 Happy Wednesday, and happy Hug An Australian Day! 😃  🐨
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> just make sure they're not harbouring any poisonous native wildlife first...
[08:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G2lqY3Nuk0
[08:45] <JamesTait> davmor2, no Aussie connection though?
[08:45] <JamesTait> Focus on the hugs.
[08:45] <JamesTait> Not necessarily a bad policy.
[08:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:45] <brobostigon> woops,
[08:45] <JamesTait> brobostigon, 👋
[08:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: only cause Kylie didn't sing it
[08:46] <JamesTait> brobostigon, 👋
[08:46] <brobostigon> :)
[09:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning
[09:06] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon ?
[09:07] <brobostigon> not bad overall, just booked some theatre tickets for friday for me and my fiance, and you?
[09:08] <MooDoo> yeah not doing too bad, roll on friday, nice 3 day weekend :)
[09:09] <brobostigon> :)
[11:40] <foobarry> i totally forgot we had a bank holiday coming until my wife told me yesetrday
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> which she will fill with diy tasks that have accumulated over winter... :-)
[11:42] <TwistedLucidity> As I don't get Bank Holidays, I didn't know about it either. Have now booked it off.
[13:20] <etheretic> rollback
[13:38] <etheretic> anyone use kubuntu?
[13:38] <foobarry> no but i got the t-shirt
[13:39] <etheretic> congratulations.
[13:40] <etheretic> foo> the system icons looks like a early-80's mac se (bw) desktop version
[13:41] <etheretic> plus a dash cyan here and there.
[13:51] <TwistedLucidity> etheretic: Me. But I don't have the default UI settings.
[13:52] <etheretic> TwistedLucidity, what icon set do you use?
[13:53] <TwistedLucidity> Crikey, err....
[13:54] <TwistedLucidity> "Breeze", it seems.
[13:55] <TwistedLucidity> "Breeze" look and feel
[13:55] <TwistedLucidity> "Breeze Dark" desktop theme
[13:55] <TwistedLucidity> "Breeze" cursor theme
[13:56] <TwistedLucidity> So may well be more default than I thought
[14:00] <etheretic> in kde-ubuntu..
[14:02] <TwistedLucidity> Aye, Kubuntu 1604
[14:02] <TwistedLucidity> I might move to KDE Neon in a bit
[14:03] <etheretic> ..
[14:26] <etheretic> same bugger-ugly b/w system panel icons..
[14:37] <etheretic> TwistedLucidity, no change after swapping to breeze dark.
[14:40] <daftykins> you might get more in #kubuntu or #ubuntu
[14:42] <TwistedLucidity> Most of my notification icons are in B&W, the rest are in colour
[14:43] <TwistedLucidity> Maybe I have some misconfiguration and it's working by fluke?
[14:44] <TwistedLucidity> Whilst I like how KDE looks, I have always found it a nightmare to configure. There seems to be little logic to categories and little documentation that explains things clearly
[14:44] <etheretic> u have a point there.
[14:45] <etheretic> using a 10 yr old sony vaio which chokes on cinnamon (looks better).
[14:46] <daftykins> xubuntu would be a better fit than KDE
[14:46] <daftykins> well, xfce - to use the right term
[14:46] <etheretic> as to system demands?
[14:46] <daftykins> yeah
[14:46] <etheretic> hm
[14:47] <daftykins> what are the specs though? the old idea that Linux props up old machines is becoming a myth
[14:47] <etheretic> at lerst k(ubuntu) plays movies without hiccups.
[14:48] <daftykins> err that shouldn't be relevant to any given DE
[14:48] <etheretic> 1gb ram, intel phoenix (?) cpu. especially firefox eat up swap space, paralyzes the machine.
[14:50] <etheretic> daftykins, fact here. watching movies with smplayer in cinnamon = hiccups, plasma not.
[14:50] <daftykins> Phoenix BIOS hehe, that's not a CPU.
[14:50] <daftykins> etheretic: yeah that's a default packages and drivers situation, not a DE one.
[14:50] <daftykins> simply a coincidence
[14:51] <daftykins> 1GB RAM i wouldn't even try to use anymore
[14:51] <etheretic> daftykins, ah right, used to use acorns so i was a bit off intel (brands) back then.. ;D
[14:51] <daftykins> haha i had acorns during school, '96 through 2000
[14:52] <etheretic> "640k is enough for everybody." - Bill G.
[14:53] <etheretic> beautiful machines, the archimedeses and riscpcs.
[14:53] <daftykins> i think that quote is stupid, because everyone makes claims that are invalidated sooner or later
[14:53] <etheretic> lightspeed..
[14:54] <foobarry> acorn user here too
[14:55] <etheretic> font anti-aliasing was a great boon back then. more or less wysiwyg.
[14:56] <etheretic> as opposed to windos/mac (then)
[14:56] <daftykins> not sure what methods you mean they used, subpixel rendering is what's used with LCD tech nowadays
[14:58] <etheretic> putting in greytones around the lines to make them look smooth. it worked/works.
[14:58] <etheretic> s/lines/curves
[14:59] <daftykins> i guess that's the old CRT approach, same deal with subpixel rendering except it makes use of the fractional pixels beside on LCDs
[15:00] <etheretic> but i'm still up the creek re. b&w system panel icons..
[15:00] <daftykins> is it really worth trying to resolve when KDE on such a spec machine is a masochistic choice?
[15:01] <daftykins> i give away machines with 4GB RAM these days
[15:02] <etheretic> not sure there is space for xfce
[15:02] <diddledan> that quote is also silly because afaict nobody has proven he said ity
[15:02] <etheretic> on the hd *100gb(
[15:02] <daftykins> well don't put it on top, wipe it for xubuntu
[15:02] <daftykins> or just try a live session :> oh wait yeah 1GB RAM would suck even for a live session...
[15:02] <diddledan> AND, the 640KB wasn't a DOS limitation, it was a limitation on the 8086 CPU IIRC
[15:02] <daftykins> diddledan: heh that's amusing
[15:03] <diddledan> it wasn't until the 286 came along that PCs could address higher rams
[15:03] <etheretic> the very idea!
[15:04] <diddledan> I was looking into it a week or so ago because I fancied trying a homebrew ram card on my old PC1640
[15:04] <diddledan> but that's an 8086 CPU so I believe it won't work
[15:04] <etheretic> b. g. visited acorn in camby early 80s, were shown an econet network, asked @\"what's a network?" that's innovation that is.
[15:05] <diddledan> heh, network wasn't a thing in microsoft's eyes until windows 3.11 and NT3.51 came along
[15:05] <diddledan> but netware beat them to the punch in the early years
[15:06] <diddledan> my college in 1999/2000 still used netware on XP clients!!
[15:06] <etheretic> they've always been plagiarizing tech.
[15:06] <daftykins> XP wasn't out 'til 2001
[15:06] <diddledan> shush!
[15:07] <daftykins> diddledan, noted time traveller ;D
[15:07] <diddledan> :-p
[15:07] <diddledan> I wonder what we were using then, it was definitely not 9x/me
[15:07] <daftykins> heh i often imagine how neat it would be to travel back and demo some modern tech at a consumer electronics show
[15:07] <daftykins> blow their minds!
[15:07] <diddledan> and I'm sure it wasn't NT. must have been 2k?
[15:08] <daftykins> could be!
[15:08] <diddledan> daftykins: computershow!
[15:08] <daftykins> wat
[15:08] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDAs245Gu1JX0hy8MPgiKRQ
[15:09] <diddledan> lovely parody of the computer chronicles
[15:09] <diddledan> chronicals
[15:09] <diddledan> htf do you speeel that?
[15:09] <daftykins> chronicles
[15:09] <diddledan> it looks odd
[15:09] <daftykins> :D
[15:09] <etheretic> went to acorn user shows in harrogate/london in 97/98. very enlightening. 8)
[15:10] <diddledan> I had a school friend who avidly played on our tutor's BBC Micro in break time - his game of choice was chuckie egg
[15:10] <etheretic> microserfs :D
[15:11] <etheretic> diddledan, no elite?
[15:11] <diddledan> nah
[15:11] <diddledan> I used to play elite though, on my home PC
[15:11] <daftykins> wouldn't last 5 minutes now of course, "oh your OS is in ROM and you can't get security fixes? oh dear"
[15:11] <diddledan> I was bad
[15:12] <diddledan> daftykins: surely they just ship you the patchrom
[15:12] <etheretic> sec fixes are moot when you're rom'ed.
[15:12] <diddledan> roms on top of roms :-p
[15:12] <daftykins> er, no, no they're not :P
[15:13] <diddledan> they should design them to be stackable so that you can load a patchrom onto an earlier rom
[15:13] <etheretic> or use eproms
[15:13] <diddledan> and every 6 months they ship you a full replacement rom so you can lower the stack to one layer again
[15:13] <daftykins> but they're only capable of x flashes
[15:14] <diddledan> I'd hate to get a ROM virus
[15:14] <diddledan> imagine it - someone gives you a fake patchrom which loads malware instead
[15:14] <etheretic> oh ah. let's go optic/holographic with fractal compression and never look back.
