[04:41] <gihef> I do not run them simultaneously
[04:41] <kozz> _6StringKng_: that might very well be the problem, also had problem with shutting down sometimes on my laptop while using fglrx, with the radeon driver it works every time
[04:41] <ForgeAus> um then do you mount one from the other?
[04:41] <gihef> the first time i changed the datadir of mysql to the /var/lib/mysql of my other partition i got something with diskspace
[04:41] <gihef> yes
[04:41] <_6StringKng_> k
[04:42] <kozz> _6StringKng_: fglrx is a bit buggy unforntunately
[04:42] <_6StringKng_> yeah
[04:42] <_6StringKng_> whats the differences between the two? one better than the other?
[04:42] <ForgeAus> well why can't you import/open from a mount?
[04:42] <gihef> then i changed the rights to let anyone access the directory
[04:43] <mey> hola los canales espaol?
[04:43] <gihef> and now, it doesn't seem to start
[04:43] <gihef> /etc/init.d/mysql start
[04:43] <gihef>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld
[04:43] <kozz> _6StringKng_: fglrx is developed by ATI and just released as a binary while the radeon driver in xorg is open. Performance wise fglrx is much better than radeon however
[04:43] <mey> hola
[04:43] <mey> espaa canale s?
[04:43] <_6StringKng_> k, thanks
[04:44] <mey> hola algien hbla mi idioma
[04:45] <_6StringKng_> well I found what might possibly be a fix for the shutdown/restart probs on a forums, supposed to add acpi=force to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst file, maybe that might work
[04:45] <abattoir> !es | mey
[04:45] <ubotu> mey: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:46] <gihef> ForgeAus, I don't want to import, but use the same db with whatever version of ubuntu i start
[04:46] <slyfox> How can I play quicktime ?
[04:46] <mey> abattoir:  mersy cenksss
[04:46] <BluesKaj> mplayer
[04:46] <abattoir> slyfox: you need to install codecs
[04:46] <abattoir> !codecs | slyfox
[04:46] <ubotu> slyfox: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:46] <BluesKaj> !mplayer
[04:46] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[04:46] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[04:46] <gihef> the username and groups of my mounted partition does not appear correclty, i only see numbers
[04:46] <slyfox> BluesKaj: is there an easy way to isntall mplayer ?
[04:47] <ForgeAus> well mysql command is proably a binary to start the features of mysql not the actual database, the program itself...
[04:47] <ForgeAus> so changing the permissions for the program probably isn't a good idea
[04:47] <streather> is there a keyboard shortcut for the pacakage manager for kubuntu or something?
[04:48] <abattoir> streather: you can create one if you want...
[04:48] <_6StringKng_> could someone help me with Beryl????
[04:48] <_6StringKng_> was thinking about installing iut
[04:48] <_6StringKng_> it*
[04:48] <abattoir> streather: Kcontrol->Regional and Accessibility->Keyboard shortcuts should be it
[04:48] <BluesKaj> _6StringKng_, /join #beryl
[04:48] <abattoir> !beryl | _6StringKng_
[04:49] <ubotu> _6StringKng_: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:49] <streather> abattoir i don't have any controls what so ever, all i can do atm is open a help window and use that window to open firefox >_<
[04:49] <abattoir> streather: try Alt+F2 and type adept_manager in that dialog
[04:50] <abattoir> streather: what do you mean? you don't have access to the menu?
[04:50] <streather> i mean kde isn't working what so ever
[04:50] <streather> when i log in all i get is background and a cursor
[04:51] <larsivi> streather: there seems to be several issues with input - and it may be an upgrade problem - did you upgrade to kde 3.5.6 ?
[04:52] <streather> i did
[04:52] <larsivi> streather: I had similar problems yesterday, but was able to "fix" it by clearing my user's .kde/share/config directory
[04:53] <larsivi> I copied back some of the files afterwards, but I didn't figure exactly which file(s) were at fault
[04:53] <gihef> ForgeAus , Do you have any idea what I should do then ?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type, : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:54] <Jucato> !xconfig
[04:54] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[04:54] <Jucato> ubotu: ping
[04:54] <ubotu> pong
[04:54] <BluesKaj> To configure only the driver and resolution, type : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[04:54] <BluesKaj>
[04:54] <ForgeAus> gihef find where mysql stores its databases (the datafiles not the program ones)
[04:55] <ForgeAus> then import/open them
[04:55] <BluesKaj> oops :)
[04:56] <heya0007> have anyone here used C72 Siemens Mobile Phone on linux?
[04:57] <xenol> where in konqueror can i set that it wont log what i have searched in google or when i am logging somewhere plz
[04:58] <heya0007>  hey, i need to install a usb cable to comunicate with my C72 mobile phone (siemens), can you guys help me? what kernel modules should i load?
[04:59] <_6StringKng_> how do I find new themes for kde?
[04:59] <xenol> _6StringKng_:  www.kde-look.org
[04:59] <_6StringKng_> alright, know that, shoudl have said, how do I install them?
[04:59] <tier> hello, the proprietary ati driver seems not to work for ati mobility 9600/9700 m10
[05:00] <tier> anyone with a ati 9600/9700 ?
[05:01] <streather> ok i can't open a terminal window with the alt +f2 shortcut and i cant get into the kde directory :(
[05:01] <streather> if i have to reinstall again im going to have a nervous breakdown or something
[05:02] <BluesKaj> xenol, look in config konqueror/history sidebar/clear history
[05:02] <larsivi> streather: Are you able to logout using the kmenu ?
[05:02] <streather> nope
[05:02] <xenol> Blue thx
[05:02] <larsivi> streather: nothing at all?
[05:03] <xenol> BluesKaj: didnt helped
[05:03] <streather> nothing what so ever lol
[05:03] <drkm> once I've installed a theme, where do I go to turn it on (where in settings?)
[05:03] <larsivi> streather: if you reboot, do you get the login screen normally? then you can choose console login instead of logging in normally
[05:04] <streather> yeah if i reboot i get the login screen normally its just after logging in everything goes mad >.<
[05:05] <larsivi> streather: same as I had
[05:05] <BluesKaj> xenol, strange ...din't work for me either ..WTH ?
[05:05] <larsivi> streather: do a console login
[05:05] <streather> aight
[05:05] <streather> then remove everything in the kde directory?
[05:06] <larsivi> streather: no, just mv /home/youruser/.kde/share/config to oldconfig or something
[05:06] <xenol> BluesKaj:  hmm dunno i am thinking about it now do u know wat i mean? i just want to remove  phrase offers
[05:06] <larsivi> the rest wasn't a problem for me
[05:06] <heya0007> anyone here download pictures from siemens mobile phones on linux?
[05:06] <streather> aight
[05:06] <streather> back shortly
[05:07] <larsivi> streather: if you have done any setup at all, you will most likely want to keep some of those config files around (to copy them back)
[05:07] <BluesKaj> I'm not worried about my surfing history so it's not a big deal to me :)
[05:08] <xenol> well me neither
[05:08] <hatta> I'm worried about your surfing history
[05:09] <xenol> hatta:  then how u remove that browser is offerng u phrases u mentioned? =)
[05:10] <hatta> I think you turn off browser.search.suggest.enabled in about:config
[05:12] <xenol> hatta:  not possible in konqueror :/
[05:12] <hatta> oh heh
[05:12] <hatta> don't use it
[05:13] <xenol> hatta: konqueror rox :D
[05:13] <hatta> maybe a little
[05:13] <hatta> I do like that you can detach tabs
[05:13] <hatta> I generally use krusader for file browsing though
[05:15] <xenol> hatta: right-click on location bar -> completion mode -> none in konqueror
[05:16] <larsivi> hatta: if you click on the G in konqui, you can set up Google Suggest
[05:17] <hatta> heh, I don't want google suggest
[05:17] <larsivi> hatta: so set it to never ;)
[05:17] <hatta> I don't use konqueror
[05:17] <hatta> lol
[05:18] <larsivi> oh, who asked then? :P
[05:18] <hatta> xenol
[05:18] <naser> hello
[05:18] <drkm> how do I install KDE headers with apt-get?
[05:18] <BluesKaj> xenol, Firefox is a better browser than konq anyway
[05:18] <larsivi> BluesKaj: of course not ;)
[05:18] <naser> i want to use open-gl in linux how ???????????
[05:19] <xenol> yeah it true btw if i install FF from repo will it  have that awful blue icon or traditional like in win?
[05:19] <BluesKaj> well larsivi , it is from my POV
[05:19] <BluesKaj> :)
[05:19] <cntb> is it permissible to << sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange >>> while in X ?
[05:19] <drkm> how do I install KDE headers with apt-get?
[05:19] <simone_> but you are english
[05:19] <cntb> naser specify graphic card lps
[05:19] <cntb> pls
[05:20] <simone_> ohohohoh
[05:20] <drkm> how do I install KDE headers with apt-get?
[05:21] <simone_> just do
[05:21] <naser> what is the software of open-gl
[05:21] <naser> ??????????
[05:21] <zorglu_> !info kde-devel
[05:21] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[05:21] <zorglu_> drkm: i think this should do it
[05:21] <simone_> c' un italiano?
[05:22] <zorglu_> !it | simone_
[05:22] <ubotu> simone_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:22] <simone_> ah nn lo sapevo
[05:22] <naser> ??????????
[05:22] <simone_> where are you from?
[05:23] <zorglu_> naser: overponctuation
[05:23] <simone_> wow
[05:24] <zorglu_> drkm: kde-devel-extras may be of interest too, but i dunno what it is exactly
[05:24] <zorglu_> !info kde-devel-extras
[05:24] <ubotu> kde-devel-extras: extra development applications for use with KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:49 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 40 kB
[05:24] <NotSure> is there a good kde app to listen to internet radio stations?
[05:25] <zorglu_> !player
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <cntb> !aixgl
[05:25] <zorglu_> NotSure: try amarok
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aixgl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <xenol> !kradio
[05:25] <simone_> no there aren't
[05:25] <ubotu> kradio: Comfortable Radio Application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1beta1.0snapshot20051127-2 (edgy), package size 1713 kB, installed size 8616 kB
[05:25] <NotSure> thanks zorglu_
[05:25] <xenol> NotSure: u can try kradio but amarok is way much better
[05:26] <NotSure> trying it now
[05:27] <drkm> zorglu: it said the following when I tried to install kde-devel
[05:27] <drkm> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:27] <drkm>  kde-devel: Depends: kde-core (>= 5:47) but it is not installable
[05:27] <drkm> etc
[05:27] <drkm> what do I need to do?
[05:27] <zorglu_> drkm: you did a 'apt-get update' ?
[05:28] <drkm> I did apt-get install
[05:28] <drkm> should I be doing update?
[05:28] <zorglu_> drkm: yep, you are out of sync with the repository
[05:28] <zorglu_> drkm: do 'apt-get update' to be insync
[05:29] <zorglu_> drkm: then do the 'apt-get install kde-devel' again
[05:29] <zorglu_> !info kde-core
[05:29] <ubotu> kde-core: the K Desktop Environment core modules. In component main, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[05:29] <xenol> wat is better for html creation? nvu bluefish or Q+ :
[05:29] <xenol> ?
[05:29] <cntb> q. can I  <<<< sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange >>> while in X ?
[05:29] <zorglu_> drkm: 5.47 is present
[05:29] <zorglu_> xenol: there are no answer to that. try them and see for yourself
[05:30] <cntb> bbl switching to konversation , shows clearly personally addresed answers better than GAIM
[05:30] <drkm> zor: update sticks on 99%?
[05:30] <zorglu_> drkm: hmm seems like a repository is slow... or frozen
[05:30] <zorglu_> drkm: should not happen
[05:30] <zorglu_> drkm: do you know the one having trouble ?
[05:31] <drkm> zorglu_: not sure.. how can I tell?
[05:31] <zorglu_> drkm: i know no simple way...
[05:31] <zorglu_> drkm: ok close the update and redo update
[05:32] <drkm> ok I'll try again
[05:32] <zorglu_> only the troublesome should do work, so easier to identify... perhaps
[05:32] <drkm> zorglu_: ahh I know the one that isn't working..  I forgot the location
[05:33] <zorglu_> drkm: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:34] <zorglu_> drkm: btw no need to say 'shit' all the time :)
[05:35] <drkm> shit, really? ;)
[05:35] <zorglu_> :)
[05:35] <drkm> damn, it's not the one I thought it was
[05:35] <drkm> it's still sticking on 99%
[05:35] <drkm> does it ever time out?
[05:35] <zorglu_> drkm: dunno, i dont think so
[05:36] <zorglu_> drkm: ok try again the apt-get install kde-devel
[05:36] <zorglu_> drkm: maybe the repository which matter got updated.
[05:36] <zorglu_> but you need to get a proper sources.list
[05:37] <drkm> wana give me yours?
[05:37] <zorglu_> i have a better solution
[05:37] <zorglu_> !source
[05:37] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[05:37] <zorglu_> yuck
[05:38] <zorglu_> this one is no good
[05:38] <drkm> think it might be easier to get a working sources.list
[05:38] <drkm> hmm can you send me yours?
[05:38] <zorglu_> well i could but transfering over the internet is hard
[05:38] <BluesKaj> zorglu_, http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[05:39] <zorglu_> there is a tool in ubuntu.nl to generate one
[05:39] <zorglu_> BluesKaj: what is the url for the generation of a new one. on ubuntu.nl ?
[05:40] <zorglu_> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ <- there!!! drkm
[05:40] <zorglu_> try this one
[05:40] <drkm> ok thanks, let me have a look
[05:40] <BluesKaj> !nl
[05:40] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[05:41] <BluesKaj> they should know where to look in #ubuntu-nl
[05:41] <zorglu_> BluesKaj: i bet you just arrived and did not follow the whole discussion, correct ? :)
[05:42] <joaospinto> hello guys
[05:42] <joaospinto> how can i install fluxbox on Kubuntu
[05:42] <alan__> hola alguien de lima per???
[05:42] <joaospinto> when i ./configure i get an error
[05:42] <carsten> Moin
[05:42] <alan__> o q sepa hablar espaol
[05:42] <zorglu_> !es | alan__
[05:42] <ubotu> alan__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:43] <carsten> I need to know where KMail stores its outbox. It seems that it is not in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/outbox/
[05:43] <zorglu_> carsten: /var/spool/mail ?
[05:44] <BluesKaj> zorglu_, I'm saying you can prolly find a dutch sources list from the ppl at #ubuntu-nl ..ok ?
[05:44] <zorglu_> hmm outbox ?
[05:44] <zorglu_> so /var/spool/mail may not be the place
[05:44] <carsten> zorglu_: yeah, we have a kmail with a mail in the outbox. kamil crashes when I access the outbox so I have to rm the file by hand
[05:45] <zorglu_> BluesKaj: ok there is a misundersting
[05:45] <carsten> zorglu_: the problem is that I have no physical access to the machine, not even via ssh
[05:45] <itzikt>   ?
[05:45] <itzikt>   ?
[05:45] <zorglu_> carsten: how do you expect to rm a file without physical access or ssgh ?
[05:45] <Skrot-> !il
[05:45] <ubotu>         :
[05:45] <ubotu> /join #ubuntu-il
[05:46] <carsten> zorglu_: my sister-in-law sits at the machine, zorglu_
[05:46] <cavallo> lol
[05:46] <carsten> but she has no clue whatso ever about filesystems, so I am "teletyping" via Jabber :)
[05:46] <mattias> Anyone knows how i burn a DVD-image in .img format using Kubuntu? Thanks in advance...
