[10:06] <aapzak> haha, I was switching konsoles and I saw your line coming in while I looked at the switcher, kewl
[10:06] <Muzer> wow :p
[10:06] <Muzer> the download site doesn't work on IE
[10:06] <Muzer> (that is what is on the only computer where the burner works)
[10:07] <favro> Muzer: which site please?
[10:07] <favro> a link?
[10:07] <Muzer> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[10:07] <Muzer> clicking the download button does nothing
[10:07] <Muzer> for me
[10:08] <Muzer> (just having to download on another computer and then transfer via SMB which doesn't work properly)
[10:08] <jimmy__> oin galera
[10:09] <aapzak> ok, going to reboot for XAA
[10:09] <jimmy__> to com alguenm tem a ultima verçao do gyachi/
[10:10] <nlefk83> hello ! quick question : should i upgrade my 8.04 installation to 8.10 or will it get messy ? :)
[10:10] <jimmy__> oi galerinha  to com um gyachi desatualisado alguem tem a verçao mais nova?
[10:10] <favro> jimmy__: it's english in here pls
[10:11] <favro> !pt
[10:11] <Muzer> if you have /home on a differnent partition, I would reformat the kubuntu partition and reinstall, but I see no reason why an upgrade wouldn't work
[10:11] <jimmy__> ok
[10:11] <favro> np :)
[10:12] <favro> !jp | jimmy__
[10:13] <faileas> er
[10:13] <ardchoille> heh, someone's already voted my idea up
[10:13] <faileas> o0
[10:14] <OpenSorce> grrr....youtube has no sound :-(
[10:15] <jussi01> ardchoille: give me a link...
[10:15] <jussi01> OpenSorce: there was a note about no sound in flash in the release notes, 1 sec
[10:15] <ardchoille> jussi01:  http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/15048/
[10:16] <OpenSorce> had to point vlc and mplayer to the right device (/dev/dsp1, /dev/dsp2) I wonder how I do that with flash....
[10:16] <favro> jussi01: did you see this from Muzer? - Muzer> the download site doesn't work on IE
[10:16] <jussi01> OpenSorce: insttall libasound2-plugins
[10:16] <frafra> how to install openoffice3 on kubuntu 8.10 x86_64?
[10:16] <jussi01> favro: I did...
[10:16] <favro> k
[10:17] <OpenSorce> Yeah, it did that when it installed the flash player
[10:18] <ardchoille> jussi01: did you just do that? :)
[10:19] <OpenSorce> Okay....I'm going to assume that a new user is not going to have two audio devices and that this wouldn't normally happen
[10:19] <jussi01> OpenSorce: from the intrepid FAQ: If for some reason you don't have sound with Flash in Ubuntu, make sure you have libasound2-plugins installed. Log out and back in, and it should work.
[10:19] <OpenSorce> I didn't log out....lemme try that, brb
[10:19] <jussi01> OpenSorce: also, try doing: asoundconf list
[10:19] <OpenSorce> kk, we'll try that next
[10:19] <jussi01> and then asoundconf set-default-card <cardname>
[10:20] <jussi01> OpenSorce: also there is a audio device ordering system in system settings -sounds
[10:20] <OpenSorce> cardname or device location (/dev/***)?
[10:20] <ardchoille> I like this Brain Storm, they even give you a graphic to help promote your idea
[10:20] <OpenSorce> Yeah, I have that setup right
[10:20] <ardchoille> Nice
[10:20] <jussi01> OpenSorce: cardname - from the asoundconf list command
[10:20] <OpenSorce> right :-P
[10:20] <jussi01> :d
[10:20] <OpenSorce> gonna try logging out first...brb
[10:21] <jussi01> ok
[10:21] <aapzak> ok, just tested XAA. mplayer won't work if I use XAA
[10:21] <aapzak> and I saw no noticable increasement of frames with glxgears
[10:22] <aapzak> do you guys also have scrambled tray icons?
[10:22] <aapzak> and ugly backgrounds?
[10:23] <OpenSorce> *crossing fingers*
[10:24] <OpenSorce> nope....okay, trying with the asoundconf
[10:25] <OpenSorce> jussi01, sudo?
[10:25] <jussi01> OpenSorce: with asoundconf? no.
[10:25] <frafra> how to set a non-default theme for gtk apps in kde4? every gtk app is ugly :(
[10:25] <OpenSorce> k
[10:26] <aapzak> gtk have been, always will
[10:26] <jussi01> !info gtk-qt-engine | frafra
[10:26] <aapzak> always have been, always wil
[10:29] <aapzak> anyone know how to get rid of the balloons on incoming kopete messages?
[10:29] <emelie> is there a easy way to see if i have a graphic card driver installed?
[10:31] <emelie> i think there is something wrong. becouse i can not have a higher screen size then 1280 x 800
[10:32] <emelie> on my desktop. i have a ATI mobility radeon x700.
[10:32] <DeathMoroz> autoupdate kde3->kde4 suxx
[10:33] <DeathMoroz> ^(
[10:33] <DeathMoroz> i've created new user.
[10:33] <favro> !ati | emelie
[10:34] <favro> emelie: it might just be using the basic ati driver from xorg
[10:35] <DeathMoroz> people, how can I show on Desktop any folder? i have not such widget
[10:35] <emelie> the computer crashed.
[10:35] <faileas> is it just me or are updates exuciatingly slow today?
[10:35] <favro> bummer
[10:35] <faileas> 1 day + for a 30 meg file
[10:36] <favro> faileas: the servers will be busy for a few days with folks moving to ibex
[10:36] <emelie> is there a swedish channel for kubuntu?
[10:36] <favro> !se
[10:36] <emelie> favro: thanks
[10:36] <favro> np :)
[10:36] <favro> hehe
[10:37] <jussi01> faileas: yes, the load is heavy because of relase...
[10:37] <OpenSorce> grrr...why'd they have to break updatedb
[10:37] <favro> OpenSorce: try installing   locate
[10:37] <OpenSorce> locate works
[10:38] <Dedi> i got mem leaks like hell, still (hoped will be fixed with release)
[10:38] <Dedi> kde is cool, the first 30min until the leaks begin
[10:39] <Dedi> plasma leaking, kwin leaking, X leaking (throuth a kde thing.. runs fine with gnome)
[10:40] <Dedi> ah and kmail.. leaks too :>
[10:40] <Dedi> or kio_imap4, dunno whats it from the both
[10:42] <favro> Dedi: as a check did you do the md5 check on your install cd or did you upgrade the os?
[10:42] <Dedi> had intrepid before
[10:42] <martinjh99> Morning all - Looking for Caps Lock indicator plasmoid for 901EEE any ideas?
[10:43] <favro> must of started intrepid from somewhere...
[10:43] <Dedi> all relevant packages got replaced, was with 4.0, 4.1 and now still with 4.1.2
[10:43] <favro> k
[10:43] <Dedi> i think with 4.1 i made a config reset
[10:46] <favro> Dedi: a config reset - could you explain that process please?
[10:46] <Dedi> basicly removed my homedir :)
[10:46] <Dedi> specific it was .kde4 .kde .config folder
[10:46] <martinjh99> Favro - in your gome directory rm -fr .kde would reset kde without losing anything else in your home
[10:47] <martinjh99> home dir
[10:47] <OpenSorce> jussi01, you still here?
[10:47] <jussi01> yes
[10:47] <OpenSorce> E: Couldn't find package libsound2-plugins
[10:47] <favro> martinjh99: great thnx - was wondering what Dedi used tho...
[10:47] <OpenSorce> Could've sworn I saw it install that with the flash player though.......
[10:48] <jussi01> OpenSorce: libasound2-plugins
[10:48] <jussi01> ;)
[10:48] <OpenSorce> ./facepalm
[10:48] <jussi01> hehe
[10:48] <OpenSorce> it's getting late....thanks
[10:48] <OpenSorce> libasound2-plugins is already the newest version.
[10:48] <OpenSorce> awesome
[10:49] <OpenSorce> that isn't it :-(
[10:49] <favro> Dedi: and what is in those hidden folders now? - much?
[10:49] <OpenSorce> it's a flash issue I bet
[10:51] <Dedi> favro: things i have configured since then, not specially much
[10:52] <ardchoille> does ecryptfs-utils work in Kbuntu Hard and Intrepid or is this only for Ubuntu?
[10:52] <ardchoille> *Hardy
[10:53] <Dedi> never seen anything not working on the other gui
[10:53] <Machtin> since it's in the repos.. it should work :)
[10:53] <ardchoille> Well, it seems it won't work in Hardy as it requires kernel 2.6.26 and Hardy has 2.6.24
[10:54] <favro> Dedi: I wonder if having " not specially much " in those folders is your issue - best to move those folders just in case
[10:54] <favro> instead of removing them
[10:54] <Dedi> i usually mean move when i say remove :) i barely delete anything :)
[10:55] <favro> hehe k
[10:55] <Dedi> but will try to login with another user later, but cant imagine its that
[10:55] <favro> I start with the basics
[10:58] <Dedi> since already done once, what would you do next?
[10:58] <OpenSorce> jussi01, I installed alsa-oss and ran firefox with "aoss firefox" it it works now
[10:59] <OpenSorce> just in case you run into that issue again
[11:00] <jussi01> OpenSorce: great.
[11:00] <OpenSorce> jussi01, thanks so much for your help
[11:01] <jussi01> OpenSorce: even though my help didnt help, no probs :)
[11:01] <OpenSorce> I'm writing several reviews of Linux distros suitability for new users. Kubuntu is only my second review this time around, but so far it looks really good
[11:01] <favro> Dedi: I would use the backups and change one thing at a time
[11:02] <OpenSorce> It may spoil it for Mepis :-P
[11:03] <Dedi> favro: if it's a user config issue yes.. but if not?
[11:04] <favro> Dedi: then you need someone more experienced than I
[11:04] <jussi01> OpenSorce: nice. If you want to chat generally a bit more, lets join #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:06] <fran> hola
[11:07] <fran> hola wenas
[11:07] <fran> tengo un problema
[11:07] <fran> weno realmente 2 jeje
[11:07] <favro> fran: english here please
[11:07] <Guest65478> ups
[11:07] <Guest65478> sorry
[11:07] <favro> or whatever your name is :)
[11:07] <favro> np
[11:07] <Guest65478> i think that this is the spanish channel
[11:08] <favro> ask away
[11:08] <favro> !es
[11:08] <aapzak> !nl
[11:08] <aapzak> nice
[11:08] <Dedi> how can i get the most exact kde version? (more than "4.1.2") ?
[11:09] <ahox> Dedi: If you have an release, there is no more exact version
[11:09] <favro> Dedi: the newest?
[11:09] <ahox> Dedi: Of course, the packaging may introduce a package version
[11:09] <favro> !best
[11:09] <emelie> now i have tried for a while to find the update program. someone now how to start that? so i can uppgrade the computer.
[11:10] <ahox> favro: He asks for the exact version, not the newest
[11:10] <favro> !update | emelie
[11:10] <ahox> Dedi: you may want to try aptitude show package
[11:11] <ahox> for my package kdelibs5 i get Version: 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu10
[11:11] <ahox> meaning it is the 10th attempt by ubuntu at packaging kdelibs...
[11:11] <woody86_> can anyone help me get my wireless working? The computer recogonizes the network, but times out when trying to connect
[11:11] <favro> ahh - apologies - exact = version
[11:12] <emelie> thanks.
[11:12] <ahox> favro: btw, the version scheme is MAJOR.MINOR.bugfix
[11:13] <Dedi> hm with 4.1.69 the plasma memory leak seems to be gone
[11:13] <Dedi> are there any nightly builds of kde for intrepid now?
[11:13] <favro> ahox: thnx
[11:16] <e-satis> hi
[11:17] <e-satis> I just made an upgrade from hardy to ibex, and I got the beautiful new kde4.
[11:17] <sap> so how is the new kubuntu
[11:18] <sap> i am downloading it right npw
[11:18] <e-satis> well, it's smooth
[11:18] <e-satis> as usual
[11:18] <e-satis> but I would not recommand to upgrade
[11:18] <sap> no i am going to do a clean install
[11:19] <e-satis> every year, I do it because I am craving to try the new one
[11:19] <e-satis> yes
[11:19] <e-satis> a fresh install is much better
[11:19] <e-satis> E.G, I have KDE4 but the old  KDE3 kicker keep starting when I log in.
[11:19] <e-satis> Don't know why
[11:19] <favro> !enter | e-satis
[11:20] <e-satis> arf, ok
[11:20] <favro> hehe np :)
[11:20] <emelie> how do i get the app to start. that i was using the first time i started kubuntu to upgrade it?
[11:21] <e-satis> But I must say the brand new kde is clean. I am a GNOME lover, but this time I feel fine in a kde desktop.
[11:22] <e-satis> By the way if anybody know why I got knetworkmanager in floating around instead of docking nicely in the systray, I'll pay him a beer
[11:22] <favro> emelie: try alt+F2   then type   update-manager
[11:22] <e-satis> a french beer of course, since I am in paris
[11:23] <xp-killer> im not seing videos on youtube
[11:23] <sap> does compiz work on the new kde
[11:23] <favro> e-satis: a couple of folk have mentioned that sort of issue today - no answer why that I know of yet
[11:23] <sap> or is kwin enough for eye candy
[11:24] <xp-killer> sap: im on 8.04 kde compiz work fine
[11:24] <favro> sap: in intrepid kwin is supposed to do the effects like compiz afaik
[11:24] <xp-killer> im not seing videos on youtube how o i see them?
[11:24] <emelie> favro: it doesnt work. i try to reboot the computer. brb.
[11:24] <xp-killer> on konqueror
[11:24] <favro> k
[11:25] <favro> !flash | xp-killer
[11:26] <dfgsd> hei,everyone,i'm using kubuntu , wine and virtualbox. But there are something i cannot do. So i want to install windows xp on the disk
[11:26] <dfgsd> i have the iso image of xp
[11:26] <dfgsd> how can i install xp?
[11:27] <dfgsd> i donnot want to burn cd
[11:27] <favro> dfgsd: you prob should ask in ##windows
[11:27] <aapzak> dfgsd: are you trying to get into a fight?
[11:27] <favro> aapzak: be nice :)
[11:27] <aapzak> :)
[11:28] <dfgsd> oh sorry
[11:28] <e-satis> favro: thx
[11:28] <favro> dfgsd: np :)
[11:28] <favro> e-satis: np :)
[11:29] <e-satis> sap : compiz works but I think there is some kind of custom-kde-setting to prevent you from messing up with it
[11:29] <e-satis> sap : I think it's a special stuff called kwin
[11:30] <favro> e-satis: kwin is kdes' window manager - it does compositing like compiz
[11:30] <shadowhywind> dfgsd: the only way that i would know of would be to use qparted, use it to partition the hdd, burn the iso and install that way
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[11:31] <favro> hey ActionParsnip :)
[11:31] <jussi01> its th parsnip! :D
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> im giving kwin4.1 a go
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> does anybody use the documents widget?
[11:31] <Dedi> are there any KDE nightly builds of kde for intrepid now?
[11:33] <sap> e-satis: ur attempt at sarcasm was horrible but thanks it tells me that kwin is good
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> i have my home directory showing as a widget on desktop, when I try to enter them with mouse click it loads dolphin....is there a way to keep it in that window or is that not how it works?
[11:33] <sap> :)-
[11:34] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: thats not how it works
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> sap: i usually use fluxbox personally but ive upgraded to intrepid for laughs and wondered what the deal was
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: ok cool, just curious :D
[11:35] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: the folderview is pretty much like the old desktop
[11:35] <jussi01> just constrained into a smaller space
[11:35] <dr_willis> yea. make folder view the size of the desktopp. :)
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> jussi01: ok as long as I know its meant to be static
[11:35] <dr_willis> If you can figure out the resizeing stuff..
