[01:22] <alexvd12> hi
[01:22] <majoridiot> hola
[01:22] <alexvd12> where is the main mythtv users lists
[01:22] <alexvd12> i thought it was on freenode
[01:23] <alexvd12> this is for ubuntu
[01:23] <majoridiot> yes
[01:23] <majoridiot> not sure about general mythtv users.  did you look at the channel list?
[01:23] <alexvd12> yes
[01:24] <alexvd12> it says it supposed to be mythtv-users
[01:24] <alexvd12> i dont see it though
[01:24] <majoridiot> don't know... sorry.
[01:24] <alexvd12> k thanks
[07:59] <msmyth> hello - can anyone please help me tune in QAM?
[08:16] <superm1> msmyth, i'm in and out, but what troubles are you having?
[08:24] <msmyth> i'm using digital cable - the scanner in myth finds a ton of channels - but only PBS shows up - i have also tried qamscan.sh w/ not much luck
[08:32] <superm1> possibly encrypted then
[08:32] <superm1> everything else
[08:33] <superm1> thats the most likely problem
[08:33] <msmyth> that script finds either one, two, or three stations dependind on when I run it
[08:33] <msmyth> inconsistent
[08:34] <msmyth> i used to get the major networks - sometimes i get the music stations - but it's inconsistent
[08:34] <msmyth> what is the best method to build a channels.conf?
[08:37] <superm1> well i've not needed to
[08:37] <superm1> its always just been right through the scanner
[08:37] <superm1> in myth
[08:37] <superm1> and that worked off the bat
[08:43] <msmyth> using QAM?
[08:44] <superm1> yes
[08:46] <msmyth> did you use live edit mode for the channels?
[08:46] <superm1> no
[08:53] <superm1> hey majoridiot
[08:53] <majoridiot> hola!
[09:33] <superm1> keescook, any words on lirc patch i did before?
[09:33] <superm1> keescook, if it will make it in?
[09:58] <majoridiot> grr.
[10:05] <billbrasky> so is myth on ubuntu pretty stable?
[10:06] <majoridiot> very
[10:07] <majoridiot> for best results, use ubuntu intstall guides and packages:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[10:07] <majoridiot> food run... biab
[10:19] <billbrasky> 6.06 or 6.10 better for myth?
[10:19] <billbrasky> or no diff?
[11:50] <Xenocide> superm1 you around?
[11:51] <Xenocide> yo majoridiot maybe you can help me
[11:56] <majoridiot> was afk
[11:56] <majoridiot> 'sup?
[11:57] <majoridiot> (setting up ups on my backend)
[11:59] <majoridiot> ping Xenocide
[12:07] <Xenocide> nevermind i got it
[12:07] <Xenocide> got the new pvr working
[12:07] <Xenocide> the remote
[12:07] <majoridiot> which is this, now?
[12:07] <Xenocide> some of the buttons don't work with the lircrc superm1 gives in his gude, ill have to make my own
[12:08] <Xenocide> i got mine replaced, remember it was DOA superm1 and i spent 2 days trying to fix it
[12:08] <Xenocide> didnt' realize it was a bad card, only the ir chip was dead
[12:09] <majoridiot> no... didn't know about DOA card
[12:09] <majoridiot> which one was it?
[12:09] <Xenocide> pvr150
[12:10] <majoridiot> ah
[12:10] <majoridiot> usb remote or card type?
[12:18] <majoridiot> billbrasky: i suggest 6.10 install over 6.06 for mythtv
[12:19] <billbrasky> i didn't see codec install mentioned in the guides...
[12:20] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_media
[12:21] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats


[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[07:04] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:04] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:06] <jibel> Hi duflu
[07:06] <duflu> Morning jibel
[07:13] <willcooke> hi gang
[07:14] <jibel> hi willcooke
[07:14] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:36] <duflu> Oops, morning willcooke
[07:51] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Friday!
[08:05] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[08:05] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu
[08:17] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:18] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:18] <seb128> lut oSoMoN! c'est vendredi! en forme? ;)
[08:19] <oSoMoN> seb128, fatigué, mais c’est vendredi :) et toi?
[08:19] <seb128> un peu pareil
[09:05] <Laney> yo
[09:08] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:08] <Trevinho> Bonjiur!
[09:08] <seb128> lut trevinho
[09:08] <Trevinho> hi Laney and seb128
[09:14] <Laney> hey seb128 Trevinho
[09:14] <Laney> seb128: good, looking forward to the weekend - got a friend coming to visit tonight
[09:14] <Laney> party time
[09:14] <Laney> you? how's france?
[09:15] <seb128> ah, nice!
[09:15] <seb128> grey today :p but good to be there for the w.e!
[09:20] <Laney> :>
[09:23] <seb128> lol, bug #1771109
[09:23] <seb128> emoji in domain names feels a weird thing to do :p
[09:27] <Trevinho> don't we live in weird times? www.😂.com to get more happiness!
[09:32] <Laney> :D
[09:32] <Laney> I registered downthe.pub the other day
[09:32] <Laney> 🍺.pub would go quite nicely with that
[09:36] <Laney> unavailable 😢
[10:19] <seb128> trevinho, does bug #1809788 ring any bell to you? (the reported states it's fixed in 18.10 but I'm not sure it's true either)
[10:39] <jibel> I've a problem with tracker-store that uses 100% cpu, how do I stop it?
[10:40] <jibel> if I just kill it it restarts automatically
[10:41] <Trevinho> jibel: wondering why you don't like such features in the winter... it's a warming system!
[10:42] <Trevinho> anyway I suppose is dbus activated so... remove the service file -_-
[10:42] <jibel> Trevinho, it's my contribution to climate change, reduce warming
[10:44] <Trevinho> seb128: can't remember any fix committed for that but I can give a look
[10:44] <seb128> trevinho, it's not a priority but if/when you have some slot that would be nice since oem asked about it
[10:44] <jibel> the log is full of failures like https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJm48fdCYw/
[10:45] <seb128> the error looks similar to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker/issues/40
[10:45] <gitbot> GNOME issue 40 in tracker "tracker-store restart loop" [Closed]
[10:49] <seb128> the commit was after 2.1.6 which is the most recent version/what we have in disco
[10:49] <seb128> so 'tracker reset --hard' for you?
[10:55] <jibel> seb128, yes, it seems to
[11:02] <Laney> seb128: that bolt thing, it happens for me in bionic, what about you?
[11:03] <Laney> you can just run 'boltctl enroll foo', no need for hw
[11:03] <jamesh> kenvandine: fyi: the inhibit portal support will probably work with GTK 3.24 in the container: there was some changes to the GTK side code there.
[11:04] <Laney> s/bionic/disco/ oops
[11:04] <seb128> Laney, ah, yes it happens on bionic. But when I tried on disco yesterday (but that was with another polkit dialog) it didn't seem fixed there
[11:04] <jamesh> It might be possible to backport just that change to 3.22, but I suspect we'll find more and more cases where we want a newer GTK for core18 based snaps
[11:04] <Laney> and cosmic
[11:04] <Laney> basically it doesn't seem fixed :P
[11:04] <seb128> thx, that confirms what I saw
[11:05] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[11:05] <seb128> the bug submitter probably got confused or did test wrong
[11:05] <jamesh> while not wanting to do wholesale upgrades of bionic systems
[11:06] <seb128> Laney, thx for testing (and for the 'boltctl enroll foo' tip)
[11:07] <seb128> jamesh, don't even think about it, we are not going to SRU gtk 3.24 to bionic :p
[11:07] <Laney> np!
