[13:18] <dkessel> hellooo quality!
[13:29] <flocculant> :)
[13:34] <davmor2> hello
[13:36] <flocculant> hi davmor2
[13:46] <balloons> Hi hi hi
[13:47] <flocculant> hi balloons - ready for another day of it I hope :p
[16:12] <elopio> balloons: oops, I missed the session. Watching the video now.
[16:12] <balloons> elopio, no worries
[16:14] <balloons> elopio, if you don't want to watch 30 mins, read the pad
[16:14] <balloons> Everything I said is more or less in there


[16:28] <kdub> tmux is great
[23:19] <nhaines> kdub: and screen, too.  Try byobu for super powers.
[23:22] <blitz> bring your own beer understand?
[23:34] <pleia2> you can now get byobu t-shirts!


[04:13] <Unit193> pitti: Howdy.
[04:18] <pitti> bdmurray, slangasek: FYI, I did an RTM grep for lsb_release/lsb-release/os-release usage in http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/rtm-archive-grep-lsb_release/
[04:19] <pitti> Good morning
[07:50] <zyga> pitti: congratulations on cludified adt, this is a major achievement!
[07:51] <pitti> zyga: thanks! it's very rewarding to finally see it working :)
[07:52] <zyga> pitti: do you have nova at home or were you using a public provider?
[07:53] <pitti> zyga: I tested on Canonical Bootstack
[07:54] <zyga> bootstack?
[07:54] <zyga> how many *stacks do we have/
[07:59] <pitti> zyga: too many :)
[08:00] <pitti> zyga: I've heard of {Canoni,Prod,Boot,Dev}Stack, there's probably more
[08:00] <pitti> zyga: a few months ago I've tested it on HP cloud, but I don't have credentials any more
[08:03] <StevenK> pitti: ScalingStack
[08:06] <pitti> StevenK: ah, of course
[08:30] <LocutusOfBorg1> sil2100, lucene++ accepted in debian/unstable
[09:34] <cjwatson> pitti: speaking of adt, do you have an idea how long it takes for ci.debian.net to pick up new Testsuite: autopkgtest packages?
[09:35] <cjwatson> pitti: I'm itching to see openssh results there to make sure they match my local ones :)
[09:35] <pitti> cjwatson: it's supposed to do a full run every day, but I often found there's a two day delay until it catches up with new versions or packagess
[09:35] <cjwatson> righto
[09:36] <pitti> cjwatson: ci.d.n uses the schroot runner, so if it works for you locally the chance is quite high that it'll work there
[09:37] <pitti> cjwatson: that's not yet in Ubuntu, right? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-openssh
[09:37] <cjwatson> right, about to file an FFe for it
[09:39] <cjwatson> pitti: oh, I have "Restrictions: isolation-container" - is it possible that ci.d.n will just skip it then?
[09:39] <pitti> cjwatson: yes, it will
[09:39] <cjwatson> bah, right
[09:40] <pitti> cjwatson: I hope for ci.d.n we can move to a cloud-based runner, now that that stuff works; after all, ci.d.n is already running on EC2
[09:40] <cjwatson> let me know if you think that's wrong?  the regression tests have to start sshd on a high port
[09:40] <cjwatson> which by my reading is isolation-container
[09:40] <pitti> I'll talk to Antonio soon, I'd like to test this on EC2 and adjust the setup script if necessary
[09:40] <pitti> cjwatson: why wouldn't that work in a schroot?
[09:41] <cjwatson> pitti: well, README.package-tests says "isolation-container: The test wants to start services or open network TCP ports"
[09:41] <pitti> cjwatson: as a rule of thumb, I found that pretty much every test which isn't "needs-root" can be made to work in schroot
[09:41] <cjwatson> it's also needs-root :-)
[09:41] <cjwatson> that was unclear actually, strictly, it just needs unpassworded sudo
[09:42] <pitti> cjwatson: so if it wants to open port 22, that will obviously not work in schroot as the openssh package already claims that (and the host itself, too)
[09:42] <cjwatson> right, it's not trying to use port 22 indeed
[09:42] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, I wrote that as most developers and schroots have a policy-rc.d
[09:42] <pitti> ci.d.n's doesn't, so services from postinst actually do start up
[09:42] <cjwatson> so does isolation-container really just mean wants to start services on their default ports?
[09:43] <pitti> (that's not very robust of course, but meh, it seems Antonio manages to keep it running :) )
[09:43] <pitti> cjwatson: at least in a container that's guaranteed to work, while in schroot it's between "depends on the config", and "may work or not depending on what's running on the host"
[09:44] <cjwatson> yeah it'll break if somebody's opened port 4242 for something else
[09:44] <pitti> cjwatson: but anyway, I've long lobbied for moving away from schroot in ci.d.n production; I'll talk to Antonio soon, we now have several better alternatives
[09:44] <cjwatson> but, well, I guess I can try
[09:45] <pitti> I wrote a debci LXC backend not too long ago, unfortunately Debian's LXC packages kind of suck
[09:45] <pitti> I guess that's why it's not being used widely yet
[10:24] <sunweaver>  as the maintainer of MATE in Debian, I would love to support  flexiondotorg with pushing MATE into Ubuntu and make UMR happen.
[10:24] <sunweaver> hi!
[10:24] <sunweaver> so my question is: what does it need for a DD to become a Ubuntu developer (i.e. gain upload rights to the archive / universe area of the archive)?
[10:28] <mlankhorst> see ubuntu motu documentation :P
[10:29] <doko> Sweetshark, seb128: thanks for the libixion upload, however it is still incomplete: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libixion/+bug/1349859
[10:29] <mlankhorst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess
[10:35] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^ what doko wrote on that bug
[11:11] <Riddell> anyone know why this ubiquity test fails? (caused by casper upload) https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-ubiquity/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/
[11:11] <Riddell> it says "adt-run [10:04:29]: ERROR: unexpected error: test dependencies are unsatisfiable"
[11:11] <Riddell> but I don't know how to see what is unsatisfiable
[11:14] <cjwatson> it would be very helpful if autopkgtest were more verbose about that ...
[11:14] <cjwatson> pitti: ^- can you help?
[11:16] <Riddell> cjwatson, pitti: ubiquity test depends on universe packages oem-config-kde oem-config-remaster, might that be the issue?
[11:17] <cjwatson> not in itself
[11:47] <pitti> looking
[11:47] <pitti> cjwatson, Riddell: well, there's the whole apt problem solver debugging output there, it's just quite hard to read
[11:48] <pitti> some libwebkitgtk arch desync, or some binNEWing going on or so?
[11:49] <pitti> if there's some better way to tell apt "please tell me what's wrong so that a human can understand" I'm all ears
[11:50] <pitti> ah, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkitgtk/2.4.6-1ubuntu1/+build/6449387 just finished 30 mins ago, while amd64 finished muhc earlier
[11:50] <cjwatson> oh maybe the problem is that the apt problem resolver output is way up there compared to the final error from autopkgtest
[11:50] <pitti> I bet it was just hte usual temporary uninstallability from mismatching arch:all
[11:50] <cjwatson> not obvious to go and look for it
[11:51] <pitti> yeah, I know; it's all just a single apt-get install call, not sure if the ordering can be influenced
[11:51] <pitti> I'll give it another 20 mins or so for publishing and then retry
[12:22] <pitti> mvo: hm, so the unattended-upgrades test regression that holds back the new apt is quite persistant, I'm afraid (https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-unattended-upgrades/38/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console)
[12:22] <pitti> it always works on i386 and always fails on amd64
[12:23] <pitti> that smells like i386 and amd64 being out of sync in building or binNEWing, but I don't see anything relevant in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue?queue_state=0
[12:23] <pitti> and apparently it's not due to the new webkit-gtk
[12:23] <pitti> that caused uninstallability with ubiquity, but that's fixed now
[12:23] <pitti> cjwatson, Riddell ^ FTR
[12:27] <pitti> cjwatson, bdmurray: I'm looking into bug 1365079
[12:27] <pitti> cjwatson: for mapping an exe path to a click, would this be suitable:
[12:27] <pitti> - parse all root= from /etc/click/databases/*.conf
[12:27] <pitti> - check if the exe path starts with any of those root dirs
[12:28] <pitti> - if not → discard, not packaged
[12:28] <cjwatson> pitti: click pkgdir PATH
[12:28] <cjwatson> pitti: or in fact probably click info PATH
[12:28] <pitti> cjwatson: oh splendid -- much easier, thanks!
