[06:44] <AlanBell> morning al
[06:59] <awilkins> NHS Hack Day!
[07:01] <Azelphur> o.O?
[07:09] <awilkins> Not cracking, hacking
[07:10] <Azelphur> still wat
[07:10] <awilkins> Train arrives, must gather self
[07:11] <DJones> i was just about to tell my wife not to switch her laptop on so she didn't get hacked
[07:11] <DJones> :)
[07:13] <DJones> anyway who's idea is 18C at 8am on a weekend, too warm to sleep, too sleepy too get up
[07:38] <DJones>  This is the life, lying in bed, updating a server using a tablet
[08:01] <Mez_> So, I receive an email from paypal
[08:01] <Mez_> from a known phishing address
[08:02] <Mez_> (server)
[08:02] <Mez_> but it's DKIM signed
[08:02] <Mez_> and domainkey signed
[08:02] <Mez_> correctly as paypal.
[08:02] <Azelphur> o.O
[08:02] <Mez_> I've tried sending it to spoof@ who say it's a legit email
[08:03] <Mez_> But I don't believe them
[08:03] <Azelphur> I'm curious, you can forward it to me if you want xD
[08:03] <Mez_> (Email telling me that my account was in arrears... but it wasnt..
[08:06] <Mez_> !paste
[08:06] <czajkowski> morning
[08:06] <Mez_> hmm
[08:06] <Mez_> thats what I thought
[08:06] <Mez_> but its not working
[08:07] <Mez_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007759/
[08:07] <christel> i didnt think your PP account could go in arrears
[08:07] <Mez_> I think it can if someone charges back and you've spent the money
[08:08] <Mez_> or if you lose a dispute or something?
[08:08] <Mez_> but I'm rather concerned by that email
[08:08] <Mez_> even if it doesnt go to a fishing site... it's not legit
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> won't they try to get it back to 0 by charging your cc?
[08:09] <Mez_> looks to be a test
[08:09] <Mez_> but concerned that domainkey and DKIM is there
[08:09] <Mez_> and correct, AFAICS
[08:09] <Azelphur> Mez_: yea, it's definitely a phish xD
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: don't log in through the mail
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: type "paypal.com" into your browser and check it like that
[08:09] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, I wouldnt XD
[08:10] <christel> MartijnVdS: yeah thats what i would have assumed, that they just used the "funding sources" on file to balance the account
[08:10] <Mez_> Azelphur, the link actually goes through to PP
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> it looks legit
[08:10] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, even though the links dont go to paypal and it wasnt sent by paypals servers?
[08:11] <Azelphur> Mez_: that pastebin you gave is epicly corrupted fyi
[08:11] <Mez_> Azelphur, how so ?
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's not, it's quoted-printable
[08:11] <Azelphur> "2.=09Click =E2=80=98Add Funds=E2=80=99 near the top of the page." :P
[08:11] <Mez_> what MartijnVdS said
[08:11] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: the "List-Unsubscribe" is fishy
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: and the reply-to
[08:12] <Mez_> and the servers it was sent through
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> no wait.. that's the From: as well.. and it's @paypal.com
[08:12] <christel> yet it is addressed to you by name so doesnt seem super generic
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: report suspecting phish on paypal.com, and check balance there :)
[08:12] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, I reported it - i just get an automated email back even though I've asked for an explanation
[08:13] <Mez_> saying it's legit
[08:13] <Mez_> which I don't believe
[08:14] <Mez_> espescially as the servers it's sent through have been reported for a paypal phish attempt before on a major scale
[08:14] <Azelphur> indeed
[08:14] <Azelphur> and that mkt2944 site is known for phishing
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> isn't it just a big mailserver service provider?
[08:15] <Mez_> yeah - as far as i can see
[08:15] <Mez_> It's like a "mailshot" kinda email
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> makes sense to use the same service provider as the one you're trying to spoof ;)
[08:16] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, do you think the email is legit, or not?
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: do you have the GMail "show authenticated mails" lab hing on?
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> thing*
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> if so, does it show a yellow key next to the mail?
[08:17] <Mez_> yes it does
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> then gmail thinks it's legit
[08:17] <Mez_> as I said - the DKIM/Domainkey is legit.
[08:17] <Mez_> Which is why I think it's a massive security concern
[08:18] <Mez_> as the email is saying  I've got a negative balance, which I dont
[08:18] <Mez_> it wasnt sent through paypals servers
[08:18] <Mez_> and is from a known phishing mail host
[08:18] <Mez_> therefore - I'm concerned that DKIM/Domainkey has been compromised here
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: if spoof@paypal doesn't think it's a spoof, it's their problem
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> Mez_: how would they know your full name though
[08:19] <Mez_> MartijnVdS, because they can quite happily get that through G+ these days ?  Because I've got my name all over the web ?
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> good pointw
[08:20]  * Mez_ is rather concerned/disturbed by this
[08:34] <shauno> that's a really odd one.  nothing looks actually wrong, just a lot of red flags
[08:38] <shauno> mkt2944 doesn't look particularly scammy.  they're using markmonitor as their registrar.  and they're freaking expensive.  $40k for a one off, but you can beat them down to $10k in bulk
[08:38] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:40] <AlanBell> Mez_: presumably your account is non-negative?
[08:40] <Mez_> AlanBell, yes. it's something like £6 positive?
[08:57] <shauno> The more I look, the more it looks legit to me
[08:57] <czajkowski> AlanBell: mail sent
[09:31]  * MartijnVdS upgrades to Q
[09:42] <kvarley> How can I find out what resolution a pdf file is?
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> PDFs don't have resolution. The images in them can
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: what are you trying to do?
[09:43] <kvarley> Trying to dump a pdf page to a jpeg without any change in size
[09:43] <kvarley> It's an open source diagram but the author used a microsoft visio format so I don't think I can edit that
[09:44] <kvarley> My bad
[09:44] <kvarley> LibreOffice opened it perfectly =D
[09:44] <kvarley> Sorry about that xD
[10:58] <popey> Morning all
[10:59] <penguin42> Hey Popey
[10:59] <Seeker`> o/
[11:03] <brobostigon> afternoonings popey
[11:09] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> Goodness, is it only just afternoon?
[11:09] <brobostigon> afternoonings bigcalm :)
[11:09]  * bigcalm dislikes getting work done on a Saturday morning
[11:09] <bigcalm> Got Hayley's presents wrapped though :)
[11:10] <bigcalm> Hey brobostigon
[11:10]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[11:19] <penguin42> hmm got my 1st 'we use cookies' warning
[11:20] <ali1234> i got one yesterday by email
[11:21] <ali1234> email!
[11:23] <dwatkins> I got one from Rapid Electronics.
[11:23] <ali1234> yes me too :)
[11:25] <dwatkins> haha, and Domino's
[11:58] <bigcalm> Bored of coding
[11:58]  * bigcalm pokes popey with mc
[12:01] <popey> yo
[13:42] <StevenR_> Awesome. I walked two miles in wonderful leafy sunshine. I bought a printer. I walked two miles home, carrying the printer. I plugged the printer in, connected it to my precise laptop, and clicked next a few times, and now I have a lovely printer test page.
[13:43] <StevenR_> from my previous dealings with printers (on any and all OSes), I expected this process to suck more.
[13:46] <popey> Printers are devices for causing pain.
[13:46] <popey> They also sometimes print stuff.
[13:47] <ali1234> printers lol
[13:48] <Seeker`> people still print things?
[13:48] <Seeker`> other than circuit boards
[13:48] <StevenR_> popey: yes. The good part of being a network specialist, is that if I can ping the printer, my work is done.
[13:48] <Azelphur> printers?
[14:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:01] <popey> yo czajkowski
[16:50] <czajkowski> popey having a good wrekend ?
[16:50] <czajkowski> weekend even
[17:09] <gord> eurovision night \o/
[17:14]  * Darael screams and runs away, cowering under a sofa.
[17:21] <penguin42> heck, 381MB of upgrades to Precise in the last week?
[17:26] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: you don't like it? go install Windows!  ;)
[17:27] <SuperEngineer> ..count your MB in GB
[17:27] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Oh I'm ok with it, it's just unusual
[17:28] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: for what it's worth - I updated 4 Ubuntu systems this week in less time than one windoze sys
[17:29] <penguin42> oh I've never had Windows systems at home, and haven't used any at work for a few years
[17:33] <dogmatic69> Vista service pack 1 back in the day was 1.something gigs
[17:44]  * SuperEngineer is choosing between vallium, suicide or putting a hammer through the the tv.... anything to avoid eurovision
[17:46] <popey> penguin42: yes including my very first package update to unity and bamf! :D
[17:47] <penguin42> popey: How long did you sweat on it before doing the commit ?
[17:48] <popey> far too long! :D
[17:48] <popey> next week its lenses
[17:48] <penguin42> :-)
[17:48] <popey> my team have taken over releases of unity, bamf, dee, libunity etc
[17:49] <popey> nice to get the gimp fix out
[17:49] <penguin42> what was up with that?
[17:49] <popey> of course we're just packaging the fixes everyone else does, and don't do the actual fixes ourselves
[17:49] <popey> bamf isn't perfect
[17:49] <popey> especially with multi-window apps like gimp
[17:49] <popey> glad to see upstream have fixed that by making single window gimp ;)
[17:50] <penguin42> yeh, pity that missed PP - I must give it a go
[17:50] <popey> yeah, guess we can get it in a backport
[17:50] <popey> once it hits quantal
[17:50] <Daviey> popey: is your team the new Didler?
[17:50]  * popey hugs Laney
[17:50] <popey> yes
[17:51] <Daviey> super
[17:52] <ali1234> single window gimp is not as good as it sounds
[17:52] <ali1234> you might have expected MDI, but no
[17:52] <ali1234> it uses tabs so you can't look at two images side by side
[17:52] <penguin42> your gimp doesn't like being trapped in a single window?
[17:52] <popey> erk
[17:52] <ali1234> it's probably the weirdest thing i've ever seen
[17:52] <popey> you cant open in a new window?
[17:52] <penguin42> ali1234: Doesn't let you tear a tab off?
[17:52] <ali1234> no and no
[17:53] <popey> wow
[17:53] <popey> thats demented
[17:53] <popey> almost worse
[17:53] <ali1234> it's like they implemented single window in the worst possible way just so they could later drop it because "nobody uses it"
[17:54] <Daviey> I *really* wish they'd review the name of it.
[17:55] <popey> fork it :D
[17:55] <Daviey> go fork yourself. :)
[17:55] <penguin42> Daviey: Yeh, it's really difficult to google for instructions on using the mask feature
[17:55] <popey> best offer I've had all day
[17:55] <popey> zoiks
[17:55] <popey> just tried that
[17:55] <Daviey> popey: hah
[17:56] <Daviey> "gimp mask feature" .. first 3 hits for me are accurate :)
[17:59] <ali1234> gimp masks lol
[18:00] <ali1234> gimp doesn't support using a path as a mask
[18:00] <ali1234> that really sucks
[18:00] <ali1234> also it doesn't support adjustment layers
[18:01] <ali1234> nor smart objects for that matter... they're not as useful though
[18:02] <ali1234> the thing about the name is... if it had a better name, people would expect it to be actually good
[19:18] <Laney> my god
[19:19] <penguin42> yes?
[19:23] <Laney> #thehump
[19:24] <penguin42> oh
[19:24] <ali1234> my money is on spain after they said they didn't want to win
[19:25] <ali1234> i can see trolls all over europe voting for them just to try to bankrupt the country
[19:25] <penguin42> yeh that's being suggested everywhere
[19:25] <ali1234> of course it could have been the most amazing piece of reverse psychology
[19:27] <SuperEngineer> my money is on Greece
[19:27] <SuperEngineer>  - and LLoyds - and RBS - Nothern Rock
[19:27] <SuperEngineer> please don't tell me we've turned into Ubuntu-Eurovsion.. please... please... please
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntuvision?