[05:46] <zorglu_> carsten: any chance to get her to install ssh ? :)
[05:46] <carsten> she behind a firewall which she cannot administer
[05:46] <zorglu_> carsten: about the outbox location i dunno
[05:47] <Skrot-> mattias: Think you can do it with k3b
[05:47] <mattias> ok
[05:47] <zorglu_> carsten: and i dont use kmail so i cant give you the location on my box
[05:47] <BluesKaj> Thunderbird FTW ...easier to config
[05:47] <carsten> Anyone else here using KMail?
[05:48] <samiam010203> yes i use kmail actualy kontact
[05:48] <carsten> samiam010203: can you tell me where the file is located?
[05:48] <carsten> s/file/outbox
[05:48] <_6StringKng_> hwo do I use webcams with Kubuntu 6.10?
[05:48] <BluesKaj> KMail sucks ...way too difficult to configure and it's complicated and clunky...beyond me why ppl use it
[05:49] <samiam010203> where what file is located
[05:49] <_6StringKng_> use thunderbird
[05:49] <zorglu_> carsten: you have to drive him on how to find the file
[05:49] <itzikt> hello to everybody
[05:49] <samiam010203> what file is he looking for i just showed up
[05:50] <zorglu_> samiam010203: the outbox file where all the emails sent are stored by kmail
[05:50] <carsten> zorglu_: it is usually in ~./kde/...
[05:50] <samiam010203> ok let me go look
[05:50] <zorglu_> carsten: not me, him :)
[05:50] <itzikt> i didnt sucsses to install firefox in kubuntu
[05:50] <itzikt> who is can to help me?
[05:50] <itzikt> in private chat please
[05:50] <_6StringKng_> how can I use webcams in kubuntu?
[05:51] <_6StringKng_> what do I need to use them?
[05:51] <zorglu_> !webcam
[05:51] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[05:51] <carsten> zorglu_: yeah, the problem is that that directory doesn't exist on her machine
[05:52] <mattias> !taskmanager
[05:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about taskmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <samiam010203> .kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/outbox/cur
[05:53] <mattias> how do i terminate the firefox process, it seems like it's locked...
[05:53] <zorglu_> mattias: there is a 'taskmanager' on ubuntu too, i dont remember the name tho :)
[05:54] <zorglu_> mattias: 'ksysguard' but i dunno if it has been renamed
[05:54] <zorglu_> mattias: or 'killall firefox-bin' in a konsole :)
[05:54] <mattias> ok
[05:55] <mattias> :)
[05:56] <zorglu_> mattias: yep, kmenu -> system -> performance monitor (ksysguard)
[05:56] <zorglu_> there is an applet for that too
[05:56] <samiam010203> just do an ctrl+esc
[05:57] <mattias> ok, i'm used to ctrl alt del :P
[05:58] <zorglu_> so much simpler when you know the magic key stroke :)
[05:58] <_6StringKng_> !webcam
[05:58] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[05:59] <dromer> I need a script se this will happen everytime I log into ubuntu: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/security.html
[05:59] <dromer> the server needs to do $ synergys  and the client needs- to open an ssh connection with the server and restart on localhost
[05:59] <dromer> can I automate this properly? and how?
[05:59] <samiam010203> anyone in here using feisty kubuntu and having samba problems?
[06:02] <alfatau> hello, is there a way to find which is the fastest mirror for kubuntu apt sources? i've a good connection but i tried 4-5 mirrors and i never had been able to download faster then 30kb/sec...
[06:02] <carsten> ok, fixed the issue
[06:03] <dromer> alfatau: hmm, that's not very fast ..
[06:05] <alfatau> dromer: for example... i've another machine with debian sarge installed, and i used http://debian.fastweb.it for apt sources. i can upgrade and install packages at 600kb/sec!! a little difference... don't you?
[06:05] <cavallo> is there any program which one is recording a screen ?
[06:06] <dromer> alfatau: yeah!
[06:06] <alfatau> dromer: no automatic mirror chooser available?
[06:06] <dromer> I think on my debian server I hav e a direct mirror on surfnet (my isp), which gives my like 10-100mbit connection :]
[06:06] <dromer> alfatau: not that I know of ..
[06:07] <jhutchins> alfatau: Yes, take the mirrorselect script from Gento and modify it to use the ubuntu mirrors.
[06:07] <alfatau> jhutchins: where to get mirrorselect? gentoo.org?
[06:08] <jhutchins> alfatau: iirc, yes, or search google, sourceforge for it.  It might actually be a debian script originally.
[06:08] <jhutchins> Tests either connect or small download, returns selected number of mirrors w/ speeds.
[06:08] <jhutchins> Requires a list of all mirrors to be tested and a little hacking.
[06:09] <tier> where is the ati god who lend me some help installing proprietary ati driver on a rv350 ????
[06:09] <mattias> !image
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about image - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <mattias> !img
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about img - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <tier> i have done all the howtos
[06:10] <tier> i hate sony
[06:11] <tier> is there a ubuntu notobook forum?
[06:11] <tier> !notebook
[06:11] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[06:11] <tier> i like this bot
[06:11] <jhutchins> mattias: What are you looking for the iso's?
[06:12] <vlt|home> Hello. There was an update to the package linux-image recently. Where can I find information what has been changed in that latest kernel (security) update?
[06:13] <jhutchins> vlt|home: There's always a changelog included, although I'm not sure where ubuntu puts it.
[06:13] <jhutchins> vlt|home: There were known issues with a recent update.
[06:13] <jhutchins> Which reminds me, need to clean up old kernels on another box...
[06:13] <vlt|home> jhutchins: Thank you. I only want to know how urgently I have to reboot.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> yea - id wait to update for a few days.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> i hear stuff has been fixed... but... :)
[06:15] <tier> join #ubuntu-laptop
[06:16] <BluesKaj> mattias , try renaming the file to .iso ... see if that works
[06:17] <BluesKaj> I renamed some nero made .nrg files to .iso , which are supposed to be iso clones and it worked fine
[06:18] <cavallo> is there any program which one is recording a screen ?
[06:18] <mattias> BluesKaj: ok
[06:20] <cavallo> anybody ? :)
[06:21] <zblach> anyone have time for a quick LaTeX question?
[06:21] <zblach> cavallo: continuous movie style? or screenshot?
[06:22] <cavallo> continuous movie style
[06:22] <Alllex> Hey, I'm running Kubuntu 6.10 at the moment- what folder would contain the Linux source?
[06:22] <hatta> /usr/src
[06:23] <jhutchins> Alllex: That is if you installed it.
[06:23] <Alllex> Thanks
[06:23] <hatta> if you installed the source package
[06:23] <hatta> it'll be a tar.gz in there
[06:23] <BluesKaj> cavallo what are you trying to record ?
[06:23] <andre> hey guys, I've got an issue with the nvidia binaries,  everytime I reboot I have to reinstall the driver... anyone know how to fix this?  I know that it is a known bug.
[06:23] <mattias> btw, how do i install a tar.bz2 file?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> mattias,  in short you DONT.
[06:23] <mattias> ok...
[06:23] <Dr_willis> you uncompress the thing and figure ouyt to do whith whats IN it.
[06:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:24] <mattias> :)
[06:24] <cavallo> BluesKaj: I want to make some reviews of beryl ...
[06:24] <Dr_willis> tar xjvf whatever.tar.bz2
[06:24] <mattias> ok
[06:25] <BluesKaj> mattias, tar xvjf filename.tar.bz2 , then look at the readme in the folder that is generated and the install instructions will be there.
[06:25] <Dr_willis> !unp
[06:25] <ubotu> unp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[06:26] <BluesKaj> sorry cavallo , i don't understand what you mean
[06:26] <cavallo> ?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Hes doing a review site/artical on beryl
[06:26] <Dr_willis> and watns some recordings/clips of the silly eye candy.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:26] <Dr_willis> I THink.
[06:27] <cavallo> Dr_willis: BINGO! :)
[06:27] <BluesKaj> unp eh ..cool , but does it install as well ?
[06:27] <cavallo> who ?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> unp does what it says.. Unpacks... :)
[06:27] <madar> !nvidia
[06:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:28] <jhutchins> mattias: Generally, you want to avoid installing from tarballs, as it's not tracked by the package database.  There's no guarantee that you'll ever be able to un-install the package.
[06:29] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: Isn't there a factoid on that?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> avoide installing stuff from 'source' :)
[06:29] <jhutchins> How hard is it to learn to build your own debs?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> but who ever listens  to the warnings....
[06:29] <madar> anyone out there dealing with this on a recent upgrade
[06:29] <madar> nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.9742
[06:30] <Dr_willis> when i install from source - i try to be sure things install to /usr/local
[06:33] <BluesKaj>  /etc/bash.bashrc: line 59: syntax error: unexpected end of file ....there is no line 59 !
[06:34] <seppel> nabend
[06:36] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  you got quoting issues i bet
[06:36] <Dr_willis> not closed quotes
[06:36] <Dr_willis> or () issues
[06:37] <alex_>        LINUX?     -?  ?
[06:38] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, are quotes allowed ?
[06:38] <BluesKaj> !rs
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <BluesKaj> !ru
[06:38] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[06:39] <_6StringKng_> anyone know why my webcams average fps is around 4 in kubuntu, lmao
[06:39] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, there are quotes around one command , should i edit them out ?
[06:40] <_Snatch_> hi
[06:40] <juka> please help
[06:41] <juka> for two days i've been trying to install the nvidia display driver
[06:41] <juka> it just doesn't seem to want to install
[06:41] <_Snatch_> wow
[06:41] <juka> i always get the "shut down x server"
[06:41] <juka> but i really don't know how........
[06:41] <_Snatch_> ... dunno, i have ati
[06:42] <juka> seems i have to get into root
[06:42] <juka> do you know how to get there, but without using GUI?
[06:42] <jhutchins> juka: do you need to shut x down, or just restart it?
[06:42] <quentin> hi
[06:42] <quentin> :)
[06:42] <juka> shut it down
[06:42] <jhutchins> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[06:43] <gesslar>  /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[06:43] <juka> and if i figured it out correctly, that means i have to get out of GUI.......
[06:43] <gesslar> err, with a sudo
[06:43] <_6StringKng_> my cousin was having trouble with them too
[06:43] <juka> lemme try it
[06:43] <_Snatch_> can someone tell me how to install beryl/XGL on kubuntu
[06:43] <_Snatch_> can someone tell me how to install beryl/XGL on kubuntu
[06:43] <gesslar> i have a link for you
[06:43] <sampan> !beryl
[06:43] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:43] <_Snatch_> thanks!!!!
[06:43] <gesslar> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[06:43] <juka> also
[06:44] <juka> how do I return to GUI after pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[06:44] <gesslar> Ctrl-Alt-F7
[06:44] <juka> and how do i log in as root when in c+a+F1?
[06:44] <juka> :/
[06:44] <juka> thnx
[06:44] <gesslar> log in as your user
[06:44] <gesslar> then su
[06:46] <ubuntu_> plz it is possible to install software on live cd?
[06:47] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: Sometimes/it depends.
[06:47] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: THink about where it would install _to_.
[06:48] <jhutchins> juka: He means use sudo, su won't work.
[06:48] <juka> yeah
[06:48] <ubuntu_> jhutchins:  i want to try out beryl on livecd without messing up my kubuntu on disk soo could i damage smth with system if i install drivers and beryl on live cd?
[06:48] <juka> i figured :/
[06:48] <juka> so I'm logged in with my account, but, whatever I want to do as "root" i use "sudo" before?
[06:48] <juka> before the command i wanna use
[06:48] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: I think beryl is too big to install running the live CD.  You could rebuild the live CD so it uses beryl.
[06:49] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: Consider the fact that beryl is very alpha software, usually broken.
[06:49] <jhutchins> juka: Yes.
[06:49] <jhutchins> !sudo | juka
[06:49] <ubotu> juka: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root").  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:51] <_Snatch_> how do i get admin access to sources.list
[06:51] <_Snatch_> ??
[06:52] <juano__> how can i open a torrent with another torrent client resuming whats already been downloaded with the old client ?
[06:52] <_Snatch_> how do i get admin access to sources.list
[06:52] <_Snatch_> ??
[06:52] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: beryl. formerly novel/suse's compiz.
[06:52] <AmazingRuss> just start your same torrent file
[06:52] <AmazingRuss> it should resume
[06:52] <AmazingRuss> snatch: sudo nano /etc/sources.lust
[06:53] <_Snatch_> thnx!!!!
[06:53] <AmazingRuss> np
[06:53] <ubuntu_> jhutchins:  without rebuilding livecd can i install it?
[06:54] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: You can certainly try.
[06:54] <ubuntu_> jhutchins:  but nothing will mess up
[06:54] <ubuntu_> jhutchins:  with system?
[06:55] <Dr_willis> changing torrent clients - however. may need to set where the downloads are at.
[06:55] <Alarm> hello, i just installed mscorefonts , but i cant see 'tahoma' in the font list. (control center) why is that
[06:55] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: Do you have linux instaled to HD?
[06:55] <ubuntu_> jhutchins:  ye
[06:56] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: What distro?
[06:56] <ubuntu_> jhutchins:  edgy kub
[06:56] <incorrect> is koffice 1.6 really better than openoffice?
[06:56] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: Why not just install beryl on that?
[06:56] <incorrect> not that i've seen a comparision
[06:57] <ubuntu_> jhutchins:  i am afraid that is will crash
[06:57] <jhutchins> incorrect: I hit a problem with oo yesterday.  When I tried to print two files, oo would crash and tell me it was recovering the document.  I moved the files (so I could access them from another system), and one of the files started crashing oo as soon as I tried to open it.  abiword opened it jsut fine.
[06:57] <Dr_willis> Alarm,  you may need to restart the font server, or restart X. never noticed that befor, heh...
[06:57] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: Back it up, try it, if it crashes fix it.
[06:57] <Dr_willis> i just realized i dident have those fonts installed
[06:58] <ubuntu_> jhutchins:  how can i rebuild live cd?
[06:58] <ubuntu_> !rebuild
[06:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rebuild - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:58] <ubuntu_> !livecd
[06:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[06:58] <Alarm> so restarting would fix that problem ?
[06:59] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: Google remastering live linux cd
[06:59] <djwilcox> hi has anyone got the mozilla vlc plugin working
[07:01] <ubuntu_> jhutchins: hmm do u know any live cd that has beryl installed?
[07:01] <gesslar> my beryl freezes
[07:01] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: Not me.
[07:01] <ubuntu_> gesslar:  ur card?
[07:01] <gesslar> nvidia something or other
[07:03] <gesslar> i have to go to another machine on my network, ssh in and kill the process to get it back
[07:03] <jhutchins> ubuntu_: check http://www.beryl-project.org/ there might be something about live CD's there.
[07:03] <gesslar> because i can't restart X or switch terms or anything
[07:05] <juka> omg, i'm really gonna cry now
[07:05] <gesslar> what's up, Juka?
[07:05] <juka> i tried stopping the x server, but then i just get a blank screen and nothing works
[07:05] <angasule> wine crashed on me and now the screen resolution is wrong, how do I restore it?
[07:06] <juka> and i'm supposed to install nvidia drivers
[07:06] <djwilcox> i cant play any video in firefox - cant seem to get the vlc plugin working
[07:06] <juka> someone gave me a link, but i exited and didnt save, can you please send it again?
[07:06] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, do you have a minute ..my FF mplayer plugin doesn't work at this URL ...does it play on yours ?  http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/media/planet_oceandeep_promo.wmv
[07:06] <jhutchins> juka: What do you get when you hit ctrl-alt-F1?
[07:06] <juka> i have to enter username and pass
[07:06] <jhutchins> juka: Yes.
[07:07] <jhutchins> shut down kdm from there, see if that works better.