[15:15] <diddledan> the compression is useless unless it's middle-out
[15:15] <diddledan> these guys invented the idea: http://www.piedpiper.com/
[15:16] <etheretic> btw, any of you live in the Solent area?
[15:16] <diddledan> yup. amazingstoke.
[15:16] <etheretic> that close to hempschmire?
[15:16] <diddledan> right on the edge of the solent region, but still just about
[15:17] <etheretic> i'm in oslo btw.
[15:18] <daftykins> yesterday i had to fight .NET 4 onto a friends machine solely to run Brother's printer driver *installer*
[15:18] <diddledan> oh, just down the road
[15:18] <daftykins> they even wrapped up their files so you couldn't just extract and pinch the driver portion out
[15:18] <daftykins> evil!
[15:18] <diddledan> haha
[15:18] <diddledan> I mean, aww
[15:19] <etheretic> must go
[15:20] <daftykins> i first snagged Brother's firmware update tool, but it only functions if you have the printer installed
[15:20] <daftykins> you can't just point it to an IP...
[15:57] <cydia> loskey
[15:58] <Guest18488> hi
[15:58] <daftykins> lo
[15:58] <Guest18488> lol
[15:59] <Guest18488> asl?
[15:59] <daftykins> try a bit more of a grown up question
[15:59] <Guest18488> alright
[16:00] <Guest18488> where iam?
[16:00] <daftykins> the topic explains it well enough, plus you chose to come here
[16:02] <Guest18488> are you on facebook?
[16:02] <TwistedLucidity> No, I'm on a chair
[16:05] <daftykins> Guest18488: either start making sense or leave
[16:06] <Guest18488> the problem with somepeople............
[16:07] <TwistedLucidity> Is they don't know which IRC channel they are on?
[16:09] <jammm> Blah Blah Blah
[16:10] <jammm> remember to be nice to yourself too
[20:53] <foobarry> i see Guest* as the same as twitter egg avatars..
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> or someone locked in a battle of wits with their irc client and nickserv... #cueTrekFightingMusic
[20:56] <diddledan> da da dooo doooo dooooo diddledum
[21:04] <diddledan> https://www.thurrott.com/windows/109962/windows-bloated-thanks-adobes-extensible-metadata-platform
[21:10] <daftykins> y'linked that one t'other night :>
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> it is interesting to see were metadata leads as we often hear governments claim that there's no harm in them collecting such tiny amounts of data...
[21:12] <daftykins> can only imagine the bit barn needed to hoard even that, mmm
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> they store it in taxi cab net on usb drives they free from trade shows... the data constantly circling london waiting to be retrieved...
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> brilliant... :-) https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/picture-this-senate-staffers-id-cards-have-photo-of-smart-chip-no-security/
[23:20] <diddledan> interesting breakdown of how to program a character lcd: https://youtu.be/hZRL8luuPb8


[02:48] <bazhang> geitenneukers
[02:48] <bazhang> offensive?
[02:51] <pangolin> I would say so
[02:51] <bazhang> it's alteregoa, so not surprising
[04:45] <Amaranth> @comment 47953 joined and immediately started spamming large quantities of obscene text
[04:45] <Amaranth> Does that not work anymore?
[04:46] <bazhang> its @comment #channel message
[04:52] <syrinx_> where do i go to ask for an unban?
[04:52] <bazhang> here
[04:53] <syrinx_> should I just make my case, or ask for a reprieve now?
[04:53] <bazhang> why were you banned syrinx_ and from which channel
[04:54] <bazhang> a bit busy atm, so forgive me if I am slow in responding
[04:54] <syrinx_> bazhang: I was banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic from ikonia, after asking him to "permaban" me
[04:54] <syrinx_> and in my defense, I asked to be banned from #u-o, not #ubunutu
[04:55] <syrinx_> also in my defense, I understand what I did wrong, and wish to be unbanned from #u-o as well.
[04:56] <bazhang> which was?
[04:56] <syrinx_> I said something in #u-o that was inappropriate, sure. i protested with ikonia about it, and it got to the point where i requested a permaban.
[04:56] <syrinx_> i figured he would only ban me from #u-o, not #ubuntu as well
[04:57] <syrinx_> i used to help out alot in #ubuntu, and never broke its rules.
[04:57] <syrinx_> I also note that just before this, I signed the CoC and applied for "ops"
[05:02] <syrinx_> I would also make the case that, quite a few people in here, including you, bazhang, would forgive me of this small foul-up.
[05:02] <bazhang> syrinx_, still checking the ban tracker, am a bit busy with some massive spam flood issues
[05:03] <syrinx_> of course, carry on with your business.
[05:25] <bazhang> syrinx_, none of the -ot operators seem to be around right now that I can tell. perhaps if you check back in a bit some will turn up
[05:25] <bazhang> apologies for being less than attentive
[05:27] <syrinx_> should I stay here, or just leave and come back tomorrow?
[05:33] <bazhang> syrinx_, your ban in #ubuntu has been removed. as far as -ot should be a couple of hours if you wish to return then (we dont encourage idlers here)
[05:34] <syrinx_> bazhang: thanks!
[05:37] <Tm_T> hm
[05:38] <Tm_T> bazhang: you got banmask for -ot?
[05:40] <bazhang>  *!*@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893    Tm_T
[05:40] <Tm_T> danke
[05:40] <bazhang> prego
[08:54] <mrmist> silly floodbot
[10:20] <LjL> hmm, so #bash recommends against the !ABS. they have http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide instead
[10:21] <Jordan_U> I trust #bash, and I personally like http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide. I hadn't heard of ABS until just now.
[10:22] <Myrtti> well abs is in package management...
[10:22] <LjL> !-abs
[10:22] <LjL> !bash
[10:23] <LjL> well http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide  is linked from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[10:23] <Myrtti> I'm not taking a stance for or against abs, I'm just commenting it is in the repos
[10:24] <LjL> !abs
[10:24] <LjL> add "a simpler guide can be found at  http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide"?
[10:26] <Jordan_U> Well if it's really as bad as the #bash factoid says it is then we shouldn't be linking to ABS at all.
[10:27] <LjL> yet it's well more comprehensive
[10:27] <Jordan_U> For the benefit of others, that in #bash !abs returns: The infamous "Advanced" Bash Scripting Guide should be avoided unless you know how to filter out the junk. It will teach you to write bugs, not scripts. In that light, the BashGuide was written: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[10:33] <Jordan_U> I haven't found anything terrible yet myself from a quick overview, but they don't quote variables as much as I'd like and this is certainly wrong along with other comments in the same area:  "#! can be omitted if the script consists only of a set of generic system commands, using no internal shell directives. The second example, above, requires the initial #!, since the variable assignment line, lines=50, uses a shell-specific construct. [7] Note ...
[10:33] <Jordan_U> ... again that #!/bin/sh invokes the default shell interpreter, which defaults to /bin/bash on a Linux machine."
[10:34] <Tm_T> urgh
[10:35] <Tm_T> no, sh is just sh, not bash, one cannot rely on that ever
[10:35]  * Tm_T goes nuts
[10:35] <popey> no, sh points to dash on ubuntu
[10:35] <Jordan_U> Exactly.
[10:35] <popey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 29 19:53 /bin/sh -> dash
[10:36] <Tm_T> popey: yup, my point being if someone uses sh, it's sh, doesn't matter if it happens to be bash, dash or anything
[10:36] <Tm_T> if someone uses bash then, one have to make sure it's really bash and not "just some sh"
[10:36] <popey> well, i think they're just making an assumption
[10:36] <popey> which was fairly accurate 4 years ago
[10:37] <Tm_T> one shouldn't assume that ever
[10:37] <Tm_T> if you ask me
[10:38] <Tm_T> and I'll stop now before I begin ranting about assuming browsers uses white backgroung and black text by default (:
[10:38] <Myrtti> oh I know that
[10:38] <popey> hence "fairly accurate" and not "accurate"
[10:38] <Myrtti> don't let me start on that
[10:38] <popey> people have black background on their browsers!? :D
[10:38]  * Myrtti goes to write to offbeathome.com editors
[10:38]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti tightly to prevent her starting on thaty
[10:38] <Tm_T> -y
[10:39] <Tm_T> popey: yes?
[10:39] <Tm_T> popey: or red, or green, or whatever
[10:39] <popey> oddballs ☺
[10:41] <Jordan_U> I vote for not linking to this guide, based on the strong words from #bash (whose advice I trust highly) and additionally supported by my being able to find something wrong enough to almost encite an op to rant while skimming through it at 3:40 AM :)
[10:41] <popey> hah
[10:42] <Myrtti> popey: well I subscribe to offbeathome.com RSS on my Google Reader. My phone pulls that feed from google reader to an app with black background and white text. They've been mucking something up and so I can see only the pictures on my phone, and an odd link here and there, the rest is black.
[10:45] <Tm_T> yeah, if you define text colour, define background too
[10:46] <Tm_T> (best is to not define them at all if possible)
[11:07] <syrinx_> so...the system doesnt work?
[11:11] <Tm_T> what system doesn't work?
