[11:40] <morgan> is there any choice between a revo running xbmc or a boxee?
[11:42] <morgan> xbmc seems more robust, but im not sure the revo is the biz.. is there sometihng better?
[18:54] <digitlman> hello all
[18:59] <digitlman> would somebody recommend Intel Atom/Nvidia ION over AMD Fusion for Mythbuntu?
[19:01] <rhpot1991> digitlman: you'll want to stick with nvidia
[19:02] <rhpot1991> !vdpau | digitlman
[19:02] <Zinn> digitlman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[19:02] <digitlman> ahh exellent thanks
[19:02] <_antant> got my gt210 card coming tomorrow. wish I'd known about it before i bought ati
[19:03] <digitlman> I'm eyeing this one:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157227
[19:03] <Zinn> [www.newegg.com] Newegg.com - ASRock AD525PV3 Intel Atom D525 (1.8 GHz, Dual-Core) Intel NM10 Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo
[19:06] <digitlman> not sure what vid cap card to use in that, however....
[19:15] <tgm4883> digitlman, whoa, for a backend?
[19:15] <tgm4883> not sure I would use an atom processor in a backend
[19:16] <digitlman> as a combo, yeah
[19:16] <digitlman> with 4GB of RAM, I would think this would work
[19:16] <tgm4883> thats going to be pretty slow for some of the things a backend does
[19:16] <digitlman> paired with a 7200 RPM 2.5" drive?
[19:16] <tgm4883> I mean, you don't have to worry about encoding anymore, but commflagging and such
[19:16] <tgm4883> processor speed is the issue
[19:17] <digitlman> well, it *is* a dual core 1.8Ghz
[19:17] <digitlman> is that not powerful enough?
[19:18] <tgm4883> digitlman, you can do it, just don't expect the backend to be spectactular
[19:18] <tgm4883> for perspective, I want to upgrade my AMD X2 3800+ backend cause I think it commflags too slow
[19:18] <digitlman> the commflagging is CPU-intensive?
[19:18] <tgm4883> yep
[19:19] <digitlman> can't be  off-loaded to the GPU?
[19:19] <tgm4883> Nope, not commflagging
[19:19] <tgm4883> playback yes
[19:19] <tgm4883> But i haven't seen anything that off-loads commflagging to the CPU
[19:19] <digitlman> would that be apparent more when playing back, or encoding?
[19:20] <tgm4883> You won't be doing any encoding usually
[19:20] <digitlman> recording, I mean
[19:20] <tgm4883> nah, recordings is low CPU, as it is just writing the stream to the disk
[19:20] <tgm4883> playing back is low to if you use VDPAU
[19:21] <digitlman> but the playback, you say, would suffer?
[19:21] <tgm4883> it may
[19:21] <digitlman> what would the result in?  Stuttering or something?  lag?
[19:21] <tgm4883> If you don't already have another system for the backend, i'd at least test it out
[19:21] <tgm4883> perhaps stuttering
[19:21] <rhpot1991> digitlman: most people do an ion for a frontend
[19:22] <digitlman> what I'm really trying to do i replace a power hungry series 2 Tivo
[19:22] <rhpot1991> and then have a nice powerful computer hiding away somewhere for their backend
[19:22] <digitlman> with a front/back mythbox
[19:22] <digitlman> one that I can also install other linux program on
[19:23] <digitlman> thanks for the info....I was *really* hoping to contruct something that runs under 20 watts at load
[19:24] <digitlman> ION seemed the trick....but maybe an i3 or i5 is better?
[19:24] <rhpot1991> ion will be that for playback
[19:24] <rhpot1991> not sure what will happen when you throw backend functions into the mix though
[19:24] <digitlman> ahh i see
[19:24] <digitlman> it's the combo that might throw it off?
[19:24] <rhpot1991> !frontend
[19:24] <Zinn> Ion Boxes make a great frontend.  http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/2
[19:24] <rhpot1991> I have some power numbers in there for playback
[19:25] <rhpot1991> in the comments section
[19:25] <rhpot1991> well more cpu usage with the backend, may hike the power usage some
[19:25] <digitlman> awesome
[19:25] <rhpot1991> also hard drives in the backend, use power
[19:27] <digitlman> what is your back end?  Is it listed here?
[19:28] <rhpot1991> digitlman: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/13
[19:28] <Zinn> [www.baablogic.net] My MythTV Setup | www.baablogic.net
[19:28] <rhpot1991> all my hardware is there, slightly out of date
[19:29] <digitlman> any idea what the back end draws for power?
[19:37] <rhpot1991> never measured it unfortunately
[19:37] <digitlman> ahh
[19:42] <digitlman> thanks for th einfo
[20:04] <Number6> Hi
[20:05] <Number6> Is there a way to edit where myth-tv pulls it's file list from? I have an external hard drive and it's mounted. I'd prefer ssh to edit the files, going through the menu is annoying
[20:05] <rhpot1991> define file list
[20:06] <Number6> Where avi files are stored
[20:06] <Number6> Like /media/hard-drive/movies/myfilms.avi
[20:06] <rhpot1991> just add that to a storage group in mythtv-setup
[20:06] <rhpot1991> the videos storage group I think
[20:16] <Number6> I tried that already, but under "frontend" >> Watch Videos, it says there's no files
[20:34] <rhpot1991> m > scan for changes
[20:51] <Number6> Ahh, I need now
[20:51] <Number6> Thanks.
[20:52] <Number6> Should the mediafiles be owned by MythTV or my own username?
[21:03] <rhpot1991> Number6: as long as your user is in the mythtv group they should get created with permissions for that group and work
[21:03] <rhpot1991> if you are having issues you can try to sudo chown mythtv:mythtv them
[21:04] <Number6> Aye, I think I'll do that.
[21:05] <Number6> I'm impressed with Myth-TV so far. I used Windows MCE for about 5 years now, and I miss ssh access to fix things
[21:08] <Number6> Hmm, I think mounting the external hard drives changed the ownerships as root
[21:24] <Seeker`> how good is bluray playback in mythtv now?


[01:13] <arraybolt3> Squish website, website gets squished
[01:15] <wxl> i'm not sure why i would be the person to decide on that
[01:17]  * arraybolt3 didn't realize this was w.r.t. a couple days ago, nvm
[01:28] <tsimonq2> ^^^^^^
[01:28] <wxl> that's nice, but i have like zero experience with different keyboard layouts except i know some people use them XD
[01:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: I thought you used DVORAK + foot pedal XD
[01:34]  * tsimonq2 soft-EODs o/
[07:31] <guiverc> lubuntu's minimal install can't ubuntu-bug complete; inability to xdg-open and open (null; no-browser)... that will at least (maybe) need to be documented (come release)
[09:30]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> doubts LP will like that, but it would be cool if it worked
[09:33] <guiverc> you used to be able to file bugs using lynx.. not sure I've done it in a few cycles though
[09:40] <guiverc> I suspect canonical (legal) will require browser for legal reasons relating to EU privacy  (but just suspicion)
[09:42] <RikMills> arraybolt3: there used to be python-launchpadlib-toolkit which had the lp-file-bug command
[09:45] <RikMills> I did say used to be
[09:45] <RikMills> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-launchpadlib-toolkit/+bug/1854972
[09:45] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1854972 in python-launchpadlib-toolkit (Ubuntu) "RM: python-launchpadlib-toolkit: python2-only, Ubuntu-specific, depends on removed python-launchpadlib, no other reverse-dependencies" [Undecided, Fix Released]
[09:46] <RikMills> ooh
[09:49] <arraybolt3> Just pinged him to see what's happening there.
[09:49] <arraybolt3> The commit message looked very hopeful.
[09:50]  * arraybolt3 switches chat clients on the same machine over and over for no good reason :P
 easy to do
 ;)
[13:51] <tsimonq2> $ dpkg --compare-versions 3.3.0-0ubuntu1 gt 3.3.0-alpha6-0ubuntu2 && echo "Condition met" || echo "Condition not met"
[13:51] <tsimonq2> Condition not met
[13:51] <tsimonq2> $ dpkg --compare-versions <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 gt 3.3.0-alpha6-0ubuntu2 && echo "Condition met" || echo "Condition not met"
[13:51] <tsimonq2> Condition met
[13:51] <tsimonq2> "gt" = "greater than"
[14:01] <tsimonq2> W: calamares source: superfluous-file-pattern 3rdparty/kdsingleapplicationguard/* [debian/copyright:232]
[14:01] <tsimonq2> W: calamares source: superfluous-file-pattern lang/calamares_i18n.qrc.in [debian/copyright:60]
[14:01] <tsimonq2> W: calamares source: superfluous-file-pattern src/modules/localeq/img/chevron-left-solid.svg [debian/copyright:268]
[14:01] <tsimonq2> bah
 Ребят, привет!❤ Хочу от себя порекомендовать отличный вид деятельности (P2P-трейдинг). Сфера новая и прибыльная. Вот мой наставник (https://t.me/GeorgiycrptoB), он отлично всё объясняет и помогает выйти на доход уже на обучении. Я пришла к нему с 0-в
 Он тебя тоже всему научит и поможет заработать. Его интерес — это % от прибыли.
 Вот ещё его канал (https://t.me/crypto_vers_gr) , там всё тоже подробно рассказывается о механике
 ta
 np
[14:03] <tsimonq2> QA testers be aware: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1
[14:04] <tsimonq2> I'll wait for that to build/publish in proposed, but I have a cala-settings-ubuntu upload following which changes the icon to our own Special Fancy one (as announced).
[14:05] <tsimonq2> I'm unclear on whether we need to no-change rebuild cala-settings-ubuntu every time we do a major Calamares upload. We should eventually figure that out. :P
[14:07] <tsimonq2> TBH... QML is really nice, but it should probably be moved to a dedicated .ui file...
[14:07] <tsimonq2> Would make the Customize menu scale better. If y'all take a look at the 9to5Linux screenshot, there's a loooooooooooooot of empty whitespace.
[14:07] <tsimonq2> That being said, on my VM, it looks fine, heh.
[14:37] <tsimonq2> #debian-qt-kde on OFTC is a pretttty good channel to be in.