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> the new wallpaper is pretty
[11:35] <xp-killer> favro: i install flash but still nothing
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> favro: install flashplugin-nonfree and nspluginwrapper if you are using 64bit
[11:36] <favro> xp-killer: sorry but that's the limit of what I know - I use firefox for the web
[11:36] <dr_willis> I just installed the k/ubntntu restricted extras - it grabbed that and other bits needed. :)
[11:37] <favro> xp-killer: what dr_willis said
[11:38] <xp-killer> favro: i dont understand
[11:38] <dr_willis> install the package 'kubuntu-restricted-extras;
[11:38] <dr_willis> install the package 'kubuntu-restricted-extras'
[11:39] <dr_willis> It will install flash and java and other pacakges you proberly want.
[11:39] <favro> xp-killer: ^
[11:39] <xp-killer> ok
[11:39] <favro> xp-killer: in konsole   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:39] <xp-killer> adept
[11:40] <dr_willis> use package manager, search for package name, install package
[11:40] <favro> it will show in adept - use the search button
[11:40] <xp-killer> im installing it
[11:40] <__Widget__> hey all... just dloaded Kubuntu 8.10 ... installing now.. though one thing that always kinda confused me was which File System to use... any recomendations for a home user?
[11:40] <favro> well done xp-killer
[11:41] <dr_willis> __Widget__,  just use ext3
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: ext3
[11:41] <__Widget__> ok, thnx :)
[11:41] <favro> __Widget__: +1 ext3 - it has journalling
[11:42] <__Widget__> cool... not sure what that is, but sounds like its a good thing :p
[11:42] <xp-killer> if i upgrad from 8.04 will i loose everything?like compiz coniuration video card etc....?
[11:42] <__Widget__> im manually doing my partitions.. wat should I use for mount point ?
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: nope, should be fine
[11:42] <__Widget__> i dont have any other partitions
[11:43] <favro>  / for the system
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: run your backup just before you start and you will be fone
[11:43] <__Widget__> ok, thnx :)
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: if there are no other partitions on the disk you can use auto partition
[11:44] <__Widget__> i did have 1 or 2 from older kubuntu, but then i just deleted em and started fresh
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: thats fine
[11:46] <__Widget__> its asking me to do a swap space partition... wat size should i make that ?
[11:46] <__Widget__> couple GB?
[11:46] <radanter> Hi, can I ask a quick question on upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10? About how long should it spend on the Cleaning Up phase? seems to be taking a very long time, about 2hrs so far, on my laptop which does not have that much installed (<5GB HDD used).
[11:47] <dr_willis> __Widget__,  depends on your ram space.. i do 512mb Min..   laptop and using suspend.  i make it = to ram size
[11:47] <__Widget__> i had 8.04.. jsut format and start over.. then again im still learning so have no files on there need keeping
[11:47] <__Widget__> 1.4gb ram atm
[11:47] <__Widget__> 1.3*
[11:48] <__Widget__> u reckon about 1gb ? and should i just leave my partitions as primary or change to logical
[11:48] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: so if i backup everything it will restore it self after?
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: no you wil have to restore it yourself
[11:48] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: is the 9.10 stable enough or is it still a beta?
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: you should have a backup anyroad
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: intrepid is 8.10 and is now released
[11:49] <xp-killer> yea sory im confuse wit everything
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: its easy to remember...its 2000 and *8* and its October which is moth *10*
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: 8.10
[11:50] <dr_willis> I always use primary partitions if i can.
[11:50] <xp-killer> :O
[11:50] <pucko-> Hello. When trying to upgrade to ibex, adept_manager complains about missing DSA key 437D05B5. Anyone know what to do about that?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> pucko-: what does that mean?
[11:52] <pucko-> actionparsnip, it means it doesn't trust the source of the upgrade I guess..
[11:52] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: i install linux on all the hdd if i want to put also xp i have to creat a space or it will di it just by runing xp
[11:52] <xp-killer> ?
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: put windows on first and leave unpartitioned space for linux
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: the dual boot will then be managed for you
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> pucko-: then get the allow key for the server
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> pucko-: the gpg keys
[11:54] <pucko-> ctionparsnip, I've tried, but it still complains.. maybe I'm doing something wrong
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> pucko-: what server does it moan about
[11:54] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: to late linux on already
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: then when you install xp it will overwrite grub with its own boot sector
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: you will then have to do this:
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> !grub | xp-killer
[11:57] <proman> hi
[11:57] <lala> hi
[11:57] <lala> Kubuntu Rocks
[11:57] <lala> But Ubuntu rocks better
[11:57]  * dr_willis waits for service pack 1 for 8.10
[11:58] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> haha
[11:58] <dr_willis> Gee.. and here  i just install ubuntu and kubuntu desktops both on the same machine.. that means i got 2 rocks?
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> lala: same thing but different desktop environment
[11:59] <Dragnslcr> I read on one of the download pages (I think) that the only extra stuff on the DVD is locale packages. Anyone know if that's correct?
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: if you install fluxbox do you get 2 more by proxy?
[11:59] <dr_willis> I use jwm + rox-filer  so i get 4
[11:59] <jchonig> Good morning
[11:59] <xp-killer> favro: tanks the kubuntu-restricted-extras solve my flash problem for redtube ;)
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> Dragnslcr: pretty much, you get all th desktop and window managers on the disk, if you are gonna use the internet to apt-things then it pointless. unless all you have is dvd media
[12:00] <jchonig> I'd like to use my local mirror when installing the 8.10 desktop alternate CD, is there a way to specify that during install?
[12:00] <favro> xp-killer: thank dr_willis too please - he knew about it :)
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> good ol redtube
[12:00] <lala> My firefox takes too long to open in Ubuntu/Kubuntu. Has any of you encountered this problem ?
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | jchonig
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> lala: install prefetch, after a few executions it will load faster
[12:01] <xp-killer> dr_willis: merci monsieu willis
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> lala: firefox is bad at starting up
[12:01] <lala> ActionParsnip: Is it a bug or a feature ?
[12:01] <Dragnslcr> ActionParsnip- thanks. I already got both the CD and DVD images off the torrent (I like being a good citizen and help seed them) anyway, and all I have is blank DVD's.
[12:01] <favro> xp-:)
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> lala: its a pITA
[12:01] <favro> xp-killer: :)
[12:01] <__Widget__> i find it strange that intrepid is only cd size
[12:01] <Dragnslcr> Good to know for the future, though. I'm pretty sure k3b can burn CD images to DVD's anyway
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> lala: its just really slow at starting with all the plugin guff it has to load. i think its pretty appauling
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: why?
[12:02] <lala> ActionParsnip: pITA ?? What does that mean ? I think it is a bug in Firefox because it happens the same in Windows as well.
[12:02] <dr_willis> what other sizes do you want? :)
[12:03]  * dr_willis supersizes his ubuntu
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> lala: pain in the aspirin ;)
[12:03] <isaacj87> ActionParsnip: haha nice
[12:03] <lala> ActionParsnip: I tried disabling all the addons and plugins. But no dice.
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> shazam!
[12:03] <__Widget__> cause when its installed.. it looks nice.. quality wise.. woulda thought it  be 1-1.5gb in size
[12:03] <dr_willis> Dragnslcr,  last i tried that (by mistake) it dident like the cd burnt onto a dvd :)
[12:03] <lala> ActionParsnip: :-)
[12:03] <Dragnslcr> dr_willis- weird. Maybe I'll experiment with it this weekend
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> lala: opera imho is a far superior browser but i cant get it to supprt xul so im stuck with firefox
[12:04] <jchonig> ActionParsnip: This is a fresh install (going to 64bit from 32bit) so I'd like to be able to tell the CD installer to use other mirrors
[12:04] <isaacj87> My optical drive only reads dvds now. So I have Kubuntu ISO burnt on a DVD
[12:04] <__Widget__> I found Opera to have more issues loading some pages
[12:04] <__Widget__> never had that problem with the Fantastiv Mr.Fox
[12:05] <lala> FYI, Firefox takes 30 seconds to load on my Ubuntu Machine (8.04 and now after upgradation 8.10)
[12:05] <Dragnslcr> If I do a clean install of 8.10, will copying .kde4 from 8.04 to .kde mostly work?
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> jchonig: ive not done that before, is there an update app on the cd
[12:05] <lala> Freaking 30 seconds. More than the boot up time of Ubuntu
[12:05] <__Widget__> hmm.. that is a long time.. i remeber wen FF3 1st came out the load time increased to almost instant
[12:05] <Dragnslcr> lala- that is strange. I don't think I've ever seen Firefox take that long to load
[12:06] <Dragnslcr> Maybe 5 second at most
[12:06] <lala> Something is wrong with the firefox build. Or is it a virus on my machine ?
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> jchonig: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#Upgrading%20Using%20the%20Alternate%20CD/DVD
[12:06] <__Widget__> ur ram or cpu prollt being hogged by something
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> lala: seems fine, what spec is the system?
[12:06] <__Widget__> prolly*
[12:07] <lala> It is a P4 512 MB RAM.
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> lala: what speed and family of p4?
[12:07] <__Widget__> 512 not much for ubuntu?
[12:07] <lala> __Widget__: nope. I checked
[12:07] <favro> 512 should be fine
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> lala: theres a world of difference between a p4 celeron and a p4 extrememe edition
[12:08] <lala> cpu family 15
[12:08] <favro> more would be better tho
[12:08] <lala> speed 2 GHz
[12:08] <__Widget__> celeron... dirty dirty cpu
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: good for cheap systems for chat and web browsing
[12:08] <lala> model name  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
[12:08] <__Widget__> true
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> lala: ok its a stock model
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> lala: least its not a celery
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> lala: you could look at reducing ttys to improve boot
[12:09] <lala> ActionParsnip: Nope. I hate cereals. ;-)
[12:09] <__Widget__> kubuntu almost done.. time to re-install everything again :p
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> lala: its a veggy
[12:10] <Rioting_pacifist> id recomend 8.04 or atleast kde3 though, its more stable and polished and ive had it running on128 without compiz/firefox before
[12:10] <dr_willis> for some odd reason when i installed 8.10 it decided i had 2 cd roms , and put one on /dev/sdb in the fstab.. :) how odd...
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> lala: http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11137272/Organic_Celery.jpg
[12:10] <__Widget__> does anyone know how to get the Mac OS effect of having all icons down bottom in middle ?
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: id reccommend fluxbox over compiz or kwin
[12:11] <lala> ActionParsnip: I know. It was a failed attempt at a joke.
[12:11] <dr_willis> __Widget__,  you mean install a os-x clone DOCK?
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: you can install avant window navigator if you want
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> lala: my bad
[12:11] <__Widget__> not sure wat its called... available through Adept ?
[12:11]  * ActionParsnip hates docks
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !find dock
[12:11] <__Widget__> why hate dock ?
[12:11] <dr_willis> They are rather useless
[12:12] <dr_willis> and take up space that could be better used in other ways
[12:12] <lala> ActionParsnip: Your picture of celery looks tempting.
[12:12] <__Widget__> true.. but nice effect if system can handle it imo
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> i run all apps from my yakuake, iike all apps
[12:12] <dr_willis> the windowmaker warf made much better use of space
[12:12] <faileas> lol
[12:12] <faileas> yakuake is awesome
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> damn right
[12:12] <dr_willis> 'effects' to not make you work better/faster/smarter
[12:12] <faileas> and theres nothing quite like it on anything else
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> i think it should be standard
[12:12] <Rioting_pacifist> ActionParsnip: fluxbox is good but its not really very new-user friendly, it also lacks alot of features kde has (ofc if you dont use those features its just faster)
[12:12] <faileas> dr_willis: warf?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> faileas: theres tilda ;)
[12:12] <faileas> ActionParsnip: too small ><
[12:12] <lala> Which is the most userfriendly but light weight desktop out there ? Is it fluxbox ?
[12:13] <cuznt> on my other hard drive is 4.1 the task manager and system tray will not load
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: you are confusing kde with kwin
[12:13] <faileas> lala: i'm kinda fond of lxde
[12:13] <SlimeyPete> lala: 's all a matter of taste. Fluxbox is definitely a popular choice though.
[12:13] <dr_willis> lala,  depends on how you define  userfriendly and light.
[12:13] <favro> I've heard of yakuake - it is a terminal right?
[12:13] <lala> faileas: lxde is cool. But it lacks themes.
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: you can run fluxbox with kde instead of the normal kwin
[12:13] <dr_willis> fluxbox isent really a 'desktop'
[12:13] <faileas> favro: its a drop down terminal
[12:13] <SlimeyPete> favro: it's a terminal emulator which drops down from the top of the screen like the Quake console
[12:13] <faileas> lala: e17! ;p
[12:14] <favro> ohh - a terminal that does tricks?
[12:14] <faileas> yup
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: similarly, gnome runs metacity but you can run fluxbox instead of it onto of the gnome desktop
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: its a window manager
[12:14] <faileas> favro: well its a very nice way of accessing the terminal if you use it a LOT
[12:14] <lala> dr_willis: By user friendly, should have support for icons on desktop and good integration of applications
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> lala: idesk ives fluxbox desktop icons
[12:15] <lala> SlimeyPete: I agree. Fluxbox is cool. But it is a hassle to create desktop icons in fluxbox.
[12:15] <__Widget__> hmm... doesnt seem to wanna installed vid drivers.. not moving anywhere :S
[12:15] <SlimeyPete> lala: indeed. Fluxbox isn't really meant for that sort of use.
[12:15] <lala> faileas: e17 is still unfinished.
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> lala: once you get to grips with it is awesome
[12:15] <SlimeyPete> it's meant for people who don't use desktop launchers/files, really.
[12:15] <ChrisMir> lol, can't iumaging e17 ever being finished :p
[12:15] <favro> +1 flux
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> +100 flux
[12:15] <faileas> lala: there's a REALLY nice ubuntu derivative with it
[12:16] <Rioting_pacifist> ActionParsnip:  im familar with the concept of window managers and desktop enviroments, but it doesnt change the way that fluxbox is less new-user freindly, i think it has a few gui tools but most of the config is in plain files. is there even a gui way to change the background image
[12:16] <lala> faileas: you mean with e17 ? Are you talking about opengeu ?
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: i wouldnt know i always use cli
[12:16] <faileas> lala: yeah ;p
[12:16] <faileas> i was playing with it for a bit
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: fbsetbg -i /path/to/file.png
[12:17] <Rioting_pacifist> thats not really new user freindly is it
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> Rioting_pacifist: its in all the documentation
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> as well as online
[12:17] <lala> Has anyone used rox desktop ?
[12:17] <lala> I would like to try it out. I am told it is fabulous.
[12:18] <ChrisMir> Hmm, apt-get weirdness here. Although I've set my machine to operate with english, apt-get is giving me feedback in dutch. Confirmation is asked with (J/n), but J does not work, only Y
[12:18] <faileas> o0
[12:18] <Rioting_pacifist> clearly we disagree on what is expected of a new user
[12:18] <Rioting_pacifist> __Widget__: how are you trying to install video drivers?
[12:19] <OxDeadC0de> just in case anyone is interested, there's finally a cpu frequency scaling plasmoid for kde4 that works like the gnome one, it's in get hot new stuff in add widgets/install new/download from internet ;), it's the very first release, just a dropdown menu, it's kind of ugly, but it works..
[12:19] <Rioting_pacifist> is there a basic system montior yet?
[12:19] <faileas> hmm
[12:20] <faileas> is it just me or is the main repo dog slow?
[12:20] <OxDeadC0de> there's ksensors for monitoring sensors?
[12:20] <favro> Rioting_pacifist: tried conky?
[12:20] <OxDeadC0de> the a cpu load applet for that, hmm, I also use the nvidia applet in cairo-dock to get sensor info for my gpu but none of the others yet even see it yet :/
[12:21] <Rioting_pacifist> favro: nah i gave 8.10 a spin i was looking for a cpu/mem/.. usage monitor i could stick in a pannel
[12:21] <favro> k
[12:22] <Exilant> anyone else having an awfully slow konqueror?
[12:22] <__Widget__> there's 2 widgets on desktop at start.. notpad and soemthing else.. wat is that exactly?
[12:22] <OxDeadC0de> the panel?
