[00:13] <olebarrera> I was looking for a bit of understanding using jscal
[00:14] <olebarrera> it seems I am not getting button events in my code and I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction
[00:16] <olebarrera> http://pastebin.com/xAWuAW88
[00:50] <olebarrera> no takers
[01:05] <olebarrera> never mind it seems lsub -v seemed to work
[01:09] <olebarrera> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/500834
[01:09] <olebarrera> ok it seems I have a work around
[01:10] <olebarrera> I use these joysticks all the time for things any suggestions on how to programatically make it work when its plugged in
[01:30] <Chipzz> olebarrera: I don't know what jscal is offhand, but it sounds like a web library
[01:30] <olebarrera> its just a tool to calibrate the joystick
[01:31] <Chipzz> olebarrera: there are no takers because a) if it is, that would be app development (not even), and that is very much off-topic here (cfr topic), and b) it's weekend, and all the devs are absent
[01:31] <olebarrera> well I was not so concerned with the calibration just why the events from the driver where not being seen
 thanks for the feedback
[01:34] <Chipzz> olebarrera: also a small suggestion: make it clearer what the question is about asap (ie in your first few sentences), so ppl know what you're talking about
[01:34] <Chipzz> I just read the first couple of sentences of what you typed
[01:34] <olebarrera> Its been a long time since I used IRC
[01:35] <olebarrera> I figure I would give it a shot cause I was stuck
[01:35] <Chipzz> the same could be said about RL conversations though
[01:35] <Chipzz> if you want ppls attention, draw it as quick as possible
[01:35] <olebarrera> Yes sir this is true,
[01:36] <Chipzz> no sir needed :)
[01:36] <olebarrera> Do you know much about the events provided by the driver
[01:37] <Chipzz> afraid not
[01:37] <olebarrera> joydev is the module loaded
[01:38] <olebarrera> well thanks for the feedback it seems I am getting output from the code after running lsub -v
[01:39] <Chipzz> you *could* try to ask on #ubuntu-kernel, although I'm not sure how on-topic it would be there
[01:39] <olebarrera> I will check with the kernel dev internal on monday see if they have a fix
[01:39] <Chipzz> but if you ask there, make sure to make it clear from the start joystick events are not getting through, and keep in mind it's weekend for the ppl there too
[01:41] <olebarrera> I will also read up on IRC comms again so as not to offend
[01:41] <Chipzz> offend.. heh :)
[01:41] <Chipzz> reading the channel topic before talking is always a good idea :)
[01:42] <Chipzz> but at least you're making an effort it looks ;)
[01:44] <olebarrera> thanks have a nice night
[01:44] <Chipzz> you too :)
[03:07] <micahg> cjohnston: when I'm done with my current project, shall I add you to the list of people who want to help maintain it?
[03:46] <wzssyqa> how to bump kernel abi?
[04:13] <goddard> how can I intergrate the ubuntu colors in a menu toolbar in qt?
[14:41] <cjohnston> micahg: sure
[17:05] <codemaniac> hello world
[17:05] <codemaniac> can i use a debian box as a ubuntu development platform ?
[17:06] <codemaniac> installing all the development toolbox in the mentined debian box ?
[17:34] <penguin42> codemaniac: Have a look at pbuilder
[18:14] <codemaniac> thanks penguin42
[21:13] <kalxas> hi all
[21:13] <kalxas> I am trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization#Advanced_Customizations for 12.04
[21:14] <kalxas> I have managed to change the live session user name as described
[21:14] <kalxas> but I fail to do so with the password and the background image
[21:14] <kalxas> I am working on this: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin/build_chroot.sh
[21:14] <kalxas> any ideas?
[22:19] <TheMuso> infinity: It used to be in main.
[22:19] <TheMuso> infinity: But was dropped due to no python 3 support at the time when Orca was switched to python 3.
[23:22] <scientes> whats the rules on python shebangs and python versions?
[23:23] <scientes> does something that only works with python2 have to use /usr/bin/python2 ?
[23:23] <scientes> (and can python 3 provide /usr/bin/python)


[12:26] <dieman> wheres the tip jar for networkmanager?
[12:26] <dieman> ;)
[12:27] <Lure> dieman: fix some bugs... ;-)
[12:28] <dieman> heh
[12:39] <Pygi> has anyone tried running knm?
[02:18] <BlueHeron> hi can somone help me i was told i have a memory leak in gam_server ?
[02:18] <BlueHeron> it is using 500MB of memoy
[03:19] <desrt> has benc gone awol?
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> when is it appropriate to start discussing dapper+1 goals?
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> on the ubuntu-devel@ list
[04:06] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: probably better to write a spec first, IMO
[04:06] <neuralis> bluefoxicy: if you have a spec written, anytime's fine.
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock, neuralis:  I don't have a spec ready.  I would rather gather more information, especially as I have nfc what I'm really doing at the moment ;)
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> Right now I'm trying to get pam_ldap to work with an openldap server (slapd) running behind me, just trying to get experience setting up centralized authentication
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> and it ain't working
[04:07] <bluefoxicy> and I'm at the same time thinking of the changes that would be needed to make ubuntu integrate well with ldap.. which I'd want to discuss on the list to get a better idea of before writing up a spec
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> at least, that's the short version of it
[04:08] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: maybe sounder would be better then
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> sounder?
[04:08] <LaserJock> the mailing list
[04:08] <LaserJock> it is for bouncing ideas around
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> uhh... direction?
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> should I subscribe or can i just throw a mail at some address?
[04:10] <neuralis> bluefoxicy: re: pam_ldap, see http://times.usefulinc.com/2005/09/25-ldap
[04:11] <neuralis> bluefoxicy: there's already a spec that covers this, but we deferred it to dapper+1.
[04:11] <bluefoxicy> neuralis:  ah.
[04:11] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder
[04:11] <neuralis> bluefoxicy: see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication
[04:12] <bluefoxicy> neuralis:  integration with users-admin and the installer et al?
[04:12] <neuralis> bluefoxicy: it's all in the spec.
[04:12] <neuralis> bluefoxicy: rather, look at the spec for details; i haven't looked at it since ubz.
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> nice
[05:00] <neuralis> 'evening, Burgundavia
[05:04] <Burgundavia> neuralis: salut
[05:07] <CarlK> apt-get install libxt-dev = unmet dependencies. - is this the place to report? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+package/libxt-dev
[05:07] <Burgundavia> CarlK: assuming you are looking at a flight6 default install, yes
[05:08] <CarlK> Burgundavia: how about yesterdays daily? ;)
[05:08] <Burgundavia> CarlK: that works
[05:09] <Amaranth> it's installed here
[05:13] <CarlK> Amaranth: did you add repos?
[05:13] <Amaranth> universe and multiverse
[05:16] <CarlK> oh... do I need deb-src?
[05:18] <Chipzz> CarlK: normally not,no
[05:30] <CarlK> !paste
[05:34] <CarlK> what am I missing? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11286
[05:44] <bddebian> CarlFK: Why do you have breezy and dapper repos mixed in your sources.list?
[05:44] <CarlK> oh crap... cuz I am an idiot?
[05:45] <bddebian> Nah, that's my job :-)
[05:47] <CarlK> and thatwould be what I was missing
[05:47] <CarlK> glad someone is doing there job :)
[05:50] <bddebian> Heh
[07:44] <Eleaf> hi!
[07:44] <Eleaf> hi
[07:47] <Eleaf> In the Ubuntu LiveCd (Dapper or any), where is the file stored that expresses the system hostname and default username?
[07:47] <Eleaf> I know hostname is /etc/hostname ... But what defines this?
[07:47] <Eleaf> On the actual livecd.
[07:56] <Eleaf> Any ideas?
[09:14] <Kamion> Eleaf: it's set in code in various scripts in /scripts/casper-bottom/ inside /install/initrd.gz (which is a gzipped cpio archive)
[09:14] <Kamion> Eleaf: probably easier to do 'apt-get source casper' and look at that
[09:14] <Eleaf> alright
[09:14] <Eleaf> hmm
[09:14] <Kamion> dapper differs from breezy here, we reorganised the live CD a fair bit
[09:14] <Eleaf> alright, is that for dapper?
[09:14] <Kamion> yes
[09:15] <Eleaf> I'm not seeing a scripts dir, is that in the base?
[09:15] <Kamion> have you unpacked /install/initrd.gz?
[09:15] <Eleaf> yes, I just get another initrd thing.
[09:15] <Eleaf> what is the best way to unpack it?
[09:16] <Kamion> make a temporary directory, cd into it, 'zcat /cdrom/install/initrd.gz | cpio -id'
[09:16] <Eleaf> great, one sec.
[09:16] <Kamion> like I say, 'apt-get source casper' is easier ...
[09:18] <Eleaf> Ok I'm in initrd
[09:18] <Kamion> if you want to modify it, you can build and install a modified casper .deb, then 'update-initramfs', and copy out the /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` you get
[09:18] <Kamion> (that's what we do in the live CD build process)
[09:19] <Eleaf> mmk
[09:19] <Eleaf> ah.
[09:19] <Eleaf> I think I got it
[09:20] <Eleaf> is it scripts/casper-bottom/18hostname for the hostname I'm assuming?
[09:21] <Kamion> yeah
[09:22] <Eleaf> Sweet, thank you very much.  Just curios, what corrilation does casper have to do with this?
[09:22] <Eleaf> curious*
[09:22] <Kamion> note that update-initramfs will clobber your existing initrd.img in /boot; you may want to keep a backup
[09:22] <Eleaf> correlation
[09:22] <Kamion> (the new one should work anyway, it's just over-the-top)
[09:22] <Eleaf> humm
[09:23] <Kamion> casper is the package that implements the live CD boot process
[09:23] <Eleaf> I see
[09:44] <TheMuso> Speaking of which, Kamion, what flags are used for building the squashfs filesystem?
[09:58] <Kamion> TheMuso: none, just mksquashfs
[09:59] <TheMuso> Ok thanks
[10:20] <glick> hello?
[10:20] <glick> anyone here?
[10:20] <sladen> there are always people here...
[10:20] <sladen> just that sometimes they maybe asleep and shouting might wake them up
[10:21] <glick> i have a question, there is a package, in ubuntu that no longer works, but it is never upgraded even though an upgrade exists, so effectively the package that comes with breezy is usless
[10:21] <neuralis> package name?
[10:21] <glick> gtk-gnutella
[10:22] <neuralis> i'm seeing 0.95.4-1 in breezy and 0.96.1-0 in dapper. looks normal. what specific problem are you having?
[10:23] <glick> neuralis: the .95x versions no longer connect to the network, they purposefully dont connect to the network anymore, when i run it, it says, this version of gnutella no longer works, please upgrade to .96x
[10:25] <neuralis> so you're saying you want 0.96 for breezy? you'll have to make a request to the backports people to provide a backport for you.
[10:25] <neuralis> otherwise, you'll have 0.96 in universe once you upgrade to dapper.
[10:26] <glick> i mean considering that the one that ships with breezy no longer works, having a working version would be nice
[10:26] <glick> c'mon no one should have to wait 4 months to have a working gnutella
[10:26] <glick> upgrade their entire os?
[10:26] <crimsun> there is no chance that 0.96.1 will be stuffed into breezy proper. breezy-backports is a possibility.
[10:26] <glick> cant it be offered as an upgrade?
[10:26] <Eleaf> you could compile it yourself or run a normal binary
[10:26] <neuralis> glick: we will not introduce a whole new software version as a breezy update.
[10:27] <neuralis> glick: ask for a backport, it's precisely what backports are for
[10:27] <glick> neuralis: but what ships is dead software
[10:27] <neuralis> glick: that's beside the point.
[10:27] <neuralis> glick: backports are meant to solve this kind of problem, so ask for one, or wait until dapper (which is out in about 2 months, not 4).
[10:27] <crimsun> glick: that is upstream's decision. There is technically nothing _broken_ with the version that ships in breezy proper. The viable recourse is breezy-backports, and there's a procedure for that.
[10:28] <glick> so how an i make a request for a backport?
[10:28] <neuralis> glick: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/wiki/index.php/Requesting_A_Backport
[10:30] <glick> looks like someone already filed a request for it
[10:31] <glick> a while ago
[10:32] <neuralis> glick: unfortunately, that's all that can be done at the moment.
[10:45] <shadeofgrey> are any ogf the main developers for yubuntu currently here and awake?
[10:45] <Lure> sladen: any new idea for bug 34592? I would really like this one to get away...
[10:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34592 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "dapper flight 5: install menu never comes" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34592
[10:45] <Pygi> shadeofgrey: what happened?
