[07:49] <elcu> spo0nman: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#codecs
[07:49] <cmug_> oh well, i dont play games
[07:49] <cmug_> xept on my xbox
[07:49] <edgeoc> Gotta find a different solution from killing arts everytime I want to play a divx movie in vlc
[07:49] <chavo> If I try to run it while KDE is running it's a little slower.
[07:49] <thundrcleeze> can anyone get wine (the free kind) to play any new games?
[07:50] <beh> thundrcleeze probably not
[07:50] <epicenter_> Is there a means to change X resolution and refresh rate in KDE? Or do I have to edit my xorg.cfg for that?
[07:50] <epicenter_> *.conf
[07:51] <crimsun> edgeoc: configure artsd to release the sound device after 2 seconds of inactivity
[07:51] <cmug_> epicenter_, you can change reso with ctrl-alt-plus/minus after you have configured them in the .conf file.
[07:52] <cmug_> but it prolly needs a X restart after editing the conf
[07:52] <epicenter_> edit it in what way?
[07:52] <epicenter_> right now it zooms in and out.
[07:52] <chavo> You can also do it in Control Center -> Peripherals -> Display.
[07:53] <cmug_> epicenter_, add resolutions :)
[07:53] <epicenter_>  60hz is my only choice in the Control Center. Why's that?
[07:53] <elcu> Any Zsnes users?  It runs really slow with 2xSai enabled.  I'm on a P4 w/ 9600Pro.  I've got 3d support working.  Any ideas?
[07:53] <chavo> epicenter, you need to edit your xorg.conf
[07:53] <epicenter_> This display supports up to 100 Hz at 1024x768
[07:53] <dazed__> im starting to get extremely flustered with this locking up business
[07:53] <chavo> elcu, I installed it but haven't tried it out yet.
[07:53] <elcu> chavo: that helps. :)
[07:54] <toresbe> epicenter_: in your xorg.conf file there are two lines, horiz and vert something.
[07:54] <chavo> yeah, been busy lately.
[07:54] <toresbe> epicenter_: edit those to your monitors' specs
[07:54] <epicenter_> HorizSync and VertRefresh. But, VertRefresh goes up to 72 in the xorg.conf and it's only letting me to 60. :P
[07:55] <epicenter_> Doesn't that indicate it's not interpreting the xorg.conf correctly?
[07:55] <edgeoc> crimsun, How do I do that?
[07:56] <crimsun> edgeoc: in the a/v options of the control panel
[07:57] <edgeoc> av options of the control panel? what control panel?
[07:57] <edgeoc> this isnt window
[07:57] <edgeoc> windows
[07:57] <crimsun> edgeoc: go to the arts section of the kde control center or whatever
[07:57] <edgeoc> kde?
[07:57] <edgeoc> im in gnome
[07:57] <edgeoc> ubuntu
[07:57] <edgeoc> 5.04
[07:57] <edgeoc> not kubunt
[07:57] <crimsun> edgeoc: so why are you messing with artsd?
[07:58] <edgeoc> what do I know, I was told that is why vlc wont play audio
[07:58] <edgeoc> I dont know what Im using
[07:58] <edgeoc> whatver came with ubuntu
[07:58] <edgeoc> Its a fresh install from like 2 hours ago
[07:58] <crimsun> edgeoc: System>Preferences>Sounds
[07:58] <crimsun> edgeoc: uncheck "Enable sound server startup"
[07:58] <crimsun> Sound, rather
[07:58] <edgeoc> that wont mess stuf up?
[07:59] <crimsun> depends on when you plan to start vlc
[07:59] <ice_1963> i'm runing fluxbox right now it's cool =)
[07:59] <crimsun> esd is configured by default to release the sound device after 5 seconds of inactivity
[08:00] <ish> a bit off topic, but can anyone suggest a decent font for long hours of coding on a 17" LCD monitor, 1280x1024.
[08:00] <edgeoc> am i using esd?
[08:00] <deFrysk> comic sans
[08:00] <jldugger_> how can i log into the admin account of swat?
[08:00] <crimsun> edgeoc: if you're using Ubuntu, yes (not Kubuntu as you stated)
[08:00] <epicenter> What was the recommendation to stop having to kill esd/artsd when VLC is run? .. I missed it.
[08:00] <edgeoc> ok well if it releases it after 5 seconds how come I dont hear sound in vlc if i wait 5 seconds
[08:01] <epicenter> it'd be a niec thing to know
[08:01] <epicenter> oh, we're still discussing it .. :P
[08:01] <edgeoc> heh
[08:01] <edgeoc> yea
[08:01] <crimsun> just pkill esd whenever you have to run it
[08:01] <epicenter>  Or i guess I could add it to my shortcut to VLC.
