[00:08] <hggdh> charlie-tca: well, some could say it without a problem
[00:08] <hggdh> of course, I can say the word. But sphrd is still too easy
[00:09] <hggdh> hum
[00:09] <hggdh> kddsh
[00:12] <Varc> I am back :D
[00:14] <kklimonda> bah, ubuntu wiki is throwing 500 errors like crazy
[00:15] <kklimonda> any idea where should I report it?
[00:15] <kklimonda> RT?
[00:16] <ddecator> i was getting that too whenever i would save a page
[00:17] <yofel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+filebug (I think)
[00:17] <hggdh> kklimonda: I am not sure, but I think there is a project for this
[00:17] <hggdh> good old yofel :-)
[00:19] <kklimonda> ah, bug 668530
[00:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 668530 in ubuntu-website "Wiki - 500 Internal Server Error" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668530
[00:20] <kklimonda> also, RT was apparently a better guess :)
[00:21] <kklimonda> (aka the more evil bugtracker for ubuntu-related activities)
[00:24] <DrKenobi> Hi friends! I found two bugs and I think that bug 566717 is a duplicate of bug 465034. Can someone help me please?
[00:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 566717 in indicator-me "poor integration with pidgin" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566717
[00:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 465034 in indicator-me "Set status via me menu logs in empathy even if the user is using Pidgin" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/465034
[00:29]  * DrKenobi dinner
[00:33] <hggdh> kklimonda: interesting to find that
[00:34] <hggdh> I will look at the RT
[00:35] <Varc> Hey guys
[00:35] <Varc> Someone here use Mangler?
[00:44] <Varc> I think i found a bug :D
[01:02] <Varc> What i need do in the LaunchPad page if i find a bug, is with the Lenguage Traslator i am trying to fix it myself
[01:05] <yofel> Varc: you mean with the translations component of launchpad?
[01:05] <Varc> Nop
[01:05] <Varc> the Software
[01:05] <Varc> http://www.nongnu.org/libtranslate/gnome-translate/
[01:05] <Varc> Have a problem with the code
[01:06] <Varc> When you traslate something this show the code too and the idea is just the traslate
[01:09] <Varc> yofel: I think is not the same software or diferent version's the source because have not the same images
[01:11] <yofel> which images?
[01:11] <yofel> from that webpage?
[01:11] <Varc> No
[01:11] <Varc> the Software-Source images
[01:12] <Varc> Are diferent versions
[01:12] <yofel> that page says 0.99, and we have gnome-translate 0.99 in the archive
[01:12] <yofel> so I guess I don't understand what you mean..
[01:13] <Varc> the program say the same version. I think is my mistake maybe are problem with the images into the source, are old images
[01:14] <yofel> I haven't yet understood which images you mean - to get the source of an application from our archive you can use 'apt-get source gnome-translate' - or where did you get it from?
[01:14] <Varc> From the WebSite
[01:14] <Varc> Have you the sources?
[01:15] <Varc> Amazing, is a traslate and say "Unable to traslate"   Spanish-French
[01:17] <yofel> Varc: ah, do you mean that you get something like this as translation? http://paste.ubuntu.com/556407/
[01:18] <Varc> Exactly
[01:19] <Varc> It's this a bug?
[01:23] <yofel> seems to be an incompatibility with google
[01:24] <Varc> Google? this work with the google traslate?
[01:24] <yofel> seems so, you can see what services it uses in the preferences
[01:24] <yofel> once I disable google it works fine
[01:25] <yofel> seems like a bug, but I don't see how to file a bug upstream else than sending a mail to the author :/
[01:26] <Varc> Hmmm, Jean-Yves Lefort<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I think. But we need talk with the author?
[01:27] <yofel> well, you can file a bug on launchpad with 'ubuntu-bug gnome-translate' in any case, that depends if you find someone to fix it then
[01:28] <Varc> So, if i fix the bug i can post it in the LaunPad site
[01:28] <Varc> LaunchPad**
[01:29] <yofel> we are triaging bugs here and help with filing them - if you want to fix it you can prepare a patch and ask in #ubuntu-motu how to make a debdiff out of it and get it into the archive
[01:29] <yofel> I can't help though since I neither know C programming very well nor GTK
[01:31] <Varc> I see, well. We can if don't found nothing just put a Message box "If this applicaicon don't work, please go to Edit - Preferences and disable the "Google" option"
[01:33] <Varc> Report bugs to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:33] <Varc> Can i send a message to him?
[01:35] <DrKenobi> Hi friends! I found two bugs and I think that bug 566717 is a duplicate of bug 465034. Can someone help me please?
[01:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 566717 in indicator-me "poor integration with pidgin" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566717
[01:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 465034 in indicator-me "Set status via me menu logs in empathy even if the user is using Pidgin" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/465034
[01:35] <Varc> Where do you found it?
[01:35] <yofel> Varc: if it says to report bugs to him I guess you should
[01:36] <Varc> yofel: Ok i will send him a message with the information
[01:40] <evilvish> hggdh: hey..
[01:46] <Varc> I send it. now i need go, tomorrow have school plase apologize me. See you tomorrow.
[01:46] <yofel> good night
[01:46]  * yofel vanishes too
[01:47] <Varc> Thanks, see you hggdh if you read it
[02:00]  * evilvish read scrollback again, wondering what hggdh's ping was about..
[02:01] <evilvish> reads*
[02:01] <evilvish> yup,  'kddsh' is a good tongue twister ;p
[02:19] <c2tarun> can anyone take a look on bug 705662 please.
[02:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 705662 in evolution "cant send email without opening evolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705662
[02:34] <c2tarun> need help on bug 705487
[02:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 705487 in empathy "A few problems with Empathy Internet Messaging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705487
[02:50] <ddecator> c2tarun: hm, well that empathy report should be separate reports since they may have separate causes
[02:50] <ddecator> c2tarun: what are you wondering about the evolution report?
[02:53] <micahg> c2tarun: check for dupes before asking the reporter to file new bugs
[02:53] <c2tarun> actually in evolution I am not able to understand the problem he is talking about? + some information is required in order to reproduce the bug? I commented on the bug, Can you please check
[02:53] <c2tarun> micahg: sorry I always forget this :(
[02:53] <c2tarun> micahg: I'll check now
[02:54] <micahg> c2tarun: I usually find almost all issues are reported and there's one left and then you just retitle this one for the remaining issue
[02:54] <ddecator> good point
[02:55] <c2tarun> micahg: actually retiteling is because of spelling mistake. witout/without
[02:57] <c2tarun> micahg: there are 900+ bugs for evolutions :( how can we find a duplicate here?
[02:57] <ddecator> micahg: he meant that if all of those issues are for duplicates, but there is one remaining issue, then the title can be changed to reflect the issue that hasn't be reported before
[02:57] <ddecator> whoops
[02:57] <ddecator> c2tarun: ^^
[02:58] <micahg> c2tarun: search
[02:58] <c2tarun> micahg: ok
[02:58] <ddecator> c2tarun: a good way is to use google and search "site:bugs.launchpad.net <search terms>"
[02:58] <micahg> the LP search should be pretty good, search for less to find more
[02:59] <ddecator> yah, i've just had mixed luck with the LP search in the past since titles can be misleading
[03:02] <c2tarun> micahg, ddecator: searched, this is not a duplicate bug. :)
[03:05] <c2tarun> sorry friends :( I gotta go, my laptop battery is low and power is out here.... I'll continue after power will come.
[12:45] <DrKenobi> pedro_: Hello!
[12:49] <pedro_> DrKenobi, hello there! great work on the bug day :-)
[12:50] <DrKenobi> pedro_: Thank you! I still have some thing to do with one or two bugs, but I have enought time to wor with them!
[12:54] <DrKenobi> pedro_: I have a little problem. I was a member of the mentorship program at Launchpad but I never renew my membership. So now I've just applied again. My mentor is mrand
[12:55] <pedro_> DrKenobi, you're still working with him ?
[12:56] <DrKenobi> pedro_: Yes!
[12:58] <pedro_> DrKenobi, done :-)
[12:59] <DrKenobi> pedro_: Thanks! :-D
[12:59] <pedro_> thank you for helping :-)
[13:23] <mrand> thanks pedro_ !
[14:21] <hggdh> evilvish: there? Just want to be sure I can reinstate ojap as a mentee
[14:27] <evilvish> hggdh: yup, sure... i thought he was already back in.
[15:16] <trinikrono> yo yofel
[15:42] <hjd> Hi all. I'm a bit unsure about bug 704184. Should it be tagged with 'patch'?
[15:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 704184 in linux-meta "Afatech 9013 DVB-T chips need a patch to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704184
[15:44] <hggdh> evilvish: thank you
[15:55] <yofel> hey trinikrono
[15:57] <yofel> hjd: that needs to be reassigned to the right package -> 'linux', not linux-meta and usually patch means there is a patch attached to the bug...
[15:57] <yofel> JFo: ^
[15:57]  * JFo reads back
[15:58] <JFo> changed to the right package
[15:59] <JFo> looking at the link in the description now
[16:00] <DrKenobi> mrand: are you online?
[16:01] <hjd> JFo, yofel : ok. I just stumbled across it and noticed it was referring to a patch. The link leads to more of a description than a patch, though from what I skimmed.