[19:27]  * MartijnVdS is watching NED-BUL
[19:27] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: When do you sing?
[19:27] <ali1234> what's a NED-BUL?
[19:28]  * SuperEngineer is singing now
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: ball of feet
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: pre-EC "trial" football match
[19:33] <MarquessDeBonBon> Anybody else watching Eurovision?
[19:33] <MarquessDeBonBon> Russian grannies are on right now.
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> I prefer good music :P
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: if football translates as ball of feet... I love to hear NED->UK for basketball ;)
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: nah football translates as voetbal :)
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: and basketball we don't bother to translate
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: ooo - cutting!
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: nah, practical reasons -- we speak English well enough
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korfball already took the proper translated name
[19:36] <MarquessDeBonBon> Baskjetbjall.
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: no Dutch != Swedish
[19:38] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: most other nations speak Enlish better than [some] English peeps I know ;)
[19:39] <MarquessDeBonBon> SuperEngineer: apart from Americans.
[19:39] <MarquessDeBonBon> English is spoken in the US as if it's their fifth language which they only use when talking to their elderly grandma at weddings and Christmas.
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: Americans speak a horrible version of English :)
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> MarquessDeBonBon: that's because they think england is just a cute little American airbase
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: they're wrong, that's Scotland
[19:41]  * SuperEngineer giggles
[19:42] <MarquessDeBonBon> And Wales is where Pot Noodle is mined.
[19:45] <SuperEngineer> MarquessDeBonBon: you should see Gloucestershire.... we've got treacle mines!
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: http://wiki.openttd.org/Climate#Toyland ?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: toffee quarries as well?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> Cola wells?
[19:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> Little known fact: Gloucestershire is pronounced "Gloostershire".
[19:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> True story.
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> Plastic fountains?
[19:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> I literally do not know where Gloucestershire is.
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: it's pronounced "Here be dragons"
[19:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> Is it in the north?
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> no
[19:46]  * MarquessDeBonBon opens up maps.google.com
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> I tried typing it into google maps
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> but I mistyped it as "Gloucestershite"
[19:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> Well fuck me, it's almost in Wales.
[19:47] <SuperEngineer> try slightly north of Bristol up the M%
[19:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> That's why I didn't know where it was.
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> !language
[19:47] <SuperEngineer> ...& we are not welsh
[19:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> The whole east of the UK is "here be dragons" for me.
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: Welsh dragons
[19:47] <MarquessDeBonBon> Well
[19:48] <SuperEngineer> MarquessDeBonBon: & the west,apparently
[19:48] <MarquessDeBonBon> Anywhere that isn't the Home Counties, Greater London or Essex is "here be dragons" on my mental map.
[19:48] <MarquessDeBonBon> Scotland is like...Discworld.
[19:48] <MarquessDeBonBon> Except the turtles are alcoholic wifebeaters.
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> MarquessDeBonBon: Midlands? Yorkshire?
[19:48] <MarquessDeBonBon> Never been there.
[19:49] <MarquessDeBonBon> My strategy for when I find myself outside the HCs or London: "Get to St. Pancras".
[19:51] <SuperEngineer> MarquessDeBonBon: are you sure that's not St. Pancreas?
[19:51] <MarquessDeBonBon> I call it St. Pancreas.
[20:12] <MarquessDeBonBon> Damn...this Danish chick is hot.
[20:25] <daubers> Evening
[20:29] <Laney> turkey so far tbh
[20:33] <ali1234> why do javascript developers use so many anonymous functions?
[20:33] <ali1234> it makes the scoping really difficult to figure out
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> because they hate you
[20:34] <ali1234> :(
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: don't worry, there's http://i.imgur.com/oH16b.jpg
[20:35] <ali1234> :C
[20:44] <DJones> Laney: When did C3PO get a twin and learn to sing?
[20:45] <Laney> for small "learn"
[20:46] <Laney> it's catchy :$
[20:46] <Laney> i like it :(
[21:16] <cocoa117> anyone here using Intel DQ67SW mobo?
[21:31] <MarquessDeBonBon> cocoa117: what's the issue?
[21:34]  * AlanBell wonders if it is too late for cake
[21:34] <brobostigon> always time for cake, :)
[21:39] <popey> why is http://www.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7343176.stm the 2nd most popular video on bbc now
[21:40]  * brobostigon wonders, what people would vote for, in eurovision.
[21:41] <popey> i have managed to avoid every single eurovision song and programme
[21:42] <brobostigon> good idea.
[21:42] <brobostigon> i did fnd, 1, maybe two songs, that were any good.
[21:46] <AlanBell> it *was* time for cake. Chocolate Guinness cake.
[21:46] <brobostigon> sounds yummy.
[22:29] <penguin42> talking of cake; this is incredible: http://io9.com/5913308/this-tim-burton-zoetrope-cake-is-way-too-nifty-to-eat


[00:21] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Kees Cook: security things in Linux v5.2 @ https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2019/07/17/security-things-in-linux-v5-2/
[12:08] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Canonical Design Team: How to build a lightweight system container cluster @ https://admin.insights.ubuntu.com/2019/07/18/how-to-build-a-lightweight-system-container-cluster/
[12:08] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Canonical Design Team: Handy snapcraft features: Remote build @ https://admin.insights.ubuntu.com/2019/07/18/handy-snapcraft-features-remote-build/
[12:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Raphaël Hertzog: Freexian’s report about Debian Long Term Support, June 2019 @ https://raphaelhertzog.com/2019/07/18/freexians-report-about-debian-long-term-support-june-2019/
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[22:17] <guiverc> Wild_Man, I'd expected the 18.10 EOL notice by now; it's still thursday london time so I'll wait, but if you want me to chase up notice - let me know  (I had to for 14.04)


[14:03] <invultri> Hi, was the software finder application removed in the latest version ?
[17:26] <xubuntu69d> Hi
[20:16] <CoolLinuxUser> hello


[01:22] <Jordan_U> !password
[01:22] <IdleOne> Heya Jordan_U
[01:22] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: Sorry, mistyped #ubuntu-bots :)
[01:23] <IdleOne> hehe no problem
[01:36] <elky> club trolls, including their dear leader, are currently paying attentions to -women. please keep on the lookout and report any PM attempts here.
[01:59] <elky> club is persistantly trolling -women now
[01:59] <maco> elky: those 3 users currently in there whom i do not recognise?
[01:59] <elky> I'd guess so
[02:00] <elky> they're a creepy bunch too, so they'll be watchign the logs for here.
[02:05] <elky> ikonia, ping?
[02:29] <elky> If someone sees genii around, ask him what the hell is going on.
[02:35] <elky> nhandler, out of curiosity, are you in the club channel?
[02:35] <nhandler> elky: No. I was actually about to join and idle in there after your last comments (but then my internet connection dropped)
[02:36] <elky> nhandler, ok thanks.
[02:36] <elky> I've had numerous of them who are not in -women PMing me also.
[03:14] <Amaranth> elky: I am
[05:31]  * nhandler is talking to IndiGod
[07:35] <elky> Amaranth, still up?
[07:50] <elky> nevermind
[10:44] <ikonia> elky: pong
[12:13] <mahen23> i need some ops help in #diaspora
[12:16] <Amaranth> Err
[12:19] <EOF> yo
[12:21] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[12:25] <EOF> voice me :)
[12:28] <Seeker`> why would we do that?
[12:29] <EOF> i don't know, it's probably a bad idea
[12:30] <EOF> but so is a movie about 15-year-old moms with superpowers, but it exists
[12:31] <topyli> EOF, need any help from the operators then?
[12:32] <EOF> hmm
[12:32] <Seeker`> so, now you've determined that giving you +v would be a bad idea, is there anything else we can help you with?
[12:32] <topyli> heh
[12:32] <EOF> ( ) <<i just wanted to hug you guys
[12:32] <EOF> and leave you with a loop
[12:33] <EOF> SLEEP:
[12:33] <EOF> GOTO SLEEP
[12:33] <Seeker`> thanks. Seeya.
[12:35] <Seeker`> EOF: I thought you were leaving us?
[12:35] <EOF> no
[12:35] <Seeker`> -11:32:53- :EOF : and leave you with a loop
[12:35] <EOF> i was leaving you *with*
[12:35] <EOF> as in give
[12:35] <Seeker`> that implies some sort of leaving on your part
[12:36] <EOF> and pinging me back here simply made me renotice this cannel out of qite a few
[12:36] <Seeker`> there was a point in that. Please read the topic
[12:37] <EOF> i think that there should be an ubuntu LXDE live and install media
[12:37] <Seeker`> yeah, not really on topic for here. If there isn't anything we can help you with, please /part this channel
[12:37] <EOF> compiz is for people with ADD
[12:38] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[12:38] <EOF> lol
[12:38] <EOF> sorry guys
[12:38] <EOF> i'm not usually drunk at 7AM
[12:38] <EOF> but it's one of those nights
[12:38] <Seeker`> do you know what will make it better? typing /part
[12:40] <Seeker`> EOF: you leaving?
[12:40] <EOF> well
[12:40] <EOF> i rarely ever *leave* a channel
[12:40] <Seeker`> !ops | EOF
[12:40] <EOF> i just *leave* it open
[12:41] <Gary> EOF: please read the channel topic again
[12:41] <EOF> you just keep saying my name
[12:41] <EOF> and i have to reply as a good summaritan
[12:41] <Seeker`> Gary: just kick him :P
[12:41] <EOF> adn wow, you guys are bored
[12:42] <Gary> EOF: we run a no-idle policy here
[12:42] <Seeker`> ty
[12:43] <lhavelund> heh
[12:43] <lhavelund> "requested by Gary (EOF)"
[12:43] <lhavelund> how appropriate.
[12:44] <Gary> of more fun was my comment to ubottu - <Gary> @comment 28836 no idle policy, user was drunk
[12:44] <lhavelund> heh
[12:44]  * lhavelund leaps at Gary
[12:44] <Seeker`> I don't believe he was
[12:45] <Seeker`> just an excuse
[12:45] <Seeker`> he was probably 10
[12:45] <lhavelund> his reasons aren't really relevant :p
[12:45] <lhavelund> I'm wondering why I'm not packing up and going home right now.
[12:47] <lhavelund> 61
[14:22] <bazhang> yikes
[14:23] <Pici> <.<
[14:34] <bazhang> ugh. the "its the same in development and stable version" has begun
[16:43] <AbhiJit> hello
[16:43] <AbhiJit> what is our policy for advertisement?
[16:43] <AbhiJit> in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[16:44] <AbhiJit> i dont want to compalint. but i just come to know you that one user advertised just a commercial product there to me in pm. nothing wrong in it. product is great. but i just wanted you to know. is that ok to advertise like that?
[16:45] <jpds> Spam is spam.
[16:46] <Pici> AbhiJit: Can you paste here what was advertized and who it was from?
[16:46] <jpds> It sometimes comes in a can.
[16:46] <AbhiJit> Pici, jpds but you dont tell him my name.
[16:46] <AbhiJit> i paste it wait
[16:46] <Pici> AbhiJit: Thats fine, we won't.
[16:47] <AbhiJit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/501574/
[16:48] <AbhiJit> i dont want to hurt him or to scare him. just go smoothly with him Pici jpds
[16:49] <jpds> AbhiJit: Best thing to do in those cases is just /ignore the person.
[16:49] <AbhiJit> jpds, yah
[16:49] <ikonia> not really advertising
[16:49] <AbhiJit> i see
[16:49] <AbhiJit> may be
[16:50] <AbhiJit> actually its in pm thats why i suspected its advertise.
[16:50] <AbhiJit> and i dont know that user
[16:50] <ikonia> looks like he's just responding to your comment of I want to develop linux apps
[16:50] <jpds> Going from Java to "REAL Basic" is just like... woah.
[16:50] <ikonia> "here have you tried this - it's free"
[16:50] <AbhiJit> yah
[16:50] <AbhiJit> its not free actually. 30 day trial
[16:53] <AbhiJit> ok
[16:54] <AbhiJit> may i go?
