[04:53] <hatetank138> using 13.04 ubuntu.... the lock/restart/shut down window is hanging on the desktop and doesn't respond.  What's the process I need to look to kill or restart?
[15:52] <earthling_> on Update Manager, there are security updates for 10 files that include headers, images, and kernels.  Should I just install all of them?
[15:55] <holstein> earthling_: there really is no "should"... if you want security updates, take them.. is it "dangerous" to upgrade a kernel? it is in this way.. you update, and the newer kernel doesnt support your hardware
[15:55] <holstein> you can boot the older one easily to test. and i (and many others) suggest leaving the last known good kernel in place
[15:56] <earthling_> I see. it does seem like there are duplicate headers and images, but maybe they serve different purposes
[15:57] <holstein> earthling_: likely updates..
[15:57] <earthling_> do you usually install all the "important security updates" that are sent to Update Manager?
[15:58] <holstein> earthling_: depends..
[15:59] <earthling_> why wouldn't one be applicable?
[15:59] <holstein> i have machines for audio production that i never upgrade.. used more like appliances.. but, they are not online.. so the security is not as important to me
[15:59] <earthling_> oh ok
[15:59] <holstein> for me, the risk of upgrading and having "breakage" is not worth it on the production machine
[16:00] <holstein> but, on my daily netbook, i try and keep current.. though, i do upgrade manually, and read through the upgrades before appying
[16:00] <holstein> applying*
[16:01] <earthling_> I like to read through them too.  I suppose the odds of a rogue update are rare since many eyes are looking on them
[16:02] <holstein> earthling_: its not a rogue update that is the problem.. its a perfectly legitamate one that breaks fucntionality on your particular hardware
[16:03] <holstein> OR, if you have manually setup graphics modules for example.. and you upgrade the kernel, and hte newer kernel doesnt have that module
[16:04] <earthling_> sounds good, have a good one
[16:04] <holstein> earthling_: im just making a distinction.. im not talking about anything malicious
[16:04] <earthling_> I see
[16:04] <earthling_> the odds of something malicious are low because it is a tightly controlled process of putting in updates?
[16:05] <earthling_> reviewed by Canonical
[16:05] <holstein> earthling_: try taking a look at the process by which something could get added to the repos... its quite envolved.. and well reviewed
[16:06] <earthling_> have no idea where that is
[16:06] <earthling_> ubuntuupdates.org ?
[16:06] <earthling_> launchpad?
[16:08] <holstein> earthling_: im just saying.. its not easy.. even if you did want to push a malicious package
[16:08] <holstein> there are trusted keys.. truested access.. build dependencies.. checks for sums.. all kinds of safety in place
[16:08] <holstein> does it happen? sure.. but thats *not* what im talking about here
[16:08] <holstein> i dont remember it having happened to ubuntu
[16:09] <earthling_> good to know
[16:10] <earthling_> and then there is "security through obscurity"
[16:11] <earthling_> we're still a small number of users relative to proprietary OS's
[16:11] <holstein> earthling_: sure.. but again, im not talking about security of the packages.. perfectly legitimate updates that are not compromised can not support your particular hardware case
[16:12] <earthling_> I've had a good run of compatibility with my hardware setup, 2 years now without any big issues
[16:12] <earthling_> I've stuck with LTS editions
[16:13] <holstein> sure.. but it *can* anc *does* break.. if you are asking why you should or shouldnt.. or might or might not want to upgrade
[16:13] <earthling_> though I haven't installed many programs from the software center
[16:14] <earthling_> I see
[16:14] <holstein> earthling_: doesnt matter where, or what package manager you use. the software comes from the official repos
[16:15] <holstein> unless you have added a PPA
[16:15] <earthling_> don't have any PPAs
[16:16] <earthling_> what about flash and java, how secure are they?
[16:16] <holstein> earthling_: as secure as adobe and oracle makes them
[16:17] <holstein> earthling_: java is quite a security issue. but its mostly the web plugin or whatever that is the issue
[16:17] <earthling_> do you use them?
