[14:01] <failers> i wanna remove vista and only keep kubuntu
[14:01] <blahjake> asraniel: strangely enough, i've found installing firefox-gnome-support makes it a bit better about that under kde as well
[14:01] <failers> but dont got any cds so i can burn kubuntu and reinstall it all
[14:01] <syockit> failers: then you can delete vista partition, move your partition to the beginning of disk, and resize it
[14:01] <ryxxed> personally, i'd overwrite zeros over that hard drive that has vista on it
[14:01] <ryxxed> and then format it sooo many times
[14:01] <itai> syockit, thanks, i'll give it a miss...
[14:01] <dragonmaster> Everything acts as if I have sound, but I don't hear anything.
[14:01] <Dr_willis> You can use Unetbootin or other ways to make a install-thumbdrive
[14:01] <syockit> failers: but if you still want to install, use a usb drive instead
[14:01] <failers> syockit i installed kubuntu thru wubi so vista and kubuntu is on same partition
[14:01] <syockit> ayyyy
[14:01] <ryxxed> don't use wubi
[14:02] <failers> syockit oh that is possible with usb stick?
[14:02] <blahjake> asraniel: you can also make a one-line shell script with this in it: kfmclient exec $1
[14:02] <failers> :o
[14:02] <syockit> failers: yes. refer to dr_willisss
[14:02] <blahjake> asraniel: and when firefox doesn't know the association, use that to open and it will use the kde association
[14:02] <ryxxed> wubi causes more problems than it solves
[14:02] <failers> it installed my kubuntu atleast :)
[14:02]  * Dr_willis votes for wubi to be removed in the next release :)
[14:03] <ryxxed> it's good for taking *buntu for a test drive
[14:03] <ryxxed> but after that it's useless
[14:03] <asraniel> blahjake: and where would that shellscript go and how should it be named?
[14:03] <Dr_willis> I have live cds that work better then wubi :)
[14:03] <failers> but Dr_willis then how to install from usb disk just copy all things on the iso to the usb or? i do know my computer is bootable from a usb but i dont know the part how to get kubuntu on it
[14:03] <dragonmaster> I have music playing in Amarok but no sound.
[14:04] <Dr_willis> failers,  ------>  You can use ' Unetbootin'  or other ways to make a install-thumbdrive
[14:04] <asraniel> blahjake: ah, i got it
[14:04] <syockit> failers: check out unetbootin
[14:04] <ryxxed> failers : as it has already been stated : unetbootin
[14:04] <failers> oki i will thx
[14:04] <Dr_willis> I always use unetbootin now a days
[14:04] <ryxxed> dragonmaster : uh, turn your volume up
[14:04] <dragonmaster> Nevermind.  Seems I didn't have headphones going.  lol
[14:04] <ryxxed> haha
[14:04] <syockit> cool, there's also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Live_USB_creator
[14:05] <Dr_willis> syockit,  yep. that works very well also.
[14:05] <Dr_willis> but im not sure if you can dothat from the live cd. :)
[14:05] <syockit> I think it won't survive wikipedia notability
[14:05] <failers> Currently the tool is only available for Ubuntu, but Windows and KDE versions are planned
[14:05] <syockit> no, he can do it from wubi kubuntu
[14:05] <ryxxed> This is a harmless program [citation needed].
[14:05] <dragonmaster> Linux is getting much better. lol
[14:05] <failers> so didnt help me but im downloading unetbootin now anyway :P
[14:06] <Dr_willis> [citation needed].[citation needed]. on the [citation needed].
[14:06] <Dr_willis> unetbootin - can even download the iso and mke the bootable thumbdrive auomatcally
[14:06] <syockit> failers: I thought you have kubuntu on the windows?
[14:06] <syockit> you can run it from that kubuntu
[14:06] <syockit> aha, i see
[14:06] <syockit> sorry
[14:06] <failers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Live_USB_creator says that kde aint supported :o
[14:06] <Dr_willis> I normally use unetbootin on windows :) lol
[14:07] <Dr_willis> the unetbootin binary works under kubuntu or ubuntu
[14:07] <Dr_willis> or windows
[14:07] <ryxxed> install kde afterwards?
[14:07] <failers> :P
[14:07] <Dr_willis> and it does work with the kubuntu iso files.. and xubuntu, and alternative iso files
[14:07] <failers> what ever unetbootin is installing now so to late ^^
[14:07] <doates> thanks dr_willis!
[14:08] <syockit> nah, installing kubuntu fresh is the best
[14:08] <ssj4Gogeta> This is the first time I'm on an IRC. So it's like a chatroom?
[14:09] <failers> damn unetbottin was a cool and easy software :o
[14:09] <ryxxed> no, it's like google
[14:09] <Dr_willis> IRC is the ORIGINAL chatrooms :)
[14:09] <Dr_willis> unless you call  newsgroups chatrooms.. :)
[14:10] <ssj4Gogeta> ok thanks :)
[14:10] <Dr_willis> but those are  not quite the same..
[14:10] <syockit> I, who came from earlier internet age, don't know of existence of other chatroom apps
[14:10] <ryxxed> yahoo chatroom and so on, so on
[14:10] <ssj4Gogeta> I've used chatrooms in yahoo instant messenger
[14:10] <Dr_willis> I recall compiling IRC (the original irc client called IRC) ages ago :)
[14:10] <Dr_willis> and irc chatting on 'greenbar' printing terminals
[14:11] <failers> haha
[14:11] <malv> i have like three eth0s in knetworkmanager for some reason
[14:11] <Dr_willis> and on bbs systems
[14:11] <ssj4Gogeta> wow
[14:11] <failers> my irc time started around when windows 98 SE was released :P
[14:11] <Dr_willis> My IRC time started in 1986 I think. :)
[14:11] <failers> :o
[14:12] <failers> did internet even exist at that time
[14:12] <failers> haha
[14:12] <ssj4Gogeta> lol i didn't start using internet until 2000
[14:12] <Dr_willis> Internet  = not  exactly
[14:12] <Dr_willis> BBS and FTP sites and IRC = yes
[14:12] <gilles__> hi
[14:12] <Dr_willis> and newsgroups
[14:12] <failers> ok :P
[14:12] <doates> Dr_willis
[14:13] <doates> I keep getting an error trying to install the package
[14:13] <gilles__> anybody here has success with nepomuk + strigi
[14:13] <ssj4Gogeta> So you can get help here about Kubuntu?
[14:13] <ryxxed> pretty much, yeah
[14:13] <Dr_willis> doates,  give the error to the channel wouldbe the best idea
[14:13] <gilles__> "in nepomuk conf it write "strigi service not running"
[14:14] <doates> Error is
[14:14] <doates> APT Error. Context:
[14:14] <doates>     Package download failed,
[14:14] <doates>     I wasn't able to locate a file for the flashblock package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)
[14:14] <gilles__> i'm using kde 4.2
[14:14] <Dr_willis> I dont use flashblock. or i install it  from the firefox extensions sit eon a per user  case..  so NO idea on that.
[14:14] <ssj4Gogeta> cool. I'm new to Linux and I discovered I can do pretty much everything in Kubuntu which I can do in Windows except gaming. I haven't even booted into Windows since I got Kubuntu running properly
[14:16] <failers> ssj4Gogeta if you want gaming checkout what wine and cedega can do :)
[14:16] <Dr_willis> Gaming is for the weak
[14:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:16] <failers> gaming is for the bored pro's
[14:17] <ssj4Gogeta> so cedega and wine will run dx9/10 games?
[14:17] <failers> some
[14:17] <failers> it wont run the bugfree and hazzle free you but some games run
[14:17] <failers> *them
[14:17] <Dr_willis> Ive not seen a DX10 game thats worth running in DX10 mode. :)
[14:18] <ssj4Gogeta> crysis is good in dx10
[14:18] <Dr_willis> They came out with a dx10date to it?
[14:18] <Dr_willis> update :)
[14:18] <ssj4Gogeta> I'll try wine and cedega :)
[14:19] <ssj4Gogeta> no it supported dx10 from the beginning :)
[14:19] <Dr_willis> i played that 'crysis warcry'  the other day. :)
[14:19] <failers> ssj4Gogeta http://appdb.winehq.org/ there you have wich programs and games wine can run and most of them got guides on how to run them etc
[14:19] <malv> comic plasma widget crashes plasma =(
[14:19] <Dr_willis> I dont even recall DX10being out at that time.. but i dont remebmer ;)
[14:19] <ssj4Gogeta> thanks failers :D
[14:20] <failers> oh and cedega costs some money
[14:20] <Heliodor> Hello
[14:20] <failers> so unless you want to pay you should checkout wine only ^^
[14:20] <Heliodor> how can i clean out unused libraries?
[14:20] <Dr_willis> its not really worth it to get cedega much these days
[14:20] <ssj4Gogeta> ok. i'll see...
[14:21] <ssj4Gogeta> I'm having some problem with flash in Firefox too. it doesn't play the sound in videos
[14:21] <ssj4Gogeta> i'll appreciate some help :)
[14:23] <failers> Dr_willis big thanks now its booting the live cd from my usb stick :)
[14:23] <Dr_willis> amazingoriffic eh?
[14:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:23] <failers> yea :)
[14:24] <ssj4Gogeta> the site says I can even run PS CS3 on wine!!!
[14:25] <failers> ssj4Gogeta dont get to excited most apps that are listed runs in wine but comes with plenty of bugs :P
[14:26]  * Dr_willis dosent even know what PS CS3 is
[14:26] <failers> me neither
[14:26] <failers> :P
[14:27] <failers> recomended size on swap partition ? :)
[14:28] <johnflux_> photoshop I think
[14:28] <johnflux_> I've seen the CS code word used for photoshop
[14:28] <Dr_willis> or Counterstrike. :)
[14:28] <palbuddy> hi, help please please?  I'm trying to install Kubuntu and it hangs at the keyboard layout screen
[14:29] <palbuddy> it just sits there, and I can even use this IRC at the same time
[14:29] <SlimeyPete> yeah, PS CS3 == Photoshop (Creative Suite 3)
[14:29] <ssj4Gogeta> any help with my flash issue in firefox..? :)
[14:29] <Dr_willis> !flash
[14:29] <Dr_willis> thats the extent of my info on flash help.
[14:29] <Dr_willis> !sound
[14:30] <ssj4Gogeta> I can play music, but only the music in flash videos doesn't work
[14:30] <Dr_willis> theres some extra lib for flash ive seen mentiond that may help
[14:31] <Dr_willis> but i forget where is aw the info at
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:32] <Dr_willis>  sudo apt-get install libflashsupport
[14:32] <Dr_willis> may help :)
[14:32] <Dr_willis> with flash-sound
[14:32] <ssj4Gogeta> thanks, I'll try that :)
[14:33] <Dr_willis> and thats from the flash url the bot posted.. but some of htose guides are a bit old
[14:33] <palbuddy> anybody know of a good website that has to do with instillation bugs?
[14:33] <Dr_willis> the ubuntu/kubuntu forums
[14:33] <ssj4Gogeta> so ubottu is a bot???
[14:33] <Dr_willis> would be ht eplace to start
[14:33] <Dr_willis> !bot
[14:35] <mofux> hi guys, i'm running kde 4.2. installed from the kubuntu experimental ppa... how can i install the compiz-kde package?
[14:35] <mofux> i'm getting dependancy errors
[14:35] <spectral> Hi, i'm trying to disable ipv6. the kernel module is not loaded, but still i have an ipv6 address showing up in ip/ifconfig. how can i get rid of it?
[14:35] <mofux> caused by libplasma2
[14:36] <ssj4Gogeta> ubuntu bot!! interesting
[14:36] <ssj4Gogeta> !foo
[14:36] <spectral> !ipv6
[14:36] <ssj4Gogeta> !foo is foo
[14:39] <failers> hm
[14:40] <failers> restricted drivers avaible but when i press the driver and click activate nada happends
[14:41] <spectral> well i don't know what's wrong, i thought it was ipv6 interfering. but wget, svn, etc cannot resolve. but it does work with nslookup et al.. any ideas?
