[06:19] <didrocks> happy birthday pitti! :)
[06:32] <pitti> Good morning
[06:32] <pitti> didrocks: ooh, merci ! *accolade*
[06:32] <pitti> didrocks: vous êtes retour de vos vacances ?
[06:37] <didrocks> pitti: oui, on est rentré hier soir :)
[07:48] <ksamak> hoy all
[08:05] <Laney> moin
[08:05] <pitti> hey Laney
[08:05] <pitti> Jane TV!
[08:07] <Laney> oh yeah I forgot
[08:07]  * Laney tunes in
[08:41] <darkxst> hey Laney, pitti
[08:42] <pitti> hey darkxst, how are you?
[08:43] <Laney> hi darkxst
[08:43] <Laney> long time
[08:43] <darkxst> pitti, I'm good, weather is much better here now, and possibly off to the snow for winter ;)
[08:43] <pitti> darkxst: hah, good; I'm just enjoying spring here :)
[08:45] <darkxst> Laney,  I was away for a couple for a couple weeks, but otherwise been pretty busy
[08:45] <darkxst> I'm trying to get to GUADEC now
[08:45] <Laney> yeah better start walking, it's a long way
[08:46] <darkxst> Laney, ha, how I am meant to walk on the oceans ?
[08:47] <darkxst> but really I meant preparing a speech for GUADEC
[08:47] <Laney> nice
[08:48] <Laney> was thinking about trying to get there too
[08:48] <Laney> pitti!
[08:49] <pitti> Laney: eek -- what did I break now?
[08:49] <Laney> pitti: happy birthday!
[08:49] <pitti> ooh, thanks! :-)
[08:50]  * pitti chalks up the 36th mark
[08:50] <pitti> crazy, I was 24 when I started all this
[08:50] <darkxst> oh happy birthday pitti !
[08:50] <Laney> madness
[08:50] <pitti> darkxst: cheers!
[08:52] <Laney> here's to 12 more ;-)
[08:52] <Laney> or maybe you'll be running a beach bar in the maldives by then
[09:28] <darkxst> serving systemd cocktails ? :p
[09:28] <pitti> at your .service
[09:28] <darkxst> perfect! I'll come visit your bar!
[09:36] <davmor2> Laney: could you try something for me very quickly on xenial please, Open system settings and open sound, then open the dash type in backup, Click on deja dupe does control centre crash?
[09:44] <Laney> davmor2: nope not here
[09:45] <Laney> if you have a crash file you can report it
[09:46] <davmor2> Laney: yeap running through the bug report now I'll ping you the number after
[09:50] <davmor2> Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1570266
[09:50] <ubot5`> Error: launchpad bug 1570266 not found
[10:19] <andyrock> morning all
[10:40]  * Laney screams
[10:40] <Laney> I git added some changes, then reset --hard without committing :(
[10:41] <pitti> Laney: argh! and no "git diff" in scrollback, I take it?
[10:41] <pitti> or backgrounded vim or so
[10:41] <Laney> just a buildlog
[10:41] <Laney> it's not that bad - did it once, can do again :P
[10:53]  * Laney snuggles git pull --rebase 4eva
[11:18] <willcooke> morning all
[11:41] <Laney> hi willcooke
[11:41] <Laney> how's USA?
[11:43] <willcooke> hi Laney.  S'OK :) Salt Lake is a nice place
[11:56] <pitti> willcooke: have you been evangelized yet? :-)
[11:57] <pitti> willcooke: I've been there in '99, and it was quite funny to discuss religion with the young people around the temple
[11:57] <willcooke> pitti, I'm enjoying some new wives
[11:58] <pitti> oh, that was fast
[12:33] <willcooke> relocating to the lobby to find coffee
[12:33] <willcooke> brb
[12:41] <tseliot> happy birthday pitti!
[12:42] <pitti> tseliot: thank you!
[13:00] <dkessel> hey, i would like to check the current state of snappy desktop, is anything available as a runnable image?
[13:11] <ogra_> dkessel, there is only "snappy on desktop" not snappy desktop images
[13:17] <dkessel> ok, so no snappy core (or what it is called) + desktop as a snap?
[13:18] <ogra_> not for 16.04, no
[13:22] <dkessel> ok ty
[14:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[14:50] <seb128> pitti, happy birthday!
[14:50]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[14:51] <pitti> hey seb128, merci !
[14:51]  * pitti hugs you back
[14:58] <Laney> hey seb128
[14:58] <Laney> willcooke beet you online by hours!
[14:58] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[14:58] <Laney> slackerrrr
[14:58] <willcooke> Curse these people who don't get jet lag
[14:58] <seb128> that's why he's the boss
[14:58] <willcooke> :)
[14:58] <seb128> lol
[14:58] <Laney> good but I forgot to bake bread
[14:58] <Laney> so had to speedbake at lunch
[14:59] <seb128> how does that work?
[14:59] <Laney> it was already made, just had to do the actual cooking bit
[15:00] <seb128> ah ok
[15:00]  * seb128 sees a gnome-software update in the queue
[15:01] <Laney> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/man-accidentally-deletes-his-entire-company-with-one-line-of-bad-code-a6984256.html
[15:03]  * Laney is going to do something other than g-s now
[15:03] <Laney> that canadian guy is doing the rest
[15:05] <seb128> wonder if that's a true story
[15:06] <seb128> Laney, is there any documentation on how to touch that package now?
[15:06] <Laney> what package?
[15:06] <seb128> g-s
[15:06] <seb128>    * All Ubuntu patches are in the orig.tar.xz, so have been dropped from the
[15:06] <seb128>      packaging.
[15:06] <Laney> README.source
[15:06] <seb128> I guess it's built from git?
[15:06] <Laney> nothing stops anybody from putting debian patches back in
[15:06] <seb128> rather than using upstream snapshot and stacking patches
[15:07] <Laney> but it is easier for us to just make a new tarball
[15:07] <Laney> if we're working in git anyway
[15:08] <seb128> yeah, but the tarball is not made from master then?
[15:08] <Laney> nein
[15:08] <Laney> see README.source
[15:08] <seb128> yeah, I'm reading that
[15:08] <seb128> so you have a branch
[15:08] <seb128> robert has one
[15:09] <seb128> and attente has one
[15:09] <seb128> and the one used depends from whoever from you guys do the upload :p
[15:09] <Laney> each feature has a branch
[15:09] <Laney> and there is this merged one
[15:10] <seb128> I guess it's the most efficient for those who are involved enough to have an overview of all those and how they work and get merged
[15:11] <seb128> oh well, makes it more difficult for the ones of us who are not that involved but I guess it's a tradeoff worth it
[15:11]  * seb128 feels excluded though :p
[15:11] <Laney> why does it?
[15:11] <Laney> you can get the code and edit the source
[15:12] <seb128> from your merged branch?
[15:12] <Laney> sure
[15:12] <seb128> or should changes go to one of the feature branches?
[15:12] <Laney> you don't need to care about the separate ones
[15:12] <Laney> otherwise I would have documented those
[15:12] <seb128> but then those get out of sync
[15:12] <Laney> they are to help it get merged eventually
[15:12] <seb128> right, so it's important they don't miss bits
[15:13] <seb128> I feel like it would be easier to have the snapshot made from trunk and patches corresponding to the branches
[15:13] <Laney> I don't see why you would care about that
[15:13] <Laney> if they miss things it's a problem for those doing the upstreaming
[15:13] <seb128> with the patches between generated with a diff between trunk and feature-branch
[15:13] <seb128> well that's my point
[15:13] <Laney> whatever
[15:13] <seb128> if I fix something I want to upstream it to the right place
[15:14] <Laney> seb
[15:14] <seb128> but with the current blob it's difficult to know what's the right branch to submit to
[15:14] <Laney> if that happens
[15:14] <Laney> then I'm extremely happy to help you out
[15:14] <seb128> I guess
[15:14] <Laney> until then it is theoretical
[15:14] <seb128> that just doesn't scale out
[15:14] <seb128> but oh well, you are right
[15:15] <seb128> no point to discuss that for hours
[15:20] <seb128> thanks for the discussion, let's see over time how it works for us/other changing the package
[15:21] <Laney> some of the upstreaming that already happened was off this branch by the way ;-)
[15:23] <seb128> I guess I'm just not used to the git way and juggling with branches
[15:23] <seb128> no idea how to switch between those and do the merging dances
[15:24] <seb128> but nothing stops me to do it doko way worth case
[15:24] <seb128> e.g get the source, change upload
[15:24] <seb128> and let people who understand the vcs to sort out/merge back what was uploaded
[15:25] <Laney> yes, you can do that or push to the wip/iainl/ubuntu-xenial branch
[15:25] <Laney> and then someone else can git cherry-pick it to the right topic one
[15:26] <seb128> but that branch is owned by you?
[15:26] <seb128> can anyone push there?
[15:26] <Laney> yep
[15:26] <seb128> oh, ok
[15:26] <Laney> others have already been doing that
[15:26] <seb128> I though to would be like lp:~id/name
[15:27] <seb128> do we need to code an username in the branch?
[15:27] <Laney> no I thought you did
[15:27] <Laney> but apparently not
[15:27] <seb128> or could we name it like "ubuntu-desktop"
[15:27] <seb128> no
[15:27] <seb128> I had no idea I could push to branches from others
[15:27] <seb128> that concept is confusing to me :p
[15:27] <Laney> seems to be more of a convention than anything else
[15:28] <seb128> is there a way to have a branch you only can change in it?
[15:29] <Laney> not on gnome.org I don't think
[15:29] <seb128> k
[15:29] <seb128> interesting
[15:29] <Laney> on non wip branches you can't force push though
[15:29] <seb128> I guess part of my confusion came from there
[15:29] <Laney> so people can't destroy your changes to those
[15:29] <seb128> I though that branches with an username were owned by the user
[15:30]  * Laney cries at no gpg-agent
[15:30] <seb128> is it still broken in xenial for you?
[15:30] <seb128> it seems to work for me
[15:31] <Laney> probably would work in the session
[15:31] <Laney> but I have a container with dev tools inside
[15:32] <Laney> it only broke recently when someone uploaded the new gpg I think, was working until I upgraded this week :p
[15:32] <Laney> I guess I can fix it somehow, just need to figure it out
[15:39] <seb128> xnox had been complaining about it and I though superm1/xnox had it fixed
[15:39] <seb128> xnox, is there still known issues?
[15:39] <xnox> huh?
[15:40] <superm1> Gnupg
[15:40] <xnox> Laney, your containers are not fixed.
[15:40] <Laney> I can see that :P
[15:41] <xnox> Laney, I only fixed things in upstart user session to do what debian now does in xsession scripts
[15:41] <xnox> Laney, they still use .gnupg/* for the gnupg-agent socket.
[15:41] <xnox> so change your containers to bind-mount that into container, i guess....
[15:42] <xnox> but i don't think it's supported to have multiple agents accessing the same keyring
[15:52] <superm1> yeah i think that's the correct way to do it too
[15:52] <superm1> or at least bind mount the socket
[15:53] <Laney> my whole home directory is bind mounted in there, that's the problem
[15:58] <superm1> well so what happens when you try to start gpg agent in the container with the binded socket?
[15:58] <superm1> does it spit out some informative errors at least?
[15:59] <Laney> it thinks it is started
[15:59] <Laney> and then when something tries to use it it can't
[15:59] <Laney> so I get the fallback
[15:59] <Laney> brb
[15:59] <superm1> so i guess the pinentry part fails somehow
[16:05] <Laney> I once knew how to interact with it manually
[16:12] <seb128> Laney, attente, where are the g-s "picks" coming from?
