[00:03] <ubuntu> It didn't
[00:03] <ubuntu> work
[00:04] <vzduch> get a multiverse repo and 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' (if the name wasn't changed)
[00:05] <vzduch> !sourceomatic
[00:05] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[00:05] <ubuntu> ...?
[00:08] <rickey> hey my BMPx has crashed it was working great yesterday, did a gusty update  and now it,s not working
[00:08] <rickey>  anyone elas exsperanceing this
[00:10] <helloyo> ah, its good to be back on kubuntu, i can't stand gnome anymore
[00:11] <taylan> how to install jre to kubuntu gutsy
[00:11] <helloyo> taylan: you want to install sun-java6-jre ande sun-java6-plugin
[00:11] <sub[t]rnl> !java | taylan
[00:11] <ubotu> taylan: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[00:11] <rickey> has anyone on gusty had any bmpx crashes
[00:13] <shadowhywind> hay all having a bit of an issue with my printer, when i try to print it will either print in all color or all in black. In the printing settings under driver settings -> Printout mode, I can control it., I am wondering how can i set it to normal - autoselect
[00:14] <angelo> enter
[00:15] <angelo> hola
[00:16] <ubuntu> !sourceomatic
[00:16] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[00:17] <MilesG> i compiled conky yesterday, and i set up .conkyrc to show me some information on my swap partition..is it bad that my laptop never uses swap?
[00:17] <ardchoille> Does the Seveas repo not have any packages for Gutsy?
[00:17] <stdin> ardchoille: no, we have to re
[00:17] <stdin> *recommend medibuntu
[00:17] <ubuntu>  could I open adobe flash with 'Ark' then install it with 'Adept' into firefox?
[00:18] <stdin> or whatever it is :p
[00:18] <ardchoille> stdin: By who's authority? I quite liked the Seveas repo.
[00:18] <ubuntu>  could I open adobe flash with 'Ark' then install it with 'Adept' into firefox?
[00:18] <stdin> MilesG: no, it's not a bad thing. it will only use swap when needed
[00:18] <ardchoille> !medibuntu
[00:18] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:18] <stdin> ardchoille: well, there is no gutsy repo for Seveas
[00:19] <stdin> see !dvd
[00:19] <stdin> !dvd
[00:19] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:19] <ubuntu> !flash
[00:19] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[00:21] <needles> stdin, that reboot didnt work earlier
[00:23] <taylan> thx for java and flash help. I love you guys
[00:23] <taylan> best regards
[00:23] <lovre> i have 4 partitions in my 'Storage media' folder. Now, i know i made 2 ntfs and 2 ext3. How do i know which is which?
[00:24] <epimeth> !kde4
[00:24] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[00:24] <helloyo> lovre, in a terminal try "cat /etc/fstab"
[00:24] <taylan> make disk labels with qpart
[00:24] <taylan> lovre make disk labels with qpart
[00:26] <ardchoille> Anyone else getting errors on updating sources?
[00:27] <ardchoille> Isn't this the url for the archives?  http://archive.ubuntu.com/
[00:28] <ardchoille> There are German pages in what looks like a wordpress site there
[00:28] <LjL> ardchoille: here they're the archives. check your dns i guess :)
[00:30] <lovre> why cant i create new folder or anything inside my ext3 partition? I can do this in every other partition
[00:31] <helloyo> lovre: you probably don't have write permissions
[00:31] <edenbeast> lovre: are you getting an error, are the permissions of your mount point set so that you're allowed to create a folder?
[00:31] <taylan> may I use Qparted when kubuntu(gutsy) running I want to alter native partition
[00:32] <edenbeast> lovre when you type 'mount' in a console do you see (rw) behind the partition ?
[00:32] <iobelix> hi, i am trying kde, when i switch desktops windows from other desktops are displayed on my taskbar. i tried finding a configuration parameter in taskbar and compiz settings but to no avail. can anybody suggest something please?
[00:32] <edenbeast> taylan do you mean on the partition your live system is using? :-/
[00:33] <lovre> edenbeast: yes i see rw
[00:33] <edenbeast> that'd be somewhat dangerous I think
[00:33] <taylan> edenbast not live system just I want another partition
[00:33] <edenbeast> lovre you'll see something like /dev/hdaX on <directory>  could you do ls -ld <directory> to see what it's permissions are?
[00:35] <edenbeast> taylan on certain filesystems that would work (resizing it) I believe, better check for your target filesystem though :-)
[00:36] <edenbeast> iobelix right click on your panel, go to configure panel and there to task-bar, uncheck show windows from all desktops
[00:37] <taylan> thx
[00:37] <ardchoille> LjL: I don't think it's my dns. And   http://packages.medibuntu.org/  looks bad too.
[00:37] <edenbeast> iobelix: if it's only for compiz it may not be possible though, compiz only works with 1 real desktop and lots of virtual planes
[00:37] <lovre> edenbeast: i see /dev/sdaX, is that same?
[00:37] <edenbeast> taylan I've oly use parted once though and never on something I couldn't stand to lose
[00:37] <LjL> ardchoille: well then what is it? it works for me
[00:37] <edenbeast> lovre yes
[00:38] <edenbeast> so back up first :P
[00:38] <FunnyLookinHat> Question:  If I am running Gnome (Ubuntu) and want to test KDE4, do I have to install kubuntu-desktop before I install the KDE4 testing packages?  or can I just install the KDE4 testing packages?
[00:38] <edenbeast> medibuntu is slow for me, everything else works
[00:38] <edenbeast> but I'm on the .be mirror
[00:39] <iobelix> edenbeast: yes i have tried that but there is no such option as i have only one desktop under "configure desktops". it is under compiz where i have 4 horizontal desktops. if i keep 4 real desktops then 16 desktops are shown on the workplace switcher
[00:39] <iobelix> this has not been a problem for me in gnome though. i use compiz there too.
[00:40] <edenbeast> iobelix you need to have 1 real desktop under kde and then you can make as much horizontal desktops as you want, it won't solve the taskbar thing I'm afraid though :-/
[00:40] <iobelix> honestly, to me the use of having multiple desktops is greatly reduced if the taskbar shows windows from all desktops
[00:40] <iobelix> oh.
[00:40] <iobelix> wow that is a bummer
[00:40] <edenbeast> I used beryl before and I believe it was a possibility there, but I honestly don't know if beryl is even still usable on gutsy :-(
[00:40] <lovre> edenbeast: it says: "drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-10-24 01:24 /media/sda3"
[00:41] <iobelix> no i don't think it is.
[00:41] <edenbeast> lovre that's the problem, that partition is owned by root and root alone, so only root can write to it :-)
[00:41] <needles> Jucato, I think I fubar'd my system last night
[00:41] <iobelix> so it is not possible to work with 4 real desktops and have just one horizontal desktop?
[00:42] <edenbeast> lovre you'll need to alter the ownership of the mountpoint to something usable for you, like lovre:lovre for instance, it depends a bit on who will be using the partition, if it's just you then sudo chown -R lovre:lovre <directory> will do
[00:42] <lovre> edenbeast: what i want to do is to use that partition normally to store data, music and other stuff
[00:42] <edenbeast> ibelix that'll screw with the kicker desktop pager
[00:42] <earl_> hey what is the official channel of compiz?
[00:43] <earl_> or, for compiz support i guess
[00:43] <shadowhywind> earl it is compiz-fusion
[00:43] <earl_> thanks
[00:43] <iobelix> do you think there is a need to file a bug for this?
[00:43] <lovre> edenbeast: if i would like to set my home directory to another partition, would it be possible to do so now? (i forgot during the installation)
[00:43] <edenbeast> it's a known issue
[00:45] <edenbeast> lovre it's always possible
[00:45] <lovre> edenbeast: but is it messy?
[00:46] <edenbeast> lovre yes and no, you'll need to copy your home directory to the new partition, then it's best to drop to a tty, rename your old home dir in case you forgot to copy something, write a mount rule in fstab, mount the new home and you can login again
[00:46] <edenbeast> if it checks out fine afterwards you an delete the old home directory
[00:47] <lovre> edenbeast: ill try that some other time, too much problems for now.
[00:48] <Minataku> Anyone seen Dr_Willis around?
[00:49] <sub[t]rnl> not today Minataku
[00:50] <Minataku> :\
[00:50] <lovre> now, the big problem. Is it hard to install drivers for my nVidia 7900GS graphics card?
[00:50] <hydrogen> no.
[00:50] <hydrogen> if you use gutsy they may have been installed already
[00:50] <hydrogen> if not, just run restricted-manager-kde
[00:51] <lovre> it says NVIDIA - not in use
[00:51] <lovre> should i check it?
[00:51] <hydrogen> yes
[00:51] <diomedes> man talk about painful, took ages to get dual head to work on my laptop in the end I rewrote the xorg.conf from scratch
[00:51] <lovre> cross thumbs
[00:51] <lovre> restart needed
[00:51] <lovre> brb
[00:55] <lovre> done
[00:55] <lovre> NIIICE
[00:56] <lovre> everything is faster now :D
[00:56] <lovre> any1 here
[00:58] <Alethes> I managed to work around it this time, but is there a reason the adept upgrade would always flake out when it came to actually installing packages?
[00:59] <Alethes> it either breaks packages or just sits there and does nothing
[01:00] <hydrogen> lovre: good :)
[01:01] <wastedfluid> Hi.  one quick question; a friend sent me a .mp4 file, a trailer to a movie... and there's like, green shadows.. or a lot of green pixels.. in the picture.  they fade in + out.. I'm playing it with Kaffeine.  Can anyone point me in a certain direction?
[01:03] <lovre> now when i have installed my 7900GS, is there a way to make my kde look cool, like transparency, widgets and stuff?
[01:03] <hydrogen> yes
[01:03] <angasule> lovre: are you running gutsy?
[01:03] <hydrogen> compiz
[01:03] <hydrogen> !compiz
[01:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:03] <angasule> hydrogen: I thought some eyecandy was included in the install disk?
[01:04] <lovre> angasule: yes, i am
[01:04] <diomedes> c
[01:05] <angasule> lovre: that guide is for feisty, so I would advise against reading it, I haven't installed gutsy yet but I think in the Settings you can activate all the eye candy
[01:05] <angasule> !eye-candy
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eye-candy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <Alethes> hey hydrogen, are you using compiz now?
[01:05] <angasule> !eyecandy
[01:05] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[01:05] <hydrogen> Alethes: not at the moment
[01:05] <Alethes> does it integrate decently with kde?
[01:06] <hydrogen> yes
[01:06] <Alethes> I tried it at work on a mandriva 2008 box and I had to stop 'cause I missed little things like kwin hotkeys that I was used to, or just being able to drag windows in the pager or send a window to a different desktop
[01:06] <hydrogen> why is there a kubuntu-art site?
[01:06] <hydrogen> it just screams NIH
[01:06] <Alethes> not to mention that the cube gave me a headache haha
[01:06] <helloyo> NIH?
[01:07] <hydrogen> not invented here
[01:07] <helloyo> ah
[01:07] <hydrogen> i.e.
[01:07] <hydrogen> what exactly is kubuntu specific about the stuff on that site?
[01:07] <hydrogen> its all kde themes
[01:07] <Alethes> hehe
[01:10] <lovre> is there any application that gives me desktop widgets?
[01:10] <angasule> lovre: umh, I know superkaramba can be used for that, I don't know if something newer is available
[01:11] <lovre> i tried installing superkaramba on feisty, had some problems
[01:11] <hellhound> does anyone know how to get Kopete Desklist Plugin to work?  I am getting "error: Could not find Kopete header files"
[01:12] <lovre> how do i make my windows transparent?
[01:12] <lovre> bbaib
[01:13] <lovre> bbiab
[01:14] <NickPresta> lovre, using KDE?
[01:16] <koolatron> hi all - I'm having issues with sound since installing Gutsy, and I can't find any solutions that seem to work on the forums
[01:17] <crackhead_25_> sub[t]rnl: hey sorry i missed your message.. what was your recommendation about not being able to see the firewire extern. hd?
[01:18] <diomedes> is there a way to get dolphin to remember network creds? getting sick of having to give my passwrd every time I change directory
[01:19] <Dragnslcr> koolatron- what sound card/chipset?
[01:22] <koolatron> Dragnslcr: NVidia MCP55
[01:22] <koolatron> http://pastebin.com/m2252c7c3
[01:22] <koolatron> output of aplay -l
[01:23] <koolatron> I'm in the audio group, the sound is not muted, the speakers are plugged in (all checked)
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> koolatron- I have the same chipset, and my problem was that the snd-hda-intel module is in a different package in 7.10
[01:26] <koolatron> what'd you do?
[01:26] <Dragnslcr> Try modprobe -l snd-hda*
[01:26] <Dragnslcr> See if that lists snd-hda-intel
[01:27] <koolatron> i see snd_hda_intel, with underscores
[01:27] <koolatron> it's loaded
[01:27] <Dragnslcr> I dunno then. Once I got that module installed and loaded, everything came back for me
[01:27] <koolatron> http://pastebin.com/d3d628ddd
[01:28] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, looks good to me
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> I think you have a different problem than I did
[01:29] <koolatron> i'll try purging and reinstalling
[01:30] <koolatron> brb
[01:32] <oslo> hi, a friend of mine like to use his printer: BROTHER FAX 8350P but it seems it doen't supported...
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> !printing
[01:32] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[01:33] <hydrogen> brother has their own drivers for linux on their site
[01:34] <hydrogen> that work
[01:34] <hydrogen> i don't think they are packaged in ubuntu for licensing reasons
[01:34] <koolatron> no dice, still no sound
[01:34] <hydrogen> but i could be wrong
[01:38] <koolatron> rebuilding alsa with module-assistant
[01:39] <lovre> im back
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> yay! new ATI drivers!
[01:39] <lovre> still wondering about all those fancy stuff i heard, 3D desktop, transparency etc....?
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> w00t!
[01:41] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: compiz is enabled by default in ubuntu 7.10 (gnome), not kubuntu 7.10 (kde)
[01:41] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | lovre
[01:41] <ubotu> lovre: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:41] <lovre> hmm, why do i need instructions if its enabled by default in kubuntu 7.10?
[01:42] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: how do i use it? and where do i find it in my kubuntu 7.10*
[01:43] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: it is NOT enabled by default in K(notice the K)ubuntu (ie "ubuntu with KDE"); it IS enabled by default with ubuntu ("ie ubuntu with GNOME")
[01:44] <inaety> how can i locally watch FLV?
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> inaety: mplayer? vlc?
[01:44] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: i see. How do i enable it in kubuntu?