[07:07] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  wmv? ick; :) lets see.
[07:07] <juka> then i use "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[07:07] <juka> and then everything goes blank
[07:07] <BluesKaj> djwilcox, http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[07:07] <Dr_willis> mine wants to download the video.
[07:07] <juka> i can type but nothing happens
[07:07] <jhutchins> juka: Try ctrl-alt-F1 again, tap enter a couple of times.
[07:07] <juka> yeah, i pressed ALT+F4 and got back to the login screen
[07:07] <djwilcox> im not to keen on mplayer didnt like the quality
[07:08] <djwilcox> is there any way to get the vlc plugin to work
[07:08] <juka> but still cant install the drivers because they "can't be opened" :'((((((((((
[07:08] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  it plays for me in totem. I got that whole series allready. :)
[07:08] <angasule> wine crashed on me and now the screen resolution is wrong, how do I restore it? Why doesn't anyone ever answer this question? no easy solution? I friggin' hate restarting X
[07:08] <gesslar> angasule: have you restarted your X?
[07:08] <gesslar> angasule: that's probably the only way to to dit
[07:08] <gesslar> do it
[07:08] <BluesKaj> totem , ok so yer on gnome desktop ?
[07:09] <jhutchins> juka: You have 4-6 consoles, alt-f1 to alt-f6.  alt-f7 would be your first X console.
[07:09] <angasule> gesslar: no, the point is that an app shouldn't be able to screw up the system, I'd be using windows if I 'wanted' that
[07:09] <jhutchins> juka: What are the filenames?  Are they "owned" by you?
[07:09] <gesslar> the res being incorrect is not a system being screwed up
[07:09] <jhutchins> angasule: Wine is an ongoing project.  Sometimes it works better than others.
[07:10] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, it plays in VLC if i copy the URL and click on it  ...strange :)
[07:10] <jhutchins> angasule: Screwing up X isn't the same as screwing up the system.  What happens if you switch desktops?
[07:10] <angasule> jhutchins: I know, it's not wine's fault, the system should be able to withstand it
[07:10] <juka> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1.run and it's in my home directory
[07:10] <juka> also, i put one in the /tmp but it disappeared
[07:10] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  i rarely ever want a video to play IN the browser. :) other then youtube.
[07:10] <angasule> jhutchins: it's just X's resolution that's screwed
[07:11] <Dr_willis> angasule,  kde has that resolution/slider/config thang :) if it works..
[07:11] <gesslar> rofl, how is it not wine's fault when wine crashed and was unable to restore your previous resolution?
[07:11] <jhutchins> juka: Ok, I know NOTHING nvidia-specific, but you might need to set the program as executable, or run it with bash.
[07:11] <juka> executable? bash?
[07:11] <jhutchins> angasule: Ctrl-Alt-Keypad+/- might help.
[07:11] <gesslar> chmod +x filename
[07:11] <gesslar> bash filename
[07:12] <angasule> jhutchins: I think an application crashing and leaving the graphical environment unusable requiring a restart is the windows way
[07:12] <angasule> jhutchins: no, that doesn't work
[07:12] <jhutchins> juka:  You should be following a howto that says what steps to take.
[07:12] <Dr_willis> windows way = you would have to reboot.. not just restart X
[07:12] <angasule> jhutchins: the Settings dialog to change resolution also doesn't work
[07:12] <gesslar> actually, the best way that i found to install nvidia drivers was to use automatix2
[07:12] <gesslar> juka: have you tried that?
[07:12] <jhutchins> angasule: You're running a windows app though, the system is compromized by it.
[07:12] <angasule> Dr_willis: I have to restart every open app, same thing
[07:12] <gesslar> that's how i got my nvidia drivers installed
[07:12] <juka> i have two how-to's printed in front of me, both have commands  which i write but don't do anything
[07:12] <hatta> you don't need to restart x to change your resolution back
[07:12] <hatta> uxe xrandr
[07:13] <juka> such as "#teleinit 3"
[07:13] <hatta> use xrandr
[07:13] <angasule> jhutchins: heh that's BS
[07:13] <Dr_willis> gee... it normally takes me 4 min to install the nvidia drivers following the !nvidia wiki page... beats automatix to me...
[07:13] <gesslar> Dr_willis: thank goodness for you that we're all about altenatives then :)
[07:13] <hatta> angasule, man xrandr
[07:13] <jhutchins> angasule: If you want an isolated windows environment run xen or VMware.
[07:13] <angasule> hatta: I'm looking at xrandr
[07:13] <jhutchins> angasule: wine is a compromise.
[07:14] <hatta> xrandr -s 0 usually works for me
[07:14] <angasule> jhutchins: I'm not running a windows environment, wine is not an emulator
[07:14] <Dr_willis> gesslar,  what would be BEST if nvidia and ATI/amd would quit being idiots and let the disrto install them by default.
[07:14] <gesslar> yes, well
[07:14] <jhutchins> angasule: Right, and gnu's not unix.
[07:14] <hatta> bind it to a hotkey or something and it's fixed
[07:14] <gesslar> i won't disagree there
[07:14] <incorrect> ah i see koffice doesn't have such good word docs support
[07:14] <angasule> working now, phew
[07:14] <angasule> thanks a lot hatta
[07:14] <hatta> gladly
[07:14] <angasule> and the rest: hatta gave the unix answer, 'restart your whole environment' is not a proper answer
[07:15] <gesslar> lol jhutchins
[07:15] <gesslar> restarting x is not "restarting your whole environment"
[07:15] <gesslar> it takes like 10 seconds
[07:15] <angasule> gesslar: can you restart X without killing the apps running on top of it?
[07:15] <gesslar> yes
[07:16] <angasule> gesslar: how?
[07:16] <gesslar> you know i'm lying :p
[07:16] <Dr_willis> the moral of this story.. dont use wine to play games with you got critical stuff running. I guess.
[07:16] <Dr_willis> i still wonder why the KDE 'res change' thing works for some people and not for others.
[07:16] <gesslar> ok, maybe i should say restarting X is not restarting -my- whole environment
[07:16] <Dr_willis> a xorg.conf option perhaps?
[07:16] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: Different video hardware maybe?
[07:16] <angasule> Dr_willis: no critical stuff running, but I don't like crappy answers :P
[07:17] <jhutchins> angasule: So don't run windows programs.  Problem solved.
[07:17] <angasule> gesslar: I run everything inside X, including my consoles (yakuake is great)
[07:17] <gesslar> i love yakuake
[07:17] <angasule> jhutchins: it's not restricted to wine programs, all full screen programs are capable of doing that
[07:17] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  i can change my res on the fly wihe the Pherhirials->monitors/display tool.
[07:18] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: I have krandr, it doesn't always work.
[07:18] <Dr_willis> using the nvidia drivers.
[07:18] <angasule> Dr_willis: I can, too, except when I can't
[07:18] <Dr_willis> krandrtray
[07:18] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[07:18] <Dr_willis> krandrtray - Nifty. :)
[07:18] <Dr_willis> that works for me.
[07:19] <angasule> so, I'm gonna go crash another game
[07:19] <gesslar> lol
[07:19] <gesslar> try armagetronad
[07:19] <gesslar> it's made for crashing
[07:19] <angasule> armagetronad? 'ad'? new version?
[07:19] <gesslar> it's way better than the ones in the repos
[07:19] <Dr_willis> heh - the 'configure display' option in krandtray - pops up a empty window.
[07:19] <angasule> I've always wanted a massive lan party to play armagetron :)
[07:19] <_6StringKng_> what are the beryl channels?
[07:19] <_6StringKng_> beryl is one right?
[07:20] <angasule> _6StringKng_: #beryl
[07:20] <gesslar> i set it to size 10 and it took me about 10 minutes to get to the middle of the arena
[07:20] <_6StringKng_> wasn't there another one?
[07:20] <angasule> #ubuntu-effects is about beryl too, maybe? dunno
[07:20] <angasule> !beryl
[07:20] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:21] <gesslar> angasule: http://www.armagetronad.net/
[07:21] <swanfl> i need the entry in sources.list for amarok 1.4.5
[07:21] <swanfl> I already have the riddel key
[07:21] <angasule> I really hate it when full screen apps don't let you switch to another desktop
[07:22] <gesslar> if only the armagetronad people would make the fonts less nastastic
[07:23] <krol712> koala777
[07:23] <angasule> the closer to the movie, the better
[07:24] <gesslar> maybe they should make it horrible in the moviepix mode, then :p
[07:25] <scotty> Is there aw ay to update Firefox versions without uptdating Kubuntu versions? I want to stay in 6.06 for a little while, but I'd like FF2
[07:25] <scotty> *a way
[07:25] <angasule> they should have the camel toe tron guy in erotic poses as background for the main menu
[07:25] <angasule> !firefox
[07:25] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:25] <gesslar> lol angasule
[07:25] <scotty> thanks, agasule
[07:26] <incorrect> is it me or can't konq render /. ?
[07:26] <angasule> incorrect: /. has the crappiest html, they even block the validator
[07:27] <incorrect> angasule: sadly i am at the point where i only care if it works,  not that someone else sux :)
[07:27] <crazy_penguin> good night!
[07:27] <angasule> wow, they removed the block on the validator: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fslashdot.org
[07:28] <jhutchins> incorrect: It's you.
[07:28] <_Snatch_> while trying to fetch updates in either adept or synaptics package manager, it stops at 99% and says: WAITING FOR HEADERS (99%)-what the #$%&!!??
[07:28] <Dr_willis> heh
[07:28] <Dr_willis> servers are overloaded at this time
[07:28] <gesslar> what part of slashdot does not render
[07:28] <angasule> incorrect: yeah, but it's sad that a geek site has crappy html, and for what it's worth, I read slashdot daily and don't have any real trouble
[07:28] <jhutchins> _Snatch_: use apt-get instead.
[07:28] <_Snatch_> same thing happens
[07:29] <incorrect> im going to stick with firefox for the minute
[07:29] <incorrect> maybe someone will do a gecko+qt one day
[07:29] <jhutchins> angasule: The reason you can't switch apps is that the FS game is grabbing all the input from your controls.  If you had ssh access from another device you could switch.
[07:29] <_Snatch_> jhutchins same thing happens
[07:29] <jhutchins> _Snatch_: Yeah, servers are hammered.
[07:29] <incorrect> /. could use drupal or plone
[07:30] <enzo_> Other than in System Settings > Monitor & Display > Power Saving... is there an area that would make my laptop's monitor go black every 5 minutes of idle time?
[07:30] <_Snatch_> jhutchins it doesn't happen on my other laptop
[07:30] <gesslar> enzo_: sometimes i have a screensaver set that doesn't load, but just turns the screen black.
[07:30] <jhutchins> incorrect: /. predates either of those projects.
[07:31] <incorrect> jhutchins: and hasn't been updated since 2003
[07:31] <incorrect> the slashcode project is dead
[07:31] <_Snatch_> while trying to fetch updates in either adept or synaptics package manager, it stops at 99% and says: WAITING FOR HEADERS (99%)-what the #$%&!!??
[07:31] <incorrect> they could happy use one of the modern cms's
[07:31] <gesslar> deja vu?
[07:31] <_Snatch_> lol
[07:31] <enzo_> gesslar: That might be the same issue
[07:31] <jhutchins> _Snatch_: Stop abusing yourself!  Find another mirror.
[07:32] <gesslar> rofl
[07:32] <gesslar> jhutchins: i thought you were insulting him
[07:32] <gesslar> rofl
[07:32] <gesslar> sometimes my inner geek goes on a coffee break
[07:32] <_Snatch_> jhutchins ... i came to irc to find other mirrors
[07:32] <_Snatch_> lol
[07:33] <gesslar> so why don't you just say "hey, does anybody have a list of mirrors for [blahblahblah?"
[07:33] <streather> out of curiosity is there any osx style docks availible for kubuntu
[07:33] <gesslar> let's see if ubotu has mirrors
[07:33] <Dr_willis> stranger,  none that ive seen worth using..
[07:33] <gesslar> !mirrors
[07:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[07:33] <gesslar> guess not
[07:33] <Dr_willis> stranger,  then again - i hate the OS-X docl
[07:33] <gesslar> streather: i think there's something on kde-apps.org
[07:34] <hellcattrav> hello?
[07:34] <hellcattrav> im new to linux/Kubunut
[07:35] <gesslar> well, hello there, hellcattrav
[07:35] <hellcattrav> hi
[07:36] <_Snatch_> ...
[07:36] <hellcattrav> ok here's my "problem"  I've got XP, and an the install off of the live cd, but I can't get my wireless card working-I posted on the Kubuntu forums(same username)
[07:37] <gesslar> streather: try: sudo apt-get install kxdocker
[07:37] <hellcattrav> i tried ubuntu once(from the live cd) and it recognized my wireless card, but I like the KDE better, but I'm at a loss on what to do
[07:37] <juka> hoyeah! i managed to install the freaking nvidia drivers and they work perfectly, the problem was: I didn't know linux was CASE SENSITIVE about filenames :///////
[07:37] <juka> so whenever i typed something, it said "cannot opet", and i was like WTF?!
[07:37] <juka> :)
[07:37] <gesslar> juka: oh, well. yes, *nix is incredibly sensitive about its cases. don't mention it, it gets a little embarassed about size and whatnot.
[07:37] <juka> anyway, thanks for the help guys :)
[07:38] <juka> now the other problem
[07:38] <gesslar> rofl
[07:38] <gesslar> bring it
[07:38] <juka> why I installed the drivers in the first place
[07:38] <juka> :)
[07:38] <gesslar> for fun and profit?
[07:38] <juka> wait a sec, someones at the door
[07:38] <hellcattrav> gesslar, any idea on what i can do? I'mn a total noob with kubuntu(linux in general)
[07:38] <juka> :)
[07:39] <juka> my ex ;))))))))
[07:39] <juka> anyway, the geforce 6800 has an immensly loud fan!
[07:39] <juka> so the nvclock_qt was supposed to have functions to control fan speed
[07:39] <gesslar> hellcattrav: unfotunately, i don't have any experience with wilan. i tried once, and failed. then then just found it easier to stick in a wired card.
[07:39] <hellcattrav> dang
[07:40] <juka> i installed it via adept manager and there is NO FAN SPEED regulation :(
[07:40] <hellcattrav> anyone else able to help?
[07:41] <gesslar> juka: my apt-cache tells me that this util is for overclocking
[07:41] <juka> eh
[07:41] <estel> hi
[07:41] <juka> i just saw...
[07:41] <juka> the adept manager has 8b1 version, and the current is 8b2
[07:41] <gesslar> juka: nvclock-qt - Allows you to overclock your nVidia card under GNU/Linux
[07:41] <juka> will try it
[07:41] <gesslar> i would try it out, but i don't want to overclock my gpu
[07:42] <hellcattrav>  hey anyone willing to help my noobish self out?
[07:43] <estel> I'm trying to install kubuntu with the alternative installer (text mode), but the installer is unable to find my cdrom device. it is a gsa-h42l and should be /dev/hdg. udev didn't create a device node for hdg, but hda (my hdd) works fine, so it is no problem of ide in general. i created a device node for /dev/hdf, but it still fails. dmesg recognizes the device as ide1 - any ideas?
[07:44] <estel> i have the same problem using knoppix, unfortunately google wasn't much of a help
[07:46] <frojnd> does anyone know for some kind of subtitle workshop or something to edit and modify subtitles ?
[07:47] <liam> hi guys and girls gotta prob with my cd drive any help?
[07:48] <alexicon> hello
[07:48] <hellcattrav> ok, any takers to help me?