[14:37] <tsimonq2> Specifically: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/kde-6-planning/-/issues/2
[14:37] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Issue 2 in qt-kde-team/kde-6-planning "KF6 source package names" [Opened]
[14:37] <tsimonq2> And: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/kde-6-planning/-/issues/1
[14:37] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Issue 1 in qt-kde-team/kde-6-planning "Gitlab repo structure" [Opened]
[14:37] <tsimonq2> Which we'll need for 24.10 Qt 6 stuff.
[14:38] <tsimonq2> I completely agree with RikMills in this: we need to follow the same package naming scheme as Debian, to prevent future conflicts, even *IF!!!!!!!!* that means we have to go ahead of Debian.
[14:38] <tsimonq2> And that's a huge "if."
[14:39] <tsimonq2> Anyway, arraybolt3, kc2bez, @wxl, Eickmeyer I'm specifically interested in your feedback on the above, if you have any.
 I would say essential to be honest. I can't count the number of times it has been helpful to be there (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> #debian-qt-kde on OFTC is a pretttty good channel to be in.)
[14:46] <tsimonq2> ^^^^^^
[14:46] <tsimonq2> The Debian Qt KDE Team is awesome.
[14:47] <tsimonq2> Also, unlike Libera.Chat, OFTC still has full Matrix bridging :P
[15:30] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Agreed.
[18:39] <arraybolt3> Anyone know of a way to pin every single binary package built from a certain source package? Ideally I'd like to pin the entire gcc-13 package to an older version in /etc/apt/preferences.d. (Trying to see if a new compiler broke things.)
[18:40] <tsimonq2> FYI for QA testers: 20231212 does *not* have the new Calamares, I just kicked off a new respin. In 20231212.1 you should expect a Calamares version change.
[18:41] <tsimonq2> 39 16 * * *for-project lubuntu cron.daily-live --live
[18:41] <arraybolt3> I guess an apt hold might work in a pinch
[18:41] <tsimonq2> [ ]noble-desktop-amd64.iso2023-12-12 16:54
[18:41] <tsimonq2> 54-39 is what, 15 minutes between start and finish?
[18:42] <tsimonq2> The cronjob which grabs the retry requests runs every 5 minutes - so let's assume 15-20 minutes for a new ISO, as an absolute minimum.
[18:43] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Not 100% sure, but you could either pin a core package that pulls in all the others, or bisect apt list --installed and the list of binary packages.
[18:43] <tsimonq2> #ubuntu probably has a better answer on that *specific* one
[20:03] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: If you ever get bored and want to context switch: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/issue-tracker/-/issues/70
[20:03] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: ^^^^
[20:04] <arraybolt3> 404 Page not found
[20:04] <tsimonq2> waaaaaaaaaaat
[20:04] <tsimonq2> hm
[20:04] <tsimonq2> Are you logged into Salsa?
[20:04] <arraybolt3> No
[20:04] <tsimonq2> That'll ptobably do it heh
[20:05] <arraybolt3> (Also my day is packed - satpy merge and fix, qtilitools and picom-conf Debian work, I need to reinstall a desktop and get a ZFS backup system working again, and stuff like that.)
[20:06] <arraybolt3> and openMSX, forgot about that one
[20:07] <arraybolt3> and the ciso maintainer in Debian wants to know if I'd like to be a comaintainer, don't know how to answer that :P
[20:07] <tsimonq2> Sounds like your hands certainly are full :)
[20:08] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'd say yes lol
[20:08] <arraybolt3> hah
[20:15] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Anyway, I'm grabbing a package or two from the Qt 6 list.
[20:15] <arraybolt3> +1
[20:16] <tsimonq2> You would hate me if I ever asked you to do copyright on *any* Qt 6 source. :P
 running @tsimonq2 install with new calamares..
 running: tactical strike on Discourse server.  (Reboot in progress!)
 /me installs @teward001 into /dev/null
[20:22]  * arraybolt3 enables shields on discourse.lubuntu.me
 error: missing universe: discourse_host_system
 First install new cala finished and looks ok so far
[20:22] <arraybolt3> virsh gen-universe discourse_host_system
 Execution error: Input/Output error (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> virsh gen-universe discourse_host_system)
[20:23] <arraybolt3> sudo rm /var/output-blocker
 no seriously though i'm rebooting the baremetal system I have Discourse on because i'm trying to unfudge some Bridge tom-foolery right now to make it work proper with KVM stuff
 so either it works, or it breaks and I revert the networking
[20:23] <arraybolt3> Sounds good, you know what you're doing :)
[20:24]  * arraybolt3 fiddles with Ubuntu Server trying to make a VM that can run Wine that can be SSH'd into with X forwarding so I can run theWord on a severely underpowered Chromebook by running it on my powerful laptop
[20:39] <tsimonq2> Okay, qt6-sensors uploaded to Experimental. I might do one or two a day to start, just to get my Qt packaging skills back to par.
[20:40]  * tsimonq2 works on $dayjob but is around to answer pings
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I logged into salsa, 404
[21:00] <Eickmeyer> (I'm not on the qt-kde-team, might be why)
[21:00] <Eickmeyer> I'm strictly on the multimedia-team
[21:14] <RikMills> 404 viewing what?
 404 viewing what?  If you aren't given access to a repo and it's private/delegated/etc. then you have to be given access (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I logged into salsa, 404)
 I know. @tsimonq2 wanted me to look at https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/issue-tracker/-/issues/70 (re @teward001: 404 viewing what?  If you aren't given access to a repo and it's private/delegated/etc. then you have to be given access)
 ye it's locked out
 I was merely reporting that I don't have access.
 so @tsimonq2 you have failed
 :P
 RikMills ^
 I know. Was asking which issue, as some mentioned earlier are definitely public (re @teward001: 404 viewing what?  If you aren't given access to a repo and it's private/delegated/etc. then you have to be given access)
 https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/issue-tracker/-/issues/70 (re @RikMills: I know. Was asking which issue, as some mentioned earlier are definitely public)
 Yeah, I can see that, but not if logged out
 I can't see it even if logged-in, so it likely requires team membership.
 Yeah, I was added as a member some while back
 I guess you have to be the owner of the issue to change perms


[04:13] <paddatrapper> Hi superfly
[04:13] <superfly> o/
[04:13] <superfly> paddatrapper: congrats on the car!
[04:15] <paddatrapper> superfly: thanks! I'm really happy with it
[16:14] <chesedo> does anyone have recommendations for where to get a .co.za & .org.za domain without the hosting?
[19:07] <inetpro> good evening
[19:07] <inetpro> chesedo: I suggest you ask in the internet channel on slack
[19:08] <inetpro> probably more people there who do these things every day
[19:10] <inetpro> or maybe theblazehen here knows the answer to that even
[19:12]  * theblazehen hasn't registered a .co.za, but just because you get hosting doesn't mean you need to use it
[19:14] <inetpro> IS used to do .org.za, I wonder whether they still do it
[22:21] <superfly> chesedo: Even in SA, I dropped all my .*.za's. Not worth the hassle
[22:24] <tumbleweed> co.za is easy, everyone does them
[22:24]  * tumbleweed has his org.za with webafrica (although they seem to be moving domain reg out into a new company - gridhost)


[00:31] <logical> Hi, anyone online ?
[00:31] <RobLoach> Playing Brutal Doom https://www.twitch.tv/robloach
[00:32] <logical> lol i love doom
[00:33] <logical> are you using ubuntu-mate channel to promote your twitch xDDDDD wtf???
[00:33] <logical> hahahahaha
[00:35] <RobLoach> lol.. You asked if I was online... So I responded with yes, playing games.
[00:37] <logical> hahahah i tought its a bot
[00:37] <logical> sorry xD
[00:39] <logical> Anyone knows how I can add Documents folder and others in the Places menu, right click --> edit menu doesn't give me an option
[00:40] <RobLoach> In the Shortcuts?
[00:40] <RobLoach> Add to Favoruties?
[00:42] <logical> in the top menu
[00:43] <logical> Robloach in the top left corner you have applications | places | system, I want to add documents and music folder to Places but right click edit menu doesnt give me the option
[00:46] <RobLoach> logical: I switched to the Advanced Menuy.
[00:47] <logical> kk
[00:48] <RobLoach> Highly recommend it.
[00:59] <logical> not a fan of the advanced menu :P
[01:07] <Alex211211> joinhey
[01:07] <Alex211211> anyone here?
[01:09] <nomic> ye
[01:09] <nomic> yes
[01:21] <logical> no no one is here :P
[01:29] <RobLoach> I'm a fan of the Advanced Menu, because you can change those things.
[01:46] <siva_machina> I also prefer the advance menu.
[03:26] <logical> anyone knows how i can download a whole playlist of youtube videos, without going form one to another
[03:38] <jdkarns> hello
[03:38] <jdkarns> is there anybody out there?
[03:39] <jdkarns> just nod if you can hear me...is there anyone home?
[03:40] <jdkarns> I can't get a mouse to work with Ubuntu Mate 16.01  so what else refuses to work with ubuntu?
[03:42] <jdkarns> great nobody here but us zombies
[03:52] <logical> :P
[03:52] <logical> just dont know how to help you lol
[03:53] <logical> tried to chose another mouse look?
[03:53] <logical> wait your mouse dont work
[03:53] <logical> what type of a mouse do you ahve
[04:03] <jdkarns> logitechm310 NS ANYWHERE M2
[04:03] <jdkarns> MX ;ANYWHERE 2
[04:52] <Guest99245> can any one help with sound on rpi
[09:19] <laszlowaty> hi
[13:41] <john> hello everyone
[13:44] <JohnVajra> hello guys
[13:44] <JohnVajra> little problem
[13:44] <JohnVajra> screen becomes very dark, very low luminosity, after screensaver goes on
[13:45] <JohnVajra> it's a new laptop
[13:46] <JohnVajra> skylake
[13:46] <mate|83475> hello everybody
[14:12] <JohnVajra> anyone online?
[14:30] <ubuntu-mate> hello hoes
[14:31] <ubuntu-mate> i'm trying ubuntu mate and am lovin it
[14:31] <JohnVajra> manners brother
[14:31] <JohnVajra> don't go around calling people hoes
[14:31] <JohnVajra> this ain't your bathroom
[14:32] <ubuntu-mate> any1 there??
[16:11] <madhav> no audio
[16:11] <madhav> help plss
[16:11] <madhav> ubuntu mate
[16:12] <madhav> so sorry to ignore this
[16:12] <madhav> pls help
[16:15] <laszlowaty> what do you mean by no audio?