[16:56] <ikonia> please
[16:56] <AbhiJit> :)
[16:56] <AbhiJit> ok
[18:34] <maco> oh jeez... a vorian impersonator now
[18:59] <Pici> lawl
[20:32] <Pici> He did the same thing in -offtopic.
[22:35] <ikonia> Gogi: hello
[22:37] <ikonia> Gogi: can we help you today ?
[22:39] <ikonia> Gogi: I can see you active in #ubuntu - can we help you with anything here in #ubuntu-ops
[22:39] <Gogi> my finger print sensor is not working on ubuntu.what to do?
[22:39] <Gogi> n greetings to you
[22:40] <ikonia> Gogi: this channel is not a support channel, is the operator (admin) channel for the ubuntu core irc channels
[22:40] <Gogi> then what can i ask here?
[22:40] <ikonia> Gogi: why did you join this channel
[22:41] <Gogi> my wlan was not working so i was chatting on support channel there they gave me this link
[22:42] <ikonia> Gogi: ok, they gave you the wrong link, this channel is for administration/abuse issues in the ubuntu channels
[22:43] <Gogi> oops.i am stupid.well please pardon me
[22:43] <ikonia> not a problem
[22:43] <ikonia> Gogi: always good check a channel topic with the "/topic" command
[22:44] <Gogi> but can tell which type of question can i ask at this channel
[22:45] <Gogi> ok i got
[22:45] <ikonia> Gogi: check the topic
[22:45] <Gogi> thanks for your assistance.
[22:45] <Gogi> have a great time.
[23:17] <cyberspace1> hi?
[23:17] <ikonia> hello cyberspace1
[23:18] <cyberspace1> it's my second time on irc
[23:18] <ikonia> ok
[23:18] <cyberspace1> i'm wondering about a few details
[23:18] <ikonia> ok, how can we help
[23:19] <cyberspace1> if i type the first letters of your name and hit tab, the rest of your name shows up
[23:19] <ikonia> ok
[23:19] <cyberspace1> in this mode, if i send you a message,
[23:19] <cyberspace1> do you get a notification?
[23:20] <cyberspace1> like :
[23:20] <ikonia> cyberspace1: you may want to ask in #freenode for irc basic help
[23:20] <cyberspace1> ikonia, 1try?
[23:20] <ikonia> cyberspace1: this channel is really for only dealing with issues to do with the ubuntu channels
[23:20] <cyberspace1> i see
[23:20] <ikonia> #freenode is general IRC/network help/support
[23:20] <cyberspace1> i'm going to look for freenode
[23:21] <ikonia> just join the channel #freenode
[23:21] <cyberspace1> ok
[23:21] <cyberspace1> thanks
[23:22] <cyberspace1> freenode is quiet
[23:23] <ikonia> you're not in #freenode
[23:50] <cyberspace1> ikonia, i was in freenode-unreg
[23:50] <cyberspace1> but i got the answer


[12:06] <jabra> anyone able to review a package
[12:06] <jabra> that has some time now?
[12:06] <tseng> put it on MOTUTodo please
[12:10] <jabra> well it is on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview
[12:10] <tseng> yes
[12:10] <tseng> great.
[12:16] <jabra> tseng: could you review it? my package is radmind
[12:17] <tseng> is there a reason you put yours ahead of everyone elses
[12:18] <jabra> no I figured that it should be added to the top of the list ?
[12:18] <tseng> they are ordered by date
[12:18] <jabra> or should it be the bottom?
[12:18] <jabra> o ok then let me fix it then
[12:19] <tseng> first thing to fix, you dont need to patch the makefile to install a manpage
[12:20] <tseng> you can use debian/manpages from debhelper
[12:20] <tseng> if you do want to patch files in the future, use dpatch, changes in diff.gz should only be for debian/
[12:20] <jabra> ok
[12:21] <tseng> likewise the manpage should be in debian/
[12:21] <tseng> until its merged upstream
[12:22] <tseng> you should definately not have stuff in there for config.sub
[12:23] <tseng> and all that autotools crud
[12:25] <tseng> 80% of your diff.gz is extraneous crap, did you not make clean at some point?
[12:25] <tseng> anyway make the fixes I said, and cp debian/ into a clean source tree
[12:25] <tseng> and rebuild the package
[12:25] <jabra> ok
[12:25] <tseng> off to walk the dog.
[12:25] <jabra> I def didn't cp the debian/
[12:25] <tseng> no
[12:26] <tseng> thats what you have to do to remove this crap
[12:26] <jabra> o ok that is easy enough
[12:26] <tseng> unpack the tarball fresh and cp debian
[12:26] <tseng> to get a clean diff
[12:26] <jabra> o ok cool so start from scratch with my tweaks in debian/
[12:26] <jabra> that will fix all the problems?
[12:26] <tseng> yes
[12:27] <tseng> well, this problem
[12:27] <jabra> cool so are you going to be around later
[12:27] <tseng> your build-depends looks awfully short, no idea if its acurate
[12:27] <tseng> maybe.
[12:27] <jabra> ok I will ping you
[12:27] <tseng> ping the channel.
[12:27] <jabra> should be done after I get home
[12:28] <jabra> k
[01:44] <jabra> tseng: ok I repackaged it and add the manpage properly
[01:45] <jabra> let me know what else if anything I need to fix
[01:45] <tseng> you need 2 other people to look at it
[02:12] <jabra> 2 other people? don't I need 3 for new packages and 1 for already build packages
[02:25] <tseng> jabra: yes? 1 + 2 = 3
[02:27] <jabra> maybe I misunderstood
[02:28] <jabra> but it looks acceptable to you?
[03:14] <tseng> I gave you my comments, go to your next person
[03:14] <tseng> im so tired
[03:15] <jabra> thanks
[03:20] <ajmitch_> gah, already bugs in malone asking for mono apps to be built for amd64 now
[03:20] <tseng> um
[03:21] <tseng> annoying
[03:22] <jabra> anyone know how good the support for the alpha is for ubuntu
[03:22] <mjr> jabra, umm, nonexistant?
[03:22] <tseng> there is none
[03:23] <jabra> thought there was but it was  unofficial
[03:23] <tseng> if you can confuse alpha with sparc or ia64
[03:23] <jabra> no
[03:23] <tseng> yes
[03:23] <jabra> maybe
[03:24] <jabra> no I had definatly had read that alpha was unoffically supported
[03:24] <jabra> wait it was sparc
[03:25] <tseng> sigh.
[03:25] <jabra> nm
[10:17] <GheRivero> res
[10:25] <p0m> Helllo netsplit.
[10:30] <Treenaks_> p0m: freenode is worse than darker sometimes ;)
[10:30] <p0m> Treenaks_: To be honest, I'd say darker's stabler ;)
[10:31] <Nafallo> morning all
[11:14] <GheRivero> res
[12:26] <\sh> morning guys
[03:49] <emmanuel> Hi.
[03:50] <emmanuel> How do we report a bug against an universe package ?
[03:51] <\sh> malone
[03:51] <tritium_> emmanuel, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[03:51] <emmanuel> Ok. Thanks.
[03:59] <tritium_> Hi tseng|work
[04:02] <tseng|work> hi tritium, ogra
[04:02] <ogra> hey tseng|work
[04:02] <tritium_> hi ogra
[04:04] <Mithrandir> hi tseng, ogra, tritium_
[04:04] <tritium_> Hello, Mithrandir :)
[04:04] <tseng|work> hi :D
[04:04] <tseng|work> how is your firefox
[04:05] <Mithrandir> he's fine.  Got a keyring and all
[04:05] <Mithrandir> and he's Karianne's, not mine, really
[04:06] <tseng|work> of course
[04:07] <ogra> hmm, no libgtk-cil on amd64 yet....
[04:08] <tseng|work> libgtk-cil was reject
[04:08] <tseng|work> libgtk2-cil ftbfs for now
[04:08] <tseng|work> needs libgda transition
[04:09] <tseng|work> i went in the keyring this morning, so ill try and get the rejected stuff fixed
[04:09] <tseng|work> it got wonky when aj tried to resign it
[04:09] <tseng|work> ogra: most of the stuff is arch all or any, just needs a quick repack
[04:10] <tseng|work> what happens when you try to install it?
[04:10] <ogra> yeah, that what i thought
[04:10] <tseng|work> it used to fail on no mono-jit or mono-mint available
[04:10] <tseng|work> what happens now?
[04:10] <ogra> E: Package libgtk-cil has no installation candidate
[04:10] <tseng|work> huh
[04:11] <ogra> Package libgtk-cil is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:11] <tseng|work> ok, we'll see what happens on the next build, since mono is installable on the buildd now
[04:12] <tseng|work> can you install.. libgecko2-cil ?
[04:12] <ogra> E: Couldn't find package libgecko2-cil
[04:12] <ogra> not yet....
[04:13] <ogra> but there is already a lot of mono stuff in the archive
[04:13] <tseng|work> yes
[04:13] <tseng|work> bwar gecko has the libgda problem also
[04:13] <ogra> so i'll wait in patience .... or help testing where i can
[04:13] <tseng|work> thanks dude
[04:46] <thully> hi - is this where I request packages for breezy's universe/multiverse?
[05:10] <zul> hey ogra
[05:10] <ogra> hi zul
[05:12] <thully> hi - where do I request additions to universe/multiverse?  I'm interested in some extra gstreamer plugins/some apps compiled with AAC support
[05:12] <ogra> thully, UniverseCandidates on the wiki for now
[05:13] <thully> OK - I'm unable to package them (in fact I'm running Hoary now for stability purposes) but I'd like to see them in the next release if possible
[05:13] <thully> also - is that for multiverse as well?
[05:13] <ogra> depends on the license, i'm not sure about AAC
[05:13] <ogra> yep
[05:14] <thully> I think AAC must be OK, since faad and faac are already in multiverse
[05:14] <thully> Just not the gstreamer plugins - same with lame
[05:15] <ogra> ah, ok....just put it on the wikipage
[05:16] <thully> I guess the gstreamer stuff is already up there (I think I requested it a long time ago, and it somehow made it up there) - I'll just add gtkpod-aac up there
[05:17] <thully> Also, do you think pymusique is reasonable for multiverse, or is there too many problems with that (issues with the iTunes EULA mostly)
[05:18] <ogra> hmm, no idea...
[05:18] <ogra> ...probably something to ask a lawyer about
[05:18] <thully> OK - never mind with that one
[05:25] <thully> maybe I'll put it up there and note any possible issues with packaging it
[05:26] <tritium_> thully, you'll have to sing the Ohio State fight song before we package it ;)
[05:27] <tritium_> nah, just kidding :)
[06:13] <abelli> ciao
[06:13] <abelli> ogra: ding
[06:16] <ivoks> hi
[06:31] <GheRivero> res
[06:35] <ivoks> i have three packages for universe if that's ok?
[06:35] <ivoks> quodlibet, quodlibet-ext and python-flac
[06:36] <ivoks> quodlibet is music player, something like rhythmbox
[06:42] <ivoks> http://master.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu is URL if anyone interested
[06:43] <ogra> ivoks, put it on the wiki please... on the "to review" page
[06:44] <ivoks> ok
[06:56] <ivoks> ok, bye guys...
[07:18] <Mithrandir> tseng: hm, how's beagle coming along?
[07:25] <bddebian> Hello
[07:27] <tritium_> hi bddebian
[07:27] <bddebian> Howdy tritium_!  How are you today?
[07:28] <tritium_> Pretty good, thanks.  How about you, bddebian ?
[07:28] <abelli> ciao
[07:28] <abelli> ogra: re-ding, im sorry.
[07:28] <bddebian> tritium_: Not too bad, thanks
[07:29] <tritium_> Good.
