[00:01] <corshmock> I'm getting sound in youtube, but no sound in vlc, or parole media player.  It's a new build of 20.04.  Is there any audio codec or something I need?
[00:04] <sarnold> corshmock: usually, running pavucontrol is enough to spot the problem
[00:07] <corshmock> sarnold: thanks pal.  Everything is pointed to my mg10xu.  Can you think of anything else?
[00:07] <corshmock> in pavcontrol I mean
[00:08] <sarnold> corshmock: if you can't spot something there, then I'm not sure what th e next step is
[00:08] <sarnold> maybe journalctl output? or ~/.session-errors if you've got that?
[00:10] <corshmock> Already way over my head pal.  No problem, I'll sort something.  Thanks very much.
[00:10] <sarnold> corshmock: aha; with journalctl, try running journalctl -f in one terminal and try playing audio through vlc, and see if it generates any log messages
[01:38] <SpaceBass> Hey friends - I'm trying to troubleshoot an LDAP client issue. For some reason, out of the blue, one of my servers can no longer auth against my LDAP server. The verbose output shows a TLS error. But the cert is value and all other clients work fine.
[01:40] <sarnold> SpaceBass: my guess https://usn.ubuntu.com/4377-2/
[01:40] <SpaceBass> interesting... reading now
[01:41] <sarnold> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates/+bug/1881533
[01:41] <SpaceBass> Looks like that applies to older versions
[01:42] <sarnold> oh, that's the -2 variant, sorry
[01:42] <sarnold> SpaceBass: https://usn.ubuntu.com/4377-1/
[01:43] <SpaceBass> Interesting! I did a 'sudo update-ca-certificates' and that didn't work... trying a dist-upgrade now
[01:44] <SpaceBass> Drat, no joy
[01:45] <SpaceBass> > TLS: peer cert untrusted or revoked (0x42)
[01:45] <SpaceBass> If the root CA was revoked, I'd think all my other clients would fail ?
[01:46] <sarnold> this update was issued because the libraries didn't handle an expired root certificate *and* unexpired root certificate, I think
[01:50] <SpaceBass> Just checked... my other working boxes are the exact same release: 18.04.4
[01:50] <SpaceBass> I can't figure out why this one box is the outlier
[01:53] <sarnold> is it synced on ntp?
[01:54] <SpaceBass> sarnold, they use different time servers, but they are synced to the second. I don't think LDAP is time-dependent like Kerberos though
[01:55] <sarnold> SpaceBass: TLS is, though; so long as they are within the same day though, it's probably fine :)
[01:55] <SpaceBass> ah
[01:55] <sarnold> SpaceBass: how is your LDAP server's cert authenticated? is it a local CA cert? public CA cert?
[01:57] <SpaceBass> sarnold, its valid until November 2021, it's a commercial cert
[01:58] <sarnold> SpaceBass: dang. I liked that idea.
[01:58] <SpaceBass> Me too! Was hoping it was a time/date issue... just did an ntpdate on all boxes to be sure
[01:59] <sarnold> (my idea was that perhaps you'd added a local CA incorrectly, and it was recently thrown away by the ca-certificates update a few hours ago. oh well.)
[02:01] <SpaceBass> Tbt I probably should be using a local CA ... but these are commercial certs
[02:03] <tatertots> SpaceBass: can the problem LDAP client ping the server successfully?
[02:03] <SpaceBass> Yes, by hostname and ip
[02:04] <tatertots> SpaceBass: have you tried leaving the realm/domain and rejoining?
[02:05] <SpaceBass> tatertots, it's not AD, its pure LDAP so there's no binding. But I could do an apt purge and start again... its just that this is a pretty long-standing, mature server. I hate to risk braking something else :)
[02:07] <tatertots> SpaceBass: if you had a backup image you could minimize the risk of such a troubleshooting step as apt purge and start again
[02:07] <SpaceBass> Good point - I can do an image really quickly. Thanks!
[02:07] <sarnold> and risk finding out that backups are busted too? :)
[02:08] <SpaceBass> Ha!
[02:08] <SpaceBass> One other thought - how can I test that the ldap auth client is actually connecting to the right host? I'm not sure ldapsearch is the same thing, right?
[02:12] <Cruft> How to fix: The repository 'repo_here' does not have a Release file. ???
[02:16] <tatertots> SpaceBass: I normally trouble shoot with "dig –t SRV _ldap._tcp.MYDOMAIN.COM" but since you don't have a realm/domain that's AD/LDAP compliant that may not work in your environment
[02:18] <tatertots> SpaceBass: nslookup can be used to..but again you don't have a AD/LDAP compliant realm/domain
[02:18] <Bashing-om> Cruft: what is the repo you are attempting to access ? A PPA that has no support (think 20.04). Pasting the command and it's result will be informative.
[02:19] <Cruft> any ubuntu mirror
[02:19] <Cruft> the exact repo doesn't matter as i've tried about five
[02:19] <Cruft> http and https where applicable
[02:19] <SpaceBass> tatertots, yeah... I've confirmed that I'm reaching the right host with IP and domain... its just so odd that LDAP now thinks the art is invalid
[02:19] <Bashing-om> Cruft: Proxie ?
[02:20] <Cruft> not behind a proxy
[02:20] <tatertots> SpaceBass: can you copy from a working system, the cert or tgt/token to the non working system and test?
[02:21] <SpaceBass> tatertots, I did that with /etc/ldap.conf... going to bite the bullet and do a snapshot then purge / reinstall the LDAP client stuff
[02:21] <SpaceBass> Gulp
[02:21] <tatertots> SpaceBass: lol...good man
[02:24] <Bashing-om> Cruft: What can you talk to on the net - ' ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>' then try as ' ping -c3 ca.archive.ubuntu.com ' .
[02:26] <Cruft> ping successful on both
[02:27] <tatertots> Cruft: is it trying to connect via IPv6
[02:27] <tatertots> ?
[02:27] <Cruft> not possible
[02:27] <oerheks> Cruft, "<Cruft> the exact repo doesn't matter "  sure it does, maybe it has no candidates for your version, so what repo, and what ubuntu are you on?
[02:27] <tatertots> good
[02:30] <Cruft> 20.04
[02:31] <sarnold> Cruft: try tshark or tcpdump or similar and try to see what URLs apt is checking, and then check those yourself? perhaps you can get a better error message out of curl or wget or similar
[02:32] <Cruft> curl is not installed by ubuntu by default
[02:43] <SpaceBass> Well drat... no joy on the purge / re-install
[02:43] <sarnold> :/
[02:43] <SpaceBass> Going to replace the cert on the server now
[02:44] <Cruft> i don't think so, is there a way to force ipv4? IPv6 isn't possible on my machine or router
[02:47] <SpaceBass> What's interesting is that getent pasdwd works fine - shows all LDAP users
[02:47] <tatertots> Cruft: if you're purely IPv4...why would you need to "force" IPv4....seems kinda strange don't you agree
[02:47] <tatertots> Cruft: or maybe you're less than %100 certain you're in a pure IPv4 environment...that would be the only logical explanation
[02:47] <Cruft> I mean I've literally never had a problem until a few days ago
[02:48] <Cruft> i didn't install any application since launch of 20.04 day
[02:48] <Cruft> nothing has changed from the user perspective.
[02:49] <tatertots> Cruft: and since you're reluctant to share any pastebin or logs or repo details you'll have to kinda just figure it out or maybe restore from a backup from when things were working...or worse case...reinstall
[02:49] <Cruft> I tried multiple repos already
[02:52] <oerheks> if there is no logical explanation for connection issues, reboot your router?
[02:53] <Cruft> kk
[03:03] <Cruft> Ok, fixed it. Had to manually install the latest ca-cert package while the router was rebooting, clean apt and reinstall dpkg
[03:03] <Cruft> also cleared all other caches
[03:04] <sarnold> just imagine, if you had pastebinned your errors an hour ago...
[03:06] <Cruft> right i mean, god forbid I can keep something as is on an LTS release
[03:07] <sarnold> you could have if the folks running your mirror had kept their certificate chain up to date :)
[03:12] <Cruft> they should just have an optional torrent list for every package on optional update
[03:15] <sarnold> yeah, I've wondered if it iwould be feasible to do an ipfs://ubuntu/ apt method or not.. or something similar
[03:17] <oerheks> old proposal https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-transport-debtorrent
[03:21] <sarnold> heh, that page doesn't give me confidence that they sorted out the "but we update the archive all the time" aspect
[03:35] <Cruft> I guess I more expected a cached package torrent sort of scenario
[03:36] <Cruft> with only the list from ubuntu, debian, or the mirror
[03:38] <Cruft> Does launchpad have encrypted PPAs yet or is openbuildsystem the main way?
[03:41] <sarnold> Cruft: hit the "Technical details about this PPA" link on your ppa and you'll see the signing key
[03:42] <Cruft> How does the signing key cover transport?
[03:43] <frib> I compiled redis from source and want to add it as a service but not sure how to configure the .service file or where to put it
[03:46] <Cruft> How to mark packages as manually installed? I accidentally just cleared my list and changed all to auto
[03:49] <jak2000> i installed lubuntu and take the VM this ip: <IP_ADDRESS>, the ip on windows of: VirtualBox Host-Only Network: is: <IP_ADDRESS> and: irtualBox Host-Only Network #2: is: <IP_ADDRESS>, how to connect via ssh? (note in lubuntu i ran: sudo apt install openssh-server)
[03:58] <sherlock> Is there any NTP client for Ubuntu? Can I set my time and timezone based on my IP?
[03:59] <kinghat> any of you guys had a drive go into read-only mode?
[04:00] <kinghat> it is an ntfs drive if that matters
[04:00] <Bashing-om> kinghat: File system corruption ? what shows fsck ( from a liveUSB) ?
[04:00] <Bashing-om> Linkandzelda: ntfs == Windows. Best looked at from a Windows machine.
[04:01] <kinghat> disks says filesystem is fine and smart data says disk is ok
[04:01] <Bashing-om> kinghat: ^^ Linkandzelda Sorry for that bad highlight.
[04:02] <kinghat> i found this, does this look promising? https://askubuntu.com/a/1174921/868274
[04:03] <Bashing-om> kinghat: ntfsfix might be of value - But that is no real substitite for the native file system checks.
[04:04] <kinghat> ya
[04:14] <kinghat> Bashing-om: everything send fine on windows
[04:15] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Not Windows literate here - I have no other thoughts.
[04:17] <kinghat> ya just reporting findings. says no errors were found. i did have a wicked shutdown so maybe it got put into read-only mode on linux for some reason. just need to get it out of read-only mode i think 🤷♂
[04:18] <tatertots> kinghat: have you tried unmounting and "manually" mounting?
[04:19] <kinghat> sec, in windows. heading back now.
[04:24] <kinghat> hmm i think its working now. all i did on windows was run a disk check on it and defragged it even though it said it didnt need it. funny old world.
[04:48] <OERIAS> because it hurts like a biech
[05:54] <gr8zatara> exit
[05:54] <Greenfrog> enter
[06:04] <iKarus987> Hi is there away i can run the valorant game?
[06:04] <iKarus987> on ubuntu
[06:05] <oerheks> iKarus987, is it a windows game?
[06:05] <tripelb> My mouse froze. 20.04
[06:06] <tripelb> Is there something I can do with the keyboard?
[06:07] <Atomynos_Atom> Hello?
[06:07] <iKarus987> yes oerheks its windows game
[06:07] <iKarus987> :<
[06:07] <oerheks> check out wine hq, playonlinux or lutris
[06:07] <oerheks> !wine
[06:07] <Atomynos_Atom> What yall talking about?