[11:09] <jamesh> seb128: I think it would be a bad idea too.  The problem is that snapcraft doesn't make it easy to e.g. build against a PPA, so for simple things pushing things to bionic-updates has been the path of least resistance
[11:09] <jamesh> seb128: I think we're probably going to end up needing a "bionic-overlay" PPA with corresponding snapcraft support
[11:10] <seb128> right, well first thing would be to try to backport the commits that look like portal fixes if that seems easy
[11:10] <Trevinho> ok I'll see to fix it
[11:10] <seb128> Trevinho, you can probably put it low on the priority list, you are busy enough and it's minor
[11:11] <seb128> willcooke, ^ do you know how much the oem team cares about bug #1809788? It looks cosmetic to me (and doesn't seem fixed in newer versions)
[11:11] <seb128> Trevinho, in any case that's bug fixing so for after feature freeze I would say
[11:12] <Laney> nominated for the rls directly, should get an assignee ;-)
[11:16] <Trevinho> I agree
[11:16] <Trevinho> I agree
[11:22] <seb128> tssss willcooke :)
[11:25] <kenvandine> jamesh: thanks
[17:01] <seb128> k, enough for this week, have a nice w.e desktopers!
[17:27] <oSoMoN> seb128, have a good week-end!
[17:52] <Laney> my friend just arrived, so I'll go entertain him
[17:52] <Laney> laters!
[18:11] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone


[08:26] <dholbach> good morning
[08:26] <Kilos> hi dholbach
[08:26] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[08:32] <davidcalle> Morning
[08:32] <Kilos> hi  davidcalle
[08:32] <davidcalle> Hey Kilos
[09:12]  * dholbach relocates office, bbiab
[09:30] <dholbach> (as you can tell, I was almost out of the door earlier... I wanted to say "relocates to the office" of course :-))
[09:31] <popey> hah
[09:31] <popey> I was thinking you must have had your spinach today
[09:38] <Kilos> lol
[09:38] <Kilos> hi popey spreadubuntu sorted
[09:38] <Kilos> ty
[09:39] <popey> great!
[10:42] <dholbach> dpm_, want to have a call about the developer portal discussions you had yesterday?
[10:42] <dpm_> dholbach, yes, but I'm not quite sure when yet, it's a bit of a full day today
[10:42] <dholbach> ok
[10:43] <dholbach> let's catch up tomorrow then
[10:45] <popey> Who is on the Q&A today?
[10:46] <dholbach> I think I was in the one last week - anyone else maybe?
[10:47] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119: you guys available?
[10:47] <dholbach> I think balloons has a day off, right?
[10:47] <dholbach> and dpm said he was busy
[10:48] <dholbach> but I could help too, if noone else is available
[10:50] <popey> yeah, you and I did last week. and balloons is on vacation
[12:30] <mhall119> I can do the Q&A today
[12:53] <popey> \o/
[13:11] <mhall119> who's going to be on with me?
[14:31] <mhall119> dpm: dholbach popey davidcalle has anyone setup the Q&A hangout yet?
[14:31] <dholbach> I haven't
[14:31] <mhall119> ok, I'll create it
[14:32] <mhall119> who's going to be on?
[14:32] <mhall119> popey: dholbach: davidcalle ^^
[14:34] <popey> myself and dholbach were last week, but balloons is on vacation, so you and davidcalle ?
[14:34] <davidcalle> mhall119: o/
[14:34] <davidcalle> Sorry for the late reply, just made sure I was able to
[14:34] <davidcalle> dpm: dholbach: popey: ^
[14:35] <popey> yay
[14:47] <mhall119> davidcalle: dholbach dpm popey what announcements do we have for the Q&A today?
[14:56] <belkinsa> mhall119, is there any openings in the Canonical Community Team?  Or at least a community based opening?
[14:56] <mhall119> belkinsa: not yet, but maybe soon after balloons actually makes the move
[14:56] <belkinsa> Alright, thank you.
[15:05] <dholbach> mhall119, is all of ubucon.org in an Lp branch somewhere?
[15:06] <svij> dholbach: this? https://launchpad.net/ubucon-site
[15:07] <dholbach> brilliant
[15:07] <svij> dpm and jose are also working on this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubucon-site/+bug/1549897 not sure what the status is
[15:07] <mhall119> dholbach: I don't know if that's all of it or how up to date it is, dpm and marcoceppi were coordinating that
[15:08] <dholbach> dpm, marcoceppi: is ubucon-site up to date?
[15:09] <belkinsa> mhall119 and dholbach, I can be a guess on the QA someday in the near future.
[15:09] <marcoceppi> dholbach: i don't know? I can go update it if you'd like
[15:09] <dpm> dholbach, svij, mhall119, the status is up-to-date: Jose was looking at it, but it turns out it was more complex than initially thought.
[15:09] <marcoceppi> dholbach jose dpm I'm working on an updated charm that will make it easier to update in the future
[15:09] <dholbach> marcoceppi, err... the question was more about if there were local changes on ubucon.org which weren't in the branch
[15:09] <marcoceppi> dholbach: oh, no idea
[15:09] <dpm> dholbach, I've got changes pending
[15:09] <dholbach> dpm, in a branch?
[15:10] <dpm> but I have no clue how to do the deployment with the new charm
[15:10] <dholbach> dpm, is this about the blog?
[15:10] <dpm> marcoceppi, do you think you could add a comment on the bug explaining how to do a manual deployment with the current setup?
[15:10] <dpm> This way we could land changes manually without blocking on the updated charm
[15:11] <dpm> dholbach, I _think_ I put them on a branch, but they were small changes only (the iframes fix we then added to d.u.c). I've not yet started with the blog
[15:12] <dholbach> dpm, ok, I'll take a stab
[15:13] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Ubuntu/posts/1CzSYJq4q3M sharing is caring
[15:13] <dholbach> dpm, marcoceppi: so you guys use juju locally for testing and developing the ubucon site?
[15:14] <dpm> dholbach, I did back then, yes
[15:14] <mhall119> belkinsa: which role would you want to be a guest for? You wear many hats :)
[15:14] <belkinsa> I don't know yet, maybe CC for this time?
[15:15] <mhall119> should do that when neither dholbach nor I are hosting :)
[15:15] <svij> haha
[15:15] <belkinsa> Alright
[15:17] <dholbach> marcoceppi, "charm build" is not a valid command(?)
[15:17] <dholbach> marcoceppi, that's what was described in README.md
[15:18]  * mhall119 may let davidcalle do most of the talking today
[15:18] <marcoceppi> dholbach: you have to install charm-tools from ppa:juju/stable
[15:18] <dholbach> from xenial?
[15:18] <dholbach> is that good enough
[15:18] <marcoceppi> dholbach: charm-tools in xenial hasn't been updated, we're uploading it now with a FFE
[15:18] <dholbach> go go go!
[15:19] <mhall119> dholbach: yeah, xenial is too old :)
[15:19] <dholbach> it drives me nuts if teams all use their own PPAs, but ok, adding it :)
[15:19] <tsimonq2> is the community team Q&A starting yet or is that at 11? (10:20 by me now)
[15:19] <dholbach> thanks marcoceppi
[15:20] <belkinsa> tsimonq2, yes, because of the daylight savings.
[15:20] <tsimonq2> belkinsa: so it's going on right now?
[15:20] <dholbach> in 40m
[15:20] <belkinsa> No, in 40 minutes.
[15:20] <tsimonq2> oh okay, good :)
[15:20] <tsimonq2> thanks :)
[15:22] <dholbach> marcoceppi, I get "ERROR no environment specified" when I do "juju deploy postgresql"
[15:23] <dholbach> sorry O:-)
[15:23] <marcoceppi> dholbach: no worries, what does `juju switch` say?
[15:25] <dholbach> marcoceppi, the same
[15:25] <marcoceppi> dholbach: have you run `juju init` ?
[15:25] <marcoceppi> dholbach: is this on the jump machine or your local machine?