[12:29] <pitti> cjwatson: right, click info $exepath, and taking nae and version from it is what I'm after
[12:29] <cjwatson> pitti: you'll either get non-zero exit (and exception junk on stderr) or zero exit + json output
[12:29] <pitti> ack, so in fact implementing this is quite simple, the test case will be much more work :)
[12:29] <cjwatson> heh
[12:30] <cjwatson> in fact this interface is mentioned in the bug description ;-)
[12:31] <pitti> cjwatson: ah indeed; reading helps *brown paperbag*  TGIF!
[12:38] <Riddell> pitti: is there a handy retry button somewhere?
[12:38] <pitti> Riddell: yes, on http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/ ; but for that you need the company VPN :/
[12:38] <pitti> (we're working hard on gutting Jenkins and the entire current setup, though)
[12:39] <pitti> Riddell: so I guess the button for now is "pitti, jibel: please retry <src> tests"
[12:39] <pitti> Riddell: but I'm watching all failures anyway and retry ones like ubiquity
[12:40] <Riddell> lovely
[12:42] <mvo> pitti: hm, thanks! I have a look (once this image build is finished that I'm currently testing)
[12:55] <linoge> Hi there, I want to customize ubiquity in order to install another debian based distro (Canaima GNU/Linux) from it. Is that possible?
[13:14] <ejat> anyone can help with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/8532798/
[13:26] <shadeslayer> mhall119: whom do I bug about the email that you get when you submit a CDA :P
[13:26] <shadeslayer> . If your application is approved, we contact you.
[13:26] <shadeslayer> grammatically incorrect ^^
[13:28] <cjwatson> well, inelegant anyway ...
[13:33] <flexiondotorg> I have a merge I want to propose a merge for lp:ubuntu/indicator-application-gtk2
[13:33] <flexiondotorg> But LP says "This branch is not mergeable into lp:ubuntu/indicator-application-gtk2." when I try and submit the proposal.
[13:34] <flexiondotorg> How should I go about submitting my merge? Raise a bug and attach a patch?
[14:06] <seb128> hum
[14:07] <seb128> cjwatson, that cinnamon-menus, "Install typelib files in multiarch libdir" ... I though we didn't start that transition for utopic?
[14:07] <cjwatson> oh hmm
[14:07] <seb128> our gir doesn't support multiarch afaik
[14:07] <cjwatson> sorry I assumed that was so obviously excellent we must have done
[14:08] <seb128> well, it was late and still had issue
[14:08] <cjwatson> it seems to ftbfs so I guess we can just leave it
[14:08] <seb128> k
[14:08] <cjwatson> however it'll be an issue for the pile of mate syncs in the queue, probably
[14:08] <cjwatson> *sponsoring queue
[14:08] <seb128> let me have a look to those
[14:09] <cjwatson> I already synced mate-panel so I'll keep an eye on it and see if it needs to be fixed up.  there were other problems
[14:09] <seb128> k
[14:09] <cjwatson> the gir change will make some cross-building/cross-installing changes a lot easier once it does land
[14:10] <seb128> indeed
[14:10] <seb128> mvo wanted it this cycle
[14:11] <seb128> but it was late and still having a bunch of issue in Debian, I think Laney decided it was too much work/too late and preferred to delay to next cycle
[14:11] <cjwatson> ok, reverting that bit of the mate-panel sync for now
[14:12] <cjwatson> keeping the new upstream though
[14:12] <cjwatson> thanks for keeping an eye on that
[14:13] <seb128> yw!
[14:31] <mhall119> shadeslayer: CDA?
[14:34] <Riddell> tseliot: ping?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> mhall119: Community Donation Application
[14:35] <mhall119> ah, that would be msm I think
[14:38] <Riddell> tseliot: can we have sddm added to nvidia-prime's alternative depends?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> mhall119: ack :)
[14:40] <Sweetshark> bye Sweet5hark.
[14:41] <Riddell> tseliot: I just uploaded it to utopic
[14:50] <tseliot> Riddell: ok but I don't think it will actually support Nvidia optimus systems
[14:51] <Riddell> tseliot: why not?
[14:52] <tseliot> Riddell: does it allow to run scripts when X is stopped or launched?
[14:54] <Riddell> tseliot: it runs scripts in Xsession.d if that's what you mean?
[14:56] <tseliot> Riddell: no, I mean exactly what I said. This is the equivalent config file for lightdm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8533397/
[14:56] <tseliot> Riddell: display-setup-script and display-stopped-script are the relevant fields
[14:57] <Riddell> tseliot: hmm are you able to join #kubuntu-devel to discuss?
[14:57] <tseliot> Riddell: sure but I have a conference call in 3 minutes
[15:44] <Riddell> mvo_: app-install-data due to be updated before RC?
[16:05] <seb128> is there a standard dh/rules variable for "srcdir"?
[16:09] <rbasak> seb128: make's $(CURDIR)?
[16:09] <rbasak> Or else, I'm not sure I understand the question.
[16:09] <seb128> rbasak, if building out of the srcdir, is CURDIR pointing to the source dir or the build dir?
[16:10] <seb128> that rules has
[16:10] <seb128> 	dh $@ --with click,translations --fail-missing -- -B build
[16:10] <seb128> e.G "-B build"
[16:10] <seb128> and I want to copy something from build/... back to the srcdir
[16:13] <rbasak> seb128: I think CURDIR points to the top level. So $(CURDIR)/debian/rules should find the right file, for example.
[16:13] <rbasak> I don't know about click, though.
[16:13] <seb128> rbasak, thanks
[16:13] <seb128> that's a deb
[16:13] <rbasak> (I'm not entirely sure)
[16:14] <rbasak> Though the cwd (pwd output) should also be the same as $(CURDIR), unless you've changed it.
[16:14] <rbasak> So just in debian/rules, "cp build/foo ./" should also work.
[16:16] <seb128> rbasak, no, I've having an override on a dh_ helper, and it's running from the "build" directory (the one specified with -B)
[16:17] <rbasak> seb128: -B to what command?
[16:17] <seb128>   dh $@ --with click,translations --fail-missing -- -B build
[16:17] <seb128> dh -- -B build
[16:17] <seb128> to dh
[16:17] <seb128> that makes dh_ subcommand be run from build/
[16:18] <rbasak> Ah, I'm not familiar with that.
[16:18] <rbasak> Though if debhelper is changing it in response to that call, you might still have $(CURDIR) set. I'm not sure if make exports that or not.
[16:18] <seb128> I'm going to try
[16:19] <seb128> but using ../<dir> works
[16:19] <seb128> and turns out in fact I don't even need to copy that file after all, the binarymangler is smart enough to handle the pot being in build/
[16:19] <seb128> but I wanted to know the answer for next time anyway ;-)
[16:19] <rbasak> :)
[16:19] <seb128> rbasak, thanks for the help!
