a few days?
[03:56] <lapion> intrader, did you dothe whole line:  mv ./.gnome2/brasero.session ./.gnome2/brasero.session.tmp ; mv ./.config/brasero ./.config/brasero.tmp ; mv ./.gconf/apps/brasero ./.gconf/apps/brasero.tmp
[03:57] <lapion> the first one is not the most important one.. if there is no brasero.session doesn't matter..
[03:58] <intrader> lapion, there is no brasero.session under ./.gnome2
[03:58] <intrader> lapion, must be failing before it established the session.
[04:00] <lapion> intrader, brasero.session is not important.
[04:00] <lapion> are you still running brasero filename*.iso ?
[04:01] <intrader> lapion, yes I want to burn the iso with brasero.
[04:02] <lapion> yeah but do not do brasero filename*.iso
[04:02] <lapion> do not use "*"
[04:02] <intrader> lapion, I don't understand, the first mv will fail if brasero.session is not there
[04:03] <intrader> lapion, I do `brasero` - no file name
[04:04] <lapion> intrader, what do you get when you do pgrep brasero ?
[04:05] <intrader> lapion, nothing
[04:05] <lapion> intrader, if mv ./.gnome2/brasero.session ./.gnome2/brasero.session.tmp files then simply only do : mv ./.config/brasero ./.config/brasero.tmp ; mv ./.gconf/apps/brasero ./.gconf/apps/brasero.tmp
[04:06] <lapion> intrader, if mv ./.gnome2/brasero.session ./.gnome2/brasero.session.tmp files then simply only do : mv ./.config/brasero ./.config/brasero.tmp ; mv ./.gconf/apps/brasero ./.gconf/apps/brasero.tmp
[04:06] <lapion> brasero.session is of no importance if it does not exist it does not exist
[04:07] <intrader> lapion, no brasero under ~/.config
[04:08] <lapion> intrader, do sudo apt-get purge brasero
[04:08] <lapion> intrader, then reinstall brasero
[04:09] <intrader> lapion, after purge, I do `sudo apt-get install brasero`
[04:10] <intrader> lapion, same, same `brasero` --->segmentation fault
[04:14] <intrader> lapion, why does `pgrep brasero` answer nothing?
[04:14] <lapion> means there is no stale version of brasero running..
[04:16] <lapion> intrader, pgrep brasero greps ps for any running instances of brasero and gives it's process number
[04:16] <lapion> intrader, sometimes if there allready is a version of a program running it tend to segfault
[04:17] <intrader> lapion, it has been a long day - would you mind if we table this. Thanks for the pgrep lession
[04:17] <lapion> intrader, I knew you where tired or something.. or maybe you have even drunk a bit of alcohol
[04:17] <lapion> drank
[04:20] <donvitoo> how to install identd on maverick
[04:20] <donvitoo> ?
[04:22] <mark2010> lapion: didn't find that Log with apt-get. or using whereis. im lost
[04:28] <FireCrotch> I have a question about getting a package update into Maverick... I know, everything is frozen, but the bug that it fixes is, in my opinion, major enough to warrant a freeze exception.  Does anyone know who I should talk to?
[04:29] <bazhang> FireCrotch, which package
[04:30] <FireCrotch> bazhang: libdrm
[04:31] <FireCrotch> bazhang: it resolves a problem with a basic feature that a lot of users expect to work - dual monitors in a side-by-side configuration
[04:32] <bazhang> FireCrotch, good question; not sure who to refer you to though
[04:32] <bazhang> a bug fix should make it in at any time though
[04:32] <bazhang> ie 5 days hence
[04:35] <Flynsarmy> In nautilus when i press F2 it highlights the entire filename instead of just the stuff before the extension. Is this a bug in maverick or am i missing a setting somewhere?
[04:45] <glebihan> Flynsarmy: works good for me, lemme check if there's some configuration about that
[04:48] <Flynsarmy> surprised this channels not more active with 2 days to go before final release
[04:49] <glebihan> Flynsarmy: I can't find any configuration for that
[04:50] <glebihan> Flynsarmy: does it have the same behavior if you right-click and select "rename" ?
[04:52] <Flynsarmy> glebihan: yes, it highlights everything including ext
[04:53] <Flynsarmy> This is pretty hard to explain but in prev versions of ubuntu a weird bug-ish thing happened every now and then where if i'd click on a file/folder it'd try to rename. If i pressed enter, it would do nothing. Closing and reopening nautilus would fix this issue - but that version of rename looked a little diff to the standard f2/right click->rename version. This looks like that weird version of rename
[04:54] <Ken8521> no offense, but that didn't make sense at all.
[04:54] <Flynsarmy> haha yea
[04:54] <Flynsarmy> just ignore that then :) the issue still remains in karmic that if i f2, it highlights full filename :S
[04:55] <glebihan> Flynsarmy: I've noticed thing like that in the past too, but I think those were only issues with display refresh
[04:55] <Flynsarmy> glebihan: thats qutie possible
[04:56] <Flynsarmy> I'm on a clean version of maverick, not an upgrade. this issue has been happening since i installed it
[04:56] <Flynsarmy> i've installed all the latest updates from teh ubuntu repository aswell
[04:56] <Flynsarmy> One thing i can note is that i went into gconf-editor and set the location bar to always use text instead of buttons. would that have caused it?
[04:58] <Flynsarmy> Oh, also i set nautilus to list view by default
[04:59] <Blue1> why no updates in 4 days?
[04:59] <glebihan> Flynsarmy: oh same behavior for me with list view
[05:00] <Flynsarmy> So it's a bug then?
[05:00] <glebihan> Flynsarmy: don't know whether it's a bug or a choice
[05:00] <Flynsarmy> It suxxorz whatever it is
[05:01] <glebihan> Flynsarmy: well you can report it, you'll see if it's a bug
[05:01] <Flynsarmy> glebihan: How do i report it?
[05:02] <glebihan> Flynsarmy: file a bug on nautilus's launchpad page : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus
[05:02] <Flynsarmy> glebihan: thanks, will do
[05:09] <Flynsarmy> It's been reported. still 'uncofirmed' though
[05:09] <Flynsarmy> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627110
[05:46] <DanaG> ooh, that remotux + rinputd is awesome.
[05:46] <DanaG> Just needs a way to turn off the LCD backlight on the iOS device.
[06:27] <foxbuntu> hey all, this should be an easy one; where has the gdm theme selection gone to? I checked system > pref. > appearance & system > admin. > login window
[06:36] <SaRy> foxbuntu, this feature was removed since 9.10.
[06:37] <foxbuntu> SaRy, alright, so I m no longer able to change it?
[06:37] <foxbuntu> ...or at least have to do it manually?
[06:38] <SaRy> Yoy can do it manually or with ubuntu-tweak tool
[06:38] <foxbuntu> SaRy, thx
[06:41] <SaRy> For Ubuntu tweak .. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tualatrix/ppa
[06:41] <SaRy> sudo apt-get update
[06:41] <SaRy> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-tweak
[06:41] <SaRy> http://www.unixmen.com/linux-distributions/4-ubuntu/1222-after-a-fresh-install-of-ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-configuration-made-easy-with-ubuntu-tweak
[06:42] <SaRy> foxbuntu, as for the manually method ..
[06:45] <foxbuntu> SaRy, thanks!
[06:45] <SaRy> sudo cp /usr/share/applications/gnome-appearance-properties.desktop /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/
[06:45] <SaRy> Log out. Select a new theme/wallpaper/font/icons/pointer. Log in and remove gnome-appearance-properties to GDM's autostart applications:
[06:45] <SaRy> sudo rm /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/gnome-appearance-properties.desktop
[06:45] <SaRy> Simple, interactive, and no additional applications needed to make the changes.
[06:45] <SaRy> foxbuntu, you're welcome.
[07:27] <shivraj123> am not able to add bt4 tools in my ubuntu pls help
[07:30] <SaRy> What steps you tried out ..
[07:31] <shivraj123> added repo address 1st
[07:31] <shivraj123> added pgp key & menu
[07:32] <shivraj123> still not working
[07:33] <glebihan> shivraj123: what error are you getting ?
[07:33] <shivraj123> its not connecting the repo.
[07:33] <glebihan> what repo is it ?
[07:34] <shivraj123>     echo deb http://repo.offensive-security.com/dist/bt4 binary/ >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:35] <shivraj123> @glebihan, are u through?
[07:36] <glebihan> shivraj123: I'm looking, the server responds to ping but not to http requests
[07:37] <shivraj123> so
[07:39] <glebihan> shivraj123: well either the server is down and you should try again later, or it's totally dead and you should try an installation from sources
[07:40] <shivraj123> thanks glebihan
[07:40] <glebihan> shivraj123: you're welcome
[09:36] <mikebeecham> hi guys - I have a strange issue.  I have a number of SMB shares listed on my 'places'.  A couple of versions ago, this was fine...but now they are all duplicated.  One set are mounted and I can access them, and the other set cannot be mounted.  I only want the mountable set showing.
[09:48] <glebihan> mikebeecham: I think you should be able to remove the unneeded ones by editing ~/.gtk-bookmarks
[09:53] <mikebeecham> glebihan, nahhh....that only shows my local folders.  These are smb shares which sit on my mac downstairs.
[09:54] <glebihan> mikebeecham: and you can't remove those from nautilus either ?
[09:55] <mikebeecham> not sure how?  I checked my fstab and only one set it listed in there
[09:55] <mikebeecham> not sure where else to go
[09:55] <mikebeecham> if I umount the shares, then all disappear
[09:55] <mikebeecham> when I mount -a they all appear again, with only one set mounting
[09:55] <mikebeecham> i dont understand why I have a duplicate set, especially one that cant be mounted
[09:57] <glebihan> mikebeecham: has it happened just once ? or is it recurrent ?
[09:57] <glebihan> mikebeecham: I mean, did you try to log out and back in ?
[09:57] <mikebeecham> it's recurrant
[09:57] <mikebeecham> when I log in, and when I restart
[09:57] <mikebeecham> I think it's a mounting thing
[09:58] <mikebeecham> but dont know enough about linux to troubleshoot
[09:59] <glebihan> mikebeecham: in nautilus, if you right-click on an unmounted share, do you have the option to remove it ?
[10:00] <mikebeecham> nope, they are greyed out...the only extra option I have is to mount them...which it will not do..nothing happens which I choose the mount option
[10:01] <glebihan> mikebeecham: could you launch nautilus as root to see what happens
[10:01] <glebihan> ?
[10:01] <mikebeecham> lets see
[10:02] <mikebeecham> hmmm
[10:02] <mikebeecham> only one set is shown, and all are mounted
[10:02] <mikebeecham> so there are only two sets shown under my own account
[10:05] <glebihan> mikebeecham: well that's weird, have no idea where it could come from
[10:07] <mikebeecham> nor I
[10:07] <goodnight> do NVIDIA cards work in Maverick?
[10:07] <goodnight> .
[10:07] <bazhang> goodnight, yes.
[10:07] <mikebeecham> goodnight, yes
[10:07] <ilvez> goodnight, yes
[10:08] <goodnight> GREAT
[10:11] <LBo> Does anyone know what the status is of multiseat GDM with Maverick?
[10:11] <LBo> Is it possible now?
[10:35] <h4f> when I run debsecan I get many lines with "CVE-2010-2322 icedtea-6-jre-cacao (remotely exploitable, low urgency)" seems that I don't have updates for icedtea-6. but my system is up to date
[10:49] <WXZ> I installed windows on a separate hdd than my ubuntu installation, followed these steps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:49] <WXZ> and now I'm automatically getting ubuntu loaded w/out seeing grub
[11:35] <badp> Hey, I'm only asking here because I'm coincidentally running #ubuntu+1 but I'm confident this issue has been around for a long time
[11:35] <badp> but I'd like to know, what package should I file this bug against?