[06:08] <oerheks> hi Atomynos_Atom see topic, ubuntu support
[06:09] <tripelb> You n|ver have to reboot Linux -- My mouse froze what can I do 20.04 I can still use the keyboard what's the code??.
[06:09] <Atomynos_Atom> Does anyone know how to get VMProtect on wine?
[06:11] <tripelb> Atomynos_Atom there is #ubuntu-offtopic  - usually gets busy.
[06:11] <Atomynos_Atom> tripelb: Okay thanks.
[06:12] <frozen-mouse> Now...
[06:12] <frozen-mouse> Oops all those people just went home from work.  --.
[06:13] <frozen-mouse> Am I going to have to reboot?
[06:21] <Greenfrog> reboot is always a choice
[06:22] <Furai> If I have time to upgrade from 19.10 do 20.04 desktop should I do it by reinstalling or upgrading? IMO reinstalling will be always better option but maybe now upgrading is just as good?
[06:22] <Greenfrog> i agree, a fresh install is imho the best
[06:22] <frozen-mouse> What is the Plex server? It runs as root
[06:23] <Furai> Pleks
[06:23] <Greenfrog> be sure to backup any impotrtant files
[06:23] <frozen-mouse> 20.04
[06:23] <Greenfrog> plex is a video /music server
[06:23] <Furai> I'm just going to move home folder and opt where I have my custom things.
[06:23] <Furai> They were anyway on separate partitions.
[06:23] <frozen-mouse> Furai it is Plex (sic)
[06:24] <Furai> frozen-mouse, I have misspelled, I thought that you maybe meant Plesk.
[06:24] <Furai> Something completely different.
[06:24] <iKarus987> so if i install a game on windows then i go back to ubuntu, can i run that game using the wine command?
[06:24] <Furai> no
[06:25] <Dr_Coke> something is stuffed on my ubuntu 20.04 after trying to set fractional scaling on my nvidia 980 video card with gnome settings to 150% it made the screen go blank and probably computer freeze so i rebooted it i fixed the initrms error changing compile to gzip and updating but I still can't boot it won't get out of emergency mode
[06:25] <Dr_Coke> help
[06:25] <Dr_Coke> :D
[06:25] <frozen-mouse> Why is Plex running on my computer 20.04 Plex Script Hos.   --i. Looking at the top command working.
[06:25] <iKarus987> is there a way i can change wine ? i want wine to use my empty hard drive not the systems
[06:25] <iKarus987> any way i can do that?
[06:26] <Greenfrog> ugh, nsasty situation i have nvidia it works fine :)
[06:26] <Furai> iKarus987, I think you can do that with wine prefix. Anyway, it's not wine support, you could try asking in #winehq. They know more for sure.
[06:26] <Dr_Coke> Greenfrog, nasty situation for me you mean?
[06:26] <Furai> Also if you have the game on Steam - Steam Proton is the best thing out there right now.
[06:26] <badbodh> iKarus987, you could use Playonlinux and symlink its directory to ~/.Playonlinux from another drive. it manages its own wine packages, separate from the system.
[06:26] <Greenfrog> Dr_Coke:fractional scaling isnt working as youd expect
[06:27] <Greenfrog> i've had dififult results
[06:27] <iKarus987> this is not steam game though
[06:27] <iKarus987> :(
[06:27] <badbodh> but you have to run all the application from within PoL, can't just open a random exe with wine
[06:31]  * Greenfrog guess i started a whirlwind :)
[06:31] <Greenfrog> sok, i like aswers
[06:32] <Greenfrog> welcome :)
[06:32] <Greenfrog> welcome, u2
[06:33] <Dr_Coke> lol
[06:33] <Greenfrog> weeee, every day is intresting :)
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> keep it ontopic please
[06:33] <Greenfrog> i do
[06:34] <Greenfrog> at least i think i do
[06:35] <Greenfrog> sorry if it did not meet the room specs
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> Greenfrog: please dont chitchat here, just sit silent until someone knows your ubuntu answer or you help someone else
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> Greenfrog: you can use #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat
[06:36] <Greenfrog> ok thanks
[06:36] <Greenfrog> sorry to intrude here
[06:36] <ocean> frozen-mouse: you could try to 'reset' the usb(hid) interface by unloading and loading the usbhid module. You'd need a terminal to do that of course, is your keyboard still responsive?
[07:30] <OERIAS> I have been using Pop_OS
[07:30] <OERIAS> pretty stable on this machine
[07:32] <guiverc> OERIAS, glad it works for you, this isn't a chat channel, and Pop isn't Ubuntu , nor official flavor of Ubuntu - thus off-topic here.
[07:39] <OERIAS> I thought it was in that channel
[07:54] <mihael> I'm running Ubuntu Server 18.04 and I'm having problems establishing connection on port 443. Is there active firewall that blocks this one? I can establish the conneciton on another server running CentOS though
[07:55] <oerheks> sudo ufw allow ssh  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[07:56] <mihael> oerheks: I'm trying to establish connection from the Ubuntu Server
[08:36] <makara> hi. Is my drive failing? Where are all these details explain? https://drive.google.com/file/d/151fSlNw1Ey6pFgMmF4QYKsR7f4sdiw_2/view?usp=sharing
[08:37] <EriC^> makara: yes, it has many bad sectors
[08:39] <EriC^> which de is that makara ? it looks nice
[08:39] <ThinkT510> makara: yes, it is highly advised to backup anything you need off that drive before it is unrecoverable
[08:40] <EriC^> makara: here it explains a little on the important values from that list http://pchelp.youtubextras.com/topics/harddisk-health
[08:46] <makara> EriC^: what is "de" ?
[08:46] <EriC^> desktop environment
[08:47] <makara> EriC^: its ubuntu 20.04, gnome3
[08:47] <EriC^> oh ok
[08:47] <EriC^> ty
[08:47] <marz> I'm using Ubuntu server 18, how do I restart the network service?
[08:53] <makara> why does it say "assessment: ok" for all the tests, but the whole test fails?
[08:54] <makara> this is a SDD with most of the disk taken up by files that never change, so writing to disk over the past couple years has meant writing over the same sectors repeatedly
[08:57] <makara> that link explained some new things, but it still its a "man page" for the information
[08:57] <makara> *isn't*
[09:01] <EriC^> makara: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#Known_ATA_S.M.A.R.T._attributes
[09:17] <OERIAS> Does anyone know of good twitter clients?
[09:29] <Fudge> how do you mount a partition using backup superblock?
[09:30] <EriC^> Fudge: mount -o sb=<superblock> /dev/sdxY /mnt
[09:31] <oerheks> answer howto find the superblock, and to use it https://askubuntu.com/questions/235169/how-do-i-retrieve-my-files-if-mounting-gives-me-a-bad-superblock-error
[09:37] <makara> so i'm going to get another SSD. I'd like it to be NVMe. How can I test that my notebook has the sockets to hold it?
[09:38] <oerheks> check the specs on the vendors website
[09:39] <Fudge> thanks
[09:40] <Fudge> just couldnt remember
[09:49] <makara> oerheks: I really don't know what i'm looking for here. It says SATA3 M.2 SSD, but that's just what it ships with
[09:50] <makara> https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-ZenBook-UX530UX/Tech-Specs/
[09:52] <tatertots> you have a M.2 interface and drive from factory, you could "physically" open laptop and visual inspect to get more detailed view
[09:55] <oerheks> makara, i find no info about a 2nd m2 slot, and the specs about that, m2 ssd or m2 nvme
[09:58] <AppAraat[m]> hi, I installed i3wm on an Ubuntu Server but when I do startx (which starts i3) I get this kind of situation: https://i.imgur.com/DTc3j5Y.png - My i3 font is Terminus (which is present in ~/.local/share/fonts (and I've also tried installing it via apt), but still my fonts look like this. Is there a package I happened to miss?
[09:58] <AppAraat[m]> (Ubuntu Server 20.04 btw)
[10:20] <deadrom> hi
[10:20] <deadrom> is there any offline voice recognition for linux? so not-another-google-API?
[10:38] <legreffier> AppAraat[m]: don't use startx, it's really bad security-wise, install a diplay manager (such gdm or lightdm). You probably didn't specify the font correctly (as it shows correctly in your terms). Can you show us the i3 config ?
[10:41] <AppAraat[m]> legreffier: oh, I didn't know about security risks of startx. I'll check out some display managers. Here's my i3 config: http://ix.io/2o60
[10:42] <deadrom> legreffier, how is startx a security issue?
[10:43] <veegee> why all this snap garbage?
[10:44] <AppAraat[m]> deadrom: in terms of voice recognition there's Simon (https://simon.kde.org/) and the other was I think Mycroft. You can see more here also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition_software_for_Linux
[10:44] <veegee> why couldn't they just use nix or something
[10:44] <deadrom> AppAraat[m] Mycroft relays input to google
[10:44] <veegee> I should just go back to plain debian
[10:44] <AppAraat[m]> deadrom: isn't that optional though?
[10:45] <deadrom> AppAraat[m] not as far as I understood
[10:45] <veegee> The only thing good about ubuntu is the release model and LTS releases
[10:45] <AppAraat[m]> hmm, interesting.
[10:45] <AppAraat[m]> veegee: then do just that, no one is stopping you
[10:45] <veegee> Should probably create a sanitizer script to strip ubuntu of all this snap trash and cloud nonsense
[10:47] <legreffier> deadrom: locked screen ? switch to the framebuffer running startx, Ctrl-C , you're in a shell.
[10:48] <AppAraat[m]> oh I haven't even thought about that
[10:48] <AppAraat[m]> what's the lightest display manager out there? lightdm?
[10:49] <deadrom> legreffier, when X is running and a session is on there will be a terminal, hence a shell. either way you'd need physical access. but: startx; exit
[10:51] <AppAraat[m]> I mean, I don't want it to be instant loss in case of physical access. I still want to practice DiD there as much as practically possible.
[10:51] <legreffier> deadrom: no problem. Ctrl+Z then :)
[10:52] <deadrom> legreffier, exit would have you logged off
[10:52] <legreffier> it's 2020, I'm assuming more than half graphical station are laptop. physical access is no big deal.
[10:53] <legreffier> deadrom: Ctrl+Z won't exit X, then exit is not run, it'll  put X it to background, and let you use the shell.
[10:54] <legreffier> trust me on that, it's not like i didn't study the question.
[10:54] <deadrom> hmm.
[10:55] <AppAraat[m]> it's fine if I'm logged off, I keep a tmux session running anyway
[10:56] <AppAraat[m]> it looks like "startx; exit" does have a (small) window of time in which an attacker can just Ctrl+c though
[10:57] <AppAraat[m]> but like... I usually i3-lock my laptop when I'm AFK, so the attacker would have to know my pass. Which means that if he/she can get past the lockscreen, already a shell can be present, without shutting off i3wm and getting to the tty.
[10:58] <deadrom> legreffier, ok, technically alright, but if someone has physical access to a laptop, well they can just take it away and mess with passwd.. unless the machine is encrypted
[10:58] <legreffier> AppAraat[m]: Ctrl-Alt-F1 switch you to the framebuffer , those key are not "blocked" by your screenlocker.
[10:59] <AppAraat[m]> yes, but when they do they're presented with a login prompt.
[11:00] <legreffier> deadrom: as long as it's on (which should be the case as users like to have them in sleep when unused), it's unencrypted.