[16:19] <rbasak> np
[16:50] <goodwill> ppetraki: ping
[17:22] <ppetraki> goodwill, pong
[17:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> sil2100, for your information, is it ok if I upload on debian a new lucene++ with this fix?
[17:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://github.com/luceneplusplus/LucenePlusPlus/pull/76/files
[17:28] <LocutusOfBorg1> it should fix hurd and kfreebsd build failures
[17:35] <slangasek> smoser: so did geser's pointer to bug #994931 help?  and does it suggest any workarounds (e.g., setting the desired use_tempaddr value before bringing up the interface?)
[17:35] <slangasek> smoser: fwiw I'm not able to reproduce this problem on a utopic kernel by changing the value of use_tempaddr on my running interface
[17:46] <smoser> slangasek, well, no . it dos not suggest work arounds.
[17:47] <smoser> slangasek, you are changing use_tempaddr.all ?
[17:49] <goodwill> ppetraki: is there any sense of multipathing netboot will be addressed in 12.04? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1004243
[17:50] <ppetraki> goodwill, nice comment ;)
[17:52] <adam_g> !regression-alert
[17:52] <adam_g> bug #1379201 breaks openvswitch dkms update on precise
[17:54] <ppetraki> goodwill, unless someone picks it up, I don't think so. you might be able to convince hallyn to take a look
[17:54] <ppetraki> goodwill, come to think of it, you don't really need to be on a mp system to debug this, just a vm with the right switches. It looks like the udeb is built wrong.
[17:55] <adam_g> hallyn, jamespage ^ zul assigned it to himself but i dont know the status.
[17:55] <zul> adam_g:  will look at it
[18:08] <SpamapS> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1378658 .. seen this bug? It was just recently reported by one of our developers. It sounds like something you might understand. :)
[18:22] <ScottK> zul: Are you taking care of 1379201?
[18:23] <zul> ScottK:  yes im working on it
[18:23] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[19:04] <smoser> bug 1379201
[19:05] <smoser> slangasek, it does indeed appear that utopic does the right thing.
[19:06] <smoser> so i expect that both bugs then are fix-released in utopic
[19:09] <slangasek> smoser: aha - so it does come down to the kernel bug with use_tempaddr?
[19:10] <slangasek> smoser: and does pushing the same value to use_tempaddr have any effect?  i.e., if we had it pre-set before ifupdown ran, would that work around it?
[19:12] <geser> I did some tests with my trusty vm yesterday and used sysctl to change the value and "ip addr show" to show the ipv6 address
[19:12] <geser> changing the value flushed the address but re-running the same command didn't
[19:13] <slangasek> right, cool
[19:14] <ari-tczew> hello
[19:14] <geser> you can "play" with this during runtime, just assign an ipv6 address and the change the use_tempaddr to see your address gone
[19:16] <ari-tczew> There is a one sync request with following change:  debian/gir1.2-mate-menu.install: + Install typelib file into the multiarch libdir. (Closes: #763243). Would it seem to need a FFe request?
[19:16] <smoser> geser, yeah.. .but i dont know why my 'pre-up' command then didn't fix it.
[19:16] <smoser> oh. i do know why now.
[19:17] <smoser> funny. because yesterday i didn't realize that cloud-images have
[19:17] <smoser>  /etc/sysctl.d/99-cloudimg-ipv6.conf
[19:17] <smoser> which sets those 2 values to '2'.
[19:18] <smoser> err.. that sets it to zero.
[19:18] <smoser> hm..
[19:18] <geser> '2' == 0?
[19:18] <smoser> so yeah, the 'pre-up' would have set the values to '2' if that file existed.  then, they'd get reset to '2' and then to '0'.
[19:19] <smoser> so in a cloud image right now, we first set them to 2 (enabled) and then milliseconds later set them to 0.
[19:19] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/1068756
[19:20] <slangasek> hee
[19:20] <geser> so your pre-up sets it to 2, ip sets the address and then procps (started by upstart) processes the other sysctl files and sets it back to 0, flushing your ipv6 address?
[19:21] <smoser> well, the pre-up was setting to 2. the ip set the address. then procps setting to '2' again per 10-ipv6-privacy.conf. then setting to '0' per 99-cloudimg-ipv6.conf.
[19:22] <smoser> and its the 2 -> 0 change in that case that was killing the addresses.
[19:22] <smoser> i just verified on utopic you can flip values back and forth to your whim and not destroy addresses.
[19:23] <smoser> so as such, i'm going to mark bug 994931 as 'fix-released'
[19:23] <smoser> in utopic.
[19:29] <smoser> slangasek, or geser you know why procps-instance.conf is
[19:29] <smoser> start on virtual-filesystems or static-network-up
[19:29] <smoser> why the "or static-network-up". it would seem that on a normal boot that is going to run more than once.
[19:31] <slangasek> smoser: yes, we run it more than once because it's not possible to apply the sysctl settings to network devices before those devices are available
[19:31] <smoser> oh. because some of the settings have some.value.$IFNAME.value
[19:31] <smoser> ?
[19:31] <slangasek> so we run it once as early as possible to apply the settings that we can, then run it a second time after the network is up
[19:31] <slangasek> yep
[19:32] <slangasek> ideally there would be a way to apply these settings in-line with each interface bring-up
[19:32] <slangasek> but /etc/sysctl.conf doesn't lend itself to this
[19:32] <slangasek> not sure if systemd has tried to solve this problem
[19:33] <smoser> well, sed -n "/.$INTERFACE./p" /etc/sysctl.d/* | sysctl -p -f -
[19:34] <slangasek> yeah, horrible layering violation ;)
[19:48] <goodwill> ppetraki: well its a magical land :)
[19:54] <goodwill> ppetraki: so should I ping hallyn ?
[19:54] <goodwill> ppetraki: I am trying to debug it and get to the cause ... but its twisted one
[20:03] <ppetraki> goodwill, yeah, he's good
[20:03] <ppetraki> goodwill, so a quick search is showing no udeb for multipath
[20:04] <goodwill> ppetraki: where are you searching?
[20:04] <goodwill> hallyn: ping
[20:06] <dx> hey #ubuntu-devel! do packages in universe have to go through the same SRU process as packages in main?
[20:12] <geser> dx: yes
[20:17] <cjwatson> SpamapS: don't have a lot of time just now, sorry.  is it reproducible in qemu?
[20:31] <slangasek> ev, bdmurray: is https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d7b8b576c9b773cd5d822e833534e98fba85e30d == bug #1345569 ?
[21:27] <ahoneybun> mhall119, still need track leads?
[21:32] <mhall119> I haven't started recruiting them yet, but yes
[21:46] <ahoneybun> oh ok just let me know
[21:46] <bdmurray> slangasek: yeah, that looks the same to me
[21:50] <bdmurray> slangasek: this is the error associated with the bug - https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/share/apport/recoverable_problem%3AValueError%3Aadd_proc_info%3A/usr/share/apport/recoverable_problem%4070%3Amain%3Aadd_proc_info
[23:09] <slangasek> bdmurray: so should we reopen bug #1345569, given that this crash is being reported against apport 2.14.7-0ubuntu5?
[23:13] <slangasek> bdmurray: (presuming yes and reopening with comment)
[23:35] <xnox> slangasek: right, i think sudo's pam config is incorrect. I'll submit patch to security for review, but it's too late for utopic, will wait for Tasty Topi
[23:35] <slangasek> those are the wrong letters
[23:35] <slangasek> you mean Very Tasty Velociraptor
[23:39] <xnox> oh yeah.
[23:39] <xnox> we should pull an android and drop the code name and just call it: V for Vendetta
[23:41] <xnox> slangasek: please remove btrfs-tools from utopic-proposed.