[16:01] <JFo> there are changes there that are noted, just not in patch form
[16:03] <DrKenobi> Hello! I've just sent upstream Bug 653797. Can someone set the status as 'Triaged'? I hope i did everything in the correct way!
[16:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653797 in pidgin "Default-with-Skype emoticon theme broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653797
[16:06] <charlie-tca> DrKenobi: done, thanks for upstreaming that
[16:06] <DrKenobi> charlie-tca: thank you!
[16:06] <yofel> according to the description: can you add the 'regression-release' tag?
[16:07] <yofel> the reporter does say it worked fine in lucid
[16:09] <yofel> DrKenobi: ^
[16:09] <DrKenobi> yofel: :)
[16:12] <yofel> DrKenobi: can you add it?
[16:12] <DrKenobi> yofel: add what?
[16:12] <yofel> [17:06:59] <yofel> according to the description: can you add the 'regression-release' tag?
[16:13] <yofel> [17:07:31] <yofel> the reporter does say it worked fine in lucid
[16:14] <DrKenobi> Oh! I didn't receive those messages! I'll do it
[16:18] <DrKenobi> yofel: done!
[16:18] <yofel> thanks
[16:18] <hjd> JFo: thanks for sorting out the bug :)
[16:25] <hjd> Another question about 'patch', bugs with link to a changeset should be tagged with 'patch', right? (bug 490761)
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 490761 in tailor "Upstream has fixed bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490761
[16:27] <yofel> no, patch means there is a patch on the bug as an attachment (and those bugs get auto-tagged with patch)
[16:29] <JFo> hjd, no problem :)
[16:30] <hjd> yofel: ok, I see. Though wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags also mentions "or contains link to a patch". But I don't know as I really haven't triaged bugs with patches before...
[16:30] <yofel> ah, hm..
[16:31] <JFo> fwiw, I never tag bugs with links as containing a patch
[16:31] <JFo> but that is just kernel bugs
[16:35] <hjd> hm... I think I'll just leave it alone, then.
[16:49]  * DrKenobi lunch
[17:31] <bdmurray> hjd: well you could update the wiki page for bug tags and remove the 'links to a patch' bit
[17:43] <Varc> Hello all
[17:43] <AbhiJit> hi
[17:44] <hjd> bdmurray: do regular users have the rights to do that? I sort of assumed offical pages like that required privileges.
[17:45] <bdmurray> hjd: yes, you can do it - people are subscribed to the pages so watch for changes
[17:45] <Varc> Anyone here are from the Bug Squad?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Varc: many are here, but we are volunteers and might be doing other work while watching the channel
[17:53] <hjd> bdmurray: ok. So has the policy changed, or has the description been misleading? Also, a minor annoyance: I seem to be unable to log in to the wiki right now.
[17:54] <Varc> I see, no i am of the Bug squad too i jsut wanna see who is who
[17:55] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay
[17:57] <Varc> Hey
[17:58] <Varc> you knwo any good fotware for work on Design (Software, images & videos) Of course different softwares'
[17:59] <hjd> Ok, one step further. I need to associate my openId with the username. Is that basically saying I want to be able to log into wiki.ubuntu.com as well as Launchpad?
[18:00] <Varc> Is easy
[18:00] <Varc> Register in the Wiki.Ubuntu.com Site and put in the LaunchPad account "Wiki UserName" and Host "wiki.ubuntu.com"
[18:00] <bdmurray> hjd: its hard to way which changed - probably both ;-)
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Varc: the ubuntu-art mailing list is great for that kind of software. They recommend gimp and inkscape often
[18:07] <Varc> charlie-tca: Can you send me a link?
[18:08] <charlie-tca> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[18:10] <Varc> Are you sure this page is great form start to find  programs
[18:11] <Varc> Be right Back
[18:11] <hjd> bdmurray: there. Done! :) Would probably have been a bit easier if I hadn't gotten server errors left and right. I don't think the wiki likes me :p
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Varc: it is a mailing list, not a page. they are a group that does Design work, software, images, sometimes videos
[18:16] <bdmurray> hjd: awesome, thanks for helping out!
[18:22] <hjd> I'm happy to help. Speaking of the wiki, I notice https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved doesn't mention the mailing list among the requirements. Should it perhaps be added?
[18:42] <bdmurray> hjd: yes that makes sense to me
[18:55] <hjd> bdmurray: done :)
[21:51] <Varc> I am back guys. i see,thanks you charlie-tca
[22:13] <Varc> !coc
[22:13] <ubot2> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ .  For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct .
[22:13] <Varc> !man
[22:13] <ubot2> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the  command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | Manpages online: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[22:13] <Varc> !terminal
[22:13] <ubot2> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[22:15] <Varc> !tmp
[22:15] <ubot2> Factoid 'tmp' not found
[22:16] <micahg> !msgthebot > Varc
[22:16] <ubot2> Varc, please see my private message
[22:16] <Varc> :P Brb
[22:35] <Varc> I am back :D


[16:04] <mup> Bug #2022081 opened: commissioning fails on Power9 (ppc64le) with Focal <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022081>
[16:25] <mup> Bug #2022082 opened: 30-maas-01-bmc-config commissioning script fails on Power9 (ppc64le) <MAAS:New> <The Ubuntu-power-systems project:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022082>
[16:40] <mup> Bug #2022084 opened: secure boot enabled on RHEL image fails to boot local on 2nd reboot after deploy <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022084>
[16:43] <mup> Bug #2022084 changed: secure boot enabled on RHEL image fails to boot local on 2nd reboot after deploy <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022084>
[16:49] <mup> Bug #2022084 opened: secure boot enabled on RHEL image fails to boot local on 2nd reboot after deploy <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022084>


[01:19] <whosaidwhat> hey folks, just want to say that I am really enjoying Xubuntu 15.04. Runnign smoothly for a few days now and it just keeps getting better.
[08:20] <xubuntu634> Bonjour
[08:21] <xubuntu634> Hello ?
[08:22] <ObrienDave> yes?
[08:22] <xubuntu634> I need some help (I'm french)
[08:22] <ObrienDave> ok. what can we help you with?
[08:23] <xubuntu634> So... Linux tell me that it is installing, but I don't see a loading bar ? Why ?
[08:23] <knome> xubuntu634, if it's working, why should you see a loading bar?
[08:24] <xubuntu634> I don't know if it is working... normally  there is a installation ?! First, I fill the information, and after... ?
[08:26] <ObrienDave> do you mean the OS installation or a package?
[08:27] <xubuntu634> I installed Linux with a USB key, then, I started installation and perfect, I clic (sorry for my english) on Istal Xubuntu 14.0, I fill information, and after he say ''thanks''. It is already finish ???
[08:28] <ObrienDave> normally it takes 15 to 30 minutes for full install. depending on the speed of your system
[08:29] <knome> xubuntu634, i believe that is the end of the installer slideshow, just wait for it to finish
[08:29] <xubuntu634> I wait ?
[08:30] <knome> that would be my advice
[08:30] <xubuntu634> What's advice in french ?
[08:31] <xubuntu634> "avis" ?
[08:31] <ObrienDave> his recommendation
[08:31] <xubuntu634> ok tahnks
[08:31] <xubuntu634> thanks*
[08:32] <xubuntu634> If in 30 min there is a problem, I back
[08:32] <ObrienDave> we'll be here
[08:32] <xubuntu634> thank you very much
[08:52] <wwallacew> hi
[08:52] <ObrienDave> Appropriate time-of-day greetings & Welcome
[08:58] <kgb> o/
[08:59] <kgb> blah, he's gone :-#
[08:59] <ObrienDave> yea, me too. bed time *waves*
[09:27] <jonassm> hello guys. i am currently trying to install xubuntu through a USB installer, however i have a very big problem, the installer is not detecting already made partitions. So its seeing my SSD and HDD as 2 giant free space, evne though i already have Win7 on the SSD and files on the HDD
[09:38] <bazhang> partitions already made how and with what
[10:14] <xubuntu634> Hello, I'm back
[10:15] <xubuntu634> The software don't tell me Restart... Maybe it is not finish ? :)
[10:16] <xubuntu634> Oh, the software has moved ?
[10:16] <xubuntu634> It's maybe finish or it's an error ?
[10:16] <xubuntu634> Oh no he is here !
[10:17] <knome> if you are more comfortable with french, you can get support in french too
[10:17] <knome> !fr | xubuntu634
[10:17] <xubuntu634> ok, but you know my problem oh ok I goin french thanks
[10:18] <carrera> Greetings!  :-)
[10:18] <knome> xubuntu634, no problem and good luck
[10:19] <carrera> the screen saver on my laptop running 15.04 suddenly stopped working a couple of days ago
[10:21] <carrera> ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-power-manager.xml  looks fine
[10:21] <carrera> I even changed the value and saved the file, logged out and back in to no avail
[10:22] <carrera> any ideas as to why the display is not being blanked out and how I can fix it would be greatly appreciated
[10:31] <Reptilia> Power optimization is not that good in 15.04, as it was in 14.04. I have noticed this since my battery discharges way quicker than it used to, and the battery aging is dismissed as the reason for this, since i have noticed a difference immediately after the update/upgrade.
[10:38] <knome> Reptilia, i've seen you tell us that before; what do you expect to happen?