[16:18] <earthling_> I need to research them more
[16:18] <holstein> earthling_: you should read about that.. us, nor ubuntu, nor cannonical support them
[16:19] <holstein> earthling_: i use them, yes
[16:19] <earthling_> always wary of rogue website
[16:19] <holstein> earthling_: ?
[16:19] <holstein> earthling_: be wary of java exploits
[16:19] <earthling_> sure
[16:20] <earthling_> I read that just visiting rogue websites can compramise your system
[16:20] <earthling_> through exploits
[16:23] <earthling_> anyways, good chatting
[16:23] <earthling_> cya


[00:45] <lindol> hi all
[08:29] <lindol> hi all
[09:10] <lindol> um.. When you find new laptop, how can you check to install ubuntu gnome or linux successfully?
[10:36] <octoquad> hello
[10:50] <darkxst> hey octoquad
[10:58] <octoquad> hi darkxst, how's it going?
[11:00] <darkxst> octoquad, getting there, seem to nearly have recovered from bad meds, then copped a bad cold/flu ;(
[11:14] <octoquad> darkxst, sorry to hear that. Hope you get better soon! Try get some vitamin C and D into your diet.
[11:18] <octoquad> darkxst, if I want to get my fix for dark theme support backported to trusty for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/899878 what would the process be? I know an SRU will need to be added to the bug report.
[11:20] <darkxst> octoquad, its in xenial? just fill out the SRU paperwork and subscribe sponsors (and make a debdiff for trusty)
[11:21] <darkxst> I probably have upload rights, so let me know when you are ready
[11:28] <octoquad> darkxst, cool, would you mind setting a release milestone for me, I don't have permissions yet.
[11:28] <octoquad> darkxst, it was shipped in wily
[11:28]  * darkxst wonders what happened to that, its used to be possible but required approval
[11:29] <octoquad> darkxst, would you mind answering this one: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+question/270644
[11:29] <darkxst> trusty added
[11:29] <octoquad> thank you :)
[11:30] <darkxst> octoquad, you could answer that? its need proper gnome3 integration! even the OP seems to realise that
[11:30] <octoquad> darkxst, ok :P
[11:31] <darkxst> notifications, gnome-online-accounts, gtk3 (instead of gtk2) etc
[11:36] <darkxst> and given mozilla have seemingly abandoned thunderbird recently (palming it off as a community project), not sure it ever will be a good idea
[11:43] <octoquad> darkxst, yes I was going to mention that. It's been on and off like that for a few years now.
[11:48] <octoquad> darkxst, I installed gnome-software to help with testing. Works pretty well so far. Although it only show packages currently installed :)
[11:49] <octoquad> darkxst, should I post something on the QA list to call for testing?
[11:50] <darkxst> octoquad, there is a metadata package in the archives you can use until laney get the aptstream working
[11:51] <darkxst> appstream-data (bit out of date now though)
[11:52] <octoquad> darkxst, ok. I followed the instructions from http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/test-new-ubuntu-16-04-software-center and also installed the appstream package and then ran the script mentioned in the article.
[11:54] <darkxst> I don't know if its a bit early to try get people testing, maybe wait until the appstream is working first
[11:55] <darkxst> desktop team is probably more concerned about their plugins, (reviews etc) but they don't affect us hugely in IMO
[11:55] <darkxst> anyway
[11:55]  * darkxst sleeps
[12:00] <octoquad> good night :)


[02:16] <BuffaloSoldier> hello, how do I request/configure an IRC cloak? My launchpad profile is https://launchpad.net/~firdaus
[02:19] <krytarik> Unit193: See above, and notice the team memberships. :3
[02:26] <hggdh> BuffaloSoldier: for unaffiliated IRC cloaks you should go directly to Freenode at #freenode. Are you, though, asking for an Ubuntu clock?
[02:27] <hggdh> er, s/clock/cloak/
[03:30] <BuffaloSoldier> Hi hggdh, i am sorry for not being specific earlier. Yes, ubuntu cloak.