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> !info youtube-dl | inaety
[01:44] <ubotu> inaety: youtube-dl: download videos from youtube.com. In component universe, is extra. Version 2007.08.24-1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: yes i sent instructions for that
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | lovre
[01:44] <ubotu> lovre: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:44] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: ok, thank you
[01:44] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: you turn on something called 'compiz-fusion'
[01:45] <inaety> WaltzingAlong: i dont want to download youtube videos, i already have the FLV file...but when i try to convert with ffmpeg or something it says its an unknown format but idk what package to get
[01:45] <WaltzingAlong> !info vlc | inaety
[01:45] <ubotu> inaety: vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 1134 kB, installed size 3228 kB
[01:45] <WaltzingAlong> !info mplayer | inaety
[01:45] <ubotu> inaety: mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13 (gutsy), package size 3775 kB, installed size 9428 kB
[01:46] <WaltzingAlong> !flv
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <lovre> by the way, how do i make firefox open every link instead of konqueror? I tried set as default didnt work
[01:46] <oslo> WaltzingAlong & hydrogen > his seems not supported, FAX 8350P
[01:46] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: kmenu/system settings/default applications/   set it there
[01:47] <WaltzingAlong> seems brother fax 8350P does not support gnu/linux ?
[01:48] <oslo> WaltzingAlong> seems linux doesnt support brother fax 8350P yeah
[01:48] <iobelix> how does one set default programs in kde?
[01:48] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: thank you again
[01:49] <WaltzingAlong> oslo: seems the other way around but alright
[01:49] <coteyr> ok so i have a question. My mouse pad key is bound to XF86Launch0 which is fine except it launches KDE Hellp Center How can I remove this assioation?
[01:49] <oslo> WaltzingAlong> sorry but my english isn't far good... do you think tere is way to use it on linux ??
[01:50] <oslo> *there
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> coteyr: try system settings->keyboard and mouse->keyboard shortcuts->application shortcuts
[01:50] <jtmoney> oslo: brother has GREAT linux support... check out their web site
[01:50] <iobelix> for example, how would i set my default browser to firefox so it does not keep opening konqueror when i click a link
[01:51] <oslo> jtmoney> i do
[01:52] <oslo> i did i mean
[01:52] <WaltzingAlong> oslo: does brother provide a driver for use with this printer on gnu/linux? does brother provide documentation the devices' specifications so others can write such a driver? check www.brother.com (i think that is the site)
[01:52] <coteyr> nosrednaekim first place I looked nothign three
[01:52] <coteyr> there*
[01:52] <WaltzingAlong> iobelix:  kmenu/system settings/default applications/   set it there
[01:52] <coteyr> none of the keys are there
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> coteyr: oh. ok
[01:52] <coteyr> none like XF86Launch#
[01:52] <coteyr> which is a shame because I want to change some of thoes too
[01:53] <coteyr> but there not there
[01:53] <jerbear> hi, is it better to install kubuntu straight from the cd or is it the same as just doing "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" from ubuntu?
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> hmmm odd.
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> jerbear: the second will work just fine if you already have ubuntu loaded
[01:54] <jerbear> k... how is kubuntu gutsy... does it work ok?
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> jerbear: works fine for me
[01:54] <coteyr> also another minor bug/issues/bad config thing. I am used to previews in konqueror of movie files. From what I can find on google it should work in dolphin too but I can't see them. I can watch the movies fine though in both xine and kaffine
[01:54] <coteyr> jerbear;  I like it I only have two sissues
[01:55] <coteyr> and there minor and probably my  fault
[01:55] <jerbear> how do i switch login screens if i'm installing from ubuntu? from gdm to kdm
[01:55] <lovre> i have installed compiz, and i cant get desktop to change as cube. In fact, i cant change it at all
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> jerbear: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[01:55] <jerbear> thanks
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> lovre: run "compiz --replace"
[01:55] <jerbear> does anyone use nx with kubuntu?
[01:55] <lovre> i did
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> lovre: nothing
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> ?
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> run it from a konsole
[01:56] <lovre> it works
[01:56] <lovre> but
[01:56] <lovre> i dont know how to do the 3D desktop rotation
[01:56] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: yes
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> lovre: ah... "ctrl+alt+right arrow"
[01:56] <coteyr> lovre drag something near the edge of the screen
[01:56] <jerbear> WaltzingAlong: nx free edition or freenx?
[01:56] <lovre> it doesnt work :(
[01:56] <lovre> maybe i need to restart x?
[01:57] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: lately more nomachine's nx
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> lovre: maybe you don't have that enabled...
[01:57] <iobelix> thank you
[01:57] <lovre> is it Desktop CubE?
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> lovre: do you have wigly windows or anything different?
[01:57] <jerbear> WaltzingAlong: does it work ok with kubuntu... i'm having all sorts of problems under gnome
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> lovre: yeah
[01:57] <iobelix> i actually found it in "component chooser"
[01:57] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: i have it working well, sure
[01:57] <lovre> windows are different, they open funny, that all
[01:57] <lovre> desktop cube enabled but not working
[01:57] <iobelix> also, what plug in do i need in order to get DivX streaming?
[01:57] <staceyb> what is the cd command in konsole?  like what would I type to get into my home directory?
[01:57] <lovre> maybe restart?
[01:57] <jerbear> WaltzingAlong: are you using the feisty debs from nomachine?
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> lovre: ok,did you get the compizconfig-settings-manager?
[01:57] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: just having compiz running does not mean you have enabled all of the plugins you see in videos
[01:58] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: i know
[01:58] <jerbear> how does firefox look in kubuntu?
[01:58] <muchanic> staceyb: cd ~
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> lovre: did you enable "rotate cube"?
[01:59] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: yes i am using the .deb files from nomachine
[01:59] <lovre> ok, now it works
[01:59] <pizzicato> !fglrx
[01:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:00] <WaltzingAlong> nosrednaekim: oh, i see, needed to enable it
[02:00] <jerbear> gnome has really left a bad taste in my mouth with gutsy... the thought of something better is exciting :)
[02:00] <WaltzingAlong> first reaction: it is broken; second reaction: i broke it
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> lovre: sweet
[02:00] <lovre> nosrednaekim: i dont get this. I have 4 desktops, but it shows me i got 8, and i can shuffle trough only 2
[02:00] <lovre> :S
[02:01] <lovre> nosrednaekim: this is niiiiiiice
[02:01] <staceyb> is there nyway I can view hidden folders? I'm trying to start a program I installed through WINE?
[02:01] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: sure. use the compiz settings manager tool to modify the number of desktops
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> lovre: in ccsm general->desktop size->horizontal desktop size
[02:02] <iobelix> what plugin do i need in order to get DivX streaming?
[02:02] <WaltzingAlong> !info mozilla-mplayer
[02:02] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.40-5ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 505 kB, installed size 1760 kB
[02:02] <WaltzingAlong> staceyb: in konqueror? view/show hidden files; otherwise just type the name in the url such as /home/staceyb/.wine then navigate from there
[02:02] <jerbear> how does firefox look in kubuntu?
[02:02] <staceyb> .wine
[02:02] <staceyb> awesome thanks
[02:03] <WaltzingAlong> jerbear: how you tell it to look
[02:03] <jerbear> WaltzingAlong: i don't understand
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> jerbear: you can theme it to match your qt theme
[02:03] <jerbear> oh ok
[02:05] <lovre> nosrednaekim: i dont understand this!!
[02:05] <lovre> nosrednaekim: what is this size and number of desktops?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> lovre: what>
[02:05] <lovre> nosrednaekim: how do i set this to have 4 normal desktops on a cube?
[02:05] <WaltzingAlong> lovre: for compiz-fusion specific questions you could ask in #compiz-fusion
[02:05] <kroynos> does anybody know about a complete from start to finish on compiz for kubuntu.. i am confused on how to set it up..
[02:05] <lovre> WaltzingAlong: thank you
[02:06] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | kroynos, other than this?
[02:06] <ubotu> kroynos, other than this?: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:07] <kroynos> is that for Kubuntu 7.10 or can i use feisty for 7.10?
[02:07] <kubuntunewbie> i have a couple questions. first off is it possible to make my windows partitions read-only to linux? and second is there a good web-design program for linux?
[02:07] <WaltzingAlong> kroynos: you do not need to add the repository to gutsy. read the page. but the part about which packages to install is relevant
[02:08] <kroynos> aight i give that a shot..
[02:08] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: yes !ntfs and !ntfs-3g  and as for web design, meaning html editor? bluefish and such though a website could be drawn out in the gimp as well
[02:09] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: what do you mean by !ntfs and !ntfs-3g?
[02:09] <WaltzingAlong> !ntfs-3g | kubuntunewbie
[02:09] <ubotu> kubuntunewbie: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:10] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: but for some reason without me even mounting them they were mounted for both read & write. is that standard with 7.10?
[02:11] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: yes i think so.
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> kubuntunewbie: yeah
[02:11] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: but you should be able to change that so they are readonly
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> kubuntunewbie: go into system settings->advanced->disks and filesystems
[02:11] <dennister> that's a new feature of gutsy then, as ntfs-3g was not standard with feisty
[02:12] <dennister> easy, but not standard
[02:12] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: maybe you can change them through kmenu/system settings/advanced/disk and filesystems
[02:12] <kubuntunewbie> nosrednaekim: WaltzingAlong going to try that now, ty
[02:16] <kubuntunewbie> nosrednaekim: WaltzingAlong: that worked great, thanks so much, now i can rest easily and not worry about killing winblows.
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:16] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: would its death not be celebrated?
[02:17] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: um sort of, i do some web-design on the side and i am very new to linux
[02:17] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: so frontpage is what i use for my web design currently
[02:17] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: happen to know a good editor for linux?
[02:17] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: osalt.com search for frontpage
[02:17] <dwidmann> front page, I pity you
[02:17] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: try quanta+
[02:17] <dwidmann> !info quanta
[02:17] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 2385 kB, installed size 5744 kB
[02:17] <WaltzingAlong> !html
[02:17] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build web pages.  Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and KompoZer(Nvu).  For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com/
[02:18] <Phil7> Hey guys...I've been trying to install Kubuntu using the Wubi Alpha build and I've been running into some problems
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: ok...
[02:19] <lovre> are there any widgets in compiz i could enable?
[02:19] <Phil7> I can get Wubi to work ont he windows side of things, but when I reboot to actually install I get blackscreened
[02:19] <moparisthebest> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy, amd64 arch, and even though knetwork manager says I am connected to the network I can't access the network at all
[02:20] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: I wonder if it's that one knetworkmanager bug, can you perhaps try connecting *without* using knetworkmanager?
[02:20] <dwidmann> (that is, kill knetworkmanager, set up the connection some other way)
[02:20] <moparisthebest> like remove it and reboot dwidmann ?
[02:21] <moparisthebest> cant hurt I guess
[02:21] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: that would work, so long as you have the package cached for easy reinstallation without network access.
[02:21] <moparisthebest> it won't remove it unless I run apt-get clean right?
[02:21] <moparisthebest> the actual package that is
[02:21] <dwidmann> Wrong.
[02:21] <dwidmann> Right
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: possibly your graphics card, etc are unsupported..does the liveCD boot fine?
[02:22] <crazy_bus> I just installed a dvb-t pci card.  Kaffeine detects it and seems to set it up.  However when it searches for stations it detects nothing.  Why is this?
[02:22] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: i think it was you who had mentioned to me something about konqueror having a search feature to search for new packages? how do i get to it?
[02:22] <unclekev> .
[02:22] <dwidmann> It won't remove the cached package unless you apt-get clean, or if you have certain things set up in your apt prefs, then agiank you'd know about those.
[02:22] <Phil7> No the live CD doesn't...I think my card is unsupported...I have a 8800GTS.
[02:23] <rance> can someone help me figure out why a 7.10 kubuntu install (from 7.10 cd) keeps giving me the version upgrade tool trying to upgrade my box to 7.10?
[02:23] <WaltzingAlong> rance: known issue, thanks
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: and what version are you trying to install?
[02:23] <Phil7> 7.10
[02:23] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: i do not recall that nor can i think just now of what that may meant
[02:23] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: might not have been you.
[02:23] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[02:24] <moparisthebest> rance, you mean you already have 7.10 but it still says version upgrade availible?
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: hmm should be supported
[02:25] <Phil7> Someone suggested my monitor wasn't supporting the refresh rate, but I'm not sure how to change that.
[02:25] <rance> moparisthebest: yes thats what I mean, I installed 7.10 from the cd, but every time I do a package update I have to go through the version update wizard, that finally ends telling me no update is available
[02:26] <rance> aparantly its a known issue, I thought it was just me
[02:26] <diomedes> hmm my sound has disappeared
[02:26] <Phil7> Should I try to install it without using Wubi?
[02:26] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: i can only find quanta no quanta+ what repos does it run off of?
[02:27] <moparisthebest> I upgraded and it shows it for me as well rance
[02:27] <diomedes> was working fine when it first installed but gone now
[02:28] <rance> diomedes: I have to reselect my sound subsystem and unmute channels from time to time
[02:28] <rance> not sure why
[02:30] <WaltzingAlong> you have 7.10 but adept manager keeps reporting that an upgrade is available then asks to download 7.10 again? this issue is known and fixed in builds of adept but you need (currently) to enable gutsy-proposed (or adept/manage repositories/updates/pre-release updates but this only works if software-properties-kde is installed)
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> Phil7: might be best
[02:31] <diomedes> rance yeah in the mixer the volume was way way down
[02:35] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi > WaltzingAlong
[02:36] <Phil7> Well I'm going to see if I can get install to work
[02:37] <rance> its ok, its not that big a deal, I can wait till the adept update makes it public
[02:37] <Phil7> Bye everyone, thanks for the help.
[02:38] <kubuntunewbie> !bz2
[02:38] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[02:38] <kubuntunewbie> ubotu: thanks, i love u.
[02:38] <kubuntunewbie> lol
[02:40] <WaltzingAlong> rance: it is public, but still in gutsy-proposed (prerelease)
[02:40] <moparisthebest> dwidmann, this makes no sense apt-get remove knetworkmanager
[02:40] <moparisthebest> it removed it fine
[02:40] <moparisthebest> I restarted
[02:40] <moparisthebest> and knetworkmanager is still there :P
[02:41] <dwidmann> :s
[02:41] <dwidmann> Weird
[02:41] <moparisthebest> I removed network-manager-kde as well
[02:41] <moparisthebest> but knetworkmanager still starts up
[02:41] <dwidmann> Very, very weird
[02:41] <moparisthebest> I installed it through adept in feisty
[02:41] <BigPick> It just doesn't want to die.
[02:42] <dwidmann> It really, really should have been the network-manager-kde package
[02:43] <dwidmann> Perhaps just closing knetworkmanager, and running "sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; sleep 5; sudo /etc/init.d/networking start" will work.
[02:43] <jarn> Should we remove the source for gutsy-proposed once we finish upgrading?
[02:43] <moparisthebest> ok, Im rebooting now so Ill see what happens
[02:43] <kubuntunewbie> !konsole
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <WaltzingAlong> jarn: you could. sure
[02:43] <WaltzingAlong> !info konsole
[02:43] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 2260 kB
[02:44] <jarn> WaltzingAlong: Should I, though?
[02:44] <WaltzingAlong> sure
[02:44] <kubuntunewbie> waltz can u tell me the change directory commands and the view directory command?