[15:25] <dholbach> marcoceppi, I haven't - it was not part of the README.md :)
[15:26] <marcoceppi> dholbach: hah, well you have to configure juju first
[15:26] <marcoceppi> dholbach: it assumes you've already done that
[15:26] <dholbach> ok
[15:26]  * dholbach ← new
[15:26] <marcoceppi> dholbach: no worries
[15:26] <marcoceppi> dholbach: I'll update the README to mention that
[15:26] <mhall119> dholbach: don't worry, snappy will fix it ;)
[15:26] <dholbach> mhall119, yeah :-P
[15:26] <marcoceppi> mhall119 dholbach juju 2.0 will fix this, no more configuration needed
[15:27] <marcoceppi> dholbach: once you've done that, I assume you're going to do a local deploy or a cloud deploy?
[15:27] <dholbach> marcoceppi, just local - I want to hack on it
[15:27] <marcoceppi> dholbach: cool, so you'll want to make sure `juju-local` is also installed
[15:27] <dholbach> marcoceppi, I set default: local
[15:27] <HaloSponge> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/4bhnu1/ubuntutouch_be_wholehearted_the_ports_are_coming/
[15:27] <dholbach> yep, isntalled
[15:27] <marcoceppi> dholbach: then `juju switch local` just to be sure
[15:27] <dholbach> now it wants a namespace or something
[15:28] <dholbach> config not prepared
[15:28] <marcoceppi> dholbach: wat?
[15:28] <dholbach> the error messages suck somewhat
[15:28] <dholbach> ERROR missing namespace, config not prepared
[15:28] <marcoceppi> dholbach: yeah, 2.0 is addressing that. too little too late
[15:28] <marcoceppi> dholbach: odd, I've never seen that
[15:28] <dholbach> cool
[15:28] <marcoceppi> dholbach: `juju version` says?
[15:28] <dholbach> 1.25.3-xenial-amd64
[15:29] <marcoceppi> huh
[15:29] <dholbach> I installed the ppa and upgraded
[15:29] <mhall119> HaloSponge: image doesn't match title
[15:30] <marcoceppi> dholbach: let me boot up a xenial lxd machine
[15:30] <dholbach> thanks!
[15:30] <HaloSponge> mhall119: Yes it does - its a viral advert for reddit.  You can find the name/address here: http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/node/1
[15:31] <svij> s/out/our/
[15:32] <HaloSponge> I'm diping into advirals.
[15:32]  * HaloSponge is thinking about doing a twitter business post.
[15:32] <mhall119> thanks svij
[15:32] <dholbach> davidcalle, dpm, popey: team call
[15:33] <dholbach> yo yo yo
[15:33] <popey> oh
[15:34] <dholbach> marcoceppi, bootstrap maybe?
[15:35] <mhall119> davidcalle: joining?
[15:49] <marcoceppi> dholbach: yeah
[15:50] <dholbach> ok
[15:57] <dholbach> marcoceppi, "Waiting for agent initialization to finish"
[15:58]  * dholbach twiddles thumbs
[17:08] <davidcalle> dholbach: I'll do a bit more candidates investigation tonight. Talk to you tomorrow o/
[17:08] <davidcalle> Have a nice eod folks :)
[17:09] <dholbach> you too!
[17:13]  * dholbach calls it a day too - have a good one


[22:59] <djungelkraem> musikgoat|main, poweroff or halt works too right?
[22:59] <musikgoat|main> djungelkraem: not sure specifically
[22:59] <djungelkraem> ok thx anyway :)
[23:00] <rdvon> Trying to install ubuntu, it's not showing anything at the partition step though.
[23:00] <smorken> musikgoat|main, i am using the automatic update dialog....does this mean I need to add sudo to its startup?
[23:00] <rdvon> It's blank with greyed out buttons.
[23:01] <thiebaude> rdvon: you using the live cd?
[23:01] <oskar-> djungelkraem:  see the man page of halt and reboot for function and relationship to shutdown
[23:01] <rdvon> thiebaude: yeah
[23:01] <musikgoat|main> smorken: thats the error you get?  select "check" and try again
[23:01] <vlAm> Connect now to http://www.xradio.nl:8000/listen.pls nonstop music 128kb!
[23:02] <vlAm> Connect now to http://www.xradio.nl:8000/listen.pls nonstop music 128kb!
[23:02] <FloodBot1> vlAm: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:02] <rdvon> thiebaude: I tried using gparted also, I couldn't unmount the hard drive.
[23:02] <rdvon> thiebaude: th mount point is at /cdrom which is *weird*
[23:03] <SherlawkDragon> is there a way to update my applet support?
[23:03] <oskar-> SherlawkDragon:  what is that?
[23:03] <vocal9> how come when i open conky it opens a terminal and runs shouldn't the terminal be invisible?
[23:03] <SherlawkDragon> (I shouldn't... I have the devkit...)
[23:03] <fosco_> vocal9: it depends on the config
[23:04] <vocal9> fosco_: how can i turn it off
[23:04] <fosco_> gedit ~/.conkyrc
[23:04] <cheater_> Why can no programs read my mp3's on my network computers?
[23:04] <cheater_> what is the path?
[23:04] <tc-> Found solution on forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=974723&highlight=volume+button+stuck
[23:05] <oskar-> cheater_:  do you want a program to play mp3s found on windows shares?
[23:05] <brandan> is it possible to get C++Version 5 on ubuntu 8.10
[23:06] <rdvon> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bY18C-2dexZHk--Ic3qkmA?authkey=gb8bd2gJ5N8 what's going on?
[23:06] <retro_> brandan: you mean libraries ?
[23:06] <SherlawkDragon> brandan> yes, of course
[23:06] <brandan> yes
[23:06] <thomas_1> I was wondering if I could get some help, I was messing around with my ui and I accidentally disabled the feature where if you move a window to the edge of the screen it will change workspaces - does anyone know how to enable this feature?
[23:06] <SherlawkDragon> brandan> look at the Subversions
[23:06] <brandan> they said i needed to decompile the application made by EA and recompile it
[23:07] <brandan> where do i find the subversions
[23:07] <rdvon> look at this! it's all greyed out!
[23:07] <rdvon> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jfHeHAWo8XMMpkvJDm7lLA?authkey=gb8bd2gJ5N8
[23:07] <sulan> I've just made a clean install of Intrepid Ibex and managed to connect my Mighty Mouse - it moves but it won't click!
[23:07] <rdvon> I can't install ubuntu! help!
[23:07] <cheater_> oskar-:  YESS!! YESS!!! :D
[23:07] <pozican> so I'm copying the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives to another computer - This next computer wont' have to dl any packages right?
[23:08] <SherlawkDragon> brandan> you're trying to get a Windows game to port to Linux?
[23:08] <brandan> no
[23:08] <SherlawkDragon> *program
[23:08] <brandan> Linux  Game server
[23:08] <shea279__> Anybody have any general troubelshooting steps for a Kernel Panic on startup?
[23:08] <donkehofdarkness> use opengl pls
[23:08] <brandan> ^^
[23:08] <donkehofdarkness> k thx
[23:08] <mirza__> How would I install the GTK+ Theme Engine?
[23:09] <brandan> http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=331429&rid=0http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=331429&rid=0
[23:09] <cheater_> oskar-: do you mind if I msg you?
[23:09] <brandan> http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=331429&rid=0
[23:09] <FloodBot1> brandan: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:09] <brandan> sorry
[23:09] <thomas_1> does anyone know how to fix my problem?
[23:09] <charred> Hello, I'm having trouble getting my x-fi xtremegamer sound card working. I previously had OSS4 installed, but since have tried compiling their drivers. I have tried uninstalling oss and then reinstalling the kernel. I get the following error trying to compile it http://paste.ubuntu.com/76148/. I believe it's a problem with ALSA, but I'm new to this and am not sure. Any help would be appreciated. :)
[23:09] <SherlawkDragon> anyone know where I can get the Java Applet plugin for Firefox?