[10:45] <shadeofgrey> pygi:  well...  actually i just found out that i have like lewss than 6 months to live
[10:45] <shadeofgrey> and id like an opportunity to say thanks tio them directly before i die
[10:46] <shadeofgrey> if its noit too much troublke
[10:46] <Pygi> uh :-/
[10:46] <shadeofgrey> just...do me a favor
[10:46] <shadeofgrey> give some of them my email addfress
[10:46] <shadeofgrey><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:47] <Mithrandir> shadeofgrey: did you mean to say yubuntu or ubuntu?
[10:47] <sladen> Lure: yeah, my personal hunch is that it's to do with crappy Video BIOS, or IDE enumeration
[10:47] <shadeofgrey> ubuntu
[10:47] <Mithrandir> shadeofgrey: well, I'm here and a member of the core team.
[10:47] <Lure> sladen: it seems like infinite loop to me, as the fans are going on like mad...
[10:48] <Mithrandir> shadeofgrey: sounds quite bad. :-(
[10:48] <shadeofgrey> mith:  great...  can we speak in private for a minute?
[10:49] <sladen> Mithrandir: if you'd like to tell lots of people and have it recorded so that everyone can see if (regardless of whether they're currently awake), you could email the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which would be a wonderful testimonial to receive there
[10:49] <sladen> s/Mithrandir/shadeofgrey/
[10:50] <shadeofgrey> ah excellenty
[10:50] <shadeofgrey> ill send an email straight away
[10:54] <Lure> sladen: do you know which package is involved at that time of boot process (gfx-boot?) as I would like to inspect changelogs
[10:55] <Lure> between Flight4 and first daily build I spotted the problem 20060312
[10:58] <infinity> Lure: gfxboot and gfxboot-theme-ubuntu.
[10:59] <Lure> infinity: thanks - I have seen that only theme has changed between Feb 17 and Mar 12
[11:01] <infinity> Lure: Which would explain why the bug is already assigned to the theme.
[11:19] <mdke> hiya. sorry to be slightly off topic, but it's a sunday :) I'm trying to install gnome-doc-utils from cvs, and it is complaining about two missing m4 macros: glib-gettext.m4 and intltool.m4. Any idea if these come with ubuntu somewhere?
[11:20] <neuralis> mdke: they do. packages intltool and libglib2.0-dev
[11:21] <mdke> neuralis, lovely, i'll try that: thanks
[11:21] <neuralis> yep.
[11:22] <Kaloz> hmz
[11:23] <Kaloz> something is foobared in dapper, but no idea what package has the bug really
[11:23] <neuralis> what's the problem?
[11:24] <Kaloz> basically bringing up the wireless interface with wpa fails for the first time, as af_inet isn't loaded by default
[11:25] <Lure> sladen: you are probably right regarding VGA BIOS - all have ATI cards from x700/x800 line
[11:25] <Kaloz> so wpa_supplicant exits with an error. then dhclient is starting, af_inet gets loaded, and on the second try wpasupoplicant is runnig fine
[11:26] <neuralis> kaloz: sounds like a NM issue? i suggest you talk to pygi or _ion and see what they make of it.
[11:27] <Kaloz> okay, thanks :) I can simply use /etc/modules, but this isn't The Right Way (tm) to fix it
[11:27] <Lure> Kaloz: or siretart - he is the wpasupplicant guy
[11:29] <Kaloz> well, to be honest, i was wondering why the hell isn't this in the kernel statically :)
[11:31] <Lure> Kaloz: bug 37697 looks similar to your problem
[11:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37697 in wpasupplicant "wpasupplicant only authenticates immediately after atheros kernel modules freshly loaded." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37697
[11:33] <Kaloz> Lure: nope, that's a problem in the madwifi driver. I'm on centrino gear anyways :)
[11:44] <Lure> Kaloz: is it really af_inet or af_packet? see bug 37121
[11:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37121 in wpasupplicant "ifupdown script 0_wpasupplicant assumes CONFIG_PACKET=y" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37121
[11:46] <Kaloz> ah,l af_packet, right.. it's too early in the morning here
[11:47] <Lure> Kaloz: see also related bug 36634
[11:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36634 in wpasupplicant "fails to autostart using the if-preup.d script" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36634
[11:47] <Lure> siretart thinks it should be fixed with latest wpasupplicant...
[11:48] <stockholm> are there backports for newer wireless drivers to breezy available somewhere?
[11:48] <Kaloz> ah, the new version was uploaded yesterday night
[11:48] <stockholm> preferably packaged?
[11:50] <stockholm> mjg59: are you ubuntu's wireless driver person? are there backports of newer drivers (acx111 chipset) available?
[11:51] <mdke> stockholm, they come with the kernel, so I think it is unlikely
[11:52] <stockholm> yeah.
[11:53] <Burgundavia> stockholm, new versions do not get backported, except in one specific case (Mozilla Firefox, due to upstream boneheadedness)
[11:53] <infinity> 99% of problems people have with acx* drivers are usually issues with selecting the wrong firmware anyway.
[11:54] <mdke> yeah, i have one of those cards, such a pain
[11:54] <stockholm> infinity: i have a dlink G650+ here, which is rather new but can work with linux
[11:54] <mdke> ah, that's the one I have
[11:54] <infinity> stockholm: I suspect it will work fine with both the drivers in breezy and dapper, but needs a certain firmware image that either a) we don't ship, or b) we don't select by default for your PCI ID.
[11:54] <stockholm> mdke: ah, how did you get it to work?
[11:55] <mdke> it works with breezy, if you find the right firmware, I think.
[11:55] <infinity> If you could figure out what that was, we'd love a bug. :)
[11:55] <mdke> but i don't think it is shipped
[11:55] <infinity> (so we can match PCI ID to firmware, and make it Just Work)
[11:55] <stockholm> mdke: i have here a howto where you need to extract firmware from the windows drivers
[11:55] <stockholm> once the binary file was installed this card here got mighty hot
[11:56] <stockholm> so i am not 110% sure it is alife any more.
[11:56] <stockholm> is that "normal"?
[11:56] <mdke> i haven't used my card since hoary, but it worked ok then
[11:56] <infinity> It's normal if the firmware cranks the Tx/Rx power sky high...
[11:57] <infinity> Hopefully, this HOWTO isn't telling people to use AP firmware on desktop/laptop cards.
[11:57] <stockholm> infinity: well, i never saw that before.
[11:57] <infinity> (Since APs tend to have much better cooling solutions, and tend to have higher Tx levels)
[11:57] <stockholm> no, it seems to mix the firmware supplied with the windows driver with a linux wrapper/driver
[11:58] <enyc> Hrrrm.... ? where are UVF-exception requests made/listed ?
[11:58] <stockholm> mdke: horay seems old for this card... i thougt this model was rather new
[11:59] <mdke> stockholm, no, I don't think it's very new
[11:59] <stockholm> *shrug*
[11:59] <stockholm> i would like a precompiled package, but with the windows firmware that is unlikely i guess
[12:07] <stockholm> mdke: um, do you remember if you have a acx111 or acx100 chipset?
[12:08] <stockholm> the firmware i find here http://stef.tvk.rwth-aachen.de/~nazgul/debian/acx100/ only has firmware for acx100, not for 111
[12:10] <stockholm> i just had a kernel crash with the lastest kernel for breezy (security upgraded). is that a known problem?
[12:15] <stockholm> the system now crashes after max one minute after boot.
[12:15] <neuralis> crashes, as in, panics?
[12:15] <stockholm> neuralis: i dont see any oops, X covers it
[12:16] <stockholm> neuralis: crashes as in not responding to anything (or pings or so) except for hard reset
[12:16] <stockholm> mousepointer does not move, etc
[12:17] <stockholm> when was that newest kernel security upgrade released?
[12:17] <neuralis> if it's max one minute after boot, can you switch to a console and wait for it to freeze?
[12:17] <stockholm> yes, i guess i can
[12:24] <stockholm> it only crashed after i switched back to X. no luck.
[12:24] <infinity> stockholm: dapper ships (lots of) firmware for acx100 and acx111... See /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/acx/readme.txt
[12:24] <stockholm> and it is rather save to install drapper, since you are only polishing, right?
[12:25] <infinity> Pretty much, yeah.
[12:25] <neuralis> infinity: do you know why keyserver.ubuntu.com only syncs with 3 SKS peers?
[12:25] <infinity> You've lived on the edge with sid before, I'm sure, this isn't much different.
[12:25] <stockholm> cool, will try that, then
[12:25] <infinity> neuralis: No idea.
[12:25] <neuralis> infinity: that's elmo?
[12:25] <stockholm> infinity: it is a friend of mine, he usually lives not on any edge. (c:
[12:26] <stockholm> thanks for helping.
[12:26] <infinity> neuralis: Indeed.
[12:27] <neuralis> infinity: cool, i'll poke him. thanks.
[12:28] <iceman> hi everyone
[12:30] <iceman> I have a bug in dapper but I don't know in which component or package I have to report it
[12:30] <iceman> I'm trying to install a network printer (SMB)
[12:31] <Lure> iceman: you can report it w/o package on somebody from bug team will help
[12:31] <Lure> iceman: see #ubuntu-bugs
[12:31] <Lure> s/on/and/
[12:32] <iceman> Lure: thanks but it's easier for devellopers if I file it correctly rightaway ;-)
[12:34] <stockholm> infinity: what is the aptsources.list line for drapper?
[12:35] <TheMuso> stockholm: What component?
[12:35] <stockholm> TheMuso: i want to upgrade from breezy to drapper. the whole sytem
[12:35] <TheMuso> Just replace every instance of breezy with dapper in /etc/apt/sources.list.
[12:36] <neuralis> stockholm: $ sed -i s/breezy/dapper/ /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:36] <stockholm> neuralis: i tried that with drapper instead of dapper. (c:
[12:36] <stockholm> lol
[12:36] <stockholm> ok
[12:37] <stockholm> oh and by now it crashed again. not a fat chance that the update would go through in that time.
[12:38] <stockholm> no oops, either.
[12:38] <azeem> stockholm: is this a notebook and do you have laptop-support on?
[12:38] <stockholm> azeem: it is a notebook, yes
[12:38] <neuralis> stockholm: mvo has a very good dist-upgrade tool that i recommend you use instead, unless you're very comfortable with the command line and fixing any problems that might arise during a dist-upgrade.
[12:38] <azeem> stockholm: on battery or mains power?
[12:38] <stockholm> neuralis: i am quite compfortable with the commandline,yes
[12:38] <stockholm> azeem: main power
[12:38] <azeem> ok, nevermind then
[12:39] <stockholm> neuralis: i am used to fixing upgrade problems in debian, is it much differnet with ubuntu?
[12:39] <stockholm> harder, better problems? (c:
[12:39] <neuralis> stockholm: no, but the dist-upgrader tool can benefit from your testing.
[12:39] <neuralis> stockholm: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/dist-upgrader/
[12:40] <stockholm> neuralis: right, good poiont.
[12:40] <neuralis> on that note, i'm off to sleep. cheers, all.
[12:40] <stockholm> but not on this box, it crashed again just now.
[12:40] <stockholm> perhpas it is just dying. old one...
[12:40] <stockholm> good night
[12:41] <neuralis> stockholm: fyi, dist-upgrader instructions are here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014700.html
[12:45] <mdke> stockholm, acx111 was my card
[12:48] <iceman> Lure: It's quite bothering me: nobody's answering on ubuntu-bugs, and it doesn't feel right to report a bug without having searched if it wasn't already filed
[12:49] <Pygi> _ion: around?
[12:49] <mvo> stockholm: I'm on the phone right now, but can we talk about this in a bit?
[01:00] <mjg59> stockholm: Not really, and not as far as I know
[01:34] <giftnudel> mvo: is the update-manager from your site broken?
[01:38] <giftnudel> let'a
[01:38] <giftnudel> ah, let's say this differently, for me it's broken
[01:49] <mvo> giftnudel: broken in what way?
[01:50] <giftnudel> mvo: I click on dapper upgrade, upgrade again, it downloads something and get a index out of bounds exceptio
[01:50] <giftnudel> n
[01:52] <giftnudel> mvo: it says: Preparing installation, the error is in the downloaded dapper.tar.gz
[01:53] <mvo> giftnudel: what version of update-manager do you have installed?
[01:55] <giftnudel> mvo: 0.42.2ubuntu9~bp1 according to dpkg -s update-manager
[01:55] <ogra> ~bp1 ??
[01:57] <giftnudel> I added "deb htp://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/backports/update-manager /" to sources.list, according to the mail in ubuntu-announce
[01:57] <Pygi> Mithrandir: I wanna talk to you about LDAP, so when you have time ^_^
[02:01] <Ekushey> jdub: u there?