[16:13] <seb128> did we say we wanted to see if the list works for us or needs tweaking?
[16:14] <attente> seb128: i think it gets filtered from the apps that are listed with a category of "popular" but maybe Laney or ximion can confirm
[16:15] <ximion> attente is right
[16:16] <ximion> it's a hack, and I hope we can get some proper way of doing this into AppStream in later versions, but for now we have this fake-category approach
[16:18] <seb128> how are apps tagged as "popular"?
[16:18] <seb128> is that in the appdata?
[16:21] <seb128> mterry, hey, sorry that nobody has picked up your geonames translations for review, everybody is just overloaded for release atm, feel free to get somebody from touch to hack it
[16:21] <seb128> maybe desrt or larsu have cycles for that
[16:21] <seb128> otherwise I can have a look after next week
[16:22] <seb128> desrt, larsu, just in case you have cycles for a review, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/geonames/translations/+merge/288443
[16:22] <mterry> seb128, I poked my teammates today about it, will continue to do so.  I'll eventually get someone  :)
[16:23] <seb128> yeah, sorry about the lack of traction
[16:24] <seb128> this cycle is especially crazy for us
[16:24] <seb128> we are still landing sort-of-feature-work
[16:25] <seb128> like landed new n-m, gnome-software is still needing quite some work, etc
[16:25] <attente> seb128: looks like /usr/share/gnome-software/modulesets.d/popular.xml i guess which ends up tagging them
[16:25] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, what was the news of a potential libreoffice update with selected segfaultfixes?
[16:25] <seb128> attente, thanks
[16:26] <seb128> willcooke, ^ see that file
[16:26] <Sweet5hark> seb128: one fix wasnt good and there is no nice-and-clean fast fix, so I dropped that one. The rest are currently testbuilding at https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-3-4/+builds?build_state=building
[16:28] <seb128> attente, Laney, willcooke, the tb .desktop doesn't match ours (no "mozilla-"), we probably want to remove geary since I think it's unmaintained upstream now, unsure about the other ones ... unsure if it makes sense to list things that are installed by default?
[16:28] <seb128> Sweet5hark, ok
[16:34] <attente> seb128: i think default installed apps are ok. gs will tag them and the user might want to know what's already available if it's a fresh system
[16:35] <seb128> right, why not
[16:35] <seb128> unsure what we had featured in usc
[16:36] <seb128> in any case it's probably minor compared to other work we still need to do, shouldn't spend too much effort on it, but it should be easy to tweak the list if we want
[17:04] <Laney> we can fix the featured list later on
[17:04] <Laney> IMHO
[17:04] <Laney> the big banner at the top is a bit tricky because you need to supply a huge icon and figure out the background by hand
[17:04] <Laney> I think we would want the design team to help there
[17:04] <Laney> but probably a good idea
[17:07] <Laney> seb128: thanks for the bug assignment ;-)
[17:08] <seb128> Laney, yw :p
[17:08] <seb128> I saw you updated for Debian I think
[17:08] <Laney> ya
[17:48] <Laney> ok, done
[17:48] <Laney> good to do some normal packaging again
[17:48] <Laney> laters
[17:52] <desrt> pah.  mterry has disappeared.
[18:02] <seb128> shrug
[18:03] <desrt> hi seb :)
[18:03] <seb128> Laney, attente, with the new gnome-software I get a dialog that pops in loop "an update is necessary to display all the installed applications. Download now?"
[18:03] <seb128> (translated by me from french so not the exact string)
[18:03] <seb128> clicking yes doesn't seem to do anything
[18:03] <seb128> hey desrt!
[18:04] <desrt> seb128: still sprinting?
[18:04] <seb128> yes
[18:04] <attente> seb128: it should be downloading in the background
[18:04] <desrt> give willcooke a hug for me =)
[18:04] <seb128> desrt, k!
[18:05] <seb128> attente, also is it new that we "os updates" I wonder what that includes
[18:06] <seb128> I clicked on "install" but doesn't seem to do much?
[18:06] <seb128> it spins for a bit then go back to the update list with the same item
[18:08] <attente> seb128: that item includes other packages that aren't applications
[18:09] <seb128> attente, http://imgur.com/MPqz4oO
[18:09]  * seb128 wonders how many times he can get the item
[18:09] <seb128> oh, now g-s segfaulted
[18:11] <attente> seb128: did it start with three of those? or just one?
[18:11] <seb128> I don't know
[18:11] <seb128> I was in the update tab, there was one item
[18:11] <seb128> I click on it
[18:11] <seb128> it displays a spinner
[18:11] <seb128> then after 15 seconds back to the same list with the same item
[18:11] <seb128> so I clicked again
[18:12] <seb128> and you can loop on that
[18:12] <seb128> every time it adds an item to the "installed" tab
[18:23] <seb128> shrug
[18:23] <seb128> that "display the "do you want to refresh" dialog in loop" is annoying
[18:23] <seb128> attente, it does the same in a guest session under gnome-shell :-/
[18:23] <seb128> clicking "yes" starts g-s
[18:24] <seb128> which says that the system is uptodate
[18:24] <GunnarHj> willcooke, seb128: Thought the release schedule was there for a reason. :(
[18:24] <seb128> but closing the u-i and the dialog pop again
[18:24] <seb128> attente, sorry to dump issues on you, I know you are busy with macaroon and other things
[18:24] <seb128> ignore the duplicate "system updates" one
[18:24] <seb128> the dialog seems a regression from the landing today
[18:25] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, indeed, welcome to Ubuntu crazy cycles :-/
[18:25] <GunnarHj> It's the name of the most visible desktop news in 16.04!!
[18:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah :-/
[18:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: So, to not just complain: The new name is better. :)
[18:33] <seb128> :-)
[18:33] <seb128> sorry for all those late changes
[18:34] <GunnarHj> seb128: But I'd vote for a SRU.
[18:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, it's a bit tricky, then the iso has a less obvious item
[18:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: Well, yes... But otherwise it will appear in English in many non-English languages.
[18:37] <seb128> yeah, depends on how many translations we can get done today
[18:37] <GunnarHj> Right
[18:37] <seb128> we can probably patch some langpacks on monday as well to add strings
[18:37] <seb128> that one translated string I mean
[18:38] <GunnarHj> seb128: Is it necessary to build the language packs tomorrow? (I thought the plan was Monday.)
[18:38] <seb128> I read about it on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/04/07/%23ubuntu-release.html#t15:18
[18:38] <seb128> but that's more a question for pitti & co
[18:38] <seb128> pitti, ^ is the langpack export still due for tomorrow?
[18:39] <GunnarHj> seb128, pitti: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+language-packs
[18:40] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, read the log I just pointed at
[18:40] <seb128> normal export are on monday
[18:40] <seb128> but they were talking about doing a special one manually tomorrow for release
[18:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: Aha, missed that.
[18:41] <seb128> darkxst, that grilo-plugins update without ffe is uncool, especially that creates a quite visible regression by moving the apple trailer plugins to extra (not even mentioned in the changelog?!)
[18:41] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1570157
[18:42] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1570157 in totem (Ubuntu) "ubuntu session: missing channels & search items" [High,Incomplete]
[19:08] <seb128> andyrock, Trevinho, is bug #1570555 a known issue?
[19:08] <ubot5`> bug 1570555 in compiz (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/compiz:11:unity::dash::PlacesGroup::Draw:nux::View::ProcessDraw:nux::Layout::ProcessDraw:nux::ScrollView::DrawContent:nux::View::ProcessDraw" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570555
[19:09] <attente> seb128: ok, think the segfault is fixed
[19:10] <seb128> attente, cool
[19:20] <attente> seb128: you said you got that message dialog multiple times?
[19:21] <seb128> yeah
[19:22] <seb128> I get it every time I start gnome-softwarte or at login
[19:22] <seb128> even in a gnome-shell guest session
[19:22] <seb128> it also asks in loop in g-s
[19:23] <seb128> e-software:27466): Gs-WARNING **: Failed to create permission org.freedesktop.packagekit.trigger-offline-update: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.freedesktop.packagekit.trigger-offline-update is not registered
[19:23] <seb128> (gnome-software:27466): Gs-WARNING **: failed to call gs_plugin_refresh on apt: apt transaction returned result exit-failed
[19:23] <seb128> that maybe explains
[19:49] <attente> seb128: ok, i'm a bit worried about timing even though i can't replicate that bug. maybe we should do another release just to fix the upgrade segfault
[19:50] <seb128> attente, maybe it's only my box, going to restart in a bit to try
[19:51] <attente> seb128: sure. but we still have time for a release, right?
[19:51] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, do you still plan a compiz/unity landing before release?
[19:52] <seb128> attente, yes, still have a week, though it's going to be less likely that things get in the iso with the days so probably going to turn into a 0day-SRU if it's after monday
[19:53] <attente> seb128: to avoid a 0day, it has to go today, right?
[19:53] <seb128> no, as said I think until monday is fine
[19:53] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I could do without the problematic changes... Wondering either if I could just release Hud and bamf as they are (Laney?)
[19:53] <seb128> it's just going to be increasingly more difficult to convince the release team to get things in
[19:54] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, the hud keybinding thing?
[19:55] <seb128> Trevinho, I was more thinking about landing https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity/fix-unity-script-crash/+merge/291401 but I see now that it's already in the version which is in proposed
[19:55] <seb128> Trevinho, unity segfaults here if I enable
[19:55] <seb128> Trevinho, unity segfaults here if I enable/disable high contrast (settings accessibility) and open the dash
[19:55] <seb128> likely a bug for SRUs than a release blocker though
[19:56] <seb128> the one I mentioned just before seems to happen sometime on session unlock, Saviq mentioning getting it as well
[19:56] <seb128> it's a bit more concerning
[20:07] <Trevinho> seb128: I agree. Do you have a stack trace?
[20:08] <seb128> Trevinho, see the url I gave before
[20:08] <seb128> it's the most reported compiz issue on xenial atm
[20:08] <seb128> and a new one in xenial
[20:09] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, I'll check that in a bit
[20:09] <seb128> thanks, let me know if you need more info, I've the local dump I can use
[20:37] <andyrock> seb128: https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/9a80f915d7233820648e90a2e54309e95c486249
[20:37] <andyrock> can you reprouce all the time you open the dash?
[20:37] <andyrock> *reproduce it
[20:38] <seb128> andyrock, no
[20:38] <andyrock> mmm can you give the your bt?
[20:38] <seb128> well, unsure, there is one segfault I get when opening the dash after enabling high contrast
[20:39] <seb128> and I got one segfault after unlocking, which is less reliable to trigger
[20:39] <seb128> unsure which one is which now
[20:39] <seb128> I need to try again get new bt
[20:48] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[20:48] <cyphermox> seb128: hey
[20:49] <seb128> cyphermox, that ubiquity slide change to rename software center to GNOME Software is buggy and we are going to need to change it again :-/
[20:49] <seb128> we broke translations by doing the change right?
[20:49] <seb128> so we can as well do that again?
[20:50] <cyphermox> no, it shouldn't have broken translations
[20:50] <seb128> but you changed a string
[20:50] <seb128> to rename it
[20:50] <cyphermox> I changed the original and all the translations
[20:50] <cyphermox> hand-edited
[20:50] <seb128> you speak all languages? ;-)
[20:50] <cyphermox> how is it buggy?