[07:48] <alexicon> ive accidentally deleted my /boot partition
[07:48] <alexicon> which means ive lost my kernel and all drivers
[07:48] <liam> my cd drive wont unmount and eject?
[07:48] <alexicon> ive stuck a generic livecd version of the kernel in boot and can boot from that
[07:48] <liam> any ideas
[07:48] <BluesKaj> alexicon, did you reinstall windows
[07:48] <BluesKaj> ?
[07:48] <alexicon> can i just update my system as usual
[07:48] <alexicon> BluesKaj: no suse D:
[07:49] <cntb> alexicon interesting Q.
[07:49] <alexicon> suse ate my boot partition, i thought it would be smart and save all the necessary other distros i have
[07:49] <alexicon> but it didnt
[07:49] <liam> can any one help me?
[07:50] <BluesKaj> so suse took the grub  bootloader out
[07:50] <cntb> Iwould like to hear a solution to your "recovering /boot partition" .
[07:50] <alexicon> yep
[07:50] <alexicon> anyway i stuck a new kernel in its place, and it boots, just with no drivers
[07:50] <liam> ok my cd drive wont unmount and i cant eject
[07:50] <TIRC_6621> ciao a tutti
[07:50] <alexicon> i guess im just going to have to find out the hardway :P
[07:50] <finalmad> c' qualcuno che mi potrebbe aiutare?
[07:50] <alexicon> liam look for any processes still using the cd
[07:50] <cntb> alexicon: lesson learnt ? use custom install not default
[07:51] <alexicon> i did custom.. i thought i had backed up my boot partition, but i only backed up the stupid default /boot directory that it installs with -_-
[07:51] <alexicon> my own stupid mistake
[07:51] <cntb> !it > finalmad
[07:51] <liam> where would i look for the process
[07:51] <alexicon> lsof laim
[07:51] <alexicon> i mean liam
[07:51] <alexicon> >_>
[07:52] <liam> sorry im confused
[07:52] <BluesKaj> there's a grub utility called "super grub" , you can find it on google , DL , burn it in suse then bot up the grubdisk and reinstall grub
[07:52] <BluesKaj> bootup the grub disk
[07:52] <alexicon> grubs not the issue really, i know all the locations it needs to boot off
[07:52] <cntb> supergrub is a bootable
[07:52] <liam> ok this is what it says when i try to dismount
[07:52] <liam> company is - Lorimer Electrical
[07:52] <liam> number - 01325 308555
[07:52] <liam> mobile - 07885 761900 (better just number above like)
[07:52] <liam> owner is called angus lorimer
[07:52] <alexicon> the problem is i lost my vmlinux
[07:52] <alexicon> and bzimage
[07:53] <liam> sorry wrong message
[07:53] <juka> omg, again I can't install what I have installed yesterday!!!!
[07:53] <liam> company is - Lorimer Electrical
[07:53] <liam> number - 01325 308555
[07:53] <liam> mobile - 07885 761900 (better just number above like)
[07:53] <liam> owner is called angus lorimer
[07:53] <juka> the KPackage doesn't recognize .tar.gz file!
[07:53] <blue|palm> Help! Amarok crashed and now it doesnt want to load...
[07:53] <liam> damn thing
[07:53] <liam> ok
[07:53] <juka> and it should xD
[07:53] <juka> x(
[07:53] <juka> lol
[07:53] <alexicon> so what i wonder is if i boot up on this old kernel version and try to update will apt even work
[07:54] <BluesKaj> liam  use pastebin
[07:54] <alexicon> or will it break cos packages it thinks are there really arent
[07:54] <liam> wheres that?
[07:54] <alexicon> !pastebin
[07:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:54] <blue|palm> !amarok
[07:54] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[07:54] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[07:54] <BluesKaj> :)'
[07:55] <moises> i want to add the multiverse repository to my sources.list, what is the line i need to put in it?
[07:55] <gesslar> it should already be there, just uncomment it
[07:55] <liam> unmount: only root can unmount /dev/hdd from media.cdrom0
[07:55] <liam> thats the error message i get
[07:55] <BluesKaj> take the # away from the beginning of the deb...address
[07:55] <blue|palm> what can i do if amarok has crashed and it wont re-load?
[07:55] <Dr_willis> sudo umount /media/cdrom0
[07:55] <moises> i see. well played, gesslar
[07:56] <alexicon> blue|palm: id log out of X then back in and try to resstart amarok
[07:56] <liam> ok what does that mean Dr_willis
[07:56] <alexicon> or do ps -ef | grep -i amarok
[07:56] <moises> wait... no it isn't .all i have in there is universe
[07:56] <alexicon> see if anything is still hanging about
[07:56] <moises> and multiverse, but only under backports
[07:57] <Dr_willis> liam,  that will have root unmount the cdrom.
[07:57] <gesslar> ah, i see that automatix2 added my multiverses
[07:57] <BluesKaj> moises , http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[07:57] <liam> ok so i need to type that in a command line
[07:57] <gesslar> moises: my bad
[07:57] <alexicon> yeah liam in the command line
[07:58] <liam> thanks
[07:58] <alexicon> ok gunna reboot back into my deformed system brb
[07:59] <moises> thanks much =)
[08:00] <moises> fellas, i have a bone to pick with kubuntu. its happened on multiple systems that i've tried, so i know it's not my computer, but
[08:00] <cntb> supergrub disk here http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/ also read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:00] <gesslar> i love my kubuntu
[08:00] <moises> every once in a while i'll try to launch a program and it will randomly not launch. no error message, no problems whatsoever,
[08:00] <gesslar> oh, i get that, too
[08:00] <moises> it'll give me the bouncing mouse icon and a taskbar entry for the launching program
[08:00] <moises> and then it just never ends up launching
[08:01] <gesslar> and then you try again and voila it works
[08:01] <moises> and i spent like 30 seconds of my life waiting for something that just didn't happen.
[08:01] <liam> ok that didnt work i tried sudo unmount /media/cdrom0
[08:01] <hellcattrav> hello- could anyone help me?
[08:01] <hellcattrav> a no would work too
[08:02] <gesslar> if it's still about wilan, i still cannot help
[08:02] <gesslar> sorry :(
[08:02] <cntb> alexicon: why not try and mkdir /boot in root partition
[08:02] <liam> any one help me with this cdrom thing
[08:02] <cntb> then fill it with what is needed
[08:02] <moises> whoops, looks like beryl crashed
[08:03] <gesslar> moises: it freezes on me all the time
[08:03] <gesslar> gesslar: i just uninstalled it last night
[08:03] <gesslar> i'm talking to myself
[08:03] <Dr_willis> liam,  ---->  sudo umount /media/cdrom0
[08:03] <Dr_willis> liam,  note there is no 'n'
[08:03] <ScottK> hellcattrav: Have you looked on the Ubuntu/Kubuntu wikis for wireless stuff?
[08:03] <Dr_willis> and NO i dont know where it went. :)
[08:03] <hellcattrav> yeah i guess it is, im running XP cos i cant get my net up and I've just the laptop(well not true, but the desktop may as well be broke, the internet connection is so slow
[08:03] <liam> yeah i tried that sorry an error entering in here
[08:03] <hellcattrav> yes, i have but i can't make heads or tails
[08:03] <_ubuntu> hey guys, trying to use 5.10 live cd and trying to install lm sensors but it ddoesnt work, any advice?
[08:04] <Dr_willis> if somthing is accessing the cdrom - it wont unmount it.
[08:04] <moises> so i feel like i am getting stood up by a COMPUTER PROGRAM. is there anyway to fix this?
[08:04] <gesslar> or if you're cd'ed into it in a terminal
[08:04] <moises> or, stop it from happening at least
[08:04] <liam> it says please check that the disk is entered correctly
[08:04] <gesslar> moises: i have no idea, i get it all the time too, though i have the distinct impression that it's happening with non-native kde apps. firefox does it most often to me
[08:04] <_ubuntu> anyone?
[08:05] <moises> the one that does it most often to me is adept
[08:05] <moises> quite a native KDE app if you ask me
[08:05] <liam> what was that about it being cd'ed
[08:06] <ScottK> hellcattrav: I don't have time to give you much help, but use 'sudo lspci -v' in a command line to figure out which wireless type you have and then look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported and see if what you have is listed.
[08:06] <hellcattrav> ok
[08:06] <gesslar> liam: if you're in a terminal session and you've cd'ed into any directory on the cdrom then you cannot umount it
[08:06] <hellcattrav> ive made a question on the forums- if you've the time just add a post to my thread(ive the same username on the kubuntu forum)
[08:06] <ScottK> hellcattrav: That command will list all the devices it can find.  IME the wireless device is normall at/near the end of the list.
[08:07] <liam> ok sorry i dont know what that means
[08:07] <hellcattrav> okk thanks
[08:07] <liam> how do i undo that?
[08:07] <ScottK> hellcattrav: I stay far away from the forums.  The noise level is too high.
[08:07] <Dr_willis> liam,  close all programs accessing the cdrom
[08:07] <hellcattrav> oh
[08:07] <hellcattrav> if i could trouble you again- how do i get to the sudu?
[08:07] <liam> they all are
[08:07] <nessuno> WOW
[08:07] <nessuno> SALVE
[08:07] <ScottK> hellcattrav: Feel free to add the infor yourself once you've figured it out.
[08:07] <nessuno> ops
[08:08] <hellcattrav> heres my problem- when i tried to go into the network settings for admin mode it said conversation with sudo failed
[08:08] <ScottK> hellcattrav: Use Konsole to open a command line window and type the commad in there.
[08:08] <ScottK> commad/command
[08:08] <nessuno> italy ??
[08:08] <snovvy> hello all
[08:09] <ScottK> hellcattrav: I have to run, but if you need help learning how to get to a command line, ask for help with that first.
[08:09] <snovvy> why when i compile Glib and next i want to compile GTK+ i got error ?
[08:09] <alexicon> back
[08:10] <alexicon> >_>
[08:10] <snovvy> i think i doing everything right :)
[08:10] <incorrect> i've converted to kde,  how can i purge gnome?
[08:10] <liam> how do i unmount this CD DRIVE!!!! PLEASE HELP!!!
[08:10] <alexicon> hrm
[08:10] <alexicon> losing my kernel seems to have made my wifi card disappear too
[08:10] <alexicon> just as well as i need to repatch the driver anyway
[08:10] <snovvy> right mouse button at CD drive and hit Unmout
[08:10] <incorrect> liam: lsof | grep <your cdrom dir>
[08:11] <liam> ok where do i type that
[08:11] <alexicon> commandline
[08:11] <alexicon> everything gets typed there :P
[08:11] <snovvy> in Console :)
[08:12] <liam> ok whats the charachter after lsof
[08:12] <snovvy> Do I can download compiled Glib somewhere ? :
[08:12] <hellcattrav> ok can someone hlep me get to the command line?
[08:13] <snovvy> K > System > Termianl/Console... [i don;t know what is name in you're distro :)]
[08:13] <incorrect> so how do i purge gnome?
[08:13] <alexicon> or F2 and type konsole
[08:13] <cntb> vasilis
[08:13] <cntb> !gr
[08:13] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[08:14] <liam> ok i give up
[08:14] <snovvy> !pl
[08:14] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[08:14] <snovvy> :)
[08:14] <SSJ_GZ> incorrect:http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[08:14] <alexicon> liam: its called a pipe
[08:14] <liam> dont know how to enter it  though
[08:14] <alexicon> and its usually on the top left corner of your keyboard next to number 1
[08:14] <alexicon> you need shift+alt or some weird combination to get it tho
[08:14] <liam> ok #
[08:14] <alexicon> or just cut and paste it from this window
[08:14] <alexicon> :)
[08:15] <cntb> liam - goes with the backslash
[08:15] <cntb> \|
[08:16] <liam> ok lsof | grep <your cdrom dir> done nothihg
[08:17] <scotty> http://sethkinast.com/photos/index.php?fpp=10&did=4&fid=4 <-- Anyone know what those two widget-like apps on the right of the screenshot are?
[08:17] <liam> and i did enter my cdrom location lol
[08:17] <scotty> rather, are called
[08:17] <SSJ_GZ> liam:Try fuser <your cdrom dir>
[08:18] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt+F1 for command line without the desktop , ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to the desktop
[08:18] <liam> no sorry that didnt work either
[08:18] <JosS> http://meneame.net/story/bluetooth-hacking-seguridad-telefonos-moviles  |||| dale donde dice MENEAME!!!
[08:19] <SSJ_GZ> liam:You mean it didn't print anything at all?
[08:19] <liam> no nothing
[08:19] <SSJ_GZ> liam:What does sudo umount <your cdrom dir> do?
[08:20] <hellcattrav> thanks snovvy
[08:20] <liam> sudo unmount command not found
[08:20] <snovvy> no problem :D
[08:20] <SSJ_GZ> liam:umount, not umount :)
[08:20] <SSJ_GZ> *unmount even
[08:21] <SSJ_GZ> liam:"umount", not "unmount" :)
[08:21] <liam> oh ok sorry
[08:21] <SSJ_GZ> liam:np - as you can see, I managed to make almost exactly the same mistake :)
[08:21] <liam> ah now that worked
[08:22] <liam> thankyou
[08:22] <liam> so do i have to do that every time now
[08:23] <juano__> does anyone know a good .avi to DVD image program _??
[08:23] <SSJ_GZ> liam:I hope not, although my desktop installation seems to have screwed up in a similar way recently :(
[08:23] <BluesKaj> tovid for cli
[08:23] <SSJ_GZ> liam:It used to work fine from the GUI, though.
[08:23] <McNeal> hello
[08:23] <dromer> hmmm, I was about to install vmware-player with synaptic .. but I get this error after about 5 mins into installing: E: vmware-player: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:23] <liam> i cant get my other partion to mount to
[08:23] <McNeal> can someone help me on amarok and shout script?
[08:23] <BluesKaj> tovid does well with it's GUI , but devede is alittle easier to use
[08:23] <incorrect> bye bye gtk
[08:24] <incorrect> bye bye libgnome
[08:24] <McNeal> i get alltime a error if i want to run the script
[08:25] <hellcattrav> oi, so what do i do to get the command line?
[08:26] <McNeal> can someone help me on amarok and shout script? i get alltime a error if i want to run the script
[08:26] <McNeal> this is what is get for a error - http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.net/104
[08:26] <BluesKaj> hellcattrav, look in the kmenu and choose system/konsole
[08:27] <hellcattrav> ok thanks
[08:28] <hellcattrav> then after i do that i type 'sudo lspci -v, then what?
[08:28] <incorrect> is there a good email client in kde yet?
[08:29] <BluesKaj> Thunderbird email , incorrect
[08:29] <incorrect> BluesKaj: does that have qt bindings?
[08:29] <BluesKaj> hellcattrav, it should list all the pci slots on yer pc and what cards are mounted in them
[08:30] <BluesKaj> incorrect, dunno
[08:31] <hellcattrav> ah because I'm trying to get my wirless to work in Kubuntu(I'm on XP atm, trying to find more info, cos I have to switch between my two OS's (at least until I get my wirelss card working)
[08:31] <nanook> zwrzwrzh
[08:31] <zorglu_> !wireless
[08:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:32] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[08:32] <BluesKaj> :)
[08:32] <mik__> !proxy
[08:32] <zorglu_> me first :)
[08:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about proxy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:32] <hellcattrav> what does! infront of something mean?