[08:01] <crimsun> I use polypaudio, so I'll have to investigate in the morning
[08:01] <epicenter> Maybe I should just stop it from running. Event sounds aren't amazing
[08:01] <edgeoc> there isnt an easier way to just play divx in totem so I dont have to disable this thing every tiem I want to use vlc to watch a video?
[08:01] <epicenter> what's polypaudio?
[08:02] <edgeoc> does totem need esd?
[08:02] <scott> so is there going to be another branch now that hoary is out that will have the latest stuff? any guesses when it will be available?
[08:02] <crimsun> it's a drop-in replacement for esd that was removed from Hoary's default config for a number of reasons
[08:02] <epicenter> as edgeoc said; is there a plugin for VLC to make it support artsd or esd?
[08:02] <deFrysk> scott, about 6 weeks
[08:02] <jldugger_> Hey, I can't seem to edit any Samba settings over SWAT. Is there a special account for that?
[08:02] <b2s> edgeoc: search in synaptic for the vlc plugin
[08:02] <scott> deFrysk: it's called badger right?
[08:03] <deFrysk> scott, something like that yup
[08:03] <crimsun> epicenter: install vlc-plugin-esd
[08:03] <Fazer> Urgh! stupid kernel panic!
[08:03] <Fazer> I cant get the livecd to work
[08:03] <deFrysk> scott, probably will be announced here as soon as the repo wil be usable
[08:04] <epicenter> crimsun: I'm using KDE so I added vlc-plugin-arts
[08:04] <epicenter> but it didn't help. :P
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000270]  mpeg_audio decoder: MPGA channels:2 samplerate:48000 bitrate:128
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000274]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000274]  arts audio output error: arts_init failed (can't connect to aRts soundserver)
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000274]  main audio output error: couldn't find a filter for the conversion
[08:05] <epicenter> [00000274]  main audio output error: couldn't set an output pipeline
[08:05] <epicenter>
[08:05] <Fazer> bah, can anyone help me ?
[08:05] <epicenter> can't connect to Arts?  I'd buy a cheap router.
[08:08] <_blue> does ubuntu live come with xchat?
[08:08] <aru> so no
[08:08] <epicenter> Make the process totally transparent and odds are, Ubuntu will find the NIC you attach it to easily.
[08:08] <epicenter> Also, A NIC connection is faster than USB.
[08:09] <rj_> anyone know how to fix em8300 drivers?  Synaptic package is broken :(
[08:09] <epicenter> aru: They're maybe $30 at the store
[08:09] <crimsun> _blue: yes
[08:09] <_blue> nice :)
[08:09] <aru> epicenter: so thats a no, thanks
[08:09] <epicenter> np
[08:09] <_blue> got ubuntu installed tonight on test box
[08:09] <epicenter> I may be wrong
[08:10] <epicenter> but that's a more enjoyable alternative to setting up the usb modem :P
[08:10] <_blue> gonna run live on this box to test see about switching
[08:10] <epicenter> they're flaky in WINDOWS.
[08:10] <epicenter> What am I missing if VLC still cannot play audio with the ARTS plugin?
[08:10] <aru> you can't solve everyones problem by buying more stuff
[08:10] <edgeoc> hrm, after watching a vid for a while the audio looses sync with the vid
[08:10] <cmug_> usb modem >/dev/null
[08:10] <edgeoc> BAH
[08:10] <epicenter> cmug_: thought so ;)
[08:10] <crimsun> edgeoc: yes, a latency issue.  Having to kill artsd or esd is what we are trying to fix
[08:13] <edgeoc> yea
[08:13] <Burgundavia> jirwin, check out thoggen. Rips to theora with a pretty interface
[08:13] <crimsun> at least you won't have latency issues with alsa.
[08:13] <epicenter> I haven't had those
[08:14] <edgeoc> well I have
[08:14] <edgeoc> :-p
[08:14] <edgeoc> so no good
[08:14] <jirwin> just to be clear theora is a replacement for divx?
[08:14] <epicenter> I wouldn't mind stopping alsa or esd if it STARTED AGAIN when I closed the audio app.
[08:14] <edgeoc> yea
[08:14] <epicenter> would making a shortcut lead to killall artsd;vlc;artsd do it?
[08:14] <epicenter> Would artsd wait for VLC to die before it launched?
[08:14] <epicenter> or launch the instant VLC did?
[08:15] <crimsun> artsd continually polls the sound device if it can't successfully grab it
[08:15] <aru> does usb even work at all in ubuntu?
[08:15] <epicenter> aru: Uh, yes. :P
[08:15] <crimsun> you can tell esd to autospawn by changing /etc/esound/esd.conf
[08:15] <epicenter> very well
[08:16] <epicenter> crimsun: What's to stop it from spawning again when VLC is active?
[08:16] <aru> its just usb modems that dont work?
[08:16] <angelous> i need help with gtkpod?