[20:50] <cyphermox> I speak all languages enough to recognize the string "Ubuntu" where it appears
[20:51] <seb128> we don't want to call it GNOME Software
[20:51] <seb128> cyphermox, well, the word order might change for example
[20:51] <cyphermox> how do you want to call it
[20:51] <seb128> Ubuntu Software
[20:51] <cyphermox> seb128: not for fitting in a brand
[20:51] <seb128> well I guess we can sed the translations again
[20:51] <cyphermox> seb128: I was told GNOME people started complaining
[20:51] <cyphermox> sadly, I can't remember who told me that
[20:52] <seb128> right
[20:52] <seb128> but it doesn't mean we don't get to rename it
[20:52] <cyphermox> anyway, whatever, you could just as easily revert my upload, it's not going to break things. I'll make the translation exports available
[20:53] <seb128> cyphermox, bug #1570479
[20:53] <ubot5`> bug 1570479 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "[UIFe][FFe] Change application Name etc to Ubuntu Software" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570479
[20:53] <seb128> cyphermox, willcooke is proposing a branch
[20:53] <seb128> we need to sed through the translations though
[20:53] <cyphermox> well, not necessarily
[20:54] <cyphermox> it was often already Ubuntu Software or something
[20:54] <cyphermox> Ubuntu Store in others
[20:54] <cyphermox> you should really only change /ubuntu/, as some other flavors apparently really do still use software-center
[20:54] <cyphermox> and ubuntu-gnome uses GNOME Software
[20:54] <cyphermox> (was already changed)
[20:55] <cyphermox> willcooke had already done string changes, and those should already have been in the translation export I did
[20:56] <seb128> right
[20:57] <cyphermox> so what do you want to do?
[20:59] <seb128> revert your upload
[20:59] <cyphermox> do you want me to do it or do you want to do it?
[21:02] <cyphermox> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cyphermox/launchpad-export.tar.gz will avoid you sedding so much
[21:02] <seb128> cyphermox, if you could do it it would be great
[21:02] <seb128> willcooke is looking at it but it might be easier for you to do it
[21:04] <cyphermox> you know it will be reverted back to "* Store" or "* Center", right?
[21:05] <cyphermox> that's the best we can do without changing translations
[21:09] <willcooke> reverting back to "With access to the Ubuntu Software Store"
[21:10] <willcooke> is the least bad option at this point (assuming we have translations for that string already)
[21:10] <cyphermox> I agree
[21:10] <willcooke> could you handle that one cyphermox?
[21:10] <willcooke> the revert
[21:10] <cyphermox> already on it, just checking that I didn't miss something
[21:10] <willcooke> nice one, thanks cyphermox
[21:11] <cyphermox> I broke it, least I can do it unbreak it
[21:11] <willcooke> ha
[21:12] <Saviq> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-gst-3.0/+bug/1525285
[21:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1525285 in clutter-gst-3.0 (Ubuntu) "inspecting clutter plugin hangs outside X11" [High,Triaged]
[21:16] <cyphermox> willcooke: sorry for the trouble
[21:17] <seb128> Saviq, k
[21:17] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[21:19] <willcooke> cyphermox, ain't no thing, thanks for fixing it
[21:22] <seb128> andyrock, sorry, was busy with other release issues, do you need/want some more bt from me?
[21:22] <cyphermox> thar, uploaded.
[21:25] <seb128> andyrock, sorry , machine locked on vt switch :-/
[21:40] <andyrock> seb128 i'll try with the one we have
[21:40] <andyrock> it's weird
[21:40] <seb128> why?
[21:41] <andyrock> because it's failing in a line that should not fail
[21:41] <andyrock> i've a possible fix
[21:42] <andyrock> i'm building it
[21:42] <andyrock> but i've to go now
[21:43] <andyrock> i'll check the results later on
[21:45] <seb128> andyrock, ok, let me know if you need details on the line/code
[21:45] <andyrock> seb128: the one on errors.ubuntu should be PlacesGroup.cpp:505
[21:54] <qengho> Did gpg-agent behavior change recently?
[21:55] <willcooke> qengho I think Laney was sad gpg-agent this morning.  Might be totally unrelated
[21:55] <willcooke> indeed he was
[21:55] <willcooke> seb said it was ok for him
[21:55] <willcooke> he'll be back in a sec
[21:56] <qengho> Specifically "gpg-agent" says "already running - not starting", and yet gpg itself says "gpg-agent not available"
[21:57] <willcooke> pitti, olli just saw this when apt-get upgrading his Xenial box:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1447282
[21:57] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1447282 in eCryptfs "Does not use encrypted swap when using GPT partitioning + encrypted home directory (ecryptfs)" [High,Fix committed]
[22:06] <willcooke> qengho, seb128 says there were some fixes in a few days ago.  Worth restarting your session if you haven't done so in the last few days?
[22:07] <seb128> andyrock,
[22:07] <seb128> (gdb) p _background
[22:07] <seb128> $1 = (nux::BaseTexture *) 0x2d12390
[22:07] <seb128> (gdb) p _background->GetHeight()
[22:07] <seb128> Couldn't find method nux::BaseTexture::GetHeight
[22:08] <seb128> 505 is     bg_geo.height = _background->GetHeight();
[22:16] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, in fact I'm able to trigger that crash on demand, so I can provide debug info/test a fix
[22:16] <seb128> just enable high contrast, open dash, disable high contract, open dash
[22:17] <seb128> like if you change that option and open/close dash I hit it almost every time
[22:17] <andyrock> Ok
[22:17] <andyrock> I ll try to fix it during the night
[22:19] <seb128> you should sleep and look at it tomorrow ;-)
[22:39] <seb128> TheMuso, is it known/wanted that the a11y goes away when selecting some profiles? like if you select minor motor difficulties and then high contrast it's removed but the settings still show it as enable
[22:40] <doko> seb128, sorry, I didn't understand your reference in your last comment highlighting me
[22:43] <seb128> TheMuso, also it seems not translated
[22:43] <seb128> doko, don't worry about it, was a random comment
[22:44] <seb128> I was not meant to ping you
[22:51] <seb128> TheMuso, you probably want to build-depends on dh_translations and add "translations" to the dh call in rules
[22:52] <seb128> that should make a .pot generated at build
[22:52] <seb128> that launchpad can import
[23:04] <TheMuso> seb128: Hrm ok, a pot was created at build when I looked into that.
[23:04] <seb128> TheMuso, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/a11y-profile-manager suggests it's not
[23:04] <seb128> the build log also has no reference to it
[23:05] <TheMuso> seb128: If you are referring to the indicator, then all profiles have it enabled, but its likely that its killing itself because the previous profile settings get reset before the new profile is applied, and gnome-session doesn't pick up the changes quick enough to re-launch the indicator.
[23:05] <TheMuso> seb128: Ok thanks for the pointer.
[23:05] <seb128> TheMuso, yw
[23:06] <seb128> TheMuso, changing profile shouldn't change the key that makes it displayed?
[23:06] <TheMuso> seb128: right I have it installed locally which is why I was seeing, it, and didn't know what was doing that.
[23:07] <TheMuso> Well the key is off by default, so the profiles turn it on.
[23:07] <TheMuso> And I would think we would still want it off by default.
[23:07] <seb128> yes
[23:07] <seb128> I just wonder why switching profiles make the indicator be disabled
[23:08] <TheMuso> When you change the profile, the previous profile's settings are reset. The previous profile contains the setting to display the indicator, so that gets turned off. The new profile would contain that setting also, so it gets set to true again, but GNOME session doesn't pick up on the change to relaunch the indicator, and the indicator kills itself because it monitors for that setting to be toggled
[23:09] <TheMuso> to false, and when it is, it kills itself.
[23:09] <TheMuso> The best solution here is to add a timeout I think.
[23:09] <TheMuso> So that the indicator doesn't kill itself when we don't want it to.
[23:09] <seb128> yeah
[23:09] <seb128> or to move that key out of the profile
[23:10] <seb128> so it doesn't get resetted on profile change
[23:10] <TheMuso> Yes, but then how do we turn it on if the user enables a profile?
[23:11] <seb128> well you could make your reset function smarter and ignore that
[23:11] <TheMuso> It could be hard coded in the library, but it was designed in such a way that it would be de agnostic.
[23:11] <TheMuso> Yeah thats what I'm thinking.
[23:11] <seb128> k, well I don't know how often users would switch between profiles
[23:11] <seb128> I just played with it and noticed that
[23:11] <TheMuso> Nevertheless its something that odes need addressing I agree.
[23:12] <TheMuso> And it is something I am aware of, but had other fies to put out so haven't been able to deal with it.
[23:12] <seb128> good, I've no real opinion on the solution
[23:12] <seb128> right, it's probably not a priority
[23:12] <seb128> the translation issue is more important
[23:12] <TheMuso> Yup
[23:12] <TheMuso> indeed.
[23:16] <seb128> attente, do you need debug info to understand why g-s keeps displaying that dialog? do you see the issue if you delete the dir you asked about earlier?
[23:17] <attente> seb128: no, i don't see the issue. maybe i'm not clearing all the right directories
[23:17] <attente> seb128: i think i'll just disable the dialog if gnome-software's window isn't already open
[23:18] <seb128> that would be good because the dialog is not very user friendly at login
[23:18] <attente> although i don't know if that'll fix the repeated pop up
[23:18] <attente> yeah
[23:18] <seb128> but still, when g-s is open it keeps repoping in loop
[23:18] <seb128> so we need to fix that
[23:19] <attente> seb128: i think there's a verbose mode you can try to enable to see if it's reloading the appstream plugin multiple times
[23:28] <seb128> the log suggests the refresh fails
[23:28] <seb128> unsure why though
[23:28] <seb128> oh
[23:28] <seb128> that might be a local issue
[23:29] <seb128> I added the ddeb repo but didn't import the key
[23:29] <seb128> oh, no, it's the chrome repo
[23:29] <seb128> E: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/dists/stable/Release  No Hash entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_Release which is considered strong enough for security purposes
[23:35] <seb128> attente, ok, disabling that fixed the "keep asking" issue
[23:36] <attente> seb128: i knew google talk was up to no good
[23:36] <seb128> hahah
[23:36] <seb128> indeed
[23:37] <seb128> google bastards!
[23:37] <attente> ;)
[23:37] <seb128> so yeah, I think it would still be good to not display that dialog if the ui is not open
[23:38] <seb128> because it's a weird user experience to be greeted at login with that
[23:38] <attente> yeah, agreed. thanks for finding that issue
[23:38] <seb128> yw!
[23:38] <seb128> we could probably handle better the case where you have a repo which has issues
[23:39] <seb128> but that's a lower priority item
[23:39] <seb128> when all the other important things settle down
[23:39] <seb128> I'm going to open a bug about that anyway for later
[23:39] <attente> sure, thanks!


[23:10] <petter__> 2.6.24-19-rt on ubuntu 9.04 and the kernel seems to be loading a 169.x nvidia driver, but the system glx is 180something. how to resolve?
[23:10] <Losha> maco: there's one on freenode, though it does list channels on irc.mozilla.org if the freenode one is unresponsive...
[23:10] <maco> Losha: ah
[23:10] <meowbuntu> thanks guys i have now changed the termin icon in menu to point to xterm
[23:11] <maco> root: running as root is a dangerous plan
[23:11] <root> spoking spanish so anibody
[23:11] <maco> !es | Guest57989
[23:11] <BigUrsis> Is there a way to force check / ?