[02:02] <mvo> giftnudel: hm, that should be the right one. could you please run it from a terminal and paste the exception to a pastebin?
[02:02] <giftnudel> mvo: the exception comes in a dialog box, but I will do
[02:04] <giftnudel> mvo: http://pastebin.com/635668
[02:05] <ogra> mvo, you dont use the backports naming scheme ?
[02:05] <mvo> giftnudel: interessting, thanks. can you add your sources.list please
[02:05] <giftnudel> of course
[02:05] <ogra> (~breezy1 instead of ~bp1)
[02:05] <mvo> ogra: this is just a private repo for now, but I should change this when it goes into the official backports/updates repo
[02:05] <ogra> :)
[02:06] <mvo> giftnudel: it seems to be choking on one entry in it
[02:06] <ogra> mvo, btw OT, "realkauf" sells unicycles for 49
[02:06] <mvo> ogra: woooahhhh! get one ;)
[02:06] <mvo> ogra: so we can have fun together at the next conf :)
[02:06] <ogra> i was pondering ... dunno where a real is around here
[02:07] <giftnudel> mvo: http://pastebin.com/635692
[02:07] <mvo> ogra: are you interessted in learning it?
[02:07] <ogra> mvo, if time permits :) i'm not sure if i have *any* spare minute the next months :)
[02:08] <mvo> ogra: yes, a big problem :/ but I find it refreshing (for mind and body) to spend a bit of time on something else then ubuntu
[02:09] <ogra> mvo, yep, but my sparetime will be "help susus take over the empire and prepare the move to kassel" the next months, no idea how much time is left there
[02:10] <mvo> ogra: *ohhh* right
[02:10] <mvo> giftnudel: thanks!
[02:10] <ogra> but given that it wont break if its stored in the garage, i'll probably buy one :) i guess i wont get one this cheap usually
[02:11] <mvo> giftnudel: anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
[02:11] <giftnudel> mvo: I don't have that directory
[02:11] <mvo> ogra: no, they are usually more expensive. it will be great fun to bring on to the next conference :)
[02:11] <mvo> giftnudel: ok, thanks
[02:12] <ogra> mvo, given we dont have to fly to the northpole for it or something :)
[02:12] <ogra> who knows where it will be :)
[02:13] <mvo> so true :)
[02:20] <mvo> giftnudel: strange, locally it seems to be working. what is the output of /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release?
[02:22] <giftnudel> http://pastebin.com/635707
[02:22] <giftnudel> mvo: ^
[02:23] <mvo> giftnudel: looks fine too. very strange
[02:23] <giftnudel> mvo: let me reboot the system, there might be a problem with a recent update?
[02:24] <mvo> giftnudel: could you please file a bug against update-manager and assign it to me? include the three files? I don't have that much time today for it :/
[02:24] <giftnudel> ok, I'll do that
[02:24] <mvo> giftnudel: thanks
[02:25] <mvo> giftnudel: the error indicates that there is a problem with reading your sources.list, but testing it locally didn't caused a error here
[02:27] <giftnudel> mvo: ok, I will file the bug, a reboot didn't change anything (as expected ...)
[02:36] <giftnudel> mvo: bug 37716, anything in there you want?
[02:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37716 in update-manager "Dapper upgrade chokes on sources.list" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37716
[02:53] <stockholm> mvo: ping
[02:54] <stockholm> mvo: back from lunch
[02:54] <_ion> pygi: Pong
[02:54] <stockholm> indish.... goood
[02:54] <mvo> stockholm: I'm on the phone (again :), can we talk in ~5min?
[02:54] <Pygi> _ion: N-M was indirectly mentioned in Tux ^_^
[02:54] <stockholm> mvo: i am around for now
[02:54] <_ion> pygi: Tux?
[02:54] <Pygi> _ion: hm, LInux magazine? ^_^
[02:54] <_ion> Ok. :-)
[02:55] <stockholm> i look for an iso for dapper (i386). where are they?
[02:55] <TheMuso> stockholm: Suggest you try flight 6 which can be found at cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper
[02:56] <stockholm> TheMuso: thanks
[02:56] <Pygi> _ion: bah, gah ^_^
[02:58] <sladen> Lure: can you fix the bug report so that it reads  usplash/gfxboot/vgafb problem on ATI x700/x800  (you understand that the error is)
[03:00] <Lure> sladen: I can change the summary, however I still do not understand what the error is ;-)
[03:02] <sladen> Lure: I suspect it's because gfxboot is using 640x480 and/or not resetting the mode afterwards
[03:02] <Lure> sladen: "install hangs on ATI x700/x800" and leave it on gfxboot?
[03:03] <Lure> sladen: possible, but nothing beside the theme changed, so what could cause such regression?
[03:05] <sladen> Lure: so, an earlier gfxboot theme worked?
[03:06] <sladen> Lure: what happens if you follow the other questions on the bug report (eg, tell gfxboot to use text-mode)
[03:06] <Lure> sladen: Flight 4 works
[03:06] <Lure> and also 2 and 3 ;-)
[03:06] <TheMuso>
[03:07] <sladen> Lure: oh right "flight5/6 theme breaks ATI..."
[03:07] <Lure> sladen: no way to switch to text console, as it does not get that far
[03:07] <sladen> Lure: what bug number is it?
[03:07] <Lure> bug 34592
[03:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34592 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "flight 5&6: install hang on ATI x700/x800" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34592
[03:07] <sladen> Lure: so it might be the kernel---can you remind me of the bug number and I have a feeling there were a few suggestions to try
[03:08] <Lure> flight 4 has/had the issue that it installed only in text, due to unreleated bug  31974
[03:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31974 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "Kubuntu Dapper Flight 4 - Boot menu boots into a kernel panic" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31974
[03:09] <Lure> sladen: Kamion told me that it cannot be kernel, as it does not get started yet
[03:10] <Lure> funny is that in both bugs you have more or less same reporters (=HW)
[03:19] <sladen> Lure: that's what we'd expect.  It's only an issue with that particular hardware (eg. buggy hardware/firmware/BIOS)
[03:21] <Lure> sladen: true, but we changed something in theme that now triggers it (and did not in Flight < 5)
[03:26] <sladen> Lure: if you press Escape and then [enter]  ("yes, exit graphical mode and return to text mode"), and then press enter to boot the system, does that work?
[03:27] <Lure> sladen: with Flight 5/6 I do not get to menu at all - just kubuntu image on top and fans go to full
[03:28] <Lure> that was the issue on Flight4 (I am just doing install from F4 BTW)
[03:30] <Lure> I was thinking to build custom CD with only gfxboot-theme change with F4, but not sure if that is possible
[03:30] <sladen> Lure: so, pressing escape, enter, enter was a workaround for F4
[03:31] <sladen> Lure: but Flight5/6 just hang completely before the menu appears?
[03:31] <Lure> exactly
[03:32] <Lure> machine hangs as no key works, just power button
[03:32] <Lure> and it looks like a infinite loop as fans start to go full speed in couple of seconds
[03:33] <sladen> Lure: yes, using a rewritable CD you should be just able to overwrite the /isolinux directory
[03:33] <sladen> or wheve-ever it is
[03:34] <Lure> sladen: problem is that I do not have CD/RW at home
[03:35] <Lure> I will try one CD-R, but I expect it will work
[03:40] <tseng> Mithrandir: Kamion wow guys I am really impressed with Espresso in Flight 6
[03:41] <azeem> is mmapr available in dapper?  It seemed to be in xserver-xorg-core in breezy, but no more?
[03:43] <azeem> seems not
[03:45] <fabbione> azeem: mmapr?
[03:46] <azeem> http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Tifm21-howtodump
[03:46] <azeem> probably there is some other way to dump that information
[03:47] <fabbione> azeem: if it's missing from a package it's  a regression for breezy (assuming it's not deprecated upstream)
[03:48] <fabbione> azeem: could you please file a bug and assign it to me?
[03:48] <fabbione> i will look at it on monday
[03:50] <azeem> seems to be a case of random-binaries-not-makeing-the-switch-to-modular
[03:50] <azeem> like ioport as well
[03:50] <azeem> but ok
[03:51] <fabbione> azeem: sure.. if you find them just put the list somewhere and i will look at it
[03:51] <fabbione> unfortunatly our Contents files are broken
[03:51] <fabbione> and it takes time to figure the stuff out
[03:52] <azeem> well, it's debateably those should be in xorg I guess
[03:52] <fabbione> yeah but if they were there before, they can still land in some xutils-extra-crap
[03:52] <azeem> they look like some helper programs to figure out PCI information, but I doubt xorg support them officially
[03:52] <azeem> ok
[04:05] <ogra> oh, fabbione is around ...
[04:05] <ogra> fabbione, you dont happen to have a bzr branch with thew
[04:05] <sivang> re all
[04:06] <sivang> hey ogra , Fade
[04:06] <ogra> silo change to ltsp ?
[04:06] <sivang> oops
[04:06] <sivang> fabbione, even
[04:06] <bddebian> Heya ogra, sivang
[04:06] <bddebian> ogra: Do you happen to know if there is any website I can use to deposit to you?
[04:07] <ogra> bddebian, nope, i dont think so, the bank/account data should be correct now though
[04:07] <ogra> you 'll need to do a normal transfer i fear ...
[04:07] <fabbione> ogra: the what?
[04:07] <fabbione> ogra: i just added silo to the Depends:
[04:08] <fabbione> nothing more
[04:08] <ogra> ok
[04:08] <fabbione> it was only, as i wrote in the changelog, to make it installable
[04:08] <fabbione> and allow people to hack easily on it
[04:08] <bddebian> ogra: Damn, OK, thanks
[04:08] <ogra> its just that i missed to add it to my branch manually ... gets a bit tricky to merge the debian branches :) but i'll work around that
[04:08] <fabbione> ogra: just readd it in a commit?
[04:09] <fabbione> it's not like it is soooo complicate
[04:09] <ogra> fabbione, yep, thhats what i'm doing
[04:09] <fabbione> :)
[04:09] <fabbione> -> movie
[04:09] <fabbione> later
[04:09] <fabbione> (bye sivang)
[04:09] <ogra> its just that debian synced and made changes without the dep added :)
[04:10] <ogra> i'll merge the debian sparc enhancements in my devel branch btw
[04:10] <ogra> in case you want to look at it
[04:21] <fabbione> ogra: even if i wanted, i don't have time or desktop machines to look at
[04:21] <fabbione> ogra: i only have server hw here for sparc
[04:22] <ogra> oh, ok
[04:22] <ogra> but you know the sparc community better than me :)
[06:44] <j^> gstreamer-properties/gstreamer sound input is broken
[06:45] <ogra> WFM
[06:46] <j^> found the bug 34597
[06:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34597 in gst-plugins gstreamer-alsa "Cannot record using alsa + gstreamer framework" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34597
[06:48] <j^> ogra gst-launch-0.10 alsasrc ! flacenc ! filesink location=test.flac  works for you?
[06:49] <ogra> j^, also hier hoer ich das micro bis zum feedback pfeifen wenn ichs selecte
[06:49] <ogra> whoops
[06:49] <ogra> sorry for the german
[06:49] <j^> geht schon
[06:50] <ogra> heh
[06:50] <j^> just tested on 2 cards that load i810 and both do not work
[06:51] <ogra> it works on my ibook and my amd64 based acer laptop ...
[06:51] <crimsun> j^: pastebin ~/.asound*
[06:51] <j^> crimsun No such file or directory
[06:52] <crimsun> j^: default [fresh]  dapper install & current?
[06:55] <j^> crimsun up to date dapper, not a fresh install
[06:56] <crimsun> j^: no /etc/asound.conf, correct?
[06:57] <j^> crimsun nop
[06:57] <crimsun> j^: asoundconf list
[06:57] <crimsun> perhaps we should move this to #ubuntu+1
[06:57] <j^> asoundconf list
[06:57] <j^> Names of available sound cards:
[06:57] <j^> I82801CAICH3
[06:57] <j^> Modem
[06:57] <crimsun> ah
[06:57] <crimsun> yes, let's migrate this to #ubuntu+1
[07:04] <bddebian> Is katie down, slow, etc?
[07:06] <mjg59> Is it possible to add meta targets in Malone?
[07:08] <ogra> mjg59, meta targets `
[07:08] <ogra> ?
[07:11] <mjg59> ogra: Things that don't correspond to a real package
[07:12] <ogra> ah, like adding Provides to packages ?
