[10:34] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[10:35] <Kilos> read http://www.radianthealthstrategies.com/healing_power_of_salt.php


[00:31] <xubuntu985> This is a test---please disregard.
[00:49] <zacwalls> okay now how do i do a fresh install of 14.04.1 i dont really know how to do one but i kind of do. i know i need a stick wich i have on hand but...i dont know what to do after that.
[00:53] <zacwalls> okay now how do i do a fresh install of 14.04.1 i dont really know how to do one but i kind of do. i know i need a stick wich i have on hand but...i dont know what to do after that.
[01:28] <like2omg> Hello. I have been having an issue reinstalling Xubuntu 14.04 for dual-boot on my ASUS laptop. EFI/legacy doesn't matter. Chokes right after GRUB2 downloads, during its install.
[01:29] <like2omg> My laptop is (U)EFI style with GPT partition table. Windows 8.1 is currently happy to run in legacy mode.
[01:30] <like2omg> My method of installation is USB as I don't have any DVDs nor access to plug directly into the router/modem (defeats alternate/mini installation method).
[01:32] <like2omg> I also don't know how to remaster (correct terminology?) an .iso via. Windows 8.1. Any help greatly appreciated (and thanks to all people involved in Xubuntu, creating it, or even providing support!)
[02:26] <Kekai> Hello
[02:26] <Kekai> I just downloaded and installed the palemoon browser, just coming off google chrome, I was wondering if there was a way to get rid of the title bar at the top for more screen space
[02:30] <ObrienDave> i think, Window Manager Tweaks, Accessibility tab, hide frame of window when maximized. iirc
[02:35] <xangua> https://addons.mozilla.org/es/firefox/addon/hide-caption-titlebar-plus-sma/
[02:35] <Kekai> I tried that
[02:36] <Kekai> It doesnt seem to work now
[02:36] <Kekai> it did for 2 days
[04:17] <MFranciscoG> some of you speak spanish?
[04:17] <cfhowlett> !es
[04:19] <ObrienDave> MFranciscoG, most of us do speak english. your support question?
[04:19] <xubuntu554> I just installed Xubuntu 14.04 32 bit on my old DELL LATITUDE 600 laptop. I can search Wireless network but cannot connect to home wifi. It finds my home wifi but giving error when I enter password. can someone help?? need wifi connectivity as the first step. intel pro wireless adapter is installed on the system and I can see drivers also installed.
[04:20] <holstein> xubuntu554: i would just remove the access point from the list.. sounds like you just have a password issue.. i have also had keyboard issues there at that stage that i assumed were wifi issues
[04:22] <xubuntu554> I have windows laptop and macbook as well. tested on both by removing wireless and connecting back using same password. no issue and directly connected. but not on this laptop.
[04:22] <xubuntu554> how to remove access point from the list ?
[04:23] <holstein> xubuntu554: sure.. im saying, you have put the password in incorrectly once, and thats causing the issue. or, the number lock or something on the keyboard..
[04:23] <holstein> xubuntu554: i right click on the connection manage and view connections and remove past attempts..
[04:23] <xubuntu554> not password issue as I can read the password when I enter. there is an option to check to view the password when I enter
[04:24] <holstein> !wifi | xubuntu554
[04:24] <holstein> xubuntu554: then, wire up, and make sure you have all updates applied.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:25] <xubuntu554> did that step
[04:25] <holstein> xubuntu554: that step? what step?
[04:25] <holstein> xubuntu554: you have checked for and applied all upgrades? and rebooted into the latest kernel?
[04:25] <xubuntu554> connected to wired network and installed all the updates
[04:25] <xubuntu554> installed updates by searching in software updates. not upgrade.
[04:26] <holstein> xubuntu554: i would confirm that my hardware is working properly.. i would try other live CD's or supported operating systems.. i would try doing *exactly* what i suggested above if you feel you have not installed all upgrades
[04:27] <xubuntu554> I had Windows XP before on this and wireless was working on that.
[04:28] <xubuntu554> it is just after installing Xubuntu, here it is not connecting.
[04:29] <xubuntu554> I believe hardware is working as the wireless networks are detecting. it is just when I enter password, it is not connecting and asking for password again.
[04:29] <xubuntu554> is there any logs that I can review and see if any errors generating?
[04:30] <holstein> xubuntu554: try and be certain.. if you "believe", just try and isolate that and test.. with a live CD or supported operating system
[04:31] <xubuntu554> ok will check out with live CD or other OS. Thanks.
[04:32] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/258616/how-can-i-debug-my-wireless-problem
[04:32] <holstein> though, i think your issue is going to come down to something much simpler.. feel free and try #ubuntu as well cheers and good luck
[04:33] <xubuntu554> Ubuntu is making laptop too slow as It has only 1 GB RAM. but Xubuntu is working fine so far except this wireless connection
[04:33] <xubuntu554> checking the link which you just sent
[04:34] <holstein> xubuntu554: xubuntu *is* ubuntu, friend.. im suggesting trying #ubuntu , the channel..
[04:34] <xubuntu554> hmmm k.
[04:35] <holstein> xubuntu554: has the device *ever* worked in linux?
[04:36] <xubuntu554> yes I had installed CentOS last year and it was working. after that had XP on that till yesterday when I installed Xubuntu.
[04:37] <xubuntu554> I ran this command: dmesg | grep <your module>
[04:37] <xubuntu554> I can see message : fatal interrupt. Scheduling firmware restart
[04:38] <holstein> ok.. you can try a more populous channel, such as #ubuntu, where someone may be able to look at a paste of that and help.. otherwise, i personally  try live CD's til something supports the hardware, and im sure its functioning.. then, i'll just swap chips out if needed..
[04:39] <xubuntu554> k
[06:30] <xubuntu042> hello every
[06:31] <xubuntu042> how can i fix chromium tab list Garbled
[06:31] <xubuntu042> hello every,,'
[06:32] <xubuntu042> how can i fix chromium tab list Garbled
[06:33] <xubuntu042> hello anyone in there
[06:35] <cfhowlett> xubuntu042, you are seen
[06:47] <james0r2> xubuntu042, perhaps be more specific with your description of the problem and/or provide a screenshot of the issue.
[07:32]  * ObrienDave drums fingers
[07:54] <samwisegamgee> What are the xubuntu-restricted extras used for?  What purpose do they serve?
[07:54] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, stop playing.  as we told you in the main channel several times ... all this was explained an hour ago.
[07:54] <ObrienDave> !crosspost | samwisegamgee
[07:55] <samwisegamgee> Ok, I will google, "xubuntu-restricted extras" and see what I find, since you have no knowledge of those extras
[07:55] <cfhowlett> ... lol
[07:56] <ObrienDave> samwisegamgee, no, we have no interest in helping you because you DON'T listen
[07:56] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, no no - let him throw his passive-aggressive insults
[07:57] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, ok, my bad, sorry, snark away ;P
[07:57] <samwisegamgee> I reviewed your instructions with respect to xubuntu restricted extras, and it appears that they serve no useful purpose.  However, I think the Synaptic Package Manager is useful
[07:57] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, so your probllem is solved then?  good work!
[07:58] <samwisegamgee> I am still going to google "xubuntu-restricted-extras" to reinforce my decision about their being useless
[07:59] <ObrienDave> have fun
[08:27] <samwisegamgee> Does anyone know how to use APT?
[08:27] <knome> samwisegamgee, ask the real question and let's find out.
[08:28] <samwisegamgee> It's called Advanced Package Tool
[08:28] <samwisegamgee> I'm using Xubuntu 14.04, so does that mean it's already built into my system?
[08:28] <knome> yes.
[08:29] <samwisegamgee> Ok, how come I can't find it anywhere?
[08:29] <knome> samwisegamgee, unless you don't have a real support question, please stop messing around.
[08:29] <ObrienDave> you run it with the command apt-get
[08:29] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, given your history, you really should stop
[08:30] <samwisegamgee> I cann only find Ubuntu Software Centre
[08:30] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, but if you actually want to learn, open a terminal, enter this command: man apt                      READ the information
[08:30] <samwisegamgee> ok
[08:31] <cfhowlett> !manual | samwisegamgee
[08:31] <samwisegamgee> thanks
[08:44] <samwisegamgee> Does anyone know how to use the Software Updater?
[08:44] <samwisegamgee> For Xubuntu 14.04
[08:45] <samwisegamgee> The ubuntu channel doen't know anything about the Software Updater, apparently, I already asked
[08:46] <samwisegamgee> Is there another channel to get information on the software Updater for Xubuntu?
[08:48] <bazhang> samwisegamgee, its the same as ubuntu, apart from the GUI on top
[08:48] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, same process, different look.  xubuntu = ubuntu
[08:49] <samwisegamgee> can you send me a link for a tutorial on using the ubuntu software updater?
[08:49] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, read the Ubuntu Manual for same
[08:50] <samwisegamgee> from the terminal?
[08:50] <cfhowlett> !manual
[08:50] <bazhang> !apt-get | samwisegamgee
[08:51] <samwisegamgee> that's the wrong manual, I'm not using Uubntu 13.10
[08:51] <bazhang> read all about apt-get there samwisegamgee
[08:51] <bazhang> samwisegamgee, nothing's changed that much
[08:51] <bazhang> samwisegamgee, like I just said read the info on apt-get I just gave you
[08:51] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, few changes = still valid
[08:52] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates
[08:52] <samwisegamgee> Will that manual help me to choose the right categories for Ubuntu software updater?
[08:52] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, just leave the defaults in most cases works fine
[08:52] <bazhang> you want "from the command line" samwisegamgee <-----> apt-get is the one you want , the link I just gave you. take some time to read the links we've already given you, which is quite a few.
[08:53] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, in other words ... nothing to choose.  don't mess with until you know what you're doing
[08:54] <samwisegamgee> there is nothing in that manual about Canonical Partners, I'll check the other manual
[08:55] <samwisegamgee> should I look for Canonical partners in the Index?
[08:55] <bazhang> samwisegamgee, have you already finished the apt-get stuff?
[08:56] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, asking the questions you actually are seeking answers to would help.  read the index
[08:56] <samwisegamgee> No, I am still trying to figure out how to user the software updater
[08:56] <samwisegamgee> I am looking for information on Canonical partners
[08:56] <bazhang> samwisegamgee, and we have given you links explaining exactly that, several of them
[08:57] <samwisegamgee> to see if I need to check them in my software updater
[08:57] <bazhang> !partner | samwisegamgee
[08:57] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, it's a huge waste of time to keep asking questions and then refuse to read the informative information provided.  suggest your stop doing that.
[08:57] <samwisegamgee> I am reading the manuals
[08:58] <samwisegamgee> I am looking in the index for Canonical Partners
[08:58] <zacwalls> 7 hrs now i have been trying to get help
[08:59] <cfhowlett> zacwalls, for instant support, go to canonical and pay.  for support from the volunteers here, follow the guidelines and be patient
[08:59] <zacwalls> i have done all of that friend
[08:59] <bazhang> zacwalls, have you been crossposting in multiple channels?
[09:00] <samwisegamgee> they don't like when we do that
[09:00] <zacwalls> okay sure
[09:00] <bazhang> so whats the question then zacwalls
[09:01] <samwisegamgee> is there a canonical channel here?
[09:01] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, nope.
[09:02] <samwisegamgee> looks like there is a private one, but it's restricted
[09:02] <knome> samwisegamgee, unless you have a real support question and are willing to read the answer people give you, please leave
[09:03] <samwisegamgee> ok, I'll just spend a few hours reading the manuals instead of looking for quick solutions to my problems.
[09:03] <knome> samwisegamgee, have fun.
[09:03] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, good move.  enjoy the learning.
[09:04] <samwisegamgee> I should get the book, reading a manual on a computer screen for three hours is taxing on the eyes
[09:05] <knome> samwisegamgee, this is not a general chatter channel, so please stop posting irrelevant comments (especially as you are told to do so several times)
[09:07] <nomic> wow ... the robot
[09:07] <cfhowlett> nomic, ???
[09:07] <zacwalls> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7968696/
[09:07] <samwisegamgee> I asked one simple question about the software updater, and I always get the same answer: don't ask us, spend a few hours reading the manuals, then figure out your own answer
[09:07] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, right.  so stop posting, go learning.