[11:12] <Tm_T> and hi syrinx_
[11:14] <syrinx_> hi Tm_T
[11:15] <syrinx_> apparently, ikonia doesn's feel that I deserve to be unbanned from #u-o
[11:15] <syrinx_> so he re-banned me
[11:15] <Tm_T> we evaluate the situation based on the information we have in that moment, if new information is gained at later point, we re-evaluate ofcourse.
[11:15] <Tm_T> makes sense?
[11:16] <syrinx_> sure
[11:16] <syrinx_> i'm inclined to believe this is more of a personal vendetta, though]
[14:48] <bazhang> anyone eat cheese?
[14:49] <bazhang> please tell me this type, oh and I use ubuntu so its on topic
[14:49]  * genii-around sprays the whole can of Easy Cheese at bazhang
[14:50] <bazhang> :0
 u can help me how to run ubuntu like in my windows
[14:54] <bazhang> after he announces he's going back to windows
[15:01] <bazhang> getting a bit annoyed at the cross posters from +1 asking for help in #u
[15:02] <bazhang> ask...wait five seconds...crosspost...I didnt get any help!!
[15:02] <ikonia> tedious
[15:03] <ikonia> people expect the pre-production systems to be production ready too soon
[15:03] <bazhang> sliptees has been told numerous times about this, yet persists
[15:03] <bazhang> why would someone use early beta if not to fix things
[15:04] <ikonia> this is the issue, they don't want to fix things, they want it to be production ready and you to have answers to their problems
[15:04] <Pici> they want to be on the bleeding edge.
[15:04] <ikonia> but want the stability of non-bleeding edge
[15:11] <mneptok> same thing most people want from a relationship.
[15:31] <bazhang> !de-offtopic
[15:31] <Pici> !offtopic-#ubuntu-de
[15:31] <Pici> :/
[15:34]  * genii-around gets "There is no nonsence Deutschspachlige here, unless you want to banniert nature. Actually, I will be your bannieren anyway." from the online translator
[16:41] <fujisan> i refuse to accept it
[16:41] <fujisan> i am here to protest
[16:41] <fujisan> the injustice which occurred in #ubuntu-nl-offtopic
[16:42] <bazhang> fujisan, thats -irc not here
[16:42] <bazhang> augh
[16:47] <fujisan> still protesting in silence now :-x
[16:47] <bazhang> fujisan, #ubuntu-irc for this


 Ecist any solution to the NVidia driver on clean kubuntu instalation????
 Exist any solution to the NVidia driver problem on clean kubuntu instalation????
[00:54] <OerHeks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list - or go wild with auto install vga/wireless/bt drivers:  sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[00:54] <OerHeks> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
 All this give me a black screen when I reboot
 Is a problem of all ubuntu distributions
 I reported this kind of NVidia driver issue here one mount ago, someone of your team give as solution a driver downgrade
 Now the problem os bigger
[00:59] <OerHeks> hmm, there are boot options in case of nvidia blackuouts and such
[00:59] <OerHeks> ubottu> A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[01:00] <OerHeks> if this does not work, blacklist nouveau
[01:01] <OerHeks> * before installing nvidia
[01:01] <OerHeks> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-nouveau-nvidia-driver-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[01:22] <terrible> hello it is possible to rename one folder with all the files inside that folder with the mv command???
[01:29] <Eric_Adams> terrible: Yes. The mv command will rename the folder and leave the contents as-is.
[01:37] <terrible> Eric_Adams: but how can i rename all the file inside that folder
[01:37] <terrible> ??
[01:41] <Eric_Adams> terrible: So you want to rename the folder and the files or just the folder?
[01:43] <terrible> Eric_Adams: i want to remane the folder and all the files inside
[01:46] <Eric_Adams> I would suggest using something like rename for multiple files - https://linuxhandbook.com/rename-multiple-files/
[01:47] <Eric_Adams> There may be a way to do both at the same time but I don't know myself.
[01:53] <terrible> Eric_Adams: ok thank you
[01:54] <terrible> rename command is the solution
 You send me a solution of ubuntu 10.10, 3 mounths ago, this problem no exist with ubuntu 18.04. I had set nomodeset, but late a lots change black to normal screen. Kubuntu say that is a friendly computing,this is not.  Pride for own right work is important, the rest is to be a mediocre. oftware … for so much stupidity I better install gentoo or slackware, there is not so much circus as in its friendly computing the only
 @NewUser3671152667, I might be able to assist with the driver issue.  By chance do you have a laptop with both NVidia and Intel graphics?
 No, only NVidia graphics, first time that happen that with the same computer. I have never had this problem with the same equipment before. in fact install kubuntu on the same computer 3 months ago, also installing the nvidia driver. The only problem was that when opening some applications, kwin broke but rebooted. I reported it here and gave me the bug and great idea of making a driver downgrade. I read that this solu
 came the update of the kernel 18.0.24 and everything was worse Until now install kubuntu of new and research and read the serious problems of ubuntu with the nvidia drivers
 @OerHeks> ubottu, carry out the recommendation offered by configuring the file, etc/default/grub and change de Libe ￼ … ￼ ￼ ￼ … ￼ … How to set NOMODESET and other kernel boot options in grub2 … Thread: How to set NOMODESET and other kernel boot options in grub2 … Tags: boot options, grub2, napic, nolapic,nomodeset …<PHONE_NUMBER>011 … FirstLast … ￼ … P4man said:November 4th, 2010 … How to
 Carry out the recommendation given here, but that was made in 2011 in ubuntuforum (I only saw gksudo and I knew it was old and very probably would not work). I set the file etc/default/grub in the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset acpi_osi=\"Linux\"".  No point in ranting here.
 Your great mind thinks that failures are unique and are not shared and from different sources. Right?.  The fact that something is wrong only justifies a mediocre person to be wrong too. Only ubuntu distros with KDE plasma desktop have this problem with nvidia cards. The composer of kde has problems to be synchronized with the
[08:31] <RikMills> !language
 Many people are scandalized with the form and not with the scope. They give more importance to bad words than to bad reality or bad software. The simulation for presenting itself as correct...
[08:57] <RikMills> @NewUser3671152667 there is no excuse for that sort of language on our channels. please refrain
 Hey @NewUser3671152667 are you aware of the somewhoat weird versioning of NVIDIA drivers? which version yiu need to install depends on the card you are using. A higher version number might be for a newer card and a lower number can be actually the newer driver.
 Excuses ???, I did not say excuses, I said reasons. When do you want to correct the language of others but do not know the meaning of your own words lol
[09:10] <RikMills> There is no good reason either.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:54] <viewer|10> hi
[14:55] <viewer|10> can someone help how to mount iphone to kubunutu
[15:12] <BluesKaj> !kdesudo
[15:12] <BluesKaj> !kdesu
[15:13] <BluesKaj> !info kdesu
[15:20] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, how does one filter those <IrcsomeBot> guests?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, ignore I guess
[15:21] <BluesKaj> they're using telegram
[15:21] <OerHeks> i have not read one sensible support issue from those .. oh oke
[17:52] <ca_cabotage> how do i use the live cd to get into system repair options?
 i have the emergency mode issue, can someone asist me?
[17:54] <ca_cabotage> i'm on kubuntu 19.04, and booting into the live CD, I can only install or try it out - if i try it out it just goes into a desktop. if i go with install i see no options to repair - only install
 ca_cabotage: what part do you need to repair?
[17:56] <ca_cabotage> grub
 you could install boot repair in the live desktop and run it from there
 `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair`
 `sudo apt-get install boot-repair`
 then run boot-repair from the menu
 the installation of boot-repair will not be persistant, next time you boot into the desktop from the usb it will be gon
[18:00] <ca_cabotage> thank you
 I've had mixed results with boot-repair, but it should handle a grub reinstall reasonably well
 Heyo, quick question... I thought I stumbled on an official wiki/doc that shows the diff between normal vs minimal installation. Anyone have it offhand, can't seem to find the link.
[22:02] <Thr0r> Hi! I have Kubuntu 19,04 and Plasma 5,16,2. Good. But I have added the "simple calulator" Widget to my Panel and that is working fine - it's just that I cannot read the results of the calculations because the text is dark grey and the background of the display is dark grey.. Who would create a calculator like that? Is there a fix for this?
[22:06] <Thr0r> Kcalc works fine but...
[22:56] <valorie> Thr0r: I just use krunner
[22:56] <valorie> alt+space and type
[23:01] <valorie> Thr0r: I'm not familiar with this calculator -- did you get it from the kde store, or what?
[23:02] <valorie> even if you are going to get rid of it, might be good to file a bug report/give some feedback
[23:02] <valorie> depending on where and how you installed it
[23:03] <Thr0r> valorie: OK - I will. I just clicked "Add widget" on the panel and dragged it to my panel...
[23:03] <valorie> yeah
[23:03] <valorie> not exactly sure where those come from
[23:04] <valorie> probably you can find it here
[23:04] <valorie> https://store.kde.org/
[23:04] <valorie> but people can upload their own stuff there
[23:05] <valorie> and as long as it's malware free, it's there...