[07:15] <mjg59> ogra: Sort, of, yeah. I'd like there to be a "suspend" thing that bugs can be filed against, before being reassigned to either the kernel or acpi-support or X or whatever
[07:15] <ogra> ah, cool idea !
[07:28] <wasabi> launchpad able to add enhancement bugs?
[07:28] <wasabi> Not finding a "bug type" thingy
[07:28] <mdke> wasabi, you have to do it after you file it, I think
[08:05] <wasabi> mvo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GAptI
[08:05] <Pygi> joy, Pan recoded in C++ instead of Python
[08:42] <Eleaf> hello
[08:51] <Pygi> KaiL: so many duplicate bugs :-/
[08:57] <soumyadip> is the Ubuntu wiki theme copyrighted or under any restrictions ? Can we use a similar theme for ubuntu-in.org ?
[08:58] <sivang> anybody has an idea if cdrecord can skip it's "last chance to quit" and waiting some seconds before startin a burn?
[09:01] <mvo> sivang: IIRC it is not without patching the source, but it is possible that the source is patched already. suse had (IIRC) patches for this
[09:01] <mvo> and it's pretty trivial anyway
[09:05] <sivang> mvo: you sure there is no cmd line arg for that? that sounds way too much fuss for something so simple in other programs :)
[09:06] <sivang> mvo: questions, who do I need to convince to have this patch applied to our cdrecord?
[09:06] <sivang> mvo: *question is,
[09:06] <wasabi> mvo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/apt-third-party
[09:06] <wasabi> in case you ever want to take a look at it.
[09:06] <wasabi> Or have time.;)
[09:07] <nictuku> or both
[09:07] <nictuku> :-)
[09:08] <mvo> sivang: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11328
[09:09] <mvo> wasabi: did you updated it :) ?
[09:10] <sivang> mvo: how did you have it so handy? :)
[09:10] <wasabi> Just rearranged stuff slightly.
[09:10] <wasabi> And made a spec.
[09:10] <mvo> sivang: apt-get source cdrecord :)
[09:11] <wasabi> going to try to get it done this time, though heh
[09:11] <wasabi> if life permits.
[09:11] <mvo> wasabi: nice! let's try to get it in for dapper+1
[09:11] <sivang> mvo: ah, nice. thing is, he says there that it breaks other things, you say that SUSE are using it successfuly ?
[09:12] <sivang> mvo: auch, this make me wanna wrap some of the libs inside the cdrtools for python :)
[09:12] <mvo> sivang: I was involved in a network frontend for cdreocrd some years ago and we patched it out too. I fail to see where it might cause problems
[09:13] <mvo> sivang: run away from that!
[09:14] <sivang> hehe, why ?? :)
[09:14] <wasabi> Need to figure out some way of extracting the information from a GPG key without adding it to a keyring
[09:14] <sivang> well, acutally, nautilus-cd-burner might provide this. still I check it's code and it uses cdrecord as well
[09:15] <sivang> mvo: okay, thanks, do you think I should bring this up to the TB meeting?
[09:17] <mvo> wasabi: what exactly do you mean? you can probably use gpg directly for this
[09:17] <wasabi> Yeah, trying to figure out the command options. The gpg key I pull out of hte .apt file, I need to get the name of it.
[09:17] <wasabi> And a list of signatures.
[09:18] <sivang> at least for testing HUB it will be better.
[09:42] <Mithrandir> Pygi: (re ldap) tomorrow?
[09:42] <Mithrandir> tseng: thanks. :-)
[09:50] <raphink> hi there
[09:50] <raphink> is there a reason why we keep a 10 weeks old svn version of cups instead of using rc1 which was released a few days ago?
[09:51] <raphink> I know we're in UVF, but shipping an svn when the rc is out is a bit stupid isn't it?
[09:51] <raphink> or is it just that we forgot to keep aware of CUPS devlopmt ?
[09:51] <tseng> raphink: ask pitti on a weekday
[09:51] <raphink> I guess I shall
[09:51] <tseng> raphink: w/o less accusation
[09:52] <raphink> he's not here currently
[09:52] <raphink> tseng: hehe ;)
[09:52] <raphink> tseng: i'm not accusing :)
[09:52] <raphink> we have been having issues with this svn version in Kubuntu
[09:52] <tseng> I am sure he is aware of CUPS development :)
[09:52] <raphink> hmm
[09:52] <raphink> well beta2 has been out
[09:52] <raphink> then rc
[09:52] <raphink> and we still have a random svn
[09:53] <Riddell> raphink: UVF is the exception, I think he's asking for an exception
[09:53] <raphink> ok
[09:54] <raphink> that's good
[09:54] <Riddell> raphink: http://www.cups.org/str.php?L1527
[09:54] <raphink> the longest it takes to get the exception, the less bugs will be fixed in it
[09:54] <Riddell> raphink: if you want to test a current svn to see if that last comment fixes the issues that would be great
[09:54] <raphink> fixing bugs in an obsolete svn is not so great
[09:54] <raphink> Riddell: it's RC1 out now
[09:54] <raphink> :)
[09:54] <Riddell> see comment at the bottom of that link, I don't know if that's in rc 1
[09:55] <sivang> raphink: I think he meant to do that anyway, but ask him indeed.
[09:56] <raphink> sivang: I'll wait for him to be online
[09:56] <raphink> sivang: the thing is that Riddell pinged a KDE dev about this issue with kdeprint not supporting cups 1.2
[09:56] <raphink> who said that implementing it on an svn basis in Ubuntu when rc1 is out has no real sense
[09:58] <tseng> you are accusing again
[09:59] <raphink> huh?
[09:59] <tseng> and inferring that you know better than the maintainer.
[09:59] <raphink> no
[09:59] <raphink> I'm reporting what a KDE dev said
[09:59] <tseng> mm, ok sorry
[09:59] <raphink> about a but we have with KDE and CUPS 1.2
[10:00] <raphink> tseng: I am in no way willing to accusate anyone, and I'm sorry if you understand it this way
[10:03] <sivang> tseng: we're jumpy doay aren't we :)
[10:03] <tseng> sivang: most days, I think.
[10:03] <sivang> tseng: hehe, low on that caffine ! :)
[10:05] <wasabi> There any GUI interface to add a key to apt-key which can be invoked from python?
[10:05] <wasabi> ie "Are you sure you want to trust Foo for software installs."
[10:07] <wasabi> I see the interface in Synaptic anyways.
[10:07] <wasabi> There a way to invoke that and only that?
[10:07] <wasabi> actually iy doesn't ask confirmation (it should)
[10:14] <mvo> wasabi: no, currently there is none, but it wouldn't be too hard to add one to gnome-software-properties
[10:15] <wasabi> Almost got gapti done already heh
[10:15] <wasabi> Simple pops up a dialog. Rest needs to be done thru synaptic, etc.
[10:25] <wasabi> gksudo doesn't really work very well for this. =/
[10:25] <wasabi> Cant' figure out how to pass command line options to it.
[10:26] <wasabi> nor send stdin
[10:28] <nictuku> I'm sure it is possible
[10:29] <nictuku> wasabi, if you need a hand, talk to kov which is the author of gksu(do)
[10:29] <Pygi> Mithrandir: sure, no problem at all ^_^ (re: ldap)
[10:31] <Pygi> Mithrandir: I'll ping you once I'm online tommorow
[10:52] <wasabi> mvo: I updated it now. It works. It needs cleanup. I am not a python wizard.
[10:52] <wasabi> But it does what's advertised.
[10:52] <wasabi> Feel free obviously to take a look. ;)
[10:57] <wasabi> mvo: I suspect something like this is going to want some "discussion" before it's added. The security considerations, etc. Also, if it's not promited as part of the platform, it's useless. What's the appropiate forum for that?
[11:00] <nictuku> wasabi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications may be helpful, I think
[11:59] <Kamion> sladen: I'm fairly sure that that gfxboot bug is an infinite loop in the theme code, judging from the symptoms
[12:00] <Kamion> I wasn't able to get time to look at it before Flight 6, but I'll try to put out some test images for people to try with suitable tracing code in them
[12:00] <sladen> Kamion: okay.  I haven't had a chance to look into it yet, I didn't realise theme code could have executable code... (I assumed it was just images and positions)
[12:00] <Kamion> Lure: will you be around at some point tomorrow or Tuesday to iterate through some tests with me? since I can't reproduce it myself, having somebody to teleoperate on a fairly short cycle would be good
[12:00] <Kamion> sladen: theme code is ALL executable code
[12:00] <Kamion> it's a postscript-like language
[12:01] <Kamion> and bloody hard to get right
[12:01] <sladen> ahhh...
[12:01] <Lure> Kamion: sure - during daytime I am at work (=harder), but evenings can be done
[12:01] <Kamion> could've been my addition of parsing for gfxboot-foreground and gfxboot-background
[12:01] <Lure> (I will also by some CD-RW media to be able to modify)
[12:02] <Kamion> Lure: what's your timezone?
[12:02] <Lure> UTC+2 currenlty (CET)


[00:10] <Noskcaj> knome, Has there been any progress on xubuntu t-shirts and (possibly) mugs?
[00:14] <Noskcaj> And can we add the idea of a t-shirt where we have just a small version of the logo on the breast pocket? Then we'll have something that doesn't scream "I AM THE ULTMATE FOSS NERD"
[00:15] <Noskcaj> Also, http://opentshirts.com/ looks like an interesting place to get the t-shirts
[00:16] <Noskcaj> (i don't really understand it though)
[00:19] <Noskcaj> It turns out http://www.zazzle.com.au/xubuntu+tshirts is already selling our stuff
[00:24] <brainwash> Noskcaj: hey, are you familiar with xfpm?
[00:25] <Noskcaj> brainwash, I don't remember what it stands for, if i did i might be
[00:25] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager
[00:25] <brainwash> :)
[00:27] <Noskcaj> Sort of
[00:27] <Noskcaj> Nothing code related though
[00:28] <brainwash> so xfce4-power-manager lacks the ability to inhibit systemd's lid-close and power-button actions and I just want to know, if it's worth to spend some time to implement this functionality for saucy (a patch seems to exists, but wasn't accepted upstream as of now)
[00:29] <brainwash> bug 1222021
[00:29] <brainwash> if no, I won't bother wasting my time
[00:29] <Unit193> brainwash: Another idea was to re-fork GPM and strip out all of Gnome.
[00:29] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Please do. That's been affecting me since may (when i upgraded to saucy). I've not been able to shut my lid since
[00:30] <Noskcaj> And it causes a heap of resume failure bugs too
[00:30] <brainwash> Noskcaj: there is an easy workaround, see last comment
[00:30] <brainwash> but it should work ootb
[00:31] <brainwash> and xfpm should be aware of systemd/logind, just like g-s-d
[00:31] <Noskcaj> It would be great if we could get a full support fix, but we should try to add the workaround to saucy and trusty ASAP
[00:32] <Unit193> brainwash: Oh, know of any resume issues needing me to  service network-manager restart  ?
[00:32] <Unit193> (Trusty is somewhat pre-dev.)
[00:32] <brainwash> yea......
[00:32] <Unit193> Not every time, but many. :P
[00:32] <brainwash> bug 1184262
[00:33] <brainwash> Unit193: is only nm affected? the session (logind) is still fine?
[00:33] <Unit193> xscreensaver
[00:33] <Unit193> Only noticed nm.
[00:34] <brainwash> that bug report is strange anyway, I am the only one confirming that logind is the (indirect) cause
[00:36] <brainwash> and it does happen on two complete different machines, not often, maybe like 20% chance it will stop working properly after a resume
[00:38] <Unit193> I'd say more often for me.  Want me to try and check to see if it's still "sleeping"?
[00:38] <brainwash> checking the gdbus object?
[00:38] <Unit193> Yep.
[00:38] <brainwash> sure
[00:40] <brainwash> however, if this is the case, you won't be able to suspend again, or hibernate, or restart,..
[00:40] <brainwash> and nobody confirmed this yet
[00:41] <brainwash> but it would explain, why nm is stuck in sleep state
[00:41] <brainwash> because logind is too
[00:45] <brainwash> "PreparingForSleep = true"
[00:46] <brainwash> I'll try to restart logind
[00:49] <brainwash> yeah, works
[00:49] <brainwash> "PreparingForSleep = false"
[00:53] <Unit193> brainwash: No, when this happens all I need to do is restart nm, I have no issues sleeping again, or at  least the computer doesn't.
[00:53] <brainwash> ok
[00:54] <brainwash> so it will remain a mystery
[00:55] <Unit193> Menu says Network is disabled or somesuch, I'll have to see if I can wake it with nmcli.