[16:15] <laszlowaty> what did you try?
[16:48] <mate|41120> §
[17:49] <allanViking> I did a fresh ubuntu mate 16.04 install and copied the old /etc and mounted my old /home /var and /opt from my ubuntu stock 14.04: I had all the old users, but none of the passwords worked in mate login screen. I then copied the passwd group gshadow and shadow files from my new install. now even mate wont boot. Whats the correct way to restore my o
[17:49] <allanViking> ld settings?
[17:50] <Akuli> passwd yourpassword ?
[17:50] <allanViking> in chroot?
[17:51] <Akuli> i mean passwd youraccount
[17:51] <Akuli> you should be able to just copy those files manually though
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> You should create new users and transfer ownership with [ chown ]
[17:51] <Akuli> was your user id different?
[17:51] <Akuli> the default user's id is 1000
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> (the new user(s) can have the same names as the old ones, becuase different UIDs and GIDs)
[17:55] <allanViking> both old and new had 1000 for my user
[17:56] <allanViking> should I chown -R root the /etc copied into the new system?
[17:56] <Akuli> who owns it now?
[17:58] <allanViking> Akuli: mostly root:root - that is 0:0
[17:59] <Akuli> is there something that is not 0:0
[18:00] <Akuli> oh i know whats wrong
[18:00] <Akuli> on my system the group of /etc/shadow seems to be shadow, not root
[18:00] <Akuli> same thing for gshadow
[18:01] <allanViking> yeah: 3/etc# l -lsahn | grep -v '0    0'
[18:01] <allanViking> total 1.9M
[18:01] <allanViking> 4.0K -rw-r-----   1     0    1  144 Oct 21  2013 at.deny
[18:01] <allanViking> 4.0K drwxr-s---   2     0   30 4.0K Aug 31 16:32 chatscripts/
[18:01] <allanViking> 4.0K drwxr-xr-x   5     0    7 4.0K Sep  3 20:40 cups/
[18:01] <allanViking> 4.0K -rw-r--r--   1     0  105  278 Dec 10  2015 fuse.conf
[18:01] <allanViking> 4.0K drwx------   3 65534 1002 4.0K May 28  2015 gadmin-proftpd/
[18:01] <allanViking> 4.0K -rw-r-----   1     0   42  831 Sep  3 17:52 gshadow
[18:01] <allanViking>    0 -rw-------   1     0  118    0 Apr  2  2015 mtab.fuselock
[18:01] <allanViking> 4.0K -rw-r-----   1     0   42 1.3K Sep  3 17:52 shadow
[18:01] <allanViking> 4.0K -rw-r--r--   1     0  130 3.5K Dec  6  2015 vnstat.conf
[18:01] <allanViking> 4.0K -rw-r-----   1     0   20  247 Apr  2  2015 wvdial.conf
[18:01] <allanViking> can the uid of shadow be different?
[18:02] <allanViking> sorry for the flood, didnt notice it
[18:02] <allanViking> I meant to paste this:
[18:02] <allanViking> 4.0K -rw-r-----   1 root   shadow             831 Sep  3 17:52 gshadow
[18:02] <allanViking> 4.0K -rw-------   1 root   root              1.2K Aug 31 16:31 gshadow-
[18:02] <allanViking> 4.0K -rw-r-----   1 root   shadow            1.3K Sep  3 17:52 shadow
[18:02] <allanViking> those names are what my livecd thinks
[18:03] <Akuli> oh i just did ls -l
[18:04] <Akuli> so you get the names of users and groups
[18:04] <allanViking> shadow is not listed in password, cant find it uid
[18:04] <allanViking> ls -ln gives me numbers too
[18:04] <Akuli> my ls -l on 14.04 http://termbin.com/behx
[18:04] <allanViking> some of the files have only numbers according to livecd, but they are minor things
[18:06] <allanViking> https://thepb.in/p/MjhxynoLJJXiV - these are mine
[18:07] <allanViking> I really dont care about keeping the users, theres lots of deprecated stuff there anyways
[18:07] <allanViking> I really only care about my mate panel settings and my networkmanager settings
[18:07] <Akuli> so what exactly do you need to transfer over?
[18:07] <Akuli> they should be user-wide
[18:07] <Akuli> just copy your home folder's content, including .hidden files
[18:08] <allanViking> I'll try copying just the etc/* folders I know I need and keeping the stock 16.04 etc
[18:08] <allanViking> I can swear I've done this before just copying files, dunno why it failed
[18:08] <allanViking> maybe the 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade messed my old etc up too bad
[18:08] <allanViking> I had an upgrade fail
[18:09] <allanViking> and then all the fixing fail :D
[18:09] <Akuli> i don't get why people are upgrading ayway
[18:09] <Akuli> anyway
[18:09] <allanViking> mate stuff is all under mate-settings-daemon ?
[18:09] <Akuli> whatever it is it should be somewhere in ~/.config
[18:10] <allanViking> actually my old system started as ubuntu 6.10 :D
[18:10] <Akuli> at least a lot of stuff seems to be using gsettings
[18:10] <Akuli> wow
[18:10] <allanViking> the same install has been with me during my last 3 laptops and every relase until 14.04
[18:11] <allanViking> from 14.04 I thought it was simpler to keep it LTS
[18:11] <allanViking> wrong!
[18:11] <Akuli> 14.04 is probably a nice version to stick with for a while
[18:11] <allanViking> no, I had most repos at xenial
[18:11] <allanViking> like it didnt even have bluetooth 4
[18:11] <allanViking> thats why my upgrade failed
[18:11] <allanViking> I had a broken bluez 4 package that fucked everything up
[18:11] <Akuli> systemd is not the default init, no weird issues that people complain about on support channels and things generally just work
[18:12] <Akuli> i mean thats what i think 14.04 is
[18:12] <allanViking> at first I installed ubuntu mate as UEFI, but since my disk is still in MBR, it failed to start
[18:13] <allanViking> so now its back to bios mode with mbr :(
[18:13] <allanViking> on a SSD
[18:13] <allanViking> lol
[19:18] <alkisg> allanViking: packages have files installed in /etc, you're not supposed you blindly replace it with your older version
[19:18] <alkisg> package upgrades can handle it, but blindly copying /etc doesn't handle that
[21:43] <reptarius> hi guys
[21:46] <Sanchez> hallo together
[21:48] <Sanchez> i have a troble with my ubznto-mate... can somebody help me? i speak english german or russian
[21:52] <Sanchez> i fixed it self... ) good afternoon
[22:15] <Basketball> hello. I just installed ubuntu mate on my rapsberry pi
[22:15] <Basketball> i am getting a bunch of brcmfmac errors
[22:57] <Basketball> hello
[23:14] <ouroumov_> hi Basketball
[23:15] <Basketball> hru
[23:15] <ouroumov_> Fine thanks. I'm not a rpi expert, have you tried asking on our forums?
[23:16] <Basketball> for what?
 i am getting a bunch of brcmfmac errors
[23:16] <Basketball> oh
[23:16] <Basketball> i didnt remember posting trhat
[23:16] <Basketball> i think it might be due to a bad power supply
[23:17] <Basketball> i am wwaiting to finish setting up the rpi and then I will swap out the power cord
[23:17] <ouroumov_> righto
[23:17] <Basketball> do you prefer ubuntu or gnome software
[23:19] <ouroumov_> A lot of gnome is inside Ubuntu
[23:21] <Basketball> which one do you use
[23:22] <ouroumov_> I use Ubuntu MATE, which means I use some of gnome too
[23:22] <Basketball> no the software store
[23:23] <ouroumov_> oh
[23:24] <ouroumov_> I use the software boutique, plus the command line when the boutique doesn't have what I want
[23:24] <Basketball> can boutique show you a list of installed programs
[23:25] <ouroumov_> no
[23:28] <Basketball> i want to remove the bloatware installed
[23:29] <ouroumov_> bloatware?
[23:30] <Basketball> scratch libre etc.
[23:30] <Basketball> i am only using this machine to program java
[23:31] <ouroumov_> so use the command line, or synaptic
[23:35] <Basketball> sudo apt-get install synaptic?
[23:36] <ouroumov_> yeah
[23:40] <Basketball> when i select remove plank it wants to remove all of ubuntu mate core
[23:40] <ouroumov_> -core and -desktop are meta packages
[23:40] <Basketball> can they be deleted?
[23:40] <ouroumov_> yes


[00:01] <mhall119> doctormo: I got an error while running your branch, commented on the MP
[00:02] <mhall119> I'll be around in a bit if you want help debugging
[00:02] <doctormo> mhall119: You have events with no venue?
[00:02] <cjohnston> probably.. it needs to support that
[00:02] <doctormo> cjohnston: Your request makes no sense to me, everything I can consider to be a commit, has a comment.
[00:04] <doctormo> mhall119: Pushed 437 to fix that issue.
[00:04] <cjohnston> doctormo: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2494160/Selection_016.png
[00:04] <doctormo> cjohnston: What does that do?
[00:05] <cjohnston> For tarmac.. sets the commit message when it is comitted to trunk
[00:05] <doctormo> Done anyway *shrug*
[00:05] <doctormo> I guess it should be the same as the description, or similar to it. I guess i should update ground control to cover that.
[00:06] <cjohnston> It's needs to be something you would put into bzr commit -m "text"
[00:07] <cjohnston> doctormo: I commented on it
[00:09] <doctormo> cjohnston: Interesting, the commits themselves all have messages.
[00:10] <cjohnston> I know.. but tarmac needs that commit message for comitting to trunk.. otherwise, its possible to have multiple bzr commit -m's in one MP to fix issues and such
[00:10] <cjohnston> so what would it use
[00:13] <doctormo> cjohnston: i already added the decription as the commit message.
[00:13] <doctormo> And fixed the 'with' issue.
[00:13] <cjohnston> doctormo: which commit message are you referring to?
[00:16] <doctormo> cjohnston: The one on the merge request, the one you showed in your screen shot?
[00:16] <cjohnston> right.. i was explaining why it was needed
[00:33] <doctormo> OK so I was thinking about cleaning up some of the code for team/auth interaction. The is_admin and is_member items should probably be methods in the team models, so we don't have to create them for each view we want to use them in.
