[11:11] <IceDC571> cyphase: um... gparted?
[11:11] <samuelk> how do i mount a iso file
[11:12] <cyphase> thanx IceDC571
[11:13] <IceDC571> some girl on my buddylist is like "i'm such a Qt!" and im like wow thats a linux term
[11:13] <cyphase> lol
[11:14] <DavidLeeRoth> Qtparted! W00 w00
[11:14] <DavidLeeRoth> qtpart her legs
[11:14] <Ribs> lol
[11:14] <siimo> anyone here know how to use totem?
[11:15] <siimo> it plays all my videos but i only hear sound and screen stays blue
[11:15] <DavidLeeRoth> thats the van halen in me talkin' (bout love)
[11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok kde has pissed me off >.<
[11:15] <DavidLeeRoth> use a terminal
[11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to uninstall it?
[11:15] <DavidLeeRoth> apt-get remove kde
[11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank you
[11:15] <Nermal> samuelk, mount -t iso9660 -o loopback /path/to/iso /mountpoint
[11:15] <DavidLeeRoth> np
[11:16] <hmrocha> Hello
[11:16] <samuelk> nermal found it :D
[11:16] <hmrocha> How can I rip cd's to mp3?
[11:16] <Nermal> hmrocha, grip ?
[11:16] <Nermal> grip has cddb support too
[11:16] <hmrocha> Sound Juicer only supports Vorbis and Flac
[11:16] <hmrocha> Vorbis is great because it's an open format, but my ipod doesn't understand the format
[11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> says it coulden't find kde or kde desktop
[11:17] <IceDC571> yeah i rip all my cds to flac and use foobar to convert to mp3s
[11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i want that shit offa my box
[11:17] <IceDC571> lol ChurcH_of_FoamY
[11:17] <IceDC571> lets see
[11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i made a mistake installing it >.<
[11:17] <ce_hiphop> aaaiii
[11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and now have gotten sick of it
[11:18] <ce_hiphop> ai
[11:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and want it to go ""poof"
[11:18] <ce_hiphop> yi
[11:18] <ce_hiphop> ik
[11:18] <IceDC571> ChurcH_of_FoamY: aptitude purge kde
[11:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[11:18] <IceDC571> that will hopefully get rid of kde and all of its configuration files
[11:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank you
[11:19] <cbreathe> Question: How do I convince the screen resolution preferences dialog that 85 Hz is an acceptable refresh rate?
[11:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm that was quick....suspicously quick O_o
[11:20] <nomike> universe is cool
[11:20] <nomike> *g*
[11:20] <IceDC571> ChurcH_of_FoamY: actually it might be aptitude purge kdebase
[11:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k will try
[11:21] <IceDC571> i'm not used to removing kde.. its a real bitch to get rid of
[11:21] <IceDC571> speaking of bitches, what happened to BitchX?
[11:21] <IceDC571> it was popular back when i used mandrake
[11:21] <nightswim> yes
[11:21] <Arnia> !!!!
[11:21] <ubotu> I don't know, Arnia
[11:21] <nightswim> but it has been obsoleted by irssi
[11:21] <cbreathe> IceDC571, I like BitchX. ^^
[11:21] <Arnia> news.bbc.co.uk
[11:21] <Arnia> Umm... it is scary
[11:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are there any known problems with point2play and ubuntu?
[11:22] <nomed> hi
[11:22] <Arnia> Bus has exploded in London
[11:22] <nomed> i'm trying to build a deb package from source
[11:23] <Arnia> Tube network shut down [all off the BBC News 24 ticker]
[11:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone seen kapming_kaiser here tonight/day respectivly
[11:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i am never using kde again >.<
[11:24] <IceDC571> Arnia: wow that is scary
[11:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to tweakable and to much to go wrong
[11:25] <cbreathe> ChurcH_of_FoamY, What do you prefer?
[11:25] <Arnia> IceDC571: Explosions in the underground, Russell Square, Oldgate so far
[11:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> used to be kde now it's just gnome
[11:26] <Nermal> Arnia, no bus explosion
[11:26] <IceDC571> lol.. walt disney uses gnome to create their animated movies now
[11:26] <Arnia> 3 buses in central london now
[11:26] <Arnia> (BBC News 24 breaking reports)
[11:26] <Nermal> Arnia, I'm watching the ticker too
[11:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> WOW thats awsome
[11:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats going on?
[11:27] <Arnia> Several explosions in London
[11:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[11:28] <DavidLeeRoth> Whats crackin yall?
[11:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do they know whats goin on yet?
[11:29] <Arnia> Nope
[11:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm trying to find out on cnn.com
[11:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but don't see anything as of yet
[11:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <---lives in the ewww us
[11:29] <Arnia> 3 bus explosions, several tube explosions from what I can tell
[11:30] <papsmurf> can anyone help me out with this small problem?... I'm trying to associate the mp3 mime type to open with Beep Media Player, but when trying to open multiple files at once, it will only load one.  If I use the -e argument, it will add to the playlist but not clear whats currently there.   :-)   "Libertarian Futurist Society"
[11:51] <prego> yesterday already asked this, but let's try it again :-P. I'm going to buy a new computer and I have to choose between AGP or pci-express Nvidia card. pci-express seems to be better but will I have problems installing hoary?
[11:52] <rob^> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[11:52] <jean-jacques> i've just added to /etc/apt/sources.list a reference to sid packages, is it dangerous to update my ubuntu hoary with this line ?
[11:52] <rob^> sorry, that was mainly aimed at ChurcH_of_FoamY
[11:52] <nalioth_zZz> prego: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SupportedHardware
[11:52] <rob^> jean-jacques, can be
[11:52] <nalioth_zZz> jean-jacques: it is dangerous to mix debian and ubuntu packages
[11:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> rob^ thanx man this may help out quite a bit
[11:53] <rob^> np
[11:53] <nalioth_zZz> ChurcH_of_FoamY: don't you ever sleep?
[11:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sometimes
[11:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when the voices in my head tell me to
[11:54] <nalioth_zZz> i have an excuse, i'm sleep-typing
[11:54] <rob^> once he has winex going he might not
[11:54] <luzbelito> anyone know a good web for download wallpapers ???
[11:54] <nalioth_zZz> qemu
[11:54] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: www.deviantart.com
[11:55] <rob^> luzbelito, http://www.gnome-look.org/
[11:55] <luzbelito> thanks nalioth and rob
[11:55] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: www.kde-look.org
[11:55] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: wallpapers.com
[11:55] <luzbelito> y use gnome
[11:55] <luzbelito> i like very much deviant !!! any similar?
[11:55] <rob^> y not?
[11:55] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: jpgs are jpgs
[11:56] <luzbelito> yeah, that's true nalioth
[11:56] <luzbelito> sorry me
[11:56] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: i think deviantart is in a class  by itself
[11:56] <rob^> its quite good
[11:57] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: not only does deviantart have wallpapers, they have gnome-themes, icon packs, and much more
[11:57] <luzbelito> how can i configure gdesklets starts at boot ?????
[11:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dude use gkrellm it works better
[11:58] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: system > preferences > session manager
[11:58] <prego> nalioth_zZz, nothing there about pciexpress :-((
[11:58] <prego> anyone using pciexpress card here??
[11:59] <nalioth_zZz> prego: you will be fine, just don't expect stellar SLI performance (closed source driver)
[11:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so how's the london thingy going have they found anything new
[11:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <---dosen't have a tv
[11:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but has cable >.<
[12:00] <prego> nalioth_zZz, SLI?
[12:00] <luzbelito> how can i configure a script for launch adsl connection?
[12:01] <luzbelito> i use sagem 800, so i must do eaglectrl -d and 30 seg later startadsl
[12:01] <nalioth_zZz> prego: scan line interface (having 2 pciX nvidia cards feeding ONE monitor
[12:02] <nalioth_zZz> prego: the driver is nvidia closed source
[12:02] <prego> nalioth_zZz, so it will work afterall ;-) thanks for your help. Don't pretend to do heavy things but if it costs amlost same money I prefer latest technology if runs under ubuntu...
[12:03] <prego> nalioth_zZz, I've been using nvidia drivers for long... but didn't know about pciexpress issues if any...
[12:03] <luzbelito> how can i configure a script for launch adsl connection?
[12:03] <prego> luzbelito, I tried to do that and I didn't success -((
[12:03] <luzbelito> prego: uuuuu, what happen?
[12:04] <prego> luzbelito, the modem didn't start as I expected I don't know...
[12:05] <Hajuu> Hey.. I just installed windows last night ontop of my existing ubuntu install so I could play some games... But the windows XP boot loader isn't giving me an option to boot to linux instead of windows.. How can I make grub my default boot loader instead?
[12:05] <nalioth_zZz> prego: if all else fails, you can use the VESA driver til nvidia drivers catch up
[12:05] <prego> nalioth_zZz, OK thank-you very much. I was scared that the pci-express wouldn't work at all
[12:06] <nalioth_zZz> Hajuu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:06] <heatxsink> hello all
[12:06] <nalioth_zZz> Hajuu: windows hates linux, always install windows first in a dual boot environment
[12:06] <heatxsink> sorry for the weird question but how do I get the .config for my kernel in ubuntu?
[12:07] <nightswim> /boot/config-yourkernel
[12:07] <nomed> do you know an icon theme that include an iconrc file .. ?
[12:07] <heatxsink> nightswim, so I just cp htat to .config?
[12:07] <nomike> I need the package libperl5.6 (at least vhcs manual tells me I need it). but apt-get doesn't seem to know it (universe repo) Where do I get it, or is it just named different?
[12:07] <nightswim> heatxsink: yes
[12:08] <nomike> heatsink: /proc/config.gz conatins the config of the actual runing kernel, and this is common on all linux 2.6 systems
[12:08] <heatxsink> ahh
[12:09] <heatxsink> nightswim, I guess I don't have the source tree that was for my kernel
[12:09] <heatxsink> I'm trying to compile the wlan-ng drivers for a wireless card of mine
[12:10] <heatxsink> nightswim, any idea how I can get a copy of the kernel tree for 2.6.10-5-686
[12:10] <heatxsink> nomike, try multiverse?
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> have a freind telling me about the explosions in london in teamspeak
[12:12] <djp> it appears that my city is under some kind of attack...
[12:12] <dom__> hello all
[12:13] <dom__> just booted ubuntu for first time
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> wow, all the programs I've installed for ubuntu still hasn't broken 4 gigs
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> is the same for you?  It's still 3.2 gigs
[12:13] <dom__> dunno
[12:13] <dom__> i have a question though...
[12:13] <jo> hi i have cpu:400mhz ram:64mb graph:8mb hdd:10gb and i would like to install ubuntu ,but i don't know if my comp is to slow.how do you think ?maybe another distribution?i will use it only for openofice,
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> well, du -sh / and then subtract du -sh /home
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 8 victims for shure :(
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> er, not /..  I mean df -h
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> subtract du -sh /home from df -h /
[12:15] <dom__> i've setup a dual boot w/ ubuntu and winxp.  how can i setup the partitions so that i can see the files between OS's
[12:15] <nightswim> dom__: use fat32
[12:16] <dom__> i am, on both partitions
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> dom__: you need to add them to your fstab
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> dom__: first off, sudo fdisk -l to see what devices you've got
[12:16] <Rydekull> http://hdaps.sf.net :)
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> dom__: then test mount them with the mount command, to empty directories
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> dom__: then if that all works out peachy, add lines to fstab in the order in which you want it to mount them
[12:17] <dom__> /dev/sda1   *           1        6179    49632786    7  HPFS/NTFS
[12:17] <dom__> /dev/sda2            6180        9851    29495340   83  Linux
[12:17] <dom__> /dev/sda3            9852       10011     1285200    5  Extended
[12:17] <dom__> /dev/sda5            9852       10011     1285168+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> dom__: you don't have to tell us.  Try and figure this out
[12:17] <dom__> alright
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> wait, didn't you say you're using fat32?
[12:18] <dom__> well i think my partitions are a little funky right now
[12:18] <dom__> well
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> if you were, those should have come up as vfat
[12:18] <dom__> i originally had NTFS on my XP install.  when i wanted to use Ubuntu i knew linux can't do NTFS, so i used Partition Magic to convert the partition and to make a new partition for Ubuntu
[12:19] <Hajuu> Hey.. I just installed windows last night ontop of my existing ubuntu install so I could play some games... But the windows XP boot loader isn't giving me an option to boot to linux instead of windows.. How can I make grub my default boot loader instead?
[12:19] <cyphase> European Software Patent Bill Thrown Out -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4655955.stm
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> !grub
[12:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> hmm, where's the fixgrubhowto
[12:19] <bionic> when making the kernel with make kpkg, where does the .deb file store? I cant find it in the current dir, and not in /usr/src/ .. anyone please?
[12:19] <umar> anyone can tell me how to setup lirc in ubuntu
[12:20] <umar> i need some help
[12:20] <Hajuu> Is that what I need, tiglionabbit?
[12:20] <bionic> umar, sudo apt-get install lirc ?
[12:20] <dom__> well, despite the fact that i'm apprently not using fat32 on my xp partition, when i'm in windows, i can't see the linux partition
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: I am not 100% sure, but I believe you can simply boot from your ubuntu CD and do a "repair"
[12:20] <Hajuu> cause I gotta get off windows heh.. it's poison.
[12:21] <Hajuu> "repair" eh?
[12:21] <Hajuu> My ubuntu install cd, or my live cd?
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: yes.  You should ask someone about this, and read around though
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> install
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> live cd there is a way too
[12:21] <umar> package lirc has no installation candidate
[12:21] <Hajuu> hmmm
[12:21] <umar> this is wat i m getting
[12:21] <Hajuu> Give it a go
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: urk, I'm giving you very flakey advice here
[12:22] <bionic> umar, update your sources.list
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: so don't trust me.  Read up first.  I can't find the old wiki entries that used to be there
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> Oh I found it!
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> windows
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> oops
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:23] <rob^> is there gnome themes on deviantart.com?
[12:23] <umar> this is wat i m getting with apt-get update  Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[12:24] <umar> i tried many times
[12:24] <bionic> umar, holdon
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: I believe this is the proper method...  it's wiki-ized, so, good luck
[12:24] <umar> ok
[12:24] <umar> i m waiting
[12:24] <luzbelito> umar: show me in private your sources.list
[12:25] <umar> ok
[12:25] <Hajuu> hehe cheers, tiglionabbit
[12:25] <Hajuu> looks good
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> hope it works for ya
[12:26] <luzbelito> umar: copy and paste in irc
[12:26] <luzbelito> private msg pls
[12:26] <umar> ok
[12:26] <bionic> umar, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories , dont forget to sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install lirc
[12:27] <umar> i already replaced
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:28] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:28] <umar> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[12:28] <umar> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[12:28] <umar> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[12:28] <umar> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[12:28] <umar> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[12:28] <umar> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[12:28] <umar> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[12:28] <goldfish> .....
[12:28] <umar> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[12:29] <zeedo> lol
[12:29] <umar> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[12:29] <goldfish> .....
[12:29] <umar> ## repository.
[12:29] <umar> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[12:29] <goldfish> Ffs.
[12:29] <umar> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[12:29] <umar> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> umar, do not paste here
[12:29] <umar> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[12:29] <umar> ## team.
[12:29] <umar> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:29] <umar> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:29] <umar> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:29] <umar> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:29] <umar> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:29] <umar> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:29] <umar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[12:29] <Hajuu> Good god.
[12:29] <umar> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> ='{
[12:29] <umar> ## Backports
[12:29] <umar> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:29] <umar> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:29] <thenuke> nice one :)
[12:29] <umar> this is my source list
[12:29] <Hajuu> haha
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> umar: never do that.  Use a pastebin
[12:29] <zeedo> umar: yeh, no kidding
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> !pastebin
[12:29] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood they get busy look before you leap/paste..