[02:44] <LoneShadow> !codecs
[02:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:44] <dwidmann> jarn: probably should, should probably also add the -security, -updates, and -backports repositories.
[02:44] <jerbear> hi, where are the power management settings in kubuntu?
[02:45] <jarn> !source-o-matic
[02:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:45] <dwidmann> jerbear: in a program called guidance
[02:45] <jarn> dwidmann: Has source-o-matic been updated for gutsy?
[02:45] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntunewbie: cd <dir>; ls; (though i find ls -lh helpful too)
[02:45] <WaltzingAlong> jarn: yeah
[02:45] <dwidmann> jerbear: if you h ave a laptop it'll be in the systray as the battery icon
[02:46] <dwidmann> jarn: dunno
[02:46] <jarn> WaltzingAlong: Nifty. thanks.
[02:46] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: whats the -lh do?
[02:46] <dwidmann> jarn: I could just pastebin you mine if you'd like
[02:46] <Dagon> I am new to Kubuntu. Where do I find synaptic and how do I make add/remove program to move faster
[02:46] <WaltzingAlong> long and with human readable sizes
[02:46] <jerbear> dwidmann: i see the icon, i don't see where to get to the settings, though
[02:46] <WaltzingAlong> Dagon: adept manager is the 'synatpic' of kubuntu
[02:46] <moparisthebest> Dagon, kubuntu's replacement for synaptic is adept manager
[02:46] <kubuntunewbie> is there a way to change to the dir without typing the entire patn name?
[02:46] <jerbear> i'm trying to make it so that the laptop suspends when i close the lid
[02:46] <dwidmann> jerbear: just click on the icon
[02:47] <moparisthebest> you can install synaptic through that if you prefer it though Dagon
[02:47] <jerbear> oh... oops :)
[02:47] <jerbear> brb
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> hopefully ;)
[02:48] <jarn> dwidmann: Sure, that would be nifty, thanks. :)
[02:48] <muchanic> kubuntunewbie: tab completion ftw
[02:48] <dwidmann> jarn: just a sec then
[02:48] <lovre> where can i get emerald themes for download
[02:48] <moparisthebest> works now dwidmann, even though I am entirely confused :P
[02:48] <moparisthebest> thanks for the suggestion
[02:52] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: yeah, it's related to an odd bug, I'll see if I can't look up the solution if there was one, I know it was on the kubuntu forums
[02:52] <miles_> is anyone in here experienced with moto4lin?
[02:53] <MilesG> edenbeast: are you still in here?
[02:53] <dwidmann> jarn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41879/
[02:53] <moparisthebest> I never really used knetworkmanager anyhow, it doesn't matter really
[02:53] <edenbeast> MilesG I don't have a motorola phone yet, sorry :-)
[02:53] <jarn> dwidmann: Thanks, I"ll look at it once I have a working internet browser. :P
[02:53] <dwidmann> jarn: how'd you break 'em?
[02:54] <jarn> dwidmann: Broke in the update process.
[02:54] <jarn> dwidmann: Konqueror did, anyway.
[02:54] <jarn> dwidmann: Firefox didn't seem to want to upgrade at the same time I was upgrading the rest so I just uninstalled that and plan on reinstalling it once the rest of the upgrade finish.
[02:55] <dwidmann> Now I'm just downright impatient. I ordered myself gutsy DVDs yesterday ... now I have to wait for them to get here. Oh well, could have been worse, I could have tried to download the ISOs ...
[02:56] <jarn> You could have tried the net install and gotten screwed.
[02:56] <jarn> I'm hoping everything comes out alright.
[02:57] <dwidmann> jarn: I've been upgrading my laptop to it since gutsy tribe 5, but I've got a stack of reasons to reinstall when I get my hands on the DVD
[02:57] <jarn> dwidmann: How much are the DVDs?
[02:58] <dwidmann> Umm, I think they were $5.95 each + shipping, so I got one of the x86 and one of the x86_64 ... and I'll just burn copies from there as neede.d
[02:58] <jarn> Ah.
[02:59] <kubuntunewbie> !info makefile
[02:59] <ubotu> Package makefile does not exist in gutsy
[02:59] <kubuntunewbie> could someone please tell me the extension of a makefile so i can find it
[03:00] <jarn> kubuntunewbie: They don't have one, I don't think.
[03:00] <kubuntunewbie> jarn: how is your name green?
[03:00] <jarn> kubuntunewbie: Because I'm a god. :)
[03:00] <jarn> kubuntunewbie: Actually, I have no idea why my name shows up as green to you.
[03:01] <xevious> kubuntunewbie: Konversation auto-colors nicks so you can easily tell who says what
[03:01] <jarn> Woah, that's weird, it doesn't do that for me - did I turn that feature off and forget?
[03:01] <jarn> lol
[03:02] <xevious> jarn: Settings -> Configure Konversation, Interface -> Colors, ensure "Colored Nicks" is checked
[03:03] <Alethes> any idea why I get "Error: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0" when I use compiz --replace?
[03:04] <jarn> xevious: I don't want it, I just don't recall turning it off.
[03:04] <dwidmann> jarn: http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/linux/kubuntu
[03:04] <jtmoney> i don't get it... is there anyway to install mythtv using mythbuntu (added to my kubuntu installation) without xfce being installed?
[03:05] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: im not doing well with installing quanta
[03:05] <kubuntunewbie> dwid i downloaded it and am reading the install instructions
[03:05] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: do tell, what's going wrong?
[03:05] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: but i cant 'make' it
[03:05] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: all you should need to do is "sudo apt-get install quanta"
[03:05] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: lets see if that works
[03:06] <WaltzingAlong> jtmoney: maybe mythbuntu package requires xfce?
[03:06] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: you don't need to compile it, it's in the ubuntu repositories, precompiled.
[03:06] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: oh god, that makes things easy!
[03:06] <kubuntunewbie> dwidmann: i will learn how to do it the hard way later. thanks.
[03:06] <xevious> kubuntunewbie: or K Menu -> Add/Remove Programs then search for it -- does the same thing as sudo apt-get install quanta, which i suppose is much more direct than a bunch of clicking
[03:07] <hydrogen> not to mention add/remove programs didn't show all programs
[03:07] <hydrogen> last time i checked
[03:07] <xevious> well Adept Manager does
[03:07] <jarn> I'm convinced that apt-get upgrade should have a progress bar. -.-
[03:07] <dwidmann> xevious: which is exactly why I said that rather than typing out long winded instructions of how to get there in the gui ...
[03:07] <xevious> kubuntunewbie: always search for programs in Adept Manager before downloading source packages and compiling. most apps are available in the kubuntu repositories
[03:08] <kubuntunewbie> xevious: but are they always up to date?
[03:08] <xevious> dwidmann: apt-get install [package] is great if you know the package name
[03:08] <dwidmann> xevious, kubuntunewbie: or even in third party repositories
[03:08] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: usually they're rather up to date
[03:08] <xevious> dwidmann: thanks for the correction
[03:08] <xevious> kubuntunewbie: most often when they're not up to date it's because the more recent versions may not be as stable
[03:09] <kubuntunewbie> well whats the deal with third party repos? can u trust them?
[03:09] <dwidmann> kubuntunewbie: worst case scanario, the software might be 6 months old, seeing as a new (k)ubuntu is released every six months.
[03:09] <Zerothis> I upgraded Edgy to Feisty. It shows a new kubuntu logo. Takes a looong time to boot. It didn't boot to KDE. would not 'startx' and asked me to dpkg configure. I did, it still boots to tty and won't startx. nothing for console that's graphical seems to run (dosbox, exult, etc). My users and files are still intact.
[03:11] <jerbear> does kubuntu have anything like pam_keyring?
[03:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> hello i have a question im going to reinstall my windows and keep kubuntu on my othewr harddrive but GRUB is on my windows harddrive since its the primary harddrive the question is is how do i keep GRUB on windows harddrive without deleting it
[03:11] <yotux> anyone offer help getting nic working?
[03:14] <navets> how do you turn on compiz
[03:14] <hydrogen> !compiz | navets
[03:14] <ubotu> navets: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:14] <navets> thanks
[03:15] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> hello i have a question im going to reinstall my windows and keep kubuntu on my othewr harddrive but GRUB is on my windows harddrive since its the primary harddrive the question is is how do i keep GRUB on windows harddrive without deleting it
[03:15] <yotux> Atom1cbomb3r:  windows will rewrite the MBR
[03:15] <yotux> you can not stop that
[03:16] <yotux> After you intall windows you can reinstall GRUB
[03:16] <yotux> I use knoppix when I need to restore Grub the the MBR
[03:16] <WaltzingAlong> !grub
[03:16] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:17] <WaltzingAlong> Zerothis: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[03:17] <yotux> Thankz WaltzingAlong
[03:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> after installing windows how do i reinstall grub?
[03:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> from the gutsy disk
[03:18] <Zerothis> Walt: ok, doing now
[03:18] <aabbc1> d ctgrtgrfvtgbhuyju
[03:18] <yotux> !gurb
[03:18] <tehk> How do you disable KOrganizer Reminder from loading with kontact
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gurb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <yotux> !grub
[03:18] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:19] <yotux> anyone recommend a 100mb nic?
[03:19] <yotux> sorry 1000MB
[03:19] <kubuntunewbie> WaltzingAlong: when i  assigned partitions for my computer i designated 10 gigs to the root folder and 70 gigs to another linux partition.  when i install things they go to the 10 gig drive is there a way to assign it to go to my 70 gig part?
[03:20] <alirio> buenas
[03:20] <alirio> necesito una ayuda con respecto a la instalacion de kubuntu
[03:20] <alirio> ????
[03:21] <jerbear> is there a way to have the kde wallet use my login password so i don't have to type it in?
[03:21] <hydrogen> kubuntunewbie: make the 70g the root partition
[03:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> after installing windows how do i reinstall grub?
[03:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> from the gutsy disk
[03:21] <aabbc1> o
[03:21] <alirio> hello, somebodys knows spike spanidh?
[03:21] <alirio> somebody
[03:22] <alirio> spanish
[03:22] <kubuntunewbie> hydrogen: will i lose the programs i have already installed?
[03:22] <dwidmann> !es | alirio
[03:22] <ubotu> alirio: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[03:22] <Zerothis> WaltzingAlong: ok, done. custom xorg.cfg overwritten
[03:22] <hydrogen> kubuntunewbie: mm, you won't lose them.. but things would get kind of messed up if you just switched roots
[03:22] <alirio> gracias ubotu
[03:23] <kubuntunewbie> hydrogen: is it possible to re-allocate more space to my 10g part?
[03:23] <hydrogen> sometimes
[03:23] <hydrogen> theres not an easy way
[03:23] <jerbear> how does everyone else do it, just enter your password twice?
[03:23] <jerbear> gnome had libpam-keyring
[03:23] <hydrogen> I think you can set the wallet password to be blank
[03:23] <hydrogen> don't quote me on it!
[03:24] <kubuntunewbie> hydrogen: there was a program that i was using initially that came with 7.10 boot cd
[03:24] <kubuntunewbie> hydrogen: happen to know the name?
[03:25] <hydrogen> qtparted
[03:25] <hydrogen> however
[03:25] <hydrogen> that just resizes partitions, you would need to resize the filesystem after
[03:25] <jerbear> hydrogen: yeh, i read that you could do that... i'm assuming that's highly insecure?
[03:25] <hydrogen> and it gets kind of dicey there
[03:25] <hydrogen> I think
[03:25] <hydrogen> jerbear: not really... kwallet only starts after you log in
[03:26] <dwidmann> hydrogen: you can, but that wouldn't be a particularly secure thing to do, you can also set it so it will only ask you once per session, to close the wallet when you go to screensaver and/or after a timeout, &c
[03:26] <jerbear> hydrogen: what kind of encryption does kwallet use?
[03:26] <hydrogen> dwidmann: it would be just as secure as the way gnome apparently does it
[03:26] <jerbear> hydrogen: or does it?
[03:26] <hydrogen> jerbear: not sure on that
[03:26] <hydrogen> i'd assume it does
[03:26] <dwidmann> jerbear: it does, but I don't know what
[03:26] <hydrogen> but i don't know
[03:27] <jerbear> but if it doesn't have a password, wouldn't that mean that it's essentially unencrypted?
[03:27] <aabbc1> hjgjk
[03:28] <aabbc1> fgjhfg
[03:28] <hydrogen> !gibberish | aabbc1
[03:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gibberish - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <jarn> !source-o-matic
[03:28] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:28] <dwidmann> jerbear: no, it would just mean that it's encrypted in a rather insecure way, kind of like ascii armor or something
[03:29] <dwidmann> (though with real encryption)
[03:31] <kubuntunewbie> !info kimagemapeditor
[03:31] <ubotu> kimagemapeditor: HTML image map editor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 316 kB, installed size 1112 kB
[03:33] <moparisthebest> 2.6.22-14-generic is the latest gutsy kernel for amd64 correct?
[03:35] <djtigerwolf> hi
[03:35] <Zerothis> WaltzingAlong: well i rebooted, computer froze. after restart I'm back to the same problem as before.
[03:35] <djtigerwolf> wireless help needed
[03:36] <djtigerwolf> wireless linksys usb
[03:36] <moparisthebest> you are going to have to be more specific than that djtigerwolf
[03:36] <djtigerwolf> and the setting change on me
[03:36] <lovre> how to make something load on startup? (for example compiz)
[03:36] <begert_> anyone here use sshfs?
[03:37] <moparisthebest> what is it doing djtigerwolf ?
[03:37] <djtigerwolf> i have to manualy configure it for the router
[03:37] <djtigerwolf> alisa is the setting
[03:37] <djtigerwolf> i think
[03:37] <djtigerwolf> some thing like it
[03:38] <djtigerwolf> then the setting changes to a wep
[03:38] <jimmydee> lovre: create a startup script in the init.d directory
[03:39] <djtigerwolf> and alisa is the proper setting but the system rejects it ither the router or the pc
[03:39] <jimmydee> or in the case of my sound I slid it in rc.local
[03:39] <Zerothis> "failed to load modual "nvidia" (modual does not exist, 0)" <- could that be the problem? (or is it a symptom)
[03:39] <djtigerwolf> festive faun i have no problems
[03:40] <djtigerwolf> gutsy the problem happens
[03:40] <dwidmann> I founnnnnnnnnnd it :D
[03:41] <dwidmann> jerbear, hydrogen - http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:pc1jDrPX6goJ:events.kde.org/info/kastle/presentations/kwallet-kastle-2003.ps+what+encryption+does+kwallet+use&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=opera
[03:41] <djtigerwolf> if i could get 7.4 settings on 7.10 i could probly work unless major changes were made
[03:41] <Gul_Dukat> hello all
[03:41] <jimmydee> good evening you kardassian dog
[03:41] <djtigerwolf> hi
[03:42] <Gul_Dukat> are there some kubuntu specialist?