[10:39] <knome> Reptilia, 15.04 isn't going to get any real upgrades since it's not an LTS release
[10:40] <Reptilia> knome:Well, isn't that a good thing? - Someone who uses your software, is telling you the differences that he/she have noticed, in order for you to improve that thing in the near future?
[10:40] <Reptilia> knome:Is there a way for me to downgrade to 14.10?
[10:41] <knome> Reptilia, sure, feedback is great, but there's no need to repeat it (the best way to get it "archived" any way would to send it to a mailing list)
[10:41] <knome> Reptilia, and no, you can't downgrade
[10:43] <Reptilia> knome:Okay :)
[11:13] <carrera> Any pointers for me Mr. Knome?
[11:17] <xubuntu634> Hello I'm back. Nobody has answered in French, si I return in English
[11:17] <xubuntu634> so*
[11:18] <xubuntu634> It's not finish :(
[11:19] <xubuntu634> There are always slides
[11:45] <carrera> +
[17:03] <chaoswolf> Hello. Had a question about the 15.04 release.
[17:13] <chaoswolf> I don't have a CD-RW, and I'm fresh out of USBs. I can't seem to get the img file to mount.
[17:27] <pigeon-> good day everybody !  In macBook, with QuickTime Player, it is possible to capture a video as it is played on screen.  Is it possible to do the same thing with xuBuntu?
[17:28] <mrkramps> yes
[17:29] <pigeon-> hi mrkRamps... so how can we record what appears on screen?
[17:29] <mrkramps> with software for screen capturing for example
[17:30] <pigeon-> do u have a particular software in mind that I can find in the ubuntu software center?
[17:32] <mrkramps> ffmpeg, libav-tools, vlc, recordmydesktop, kazam, istanbul etc etc
[17:34] <mrkramps> probably vlc might be a good starting point
[17:35] <pigeon-> okee thank you
[20:08] <adrian_1908> hello. I have a bash script to set xinput settings for my mouse. When i execute it manually, it gets the desire result, but when I add it as a startup script it doesn't. Any idea why this might be happening?
[20:10] <adrian_1908> brb need to relogin to test further
[20:51] <redraw> hey, i love xubuntu, but i have a fancy shit battery issue happening
[20:51] <redraw> http://i.imgur.com/kg7b6d4.png
[20:52] <redraw> i guess that happens when i close the lid too quickly
[20:52] <knome> please mind the language
[20:53] <redraw> oh, but the error is in english
[20:54] <redraw> Energy Manager would be the title of the notification


[22:02] <joeymorin> greetings.  i'm looking for help with ubuntu 9.04 on my toshiba p30.  specifically, the sd card reader.  anyone out there can help?


[03:16] <mikeputnam> tsimonq2: pong
[03:19] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: workin' hard on the LoCo wiki pages
[03:19] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: I want to make it better and up-to-date
[03:20] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: so I had Alex Dueppen make us some badges and there we go!
[03:21] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: I have been spending the last few hours making the stuff for the LoCo great
[03:40] <mikeputnam> cool
[03:41] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: any suggestions for the wiki page?
[03:42] <mikeputnam> lookin' good
[03:42] <mikeputnam> brb firewall reload
[03:43] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: ok :D
[03:47] <tsimonq2> oh?
[15:40] <tsimonq2> http://is.gd/dR9qNV
[15:41] <tsimonq2> h00k: ^
[21:04] <Chicken_Wrap> Sure is roomy in here.
[21:05] <tsimonq2> o/ Chicken_Wrap, but you are not from Wisconsin
[21:05] <tsimonq2> Chicken_Wrap: or are you?
[21:07] <Chicken_Wrap> Nope. Just felt like popping in. :^)


[17:48] <olly_> morning
[19:26] <ajmitch> morning
[19:45] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:55] <chilts> morning
[22:10] <UncleGus> can anyone help me out with installing wine in ubuntu?
[22:11] <olly_> UncleGus: what's going wrong?
[22:13] <UncleGus> sudo apt-get install wine gives me:
[22:13] <UncleGus>  wine : Depends: wine1.6 but it is not installable or
[22:13] <UncleGus>                  wine1.7 but it is not going to be installed
[22:13] <UncleGus> sudo apt-get install wine1.6 tells me that wine1.7 replaces it
[22:13] <UncleGus> sudo apt-get wine1.7 gives me:
[22:13] <UncleGus> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:13] <UncleGus>  wine1.7 : Depends: wine1.7-i386 (= 1:1.7.12-0ubuntu1~saucy1) but it is not installable
[22:14] <olly_> what architecture are you on?
[22:14] <UncleGus> sudo apt-get install wine1.7-i386 gives me:
[22:14] <UncleGus> Package wine1.7-i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[22:14] <UncleGus> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[22:14] <UncleGus> is only available from another source
[22:14] <UncleGus> E: Package 'wine1.7-i386' has no installation candidate
[22:15] <olly_> UncleGus: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH
[22:16] <olly_> i'd guess you're using a 64-bit install
[22:16] <olly_> not sure what the multiarch status of saucy is though - I don't have an ubuntu that recent around here
[22:20] <olly_> UncleGus: hmm, i can't see those versions - only 1.4 and older here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&keywords=wine&searchon=sourcenames
[22:23] <UncleGus> sorry, I got distracted by work
[22:23] <UncleGus> inconsiderate boss
[22:23] <UncleGus> The program 'dpkg-architecture' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[22:23] <UncleGus> sudo apt-get install dpkg-dev
[22:24] <UncleGus> I think it is 64 bit though
[22:24] <UncleGus> is that the issue?
[22:24] <UncleGus> should I be looking for "install wine on ubuntu 64bit"? or something?
[22:24] <olly_> well, that'll probably be why "Package 'wine1.7-i386' has no installation candidate"
[22:24] <olly_> but I'm unclear where you're getting 1.7 from
[22:24] <olly_> do you have some PPA or other external repo added?
[22:25] <UncleGus> no idea, man
[22:25] <UncleGus> never used linux before a few days ago
[22:27] <UncleGus> aha
[22:27] <UncleGus> I think I have it
[22:31] <ajmitch> it's normal for wine to have both amd64 & i386 enabled for dpkg, I think that's been the default
[22:36] <UncleGus> I'm following this tutorial thing, and it had an extra step for running wine on 64 bit wheezy, and I ignored it because I'm not using wheezy, or at least I don't know what it is=
[22:36] <UncleGus> so I just ran that step and it's doing some stuff
[22:36] <UncleGus> installing wine
[22:37] <UncleGus> you'd think it would be one of the first things you'd find though, when you google the error
[22:37] <UncleGus> it was the first thing you asked me
[22:38] <ajmitch> was the step something like dpkg --add-architecture i386?
[22:38] <UncleGus> indeed
[22:38] <UncleGus> then apt-get update
[22:38] <UncleGus> then apt-get install wine:i386
[22:40] <olly_> so that's enabled what's know as "multiarch"
[22:40] <UncleGus> sweet
[22:40] <olly_> which is a fairly recent change which allows installing 32 and 64 bit versions of packages on the same machine
[22:41] <UncleGus> so it can run 32 bit and 64 bit
[22:41] <olly_> yes, but packages need fixing to support it and not all have been
[22:41] <olly_> but most of the ones people really commonly want probably have been
[22:42] <UncleGus> now I'm supposed to run this script but I'm getting a permission error, even when using sudo
[22:48] <UncleGus> okay, another question then
[22:48] <UncleGus> I'm trying to switch user or something
[22:48] <UncleGus> su - username
[22:48] <UncleGus> but it's asking me for a password when I never gave the user one
[22:48] <UncleGus> is there some kind of default password?
[22:51] <UncleGus> or is there some way I can change a user's password
[22:53] <olly_> you can probably do: sudo su - username
[22:53] <UncleGus> lolyep
[22:53] <olly_> or to set/change a password: sudo passwd username
[23:11] <UncleGus> when you run xvfb, are you supposed to wait for the command prompt to reappear or what?
[23:15] <olly_> you probably want to use xvfb-run
[23:16] <olly_> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man1/xvfb-run.1.html


[05:48] <jtv> abentley: you're not really currently on call, are you?
[05:49] <abentley> jtv, true, I'm not.
[05:49] <jtv> should you even be awake?  :)
[05:49] <jtv> I'll just chuck myself on the queue.
[05:49] <abentley> jtv, yeah, it's only 12:50
[05:49] <jtv> ah, that's not so bad.
[08:16] <noodles775> henninge: hi! Did you get a chance to look at my MP yesterday?
[08:17] <henninge> noodles775: I started but did not finish. Sorry. It's on my list this morning.
[08:17] <noodles775> Ah oh... great, thanks henninge !
[10:22] <bigjools> noodles775: you happy with ui=rs for adding fields to forms?
[10:24] <noodles775> bigjools: It's usually a chance to get a second set of eyes over any potential easy improvements, so best to request a ui review always.
[10:24] <bigjools> okay np
[10:25] <bigjools> noodles775: did you know the guitarist in The Offspring is called Noodles? :)
[10:25] <noodles775> Nope!
[10:31] <StevenK> noodles775: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_%22Noodles%22_Wasserman
[10:32] <henninge> noodles775: review sent
[10:32] <noodles775> heh... looks like it wasn't for the same reason..