[07:35] <jon1012> helllo
[07:35] <jon1012> I'm an applicatio developper, and would like to find someone kind enough to package my app for ubuntu :)
[07:35] <jon1012> I'm the Appliworks (http://appliworks.jondesign.net) maintainer
[07:37] <bddebian> Hello jon1012
[07:37] <jon1012> hi bddebian
[07:38] <jon1012> bddebian: do you know someone who can be interested in doing it ?
[07:39] <hunger> Is there any best practice on when to use which log_* in the start/stop scripts?
[07:39] <bddebian> jon1012: I would say I would eventually but I am not an MOTU "yet" and I'm bogged at my "real" job right now.. :-(
[07:40] <jon1012> bddebian: maybe you can do package some day and ask someone to include them in universe ?
[07:40] <jon1012> bddebian: it's not urgent at all
[07:40] <jon1012> bddebian: it's just that a lot of users have ubuntu... and having them recompile it is really a pain :(
[07:41] <jon1012> hunger: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=836
[07:42] <hunger> Oh... its gnome:-(
[07:42] <jon1012> yeah gnome
[07:42] <jon1012> everything with gnome-vfs (net transparent), and DND, and bonobo lol...
[07:43] <ogra> jon1012, put it on the UniverseCandidates wikipage
[07:43] <ogra> abelli, dong ?
[07:43] <abelli> ogra: bonne jour mon ami.
[07:43] <bddebian> ogra: hehe
[07:43] <abelli> ogra: how is life? how was udu?
[07:43] <jon1012> ogra: tu es francais ?
[07:43] <ogra> jon1012, non
[07:43] <hunger> How can I find out who maintains a deb in universe?
[07:43] <jon1012> abelli: you have to say "bonjour mon ami" ;)
[07:43] <ogra> jon1012, je suis allemand
[07:44] <jon1012> ogra: oh ok
[07:44] <jon1012> ogra: what are the universecandidates wiki pages ?
[07:44] <abelli> jon1012: ou la la.
[07:44] <jon1012> ogra: I don't use ubuntu anymore
[07:44] <abelli> ogra: have you received those bothering emails by me?
[07:44] <ogra> abelli, udu was heavy work .... mataro was a boy scout camp in comparison
[07:44] <abelli> jon1012: bad ..
[07:44] <abelli> ogra: grrr :)
[07:45] <jon1012> abelli: I'm a member of the foresight linux team ;)
[07:45] <ogra> jon1012, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[07:45] <abelli> ogra: cmon dude, mataro was special .. i was there.
[07:45] <jon1012> abelli: but a lot of users have ubuntu, so I ask for an ubuntu package for appliworks lol
[07:45] <jon1012> ogra: thanks :)
[07:45] <ogra> abelli, but not as much work at all....
[07:46] <Nafallo> ogra: and the picture with you and mvo in the pool? ;-)
[07:46] <abelli> ok ill be back in 15 minutes ..
[07:46] <abelli> ogra: did you check ubm, ubuntu boot manager?
[07:47] <ogra> Nafallo, that was the first day...
[07:47] <jon1012> ogra: I don't have an account on the ubuntu wiki, could you add it ? (I would be very happy if you could :))
[07:47] <ogra> jon1012, ok, i put it on my todo list
[07:48] <jon1012> ogra: thank you really much
[07:48] <Nafallo> ogra: I'm still jealous :-P
[07:49] <jon1012> (even if ubuntu is nice)
[07:49] <ogra> jon1012, why did you drop it ?
[07:49] <jon1012> (but apt-get beurk, conary is really better)
[07:49] <jon1012> bwah, I'm a Foresight Desktop Linux guy...
[07:49] <jon1012> I work a lot on this distro now :)
[07:49] <jon1012> (I'm a member of the team)
[07:50] <jon1012> since conary is a great package managing system
[07:50] <jon1012> ogra: http://www.foresightlinux.com
[07:50] <jabra> ogra: could you review my radmind package
[07:50] <ogra> abelli, put ubm on UniverseCandidates ....
[07:51] <jon1012> for example with debian packages it takes hour to make packages, review them etc... with conary in 5 minutes a recipe (this is how we call the packages sources) is made and added in the repos. if it's accepted
[07:52] <ogra> jabra, i go through the to review wiki page regulary... so i will indeed eventually do it :)
[07:52] <jon1012> (I'm Jonathan Schemoul, the art director and gnome devel. of foresight linux)
[07:53] <ogra> jon1012, how do you guys handle the apple patent issues with howl ?
[07:54] <jon1012> ogra: well... for the moment we don't really know, but it will probably be passed in our extra european repositories loool
[07:54] <jon1012> ogra: just like mp3 support and things like this
[07:54] <ogra> hmmm
[07:54] <ogra> http://www.foresightlinux.com/screenshots/index.php?image=xlock.png
[07:55] <jon1012> ogra: yeah a lot of users asked us something like this... we have worked a lot on it, and we even have round password stuff
[07:55] <jabra> ogra: cool thanks
[07:56] <ogra> you have worked a lot on what ?
[07:57] <jon1012> on the xscreensaver stuff
[07:58] <ogra> could elaborate on that ? what exactly did you do, except changing the logo and colors
[07:58] <jon1012> because the password where appearing as squares at first, so we worked to made it appear as round
[07:58] <jon1012> and also yeah to put the colors and all
[07:59] <jon1012> I am not the guy who made the C coding for this, but I'm the logo creator, so I did the xpm stuff
[07:59] <jon1012> ogra: however thank you ubuntu guys forthe xlock work you did
[07:59] <ogra> youre welcome, it was my patch
[08:00] <abelli> jon1012: i was behing ogra, when he done that.
[08:00] <abelli> :)
[08:00] <jon1012> oh thank you really much then
[08:00] <abelli> s/done/did
[08:00] <jon1012> ogra: if you want we have our modifications on the conary repositories, a simple cvc co xscreensaver could give you the sourcecodes
[08:01] <abelli> well, i actually have a photo of him and mark working on the design.
[08:01] <ogra> jon1012, nope, no need for that... this patch will die in ubuntu for breezy.... we'll have a cooler solution by then
[08:02] <jon1012> ogra: maybe we could work together on it... (I mean the person in the foresight team working on it and you)
[08:03] <ogra> keep it and spread it as you like ;) if he has questions he can mail me...
[08:03] <jon1012> thanks :)
[08:03] <ogra> but beware, it wont work with the next upstream update anymore, upstream made to many changes in this code
[08:03] <jon1012> ogra: have you done the patches to make it appear as round stuff instead of squares in ubuntu ?
[08:04] <jon1012> (in foresight, xiaowen, the girl who was in charge of it, worked for hours to find the solution, and finally our xscreensaver is now working correctly)
[08:04] <ogra> yep, but you need a fully utf8 aware system and the right font for that, so the patch as it is can only work on a system configured like hoary...
[08:05] <jon1012> oh ok :)
[08:05] <jon1012> so that's why it didn't work directly, and now after our patches it works :)
[08:05] <ogra> good
[08:06] <jon1012> ogra: have you received the mails from Ken Vandine about your patch ? he told me he sent you some mails about it
[08:08] <ogra> ah, yes, he sent one in the beginning of may... i somehow missed it, sorry....
[08:11] <hunger> How do I find out whom to contact about a universe deb?
[08:11] <jon1012> ogra: I don't think he is angry :) no problem :)
[08:11] <abelli> hunger : sudo aptitude show packagename?
[08:11] <ogra> hunger, contact this channel
[08:11] <hunger> abelli: That is the debian maintainer.
[08:12] <hunger> ogra: So who is responsible for cryptsetup?
[08:12] <ogra> hunger, all motus care for all universe packages more or less...
[08:12] <abelli> hunger: right. what do you want to know?
[08:12] <abelli> hunger: ahh right.
[08:12] <ogra> hunger, some have favorites, but then the rest knows about it
[08:13] <hunger> abelli: I changed the initscript of that script and consider it to be better than what currently is there:-)
[08:13] <ogra> hunger, nobody... whats wrong with it ?
[08:13] <hunger> abelli: So I was wondering how to submit it for revision/inclusion.
[08:13] <abelli> hunger: why dont you contact the debian mantainer ..
[08:13] <ogra> it should be lsb-init clean
[08:13] <abelli> you will avoid work to motus
[08:13] <ogra> (your patch)
[08:14] <hunger> abelli: Because a) he does not respond and b) debian does not follow LSB.
[08:14] <hunger> ogra: lsb-init clean?
[08:14] <abelli> hunger: well ogra is surely more informed on facts than me.
[08:14] <ogra> yeah, follow the lsb ;)
[08:15] <hunger> ogra: Well, I can always sed s/log_blah_msg/echo/ ;-)
[08:15] <ogra> there are some standards for init scripts... they are used in all service start/stop scripts in main, but very rare in universe
[08:15] <abelli> ogra: right .. what about implementing in ubuntu the service status flag :)?
[08:16] <hunger> ogra: I noticed... and hated it;-)
[08:16] <abelli> fabio really had bad times with ub,
[08:16] <abelli> ..ubm
[08:16] <hunger> abelli: incidentally my cryptodisks supports "status";-)
[08:17] <abelli> hunger: just yours ... :(((
[08:17] <abelli> hunger: what is it all about.
[08:17] <hunger> abelli: Please look at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/563
[08:17] <hunger> abelli: I had assumed a wishlist bug was appropriate, only to find out that I can not attach files.
[08:18] <tseng|work> oh man malone is starting to look nice
[08:18] <abelli> hunger: right
[08:19] <Mithrandir> tseng|work: 19:18 < Mithrandir> tseng: hm, how's beagle coming along?
[08:19] <hunger> Is it meant to be a not too feature complete bug tracker? ;-)
[08:20] <tseng|work> Mithrandir: just need to push the updated deps into universe
[08:20] <tseng|work> Mithrandir: and its ready to go
[08:20] <tseng|work> it was in NEW for hoary, but we vetoed it
[08:20] <tseng|work> rampant memory leaks are teh suck
[08:21] <Mithrandir> tseng|work: ok; ETA of any kind?
[08:21] <tseng|work> alot of stuff should get done tonight
[08:21] <tseng|work> i cant promise beagle will be in it
[08:22] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks
[08:22] <tseng|work> the last outstanding issue is, aj uploaded some stuff for me and the sigs are messed up, now im getting md5 conflicts like some diff.gz's are still around
[08:22] <tseng|work> if I dont run into that again, or get that cleared up
[08:23] <tseng|work> and get libgda sorted...
[08:23] <tseng|work> blah
[08:23] <tseng|work> we might not get gtk-sharp
[08:25] <tseng|work> zomg
[08:25] <tseng|work> sucks dude, maybe not today at all
[09:38] <herve> evening
[09:39] <Nafallo> herve: evening :-)
[09:48] <\sh> anybody has a clue here what 37000 british pounds are in euro?
[09:50] <\sh> or is someone interessted to do php development in SW london for 37k pounds + bens? extreme programming experience is a ++
[09:50] <herve> \sh, yahoo finance
[09:50] <\sh> ah well
[09:50] <\sh> ca. 54k euro too less for london
[09:50] <Nafallo> http://daniel.haxx.se/currency/
[09:51] <\sh> so i have to say no...anybody up for it?
[09:52] <herve> england? no thanks :-)
[09:53] <\sh> herve: hehe...
[09:55] <herve> \sh, it's free of "taxes" ?
[09:55] <herve> I don't know the accoutancy term in Enlighs
[09:55] <\sh> herve: don't think so...I think i have to pay taxes in london then and in germany
[09:56] <herve> I don't think we're talking about the same taxes
[09:56] <herve> to roughly translate French terms, there are the "raw" wages and after the social loads
[09:58] <herve> because that's a nice salary, even enough to live in paris
[09:58] <\sh> herve: hmm...there is a tax law, if i'm right, that if I work in a foreign country, I have to stay at least one year there, then I don't need to pay my social and income tax here in germany
[09:58] <\sh> herve: in london u have to pay at least twice the price as in munich :)
[09:58] <herve> \sh, ho right, I just realised you're german, not english :-)
[09:59] <\sh> herve: I'm not proud of it, but's the truth :)
[10:00] <herve> i certainly hope you're kidding :-)
[10:01] <\sh> herve: well...I'm not proud to be a german :)
[10:02] <\sh> i will write my headhunter "sorry, no, not much for living in london" ;)
[10:02] <herve> \sh, you should, I'd like to be german if not french
[10:05] <\sh> herve: well, I only like "Goethe" and "Schiller" but the rest, forget about that :)
[10:05] <\sh> oh ok, prof. weizenbaum indeed i like too :)
[10:07] <\sh> einstein was more amerikan then german, wernher von braun was a nazibastard, even he brought the american into space ;)
[10:08] <herve> einstein was german?