[11:35] <badp> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1164414/Ubuntu/Multimonitor%20fail.png
[12:32] <olskolirc> how come I cant use redirect > without being root and even with root it won't let me on Maverick!  I cant even use pico without being root!
[12:33] <donri> Are you writing to a file owned by root?
[12:34] <olskolirc> no writing as myself donri
[12:34] <donri> To where?
[12:35] <olskolirc> from my terminal in my home dir
[12:35] <olskolirc> oh wait donri it says im root
[12:36] <tensorpudding> if you're trying to redirect to a file, you need write permissions for that file if it exists, and write permissions in the directory if it does not exist
[12:36] <penguin42> and also becareful if you are trying to do it with sudo  - e.g. sudo program > file  that really doesn't do the redirect as root
[12:38] <tensorpudding> this is one of the reasons i do not like using sudo
[12:39] <penguin42> hey it's not sudo's fault
[12:39] <penguin42> tensorpudding: Is a pancake a matrix pudding?
[12:41] <tensorpudding> it doesn't matter if it's sudo's fault, it just makes you have to think a lot more about how sudo interacts with shell redirects, pipes and other things
[12:46] <WXZ> grub2 won't show the menu
[12:46] <penguin42> WXZ: It's left shift *right* after the bios
[12:46] <WXZ> left shift + right arrow?
[12:47] <WXZ> can I force it to show up all the time?
[12:47] <penguin42> no, just left shift
[12:47] <penguin42> I mean immediately after the bios
[12:47] <WXZ> yeah, I figured
[12:47] <WXZ> but have it show up by default, possible?
[12:48] <penguin42> WXZ: Yeh, it's one of the options in /etc/default/grub
[12:48] <penguin42> WXZ: I can't remember which one, probably one of the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT ones
[12:48] <WXZ> I'll man it
[12:49] <WXZ> oooh, never done this before
[12:49] <WXZ> /etc/default/grub GRUB_HIDDEN-TIMEOUT = 7
[12:50] <WXZ> would that work :s
[12:52] <WXZ> got it
[12:57] <WXZ> no, apparently I don't have it
[12:57] <WXZ> I changed GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT to 7
[12:57] <WXZ> and ran "update-grub"
[12:57] <WXZ> nada
[12:59] <penguin42> WXZ: This is why I said it was likely to be one of those, I can never remember which

[13:00] <WXZ> ok, well I'll keep testing
[13:01] <odb|fidel> WXZ: getting curious here as i was checking my grub cfg yesterday too. My reason was the fact that my system/grub awaits input before it launches the default os - which wasnt configured before the 10.10 update. But it seems like your issue is different
[13:02] <odb|fidel> so grub here is showing always & waiting for input - even if it has just one option to boot as it is a single os-setup ;)
[13:07] <WXZ> half way there
[13:12] <WXZ> it's not finding my windows installation :s
[13:14] <Ken8521> WXZ, it's on the grub2 page how t change that
[13:14] <WXZ> ~grub2
[13:14] <WXZ> fail.
[13:15] <Ken8521> yah, if it detects 2 OS's, the menu is shown by default, if only ubuntu, it is skipped by default
[13:15] <WXZ> so how come it doesn't detect my second OS?
[13:15] <Ken8521> Ubuntu didn't pick up your windows install?
[13:15] <WXZ> nope
[13:15] <Ken8521> how did you install?
[13:15] <WXZ> ubuntu (hdd1), windows (hdd2), recovered grub2
[13:15] <WXZ> and now we're here
[13:16] <Ken8521> WXZ, what happens if hdd2 is first in your boot sequence?
[13:16] <WXZ> didn't check
[13:16] <WXZ> let me try that and I'll be back in 3-5 minutes
[13:25] <WXZ> to answer your question, I get stuck on the "hardware monitor" screen
[13:26] <WXZ> just tells you the cpu and sys temp
[13:26] <Ken8521> ok
[13:27] <Ken8521> WXZ, why didn't you just install normally, and put windows hdd1, ubuntu hdd2?
[13:27] <Ken8521> grub likely would've picked up windows no problem
[13:27] <WXZ> that's kind of beside the point now
[13:28] <WXZ> long story
[13:28] <Ken8521> yeah, i never understood why people do that to be truthful.. if modifying the windows MBR bothers you so much, just back up the windows MBR w/ mbrfix.. if there's a problem, restore it, it will overwrite grub.
[13:28] <Ken8521> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[13:28] <Ken8521> WXZ, try "custom menu entries" in the link above
[13:28] <prep> Good morning gentlemen. Having issues with Movie Player on 10.10 RC, movies all of the sudden stopped working. Have used Ubuntu Tweak for basic system maintenance, not sure if a codec was removed. Still learning Linux, not so proficient in the Terminal
[13:29] <WXZ> this is going to be hard.
[13:29] <Ken8521> WXZ, well, you made it hard on yourself.
[13:29] <Ken8521> prep, do they open at all, or do you get an error, etc
[13:29] <prep> error. Shows name of movie, bu gives error
[13:30] <Ken8521> ... and the error...?
[13:30] <prep> cannot play
[13:30] <bazhang> prep, pastebin the error
[13:30] <Ken8521> prep, try installing VLC, see if you have the same issue
[13:30] <prep> ok. what was the link for paste bin again?
[13:31] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com
[13:31] <prep> thanks. trying now
[13:32] <Ken8521> i thought you said the error was "cannot play"...?
[13:32] <prep> Ok weird, played this DVD. But will not play Long Way Round from NetFlix
[13:32] <bazhang> prep, installed the ubuntu-restricted-extras package?
[13:32] <prep> DRM issue.
[13:33] <Ken8521> probably a fubar dvd... maybe DRM... who knows
[13:33] <prep> bazhang: not sure, how can I check?
[13:33] <bazhang> prep, try to install them? get libdvdcss2 from medibuntu.org ?
[13:33] <prep> It plays on the DVD at home, thinking maybe DRM
[13:34] <bazhang> then try the medibuntu package
[13:34] <Ken8521> prep, do you have libdvdcss2? that's the likely culprit
[13:34] <prep> Not sure, how can I check? forgive my ignorance
[13:35] <bazhang> www.medibuntu.org   <--get it there
[13:36] <prep> which one for Maverick?
[13:36] <Oli``> Is the Speaker Test in Sound Preferences supposed to work?
[13:36] <Ken8521> Oli``, lol.. that strikes me as a funny question, but it works for me.
[13:37] <Ken8521> when you click it, you get the second window w/ left and right.. just click test again, and if your sound works, it should work
[13:37] <Oli``> Ken8521: I'm in a funny mood. I thought it might have just been a half-implemented idea that should work
[13:37] <bazhang> yikes no maverick version yet
[13:37] <prep> ah
[13:37] <Ken8521> bazhang, no maverick version of what?
[13:37] <Oli``> It doesn't for me (next window pops up but no sound from any of the test buttons) but my sound works fine!
[13:37] <prep> I was under the impression this was the IRC for Maverick or Ubuntu beta
[13:37] <bazhang> Ken8521, libdvdcss2
[13:38] <bazhang> prep, yep
[13:38] <bazhang> well almost Final
[13:38] <Ken8521> oh of medibuntu?... i used the Lucid repository, ONLY installed libdvdcss2, then removed the lucid repository
[13:38] <bazhang> no need for the repo, just get the deb
[13:38] <Ken8521> bazhang, yeah, you could do that to
[13:38] <prep> ok, so I need to wait till it's updated?
[13:38] <bazhang> prep, or throw caution to the wind and get the lucid deb now
[13:39]  * Ken8521 always throws caution to the wind
[13:39] <Ken8521> lol
[13:39] <prep> this is my tire kicker . Guess I'll give it a shot
[13:39] <bazhang> prep, I've done it cross version before, not that big a risk for that one deb
[13:40] <Ken8521> yeah...
[13:40] <bazhang> download the deb, choose open with in FF or double click on desktop
[13:41] <Ken8521> i just used the repository, then removed it as soon as i was done.... libdvdcss2 doesn't have any other dependencies it needs to add
[13:43] <Ken8521> WXZ, any luck?
[13:43] <WXZ> I'm reading on how to do it properly
[13:43] <Ken8521> WXZ, link?
[13:44] <WXZ> yes, although I have some questions
[13:44] <Ken8521> whats the link?
[13:45] <WXZ> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Custom%20Menu%20Entries
[13:45] <WXZ> the one you gave me :s
[13:45] <Ken8521> oh ok
[13:45] <WXZ> menuentry "Windows XP" {
[13:45] <WXZ> set root=(hd0,1)
[13:45] <WXZ> that's about all I understand
[13:46] <Ken8521> well, the "search" line..
[13:46] <Ken8521> is likely the UUID of the disk.
[13:46] <WXZ> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set /dev/sdb1
[13:46] <Ken8521> no
[13:46] <Ken8521> the UUID, not device name
[13:47] <WXZ> If GRUB 2 cannot find the referenced kernel, try replacing the UUID with the device name (example: /dev/sda6 ).
[13:47] <prep> bazhang: perfect, works now thank you. Have any experience with Jack?
[13:47] <Ken8521> WXZ, hang on a sec, lemme ssh my home PC, and look at my grub.cfg(it dual boots.)
[13:50] <WXZ> how do I even find out the uuid
[13:50] <WXZ> cat /etc/fstab doesn't work
[13:51] <WXZ> or atleast it's not showing me the uuid of /dev/sdb1
[13:52] <Pici> WXZ: sudo blkid
[13:53] <Ken8521> WXZ, ok...http://paste.ubuntu.com/508764/
[13:53] <Ken8521> looks a lot more complex than Grub legacy, thats for sure
[13:53] <WXZ> :|
[13:54] <Ken8521> WXZ, but thats also w/ XP on my master partition.. so
[13:54] <WXZ> do I keep the exec tail -n
[13:54] <WXZ> and the #bin/something
[13:54] <Ken8521> Pici, he installed Ubuntu on hdd1, xp is on hdd2.. grub is not picking up XP on hdd2
[13:54] <WXZ> too late
[13:55] <Ken8521> WXZ, i have no idea, grub2 is not something i've looked into very much.... i was pretty good w/ grub-legacy..
[13:55] <WXZ> /etc/grub.d/40_custom: 22: function: not found
[13:55] <WXZ> /etc/grub.d/40_custom: 26: save_env: not found
[13:55] <WXZ> /etc/grub.d/40_custom: 27: Syntax error: "}" unexpected
[13:55] <Ken8521> lovely
[13:56] <Ken8521> sudo apt-get reinstall like a normal person
[13:56] <WXZ> resintall grub2?
[13:56] <Ken8521> no.
[13:56] <Ken8521> install Ubuntu like a normal person
[13:56] <WXZ> can't.
[13:56] <Ken8521> why?
[13:56] <WXZ> too much work
[13:57] <Ken8521> WXZ, and this is way easier..lol
[13:57] <WXZ> possibly.
[13:57] <WXZ> I gain knowledge
[13:57] <prep> Is there a codec for AAC files in Rhythmbox?
[13:57] <Ken8521> how do you figure it would be to much work...
[13:58] <WXZ> reinstalling windows, or fixing windows, about an hour.. hour and a half
[13:58] <Ken8521> WXZ, you don't need to reinstall or fix windows
[13:58] <WXZ> moving all my config files on ubuntu... a lot of work
[13:58] <donri> prep: Do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[13:58] <Ken8521> your config files shouldn't take more than 10min from a live CD
[13:58] <WXZ> ?