[10:32] <noodles775> Thanks henninge !
[11:03] <gmb> Wow, looks like I'm going to have a busy morning.
[11:03]  * gmb grabs a drink before getting started
[11:20] <bigjools> gmb: you removed my name from the queue ... you meany
[11:21] <gmb> bigjools, Hah. Why do I always manage to do that to you?
[11:21] <bigjools> subliminal
[11:21] <gmb> Indeed
[11:21] <bigjools> let me know when you get to it anyway, I am making some, er tweaks :)
[11:26] <gmb> bigjools, Ok. May be  a while...
[11:26] <bigjools> yeah I figured
[11:30] <gmb> krkhan, Which branch of yours do you want me to review? I see two in the queue.
[11:30] <gmb> export-Person-getBugSubscriberPackages and implement-Bug-findAttachments
[11:34] <gmb> krkhan, I'll just review the first one for now and come to the other one later.
[11:42] <bigjools> gmb: ok it's all fixed, feel free to JFRI
[11:44] <gmb> bigjools, Righto.
[12:11] <noodles775> Thanks gmb, I take it you found the right branch: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/536700-present-packagebuilds-in-ppa-context-2/+merge/27594
[12:12] <noodles775> henninge: I've pushed a new rev with some changes, and discussed some other ones from your review on the MP... thanks!
[12:12] <gmb> noodles775, Yep. Just added the review now; MP page was just giving me the spinner of infinity for some reason.
[12:13] <noodles775> Thanks gmb.
[12:16] <gmb> bigjools, commercial-archive-bug-593636, right?
[12:16] <bigjools> yip
[12:16] <gmb> Roit
[12:18] <ajmitch> gmb: I've got a branch that I want to get in at some point, however it changes an area which currently has no tests. What would be the right thing to do there?
[12:19] <gmb> ajmitch, My immediate response would be that it would be very cool if you could add unit tests to cover your change. If you can cover the other stuff that isn't covered at the same time, cool, if not, file a bug and add an XXX in the unit test module that you create.
[12:20] <gmb> ajmitch, Out of interest, what are you touching that's not covered by tests?
[12:20] <ajmitch> scripts/ftpmaster-tools/sync-source.py
[12:20]  * wgrant watches the reviewers scatter.
[12:20] <ajmitch> heh
[12:20] <gmb> bigjools, r=me
[12:20] <bigjools> lmao
[12:20] <gmb> ajmitch, AHAHAHAHAHA
[12:21] <gmb> *ahem*
[12:21] <bigjools> thanks gmb
[12:21] <ajmitch> also in another branch, adding webservice doctests for blueprints, which will be *fun* but doable :)
[12:21] <gmb> ajmitch, Not knowing the ftpmaster code at all, I don't know how hard it would be to add sane tests.
[12:21] <gmb> bigjools, do you know?
[12:21] <ajmitch> gmb: I love getting that sort of reaction...
[12:21] <bigjools> sync-source doesn't have tests because it's  very very old
[12:21] <bigjools> and only usually gets changed by ubuntu guys
[12:22] <ajmitch> wgrant was just telling me that there's another sort-of-implementation of the same?
[12:22] <bigjools> and soyuz guys have plans for internal native syncing
[12:22] <ajmitch> in other words, here be dragons
[12:22] <bigjools> breathing fire
[12:22] <bigjools> and brimstone
[12:23]  * ajmitch should have picked something easy, like rewriting blueprints from scratch
[12:26] <ajmitch> gmb: shall I put in a merge proposal for the 10-line diff I have, without tests, so that you or someone can pick at it?
[12:27] <gmb> ajmitch, Yeah, might as well. I might ask someone else to review it at the same time as me though so as to make sure I don't screw something up by approving it.
[12:27] <gmb> bigjools, Would you be willing to double check ajmitch's branch for me?
[12:27] <ajmitch> it's probably something that would need to be checked by someone using it
[12:29] <gmb> I don't know if bigjools counts.
[12:29]  * bigjools OTP, gimme some
[12:29] <gmb> ajmitch, Stick it on the queue anyway. I'm going to grab some lunch in a minute so I'll take a look when I get back.
[12:29] <ajmitch> sure
[12:29] <gmb> bigjools, No rush, I'm going to graze for a bit
[12:29] <ajmitch> I'll be heading off to sleep in a few min
[12:34] <ajmitch> ok, merge proposal is in, I probably screwed it up somewhere :)
[12:50] <bigjools> gmb: yes I can check it
[12:59] <krkhan> gmb: hello
[13:05] <krkhan> gmb: i've posted the results of person tests in merge proposal comments. the code doesn't introduce any regression
[13:09] <gmb> krkhan, Ah, so I confused myself a bit (had you exported a property, the test would have broken, because we list the properties exported).
[13:09] <wgrant> gmb: I've got a couple to throw on the queue, if that's OK.
[13:09] <gmb> krkhan, So, you need to add a test in xx-person that shows you can call the methdo from the API
[13:09] <gmb> wgrant, Sure, go for it.
[13:10] <gmb> wgrant, In fact, I'll do it
[13:10] <gmb> Otherwise we'll stomp all over each other
[13:10] <wgrant> (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/no-buildd-ogre-model/+merge/27410 and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bug-592935-hide-disabled-ppas/+merge/27411)
[13:10] <wgrant> Fair point.
[13:10] <krkhan> gmb: can i just write a unittest for the new method? or is doc test a requirement?
[13:10] <wgrant> Thanks.
[13:10] <gmb> np
[13:11] <gmb> krkhan, Doctest is easier because you have a lot of the work done for you in terms of setting up the webservice client (take a look at the existing test to see what I mean).
[13:14] <mars> Hi gmb, just getting started for the day
[13:14] <krkhan> gmb: i had done unittests for other branch and wasnt familiar with doctests. but now that i'm going through xx-person.txt i can see what you mean. writing one now
[13:14] <gmb> mars, Hi. No worries :)
[13:14] <gmb> krkhan, Cool, thanks. I'll review your other branch now.
[13:16] <mars> * gmb has changed the topic to: on-call: gmb  reviewing: krkhan || queue: [wgrant, wgrant] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ || https://code.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews
[13:37] <gmb> krkhan, Did you have a pre-implementation call with anyone about your branch?
[13:38] <gmb> (i.e. your Bug.findAttachments() branch)
[13:39] <gmb> (or a pre-implementation chat, for that matter)
[13:39] <krkhan> gmb: i had discussed it with bryceh
[13:39] <krkhan> (my mentor for gsoc)
[13:39] <gmb> krkhan, Ok.
[13:39] <gmb> krkhan, I'm just thinking that there's a potential for this method to cause problems.
[13:40] <gmb> krkhan, What would happen if I ran findAttachments('foo') against a Bug with a 2GB memory dump attached to it?
[13:44] <krkhan> gmb: that's exactly what i discussed with bryce. should i limit the attachment sizes that are searched or search the text file in chunks?
[13:45] <gmb> krkhan, Hmm. It's an interesting problem. My first thought is that we should limit the size of the attachments that we search, since searching a 2GB file in chunks will still take ages and will probably time out.
[13:46] <gmb> krkhan, Also, my thought is that if someone decided to hit the API many, many times in sequence with this request on a large attachment they could down an appserver or two, but that may just be scaremongering.
[13:47] <gmb> krkhan, So, yes, I think limiting this to files under an entirely arbitrary size would be a sensible measure. Based on what we've seen in the past with filesizes, searching and timeouts I'd suggest < 50MB. Also, chunking might not be entirely terrible.
[13:48] <BjornT> gmb: your concerns are valid. gmb, krkhan: it would make more sense to try to use the db for this. then we get similar search behaviour as the rest of lp, and you will avoid certain issues
[13:48] <krkhan> gmb: okay. i'll add the attachment size limits and appropriate tests
[13:49] <krkhan> BjornT: but db doesn't have attachments
[13:49] <BjornT> memory and performance is a big piece of concern. another is that the search doesn't behave as the rest of the searches in lp. another is that the current implementation will fail if the attachment contains non-ascii characters
[13:51] <krkhan> BjornT: i will fix non-ascii problem in the next revision. but i'm confused as to how db can be used for attachment search
[13:51] <krkhan> we don't have full text indices for the attachments
[13:52] <BjornT> krkhan: well, i'm not sure exactly how we can use the db. but it would be worth talking to stub (our dba) about it, to see what he thinks.
[13:52] <BjornT> krkhan: another possible solution would be to get all the attachments and do the searching in the client
[13:54] <krkhan> BjornT: doing it on the client side is what i did earlier on. it takes ages to download-search through all and defeats the whole purpose. doing searches in chunks and having file size limits can make it memory friendly though
[13:55] <stub> Using the DB to search attachments is problematic. We would need to store the text of the attachment in the DB (say the first 20k).
[13:55] <krkhan> stub: that would still be problematic as the matching text might be in the last 20k?
[13:56] <stub> You are talking about only doing this for limited sized attachments - I chose 20k as the limit.
[13:56] <stub> But that was an arbitrary choice.
[13:57] <stub> It might be possible to maintain an full text index but not store the text in the db, but I haven't done that before. It would probably work fine.