[10:08] <\sh> sure he was
[10:08] <zul> uh yeah
[10:08] <GheRivero> rez
[10:09] <\sh> herve: u think he was swiss?
[10:09] <herve> \sh, sure he was from the east, from my point of view, but couldn't remember
[10:10] <herve> hi GheRivero
[10:10] <herve> \sh, yes I know he worked in zurich
[10:10] <zul> my father worked in kenya doesnt mean he was kenyan
[10:10] <\sh> herve: einstein was german, moved to zurich and than back to germany, and was being pushed to america cause of the nazis
[10:11] <herve> yes I remember now
[10:11] <\sh> in america he was accused to be a communist
[10:11] <herve> for the history: I never said he was swiss!
[10:11] <\sh> herve: nono :) i never said this :) but most of the people think he comes from switzerland ;)
[10:12] <\sh> herve: right now, 2005 == einsteinjahr (year of einstein) here in germany...:)
[10:12] <\sh> 2067 == wernher von braun year ;)
[10:13] <herve> there's a valuable typography heritage in germany
[10:13] <trulux> tritium: heya
[10:13] <trulux> tritium: my presentation for the LSM got accepted
[10:13] <trulux> tritium:
[10:13] <\sh> anyways...I have to choose between einstein or ratzinger.. einstein, the man who invented e=mc^2 or papa ratzi, formerly known as the german pope after 482 years ;)
[10:14] <herve> trulux, you come to the lsm ??
[10:14] <trulux> herve: A presentation of mine got accepted for the Security mini-conf
[10:14] <trulux> herve: if everything goes well, I'll do
[10:14] <herve> and we could meet :-)
[10:14] <trulux> I need to clarify some things, put up some clear stuff and we'll be done
[10:14] <trulux> herve: sure!!
[10:15] <trulux> sivang is not here :(
[10:15] <\sh> ok..g'night guys...have work to do at 4:00am in our office
[10:16] <herve> night
[10:16] <herve> I can understand
[10:16] <herve> i woke up at 5
[10:16] <trulux> \sh: sleep well
[10:16] <trulux> herve: shit...
[10:16] <herve> and spent half the day in trains
[10:17] <herve> trulux, I'll speak spanish :-p
[10:17] <trulux> herve: why?
[10:17] <herve> haven't done for so long
[10:17] <trulux> herve: hah, OK
[10:17] <trulux> but note that I need to clarify some things
[10:18] <trulux> I'm still not sure if I will be able to go
[10:18] <herve> i can't really help you for the accomodations
[10:18] <herve> but if you need to, i'll see what i can do
[10:19] <trulux> herve: I'll ask Axelle, she knows Serge Hallyn, who has worked with me and helped with many things, so, I may be able to get something
[10:19] <trulux> herve: thanks in advance
[10:26] <dholbach> hey
[10:29] <herve> hi dholbach
[10:29] <dholbach> hey herve
[10:36] <Nafallo> dholbach: hi there :-)
[10:37] <abelli> dholbach: im here
[10:38] <dholbach> abelli: even better
[10:38] <abelli> :)
[10:38] <abelli> dholbach: so that page is on the wiki?
[10:38] <dholbach> abelli: as i said: i'm terribly busy atm, have to finish my thesis in 3 months
[10:39] <dholbach> abelli: but if i find the time, i'd be happy to review your package or help you, if you run into trouble
[10:39] <dholbach> yes, wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <abelli> ok ..
[10:39] <abelli> thesis, what about?
[10:39] <abelli> dholbach: ill bother ogra .. no probs :)
[10:40] <dholbach> server and client library for storage of user preferences
[10:40] <abelli> but will you gain to get ubm in?
[10:40] <abelli> dholbach: what framework?
[10:40] <dholbach> gain?
[10:40] <dholbach> framework?
[10:41] <ogra> abelli, if its packaged ok, we'll get it in universe, dont worry
[10:41] <abelli> ogra: :))))))
[10:41] <abelli> dholbach: those libraries ..
[10:41] <herve> that reminds me, I'll ask for a review soon
[10:41] <abelli> dholbach: how do they work.
[10:42] <herve> that's the point of his thesis he hasn't written yet ;-)
[10:42] <dholbach> abelli: i wrote the server already and the library will make the requests to the server
[10:42] <abelli> c?
[10:43] <dholbach> the server is c++ and the library will be in C
[10:43] <abelli> gpl ? :)
[10:43] <dholbach> does somebody have the strange BUG that the screen turns blank every few seconds?
[10:44] <dholbach> *GRRR*
[10:44] <abelli> ogra: the problem is (im clearly joking, put your combat knife back .. im too young for it) .. when?
[10:44] <dholbach> and NO: the problem is not that i have a screensaver interval of 10 seconds
[10:44] <dholbach> yes, gpl and lgpl
[10:44] <herve> dholbach, check how your cable is connected
[10:45] <ogra> abelli, before breezy indeed....
[10:45] <abelli> ogra: :) which is tomorrow or the day after tomorrow ? :D
[10:45] <herve> abelli, you'll see
[10:45] <trulux> abelli: did you see the new photos on the antenna "indoor"?
[10:46] <abelli> trulux: i just got in because the frenchy .. is writing some emails ..
[10:46] <abelli> trulux: ive got the logs, and hopefully your mail .. ill do it .. thank you very much.
[10:46] <abelli> s/frenchy/my girl friend
[10:46] <trulux> abelli: frenchy? do you mean the girlie :)?
[10:46] <trulux> abelli: hah
[10:47] <trulux> abelli: my pleasure, I hope you good luck and fun with the antenna
[10:47] <abelli> trulux: don't worry ill be back to you soon, with antenna's, tarzan, monkeys, lions..
[10:47] <trulux> abelli: haha, no problem, bene!
[10:48] <trulux> ;)
[10:48] <abelli> we want to be anonymous .. because we have a mind .. and we want to be judged for what we are and not what we look like ... ;)
[10:49] <abelli> herve: mm i can't see since .. i think my hoary is stable enough .. im not going to do any upgrade.
[10:49] <abelli> even if .. if i want to bother trulux, pitti && company .. i need to have it running ..
[10:49] <abelli> trulux: qemu or uml?
[10:50] <trulux> abelli: VMWare ;P
[10:50] <abelli> never :)
[10:50] <trulux> bbl, dinner smelling damn good
[10:50] <abelli> trulux: buon appetito.
[10:50] <abelli> its quite late dude.
[10:53] <trulux> abelli: time has no meaning for me if there's no business at issue ;)
[10:53] <ajmitch_> hi all
[10:53] <abelli> trulux: soooo cooolllllll ...
[10:53] <abelli> ajmitch_: ciao
[10:53] <herve> hi ajmitch_
[10:54] <herve> yeah, so?
[10:54] <herve> :-)
[10:54] <ajmitch_> after installing ~2000 packages to go from sid->breezy
[10:54] <herve> okay, *that* is adventurous!
[10:55] <abelli> sid ? is it a virus?
[10:55] <abelli> illness?
[10:55] <ajmitch_> :)
[10:55] <ajmitch_> abelli: you're thinking of grumpy
[10:56] <herve> see you spoon
[11:01] <abelli> hey ppl, if someone will ever ask me "hey i want to package something for ubuntu, but i dont know what a .deb is" .. what should i say?
[11:01] <dholbach> abelli: so what we have on the wiki is PbuilderHowto - which is IMHO very good to start serious packaging
[11:01] <dholbach> and PackagingTips (which just note SOME hints)
[11:05] <ogra> abelli, additionally reading the debian new maintainer guide is very helpful
[11:06] <abelli> ogra: that is the base .. but .. what about .desktop ?
[11:06] <ogra> but we'll have our own guide soon
[11:06] <dholbach> .desktop is the same as in debian
[11:06] <abelli> dholbach: is it explained?
[11:06] <abelli> a mean in the mantainer's guide?
[11:07] <abelli> well .. i read it some yrs ago ..
[11:07] <abelli> i dont remember it.
[11:08] <dholbach> the .desktop stuff is a more recent invention :-)
[11:08] <abelli> in fact :)
[11:08] <abelli> i didnt want to break Gods' karma :)
[11:09] <dholbach> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[11:10] <ogra> you use dh_desktop to handle it ...
[11:11] <abelli> ok thank you .
[11:14] <dholbach> hey bur[n] er
[11:14] <dholbach> oops
[11:14] <dholbach> hey Burgundavia
[11:14] <dholbach> ;-)
[11:14] <Burgundavia> salut
[11:25] <tritium_> crimsun, do you use an irc proxy?
[11:26] <dholbach> hey tritium
[11:26] <tritium_> hi dholbach :)
[11:44] <crimsun> tritium_: a shell, usually.
[11:45] <tritium_> crimsun, how's that?
[11:45] <crimsun> tritium_: our users group (http://www.trilug.org) provides a free shell for its members
[11:45] <crimsun> it works out well
[11:46] <tritium_> crimsun, oh, okay
[11:46] <crimsun> we're #trilug on freenode; we also have the most members on biglumber
[11:46] <tritium_> thanks
[11:47] <tritium_> crimsun, I've been trying out irssi-text in combination with screen, but was thinking about trying ctrlproxy or something similar
[11:48] <crimsun> tritium_: some people like dircproxy, but I find screen+irssi-text quite useful
[11:48] <crimsun> particularly since you can turn irssi-text into a proxy (per-network)
[11:48] <crimsun> then just use ssh tunneling to connect to your irssi proxy (it acts as an irc server) from any location using any irc client
[11:49] <tritium_> hrm, perhaps I'll try that, rather than this 2-nick business
[11:49] <crimsun> try this: http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=proxy
[11:49] <tritium_> many thanks
[11:50] <crimsun> np
[11:51] <tritium_> I'll be back around later.
[11:51] <crimsun> same here, need to run errands


[01:25] <Shift_Wreck> can anyone tell me how to set "rounded_buttons = FALSE" globally for buttons/widgets in an industrial theme?
[05:45] <drea> Hi, does anyone know what happened to the slideshow on install? Its been marked as in-dev on brainstorm for ever http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/136/, blueprints have been written and approved and code is sitting in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow. Does anyone know whats actually happened to it?
[06:45] <calc> drea: you should talk to evand
[06:46] <drea> calc: shall do, thanks!
[06:46] <drea> calc: are you aware of any particulars?
[06:47] <drea> calc: and I presume he/she comes here?
[06:48] <calc> i think maybe just #ubuntu-devel
[06:48] <drea> calc: shall wait, thanks again. Have a great day
[06:49] <calc> he may not be back online until tuesday due to easter holidays but i am uncertain
[06:49] <drea> calc: sure


[00:49] <cjwatson> mhall119: I have signed packages on my to-do list (as you can see from the blueprint), but I believe that submission to the app store will be protected with https + oauth - any signatures in packages will be more about making them more useful when distributed standalone
[00:49] <cjwatson> (AFAIK)
[01:20] <newborn> got problems.after the 2nd recovery step done my N7 reboot into android not the expected ubuntu touch :( . and open an adb shell the PS1 env is shell@grouper:
[01:21] <mhall119> cjwatson: ah, so we'll be able to match a package submission to a launchpad account for sake of namespace checking?