[23:11] <erUSUL> meowbuntu: that's just papering over the issue; you should find out what happened to your gnome-terminal installation
[23:11] <erUSUL> BigUrsis: sudo touch /forcefsck
[23:11] <auk> i upgraded from 9:10 to 10.4 yesterday
[23:12] <erUSUL> BigUrsis: reboot
[23:12] <maco> meowbuntu: ok so now that you have xterm and can copy and paste.... what does apt-get say?
[23:12] <erUSUL> !lucid | auk
[23:12] <BigUrsis> erUSUL, so ubuntu 9.10 dose honor that?
[23:12] <auk> now the keyboard works only in one of 2 user accounts
[23:12] <paul3333> hi, using envyNG and my monitor's only getting max 800x600 rez, can anyone help ?
[23:12] <auk> erUSUUL: i know :(
[23:12] <Guest57989> Heyy anibody ............ speaking spanish I dont't spoking
[23:12] <erUSUL> BigUrsis: well to be fair its been a long time since i checked if it works ...
[23:12] <auk> *USUL
[23:12] <erUSUL> !es | Guest57989
[23:12] <erUSUL> auk: #ubuntu+1
[23:12] <BigUrsis> nm I was trying  forcecheck not forcefsck
[23:13] <auk> erUSUL: oh, thank you
[23:13] <Guest57989> ok
[23:13] <auk> i'll go there
[23:13] <erUSUL> auk: good luck
[23:13] <auk> thx :)
[23:13] <meowbuntu> ok another question what is better in ubuntu google chrome or chromium browser
[23:13] <nosse1> You guys know of a fb app that I can use to output something on the display?
[23:14] <epaphus> Hey guys.. all that sabayon does is edit the gconf... right?? is that the only file it edits?
[23:14] <Danielpk_> Some1 can help with crontab?
[23:14] <erUSUL> nosse1: can you be more precise?
[23:14] <erUSUL> !cron | Danielpk_
[23:14] <petter__> how to properly set up nvidia/glx in 9.04? if "Hardware drivers" in GNOME doesn't even offer the ability to install it? I've gotten kernel module/glx conflicts galore...
[23:15] <Danielpk_> i followed a tuto and it say to crontab -e with some * * * i dont know what it mean
[23:15] <nosse1> erUSUL, I just need an app that creates an output on a framebuffer. Colorbars or something simple as that
[23:15] <dr3mro> is this normal or a bug try this in terminal and watch memory and cpu usage  "for i in `seq 1<PHONE_NUMBER>00000000` ; do echo $i ;done"
[23:16] <petter__> I've removed all other traces and tried to install nvidia-glx-180 but nothing works :/
[23:16] <paul3333> hi, using envyNG and my monitor's only getting max 800x600 rez, can anyone help ??
[23:16] <gigawatt> ok i just tested my bug, and it seems that youtube crashes in both firefox and chrome
[23:16] <erUSUL> nosse1: you can run an entire Xserver in fb --> xserver-xfbdev
[23:16] <calum> What is the latest version of rootkit hunter?
[23:17] <hiexpo> anonr know what a good lyrics app is ?
[23:17] <hiexpo> anyone
[23:17] <dr3mro> is this normal or a bug try this in terminal and watch memory and cpu usage  "for i in `seq 1<PHONE_NUMBER>00000000` ; do echo $i ;done"
[23:17] <frxstrem> can anyone recommend a good and easy FTP server for Ubuntu?
[23:17] <meowbuntu> maco it says this when i try to remove gnome-terminal  sudo mkdir /etc/apt/preferences.d
[23:17] <meowbuntu> gssapi-krb5-2':
[23:17] <meowbuntu>  field name `Installed-Size;' must be followed by colon
[23:17] <meowbuntu> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[23:18] <nosse1> erUSUL, no I cant run xserver yet, because I'm debugging fbdev....
[23:18] <calum> frxstrem: I found something called wuftp in the repos, give it a try. I don't know what it is like though
[23:18] <frxstrem> calum: okay, thanks :)
[23:18] <maco> meowbuntu: gssapi-krb5-2 is broken then...  try purging it with dpkg.  "sudo dpkg -P gssapi-krb5-2" ?
[23:18] <gigawatt> hey how can i get firefox to spit out debug messages???
[23:19] <cable> need some with installing something
[23:19] <hiexpo> !ask
[23:19] <[1]Freeloop> My screen is not detected on 9.10 when I run it on VMWare. Running VMware tools OK, but still no good. What to do?
[23:20] <punchyou> hello i just got my unbuntu cd in the mail. which one is the live cd. I have ubuntu and kubuntu.
 i just installed libmtp and i am having trouble withit
[23:20] <AK> hey how can I record Sound recorder to my own voice via internal microphone. I can play record while playing music but not my own voice
[23:20] <meowbuntu> meowbuntu@meowbuntu-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg -P gssapi-krb5-2
[23:20] <meowbuntu> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 3906 package 'libgssapi-krb5-2':
[23:20] <meowbuntu>  field name `Installed-Size;' must be followed by colon
[23:20] <cable> i tried sudo apt-get install libmtp
[23:20] <meowbuntu> maco, seems to be anb auto error
[23:21] <cable> and the terminal said that it cannot fond file
[23:21] <dr3mro> is this normal or a bug try this in terminal and watch memory and cpu usage  "for i in `seq 1<PHONE_NUMBER>00000000` ; do echo $i ;done"
[23:21] <dr3mro> exit
[23:21] <dr3mro> quit
[23:21] <AK> Sound Preferences : hardware profile - Analog Stero Output and Out Connector - Analog Output
[23:21] <dr3mro> bye bye
[23:21] <maco> meowbuntu: looks like you install gssapi-krb5-2 and that package was packaged wrong
[23:22] <hiexpo> libmtp is in the repos
[23:22] <cable> what do you mean repo?
[23:22] <punchyou> does ubuntu 9.10 desktop edition also work as a live cd?
[23:22] <paul3333> can anyone help me with screen resolution problems?
[23:22] <Freeloop> punchyou: yes
[23:22] <erUSUL> maco: or he just got filesystem corruption; which can explain both issues...
[23:22] <hiexpo> punchyou, yes
[23:22] <punchyou> ok thank you
[23:22] <meowbuntu> maco, all i did was install the chromium browser .deb file
[23:22] <maco> erUSUL: ooh thats true...
[23:23] <AK> hey how can I record Sound recorder to my own voice via internal microphone. I can play record while playing music but not my own voice.
[23:23] <AK> Well Sound Preferences settings : hardware profile -> Analog Stero Output and Output Connector -> Analog Output
[23:23] <meowbuntu> maco, i got the package from here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-chromium-google-chrome-in-ubuntu-using-deb-package.html
[23:23] <erUSUL> meowbuntu: you should do a fsck of the root partition from a livecd ...
[23:24] <ZykoticK9> cable, you're probably looking for - libmtp8 - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library
[23:24] <hiexpo> its it synaptic
[23:24] <cable> it is for creative zen media player
[23:24] <meowbuntu> erUSUL, it did fsck when booting
[23:24] <AK> Download  and install the  package directly from the website
[23:24] <AK> http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html
[23:25] <erUSUL> meowbuntu: can you check if you have something in /lost+found/ folder?
[23:25] <meowbuntu> ok i will do again then from live cd thru gparted then
[23:25] <cable> I wiki-ed the player and the website they sent me to was libmtp for this particular player
[23:25] <macman_> hey all
[23:26] <cable> sup patna
[23:26] <paul3333> can anyone help me with screen resolution problems?
[23:27] <meowbuntu> erUSUL, i have several files there
[23:27] <hiexpo> system/administration/hardware drivers
[23:27] <paul3333> common...in the name of ubuntu :)
[23:28] <erUSUL> meowbuntu: that means that there was corruption and that fsck moved files there. maybe it was fsck the one who moved gnome-terminal form its place
[23:28] <Abtomik> meatbun are you there?
[23:28] <Abtomik> conf is sent
[23:28] <ZykoticK9> paul3333, what graphics card are you using?
[23:28] <erUSUL> !fixres | meowbuntu
[23:28] <erUSUL> !fixres | paul3333
[23:29] <erUSUL> meowbuntu: sorry the fixres thing was not for you
[23:29] <AK> hey how can I record Sound recorder to my own voice via internal microphone. I can play record while playing music but not my own voice.
[23:29] <AK> Well Sound Preferences settings : hardware profile -> Analog Stero Output and Output Connector -> Analog Output
[23:29] <cable> where are files located
[23:29] <Abtomik> Guys can anyone help me with phase 2 issue?
[23:29] <meowbuntu> !image
[23:29] <Abtomik> 7|Apr 10 2010 00:27:18|715047: Group = x.x.x.x, IP = x.x.x.x, processing hash payload
[23:29] <Abtomik> 7|Apr 10 2010 00:27:18|715047: Group = x.x.x.x, IP = x.x.x.x, processing notify payload
[23:29] <Abtomik> 7|Apr 10 2010 00:27:18|715075: Group = x.x.x.x, IP = x.x.x.x, Received keep-alive of type DPD R-U-THERE (seq number 0x1554)
[23:29] <Abtomik> 7|Apr 10 2010 00:27:18|715036: Group = x.x.x.x, IP = x.x.x.x, Sending keep-alive of type DPD R-U-THERE-ACK (seq number 0x1554)
[23:29] <Abtomik> 7|Apr 10 2010 00:27:18|715046: Group = x.x.x.x, IP = x.x.x.x, constructing blank hash payload
[23:29] <FloodBot3> Abtomik: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:29] <Abtomik> 7|Apr 10 2010 00:27:18|715046: Group = x.x.x.x, IP = x.x.x.x, constructing qm hash payload
[23:30] <hiexpo> !flood
[23:30] <Vigo> cable: Do you use CLI or GUI?
[23:30] <cable> i guess gui
[23:30] <Zenker> is there a program that i can burn an avi to a dvd that will play in a dvd player?
[23:30] <erUSUL> Zenker: devede
[23:30] <Vigo> cable: Ok, Places>Home
[23:31] <cable> i have gnome enviro
[23:31] <Zenker> awsome thank you erUSUL
[23:31] <cable> ok how can i locate file from applications menu?
[23:32] <hiexpo> zenker devede
[23:32] <Sia--> in /usr/share/applications/ * .desktop cable
[23:32] <erUSUL> Zenker: no problem
[23:32] <hiexpo> i was slow was looking at the hack
[23:33] <Vigo> cable: See Places?
[23:34] <deagle> hello all
[23:34] <Vigo> cable: just mouse over them.
[23:35] <deagle> i'm trying to install ubuntu, but every time i install from the liveCD GRUB won't work
[23:35] <Sia--> deagle, hi
[23:36] <linux3> hello.  I am trying to get a logitech Quickcam for Notebooks (046d:08dd) setup with cheese
[23:36] <erUSUL> !webcam
[23:36] <Sia--> deagle, use minimal one or text based install, i know installing linux wuth _GU_I is ***
[23:36] <Sia--> linux3, try to install cheese
[23:37] <deagle> Sia-- eh?
[23:37] <deagle> text based install?
[23:38] <linux3> my webcam is not listed with the ID it shows
[23:39] <linux3> cheese shows a picture, but its like one static shot that does not update
[23:39] <Sia--> deagle, yes
[23:40] <deagle> how do I go about that?
[23:41] <Sia--> !tell deagle about alternate CD
[23:42] <deagle> but it installed fine before o.O
[23:42] <Gadwil> I just re-installed Karmic and all updates.  Anyone know why Firefox is showing up as Namoroka?