[12:29] <thenuke> umar: yes we ALL are very interested about that ;D
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget pastebin
[12:30] <ubotu> i forgot pastebin, tiglionabbit
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> ubotu pastebin is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[12:30] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[12:31] <nomike> how do I grant a user to su - to root?
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[12:31] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:31] <nomike> (there is no group wheel ?!?)
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> nomike: what?
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> nomike: system -> admin -> users and groups
[12:31] <mjr> nomike, add him to /etc/sudoers and he can sudo to root
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> nomike: just make them an admin user, and they will be able to use sudo
[12:31] <LAS> UTKU.O
[12:31] <rob^> anyone know if theres a "gnome" theme category in deviantart?
[12:32] <mjr> nomike, nobody can su - to root by default, since root doesn't have a password
[12:32] <nomike> i don't want to sudo, i just want to su
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> nomike: then sudo su
[12:32] <LAS> ASTAQ ELLUNE
[12:32] <mjr> then just give root a password
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> nomike: sudo -s is the same thing as su
[12:32] <nomike> aha
[12:32] <mjr> and what tiglionabbit said
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> nomike: and so is sudo su
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> only they both use your user password, rather than a root one
[12:33] <prego> tiglionabbit, what about "sudo bash"? would it be the same?
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> prego: sure, but that'll open a second instance of bash
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> prego: unnecessary
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> or does sudo -s do that too?
[12:33] <xophEr> Hi! I installed an external eth0 driver, how can I get eth0 to be 'ifupped' automatically?
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> hmm, seems pretty similar, you may be right, prego
[12:35] <feedback> hello... I just upgraded to amd64, is there a way to upgrade the whole system without reinstalling?
[12:36] <mjr> feedback, not a very clean one
[12:36] <feedback> mjr: whatever :) that's fine
[12:36] <feedback> i have NO hd's to backup my data to
[12:37] <mjr> I'd just recommend reinstalling after deleting the stuff that you don't need from the disk
[12:37] <feedback> i'd rather upgrade<PHONE_NUMBER>8 packages than backup'ing them and reinstalling :)
[12:37] <mjr> eg. delete everything but /home, and install on the same partition without initializing it
[12:37] <feedback> uhm.
[12:37] <jeroen_> putting /home in a separate partition is better
[12:38] <feedback> there should be a different way
[12:38] <feedback> jeroen_: it is, but i have no way to do this ;)
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> say guys, have any of you exceeded 4 gigs in root yet?
[12:38] <mjr> jeroen_, that's just unflexible; it's not so much of a bother to do what I said that it'd warrant partitioning, imao
[12:39] <mjr> especially considering that you're not likely to switch architectures that often
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> architectures?  How about OSs?
[12:40] <mjr> you doing that often then? ;)
[12:40] <mjr> I don't think it's very usual
[12:40] <feedback> mjr: i'm used to using oly one partition :)
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> mjr: well, I was planning on adding gentoo to this, alongside ubuntu.  Maybe fedora as well
[12:40] <jeroen_> tiglionabbit, not above 4 gig in /, with separate /home
[12:40] <mjr> and, nevertheless, still that "delete everything except home dirs" works just fine
[12:40] <feedback> mjr: is that the ONLY way?
[12:40] <LAS> OIN                                           NMJ<YTHGFFFFFDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> thing is though, I expected my installs to take more space.  I've been giving root 10 gigs, but that's way too much
[12:41] <feedback> there should be a way to "trick" apt
[12:41] <mjr> feedback, probably not the only way, but I'd say it's the hellaeasiest way
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> oh I know
[12:42] <tiglionabbit> what if I ch..   hmm, might not be much space left over, but what do you think would be my fate if I chopped this 10 gig partition in half, and stuck gentoo on the second 5 gigs, with my home directory on a separate 10 gig partition?
[12:43] <mjr> feedback, butbutbut
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> trick apt into what?  chroot?
[12:43] <jeroen_> ubotu, !help
[12:43] <ubotu> I don't know, jeroen_
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> !help
[12:43] <LokeDK> Tried to add a kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions but it doesn't appear in gdm?
[12:44] <jeroen_> ubotu, !instructions
[12:44] <ubotu> jeroen_: I give up, what is it?
[12:44] <mjr> feedback, you might be able to get away with installing the amd64 version in a subdirectory with debootstrap, and then moving the directories generated there to replace the ones at root
[12:44] <feedback> mjr: i'd have to download the iso
[12:44] <tiglionabbit> where can I find grub
[12:44] <feedback> mhmh i'll do that
[12:44] <feedback> mjr: haha
[12:44] <tiglionabbit> darn, ubotu doesn't live up to its explanation
[12:44] <feedback> i just tried to dpkg the apt amd64 version
[12:44] <feedback> and...
[12:44] <feedback> marco@pride ~ $ apt-get
[12:44] <feedback> bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file
[12:44] <prego> is sata really faster than ide?
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> LokeDK: whatchoo doin?  If you want KDE, use kubuntu-desktop
[12:45] <LokeDK> tiglionabbit, isn't it enough with just apt-get install kde? there was a lot of packages
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> LokeDK: kubuntu-desktop has many less packages
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> shoulda got kubuntu =P
[12:46] <LokeDK> tiglionabbit, if I try that it says
[12:46] <LokeDK> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:46] <LokeDK>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: konversation but it is not going to be installed
[12:46] <LokeDK> E: Broken packages
[12:46] <LokeDK> [loke@wombat ~] $
[12:47] <LokeDK> and something more.. don't wanna spam
[12:47] <jeroen_> LokeDK, backports
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> LokeDK: are your sources correct?
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[12:47] <ubotu> I guess backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[12:47] <ubotu> hmm... sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:47] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:47] <LokeDK> yes I have backports
[12:47] <aleksi> how do I chech wich ssh user have loggen in?
[12:47] <juan> esta ivan por ahio?
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> aleksi: users
[12:48] <ivoks> anyone has exp with rt2500?
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> aleksi: for more info, use w
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> or who
[12:48] <aleksi> ivoks: I have
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> or last
[12:48] <aleksi> ivoks: there is good howto about installation in ubuntu wiki
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> aleksi: got all of those?  users who w last.  To see what they're doing, ps -u theirname
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> !apt
[12:49] <ubotu> I guess apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> !synaptic
[12:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[12:49] <ivoks> aleksi: i know, thanks
[12:50] <tiglionabbit> aleksi: those commands help?
[12:51] <jtan325__> what's the easiest way to do remote desktop from a linux to linux machine
[12:51] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: use vcnviewer, or places -> connect to server
[12:51] <tiglionabbit> I mean vncviewer
[12:51] <jtan325__> right. but what services does the "server" computer need to run?
[12:51] <aleksi> tiglionabbit: thanks
[12:52] <tiglionabbit> you can set it up to serve for vncviewer in system -> prefs -> remote desktop
[12:52] <jtan325__> i can't seem to connect to my work computer even though i've enabled the remote desktop preferences to be pretty lax
[12:52] <jtan325__> do i need to pass in any arguments about the display or something
[12:53] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: got one serving and the other logging in to the correct url?
[12:53] <jtan325__> i have no idea what "localhost:0" means
[12:53] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: that may be your problem right there
[12:53] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: that means yourself, your own computer
[12:53] <jeroen_> jtan325__, server localhost, port 0 I think
[12:53] <LAS> goina.etc
[12:53] <jtan325__> ok
[12:54] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: you'll need to make sure you're routed properly at work, and get a proper IP address.  You can get a dns for it at http://dyndns.org
[12:54] <jtan325__> so what would i need to do as the command line to connect to my work computer, if i know it's IP address
[12:54] <jtan325__> and if i have enabled others to view/control its desktop
[12:54] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: just type vncviewer and then the IP or DNS
[12:54] <LAS> goina/etc//cokins //con
[12:54] <jtan325__> and i have set the option that I do NOT need to ask for confirmation
[12:55] <jtan325__> "ConnectToTcPAddr: no route to host"
[12:55] <jtan325__> how do make sure "i am properly routed"
[12:55] <LAS> goina/etc//cokins//com
[12:56] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: hmm...
[12:56] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: your work probably has a router that does not forward ports to you specifically...
[12:56] <LokeDK> http://pastebin.com/308844 this is what i get if I try to install kubuntu-desktop
[12:56] <PDani> hi
[12:57] <LAS> vegas arraiking  aniz //|
[12:57] <PDani> how can i resize a window, or put it to an other workspace from commandline?
[12:57] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: say ifconfig on your work computer, and see if it reports your IP address as something starting with 192.168 or 255.255.  If it does, chances are that is an internal IP address, and ports need to be forwarded for you to connect to it from outside
[12:58] <Manny> hmm...a bit quiet?
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> nah, just since you came in, Manny
[12:58] <Manny> i take it everyone is watching the news?
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> no, just that no one has said anything in the last 5 seconds
[12:58] <Manny> most uk news sites are overloaded...excl bbc
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> hmm, what's happening?
[12:59] <Manny> six bombs went off in london town
[12:59] <tiglionabbit> and uh, PDani, I have no idea how to answer your question
[12:59] <xliu> using Archieve Manager to extract a RAR Chinese file, it ends up with an error message"Error encoding.". So anyone knows how to correct it?
[01:00] <tiglionabbit> xliu: some rar formats are proprietary.  You may need rar-nonfree
[01:00] <jtan325__> tiglionabbit, i have done ifconfig at work many times
[01:00] <jtan325__> and my ip address begins with 128.208.....
[01:00] <xliu> ok ,thanks tiglionabbit
[01:00] <PDani> tiglionabbit: there's a commandline application (i don't remember its name), which can change the properties of an X11 window by its name, or title, etc
[01:00] <jtan325__> it is a dynamic ip i think
[01:01] <xliu> is rar-nonfree an application?
[01:01] <jtan325__> i am on the same "internal network" as my work computer, in that we are both on the campus network
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: a good outside line?  Ok, some time at work, register a domain at dyndns.org and try ssh-ing it (with the openssh server installed at work)
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> ooooh
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> in that case routing shouldn't be too much of a problem
[01:02] <tiglionabbit> xliu: rar-nonfree is a package you can get from apt (use synaptic).  It will add a capability to your already-installed archive managers
[01:02] <jtan325__> oh yeah i was actually trying to setup openssh on my work computer today, but i had no idea what arguments to pass into the commandline
[01:02] <jtan325__> how do i go about routing then?
[01:03] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: all you have to do is install the openssh server, and you're good.  To log in to it, say ssh username@IPorDNS
[01:03] <tiglionabbit> like for instance, I would say ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:03] <tiglionabbit> to log in to my own computer
[01:04] <donny_rafael> hi all
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> I have no idea what your routing situation is, but I bet getting a dyndns will make things easier to remember
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> hello, welcome to ubuntu
[01:04] <jtan325__> hmmm "connect to host 128....:port22: no route to host"
[01:04] <donny_rafael> ty
[01:05] <goldfish> jtan325__: are u behind a router?
[01:05] <jtan325__> no
[01:05] <jtan325__> i just plug in to the ethernet port in the wall
[01:05] <goldfish> hmmm.
[01:05] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: to see if it's configured properly, do the command I just said above there to log in to my computer right now.  Tell me if you get to the password entry stage
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: so do ya?
[01:06] <jtan325__> hmmm no
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> really?  What happens?
[01:06] <jtan325__> "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:07] <tiglionabbit> yeah
[01:07] <jtan325__> it seems to be "hanging"
[01:07] <alkuovi> I was wondering, is it ok to click the shutdown button while programs are running? I usually have xmms and terminal windows open.
[01:07] <jtan325__> this doesn't make sense, because i'm able to do RSA and ssh into my department's ssh server
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> alkuovi: well, some programs may have quit scripts that are important.  I am not sure whether or not these are executed when you do a shutdown like that.  But most window managers are able to handle saving the session and such things
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> so I wouldn't worry about it
[01:08] <jtan325__> i.e. "ssh attu.cs.washington.edu" works fine for me, i don't even need to type my password
[01:08] <jtan325__> because i have RSA/DSA setup
[01:08] <jtan325__> so....
[01:08] <alkuovi> thanks for the info
[01:09] <znh> guys, I've got a 220mhz laptop here with 48megs of ram.. It has a wireless card (rt2500) is that a known supported card?
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: well, I can connect to that.  I can connect to my own, too, tunneling through a machine in florida, so I'm sure it SHOULD work for you too
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> that machine would be pridelands.org, which you could test as well
[01:10] <umar> now i have install lirc with apt-get
[01:10] <umar> how can i configure it with my tv tuner remote
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> umar: hooray for you
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> umar: it probably has a manual, help file, info, and perhaps a website
[01:11] <umar> ok i will consult it fron there
[01:11] <unome> how do you configure anacron to send mail to a particular user?
[01:11] <jtan325__> tiglionabbit, it works when i do "ssh pridelands.org"
[01:11] <jtan325__> i.e. prompted for password after i add it to my list of known hosts
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: okay, then I don't know why you can't connect to me
[01:11] <umar> thxs alot for u all for helping
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: =P
[01:11] <umar> i first time came here and found the solution
[01:11] <luzbelito> someone knows any similar page to deviantart.com ???
[01:12] <znh> Does anyone know the minimum system requirements for VNC(client) ?
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> umar: well awesome, I hope you have good luck with us in the future
[01:12] <jtan325__> what's the easiest way to find my ip address
[01:12] <js_> /sbin/ifconfig
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: ifconfig
[01:12] <unome> !VNC
[01:12] <ubotu> No idea, unome
[01:12] <rob^> http://www.gnome-look.org/
[01:12] <jtan325__> right that's what i have been using
[01:12] <jtan325__> and my IP should be the address next to "inet addr:"
[01:12] <jtan325__> on the second line?
[01:12] <Tsar_vonHumbug> not if you're using pppoe ...
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> yes, if that's the section for eth0, and not lo
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> oh
[01:13] <znh> jtan325__: typ this: /sbin/ifconfig | grep inet addr
[01:13] <znh> jtan325__: typ this: /sbin/ifconfig | grep inet-addr
[01:13] <jtan325__> yeah i did, i know what my ip is
[01:13] <jtan325__> what i am going to do
[01:13] <znh> is
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> znh: that wont help him.  Then eth0 and loopback can't be told apart
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> and besides, it's a space, not a hyphon
[01:14] <znh> tiglionabbit: oh ok :)
[01:14] <Tsunamii> night
[01:14] <jtan325__> no no i understand which one's my ip. but what i am going to do is
[01:14] <znh> night Tsunamii
[01:14] <jtan325__> install openssh-server on this computer i'm on right now at home
[01:14] <jtan325__> and then try to ssh in from work
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> good idea
[01:14] <jtan325__> and hopefully i can remote desktop using X11 forwarding or something, which i have no idea what that means
[01:15] <goldfish> jtan325__: you can ue vnc
[01:15] <goldfish> for remote X session
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: I think you would be best off just using the connect to server feature, to access your files
[01:15] <Tsar_vonHumbug> ssh takes care of the X for you - just set your display and you're good
[01:15] <jtan325__> what is the command line to get to that feature
[01:15] <jtan325__> (i use fluxbox)
[01:15] <js_> jtan325__: for X11 forwarding you need a local x server on the box you want to forward to
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: oh it's gui all the way
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> no idea, built into gnome
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> ssh or ftp give the same capabilities though
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> only through commandline
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> actually, what you could do is ssh in, then run nautilus
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> viola, files
[01:17] <DevGet> I'm trying to upgrade to breezy, but I get error about: Unpacking x-common (from .../archives/x-common_1.02_all.deb) ...
[01:17] <DevGet> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.02_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/X11', which is also in package xorg-common
[01:17] <DevGet> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:17] <DevGet>  /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.02_all.deb
[01:17] <DevGet> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:17] <js_> tiglionabbit: that would require x11 forwarding enabled in the sshd_config
[01:17] <jtan325__> hmmm... js_ how do you set up a local x server?
