[00:00] <DeltaEpsilon> are there going to be kde 4.7 beta packages in the repo?
[00:00] <DarkwingDuck> DeltaEpsilon: Expect to see 4.7 around 11.10 B2
[00:01] <Newbiathon__> ok weird
[00:01] <Newbiathon__> lol
[00:01] <DeltaEpsilon> DarkwingDuck, that is a lot of wait :\
[00:01] <Newbiathon__> im not seeing the quassel clients anywhere
[00:02] <Ddpbf> Newbiathon__: type alt+f2
[00:02] <Ddpbf> then type quassel
[00:02] <Newbiathon__> ah ok
[00:02] <Ddpbf> it will point you there is opened
[00:02] <Ddpbf> window and you ll be able to switch on it
[00:04] <Ddpbf> DeltaEpsilon: kubuntu-beta-backports ppa
[00:04] <Ddpbf> they will pack 4.7 beta i guess
[00:04] <Newbiathon> ok so is there a way to set up kubuntu where it goes to a window or something
[00:05] <Newbiathon> ?
[00:05] <DeltaEpsilon> ddpbf, "will"? so they haven't yet?
[00:05] <Ddpbf> i dont no
[00:05] <Ddpbf> i am looking
[00:07] <Ddpbf> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[00:11] <Ddpbf> DeltaEpsilon: ppa is empty ther is not 4.7 yet
[00:11] <Newbiathon> how can i see all my stuff that is running without having to go to alt f2?
[00:11] <Ddpbf> in konsole top
[00:11] <Ddpbf> or system monytor
[00:11] <Ddpbf> *monitor
[00:12] <DeltaEpsilon> Ddpbf, I was looking forward to 4.7 beta packages for Kubuntu :(
[00:14] <Newbiathon> where is system monitor?
[00:15] <Newbiathon> hmmm, it was just putting things in windows before
[00:15] <Newbiathon> till i rebooted
[00:16] <Guest73685> Hello. Is it possible to use the newer akonadi server with kubuntu 11.04 ( 4.6.3 using ppa =
[00:18] <EugenMayer> Hello. Is it possible to use the newer akonadi server with kubuntu 11.04 ( 4.6.3 using ppa =
[00:18] <Newbiathon> how can i make it to where i can minimize programs into a certain area in kubuntu 11.04?
[00:19] <Ddpbf> Newbiathon: use system tray
[00:20] <Ddpbf> type f7
[00:20] <Ddpbf> in quassel
[00:20] <Newbiathon> well the sys tray doen't show opened apps
[00:20] <Newbiathon> i see ...
[00:20] <Ddpbf> it shows icon
[00:20] <Newbiathon> networking, volume, clipboard
[00:21] <Ddpbf> quassel should be there
[00:21] <Newbiathon> it isn't
[00:21] <Newbiathon> weird
[00:21] <Ddpbf> there is little arrow
[00:21] <Ddpbf> ok press
[00:22] <Newbiathon> yeah printer and file indexing
[00:22] <Ddpbf> f7
[00:22] <Newbiathon> is all i see
[00:22] <Ddpbf> press f7 in quassel
[00:22] <Ddpbf> and in interface
[00:22] <Ddpbf> find
[00:23] <Ddpbf> show system try icon
[00:23] <Newbiathon> ok
[00:23] <Newbiathon> cool
[00:23] <Newbiathon> now i see it
[00:23] <Newbiathon> but what about other progs?
[00:24] <Ddpbf> hm they shoud be shown in taskbar
[00:24] <Newbiathon> they arent
[00:24] <Ddpbf> ok
[00:24] <Newbiathon> anything i should do in sys tray settings?
[00:24] <Ddpbf> right click on kde panel
[00:25] <Ddpbf> add new widget
[00:25] <Newbiathon> or panel settings
[00:25] <Ddpbf> add task manager
[00:25] <EugenMayer> anybody in here being able to use caldav / carddav with kde 4.6.3 ?
[00:26] <Ddpbf> Newbiathon: there is not something like this?
[00:26] <Ddpbf> http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/screenshots/panel.jpg
[00:27] <Newbiathon> yeah mine is on the left though
[00:27] <Newbiathon> my sys tray
[00:27] <Newbiathon> and diff icons
[00:28] <Ddpbf> yes i know is kde 4.1
[00:28] <Ddpbf> but there is nothing between sys tray
[00:28] <Ddpbf> and K-menu?
[00:29] <Newbiathon> no
[00:29] <Newbiathon> lol
[00:29] <Ddpbf> right click on panel
[00:29] <Newbiathon> i right clicked the desktop and hit add panel
[00:29] <Newbiathon> now all my windows are at the top
[00:30] <Newbiathon> cool
[00:30] <Ddpbf> ok i guess it ll als do th trick
[00:30] <Newbiathon> how do i get my speakers working now
[00:30] <Newbiathon> i see the volume button
[00:30] <Newbiathon> i have a xtreme gamer sound blaster card
[00:30] <Ddpbf> ouch
[00:31] <Newbiathon> what?
[00:31] <Newbiathon> won't work on kubuntu?
[00:31] <Ddpbf> pulse is kind
[00:31] <Ddpbf> it ll work
[00:31] <Ddpbf> but i dont know to help you
[00:31] <Ddpbf> :)
[00:31] <Newbiathon> what is pulse
[00:31] <Newbiathon> when i right click on the vol icon it says select master channel
[00:31] <Ddpbf> pulse is audio server in ubuntu
[00:32] <Ddpbf> (naturally in kubntu also since that is same distro with other DE)
[00:32] <Newbiathon> ok do i need to download the pulse drivers?
[00:33] <Newbiathon> brb
[00:33] <Ddpbf> just a sec
[00:36] <Ddpbf> Newbiathon: are you here?
[00:47] <SIR_Taco> time to put Virtualbox back on I guess....
[00:55] <latinlover> hi can any one tell me how setup the fireweall on kubuntu
[00:57] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: firestarter is a decent frontend for setting up a firewall
[00:58] <latinlover> is that somting i have to download?
[01:00] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: yes, unless you like editing text files :) do you have a router though?
[01:01] <latinlover> yes i have the linksys router wrt610n
[01:02] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: then you already have a firewall with it...
[01:03] <latinlover> you think thats enough ?
[01:04] <SIR_Taco> depends on what you think 'enough' is I guess.... it's enough for me
[01:04] <SIR_Taco> I'm not exactly a target for international espionage :)
[01:06] <latinlover> you never know
[01:06] <SIR_Taco> I'm sure they're going to take down Canada with my blender files and random code :)
[01:08] <latinlover> coud kubuntu get infected whit virus?
[01:08] <Newbiathon> can someone please help me get my speakers to work in kubuntu
[01:09] <Newbiathon> i have a sound blaster xtreme gamer card
[01:10] <Newbiathon> and also at boot, i cannot choose whether to go to  linux or win 7
[01:10] <Newbiathon> how do i fix this
[01:10] <Newbiathon> win7 is on a seperate partition
[01:10] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: first... kubuntu has a basic firewall to begin with.... and your router helps more than you'd think. I'm sure that Kubuntu could get infected with a virus, but viruses for Linux are few and far between. And I've never heard tell of a machine getting infected, only 'possibilities'
[01:11] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: as for the boot problem.... try "sudo update-grub"
[01:11] <latinlover> how do i enable the basic firewall on kubuntu?
[01:12] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: it's already enabled.... that firestarter program I suggested would allow you to tweak it, but it's not something to do unless you really know what you're doing
[01:12] <Newbiathon> ok i upgraded grub
[01:13] <Newbiathon> also i just tried a "kdesudo upgrade"
[01:13] <Newbiathon> and got ...
[01:13] <Newbiathon> QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory
[01:13] <Newbiathon> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/greyboy/.config/ibus/bus
[01:13] <FloodBotK1> Newbiathon: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:13] <Newbiathon> oh sorry
[01:13] <latinlover> ok thankyou for you help
[01:13] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: say you had a web server.... you might want to close ports for IRC, MSN, etc. closing things you don't need is just a safety precaution.
[01:14] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: should be "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[01:14] <Newbiathon> oh my bad
[01:14] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: but might want to run "sudo apt-get update" first
[01:14] <shane2peru> anyone know how to change the kde menu to the old style?  I find the new style slow and bulky.
[01:15] <latinlover> kubuntu dont detect my iphone 4
[01:15] <Newbiathon> now it is saying need to get  0 B/2,151 kb of archives
[01:16] <Newbiathon> and any help with the sound?
[01:16] <Newbiathon> im liking kubuntu, but would like it better with sound lol
[01:16] <SIR_Taco> shane2peru: if you unlock your widgets (right-click on the kde menu icon at the bottom, select "unlock widgets") then right-click on the kde icon again, and select "Switch to classic menu style"
[01:17] <shane2peru> SIR_Taco: ahh, ok, thanks!!!  And switching back is that simple too?
[01:17] <SIR_Taco> shane2peru: yep
[01:17] <shane2peru> gotta love it!
[01:17] <shane2peru> thanks SIR_Taco
[01:17] <SIR_Taco> np
[01:18] <shane2peru> sweet that is nice.  I like that old style menu, it is old, but it is efficient.
[01:18] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: I do not believe that the IPhone4 will work via USB as it does in Windows.... Apple locks it down and doesn't release drivers
[01:18] <Newbiathon> sound help pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaase
[01:18] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: what sound card again? (I am only one man lol)
[01:19] <Newbiathon> xtreme gamer sound blaster
[01:19] <latinlover> it works on ubuntu!!!!
[01:19] <Newbiathon> thanks sir taco
[01:19] <latinlover> sit taco you the best!!!!
[01:22] <SIR_Taco> lol
[01:22] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: does any sound work? startup sound, anything?
[01:22] <Newbiathon> no
[01:23] <Newbiathon> want me to right click on the volume icon?
[01:24] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: in knosole, if you type "alsamixer" check to see if your volumes are up
[01:24] <Newbiathon> under master channel there is a  SB-xFi analog stereo button
[01:24] <Newbiathon> front mi shows nothing
[01:25] <SIR_Taco> make sure at the bottom of the volume bars, it has "00" and is green and now "MM".... if it's "MM" use the arrow keys to highlight the volume control and hit "m" (to unmute)
[01:25] <SIR_Taco> might want to start some music while you mess with the settings a bit :)
[01:28] <Newbiathon> still no sound
[01:28] <Newbiathon> on youtube.com
[01:28] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: if it works in Ubuntu it should work on Kubuntu
[01:28] <Newbiathon> the kmix controller
[01:28] <Newbiathon> what master channel should it be on?
[01:29] <Newbiathon> when i right click the volume icon?
[01:29] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: where all the volumes up full in the alsamixer window?
[01:29] <Newbiathon> yes
[01:29] <Newbiathon> i hit f6 and went to sound blaster too
[01:30] <SIR_Taco> ooooh
[01:30] <SIR_Taco> do you have an on-board sound card?
[01:30] <Newbiathon> hmmm dunno but prob
[01:30] <Newbiathon> i think i disabled it in bios
[01:31] <SIR_Taco> well when you hit F6 what options do you have?
[01:31] <Newbiathon> sec
[01:32] <Newbiathon> default, 0 hda intel, 1 hda audio generic, 2 creative x-fi, enter device name
[01:32] <Newbiathon> that is the options
[01:33] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: so your onboard soundcard isn't disabled... the quick and easy way is just to disable it in the BIOS.... will save time and energy
[01:33] <Newbiathon> ok
[01:33] <Newbiathon> maybe i restored defaults
[01:33] <Newbiathon> brb
[01:33] <Newbiathon> going to bios
[01:33] <SIR_Taco> 0 in the list is your default...
[01:34] <SIR_Taco> and he's gone haha
[01:35] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:IPod#Supported_Devices is for amarok... but I guess you could install the program that you used in Ubuntu to get it working (Rythmbox maybe?)
[01:39] <latinlover> can i remote control a windows computer on kubuntu?
[01:39] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: how so? like the remote assistance in windows?
[01:40] <Newbiathon> sir_taco I love you
[01:40] <Newbiathon> it works now
[01:40] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: lol
[01:40] <latinlover> yes
[01:40] <SIR_Taco> good to hear
[01:40] <Newbiathon> but the grub update didn't work for logging into win 7
[01:40] <Newbiathon> i don't know why it won't prompt which os to go into
[01:41] <Newbiathon> guess i could always install wine
[01:41] <Newbiathon> but kind of bad for gaming
[01:41] <Newbiathon> i like to use win 7 for gaming
[01:43] <Newbiathon> is wine for kde?
[01:43] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=155527 ... but if you install krfb (sudo apt-get install krfb) it should give you options for it
[01:43] <Newbiathon> or just gnome?
[01:43] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: use the paste.kde.org to paste what your "sudo update-grub" output is
[01:44] <SIR_Taco> see that... a virus just entered #kubuntu... and immediately quit :P
[01:45] <latinlover> who is  virus?
[01:45] <Newbiathon> how do i pull up the output to paste
[01:45] <Newbiathon> just type in kdesudo update-grub?
[01:45] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: if you highlight it (click and drag) and then middle-click it into the paste part of the past.kde.org
[01:46] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: nooo.... Alt-F2 -> type in "konsole" -> enter -> type in "sudo update-grub"
[01:47] <Newbiathon> ok i pasted
[01:47] <Newbiathon> http://paste.kde.org/76591/
[01:48] <Newbiathon> SIR_Taco: can you see it?
[01:49] <latinlover> sir taco do you know how get the redhat OS  ?
[01:50] <Newbiathon> should be able to get it on the linux site
[01:51] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: odd that it's not detecting your windows drive
[01:51] <Newbiathon> oh oh there is a  /dev option in the boot priority
[01:51] <SIR_Taco> latinlover: redhat.com I would imagine
[01:51] <Newbiathon> i disabled it
[01:51] <Newbiathon> might have something to do with it
[01:51] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: maybe haha
[01:52] <Newbiathon> i just didn't know what it was
[01:52] <Newbiathon> ill try to set it to 1st
[01:52] <Newbiathon> see what happens
[01:52] <Newbiathon> brb
[01:53] <andreb> hi all
[01:53] <SIR_Taco> hi andreb
[01:53] <andreb> hi taco
[01:53] <andreb> i am trying to configure bind and it am at a lost
[01:54] <andreb> i chrooted it and not it doenst want to start
[01:54] <andreb> giving me the following error
[01:54] <andreb> /etc/bind/named.conf:10: change directory to '/var/lib/named' failed: file not found
[01:54] <andreb> any pointers or ideas ?