[23:05] <valorie> I'm not seeing "simple calculator" though
[23:06] <Thr0r> ok - I will just stick to the standards - And I presume the widgets offered are cleared
[23:06] <valorie> of course
[23:07] <Thr0r> It's just called "Calculator" "calculate simple sums"
[23:30] <Thr0r> northwood: I see you connect and disconnect all the time - what is it that you are trying to do?  If you are wondering if this works it does :-)
[23:42] <valorie> people have trouble with their connections sometimes
[23:42] <valorie> if it annoys you, you can turn off "show joins and parts" in most clients
[23:44] <Thr0r> Ok - no it's fine.. It's just if someone had problems - we could help maybe. I remember when I tried Konversation the first time.. After using Pidgin before..
[23:46] <valorie> mostly it happens when they are away from their computers
[23:53] <Thr0r> ok. I saw there is a #kde-plasmamobile channel - not very active.. But does that mean I can run Kubuntu/Plasma on my mobile phone?
[23:53] <valorie> well, some phones
[23:54] <valorie> however, it's not gone far enough to be a good alternative yet
[23:54] <valorie> they do welcome testers though!
[23:54] <Thr0r> Iphone5?
[23:54] <valorie> no
[23:54] <valorie> apple makes that basically impossible
[23:55] <Thr0r> ok - Android only I suppose..


[02:00] <callmepk> good morning
[02:00] <sarnold> hey callmepk
[02:01] <callmepk> hi sarnold
[06:07] <didrocks> good morning
[06:12] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[06:12] <duflu> Also hi callmepk
[06:14] <jibel> hi all
[06:14] <didrocks> hey duflu, salut jibel
[06:14] <callmepk> Hi didrocks duflu jibel
[06:14] <duflu> Hi jibel
[06:14] <didrocks> hey callmepk
[06:54] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[06:55] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[07:14] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:18] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:18] <oSoMoN> happy Friday!
[07:23] <didrocks> joyeux vendredi oSoMoN !
[07:28] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:36] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu didrocks oSoMoN
[07:36] <oSoMoN> hey marcustomlinson
[07:42] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[07:42] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:49] <luna_> morning
[07:51] <pieq>  Morning desktoppers!
[07:52] <pieq> Seb is not here, but maybe oSoMoN, duflu, marcustomlinson or didrocks would know:
[07:52] <pieq> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/-/issues/832#note_511010
[07:52] <pieq> It's an issue I raised a while ago (I ran into it a few days ago again while upgrading my desktop from bionic to focal)
[07:53] <oSoMoN> morning luna_
[07:53] <oSoMoN> salut pieq
[07:53] <pieq> There seems to be a fix that's gonna land soon. Do you think we could pick up this fix for 20.04.1?
[07:53] <pieq> (assuming it works, gets merged, etc.)
[07:53] <pieq> (I mean merged in Pulseaudio)
[07:55] <duflu> pieq, yes I commented in your bug about that this week. I'm not in a hurry personally though. I would prefer to see a whole version number from upstream. But I'm not against anyone patching it either
[07:56] <duflu> Milestones don't really matter in this case -- it's not an install time issue and can get fixed in any update
[07:58] <pieq> duflu, it's just that 20.04.1 is the version that's gonna trigger the "Do you want to upgrade your 18.04 to 20.04?", so I assume a lot of people will upgrade at that moment, and since this issue is all about upgrading (it doesn't happen on a fresh install)...
[07:59] <duflu> pieq, fair point. Still, I personally don't have a strong opinion. Anyone who does can release the fix
[08:00] <Laney> moin
[08:01] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[08:01] <duflu> Morning Laney and luna_
[08:02] <didrocks> hey pieq
[11:16] <ogra> tjaalton, poke ...
[11:18] <ogra> tjaalton, my zoom snap seems to be very sluggish on a focal desktop with i915 ... i was wondering how forward/backward conpatible mesa is ... i.e. zoom ships based on core18 ... so it uses mesa 19.x while my desktop in focal uses mesa 20.x ...
[11:19] <ogra> i was wondering, if i'D move the zoom snap to a core20 base so it uses mesa 20.x ... would that be backwards compatible to i.e. not cause issues wen run on a 16.04 desktop with old mesa ?
[11:20] <tjaalton> ogra: shouldn't matter, but I doubt that's causing the sluggishness, or would fix it
[11:21] <tjaalton> but you'll have 20.0.x in bionic soon
[11:22] <tjaalton> it's in proposed
[11:22] <ogra> i saw there are some issues with kaby-lake i915 and Qt on certain kernels  ... but zoom seems to be the only sluggish app here ... other Qt apps and snaps seems to not expose that behaviour ... and it worked fine on 18.04 desktops as well as on 16.04
[11:22] <ogra> also we seem to be several versions ahead of that kernel version ... (5.3 was the one with issues iirc)
[11:23] <ogra> s/worked/works/
[11:24] <ogra> ah, great ... i'll re-build the zoom snap once it landed in bionic, then i can at least rule out mesa
[11:25] <ogra> it is really irritating ... zoom runs qtdiag on startup it it looks all fine (same output on all desktops) ... yet it behaves like molasses ... (even forcing LLVM via env variable makes it feel faster)
[13:26] <xnox> Laney:  do we expect snap-store snap to be seeded during early boot of the live session? and i.e. block showing "maybe ubiquity" screen?
[13:26] <xnox> also do we need to run tracker-store.service in live session?
[13:26] <xnox> those things seem to eat all of my CPU and RAM when trying to boot ubuntu desktop live session in a VM
[14:12] <Laney> I think fixing CPU and RAM eating bugs is more worthwhile, the live session is expected to be more or less full featured
[14:22] <KGB-2> mutter signed tags 9d69fbe Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.2-3ubuntu1 * mutter Debian release 3.36.2-3ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/ij8OV
[14:22] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 459fbed Marco Trevisan * pushed 10 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/iJhg
[14:22] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master a8da4fb Jeremy Bicha debian/libmutter-6-0.symbols * debian:libmutter-6-0.symbols: mark another Wayland symbol as Linux-specific * https://deb.li/4lvx
[14:22] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 5bc3213 Daniel van Vugt debian/patches/ series backend-x11-Reintroduce-XInitThreads.patch * Add backend-x11-Reintroduce-XInitThreads.patch * https://deb.li/3y2Lc
[14:22] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master d52cded Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/5So1
[14:22] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 463d293 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Finalise changelog * https://deb.li/3XsrN
[14:23] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 2650f22 Simon McVittie debian/ rules with-temp-xdg-runtime-dir * d/rules, d/with-temp-xdg-runtime-dir: Create temporary XDG_RUNTIME_DIR * https://deb.li/mcUR
[14:24] <Laney> |o/
[14:24] <Laney> \o|
[14:46] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:47] <luna_> heya
[14:47] <hellsworth> hi there luna_
[14:58] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:58] <hellsworth> hi there oSoMoN :)
[15:18] <KGB-2> mutter signed tags ad824ed Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.2-1ubuntu1_20.04.2 * mutter Debian release 3.36.2-1ubuntu1~20.04.2 * https://deb.li/3XDPM
[15:18] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal 150d220 Daniel van Vugt debian/patches/ series backend-x11-Reintroduce-XInitThreads.patch * Add backend-x11-Reintroduce-XInitThreads.patch * https://deb.li/JDB1
[15:18] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal 14b2e08 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/3m8KN
[15:18] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal d63f6fb Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Finalise changelog * https://deb.li/3UJ3V


[16:25] <chaynie> What's all this hoopla about a meeting tonight?
[16:26] <MichelleQ> yes... meeting tonight
[17:08] <jamalta> hi :)
[21:21] <ghuru> hello all. long time!


[00:57] <funkyHat> I'm looking at the ftbfs list and I decided to grab the lp repo of aria2, but the latest version in the changelog is not the same as the version on the ftbfs page
[00:58] <funkyHat> ftbfs page has 1.9.3-1 and the lp repo only has 1.8.0-1
[00:58] <funkyHat> What am I missing?
[00:59] <ajmitch> maverick has 1.9.3-1
[01:00] <funkyHat> ajmitch: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/maverick/aria2 was the command I used to branch
[01:02] <funkyHat> Actually I'm running maverick and at first I tried just lp:ubuntu/aria2, when the version didn't match up I removed the dir and tried again with lp:ubuntu/maverick/aria2
[01:03] <ajmitch> might be worth filing a bug then, it looks a bit broken
[01:03] <ajmitch> branch was last updated 4 weeks ago, package was updated 12 days ago
[01:03] <funkyHat> Is there a specific part I should file against, or just launchpad?
[01:04] <ajmitch> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/udd
[01:04] <ajmitch> iirc
[01:04] <funkyHat> Thanks
[01:04] <lifeless> udd please
[01:07] <funkyHat> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/586139
[01:09] <funkyHat> I'm not sure I've got all the relevant info there, but I'm not 100% sure how all of the bits fit together...
[01:16] <arand> How does one git clone over http from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git ? e.g. git clone http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/projects/scott/e2fsprogs.git just gives "nonexistent head"
[02:17] <psusi> arand, I think you need to use the git protocol, not http
[02:42] <arand> psusi: Hmm, well bummer, (blocking firewall :(  )
[04:32] <MTecknology> k0p: hi
[04:33] <MTecknology> k0p: sorry, wrong channel + tab complete
[07:19] <suji> hi
[07:22] <bilalakhtar> suji: hello. How can I help you?