[23:42] <doctorZeus> should I expect any errors or required system changes if I upgrade my CPU?
[23:42] <peppo> anyone on 2.6.24-19-rt on 9.04?
[23:42] <Sia--> deagle, use minmal CD
[23:42] <Sia--> maybe you CD is broken
[23:42] <Rods_Tiger> which channel has beer?
[23:42] <IdleOne> Rods_Tiger: not this one
[23:42] <linux3> how do i determine if I need a different driver for my logitech quickcam for notebooks ?
[23:43] <Gadwil> doctorZeus, You shouldn't notice anything, as long as your BIOS supports the new CPU.
[23:44] <epaphus> Hey guys.. all that sabayon does is edit the gconf... right?? is that the only file it edits?\
[23:45] <doctorZeus> Gadwil, thanks.  understand, concerned moreso with if ubuntu would have any problems.
[23:45] <linux3> webcam anyone?
[23:45] <ZykoticK9> epaphus, i don't understand your question.  Sabayon is a distro of linux, based off of gentoo.
[23:46] <Sia--> linux3, check the ubuntu wiki for you webcam model
[23:46] <epaphus> ZykoticK9, there is an application called sabayon to edit gnome appearance
[23:46] <Guest84022> Hello all
[23:47] <Alan502> Hi, would someone help me getting my microphone work with audacity?
[23:47] <ZykoticK9> epaphus, ahhh, i've never heard of it.  good luck man.
[23:47] <Gadwil> Alan502, Will your microphone work with any other program?
[23:48] <Alan502> Gadwil, yes, i've tried with skype and it does work
[23:48] <wilder> +i
[23:48] <Sia--> Alan502, with skype? you have change or chose another input channel
[23:49] <Alan502> Sia--, yes, i've tried all the input channels
[23:49] <Gadwil> Alan502,  Try opening Audacity when it is the only program that can access the microphone, sometimes other programs interfere.
[23:49] <Alan502> but still none of them lets me get clear voice :(
[23:49] <Gadwil> What does it give you besides a "Clear voice"?
[23:50] <rebelstar> hey all, ctrl key is not functioning...what could be done ( it works on windows though)
[23:50] <Alan502> idk a buzzy sound
[23:50] <Sia--> Alan502, and what is about gamix or gnome alsamixer?
[23:50] <linux3> well xawtv worked just now, how do I get cheese to stream my video?
[23:50] <Alan502> Sia--, should i get you a screenshot of my alsamixer?
[23:51] <Gadwil> Alan502, Is anything around interfering with the microphone?  Wired or Wireless?
[23:51] <rebelstar>  hey all, ctrl key is not functioning all of  a sudden .what could be done ( it works on windows though)
[23:51] <Sia--> Alan502, UBUTNU using not alsamixer or advanced like gamix
[23:51] <Alan502> Gadwil, it's a wired microphone... nothing interfering it i guess
[23:51] <Sia--> install gamix and play with options and volumes
[23:51] <ironfoot495> I had to use fsck due to loosing ubuntu 9.10 how do
[23:52] <joyfulgirl> Howdy, folks. I'm helping a friend debug wireless on her new Ubuntu install, but I'm not an Ubuntu user myself. She's correctly installed the b43 wireless driver + firmware, but neither Ubuntu's wireless manager nor `ifconfig -a' is aware of any wireless interfaces.
[23:52] <Alan502> Sia--, ok
[23:52] <ironfoot495> i get the xubuntu desktop back with out loosing data??
[23:52] <linux3> the id# is different in the wiki than than output of my webcam
[23:52] <Sia--> ironfoot495, yes
[23:52] <Sia--> just install it and change you GUI session to xubuntu
[23:53] <rebelstar>  hey all, ctrl key is not functioning...what could be done ( it works on windows though)
[23:53] <jbobsully11> My computer has about 3 different versions of Ubuntu installed on it; how can I get rid of some of those?
[23:53] <joyfulgirl> I've been googling a bit, but so far nothing's helped (the wl driver was already unloaded, she's rebooted, installing aircrack-ng has produced no change...)
[23:53] <jbobsully11> I'm dual booting w/Windows
[23:53] <Gadwil> jbobsully11, Do you mean the extra Kernels?
[23:53] <jbobsully11> possibly
[23:54] <linux3> can xawtv output be used for live chat?  how?
[23:54] <jbobsully11> at the first menu to select an operating system, it has 2 versions (I forget what they are exactly) and Windows
[23:54] <Gadwil> jbobsully11, Install the "startup-manager" package (w/o quotes) and tell it to only show 1, also set it to show a recovery, just in case you need it.  I wouldn't remove the older kernels.
[23:54] <ironfoot495> Sia--: I used fsck to restore my  ubuntu 9.10 server. I'm at the login but it doesn't let me see the desktop is ther a way?
[23:54] <jbobsully11> thanks
[23:55] <Guest67793> I'm dual booting XP/Ubuntu 9.10 and I'm planning to upgrade my processor, will anything happen to my Ubuntu partition?
[23:55] <trinikrono> ironfoot495: it doesnt let you login?
[23:55] <happyface> what plugin is this page using? I can't figure it out: http://www2.tsn.ca/window/Masters2010/Default.html?loadtime=1270853304364&reloads=3
[23:55] <epicblusta> Hello, people. Has anyone installed Ubuntu 9.10 over VirtualBox or VMWare Fusion in OSX?
[23:55] <ironfoot495> you're write is there  a way?
[23:55] <trinikrono> epicblusta: it should work lol
[23:55] <trinikrono> ironfoot495: did you lose the password i mean
[23:56] <ironfoot495> I can become root though!
[23:56] <ironfoot495> No
[23:56] <trinikrono> because you can go in the recovery mode and reset it
[23:56] <trinikrono> what does it say then
[23:56] <trinikrono> when you try to login
[23:56] <Moral_> Just installed updates to kernel 31-20... Now it wont boot... "udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured. Settle is not permitted while udev is unconfigured. svgalib: cannot open /dev/mem
[23:56] <Moral_> then it dropped me to a shell
[23:56] <ironfoot495> I tried startx but it does'nt respond!!
[23:56] <ironfoot495> GDM does'nt work either.
[23:57] <trinikrono> it wont allow root to start x
[23:57] <trinikrono> make a next user
[23:57] <trinikrono> and try to start x from there
[23:57] <_pg_> best security/stealth/paranoid distro? anyone
[23:57] <ironfoot495> OH! ok!
[23:57] <ZykoticK9> happyface, even using the Windows version of Firefox (in wine) I can't figure out what plugin TSN is using.  Best of luck.
[23:58] <happyface> ZykoticK9: I've tried chrome, firefox, IE, ie compat in windows and linux and read the source... can't figure it out
[23:58] <epicblusta> trinikrono: lol. Well, that's the thing. It doesn't. When i'm installing I get a libx86.so1 error. Apparently my hard drive is damaged over a ivirtual machine? what can it be?
[23:58] <trinikrono> epicblusta: which ubuntu you said?
[23:59] <trinikrono> 9.04?
[23:59] <epicblusta> trinikrono: 9.10
[23:59] <trinikrono> try 9.04 lol
[23:59] <trinikrono> see if it does the same thing
[23:59] <epicblusta> trinikrono: well, sounds like sound advise, lol.
[23:59] <Moral_> wow I'm gonna have to reinstall ubuntu AGAIN


[18:40] <studio-user999> what did i get myself into ????????????????????
[18:41] <OvenWerks> ??
[18:51] <Eickmeyer> Such drama. Much question. Wow.
[20:29] <studio-user614> join
[20:29] <studio-user614> help
[20:30] <studio-user614> trying to install ubuntu studio as my new ios to replace my windows 8 ios. not sue how to do so though. help please
[20:36] <SlidingHorn> studio-user614: are you wanting to install beside windows, or replace windows entirely?
[20:41] <studio-user853> damn hit a button. im still here
[20:58] <studio-user630> hello everyone!


[11:56] <mirespace> Hi, I'm looking for someone in +1 maintenance in the incoming weeks, preferreably in CEST time (UTC/GMT +2) or close, who I can shadow for learning purposes (I promise not to bother too much)
[12:04] <mirespace> If anyone is interested, please ping me ... thank you
[12:22] <rbasak> mirespace: mine is on Monday 10/7 at 1100 UTC
[12:23] <mirespace> rbasak, it's ok for me, thanks!
[15:09] <kenvandine> @pilot in
[16:06] <danilogondolfo> Can someone run this test for me please? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=s390x&package=sudo&ppa=danilogondolfo/sudo&trigger=sudo/1.9.13p3-3ubuntu1
[16:09] <ginggs> danilogondolfo: .
[16:09] <danilogondolfo> ginggs, thank you!
[16:56] <enr0n> Can a core dev please trigger these PPA autopkgtests for me?
[16:56] <enr0n> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=arm64&package=systemd&ppa=enr0n/systemd&trigger=systemd/253.5-1ubuntu1~ppa1
[16:56] <enr0n> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=armhf&package=systemd&ppa=enr0n/systemd&trigger=systemd/253.5-1ubuntu1~ppa1
[16:56] <enr0n> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=amd64&package=systemd&ppa=enr0n/systemd&trigger=systemd/253.5-1ubuntu1~ppa1
[16:56] <enr0n> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=ppc64el&package=systemd&ppa=enr0n/systemd&trigger=systemd/253.5-1ubuntu1~ppa1
[16:56] <enr0n> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=s390x&package=systemd&ppa=enr0n/systemd&trigger=systemd/253.5-1ubuntu1~ppa1
[16:57] <ginggs> enr0n: on it...
[16:58] <ginggs> .
[17:19] <enr0n> ginggs: thanks!
[17:44] <danilogondolfo> Can someone run another test for me please? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=mantic&arch=amd64&package=netcat-openbsd&ppa=danilogondolfo/netcat-openbsd&trigger=netcat-openbsd/1.225-1ubuntu1
[17:46] <bdmurray> danilogondolfo: done
[17:46] <danilogondolfo> bdmurray, thank you!
[17:57] <vorlon> utkarsh2102: hi, why is https://code.launchpad.net/~enr0n/ubuntu/+source/rdflib-sqlalchemy/+git/rdflib-sqlalchemy/+merge/445579 marked as having you as the reviewer?  (Going through +1 maintenance reports, saw that this isn't on the sponsorship queue)
[17:58] <utkarsh2102> vorlon: hey, I told Nick I’ll sponsor that but got sidetracked and I was off today. I intend to do it tomorrow.
[17:58] <vorlon> ok
[17:59] <utkarsh2102> I also kept it as-is because I wanted to provide feedback on that one
[17:59] <utkarsh2102> Mostly good :)
[19:08] <kenvandine> @pilot out


[09:16] <tjaalton> lightdm login screen doesn't seem to switch the display off after awhile
[12:37] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: fyi, I'm preparing xorg-server security updates, and they will collide with stuff in -proposed unfortunately
[12:37] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: I can rebase the stuff in -proposed when I'm done if you'd like
[12:38] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: CVE-2013-4396?