[01:02] <mhall119> doctormo: your MP might have multiple commits, with multiple different messages
[01:03] <mhall119> the commit message in LP tells the person merging it what all of the commits, taked collectively, will do
[01:03] <mhall119> /taked/taken/
[01:04] <mhall119> doctormo: once we get Django 1.2 or 1.3, we'll be able to replace those is_admin and is_member checks with generic user.has_perm calls
[01:06] <mhall119> doctormo: the new code looks and works great, thanks for the contribution!  I know a lot of people will appreciate this convenience.
[01:15] <doctormo> mhall119: OK, that plan with django 1.3 seems like the right way to go. good to know you're on top of it.
[01:22] <cjohnston> mhall119: ping
[02:01] <cjohnston> I never realized before.. the edit team page has an email address field.. is that for a mailing list or something?
[03:09] <mhall119> cjohnston: I think so, yes
[20:53] <mhall119> cjohnston: is loco-directory waiting on anything before we roll a new release?
[22:43] <doctormo> mhall119: :-)


[13:05] <ajb> re section <IP_ADDRESS> of the cookbook: what do you actually need to add to enable user jobs?


[02:06] <InHisName> jedijf: For Witch Doctor, try this: http://www.amazon.com/Character-Costumes-Doctor-Premier-Costume/dp/B0038KHCR8
[02:07] <InHisName> or http://www.chasing-fireflies.com/witch-doctor-costume/productinfo/31096/
[02:08] <InHisName> same as amazon and many others: http://www.wholesalehalloweencostumes.com/adult-costumes/mens-costumes/horror/IC3051-mens-premier-witch-doctor.html
[02:10] <InHisName> This one is only $64  -- http://www.wholesalehalloweencostumes.com/adult-costumes/mens-costumes/horror/IC3051-mens-premier-witch-doctor.html
[02:10] <InHisName> wrong paste  -- try this one --> http://www.partycity.com/product/adult+witch+doctor+costume+elite+plus+size.do?from=Search&navSet=witch
[02:13] <InHisName> jedijf: diy instructions --> http://www.ehow.com/how_7776799_make-witch-doctor-costume.html
[02:23] <InHisName> Here is best "jungle" witch doctor yet: http://www.coolest-homemade-costumes.com/coolest-voodoo-witch-doctor-costume-7.html
[09:04] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:08] <rmg51> Morning
[09:08] <JonathanD> Howdy.
[09:08] <rmg51> Hi
[11:46] <InHisName> Hmm, Randy left already.


 any kubuntu developer who interest on have a 32cores ARM64 server board?
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/b2985f65/file_52720.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/212a33c1/file_52721.jpg
 if you interest it, I can send you one board, and just need to pay deliver fee.
[13:11] <Guest6642> helo
[13:30] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
 I'm 80% sure that this is a scam (re @veryrichliu: if you interest it, I can send you one board, and just need to pay deliver fee.)
[15:28] <user|38> hi i am trying to install kubuntu from a kali live disc on an old 64-bit laptop that had a trial live version of windows 11 on it just couldn't take the crashes and whatnot anymore i was hoping you could hook me up with the terminal commands to get that done
[15:29] <mybalzitch> timosalola: you can always ship it using your own account and not pay the "donator" for shipping directly
 really? I sent a lot of boards to Gentoo ARM64 community.
 but I must said, yes, it looks like a scam.
 but I don't think scam can show you dmidecode (re @TimoSalola: I'm 80% sure that this is a scam)
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/fb42c9d1/file_52728.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/534a0ce5/file_52729.jpg
 but I think this is latest time I will provide those boards to community.
 it's too tire to deliver those boards.
[16:37] <Guest43> hello, I installed Chromium in Kubuntu 20 with discovery. But I need to launch from terminal. No Chromium in appliacation laucher
[16:38] <Guest43> **application launcher
 Hi, anybody understands how kernel changes are upstreamed to Ubuntu. I am using kubuntu 21.10 and have kernel 5.13.0-27 however I can see the latest version 5.3.19 in the kernel archives.
 How will this work with 5.15 on 22.04?
 5.13.19*
 Ubuntu kernel 5.13.0-27 is based on upstream 5.13.19 (re @ksenchy: Hi, anybody understands how kernel changes are upstreamed to Ubuntu. I am using kubuntu 21.10 and have kernel 5.13.0-27 however I can see the latest version 5.3.19 in the kernel archives.
 How will this work with 5.15 on 22.04?)
 https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/info/kernel-version-map.html
 So just version naming is wrong?
 see the mapping to mainline version in the above link
 why is it done like that?
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/29d53b99/file_52732.webp
 Thanks for the link
[19:00] <user|74> Hello everyone!My Kubuntu installation freezes at 10% and there are no signs, nothing
[20:23] <webchat12> I got an error with globalprotect, when I enter the credentials in the web gui, after I enter the MFA OTP, I got this error (SSL handshake failed - QtNetwork Error 6) on kubuntu 22.04
[20:23] <webchat12> Is that a QT problem with SSL ?
[22:14] <icic> Hello, I just did an update via Discover and rebooted my PC. Now my second monitor has stopped working and I don't know what to do. It was working fine before the update
[22:16] <icic> I also tried opening my Nvidia X Server Settings and all I'm seeing is a blank window. Found a answer on askubunutu that su suggest to run ubuntu-drivers autoinstall but I'm getting an unmet dependencies error for libncidia packages
[22:37] <icic> I got my apt history, it seems to have removed linux-modules-5.4.0-97-generic. when I ran update again, there was update for libnvidia-compute-470 as well as other packages with nvidia name. I thought they were graphics driver updates though


[00:15] <quidnunc> How do I sanity check which disto and components pdebuild is using?
[00:16] <jtaylor> I have added a echo to my rc
[00:16] <quidnunc> .pbuilderrc?
[00:17] <quidnunc> okay that works, thanks
[00:18] <quidnunc> Why is haskell-devscripts reported as not installable when running pdebuild?
[00:19] <quidnunc> COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse"; DIST=oneiric
[00:20] <jtaylor> is universe in the sources.list?
[00:20] <quidnunc> jtaylor: Doesn't COMPONENTS take care of that?
[00:20] <jtaylor> COMPONENTS only has effect on create and update
[00:21] <quidnunc> jtaylor: "sudo -E DIST=oneiric pbuilder login" shows it. But how do I ensure that is the same env that pdebuild is using?
[00:21] <jtaylor> can you install it when logged in?
[00:23] <quidnunc> it seems to be installing...
[00:26] <jtaylor> gotta go, bye
[00:26] <quidnunc> jtaylor: Okay installed haskell-devscripts when logged-in but pdebuild still fails with "dependency not satisfiable"
[00:31] <quidnunc> The installation should persist right?
[00:57] <quidnunc> Is there no debugging options in pdebuild?
[00:57] <quidnunc> s/Is/Are
[00:58] <ajmitch> quidnunc: what do you mean by debugging options? you can use hook scripts to perform actions at certain times, like when a build fails
[00:59] <quidnunc> ajmitch: I have a dependency that is not satisfiable and I can't determine why. Is there anyway those hooks could help me?
[01:01] <ajmitch> you cna get a shell inside the chroot when the build fails
[01:01] <ajmitch> that may be helpful, perhaps
[01:01] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Running_a_Shell_When_Build_Fails_.28Intro_to_Hook_Scripts.29 has info on that
[01:02] <quidnunc> ajmitch: Thanks
[01:22] <quidnunc> ajmitch: Okay, doesn't seem to be working :(
[01:22] <quidnunc> Does it get invoked from pdebuild?
[01:22] <ajmitch> should do, make sure the hook is executable though
[01:24] <quidnunc> ajmitch: Yeah, it's +x
[01:24] <quidnunc> a+x
[01:25] <ajmitch> hook is in the right place referenced by the pbuilderrc file?
[01:25] <ajmitch> and is named properly?
[01:25] <quidnunc>  /var/cache/pbuilder/hook.d/C10shell
[01:25] <quidnunc> HOOKDIR="/var/cache/pbuilder/hook.d"
[01:25] <quidnunc> ajmitch: I remember reading something about re-reading .pbuilderrc
[01:25] <quidnunc> ...
[01:26] <quidnunc> Is it cached?
[01:26]  * ajmitch wonders if build fail scripts aren't called when the build depends aren't men
[01:26] <ajmitch> s/men/met/
[01:26] <ajmitch> shouldn't be cached
[01:29] <ajmitch> quidnunc: ok, rename C10shell to D10shell
[01:30] <ajmitch> D hooks are called just before unpacking the source, A hooks are called after trying to install build depends
[01:30] <quidnunc> ajmitch: that works
[01:31] <ajmitch> ok
[01:34] <quidnunc> ajmitch: apt-cache policy is showing a version from hardy.
[01:34] <quidnunc> (and no other options)
[01:35] <quidnunc> How do I determine which dist I am in?
[01:35] <ajmitch> pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list from there
[01:35] <quidnunc> ajmitch: Okay, it lists hardy but why?
[01:36] <quidnunc> I have DIST=oneiric in my .pbuilderrc
[01:36] <ajmitch> & did you create a new base tarball?
[01:36] <quidnunc> ajmitch: I believe so. I guess I will try again
[01:37] <quidnunc> ajmitch: Is this correct? "pbuilder-dist oneiric create"
[01:37]  * ajmitch has a slightly non-standard pbuilder setup & doesn't use pbuilder-dist
[01:37] <ajmitch> but I believe that'll work
[01:37] <quidnunc> Okay, but should that work?
[01:38] <ajmitch> try it & see?
[01:38] <quidnunc> Or what is another command that will do the equivalent?
[01:38] <quidnunc> ajmitch: Long process :)
[01:38] <ajmitch> I do things the old-fashioned way, separate pbuilderrc file per release, and separate named tarball
[01:40]  * ajmitch doesn't know for sure how pdebuild interacts with pbuilder-dist
[01:41] <quidnunc> "pbuilder create" it is
[01:42] <quidnunc> ajmitch: Do the D<name> scripts always run?
[01:45] <ajmitch> yes
[01:47] <pabelanger> Evening!  I know it's late in the game however I just created a feature freeze exception sync request (bug 947646).  Does anybody mind commenting on it, confirming all the required information is there?
[02:02] <ScottK> pabelanger: Easy enough.  Approved.