[13:59] <prep> donri: was just asked that, no I do not. New to Linux, not sure how to
[13:59] <Ken8521> all you have to do is copy your /home to an external drive....
[13:59] <WXZ> yes
[13:59] <WXZ> I have virtualbox
[13:59] <WXZ> w/ like 12 gigs
[13:59] <Ken8521> ok..? so it will take about 25min.
[13:59] <prep> well I just installed libdvdcss2
[13:59] <Ken8521> you've been trying to edit grub for at least 30min I been here
[13:59] <donri> prep: In Software Center, search for it
[14:00] <WXZ> and then I'll have to reinstall all my apps which I installed
[14:00] <WXZ> ok, question...
[14:00] <Ken8521> do you have a bunch of compiled apps, or all stuff from the repositoris, etc? that still shoudln't take more than 20min or so.
[14:00] <WXZ> some are compiled, some aren't
[14:00] <Ken8521> ok..
[14:01] <WXZ> and I removed a bunch of apps after I installed ubuntu
[14:01] <prep> donri: wants to remove ffmpef library 50/52
[14:01] <WXZ> and some apps were hard to get/get to work properly
[14:01] <Ken8521> well, only you can determine what to do.
[14:02] <Ken8521> i know i wouldn't have wasted more than 15min on this... but thats just me..lol
[14:03] <WXZ> but that's how you learn
[14:03] <WXZ> you mess stuff up, and then you fix it
[14:03] <Ken8521> yeah, but i'm not sure how far you're going to get w/ Windows on a slave drive....
[14:03] <lucent> may as well ask, do you know how to catch the entire dmesg output?
[14:03] <lucent> i.e. if I have lots of crap scrolling by when I hit 'dmesg' and it's flooding out the useful info
[14:03] <Ken8521> i know on grub legacy, you had to trick XP into thinking it was on the master drive.
[14:03] <lucent> how to just capture the whole thing
[14:03] <WXZ> what if I install grub2 on the second hdd
[14:04] <WXZ> and change the master drive
[14:04] <Ken8521> WXZ, that *could* work.
[14:04] <Ken8521> WXZ, or it might end up in epic fail, because grub isn't stored on that drive, it's stored on the Ubuntu drive.
[14:06] <Ken8521> personally, i think grub2 is overly complex
[14:06] <penguin42> Ken8521: Yeh
[14:07] <Ken8521> grub was beautiful for it's simplicity.
[14:07] <Ken8521> and really, how many features do you need, for a text menu?
[14:07] <lucent> over 9000.
[14:07] <Ken8521> lol
[14:07] <lucent> LISA you're tearing us apart!
[14:07] <lucent> errr 'me'
[14:08] <Ken8521> maybe it's time for Ubuntu to embrace Lilo
[14:08] <lucent> the complexity present in grub2 is necessary for support of all the crazy stuff that grub2 developers refuse to implement themselves, and ignore patches for
[14:09] <tensorpudding> I remember hearing a few months ago about people using LILO becuase GRUB lacked support for some specific thing.
[14:10] <tensorpudding> Which is pretty shameful, considering that GRUB has been dominant in the Linux world for over five years.
[14:10] <Ken8521> yup.. makes no sense
[14:10] <lucent> to be fair there's a pretty high standard of my-phallus-is-more-unicorn-like-than-yours on the grub2 developer mailing list
[14:10] <Ken8521> lucent, lmao
[14:10] <lucent> I try not to get involved, pointless discussion is pointless
[14:10] <Ken8521> yup.
[14:10] <penguin42> lucent: Look just don't say that about Natty
[14:10] <Ken8521> like i said, it's a freakin menu
[14:10] <Ken8521> do i really care if i can put a wallpaper on it?
[14:11] <lucent> it's not a menu though
[14:11] <Ken8521> it's an adventure
[14:11] <lucent> it's nipple twisting realmode programming
[14:11] <Ken8521> lol
[14:11] <tensorpudding> I'm fond of not having a fancy bootloader, but only on single-boot machines
[14:11] <lucent> I care not to get involved with the twisted math involved
[14:11] <Ken8521> tensorpudding, my grub is basic on all machines i set up.
[14:12] <tensorpudding> Like FreeBSD's default configuration
[14:12] <tensorpudding> That one is pretty bare
[14:14] <Ken8521> i hpe he gets that problem resolved
[14:14] <Ken8521> some people just make crap harder on themselves
[14:15] <Ken8521> i'm not sure how co-operative 7 is going to be on a slave drive anyway...
[14:16] <WXZ> this shouldn't be that difficult.
[14:16] <Ken8521> ..
[14:16] <Ken8521> thank project grub
[14:16] <WXZ> I won't.
[14:16] <WXZ> what was the reasoning behind the changes?
[14:16] <Ken8521> WXZ, only thing i could think to try(other than installing like 99% of the free world)
[14:17] <Ken8521> is possibly replacing grub2, w/ grub-legacy.
[14:17] <Ken8521> grub legacy, IMO, is a little easier to work w/
[14:17] <lucent> dur
[14:17] <lucent> what is the problem?
[14:17] <WXZ> ubuntu (hdd1), windows (hdd1), reinstalled grub on hdd1
[14:17] <Ken8521> lucent, windows is on a slave drive, will not boot, was not added to grub2 during installation
[14:18] <lucent> so...
[14:18] <Ken8521> ..
[14:18] <WXZ> :|
[14:18] <lucent> solution is obvious
[14:18] <lucent> kill windows... with fire.
[14:18] <Ken8521> lol
[14:20] <Ken8521> WXZ, did you upgrade from 10.04, or clean install 10.10?
[14:20] <WXZ> clean install
[14:20] <Ken8521> lol, well then how can you have all this crap on there?
[14:20] <Ken8521> that you said you have?
[14:20] <WXZ> what do you mean?
[14:21] <Ken8521> you said you had compiled programs, installed a bunch, ermoved a bunch, etc.
[14:21] <Ken8521> if you clean installed, you can't have all that much.
[14:21] <WXZ> yes
[14:21] <WXZ> ummmm... why not?
[14:21] <Ken8521> nevermind..
[14:21] <Ken8521> WXZ, have you tried asking in #grub?
[14:21] <WXZ> no.
[14:23] <WXZ> yes.
[14:26] <Ken8521> WXZ, thats not what they wanted.
[14:26] <WXZ> what?
[14:26] <Ken8521> open a terminal and type sudo os-prober
[14:26] <WXZ> what do they mean "os-prober" installed?
[14:26] <Ken8521> see if it sees xp(pretty sure thats what they wanted)
[14:26] <WXZ> no output
[14:26] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:29] <Ken8521> yoyoyoyo
[14:29] <Ken8521> sorry, trying to be a linux-gangster
[14:31] <BluesKaj> geekte now there's a ge image
[14:32] <BluesKaj> oops, kb receiver is aced
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ok, seems to be working
[14:34] <BluesKaj> was going to say geekgangster , now there's a strange image
[14:35] <Ken8521> lol
[14:36] <Ken8521> man, they are a lively bunch
[14:36] <Ken8521> lol
[14:39] <BluesKaj> where?
[14:39] <Ken8521> #grub
[14:41] <Pici> hutch: quick version: update-manager -d  in a grapical environment, or sudo do-release-upgrade -d   for cli
[14:41] <hutch> Pici thanks
[14:42] <hutch> cli upgrading now thanks
[14:44] <hutch> Pici I've just came from Linuxmint and heard Maverick was awesome. What's ur honest opinion?
[14:44] <Pici> hutch: I've been using Maverick for months now, barely any problems.
[14:45] <Pr070cal> hi still no luck with the nvidia drivers i just got the beta amd64 drivers and still get no signal to LCD, the module is now compiling and running fine :) but when i boot i get no signal and xorg.log is not populated so i think xorg is not starting ?
[14:45] <hutch> Is it a big improvement over 10.4?
[14:45] <Pr070cal> how can i find out why xserver isnt starting
[14:45] <ilvez> 10.04 to be precise, hutch wait for complete release notes
[14:46] <Pici> hutch:  It depends what applications you use.  And what ilvez said.
[14:46] <hutch> k :)
[14:46] <ilvez> Pr070cal: why do you need to compile them? doesn't ubuntu packaged ones suit you?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> Pr070cal, which nVidia card ?
[14:50] <bjsnider> Pr070cal, your card is likely not supported at the present time
[14:51] <Ken8521> WXZ, anyluck?
[14:51] <WXZ> no, I'm taking a break from trying
[14:52] <WXZ> 30 minutes and I'll see how to downgrade
[14:52] <Pr070cal> i got the beta driver from nvidia
[14:52] <Ken8521> !downgrade
[14:52] <Pr070cal> it says 8400gs
[14:52] <Pr070cal> the card works fine with nv driver @ 1366x768
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Pr070cal, I asked which card , not which driver
[14:52] <Pr070cal> 8400gs
[14:53] <Ken8521> WXZ, are you gonna try to downgrade to grub-legacy?
[14:53] <Pr070cal> before the nvidia module wasnt loading so i compiled my own at driver install which now loads
[14:53] <BluesKaj> !who | Pr070cal
[14:53] <Pr070cal> but xserver wont start so no error in xorg.log
[14:53] <WXZ> yes Ken8521
[14:54] <Ken8521> hmm
[14:54] <Ken8521> that might work.
[14:54] <Pr070cal> is there a log i can check to see why xserver wont start ?
[14:55] <perlsyntax> How do i get python 2.7 to work with the apt-get?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Pr070cal, the nvidia-current 260.19.06-0ubuntu1 driver is supposed to work with the 8400gs , not a proprietary driver , especially on a RC OS
[14:59] <Pr070cal> ok brb
[15:12] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, a bunch of hardware is broken with it though
[15:12] <bjsnider> vaois, optimus stuff etc.
[15:12] <bjsnider> it has issues
[15:13] <penguin42> is there a page describing what the right thing to do for various Nvidia users is? We'll get a flood of them in a couple of days
[15:13] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, hardware is broken with , what ?
[15:14] <philsf> is someone here using unity to confirm a glitch I just stumbled into?
[15:15] <Ken8521> penguin42, just install the restricted driver? works fine for me
[15:15] <penguin42> Isn't bjsnider saying that doesn't work for some?
[15:15] <SaRy> penguin42, may wana look at Nvidia Community Documentation.
[15:17] <bork> attaching an external monitor to my laptop has stopped working since upgrading (I can get an image to show on the external monitor for a little while, but then it changes its mind)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> I have an older nVidia geforce7600gt graphics card, and the nvidia-current driver works fine on it so far , and from othe reports the 8series cards work just as well
[15:18] <Volkodav> yofel: ping
[15:19] <mikebeecham> hi guys - I have a strange issue.  I have a number of SMB shares listed on my 'places'.  A couple of versions ago, this was fine...but now they are all duplicated.  One set are mounted and I can access them, and the other set cannot be mounted.  I only want the mountable set showing.
[15:20] <mikebeecham> When I log into nautilus as root, there is only one set showing, which can be mounted....so the duplicates are only showing under my account?
[15:20] <mikebeecham> fstab only shows one set also
[15:21] <penguin42> mikebeecham: If you right click on them in the places left pane in a nautilus window can you delete it?
[15:22] <mikebeecham> penguin42, nope, the only option I have is mount...but they wont be mounted
[15:23] <penguin42> mikebeecham: You might have to attack /apps/nautilus/desktop-metadata or the like with gconf-editor?
[15:24] <mikebeecham> but will this not remove the mounted ones as well?