[01:17] <bimberi> znh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[01:17] <js_> jtan325__: on what os?
[01:17] <znh> bimberi: thanks!
[01:17] <jtan325__> ubuntu for both
[01:17] <jtan325__> hoary
[01:17] <bimberi> znh: yw :)
[01:17] <js_> jtan325__: if youve already got a graphic environment on both you have an X server running on both
[01:17] <jtan325__> ok awesome
[01:18] <js_> jtan325__: you need to enable X11Forward in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[01:18] <js_> jtan325__: then ssh with ssh -X user@host
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> js_: oh.  Well uh, it worked for me with the unix server.  I guess it's the sever that matters then?
[01:18] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, getting help, eh?
[01:18] <kbrooks> :)
[01:18] <js_> jtan325__: you can also set up your display manager to accept XDMCP requests, so you can log on to it remotely using the display manager
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> sorry, by the unix server I mean the campus one =P
[01:18] <js_> tiglionabbit: yes
[01:19] <cyphase> Go to Freenode channel #anything to talk about anything
[01:19] <tiglionabbit> kbrooks: getting help with what?  Heh, I was sort of the one giving it for a second there.  Just trying to be useful really
[01:19] <jtan325__> hmmm js_ if i am currently logged in to my work computer right now, will it not work
[01:19] <jtan325__> and when i do "ssh -X<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:19] <jtan325__> it says "no route to host"
[01:20] <kbrooks> cyphase, you are reinventing the wheel. there is a channel already that i setup for that. the linux-pub... at #linux-pub
[01:20] <cyphase> kbrooks, linux-pub
[01:20] <cyphase> linux..
[01:20] <cyphase> lol
[01:20] <no_gatez_fan> good morning
[01:20] <Tsar_vonHumbug> jtan325 - try ping to that IP...
[01:20] <kbrooks> cyphase, yeah, and you can talk about anything
[01:20] <jtan325__> Destinating Host Unreachable
[01:21] <jtan325__> does that mean i have the IP address of my work computer wrong?
[01:23] <tremor> hi people, i have a problem, everytime i boot my computer (ubuntu hoary), i get the message "critical temperature reached, 101C, shutting down", but my bios indicates ~57C
[01:23] <kbrooks> hmmm
[01:23] <tremor> is there some way to get around this message ?
[01:23] <tiglionabbit> ouch.  People have the most interesting hardware problems sometimes, don't they tremor?
[01:23] <jtan325__> what is this "routing", and what can i do to fix it
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: when we say routing, what we mean is...
[01:24] <tremor> i can boot without any problems to windows and play gta:sa without any problems, but the moment i boot ubuntu, my pc shuts down
[01:24] <kbrooks> tremor, um, ok
[01:25] <jtan325__> i just installed openssh-server on this home computer
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> a lot of the time, computers are not connected directly to the internet with their own IP, but instead share internet through another computer (or "router") that routes them to it.  Often this "protects" them from incoming connections, because the "router" discards any incoming connections that it isn't told how to handle specifically
[01:25] <jtan325__> are you sure i don't have to do ANYTHING to set it up so i could ssh into here from work?
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> so if it is unable to route something, that is supposed to mean that it has hit a router and cannot reach its destination because the particular port is not forwarded to where it should go
[01:26] <jtan325__> i.e. set up a authentication scheme or something, or X11 forwarding?
[01:26] <sexcopter8000m> i've installed this in ubuntu http://www.planetpenguin.de/manpage-1-tdwm-clock.1.html (through synaptic package thingie), but can't find how to run it, any ideas? I'm pretty new to ubuntu and linux in general
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: well, worked for me without setting up anything
[01:26] <goldfish> sexcopter8000m: tried running it from the terminal?
[01:26] <Taya> Hi, anyone can help me with sound card?
[01:27] <jtan325__> sexcopter8000m, do something like "locate tdwm-clock" from terminal
[01:27] <js_> jtan325__: is your server behind router/NAT?
[01:27] <jtan325__> js_, i would think so, i am on a campus network
[01:27] <sexcopter8000m> does locate basically do a search?
[01:27] <jtan325__> sexcopter8000m, yes
[01:27] <jtan325__> quite handy
[01:28] <allegrone> hello
[01:28] <js_> jtan325__: then, unless you have access to forward traffic to your ssh server, you're out of luck
[01:28] <sexcopter8000m> ok well it's found a couple of folders, /usr/share/man/man1/tdwm-clock.1.gz and /usr/bin/tdwm-clock
[01:28] <jtan325__> hmmmmm
[01:28] <js_> jtan325__: enter www.whatismyip.com with the ssh server box
[01:29] <goldfish> sexcopter8000m: run 'tdwm-clock' in a terminal
[01:29] <jtan325__> ok what about this: when i use windows on my home computer, i can vnc into it from linux at work
[01:29] <jtan325__> ok js_ my IP matches what i found with ifconfig -a
[01:29] <jtan325__> which is good
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> sexcopter8000m: it is important to know that locate uses a pre-made database to find things.  It cannot find anything added to your computer after the last time "updatedb" has been run.  Your computer runs this command every once in a while for you
[01:29] <sexcopter8000m> erm, well typing "tdwm-clock" doesn't return any errors, but doesn't seem to do anything
[01:30] <goldfish> hmmm.
[01:30] <sexcopter8000m> nor does "tdwm-clock -h"
[01:30] <sexcopter8000m> i installed this thing actually a day or two ago, just forgot =p
[01:31] <sexcopter8000m> it just seems odd to install a programme and lose it :S
[01:31] <jtan325__> js_, if i can vnc into my home computer from work with linux, when my home computer is running windows, does that mean the routing is working?
[01:31] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Yes
[01:31] <Jimbob> jtan325__: You're running X on your box at work?
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: yeah, vnc should work in both windows and linux
[01:32] <luzbelito> hi how can i add a program to my sound&video menu in applications please?
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> and if it works in one your routing is correct
[01:32] <jtan325__> Jimbob, yes
[01:32] <js_> jtan325__: if internet works it's correct
[01:32] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Ok, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and turn on the "ForwardX11"
[01:32] <jtan325__> Jimbob, currently i am logged in to my work computer, it is locked
[01:32] <Jimbob> jtan325__: On your home machine
[01:32] <jtan325__> Jimbob, yeah, that's what i did on my work computer actually
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> luzbelito: I kinda wish I knew that.  You can play around in /usr/share/applications and try and figure out what makes it tick
[01:33] <jtan325__> but then when i do "sshd" at the terminal at work,
[01:33] <jtan325__> it says "absolute path needed" or something like that
[01:33] <Jimbob> jtan325__: sshd is the server
[01:33] <jtan325__> yeah
[01:33] <Proteque> jtan325__: start it with the initscript
[01:33] <jtan325__> i was trying to see if could ssh into my work computer from home
[01:33] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Ahh
[01:34] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Just run "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh reload"
[01:34] <jtan325__> and tomorrow, i will see if i can ssh into my home computer from work :-)
[01:35] <sexcopter8000m> any other ideas guys?
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> luzbelito: I would say, add a file to /usr/share/applications with a .desktop suffix.  Try and make it look like one of the other files inside, but don't worry about writing its name and comment in every imaginable language.  In the "categories" section, put "application;AudioVideo"
[01:35] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Then you should be able to ssh -X into your work machine and run X apps
[01:35] <jtan325__> Proteque, what is the initscript, is that what Jimbob mentioned?
[01:36] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Yes
[01:36] <jtan325__> Jimbob, i am going to set up sshd on my home computer, and see if i can ssh -X into here from work tomorrow... or should i say, later today
[01:36] <jtan325__> i am looking at sshd_config right now
[01:36] <jtan325__> changing logingracetime to 120 from 600...
[01:36] <jtan325__> enabling X11 forwarding....
[01:36] <jtan325__> anything else?
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> okay, sleepy time.  Good luck to everyone in the ubuntu channel
[01:37] <jtan325__> thanks tiglionabbit
[01:37] <jtan325__> you helped a bunch
[01:37] <Jimbob> jtan325__: That should do it.
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> =3
[01:37] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Then run "/etc/init.d/ssh reload"
[01:37] <jtan325__> wait, Jimbob X11Forwarding is already set to "yes"
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> (like I swallowed a puppy or something)
[01:38] <adwait> hello ppl
[01:39] <jtan325__> ok Jimbob
[01:39] <jtan325__> done
[01:39] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Ok, can you open a new "ssh -X" session into your work box?
[01:39] <jtan325__> so, theoretically, all i have to do from work now is "ssh -X (my home IP address)"?
[01:40] <jtan325__> Jimbob, i can't do that...
[01:40] <jtan325__> "no route to host"
[01:40] <cyphase> #anything
[01:40] <jtan325__> i can't really do anything with my work computer because, well, i am home now :-)
[01:40] <jtan325__> i tried to set it up as much as possible
[01:41] <jtan325__> but i guess i didn't do the "reload" thing
[01:41] <Taya> anyone can help with seetin up sound card?
[01:41] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Ok, you're trying to make your home computer accessible from your work computer, and you're at home now?
[01:41] <jtan325__> yes
[01:41] <Jimbob> ok
[01:41] <jtan325__> because i can't do anything about my work computer
[01:41] <Jimbob> Ah
[01:41] <jtan325__> so might as well see if i can get the other direction working first
[01:42] <jtan325__> Jimbob, theoretically, you should be able to do ssh -X <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:42] <Jimbob> Well, run "unset $DISPLAY" and then "ssh -X localhost" and see if you can run apps over it.
[01:42] <jtan325__> and get a prompt right?
[01:42] <Jimbob> yeah
[01:42] <jtan325__> could you try please?
[01:42] <cerius> tach
[01:44] <Jimbob> jtan325__: I'm portmapping your box to see if I can get at SSH
[01:44] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Are you running a firewall?
[01:44] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Or behind a linksys router or something?
[01:45] <Jimbob> The only port open on your machine is auth (identd, on 113)
[01:45] <no_gatez_fan> omg prayers to london folkd
[01:45] <no_gatez_fan> folke
[01:45] <no_gatez_fan> s
[01:45] <jpfarias> hi people!
[01:45] <jpfarias> can someone point me with a good dvd to svcd converter?
[01:46] <donny_rafael> what kind firewall is good for ubuntu
[01:46] <Jimbob> donny_rafael: In general you don't need a firewall
[01:46] <jpfarias> donny_rafael, isn't iptables good enough?
[01:46] <donny_rafael> are u sure?
[01:47] <Jimbob> donny_rafael: Yes
[01:47] <donny_rafael> okey
[01:47] <no_gatez_fan> altough firestarter is a very simple firewall
[01:47] <Jimbob> donny_rafael: Just turn off any network services you aren't using
[01:47] <jpfarias> can someone point me with a good dvd to svcd converter?
[01:47] <Jimbob> donny_rafael: (identd, portmap, inetd,  apache, etc.)
[01:48] <jpfarias> donny_rafael, yeah, linux security is pretty good
[01:48] <jpfarias> donny_rafael, you would only need a firewall if you have a machine servig others machines in your local network
[01:49] <donny_rafael> btw i used portscan to scan my comp, and i found port 697 and 111 open, is it good or bad?
[01:49] <donny_rafael> if it's not good how to close that?
[01:49] <jtan325__> Jimbob, sorry for being afk
[01:49] <Jimbob> You can shutdown portmap (sudo /etc/init.d/portmap stop)
[01:49] <Suepahfly> is there a good Winamp5 clone for linux, imean with the same skin system and global hotkey support?
[01:49] <Jimbob> That'll close 111
[01:50] <donny_rafael> thank u
[01:50] <Jimbob> And "sudo netstat -A inet -A inet6 -vnlp" will tell you what applications are running on what ports
[01:50] <jtan325__> so i am not behind a firewall, or behind a router
[01:51] <jtan325__> i just plug my laptop straight into the campus ethernet
[01:51] <jtan325__> but i would assume campus network might be behind a firewalll...
[01:51] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Well, then either SSH is not running, or washing.edu is blocking it.
[01:52] <corey> does ubuntu have inotify preinstalled?
[01:52] <jtan325__> Jimbob, "/usr/sbin/ssd" is running, but it's running from root
[01:52] <jpfarias> hey
[01:52] <Jimbob> jtan325__: As it should be
[01:52] <jpfarias> can someone point me with a good dvd to svcd converter?
[01:52] <jtan325__> (when i do "ps aux | grep ssh"
[01:52] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Don't start daemons manually, that's just evil -- use the scripts in /etc/init.d
[01:53] <jtan325__> ok
[01:53] <jtan325__> well hopefully this will work when i get to work then
[01:53] <jtan325__> all i do is "ssh -x<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[01:53] <Jimbob> Yeah
[01:54] <jtan325__> do i need to log off my home computer?
[01:54] <kbrooks> -X
[01:54] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Nope
[01:54] <kbrooks> -X
[01:54] <kbrooks> -X
[01:54] <jtan325__> -X right lol
[01:54] <jtan325__> thanks guys
[01:54] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Also, use "-C" to compress the data (it's much quicker)
[01:55] <jtan325__> ok
[01:56] <jtan325__> and if i did something like "mozilla-firefox" after ssh'ing in
[01:56] <jtan325__> it should show up on my work computer?
[01:56] <Seveas> jtan325__, yes
[01:56] <adwait> jtan325_:no
[01:56] <adwait> jtan325_:in ssh u cant execute any program tht requiures display
[01:56] <adwait> jtan325_: only shell apps can be executed
[01:56] <Seveas> adwait, bull :)
[01:56] <nikkia> adwait: yes you can, that's what -X is for, it tunnels the X connection
[01:56] <bimberi> adwait he's going to "ssh -X"
[01:57] <Seveas> ssh on Ubuntu by default does X tunneling...
[01:57] <Tsar_vonHumbug> adwait, try it - you'll like it :D
[01:57] <adwait> hehe......i tried like hell for controlling my pc via my cell.....
[01:57] <adwait> no go :(
[01:57] <nikkia> Seveas: not here its not :/
[01:57] <Seveas> nikkia, ah, ok, that must be my settings then
[01:57] <six2one> i got my treo to do it with vnc and ssh
[01:58] <jtan325__> so how do i setup X tunneling, if it's not done by default?
[01:58] <nikkia> jtan, put -X on the ssh command line
[01:58] <nikkia> that's all there is to it
[01:59] <corey> anyone aware if inotify works in hoary. I'm pretty sure it is preinstalled but I cannot locate it
[01:59] <jtan325__> ok cool cool
[01:59] <Jimbob> adwait: If your cell phone doesn't have X11 installed, then obviously, you can't run an X application
[01:59] <Jimbob> corey: inotify is a kernel feature
[01:59] <Tsar_vonHumbug> has there been a new release today? all my repositories are failing :(
[01:59] <Jimbob> corey: If your system has it, there will be a /dev/inotify device
[01:59] <Gerrath> jtan325__, you can set it up in the config script /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[02:00] <adwait> Jimbob: no i wasnt trying to execute X app.just wanted rhythmbox to advance to the next song in rhythmbox...
[02:00] <adwait> using rhythmbox --next
[02:00] <Gerrath> jtan325__, if you want it to be able to do it automatically.
[02:00] <|DaRkO|> sorry men, but ubuntu is an african distro? from which country?
[02:00] <jtan325__> Gerrath, what option?
[02:00] <corey> Jimbob, I know, but I don't have a /dev/inotify. I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be in the hoary kernel though
[02:01] <chrissturm> corey: you need to add inotify to the kernel parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst to get inotify. but beware of crashes :)
[02:01] <Gerrath> jtan325__, I believe it is "X11Forwarding yes
[02:01] <Gerrath> " but please read the man file to confirm "man sshd_config"
[02:02] <nikkia> gerrath, surely it's ssh_config
[02:02] <nikkia> sshd_config would refer to the daemon, and -X/X11Forwarding is a client option, not a server option
[02:03] <nikkia> and its ForwardX11
[02:03] <Gerrath> nikkia, sorry I thought thats what he wanted to do was set up the server to allow forwarding when logging on to it.