[00:55] <brainwash> right, nm is stuck in sleep mode
[00:56] <brainwash> nmcli should work to wake it up
[00:56] <Unit193> Yep, should.
[00:57] <brainwash> so far nobody has provided any useful information or hints
[00:58] <Unit193> Heh, nor can I. :D
[00:58] <brainwash> expect me, but nobody confirmed by observations, and you cannot either
[00:58] <Unit193> Nope, I faaaail. :P
[00:59] <brainwash> well, did you actually check the value of PreparingForSleep?
[00:59] <brainwash> or weren't you able yet
[01:00] <Unit193> Not able yet.
[01:03] <brainwash> hopefully it can be resolved soon, I'm getting kinda bored of this little annoyance :)
[08:47] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:09] <astraljava> Can anyone confirm the behaviour of Xfce4 Power Manager, in which it suspends a laptop when closing the lid, even when the setting tells it to just lock the screen?
[10:46] <brainwash> astraljava: bug 1222021
[11:21] <brainwash> looks like there is someone affected by the overlay scrollbar issue -> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8370
[11:22] <brainwash> but I don't feel like creating s forum account there
[11:22] <brainwash> bug 1239014
[11:29] <brainwash> oh, nevermind.. I already created an account some time ago
[11:29] <brainwash> ochosi: check this http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6919
[12:31] <olbi> hi guys
[12:31] <olbi> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator-fix.html
[12:32] <olbi> they write about fix :D
[13:17] <brainwash> now we need a fix for the bluetooth indicator, the printer applet, the message indicator also, and so on :P
[13:32] <ochosi> brainwash: i'm currently without internet mostly, will be until the mid/end of the week, so be patient and repeat your questions a bit later ;)
[14:07] <brainwash> ochosi: don't worry, my messages aren't _that_ important anyway :)
[14:09] <ochosi> brainwash: sure, but be sure to collect them somewhere
[14:21] <olbi> this isn't good when we have so many bugs in indicator :P
[14:21] <olbi> we should w8 with release :)
[14:24] <slickymaster> afternoon all
[16:32] <ali1234> brainwash: the bluetooth indicator is a different bug - it is broken in unity too
[16:32] <ali1234> the others don't exist in gtk2
[17:07] <brainwash> ali1234: right, so the bluetooth one is even broken in unity, well, haven't seen a single bug report about that yet
[17:09] <ali1234> because nobody uses blueman with unity
[17:09] <ali1234> the bug report is bug 1203888
[17:16] <brainwash> ok, guess I'll bookmark that one too
[17:32] <ali1234>    51.7GiB [##########]  startxfce4.log
[17:32] <ali1234> ok, i don't like this
[17:33] <Unit193> Erm, that's not good.
[17:34] <brainwash> how is that possible?
[17:34] <ali1234> a bug
[17:34] <ali1234> not a bug in ubuntu though
[17:34] <brainwash> something flooding the log with messages?
[17:34] <ali1234> yes
[17:35] <ali1234> i just deleted it and it is up to 13M again already
[17:35] <brainwash> it's eating your hard drive :)
[17:37] <Unit193> ln -s to /dev/null
[17:37] <Unit193> :P
[17:37] <ali1234> fixed it now
[23:02] <brainwash> is apport broken? since quite some time I am not able to upload reports


[06:27] <inetpro> Maaz: good morning
[06:27] <Maaz> Hello inetpro
[06:27] <inetpro> good morning everyone else
[10:26] <kbmonkey> middag
[10:27] <inetpro> hullo kbmonkey
[10:28] <kbmonkey> o/
[15:11] <Mezenir> howdy
[18:05] <Barcode> Can anyone help with a unexplained Hdd activity every second on Ubuntu Natty?
[18:11] <Barcode> Seems to be jbd2/sda1-8 writing to the disk, but unrelated to Logs as they don't seem to grow in size
[18:27] <zeref> hmmm
[18:27] <zeref> hi guys
[18:28] <charlvn> hi zaref
[18:33] <charlvn> these guys they come in, ask a question, and before anyone can answer, they decide to bugger off
[18:33] <charlvn> patience is a virtue
[18:34] <highvoltage> yeah, that's always a problem
[18:34] <zeref> yeah, hope they dont think there is noone in the chat
[18:35] <zeref> it has happened before
[18:44] <charlvn> recipe for noobery: enter an irc channel, ask a question, if nobody answers within 5 seconds, asume nobody is on and leave
[18:46] <nuvolari> o/ hello
[18:47] <charlvn> hi nuvolari
[18:58] <magespawn> Evening alll
[19:01] <superfly> charlvn: yeah, I get that all the time in other channels too
[19:01] <superfly> heya magespawn
[19:03] <charlvn> yeah me too
[19:03] <magespawn> Whats up fols?
[19:03] <magespawn> Folks
[19:04] <charlvn> vet gangster
[19:04] <charlvn> "what's up foo"
[19:04] <magespawn> Huh?
[19:05] <charlvn> nvm
[19:23] <charlvn> wow this ballie is hard core http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/2138811/0fa2f1f4/baasopa_maakt_biertje_open.html


[00:07] <Roguehorse> jyo: It's one way to attack the animal, however content providers have been forever trying to restrict their media (at least since the modern digital age). Back in the day it was much easier for us to record our LP's onto cassetes for our friends.
[00:33] <rww> jyo: heh
[00:33] <rww> I'm still trying to figure out how they're hoping to make a functional DRM system that lives in an open source sandbox and isn't trivial to code around
[00:34] <rww> i mean, i grok that no DRM systems actually work, but still
[00:55] <nhaines> I was advising someone who was asking about DRM on ebooks or PDFs or whatever the other day.
[00:56] <nhaines> "As far as piracy goes, DRM only (and I mean only) hurts honest, paying customers. MOBI and EPUB files can be opened and edited, and the copy protection on AZW files is trivial to break. What you end up with is a situation where a DRM-broken, illicit copy can be read, edited, traded, borrowed, and shared on any device with any number of people freely and without restriction, but the DRM-encumbered file costs money and can only be used on one d
[00:56] <nhaines> I suggested it wasn't their job to make sure their readers have to buy a new copy if their Nook breaks and they decide to go for a Kindle, or vice versa.
[00:56] <rww> cut off at "can only be used on one d"
[00:57] <nhaines> and can only be used on one device forever. Guess which one is worth more to the reader? Spoiler  alert: it's the DRM-free one."
[00:57] <akk> You were advising someone who wanted to publish something using DRM?
[00:58] <akk> I'm always hesitant to buy ebooks (or anything else) with DRM, unless I'm pretty sure I know how to break it.
[00:58] <akk> I'd be happy to pay for non-DRM epub ebooks.
[00:59] <akk> (I guess that doesn't add anything, I'm just agreeing with what you said)
[01:01] <nhaines> Yeah, I said that worrying about plagiarism or piracy was a massive waste of time.
[01:01] <akk> I have a PDF copy of the book I wrote because somebody who downloaded a pirated copy gave me a link to it.
[01:02] <akk> The publisher never gave me a copy of the official released PDF.
[01:02] <nhaines> I ocassionally format ebooks in EPUB format for authors as an occassional side gig, and I always advise against DRM.
[01:02] <nhaines> Ha!
[01:02] <akk> I was very amused when somebody showed up on #gimp and was talking about how they'd downloaded this gimp book.
[01:02] <nhaines> haha
[01:02] <akk> Sort of flattered, actually, I didn't know anybody was pirating my book 'til then. :)
[01:03] <nhaines> Yeah, that's when you know you made it  :)
[01:03] <ianorlin> pirating your own book doesn't count though]
[01:03] <nhaines> Someone posted some site with TONS of ebooks for download.  Apparently a bunch of the posts actually just linked to authors' Smashwords pages or whatever.
[01:03] <akk> But really, is someone pirating the PDF that different from them getting it from a library?
[01:03] <nhaines> Not according to Mark Twain!
[01:04] <akk> Sure, it's limited time from a library, but they can always check it out again and again.
[01:04]  * ianorlin just imagined a sailboat wtih books inside it
[01:04] <nhaines> I advised the author who was upset that he should write a very polite letter saying that you were flattered but disapproved and would prefer the download was replaced with a link to the Amazon title page, and provide a Amazon Associates referral link.
[01:05] <nhaines> Actually I think I heard of an ebook sharing forum that--when an author came on to discuss their work--would remove all free download links, promote the author's library and ban anyone who reposted free links.
[01:06] <nhaines> Which, you know, doesn't make facilitating illegal downloads *right*, but if you have a passionate community you may as well engage them and make that personal connection.  Sales went up.
[01:07] <akk> I'm annoyed at how book readers aren't rebelling against DRM the way music listeners did.
[01:08]  * ianorlin doesn't pay for things with drm
[01:08] <nhaines> Amazon's Kindle Direct Publishing page defaults to no DRM.
[01:08] <nhaines> ianorlin: More like Digital Restrictions Management, amirite?
[01:08] <ianorlin> yeah it just makes it a pain
[01:09] <nhaines> I love Terry Pratchett, but I'll be damned if I'm rebuying 35 of his books so I can have them on my Kindle.
[01:10] <nhaines> Except for Good Omens which I rebought on accident but kept because it's awesome.  :P
[01:10] <akk> And then lose them again if you change platforms or if amazon decides to take them back.
[01:11] <nhaines> Unfortunately I bought all the paperbacks in physical stores so I can't even do the Matchbook thing, which BTW is a fantastic idea.
[01:11] <akk> What's Matchbook?
[01:11] <nhaines> I've determined, though, that it basically never makes any sense for me to ever physically publish anything unless it's a computer book that I can charge $45 for.
[01:12] <akk> I suspect if I publish any more books I'll self-publish with a place that does print-on-demand.
[01:13] <nhaines> akk: if Amazon sells a physical and a Kindle version of the same title, publishers can link the titles and set a price of free, $0.99, $1.99, or $2.99 for anyone who bought the physical book from Amazon.
[01:13] <ianorlin> I can understand realising ebooks once something goes out of print because reprints are really expensive
[01:13] <nhaines> As long as the promotional price is under 50% of the physical price.
[01:14] <nhaines> POD is cheap enough these days.
[01:14] <nhaines> Except that Amazon will only pay you 60% of the list price.
[01:14] <akk> Amazon is pretty evil. I should boycott them but ... I don't.
[01:15] <nhaines> A $2.99 Kindle book will get you about $2.06 royalty on each sale.
[01:15] <nhaines> Donno about evil.  They're very efficient.
[01:15] <akk> I was just reading some articles this morning about how they strong-arm publishers into undercutting themselves.
[01:16] <akk> Like, they'll hang onto a shipment for a month and not ship it out to customers to punish a publisher for not giving Amazon a better deal than everyone else.
[01:17] <nhaines> I know a handful of people who make livings writing short stories and self-publishing them.  It's work, but it's pretty lucrative.
[01:17] <nhaines> akk: yeah, that's shady.
[01:22] <Roguehorse> Doesn't a lot of it just come down to who will be willing to pay the fee (knowing it supports the artist financially) or those willing to work to get the product for free?
[01:22] <nhaines> Through traditional publishing you're lucky to get an 8% royalty for your first book.  The good news is that you'll get an advance that usually won't be earned out.  The bad news is... that's probably all you get.
[01:22] <Roguehorse> sneaking into the movie or concert...same thing
[01:23] <nhaines> Roguehorse: not necessarily.  When I played a lot of PC games I routinely bought a game and then immediately cracked it so I didn't have to swap out disks constantly.
[01:23] <akk> Roguehorse: The sad thing about DRM is that paying the fee may get you the version that requires more work.
[01:23] <nhaines> akk: precisely.
[01:24] <Roguehorse> I understand the disk thing, did that myself a few times. However, did I make copies for all my friends so they didn't have to buy the game like I did? No
[01:25] <akk> Roguehorse: What we'd like is a way to pay the fee, support the author, and in return get the more functional copy that works everywhere.
[01:25] <akk> Not so we can copy it and illegally distribute it, but so that we can read it using a device and app that's comfortable to use.
[01:25] <Roguehorse> But how can we guarantee someone won't abuse that?
[01:25] <akk> You can't guarantee it with DRM either.
[01:25] <nhaines> Roguehorse: there's no way to do that in any case.
[01:26] <Roguehorse> No, it's their only solution right now
[01:26] <akk> As nhaines said earlier, DRM only punishes the law-abiding person. Anyone else can easily get the book somewhere else without it.
[01:26] <Roguehorse> Dead tree versions are hard to copy (but not impossible)
[01:26] <nhaines> No they're not.  Throw it on a scanner, OCR it.
[01:27] <nhaines> Put on Netflix or music and it's not even boring.