[07:23] <suji> http://paragn.fedorapeople.org/iok-1.3.9-to-1.3.10.patch is this patch is enough for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iok/+bug/563635
[07:25] <bilalakhtar> suji: Sorry I can't help it. Rather I am feeling hungry because of your nick.
[07:25] <suji> bilalakhtar: http://paragn.fedorapeople.org/iok-1.3.9-to-1.3.10.patch is this patch is enough for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iok/+bug/563635
[07:25] <bilalakhtar> suji: If its working fine, then subscribe the ubuntu-sponsors team to this bug
[07:25] <suji> bilalakhtar: how to subscribe that?
[07:25] <bilalakhtar> suji: Before doing that, attach the patch to the bug report
[07:26] <bilalakhtar> suji: Then I will tell you how to do it
[07:26] <suji> bilalakhtar: ok, what should i name it for that patch?
[07:27] <bilalakhtar> suji: Name it anything you wish, like "Patch for fixing bug #NNNNN"
[07:27] <suji> bilalakhtar: am asking the file name iok-1.3.9.patch, right?
[07:28] <bilalakhtar> suji: No problem at all.
[07:28] <bilalakhtar> suji: Attached?
[07:28] <suji> bilalakhtar: now doing
[07:30] <suji> bilalakhtar: i did that, then
[07:30] <bilalakhtar> suji: Scroll to the to of the bug report, select "Subscribe someone else" in the right-hand side column
[07:31] <suji> bilalakhtar: to do this should i signin in launchpad?
[07:31] <bilalakhtar> suji: And then enter ubuntu-sponsors in the search box and select the first entry in the list.
[07:31] <bilalakhtar> suji: yea
[07:32] <suji> bilalakhtar: i did that, then
[07:33] <bilalakhtar> suji: You subscribed? Now, wait for a sponsor to catch up and get your patch into ubuntu.
[07:33] <bilalakhtar> suji: If you are impatient, ask a motu over here to do it for ya
[07:33] <suji> bilalakhtar: ok, i will wait for some time, then i will ask here.
[07:34] <bilalakhtar> suji: good
[07:35] <suji> bilalakhtar: should i change the status to confirmed or somewhat/
[07:36] <bilalakhtar> suji: Let it remain like this. When some sponsor takes up, he/she will set it to Fix Committed
[07:37] <suji> bilalakhtar: so the status is in progress , is that enough right?
[07:37] <bilalakhtar> suji: yes.
[07:40] <suji> bilalakhtar: ok fine, thank you.
[07:41] <bilalakhtar> suji: no problem.
[08:26] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <DeeJay1> morning dholbach
[08:40] <dholbach> hey DeeJay1
[09:20] <suji> dholbach: hi
[09:21] <dholbach> hi suji
[09:21] <suji> dholbach: still am struggling with to update the iok package
[09:22] <suji> dholbach: now i file  a bug for new upstream release here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iok/+bug/586218 then what i do?
[09:23] <dholbach> suji: subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[09:23] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[09:24] <suji> dholbach: ya i subscribed, then
[09:24] <dholbach> that's it
[09:25] <suji> dholbach: then when will it be accepted in upstream?
[09:26] <dholbach> what do you mean by upstream?
[09:26] <suji> dholbach: ubuntu repo
[09:26] <DeeJay1> that's downstream ;)
[09:26] <dholbach> when we speak of upstream, we mean the software authors of a piece of software
[09:27] <dholbach> suji: the list of stuff that needs to be reviewed is a bit longer, so it might take a while
[09:27] <dholbach> suji: but it's in the right place now
[09:27] <suji> dholbach: ok
[09:27] <suji> dholbach: thank you
[09:27] <DeeJay1> eh,, the build queue is one hour long again :/
[09:30] <DeeJay1> one question regarding packaging, when I do pull-debian-source <package> why do the patches get applied on the source tree? I would have thought that they are applied in the build process
[09:32] <RAOF> Unless pull-debian-source is doing something strange, this will depend on the source package.
[09:32] <RAOF> It sounds like you've hit a 3.0 (quilt) package.
[09:34] <DeeJay1> ahh, another "it depends" :/
[09:35] <jetienne> q. is there something like dh_installinit but for the .desktop ?
[09:36] <RAOF> Why?  What do you need to do with it, other than dump it in /usr/share/applications?
[09:36] <jetienne> RAOF: i guess you mean no
[09:37] <RAOF> Well, there _is_ a dh_desktop, but it doesn't do anything useful anymore.
[09:38] <jetienne> RAOF: yep and the man page doesnt give the new recommended way :(
[09:38] <RAOF> The application itself doesn't put the desktop file in the right place?
[09:39] <RAOF> Or, rather, the buildsystem doesn't already do that?  Sucky.
[09:39] <RAOF> You can always just get dh_install to do it for you, or manually call install in debian/rules
[09:40] <jetienne> hmm ok
[09:41] <RAOF> You don't need to do anything more complex than ensuring the file ends up in /usr/share/applications
[09:42] <jetienne> RAOF: what is a menufile ? is that something close to .desktop files ?
[09:44] <Rhonda> It's a fair bit different.
[09:45] <Rhonda> It predates the .desktop files and is still used quite intensively, at least within Debian.
[09:45] <Rhonda> The format is a lot different though: Take a look at files in /usr/share/menu/ for an idea.
[09:46] <jetienne> Rhonda: ok thanks
[10:10] <bilalakhtar> Hi MOTUs what is the actual process to merge a package? I have merges the package on my sys, lintian-clean, but what after this?
[10:10] <bilalakhtar> ^^ is for maverick, not lucid sru
[10:12] <bilalakhtar> should I file a bug on the package? What should be the bug tagged? needs-packaging? or do I need to upload to revu?
[10:13] <bilalakhtar> sorry I am new to merges :(
[10:14]  * bilalakhtar is building the package in chroot right now
[10:15] <sebner> bilalakhtar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[10:15] <bilalakhtar> sebner: thanks.
[10:16] <bilalakhtar> meanwhile, I have an error in building package in maverick chroot. please see this paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/440291/
[10:26] <jetienne> q. is there a way to use dh_make such as i use gpl2 AND gpl3 ?
[10:33] <carstenh> jetienne: dh_make just generates templates, you need to change them anyway, in this case you just need to change more words
[10:33] <carstenh> jetienne: linking gpl2-only and gpl3 is not permitted, but I guess you are aware of this
[10:34] <jetienne> carstenh: this is more about my own code being both. technically i use only gpl2 code
[10:34] <jetienne> lgpl2 even
[10:34] <jetienne> carstenh: btw lgpl2 and gpl3 is ok, no ?
[10:35] <carstenh> jetienne: are we talking about lgpl2-only oder lgpl2-or-later?
[10:35] <jetienne> carstenh: no idea. does this matter ?
[10:35] <carstenh> yes
[10:36] <jetienne> carstenh: i mean as it is lgpl it should not matter the source i link to it, no ?
[10:36] <carstenh> right, linking is ok with lgpl, but not mixing code
[10:37] <jetienne> carstenh: ok cool
[10:39] <carstenh> if everything is (l)gplN-or-later you don't need to worry, even when you mix code
[11:37] <jetienne> q. dpkg-source uses tar such as it doesnt follow symlink. So i have to copy my whole source there, which is quite large. Is there a way i could either change dpkg-source tar options ? or simply to generate my own .tar.gz and have dpkg_source use it
[11:55] <jetienne> ok so i copy 130mbyte everytime i build a package...
[12:13] <kjelle> How would I define a debian package control file to PURGE another package on install?
[12:13] <kjelle> not just replace/conflict, but REMOVE/PURGE
[12:13] <kjelle> I cannot add 'dpkg -P ..' in my preinst script, so it seems i must do it in the control file
[12:18] <carstenh> kjelle: you can't
[12:22] <tarzeau> kjelle: which package do you want to get rid, and why?
[12:22] <tarzeau> jetienne: 130mb? that's nothing
[12:22] <tarzeau> jetienne: i've had packages with 2gb
[12:23] <jetienne> tarzeau: do you have a way to avoid it ?
[12:23] <tarzeau> jetienne: no
[12:23] <jetienne> ok
[12:23] <tarzeau> jetienne: i have fast hard disks :)
[12:23] <tarzeau> jetienne: or put it on a ramdisk
[12:26] <kjelle> tarzeau: one i made
[12:26] <kjelle> tarzeau: i have splitted a package in two, and want the 2nd package to own some files
[12:26] <kjelle> tarzeau: i just added "replaces" in the 2nd package control file
[12:26] <tarzeau> kjelle: package url?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> hi can someone help me prepare a MIR for libopenal-dev
[12:31] <kjelle> tarzeau: it is a company package
[12:31] <kjelle> but i seemed to fix it
[12:32] <tarzeau> great. i still wonder what software it is
[12:32] <tarzeau> we've got some of those too
[14:09] <artfwo> Could anyone take a look at the following FTBFS on Maverick? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libffado/2.0.0+svn1813-1/+build/1757466 The package builds well on a local Maverick setup, strange...
[14:18] <siretart> ajmitch: I see that you've merged libsdl last week. do you have a clue why libsdl1.2-dev is uninstallable?