[02:03] <nikkia> gerrath, the server should allow it by default
[02:03] <jtan325__> Gerrath, that option is enabled by default in sshd_config i think
[02:03] <jtan325__> at least for me
[02:03] <Seveas> nikkia, the server can disable it too, but indeed that allows it by default
[02:03] <Gerrath> jtan325__, Read what nikkia wrote..
[02:03] <Gerrath> jtan325__, I think I miss understood your question.
[02:03] <jtan325__> yeah i did.
[02:03] <nikkia> jtan, the option to set it to automatically forward X on a connection is 'ForwardX11 yes' in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[02:03] <jtan325__> should change "forwardagent" to yes"
[02:04] <jtan325__> also?
[02:04] <nikkia> no
[02:04] <nikkia> forwardagent is a huge security risk
[02:04] <jtan325__> what does that do anyway
[02:04] <adwait> is there anyway i can access an idividual computer in LAN if it is connected thru a router?
[02:04] <Gerrath> jtan325__, anyway you can do a man ssh_config and get all the info on it.
[02:04] <nikkia> jtan, it pushes ssh-agent requests thru the chain of ssh connections
[02:04] <nikkia> its risky, very risky
[02:04] <jtan325__> ok
[02:05] <corey> chrissturm: like this: /vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash inotify ?
[02:05] <jtan325__> ok ok
[02:05] <jtan325__> cool then, i am going to reboot, thanks for you help ppl
[02:05] <nikkia> jtan, from my experience, forwardagent doesn't work anyway
[02:05] <Tsar_vonHumbug> adwait, depends how you want access.. telnet will work for instance
[02:05] <Jimbob> adwait: Depends on if it's behind a NAT or not, and/or if port-forwarding is working. What are you trying to do?
[02:06] <chrissturm> corey, yep
[02:06] <adwait> i am trying to get the cell phone app i mentioned above to work.......well it needs to access the apache server on my pc, but since i got this new ADSL connection with the router....it cant
[02:06] <corey> cool thanks, I knew I was missing something
[02:06] <chrissturm> corey, copy the kernel config, and add a new one with inotify to be on the save side
[02:06] <adwait> i tried to set apapche to run on port 81 and set up a virtual server for the router....but still no go :(
[02:06] <adwait> wht if i turn off the NAT?
[02:07] <Jimbob> adwait: Can you forward port 80 from the router to the destination?
[02:07] <Jimbob> That'd be the simplest way to do what you want
[02:07] <adwait> the web admin of the router on port 80....so i forwarded 81 to my pc...using a virtual server rule...but it doesnt seem to be working
[02:08] <adwait> and the fact tht i can operate admin only with IE...ie: boot to windows all over adds to the misery
[02:08] <adwait> :p
[02:08] <Jimbob> adwait: Did you restart apache after you chanaged it to run on port 81?
[02:08] <adwait> yes
[02:09] <adwait> the only place i change the port is the ports.conf file right?
[02:09] <PDani> there's a commandline application (i don't remember its name), which can change the properties of an X11 window by its name, or title, etc... what's its name?
[02:09] <nikkia> PDani: xedit?
[02:10] <Jimbob> adwait: Apache or Apache2?
[02:10] <chrissturm> how can i configure zsh to show the cwd in the prompt and use colors like bash does?
[02:10] <adwait> apache2
[02:10] <Jimbob> adwait: The virtualserver decl in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default may have a port number that it wants
[02:10] <nikkia> hmm, no, that's not it
[02:11] <adwait> Jimbob: wht should i be looking for in this file? should i paste its contents to the bin
[02:11] <adwait> ?
[02:12] <Jimbob> adwait: There should be something like a NameVirtualServer *:80 blah blah <VirtualServer...
[02:12] <Jimbob> Basically, anything that looks like it's listening on port 80
[02:12] <goldfish> how do u set ubuntu to boot into text mode?
[02:13] <goldfish> i've look in rc2 - 5, and they all have gdm in them, do i just chmod -x that?
[02:13] <adwait> Jimbob: doesnt seem to be there...no ports are reffered to at all
[02:14] <adwait> jimbob: what if i turn the NAT off altogether? does my computer get a separate IP?
[02:14] <Jimbob> adwait: Mmm, well, can you contact localhost:80?
[02:15] <Jimbob> adwait: That depends entirely on your ISP
[02:15] <Jimbob> adwait: And I know here, with comcast cable, they charge extra for additional IPs.
[02:15] <adwait> Jimbob: i can access localhost:81 and <IP_ADDRESS>:81 (LAN IP)
[02:15] <adwait> jimbob: hm...yeah they charge extra for static ips
[02:15] <Jimbob> But not external:81?
[02:16] <adwait> Jimbob: nope....."Port is closed for security reasons" or something to tht effect
[02:17] <Jimbob> hmm
[02:18] <adwait> i even contacted D Link tech support.......but they just sent me a procedure to set up a virtual server.which i already have dine
[02:18] <adwait> *done
[02:18] <adwait> i even tried setting up the pc in the DMZ for the router......but still nothing
[02:18] <adwait> :(
[02:19] <Jimbob> adwait: Welp, dunno what to tell you, since it's your router that's the problem -- have you tried googling for other people with similar problems?
[02:20] <nalioth_wrkn> adwait: are ther other puters on the router?
[02:20] <aurax> hello
[02:20] <aurax> anyone have an idea how to fix : Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libs/libsndfile/libsndfile1_1.0.10-2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[02:21] <nalioth_wrkn> aurax: the repos are having a tizzy at the moment
[02:21] <fabbione> aurax: use another mirror or try later
[02:21] <aurax> its mirrors problem ?
[02:21] <fabbione> aurax: only of us.
[02:22] <aurax> hmm
[02:26] <aurax> when it will be fixed?
[02:27] <Tsar_vonHumbug> my guess would be couple of hours max
[02:27] <Tsar_vonHumbug> unless there's been a new release today? then give it a couple of days ;)
[02:28] <nalioth> aurax: i wouldnt hold my breath
[02:28] <nalioth> the repos have been flighty since yesterday morning (US Central time)
[02:29] <aurax> ok
[02:29] <aurax> why is it happening ?
[02:29] <aurax> i have to install some stuff
[02:29] <aurax> now i can't
[02:30] <adwait_> hello
[02:30] <nalioth> aurax: edit your sources.list to remove the us. from in the front of the URLs
[02:30] <bimberi> aurax: You can use another mirror
[02:30] <nalioth> adwait: are ther other puters on the router?
[02:31] <adwait> nalioth: no
[02:31] <adwait> another thing i just tried.......i tried to get the PC out of DMZ and the net refused to work
[02:31] <nalioth> adwait: can you plug directly in to the cable/dsl modem?
[02:31] <adwait> nalioth: the router itself acts as the modem..its an ADSL router
[02:31] <nalioth> adwait: ah.
[02:32] <nalioth> adwait: i just dropped in on this problem of yours.. so am not sure what exactly is goin on
[02:32] <nalioth> adwait: have you done a hard reset of the modem?
[02:32] <aurax> oki doki
[02:32] <adwait> well...i am trying to somehow get the computers on the net to access the apache2 server running on my pc
[02:33] <adwait> nalioth: no....but i dont really want to do that, because in case i can't get it set up properly, thos ISP ppl are gonna take 2-3 days and lots of follow up to finally come and fix it
[02:33] <nalioth> adwait: ah
[02:33] <nalioth> adwait: the DMZ setting didnt work at all?
[02:34] <adwait> nalioth: when i disabled DMZ, i couldnt access the net at all....had to turn it back on
[02:34] <adwait> i think the net works fine in windows if i turn DMZ off
[02:36] <nalioth> adwait: this is weird
[02:36] <adwait> nalioth: yep...hv been trying to get over this since i got this connection..
[02:37] <Tsar_vonHumbug> for peeps having troubles with the repositories - see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Archive
[02:37] <adwait> i want to be able to control rhythmbox over the cell phone again.........so dont hv to come up to the pc if i want to just change a song
[02:39] <PDani> bye
[02:39] <nalioth> adwait: does your modem identify itself to the ISP using its mac address?
[02:39] <nalioth> adwait: or is htere a 'user/pass' that needs to be sent?
[02:39] <adwait> nalioth: user/pass
[02:39] <nalioth> adwait: pardon my french, but thats f****D
[02:40] <adwait> hehe....french?
[02:40] <kickrocks> hello
[02:40] <kickrocks> anyone running the ia64 port ?
[02:40] <nalioth> adwait: call your ISP, ask them what it takes (user/pass reentry, etc) if you do a hard reset of the thing
[02:40] <nalioth> adwait: and start clean
[02:41] <adwait> nalioth: hmm.......u woulldnt say that if u had some experience with my isp ;p
[02:41] <adwait> its a public sector (hence inefficient) company.........but they are the one's pffering the best speed at lowest rates
[02:42] <adwait> i guess ill just hv to figure out some way to to this w/o using the server on my pc
[02:42] <nalioth> adwait: i'm sorry
[02:42] <adwait> like maybe put the php pages on some server.....and then have a client app which checks on a file on that server ....
[02:42] <kickrocks> I am still unable to apt-get anything, I am on itanium though
[02:43] <adwait> kickrocks: wht error msg does it give?
[02:43] <nalioth> kickrocks: the repos are wonky atm
[02:43] <kickrocks> http://pastebin.com/308559
[02:43] <adwait> aah
[02:43] <bob2> I'd be pretty sure you don't mean "anything"
[02:43] <kickrocks> yes, not one package
[02:43] <bob2> maybe you mean "I can't use apt to successfully download any packages from us.archive.ubuntu.com"?
[02:43] <kickrocks> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-ia64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[02:44] <kickrocks> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-ia64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[02:44] <kickrocks> eveything is failed to fetch
[02:44] <bob2> also, isn't the ia64 port on ports.ubuntu.com?
[02:44] <kickrocks> is it ?
[02:44] <bob2> and indeed it is
[02:44] <nalioth> bob2 did you have a nice vacation?
[02:45] <kilikili> hello y' a-t-il un fracophone sur la place?
[02:45] <bob2> it's not (yet) an official port
[02:45] <kickrocks> ports.ubuntu.com ?
[02:45] <nalioth> kilikili: en la #ubuntu-fr, si'l vous plait
[02:45] <bob2> nalioth: heh, of a sort, yeah, thanks :)
[02:46] <jbailey> kilikili: Essayer #ubuntu-fr
[02:46] <kilikili> Ok
[02:46] <kickrocks> so if i replace security & archive with ports I should be okay ?
[02:46] <goldfish> What's the default runlevel on ubuntu?
[02:46] <adwait> 5
[02:46] <goldfish> thanks.
[02:47] <adwait> np
[02:47] <bob2> goldfish: 2
[02:47] <bob2> adwait: no, this isn't redhat
[02:47] <bob2> goldfish: note that runlevels 2 through 5 are identical on ubuntu, by default
[02:47] <adwait> ?
[02:48] <adwait> isnt 2 supposed to be single user with networking
[02:48] <adwait> ?
[02:48] <bob2> kickrocks: I'd guess replacing it with "deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ hoary main" would work
[02:48] <adwait> and 3 multy user text?
[02:48] <bob2> adwait: no, that's a redhat-(and derivatives)-ism
[02:48] <jessta> why are all the sound config tools to useless?
[02:48] <adwait> hmm
[02:48] <bob2> jessta: because you shouldn't need to use them
[02:48] <goldfish> bob2: ok, cool, thanks.
[02:48] <goldfish> i did notice :)
[02:48] <goldfish> i was looking for a text mode run level.
[02:49] <goldfish> I'll just make one.
[02:49] <jessta> bob2: that's not the point
[02:49] <ewanko> hi guys... what's the FSB of SEMPRON processors?
[02:49] <bob2> jessta: well, it kinda is...if it doesn't work automatically, it's a bug ;p
[02:49] <kickrocks> http://pastebin.com/308872
[02:49] <kickrocks> #
[02:49] <kickrocks> Err http://ports.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[02:49] <kickrocks> #
[02:49] <kickrocks>   404 Not Found
[02:49] <jessta> bob2: I need to use them, two sound cards, one doesn't work.
[02:49] <kickrocks> oops sorry
[02:50] <bob2> jessta: right
[02:50] <bob2> so lay out the details and let someone tell you how to fix it
[02:50] <bob2> in breezy there'll hopefully be a magic configurometer to do it for you
[02:51] <nalioth> bob2: not a magik configulator?
[02:51] <nalioth> a voodoo configerocerous?
[02:51] <unome> wtf is happening in london, anyone from there?
[02:51] <jessta> bob2: ubuntu selects the onboard one that doesn't work. I want to use the pci one that does work. How can I set that to be the default?
[02:52] <bob2> unome: ##london
[02:52] <bob2> jessta: the simplest solution is to disable the onboard one in the bios, if possible
[02:52] <bob2> jessta: if not, you add the module name to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, and it won'r be enabled during boot
[02:52] <kickrocks> using the ports.ubuntu.com URL still failed to fetch anything.
[02:52] <jessta> bob2: alrightu
[02:53] <catfox> hi all. i'm trying to build a custom kernel, but when i boot it i get this error: swsusp: suspend partition has wrong signature.
[02:53] <bob2> kickrocks: how did you install?
[02:53] <catfox> any ideas what thats about?
[02:53] <kickrocks> via cd
[02:53] <bob2> kickrocks: ... which cd?
[02:53] <bob2> kickrocks: hoary?
[02:53] <kickrocks> yes sir
[02:53] <bob2> catfox: if you didn't suspend, I'd assume that's just the kernel noticing it, and moving on
[02:53] <bob2> catfox: unless it actually hung on that, which seems unlikely
[02:54] <catfox> i get kernel panic right after it
[02:54] <bob2> I'd be pretty surprised if that was the problem
[02:54] <catfox> damn, didn't note down the kernel panic error. i'll reboot an get that
[02:55] <adwait> kickrocks: added ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports? not ubuntu?(i think ths wht u should add......hmm, but i seem to be going wrong a lot today ;) )
[02:55] <bob2> it's more likely that you forgot to include ext2 or something in the kernel
[02:56] <catfox> bob2, ext2 is definately in there, and reiser, which is what i'm using
[02:57] <bob2> kickrocks: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[02:57] <acid2> is there a command to search all files of a given directory and find ones that contain a certain string?
[02:58] <bob2> grep
[02:58] <bimberi> acid2: grep
[02:58] <adwait> acid2:grep
[02:58] <acid2> so thats what grep does!
[02:58] <acid2> thanks :)
[02:59] <nalioth> acid2: thats one thing grep does
[02:59] <acid2> hehe
[02:59] <kickrocks> http://pastebin.com/308881
[03:00] <acid2> "grep static\ void\ main" searches for files containing "static void main" correct?
[03:00] <bob2> no
[03:00] <bob2> "grep static\ void\ main ." would
[03:00] <bob2> er,  "grep -r static\ void\ main ."
[03:01] <bob2> the last arguments need to be file(s), or directories if you give -r
[03:01] <xophEr> I have 1024mb RAM but system monitor only shows 885?
[03:01] <Jonax> Quick question - Anyone recommend any music players other than XMMS?
[03:01] <bob2> xophEr: install a -686 kernel
[03:01] <acid2> bob2, why the dot at thend?