[08:16] <epicenter> aru: most of them
[08:16] <crimsun> epicenter: vlc has the device
[08:16] <epicenter> ah.
[08:16] <epicenter> can I do this for artsd too?
[08:16] <epicenter> then launch vlc with a shortcut going to killall artsd;vlc ?
[08:16] <thundrcleeze> "nice" ubuntu article on /.
[08:16] <crimsun> epicenter: if you set the timeout for artsd to the lowest value, yes
[08:17] <crimsun> epicenter: in which case there shouldn't be any need to kill artsd
[08:17] <aru> most, so some do work
[08:17] <epicenter> crimsun: Where do I do this timeout setting?
[08:17] <edgeoc> to my suprise, It seems that a lot of the stuff on ubuntuguide.com wont even work on a 64 bit system because there arent 64 bit repositories on those extra repositories you need to add for many of their instructions to work
[08:17] <edgeoc> :(
[08:17] <epicenter> edgeoc: If the program is in AMD64 its libraries will be too
[08:17] <epicenter> but that it isn't a guarantee all the functionality is there
[08:18] <crimsun> epicenter: in the sound settings (arts?) for kde's control settings
[08:18] <epicenter> I'm sure the porters tested them with some degree of thoroughness though
[08:18] <epicenter> Set it to what, 1 second?
[08:18] <crimsun> edgeoc: sometimes there are separate amd64 repos for external
[08:18] <crimsun> epicenter: sure
[08:19] <aru> so lets say someone had a usb modem that was outside of the "most" category, how would they get theirs working, or would it just magicly work?
[08:20] <jirwin> is thoggen a package?
[08:20] <ubuntu> w00t, on ubuntu live
[08:22] <eleusis> heh
[08:22] <cikilin> hello
[08:23] <cikilin> is anybody usingdcgui-qt?
[08:23] <oneovernone> does anybody know why the special addresses in nautilus like "applications:///" wouldn't work?
[08:23] <crimsun> oneovernone: it was removed from gnome 2.10
[08:23] <jirwin> Burgundavia, hey
[08:23] <crimsun> oneovernone: (well, applications:/// was )
[08:23] <oneovernone> ooh...  that would explain things...
[08:23] <jirwin> Burgundavia, how would i install thoggen...
[08:24] <oneovernone> thanks, crimsun, I've been reading all sorts of documentation and help that said "do this..."
[08:24] <Burgundavia> jirwin, http://thoggen.net/
[08:24] <b2s> has anyone tried using xmms-crossfade?
[08:24] <oneovernone> In fact I think it said that in the Ubuntu help too...  oops
[08:24] <jirwin> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:25] <Burgundavia> jirwin, download and install from there. Breezy isn't open yet, so it hasn't been imported into Ubuntu
[08:25] <oneovernone> b2s, I use xmms-crossfade
[08:25] <Burgundavia> jirwin, I suspect that thoggen will make Gnome 2.12 or .14
[08:25] <epicenter> ugh. Now nothing can play sound.
[08:25] <epicenter> restarting
[08:25] <b2s> hmm, so I guess that means it isn't just the package that's broken. darn.
[08:25] <jirwin> Burgundavia, thanks...what is Breezy?
[08:25] <cikilin> is anybody using dcgui-qt please help!!1111
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jirwin, the next version of Ubuntu
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jirwin, Ubuntu Breezy Badger 5.10
[08:26] <jirwin> Burgundavia, ahh ok
[08:26] <oneovernone> crimsun, do you know how to edit launcher items in the applications list?
[08:26] <ells> I have done it, I can actually compress and copy a dvd natively in linux
[08:26] <jirwin> Burgundavia, well I guess I can wait 6 months then
[08:26] <jirwin> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jirwin, thoggen is good, use it now
[08:26] <thenuke> oh btw, why I was offered for about ~50 upgraded packets when I did apt-get upgrade on warty?
[08:26] <thenuke> this happened after release of hoary
[08:27] <thenuke> and I was not upgrading to hoary
[08:27] <cikilin> why if you start a program it doesnt remeber settings?
[08:27] <b2s> oneovernone: did you have to do anything unusual to get the crossfade output to work?
[08:27] <Burgundavia> thenuke, if that is fresh install, there have been about 50 security alerts
[08:28] <thenuke> Burgundavia: it was not fresh
[08:28] <oneovernone> Umm... once you install it go into xmms go to options-preferences, and change the output plugin
[08:28] <Burgundavia> thenuke, that is odd
[08:28] <cikilin> why nobody is helping me?
[08:28] <jirwin> in synaptic, is there anyway to use it to install .deb packages
[08:29] <Burgundavia> jirwin, nope, sorry
[08:29] <Burgundavia> jirwin, got to resort to command line
[08:29] <SeamusLP> cikilin: whats the problem?