[09:08] <nomic> i love xubuntu man *choke*
[09:08] <nomic> its beautiful
[09:08] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, or, pay for support from canonical.  every one of learns to manage their machine.  if you don't want to do that, you really should consider a different OS
[09:09] <cfhowlett> nomic, please ask your *buntu support question.  for general chitchat: #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:09] <nomic> i jus tgot told not to ask a support question in xubuntyy-offtopic .. now you do this to me
[09:09] <nomic> bbl
[09:10] <samwisegamgee> Ok, I will leave Canonical unchecked for now in my software updater, then spend a few hours reading the manuals
[09:10] <kj4> i got kicked out of ubuntu-offtopic once
[09:10] <zacwalls> that was my question
[09:10] <knome> kj4, that's not the place to discuss that.
[09:10] <nomic> lol
[09:11] <knome> zacwalls, looks like your DNS servers aren't working.
[09:11] <kj4> they said I was "ontopic"  sheesh
[09:11] <zacwalls> i use a eth0 network
[09:12] <nomic> why does it say that only root can do "mount -t tmpfs -o size=256M tmpfs /tmp/ramdisk/"
[09:12] <zacwalls> irrelevance i know
[09:12] <nomic> its just a  simple mount .. is it because its tmpfs?
[09:12] <zacwalls> what do i do?
[09:12] <kj4> nomic: put sudo in front of that
[09:12] <nomic> i know this .. but why does it require sudo
[09:13] <kj4> mount req's root
[09:13] <knome> nomic, i believe so.
[09:13] <nomic> my other mount (filing system) does not require 'root'
[09:13] <nomic> mount does not require root
[09:13] <kj4> what is it mounting?
[09:13] <nomic> ok thanks knome
[09:14] <zacwalls> any suggestions?
[09:14] <nomic>  "mount -t tmpfs -o size=256M tmpfs /tmp/ramdisk/"
[09:14] <knome> nomic, you can add it to fstab with the user option and you should be able to mount it as a regular user
[09:14] <nomic> i can do that from fstab?
[09:14] <nomic> so I allocate ramdisk using a startup
[09:14] <nomic> or on startup .. then it'll fstab mount it
[09:14] <Unit193> 'mount -a` can be run as user and will mount all things in fstab.
[09:14] <knome> sure, i see no reason why you couldn't do that
[09:15] <nomic> thanks
[09:15] <nomic> want a ramdisk on bootup
[09:15] <nomic> mounted
[09:15] <cfhowlett> !paste
[09:15] <nomic> i can see that being problematic as I have to run a script to create the ramdisk before it gets  to fstab
[09:15] <zacwalls> no ubuntu 14.04 for me.
[09:16] <knome> zacwalls, try running 'do-release-upgrade -d'
[09:16] <zacwalls> oksy
[09:16] <zacwalls> same
[09:17] <knome> zacwalls, the upgrade script isn't even trying to upgrade to trusty, it is trying to get the quantal update which obviously *shouldn't* be available because it's EOL
[09:17] <zacwalls> okay well i have been trying to do a fresh install all day.
[09:18] <cfhowlett> zacwalls, get the 14.04.1 torrent and clean install.  if you have your home set in its own partition, you'll be able to keep your data
[09:18] <zacwalls> your little op kicked me from #ubuntu
[09:18] <cfhowlett> zacwalls, he's not my op and he had reason.
[09:19] <zacwalls> he thought he had one
[09:19] <cfhowlett> zacwalls, suggest you stay on topic here ...
[09:19] <zacwalls> sure
[09:20] <zacwalls> so i cant boot the iso from anything
[09:20] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | zacwalls, verify the ISO, verify the USB
[09:21] <zacwalls> i did and it verified and everything, still cant boot.
[09:21] <cfhowlett> zacwalls, what error message?
[09:21] <zacwalls> there wasnt one
[09:21] <samwisegamgee> you got any other manuals I can read through to learn more about the Canonical Partners?
[09:22] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, look on the canonical site
[09:22] <cfhowlett> www.canonical.com
[09:22] <samwisegamgee> there was no useful informattion abgout the Canonical Partners from the manuals you linked me to
[09:22] <samwisegamgee> ok, thannks
[09:24] <zacwalls> there was a user and his nick was somthing like alfonsojonny_ you would help me by reviewing the logs and telling me his nick,
[09:25] <samwisegamgee> It looks like the Canonical partners are reliable, well at least some of them, does that mean it's ok to check them off in my updater?
[09:25] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, yes, it's OK
[09:26] <zacwalls> still need help
[09:26] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, for in depth ubuntu user mastery and information:  http://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-8th/dp/013390539X/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1407317087&sr=1-4&keywords=ubuntu+user
[09:27] <samwisegamgee> great, I just spent an hour going to links, looking up indexes and manuals for something that would normally take about 5 secs if I was using Windows
[09:27] <kj4> samwisegamgee: I knew you'd understand! welcome!
[09:28] <samwisegamgee> thanks, cfhowlett, that book is way cheaper than the Ultimate Unix Guide, which is good
[09:29] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, see your local library.  in fact, see your local linux / ubuntu user group.  less aggravating than IRC and there's often beer.
[09:30] <samwisegamgee> I thought all the user groups were here, at least the best ones
[09:30] <zacwalls> hello?
[09:30] <samwisegamgee> I got Your UNIX/Linux the Ultimate Guide from the university library
[09:30] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, university is also a worthy resource.
[09:30] <samwisegamgee> I wish I had my own hard copy, but it's really expensive
[09:31] <samwisegamgee> the first 80 pages is straightforward, but it gets coomplicated after that, and that book link you sent me looks better, cfhowlett
[09:32] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, use what works.   irc is only ONE source of support - and not necessarily the best one.  also see ubuntu forums
[09:33] <samwisegamgee> thanks cfhowlett, yeah the ubuntu forums are useful for troubleshooting
[09:33] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, and mailing lists.  see your ubuntu menu for community support and/or documentation.
[09:34] <zacwalls> am i gonna get help?
[09:38] <knome> !patience | zacwalls
[09:38] <zacwalls> im trying to install ubuntu 14.04
[09:38] <knome> zacwalls, and remember we are all volunteers here.
[09:39] <knome> zacwalls, we know. please wait until somebody who knows the answer comes around, and check the other sites while you wait.
[09:39] <zacwalls> --__--
[09:40] <zacwalls> will you unban me from ubuntu
[09:40] <knome> zacwalls, you can discuss that on #ubuntu-ops.
[11:10] <zleap> hello
[11:10] <cfhowlett> zleap, greetings.  ask you ubuntu questions
[11:10] <zleap> when i try and login I get taken back to the login screen
[11:10] <zleap> xubuntu 14.04
[11:11] <cfhowlett> zleap, login loop.  ask in #ubuntu
[11:11] <zleap> ok
[11:36] <phasip> I was updating to 14.04 and messed up all my ppas, now after the update I cannot find xubuntu-desktop package anymore and my desktop does not work after login (only black)
[11:37] <phasip> Could this be a ppa problem or some other problem?
[11:53] <samwisegamgee> Does xubuntu use .rpm packages?
[11:53] <phasip> no, .deb
[12:04] <brainwash> phasip: same problem when using the guest account?
[12:06] <phasip> brainwash: No, actually the guest account seems to work =/
[12:17] <phasip> thanks brainwash! I removed .config/xfce4 and it started working! Is the xubuntu-desktop package removed or is that still a problem?
[12:18] <brainwash> aren't you able to reinstall it?
[12:20] <phasip> No, it cant find the package ("unable to locate package xubuntu-desktop")
[12:21] <brainwash> what does "apt-cache policy xubuntu-desktop" return?
[12:22] <phasip> unable to locate package
[12:22] <brainwash> that's odd
[12:23] <phasip> I remember removing it to be able to update, thats why I'm trying to install it
[12:23] <brainwash> can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list pls
[12:23] <knome> phasip, ^run this in terminal: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[12:24] <phasip> Yeah I think they are the problem, wait
[12:25] <phasip> 7970004
[12:25] <phasip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7970004
[12:25] <knome> phasip, you haven't enable the universe repositories.
[12:25] <knome> !info xubuntu-desktop
[12:26] <phasip> Ah!
[12:26] <phasip> Thanks!
[12:28] <samwisegamgee> What purpose does the java runtime environment using GIJ/Classpath (gcj-jre) serve as an optional add-on to LibreOffice for Xubuntu?
[12:28] <knome> samwisegamgee, please stop asking random questions for which you don't even want the answer.
[12:28] <knome> samwisegamgee, consider that as the last warning before you are removed from the channel.
[12:31] <samwisegamgee> Questions related to Libre Office are not acceptable in this channel?
[13:44] <samwisegamgee> the xubuntu software centre says the Muon Package Manager is for KDE, but can I use it with Xubuntu 14.04?
[13:44] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, yes
[13:45] <deshipu> yes, it will just install a lot of kde-related packages
[13:45] <deshipu> and might look a little different than other application in styling details
[13:45] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, this
[13:46] <samwisegamgee> no wonder it takes up so much memory
[13:47] <baizon> deshipu: "just"?
[13:47] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, if you're memory sensitive, suggest you use lubuntu - bit lighter than xubuntu
[13:48] <samwisegamgee> I got plenty of hard drive space, 500 GB
[13:49] <samwisegamgee> but may be my processor is slow
[13:49] <samwisegamgee> Muon might slow down my PC if I install it
[13:51] <samwisegamgee> I got an AMD Athlon 64 processor 3200+, 2 GHz size, 3 GHz capacity
[13:52] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, so ... don't
[13:52] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, lubuntu is optimized for lower specification hardware.  xubuntu also does a pretty decent job.  when you start tweaking and twerking as you are determined to do ... things change.  Your choice.  Your responsibility.
[13:52] <samwisegamgee> I wanted to use Muon to get better descriptions of the add ons for Libre Office
[13:53] <Luyin> samwisegamgee: maybe you just wish to install the libreoffice package via terminal or via synaptic. <sarcasm>but installing a lot of different package management systems seems like a really good idea, too. </sarcasm> why do you ask the same things in many different channels and don't use the offered help?
[13:53]  * cfhowlett grabs a bag of popcorn and sits back to watch the thread ...
[13:54] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, *stupid question* I know but ... have your actually installed ANYTHING today?
[13:55] <samwisegamgee> I will try looking on Youtube for better information about the Libre Office add ons I need, since none of the IRC channels were very informative and my google searches were not helpful
[13:55] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, you mean ... instead of looking on the libreoffice site?  OK>  head to youtube
[13:55] <samwisegamgee> I installed the Synaptic Package Manager
[13:55] <samwisegamgee> Yeah, the Libre Office website was not helpful, nor were its forums
[13:56] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, so you know how to install software.  Install it, test it and decide if you need it.
[13:56] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, if you don't like/need it, delete it.  done.
[13:56] <samwisegamgee> I also followed your advice about installing xubuntu restricted extras successfully, thanks
[13:57] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, sounds like you'
[13:57] <cfhowlett> you've figured out quite a few things today.  Progress!
[13:58] <samwisegamgee> Yes, but I never expected the Libre Office add ons to be so challenging.  I didn't realize that installing Libre Office would be so difficult
[13:58] <Luyin> samwisegamgee: what add-ons do you actually need?
[13:59] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, what makes you think you need the add-ons?  have you USED the program and found shortcomings?
[13:59] <samwisegamgee> I just neede the add ons that will help me do word processing on Libre Office, and for using PDFs
[13:59] <samwisegamgee> and using various fonts
[13:59] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, librewriter.
[13:59] <samwisegamgee> yes
[14:00] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, pdf printing is supported.  no add -on
[14:00] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, fonts don't come from libreoffice.  install the fonts and then choose them with libreoffice
[14:00] <samwisegamgee> version 4.3 has add ons for manipulating PDFs, I think
[14:01] <samwisegamgee> but that verrsion is not suppported by my package manager
[14:01] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, so use the  terminal.
[14:01] <samwisegamgee> use the terminal to install LibreOffice 4.3?
[14:02] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, of course.  the package manager merely gives you a nice gui.  the REAL work is terminal based.   remember those APT links you didn't feel like reading?  all explained there
[14:02] <baizon> samwisegamgee: http://askubuntu.com/questions/505368/how-to-update-libreoffice-from-4-2-to-4-3-in-ubuntu-14-04-1-lts
[14:02] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, sudo apt-get install pacakgename
[14:03] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, in face you could even download the .deb directly from libreoffice and use the terminal to install that way as well.
[14:03] <cfhowlett> in *fact*
[14:05] <samwisegamgee> that still doesn't help me figure out how to install Libre office, unless I can do it all with the terminal
[14:06] <knome> samwisegamgee, sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[14:06] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, see you're doing it again.  sudo apt-get install libreoffice                READ
[14:06] <samwisegamgee> Ok, I'll read baizon's link, and see if that helps
[14:07] <cfhowlett> lol.    i'm so done.