[01:55] <SIR_Taco> andreb: I'm afraid I'm not the one to be asking about bind.... hopefully someone else is around
[01:55] <andreb> k
[01:55] <andreb> thanks
[01:56] <Newbiathon> no dice
[01:56] <Newbiathon> there is a removable dev option in  my boot up priority
[01:56] <Newbiathon> i don't know what for
[01:56] <Fester77> hi
[01:56] <SIR_Taco> andreb: this might help (though it's for Suse) http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/novell-archives/308711-cant-start-chrooted-named.html
[01:57] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: likely for SD cards/flash drives etc.
[01:57] <Newbiathon> k yeah
[01:57] <Newbiathon> well durn
[01:57] <Newbiathon> i still want to  go to win 7
[01:57] <Newbiathon> i see the partition is there and all
[01:57] <Newbiathon> hmmm...
[01:58] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: give me a min and I'll figure it out
[01:58] <Newbiathon> QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory
[01:58] <Newbiathon> that pops up when i try to update the grub
[01:58] <Newbiathon> using kdesudo  upgrade-grub
[01:58] <andreb> Taco : thanks read that already.. dont think it applies to me thou
[02:01] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: this might fix it: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22698/update-grub2-not-finding-windows7-partition
[02:01] <Fester77> i need a "unmount" to counter some mounts that went wrong
[02:02] <Fester77> seems the old mounts keeps piling up even if they not really there
[02:02] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: umount wont work?
[02:03] <Fester77> not sure .... im a newbie ... just installed kubuntu in virtualbox and im trying to get the hostfolders
[02:03] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: where are the mounts piling up?
[02:03] <Fester77> cant get the clipboard from the guest else i´d point u to the page i have with those intructions
[02:04] <Fester77> in media where i set them
[02:04] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: in the media directory? or in the device notifier in the taskbar?
[02:04] <Fester77> hold a sec plz....
[02:06] <Fester77> i see nothing in the taskbar .... just @ /mount ....
[02:06] <Newbiathon> how do you mount drives in kubuntu?
[02:06] <Newbiathon> i only know how to do it in  gnome
[02:07] <Fester77> can u tell me how to get the vbox guest clipboard and then i can paste the url
[02:07] <andreb> anyone GOOD WITH BIND ?
[02:07] <SIR_Taco> you have mounted drives in /mnt  or /media that aren't there? you can always type "sudo umount /media/<name>" to get rid of it.... but if it's a CD/DVD/Removable drive... it's really not causing any problems and will disappear when you reboot
[02:08] <SIR_Taco> andreb: try "/j #bind" they'll know more than me for sure :)
[02:08] <andreb> i am there Taco but all seem to be sleeping :(
[02:08] <Fester77> http://www.giannistsakiris.com/index.php/2008/04/09/virtualbox-access-windows-host-shared-folders-from-ubuntu-guest/
[02:08] <Fester77> found it
[02:08] <SIR_Taco> andreb: argh, well that sucks
[02:09] <andreb> thanks so much Sir_taco :)
[02:09] <SIR_Taco> np
[02:09] <Fester77> they went wrong as i´ve wanted to mount several letters and they first went into windows share ...
[02:10] <SIR_Taco> helping too many people at once... confused... lol
[02:10] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: aaah, ok
[02:10] <Fester77> so i rebooted kubuntu and repated and they old ones are left and keeps piling up
[02:10] <SIR_Taco> doesn't help it's 30+ degress in here lol
[02:11] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: are they network mounts?
[02:12] <Fester77> hmm ... i not sure what u mean ... but vbox folder are recognized as "networkdrives" per say ... but there not "real" network drives
[02:13] <Ontolog> PolicyKit keeps crashing. Also it always asks me for a passord which I don't want. I want it confgured like I have for sudo ("NOPASSWD").
[02:13] <Ontolog> Any tips for me?
[02:13] <Fester77> thougt the mount seemed similar to dosbox mount so i assumed the could be a -u in mount but nooooooo :P
[02:14] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: ok... lets step back a second.... so you are running Kubuntu in virtualbox? and you have mounts in your /media directory that you don't wish to have?
[02:14] <Fester77> yes
[02:14] <Newbiathon> SIR_Taco: when i go to my windows partition and click the windows folder, I see the "Boot" folder with a capital "B"; However, i do not see a "boot" folder
[02:15] <Fester77> i wish to have them but to readd them and delete the faulty ones
[02:15] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: ok.... and what are you running Virtualbox on? windows? linux? and what do the unwanted mounts point to?
[02:15] <Fester77> win 7 pro x64 guest kubuntu x64
[02:15] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: ok, and they show up every time you restart your Virtualbox image?
[02:16] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: ok... well that's not it then.... you don't have some odd setup? like windows/linux on an external drive or anything?
[02:17] <Fester77> yup i go in gnome commander and it show those mounts since before even though they wont work
[02:17] <Newbiathon> no it is all on my single internal drive
[02:18] <Fester77> no biggie really ..... just not famiar with standard linux commands in the terminal
[02:19] <Newbiathon> ok my linux partition has a boot folder, windows 7 has Boot?
[02:19] <Newbiathon> is this the prob
[02:19] <Newbiathon> which do i change
[02:19] <Newbiathon> i don't want to mess anything up
[02:19] <Fester77> i can right click those mountnames and select delete but then it access denied
[02:20] <Fester77> so i figure it must be dine thru a terminal command
[02:20] <Newbiathon> that has to be the problem
[02:20] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: it is possible they are in your /etc/fstab file.... and are being loading automatically
[02:20] <Newbiathon> i was just a bit confused
[02:20] <Newbiathon> do i change the windows folder to boot?
[02:20] <Newbiathon> since it is Boot atm
[02:20] <Fester77> w8 a sec ... will try to get there and check
[02:20] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: no.... don't mess with the windows partition lol
[02:21] <Newbiathon> ok
[02:21] <Newbiathon> i could always just change it back though right?
[02:21] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: do you only have one drive then?
[02:21] <Newbiathon> but yeah my root folder is "boot" and window dir is "Boot"
[02:21] <Newbiathon> yea
[02:21] <Newbiathon> just one drive
[02:22] <Newbiathon> i made a partition for kubuntu
[02:22] <Newbiathon> im thinking if i change that to "boot" it might  work
[02:23] <Newbiathon> and if it doesn't can't i just change back to "Boot"
[02:23] <SIR_Taco> so you should be able to do "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" and see if it will reinstall
[02:24] <Newbiathon> didn't work
[02:24] <Fester77> gnome commander will let me view but not edit fstab ... when i view i can see lots of shit i can cant comprehend and some of it says mount .... cant make out my mountnames .... entry seems more like taken from regedit .... five 23421-24214-fdw3d etc etc
[02:24] <Newbiathon> QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory
[02:25] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: go into the console.... type "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[02:25] <SIR_Taco> or konsole... whatever you're comfortable going into
[02:26] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: try doing a "sudo dpkg --configure -a" something's not right with your installation
[02:27] <SIR_Taco> also... the Boot folder in Windows is completely separate from what we're talking about.... just don't mess with it :)
[02:28] <SIR_Taco> I'm thinking I need some sponsors lol
[02:28] <Fester77> not sure what that did ... but it seems like "type blah.txt" in dos .... i got the contents of fstab in the console ....
[02:29] <Newbiathon> kdesudo: Unknown option 'configure'.
[02:29] <Newbiathon> i am on 64-bit version
[02:29] <Newbiathon> if that matters
[02:29] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: so you have the fstab file open? do you see the mounts that are unwanted?
[02:30] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: I want you to forget about kdesudo for a moment, and just open Konsole and type what I said (this technical support brought to you by Pepsi... mmmm goood... lol)
[02:31] <Newbiathon> oh lol
[02:31] <Newbiathon> i thought it had to be kdesudo on kubuntu lol
[02:31] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: only if you want to open a GUI program in KDE with as root.... which is generally a bad idea
[02:32] <Newbiathon> dang ok
[02:32] <SIR_Taco> most GUI programs that need root access to finish a task will prompt for a root password
[02:33] <Newbiathon> ok so now it asked for passwd, i typed it and now it must be thinking or something
[02:33] <SIR_Taco> good sign
[02:34] <Newbiathon> how long do i wait
[02:34] <SIR_Taco> until it's done :)
[02:34] <Newbiathon> ok what is a guesstimate
[02:34] <Newbiathon> sorry if im being annoying
[02:35] <Newbiathon> oh wait ... no, it isn't thinking
[02:35] <Newbiathon> lol
[02:35] <SIR_Taco> it will check every I/O device to see if there could possibly be an OS on it... and install Grub to the MBR
[02:35] <Newbiathon> just went right back to the reg konsole setup
[02:35] <Fester77> i get the first page and i dont know how to scroll .... say letter^ ... like "page down w^" .... dont know if thats ctrl+w or alt etc.... the " ^ " thing .... but as of the first page cant make out anything that seems relevant ..... to mounts with those "regedit" type names
[02:36] <SIR_Taco> ok... now what do you get if you type "sudo update-grub"
[02:37] <Newbiathon> what was that pastebin site again
[02:37] <Newbiathon> i don't want to  flood
[02:37] <Newbiathon> or can i pm you?
[02:37] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: sure
[02:38] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: fstab should look something like this : http://paste.kde.org/76597/
[02:39] <SIR_Taco> where after the UUID (for hard drives anyway) marks where they are mounted. ie: in my example /dev/sdb1 is mounted as / or root drive
[02:39] <Fester77> 3 entries ....1st about linux image .... /boot/vmlinuz something 2nd initrd image ... /boot/vmlinuz blahblah 3rd memtest86+ image /boot/memtest86+.bin .... then right after says done
[02:39] <Newbiathon> going to reboot right fast
[02:40] <Fester77> @taco : is there no unmount command ?
[02:40] <Newbiathon> oh what is this taco?
[02:40] <Newbiathon> http://paste.kde.org/76603/
[02:40] <SIR_Taco> Fester77:  yes there is... umount is the command
[02:41] <Newbiathon> i did a sudo apt-get uprade as well
[02:41] <Newbiathon> i was using kdesudo apt-get upgrade/update before
[02:41] <Newbiathon> i was told wrong previously
[02:41] <Fester77> mkay ... i´l play with that a little .... bbl
[02:41] <Fester77> thx anyway
[02:42] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: you can umount a directory/folder or device.... so I can do "sudo umount /dev/sda1" or I can do "sudo umount /media/windows" if my mount were called "windows"
[02:43] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: that will work great.... so long as there are no errors.... then you're lost in the woodwork
[02:43] <Newbiathon> and why isn't it asking for root passwd anymore
[02:43] <Newbiathon> ?
[02:43] <Newbiathon> did the configure
[02:43] <Newbiathon> mess up my password?
[02:44] <Newbiathon> how can i tell if a  root password is still set
[02:44] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: when you type your password for the first sudo... it assumes you're still you for a while in that terminal session and doesn't ask again
[02:44] <Newbiathon> ok so if i close and reopen
[02:44] <Newbiathon> it should ask again?
[02:44] <SIR_Taco> yes
[02:45] <Newbiathon> lol sorry for newbing
[02:45] <Newbiathon> you will prob. start logging off when you see me coming lol
[02:45] <SIR_Taco> not a problem, been there
[02:45] <Newbiathon> brb im going to reboot and see what happens
[02:45] <SIR_Taco> naw, I started on a not so user friendly system lol
[02:47] <Newbiathon> durn
[02:47] <Newbiathon> didn't say anything about win7
[02:48] <SIR_Taco> hmmm
[02:48] <SIR_Taco> it's a good thing I'm stubborn :P
[02:49] <Newbiathon> http://paste.kde.org/76609/
[02:49] <Newbiathon> that is the sudo upgrade-grub
[02:49] <Newbiathon> output
[02:49] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: good... was just about to ask you for it :)
[02:49] <Newbiathon> i am stubborn too
[02:49] <Newbiathon> lol
[02:49] <SIR_Taco> you're learning :)
[02:49] <Newbiathon> yeah im a fast learner
[02:50] <Newbiathon> with the proper instructor
[02:50] <Newbiathon> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic???
[02:50] <Newbiathon> is the vm virtual machine?
[02:51] <SIR_Taco> that's what runs in your RAM to boot into Linux
[02:51] <Newbiathon> oh ok
[02:53] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: try this maybe? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9397658&postcount=13
[02:53] <Fester77> taco this is going to be tricky since umount states that it is´nt mounted .... however gnome commaner sees it and that native file mangager sees it too ... none of them can however those mount to trash/delete them... used to sudo thing u told me ..... "sudo umount /media/e_drive"
[02:54] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: but if you open the mounted directory.... can you view the files? or do you get an error? (I mean open the files, not jsut get a directory listing, as it may be cached)
[02:55] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: however, instead of (hd0,1), if your windows partition is on the first partition of your drive it should be (hd0,0)
[02:55] <Fester77> nah ... cant browse them either ... but as for now its kinda logical since I´ve unshared them from the vbox dialouge
[02:56] <Newbiathon> ok so i go to my root folder, then etc
[02:56] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: nope, ignore that haha
[02:56] <Newbiathon> well which part do i do
[02:57] <Newbiathon> entry added to 40_ custom?
[02:57] <Newbiathon> just add that?
[02:57] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: it's likely they are placeholders... but.... I haven't run into it myself
[02:59] <Fester77> yeah thats also my take ... just reshared the folders and doing a guest reboot ...
[02:59] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: try adding the second code box to your /etc/grub.d/40_custom file
[02:59] <SIR_Taco> then a "sudo update-grub"
[03:02] <Newbiathon> ok and to get to the grub.d/40_custom i go to root/etc/grub.d/40_custom
[03:02] <Newbiathon> right
[03:03] <SIR_Taco> in konsole: type "sudo nano /etc/grub.d/40_custom" or you can do your "kdesudo kate" and find the file that way
[03:03] <Newbiathon> i got a 41_cusom file there too
[03:04] <SIR_Taco> there is no 40_custom?
[03:04] <Newbiathon> yeah there is
[03:04] <Newbiathon> just saying
[03:04] <Newbiathon> there is also a 42
[03:04] <Newbiathon> 41*
[03:04] <SIR_Taco> just ignore the rest :P
[03:04] <FloodBotK1> Newbiathon: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:05] <SIR_Taco> 40 is what we're after
[03:06] <Newbiathon> ok where in the file do i paste it
[03:08] <BronxDad1956> does anyone know how to put ubuntu back to default w/o re-installing the OS again?
[03:08] <Newbiathon> ok i pasted the code
[03:09] <Newbiathon> and you said to change the hd0,1?
[03:09] <shane2peru> BronxDad1956: mv the .kde folder to .kde.bak and it should reset the desktop I think.
[03:09] <Newbiathon> how do i check my partitons in kubu to see the part name or whatnot?
[03:09] <shane2peru> BronxDad1956: that is the folder in the User account, it is hidden
[03:09] <BronxDad1956> i think i am on gnome
[03:09] <BronxDad1956> 11.04 ubuntu
[03:10] <SIR_Taco> BronxDad1956: you want to go back to Gnome2?