[11:00] <legreffier> AppAraat[m]: yes if you use one. if you started your session with startx... this shell is already logged on.
[11:02] <legreffier> you just need to SIGTERM X (with ctrl-c), or put it to background.
[11:02] <AppAraat[m]> the tty which started startx is running i3, so in order to get to the shell of that tty (in case you only did startx without the exit afterwards) you'd have to kill the i3 session, no? Otherwise all ttys require login prompts.
[11:02] <sylario> On a ubuntu server, I have a volume that I can mount, but where the fstab fails with  : Failed to mount /srv/production.
[11:03] <sylario> This is it's Fstab line : 1ef96de5-08a8-4a17-82af-edad65c47b8b /srv/production ext3 defaults 0 0
[11:03] <legreffier> AppAraat[m]: and you can do that using Ctrl-C in the terminal running the i3 session.
[11:04] <deadrom> sylario: sure it's ext3? that's rather outdated
[11:04] <sylario> it's ext3
[11:04] <sylario> the disk is from 2012 I think
[11:04] <deadrom> sylario: additional info on why it failed in the logs? /var/log/syslog?
[11:05] <sylario> At least that's what blkid says
[11:05] <legreffier> sylario: you need to put 'UUID=' (no space around equal sign), before the id.
[11:05] <larkfisherman> Can anyone help me figure out on what is necessary to install Ubuntu Server (preferably 18.04 LTS) on a server over PXE? I've been searching for tutorials, but some of them are outdated and others are quite confusing to me...
[11:06] <legreffier> try to mount it as ext4, it should be compatible.
[11:06] <larkfisherman> I have another machine that I can use as a PXE server
[11:06] <sylario> legreffier: it seems to work for the main disk without UUID=
[11:06] <sylario> dda75c6b-c562-432f-947d-920d521aec27    /                 ext3    rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro  0    1
[11:06] <AppAraat[m]> legreffier: how would you get to that terminal with i3 still running though? In my case if do startx on tty2, and then if I want to switch to tty2, I get presented with the i3 session running. I'd have to kill it first in order to get to the tty2. If I have a lockscreen on, I can't just issue "Ctrl+c". Lockscreen doesn't get killed by that.
[11:06] <sylario> that works
[11:07] <sylario> wait a second
[11:07] <sylario> blkid is saying the main disk is ext4 but it's ext3 in fstab
[11:08] <deadrom> sylario, shouldn't matter much, the ext4 module handles 3 and 2 as well. but legreffier is right, UUID= needs to be in front
[11:08] <deadrom> so just put ext4 in fstab
[11:09] <legreffier> AppAraat[m]: your i3 session is on another virtual console when you run it (usually 7 or 8th). You just need to go back to the tty2 (Ctrl-Alt-F2).
[11:10] <AppAraat[m]> that's not in my case. If I run startx on tty2, then my i3 will appear every time I switch to tty2 (Ctrl+Alt+F2)
[11:11] <legreffier> that's a new behavior I wasn't aware of this
[11:12] <legreffier> I don't have a ubuntu desktop at hand right now
[11:12] <catphish> does anyone know how i might force a filesystem to mount only after the network is up (as seems to be the default for nfs mounts)?
[11:13] <catphish> ah think i've got it: "You can declare this filesystems as a network device by adding _netdev to the options sections of your fstab"
[11:14] <tatertots> catphish: another alternative is to not mount network storage via fstab at all and use a script
[11:14] <AppAraat[m]> legreffier: If you want to get a close recreation, this is the script I used to install all packages on my Ubuntu Server: http://ix.io/2o69 - afterwards I just had to "apt install xorg", then did a reboot, logged into a tty and ran startx.
[11:14] <AppAraat[m]> (on Ubuntu Server 20.04)
[11:15] <sylario> mount: /srv/production: special device 1ef96de5-08a8-4a17-82af-edad65c47b8b does not exist.
[11:15] <catphish> tatertots: makes sense, the good news is that i just tried _netdev and it works :) nester too
[11:15] <AppAraat[m]> catphish: I think systemd offers that functionality.
[11:15] <sylario> LABEL="production" UUID="1ef96de5-08a8-4a17-82af-edad65c47b8b" TYPE="ext3"
[11:15] <catphish> *neater
[11:15] <larkfisherman> Anyone know anything about PXE network booting?
[11:15] <sylario> I cannot add the UUID, I am in emergency SSH and VI is acting super strange
[11:17] <tatertots> larkfisherman: i know if the client AND server aren't configured properly...it's not going to work
[11:17] <catphish> actually, _netdev just stopped it mounting completely :)
[11:17] <tatertots> larkfisherman: clients have to support pxe in BIOS
[11:21] <sylario> deadrom: you were right, it needed a UUID=
[11:27] <linuxr> Hello everyone. I would like to encrypt a usb stick with linux, how would I do that? thanks
[11:27] <Adie> Hi, I'm using Sublime Text along with an SFTP plugin to do remote server mapping - but when the program tries to upload the files to my Ubuntu server via SFTP, I get an error "Server does not support preserving modification times" - was wondering if anyone had any idea where that might be configured with so little information
[11:33] <larkfisherman> Okay, but is there any reliable resource on *how* to set up a PXE server? I have PXE capability on the client machine...
[11:35] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:36] <oerheks> larkfisherman, tons of guides out there, https://linuxhint.com/pxe_boot_ubuntu_server/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/focal/
[11:37] <larkfisherman> I know there are tons, most of them are outdated or incomplete, that's why I'm asking here if anyone had any experience with it. I'm able to google just fine, but there are lots of guides with inconsistent information, and it confuses me a lot.
[11:38] <oerheks> this is the one for 18.04, 20.04 would be not different i guess
[11:39] <larkfisherman> Okay, I see that this guide is official. I'll follow through and ask if I have any issues. Thank you for your help!
[11:39] <oerheks> have fun!
[11:48] <raddy> Hello
[11:49] <raddy> What are the common reasons for http mirrors to not work?
[11:49] <raddy> Only https mirrors are working
[11:49] <oerheks> interesting, standard http would work, so you installed apt-transport-https?
[11:49] <larkfisherman> raddy firewalls maybe?
[11:50] <raddy> Yeahh
[11:50] <oerheks> and what ubuntu version?
[11:54] <raddy> oerheks: 20
[11:55] <echoSMILE> Hi, my ubuntu (19.20) some time ago asked me to upgrade for the version 20, but I click on "remind me later", but since then I never got the same question to do the upgrade. How can I do it ?
[11:56] <echoSMILE> And by the way, I installed the ubuntu from this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[11:57] <larkfisherman> echoSMILE try `do-release-upgrade`
[11:57] <larkfisherman> without the backticks `
[11:57] <echoSMILE> larkfisherman: at cli ?
[11:58] <larkfisherman> yeah
[11:59] <echoSMILE> larkfisherman: ok. do you know if that is totally compatible with that FDE guide ?
[12:00] <echoSMILE> compatible AKA will not break anything
[12:05] <BluesKaj> echoSMILE, full disk endcryption isn't used much by most people. I think you should do more research on upgrading your release with it.
[12:06] <larkfisherman> from what I see, I cannot be completely sure, but it seems that all this guide does is encrypt data at the disk-level. `do-release-upgrade` works at the filesystem level so everything should be fine.
[12:07] <larkfisherman> I am not completely sure so proceed at your own risk :)  or just backup your data and just try it. tinkering is fun.
[12:07] <echoSMILE> larkfisherman: right.
[12:07] <echoSMILE> Tks all
[12:28] <Oddly> Anyone with knowledge on how to install ubuntu 20.04 with a Kickstart file?
[12:30] <echoSMILE> larkfisherman: do-release-upgrade: "Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release"
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Oddly, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility
[12:51] <echoSMILE> larkfisherman: I don't have the LTS version I think should I think it need to be `update-manager` ?
[12:56] <trurl> any ideas on how to install the recent rspamd on 20.04?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> trurl, sudo apt install rspamd
[12:57] <oerheks> !info rspamd
[12:57] <snowhawk> hey
[12:58] <oerheks> after install, a lot of manual tweaking https://linuxize.com/post/install-and-integrate-rspamd/
[12:58] <leftyfb> trurl: rspamd is available as part of the universe repository. After enabling the universe repository, you can install rspamd like any other package
[12:59] <trurl> BluesKaj: ok thanks but i was thinking 2.5 that's why i was asking
[12:59] <leftyfb> !latest | trurl
[13:00] <oerheks> only in groovy, but focal gets all security backports https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rspamd
[13:02] <knstn> Can you have systemd-networkd running without systemd-resolvd as a resolver?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> trurl, what's your real issue?
[13:04] <trurl> BluesKaj: there's no package provided by rspamd for focal (yet?) and i was wondering if anybody has solved this. im running rspamd 2.5-156 on bionic and don't want to "downgrade" to 1.9
[13:05] <leftyfb> trurl: rspamd is available as part of the universe repository. After enabling the universe repository, you can install rspamd like any other package
[13:07] <oerheks> trurl, i gave you a howto, with the direct download repo setup, must be simular as you used on bionic, no?
[13:09] <trurl> oerheks: no, there are no packages for focal at this repo
[13:11] <oerheks> interesting ..
[13:13] <BluesKaj> think your repos need some editing trurl
[13:14] <trurl> https://rspamd.com/apt-stable/dists/
[13:14] <leftyfb> trurl: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/FYxr8RPJPW/
[13:15] <leftyfb> trurl: as I've told you twice, you need to enable the universe repository
[13:15] <oerheks> he thinks 1.9 is too old
[13:16] <trurl> leftyfb: thank you, but i'm trying to install 2.5 and i was asking if anybody has had this problem before
[13:16] <leftyfb> trurl: that isn't supported at the moment, sorry
[13:16] <oerheks> contact that repo maintainer, nothing we can do
[13:17] <BluesKaj> he can think what he wants, but the version he wants is unavailable for his OS for a reason
[13:17] <oerheks> fairly they have the time until 20.04.1 releasepoint is out
[13:19] <oerheks> maybe build it from git an option?
[13:21] <hggdh> perhaps. rspamd 2.5 is in Groovy only. Focal has the 1.9.4
[13:21] <trurl> i was thinking about it but thats seems beyond the amount of hassle _i_ am willing to go through: https://rspamd.com/downloads.html
[13:22] <trurl> that's why i was asking i anybody had the same problem, nothing more
[13:22] <trurl> *if
[13:23] <trurl> seems i have to wait :)
[13:29] <snowhawk> sup
[13:30] <oerheks> dns upside down
[13:30] <BluesKaj> snowhawk, no txtspeak here please
[13:30] <snowhawk> meaning?
[13:30] <oerheks> snowhawk, duo you have an ubuntu support issue?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> sup is not a word in english
[13:31] <snowhawk> Oh, you mean this isnt a general chat?
[13:31] <snowhawk> im in ubuntu-offtopic
[13:31] <BluesKaj> nope
[14:06] <SrPx> What is the best ubuntu 13" notebook money can but nowadays? Any suggestion?
[14:07] <leftyfb> !ot | SrPx
[14:07] <oerheks> best hardware polls are beyond the scope of this channel
[14:07] <SrPx> I see, my bad
[14:08] <leftyfb> SrPx: that said, Canonical has a good relationship with Dell and their Sputnik XPS 13 developer line
[14:09] <SrPx> okay (: it does seem like everyone recommends the XPS 13. I wish I could have one with a better trackpad, SSD and dgpu though
[14:09] <SrPx> leftyfb: can I ask questions about migrating from OSX in general?