[23:09] <oskar-> cheater_:  the address format used in nautilus (for browsing) and totem (for playing; there are also other apps) is smb://COMPUTER/SHARE/file.mp3 or instead of COMPUTER its ip. if you want, pm me, but i have not much time left ;)
[23:10] <brandan> SherlawkDeagon, Add / Remove Program search java
[23:11] <Asymmetry> So, I've tried to get the system working via the grub prompt, but even when I get it to boot, it fails out with the following: Gave up waiting for root device.
[23:11] <vocal9> what setting in conkyrc is if it opens terminal while its running??
[23:11] <SherlawkDragon> brandan> thanks...
[23:11] <smorken> FloodBot1 is being a jerk
[23:12] <fosco_> vocal9: go to www.gnome-look.org and pick some examples from there
[23:12] <sfears> vocal9: paste it
[23:12] <oskar-> Asymmetry:  then you should try to add a kernel parameter root=/dev/xxx or maybe UUID-based root=UUID=xxxxxx
[23:12] <brandan> SherawkDragon, No Problem
[23:12] <Asymmetry> oskar-, How do I add a kernel parameter via the grub loader prompt?
[23:12] <thomas_1> uhh, anyone? How to I enable the feature to drag windows between workspaces?
[23:12] <Asymmetry> oskar-, I've never used the prompt before.
[23:12] <Pilot_51> Checkdisk in XP spotted the same file that gave me trouble and replaced the bad clusters. :)
[23:12] <c0d3-r3d> how do i get xmms i tried to do sudo apt-get install xmms and it said it was called something else
[23:13] <richo123> Assymetry: Try the kernel parameter rootdelay=130
[23:13] <sfears> c0d3-r3d: "apt-cache search xmms"
[23:13] <rdvon> The partitioner is showing NOTHING. I can't install UBUNTU. Help! http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jfHeHAWo8XMMpkvJDm7lLA?authkey=gb8bd2gJ5N8
[23:13] <jrib> !xmms | c0d3-r3d
[23:13] <oskar-> Asymmetry:  with "kernel ..." you can give the parameters after the kernel image file like this: kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 quiet
[23:13] <jrib> rdvon: did you read the release notes?
[23:13] <rdvon> jrib: no.
[23:13] <jrib> rdvon: read them
[23:14] <brandan> Where can i find the old version of C++ V.5
[23:14] <jrib> !notes > rdvon
[23:14] <sayers> Sound works in all my apps but it does not in flash ?
[23:14] <Asymmetry> oskar-, I'm starting to think that Intrepid's handling of LVM is broken.
[23:14] <jrib> brandan: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[23:14] <oskar-> Asymmetry:  maybe, i don't know lvm ;)
[23:14] <brandan> Running a old program on linux
[23:15] <brandan> Running my linux game server with it compiled as the old C++
[23:15] <oskar-> sayers:  that will be a pulseaudio issue
[23:15] <rdvon> jrib: thanks... I think I may have screwed something up though..
[23:15] <rdvon> jrib: how do I unmount a hard drive before it boots?
[23:16] <jrib> rdvon: I don't understand what that means
[23:16] <rdvon> jrib: did you read the release notes? :P
[23:16] <jrib> rdvon: yep
[23:17] <jrib> rdvon: umount
[23:17] <rdvon> jrib: see my pm.
[23:17] <jrib> please stay in the channel
[23:17] <sayers> oskar-, okay ..
[23:17] <brandan> can anyone help?
[23:17] <rdvon> jrib: I don't want to spma.
[23:17] <rdvon> *spam
[23:17] <jrib> rdvon: you won't...
[23:18] <rdvon> jrib: I just sent you a paragraph of info.
[23:18] <jrib> rdvon: why can't you umount?
[23:18] <rdvon> it's mounted to /cdrom
[23:18] <jrib> rdvon: what is "it"?
[23:18] <rdvon> the hdd i'm trying to install to >.<
[23:18] <jrib> rdvon: why? Why do you need it mounted there?
[23:19] <rdvon> jrib: I have no clue. It won't let me unmount it though.
[23:19] <jackal> thomas_1: are you using compiz?
[23:19] <thomas_1> jackal: yeah
[23:19] <rdvon> jrib: livecd mounts it there automatically.
[23:20] <jrib> rdvon: close any terminals that you have there and any other programs using it and umount
[23:20] <jackal> thomas_1: If you go into the rotate-cube preferences, general tab, in ccsm, you can check the edge-flip move box and edge flip dnd box
[23:20] <ftehw> cat /proc/bus/input/devices shows "macintosh mouse button emulation".  Any ideas what that is and why it's there?
[23:20] <starenka> I got a strange Java bug - if the app uses GTK+ theme all words are without spaces - just one long word :(
[23:20] <jackal> thomas_1: assuming you are using rotate cube
[23:21] <gregd> hi guys, I'd like to use (in my ubuntu 8.10) kernel 2.6.28-rc8, what repository should I add to get it?
[23:21] <anorexic> hello
[23:21] <Asymmetry> There we go.
[23:21] <rdvon> jrib: "Could not unmount /dev/sda1 umount: /cdrom: device is busy.
[23:21] <rdvon>         (In some cases useful info about processes that use
[23:21] <rdvon>          the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
[23:21] <gregd> hi guys, I'd like to use (in my ubuntu 8.10) kernel 2.6.28-rc6, what repository should I add to get it?
[23:21] <Asymmetry> I had to figure out the right syntax for an LVM volume.
[23:21] <musikgoat|main> !repeat | gregd
[23:21] <anorexic> is there a way to manually triger that dialog which asks to enter password to unlock keyring?
[23:21] <demonspork> Using Ubuntu 7.10 with compiz-fusion, while using TwinView for multiple displays, when I maximize VLC for a movie, it has a border, just 6 or 7 pixels wide, where the desktop background is visible
[23:21] <demonspork> how do I fx that
[23:21] <DIFH-iceroot> gregd: there is no repo for that kernel
[23:22] <gregd> musikgoat|main: notice that my 2 question do differ ;)
[23:22] <oskar-> rdvon:  "lsof | grep cdrom" will tell you, because of what it is busy
[23:22] <thomas_1> jackal: thanks a lot!
[23:22] <jackal> thomas_1: np :)
[23:22] <rdvon> oskar: lsof: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /cow
[23:22] <rdvon>       Output information may be incomplete.
[23:22] <musikgoat|main> gregd: missed that, sorry...
[23:23] <oskar-> rdvon:  run it as root (with sudo in front)
[23:23] <andresj> audacity stops recording after one second when i have other tracks in the song; any ideas?
[23:23] <gregd> DIFH-iceroot: so where can I find repo for the latest rc kernel?
[23:23] <brandan> sudo apt-get install libstdc++5  is C++ runtime version 5 right?
[23:23] <DIFH-iceroot> gregd: kernel.org and build yourselve
[23:23] <jrib> rdvon: pastebin the output of 'mount'
[23:23] <DIFH-iceroot> brandan: apt-cache policy libstdc++5
[23:23] <cheater_> can someone please help me listen to my songs on my network with audacious. I cannot seem to locate them in any program that plays audio
[23:23] <andypls1> hey where should i go to ask my java question?
[23:23] <jrib> cheater_: checked ~/.gvfs/?
[23:24] <c0d3-r3d> xmms2 didnt install to apps :(
[23:24] <gregd> DIFH-iceroot: so is there any repo for any rc of 2.6.28 ?