[08:32] <zorglu_> hellcattrav: this is a command for the bot
[08:32] <zorglu_> !bot | hellcattrav
[08:32] <ubotu> hellcattrav: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:32] <hellcattrav> i looked at the wiki once, and couldn't make sense
[08:32] <mik__> !.htpasswd
[08:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about htpasswd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <mik__> !tor
[08:33] <ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 763 kB, installed size 1556 kB
[08:33] <mik__> great :)
[08:33] <hellcattrav> ubotu-  i try looking but get overwellmed
[08:33] <zorglu_> mik__: in order not to flood the channel you can do "/msg ubotu tor" to get the same result :)
[08:33] <mik__> ok escuze me ;)
[08:34] <chris_> what do i do if sudo says this: sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Feb 11 18:30:35 2007?
[08:34] <hellcattrav> ? ok Im lost now
[08:35] <mik__> chris: try => sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:35] <zorglu_> that's a bit radical :)
[08:36] <mik__> what was your command chris?
[08:36] <hellcattrav> yeah ok so at this point I'm lost
[08:36] <chris_> nano
[08:37] <ZmAY> hello, how can i mount floppy disk
[08:37] <chris_> mik_ also, I can't get into system clock to adjust it (not graphically anyway)
[08:37] <mik__> try gedit chris
[08:37] <mik__> it's a bit like nano
[08:38] <chris_> don't have it atm, also I'm doing an upgrade
[08:38] <chris_> i think I'll just wait a couple hours....clock seems ok now.
[08:38] <chris_> thanks anyway
[08:39] <zorglu_> !floppy | ZmAY
[08:39] <ubotu> ZmAY: To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[08:39] <hellcattrav> !wireless|me
[08:39] <ubotu> me: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:40] <xenol> plz how can i enable javascript in konqueror? i have java5 from sun isntalled
[08:40] <mik__> konqueror is not aim to be a browser xenol, use firefox instead ;)
[08:41] <gesslar> khtml is aimed to be a browser
[08:41] <hellcattrav> ok i looked at the wiki
[08:41] <gesslar> konqueror is meant to be a shell to house kparts
[08:42] <mik__> does anybody know how to redirect squid to privoxy?
[08:44] <ScarFreewill> i want to make a bootable flashdisk its only 128mb so i want to put dsl on it, not sure how
[08:44] <alexicon> hrmm good news is i think adept has figured out that i have a bunch of stuff missing
[08:44] <alexicon> hopefully it will sort itself out :P
[08:44] <ScarFreewill> i have tried alot of how-tos
[08:45] <ZmAY> hi, i do: "mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy" to mount floppy but it says "mount: mount point /mnt/floppy does not exist"
[08:45] <mik__> what do you want to do ScarFreewill???
[08:45] <ScarFreewill> ZmAY: do "sudo mkdir /mnt/floppy"
[08:45] <mik__> ZmAY:> sudo mkdir /mnt/floppy
[08:46] <ZmAY> thanks
[08:46] <ScarFreewill> mik__: i want to boot of my flash drive aka pendrive
[08:46] <ScarFreewill> or usb drive...
[08:46] <mik__> can't you use a new line in lilo or grub?
[08:46] <gesslar> grub config can use newlines
[08:46] <mik__> to tell to boot on your usb drive
[08:47] <ScarFreewill> but i don't want to use it only on my pc
[08:47] <gesslar> hmm, some bios's allow booting off flash drives
[08:47] <ScarFreewill> and i don't want to use the hp tool to make my flashdisk bootable.... i only want to use linux..
[08:48] <ScarFreewill> mine does...
[08:48] <ScarFreewill> nforce4..
[08:48] <mik__> you use grub or lilo?
[08:48] <mik__> or none ? ^^
[08:48] <ScarFreewill> grub i think (is it defaul with edgy?)
[08:48] <gesslar> well, i mean boot off them in the same way that you would boot off a cdrom- before it hits the boot manager
[08:48] <gesslar> so your OS would have no bearing on it
[08:49] <gesslar> but i have only seen one pc do it
[08:49] <gesslar> mine certainly doesn't
[08:49] <ScarFreewill> :P
[08:49] <ScarFreewill> hehe
[08:49] <gesslar> but then mine's 3 years old
[08:50] <linija> Anyone know why I have no on-line connection on 2nd PC when all settings are same to this one??? Ethercard is enabled.
[08:50] <ScarFreewill> my problem is to make the disk bootable and to get the files right on it i'm not sure what fs to use..
[08:50] <mik__> use a router linija
[08:50] <linija> I can't just unplug this one and plug in the other one?
[08:51] <ScarFreewill> this is how my flashdisk is atm "/dev/sdc1   *           1          15      120456    1  FAT12"
[08:51] <mik__> does ping work well between both computer?
[08:51] <gesslar> fat12?
[08:51] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: thats what the how to said :P
[08:51] <gesslar> i've never seen fat12
[08:52] <linija> ummm. newbie.. :) don't know what "ping is" or how?
[08:52] <mik__> i confirm...fat12 exist :p
[08:52] <gesslar> huh, ok, well, gimme a sec
[08:52] <gesslar> i believe you
[08:52] <mik__> linija: the ping command permit to test connection between computer...see if they are online
[08:52] <ScarFreewill> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent?action=show&redirect=LiveUsbStick i think this is about the best one around
[08:53] <linija> how do I "ping"
[08:53] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: i see that you can put knoppix on a flash drive
[08:53] <mik__> type: ifconfig and gimme the result
[08:53] <linija> just "ping" in terminal?
[08:53] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: dsl is a small knoppix
[08:53] <gesslar> linija: in a terminal, "> ping ippaddress.of.other.host"
[08:54] <mik__> no...for exempple: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:55] <linija> no. wait. The 2 computers aren't connected to each other. Don't need them to be. Just need to log on with the other one to get some updates.
[08:55] <mik__> if you want to ping hamit, you type: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:55] <ScarFreewill> its just that, that how to tells me to make 2 partions i don't know why...
[08:55] <hamit> mik__:
[08:55] <linija> That other one doesn't usually do on line. I just formated HDD and re-installed Kubuntu
[08:55] <mynicknameistake> Anybody tried automatix2 with herd3?
[08:55] <gesslar> i want to try this, now
[08:55] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: i'm going to try it :)
[08:56] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: ok ^^
[08:56] <mynicknameistake> automatix doesnt start here :(
[08:56] <mik__> no...sorry mynicknameistake
[08:56] <mik__> what is it?
[08:56] <ScarFreewill> mynicknameistake: i'll check it out when i have time to install herd3
[08:56] <mynicknameistake> tried the version 2 as .deb, as apt-get and tried the bleeder
[08:56] <ScarFreewill> :P
[08:57] <mynicknameistake> no luck
[08:57] <mynicknameistake> (besides... the nickname is triple hehe
[08:57] <mynicknameistake> but it is taken!!!
[08:57] <mynicknameistake> bah
[08:57] <ScarFreewill> lol
[08:58] <mik__> ok...bye everybody
[08:58] <mynicknameistake> I am now using adept to update with all repositories enabled... takes a while... Fiesty Fawn looks ok though!
[08:59] <xenol> is it possible to remove kscd and kaudiocreator?
[08:59] <ScarFreewill> mynicknameistake: when i tried to install herd 1 the installer was broken
[09:00] <mynicknameistake> took me a while to get the linksys wifi card up, but now it works and looks very good!
 The other PC won't ping. But modem is fine and Ethercard is enabled... any ideas???
[09:00] <ScarFreewill> mynicknameistake: and only fixed for me at herd 3 and now that is its out i don't have time to install :P
[09:00] <coolieo> how can i get realvnc to work on kubuntu? ite gives me an error when i try to load it libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[09:01] <mynicknameistake> installing herd3 was preffy fast, if you have a few hours you should really try it!
[09:02] <ScarFreewill> mynicknameistake: i will but most probbably not in the next 4 days ..
[09:02] <cntb> guys has ubuntu it's own online edition of online man pages ?
[09:03] <mynicknameistake> well, the world has more than 4 days left, i hope, so you can see for yourself ;)
[09:03] <jhutchins> coolieo: The version you're tring to use is not compatible with your system.
[09:03] <ScarFreewill> hehe
[09:03] <coolieo> ok thanks. will i just have to revert back top the older version?
[09:04] <coolieo> back to*
[09:04] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: i think they mean FAT16 instead of FAT12
[09:05] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: ok i'll re format quickly
[09:05] <mynicknameistake> What i find a little strange is that herd3 is brand new, but there are 150 upgadable packages and i only installed the basic system.... why are the last versions not in the .iso?
[09:05] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: the instructions they give on that page seem wrong to me. becaus if you do what they say, then you end up getting a "6: unknown command" message
[09:06] <ScarFreewill> yes, could it be because of fdisk is another version?
[09:06] <gesslar> maybe, i'm not sure
[09:07] <gesslar> also, it says at the bottom... of that area
[09:07] <gesslar> also make sure (via fdisk -l) you created a w95/fat and not a linux partition, otherwise i was unable to boot from it !!
[09:07] <gesslar> which seems different from what it says
[09:08] <ScarFreewill> yeah if you just say 1 then it makes fat12
[09:08] <ScarFreewill> and they want w95/fat
[09:09] <gesslar> see that's b in the hexcode fs list
[09:09] <ScarFreewill> what did you take after t ?
[09:09] <ScarFreewill> ok
[09:09] <gesslar> i'll try b
[09:10] <ScarFreewill> what is the defferance between that b,c aka lba
[09:10] <gesslar> hmm
[09:10] <gesslar> i forget what LBA means
[09:11] <ScarFreewill> i never knew
[09:11] <djwilcox> cant play any video with firefox - flash or quicktime what gives
[09:11] <rohan> are there kubuntu cd's available with KDE and amarok updated to latest versions, and other packages updated ?
[09:11] <rohan> something like fedora respins
[09:11] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: /dev/sdc1               1          15      120456    b  W95 FAT32
[09:11] <djwilcox> cant find a plugin that works for flash and the mozilla vlc plugin wont work either
[09:11] <hellcattrav> oi oi
[09:12] <hellcattrav> I'm back
[09:12] <mynicknameistake> I have my nickname back
[09:14] <djwilcox> what plugin do you need to watch flash on a powerpc
[09:15] <djwilcox> in a browser like firefox
[09:16] <gesslar> !mirror
[09:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[09:16] <ScarFreewill> where is isolinux.cfg located on the kubntu cd?
[09:16] <ScarFreewill> because in dsl its in /boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg
[09:17] <slyfox> How do I mount an image file or an iso file in Kubuntu ?
[09:18] <ScarFreewill> sudo mount -o loop /path/to/image/ /path/to/mountpoint
[09:18] <ScarFreewill> @slyfox
[09:19] <slyfox> ScarFreewill: What does this mean   -o loop  ?
[09:19] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: you got me distracted, i wasin the middle of doing a beryl thing and i went to your howto and started doing it, too
[09:20] <gesslar> lol
[09:21] <slyfox> How do I play .vob files the dvd format ?
[09:21] <slyfox> never mind kaffein plays them
[09:22] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: hehe
[09:23] <jhutchins> gesslar: Logical Block Addressing
[09:23] <gesslar> thanks jhutchins!
[09:23] <jhutchins> djwilcox: flash plugin.
[09:23] <jhutchins> !formats | djwilcox
[09:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about formats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: i'm goint to test my flash disk out..
[09:24] <gesslar> all right!
[09:24] <gesslar> lemme know how it works
[09:24] <gesslar> i'm downloading the ubuntu image right now
[09:24] <xenol> plz why when i want to remove kscd it says it will also remove kubuntu-desktop?
[09:24] <jhutchins> !flash
[09:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:24] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[09:24] <djwilcox> have tried several flash plugins no joy
[09:24] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: ok cya in a bit..
[09:26] <xenol>  plz why when i want to remove kscd it says it will also remove kubuntu-desktop?
[09:27] <gesslar> ack, i just rm'ed bashrc instead of .bashrc~, does anybody know how i can get it back?
[09:27] <jhutchins> djwilcox: Use the one in the official repos.
[09:27] <gesslar> oh, maybe there's a copy in skel
[09:27] <jhutchins> xenol: It's ok, kubuntu-desktop is just a tag.
[09:28] <xenol> so i can remove it?
[09:28] <jhutchins> xenol: It's removing it because without kscd you won't have the complete suite.
[09:28] <gesslar> thank goodess, most of my stuff is in .profile
[09:28] <jhutchins> xenol: Yes.  You'll revert to upgrading specific packages, which is fine.
[09:28] <xenol> ah so i cant remove kscd ?
[09:28] <jhutchins> xeno: Sure you can.
[09:28] <jhutchins> xenol: Won't hurt a thing.
[09:29] <xenol> well but i want to have kubuntu desktop
[09:29] <jhutchins> xenol: You'll still have all the rest of the files.
[09:29] <xenol> so i can remove kscd and kaudiocreator so i can do it as in feisty :S
[09:29] <jhutchins> xenol: That's just a flag that includes a bunch of KDE packages.  Either you have all of them, and the flag, or you have some of them and manage them individually.
[09:30] <jhutchins> xenol: No real need to remove them, but yes.
[09:30] <xenol> jhutchins:  well lets says i am using kde 3.5.6 and remove kscd and kaudiocreator and kde 3.5.7 comes out and i update those programs will be installed again?
[09:31] <jhutchins> xenol: If you upgrade, just those programs you have installed will be upgraded.
[09:31] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: omg i almost formated my root :P
[09:31] <jhutchins> xenol: If you want to check out what the whole package looks like in the upgrade, just install it again.
[09:31] <gesslar> lol ScarFreewill
[09:31] <ScarFreewill> it told me this doesn't look like a valid FAT filesystem few ;O
[09:32] <gesslar> rofl
[09:32] <ScarFreewill> i typed sda1 insted of sdc1 :P
[09:32] <xenol> jhutchins:  well but since i have amarok and k3b to play audio cds and rip cd/dvds i dont need them
[09:32] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: you crack me up
[09:32] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: i just rm'ed my .bashrc and was feeling panicky but you ALMOST trumped me
[09:33] <ScarFreewill> ^^
[09:33] <jhutchins> xenol: kubuntu-desktop is just a container, so removing it is like throwing out a cardboard box.
[09:33] <xenol> jhutchins:  is it true: the less programs i have installed, the faster my kubuntu will be?
[09:33] <jhutchins> xenol: If everything's still in the box, then you can remove it all with the box, but once you take things out of the box it no longer has that function.
[09:34] <jhutchins> xenol: Not necessarily.  Only for programs that automatically load.
[09:34] <xenol> ah
[09:34] <xenol> jhutchins:  so  if i dont use them i dont need to remove cause they dont slower up the system right?
[09:34] <jhutchins> The presence of other programs on the disk doesn't effect anything except free disk space.
[09:34] <jhutchins> xenol: Right.
[09:35] <xenol> jhutchins:  thx
[09:35] <jhutchins> xenol: The one exception is that running any of the package utilities (apt, etc) will be a little slower with more packages installed.
[09:35] <jhutchins> Since you don't spend a lot of your total time doing that, no biggie.
[09:36] <xenol> jhutchins:  it will be slower cause they need to index all packages right?
[09:36] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: now i'm really going to try it..
[09:36] <parkerw207> guys just a thought
[09:36] <jhutchins> xenol: Basically because it searches through a larger database when checking what's already installed.
[09:37] <parkerw207> linux is meant to be one of the most secure OS right ?
[09:37] <jhutchins> xenol: Still has the same size database of installables.
[09:37] <ScarFreewill> parkerw207: no
[09:37] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: all right
[09:37] <jhutchins> parkerw207: It has the potential to be.
[09:37] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: i wait for you!
[09:37] <parkerw207> but its not yet ?
[09:37] <jhutchins> parkerw207: have a look at se_linux.
[09:37] <gesslar> parkerw207: some people don't run it to be secure- the more secure it is the more restrictive it is.