[15:24] <penguin42> not sure, it almost sounds like it has a dupe of the places data
[15:25] <mikebeecham> yeah
[15:25] <mikebeecham> although in a nautilus window (not root) there are two sets also
[15:25] <penguin42> actually that path I gave only seems to be position of the icons
[15:25] <mikebeecham> so it's not just places
[15:25] <mikebeecham> penguin42, yes
[15:30] <Pr070cal> ok im back now i removed the nvidia beta drivers and installed nvidia-current from apt
[15:31] <Pr070cal> but i still get no signal :(
[15:31] <nothingspecial> mikebeecham: I think if you remove them from nautilus they will go from places
[15:31] <Pr070cal> how can i find out why xserver doesnt start ?
[15:32] <mikebeecham> nothing, but the only ones I can remove from nautlius are the ones that have mounted.  I need these.  It's the ones that wont mount that I cannot remove
[15:32] <penguin42> weird
[15:32] <lduros> Hello, does anybody know if the Ubuntu font is available for use / reuse on materials such as printed documents and embedding in websites?
[15:33] <nothingspecial> mikebeecham: yes weird
[15:33] <mikebeecham> if I open up nautilus in root, (sudo nautilus) then only the one set is available, and this is the correct set
[15:35] <penguin42> mikebeecham: I'd go have a look around .gconf or .config
[15:46] <lvh> Can anyone tell me what the default monospace font is on Maverick?
[15:47] <igormorgado> hi I have a pavillion tx1000 with touchscreen (,Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0eef:0001 D-WAV Scientific Co., Ltd eGalax TouchScreen) im trying to enable it on ubuntu+1, tried lot of things (old, new, beta, alternative drivers). Someone knows if it works on ubuntu +1?
[15:48] <vee> is there a tool that allows me to monitor which application uses my bandwidth??
[15:49] <vee> plz help me out here i am new to liunx
[15:50] <Ken8521> vee, maybe iftop?  i dunno.
[15:51] <Ken8521> vee, , but i don't know if that does your whole network, or just the local pc
[15:51] <td123> does anyone know why the system menu is missing icons, but on the applications and places, it isn't?
[15:51] <td123> what ever happened to consistency?
[15:52] <Ken8521> td123, i hate that to.. but they are easy enough to add back
[15:52] <penguin42> that's curious, for a couple of releases they were all missing
[15:52] <vee> ken8521 my local pc is enough thank u for ur suggestion
[15:52] <trism> td123: gconf-editor /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons
[15:52] <Ken8521> yea
[15:53] <td123> penguin42: I've noticed it in past releases, but I've never been given a sane answer as to why
[15:53] <Ken8521> check it.
[15:53] <Ken8521> td123, i doubt there's a good reason
[15:53] <td123> I'm not asking on how to enable it, I'm asking why
[15:53] <Ken8521> dunno.
[15:53] <Ken8521> lemme skype shuttleworth real quick and i'll get your answer
[15:53] <td123> hehe really? :)
[15:53] <Ken8521> yeah, we're good like that
[15:54] <td123> awesome
[15:54] <trism> td123: it's a gnome thing apparently, they don't like icons on the menus
[15:54] <Ken8521> yup.
[15:54] <Ken8521> thats what mark said... he said don't blame him.
[15:54] <penguin42> td123: There's a long long bug somewhere about arguing why it would be best not to have any, and I certainly argued against that - but I'm not sure when it came to some fo them
[15:54] <trism> I'm just glad they left the key and it works
[15:54] <Ken8521> yeah.
[15:54] <td123> o ok
[15:54] <trism> for now anyway
[15:55] <Ken8521> i'm anxious for gnome-
[15:55] <BluesKaj> is there a kde user or are all you guys using gnome ?
[15:55] <Ken8521> *3
[15:55] <td123> so this isn't an ubuntu thing, but rather, a gnome thing
[15:55] <Ken8521> Blue1, ga... KDE is the closest thing to a Linux virus that there is
[15:55] <td123> thanks for the explanations.. time to bother #gnome :D
[15:56] <BluesKaj> Ken8521, no flaming , I asked a legit question
[15:56] <BluesKaj> heh, he ran away
[15:57] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, certain nvidia hardware is broken with the current blobs
[15:57] <bjsnider> and the only thing we can do about it is sit there and like it
[15:57] <BluesKaj> it's not the HW thatr's broken bjsnider , it's the driver
[15:58] <penguin42> bjsnider: Is there a list of for this hardware do this, for this hardware your stuffed?
[16:01] <lindsaymobil22> Hey guys
[16:02] <lindsaymobil22> If i install maverick RC, will i have to dist-upgrade or will it just download the updated packages to make it RTM
[16:03] <lindsaymobil22> hello???????
[16:03] <Pici> lindsaymobil22: Er.. You just described the same thing.
[16:03] <lindsaymobil22> Pici: you told me to ask in here?
[16:03] <Pici> lindsaymobil22: No, I mean that dist-upgrading is downloading updated packages.
[16:03] <Pici> !dist-upgrade | lindsaymobil22
[16:04] <Pici> !final | lindsaymobil22 too
[16:04] <lindsaymobil22> Pici: i dont want to upgrade, it causes nothing but problems, im asking if i install the rc will i have to upgrade or will the updates just come through in the update manager like any other update?
[16:04] <lindsaymobil22> i know linux mint does this
[16:05] <Pici> lindsaymobil22: Short answer: yes, it will be updated to final automagically.
[16:05] <lindsaymobil22> Pici: thank god, because i know with say, updating the alpha to the beta, that had to be a whole upgrade
[16:05] <lindsaymobil22> and not just updates
[16:05] <androidbruce|lap> anyone still experiencing the term environment not being set in Guake?
[16:06] <bjsnider> penguin42, all i know right now is that vaio +nvidia and optimus +nvidia, but there could be more, since this guy is now talking about 8400gs being borked too
[16:06] <Pici> lindsaymobil22: No, that doesn't require a reinstall.
[16:06] <bjsnider> they'll have to use nouveau
[16:06] <bjsnider> or stay on lucid
[16:06] <Pici> lindsaymobil22: update-manager does dist-upgrades.  A dist-upgrade isn't an upgrade to a new release.
[16:06] <lindsaymobil22> Pici: no not reinstall, i mean, you know in the update manager it has "new version is available", thats not what i want from rc to rtm
[16:07] <Pici> lindsaymobil22: It won't.  and it shouldn't have done that for alpha to beta to rc
[16:07] <penguin42> bjsnider: Fancy adding the ones you know about to   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/KnownHardwareIssues/10.10
[16:07] <lindsaymobil22> Pici: cool, but if i was on 10.04.1 and i wanted 10.10 without reinstsll
[16:08] <penguin42> bjsnider: it just has a couple of mine on there at the moment but I'd like to suggest adding more stuff we're sure about
[16:08] <lindsaymobil22> reinstall thats an upgrade***
[16:08] <Pici> lindsaymobil22: Then it should give you that prompt that you were talking about.
[16:08] <lindsaymobil22> cool, thaks for your help pici!
[16:12] <undecim> Does Maverick have Elantech touchpad drivers?
[16:14] <odb|fidel> Hi - i am wondering why my grub2 forces me to choose an os on a single os installation. my grub config in /etc/default/grub is here: http://pastie.org/1207804
[16:15] <odb|fidel> right now grub waits until i select an entry - which isnt the expected behaviour right?
[16:15] <undecim> odb|fidel: You should be able to set the cooldown to 0 in /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub.
[16:15] <undecim> odb|fidel: Eh, I mean timeout, not cooldown...
[16:16] <undecim> Been playing MMOs too much lately XD
[16:16] <odb|fidel> undecim: but shouldnt it just autoselect entry 0 after 3sec?
[16:16] <odb|fidel> based on the currecnt config
[16:16] <odb|fidel> *current*
[16:16] <undecim> yes, it should load the first entry after 3 seconds
[16:17] <odb|fidel> any idea why it doenst?
[16:17] <undecim> Can I get a pastebin of /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[16:18] <odb|fidel> undecim: yep - wait a sec
[16:19] <odb|fidel> undecim: http://pastie.org/1207866
[16:20] <youbun2> hello!
[16:20] <undecim> Do you see any countdown timer at all?
[16:20] <odb|fidel> undecim: no
[16:20] <youbun2> which computers can use 10.10?
[16:21] <odb|fidel> youbun2: that question is somehow not really clear
[16:22] <odb|fidel> how about just trying a live cd in case you want just to check if one specific host is "able" to run it ;)
[16:22] <undecim> odb|fidel: My guess is it has something to do with recordfail.
[16:22] <odb|fidel> youbun2: there is: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ if that helps you further
[16:23] <odb|fidel> undecim: recordfail as in?
[16:23] <odb|fidel> can't follow right now
[16:23] <undecim> The env variable that grub uses to see if an option failed to boot.
[16:23] <odb|fidel> ok
[16:24] <undecim> If you had a successful boot, recordfail should have been cleared.
[16:24] <odb|fidel> could it be my vga setting produces an error and thats the reason?
[16:24]  * hutch might have been quicker burning and installing upgrade :/
[16:24] <odb|fidel> mh - i do boot without issues
[16:25] <vbgunz> man, I could only hope the hibernation issues gets sorted out ***but*** I absolutely doubt at this point that's gonna happen :/
[16:25] <undecim> odb|fidel: No, the vga option shouldn't cause problems.
[16:26] <vbgunz> You know, the funny thing is, I came in here about 2 months ago stating there was a problem with the kernel and I was told pretty much to go away if I wasn't using Maverick
[16:26] <vbgunz> that blows, this could have been looked into at least 2 months ago
[16:26] <odb|fidel> undecim: i do see its not supported on my box - thats why i was wondering
[16:27] <undecim> odb|fidel: You could try editing it out and see
[16:27] <undecim> odb|fidel: You would need to boot twice to test it
[16:29] <odb|fidel> ok - gonna remove the vga option, update-grub2 & reboot twice. lemme check
[16:29] <cx42net> hi there !
[16:29] <cx42net> I don't understand what's going on : I have ubuntu 10.10 installed on a ssd and today after reboot, everything went crazy : I didn't had the menu bar (with time, icons, notifications, etc), firefox crashes after 5 seconds, apt-get gives me a segmentation fault about a depot with a wrong signature (an ubuntu original depot)
[16:29] <cx42net> what's going on please ?
[16:30] <undecim> cx42net: Did you run out of disk space?
[16:30] <cx42net> undecim: no
[16:30] <cx42net> not at all, something like 20% on the 30gb ssd and 1% on my other hd
[16:30] <undecim> what are the last few lines of dmesg?
[16:32] <cx42net> pastebin.com/rPjNuMCr
[16:32] <cx42net> sorry :/ => http://pastebin.com/rPjNuMCr
[16:33] <undecim> cx42net: I would run memtest if i were you
[16:34] <cx42net> can I do that from the desktop env ?
[16:34] <undecim> cx42net: no
[16:34] <undecim> Do it from the boot menu of a live cd
[16:35] <cx42net> ok thanks
[16:37] <cx42net> is it possible from the 10.10 ?
[16:37] <Ken8521> is what possible?
[16:37] <penguin42> cx42net: If you reboot then at the grub menu you can select memtest
[16:38] <cx42net> since I boot from a ssd, it is not from the /tmp or the swap that is located on the ssd that causes those kind of problmes ?
[16:39] <odb|fidel> undecim: no change
[16:39] <cx42net> Ken8521: sorry I explained badly : to use memtest from the install cd of the 10.10 (yeah I forgot tons of words too)
[16:39] <penguin42> cx42net: It's possible; but /tmp doing that would be odd, swap maybe if iy's swapping a lot
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> sounds more like a memory bad issue to me also..
[16:40] <cx42net> and could it be the 10.10 of ubuntu that causes this ?