[03:10] <BronxDad1956> i just want it back to the way it was when i installed it
[03:10] <BronxDad1956> whatever works
[03:10] <shane2peru> BronxDad1956: ahh, I did that too, since I totally botched Unity 2 times in two days, I think it is .local, .gconf2 or something like that don't remember, but renaming them will work, and you don't lose data.
[03:10] <Newbiathon> SIR_taco: do i change the hd0,1 part of the code?
[03:11] <BronxDad1956> please remember. i don't want to experiment
[03:11] <Newbiathon> how do i tell if it is the first partition
[03:11] <shane2peru> BronxDad1956: or just move them to a backup folder in case you later want to restore a file or something from them, I never did any restoring
[03:11] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: leave it as is, and run the "sudo update-grub" see if it detects it... if not change the 1 to a 0....
[03:11] <shane2peru> BronxDad1956: that was well over a month ago, Ubuntu channel would be of more help to you.
[03:11] <Newbiathon> k
[03:12] <BronxDad1956> ok.. i will do research.. be back soon
[03:12] <shane2peru> BronxDad1956: those two folders are safe experiments
[03:12] <shane2peru> I dumped unity/gnome, so I don't know.
[03:12] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: its always easier if I am there to see it lol
[03:12] <shane2peru> possible .gnome2 as well, BronxDad1956  moving them doesn't hurt anything and should restore you.
[03:13] <Newbiathon> ok so rebooting brb
[03:13] <Fester77> «SIR_Taco»
[03:13] <SIR_Taco> ?
[03:14] <Fester77> nevermind made some superlong statement that i lost when trying to get u in pm
[03:14] <SIR_Taco> lol ok, try again if you want
[03:14] <Fester77> dint want to fill up the whole chat
[03:14] <guest09876> hello i need some help with my wireless on a old laptop its a inspiron 1525 network card PRO/Wireless 4965 AG
[03:14] <guest09876> i have the driver for it but its not working
[03:15] <guest09876> i also have the radio button for the wireless turn on
[03:15] <guest09876> /lib/modules/2.6.35-28-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/
[03:15] <Newbiathon> well durn
[03:15] <Newbiathon> didn't work
[03:15] <Newbiathon> change to 0 now?
[03:15] <guest09876> odd
[03:16] <c2tarun> guest09876: from where did you get the driver?
[03:16] <guest09876> its comes with the kernal
[03:16] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: sure.... but it should show up when you do the "sudo update-grub", if not, there's no point in rebooting
[03:16] <guest09876> it*
[03:17] <guest09876> i havnt added any drivers to the kernal
[03:18] <guest09876> its a fresh installation of kubuntu 11.04
[03:18] <Newbiathon> not working
[03:18] <guest09876> everything works great on it
[03:19] <guest09876> all but my wifi not working
[03:19] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: ... what if you type in konsole "ls /dev/sda*" how many numbers do you get after sda?
[03:19] <Fester77> ok taco ....i made it .... guest is browsing host ... need to make http://www.giannistsakiris.com/index.php/2008/04/09/virtualbox-access-windows-host-shared-folders-from-ubuntu-guest/ "You could use the /etc/init.d/rc.local script to execute these commands on startup to have the shared folders automatically mounted every time you start your Ubuntu VirtualBox." .... have found rc-local and upon
[03:19] <Fester77> edit it looks like some c++ script ... not at all like a windows/dos .bat file as i exepted as it says to add lines to it ... how to i add the lines ? just at the of the file ? line for line ?
[03:19] <FloodBotK1> Fester77: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:20] <Newbiathon> bash: ls/dev/sda: No such file or directory
[03:20] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: no, it's not like a bat file unfortunately
[03:21] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: you need a space between the "ls" and the rest
[03:21] <Newbiathon> just says /dev/sda in  yello
[03:21] <Fester77> @ taco : http://paste.ubuntu.com/615153/
[03:21] <Newbiathon> w
[03:22] <Newbiathon> no numbers
[03:22] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: you typed "ls /dev/sda*" without quotes?
[03:22] <Newbiathon> yeah
[03:22] <Newbiathon> oh sorry
[03:22] <Newbiathon> didn't do the *, doh
[03:23] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: sorry man, I have no idea, I don't mess much with virtualbox, only to test web pages on old Internet Explorers
[03:24] <Newbiathon> ok there is /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, /dev/sda3, /dev/sda4
[03:24] <Fester77> mkay .... brb
[03:25] <Newbiathon> should i delete that code i put in to my  custom_40 file?
[03:25] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: without getting into crazy detail.... change that value before.... (the one we changed from 1 to 0) to 4, do "sudo update-grub" then 3, and update grub, etc. try them all
[03:26] <SIR_Taco> one of them should give you a windows boot option lol
[03:26] <guest09876> ok people this is weird
[03:26] <guest09876> it started working
[03:27] <Newbiathon> ok
[03:27] <SIR_Taco> guest09876: it's magic :)
[03:27] <guest09876> im the guy having the wifi problem
[03:27] <guest09876> i have no idea what i did
[03:27] <Newbiathon> so change to 0 update, change to 1 update, change to 2 update, all the way to 4 right?
[03:28] <guest09876> the laptop is probably just old
[03:28] <Newbiathon> or copy and paste the code 4 times with each set a diff. number?
[03:28] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: yes, but run "sudo update-grub" in-between each
[03:28] <Newbiathon> ok
[03:28] <SIR_Taco> (someone's going to kick me for suggesting this I'm sure... but it's the less painful way lol)
[03:28] <guest09876> i never had any problems with linux before unless something was just misconfigured
[03:29] <guest09876> i think it maybe something to do with the radio button
[03:29] <guest09876> not working right
[03:30] <guest09876> thank you everyone that help me
[03:30] <SIR_Taco> guest09876: best of luck
[03:34] <Newbiathon> ok done
[03:35] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: none had a windows entry?
[03:35] <Newbiathon> should i reboot?
[03:35] <Newbiathon> no
[03:35] <Newbiathon> lol they all had the same entry
[03:35] <SIR_Taco> then no.... there's no need to reboot
[03:35] <Newbiathon> i swear i think it is bc my windows has "Boot"
[03:35] <Newbiathon> and linux is "boot"
[03:36] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: so let me make sure I know what's going on here: you have 1 harddrive, with 4 partitions?
[03:36] <Newbiathon> this is a headache lol
[03:36] <Newbiathon> yeah
[03:36] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: no, it's not a boot/Boot problem haha
[03:36] <Newbiathon> i have a kubuntu, swap, win7, and file storage
[03:37] <Newbiathon> those are my four partitions
[03:37] <SIR_Taco> you installed windows first or second?
[03:37] <Newbiathon> first
[03:37] <Fester77> @taco : http://paste.ubuntu.com/615159/
[03:38] <Newbiathon> i made a partition in   win7 to put kubuntu on
[03:41] <Newbiathon> i thought wine was for gnome
[03:41] <Newbiathon> is there a kde wine
[03:41] <Newbiathon> or is it for both?
[03:43] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: that's where the /etc/fstab comes in to play.... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[03:44] <SIR_Taco> Newbiathon: wine will work on Gnome/KDE/or any other desktop environment
[03:44] <MK``> I don't think WINE does anything but get the applications to run on Linux, I don't think it uses a toolkit
[03:44] <c2tarun> Newbiathon: I think wine works for both, kde and gnome'
[03:44] <MK``> Well yes it will work for both :) definitely
[03:45] <MK``> but I don't think it uses either, it is just its own thing completely
[03:45] <c2tarun> Newbiathon: and any gnome application must work on KDE as well, just with a cartoonish look :)
[03:45] <Newbiathon> ok
[03:45] <MK``> then difference between gnome, kde etc. is just the toolkit they use (visual style) and the philosophy used when developing the look and feel
[03:46] <MK``> the*
[03:46] <SIR_Taco> which KDE tries to fix with a GTK->Qt style.... and works well, mostly
[03:47] <MK``> I use GNOME, but I prefer some kde applications
[03:47] <SIR_Taco> like Kate :)
[03:47] <SIR_Taco> or K3b
[03:48] <MK``> Ktorrent is much better than Transmission
[03:48] <SIR_Taco> so can anyone with more expertise than me help Newbiathon with his boot problem? (now that some people are waking up)
[03:50] <Newbiathon> hehe oh god, i have to explain again.. no biggy
[03:50] <Newbiathon> heck, i might just grab what i need filewise and reinstall win7 if easier
[03:52] <SIR_Taco> ok... so Newbiathon has installed Kubuntu 11.04 (yes?) and Windows 7 wont show up in his grub menu
[03:52] <Newbiathon> yep
[03:53] <Fester77> @ taco : hmm i´ve open fstab with kate and added the lines but it wont let me save , prolly writeprotected i dunno
[03:54] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: if you're using kate then you need to use "Alt-F2" -> type:"kdesudo kate" -> type your root password -> open the file
[03:56] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: I always hear that for KDE applications we have to use kdesudo and not sudo, I just used kate with sudo and its also working, what is diff b/w kdesudo and sudo
[03:57] <Newbiathon> i was told that too c2tarun
[03:57] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: yes... depends on where you use the command
[04:00] <SIR_Taco> if you want to use a GUI program with root/administrative privilidges, then by all mean use kdesudo..... if you're doing command-line things like 'apt-get' if you use kdesudo, it will either error out or will give you no feedback
[04:03] <SIR_Taco> and everyone is suddenly very quiet.... where are you getting your info from?
[04:05] <Newbiathon> hehe i got that same info from this #
[04:05] <Newbiathon> from valorie i think
[04:05] <Newbiathon> on the whole kdesudo topic that is
[04:05] <Newbiathon> i understand what it is now
[04:06] <Newbiathon> kdesudo is for ui etc..
[04:06] <Newbiathon> and sudo is for terminal
[04:06] <SIR_Taco> exactly, and don't forget and/or misuse it lol
[04:07]  * Linkmaster once used an GUI application with 'sudo'...
[04:08] <SIR_Taco> there is a time and place for everything.... what you need to understand is that root can destroy your system if you're not careful.... that's why 'sudo' was created
[04:09] <Fester77> @taco kdesudo made editing possible ... adding to lines to fstab gave me some mount error during boot .... however adding them at the bottom of rclocal did the trick ... automount now on reboot .... thanks your help :D
[04:09] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: not a problem, glad I could help
[04:10] <SIR_Taco> maybe didn't help... just pointed you in the vague direction lol
[04:11] <Fester77> maybe there is something else.... ( of a zillion things)
[04:12] <Fester77> whenever i install something i have to enter a pass ... is there any way of disableing that/autotying it ...?
[04:13] <c2tarun> Fester77: my friend blogged once about a trick for this, let me get that for you
[04:13] <Fester77> seems a little silly since > I < am logged in the it should know its me
[04:13] <SIR_Taco> it's a security feature.... if you do it via command-line it will remember your root password for a time
[04:14] <Fester77> for a time?
[04:14] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: isn't it ~2 minutes?
[04:14] <c2tarun> for 15mins^^ or till you close terminal
[04:14] <c2tarun> Fester77: http://www.tricksfind.in/2011/05/remove-password-prompt-for-ubuntu.html
[04:14]  * Linkmaster now knows why it only lasts 2 minutes..he closes them out frequently
[04:15] <SIR_Taco> I have no idea how long
[04:15] <c2tarun> I read this waiting time somewhere.
[04:15]  * c2tarun guesses in ubuntu pocket guide
[04:16] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: better than my guess, so we'll go with that
[04:19] <c2tarun> Fester77: if you are making any changes in sudoers or anyother file, make its backup first
[04:19] <Fester77> hmm figures ... where is it located?
[04:20] <c2tarun> Fester77: /etc/sudoers
[04:20] <SIR_Taco> I really don't think that Fester77 is going to make changes to sudoers
[04:22] <SIR_Taco> and I really wouldn't recommend that to most
[04:22] <c2tarun> I too will never recommend that
[04:23] <c2tarun> there is an easy way. you can log into root account by sudo su, that way you have to enter password only  once.  O_O
[04:25] <c2tarun> from where comes vbox?
[04:25] <Fester77> from the sun
[04:25] <Fester77> yeah .... the sun made it
[04:25] <c2tarun> you are using kubuntu on a vbox?
[04:26] <Fester77> yup ... still too catious to go into it for real
[04:26] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: did you know that he is on vbox?
[04:26] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: yes I did... but still
[04:27] <c2tarun> hmm.... vbox is specifically good for experimentations. but still dont try to go againse SUDO :)
[04:27] <Sentynel> ookay, this is one hell of a weird problem. I use a Saitek Eclipse 2 keyboard. it has a button to change the keyboard backlight colour. for reasons that escape me, pressing this button is actually registered by the OS as ButtonPress and ButtonRelease events for random mouse buttons (it changes depending on the colour of the keyboard backlight)
[04:28] <SIR_Taco> look.... as much as it's virtualized... the mounts are still REAL..
[04:28] <Sentynel> mostly this isn't a problem, but the colour change to purple is interpreted as a right mouse click which also screws up KDE's window focus (it gets stuck)
[04:28] <Sentynel> anybody know what's going on or how to stop it?
[04:28] <SIR_Taco> you can ignore me, but just remember: I told you so
[04:29] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: what do you mean  by mounts are still real?? I think vbox uses some virtual space and just like chroot they are bound that they cann't use anything outside its space.
[04:29] <c2tarun> Fester77: dont ignore SIR_Taco... you try to get some more experience before editing such files
[04:30] <Fester77> tell me something .... when i did the visido command it open this nanoviewer (i think) .... again there was this ^n ^e for etc for navigating in the document shown in the termanil .... that ^ ... is that ctrl + n , ctrl +e etc ... cuz i tried various shift + n, alt and so on... could get none to respond so i had to quit the terminal
[04:30] <c2tarun> Fester77: try using kate in place of nano
[04:31] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: yes, the OS and it's space is virtual.... but if you mount a windows and/or linux partition within your 'virtual' os.... those mounts are real and changes you make to them are real.
[04:31]  * c2tarun my friend is a nano freak, specially after TATA launched nano ;)
[04:31] <SIR_Taco> ie: can be very dangerous
[04:31] <Fester77> that´s what i am cuz to me its just more straightforward but on the visido (not that im going to go thru with that userpassthingy) i could choose kate
[04:32] <Fester77> could not i mean¨
[04:33] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: oh.. I didn't know that. I thought that when we close our vbox it stores the changes somewhere in some diff format and on restarting it restores them from there. That new information :) thanks
[04:33] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: yes, that's true, for that file-system ONLY... not mounted filesystems
[04:34] <Fester77> oh its real alright ... i cant get guest to host clipboarding to work so i use a temp file on the host ... i e copy/paste clipboard to a file on host, then as i can access host filesystem i open that file on the host from within the guest to get the clipboard as a textfile
[04:35] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: I would never under any circumstance walk anyone through editing their /etc/sudoers file... ever
[04:35] <Fester77> so that virtual mount is a real mount ... much like a dosbox does ... i think it just a network resource ... not a "harddisk"
[04:35] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: absolutely
[04:36] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: actually while creating accounts in chroot, we have to edit our accounts to sudoers file :) so I did it before, and I thought it might not be that dangerous
[04:36] <Fester77> does linux have "failsafe" as windows?