[03:01] <nalioth> Jonax: there are several
[03:02] <bob2> xophEr: e.g., install the linux-686 package
[03:02] <nalioth> acid2: that means "right here"
[03:02] <bob2> Jonax: I quite like cplay
[03:02] <acid2> oh
[03:02] <acid2> I want to search in sub directories
[03:02] <bob2> acid2: as nalioth says, it means the current directory
[03:02] <Jonax> I'm not asking whether they are, Nal. I'm asking what people recommend personally :)
[03:02] <bob2> acid2: then give it -r, and it will "r"ecurse into them
[03:02] <acid2> coo
[03:02] <Jonax> *...whether there are...
[03:02] <nalioth> Jonax: i use rhythmbox
[03:03] <adwait> jonax: i like rhythmbox.......i can easily search my music collection
[03:03] <bwlang_> Jonax: i like amarok
[03:03] <Jonax> CPlay, Rhythmbox, Amarok - I'll have a check for them.  Thanks guys :)
[03:03] <nikkia> jonax, don't forget beep :)
[03:03] <nalioth> bob2: are "." and "./" the same thing?
[03:03] <bob2> nalioth: yup
[03:04] <nikkia> jonax, that'd be meep
[03:04] <bob2> well, mostly
[03:04] <bob2> somethings don't like directory names missing final slashes
[03:04] <nalioth> never seen . b4, always ./ for 'current dir'
[03:04] <nikkia> jonax, beep = beep-media-player, a fork of the xmms code
[03:04] <leliel> anyone in here, know how to get nvidia drivers to work with hoary, without using apt-get?
[03:04] <Jonax> nikkia: Hmm - Interesting...
[03:04] <nikkia> its more reliable than xmms, ime, but doesn't support everything
[03:05] <djp> leliel: get nvidia to release the source code... ;)
[03:05] <leliel> djp, that, was helpful
[03:05] <nikkia> the one that annoys me the most, being that beep doesn't support IPv6 streaming, at least in the ubuntu builds
[03:05] <leliel> really helpful
[03:05] <djp> leliel: it was meant tongue in cheek
[03:05] <djp> leliel: what is wrong with apt-get?
[03:06] <schmidtma> hi, i lost my old laptop handbook. So i dont know the horz and vert rates for X to work with desired resolution. Is there a way to get those values without the handbook? e.g. software ?
[03:06] <djp> leliel: apt-get nvidia-glx?
[03:07] <catfox> i've just noted that kernel panic error, and it's: kernel panic: not syncing unable to mount root on unknown-block (3,3)
[03:07] <nalioth> schmidtma: do lcd
[03:07] <catfox> my root in grub.conf points to /dev/hda3 in my new kernel entry, which is the same as the default kernels
[03:07] <nalioth> 's have horiz and vert refresh?
[03:07] <kickrocks> pass the installer the -x option
[03:07] <catfox> any ideas what i might have left out of the kernel?
[03:08] <xophEr> bob2, allright, thanks :)
[03:08] <schmidtma> nalioth: i thought so, but i m not sure. its a Siemens scenic mobile 750
[03:08] <kickrocks> oh leliel left
[03:08] <nikkia> catfox: IDE support?
[03:09] <nikkia> catfox: its either IDE support, or ext2/3 support that's missing, probably
[03:09] <nalioth> schmidtma: i do not think lcd panels have refresh rates, but i may be mistaken
[03:09] <nalioth> schmidtma: there are no specs on the manufacturers site or the wayback machine?
[03:09] <nikkia> nalioth: they don't, but if the interface is analog, they will 'appear' to have them
[03:10] <catfox> nikkia, definately have filesystem stuff. any ideas what ide modules are needed?
[03:10] <nikkia> catfox: ide-disk at least
[03:10] <schmidtma> nalioth: i could not find any on the page and the laptop itslef has no label with anything usefull.
[03:11] <nikkia> catfox: remember, they need to be built into the kernel, not as modules, unless you're going to try and work out initrd stuff, but i find its generally easier to build the ide/fs stuff into the kernel *anyway* even if using initrd
[03:11] <nalioth> schmidtma: i don't think you'll have any problems with it and X
[03:11] <catfox> nikkia, yeah thats in there too
[03:11] <nikkia> catfox: the other thing that can cause it... is if the kernel is trying to use 'accelerated IDE' drivers, but they're modules
[03:12] <catfox> nikkia, never heard of accelerated ide
[03:12] <nikkia> catfox: its the stuff that enables UDMA, ie the drivers like 'piix'
[03:12] <schmidtma> nalioth: its working with 800x600 yes, but i would like to get 1024x750, maybe i just cant do that because its a lcd and its not supporting 1024 ?
[03:13] <catfox> nikkia, righto, i'll take a look thanks
[03:13] <catfox> piix is in there, should i take that out then?
[03:13] <nalioth> schmidtma: not at all
[03:13] <Jonax> Quick question - Just got beep but got a problem of being able to open mp3s.  Anyone know which package(s) I need to d/l?
[03:13] <nikkia> catfox: those drivers vary based on your chipset, so you have to be careful to enable the right one (or just enable them all, there are only like 10 or so, and they're not huge)
[03:13] <catfox> the problem is, i dont know which ide chipset my laptop has got
[03:13] <nalioth> schmidtma: edit your xorg.conf and see if that fixes you up (watch what ubotu says)
[03:13] <nalioth> !resolution
[03:13] <ubotu> resolution is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:14] <bob2> Jonax: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:14] <nikkia> catfox: look at lsmod on a working boot :)
[03:14] <leliel> djp, the reasons i don't want to use apt-get are twofold, firstly, i shouldn;t have to do things any one way, and secondly the drivers from apt-get, are buggy, and cause games run thriugh cedega to lock up requiring a restart of x
[03:14] <bob2> Jonax: (linked from the FAQ)
[03:14] <nikkia> catfox: the ide driver will be mentioned as a dependancy of ide_core
[03:14] <Jonax> Heh - Forgot that MP3 was proprietary :) Ta bob
[03:14] <schmidtma> thx i ll take a read
[03:14] <nikkia> jonax, depends if you think the patent is valid :)
[03:14] <nikkia> jonax, MP3 and MPEG are about the most illegal of all patents, IMO
[03:15] <Jonax> Good point
[03:15] <nikkia> jonax, they're not even really 'software patents' but patents on mathematical formulae (DCT and FFT)
[03:15] <catfox> nikkia, i get this for usb_core:  usb_storage,ide_cd,ide_generic,ide_disk,piix
[03:15] <bob2> "most illegal" is an unfortunate phrasing
[03:15] <nikkia> catfox: then looks like you're using the intel chipset drivers
[03:15] <Jonax> Well I'm against software patents altogether so I think practically all of them are bollocks :)
[03:16] <nikkia> jonax, as i said, they're not even software patents, i have no clue wtf the german patent office granted them
[03:16] <Jonax> Having said that, now that I look at the error messages looks like it wasn't the mp3s that weren't loaded
[03:16] <nikkia> jonax, they violate several EU directives on patents
[03:16] <Jonax> It was the playlists, album art, etc ^_^
[03:16] <catfox> nikkia, cool, i'll give it a go. i had via82 drivers in there, do you think including both is causing the error?
[03:16] <nikkia> catfox: unlikely, to be honest
[03:17] <wolverian> nikkia: currently each country can legislate on patents as they see fit, but the patents won't be uniformly enforced across the EU. that is, if germany allows such things to be patented, it's valid in germany and the EU or anyone else can't do anything about it
[03:17] <nikkia> wolverian: the EU 1973 legislature on patents forbids patents on mathematical formulae
[03:17] <wolverian> nikkia: ah, it's that specific? well, then. sounds like it's time to sue someone. :)
[03:17] <djp> leliel: isn't the nvidia-glx package the latest driver from nvidia? i wouldn't know you see as i use the nv driver
[03:18] <adwait> hey btw: did u guys see the blasts in london/
[03:18] <teemu__> what can I do if I dont get any sound?
[03:19] <djp> adwait: yes
[03:19] <nikkia> wolverian: its possible the patents only cover the motion estimation stuff, which would be vaguely allowable, although still very 'mathematical' for my tastes
[03:19] <nikkia> wolverian: but patenting DCT is just so wrong it makes my skin crawl
[03:20] <nalioth> teemu__: check your volume settings and read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[03:20] <catfox> will i need to enable "use old disk only driver on primary interface"? its the BLK_DEV_HD_IDE module
[03:20] <Tsar_vonHumbug> meh, all property is theft - why should software patents be any different ?
[03:20] <nikkia> catfox: i wouldn't have thought so
[03:20] <leliel> djp, be that as it may, it causes errors
[03:20] <catfox> nikkia, ok cool.i'll have another go. thanks for your help, v useful
[03:21] <leliel> and besides djp the latest nvidia drivers screw up the games in question as well
[03:21] <leliel> though, in different ways
[03:22] <kbrooks> http://liz4rd.ath.cx/files/hda1/linux/apt/sources.list
[03:23] <djp> leliel: seems like a problem for you. best of luck sorting it anyway
[03:23] <leliel> i will repeat my question then
[03:24] <leliel> anyone in here know how to install nvidia drivers on hoary fron the nvidia.com binaries?
[03:25] <nikkia> leliel: install linux-headers, then run the .run file on their site, that should be enough
[03:25] <adwait> leliel: umm in general......u should chmod and then use sh
[03:25] <teemu__> wtf an attack in london?
[03:25] <nalioth> leliel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:25] <leliel> nalioth, useful, sinc ethat uses apt-get, not the nvidia drivers
[03:26] <leliel> stuffit, would be easier to install a different distro
[03:26] <leliel> this being just the latest in a line of issues with ubuntu
[03:29] <leliel> nikkia, adwait, perhaps i didn't phrase my question very well, if one chooses to install from the nvidia.com binaries, i get graphics glitches, do either of you know how to fix them?
[03:29] <Ubuntian> can someone explain me this: how come in a routeur it's not necessary to forward the port 80 even though one uses it all the time with a browser?
[03:30] <Ubuntian> it's works even without port forwarding...it's weird to me
[03:31] <Ubuntian> seveas, u don't know?
[03:31] <bob2> that's now hot NAT works
[03:32] <Ubuntian> when 2 computers are websurfing, how does the routeur know where to send each packet? (since both use port 80)?
[03:32] <nalioth> Ubuntian: seveas has not shown up yet, bob2 is the current bot-in-residence   :)
[03:33] <ptlo> Ubuntian: the computers have different ip address
[03:33] <bob2> Ubuntian: when a local send packets to a remote machine, the router rewrites them, and keeps track of the original source address, and the destination.  when it gets one back (on the right port, etc), it looks up who it was for.
[03:34] <Ubuntian> well if u do some portforwarding for some applications (azureus) why not for all of them (a browser?)
[03:34] <bob2> those are very different things
[03:34] <JanC> Ubuntian : port forwarding is needed for traffic comming from the outside
[03:34] <kyoman> port s the dest port,not the source port
[03:34] <bob2> in the BT case, you're forwarding packets coming in from random outside machines
[03:34] <Ubuntian> ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:35] <bob2> when using firefox, you're sending the initial packets outside
[03:35] <Ubuntian> i see
[03:35] <bob2> so the router knows who and where sent them
[03:35] <Ubuntian> kkkkkkkk
[03:35] <Ubuntian> got it
[03:35] <JanC> because then the router doesn't know who is the destination
[03:35] <djp> leliel: http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=43557 may be helpful
[03:35] <Ubuntian> thanks bob2
[03:37] <Ubuntian> tschuss!
[03:38] <hotte[> hi @ all
[03:38] <hotte[> i have a question ;) do u know the problem that u cant your sreen size?
[03:38] <nalioth> hotte[: can you be more specific?
[03:38] <hotte[> sure
[03:39] <ben> hello all. i was after some help getting a linksys wpc54g wireless card working under ubuntu
[03:39] <hotte[> me is ger so i have to think about how to explain in english
[03:39] <Davey> Hmm, anyone have a Logitech USB headset here?
[03:39] <djp> german slang... possibly. an informal goodbye among friends? just guessing like... ;)
[03:39] <nalioth> hotte[: cuz when i can't find my screen size, i go to another store that has it in stock   ;)
[03:40] <nalioth> hotte[: ist kein leute in #ubuntu-de?
[03:40] <hotte[> nein
[03:40] <nalioth> djp: yes that was it
[03:40] <hotte[> i have no xrand thats my problem
[03:40] <hotte[> xrandr
[03:40] <djp> nalioth: google is my friend! :)
[03:40] <hotte[> sure it is my friend and the time is my friend too
[03:40] <hotte[> i searched 5 hours now
[03:41] <hotte[> and i got no explaination
[03:41] <Davey> hotte[: What video card?
[03:41] <hotte[> ati ;)
[03:41] <mostrodibiscotti> I am trying to get a VNC viewer for my Ubuntu install so that I can still admin my windows servers
[03:41] <mostrodibiscotti> I went to packages.ubuntu.net
[03:41] <hotte[> hehe i know there are many problems
[03:41] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: krdc
[03:41] <hotte[> but my rendering is ok
[03:41] <hotte[> it works
[03:41] <mostrodibiscotti> and found quite a few
[03:41] <surly> krdc
[03:42] <Seveas> bob2, awake..?
[03:42] <mostrodibiscotti> one I found downloads with the extension .deb
[03:42] <bob2> Seveas: indeed
[03:42] <Seveas> bob2, can I pm you for a sec?
[03:42] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: use apt-get and install 'krdc'
[03:42] <mostrodibiscotti> can I use apt-get to get it rather than downloading it?
[03:42] <bob2> Seveas: but of course
[03:42] <mostrodibiscotti> ok, nalioth
[03:42] <surly> mostrodibiscotti< krdc works well for this.irun it all day at work
[03:42] <mostrodibiscotti> thank you very much, I will try that
[03:43] <Davey> hotte[: I had a hell of a time getting the resolution to work on my ATI, wish I could remember how :/
[03:43] <nalioth> surly: mostrodibiscotti: i also use krdc every  day at work
[03:44] <surly> or.....sudo apt-get install rdesktop  ... this will connect to xp machines with remote connection enabled.
[03:44] <mostrodibiscotti> when I use "sudo apt-get install krdc"
[03:44] <mostrodibiscotti> I get
[03:44] <Seveas> surly, a remote desktop client is installed by default in ubuntu
[03:45] <mostrodibiscotti> a message that says package not found
[03:45] <Seveas> mostrodibiscotti, a vnc client is installed by default on Ubuntu
[03:45] <Seveas> simply type vncviewer in a terminal
[03:45] <surly> seveas.....ok
[03:45] <Davey> hotte[: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22496
[03:45] <Seveas> mostrodibiscotti, or go to the menu applications -> internet -> terminal server client
[03:46] <xophEr> Hi! When I try to watch at an .avi-file with totem this is all I get: 'Unable to open resource for writing' What am I doing wrong? :)
[03:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi all
[03:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> 8)
[03:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> ubuntu rulez
[03:47] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: welcome
[03:47] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: great...more happy today...ubuntized...ehehehe
[03:47] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: it gets better every day
[03:47] <ed1t> does anyone know why i cant connect any irc client from ubuntu when im at work, but i can connect mirc from xp when im at work
[03:47] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: i need servers admin tools, for apache, smb...etc
[03:48] <yuacht> ed1t, got a firewall?
[03:48] <ed1t> irc clients from ubuntu works frm home
[03:48] <ed1t> n
[03:48] <ed1t> no
[03:48] <mostrodibiscotti> Seveas:  great, I did find the built in vncviewer, and it works, but I can only connect by name, not by IP, is there a reason for that?
[03:48] <ed1t> yuacht well im on my university network
[03:48] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: search your heart out at packages.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <ed1t> yuacht but it would block the mirc connections too right
[03:49] <ed1t> if it was blocking those ports or something
[03:49] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice
[03:50] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: gonna try
[03:50] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: you have linux experience?
[03:50] <jmjones> ed1t: are you saying that you *can* connect mirc from xp?
[03:51] <ed1t> yes
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> slack
[03:51] <ed1t> im on mirc right nw
[03:51] <ed1t> now*
[03:51] <jmjones> ed1t: so what problem are you having?