[12:22] <__Widget__> ya
[12:22] <__Widget__> i think so
[12:22] <__Widget__> big black box
[12:23] <Dragnslcr> faileas- considering 8.10 was just released, the repositories are probably kinda busy
[12:23] <faileas> __Widget__: shows you whats on your desktop
[12:23] <OxDeadC0de> yay looks like 2 of you downloaded my scaler, could have been someone else tho :P
[12:23] <__Widget__> hmm... i added icons to desktop but they didnt get added to that panel
[12:23] <faileas> Dragnslcr: makes sense i guess. dosen't help that i'm using the US one instead of my local repo ><
[12:23] <OxDeadC0de> add the file browser widget and set it to your desktop folder?
[12:24] <Exilant> if i type "linux-image" into the adept search, why doesn't it return anything?
[12:24] <sap> is firefox preloaded on kubuntu 8.10
[12:25] <faileas> sap: no
[12:25] <sap> hmmm
[12:25] <Rioting_pacifist> its not installed by default, but the preload deamon will preload the files if its installed
[12:25] <faileas> you can install it easily though
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> sap: not sure but you can sudo apt-get -y install firefox-3.0
[12:25] <sap> thanks
[12:26]  * faileas notes ite pretty neat firefox seems to use the system theme, or one suitable to it
[12:29] <__Widget__> this widget feature(s) weird
[12:29] <cuznt> my system tray and task manager will not reload
[12:30] <cuznt> and no konversation in 4.1?
[12:30] <Rioting_pacifist> faileas: do you still need firefox-ubuntu-support (or was it firefox-gnome-support)
[12:31] <cuznt> my page loads up with the plamsa in the top corner but no tray no task manager
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: try running it from konsole
[12:31] <cuznt> i can right click and bring it up as a widget, but when i restart it crashes.
[12:32] <cuznt> am running 3.5 from the other hard drive
[12:32] <faileas> Rioting_pacifist: i just instlled firefox, and let the packae manager take care of it
[12:32] <faileas> cuznt: it uses the 3.5.10 builds of konversation, k3b and amarok
[12:32] <Rioting_pacifist> ah thats a no then, in 8.04 a seperate package was needed to stop it being fuggly
[12:33] <cuznt> it wont let me get it. i had to reboot to the other hd to chat as adept would not d/l xchat
[12:33] <__Widget__> can i make desktop icons snap to some sort of grid
[12:33] <faileas> Rioting_pacifist: what package?
[12:33]  * faileas has mild issues with those apps being white on my otherwise charcoal black themes ;p
[12:34] <cuznt> how do i run it from console?
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: type konv and press tab
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> then press enter
[12:34] <cuznt> also when i am in recovery mode and want to restart kde i dont know how
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: the first few chars of the app you wanna run then tab, you can run any app from konsole
[12:34] <cuznt> right on
[12:35] <faileas> ActionParsnip: generally i like to add a && to that
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> faileas: yea a & can be useful
[12:35] <Rioting_pacifist> faileas:  firefox-gnome-support - meta package pointing to the latest gnome-support package for firefox <without it it would be gtk1 and the qt-gtk engine was useless
[12:35] <OxDeadC0de> ActionParsnip: You should mention if it beeps hit tab twice to get a list of all programs that start with the charactors typed? :P
[12:35] <faileas> Rioting_pacifist: oh, i don't think i needed that explicitly installed
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> cli rocks
[12:36] <faileas> ActionParsnip: cli rocks when you know what you are doing ;p
[12:36]  * Rioting_pacifist feals happy as it means hes one release closer to the end of his gnome overloards
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> faileas: not hard to learn. ive had tonnes of newbies configuring samba without using the retarded frontend for folder sharing
[12:38] <amigrave> on kubuntu 8.10 the cpu fan of my laptop is running very often (unusual compared to kubuntu 8.04 or windows). Is there something I can do about it ?
[12:38] <__Widget__> i havnt configured anything and kubuntu is able to browse winxp machines on network through samba
[12:39] <faileas> ActionParsnip: ... there's a front end?
[12:39] <cuznt> so does mine widget
[12:39] <dr_willis> Ive had some issues with the 'browsing shares' under kde and gnome on some of my machines.. however i can type in the full  //mshome/fileserver/sharename   and they work
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: thats browsing windows shares, to share foldersyou need to configure samba to share the folders
[12:40] <__Widget__> oh.. on kbuntu side... so winxp can see linux shares?
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: yep
[12:40] <cuznt> i can take my shares and put them in my wifes xp folder
[12:40] <faileas> ActionParsnip: ... i didn't know there was a front end...
[12:40] <__Widget__> ic.. thnx :)
[12:40] <cuznt> or through hers put them in mine
[12:40] <cuznt> but not the other way
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> faileas: theres some garbage in konqueror that lets you do it if you right click a folder
[12:40]  * faileas did it using the article on howtoforge ;p
[12:41] <faileas> ActionParsnip: well my file server is debian/cli only so... that wasn't an option
[12:41]  * ActionParsnip did it reading examples and finding it childishly simple to edit smb.conf
[12:42]  * faileas needs to refine its roles. it sucks as a torrent box since my client dosen't support protocol encryption
[12:42] <__Widget__> how does one type in italics
[12:43] <dr_willis> __Widget__,  err you dont?
[12:43] <dr_willis> I dont see ani italics
[12:43] <ardchoille> __Widget__: I don't see any italics
[12:43]  * dr_willis dont use no stinking italics
[12:43] <__Widget__> :(
[12:43] <favro> hehe
[12:43] <ardchoille> __Widget__: you mean the /me actions?
[12:43] <__Widget__> Conspiracy!!!
[12:43] <dr_willis> why would you expect italics?
[12:44]  * __Widget__ hello
[12:44] <ardchoille> his irc client may display /me as italics
[12:44]  * dr_willis dosent see italics on this irc client
[12:44] <ardchoille> he got it :)
[12:44]  * __Widget__ is using Chatzilla
[12:44]  * faileas wonders if __Widget__ means this?
[12:44] <faileas> ;p
[12:44] <favro> in xchat you can choose the font - apart from that...
[12:44] <ardchoille> kget is rather nice
[12:45]  * ActionParsnip uses pidgin
[12:45] <ardchoille> downloading 4 iso files
[12:46]  * faileas uses konversation
[12:46] <absent-minded> good day
[12:46]  * __Widget__ too uses Konversation in Kubuntu
[12:46] <absent-minded> I guess every people here have problems with intrepid ....
[12:47] <faileas> nope
[12:47] <absent-minded> now
[12:47] <absent-minded> :)
[12:47] <faileas> its working great for me
[12:47] <ardchoille> absent-minded: some come here to help, some come here to watch and learn
[12:47] <__Widget__> slower.. and crashed once.. thats about it
[12:47] <__Widget__> and those Widgets are strange
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> absent-minded: it has stopped my ktorrent web interface, thats all
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> absent-minded: 100% fine
[12:47] <absent-minded> I hope that because I have a (little) problem.
[12:48]  * _Widgetkde_ olla
[12:48]  * OxDeadC0de uses emote too
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> sup absent-minded?
[12:48] <absent-minded> my display is outside screen
[12:48]  * OxDeadC0de laughs at himself, and uses pidgin :o
[12:48]  * favro wonders about the use of /me
[12:48] <absent-minded> My task bar is cut in two
[12:48] <sap> is there anything like mass downloader for ubuntu
[12:49] <ardchoille> sap: for Kubuntu there is a nice download manager called kget
[12:49] <_Widgetkde_> konversation atm.. I see color :O
[12:49] <ardchoille> although I think it's just a gui front-end to wget
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> sap: wget
[12:49] <absent-minded> I think my screen is badly configurated... maybe a little modification of the Xorg.conf would help
[12:50] <__Widget__> so... im concidering getting a 24
[12:50] <__Widget__> " lcd.. any suggestions
[12:50] <dr_willis> check reviews online first.
[12:50] <dr_willis> :)
[12:51] <__Widget__> ya.. was tossing up between Dell 2408wfp and samsing t240
[12:51] <__Widget__> but many issues i found with dell one atm.. but better grade panel
[12:51] <__Widget__> samsung using TN atm
[12:54] <dr_willis> I tend to use samsung
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: check compatibility ;)
[12:54] <dr_willis> or whatever i find on sale. :)
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: shop smart
[12:54] <__Widget__> 550 atm for the samsung
[12:55] <dr_willis> I hear prices are supposed to be dropping on thost things this xmas. :)
[12:55] <faileas> ActionParsnip: shop smart? ;p
[12:55] <faileas> *s mart
[12:55] <__Widget__> would b nice
[12:56] <galathalion> need help with amarok, pls
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> faileas: you know it. i tend to buy the most linux friendly as i can find
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> galathalion: sup
[12:57] <faileas> ActionParsnip: well most of my linux boxen are thinkpads ;p
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> faileas: dell are nice for me, as wellas eee
[12:57] <faileas> ActionParsnip: well next box i am likely to get is likely a cheapie generic amd box or a dell mini 9 ;p
[12:58] <dr_willis> some of these lcd monitors got soo many fancy features/gizmos im not sure who would use them all...
[12:58] <galathalion> ActionParsnip: it used to work a couple of minutes but then it crashed for some reason and when i restard it and load all my music it freaks out again
[12:58] <favro> galathalion: there is #amarok
[13:00] <faileas> then again
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> galathalion: id try finding where amarock stores its settings and renaming the folder / file
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> galathalion: then rerun it
[13:00]  * faileas is tempted to try running intrepid on a 8 year old PIII 450 for fun
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> faileas: make sure its the coppermine core ;)
[13:01] <faileas> ActionParsnip: katamai ;p
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[13:01] <faileas> ActionParsnip: it was running gutsy at one point ;p
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> faileas: run it with fluxbox or similar and you're ok
[13:01] <faileas> ActionParsnip: where's the fun in that?
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> faileas: itll be smoother and slicker
[13:02] <faileas> ActionParsnip: where's the fun in that? ;p
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> that is fun :D
[13:02] <__Widget__> my plasma crashed :S
[13:02]  * faileas just wants to see how it runs on something modern ;p
[13:03] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i'd rather use my newer machines for that ;p
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: id head to the kde4 based rooms
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: or #kubuntu
[13:03] <__Widget__> im in kubuntu ?
[13:03] <faileas> ActionParsnip: this IS #kubuntu
[13:04] <faileas> ... akrigator seems to take up HUGE amounts of processor if i leave it on too long
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> bah
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> im used to sitting in #ubuntu
[13:05] <faileas> looool
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> oh well
[13:07] <__Widget__> can i restore my desktop back to original state of when i 1st installed kubuntu/
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: cd ~/.kde/share/config/; ls
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: any folders starting with teh word plasma, rename them. I found a guide that says delete them but im not that agressive
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: once renamed, log off and on, it should return
[13:12] <__Widget__> cool, thnx :)
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> __Widget__: if not, try running plasma & from konsole and see what it says
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> plasma dying is all i seem to see in here
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> they really should sort it
[13:15] <absent-minded> #kubuntu-fr
[13:15] <__Widget__> well.. im off.. thnx for everyones help :) ... talk l8rs]
[13:18] <OzoNe> Hi, I can't see post list in Akregator (Kubuntu 8.10), how can I fix the problem? an img: http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kdefo0.png
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> OzoNe: i dont use rss, so i cant help dude
[13:23] <OzoNe> ActionParsnip, no problem, thanks anyway :)
[13:26] <PovAdct_live> I'm on Kubuntu Intrepid LiveCD
[13:27] <PovAdct_live> it set a resolution of 800x600 but I'm on a wide screen
[13:27] <PovAdct_live> so everything looks stretched
[13:27] <PovAdct_live> how do I change my resolution?
[13:27] <PovAdct_live> is there a GUI to change that? xrandr(1) looked like a mess
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you can edit xorg.conf
[13:28] <OxDeadC0de> He's on livecd, editing it won't do anything
[13:28] <PovAdct_live> ActionParsnip: using xrandr sounds easier than editing that...
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> OxDeadC0de: it will, you can change the res in the live cd environment
[13:28] <favro> PovAdct_live: open a konsole and type    xrandr   to see the available choices then   xrandr -s 1600x1200   or whatever you want
[13:28] <OxDeadC0de> oh, k then ^^
[13:29] <PovAdct_live> the only configured modes are 640x480 and 800x600, so I'd have to use --addmode, and *that* looked like a mess
[13:29] <PovAdct_live> xrandr -s 1280x720
[13:29] <PovAdct_live> Size 1280x720 not found in available modes
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you could install graphics drivers in the live environment
[13:29] <PovAdct_live> oh that's because I'm lacking drivers?
[13:30] <favro> PovAdct_live: then your vid card doesn't have the appropriate driver
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you may need them, im unsure, it could help
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: run lspci and it will say what you have
[13:31] <PovAdct_live> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 405 (rev a2)
[13:31] <favro> lspci | grep VGA   to cut down on reading
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> !nvidia | PovAdct_live
[13:31] <PovAdct_live> (grr I have no middle mouse button here, I have to copy-paste the "Windows way")
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> favro: use grep -i vga instead ;)
[13:31] <favro> hehe
[13:32] <OxDeadC0de> PovAdct_live, try using both mouse buttons at the same time to simulate middle click?
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> favro: -i == case Insensitive
[13:32] <PovAdct_live> Konqueror taking forever to startup :D
[13:32] <favro> yep
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> favro: winner!
[13:33] <PovAdct_live> I seem to be low on RAM...
[13:33] <favro> ohh
[13:33] <isaacj87> #banshee
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: thats because the live cd runs on a ramdrive
[13:33] <PovAdct_live> 270MB in use for disk cache, and no swap
[13:33] <favro> how much?
[13:33] <favro> k
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you can uninstall stuff from the live environment to make room
[13:34] <PovAdct_live> I have 768MB physical memory
[13:35] <PovAdct_live> would be ridiculous if the livecd can't work with that RAM
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: it can, you just cant load it with too much fluff
[13:36] <PovAdct_live> Mem:    701276k total,   693140k used,     8136k free,    40840k buffers
[13:36] <PovAdct_live> 238772k cached
[13:36] <donavan> Is there any sane way to setup dual heads in KDE like there is in Gnome (using 8.10)?
[13:37] <PovAdct_live> the instructions on the wiki don't ever name Intrepid, heh
[13:37] <PovAdct_live> where is "System->Administration->Hardware Drivers" here?
[13:37] <SlimeyPete> PovAdct_live: in System Settings
[13:38] <mrksbrd> how do you sort icon's on desktop by name in 8.10?
[13:38] <SlimeyPete> PovAdct_live: hrm... hang on, I may be wrong O.o
[13:38] <PovAdct_live> found it
[13:38] <PovAdct_live> using the search box on top of the menu
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> nice
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> wow running full drivers in live environment
[13:39] <Mrunagi> im having some major problems...........my x server wont start..........and id like to give u the errors but i cant get wvdial to dial out to get online..........the bluetooth pin wont accept........can anyone help me with that
[13:39] <PovAdct_live> my whole desktop hanged when I started typing there (it had to load something from the CD and had to spin up again)
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> puppy is way better at live cd resolutions
[13:39] <dr_willis> many disrtos are way better.
[13:39] <dr_willis> I noticed the live cd on my Nvidia laptop - uses the  vga driver not the nv one...
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> many are worse, and many would disagree with the list
[13:40] <PovAdct_live> "Downloading an installing driver" is still at 0%
[13:40] <dr_willis> PovAdct_live,  servers may be slow today
[13:40] <donavan> s/may be/are
[13:40] <PovAdct_live> I tried to run "iftop" to see if there was network activity
[13:40] <PovAdct_live> command not found, and i don't want to install more packages on the ramdisk :D
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: be patient young grasshopper
[13:40] <favro> try ping www.google.com
[13:40] <PovAdct_live> I might just try wubi instead of livecd...
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> yuk
[13:41] <dr_willis> PovAdct_live,  use vitualbox :)
[13:41] <genii> Gah wubi
[13:41] <dr_willis> I woudl much rathe ruse virtualbox then wubi
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> wubi needs to be condemned to the skip
[13:41] <genii> Wubi usually creates more problems than it solves.
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> its a halfass job
[13:41] <dr_willis> Yep..