[02:05] <ScottK> pabelanger: Done.
[02:09] <pabelanger> ScottK: Great!  Thanks
[02:13] <ScottK> pabelanger: binary built and accepted too.
[02:13] <pabelanger> Nice, thanks again for the turn around on it
[02:14] <ScottK> No problem.  Your timing was good that there was someone that could approve it hanging around.
[02:16] <pabelanger> indeed
[03:49] <Corey> For those of you using Jenkins to build debs (for staging, then eventually to prod), how do you get the deb that Jenkins spits out into a dpkg repository?
[03:58] <RAOF> You mean an apt repository?
[03:59] <Corey> Er, yes. :-)
[03:59] <RAOF> apt-ftparchive is what I use for my build-against-local-packages sbuilder.
[03:59] <Corey> I get the idea of "rsync it to the repository server," but I'm still a bit hazy on "add it to the repository."
[03:59] <RAOF> Specifcally: “apt-ftparchive packages . > Packages” to create a Packages file from all the .debs in the current directory.
[04:00] <Corey> Ahhh.
[04:00] <Corey> RAOF: That makes sense. Thanks!
[04:08] <ESphynx> hey guys... things are not working :| i'm trying to install my 32 bit package on Precise 64, and I get: ecere-sdk:i386 : Depends: ecere-doc:i386 but it is not installable
[04:08] <ESphynx> and 2 others... these 3 packages have 'any'
[04:13] <ESphynx> sorry, they have Architecture: all
[04:13] <ESphynx> should it be 'any' ?
[06:10] <vibhav> Hello MOTUs, I have uploaded indicator-sensors at  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/indicator-sensors can somebody review it?
[06:23] <sladen> vibhav: ooh, indicators
[06:24] <vibhav> heh
[06:27] <sladen> eww CDBS
[06:27] <sladen> vibhav: Source: <url://example.com>
[06:27] <sladen> vibhav: in debian/copyright
[06:29] <vibhav> oh no
[06:29] <vibhav> thanks sladen
[06:29] <sladen> vibhav: CDBS could be dropped by replacing '/debian/rules' with   %:
[06:29] <sladen>         dh $@
[06:33] <vibhav> sladen: Is it important to replace cdbs
[06:34] <sladen> vibhav: it's not a fail, but pretty much deprecated
[06:37] <vibhav> sladen: I recieved the rules from the package developer
[06:37] <vibhav> I wonder removing it might do some harm
[06:37] <EvilResistance> o.O CDBS IS EVIL!
[06:37] <EvilResistance> sorry, but i agree with sladen on that xD
[06:39] <vibhav> EvilResistance: wonder removing it might do some harm
[06:40] <vibhav> ?
[06:40] <EvilResistance> dunno, i'm just agreeeing with sladen is all :P
[06:41]  * EvilResistance is off
[06:42] <sladen> vibhav: I've commented on Revu.  Off to Millbank; I'll have another look when I arrive
[06:44] <vibhav> thanks sladen
[06:44] <sladen> vibhav: harm?  Oh, no no.  You've be helping save the planet :)
[06:44] <vibhav> Then Illl replace CDBS
[07:48] <vibhav> Can anybody tell me how do I package a program without a "./configure" ?
[07:50] <RAOF> That depends on the program; how do you build it?  How do you install it?  How do you tell it where to install, etc.
[07:53] <vibhav> The program has an "autogen.sh"
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <RAOF> Oh.  Then you just run that to generate the configure script, and proceed as normal.
[07:54] <RAOF> dh_autoreconf will do that for you, too.
[08:02] <vibhav> dholbach: Good Morning
[08:02] <dholbach> hi vibhav
[08:04] <vibhav> Anybody knows why my .orig.tar.gz is not getting included in the source.changes file?
[08:04] <vibhav> I uploaded it to REVU
[08:04] <vibhav> And the orig.tar.gz was missing
[08:04] <broder> vibhav: it won't get included by default if it doesn't look like this is the first package for that upstream
[08:04] <broder> based on the version numer
[08:04] <broder> so if your version is -2 or -2ubuntu3 or something
[08:05] <broder> but you can override it by passing -sa to debuild
[08:05] <broder> or -- -sa to bzr bd
[08:06] <vibhav> broder: -sa did the trick, thanks :)
[08:07] <broder> np
[08:10] <vibhav> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/indicator-sensors, can somebody review it?
[08:11] <vibhav> I have replaced cdbs
[08:33] <sladen> vibhav: strange, I'm not seeing your latest uploads.  Though I can sort-of-see a reversed(?) diff as the debdiff
[08:33] <sladen> vibhav: I wonder if revu has simply bitrotted in the meantime
[08:35] <vibhav> sladen: I can see my latest uploads
[08:36] <vibhav> sladen: try http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9402
[08:37] <sladen> ah, something changed.  I can see the .debian.tar.gz
[08:37] <sladen> instead of the .diff
[08:37] <sladen> will look in a few minutes again
[08:38] <vibhav> sladen: I uploaded the .orig.tar.gz too
[08:38] <sladen> woo
[08:38] <sladen> guess it was just revu catching up
[08:39] <vibhav> sladen: Can you see the latest uploads
[08:39] <vibhav> REVU processes uploads in 5 minutes
[08:58] <sladen> vibhav: does indicator-sensor actually have numbered releases.  Or is it just a pull of the bzr branch at a particular time/date?
[09:00] <sladen> vibhav: drop the cdbs dependency now it's not being used
[09:01] <sladen> vibhav: stick the closing ')' on the previous line
[09:02] <sladen> vibhav: drop the cdbs dependency now it's not being used
[09:02] <sladen> vibhav: stick the closing ')' on the previous line
[09:03] <sladen> vibhav: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.1 (current is 3.9.3)
[09:06] <sladen> vibhav: two build-time generated files included in the diff:  config.log  po/POTFILES  which shouldn't be there
[09:06] <sladen> vibhav: clean them out before running   'debian -S'
[09:12] <vibhav> sladen: Anything more?
[09:13] <sladen> vibhav: not that I've spotted so far
[09:13] <vibhav> sladen: lintian returns W: indicator-sensors source: newer-standards-version 3.9.3 (current is 3.9.2)
[09:13] <vibhav> and indicator-sensors source: unused-build-dependency-on-cdbs
[09:14] <sladen> vibhav: debian/control    remove 'cdbs' from the Build Depends line
[09:15] <jalcine> Isn't cdbs phasing out?
[09:22] <sladen> jalcine: yes!  vibhav has already nuked it from the packaging, but it's still listed in the depends
[09:23] <jalcine> Hmm.
[09:32] <jokerdino> didrocks: you made a little mistake, dear friend. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/938748
[09:33] <didrocks> jokerdino: what mistake?
[09:33] <didrocks> hey :)
[09:33] <jokerdino> you sure you didn't make a mistake? ;)
[09:34] <didrocks> jokerdino: can you please explain? I don't really have the time to play a game now :)
[09:34] <jokerdino> heh, i see. it was me who submitted the patch.
[09:34] <jokerdino> not that i am angry or something, i probably made a mistake myself
[09:35] <didrocks> jokerdino: oh you're totally right
[09:35] <didrocks> jokerdino: sorry for that, wasn't intended :)
[09:35] <jokerdino> nah, i don't mind much.
[09:35] <didrocks> was king of sketchy because you aren't the one submitting upstream rigth?
[09:35] <didrocks> right*
[09:35] <jokerdino> nope not me. someone else took over the upstream part.
[09:36] <didrocks> 3 people on a bug report was a little bit etoomuch for my brain :)
[09:36] <jokerdino> I think it was Nathan.
[09:36] <didrocks> right
[09:36] <didrocks> jokerdino: thanks again for your work here and sorry for the wrong attribution ;)
[09:36] <didrocks> (I had to retake the upstream patch in fact and separate it in two commits
[09:36] <jokerdino> like i said, i made a mistake as well.
[09:37] <jokerdino> anyway, thanks for accepting the patch!
[09:37] <jokerdino> i am just glad i contributed :D
[09:38] <didrocks> jokerdino: thanks for doing it! :-)
[09:38] <didrocks> jokerdino: there are as well a lot of othe quicklist for defaults apps or keyword to be added! :)
[09:38] <didrocks> jokerdino: btw, you can as well propose a branch (most of the time against lp:~ubuntu-desktop/<projet>/ubuntu
[09:38] <jokerdino> true that, but my main focus is translating. \.
[09:38] <didrocks> and add a changelog (see the packaging guide) to ensure to have your name in it :)
[09:39] <didrocks> jokerdino: as well, submitting translations for those quicklists/keywords is a nice way as well :)
[09:39] <didrocks> thanks again for your contribution and again, sorry for the attribution mistake!
[09:40] <jokerdino> well, i think we should move on. you apologised way too many times.
[09:41] <jokerdino> oh and will surely add an entry in the changelog next time
[09:41] <didrocks> yeah, that will avoid it :)
[09:42] <jokerdino> and regarding proposing a branch, my network blocks ssh.
[09:42] <jokerdino> so, i can only attach a patch.
[09:43] <jokerdino> anyway, that is irrelevant.
[09:44] <didrocks> ah ok :/
[09:44] <didrocks> yeah, patch is fine
[09:44] <vibhav> sladen: Should I remove POTFILES.in too?
[09:46] <jokerdino> great, let's carry on with our stuff
[09:49] <sladen> vibhav: no
[09:49] <sladen> vibhav: that's the input file that gets converted to 'POTFILES' during the build
[10:03] <sladen> vibhav: poke
[10:03] <sladen> vibhav: (I'll keep checking back, in between gaps)
[10:29] <jalcine> Do you need SSL access to upload packages to a PPA?
[10:29] <jalcine> My connection blocks that, but I have my system ready to dput stuff.
[11:53] <geser> jalcine: no, dput uses ftp by default
[11:53] <jalcine> Also, when is the pocketsphinx source package going to be updated?
[11:54] <jalcine> It has a released version of 0.6.1 but the repositories show that the latest is 0.5.1+dfsg1-0ubuntu2
[11:54] <jalcine> thanks geser
[11:55] <jalcine> If that's updated, then sphinxbase ought to be updated as well.
[11:55]  * jalcine wonders who exactly maintains those packages.
[11:57] <geser> jalcine: as pocketsphinx got never touched again after the initial upload (ignoring a rebuild), probably nobody will update it (unless someone from the community steps up)
[11:58]  * jalcine sees an opporunity.