[09:37] <jhutchins> parkerw207: You can do a lot of things with linux, make it secure or insecure.
[09:38] <flo_> how can i force a prog to compile with a arbitrary version of gcc?
[09:38] <ScarFreewill> parkerw207: openbsd/netbsd is secure...
[09:38] <jhutchins> flo_: Re-code it so it's compatible.
[09:38] <xenol> jhutchins:  can u plz advise at else to install? some piece of software that i could use every day and which html editor will u advise me?  Q+ NVU or bluefish?
[09:38] <jhutchins> xenol: I use vi for an HTML editor.
[09:38] <parkerw207> i see , well my friend was saying tha windows is more secure than linux
[09:38] <parkerw207> is that correct
[09:38] <parkerw207> i was under the impression it werent
[09:38] <jhutchins> I'm messing with mencoder and avidemux for a video project.
[09:39] <gesslar> parkerw207: windows can be secure.
[09:39] <jhutchins> I like mplayer for video better than the other options.
[09:39] <jhutchins> gesslar: Sure, just don't connect it.
[09:39] <ScarFreewill> linux is secure because it is not made to beinsecure like windows, openbsd is made to be secure...
[09:39] <gesslar> agreed :)
[09:39] <jhutchins> gesslar: ...to a power source.
[09:39] <parkerw207> but basic linux compared to basic windows which is securer ?
[09:39] <xenol> jhutchins:  hmm and do u have isntalled software for x.org or also for shell? i mean stuff like irsii licq vi emacs ... ?
[09:40] <flo_> jhutchins: i just want to compile with 3.3.6 not 4... is there a option to send to make o ./configure? i'm not a guru of compiling :-)
[09:40] <jhutchins> xenol: vi, ssh, irssi for emergencies.
[09:40] <jhutchins> flo_: I take it you get errors when you use 3.6.6?
[09:40] <gesslar> parkerw207: most people running widnows do so with an account with root (admin) privileges, most people who run *nix do so with accounts that are -not- as powerful as root/admin- so it's only really as secure as you like it to be
[09:41] <hellcattrav> oi oi, so i got the sudo wlan assisstant to work
[09:41] <hellcattrav> but i can't connet
[09:41] <xenol> jhutchins:  ssh is used for remote control?
[09:41] <parkerw207> oo i see
[09:41] <parkerw207> ok this as wel , sorry i was arguing with my mate and some wuestions arose
[09:41] <parkerw207> he says , open source = less secure
[09:41] <parkerw207> as the code is out there to find fualts to exploit
[09:41] <jhutchins> xenol: It gives you a secure console session with a remote box.
[09:41] <jhutchins> xenol: From there you have whatever control you would from a local console.
[09:41] <jhutchins> xenol: Oh, screen, very important.
[09:42] <xenol> jhutchins:  only usable on unix or also for win? it would be good to be able to shut down pc with that crap :s
[09:42] <flo_> jhutchins:  i'm tring to compile ogre3d from source and thei sai that it compiles with a 3. series of gcc so i just have to unninstall gcc 4. and leve the 3. version?
[09:42] <jhutchins> xenol: Preserves your session if you get disconnected, allows you to detatch sessions and re-attach, even from another location.
[09:42] <hellcattrav> i can't even connect to my mates wireless(which is unsecured)- normally use it to test to see if my wireless was off or not?
[09:42] <jhutchins> flo_: Should be backwards compatible.
[09:43] <parkerw207> another things
[09:43] <jhutchins> flo_: My knowledge of modern compilers is somewhat limited.
[09:43] <flo_> jhutchins: aha thx so y should search the problem elsewere
[09:43] <parkerw207> my mate says windows has a much faster life cycle for secuirty updates
[09:43] <parkerw207> #se_linux
[09:43] <jhutchins> flo_: I would just try it.  If you're getting errors, bring them here.
[09:43] <parkerw207> oops
[09:43] <jhutchins> parkerw207: That is complete bunk.
[09:43] <parkerw207> it is ?
[09:43] <parkerw207> explain
[09:43] <jhutchins> parkerw207: I have seen patches produced for linux within hours.
[09:44] <jhutchins> parkerw207: Windows takes weeks, or at least days, to get the patch out.
[09:44] <xenol> jhutchins: do u use xgl?
[09:44] <parkerw207> ok another thing
[09:44] <jhutchins> xenol: No need for it, no.
[09:44] <parkerw207> he said that its used by the worlds goverment
[09:44] <parkerw207> becuase linux is not professional
[09:44] <gesslar> ask your mate who is the world's government :p
[09:44] <parkerw207> worlds goverments*
[09:44] <parkerw207> sorry typo
[09:44] <hellcattrav> yeah theres no such thing?
[09:44] <hellcattrav> oh
[09:44] <jhutchins> parkerw207: Unix?  Sure is, has been for decades.  selinux was developed by the NSA>
[09:45] <xenol> jhutchins: hmm u prefer terminal? i start to love it
[09:45] <jhutchins> parkerw207: There probably isn't a government that doesn't use some of both.
[09:45] <parkerw207> he said that windows is professional becuase its made by tousands of programmer working to make money
[09:45] <mynicknameistake> Lets assume linux and windows both have the same number of security flaws... windows has approx 90% of the desktops, linux only 5 and apple the orher 5. It is way more interesting to write a windows worm.
[09:45] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: does not work :( i'm posative its because of my syslinux.cfg
[09:45] <gesslar> doh
[09:46] <jhutchins> xenol: For years I ran Linux on servers and utility boxes, only been running X for about three or four years.
[09:46] <illriginal> Does K3B automatically convert files from mp3/wav to audio format so that it can be played in a stereo/cd player?
[09:46] <parkerw207> yes
[09:46] <mart81> parkerw207: you should not listen so much to your friends ;)
[09:46] <mynicknameistake> Yes
[09:46] <jhutchins> xenol: I go all the way back to printing terminals and paper tape, so the command line is no stranger.
[09:46] <parkerw207> lol ooo i werent
[09:46] <parkerw207> i was clarifying
[09:46] <SSJ_GZ> mynicknameistake:No, it's way more "interesting" to write a Linux worm because so many people say it can't be done :)
[09:46] <xenol> jhutchins:  how old have u been working in IT ?
[09:46] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: the only prob is the how to is for kubuntu cd image not dsl..
[09:46] <gesslar> parkerw207: i actually think you should use whatever OS you like. if your friend likes Windows, let him use Windows. Linux is about choice even when that choice is not to use it.
[09:47] <shadowhywind> hay all when i just to use wpa_supplicant it slows my computer down to a halt, any ideas
[09:47] <mynicknameistake> but parker, remeber this, it is not the OS that is weak, it is always the user
[09:47] <jhutchins> xenol: Many, many years, and playing in it for longer.  I have family that did some very early stuff.
[09:47] <parkerw207> ok hehe
[09:47] <parkerw207> i know
[09:47] <parkerw207> the thing is
[09:47] <parkerw207> its kinda true that being open source
[09:47] <jhutchins> xenol: CRT monitors displaying text?  My uncle, on an Air Force contract.
[09:47] <xenol> jhutchins:  bill gates? :D
[09:47] <parkerw207> its easier for virus to be made and for exploits
[09:47] <parkerw207> if linux was as popular as widnows
[09:47] <xenol> jhutchins:  wow
[09:48] <SSJ_GZ> mynicknameistake:That's true, but sometimes the OS doesn't exactly help - see e.g. the RPC exploit, which required 0 user intervention.
[09:48] <caris_mere> does anybody have experience using Ekiga? I need some tips about how to connect with Windows users
[09:48] <mart81> parkerw207: that can only be proved by the real world, doesn't it?
[09:48] <jhutchins> xenol: My dad helped design the production line for the IBM 370, one of those add-a-new-wing-to-the-building mainframes.
[09:48] <parkerw207> yeah i suppose
[09:48] <mynicknameistake> the average windows user has less experience with a computer compared to the average *ux user
[09:49] <gesslar> parkerw207: well, it's also a self-fulling situation. if linux were more popular, it'd have more developpers dedicated to fixing and maintaining it, wouldn't it?
[09:49] <BluesKaj> my '/etc/bash.bashrc' file keeps giving me errors when opening the terminal ... is there a clean copy somewhere ?
[09:49] <parkerw207> yep
[09:49] <xenol> jhutchins:  so u r rich?
[09:49] <parkerw207> i like linux i think its great
[09:49] <jhutchins> xenol: Not so much. My own carreer has had problems with bad timing.
[09:49] <parkerw207> but i dont see why people have to bask linux :S
[09:49] <jhutchins> xenol: I became a programmer at the hight of the programming glut, for instance.
[09:50] <jhutchins> parkerw207: bash?
[09:50] <parkerw207> ermm...
[09:50] <xenol> jhutchins:  hmm i guess then u should start many years ago then
[09:50] <parkerw207> pick at it ?
[09:50] <gesslar> parkerw207: well, i think that people like your mate are happy with their choices. i also think they contribute to FUD.
[09:50] <parkerw207> FUD ?
[09:50] <mynicknameistake> the good thing in *ux is the part where you have to be admin or super user to change the system. This way it isnt easy to install a virus without the user knowing it
[09:50] <gesslar> parkerw207: fear uncertainty and doubt
[09:50] <parkerw207> lol
[09:50] <jhutchins> parkerw207: bash.  Bask is to enjoy.
[09:50] <parkerw207> its an english phrase
[09:50] <gesslar> mmm, i'm going to go bask in some steaks
[09:50] <parkerw207> to ... attack ?
[09:51] <parkerw207> like , " to bash with a stick"
[09:51] <gesslar> right
[09:51] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: http://www.die.supsi.ch/~bucher/flash-howto.pdf that looks quick and dirty
[09:51] <parkerw207> "to hit with a stick"
[09:51] <gesslar> parkerw207: i think its' that you said 'bask' instead of 'bash'
[09:51] <jhutchins> parkerw207: right, you typoed bask.
[09:51] <parkerw207> ooo lol
[09:51] <parkerw207> i am trying to get used to my new laptop keyboard layout
[09:51] <parkerw207> sorry
[09:51] <hellcattrav> gesslar: I got the wireless assisstnat to show the nearby networks, but i can't connect to any of them..any idea, or is this still out of your expertise?
[09:52] <gesslar> ScarFreewill: why are you giving me flash information?
[09:52] <gesslar> oh
[09:52] <gesslar> flash drives
[09:52] <gesslar> rofl, i thought it was macromedia flash
[09:52] <ScarFreewill> lol hehe
[09:52] <xenol> jhutchins:  hmm u have been workign wit bsd too?
[09:52] <gesslar> allright time for food
[09:52] <jhutchins> xenol: No, after the mainframes just DOS through Windows, and linux.
[09:53] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: i need to go
[09:53] <parkerw207> isnt linux on the iss ?
[09:53] <ScarFreewill> gesslar: need to get sleep (school tomorrow) cya
[09:53] <jhutchins> parkerw207: It certainly has been.  I believe they use a mix.
[09:53] <jhutchins> parkerw207: More specialized OSs too.
[09:53] <mynicknameistake> is there a feisty fawn channel?
[09:53] <LjL> !feisty
[09:53] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[09:54] <ScarFreewill> LjL: you fast...
[09:54] <parkerw207> specialized ?
[09:54] <cgeo> guys. i try to bbot with a live cd and all i get is a blank screen when it is supposed to enter the gui.i do hear sound hear sounds and stuff though
[09:54] <parkerw207> like they get thier own OS's made ?
[09:54] <BluesKaj> !bash.bashrc
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bash.bashrc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <ScarFreewill> cgeo: did it work before?
[09:54] <jhutchins> parkerw207: Yeah, non-PC hardware.
[09:54] <mike_> Anyone had any luck install Edgy on a Thinkpad T22?
[09:54] <xenol> jhutchins:  hmm why u using kubuntu and not debian? :S kubuntu is mainly for newbies
[09:54] <jhutchins> xenol: To test it.
[09:55] <parkerw207> ooo i see
[09:55] <BluesKaj> !bash
[09:55] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:55] <cgeo> scarFreewill:no it is the first time i try to use kubuntu. I have ati
[09:55] <ScarFreewill> cgeo: what version of kubuntu?
[09:55] <parkerw207> why would they use linux ?
[09:55] <cgeo> ScarFreewill:edfy
[09:55] <cgeo> #edgy
[09:55] <jhutchins> xenol: My main desktop is Mandriva, I run RedHat, Fedora, Gentoo, and Ubuntu.  And a couple of old NT boxes.
[09:55] <BluesKaj> !bashrc
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bashrc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <xenol> jhutchins:  and wat do u think? i have tried suse 10.1 FC 5 and some live cds
[09:55] <xenol> jhutchins:  does mandriva have better support then ubuntu?
[09:56] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: What are you after?
[09:56] <cgeo> ScarFreewill:Edgy eft
[09:56] <ScarFreewill> cgeo: edgy is a beta i know some ppl with nvidia and ati that it does not work with dapper is the non-beta, have you tried safe gfx mode?
[09:56] <hellcattrav> ok so could some home help?
[09:56] <mart81> parkerw207: who are "they"?
[09:56] <jhutchins> xenol: Not better support.  I like it a bit better.  I dislike suse for a number of reasons.
[09:56] <parkerw207> ooo sorry lol
[09:56] <smoze> what was the name of disk partitioning program again?
[09:56] <parkerw207> then people who run the ISS
[09:56] <cgeo> ScarFreewill:yes but still the same problem. it seems to load everything but the monitor is turned off
[09:56] <parkerw207> no i meant "ET" of course ;)
[09:57] <ScarFreewill> cgeo: i'm afraid you are going to need to downlaod/get dapper drake
[09:57] <jhutchins> smoze: partedit?  fdisk?  qparted?
[09:57] <smoze> the one at live-cd
[09:57] <cgeo> ScarFreeWill:Are u sure I cannot try anything on edgy?
[09:57] <xenol> jhutchins:  YaST2? :D too buggy at least on my PC
[09:58] <jhutchins> xenol: Like i said, lots of reasons, but that's off topic here.
[09:58] <xenol> jhutchins:  hmm i am interested which commands do i need to know for everyday use of terminal
[09:59] <xenol> !commands
[09:59] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:59] <jhutchins> xenol: THis is pretty good: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[10:00] <smoze> none of those were the one i needed but thanks anyway
[10:00] <ScarFreewill1> cgeo: you can ship it for free if you have bad internet like me :P
[10:00] <xenol> jhutchins:  thx for time and advices =)
[10:01] <ScarFreewill1> (test)
[10:01] <ScarFreewill1> !ping
[10:01] <ubotu> pong
[10:01] <ScarFreewill1> woot i'm still on the internet!
[10:01] <jhutchins> xenol: Just "pay it down the line".
[10:01] <cgeo> ScarFreewill:6.10
[10:01] <ScarFreewill1> cgeo: you need 6.06
[10:01] <xenol> jhutchins: :)
[10:02] <cgeo> Scarfreewill:ok thanx for the help. i will download 6.06
[10:02] <ScarFreewill1> cgeo: you need 6.10 and 7.04 is beta
[10:02] <ScarFreewill1> cgeo: cya
[10:02] <hellcattrav> ok, could someone at least acknowledge that I'm here?
[10:02] <gesslar_away> lol ScarFreewill1
[10:02] <ScarFreewill1> cgeo: actualy 7.04 is alpha ^^
[10:02] <gesslar_away> hi hellcattrav
[10:02] <cgeo> scarfreewill: ok :)
[10:02] <ScarFreewill1> gesslar: lol i'm still here...