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> I would wonder if running the desktop from a live cd. would show the same issues.
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> cx42net:  ive not seen anyone else in here report such issues
[16:40] <cx42net> the last thing I did yesterday was to kill gnome-applet
[16:40] <undecim> odb|fidel: Try commenting the if...then...else...fi block that starts if "[ ${recordfail} = 1 ]; then" to make sure it's recordfail causing the problems.
[16:40] <Dr_Willis> could be a bad burn/install also.. its hard to tell with such a variaty of problems
[16:41] <cx42net> yeah sure
[16:41] <undecim> odb|fidel: Gah, put my " in the wrong place. It starts "if [ ${recordfail} = 1 ]; then"
[16:41] <odb|fidel> undecim: in /boot/grub.grub.cfg i guess right?
[16:41] <undecim> odb|fidel: Yup
[16:41] <cx42net> and I try to put ubuntu 10.10 on my usb key but it keeps saying "boot error", do you know this problem ?
[16:42] <undecim> odb|fidel: I have to leave for a few... I will probably be back in 30-45 minutes if you still need help
[16:42] <penguin42> cx42net: How did you try and does it say anything other than boot error?
[16:42] <odb|fidel> ok thanks for the help undecim
[16:42] <Dr_Willis> Using 10.10 iso  with  the usb-disk-creator from 10.04 has some bugs. I think you need to edit one of the syslinux confifg files and comment out the menu.c32 line.  but Im trying to rember somthing i did a month ago. :)
[16:43] <cx42net> penguin42: I tried to boot from : USB-HDD, USB-CDROM, USB-ZIP (to be sure) and I installed ubuntu 10.10 via usb creator and an other one I can't remember it's name (zencreator? )
[16:43] <cx42net> and sometimes it said that it couldn't load the cdrom (when calling usb-cdrom)
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> You could try setting up a flash drive with a ubuntu iso image file on it and grub2 and have it boot the iso file.
[16:44] <cx42net> penguin42: well no errors with memtest
[16:44] <cx42net> but that's odd ! I rebooted my computer and now I have everything that is back
[16:45] <penguin42> cx42net: I'd normally run memtest for a few hours; if it's working at the moment OK, but you might want it to leave memtest over night
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> is btrfs still an option in maverick's installer?
[16:46] <vbgunz> how can I troubleshoot **why** hibernation takes soooo long to shutdown?
[16:47] <cwillu_at_work> vbgunz, compared to what?
[16:47] <vbgunz> compared to it being 600% slowed on 10.10 vs 10.4
[16:50] <cx42net> well thank you guys, I'll take a look and eventually come back if I have another similar problem
[16:50] <cx42net> thanks a lot
[16:50] <penguin42> vbgunz: Is your normal disk write performance OK?
[16:50] <vbgunz> penguin42: I believe it should be but not sure how to really test it
[16:50] <vbgunz> my reads have dropped with the new kernel by about 40mb
[16:51] <penguin42> vbgunz: Well start with something like hdparm -tT for read performance
[16:52] <vbgunz> yeah, that's what I mean, my swap is at 260 MB/sec for buffered reads. my ext4 partition is at 181 (this one dropped by 40MB) with the maverick kernel
[16:52] <penguin42> vbgunz: OK what about something like dd conv=fdatasync if=/dev/zero of=abigfile bs=1024k count=1000 or the like?  What's your disk subsystem?
[16:53] <vbgunz> well, technically it ain't drop, only kernel 2.6.36 rc3 and up improved the buffered speed by 40mb for my ext4 partition
[16:55] <penguin42> vbgunz: if you are on the text console I think it shows it doing the writeout - is it possible that for some reason a lot more RAM is in use so it's taking a lot longer to sync it?
[16:55] <vbgunz> 1000+0 records in; 1000+0 records out;<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 4.96377 s, 211 MB/s
[16:55] <vbgunz> one sec, I'll check free
[16:56] <vbgunz> free -m shows I have 2738MB used.
[16:56]  * penguin42 is curious what hardware you're getting 211MB/s writes from - striped disk pair?
[16:56] <vbgunz> it's an ocz ssd
[16:56] <penguin42> ah ok
[16:56] <vbgunz> vertex 2 to be exact
[16:57] <vbgunz> I used to hibernate with all my apps running at the 15 second mark. now though, it ranges from 1:50 to 1:15 and that's only with no applications running... going into hibernation took a real hit hard with this maverick kernel
[16:58] <vbgunz> the resuming speed is still the same on either kernel
[16:58] <penguin42> vbgunz: I think I'd switch to a text console and kick off a hibernate and see if you can se e it doing the writes - I think /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate should kick it off
[16:59] <vbgunz> this is my cat /proc/cmdline from 10.4 carried over into 10.10 BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic root=UUID=4fc3b475-04dd-4ed4-9c4a-842580b40bf6 ro verbose no_console_suspend nomodeset rootflags=data=writeback
[16:59] <vbgunz> when I suspend from the menu, I never see anything but a blinking cursor. do you think calling pm-hibernate directly from tty1 would show me some clues?
[17:00]  * BluesKaj is disappointed in the crappy drivers for ati ...guess it's too much to expect with new releases every 6mos :(
[17:01] <fiab> hello, whats the terminal command for upgrading to 10.10
[17:01] <KB1JWQ> fiab: aptitude dist-upgrade
[17:01] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: not to go off topic but I thought ATI had superior open source drivers compared to nvidia. I am currently on nvidia *but* was thinking about upgrading. is ATI not all that well supported with their open drivers?
[17:01] <fiab> no parameters for the package
[17:02] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Open or closed? And what are you seeing ?
[17:02] <vbgunz> well, I am gonna try hibernating from tty1 and see what happens
[17:03] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, linux support for ati has diminished terribly since 9.04 ... back then the fglrx driver was great , no longer the case
[17:03] <fiab> yep that works thx
[17:03] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Open driver is much better for me
[17:03] <fiab> hi again, whats the command to install ubuntu server on top of kubuntu?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> fiab, I'm using the default ati driver for maverick
[17:04] <fiab> ?
[17:04] <penguin42> fiab: ubuntu server is as much a collection of packages - just install the servery bits you need
[17:04] <BluesKaj> oh fiab sorry, wrong guy
[17:05] <fiab> ok
[17:06] <vbgunz> it took over 2 minutes to hibernate from calling pm-hibernate in tty1 and the second and I called it, the same as calling it from the menu, I only saw a blinking underscore in the terminal
[17:06] <BluesKaj> penguin42, which ati ?
[17:06] <penguin42> BluesKaj: HD4350
[17:07] <BluesKaj> pci?
[17:07] <vbgunz> I never get any feedback when going into hibernation, when waking up, I get some great feedback but going into it is slooow now :(
[17:07] <vbgunz> how can I check what in the world is causing it to go so slow?
[17:07] <penguin42> BluesKaj: PCI-e
[17:07] <fiab> says two days till official maverick, whats missing today?
[17:07] <penguin42> vbgunz: Hmm, on my laptop I see it counting out the number of blocks to write sometimes
[17:08] <vbgunz> penguin42: I wish I could see something but I never see anything :/
[17:08] <vbgunz> I just called dmesg in a terminal but I have no idea what I am looking for and I have no idea where else to look
[17:11] <BluesKaj> penguin42, no open source drivers for this old pc with x200m ati onboard , just the rudimentary xserver-xorg-video-radeon ...the frame rates is awful in glxgears and webpages freeze , desktop effects are available but if you use them the system crashes etc etc
[17:12] <vbgunz> checking the system logs application ksystemlog I got the point in which I started the hibernation... http://pastesite.com/19228
[17:12] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Ah I haven't tried any of the older ones, and heck an x200m isn't that ancient
[17:12] <vbgunz> does anybody see why the system takes almost 2 minutes to hibernate here?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> 5yrs old , penguin42
[17:13] <undecim> odb|fidel: Figure it out?
[17:13] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh support for older hardware seems to be having problems; have you asked on the ati driver mailing list?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> maybe I should spend 50 bucks on a nvidia 7 series , I know it will work
[17:14] <odb|fidel> undecim: not really - i tried udo grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv unset recordfail - which didnt help & found some 1 year old post blaming upstart
[17:14] <vbgunz> sorry, starts at line 436, can anybody see what in the world is happening?
[17:15] <odb|fidel> undecim: but i havent tested your grub.cfg edit idea
[17:16] <fiab> no that didnt install kubunto 10.10
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I still get TERM set to dumb in many cases it  :(
[17:17] <fiab> whats the term command to install kubuntu 10.10?
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> install kubuntu-desktop package.
[17:18] <fiab> no
[17:19] <penguin42> no in which particular way?
[17:20] <fiab> i should prob restart hu
[17:20]  * Dr_Willis has No idea what that 'no' ment..
[17:21] <intrader> Continuing, I have problem with brasero --> 'Segmentation fault' even after purge and reinstall.
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Firefox is starting up and hanging on me.. how.. odd..
[17:22] <fiab> i dont think when i restart i'll get kubuntu 10.10
[17:23] <odb|fidel> fiab: if you install the meta-package kubuntu-desktop - you should have option to choose between gnome & kde on login - depending on your loginmanager
[17:23] <fiab> no no option on login
[17:23] <odb|fidel> there is no "no" at that point ;)
[17:24] <odb|fidel> what login manager are you using?
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> The GDM menu has a pull down item... at  the bottom i recall.. kdm also has one.
[17:24] <fiab> kubuntu, which should I use
[17:24] <fiab> it has pull down
[17:24] <odb|fidel> in case of gdm you have to select an account and the dropdown choose session box should appear at the bottom of the screen
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> if you are going to use KDE mainly.. use kdm
[17:24] <fiab> hmm
[17:25] <odb|fidel> what login manager are you using?
[17:27] <fiab> kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d"     works 4 me
[17:28] <fiab> what does the syntax of that command mean though even though it works
[17:29] <fiab> if I may ask
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know  where ya got those options from for it...
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> but perhaps i missed the ORIGINAL problem.. last i saw you were asking how to isntall KDE. ..
[17:32] <fiab> kubuntu
[17:33] <fiab> ipmd the link to the working command for kubuntu 10.10
[17:35] <vbgunz> well, I am installing kernel 2.6.26rc7 from mainline and gonna see how this pans out
[17:41] <vbgunz> im gonna try hibernating with the latest kernel 2.6.36rc7 and see what happens here
[17:42] <youbun2> what comes after x86 architecture?
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> x87
[17:43] <penguin42> haha
[17:44] <vbgunz> hibernation and resume in 10.4 and using the latest kernel 2.6.36rc7 result in 15/15 seconds. nice. the maverick kernel 2.6.35 approaches the 120/15 mark... the current kernel is killing hibernation. this probably aint the fault of you guys but damn, it's ugly :/
[17:46] <penguin42> vbgunz: Report the bug if you haven't already
[17:55] <intrader> Anyone, I have problem with brasero --> 'Segmentation fault' even after purge and reinstall.
[17:55] <penguin42> intrader: If you run it from a terminal does it say anything before it seg faults?
[17:58] <intrader> penguin42, no, just 'Segmentation fault'
[17:58] <intrader> penguin42, is there a log I can look at?
[17:59] <igormorgado> hello! using  nouveau (open) / nvidia (closed) drivers on a nvidia 6150 (hp pavilion tx 1000) makes my screen glitched (mostly unusable) but nv driver works fine. Any tips?