[14:42] <eightieskhild> anyone here know how to make firefox go back when you press backspace in Kubuntu?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> spectral,  open the Run Command & type; kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist '  add this line ' blacklist ipv6 '  save the file and reboot  then open the konsole and do:' ip a | grep inet6 '  If there's no output, IPv6 is disabled
[14:43] <spectral> BluesKaj: it isn't listed with lsmod, but ip a still shows inet6 address
[14:44] <BluesKaj> do the above , it will work , don't worry about lsmod
[14:44] <ssj4Gogeta> Firefox tabs aren't rendering correctly in KDE. can someone help me? :)
[14:44] <spectral> what i did was echo 'install ipv6 /bin/true' >/etc/modprobe.d/ipv6
[14:44] <spectral> blacklisting also did not help.. and the alias inet-pf-10 off trick didn't either
[14:45] <BluesKaj> did you reboot ?
[14:45] <spectral> of course
[14:45] <BluesKaj> then I don't know what else to tell you
[14:45] <spectral> :(
[14:46] <eightieskhild> ssj4Gogeta: do you have a nvidia card?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> spectral, your obviously trying this a diff pc , right ?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> on
[14:47] <eightieskhild> anyone here know how to make firefox go back when you press backspace?
[14:47] <eightieskhild> or is it gobal?
[14:47] <spectral> BluesKaj: no, it's on this one.. but, if there is no ipv6 module listed with lsmod, it should be ok?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> spectral, I din't see you leave the chat, so how could you have rebooted ?
[14:48] <spectral> BluesKaj: i have tried that before coming here already
[14:49] <spectral> but just to settle any doubts i can do it again..
[14:49] <BluesKaj> ipv6 is merely disabled , it isn't deleted
[14:49] <K47w0> pk f0r 3v3r
[14:49] <robin0800> eightieskhild: alt and direction keys do this on my laptop
[14:49] <K47w0> h0ll4
[14:50] <hyperboreean> Hi, does anyone know in which package is the mkinitrd located under kubuntu 8.10?
[14:50] <eightieskhild> robin0800 i know i'm just so used to pressing back space ... lol
[14:51] <eightieskhild> robin0800: this is only my 2second day Without windows ever (always used both but mostly windows)
[14:51] <K47w0> sto guardando "Uomini e Donne" che palle........ Federico nn si decide proprio..........
[14:51] <Pici> !it | K47w0
[14:51] <eightieskhild> !amarok
[14:52] <eightieskhild> >.<
[14:52] <failers> !knetmanager
[14:52] <failers> !netmanager
[14:52] <failers> :o
[14:52] <failers> could use some guide how to set up wireless connection
[14:52] <eightieskhild> i could have sworn amarok was 2.0...
[14:53] <BluesKaj> !knetworkmanager | failers
[14:53] <BluesKaj> heh , some help that is
[14:54] <failers> hm yea
[14:54] <robin0800> !failers wirless netwoking
[14:54] <failers> haha
[14:54] <BluesKaj> !wifi
[14:55] <BluesKaj> !dhcp
[14:55] <ssj4Gogeta> !adept
[14:55] <spectral> BluesKaj: ok, added the blacklist ipv6 line to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist  but ip a still shows inet6:
[14:55] <eightieskhild> !amarok2
[14:56] <BluesKaj> there that should cover all the bases
[14:56] <BluesKaj> spectral, ip a | grep inet6
[14:57] <BluesKaj> is there any output ?
[14:57] <spectral> yep that gives me 2 matching lines.. one for loopback, one for eth0
[14:58] <BluesKaj> did you do the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist , like I suggested ?
[14:58] <spectral> yes
[14:58] <spectral> spectral@jaghut:~$ grep ipv6 /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[14:58] <spectral> blacklist ipv6
[14:59] <Authority> where should I submit bug reports for KDE 4.2 on Intrepid that aren't "packaging related"?  The release notes only mention packaging bugs.
[15:00] <Kyran> hey guys
[15:00] <Kyran> I've got a problem with the kde 4.2 packages
[15:01] <Kyran> I'm trying to install them on a fresh ubuntu minimal system by apt-getting kde-core
[15:01] <Kyran> but I get an error on package libpcre3
[15:01] <Kyran> apt-get says the size doesn't match
[15:02] <failers> do i ever need to reboot ubuntu when installing new updates / software unless itself tells me that i should?
[15:03] <Kyran> it depends on what's upgraded
[15:03] <Kyran> for normal apps you shouldn't
[15:03] <Kyran> but a new kernel won't be loaded until you reboot
[15:03] <failers> ye but a new kernel update usually makes kubuntu say that i need to reboot :P
[15:03] <failers> or atleast i think so
[15:04] <Kyran> I'm still on 3.5, and it never tells me to reboot :)
[15:04] <failers> hm ok
[15:04] <failers> oh well 1 minute here and there i doesnt hurt to reboot i guess :P
[15:04] <Kyran> it's not critical anyway
[15:04] <william_> is this out of date or did I install the wrong version? http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/kubuntu
[15:05] <eightieskhild> anyone know what i need to do to get amarok2?
[15:05] <Kyran> it's explained on kubuntu.org
[15:05] <failers> william_ what do you mean
[15:05] <Kyran> you need have kde4 and activate an extra repository
[15:06] <failers> william_ your desktop doesnt look like the pictures does or?
[15:06] <lokai> whats the compiz effects manager called again?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Kyran , do you have these debs in your sources list ..look under intrepid in the dropdown box, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[15:07] <william_> failers, it says the current stable release is kubuntu 6.10 with kde 3.5.5
[15:07] <william_> failers, can't you read?
[15:07] <Kyran> yeah kubuntu experimental is in the sources.list
[15:07] <eightieskhild> Kyran: isn't Intrepid Ibex kde4?
[15:07] <Kyran> eightieskhild: yes it is
[15:07] <eightieskhild> i thought so.
[15:07] <Pici> william_: Yes, it needs to be updated.
[15:08] <william_> lol, that's so bad it's almost funny
[15:08] <Pici> william_: I'll file a bug, if theres not one already there.
[15:08] <Kyran> BluesKaj : it crashes on the libpcre3 package from that launchpad repository
[15:09] <Kyran> it says the size doesn't match and refuses to continu
[15:09] <Pici> Bug 112673 has already been filed.  I'll poke someone about it.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Kyran , oh yeah, that's becoming a problem on some setups
[15:10] <william_> why is firefox such a bad performer
[15:10] <william_> is it the gtk stuff?
[15:10] <Kyran> is there a solution to the problem?
[15:11] <william_> Kyrun, is it just the gpg error?
[15:11] <Kyran> it's not the gpg error
[15:11] <Kyran> I've got the keys
[15:11] <Kyran> it's a filesize error
[15:11] <BluesKaj> well, kernel upgrade , one must obey, so gonna reboot
[15:11] <william_> try re-downloading the file
[15:12] <Kyran> purge the downloaded packages and try again?
[15:12] <william_> yeah
[15:13] <Kyran> I'll give it a shot
[15:13] <Kyran> got to reboot, cause I'm installing on a different partition on this machine
[15:15] <william_> this is weird, one second my gtk aps including synaptic want to look like oxygen, the next minute they don't
[15:16] <eightieskhild> i have alot of my package listing failing anyone else?
[15:18] <nargzul> Hi again, anybody knows which package I must install to have debug information when a programm crash?
[15:19] <william_> anyone know of a decent gui for configuring samba that actually works?
[15:19] <ssj4Gogeta> Can someone tell me more about mouse gestures in KDE? I must have triggered one accidentally cause it showed me thumbnails on my windows on the screen
[15:19] <ssj4Gogeta> !mouse gestures
[15:19] <Kyran> cleaning out the downloaded packages doesn't help
[15:20] <ssj4Gogeta> !gestures
[15:20] <Kyran> libpcre3 still has the wrong filesize
[15:21] <lokai> I'm trying to assign a keybinding for the action 'minimize window' in KDE3. I do kdesudo systemsettings and set my key binding there. It saves, but the binding doesn't work -- why?!
[15:21] <nargzul> no one?
[15:22] <Kyran> lokai: shouldn't you configure the keybinding in the normal systemsettings?
[15:22] <Kyran> you've probably bound it for the root account
[15:22] <lokai> ah, maybe.
[15:23] <lokai> no -- didn't work.
[15:23] <lokai> still have the same problem
[15:24] <Kyran> I never really used keybindings, so I can't really help there
[15:24] <BluesKaj> william_ , try,  system-config-samba
[15:25] <lokai> arghhh why aren't keybindings working (KDE3) ? The settings are saved when I re-visit them in systemsettings, but they don't work!!
[15:25] <william_> BluesKaj, I have tried that one but it does not work
[15:25] <william_> it doesn't add the folders to smb
[15:25] <william_> althouth the server config bit seem so work
[15:25] <BluesKaj> william , di you configure it ?
[15:26] <william_> BluesKaj, isn't that what system-config-samba is supposed todo lol?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> william_ , I don't use a gui , I just type smb:/ in the addressbar in konqueror and the workgroup pc's are listed
[15:27] <Kyran> no one knows why apt-get gives me a wrong filesize error on llibpcre3 in the kde4.2 update?
[15:28] <william_> BluesKaj, how do you configure folders to share?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> william you have configure sharing in the dirs that would like , by clicking on properties then the share tab
[15:28] <william_> BluesKaj, I am migrating a friend to linux and he is a gui kinda guy
[15:29] <william_> BluesKaj, that has NEVER worked in kde 4
[15:29] <BluesKaj> actully it's easier to share in linux than it is in windows , I do both
[15:29] <william_> When I click on the Share tab I have the option Configure File Sharing
[15:29] <william_> it prompt me for admin pass
[15:30] <BluesKaj> kde 4 isn't much different than kde3 , in terms of useage
[15:30] <Kyran> I still recommend and install kde3.5
[15:30] <william_> I select the folder I want to share and share it with write privileges.
[15:30] <Kyran> I haven't been able to get 4 running smoothly enough for a non geek to able to work with it
[15:30] <william_> the reason I does not work is because it does not do any user or group forcing
[15:31] <BluesKaj> use your normal pw, william_
[15:31] <william_> yes, I use my password and share the folder but I can't write to the folder
[15:32] <failers> !sound
[15:33] <BluesKaj> ok , try this in the terminal , there are 2 cmnds , first : sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmnt , then: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbumount ..warning , this makes the linux machine let anyone use the network
[15:34] <nargzul> Hi again, anybody knows which package I must install to have debug information when a programm crash?
[15:34] <Kyran> run it from commandline
[15:34] <william_> BluesKaj, is that what kio uses?
[15:34] <william_> kio samba
[15:34] <Kyran> you'll get a stacktrace if it craches
[15:35] <BluesKaj> william , make sure your folders on the other networked pcs are shared as well
[15:35] <william_> ok
[15:35] <william_> what next?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> william_ , most samba clients will see those commands
[15:36] <BluesKaj> now , try smb:/ in konq
[15:37] <william_> yup
[15:37] <william_> I can see my computer in my workgroup
[15:37] <william_> now how do I share my desktop folder
[15:39] <BluesKaj>  william_ , /home/yourusername/edit/properties/share tab/configure sharing
[15:39] <nargzul> Kyran: it's for programm like kwin :/
[15:40] <Kyran> those tend to leave logs if they crach
[15:40] <Kyran> check /var/log/
[15:41] <DaSkreech> Ok just had an unexpected power down
[15:41] <william_> Bluekaj, I have done that and I can see my folder listed under the shares
[15:41] <DaSkreech>  now plasma can't find 1/4 of my widgets
[15:41] <DaSkreech> Anyone have any clue how to get them back?
[15:44] <nargzul> Kyran: we can't find any stack trace to report a bug :(
[15:45] <Kyran> there's a bunch of logs in there
[15:45] <william_> samba is so bad
[15:45] <Kyran> if a system critical component fails, you're going to able to read about it in one of them
[15:45] <Kyran> if I don't know what the crash is, then I can't really point you to anything more specific
[15:46] <william_> samba does not like gui
[15:47] <nargzul> Kyran: yes but it doesn't really help to know how to debug after
[15:47] <Kyran> ?
[15:49] <william_> do I need to add a samba user or something?
[15:49] <william_> I have set a samba password
[15:49] <william_> isn't it supposed to just use the system users?