[13:41] <dr_willis> I have to agree
[13:42] <faileas> hmm
[13:42] <faileas> donno
[13:42] <faileas> wubi was what got me into kubuntu
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> if you want linux either run it live or install it...don't "kinda" install it
[13:42] <dr_willis> I would much rather see VIrtualbox be included then wubi.
[13:42] <favro> it works for some...as an intro but how many bridges does it burn
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> faileas: i just saw the ubuntu hype, so i scrapped one of my mandria rigs and installed it (i love the kde)
[13:43] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i went for it cause it was an easy apt based distro with decent hardware support
[13:44]  * faileas started off with mandriva
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> favro: try helping noobs switch from wubi to a genuine install, not pretty
[13:44]  * ActionParsnip started with redhat 6 or 7
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> i i forget
[13:44] <favro> ActionParsnip: and how does anyone sort out issues on that?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> favro: badly is all i can say
[13:45] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i used LVPM for that once ;p
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> favro: its all making isos and putting them on proper partitions as far as i acn see, not worth it
[13:45] <mrksbrd> how do you sort icon's on desktop by name in 8.10?
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> favro: id imagine theres pretty gui tools for it but i just dont like the idea
[13:59] <PovAdct_live> everything hanged badly, so I rebooted and tried installing the drivers as *first* thing, before doing anything else
[13:59] <PovAdct_live> driver seems to be running now
[13:59] <PovAdct_live> I still don't have any more choices of screen resolutions than before
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: ill give you my xorg.conf
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> you can copy the screen resolution bts from it to your own
[14:01] <our-pc> Anyone to help me please ?
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: http://pastebin.com/f7e15625c
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> !ask | our-pc
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: where mine says 1024x768 change yours to whatever you want
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you may want to reduce the refresh as im on a crt monitor
[14:04] <our-pc> I have ubuntu 8.10 installed. Are there any transparency effects installed by default and if yes how can i enable them?
[14:04] <Tm_T> our-pc: KDE ?
[14:04] <Tm_T> moi OutoLumo
[14:04] <our-pc> Gnome
[14:04] <Tm_T> our-pc: wrong channel then (;)
[14:04] <PovAdct_live> our-pc: then ask in #ubuntu
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> our-pc: you will need to install video drivers
[14:04] <PovAdct_live> brb X restart
[14:05] <our-pc> Thanks!!
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> our-pc: then you can poison your system with compiz
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> !compiz | our-pc
[14:05] <our-pc> thank you very much!
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> our-pc: run lspci to find your graphics card and you can websearch from there as how to set it up
[14:06]  * ActionParsnip hates compiz
[14:06] <our-pc> Thanks guys;)
[14:06] <ubuntu_> w00t
[14:06] <ubuntu_> native res
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: wtg
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: did you do it with my xorg.conf?
[14:07] <PovAdct_live> copied a few sections into mine
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: not hard is it, dont be afraid of conf files, they are simple
[14:07] <PovAdct_live> then replaced 1024x768 with 1280x720
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> my crusade is to get people more friendly with conf files than using stupid apps and guis when its so simple
[14:08] <PovAdct_live> I'm not afraid of conf files, I'm afraid of xorg.conf ;)
[14:08] <PovAdct_live> and of new stuff (first time I use KDE4)
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: in ubuntu there is a fix xorg.conf part of the recovery boot ;)
[14:09] <PovAdct_live> seems... CPU intensive
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: xorg.conf is xorg.conf everywhere
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: its not light at all, try fluxbox :D
[14:09] <PovAdct_live> my home machine has KDE3.5 and compiz-fusion
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: you'll be pushed for that in live cd environment
[14:11] <PovAdct_live> I want a desktop that looks good, but I don't need so many fancy features
[14:11] <PovAdct_live> for example, "desktop search" is useless to me
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> i think fluxbox looks neat
[14:11] <PovAdct_live> I don't keep "office documents" on my machine
[14:11] <okto> hi...anybody knows how to change icon for a particular file type in intrepid?
[14:11] <PovAdct_live> I keep source code :)
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> okto: http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-to-change-file-type-mimetype-icons.html
[14:12] <okto> for example the icon for *.doc to something else instead of that question-mark icon?
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: sudo apt-get -y install fluxbox; sudo apt-get clean
[14:13] <PovAdct_live> in KDE4 it looks like every icon that changes when I move mouse over has a fade-in effect
[14:13] <PovAdct_live> that's just CPU waste
[14:13] <legodude> how do I turn off the startup sounds?
[14:13] <okto> ActionParsnip: in KDE....
[14:13] <dr_willis> most things are a CPU waste. :)
[14:13] <Samgr> I have a problem, could anyone help me?
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> Samgr: just ask your question
[14:14] <gonzalo> hola
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> legodude: its notifications in system settings
[14:14] <legodude> thanks
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> legodude: select apply to all sounds then click no sounds
[14:14] <legodude> yup
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> oh ffs
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> Konsole profile settings
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> Appearance
[14:14] <PovAdct_live> Color Scheme and Background
[14:14] <okto> ActionParsnip: i filed the bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/285435
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> okto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=771688
[14:15] <PovAdct_live> the possible options scroll in from the right with a cute animation
[14:15] <PovAdct_live> CPU WASTE (and annoying)
[14:15] <Samgr> Flash player is too buggy on firefox. Is this something common ?
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> PovAdct_live: hehe dude get xfce or openbox or fluxbox and it doesnt have all that fluff and is lighter in ram
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> Samgr: gnash
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> !info gnash
[14:16] <PovAdct_live> I have a rewritable CD, and xubuntu ISO :)
[14:16] <okto> ActionParsnip: ?
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> xubutu is nice
[14:16] <dr_willis> PovAdct_live,  almost as annoying as pople that go on about annoying things ?
[14:16] <dr_willis> :)
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> touche
[14:17] <PovAdct_live> I like composite desktops though, makes for example dragging windows *much* smoother
[14:17] <okto> ActionParsnip: my problem is like I describe in the bug ^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/285435
[14:17] <favro> !find kde
[14:17] <PovAdct_live> and konsole transparency
[14:17] <favro> !lag
[14:17] <Samgr>  I have installed both gnash and adobe flash , gnash does not even work!!
[14:18] <favro> seems !find is borked
[14:18] <PovAdct_live> !find kubuntu-desktop
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> okto: if you run systemsettings with kdesudo, can yuo change them?
[14:18] <PovAdct_live> !help find
[14:18] <okto> ActionParsnip: I'll try...a sec
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> Samgr: i run adobe flash via nspluginwrapper. works pretty decently
[14:19] <PovAdct_live> as decently as Flash can get :P
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> Samgr: plus if flash falls over, just kill the nsplugin and you will be back on your feet
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> runs pretty well though
[14:19] <okto> ActionParsnip: nope...
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> okto: looks like an intrepid feature for the now
[14:20] <Samgr> Thanks!!!
[14:22] <okto> ActionParsnip: might be, I look at the .desktop file and it points to correct icons (for *.doc is wordprocessing) the same with *.odt but its fine with OOO
[14:22] <okto> it show correct icons
[14:22] <okto> but *doc icon is question-mark icon
[14:23] <mmo|> Hi. Do any of you know how to make keyboard shortcuts work in kubuntu 8.10? I simply cannot find out how to start e.g. konsole using shortcuts...
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> okto: i dont use icons much as i use cli for file management
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: ho do you mean shortcuts?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> *how
[14:24] <okto> ActionParsnip: do you use dolphin?
[14:24] <favro> !keyboard
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> okto: no, yakuake
[14:24] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: I mean pressing ctrl-alt-t to start konsole. It seems like it should work from the settings, but nothing happens!
[14:24] <ingmar_> hi... i dont have any sound in flash in firefox.. how do i fix that?
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> !shortcuts | mmo|
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> ingmar_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204022
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> ingmar_: http://www.arsgeek.com/2007/11/27/how-to-fix-no-sound-with-flashfirefox-in-ubuntu-710-gutsy/
[14:26] <okto> ActionParsnip: do you have a *.doc file? you can see the problem with the icons in dolphin or konq
[14:26] <robin0800> ActionParsnip: You can set it if you right click on the menue is that what your doing?
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> okto: i dont have them installed, i can certinly make one with touch. im not the man to ask dude
[14:26] <ak||> #
[14:26] <okto> ActionParsnip: or try to make a new file type in systemsettings or change the icons for an existing application
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> okto: can you add it to the .desktop file?
[14:27] <okto> ActionParsnip: a new file type will always a question-mark icon
[14:28] <okto> ActionParsnip: i did and check that .desktop point to correct icons, but it won't obey
[14:29] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: yes, but nothing seems to work. Nothing happens when I press the keyboard shortcuts I define. Do I have to do something to enable them?
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> mmo|: you may have to log off and on
[14:30] <mmo|> ActionParsnip: ok, I'll try that
[14:30] <mmo|> thanks
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> okto: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/KDE/2008-08/msg00051.html
[14:31] <faileas> hmm
[14:31] <faileas> kubuntu intrepid uses alsa right?
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> okto: its a kde thing not a ubuntu thing. the guys in #kde might help more but ive no idea as i dont use file managers
[14:32] <vinci_> Why there's no ZUI in Kubuntu?
[14:32] <Tm_T> vinci_: Z means...
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> vinci_: zui?
[14:32] <SlimeyPete> vinci_: what's a ZUI?
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> !find zui
[14:32] <vinci_> zooming user interface
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> faileas: i think so, that or pulse
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> vinci_: x has been doing zoomability for ages
[14:33] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: Alsa an Pulse
[14:33] <vinci_> my plasma don't have this function
[14:33] <Tm_T> vinci_: my does
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> you could always use xmag :)
[14:34] <vinci_> sorry im not very good in English
[14:34] <zabbadapp> uh, the k-menu turns upside down if the task bar is low enough
[14:35] <okto> ActionParsnip: thanks.. the link helps and its the exact thing I've been asking around. I'll try to try the fix from the link.
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> okto: cool
[14:38] <ingmar_> Great my flash now works with sound
[14:38] <ingmar_> thank you
[14:39] <ingmar_> I have one more problem... my wireless network card doesnt seem to be working
[14:39] <ingmar_> it says it has Proprietary drivers for it but it doesnt work
[14:42] <ingmar_> can anyone help me?
[14:43] <favro> ingmar_: it'll help if you mention what card
[14:44] <ingmar_> Atheros 802.11 Wireless Lan card
[14:44] <favro> ingmar_: that should be in this link
[14:44] <favro> !wifi
[14:45] <mrunagi> can anyone help me............x wont start
[14:46] <ipfw> mrunagi:  ati graphics ?
[14:46] <Tm_T> oh, mr unagi =)
[14:46] <mrunagi> nvidia
[14:46] <ipfw> symptoms ?
[14:46] <mrunagi> bootup sends me to the cli
[14:46] <dr_willis> what is it doing exactly? what card? upgrade/clean install? ect....
[14:47] <mrunagi> i dont recall doing anything to trigger it...........at some point kubuntu didnt want to load right because it was mounting as a read only system
[14:47] <ipfw> So, is Kubuntu 8.10 sexy ? how does it perform compared to Ubuntu 8.10, and are there any stability issues experienced ?
[14:47] <mrunagi> i took out the line in fstab that says if error then mount in readonly
[14:47] <mrunagi> on thing is that linux is telling me /tmp doesnt exist......
[14:48] <Tm_T> ipfw: if you ask from me, it's better, always
[14:48] <mrunagi> sudo mkdir /tmp returns the same........file or directory doesnt exist
[14:48] <zarlino> ipfw: it compares very badly
[14:48] <zarlino> ipfw: just made the comparison
[14:48] <Tm_T> zarlino: says you =)
[14:49] <zarlino> Tm_T: well i'm a longtime user
[14:49] <faileas> ipfw: IMO, overall i like it. there's a few annoying quirks with individual apps tho
[14:49] <Tm_T> zarlino: so am I
[14:49] <ipfw> zarlino, Tm_T : what is the hardware you are running on
[14:49] <Tm_T> ipfw: old fart amd with gig ram and nvidia
[14:49] <zarlino> Tm_T: ok so everything is perfect
[14:49] <ipfw> faileas:  can you give a few examples of your known issues ?
[14:49] <mrunagi> any ideas?
[14:49] <oobe> will all of my .kde/Autostart items still be there after i complete my upgrade to intrepid
[14:49] <Tm_T> zarlino: no, there's no perfection
[14:50] <faileas> ipfw: akgrigator seeming randomly using a LOT of processor
[14:50] <Tm_T> oobe: should
[14:50] <oobe> cause im using kde3
[14:50] <zarlino> Tm_T: but for some strange reason a guy that used kde for 7 years and converted dozens of other professional developers is switching to gnome...
[14:50] <sou> Hey !
[14:50] <ipfw> mrunagi:  boot from a live cd, run fsck on all your partitions, put the fstab line(s) back, and try again
[14:50] <Tm_T> zarlino: and?
[14:50] <ipfw> faileas:  whats an akgrigator, that an rss feed thing ?
[14:50] <zarlino> Tm_T: and everything is ok
[14:51] <faileas> ipfw: yeah
[14:51] <Tm_T> zarlino: no, I didn't say so =)
[14:51] <faileas> i haven't worked out why. it seems random ;p
[14:51] <Tm_T> zarlino: but for _me_ Ku is better than U
[14:51] <zarlino> Tm_T: good luck
[14:51] <Tm_T> zarlino: thanks, but I don't need luck (:)
[14:52] <ipfw> zarlino:  a lot of 5+ year kde users are bailing, kde4 has a different look and feel, and some people are set in their ways
[14:52] <zarlino> ipfw: i like new things that's not the problem
[14:52] <mrunagi> i dont have a cd
[14:52] <Tm_T> ipfw: like me, though, I should use my own doings anyway...
[14:52] <Tm_T> zarlino: whois me (;)
[14:52] <zarlino> ipfw: i like new working things
[14:53] <Tm_T> zarlino: ipfw: anyway, this is going to offtopic, meet us in #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:54] <Freku> hmm my Adept Manager isnt showing new version yet.
[14:54] <mrunagi> ok so new problem
[14:55] <mrunagi> how do i burn an iso image via cle
[14:55] <mrunagi> cli
[14:55] <galathalion> does the new upgrade work?
[14:56] <galathalion> i hurd it has major graphic-card problems
[14:56] <mrunagi> !iso
[14:56] <dr_willis> galathalion,  i had it fail for one machine... :(
[14:56] <mrunagi> ugh i wanna know how to BURN iso
[14:56] <dr_willis> but the gfx worked.. it was the networking that failed
[14:56] <dr_willis> use k3b under kubuntu to burn isos
[14:56] <dr_willis> !burn
[14:56] <galathalion> i tried to upgrade but my adept is fubar
[14:56] <mrunagi> i dont have x
[14:56] <mrunagi> im stuck in the cli
[14:56] <dr_willis> mrunagi,  then youget to use cdrecord or one of its text based frontends
[14:57] <ingmar__> Can anyone see whats wrong with my Wireless network drivers ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/65226/
[14:57] <dr_willis> try a apt-cache search cdrecord  perhaps and look for a text based front end.. or  try to use its commandline
[14:57] <dr_willis> Or was cdrecord replaced by somting else now a days? been a while
[14:58] <mrunagi> cdrecord burns images?
[14:58] <dr_willis> Yes.
[14:58] <dr_willis> cdrskin - command line CD/DVD writing tool
[14:58] <mrunagi> cdrecord file.iso?
[14:58] <dr_willis> wodim - command line CD/DVD writing tool
[14:58] <dr_willis> read the man pages.. or use a front end..
[14:59] <dr_willis> technically cdrecord is now 'wodim' :) it seems.. heh
[14:59] <pucko-> is there some way I can put icons on the desktop in kde4?
[15:00] <mrunagi> i cant use a front end without x
[15:00] <dr_willis> mrunagi,  ' text based front ends' run in the console
[15:01] <azerr> hallo
[15:02] <mrunagi> sigh...........if its not one thing its another i cant get me external to mount to burn kubuntu
[15:03] <mrunagi> fuse:failed to create temporary directory
[15:03] <mrunagi> i swear i have a virus
[15:03] <mrunagi> this is rather annoying
[15:04] <mrunagi> does anyone know what that means when trying to mount a hard drive?