[14:07] <cfhowlett> OK
[14:08] <samwisegamgee> Read it where?
[14:08] <samwisegamgee> does that command line produce a man before it installs LibreOffice?
[14:08] <cfhowlett> samwisegamgee, dude.  you were sent the command THREE TIMES and didn't read it so .. no more
[14:08]  * cfhowlett thinks " fair enough"
[14:09] <samwisegamgee> test
[14:09] <knome> samwisegamgee, now stop playing or you will get banned.
[14:11] <samwisegamgee> installing software is not playing, a lot of time and money is involved, so I hope you will respect the rules, knome
[14:11] <knome> samwisegamgee, the feeling is mutual; though there is no money involved.
[14:12] <cfhowlett> money?  MONEY?  no I KNOW you here to waste time
[14:12] <knome> samwisegamgee, i've sent you the guidelines for reference.
[14:12] <samwisegamgee> thanks, knome
[14:13] <knome> samwisegamgee, and remember, it's your last chance to follow them
[14:13] <samwisegamgee> Ok, I will read them again, knome
[14:14] <Luyin> samwisegamgee: this might help (really the last thing for today): http://explainshell.com/explain?cmd=sudo+apt-get+install+libreoffice
[14:15] <samwisegamgee> thanks, Luyin
[14:17] <samwisegamgee> but knome expelled me from this channel, and I lost one of the links posted in this room related to Libre Office installation, I can't even remember who posted it
 samwisegamgee: http://askubuntu.com/questions/505368/how-to-update-libreoffice-from-4-2-to-4-3-in-ubuntu-14-04-1-lts
[14:18] <samwisegamgee> yes, it was baizon, thanks
[14:18] <Luyin> sry for highlighting
[14:18] <samwisegamgee> the highlighting is good
[14:19] <samwisegamgee> I will bookmark the links in case I get expelled again
[14:38] <samwisegamgee> cfhowlett, you still here?
[14:39] <knome> samwisegamgee, if you have a support question, just ask it. no need to ping specific people.
[14:48] <samwisegamgee> http://askubuntu.com/questions/505368/how-to-update-libreoffice-from-4-2-to-4-3-in-ubuntu-14-04-1-lts ....that link makes sense, except for the part about ppa, I will try googling to make sense of ppa
[14:48] <knome> samwisegamgee, you don't need to tell us you are googling.
[17:15] <streamingindie> Hey all, I am wondering why my bootable flash won't load on a HP vista machine.. Is there a trick I am missing?
[17:16] <streamingindie> I loaded the bios and it does go to the flash with a bootable xubuntu image as described in the instructions, but all I get is flashing curser line at the top left of the screen.
[17:40] <GridCube> !uefi
[17:40] <GridCube> streamingindie, ^
[17:41] <GridCube> uefi machines don't see traditional boot partitions as booteable
[17:41] <GridCube> you need to disable them or enable the boot of legacy devices
[17:51] <Shane___> I need to get sudo access, but my main account somehow has no access and when I try to do something where sudo is needed, it says access denied due to an incorrect password
[17:52] <ObrienDave> then your password is wrong
[17:52] <Shane___> How...I just used it to log in
[17:52] <Shane___> caps lock is not on, num lock is on, and I have tried ove 10 times
[17:53] <ObrienDave> that is strange
[17:54] <Shane___> ya no kidding...I have no clue why and I cant find anywhere else where someone is having this problem
[17:55] <ObrienDave> that is beyond my knowledge. hang out for a while, someone will come by that can help you
[17:55] <ObrienDave> you might try asking in main channel also. #ubuntu
[17:55] <GridCube> Shane___, how are you trying to use sudo?
[17:56] <Shane___> To download java
[17:56] <Shane___> sudo then the command to download java
[17:57] <GridCube> ah... how
[17:57] <ObrienDave> paste your command please
[17:57] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install java?
[17:57] <Shane___> sudo add-apt-respository ppa:webup8team/java -y   I was also getting the same error when trying to install amd drivers
[17:58] <GridCube> Shane___, could you pastebin the result of that please?
[17:58] <ObrienDave> hmm, looks right. how long have you been having this issue?
[18:00] <Shane___> I just made the switch from windows 7 yesterday..I have nothing to go back to so I would like to have this solved:P
[18:00] <Shane___> looks like this   shane@Shane-HP-ProBook-4545s:~$ sudo add-apt-respository ppa:webup8team/java -y [sudo] password for shane:  Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for shane:
[18:00] <Shane___> idk how to pastebin, so I hope that works
[18:01] <ObrienDave> you're fine
[18:02] <Shane___> k
[18:03] <ObrienDave> nothing wrong with single line pastes. when people want to send more than 5, the flood bot kicks in
[18:03] <Shane___> ahh ok nice to know
[18:05] <zacwalls> so im tring  to write an iso to disk...its being difficult
[18:05] <Shane___> so no one has any help?
[18:05] <bazhang> using what tool zacwalls
[18:05] <zacwalls> a cd-r
[18:06] <bazhang> thats not a tool
[18:06] <xubuntu594> what is the problem shine?
[18:06] <xubuntu594> *shane
[18:06] <zacwalls> what is?
[18:06] <bazhang> unetbootin
[18:06] <Shane___> xubuntu I have no sudo acces and I have no clue why
[18:06] <ObrienDave> Shane___, i don't know how to fix that issue
[18:07] <Shane___> well this is what I was affraid of...
[18:07] <xubuntu594> does it give an error message when using sudo?
[18:07] <Shane___> nope just like my password is incorrect, but I am 100% sure that it is correct
[18:07] <bazhang> zacwalls, what version of xubuntu, and how large is the iso
[18:07] <ObrienDave> his password works for login but not for sudo access
[18:08] <xubuntu594> hmm
[18:08] <zacwalls> iso is a few kb and xubuntu 12.04
[18:08] <bazhang> a few kb?
[18:08] <zacwalls> yes
[18:08] <bazhang> that cannot be right
[18:08] <xubuntu594> as a workaround you could set a password for root
[18:08] <zacwalls> long story
[18:08] <knome> xubuntu594, nope.
[18:08] <xubuntu594> ?
[18:08] <knome> Shane___, don't set the root password.
[18:08] <bazhang> zacwalls, what version of xubuntu
[18:09] <knome> xubuntu594, setting the root password is unsupported.
[18:09] <zacwalls> 12.04
[18:09] <Shane___> Idk what else to do....I cant do anything but browse the web now
[18:09] <bazhang> zacwalls, the xubuntu iso is much larger than a few kb
[18:09] <zacwalls> oh no its...a long story
[18:10] <xubuntu594> i understand, but if he desperately needs root access?
[18:10] <bazhang> zacwalls, that does not matter, the iso is just not that size
[18:10] <ObrienDave> Shane___, patience please, we'll get it sorted
[18:10] <zacwalls> i burn it before
[18:10] <knome> xubuntu594, nope. that just makes things worse. just please do not do, or suggest, that.
[18:10] <Shane___> kk...
[18:10] <xubuntu594> okay!
[18:10] <bazhang> zacwalls, your issue is the iso is failed download, get a new one
[18:11] <zacwalls> --__--
[18:11] <zacwalls> it has downloaded before
[18:11] <zacwalls> just incorrectly
[18:11] <bazhang> zacwalls, let us know when that is done, and then tell us the real size
[18:11] <zacwalls> i dont know how to download
[18:11] <ObrienDave> zacwalls, and do a md5 on the file when complete
[18:11] <bazhang> zacwalls, use an internet browser
[18:12] <ObrienDave> or a torrent client. faster and less bandwidth on the ubuntu servers
[18:12] <zacwalls> ......friend i have an iso that i have been tryng to burn, let alone use a stick. i dont know how to
[18:13] <zacwalls> iso is for windows
[18:13] <bazhang> zacwalls, it's a windows iso?
[18:13] <zacwalls> no
 iso is for windows
[18:13] <ObrienDave> no, ISO is a disk image for burning to DVD or USB stick
[18:13] <zacwalls> ubuntu 14.04.1 for ubuntu 64bit
[18:14] <zacwalls> for win i ment
[18:14] <bazhang> zacwalls, and whats the size of that
[18:14] <zacwalls> 1 or 2 gigs
[18:15] <bazhang> zacwalls, that will not fit on a cd
[18:15] <zacwalls> but it will on a 8 gb usb that i have
[18:15] <bazhang> zacwalls, you stated earlier, you were using a cd-r
[18:16] <Shane___> How long do you guys think this will take..I have to go do some stuff, and I dont want to miss anything
[18:17] <zacwalls> my pc unplugged
[18:17] <bazhang> Shane___, come back when you have free time
[18:17] <Shane___> k
[18:17] <bazhang> Shane___, the channel is logged as well
[18:17] <bazhang> !1984
[18:18] <Azelphur> I love that the factoid for that is 1984 xD
[18:18] <bazhang> zacwalls, return when you have an operational and plugged in computer
[18:18] <zacwalls> i do
 my pc unplugged
[18:19] <zacwalls> and i powered it up
[18:19] <zacwalls> that is how im talking
[18:19] <bazhang> zacwalls, use unetbootin or similar to burn the iso to usb stick
[18:19] <zacwalls> what is that?
[18:20] <bazhang> !unetbootin | zacwalls
[18:20] <bazhang> zacwalls, read those links carefully
[18:20] <ObrienDave> a utility to transfer the ISO to a USEABLE dvd or usb stick
[18:20] <bazhang> !info unetbootin
[18:21] <bazhang> zacwalls, read those links, follow them, let us know when the burning of iso to usb stick is complete and then we can proceed
[18:22] <zacwalls> okay
[18:22] <zacwalls> thanks
[18:28] <zacwalls> i got error 13
[18:29] <zacwalls> bazhang, what dose that mean?
[18:30] <bazhang> first of all zacwalls let us know the size of the iso, and outcome of your md5 summing it
[18:32] <zacwalls> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7972557/
[18:32] <zacwalls> its good i think
[18:37] <bazhang> where'd you match the hash from
[18:37] <bazhang> !hashes
[18:37] <bazhang> check there ^
[18:49] <ObrienDave> that does not have 14.04.1
[19:28] <ObrienDave> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/MD5SUMS
[20:12] <Shane____> Hey guys Im back..I was the one having a problem with not being able to get sudo access
[20:13] <ObrienDave> yup, wb
[20:13] <Shane____> well I now have nothing but time, so hoping that someone can help
[20:15] <ObrienDave> is your keyboard standard US qwerty?
[20:16] <ObrienDave> meaning not some weird off brand,gaming,third-party,etc.
[20:19] <Shane____> its the stock hp keyboard on my laptop
[20:20] <ObrienDave> ok, cool, and no problems at all with Win? no spills, food, etc?
[20:20] <ObrienDave> blow out under the keys lately?
[20:20] <Shane____> nope...it works with everything other than the terminal, I am using the laptop now
[20:21] <ObrienDave> ok, just eliminating possibilities
[20:22] <ObrienDave> your account is an administrator account?
[20:25] <Shane_____> sorry about that
[20:25] <ObrienDave> np
[20:25] <Shane_____> missed any comment after you said to blow out the keys
[20:26] <ObrienDave> your account is an administrator account?
[20:27] <Shane_____> I think so..from what I have gathered, the first account that you create has automatic admin perms, but I am not sure
[20:27] <ObrienDave> not true
[20:27] <Shane_____> Well then how would I check
[20:27] <ObrienDave> go to settings, users and groups
[20:28] <ObrienDave> under your name you will see account type
[20:29] <elfy> Shane_____: the account created during install will have sudo rights
[20:29] <Shane_____> well this is amazing...The account says custom, but to be able to get into that it requires a password, which does not work with my account password
[20:30] <ObrienDave> then why does his password not work for sudo?
[20:32] <elfy> Shane_____: tried resetting it in recovery mode?
[20:32] <Shane_____> ya I tried to do something like that but I kind of got lost
[20:32] <sbujnak> Hi, is there a way to run xubuntu (14.04.1) on Macbook Air 2013?
[20:32] <Shane_____> Im pretty new to this
[20:33] <elfy> as was everyone once ;)
[20:33] <ObrienDave> Shane_____, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[20:33] <ObrienDave> especially me ;P
[20:34] <Shane_____> Ok ill try that, and then I have to do something..Ill be back later to tell u guys how it goes:) Hopefully this works
[20:34] <ObrienDave> good luck
[20:49] <xubuntu854> Gave xubuntu another try and it works great on my laptop and pc
[20:49] <xubuntu854> thnx xubuntu community for making something that is feels so light and is so usefull
[20:52] <ObrienDave> thank you for reporting back on your success
[21:00] <mecklen> I'm on x86/64 14.04 and I lost my audio after a recent update.  I reinstalled alsa and pulseaudio, rebooted and my audio is back.  Now the volume control applet disappeared.  I installed xfce4-mixer but it isn't the same applet I had before.  The old applet had gmusicbrowser controls for next/prev/pause as well as a button for advanced sound control.  Any idea how I can get the previous functionality back?  Thanks!