[08:29] <epicenter> Success!
[08:29] <epicenter> Thanks for the help, Crimsun.
[08:29] <Burgundavia> jirwin, sudo dpkg -i thoggen.deb
[08:29] <jirwin> Burgundavia, oh no problem with command line...just would be a neat feature
[08:29] <keyvan__> hey there
[08:30] <Burgundavia> jirwin, there is talk, but generally the stuff just should be add to the repos
[08:30] <b2s> oneovernone: darn, I did that, but it just seems to crash.  I can still go into preferences, but songs don't play and the timer stays at 0
[08:30] <jirwin> Burgundavia, true that.
[08:30] <oneovernone> hmmm...
[08:31] <eleusis> hey, Burgundavia is here too :P
[08:31] <oneovernone> b2s, darn I dunno.. it worked right off the bat for me.  Try fiddling with the setting for the output plugin
[08:31] <ells> I have done it, I can actually compress and copy a dvd natively in linux
[08:31] <Burgundavia> eleusis, I am often here
[08:31] <Debian3x> hello
[08:31] <oneovernone> make sure sample rate is 44.1 kbps
[08:31] <aru> how would I setup a new adsl connection?
[08:31] <b2s> ok
[08:32] <keyvan__> hey folks i was hoping someone could lend a hand with burning an ISO in linux, apparently cdrecord is the key, and that only works with scsi devices (mine is ide), now it seems i need to add a line in the grub config file, but i dnot know where that is, as it is not the default path here in ubuntu, any help?
[08:32] <eleusis> :)
[08:32] <crimsun> keyvan__: it works fine with ATAPI drives
[08:32] <b2s> keyvan__: cdrecord should work fine with atapi these days
[08:32] <keyvan__> ah
[08:32] <crimsun> keyvan__: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX (replace X)
[08:33] <keyvan__> then perhaps i am using hte wrong command? i used this command and it yielded in a bad disk after 10 seconds of "Fixating"
[08:33] <Debian3x> hmm might try emulating your ide drive as a scsi by passing the command to the kernal
[08:33] <keyvan__> ah okay, and it does track at once
[08:33] <keyvan__> yeah debian3x, thats what i foudn while googling and thats why i asked about the grub config file path
[08:33] <Debian3x> but that is only if your cdrw is a adapti
[08:33] <crimsun> it should not be necessary to use ide-scsi
[08:33] <crimsun> cdrecord does support ATAPI natively
[08:34] <crimsun> you might want to ensure that your ATAPI drive has DMA enabled
[08:34] <b2s> oneovernone: aparently I must have broken the config somehow... deleting that section and using the default config works perfectly for me also
[08:34] <Debian3x> so who in here uses ubuntu
[08:35] <epicenter> ............
[08:35] <aru> guess i'll format it, thanks
[08:35] <Tomcat_> Bad question.
[08:35] <keyvan__> sheesh
[08:35] <epicenter> HI WELCOME TO GERMANY WHO'S GERMAN HERE
[08:35] <Tomcat_> Ask who doesn't use it.
[08:35] <jirwin> Burgundavia, is thoggen always this slow?
[08:35] <keyvan__> alrighty, and crimsun, how do i make it use disk at once instead of track at once?
[08:35] <keyvan__> there seems not to be a switch for that
[08:35] <helloyo> epicenter, welcome to germany? i'm not in germany
[08:35] <Debian3x> lol okies what im wondering is how is the instal/setup say compared to slackware
[08:35] <Burgundavia> jirwin, yes, it took my 30 hours to rip a 2 hours movie
[08:35] <Burgundavia> jirwin, that is one of the things they are working on
[08:36] <keyvan__> Debian3x, its very easy
[08:36] <jirwin> Burgundavia, I should hope so
[08:36] <crimsun> keyvan__: -dao
[08:36] <epicenter> helloyo: It's a Joke. Christ. He came into #ubuntu and asked who was using Ubuntu
[08:36] <Debian3x> i didnt have any problems installing slackware but  i want to set up a full version of linux for my finace and not spend hours conifguring it
[08:36] <keyvan__> yeah? it didnt work crimsun i tried... maybe my cdrecord is outdated or something.. it says defaulting to tao when i do that...
[08:36] <keyvan__> yeah
[08:36] <keyvan__> is it because its CDrecord Clone?
[08:36] <crimsun> keyvan__: if your burner supports BURNFREE or whatever, look at driveropts, too
[08:37] <eleusis> excellent.. ubuntu-calendar* work fine on Debian Unstable ;)
[08:37] <keyvan__> nah its an old burner
[08:37] <ubuntu> If I want to move the contents of a folder called "App" to /usr/loca/App, would I just mv App /usr/local/App
[08:37] <ubuntu> >
[08:37] <crimsun> ubuntu: or just, mv App /usr/local/
[08:37] <ubuntu> Thanks
[08:37] <beh> but ubuntu your first way works too
[08:37] <beh> just to let you knw
[08:37] <epicenter> what has to be done to chroot to my other partition? I have Ubuntu-i386 and Ubuntu-AMD64 on the other, I want to chroot to 32-bit to run 32-bit apps.