[04:36] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: the only virtual part is the native file system of that virtual install.... everything else is real and binding... there is no going back
[04:37] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: I would not recommend it in general
[04:38] <SIR_Taco> Fester77: what do you mean by failsafe?
[04:38] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: than how can we add an account to sudoers file?
[04:38] <Fester77> im not sure what that last u where getting at taco .... im just thinking in terms of .... say i open a partitioning program from the host ... i dont think it be considering those mountpoint as harddrive space
[04:39] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: you can use the old-school user-add program :P
[04:40] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: that just create account but didn't add them to sudoers list
[04:40] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: can't use groupmod?
[04:41] <Fester77> well im off .... thanx for everything ... might check back some day ... cheers m8s
[04:41] <SIR_Taco> to late for that explaination I guess
[04:42] <c2tarun> hmm... I'll try sometime :)
[04:43] <SIR_Taco> anyway, arguement aside.... I wouldn't recommend any new-ish person to edit any file like that
[04:45] <SIR_Taco> one typo and they're done
[04:45] <c2tarun> yeah :)
[04:45] <c2tarun> that's why I always insist on creating backups
[04:46] <SIR_Taco> well... whatever works for you
[04:47] <valorie> glad y'all got that worked out
[04:47] <valorie> one would not use kdesudo in the cli
[04:48] <SIR_Taco> valorie: thanks for that :)
[04:48] <valorie> but kdesudo kate = good practice
[04:48]  * valorie runs off to the grocery store
[04:53] <JCSpresser> anybody know how to fix blackbuntu not seeing the wireless modem issue?
[04:54] <Firefishe> Is there a way to get the current version of kde -- 4.6.x -- working on Lucid?
[04:54] <c2tarun> yeah install it.
[04:55] <Firefishe> c2tarun: Is there a ppa or something?
[04:55] <c2tarun> Firefishe: yeah I am looking for that
[04:55] <c2tarun> Firefishe: ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[04:56] <Firefishe> c2tarun: Yes, but I've got Lucid 10.04 LTS.  Has someone backported the 4.6.x KDE tree for this ?
[04:56] <c2tarun> hmm.... we have to check that.
[04:56] <claydoh> Firefishe: you aren't going to get 4.6 into lucid easily into lucid, too many library changes that would probably break exisiting stuff
[04:57] <claydoh> plus no one went out and did it for lucid
[04:57] <c2tarun> claydoh: here ^^ you got the answer :)
[04:57] <claydoh> for the reason above
[04:57] <c2tarun> opps sorry that was for Firefishe
[04:57] <c2tarun> :(
[04:57] <SIR_Taco> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:57] <claydoh> heh
[04:57] <c2tarun> BTW what version does lucid have?
[04:58] <c2tarun> Firefishe: ^^
[04:58] <claydoh> 4.4.something, probably a 4,5 in a ppa
[04:58] <SIR_Taco> claydoh: that should be safe
[04:58] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Judging from the deb line, that's the backports repository for Natty Narwhal, correct?
[04:58] <SIR_Taco> Firefishe: yes it is
[04:59] <claydoh> now how would that be safe?
[04:59] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: he is on lucid
[04:59] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Are you saying, if I use that, I should be able to install 4.6.x on Lucid?
[04:59] <SIR_Taco> we'll just go back to ingoring me, lol
[04:59] <c2tarun> :)
[04:59] <claydoh> you could try manually adding maverick's 4.6 ppa repo and try that, but I think there would be some qt and other conflicts
[05:01] <claydoh> Firefishe: no, what sir taco posted  would pull in natty and replace lucid I do believe
[05:01] <SIR_Taco> no, I didn't realize that Firefishe was still on Lucid, so continue ignoring me
[05:01] <olskolirc> how can i set an html wallpaper on natty
[05:01] <Firefishe> SIR_Taco: Are you saying scratch the above?
[05:01] <claydoh> ignore who?
[05:01] <claydoh> heh we will not ignore you, why would we do that
[05:01] <SIR_Taco> claydoh: exactly :)
[05:01] <Firefishe> k
[05:02] <c2tarun> olskolirc: what is an html wallpaper?
[05:02] <claydoh> but Firefishe do try out a livecd of natty
[05:02] <claydoh> you may find it quite nice
[05:02] <Firefishe> claydoh: I guess I could do that.  I need to get a faster connection, though.
[05:02] <olskolirc> I want to make facebook my desktop wallpaper I don't like that widget
[05:03] <Firefishe> claydoh: What I'd really like to do is just set up a separate kde 4.6.x environment--say in /opt--and use that.
[05:03] <c2tarun> olskolirc: I dont think we can do that... SIR_Taco do u know anything about desktop wallpapers
[05:04] <c2tarun> *html
[05:04] <claydoh> kde iirc provide scripts to do just that
[05:04] <claydoh> Firefishe: ^^
[05:04] <claydoh> I just can't remember what they call it
[05:05] <claydoh> well it build it for  you
[05:05] <SIR_Taco> what do you want to know about wallpapers?
[05:05] <SIR_Taco> oh, I see...
[05:05] <Firefishe> claydoh: Yes, I'm looking that up now.  I remember it, but it's been hard to set it up.  I'm ready for a challenge, though.
[05:05] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: sorry HTML wallpepers
[05:05] <c2tarun> damnn... its a typo day for me
[05:07] <SIR_Taco> olskolirc: you can add the "facebook widget" to your desktop area.... or there's an web widget too
[05:07] <olskolirc> yeah im playing with it now SIR_Taco I'm not impressed
[05:08] <olskolirc> i gotta find a way to get it done i remember in previous versions of ubuntu we used to load html wallpapers
[05:08] <c2tarun> how??
[05:08] <SIR_Taco> olskolirc: you can use webslice or webbrowser too
[05:08] <olskolirc> how do I do that SIR_Taco
[05:09] <SIR_Taco> go to "add widgets" and select "webbrowser"
[05:11] <SIR_Taco> then you can resize it to whatever you want.... if you want it to be the whole screen, or half, or whatever
[05:13] <SIR_Taco> don't leave me in suspense... it's 32 degrees in here lol
[05:17] <Linkmaster> random fact about Linux: you have a LOT of libraries installed if you can grab a random file from the internet, run './configure' and it spends 30 minutes looking through everything, and does it without any issues.
[05:19] <Linkmaster> and just to add to that, you run the configure, then make, then sudo make install, correct?
[05:19] <SIR_Taco> random facts are best before midnight :)
[05:20] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: should be: ./configure; make; sudo make install
[05:20] <Linkmaster> just making sure I remember right. Some people say it should be 'make install' w/o sudo, and then some say it should be 'sudo make'[I learned that was NOT the right way]
[05:21] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: some are that simple... but most arn't
[05:21] <Linkmaster> Yep :P
[05:22] <Linkmaster> I love apt even more since I had an experience with dependency hell awhile back
[05:23] <SIR_Taco> try dependancy hell 10+ years ago... compiling a new Qt was a nightmare
[05:23] <Linkmaster> oh gosh, I've heard people say stuff about that
[05:23] <Linkmaster> Wasn't that back when there wasn't nearly as much uniformity?
[05:23] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: you are using linux since last 10 year? O_O
[05:24] <Deorum> Hey all...I'm a novice at working with Linux in general. I've done some stuff here and there and can work my way around but just did something I'd never done before and I'm a bit stuck. I can clarify the issue via PM if anyone is interested in helping out.
[05:24] <c2tarun> Deorum: clarify here in the channel :) its not a prob
[05:24] <SIR_Taco> I started with Slackware in '99..... yes.... not fun, but very interesting and I learned a lot
[05:24] <Deorum> Haha okay
[05:25] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: I'm thinking of going to slackware/arch as a side project. Just to learn more about Linux
[05:25] <Deorum> Well, just reformatted my lappy, and went ahead and created a partition for Kubuntu and installed it. Now uh, it goes straight to Kubuntu and I can't run any windows or linux discs...
[05:25] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: wow... salutes to SIR_Taco I am using linux since last 10 months :(
[05:26] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: lots to learn :)
[05:26] <Deorum> At this point I really just want to start anew and install Windows first, but it won't pick up the fact that there's a disc in there at all...
[05:27] <Sentynel> Deorum: you need to change the boot order in your BIOS
[05:27] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: one last thing..the INSTALL file on this says 'make install' should I run it as root anyways?
[05:27] <Deorum> Hmm
[05:27]  * Linkmaster knows that running as root can create issues
[05:27] <c2tarun> Sentynel: why boot order?
[05:28] <Deorum> I see no bios options whatsoever...it takes me straight into the Grub countdown
[05:28] <Deorum> Am I screwed? :<
[05:28] <Sentynel> Deorum: it'll be del or f12 or something as soon as it starts
[05:28] <Linkmaster> Deorum: no, just power it off, then power it on and prss F2 repeatedly
[05:28] <c2tarun> Deorum: have patience
[05:28] <Deorum> HAha
[05:28] <Deorum> Haha*
[05:28] <Deorum> Alright, one sec
[05:28] <Linkmaster> or F12...F2 is usually full BIOS specs though
[05:28] <c2tarun> Sentynel: what do you think is the problem? Why boot order?
[05:28] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: when you run "make" and you have no errors, the program is compiled and ready to go. You can run it from that directory/folder and should have no problems. IF it's a program that you trust, you and run "sudo make install" which will put it into your filesystem (ie: /usr/..... whatever)
[05:29] <Sentynel> c2tarun: it's not booting off CDs at all, therefore it's booting off the hard disk before checking the CD
[05:29] <Deorum> Oh man yesss. It didn't occur to me that it was F2, haha. I was bashing F8 and F12 this whole time
[05:29] <Deorum> Thanks, give me a sec.
[05:29] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: oh really? I learned something new..'make' pretty much makes the program usuable, and the 'sudo make install' makes it system-wide. is this accuraet?
[05:30] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: exactly
[05:30] <c2tarun> Sentynel: but he said that he installed kubuntu and Grub is not giving option for windows.
[05:30] <c2tarun> kubuntu and windows both are on HDD
[05:30] <Sentynel> c2tarun: he said he formatted it, and that linux or windows disks won't work
[05:30] <c2tarun> Sentynel: [09:55] <Deorum> Well, just reformatted my lappy, and went ahead and created a partition for Kubuntu and installed it. Now uh, it goes straight to Kubuntu and I can't run any windows or linux discs...
[05:31] <Deorum> Oh sweet. The Livecd is running again. I appreciate it!
[05:31] <Deorum> hahaha
[05:31] <c2tarun> "created a partition for kubuntu and installed it "
[05:31] <Deorum> I'll see if I can fix this now. Damn.
[05:31] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: so I could have Gimp 2.blah installed on my system... I can download gimp 5.amazing and save it to /home/whoever/gimp-amazing/ run ./configure and make and run it from that directory, and everyone else would be running Gimp-blah :)
[05:31] <c2tarun> Sentynel: I dont think this is going to help him starting windows, unless he knows how to update grub
[05:31] <Deorum> Like I said, I am still a newb haha.
[05:32] <Deorum> I've messed with the menu.lst, if that helps
[05:32] <Deorum> like, successfully.
[05:32] <Sentynel> c2tarun: if he's formatted it, windows ain't installed
[05:32] <Deorum> Right
[05:32] <Deorum> It's just Kubuntu on here at the moment
[05:32] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: but if you were to do the "sudo make install" part... then everyone would be running gimp-amazing
[05:32] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: sounds...nice! I like it. a good way to be sneaky[and to run programs without root priviledges..need to make sure if I have to lock someone up to not allow them access to a konsole]
[05:33] <c2tarun> Deorum: did you format your whole HDD or just one partition?
[05:33] <Deorum> The whole HDD
[05:33] <Deorum> I was meaning to reinstall Windows and Kubuntu
[05:34] <c2tarun> Deorum: damn... then how were you expecting and option for windows :)
[05:34] <Deorum> haha
[05:34] <Sentynel> Deorum: you shouldn't need to fiddle with grub, it'll detect windows automatically, but note that windows installing WILL overwrite GRUB
[05:34] <Deorum> I wasn't. I was just hoping I could boot the disc
[05:34] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: yes and no.... often you need to install libraries and programs to build it... so you would  still need root access
[05:34] <c2tarun> Deorum: and since you are a newbie and MS's boot is darn IDIOT :) I'll not suggest you to install win over kubuntu
[05:34] <Deorum> My only issue was it wasn't booting any discs
[05:34] <c2tarun> or win after kubuntu
[05:34] <Deorum> haha right
[05:34] <Deorum> I've always installed Windows first
[05:34] <Sentynel> Deorum: yeah, sensible. you can do it the other way around, though; you just need to fire up the linux livecd and run grub-install
[05:35] <Sentynel> after installing windows
[05:35] <Deorum> right
[05:35] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: would it be possible to move the 'make' file elsewhere? Say, I want to 'make' a whole bunch of stuff, and put it all in one folder...can that be done?
[05:35] <c2tarun> Sentynel: dont you think we have to mount the partition containing kubuntu on some location into live cd and then install grub in it?
[05:35] <Deorum> I appreciate the bumps in the right direction, thanks for not going all "RTFM" :)
[05:36] <Linkmaster> rtfm..?
[05:36]  * c2tarun hate manuals :(
[05:36] <c2tarun> Linkmaster: read the fu***ing manual :)
[05:36] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: make files are dependent on their programs.... essentially Make files tell the OS what libraries/programs it needs in order to compile successfully
[05:37] <Linkmaster> Ohh, hm. well, I'm learning new stuff, this is good :D
[05:37] <Sentynel> c2tarun: you need /boot on the disk mounted somewhere, but it doesn't matter how or where you put it, you just pass the location to grub-install
[05:38] <SIR_Taco> I would love to be sleeping right now.... but it's too hot, so you're stuck with me haha
[05:38] <Deorum> Yessss. Finally. It pulled up the Windows disc
[05:38] <Deorum> Yeesh
[05:38] <c2tarun> Deorum: do you understand the concept of mounting?
[05:38] <Deorum> Now I shall start fresh
[05:38] <Deorum> Sorta :P
[05:38] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: where are you from?
[05:38] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: so, you compile stuff from source, I know keeping the original tar.gz/bz2 files are suggested, what about the folders? Can I move them into their own folder of 'make-etc' so that it doesn't clog up a certain folder??