[10:02] <gesslar> me too :)
[10:03] <hellcattrav> WOOT acknowledgement
[10:03] <ScarFreewill1> gesslar: i'm going to sleep NOW -.-
[10:03] <gesslar> ScarFreewill1: my bf says he's not hungry so i can't cook yet
[10:03] <gesslar> NOW?
[10:03] <gesslar> like..right now?
[10:03] <gesslar> or are you already asleep?
[10:03] <ScarFreewill1> *_*
[10:03] <gesslar> you must be .. aha
[10:03] <gesslar> asleep by now
[10:03] <ScarFreewill1> hehe cya
[10:04] <hellcattrav> anyone want to help who's good at wireless connections?  I can see the wireless networks i can access, but I can't connec to any of them- even the ones without keys, and that i can usually get on with windows
[10:04] <gesslar> BluesKaj:  what are you trying to figure out about .bashrc?
[10:04] <parkerw207> i had them problems
[10:04] <parkerw207> kubuntu has prolems with dchp
[10:05] <hellcattrav> so is there anyhting i can do? or am i screwed?
[10:05] <parkerw207> well you can input everything manually
[10:05] <parkerw207> put in you routers ip address and defualt gateway , all that lot
[10:05] <parkerw207> thats how i did it
[10:05] <hellcattrav> im a noob, and really have no idea what im doing, im amazed i could figuire out what ive did already
[10:06] <hellcattrav> ok how do i find the IP address and default gateway?
[10:06] <underdog5004> I love opendns...my isp's dns servers went down recently, but I was all set
[10:06] <parkerw207> wel i am not the best to ask cos i have only been doing this for... 2 week slol
[10:06] <hellcattrav> hey thats 2 weeks longer then me
[10:06] <parkerw207> hehe
[10:06] <parkerw207> right
[10:06] <parkerw207> can you access your router ?
[10:06] <parkerw207> go to the configuration page ?
[10:07] <hellcattrav> maybe
[10:07] <parkerw207> cos everything should be on there
[10:07] <hellcattrav> but see i don't deal all that- my dad and his buddy(whos a computer god-but he comes over once everycouple of months) control all that stuff, i dont want to go poking around in there
[10:07] <parkerw207> hehe ok
[10:08] <mynicknameistake> Is youre wifi card in system settings / network settings?
[10:08] <parkerw207> what have you been using to search for wifi routers?
[10:08] <hellcattrav> um?
[10:08] <hellcattrav> hell if i know
[10:08] <parkerw207> ok
[10:08] <parkerw207> got to the start menu
[10:08] <Alzi2> Since the Compiz channel is really empty, i'll ask this here: I'm trying to run compiz in KDE but when i do, it screws up everything (focussing windows, switching workspaces, input), and terminates all window managers. It doesn't even give the effects. Can anyone help me with this? Errors are:
[10:08] <hellcattrav> i went to kmenu--> internet---> wireless assisstant and then it worked(weras yesterday it didn't)
[10:08] <hellcattrav> ok
[10:08] <Alzi2> [22:07]  <Alzi2> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[10:08] <Alzi2> [22:07]  <Alzi2> compiz.real: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not supported by direct rendering context, trying indirect rendering context instead
[10:09] <parkerw207> ahhh
[10:09] <ZmAY> hello, how can i run open office (excell) from console
[10:09] <ZmAY> so i can use sudo
[10:09] <hellcattrav> thanks gesslar
[10:09] <gesslar> hellcattrav: i really wish i could have helped :( but i'm incredibly happy that you got it
[10:10] <gesslar> ZmAY: which oocalc
[10:10] <hellcattrav> now all i have to do is to be able to get on the net(but hey progress is progress...hey thanks, appreciate that you rembered, I heard linux has a friendly knowledge base, good to know ive not been in vain
[10:10] <gesslar> ZmAY: although, just running "oocalc" should run it
[10:10] <ZmAY> tnx
[10:10] <Hail_Spacecake> I have two computers running linux
[10:10] <parkerw207> hellcattrav: go to the startmenu ---> system settings --->network settings
[10:11] <hellcattrav> in XP?
[10:11] <Hail_Spacecake> a laptop with ubuntu and a desktop with suse
[10:11] <mynicknameistake> in linux
[10:11] <Hail_Spacecake> both of them are on the same wireless network
[10:11] <parkerw207> noo linux
[10:11] <hellcattrav> cos  thats what im in now.... cos the net on my linux isn't working(hence how im talking to you atm)
[10:11] <Hail_Spacecake> but I want to be able to put in an ethernet cable between them
[10:11] <Hail_Spacecake> and transfer files that way
[10:11] <parkerw207> ahh i see
[10:11] <matdon> hi
[10:11] <Hail_Spacecake> rather than on the wlan
[10:11] <parkerw207> hmmm i dont know then , anyone know mroe ?
[10:11] <Hail_Spacecake> so how do I make sure I'm transfering over that network rather than the wlan?
[10:11] <hellcattrav> parker- could you tell me what to do, and i will try it after i get back from my driving lesson, hten get back to you
[10:12] <parkerw207> i'm just a learning newbie :P
[10:12] <hellcattrav> are you on here reguraly?
[10:12] <parkerw207> yeah sure
[10:12] <parkerw207> yup
[10:12] <parkerw207> everyday
[10:12] <hellcattrav> or anyone esle for that matter
[10:12] <hellcattrav> oi do you use msn messanger?
[10:12] <parkerw207> you will alwys find that if people can help
[10:12] <parkerw207> they will
[10:12] <parkerw207> yes i do
[10:12] <hellcattrav> true
[10:12] <hellcattrav><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:12] <mynicknameistake> has it worked before on linux hellcattrav?
[10:13] <matdon> does anyone know how I can upgrade libgphoto on kubuntu?
[10:13] <matdon> or can anyone point me to documents so I can figure out how?
[10:13] <hellcattrav> negative, ive not gotten the internet to run yet. but i was finally able to see the available networks with the wiereless assisstant(unliek yesterday)
[10:13] <HymnToLife> !libgphoto
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgphoto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:13] <parkerw207> then you try and connect ut it dont work ?
[10:14] <hellcattrav> yes, correct
[10:14] <parkerw207> "connection failed"
[10:14] <hellcattrav> yep
[10:14] <parkerw207> thats what happened to me
[10:14] <matdon> :)
[10:14] <hellcattrav> if i bolt suddenly its cos teh driving instructor arrived
[10:14] <parkerw207> what security do you use on your router  ?
[10:14] <HymnToLife> matdon, what's wrong with just updating with apt ?
[10:14] <hellcattrav> illl be gone for around 2 hours
[10:14] <parkerw207> Wep ?
[10:14] <mynicknameistake> could you see them in a graphical ui or in the konsole (like DOS screen)
[10:14] <hellcattrav> i think so, i have to put in a string of numbers
[10:14] <matdon> I'm trying to get the latest libgphoto library and I'm not sure the most sane method to do it
[10:15] <parkerw207> ok try putting the wep code in like this 1234-1234-12
[10:15] <parkerw207> as an example
[10:15] <hellcattrav> ok, how many numbers between the dashes?
[10:15] <parkerw207> 4 , then 4 , then 2
[10:16] <hellcattrav> ok
[10:16] <parkerw207> liek this xxx-xxxx-xx
[10:16] <matdon> can I use apt-get to get the latest library or would I need to upgrade the entire system
[10:16] <parkerw207> if its a 10 digit code ?
[10:16] <parkerw207> !wifi
[10:16] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:16] <hellcattrav> yep
[10:16] <hellcattrav> 10 digits
[10:16] <parkerw207> ok well thats what fixed mine
[10:16] <parkerw207> simple eh ? lol
[10:17] <mynicknameistake> hey hell... do you use your own router or anything that is available?
[10:17] <hellcattrav> nah its the family router
[10:18] <mynicknameistake> than you know the WEP key?
[10:18] <hellcattrav> yep
[10:18] <jhutchins> matdon: If you specify the library, the system should show you anything else that needs to be updated, and only update the related parts.
[10:19] <mynicknameistake> have you seen the card in the system settings / network menu?
[10:19] <jhutchins> One of my clients has had her DSL down for months, but it doesn't bother her because so many of her neighbors have unsecured wireless points.
[10:19] <hellcattrav> i think so
[10:20] <mynicknameistake> hehe you have to be sure, you must configure the card there
[10:20] <hellcattrav> i just went to wlan assisstnat(or what ever its called-in kubuntu) and typedi in my password, got the wireless networks, but can't connect
[10:20] <hellcattrav> ok, i think i may have to configure the card
[10:21] <Moneo> Hi, could anyone tell me where I could start looking for information on changing the behavior of my power button? Ideally I'd like to be able to restart X with it rather than halt. would that be possible?
[10:21] <hellcattrav> ill try reentering hte code with -'s then see if its configured and post back here, but now im off to have a driving lesson)
[10:21] <hellcattrav> ok i will try that as soon as i get back, and let you all know, but for now I have to run...cheers
[10:21] <jhutchins> Moneo: Is it on the case or the keyboard?  Desktop or laptop?
[10:21] <mynicknameistake> so what you do now is open the system settings (like configuration in windows) and the open network settings.
[10:22] <parkerw207> cya hell , have fun
[10:22] <Moneo> jhutchins, on the case, desktop.
[10:22] <mynicknameistake> ok, gl cat@!
[10:22] <jhutchins> Moneo: I don't think you'll have much luck with that, that's pretty much a hardware function.
[10:22] <mart81> Hail_Spacecake: if you have a gateway in the network(router/pc as gateway), you could put a switch between them and use samba to make it sharing files between one another.(or just use the router is it's close enough)
[10:22] <Moneo> hmm I see, thanks. So halt isnt called when it's hit?
[10:22] <jhutchins> Moneo: If it's configurable, it would be in the BIOS, most likely your options are sleep/hibernate.
[10:23] <jhutchins> Moneo: Correct, one of the dangers of using it.
[10:23] <blue|palm> has anybody else had these problems with an ati card using prop drivers: When i switch to the console (any using F1-F6) it displays a messy garbage screen of crisrossing lines...
[10:23] <Hail_Spacecake> I don't have a gateway, to my knowledge
[10:23] <jhutchins> Moneo: It signals the power management chips directly to cut power.
[10:23] <Hail_Spacecake> I don't want to have anything to do with the wireless network
[10:23] <Moneo> ahh I see, many thanks jhutchins
[10:24] <matdon> when I use apt-get it tells me I have the latest version but it isn't. is this because I'm using edgy and not fiesty?
[10:24] <Hail_Spacecake> I'd be willing to temporarily disable it if I need to
[10:24] <jhutchins> Moneo: For sleep/hibernate mode, it will generate a signal from teh bios to the OS.
[10:24] <matdon> and if so can I upgrade?
[10:24] <jhutchins> Moneo: You know you can restart X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, right?
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> matdon: no, it means you have the latest version packaged for your release
[10:24] <matdon> I have 2.2.1
[10:24] <matdon> and I want 2.3.0
[10:24] <matdon> that's my problem in a nutshell
[10:25] <jhutchins> matdon: Feisty is not officially released yet, it's considered unstable, and you should only run it in order to locate and report bugs.
[10:25] <Moneo> jhutchins, yeah, but I've had kde freeze a few times with keyboard input being ignored (even numlock, caps etc) whilst programs are still functioning in the background
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> you can build from source, maybe check backports,
[10:25] <Moneo> kde or X, anyway
[10:25] <jhutchins> Moneo: Yes, that happens.  Do you have any other systems available?
[10:25] <matdon> so I would have to manually upgrade this library then if I want it?
[10:25] <blue|palm> has anybody else had these problems with an ati card using prop drivers: When i switch to the console (any using F1-F6) it displays a messy garbage screen of crisrossing lines...
[10:26] <jhutchins> matdon: Not manually, but using apt so that releated changes are made.
[10:26] <Moneo> yeah, one or two - I could ssh into them and restart X I guess, but it's a pain. The mac runs synergy and so dosn't have its own keyboard
[10:26] <jhutchins> matdon: Sorry, not really following.
[10:26] <mart81> Hail_Spacecake: well, if there is no cable from your room towards the device you receive internet with, i would personally just use a separate router for this main purpose, they are not that expensive anymore.
[10:26] <matdon> it's cool
[10:26] <HymnToLife> matdon, yes
[10:26] <Hail_Spacecake> do I need a router?
[10:26] <Hail_Spacecake> the two computers are right next to each other
[10:26] <matdon> I'm going to uninstall what is there and build what I want from source
[10:26] <HymnToLife> it's just a lib though so it should be fairly easy
[10:26] <Hail_Spacecake> why can't I just string an ethernet cable between them?
[10:27] <Hail_Spacecake> what I'm saying is
[10:27] <jhutchins> matdon: WARNING: THIS COULD TRASH YOUR SYSTEM:  you can try downloading the lib from feisty and installing it.  If it lists a reasonable number of dependencies, get those too.  If you get into more than a handful of files, stop.
[10:27] <Hail_Spacecake> I just don't want the traffic
[10:27] <Hail_Spacecake> going through wlan0
[10:27] <Hail_Spacecake> I want it going through eth0
[10:27] <matdon> okay
[10:27] <matdon> thanks for the warning
[10:28] <mart81> Hail_Spacecake: traffic needs to be routed afaik yes, you cannot just put cat5 cables between one another, not that i know at least.
[10:28] <matdon> I'm used to using bsd and I'm fixing this for a friend hopefully it will work out
[10:28] <HymnToLife> installing the Feisty package seems an even worse idea
[10:28] <jhutchins> matdon: You can also build your own deb packages so that you stay within the packaging system and other apps are aware of the lib versions and such.
[10:28] <HymnToLife> since it involves installing the feisty libc6
[10:28] <HymnToLife> which is pretty close to installing the whole of Feisty
[10:28] <jhutchins> Hail_Spacecake: You don't need a router, but you need a crossover cable.
[10:28] <matdon> I'm going to try building the lib from source
[10:29] <matdon> that's how I would usually do it
[10:29] <mart81> Hail_Spacecake: but i also read that people with a mac were able to connect between one another in a train, so maybe i am just wrong here...
[10:29] <Hail_Spacecake> well, I've used this cable before to transfer between two computers with windows
[10:29] <Hail_Spacecake> mart81: I can connect over the wlan
[10:29] <Hail_Spacecake> I just don't want to
[10:29] <jhutchins> Hail_Spacecake: A Cat5 crossover cable will connect two like devices (computers).
[10:30] <Hail_Spacecake> ah, then that's what I have
[10:30] <jhutchins> Hail_Spacecake: A Cat5 straight-through cable is used between an end device (computer) and a routing device (hub/switch/router).
[10:30] <jhutchins> Going router-to-router you usually need crossover, which is sometimes wired into the port.
[10:31] <jhutchins> Basically a crossover just connects the "send" pair to the "recive" contacts.
[10:31] <jhutchins> recieve that is.
[10:38] <mart81> jhutchins: so he can just put straight cables between them, give them hard addresses and use samba? Is that what you're saying?
[10:38] <alexicon> hrm
[10:38] <jhutchins> mart81: Crossover cables, but yes.
[10:39] <mart81> hmm, never knew that :)
[10:40] <alexicon> i did an update and it seems to have put my vmlinux image into /boot, but not into my proper boot partition
[10:40] <alexicon> can i just throw it into the right boot and point grub at it
[10:40] <alexicon> i thought it automatically handled it
[10:41] <alexicon> and it doesnt look like xorg has updated either
[10:41] <alexicon> !nvidia
[10:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:42] <blue|palm> hi does anybody know how to make xine fullscreen? I can only watch movies with black borders on top and at the bottom. My monitor is 16:10
[10:43] <nick__> can anyone help me. My menu bar has disappeared. It appears when i first start Kubuntu but then disappears
[10:43] <jhutchins> alexicon: How is /boot not your proper boot partition?