[11:58] <geser> packages in the universe component are "maintained" by the community (or directly taken from Debian)
[12:00] <geser> community = everyone can update it (but it usually respected if persons have a interest in specific packages so work gets coordinated with them)
[12:01] <geser> so feel free to update it (but I'm not sure if it will get into precise due to Feature Freeze)
[12:01] <jalcine> I use those packages heavily in an application I'm working on.
[12:01] <jalcine> And I'm in touch with upstream.
[12:01] <jalcine> I'll see if I can begin such an update.
[12:03] <jalcine> Thanks for your help geser
[12:18]  * jalcine enters back.
[12:40]  * Rhonda . o O ( updated the patches in bug #932011 for the latest upload )
[12:48] <vibhav> Can somebody review my package at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/indicator-sensors ?
[13:14] <jalcine> Let's say you've download source packages and made updates to them.
[13:14] <jalcine> How do you get them uploaded back to the repositories?
[13:14] <jalcine> As a patch?
[13:16] <dholbach> jalcine, updates as in "update to a new upstream version"?
[13:17] <jalcine> That, for one, and the other kind of updates, like updates to packaging info.
[13:18] <dholbach> you could upload it to a PPA and then link to it in bug report where you subscribe the 'ubuntu-sponsors' team
[13:18] <jalcine> The package itself or the entire PPA?
[13:19] <dholbach> the package itself
[13:19] <jalcine> Alrighty, thanks.
[13:19] <jalcine> Lol, this stuff's more fun than I though.
[13:19] <jalcine> *thought
[13:20] <vibhav> Can somebody review my package at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/indicator-sensors ?
[13:22] <jalcine> Is that process of linking and merging PPAs repeated each time there's an update to the software?
[13:39] <Laney> Rhonda: if you say you've tested it builds/installs/runs then I can approve
[13:48] <geser> JackyAlcine_: what you mean with "linking and merging PPAs"?
[13:54] <jalcine> geser: Opening a bug and making a link to the PPA.
[13:55] <tumbleweed> jalcine_: we don't usually use PPAs for sponsorship. debdiffs / bzr branches are preferred
[13:55] <tumbleweed> !sponsorship
[13:55] <jalcine_> ah, no problem.
[13:56] <dholbach> tumbleweed, jalcine_ asked because of an update to a new upstream version + fixes - I thought it'd be an easy solution to just give a link to a package in a ppa
[13:56] <dholbach> but sure, a branch also works
[13:57] <tumbleweed> yeah, PPAs work better for that than debdiffs
[13:58] <tumbleweed> the downside with PPAs for sponsorship is that a second round of review requires a bumped version, so the sponsor ends up with some changelog editing
[13:59] <jalcine_> Hmm.
[14:00] <tumbleweed> jalcine_: you just need a way to share the source package with the sponsor. Anything that works for you is fine
[14:00] <jalcine_> Alrighty.
[14:00] <jalcine_> Thanks all.
[14:00] <jalcine_> and dholbach, Silverlion says hello :)
[14:45] <tumbleweed> l3on: you were asknig for an NMU the other day. Did you find a sponsor?
[14:45] <l3on> tumbleweed, I'm not sure.. package is flowscan
[14:46] <l3on> I'm a little bit busy in these days with the ubuntu-it community, so I don't have enough time to follow devel as well...
[14:46] <l3on> :/
[14:48] <tumbleweed> l3on: debian bug 660044, I assume
[14:48] <l3on> tumbleweed, yes! :)
[14:49] <tumbleweed> seems reasonable
[17:10] <vibhav> Is any MOTU available here?
[17:23] <broder> EvilResistance: why did you file bug #948117 as a backport and not an sru?
[17:33] <Rhonda> Laney: right, I asked about testers: http://identi.ca/notice/91596187 http://twitter.com/lalobee/status/177012344239570944  :)
[17:42] <broder> micahg: wait, is fix committed the new in progress for backports?
[17:43] <broder> did anybody fix backport-helper to pick that up?
[17:43] <micahg> broder: oops, you're right, E_NOTENOUGHCAFFEINE :)
[17:43] <broder> heh. really, i wouldn't mind seeing us switch to triaged since we have a little more control over who uses that
[17:44] <broder> but meh. don't care enough to push on it
[17:51] <Laney> Rhonda: ack (you can confirm builds, installs though, even with a chroot)
[17:53] <Rhonda> Theoretically yes, but that would require disk space and setting up the chroots. :)
[17:53] <Rhonda> Not that I don't have that on some remote servers.
[18:13] <EvilResistance> broder, i was unaware of SRUs
[18:14] <EvilResistance> broder, see response on the bug, there's no one patch i can create to isolate the thing, short of an upgrade to the package itself with the latest debian-packaged version (3.2.1, as in Precise)
[18:15] <jtaylor> n
[18:15] <EvilResistance> the fix was done at the source code level, and there was a bunch of other source-level diffs that went along with the upstream revision
[18:15] <EvilResistance> s/revision/release/
[18:18] <EvilResistance> or short of having the Debian maintainer publish the latest upstream source for Debian, and then have that synced into Precise and Oneiric (which is extraordinarily irregular)
[18:20] <broder> EvilResistance: when we can, we want to be surgical with our patches post-release so that we can avoid regressing things. normally i would advocate looking through the diff between the releases and finding the relevant portions of the patch. in this case, though, i think all of the changes are important, so we can sru the entire release into oneiric
[18:21] <broder> it's basically like a backport, but it's actually an sru
[18:22] <broder> EvilResistance: actually, i should have done this earlier, but i'm going to completely close bug #948117 and instead we can track the sru in bug #884619
[18:23] <EvilResistance> broder, then in this case i'll have to rework the package in Oneiric now, apply the upstream code release that's in Oneiric, and then upload that package to <unidentifiedDestinationAddress>
[18:24] <broder> did you mean to use oneiric twice?
[18:24] <EvilResistance> nope, the second was supposed to be "Precise"
[18:25]  * EvilResistance has been staring at assembly code the past few hours dissecting why his router exploded
[18:25] <broder> ok, right
[18:25] <broder> you could do that, but if i was preparing this, i would start with the precise package, and just add a new changelog entry targeting oneiric-proposed
[18:25] <EvilResistance> i could do that
[18:25] <broder> something like 3.2.1-1~oneiric0.1
[18:26] <EvilResistance> ok, i've got to head out for a meeting, i'll be back  later, where do i then upload that package to?
[18:26] <EvilResistance> revu?
[18:26] <broder> EvilResistance: create a debdiff between 3.2.1-1 and 3.2.1-1~oneiric0.1 and attach that to bug #884619
[18:27] <broder> but i may just do it and upload, since there aren't any changes required other than the changelog
[18:27] <broder> EvilResistance: however, it will still be your responsibility to writeup those 5 points on the bug
[18:33] <broder> somebody really needs to tell these guys about asprintf or something, though
[18:33] <broder> their fix for the log name bug is pretty terrible
[18:35] <nigelb> x/ws 64
[18:35] <nigelb> grar
[18:45] <jtaylor> can I uplaod to -security?
[18:45] <jtaylor> or do I need sponsor for that?
[18:45] <jtaylor> (universe package)
[18:47] <Ampelbein> jtaylor: for -security you'd need a sponsor from the security team.
[18:47] <jdstrand> jtaylor: it needs to be sponsored. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures#Preparing_an_update
[18:47] <jtaylor> thx
[20:08] <EvilResistance> broder: does this work?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/egenix-mx-base/+bug/884619/comments/3
[20:08] <EvilResistance> (it should it addresses all 5 points as outlined in the SRU procedure)
[20:09] <broder> EvilResistance: (a) we're not updating to 3.2.1 because finding the patch is time consuming; we're updating because all of the changes fix bugs in the code, (b) in the future put the writeup in the bug description, not a comment
[20:09] <broder> i'll post a followup comment to address (a)
[20:10] <EvilResistance> broder: the edit for the description didnt show up for me :/
[20:10] <EvilResistance> i couldnt post in the description, because the edit button didnt show up
[20:10] <EvilResistance> therefore, the comment was the only way to post the information (per the edit button not appearing)
[20:10] <broder> ok
[21:55] <aboudreault> why after a dpatch-edit-patch... my patches in 00list are not applied?
[21:56] <aboudreault> I want to create a new patch that need to be applied after other patches.
[21:57] <ScottK> aboudreault: Do dpatch-edit-patch new-patch last-patch-in-00list
[21:57] <ScottK> You have to tell it that.
[21:57] <aboudreault> ha... there is a -a option
[21:57] <aboudreault> sorry, had completly forgotten this. I normally use quilt. thanks
[22:00] <aboudreault> ScottK, well... do I have to do anything else or exit 0 should work?
[22:01] <aboudreault> the created patch is huge and contains all other patches
[22:01] <ScottK> exit 0 should work.
[22:01] <ScottK> It's been awhile since I had to use it.
[22:04] <aboudreault> will fix it manually...


[01:06] <thumper> axw: morning
[01:07] <axw> thumper: howdy
[01:07] <thumper> axw: I threw anouther bug your way
[01:07] <thumper> axw: after talking with rick_h earlier today
[01:08] <axw> thumper: yep np
[01:12] <rick_h> TY axw!


[05:22] <bazhang> cross-posting gone wild
[05:22] <rww> so why is my connection so much slower in linux then windows 7 could it be a driver issue? or some setting?
[05:25] <bazhang> nice. we can override staff now!
[08:53] <Myrtti> merh
[08:55] <Tm_T> meh!
[08:56]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti with all the meh!
[09:28] <jpds> < Tom^> hai /b of linux irc channels
[09:28] <jpds> Troll detected.
[11:53] <Pici> what is stephenthemartyr going on about?
[11:53] <bazhang> "The Days Of Our Installs"
[12:24] <bazhang> the amount of cross-posting is frankly stunning
[12:27] <elky> welcome to the idea of telling people about irc without telling them basic etiquette at the same time
[12:44] <bazhang> is thebig0ne try ing to install ubuntu even?
[14:27] <Pici> ikonia: going to remove the ban? Or?
[14:28] <ikonia> dumb floodbots, sure
[14:32] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: thank you for joining
[14:33] <GirlyGirl> ikonia: anything wrong?