[23:24] <Win2Ubuntu> hi all :-)
[23:24] <DIFH-iceroot> gregd: no as i said 2 times
[23:24] <rdvon> oskar: http://pastebin.com/m55af75d6
[23:24] <DVA5912> Anyone got any ideas why my themes are not sticking? I restart or log back in and it goes to some unkown theme that I don't even have on my pc.  the "dots" that spererate the sections on the tool bar are "raised' vertical bars.   is there a command to set the theme to "DarkLooks"?
[23:24] <Win2Ubuntu> anyone know much about the game Balazar?
[23:25] <zleap> nope
[23:25] <vocal9> noopes
[23:25] <oskar-> rdvon:  that was mainly for jrib, i think ;)
[23:25] <Win2Ubuntu> kk, its a bit of a wtf lol
[23:25] <vocal9> yes
[23:25] <rdvon> jrib: http://pastebin.com/m55af75d6
[23:26] <DVA5912> also anyone know of a game that does multiplayer+ voice comm?
[23:26] <OxDeadC0de> Dr Pepper for the masses!!! http://www.drpepper.com/freeDrPepper/
[23:26] <antoranz> guys,  I have enabled the nviia driver, but I think I'm not getting the 3d pepper from it.
[23:27] <anorexic> ubuntu 8.04 how to trigger that dialog to enter password to unlock keychain?
[23:27] <rdvon> oskar: what's your take on it.
[23:27] <ninjafury> Is it possible to extract specific files from a RAR archive?
[23:27] <ftehw> My mouse works fine unless i'm trying to use complex combinations (e.g. keyboard button + left click + right click + mouse movement).  In these complex simulateous input scenarios (often in-game) the input just gets dropped as if there was no input.  8.04 didn't seem to have this problem; the problem popped up in 8.10 upgrade.  any ideas?
[23:27] <musikgoat|main> ninjafury: yes
[23:28] <antoranz> could it be a problem with the nvidia card?
[23:28] <musikgoat|main> ninjafury: in command line right?
[23:28] <antoranz> i know there are some card the driver will not work with
[23:28] <rdvon> someone.... help....
[23:29] <cheater_> jrib: THANK YOU SO MUCH! now if I could only get my sound to work....hmm. Seemed to of stopped working after I did ran update manager
[23:29] <oskar-> rdvon:  you want to umount /cdrom, right?
[23:29] <jrib> rdvon: did you do what oskar- was saying?
[23:29] <DVA5912> cheater_: so did mine
[23:29] <vocal9> /
[23:29] <ninjafury> musikgoat|main: yeah, but here's the thing. I'm downloading a multipart rar archive. So its got 250 parts, and I've downloaded 60. I know that the file I want is in the 60 parts. Can I extract it now, or do I have to wait?
[23:29] <ftehw> antoranz: to whom were you just speaking?
[23:29] <rdvon> jrib: yeah.
[23:29] <rdvon> oskar: I can't mount /cdrom, I'm in the livecd
[23:30] <cheater_> DVA5912: hmmm...really?
[23:30] <musikgoat|main> ninjafury: thats different... not sure about that
[23:30] <jrib> rdvon: no output from lsof
[23:30] <rdvon> oskar: I don't know why /sda1 is even mounted though. :'(
[23:30] <jrib> f?
[23:30] <musikgoat|main> ninjafury: if you man rar, you can try extracting the file with this command: rar <command> [-<switch 1> -<switch N>] archive [files...]
[23:30] <billybigrigger> has anyone lost x64 flash with the new firefox 3 update the other day?
[23:30] <DVA5912> cheater_: yes, but after I rebooted it came back on..
[23:30] <rdvon> jrib: it says can't stat tmpfs filesystem /cow
[23:30] <antoranz> ftehw: whoever wants to help me
[23:31] <oskar-> rdvon:  /dev/sda1 is mounted on /cdrom, and a cd is mounted on "/media/Ubuntu 8.10 i386"
[23:31] <rdvon> I want ubuntu. :'(
[23:31] <brandan> http://ubuntu.com
[23:31] <demonspork> Using Ubuntu 7.10 with compiz-fusion, while using TwinView for multiple displays, when I fullscreen VLC for a movie, it has a border, just 6 or 7 pixels wide, where the desktop background is visible. how do I get rid of this border
[23:31] <brandan> ^^
[23:31] <ninjafury> musikgoat|main: Hmm, well I'll see if the man page has any clues
[23:31] <rdvon> oskar: yes, now how do I get it so I can format and install ubuntu?
[23:32] <musikgoat|main> ninjafury: did you get an error when running rar archivename.rar [files...]
[23:32] <oskar-> rdvon: you do not need to do that manually. the installer will ask for it and do it for you
[23:32] <cheater_> well, I'm going to try a reboot and hopefully flash will be working and my sound will be fixed!
[23:32] <musikgoat|main> ninjafury: *with the e switch
[23:32] <rdvon> oskar: the partition editor is blanked out because /dev/sda1 can't be unmounted!!!
[23:32] <oskar-> rdvon:  ah, ok
[23:33] <oskar-> rdvon: have you tried it with a sudo in fron? sudo lsof | grep sda1
[23:33] <oskar-> front
[23:33] <ninjafury> musikgoat|main: no but I'll try that now
[23:33] <rdvon> oskar: another "can't stat" error.
[23:34] <oskar-> rdvon:  quite normal... also some other output?
[23:34] <DVA5912> also anyone know of a game that does multiplayer+ voice comm?
[23:34] <anorexic> ubuntu 8.04 how to trigger that dialog to enter password to unlock keychain?
[23:34] <rdvon> fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/ubuntu/.gvfs
[23:35] <mirza__> Is there any way to resize the taskbar in Ubuntu, even though it says "Some of these properties are locked down"?
[23:35] <mirza__> Panel's I mean.
[23:35] <rdvon> oskar: fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/ubuntu/.gvfs
[23:36] <oskar-> rdvon:  like "xxxxx     1257     ubuntu  cwd    DIR   [...]"?
[23:36] <MikeH> Evening guys, I'm having issues install ubuntu on my laptop, it takes ages to get to the language selection screen, then after that, the cursor animates, and doesn't go any further
[23:36] <Slart> mirza__: properties, size doesn't work for you?
[23:36] <MikeH> any ideas?
[23:36] <rdvon> oskar: no. None of that.
[23:36] <rdvon> This is ridiculous. :'( It's a livecd install which is normally flawless!
[23:36] <oskar-> rdvon:  and you already tried a "umount /cdrom", i presume?
[23:37] <oskar-> ;-)
[23:37] <rdvon> oskar: of course.
[23:37] <rdvon> oskar: I don't know why i would want to do that if I'm installing from a livecd though :(
[23:37] <oskar-> rdvon:  what about rebooting and trying it again?
[23:37] <rdvon> oskar: only option right now.
[23:37] <cheater_> what is the easiest way in installing flash for ubuntu!?
[23:38] <oskar-> rdvon:  one time i had an error like that in the installer. most of the other times not
[23:38] <jrib> cheater_: visit http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/about/ in firefox and click on the yellow bar?
[23:38] <Slart> cheater_: go to a site that uses flash with firefox.. let it install the nonfree version when it asks
[23:38] <zetheroo> is there an IRC chat for compiz?
[23:38] <cheater_> Ah thanks guys! i've determined that its a myspace problem and now my flash player lol
[23:39] <JmCourir> any of you use VirtualBox in RDP ?
[23:39] <cheater_> jrib: My sound is not working, could you help me with this? it stopped after I ran update manager
[23:39] <DIFH-iceroot> zetheroo: #compiz-fusion i think
[23:39] <oskar-> JmCourir:  i tried it yesterday ;)
[23:39] <musikgoat|main> zetheroo: ^^ and #ubuntu-effects will take you there
[23:40] <JmCourir> oskar-:  were you using a login password to access your vbox ?