[05:39] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: Canada
[05:39] <Sentynel> Deorum: okay I'm going to bed, g'luck with getting windows to play nice
[05:39] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: Canada is also hot?? O_O I heard its very cold there throughout the year.
[05:40] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: with Kubuntu/Ubuntu I would stay away from source stuff if you can.... or run it locally (ie don't run sudo make install)
[05:40]  * Linkmaster has shifty eyes
[05:40] <Linkmaster> I already ran it as root, though it works just fine
[05:40] <SIR_Taco> c2tarun: yep, it's all polar bears and igloors lol
[05:41] <Linkmaster> I'm just wondering if I can quarentine the folder for future use if I ever want to 'sudo make uninstall' it
[05:41] <c2tarun> SIR_Taco: :)
[05:41] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: it's just a matter of down the road when you update, you'll have random files lying around.... not really a huge deal with the way harddrives are now, but still
[05:42] <Linkmaster> ah, okay. Though compiling from source is probably more recommended for slackware/arch?
[05:43] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: you need to realize that there wasn't a 'nice' package manager back then.... man I feel old lol
[05:43] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: call it wisdom!
[05:44] <SIR_Taco> you always ended up with orphaned files here and there... not a bid deal... most are all tiny (>1k)
[05:45] <SIR_Taco> er less than 1k, whatever, not a big deal now... was a big deal then
[05:46] <SIR_Taco> I remember compiling the kernel overnight on my Pentium-133.... lol
[06:23] <innominatum> Что творится?
[06:24] <Tm_T> !ru | innominatum
[08:16] <Guest20403> coming from ubuntu / gnome iam used to type in my passphrase for a key once, being able to reuse thise for the current session. With KDE i have to retype every time. Is there a way to change that?
[08:34] <fayaz_> EugenMayer: could you explain that a bit more?
[08:47] <thoeger> Hi folks; I have a problem that my time settings in KDE only allow me to select the UTC time zone, which is not the one I need. How can I add more options than just UTC?
[08:48] <thoeger> ...Might be worth mentioning that I am running KDE from an original Ubuntu GNOME/UNity install where I scrapped most of the software and installed the Kubuntu-desktop package through synaptic.
[09:00] <k0s> Hi!
[09:01] <k0s> люди ау
[09:13] <Newbiathon> yo
[09:13] <Newbiathon> how can i see .php files in my  home folder that i create
[09:13] <Newbiathon> in kubu
[09:25] <Newbiathon> hello?
[09:29] <Newbiathon> anyone up?
[09:29] <Newbiathon> where is SIR taco lol
[09:41] <Newbiathon> yo
[09:41] <Newbiathon> anyone awake yet?
[09:42] <Newbiathon> jeeeezzz
[09:42] <Newbiathon> yo
[09:44] <Tm_T> Newbiathon: yes?
[09:44] <fayaz_> Newbiathon: are you trying to execute the php files?
[09:51] <Newbiathon> yeah
[09:51] <Newbiathon> or even just see them in the folder
[09:51] <Newbiathon> i want to cut on my lamp and click my index.php
[09:51] <Newbiathon> which isn't saving or showing up
[09:51] <Newbiathon> imm using bluefish
[09:52] <ilias> hi all. well, well. i just came to 10.04 from 11.2 suse as i told yesterday. i have 2 problems. the first is that after booting the language flag in task bar is becoming pixelized. the same view has the icon of dolhin in tip above it when i pass the mouse over it in the task bar. the 2nd problem is that although the system saw my PixelView PlayTv-USB PRO (PAL) FM kdetv says no  devices found any hepl plz?
[09:52] <Newbiathon> if i name a file whatever.php and save it to /home/website/whatever.php
[09:53] <Newbiathon> why cant i browse to the folder and see the file
[09:53] <Newbiathon> if i make a folder i can see it
[09:53] <Newbiathon> but not files
[09:53] <Newbiathon> help!
[09:53] <fayaz_> what exactly did you name the file...
[09:53] <fayaz_> ?
[09:54] <Newbiathon> index.php
[09:55] <fayaz_> did you try refreshing the browser?
[09:55] <Newbiathon> yeah
[09:55] <Newbiathon> dolphin
[09:55] <Newbiathon> wtf
[09:55] <Newbiathon> driving me nuts
[09:58] <Newbiathon> i mean really... something this simple
[09:59] <Newbiathon> so far, linux is the most broken os ever
[10:02] <ilias> any idea?
[10:11] <fayaz_> Newbiathon: could it be that you're not creating the file at the location you're seeing?
[10:12] <Newbiathon> ok in blufish i do a save as/ then go to /home/user/website/file.php
[10:12] <Newbiathon> enough said
[10:13] <Newbiathon> it should be there when i browse to /home/user/website
[10:13] <Newbiathon> but.. it isn't
[10:20] <ilias> does anyone know why my language flag becomes "pixelized"?
[10:38] <ilias> anyone can help me to setup my usb tv card?
[10:41] <ilias> anyone does he know how can i setup bttv driver?
[10:57] <Newbiathon> ok is anyone awake who knows about kubuntu
[10:57] <Newbiathon> ?
[11:18] <c2tarun> I have two kubuntu's on my system, one maverick and one natty. I am not able to start my natty. System is freezing on kubuntu splash screen. :(
[12:33] <larsjaaa> Hi, Anyone else have login problems? I got a message from a friend, and found this was posted a couple of hours ago: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10884299
[12:37] <larsjaaa> libpam* packages was updated a short while ago, hope this Kubuntu 10.04 login problem is a local one..
[12:56] <sourav7mishra> Hi can some one please tell how to find the parameters for the cmake command, while compiling a software package..?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:11] <bbr> hola... quizas alguien pueda decirme un gestor de grub?
[13:11] <bbr> antes, en la version 9.1 tenia uno muy bueno pero no recuerdo cual era.
[13:12] <Pici> !es | bbr
[13:21] <Chronix> .-.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> :-:
[13:25] <Chronix> i wonder if i should go back on windows or stay on linux
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Chronix, , we can't make that decision for you , but in my experience windows has it's place , but Linux is definitely my choice due to it's versatility
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Chronix, what's your issue(s) ?
[13:28] <Chronix> well the doubt is made up because i want to program games in C++
[13:28] <Chronix> so thats why im wondering
[13:28] <Chronix> well i know SDL and opengl should be cross platform
[13:28] <Chronix> but im also new to linux so that kinda slows me down or maybe if i stay on here it will help me later on twice more
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Chronix, I know practically nothing about games or programming, but stick around , there's lots who do.
[13:35] <melkor> I cannot figure out how to make my desktop icons show up.
[13:38] <melkor> okay, folder view is almost what I want, but now I would like to make it use the Desktop folder.
[13:39] <BluesKaj> look in the kmenu/apps addto desktop or for folders., drag and drop , then choose icon view
[13:40] <melkor> thanks
[13:41] <BluesKaj> melkor, in the kmenu , right click for those options
[13:42] <se3n> hello there :)
[13:43] <the_p_> hi. i have a big prolem with kmail. it constantly freezes when i try to send an e-mail.
[14:16] <ogzy> i installed 10.04 from alternate cd with disk encryption, when i try to add a network printer from the web, the step never comes to the driver selecgtion part always looping between Connection and then Name, description entrance, any idea?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> add a network printer from the web,?  ogzy
[14:20] <ogzy> BluesKaj: by choosing AppSocket/Jet
[14:20] <ogzy> BluesKaj: then i enter socket:/ip_number:9100, then it asks me to give name and description but the next step never is driver choosing coming back to the connection entrance screen
[14:25] <BluesKaj> ogzy, where is this printer located ,on your LAN or is it on a remote network?
[14:30] <ogzy> BluesKaj: yes i added it from KDE PrinterManagement interface but from the web i couldnt managed to add
[14:37] <amichair_> how do I gracefully logout a local kde session when connecting remotely via ssh?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> ogzy, I'm not sure but justusing an IP address probly won't work , ssh into the printer port would be one method, but I haven't tried it
[14:38] <amichair_> i.e., is there a command that does a clean user logout from console?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> logout should work , amichair_ ...works here
[14:42] <BluesKaj> amichair_,  exit used to work until I install NFS server and client on the network
[14:43] <BluesKaj> er installed
[14:43] <amichair_> BluesKaj: when I type logout, it just writes a few lines and closes the ssh session, but the kde session stays on
[14:43] <BluesKaj> close the kde session first
[14:43] <amichair_> BluesKaj: I'm looking for a console command, that can be run from a remote ssh session, that will gracefully shutdown a kde session
[14:44] <amichair_> BluesKaj: what's the command to close a kde session?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> I just close whatever open folder or app I have running remotely as I would if it was on my desktop
[14:47] <BluesKaj> amichair_, are you X forwarding in ssh to use GUIs remotely?
[14:48] <amichair_> BluesKaj: no, just console ssh, no X over connection (the X is running on the target host only)
[14:49] <amichair_> BluesKaj: to be more precise, the screen is frozen on one pc, can't interact with it. But I can ssh from another pc and everything in the background seems to be ok - i.e. only the display (nvidia drivers?) are stuck. I want to gracefull shut the running session down rather than do a violent reboot and lose data.
[14:50] <melkor> amichair_: can you use ctrl+alt - f2, to change your tty ?
[14:50] <amichair_> nope, keyboard isn't responding either
[14:51] <amichair_> I just saw (via remote ssh) that X is taking 100% cpu
[14:51] <melkor> amichair_: you can 'shutdown' which will end your session pretty normally.
[14:51] <amichair_> so I want to kill it, but looking for the graceful way to do it rather than just kill it and all the running apps within
[14:51] <melkor> are you using kwin ?
[14:51] <amichair_> melkor: shutdown will shutdown the whole pc no? not just the user session?
[14:52] <amichair_> melkor: yep, standard kubuntu natty
[14:52] <melkor> mine locked up the other day, and I killed kwin then I was able to log out.
[14:52] <amichair_> melkor: if I kill X or kwin, what happens to all the apps which are open in the session?
[14:53] <melkor> well when you kill kwin nothing happens, but then your display is really bad.  If you kill x I think your applications will go down with it.
[14:54] <amichair_> melkor: ok, then I can try killing kwin
[14:54] <amichair_> for the record, what would be the right way of gracefully shutting down X?
[14:55] <melkor> do you know what rckdm is?
[14:56] <amichair_> melkor: ok, killed kwin, now I see a flicker on the screen every few minutes, but everything still stuck, and ssh session barely responding too
[14:56] <amichair_> every few seconds, that is
[14:56] <amichair_> rckdm? doesn't ring a bell
[14:57] <melkor> amichair_: it looks like you could use kdm but I don't know.
[14:58] <amichair_> melkor: but how do I kill X first? there must be something better than kill -9 or such (which will kill all apps under it violently too, if I understand correctly)
[14:58] <melkor> you should be able to go through an x service, such as start x or kdm.
[15:00] <amichair_> melkor: can you explain? I don't get how to do it
[15:00] <melkor> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=462370
[15:01] <melkor> amichair_: can you use the keyboard yet?
[15:01] <amichair_> no, the pc is completely unresonsive other than via ssh
[15:02] <amichair_> if I just kill X using 'kill' do the apps in the session close normally or get killed violently?
[15:03] <melkor> What is a violent death?
[15:03] <ilias> any idea how can i setup under 10.04 my Pixelview usb tv device?
[15:04] <amichair_> melkor: I mean just killing a process cold-turkey, rather than letting it do it's own clean shutdown routine
[15:04] <Henson_D> could someone help me verify a bug in dolphin's column view?
[15:04] <amichair_> melkor: like happens with kill -9 for example, as opposed to selecting 'quit' from an app's menu
[15:07] <melkor> You might want to try linux and ask about restarting an xserver, but at this point it sounds like your apps are going to die a miserable death.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> amichair_, how about kdm service stop
[15:09] <amichair_> BluesKaj: doesn't help
[15:10] <amichair_> oh well, I guess I'll have to kill -9 X and everything under it, hope nothing gets corrupt
[15:10] <BluesKaj> stopx?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> ilias, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/USBVision_devices
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Henson_D, columnview bug ?
[15:13] <amichair_> ok, I killed it all (with kill -9), starting session anew ok (hope nothing got corrupt)
[15:13] <amichair_> thanks
[15:13] <BluesKaj> stopx maybe , but you left
[15:14] <amichair_> BluesKaj: yeah, I see that now :-)
[15:14] <amichair_> will try it next time... thanks
[15:15] <amichair_> BluesKaj: although kill <x> didn't work either, so I don't know if it would work. only kill -9 <x> did it
[15:15] <Henson_D> BluesKaj: if you have a column with more icons in it than can fit on the screen (you have a scroll bar on the side of the column) and you click the last item that's visible on the screen, it will highlight the item after the one you wanted it to highlight.  It won't do this when you first enter the directory, but if you scroll around a little, then it will.
[15:15] <masese> hi guys, what program on ubuntu reads documents in microsoft publisher format?
[15:16] <Henson_D> BluesKaj: the item below the one you wanted will be highlighted in blue, but the item you wanted will have a little underline beneath it.
[15:17] <Henson_D> masese: I ran into this problem a month ago, and was unable to find anything.
[15:19] <masese> ooh dear, that means i can't read these files.
[15:19] <ilias> ok. i read it, but where is the driver?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Henson_D, I'm not seeing that here
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Henson_D, which kde ?
[15:19] <Henson_D> BluesKaj: what KDE version are you using?
[15:19] <masese> how do you read it?
[15:19] <Henson_D> BluesKaj: :-) 4.6.2
[15:19] <BluesKaj> <----4.6.3
[15:20] <Henson_D> BluesKaj: ok, thanks for your input.  I'll upgrade and see if the problem has been resolved.
[15:21] <ilias> i mean i went to the link provided but i cannot find any driver
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Henson_D, it's bit less stable if you use nondefault windows decor and themes
[15:21] <Henson_D> masese: I wasn't able to read the file.  Is the creator of the file able to save it in another format?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> on both 4.6.2. and3
[15:22] <Henson_D> BluesKaj: I'm using the standard themes, so I haven't noticed any problems.  Everything seems to work better than the 4.5.x versions for me.
[15:22] <masese> no he can't coz he is not using ubuntu
[15:40] <bakouchskii>  Saluu tout l'monde !
[15:42] <BluesKaj> bakouchskii, bonjour , c'est canal anglais. le canal francais - #ubuntu-fr
[15:44] <bakouchskii> Blueskaj,... ha d'accord! Je te remercie, Bonne journée a toi.
[16:10] <nikitis> hello
[16:29] <melkor> the expose is very nice, is there a shortcut for it?