[14:19] <siretart> oh, this might be bug #585992
[14:22] <Rhonda> siretart: Don't dare and tell me that the libsdl update actually did break something else again?
[14:23] <siretart> Rhonda:  I just note that libsdl1.2-dev is currently uninstallable, and am about to sponsor the debdiff for this bug
[14:24] <siretart> yes, directfb was uploaded 2 days ago
[15:02] <geser> artfwo: do you have pkgbinarymangler in your build environment? It does the check which makes the build fail ("Found files in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages (must be in dist-packages for python2.6)")
[15:05] <artfwo> geser, no. never heard of it. why did the package build on debian then?
[15:05] <artfwo> don't they have python 2.6 as well?
[15:07] <geser> artfwo: Debian has still python 2.5 as default and without this check the package would build but be broken
[15:07] <SpamapS> can somebody explain why its forbidden for a a package to have embedded dependencies in it? I'm specifically inquriing about the Cassandra DB, which ships its own copy of the 'thrift' library, which is a moving target and therefore hard to tie to just one version.
[15:08] <Rhonda> SpamapS: Because it becomes a hell for the security team if an issue turn us in such an embedded code copy.
[15:08] <geser> SpamapS: security reason, if there is a security bug in a library then not only the library itself but also all copies need to be fixed (and first found)
[15:09] <Rhonda> It would require them to look at all the code copies and fix the issues in every one of them, taking up a lot of time for multiple tests with every single of them instead of just once.
[15:09] <artfwo> geser, I see. thanks for the explanation.
[15:10] <SpamapS> Right, so in this case, cassandra cannot function with any of the released versions of the library, they have to use a certain snapshot... so they maintain and patch that snapshot upstream..
[15:11] <SpamapS> In part, they're falling victim to a dying/dead upstream.
[15:11] <Rhonda> Try to make them join forces and get the library released more often?
[15:11] <Rhonda> Ah, that would then call for a fork and not really embedding the code.
[15:12] <Rhonda> And potentially in the long run be the real upstream for the library, too.
[15:13] <SpamapS> Right, thats kind of what they're already doing (that, and abandoning the library)
[15:13] <SpamapS> but they'd rather just keep the forked lib in cassandra's tree..
[15:13] <SpamapS> than ship a package that others might depend on, which they don't want to maintain it for
[15:14] <SpamapS> I see both sides, and Cassandra is a pretty hot topic.. we really would like to get it into universe for maverick if we can.
[15:16] <SpamapS> so my real question is.. if the package were uploaded with an embedded thrift, would it be in violation of any specific policy, or just "bad form" ?
[15:16] <SpamapS> ttx: ^^
[15:16] <Rhonda> SpamapS: How many packages are using the non-embedded library actually?
[15:17] <SpamapS> Rhonda: its not in debian or universe yet.
[15:17] <Rhonda> SpamapS: Extremely bad form, and you should definitely send notifications along to the security team that they are aware of the embedded code copy.
[15:17] <Rhonda> *blinks*
[15:17] <Rhonda> If it's not there yet, what's then really embedded?
[15:18] <Rhonda> Or a code copy?
[15:18] <ttx> SpamapS: on a call now
[15:18] <SpamapS> Rhonda: there's an ITP for thrift, by one of the cassandra devs, but he abandoned it recently because the upstream sucks
[15:18] <SpamapS> ttx: of course you are. :)
[15:18] <Rhonda> thrift is that library, right?
[15:18] <SpamapS> Rhonda: yes sorry. :)
[15:18] <geser> me guesses even a java library, right?
[15:19] <Rhonda> I'd say note in that ITP that it doesn't make much sense on itself and that the embedded copy in cassandra is actively maintained? Is the ITP for thrift because of something else than cassandra would need it?
[15:24] <SpamapS> Rhonda: yeah, there are several things that use it.. Hypertable being one of them.
[15:24] <SpamapS> the trouble is, thrift is similar to google protobufs, its a dev tool for generating language bindings
[15:25] <ttx> SpamapS: bad form, definitely
[15:27] <SpamapS> ttx: if its not available in a usable form as a release, would we normally create a compat type package? Like, 20090418 is the last release, but they need 20091014 so do we make a thrift-20091014 package ? Doesn't that just make things more difficult for no great benefit?
[16:01] <JamieBennett> #ubuntu-devel
[16:01] <JamieBennett> doh
[16:01] <JamieBennett> join #ubuntu-devel
[16:01] <JamieBennett> dam irc client
[16:04]  * SpamapS speaks in Mr. Scott voice: "computer" .. 'use the mouse sir' "Ahh, how quaint.. computer"
[16:08] <dholbach> mdeslaur will give a Packaging Training session about "Preparing Security Updates" in #ubuntu-classroom at 18:00 UTC
[16:32] <\sh> micahg, zend-framework 1.10.5 in maverick + new libzend-framework-zendx-php package
[16:32] <micahg> \sh: yep, I saw, thank you :)  I'll backport on my way to $WORK :)
[16:32] <\sh> micahg, sorry for the delay, real life + real work took prio 1
[16:33] <micahg> \sh: I didn't see the official release email yet, but it seems to be live on the site as of yesterday
[16:37] <\sh> micahg, well, last version on the server...ready to push ;) /me needs to check the new queue hopefully it's already been cleared for today
[16:38] <micahg> \sh: oh, it's in NEW because of the new binary?
[16:38] <\sh> micahg, hopefully only the new binary package
[16:39] <micahg> \sh: ah, BTW, there's a new doctrine-zf library that I was thinking maybe we should package as well, what do you tihnk?
[16:41] <\sh> url? :)
[16:42] <\sh> libzend-framework-zendx-php_1.10.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb (41.6 KiB) NEW	<- there it is
[16:44] <micahg> \sh: http://github.com/beberlei/zf-doctrine
[16:46] <jetienne> 18:00 UTC is 15min from now ?
[16:46] <\sh> micahg, any reason why the author doesn't push it to upstream?
[16:46] <\sh> jetienne, 18:00 UTC is still 2h15m away ;)
[16:46] <jetienne> \sh: ok
[16:47] <micahg> \sh: will be part of 2.0 I think
[16:47] <\sh> it's 17:46 german time which means 15:46 UTC
[16:47] <\sh> micahg, then leave it for 2.0 ;)
[16:47] <micahg> \sh: k
[17:06] <jetienne> is it possible that dpkg-source uses its own tar... instead of the gnu tar installed on the box ?
[17:06] <jetienne> TAR_OPTIONS almost saved me :(
[17:43] <sebp_> hi, I tried to build a package with pbuilder but I get an error about non-existent ./video http://pastebin.com/UCPwddju
[17:43] <sebp_> I have no idea where it picks that ./video up
[17:55] <zerointeger> is this where i can get assistance in creating a debian package?
[18:00] <c_korn> zerointeger: yes
[18:03] <zerointeger> awesome
[18:03] <zerointeger> have time to walk me through it?
[18:09] <riccetn> zerointeger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[18:09] <riccetn> Feel free to ask if you have any specefic questions
[18:11] <zerointeger> perfect, thanks
[18:57] <A-R-R> Inserting a '!' character in a line while editing in gedit or gvim deletes the characters in the line after that in my lenovo R61 laptop. That key was working fine till yesterday. Is it a hardware problem?
[19:03] <riccetn> A-R-R: Try asking in #ubuntu
[19:03] <A-R-R> riccetn, I am so sorry, I didn't realise I wasn't in #ubuntu
[19:26] <zerointeger> .
[19:27] <zerointeger> I am trying to create a new debian package. For this to work I require the krb5-config tool which is installed (Linux 2.6.31-17-generic #54-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 10 17:01:44 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux) but I cannot find the binary. It is working fine on the 32bit vmware applicance I have running however
[19:45] <shadeslayer> hi any packagers around to help me with gluon?
[19:56] <Talon_> how do you make a .deb package?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Talon_: you build it actually :)
[19:58] <shadeslayer> Talon_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[20:01]  * Talon_ sighs
[20:01] <Talon_> thats more vague than the site i was reading to try to attempt this.. screw it ppl can just compile the source
[20:02] <shadeslayer> Talon_: not always
[20:03] <Talon_> there any package tools that can read a .deb and whats in it? so I could possibly use the files inside a similar package for an example?
[20:06] <riccetn> Talon_: You should realy build your packages from source, I reccomand looking at the hello-debhelper source package if you want an example.
[20:07] <riccetn> Talon_: You can download it with 'apt-get source hello-debhelper'
[20:08] <SpamapS> Talon_: its pretty simple, especially if your package uses autoconf to build
[20:08] <zerointeger> Are there any tricks with the debuild tool? The package I am working with works fine if compiled from source but depbuilder cannot find certain symbols
[20:09] <zerointeger> Here is an example error I am getting: .libs/auth.o: In function `pam_sm_authenticate':
[20:09] <zerointeger> /home/jas/projects/debian-package/pam-krb5-2.3.1+ldap/src/auth.c:97: undefined reference to `pam_get_user'
[20:11] <soren> zerointeger: You probably need to specify a Build-Depends: on libpam0g-dev.
[20:11] <zerointeger> ah ha
[20:15] <zerointeger> is that in the debian/control file? under the 'Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}' line?