[03:38] <hggdh> BuffaloSoldier: please send me an email *via* launchpad.net. You have to be logged in your LP account to do that. My id at LP is hggdh2. We have to verify you are indeed the owner of the accoun
[03:45] <BuffaloSoldier> hggdh: I just sent you a message via launchpad
[03:46] <hggdh> BuffaloSoldier: got it, thank you.
[03:46] <Unit193> .
[03:50] <hggdh> BuffaloSoldier: you are all set. Thank you for your patience
[04:02] <BuffaloSoldier> hggdh: Thank you very much. No need to thank me, you have been very helpful and efficient :-)


[11:38] <lapo> yo
[12:02] <bersace> lapo: hi
[12:03] <lapo> ciao bersace
[02:25] <troy_s> greetz
[02:34] <PingunZ> hey troy_s
[02:35] <troy_s> PingunZ!
[02:35] <troy_s> How are you?
[02:35] <PingunZ> I'm doing fine, thanks
[02:35] <PingunZ> You ?
[02:35] <troy_s> A little busy.
[02:35] <PingunZ> ^^
[03:09] <lapo> yo troy_s
[03:09] <lapo> ciao AndyFitz
[03:10] <lapo> AndyFitz: uhm...why are you not sleeping? :-)
[03:10] <AndyFitz> ohwdy lapo
[03:10] <AndyFitz> I'm in westford MA  right now :)
[03:10] <AndyFitz> my friends have just come back from their friday night
[03:38] <lapo> AndyFitz: wow, cool, a redhat netmask, do you work there now?
[03:39] <lapo> s/there/for them/ eventually
[03:41] <AndyFitz> oh yeah,  I work for them back home in brisbane..  just visiting this office since I was at the gnome summit in boston
[03:41] <lapo> cool, I didn't know you were a redhat agent :-)
[04:03] <AndyFitz> lapo,  yeah shadowman is my boss now
[04:04] <AndyFitz> its kinda cool being able to justly wear those funky hats
[04:17] <AnAnt> I found a solution for the art reversion thing
[04:17] <AnAnt> I installed the old versions and set their state to hold
[05:57] <effraie> hello all
[05:57] <effraie> something new about reversion?
[05:57] <effraie> my mail is down...
[06:19] <PingunZ> kwwii, Do you have a few minutes for me ? I'd like to know where to start for a new theme. :)
[06:20] <PingunZ> I'm planning to propose a themeteam for edgy+1 .. but I want to make some previews / maybe some real artwork :)
[06:33] <PingunZ> I guess not :)
[06:43] <kwwii> PingunZ: sure
[06:43] <PingunZ> Oki, pm ?
[06:43] <kwwii> ok
[08:34] <PingunZ> kwwii, can I pm you again, I need to ask you a favor :)
[08:34] <PingunZ> It won't take long, I promise :)
[08:34] <kwwii> PingunZ: I gotta run to the station to pick up my wife....be back in half an hour, ok?
[08:35] <PingunZ> No prob
[08:35] <PingunZ> ping me when you're back ;)
[08:36] <kwwii> ok
[09:26] <PingunZ> kwwii, back yet ?
[09:27] <kwwii> re
[09:27] <PingunZ> can I pm ? :)
[09:27] <kwwii> yepp
[09:58] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png  <--ideas anyone?
[09:59] <kwwii> (just the pic on the left, not the menu itslef :p )
[10:13] <andreasn> make it more subtle perhaps?
[10:13] <kwwii> yeah, I am doing that now
[10:13] <andreasn> right now it screams "Hey, look at me!"
[10:14] <PingunZ> In some way that is what I said too :)
[10:28] <Viper550> For artwork, think we could just have a new wallpaper and just polish what we have?
[10:35] <Viper550> got my new email?
[11:10] <Viper550> anyone here?!?!