[13:57] <krkhan> the issue is, as gmb said i'm targetting file size limits around 50mb. having 50mb per attachment in the db is going to kill
[13:57] <gmb> krkhan, The more I think about it, 50MB is far too big
[13:57] <stub> I don't know if you can feed a chunk that big to tsearch2
[13:57] <gmb> We should be looking at far less than that.
[13:57] <gmb> krkhan, What do you forsee using this method for, specifically? What kind of attachments?
[13:58] <stub> Or using google to search the attachments if we don't mind only doing this for public ones.
[13:58] <krkhan> gmb: patches and dumps. so that "similar" bugs are automatically reported
[13:59] <krkhan> stub: would it be okay if a FTI is generated for every attachment that's added?
[13:59] <stub> Which are not really text, so full text search isn't necessarily the best fit.
[13:59] <krkhan> stub: yeah, that's what i was thinking
[14:01] <krkhan> to summarize: the problem is searching through text files on the server. the issue is being memory efficient. db searches aren't possible since data can't be in db and full text doesn't make sense for patches
[14:02] <krkhan> that only leaves having limits and doing in chunks. if 50 mb is large. we can have 5 mb. but that's arbitrary. if this approach is considered okay the limit itself can be adjusted later on
[14:02] <stub> In theory, we could add a 'fti' column to bugattachment and a GIST index so we can do full text searches. On upload, we would need to manually generate the tsvector to store in the fti column, since we can't use the trigger approach we use elsewhere. I don't think that would be a resource problem. I don't know if it a good idea though :)
[14:03] <BjornT> kiko: well, the issues are memory, performance (how long will it take to search through the files), and consistency with other searches in lp
[14:03] <stub> There will be a limit to how much text you can feed tsearch2 to generate a tsvector, which I forget. That will set your upper limit.
[14:03] <BjornT> krkhan: well, the issues are memory, performance (how long will it take to search through the files), and consistency with other searches in lp
[14:05] <krkhan> BjornT: i agree. consistency is a more troublesome issue since there isn't any other search in (afaik) that does something like this.
[14:06] <gmb> krkhan, BjornT, stub: Might I genially suggest we take this to the mailing list for discussion? Just in the interests of not getting stalled on this in the review channel.
[14:06] <stub> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/textsearch-limitations.html
[14:06] <gmb> (#launchpad-dev is equally valid)
[14:07] <stub> So it explodes if the length of the unique words + some overhead exceeds 1MB.
[14:07] <krkhan> stub: full text search will generate lots of false positives? "while" is a match regardless of the condition that the loop is using
[14:08] <krkhan> gmb: should i post this to the list
[14:08] <BjornT> gmb, krkhan: the mailing list sounds fine. instead of focusing on exactly how to implement findAttachments(), it would be good to explain what it will be used for. maybe there's a better solution to the problem
[14:08] <gmb> BjornT, krkhan, Agreed. I'll reject the branch and it can be resubmitted when a better solution is found.
[14:08] <stub> Consider changing the Librarian backend to some sort of database (instead of using the filesystem as the database) that allows you to index and search.
[14:09] <krkhan> BjornT, gmb: okay. that sounds fine
[14:10] <stub> krkhan: I don't think so. Using a GIST index for the lookup (GIN still has issues making it unsuitable for arbitrary user queries), you get false positives. PostgreSQL filters these by examining the stored tsvector (the contents of the 'fti' column)
[14:10] <stub> oh...
[14:11] <stub> Full text search is useful for searching for words in text.
[14:11] <stub> Sourcecode isn't really text. Punctuation is important, but text search strips that cruft out.
[14:12] <krkhan> stub: that's what i was saying. i'm not familiar with fti but i don't think it stores all the ++, --, <=s in the tsvectors
[14:12] <stub> PG is somewhat limited compared to, say, google - no phrase searches, no nearness. You do get boolean operations (foo AND bar OR NOT baz)
[14:13] <mars> gmb, since you know which of William's branches are in the queue, should I just move on to the activereviews stack?
[14:13] <krkhan> stub: apart from the fact that tokens are normalized to lexemes. so "failed" and "fails" match
[14:13] <gmb> mars, the one I'm *not* reviewing is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bug-592935-hide-disabled-ppas/+merge/27411
[14:13] <stub> No. You feed it text, it generates a tsvector, which is a list of lexemes (words munged so 'pages' and 'page' generate the same lexeme)
[14:13] <stub> Yup
[14:14] <mars> gmb, ok
[14:14] <mars> abentley, ping, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/bad-branch-name/+merge/27549 is hosed: merge conflicts with devel.  Do you still want it reviewed?
[14:15] <krkhan> stub: yes. so if i'm searching for code that contain "pages" code that contain "page" will match too. that is to say, the intended targets of patches and dumps aren't "texts"
[14:15] <mars> gmb, I'll take the other one then
[14:16] <wgrant> mars, gmb: Thanks.
[14:18] <abentley> mars, sure.  I'll just push the updated version...
[14:18] <krkhan> anyways. gmb, BjornT, stub: thanks for taking out time to review. will hopefully be back with a better approach soon
[14:18] <stub> krkhan: Yes. You can't really call that false positives though because it is by design. You can override how words get turned into lexemes so keep punctuation, no stemming etc. but we haven't done that.
[14:21] <krkhan> stub: i can do that overriding for a specific fti column in bug attachments?
[14:22] <krkhan> (table)
[14:22] <abentley> mars, updated.
[14:22] <mars> thanks abentley
[14:26] <wgrant> mars: Thanks. Can you ec2 land that, please?
[14:26] <mars> wgrant, certainly
[14:28] <gmb> wgrant, r=me on your other branch. I'll ec2 it for you.
[14:29] <wgrant> gmb: Great, thanks.
[14:29] <gmb> np
[14:42] <abentley> gmb, mars: could one of you review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/fix-592319/+merge/27552 please?
[14:43] <mars> abentley, gmb, I'll take it
[14:43] <abentley> mars, thanks.
[15:13] <krkhan> gmb: i've added doctest for my first branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~inspirated/launchpad/export-Person-getBugSubscriberPackages/+merge/27630
[15:14] <gmb> krkhan, Thanks, will take a look in a moment. No need to add yourself to the queue again; it comes straight to my inbox once I've reviewed your branch once.
[15:15] <mars> abentley, done
[15:15] <mars> I so want an IRC bot
[15:15] <krkhan> gmb: ah okay. thanks
[15:16] <abentley> mars, thanks.
[15:17] <mars> gmb, shall I take wgrant's third branch? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bug-592914-recipe-distroseries-order/+merge/27415
[15:20] <gmb> mars, Please; I'm OTP at the moment.
[15:21] <mars> done
[15:21] <abentley> mars, we're not reporting the fact that the branch doesn't exist.  We're reporting the fact that it's not stored on launchpad (and may not exist).
[15:22] <mars> abentley, oh, so the Exception itself is clearly named in the Launchpad domain, but the error text is clear in the wider Launchpad user's domain
[15:22] <abentley> mars, you agreed to review my other request: https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/fix-592319/+merge/27552
[15:23] <mars> abentley, gah, ok
[15:23] <mars> abentley, I'll do that first then
[15:38] <gmb> krkhan, Your test tests that the method works, but not that's it's called through the webservice. If you look elsewhere in xx-person.txt you'll see webservice getters being tested using webservice.named_get(). That's what you need to use.
[15:40] <mars> abentley, done, r=mars
[15:40] <abentley> mars, thanks.
[15:40] <gmb> krkhan, So something like
[15:40] <krkhan> gmb: okay. going to do that now
[15:40] <gmb> krkhan, Ah, cool.
[15:40] <gmb> krkhan, Feel free to ping me if you need more info.
[15:49] <abentley> mars, I'd be happy to change that message to "foo is not a branch on Launchpad" or something similar.  Would that be better?
[15:50] <mars> abentley, how often do you expect users to accidentally enter the name of a branch that is not on launchpad, vs. how often do you expect them to misspell an existing LP branch name?
[15:50] <mars> common or uncommon?
[15:53] <abentley> I think it will be more common to misspell a branch location that is on Launchpad, than to enter one that is not on Launchpad.  The latter is a newbie mistake.
[15:54] <mars> ok.  Thats' why I think "No such branch" sounds clear - it addresses the most common mistake, but still addresses the rare one.
[15:55] <abentley> mars, I don't think it addresses the case where the branch exists, but is not on Launchpad.
[15:55] <mars> abentley, in that case, I'd suggest going with "No such branch" or "Unknown branch".  I like the former for the stated reasons.  Up to you.
[15:57] <abentley> mars, cool.
[15:57] <mars> Well, if you enter a bad branch, "No such branch: my-site/foo" and "Unknown branch: my-site/foo" are just as newbie confusing.
[15:58] <mars> But for a LP user, "No such branch: lp:~foo" is quite clear language.  "Unknown branch: lp~foo" is just a bit more vague, that's all.
[15:59] <abentley> mars, and why is "foo is not a branch on Launchpad" not less confusing?
[16:02] <mars> abentley, reading it again, you are right, it is fine as well.  A bit more verbose.  Might sound better.
[16:02] <mars> abentley, sorry for the trouble, I'm just trying to find a balance between brusque messaging and clear user text.
[16:03] <abentley> mars, I know, this stuff is never easy.  There's often tension between precision and clarity.