[01:27] <Roguehorse> That's a lot of work
[01:27] <akk> Yeah, there are two books in the local library that I really want to copy ... out of print, can't buy one of my own, at least not for anything near a reasonable price.
[01:27] <akk> So we may need to do some dead-tree book copying.
[01:27] <Roguehorse> how many people do you know are willing to go through all that?
[01:27] <nhaines> There only needs to be one before it's a free PDF.
[01:27] <akk> I find copying books extremely tedious.
[01:27] <Roguehorse> true
[01:28] <akk> I scanned a bunch of images from an old (enough to be public domain) book recently.
[01:28] <Roguehorse> but, then we come back to our own use and sharing what we aren't supposed to
[01:28] <akk> Legal, but it was a huge PITA and I only did it because the other available copies were crappy.
[01:28] <nhaines> You're allowed to share any book for any amount of time for any reason.
[01:28] <nhaines> (It's duplicating that's not kosher.)
[01:28] <akk> nhaines: Only if it's a dead-tree book, of course. If it's a DRMed ebook you mostly can't share it at all.
[01:29] <ianorlin> my brother actually scans things legally in a library
[01:29] <akk> (unless you share the physical reader device along with it)
[01:29] <Roguehorse> oh yeah, they've allowed scanning pages from books for decades
[01:29] <akk> And if it's a DRMed ebook you mostly can't check it out from a library, either.
[01:29] <nhaines> akk: at least Amazon Kindle allows lending.  :)  But for one week once time to any individual is sort of ridiculous.  :P
[01:30] <Roguehorse> nhaines: I've never tried that
[01:30] <akk> Yeah, I consider that not allowing lending.
[01:30] <nhaines> akk: actually, the only ebooks the libraries around here support are DRMed.
[01:30] <akk> My mom wanted to share books with me, but the restrictions made it not useful at all.
[01:30] <nhaines> Pretty much.
[01:30] <akk> nhaines: Have you ever tried to check out one of those DRMed ebooks from a library? Just try it, I challenge you.
[01:30] <ianorlin> drm costs to implement and makes your book less valueable to consumers
[01:30] <nhaines> akk: it was trivial.
[01:31] <akk> I challenge you to: think of a specific book you want to check out, find it in a library available for checkout, and actually check it out.
[01:31] <nhaines> akk: I even read a few pages.  :)
[01:31] <ianorlin> I like using creative commons pdfs to test out pdf readers in development relases
[01:31] <akk> I actually did manage it once. Every other time I've tried it, it's been impossible to find any book I remotely wanted to read that way.
[01:31] <Roguehorse> my family still checks out childrens books for my son
[01:31] <nhaines> akk: well, I was lucky that the book I wanted was available.  So that was a plus.
[01:31] <Roguehorse> I chuckle
[01:32] <akk> And the one time I managed it, every few days it would mysteriously disappear from my device and I'd have to spend 45 minutes
[01:32] <akk> re-checking it out, then painstakingly trying to get back to where I was in the book
[01:32] <nhaines> Roguehorse: oh, that's a fantastic way to read books.  Children's books are extortionate.  :P
[01:32] <akk> (which was hard because their proprietary reader app didn't have a working "go to page number" let alone "remember position" or "remember bookmark")
[01:32] <nhaines> akk: on Kindle it was easy.  the book is even *still* on my device, although it says "loan expired".
[01:32] <Roguehorse> nhaines: : )
[01:33] <akk> This was on android, using ... /me looks up the app name
[01:33] <Roguehorse> nhaines: ?? and still readable?
[01:33] <akk> Blio
[01:33] <nhaines> Roguehorse: presumably not.  But all the metadata is still there.  I could either check it out again or purchase it from Amazon.
[01:33] <Roguehorse> Ah
[01:34] <ianorlin> Why do I sort of want to realease an ebook under a liscense that only prohibits distributing it with drm
[01:34] <akk> nhaines: What library? I'm curious. I've tried it with Mountain View, San Jose, Santa Clara county, Burbank, LA County and Glendale.
[01:34] <nhaines> My friend's kid couldn't read after Kindergarten.  I made his parents buy a phonics series, then hit the library and the dollar bookstore alternately.  He reads superbly in both English and German, a little less than a year later.
[01:34] <akk> Oh, and Cupertino.
[01:35] <nhaines> akk: Orange County Public Library System.
[01:35] <akk> Ah, never tried that one.
[01:35] <pleia2> nhaines: that's pretty impressive, the phonics stuff was before my time so it took me until 3rd grade
[01:36] <Roguehorse> It was too long ago for me to remember - I feel old
[01:36] <nhaines> Donno, I taught myself to read with books on tape by the time I was 4.
[01:37] <pleia2> I'm dyslexic, so I had a pretty rough time of it (fortunately I went to a good school so they got me on track after a few years)
[01:37] <ianorlin> I think I was reading in first grade but don't quite remember
[01:37] <ianorlin> my handwriting is still really hard to read
[01:37] <Roguehorse> good deal, my niece has that issue. The school system fumbled it for a long time
[01:37] <nhaines> Luckily, he would enjoy working out words once he got into it... he likes figuring out puzzles.  So it'd be a mix of reading to him with a finger under the word, making him read, and trading off.
[01:38] <pleia2> nhaines: puzzles were the key to my success too :)
[01:38] <Roguehorse> My son just wants to be able to type his own searches into our tablet
[01:38] <pleia2> I think some brains just work differently, it's all good as long as the student gets some kind of attention they need
[01:39] <Roguehorse> pleia2: +1
[01:39] <nhaines> ianorlin: I need to work with him on handwriting some more.  I keep telling him there's *no* easier way to write letters than the way I do it.
[01:39]  * ianorlin wonders how young people are before they start using command line
[01:39] <nhaines> "If there were a lazier way, *I* would be doing it, and that'd what I'd teach you instead."
[01:39] <rww> typing
[01:39] <rww> :P
[01:39]  * pleia2 pulls up a rocking chair and tells ianorlin about how her first computer only had a command line
[01:40] <Roguehorse> ianorlin: tablet, and point-and-click
[01:40] <akk> pleia2: And only a line editor! None of this newfangled vi stuff!
[01:40] <rww> pleia2: ps i found a new person for next month's ubuntu hour
[01:40] <rww> pleia2: her name is elky you may have heard of her
[01:41] <rww> (she's flying in on the 27th, we have an appointment at the courthouse on the 28th :3)
[01:41] <pleia2> akk: mine was DOS so it came with WordPerfect 4 or something
[01:41] <pleia2> rww: AAAAH I AM SO EXCITED :D
[01:41] <rww> ikr :D
[01:41] <Roguehorse> Commodore64 and  a casette drive
[01:42] <nhaines> What *really* annoyed me is when he'd read a word like Wind (means "wind", sounds like "vint") and he'd pronounce the "d" wrong, I'd correct him, he'd repeat it wrong, but when the ELECTRONIC PEN said it right, he'd repeat it right.    But /d/ vs. /t/ is another.  Although there was one time where he did get upset over "Erdnußbutter."  I kept covering more of the word for him to try to sound out until we got down to "Erd" and I would say /ert/.
[01:44]  * rww ponders Erdnußbutter
[01:44] <nhaines> And finally he got upset and said "Where's the 'tuh'?"
[01:44] <nhaines> And I explained that final d in a word or syllable is unvoiced.
[01:44] <nhaines> Which is not how I explained it.  :P
[01:44] <pleia2> hehe
[01:45] <nhaines> rww: Erd is "earth", Nuß is "nut", Butter is "butter", Erdnuß is peanut, and Erdnußbutter is peanut butter, which is an import luxury food in Germany. :P
[01:45] <rww> oic
[01:45] <pleia2> I was gonna say, they don't have peanut butter in europe
[01:46] <pleia2> I remember when we were at UDS in Brussels and we went to a chocolate shop, one of the people with us "Do you have anything with peanut butter?" store clerk was like "AMERICANS!"
  It was a big hit.
[01:48] <akk> haha, I just showed the video to d and said "I went to the wrong restaurant"
[01:49] <nhaines> haha
[01:49] <akk> d: "What difference would it make?"
[01:49] <akk> me: "It's cool! It's FLAMING!"
[01:49] <akk> d: Oh. *eyeroll*
[01:49] <pleia2> yeah, it was mostly just cool :)
[01:49] <rww> or hot
[01:50] <pleia2> they poured some kind of alcohol on it to get it to flame up, but after it mostly burns off and you cover it in cream and berries you can't taste any different really
[01:50] <Roguehorse> no PB in Europe? Really?
[01:50] <akk> I'd take hazelnut or almond butter over PB any day ... but I think of PB as a cheap ubiquitous stable.
[01:50] <akk> The others are exotic expensive treats.
[01:50] <nhaines> Roguehorse: yup.  Not in a normal market or it's very expensive.
[01:51] <Roguehorse> When I went to China in 04 we went to McD and there was no beef available. It was weird.
[01:51] <ianorlin> I think that varies a lot
[01:51] <nhaines> Everyone in Germany drives BMWs and Mercerdes, too.  Because they're domestic.  :P
[01:51]  * ianorlin actaully hasn't been overseas
[01:51] <pleia2> nhaines: taxis too!
[01:51] <nhaines> pleia2: yes!
[01:51] <nhaines> German McDonalds has real bread.
[01:52]  * ianorlin is to hot to go into detail about how my mom went crazy and bought a bmw
[01:52] <Roguehorse> any Opal's still on the road over there?
[01:52] <pleia2> McDonalds does regional things even stateside, during the season they even have lobster rolls some years in Maine :)
[01:52] <nhaines> Also maybe beer.  I think we drove through.  We wouldn't have stopped there but we were going to be late to see Terminator 3.  Which was not dubbed by Arnold, which was weird.  :)
[01:52] <akk> Lobster rolls in McD's? wow.
[01:52] <Roguehorse> pleia2: neat!
[01:52] <pleia2> ianorlin: plenty of time, I never left the country (not even Canada) until I was 27
[01:52] <akk> pleia2: You're definitely making up for lost time.
[01:53]  * pleia2 has two more continents to cross off her list
[01:53] <nhaines> I'll say.
[01:53] <nhaines> Some time I need to have another currywurst from a street vendor.
[01:53] <pleia2> antarctica is taking some planning, I'm thinking a cruise
[01:53] <nhaines> Or Dönerkebab!
[01:53] <nhaines> pleia2: parasail.
[01:53]  * pleia2 dresses warmly
[01:54] <pleia2> my husband doesn't want to go because he thinks it will be too intense
[01:55] <pleia2> plus only small ships go down there and he gets seasick
[01:55] <Roguehorse> pleia2: Yeah, not for me.
[01:55]  * ianorlin wonders if people go who get carsick text and drive less
[01:55] <nhaines> pleia2: just tell him after the third or fourth time his stomach will be empty so, like, after that it won't hardly even be a thing.
[01:56] <elky> someone just started a countdown in hours
[01:56] <pleia2> nhaines: haha
[01:57] <nhaines> Next time I go on an Amazon spree I need to remember to generate affiliate links that I use myself.
[01:59] <akk> They won't let you do that ... unless you fool them by making another account not tied to the affiliate account.
[01:59] <akk> But it's violating the TOS so if they find out they might cancel the affiliate account or something.
[01:59] <akk> Here, use mine. :)
[01:59] <nhaines> Ha  :)
[01:59] <nhaines> I don't think it's against the TOS.  I'll have to check.
[02:00] <akk> It was last time I looked, and they sent out something specifically saying you couldn't buy using your own account.
[02:00] <nhaines> I mean, I *do* use the account for legitimate trying to convince other people to buy.  I have 5 clicks this month!
[02:00] <akk> Of course using a friend's account is perfectly legal ... not sure about if it's a spouse or something.
[02:01] <akk> They'd probably notice if it shipped to the same address.
[02:09] <nhaines> akk: Qualifying Purchases exclude, and we will not pay advertising fees on any of, the following: any Product purchased through a Special Link by you or on your behalf, including Products you purchase through Special Links for yourself, friends, relatives, or associates (e.g., personal orders, orders for your own use, and orders placed by you for or on behalf of any other person or entity);
[02:09] <nhaines> Rats.  Well, good thing I've always forgotten to do that then.  :)
[02:24] <Roguehorse> The affiliate programs are "really" tight about what's accepted and what's not (and they do follow up)
[02:29] <nhaines> With good reason.
[02:29] <nhaines> I just don't link to Amazon without doing a referral link anymore.  They money's earmarked for *someone*.  May as well be me.
[02:32] <Roguehorse> I did a few books from Amazon. Handy to have them on all my devices. I have so many now I have yet to go through though...