[21:02] <ObrienDave> the app is called sound menu, i think
[21:03] <Unit193> indicator-sound, actually.
[21:06] <mecklen> Thanks!  Okay, I've installed indicator-sound (and indicator-sound-gtk2) but I cannot find the applet in the panel add items list.  Do I need to logout/in (or reboot!)?
[21:08] <Unit193> mecklen: It's in the indicator plugin, not it's own seperate plugin.  Also, indicator-sound-gtk2 is useless to you.
[21:08] <mecklen> Okay, thanks!
[22:27] <shane___> well I reset the password and now I can not log in:(
[22:27] <shane___> is anyone from earlier here?
[22:28] <shane___> does anyone want to help...i have a useless pc here...his is why i stick to windows..not because I like it, because it works
[23:08] <shane____> For anyone that wasnt here earlier I was having a problem where I could not get sudo acces because my password was "invalid"..someone suggested changing my password, but now I just cant log in period...
[23:12] <shane____> anyone?
[23:12] <shane____> can anyone even see this
[23:12] <tolbertm1420421> yup
[23:13] <shane____> ahh can you help any?
[23:15] <shane___> Need help getting sudo access..password keeps getting denied, and someone had me reset my password through root, and now I cant log in at all..would love help..Ill just leave this on and hope someone replies
[23:17] <renso> hi
[23:17] <renso> shane ? are you here ?
[23:18] <shane___> yup im here
[23:18] <renso> you are in linux atm ? (my english suck, is a problem ? )
[23:18] <renso> you have 2 passwords atm ? 1 for user and another for root ? only 1 ?
[23:20] <shane___> nope not too bad, and I am using a guest session right now, as I cant log in to my account.  I had one password for my account, which should have worked for sudo, someone suggested to me that I should go into recovery mode so that I could reset my password.  I reset it and now I cant even log in
[23:20] <renso> open a terminal
[23:20] <shane___> and
[23:20] <renso> try commands, and put the error here
[23:21] <renso> sudo passwd
[23:21] <renso> su
[23:21] <shane___> Well right now it says "sudo: unable to change to root gid: Operation not permitted" but that is because I am using guest to do this and not my main account
[23:23] <renso> know how use tt1 or tt2 ? control alt f1 ?? for back control alt f6 or f7, know about that ?
[23:23] <renso> sudo YOUUSER   what say ?
[23:23] <renso> sorry, su youuser
[23:24] <shane___> nope not sure what u are talking about I am totally new to this
[23:25] <ObrienDave> hey shane___ how goes it?
[23:25] <shane___> worse I reset the password and now I cant log in:(
[23:26] <ObrienDave> do you have anything important on there?
[23:26] <shane___> nope I was just thinking about reinstalling
[23:26] <renso_> test
[23:26] <shane___> hey i have to go ill be back in 5 mins
[23:27] <shane___> sry
[23:27] <ObrienDave> that might be a good idea. you installed 1st time 2 days ago, iirc
[23:27] <ObrienDave> np
[23:27] <renso_> if you use control+alt+f1, you  switch to a black screen, where can use a terminal
[23:27] <renso_> ok
[23:42] <shane____> back
[23:43] <shane____> should I just do a reinstall
[23:43] <shane____> ?
[23:44] <shane____> anyone here
[23:44] <renso_> no need, but is your call (idk the right expression)
[23:45] <renso_> you can try again recovery mode, set a password like 1
[23:45] <renso_> and try enable root login, skiping the sudo thing
[23:45] <shane____> i already did that and how can i enable root login
[23:46] <renso_> sudo passwd
[23:46] <renso_> then, try to login with "su" and the new password, you have two pass now, i for you user, and another for root
[23:46] <shane____> while im on the guest account I cant use sudo passwd
[23:47] <renso_> offcourse, is for security
[23:47] <renso_> you need do this in recovery mode
[23:47] <renso_> take note : sudo passwd
[23:47] <renso_> then try to login with "su"
[23:47] <renso_> and this new passwod
[23:47] <renso_> afeter, you can recover you user with "su username"
[23:47] <renso_> after*
[23:48] <shane____> so in the root area of recovery mode, I do sudo passwd?
[23:48] <renso_> yes
[23:50] <shane____> su will be the username?
[23:51] <renso_> nono su, is a command than permit you (as root for example) login in another acout, like "su user1" or "su user3"
[23:52] <renso_> for default, in ubuntu, you dont have access su, is reemplace with sudo, for security reason, when you enable SU, you can login in root shell, and work free, if you dont use su, you need do a "sudo" for every comamnd you want run as root
[23:54] <shane____> hey dave...have any help i might as well get aI second opinion, so far all that I am getting I will need to get into the root account
[23:55] <ObrienDave> yes, but that really is not a good idea
[23:56] <ObrienDave> can you get to a terminal?
[23:56] <shane____> well any clue of what else I could do, and if I mess up, cant I just reinstall
[23:56] <shane____> ya i can get in a terminal now but I cant do much as i am in guest
[23:56] <ObrienDave> yes, reinstalling seems to be the best option, afaik
[23:57] <ObrienDave> i would suggest reformatting the drive during install
[23:57] <shane____> why is tht
[23:58] <ObrienDave> makes sure no residual files or settings affect the outcome
[23:59] <shane____> ok well i guess ill give it a shot ill be back when im done
[23:59] <renso_> so, is better reinstall with format that try 2 commands ?
[23:59] <ObrienDave> so, help him if you can


[00:01] <micahg> asac: please look at bug 480407 if you get a chance...I'll be back sat night
[00:02] <maxb> Rebuild tests run at low priority - other PPA uploads should take priority on the build farm
[01:03] <asac> maxb: 32bit?
[01:04] <asac> maxb: try https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive/ppa/+files/enigmail_1.0.1-0ubuntu1~asac2_i386.deb
[09:34] <maxb> asac: Sorry, my net connection went offline :-(
[10:36] <maxb> asac: I dug out my one 32bit machine and the new enigmail seems happy on that
[12:38] <asac> bdrung: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43626794/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.enigmail_2:1.0.1-0ubuntu1~asac2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:38] <asac> make[1]: Leaving directory `/build/buildd/enigmail-1.0.1' dh_xul-ext -a
[12:38] <asac> option -a not recognized
[12:38] <asac> Usage: dh_xul-ext [options]
[12:38] <asac> :/
[12:39] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive/ppa/+packages
[13:43] <gnomefreak> anyone here that knows why Mozilla is using code names for point releases. example: 3.6.3 is named Lorentzhttp://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/lorentz/
[13:44] <gnomefreak> or is this a plugin
[13:45] <gnomefreak> it seems to be but it will be intergrated into 3.6
[13:52] <jdstrand> fyi: bug #559881
[13:52] <jdstrand> and bug #559918
[13:53] <jdstrand> fyi, I tested https quite a bit
[13:53] <jdstrand> and evo+nss
[13:54] <jdstrand> and I know chrisccoulson said he tested all this a lot, including tbird
[14:24] <gnomefreak> jdstrand: do you mean something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WeeChat/?action=login&login=1&oidstage=1&stage=openid&janrain_nonce=2010-04-10T13%3A23%3A05Z8j5OFE&openid.assoc_handle=%7BHMAC-SHA1%7D%7B4bbc8574%7D%7B9rjPUw%3D%3D%7D&openid.claimed_id=https%3A%2F%2Flogin.launchpad.net%2F%2Bid%2FFQEWncc&openid.identity=https%3A%2F%2Flogin.launchpad.net%2F%2Bid%2FFQEWncc&openid.mode=id_res&openid.ns=http%3A%2F%2Fspecs.openid.ne
[14:24] <gnomefreak> holy shit that is long
[14:25] <gnomefreak> http://alturl.com/hwm9 ok this is better
[14:28] <gnomefreak> it seems it is moin bug at least i think it is
[14:34] <bdrung> asac: upgrade to mozilla-devscripts 0.21
[15:04] <gnomefreak> ok does firefox no longer depend on xulrunner? i am not seeing it in depends. not sure what version of xul is needed for firefox 3.6
[15:11] <gnomefreak> ok bug is reported
[15:15] <gnomefreak> bdrung: how do i access the long url please extension? I cant find it in any of the menus and it is enabled
[15:16] <gnomefreak> on crap never mind
[15:19] <bdrung> gnomefreak: dunno
[15:33] <gnomefreak> the extension i had installed was turning shorted link to full links. i thought it was the one that turns long into short. looking for the long -> short one now
[15:34] <bdrung> :)
[15:34] <gnomefreak> on and for some reason firefox no longer has a menu entry for addons
[15:38] <gnomefreak> bdrung: did you see this extension http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/lorentz/ im thinking no need to package it but its still a good thing :)
[15:40] <bdrung> gnomefreak: it will help, but i would like to see no crashes ;)
[15:46] <gnomefreak> well im confused code name for 3.6pre* is Namoroka. im getting the idea that Lorentz is a separate project. i would love to never see a crash but that is asking too much
[15:47] <gnomefreak> well i have to post a few things on firefox mailing list so maybe ill ask what this is
[15:58] <asac> bdrung: is .21 in archive?
[15:58] <asac> bdrung: e.g. that build was done yesterday
[15:58] <asac> in lucid
[15:58] <bdrung> asac: not yet (bug #557081)
[16:01] <asac> jdstrand: ouch
[16:01] <gnomefreak> im guessing this is not firefox just built on it :(
[16:02] <asac> "After the sync we have to binNMU these extensions:"
[16:02] <asac> bdrung: we have no binNMU
[16:02] <bdrung> asac: i know
[16:03] <bdrung> asac: binNMU is shorter than no source upload to rebuild against new m-d version ;)
[16:04] <asac> bdrung: "after sync we have to respin these extensions:" ;)
[16:04] <asac> :-P
[16:04] <asac> anyway
[16:07] <asac> is using bz2 best practice with format 2.0?
[16:07] <asac> err 3.0 ;)
[16:08] <asac> bdrung: ?
[16:08] <asac> or just personal preference ;)
[16:09]  * gnomefreak off for a bit.
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> asac, there's a good chance that I can actually do the stuff I said I'd do last night in a couple minutes :p
[16:17] <asac> cwillu_at_work: cool ;)
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> dependant mainly on whether I can make a bootable sd card on my first try this week :p
[16:18] <asac> heh
[16:18] <asac> cwillu_at_work: using ubuntu?
[16:20] <asac> anyone running karmic?
[16:21] <asac> jdstrand: ok found a karmic user ;) ... let me check with him if all works :/
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> asac, it's a karmic image
[16:22] <asac> jdstrand: nss was realeased friday? .... ouch
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> and yes
[16:22] <asac> cwillu_at_work: thought its omap. for karmic we didnt push omap
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> ?
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> asac, it's arm, I do my own kernels
[16:22] <asac> chrisccoulson: hi
[16:23] <asac> chrisccoulson: we have a nss regression in karmic ... with tbird and firefox reported :)
[16:23] <asac> 14:52 < jdstrand> fyi: bug #559881
[16:23] <asac> 14:52 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 559881 in nss "libnss3-1d 3.12.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> breaks ssl/fips support in firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559881
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> hi asac, how are you?
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> oh, i haven't checked my mail yet
[16:23] <asac> 14:52 < jdstrand> and bug #559918
[16:23] <asac> chrisccoulson: good ;)
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> what sort of regression?
[16:23] <asac> 14:52 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 559918 in thunderbird "startup error: could not initialize the browser's security component (and then ssl will not work) (dup-of: 559881)"  [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559918
[16:23] <asac> chrisccoulson: read
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm :-/
[16:23] <asac> ssl broken it seems ;)
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> i didn't notice any issues like that, and i tested stuff with ssl :(
[16:24] <cwillu_at_work> hmm, this testing isn't going to work if I can't find a usb keyboard to plug a mouse and keyboard in with
[16:24] <asac> yeah. ... usually we dont release anything on friday to security channel ;)
[16:24] <asac> cwillu_at_work: serial ?