[23:40] <zetheroo> thanks
[23:40] <oskar-> JmCourir:  no, i don't think so
[23:40] <jrib> cheater_: I don't really know much about sound.  Do you have the -proposed repositories enabled by any chance/
[23:40] <JmCourir> oskar-: ok .. I can have access with NULL authentification but when I put Client or External Authentification .. I can't have access at all
[23:41] <JmCourir> oskar-: I dont know what to do
[23:41] <cheater_> jrib: That is what i'm looking at right now! How can I enable some of the key repositories?
[23:41] <cheater_> jrib: I havn't installed any rep's. This is a fresh install
[23:41] <jrib> cheater_: no no, I want to make sure you *don't* have those enabled
[23:41] <oskar-> JmCourir:  i can only guess: the client operating system will perhaps need the vbox extensions installed?
[23:42] <JmCourir> oskar-: oohhh I see
[23:42] <Ghost1227> http://scriptwiki.twilightlair.net - Code.Share.Enjoy
[23:42] <cheater_> jrib: Well, havn't enabled anything yet. I know that its an audagy creative
[23:42] <JmCourir> oskar-: so the client as to have the vbox extension .. ok .. I dont know if it is exist for OS X
[23:42] <JmCourir> oskar-: thanks for that hints
[23:43] <oskar-> JmCourir:  i also don't know. and maybe it is totally wrong. good luck
[23:43] <oskar-> and now good night!
[23:43] <JmCourir> oskar-: ok
[23:43] <bushwacker> Hello how can i get the java package that I need to use online java apps?
[23:43] <JmCourir> oskar-: Ok thanks anyway .. have a good night too
[23:44] <Zzeiss> What application should I use to duplicate a bootable DVD?
[23:44] <fosco_> Zzeiss: brasero
[23:45] <Zzeiss> fosco_: Wow.  Thanks!  (looks perfect!)
[23:45] <vocal9> lol
[23:45] <Dark_Wolf> hi. I'm in the help files, and I need to get to the network manager, which should be located at System > Administration > Network
[23:45] <Dark_Wolf> but it's not.
[23:46] <fosco_> Dark_Wolf: open a terminal and execute nm-applet
[23:46] <Dark_Wolf> just a minute...
[23:46] <Dark_Wolf> had to reboot
[23:47] <DIFH-iceroot> Dark_Wolf: on linux?
[23:47] <Dark_Wolf> yeah
[23:48] <OzFalcon> Is rebooting ANY system such a shock when it's had updated (eg kernel)
[23:48] <DIFH-iceroot> OzFalcon: its the only reason to reboot a linuxsystem
[23:48] <red_> ofh
[23:49] <OzFalcon> No it's not
[23:49] <Dark_Wolf> fosco_, it failed
[23:49] <sliverchair> how do I add an environment variable permanently?
[23:49] <OzFalcon> Anyone proficient in compiling?
[23:49] <DIFH-iceroot> sliverchair: e.g. in the bashrc
[23:50] <alex__5000> Dark_Wold you could goto System Preferences Network Connection
[23:50] <Dark_Wolf> fosco_, (nm-applet:5395): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[23:50] <OzFalcon> I am tryingto compile and says tcl.h is not found (locate finds it).
[23:50] <vocal9> its lost it seems
[23:50] <sliverchair> DIFH-iceroot: what's the difference with /etc/environment?
[23:50] <kc8pxy> !grub | kc8pxy
[23:50] <Dark_Wolf> alex__5000: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/internet/C/modem-connect.html
[23:51] <DIFH-iceroot> sliverchair: bashrc is only for the current user
[23:51] <DIFH-iceroot> sliverchair: environment is global
[23:51] <RomD> is there any disadvantage if I store my audio and video files on a ntfs partition instead of ext3?
[23:51] <coskund> selam
[23:51] <OzFalcon> RomD, Fragmentation
[23:51] <DIFH-iceroot> RomD: no, not really, ntfs-3g is working very good
[23:51] <RomD> and besides fragmentation?
[23:53] <RomD> I would only use it for storage. I'm gonna use a dual boot vista/ubuntu system, so ntfs would be better unless there is a reason to go with ext3 (except fragmentation)
[23:53] <OzFalcon> RomD Yes one other.
[23:54] <cheater_> Can someone please help me with my sound issue?
[23:54] <OzFalcon> RomD, Can't remember what it's called.
[23:54] <temppy> journaling?
[23:54] <musikgoat|main> RomD: ntfs-3g has been really stable and useful in my opinion as a shared filesystem
[23:54] <OzFalcon> RomD, Yes thats it.
[23:54] <hmw_> what kernel parameter prevents X to be loaded?
[23:54] <RomD> ok, sounds good. thanks
[23:55] <OzFalcon> Is Journaling up to scratch in NTFS?
[23:55] <mattfletcher> Hello I have an Intel Mobile 915GM graphics card and since I upgraded to Ibex my compiz doesn't work. Trying to change the settings in the prefs > appearance panel just gives the message "desktop effects could not be enabled". Any ideas folks?
[23:55]  * Dark_Wolf repeats his question since fosco_ has been lost
[23:55] <Dark_Wolf> hi. I'm in the help files, and I need to get to the network manager, which should be located at System > Administration > Network, but it's not. nm-applet also fails to function/
[23:56] <Dark_Wolf> help files was unnecessary...
[23:56] <temppy> mattfletcher: have you checked the release notes?
[23:56] <OzFalcon> Dark_Wolf, Version ubuntu?
[23:56] <hmw_> what kernel boot param do i need to get only a console login? my x crashes the machine due to a bad config
[23:56] <sliverchair> DIFH-iceroot: thanks, I added an export command at the end
[23:56] <RomD> NTFS-3G does not yet support full NTFS journaling, so unexpected computer crashes or power loss can leave the file system in an inconsistent state.
[23:56] <RomD> according to wikipedia
[23:56] <temppy> Dark_Wolf: pastebin any errors please
[23:56] <CelticLord> nuit!!
[23:57] <temppy> RomD: you can't use ext3 with windows anyway...
[23:57] <OzFalcon> RomD, So use at your own risk. If powerfail or somehting bad, You may corupt entire filesystem
[23:57] <alex__5000> Dark_Wolf: Did you recently upgrade to intrepid?
[23:58] <zbyszek> hi how can i add pernamentally kernel module?
[23:58] <zbyszek> i dont want to run modprobe every time after boot
[23:58] <musikgoat|main> hmw_: try init 2
[23:58] <retro_> wikipedia is full of bullshits and ext3 you can use on windows
[23:58] <retro_> with special drivers
[23:58] <OzFalcon> how do I make tcl.h visible to my make?
[23:59] <hmw_> musikgoat|main didnt do
[23:59] <hmw_> tried "single" "s" and "su" also.. what is single user mode?
[23:59] <jgb> on intrepid, why does ubuntu-minimal depend on ntpdate?  ntpd is a better choice than ntpdate.
[23:59] <hmw_> musikgoat|main ah -there is a repair mode in the grub menu... darn stupid sry *g*
[23:59] <EJ> OzFalcon: what are you trying to do ?


[07:08] <cpaelzer_> Hi - if someone could hand me over the ownership of https://launchpad.net/mdevctl I could set that it is LGPL2.1 or someone that can might please just set that?
[09:15] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: Please use the support link in the topic
[09:28] <cpaelzer> done cjwatson https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/698598
[17:08] <laney> I'm trying to give someone push permissions to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+git/appstream-cloud - could someone remind me where I can find the UI for that please? :(
[17:09] <laney> ah, sorry, do I have to protect the branch and then add permissions under that?
[17:14] <laney> looks like it, never mind the noise
[17:20] <cjwatson> laney: ... yes, that
[18:05] <krisives> Is there a way in Launchpad to provide limited permissions for pushing to a PPA? eg. can I give a developer the permission to write just a single package to a PPA and not modify others?