[11:11] <kwwii> hehe
[11:11] <Viper550> I'm trying to get my port of Dapper's Usplash to be included in Edgy, since we are using Dapper's art now
[11:41] <kwwii> ok, check out the difference between http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap.png and http://sinecera.de/kmenu_snap2.png
[11:41] <kwwii> tell me which one is better
[11:44] <BHSPitLappy> kwwii, it really depends on being able to see the whole desktop in the pic
[11:45] <andreasn> the first one strike me as saner
[11:46] <andreasn> less distracting
[11:47] <kwwii> the really hard thing about this pic is that it is greyscale and then colorized with the theme color
[11:47] <kwwii> so it is very hard to simply do what you want
[11:47] <andreasn> oh


[03:33] <tjaalton> doko: yep, in xenial at least
[03:34] <tjaalton> doko: but forcing -O2 fixed it
[11:34] <flavian> Hello, I am quite new into building deb packages, and I have a problem while building some deb packages for a PPA, I am using a cmake project, and after it compiles I am selecting what files to deliver into separate packages with .install files. How can I explicitly tell where it should install those files, for example for one package (after I do dpkg -c ) I have:
[11:34] <flavian> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2017-05-17 12:46 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2017-05-17 12:46 ./usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2017-05-17 12:46 ./usr/share/ drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2017-05-17 12:46 ./usr/share/doc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2017-05-17 12:46 ./usr/share/doc/libmraa-java/ -rw-r--r-- root/root      2232 2017-05-16 18:16 ./usr/share/doc/libmraa-java/copyright -rw-r--r-- root/root       181 20
[11:35] <flavian> -rw-r--r-- root/root     30662 2017-05-17 12:46 ./usr/lib/lib/java/mraa.j
[11:36] <flavian> I would like to only have  /usr/lib/java/mraa.java, is there a way to midify/config this?
[11:47] <flavian> nevermind, I found my answer :D
[14:02] <mirak> hi
[14:03] <mirak> please allow to no install grub bootsector at the end of the installation. What I do is grub-install --no-bootsector /dev/null . I need that because I do a multiboot with grub chainloading on LVM
[14:04] <mirak> I need "multiboot core.img" because you can't embed a bootloader in lvm partitions
[15:34] <nacc> rbasak: just checking in on a git sync
[15:35] <rbasak> nacc: I'm almost ready with the empty directory workaround. But have the certbot meeting in 25 minutes.
[15:35] <nacc> rbasak: ack, are you EOD after that?
[15:36] <rbasak> nacc: nominally, but I should be able to find some time to chat this evening. Just not exactly sure when. Is short notice OK?
[15:37] <nacc> rbasak: yep
[17:15] <rbalint> why don't we have greasemonkey anymore in Ubuntu?
[17:16] <rbalint> the version in sid works nicely
[17:17] <nacc> rbalint: my guess, it was deleted manaully and maybe it's blacklisted from the sync?
[17:17] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/greasemonkey/+publishinghistory
[17:17] <nacc> deleted by pitti on 1/13/2011
[17:17] <nacc> unsupportable Mozilla extension, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/extension-list
[17:19] <jbicha> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt
[17:19] <infinity> rbalint: Yeah, we don't ship any firefox extensions because they're next to impossible to maintain with the constant security updates.
[17:20] <infinity> (If you see any we do ship, that's a bug, and they should be removed and blacklisted :P)
[17:20] <jbicha> infinity: on the other hand, we probably do actually ship several Firefox extensions now because I don't think that list has been maintained?
[17:20] <infinity> jbicha: See above. :)
[17:21] <jbicha> personally, I'll just wait for Firefox 57 to break a bunch of them :|
[17:21] <infinity> Yeah, we have some.
[17:21] <Unit193> infinity: Block xul-ext-ubufox!
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> feel free
[17:22] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: what are the important features of ubufox?
[17:22] <nacc> jbicha: thanks for that link
[17:22] <infinity> jbicha: Pretty much outlined in the package description, I'd say.