[12:38] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: that and CVE-2013-1056 in our xkb caching patch
[12:38] <tjaalton> I uploaded that one yesterday and it got through aiui
[12:39] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: for saucy yes, I'm doing the stable releases
[12:39] <tjaalton> ah
[12:39] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: thanks for saucy btw
[12:39] <tjaalton> yeah I forgot about the stable ones :)
[12:40] <mlankhorst> mdeslaur: eep stable releases :)
[12:40] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: sorry for the collision, it's rather unfortunate and a PITA part of the security update process
[12:41] <mlankhorst> yeah :/
[12:42] <tjaalton> oh
[12:43] <tjaalton> yeah I had a few oem-priority fixes there..
[12:43] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: in raring-proposed?
[12:43] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: or the one mlankhorst just uploaded to precise-proposed?
[12:44] <tjaalton> quantal
[12:44] <tjaalton> and the backport
[12:44] <tjaalton> to precise
[12:44] <tjaalton> 2:1.13.0-0ubuntu6.3
[12:45] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: if all goes well, I'll be publishing them tomorrow, so we can re-upload to -proposed after that
[12:47] <tjaalton> this one didn't even get accepted
[12:47] <tjaalton> yet
[12:48] <mdeslaur> it depends how long it's going to take me to rebuild half of the backported raring stack into the -security pocket *sigh*
[12:51] <mlankhorst> always fun :P
[12:52] <mlankhorst> too bad we have to keep changelog history, it would be so much easier without..


[01:31] <zerothis> How do I share folder on the network. the share tab is gone from the properties?
[02:26] <jules__> Hi, i'm having a problem with an audio card, can someones help me?
[02:27] <jules__> anybody?...
[02:30] <jules__> nope?
[02:30] <jules__> ...
[02:30] <jules__> rrrright
[02:48] <R1cochet> is there a way to take a borderless screenshot of a window?
[03:00] <jules__> It worked!!
[03:00] <jules__> thanks to everybody!
[03:00] <jules__> byeee
[03:05] <ron_o> R1cochet, 'select a region' option?
[03:07] <ron_o> I don't take many screen shots.
[03:13] <R1cochet> yea i was just wondering if there was a different way to get it w/out window borders
[03:13] <R1cochet> ty much
[08:16] <mozbuntu> can anyone help with a copuple of issues regarding screen resolution xubuntu and a xubuntu installation that needs tweaking to work
[09:08] <mozbuntu>  can anyone help with a copuple of issues regarding screen resolution xubuntu and a xubuntu installation that needs tweaking to work
[09:08] <mozbuntu> I am trying to get Xubuntu to match a new HP  screen resolution
[10:22] <nikolam> hi.
[10:22] <Slonkie> !hi | nikolam
[10:23] <nikolam> how do I make Xubuntu 9.04 64-bit, remember resolution?
[10:23] <nikolam> Every time I log in, resolution is set to highest, the same gdm is using
[10:24] <nikolam> also network manager does not work so i had to edit network settings files maually
[10:24] <nikolam> I make netwotk connection in network manager and it always disappear
[10:25] <nikolam> Also, how do I lock the screen in Xubuntu?
[10:27] <nikolam> and again, there are no callouts over network monitor applet in the panel
[10:28] <nikolam> In network manager it states that "device is not managed" and i can not be used to set network settings..
[12:34] <Kangarooo> where is sessions saved? withch folder?
[12:38] <Kangarooo1> something strange.. im not using sessions and deleted session folder.. but xchat and firefox auto starts.. maybe some bug if openbox installed also?
[12:44] <cemunal> hi all
[12:44] <Kangarooo1> ok ill try again correctlly.. I have xubuntu and sessions are not saved. and session folder deleted 1week ago. so no session should be opening any programms.. but.. I installed openbox and try switching between openbox and gnome sessions. then electricity lost and since I start computer now FF and Xchat starts.. since electricity I think has nothing to do with this problem maybe then openbox?
[12:45] <cemunal> will xubuntu 8.04.3 release when ubuntu 8.04.3 release?
[12:45] <Kangarooo1> its already ubuntu 9.04 and xubuntu 9.04
[12:46] <Kangarooo1> I think yes 100% xubuntu team released xfce ubuntu version immidiatlly
[13:06] <Shmeck> I have a serious problem, but I don't think you guys can help me
[13:07] <Shmeck> I've been using xubuntu for a few days now
[13:07] <Shmeck> and now I have this job I have to do on my other machine, which is a windows machine
[13:07] <Shmeck> and I seriously don't feel like doing it :D
[13:08] <Shmeck> only I still don't really appreciate Vim
[13:08] <Shmeck> blasted thing
[14:45] <iiii> Does anyone know how to use an external monitor on an eee 701 w/ xubuntu?
[14:46] <iiii> anybody?
[14:46] <iiii> nobody?
[14:47] <knome> iiii, settings > display
[14:53] <iiii> I don't have setting > display, but settings > settings manager > display doesn't give me multi-monitor options
[16:29] <hhh2> how  can update ristretto image viewer? i have xubuntu hardy
[16:30] <hhh2> from 0.0.18 to 0.0.22
[16:30] <hhh2> i have downloaded ristretto-0.0.22-tar.gz  yet
[16:31] <hhh2> .tar.gz*
[17:43] <Ben_Cs> hello
[17:43] <Ben_Cs> an offtopic question:
[17:44] <Ben_Cs> those of you that code in python: what's your favorite editor/ide
[17:44] <Ben_Cs> ?
[17:44] <S0210> I have Xubuntu 9.04 with Opera 9.64 but I can only see a big white square on the youtube pages. The flash plugin is installed and I can even hear the videos but I can't see anything. What to check?
[17:44] <Genelyk> uhmm
[17:52] <S0210> But it's strange because I can see the embedded video on http://unite.opera.com/ ... {:-.
[18:02] <ramrod> i have the same problem S0210
[18:03] <ramrod> sound but no picture in opera
[18:04] <S0210> ugh... at last somebody confirming the bug :-)
[18:05] <S0210> I also tried to ask about it on operanet but no response at all
[18:31] <Kangarooo> ramrod and S02120 maybe flash block? I just checked and didn't see video also when I unblocked video
[18:31] <Kangarooo> in FF
[18:33] <slimjimflim> anybody know how to et wpa working?  wifi-radar doesn't seem to like it
[18:51] <n2diy> I just did a fresh install of 8.04, and have the system up to date. I'm customizing my desktop, and when I move the top panel down to the bottom of the desktop, both panels dissapear, and I have to ctrl-alt+backspace, to regain control of the system. When I log back in, everything is ok, until I try to move the top panel again, what gives?
[19:37] <kromar> hi, any idea where i can find a driver for a ATI FireGL 9000?
[19:38] <kromar> or how i make this card work with xubuntu?
[19:50] <kromar> arr looks like i installed a wrong driver... now the display is all colored and cant recognize anything:/ how can i remove something with console?
[20:27] <SiDi> kromar: if the hardware drivers window doesnt offer you any driver then there likely is none
[20:27] <SiDi> there could be free / proprietary drivers for a more ancient / recent version of the kernel, though, kromar
[20:27] <SiDi> but you should look for an #ati channel for such information
[20:27] <kromar> and where could i find one of these ancient drivers?
[20:41] <SiDi> on ati's website, i guess.. i never downloaded ati drivers
[20:42] <SiDi> kromar you should join #ati and ask them out
[21:44] <kromar> hi
[21:44] <kromar> remember the problem i had that my desktop wallpaper and other settings got reset after rebooting?
[21:44] <SiDi> kromar: its very confusing
[21:44] <SiDi> another "kromar" left 30 minutes ago
[21:44] <SiDi> but yes i remember ;)
[21:45] <kromar> i guess that was me:D
[21:45] <SiDi> okey :p
[21:45] <SiDi> not the same hostname :D
[21:45] <kromar> well guess what, i reinstalled form the downloaded 9.04 (last time you told me to try it) and i have the same problem again:/
[21:45] <kromar> hmm strange:O
[21:46] <SiDi> It's your hardware then :|
[21:46] <SiDi> you're in ext3 with a clean install from the liveCD, right ?
[21:47] <kromar> exactly... maybe the problem is that the wallpaper is on a different drive? (ntfs format)
[21:56] <uofm49426> how would i mount it and have it mount everytime i boot
[21:56] <uofm49426> ntfs window
[21:57] <Slonkie> !fstab
[21:57] <Slonkie> !mount
[21:57] <Slonkie> Explains it quite well.
[21:57] <n2diy> I have a new install of 8.04 on my test box, and I can't change my keyboard layout, or move my panels around?
[21:59] <uofm49426> why wont ntfs-config tool work
[21:59] <uofm49426> keeps telling me this ** (ntfs-config:23610): WARNING **: /media/windows contains an invalid caracter.
[21:59] <uofm49426> you must choose a name, not a directory.
[22:00] <n2diy> I had ubuntu installed on my test box, and I replaced it with Xubuntu. I didn't reformat /home, would the old setting from Ubuntu confict/confuse Xubuntu?
[22:01] <n2diy> conflict
[22:12] <kromar> when my ntfs drives only get mounted when i access them then the mount entry is wrong? or is that how its supposed to be?
[22:16] <kromar> and why the heck cant i turn my sound up to 100%? i always need to open the properties and turn it up manually:/
[22:17] <kromar> and if its on 100% and i change the volume over the panel icon it will max to 90% again....
[22:19] <kromar> and even when everything is maxed its not very loud.. how can i boost the volume so its as loud as it should be? o_O
[22:30] <SiDi> n2diy: no it should be ok
[22:31] <SiDi> kromar: do you have the ntfs drive automounting in /etc/fstab ?
[22:31] <SiDi> kromar: i think i asked you the last time if you were using ntfs/fat partitions.; :D
[22:31] <SiDi> kromar: the 90% bug is fixed in xfce
[22:31] <SiDi> kromar: it'll disappear in karmic
[22:31] <kromar> SiDi: i havent changed anything yet, its a fresh install
[22:31] <SiDi> kromar: okey
[22:32] <kromar> SiDi: do i need to change the fstab manualy?
[22:32] <SiDi> kromar: the reason may be that when the wallpaper is loaded, the ntfs partition isnt mounted by xfce yet, the solution is to put it in /etc/fstab so its mounted before
[22:32] <SiDi> kromar: yes
[22:32] <SiDi> !fstab
[22:32] <SiDi> here are some resources
[22:33] <SiDi> kromar: as for its not very loud, there are 2 clues : go to xfce4-mixer, properties, check every box, max out PCM / Headphones too (and maybe other tracks too)
[22:33] <SiDi> and the second possibility is that your card model isnt exactly recognised, but we'll see this after fstab and after you checked the tracks
[22:34] <kromar> i already tested every slider, but anything other than front,speaker and master there is no change in volume
[22:35] <SiDi> ok then
[22:35] <SiDi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[22:36] <SiDi> and at the bottom of the french doc there is a quite accurate list of most common models (read the english one first :p) http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/audio_intel_hda
[22:37] <kromar> ok ok first the fstab, that has priority^
[22:39] <kromar> ok looks like there is only the floppy and dvd in fstab
[22:42] <SiDi> indeed ;)
[22:42] <SiDi> check the tuxfiles.org link above
[22:42] <SiDi> it has examples as far as i recall
[22:42] <kromar> yeah im reading how to set up the other drives:D
[22:43] <SiDi> i need to reboot, brb
[22:43] <kromar> kk
[22:52] <kromar> SiDi: can you take a look at this line and tell me if its correct? /dev/sdb1	/media/Seagate		ntfs	auto	0	1
[22:52] <SiDi> it looks ok
[22:53] <kromar> the mount point is correct like that?