[08:37] <jirwin> Burgundavia, so is there anything that would just allow me to decrypt dvds?
[08:37] <crimsun> (though to be correct, you'd want mv App /usr/local/.
[08:37] <crimsun> )
[08:38] <ells> has anyone been able to copy dvds for use on their home player
[08:38] <keyvan__> yeah i give up
[08:38] <Debian3x> now ubuntu does it come bundle with a crossover office
[08:38] <keyvan__> im gonna use knoppix in one drive
[08:38] <keyvan__> and use k3b, thanks for the help
[08:38] <scott> anyone know what the xorg development files package is named?
[08:38] <Burgundavia> jirwin, hmm, no idea. I think you would have to transcode as well
[08:38] <beh> Debian3x no i beleive crossover office isnt free
[08:38] <ian> is APM better supported in Hoary?
[08:39] <Debian3x> its not but they have a free trial
[08:39] <beh> Debian3x ohh
[08:39] <ubuntu> What if I wanted to move all of the contents of a dir to another, but I don't actually want to move the dir?
[08:39] <beh> use a *
[08:39] <beh> mv /whatever/* /wherever/
[08:39] <ubuntu> Thanks
[08:39] <jirwin> Burgundavia, is transcode in Hoary?
[08:39] <ice_1963> it;s not free
[08:40] <Burgundavia> jirwin, it is, should be in universe or multiverse
[08:40] <Debian3x> bey you sure it isnt rm-rf heh j/k
[08:40] <fubz> anyone notice that gnome menu editor doesnt remove an item? but it can create one? anyone able to show me how to remove something im all ears!
[08:40] <Debian3x> beh even
[08:40] <beh> ?
[08:40] <Debian3x> ^^^^
[08:40] <jirwin> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:40] <Burgundavia> jirwin, hey np
[08:41] <epicenter> Is there a good reason for Wine to crash whenever I run anything in it (even as simple as MSPaint or Notepad.exe)?
[08:41] <epicenter> Or is the version of Wine on Universe really really old ...?
[08:41] <da_bon_bon> can someone tell me how is the hoary install process different from warty ? coz i dont have a hoary cd, and cant download it.
[08:41] <Burgundavia> epicenter, where is your wine from? Napa valley or France?
[08:41] <revelater> anyone here know how to program?
[08:41] <revelater> c++
[08:41] <beh> off topic but why would you want to run notepad.exe
[08:41] <epicenter> Burgunadvia: WINE.
[08:41] <epicenter> the Windows imitator.
[08:42] <Burgundavia> epicenter, lol. seriously, I would take the newer stuff from winehq
[08:42] <epicenter> fine
[08:42] <Burgundavia> epicenter, wine is such a moving target, it is hard to keep it up to date
[08:42] <epicenter> beh: Because running Quake 3 as my first test would be unscientific
[08:42] <epicenter> beh: I mean god damn :P
[08:42] <scott> anyone know what the xorg development files package is named?
[08:42] <beh> cedega would probably run games better
[08:43] <crimsun> scott: x-dev
[08:43] <beh> formerly known as winex
[08:43] <epicenter> beh: Yeah, but I hear Cedega's CVS is broken
[08:43] <beh> oh i have no idea
[08:43] <epicenter> and will always be :P
[08:43] <hondje> Anyone notice gimp crashing when trying to insert text into an image?
[08:43] <beh> google for a torrent
[08:43] <epicenter> I can't even FIND Cedega
[08:43] <beh> :-/
[08:43] <epicenter> They seem to hide it
[08:43] <kriebly> the commercial product...
[08:43] <hondje> epicenter: transgaming.org
[08:43] <epicenter> I know, where ON the site?  But I can't find it.
[08:44] <jldugger_> it doenst matter much. the CVS doesn't have everything
[08:44] <epicenter> I hear all it is missing is copy protection, which I don't need
[08:44] <epicenter> I will run games from my mounted XP partition
[08:45] <jldugger_> as i understand it, its also missing most of the directX acceleration
[08:45] <epicenter> Then why would anyone use it? :P
[08:45] <hojo> sorry, just joined, are you talking about wine right now?
[08:45] <chavo> epicenter, that doesn't always work either. Especially if your XP is ntfs
[08:45] <jldugger_> but i'll find the cvs repository for ya ;)
[08:45] <epicenter> It's fat32
[08:45] <epicenter> and why would your CVS be missing its basic functionality?