[17:26] <rbalint> infinity: it seems i have to download them to sid then
[17:26] <infinity> rbalint: Or install extensions via the extention interface in firefox.  *shrug*
[17:26] <infinity> That seems more sensible to me than installing them system-wide anyway.
[17:27] <mdeslaur> doko: I'm stealing your bash merge
[17:27] <doko> mdeslaur: just that? ;-/
[17:28] <mdeslaur> doko: nice try :)
[17:29] <rbalint> infinity: i prefer packaged versions because i trust them more and i can also list them in my puppet config for desktop
[17:33] <infinity> rbalint: Trust level is debatable, but as for puppet configs, I'd expect your entire ~ to be in a VCS anyway, if you're that sort of person, so extensions would follow you around. :)
[18:54] <nacc> rbasak: fyi, i just did a merge (php7.1) with the namespace branch and it all worked ... i think we do want a pushurl by default, though, as it's annoying to have to type it out (presuming permissinos, it is nice to be able to do `git push ubuntu-origin <upload tag>`
[18:57] <rbasak> nacc: \o/
[18:57] <rbasak> nacc: I'm just getting dinner. HO in 20-30 minutes?
[18:57] <nacc> rbasak: sounds good
[19:25] <rbasak> nacc: ready when you are
[19:27] <nacc> rbasak: ack, want to just use the team HO?
[19:27] <rbasak> Sure. I'll be there in a minute.
[19:28] <rbasak> nacc: I'm there. Are you there? :)
[19:29] <nacc> rbasak: yeah it's just taking a while to join :)


[05:14] <mborzecki> morning
[05:24] <jamesh> hi mborzecki
[05:24] <mborzecki> jamesh: hey
[06:20] <mborzecki> pff asrock efi bios decided to randomly drop all my settings :/
[06:42] <mborzecki> mvo: hey, welcome back
[06:44] <mvo> hey mborzecki ! good morning
[07:02] <pstolowski> heyas!
[07:08] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey, welcome back
[07:10] <pstolowski> o/
[07:16] <pedronis> morning
[07:17] <mvo> pstolowski: hey, welcome back
[07:17] <mvo> pedronis: hello, nice to "see" you!
[07:17] <pstolowski> mvo: and likewise :)
[07:17] <pedronis> mvo: pstolowski: welcome back
[07:20] <pstolowski> how are things? thanks everyone for pushing my PRs forward!
[07:49]  * pstolowski finished reading standup notes for last 2 weeks
[07:57] <pstolowski> pedronis: you mentioned a change in preseed priorities for cpc (issue with snap-daemon vs system-key divergence) the other day?
[08:03] <zyga> mvo, hello, are you available for the 1:1 today?
[08:03] <mvo> zyga: yes, sry
[08:05] <pstolowski> hey zyga! how are you?
[08:05] <pedronis> pstolowski: yes, in general they were more worried about blockers bug than key divergence
[08:10] <pedronis> pstolowski: we still want to fix a couple of key divergence related things though
[08:12] <pstolowski> pedronis: i'm skimming over preseed chat but it's hard to get the bug picture; can we sync about that today?
[08:12] <pstolowski> s/bug/big
[08:12] <pedronis> pstolowski: they have workardounds for the bugs, we have a fix in snapd as well but it's waiting on security to review
[08:13] <pedronis> pstolowski: we can sync with Ian in the afternoon I suppose
[08:16] <pedronis> pstolowski: your oldest 3 PRs still open have some comments
[08:16] <pedronis> one is about splitting
[08:18] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes i remember, will update them today
[08:18] <pedronis> thx
[08:18] <pstolowski> pedronis: sounds good about sync with Ian
[08:19] <pstolowski> pedronis: also, AFAIU the work about snap debug preseeding has been concluded with Ian's PR?