[20:17] <riccetn> zerointeger: Yes. no, near the top. In the first block that deals with the source package.
[20:21] <Talon_> how do you define the $DESTDIR ?
[20:21] <Talon_> Done. Please edit the files in the debian/ subdirectory now. You should also
[20:21] <Talon_> check that the sdlcube Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / .
[20:23] <riccetn> Talon_: if you use debhelper it will sets DESTDIR for you
[20:24] <Talon_> I just want it to put my darn binary in /usr/games and put my .desktop in /usr/share/applications :/ this is so retarded..
[20:29] <Talon_> screw it im just puttin the source out there, this is retarded.
[20:56] <ari-tczew> is http://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com/ layout broken?
[21:27] <bear> as the dev responsible for one of the many python packages ubuntu rolls up (I think from debian actually), what would be the procedure for me to become more active in it's maintainence on the ubuntu side?
[21:29] <SpamapS> bear: :) howdy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>here.. ;)
[21:30] <bear> oh hi - your email is what prompted my visit :)
[21:30] <jpds> bear: You might want to talk to ScottK - he does a lot of Python work I believe.
[21:30] <bear> I visited the link and realized I had a launchpad account but wasn't active at all
[21:32] <james_w> bear: are you part of the python applications or modules teams?
[21:32] <bear> nope
[21:32] <bear> way back when I was working for OSAF I started to get into the world of motu but then got layed off and wandered away to other evil lands
[21:33] <bear> figure if I can help spamaps with anything needed for parsedatetime module that would be a good place to start
[21:35] <SpamapS> bear: hopefully thats just going to be a quick promotion to main.
[21:36] <bear> k - let me know if they want anything tweaked with the packaging or anything really
[21:38] <bear> meanwhile I will start reading the links I see in the topic and lurking in channel
[21:38]  * bear goes to freshen his launchpad profile
[22:31] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aiccu/+bug/544910
[22:31] <dupondje> can somebody check ? :)
[22:31] <dupondje> broken in 10.10 also
[22:31] <dupondje> patch added & tested
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> hello I am thinking about the ubuntu manual team program which we would like to include in 10.10
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> sorry hit enter too early. But not all the translations would be finished by release day, how hard is it to get stuff in universe after release?
[22:42] <quentusrex> What is the proper debian package relationship so that when you install packageA you have to install packageA-dbg ?
[22:43] <quentusrex> would 'requires' work?
[22:43] <quentusrex> since packageA-dbg requires packageA
[23:20] <stevecrozz> I have an ubuntu package I'm maintaining "nginx" which is also maintained by ubuntu, my package includes an extra module compiled in
[23:20] <stevecrozz> but ubuntu's package is now newer than mine... is there a simple way to update my package against the new ubuntu one?
[23:20] <stevecrozz> maintaining all my changes?
[23:25] <diwic> quentusrex: Yes, you can put "depends" both ways
[23:33] <stevecrozz> I guess the question is, how do I effectively track an ubuntu package and quickly add my own changes for my own package?
[23:36] <ajmitch> one way is to maintain it in a bzr branch & merge in the new ubuntu releases
[23:39] <stevecrozz> ajmitch: do you have any reading on this?
[23:39] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation
[23:41] <stevecrozz> ajmitch: are all the regular ubuntu packages available to check out from bzr?
[23:43] <ajmitch> yes, you can get nginz with 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu/nginx'
[23:45] <ajmitch> or a specific release such as lp:ubuntu/lucid/nginx
[23:45] <stevecrozz> ajmitch: thanks, i think i'm on track to figure this out now
[23:46] <ajmitch> great
[23:56] <cpscotti> cjwatson , slangasek, jdong ... (SRU team): do any of you have some free time to check a very simple SRU? bug 480772 only needs sru approval... (everything else seems alright).. Thanks!
[23:57] <slangasek> cpscotti: checking
[23:57] <cpscotti> slangasek: thanks..


[00:22] <eamon> Is Tm_T here?
[00:22] <LjL> he's been idle for 10 hours
[00:23] <eamon> ok thanks
[02:27] <h00k> Taking abuse in a PM
[02:27] <rww> from?
[02:27] <rww> ah, #ubuntu.
[02:28] <h00k> DroidVicious
[02:40] <genii-around> /whois DroidVicious
[02:40] <h00k> Isn't taking a cluebat.
[02:41] <genii-around> Hm
[02:42] <h00k> I'm trying, I'm not sure thy're familiar with how #ubuntu support usually goes, they think they got jumped on
[02:44] <rww> I was surprised the bot repeated herself.
[02:51] <h00k> @login
[02:51] <h00k> @btlogin
[02:52] <h00k> well, I added the conversation to the bantracker.
[02:52] <h00k> I tried *really* hard.
[02:53] <h00k> I'm not sure I ever reached out that far
[02:54] <h00k> Got frustrated at one point :(
[02:57] <IdleOne> you tried, he didn't want to hear it.
[02:57] <h00k> Apparently not. Oh well.
[02:57] <h00k> I *almost* asked him to ask me the question
[02:58] <IdleOne> h00k: sometimes you just got to use the olive branch and hit them with it.
[02:58] <IdleOne> :)
[03:00] <h00k> and is now telling me they're going to ban-evade.
[03:00] <IdleOne> ok
[03:01] <IdleOne> maybe they will read the guidelines, ban evade and follow guidelines
[03:01] <h00k> updated ban comment.
[03:01] <IdleOne> in 6 months when we clear the ban list he can stop evading
[03:04] <rww> I can clear the banlist now if you want.
[03:04] <IdleOne> go ahead
[03:04] <h00k> the whole thing. yes.
[03:04] <h00k> no.
[03:04] <rww> wouldn't take but a minute
[03:04] <h00k> rww: I'd leave you there to deal with everything when the floodgates open :(
[03:05] <h00k> because I know everyone's constantly knocking, rite?
[06:30] <bazhang> crum and totem seem to be problematic
[06:30] <hypatia> yeah, i'm watching them
[06:30] <hypatia> totem has shut up now that they've been told to stop, it seems
[06:30] <bazhang> crum PM'd me ostensibly to learn about hdd, then abruptly switched to "where can I download ebooks"
[06:31] <hypatia> oh dear :/
[06:32] <bazhang> and the IV language seems semi-trolliastic
[06:32] <hypatia> yeah, next crap from crum will get a warning from me
[06:32] <jrib> hello hypatia
[06:33] <jrib> I have no clue who you are but I'm usually not up at 1:30 in the morning :)
[06:36] <hypatia> i usually am :/
[06:37] <bazhang> so he's going for the full on troll then
[06:37] <jrib> waiting for some code to finish running so I can sleep :(
[07:00] <Tm_T> morning
[07:02] <rww> tempted to !notreally-#ubuntu-offtopic > kannan_
[10:45] <gnomefreak> if someone has time or a better idea please add bug 685552 to the topic in +1im about to leave aand i still said no need to unyil my work is done
[10:49] <bazhang> so larstorben is now torbenlars
[10:49] <bazhang> missed his issue the other day. was it polling?
[11:08] <eamon> Hello, is Tm_T here?
[11:21] <Tm_T> hi
[11:21] <Tm_T> eamon: hi
[12:01] <eamon> Tm_T: hello
[12:03] <Tm_T> eamon: hi, we were supposed to discuss about your ban, correct?
[12:04] <eamon> Tm_T: yes, that's right
[12:05] <LjL> YankDownUnder being unfriendly again... i will leave it because i don't want to argue on the metaphysics of offtopicness, but to me an innocent question about xchat seems ontopic enough :\
[12:06] <Tm_T> eamon: ok, do you remember why you were banned?
[12:06] <eamon> Tm_T: yes
[12:06] <Tm_T> and that was?
[12:06] <eamon> BAd language
[12:07] <Tm_T> you aknowledge that we do not allow such behaviour?
[12:07] <eamon> Yes.
[12:08] <Tm_T> eamon: you promise it won't happen again?
[12:09] <eamon> certainly.
[12:09] <eamon> I promise
[12:10] <Tm_T> good, thanks. I'm willing to let you in, but keep in mind that being in #ubuntu means you have to follow our guidelines.
[12:11] <eamon> Ok, thank you Tm_T I'll abide by the rules.
[12:11] <Tm_T> thanks
[12:11] <Tm_T> eamon: let me know if you cannot enter the channel now
[12:11] <eamon> I still can't enter
[12:13] <eamon> Tm_T
[12:14] <Tm_T> eamon: try now
[12:14] <eamon> Tm_T: working. thank you
[12:23] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Ginbuntu Annoying for the sake of it, absolutely not new to this
[12:25] <Tm_T> ganging against an ennoying person isn't nice either though, make things clear, but leave it at that
[12:25] <LjL> oh for christ's sake
[12:25] <LjL> we've all complained about ginbuntu countless times
[12:25] <LjL> nothing has ever been done about him
[12:25] <Tm_T> I know
[12:25] <Tm_T> I am doing now
[12:26] <LjL> well it's not like he won't stop now, he's not clueless. action is way overdue.