[02:38] <nhaines> My friend's kid saw my Juju shirt and asked me about the "Skynet" step.  Then I had to explain Terminator 2 to him.
[02:38] <nhaines> It turns out it's really difficult to explain to a 7yo why people wouldn't trust computers infiltrating every aspect of human life.
[02:39] <nhaines> We watched pretty much the only appropriate scene from the movie without getting parental permission to watch the entire thing: the scene where the T-1000 morphs through the barred gate but his gun gets stuck.
[02:40] <nhaines> We'll watch the whole thing some time but having finished Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, Ghostbusters is probably next on the list.
[02:40] <akk> You couldn't just explain it like "evil robots"?
[02:41] <nhaines> akk: he's not afraid of robots.
[02:41] <akk> We just watched Ghostbusters again. It doesn't hold up as well as I thought it would.
[02:41] <nhaines> LIES!
[02:41] <akk> Well, see what you think, maybe you won't agree.
[02:41] <akk> It wasn't awful.
[02:42] <nhaines> I had the same problem trying to explain why GLaDOS singing was meaningful.  He hadn't seen 2001 and doesn't understand why a talking computer would be scary because he talks to Google Now constantlly.
[02:42] <akk> The Terminator movies hold up very well, though.
[02:42] <akk> Well, Hal isn't scary because he talks, he's scary because of what he's trying to do.
[02:43] <Roguehorse> Try War Games
[02:43] <akk> Oh, yeah, I should watch that again.
[02:43] <nhaines> Yes, but that's based on the notion of a sentient computer when most people had never seen one.  I wonder if TRON makes any sense nowadays either.
[02:43] <akk> Of course parts of it were always cheesy.
[02:43] <Roguehorse> I just finished Jobs the other day. Good flick
[02:44] <akk> Tron never made any sense to begin with. :)
[02:44] <nhaines> I think we watched the Slimer scene from Ghostbusters and he wasn't scared.  So that's a go.
[02:44] <akk> Scenes like that are still funny.
[02:44] <Roguehorse> I tried The Matrix a couple days ago, still too predictable
[02:44] <akk> And the ghost that eats everything in sight.
[02:45] <nhaines> When he was 6 if he got scared he'd run and hide in his closet.
[02:45] <akk> I always thought the Matrix was pretty silly, the whole energy thing never made any sense.
[02:45] <Roguehorse> nhaines: Ah man!
[02:45] <akk> I was probably about 6-7 when Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was my big scary movie.
[02:46] <akk> Stuff like getting stuck in the chocolate tube or blowing up into a big bubble.
[02:46] <nhaines> akk: the room with the bubbles and the fan are hardcore.
[02:46] <pleia2> akk: the worst part about everyone watching Ghostbusters again is now *everyone* is in on why we call the OpenStack gatekeeper software we use Zuul ;)
[02:46] <nhaines> I went fake skydiving last year and I managed to straighten out and launch up past the wind chamber and into the next segment with the fans.  That movie was all I could think of.
[02:47] <akk> pleia2: heh, yeah. And the lines at the beginning of mozilla xul files.
[02:47] <pleia2> hehe
[02:47] <nhaines> pleia2: if you take apart a Firefox XUL file, it sas "There is no data, there is only XUL."  :)
[02:47] <pleia2> nice
[02:47] <Roguehorse> Oh geez
[03:01] <Roguehorse> brb.......Big Bang Theory is on : )
[03:06] <jyo> rww: Are you saying we'll actually have a real election next year? :O
[03:06] <nhaines> Ha.
[03:40] <nhaines> pleia2: how many pizzas did you do for your release party and how many people did you anticipate?
[03:41] <pleia2> nhaines: eleven 18" pizzas cut into 12 slices, anticipated 50 people
[03:42]  * ianorlin thinks he will be getting up at 4:30 on the day of the installfest and watch formula 1 in monaco then drive the 91 down to the 57
[03:42] <nhaines> Awesome, thanks.  :)  How'd that work out foodwise?
[03:42] <nhaines> ianorlin: please email me if you're going to be there.  I haven't gotten any volunteer confirmations.  :)
[03:42] <pleia2> worked out well, I was worried it would be too much :)
[03:42] <nhaines> Just one confirmation, I mean.
[03:42] <nhaines> pleia2: that's good.  :)
[03:43] <nhaines> Also there's no such thing!
[03:43] <pleia2> also brought along tortilla chips and salsa (spent a total of about $10 on those at costco) and 120 cookies
[03:43] <pleia2> 2 trays of 60 cookies, I could have done with half that
[03:43] <nhaines> We're going to have coffee and donuts.  So pizza will be on top of that.
[03:43] <nhaines> Except that I'm not paying for pizza, so let's hope the reimbursement request works out.  :P
[03:44] <pleia2> yeah, canonical covered pizza, I got the chips and cookies, venue got drinks (non-alcoholic)
[03:44]  * pleia2 seeks dinner
[03:45] <ryaxnb9> release party?
[03:46] <nhaines> Also Papa Johns has a "Residence/Business/University/Military" radio button, and when I said "University" it changed to dropdowns and I just picked California, CSUF, McCarthy Hall, and I just had to put in the room number.  This makes me ridiculously happy.
[03:51] <rww> jyo: that's my secret plan!
[03:51] <nhaines> Ooh, these are expensive enough I might be able to use a smaller pizza joint that has far better pizza.  Yay.
[03:52] <nhaines> Hmm, maybe not.  Well, we'll see.
[04:02] <nhaines> Aww, they don't deliver anyway.  Shame.
[04:03] <nhaines> rww: did you know that IPv6 is far more secure than IPv4?
[04:04] <ianorlin> nhaines I want to know how
[04:04] <nhaines> ianorlin: yes, it's because nobody understands how IPv6 works, so no one can hack you.
[17:13] <grantbow> anyone in Sonoma or Marin? My brother in law just moved to San Rafael.
[17:13] <grantbow> I just responded to the email question on our list.
[17:18] <Roguehorse> Hey Grant, what's going on?
[17:23] <grantbow> list traffic. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
[17:23] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu-us-ca Info Page]
[17:24] <grantbow> :-)


[08:48] <Uallas> Hello world!
[08:49] <ruenoak> hi
[09:58] <mips> hi
[09:59] <mips> How do I install the Gnome desktop on Ubuntu 14.04, apparently gnome is in the repos
[10:04] <[Ch4m3l30n]> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/gnome-shell-310-lands-in-ubuntu-1404.html
[10:05] <mips> [Ch4m3l30n], yes that is where I saw it but how do I install it on a existing ubuntu install?
[10:06] <darkxst> mips, just install 'ubuntu-gnmoe-desktop'
[10:06] <mips> thx!
[10:08] <mips> not to bad only 45MB to be downloaded
[10:34] <darklight_> darkxst, there are a couple of small issues if nautilus uses the desktop it displays file at the top as running (as if nautlius was open) and the /etc/init.d/gdm script has an error on line 79 , try to restart it
[10:40] <darkxst> darklight_, I don't understand what you mean re nautilus
[10:41] <darklight_> darkxst, I'll make a screenshot hold on
[10:42] <darkxst> gdm script indeed appears to have spurious 'fi'
[10:43] <darkxst> does the error go way if you remove line 79 from it?
[10:43] <darkxst> ^away
[10:43] <darklight_> darkxst, still uploading the screenshot
[10:44] <darklight_> it's taking forever
[10:44] <darklight_> darkxst, http://imgur.com/zMJ5sCk
[10:45] <darklight_> files should not show up as running just because it is managing the desktop
[10:46]  * darklight_ restarts gdm
[10:47] <darkxst> right, but that situation is unmaintained unfortunately, we have some hacks in place to make it work, but really you are not meant to use it ;)
[10:48] <darklight_> darkxst, :(
[10:48] <darkxst> darklight_, patches welcome!
[10:48] <darklight_> gdm doesn't throw an error but I don't think it restarts either shouldn't it restart X ?
[10:49] <darklight_> log me out and all
[10:49] <darklight_> because it didn't
[10:49] <darkxst> no, but is should log you out and kill gnome-shell
[10:49] <darklight_> darkxst, well it doesn't :P
[10:50] <darkxst> ok, I will take a closer look at that one, next week
[10:50] <darklight_> darkxst, give me an hint to what I could look into for the nautilus thing
[10:51] <darklight_> Hopefully it should be trivial, I have a fedora install where it works fine so it's likely either a patch missing or a simple config
[10:51] <darkxst> darklight_, are you using the PPA?
[10:51] <darklight_> nope
[10:52] <darkxst> fedora doesnt support desktop icons?
[10:53] <darklight_> darkxst, ? maybe I'm missing something are icons showing up using different methods here rather than in fedora ?
[10:54] <darkxst> I don't know what fedora does, but upstream removed all support for nautilus managing the desktop
[10:56] <darklight_> darkxst: sorry about that I had the brilliant idea of removin the gdm init script and reinstalling it and it seems the init script is not packaged with the gdm package so I'm stuck in tty now
[10:56] <darkxst> darklight_, I don't know what fedora does, but upstream removed all support for nautilus managing the desktop
[10:57] <darkxst> darklight_, sure it is!
[10:57] <darklight_> darkxst: interesting I shall ask them then, I've tried on both opensuse and fedora and works ok
[10:57] <darklight_> darkxst: well it really doesn't want to show up though
[10:57] <darkxst> where else would it come from?
[10:58] <darklight_> eh no idea but it just isn't reinstall when issuing apt-get --reinstall install gdm
[10:58] <darklight_> s/reinstall/reinstalled
[10:58] <darkxst> darklight_, maybe just rip it out of the deb then
[10:58] <darkxst> its definitely in there
[10:59] <darklight_> darkxst: how do I unpack the .deb ?
[11:00] <darkxst> file-roller should manage
[11:01] <darkxst> oh but your in a tty still?
[11:01] <darklight_> darkxst: I'm stuck in tty for now can't access applications but I managed with dpkg
[11:01] <darklight_> and still
[11:01] <darklight_> damn
[11:02] <darklight_> no init file but it is there when it's unpacked
[11:02] <darkxst> darklight_, purge gdm and reinstall
[11:03] <darkxst> that would have to result in init file getting reinstalled
[11:03] <mgedmin> midnight commander is a nice way of extracting single files from .deb in a terminal
[11:04] <darklight_> done now it's there
[11:04] <darkxst> testing in VM's is a nice way not to destroy your main system ;)
[11:10]  * mgedmin upgraded to 3.10 from the ppa today and is now enjoying mild breakage
[11:10] <darklight_> darkxst, they both use the gnome-tweak-tool which I think uses the gsetting option
[11:11] <darklight_> but it sure does look different
[11:11] <darklight_> is it possible that gnome-tweak-tool needs updating ?
[11:12] <darklight_> yes different tweak-tool versions, in the most recent alpha it's 3.8 while gnome-shell is 3.10
[11:15] <darkxst> darklight_, I don't think so
[11:16] <darklight_> darkxst, yes the one in the alpha is 3.8 in the ppa there's 3.10
[11:16] <darkxst> no but the problem will be deeper than that
[11:16] <darkxst> gnome-tweek-tool auto-generates most options from gsettings info
[11:16] <darklight_> darkxst, could be but it's worth a shot plus there are not a whole lot of 3.8 packages left
[11:17] <darkxst> darklight_, have a look at the patches in fedora
[11:17] <darklight_> darkxst, to what component ?
[11:17] <darkxst> they must also be reverting patches if nautilus still manages desktop
[11:18] <darkxst> nautilus, gnome-desktop(3) and maybe gnome-settings-daemon
[11:19] <darkxst> unless desktop icons are implemented via  a shell extension in fedora? but I doubt that
[11:20] <darklight_> darkxst, gnome-desktpo3-data is still at 3.8, could upgrading at 3.10 help ?
[11:20] <darkxst> no
[11:21] <darklight_> well then I'll ask
[11:21] <darkxst> that is a major pain point, trying to get it updated, but won't help your issue
[11:23] <darklight_> same thing for gnome-settings-daemon ?
[11:24] <darkxst> basically, that is blocked by gnome-desktop
[11:24] <darkxst> but again, I don't see anything that would affect your issue
[11:25] <darkxst> you should look at the patches, not just the version numbers
[11:25] <darkxst> and yes they will mostly be in C!
[11:26] <darklight_> darkxst, I don't fear the patches themselves but it's just that I'm not finding anything relevant (looking at opensuse but still works fine there too)
[11:27] <darkxst> keep looking then!