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> my focus is on apache, php, postgres...
[03:51] <jmjones> oh -
[03:51] <jmjones> sorry
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> i dont know much about network...
[03:51] <ed1t> jmjones i cant connect xchat or irssi from ubuntu
[03:51] <jmjones> can't connect from ubuntu
[03:51] <ed1t> yea
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> but i love linux...is too nice
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> debian seems good too
[03:52] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: well, *nix is *nix
[03:52] <jmjones> ed1t: what happens when you `telnet irc.freenode.net 6667` from your linux machine?
[03:52] <Davey> did anyone get Beagle to run in Ubuntu yet?
[03:52] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: ubuntu is designed for ease of use by new users, but it is *nix underneat
[03:52] <ed1t> jmjones didnt try it
[03:52] <Exposure> I can't get ati driver to work, i get an error complaining about X using kernel context 0
[03:52] <ed1t> jmjones any other solutions?
[03:53] <ed1t> im gonna boot into ubuntu and try it
[03:53] <yuacht> Man I soooo wanna run breezy badger! :D
[03:53] <bob2> Exposure: you're not using xen or anything, right?
[03:53] <nalioth> Exposure: do you need the ati driver for any particular reason?
[03:53] <jmjones> ed1t: ok - that'll help you diagnose the problem....
[03:53] <mostrodibiscotti> Why is it that apt-get gets some stuff, but can't find other stuff
[03:53] <Exposure> bob2: not that i know of
[03:53] <Aragorn_Guardian> yeah... i like this in it. i am confortable...
[03:53] <bob2> Exposure: and you read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[03:53] <kbrooks> yuacht, don't.....
[03:53] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: today the repos seem to be a bit off
[03:53] <Exposure> nalioth: eh.. because i have an ati card?
[03:53] <bob2> mostrodibiscotti: because you didn't give it the right package names
[03:54] <mostrodibiscotti> I'm picturing apt-get in my windows brain as being like when you go to an ftp site and download something
[03:54] <ed1t> jmjones u got aim or something...so if that doesnt work, i can im u
[03:54] <Aragorn_Guardian> my box worked in few steps...my hardware is all ok... even my keyboard map, that was wrong in slack... 8)
[03:54] <nalioth> Exposure: i was going to mention, that the VESA driver will run all modern video cards
[03:54] <Exposure> bob2: nope i didn't read anything but the driver readme stuff, built the drivers from source
[03:54] <bob2> mostrodibiscotti: or, if you mean "why does apt sometimes faile with md5sum errors?", then use archive.ubuntu.com
[03:54] <ed1t> if u dont mind
[03:54] <jmjones> ed1t: i've got yahoo....
[03:54] <bob2> Exposure: go read that page
[03:54] <Exposure> nalioth: not for 3d stuff
[03:54] <Exposure> bob2: ok
[03:54] <Aragorn_Guardian> now i am looking at the servers....
[03:54] <ed1t> jmjones alright gimme that
[03:54] <Aragorn_Guardian> i like too the server install option...
[03:54] <mostrodibiscotti> what if, like for example, I had an idea of the package name, but it did not work
[03:54] <nalioth> Exposure: so you need the ati driver for rendering reasons
[03:54] <Aragorn_Guardian> is minimal
[03:55] <mostrodibiscotti> where on the net could I go to verify the true name of that app that I'm trying to get?
[03:55] <yuacht> kbrooks, i know, but i wanna :)
[03:55] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: packages.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <ripok> Hello. Has anyone got problem with Cisco vpn client and ubuntu using ssh connection over vpn?
[03:55] <bob2> mostrodibiscotti: apt-cache search keyword
[03:55] <nalioth> yuacht: go and buy a cheap beige box and breezy away on it
[03:55] <kbrooks> yuacht, x is broken
[03:55] <Moppin> mostrodibiscotti, The quick an dirty way is to use Synaptic to find packages
[03:55] <kbrooks> yuacht, or so i heard
[03:55] <bob2> that's not dirty, that's fine :)
[03:56] <Moppin> bob2, Yeah, I'll agree with you :)
[03:56] <yuacht> i'
[03:56] <yuacht> i'll wait abt 2 months then i'll try it
[03:56] <jmjones> synaptic is for gui-loving losers
[03:56] <Kyral> jmjones, ouch
[03:56] <jmjones> real men use the command line
[03:56] <Moppin> jmjones, true true....
[03:56] <Kyral> then again, I removed Synaptic a month ago
[03:56] <Exposure> bob2: that page describes how to install the default ubuntu (old) ati driver
[03:56] <kbrooks> why?
[03:56] <jmjones> :-) actually - i use synaptic more often than command line :-)
[03:56] <Moppin> jmjones, everyone gets pissed at me at work because I should them how to do everything in CLI
[03:57] <mostrodibiscotti> where can I learn more about synaptic
[03:57] <nalioth> jmjones: real lazy men use synaptic ;)
[03:57] <jmjones> i probably *should* use the cli more, but i typically have synaptic open, so i just use it.
[03:57] <Moppin> jmjones, I use Synaptic to find package names.  I'm new to the DEB way of package managemet.
[03:57] <mostrodibiscotti> being that I am a newbie
[03:57] <jmjones> nalioth: and laziness is one of the three cardinal virtues of a programmer.
[03:57] <mostrodibiscotti> shoudl I stay away from synaptic?
[03:57] <jmjones> mostrodibiscotti: no - honestly, it's great
[03:58] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: system > admin > synaptic package manager
[03:58] <jmjones> no i think kynaptic sucks
[03:58] <jmjones> s/no/now/
[03:58] <nalioth> jmjones: thought it was all 3 cardinal virtues.. .. ..
[03:58] <Jonax> Actually, you can get to it also by Applications, System Tools, Add/Remove Programs, Advanced
[03:58] <MrPoke> Is us.archive.ubuntu.com behind on packages?
[03:58] <jmjones> what did i say?
[03:58] <Jonax> And TBH I use Synaptic as much as apt-get :)
[03:58] <MrPoke> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com.... MD5Sum mismatch
[03:58] <crid0> mostrodibiscotti: synaptic is perfect for the new user.
[03:58] <nalioth> MrPoke: the repos are wonky today
[03:58] <Exposure> so nobody tried ati driver 8.14.13?
[03:58] <jmjones> nalioth: -oh laziness, impatience, and hubris
[03:58] <MrPoke> nalioth: thanks thought it might just be me
[03:59] <jmjones> those are the three.
[03:59] <nalioth> jmjones: no further comment  :P
[03:59] <jmjones> crid0: synaptic is good for anybody
[04:00] <crid0> jmjones: agree
[04:00] <jmjones> but one probably *ought* to figure out how to install stuff from CLI in case your system gets fscked and you have to fix stuff at a console.
[04:00] <jmjones> or remove stuff.....
[04:00] <thierry> if I want to fix a bug on ubuntu bugzilla, is there a ubuntu cvs or something like this to get the source of the product?
[04:01] <Arkainium> Why do my cdrom drives run in scsi generic/emulation mode when I use a sata hard drive?
[04:01] <mostrodibiscotti> ok
[04:01] <mostrodibiscotti> I see how synaptic works now
[04:01] <Moppin> I think it is just because some of us have been using Linux for a long time and GUI system management has a track record of being unreliable.
[04:01] <Moppin> But there are tools like synaptic I've warmed up to
[04:02] <crid0> jmjones: yes....apt-getting rocks. synaptic makes that move away from windoze more comfortable for some people i would think.
[04:02] <mostrodibiscotti> so far I have only the CD as a repository, am I thinking correctly that I could specify an internet repository and thus increase the software available to me via synaptic?
[04:02] <jmjones> i gotta say, #ubuntu channel rocks!
[04:03] <Jonax> That's common knowledge, jm ;)
[04:03] <Jonax> mostrodibiscotti, absolutely.  In fact, it's in the Unofficial Ubuntu Guide (give me a sec for a link)
[04:03] <ripok> Has anyone got problem with Cisco vpn client and ubuntu using ssh connection over vpn?
[04:03] <ploum> Hello
[04:04] <ploum> I have to install Ubuntu on a laptop with 128Mo of Ram only
[04:04] <crid0> mostrodibiscotti: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories  [fun, and quite easy to do.]
[04:04] <Jonax> mostrodibiscotti: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:04] <nalioths_dog> mostrodibiscotti: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:04] <nalioths_dog> mostrodibiscotti: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:04] <ploum> do you have any advices ?
[04:04] <thierry> if I want to fix a bug on ubuntu bugzilla, is there a ubuntu cvs or something like this to get the source of the product?
[04:04] <nalioth> Jonax: don't say it
[04:04] <Jonax> Beep beep?
[04:04] <nalioths_dog> Jonax: Please do not advise ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead.  Item 3 here explains why https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[04:04] <jtan325__> why does my IP address change each time i log on
[04:05] <jmjones> ploum: do it
[04:05] <Jonax> D'oh - Roger
[04:05] <jmjones> ploum: you may want to go with a lighter window manager like fluxbox....
[04:05] <ploum> jmjones, it's not for me
[04:05] <ploum> So I must keep Gnome
[04:05] <nalioth> Jonax: it seems 'the quick and easy path leads to the dark side"
[04:05] <ploum> thierry, which bug, for example ?
[04:05] <jtan325__> fluxbox is awesome, i use it right now
[04:06] <jtan325__> but why does my IP address change each time i log on?
[04:06] <jtan325__> and what is "hostname"?
[04:06] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: read what nalioths_dog sent to you
[04:06] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: stay away from ubuntuguide
[04:06] <crid0> nalioths_dog: thanks for the wiki...i had not read this yet.
[04:06] <mostrodibiscotti> ok, will do
[04:07] <jmjones> ploum: you may be fine with gnome....but that's going to eat up every last ounce of ram you got.....
[04:07] <Jonax> jtan325__: Your ISP is likely giving you a dynamic IP each time you log onto the internet
[04:07] <mostrodibiscotti> you people are awesome
[04:07] <mostrodibiscotti> this has been so much easier than mandrake
[04:08] <holycow> what is the url for the menu editor created by someone in here?
[04:08] <ploum> jmjones, I will try the live CD to have an idea
[04:08] <Jonax> Well Ubuntu is about community ;)
[04:08] <nalioth> holycow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[04:08] <jmjones> ploum: good idea
[04:08] <Jonax> Besides, the help is pretty good here - You have no idea how long I took cursing various distros and trying to get audio on my laptop ;)
[04:10] <jtan325__> Jonax, doesn't that make it inconvenient to do things like remote desktop?
[04:10] <jtan325__> and ssh
[04:10] <xophEr> How do I 'lock' the desktop icon size? So that if I change the icon to a custom one and the icon-picture is e.g. 75x75 pixels large, it will still be only 48x48?
[04:11] <Exposure> where can i find which modules are loaded on boot?
[04:11] <Exposure> some kind of modules.autoload
[04:11] <xophEr> /etc/modules
[04:11] <Exposure> ok, i think that didn't get updated when i built a new kernel :\
[04:11] <thierry> ploum, bug 9145
[04:12] <thierry> ploum, I'm a newbie for solving bugs so I prefer helping with easy stuff, like typos
[04:13] <crid0> i'd like to install a low-latency kernel on an ubuntu box for audio work. anyone tried this yet?
[04:14] <bkv> my cd drives bust and i was going to install off my network, but could i put the install files on my xp partition and install off that?
[04:14] <_blaz> i have a question about vmware
[04:14] <kbrooks> ask
[04:14] <_blaz> can anybody help me
[04:14] <nalioth> bkv: want a slightly longer way to do it?
[04:14] <anacron> hahaa! i got my official ubuntu cd:s yesterday
[04:14] <_blaz> thanks
[04:15] <bkv> i want the easiest way i can get nalioth
[04:15] <_blaz> i have installed windows
[04:15] <_blaz> and the work ok
[04:15] <nalioth> bkv: you got a floppy?
[04:15] <bkv> yeah
[04:15] <nalioth> bkv: go to debian, and find a woody floppy image for net installation
[04:15] <_blaz> how can I see stuff that are saved in "windows"
[04:15] <_blaz> in linux
[04:15] <nalioth> bkv: install a minimal woody system, and change the sources.list to ubuntu sources
[04:16] <nalioth> bkv: after you update/upgrade, you'll have ubuntu
[04:16] <bkv> and it'll install off the internet?
[04:16] <nalioth> bkv: yes, there are 'net install" woody floppy images
[04:16] <bkv> how many floppies is that then, not sure i've got any
[04:16] <Discipulus> anyone in here smoke weed?
[04:16] <nalioth> bkv: 2 or 3, i believe
[04:17] <crid0> Disciplus: yes...YOU
[04:17] <bkv> okay i'll look into it, thanks
[04:17] <adwait> heh
[04:17] <Discipulus> crid0, no I don't
[04:17] <teemu__> how do I set who is allowed to access the samba share?
[04:17] <jmjones> Discipulus: why are you asking
[04:17] <nalioth> bkv: just make sure its WOODY images, sarge, sid, or etch won't work
[04:17] <jmjones> what does that have to do with ubuntu?
[04:17] <Discipulus> jmjones, because I read somewhere that 75% of the US Population smokes weed
[04:17] <jmjones> you should be asking in a windows channel - *they're* the ones who have to be smoking weed
[04:17] <bkv> http://kopete.creativa.cl/debian/woody/ that is it?
[04:18] <Discipulus> I wanna see how many people that I associate with actually do
[04:18] <Discipulus> jmjones, hehe
[04:18] <adwait> hmm
[04:18] <nalioth> bkv: i'm not sure, let me look
[04:18] <jmjones> Discipulus: yeah - and over 75% of the population are on windows - i see a corrulation  :-)
[04:18] <xophEr> how do I resize desktop icons in gnome?
[04:18] <bkv> so i use the floppies on startup, it puts woody on there, i change the sources file and it starts downloading ubuntu onto the machine...
[04:18] <nalioth> bkv: yes
[04:18] <nikkia> Discipulus: 105% of statistics are BS
[04:18] <crid0> teemu_: this may or may not help you. the newest Linux Journal has an in-depth LDAP article in it. wish i knew more.
[04:18] <nalioth> bkv: you're basically installing enough debian to use the internet and have apt-get run
[04:19] <bkv> when i put debian on there i'll use the free space on the hdd to make a linux partiition right, i'm not going to lose xp just yet?
[04:19] <adwait> 76.45% of statistics are randomly made up
[04:19] <kbrooks> no, provided grub is there
[04:20] <Discipulus> nikkia, no they aren't.
[04:20] <nalioth> bkv: go here http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst
[04:20] <Discipulus> nikkia, 9 out of 10 dentists agree that the 10th dentist is an idiot
[04:20] <nalioth> bkv: yes, you will use your free space, windows should be fine
[04:20] <bkv> i just hope it works, this is a laptop but it should find the network card, hopefully
[04:20] <nalioth> bkv: don't forget the swap partition (can be automagically created by selecting 'use free space')
[04:21] <nalioth> bkv: wired network card?
[04:21] <nikkia> Discipulus: i think you'll find its 10 out of 10 dentists agree the 10th dentist is an idiot
[04:21] <teemu__> why does ubuntu use this worthless samba client ffs!?
[04:21] <bkv> i have pcmcia but i'll have to use a cable wont i
[04:21] <nalioth> bkv: probably so
[04:22] <nikkia> adwait: i use windows, i'm not nuts
[04:22] <bkv> i'd rather set up an ftp on one of my pcs, it'll save a few hours of downloading but will it work?
[04:22] <nalioth> adwait: thought that was 11 out of 10 windows users....
[04:22] <jmjones> nikkia: windows doesn't make you nuts?
[04:22] <jmjones> man - it drives me up the friggin wall!!!!