[03:42] <t3h0wner2> No.
[03:42] <dwidmann> I reckon us people that run it are going to be as close as you're going to get Gul_Dukat
[03:42] <jimmydee> we should be able to work something out Gul
[03:42] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> i wish i had a XP install disk so i could play games
[03:43] <jimmydee> want some wine with that cheese?
[03:43] <djtigerwolf> lol
[03:43] <djtigerwolf> free download
[03:43] <jarn> Has koffice gained enough compatibility yet that I can dump the bloated nastiness that is OO.o?
[03:43] <dwidmann> jarn: maybe, see for yourself, I wouldn't count on compatibility with MS Office.
[03:43] <Jucato> jarn: I wish... but MS Office compatibility isn't high on the todo list yet
[03:44] <jarn> Jucato: Ah, that's a shame.
[03:44] <teeahr1_> Pretty much.  I find more problems going from KOffice - OOo or vice versa than with either of them and MS Office.
[03:44] <jimmydee> jucato: crossover
[03:44] <djtigerwolf> to much money
[03:44] <djtigerwolf> for me
[03:44] <dwidmann> Jucato, jarn: heard it'd be really, really hard to pull the support out of Openoffice
[03:44] <djtigerwolf> wine and wine doors
[03:44] <jarn> Jucato: MS Office compatibility is something I need when I'm writing college admissions essays... don't find a lot of admissions offices using Koffice... lol
[03:45] <jimmydee> jarn: send em pdf's
[03:45] <Jucato> jarn: hopefully KOffice 2 will solve that... :)
[03:45]  * n8k99 uses Koffice for college
[03:45] <Jucato> jarn: although the way KOffice saves .doc is to actually save them as RTF and rename them as .doc
[03:45]  * hydrogen uses vim + texlive to write papers
[03:45] <hydrogen> but i'm a traditionalist!
[03:46] <jarn> n8k99: I need to give the document to others.
[03:46] <jarn> n8k99: For my own use I do use Koffice. :P
[03:46] <dwidmann> Well, koffice defaults to Oasis, so with any luck things written with koffice will start becoming more acceptable within the next ten years eh?
[03:46]  * Jucato is lucky to not to have to right papers lately
[03:46]  * hydrogen isn't
[03:46] <hydrogen> well
[03:46] <Jucato> hydrogen: :P
[03:46]  * hydrogen is lucky enough to be able to write lots of papers lately
[03:46] <dwidmann> assuming M$ doesn't manage to crash that party, anyhow.
[03:46]  * n8k99 goes to school online so all documents have to go to others
[03:47] <hydrogen> dwidmann: if they don't o$ x will..
[03:47] <dwidmann> hydrogen: who really cares what worm infested apples have to say about things?
[03:47] <Gul_Dukat> i tried to Upgrade from Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn to Kubuntu 7.10 - Gutsy Gibbon. The first 3 steps of the Upgrade program did work OK. (1. Preparing the upgrade, 2. Modifying the software channels, 3. Fetching the upgrades). But after the download was finish the upgrade program just suddently closed. Any ideas?
[03:47] <djtigerwolf> back to wireless problems
[03:47] <teeahr1_> jarn: export to pdf
[03:48] <jimmydee> Gul_Dukat: try dpkg --configure -a
[03:48] <jimmydee> errr sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:48] <jarn> jimmydee, teeahr1_: PDF is actually a good idea... I should have thought of that. :/ Thanks!
[03:49] <Gul_Dukat> the last 3 steps did not run. no install, no cleaning up, no restart
[03:49] <jimmydee> *BOW*
[03:49] <djtigerwolf> running ubuntu 7.4 (running now) and kubuntu 7.10 (no connection to internet)
[03:50] <teeahr1_> gul_dukat: I've been having similar problems.  Known bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/adept/+bug/153889
[03:51] <djtigerwolf> if i cant get 7.10 working im going to another system till i get a newer pc
[03:51] <Gul_Dukat> teeahr1_: known bug? und what you did?
[03:51] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[03:51] <hydrogen> djtigerwolf: why not keep using 7.04?}
[03:51] <jimmydee> I had gutsy working pre release just by changing all the feisty's to gutsy's in sources.list and doing the upgrade
[03:52] <lovre> how do i run superkaramba on system start?
[03:52] <jimmydee> lovre: put the command in rc.local
[03:52] <djtigerwolf> its getting to the point of out of date  and some of the repositories are not working any morew
[03:52] <hydrogen> !autostart | lovre
[03:52] <ubotu> lovre: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:52] <hydrogen> jimmydee: its an x program.. that doesn't make sense
[03:53] <djtigerwolf> cant get beryl
[03:53] <jimmydee> it comes in AFTER gdm or kdm run
[03:53] <djtigerwolf> or wine
[03:53] <hydrogen> dthacker: it isn't out of date.. enable backports and you will have versions for another eighteen months or so
[03:53] <hydrogen> jimmydee: you want it to run after you log in thoguh
[03:53] <jimmydee> point, I'm tired
[03:53] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[03:54] <helloyo> anyone know when the kopete/msn bug is getting a fix?
[03:54] <teeahr1_> gul_dukate: nothing yet.  I'm at 7.10 on my system, but the upgrade program still wants to upgrade every time i run adept.  but i upgraded from the rc.  different people have been reporting different things.
[03:54] <djtigerwolf> how do i do that
[03:54] <dwidmann> helloyo: it was fixed the day before release, I guess it just didnt' get pressed into the release (it was too late by then)
[03:54] <helloyo> dwidmann: ah, i see, but it should be in the updates soon right?
[03:55] <lovre> !autorun
[03:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autorun - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:55] <dwidmann> check out the kubuntu site for details, I'm pretty sure he left a couple links on there for the fixed packages.
[03:55] <jimmydee> I think I'll take my one backup machine to 7.10 right now
[03:55] <lovre> !autostart
[03:55] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:55] <MarcC> Konqueror is suddenly taking *forever* to move files to the recycle bin - anybody else experience this before?
[03:56] <Gul_Dukat> teeahr1_: the problem is my upgrade did never run. the upgrade program just stopped in the middle... after downloading packages so i still have 7.04 i think...
[03:56] <teeahr1_> marcc: always.
[03:56]  * dwidmann sees no_recylce bin_
[03:56] <jimmydee> gul_dukat exit adept and goto terminal, then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:56] <helloyo> dwidmann: thanks
[03:56] <MarcC> teeahr1_: ok, mine just started doing it, so I guess I'll restart to confirm the behavior
[03:56] <djtigerwolf> backports were?
[03:56] <djtigerwolf> looking but not finding
[03:57] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> does anybody know of a recent version of americas army working on linuxc
[03:57] <Gul_Dukat> jimmydee: what this excatly do? this will continue the upgrade?
[03:57] <teeahr1_> gul_dukat: you can check by hitting f1 and looking at "about kubuntu"
[03:57] <teeahr1_> marcc: since 7.04 at least, i can't confirm any earlier than that.
[03:57] <jimmydee> yessir it should continue the upgrade
[03:57] <LinuxReign> i think Americas Amry developers wont support the Linux version anymore, google it :P
[03:58] <kubuntunewbie> oh techmology!
[03:58] <kubuntunewbie> !info techmology
[03:58] <ubotu> Package techmology does not exist in gutsy
[03:58] <MarcC> teeahr1_: thanks
[03:58] <kubuntunewbie> ubotu claims gusty has no techmology.
[03:59] <jimmydee> but I'm a Techmishion
[03:59] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[03:59] <lovre> superkaramba is not showing items i installed, and now i cant isnstall them anymore because they are checked as installed. But they dont appear in the list
[04:00] <lovre> i reinstalled superkaramba but it remembered what was installed. Is there a configuration file somewhere, that i could edit perhaps?
[04:01] <teeahr1_> lovre: search for a folder named "superkaramba" it might be /home/you/.superkaramba or it might be in /home/you/.kde i don't remember which
[04:01] <teeahr1_> lovre: it'll be in home, at any rate
[04:01] <moparisthebest> is there any way I can check what modules I have loaded?
[04:01] <lovre> i found it at home/me/.superkaramba
[04:01] <moparisthebest> kernel modules
[04:02] <Zerothis> well, i decided to try 'startx' again to see more of the errors and in magically worked. no to do the whole thing again for gusty
[04:02] <teeahr1_> lovre: just delete it
[04:02] <MarcC> location of KDE trash folder?
[04:02] <lovre> teeahr1_: everything?
[04:02] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[04:03] <kubuntunewbie> !info openhackware
[04:03] <ubotu> Package openhackware does not exist in gutsy
[04:03] <teeahr1_> lovre: that's the config folder for superkaramba, so deleting it should just be like starting over.  another thing you could have done was select "purge package" instead of "uninstall"
[04:04] <lovre> i see
[04:04] <MarcC> I have two folders inside of .Trash: "files" and "info". Is it ok to delete both of these, or should I delete only the files inside "files"?
[04:04] <lovre> teeahr1_: in adept manager?
[04:04] <teeahr1_> lovre: correct, sorry should have clarified
[04:04] <lovre> teeahr1_: thank you very much, no need to appologise :D
[04:05] <LinuxReign> any have apollon running correctly with the ares plugin?
[04:05] <LinuxReign> anyone*
[04:05] <lovre> teeahr1_: i dont see purge package anywhere
[04:06] <teeahr1_> lovre: right-click on the package name in adept
[04:06] <LinuxReign> purge is not a package its an option to uninstall packages
[04:06] <lovre> LinuxReign: i know, but i dont see that option, not even when i click right.click on package
[04:07] <lovre> oh, i see now
[04:07] <LinuxReign> humm
[04:07] <lovre> sorry
[04:07] <lovre> im dumb :D
[04:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> does anybody know of a recent version of americas army working on linuxc
[04:07] <teeahr1_> no problem :)
[04:07] <LinuxReign> u r not, the worst question is the one that is never asked :P
[04:08] <lovre> :)
[04:08] <lovre> i cant believe there are actually ppl in the world that want to help...... thats weird :D
[04:10] <jimmydee> ok samba related question, I can see the share but I cant authenticate from my windoze box
[04:10] <lovre> hmm, having trouble with superkaramba again, that didnt help. Is there any other widget software i could use?
[04:10] <NickPresta> lovre, what's your SK problem?
[04:10] <robin_> hello, I just installed kubuntu. I see my ntfs partition but whe ni click on the drive the windwo that pops up is emply, how can i fix this?
[04:11] <lovre> NickPresta: i install a widget, and it doesnt appear in the list, but it checks as installed.
[04:11] <jimmydee> is it against the "rules" to run konqueror as root?
[04:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> lovre: is your CPU running at 100%
[04:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> lovre: nvm
[04:11] <lovre> AT0M1CB0MB3R: i suppose no, how can i check
[04:12] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> lovre: never mind
[04:12] <lovre> AT0M1CB0MB3R: ok
[04:12] <lovre> NickPresta: you got any idea?
[04:13] <NickPresta> lovre, where are you installing the package from? Could there be a strange permissions problem?
[04:13] <lovre> im installing a package from the SK main window. There is a button called New Stuff.... i click it and install
[04:13] <lovre> NickPresta: ^^
[04:14] <iobelisk> hi, i was just wondering what docks do most of you use?
[04:14] <NickPresta> lovre, I mean, where is the "new stuff" package? Is it owned by you?
[04:15] <lovre> NickPresta: i download it from the internet. Im not following you.
[04:16] <tds> anyone recommend python as a first language?
[04:16]  * NickPresta raises hand
[04:17] <NickPresta> tds, it is a powerful, versatile, and friendly language for anyone at any level. It's a great beginner's language, I feel.
[04:18] <NickPresta> tds, if you head to #kubuntu-offtopic, I can explain in greater detail and/or provide some beginner information
[04:18] <BigPick> I highly recomend Java as a first language.
[04:18] <tds> ok, going
[04:19] <needles> BigPick: what about python?
[04:21] <BigPick> I love python for certain functionality like how it handles data types, but I prefer the more traditional syntax of Java.
[04:22] <BigPick> But then again I'm a C\LASM zealot so I'm more than a little nuts.
[04:24] <needles> BigPick: im not programmer, but what can you do with java?
[04:25] <t3h0wner2> Anything.
[04:25] <needles> it seems limited in that you need a runtime environment to use it
[04:25] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[04:25] <t3h0wner2> Um.... you kind of need a runtime envir for anything you program
[04:26] <t3h0wner2> You need .net framework for anything .net oriented (C#, etc.)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> I though that was sort of the point of java. You had a virtualmachne/runtime that was  what you programed for.. t
[04:26] <t3h0wner2> if written in cygwin, you need those libs
[04:26] <t3h0wner2> etc etc
[04:26] <t3h0wner2> everything needs "something" in order to run
[04:26] <needles> t3h0wner2: yeah
[04:26] <BigPick> The runtime environment is a major drawback.
[04:26] <needles> what would you suggest someone new to programming learn?
[04:27] <t3h0wner2> C.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> or a major feature. :)
[04:27] <Dr_willis> Depends on how NEW 'new' is :)
[04:27] <t3h0wner2> Definitely C.
[04:27] <needles> i attempted to learn python, but didnt get very far
[04:27] <BigPick> But in terms of a first language I would have to say Java or C
[04:27] <t3h0wner2> It doesn't matter how new you are, that's the best one to start off with, by far.
[04:27] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i run a .run file?
[04:27]  * needles shivers at the mention of learning the C syntax
[04:27] <Dr_willis> If you coulden handle the basics of Python.. well....
[04:27] <t3h0wner2> Eh, you'll get over it quickly enough. ;)
[04:27] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  chmod +x whatever.run   ./whatever.run
[04:28] <needles> yeah, i was just looking at it though
[04:28] <BigPick> I would recomend java because you get alot of experience in Object Oriented Programming.
[04:28] <needles> not seriously attempting anything
[04:28] <t3h0wner2> Whatever you do, do not begin with VB, or any ofrm of object oriented language first
[04:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i run a .run file? thats on my desktop
[04:28] <t3h0wner2> it will fuck you over something fierce later on if you do decide to learn /real/ languages
[04:28] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  use thje shell.
[04:28] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  chmod +x whatever.run   ./whatever.run
[04:28] <t3h0wner2> AT0M1CB0MB3R: ./blah.run
[04:28] <moparisthebest> Java or C++, a new programmer really shouldn't start out with C
[04:28] <needles> t3h0wner2: you just said the opposite of BigPick
[04:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> t3h0wner2: your going to get kicked
[04:28] <t3h0wner2> moparisthebest: C++ wil generate bad habits
[04:29] <BigPick> Not C++
[04:29] <MurielGodoi> needles: my firsr language was lisp :)
[04:29] <moparisthebest> how do you figure?
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Comal ! :)
[04:29] <t3h0wner2> AT0M1CB0MB3R: Why?
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Every language teaches you bad habbits in one form or another.