[14:11] <SrPx> are there Ubuntu alternatives to: 1. time machine (allows me to backup my whole HD), 2. iCloud (for remote storage), 3. find my iphone (to find my phone/back in case I lose it)?
[14:12] <SrPx> I'd also like to know what is the state of gaming in Ubuntu in 2020, is it still a pain or can I easily run windows games on it?
[14:14] <oerheks> for windows games, see !wine, playonlinux and lutris, steam
[14:14] <oerheks> it all depends on what hardware and drivers
[14:15] <leftyfb> SrPx: please ask non-support questions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:16] <SrPx> oh, I thought you meant hardware questions are off topic. my bad again, will do
[14:50] <NoImNotNineVolt> hi, i'm running "ubuntu for windows" 18.04. i'd like to get onto 20.04. should i do the usual do-release-upgrade, or is "ubuntu for windows" not fun to upgrade in place?
[15:02] <olegb> NoImNotNineVolt: do-release-upgrade should work "just fine" (tm)
[15:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> olegb: have you personally tried do-release-upgrade on a wsl ubuntu?
[15:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> web search isn't turning up too much.
[15:05] <olegb> NoImNotNineVolt: yes
[15:09] <wedr> NoImNotNineVolt, olegb, I thought you can only upgrade 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS is when the update is allowed in late July of this year?
[15:10] <wedr> Which is when 20.04.1 LTS is released, then 18.04.X LTS can be upgraded straight to 20.04.1
[15:14] <NoImNotNineVolt> orly?
[15:15] <NoImNotNineVolt> okay, so another couple months. no worries.
[15:32] <mr_hai> hey, I have a dual Nvidia GPU setup and I am using the propietary driver and I am getting "Xrandr Extension Missing"
[15:32] <mr_hai> ubuntu 18.04
[15:32] <mr_hai> I have it installed though
[16:14] <Kolandra> hello
[16:15] <Kolandra> what future for linux app development from this 2020 year ?
[16:15] <leftyfb> !ot | Kolandra
[16:17] <Kolandra> oh so if have problem with ubuntu , i can get help here
[16:18] <Kolandra> *if i have a problem
[17:14] <NickShades> Hello. I am having trouble installing my first LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and php). I've gotten the stack installed, and I am trying to get phpmyadmin running, but the documentation which I have does not seem to align properly
[17:14] <NickShades> I'm having trouble identifying where I have left off, but there might be several steps which I could point out that I am trying to get to if anyone could assist me on this task?
[17:15] <NickShades> I am mostly encountering errors when trying to install phpmyadmin
[17:16] <NickShades> sudo apt-get install -y phpmyadmin results in several different outcomes. Sometimes I can get into the purple installation, and others, I cannot
[17:16] <NickShades> but typically, I encounter the following error: Errors were encountered while processing:
[17:16] <NickShades>  /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-C1oxwi/35-phpmyadmin_4%3a4.9.5+dfsg1-2_all.deb
[17:16] <NickShades> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:21] <john_rambo>  Hi, Under VLC I have enabled the local time display by adding "%H:%M:%S" to Marquee display .....but I want the (AM/PM) 12 hrs clock ...How do I do that ?
[17:26] <ioria> NickShades, you got something like this ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gmScpdT9Vs/
[17:34] <rfm> john_rambo, don't use VLC but those look like date command format specs, use "man date" to list them all. e.g. %I is 12-hour clock hour
[17:36] <john_rambo> rfm, I just changed it to %I:%M:%S & now I am getting 12hrs clock....Thanks a lot.
[17:39] <akik> ubuntu 20.04 runs a bit sluggish on lenovo x220 with a hard disk. is there something other than buying a ssd to make it work faster?
[17:39] <NickShades> Is that true, akik, with only this installation, or is this the only installation which you have tried?
[17:39] <akik> NickShades: i only have ubuntu 20.04 on this x220 laptop
[17:40] <akik> i don't use ubuntu so much any more
[17:40] <NickShades> so my question is, have you tried other installations of linux on this laptop, or is ubuntu 20.04 the only version which you have installed ever?
[17:40] <akik> NickShades: not on this laptop
[17:41] <NickShades> this is the only installation of linux which you have installed on this laptop
[17:41] <akik> NickShades: yes
[17:41] <akik> NickShades: it ran windows 10 before
[17:42] <quarantino> I was trying to understand something about full disk encryption in fossa. I had my root partition encrypted during installation, but when I go into "disks" in the install, it doesn't show up as encrypted. Why is that?
[17:42] <NickShades> did you install ubuntu as a fresh installation when windows 10 was also a fresh installation, or had there been additional programs installed onto your windows 10 partition that you had installed before you installed ubuntu 20.04?
[17:43] <akik> NickShades: i don't understand your question but i removed all the previous partitions and created new partitions for ubuntu
[17:43] <NickShades> Let me put it this way. when you got your lenovo laptop, was it brand new?
[17:44] <akik> NickShades: used one
[17:44] <NickShades> did you put a fresh installation of windows 10 on it upon receiving it, or did you use it as it was given to you?
[17:44] <akik> NickShades: no it was installed on it when i got it
[17:45] <NickShades> how long between receiving the laptop, or how many uses of the laptop did you have before installing Ubuntu ?
[17:46] <akik> NickShades: i fail to see where you're going with this but i removed windows 10 and put ubuntu 20.04 almost immediately
[17:46] <NickShades> THe reason which I asked was the verbiage which you had used earlier in response to my earlier questions, which indicated that Windows 10 was STILL on the ystem.
[17:46] <NickShades> *system
[17:47] <NickShades> but I see that is not the case.
[17:47] <akik> 20:39 < akik> NickShades: i only have ubuntu 20.04 on this x220 laptop
[17:47] <NickShades> if ubuntu is the only operating system on the laptop, then there is no lack off hard drive efficiency.
[17:47] <NickShades> unfortunately, HDDs are limited by their own efficiency by their own mechanical limitations.
[17:48] <NickShades> you can sysbench your i/o and possibly track it against other similar users, but without knowing who else has the same laptop running ubuntu, it will be difficult to benchmark against.
[17:49] <akik> NickShades: is there some list of services i can disable ?
[17:50] <NickShades> you can take a look at your installed packages from command line.
[17:50] <NickShades> sudo dpkg --get-selections
[17:50] <NickShades> but I won't know what services you need.
[17:51] <akik> i usually disable file indexers because i don't need them
[17:51] <NickShades> akik: Sorry, thats a bit above my pay grade.
[17:52] <NickShades> akik: I'm mostly here for troubleshooting at the moment, and I'm hitting walls myself.
[17:57] <egm1991> What kernel module do I need to install to use a double ended USB-A cable between two Ubuntu machines? I just want to do rapid file transfer. I know this isn't recommended.
[18:00] <bindi> egm1991: that will fry components
[18:00] <egm1991> ~bindi@unaffiliated/bindi yes that's why I'm afraid to do it.
[18:01] <sarnold> egm1991: grab an ethernet cable instead
[18:01] <john_rambo> Under VLC is there a way to display the **time elapsed/time remaining** of a video file in fullscreen mode ?
[18:02] <egm1991> sarnold Okay.
[18:04] <egm1991> I still can't figure out how to @ someone in chat.
[18:04] <bindi> start typing their name and press tab to complete it, egm1991
[18:04] <sarnold> just type the first few chars of their nickname and hit 'tab', it'll usually complete it for you
[18:04] <egm1991> bindi: test
[18:04] <egm1991> thx
[18:05] <egm1991> What's the max bitrate of an ethernet cable? Like, say you could spend as much as you wanted on one.
[18:05] <virmaha> Hello.  What would you recommend?
[18:05] <egm1991> virmaha: I usually use VLC or OpenShot.
[18:06] <virmaha> egm1991 : any command line options?
[18:06] <virmaha> utility*
[18:06] <egm1991> virmaha: VLC probably has a shell, but I've never used it.
[18:06] <sarnold> virmaha: I'd probably look at ffmpeg for that, but I'm not up on video things
[18:06] <egm1991> sarnold: takes a while tho
[18:06] <virmaha> egm1991 , sarnold got it, thanks
[18:09] <sarnold> egm1991: the fastest you can usually do over nice twisted-pair cable is 10gbps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_twisted_pair -- but you can get up to 400gbps on fibre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabit_Ethernet
[18:14] <rfm> egm1991, your limit is almost certainly the port, not the cable.  1Gbps is the fastest one sees in consumer gear.   Older gear might just have 100Mbps.  If you're moving big files you'll hit the disk transfer speed before you exhaust a 1G port.
[18:15] <egm1991> rfm: That's good enough I guess.
[18:20] <Jordan_U> egm1991: Also, any old cat5e or better will give you gigabit speeds, as long as it's not seriously damaged.
[18:32] <kaiser> hello
[18:33] <kaiser> im having a lot of issues enabling anonymous access for my ftp server
[18:33] <kaiser> https://hastebin.com/akuqimeyec.ini
[18:33] <kaiser> i personally cant really see anything wrong with this, every guide i search says this is the way to do it
[18:33] <kaiser> but when i try to open my ftp in a browser, it nags for my user and password
[18:34] <kaiser> i got it working the other day, i have no idea what i have done differently
[18:36] <sarnold> what happens if you connect with an ftp client like ftp or lftp or ncftp?
[18:36] <kaiser> sarnold: i get "Authentication failed.
[18:36] <kaiser> Connection failed.
[18:36] <kaiser> Permission denied.
[18:37] <kaiser> "
[18:37] <kaiser> oops sorry for the multi line
[18:37] <kaiser> when i pasted it just sent without me pressing enter..
[18:38] <kaiser> worth noting if i user and valid user and pass i can login fine
[18:38] <leftyfb> kaiser: why do you need to allow anonymous ftp access?
[18:38] <sarnold> kaiser: yes, irc is line-oriented, it'll send each line immediately; it's better to use a pastebin service like https://paste.ubuntu.com/ when you're trying to paste more than two lines into irc
[18:40] <kaiser> sarnold: yes, i know, my bad either way
[18:40] <kaiser> leftyfb: because i need some files to be public...?
[18:40] <leftyfb> kaiser: host them behind http?
[18:40] <sarnold> it's usually easier and more reliable to stand up a web server
[18:40] <sarnold> but ftp persists somehow
[18:40] <kaiser> im already using a web server for something else
[18:41] <leftyfb> kaiser: perfect, then you don't have anything else to do. Just stick the files there
[18:41] <kaiser> then i have to manually touch the ancient CMS im using? no thanks i would rather just learn what im doing wrong with this ftp config
[18:42] <leftyfb> kaiser: you can just setup a vhost which has nothing to do with a CMS
[18:42] <kaiser> id rather avoid hard coding anything into that page
[18:42] <kaiser> setup a vhost?
[18:42] <leftyfb> kaiser: ftp is wildly insecure
[18:43] <leftyfb> "ancient CMS im using" sounds like you might not be all that interested in security. Nevermind
[18:43] <kaiser> its really just a hobbyist machine, the CMS is not inherently insecure, and is a active project
[18:43] <kaiser> anyway, is there anything wrong with my ftp config?
[18:45] <kaiser> i would greatly appreciate any help, i been banging my head against this for a couple days now
[18:46] <sarnold> the trouble is I can't recall if the browsers actually prompted for username/password on anon ftp sites or if they expected the user to type in anonymous and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>by hand
[18:46] <sarnold> kaiser: did you allow both ports 20 and 21 in and out of all your firewalls? is this on the other side of a NAT router?