[14:33] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: yes, please stop offering advice/discussion on apple/macos in #ubuntu
[14:34] <ikonia> I asked for it to stop 4 times to different people and you brought it up again
[14:34] <GirlyGirl> I believe I just told the person to refer to apple-support not here
[14:35] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: they had already been told it was not ontopic for the channe and givn the correct chnnel
[14:35] <ikonia> he also made it clear he wanted to do hackintosh, so pushing apple support is not helpful
[14:35] <GirlyGirl> ikonia: Ok sorry I didn't really read all his messages
[14:36] <ikonia> but you did read my messages asking it to stop ?
[14:36] <GirlyGirl> No sorry
[14:36] <GirlyGirl> didn't see them
[14:37] <ikonia> ok, I'll remove the mute in #ubuntu, you'll need to part and rejoin in a minute
[14:37] <GirlyGirl> ok I'll be more careful from now on thanks
[14:37] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: if you leave #ubuntu and rejoin you should be ok to speak again
[14:38] <GirlyGirl> ok .. trust me I had no intention of offering any advice to circumvent EULA's
[14:39] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: well, as I said if you leave this channel, leave #ubuntu and rejoin #ubuntu you should be fine
[14:40] <GirlyGirl> ikonia: Thank you I did that
[14:40] <UbuntuGNULinux> I'm having problem with Operator abuse by ikonia, I was kicked and lost voice simply for one piece of bad advice
[14:40] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: clearly not as your still here
[14:40] <UbuntuGNULinux> This was without any prior warning
[14:40] <GirlyGirl> ok leaving here
[14:40] <Pici> Sure, give us a chance to respond.
[14:41] <ikonia> Pici: I'd already told him in pm
[14:41] <ikonia> Pici: he's just read it and realised he looked foolish and parted
[14:42] <Pici> Ah.
[14:42] <Pici> GirlyGirl: You still appear to be here.
[14:43] <rww> GirlyGirl: the opposite of /join is /part ;)
[14:43] <GirlyGirl_> ikonia: Sorry my connection dropped so I'm waiting to time out
[14:43] <ikonia> errr..... you're typing
[14:43] <ikonia> it's not dropped/timing out while it's active
[14:44] <GirlyGirl_> ikonia: the one without "_"
[14:44] <Pici> GirlyGirl_: you can part your active client.  We can remove the other.
[14:44] <GirlyGirl_> ok
[14:45] <ikonia> UbuntuGNULinux still going on at me in PM that he wont' progress this through the council even though I was wrong to kic him
[14:45] <ikonia> I'm going to ban him and he can take it up with the council
[14:46] <ikonia> he's fluent in the rules in 5 langauges
[14:46] <ikonia> so he claims, so should know them
[14:46] <Pici> eh?
[14:46] <ikonia> lecturing me that it was unacceptable to kick him
[14:46] <Pici> The appeals process is to come here first, not to the council.
[14:46] <ikonia> Pici: that's his decision
[14:47]  * Pici shrugs
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> I wish to raise a complaint (again) about ikonia
[14:47] <Pici> UbuntuGNULinux: Perhaps you'll stick around this time.
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> I have been kicked for simply making a joke (without any warning)
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> And then banned for disagreeing with his decision
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> I left last time because I was let back in
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> Seems very heavy handed to me
[14:48] <UbuntuGNULinux> I request that ikonia immediately has op status removed until this abuse of power is resolved
[14:49] <Pici> Thats not really how our appeals process works.
[14:49] <Pici> You can take a look at this document if you'd like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess
[14:49] <UbuntuGNULinux> I've done step 2 already, I PM'd him and got no understanding
[14:50] <ikonia> no
[14:50] <Pici> Anyway, if an operator feels that a user who has broken our rules is not going to continue to abide by them in the future, then a ban is placed.
[14:50] <ikonia> you pm'd me and refused to accept that is unacceptable behaviour
[14:50] <UbuntuGNULinux> Disagreeing isn't allowed?
[14:50] <UbuntuGNULinux> You didn't give any warning as your own guide indicates you should
[14:50] <UbuntuGNULinux> You just instantly kicked me
[14:50] <ikonia> correct
[14:50] <ikonia> spoke to you in pm - and allowed you to rejoin
[14:50] <UbuntuGNULinux> You need to follow the guidelines yourself
[14:51] <UbuntuGNULinux> Yes, and then kicked me for conversation in the PM rather than anything I'd said in the channel itself
[14:51] <ikonia> you where miss-leading a user with bad advice, you where removed
[14:51] <ikonia> I explained the reasons and allowed you to rejoin
[14:51] <Pici> Unfortunately our hands are tied due to the measures that we employ to allow webchats on the channel. We can't mute in those cases.
[14:51] <UbuntuGNULinux> And why was I kicked the second time?
[14:51] <UbuntuGNULinux> I hadn't spoken again in #ubuntu
[14:51] <ikonia> UbuntuGNULinux: because you refuse to accept your behaviour was wrong and are trying to complain about getting kicked rather than just using #ubuntu and suggesting you won't take it to the council
[14:52] <ikonia> I suggest i you are unhappy with th behaviour I'll remute you - which I did and you can follow the appeals process
[14:52] <ikonia> at this point, I'll leave you to the procees
[14:52] <UbuntuGNULinux> So if you disagree with an OP you get kicked? I didn't disagree with the policy that users should be helpful, I disagreed with you not following the policy of a warning before taking action
[14:53] <UbuntuGNULinux> This is in your own document!
[14:53] <UbuntuGNULinux> Please reinstate me in the #ubuntu channel, I won't disagree with any more OPs
[14:55] <UbuntuGNULinux> Your document says "continued misbehaving after you have been advised to stop is disruptive"
[14:55] <UbuntuGNULinux> I did not see any advice
[14:56] <UbuntuGNULinux> Kicking is not advice
[15:00] <LjL> UbuntuGNULinux: kicking is a valid form of warning. in your case it automatically resulted in a ban, but that wasn't intended.
[15:00] <UbuntuGNULinux> I disagree, I have never been in a channel where kicking is a warning
[15:00] <UbuntuGNULinux> It's unfriendly to say the least
[15:01] <LjL> well it's not friendly to give bogus advice either
[15:01] <UbuntuGNULinux> Anyway, thanks for resolving the issue, I'm sure not all OPs are unfair like ikonia :)
[15:02] <LjL> who resolved anything?
[15:02] <ikonia> just more smart mouth from him
[18:01] <ikonia> MarkShuttlewort $50 says will not end well
[21:04] <bombshellz> Hello
[21:05] <ikonia> hello
[21:05] <bombshellz> Apparently there's a ban placed on *bshellz.* and some how matches bombshellz.net
[21:05] <bombshellz> Bombshellz.net and Bshellz are two different entities and no way related
[21:06] <bombshellz> I was told to visit here to see if I can resolve the issue?
[21:06] <ikonia> well, I don't think there is a ban on bshellz anymore
[21:06] <ikonia> I will look though
[21:06] <mrmist> there is indeed
[21:06] <LjL> yes there is
[21:06] <LjL> i have no idea how it would impact bombshellz.net though
[21:06] <mrmist> it's *bshellz
[21:06] <bombshellz> I can't join the channel
[21:06] <ikonia> I thought we'd removed the bshellz one
[21:06] <bombshellz> It says, you're +b
[21:06] <mrmist> Ban against<EMAIL_ADDRESS>matches<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Set by rww!~rww@ubuntu/member/rww)
[21:07] <mrmist> So accidentally covers their host
[21:07] <LjL> oh right
[21:07] <bombshellz> because
[21:07] <bombshellz> of the bshellz near the end
[21:07] <LjL> bombshellz: does your shell normally enforce identd? is it paid?
[21:08] <bombshellz> LjL: I'm the owner, we do have oidentd running and no it's not paid but we're very stringent of our users
[21:08] <LjL> bombshellz: i don't suppose you have a channel here on freenode where we could reach you in case of issues? is abuse at bombshellz dot net in place?
[21:09] <bombshellz> LjL<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is fine... Our channel is on our own network ;)
[21:09] <LjL> bombshellz: ok i'll change the ban
[21:09] <ikonia> the webpage looks like it has good policies
[21:10] <bombshellz> LjL: I'm actually the person who is need of assistance ;)
[21:10] <LjL> bombshellz: you should be able to join now
[21:11] <bombshellz> Thanks, well I have to leave now ... I'll visit later on thanks
[21:11] <LjL> see you later
[21:11] <bombshellz> Thanks LjL and mrmist for your assistance in this matter ;)
[22:59] <emma> anyone here have ops in #ubuntu-uk?
[23:01] <ikonia> emma: what's up ?
[23:11] <emma> hi
[23:12] <emma> I had a bad connection a few days and I think I was banned for bouncing, can you reset that?


[09:08] <mup> Bug #1591093 opened: 3rd party HP drivers (archive hostname renamed) - deployment fails <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591093>
[10:28] <manolas> hello! how can I set the same date/time on all nodes?
[10:45] <manolas> anyone? :)
[11:53] <olavgg> I'm trying MAAS for the first time here, but I have a problem. When I boot a machine with PXE from MAAS. It hang during boot with the following error message "no url to host". It is like the client gets no internet connection. Is there something specific I need to configure for that to work?
[11:53] <olavgg> sorry, the error message says: "no route to host"
[13:41] <smoser> olavgg, do you get to a linux boot ?
[13:41] <smoser> or is this the pxe environment erroring
[15:33] <mup> Bug #1591250 opened: 1.9.3 changelog information missing from maas.ubuntu.com/docs1.9/changelog.html <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591250>
[16:03] <mup> Bug #1502253 changed: Partition table should be deleted after all partitions have been removed <storage> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502253>
[16:03] <mup> Bug #1590866 changed: [2.0b6] Cannot deploy Windows Server 2012 R2  <jujuqa> <MAAS Image Builder:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590866>
[17:16] <jhobbs> I have a bunch of physically identical nodes that I want to have the same storage configuration
[17:16] <jhobbs> what's the best way to do that? do i need to just configure each one the same way one by one?