[04:29] <needles> t3h0wner2: i think because of bad language
[04:29] <BigPick> there is a major reason why the College board classes, and all of the OOP classes at my college have switched to java
[04:29]  * Dr_willis learned programing on a C64
[04:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !ohmy | t3h0wner2
[04:29] <ubotu> t3h0wner2: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:30] <t3h0wner2> So many tears, sorry for offending the yougens.
[04:30] <moparisthebest> OOP is what you should start out with (and try to stick with)
[04:30] <NickPresta> at the risk of being disliked, !offtopic
[04:30] <BigPick> My first language was MASM assembler, I have to say that it is much harder to go from procedural to OOP then OOP to procedural
[04:30] <NickPresta> and moparisthebest sticking with one tool for every job is silly :)
[04:30] <moparisthebest> OOP is not one tool is it? ;)
[04:30] <t3h0wner2> BigPick: haha
[04:31] <BigPick> It just means Object Oriented Programming, sorry that was confusing
[04:31] <kubuntunewbie> its a little ironic that the liberals that support open source software cant handle a little foul lang.
[04:31] <needles> it just seems like alot of things are written in python and perl, and ive read that they are convenient and easy to learn compared to C, so thats what I looked at
[04:31] <MurielGodoi> needles: for a complete combination you should get one for each paradigm: ansi C, java, lisp, prolog cover that
[04:31]  * genii sips a coffee
[04:31] <Dr_willis> Python is to handy to not learn :)
[04:31] <t3h0wner2> I agree with MurielGodoi
[04:31] <needles> kubuntunewbie: its just to keep things at a healthy medium
[04:31] <BigPick> Oh yes, you should eventually expand into a number of languages.
[04:32] <moparisthebest> but learn one first I would say, learn it well
[04:32] <t3h0wner2> C, ASM, Perl, PHP
[04:32] <moparisthebest> then the rest will just be syntax differences for the most part
[04:32] <kubuntunewbie> needles: still a tad ironic. just thought id throw that out there.
[04:32] <BigPick> I went from ASM -> Java -> C -> Python
[04:32] <needles> kubuntunewbie: it is, true
[04:32] <t3h0wner2> I like that combo, especially if you are training to be a "security specialist" of some sort
[04:32] <BigPick> Trust me, java is much easier on a new programmer.
[04:32] <moparisthebest> I went C++ > Java > C++ > C
[04:32] <moparisthebest> I still like Java best
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> That's why high schools always start off with java
[04:33] <BigPick> Ditto.
[04:33] <moparisthebest> and it is easiest on the new programmer
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> and in college, they always start off with C
[04:33] <needles> how long did it take you guys to get down your first language and comfortably create something
[04:33] <genii> Once you learn 1 well thought out language, others are a breeze to pick up. there's only so many basic functions at the core of them.
[04:33]  * needles looks up a few ebooks on java
[04:33] <moparisthebest> t3h0wner2, my college starts off with Java
[04:33] <Dr_willis> I Had high school classes on C64, and in college.. used fortran and rexx :)
[04:33] <moparisthebest> in high school I took C++
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> moparisthebest: Really? For Informatics majors, they don't.
[04:33] <t3h0wner2> Lucky, I wish they had offered classes like that in my school
[04:33] <moparisthebest> all CSA classes here are Java
[04:34] <moparisthebest> with 2 exceptions
[04:34] <BigPick> It took me months just to understand most of the peculiarities of C dynamic memory allocation.
[04:34] <moparisthebest> C++ for graphics
[04:34] <moparisthebest> and C for operating systems
[04:34] <MurielGodoi> BigPick: my brazilian college starts off with Scheme (like lisp)
[04:34] <BigPick> We start out with C here first, then go to Java, Java replaced C++ is what I originally meant.
[04:34] <MurielGodoi> BigPick: that was excelent to understand recursive funtions :)
[04:34] <needles> id never heard of lisp until a month or two ago
[04:35] <needles> im a mechanical engineering major, so i dont really have to learn programming, but im delving into it a bit
[04:35] <BigPick> I tutor students in both C and Java, trying to explain wild pointers to someone who barely knows what a function is, is not my idea of fun.
[04:35] <BigPick> I'm a computer engineering major.
[04:35] <needles> BigPick: doesnt sound fun
[04:35] <moparisthebest> needles, my first java book is at moparisthebest.com/java
[04:36] <BigPick> But I passed out of all required programming courses :)
[04:36] <moparisthebest> hehe, needles I was a mechanical engineering major too, then I dabbled with programming and later switched majors, be careful :P
[04:36] <jhutchins_x> needles, Clcks are an instance of mechanical programming.  So are jaquard looms, which led to hollerith cards.
[04:36] <needles> BigPick: i considered electrical engineering (which is somewhat computer engineering where im at)
[04:36] <t3h0wner2> informatics
[04:36] <needles> but it seemed like alot more work, alot alot more work
[04:36] <t3h0wner2> oops
[04:36] <moparisthebest> and now I have to go another semester because of the switch :(
[04:36] <t3h0wner2> wrong window
[04:36] <BigPick> Yeah, electrical and computer are basically the same here now.
[04:37] <MurielGodoi> needles: In true, There isn't the best one to start. It depends on tour goals with programming
[04:37] <jhutchins_x> sry, clocks
[04:37] <BigPick> I like helping with the linux kernel, mainly wireless drivers, so knowing C was a big priority for me.
[04:37] <needles> MurielGodoi: yeah
[04:38] <MurielGodoi> I'll defend my master thesis in computer science next week :/
[04:38] <BigPick> But when I write user-based programs (a couple for streaming media) I like Java (except the damned JMF which should be deprecated)
[04:38] <needles> moparisthebest: ill check the ebook out
[04:38] <BigPick> Sweet! What is your thesis Muriel?
[04:38] <needles> MurielGodoi: good luck
[04:38] <t3h0wner2> I defend my reasoning for rewriting strstr(); tomorrow for my prof, he doesn't like my methods apparently
[04:38] <t3h0wner2> bah
[04:38] <t3h0wner2> and making it my own function
[04:39] <keaton> My computer is BONED. I tried to install 7.10 through adept, it locked up, and now X won't start, apt-get won't run (it tells me to run dpkg --configure -a, when I do that it gives me a parsing error)
[04:39] <MurielGodoi> needles: thanks... i will need :)
[04:39] <needles> keaton: i had that exact same problem last night
[04:39] <t3h0wner2> he didn't want us to literlly use "strstr" function, so... I wrote my own, new function that was similar to it
[04:39] <t3h0wner2> lol
[04:39] <needles> keaton: i never got it solved, and now by kernel wont even boot
[04:39] <keaton> I also got a segmentation fault when I tried to manually start X.
[04:39] <t3h0wner2> I can write in English, awesome.
[04:40] <scheater6> needles: o. there's good news!
[04:40] <BigPick> I wrote my own version of C strings that uses Java Strings as an abstract :)
[04:40] <keaton> I think someone made a biiiiig fuck up with the latest version of X.
[04:40] <t3h0wner2> BigPick: lol, nice
[04:40] <needles> keaton: i said screw it, and am on livecd right now trying to fix things
[04:40] <scheater6> keaton: alright, I dunno if I can help you, but maybe we can brainstorm some troubleshooting?
[04:40] <MurielGodoi> changing the subject, I'm downloading ubuntu dvd image by torrent,  but it is slow here. Any1 else is facing the same?
[04:41] <scheater6> keaton: can you get to a terminal?
[04:41] <BigPick> blerg wrong button
[04:41] <needles> scheater6: there has to be away around it, some of us who tried to upgrade got screwed big time
[04:41] <keaton> Yeah, this is BitchX. :P
[04:41] <MurielGodoi> !language | keaton
[04:41] <ubotu> keaton: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:41] <LoneShadow> !realplayer
[04:41] <LoneShadow> !realplay
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realplay - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <LoneShadow> Hi, anyone know how to play .rmvb files ?
[04:41] <needles> MurielGodoi: thats the name of his irc client
[04:41] <BigPick> I'm currently working on a fix for the update-manager package. But since I am not an official developer its been impossible to get any response.
[04:42] <BDDF> LoneShadow: mplayer
[04:42] <keaton> needles: I dropped the F-bomb too. :B
[04:42] <needles> keaton: oh, didnt see it
[04:42] <dennister> needles: did you ever get ur cfs issue resolved? has your gutsy upgrade completed?
[04:42] <scheater6> keaton: can ya get to a terminal?
[04:42] <LoneShadow> BDDF, where do I get the codecs to play it? I already tried with mplayer
[04:42] <needles> dennister: no, i didnt
[04:42] <keaton> scheater6: yeah, I'm in one right now, that's how I'm talking to you guys.
[04:42] <needles> dennister: im on livecd now running through my options
[04:43] <MurielGodoi> needles: what? Each one in this channel can be using a different irc client
[04:43] <BDDF> mplayerhq.hu?
[04:43] <BDDF> I think ...
[04:43] <needles> MurielGodoi: nvm, misread something
[04:43] <dennister> hmmm...sorry to hear that
[04:43] <scheater6> keaton: lol - I should have known.  alright, well, how important are the files on your computer?
[04:43] <BDDF> how did you install your mplayer?
[04:43] <needles> dennister: im thinking about just reformatting that partition and installing gutsy from livecd
[04:43] <godfodder> does anyone know how to create a grub boot loader?
[04:43] <LoneShadow> BDDF: hmm, so what happened to automatix or something to install missing codecs automatically, or we are not there yet ?
[04:43] <keaton> scheater6: I can't lose my stuff, it would take months to get it all back.
[04:43] <needles> i didnt have too much invested in it, though i need to move a few files off of it, before i do
[04:44] <dennister> needles: that might be the fastest way to fix things
[04:44] <godfodder> i have the text file but i forget how to name it
[04:44] <needles> dennister: yeah, because it is really fubar'd
[04:44] <scheater6> keaton: do you have an external, or second harddrive?
[04:44] <dennister> you could but ur head against the wall from here to doomsday...that's easy to do
[04:44] <genii> menu.lst ?
[04:44] <BDDF> LoneShadow: I dunno ...
[04:44] <keaton> scheater6: Does a 2 gig flash drive count? :/
[04:44] <BDDF> lemme check what I have somewhere
[04:44] <godfodder> thanks genii i think thats it
[04:44] <Dr_willis> godfodder,  sudo update-grub
[04:45] <LoneShadow> BDDF: thanks anyway :)
[04:45] <scheater6> keaton: not unless you could get everything important on it.  I'm thinking about just bypassing the whole problem and doing a fresh install - considering options of saving your data
[04:45] <needles> how do you access your hd from livecd? i get "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 999"
[04:45] <godfodder> i need to put it in my usb flashdrive so i can install xp and then reboot ubuntu
[04:45] <godfodder> xp will overwrite the mbr
[04:45] <BDDF> LoneShadow: http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/27/how-to-play-rmvb-files-in-ubuntu/
[04:46] <scheater6> needles: try going through system settings/kcontrol and going to filesystems and enabling it there
[04:46] <dennister> needles: just go to gnome's places, computer, and mount the hdd you see there
[04:46] <Dr_willis> this is #kubuntu :)
[04:47] <scheater6> keaton: how much freespace do you have on this harddrive?  Could you make a partition out of the free space and mirror your data there?
[04:48] <dennister> is there a kubuntu livecd? i thought they were all ubuntu/gnome-based
[04:48] <MurielGodoi> keaton: you can create a partition and mount /home there. It make much more easier to you do new clean installs
[04:48] <Dr_willis> dennister,  yes thers a kubuntu livecd.
[04:48] <Dr_willis> and a xubuntu livecd
[04:48] <scheater6> dennister: yup yup yup - kubuntu, xubuntu
[04:48] <needles> dennister: no, there is
[04:48] <keaton> scheater6: I'm not sure... You know any way I can check through command line?
[04:48] <needles> soon to be fluxbuntu
[04:48] <Dr_willis> and Mythbuntu
[04:48] <MurielGodoi> keaton: df
[04:49] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anybody wanna create LFS with me?
[04:49] <needles> scheater6: enable is grayed out, i can seem to do it
[04:49] <scheater6> keaton: hmmm...I'm not sure.  you can try "parted" - but it's a full blown weapon of mass destruction
[04:49] <dennister> well, needles now has 2 methods to choose from to access his hdd from livecd, depending on which livecd he has :)
[04:49] <hydrogen> lfs is stupid.
[04:49] <scheater6> needles: try adminstrator mode, or "kdesu kcontrol"
[04:49] <keaton> brb
[04:49] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> hydrogen: i would learn alot from it
[04:49] <needles> im on kubuntu 7.10 livecd
[04:49] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: then feel free to waste a good deal of your time only to give up and come back
[04:50] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: its your time after all
[04:50] <needles> scheater6: i think i need to give it a mount point is why
[04:50] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> hydrogen: why would i give up
[04:50] <romulo> join #linux-newbies
[04:51] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: because you will realize how silly it is to artificially limit yourself to a distro without package management
[04:51] <scheater6> needles: the other way, kinda the old skool way, is to mkdir in /mnt and then issue "sudo mnt /dev/hdx /mnt/[mountpoint]"
[04:51] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> needles: mount it to /media/yourharddrivename
[04:51] <Dexh1> I can not  login on kubuntu..say error 15 file not found
[04:51] <t3h0wner2> AT0M1CB0MB3R knows that, but not to CD to the dir you are trying to modify?
[04:51] <t3h0wner2> interesting
[04:52] <t3h0wner2> Dexh1: Find out what the file is, and replace it.
[04:52] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> t3h0wner2: im new to linux dont trip homie
[04:52] <t3h0wner2> AT0M1CB0MB3R: No, I was just surprised.
[04:52] <needles> scheater6, AT0M1CB0MB3R: the reason i cant do it the easy way is because its complaing that its granted access to UID 999 and not 0
[04:52] <t3h0wner2> chown?
[04:52] <Dexh1> not sure seems like it can not find my HD
[04:52] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> yeah chown it
[04:52] <hydrogen> UID=999?
[04:53] <hydrogen> that sounds like a problem with the command you were using to mount it
[04:53] <hydrogen> like saying uid instead of umask
[04:53] <hydrogen> well
[04:53] <hydrogen> no
[04:53] <t3h0wner2> mmm
[04:53] <hydrogen> because that wouldn't make sense for umask
[04:53] <Dr_willis> or he could just do the  work as root.
[04:53] <Dr_willis> and mount it manually
[04:53] <hydrogen> but it sounds like a problem with waht you used to mount it
[04:53] <needles> livecd is root
[04:53] <DaSkreech> The Live Cd has the main user UID=999
[04:53] <scheater6> needles: no it's not
[04:53] <Dr_willis> the livecd DESKTOP is not root - i belive
[04:54] <romulo> good night penguins
[04:54] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> after setting mountpoint needles you should then type in terminal "sudo mount /media/yourharddrivename"
[04:54] <needles> ah
[04:54] <scheater6> needles: although the root account is not password protected, you're still not automatically root
[04:54] <DaSkreech> It's not root
[04:54] <needles> scheater6: thats what i confused it as
[04:54] <Dexh1> is there any way to diagnose or reinstall boot file
[04:54] <romulo> sorry I came late to the discussion, what live cd are we talking about?