[18:47] <kaiser> not that i know of, this is just a VPS
[18:47] <kaiser> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:21              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      13190/vsftpd
[18:47] <kaiser> yeah port 21 is open
[18:47] <kaiser> no sign of port 20.
[18:48] <sarnold> 20 will come when a client connects
[18:48] <sarnold> how about iptables -L ? (I think that's right...)
[18:49] <kaiser> https://hastebin.com/ebosebicih.bash
[18:49] <sarnold> does your cloud provider have anything like security groups or firewalling themselves that you need to manage, to allow connections to and from these ports? since ftp is usually pretty toxic I wouldn't be surprised if it's blocked by default
[18:49] <sarnold> heh nice and short and sweet
[18:52] <kaiser> sarnold: its actually a default feature on all webservers
[18:52] <kaiser> so, i doubt it
[18:53] <sarnold> kaiser: no, it's a terrible protocol all around :) there's a reason why everyone's replaced it with sftp or http basically everywhere except a few holdouts..
[18:54] <kaiser> no what?
[18:55] <kaiser> every webserver they rent out comes with ftp by default.
[18:57] <kaiser>
[18:57] <kaiser>
[18:58] <kaiser> well have a good night
[19:03] <Greenfrog> apparently something got broken in guiscrcpy i've been directed to make an executable appimage from github. i read some online instructions but they don't say enough about how to put it together, can anyone hlep?
[19:08] <ioria> Greenfrog, how did you installed it ?
[19:09] <Greenfrog> first tried to install from terminal when that didnt work i installed from snap, the developer said that probably broke it cause their were 2 versions of  the server and they conflict
[19:09] <Greenfrog> i have removed all and purged
[19:10] <Greenfrog> and it still doesnt work from snaps
[19:13] <ioria> Greenfrog, with 'install from terminal'  what you mean exactly ?
[19:15] <Furai> Hey, I have weird issue after installing 20.04, fresh install, where icons in top panel for various tray icons have a lot of padding between them.
[19:15] <Furai> I can't find a way to tweak that. Can anyone help me or point me into the right search terms for my internet searches?
[19:17] <Furai> Please highlight/tag me with any tips you might have.
[19:17] <ioria> Furai, you can change the padding in ubuntu.css in #panel section ... but it would be a bit wierd
[19:18] <sarnold> Furai: quite often things can be tweaked with the gnome-tweaks or gnome-tweak-tool package
[19:22] <Furai> Hmm, I remember in older releases that I had some option in tweaks for that, maybe an extension. No idea. Anyway, I have checked tweaks before writing here.
[19:23] <Furai> Editing ubuntu.css seems a bit extreme.
[19:23] <Furai> Anyway, thanks for tips, I'll keep looking for a solution that works for me! :)
[19:24] <undercovertux> what you want to edit?
[19:24] <undercovertux> well just make a backup of the file, edit it and see what happens (as long as its no productive machine)
[19:24] <ioria> he says 'icons in top panel for various tray icons have a lot of padding between them'
[19:25] <undercovertux> you can't do much wrong since there shoud always be a fallback to the gnome one
[19:25] <ioria> nope
[19:25] <undercovertux> no?
[19:25] <ioria> nope, you're logged out
[19:26] <undercovertux> wups okey that needs to be fixed in terminal... my fault.
[19:26] <ioria> depends on your error, ofc
[19:26] <undercovertux> anyways I had the exact same problem but I run 18.04, but there is a nice extension for it
[19:27] <undercovertux> same thing goes for the downward arrows, that some applications have and some not. also and extension for it.
[19:27] <undercovertux> mom
[19:27] <undercovertux> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/355/status-area-horizontal-spacing/
[19:27] <undercovertux> there you go
[19:28] <undercovertux> and for the arrows:
[19:28] <undercovertux> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/800/remove-dropdown-arrows/
[19:28] <undercovertux> hope that shizzle still works in 20.04 and its gnome version
[19:28] <Greenfrog> my connection dropped
[19:29] <undercovertux> wb
[19:29] <Greenfrog> thanks
[19:30] <Greenfrog> i had guiscrcpy working from snaps and it just stopped
[19:30] <Greenfrog> in 20.04
[19:31] <undercovertux> after you upgrade?
[19:31] <Greenfrog> yes
[19:32] <undercovertux> hum dunno whats going on with snap but at least personal repos get resetted / commented out after an upgrade for stability reasons
[19:32] <undercovertux> thus you have to check and add sources again probably
[19:33] <Greenfrog> all the developer said was run appimage. and all i know is there needed to be made an executable. thats what i dont know how to do
[19:35] <ioria> Greenfrog, so you downloaded the Appimage ? if so, cd in the directory and chmod +x
[19:35] <ice9> how to install
[19:35] <ice9> keytool?
[19:35] <sarnold> Greenfrog: you can do that part with something like: 'chmod 755 path/to/file'
[19:36] <Greenfrog> right i understand downloading the appimage but it consists of 5 hyperlinks to what mostly looks like a code page. what do i do with that?
[19:36] <ioria> Appimage usually is just one file
[19:37] <Greenfrog> there isnt a "appimage file" not that i see
[19:37] <Greenfrog> yes i understand
[19:37] <Greenfrog> that would be too easy
[19:38] <ioria> https://appimage.github.io/guiscrcpy/
[19:40] <Greenfrog> ok, thanks, i was looking at appimage from github page, nothing like this page
[19:40] <sharpertool> I am on 20.04. I have a GTX 1070 Video card. I've been running Ubuntu for a couple of months just fine.
[19:40] <sharpertool> Recently I wanted to install Cuda to do some ML training, so I went to update drivers. Now I'm running the nvidia-driver-440. I've also tried the nvidia-driver-390.
[19:40] <sharpertool> What I'm seeing is that the system is really messed up. Odd things though. For example I use vi for commandline editing (set -o vi). If I try and edit a command line, it's really laggy, and often inserts, deletes the wrong character. I'm not sure how thsi can be related, but that is the only system change I made, and the 'funkiness' started right after.
[19:41] <sharpertool> I also use vnc into my desktop most of the time (long story), but now, when the screen starts to fade out to go to sleep, it flashes with white bars and generally WTF'idness... definitely not right.
[19:41] <sharpertool> Does anyone have some ideas I can look at?
[19:53] <Greenfrog> that did it, it works now. thanks :)
[21:03] <sudomake> hello, I have a VM (qemu-kvm) that boots into initramfs, which outputs that the problem is with the swap partition of the host system (the root fileystem on /dev/sdXY requires a manual fsck). does it fix it to run fsck with a live system on the said partition?
[21:12] <tomreyn> sudomake: please don't cross-post. if you choose to get help here, point it out on the other channels you asked on, and provide more details about your ubuntu installation.
[21:13] <tomreyn> also clarify how the root file system needing fsck is related to (undisclosed) swap issues.
[21:15] <sarnold> a pastebin of whatever you're actually seeing would be useful
[21:19] <sudomake> tomreyn, noone cares in linux channel anyway. I disclosed it all. VM gives the above error, and says the swap partition needs fsck
[21:19] <sudomake> more I dont know
[21:22] <Greenfrog> i'd like to find a folder encryption tool for ubuntu 20.04 but i'm not finding anything that works, any suggestions would be helpful.
[21:23] <sudomake> dont worry. I will ask it elsewhere
[21:23] <sarnold> Greenfrog: https://github.com/google/fscrypt
[21:23] <tomreyn> sudomake: partitions don't need file system checks, file systems do. but swap, while a file system, just needs to be mkswap'd again if this every happened (which i have not yet seen happen). the root file system requring a manual fsck can be solved from !recovery or from a live usb
[21:23] <Greenfrog> thank you, i'll check it out now
[21:24] <sudomake> tomreyn, you mean I erase the swap and recreate it, and then it should be fine?
[21:24] <sudomake> (some say swap isnt needed at all)
[21:24] <tomreyn> Greenfrog: fscrypt is in ubuntu as a separate package, too (but i'm not sure whether you'd only want later versions maybe)
[21:24] <sarnold> Greenfrog: you can also do zfs dataset encryption, but it's not documented quite as well, and if you're already using zfs then you probably already know about it anyway, heh
[21:25] <sudomake> or if I restart the whole system, do I get it solved perhaps? (as I presume swap is a randomly accessed partition)
[21:26] <tomreyn> sudomake: the swap should be fine then (but i suspect it already is and you just misinterpreted the message you read). if you'll mkswap then the file system uuid will change, and you may need to update it in configurations referring to it (such as /etc/fstab).
[21:27] <tomreyn> i'm also still wondering which ubuntu version you're running there
[21:28] <sudomake> tomreyn, my problem is the VM's booting into initramfs, and when I type 'exit' I get the fsck line
[21:28] <AWizzArd> When I brought an SSH connection into the background via  `ssh -fN`  then how can I bringt it to the foreground?
[21:29] <sudomake> shutting off and turning on the VM dont solve it, but havent tried host shutdown yet
[21:30] <tomreyn> no ubuntu version details, no support from my end.
[21:31] <sudomake> tomreyn, I am a debian user. but qemu-kvm is the same for all, and thought this would be a general linux question.
[21:32] <tomreyn> sudomake: how mayn times have we told you this channel is for ubuntu support only by now?
[21:32] <sudomake> sorry I get disconnected periodically, wasnt on purose
[21:32] <sudomake> purpose
[21:33] <sudomake> how many times?
[21:33] <sudomake> I guess you mistake my nick for another
[21:33] <tomreyn> i believe it was more than 0. but you know now, also the topic states so.
[21:34] <sudomake> more than zero, like that :)
[21:34] <sudomake> besides, I am a ubuntu user, too
[21:34] <tomreyn> not the point
[21:34] <sudomake> I know
[21:34] <sudomake> thank you anyway for helping
[21:38] <tatertots> sudomake: have you rebooted the host ?
[21:39] <sudomake> tatertots, I have a thing or two to do, therefore havent done it yet, but I will as soon as I am done
[21:40] <tomreyn> please move to an ontopic channel if you'll continue.
[21:41] <sudomake> are we allowed to move to DM from here, or should we completely exit the state borders?
[22:09] <sharpertool> On a fresh install of Ubuntu -- 20.04 -- what drivers are used? I have an Nvidia graphics card, and it was working *FINE*, but then I went and tried to install some official nvidia drivers, and now my system is giving me some real issues with "keyboard" response. Nothing else changed here, other than installing Cuda and nvidia drivers.
[22:10] <sharpertool> If I try and vi edit a command line, the cursor jumps to the wrong place, movement keys do not work properly, etc. It is unusable. And it is laggy as heck
[22:11] <sharpertool> I've tried going back to the Nouveau display driver, but then my screen is locked at 640x480... can't live with that
[22:11] <sarnold> sharpertool: probably the nvidia-driver-440 package (and its dependencies) are used if they work for your card
[22:12] <sharpertool> That is what is currently being used, according to "Additional Drivers"
[22:12] <tomreyn> "then I went and tried to install some official nvidia drivers" - how did you do this?
[22:13] <tomreyn> asking differently: did it involve downloading something from nvidia.com ?
[22:14] <sharpertool> used ubuntu-drivers devices, then 'sudu ubuntu-drivers autoinstall'
[22:15] <tomreyn> ah good that'd be the right approach
[22:15] <sharpertool> Okay,  here is where I probably messed up -- I did download from nvidia, then I did the autoinstall.
[22:15] <tomreyn> aha :)
[22:15] <sharpertool> so, I might have just downloaded some bogus stuff
[22:15] <sharpertool> so, is there a way to just clear it all out... and start over
[22:15] <sharpertool> uninstall all nvidia drivers..