[15:49] <william_> and when I login to my account from another computer why does it not run as the user I just loged in as
[15:50] <wastrel> hi hi
[15:51] <mofux> is there a kde4-window-decorator (compiz) available for 4.2 ? the package compiz-kde doesn't work because of unmet dependencies
[15:53] <Kyran> why would you want compiz for the kde4 series?
[15:53] <Kyran> it has compositing build in?
[15:53] <Kyran> (no question mark needed there)
[15:53] <gorgonzola> herllo, i'm trying to setup GCaldaemon to use my google calendar in kontcat. first of all, isn't there a more straigthforward way? ie, a kubuntu package that would allow me to do this? and if not, what is the normal procedure to manually add a daemon to the system?
[15:54] <mofux> Kyran: kwin runs way too slow to use for me
[15:54] <gorgonzola> ie, what group? where do i put the link for autostart on boot, etc/init.d/? etc.
[15:54] <yago> hi does anyone know how to inyect packages with ipw2200?
[15:54] <genii> william_: Samba user list can be totally different than system user list even if you have syncing the two as preference. Add a samba user by: sudo smbpasswd -ae username              and use the same passwd as the system name.
[15:54] <mofux> i'd like to use it though if it would run at good speed
[15:54] <Kyran> mofux: running it on an nvidia card?
[15:55] <mofux> nope, radeon 9800, using the OS radeon driver
[15:55] <Kyran> try using the fglrx drivers
[15:55] <mofux> i did before, same
[15:55] <Kyran> iirc the os drivers don't have 3d acceleration
[15:55] <mofux> they do have
[15:55] <gorgonzola> yes, they do
[15:55] <genii> william_: You will need restart of samba before changes take effect
[15:56] <Kyran> ah, I never got 3d working smooth with them, so I guessed it didn't support it
[15:56] <gorgonzola> i just reinstalled my box, and the radeon driver enabled kwin effects without flaw
[15:56] <Kyran> it's best to look if you can tweak your xorg.conf first
[15:56] <mofux> i have no flaws either, but it's running only about 18 fps
[15:56] <mofux> and feels sloppy
[15:57] <mofux> i could track it down to be the shadows plugin
[15:57] <mofux> if i disable it i get 50fps
[15:57] <Kyran> there we go :)
[15:57] <Kyran> kwin can be sped up a lot by picking the right settings
[15:57] <Kyran> there's some interesting blog posts to be found about that
[15:57] <thinkgnu> how can i add exprimental repository in adept ? in which tab is it in Software Sources
[15:57] <mofux> Kyran: i know, i already talked to the kwin dev
[15:58] <Kyran> then you're way better informed than I am ;)
[15:58] <Kyran> I've been trying to get good performance out of kwin on my laptop with an nvidia card, but no luck so far
[15:58] <mofux> well... that's why i want to install compiz-kde :)
[15:58] <thinkgnu> is it in UPDATES tab ?
[15:58] <Kyran> thinkgnu: 3rd party tab
[15:59] <Kyran> then just type in deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[15:59] <Kyran> and hit save
[15:59] <thinkgnu> Kyran: is this ? >http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu interpid partner
[15:59] <thinkgnu> oh
[15:59] <thinkgnu> thanks
[15:59] <Kyran> if you want the kubuntu experimental repo that is :)
[15:59] <Kyran> don't overwrite anything, just add a line
[15:59] <calice123> !list
[15:59] <thinkgnu> ok
[16:01] <Kyran> repost: I'm having some problems installing kde 4.2 on a clean system
[16:01] <Kyran> I keep getting the error that the libpcre3 package does not have the correct size
[16:01] <william_> god, I now tried SWAT to configure samba and that doesn't work without a root password!
[16:03] <genii> Kyran: Then delete from /var/cache/apt/archives   the partially d/l or corrupt packagename there of libpcre3
[16:04] <Kyran> I've already tried running apt-get clean
[16:04] <Kyran> but that didn't help
[16:06] <neothecat> is there a way in kmail using IMAP to just check "INBOX" and not any other folders during interval email checking?
[16:07] <genii> Kyran: clean will only delete packages there which are setup already, etc. If they are pending or so it won't delete a packaname it finds there in that case.
[16:07] <genii> Kyran: You need to manually rm the corrupt file
[16:07] <Kyran> ok thanks
[16:07] <Kyran> I'll give that a shot
[16:08] <elgordo123> Hello...
[16:08] <tedy_> peace
[16:08] <elgordo123> Using compiz fusion, kontact and okular always open in full screen.  I have no idea how to permantly change that
[16:08] <elgordo123> so it only opens in regular window?
[16:09] <tedy_> what s going on
[16:09] <elgordo123> using kde 4.2 kubuntu packages
[16:11] <bobbob1016_> I just installed kubuntu-desktop alongside my ubuntu (gnome), how can I keep them separate, as in now in gnome, when I open a folder it uses Dolphin, I want gnome programs to open in gnome, and kde ones in kde, any ideas?
[16:15] <Kyran> genii: I removed the file, but it didn't help
[16:15] <Kyran> it still says the filesize doesn't match
[16:17] <zicada> i gotta say, i dont think ive ever seen fonts this good in firefox using linux
[16:17] <zicada> http://zic.darktech.org/zicada/win.png
[16:18] <BluesKaj> bobbob1016_ , did you choose kde desktop at login ?
[16:18] <Unksi> zicada: me neither, kde <3 :)
[16:19] <genii> Kyran: Do you have a mix of repositories from different dists perhaps?
[16:19] <bobbob1016_> BluesKaj, No
[16:19] <Kyran> nope
[16:19] <Unksi> thats actually what ive always seen with kde4 :) (except with gtk apps in the first kde 4 releases)
[16:19] <Kyran> I've got kubuntu 8.10 defaults
[16:19] <zicada> you'll notice thats firefox though
[16:19] <Kyran> kukuntu-members-kde4
[16:19] <Unksi> ye
[16:19] <Kyran> and kubuntu-experimental
[16:20] <zicada> yeah the default 8.10 in kde4.2 are excellent
[16:20] <zicada> but in firefox it makes you weep blood
[16:20] <zicada> heh
[16:20] <BluesKaj> bobbob1016_ , if you have both kde and gnome desktops installed , then you must decide which one you want to use at the login menu. Which is the default if you don't choose ?
[16:20] <genii> Kyran: PErhaps comment out experimental, sudo apt-get update      then try install of it again
[16:21] <Unksi> ye, tho lately its been ok too :)
[16:21] <genii> Kyran: Could you pastebin result of:  apt-cache policy libpcre3              this may tell what repos
[16:21] <Kyran> the thing is that I want to install kde4.2
[16:21] <Kyran> which is experimental
[16:22] <bobbob1016_> BluesKaj, I chose gnome.  What I mean is in gnome, I want nautilus to open when I open a folder, in kde I want dolphin.  However now in gnome, I get dophin opening folders.
[16:22] <Kyran> is *in experimental
[16:23] <genii> Kyran: If different vers are listed by the apt-cache policy command, you can force a specific version in the install line
[16:23] <Kyran> could you tell me how I do that
[16:24] <Kyran> (I need to reboot this system to try this out)
[16:25] <genii> Kyran: eg: if policy reports something like: Candidate: 7.4-1ubuntu2.1               then:   sudo apt-get install libpcre3=7.4-1ubuntu2.1
[16:25] <Kyran> ok thanks
[16:26] <Kyran> and lets reboot again
[16:27] <BluesKaj> bobbob1016_, dunno much about nautilus or gnome ingeneral , but I prefer konq as my file manager, not dolphin
[16:27] <failers> what is kubuntus texteditor called i only know ubuntus "gedit" :o
[16:28] <bobbob1016_> BluesKaj, Either way, I want to keep kde out of my gnome and vice versa
[16:28] <bobbob1016_> failers, kate if memory serves
[16:28] <failers> oki
[16:28] <failers> yap it was kate
[16:28] <failers> thx
[16:29] <genii> I fail to understand this fascination with rebooting.
[16:30] <blahjake> s/he may still be in recovery from windows
[16:30] <sigma_za> where is the proper weather plasmoid for kde4.2? the current lcd one really doesnt work properly
[16:31] <genii> blahjake: Yes, true. Reconditioning takes a while ;)
[16:31] <failers> rebooting makes me feel relieved
[16:31] <failers> :)
[16:32] <failers> exept this time kubuntu froze when i pressed reboot :o
[16:33] <noaXess> is openoffice.org v3 anywhere in the repos?
[16:33] <noaXess> !info openoffice
[16:33] <noaXess> !info openoffice.org
[16:34] <Kyran> genii there's two versions of libpcre3 availlable
[16:34] <Kyran> the first one in the normal repos, which is installed
[16:34] <Kyran> a newer version in the experimental repo
[16:34] <KDesk> hi, I have an ipod and I want to transfer music in AAC to it. Before I had used m4a, but I think AAC may be better. But when I try to transfer them, Amarok says that the media doesn't support the tracks. What can I do?
[16:34] <Kyran> which causes the error
[16:34] <KDesk> noaXess: You can get oo.o 3 from a PPA repo.
[16:34] <Kyran> "unable to fetch ... libpcre3 ... file size mismatch"
[16:35] <cbwcjw> noaXess: On the time of intrepids release, openoffice.org v3 was considered expiremental. Therefore, they have kept it in an experimental repo until version 9.04.
[16:36] <noaXess> KDesk: ok
[16:36] <KDesk> noaXess: https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive/ppa
[16:36] <genii> Kyran: OK. It may be the specific file is currently being worked on by the devs or so. Another alternative is to use web browser to navigate to the repo, download the file manually, and use dpkg to instaqll it
[16:36] <noaXess> KDesk: ok..
[16:37] <niteye> whats the difference between the kubuntu DVD and the Live CD?
[16:38] <KDesk> niteye: the DVD has what the cd has, and many more packages.
[16:38] <Kyran> genii how can I see that the package is being worked on?
[16:39] <genii> Kyran: Offhand I'm not sure there is a direct way. Other than maybe check creation times on the file if you see a listing in the web browser of the directory it is in
[16:41]  * bizkit is back.
[16:41] <Kyran> I can't find the package in the directory listing
[16:41] <Kyran> ah
[16:41] <Kyran> got it
[16:42] <genii> Kyran: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/   is the dir
[16:43] <Kyran> yeah, found it
[16:43] <Kyran> I was looking in l
[16:43] <genii> Kyran: Heh, me too at first
[16:43] <Kyran> so installing that is dpkg -install blabla.deb ?
[16:44] <genii> Kyran: At any rate, you can try manual d/l of whichever version is for your architecture, then: sudo dpkg -i yadda.deb
[16:44] <motoplux> hi
[16:44] <joeslugg> Ahoy! - I updated to 4.2 and am using KWin effects, but app. switch (alt-tab) effects aren't working. Any hints?
[16:44] <ryxxed> for apt-build what architecture should i select, i have an athlon 64 x2
[16:44] <Kyran> genii thanks for the help, I'll give that a shot
[16:44] <failers> OPS i removed my only "start menu" panel
[16:44] <ryxxed> i'm not really, there's a multiple athlon choices there
[16:45] <failers> :D how do i get it back
[16:45] <genii> Kyran: np
[16:45] <cbwcjw> Earlier on, I had a choice between GDM and KDM for a login manager. I now want KDM to manage my login screen. How do I change this?
[16:45] <mooperd> Hi, Im trying to use skype but Im getting an error message
[16:45] <ryxxed> does anyone know?
[16:45] <alberto> hola a todos
[16:45] <mooperd> "Problem with audo capture"
[16:46] <SlimeyPete> ryxxed: what choices are you given?
[16:46] <Guest4819> alguien de habla ispana
[16:47] <Guest4819> por favor
[16:47] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[16:48] <KDesk> cbwcjw: I don't remember very well, but you can try with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[16:48] <ryxxed> slimeypete : athlon64 and athlon64-sse3
[16:48] <ryxxed> i know it's not athlonfx
[16:48] <failers> how do i move my newly created panel its in top of the screen and i want it on the bottom
[16:48] <SlimeyPete> athlon64-sse3 will make the best use of your processor, I think.
[16:49] <peepp> moin
[16:49] <ryxxed> i can always just edit it in the conf
[16:49] <peepp> jemand online
[16:49] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Thanks!