[01:22] <mhall119> using oauth
[01:25] <newborn>  can anyone offer me some advice to solving the problem? additional info http://paste.geeshell.com/1002/
[01:29] <cjwatson> mhall119: Ask the people doing the server, not me :)
[02:15] <solstag> is mobile data working for anyone? it does not seem to work for me.
[03:00] <Noskcaj> Is it possible to dual-boot android and ubuntu touch on a nexus7?
[03:27] <bzoltan> mhall119:  The click packaging feature is available for all series of the QtC, including the Saucy. There is a Packaging tab on the left where you van edit the pre-filled manifest file and just find the click menu under the Build menus.
[03:33] <mhall119> bzoltan: ah, thanks, I didn't see that tab
[03:34] <mhall119> bzoltan: does the packaging info not change when you change projects?
[03:34] <mhall119> oh, nvm, I see that it does
[03:39] <AskUbuntu> Need instructions for installing ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/328086
[07:44] <bambus> hi everyone!
[08:56] <WarOfTheNerd> Hey guys, just curious as to how robust android devices are to screwing up
[08:56] <WarOfTheNerd> I'm guessing in the worst case scenario there's a ROM-based method of recovering, just want to be sure
[09:03] <ogra_> WarOfTheNerd, as long as you dont break the bootloader they are usually recoverable
[09:26] <WarOfTheNerd> ogra_: I take it that can't easily be done from within the OS you boot even if you had full root?
[09:27] <ogra_> if you have full root you can always screw up things on disk ... (even bootloader partitions if that doesnt live in rom)
[09:28] <ogra_> so thats highly device specific
[09:37] <WarOfTheNerd> What about the Nexus 4?
[09:42] <ogra_> that has the core parts of the bootloader in rom
[09:42] <ogra_> you can always use fastboot to recover it
[09:43] <ogra_> rsalveti, i found the issue with camera and video playback on the SGS2 ... chmod -x /usr/bin/pulseaudio + reboot fixes it :P
[10:40] <msimons> hello, now that the containers have been flipped I'm looking to port ubuntu touch to the transformer prime, tf201, I've followed the guide here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/PortingFlippedInProgress but i feel it may not be up to date? so far I've been able to build it so it boots and I'm able to adb shell into it but I'm not sure if the ubuntu part of it ever starts
[10:40] <msimons> are there any ubuntu booting logs I can look at?
[10:53] <ogra_> msimons, what do you see whan you adb in .... does the shell prompt say root@ubuntu-phablet  ?
[10:54] <ogra_> or does it talk about busybox
[10:56] <msimons> I'm getting root@android does that suggest that I've built for an unflipped build?
[10:56] <ogra_> that means you are not using the ubuntu initrd
[13:47] <rbnswartz> I'm trying to flash my Nexus 10 and every time I try to use phablet flash the device reboots into the bootloader and doesn't continue with the boot process which causing phablet-flash to just sit and do nothing. Any thoughts?
[14:10] <rbnswartz> I'm trying to flash my Nexus 10 and every time I try to use phablet flash the device reboots into the bootloader and doesn't continue with the boot process which causing phablet-flash to just sit and do nothing. Any thoughts?
[15:17] <themikem> so I'm trying to build the current saucy tree, but I'm running into a bunch of missing header errors in frameworks/av/media/libstagefright
[15:17] <themikem> turns out the missing headers are in hardware/qcom/media/mm-core/inc
[15:18] <themikem> should I file a bug report somewhere?  Seems like there's just an include path error somewhere...
[19:54] <morphis> ogra_, rsalveti: did you ever faced this http://bpaste.net/show/i3KRx4cqxMjaGrsEno3w/ while working on the flipped container model?
[22:17] <savedjuli> hi
[23:19] <msimons> hi all I'm trying to build for tf201 but I'm some make errors, can anyone help me debug?
[23:44] <folf> Hi all,
[23:44] <folf> I'm trying to load Ubuntu touch on a second hand Nexus 7. I can't get it to work
[23:45] <folf> (can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command)
[23:45] <folf> Seems like CWM-based Recovery is installed
[23:45] <folf> any hints?


[08:21] <guiverc_t> tsimonq2, if you wanna look, in my opinion its too light.   many ignored b/c i felt not ubuntu-y enough, a vid not en, & other reasons (none of which are in gdoc).   planet 3, cloud 1, canon 3, blog 3, aud 1
[15:31] <pleia2> fwiw, a two week edition should be an extreme since it /is/ called the weekly newsletter ;) I've released many lean issues before
[15:35] <pleia2> of course you're all welcome to change things now that I'm not working on it so much, but historically this is how we've operated
[21:06] <guiverc_t> thanks pleia2,  i think we've had lighter anyway... will check for more & send summary email..
[21:32] <guiverc_t> summary email sent...


[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62382 in linux-source-2.6.17 "[regression] : Toshiba ACPI driver corrupted since 2.6.17-8" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62382
[02:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64678 in xkeyboard-config (main) "apt-get dist-upgrade fails from Dapper to Edgy (different from #57121)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64678


[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: i also speak spanish...just not very very well
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> good enought to translate
[12:52] <gnomefreak> ok ill let you know if i get another
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> cool
[12:53] <gnomefreak> who wants wiki fun?
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> which page?
[12:53] <gnomefreak> all of them ;)
[12:53] <gnomefreak> either edit pages we have or make a new one but our bug pages need to be fixed
[12:54] <gnomefreak> maybe like heres how to triage a damn bug
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> yea we have a lot of pages all over the place. I'll put it on my list of things to do
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> definetly.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> the pages we have go into depth but nothing about dupes or easy traige
[12:55] <gnomefreak> i was gonna add it to agenda and may anyway
[12:55] <Admiral_Chicago> add it anywayts
[12:56] <gnomefreak> ok
[01:00] <gnomefreak> ok added as well as date and time, now to ping fridge mondayish
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> great
[01:01] <gnomefreak> i pinged one of them now lets see if hes around :)
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> i just asked nixternal about it
[01:02] <gnomefreak> me too
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> lol
[01:02] <gnomefreak> btw you and jen great job on the clue files :)
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> 18:02 < nixternal> will do in a few, gnomefreak already messaged me
[01:02] <gnomefreak> oops
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> she did, I just overlooked and made a few changes
[01:03] <Admiral_Chicago> 85% of it was her. she deserves all the credit
[01:03] <gnomefreak> shes not here or i would have told her too :)
[01:05] <gnomefreak> ok i have a start up notice for forums i need to get with asac to go over it. if you can think of any jobs we need people for please let me know
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> there is one..
[01:06] <gnomefreak> i think i have wiki forums and some more
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+mentoring
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> that might be of help
[01:07] <gnomefreak> dont smack me but jen is now a member of the team
[01:07] <Admiral_Chicago> great.
[01:46] <gnomefreak> 19:45 -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server localhost port 6667 [Connection  refused]
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i found someone that uses it
[02:19] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: what ubutnu version ar eyou on?
[02:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Feisty
[02:20] <Admiral_Chicago> worked in Edgy too iirc.
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> actually, no Feisty was what i installed it in
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i heard jabber support is borked in feisty and gutsy but if your using it than i should beable to
[02:21] <gnomefreak> gutsy + feisty same package
[02:24] <gnomefreak> me too
[04:26] <charliko> ant help with lilo  or grub?
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: technical board has a meeting from 19 - 21 UTC
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> we could do it the 22th
[09:54] <asac> morning
[09:57] <asac> sorry for not showing up on the weekend ... but my body needed recovery
[11:42] <hjmf> hi asac, morning
[11:42] <hjmf> bug to eval bug #94749
[11:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94749 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash [@gtk_widget_event_internal]  " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94749
[11:43] <hjmf> sorry I meant: bug #110053
[11:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110053 in firefox "MASTER firefox crashed [@draw_arrow]  [@IA__gtk_paint_arrow]  [@moz_gtk_widget_paint]  -- in KDE" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110053
[11:43] <hjmf> Happens only in KDE, maybe related to a theme
[11:44] <hjmf> I haven't found any upstream relation
[11:44] <hjmf> asac: it has eight duplicates
[11:45] <asac> its most likely gtk-qt engine problem
[11:45] <asac> hjmf: let me see
[11:45] <asac> eight? .... twenty-seven duplicates i see
[11:46] <asac> oh
[11:46] <asac> :)
[11:46] <asac> i clicked the wrong link
[11:46] <hjmf> yep my fault :-P
[11:47] <asac> hjmf: why don't we have dbgsymbolds for /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so ?
[11:47] <hjmf> looking
[11:48] <asac> its definitly a qtengine related ... might be that mozilla assumes something that is not mandatory for engine
[11:48] <asac> but most likely its a bug in libqtengine
[11:56] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: have nixternal not use that date than give me 2 days and ill have another date most likely the 26th
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: we had someone mark 9dupes of a bug they were not dupes Admiral_Chicago has the info oon who it was nad what bugs
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: hope you had fun this weekend
[11:58] <asac> yeah i had :)
[11:58] <asac> gnomefreak: how are you doing?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> im ok just got up but im good
[11:59] <gnomefreak> mike released 1.1.2 this weekend is this something we can commit and merge to bzr? i tried but i think i needed to use bzr commit <URl)
[11:59] <asac> weekend was nice ... been at the beach
[11:59] <gnomefreak> >
[12:00] <asac> do we have 1.1.1 ?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> oh you did have fun
[12:00] <asac> :)
[12:00] <gnomefreak> yes i have 1.1.1
[12:00] <gnomefreak> my branch is 1.1.1
[12:00] <asac> gnomefreak: what branches do exist?
[12:00] <asac> we have one that mirrors the svn right?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> he made alot of changes mostly looks like patches dropped
[12:00] <asac> and yours that has ubuntu changes?
[12:01] <hjmf> asac: sorry I was afk
[12:01] <gnomefreak> we have debian1.1.x
[12:01] <hjmf> asac: (feisty_chroot)root@paleo:/home/hjmf# apt-get install gtk-qt-engine-dbgsym
[12:01] <hjmf> Reading package lists... Done
[12:01] <hjmf> Building dependency tree
[12:01] <hjmf> Reading state information... Done
[12:01] <hjmf> gtk-qt-engine-dbgsym is already the newest version.
[12:01] <hjmf> asac: maybe another buggy dbgsym?
[12:01] <asac> hjmf: what files are in there?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> asac: yes mine has all our changes
[12:01] <asac> who owns the "debian" mirror branch?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> i didnt think the debian branch was auto updated
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: whats the parent branch of your branch?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> asac: you but i can upload iirc
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... i did it once afaik
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: let me see
[12:02] <hjmf> asac: pasting:
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: i guess you started your branch by branching from that "upstream mirror branch", right?
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines
[12:02] <gnomefreak> asac: yes i think so
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde3
[12:02] <hjmf> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kcmgtk.so
[12:03] <asac> hjmf: hmm ... do you see any warnings during retrace?
[12:05] <hjmf> asac: none related to that liberaries
[12:05] <hjmf> asac: pasting:
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: library linux-gate.so.1 not available to ldd -- skipping
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: library /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.5.so not known to firefox <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1 dependencies (using libc6-i686 2.5-0ubuntu14)
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: library /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so not known to firefox <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1 dependencies (using sun-java5-bin 1.5.0-11-1ubuntu2)
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: version 2.2.1-5ubuntu1.1 of package libfreetype6-dbgsym not available
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: package libgcc1-dbgsym not available
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: package libc6-i686-dbgsym not available
[12:05] <hjmf> WARNING: package sun-java5-bin-dbgsym not available
[12:05] <hjmf> $
[12:06] <asac> hjmf: what size has /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so compared to the original libqtengine.so ?
[12:07] <hjmf> asac: it is quite smaller
[12:07] <hjmf> (feisty_chroot)root@paleo:/home/hjmf# ls -l /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so
[12:07] <hjmf> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  22753 Mar 30 22:37 /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so
[12:07] <hjmf> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131652 Mar 30 22:37 /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtengine.so
[12:09] <hjmf> asac: I'm off for working till this evening.