[08:45] <beh> ive ran steam with counter strike in cedega
[08:45] <epicenter> Cedega is Wine + DirectX capability
[08:45] <jldugger_> epicenter, if they gave away the code, nobody'd pay for the binaries?
[08:45] <hondje> HL2 runs like crap in cedega though
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: + copy protection for the paid version
[08:45] <hondje> Some people have luck, but I couldn't get it working well
[08:45] <epicenter> jldugger_: If it's broken ... as CVS often is
[08:46] <chavo> hl2 runs great for me.
[08:46] <epicenter> jldugger: I more want to run Quake 3 and some basic emulators
[08:46] <Debian3x> anyone try to emulate FFXI
[08:46] <epicenter> Debian3x: Who would want to? :P
[08:46] <Debian3x> me
[08:46] <epicenter> .....
[08:46] <epicenter> I pity you
[08:46] <kriebly> why does cedega site have a Tron 2.0 banner?
[08:46] <jldugger_> you want quake 3
[08:46] <chavo> epicenter, doesn't quake 3 have linux binaries?
[08:46] <jldugger_> and emulators
[08:46] <epicenter> Quake 3 has no support for ALSA.
[08:46] <Debian3x> lol its the only thing that keeps me on a windows pc is support for my games
[08:46] <jldugger_> to run on cedega?
[08:46] <epicenter> You have to use SDL and it has no SDL build
[08:47] <epicenter> you don't
[08:47] <epicenter> need to space
[08:47] <epicenter> out your text
[08:47] <Arnia> Thank goodness I don't play games :)
[08:47] <da_bon_bon> kriebly: whats tron 2.0 ?
[08:47] <hondje> Is there a way to anonymously submit bugs? I hate registering
[08:47] <kriebly> this is what I'm asking?
[08:47] <kriebly> Tron was a movie
[08:47] <epicenter> tron 2.0 is a game
[08:47] <kriebly> there were some arcade game spinoffs of it
[08:47] <hojo> does anyone else here have the problem where they need to killall the esound daemon (esd) to use things like xmms, streamtuner, totem, enemy territory because hoary won't relinquish sound control?
[08:47] <TongMaster> Tron is a lifestyle
[08:47] <epicenter> a bad game
[08:48] <Debian3x> yes quake 3 does have a linux version, i actually own a version of quake 3 for linux
[08:48] <kriebly> "Disks of tron" was a cool arcade game
[08:48] <epicenter> Debian 3x: but it has NO ALSA SUPPORT
[08:48] <epicenter> so NO AUDIO.
[08:48] <epicenter> That is a small problem :P
[08:48] <da_bon_bon> can it use oss ?
[08:49] <epicenter> yes, but my card is in ALSA
[08:49] <ubuntu> When I try to move dir from one place to another, I can't overwrite, even when using -f?
[08:49] <Debian3x> hmm it been a while since i used the linux version dont think i used ALSA back then
[08:49] <beh> do you have write permisions
[08:49] <kriebly> what is the preferred sound lib these days?
[08:49] <ubuntu> beh, yes
[08:50] <beh> did u use -R
[08:50] <ubuntu> beh, what I'm trying to do is update a game (UT2k4)
[08:50] <ubuntu> Yes
[08:50] <beh> what does it say
[08:50] <ubuntu> mv: cannot overwrite directory `/usr/local/games/ut2004/Animations'
[08:51] <ubuntu> For several different dirs I try moving
[08:51] <Debian3x> Ubuntu at  85% done burning
[08:51] <epicenter> move the contents
[08:51] <epicenter> not the dirs
[08:51] <epicenter> mv animations/* whateverdir/animations/*
[08:51] <epicenter> let it replace the files inside.
[08:51] <epicenter> if you DID replace the dir you'd break UT2004
[08:51] <epicenter> by deleting anything not updated
[08:51] <ubuntu> epicenter, yeah I've done that, but there's so many files, I was hoping there'd be a quicker way for the next match
[08:52] <beh> well the * means everything inside
[08:52] <epicenter> see if an extraction tool will do it for you
[08:52] <jldugger_> man, he wasn't kidding, its like impossible to find the winex cvs
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: alsa has oss emulation... try this - "mpg321 -o oss FILE.MP3"
[08:53] <jirwin> would anyone know why synaptic is telling me transcode can't be found?
[08:53] <jldugger_> http://cvscedega.linux-gamers.net/WineCVS.sh    <-- maybe that will help?
[08:53] <beh> you dont have the right repositories enabled
[08:53] <ben_> hello
[08:54] <ben_> I just installed ubuntu today.. very impressive.. it's my first time installing linux and I have no reason to go back to windows now
[08:54] <beh> hi
[08:54] <beh> good to hear
[08:54] <epicenter> da_bon_bon: I assume Quake 3 does not have an oss parameter I can run
[08:54] <filip_> how can i log in as root?