[16:49] <KDesk> cbwcjw: did it work?
[16:50] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Yea, it opend that config screen with the choice. Ill log in/out and tell you
[16:50] <KDesk> ok :)
[16:50] <mooperd> Hi, Im trying to use skype but Im getting an error message "Problem with audo capture" when I try to make a call
[16:51]  * bizkit is away: Gone away for now
[16:52] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Nope :( didnt work
[16:53] <mkulke> hello, i installed kontact from the kde 4.2 repos, and kontact is always fullscreen, anyone knows what i can do about this?
[16:53]  * bizkit is back.
[16:54] <KDesk> cbwcjw: let's see, you can also edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and change the line from /usr/bin/gdm to /usr/bin/kdm
[16:55] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Ill do that now :D
[16:55] <KDesk> cbwcjw: and you can also remove gdm, then I think it will use kdm.
[16:55] <KDesk> cbwcjw: ah, did you restarted X? with Alt+D in GDM?
[16:56] <KDesk> cbwcjw:  or CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE, then it should switch to kdm
[16:56] <cbwcjw> Hooray for killing X, ill just do that.
[16:57] <BluesKaj> mkulke, right click at the top by the titlebar , choose configure window behaviour/window specific, kmail will be in the list ,choose it , modify,then go from there
[16:57] <thinkgnu> is this true ? ""Pre-release updates in Adept ->Software Sources"" == ""Proposed updates in synaptic->Software Sources""
[16:58] <mkulke> BluesKaj: which titelbar?
[16:58] <mkulke> titlebar
[16:58] <cbwcjw> KDesk: DIdnt work, so what was the file that I needed to edit
[16:59] <BluesKaj> thinkgnu , synaptic and adept are synched
[16:59] <KDesk> cbwcjw:  /etc/X11/default-display-manager you can also remove gdm from you system
[16:59] <BluesKaj> click in the space at the top then , mkulke
[16:59] <thinkgnu> BluesKaj: i want to enable Proposed updates but i don't have synaptic
[16:59] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Well that didnt work
[16:59] <failers> haha god im exploding :P god damn kde's panel was hard to configure
[16:59] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Oh, one moment
[16:59] <failers> gnome ftw on that part
[16:59] <Tm_T> failers: less cursing son
[17:00] <cbwcjw> !language failers
[17:00] <cbwcjw> !language | failers
[17:00] <BluesKaj> thinkgnu, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[17:00] <thinkgnu> BluesKaj: but i don't want to install synaptic , i just want to do it from adept
[17:01] <thinkgnu> you mean they aren't equivalent ?
[17:01] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Thats... odd. KDM is the default already!??! Let me restart
[17:01] <BluesKaj> well, then sudo apt-get update , and the adept notifier should popup , thenclick on it
[17:01] <KDesk> cbwcjw: remove gdm :)
[17:02] <desu> thinkgnu: run adept, then click on the first icon on left (sources), click on "edit sources" and the third tab should give you what you need...
[17:03] <lovre> im trying to run python-pigment examples, getting black screen. What could be the problem, it uses opengl...
[17:03]  * bizkit is away: Gone away for now
[17:05] <cbwcjw> KDesk: Restarting worked, I now see the sleek KDM :)
[17:06] <KDesk> cbwcjw:  ah great!
[17:06] <cbwcjw> KDesk: I love KDE, but i dont understand, why use KHTML instead of something else, and why was webkit derived from KHTML
[17:08] <KDesk> cbwcjw: Yes, KDE is the best! Webkit was forked from Apple to use in safari, but know in Qt 4.4 webkit is part of it, and in the next release 4.5 it will be faster and better. Maybe in Jaunty konkeror will be compiled with webkit.
[17:09] <darth_chatri> just installed kde 4.2 on hardy. power manager does not have options for suspend/hibernate and network manager cannot do manual configuration
[17:09] <darth_chatri> are these missing features or do i have to install more packages?
[17:14] <Murchadh> Anyone use the Samsung NC10 with Kubuntu? I have also posted this in #kubuntu-offtopic where I would love to hear from anyone who has.
[17:14] <mooperd> hi, I installed esound to get skype working properly byt now I cant get the mixer window jobbie, all I can hear through the phones is the microphone input amplified many many times!
[17:14] <mooperd> hapl!
[17:15] <earle> skype's sound configuration for linux is bloody awful
[17:15] <mooperd> earle: tell me about it
[17:15] <mooperd> For some reason it broke out of the box
[17:16] <mooperd> and now I have no mixer ;'(
[17:19] <earle> on mine it presented a list of near-identical looking input and output devices without any explanation... eventually I gave up.
[17:20] <earle> and of course they don't provide a sound level tester on the linux version, you have to call that bloody test call number all the time.
[17:20] <earle> conclusion: they don't give a toss about linux users
[17:25] <KDesk> Which is the maximum size of the trash?
[17:25] <KDesk> ~4GB?
[17:27] <earle> Isn't that configurable somewhere?
[17:27] <lovre> KDesk: why would there be a maximum size?
[17:27] <earle> lovre: There is. I almost accidentally deleted my ~ yesterday (60GB) and it refused to accept it.
[17:28] <earle> s/almost (.*?) deleted/$1 move-to-trashed/
[17:28] <KDesk> lovre: In Dolphin I was trying to delete a file, but a message came saying: The trash has reached its maximum size! Cleanup the trash manually.
[17:28] <earle> Yep. that's what I got.
[17:28] <KDesk> And my trash is now 4.3GB
[17:29] <lovre> ah
[17:29] <lovre> hmm
[17:29] <failers> hm where is desktop folder located now the one in /home/desktop/ aint the right one :o
[17:29] <KDesk> jeje, it is like in real life.
[17:29] <lovre> ...    /home/Desktop -> mind the case sensitivity
[17:29] <lovre> failers: ^
[17:30] <failers> lovre i know but if i put some files in my home/Desktop/ it still doesnt appear on my "desktop"
[17:30] <lovre> failers: /home/user/Desktop tbh
[17:30] <failers> if you know what i mean
[17:30] <lovre> failers: put them in /home/username/Desktop
[17:30] <failers> ye i have
[17:30] <lovre> :o
[17:30] <lovre> failers: are you using kde4?
[17:30] <failers> ya
[17:30] <failers> 4.1
[17:31] <failers> recently installed kubuntu 8.10
[17:31] <lovre> failers: well, concept of desktop changed, you need to add a plasmoid called Folder View, and set it to show desktop folder
[17:31] <failers> Oo
[17:32] <failers> rocket science i see :P
[17:32] <lovre> failers: yes :
[17:32] <lovre> y:D
[17:32] <lovre> failers: its an improvement IMHO.
[17:32] <failers> well never used kde before until now so it is rocket science tho :P
[17:33] <lovre> failers: no more desktop mess
[17:33] <lovre> failers: kde rawks
[17:33] <sandGorgon> guys.. anybody know how to create the hand-drawn effect in Impress with lines, charts, tables, etc. ? sorry if its a bit OT.. but i really need it
[17:33] <jonah> hey guys having trouble turning on sharing in kde 4.2. in the settings menu on advanced there is nothing about sharing... how do i set up samba??
[17:33] <failers> lovre can you give me a more briefly explenation on how to add that thing plasmoid and folder view :P
[17:34] <jonah> also i keep getting the folder view widget appearing every boot up since upgradeing to kde 4.2 even though i remove every time before shutdown, it's back on reboot
[17:34] <lovre> failers:  phone, in a sec
[17:35] <failers> oki
[17:35] <Kyran> genii thanks again for all the tips
[17:35] <Aison> hello
[17:36] <Kyran> installing the downloaded package did the trick
[17:36] <Aison> everytime I terminate my kde, knotify crashes and kde hangs
[17:36] <genii> Kyran: Glad to be of service :)
[17:36] <Kyran> I've got kde 4.2 running now :)
[17:36] <Aison> I have to do CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to get into kdm and shutoff my machine
[17:36] <lovre> failers: click on the icon in the upper right corner, and click Add Widgets, or Unlock Widgets if they are locked first. In the list that shows up select Folder View, and click Add Widget. Now click on the widget that appeared on the desktop, and there will be a small setting icon by the side. Click it and enter /home/username/Desktop, if its not allready set up like that.
[17:36] <Aison> it was in kde3, no it's also in kde4
[17:37] <Kyran> I must say I'm impressed with 4.2
[17:37] <failers> ah ok lovre thx
[17:37] <Kyran> it's running extremely smooth on this 5 year old machine with integrated graphics card
[17:37] <Kyran> (I did do the kde-core install and manually installed the other apps I needed)
[17:39] <failers> :( kubuntu aint running especially smooth on my laptop
[17:40] <yafs> hi there, how do i change my graphics driver in kubuntu 8.10 because the xorg.conf is no longer in use and the option in the guibased systemmanagment is not there in 8.04 it was easy but at the moment i chat find it
[17:41] <Kyran> the performance of kde4 seems to greatly depend on your graphics card drivers
[17:41] <lovre> failers: np
[17:41] <failers> Kyran ok doubt its my graphic card's performance but driver could it be
[17:41] <lovre> i have a problem with archive tools, i cant find any that would integrate with dolphin.... :( any ideas how to fix this?
[17:44] <Kyran> failers is it an nvidia card?
[17:44] <failers> ye
[17:44] <failers> geforce 9600 gt
[17:44] <Kyran> join the club then, i've got the same in my laptop
[17:44] <failers> :D
[17:44] <Kyran> and it's not working good either
[17:44] <failers> have you tryed newest driver from nvidia?
[17:44] <failers> was about to do that now
[17:45] <Kyran> it's been a while since I updated that
[17:45] <failers> ok
[17:45] <Kyran> the last drivers I put on were an improvement
[17:45] <Kyran> so if you haven't, do install the latest drivers
[17:45] <failers> well i got 176 right now
[17:45] <Kyran> I found some blogposts on what xorg.conf options you could put to get better performance too
[17:46] <failers> ok
[17:46] <Kyran> I think my laptop runs 177
[17:49] <Aison> re
[17:49] <Aison> everytime I login to my kde4.2, there's this akonadi server starting
[17:49] <Aison> but I allways get some error hints, that there's a problem with dbus
[17:51] <Aison> so I guess the akonadi is not working
[17:51] <yafs> hi there, how do i change my graphics driver in kubuntu 8.10 because the xorg.conf is no longer in use and the option in the guibased systemmanagment is not there like in 8.04
[17:51] <yafs> and i only run vesa
[17:52] <kavurt> hi, I took the full backup of my 8.04 usin
[17:53] <kavurt> using "tar xvpfz"
[17:53] <failers> great i destroyed kde
[17:53] <failers> :P
[17:53] <failers> i installed 180 from nvidia now kde wont start up
[17:53] <kavurt> and then extracted it into the other disk partition in the same computer
[17:54] <koops> hello... got one question.. how do i change gdm for kdm?
[17:54] <kavurt> made necessary changes in menu.lst, but can't log on to system
[17:55] <kavurt> login window appears. but can't go further
[17:56] <kavurt> it seems , it doesn't accept my password in X
[17:56] <kavurt> or something else
[17:56] <kavurt> what should I do?
[17:56] <hellhound_> i am desperately trying to get my new install of 8.10 to boot into X after installing the restricted nvidia driver.  When I reboot after installing the driver it boots me into a command prompt.  If I type startx I get "(EE) No devices found" "Fatal server error: no screens found"  i have put my xorg file at http://pastebin.com/f620c5b4a and by log file at http://pastebin.com/f632b17af    can anyone PLEASE help?
[17:59] <Rajo> Guten Abend
[17:59] <kavurt> I took the full backup of my 8.04 using "tar xvpfz". and then extracted it into the other disk partition in the same computer. made necessary changes in menu.lst, but can't log on to system.login window appears. but can't go further. it seems , it doesn't accept my password in X. or something else. what should I do?
[18:00] <KDesk> Is possible to put a archive limit to akregator?
[18:02] <Muzer> How do I tell ALSA to use a specific sound card? I want it to use my external one, not my mobo's one. In fact, it would be best if it could use both at once, as the external one doesn't have front panel connectors...