[12:09] <asac> hjmf: ok
[12:09] <asac> hjmf: cu
[12:09] <hjmf> asac: I just had few free minutes, cu :)
[12:11] <gnomefreak> have fun hjmf
[12:14] <DarkMageZ> i saw the libqtengine.so warning when retracing something eariler. i'm correct in asking people to retry with a normal theme?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: btw working on getting jabber up and running but ran into a snag so sometime today ill try to figure it out (would like to get 1.1.2 built first but we will see what happens
[12:19] <asac> gnomefreak: not that important
[12:19] <asac> DarkMageZ: yes
[12:19] <asac> DarkMageZ: libqtengine crashes a lot ... not just mozilla
[12:20] <DarkMageZ> if they're a kde user, how do we tell them to change their theme? i'm guessing they don't have gnome-theme-manager
[12:20] <gnomefreak> asac: iceape or jabber?
[12:21] <asac> jabber
[12:21] <asac> i am currently pushing iceape
[12:22] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:23] <gnomefreak> yeah i know jabber isnt important ;)
[12:24] <gnomefreak> btw i apporved jen for membership on her good work with Admiral_Chicago on clue files
[12:31] <asac> fine
[01:04] <gnomefreak> asac: did you check your email yet?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> asac: you should have email from pitti rejecting iceape for gutsy
[01:18] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... i will reupload with those files removed
[01:18] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[04:47] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 106692 happens (atleast from what ive seen) because alternatives wasnt set to use right java. This is also a problem on windows and IE i had to fix this for someone on windows ~2 months ago but have also seen it in ubuntu and ther eis a bug on it already iirc
[04:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106692 in firefox "linux feisty java load error" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106692
[04:48] <gnomefreak> alot of java applets fail to load i cant remember if its just java6 or if 5 also did it though
[04:49] <asac> so it is a java packaging error?
[04:50] <asac> Riddell: you have any idea how i can install a plugin (like flash) in konqueror?
[04:50] <asac> Riddell: is there something like .mozilla/plugins/ for konqueror?
[04:52] <gnomefreak> asac: i havent tested enough yet but i have seen it maybe 10 times in a few months from other people never had the issue myself
[04:53] <Riddell> asac: that very same place.  then  Settings -> Konqueror -> Plugins -> Scan for new plugins
[04:53] <gnomefreak> asac: you have to use the path in prefferneces in konq
[04:53] <gnomefreak> or scan
[04:53] <Riddell> although it should scan on startup too
[04:54] <Riddell> is this about java?  konqueror does that differently
[04:55] <asac> Riddell: I don't see any "Plugins" entry in Settings -> Configure Konqueror
[04:55] <gnomefreak> commenting and testing java issue atm
[04:55] <asac> Riddell: do I need to be root?
[04:55] <asac> Riddell: no its about flash
[04:59] <Riddell> asac: scroll to the bottom of the sidebar in the config dialogue
[04:59] <Riddell> no, user is fine
[05:00] <gnomefreak> this is bad, this is a differnt issue i think than what i was seeing :(
[05:02] <asac> Riddell: i scroll up and down all the time ... i might be blind, but it appears to be not there
[05:02] <asac> Riddell: i am in gutsy
[05:03] <asac> Riddell: last three are "Crypto" "Browser Identification" "Performance" <END OF LIST>
[05:04] <asac> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/Screenshot-Configure%20-%20Konqueror.png
[05:04] <asac> i don't see it there
[05:04] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plugins.png
[05:05] <gnomefreak> asac: this also happens in konqueror
[05:05] <asac> Riddell: interesting ... maybe i need some special package for that option to appear?
[05:05] <gnomefreak> this is bad and i have a feeling its java for the above reason but will be looking into it
[05:05] <Riddell> asac: try installing konqueror-nsplugins
[05:06] <gnomefreak> Riddell: konq uses system wide java right no need to add it to prefferneces?
[05:07] <asac> Riddell: yes that did the trick
[05:07] <asac> Riddell: thanks a lot
[05:07] <gnomefreak> this is really bad. it fails in konq and in firefox but works in epiphany
[05:08] <gnomefreak> that would mean browser fault afaics
[05:10] <gnomefreak> Riddell: what is source package for konqueror?
[05:11] <gnomefreak> ah kdebase
[05:13] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: you know how far OpenID implementation is in Firefox 3?
[05:14] <AlexLatchford> or if it will indeed make it?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: nope sorry
[05:15] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes, just loads it from the command line
[05:15] <Riddell> gnomefreak: kdebase
[05:15] <Riddell> asac: that's handy to know :)
[05:15] <gnomefreak> it looks like a browser isseu for ff and konq atm
[05:15] <gnomefreak> im testing a few others to see what happens
[05:16] <asac> Riddell: actually it looks like khtml has a javascript bug that prevents youtube to work :/
[05:16] <gnomefreak> Riddell: i added kdebase task to bug 106692
[05:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106692 in firefox "linux feisty java load error" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106692
[05:16] <Riddell> asac: err, it worked for me last I tried
[05:17] <Riddell> asac: yes, working fine in gutsy for me
[05:17] <gnomefreak> lmao @ galeon
[05:17] <asac> interesting
[05:17] <asac> Riddell: ok i will dig into it a bit
[05:17] <Riddell> asac: this is with adobe flash?
[05:17] <gnomefreak> its reseting itself on it since it cant load it. resetting itself == goes back to first page
[05:18] <asac> no :)
[05:18] <gnomefreak> 64bit :(
[05:18] <asac> Riddell: gnash ... which works like a charm in firefox et al
[05:18] <gnomefreak> we really need more non gecko browsers
[05:23] <Riddell> asac: that could be it then, probably not well tested.  but if you grab the details and report on bugs.kde.org, KHTML upstream are quite responsive these days
[05:23] <asac> Riddell: i will figure out with gnash devs ... if they don't see the problem on their side, i will post a bug :)
[05:26] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: do you have upstream version of firefox <IP_ADDRESS> or .4?
[05:27] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: also what is last trunk build in repos 20070601?
[05:27] <AlexLatchford> .4
[05:28] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: if its upstream can you test bug 106692 on it
[05:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106692 in firefox "linux feisty java load error" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106692
[05:29] <AlexLatchford> trunk.. I haven't got installed currently
[05:29] <AlexLatchford> had to format a few weeks back and haven't put 3.x on yet
[05:31] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: k ill look and see if we should update it
[05:32] <AlexLatchford> hmm.. that RuneScape bug appears to work for me
[05:32] <gnomefreak> in upstream ff?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: and your using java6?
[05:33] <AlexLatchford> in Ubuntu firefox
[05:33] <AlexLatchford> whatever the newest one is in the MT rep
[05:33] <AlexLatchford> Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0-b105
[05:33] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: need you to test upstream or standard ubuntu firefox package
[05:34] <gnomefreak> or ill grab upstream and do it sometime today
[05:34] <AlexLatchford> I am using the Standard Ubuntu Firefox
[05:34] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[05:36] <gnomefreak> k thank you for testing
[05:36] <AlexLatchford> No probs..
[05:49] <asac> so what is the problem
[05:49] <asac> with java?
[05:49] <asac> can someone summarize?
[05:50] <gnomefreak> upstream issue
[05:50] <gnomefreak> java applet fails to load
[05:50] <gnomefreak> tells you you nee djava
[05:51] <gnomefreak> the install missing plugins pop up bar comes up and click here to download plugin in the aplet window (this also happens on upstream <IP_ADDRESS> with sun-java6-plugin feisty and gutsy
[05:52] <gnomefreak> may tag it as upstream but im not 100% sure its not java issue but im 75% sure its browser
[05:59] <gnomefreak> gonna try with java5 in a few minutes
[06:09] <gnomefreak> asac: can you use the testcase and try to reproduce on 64 pc? feisty or gutsy, im assuming there is a 64bit sun-java package
[06:09] <asac> there is no 64bit java plugin :)
[06:10] <asac> though there is 64bit java package (which actually is 32bit)
[06:10] <gnomefreak> oh
[06:10] <asac> until we have nspluginwrapper (which I am supposed to write the spec for) ... we don't have java plugin in firefox
[06:10] <gnomefreak> it only works on epiphany and i dont like that at all
[06:11] <gnomefreak> works == works as expected
[06:11] <asac> gnomefreak: have you tried to install upstream java plugin?
[06:11] <asac> e.g. in .mozilla/plugins
[06:12] <gnomefreak> no
[06:12] <asac> upstream ffox will not pick up our global sun install
[06:12] <gnomefreak> gonna try sun-java5-plugin
[06:12] <asac> so to test it you have to to install upstream java
[06:12] <gnomefreak> oic
[06:12] <asac> not our package
[06:13] <gnomefreak> i figure works with java5 fails on java6 theres a huge chance its java issue
[06:25] <gnomefreak> asac: do you use german locales for firefox?
[06:27] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 52514
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52514 in kubuntu-meta "German language-support isnt installed" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52514
[06:31] <asac> gnomefreak: let me see
[06:31] <asac> (no i never use locales)
[06:32] <gnomefreak> me neither, im not even sure how to make use of them. i didnt notice it was rejected and i didnt see anyone comment on it
[06:32] <asac> because I would ask the same ignorant thing like freddy did: "How are you installing German language pack? For what reason?"
[06:32] <asac> :)
[06:32] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:33] <asac> thats a funny question : "why would someone install a language pack" :)
[06:33] <asac> gnomefreak: the bug has been rejected ... so lets not care
[06:33] <asac> i don't get the problem out of the bug
[06:34] <gnomefreak> oh ok ill re reject it than but he did answer back
[06:34] <asac> its completely open what fails
[06:34] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe ask him what package isn't installed
[06:34] <asac> ""language settings" I get a warning that the language support for german isn't completely installed and some packages are downloaded."
[06:34] <asac> which package is it?
[06:35] <gnomefreak> i asked
[06:38] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: updating trunk to 20070608 and i dont see anything about openID whiles its updating from cvs svn or whatever its grabbing it from
[06:39] <gnomefreak> not real sure what it is or does but ill look around the release notes from mozilla and see if they tell me anything sometime this week
[06:42] <asac> gnomefreak: openid?
[06:42] <asac> has support landed?
[06:42] <asac> does it fail to build or what?
[06:43] <gnomefreak> im looking atm
[06:43] <gnomefreak> not yet
[06:45] <gnomefreak> doesnt look like it landed yet
[06:46] <gnomefreak> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/01/firefox_30_requ.html
[06:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm glad my questions about language packs was useful :)
[06:46] <Admiral_Chicago> multiple languages...who needs that anyways? Just use Esperanto
[06:48] <gnomefreak> the password manager has been re-writen for trunk build
[06:48] <gnomefreak> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/06/firefox-3-alpha-5-is-out/
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> yea. /me need to download Alpha 5
[06:48] <gnomefreak> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/01/planned-features-for-firefox-3/
[06:48] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: its in my repo
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> after i eat and grab lunch.
[06:48] <gnomefreak> it should be updated to the nightly of the 8th tonight or tomorrow
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: sweet, i have the repo still
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: did that nasty libhunspeller bug get fixed, it prevented me from typing a paper last time
[06:49] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago:  a long time ago
[06:50] <gnomefreak> like withina  week of finding it
[06:50] <gnomefreak> 3 days maybe
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> deb http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing feisty main
[06:50] <gnomefreak> looks right
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> cool
[06:50] <gnomefreak> !moztest | Admiral_Chicago
[06:50] <ubotu> Admiral_Chicago: The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll do an update noe
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> now*
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm its only updating thunderbird...
[06:53] <gnomefreak> will only update what you have installed
[06:53] <gnomefreak> ;)
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> i have firefox installed, its the web browser i use
[06:53] <gnomefreak> firefox-trunk?