[08:54] <epicenter> even if mpg321 does
[08:54] <epicenter> filip: you don't. sudo -s as a normal user
[08:55] <jldugger_> epicenter, pretty sure if q3 doesn't have alsa support, it runs oss native
[08:55] <jldugger_> so you dont need the option
[08:55] <epicenter> well it can't get audio
[08:55] <epicenter> it fails to open /dev/dsp
[08:55] <jldugger_> might have to kill esd
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: but alsa has oss emulation built in, so if someone calls for sound thro oss, alsa takes over and plays trough alsa
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> !
[08:55] <epicenter> I did
[08:55] <filip_> but i cant changes /etc/apt/sources.list..
[08:55] <filip_> how to do?
[08:55] <epicenter> da_bon_bon - Then why doesn't it happen?
[08:56] <epicenter> filip_ : sudo -s enter your password
[08:56] <epicenter> then edit the file, then exit
[08:56] <beh> filip_ type su root
[08:56] <jldugger_> epicenter, technically oss emulation is depricated
[08:56] <jdub> Annodex talk is on *now*: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8810/ (theatre), http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8811/ (screen) -> discuss in #annodex on freenode
[08:56] <jdub> ^ theora/vorbis streams
[08:56] <jdub> :-)
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: did the mp321 command work ?
[08:56] <epicenter> didn't try it
[08:56] <epicenter> I don't need mpg321 to do it :P
[08:56] <epicenter> I need quake 3 to
[08:57] <jldugger_> he wants to know if OSS emulation works
[08:57] <epicenter> I'll see.
[08:57] <epicenter> one moment.
[08:58] <jirwin> filip_, type 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:58] <epicenter> that command worked
[08:58] <epicenter> but it worked without the option too
[08:58] <jldugger_> yea
[08:58] <epicenter> how would I go about getting q3 running with OSS emulation?
[08:58] <jldugger_> without the option it uses alsa, with it, it uses OSS.
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> jldugger_ is right, epicenter
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> lemme think
[08:59] <epicenter> When I run Quake 3, I just get painful silence. :(
[08:59] <epicenter> I'm sure he is
[08:59] <epicenter> I just need to know how to apply this to apps besides MPG321
[08:59] <ells> is anyone having issues getting transcode
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> try runnin quake3 in a console and see if it returns any error message about sound ?
[08:59] <epicenter> it does indeed
[08:59] <epicenter> can't mmap /dev/dsp.
[09:00] <ac-id> lol...i left my machine doing a dist-upgrade last night from warty to Hoary, came back this morning and booted into Sarge
[09:00] <ac-id> rofl
[09:00] <jldugger_> do you even have a /dev/dsp ?
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> it will be nmap not mmap
[09:00] <epicenter> According to my friend who knows the quake series source like the back of his hand, there is no support for memory mapping in ALSA or OSS
[09:00] <epicenter> mmap.
[09:00] <filip_> when i whant to edit a file how shuold i do:S?
[09:00] <epicenter> Memory map
[09:00] <epicenter> nmap is totally different
[09:00] <eleusis> ?
[09:00] <epicenter> I have /dev/dsp. :P I can use audio in any other program.
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: try this -- cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[09:00] <epicenter> I HAVE A WORKING /DEV/DSP :p
[09:00] <jldugger_> and cover your ears
[09:00] <epicenter> I can use VLC, XMMS, anything
[09:00] <epicenter> I know, I don't need to be dropping files on my audio device
[09:01] <epicenter> I had to recompile Quake 1 to use SDL, because ALSA has no support for memory mapping
[09:01] <epicenter> which is what Quake 1-3 use to avoid latency problems
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: OSS USES /DEV/MIXER NOT /DEV/DSP --  and stop using caps, we are helping, and u r not doing us any favor
[09:01] <epicenter> they write straight into RAM
[09:01] <eleusis> q3 works fine with oss emulation
[09:01] <epicenter> OK, you're just not listening to me :P
[09:01] <filip_> how can i do for play mp3 i the music player?
[09:01] <epicenter> I think /dev/dsp is fine when I can play sound from any other app through it
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: do u have /dev/mixer ?
[09:01] <epicenter> filip_: What player?
[09:01] <epicenter> yes
[09:02] <epicenter> yes I do
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> filip_: what is your native language ?
[09:02] <epicenter> I'd assume french
[09:02] <epicenter> The spelling looks french
[09:02] <jldugger_> im guessing sweedish
[09:02] <filip_> i dont now what the name is on english but if i translate it correct from swedish it called musicplayer
[09:02] <epicenter> mplayer ..?
[09:03] <claint> now that 5.04 is released, we need to activate the updates source right?