[10:43] <alexicon> there is a directory boot in /
[10:43] <jhutchins> blue|palm: My solution is to use mplayer <grin>.
[10:43] <alexicon> but thats on my / partition
[10:44] <alexicon> i boot off the /boot partition on hdc2
[10:44] <alexicon> kubuntu sits on hdc1
[10:44] <jhutchins> alexicon: You didn't have /boot mounted when you did your update.
[10:44] <alexicon> nup i didnt
[10:44] <alexicon> but i never do
[10:44] <alexicon> i dont think
[10:44] <jhutchins> alexicon: Some distros check for that, ubuntu apparently doesn't
[10:44] <blue|palm> jhutchins: on my hardware ive been having problems using mplayer :(
[10:44] <alexicon> ok
[10:44] <alexicon> i'll try mounting then updating again
[10:44] <jhutchins> alexicon: That's why I stopped using a seperate /boot - got a system totally hosed.
[10:44] <blue|palm> jhutchins: sound disappears somtimes, video is choppy (not that it isnt everywhere else due to ati)
[10:45] <jhutchins> alexicon: No reason you shouldn't be able to just move the files.
[10:45] <hamit> hii
[10:45] <alexicon> yeah i did that yesterday jhutchins D:
[10:45] <Lil99> how can I change the font of the menu's
[10:45] <alexicon> suse ate everything
[10:45] <alexicon> and i thought boot was mounted, and i backed up it
[10:45] <alexicon> but it wasnt mounted so i backed up the wrong stuff
[10:45] <alexicon> D:
[10:45] <jhutchins> blue|palm: All I can say is read up on xine.
[10:45] <alexicon> anyway evertyhing else was recovered just lost my kernel and all my modules
[10:45] <alexicon> pain in the ass having to do nvidia again
[10:45] <alexicon> seems to just be luck that it works
[10:46] <jhutchins> Often that way.
[10:46] <alexicon> hrmm how do i mount boot when /boot is already there :P
[10:47] <alexicon> maybe i should just copy all the files over to the right partition
[10:47] <alexicon> yeah..
[10:47] <jhutchins> alexicon: You can mount over anything.
[10:47] <jay> what's the xmodmap command to add super_l as keycode 115?
[10:47] <alexicon> ok
[10:47] <jhutchins> alexicon: But if you want to move stuff, mount it somewehere else.
[10:47] <alexicon> yeah ive got it mounted elsewhere, i guess i'll just do it manually
[10:47] <alexicon> what kernel is it up to anyway?
[10:47] <jhutchins> alexicon: I usually just mount temp stuff to /mnt - which is fine as long as nothing's mounted under /mnt
[10:48] <alexicon> yeah ive got it mounted
[10:48] <jhutchins> You can mount a partition on top of any directory.
[10:48] <alexicon> i see a copy of 2.6.17-11
[10:48] <alexicon> i thought it was higher than that tho
[10:48] <alexicon> 2.6.18 or something
[10:48] <jhutchins> There are even ways you can mount directories at opther points in the filesystem.
[10:48] <blue|palm> what is the latest version of the linux kernel?
[10:48] <alexicon> yeah what is the latest version
[10:49] <alexicon> uname -a anyone...
[10:49] <HymnToLife> blue|palm, 2.6.20 is the latest stable release
[10:49] <alexicon> is that whast being handed out??
[10:49] <blue|palm> !xinerama
[10:49] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[10:49] <HymnToLife> alexicon, with Ubuntu, no
[10:49] <jhutchins> blue|palm: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/patch-2.6.20-git6.bz2
[10:49] <blue|palm> thanks
[10:49] <HymnToLife> unless you use the testing version (aka Feisty)
[10:49] <alexicon> ok
[10:49] <alexicon> so whats the latest on edgy?
[10:49] <blue|palm> What is feisty fawn going to use? Does anybody know?
[10:49] <HymnToLife> 2.6.17
[10:50] <alexicon> ok
[10:50] <alexicon> 17-11?
[10:50] <HymnToLife> alexicon, yes
[10:50] <alexicon> ok
[10:50] <HymnToLife> blue|palm, now, it uses 2.6.20
[10:50] <HymnToLife> and I don't think it will change before release
[10:51] <blue|palm> but what about gfx drivers that dont support the new kernel (like fglrx)
[10:51] <HymnToLife> !info linux-image-generic feisty
[10:51] <jhutchins> Feisty will use a kernel that's reasonably current at release time, subject to adequate testing.
[10:51] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.1 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[10:51] <blue|palm> do we just have to wait?
[10:51] <HymnToLife> blue|palm, I guess so, or buy a nvidia card
[10:51] <jhutchins> blue|palm: That's why glx is experimental these days.
[10:51] <blue|palm> HymnToLife: Im seriously considering that :(
[10:52] <blue|palm> jhutchins: what do you mean by experimental (coz im using it right now)
[10:52] <jhutchins> blue|palm: Then you are an experimenter.
[10:52] <blue|palm> jhutchins: lol
[10:52] <HymnToLife> jhutchins, fglrx != glx
[10:52] <jhutchins> Right, right, I mean the beryl stuff.
[10:53] <HymnToLife> blue|palm, where did you see that newer kernels didn't support fglrx ?
[10:53] <blue|palm> HymnToLife: Are you talking about the X extension
[10:53] <HymnToLife> jhutchins, fglrx is a driver for ati cards
[10:53] <blue|palm> HymnToLife: ATI themselves sed so
[10:53] <HymnToLife> that's bad
[10:53] <blue|palm> HymnToLife: yes
[10:53] <jhutchins> THis stuff takes time to get around.
[10:53] <jhutchins> Kernels have to be released, get tested, get things ported and those things tested...
[10:54] <blue|palm> HymnToLife: when you say glx is that the X extension?
[10:54] <jhutchins> Microsoft does the same thing, only you don't see anything until it's all as finished as they can get it.
[10:54] <HymnToLife> !glx
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <jhutchins> With Linux you can jump in anywhere along the line.
[10:54] <alexicon> do get those new restricted modules does that mean i have to have boot mounted then
[10:54] <HymnToLife> blue|palm, well, basically, GLX is an implementation of the X server woth OpenGL acceleration
[10:54] <alexicon> hrm i better just mount it i guess
[10:54] <HymnToLife> with*
[10:55] <blue|palm> HymnToLife: Then yes that is what i am currently using
[10:55] <HymnToLife> alexicon, what about the restricted-modules ? just apt-get them
[10:55] <blue|palm> HymnToLife: for beryl of course
[10:55] <HymnToLife> I tried beryl not so long ago
[10:55] <HymnToLife> nice but very buggy
[10:55] <blue|palm> HymnToLife: can you tell me, in a nutshell, the difference between xgl and aiglx?
[10:55] <HymnToLife> no :p
[10:56] <blue|palm> HymnToLife: lol why?
[10:56] <HymnToLife> I guess that's just another reimplementation of X
[10:56] <HymnToLife> because I don't know it
[10:56] <blue|palm> !aiglx
[10:56] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-effects for support.
[10:56] <blue|palm> oh ok
[10:56] <blue|palm> lol
[10:56] <blue|palm> wow
[10:56] <blue|palm> for open source drivers then
[10:56] <skarface> heh straight from wikipedia
[11:00] <mart81> [22:56:12]    HymnToLife | because I don't know it                                                                                Boss_evo
[11:00] <mart81> oops
[11:01] <alexicon> does that nvidia-glx-config enable ever work for anyone
[11:02] <jhutchins> Time to go feed the horses, later all.
[11:03] <HymnToLife> alexicon, yes, unless running edgy
[11:03] <alexicon> unless!?
[11:03] <HymnToLife> in which case it's nvidia-xconfig
[11:03] <alexicon> lol
[11:03] <alexicon> ok
[11:03] <alexicon> i'll try that thing
[11:03] <alexicon> sudo that?
[11:03] <tanq> i'm currently using the installer wizard, and the prepare mount points screen seems rather confused.
[11:03] <alexicon> tyeah probably
[11:04] <alexicon> ah cool
[11:04] <tanq> i assigned / to my /dev/hda4 and swap to my hda3 and it tells me "No Root File Sysytem"
[11:04] <alexicon> hrm
[11:04] <alexicon> it didnt change driver to nvidia
[11:04] <alexicon> its still sayin nv
[11:05] <alexicon> hrm and why do i have the package nvidia-xconfig but adept tells me i dont have it installed @_@
[11:06] <HymnToLife> how do you know you have it then ?
[11:07] <alexicon> because i just ran it :P
[11:07] <HymnToLife> try installing it then
[11:07] <VividHazE> hey can anyone help me its really simple but i'm stupid. I'm trying to change permissions on my scanner so I can use it, its already setup, I found instructions to find out what number to put at the end of this: sudo chmod a+w /dev/bus/usb/001/002 but it was for Ubuntu not Kubuntu which I have and I can't figure it out
[11:07] <HymnToLife> VividHazE, lsusb in a terminal
[11:07] <alexicon> hrm wants to remove glx to install it
[11:07] <VividHazE> thanks HymnToLife
[11:08] <HymnToLife> alexicon, hmm yeah, in fact you shouldn't install it :p
[11:08] <alexicon> lol ok i wont then
[11:08] <alexicon> damn still wants to remove glx...
[11:08] <HymnToLife> are you running Dapper or Edgy ?
[11:08] <alexicon> edgy
[11:09] <alexicon> and im usin the lupine repos
[11:09] <HymnToLife> what the hell is that ?
[11:09] <alexicon> newest nvidia drivers to use with beryl
[11:09] <alexicon> hrm
[11:09] <alexicon> its supposed to get the newest nvidia kernel stuff too
[11:10] <alexicon> but it says ive got ubuntu nvidia kernel and i got the lupine nvidia drivers
[11:10] <alexicon> which is going to be the problem
[11:10] <HymnToLife> can't help you with it then
[11:11] <xJPM100x> whats the wiki page that tells you how to install the ati propritarye driver?
[11:11] <alexicon> !ati
[11:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:17] <parkerw207> i dont suppose anyone can help me getting linux on my ipod ?
[11:18] <JohnFlux2> parkerw207: #handhelds
[11:18] <parkerw207> ok thanks
[11:18] <JohnFlux2> parkerw207: and #opie etc should be able to point you in the right place
[11:19] <JohnFlux2> opie has nothing to do with linux on the ipod, but they are smart guys and know about that sort of thing
[11:19] <parkerw207> ooo ok thanks
[11:20] <scotty> How can I make Firefox the default web browser, instead of Konq?
[11:22] <soulrider> scotty: hold on, ill tell you in a sec
[11:22] <scotty> thanks, soulrider
[11:22] <soulrider> scotty: system settings > default applications
[11:22] <soulrider> you can change it there
[11:24] <parkerw207> gusy when i try to use the linux installer for ipod
[11:24] <parkerw207> i get this message
[11:24] <parkerw207> !pastebin
[11:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:24] <parkerw207> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5325/
[11:25] <scotty> soulrider: I owe you one. Thanks a bunch.
[11:26] <soulrider> no prob
[11:27] <parkerw207> anyone ?
[11:28] <mau12> How can I setup the page in ofpenoffice writer to change it into landscape
[11:30] <edmund__> we
[11:32] <hamit> trke bilen varm aranzda arkadalar
[11:33] <mau12> Help, I'm using openoffice for my first time and I don't know how setting up the page to set a landscape one, somebody could help me?
[11:34] <samiam010203> anyone using samab on feisty and having issues with it?
[11:34] <samiam010203> i ment samba
[11:35] <soulrider> mau12: i dont know but maybe if youa sk int he open office channel
[11:35] <ant> its in the menu bar
[11:36] <mau12> soulrider: how can i get into the openoffice chanel?
[11:36] <parkerw207> hello miles
[11:37] <parkerw207> look i can see your on ntl :)
[11:37] <parkerw207> http://bersirc.free2code.net/index.php/downloads/
[11:37] <parkerw207> oops
[11:37] <parkerw207> miles :S?
[11:37] <Milesc1989> willlll lol
[11:37] <parkerw207> calm down
[11:37] <Milesc1989> ok
[11:38] <parkerw207> anyone here no how to sort out dependencies ?
[11:38] <parkerw207> this linux ipod installer wnt work
[11:38] <soulrider> mau12: maybe #openoffice or #openoffice.org
[11:39] <parkerw207> miles can you help?
[11:39] <Milesc1989> yoru joking right?
[11:39] <parkerw207> lol
[11:39] <parkerw207> anyone?
[11:39] <Milesc1989> MEEEEEEEEEEEE
[11:39] <parkerw207> miles calm down
[11:40] <Milesc1989> lol ok
[11:40] <parkerw207> this is for support not childness
[11:40] <jay> does anyone here know how to get xmodmap to recognize my Super keys?
[11:41] <jay> right now xmodmap prints out this: mod4        Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
[11:42] <parkerw207> !pastebin
[11:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:43] <mluser> anyone know of a way to make aptitude think a package is already installed? Is it possible to 'inject' a package into the database when its not really installed?
[11:45] <ScottK> mluser: Why would you want to do that?
[11:48] <parkerw207> hey guys miles was thinking of getting kubuntu , could you give him a few tips about it ? like its positive points ?
[11:49] <|Daisuke_Ido|> it's...  not windows?
[11:49] <Milesc1989> lol
[11:49] <parkerw207> thats a good point :)
[11:49] <parkerw207> he's worried its gonna be too complicated for him
[11:49] <|Daisuke_Ido|> seriously though, it's a stable full-featured OS with plenty of community support
[11:49] <parkerw207> though if i can get used to it ,... anyone can :O
[11:49] <xpoint> even if its ubuntu ?
[11:49] <|Daisuke_Ido|> yes, there's some learning involved.
[11:49] <T3hWiz0r1> can anyone help me with beryl? it seems to be running very slow on my computer... and i think it may be due to the guide i followed.
[11:50] <|Daisuke_Ido|> but it's nothing that can't be overcome fairly quickly
[11:50] <JohnFlux2> T3hWiz0r: what video card
[11:50] <T3hWiz0r1> !beryl
[11:50] <parkerw207> miles is on an advanced IT course
[11:50] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:52] <|Daisuke_Ido|> Milesc1989: you should have no problems in that case.
[11:52] <|Daisuke_Ido|> a bit of advice though (just from my own experience), it's far easier to make the switch if you *don't* dual boot.
[11:53] <|Daisuke_Ido|> that makes it too easy to backslide to windows
[11:53] <underdog5004> I agree
[11:53] <underdog5004> although it is helpful for beginners
[11:53] <samiam010203> thats what i tell people all the time "dont doul boot just make the switch"
[11:53] <Milesc1989> i see thank you
[11:53] <underdog5004> of course, if they _don't_ like linux, then they're pretty screwed...
[11:54] <samiam010203> then they can go back to windows
[11:54] <|Daisuke_Ido|> not necessarily
[11:54] <parkerw207> who'd wanna go back there :S
[11:54] <parkerw207> seriously lol
[11:54] <|Daisuke_Ido|> they can go back to windows, as long as any other partitions are fat32, they'll still be perfectly readable upon reinstalling windows
[11:55] <|Daisuke_Ido|> parkerw207: agreed, but hardcore gamers wouldn't see it that way (yet)
[11:55] <parkerw207> miles isnt a hard core gamer
[11:55] <parkerw207> are you miles lol
[11:55] <samiam010203> i dont see how you could go back. if you give kubuntu a chance you will see the shere power of it is more than windows ever could be
[11:56] <Milesc1989> no im not
[11:56] <parkerw207> what do you use your pc for most miles ?