[16:24] <asac> ;)
[16:25] <asac> cwillu_at_work: well. at least to get started
[16:25] <asac> cwillu_at_work: #ubuntu-arm is also a good channel to hang out ;)
[16:26] <cwillu_at_work> I'm usually in there
[16:26] <asac> chrisccoulson: so i have someone in -motu on the hook to test on karmic ;)
[16:26] <cwillu_at_work> wonder why it didn't auto-join this time
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, thanks
[16:26] <asac> chrisccoulson: nigelb
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> i'll try and look today too, but i'm already quite busy today
[16:26] <fta> http://www.osnews.com/story/23135/Google_Puts_Weight_Behind_Theora_on_Mobile
[16:26] <asac> chrisccoulson: well. if nss is broken like that its a drop all event ;)
[16:27] <asac> at least we should understand whats going on before going for weekend ;)
[16:31] <asac> bdrung: one thingi find interesting is that it only happens on amd64
[16:31] <asac> bdrung: does that make sense to you?
[16:31] <asac> e.g. is binary-arch without -indep trigger a -a argument?
[16:33]  * gnomefreak still not here but i just filed a bug on nss this morning
[16:34] <asac> gnomefreak: whats your prob with nss
[16:34] <asac> ?
[16:35] <gnomefreak> asac: gives error on loging into ubuntu wiki gives HTTP error
[16:36] <gnomefreak> asac: one minute
[16:36] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 560051
[16:36] <gnomefreak> ill be back a bit later i have house work to do
[16:38] <asac> gnomefreak: thats on lucid?
[16:38] <asac> seems so
[16:38] <asac> dont get that error there
[16:38] <gnomefreak> asac: yes
[16:39] <gnomefreak> if i remember i will test it again this afternoon sometime
[16:41] <chrisccoulson_> asac - hmmm, i just updated my karmic desktop here too, and everything is still working ok :(
[16:44] <asac> chrisccoulson_: also tbird 2?
[16:44] <asac> ;)
[16:44] <bdrung> asac: i use the smaller file size (in rare cases gz is smaller than bzip2)
[16:45] <bdrung> *file with the smaller size
[16:46] <bdrung> asac: the amd64 build failure makes sense, because i386 builds the arch indep packages too
[16:46] <asac> yes, but why is it -a on arch depend ;)
[16:47] <chrisccoulson_> asac - no issues with thunderbird either
[16:48] <asac> chrisccoulson_: try with fresh profile
[16:48] <chrisccoulson_> asac - tried that too ;)
[16:48] <asac> chrisccoulson_: asked on the bug if they properly logged out in between
[16:48] <asac> maybe firefox hung in background or something ;) ... you never know.
[16:48] <asac> next is checking if it works with a fresh profile for them
[16:48] <chrisccoulson_> yeah, hopefully ;)
[16:49] <asac> so nigelb also has no problems so far
[16:49] <asac> chrisccoulson_: in tbird bug he talks about nss-0d and -dev
[16:49] <asac> do you have those packages installed?
[16:50] <chrisccoulson_> asac - no, i've not got those installed
[16:51] <chrisccoulson_> one second
[16:51] <asac> yeah
[16:51] <asac> that would be good to check
[17:14] <asac> chrisccoulson: so he couldnt reproduce it on karmic
[17:14] <asac> lets wait for the bug reporters reply if they can reproduce ... and say good weekend ;)
[17:17] <gnomefreak> asac: in tb3 do you see the yellow bar between headers and body of email http://img696.imageshack.us/i/thunderbird30extrapane.png/ that is a screenshot of what i mean
[17:17] <chrisccoulson_> asac - there is an issue on karmic if you upgrade with FIPS enabled in firefox (i just reproduced that now)
[17:17] <chrisccoulson_> i'm going to test if that's an issue on lucid too
[17:17] <chrisccoulson_> brb, moving back to the lounge now
[17:17] <gnomefreak> its just under bug reports
[17:18] <gnomefreak> ff got as high as 99.9 % CPU when trying to zoom in :(
[17:18] <gnomefreak> with 5 processes open for some reason
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, same issue on lucid too
[17:20] <gnomefreak> i guess its trying to tell me to restart :(
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> asac - and firefox in lucid is using the bundled nss too isn't it?
[17:33] <bdrung> asac: why did you ask about 3.0 format?
[17:36] <gnomefreak> ok firefox is not usable at all
[17:38] <bdrung> asac: should i sync m-d manually?
[17:44] <gnomefreak> firefox sucks badly today
[17:45] <gnomefreak> chromium is now default since it never reaches 99.9%
[18:14] <gnomefreak> the slow FF crap is due to the Prism addon
[18:16] <gnomefreak> or not
[18:17] <cwillu_at_work> asac, heading out for lunch, if I'm lucky I might have a bootable image when I get back that I can finally test my freshly built hacked-up 16-bit firefox :)
[18:17] <cwillu_at_work> and all that arm 3.6 scrollbar stuff
[18:18] <gnomefreak> ok that needs to get fixed
[18:20] <gnomefreak> ~90% of progress bar is complete and than it stops and the bar never finishes. have to force quit/kill it to close it
[18:41]  * gnomefreak suprised at the amount of twitter extensions for FF and Chromium
[18:44] <cwillu_at_work> gnomefreak, you have far too much faith in humanity
[18:44] <gnomefreak> :)
[19:09] <gnomefreak> anyone else getting lockups on 3.6.4~hg20100410r34032+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1?
[19:09] <gnomefreak> lockups/freezes/or what ever you want to call it
[19:10] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, FIPS does not work in FF in lucid because we don't generate the chk files at build time
[19:10] <chrisccoulson> and i suspect it has broken in karmic either because we're missing a chk (strace would suggest that)
[19:10] <chrisccoulson> or the binaries get altered after the chk files are generated
[19:10] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i will look at this tonight
[19:11] <chrisccoulson> and see if i can make it work again :-/
[19:15] <gnomefreak> it looks like flashplugin-installer and firefox 3.7 are not compatible
[19:16] <gnomefreak> imageshack and marlboro.com have the freezing issues greasespot seemed to load without issues maybe it is flash on 3.6 and 3.7
[19:24] <LLStarks> why is this taking forever? http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2070/bindwood.png
[19:32] <gnomefreak> LLStarks: mine is too. it will never finish at least it doesnt here. happens on marlboro.com when i try to log in
[19:32] <gnomefreak> those are the 2 sites i have seen it on today.
[19:32]  * gnomefreak gone for the day it is really nice out
[19:32] <LLStarks> smoker swag?
[19:36] <asac> chrisccoulson: hmm. iirc we generated the .chk file
[19:36] <asac> not sure when this regressed though
[19:36] <chrisccoulson> asac - i haven't got any chk files for the firefox bundled NSS
[19:36] <chrisccoulson> and the karmic regression is because we now need to generate an extra chk file
[19:37] <chrisccoulson> so, i'll fix all of those
[19:37] <chrisccoulson> asac - i assume the karmic update needs to be rolled out through -security again doesn't it?
[19:37] <asac> chrisccoulson: err. so the problem is that we use in-source nss now?
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, for FF in lucid, it seems we are using in-source NSS with no checksums
[19:38] <asac> chrisccoulson: we dont want to use it there
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> we don't want to use in-source NSS?
[19:38] <asac> we shouldnt have uploaded without nss being in
[19:38] <asac> wasnt planned for sure
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i wonder how that's happened :-/
[19:39] <asac> we uploaded without nss being updated and without bumping build-depends minimum version
[19:39] <asac> we have magic to revert to in-source nss for the dailies etc.
[19:39] <asac> still. we should generate .chk for in-source nss, yes.
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> asac - but the last couple of FF uploads were with 3.12.6 already in the archive
[19:39] <asac> then there is something else broken with the magic in rules
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll try and figure out whats going on. i need to fix karmic first though
[19:40] <asac> hmm
[19:40] <asac> ok did i add nss/nspr to the MIN_SYS_DEPS thing?
[19:40] <asac> if so. yes, lets stick to that
[19:40] <asac> and generate .chk
[19:40] <asac> but thats only in lucid ;)
[19:40] <asac> i would hope
[19:40] <asac> in karmic we must not have moved to in-source ;)
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> asac - ah, yes, it is because of MIN_SYS_DEPS in lucid
[19:41] <asac> right. but did i add that ;)?
[19:41] <asac> makes sense. i just thought i didnt add it there ;)
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> asac - not sure. it wasn't me ;)
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> ok, so i need to fix NSS in both karmic and lucid and also FF in lucid
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> but the lucid stuff can probably wait until monday. i could do with jdstrand or someone being around now so we can get karmic fixed
[19:42] <asac> chrisccoulson: so why is nss broken? thats a normal regression?
[19:42] <asac> i understand why firefox isbroken ;)
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> asac - it seems that we need to generate an extra checksum file for the latest version to work properly (for libnssdbm3.so)
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> the mozilla shipped firefox binaries has a checksum for that, and if i create one, then it starts working again
[19:49] <asac> chrisccoulson: right. so fix that ;)
[19:49] <asac> thanks
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> asac - i've built and tested that already, but i'm not sure what to do next. i assume we go through the usual process for security updates again (in which case, i upload it to the PPA)?
[19:51] <asac> chrisccoulson: certainly push to ppa
[19:51] <asac> chrisccoulson: then get folks in bugs verify it (tell them to enable ppa and upgrade)
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, will do that
[19:51] <asac> chrisccoulson: i think you need to use USN-NUMBER-2
[19:51] <asac> as thats a regression push
[19:51] <asac> jdstrand: ^^
[19:52] <asac> chrisccoulson: so yeah. i am pretty sure you have to use a -2 USN
[19:52] <asac> if the nss update had a USN of course
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, the NSS update got a USN
[19:56] <asac> chrisccoulson: then bump the -1 to -2
[19:56] <asac> for the upload
[19:57] <asac> kk
[19:57] <asac> http://identi.ca/notice/28036382 + http://identi.ca/notice/28036461
[20:21] <crimsun> yeah, I've had that repo active since some releases back
[20:21] <crimsun> just noticed that I had it enabled still but nothing new had come across
[20:21] <asac> crimsun: ack. you are one of the good ones ;) thanks a lot!
[20:22] <asac> crimsun: gruemaster said you found a potential workarund for pulse on armel?
[20:22] <crimsun> asac: li li did; I pushed the fix for speex based on ncommander's debdiff last hour
[20:22] <crimsun> it wasn't a pulse issue, much as I suspected
[20:23] <asac> ah ok
[20:23] <asac> crimsun: so speex had issues?
[20:23] <asac> nice find
[20:23] <crimsun> asac: yes, it was purely speex. tobin confirmed the fix (see -devel).
[20:24] <asac> great. thanks
[20:47] <asac> any apps using online/offline from NM besides empathy and epiphany?
[20:47] <asac> ;)
[20:47] <asac> chrisccoulson: ?
[20:47] <asac> better in -desktop i guess
[20:48] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i'm not sure. perhaps evolution too?
[21:02] <jdstrand> asac: regarding -2, correct, but he knows already
[21:02] <asac> jdstrand: yes. reminded him ;)
[21:02]  * jdstrand nods
[21:02] <jdstrand> asac: thanks for tat
[21:02] <asac> jdstrand: thanks to U
[21:02] <asac> for being here ;)
[21:03] <jdstrand> sure
[21:33] <lfaraone> Hi, is there a reason python-xpcom was dropped in xulrunner-1.9?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> hey. I'm back :)
[22:25] <cwillu_at_work> *grumble grumble*
[22:25] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hey my friend
[22:29] <BUGabundo> found a way to make my boot 20 secs again, cwillu?
[22:29] <cwillu_at_work> no, I builded a firefox though :)
[23:36] <jdstrand> fyi bug #559918 is not a duplicate of bug #559881
[23:37] <jdstrand> seems all tbird users who have libnss3-0d installed are broken
[23:37] <jdstrand> libnss3-0d was part of the default install of gutsy
[23:37] <jdstrand> hardy had a few depends on it, notably sunbird
[23:37] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson is aware and it looking at it
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> asac - there?


[08:06] <kraut> moin
[09:21] <ivoks> hi
[09:21] <thegodfather> hi ivoks
[09:21] <ivoks> is there any chance to include drbd module into ubuntu kernel?
[09:21] <ivoks> thegodfather: hi :)
[09:22] <thegodfather> ivoks: i did add a new patch to the bug.. any luck with that one?
[09:22] <ivoks> thegodfather: i have to wait night to test that patch :)
[09:22] <thegodfather> ivoks: ok cool. thanks
[09:22] <thegodfather> ivoks: drbd isn't exactly stable and portable.. last time i checked at least
[09:23] <ivoks> not stable?