[04:22] <adwait> lol nalioth
[04:22] <nalioth> bkv: i think it won't take long changing the sources.list
[04:22] <nikkia> jmjones: no, not really, i don't LIKE using it, its a second, actually third, choice, but i do have to use it regularly
[04:22] <adwait> nikkia: u gotta use it for certain games and stuff.........but otherwise its pretty much useles
[04:22] <Tsar_vonHumbug> 3 out of every 2 people are innumerate :p
[04:22] <jtan325__> can i set my hostname to anything i want?
[04:23] <bkv> it'll get 700mb off the internet though that takes at least 4 hours on my pc
[04:23] <adwait> jtan325__:yeah
[04:23] <jtan325__> ii am not understanding these vocabulary terms, hostname, domainname...
[04:23] <nalioth> bkv: not so
[04:23] <adwait> hostname = name of ur computer on the lan
[04:23] <adwait> domanname= name of ur computer on the net......eg www.yahoo.com (i think....)
[04:23] <jtan325__> and it makes no difference what i set it to?
[04:23] <nalioth> bkv: when you get the minimal debian on your system, and changet the sources list, it'll only d/l waht makes the base ubuntu x-system
[04:23] <bkv> ooh, i just thought, onec debian is on there, can i connect my usb/firewire dvd drive and install off that?
[04:24] <adwait> jtan325__: if u rnt on a LAN, no
[04:24] <nikkia> adwait, actually, it probably won't make any difference what he sets it to even if he is on a lan
[04:24] <nalioth> bkv: imho, the simplest method is best (i don't think the netinst debian has firewrie/usb capability)
[04:24] <nikkia> adwait: as the default behaviour of dhclient isn't to push the hostname anyway, as far as i can tell
[04:24] <adwait> nikkia: well if other computers hv to access his, then hostname makes a difference.......or if a particular hostname is already in use
[04:25] <adwait> nikkia: hmm...not much idea really
[04:25] <nikkia> adwait, there is no concept of 'hostname conflicts' on LANs, only IP conflicts
[04:25] <bkv> right, i'll try it out once i find a net cable
[04:25] <nikkia> if a hostname is already in use, a dhcp server that accepts hostname pushes will either ignore the duplicate, or assign it a random hostname
[04:25] <adwait> nikkia: hmm/........so wht if if i enter the hostname "a" and there are two computers by tht name.....which one do i connect to?
[04:26] <bkv> if it doesnt work i'll be left with my normal xp system minus some hd space, right, no damage?
[04:26] <nalioth> adwait: why would you name 2 computers on your LAN the same name?
[04:26] <nikkia> adwait, it depends entirely on the method you use to resolve hostnames->IP
[04:26] <adwait> nalioth: just for argument sake
[04:26] <nalioth> bkv: yes, pretty much, just have a bootloader that should put you into windows
[04:26] <adwait> nikkia: hmm....k
[04:27] <nikkia> adwait, if you don't have 'a' defined in any way in /etc/hosts, it depends on the implementation of your DNS server, if you're using a DNS/dhcp server that accepts hostname pushing, it will depend entirely upon how they've implemented it, there is no hard rule
[04:27] <nalioth> unome: dja get my msg yestern?
[04:27] <adwait> nikkia: k
[04:27] <ripok> Has anyone got problem with Cisco vpn client and ubuntu using ssh connection over vpn?
[04:27] <bkv> nalioth, is that that grub thing? i put a floppy with grub on it and i can still use windows?
[04:28] <unome> nalioth, no sir
[04:28] <nalioth> bkv: more likely, you can fdisk the /mbr to clean grub off
[04:28] <nalioth> unome: you asked me to check a apache function
[04:28] <tritium> ripok, try using vpnc instead of Cisco's vpn client.
[04:29] <ripok> tritium: does it work with all cisco vpn hardware?
[04:29] <unome> nalioth, yes I remember, didnt get a response so I assumed you were busy
[04:29] <nalioth> unome: i responded with "timed out"
[04:29] <tritium> ripok, most, if not all
[04:30] <unome> ah .. thanks :)
[04:33] <Aragorn_Guardian> how i install java? what is needed?
[04:33] <nalioths_dog> Aragorn_Guardian: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[04:33] <Aragorn_Guardian> what packages...
[04:33] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice...thanks
[04:35] <tritium> nalioth, nice dog ;)
[04:35] <nalioth> tritium: saves his master from carpal tunnel
[04:35] <tritium> :)
[04:41] <marlijs> d
[04:41] <faya> did you see the ##lonndon channel
[04:42] <pdkl> what would be a fairly good MP3 Audio CD Ripper for lets say 20 CDs
[04:43] <nalioth> pdkl: grip
[04:43] <mostrodibiscotti> I run Exchange server 2003, and so far, in Ububtu I only see Outlook Web Access as a means to connect to mail.  Is there a linux based mail client that connects tu exchange server, but not using Pop or IMAP?
[04:44] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: look at evolution
[04:44] <tritium> mostrodibiscotti, but evolution requires OWA
[04:45] <Jonax> Suppose a package was installed but it didn't leave an entry in the GNOME menu.  How can I find where it is?
[04:45] <mostrodibiscotti> so I guess nothing exists that connects to exchange the wqay outlook does?
[04:45] <Nermal> well no
[04:46] <Nermal> it's a closed protocoll
[04:46] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Jonax, take a look in /bin & /sbin
[04:46] <tritium> Jonax, dpkg -L <packagename>
[04:46] <Nermal> exchange doesn't use pop or imap iirc
[04:46] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: i think tritium is saying outlook web access plus outlook
[04:46] <Nermal> use the exchange connector
[04:46] <tritium> Jonax, that will list all the files in the package
[04:46] <Nermal> for evolution
[04:46] <MdkLnx> hi everyone!!!
[04:46] <nalioth> damn i cant type
[04:46] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: evolution + outlook web access
[04:47] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: n/m see what nermal said
[04:47] <tritium> Yes, evolution can conect to exchange servers if they enable outlook web access, using the exchange connector
[04:47] <osity> i forgot my root....i have complete and full access to the box....what are my options please.....
[04:47] <nalioth> i just know that evolution can connect to exchange (but not the nuts and bolts)
[04:47] <unome> janox you can also search with apt-file, sudo apt-get install apt-file
[04:47] <nalioth> osity: you don't have a root
[04:48] <osity> i am a user.....but i forgot my root password..
[04:48] <Jonax> tritium: Thanks a lot :)
[04:48] <mostrodibiscotti> ok
[04:48] <tritium> Jonax, :)
[04:48] <Jonax> Yay for ScummVM ;)
[04:48] <egg|patented> flash vm?
[04:48] <nalioth> osity: have you enabled a root account?
[04:48] <osity> im using mandrake on this particular box...
[04:48] <Gourami> Hi all, quick question, I have a ubuntu pc that has no monitor connected, when I vnc to that machine though I can only get 640x480, if I have a monitor connected I can get 1280x1024 ?
[04:48] <nalioth> osity: ah, well then
[04:49] <nalioth> osity: you are out of luck
[04:49] <osity> i use ubuntu on my other box
[04:49] <osity> really?
[04:49] <egg|patented> flash had a vm in it ... so small and so fast
[04:49] <marlijs> to osity I think tah in ubuntuguide.org there was solution for your problem
[04:49] <osity> i have access to everything
[04:49] <osity> physically i mean
[04:49] <nalioth> osity: you'd have to resinstall to get rid of the current root pwd, i believe
[04:49] <Jonax> egg|patented: If you're talking to me, nah ScummVM - A virtual machine used for playing the old LucasArts games :D
[04:49] <Whistler> what is lirc?
[04:50] <tritium> osity, try rebooting into single-user mode, and then changing root's password (on the Mandrake box)
[04:50] <egg|patented> Lua language?
[04:50] <nalioth> !info lirc
[04:50] <ubotu> lirc: (Linux Infra-red Remote Control support), section universe/utils, is extra. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB
[04:50] <osity> tritium: how do you boot in single user mode...?
[04:50] <tweakism> What do I apt-get install to get build tools?  (like make...)
[04:50] <nalioth> osity: rescue mode from grub
[04:50] <tritium> osity, ^^^
[04:50] <nalioth> tweakism: apt-get install build-essential
[04:50] <osity> tritium: and then do i do it in the gui?
[04:50] <egg|patented> uh^H^H
[04:51] <tritium> osity, no, command line
[04:51] <tweakism> ah, k, couldn't find it 'cause I was typing build-essentials
[04:51] <nalioth> osity: and then i suggest you learn about sudoers and start using that method on the mandrake box
[04:51] <Jonax> tweakism: If you ever can't find a needed package, try "apt-cache search <search term>"
[04:51] <tweakism> Jonax: Check out the results from apt-cache search build.
[04:51] <nalioth> osity: or convert it to ubuntu
[04:52] <Jonax> Helps a lot, especially when packages are named slightly different from in guides
[04:52] <tweakism> it's like 200 packages.
[04:52] <tweakism> packages need better descriptions.
[04:52] <Jonax> tweakism: It's like Google - The more specific the better ;)
[04:52] <osity> tritium: thanks
[04:52] <tweakism> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg-dev_1.10.27ubuntu1_all.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[04:52] <tritium> osity, no problem.  Good luck
[04:52] <Jonax> Try "essential" instead :)
[04:52] <nalioth> tritium: i do purty good for a PPC only user, heh
[04:52] <tritium> nalioth, you rock!
[04:52] <nalioth> tweakism: the us repos are wonky today
[04:53] <tweakism> k.
[04:54] <tritium> nalioth, I'll probably become a PPC user soon.  I'm still only running OS X 10.4.1 on my new 20" iMac G5.
[04:55] <tritium> (well, it's my wife's machine)
[04:55] <blk> is there an alsa-compatible external soundcard (usb, fw) - i especially want SPDIF output
[04:55] <nalioth> tritium: i'm fixin to buy a G5 imac, and ironically, i'll probably never use tiger on it
[04:56] <nalioth> tritium: just make sure you have an ethernet jack close by
[04:56] <tritium> nalioth, wow, not at all?
[04:56] <tritium> yeah, no airport extreme support...
[04:56] <Gourami> Hi all, quick question, I have a ubuntu pc that has no monitor connected, when I vnc to that machine though I can only get 640x480, if I have a monitor connected I can get 1280x1024 ?
[04:56] <nalioth> tritium: why would i use OSX, when i can watch ubuntu Shmoke on it?
[04:56] <tritium> nalioth, good point :)
[04:57] <nalioth> tritium: i havent booted into OSX since i put ubuntu on (back in the warty days)
[04:57] <G|immer> hello all
[04:57] <nalioth> Gourami: you'll probably need to put a head on it and adjust your settings once
[04:57] <tritium> nalioth, oh, I'm surprised.  I thought you did.
[04:57] <nalioth> tritium: i have no need to
[04:58] <pdkl>  my cdrom on my laptop is acting slow on ripping cds
[04:58] <pdkl> any ideas on speeding it up?
[04:58] <tritium> pdkl, enable dma, perhaps
[04:58] <Gourami> nalioth, that would mean that I can't reboot it :(
[04:58] <nalioth> Gourami: i don't understand
[04:59] <G|immer> i have a GLib problem. I cannot find the dev package anywhere in the package program, and the necessary header files for compiling programs are not found
[04:59] <Gourami> nalioth, I have had it connected to a monitor, took the monitor elsewhere and then switched it on whithout a monitor with the intention to vnc and it has reverted to 640x480 as max
[05:00] <Gourami> is if no monitor detected only allows 640x480
[05:00] <elephant_bird> Hey.
[05:00] <Gourami> with the monitor it was 1280x1024
[05:00] <lesshaste>  how do I delete everything below a certain point in emacs?
[05:00] <nalioth> Gourami: i see. do you have to vnc into it? or can you work it via ssh?
[05:00] <elephant_bird> How do set up my modem under Ubuntu?
[05:00] <G|immer> hello elephant_bird
[05:00] <tritium> nalioth, I'll be away for a while.  Please ping me if anything comes up?
[05:00] <Gourami> I dont   know ssh, no idea how
[05:01] <nalioth> tritium: ping, scream, smoke signal
[05:01] <tritium> yeah ;)
[05:01] <nalioth> !info ssh
[05:01] <ubotu> ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[05:01] <nalioth> Gourami: ssh is your friend as far as remote administration
[05:01] <Gourami> nalioth,  does that only allow terminal or desktop ?
[05:02] <elephant_bird> What is DHCP?
[05:02] <nalioth> Gourami: a default ssh session is text only, but you can get fancy with ssh tunnels + vnc
[05:02] <nalioth> elephant_bird: dynamic host c(somethin) process
[05:03] <Gourami> nalioth, thanks, good reference for me to read up ?
[05:03] <elephant_bird> It fails when I install Ubuntu.
[05:03] <nalioth> Gourami: i think so, i think every *nix user should be familiar with ssh
[05:03] <nalioth> Gourami: built into ssh is sftp and scp
[05:03] <chrissturm>  where does zsh store its history?
[05:03] <nalioth> elephant_bird: that would be your router, or isp, i believe
[05:03] <elephant_bird> What do I have to do to configure my modem?
[05:03] <bkv> anyone had experience with linux and tv cards?
[05:04] <osity> is raid 1 easier to setup in mandrake than it is in ubuntu?
[05:04] <marlijs> i have configured bttv
[05:04] <nalioth> chrissturm: perhaps in ~/.zsh_history?
[05:04] <G|immer> can someone tell me why i cannot find libglib-2.0-dev on my system?
[05:04] <jtan325__> i just edited my /etc/ssh/ssh_config file, how do i "reload" it?
[05:04] <marlijs> bkv: what do you want to do?
[05:04] <nalioth> osity: should be the same procedure for both
[05:04] <jago> can any one helpme I can share a folder on kde
[05:05] <nalioth> G|immer: does it show up in synaptic?
[05:05] <bkv> well i just thought i might get one some day, i used to have one on windows but it crashed so much and since linux is meant to be so great, might finally be time to get a new tv card
[05:05] <chrissturm> nalioth, nope, i have no files that contain zsh in my homedir
[05:05] <nalioth> chrissturm: then i'm not sure. are you looking at invisibile files?
[05:05] <elephant_bird> Where do I go in Ubuntu to set up my modem?
[05:05] <egg|patented> zsh?
[05:05] <G|immer> nalioth: nope! that's the prob. it is nowhere to be found and a friend asured me is should be there.
[05:05] <egg|patented> zsh == bash ?
[05:05] <marlijs> i have old pixelview play tv pro - it wasnt so hard to get work it
[05:05] <nalioth> G|immer: then touch one and see if it 'takes'
[05:06] <bkv> it works all the time then no matter how much fiddling you do?
[05:06] <nalioth> egg|patented: another shell, yes
[05:06] <marlijs> bkv - yeap :)
[05:06] <egg|patented> nalioth, from ibm?
[05:06] <nalioth> elephant_bird: you can start here
[05:06] <nalioth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[05:06] <chrissturm> nalioth, sure.
[05:07] <nalioth> egg|patented: i'm not sure about other shells
[05:07] <elephant_bird> Thanks.
[05:07] <nalioth> elephant_bird: if you don't find it, the wiki is full of all kinds of info
[05:07] <egg|patented> sh,ash,ksh,csh,tcsh,bash,zsh
[05:07] <G|immer> nalioth: what u mean? try to compile?
[05:08] <nalioth> G|immer: i missent a msg to you instead of chrissturm
[05:08] <G|immer> lol
[05:08] <jtan325__> if i edited my /etc/ssh/ssh_config file, how do i "reload" the changes"
[05:08] <tweakism> Where should /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build point?
[05:08] <Moppin> jtan325__, 'sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart'
[05:08] <nalioth> G|immer: search synaptic for the main name of the file
[05:09] <nalioth> jtan325__: should be read the next time you invoke ssh
[05:09] <nalioth> jtan325__: ssh or ssh-server?