[17:59] <penguin42> intrader: Has it written anything in /var/crash
[18:00] <intrader> penguin42, nothing in the /var/crash directory
[18:01] <penguin42> intrader: You could enable apport by editing /etc/default/apport and then following it's instructions, it'll generate a backtrace for you and offer to file the bug
[18:01] <penguin42> intrader: I'd consider clearing out any brasero config files
[18:04] <intrader> penguin42, where are the config files. As to apport, command not found (in /etc/default/apport)
[18:05] <penguin42> intrader: Edit the enabled to enabled=1   and do   sudo service apport start force_start=1
[18:08] <intrader> penguin42, I get the message 'start: Env must be KEY=VALUE pairs
[18:09] <penguin42> hmm odd
[18:10] <intrader> penguin42, I rechecks the /etc/default/apport file - all as expected
[18:11] <penguin42> intrader: sure you've got the force_start=1   OK at the end?
[18:11] <Volkodav> yofel: ping
[18:12] <intrader> penguin42, ah, force_start=1 - running
[18:12] <penguin42> cool, now run brasero
[18:14] <intrader> penguin42, got 'Segmentation fault (core dumped)' and dialog 'Problem with brasero - Your computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyze the problem and sed a report to developers
[18:15] <penguin42> bah
[18:15] <penguin42> intrader: how much RAM does your machine have, and has it left a file in /var/crash this time?
[18:17] <intrader> penguin42, 1025756K 807228 used, no swap used - there is a file
[18:17] <penguin42> odd that it won't unpack that
[18:18] <penguin42> intrader: OK do apport-unpack the name of the report file in /var/crash and a temport directory       apport-unpack  reportname directory             and then tell me what lands in that directory
[18:18] <intrader> penguin42, empty file
[18:18] <penguin42> bah
[18:19] <penguin42> intrader: Well you could run brasero under gdb if you install the debug stuff, but I'd clear out any brasero config files and try again
[18:20] <darthanubis> rhythmnbox is broken
[18:20] <darthanubis> after trying to delete an mp3 it plays it, and won't stop until RB is closed
[18:22] <darthanubis> and now banshee crashes
[18:22] <darthanubis> lol
[18:24] <intrader> penguin42, where are the config files for brasero.
[18:25] <penguin42> intrader: I seem to have some in ~/.config and some in .gconf/apps/brasero
[18:27] <intrader> penguin42, gdb is around - .gconf/apps/brasero has config and %gconf.xml
[18:27] <penguin42> intrader: I'm not sure if it's safe or not to delete it manually, but I'd be tempted to delete .gconf/apps/brasero and try it again
[18:28] <saihtam> some problem with the repository?
[18:29] <saihtam> anyone else can do apt-get update?
[18:30] <saihtam> if so what mirror do you use
[18:30] <penguin42> saihtam: Seems ok on gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:30] <sburwood> Wish me luck, I'm upgrading from Lucid to Maverick
[18:30] <intrader> penguin42, pardon my newbiness - how do I remove a directory (config inside .gconf/apps/brasero)
[18:30] <sburwood> and this, on an EEEPC
[18:31] <saihtam> penguin42: thanks will try it
[18:31] <penguin42> intrader: Well, I'd consider rm -rf .gconf/apps/brasero    - however that might not be a good idea, really shouldn't go poking in .gconf
[18:31] <jpds> saihtam: Details pasted to pastebin would be useful for debugging.
[18:32] <Murdockit> Could any of you shed some light on the "modprobe: FATAL:" error I keep getting whenever I boot?
[18:32] <penguin42> Murdockit: Any other text goes with it?
[18:33] <intrader> penguin42, thanks about the 'rf' flag to rm - by the way I won't perform that. So what do you think is the next step?
[18:33] <penguin42> intrader: Well, you could do that and see if brasero starts working; I don't *think* it will break anything else, but be careful, remember rf is forcible and recursive get it wrong and it will delete everything
[18:34] <penguin42> (and make the LHCs black holes look like nothing....)
[18:34] <sburwood> I hope that Maverick will run on an EEE PC - I'm upgrading there as we speak
[18:34] <Murdockit> I was using the factory kernel, and it was rebooting fine, but when I updated everything, I get that error.  It's saying that the kernel isn't there.  I don't have my laptop with me, or I'd have an exact error message, but I remember it lists the kernel /2.16.something.dep as not being there.
[18:35] <gustavold> pm-suspend works like a charm, but when I close the flip of my macbook an alert is opened saying "cannot suspend". I have no idea where to start investigating this
[18:35] <penguin42> Murdockit: Probably best to get the full error, that almost sounds like the modules in /lib/modules are screwed up somehow
[18:35] <Murdockit> That's what it is.  /lib/modules/
[18:36] <Murdockit> I looked up the error message, but I didn't find much on the exact error I was getting.  I'm at work right now, so I won't be able to look at it for another 3 and a half hours anyways.
[18:37] <penguin42> Murdockit: Check that your /lib/modules contains the directory for the version of kernel you are running - it would be odd for it not to
[18:38] <intrader> penguin42, I don't understant the high rom use - only have xchat - restarting - will be back
[18:39] <patdk-wk> high rom use?
[18:39] <patdk-wk> I didn't think it was optional on how much rom you use, since you can't use it
[18:40] <penguin42> patdk-wk: I think he had an o where he wanted an a
[18:44] <vee> why is it not recommended to run the x64 version of ubuntu?
[18:45] <patdk-wk> dunno, I have only ever run x64 since 7.04
[18:46] <intrader> penguin42, even with 500000 more memory the crash does not have enough space
[18:46] <penguin42> :-(
[18:46] <vee> patdk-wk: im not sure i understand what u just said, have u been running x64 since 7.04 ?
[18:46] <penguin42> vee: Flash is still a little less stable and it can use a bit more memory, but I wouldn't recommend against it
[18:46] <patdk-wk> yes, on >20 machines
[18:47] <vee> penguin42:  Thx
[18:49] <vee> penguin42:  can i ask u another question, all linux guides ive read they recommend swap space. iam using conky to supervise my hardware and ive never seen swap space beeing allocated is it an old thing??
[18:50] <penguin42> vee: I don't know conky, but in general yes it's a bit old, but in a way it actually makes your use of RAM more efficeint
[18:50] <vee> penguin42:  thx again
[18:50] <penguin42> vee: Lets say you have 8GB of RAM, you'll always have a few programs that aren't really being actively used but have to keep running (e.g. gdm) but the kernel has to keep that memory around for it, if you gave it a bit of swap then the kernel would have the option of swappping out the data for something currently not in use
[18:51] <vee> penguin42:  That was a really good explanation thank u
[18:56] <intrader> penguin42, top says there 640000 free - no swap being used.
[18:57] <vee> Damn i must say that i am very impressed over how much ubuntu have matured since i last tried it. I am now migrating all my pc:s to Ubuntu linux!!
[18:57] <penguin42> intrader: It might be something it just doesn't like about brasero - or of course it could be why it seg faults!
[18:57] <TSK> Ubuntu really has improved quite a lot since I first tried it, too.
[18:59] <patdk-wk> heh, I have computers that don't support pae at all, so limited to 3gigs ram
[18:59] <patdk-wk> but they do support x64, so then I get all 4gig or 6gigs of ram
[18:59] <vee> TSK: Yeah it has come a long way
[19:00] <penguin42> 64bit works pretty well; what doesn't work well on Ubuntu is mixing 32 and 64bit apps
[19:00] <mikehh> I am getting black on black info boxes in kate and konversation when I pass the mouse over various things in Ubuntu 10.10 - works fine in Kubuntu 10.10
[19:01] <TSK> vee: When I first looked at Ubuntu/Kubuntu ages ago, I found it pretty much unusable.  Went to Mandriva for a couple few years then came back to look at Ubuntu again when Mandriva started transitioning to KDE4.0 way too early.  :)
[19:01] <vee> penguin42:  if u install apps thru apt-get then it will always install x64 versions if runiing ubuntu x64 right ?
[19:01] <penguin42> vee: Yep
[19:01] <mikehh> It has happened on and off since I installed the beta
[19:02] <mikehh> sometimes updates fix it and then another update reverts it
[19:02] <izardstreet> is there any hope in the future for better driver for intel GMA x4500HD
[19:03] <vee> penguin42:  is there much less applications for  x64 then x86 ? can i check somewhere if my fav apps is available in x64?
[19:03] <penguin42> vee: All (almost all?) the stuff in the repostories works on both
[19:03] <penguin42> vee: Some commercial apps only work on one or the other
[19:04] <vee> penguin42:  Thats great
[19:04] <TSK> As far as I know, MOST native FOSS Linux software is available in 64 bit versions, but some of the commercial companies are still stuck in the stone age re: 64 bit, even on Windoze.
[19:06] <vee> on windows i dont think even 50% is x64 optimized
[19:06] <TSK> Sad thing is by the time EVERYone's finally programming for 64 bit, 128 bit or 256 bit processors will likely be commonplace.  ;)
[19:06] <mikehh> if I change the the theme from Ambiance to Dust or Clearlooks that seems to fix it
[19:07] <mikehh> but Ambiance should work as it seems the default
[19:07] <penguin42> mikehh: Worth filing a bug against it then
[19:07] <TSK> Terabyte RAM sticks will be in everything, and your computer will have a holographic/psionic interface.  ;)
[19:07] <vee> TSK yeah thats sad but can u blame em with every thing u gotta know to be a programmer today
[19:08] <penguin42> TSK: You mean yours doesn't yet? a bit old school aren't you?
[19:08] <TSK> penguin42: I'm still looking to upgrade my dusty old "skill chips"...
[19:09]  * TSK fingers the small crystals sticking out of the back of his brainstem.
[19:10] <TSK> Seriously tho.  I started when 64K was a LOT of memory, and 300baud acoustic modems were FAST.  These modern Linux boxes seem almost like Star Trek computers to me.  ;)
[19:10] <mikehh> hmmnnn - if I change back again it seems to work - not sure how to describe it but I will try
[19:11] <vee> TSK: WOW how old are u?? =) my first computer was a 386
[19:11] <vee> TSK: my first modem 28800
[19:12] <TSK> I'm turning 43 next month.  First computer was an Apple ][+, and first computers I played with regularly was a TRS-80 at the local Radio Shack.  ;)
[19:14] <vee> TSK: idont even know what those computers are, by the way my first was actually a commodore c64 with tapes
[19:15] <TSK> The thing I'm loving about Linux most thus far is that the kinda creativity that was common in the computer industry back in the old days still exists among the Linux community.  :)
[19:15] <TSK> Commodore 64 was an UBER machine in it's day.
[19:16] <vee> LOL a german expression yeah it was kinda fun, still miss the feeling of some of its games =)
[19:17] <yofel> Volkodav: pong
[19:17] <TSK> C=64 had those layered sprite graphics in hardware.  That was TOO slick for programming games.
[19:18] <TSK> And later Commodore hardware was only even MORE impressive.  Amiga for example.
[19:18] <TSK> My second computer was a Commodore Amiga 500.  Who would have guessed that computers would have multiple gigabytes of memory and terabytes of HD space in my lifetime?  :)
[19:19] <TSK> And processor speeds measured in Gigahertz?  Wow!  Apple ][+ was 1Mhz
[19:19] <void^> and who would have guessed they still crash as often, and take the same amount of time to boot up?
[19:19] <TSK> void^: LOL
[19:19] <vee> void^: LOL
[19:20] <vee> void^:  So true
[19:20] <TSK> Nah.  My Linux box never crashes.  Once in a RARE while an application crashes, but I expect that.  :)
[19:20] <vee> but uefi is going to replace the ol BIOS in a year or two
[19:22] <vee> TSK: ive been using windows way to many years =( so crashes are a reality. even when using linux in my youth i always succeded in crashing it
[19:24] <TSK> vee: I used Windows for way too many years, too, but since I gave up being a hardcore videogamer in favor of spending my spare time learning programming, I no longer have any need or use for Windows.  Linux does everything I need it to, and more.  :)
[19:24] <vee> TSK: couldnt agree with u more
[19:24] <TSK> Lately I've been teaching myself Python, and finding myself surprised at how enjoyable it's been to learn, and how easy it is to program in.