[09:23] <ivoks> hm... :)
[09:23] <thegodfather> well it didn't use to be
[09:23] <thegodfather> and didn't build on many arches
[09:24] <thegodfather> ivoks: i think i might know why you were not able to reproduce the problem on vmware too
[09:24] <thegodfather> there is a specific algo to select the source address of an outgoing connection
[09:24] <ivoks> you do? i was thinking that it could be driver related stuff :/
[09:25] <thegodfather> when the IP's are all in the same subnet
[09:25] <thegodfather> it matters only the last octet
[09:25] <thegodfather> let say:
[09:25] <thegodfather> node1: x.y.z.101
[09:25] <thegodfather> node2: x.y.z.102
[09:25] <thegodfather> node3: x.y.z.103
[09:25] <thegodfather> etc.
[09:25] <thegodfather> and you slam the VIP's in the range from 1 to 100
[09:25] <thegodfather> i don't remember if the lower is privileged
[09:25] <thegodfather> or the higher is
[09:26] <thegodfather> so perhaps you want to compare the real ip's on the running cluster
[09:26] <thegodfather> with the vmware setup
[09:26] <thegodfather> if you understand what I mean
[09:26] <thegodfather> perhaps on the running cluster the VIPs are below or up the real IP's
[09:26] <thegodfather> and in the vmware setup they are inverted
[09:26] <ivoks> on these nodes i have two addess on every node
[09:26] <ivoks> one is private and one is public
[09:27] <ivoks> so, one range is 192.168.0.x, and the other is xx.xx.xx.x
[09:27] <hytham__> hi every one ...can some one help me in this issue (after compinilng a new kernel i recievd the following error "run-init:nuking initramfs contents:directory not empty" and kernel panics ???
[09:27] <ivoks> i tried with the same setup on vmware, but all ips were from the private range
[09:27] <thegodfather> ivoks: right.. that can change a lot
[09:27] <thegodfather> because of the selection algo
[09:27] <ivoks> yeah, probably
[09:28] <thegodfather> do you have a chance to test the exact copy on vmware?
[09:28] <thegodfather> including real ips?
[09:29] <ivoks> not really at the moment
[09:29] <thegodfather> if so.. you might be able to reproduce the issue without a patched kernel
[09:29] <thegodfather> ok
[09:29] <ivoks> i'll test the patch on real systems tonight
[09:29] <thegodfather> ok
[09:29] <thegodfather> it was just to avoid you any more troubles
[09:29] <thegodfather> with the production system
[09:30] <thegodfather> ivoks: otherwise is there a way i can get the real config with real ip's?
[09:30] <ivoks> well, system is still in alpha stage, so i can get along with it :D
[09:30] <thegodfather> of course as NDA or something
[09:30] <thegodfather> that way i can set it up here in my vmware environment
[09:30] <thegodfather> ok
[09:30] <thegodfather> that case.. it's all good :)
[09:30] <ivoks> it the patch doesn't work, i think we can't talk about providing real config
[09:31] <ivoks> sorry... can
[09:31] <ivoks> not can't :)
[09:31] <thegodfather> ok
[09:31] <thegodfather> take into account that the new patch sucks in all changes in lowcomms.c that have been done to fix issues up till today
[09:31] <thegodfather> if this isn't working, we are probably experiencing another bug that we think
[09:31] <thegodfather> so that will require much more debugging
[09:32] <ivoks> well, i'll do everything i can to help you out
[09:32] <thegodfather> i really appreciate
[09:32] <thegodfather> thanks
[09:32] <ivoks> it's in my intrest to make it work too
[09:33] <thegodfather> yeps..
[10:31] <ivoks> thegodfather: cross your fingers :)
[10:31]  * thegodfather crosses his fingers...
[10:34] <ivoks> i hate rebooting system in testing kernel
[10:34] <ivoks> specially when they are thousands of kilometers away :)
[10:37] <ivoks> they're up!
[10:37] <ivoks> and printk shows stuff gets executed
[10:41] <ivoks> thegodfather: :* works for me :D
[10:43] <thegodfather> ivoks: rock on
[10:43] <thegodfather> ivoks: please report it in the bug report
[10:43] <ivoks> i'm doing last test just to be sure...
[10:43] <ivoks> will do, of course...
[10:48] <ivoks> yes, it works... kudos to thegodfather :)
[10:51] <thegodfather> perfect
[10:51] <thegodfather> thanks for testing man
[10:52] <ivoks> np
[11:16] <ivoks> thegodfather: funny thing... bringing old kernel back results in oopsing :)
[11:18] <thegodfather> well no idea.. sorry
[11:18] <ivoks> dlm_lock crashes on one node, not both... well, never mind, if patched one works, that's all i need :)


[00:53] <twb> I'm translating /etc/bind to /etc/nsd3.
[00:53] <twb> What's the nsd equivalent of "auth-nxdomain no"?  Do I even need it?
[01:41] <twb> In this named snippet: http://paste.debian.net/110811/
[01:42] <twb> Is "notify yes" applying to the master, or the (presumably downstream) zonedit nameservers?
[04:15] <^Mike> How can I run SMART tests on a HDD?
[04:17] <twb> apt-get install smartmontools
[04:17] <twb> smartctl <something to say "start a short test">
[04:18] <twb> smartctl <something to say "show self-test results">
[04:18] <twb> RTFM; I can't remember what the options are
[04:19] <Datz> something like smartcl -A /dev/sda1 I thought
[04:19] <Datz> er
[04:19] <twb> IIRC -A reports all info
[04:19] <Datz> smartctl
[04:20] <twb> smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda
[04:20] <twb> smartctl -t short # or long, if you have a couple hours
[04:21] <Datz> -A looks lit it reports all smart attributes
[04:21] <twb> You may also need -d ata for SATA disks, if you're on an old system.
[04:21] <twb> Datz: right, but most of those are misleadingly scary
[04:21] <Datz> inaccurate I've noticed for some things
[04:22] <Datz> but right, not tests
[04:25] <^Mike> thanks
[04:26] <^Mike> bah
[04:26] <^Mike> "Device does not support SMART"
[04:28] <^Mike> Well, if you can make any sense of these logs, I'd appreciate the help: http://sprunge.us/bBGh?txt
[04:30] <twb> ^Mike: maybe you're behind a RAID card
[04:30] <^Mike> I doubt it, it's just a cheap external HDD connected to the machine by USB
[04:30] <twb> ^Mike: "unable to read inode block" I reckon you've made the filesystem slightly larger than the partition -- did you dd it from one to another?
[04:31] <twb> Also your name is stupid :-/
[04:31] <twb> \bMike\b: hmm, you're getting it for several partitions, so more likely is just that either the copy is hosed or the disk is dying
[04:31] <\bMike\b> no, but I could well have messed up the partition/filesystem sizes anyways
[04:32] <twb> Oh, and you can't do SMART to a USB enclosure -- if you take the disk out and put it in a SATA slot, then SMART will work
[04:32] <\bMike\b> oh, ok
[04:32] <\bMike\b> huh, that disk also reports "Partition table entries are not in disk order"
[04:50] <`3Shades> Anyone any good at configuring virutal networks? I am having problems remoting into my virtual machine. I can ssh but not remote in.
[04:52] <`3Shades> I am running ubuntu server 10.10 and I have VM's set up and I would like to be able to remote into those as well from outside my network. I have a standard linksys wireless router.
[04:53] <`3Shades> I have googled to no avail, or at least I'm not understanding what I'm doing wrong.
[04:54] <twb> What does "remote in" mean
[04:54] <`3Shades> vnc
[04:55] <twb> Are you running a VNC server in the VM?
[04:55] <`3Shades> I was using remote desktop so...
[04:55] <`3Shades> I set up remote desktop
[04:55] <twb> "remote desktop" often means RDP, not VNC.  Make sure you which you mean
[04:55] <`3Shades> I installed gnome gui on the server then set up remote desktop
[04:55] <`3Shades> I went into admin and clicked the allow remote desktop connections...
[04:56] <twb> `3Shades: last time I looked that will display a prompt on the VM's local display saying "accept connection? [Yes|no]"
[04:56] <`3Shades> allow users to take control of this computer
[04:56] <`3Shades> yes I clicked accpet connections
[04:56] <`3Shades> well first I"m just tring to get into the host
[04:57] <twb> I don't know
[04:57] <`3Shades> See it's weird, because i can ssh in.
[04:57] <twb> If you were using a simple X VNC server, I could help.  I'm not familiar with this GNOME stuff
[04:58] <`3Shades> my dhcp table is set to have the mac address go to an ip address yet when I look up the address you should remote into it says some weird address, but either address I try I cannot remote in.
[04:58] <`3Shades> I know it has something to do with the VM bridge and settings in my linkxys router, but I am lost.
[04:59] <`3Shades> what do you recommend I install then
[04:59] <`3Shades> just vncserver
[04:59] <`3Shades> lol
[04:59] <twb> xvncserver4 IIRC
[04:59] <`3Shades> can I apt-get that
[04:59] <twb> Or just tunnel X over your ssh connection
[05:00] <twb> tightvncserver, on my system, appears to be a simple headless VNC X server
[05:00] <twb> What you have is probably exporting an existing display over VNC, which is more stupider
[05:01] <`3Shades> tightvncserver is already installed
[05:05] <`3Shades> It seems stuck at security type requested
[05:06] <twb> Oh yeah, IIRC the vinagre/vino stuff in GNOME implements some non-standard encryption option
[05:07] <twb> So if you checked "encrypt connection" or whatever, then you can't connect to it except from the GNOME VNC client
[05:07] <twb> And your client will probably just hang showing a black screen
[05:15] <`3Shades> vnc works thanks..
[05:16] <`3Shades> still need to figure out how to route these VM's to a port though
[05:16] <`3Shades> I'll wait to ask until I have another 10 hours on it lol
[08:20] <acegrimm> bonjour
[08:27] <xperia_> hello to all. i have a strange problem with memcached. it give me allways this error here => DataMemCache Error, Purge Old File from Cache Dir
[08:28] <xperia_> where is this Cache Dir of MemCached ? i have searched it but could not find it
[08:39] <twb> xperia_: caches usually go in /var/cache, occasionally /var/lib
[08:40] <whoaski> hello all
[08:42] <whoaski> I just installed ubuntu server w/ apache2, mysql, and rails. tring to configure a developmentserver to bounce code off of
[08:43] <whoaski> I'm new to this and I want to know where i can get information navigating the command line
[08:44] <whoaski> I have the ubuntu server guide
[08:44] <whoaski> it's all installed I just don't know enough to get into it to configure it
[08:45] <xperia_> twb okay thanks will just look at it. /var/cache i checked allready but could not find anything related to memcached
[08:49] <xperia_> twb hmm strange even in /var/lib i can not find memcached ! any other help
[08:51] <twb> xperia_: read the config file?
[08:51] <xperia_> not till yet i will look at it just right now
[09:00] <fakhir> I seem to have a IO bottleneck issue but i dont quite understand what it is telling me.  -> http://pastebin.com/Vz1btnbn
[09:20] <_ruben> fakhir: i assume sdb is a single sata disk?
[09:21] <fakhir> _ruben, yes
[09:21] <fakhir> what i am seeing is high load average but low CPU usage on a MySQL server.
[09:22] <_ruben> then having ~40 random IOs per second is pretty consistent with the 50% utilization
[09:22] <_ruben> a sata disk can do about 100 of 'em per second
[09:22] <_ruben> and a (busy) (my)sql server tends to do a fair bit random IOs
[09:25] <fakhir> any idea why i might be seeing what i am seeing if io is fine?
[09:31] <_ruben> how high is the load average?
[09:33] <fakhir> _ruben,  always above 1 typically ~1.5 . CPU percentage is nearly always 0.
[09:44] <_ruben> iowait is only 6% btw .. or does it go up a lot?
[09:45] <_ruben> and a load of 1 on a 8way system isn't really that much of problem
[09:45] <_ruben> 1 core is "occupied" while the other 7 are idle (on average)
[09:46] <fakhir> ohh i see
[09:56] <Daviey> twb, Interesting that you prefer to maintain your own netfilter rules.
[09:56] <Daviey> Why is that?
[09:57] <twb> Daviey: you mean with respect to blacklisting?
[09:57] <twb> It's a static ruleset
[09:57] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/110844/ is the active ingredient
[09:58] <Daviey> twb, I have a call now, but in an hour or so - i'd like to talk to you further about it.
[09:58] <twb> It'll have to be tomorrow, or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-- I'm going home shortly
[09:59] <soren> twb: I've never worked out what the difference is between --state and --ctstate.