[22:15] <tomreyn> i'm not enough into those drivers to help, but i agree wthis is probably where i broke.
[22:16] <tomreyn> i think those drivers you can download from nvidia.com come with manuals, which probably also explain how to uninstall them.
[22:17] <tomreyn> 'i broke' -> 'it broke' ;)
[22:20] <sarnold> or 'i broke it', depending :)
[22:21] <Greenfrog> i installed nvidia drivers via extra drivers and had no problem
[22:22] <Greenfrog> but mayb that was one of my good points ;)
[22:22] <matsaman> yeah I've never had a problem doing that, besides that it feels wrong because it is =P
[22:23] <Greenfrog> sok with me, it does what i want
[22:24] <sharpertool> I don't know what is going on.. it just seems as if something is interferring with proper operation of my typing.
[22:24] <sharpertool> Hm. okay, I just tested something out.
[22:26] <sharpertool> My situation is that I have a MacPro with 4 monitors, but I do hardware development, so I needed an Ubuntu machine (VM way to slow). I have to install 2 monitors on that (now I have 6), otherwise the main "vnc" session won't be resized. Anyway, I always VNC into it to my main login. I've done this for months.
[22:27] <sharpertool> I just went and typed on the physical terminal, and it works great.. so, not it looks like this is more of a VNC thing, likely caused in some way by the nvidia drivers. So, crap.
[22:27] <sharpertool> In fact.. that explains one thing, the top command has 'vino-server' as the top command... it's only at 3.5-5% cpu, so not out of whack, but still, something wrong with new drivers
[22:39] <cortexman> we built a shadow MIC and hacked your bone conductors; we are faking all of the outputs; if you come up against us you're going to see skulls pop. remove your bone conductors: 5% lidocaine OTC, exacto knife, bottle of whiskey. Write down everything you know about unchecked WMDs in a text editor and save the file.
[22:53] <jakobbg> Hi. I set up zfs on my Azure VM Focal Fossa installation, did a lot of zfs setup, rebooted a few days later, and now the zfs file systems are gone! What might have happened? Both "zpool list" and "zpool info" show "no pools available". Known topic?
[22:57] <sarnold> jakobbg: zpool import? are the block devices that held your filesystem still attached through whatever that mechanism is?
[23:00] <jakobbg> sarnold: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qDXVckN9gz/ The disk is a so-called "Disk" 4TB Standard HDD, "LUN 0". I remember that it was /dev/sdc
[23:01] <sarnold> jakobbg: try sudo zpool import /dev/disk/by-id/
[23:01] <sarnold> jakobbg: sorry
[23:01] <sarnold> jakobbg: try sudo zpool import -d /dev/disk/by-id/
[23:02] <jakobbg> Will try that. Seems like device has changed path from /dev/sdc to /dev/sdb (I might have remebered wrong)
[23:03] <sarnold> yeah /dev/sd* paths aren't stable
[23:03] <sarnold> there's no expectation that they'll have the same names from boot to boot
[23:03] <jakobbg> awesome :)
[23:03] <sarnold> yeah :)
[23:04] <sarnold> at least zfs makes it easy to set them up with the handy names from dmesg | grep sd  .. .and then convert to the stable /dev/disk/by-*/ names via a simple zpool import -d
[23:06] <jakobbg> sudo zpool import -d /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-14d5346542020202089557918b9c8ec47a556e85027abad5c gives me "no pools available to import"
[23:06] <sarnold> the -d gives the path to the directory containing the device nodes, not the full path to a device node
[23:07] <sarnold> this should be enough: sudo zpool import -d /dev/disk/by-id/
[23:07] <noudle> is it possible to set the bind address of polipo? i always get "Couldn't establish listening socket: Address already in use"
[23:08] <sarnold> noudle: use sudo ss -tnlp  to figure out what is currently using that port
[23:09] <noudle> thanks. seems like there was a zombie in the background :P
[23:09] <jakobbg> sarnold: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FKq88fgQk7/ I'm at loss :)
[23:09] <sarnold> jakobbg: oooohkay that's funny. I expected that to work.
[23:10] <jakobbg> I tried "sudo zpool import -d /dev/disk/by-id/<PHONE_NUMBER>3541977624" - that worked!
[23:10] <sarnold> yay :)
[23:11] <sarnold> jakobbg: weird, it went from a scsi- id to a wnn- id
[23:11] <jakobbg> baffles me
[23:11] <jakobbg> What to put in fstab to ensure it getting back up after new boot? I have not seen that mentioned in the docs.
[23:11] <sarnold> no need to change fstab
[23:12] <sarnold> once you've imported with the /dev/disk/by-id/ paths, the /etc/zpool.cache should be updated -- or perhaps that happens on zfs export
[23:12] <jakobbg> I'd like it to be avail on boot again :)
[23:13] <sarnold> yeah
[23:13] <Ima_Moran_999> Looking for a little help getting Oracle JDK installed on Ubuntu and I'm not exactly an expert user.
[23:13] <sarnold> try zpool export ; zpool import
[23:16] <jakobbg> The export dropped the FS again. Had to do import with full ID once again to get it back.
[23:16] <sarnold> ugh. I *really* expected the export to update the cache and then a plain import to work :/
[23:17] <sarnold> what's zpool status report? does it use the long name?
[23:17] <jakobbg> hm. but now a boot kept it online, at least.
[23:18] <jakobbg> Should I just keep my fingers crossed? :)
[23:19] <sarnold> give it a few more reboots if you can :)
[23:19] <sarnold> lets see..
[23:20] <jakobbg> right, will do.
[23:20] <jakobbg> Much appreciated, sarnold !
[23:21] <sarnold> jakobbg: you're welcome :) I hope this is the last you have to think of it :)_
[23:22] <Ima_Moran_999> I'm trying to install JDK using the instructions here:
[23:22] <Ima_Moran_999> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-java-with-apt-on-ubuntu-18-04
[23:22] <Ima_Moran_999> but since I'm installing it on a laptop and there's no server, what do I do?
[23:23] <sarnold> "and there's no server"?
[23:23] <Ima_Moran_999> >Once the file has downloaded, you’ll need to transfer it to your server.
[23:24] <sarnold> ah, that's written from the perspective of a company that sells server access :)
[23:25] <Ima_Moran_999> So here's the problem. I  just want to run OpenOffice Base. But it wants JRE, so I muddle through command line and it still doesn't work.
[23:25] <sarnold> it also looks like it's in a section about how to use the version from oracle, rather than the version that's packaged in ubuntu -- are you sure you even need to bother with it?
[23:25] <sarnold> heh, okay, so lets take one more step back :) *why* openoffice? that's a pretty stagnant thing.. does it offer you something that libreoffice doesn't?
[23:26] <sarnold> afaik there's no reason to use openoffice any more
[23:26] <Ima_Moran_999> "OpenOffice requires a Java runtime environment (JRE) to perform this task.Please install a JRE and restart OpenOffice."
[23:27] <Ima_Moran_999> The database was written in OpenOffice. I don't know if I can open it in LibreOffice, and I have OO installed.
[23:27] <Ima_Moran_999> When I try "javac -version" I get "javac 11.0.7" so I think I have Java installed, but JRE is more?
[23:29] <sarnold> Ima_Moran_999: sudo apt install default-jre   should do the job
[23:30] <sarnold> Ima_Moran_999: but I'd strongly urge you to look into using libreoffice at some point -- make sure you have a backup of your database before trying -- sudo apt install libreoffice
[23:31] <Ima_Moran_999> sarnold: "default-jre is already the newest version (2:1.11-68ubuntu1~18.04.1)."
[23:32] <sarnold> Ima_Moran_999: good good, then try restarting oo
[23:33] <Ima_Moran_999> OK I'll give it a go, thank!


[01:47] <vvesley> o/
[01:47] <vvesley> Karma seria oque ?
[03:43] <Iowan> After creating a team for Ubuntu, I'm told it doesn't follow (current) naming convention - how can I change it's name... and contact information for the owner (the ubuntu.com email address isn't working
[03:55] <Iowan> Found it - easier than expected - right on the Change Details link.
[04:29] <ripps> lol, those chromium/firefox builds are really killing the ppa builder
[04:29] <timClicks> is it possible to merge two branches within launchpad?
[04:35] <beuno> timClicks, no, you need to merge them locally and push
[04:58] <Some_Person> Is my build *seriously* not going to start for 2 flippin' days?
[04:59] <Some_Person> By then, I'll have uploaded a new version
[05:00] <persia> Some_Person: The queue was mostly empty 24 hours ago, then everyone got excited.
[05:00] <Some_Person> https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/supertux-svn/+build/1465634
[05:01] <wgrant> Lots of the PPA builders have been temporarily stolen.
[05:01] <wgrant> They will return.
[05:01] <Some_Person> stolen?
[05:01] <wgrant> To perform other duties.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> wgrant: seeing as it's more appropriate for here, do you know if the entire right panel for a bug is supposed to be at the bottom, starting below the "What next?" section?
[05:47] <persia> Hobbsee: Just make your browser wider.
[05:47] <persia> Err, narrower
[05:47] <Hobbsee> persia: it's already maxed on a 16:9 widescreen?
[05:47] <persia> For me, the right side pops up at about 600 horizontal pixels
[05:47] <wgrant> Hobbsee: That's fixed on edge.
[05:47]  * persia forgets the bug number
[05:47] <wgrant> Supposedly.
[05:48]  * persia tests edge
[05:48] <Hobbsee> oh, there we go
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ah yes, it's fixed on edge.  cool
[05:48] <persia> OOh!  It is fixed.
[05:48] <persia> Strange that I didn't see bugmail about it.
[05:49] <persia> Right.  Bug #493518 appears to be Fix Committed
[05:50] <wgrant> It was fixed very early on.
[05:50] <persia> About two weeks after it started.  I'm just surprised not to see a branch linked or a status change.
[05:50] <persia> I'm usually fairly impressed with the detailed bug mail from LP devs.
[09:54] <seb128> hi
[09:55] <seb128> launchpad edge is not able to display a package buglist without timeouting
[09:55] <seb128> known issue?
[09:56] <jpds> seb128: Yep.
[09:56] <RAOF> It's been happening for at least 24 hours.  I believe it was known yesterday.
[09:56] <persia> There's been reports of lots of timeouts on edge.  Try production.
[09:56] <seb128> I know about production thanks
[09:56] <seb128> I was asking if the issue is known before doing that in my corne :-=
[09:57] <jpds> bug #511546
[09:57] <seb128> corner ;-)
[09:57] <seb128> jpds, thanks
[09:57] <seb128> bryyce, ^
[12:35] <ahasenack> guys, I can't change a bug's project from landscape to smart, smart is not found
[12:35] <ahasenack> but bugs.launchpad.net/smart exists and is happy
[12:36] <ahasenack> weirdly, the first hit when I type "smart" in the overlay search box is, among 13 pages, a project called "Alternator"
[12:36] <ahasenack> if I use the full name, it's still not the first hit, but it is listed
[12:36] <ahasenack> just a FYI
[12:38] <persia> ahasenack: There's a couple bugs on the search interface (I forget the numbers), but I believe the goal is to do better when the user types the name correctly.
[12:38] <ahasenack> persia: you mean the long name
[12:38] <ahasenack> persia: "smart" is the correct name
[12:38] <persia> No, I mean the short name.
[12:39] <persia> Or maybe the long name too.