[19:25] <TSK> And as an added bonus, Python works on Mac and Windows, too (and other systems as well), so the stuff I create on Linux can be easily ported to other systems.  :)
[19:25] <vee> TSK: so ive heard im trying to learn java and xml to begin writing Android apps
[19:26] <TSK> vee: XML ain't too hard to grasp, but I'm steering clear of Java.  Looks like just too much of a can of worms.  ;)
[19:26] <judgen> fnob
[19:27] <vee> yeah XML is a piece of cake but java is a hard nut to crack
[19:28] <TSK> vee: You might want to play around a bit with the Eclipse IDE.  It's great for working with a lotta languages, and it's actually written in Java.  :)
[19:29] <vee> TSK: yeah i like it alot, google supports it with an plugin for android use
[19:31] <TSK> vee: I use it for Javascript, Ruby and Python coding, and I used to use it for PHP.
[19:32] <vee> can any1 tell me what telepathy is for application??
[19:33] <vee> process
[19:35] <TSK> Isn't telepathy part of the new instant messaging system?  (I think it is anyhow.)
[19:35]  * TSK Googles really fast.
[19:35] <vee> TSK: yeah it is
[19:35] <vee> haha
[19:36] <TSK> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[19:36] <vee> damn it pushed my cpu temp to 74degrees celsius
[19:37] <vee> is there an log for telepathy that could explain why it pushed my cpu to 70% over several minutes
[19:41] <TSK> vee: Honestly, I wouldn't know.  I use KDE and Kopete.
[19:41] <vee> i found it
[19:42] <vee> Why use KDE ?
[19:42] <yofel> why use gnome?
[19:42] <vee> im new to linux
[19:43] <vee> it came preinstalled
[19:43] <vee> i just wanted to know what perks KDE gives
[19:43] <yofel> ah, mostly preference, I like KDE as you can configure it more
[19:43] <TSK> Same reason here
[19:44] <TSK> I like Gnu/Linux for that same reason also.  The configurability.  :)
[19:44] <vee> kde uses konqueror right ?
[19:44] <TSK> Konqueror or Dolphin, aye.
[19:44] <TSK> The two file managers.
[19:44] <vee> That says it then i will run kubuntu on my stationary
[19:44] <TSK> Konqueror also doubles as a web browser and file viewer, too.
[19:44] <vee> TSK: yeah i know that
[19:45] <TSK> Konqueror is sweet.  I've always liked it right from day one.  :)
[19:45] <vee> me 2
[19:45] <TSK> The kioslaves are one of my favorite features
[19:46] <TSK> Being able to type an sftp:// address in the file manager (or in any KDE file requester) is TOO handy
[19:46] <vee> but havent used KDE since 2002 i think
[19:46] <assumer> Hey, anybody in here know why my install hangs on the second step?
[19:47] <TSK> vee: Well, the KDE4 series was kinda crashy there for a while, but 4.5 and higher are seeming pretty mostly rock solid
[19:47] <assumer> I select my language, then I get to the page where I select if I want updates and restricted packages while installing, hit forward and nothing happens
[19:47] <assumer> I usually have to force quit the installer
[19:48] <vee> assumer: happend to me too first time i just rebooted my computer tried again and it went fine
[19:48] <assumer> I've tried it about 8 times, both after booting into the live cd and regularly
[19:49] <interfaSys> Hello. Anybody else with shutdown/restart/logout buttons in 10.10?
[19:50] <vee> assumer: do u have a working internet connection ?
[19:50] <assumer> Yea, I've tried it with both a working wireless and without any connection
[19:50] <penguin42> interfaSys: Someone else mentioned this earlier that they had them missing after an install
[19:50] <vee> assumer: i think that whats fu**ed up for me
[19:50] <interfaSys> They're there, but they don't work
[19:50] <assumer> I haven't tried plugged in though
[19:51] <interfaSys> I don't know if it's related to a broken Compiz or not
[19:51] <assumer> vee: I guess I could try using a wired connection
[19:51] <vee> try that
[19:52] <penguin42> interfaSys: Ah the other report I saw had them missing altogether
[19:52] <assumer> still, it ought to be able to install with no connection or on wifi. Bit annoying that it's this big a deal to install
[19:52] <interfaSys> OK. I found an old KDE bug talking about a shutdown sound that would prevent them from working, but this is not it.
[19:52] <assumer> well I may be back, thanks for the help!
[19:53] <interfaSys> ctrl+alt+del doesn't work either
[19:53] <penguin42> assumer: Can you file a bug against ubiquity
[19:53] <interfaSys> Pulseaudio was updated a few days ago, so maybe it broke something?
[19:53] <vee> assumer:  i agree but i think its worth fighting a bit over
[19:57] <zniavre> good evening
[19:59] <vee> TSK: do u know where i can get 10.10 kubuntu can only find 10.04 or 10.10ubuntu
[20:00] <vee> TSK found it
[20:01] <TSK> vee: You could add the kubuntu related packages from the Maverick repos?
[20:01] <interfaSys> Found the source of the problem...
[20:01] <TSK> vee: Ah, good deal.  :)
[20:01] <interfaSys> Pulseaudio
[20:01] <interfaSys> Delete the package and I can logout/reboot again
[20:01] <TSK> PulseAudio is the devil.
[20:01] <interfaSys> yep
[20:01] <interfaSys> It's broken with every release
[20:02] <TSK> I've never yet had a positive experience with PulseAudio.  It's always been a pure pain in my backside.
[20:02] <interfaSys> I used to have the sliders say "analog" and a couple of days ago, it changed to Pulseaudio which doesn't make sense for a user
[20:02] <vee> TSK:  yes but i am going to install it to my stationary computer and see which i like the most but i love to be able to personalize my system so kde seems like a winner
[20:02] <jpds> TSK: It's not suppose to go on your backside; rather on your computer system.
[20:02] <TSK> Straight pure audio drivers, ALSA or OSS.  That's the way I roll...  :)
[20:03] <saihtam> s
[20:03] <saihtam> as
[20:03] <saihtam> das
[20:03] <saihtam> ads
[20:03] <saihtam> da
[20:03] <TSK> vee: KDE is definitely customizable.  No doubt about that.  :)
[20:03] <saihtam> da
[20:04] <Pici> saihtam: stop please.
[20:04] <area51pilot> .
[20:04] <TSK> vee: Mostly the choice between KDE and Gnome is personal preference, but from what I've seen in other folks, it appears those coming to Linux from a Windows history tend to prefer KDE's initial look, where Mac users tend to prefer Gnome.  (In general.)
[20:05] <area51pilot> is there a way to update 10.04 to 10.10 without an image of 10.10
[20:06] <TSK> Both desktops can pretty much be customized to your heart's content tho, so mostly the choice comes down more to whether you prefer the QT or GTK GUI toolkit.  :)
[20:07] <vee> TSK: iam gonna try kde, but keeping gnome on my laptop
[20:07] <TSK> area51pilot: You have a fairly fast Internet connection?  It's possible to do an in-place upgrade over the net.
[20:07] <interfaSys> @area51pilot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[20:08] <TSK> interfaSys: Thanks.  I was just Googling for that.  :)
[20:08] <interfaSys> :)
[20:09] <area51pilot> TSK: Using update manager or ...?
[20:09] <TSK> area51pilot: interfaSys just posted the link to the relevant info.  :)
[20:10] <area51pilot> TSK: Thx
[20:10] <area51pilot> InterfaSys: Thx
[20:11] <area51pilot> Does it matter that I am using 10.04 LTS Gnome environment?
[20:12] <TSK> Under the surface, Ubuntu is Ubuntu is Ubuntu, regardless of what desktop you install.  You can even have multiple desktops all installed and choose from them at login.
[20:12] <area51pilot> Just verifying ... een in the WinServer realm too long
[20:13] <TSK> area51pilot: Ya.  I know that feeling.  It took me AGES to break all my bad Windows habits.  ;)
[20:15] <TSK> One thing I'm happy to be rid of is rebooting after every driver upgrade/install.
[20:15] <TSK> rmmod/insmod to the rescue.  :)
[20:15] <TSK> modprobe
[20:15] <area51pilot> TSK: says no updates availabel
[20:15] <TSK> DKMS
[20:15] <area51pilot> TSK: Nevermind
[20:15] <TSK> area51pilot: Got the upgrade?
[20:16] <area51pilot> Im trying it now ... just tried to run it on this laptop ... already running 10.10  :P
[20:17] <TSK> area51pilot: Being you are on Gnome, you'll want to probably use gksudo instead of kdesudo
[20:18] <area51pilot> TSK: Just plain old SUDo working for me
[20:18] <area51pilot> \TSK: says cant load KDE
[20:18] <area51pilot> TSK: Failed to read mirrorfile
[20:19] <TSK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades
[20:20] <TSK> There's info on that page on how to upgrade normal non-KDE Ubuntu
[20:21] <area51pilot> TSK: Thx. I tried to boot from a cd of 10.10 but it kept displaying some password error, so it would never install.
[20:21] <area51pilot> TSK: It looks like it is upgrading correctly now
[20:21] <TSK> area51pilot: Good good.  :)
[20:22] <TSK> area51pilot: Now you just take a coffee break while it does it's thing...  ;)
[20:23] <TSK> Aighty, folks. I'ma get back to reading about Python and "hacking" XML. Y'all have fun. :)
[20:23] <area51pilot> TSK: I have 4 systems running in front of me...sitting back sounds nice....  :-P
[20:24] <area51pilot> TSK: Thx 4 the help
[20:24] <TSK> Heheheh...  Sounds like a case of information overload.  :)
[20:24] <area51pilot> TSK: No kidding  :)  ....administrators job inever ends
[20:24] <TSK> Yes indeedy.  :)
[20:25]  * TSK vanishes in a puff of electric green smoke.  *POOF*
[20:30] <Ken8521> WXZ, any luck?
[20:32] <duffydack> weird, dvd-rw discs I have blanked in maverick are not seen at all in lucid...
[20:35] <sam12345> what program did you use?
[20:36] <duffydack> brasero
[20:37] <duffydack> its actually got it right for a change in maverick.  in lucid my it burns my discs but sometimes doesnt show up as anything burned , or it wont eject, so I have to manually eject, but in maverick its 100%.
[20:38] <vee> btw how is the support for ati gfx cards in ubuntu??
[20:38] <duffydack> vee,  fine.
[20:38] <vee> good
[20:39] <duffydack> OpenGL renderer string: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650  :)
[20:40] <zeltak> hi guys.. im getting this weird isse when trying to upgrade from lucid to mavrick: http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3154/selection035.png
[20:40] <ThomasWaldmann> moin
[20:40] <ThomasWaldmann> is it just me or is the new update manager missing the package names in the list?
[20:40] <zeltak> has anyone seen this before
[20:40] <duffydack> its a borg sphere
[20:40] <duffydack> bloody thing.
[20:41]  * ThomasWaldmann wants to see package names there, as it used to be, instead of playing "guess from the description what package I am"
[20:43] <zeltak> guys i could really use some help im stuck with the upgrade... (see http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3154/selection035.png)
[20:44] <ThomasWaldmann> zeltak: for me it worked flawlessly, ~2w ago
[20:44] <zeltak> mmm thx ThomasWaldmann but unfortunantly not for me :(
[20:44] <Ken8521> zeltak, just another reason, i never upgrade(not that that helps any now.. but i have no idea)
[20:44] <ketan> when I start ubuntu it gives me message like modprob I can not write because it disappears in 1 or 2 seconds
[20:45] <zeltak> Ken8521: so you clean install every 6 months?