[16:04] <mars> abentley, I trust your judgement.  Go with what you think fits.
[16:08] <mars> gmb, afk for a bit
[16:10] <gmb> mars, Ok.
[17:00]  * gmb knocks off for the evening
[18:20] <krkhan> gmb: updated my branch to use webservice.get
[18:45] <deryck[lunch]> hi mars.  I'll add my branch to the queue but will be away eating, so if someone needs to jump me in line, they certainly should.
[18:46] <mars> deryck[lunch], sure, thanks
[18:59] <joey> mars: there you go
[18:59] <joey> mars: folks just need to part and then join
[19:00] <mars> joey, erm, not sure if that works
[19:00] <mars> joey, was thinking "On-call reviewers should have voice, it would be easier to tell them apart"
[19:00] <mars> joey, if everyone who logs in has voice, that doesn't work as well
[19:01] <joey> mars: well, you have already done that I think with asking chanserv for it but it would be a manual process
[19:03] <joey> mars: now just ask for voice
[19:03] <mars> joey, perfect!  Thanks
[19:03] <joey> there you go
[19:03] <joey> glad I could help
[19:07] <krkhan> BjornT: ping
[20:33] <ajmitch> mars: thanks for checking over that fakesyncs branch. the lack of tests is certainly a problem, but I'm not sure how they could be added for that
[20:33] <mars> ajmitch, did one of the Soyuz team offer to smoke-test it on dogfood?
[20:34] <ajmitch> nope, I'd put it up there for gmb/bigjools to look at earlier, when I was awake & in-channel :)
[20:35] <ajmitch> it's most likely not ready for landing just yet until it can be checked over with some real data
[20:35] <ajmitch> plus I need to put in the contributors agreement :)
[20:35] <mars> ok, maybe explicitly add bigjools to the list, or drop him an email.
[20:35] <mars> ah, that too, yes
[20:35] <mars> add bigjools to the list of requested reviewers
[20:36] <ajmitch> besides that, I had a brief chat with an ubuntu archive admin to see if the idea was sane, but no real pre-impl call
[20:36] <mars> ok, so the policy is good.  bigjools will be able to double-check the implementation
[21:32] <mars> adiroiban, I can take that now
[21:32] <adiroiban> mars: I have attached a mockup to the bug
[21:32] <adiroiban> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/590899
[21:32] <_mup_> Bug #590899: Non human readable plural expression in language web view <ui> <Launchpad Translations:Triaged by adiroiban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/590899>
[21:32] <adiroiban> it should be simple
[21:32] <adiroiban> but the bug needs an UI pre-impl talk
[21:33] <adiroiban> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50391137/pofile-details.png
[21:33] <mars> rockstar, ^ do you want to take that?  or should we leave it for one of the UI mentats?
[21:33] <adiroiban> we need to decide where and how to present the following text „Plural formula: n==1 ? 0 : (n==0 || (n%100 > 0 && n%100 < 20)) ? 1 : 2”
[21:33] <rockstar> mars, I'm on leave all week.  I ain't touchin' it.
[21:34] <mars> rockstar, ah!
[21:34] <mars> sinzui, ping?
[21:34] <sinzui> hi mars
[21:35] <mars> hi sinzui - any advice for who should pick up adiroiban's UI review?
[21:35] <sinzui> Me or noodles
[21:37] <adiroiban> sinzui: no hurry to do this review. I was thinking that mars can do it as part of his path to become a UI reviewer
[21:37] <sinzui> adiroiban, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/launchpad/512735/+merge/23759 ?
[21:37] <adiroiban> sinzui: no
[21:38] <adiroiban> this is an pre-implementation talk
[21:38] <adiroiban> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/590899
[21:38] <_mup_> Bug #590899: Non human readable plural expression in language web view <ui> <Launchpad Translations:Triaged by adiroiban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/590899>
[21:38] <mars> adiroiban, that's been over a year now, and I don't plan to work on it any time soon :)
[21:38] <adiroiban> henninge ask to have an an UI pre-impl talk
[21:38] <sinzui> adiroiban, sorry, I was confused
[21:39] <adiroiban> and  this is why I am bringing this here
[21:39] <mars> makes sense
[21:39] <sinzui> adiroiban, do you wan me to send to my remarks or do you want to talk about it over irc or skype?
[21:39] <adiroiban> sinzui: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50391137/pofile-details.png
[21:40] <sinzui> I am looking at that now.
[21:40] <adiroiban> pick the communication channel that you think it is more appropriate
[21:41] <sinzui> adiroiban, I will send you my notes, then we can discuss them over irc/skype if we need more information
[21:42] <adiroiban> sinzui: ok. the mockup source file is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev/launchpad/rosetta-pofile-translate-mockups/annotate/head:/pofile-details.bmml
[21:42] <sinzui> fab
[21:43] <mars> thanks sinzui, adiroiban
[23:30] <bryceh> on-call: - || reviewing: - || queue: [bryce] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ || https://code.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews
[23:30] <bryceh> dah
[23:32] <wgrant> mars: Oops, I didn't know that attrgetter could handle a second level like that, so I deliberately avoided it.


[01:00] <Unit193> ochosi: ...You on focal?
[08:06] <Unit193> Looks like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=887022 was fixed.
[09:11] <Unit193> ochosi: You seemingly forgot to update POTFILES.in?
[09:27] <jphilips> Unit193: is the beta of core out?
[09:37] <Unit193> There wouldn't be a beta precisely, just a fresher build.
[09:37] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[09:39] <Unit193> Wimpress: Fancy meeting you here.
[09:49] <Wimpress> Is anyone here, who is in awake hours, able to mark Xubuntu images ready?
[09:49] <Wimpress> We've done some smoke testing, as have community.
[09:49] <Wimpress> Looking good.
[09:53] <Unit193> There should be shortly, but he'll be pretty busy.
[10:04] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 20.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[10:13] <Unit193> jphilips: ↑
[10:16] <jphilips> Unit193: thanks
[10:33] <bluesabre> Wimpress: marked as ready
[10:36] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: maas: split into supported and community. @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=a80f1675ac80b0c4581e270a45bc67985f47de17 (by Dimitri John Ledkov)
[10:41] <Wimpress> bluesabre: Thanks!
[10:48] <bluesabre> knome: any luck with the wallpaper? We're in beta freeze now, which means the uploads are slow to be approved. I'll be doing various fixes and uploads over the weekend (and then we'll hopefully be mostly done for the cycle).
[10:48] <bluesabre> I'll probably also schedule a meeting for once the testing week is over
[10:49] <Unit193> I presume you saw my earlier ping?
[11:28] <jphilips> Unit193: are you okay with list for core - smaller, lighter, faster
[11:28] <jphilips> with this* for
[11:29] <Unit193> It's not really faster, depends on how you define 'lighter' as to the accuracy of that.
[11:30] <jphilips> smaller download, lighter on startup services, and faster as less memory being used
[11:31] <jphilips> had someone on facebook mention they went with core as regular was to heavy for their old laptop
[11:31] <jphilips> https://imgur.com/3q6wrfh.png
[11:31] <bluesabre> Unit193: about thunar, yeah... haven't had a chance to peek at that yet.
[11:34] <Unit193> Like I've mentioned before, the idea is basically a configured Xfce setup with not a lot of extras.
[11:35] <Unit193> Hence, not even a browser or GUI package manager.
[11:36] <jphilips> i'm aware, just trying to create a logo for it and mention its main points below the logo in simple terms
[11:37] <Unit193> 'only what *you* want'? :P
[11:39] <jphilips> if you are happy with that, lets go for it. doing this so you'd also put it on your website :D
[11:41] <jphilips> https://imgur.com/2Bcqm0k.png
[11:42] <Unit193> Not really into slogans really, if it's what someone wants to use great, if not then the full desktop is a great option.  I just don't want to be misleading people.
[11:43] <Unit193> So if that works, great.
[12:08] <jphilips> facebook comment: "Among the winners there are no wp for dark themes :("
[13:17] <ochosi> Unit193: the potfiles are already fixed in master
[13:18] <ochosi> i plan to do a maintenance release soon, i just wanted to give the translators some time to catch up
[13:19] <ochosi> also in terms of that bugreport 1.6.0 should significantly improve the history handlin
[13:19] <ochosi> (before the history was deleted a lot in the running process, e.g. at startup)
[14:41] <jphilips> anyone know how to fix this 'E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).'
[14:41] <jphilips> as running the command doesnt do anything
[14:47] <jphilips> my bad, only used one - rather than 2 :D
[18:02] <jphilips> bluesabre, ochosi: will the release notes be available soon.
[18:04] <bluesabre> Gotta write them.
[18:04] <bluesabre> So, maybe this weekend?
[19:36] <Unit193> jphilips: Sounds like you tried dpkg -i on a deb?  Perhaps try  apt install ./pkg.deb  instead?
[19:36] <Unit193> ochosi: Ah gotcha, I'll wait.  Thanks!  And yep, looked to me like you fixed it. :)
[19:36] <jphilips> Unit193: thanks. i solved it
[19:38] <jphilips> if you see anyone join with a username starting with xu-core-beta, they are here for you :D
[20:53] <ochosi> Unit193: 10 langs have already been updated since the refreshed potfiles has been pushed, so i'd give it until early next week and then do the patch release
[20:53] <ochosi> maybe i should include "make check" in the release script as a trivial self test...