[09:59] <soren> I guess I never tried to work it out either. :-/
[09:59] <twb> soren: ctstate is "better"
[09:59] <Daviey> twb, ok, thanks!
[10:00] <twb> I *strongly* recommend anyone writing netfilter rules read http://jengelh.medozas.de/documents/Perfect_Ruleset.pdf
[10:00] <twb> ...which is cited by #netfilter
[10:07] <soren> twb: Yeah, the good mr. Engelhardt knows what he's talking about.
[10:07] <soren> twb: The only thing in that doc that I didn't know was the ctstate thing. I wonder why the --state thing isn't just replaced entirely by --ctstate.
[10:08] <twb> Probably hysteria
[10:08] <soren> Yeah, there's a lot of that going around.
[10:09]  * soren is excited about ipset being included in 2.6.39, by the way.
[10:10] <twb> Eh, DKMS xtables makes that a non-issue
[10:11] <twb> I need xtables for something else anyway, I forget what
[10:11] <twb> Maybe just -j CHAOS
[10:12] <soren> twb: There's a dkms variant?
[10:13] <twb> It's new in Debian
[10:13] <soren> twb: Or are you thinking of the module-assistant thing?
[10:13] <twb> Maybe you suckers don't have it yet
[10:13] <soren> twb: Oh, shiny.
[10:14]  * soren files sync request
[10:15] <soren> done
[10:15] <soren> \o/
[10:15] <soren> twb: Thanks for the hint.
[10:15] <twb> np
[10:15]  * soren smells an openstack patch brewing
[10:16] <twb> Meanwhile flipping nsd3 definitely *will not* DTRT WRT upstart
[10:16] <soren> twb: I didn't fully understand your problem with that.
[10:18] <twb> one moment
[10:23] <twb> soren: http://paste.debian.net/110845/
[10:25] <soren> twb: It gets a new PID when you HUP it? That sounds *incredibly* broken.
[10:25] <twb> YES
[10:26] <twb> soren: it *is* smart enough to update its own pidfile
[10:26] <twb> But even so
[10:47] <twb> If you don't specify an allow-transfers {} list, does bind9 default to allowing AXFRs from 0/0 (i.e. everyone)?
[10:49] <twb> It sure looks like it, which explains a lot
[11:03] <twb> Fuck, I missed tea-time
[11:03] <twb> Looks like I'm having ramen for supper again
[11:04] <soren> "ramen"?
[11:05] <soren> Ah, noodle stuff.
[11:08] <whoaski> good morning
[11:10] <ikonia> twb: easy on the language please
[11:12] <twb> Sorry.
[11:16] <azizLIGHTS> how do i run dropbox as a service? this guide is outdated because start-stop-daemon doesnot exist on 10.04? http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall/UbuntuStartup
[11:17] <azizLIGHTS> /etc/init.d/dropbox: 60: start-stop-daemon: not found
[11:21] <joschi> azizLIGHTS: it does. it's part of the 'dpkg' package
[11:21] <joschi> azizLIGHTS: you just need either a proper $PATH variable set or use the absolute path to the binary
[11:22] <azizLIGHTS> oh hm
[11:22] <azizLIGHTS> do i have to undo step 2 listed in the guide to edit /etc/init.d/dropbox ?
[11:22] <azizLIGHTS> specifically this line: sudo update-rc.d dropbox defaults
[11:23] <joschi> azizLIGHTS: why would you?
[11:23] <joschi> azizLIGHTS: the "init script" is also lacking a proper shebang
[11:23] <azizLIGHTS> i dont know im new to linux?
[11:23] <azizLIGHTS> what is that
[11:24] <azizLIGHTS> what is the proper shebang i mean
[11:24] <joschi> azizLIGHTS: the first line of a script should contain a pointer to the interpreter which will run the script, e. g. #!/bin/sh to use /bin/sh
[11:24] <azizLIGHTS> oh
[11:24] <joschi> azizLIGHTS: you could also easily use the upstart-script from the dropbox wiki
[11:24] <azizLIGHTS> ugh
[11:25] <azizLIGHTS> so this is wrong?
[11:30] <azizLIGHTS> joschi: ok well putting full path /sbin/start-stop-daemon, and adding #!/bin/sh to first line, now the script works with service dropbox start, confirmed it with ./dropbox.py status
[11:32] <Wise_> I'm trying to create a disk image of my ubuntu install, with clonezilla... but it's telling me that the partitiont able in the disk is illegal/invalid, not supported by parted, with the error "can't have overlapping partitions", anyone know how I deal with this?
[11:32] <Wise_> err, partition table* -_-
[11:37] <azizLIGHTS> ok i edited the dropbox wiki for it, ty for input joschi
[12:15] <MarkAng> How can I see and change the port used by my Ubuntu server to access the internet?
[12:16] <MarkAng> We're planning on using it to create and distribute images to computers using PXE.
[12:17] <MarkAng> But it isn't able to reach the ubuntu archives, like the ones specified in the sources.list file.
[12:18] <joschi> MarkAng: that'll be on destination port 80/tcp (http). the source port is random
[12:19] <MarkAng> The reason I'm asking is that we're operating under a company-wide network that has restrictions on certain ports. For instance, the port used by uTorrent is blocked. Is it possible to instruct my server to use or not use a certain port?
[12:21] <MarkAng> Anyone?
[12:22] <_ruben> if they're blocking based on source port, hit 'em with a cluebat, a lot
[12:22] <_ruben> if they're blocking port 80, you should probably use the proxy they provide
[12:23] <MarkAng> They're not blocking port 80, as I'm able to access web pages. \
[12:24] <shauno> do you have a specific error from trying to reach the archives?
[12:24] <_ruben> what does your sources.list look like then? those tend to list http urls
[12:25] <MarkAng> They do. But whenever we issue a command that should use the repositories inside to update and/or install programs (in this case, a GUI for the text-based server)
[12:26] <MarkAng> t says it cannot reach the destination files.
[12:26] <MarkAng> Cannot reach/cannot find.
[12:26] <pmatulis> "a GUI for the text-based server"?
[12:27] <MarkAng> Yes. It's command-line as you know, and we know there are GUI skins available.
[12:28] <MarkAng> We try to install one to make life a little easier for us, but so far no good.
[12:28]  * Pici scratches his head
[12:28] <Pici> Which package are you trying to install?
[12:28] <MarkAng> Hang on, let me check
[12:28] <MarkAng> ..
[12:28] <pmatulis> MarkAng: you most probably need to configure a proxy for apt-get
[12:28] <MarkAng> We use either of the following commands, but neither one works:
[12:28] <MarkAng> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:29] <MarkAng> sudo aptitude  install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-desktop
[12:31] <MarkAng> Both commands should fetch a desktop-like environment and overlay it over the command-line.
[12:31] <MarkAng> But like said before, they don't work.
[12:33] <MarkAng> Guys?
[12:34] <pmatulis> MarkAng: well.  is your company using a proxy or not?
[12:34] <MarkAng> I think they are, yes. Im an IT intern, so I'm not sure what it is.
[12:34] <pmatulis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Setting%20up%20apt-get%20to%20use%20a%20http-proxy
[12:37] <Caribou> you would need a statement like "Acquire::http::proxy "{proxy URL}"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf file
[12:44] <MarkAng> It's a large organisation, spanning multiple cities and with hundreds of schools. The only persons that could tell me what the proxy is are out of reach.
[12:46]  * _ruben puts a sticker MarkAng's server: Warranty void if desktop packages are installed
[12:52] <Caribou> MarkAng: don't you have a web browser somewhere that would be configured with the same proxy ?
[12:59] <MarkAng> I just asked an admin that returned to the office, and we have no proxy.
[13:00] <pmatulis> MarkAng: confirm that your server can reach the internet in general?
[13:01] <Caribou> you might want to try 'wget http://www.google.com' to see if you can hit the Internet
[13:03] <pmatulis> Caribou: are you dumming down my comments or do you not see what i'm writing?
[13:04] <Pici> w3m is installed by default I believe.
[13:04] <Caribou> no, I'm just adding a suggestion to your comment : he could confirm that he can reach the internet by doing that. Sorry if it seems rude
[13:05] <pmatulis> Caribou: alright
[13:28] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[13:30] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: howdy
[13:31] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: how's it going man, up early today huh?
[13:37] <RapidTraffic> Webmasters, you interested in some HQ, 24h ip unique, content and geotargeted traffic?
[13:39] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: always.. the baby knows just when to wake me up so I can't go back to sleep :p
[13:43] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: look the bright side.. you can now say you wake up earlier than everybody else her ein the US >P
[13:43] <RoAkSoAx> (everybody else on the team)
[13:50] <zul> SpamapS: its genetic ;)
[14:04] <medberry> Caribou, howdy
[14:05]  * Caribou waves back
[14:39] <yann2> hello! what is the most appropriate package to provide the command "mail" - mailutils?
[14:41] <yann2> there is also bsd-mailx...
[14:41] <hallyn> i think i usually install mailutils
[14:42] <hallyn> dunno why.  works, though.
[14:42] <soren> I used to use mailx.
[14:42] <genii-around> yann2: It used to be something like bsd-mailutils but I think just the mailutils now
[14:42] <soren> In acient times, at least.
[14:42] <soren> For the last decade, I've used mutt, though.
[14:42] <soren> ..but if I needed "mail", I'd use mailx. No particular reason.
[14:42] <yann2> soren, so used I, but http://pastealacon.com/27001
[14:43] <soren> yann2: bsd-mailx == mailx, IIRC.
[14:43] <patdk-wk> well, mailx == rh mail, and most other peoples mail command
[14:44] <yann2> ok, I ll go for that
[14:44] <yann2> thanks
[15:05] <bricas> I set up some logrotate config files for my web server logs (monthly rotation), it's been running well over the last 6 months -- except for some reason it decided to rotate things yesterday (15th). Anyone else experience this? Any hints as to how I might diagnose why?
[15:18] <Daviey> bricas, Depends on the rotate rule.... Did it rotate on filesize, rather than date?
[15:20] <bricas> Daviey: http://nopaste.snit.ch/37851 # changed real domain to example.com for the paste, but everything else is straight copy+paste.
[15:24] <Daviey> bricas, how odd... Nothing obvious is jumping out at me.
[15:25] <bricas> Daviey: yeah, i didn't think my config was off -- like i said, it's been running well for the last 6 months. on the 1st of each month, it seems to fire.
[15:25] <bricas> Daviey: there's no obvious place that would log something like "logrotate running .. rotating log $foo because of $bar" ?
[15:26] <Daviey> not really..
[15:27] <bricas> of course not :)
[15:48]  * patdk-wk teachs bricas to use symlinks :)
[15:50] <bricas> patdk-wk: ...? rather than a copy of the log, perhaps? :)
[15:50] <patdk-wk> ya :)
[15:51] <bricas> patdk-wk: i only did a copy because i was afraid someone was going to mess that file up, honestly. paranoid am i. :)
[15:58] <hallyn> Daviey: if you'd like to chat sometime about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-server, please ping me.
[16:00] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: hallyn include me on your conversation ^^
[16:04] <Daviey> hallyn / RoAkSoAx: Yes!  That would be wonderful.. I'm so pleased you are both enthusiastic about that one. :)
[16:09] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: :)
[17:34] <SpamapS> http://wiki.spamaps.org/
[17:40] <patdk-wk> 1.7sec page load time :(
[17:43] <jiboumans> soren, ttx, are you guys likely to head the celery way for messaging? http://wiki.openstack.org/UseCeleryAsQueueManager
[17:52]  * RoAkSoAx goes out for lunch
[18:17] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: no surprise when your mysql db is on a t1.micro ;)
[18:25] <patdk-wk> SpamapS, actually, it's more of an issue of only using 1 dns name for the server :)
[18:25] <patdk-wk> 500ms per request, and they are getting delayed :)
[18:30] <SpamapS> so its not 1 dns name, but that you didn't have the dns name cached
[18:31] <SpamapS> my resolver responds in 50 - 100 ms once its cached..
[18:31] <SpamapS> your browser shouldn't be requesting it multiple times
[18:35] <_ruben> hm, a dig +trace wiki.spamaps.org doesn't go beyond the .org servers
[18:39] <zul> jiboumans: probably not but check on #openstack
[18:39] <jiboumans> zul: will do
[18:48] <hallyn> kirkland: around ?
[18:49] <hallyn> kirkland: the vgabios package's links file is still sending links to /usr/share/kvm.  is tehre a reason for that?  or can i fix that to /usr/share/qemu?