[15:04]  * Eruaran is trying out the Kubuntu 8.10 live CD
[15:04] <dr_willis> mrunagi,   Just found this site.. not ubuntu specific    but handy.. or course you got no browser. unless you install a text based one....  it might work in lynx  http://manual.sidux.com/en/cd-no-gui-burn-en.htm
[15:05] <ipfw> mrunagi:  your file systems are hosed (messed up), try the livecd boot, and fsck on partitions like I recommended earlier ?
[15:05] <dr_willis> wodim dev=/dev/hdc driveropts=burnfree,noforcespeed fs=14M speed=8 -dao -eject -overburn -v something.iso
[15:05] <mrunagi> im trying to use livecd i have to burn it
[15:05] <Eruaran> I likes
[15:05] <dr_willis> fuse? what kind of filesystem is that you are trying to mount?
[15:06] <mrunagi> ntfs
[15:06] <ipfw> dr_willis:  from what mrunagi said earlier he has file system issues (corruption) when he boots his machine
[15:06] <Eruaran> the wallpaper is quite striking
[15:06] <dr_willis> what command did you use to mount it?
[15:06] <Eruaran> the desktop hits you when you first see it
[15:06] <mrunagi> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/win
[15:06] <Eruaran> its like, woah, holy shite
[15:06] <ipfw> there are ntfsfix tools also
[15:06] <Eruaran> very nice
[15:06] <dr_willis> could try the ntfs-3g command. but thats proberly will be the same thing.
[15:08] <mrunagi> same output
[15:08] <mrunagi> good god this is annoying its like my pc is crippled
[15:09] <dr_willis> weird that you cant mount it...
[15:09] <mrunagi> theres alot going on thats weird
[15:09] <dr_willis> fuse:failed to create temporary directory seems almost like a permission issue.. or somthing weird
[15:10] <mrunagi> like my hd is read only
[15:10] <mrunagi> or certain parts are
[15:10] <kolla> is there kde3 for kubuntu-8.10?
[15:11] <Tm_T> no (yet?)
[15:11] <dr_willis> You could try mounting it read only with the ntfs filesystem
[15:11] <kolla> ok, time to change distro again... :/
[15:11] <ipfw> kolla:  8.10 runs kde4.1.2 default desktop, but can still use kde3 based applications
[15:11] <mrunagi> same output
[15:11] <kolla> well, it is the kde4 desktop that is totally useless, the apps are ok
[15:14] <mrunagi> i guess i have to reformat
[15:14] <Analkrut> Hi. What is the command you use in terminal to update instead of doing it in adept GUI
[15:14] <oconnect> i upgraded to 8.10, and kdm doesn't show a window for username and password, just the gray wallpaper. any idea how to fix?
[15:14] <PeperJohnny> Analkrut: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:15] <mrunagi> what does ~/.Xauthority not writeable changes will be ignored me
[15:15] <mrunagi> mean
[15:15] <Analkrut> PeperJohnny Thanks
[15:15] <ubuntu_>  hi, i have a probelm ihave uprade my kubuntu 8.04 too 8.10 and after finish i reboot my computer but he  get an errror in the console
[15:15] <ubuntu_> he say something with read-only-file-system
[15:15] <kolla> kinda like the irony of the kde 4.1 slogan.. "Don't look back."
[15:16] <i0i0> @kolla (to see what's better?)
[15:16] <kolla> something like that
[15:17] <i0i0> arar
[15:17] <kolla> dont look back, you might get frustrated
[15:17] <bulletprooved> hello
[15:18] <bulletprooved> i have just download ubuntu and i dont now how to install msn
[15:18] <mrunagi> im frustrated
[15:18] <dr_willis> 'Dont look back, it may be gaining on you'
[15:18] <dr_willis> !msn
[15:19] <kolla> using kopete for irc is frustrating yes :)
[15:19] <kolla> and it isnt particularly good for any of the other protocols either
[15:20] <kabo> how do you take all the gnome apps out?
[15:21] <dr_willis> You mean 'uninstall' ?
[15:21] <kabo> yes sir
[15:22] <kabo> is there anyway to take it all out in one command?
[15:22] <bazhang> !purekde
[15:22] <kolla> dpkg --purge $(COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^i.*gnome/ {print $2}')
[15:22] <kabo> bazhang: awesome! thanks
[15:23] <kolla> if someone actually do that... heh, oh boy :)
[15:23] <Tm_T> kolla: er?
[15:24] <violinappren> hi all, trying to install intrepid, install now hanged on "starting acpi services" while booting, is that a known issue?
[15:24] <kabo> kolla: what does that command mean?
[15:25] <kolla> purge out all packages with "gnome" in them
[15:25] <Aranel> hi, after 8.10 upgrade, i have 2 kicker s now. (kde3 and kde4) how can I get rid of kde3 one?
[15:25] <kolla> all installed packages
[15:25] <Tm_T> Aranel: there's no Kicker in KDE4
[15:25] <kolla> sadly
[15:25] <Samgr> Hello , can i ask sth?
[15:26] <Rob71> can anybody explain to me why there's no digikam in the new version of kubuntu?
[15:26] <kolla> Samgr: you already did
[15:26] <Aranel> Tm_T: so, can I "apt-get remove kicker" now?
[15:26] <PeperJohnny> Rob71: it isnt finished yet
[15:26] <Tm_T> you can
[15:26] <Samgr> How can i use an emerald theme?
[15:26] <jussi01> Hrm, what is the defaul scanning program in Intrepid?
[15:26] <kabo> kolla: awesome! thanks :D
[15:26] <Aranel> Tm_T: it says kicker is not installed already.
[15:26] <Aranel> Tm_T: But Its installed, and starts up automatically.
[15:27] <kolla> kabo: very awsome, maybe too awsome :)
[15:27] <ahmedb> Hi guys, I just recovered from a somewhat bumpy intrepid update :)
[15:27] <Tm_T> Aranel: you have rebooted yet?
[15:28] <Aranel> Tm_T: rebooted twice.
[15:28] <Tm_T> hmmm
[15:28] <Samgr> kabo can you help me?
[15:28] <Aranel> Tm_T: and i was using kde4 with hardy, and never seen kicker, but Its here after 8.10 upgrade.
[15:28] <Rob71> PeperJohnny: so a new version it's going to be pubblished for example a LTS version with all the programs
[15:29] <Tm_T> Rob71: no LTS until 2 or so years
[15:29] <Samgr> well...thanks..
[15:29] <PeperJohnny> Rob71: the next lts version of ubuntu iwill be in 2 1/2 years
[15:29] <kabo> Samgr: with?
[15:29] <Samgr> kubuntu
[15:29] <Tm_T> PeperJohnny: 1 ½ but... meh
[15:29] <ahmedb> I just upgraded to intrepid and I get this kdesudo error dialog at startup .. image here http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8458/img1465by1.jpg .. can anyone help?
[15:29] <kabo> kolla: thats so awesome. i can see its removing it now
[15:30] <PeperJohnny> Tm_T: sorry my fault
[15:30] <Samgr> i want to use an emerald theme but i do not know how
[15:30] <kabo> Samgr: what about kubuntu?
[15:30] <rav> hello. does kopete use a special port for file transfers? I can't received them and I suspect my firewall is blocking that
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> ahmedb: there probably was a kdesudo process hanging around last time you restarted
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> it shouldn't happen too often
[15:30] <Samgr> how can i use an emerald theme?
[15:30] <kabo> Samgr: right click on desktop and click desktop settings
[15:30] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: it happens on every restart
[15:31] <Samgr> thanks!
[15:32] <david0287079> Can someone tell me, is it possible to automate adding an instance of a plasmoid to the desktop using a script?
[15:33] <kabo> Samgr: theres an option there at the bottom to change themes
[15:34] <billyd> I can't get to ISP in 8.10 using Firefox or Konquerer.  eth0 somehow got changed to eth1 in 8.10.  How can I change this?
[15:35] <violinappren> ahmedb: log off and log in again
[15:35] <ahmedb> violinappren: ok then
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> qq
[15:37] <kabo> hey
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> in yakuake I cannot assign my ` top left key on my keyboard to bring up and down yakuake
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> can you advise how I can get this, was fine in kde3.5
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> just seems to want an extra input
[15:38] <violinappren> david0287079: must be a matter of manipulating a text file in .kde
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> im using a POS standard PS2 keyboard
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> nothing shiny or flash
[15:38] <violinappren> see .kde/share/config/
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> violinappren: have been on yakuakerc file but it doesnt appear to be set there
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> violinappren: even if i set it there the original config still stands
[15:39] <violinappren> sorry ActionParsnip, i meant that for david0287079
[15:39] <violinappren> ActionParsnip: but ironically you can try config too!
[15:39] <violinappren> heh
[15:39] <vvikram> i cant start xserver after doing distro upgrade, i am using nvidia driver how to fix it ?
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> oh theres a tool, where please
[15:40] <david0287079> ok thanks violinappren I will look into it
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> vvikram: edit xorg.conf to read Driver "vesa" instead of Driver "nvidia"
[15:40] <rav> vvikram: probably have to reinstall the driver for the new kernel
[15:40] <vvikram> rav how to do that ?
[15:40] <vvikram> ActionParsnip: let me try
[15:40] <billyd> Where does one set up or choose eth0 or eth1?
[15:41] <ahmedb> violinappren: restarted .. now all OK thanks
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> vvikram: that will give you a stock display and you can then reinstall drivers
[15:41] <rav> vvikram: i use envyng to install the driver
[15:41] <comedit> anybody able to help me on a compiling an driver for my Kubuntu64
[15:42] <saurjk> kopete kde4 sucks
[15:43] <saurjk> exit
[15:43] <Tm_T> saurjk: ok
[15:43] <violinappren> comedit: what do you want to install?
[15:43] <comedit> well my soundcard is not supported by alsa
[15:44] <vvikram> ActionParsnip: failed to load module vesa no driver
[15:44]  * vvikram am i online
[15:44] <ldp> Pidgin ftw
[15:44] <jussi01> So none knows what the scanning program for kde4 is?
[15:44] <violinappren> comedit: what/where the driver? and what's the problem installing it?
[15:44] <comedit> Somebody who was here in the forum was going to help me but I have not been able to get in contact again
[15:45] <dr_willis> kooka  for scanners?
[15:45] <jussi01> !info kooka
[15:45] <violinappren> i read somewhere on the dot there was a new app
[15:45] <rav> vvikram: switch to a console, and install the driver
[15:45] <violinappren> something with "lite"
[15:46] <jussi01> ahh
[15:46] <jussi01> !info skanlite
[15:46] <jussi01> :D
[15:46] <jussi01> thanks
[15:46] <ahmedb> Hey guys, after my upgrade to intrepid .. in Sound Settings: my HDA Intel disappeared and now something called PulseAudio surfaced .. and Amarok 2 does not play sound
[15:47] <vvikram> please help me i cant start xserver after doing distro upgrade, i am using nvidia driver how to fix it ?
[15:47] <dr_willis> reinstall the nvidia driver for starters perhaps?
[15:47] <ahmedb> vvikram: did you reinstall the driver?
[15:47] <rav> vvikram: after xserver fails to start, type Alt+F1
[15:47] <vvikram> dr_willis: how to do that ?
[15:47] <vvikram> rav ok
[15:47] <dr_willis> nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new package normally is what you want
[15:48] <violinappren> vvikram: alt + f7 to come back here again
[15:48] <amik> I just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 and after restart I only get a console screen... can anyone help?
[15:48] <rav> vvikram: you can start manually, or use envyng to install for you
[15:48] <vvikram> rav nothing happens when i press alt + f1
[15:48] <Algyz> vvikram,  approximately the same problem for me
[15:49] <ahmedb> amik: were you using nvidia driver?
[15:49] <violinappren> amik: "safe mode" booting than xfix?
[15:49] <Algyz> I can start, but low res
[15:49] <rav> vvikram: you should be at a terminal, login
[15:49] <vvikram> yeah
[15:49] <violinappren> vvikram: ctrl + alt + f1
[15:49] <vvikram> i am using irssi
[15:49] <violinappren> f7 to return to x
[15:49] <ubuntu_> i'm new to this and i'm having trouble with the install
[15:50] <amik> nope, it's in VirtualBox - simple driver. recover mode results in the same. I tried isntalling a fresh copy in a new VM, and it works ok (writing from it). But I don't want to lose the other machine's setup...
[15:50] <ubuntu_it> it'll only work with the cd help
[15:51] <ubuntu_it> who here is good at this?
[15:51] <ubuntu_it> help
[15:52] <dr_willis> ubuntu_it,  you may want to clarify the problem to the channel.
[15:52] <Algyz> ubuntu_it,  explain better pls :)
[15:52] <rav> !it ubuntu_it
[15:52] <vvikram> !nvidia
[15:52] <ubuntu_it> it install but it wont run without the cd
[15:52] <Darthfrog> !it | ubuntu_it
[15:52] <vvikram> lynx
[15:53] <ubuntu_it> the kubuntu 8.10
[15:54] <ubuntu_it> u think it might be computer problems that wont let the program run
[15:54] <violinappren> it's unfortunate but i have to that since edgy i have more and more issues to solve while installing kubuntu while there was almost zero with edgy itself
[15:55] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: What happens when your machine boots without the CD?  Do you see the GRUB boot loader screen?
[15:55] <violinappren> ^ have to say
[15:55] <ubuntu_it> yes but it stays stuck on the checking battery
[15:57] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: How long do you let it stay there before giving up?
[15:57] <legodude> ugh, why does okular respect printing settings on pdfs?
[15:57] <ubuntu_it> it goes on for too long
[15:57] <legodude> I can't believe it does that
[15:57] <|Toad> i upgraded 8.04 to 8.10 last night and i have 2 major problems and 1 big annoyance
[15:57] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: How long is too long?
[15:57] <|Toad> is there a way i can just reverse it?
[15:57] <YingFan> is there a problem with latest adept? I added medibuntu and its gpg key and no new packages show up after updating...
[15:58] <ubuntu_it> i think if i let it it'll go on 4 ever
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> YingFan: run sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[15:58] <ubuntu_it> what do u suggest
[15:58] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: You're not telling me how long you've left it.  It might be doing a file system check, which can take a long time.
[15:58] <YingFan> jonthe, thanks
[15:59] <ubuntu_it> well last time it was for like 15-20 minutes
[16:00] <violinappren> legodude: it was configurable in kpdf, so may be it's in okular
[16:00] <legodude> ugh
[16:00] <legodude> I don't want to have to recompile it
[16:00] <violinappren> settings dialog
[16:00] <rav> does anyone know if Kopete uses a specific port for file transfers?
[16:01] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: Try booting it in recovery mode, that'll give you more info as to what it actually happening and where it is actually being held up.
[16:01] <violinappren> rav: on jabber, no, pick any port but open in the firewall
[16:01] <legodude> got it
[16:01] <legodude> thanks violinappren
[16:01] <hagebake> is anyone else having the problem that kdm_greet uses 100% CPU, and kdm doesn't display the login window?
[16:01] <ubuntu_it> how can i do that?
[16:01] <rav> violinappren: on msn, or yahoo?
[16:01] <legodude> seriously though, why have then enabled as default
[16:01] <violinappren> msn, no, it doesn't have to have an open port
[16:02] <violinappren> dunno about yahoo
[16:02] <violinappren> legodude: you're welcome
[16:02] <Darthfrog> ubuntu_it: It's one of the choices on the GRUB screen.
[16:02] <NBPic> I am running Kubuntu 8.10 on an x64 laptop. I was playing with the screen effects and enabled one (I think the magnifier) that has enabled it impossible to see my desktop (all I see on the screen is black except the cursor). How do I disable it?
[16:03] <ubuntu_it> let me give it a try i'll come back if i cant figure it out
[16:03] <rav> violinappren: i can't receive file transfers, the progress bar shows up on my machine and on the sender's but both stay in 0%
[16:04] <ubuntu_it> thnks darthfrog
[16:04] <violinappren> rav: if you use msn, you're better off with "amsn", for better file transfere and webcam support
[16:04] <legodude> also, is there any way to configure the task switcher?