[12:39] <ahasenack> persia: I was just able to find it when using the long name
[12:39]  * persia isn't quite sure what thoughts lurk in the minds of LP devs.
[12:39] <persia> Right.  I've had that issue too.  I believe the plan is to do better when the user types a short name correctly, and maybe a long name too, so that the properly entered one comes up first.
[12:40] <persia> But this isn't what you initially asked :)  You need to migrate a bug between projects, and it isn't working.
[14:25] <rdb> Hm, my package in soyuz doesn't build because of a download error to developer.download.nvidia.com.
[14:25] <rdb> is there no internet connection while building the package?
[14:25] <bigjools> rdb: no, that is not allowed
[14:25] <noodles775> rdb,.. what he said.
[14:25] <rdb> But its a Build-Depends.
[14:25] <rdb> Build-Depends nvidia-cg-toolkit.
[14:25] <bigjools> there's a bug about that
[14:25] <bigjools> that dependency, I mean
[14:25] <rdb> Ouch.
[14:27] <rdb> Does this mean that someday, when the bug is fixed, my package will build?
[14:28] <bigjools> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-cg-toolkit/+bug/284750
[14:28] <bigjools> well, read the bug :)
[14:29] <rdb> Given that the bug has already been 'fixed', how long will it take for this fix to propagate to the repo's?
[14:29] <rdb> I mean, I expected to be releasing a new version of my 3D game engine today
[14:29] <rdb> but apparently I'll have to do it without ubuntu support
[14:30] <bigjools> I think you're better off asking in an ubuntu channel, I don't know the answer to your questions
[14:30] <rdb> k, thanks.
[14:31] <bigjools> it looks like someone already made a PPA package of that, FWIW
[14:31] <rdb> Uh, if i mark that ppa as dependency for now, will that fix it for the short term?
[14:32] <bigjools> you could try, yep
[14:32] <bigjools> or copy his package to your PPA, if you don't want to pull all his other packages as potential dependencies
[14:32] <jcastro> that ppa looks old
[14:33] <bigjools> hey jorge.  yeah, the package is from October
[14:36] <jcastro> rdb: it's in the development release of ubuntu already, so someone just needs to backport it, info about that here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[14:41] <rdb> hm, its a bit ugly to have the competitor 3d engine as ppa dependency :p
[15:01] <smoser> hello, i'm looking for a way to take a shorthand launchpad ppa reference (ppa:user/ppa) and from that, get : source and binary lines for sources.list, and the signing key
[15:02] <noodles775> smoser: are you aware that software sources does exactly that for you (in Karmic)?
[15:03] <smoser> no. i was not. /me goes to read
[15:03] <bigjools> there's a command line to add the repo as well
[15:03] <bigjools> add-apt-repository
[15:04] <bigjools> it knows about ppa:user
[15:19] <smoser> bigjools, noodles775 i dont see where add-apt-repository obtains a key
[15:20] <smoser> it seems like it has to already exist in %s/%s.key
[15:20] <smoser> erre.. /usr/share/app-install/channels/
[15:20] <bigjools> when I've used it before, it goes to a keyserver and downloads it
[15:21] <smoser> hm... maybe i'm missing it. i was just walking source
[15:21] <smoser> gah. it does. thanks for insisting
[15:21] <bigjools> :)
[15:26] <smoser> hm... well, walking further, it seems that I could fairly easily implement the same logic, the key was getting: 'https://launchpad.net/api/beta/~smoser/+archive/ppa'
[15:26] <smoser> the problem is that the code says:
[15:26] <smoser> # FIXME: this needs to go - elmo says the keyserver will not handle
[15:26] <smoser> #        the load
[15:27] <smoser> the other thing yucky is that the url includes 'beta'. so i'm wondering if there is a better/cleaner/more supported way to do this ?
[15:27] <smoser> anyone?
[15:27] <smoser> right now i think i go the 'apt-add-repository' route, but i'd prefer to remove the dependency.
[15:28] <bigjools> smoser: the "beta" is there because the API is still in beta
[15:28] <smoser> right
[15:28] <smoser> i'm looking to build this into something that would go into lucid
[15:28] <smoser> and woudl prefer to not depend on something that is not finalized, without an indication that it is expected to be solid.
[15:30] <bigjools> you mean the api?
[15:31] <smoser> well, yeah. if nothing else, i'm assuming that that url is not permenant
[15:32] <smoser> with 'beta' in it. and if i hard code it, i'll later have to service that.
[15:39] <bigjools> that URL should be hidden from you if you're using launchpadlib
[15:40] <bigjools> http://blog.launchpad.net/general/anonymous-access-to-the-launchpad-web-service-api
[15:40] <bigjools> smoser: ^
[15:40] <smoser> yeah.
[15:41] <smoser> i'd lke to avoid that dependency too if possible,... for now i think i the best idea is just to 'add-apt-repository <input>'
[15:41] <smoser> thanks for your help. (note, add-apt-repository does not use liblaunchpad)
[15:42] <bigjools> yeah
[15:42] <bigjools> np
[16:48] <menesis> PPA i386 builders are clogged again, > 1 day in queue
[16:52] <bigjools> menesis: what's your definition of clogged?
[16:52] <bigjools> note that there's fewer than normal PPA builders right now
[16:53] <maxb> I think > 1 day in queue is the definition of clogged being used here
[16:54] <menesis> they have more work to do than they can handle in acceptable time
[16:54] <maxb> Let's clarify it as "User experience is degraded compared to usual"
[16:54] <bigjools> when the missing builders come back that figure will drop
[16:55] <maxb> Are they likely to reappear in 1 day or in 7?
[16:58] <bigjools> they'd coming back any moment
[16:58] <bigjools> they're*
[17:23] <MTecknology> I'm trying to build a package with pbuilder before uploading to my PPA; I'm getting this error - any ideas what's wrong?  http://dpaste.com/150292/
[17:25] <maxb> xsltproc: Command not found
[17:26] <MTecknology> maxb: So I just missed a dependency?
[17:27] <maxb> yes
[17:27] <MTecknology> thanks
[17:35] <MTecknology> maxb: I'm hoping I don't hit too many of these errors during build; thanks for the help :)
[17:38] <MTecknology> maxb: any ideas about this one? http://dpaste.com/150297/
[17:38] <maxb> How about doing what it tells you to do on line 20?
[17:44] <MTecknology> maxb: I guess ./configure .... --with-fop in debian/rules is wrong..
[17:47] <persia> If you haven't already looked, the existing packaging of the bitlbee source may be a good guideline.
[17:50] <MTecknology> persia: ya.. that could help.. They're very different but I suppose it could help me figure everything out - thanks
[17:51] <persia> Just figured, as you appeared to be packaging bitlbee 1.2.4, which is in karmic and lucid :)
[17:51] <persia> Even if you change the format, the answers to all the puzzlers can probably be figured out from there.
[17:52] <MTecknology> persia: there's a separate bzr branch they have that lets you use libpurple and through that you can connect to facebook chat
[17:53] <maxb> This should not impact the docs buildsystem much, surely
[17:56] <persia> Generally my experience is that patches can be applied without changing the build system.
[18:29] <drubin> Is there a list of fields that launchpad's openid implementation supports?
[18:53] <jcastro> deryck: I purposely put my plenary on +patches on thursday just in case. :)
[18:56] <deryck> jcastro, cool :-)
[18:56] <deryck> jcastro, sorry we missed this release.
[18:56] <deryck> or will miss rather
[18:57] <jcastro> deryck: no worries
[18:57] <jcastro> something to demo during the sprint will be good enough!
[18:57] <deryck> excellent
[18:57] <deryck> jcastro, not this week, but next, right?
[18:57] <jcastro> right
[18:58] <deryck> jcastro, cool.  we may even have more landed by then too
[19:18] <drubin> Is it possible to get email passed back as part of the openid?
[19:35] <qense> Is Loggerhead having Internal Server problems?
[19:35] <qense> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mbudde/lernid/modular-lernid keeps complaining about it
[19:42] <cody-somerville> I have a launchpadlib script that runs every five minutes. 1-5 times a day, I get ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded. Any ideas what might be causing this?
[20:03] <abentley> drubin: It's definitely possible.  I believe some of our internal sites do that.
[20:04] <MTecknology> How can I figure out what package profides xft?
[20:05] <drubin> abentley: because I can't work out why passing email as a required field brings back "not under trust_root "
[20:06] <drubin> maybe my domain needs to be registered some where? not that I know where/what that is :/
[20:07] <drubin> abentley: "internal" which ones would that be maybe I can look up or look around those projects
[20:07] <abentley> MTecknology: You can use http://packages.ubuntu.com/.  If it's already installed, you can use "dpkg-query -S" to find out why.
[20:13] <abentley> drubin: I'm not an openID expert.  AFAICT, a "trust_root" failure would be due to a mismatch between the "return_to" field and the
[20:13] <abentley> "trust_root" field supplied by the relying party.
[20:21] <abentley> cody-somerville: In the general sense, I would expect it's an internal server error that's not being recognized as one.  Possibly it's returning the empty string.  I don't know why there are so many internal server errors.
[20:26] <drubin> abentley: Ah ye that was it, but it doesn't have any thing todo with the not getting email back :)
[20:27] <abentley> drubin: At least that's a bit clearer.  Your relying party will have to specifically request the email.  Are you doing that?
[20:29] <drubin> abentley: yes, I found this http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2847751&group_id=66150&atid=513503 it says that you need to  which seems to say I need to request something
[20:30] <abentley> qense: I've asked someone to have a look at that.
[20:30] <qense> abentley: thanks
[20:36] <thumper> abentley: morning
[20:36] <thumper> abentley: chr this week?
[20:36] <abentley> thumper: Morning.  Yes, I am.
[20:36] <abentley> qense: So far, it looks like only that branch is affected.
[20:37] <qense> abentley: weird, I'm wondering what mbudde did to it to make it behave that badly
[20:42] <abentley> qense: It's not a branch.  It's just a shared repository.
[20:44] <qense> ok
[20:59] <abentley> drubin: For third parties, we support only SREG by default, but you can ask Gary Poster to have our server configured to permit email addresses to be sent to your RP.
[21:01] <blueyed> Me and others have cpu/bandwidth to share for sure and I'd like to spend some of my boinc shares to Launchpad.  I am busy developing something for our loco but currently it is still sitting on localhost :)
[21:02] <blueyed> maxb: I don't know, and I don't care. There must be something.
[21:03] <blueyed> maxb: when it's not possible, then please install more hardware in the local environment.
[21:03] <drubin> abentley: Been trying to google for RP but googleing for 2 letter words isn't very helpful what does RP stand for/
[21:03] <abentley> drubin: Relying Party
[21:04] <maxb> blueyed: Well, I agree the long build times suck sometimes, but personally I'm greatful that Canonical provide the service at all
[21:04] <blueyed> It's really embarrasing.. so much wait and downtime. Ridiculous..
[21:05] <maxb> For free....?
[21:05] <maxb> If you don't like it, you could always build your packages yourself and serve them from your own servers
[21:05] <mneptok> blueyed: please watch the language, despite your frustration.
[21:06] <blueyed> maxb: often it would be better they would not provide it at all: then people would just build it locally: faster for them, and others woud have to add an external repo instead. (which involves adding another apt key etc)
[21:06] <blueyed> mneptok: ok.
[21:06] <mneptok> blueyed: thanks
[21:06] <blueyed> mneptok: what's your plan?