[16:31] <EugenMayer> melkor: yeah, esp the "search"
[16:32] <flykillers> can anyone help me... E: Error http://archive.canonical.com natty InRelease
[16:32] <EugenMayer> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/444987-kde-4-5-active-screen-edges-keyboard-shortcuts.html
[16:32] <akis> can anyone help to setup my prolink usb tv device under 10.04?
[16:36] <Ddpbf> flykillers: what exactlly you want?
[16:36] <Ddpbf> *exactly
[16:57] <SeanTater> Out of curiosity, is there a way to lower the threshold before the OOM-killer starts killing off processes?
[16:58] <SeanTater> It seems silly to wait 10 minutes for it to fill up the swap really slowly when it could kill it off earlier
[17:11] <jebula> Hi, I've been trying to launch geany as a normal user and I get a segmentation fault. I can however launch it when I issue the sudo command prior. Any ideas or help is appreciated.
[17:12] <jebula> I have even tried to compile this from source myself and get the same result.
[17:13] <jebula> It crashes after trying to load the ~/.config/geany configurations
[17:13] <maco> jebula: try deleting that then
[17:13] <jebula> I have
[17:13] <jebula> It recreates it and then seg faults again
[17:14] <jebula> I have tried creating a new user and launching it same effect.
[17:15] <maco> sounds like a bug then
[17:15] <jebula> Would you be willing to install it and then let me know if you get the same result. I'm running 11.04
[17:16] <maco> im running 10.10
[17:16] <maco> they have different versions of geany
[17:16] <jebula> yeah hmm
[17:17] <jebula> think i could try to fallback to version from 10.10?
[18:02] <nicolino> hi there
[18:03] <eXistensL> is anyone awake!?!?
[18:03] <eXistensL> :D
[18:03] <Peace-> eXistensL: ?
[18:03] <eXistensL> can i ask a question regarding kubuntu?!?
[18:03] <akis> how can i setup kubuntu firewall?
[18:04] <Peace-> akis: easy there i amoduel
[18:04] <shane2peru> ok, kubuntu locked up when I tried to print a document!  That was annoying
[18:04] <Peace-> akis: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/easy-firewall-for-kde4-kubuntu/
[18:05] <akis> where can i find it. it is not in my menu.
[18:05] <Peace-> shane2peru: mm
[18:05] <eXistensL> ok, nevermind the etiquette, does anyone know where the themes downloaded via kdm-theme-changer (in system settings) are downloaded!?!?
[18:05] <shane2peru> Peace-: ubuntu in general has HP printer issues, or at least for the last few releases I'm always fighting with my HP 1022n Laser Printer
[18:05] <Peace-> shane2peru: you need to look at log
[18:05] <Peace-> shane2peru: noppe
[18:05] <Peace-> shane2peru: i have a hp
[18:06] <akis> is it in settings? why i didn't see it?
[18:06] <Peace-> no problem with hat
[18:06] <FloodBotK1> Peace-: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:06] <Peace-> akis: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/UFW+KControl+Module?content=137789
[18:06] <shane2peru> Peace-: xorg was up to 105% cpu usage, what log should I check?
[18:06] <Peace-> akis: you need to compile it it's easy
[18:06] <Peace-> shane2peru: what did you use? hp-toolbox?
[18:06] <Peace-> akis: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/easy-firewall-for-kde4-kubuntu/
[18:07] <shane2peru> Peace-: well my network printer has been problematic since probably Lucid, and on my wifes computer it prints without a problem I think sh is running Lucid.
[18:07] <Peace-> shane2peru: without some informations i can't help.
[18:07] <Peace-> shane2peru: did you use hp software?
[18:07] <eXistensL> akis: i remember using a program to setup firewalls but i'm struggling remember the name
[18:07] <akis> do i have just to give this command?
[18:07] <shane2peru> Peace-: I usually set it up the default ubuntu way, printers add printer, it is reconginzed and setup,  then it has problems, so I usually install the hp way via command line.
[18:08] <Peace-> shane2peru: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/easy-firewall-for-kde4-kubuntu/
[18:08] <Peace-> shane2peru: sorry
[18:08] <Peace-> shane2peru: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/31/plasma-desktopjO1748.jpg
[18:08] <eXistensL> akis: gotcha, "Firestarter"
[18:08] <Peace-> eXistensL: it's gtk
[18:09] <Peace-> eXistensL: it's not kde software
[18:09] <eXistensL> ...
[18:09] <Peace-> eXistensL: there is a kcm module for that
[18:09] <Peace-> .
[18:09] <akis> although firewall is not compiled runs behind the scenes?
[18:09] <eXistensL> i though was a generic question
[18:09] <Peace-> akis: btw fireware is already installed
[18:09] <Peace-> akis: you need only a interface
[18:09] <Peace-> to configure it
[18:09] <Peace-> stop
[18:10] <shane2peru> Peace-: what log should I check out, I just repeated the error
[18:10] <akis> ok, ic, if i dont configure it, it is protect it by default the whole system?
[18:10] <shane2peru> give me about 2min my system is super slow because of this lockup
[18:10] <Peace-> akis: you need to activate it
[18:10] <Peace-> shane2peru: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/31/plasma-desktopej1748.jpg
[18:11] <Peace-> akis: are you under router?
[18:11] <Peace-> akis: you have an private line?
[18:11] <akis> yes of course i am
[18:11] <eXistensL> ...
[18:12]  * Peace- he uses linux system since 4 years , he uses a router with a private lan and he doesn't use firewalls
[18:12] <Peace-> because the router has an integrate firewall
[18:12] <Peace-> like every routers
[18:12] <akis> routers have their own firewall, i know...but why not activate softaware's also?
[18:12] <eXistensL> still noone responded to "where i can find the files automatically downloaded via kdm-theme-manager (assuming they aren't in /usr/share/whatsoever-kde/kdm/themes" ?
[18:13] <Peace-> akis: you don't need
[18:13] <Peace-> !firewall
[18:13] <cousin_mario> Hello.
[18:13] <shane2peru> Peace-: oh yep, lots of udev-configure-printer
[18:13] <shane2peru> errors
[18:13] <cousin_mario> Is it possible to alter the behaviour of the mousewheel in Kaffeine?
[18:13] <Peace-> shane2peru: ok so ...
[18:14] <Peace-> shane2peru: please remove your printer
[18:14] <akis> or you think is nothing to win adding it?
[18:14] <shane2peru>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Queue ipp://localhost:631/printers/LaserJet1022n has matching device URI  that is the error
[18:14] <Peace-> shane2peru:  sudo apt-get install hplip-gui
[18:14] <Peace-> akis: look kid , i don't use a firewall since 4 year
[18:15] <Peace-> akis: and i have a router...
[18:15] <Peace-> no problems
[18:15] <shane2peru> hplip-gui installed
[18:15] <Peace-> shane2peru: ok
[18:15] <Peace-> shane2peru: hp-setup
[18:15] <shane2peru> Peace-: right, that was the command I used to setup the printer with
[18:16] <Peace-> shane2peru: oh ok
[18:16] <Peace-> shane2peru: then do the same stuff
[18:16] <Peace-> shane2peru: and then go here
[18:16] <shane2peru> you mean re-set it up?
[18:16] <Peace-> shane2peru: yes
[18:16] <Peace-> shane2peru: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/31/plasma-desktopAO1748.jpg
[18:17] <akis> i didn't have any problems too using for years suse distros. but i am new in kubuntu distros on my notebook and this is the reason i am wondering.
[18:17] <Peace-> shane2peru: then read this could work as not http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/hp-fucking-photosmart-7762/
[18:18] <Peace-> akis: wth , then , linux doesn't need of 2 firewall... if you are in a private lane with a router
[18:18] <Peace-> it's useless
[18:18] <shane2peru> Peace-: what is your desktop?  I see the k menu, but it isn't the kde menus?
[18:18] <Peace-> akis: btw there is a gui for that
[18:18] <Peace-> !firewall | akis
[18:19] <Peace-> shane2peru: ok it's shelf a part of lancelot
[18:19] <Peace-> shane2peru: you can find how to get it here automatically
[18:19] <Peace-> shane2peru: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/unity-kde-another-test/
[18:19] <Peace-> that is my blog of course
[18:19] <akis> ok, it's clear. thanks...could u maybe help me to setup my Prolink usb tv device to make it work with a tv program under 10.04?
[18:20] <shane2peru> hmm, I like my old fashioned k menu.  Just looked almost like unity in a k setting.
[18:20] <Peace-> akis: sudo apt-get install kaffeine
[18:20] <Peace-> akis: then try kafffeine
[18:20] <Peace-> should work for the most of usb tv device
[18:21] <akis> i installed kaffeine to play dvd's to, but i dont't think is enough. i think kaffeine plays only digital tv
[18:21] <Peace-> akis: lsusb | grep -i prolink
[18:22] <akis> why kdetv answers that "no device present although lsusb says it is?
[18:22] <akis> do i have to install any driver or the appropriate driver is pre-installed?
[18:23] <Peace-> akis: i have said
[18:23] <Peace-> akis: lsusb | grep -i prolink
[18:23] <Peace-> give me
[18:23] <Peace-> .
[18:24] <akis> ok. ok. i c. i am not on this machine now. i do have to understand so i can try tomorrow. what is about this command?
[18:25] <Peace-> akis: i need of ID
[18:27] <Daskreech> Peace-: Just checking did you make a KDE version of Unity in JS
[18:27] <akis> i 'll get it tomorrow 10 am GT and i 'll write it here. i wish i 'll meet you to help me.
[18:28] <akis> do u think there is a chance to fix it?
[18:28] <Peace-> Daskreech: i have modified the layout of panels to give it a touch of unity
[18:28] <Peace-> yes with javascript
[18:28] <Peace-> akis: of coruse there is
[18:28] <Peace-> akis: basically you need to run kaffeine on konsole
[18:28] <Peace-> and see what it says
[18:29] <Daskreech> Peace-: how long did that take>
[18:29] <Peace-> then i guess there is some stuff to do
[18:29] <Peace-> Daskreech: 10 minutes
[18:29] <Daskreech> wow
[18:29] <Daskreech> how close is it?
[18:29] <Peace-> Daskreech: i did the same for gnome2
[18:29] <Peace-> Daskreech: well it's not close
[18:29] <Peace-> it's "like"
[18:30] <Daskreech> I suppose  just the parts that you care about
[18:30] <Peace-> Daskreech: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/27/UNity.gif
[18:31] <Peace-> Daskreech: http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/macstyle2.jpeg
[18:31] <Daskreech> That's pretty nice :)
[18:31] <Peace-> Daskreech: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/kde-configure-panels-in-gnome-way-configure-kde-desktop-for-each-user/
[18:31] <Daskreech>  did you see the new Canonical mockup for the file explorer?
[18:31] <akis> ok. i will come back for this. something else for the end. i realised that language keyboard flag is getting sometimes 'pixelized'. The same is happening with the icons on the tips of minimized windows in task bar. do u have any idea why happens this?
[18:32] <Peace-> akis: bad video driver  i guess
[18:32] <Peace-> akis: try to use xrender instead of opegl
[18:33] <Peace-> akis: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/31/plasma-desktopKx1748.jpg
[18:33] <akis> i guess too that, but how can i fix it. the video driver was installed from the system during the installation.
[18:33] <akis> ook. i am reading.
[18:34] <Peace-> Daskreech: no i ahve not seen
[18:34] <akis> i have disabled desktops effects to make kde faster
[18:34] <Peace-> Daskreech: i use only their kernel
[18:34] <Peace-> xD
[18:34] <cousin_mario> Is there a PPA for KDE 4.7 yet?
[18:34] <Peace-> cousin_mario: i guess no
[18:34] <cousin_mario> :/
[18:34] <Peace-> cousin_mario: kde 4.7 it's beta.
[18:35] <Peace-> beta = not stable
[18:35] <cousin_mario> Peace-: good enough for a PPA though
[18:35] <Peace-> users shoudl use only stable stuff
[18:35] <cousin_mario> Peace-: I wanted to test it in a VM.
[18:35] <Peace-> ok
[18:35] <Peace-> that is a good idea
[18:36] <akis> a ok. i understood. does this change also the appearence?
[18:36] <cousin_mario> But I couldn't find packages for any distro, let alone ubuntu.
[18:36] <Peace-> akis: if you have not effects that modications = no effect
[18:36] <Peace-> akis: so .. ==> you have to change the driver
[18:37] <Peace-> because the video driver sucks
[18:37] <Peace-> cousin_mario: opensuse should have
[18:37] <Peace-> cousin_mario: ubuntu is slower
[18:37] <Peace-> a bit for kde...
[18:38] <akis> the change of driver isn't so easy though
[18:39] <Peace-> akis: video card?
[18:40] <Peace-> akis: it's easy... but.. you need to understand what your are doing...
[18:40] <akis> gforce but i dont remember the exact type. i am not on this machine
[18:41] <Peace-> nvidia righ?
[18:41] <akis> right
[18:41] <Peace-> there are 2 driver noveau = open
[18:41] <Peace-> then the proprietary one
[18:41] <Peace-> so if you want enalbe or disable it
[18:41] <Peace-> just do this on konsole
[18:41] <cousin_mario> Peace-: thanks, I'll have a look at it
[18:41] <Peace-> akis: jockey-kde
[18:42] <Peace-> that can enable or disable video drivers
[18:42] <Peace-> or of course there is the ppa
[18:42] <Peace-> but you can break the video stuff i mean xorg = konsole login
[18:42] <Peace-> and you could even be NOT able to run X so = konsole only :D
[18:44] <akis> you r very helpful. i save the log of this conversation and i ll try tomorrow. i wish i ll meet you tomorrow afternoon.
[18:44] <Peace-> akis: this is the ppa https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa BUT BE CARE
[18:44] <Peace-> akis: with that you can break Xorg
[18:45] <Peace-> so you nedd to remove the ppa and reinstall nvidia drivers
[18:45] <Peace-> so you nedd to remove the ppa [18:45] <Peace-> *need
[18:46] <Peace-> akis: adding ppa and removing the dirvers is not for noob
[18:46] <Peace-> make sure you have understood that
[18:46] <Peace-> ok i have to go , in italy it's time to eat something
[18:46] <Peace-> bye bye
[18:46] <akis> ok. thanks a lot.
[18:46] <akis> bye
[18:47] <akis> r u form italy?
[18:47] <akis> *from
[18:58] <cousin_mario> Right, in fact it's dinnertime for me as well!
[19:02] <Daskreech> Peace-: http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/marlin_file_browser_by_danrabbit-d2xxmmu.png
[19:15] <okku56> http://www.minecraft4free.com?id=1225349
[19:15] <okku56> plz any moreon e click
[19:16] <okku56> somybody go there
[19:17] <kaddi> lol, i almost reported that
[19:28] <armaan> hi
[19:28] <armaan> cn anybody tell me ,,where cn i find the source code of remastersys
[19:30] <Isis___> hello everyone, Im trying to get the desktop search running, i dont see it in the settings for layout. Which packages sould i install*?