[18:05] <TheFuzzball> How do I set up my Apple Keyboard with Kubuntu? It doesn't recognize the F* buttons.
[18:05] <XVampireX> So anyhow, KDE4.2 is installed and I feel that something changed since rc, it's good :D
[18:05] <Heliodor> nvidia 180 drivers did the trick for me
[18:05] <Heliodor> before that, yuuck
[18:06] <failers> Heliodor 180 destroyed it all for me now it kubuntu boots up into a cmd screen
[18:06] <failers> :P
[18:08] <Heliodor> failers: it did for me to.
[18:08] <WishingMaster> what is the address of the repository to install the latest kernel-<IP_ADDRESS> or later?
[18:08] <Heliodor> failers: then i upgraded to latest 2.6.11 kernel update
[18:09] <failers> how :o im new to linux and was about to reinstall it all completly since im stuck in that cmd :P
[18:09] <WishingMaster> does anyone know the repository for latest kernel?
[18:10] <alkerzor1> Hey guys, I know nothing about package maintenance and errors, what should I do about the following error I received upon trying to upgrade to KDE4.2 in intrepid?
[18:10] <alkerzor1> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-libs4+5_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa5_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/krdb_clearlibrarypath', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:11] <WishingMaster> alkerzor1, remove the package and install again
[18:12]  * bizkit is back.
[18:12] <bdgraue> i would say    sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-libs4+5_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa5_i386.deb
[18:12] <failers> Heliodor how did you upgrade the kernel
[18:12] <bdgraue> and after that again sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:12] <bizkit> im not really back
[18:12] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me with a silly kde 4 bug?
[18:12] <XVampireX> http://imagebin.ca/view/ScS_s6.html
[18:12] <WishingMaster> bdgraue, do u know the command to install the latest kernel?
[18:12] <XVampireX> The krunner
[18:13] <bdgraue> WishingMaster: no, sry
[18:13] <WishingMaster> hmmmm
[18:13] <XVampireX> That's one problem
[18:13] <WishingMaster> ok
[18:13] <XVampireX> The other one is that as you can see I didn't use the capturing application in KDE because prntscrn doesn't work >_<
[18:14] <Muzer> I found out how to give a device priority, but the changes to not appear to have come into effect. How can I make sure this happens?
[18:14] <jacobw-uk> hi there, regarding the kde 4.2 packages, is there a metapackage that installs the desktop?
[18:15] <jacobw-uk> like kubuntu-desktop or kde-desktop or something
[18:15] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, kubuntu-desktop
[18:15] <jacobw-uk> ok, wrong nick btw :p lol
[18:15] <mefisto__> Muzer: I can help you set default soundcard
[18:15] <WishingMaster> jacobw-uk, i am sorry for that
[18:15] <Muzer> mefisto__: Yeah, that's what I want
[18:16] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:16] <ubuntu_> hola?
[18:16] <mefisto__> first we find out the names of your soundcards: cat /proc/asound/modules
[18:16] <ubuntu_> oh
[18:16] <ubuntu_> hi
[18:17] <Muzer>  0 snd_hda_intel
[18:17] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:17] <Muzer>  1 saa7134_alsa
[18:17] <Muzer>  2 snd_cmipci
[18:17] <mefisto__> if you have 2, it should show 0 then name of the default, and 1 followed by the 2nd
[18:17] <Muzer> I want to use device 2
[18:17] <ubuntu_> hi
[18:17] <mefisto__> Muzer: ok now sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[18:18] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:18] <Muzer> mefisto__: I want to set what is currently device 2 to be default
[18:18] <ubuntu_> is someone out there?
[18:19] <mefisto__> Muzer: at the end of that file, add options saa7134_alsa index=0
[18:19] <mefisto__> Muzer: "options saa7134_alsa index=0"  on one line (no quotes)
[18:19] <ubuntu_> i need some help with the installation CD!!!
[18:19] <alkerzor1> hm, i just let synpatic decide what to do for me and marked those broken packages for reinstallation. Kubuntu's is like magic. Thanks for your helps guys!
[18:20] <mefisto__> Muzer: and on a new line: options snd_hda_intel index=1
[18:20] <Muzer> mefisto__: k, done
[18:20] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:20] <mefisto__> Muzer: then save, and reboot. that should do it. let me know
[18:20] <ubuntu_> can someone help me? please
[18:21] <Muzer> mefisto__: Is there an alternative to rebooting? Or do I really have to?
[18:21] <Muzer> like, a way to restart ALSA
[18:21] <Aison> I get this error when starting akonadi server
[18:21] <Aison> http://rafb.net/p/BGu0IA74.html
[18:21] <Aison> looks quite bad
[18:22] <mefisto__> Muzer: I don't know but someone else might. you need to reload those sound modules. there's probably a command to do that
[18:22] <ubuntu_> umm
[18:22] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: and here i get all excited because someone answered what i asked a couple of days ago :)
[18:22]  * bizkit is away: Gone away for now
[18:22] <ubuntu_> can someone help me with my problem with the installation XCD?
[18:23] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, what?
[18:23] <ubuntu_> CD*
[18:23] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, what did i do?
[18:23] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: you qouted my name when answering someone else :)  just a joke...
[18:24] <ubuntu_> the thing is that the CD is ok but when i try to install the kubuntu it get's an erro
[18:24] <ubuntu_> ...
[18:24] <WishingMaster> oh yeah i did, i am sorry
[18:24] <ubuntu_> ...
[18:24] <WishingMaster> well do you know the address of the repository for latest kernel?
[18:24] <failers> ubuntu_ what error?
[18:25] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, kernel-<IP_ADDRESS> or later?
[18:25] <nood> hi all
[18:25] <buckethead> Hey guys.. Is there a way with 4.2 to make popup notifications NOT pop an icon in the system tray?
[18:25] <ubuntu_> it just says is an error on the CD and maybe i should try to brund the CD with a lower burning speed
[18:26] <Heliodor> failers: Just do the normal ubuntu upgrade
[18:26] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: no, i'm still on 2.6.26 :)
[18:26] <Heliodor> failers: i had one time that it failed to start kdm, but i just had to login in the terminal, stop, it and run it again and it loaded correctly
[18:27] <mefisto__> Muzer: sudo modprobe -r <modulename> removes the module
[18:27] <failers> Heliodor hm ok
[18:27] <failers> tryed that but didnt start still
[18:27] <mefisto__> Muzer: and I think sudo modprobe <modulename> loads them again
[18:27] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, how would you go ahead to install the latest kernel?
[18:28] <Heliodor> failers: Hmm, have you tried reloading to default nvidia settings? I think the config settings has changed in 180 drivers
[18:28] <failers> well i just booted in recovery and did deconfx or what the command was called so now its running again atleast
[18:29] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: i use the repositories, but i supppose if you want the absolute latest you'd have to svn the source and configure build it yourself...
[18:29] <Muzer> mefisto__: It's in use
[18:29] <Heliodor> failers: sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-settings
[18:29] <failers> ok
[18:29] <ubuntu_> i'm getting confused by all this @.@
[18:29] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, thats what i am asking for,the repository address?
[18:30] <mefisto__> Muzer: try this: sudo alsa force-unload
[18:30] <mefisto__> Muzer: then try the modprobe commands again
[18:31] <JackWinter> WishingMaster: i don't know :)  maybe google is your friend
[18:31] <WishingMaster> JackWinter, yeah
[18:34] <failers> Heliodor i think its working now some way to check if 180 is installed corectly ?
[18:34] <mefisto__> Muzer: back in 5 min
[18:36] <Muzer> mefisto__: I think that worked, let me check
[18:36] <Muzer> yup
[18:36] <earle> Hey dudes. Anyone else using the 4.2 from Experimental, do you have any other themes available besides Oxygen?
[18:38] <earle> Ah, I've just had it pointed out to me that you can get new themes via Desktop Theme Details in System Settings.
[18:38]  * Muzer enjoys having surround sound and mic support at the same time
[18:41] <mefisto__> Muzer: ok, great!
[18:41]  * mefisto__ commits modprobe commands to memory
[18:41] <failers> Heliodor nope now it boots up to cmd screen again ..
[18:42] <Muzer> mefisto__: BTW, I think it would be easier to do this:
[18:43] <Muzer> sudo alsa force-reload
[18:43] <Muzer> that will just reload them all
[18:49] <blackboard> hi
[18:49] <blackboard> it's kinda embarassing, but I'm having some trouble with cp
[18:50] <mefisto__> Muzer: I don't think that would reload the modules, just restart alsa
[18:50] <BluesKaj> I have some apps frozen on the desktop and there is no way to close them, the open/close/move options are gone and I have to use the TTY to talk with you guys ...wondering abou the kill apps commands and what to do to refresh the desktop
[18:50] <numunumu> there
[18:51] <numunumu> anyway, I input the following command using tab-autocomplete, but it doesn't copy the file over:  cp WGS490.0912008F_WGS\ 490_1231572913676.bak 2008F/
[18:51] <numunumu> any suggestions?
[18:52] <WishingMaster> BluesKaj, do u know the address of the repository for installing latest kernel?
[18:52] <WishingMaster> kernel-<IP_ADDRESS> or later?
[18:53] <Muzer> mefisto__: No, it definitely reloads the modules
[18:53] <BluesKaj> WishingMaster, click on the url at the top of the page
[18:55] <BluesKaj> what's the kill all command in the shell again? ...desktop is frozen beyond help here.
[18:55] <lawi> Trying to update from apt-cacher but am getting the error: 500 Can't connect to ubuntu:80 (Bad hostname 'ubuntu')
[18:55] <lawi> @blueskaj killall
[18:56] <Muzer> BluesKaj: killall :0
[18:56] <Muzer> :)
[18:59] <BluesKaj> Muzer: I'm not kidding, I've never used the kill cmnd before , so what's the proper way to use it ?
[19:00] <mhall119> I have a vanilla Ubuntu 8.10 install, what's the easiest way to get KDE 4.2 on here?
[19:00] <mhall119> add the experimental ppa and install kubuntu-desktop?
[19:03] <athlon1> Hallo, I've been using kubuntu 8.04. I'm trying to migrate to 8.10, but I've many problems. Please, can you tell me if you have had many problems with kubuntu 8.10? Thanks
[19:06] <peepp> hi leute
[19:07] <peepp> ich brauche mal dringend eueren Rat
[19:07] <peepp> jemand da ?
[19:07] <p_quarles> !de | peepp
[19:08] <peepp> jup Thanks :D
[19:13] <numunumu> okay, I have this program in Java that is using RunTime to output cp commands to Linux
[19:13] <numunumu> but it doesn't work if the filename has a space in it
[19:13] <numunumu> I have replaced all the spaces with \ followed by a space in the program, but still doesn't work
[19:14] <numunumu> if I c/p the same command the program outputs it doesn't work, but if I type the same thing out manually, it does work
[19:14] <aboSamoor> I downloaded the packages of Kubuntu 4.2, but till now I have unmet dependencies. Here is the output trying to install http://paste.ubuntu.com/111823/. Thanks in advance :)
[19:14] <sebm> Hello! Can anyone tell me how can I find out what Kubuntu version is installed on my PC?
[19:14] <XVampireX> Is there anyone who could help me, I'm having problem with khotkeys I think
[19:15] <XVampireX> printscreen doesn't work especially and ctrl+a doesn't always work >_<
[19:15] <mehrab> hey
[19:17] <mefisto__> numunumu: how about quotes around the filename instead of \<space>
[19:18] <numunumu> does that work in the shell?
[19:18] <mefisto__> sebm: in konqueror, help > about KDE
[19:18] <mefisto__> numunumu: it does for most commands
[19:18] <mehrab> recently when I install a program I cannot find it in kickoff menu or even run it in terminal, and I have to reboot to be able to use it
[19:21] <mehrab> is there anyway to fix it?