[08:20] <pedronis> pstolowski: yes, it's on edge afaik
[08:20] <pstolowski> ok, great
[08:41] <zyga> pstolowski hey
[08:41] <zyga> pstolowski tired :)
[08:41] <zyga> we had a 1:1 with mvo and I'm just tired from standing
[08:41] <zyga> but I'm feeling much better
[08:42] <zyga> I need to go to the hospital again now so I'll see you guys later
[08:42] <zyga> two more visits before I can remove that thing
[08:42]  * zyga waves and goes away
[08:49] <pstolowski> zyga: good luck, happy to hear you're better!
[09:10] <pedronis> mvo: is this fix released https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1866424 you mentioned pushing a fix but never changed the state of ti
[09:10] <mup> Bug #1866424: refresh fails when gpio is not exported <mvo> <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866424>
[09:11] <mvo> pedronis: thanks, looking and will update accordingly
[09:17] <pedronis> mvo: also this recent changes affect/fix this https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1650688 (it seems to be open since forever) ?
[09:17] <mup> Bug #1650688: timedatectl set-timezone fails on UC16 <hwe> <Snappy:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1650688>
[09:21] <mup> PR snapd#9002 closed: o/snapstate: integrate free space checks with install/refresh and remove (3/N) <Disk space awareness> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by stolowski> <Closed by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9002>
[09:24] <mvo> pedronis: checking that now too
[09:31] <mup> PR snapd#9084 opened: o/snapstate: check disk space before creating automatic snapshot on remove (3/N) <Disk space awareness> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9084>
[09:38] <pedronis> mvo: this was decided right,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1883955 ? should I assign it to you?
[09:38] <mup> Bug #1883955: where should ubuntu-core-initramfs pull snap-bootstrap from <snapd:Triaged by pedronis> <ubuntu-core-initramfs:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1883955>
[09:43] <mup> Bug #1887760 changed: Installing snap app is not updating required content snap <snapd> <Snappy:Won't Fix by pedronis> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887760>
[09:44] <mvo> pedronis: I think so, I need to look at my notes/try-to-remember the details
[09:44] <mvo> pedronis: there was a bit of back-and-forth
[09:44] <pedronis> mvo: ok
[09:45] <pedronis> mvo: I moved it to you
[09:49] <mvo> pedronis: 1650688 timezonectl on uc16 is still an issue, I bet because there is a race with writable-path mounting things and when systemd looks for /etc/localtime
[09:53] <pedronis> fun
[09:55] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, pretty terrible
[10:02] <pedronis> mvo: isn't writeable-path run form the initrd?
[10:20] <mvo> pedronis: it's writing the mount units there but the actual mount happens later - it's actually worse, because etc/system/ is written in initrd already to avoid excatly a race like this. fwiw, the bug also happens on uc18 and (not tested yet) uc20
[10:44] <mvo> pedronis: hm, actually it bind mounts all /etc in initrd so the fact that timedatectl is wrong is puzzling
[11:16] <mborzecki> quick errand, back in 30
[11:27] <mup> PR snapd#9085 opened: daemon,many: switch to use client.ErrorKind and drop the local errorKind <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9085>
[11:27] <mvo> pedronis: \o/
[11:31] <mborzecki> re
[11:32] <mup> PR snapd#9086 opened: many: reorg cmd/snapinfo.go into snap and new client/clientutil <Cleanup :broom:> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9086>
[11:57] <mup> PR snapd#9087 opened: o/snapstate: check available disk space before downloading a snap on install (4/N) <Disk space awareness> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9087>
[12:35] <MikeRL> Anyone else notice the Thunderbird snap for some reason uses an old icon? Otherwise things are fine. At least on the edge channel. Looks antiquated. Can I manually replace it?
[13:59] <ijohnson> pstolowski: would you mind if we synced up tomorrow morning re: ubuntu-bartender to reproduce the issue with xenial mounting and things ?