[12:26] <LjL> you can't complain that there is ganging against annoying people when they're left to be annoying for ages
[12:27] <Tm_T> I'm not complaining really, atleast didn't mean it like that
[12:27] <Tm_T> just that I try to keep "there's no excuse for bad behaviour" for everyone
[12:28] <Tm_T> I might be a bit overdemanding on this, considering the nature of that channel
[12:29] <bazhang> yes
[12:29]  * Tm_T huggles all
[12:29] <bazhang> no one was ganging up on him. he was deliberately being provocative
[12:29] <Tm_T> I saw
[12:30] <Tm_T> when someone provokes, it isn't usually best practice to get provoked if you can avoid it
 bazhang: gentoo, but I'm not getting support there
[12:36] <LjL> :\
[12:38] <LjL> bazhang: he's muted
[12:39] <bazhang> LjL, ah okay
[12:39] <ikonia> not again
[12:39] <bazhang> no harm
[12:40] <eamon> Hello I can't speak in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:40] <eamon> Tm_T just unbanned me an hour or so ago, I think my mute wasn't revoked
[12:41] <LjL> i think the #ubuntu-offtopic mute was set by someone else, though
[12:41] <eamon> can you unmute me please LjL?
[12:42] <LjL> no eamon, i'm not an operator in that channel. someone else might possibly unmute you, however sometimes ops prefer to let the one who set the ban remove it.
[12:42] <ikonia> who set it ? was it me (I'll look)
[12:43] <ikonia> eamon: it may be best if you could use #ubuntu and leave the offtopic channel for a while, show you can use a channel without being an issue
[12:44] <eamon> ikonia: I'm looking for support on an off topic topic and I was invited to continue the conversaion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:44] <ikonia> eamon: offtopic isn't a support channel
[12:45] <ikonia> eamon: try asking in the support channel for your problem
[12:45] <eamon> I did but it's not directly related to ubuntu so I was invited to #ubunut-offtopic
[12:45] <ikonia> eamon: really ? what channel did you ask in ?
[12:46] <eamon> #ubuntu
[12:46] <ikonia> eamon: no, what support channel for the product you're using
[12:46] <bazhang> gentoo
[12:46] <ikonia> eg: what channel should you ask in, what's the technology you're having a problem with
[12:47] <eamon> oh, right, I didn't. I guess #alsa, but I'm not sure, it's a usb device
[12:47] <eamon> I'll ask in #alsa
[12:47] <eamon> Thanks, I'll keep the support in support channells
[12:48] <bazhang> odd. he claimed gentoo
[12:48] <ikonia> he was full of nonsense the last time he got banned, hence why I was curious to what he was talking about this time
[13:03] <ikonia> ]/window 14
[13:03] <ikonia> oops
[14:07] <Pici> meh
[14:10]  * jussi huggles Pici
[14:30] <Pici> ugh.
[14:32] <genii-around> Yup.
[14:32] <Pici> Lots of wrong advice being given today.
[14:34] <IdleOne> sorry, I am trying to wake up still :/
[14:34]  * genii-around slides IdleOne a strong coffee
[14:35] <IdleOne> thank you
[14:35] <genii-around> Anytime
[14:36] <dpm> hi Pici, did you have the chance to add #ubuntu-classroom to the list of monitored channels on your site, as we talked yesterday?
[14:37] <Pici> dpm: I got tied up at work, sorry.  Let me take a look right now.
[14:37] <dpm> no worries, thanks Pici!
[18:00] <knome> 19:33 » siavashserver<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #xubuntu
[18:00] <knome> 19:35  siavashserver: Hi, I'm trying to collect information about Linux gamers hardware specs, if you are interested please take a look at this poll : http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/521555
[18:00] <knome> 19:35 » siavashserver<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #xubuntu []
[18:00] <knome> just for information
[18:00] <Pici> knome: I'd mention it in #freenode
[18:01] <knome> Pici, done.
[18:12] <Crum> Hi
[18:13] <Crum> Can I please be unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[18:13] <Crum> I think I was banned for being offtopic. I don't remember being banned. I remember leaving the channel yesterday on my own and when I tried to join just now, the status window said I was banned
[18:14] <Pici> Crum: Let me take a look, one moment.
[18:21] <Pici> Crum: Based on the logs, I'm not sure what hypatia was exactly banning you for, I'd prefer for her (or someone else who is familiar with the situation) to proceed with your case.
[18:41] <Crum> oh ok
[18:42] <Crum> please let hypatia that I wish to be unbanned if possible
[20:07] <ikonia> why am I not surprised djean is muted in #mysql as well as #httpd
[20:08] <gnomefreak> not sure? but im not sure why people do alot of what people do :(
[20:08]  * gnomefreak gave up on being suprised
[20:34] <gnomefreak> is this one of ours? ubuntulo1 and is it log bot?
[20:35] <ikonia> yes
[20:35] <gnomefreak> well its ours. but it doesnt know bugs
[20:35] <gnomefreak> can i get a regular bot in #ubuntu-mozillateam please
[20:41] <gnomefreak> ikonia: where are all the bots or even the ops that run them?
[20:42] <ikonia> ubottu's around, #ubuntu-bots-devel is always a good place, but everyone seems away at the moment
[20:42] <LjL> ^fail
[20:42] <rww> !forget 's around, #ubuntu-bots-devel
[20:42] <ikonia> idiot bot
[20:42] <ikonia> !around
[20:42] <rww> !forget s around, #ubuntu-bots-devel
[20:42] <ikonia> I even put ubottu's not ubottu so it would ignore me
[20:42] <rww> !fail
[20:44] <gnomefreak> i saw Pic-i a while ago but i didnt notice the bot was gone
[20:44] <ikonia> I've not until you said a few minutes ago
[20:44] <rww> The ubots have been disappearing recently :|
[20:44]  * rww thought that was jpds's turf
[20:46] <gnomefreak> i dont have a clue who has domain over bots, but honestly the ubots are not as smart as ubottu
[20:46] <LjL> for ubottu, you want jussi and tsimpson i believe
[20:46] <Pici> I am not a robot.
[20:47] <LjL> or ask in #ubuntu-bots-team
[20:47] <gnomefreak> ah
[20:48] <Tm_T> this wikipage has the bots and their contacts listed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[20:56] <ikonia> matt__: thanks for joining
[20:56] <matt__> No problem.
[20:56] <ikonia> matt__: just wanted to ask you to change your "Real name" in your IRC client, I don't think "Fuck you" as a real name is something the users of #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 should be seeing as a name
[20:56] <matt__> Im really sorry, after the last install I didnt think it would work. In all honesty thats not me.
[20:57] <ikonia> well, could you please change it
[20:57] <matt__> Its changed
[20:58] <ikonia> matt__: it's not, you'll need to restart you client for the change to take affect
[20:58] <matt__> alrighty ill be back.
[20:59] <matt__> I am back.
[20:59] <ikonia> matt__: that looks much better, thank you
[21:01] <matt__> so it crashed, now im back
[21:02] <ikonia> that's fine, thank you for changing the real name
[21:02] <matt__> Thanks again for understanding.
[21:02] <matt__> Very welcome.
[21:05] <matt__> Not to be pushy or anything of that matter. I respect patience, and the time somebody on here will spend with me. But do you know what I should do?
[21:07] <ikonia> matt__: you should ask in #ubuntu+1 and if someone knows the answer, they will help you
[21:09] <ikonia> matt__: now that we are done in this channel, it's requested you leave the channel please, so we can assist other users who need help
[21:13]  * LjL wonders about marsfligth
[21:31] <gnomefreak> thats the matt_ guy?
[21:31] <ikonia> yes
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Can we update the topic in #ubuntu+1; release announcement is out and wubi is fixed for natty
[21:32] <ikonia> of course....I don't want to though as the next round of early adopters will lap it up
[21:33] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:33] <charlie-tca> they been waiting all day for it
[21:33] <gnomefreak> who ever does it please add a link to bug 685552 please
[21:33]  * gnomefreak has to tend to dog feed|walk
[21:33] <ikonia> this is the sort of reason why matt__ (and people like him) shouldn't be using the beta
[21:33] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:33] <ikonia> charlie-tca: I'll do it give me 5 minus
[21:33] <ikonia> mins
[21:33] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[23:37] <rww> charlie-tca: #ubuntu+1 topic updated
[23:38] <rww> I left that bug link out, since I don't see how it's worse than the other crasher bugs I see on natty right now ;P
[23:39] <charlie-tca> Thanks, but can we remove the wubi comment, too. It is fixed in natty beta2
[23:39] <rww> done
[23:39] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much!
[23:40] <rww> no problem :)
[23:40] <rww> I once again note (and this doesn't apply to charlie-tca, but does to some of the rest of you) that all #ubuntu operators have operator access in #ubuntu+1.
[23:41] <LjL> i once again note (and this applyes to rww) that rww indirectly blames people for being lazy. why do you hate laziness?
[23:42] <rww> LjL: I don't hate laziness, I just enjoy guilt-tripping people O:D
[23:42] <LjL> :P
[23:43] <charlie-tca> :-)
[23:43] <rww> but kidding aside, I've noticed some people haven't figured that out yet, so... ;)
[23:44] <rww> presumably not everyone reads ubuntu-irc and scrutinizes IRCC meeting logs. I can't fathom why not, but there you go :D