[04:54] <scheater6> romulo: kubuntu - needles is trying to mount a hdd via livecd
[04:55] <needles> romulo: kubuntu 7.10 desktop
[04:55] <romulo> scheater6: thanks
[04:55] <romulo> needles: thanks
[04:56] <romulo> well time to go to bed, have a good one penguins
[04:56] <needles> romulo: see ya
[04:56] <scheater6> romulo: peace
[04:56] <romulo> thanks same to all of you
[04:57] <Dexh1> 4
[04:57] <xstat> hello, i have a very fresh problem just before finishing the installation of kubuntu 7.1, the application kopete fails when connecting to msn network and produces SIGSEGV error, anybody knows what the problem is?
[04:57] <romulo> may the opensource be with you
[04:57] <scheater6> needles: my friend, I still suggest you make use of /mnt
[04:57] <Dexh1> 4 how can restore my Kubuntu
[04:57] <needles> scheater6: im doing it like that, but mounting it to /media instead of /mnt
[04:57] <godfodder> hmm i'm still trying to figure out how to create a grub boot loaderon my usb flashdrive
[04:57] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[04:58] <needles> scheater6: aha, victory!
[04:58] <godfodder> i remember a "boot" folder and in that, a "grub" folder
[04:58] <scheater6> instead of making a persistent mountpoint, just make a one-time one in the command - that means you have to create the dir before hand with sudo mkdir
[04:58] <scheater6> needles: or you could beat me to it!  good deal man
[04:58] <kubuntunewbie> good night kiddies.
[04:58] <scheater6> needles: now I don't even remember the original, "main problem"...something about X11?
[04:58] <needles> scheater6: i think thats what i just did, but im not sure
[04:59] <needles> scheater6: i just couldnt access my hd from livecd
[04:59] <godfodder> i just need it for after i install xp
[04:59] <needles> i had to mount the different partitions
[04:59] <Dexh1> is there anyway to restore kubuntu from live CD?
[04:59] <godfodder> so i can boot back into kubuntu
[04:59] <xstat> sorry about my interruption, just wanted to know about kopete's critical error when connecting to msn network
[04:59] <scheater6> needles: ah. yes you do.  I didn't even thing about that
[05:00] <scheater6> xstat: I got nothing on that - but as an aside, earlier you made reference to "7.1" - just letting ya know, keep the zero - "7.10" - it's a date
[05:00] <xstat>  ok, thank you for the comment, i'll keep that in mind
[05:00]  * Dexh1 wants to know how to restore kubuntu from live CD
[05:01] <needles> Dexh1: did you mess up your upgrade to gutsy?
[05:01] <Dexh1> yes I did :(
[05:01] <needles> Dexh1: the same thing im trying to do
[05:01] <Dexh1> bummer
[05:01] <needles> Dexh1: im throwing in the towel though, and just moving important files off that partition and doing a fresh partition
[05:02] <godfodder> hmm if xp is going to overwrite the mbr, then can i use the kubuntu install disk to boot into kubuntu, or reinstall the mbr?
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Dexh1: it won't boot?
[05:02] <needles> Dexh1: I have no idea how to fix it, and spent too many precious late night hours last night trying to do so
[05:02] <Dr_willis> !fixgrub
[05:02] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:02] <Dexh1> no it won't Da
[05:02] <godfodder> ta mate
[05:02] <Dr_willis> godfodder,  check out that !fixgrub factoids :)
[05:02] <godfodder> sweet
[05:02] <Dexh1> I geta error ..file not founf\d
[05:02] <Dexh1> found
[05:02] <godfodder> thanks Dr_willis :)
[05:03] <dotz> when i close my SCIM/SKIM, after awhile it will auto load back..why is that so?
[05:04] <supert0nes> i've got a what if question: I put my home on its own partition, so if i screwed up my os how would i go about restoring to the same settings
[05:04] <Dr_willis> supert0nes,  i just install. and then edit fstab to point to the proper partition after i reinstall
[05:05] <supert0nes> then all i would need to do is reinstall my programs and i'm good?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Dexh1: Which file is not found?
[05:05] <scheater6> supert0nes: well, putting /home on it's own partition helps alot - assuming "screwed up my os" leaves /home untouched, just reinstall k/ubuntu, and during the install list what is now /home as the /home partition and "do not format"
[05:06] <supert0nes> sounds good thanks a lot, ive not known how to fix x a few times with feisty and its nice to have something more reliable to come back to after a reinstall
[05:06] <basicjay> humble greeting all.
[05:06] <needles> how do i access a locked folder on my hd from livecd?
[05:07]  * supert0nes realizes that not fixing easy problems in x is another matter completely heh
[05:07] <needles> namely, my desktop folder
[05:07] <scheater6> needles: sudo dolphin
[05:07] <needles> scheater6: ah, i see
[05:07] <keaton> I'm back, can you guys tell me the command to mount a fat32 flash drive?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> !fat32
[05:07] <ubotu> ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:08] <Dr_willis> Hmm. sudo mount /dev/whjatever /media/whatever -t vfat
[05:08] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:08] <Dr_willis> or somthing like that
[05:09] <hydrogen> well
[05:09] <hydrogen> if you plug the drive in
[05:09] <hydrogen> the dialog should pop up
[05:09] <scheater6> keaton: I still suggest, considering it's livecd, that you mkdir in /mnt and mount it there instead of trying to get it to automount, or even in /media where it tries to automatically make a dir - it's nice when it works, but making the dir yourself always works.
[05:09] <hydrogen> and you can just open it there
[05:09] <DaSkreech> !kdesu | scheater6 and needles
[05:09] <ubotu> scheater6 and needles: In KDE, use « kdesudo » (Gutsy) or « kdesu » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use « sudo <GUI application> »; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:09] <Dr_willis> It pays to learn how to mount things manually :)
[05:10] <needles> Dr_willis: indeed
[05:10] <hydrogen> and it also causes all sorts of fun problems
[05:10] <hydrogen> about permissions
[05:10] <hydrogen> unless you do all sorts of work
[05:10] <hydrogen> in other words.. why make things harder than they have to be?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> or understand how permissions work. :)
[05:11] <hydrogen> no.
[05:11] <hydrogen> you can only mount a device as root unless its in your fstab
[05:11] <m0u5e> hi, i just installed kubuntu gutsy on my dell m1330 and i am having problems with setting up my driver & resolution
[05:11] <hydrogen> and has user{,s} in the option field
[05:11] <hydrogen> if you mount a device as root, you can only read/write to it as root
[05:11] <m0u5e> i think it might have to do with dell giving us only 128mb of ram, rather than 256
[05:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i use irssi?
[05:11] <m0u5e> is there anyway to tell?
[05:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> to connect to freenode
[05:12] <scheater6> DaSkreech: I was only suggesting sudo dolphin because it's the livecd.  not to much to muck up if it's a temporary thing.  But that is a good point
[05:12] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  go to the irssi web site - they have some very good starter docs  the command would be /server irc.freenode.net
[05:12] <DaSkreech> scheater6: Knowing is 1/2 the power
[05:12] <m0u5e> i am reconfigure xorg @ the moment, should i be using the nv or nvidia driver?
[05:12] <m0u5e> or are they just the same? -_-;
[05:13] <hydrogen> they are not the same
[05:13] <hydrogen> and it depends on your system
[05:13] <jerbear> when i hit mute on my keyboard, it shows a notification saying that muting is on, but sound is still playing... what's going on?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> m0u5e,  nv is the gpl nvidia driver . 'nvidia' is the Official Nviaid driver from nvidia
[05:13] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> m0u5e: use nvidia
[05:13] <hydrogen> the nv driver is the open source free driver.
[05:13] <hydrogen> use that unless you installed the nvidia driver from multiverse
[05:13] <needles> hydrogen: it sort of hurts my eyes
[05:13] <m0u5e> alright thx
[05:13] <hydrogen> The nvidia driver has 3d enhancements and is a whole bunch better, but is not free-as-in-beer
[05:13] <hydrogen> put that in the conf if you enabled it
[05:14] <hydrogen> er
[05:14] <hydrogen> rit is free as in beer
[05:14] <hydrogen> its not free-as-in-liberty
[05:14]  * Dr_willis perfers Free as in Love.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:14] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i connect to irc.freenode.net using irssi?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  i answered ya earlier. You use the /server command
[05:15] <needles> AT0M1CB0MB3R: /connect irc.freenode.net
[05:15] <Dr_willis> or was it /connect :)
[05:15] <supert0nes> anyone got an easy tutorial for setting up vnc i tried x forwarding and the program i'm using is hard on the network connection
[05:15] <jerbear> anyone know what could be wrong with my sound?
[05:15] <needles> jerbear: whats the issue
[05:15] <Dr_willis> supert0nes,  why are you using x forwarding and vnc?
[05:15] <hydrogen> loves not open source.
[05:16] <Dr_willis> supert0nes,  i normally install 'vnc4server' and ya just run 'vncserver
[05:16] <supert0nes> my school doesnt have the ide i use
[05:16] <jerbear> needles: sound works, volume control works, but the mute key does not actually mute the sound.... although it shows a notification saying muting is on
[05:16] <Dr_willis> supert0nes,  why are you using Both is what i dont get. :)
[05:16] <supert0nes> oh im not using both
[05:16] <supert0nes> i was using x forwarding and dont like that approach anymore sorry
[05:17] <needles> jerbear: for some reason the keys get messed up, but everything works for sure when you open up the volume control panel
[05:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i change my username in irssi
[05:17] <needles> jerbear: or mixer i mean
[05:17] <scheater6> jerbear: you have the key mapped to mute the wrong channel - plus mastermono will play sound even when master is muted.
[05:17] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: read the docs on the irssi website
[05:17] <hydrogen> AT0M1CB0MB3R: its off topic for this channel
[05:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> wow why
[05:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> why not just tell me
[05:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> and get it over with
[05:17] <hydrogen> because it has nothing to do with kubuntu.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  if you want to learn irssi.. GO to the irssi web site and read their uyser guides.
[05:18] <jerbear> how do i check what channel it's mapped to?
[05:18] <scheater6> jerbear: under kmix, setting, configure global settings
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Night all!
[05:18] <needles> AT0M1CB0MB3R: man irssi
[05:18] <needles> everything you need to know is usually in the man page
[05:18] <Dr_willis> AT0M1CB0MB3R, all your questions you have been asking are answered there.
[05:18] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> YOU man irssi!!!!
[05:18] <needles> AT0M1CB0MB3R: man pages are your friend
[05:18] <DaSkreech> !man
[05:18] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or type man:/ in Konqueror's location bar. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:18] <scheater6> jerbear: try just pulling the mastermono channel all the way down
[05:19] <Dr_willis> THe starter guides at the irssi page are very well done.
[05:19] <jerbear> scheater6: i checked that... i tried setting the "toggle volume of master", but it didn't help
[05:20] <jerbear> i don't see a mastermono
[05:20] <scheater6> jerbear: I'm not sure exactly the purpose of the master mono channel, but it causes me alot of grief.  if it's all the way down, and the button is mapped correctly, then see if it works for you
[05:20] <scheater6> jerbear: right click on the kmix icon and select show mixer window
[05:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !no
[05:21] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[05:21] <needles> how do you make konq the default filesystem again
[05:21] <jerbear> yeh, i'm there, i just don't see mastermono
[05:21] <sunny_> Hi,how can I open the 3D desktop
[05:21] <hydrogen> !dolphin
[05:21] <ubotu> dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[05:21] <jerbear> i see master and a ton of other channels
[05:21] <hydrogen> needles: ^
[05:21] <needles> hydrogen: thanks
[05:21] <navets> compiz-fusion is really buggy for me, where can I get the repo for beryl
[05:22] <Dr_willis> navets,  as far as i know Beryl is dead.
[05:22] <diomedes> I installed xserver-xgl to get compiz working but it hosed my desktop setup badly, soon as I removed it was back to normal does it use its own conf?
[05:22] <scheater6> jerbear: hmmm...it's second from the right on mine and always has been - I'm looking at it now and it's "Master Mono" not mastermono
[05:22] <scheater6> *left - second from the left
[05:22] <jerbear> i see neither, but we probably have different sound cards
[05:22] <hydrogen> I don't believe that.
[05:23] <hydrogen> everyone has the same hardware
[05:23] <hydrogen> its what makes linux so easy to support
[05:23] <scheater6> jerbear: I was hoping the main windows was universal across soundcards.  I see that's not the case
[05:23] <navets> Dr_willis: I was using it today, I removed it to try and fix compiz-fusion bug , but it didn't help
[05:23] <hydrogen> oh wait.. I'm confusing it with Mac O$ x
[05:23] <jerbear> what i mean is that my driver is emu10k1 (audigy)... he's going to see different channels unless he has a similar sound card
[05:23] <Dr_willis> navets,  id say just remove it.. and leave it removed. :)
[05:24] <navets> Dr_willis: i liked it :(
[05:24] <scheater6> jerbear: well, the way I found out that was the problem with my setup was by muting everything and unmuting one channel at a time until I found a setup that worked.
[05:24] <scheater6> jerbear: if you can't do it exactly as I did, perhaps you can use my method
[05:24] <navets> Dr_willis: humm is there a way to get rid of everything beryl from my system then?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> navets,  i never had beryl installed. I did a clean install.
[05:25] <Dr_willis> navets,  i was thinking the 'upgrade' removed beryl.
[05:25] <navets> Dr_willis: k, im gonna look into it
[05:31] <helloyo> i gave ubuntu a try yesterday, i can't stand gnome anymore. i love simplicity, but its not simple... its just... bad
[05:31] <robin_> why wont firefox 2008 work with java
[05:32] <n8k99> firefox 2008?
[05:32] <robin_> ya, 2006 was fine i took the upgrade
[05:32] <robin_> thats the 63bit ver
[05:32] <robin_> 64
[05:32] <n8k99> um firefox doesn
[05:32] <n8k99> 't number by the year
[05:33] <robin_> 2.006
[05:34] <Dhraakellian> are there any known issues with the Alternate install disc with LVM?
[05:35] <needles> how do you unmount a mounted partition?
[05:36] <khatahn> hi, there was some kind of desktop search application in kubuntu when i installed the Beta version. however, now with the latest updates it seems to have disappeared. is it just me or was it disabled somehow?
[05:36] <tds> needles, umount
[05:36] <tds> khatahn, strigi?
[05:36]  * Dhraakellian tries the rescue option
[05:37] <Jucato> khatahn: just disabled by default. you can run strigi-applet or add a Strigi search applet in the panel or go to strigi:/ in Konqueror
[05:37]  * Dhraakellian is looking forward to Kubuntu and having (relatively) decent graphics performance again
[05:37] <Dhraakellian> Suse didn't seem to do a very good job with my Radeon Mobility U1
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. thers a slash dot artucal about Gusty being better then Vista.. and it has a Vista Advertisement in it...