[13:59] <pstolowski> ijohnson: yes, perfect, i'll look at version check first, thanks
[14:00] <ijohnson> sounds good I'll send a meeting invite then
[14:06] <cachio> cmatsuoka, hey
[14:06] <cachio> cmatsuoka, , https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9027/checks?check_run_id=931938026#step:5:6853
[14:06] <mup> PR #9027: tests: refresh/revert snapd in uc20 <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9027>
[14:06] <cachio> cmatsuoka, this is interesting
[14:06] <cmatsuoka> cachio: will check as soon as this meeting finishes
[14:07] <cachio> cmatsuoka, sure
[14:35] <jdstrand> zyga: hey, I don't recall if I mentioned this to you directly: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/alternate-home-workaround-request/18679/11
[14:44] <mvo> cachio: please beta-validate the current core update in beta, it's the update from xnox for the grub security fix
[14:44] <cachio> mvo, sure
[14:45] <mvo> thank you cachio
[14:45] <cachio> mvo, np
[14:46] <cmatsuoka> cachio: Hm, this is the same error you found last week I think
[14:48] <cmatsuoka> cachio: and again we had multiple boots there
[14:49] <cachio> cmatsuoka, yes
[14:50] <ijohnson> cmatsuoka: cachio: seems that my fix to use `ts` works, but then we have the issue that since I had the serial console go to stdout for a systemd service, we lose a lot of messages early on for some reason, I think we need to configure journald to keep more logs around or something, see https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/runs/940727015?check_suite_focus=true#step:5:958
[14:52] <cachio> ijohnson, interensting
[14:53] <ijohnson> yeah so if I can fix that journald issue to keep all the logs it would show the hang like cmatsuoka found in the logs directly
[14:58] <mup> PR snapd#9027 closed: tests: refresh/revert snapd in uc20 <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9027>
[14:59]  * cachio lunch


[01:37] <SynfulAck> Can anyone tell me why this is when i try to run the software update on ubuntu-mate-arm?
[01:37] <SynfulAck> https://imgur.com/a/I9fan
[02:41] <adam5isalive> Looks like you dont have enough space?
[02:59] <SynfulAck> yeah exactly.
[04:50] <swift110> hey all
[06:46] <hp> How do I fix sound on Toshiba chromebook 2 running Ubuntu Mate 16.04.3
[08:21] <swift110> no idea
[13:36] <mich1x> when i boot into windows after ubuntu mate my clock is 1 hour backwards
[13:36] <mich1x> how to fix this
[13:37] <diogenes_> mich1x, read this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/800914/clock-shows-wrong-time-after-switching-from-ubuntu-to-windows-10
[13:38] <mich1x> thanks
[13:38] <mich1x> and my final question
[13:38] <mich1x> how to enable midle mouse scroll like on windows?
[13:40] <mich1x> ff has this built in i think but chromium not
[13:41] <diogenes_> it's browser specific, not ubuntu
[13:41] <diogenes_> look in chromium settings maybe you will find something
[13:42] <mich1x> i think its os specific
[13:42] <diogenes_> you said that ff does have it
[14:45] <mich1x> Ubuntu changes hostname so for example i go to my router and my it detects my pc as ubuntu, how do i delete this
[16:13] <stooj> mich1x: What is the output when you run "hostname" in a terminal?
[16:13] <stooj> (without the quotes)
[18:23] <mate|1710> Bonjour j'aimerais savoir comment installer virtualBox sur mate 17.10
[18:24] <alkisg> !fr
[18:24] <mate|1710> merci :)
[18:24] <alkisg> np
[18:45] <nemo> not only that, mate is not a distro
[21:30] <Jet> hello world!
[21:31] <Jet> why is my system running so slow?
[21:31] <Jet> anyone?
[23:14] <b4udv8> m8 ist gr8!
[23:20] <birgir> So, many people here?
[23:21] <birgir> I am wondering how people use this chatgroup?
[23:21] <b4udv8> sez 86 users - dunno how many are active
[23:22] <birgir> ok.
[23:22] <birgir> Aaa yes I see were it counts the people
[23:23] <birgir> I just got tired of talking to people full of them self on facebook and wanted something real
[23:23] <b4udv8> agreed
[23:24] <b4udv8> I consider facebook "b*tchbook" - cuz that seems to be all people do is b*tch about something...