[20:54] <ochosi> i guess i thought make distcheck includes make check or something
[20:57] <Unit193> It doesn't?
[21:02] <ochosi> i guess i would have received an error, no?
[21:02] <ochosi> i mean make check literally fails
[21:02] <ochosi> make distcheck passes
[21:08] <Unit193> Which seems so odd, but yeah..
[21:23] <ochosi> i know..
[21:24] <ochosi> i can test it again, but i already tried it two days ago (or so)
[21:29] <Unit193> Anyway, if you were on focal or whatnot I was going to say I can do the backport for you in a PPA, but I imagine you install from git.
[21:52] <Unit193> albinard: Heya!
[21:53] <Unit193> For suspending, what happens if you run: dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.Suspend boolean:true  ?
[21:53] <albinard> The 04/03 ISO of Xubuntu Core installed on HP p7-1010, AMD64, BIOS, 6GB RAM: installed cleanly, very fast, currently running well with a lot of added software.
[21:54] <albinard> Oops - just saw your note while I was typing.
[21:54] <Unit193> Hah, no problemo
[21:55] <albinard> Okay, I'll see what I can do.  Never probed quite that deep, but I'll give it a shot!
[22:01] <albinard> unit193: it just threw me off line, but suspended instantly.
[22:02] <albinard> Sois that my new Suspend instruction?
[22:04] <Unit193> ...So I just learned this computer does *not* suspend well.  Couldn't even restart X or switch to a TTY. :P
[22:05] <Unit193> albinard: Well that's the dbus call to logind, so it sort of helps to try and show where the issue might be.
[22:07] <albinard> Sorry to hear I got you into a mess. I really have no complaint about a 30 sec wait for Suspend.
[22:08] <albinard> Come to think of it, I'd rather do that than get myself into some other problem trying to fix it!
[22:08] <Unit193> Hah, nah that's fine.  I should see if I can find another system that suspends at least a little better.  A delay in suspend doesn't exactly seem ideal.
[22:08] <Unit193> My netbook does suspend, as long as I don't close the lid! >_<
[22:15] <albinard> Thank you for the help, and thanks for all the ISOs!
[22:15] <Unit193> Sure thing, glad that at least worked.


[00:24] <MTecknology> dbungert: heh ... I thought this would be easier. Where does the hostname from the identity section get written to?
[00:28] <dbungert> MTecknology: that gets funneled through cloud-init and set on first boot.  I do think it would be useful to be able to prompt separately for the hostname, but not something with an easy answer today without also showing the rest of Identity.
[00:28] <MTecknology> I see the defaults I provided in /target/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-installer.cfg, but I don't see the hostname that was provided to the interactive section
[00:30] <MTecknology>  The defaults I provided aren't even valid, and it didn't seem to understand that a password was provided
[00:31] <MTecknology> dbungert: I'm trying to figure out how to apply the hostname via late-commands, since I won't have cloud-init on the first boot. All that I need for that is to be able to /get/ the hostname ... but I can't find the user-provided value
[00:32] <dbungert> MTecknology: I'll simulate that case and get back to you
[00:33] <dbungert> MTecknology: what iso are you using?
[00:33] <MTecknology> This is the minimal version of what I'm trying to accomplish - https://0x0.st/HFeb.txt
[00:34] <MTecknology> 20.04.6 server
[00:41] <dbungert> MTecknology: looks like my above claim is incorrect, the hostname should be written direct to /target/etc/hostname
[00:41] <MTecknology> oh.. I ended up with an empty file
[00:42] <MTecknology> It's like it used what I provided via autoinstall as the actual values rather than defaults
[00:44] <MTecknology> (but it /did/ prompt and allow me to change what was provided)
[00:50] <dbungert> MTecknology: yea, twice in a row with the amd64 20.04.6 ISO and identity interactive I can see it set the hostname in the way you want.  by chance is there anything else in late-commands that might be affecting this?  not sure otherwise
[00:51] <MTecknology> oh ... yeah
[00:51] <MTecknology> my awk command would do that
[00:52] <dbungert> heh, I was thinking of that as pseudocode ;)
[01:07] <MTecknology> dbungert: Yup, you're absolutely correct. It magically does the right thing once marked interactive and the awk command is what broke it.
[01:11] <MTecknology> dbungert: Is there any way to avoid the reboot prompt and/or disk wipe confirmation? That behavior changes once the section is marked interactive.
[01:14] <MTecknology> (and the reboot prompt
[01:14] <MTecknology> )
[01:31] <MTecknology> oh ... it looks like the domain needs to be passed via cloud-init params too
[02:30] <MTecknology> dbungert: So ... "preserve_sources_list" appears to be an option that exists, but I don't see it documnted, and it makes me wonder if that's what created sources.list.curtin.old
[03:07] <MTecknology> patdk-lap: Apparently it's not /just/ order. I can't remove core20 from within the installer
[03:32] <MTecknology> curtin in-target -- snap remove --purge lxd succeeds, but trying to remove core20 afterward fails from within the installer, but running the same snap command (removal order) after a reboot is fine.
[05:41] <MTecknology> setting the domain is proving to be a lot more frustrating than I expected. I assumed I could just pass it as a boot argument or provide it with the hostname, but nope ... neither.
[05:42] <MTecknology> dbungert: Lots of examples show cloud-init using an fqdn for the hostname; is this a bug in autoinstall?
[14:16] <dbungert> MTecknology: bug in autoinstall> more no than yes, early boot network and fetching nocloud data happens without autoinstall being involved.  might be worth a release note though.
[14:18] <MTecknology> dbungert: I meant specifically the fqdn seems like an autoinstall bug.
[14:18] <dbungert> oh, the hostname value in identity?
[14:19] <MTecknology> Yeah, it was complaining about me trying to add a domain to that field, but I see no other place where it could be provided.
[14:20] <MTecknology> I guess as a search value for dns, but that's not the primary interest.
[14:21] <dbungert> AIUI that really should be hostname and not fqdn going to /etc/hosts, so that sounds like a doc bug if examples show otherwise
[14:22] <MTecknology> oh ... but if the fqdn were handed to cloud-init for the firstboot, it would "do the right thing"
[14:22] <MTecknology> er.. was that /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname?  Shouldn't both be in hosts?
[14:22] <MTecknology> (no domain first)
[14:25] <MTecknology> I guess I should go look at cloud-init source and try to figure out what it actually does when an fqdn is provided. Maybe it just breaks that apart into search domain anyway??
[14:25] <dbungert> both hosts and hostname are written to /target/etc by Subiquity and `man hostname` leads me to believe the fqdn version should not be going to /etc/hostname
[14:40] <MTecknology> There should be a distinction between fqdn and hostname, and it seems like the ubuntu installer doesn't support that
[14:40] <MTecknology> I /should/ be able to install a system that winds up with "hostname -f" presenting the fqdn, but I don't see any way do do that other than run a hostnamectl command at the end of installation
[14:42] <MTecknology> I don't think subiquity should be writing that value directly to a file ...
[14:43] <MTecknology> fwiw, hostnamectl seems to "do the right thing" when I hand it the fqdn; it only writes the hostname portion to /etc/hostname.
[15:45] <MTecknology> I'm starting to see this behavior more and more often, where *anything* I do involving disk is absurdly slow/laggy and it doesn't recovery until I restart the computer. It's still "usable," but also very painful. It's almost like swap didn't turn back on and I'm exclusively using swap space.
[15:46] <MTecknology> It's completely fine after a restart and only starts to show up after resuming from sleep.
[21:49] <MTecknology> *sigh* @ "ValueError RSA key format is not supported"
[21:59] <MTecknology> Apparently I'm running into this old issue -> https://github.com/saltstack/salt/issues/40889#issuecomment-297590224
[21:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Issue 40889 in saltstack/salt "salt-master 2016.11.4 crashes on CentOS 7 with error 'RSA key format is not supported'" [Closed]
[22:18] <MTecknology> I'm using virtualenv with py3.8 ... I shouldn't be seeing these weird legacy problems. :/


[12:31] <jbailey> sleep is supposed to be one second...
[12:31] <jbailey> You're thinking usleep.
[12:31] <Bluhd> aha
[12:32] <Bluhd> strangely enough, sleep under different OS's takes milliseconds
[12:32] <Bluhd> I had no idea there was another sleep method
[12:33] <jbailey> It really shouldn't.  I think POSIX.1-2001 says seconds..
[12:33] <Bluhd> hmm
[12:33] <jbailey> apt-get install susv3 for reference. =)
[12:33] <Bluhd> what is the susv3 package?
[12:34] <jbailey> Posix reference.
[12:34] <Bluhd> ok
[12:34] <jbailey> Single Unix Specification version 3
[12:34] <Bluhd> ah
[01:09] <dimach> Can I recompile driver/usb/serial only? I need support for keyspan HW.
[01:20] <BenC> dimach: is that just a module?
[01:24] <dimach> It is part of the kernel. .config can be set to CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN=m . This means it is a loadable module, right? Can I build it as a module?
[01:24] <dimach> I actually need this guy CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_USA19QI
[01:27] <BenC> dimach: Odd, I should enable all those
[01:28] <dimach> You mean I have to build whole kernel to enable support for this?