[23:42] <xnox> FFe bug didn't get approved and it's stuck in NEW, and I'd rather make a new point release upload and make it hit the queue properly
[23:42] <xnox> stuck in proposed that is, blocked by tag.
[23:43] <xnox> or i guess it doesn't matter if i have a proper on in the unapproved queue.
[23:43] <slangasek> xnox: ok.  I guess you don't think it would be preferred to approve the FFe at this point?
[23:44] <slangasek> fwiw that FFe bug is a bit sparse on justification
[23:44] <xnox> slangasek: oh, i'd love for the FFe approved, it's just i'll have 3.16.2 to upload now. So i'd want FFe approval against 3.16.2.
[23:44] <xnox> slangasek: justification is that it slipped my radar whilst employed, and ideally btrfs bug-fixes should match the kernel release =))
[23:49] <slangasek> xnox: right, ideally they would, but ideally this would be figured out before freeze
[23:49] <slangasek> xnox: and I don't think that ideal is sufficient justification for an FFe
[23:51] <slangasek> xnox: so if that's all you've got then yes, I'll remove it from -proposed ;)


[00:01] <Linuxica> In #xfce don't want help me because I told them I'm using xubuntu, them sent me here...
[00:04] <Linuxica> is there any Xubuntu guru here?
[00:06] <Linuxica> leche, do you speak Spanish?
[00:06] <leche> un poco ;-)
[00:06] <Linuxica> has encontrado alguna vez ayuda en este canal?
[00:06] <leche> but not enough, just started...
[00:06] <leche> wait, this will take a while
[00:06] <Linuxica> don't worry ;)
[00:07] <leche> que significa encotrado?
[00:07] <Linuxica> found help in this channel
[00:07] <Linuxica> I've never found any
[00:07] <leche> hmm, yes, one time i found help
[00:07] <Linuxica> :)
[00:08] <leche> whats your problem?
[00:08] <leche> i usually dont read alot here...
[00:08] <Linuxica> I made an update to gutsy, it was an error
[00:09] <Linuxica> udev HAL thunar, don't work properly
[00:09] <leche> hmm, did you remove all "system relevant packages?
[00:09] <leche> uh, thats bad...
[00:09] <Linuxica> I made it wit update manager
[00:10] <leche> it worked for me... i did it twice and no problems
[00:10] <Linuxica> It was not the first time I did something like that
[00:10] <Linuxica> the time before every thing was ok
[00:11] <Linuxica> but this time no icons at the desktop when I plug a removable device
[00:11] <leche> this could be just a preference
[00:11] <leche> but im new to xfce....
[00:11] <Linuxica> my thunar is not compiled with HAK support
[00:11] <Linuxica> that's the message
[00:12] <leche> HAK?
[00:12] <Linuxica> HAL
[00:12] <leche> i think theres an extra package for thunar
[00:12] <leche> if you want the file management
[00:12] <leche> ehm
[00:12] <Linuxica> Yes I have it
[00:12] <leche> not file management, drive management
[00:13] <Linuxica> the problem now is that i can't remove thunar to recompile without remove xface
[00:13] <leche> thunar-volman or thunar-volman-plugin
[00:13] <Linuxica> no from synaptic
[00:14] <Linuxica> yes i have thar
[00:14] <Linuxica> that
[00:14] <leche> why cant you remove it?
[00:14] <Linuxica> because synaptic tells me it has to remove xfce too
[00:15] <Linuxica> I can try from a terminal but i wanted to ask for som advice here
[00:15] <soldats> i dont think it will actually remove xfce if you remove thunar, if you still want t ouse thunar just reinstall it
[00:16] <Linuxica> I made it already
[00:16] <Linuxica> but it still has not support for HAL
[00:16] <leche> i think its possible
[00:17] <leche> well, a reinstall is done in 30 min if all fails...
[00:17] <leche> ;-)
[00:17] <Linuxica> a xubuntu reinstall?
[00:18] <Linuxica> or an xfce?
[00:18] <soldats> xubuntu
[00:18] <Linuxica> hmm... from the CD?
[00:18] <Linuxica> fix the system?
[00:18] <Linuxica> that way?
[00:19] <leche> its not the ubuntu way i know
[00:20] <Linuxica> sorry I don't understand.
[00:21] <Linuxica> a new installation?
[00:21] <Linuxica> format the HD, etc?
[00:22] <Linuxica> Thank for the help :)
[00:23] <Linuxica> I¡ll try with apt-get first, if that fails, I'll re-install the xubuntu.
[00:23] <Linuxica> bye
[00:23] <Linuxica> :)
[00:23] <leche> bye
[00:26] <zoredache> I have a tricky question...  You know when the kernel is booting you provide it a root device (ie root=/dev/sda1).  Can you give point the kernel to boot to use a subfolder, via chroot, on that device?
[00:49] <mikubuntu> on google earth i keep getting a message to update my graphic  card driver.  on this page in the ubuntu docs, it says to look into the restricted drivers, but the only thing listed in my restricted drivers folder is hal ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=482611   anybody know how i might update ati rage mobility driver?
[00:57] <soldats> !ati
[00:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:57] <soldats> err
[00:57] <soldats> !ati > mikubuntu
[00:58] <mikubuntu> ty
[00:58] <soldats> np
[01:15] <Name141> How would I setup a dual boot with windows xp
[01:15] <soldats> !dualboot
[01:15] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[01:16] <jkonami> hey guys - is it normal for the installer/live cd (7.10) to boot into a shell prompt when you choose to install?
[01:18] <Name141> soldats: I see that Xubuntu will try to repartition my HD itself, rather than I need to partition it myself ?
[01:18] <Name141> like in the 'old days' ?
[01:18] <Name141> Installing windows first, then the linux, etc..
[01:19] <soldats> yes
[01:20] <soldats> ypou need to partition it yourself i think
[01:20] <Name141> ok, I have the dell resource parition also I don't need deleted
[01:23] <soldats> well if you read through those pages it should tell you how to do it, i believe you need to install winblows and when you do the linux partition it will partition it for you, or you can partition it yourself with gparted or another tool
[01:27] <jkonami> I'm downloading the alternatve install cd, though I'm still not sure why I'm dropped off at a prompt for the regular install cd - if anyone has a comment about that, it might be helpful :)
[01:28] <soldats> if it goes to a prompt type install
[01:33] <jkonami> It's just the first install option on the list.
[02:13] <graelb> Hi there
[02:14] <graelb> Does anyone know of a program that does the same thing that winscp does for linux?
[02:16] <haxality> hi
[02:16] <haxality> I'm running eeeXubuntu on my Asus eee, and seeing as how there is practically no place for support of it specifically, I came here to ask my question
[02:17] <haxality> basically, I want to bind a script to be run as root to 2 of the hotkeys on the keyboard
[02:17] <haxality> I have no idea how to do so
[02:17] <haxality> mainly because of the root-ness
[02:17] <haxality> anyone know what to do?
[02:39] <Catoptromancy> = (
[02:39] <Catoptromancy> how long does it take to install update-manager-core
[02:39] <Catoptromancy> seems like it freezes there everytime
[02:45] <Catoptromancy> excellent
[02:45] <Catoptromancy> fastest ubuntu ever
[02:45] <Catoptromancy> xubuntu alt installer in, console
[02:45] <Catoptromancy> apt-get twm
[02:46] <Catoptromancy> ill call it tubuntu!