[22:53] <SiDi> turn "auto" into "defaults, auto"
[22:53] <SiDi> yeh
[22:53] <SiDi> type sudo mount -a to check
[22:54] <kromar> the folder exists like that in /media
[22:54] <SiDi> i hope it does
[22:55] <SiDi> any error appearing when you type the command ?
[22:55] <kromar> nope
[22:55] <kromar> nothing, just new line in the terminal
[22:56] <kromar> there is an entry in fstab like UUID=f53140ac-ee0a-4b08-8d4a-8e60d2d835de ..... is that my xubuntu partition?
[22:59] <kromar> gona reboot and see if it works
[23:01] <kromar> wohoo seems to work:D
[23:02] <kromar> arr but sound again at 0%
[23:04] <SiDi> ookey :P
[23:04] <SiDi> as for sound, open xfce4-mixer and unmute every track
[23:04] <SiDi> <hda
[23:04] <SiDi> !hda
[23:04] <SiDi> ffs
[23:04] <SiDi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[23:05] <kromar> where is this mixer? is it the one in the control panel?
[23:06] <SiDi> click the sound button in the panel
[23:06] <kromar> thx got it
[23:06] <kromar> gona read that page and see if it fixes my problem
[23:07] <kromar> btw why does blender not get updated in the package manager? its already v2.49a out and its still 2.48 in the downloader o_O
[23:07] <SiDi> !info blender jaunty
[23:07] <SiDi> The way Ubuntu works : every release, all the packages are updated in the whole ubuntu repositories
[23:08] <SiDi> by the meanwhile, only security fixes and sometimes important feature fixes are added to the updates
[23:08] <SiDi> to avoid breaking working apps (even if it'd happen 1/1000 for 1/10000 users, its still annoying)
[23:09] <SiDi> so you have several possibilities : 1) wait | 2) find a ubuntu repository for blender (https://launchpad.net/blender is a good start) | 3) download and compile source (bad idea)
[23:09] <kromar> why is compiling a bad idea?
[23:11] <SiDi> because :]
[23:11] <kromar> well blender 2.49 is out for some month now if im not wrong... so how long will it take for the new version to be available?
[23:11] <SiDi> because the deb installed with the package manager will also be managed by it
[23:11] <SiDi> the correct way to go would be : 1) compile | 2) package | 3) install
[23:11] <SiDi> and you dont wanna try 2)
[23:12] <SiDi> kromar: as i said, it'll take up to 6 months
[23:12] <SiDi> !info blender karmic
[23:12] <SiDi> It's actually gonna be done before 17th of august
[23:12] <SiDi> but jaunty wont have it
[23:13] <SiDi> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bleedingedge/+archive/ppa
[23:13] <kromar> by august 2.5 might be available...
[23:16] <kromar> if i download a packed blender, how do i install that?
[23:16] <SiDi> before 17th of august, blender will pass from 2.48 to 2.##, ## being the last stable release
[23:16] <SiDi> use the link above and install the PPA
[23:17] <kromar> thats a link to blender 2.45
[23:17] <SiDi> oh
[23:17] <SiDi> didnt notice they stopped uploading
[23:18] <SiDi> http://www.blender.org/download/get-blender/
[23:18] <SiDi> download the ubuntu .deb
[23:18] <SiDi> not the source
[23:18] <SiDi> and then double click on the .deb file whenyou have i
[23:18] <SiDi> t
[23:18] <kromar> oh didnt see that one:O
[23:19] <kromar> you think its possible to install the 32 and the 64 bit version?
[23:24] <SiDi> install the one you need
[23:24] <SiDi> if you're on a 32b install, use the 32b one
[23:25] <kromar> i normally work with the 64bit version but do some stuff for crysis from  time to ttime and the exporter only works with the 32 bit version:/
[23:25] <kromar> thats why im asking^
[23:26] <SiDi> it has no importance :)
[23:26] <SiDi> 32/64 refers to your CPU's architecture
[23:26] <SiDi> not to the files you generate
[23:27] <kromar> yeah but i prefer having some more ram available when rendering some huge scenes
[23:31] <kromar> hmm having some problems with the sound setup...
[23:32] <kromar> it says i should add the model to the end of  sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, but the file is empty
[23:32] <kromar> so what exactly should be in that file?
[23:33] <SiDi> alsa-base.conf
[23:33] <SiDi> i'll update the wiki
[23:34] <kromar> also it says to search for the model in ALSA-Configuration.txt but i cant find my model in there
[23:41] <SiDi> what model is it ?
[23:42] <kromar> Realtek ALC889A
[23:44] <kromar> why is it that when my default browser is opera the links in the Add/remove application will open firefox?
[23:46] <SiDi> where does it say its default ?
[23:46] <SiDi> Apps -> Params -> Favourite apps
[23:47] <SiDi> Opera can claim to be default, but usually they epicly fail at implementing this kind of function
[23:47] <kromar> i acctually set the web browser in "Prefered Applications"
[23:48] <kromar> but thats a good idea to set it in opere, might acctually fix that^
[23:48] <SiDi> it wont
[23:49] <SiDi> kromar: no idea for your browser
[23:49] <kromar> i know but cant hurt to try:O
[23:49] <SiDi> if you want me to give you your model i need the WHOLE name of the chipset + laptop name
[23:49] <kromar> but why does the link open with ff crap when i set the default to opera?
[23:50] <kromar> its not a laptop o_O
[23:50] <kromar> is that howto for laptops?
[23:51] <SiDi> its howto for intel hda
[23:51] <SiDi> usually they're in laptops :P
[23:51] <kromar> ok i dont have any intel stuff in this system...
[23:53] <SiDi> you do :P
[23:53] <kromar> where?
[23:53] <SiDi> try this as a model ac97_quirk
[23:53] <SiDi> inside your soundcard
[23:54] <SiDi> 6track-dig usually works on many desktop mobos too
[23:58] <kromar> Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel       Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel


[02:58] <tmartins> Hey guys, listen, when I enable "virtio-scsi, in my OpenStack environment, it speeds up a lot my storage! However, it breaks cloud-init! Both SWAP and Ephemeral are failing. Maybe that's because the devices changed from /dev/vdX to /dev/sdX ?
[02:58] <tmartins> How to make cloud-init work with virtio-scsi?
[03:21] <tmartins> I mean, by default, without tricks via "user_data"...
[14:20] <smoser> tmartins, need more information on what is failing
[14:20] <smoser> file a bug? collect the info requested there.
[14:44] <tmartins> Right, I'll fill a bug report with the logs!   =)
[15:09] <smoser> tmartins, please just give me apointer here.
[15:09] <smoser> (also)
[15:40] <tmartins> Sure!
[16:10] <powersj> rharper: \o/ xkvm is awesome
[16:10] <rharper> powersj: thank smoser  too
[16:11] <powersj> smoser: thanks for suggesting this as well
[16:12] <powersj> rharper: thoughts on how to include it with cloud-init?
[16:12] <smoser> i think copy to tools/
[16:12] <rharper> put it in tools
[16:12] <powersj> k
[16:18] <smoser> powersj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25126584/
[16:18] <smoser> that is what i recall having done for mount image callback.
[16:19] <smoser> that partuclarly lets me run mount-image-callback lxd: with sudo without a password
[16:21] <powersj> smoser: what is the "lxd:" part do? My ignorance of mount-image-callback is showing...
[16:21] <smoser> lxd: means lxd do the same sorts of things to a container that you'd do to an image
[16:21] <smoser> so i can
[16:22] <smoser> $ lxc init ubuntu-daily:xenial xsmtest
[16:22] <smoser> $ sudo mount-image-callback xsmtest mchroot
[16:22] <smoser> er...
[16:22] <smoser> $ sudo mount-image-callback lxd:xsmtest mchroot
[16:25] <powersj> ok so for my use-case I need to specify a similar command string for the Cmnd_Alias in sudoers
[16:32] <smoser> maybe something like
[16:32] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25126653/
[16:32] <smoser> and remember that files in /etc/sudoers.d have to be 440 (or more restricive) or they're ignored.
[16:33] <powersj> ok
[16:33] <powersj> thanks
[16:33] <smoser> basically that is going to protect you from accidental mis-use
[16:33] <powersj> yeah
[16:33] <smoser> as if you wanted to exploit it, you could just put any file in /citest-images/
[16:34] <smoser> and 'mchroot' is just the equivalent (available in newer 'mount-image-callback') of
[16:34] <smoser>  chroot _MOUNTPOINT_
[16:42] <rharper> smoser: I just push a rebase of curtin-centos on master
[16:42] <smoser> ok
[16:58] <smoser> packages are pita
[17:26] <smoser> rharper, just noticed... i tried fedora25 lxd instance.
[17:27] <smoser> our copr repo builds python2 there
[17:27] <smoser> and there is no python2 in their install.. ie, we should be python3 there.
[17:37] <rharper> yeah, we've not been testing the fedora path =(
[17:38] <rharper> I suspect we'll have more "fun" with systemd-units under fedora as well
[17:41] <powersj> smoser: thanks for the sudoers file. no more typing password all day long
[17:41] <powersj> smoser: did you have any suggestions on http://paste.ubuntu.com/25126921/
[17:47] <smoser> wow
[17:47] <smoser> so .. the rpm version available in fedora25 for cloud-init from the daily is
[17:47] <smoser>  0.7.9+211.gd1e8eb7-1.fc25
[17:47] <smoser> that .fc25 i think is what handles something i'd wonderd about.
[17:48] <smoser> if you have build-time logic then you'd get 2 different binary rpms for centos6 and centos7
[17:48] <smoser> (and i think we do)
[17:49] <smoser> whats interesting there is that means (i *think*) that a upgrade from centos6 to centos7 will get 100% new packages.
[17:49] <smoser> oh.. or only stuff that got re-built. maybe they can binary copy also
[17:49] <smoser> i geuss that ends up being the same as ubuntu
[17:49] <smoser> yeah
[18:35] <smoser> rharper, around ?
[18:43] <blackboxsw> rharper: smoser powersj: so createing a tmpdir and running a copy of dhclient from there on both ubuntu and centos results in success. No apparmor/SELinux conifinement constraints hit us on either ubuntu or centos 6. Checking cent7 on aws now
[18:44] <blackboxsw> cent6 images in aws have selinux enforcing (as opposed to our lxc environments when don't)
[18:44] <blackboxsw> *which don't
[18:49] <smoser> you'd hope they do :)
[18:49] <smoser> lxc is not enforcing just because it doesn't play well with the container
[18:55] <blackboxsw> ok rebasing this branch against master and fixing up unit tests.
[18:56] <blackboxsw> smoser: actually I'll wait to rebase until you land this one https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327534
[18:57] <blackboxsw> since those unit test changes will have merge conflicts w/ my branch
[18:57] <blackboxsw> this month will be interesting to see what my aws bill is
[18:58] <smoser> blackboxsw, you're welcome to grab that to trunk yourself
[18:58] <smoser> if it makes it easier for you
[18:59] <smoser> assertFalse might be valid in python2.6.
[19:00] <blackboxsw> it's easy enough as you are adding unit tests. yeah just wanted to closeout on my minor review comments there. please do land it with whatever review comments you accept. it'll make my branch easier(smaller) when I put mine up.
[19:00] <blackboxsw> smoser ^
[19:09] <rharper> smoser: back
[19:19] <smoser> rharper, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327739
[19:21] <smoser> rharper, ^ you can see your commit (that i cherry-picked) and then some cleanups of mine.