[19:32] <Isis___> I have nepu ok but strigi is not running
[19:48] <Isis___> hello everyone, Im trying to get the desktop search running, i dont see it in the settings for layout. Which packages sould i install?
[20:01] <MaDiNfO_> hi
[20:02] <MaDiNfO_> i am using kubuntu
[20:02] <MaDiNfO_> 10.04.2 LTS and uses php 5.3.2
[20:03] <MaDiNfO_> it is going to be updated soon ?
[20:04] <Daskreech> MaDiNfO_: not in LTS
[20:04] <Daskreech> LTS gets bugfixes only
[20:04] <MaDiNfO_> that php version contains lots of bugs...
[20:05] <jjjjoe> gimp keeps crashing on my kubuntu 11.04
[20:05] <MaDiNfO_> 5.3.3
[20:05] <MaDiNfO_> gets them resolved....
[20:05] <jjjjoe> (gimp:4435): GLib-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.28.6/./glib/goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0
[20:05] <jjjjoe> [1]+  Segmentation fault      gimp
[20:05] <MaDiNfO_> aperantly
[20:05] <MaDiNfO_> or later
[20:06] <jjjjoe> Anyone else seeing this?
[20:06] <jjjjoe> Gimp just exits on load
[20:06] <jjjjoe> with error above
[20:09] <Ddpbf> jjjjoe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10788555
[20:11] <fester77> i got ubunto ... installed kde .... afterwards unistalled gnome ... that makes it Kubuntu right ? just to make sure im the right chat...
[20:12] <Ddpbf> fester77: it is same distro only difference is desktop environment
[20:12] <Ddpbf> kut kde is 1000 times better :)
[20:12] <fester77> anyway ... iǘe installed dosbox from the KpackageKit and now im interessted in locating the installation so i can edit dosbox.conf
[20:12] <fester77> tried searching for it but i get zip
[20:13] <fester77> being a windows user it just seemed more convinient
[20:13] <Ddpbf> ~/.dosboxrc
[20:14] <jjjjoe> fester77, Thanks so much!
[20:14] <fester77> from / ?
[20:14] <jjjjoe> fester77, =)
[20:16] <fester77> mkay .... dolphin is chewing thry the hdd atm .... hope uŕe right
[20:16] <Ddpbf> fester77: press alt+f2
[20:16] <fester77> when ?
[20:16] <Ddpbf> then type kate ~/.dosboxrc
[20:17] <Ddpbf> when little window pops up
[20:17] <Ddpbf> :)
[20:17] <Ddpbf> or dolphin ~/.doxbox
[20:17] <Ddpbf> and see if there is any file dosbox.conf
[20:18] <Ddpbf> or something simmilar
[20:18] <fester77> did that but it open kate .dosboxrc  without the ~/
[20:18] <Ddpbf> ok nepomuk and strigi found it
[20:18] <Ddpbf> :)
[20:19] <fester77> isńt there a "program files" that u can got to from / ?
[20:19] <Ddpbf> http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Dosbox.conf#Linux
[20:19] <Ddpbf> programms are installed in /usr/bin
[20:20] <Ddpbf> but linux (and unix) works pretty much different than windows
[20:20] <natman2> hi, im looking for some help with searching folders inside kubuntu
[20:22] <Ddpbf> natman2: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-apps/kfind/kfind.html
[20:26] <natman2> Ddpbf: thanks
[20:26] <Ddpbf> np
[20:26] <Ddpbf> :)
[20:29] <mbnoimi> where can I request to add new software in ubuntu repositories?
[20:29] <Pici> !newpackage
[20:31] <Ddpbf> mbnoimi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter= check if there is that package in launchpad
[20:32] <Sebas_> I'm having problems with installing Kubuntu 11.04 and a seagate 1TB hdd drive.. when the installer comes to prepare partitions.. I get an awkward screen and cannot continue the install.. what kind of bug is this? and I've googled some but cannot find anything like this prob.
[20:32] <mbnoimi> Ddpbf: nop, q7z doesn't exist
[20:32] <Sebas_> I've tried repartitioning and such but all the same
[20:33] <natman2> is it normal that java is very slow to load on my browser, it s a linux/64bit thing?
[20:40] <Daskreech> MaDiNfO_: you can probably add a PPA with a newer version
[20:42] <Daskreech> Sebas_: does parted show the HDD correctly?
[20:42] <Sebas_> Daskreech: yes and hdd is healthy
[20:43] <Sebas_> I can install win np on it
[20:43] <Sebas_> did many 11.04 installs and np
[20:43] <Daskreech> Sebas_: so just one of the times it randomly started crashing?
[20:44] <Sebas_> no with this hdd I cannot do the Disk Setup part of the installer
[20:45] <Sebas_> Daskreech: that event goes bad and get an different screen than usual with partitioning a hdd
[20:45] <Daskreech> Sebas_: can you run partitionmanager ?
[20:45] <Sebas_> sure
[20:48] <Newbiathon> yo
[20:48] <Newbiathon> anyone up?
[20:48] <Daskreech> Nope
[20:48] <Newbiathon> how come i cannot turn off my lamp server with "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop"
[20:49] <Daskreech> ...
[20:49] <Daskreech> cause that just turns off a ?
[20:49] <Newbiathon> and it is running under my computer name instead of local host <IP_ADDRESS> it is running on <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:50] <Newbiathon> how to turn off mysql etc...?
[20:53] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: /etc/init.d/mysqld stop
[20:57] <Ddpbf> Daskreech: you forget sudo
[20:57] <Newbiathon> that wasn't right
[20:57] <Newbiathon> Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
[20:57] <Newbiathon> utility, e.g. service mysql stop
[20:58] <Newbiathon> w/e that means
[20:58] <Ddpbf> Newbiathon: sudo service mysql stop
[20:58] <Newbiathon> stop: Unknown instance:
[20:59] <Ddpbf> lol
[20:59] <Ddpbf> try sudo/etc/init.d/mysqld stop
[20:59] <Ddpbf> *sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld stop
[21:00] <Newbiathon> sudo: /etc/init.d/mysqld: command not found
[21:00] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: sudo service mysql stop
[21:00] <Daskreech> wait
[21:00] <Newbiathon> stop: Unknown instance:
[21:00] <Daskreech> I think it might be sudo service stop mysql
[21:00] <Daskreech> I hardly use that command :)
[21:01] <Newbiathon> nah
[21:01] <Newbiathon> oh well server isn't running anymore
[21:01] <Newbiathon> apache2 is off now
[21:01] <DeltaEpsilon> is kubuntu going to provide kde 4.7 beta packages?
[21:01] <Newbiathon> i have dynamic ip so doesn't matter
[21:01] <Newbiathon> dsl
[21:02] <Ddpbf> DeltaEpsilon: check on kubuntu.org
[21:02] <Newbiathon> which kind of sucks for testing websites
[21:02] <DeltaEpsilon> Ddpbf, no news about kde 4.7 beta
[21:02] <Ddpbf> so there are not packages yet
[21:03] <Newbiathon> is there a good lamp help channel on any server?
[21:03] <DeltaEpsilon> Ddpbf, if you say "yet" that means there are going to be packges for kde 4.7 beta
[21:03] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: You can use a dyndns service or you can just check whatsmyip.com
[21:03] <Ddpbf> DeltaEpsilon: have you ever tought about installing arch linux they have 4.7 beta
[21:03] <Ddpbf> :)
[21:03] <Newbiathon> for what?
[21:04] <DeltaEpsilon> Ddpbf, I heard archlinux is pain in the ass to install
[21:04] <Ddpbf> err not realy
[21:04] <Ddpbf> you have to configure it by your self
[21:05] <DeltaEpsilon> Ddpbf, that is the pain in the ass part
[21:05] <Ddpbf> and install de by yourself
[21:05] <Ddpbf> kind off
[21:05] <Ddpbf> *of
[21:05] <DeltaEpsilon> I need a newbie distro
[21:05] <Ddpbf> kubuntu is best for you then
[21:06] <Ddpbf> there will be 4.7 packages in few days
[21:06] <Ddpbf> but you'll have to add ppa for it
[21:07] <DeltaEpsilon> k, then I am gonna install kubuntu to replace windows
[21:08] <Daskreech> DeltaEpsilon: why are you replacing windows?
[21:09] <DeltaEpsilon> Daskreech, I feel unsafe using it
[21:09] <Daskreech> Ah good enough reason
[21:09] <Daskreech> You can switch it for being unsure :)
[21:09] <Newbiathon> win 7 is pretty safe
[21:09] <DeltaEpsilon> other than that I don't have any problem with it. it is extrejely stable
[21:09] <Newbiathon> as long as you aren't running a server or something
[21:09] <Ddpbf> errr
[21:10] <Ddpbf> this is linux irc channel
[21:10] <Newbiathon> but linux is freeeeeeee
[21:10] <yofel> DeltaEpsilon: 4.7 is delayed, we'll try to get 4.7 beta2 packages at least
[21:10] <Newbiathon> i like linux better, when i can make things work lol
[21:10] <Ddpbf> yes but it is not windows
[21:10] <yofel> you can use Project Neon in the meanwhile ;)
[21:10] <Newbiathon> i like that linux has intelligent apps too
[21:11] <Newbiathon> comes with like math games and great tools for doing things
[21:11] <DeltaEpsilon> yofel, beta 2? so there aren't going to be beta 1 packages?
[21:11] <DeltaEpsilon> :(
[21:11] <DeltaEpsilon> Daskreech, and I am also seek of the theme of win 7. I can't change it
[21:11] <yofel> well, we simply won't make it before beta2, other things were more important and the 4.7 release layout is... argh
[21:12] <Ddpbf> yofel: kde 4.7 beta is released 6 days ago
[21:12] <yofel> I know
[21:12] <Ddpbf> so there wont be packages in kubuntu-ppa?
[21:12] <DeltaEpsilon> there won't be a beta 2 any time soon. so why no beta 1 packages?
[21:12] <DeltaEpsilon> :(
[21:12] <yofel> beta2 is due on the 8th
[21:13] <DeltaEpsilon> nice.
[21:13] <Ddpbf> DeltaEpsilon: there are complications with building packages
[21:13] <DeltaEpsilon> then I will just install kubutu amd64 tonight
[21:13] <yofel> erm, they split the sources up a lot so we'll have to redo many packages from scratch, that's not really trivial
[21:13] <sithlord48> sup all ?
[21:13] <Ddpbf> kind like 4.4->4.5 transition?
[21:14]  * DeltaEpsilon is going to make a backup
[21:15] <yofel> no, that was a bit of a splitup on the binary package side, this time we have a splitup of the source tars, which is a different category of more work
[21:15] <sithlord48> yea i was trying to make packages for a program i wrote, but it lacks a ./configure and i kinda loose it on the dependcy checking part (for my control file)
[21:16] <yofel> yeah, now do ~30 new packages :P
[21:16] <Ddpbf> sithlord48: if you want to compile kde packages you need to use cmake
[21:17] <sithlord48> Ddpbf:  no it a program i wrote and it does not use Cmake just qmake (as it generates a makefile for make)
[21:17] <yofel> well, if you don't use configure, add an empty override_dh_auto_configure: rule in rules and just make a simple makefile
[21:17] <Ddpbf> than it is pure qt
[21:18] <sithlord48> yofel: ill have to try that (but im not at that machine atm) so ill prolly ask later.
[21:18]  * yofel doesn't know much about packaging qmake :/
[21:18] <yofel> sithlord48: there's #ubuntu-packaging too, maybe someone there can help you
[21:18] <Ddpbf> there is nice tutorial on ubuntu help
[21:18] <sithlord48> qmake just generates  either a project file (for var IDE's) or a makefile for building via make
[21:19] <sithlord48> yofel: that ill have to check out (but idk if anyone wants to include my program w/ the distro)
[21:19] <Ddpbf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/QtApplication
[21:19] <yofel> well, start with a PPA, then you can use revu to get your package reviewed
[21:20] <Ddpbf> yofel: you are making kde .deb packages?
[21:21] <Ddpbf> *are you. Sorry i am bad with english
[21:21] <sithlord48> idk how many *buntu users play FF7 ? its just an editor for savegames,but  a ppa is not a bad idea lol
[21:21] <yofel> Ddpbf: I'm a packager yes, no dev though.
[21:21]  * yofel thinks of firefox7 when he hears FF7 ^^
[21:22] <DeltaEpsilon> gonna install kubutu now
[21:22] <sithlord48> yofel:  lol
[21:22] <DeltaEpsilon> wish me luck please
[21:22] <Ddpbf> yofel: i am trying to make .deb package for qtfm. Only dependency for it is Qt
[21:22] <sithlord48> DeltaEpsilon: GL :D
[21:22] <Ddpbf> but i dnt need what to put in debian/control
[21:22] <DeltaEpsilon> though I know my laptop is fully supported by kubuntu
[21:22] <DeltaEpsilon> :D
[21:23] <DeltaEpsilon> sleep/hybernate also works
[21:23] <DeltaEpsilon> w00t
[21:23] <DeltaEpsilon> reboot
[21:23] <yofel> Ddpbf: as build dep libqt4-dev for qt, got the rest of the file?
[21:23] <sithlord48> Ddpbf: my program depends only on Qt also that quide shoudl help. and exactly my problem what do i put in control for dependcies
[21:23] <Ddpbf> yofel: i ll paste it
[21:24] <sithlord48> how amazingly relevent this conversation is , and i was just expecting to help ppl (not be helped)
[21:24] <Daskreech> yofel: what's the delay with the first beta?
[21:24] <sithlord48> Daskreech: teh packaging is a bit different from what i have read
[21:24] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: That's not really what I would call intelligent Apps but ok :) I understand the sentiment
[21:24] <dmatt> hello, anybody has problem running gimp in kubuntu natty? Mine crashes with segmentation fault ... but works with sudo
[21:24] <yofel> Daskreech: we had to resync our packaging with debian, they had server issues which delayed it further. So we're almost done with the debian merge and will start with 4.7
[21:24] <Ddpbf> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/76903/
[21:25] <Ddpbf> what to put in depends?
[21:25] <Newbiathon> true
[21:25] <Newbiathon> that came out wrong
[21:25] <Newbiathon> useful apps
[21:25] <Ddpbf> i guess libqt4-core, libqt4-dbus
[21:25] <Ddpbf> and libqt4-network?
[21:25] <Newbiathon> i like linux because it is minus all the junk marketing software
[21:25] <sithlord48> dmatt: check you configs for gimp prolly an issue w/ ur user's config. should be in ~/.gimp<version>
[21:26] <yofel> no, ${shlibs:Depends} will take care of the library dependencies as long as you have the build-deps
[21:26] <Daskreech> Ddpbf: most of the time You are... ? and are you... ? can be changed
[21:26] <yofel> so the Depends: line is complete unless you need something extra
[21:26] <sithlord48> yofel: what if i wanted to start w/ a binary ?