[02:46] <Catoptromancy> no gtk or kde
[02:46] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:47] <soldats> what win manager is twm
[02:47] <Catoptromancy> I call it tiny window manager
[02:47] <Catoptromancy> basic to the extreme
[02:47] <Catoptromancy> but it runs all apps
[02:47] <soldats> is it real
[02:48] <Catoptromancy> yes
[02:48] <Catoptromancy> i run it on freebsd
[02:49] <soldats> cool is there a home page
[02:49] <Catoptromancy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom's_Window_Manager
[02:49] <soldats> ahh also have you heard of dwm
[02:49] <Catoptromancy> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Twm.png
[02:50] <Catoptromancy> you can make it look alot nicer than that
[02:50] <Catoptromancy> can find already made custom  .twmrc   cfgs
[02:50] <Catoptromancy> with screenshots    =)
[02:51] <Catoptromancy> this ?
[02:51] <Catoptromancy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_Window_Manager
[02:51] <soldats> no
[02:51] <soldats> one sec
[02:51] <haxality> why not just use ratpoison and avoid the mouse, while you're at it :P
[02:51] <Catoptromancy> dillo + abiword + prboom + irssi
[02:51] <Catoptromancy> on 400 mhz
[02:52] <Catoptromancy> runs fast
[02:52] <Catoptromancy> with twm
[02:53] <soldats> http://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm
[02:53] <soldats> twm looks really cool though
[02:54] <soldats> i love simple looking stuff
[02:54] <soldats> gnome and xfce are too "pretty"
[02:54] <XinFei>  whats the thing u type in terminal to shut down all firefox programs.. it its already running but i closed it like 5min ago
[02:54] <soldats> but i do still love E16
[02:54] <Catoptromancy> cool
[02:55] <Catoptromancy> twm is standard Xorg
[02:55] <XinFei> any ideas..
[02:55] <Catoptromancy> even if you dont install it, you probably have it
[02:55] <soldats> XinFei, "pgrep firefox" and then "kill PID" where PID is the second number listed
[02:55] <Catoptromancy> XinFei,   killall firefox-bin
[02:55] <soldats> yuh or that ^^
[02:55] <XinFei> thank you
[02:56] <XinFei> it says no process killed
[02:56] <XinFei> when i type killall firefox-bin
[02:56] <Catoptromancy> ps -a|grep fire
[02:56] <XinFei> wait
[02:56] <XinFei> nvm it works
[02:56] <XinFei> >_>
[02:56] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:56] <soldats> Catoptromancy, really i did not know it was standard, where would i look to see if its there
[02:56] <XinFei> thx for helping out the newb
[02:56] <Catoptromancy> /etc/X11/
[02:56] <soldats> np
[02:57] <soldats> Catoptromancy, lol brain fart, figures i should look thar
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> stanard = MOST distros  have it laying around somewhere
[02:57] <haxality> hey
[02:57] <haxality> another question
[02:57] <haxality> how do I control what starts up with xubuntu on a basic level
[02:57] <haxality> synaptic keeps running on boot
[02:57] <soldats> Catoptromancy, did you see the dwm page
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> ya looks cool
[02:57] <haxality> autostarted programs doesn't have anything
[02:58] <soldats> Catoptromancy, i really like tinkering with window managers so it seems to fit my needs
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> ya theres a really good page
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> you can adjust everything
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> menu option = edit one line in a cfg
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> its actually commented on how to do it in the cfg
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> $locate twm
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> dont know if ubuntu installs it
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> It came with Fedora, FreeBSD and Slackware
[02:59] <soldats> ahh
[02:59] <haxality> anyone?
[02:59] <soldats> i wonder if arch has it
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> haxality, inits
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> probabl6
[03:00] <soldats> rclocal
[03:00] <haxality> ahh
[03:00] <soldats> oh wait oops
[03:00] <haxality> where can I find the config files for these things?
[03:00] <haxality> /etc/init.d?
 synaptic keeps running on boot
[03:02] <Catoptromancy> are you really sure you want to turn that off?
[03:02] <haxality> well, not on boot
[03:02] <haxality> but on xfce login
[03:02] <haxality> and yes, I'm sure I don't want synaptic popping up and eating half the screen every time I login :P
[03:02] <Catoptromancy> heh k
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> heh wow, this will be challenging
[03:04] <Catoptromancy> I dont even have xorg.conf
[03:05] <haxality> hahaha
[03:05] <haxality> wow
[03:05] <haxality> bad time to ask I guess :x
[03:06] <soldats> Catoptromancy, is it possible to not have xorg.conf
[03:06] <Catoptromancy> sure
[03:06] <Catoptromancy> i install command line only
[03:06] <Catoptromancy> and manually pieces of xorg
[03:06] <haxality> anything is possible in linux
[03:06] <Catoptromancy> and twm
[03:06] <haxality> one of my friends was running arch w/ ratpoison with the entire WM coded in perl scripts
[03:07] <haxality> no xorg anywhere
[03:07] <soldats> oh yea well i didnt realize you only had twm
[03:07] <nanbudh> to install NetGear WG311 wifi adapter card on xubuntu box do i have to install the software BEFORE putting the card on the motherboard? The papers accompanying the card say 'run the cd before putting the card in'.Though the CD is for windows only
[03:08] <soldats> Catoptromancy, well i install cli as well but i always get xfce or gnome to easily navigate around till im used to the distro then boot cli and use screen
[03:08] <Catoptromancy> im just messing around
[03:09] <Catoptromancy> got ubuntu in vbox
[03:09] <Catoptromancy> im learning xorg
[03:09] <soldats> xorg seems wierd to me
[03:09] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:10] <soldats> i dont know why though
[03:10] <Catoptromancy> what part of it?>
[03:11] <Catoptromancy> i think i need to write my own xinitrc
[03:11] <soldats> maybe since ive only  manually editted it like 3 times but the way its set up is differentt from standard programming languages for some reason i feel more comfortable editing those
[03:11] <Catoptromancy> its not even programming
[03:11] <soldats> yea i know
[03:11] <Catoptromancy> just a fairly basic cfg
[03:12] <soldats> but i mean i prefer editing scripts and source
[03:13] <Catoptromancy> need to remember the order perfectly
[03:13] <soldats> yuh
[03:13] <Catoptromancy> like X > Startx > Xsession
[03:13] <Catoptromancy> what each file reads from and adds to
[03:13] <Catoptromancy> heh I ran startx without an xorg.conf
[03:13] <Catoptromancy> and it just spammed console with "creating authorites
[03:14]  * Catoptromancy deleted like 50 of them
[03:14] <Catoptromancy> and had to reboot to stop it
[03:14] <soldats> could the startx command be somewhere in the cfg to start twm
[03:14] <Catoptromancy> ya
[03:14] <Catoptromancy> i need to fully edit it
[03:14] <Catoptromancy> its a totally stripped setup
[03:15] <Catoptromancy> i even had to #ln -sv startx to X
[03:15] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:15] <soldats> lol
[03:16] <soldats> i probly havent been using linux for nearly as long as you but im still getting more into advance stuff per weekly basis
[03:16] <soldats> and
[03:17] <soldats> i dont know why when i do locate twm it says my /var database is more than 8 days old and wont even locate anything
[03:17] <Catoptromancy> sudo updatedb?