[01:32] <dimach> I'll be back
[01:33] <BenC> dimach: No, just those modules
[01:33] <BenC> make SUBDIRS=drivers/usb/serial
[01:33] <BenC> err
[01:33] <BenC> make SUBDIRS=drivers/usb/serial modules
[01:53] <dimach> BenC, thanks! I'll try
[02:08] <zul> hey
[02:10] <ajmitch> hi zul
[03:01] <BenC> whew...ubuntu-2.6.git is buildable again
[03:02] <zul> cool
[03:07] <zul> is it bootable?
[03:08] <BenC> so far so good on all my machines
[03:08] <zul> cool
[03:08] <BenC> speaking of which, need to reboot
[10:00] <blufox> how can i contribute to the ubuntu kernel as a developer?
[10:07] <dade`> blufox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide
[10:07] <blufox> dade`, thanks ... i am going through it :)
[01:33] <zul> BenC, ping did it work?
[02:14] <BenC> $ debian/rules printchanges | wc -l
[02:14] <BenC> 1057
[02:14] <BenC> maybe I should disable the upstream changes for the first 2.6.20 :)
[02:53] <zul> hey
[03:10] <kylem> BenC, wow, that's a big changelog :)
[03:14] <zul> :q!
[03:15] <zul> mmm...peanut butter
[03:39] <zul> ummm...yeah https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaProductionKernel
[03:39] <kjetilk_> In https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418 it was said that a fix might make it to an edgy update
[03:40] <kjetilk_> so I wondered if there are news about that?
[03:57] <BenC> kylem: but wont that just make the lockup happen without notification?
[03:57] <BenC> kylem: I show 8 changes from you in my latest pull from your k.o tree...that correct?
[03:58] <BenC> HEAD SHA: 80b8e66e4b7ed12b8918c4440e37fd0bc898bd15
[03:58] <BenC> that's edgy, btw
[03:58] <kylem> hmm.
[03:58] <kylem> 985f5bda111baef06fb69cbf2943d879c4a98227
[03:58] <kylem> that's the top sha1.
[03:59] <kylem> there's 10 commits
[04:01] <mjg59> BenC: You never seem to have committed the patch I sent that adds support for the Apple webcam
[04:01] <BenC> mjg59: It will go into edgy-updates, I didn't have time to add it before release because of kernel freeze
[04:01] <mjg59> BenC: Sorry, to feisty
[04:01] <mjg59> Or am I just missing it in the log?
[04:02] <BenC> mjg59: nope, it's missing...it wasn't in the mactel patches, is it separate?
[04:02] <mjg59> Yeah
[04:02] <BenC> ok, I'll find it
[04:03] <mjg59> Should really try to push that one upstream
[04:03] <BenC> kylem: Well, I pulled from yours on k.o and got no more updates, so hopefully it's all good :)
[04:03] <mjg59> I added the code for the firmware loading
[04:03] <kylem> BenC, what's the top commit?
[04:03] <kylem> the Subject line
[04:04] <BenC> [UBUNTU:netfilter]  Fix thinko in CVE-2006-4572 fix
[04:04] <BenC> that's your top commit
[04:04] <kylem> that's the one.
[04:04] <BenC> ok
[04:04] <kylem> weird.
[04:05] <mjg59> BenC: Oh, I like what you've done with the ubuntu directory
[04:05] <mjg59> BenC: That's for external drivers?
[04:05] <BenC> mj59: Yep...I no touchy touchy the stock code, except in rare cases
[04:05] <mjg59> Nifty
[04:06] <BenC> which only affects the -386 kernel, so probably not important
[04:07] <mjg59> apic basically works nowadays
[04:08] <kjetilk_> BTW, I had this backport wish the other day: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/edgy-backports/+bug/73977
[04:09] <BenC> yeah, I'm going to back out the patch I have been carrying for that
[04:09] <kjetilk_> where I was referred to the kernel maintainers
[04:09] <kjetilk_> I could have sworn I just heard sound from the box, but I'm not sure :-)
[04:10] <BenC> kjetilk_: Don't think backporting alsa for edgy will ever happen
[04:10] <BenC> kjetilk_: we're little more than 4 months away from feisty release, people can wait :)
[04:10] <BenC> too much work just to save a couple months of waiting
[04:10] <kjetilk_> hehe, right :-)
[04:11] <kylem> kjetilk_, support for that is in edgy-updates.
[04:11] <kylem> it's already been backported.
[04:11] <kjetilk_> kylem: oh, cool
[04:13] <kjetilk_> hmmm, so I need to have both that backport and the ipw3945 fix...
[04:16] <kjetilk_> uhm, I couldn't find kernel packages on http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy-backports/allpackages
[04:16] <kjetilk_> isn't that where I was supposed to go...?
[04:47] <BenC> zul: ping
[04:47] <zul> BenC: pong
[04:47] <zul> whats up
[04:48] <BenC> zul: Have you uploaded breezy yet? If not, you can do so whenever you're ready
[04:48] <zul> BenC: will do it tonight when i get home
[04:48] <BenC> zul: cool, thanks
[04:54] <BenC> Sony PS3 (PPC_PS3) [N/y/?]  (NEW)
[04:54] <mjg59> Haha
[04:55] <kylem> yesplease
[04:55] <kylem> ;-)
[04:55] <mjg59> Does it run a standard userland?
[04:55] <mjg59> If so, yeah
[04:55] <BenC> it should run standard userland
[04:56] <BenC> I need to get a PS3 so I can get an ISO for it to run Ubuntu
[04:56] <Mithrandir> BenC: sure, that's the only reason. :-P
[04:57] <BenC> yes, purely technical reasons ;)
[04:57] <zul> riiiight....
[04:59] <BenC> Xbox 360 (X86_XBOX_360) (Exprimental) [M/n/?]  (OLD)
[04:59] <zul> no...out of principal ;)
[04:59] <Mithrandir> it's spelt "experimental"
[04:59] <BenC> it's microsoft, what do you expect :P
[05:00] <BenC> the paper clip guy told me I spelt it right
[05:00] <BenC> not to mention, 360 is PPC too
[05:00] <thom> an X86_XBOX_360
[05:00] <thom> interesting :P
[05:01] <Mithrandir> thom: not to mention the 360 being a module..
[05:01] <BenC> that's the part I was hoping people would notice :)
[05:04] <_MMA_> BenC: joejaxx is starting to look at making his Fluxbuntu project work on a PS3 if your interested maybe I should have him talk to you? I was gonna pitch in some cash to help buy the PS3.
[05:05] <BenC> buying one is no biggie, if I could just find one
[05:06] <BenC> and I don't mean a $2000 one from ebay :)
[05:07] <_MMA_> true.
[05:07] <Mithrandir> they're going to be closer to the .9kUSD mark or so, aren't they?
[05:08] <_MMA_> Im gettin a Wii for the kids and am waiting till the fix the resolution issues on the PS3 before I get one.
[05:08] <_MMA_> Mithrandir: Last I saw one went for 10k (US) On ebay.
[05:09] <_MMA_> sad.
[05:09] <BenC> Mithrandir: like $600 USD retail price, but demand is too high right now
[05:09] <kylem> bloody TSO.
[05:09] <_MMA_> Yea.  Hopefully I get some help with the spec.
[05:16] <zul> wheee..must kill someone
[07:08] <zul> is the git trees on kernel.org up to date?
[07:15] <tiagoboldt> I'm running in a Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz(centrino). What kernel version should I use (386, 686, generic)?
[07:15] <dade`> generic
[07:15] <thom> tiagoboldt: user questions in #ubuntu please
[07:16] <tiagoboldt> ohh, sorry:) Though of it as a kernel specific question, sorry:)
[08:00] <Keybuk> BenC: ping
[08:25] <kylem> zul, where is your git tree that you keep talking about in bugs hiding.
[08:25] <zul> kylem: i sent the patches through the kernel-mailing list
[08:26] <zul> you had the patches in your ubuntu-proposed trees
[08:26] <kylem> no. not all of them.
[08:26] <zul> gimme a sec.
[08:27] <kylem> the ones on laptop.org are not up to date..
[08:28] <zul> http://zulinux.homelinux.net/ubuntu/patches/
[08:29] <zul> you might not want to do that its just tempoary for now
[08:29] <zul> ill have something more permanent shortly
[08:30] <BenC> kylem: There's a tech-board meeting in 30-minutes...if you show up, they may get around to approving your upload-privs
[08:30] <zul> heh..
[08:30] <kylem> BenC, ok.
[08:30] <BenC> kylem: For a carton of smokes, you may persuade me to speak on your behalf :)
[08:31] <kylem> lol. done.
[08:31] <kylem> there. tg3 is my bitch.
[08:34] <infinity> kylem: For another carton of same, you also get my vote.
[08:35] <zul> for some beer you get mine as well
[08:40] <kylem> heh
[10:11] <zul> kylem: i think we are expecting the beer and cigarettes soon or when its most convient..
[10:12] <zul> and yes i have way too much sugar in my system right now
[10:22] <zul> right later..
[11:24] <BenC> this is great...I have two machines that 2.6.20 doesn't boot on
[11:33] <BenC> and unfortunately that includes a P4 and the Xeon box, so it's not like their ignorable
[11:42] <lifeless> doh