[11:28] <darkxst> since I certainly don't have any spare capacity to look into these things
[11:29] <darklight_> darkxst, sure it's just I don't know what to look into, I'll have to wait for input from (hopefully) Dimstar from opensuse (he's the gnome packager)
[11:30] <darkxst> darklight_, nautilus no longer supports managing desktop
[11:30] <darkxst> they would have patches to re-enable that?
[11:31] <darkxst> compare those patches against the patches we have in ubuntu
[11:34] <darkxst> I would just diff the relevant patches, but reading a diff of diffs is really hard
[11:34] <darklight_> darkxst, maybe I found something relevant
[11:35] <darklight_> maybe not but it's the only thing that comes even close so far
[11:35] <darkxst> what did you find?
[11:35] <darklight_> http://dpaste.com/1567414/
[11:36] <darklight_> not sure if it's applied here, I'm ashamed to admit I have very very little experience with .deb files, I'm trying to figure out where to check
[11:36] <darklight_> s/files/packages
[11:36] <darkxst> darklight_, check the source packag
[11:36] <darkxst> in /debian/patches/
[11:37] <darkxst> and that patch is irrelevant to your issue
[11:38] <darkxst> atleast I believe its just changing the types of the icons
[11:38] <darklight_> darkxst, it seems like it is but it's the only one that comes even remotly close the others are blacklight patches proxy patches notify patches but nothing about the desktop
[11:39] <darkxst> it won't help the nautilus is running in topbar
[11:39] <darklight_> darkxst, I know but if it's not a patch to those components I don't know where to look
[11:40] <darklight_> darklight_, now that I think about it there's a similar issue on unity that has never been fixed
[11:40] <darklight_> do they use nautilus too ?
[11:40] <darkxst> yes
[11:40] <darklight_> if on unity one opens it and closes it it still shows on top as open
[11:41] <darklight_> it does not give focus to the desktop by default
[11:41] <darklight_> so I guess it's some real ugly patch from the unity guys that creates the issue
[11:41] <darkxst> so it only shows up after you click an icon then?
[11:42] <darklight_> here it's always but I remember on unity just open nautilus close it and it won't give focus to the desktop by default it will still show as open which is somewhat similar to what happens here
[11:43] <darkxst> nautilus 3.10 is on gnome3 PPA, try with that
[11:43] <darkxst> otherwise you will have to dig a bit deeper, but I have to run in a bit
[11:43] <darklight_> is it more vanilla ?
[11:47] <darkxst> I don't know, but my guess would be its patch related, since upstream don't support that feature anymore though
[11:47] <darklight_> darkxst, I've asked and it's supported
[11:47] <darklight_> "DimStar> darklight_: no, this is still upstream features.. no patches needed"
[11:48] <darklight_> so I would say rather than trying to find what is wrong with the patches the unity guys added I think it'd be best to just build a vanilla nautilus
[11:49] <darklight_> without unity patches that is
[11:51] <darklight_> I would try and build it myself but as I said no idea how to write deb packages so if anyone is interested the only thing needed would be removing all the patches and rebuilding the package
[11:54] <darkxst> darklight_, ok so the patches we reverted were to bring back nautilus managing the background on the desktop not the actual icons
[11:55] <darkxst> fwiw you don't need to rewrite a deb just to rebuild it!
[11:55] <darkxst> apt-get source nautilus
[11:55] <darkxst> quilt pop -a
[11:55] <darklight_> darkxst, rebuild it without any patches that is what I don't knwo
[11:55] <darklight_> just vanilla, or at least no unity patches
[11:55] <darkxst> edit debian/patches/series and comment out any unity patches
[11:55] <darkxst> dch -i , to bump version in changelog
[11:56] <darkxst> deubild -S
[11:56] <darkxst> and build away!
[11:56] <darkxst> (with dpkg-buildpackage or preferably pbuilder)
[11:58] <darklight_> ok I'll try
[12:06] <darkxst> darklight_, ok, I will be back sometime monday
[12:07] <darkxst> (going away for the weekend and likely wont have much internet)
[12:10] <darklight_> darkxst, debuild can't find some files
[12:10] <darkxst> huh?
[12:10] <darklight_> darkxst, like debian/rules:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/autoreconf.mk: No such file or directory
[12:10] <darklight_> there's a few of those with different files
[12:11] <darkxst> darklight_, you are missing some deps
[12:11] <darklight_> apt-get builddep ?
[12:11] <darkxst> apt-get install build-essentials
[12:11] <darkxst> and apt-get build-dep nautilus]
[12:12] <darklight_> darkxst, out of curiosity will they get remove later if I issue an autoremove ?
[12:12] <darkxst> no
[12:12] <mgedmin> no
[12:12] <darklight_> what would be the clean way to remove build dependencies ?
[12:12] <darkxst> remove all -dev packages
[12:13] <darkxst> or just leave them there, apart from a bit of disk space, they won't hurt
[12:14] <darkxst> i.e. will not affect run-time performance
[12:14] <darkxst> installing debug packages on the other hand will destroy run-time performance
[12:14] <darklight_> darkxst, yes I know I just like to keep things tidy
[12:15] <darkxst> then just remove all -dev packages
[12:15] <darkxst> that should be possible in about 3 lines of bash script
[12:16] <darklight_> it fails again
[12:16] <darklight_> should I ru ndpkg-source --commit as it suggests ?
[12:17] <darkxst> no, you should follow the instruction I typed!
[12:18] <darklight_> I did I just disabled some more patches should have I ran dch -i again ?
 quilt pop -a
[12:18] <darkxst> <darkxst> edit debian/patches/series and comment out any unity patches
[12:18] <darklight_> Patch interactive_search.patch does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f)
[12:19] <darkxst> -f is fine, though you have probably messed up things at this point anyway
[12:19] <darklight_> darkxst, I'll restart from the beginning
[12:20] <darkxst> yes do, and....
[12:20]  * darkxst gone now!
[12:20] <darklight_> have fun!
[14:23] <mgedmin> the gnome3-team ppa has mutter <IP_ADDRESS> for saucy
[14:23] <mgedmin> any plans to update it to 3.10.2?
[14:23] <mgedmin> BGO#710251 annoys me
[15:39] <mgedmin> Fontconfig error: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-khmer.conf", line 14: out of memory
[15:39] <mgedmin> what's that all about?


[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[18:51] <nigelb> ok, the basic idea is, we get to see all bugs with patches attached that are open
[18:51] <nigelb> and the user should be able to select by package or by component (main, universe, etc)
[18:52] <nigelb> and select status of patch (unreviewed, needs-work, forwarded)
[18:52] <nigelb> and it should pop out the list of bugs and download the patch
[18:52] <qense> ok
[18:52] <nigelb> then if possible display what is the upstream for that project (#wishlist)
[18:53] <qense> that would be neat
[18:53] <nigelb> so a reviewer has an easy time doing the review
[18:53] <qense> that's what we want
[18:54] <nigelb> pulling source should also be part of this, but we dont need to go into ground control
[18:54] <nigelb> since review is a lot giving back to upstream
[18:54] <qense> You want to use the Debian watch files or the Vcs-* fields?
[18:54] <nigelb> thats where I'm doubtful
[18:55] <nigelb> when submitting a patch for upstream, it should be against their current trunk
[18:55] <nigelb> so someone is better off going to upstream
[18:55] <qense> then you don't want the watch file
[18:55] <nigelb> but sometimes a patch works against ubuntu source and we tweak it for upstream
[18:55] <nigelb> so, I'm undecided there
[18:56] <qense> The reviewer should be presented with an edit mode.
[18:56] <nigelb> so a terminal and text editor in one of the tabs
[18:56] <qense> Maybe: first try to autoapply the patch to trunk, if that doesn't work present the user with a clean trunk and ask if he or she wants to apply the patch step-by-step or wants to view the output of the previous autotry
[18:57] <qense> Inline text-editor, or embed gedit?
[18:57] <nigelb> embed gedit
[18:57] <qense> sounds like the best idea to me indeed
[18:58] <nigelb> so I'll get the wiki page and mockups over weekend and we can hack code next week?
[18:59] <qense> That's a testweek for me. :) It would not be very convenient.
[18:59] <nigelb> the week after then
[18:59] <nigelb> I need lotsa help with code.  I'm usually better at organizing people to code :D
[18:59] <qense> the test week lasts from next week Wednesday until the Tuesday after that
[18:59] <qense> but I can start helping that week
[19:00] <nigelb> ok then exactly 2 weeks from now
[19:01] <qense> ok! :)
[19:01] <qense> But I may be reachable in between. If you need some advice you can always mail me.
[19:02] <nigelb> sure, will do :)
[19:02] <nigelb> I'll be on vacation next week (I just remembered)
[19:02] <qense> Just remembered. :D
[19:04] <qense> nigelb: and remember: the reference manual is your friend!
[19:04] <nigelb> qense, I remembered that when writing apport hooks :D


[08:45] <mup> Bug #1470389 opened: 1.8.0 Make table heading hover consistant with nodes/devices tabs <ui> <ux> <MAAS:New for ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470389>
[08:45] <mup> Bug #1470395 opened: Regression: padding between node name and save button inconsistent <ui> <MAAS:New for ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470395>
[08:45] <mup> Bug #1470401 opened: 1.8.0 Unexpected interactions on deactivated search and filter panel <ui> <ux> <MAAS:New for carlaberkers> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470401>
[09:08] <lifeless> heh, I read that as 'open-d' like haveged :)
[09:10] <mup> Bug #1470409 opened: MAAS upgrade/install blocked due to south  GhostMigration exception (1.9.0) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470409>
[09:46] <mup> Bug #1470409 changed: MAAS upgrade/install blocked due to south  GhostMigration exception (1.9.0) <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470409>
[13:29] <voidspace> rvba: hey, hi
[13:29] <voidspace> rvba: in your latest comment you suggest applying a migration "in reverse"
[13:29] <rvba> voidspace: right…
[13:30] <voidspace> rvba: south (at least through the django management interface) doesn't appear to have a way to apply a migration in reverse
[13:30] <voidspace> rvba: what specifically do you mean?
[13:31] <rvba> voidspace: hum, I'm not sure it's possible to apply *one* migration in reverse…
[13:31] <rvba> voidspace: when you migration to, say, migration 017, you're applying migration 018, 019, etc in reverse
[13:31] <voidspace> ah
[13:31] <voidspace> rvba: of course
[13:31] <voidspace> so migrate to 140
[13:32] <rvba> voidspace: yes, if that works :)
[13:32] <voidspace> yep
[13:32] <voidspace> well...
[13:32] <voidspace> that step worked :-)
[13:33] <voidspace> rvba: and now at least I can migrate to 0147, so it *did* get me past that problem
[13:33] <voidspace> thanks
[13:33] <voidspace> we'll see if I can actually install
[13:33] <rvba> voidspace: \o/
[13:34] <voidspace> rvba: aaaaand maas is running and I can log in!
[13:34] <voidspace> rvba: thanks :-)
[13:34] <voidspace> dimitern: ^^ done
[13:34] <kiko> cool
[13:34] <rvba> voidspace: \o/ \o/
[13:34] <dimitern> voidspace, sweet!
[13:34] <voidspace> rvba: really appreciate your help, thanks
[13:34] <rvba> voidspace: welcome
[13:34] <dimitern> yeah, thanks rvba
[13:35]  * voidspace lunches
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1470575 opened: Spurious test failure maasserver.views.tests.test_rpc.RPCViewTest.test_rpc_info_when_rpc_advertise_running <MAAS:Triaged by rvb> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470575>
[16:26] <mup> Bug #1470575 changed: Spurious test failure maasserver.views.tests.test_rpc.RPCViewTest.test_rpc_info_when_rpc_advertise_running <MAAS:Triaged by rvb> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470575>
[16:38] <mup> Bug #1470575 opened: Spurious test failure maasserver.views.tests.test_rpc.RPCViewTest.test_rpc_info_when_rpc_advertise_running <MAAS 1.8:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470575>
[16:44] <mup> Bug #1470575 changed: Spurious test failure maasserver.views.tests.test_rpc.RPCViewTest.test_rpc_info_when_rpc_advertise_running <MAAS 1.8:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470575>
[17:14] <mup> Bug #1470585 opened: Can't set a list of forwarders (BIND config) <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470585>
[17:35] <mup> Bug #1470591 opened: Setting default_distro_series via "maas" command doesn't work <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470591>
[18:23] <mup> Bug #1470604 opened: MAAS doesn't automatically discover SOL console settings <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470604>
[18:32] <mup> Bug #1470604 changed: MAAS doesn't automatically discover SOL console settings <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470604>
[18:35] <mup> Bug #1470604 opened: MAAS doesn't automatically discover SOL console settings <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470604>