[18:46] <ddstreet> is lplibrarian down? i'm getting 503's
[20:55] <cjwatson> krisives: Yes, though it's not exposed in the UI; the edit-acl tool in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools can do it
[20:55] <cjwatson> ddstreet: PS5 RadosGW outage, apparently fixed now


[03:03] <tsimonq2> jbicha: Congrats on becoming a Core Dev :)
[12:12] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, congrats!!!
[21:06] <Unit193> mdeslaur: I presume you saw https://bugs.debian.org/864400 / CVE-2017-9469 / CVE-2017-9468?  I prepped the artful upload, but it's a simple merge there (https://sigma.unit193.net/source/irssi_1.0.3-1ubuntu1.dsc)
[22:14] <mdeslaur> Unit193: I've got irssi packages in the security team ppa for publishing on monday
[22:15] <mdeslaur> Unit193: did you upload to artful, or do you need sponsoring or something?
[22:16] <Unit193> mdeslaur: Figured you'd be quick on it, but didn't see it either.  Sounds good.  That was just in case you hadn't gotten to it yet, I didn't push it (well, can't anyway, not a core dev.)
[23:03] <nacc> mwhudson: have you ever seen: LP: #1568902 ?
[23:11] <roaksoax> does anyone know what will the default python3 be for 17.10 ?
[23:11] <roaksoax> nacc: ^^ you mabe ?
[23:11] <roaksoax> maybe*
[23:18] <nacc> roaksoax: i don't know officially, but i think we're in the middle of the python3.6 transition
[23:38] <roaksoax> nacc: thanks!
[23:59] <Logan> xnox: are we bumping OpenSSL in Artful?


[08:31] <davidcalle> I wish I knew what the heck is going on with d.u.c db, moving a page just took me 1h to get right. And the cache is still going crazy.
[11:13] <dholbach> davidcalle, shit :-/
[11:15] <dholbach> davidcalle, can we run manage.py cms {delete_orphaned_plugins|fix-tree} on production?
[11:16] <dholbach> "cms check" maybe too
[12:53] <davidcalle> dholbach: we can ask for someone in #webops to run these, yes
[12:53] <dholbach> that might be worth a try


[00:34] <dobey> Acou_Bass: no ports get OTAs unless the developers set up system-image servers (ie, like ubports does)
[00:34] <dobey> Acou_Bass: but the official "OTA 13" sort of thing doesn't happen for unofficial devices
[00:51] <Acou_Bass> ahh right
[11:15] <adr41n> hi everyone, newbie to this channel ...
[11:16] <adr41n> an LXD/Ubuntu IDE problem
[11:16] <adr41n> I have a an LXD/Ubuntu IDE problem
[11:16] <adr41n> ( That's better )
[11:18] <adr41n> I install Ubuntu-SDK-IDE, run Ubuntu IDE from the icon
[11:18] <adr41n> I get a box that says "The container backend is not completely initialized. Create Default configuration"
[11:18] <adr41n> I click Yes
[11:18] <adr41n> enter root password
[11:18] <adr41n> and this time it works ......
[11:19] <adr41n> I've tried this at least 30 time and 5 times today
[11:19] <adr41n> never worked, come and here and it's fine ....
[11:19] <adr41n> Ah well thanks for the spiritual non present help ;-)
[14:46] <mterry> bfiller: I'm testing clock and calculator apps from edge in our u8 snap.  Clock has icon, calculator doesn't.  Neither launch (I think because they don't include mir qt backend?)  Looking into why there
[14:46] <mterry> bfiller: but they show up in scope!  Which is progress  :)
[14:48] <bfiller> mterry, do snaps actually launch now from within the snap? I haven't tried since early friday..
[14:49] <mterry> bfiller: yeah sorta.  Some can (inkscape), so the general idea is sound.  But it seems like a lot of unity7-targetted snaps don't bundle in a Mir backend (only X backends), so they abort during launch.
[14:49] <bfiller> mterry, interesting
[14:49] <mterry> Including, I'm guessing, clock and calc
[14:49] <bfiller> right
[14:49] <mterry> looking into best temporary fix until our snaps just target u8 instead
[14:50] <bfiller> mterry, maybe the launcher wrapper could include what is neccessary? renato__ mirv ^^^
[14:51] <renato__> mterry, do we have a unity8 plug?
[14:52] <mterry> renato__: no
[14:52] <mterry> let me finish debugging this, might not even be mir backend.  Looks like maybe libertine is involved
[14:52] <mterry> renato__: well...  I'm not sure.  I didn't think so?
[14:53] <attente> kenvandine: hi! do you have time to look at content-hub-glib today? i uploaded the xenial gtk it works with here: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/ubuntu/gtk-mir
[14:53] <renato__> mterry, ok. I believe platform has the necessary mir libraries
[14:53] <kenvandine> attente, sorry... been consumed by other work
[14:53] <kenvandine> attente, i will test it today :)
[14:54] <attente> kenvandine: no worries, thanks!
[15:31] <mterry> barry: if I set PYTHONHOME=$SNAP/usr inside a snap that includes python3 and modules, would that work like I expect?  (it doesn't seem to be picking it up, and I'm trying to figure out why)
[15:32] <kenvandine> attente, i'm not seeing any calls to the content-hub-service when copying
[15:33] <kenvandine> and i can't paste the text copied in gedit to anything including back to gedit
[15:34] <barry> mterry: what actually happens?  is it completely ignored?  i know that if i run `PYTHONHOME=/some/bogus/path python3` i get the fatal exit i expect
[15:34] <mterry> barry: just tested, it does work.  Something else is breaking me...
[15:34] <barry> mterry: ack
[15:35] <brunch875> how could I go about launching a cli program from the terminal to circunvent the lifecycle?
[15:36] <brunch875> can I do some nohup shenanigans?
[15:38] <mterry> tedg: so I think some of the xmir apps can't launch because of a python import issue with libertine: ImportError: cannot import name 'LibertineApplication'
[15:38] <attente> kenvandine: not sure what's happening, let me spin up a fresh vm to try
[15:38] <kenvandine> attente, thx
[15:39] <mterry> tedg: not sure why -- I've set PYTHONHOME correctly (tested it manually on console).  Something inside our snap is unsetting that env maybe?
[15:39] <kenvandine> attente, i do see this now in .xsession-errors
[15:39] <kenvandine> (gedit:22371): Gdk-WARNING **: Ignoring unknown Mir event 8
[15:39] <mterry> tedg: this is inside our snap too, btw.  xmir-helper launching libertine-launch
[15:40] <tedg> mterry: Yup, on it. It's basically because we're going in and out of the snap and loosing the environment.
[15:40] <mterry> tedg: ah that's your legacy-exec bits?  cool
[15:41] <attente> kenvandine: don't think that should affect it
[15:41] <mterry> tedg: though this isn't an legacy app
[15:41] <kenvandine> attente, actually that was from the upstart log
[15:41] <mterry> I guess xmir-helper is
[15:41] <tedg> mterry: Yeah, but we need the helpers. And those are the problem.
[15:41] <kenvandine> nothing interesting in .xsession-errors
[15:42] <tedg> mterry: The legacy ones should work now because of that change, but that broke the snaps.
[17:55] <taiebot> Hey managed to reproduce this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1640936 i  renamed it  and changed its description
[17:55] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1640936 in Canonical System Image "Rotating the phone can hide the dash calendar" [Undecided,In progress]
[18:21] <attente> kenvandine: hey, i'm having trouble install u8 in a vm because libcontent-hub0 depends on libqt5core5a which isn't new enough (5.5.1+dfsg-16ubuntu7.2 < 5.6.0~beta) and libubuntu-app-launch3 has no installation candidate
[18:21] <kenvandine> attente, you need the stable overlay ppa
[18:25] <attente> ok, thanks
[18:39] <attente> kenvandine: ok, so bad news is i can't seem to get u8 running at all on a xenial vm...