[19:21] <numunumu> mefisto__: I'll give it a try
[19:24] <numunumu> mefisto__: now it's not moving anything
[19:24] <hellhound_> I am trying to setup dual monitors on my 8.10 installation.  I get an "x" cursor on the extra monitor not the normal cursor and no windows will move to it.  The other monitor runs fine.... can anyone help?  my xorg file is at http://pastebin.com/m4ecf473c
[19:24] <numunumu> doesn't seem to like the quotations
[19:24] <numunumu> mefisto__: the program output now looks like this:  cp "BMP600.S012008F_BMP 600_1231531062613.bak" 2008Fall/
[19:25] <failers> :| such hazzle it is to install make a kubuntu as it should
[19:26] <mefisto__> numunumu: cp should work with the quotes. how about single quotes? (can't remember what difference single and double quotes makes)
[19:26] <numunumu> I'll give it a try
[19:27] <Heliodor> failers: Sorry, i had to eat something so i was away.
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: Did you try to restart kdm?
[19:28] <failers> yes
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: And it still failed?
[19:28] <failers> yep
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: Sorry to hear that :-(
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: well atleast you tried.
[19:28] <Heliodor> failers: what graphics card do you have?
[19:28] <failers> 9600 gt
[19:29] <failers> geforce
[19:29] <aboSamoor> any idea why I still have unmet dependencies for KDE 4.2 ?
[19:29] <Heliodor> failers: Ah, perhaps that is why then. i have a 8800
[19:29] <numunumu> mefisto__: nope, doesn't work
[19:30] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: try changeing  to another repository mirror.
[19:30] <mefisto__> numunumu: you might try backticks (the tilde key) `like this`   see here: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=MContent&pageid=20
[19:30] <hellhound_> I am trying to setup dual monitors on my 8.10 installation.  I get an "x" cursor on the extra monitor not the normal cursor and no windows will move to it.  The other monitor runs fine.... can anyone help?  my xorg file is at http://pastebin.com/m4ecf473c
[19:30] <Heliodor> hellhound_: what graphics card?
[19:30] <failers> Heliodor well im reinstalling kubuntu now anyway since i havent done anything to it after my last install so version 176 will do for me until "ubuntu team" releases newer driver
[19:31] <Heliodor> failers: Ah, okay :)
[19:31] <Seren__> hi, I am on kubuntu intrepid experimental repository and kmail is kept back
[19:31] <Seren__> anyone knows why ?
[19:31] <Heliodor> failers: I think that itś nvidia that we have to wait for.
[19:31] <Heliodor> failers: they caused the slow-down-bug on kde
[19:31] <failers> ok
[19:32] <numunumu> mefisto__: according to that site, the tildes are used for something about saving ouput into "variable counts"
[19:32] <mefisto__> Seren__: does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade do it?
[19:33] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: I am just using the PPA published on the Kubuntu website there are not other choices !
[19:33] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Oh, yeah, you are right about that.
[19:33] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Thatś odd though....
[19:33] <Seren__> mefisto__: nope, apparently it conflicts with kmail-kde4 which is not installed
[19:34] <hellhound_> Heliodor: both are NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
[19:34] <mefisto__> Seren__: try removing kmail, then install it. I had the same problem with gwenview
[19:34] <subscious> hi there... i just installed kubuntu and accidantly switched to another theme and cant find the original anymore... where can i find it?
[19:34] <Seren__> mefisto__: good idea I try that
[19:35] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: did you take look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/111823/ ?
[19:37] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: try removing koffice-data-kde4
[19:37] <Heliodor> then try installing again
[19:37] <BluesKaj> dunno if anyone else has encountered this prob , but I think the new kernel update just fulmoxed kde 4.2 ..totally frozen , no text access to the konsole , ok in the TTY ..never seen it this bad before
[19:38] <BluesKaj> think I'll install gnome to rescue this mess
[19:38] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: I can not remove that package the same error "  kdebase-runtime: Depends: kde-icons-oxygen (>= 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa3) but it is not going to be installed"
[19:40] <Heliodor> force the remove
[19:40] <subscious> what is the command for opening a kubuntu terminal?
[19:41] <josh_> CONNECT DALNET
[19:42] <mefisto__> subscious: konsole
[19:43] <subscious> thanx
[19:43] <Syndrome> So is it normal for kubuntu to delete all my panel settings when I turn my computer off?
[19:44] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: apt-get -f remove is not working ! how can I track the problem any output or log to read ?
[19:44] <numunumu> now this is crazy.  the terminal is now telling me that there is a file in a folder, while Dolphin says that there isn't.  it is not a hidden file
[19:44] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: You can try aptitude, it is better to solve problems.
[19:44] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: sudo aptitude remove packagename
[19:45] <ryxxed> aptitude removes dependancies
[19:45] <ryxxed> you could remove a dependancy for a different package, why would you do that?
[19:47] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: different message http://paste.ubuntu.com/111832/ I will say Y
[19:47] <redmage123> Hello all.
[19:48] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: that should work yes
[19:48] <spectral> BluesKaj: just wanted to let you know. the problems i had with ipv6 is because in jaunty it seems that ipv6 is now in the kernel, rather than a module.. and by switching to a proper dns - opendns (my ISP's DNS looks totally b0rked) it now works as it should..
[19:49] <subscious> can i start the monitor and display setup from konsole?
[19:50] <redmage123> Anybody on the channel have any expertise setting up a network installation usinjg PXEBoot?
[19:50] <numunumu> mefisto__: thanks for your help, it turns out it was automatically making the files hidden for some reason; however, though it now works manually, it still doesn't work in my program
[19:51] <numunumu> mefisto__: does quotation marks need bash to interpret them?  because I hear Java's RunTime commands aren't interpreted by the shell
[19:52] <mefisto__> numunumu: yes, the quotes thing applies to bash, but not necessarily everything else
[19:52] <mefisto__> subscious: you mean the gui display settings?
[19:53] <bobbob1016> Does anyone know how to get let compiz draw the backgrounds in kde 4.2?  So I can have multiple/transparent backgrounds?
[19:53] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Did it work?
[19:53] <wolv3> how solve the kubuntu problem with WIFI with password?
[19:54] <numunumu> mefisto__: is there any way I can do filenames with spaces without needing bash's character interpretation?
[19:54] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: removing then installing that package brings many errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/111833/
[19:55] <mefisto__> numunumu: don't know. I guess it depends on what is interpreting the filenames and what rules/conventions that uses
[19:55] <numunumu> dang
[19:55] <subscious> mefisto__ yeah ... i am trying to set up my second monitor but it isnt working .... i think its because it cant save the xorg.conf file or sth
[19:55] <numunumu> thanks for your help
[19:56] <subscious> therefore i would start it from root console
[19:56] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Sheit, yeah that is a problem... :-(
[19:56] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: I have never been able to solve such a dependency problem before without a reinstall.
[19:56] <hpladds> anyone know how to enable window shading by clicking on the window title bar?
[19:56] <mefisto__> subscious: if it's KDE4: kcmshell4 display    and if it's KDE3, kcmshell display
[19:57] <mefisto__> subscious: maybe put "kdesudo" before that to use it with root access
[19:58] <subscious> mefisto__ where can i find all these konsole commands?
[19:58] <Seren__> aptitude seems much better at resolving dependencies
[19:58] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: did you figure the problem to the level you explain it to me ?
[19:59] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: Um, i dont understand, please explain.
[19:59] <mefisto__> subscious: kcmshell4 --list  will show you all the available modules. If you mean all shell commands, you can "man <commandname>" or "<commandname> --help"
[20:00] <aboSamoor> Heliodor: do you know what is the problem ? because till now I can not understand what is going on ?
[20:01] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: I am not exacly sure about what the problem is, i have had dependency problems before in ubuntu and debian but never acctually managed to solve them. Itś like, you solve one problem and by solving it you cause more problems. Something about package incompability and different repositories.
[20:02] <Heliodor> aboSamoor: example, i install a version from the standard repository and then some packages from a new one, then some old package depends on the old version but got replaced by a new version and then the problems just spin furhter.
[20:02] <mefisto__> subscious: for the built-in commands (the basic ones like cp mv cd etc) "help <commandname>"
[20:05] <alessandro_> qualcuno italiano?
[20:06] <rickest> !.it
[20:06] <alessandro_> grz
[20:06] <mefisto__> subscious: actually, cp mv etc have man pages of their own. try "help <commandname>" when there is no man page. typing "help" on its own will give you a list of commands that works with "help <commandname>"
[20:12] <cdavis> is there a keyboard shortcut to add a new note on the yellow notes widget?
[20:14] <Rikkiviisas> Hello. Could anyone help me figure out why adding memory has made my computer freeze after login?
[20:14] <mefisto__> cdavis: right-click the widget in the taskbar, configure shortcuts. there is none by default but you can set one
[20:15] <subscious> meifisto___ i am rather searching for a list of all program initialization commands
[20:16] <mefisto__> Rikkiviisas: might not be seated properly in the slot, or the new RAM may be incompatible with what you already had
[20:16] <Rikkiviisas> mefisto__: It's properly seated alright, I had to mend that before it would even boot.
[20:17] <perseid> When I start KDE the resolution is wrong, but as soon as I click Display in System Settings it snaps to the right resolution. This happens in both 4.1 and 4.2.
[20:18] <subscious> brb
[20:18] <Rikkiviisas> It freezes as soon as the plasma widgets start.
[20:18] <mefisto__> Rikkiviisas: have you tried running memtest from the grub boot menu?
[20:19] <cdavis> mefisto__: I can't find the notes widget in the task bar?
[20:20] <Rikkiviisas> mefisto__:I left it running. I'm now sitting in the university computer lab.
[20:20] <mefisto__> cdavis: is knotes running? how do you normally create a new note?
[20:21] <cdavis> mefisto__: I am a gnome person moving to kde so I have never created a note. The note on this new install says "Welcome to the Notes Plasmoid!"
[20:23] <Syndrome> So I'm switching back to XP
[20:23] <perseid> And the configuration panel for the desktop effects crashes KDE. Is this the nvidia driver or is KDe4 just this broken?
[20:24] <RobertLaptop> How stable is 4.2?  From reading it looks like 4.2 has all the pieces I need to finally replace out 3.5.  But if it isn't stable I would rather stay with 3.5 until it is.
[20:25] <Muzer> is there a way to see which udev rules files are loaded?
[20:25] <anton> I am running kde 4.2 for a week now and glad to say no issues at all
[20:26] <perseid> All of the issued I had in KDE 4.1 are still here in 4.2.
[20:26] <astromme> I tend to have very few issues, and the ones I do have are minor
[20:26] <perseid> *issues
[20:26] <mefisto__> cdavis: don't know. I can't even get the notes plasmoid to work at all. but you could try knotes
[20:26] <astromme> perseid: hmm, care to elaborate?
[20:27] <perseid> Changing desktop effects crashes KDE and the resolution is wrong at bootup, but when I open Display in System Settings to change it it snaps o the correct one.
[20:29] <mefisto__> RobertLaptop: I would say it depends on your hardware, especially graphics hardware. or rather the drivers used for you graphics hardware
[20:29] <mefisto__> *your
[20:31] <janka> hi
[20:31] <RobertLaptop> mefisto I use NVidia mostly.  I have noticed issues with 4.1 in both Nvidia and intel drivers.
[20:31] <perseid> What is the most stable NVidia driver?
[20:32] <janka> what can i use to fats
[20:32] <janka> what can i use to fats
[20:32] <janka> what can i use to fast font prewiev
[20:32] <janka> on kubuntu
[20:33] <RobertLaptop> But then again i have only used KDE4 with intel and nvidia drivers.
[20:35] <Heliodor> perseid: is there a stable nvidia driver? Then i want it :)
[20:36] <mefisto__> janka: kfontview
[20:36] <mefisto__> janka: don't know what you mean by "fast" so maybe that's not what you want
[20:39] <janka> thanks gimp helps me
[20:40] <mefisto__> RobertLaptop: it's not like ati is trouble-free either :)
[20:46] <perseid> It is apparently only the zoom effect that locks up when I go to configure it. Odd.
[20:47] <perseid> Haha. Some of these effects are eally tacky. :)
[20:50] <cdavis> Can anyone tell me where I might read abou the notes plasmoid that comes with kubuntu 8.10? I can't seem to find anything but some bug reports
[20:51] <RobertLaptop> mefiesto_ that is why I use Nvidia and intel.  Intel because it comes on everything on it works fine for basic use.  and Nvidia when I need better graphics.
[20:53] <RobertLaptop> So mefisto__ you have used 4.2 is it worth the upgrade and with Nvidia drivers will it likely run well?