[16:04] <legodude> I'd rather be able to use arrow keys
[16:04] <YingFan> jontheEchidna still no new packages in adept :(
[16:04] <legodude> than have to control my fingers to hit shift to go back
[16:05] <violinappren> rav: for me, kopete almost always had problems with these on msn
[16:05] <cswift> Hi. I have just installed scilab from binaries into my root folder. How do i make a shell command so that all i have to type is scilab to open the programm?
[16:05] <legodude> cswift: add it to your path
[16:05] <rav> violinappren: me too. i'll try amsn, thanks
[16:05] <cswift> how do i do that?
[16:05] <violinappren> cswift: make a bin directory in your home directory and make a link to binary inside the bin dir
[16:06] <legodude> something like export PATH=/path/to/scilab:$PATH
[16:06] <legodude> if you are using bash
[16:06] <dr_willis> bin in the users home dir - will get auto-added to the path. :) bu the default .bashrc I belive
[16:06] <legodude> wow
[16:06] <legodude> cute
[16:06] <legodude> learn something new every day :)
[16:06] <violinappren> it gets checked for existance first
[16:06] <cswift> thanks for the help give me a min an i will try as much as i can do
[16:06] <YingFan> I've tried apt-get update, adept's update and kpackage update, none gives me any new packages even though it looks like it reads medibuntu fine...
[16:07] <dr_willis> it pays to expore the .bashrc and .bash_profile :)
[16:08] <cswift> ok made the bin directory by doing "mkdir bin" now how do i make a link to binary inside the bin dir
[16:08] <violinappren> ln -s /path/to/something ~/bin
[16:08] <YingFan> is 8.10 an alpha release?
[16:08] <Tm_T> YingFan: no
[16:09] <cswift> thank you. one last question how do i type the cd command to go back to? cd ../../scilab/etc
[16:10] <dr_willis>  time to read up on some bash/linux/command basics :) i think...
[16:10] <dr_willis> back to what?
[16:10] <cswift> hehe i guess
[16:10] <dr_willis> !abs
[16:10] <billyd> Did 8.10 change the way it numbers devices??
[16:10] <dr_willis> billyd,  not that i noticed
[16:11] <violinappren> billyd: seems so on some drivers, someone complained a while ago
[16:11] <natalisushka> Hi, I've got some issues with kubuntu 8.10. Window decoration (or frame where you can close and minimize) is gone! I guess it's because of compize or something. Anyway, how can i get mack to default or restart the interface manager ?
[16:11] <billyd> I was trying to figure oout why 8.10 thinks eth0 is now eth1 and change it so I can get online with 8.10
[16:12] <rav> natalisushka: sounds like you uninstalled compiz, while it was still enabled
[16:12] <YingFan> I can't even get update to work in 8.10 :(
[16:12] <cswift> oh this is a good point in ln -s /path/to/something ~/bin were do i start? In my home directory or at the very beging?
[16:12] <violinappren> i recall that this can somehow be fixed using modprob config files in /etc
[16:12] <violinappren> don't remember exactly how, though, sorry
[16:12] <dr_willis>  I always give full paths when i use ln. :) just in case
[16:12] <Darthfrog> billyd: Eth0 is not a device, it is not in /dev.  It is a kernel network interface and is the exception to the rule that everything is a file in Unix.
[16:13] <natalisushka> rav, no! i have compiz and fusion icon! I just can't get the window decoration back!
[16:13] <dr_willis> using compiz with kde4 ? :)
[16:13] <rav> natalisushka: i solved that by re-installing compiz, then selecting no effects. but that happened to me in 8.04
[16:13] <natalisushka> dr_willis, it was installed before with ubuntu, I installed kubuntu and then upgraded to 8.10
[16:13] <jtmoney> ubuntu guides warn against using fakeraid... i have a question, however... if i have a RAID-1 setup (fakeraid, through the BIOS but not a separate controller), what happens if the controller dies? it seems like i should be able to use the drives indepedently of one another, and thus, with a totally new RAID controller because RAID-1 is simply mirroring the data and not striping it or adding parity or using any sort of proprietary algorithm
[16:14] <billyd> How do I change eth1 back to eth0 or do I try to configure eth1??
[16:14] <Darthfrog> billyd: Try to configure eth1.
[16:14] <cswift> ln -s /scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab ~/bin ok so i do that in my /bin directory and this will mean that when i type in scilab it will run?
[16:14] <billyd> Where?
[16:14] <dr_willis> natalisushka,  you may want to try kde4 without compiz
[16:15] <dr_willis> cswift,  you will have to logoit/backin to get the proper PATH set first
[16:15] <natalisushka> rav is there a way to restore defaults of the system and get it back to it's initial state as if it's a fresh installation? That is including sessions and effects!
[16:15] <dr_willis> cswift,  look in /home/whoever/bin also to be sure the link is right
[16:15] <Darthfrog> billyd: Try "sudo dhclient eth1" and see what happens.
[16:15] <natalisushka> dr_willis, I have kde4.1 with ubuntu 8.10 .. I guess you are write, but i want to keep compiz as I still use ubuntu
[16:15] <cswift>  ok thank you everyone!!! I will try logging now
[16:15] <dr_willis> natalisushka,  you dont have to use compiz with kde4 :)   you can still use it with gnome
[16:16] <billyd> OK
[16:16] <billyd> BAck later
[16:16] <rav> natalisushka: try right clicking on the desktop background, then 'Run command'
[16:16] <rav> natalisushka: type 'compiz' and hit enter
[16:16] <natalisushka> dr_willis, I am having a very strange issue also! I can't type in some apps!!! I opened adept and I can't use keyboard at all!
[16:17] <dr_willis> sounds like a compiz issue..
[16:17] <dr_willis> when in doubt blame compiz :)
[16:17] <rav> natalisushka: in the compiz window, choose no effects
[16:18] <natalisushka> rav, sorry I was logged out
[16:18] <natalisushka> as I said before, even if I do that I can't use keyboard!!!!
[16:18] <natalisushka> It' seems like I can't use any kde app
[16:18] <JeremyBicha> I can't get CHM's to open in okular and I have the extra-backends installed
[16:19] <JeremyBicha> with Intrepid
[16:19] <rav> natalisushka: that happens when KDE wants to  use compiz as window manager, and it is not there
[16:19] <vinci_> hi
[16:19] <natalisushka> rav you're talking about the kayboard issue?
[16:19] <vinci_> i have a question
[16:19] <rav> natalisushka: and the windows with no borders
[16:20] <natalisushka> aha! So, what do you suggest while i don't have access to any kde app with kayboard working?
[16:20] <rav> natalisushka: try right clicking on the desktop background, then 'Run command'
[16:20] <cswift> ok this is interesting. After i do ln -s /scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab /home/cswift/bin/. I get
[16:20] <vinci_> is it different kde4 in ppa repository with the origional kubuntu repository?
[16:20] <cswift> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/cswift/bin/scilab': File exists
[16:20] <cswift> but it still dosent work even after restart
[16:21] <natalisushka> rav, I did, it disappeared behind xchat :/ and I can't move it or minimize it! it sucks
[16:21] <natalisushka> I can't use app switch either
[16:21] <rav> natalisushka: try switching to a different desktop with the mouse wheel
[16:21] <natalisushka> rav, so what do you suggest? Maybe I will get into ubuntu?
[16:22] <violinappren> cswift: type this "file ~/bin/scilab"
[16:22] <violinappren> what does it show?
[16:22] <natalisushka> rav, nothing happes!
[16:22] <cswift> this:  /home/cswift/bin/scilab: broken symbolic link to `/path/to/scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab'
[16:23] <YingFan> is it completely impossible to add medibuntu to 8.10 ? I can't get it to show up in any common package manager despite following the instructions on medibuntu's page
[16:23] <natalisushka> rav, anyway Run command won't work as I can't type in!
[16:23] <violinappren> cswift:  ok where's scilab is installed in your machine?
[16:23] <violinappren> the full path
[16:23] <rav> natalisushka: you usually can type in that one
[16:24] <cswift> at:  /scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab  there is no folder before this
[16:24] <violinappren> cswift: so when you type  just "/scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab", the program starts?
[16:25] <cswift> yes
[16:25] <violinappren> ok, now do this
[16:25] <violinappren> "rm ~/bin/scilab"
[16:25] <violinappren> then
[16:25] <violinappren> "ln -s /scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab ~/bin/scilab"
[16:26] <violinappren> then type "file ~/bin/scilab" and see what it shows
[16:27] <cswift> Wow man it works now thank you. It shows /home/cswift/bin/scilab: symbolic link to `/scilab-5.0.2/bin/scilab'
[16:27] <violinappren> now you should be able to write just "scilab"
[16:27] <cswift> yep :D Thank you very much violinappren
[16:27] <violinappren> cswift: no problem
[16:28] <YingFan> what file does adept and kpackage get the package info from? /var/lib/dpkg/available ?
[16:28] <cswift> now do you know how to get it into the start menu? :P
[16:28] <violinappren> cswift: there was a program in kde 3 called kmenuedit
[16:29] <violinappren> not sure if it's in kde 4, though
[16:29] <jussi01> cswift: right click the menu icon -> menu editor
[16:30] <cswift> violinappren: Nope no programm this time. It does not matter though I am happy with terminal
[16:30] <cswift> oh wow jussi01 thank you
[16:30] <PasNox> hi
[16:30] <Alex135_> are the repos for intrepid just slow or something? or is there a potential problem with knetwork manager (KDE4)
[16:30] <jussi01> Alex135_: they are slow because of the release
[16:31] <PasNox> i have a problem, i have added in xorg.conf the composite and addrgbvalues so i can be able to enable desktopeffects in kde4. all is working great except that qt3/kde3 apps are ugly paint
[16:31] <PasNox> many elemen are missing/unpaint
[16:31] <PasNox> any idea ?
[16:31] <Alex135> jussi01: ah ok, because it takes forever for adept to connect and update
[16:31] <jussi01> Alex135: yep
[16:31] <mrunagi_> can anyone help me with a serious problem
[16:31] <YingFan> something seems fundamentally wrong with 8.10's package management though
[16:31] <mrunagi_> kdm wont run
[16:31] <jussi01> !slow
[16:32] <rav> !torrents
[16:32] <violinappren> or google apt-p2p
[16:32] <Alex135> also is there a bug with it identifying a intel video card? as even xorg.conf has a verry default config and i dont belive hardware accell is working right even though i do have desktop effects
[16:32] <jussi01> err, needs updating
[16:33] <cswift> Thanks again for everyones help. cya
[16:33] <mrunagi_> i think my linux has a virus
[16:33] <mrunagi_> !fsck
[16:34] <kewlix> good job guys, the new kubuntu is great !
[16:34] <PasNox> nobody know for composite kde4 problems ?
[16:35] <Alex135> argh ill be back later, im remoted into my WORKING 8.04 box at home to talk on irc, ill be back in 20 minutes to an hour
[16:36] <mrunagi__> !fsck
[16:37] <violinappren> mod plz?
[16:38] <Nece228> does ubuntu 8.10 removed lag with flash?
[16:38] <mrunagi__> how do i run fsck on this hard drive linux is on...........-F didnt work
[16:39] <|Toad> i upgraded to 8.10, is there any way i can revert it back to 8.04 without wiping the drive?
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> |Toad: no
[16:41] <|Toad> okay
[16:41] <|Toad> so can i get 8.10 to work with my wireless, because it doesnt work now
[16:41] <|Toad> and i'm running 8.10 with the 8.04 kernel becuase hte new one crashes
[16:42] <kewlix> the tray icon for power manager is 'weird', it doesn't match the beauty of all the others
[16:42] <mrunagi__> can anyone help me figure out why kdm wont start
[16:42] <rav> mrunagi__: do you know if the xserver is working?
[16:42] <mrunagi__> how do i find out
[16:43] <rav> mrunagi__: do you have an nvidia video card?
[16:43] <mrunagi__> yes
[16:43] <rav> mrunagi__: then you don't have the driver, and the xserver is not starting up
[16:43] <KDE44> !es
[16:43] <mrunagi__> that doesnt make sense..........i had the driver 2 days ago
[16:43] <Analkrut> Is there a good program to get desktop gadgets??
[16:44] <rav> mrunagi__: the drivers are kernel specific, if you upgrade the kernel then you have to reintall the driver for the new kernel
[16:44] <mrunagi__> i didnt upgrade
[16:45] <rav> mrunagi__: it just broke for no reason?
[16:45] <mrunagi__> as far as i know
[16:45] <mrunagi__> im trying to locate a reason why
[16:45] <rav> mrunagi__: try reinstalling the driver
[16:46] <lulu> hi
[16:46] <mrunagi__> how do we know its the driver
[16:46] <Nece228> !hi | lulu
[16:46] <rav> mrunagi__: it's either the driver, or that the xorg.conf file was overwritten
[16:46] <lulu> i'm beginning on ubuntu
[16:46] <Nece228> lulu good
[16:46] <mrunagi__> so whats the best way for installing the driver for my card then
[16:47] <lulu> instal is allright
[16:47] <lulu> i'm trying it
[16:47] <acke> hey i removed my main panel how can i get it back?
[16:47] <mrunagi__> !driver
[16:48] <SlimeyPete> !nvidia
[16:48] <rav> mrunagi__: if you want to reset xorg.conf, try this 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg'
[16:49] <rav> mrunagi__: that will give you a generic conf file, with the generic driver, and X should start in low resolution
[16:49] <mrunagi__> dexconf: error: cannot create temporary work directory; "/tmp" does not exist
[16:49] <mrunagi__> i swear to god i have a virus
[16:51] <mrunagi__> no ideas?
[16:52] <rav> mrunagi__: i'd reintall the nvidia driver
[16:52] <mrunagi__> i think it has more to do with /tmp
[16:52] <mrunagi__> what permissions do /tmp have normally
[16:53] <rosco_y> which channel should I go to for multimedia help?
[16:53] <mrunagi__> why cant i cd to /tmp
[16:54] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: sounds like permission problems to me]
[16:54] <liam_> kubuntu crashes when trying to do version update download to 8.10 any help please
[16:54] <mrunagi__> what are /tmp permissions usually
[16:54] <rosco_y> not sure, but I'll look at mine
[16:54] <mrunagi__> thank you
[16:55] <mrunagi__> 1777?
[16:55] <rosco_y> mine is read/write/excute for everybody (owner, user, group)
[16:55] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: 777
[16:55] <mrunagi__> sigh
[16:56] <mrunagi__> i guess it doesnt matter
[16:56] <mrunagi__> i cant chmod tmp because linux says it doesnt exist
[16:56] <rosco_y> you might have to use "sudo chmod"
[16:56] <rosco_y> :)
[16:56] <mrunagi__> no such file or directory
[16:56] <rosco_y> I think /tmp should be standard
[16:56] <mrunagi__> its right there in the dir i dont understand
[16:56] <rosco_y> ....you see it when you list the directories?
[16:57] <mrunagi__> yup
[16:57] <rosco_y> how abou this: ls -l /
[16:57] <mrunagi__> i get ???????????????????????????? for tmp
[16:57] <rosco_y> wow....this is out of my league
[16:57] <mrunagi__> anyone?
[16:58] <Analkrut> Is there something special you need to download to be able to use the "make" command???
[16:58] <acke> hey, i removed my kde panel do you know how i can get it back? i dont have access to the programsmenu now... :I
[16:58] <rosco_y> I'm a newbie myself, but it sounds like you are having hd or fs problems
[16:58] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: I guess you could try to rmdir /tmp
[16:58] <mrunagi__> says it doesnt exist
[16:58] <rosco_y> and then recreate it, and  chmod 777
[16:58] <mrunagi__> i cant recreate it..........says it doesnt exist
[16:59] <Alex135> acke: right click and hit add widgit and look for one that looks like the kde menu (hopefully your useing kde4)
[16:59] <rosco_y> I'll bet you have to do a filesystem repair
[16:59] <acke> Alex135: i dont have a panel to rightclick on. how do i get the panel?