[17:22] <roaksoax> jhobbs: yes
[17:23] <roaksoax> jhobbs: if it is custom, you can only do it on one by one basis
[17:23] <jhobbs> ok, thanks roaksoax
[18:06] <abi_> hi
[18:52] <mup> Bug #1583349 changed: ESXi VM fails to commission after adding VMware chassis : no image ubuntu/amd64/hwe-x/trusty/no-such-image/boot-kernel <oil> <MAAS:Invalid by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583349>
[19:52] <mup> Bug #1534942 changed: Failed curtin install: An error occured handling 'sda': ValueError - no disk with serial '<diskserialnumber>' found <landscape> <oil> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1534942>
[19:52] <mup> Bug #1591336 opened: MAAS allows formatting /dev/sda as one big ext4 filesystem, but that doesn't work <v-pil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591336>
[20:01] <mup> Bug #1591346 opened: [2.0b7] maas createadmin fails <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591346>
[20:46] <mup> Bug #1591364 opened: disks not renamed on deployed systems following renaming on maas UI <oil> <curtin:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591364>
[21:16] <mup> Bug #1246626 changed: WAKE_ON_LAN power method cannot power off a node. <power> <wol> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1246626>
[21:46] <mup> Bug #1591364 changed: Can't use new dname on trusty deployed systems following renaming on maas UI <oil> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591364>
[22:25] <mup> Bug #1590846 changed: [2.0b6] Installation log of a failed install not sent back to MAAS <curtin:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590846>
[22:25] <mup> Bug #1591395 opened: [arm64] some arm64 systems need ipmi_ssif module instead of ipmi_si <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591395>


[18:32] <MichaelPaoli> Berkeley Linux Users Group noon-3p @ Bobby G's http://www.berkeleylug.com/?page_id=67
[18:32] <darthrobot> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Meetings]
[18:33] <DonkeyHotei> MichaelPaoli: is it near BART?
[18:33] <MichaelPaoli> Yes, quite close.
[18:34] <DonkeyHotei> which station?
[18:34] <MichaelPaoli> Downtown Berkeley BART.
[18:34] <MichaelPaoli> From BART walk North on Shatttuck Ave. to University Ave., then turn and go West on University, then left into Bobby G's. on that first block.  :-)
[18:35] <MichaelPaoli> (turn left on University, that is).
[18:37] <DonkeyHotei> north side, or south?
[18:38] <MichaelPaoli> Bobby G's is on the South side of University Ave.  waking directions from BART: http://tinyurl.com/pczqh6z
[18:38] <darthrobot> [R: maps.google.com] Title: [Downtown Berkeley BART Station to Bobby g's pizzeria - Google Maps]
[18:38] <DonkeyHotei> so, east of Au Coquelet on the same side?
[18:39] <DonkeyHotei> Berkeley Unix Users Group meets at Au Coquelet last i checked
[18:39] <MichaelPaoli> Well, time for me to pack up and head out - have an errand to run along my way there.  ... and yes, same side, and East of Au Coquelet - it's on the same block.
[18:39] <MichaelPaoli> Yes, that's Berkeley Unix User Group - not to be confused with Berkeley Linux Users Group.
[18:40] <MichaelPaoli> http://www.buug.org/ http://www.berkeleylug.com/ - the latter being the one meeting today noon - 3p.
[18:40] <darthrobot> Title: [Berkeley Unix User Group]
[18:40] <darthrobot> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group]
[20:05] <MichaelPaoli> Berkeley Linux Users Group noon-3p @ Bobby G's http://www.berkeleylug.com/?page_id=67 ... yes, have Ubuntu DVDs here too.
[20:05] <darthrobot> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Meetings]


[02:01] <Bashing-om> rebooting to see what is in recovery for graphic's driver .
[02:14] <Bashing-om> Mind more at ease now . Verified that 'recovery' also loads the nvidia driver :)
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> !isitoutyet
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> !party
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the edit dax
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-adds-last-minute-finishing-touches-to-ubuntu-17-10-artful-aardvark-518062.shtml
[02:40] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: How is wayland going to work with the nvidia graphic's driver ?
[02:41] <lotuspsychje_> Bashing-om: we will see tomorrow in main mate lol
[02:41] <lotuspsychje_> Bashing-om: ive tested an nvidia laptop, but that was before wayland, aka xwayland
[02:43] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje_: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/xserver.html . Think we are going to have issues !
[02:44] <lotuspsychje_> im sure we will..
[05:07] <EriC^^> morning all
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[05:37] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> all good there EriC^^ ?
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> almost artful day :p
[06:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader & ducasse
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> all good there?
[06:09] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:09] <lordievader> Doing good here
[06:09] <lordievader> How are you?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> great here, coffee
[06:13] <lordievader> That doesn't sound like a bad idea.
[06:17] <Bashing-om> ' Nuf - do this more later o/
[06:26] <ducasse> morning everyone
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:29] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:09] <EriC^^> back
[07:13] <EriC^^> how's it going lotuspsychje ?
[07:13] <EriC^^> morning ducasse lordievader o/
[07:14] <lordievader> Hey EEriC^^ , how are you doing?
[07:14] <EriC^^> good thanks, yourself?
[07:15] <ducasse> morning EriC^^
[07:15] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[07:15] <EriC^^> :)
[07:17] <lordievader> What is on the program for you guys today?
[07:20] <ducasse> good question :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:51] <pauljw> mornin' BluesKaj :)
[12:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[15:22] <oerheks> cron.daily issues on a live iso, not sure it is trolling ..
[15:32] <nicomachus> oerheks: I didn't even bother with that one
[15:43] <oerheks> .. didn't update .. my faith in humanity climbed 3 points
[15:45] <BluesKaj> Hey oerheks, nicomachus
[15:46] <oerheks> hi BluesKaj :-D
[15:46] <oerheks> welcome to the support jungle
[15:46] <BluesKaj> ready for the big release tomorrow?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> think I'm mostly up to date already
[15:47] <oerheks> yes, backupped and backupped the backup
[15:48] <oerheks> incl https://www.dropbox.com/s/0f25drf283kmjup/2017Pien%26Drabber.JPG?dl=0
[15:48] <oerheks> Pien Hijacked the couch, Drabber is not amuzed
[15:49] <BluesKaj> kitties !
[17:19] <nipoc> Hey guys anyone know what time 17.10 is being released tomorrow, a quick google didn't help? thx
[17:20] <TJ-> depends on when the images have all built and been put in place
[17:21] <daftykins> nipoc: all the cool kids use LTS
[17:22] <nipoc> TJ: thanks
[17:22] <nipoc> daftykins: haha, I just want shiny new gnome
[17:23] <TJ-> You're wanting to do a fresh install? Otherwise a do-releae-upgrade will do it
[17:23] <nipoc> TJ: yea I was trying out elemental for a bit, but want to return to the fold
[17:24] <daftykins> wise decision, no fakers!
[17:24] <TJ-> well you can install from the daily/beta ISO too, then full-upgrade in case any packages have been upgraded since
[17:25] <nipoc> TJ: that's the solution I was looking for, the froze most packages a couple of days ago anyway, right. I'll do that, thanks TJ
[17:25] <TJ-> nipoc: yes, that's correct
[18:46] <Bashing-om> Back on :) .. Bright eyed now and bushy tailed .. we do Wensday support .
[19:04] <daftykins> welcome back!
[19:04]  * daftykins hands Bashing-om his Ubuntu mug of tea/coffee
[19:05] <Bashing-om> daftykins: :) That ^ is a good thing .. brain cell lubrication .
[19:05] <daftykins> :D
[19:06] <oerheks> * now with 1 free braincell every cup, collect them all!
[19:07] <daftykins> :O!
[19:08] <Bashing-om> Then - there are those times that even when all brain cells are corraled - still ain't got enough :(
[19:09] <oerheks> Tomorrow release, friday payday, then weekend support ..
[19:09] <Bashing-om> oerheks: wayland ! .. It will be a learning experience .
[19:10] <oerheks> ai ai ai
[19:10] <daftykins> weyhey the band is back together (:
[19:13] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Feels Good ^ even EriC^^ and TJ- are in residence :)
[19:13] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[19:14] <daftykins> welcome back \o Ubuntu logo'd coffee/tea mugs are over by the door, help yourself!
[19:14] <daftykins> :D
[19:15] <leftyfb> oh right, 17.10 is finally doing wayland
[19:15] <leftyfb> can't say I'm excited about that in the lease. No more X forwarding :(
[19:17] <daftykins> it seems big changes in Linux-land are far too often about "what can you no longer do" until things catch back up again (if at all)
[19:19] <leftyfb> it's because people rewrite solutions from scratch and then find out why the original solution became stagnant and bloated to begin with and don't want to put in the effort to get back to feature parity
[19:19] <daftykins> heh yep that makes sense
[19:20] <daftykins> probably bogged-down with bugs and edge cases in the meantime too
[19:20] <TJ-> I was chatting to someone in ##linux yesterday who's running the 17.10 dailies and pointed out Wayland doesn't support screenshots. He was adamant it does and he'd done it. He then tried to prove it worked. Iasked to see the process list, and there was XWayland - Xorg running atop Wayland, so providing screenshoting. He then changed it to start with pure Wayland and lost screenshoting
[19:20] <leftyfb> people who come up with new solutions have a great 10% POC and love saying "oh, adding in the other features will be easy and will come soon enough" ... then don't realize that most of the work in the solution was all those features working together. Not the 10% you already came up with.
[19:21] <Bashing-om> leftyfb: How large has the kernel code base now become ?
[19:22] <leftyfb> I hope we don't drop xorg before wayland is closer to feature complete
[19:22] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: I think the kernel is a bit of a different beast. Mainly due to drivers who do in fact come and go (mostly come).
[19:22] <TJ-> we're at something like 20 million lines of code
[19:22] <daftykins> sheesh
[19:23] <daftykins> and no screenshots ;D
[19:23] <leftyfb> it's doing something right though if it's basically running the world at the moment
[19:26] <TJ-> Indeed, a monolithic yet extremely modular kernel. It's why most microkernels haven't really taken off for mainstream use
[19:29] <Bashing-om> When one sits down to read the kernel source, best have more than one cup of coffee handy :P
[19:29] <TJ-> better a hose
[19:29] <daftykins> XD
[19:30] <TJ-> it's actually quite readable. The problem is understanding and sometimes finding all the inter-relationships since so much is done via deferred work queues and so on. You can necessarily follow a simple call stack to figure it out
[19:30] <TJ-> s/can/cannot/