[20:55] <mefisto__> RobertLaptop: it's definitely better than 4.1 but I have only used it with ati and an old laptop with intel video
[20:56] <olenz> Hello all, I'm using the KDE 4.2 backports on Kubuntu intrepid. I notice that the pager plasmoid on the desktop changes when I log out and in again. Has anyone seen this behaviour before?
[20:56] <olenz> I mean, it changes its size
[20:57] <RobertLaptop> Thanks mefisto__ but on those video cards it was pretty stable?
[20:57] <perseid> Hmm. The Global Hotkeys in Amarok aren't actually working outside the Amarok window.
[20:58] <mefisto__> olenz: does it have extra width? I mean extra space either side of the icon?
[20:58] <girevikmoto> does anybody here have experience with the the third party wireless router firmware "Tomato" ?
[20:59] <olenz> mefistor_: you mean empty space? Yes.
[20:59] <mefisto__> RobertLaptop: on the ati, yes. the old laptop with intel is underpowered and is very slow with everything so it's hard to say
[20:59] <mefisto__> olenz: I am using lancelot for my menu, and I see that sometimes. don't know why
[21:00] <perseid> It's as if some other program is intercepting the keys I want to use, but this is a fresh install.
[21:00] <mefisto__> perseid: amarok 2 ?
[21:01] <olenz> mefisto__: I wonder whether this is kubuntu specific, or KDE 4.2 in general
[21:01] <olenz> mefisto__: anyway, I have written a KDE bug report
[21:02] <ubuntu__> Hi people!
[21:02] <perseid> 1.4.
[21:03] <mefisto__> perseid: amarok 1.4 is actually a kde3 app, so kde4 global shortcuts probably override it
[21:03] <cdavis> in konqueror how do you change a single click to selec the entire url or goolge search field?
[21:03] <perseid> I thought 8.10 included 2.0...
[21:03] <girevikmoto> no one has experience with "Tomato" firmware for wireless routers?
[21:09] <markus_> exit
[21:09] <markus_> quit
[21:11] <perseid> How can I have Amarok 1.4 on 8.10?
[21:13] <legate> perseid: Isn't Amarok 1.4 the default for 8.10?
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah, sudo apt-get install amarok will give you amarok 1.4.10
[21:17] <mefisto__> cdavis: don't know about single click, but F6 selects the location bar
[21:18] <mefisto__> there's a repo for amarok 2 somewhere
[21:18] <perseid> I found it.
[21:19] <RobertLaptop> 4.0 was so not ready for release.  4.1 was bearly.  I am looking forward to 4.2 and I am so tempted to upgrade but I really wont someone to tell me that is is work pretty good on 8.10 with NVidia chip sets.
[21:20] <perseid> It is not working for me very well on a 7900GT.
[21:21] <RobertLaptop> perseid what issues are you having/
[21:22] <legate> RobertLaptop: I have a laptop with an Nvidia 8600 M GT and I have absolutely no problems.
[21:23] <perseid> Some desktop effects crash KDE when I go to configure them and the resolution is wrong until I go into the Display panel of System Settings,but flips back as soon as I go to the panel - I don't have to change the res.
[21:24] <girevikmoto> i'm running kubuntu 8.04 LTS... if i wanted to install KDE 4.2 for testing purpose in addition to the default KDE 3.5 what would i need to do?
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> girevikmoto: there aren't any KDE 4.2 packages available for Hardy
[21:27] <mefisto__> girevikmoto: you could install in virtualbox for testing
[21:28] <girevikmoto> install what... the latest build of 8.10 inside a VM ?
[21:28] <mefisto__> girevikmoto: yes. but it's not a real test of course, not testing how it would fare with your particular hardware
[21:29] <RobertLaptop> My understanding is you can't have 4.x and 3.x side by side likely you can with gnome and kde.
[21:29] <mefisto__> I've heard people say there is a kde3 ppa repo for intrepid
[21:30] <jimmy51_> bah.  2 hours of tyring to get 128 bit WEP working
[21:30] <RobertLaptop> from what I have seen 4.2 might finally be the version that keeps people like me off of 3.5
[21:30] <jimmy51_> windows xp associates in 10 seconds
[21:30] <jimmy51_> kubuntu.... never
[21:31] <jimmy51_> i think it doesn't like non broadcast ssid's
[21:31] <girevikmoto> thats what im thinking also Robert
[21:31] <delphine> bonsoir, good evening or good {{timezone}}
[21:31] <RobertLaptop> keeps=kicks
[21:31] <delphine> girevikmoto: I'll say that if I can debug that one thing that has been bothering me tonight
[21:31] <delphine> I just upgareded to interepid and KDE 4.2
[21:32] <delphine> *upgraded that was
[21:32] <delphine> anyway
[21:32] <delphine> Kate is acting up
[21:32] <delphine> and won't save files in my data folder (which is not in my /home
[21:32] <delphine> )
[21:32] <girevikmoto> jimmy: why use wep and not wpa2 ?
[21:32] <delphine> any idea why?
[21:33] <delphine> like, all other apps will save anything anywhere
[21:33] <delphine> but Kate just won't
[21:33] <jimmy51_> girevikmoto: because i'm the client... not the admin :)
[21:33] <RobertLaptop> Jummy51_ setup 128 bit WEP in 10 seconds.  Not sure why it didn't work for you.  Dephine does wpa2 work in networkmanager now?
[21:34]  * delphine hasn't installed KDE 4.2 on her laptop
[21:34] <delphine> and in any case, does not use network manager
[21:34] <delphine> wicd rocks
[21:35] <jimmy51_> !wicd
[21:46] <jimmy51_> ok
[21:46] <jimmy51_> it worked when i used key 4
[21:46] <jimmy51_> what's up with that
[21:49] <afief> Does kubuntu 9.04 Beta 3 ship with KDE 4.2(release candidate/svn) or 4.1?
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> afief: 9.04 alpha 3 shipped with KDE 4.2 RC1
[21:51] <starenka> 'alo! is there a kde4.2 repo for hardy? wanna give it a second chance ;)
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> starenka: sorry, there isn't a KDE 4.2 repo for hardy :(
[21:53] <afief> JontheEchidna, thanks
[21:53] <starenka> ok. thanks. another one will there be a kde 3.5x repo for jaunty? :))
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> you're welcoime
[21:53] <afief> JontheEchidna, any evaluation on how "stable" it is?(I know it's alpha, but I've been using alphas since 6.04/6)
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> afief: I've not had any major problems.
[21:54] <remmelt> I installed ubuntu 8.10. Thereafter I also installed the KDE desktop. However I cannot run it. But when booting I see the Kubuntu screen (blue-ish) and not the Ubuntu screen. How can I uninstall Kubuntu ??
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> except that the legacy nvidia drivers don't work with the new xorg so I pinned the old packages
[21:55] <afief> JontheEchidna, then I guess I'll be trying it out. one last thing: do the binary drivers(fglrx) work on it?
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> remmelt: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> afief: no clue
[21:55] <jason_> anyone have 64 bit flash working with konqueror and kde 4.2
[21:57] <afief> JontheEchidna, I am only able to find the alpha 2 release... could you point me to alpha 3?
[21:58] <Murchadh> How do I set Konqueror as default file manager in kubuntu 8.10? I used to use kcontrol but it has been done away with I think. No offence to dolphin users but konqueror is my window to the world as well as a local file manager.
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> afief: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> Murchadh: In the file association section you can set inode/directory to be associated with konqueror rather than dolphin
[21:59] <snikker> i've add new repository from ppa for digikam-experimental, i've added to gpg key, but synaptic always say that the packages are not authenticated...
[22:00] <afief> Murchadh, sorry I don't know the answer, but your description reminded me of this (disturbing) image: http://www.geekstir.com/img/windows.jpg
[22:01] <ubuntu_> Hey, Windows explorer isn't all that bad if all you want to do is LOOK at your files.
[22:02] <Murchadh> afief: I have been looking for that for a half hour. Thank you!
[22:03] <remmelt> I cannot see my original C-drive after the installation of Ubuntu. Any tips how to get it back ?
[22:04] <SplinterOfChaos> In my file manager, I see "Volume"(ntfs)". In others, I've seen "**GBs medium" or something like.
[22:04] <SplinterOfChaos> Err, that was to remmelt.
[22:04] <rickest> remmelt: can't boot to windows or can't see drive C while running kubuntu?
[22:05] <Murchadh> That is a scary image afief. Thanks JontheEchidna, that was it!
[22:05] <afief> Murchadh, funny that I found it in konqueror(gg:Windows window to the world comic)
[22:08] <SplinterOfChaos> Where can I find information about my copy of Kubuntu, including version, date of build, etc.?
[22:08] <SplinterOfChaos> Is there an "about" file on my computer?
[22:11] <fabiano> hellow
[22:11] <fabiano> oi
[22:11] <sumone> yooo!! wuz poppin!!
[22:11] <sumone> I be havin questinos
[22:11] <sumone> can ax open dis piece?
[22:12] <sumone> sum holla back!!
[22:12] <sumone> I gots to ax sumthin
[22:13] <SplinterOfChaos> Could you rephrase your question in propper English for maximum and universal understanding, sumone? (Not that I have the answer, though.)
[22:14] <SplinterOfChaos> Or, at least the English considered "propper", since there's no true "right" English.
[22:15] <sumone> ok
[22:16] <sumone> why flash 10 isn't working neither in firefox nor in konqueror?
[22:16] <sumone> I have installed in everyway possible
[22:17] <dhendu9411> does anyone in here use ktorrent?
[22:17] <girevikmoto> i use ktorrent
[22:17] <SplinterOfChaos> The general advice I've heard around the internet is there's no need for Flash 10 and it's a little incompatible with sites based on Flash 9.
[22:18] <SplinterOfChaos> But, I don't know why it wouldn't work; I think I have it too.
[22:18] <dhendu9411> is there a set of hotkeys to display the menu at the top of the app?  I made it disappear by accident
[22:18] <nicron> moin
[22:19] <girevikmoto> the bar with the "File" "View" and all that?
[22:19] <dhendu9411> yeah
[22:19] <tictric> CTRL-M
[22:19] <girevikmoto> yup
[22:19] <girevikmoto> ctrl-m
[22:19] <dhendu9411> ah... perfect
[22:19] <dhendu9411> thanks
[22:19] <sumone> damn
[22:20] <sumone> even youtube and myshittyspace?
[22:21] <SplinterOfChaos> Youtube and myspace can't afford to not work on all flashes. They probably have work-a-rounds.
[22:22] <sumone> so it's not working
[22:25] <SplinterOfChaos> Summone: Looks like you're not the only one who's had problems: http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2008/08/flash-player-10-linux-release-candidate-now-available/
[22:25] <SplinterOfChaos> Read the 3 responces.
[22:26] <ibeekman> is there an easy way to look up the ip address of a host without parsing ping or tracert?
[22:28] <zmitya> hi all
[22:28] <zmitya> I have recorded a few seconds about my desktop with video record... it created a cps file... how can I play it back ?
[22:30] <sumone> so, why isn't working then?
[22:34] <giovanni> aiò
[22:34] <blahjake> ibeekman: local or remote?
[22:34] <snikker> i've add new repository from ppa for digikam-experimental, i've added the gpg key, but synaptic always say that the packages are not authenticated...
[22:35] <ibeekman> remote
[22:36] <blahjake> host
[22:36] <Danu> Hi. Where can i see the version of KDE that i have?
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> Danu: in any application go to help -> about kde
[22:37] <blahjake> ibeekman: to cut out the mail related stuff, host -t a <host>
[22:38] <Danu> Thanks Mr. JontheEchidna. it says : Versión 4.2.00 (KDE 4.2.0) , i guess that is the las one, right?
[22:38] <Danu> last*
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> Danu: yes
[22:38] <sumone> anybody flash?