[05:09] <jtan325__> ssh
[05:09] <jtan325__> so i don't need to do ssh -X
[05:10] <jtan325__> i enabled X11 forwarding by default in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[05:10] <jtan325__> Moppin, doesn't that restart the server side?
[05:10] <jtan325__> or is "ssh daemon"
[05:10] <nalioth> jtan325__: you mean you don't like typing all taht stuff each time?
[05:10] <nalioth> jtan325__: Moppin have you the sshd answer
[05:11] <Moppin> jtan325__, Yes, that restarts the server.
[05:11] <zooko> Greetings, people of #ubuntu!  Does anybody know what I did in yesterday's dist-upgrade such that alt-B no longer goes back a word on my bash cmdline, but instead appends a "b" ?
[05:11] <jtan325__> and actually, there's only /etc/init.d/ssh, no /etc/init.d/sshd
[05:11] <nalioth> jtan325__: it's all over my head
[05:11] <Moppin> jtan325__, sorry I didn't read your full question :0
[05:11] <nalioth> jtan325__: i just poke the keys and things happen
[05:12] <jtan325__> haha. ok my question: i edited my /etc/ssh/ssh_config, i want to "referesh" the client side ssh to incorporate those changes. how?
[05:12] <holycow> zooko, alt/b should actually bring down the pulldown menu in command line window
[05:13] <jtan325__> similiar to /etc/init.d/ssh restart, but this is for the ssh client, not server
[05:13] <Moppin> jtan325__, ah... okay, everytime you run ssh it re-reads that file
[05:13] <nalioth> jtan325__: did you see my answer above?
[05:13] <jtan325__> hmmm
[05:13] <nameless1> i changed my mysql root password and typed it wrong... forgot what i typed... i have been had like 12hours sleep in the last 5or6 days or so, you figure. ANYWAY it ried uninstallin mysql to remove the root pass but it wont change back to default can someone help me out
[05:14] <Moppin> jtan325__, so you did something like enable X forwarding and it's not working?
[05:14] <jtan325__> exactly
[05:14] <jtan325__> i still have to do the -X option
[05:14] <nalioth> jtan325__: make an alias
[05:14] <Moppin> jtan325__, that is something that has to be allowd by the sshd on the server you are connecting to as well.
[05:14] <jtan325__> oh wait
[05:14] <jtan325__> i don't know how to spell
[05:14] <nalioth> jtan325__: you are being too technical
[05:14] <jtan325__> that's the proble
[05:14] <jtan325__> m
[05:14] <jtan325__> i don't freaking know how to spell "yes"
[05:14] <jtan325__> "ye"
[05:14] <jtan325__> MEDIEVAL TIMES
[05:15] <jtan325__> i apologize for my insolence
[05:15] <nalioth> jtan325__: did i miss something?
[05:15] <jtan325__> hmm
[05:15] <jtan325__> that still doesn't work though
[05:15] <G|immer> nalioth: it is not in the Synaptic Packager. i found it on the ubuntu online packages list and am downloading.. but, should it not be on the install CD? if so, in what folder?
[05:15] <Whistler> does anybody know where i can get irrecord?
[05:15] <jtan325__> Moppin, what are you saying?
[05:16] <nameless1> i changed my mysql root password and typed it wrong... forgot what i typed... i have been had like 12hours sleep in the last 5or6 days or so, you figure. ANYWAY it ried uninstallin mysql to remove the root pass but it wont change back to default can someone help me out
[05:16] <nalioth> G|immer: the install cd doesnt have a lot of 'non-desktop' packages
[05:16] <jtan325__> that on the sshd box i need to set an option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
[05:16] <nalioth> G|immer: and if you see it on the web, you should see it in your apt-cache
[05:16] <G|immer> nalioth: ic. ok then, after download, can i add it to Synaptic? and how.
[05:16] <nalioth> jtan325__: that is what he is saying
[05:17] <nalioth> G|immer: you should see it in synaptic NOW
[05:17] <Moppin> jtan325__, yes, the /etc/ssh/sshd_config you need to make sure "X11Forwarding yes" is there.
[05:17] <jtan325__> it's there
[05:18] <Moppin> jtan325__, in your ssh session can you just type 'xterm' and have it displayed? or are you getting an error message?
[05:18] <jtan325__> error message
[05:19] <jtan325__> hmmmm
[05:20] <G|immer> nalioth: it does not. is there a particular place i should put the deb file in?
[05:20] <Moppin> jtan325__, we are in dark waters now.  I don't really have another box here to do testing with.
[05:20] <nalioth> G|immer: no, you can install it from anywhere
[05:20] <nalioth> G|immer: and put it where you want ot keep it for later, or delete it after
[05:21] <zooko> holycow: I'm not running gnome-anything.  There are no menus.
[05:21] <jtan325__> ok well thanks anyway guys
[05:21] <zooko> Just an xserver, an xterm, and bash.
[05:21] <nalioth> G|immer: "sudo dpkg -i <pkgname.deb>
[05:22] <nalioth> zooko: you are hardcore
[05:22] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: i get the jre.bin from sun, but i dont have make-dpkg... 8(
[05:22] <zooko> I'm sure it isn't the xserver, so either the xterm or bash.  Or screen.  One of those three is responsible for changing my Alt-B from "go back one word" to "append a 'b'".
[05:22] <G|immer> nalioth: thanks, u were reading my thoughts. lol
[05:22] <Aragorn_Guardian> whats the safest way to do?
[05:22] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: call upon apt to help you out
[05:22] <zooko> nalioth: ;-)  Thanks, but I'm not TRULY hardcore until I understand what happened to my Alt-B when I dist-upgraded...
[05:22] <Aragorn_Guardian> thanks
[05:22] <nalioth> zooko: windows ate it    :)
[05:22] <G|immer> and... my sympathy to anyone who had to experience what happened today in London. Sad indeed. peace to all.
[05:23] <zooko> .. and I admit that I actually have a window manager in addition to x server, xterm, bash, and screen.  The window manager is ratpoison.  :-0
[05:23] <nalioth> mmmmm ratpoison
[05:23] <phlange> anyone that can please tell me how to get to my other harddrive once i've got it mounted in /mnt
[05:23] <phlange> i don't have any permissions whatsoever to access /mnt
[05:24] <inemo> G|immer: yeah, I thought it was a spoof site when I read it over my mates shoulder
[05:24] <nameless1> can someone help me PLZ i need to reset my mysql password and reinstalling mysql DOES NOT do that, HOW CAN I DO THIS. i accidently chagned it and forgot what i changed it to or typed it wrong beucase i was tired PLZ HELP i dont want to have to format
[05:24] <nalioth> phlange: have you been to https://wiki.ubuntu.com?
[05:24] <G|immer> inemo: :-S
[05:24] <inemo> G|immer: you in UK?
[05:24] <phlange> might have i've been to lots of places
[05:24] <phlange> this is all new and confusing to me
[05:25] <Aragorn_Guardian> ubuntu goes to a pendrive?
[05:25] <Aragorn_Guardian> is possible?
[05:25] <G|immer> inemo: no. far from there. but i have friends there, also my best friend is on vacation there and i do not know anything about him now. :(
[05:25] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: not sure
[05:27] <nalioth> zooko: d/g to hoary? are you playing with breezy?
[05:27] <Arkainium> I can't burn anything with gnomebaker because for some reason it defaults to /dev/sg0 as the device, so it can't open it.  My cdrom drive should be /dev/sg1
[05:28] <inemo> G|immer: sorry to hear that
[05:28] <zooko> nalioth: yes.
[05:28] <nalioth> zooko: the /topic meant nothing to you? lol
[05:29] <jeroen_> Arkainium, have you tried the preferences?
[05:29] <jeroen_> Devices tab
[05:29] <Arkainium> jeroen_, yea, everything is set correctly.  but when I actually start to burn, it just defaults to /dev/sg0
[05:29] <jeroen_> Arkainium, and when you click 'okay' does it begin to burn? It does here
[05:29] <G|immer> inemo: thanks.
[05:30] <zooko> nalioth: hey, if nobody uses it, then how will all the bugs get found?
[05:30] <jeroen_> Arkainium, it always gives an error that it can't use /media/cdrom, then I click okay, and it starts burning to /media/cdrecorder
[05:30] <jeroen_> zooko, :)
[05:30] <jeroen_> zooko, there really are a lot of Breezy bugs
[05:30] <Arkainium> jeroen_, I don't mean that error.  I get Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively.  /dev/sg0 is the generic scsi device for my hard drive.
[05:30] <jeroen_> Arkainium, I don't know. File a bug
[05:31] <G|immer> hey, anyone knows of a way to make Totem play DivX video? I installed the DivX codec from DivX website.
[05:35] <BeefTube> are there still problems with AMD64 hoary? last time I tried to install it would not let me install the grub to the MBR thus leaveing my computer unusable for a day untill I could download a diffrent distro to fix the MBR... TIA for any info :)
[05:36] <BeefTube> I am shopping for a distro for my 64bit laptop
[05:36] <dockane> how do i find out, which network interface is used by ppp0 ?
[05:36] <BeefTube> I really enjoyed warty on my i686
[05:36] <Tsar_vonHumbug> dockane, ifconfig
[05:36] <pdkl> im going to AMD 64 saturday :O
[05:36] <jeroen_> BeefTube, you can install x86 on a amd64. I do that
[05:36] <pdkl> wonder how fast is it going to beeeee
[05:37] <mjr> BeefTube, I've had that problem, but it wasn't because of amd64 problems, it was that the bios didn't show the SATA drive as a BIOS drive
[05:37] <merriam> dockane: what do you mean?  ppp0 is an interface.
[05:37] <G|immer> dockane: on my pc ppp0 is used by PPPoE interface. not sure if that is standard.
[05:37] <Tsar_vonHumbug> dockane, oh if it's ppp - it'll be your modem port unless you mean pppoe? when it'll be whichever eth port you route from
[05:37] <jtan325__> if i edited my /etc/ssh/ssh_config (note: client, not server), how do i "reload" the changes
[05:37] <BeefTube> yea, I have to install the 64 bit version, then the 32 bit version somehow... think we chroot the stuff that dont work in 64bit...
[05:37] <_linuxAS_> BeefTube, I've hoary in a amd64 laptop working fine
[05:37] <BeefTube> ok thanks mjr :)
[05:38] <jeroen_> jtan325__, my guess: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[05:38] <BeefTube> cool linuxAS thanks for the info
[05:38] <dockane> i just would like to know to which iface  my dsl modem (pppoe)  is conecetd
[05:38] <nalioth> jtan325__: it will read it when you issue 'ssh' command
[05:38] <catfox> hi all. i've got a hardware related problem. i've got my laptop wired to a router, but i want it wireless. so i bought a wireless bridge. is that the right hardware to go between my router and my wlan card?
[05:38] <grogoreo> hi
[05:38] <BeefTube> isnt ppp for dialup... think you need eth1 or eth0 for DSL... I may be wrong tho
[05:39] <jtan325__> haha nalioth, it still doesn't work
[05:39] <jeroen_> BeefTube, eth is for ethernet
[05:39] <frank_dot> dockane: probably ppp0
[05:39] <jtan325__> and jeroen_ that restarts the server
[05:39] <merriam> catfox: probably.  What hardware do you have exactly?
[05:39] <grogoreo> I'm using the command line FTP and want to upload a foler containing other sub-folders and files but how can i do it? put seems to be just for files
[05:39] <jeroen_> jtan325__, oh, alright
[05:39] <nalioth> BeefTube: ppp is for dialup, pppoe is ppp Over Ethernet
[05:39] <jeroen_> jtan325__, maybe try reading man ssh
[05:39] <zooko> BeefTube: I run ubuntu-amd-64 just fine.  Only problem is that upgrading to breezy broke my Alt-B command.  ;-)
[05:39] <BeefTube> oh! I see... thanks for the corrections
[05:39] <zooko> BeefTube: Well, there's also issues with non-free software, but you can workaround it.
[05:39] <frank_dot> BeefTube: I have pppoe and my interface is still ppp0
[05:40] <zooko> I run two non-free apps here by dint of 32-bit extra libs.
[05:40] <catfox> merriam, the bridge is a d-link dwl-810. the wlan card is supported by ndiswrapper and does work(used it at the office).
[05:40] <nalioth> jtan325__: do the lazy thing: make an alias for your ssh
[05:40] <dockane> my dear friends : i ve got 2 network cards. all i would like to know is, if eth0 OR eht1 is connected to my dslmodem. imho ifconfig does not offer this information ?
[05:40] <Moppin> grogoreo, I don't think on the basic CLI FTP you can do whole directories and sub-directories.  I know you can with ncftp (which is what I use)
[05:40] <jeroen_> BeefTube, if you have an dsl-modem, you could be connected to it via ethernet, so you would have eth0
[05:40] <catfox> merriam, the problem is, under linux i can't connect to the bridge at all to configure it, but i can in win xp. but when i DO configure it, i can't get a signal from it at all. in either windows or linux
[05:40] <grogoreo> Moppin - ok, thank you
[05:41] <BeefTube> yea jeroen, both my computers are ethernet.. I did not know that about ppp :)
[05:41] <merriam> catfox: can't you reach it wired?
[05:41] <catfox> merriam, the router? yeah, but i want to set up wireless so i can get more than one laptop to connect to it
[05:42] <catfox> merriam, oh, the bridge? when i connect and try to view it in a browser, i can't get to the device
[05:42] <nalioth> catfox: is your wireless card supported under ubuntu?
[05:42] <catfox> nalioth, not in the kernel, i use ndiswrapper
[05:42] <merriam> catfox: what bridge is it?  You should be able to set it up through wired ethernet and the router.
[05:42] <nalioth> catfox: so you can connect to other APs? like starbux or whatever?
[05:42] <catfox> merriam, yeah i've tried to set it up in linux but can't. it's a d-link DWL-810+
[05:42] <phlange> yay got printer to work!
[05:43] <catfox> nalioth, yeah at my office, i can connect to the router there with my ndiswrapper'd wlan card
[05:43] <BeefTube> does ubuntu have advanced mame, or Xmame? I am getting a bunch of legal roms from buying a  Hotstick (lots of old capcom and williams games)
[05:43] <BeefTube> want to make a cabinate
[05:43] <nalioth> catfox: i dont know what a wireless bridge is. i have always used wireless routers
[05:44] <catfox> nalioth, i was told it turns any wired ethernet device into a wireless one.
[05:44] <Moppin> nalioth, basicly it is an access point only.
[05:44] <BeefTube> I think it would look better... me running a Linux system rather than a windows system for my l337 game cabinate 8)
[05:44] <phlange> hmm
[05:44] <nalioth> catfox: so it is plugged into your wired router or directly into your modem?
[05:45] <phlange> does firefox just close for anyone else when they try to print something from it?
[05:45] <BeefTube> I am going to put a Xbox inside it with a KVM switch
[05:45] <catfox> Moppin, so the bridge should be set up in "Infrastructure" mode? (i have it set that way)
[05:45] <phlange> i printed from a text file just fine
[05:45] <BeefTube> the Xbox is going to run linux too
[05:45] <catfox> when i try to configure it, i connect my eth0 on my laptop directly to the bridge
[05:45] <nalioth> catfox: i'm not sure what we are talking about. there are boxes that plug into your laptop (ethernet port) and capture the wireless data from another AP
[05:46] <catfox> nalioth, this is my current set up. laptop1 -> wired to -> router. but i want: laptop1 -> wireless -> bridge -> wired to router
[05:46] <merriam> phlange: printing worked last time I looked.
[05:46] <catfox> nalioth, but to configure the bridge, you need to connect directly to it: laptop1 -> wired to -> bridge
[05:47] <nalioth> catfox: does the bridge have its own IP on the lan?
[05:47] <catfox> nalioth, yeah the manual says the bridge's ip is <IP_ADDRESS>