[18:39] <kenvandine> :/
[18:47] <kenvandine> attente, i have it all running here, what can i do to debug it?
[18:48] <kenvandine> attente, oh... whoops
[18:48] <kenvandine> it didn't install gtk from your ppa
[18:48] <attente> ho
[18:49] <attente> oh
[18:49] <attente> lol. i hope that's the problem!
[18:50] <seb128> kenvandine, stop trolling the poor attente there ;-)
[18:51] <kenvandine> seb128, :-D
[18:51] <kenvandine> attente, so copy is working
[18:51] <kenvandine> i can't paste into gedit though
[18:51] <seb128> improvement!
[18:51] <attente> lol
[18:52] <kenvandine> indeed
[18:52] <kenvandine> right click in gedit causes it to crash :)
[18:53] <attente> did you use ctrl+v too?
[18:53] <kenvandine> i do see calls to GetLatestPasteData in the service log file
[18:53] <kenvandine> no, ctrl-v and ctrl-c both seem to do nothing
[18:53] <kenvandine> i can copy using the menu though
[18:53] <kenvandine> and paste it in other apps
[18:53] <kenvandine> just can't paste into gedit
[18:54] <kenvandine> anyway, i think it proves the glib bindings are working :)
[18:54] <attente> heh
[18:55] <kenvandine> attente, the call to GetLatestPasteData isn't when clicking paste though
[18:56] <kenvandine> i think that might be from qtubuntu
[18:56] <attente> kenvandine: yeah. it should be calling that when the menu opens to determine whether to enable/disable to menu option
[18:56] <kenvandine> now gedit crashed just on alt-tab
[18:58] <attente> kenvandine: are you using a vm for testing xenial?
[18:58] <kenvandine> nope
[18:58] <kenvandine> laptop
[19:13] <kenvandine> attente, ctrl-v does actually paste... it just makes gedit hang for 30 seconds or so first
[19:14] <attente> kenvandine: time for a new laptop? ;)
[19:14] <kenvandine> same thing pasting from the menu
[19:14] <kenvandine> at least 30 seconds
[19:15] <kenvandine> doing stuff with gedit in that time causes it to crash
[19:15] <attente> kenvandine: ok, i know what codepath that is, but i'm not sure why it's happening there
[19:16] <kenvandine> i just timed it (roughly) 38 seconds
[19:16] <kenvandine> but it worked :)
[19:18] <kenvandine> attente, it requests the paste immediately
[19:18] <kenvandine> so i think the content-hub side is good
[19:19] <attente> ok, i'll have to look into the gtk-side more i guess
[19:19] <kenvandine> attente, is there a way for me to adjust the scaling for gtk apps?
[19:20] <kenvandine> gedit is very hard to use on my hidpi screen
[19:20] <attente> kenvandine: under u8?
[19:20] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:20] <kenvandine> i can hack libertine-xmir to do that
[19:23] <attente> yeah, sorry. i don't think there's a way...
[19:47] <dobey> kenvandine: you need to get the grid units value (or DPI if possible) from mir, and set the appropriate DPI value for the X server when xmir starts
[19:48] <dobey> kenvandine: and maybe change the gtk+ scaling value in gsettings if needed
[20:58] <kenvandine>  attente: i have a branch that fixes the glib_test test
[20:58] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/content-hub-glib-dbus_test_runner
[20:59] <kenvandine> if you merge that in and then make your MR prereq on lp:~ken-vandine/content-hub/dbus_test_runner
[20:59] <kenvandine> we'll be good to go
[21:00] <attente> kenvandine: awesome, thanks :)
[21:00] <kenvandine> attente, no problem
[21:00] <kenvandine> let me know when you resubmit it and i'll get the silo all synced up and rebuilt
[21:06] <attente> kenvandine: did the method of running the tests change?
[21:06] <kenvandine> sort of
[21:07] <kenvandine> i moved the dbus-test-runner bit into the build
[21:07] <kenvandine> instead of in debian/rules
[21:07] <attente> ah, i see
[21:07] <attente> README should probably be updated too
[21:08] <kenvandine> lol
[21:08] <kenvandine> haven't looked at the README in ages :)
[21:08] <kenvandine> sorry
[21:18] <attente> :)
[21:20] <attente> kenvandine: ok, it's resubmitted: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/content-hub/content-hub-glib/+merge/311436
[21:21] <kenvandine> attente, thx
[21:22] <kenvandine> attente, whoops... that makes your MR empty
[21:23] <kenvandine> attente, you should merge my branch into yours then resubmit it with a prereq on lp:~ken-vandine/content-hub/dbus_test_runner
[21:23] <attente> kenvandine: oh. that's what i did...
[21:23] <kenvandine> your prereq is wrong
[21:25] <attente> it says "Prerequisite:	lp:~ken-vandine/content-hub/content-hub-glib-dbus_test_runner"
[21:25] <attente> hmm.. what went wrong here...
[21:25] <kenvandine> should be ~ken-vandine/content-hub/dbus_test_runner
[21:26] <attente> oh... sorry. at some points the words just kind of mush together...
[21:27] <kenvandine> indeed
[21:27] <attente> ok, hope it's alright now
[21:34] <kenvandine> attente, much better, thx
[21:37] <kenvandine> attente, ok... weird now it conflicts with my dbus_test_runner branch
[21:37] <kenvandine> which i had merged already
[21:37] <kenvandine> attente, please try merging lp:~ken-vandine/content-hub/dbus_test_runner into your branch
[21:37] <attente> ok
[21:37] <kenvandine> the MR doesn't show a conflict
[21:37] <kenvandine> but bileto does
[21:38] <attente> hmm, i just go "Nothing to do."
[21:39] <kenvandine> that's what i would expect
[21:39] <kenvandine> weird
[21:39] <kenvandine> Text conflict in tests/acceptance-tests/CMakeLists.txt
[21:40] <attente> do you want me to try re-submitting fresh again?
[21:40] <kenvandine> not yet
[21:40] <kenvandine> the MR looks fine... not sure why bileto is doing this
[21:46] <kenvandine> attente, ok... i changed the order of the branches, can you please merge this into yours?
[21:46] <kenvandine> ~ken-vandine/content-hub/clean_glib_branch
[21:47] <kenvandine> attente, that includes latest trunk too
[21:48] <attente> ok, merged and pushed
[21:48] <kenvandine> thx
[21:51] <kenvandine> attente, LP hates me... failed again but this time it was a 503 error from LP :/
[21:51] <attente> :(
[21:51]  * kenvandine clicks again
[21:52] <kenvandine> grr Text conflict in tests/acceptance-tests/CMakeLists.txt
[21:52]  * kenvandine does a diff
[21:53] <kenvandine>  0 files changed
[21:53] <kenvandine> wtf
[21:55] <attente> i can try a fresh one if you want
[21:57] <kenvandine> attente, yeah, fresh branch of trunk, merge my dbus_test_runner branch then merge your branch
[21:57] <kenvandine> we've angered bzr :)
[21:58] <attente> :)
[21:58] <attente> kenvandine: do i need your clean_glib_branch too?
[21:58] <kenvandine> nope
[21:59] <kenvandine> you should get a conflict which will be easy to resolve
[22:07] <attente> kenvandine: should i still add your branch as prereq?
[22:08]  * attente doesn't really understand what prereq does if the branch is already merged in
[22:08] <kenvandine> yes
[22:08] <kenvandine> it means it doesn't include my branch in the diff for your MR
[22:09] <kenvandine> but requires my branch to landing
[22:09] <kenvandine> s/to/for/
[22:10] <attente> ahhhhh