[05:37] <Dr_willis> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/23/1929249&from=rss
[05:38] <khatahn> actually i would just like to make sure that it really is completely disabled :)
[05:38] <needles> tds: thanks
[05:38] <tds> yeah, i don't use desktop search apps, seems a waste of resources. i know where all my crap's at anyhow
[05:39] <tds> Dr_willis, ads, i remember those. i use no-script and ad-block so it's been a while
[05:40] <tds> khatahn, did you try apt-get remove strigi? or use the graphical aptitude manager?
[05:40] <strtok_> anyone have a favorite alternative to konsole that lets you control-click URls? (to launch firefox)
[05:41] <nite613__> I've got a nice KDE theme that I really like, and would like to see it reflected in firefox. I have the "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" button checked, but FX doesn't seem to be picking it up
[05:41] <khatahn> tds: i don't mind it being installed, kubuntu-desktop probably depends on it anyway(?), just trying to make sure it's not running in any way without me knowing about it
[05:41] <tds> strtok_, i think yakuake does that, not sure. it hides in the desktop and push f12 and it comes down. kind of neat but konsole works fine for me
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Yakuake is handy
[05:42] <yareckon_> hi guys, if this is off topic, please direct me to the right place to ask my question, but perhaps  you can help
[05:42] <Dr_willis> i always have a konsole open however. :)
[05:42] <tds> khatahn, go to system settings, advanced, and it may be in "system services"
[05:42] <Jucato> strtok_: Konsole 4 will have that. but you might want to use this workaround: right-click on klipper and Enable Actions
[05:42] <Jucato> tds: it's not a system service
[05:43] <khatahn> tds: i think i've looked for it there before..
[05:43] <khatahn> ah
[05:43] <yareckon_> I'm currently running an ubuntu gnome desktop, but I want to use kde apps as well, but they aren't launching
[05:43] <tds> khatahn, i have it safely uninstalled
[05:43] <Jucato> khatahn: Ctrl+Esc to check if it's running or not. or you can just remove the .desktop file for strigi in /usr/share/autostart/ or edit it no to start on login
[05:43] <Dr_willis> yareckon_,  ya should be able to run kde and gnome apps side by side
[05:43] <yareckon_> I get amarok's splash screen, but no window, konqueror, kontact, and kword show up in the process list, but don't create windows
[05:43] <Dr_willis> yareckon_,  run one from the terminal and see if you see any error messages
[05:44] <yareckon_> I do on my other box, so I know it's possible
[05:44] <yareckon_> ok, will do
[05:44] <tds> nite613__, if you have firefox themes going, they will overwrite your kde theme
[05:44] <Dr_willis> i wonder if it may be a compiz issue.
[05:44] <diomedes> can you theme just the panel?
[05:44]  * Dr_willis wonders about EVERYTHING if its a compiz issue...
[05:44] <khatahn> Jucato: ok, thanks
[05:44]  * Dhraakellian thinks the first install attempt got confused by his LVM setup
[05:46] <yareckon_> ok, when launching from the terminal, it looks like the app goign to work (my cursor moves down to the next line), but everything stops there
[05:46] <yareckon_> the app shows up in the gnome process list as sleeping
[05:46] <yareckon_> and just hangs out until I reboot
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Freaky. You using Gnome right now?
[05:47] <yareckon_> I have installed "kubuntu desktop" to make sure it's not a missing dependency
[05:47] <yareckon_> yeah
[05:47] <Dr_willis> yareckon_,  dose kde work properly by itself?
[05:47] <tds> yareckon_, do you have kdelibs and other kde dependents installed?
[05:47] <yareckon_> tds, I think so
[05:48] <yareckon_> Dr_willis, I can switch to kdm, reboot and see
[05:48] <Dr_willis> you dont need to reboot or switch to kdm,
[05:48] <nite613__> tds: Maybe that's it.... I'll investigate
[05:48] <Dr_willis> you can logout, and slect kde session
[05:48] <yareckon_> I haven't tried creating a new user, which was my next step
[05:48] <yareckon_> ok
[05:48] <Dr_willis> or use tje
[05:48] <yareckon_> from gdm screen?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Tjeres the login in as a new user thing ya can have kde and gnome both going at same time
[05:49] <Dr_willis> the Session menu on GDM screen lets ya pick kde
[05:49] <tds> nite613__, also if you think the firefox buttons are ugly, search for "firefox widgets" and there's a few apps that will change those to something more aesthetic
[05:49] <yareckon_> ok, I'll obviously be gone for a bit, I'll let you know what happens
[05:49] <Dr_willis> try logging in as a new user. :_ ya wont leave at all. heh
[05:50] <yareckon_> oh, fast user switching, that's true
[05:50] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl F7 and F8 to get to the alternative desktopp
[05:51] <needles> Dr_willis: i didnt know you could do that
[05:52] <Dr_willis> needles,  fancy new feature eh? :)
[05:52] <nite613__> tds: The firefox theme is set to the default. I dont' see any way to turn them completely off. I'm fine with the buttoms, I just want my colour scheme and styles
[05:52] <needles> Dr_willis: yeah
[05:54] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[05:54] <Dhraakellian> so, will the Kubuntu 8.04 LiveCD installer support LVM?
[05:55] <tds> nite613__, kde color schemes don't apply to firefox, just maybe the title bar. you'll just have to find the firefox theme closest to yours. there's plenty of nice ones out there
[05:56] <scott_> I have an external harddrive which I can't write to without being root, how can I change this?
[05:57] <nite613__> Do I need to install a gtk theme in FX or something? Turn on gtk-qt somehow?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> scott_,  and what filesystem is on the drive?
[05:57] <needles> scott_: mount it to something
[05:57] <yareckon_> ok, I'm back
[05:57] <scott_> Dr_willis: it is vfat
[05:57] <Dr_willis> scott_,  create a proper fstab entry for it with the 'user
[05:57] <yareckon_> kde apps work just fine under kde  or gnome with a new user account
[05:57] <Dr_willis> 'user' option and the propler 'umask' option
[05:58] <yareckon_> so my current account is fooked, bummer
[05:58] <Dr_willis> yareckon_,  weird. could rename the gnome config dirs.
[05:58] <scott_> Dr_willis: I don't completely follow
[05:58] <Dr_willis> and let gnome remake them
[05:58] <tds> nite613__, go to tools, add-ons, in firefox and it'll take you to the themes
[05:58] <Dr_willis> !fstab
[05:58] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:59] <yareckon_> when kde apps are a guest on gnome, do they share anything that might have gotten messed up?  I see a .kde directory
[05:59] <nite613__> tds: I found that. Solved my problem by loging out and back in to kde
[05:59] <scott_> Dr_willis: my fstab says the following for this drive /dev/sdb1 /media/MYBOOK vfat uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,users 0 0
[05:59] <Dr_willis> scott_,  you dont want those uid/gid
[06:00] <yareckon_> it's the lack of any error messages that is leaving me guessing
[06:00] <Dr_willis> that may be the whole problem
[06:00] <yareckon_> thanks for the help guys
[06:00] <Dr_willis> You could use uid/gid of 1000 or whtever the gid/uid is for your user
[06:00] <scott_> Dr_willis: ok, thanks
[06:01] <jarn> Woot, I'm running Gutsy now.
[06:03] <kristen> IRC is a strange and hostile place... o.o;
[06:04] <Dr_willis> !botsnack
[06:04] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:04] <temppppp> hello everyone from snowy Siberia !
[06:04] <tds> kristen, been to yahoo chat? don't even get me started
[06:04] <Dr_willis> Yahoo Chat... heh heh.. what a joke..
[06:04] <Dr_willis> the 'see my webcam spam chat'
[06:05] <tds> it's the Jerry Springer of online chat
[06:05] <temppppp> Cam everyone help me with set upping printer ?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> temppppp,  and what printer is this?
[06:06] <kristen> No, no yahoo chat. Ye gods, I haven't chatted on anything but IM for at least 8 years.
[06:06] <temppppp> it's HP Laser Jet 3015
[06:07] <Dr_willis> temppppp,  what have you done to confgure it?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> i plugedin my printers and it poped up the dialogs and let me confiogre  it. :)
[06:07] <temppppp> Situation: I have a Kubuntu and Ubuntu in one network with Windows which has shared Printer
[06:07] <kristen> Local printer: Easy. Networked printer: beating with chicken wire. >_>
[06:08] <Dr_willis> NOW you get to the real info. :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> network printer with samba should be easy
[06:08] <temppppp> I tried to use native tools, but Linuxes doesnot see a Windows printer
[06:08] <temppppp>  Windows in an Domain
[06:08] <Dr_willis> you have any othe rshares on the windows box?
[06:08] <temppppp> year
[06:08] <Dr_willis> can it access them?
[06:09] <temppppp> I can see and can access to windows, I can see a folders
[06:09] <Dr_willis> You may need to set up samba and give the linux user a samba password. I always share my printers the other way. Letting them be on the linux box. and windows accesses them
[06:09] <temppppp> I read that in samba I need the same working group as in Windows , is it right ?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Yep.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> I think so
[06:10] <Dr_willis> It sounds liek windows may not be set to share the printer publicaly
[06:11] <temppppp> Yeah, when i try to access windwows printer from other windows I need to enter a password and login , then I can share this printer succesfully
[06:11] <tds> can someone tell me how to completely get rid of samba? any time i uninstall, even with purge, my settings are back?
[06:11] <Dr_willis> temppppp,  Yep. thats why i  think its a 'public' thing. :)
[06:11] <temppppp> Printer is share to other but not in the guest mode
[06:11] <Jucato> tds: what do you mean by "my settings are back"?
[06:12] <tds> Jucato, i mean, the smb.conf seems the same
[06:13] <temppppp> by the way, SWAT needs an apache?
[06:13] <Jucato> where is smb.conf located? (not sure if apt removes system config files that have been modified)
[06:13] <Jucato> tds: ^^^^
[06:13] <temppppp> I installed swat, but apache was not install by dependencies
[06:13] <tds> Jucato, yes, it was modified. I guess I should've removed it manually
[06:13] <Dr_willis> dont use swat.. thers better tools out there now a days
[06:14] <Dr_willis> !find ksamba
[06:14]  * Dhraakellian waits for the second install attempt to finish chugging away
[06:14] <ubotu> Package/file ksamba does not exist in gutsy
[06:14] <needles> ok, i just freshly installed gutsy, and yet its telling me theres a new version i can upgrade to...gutsy
[06:14] <Dr_willis> the workgroup is one line in the samba config file.
[06:14] <needles> so im on gutsy, and its saying i can uprgrade to gutsy
[06:15] <Dr_willis> needles,  do a update/upgrade.. and let it run..  may be some uodates
[06:15] <temppppp> ok thanks
[06:15] <posingaspopular> needles: or its a bug
[06:15] <temppppp> I'll try
[06:15] <Dr_willis>  the upgrade button has a bit of a bug :) says its a upgrade when its done
[06:15] <Jucato> needles: it's a known bug
[06:15] <tds> what do you guys think of my color scheme i just uploaded? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Blackened?content=68365
[06:15] <needles> Jucato: im just going to ignore it
[06:16] <Jucato> Dr_willis: it's telling him to upgrade to gutys, no that there are just updates :)
[06:16] <xo> hi, just install kubuntu 7.10, and i couldnt find compiz fusion and firefox, also printer is not automaticaly detected when it pluged in, im wondering if the feature is acctually there
[06:16] <Jucato> !compiz | xo
[06:16] <ubotu> xo: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:16] <Jucato> FAQ #1 strikes again!
[06:17] <Dr_willis> hay! thats my line! :)
[06:17] <kristen> I don't suppose anyone here could tell me why, when all my setting _seem_ to be correct, the new ATI 8.42 driver simply will not enable direct rendering?
[06:17] <Jucato> xo: you must be thinking about Ubuntu, not Kubuntu. Kubuntu doesn't have Firefox installed bydefault
[06:17] <tds> needles, are you using the beta? i was using gutsy beta and upgraded when it told me. now it's supposed officially gutsy RC
[06:17] <Jucato> tds: no it's really a known bug
[06:18] <xo> ai ai, thankx for the info
[06:18] <needles> tds: i just downloaded the iso off kubuntu.org
[06:18] <needles> so i assume is RC
[06:18] <needles> brb
[06:18] <Jucato> it's not RC. it's stable
[06:18] <Jucato> tds: RC = Release *Candidate*
[06:18] <Dr_willis> RC = Really Cool.
[06:18] <Jucato> well that too... but an RC release isn't RC :P
[06:19] <tds> as RC, i meant, official Gutsy...non-beta
[06:19] <Jucato> that's not RC :)
[06:19] <Jucato> that's Final release. or GM (Gold Master)
[06:19] <tds> Jucato, what is it then?
[06:19] <tds> oh, ok
[06:19] <Jucato> RC = Release Canditate = the release *before* final release. it's still a candidate
[06:20] <tds> Jucato, i don't quite understand that. if it's not good enough for release, may as well be called a beta
[06:21] <Jucato> Alpha -> Beta -> RC -> Final
[06:21] <Jucato> that's the usual flow of releases
[06:21] <Jucato> it's not like Ubuntu started that
[06:21] <_Pete_> morning!
[06:21] <Dhraakellian> whew
[06:21] <posingaspopular> we should rename it to really cool though, so people know whats up
[06:21] <Dhraakellian> it appears to be working this time
[06:21] <_Pete_> anyone else having problems with clipboard copy/paste
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Not heard of any complaints _Pete_
[06:22] <Dr_willis> clarify the problem perhaps?
[06:22] <Xacarith> hal storage fixed mount all options refused uid 1000
[06:22] <_Pete_> well.. when I try to copy paste
[06:22] <_Pete_> the paste isnt working
[06:22] <Dhraakellian> because there's a chance, however extremely remote, that the RC might just be suitable for use as the final release version
[06:22] <Dr_willis> _Pete_,  you mean Text? or files in the Dolphin file manager?
[06:22] <_Pete_> between different progs
[06:22] <_Pete_> text
[06:23] <Jucato> tds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_candidate#Release_candidate and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate
[06:23] <Xacarith> Why does kde have such issues with managing my other hard drives?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> Might want to check the klipper settings.
[06:23] <_Pete_> like trying to c/p url from konsole -> other program (konsole, kopete)
[06:23] <_Pete_> it worked fine couple of day ago
[06:23] <yareckon> hi kids, thanks for you help before... I've solved the issue in my user, and wanted to report back  Dr_willis
[06:23] <_Pete_> but then some upgrades come and problems started
[06:23] <yareckon> permissions or temp files were probably the issue
[06:24] <_Pete_> and I havent changed any setting for that
[06:24] <yareckon> following instructions here
[06:24] <yareckon> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/susenovell-60/error-could-not-start-kstartupconfig.-328302/
[06:24] <_Pete_> YY
[06:24] <Dr_willis> _Pete_,  interesting.  Ive not heard of any others with the problem
[06:24] <_Pete_> that YY is when I trie to copy URL from firefox
[06:24] <yareckon> I chown -R my whole user dir to repair permissions
[06:24] <_Pete_> which should be: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/chatirc
[06:25] <Xacarith> any one?