[19:22] <rharper> yes
[19:22] <rharper> one question, we can already rely on 'prefix' even if we get the odd 'netmask: ffffffffffffffffffff' ?
[19:22] <rharper> smoser: ^
[19:23] <rharper> that's my one question in dropping the 'netmask' in subnet part and only using prefix
[19:23] <smoser> have to test. where would we get that ?
[19:23] <smoser> commit d00da2d5b0d45
[19:23] <smoser> says
[19:23] <rharper> I think I saw that in the json network from rackspace
[19:23] <smoser>       * prefix will always include an integer value that is the
[19:23] <smoser>         network_prefix for the address.
[19:23] <smoser>       * netmask will be present only if the address is ipv4, and its
[19:23] <smoser>         value will always correlate to the 'prefix'.
[19:25] <rharper> in curtin, network_alias, network_mtu, and vlan_network_ipv6 all use v6 with netmask set to ff*
[19:25] <rharper> so you can net-convert those and make sure it doesn't blow up
[19:25]  * rharper tries out the change locally
[19:26] <smoser> i think it should
[19:26] <smoser> because we do
[19:26] <smoser> in _normalize_net_keys
[19:26] <smoser> we use  mask_to_net_prefix
[19:26] <smoser> although 'ffffffffffffff' that is just wrong
[19:26] <smoser> no : ?
[19:27] <rharper> it's /64
[19:27] <rharper> and it's a thing
[19:27] <smoser> without a : ?
[19:27] <rharper> oh, no
[19:27] <rharper> sorry
[19:27] <rharper> i was just being lazy
[19:27] <smoser> then it should be fine.
[19:30] <smoser> rharper,
[19:30] <smoser> $ python3 -c 'import sys; from cloudinit.net.network_state import mask_to_net_prefix; print(mask_to_net_prefix(sys.argv[1]))' "ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff::"
[19:30] <smoser> 64
[19:36] <rharper> smoser: looks good
[19:39] <smoser> rharper, IPV6ADDR=2001:DB8::10/64
[19:39] <smoser> that is ok ?
[19:39] <smoser> it seems that it must work for SECONDARIES
[19:39] <rharper> AFAIK, yes
[19:39] <rharper> it's passed to iproute2 (/sbin/ip)
[19:39] <rharper> which takes prefix in v6 format
[19:40] <smoser> k
[19:40] <smoser> rharper, so. .. on your templatifying of the systmed unit files...
[19:41] <smoser> none of those *should* be necessary
[19:41] <rharper> go on
[19:41] <rharper> those changes were taken from the upstream cloud-init in el today
[19:41] <smoser> After and Before don't do anything
[19:41] <smoser> oh.
[19:41] <smoser> right
[19:42] <smoser> larsks, just wanted to take them out
[19:42] <rharper> there is something else besides ordering
[19:42] <rharper> I think 'network' versus 'networking'
[19:42] <rharper> is at lease one change
[19:42] <rharper> there is no 'networking' service in el
[19:42] <rharper> only 'network'
[19:42] <smoser> but I can put 'After the-third-sunday-of-the-new-millenium.service'
[19:42] <smoser> and it doesnt do anything unless that service will be run
[19:43] <smoser> same is true of networking.service and network.service
[19:43] <smoser> the one that is present will get run Before and others ignored
[19:43] <rharper> you're suggestion thens is to include all of the names it might be
[19:43] <smoser> thats what we have right now
[19:44] <rharper> well, no
[19:44] <rharper> because trunk doesn't work under el7
[19:44] <rharper> it might be the default deps then
[19:44] <rharper> but I know for sure, the unit file in trunk doesn't run networking early enough for vmtest to pass
[19:45] <rharper> so I pulled in the changes from downstream el cloud-init
[19:45] <rharper> I'm fine with tweaking it
[19:45] <rharper> but I do know for sure it won't work as it is
[19:45] <smoser> and then you are
[19:45] <smoser> dropping
[19:45] <smoser>  DefaultDependencies=no
[19:45] <rharper> yes
[19:45] <rharper> for el
[19:45] <larsks> I am too distracted to follow right now, but note that the defaultdeps stuff was causing us all sorts of issues. Yeah.
[19:45] <smoser> on centos
[19:45] <smoser> did you ahve a reason for that ?
[19:46] <smoser> we almost certainly need that in order to accomplish some of the things that -local does
[19:46] <larsks> smoser: we kept hitting dependency loops without dropping that.
[19:46] <rharper> I dropped it due to el having the change, they're network service and other things like dbus  are ordered differently
[19:46] <rharper> larsks: ack, I saw that as well
[19:46] <rharper> we'd have to drive in dbus early changes which aren't present
[19:46] <larsks> and not just on core stuff: cloud-init got into a fight with os-collect-config, also, which only crops up on openstack deployments.
[19:47] <rharper> that said, I;ve not tested el7 on GCE which does DNS resolution early
[19:47] <rharper> but they likely don't have both a libnss and systemd-resolved combo like we did on Xenial
[19:48] <smoser> we're ultimately going to need it.
[19:48] <smoser> other wise you run really late
[19:50] <rharper> well, we're not running late now
[19:51] <smoser> you're running after all local mounts are done
[19:51] <smoser> which is too late to accomplish some things like re-formatting an ephemeral disk
[19:51] <rharper> we know that DefaultDeps in el are after local mounts?
[19:51] <rharper> or is that ubuntu systemd
[19:51] <smoser> yes
[19:52] <smoser>  Service units, unless they set DefaultDependencies=no, automatically get a dependency on sysinit.target
[19:53] <smoser> i'm fine to deal with it later.
[19:54] <rharper> bleh
[19:54]  * rharper feels unit rage
[19:55] <smoser> rharper, in that commit you also mixed in redhat.spec file changes
[19:55] <smoser> which i'm kind of confused on
[19:56] <rharper> it was needed due to how unit files were copied
[19:56] <smoser> a.) you have a comment that indicates .service files are installed by setup but .target are not
[19:56] <smoser> but i dont see how that is possible
[19:56] <smoser> b.) i dont understand how it could have worked before.
[19:57] <rharper> it copied systemd/*
[19:57] <rharper> we have template files in there now
[19:57] <rharper> so only copy in the *rendered* unit files
[19:57] <smoser> setup.py installs the .target and the rendered .service files
[19:57] <rharper> we have .target and .service files;  the spec file copied *everything*, and setup.py also copied in some
[19:58] <smoser> for install
[19:58] <rharper> it does now
[19:58] <smoser> "now" ?
[19:58] <rharper> I added render_systemd_unit
[19:58] <rharper> to setup.py
[19:58] <smoser> right.
[19:58] <smoser> but it does that for both .service and .target
[19:58] <smoser> but your comment in the spec file acts as if it does that only for .service
[19:59] <rharper> we only pass in the files that are templated
[19:59] <rharper> all .service files are templated
[19:59] <rharper> but the .target files still need to be installed
[19:59] <rharper> so we manually copy this in
[19:59] <rharper> those in
[19:59] <smoser> they get installed the same way that .service files do
[19:59] <smoser> in your branch
[19:59] <smoser> the setup.py install
[19:59] <smoser> will install them
[19:59] <rharper> how?
[19:59] <rharper> where in the setup.py does it specify .target files ?
[20:00] <rharper> oh, maybe  it does work
[20:00] <rharper> we pass back non template files as-is;
[20:01] <smoser> right
[20:01] <rharper> I suspect one changes was made after the spec change
[20:01] <smoser> why '$' ?
[20:01] <smoser> err.. \$
[20:01] <rharper> pre jinja
[20:01] <rharper> there's a commit later that should ahve been squashed
[20:01] <rharper> which drops the \$
[20:02] <rharper> I wrote these before we switched to jinja in the specfile
[20:06] <smoser> rharper, so i think the only change we need to spec file then
[20:06] <smoser> is to drop the 'cp -p systemd/*' line
[20:06] <rharper> yes
[20:06] <rharper> that looks right
[20:06] <rharper> and I'll drop the \$ commit in the series since you will skip that here
[20:07] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327739 is merged
[20:07] <smoser> i have to go afk.
[20:09] <smoser> rharper, so on top of yours
[20:09] <smoser> i had http://paste.ubuntu.com/25127837/
[20:10] <smoser> can you see if that works ? that'd be my next MP.  your 'Templatize systemd service files'
[20:10] <smoser> plus http://paste.ubuntu.com/25127837/
[20:16] <smoser> checking that now with centos7. centos6 didn't have any of the systemd files and i worried
[20:16] <rharper> k
[20:16] <smoser> but i guess that is by design
[20:17] <rharper> right, no systemd in el6
[20:17] <rharper> upstart files only
[20:21] <smoser> rharper, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327743
[20:22] <rharper> is that supposed to be both the sysconfig prefix change *and* the template change ?
[20:22] <rharper> the diff on the MP looks like it has two commits
[20:23] <smoser> it does
[20:23] <smoser> yours, then my cleanup
[20:23] <smoser> my cleanup dropped all the $ changes from the .spec.in
[20:24] <rharper> mine shows 3 commits
[20:24] <smoser> and removed the mkdir and copying of .target
[20:24] <smoser> reload
[20:24] <rharper> k
[20:24] <rharper> huh
[20:24] <smoser> i'd not pushed trunk
[20:24] <rharper> what's up with the delay ?
[20:24] <rharper> ah
[20:24] <rharper> o
[20:24] <rharper> hrm , two commits, diff still wrong
[20:24] <smoser> launchpad doesnt render the moves well
[20:24] <smoser> renames
[20:24] <smoser> :-(
[20:24] <rharper> bah
[20:25] <rharper> I'll look at the commit
[20:25] <smoser> yeah, and please write a commit message too
[20:25] <smoser> if you ACK that then i'll pull when i get back
[20:25] <rharper> ok
[20:25] <smoser> and we'll be in like 3/12 :)
[20:25] <rharper> 3/11 (we get to drop one)
[20:48] <tmartins> smoser, here is the bug report! https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1705346
[21:55] <smoser> rharper, next one ..
[21:55] <smoser>  Fix sysconfig rendering of virtual interfaces with network configurations
[21:55] <smoser> needs unit tests
[21:55]  * rharper accepts this
[21:55] <rharper> I believe they're added near the end
[21:55] <rharper> 095f7585b57d35e9de68ee99c77a500ad644c293
[21:57] <rharper> smoser: what would you like?  I can see about adding a separate singular test ; try to avoid conflicting with the one coming at the end
[21:58] <smoser> hm..
[21:59] <smoser> well, as a standaone commit we shoudl be able to get some unit test that shows the changes.
[21:59] <rharper> k
[21:59] <rharper> I'll do that
[22:04] <smoser> rharper, in 97a25a75143a
[22:04] <smoser> use is is_ipv6_addr
[22:04] <smoser> and a test would be good.
[22:05] <smoser> i can work on getting some of those together too
[22:05] <rharper> ok, I'm doing the virtual interface one now
[22:05] <rharper> if you want to tackle 97a
[22:06] <rharper> so far, no regression, I've rebuilt the curtin-centos cloud-init package and re-ran the curtin branch (with your passthrough reviews applied) and all tests still passing
[22:06] <rharper> will repeat tonight with a rebase from trunk
[22:25] <rharper> smoser: do you want a paste with the unittest for 095 ?
[22:27] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25128675/
[22:27] <rharper> that should do; and won't collide with the test in the last commit
[22:27] <rharper> I'm going to step out for a bit, will check back later
[23:24] <tmartins> smoser, I've updated the bug report with the config drive!   ;-)