[20:45] <Ken8521> zeltak, affirmative
[20:45] <ThomasWaldmann> zeltak: what's the current state of your system?
[20:45] <Ken8521> it's not difficult when you keep proper backups
[20:45] <zeltak> man..i used to do that but now im really short on time thesedays..thought id try a dist-upgrade
[20:46] <zeltak> i dont get the error message..couldnt find anything in google related to the mavrick update
[20:46]  * ThomasWaldmann used update-manager -d
[20:46] <Ken8521> zeltak, reinstalling is faster than upgrading... the one upgrade i've done(8.04-8.10) took almost an hour.. ic an reinstall in 15min, have all "my" programs installed/uninstalled in under an hour.
[20:47] <BigbOy> i installed kubuntu 10.10 64bit.
[20:47] <BigbOy> can i change to gnome and keep it fully functional
[20:47] <zeltak> i see...still wanted to test iy
[20:47] <Ken8521> BigbOy, KDE is the closest thing to a linux virus we'll ever see.. treat it like windows, format/reinstall :)
[20:48] <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
[20:48] <zeltak> while funny i love kde :)
[20:48] <Ken8521> ugh... it nauseates me
[20:48] <zeltak> gnome is great but kde is pretty awesome to..
[20:49] <zeltak> try the 4.5 release it pretty neat
[20:49] <Ken8521> naaa.
[20:49] <ketan> I love gnome
[20:49] <interfaSys> 4.5.2 is very polished :)
[20:49] <ketan> I think KDE is similar to windows
[20:49] <ThomasWaldmann> so, is update-manager having lost the package-names "normal" or is it a bug?
[20:50] <ketan> gnome gives linux touch
[20:51] <trism> ThomasWaldmann: there is a gconf option to restore it to package name, then description, if that is what you mean (instead of the reverse that is default in maverick)
[20:52] <Ken8521> ketan, eh, i don't think KDE is similar to windows... there's some similarities, but honestly, i consider Windows more usable/funcational than KDE.. if it were KDE or bust for Linux, I'd use Windows.
[20:52] <trism> ThomasWaldmann: uncheck /apps/update-manager/summary_before_name
[20:52] <ThomasWaldmann> ah, thanks
[20:52] <BigbOy> so how do I get back gnome
[20:53] <duffydack> kde makes some cool apps, some just plain better than gnome equiv`s, but I`m staying with gnome, its nice to me
[20:53] <Ken8521> duffydack, there are some KDE apps i like..
[20:54] <Ken8521> but the GUI as a whole, is horrid
[20:54] <interfaSys> KDE is too unstable
[20:55] <Ken8521> BigbOy, how did you install KDE?  or did you install Kubuntu?
[20:55] <semitones> when you update from an alternate cd, should you unclick the thing that says "download the latest packages from the internet?"
[20:55] <ketan> Ken8521: windows is buggy and gives bluescreen errors
[20:55] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:55] <Ken8521> semitones, i chose to download updates... didn't give me any issues
[20:55] <BUGabundo> 2 more days
[20:55] <Ken8521> ketan, still better than KDE
[20:55] <BigbOy> i installed kubuntu 10,10
[20:55] <ketan> Ken8521: you can not see what is going on behind windows
[20:56] <Ken8521> ketan, could care less... i hate kde
[20:56] <ketan> Ken8521: Ok I give up
[20:56] <Ken8521> BigbOy, well, you can try to install gnome-desktop, but your'e still gonna have a ton of KDE stuff laying around
[20:56] <semitones> I ask because it seems like whenever I do, it downloads all the updates from the server, and doesn't use the alternate cd at all
[20:56] <Ken8521> ketan, i could have told you before you started, it was a fruitless battle :)
[20:57] <yofel> s/gnome-desktop/ubuntu-desktop/ - that should work better in our case
[20:57] <duffydack> I just fixed an xp netbook today (acer aspire)  it had a flash of a blue screen upon getting to the login screen and restarted.  ran ntfsfix in ubuntu live and it fixed it :) I should have REALLY fixed it but I had no authority there.
[20:57] <trism> semitones: it does use the packages on the cd, it just may happen you have many that aren't on the cd (I usually have about half on the cd, half from the internet)
[20:57] <ketan> Ken8521: you are right :)
[20:57] <duffydack> even safe mode didnt work.. how bad
[20:58] <ketan> Ken8521: but I like it becuase it is opensource and free
[20:58] <trism> semitones: also it may happen that if the cd is older, the packages in the repo that are on the cd may be newer
[20:58] <siegie> KDE is nice when you get used to it, but i think the whole plasma concept is to difficult for a ordinairy user
[20:58] <ThomasWaldmann> gconftool-2 -s /apps/update-manager/summary_before_name false --type boolean
[20:58] <ThomasWaldmann> (in case someone else needs that)
[20:58] <Ken8521> ketan, thats its only redeeming quality.... at least for the mentally disturbed portion of Linux users, they can choose it....
[20:59] <Ken8521> actually, i do agree w/ yuo there.. i love the fact we just don't get a GUI that Shuttleworth says is the best... there's plenty of GUI's to try out
[20:59] <semitones> trism, ok that makes sense :)
[21:00] <Ken8521> anyone know if WXZ ever got Windows to boot on that slave drive?
[21:01] <ThomasWaldmann> ah, so the release date will be 10.10.10? :)
[21:01] <Ken8521> lol.. guess we'll chalk you up as last to know
[21:01] <ThomasWaldmann> well, delays happen :)
[21:02] <semitones> i'm very happy with the RC so far :)
[21:02] <duffydack> I am impressed with unity..  its got simple compiz-like effects..
[21:02] <Ken8521> ugh, unity.
[21:02] <ketan> how to create shared memory in ubuntu?
[21:04] <BigbOy> ken8521, how big is the gnome desktop.........i'm using a slow mobile broadband connection (which took forever to set up with KDE)
[21:05] <Ken8521> honestly BigbOy i'm really not sure.
[21:05] <www2> i heft fount a dependesy conflict wit libgcc1-armel-cross (=4.5.1-7ubuntu1cross1.50) and libgcc1-dbg-armel-cross (1:4.5.1-7ubuntu1cross1.50) note the version numbers
[21:06] <Ken8521> BigbOy, there will be a lot of apps that get installed w/ the gnome-desktop... so.. i woudl think at least, 1-200mb.... but thats strictly a guess
[21:12] <ThomasWaldmann> btw, is someone experiencing redraw problems, like the gnome menu 2nd level not disappearing?
[21:18] <Ken8521> ThomasWaldmann, no probs like that, what graphics processor?
[21:19] <c3l> whats the difference of installing 10.10 now, or waiting for sunday? isnt the version basically done now, what will be added during the last day, saturday it is too..
[21:20] <ThomasWaldmann> Ken8521: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[21:20] <Ken8521> ThomasWaldmann, thats odd, same GPU i have
[21:20] <ThomasWaldmann> thinkpad x300
[21:21] <ThomasWaldmann> didn't happen with 10.04
[21:21] <Ken8521> strange
[21:21] <Ken8521> are you running 32bit?
[21:21] <ThomasWaldmann> yes, with pae
[21:22] <Ken8521> hmm.
[21:25] <Ken8521> ThomasWaldmann, whats PAE?
[21:26] <ThomasWaldmann> for me, some hundred megs more memory :)
[21:26] <ThomasWaldmann> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
[21:29] <Ken8521> ThomasWaldmann, i see... well, my laptop only has 2gigs of ram.. so i don't need PAE.
[21:29] <ThomasWaldmann> yeah. mine has 4gb and then pae makes quite a difference.
[21:30] <Ken8521> ya, i'm sure
[21:30] <ThomasWaldmann> btw, windows (desktop) doesn't have pae. :P
[21:30] <ThomasWaldmann> so one usually ends up with 3gb usable, even if 4 are installed
[21:33] <vee> is there a way to compile a list of installed apps from one pc and install on another pc
[21:33] <Ken8521> ah shoot.
[21:33] <Ken8521> what was the name of that app....
[21:34] <Ken8521> !clone | vee
[21:34] <vee> Ken8521:  Thanks again
[21:35] <Ken8521> vee, np..
[21:38] <duffydack> I just use 1 long apt-get line :)
[21:38] <duffydack> adds ppa`s and installs apps. job done
[21:40] <vee> i cant do this if running gnome on the first machine and kde on the one i want to move to
[21:40] <vee> ?
[21:42] <vee> can i do this if running gnome on the first machine and kde on the one i want to move to ????
[21:43] <duffydack> well I`d assume it would install ubuntu-desktop/gnome , if thats what you want
[21:43] <vee> duffydack:  that was that i was afraid of
[21:44] <duffydack> if you know what apps you have installed, just make a long apt-get install whatever
[21:44] <duffydack> copy paste
[21:45] <jmichaelx> any kubuntu users in here? upgraded to 10.10,everything fine, except that the letters in the menu bar in firefox are now all black... and unreadable with any darker persona... any suggestions?
[21:45] <duffydack> hmm, good to see upgrades are still a waste of time..  fresh installs all the way for me.
[21:46] <Ken8521> how come kubuntu+1 is invite only?
[21:46] <Ken8521> duffydack, o/
[21:47] <vee> duffydack:  i suppose i have to use my brain now =)
[21:48] <jmichaelx> it's funny that there even in a #kubuntu+1, considering that #kubuntu itself has been nearly dead for a few years
[21:48] <Ken8521> vee, are you trying to clone a system, or what?
[21:49] <Ken8521> jmichaelx, there's 260 people there
[21:49] <Ken8521> i wish sound would tunnel w/ remote desktop.
[21:49] <vee> Ken8521:  no ive just grown fond of my system and wanted to automate all apps on to my other computer but i guess i will have to write a very long apt-get
[21:50] <Ken8521> vee, did you look at clone?
[21:50] <Ken8521> its' not that difficult
[21:50] <jmichaelx> Ken8521: those 260 people sure whoop it up with all the convo.... very frequently several hours go by with nothing said at all.... very frequently
[21:51] <Ken8521> jmichaelx, well, go liven em up
[21:51] <Ken8521> or switch to the King's GUI... Gnome
[21:51] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey. How do i activate the 10.10 multitouch gestures?
[21:52] <jmichaelx> Ken8521: my comment was only in relation to the idea of an invite-only #kubuntu+1. i didn't say i had an issue with KDE
[21:52] <Ken8521> ok...
[21:53] <vee> Ken8521:  but i want to try kde on my other pc so i will use apt-get this time. but i shall definately take a look at clone
[21:57] <BigbOy__> I've decided to install kubuntu restricted extras and hope everything works fine
[21:57] <Ken8521> BigbOy__, why would that package cause a problem?.. it's juts multimedia codecs for the most part
[22:00] <siegie> jmichaelx: i'm a kubuntu user
[22:02] <yofel> hm, kubuntu+1 redirected to this channel once, wonder what happened
[22:02]  * yofel is a kubuntu user too btw.
[22:02] <yofel> jmichaelx: and it's NOT dead
[22:03] <yofel> oh, you mean the channel, well, it's not dead, but not much going on there yes :/
[22:03] <siegie> jmichaelx: anyway i hide the firefox menu bar, don't know why i would need it.
[22:05] <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, try searching for "wiki" in ubuntu software center :|
[22:06] <yofel> and the redirect does work in xchat, just quassel gives me a 'you must be invited' message o.O
[22:09] <yofel> correction, it only gives that message if I'm already in #ubuntu+1