[16:59] <Alex135> acke: are you useing kde4?
[16:59] <rosco_y> you could start by researching fsck
[16:59] <mrunagi__> how do i without the live cd
[16:59] <Gr> Is there something special you need to download to be able to use the "make" command???
[16:59] <mrunagi__> id love to run fsck but i dont have a live cd =(
[17:00] <acke> Alex135: no older version
[17:00] <Alex135> acke: k, 1 sec
[17:00] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: look for a second opnion please, but if that was happening to me, I'd be tempted to try fsck -p
[17:01] <rosco_y> you don't have a live cd?
[17:01] <mrunagi__> no
[17:01] <mrunagi__> im in the army..........things get lost and destroyed
[17:01] <rosco_y> can you download one?
[17:01] <mrunagi__> no
[17:01] <rosco_y> mr
[17:02] <ki6amd> mrunagi__ are you needing a copy of the latest ISO?
[17:02] <rosco_y> mrunagi__: there is a small image which is useful for these kinds of situations, would you be able to download that (if I could remember what it was)
[17:02] <mrunagi__> yes
[17:02] <ki6amd> ...msg me your info, I'll mail you one
[17:02] <mrunagi__> ki6amd: i cant download anything large im tethering
[17:02] <rosco_y> let me scratch my head for awhile --- yes, that does feel good
[17:03] <Alex135> acke: ok first hit alt + F2
[17:04] <acke> Alex135: okay i get the run command dilaog
[17:04] <Alex135> acke: then enter this: systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[17:05] <ki6amd> damn!
[17:05] <rosco_y> shoot, I just came back with an answer for mnunagi
[17:06] <rosco_y> ki6amd: that was a nice gesture on your part
[17:06] <ki6amd> I've got so many friends in the military, I know how it is
[17:06] <rosco_y> I was going to tell him that he could try gparted
[17:06] <acke> Alex135: systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m right?
[17:07] <Alex135> acke: yes
[17:07] <l3d> happy Halloween
[17:07] <rosco_y> My son has just joined the Air force
[17:07] <rosco_y> Thank you, Happy Halloween to you too.
[17:07] <Alex135> acke: actually never mind, the way i was gonna go doesn't work
[17:07] <Alex135> acke: 1 sec while i find out another method
[17:07] <acke> Alex135: nope nothing happend
[17:07] <acke> Alex135:  thanks
[17:08] <Bauldrick> Hi - I'd like to run a python script at boot, can I just create an init.d start/stop script or do I need to run it as a deamon and create a pid? or am i confusing and over complicating things
[17:08] <ki6amd> expecting them to DL an ISO is impossible when watching a youtube video takes an hour
[17:08] <Alex135> acke: actually, have you logged out at all since you broke the bar?
[17:09] <acke> Alex135: no, i havent. its a home server.
[17:09] <jtisme> acke systemsettings -caption "%c %i %m"  should bring up system settings window
[17:09] <rosco_y> Alex135: what kind of bar?
[17:09] <acke> jtisme: it will
[17:09] <jtisme> if that is what you are tyring to do
[17:09] <Alex135> acke: if you have idrect access to the computer hit CTRL + ALT+ Backspace and it should reset x, since KDE doesn't save settings untill you logout you should be able to login again with everything restored
[17:09] <Alex135> direct*
[17:10] <ki6amd> rosco_y: I have a friend in every service and some family in the Army and Marines
[17:10] <acke> Alex135: okay i will restart, do you think that will help?
[17:10] <Alex135> acke: depends on waht you mean by restart
[17:11] <Alex135> acke:  are you at the machine itself now?
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: or are you remoted in
[17:11] <acke> Alex135: remote
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: dang
[17:11] <ki6amd> My closet friend is in the USAF, he lovwes it so much I think he'll retire there
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: then dont try that
[17:11] <rosco_y> ki6amd: Its good that some are willing to volunteer
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: do you mine having all kde settings reset?
[17:11] <Alex135> acke: to default?
[17:11] <Alex135> mind*
[17:11] <acke> Alex135: i have access to the computer. and remote access with ssh. its not an issue restarting
[17:12] <acke> Alex135:  got to go. laundry. see you later.
[17:12] <Alex135> acke: restarting will just save the KDE settings as they are
[17:12] <Alex135> acke: unless you can kill KDM
[17:13] <acke> Alex135:  okay i will not restart. but there got to be a way to get the panel back. :O
[17:13] <Captain_Haddock> I upgraded a friend's comp earlier today to Intrepid.. all seemed to have gone well... but upon reboot, I got to the login screen fine whereupon the system slowed to a crawl and I couldn't do anything.
[17:13] <acke> gottagot
[17:13] <edju> Is there a way to upgrade to 8.10 and keep kde3, perhaps as an option?
[17:13] <Alex135> acke: k, ill be here with a solution when you get back
[17:13] <acke> Alex135: great thanks a lot
[17:13] <Alex135> edju: simple, download kubuntu 8.10 with KDE3
[17:14] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i have seen several comments here about that condition but no solutiions
[17:14] <Captain_Haddock> I've tried an earlier kernel and also tried recovery mode with the present one where I reset xorg.conf all to no avail
[17:14] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: ah :( Too bad.
[17:14] <Captain_Haddock> thanks.
[17:14] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, can you do  cntl + alt + 1 and get console window
[17:14] <edju> Alex135, Huh?  I didn't see that as an option.
[17:15] <roy__> how do I enter multilanguages like in ubuntu?
[17:15] <Alex135> edju: download the kubuntu 8.10 ISO
[17:15] <Alex135> edju: with kde3 support
[17:15] <Alex135> edju: it should be there
[17:15] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: I'm not at that PC now... Will be there tomorrow again to trying to fix things. What is your suggestion?
[17:15] <edju> Alex135, I'll look again.
[17:15] <Alex135> edju: nvm, i was wrong
[17:16] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, get to console window and run top to see what is hogging system resources
[17:16] <IppatsuMan> Hi :) I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 (clean install). Everything works fine except unmounting my external hdd. KDE doesn't unmount the partitions saying that the device is used by an application. In fact fuser reports that it is used by kded, I have to kill it to unmount the device. Is this a known bug?
[17:16] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: IIRC, CTRL + ALT + F1 didn't work.. I wasn't able to use the keyboard at all.
[17:16] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, strange
[17:16] <skabet> Is it a common problem that new uses can't start a new kde session?
[17:17] <Captain_Haddock> CTRL + Backspace did work, but the screen which initially had been perfect (visually) became garbled upon restart.
[17:17] <Alex135> IppatsuMan: perhaps you could help me, 8.10 seems to be running slow for me as it seems that the intel card is not setup properly, also the network manager is screwy. you know a way to fix this?
[17:17] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, boot to single user and run top then start kdm and see if you can get back to  console
[17:18] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: I'll try that. I did boot to root in recovery mode and ran startx which resulted in the same behaviour. I could however alt + f1 / f2 though - I should've checked top then.
[17:19] <IppatsuMan> Alex135: maybe Kubuntu activated desktop effects even if it isn't a good idea for oyur card, try disabling composite. Clic on the top left icon in any window and choose "Configure window behavior", then uncheck "enable desktop effects"
[17:19] <Captain_Haddock> is compiz activated at the login prompt, btw?
[17:20] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, if you get the root console then start kdm etc. you should be able to  CNTL +ALT + BS and get back to console
[17:20] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, dont know about compiz at all
[17:20] <mrunagi> i fixed it
[17:20] <mrunagi> YAY~!
[17:20] <Captain_Haddock> Captain_Haddock: righto
[17:20] <Captain_Haddock> er
[17:20] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: righto* :P
[17:20] <IppatsuMan> Captain_Haddock: as far as I know composite is acrivated only after login, I could be wrong, though.
[17:21] <Alex135> IppatsuMan: i would like desktop effects, however it seems its not configuring my intel card correctly as xorg.conf is a clean default and nothing special is in it for my intel card
[17:21] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: I'm assuming that the 4.1 desktop effects is just compiz?
[17:21] <mmo|> Anyone know what to install to get video support in 8.10...I mean divx and xvid and such. Now kdemultimedia doesnt do much I think...
[17:21] <IppatsuMan> Captain_Haddock: no, the composite effects are built in the new kwin
[17:21] <mrunagi> sometimes i like having windows on this pc
[17:21] <Captain_Haddock> cool
[17:22] <Captain_Haddock> IppatsuMan: just wondering because my mouse works fine initally once X starts and then begins struggling a couple of seconds later
[17:22] <IppatsuMan> mmo|: use the medibuntu repository
[17:22] <IppatsuMan> Captain_Haddock: does it work fine before log in?
[17:23] <Captain_Haddock> IppatsuMan: this is on the login screen itself
[17:23] <Captain_Haddock> I am unable to log in
[17:23] <Captain_Haddock> s/I am/I was
[17:24] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, can you select menu at login screen
[17:24] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: nope, I couldn't click on anything even if I inched my way across the screen
[17:24] <Captain_Haddock> keyboard shortcuts didn't work either
[17:25] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, we r talking about 8.10 and kde 4.1 right
[17:25] <Captain_Haddock> yep
[17:26] <IppatsuMan> Captain_Haddock: you could try booting with a live cd, mounting Kubuntu's partition and check if there are interesting log messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log - but I'm not able to help much further than this, I fear
[17:26] <yaghmorassen> salut tt le mondes
[17:26] <Captain_Haddock> all login screen elements seemed to have a keyboard shortcut
[17:26] <wheresmydesktop> hello
[17:26] <yaghmorassen> personne ne parle en français ici je pense
[17:26] <wheresmydesktop> Booting from Kubuntu CD 8.10: Out of frequency. Ctrl-Alt-"keypad-minus" doesn't help, Ctrl-Alt-F2 dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg shows only keyboard options, sudo vi etc/x11/xorg.config shows a file with mostly comments about how now conf is automtic. HELP?
[17:26] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, how did you get to 8.10 upgrade or new install
[17:27] <abby87> hmm how can i upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04(kubuntu kde4 remix) using the normal 8.10 installation cd?
[17:27] <Captain_Haddock> IppatsuMan: I can get to the shell in recovery mode.. I didn't find anything telltale in xorg.0.log, although I don't know much about it
[17:27] <Captain_Haddock> IppatsuMan: thanks for your help :)
[17:27] <IppatsuMan> You're welcome :)
[17:27] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: alternate CD mounted upgrade
[17:28] <Captain_Haddock> incidentally, why did I have to download 657MB of updates on the second day of release? :S /rhetorical/
[17:29] <Captain_Haddock> oh
[17:29] <Captain_Haddock> btw, I wasn't able to perform an offline upgrade - the updater crapped out with what was - I'm assuming - a dependency issue.
[17:29] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i only had six updates myself interesting
[17:29] <vbgunz> I cannot dual boot back into Windows. I do not get a grub error. it just says grub starting, grub (blinking underscore) *but* I cannot type anything in. I have to Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot out of that screen :/
[17:30] <Captain_Haddock> so, the updater only proceeded if I allowed it to check the Internet for updates (slow as hell)
[17:30] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i am not a fan of upgrades i always fresh install to another slice and see how it behaves first
[17:31] <jonathan_> hello!
[17:31] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i am actually seeing some trivial 4.1 problems but the kde folks r covered up with real problems at this point so i am working around the matters
[17:31] <jonathan_> I've a question
[17:31] <jtisme> !question |jonathan_
[17:31] <jonathan_> i installed vlc right now to watch normal videos that i have on my external drive.
[17:31] <jonathan_> ubottu don't spam ;)
[17:31] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: yeah, I'm seriously considering holding off on upgrading my primary desktop
[17:31] <jonathan_> ok
[17:32] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, i would
[17:32] <jonathan_> and now the video is flickering a lot when i watch one...
[17:32] <jussi01> ubottu: is a bot
[17:33] <jonathan_> i know ubottu is a bot ;)
[17:33] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, there are just too many variables in upgrading and so i dont do it, ever
[17:33] <jonathan_> i hate ubottu by the way ;)
[17:33] <abby87> !kde4
[17:33] <Captain_Haddock> jtisme: I was just looking forward to upgrading a few apps, nothing more :( ktorrent etc. don't backport most of their borderline fixes
[17:33] <abby87> hmm how can i upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04(kubuntu kde4 remix) using the normal 8.10 installation cd?
[17:33] <Captain_Haddock> abby87: I don't believe you can. you need the alternate install CD
[17:34] <abby87> darn i just wasted a lot of time downloadin that installation cd
[17:34] <Ramblurr> the intrepid update wants to overwrite a new hal.conf but the "new" one is just deleteing a crap ton of entries  http://rafb.net/p/5YK0P037.html should i allow that?
[17:34] <Captain_Haddock> abby87: I might be wrong though.
[17:34] <abby87> this thing annoys me a lot about ubuntu ...sometimes i like fedora there
[17:34] <jussi01> abby87: only way to do itwith that cd is a full reinstal
[17:35] <dario__> hi, i have some problems with audio in my kubuntu 8.10 kde4: mplayer plays audio fine but any kde app can do the same. Seems related to phonon, is there anyone who can help me? More strange is that notifications are played well but can't be played in systemsettings
[17:35] <jussi01> abby87: feel free to use fedora if you like it better :D
[17:36] <jussi01> dario__: youve been to system settings -sounds  and set the priorities on your sound card there?
[17:36] <abby87> jussi01: i'm not against any os i actually use both...i like particular features which are absent/present in either of them
[17:37] <Captain_Haddock> abby87: I just get the alternate CD every time.
[17:37] <acke> Alex135: any progress on the panel issue?
[17:37] <abby87> Captain_Haddock: first time upgrading experience i usually reinstall :P
[17:37] <dario__> jussi01: yeah, sorry, i forgot to mention it: there are no devices in that tab, no device in any category. There's only PulseAudio as advanced device
[17:38] <Captain_Haddock> abby87: ah :)
[17:38] <Alex135> acke: 1 sec
[17:39] <jtisme> i learned long ago to save my important config files do fresh install and run script to recover all my config files, make my life much easier
[17:40] <jtisme> makes
[17:40] <Vir> hi, just updated to 8.10 (well this morning, took until now to fix everything to bring it back up) and now sound is not working. As I can see pulseaudio is now running, but it seems to not want to give me access, what's wrong? Do I now need to be in another group?
[17:41] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, it is really a wonder that the various distros work on so many different hw platforms
[17:42] <Captain_Haddock> they all run on the same (more or less) kernel though, right?
[17:42] <jtisme> Captain_Haddock, yes that is a blessing can u imagine several flavors of the kernel yuck!
[17:42] <Captain_Haddock> heh
[17:43] <DJTachyon_> so ... can i just update to 8.10 while in the os? :)
[17:43] <dario__> jussi01: any other idea?
[17:45] <Captain_Haddock> DJTachyon_: yep, that's the idea :)
[17:46] <Vir> any ideas about pulse in 8.10? can I ask somewhere else?
[17:48]  * Vir kills pulse then
[17:48] <DJTachyon_> so captain, how do i initiate that?
[17:48] <dario__> Vir my problem is similar to yours, have you tried playing files with mplayer?
[17:48] <dario__> do you hear notifications?
[17:48] <dario__> can dragonplayer play sounds?
[17:49] <Vir> dario__: all silent. Just stopped pulse and now all is fine
[17:49] <Vir> pulse uses hw access normally and if I can't get access to play over pulse then all is silent
[17:50] <Vir> the question is why pulse now is hogging the soundcard and the update didn't give me the right to access pulse
[17:50] <dario__> does every app play well? I don't have pulseaudio running but i'm unable to play sounds via kde
[17:51] <Vir> dario__: dragon plays
[17:51] <Captain_Haddock> DJTachyon_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[17:51] <dario__> Vir what's the name of the process to kill?
[17:52] <Vir> dario__: sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop
[17:53] <dario__> there's no pulseaudio in that dir, very strange...
[17:54] <Vir> then you probably have a different problem. See phonon.kde.org for a few tips
[17:55] <Analkrut> When you use the apt-get command, what else then "python-devel" should you type to get the python-devel package????