[03:17] <Catoptromancy> i dont think ubuntu even installs it
[03:17] <soldats> ah ha
[03:18] <soldats> well i was just checking for good measure
[03:18] <Catoptromancy> its a very fast download heh
[03:18] <soldats> i like the look of it and i might try it out
[03:18] <Catoptromancy> like 400 kb
[03:18] <Catoptromancy> for a wm
[03:18] <soldats> wow
[03:22] <Catoptromancy> http://xwinman.org/vtwm.php
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> heh screenshots
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> and the cfgs used
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> http://xwinman.org/screenshots/twm-system.gif
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> thats default
[03:23] <Catoptromancy> http://xwinman.org/screenshots/twm-thomas.jpg
[03:26] <soldats> wow the 1st link reminded me of windows 3.1 (the only one i ever liked) just a litte prettier
[03:28] <Catoptromancy> but once you open a program, the program looks norma;
[03:28] <Catoptromancy> i had abiword open in freebsd
[03:28] <Catoptromancy> fullscreen
[03:28] <Catoptromancy> it looked 95% like it did in xfce
[03:29] <soldats> nice just like dwm
[03:30] <soldats> seems the only reason im usong xfce nowadays is because if someone has a problem it easy for me to duplicate it and find a fix for it. its almost the only joy i get in life to help people
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:30] <soldats> s/usong/using
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> gnome is nice, but its not exactly like Xfce
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> Xfce is like perfect
[03:32] <soldats> yuh, i thought it was funny that in gnome you caould add shortcuts in the menu to open folders in nautilus but in xfce you cant unless you do a little research cause the menu seems more restricted in editing.
[03:33]  * soldats drinks too much and cant type
[03:34] <Catoptromancy> ya Xfce menu is the only thing awkward
[03:38] <soldats> yea if you add an entry in the menu editor and for command you do exo-open --working-directory %f  /folder/of/your/choice you can open anyfolder you want just like in gnome
[03:38] <soldats> i thought it was cool eventhough i never use it
[03:40] <Catoptromancy> haha
[03:40] <Catoptromancy> got it
[03:40] <Catoptromancy> cept cfg was blank, so i got no menus or nothing
[03:41]  * Catoptromancy its all wallpaper and mousepointers
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> 600 mbs   for my ubuntu install
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> i could slim it way down though
[04:14] <Catoptromancy> 100%
[04:14] <Catoptromancy> = )
[04:20] <soldats> lol yea a very minimal install of ubuntu would be nice
[04:20] <Catoptromancy> im working menus
[04:21] <Catoptromancy> and it loads X so fast,
[04:22] <soldats> i boot to cli then do startx and xfce seems to load prety fast for being bigger than e16 or fluxbox
[04:24] <Catoptromancy> this load instantly
[04:24] <Catoptromancy> 1 sec
[04:24] <Catoptromancy> in a virutal machine
[04:24] <Catoptromancy> got xterm+bash  on main menu
[04:24] <_slvmchn_> fluxbuntu is a 300 mb install cd
[04:25] <_slvmchn_> very slimmed down
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> with X?
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> errnm
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> nm
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> heh
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> ya i installed a bunch of stuff i didnt need
[04:25] <Catoptromancy> wasnt quite sure
[04:25] <cellofellow> hello, gang!
[04:26] <Catoptromancy> rello
[04:26] <cellofellow> can I rip a CD faster with cdda2wav than cdparanioa without much loss in quality?
[04:28] <soldats> quality depends on what format you use
[04:28] <cellofellow> I don't mean the encoded quality, I intend to use LAME MP3, but I mean the WAV quality. Doesn't paranoia have error-correcting stuff?
[04:32] <soldats> hmm never used it, i has no cd burner. i figure it really doesnt mapper the speed as long as you tell it to burn at the lowest speed and the quality will be good. even if its cli based if the speed is low it will still be good
[04:32] <soldats> s/mapper/madder
[04:34] <cellofellow> It's not a burner, it's a ripper.
[04:35] <cellofellow> Takes forever normally. Currently using abcde which can use both programs.
[04:35] <cellofellow> There is a speed setting for abcde though.
[04:36] <soldats> well the slowest speed always makes a better burn or rip
[04:36] <soldats> maybe 16
[04:36] <cellofellow> ok
[04:37] <cellofellow> it was just annoying that it took the same amount of time to rip a CD on my new laptop as on my old creaky desktop.
[04:43] <soldats> how big is it
[04:58] <BrokenPipe> Why would the password popup for Administrative Tasks hang for a very long time after entering my password?  It happens on my desktop, but not on my media PC.
[05:02] <soldats> not sure but it may be a lag if you have a few open processes using lots of memory while tring to do something as root
[05:02] <soldats> on a slow system
[05:03] <BrokenPipe> It's a quadcore 2.4Ghz system with 2GB of memory, and nothing really running
[05:03] <BrokenPipe> it's not slow
[05:04] <soldats> hmm wierd what command was it (out of curiosity)
[05:04] <BrokenPipe> the update manager
[05:04] <BrokenPipe> The dialogue box you get when there are updated packages.
[05:04] <Catoptromancy> http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1053/snapshot30ds4.png
[05:05] <BrokenPipe> But, it happens no matter how I get to the graphical sudo box.
[05:05] <BrokenPipe> It could just be a root-only settings app.
[05:05] <soldats> wow ive heard the quadcores werent as fast since nothing is really made for them the dual core is faster but its wierd. is it in the gui for update manager
[05:05] <soldats> Catoptromancy, ha thats awesome
[05:06] <Catoptromancy> its tubuntu!
[05:06] <BrokenPipe> Anyone know how to set ALSA's default sound device?
[05:06] <soldats> BrokenPipe, that happened to me when i had ubuntu but i did a reboot and it worked fine from then on. i dont want to say a reboot is necessary but "it worked for me".
[05:06] <Catoptromancy> alsactl
[05:07] <Catoptromancy> man alsactl
[05:07] <BrokenPipe> do I have to do that every time I boot up?
[05:07] <Catoptromancy> no
[05:07] <Catoptromancy> store saves the current driver state for the selected soundcard to  the
[05:07] <Catoptromancy>        configuration file.
[05:08] <soldats> well after the reboot i did it always worked fine with no problems, also i wonder if your internet connectivity may have something to do with it?
[05:08] <BrokenPipe> soldats... it's happened since I installed, after many updates, and many reboots
[05:09] <BrokenPipe> Catoptromancy, that doesn't set the default
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> its saves current settings
[05:09] <soldats> i think it was because my router went out and after the root passwrod it hung since after the password it wanted the internet to download
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> its make your settings right now default
[05:09] <BrokenPipe> ...
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> alsamixer them right
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> them alsactl store
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> and makes them default
[05:10] <BrokenPipe> no
[05:10] <BrokenPipe> it doesn't
[05:10] <BrokenPipe> I need to change the default *device*
[05:10] <Catoptromancy> oh heh
[05:10] <BrokenPipe> not the configuration of the devices
[05:10] <soldats> are you wireless
[05:11] <BrokenPipe> no
[05:12] <soldats> well the only thing i can think of in my frame of mind is a bad connection to the intertubes
[05:12] <soldats> it may hang if it cant read the connecton status
[05:14] <BrokenPipe> man, ubuntuforums.org search sucks
[05:14] <BrokenPipe> this sound thing is really bugging me
[05:14] <BrokenPipe> I can't seem to put the volume control module on my panel either
[05:15] <soldats> with alsa you should go to the gui for sound devices and select alsa
[05:21] <BrokenPipe> xfce4-mixer just seems plain broken
[05:21] <soldats> hmm i wonder why
[05:22] <soldats> i use it, what distro are you using
[05:25] <Pat985> hey guys I am having some xubuntu trouble...
[05:25] <BrokenPipe> why would I come to #xubuntu if I wasn't running it?
[05:26] <soldats> cause xubuntu runs xfce by default
[05:28] <Pat985> I just installed xubunti to my notebook, everything installed fine. After the restart I got the grub screen, then my screen went black for about ten minutes but the harddrive light was still blinking
[05:29] <Pat985> after about ten minutes my screen turned back on but all I have now is a blank screen and an X mouse cursor
[05:29] <soldats> did you have a promt
[05:29] <Pat985> no
[05:29] <soldats> hmm it may be a graphics card problem
[05:30] <Pat985> I had kubuntu installed once and had a boot splash problem
[05:30] <Pat985> where the boot splash wouldnt appear
[05:30] <Pat985> could it be related?