[18:49] <hallyn> kirkland: bc otherwise if you isntall vgabios first and then qemu-kvm, then qemu-kvm doesn't find vgabios
[18:50] <kirkland> hallyn: howdy
[18:51] <kirkland> hallyn: please put it in /usr/share/qemu
[19:05] <orudie> what is the minimum ram required for ubuntu server 64 bit ?
[19:06] <genii-around> orudie: I have a box here with 192Mb it runs on
[19:07] <cloakable> I've seen a minimal install use 32Mb
[19:07] <orudie> so 64 bit is recommended ?
[19:08] <genii-around> if your cpu is 64 bit
[19:08] <_ruben> 128MB seems to be the documented minimum
[19:51] <kirkland> hallyn: you've been on a bug triaging tear :-)
[19:51] <kirkland> hallyn: my bug-mail inbox is *full*  :-)
[19:53] <kirkland> hallyn: also, i see the vgabios merge proposal ... don't you have upload rights to vgabios?
[19:53] <kirkland> hallyn: or do you just want a sanity check?
[19:58] <geekbri> question, is there something lightweight that can be installed if i only want to do outgoing mail from my server and dont care about incoming mail?
[20:02] <SpamapS> geekbri: smail might be what you're looking for
[20:05] <geekbri> SpamapS: thanks
[20:16] <jsemar> I need to set up an smtp server to act as a relay for my ec2 instances, can one of you guys point me to a decent tutorial for that?
[20:18] <cloakable> apt-get install postfix
[20:18] <cloakable> Follow directions.
[20:19] <jsemar> thanks cloakable
[20:19] <jsemar> thats awesome
[20:19] <cloakable> jsemar: ubuntu is pretty easy to use :)
[20:20] <jsemar> yeah i know, but your answer is useless, obviously i can install postfix, but i need for the ec2 instance to have its postfix .cnf file send mail to my postfix installation on probably linode
[20:21] <jsemar> so theres authentication, and all sorts of things besides 'sudo apt-get install postfix'
[20:22] <cloakable> By default ubuntu postfix uses system accounts. You want smarthosting.
[20:22] <_ruben> well, you didn't mention authentication in the first place
[20:23] <cloakable> Also, does your linode have a static ip? Use that for authentication.
[20:23] <_ruben> no experience with ec2, but if the ips are static, you can just use those as restrictions
[20:23] <cloakable> yea
[20:29] <jsemar> you wouldnt recommend using sasl/smpt auth
[20:32] <_ruben> depends on the scenario
[20:40] <geekbri> damnit, is there anyway to find out why another mail server is refusing your connection... I know i must be missing something that is causing it to make me marked as spam and refusing my connection but they just say error 550 connection refused
[20:41] <_ruben> contact its postmaster
[20:46] <Patrickdk> heh, ip's for ec2 are static per instance
[20:47] <Patrickdk> so if you use ebs fs's, and stop/start, ip will change
[20:48] <Patrickdk> kind of like a cable modem :)
[20:48] <Patrickdk> as long as it doesn't go down, your likely to have the same ip forever
[20:48] <Patrickdk> but no guarrentee :)
[20:54] <geekbri> well yeah that i know
[20:54] <geekbri> but i have an elastic IP assigned to the instnace
[20:56] <SpamapS> jsemar: given that your instances will be ephemeral, you'll probably want to use sasl+tls
[20:57] <SpamapS> jsemar: Its similar to the config I use for my laptop to relay through a smart host.
[20:57] <RoyK> natty installation was quite nice, btw, at least on the desktop - it starts installing in the background before asking stupid questions like username/timezone etc :)
[20:57] <SpamapS> geekbri: EC2 ips, even the elastic IPs, are pretty much banned by now
[20:57] <SpamapS> too much abuse out there.
[20:58] <SpamapS> RoyK: I think Maverick did that too..
[20:58] <geekbri> i guess that makes sense... its just unfortunate when you want to send automated emails to yourself :)
[20:58] <SpamapS> does.. shouldn't refer to the stable release in the past tense.. ;)
[20:58] <RoyK> SpamapS: oh - dunno - haven't installed a maverick desktop yet - only upgraded to it...
[21:01] <geekbri> you know whats nice?
[21:01] <geekbri> ubuntu on ec2, i haven't found a server distro with as much support as it yet.
[21:23] <ccm> Hi there
[22:03] <hallyn> kirkland: I don't yet have the upload rights
[22:03] <hallyn> (I test with a vmbuilder push that I want to do every morning :)
[22:39] <kirkland> hallyn: still around?
[22:40] <hallyn> yup
[22:41] <hallyn> kirkland: what's up?
[22:41] <kirkland> hallyn: just sent you the kvm auto install magic
[22:41] <hallyn> ah, thanks.
[22:41] <kirkland> hallyn: essentially, it's:
[22:41] <kirkland> boot an ubuntu server ISO and append "priority=critical locale=en_US url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa" to the kernel  command line
[22:42] <kirkland> hallyn: noting that we might need to tweak the preseed file which is pointed to by url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa"
[22:42] <kirkland> nqa is my acronym for "no questions asked"
[22:42] <hallyn> and so i should test it and send it on to the kvm-autotest folks?
[22:43]  * hallyn is watching grub compile and his memory is failing him
[22:45] <kirkland> hallyn: right
[22:46] <kirkland> hallyn: what i've never quite been clear on
[22:46] <kirkland> hallyn: is what/how they want to call this
[22:46] <kirkland> hallyn: note that the preseed pointed to by that bit.ly link should probably go into kvm-autotest's source control
[22:46] <kirkland> hallyn: and it'll need to be web-retrievable from somewhere, perhaps a raw git print
[22:46] <kirkland> hallyn: and you can shorten that with bit.ly or the like
[22:47] <kirkland> hallyn: does that make sense?
[22:47] <hallyn> are bit.ly links permanent?
[22:47] <oraqol> hey yall, quick question, what exactly is Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud?  Is it a virtualization platform?  I've got a quadcore amd 6 gig rig, is that enough to support it?
[22:47] <hallyn> (that is, until .ly goes down :)
[22:48] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah
[22:48] <kirkland> hallyn: sure
[22:48] <kirkland> hallyn: full urls are fine too in there
[22:48] <kirkland> hallyn: and if it's called by a script, there's no need to obfuscate it behind a url shortener
[22:49] <hallyn> kirkland: ok, i'll take a look at that next week.  (i'm out rest of this week).  thanks
[22:49] <kirkland> hallyn: if you're typing it in by hand (which i do often do to quickly get a vm installed, hands off)
[22:49] <kirkland> hallyn: it's nice to have a bit.ly link :-)
[22:49] <kirkland> hallyn: sure
[22:49] <hallyn> you control your dns don't you  so you could shorten p.c.c/~kirkland/preseed.cfg
[22:49] <kirkland> hallyn: heh
[22:49] <kirkland> hallyn: i reckon i could
[22:50] <kirkland> hallyn: i'm at austin java, at the moment though
[22:50] <kirkland> hallyn: and i haven't pwned their dns....yet.... :-)
[22:50] <hallyn> ah   been back to thunderbird?
[22:50] <kirkland> hallyn: i haven't, actually
[22:50] <kirkland> hallyn: i just finished the bag of beans i bought there, though, so i was thinking about it yesterday
[22:50] <kirkland> hallyn: i didn't pick you to be one for march madness
[22:51] <hallyn> huh?
[22:51] <hallyn> you'd have been right
[22:51] <kirkland> *robbiew is taking the rest of the week off to watch basketball :-P
[22:51] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: maybe magic can be put into cobbler to install images with koan using that presseed
[22:51] <hallyn> oh :)
[22:51] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: either there, or in orchestra
[22:51] <hallyn> unrelated :)
[22:51] <kirkland> hallyn: i know, i was kidding
[22:52] <kirkland> hallyn: i assume you care none whatsoever for NCAA basketball :-)
[22:52] <hallyn> right, but apparently our esteemed prez does
[22:53] <oraqol> no love?
[22:53] <hallyn> so i found 'conboy' for the n900 today.  it does tomboy format, and syncs to ubuntu one!  yay
[22:53] <hallyn> oraqol: kirkland could answer you best i think :)
[22:53] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: definitely in orchestra. But with koan we can easily install KVM images using it on the host, but right now the use of koan to install Ubuntu images is broken :)
[22:53] <kirkland> oraqol: what's your question?
[22:54] <hallyn> (just hit up-arrow twice i think)
[22:54] <oraqol> is it a virtualization platform?
[22:54] <hallyn> uec
[22:54] <kirkland> oraqol: UEC = Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud
[22:55] <kirkland> oraqol: i suppose you could call it a virtualization platform; your hardware is enough to support it, yes
[22:55] <hallyn> oraqol: it's intended for making clusters.  what is your intended use?
[22:55] <kirkland> oraqol: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall#STEP%201:%20Prerequisites
[22:55] <oraqol> right now im running two vms on vanilla ubuntu server, one of which is a pbx, should i just be using uec as the host os?
[22:56] <kirkland> hallyn: i'll commit/upload vgabios now, if you like
[22:56] <kirkland> oraqol: do you often need to spin new vm's up and down?
[22:57] <oraqol> no, they tend to be always running
[22:57] <hallyn> kirkland: please do, thanks
[22:57] <kirkland> oraqol: probably not necessary in your case
[22:57] <kirkland> oraqol: kvm + libvirt is probably enough
[22:57] <oraqol> ok cool, thanks guys, much more responsive than the #ubuntu chan
[22:57] <oraqol> ttyl!
[22:58] <hallyn> all right one more attempt at building grub2 in my vm.  then i give
[22:58] <hallyn> up
[22:58] <kirkland> hallyn: oh
[22:58] <kirkland> hallyn: actually, we need one more thing to make this vgabios work
[22:59] <hallyn> ?
[22:59] <kirkland> $ dpkg -S /usr/share/qemu/vgabios.bin
[22:59] <kirkland> qemu-common: /usr/share/qemu/vgabios.bin
[22:59] <kirkland> hallyn: qemu-common puts symlinks in that particular path
[22:59] <kirkland> hallyn: so we'll have dpkg conflicts
[22:59] <hallyn> hold on - maybe not (checking)
[23:00] <hallyn> oh
[23:00] <hallyn> so why does qemu-common create that link?  if it doesn't provide the file?
[23:00] <kirkland> hallyn: so actually, i think we just need to remove vgabios/debian/links entirely
[23:00] <kirkland> hallyn: okay, here's the logic ...
[23:00] <hallyn> well then qemu-common needs to add a bunch more
[23:00] <hallyn> (vgabios.qxl.bin, etc)
[23:00] <kirkland> hallyn: vgabios puts its bios files in a path that it "owns", /usr/share/vgabios/*
[23:01] <kirkland> hallyn: qemu-common depends on vgabios to be functional
[23:01] <kirkland> hallyn: and qemu, itself, expects those vgabios files to be in /usr/share/qemu/*
[23:01] <kirkland> hallyn: so it should be up to qemu to put symlinks in its owned path to the data it needs
[23:02] <kirkland> hallyn: and if qemu needs to add more links, then so be it
[23:02] <kirkland> hallyn: but it should be up to qemu package to do that
[23:02] <kirkland> hallyn: makes sense?
[23:02] <hallyn> sure
[23:02] <hallyn> it does make sense
[23:03] <hallyn> so scratch that merge request :)
[23:03] <kirkland> hallyn: okay, i'm going to fix that in the branch and upload
[23:03] <hallyn> which branch?
[23:03] <hallyn> both should be done at once, probably, so if you wanted to wait until monday...
[23:04] <hallyn> i.e. you can't remove the links from vgabios without fixing qemu-common, without biting some people, right?
[23:05] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, no, i don't think that's a problem
[23:05] <kirkland> hallyn: what extra links are needed in qemu-common?
[23:06] <kirkland> hallyn: vgabios uploaded
[23:06] <kirkland> hallyn: i'm looking at qemu now
[23:08] <hallyn> Well, vgabios has all those oterh bios names now...
[23:09] <kirkland> hallyn: ah, yes, i see
[23:09] <kirkland> hallyn: i'll get those fixed now
[23:10] <hallyn> kirkland: thanks!
[23:15] <kirkland> hallyn: gotta run now, but i'll get it uploaded tonight
[23:15] <kirkland> hallyn: bzr is really slow over public wifi :-(
[23:17] <hallyn> kirkland: s/over.$//
[23:18] <hallyn> oh no did i say that?
[23:18] <hallyn> kirkland: thanks, ttyl
[23:19] <hallyn> kirkland: btw, it helps to preseed (if you will) your laptop...  I have one shared bzr repo which makes subsequent re-fetches of a tree pretty fast no matter what