[21:27] <dmatt> sithlord48:  .gimp<whatever> does not exist
[21:27] <dmatt> hm
[21:27] <yofel> sithlord48: That is the correct control file for a binary package
[21:27] <Ddpbf> Daskreech: i dont se why somebody need to know what is my profession?
[21:28] <Ddpbf> i did not wrote it i am just building .deb of it
[21:28] <Newbiathon> which flash player is for kubuntu? the tar.gz?
[21:28] <sithlord48> Newbiathon: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer <- that one
[21:28] <Newbiathon> k
[21:29] <sithlord48> try to use the repos first, that software is tested. you will almost never have to install anything outside of a repo
[21:30] <sithlord48> dmatt:  should be /home/<ur user name>/.gimp<version>
[21:30] <sithlord48> but woot work day over ttu later!
[21:31] <Daskreech> Ddpbf: no. It's because you corrected yourself earlier and excused your english. I was just saying that it was correct english before you corrected it
[21:32] <Daskreech> though it is much more often expressed how you said it when you corrected yourself
[21:32] <Ddpbf> ok. sorry
[21:32] <Ddpbf> i tought you are talking about
[21:32] <Ddpbf> my control file
[21:32] <Daskreech> Ddpbf: Nope that's fine :)
[21:34] <dmatt> i do understand, ~/.gimp<x> simply does not exist...
[21:40] <yofel> dmatt: curious, does this return something? env | grep QT_GRAPH
[21:41] <dmatt> yofel: i got the solution now
[21:42] <yofel> :)
[21:42] <dmatt> just fore the record, if gimp segfaults, look into workaround described here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1745341
[21:42] <dmatt> i would have never guessed that
[21:43] <dmatt> known bug #742516
[21:43] <Newbiathon> hey my flash player in firefox is jacked up
[21:43] <Newbiathon> can't play youtube vids
[21:43] <Newbiathon> it is saying "You need to upgrade your Adobe Flash Player to watch this video. "
[21:44] <Newbiathon> i click the link and takes me to flash site
[21:44] <Newbiathon> im on 64-bit
[21:44] <Githzerai> Ddpbf: try this
[21:44] <Newbiathon> there are several options to download
[21:44] <Githzerai> Ddpbf: ldd /usr/bin/qtfm
[21:44] <Linkmaster> Newbiathon: go to KPK, and download the flashplugin-installer
[21:45] <Newbiathon> what should i type in the search in kpk?
[21:46] <Newbiathon> i already tried to do it the command line way, didn't work
[21:46] <Newbiathon> it is saying i already have it
[21:46] <Newbiathon> weird
[21:47] <Newbiathon> help
[21:48] <Githzerai> Newbiathon: which version of flash do you have?
[21:48] <Githzerai> cdc
[21:48] <Newbiathon> where do i check
[21:48] <Newbiathon> doesn't say there
[21:49] <Newbiathon> how do i update it or whatnot
[21:49] <Newbiathon> i think it is flash 9
[21:49] <Githzerai> go to Tools -> Addons -> Plugins in Firefox
[21:50] <Newbiathon> i don't see flash in there
[21:50] <Githzerai> There should be an info on Shockwave Flash, version included
[21:50] <Newbiathon> but kpk says installed
[21:50] <Githzerai> restart Firefox
[21:51] <Linkmaster> If that doesn't work, uninstall flash, then reinstall it. Or use rekonq :P
[21:52] <Newbiathon> still no dice
[21:52] <Newbiathon> jeez
[21:53] <Githzerai> Newbiathon: means that Flash is not properly installed
[21:54] <Githzerai> Newbiathon: try reinstalling: sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[21:55] <Newbiathon> didn't work
[21:55] <Newbiathon> i updated and upgraded too
[21:55] <Githzerai> any output?
[21:56] <Githzerai> after  sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[21:56] <Newbiathon> is there a command to just reinstall firefox
[21:56] <Delta_> install of kubuntu was a piece of cake
[21:56] <Delta_> everything works out of the box
[21:56] <Githzerai> Newbiathon: won't help
[21:56] <Githzerai> this is a flsh issue
[21:59] <Newbiathon> durn
[21:59] <Newbiathon> still not working
[21:59] <Githzerai> Newbiathon: have you tried flash package from Canonnical partner repo?
[21:59] <Newbiathon> no
[21:59] <Githzerai> try it :)
[22:00] <Newbiathon> what is it?
[22:00] <DarkwingDuck> ** Changed in: openoffice.org (openSUSE) Importance: Unknown => Medium
[22:00] <Newbiathon> i don't even know what that means lol
[22:00] <DarkwingDuck> Oops, sorry
[22:01] <Githzerai> Newbiathon: got to softvare sources. Should be in second or third tab
[22:02] <DeltaEpsilon> kubuntu running fine so far
[22:02] <DeltaEpsilon> but I want kde 4.7 so badly
[22:03] <Githzerai> Newbiathon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SoftwareSources-Partner.png should be simirar
[22:05] <Githzerai> DeltaEpsilon: it actally is not that different compared to 4.6. There are a few new cool things, but in general it feels almost the same.
[22:06] <Linkmaster> It's probably the feel of bleeding edge. I'd like 4.7 myself
[22:06] <DeltaEpsilon> Githzerai: I read that kwin has immproved performance
[22:06] <DeltaEpsilon> that is very important to me
[22:06] <Githzerai> DeltaEpsilon: only if drivers are good, and currently they are nothing but trouble. Especially nvidia.
[22:07] <DeltaEpsilon> Githzerai: I have intel HD
[22:08] <Githzerai> Many users complain about Intel too. They say that it can be unpleasant.
[22:08] <Githzerai> Though, betas usually can be like that
[22:08] <Githzerai> :)
[22:09] <DeltaEpsilon> Githzerai: soe times the UI lags, this is version 46.3
[22:09] <DeltaEpsilon> 4.6.3
[22:10]  * Linkmaster has noticed few issues with KWin and his intel stuff
[22:11] <Linkmaster> except for the fact that I run my computer off of less then 1gig of RAM. that sucks :l
[22:11] <DeltaEpsilon> RAM is not a problem. RAM is cheap and can be upgraded easily
[22:11] <Githzerai> DeltaEpsilon: "UI lags" is a not much of an info for debugging. :) No, it really can be almost anything
[22:11] <DeltaEpsilon> you can't upgrade a gfx card in a laptop
[22:11] <DeltaEpsilon> :\
[22:11] <DeltaEpsilon> I recently upgrade my laptop's memmory to 6GB :-)
[22:12] <DeltaEpsilon> Githzerai: the effects are not smooth
[22:12] <DeltaEpsilon> especially when dealing a window with a lot of content
[22:12] <DeltaEpsilon> e.g. a webbrowser
[22:12] <Githzerai> DeltaEpsilon: all of them, or just some?
[22:12] <DeltaEpsilon> Githzerai: ^^
[22:14] <Githzerai> Hm, I'm not familiar with tha effect. Do you mean webbrowser applet?
[22:15] <DeltaEpsilon> Githzerai: no. take for example. the unminimize effect of the webbrowser window with a webpage open
[22:16] <DeltaEpsilon> the transistion from the task bar to the display of the window is not smooth
[22:16] <Githzerai> only web browser or any window?
[22:16] <Githzerai> and which browser ? :)
[22:18] <DeltaEpsilon> Githzerai: any window with a lot of content
[22:18] <DeltaEpsilon> Quassel is another example
[22:20] <Linkmaster> DeltaEpsilon: RAM might be cheap, but if you have a netbook as your only computer, its definitely not upgradable
[22:21] <DeltaEpsilon> Linkmaster: I am sure netbooks support up to 4GB these days
[22:21] <Linkmaster> Majority of netbooks support 2GB. Mine is two years old :/
[22:22] <Linkmaster> The only netbook I know of that supports 4GB isn't really a 'netbook'[since its almost twice as large as any netbook I've seen at my school]
[22:22] <Githzerai> DeltaEpsilon: any other effect you have issues with, or only that one? I belive that one is called "Fade"...
[22:23] <DeltaEpsilon> my perfect laptop woudl be a a 15" super slim laptop w/o dvd drive, with at least 15 hours bat life, 8GB of ram and 128GB SSD drive. :-)
[22:23] <DeltaEpsilon> and a nice gfx that can run kde 4 silk smooth
[22:23] <DeltaEpsilon> Githzerai: only that one
[22:23] <DeltaEpsilon> transparency is flawless
[22:23] <Linkmaster> That would be a great laptop
[22:24] <DeltaEpsilon> blur is also perfect
[22:24] <Linkmaster> Because DVD drives cause them to get bulky. Just tote along an externel CD-drive, and your good to go
[22:24] <DeltaEpsilon> Linkmaster: yea and most of us don't use dvd's any more
[22:24] <Githzerai> DeltaEpsilon: that could be related only to that particular effect, not to kwin in general.
[22:24] <DeltaEpsilon> I now install the os from my usb stick
[22:24] <Linkmaster> Except at home; computers don't need em much anymore
[22:25] <stiwy> Hello, have anyone same problem as me? If I try to move terminal window on the top of screen to maximize window, system just freze and I need to restart computer. KDE 4.6 This happen only with terminal window
[22:25] <Daskreech> stiwy: Nvidia card?
[22:25] <Githzerai> stiwy: nvidia
[22:25] <stiwy> yep
[22:25] <Linkmaster> true, installing from USB is more efficient too. Once your done, wipe it, and you have a perfectly functional data storage. need it again, move the data, create an OS again
[22:26] <Githzerai> stiwy: nvidia-beta 275.09 should fix it
[22:27] <stiwy> Githzerai thanks, Im gonna test it :-)
[22:29] <DeltaEpsilon> time to customize kde to my liking
[22:36] <DeltaEpsilon> I am sleepy but I still need to install 20gb of software :(
[22:39] <Githzerai> DeltaEpsilon: than go to sleep while downloading :)
[22:45] <stiwy> Githzerai: Thanks a lot, new nvidia beta drivers solved my problem :-)
[22:50]  * Githz|away ošo: Odsutan za sada
[22:58] <Newbiathon> yo, if i want to make a file index.php in /home/user/website folder how do i do it?
[22:58] <Newbiathon> to test a webpage
[22:58] <Newbiathon> i only see create new folder when i right click
[23:00] <luis_> hola
[23:00] <luis_> una pregunta
[23:00] <luis_> ¿alguien sabe de dónde puede provenir una ip 2.137.xx.xxx?
[23:00] <luis_> join #ubuntu
[23:01] <Ddpbf> luis: #ubuntu-es
[23:01] <luis_> uys
[23:01] <luis_> gracias :-)
[23:01] <luis_> #ubuntu-es
[23:01] <luis_> join #ubuntu-es
[23:02] <Ddpbf> luis: /join ;)
[23:02] <DeltaEpsilon> http://imageshack.us/f/192/snapshot1vb.png/ :-)
[23:03] <m_tadeu> hi...what criteria should I use to choose the compositing type from system settings->Desktop effects?
[23:04] <Ddpbf> m_tadeu: it depends of capabilities of your gpu
[23:04] <Ddpbf> :)
[23:05] <m_tadeu> Ddpbf: I see...is xrender "lighter" for the supported effects?
[23:05] <luis_> thanks
[23:06] <Ddpbf> m_tadeu: try cube
[23:24] <Newbiathon> yo
[23:25] <Newbiathon> how do i make a .php file in my home/user/ folder?
[23:27] <Newbiathon> yo if i want to make a .php file in my /home/user folder how do i do it?
[23:27] <Newbiathon> do i need superuser privs?
[23:27] <Newbiathon> when i right click in the folder i only see create new folder
[23:28] <Alvyren> Newbiathon: is "text file" not under "new folder"?
[23:28] <Alvyren> should be a whole slew of things
[23:28] <Alvyren> (I'm assuming you're using Dolphin)
[23:28] <Newbiathon> yes
[23:29] <Newbiathon> dolphin
[23:30] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: No
[23:30] <Newbiathon> i need to make a php file for a website
[23:30] <Newbiathon> can you tell me what im doing wrong?
[23:30] <Daskreech> Nothing under your home folder should need root privis
[23:31] <Newbiathon> i make a file in bluefish called index.php and save as to /home/$user/website
[23:31] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: Create New -> Text File
[23:31] <Newbiathon> when i nav to the folder it isn't there
[23:31] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: there is a ~/website folder ?
[23:31] <Newbiathon> with what prog? sorry new to linus
[23:31] <Newbiathon> linux*
[23:31] <Newbiathon> one that i made yes
[23:32] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: and nothing is in it?
[23:32] <Newbiathon> nope
[23:33] <Newbiathon> but when i go to bluefish and file/open/ i see it in the folder
[23:33] <Newbiathon> and can open it in the editor
[23:33] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: ha ok press F5 in Dolphin
[23:33] <Newbiathon> but when i go kmenu/computer/home/user/website
[23:34] <Newbiathon> i dont
[23:34] <Newbiathon> f5 didn't do anything
[23:34] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: strange
[23:34] <Newbiathon> im on 64-bit sys if matters
[23:36] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: were you trying to get him a terminal in Dolphin?
[23:37] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: No he made a file in bluefish which he can see in bluefish but cannot see in Dolphin
[23:37] <Linkmaster> Ah, okay
[23:39] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: as a test open kate and navigate to the same spot
[23:41] <Newbiathon> k
[23:41] <AlexZion> hi guys , i have some problem to watch .mp4 streaming video on firefox, maybe I just broke some dependencies , whichoneshould be the default player to integrate with firefox !?!
[23:41] <Newbiathon> yup i see it in kate
[23:46] <Newbiathon> so i just have to use kate each time?
[23:47] <xnet> Hello
[23:47] <xnet> all
[23:53] <wintellect> Got kubuntu running on my aceraspireone - but I want the standard KDE desktop, not this "page one" version. What do I have to do to get the standard KDE?
[23:55] <Linkmaster> wintellect: your probably using a laptop/netbook. go to 'system settings -> workspace behavoir[the big cashew] -> workspace type' and switch from netbook to desktop. You can invoke system settings with 'alt+f2'
[23:55] <Newbiathon> where do you set up alias in quassel
[23:55] <Newbiathon> to make macros for nickserv and all
[23:56] <wintellect> Linkmaster, ok, trying now...
[23:57] <wintellect> Linkmaster, AWESOME - that worked. Thanks
[23:57] <wintellect> Linkmaster++
[23:58] <Linkmaster> No problem wintellect
[23:59] <wintellect> nice to know KDE supports such an option
[23:59] <wintellect> but the standard desktop suits me perfectly :D
[23:59] <Daskreech> Newbiathon: No just checking if the file exists