[05:31] <Pat985> I had xubuntu 6.04 installed before upgrading to 7.10 and it worked fine
[05:31] <Pat985> it was after upgrading to 7.10 through the update manager when this happened
[05:33] <soldats> well if you have a promt type "startx" and see if it works, if its an upgrade problem id suggest getting the livecd and doing a fresh install and if that doesnt work either look to the forums of file a bug report
[05:34] <Pat985> ok
[05:43] <Pat985> ok weird...
[05:44] <Pat985> it works now!!!
[05:45] <Pat985> hrmm ok maybe not...
[05:45] <Pat985> sorry :)
[05:45] <soldats> wow what did you do
[05:45] <Pat985> well I got a boot splash for a second that time after a restart
[05:46] <Pat985> now its back to black
[05:46] <Pat985> dont think its a video problem
[05:46] <Pat985> maybe a faulty install then...
[05:46] <soldats> its a possibility
[05:46] <Pat985> I will take your advice and download the newest live cd
[05:46] <soldats> make sure you install everything you need for running the gui
[05:47] <soldats> yuh the 7.10 is best for now
[05:47] <Pat985> well I installed 7.10 through the update manager
[05:47] <Pat985> but I was also doing some other things
[05:47] <Pat985> cpu and net intensive stuff
[05:47] <soldats> if possible make sure you have xubuntu-desktop clicked for install and xorg-x11 checked for install if you do it again
[05:48] <Pat985> maybe a packet got lost and corrupted everything
[05:48] <soldats> yea maybe
[05:48] <Pat985> if all else fails I will just install the xubuntu GUI through ubuntu and run it that way
[05:48] <soldats> usually if it gets lost it gets it again but its a possibility, maybe just try to get the newest livecd
[05:49] <Pat985> I will
[05:49] <soldats> the xubuntu livecd is the fastest in my opinion
[05:49] <soldats> took me about 30 minutes
[05:49] <soldats> full install
[05:49] <Pat985> yeah
[05:51] <Pat985> Im such a linux noob
[05:51] <soldats> well usually youll get a cli terminal if your X for some reason doent start but i really dont know why you dont
[05:52] <Pat985> its some kind of boot error or something
[05:52] <Pat985> I got the grub screen
[05:52] <soldats> but have you tried the recovery mode and looked in the /var/logs for X and seen what happened
[05:52] <Pat985> then the xubuntu screen for a few seconds
[05:52] <Pat985> then my monitor turned completely off
[05:52] <Pat985> after about 10 minutes it cuts back on but still like its in sleep mode
[05:53] <Pat985> and I get a cursor icon that I can move around
[05:53] <Pat985> and my HD light is blinking
[05:53] <soldats> can you type anything
[05:53] <Pat985> nope
[05:53] <soldats> wierd
[05:53] <soldats> i always hear that as a graphics card problem
[05:53] <Pat985> well the mouse cursor is on the screen
[05:54] <Pat985> and I have never had any graphical problem with any other ubuntu distro
[05:54] <Pat985> Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[05:54] <soldats> well id suggest the newest livecd and install from there and see if its better
[05:54] <Pat985> or the previous version of xubuntu
[05:54] <Pat985> yeah I will
[05:55] <Pat985> atleast the wireless worked :)
[05:55] <soldats> well sometimes if the wrong card driver is installed it wont work and you have to be in the gui to get the restricted drivers for it
[05:56] <soldats> yea seems everyone is having problems with wireless thesedays
[05:56] <Pat985> my notebook has an integrated ATI card
[05:56] <evil_tech> nope
[05:56] <evil_tech> having problems with IDE controller
[05:56] <evil_tech> :)
[05:58] <Pat985> I have 3 computers, a Mac, a Toshiba Notebook, and some cheap local made Windows PC. THe only one I have ever had wireless work with is the notebook
[06:02] <penos> gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggunit
[06:02] <penos> ?
[06:02] <Pat985> uhh what?
[06:04] <Pat985> oh well I am heading to bed
[06:04] <Pat985> thanks for the help soldats
[06:04] <soldats> np
[06:05] <Pat985> I will download a new livecd tommorrow and see how that goes
[06:05] <Pat985> nite
[06:05] <soldats> ill be on tomorrow if you need help
[06:05] <Pat985> ok
[06:05] <Pat985> take care
[06:05] <soldats> nite
[06:05] <soldats> :P you too
[06:06] <evil_tech> anyone know if an IT8212 IDE controller is supported as a boot device?
[06:52] <neeto> I have a mouse with forward and back buttons that don't work natively on xubuntu. What do I need to make them work?
[06:55] <soldats> well youll probly have to edit the xorg.cong file but i dont really know a lot about the mouse. id suggest either google "mouse buttons in xorg" or try #ubuntu if you get no answer in here sionce its usually slow here
[06:55] <soldats> i guess you could man xorg and try to figure it out
[06:57] <soldats> err not sure if "xev" in termial may help with mouse click commands
[07:03] <neeto> alright thanks
[07:04] <neeto> I'll check it out
[07:04] <neeto> I heard there is another app that I can use, maybe called ncursor or something
[07:04] <neeto> It might be obsolete though
[07:07] <soldats> well the xorg.conf can be used for mapping the mouse buttons that arent used but i dont recall the page its on, im a little too tipsy to remember. if you have no luck ill look into it tomorrow and try to let you know. i did some mapping for mouse emulation but i dont recall the page for it. maybe try asking in #ubuntu since more people populate there :|
[07:10] <neeto> alrigt
[07:10] <neeto> thanks for your help
[09:44] <hysteria-spi> I am a newbe to ubuntu. Running 7.10. Any tricks that make it cool
[09:46] <PeckaH> compiz-fusion
[11:23] <xubnik> Hello guys! - I don't have a printer, but I wanna print a pdf-file. How could I do this? Which packets do I have to install?
[11:27] <predaeus> xubnik, cups-pdf I think
[11:30] <manchicken> I still can't figure out how to get applications to stay on their assigned desktop if they're called from another desktop.
[11:30] <manchicken> This is irritating.
[11:40] <mosno> how can i add an item to the panel FROM the menu, eg. Terminal?
[11:44] <mosno> joeyjones: yea i know, i know. well, it was the first half-decent distro to support this hardware, so...
[11:45] <mosno> crap
[12:25] <TheSheep> mosno: create a launcher and drag an item from /usr/share/applications to the list in the launcher
[12:26] <TheSheep> mosno: and please don't swear
[12:26] <mosno> TheSheep: thanks, got help over in #xfce
[12:26] <mosno> TheSheep: ok
[13:18] <vidd> how do you change the universal font size?
[13:19] <vidd> i did a clean install and everything is so tiny
[13:19] <vidd> I even set resolution to 800x600 and its STILL too small to read
[13:43] <totalwormface> vidd: you should change your DPI in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:43] <totalwormface> let me search for something :}
[13:43] <vidd> ty
[13:43] <vidd> i will be afk but ill be back soon
[13:45] <totalwormface> vidd: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623036&highlight=displaysize+xorg+small+font
[13:45] <totalwormface> :]
[13:45] <totalwormface> or search for 'displaysize + xorg.conf and font'
[13:59] <vidd> ty totalwormface
[13:59] <totalwormface> np :]
[14:16] <vidd> i seem to be better ty
[15:41] <Turno> howdy xubuntu
[15:41] <Turno> i should be installing tonight ;)
[15:42] <Turno> can i get a slimmer installation by using the alternate cd?