[21:06] <drubin> abentley: thanks again
[21:06] <maxb> blueyed: I don't understand your logic (and just ftr, I'm not affiliated with Canonical)
[21:07] <blueyed> maxb: my logic is: instead of adding backports of packages to my ppa, I'll keep them local (build instantly).
[21:07] <blueyed> maxb: others will not benefit from this, until I provide a public repo.
[21:08] <blueyed> (which takes less time than waiting for a build to complete).
[21:08] <maxb> I think you're hugely overreacting to pronounce the entire service useless just because occasionally Canonical borrow all the builders for other uses
[21:09] <blueyed> PPA is meant for the public, but it's shortness of resources makes this ridiculous.
[21:09] <blueyed> maxb: it's not just this.. also LP.net itself could be faster with more hardware. that's the point.
[21:10] <blueyed> either increase performance by profiling/software or add more cpu/ram. easy.
[21:12] <blueyed> I've been frustrated for so long with Ubuntu/LP.net feedback/performance/... - have given up almost.. now coming back some more, and it's still the same mess..
[21:12] <maxb> blueyed: It seems to me you are saying "Canonical, you are evil for not spending more money providing free services to me."  I
[21:13] <maxb> I don't see how any useful conversation can proceed from that
[21:13] <exarkun> I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/pyopenssl/+bug/454737
[21:14] <exarkun> There used to be a file attached to it
[21:14] <exarkun> If I follow the "See full activity log" link, then I can see that someone removed that attachment (annoying)
[21:14] <exarkun> That person also attached a new file, though
[21:15] <exarkun> However, I've looked at the bug page pretty hard, and I can't see any indication of that attachment
[21:15] <exarkun> What gives?
[21:15] <blueyed> maxb: I'm offering resources (CPU+mem+bandwidth). And there should just be a concept to add trust into this.
[21:15] <blueyed> maxb: apart from this, yes. why not double the resources?!
[21:16] <blueyed> it's not that much expensive, even myself, although financially quite broke, could provide this.
[21:16] <blueyed> ask people to donate, if necessary.
[21:16] <blueyed> that's the point.
[21:17] <beuno> blueyed, it's not a matter of throwing more hardware at it
[21:17] <exarkun> Oh, no, no new file was attached after all.  Blech.
[21:17] <exarkun> How do I stop people from deleting attachments from bugs?
[21:17] <beuno> and, trust me, servers with 128gb of ram don't dome cheap
[21:17] <blueyed> beuno: why not? and why do you need 128gb of ram?!
[21:18] <beuno> blueyed, because of a million reasons, it's not an application that can scale easily horizontally
[21:18] <blueyed> beuno: my idea is to build a cluster of several 2gb machines.. After all, Google is doing well with clusters of far less capable machines.
[21:18] <beuno> yes
[21:18] <blueyed> beuno: too bad.
[21:18] <beuno> google solves a different problem
[21:19] <beuno> if you want to help tackle performance
[21:19] <beuno> jump into the code
[21:19] <beuno> help optimize it
[21:19] <blueyed> pff
[21:19] <beuno> hardware isn't the problem here
[21:19] <maxb> Is build dispatch really so bad that it's the limiting factor on builder numbers?!
[21:19] <blueyed> I've tried once dive into it to provide a simple "select all" box for the advanced search statuses, but have given up upon it.
[21:20] <blueyed> beuno: it should be.
[21:20] <beuno> maxb, I don't know about builders. Those may be easier to scale.
[21:39] <wgrant> maxb: It is close to being a limiting factor yes.
[21:39] <wgrant> But throwing more builders at the problem would still fix things.
[21:39] <maxb> that is somewhat scary
[21:40] <wgrant> Some stuff is still synchronous for various evil reasons, but it's not that bad yet.
[21:40] <abentley> qense: I've filed this issue as bug #512517
[21:40] <wgrant> (and there is work in progress to fix the couple of things that can still block it)
[21:40] <qense> abentley: thanks! I'll follow that bug.
[21:41] <maxb> I didn't even know it was possible to get a shared repository on codehosting
[21:43] <abentley> maxb: Not a useful one, generally.  But for reasons I've yet to investigate, many of our branches are co-located with shared repositories.  So an aborted push attempt could leave a shared repository.
[21:44] <qense> you could ask mbudde how he pushed the branch
[21:44] <abentley> maxb: e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev is both a branch and a shared repository.
[21:45] <maxb> Does the sharedness of it matter at all, given it can't have child branches anyway?
[21:46] <abentley> maxb: It's not that it can't have child branches, it's that it *shouldn't*.  You can have a child branch named "backup.bzr" or ".bzr.backup", or ".bzr/*".  This is not recommended, and probably won't be mirrored properly.
[21:47] <abentley> maxb: Realistically, it doesn't matter, which is why I haven't investigated.
[22:54] <timClicks> hi there, can someone direct me to how to tell launchpad to import bugs from an external bug tracker?
[22:54] <timClicks> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/MultiProjectBugs#Bugs in external trackers
[22:54] <timClicks> seems to tell me its possible, but not how to do it precisely
[23:10] <thumper> timClicks: to actually import the bugs, or just to track them in an external tracker?
[23:11] <timClicks> thumper: import them, ideally
[23:11] <thumper> timClicks: from where?
[23:11] <timClicks> thumper: http://trac.sahanapy.org
[23:11] <thumper> timClicks: is the project looking to move the bug tracking to Launchpad, or just a mirror of the bugs?
[23:12] <timClicks> thumper: mirror them, at this stage
[23:12] <thumper> timClicks: ok, which TZ are you in?
[23:12] <timClicks> there's still a heated discussion about which system to use
[23:12] <timClicks> NZL (+12 UTC_
[23:12] <thumper> timClicks: because most of the bugs team work europe time
[23:12] <thumper> ha
[23:12] <timClicks> ah, sure
[23:12] <thumper> where in nz?
[23:12] <timClicks> wtgn, was just in LCA2010
[23:12] <thumper> ah, me too
[23:13] <thumper> as in I was also at LCA
[23:13] <timClicks> heh, right
[23:13] <thumper> but I'm in dunners
[23:13] <timClicks> i'll add a Q in the launchpad answers tracker
[23:13] <thumper> timClicks: that might be best
[23:13] <timClicks> i much prefer the lp bug tracker, because we can forward upstream
[23:13] <timClicks> & it's ajaxy
[23:13] <thumper> well, getting there
[23:14] <timClicks> :)
[23:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> timClicks: ah, there it is.
[23:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> timClicks: i spent an hour trying to find sahanapy.org after your talk, and failed :/
[23:35] <timClicks> Kamping_Kaiser: ha
[23:35] <timClicks> I should have made that much more obvious
[23:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> managed to find the php stuff easy, python, no so much
[23:37]  * timClicks nods
[23:37] <timClicks> that was the politics
[23:37] <timClicks> there was a lot of contention about even being allowed to call the python work sahanapy
[23:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmmm
[23:37] <timClicks> even though I personally feel it's a much stronger product technically
[23:38] <timClicks> which is probably why it's being run live at http://haiti.sahanafoundation.org/
[23:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> how to branch isn't imediately obvious to e from sahanapy.org either.
[23:39] <timClicks> I want more emphasis on Launchpad
[23:39] <timClicks> but at the moment, we're hosting our own pootle server etc
[23:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yup
[23:40] <timClicks> after seeing some of the advanced lp features at one of the miniconfs
[23:40] <timClicks> i'm quite sold
[23:40] <timClicks> i've made a request to create a sahana super-project
[23:40] <bdrung> thumper: audacity has already an vcs import: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/audacity/trunk
[23:41] <timClicks> that way, https://launchpad.net/sahana will at least make sense
[23:41] <bdrung> thumper: should i really request a new one? what will happen to the old one? aren't the vcs import branches owned by VCS imports?
[23:42] <thumper> bdrung: you can have another pointing to the new location
[23:42] <thumper> bdrung: I can stop the old one
[23:42] <thumper> bdrung: and mark it abandoned
[23:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> timClicks: a link to there somewhere on sanahapy would be handy, if thats a canonical location for source
[23:42] <thumper> bdrung: new import branches are no longer owned by vcsimports by default
[23:42] <thumper> timClicks: what is sahana?
[23:43] <thumper> bdrung: I can also change the main branch link
[23:43] <crimsun> we use it for crisiscamps
[23:43] <timClicks> thumper: it's a "disaster management system" - we collect, aggregate & disseminate lots of info
[23:43] <timClicks> http://haiti.sahanafoundation.org is live
[23:43] <timClicks> we're using about 1/3 of the system's functionality at the moment
[23:44] <bdrung> thumper: https://code.launchpad.net/~bdrung/audacity/trunk
[23:44] <timClicks> live situation maps, 650+ agency list & contacts, field locations, hosptial locations & status, SMS messaging imports where agencies can make pledges
[23:45] <timClicks> we export everything in a very RESTful manner csv, xml, xls, json, gpx, georss, rss
[23:45] <timClicks> plus some domain specific formats
[23:45] <thumper> bdrung: import approved
[23:46] <thumper> bdrung: I'll delete the old one as it never worked
[23:46] <timClicks> like edxl-have (hospital info) & pfif (person finder)
[23:46] <bdrung> thumper: thanks and thanks for all the answers
[23:46] <timClicks> oh - and kml for google maps imports
[23:47] <timClicks> Kamping_Kaiser: launchpad code hosting is canonical for sahanapy
[23:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> timClicks: cheers
[23:47] <timClicks> Kamping_Kaiser: sahana php is still using CVS from sourceforge
[23:47] <thumper> ok
[23:47] <timClicks> Kamping_Kaiser: mobile apps use lp, I think
[23:48] <bdrung> thumper: can you can the default series?
[23:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> timClicks: i found the cvs... i shuddered ;)
[23:48] <thumper> bdrung: I can make that the primary branch, yes
[23:48] <thumper> bdrung: I'll wait until the import has succeeded
[23:48] <bdrung> thumper: thanks
[23:49] <timClicks> Kamping_Kaiser: ya, I know
[23:49] <thumper> timClicks: so the code at lp:sahana is what? a python binding?  the main code?
[23:50] <thumper> timClicks: a project can't be converted to a project group, but we can create one
[23:50] <timClicks> well, tbh it's a vcs import of the php
[23:50] <timClicks> it's a bit messed up, really
[23:50] <bdrung> thumper: can you have a look at bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/508932 if you have time to?
[23:50] <timClicks> is it possible to create a project group 'sahana'
[23:51] <thumper> timClicks: not with a project called sahana
[23:51] <thumper> timClicks: projects and project groups share a namespace
[23:51] <thumper> timClicks: have you asked a question about a project group?
[23:51] <timClicks> thumper: yes
[23:51] <timClicks> ideally, I would like project-group 'sahana' and projects 'sahana-py' 'sahana-php' 'sahana-j2me'
[23:52] <timClicks> can we rename sahana > sahana-py
[23:52] <timClicks> and break the link w/ the vcs import?
[23:53] <thumper> timClicks: projects can be renamed, but only by admins, best done early in a projects life
[23:53] <thumper> timClicks: it might be worthwhile putting that in the LP question
[23:55] <thumper> bdrung: I think the gnome-colors problem is the code committed a symlink to a file that doesn't exist
[23:55] <thumper> bdrung: I know that jelmer was looking at that in bzr-svn
[23:55] <thumper> bdrung: and has some solution
[23:56] <timClicks> thumper: I have admin rights via a team to the sahana project
[23:56] <thumper> timClicks: ah, but not LP admin rights :)
[23:56] <thumper> spm: you around?
[23:56] <timClicks> ahh gotcha