[06:54] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: how the  hell can i remove plugins from konqueror :(
[06:54] <gnomefreak> or just firefox
[06:54] <gnomefreak> asac: lol
[06:54] <asac> this application kills me
[06:54] <asac> it is just soo implicit
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> thats a good question. let me look
[06:54] <gnomefreak> asac: sudo apt-get remove --purge konqueror
[06:54] <asac> i removed konqueror-nsplugins package
[06:54] <gnomefreak> :)
[06:54] <asac> but that just forgot about the "preference" dialog
[06:54] <asac> the previously discovered plugins are still there
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> i neeed firefox-trunk? okay cool let me install that
[06:55] <asac> ok its a file called: .kde/share/apps/nsplugins/pluginsinfo
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: firefox-trunk is firefox 3.0
[06:56] <Admiral_Chicago> thats was my suggestion after checking configure konqueror, plugins
[06:56] <asac> and konqueror-nsplugins is apparently just the confiugration UI ... which unfortunately allows you to find new plugins, but never remove existing ones :/
[06:56] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: is there no UI way to disable specific plugins?
[06:56] <Admiral_Chicago> installing trunk
[06:57] <asac> ok ... i will remove that directory now :)
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: settings >> configure konqueror >> plugings
[06:57] <asac> yeah .. .that allows me to find new plugins
[06:57] <asac> but i fail to see how to remove all discovered
[06:57] <gnomefreak> ok gone
[06:58] <asac> hehe ... just removed .kde in my HOME :)
[06:58] <asac> hope that helps :)
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a remove button.
[06:58] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i only see a remove button to disable places where to search for new plugins
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> ah.
[06:59] <asac> it doesn't disable plugins for me that konqueror previously found at that place :)
[06:59] <asac> they just get entrenched in the guts of .kde :)
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i'm not a big fan of konqueror...slower for me
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> and i can't middle click to close a tab, that bother me to no extent.
[07:01] <asac> i think now its confirmed that klash doesn't work at all :)
[07:03] <Admiral_Chicago> never used it
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i've got the trunk installed, how to launch it...
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> might be related to my button in the panel
[07:05] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: menu
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> yep i see it now
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[07:27] <Admiral_Chicago> firefox's set desktop background failes for KDE
[08:27] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: yes ... there is a patch in our bts for that, but it doesn't look good enough to apply
[08:28] <asac> ... should work though
[08:37] <gnomefreak> asac: our changes to iceape conflicts with mikes 5 files maybe 20+ things including -enable-system-nss -nspr and so on
[08:37] <gnomefreak> pretty much everything we added
[08:39] <gnomefreak> mozconfig has a bunch of things that conflict, you might want to take a look at it also the 99_config patch has a bunch
[08:40] <gnomefreak> trunk is still building and i have to go out, ill be gone for a few hours thanks to one of my doctors :(
[08:41] <gnomefreak> the 5 files are debian/changelog debian/control debian/iceape-browser.install debian/mozconfig debian/patches/99_configure.dpatch
[08:41] <gnomefreak> bbl
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> yes i saw the patch, i didn't like it for the same reasons you didn't
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> source == svn
[11:13] <gnomefreak> oops i built ffox-trunk for gutsy :(
[11:13] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: what tags do you want to add?
[11:13] <asac> or change?
[11:14] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i'm stuck building KDE4 from SVN, i'm getting some error building kdelibs that i can't figure out.
[11:14] <Admiral_Chicago> well i'm thinking using the mt-needinfo tag if it needs infromation
[11:14] <asac> what kind of info is bug 68230 lacking?
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68230 in firefox "[edgy]  right click for popup menus on status bar triggers menu items" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68230
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: the last comment wasn't there went i ran bughelper and noticed it
[11:16] <asac> why is mt-needtestcase wrong?
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm thinking its a bug related to how extensions call GTK...
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: i added it because it doesn't seem reproduceable. i saw it and added the tag
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> so bughelper wouldn't kick out the information
[11:17] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: seems like we need a case in the clue file for no tag as well
[11:17] <asac> why?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> asac: that is an extension issue im fairly sure on that. his problematic comment is it works fine under kde. gtk is still drawing ff
[11:17] <asac> i mean mt-needtestcase is appropriate until we have a description on how to reproduce
[11:18] <asac> then it goes to mt-needtester, until someone reliable can confirm that the testcase works
[11:18] <gnomefreak> is this me or have i seen a good amount of bugs on firebug
[11:18] <asac> if all this is there, then things go to Confirmed/mt-eval ... where the thinking happens
[11:18] <asac> like: is it really a firefox issue, or is it a gtk issue ... or an extension issue
[11:19] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: if there is no tag applied, bughelper says "Wrong Status/Tag-Combination for Status"
[11:19] <asac> gnomefreak: hehe
[11:19] <Admiral_Chicago> which is a problem
[11:19] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: yeah which is right
[11:19] <gnomefreak> i doubt gtk since it doesnt happen on kde
[11:19] <gnomefreak> unless its using gtk-qt-*
[11:19] <gnomefreak> or whatever that lib is called
[11:19] <Admiral_Chicago> it seems like that shouldn't happern howevere
[11:20] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: exactly ... the strict tag/state combinations are there to discover triaging bugs
[11:20] <asac> e.g. people set to need info without explicitly stating what info is needed before we can move on
[11:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't follow...
[11:21] <gnomefreak> i am unable to reproduce in gutsy i will try feisty. if its fixed in feisty we should fix release it as its fixed in feisty
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see.
[11:21] <gnomefreak> need to find out is it just ffox that has this issue or another browser or whatver
[11:22] <asac> consider this: when I started bugs where randomly Confirmed or Needs Info ... without following any rules
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> so it'll cause bughelper to spit out an incorrect bug triage because it doesn't have a tag/..
[11:22] <asac> yeah
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> great.
[11:22] <asac> most likely this means that someone who doesn't know what he is doing changed the bug state
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i wasn't aware the reason for that...
[11:22] <asac> people open confirm because they want to do that
[11:22] <asac> but which si wrong
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i know what you mean
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> okay great
[11:22] <asac> by having these two-components (tag/state) we can discover these "triaging bugs"
[11:23] <asac> otherwise we are lost :)
[11:23] <gnomefreak> btw meeting on 26th at 1800UTC good for everyone?
[11:23] <JenFraggle> i would like to but can't
[11:25] <gnomefreak> how about the 3rd if 26th isnt good for anyone
[11:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i think we should just set a date ... and then go for it.
[11:25] <asac> its unlikely that we will find a date/time where everybody can attend :)
[11:26] <JenFraggle> tuesdays are bad for me, are they always then?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> 26th than i will ping nixternal about it in a few if you cant make it item gets pushed
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: hes on his way to school
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: have we ever done meetings on tuesday?
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> always
[11:26] <gnomefreak> JenFraggle: we try to because they have worked well in past but since noone answers my posts i cant tell you whats good for anyone :)
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: good for me
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: have we ever not
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: every meeting has been on tues
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> we could move it though
[11:27] <asac> gnomefreak: ok then its fine ... i think we should rotate the weekday
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> if 3/5 of the council is there, that would be good
[11:27] <gnomefreak> agreed
[11:27] <asac> gnomefreak: then lets not do tuesday this time
[11:27] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: which actually would be 3/4
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> every day works for me
[11:28] <asac> since david will probably not show up
[11:28] <gnomefreak> k give me a few to  think and look at schedule
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> oh yea that may need to be discussed..
[11:28] <gnomefreak> JenFraggle: what day next week is good for you?
[11:28] <asac> anyone wants to ping david?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> asac: i sent email
[11:28] <asac> when?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> thurs. fri.
[11:28] <gnomefreak> one of the two
[11:29] <asac> gnomefreak: what did you ask?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> asac: if everything is ok and whats going on havent seen him ect. i dont remember exactly
[11:30] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[11:30] <asac> lets wait a bit
[11:30] <asac> gnomefreak: ah
[11:30] <asac> yeah will send tomorrow
[11:30] <asac> promissed
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> mail the list about the day / time. anything works for me.
[11:36] <gnomefreak> asac: i got to thinking maybe just use the debian dir from the debian branch and re make all our changes (that makes for a long frigging day though)
[11:36] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: last 4 times i sent to list noone cared to reply
[11:36] <gnomefreak> thats why i ask in here now
[11:37] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[11:37] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 12 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 13 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 15:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu
[11:37] <asac> gnomefreak: oh ... alpha5 is really out
[11:37] <gnomefreak> 21st at 1800 is what im thinking atm
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: its been out
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: the above is about icecrap
[11:37] <asac> i would be happy with wednesday
[11:37] <gnomefreak> wed could work
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ok 20th at 1800UTC
[11:38] <asac> 21th would be even more perfect :)
[11:38] <asac> ahead of distro meeting :)
[11:39] <asac> e.g. 18UTC
[11:39] <asac> or 19UTC
[11:39] <gnomefreak> there i sent the pm
[11:40] <gnomefreak> 21st at 1800
[11:41] <gnomefreak> btw i also have part of the post to forums done i just need ideas on what to add if anyone has any
[11:42] <asac> gnomefreak: where can i read?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> well installing ff on edgy to test bug but it will be a bit
[11:43] <gnomefreak> asac: give me a minute ill post it
[11:43] <asac> k
[11:43] <asac> short break
[11:44] <gnomefreak> asac: feel free to hack the hell out of it http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/559753
[11:46] <gnomefreak> before i can say for bug traige look here we need a damn wiki that discribes how to triage (lowest level to most advanced) asac btw see Admiral_Chicago about someone that triaged 8-9 bugs as a dupe of one and it wasnt same
[11:46] <gnomefreak> i think posting after meeting would be best unless we can come up with ideas before than
[11:49] <JenFraggle> as a newbie i could check the wiki for how easy it is to understand for fellow newbies when it's done. haven't done any triaging myself so couldn't contribute as such
[11:54] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe we should add the important parts more to top
[11:54] <asac> JenFraggle: sleep well
[11:54] <asac> JenFraggle: have you read the wiki about bug states and tags?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> night JenFraggle dont be scared to ask anything
[11:56] <gnomefreak> define important? i was thinking most important is to let people know about the team :)
[11:57] <asac> gnomefreak: let me move around a bit
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: hack it as you wish repost it and see what it looks like (personally i trust you to hack as you wish i just dont want to be suprised and not know an answer
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: would you rather i post it so you can wget it?
[11:57] <asac> he?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> on edgy i am unable to reproduce the bug above
[11:58] <gnomefreak> asac: would it be easier to do it locally than on pastebin? i can upload so you can wget it and move things
[11:58] <asac> actually i am not a native speaker, so i would like someone with *the native feeling* to read and write it properly
[11:58] <asac> gnomefreak: no looks fine
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:00] <gnomefreak> i dont need to set up a gutsy repo do i?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> btw jabber+bitlbee+irssi blow
[12:01] <gnomefreak> noone can figure it out
[12:02] <asac> ui
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: do you know gajim?
[12:02] <asac> its pretty great jabber application
[12:02] <gnomefreak> nope never heard of it
[12:03] <gnomefreak> installing to see it
[12:10] <gnomefreak> local host isnt in the server choices
[12:10] <gnomefreak> localhost even
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> really?
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> works fine over here...
[12:11] <gnomefreak> yep and it doesnt connect to localhost here either
[12:14] <gnomefreak> is there another way to hit that server maybe from another server name?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> like irc.ubuntu.com connects to irc.freenode.net
[12:16] <gnomefreak> ah ha
[12:16] <gnomefreak> im there i think
[12:17] <gnomefreak> brb gonna try this now
[12:18] <gnomefreak> still wont connect to localhost on irssi
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> give me a sec...
[12:19] <Admiral_Chicago> the only bug related to bitlbee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitlbee/+bug/108855
[12:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108855 in bitlbee "bitlbee fails to start in feisty (netkit-inetd depend gone awol)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:20] <Admiral_Chicago> which i don't think is related
[12:21] <gnomefreak> will find out
[12:23] <gnomefreak> ha that work around wont work


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[22:36] <mikeputnam> that was a very latent ping response