[15:42] <Turno> I basically don't want to install any x programs at all
[15:42] <TheSheep> yes, you can install a commandline system only
[15:46] <Turno> well, i do want x windows
[15:46] <Turno> but i'm torn as to whether or not i should even install a window manager
[15:47] <TheSheep> you can install it later
[15:47] <Turno> *grin*
[15:47] <Turno> that sounds about like what i'm looking for
[15:47] <Turno> i'm re-setting up my home server
[15:47] <TheSheep> out of curiosity, any particular reason for not wanting gui
[15:48] <Turno> its being designed to only run one program on its display
[15:48] <Turno> not really designed... set up
[15:48] <Turno> elisa media center
[15:48] <Turno> I don't want to use vnc for administration
[15:49] <Turno> i want to be forced to use ssh and web interfaces
[15:49] <TheSheep> but it's not like you don't have access to the commandline anymore...
[15:49] <Turno> so i don't really need a window manager or other x programs
[15:49] <TheSheep> ah, so it's about forcing yourself
[15:49] <TheSheep> I see
[15:49] <Turno> I may do a vanilla xubuntu install
[15:50] <Turno> i don't think there will be much of a performance difference running xfce underneath my media center
[15:50] <Martz> P3 650 w/ 128MB RAM good enough specs for xubuntu? My friend has installed it, took 5 hours and he says performance is very poor. Any ideas?
[15:53] <TheSheep> low ram
[15:54] <TheSheep> you can disable unused services, maybe use lower resoultion/color depth t save some ram
[15:54] <TheSheep> also, don't start gnome services (it can be displaed in settings->sessions)
[15:54] <TheSheep> disabled
[15:57] <stmartin> hi
[15:57] <stmartin> I have one big problem
[15:57] <stmartin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=661770
[15:57] <stmartin> please help!
[15:58] <Martz> TheSheep: thanks
[16:06] <TheSheep> stmartin: did you set up your dns server?
[16:07] <stmartin> I just choose DHCP
[16:08] <stmartin> how to do it?
[16:08] <Turno> hey, if something is packaged for ubuntu gutsy, can i usually install it onto xubuntu?
[16:08] <totalwormface> Turno: always
[16:10] <TheSheep> stmartin: check system->network
[16:10] <TheSheep> stmartin: second tab
[16:12] <stmartin> what should be there?
[16:14] <Turno> good good
[16:15] <TheSheep> sparrw: an ip address of your dns server
[16:15] <TheSheep> sparrw: sorry
[17:05] <Turno> yo thesheep
[17:15] <Turno> nevermind, actually
[18:18] <stmartin> Hi! Why I have double ubuntu's when I boot ?
[18:27] <totalwormface> stmartin: what do you mean? more options in grub?
[18:28] <totalwormface> and if so, is there only a ubuntu duplicate saying save mode or something, or just another kernel?
[18:29] <totalwormface> you can remove old kernels and more stuff with 'sudo apt-get autoremove'
[19:36] <El3cTr0n> hi
[19:36] <El3cTr0n> please help me! what is the default text editor for xubuntu?
[19:40] <Venin-> is there a channel specifically for eeexubuntu?
[19:42] <TheSheep> El3cTr0n: mousepad
[19:42] <El3cTr0n> thjx
[20:45] <evil_tech> anyone have xubuntu booting off a IT8212 ide raid controller
[20:45] <evil_tech> ?
[21:17] <rokra> Hello
[21:18] <rokra> is the 3D is working fine on xubuntu 7.10? I have some problem to active it. However on Ubuntu it s working properly
[21:37] <evil_tech> rokra: it can be made to work but its not as easy as in ubuntu
[21:37] <evil_tech> anyone have xubuntu running on an IT8212 ide raid controller (either as raid or not)
[21:37] <evil_tech> ?
[22:28] <evil_tech> anyone have xubuntu running on an IT8212 ide raid controller  (either as raid or not)
[22:43]  * Pete-the-Geek is away: I'm busy or not here
[22:57] <evil_tech> anyone have xubuntu running on an IT8212 ide raid controller  (either as raid or not)
[23:25] <rikkimaru> I'm trying to install xubuntu, and when I use the "Guided" Partition method, during installation I get the error "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI(0,0,0) (sda) failed.  How do i fix thi?
[23:26] <evil_tech> try setting up the partitions manually?
[23:30] <rikkimaru> evil_tech, hmm... i left 10 gigs unused and it seems to be working now..
[23:31] <rikkimaru> evil_tech, now i get "The attempt to mount a file system with type swap in SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #2 (sda) at none failed."
[23:32] <evil_tech> sounds like a bad disc
[23:32] <rikkimaru> evil_tech, seemed to be working fine with the OS I was using before this
[23:34] <evil_tech> hmm
[23:34] <rikkimaru> i'll try rebooting :D
[23:37] <march> goodnight :)
[23:39] <rikkimaru> evil_tech, heh, that seems to have worked
[23:40] <evil_tech> anyone have xubuntu running on an IT8212 ide raid controller  (either as raid or not)
[23:43] <rotman> Hi.. I'm running xubuntu on a pretty old and slow laptop, and I was wondering how I can stop the update-notifier from being started every time I log on
[23:44] <TheSheep> evil_tech: you could try asking on #ubuntu (they are same under the hood) or on forums
[23:45] <TheSheep> rotman: settings->autostarted applications
[23:46] <rotman> hmm.. that actually sounds too logical to have overlooked... thanks a lot! :D


[20:57] <thumper> morning folks
[23:06] <wallyworld> thumper: hey, nice week away?
[23:06] <thumper> wallyworld: yep
[23:06] <thumper> a week without signal even
[23:06] <wallyworld> awesome
[23:06] <thumper> going through my 1900 work emails
[23:06] <wallyworld> and now 1000000 emails
[23:06]  * thumper nods
[23:07] <thumper> luckily I have a reasonably aggressive delete filter
[23:07] <wallyworld> thumper: i have a couple of review needing to be done also when you are fee :-) since you are OCR :-) for the 1.24 release
[23:07]  * thumper nods
[23:07] <wallyworld> \o/
[23:30] <menn0> wallyworld: ping
[23:32] <wallyworld> menn0: in standup be with you in a sec
[23:32] <menn0> wallyworld: np
[23:39] <wallyworld> menn0: wazzup
[23:39] <menn0> wallyworld: so i'm looking at the fix for bug 1441913
[23:39] <mup> Bug #1441913: juju upgrade-juju failed to configure mongodb replicasets <canonical-is> <mongodb> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:In Progress by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.23:In Progress by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441913>
[23:40] <menn0> wallyworld: the idea of doing the replicaset init as an upgrade step isn't working out
[23:40] <wallyworld> bollocks
[23:40] <wallyworld> seemed like a great idea at the time
[23:40] <menn0> wallyworld: b/c mongo is started with --replSet and won't let you do anything until you initialise the replicaset
[23:40] <menn0> wallyworld: but we can't start upgrade until mongo is up and running
[23:40] <menn0> wallyworld: chicken and egg problem
[23:41] <wallyworld> hmmm
[23:41] <menn0> wallyworld: so i'm looking at changing ensureMongoServer so it always attempts the replicaset init stuff
[23:41] <wallyworld> maybe we need a 3rd type of uprade :-)
[23:41] <menn0> wallyworld: all the pieces seem to handle the case of their part already having been done
[23:42] <menn0> wallyworld: it means a bit more work each machine agent startup
[23:42] <menn0> wallyworld: but would be safer
[23:42] <menn0> wallyworld: just wondering if that seemed sensible to you or if you had any other ideas
[23:43] <wallyworld> quick hangout, i can't quite get my head around the exact steps
[23:43] <wallyworld> ?
[23:43] <menn0> wallyworld: ok
[23:43] <wallyworld> onyx su