[17:55] <jtisme> Analkrut, sudo apt-get install ....
[17:56] <judd1> I just did a fresh install of the Kubuntu 8.10 i386 desktop on my thinkpad t61.  It installed.. but bootup fails at the KDE startup screen.  I let it sit for over and hour, and it never got to the desktop.  Anyone else see this?
[17:56] <Analkrut> jtisme I typed that and then "python-devel" but it sais that there is now package named that
[17:56] <Analkrut> no*
[17:56] <jtisme> judd1, think i saw similar behavior with live cd
[17:57] <White_Pelican> I'm just now starting to use kde 4.12, how do I change that fugly black theme?
[17:57] <jtisme> Analkrut, then type  sudo apt-cache search  string  to search for pkg name
[17:57] <jtisme> judd1, are you familiar with boot options in grub
[17:57] <Tm_T> White_Pelican: first, stop using cursinglike language, secondly, rightclick desktop and have some configure love
[17:58] <judd1> jtisme - yes, I know grub well.
[17:58] <Darthfrog> Does PulseAudio add anything to Kubuntu?  Does it conflict with or complement Phonon?
[17:58] <jtisme> judd1, then remove the splash from the boot line and see if kde comes up
[17:58] <Tm_T> Darthfrog: Phonon uses pulseaudio
[17:58] <Tm_T> so...
[17:58] <Vir> Darthfrog: for KDE 4.2 it can be used, with KDE 4.1 it's in the way
[17:59] <DJTachyon_> Captain: it says command not found
[17:59] <DJTachyon_> im running the Intrepid RC
[17:59] <Vir> Tm_T: not yet
[17:59] <Vir> Tm_T: it uses ALSA directly
[17:59] <judd1> jtisme - the kubuntu splash comes up OK.. it's hangs on KDE startup.
[17:59] <Tm_T> Vir: it does, atleast here
[17:59] <Vir> Tm_T: KDE 4.1 as shipped with 8.10?
[17:59] <Darthfrog> Vir, Tm_T Tnx.
[17:59] <judd1> jtisme - kde shows a few slightly glowing icons during startup.. but they never go fully bright. :(
[17:59] <Tm_T> Vir: ...bah, I forgot, I use trunk =)
[17:59] <jtisme> judd1, you get the login screen then things go away
[17:59] <Tm_T> Darthfrog: see what Vir said (;)
[17:59] <Vir> Tm_T: right
[18:00] <judd1> jtisme - I never get to the login screen.. KDE seems to die on startup.
[18:00] <Vir> for now pulse doesn't add anything to the KDE experience
[18:00] <Vir> so I'd rather leave it out for a KDE desktop
[18:00] <Vir> in the future that might change
[18:00] <Tm_T> it might not add even later on either
[18:00] <jtisme> judd1, then remove the splash from the boot options and see if things work did for me
[18:00] <Vir> the reason why Phonon can work with Pulse is so that apps work in a GNOME environment, too
[18:01] <judd1> jtisme - That would shock the hell out of me.  I'll reboot and report back.  Thanks for the help, jtisme
[18:03] <PasNox> i ahve some problems with composite/addrgbvalues in intrepid, and desktopeffects activated, does anyone have such problem ?
[18:04] <Tm_T> PasNox: not me
[18:04] <PasNox> :(
[18:04] <Tm_T> PasNox: but apparently you do (;)
[18:04] <PasNox> if i deactivaded he desktop effects, all is ok
[18:04] <Tm_T> PasNox: I guess you also have some questions, so ask (;
[18:05] <jwheaton> Hey, all.  Lurking to watch the traffic out of the corner of my eye.  I want to say to the Kubuntu team "nice job".
[18:05] <PasNox> Tm_T: i have the problem, i ned them diseapear, here is the question :)
[18:05] <Analkrut> jtisme "sudo apt-cache search string python-devel" didn't work, nothing happened
[18:05] <jwheaton> I upgraded an ancient HP laptop to Intrepid this AM and it went nicely.  I'm still tepid about KDE4, but my only major hestitation is panels are hideable.
[18:05] <jwheaton> oops -- panels AREN'T hideable.
[18:06] <prateek> Yeah, that's basically the reason I'm sticking with 8.04. :-(
[18:06] <prateek> For me, KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.1 would be a downgrade.
[18:06] <jtisme> Analkrut, sudo apt-cache search python   gives list of all possible python pkgs then you can install what devl pkg you want to
[18:06] <jwheaton> preteek: my primary machine will stay 8.04 for a bit.  Once KDE4 stabilizes a bit more, I am going to jump in with both feet.
[18:07] <jtisme> jwheaton, smart person
[18:07] <jwheaton> I like my screen real estate
[18:07] <prateek> jwheaton: Oh ok. I have only one machine to play with.
[18:07] <prateek> Me too.
[18:07] <jwheaton> and not a desktop cluttered with widgets to get something similar to 3.5.x
[18:07] <prateek> I love the 54-pixel tall auto-hide panel with a 3-row taskbar.
[18:08] <jwheaton> But, otherwise, KDE4 is pretty neat.  I look forward to replacing all/most of my karamba stuff with widgets.
[18:08] <prateek> KDE 4.1 as in Intrepid doesn't have a multi row taskbar either.
[18:08] <prateek> Hmm...
[18:08] <jwheaton> hey... yeah... what's up with that.  Multi-row taskbar is a -must-.
[18:09] <prateek> Yup.
[18:09] <prateek> :-(
[18:10] <jwheaton> BUT the KDE team does say it right.  It is stable, though lacking features of KDE3 yet-to-be-incorporated.
[18:10] <jwheaton> So, I'm not knocking them ... that's a heck of a lot of effort to come up with KDE4.
[18:10] <prateek> I was evaluating the Intrepid live CD today and was actually willing to give up the panel entirely, put a standalone systray on the desktop itself, and primarily use Ctrl+F12, Ctrl+F9, and Alt-Tab... but then even the systray seemed to be buggy with icons disappearing every now and then. So I'm giving up and sticking with 8.04.
[18:11] <prateek> Oh yeah...
[18:11] <jwheaton> Yeah, I noticed that about the system tray widget :(
[18:11] <prateek> I'd have liked Kubuntu not to switch to a feature-incomplete KDE, though...
[18:11] <jwheaton> I need to get off my butt and file a bug (or throw my weight on one).
[18:12] <prateek> Yup...
[18:14] <prateek> One thing I always liked about KDE was the konfigurability. :-)
[18:14] <prateek> Nice to open KControl or Tools->Configure in some app and have lots of options to play with.
[18:15] <prateek> I saw less of that in KDE 4, I think... though I haven't seen much.
[18:17] <donavan> I tried using xrandr to configure a dual head ATI config and it locks up xorg. Any suggestions as what to poke at?  I'm on 8.10...
[18:17] <violinappren> !synergy
[18:17] <violinappren> removed from intrepid?!!
[18:17] <jwheaton> Synergy?  Using it right now.  It is awesome!
[18:18] <jwheaton> Oh, that sucks.
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> !info synergy
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> violinappren: ^
[18:18] <violinappren> ah sorry forgot "info"
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[18:19] <White_Pelican> there is an app in adept called kde4 panel extra gear, what is it's purpose?
[18:20] <jwheaton> extra plasmoids/widgets
[18:20] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[18:20] <edju> Is there a way to upgrade to 8.10 and keep kde3, perhaps as an option?
[18:20] <jwheaton> Not from what I have read.
[18:20] <jwheaton> KDE3 isn't even in the Intrepid repositories.
[18:20] <violinappren> edju: compile it yourself?
[18:20] <jwheaton> exactly
[18:21] <jwheaton> I was going to upgrade my primary machine on a whim until I read a note that said 8.10 went whole-hog and is only KDE4.
[18:21] <jwheaton> That put the brakes on reaaaal fast for me.
[18:21] <edju> Yeah, me too.
[18:22] <rgreening> KDE 4.1.2 is pretty good actually. I'd recommend at least test spinning the live CD
[18:22] <jwheaton> agreed
[18:22] <edju> I already that.
[18:22] <jwheaton> It is only going to get better with more people using it an suggesting features.
[18:22] <edju> did that
[18:22] <donavan> KDE 4.1.2 would be pretty good if dual head worked
[18:23] <rgreening> 4.0 in hardy wasn't for me, but that was more a "get your feet wet" kind of deal. This one is much more polished
i always thought kde's strong point was the fantastic apps and framework not the shell, but unfortunately alot focus seem to have been diverted to the shell in kde 4</unhelpful-whining>
[18:23] <jwheaton> I'm sure the KDE team already has a plan, but if everyone screams for ... oh ... HIDEABLE PANELS ... we just might get it .  ;)
[18:23] <rgreening> 4.2
[18:24] <jwheaton> really?  sweeeet.
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> yup, went into 4.2 about a month ago
[18:24] <rgreening> I'm pretty sure I remember reading a blog from asiego
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> well, what will become 4.2
[18:24] <edju> It's the little stuff - the Kmenu is awful.  Why not just a list?
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> right click on kmenu -> classical menu
[18:24] <PeperJohnny> edju: you can switch it to classic menu
[18:24] <rgreening> exactly
[18:24] <rgreening> That's what I use.
[18:25]  * JontheEchidna uses KRunner
[18:25]  * violinappren supports alt+f2
[18:25] <rgreening> The kickoff is nice for about 10 minutes, then it's quite anti productive for me.
[18:25] <stahlmanz> need help
[18:25] <rgreening> ALT+F2 rox
[18:25] <stahlmanz> im on linux server and need mp3 codecs
[18:25] <jwheaton> I started using Katapult in 3.5x ... KRunner in KDE4 beats the pants off that IMO
[18:25] <stahlmanz> my admin isnt letting me
[18:25] <stahlmanz> needs password
[18:25] <stahlmanz> any way around?
[18:26] <rgreening> stahlmanz: you may need to download src package and compile manually to instal in a local dir.
[18:26] <stahlmanz> the problem is that i cannot download or install anything because everything needs admin rights
[18:26] <rgreening> Not sure which package
[18:27] <rgreening> Install to a local dir does only require your privs
[18:27] <stahlmanz> how do i install this
[18:27] <rgreening> the download will be an issue if you arent allowed im afraid
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  ok
[18:27] <jparishy_> Hey, how do I make my GTK apps, ie firefox, look like the rest of my KDE applications (Use the same theme?)
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  is there any way i can get them in an email
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  and install them?
[18:27] <violinappren> stahlmanz: if you don't have shell access, forget it
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  because gmail is aloud on our machines
[18:27] <stahlmanz>  i have konsole access
[18:28] <violinappren> then google how to compile and install tarballs
[18:28] <stahlmanz>  i cant google it because i have no internet
[18:28] <stahlmanz>  that is blocked also
[18:28] <rgreening> stahlmanz: you may want to post in the forums. you need to know a) which package b) how to modify makefiles c) how to compile d) have access to a compiler...
[18:29] <rgreening> I think you will not be able to accomplish this (easily, if at all)
[18:29] <stahlmanz> so even if i emailed them to myself i cannot install them?
[18:29] <Tukon> anyone have a ppa source for firefox (minefield) nightly builds?
[18:30] <rgreening> src code needs to be compiled. do you know how to compile?
[18:30] <rgreening> stahlmanz: ^
[18:30] <stahlmanz>  i do not know
[18:30] <stahlmanz>  im a nub with linux
[18:31] <rgreening> stahlmanz: then, no its unlikely that you'll be able to do this. The admin has locked down the system for a reason. I would not like to circumvent that
[18:31] <stahlmanz>  but the question is could you?
[18:31] <rgreening> stahlmanz: anything is possible if you know how.
[18:31] <stahlmanz>  could you give me instructions on how to
[18:32] <Masterkong> hiya
[18:32] <stahlmanz> im not trying to hack his system im just trying to get simple codecs
[18:32] <violinappren> stahlmanz: and to put things in focus this is a kubuntu support channel not a "security interest" one
[18:32] <rgreening> stahlmanz: not on this chan. it would take a lot of time
[18:32] <rgreening> :)
[18:32] <stahlmanz> ok :(
[18:32] <rgreening> sry stahlmanz
[18:32] <stahlmanz>  np
[18:32] <Masterkong> i get working wlan with 8.04 livecd but the installed system i installed wired wont work wirelessly.. any ideas?
[18:33] <violinappren> Masterkong: what network card do you have? have you researched the status of it's drivers in hardy?
[18:34] <jparishy_> Hm, was the "GTK Styles" tab in appearance taken out in 3.5.10?
[18:35] <violinappren> !info gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[18:35] <Masterkong> damn webirc
[18:35] <rgreening> ok, got a question: what's the best way to export mail from kmail and save so when I flatten my system I can import it? if possible...
[18:36] <Masterkong> i've got troubles with wlan
[18:36] <jparishy_> violinappren: At the moment, I am not using kde4 though.
[18:36] <rgreening> using Kmail 4.1.2 btw
[18:36] <Masterkong> anyone.?
[18:36] <Masterkong> anyone.?
[18:37] <violinappren> jparishy_: then same package but without -kde4
[18:37] <Masterkong> wlan not working after upgrade from 8.04 ti 8.10`?
[18:38] <jparishy_> violinappren: That's the first package I tried, but it keeps telling me it needs to install a bunch of kde4 packages, so i canceled it
[18:38] <violinappren> jparishy_: the one without -kde4? it's qt3 no 4s
[18:39] <jparishy_> Yeah, the one without -kde4
[18:40] <Masterkong> i get kernelpanic too
[18:41] <Masterkong> anyoen got ANY idea why it is so?
[18:41] <Masterkong> or any good way to errorsearch?
[18:45] <millun> hi, i've installed postgis (an extension for postgresql) and tried to restart the postgre but i get psql: FATAL:  the database system is shutting down
[18:47] <seba_> !es
[18:51] <logan> hey, i have a memory question if someone could help me out
[18:52] <jwheaton> I might be able to.  fire away.
[18:53] <nuno__> huh
[18:53] <nuno__> i just updated to intrepid
[18:53] <nuno__> is there any way to use kde3 on it?
[18:53] <jwheaton> logan:  you still there?
[18:53] <jwheaton> nuno:  frequent question.  intrepid only has KDE4
[18:53] <jussi01> nuno__: no. no kde3 on intrepid
[18:53] <nuno__> huh
[18:53] <nuno__> i see
[18:54] <nuno__> i just hate kde4
[18:54] <nuno__> where is the desktop? x_x
[18:55] <jwheaton> there should be a widget for you to show the desktop.  the desktop now has a widget/plasmoid it sits in.
[18:56] <logan_> I have 4Gb of RAM on my computer, and I have 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04 desktop installed, but the resource manager shows me as having only 3Gb of memory. The main reason for me having 64-bit is to use all my RAM, so how can I get my computer to recognize the other gig?
[18:56] <jwheaton> logan:  go into your BIOS and enable "memory remap".
[18:57] <nuno__> huh and is there any way to use wlassistant on intrepid?
[18:57] <jwheaton> nuno:  not sure.  This is where I pass to buck to anyone else present and able to answer.
[18:57]  * sivaji i feel kde3 is better that kde4
[18:57] <logan_> Jwheaton: which menu would that be under?
[18:57] <costa58> cerco aiuto
[18:58] <logan_> never mind
[18:58] <logan_> i will go try
[18:59] <nuno__> jwheaton: Do you know the name of any other Network Manager?
[18:59] <costa58> come faccio a entrare in ubuntu.it?
[19:00] <Exilant> is there some extra repository for plasmoids? or do i have to compile them all myself
[19:01] <jussi01> Exilant: many are in the normal repos
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache search plasmoid
[19:01] <sivaji> is it possible to have kde3 in intrepid ?
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> will display all available plasmoids
[19:01] <jussi01> sivaji: no
[19:02] <sivaji> jussi01 ok :D
[19:02] <Exilant> JontheEchidna: did that, but i'm missing many from kde-look.org
[19:02] <Exilant> but dunno if those compile in 4.1 anyway
[19:03] <nuno__> where is the plasmoid for the desktop? X_X