[22:39] <ssj4Gogeta> !flash
[22:40] <Socket> !digikam
[22:40] <ibeekman> I just want the ip address nothing else
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> !info digikam
[22:40] <ibeekman> I'm looking at dig and named now
[22:41] <ibeekman> sudo apt-get auto-remove
[22:41] <p_quarles> ibeekman: just the host command
[22:41] <ibeekman> haha oops
[22:41] <p_quarles> ibeekman: host www.google.com
[22:41] <blahjake> ibeekman: sorry i wasn't clear, meant the command
[22:41] <snikker> JontheEchidna: i've installed digikam from ppa
[22:41] <ibeekman> rigth but it gives me all the aliases which makes parsing difficult
[22:42] <blahjake> ibeekman: do you intend to handle the undefined condition?
[22:42] <blahjake> ibeekman: if not, just: host -t a <host> | head -n 1
[22:42] <ibeekman> I am writting a script which checks if I am connected through a certain vpn host by parsing trace -n and looking for the ip address
[22:43] <blahjake> ibeekman: so you expect a particular ip then?
[22:44] <ibeekman> right but there are multiple machines or interfaces aliased to the host name/domain name
[22:45] <ibeekman> so I want to look up the ip addresses of vpn.princeton.edu
[22:45] <ibeekman> and compare the ip address from route -n to it
[22:47] <blahjake> ibeekman: so you want to extract a single ip for vpn.princeton.edu, is that correct?
[22:48] <blahjake> ibeekman: host -t a vpn.princeton.edu | grep 'has address'
[22:49] <ibeekman> yeah thats probably what its going to come down to.  Gonna use sed to strip the ip of the other text.
[22:49] <g_> Hey every so often randomly my laptop with crash using the latest kubuntu intrepid, it will lockup completely with no way of fixing it other than a hard reboot and the caps lock will flash
[22:50] <blahjake> ibeekman: host -t a vpn.princeton.edu | grep 'has address' | awk -F'address ' '{ print $2; }'
[22:50] <joshuajtl> hi, can anyone tell me where I can download kubuntu live with kde 4.2 ?
[22:50] <joshuajtl> I've read other people have it
[22:50] <ibeekman> I'm just worried that I may be connected to a certain machine and when I do host -t a vpn.princeton.edu it will return (possibly) a different machines ip address
[22:51] <ibeekman> joshuajtl: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[22:51] <mefisto__> joshuajtl: you need kubuntu intrepid 8.10, then upgrade to kde 4.2 as per the link in topc
[22:51] <blahjake> ibeekman: as long as your dns server is the same it should be ok
[22:51] <mefisto__> *topic
[22:52] <blahjake> ibeekman: some domains have multiple ips though, like google.com
[22:53] <joshuajtl> mefisto is that possible with the live version?
[22:53] <ibeekman> right so when i connect with vpn it will route me to a specific ip, and as far as i can tell theres no gaurantee that when i look up the domain name again it will be the same ip
[22:53] <joshuajtl> mefisto__:
[22:53] <ssj4Gogeta> !ibeekman
[22:53] <ssj4Gogeta> :P
[22:53] <ibeekman> so is there a way to find all of them
[22:53] <mefisto__> joshuajtl: I don't think so
[22:53] <joshuajtl> hmm, is there a version of jaunty available yet?
[22:53] <blahjake> ibeekman: true, in fact it just changed
[22:54] <ibeekman> yeah so thats the issue.  because route -n gives me an ip address which is not gauranteed to be the same if I am connected to the vpn as when we look it up
[22:55] <joshuajtl> anyone know if a version of jaunty iso with kde 4.2 is available for download?
[22:55] <mefisto__> joshuajtl: similar for jaunty. you have to upgrade to kde 4.2, but for jaunty it will be in official repos
[22:55] <joshuajtl> i  want to try 4.2 live before installing it
[22:55] <blahjake> ibeekman: from here, it appears to be swapping aliases between two machines
[22:56] <blahjake> ibeekman: try using vpn1.princeton.edu or vpn2.princeton.edu instead?
[22:56] <mefisto__> joshuajtl: you might be able to upgrade the running livecd to 4.2 but I don't know how much RAM would be needed to do that
[22:57] <ibeekman> yeah i geuss I could just always vpn to the same machine
[22:57] <ibeekman> hold on i am looking into whois now
[22:58] <blahjake> whois, dig, and so on will all be very verbose with a lot of info you aren't interested in
[22:58] <joshuajtl> thx
[22:59] <ibeekman> ok well maybe i can create some cookies with my ip-up and ip down script which will tell me whether I am connected.
[22:59] <ibeekman> that may be a better route
[22:59] <ibeekman> (using ppp and pptp)
[23:00] <ibeekman> so where should i place these cookie files, how long do files stay in /tmp?
[23:01] <KDesk> In KDE 4.2 in the task manager plasmoid there is the option to group manualy, but how is that possible?
[23:01] <nielsslot> dragging the task using either ctrl or alt pressed, i'm not sure..
[23:02] <mefisto__> ibeekman: I think /tmp is emptied on boot
[23:02] <SSJ_GZ> KDesk: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3864
[23:02] <ibeekman> ok so that should be fine because *clearly* one cannot be connected while the machine is off
[23:03] <KDesk> SSJ_GZ: thank you for the link, I will read it :)
[23:03] <SSJ_GZ> np :)
[23:03] <ssj4Gogeta_> hi, the font in konsole when I start it is too small and i have to press ctrl+plus to increase the size everytime i start it. is there a way to set a default font size?
[23:03] <Adola> How can I "refresh" or"Dump" a resource?
[23:03] <Adola> Cannot open /dev/ttySHCF0: Device or resource busy
[23:03] <ibeekman> hmmm well I guess I'll see i think the scripts hung in ip-up.d are executed with privelages to modify /etc/ppp/ so I'll try doing it there first
[23:04] <ibeekman> thanks all for your help
[23:04] <ibeekman> I really appreciate it
[23:04] <roconnor> Is aptitude still the only package manager where you can mark packages as automatically installed?
[23:06] <ssj4Gogeta_> any help please? :)
[23:06] <Adola> Dump a resource?  anyone?
[23:07] <Adola> ssj4Gogeta_: Have you tried setting it in profiles?
[23:08] <ibeekman> ssj4Gogeta_: in the konsole menubar: settings>edit current profile
[23:08] <ibeekman> appearance tab
[23:08] <ibeekman> slider in the font box
[23:08] <ssj4Gogeta_> thank you Adola and ibeekman :)
[23:08] <Adola> No prob :P
[23:09] <Adola> Now, anyon eknow how to dump a resource?  Or however you would say it?
[23:09] <Adola> Cannot open /dev/ttySHCF0: Device or resource busy
[23:09] <ibeekman> np
[23:09] <rudolf> can someone help me?
[23:09] <Adola> roconnor: Adept does it too
[23:09] <rudolf> my keyrepitation is different
[23:10] <rudolf> mean key repeat
[23:10] <rudolf> hi ist jemand da?
[23:10] <Adola> rudolf: Kickoff>Settings
[23:11] <Adola> Hrm, nevermind, i can't find it eitehr
[23:11] <rudolf> Adola: have did it yet
[23:11] <rudolf> but it function only in view programs and not in all
[23:12] <rudolf> mean some
[23:12] <rudolf> for exmaple not in firefox
[23:12] <harjot> help in gambas plz
[23:13] <ssj4Gogeta_> Is there a way to add "run as sudo" to the right-click menu?
[23:13] <ssj4Gogeta_> I'm a new user
[23:14] <harjot> [newbie question] how do i get gambas to get the open file dialog when they click the 'open' button i created
[23:14] <rudolf> imo no chance
[23:14] <harjot> help
[23:14] <harjot> plz
[23:15] <harjot> [newbie question] how do i get gambas to get the open file dialog when they click the 'open' button i created
[23:15] <harjot> anybody???????????????????????/////
[23:15] <Adola> harjot: Gambas?
[23:15] <Adola> We will help if we know how.
[23:15] <harjot> yes adola
[23:15] <Adola> What is gambas?
[23:16] <harjot> basically a type of basic
[23:16] <harjot> BASIC creator
[23:16] <Adola> Then mabye you should ask in #gambas if there is that room
[23:16] <harjot> a bit like visual basic
[23:16] <Adola> Or in a code room.
[23:16] <Adola> #basic
[23:16] <harjot> nobody ever replies
[23:16] <Adola> Maybe, I don't know if there is anyone in there
[23:17] <harjot> these people stay on and dont say anything
[23:17] <Adola> I dont recommend you pester them, but, they will hellp eventually.
[23:17] <harjot> no other channel i know i could join
[23:17] <Adola> They may just not be there.
[23:17] <Adola> Besides, to help you, we would have to see your code
[23:17] <Adola> !pastebin
[23:18] <harjot> pastebin
[23:18] <harjot> ?
[23:18] <harjot> !pastebin
[23:19] <ssj4Gogeta_> Any answers to my question? Is there a way to add "run as sudo" to the right-click menu?
[23:19] <Adola> ssj4Gogeta_: Are you using Dolphin or Konq?
[23:19] <mefisto__> ssj4Gogeta_: what right-click menu?
[23:20] <Adola> Because, with konq, you can "open terminal here" and do this "sudo ./<nameofexecutable>"
[23:25] <senorpedro> how can i create a deb package from a source tarball?
[23:27] <RobertLaptop> Since I had to rebuild my box today anyway from a HD crash I am going to find out just how stable 4.2 is right now.
[23:30] <mefisto__> senorpedro: checkinstall does that I believe
[23:32] <senorpedro> but it doesnt create 'real' packages....
[23:34] <harjot> PUBLIC SUB MovieBox1_MouseDown()
[23:34] <harjot> END
[23:34] <harjot> gambas help plz
[23:34] <harjot> [newbie question] how do i get gambas to get the open file dialog when they click the 'open' button i created
[23:37] <Ms_Hutch> i have two sound cards (on built in on motherboard) and I am trying to use the motherboards sound card for skype and all other sound with the other card... the other card is working fine and the speakers to the builtin card work but not the microphone.  can anyone help?
[23:40] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: the mic input doesn't work at all? or just in skype?
[23:41] <Ms_Hutch> mefisto__, i do not have another program to test the mic in
[23:44] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: have you set skype to use the card you want in options > sound devices > sound in ?
[23:45] <RobertLaptop> Man 4.2 is cool.
[23:45] <RobertLaptop> 4.2 is want I expected 4.0 to be.
[23:46] <Ms_Hutch> mefisto__, yes
[23:47] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: what about the mic input levels in kmix? is the mic muted maybe? turned up the slider?
[23:49] <Ms_Hutch> mefisto__, i have gone to kmix and had all channels show... all are turned up all the way and none are muted
[23:49] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: the mic will probably be in the input tab, called mic or capture or something like that, depending on your soundcard
[23:50] <Ms_Hutch> mefisto__, i just set all input sources to mic and still same issue
[23:52] <bryan_> hello all. after the computer updates. there is a command to restart bash(?) so, i dont have to totally reboot.
[23:55] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: maybe install a program that can record audio, so you can make sure the mic input is working
[23:56] <mefisto__> Ms_Hutch: eg audacity
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> bryan_- yeah, bash isn't what you're talking about
[23:57] <bryan_> Dragnslcr: yea i figured.. what is the name of the linux kernel?
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> bryan_- Linux
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> If you've updated the kernel, you'd have to reboot to load the new kernel
[23:58] <bryan_> Dragnslcr: it was a system update. and now it says it needs to reboot.
[23:58] <Dragnslcr> If you've just updated KDE or X Windows, you can log out and select "Restart X" from the menu on the login screen
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, probably a kernel update. There's no hurry to reboot, though. Programs should keep working without any problems
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> I still have to reboot from a kernel update a couple weeks ago
[23:59] <bryan_> Dragnslcr: yea, thats why i like linux. it doesnt force you to restart
[23:59] <the_hammer> hey all is there not a package manager called sysmatec or something for the new kubuntu?


[13:25] <czajkowski> .c
[14:37] <tdr112> hey czajkowski , how are things
[14:59] <czajkowski> tdr112: howdy doody
[14:59] <czajkowski> tdr112: good thanks yourself?
[14:59] <czajkowski> tdr112: coming to EMF camp this year
[15:33] <tdr112> czajkowski: yep plan on going, are we going to see you camping one of these days ?
[15:37] <czajkowski> me camp
[15:37] <czajkowski> nope not with my back
[15:37] <czajkowski> plus thats the hubbys weekend away doing this thing
[15:44] <tdr112> :)