[06:25] <yareckon> blew away everything in /tmp
[06:25] <_Pete_> in klipper when I do Edit
[06:25] <_Pete_> its already screwed up
[06:25] <tds> Jucato, so what's with programmers doing the 1.48372 thing? why not version 1 or 2 or maybe 1.1 or 1.2 at the most?
[06:25] <_Pete_> like some 2 unprintable character
[06:25] <yareckon> and kde will log in as well as kde apps will now launch under gnome
[06:25] <yareckon> happy ending, thanks for commisserating
[06:25] <Jucato> tds: never seen a program w/ that version number yet :)
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> tds: because version numbers reflect actual versioning
[06:26] <Jucato> also different people/projects use different numbering/versioning schemes
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's usually something like <IP_ADDRESS> (if even that long)
[06:27] <_Pete_> yes seems to be same copy/paste problem occurs between every app
[06:27] <Jucato> but nothing like "1.48372"
[06:27] <tds> Daisuke_Ido, so if they make one-tenth of a change, it goes up to version 1.1? is there an official version numbering scheme accepted?
[06:27] <_Pete_> very annoying
[06:27] <_Pete_> any ideas where even start to seek solution
[06:27] <Jucato> tds: nope. it's quite arbitrary
[06:27] <Jucato> tds: it might be 1.1.1 or 1.1-1
[06:27] <tds> Jucato, kind of thought so
[06:27] <Jucato> and has nothing to do with the earlier scheme of Alpha, Beta, RC, Final :)
[06:28] <posingaspopular> it's all psychological
[06:28] <_Pete_> maybe do something with wierd behaviour yesterday
[06:29] <_Pete_> I was already using kubuntu 7.10 before last thursday but the system upgrade notification occured only yesterday and started to do upgrade
[06:29] <_Pete_> even it already was
[06:29] <Dr_willis> .1 does not mean 1/tenth in version #'s :)
[06:29] <_Pete_> in prosess some packages where actually upgrade
[06:29] <_Pete_> d
[06:30] <_Pete_> and after that very many was marked "not used any more"
[06:31]  * Xacarith frowns then sighs "Hard drive management seems to be kde's weakest point...
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> Xacarith: i would have thought falling this far behind ubuntu in printer management was weak...  never had much issue with hdd management
[06:34] <ackbahr> Hi! Feisty Fawn here. When I unplug my laptop from its power source, it goes to "suspend"; no setting specifies this, and I don't want it of course! Could someone help me?
[06:36] <Xacarith> Well, I've not done any printing from kde.  Had no issue plugging in a printer and printing out something over on gnome  And I have yet to get my one hard drive mounted any where...
[06:37] <needles> audacious is still being supported isnt it?
[06:37] <needles> unlike xmms
[06:37] <wilson> Xacarith: what do you mean by trouble managing hard drives ?
[06:37] <Daisuke_Ido> needles: correct
[06:38] <Daisuke_Ido> Xacarith: what filesystem?
[06:38] <_dns_> how do I change (relax) the password settings in relation to the password strength?
[06:38] <Dr_willis> I dident think GNOME or KDE managed the drives it was the HAL stuff that managed the AUTOMOUNTING of drives.
[06:38] <Dr_willis> You could always manage them by hand by editing the fstab
[06:38] <wilson> yeah, i've got no idea what he means
[06:39] <Dr_willis> as for printer mangement.. gusty has seen/poped up dialogs and auto set up my 2 printers so far. :)
[06:39] <Dr_willis> of course with windows.. i had to go to the hp.com web site and run their tool to find the riught drivers.. then do as 127mb download for the hp printer....
[06:39] <sub[t]rnl> how d
[06:40] <Xacarith> Well I can't get my other hard drive to mount
[06:40] <needles> whats the library to watch avi, mpeg, wma etc
[06:40] <needles> with kmplayer?
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install vlc :D
[06:41] <Dr_willis> !find kubuntu-restricted
[06:41] <ubotu> Found: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:41] <Dr_willis> !info  kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:41] <ubotu> kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[06:41] <needles> Daisuke_: heh, thats somewhat what i was going to do
[06:41] <Dr_willis> needles,  i always install that  kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:41] <Dr_willis> I think it might have a lot of the codecs
[06:42] <Dr_willis> its a meta-package - it installs a lot of the extras people want
[06:42] <needles> Dr_willis: ill get it a go
[06:42] <needles> Dr_willis: im setting up my system to how i had it before the upgrade incident
[06:42] <Dr_willis> It has java and flash and other brower things i recall also
[06:42] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  you could just mount the thing manually
[06:43] <Xacarith> daisuke_ido It's formanted in ntfs
[06:43] <Xacarith> dr_willis I tried, keep getting error messages
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  and whats the error message?
[06:44] <Xacarith> hal storage fixed mount all options refused uid 1000 is one of them under dolphin
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  sample fstab engtry for my ntfs drive using ntfs-3g -->>   /dev/hda5 /media/winstorage ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  and what did you do exactly that gave that error message?
[06:44] <Xacarith> Told it to mount the drive
[06:44] <Dr_willis> told it HOW.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> I am saying Manually Mount them from the shell...
[06:45] <Dr_willis> dont use the gui/filemanager tools. thats the 'user' mounting them.  Use the konsole and  the mount command to mount them.
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> did you just say "Computer, I'd...  like you to mount a hard drive for me."
[06:45] <Dr_willis> "Sorry Dave, im afraid i cant do that...."
[06:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:45] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[06:46] <Dr_willis> "Mount the Drive Hal!"
[06:46] <Xacarith> No, there was a thing that said mount so I licked on it and got an error  Now with kde control module I get  something about windows.... Hmm...
[06:46] <sub[t]rnl> don't lick it!
[06:46]  * Xacarith has to try something
[06:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:46] <dthacker> "Will I dream, Dave?"
[06:46] <redoo> hy@all
[06:46] <Xacarith> I would never have thought windows being hibernated would mater much
[06:46] <ackbahr> Bahh, licking ones screen....
[06:47] <Dr_willis> Xacarith,  you set it up to use ntfs-3g? Check the fstab file see if thers an entry for the drive in question.  if you know its /dev/NAME
[06:48] <Dr_willis> layers of toubleshooting. :) when in doubt fall back to the lower layers.
[06:48] <needles> oooh, kmplayer is nice
[06:52] <sam64> does anyone know of a good audio visualization that can run as a desktop background?
[06:53] <DeadJones> anyone have issues with upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10?  its stalled out on me twice now
[06:53] <Dr_willis> Night all.
[06:54] <tds> DeadJones, It stalled on me once but after a reboot, successfully upgraded. But I was using Gutsy beta
[06:55] <DeadJones> so i guess i'll be screwed next time i reboot?
[06:55] <DeadJones> i'd really rather avoid a full install. i have things just the way i like them
[06:58] <dsmith_> hi two things, I need to incease my resolution. According to lspci I have a Intel 945GM, also my sound is not working
[07:03] <sub[t]rnl> dsmith_: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[07:03] <sub[t]rnl> dsmith_: then reconfigure your xorg.conf to allow high resolutions. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or do it by hand
[07:04] <sub[t]rnl> !resolution
[07:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:04] <dsmith_> ok thanks... this is a panasonic CF-51 running 7.10
[07:04] <dsmith_> thx alot
[07:05] <dsmith_> I;ll do that
[07:06] <dsmith_> ok #1 is already installed
[07:09] <_Pete_> btw, find the problem for clipboard problems
[07:09] <_Pete_> I was running XP in vbox background
[07:09] <_Pete_> somehow that messes it up
[07:10] <_Pete_> wierd
[07:13] <tharun> Hi, is there any way I can recover a bunch of files off of a CD? The CD is readable, but some files are corrupt. These Corrupt files are family photos (.jpgs and .avis) which I want to file using DigiKam. My father decided these can be entrusted to CD-Rs of dubious quality. Now, accessing the files is becoming problematic. I want to get all the files off this "backup solution" ASAP. Please help!
[07:17] <tharun> Does anyone know how to recover data from a old CDR?
[07:17] <edenbeast> dvdisaster
[07:18] <edenbeast> or if it's on certain files only use dd with conv=noerror
[07:19] <contrast83> Gutsy's the first release where I haven't felt a strong compulsion to change the wallpaper and color scheme in the first five minutes of use.
[07:19]  * contrast83 applauds the artwork team
[07:19] <edenbeast> like dd if=/path/to/your/file of=/home/mine/output/file.jpg conv=noerror
[07:20] <tds> tharun, apt-cache search cd recovery
[07:21] <edenbeast> oh and sticking it into the fridge has actually helped for me already so some of those urban myths sometime come true by accident it seems :P
[07:22] <tharun> thanks guys, will check back with the results
[07:22] <edenbeast> just make sure to do the fridge thing last ;-)
[07:23] <tharun> ok... was walking over to the fridge right now as I thought HARDware might help mre than software
[07:24] <tharun> :)
[07:24] <edenbeast> tharun it must've been something else I used in the past, not dvdisaster I'll check if I can still find it in my bookmarks
[07:26] <edenbeast> the dd trick works though I can attest to that since it has saved much data on a few dozens of cds for me :-s
[07:30] <crazy_bus> anyone here that can help me get dvb-t to play in kaffeine?
[07:35] <Xacarith> Well that fixed one issue....  Though I hate booting into windows.  It has a nasty lag on start up with this video card  But at least it boots up every time now....  But I still have an issue with linux reading my 80G hdd
[07:36] <edenbeast> tharun: this is what I used http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html  and I must say I found this in my bookmarks which may be useful for your purpose but I never used it before so I can't attest to its effectiveness: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[07:37]  * Xacarith is also being told there is an upgrade available to 7.10.....  But he already upgraded?
[07:38] <Xacarith> I think some one else was having that issue...
[07:39] <Waaaodd> hello
[07:39] <Waaaodd> :D
[07:39] <Waaaodd> Anybody here/
[07:39] <Xacarith> I am...  Not sure why though
[07:39] <Waaaodd> xD
[07:39] <Waaaodd> stay cool
[07:40] <tharun> edenbeast: ty I found that when I was looking though info on dd. Will try that too :)
[07:40] <Xacarith> Soon it will be more like stay warm
[07:40] <Waaaodd> i have live cd kubunty... it is possible to instal beryl on  live?
[07:40] <Waaaodd> ?
[07:41] <Xacarith> Not sure, but you could try..  I installed file sharing components  before
[07:41] <Waaaodd> kk
[07:41]  * Xacarith is noe expert though
[07:41] <Xacarith> "But no one else is talking
[07:41] <Waaaodd> kk
[07:41] <tharun> Waaodd: if you have an ati card, you might have to use download the restricted drivers, since their open source drivers dont support XGL.
[07:41] <Waaaodd> end of the lesson :/
[07:42] <Waaaodd> cyaa
[07:42] <Xacarith> didn't work?
[07:42] <tharun> Waaaodd: ati card?
[07:50]  * Xacarith sighs "Maybe my 80G will work when I remove some partitions...
[07:58] <Rebecca_work> can someone please point me to a good guide for getting compiz working on kubuntu 7.10 please? thanks :)
[07:58] <gunMan_>  hi. is it possible to see how much ram is reserved to a process and increase this amount?
[07:59] <jtmoney> Rebecca_work: try www.kubuntu.org click wiki, type compiz... use the compiz fusion tutorial (i think)
[07:59] <jtmoney> Rebecca_work: should be a matter of installing the binary drivers (for nvidia/ati), apt-getting compiz, running compiz
[07:59] <esperegu> bonan matenon
[08:00] <jtmoney> unless you're using certain types of ATI cards (like the one on my laptop, the mobility 200 or whatever)
[08:00] <xevious> !compiz
[08:00] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:01] <Rebecca_work> thanks jtmoney and xevious
[08:01] <xevious> np
[08:05] <kraut> moin
[08:08] <khatahn> nice, i hope compiz never will be shipped with kubuntu ;)
[08:08] <soa2ii> Hi there! Is 12:00 a.m. 12:00 a.m. or 0:00 p.m. or both?
[08:09] <soa2ii> I mean lunch-time
[08:09] <||arifaX> soa2ii: 0:00pm is not valid
[08:09] <soa2ii> Oh... OK
[08:09] <soa2ii> So 12:00 a.m.
[08:10] <soa2ii> weird time schema...
[08:11] <mojo_> ne1 else still gettin the version upgrade button in adept after goin 2 7.10?
[08:13] <Jucato> mojo_: known bug
[08:13] <||arifaX> soa2ii: 0:00 = 12:00am, am is until 11:59am then it is 12:00 - 23:59 pm
[08:14] <pagan0ne> hey, im having a problem with kwalletmanager, kopete, and gutsy... i cant seem to get kwalletmanager to load anymore....
[08:15] <soa2ii> thanks
[08:15] <pagan0ne> anyone?
[08:16] <Dhraakellian> how would I double check to see what version of Kubuntu I'm running
[08:16] <Dhraakellian> ?
[08:16] <pagan0ne> Dhraakellian:  lsb_release -a
[08:16] <pagan0ne> in terminal
[08:16] <Dhraakellian> since I just installed (what I thought was) 7.10, and adept upgrade is telling me that "A new distribution version is available!"
[08:17] <pagan0ne> Dhraakellian: its a known bug, ignore it
[08:17] <Dhraakellian> okay
[08:17] <mojo_> Dhraakellian: ur not alone...;)
[08:18] <Dhraakellian> hmm... volume buttons don't work.  They didn't work when I installed from the Xubuntu 7.04 alt CD either
[08:18] <pagan0ne> anyone have any idea why kwallermanager doesnt work in gutsy after a upgrade from feisty? kopete wont login as kwalletmanager wont provide the keys....
[08:18] <Dhraakellian> they did work when I installed from the Ubuntu 6.04 LiveCD
[08:18]  * Dhraakellian wonders why this is
[08:18] <esperegu> is this normal: The application 'DCOPServer' has requested access to the open wallet 'kdewallet'
[08:18] <esperegu> ???
[08:18] <Dhraakellian> a difference between Alt and Live?  between Ubuntu and the other *buntus?
[08:19] <esperegu> Dhraakellian: Alt is only for installinc
[08:19] <esperegu> Live you can run from CD.
[08:19] <Dhraakellian> esperegu: not what I'm asking
[08:19] <esperegu> and it has a desktop item to install
[08:19] <||arifaX> Dhraakellian: the alternate cd has a non graphical installer if you have problem getting the live cd to run and needs less than 320mb ram (for gutsy)
[08:19] <esperegu> As far as I know they are the same
[08:19] <Dhraakellian> I know that difference