[09:03] <epicenter> The most common are XMMS, Mplayer, mpg321
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> mabe xmms
[09:03] <filip_> mplayer
[09:03] <jldugger_> xmms-mp3
[09:03] <ben_> i have the best luck with VLC
[09:03] <epicenter> You should just be able to open the file nad it should play
[09:03] <epicenter> *and
[09:03] <filip_> not xmms
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> thers no #ubuntu-SWEDISH ??
[09:04] <filip_> it doesent support mp3
[09:04] <ben_> what are you guys using for ipods? i've been using gnupod but it would faster if it had a GUI.. i tried gtkpod but it didn't work on my shuffle
[09:04] <jldugger_> its probably ubuntu-svennerr or whatever they call themselves
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> ben_: well, i supposr gtkpod is the best u can get. i heard that suse had some kde kioslave for ipods too
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> suse 9.3
[09:05] <ben_> anyone been able to get gtkpod to work with the shuffle?
[09:05] <Debian3x> suse sold out
[09:05] <ben_> it seems to transfer but it doesn't play right.. the ipod color cycles like its corrupt
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> ben_: what version of gtkpod ?
[09:06] <kriebly> where were you trying to buy suse?
[09:06] <Debian3x> ?
[09:06] <kriebly> you must be able to buy it somewhere
[09:06] <filip_> i want to install vlc but i cant edit /etc/apt/sources.list....how to do??
[09:06] <thenuke> why you cant edit it :I
[09:06] <thenuke> not your box?
[09:06] <jldugger_> filip_, use synaptic and look under "Repositories"
[09:06] <ben_> verion 0.88 of gtkpod
[09:07] <Debian3x> no i said they Sold out  ....kinda like Redhat
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> ben_: http://www.aplus.co.yu/ipod/ipod-shuffle-file-structure/
[09:07] <filip_> doesent have the rights..
[09:07] <kriebly> what do you mean? both suse and redhat are businesses
[09:07] <ben_> i understand the file structure fine
[09:07] <Debian3x> before they were Distros
[09:08] <kriebly> no
[09:08] <ben_> but gtkpod doesnt work for my shuffle..
[09:08] <thenuke> filip_: ask the admin to install vlc if you are not the admin of the box
[09:08] <kriebly> they were always businesses
[09:08] <kriebly> always
[09:08] <ben_> i have to use gnupod, which is the command line version that gtkpod is based on
[09:08] <scott> is there a log of what packages I've installed recently?
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> ben_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/280679
[09:08] <scott> like in the last hour..
[09:08] <Debian3x> lmao im not going to argue about
[09:08] <filip_> cant find Repositories
[09:08] <ian> kriebly: perhaps by "sold out" he means "got rich"
[09:08] <_blue> does ubuntu have supermount or magicdev
[09:08] <_blue> ?
[09:09] <kriebly> redhat contributeslotsof code, and you can get their commercial distro...taolinux
[09:09] <Debian3x> ian not only rich but "Greedy"
[09:09] <_blue> or when it doesnt mount my partitions, is that some sort of bug
[09:09] <filip_> but i am the only one how use ubuntu
[09:09] <kriebly> no...they got poor...at least Redhat did
[09:09] <ben_> yeah ive read that too.. been googling for a while now
[09:09] <kriebly> internet bubble burst and they had to downsize
[09:09] <epicenter> WELL Cedega seems amazing. :P I told it, 'cedega mspaint.exe'. WINE: UNHANDLED EXCEPTION starting debugger .. then went into an infinite loop
[09:09] <filip_> can i dont log in as root??
[09:09] <ben_> i found a few others that had the same problem.. i think i should try reformatting the ipod
[09:10] <epicenter> Not only does it crash immediately, they left Wine's name in
[09:10] <jldugger_> epicenter, you have a subscription?
[09:10] <epicenter> no
[09:10] <jldugger_> the cvs version of software that the owners plan to sell works poorly.
[09:10] <epicenter> a magical program called Bit Torrent ran itself and Cedega appared on my desktop
[09:10] <epicenter> I'm at a loss of words to explain it
[09:10] <jldugger_> Couldn't have seen that comin'.
[09:11] <jldugger_> heh
[09:11] <epicenter> ;)
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> cedega isn't built to run mspaint
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> if you want to run mspaint
[09:11] <epicenter> It's built on WINE.
[09:11] <epicenter> It should run any program wine did
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> better to.. go off and do something else
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: it's quite different in many ways
[09:11] <freewoody> How do I disable GDM at Startup ?
[09:11] <epicenter>  HrdwrBoB: that was a less than useful explanation
[09:11] <jldugger_> maybe it subscribes to the Kazaa movie theory
[09:11] <Adross> to anyone who still has doubts, Hoary hedgehog rocks
[09:12] <epicenter> haha.
[09:12] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: as is 'cedega won't run mspaint, omg it suxxxxx'
[09:12] <filip_> why the cant i edit etc/apt/sources.list:??
[09:12] <goldfish> filip_: using sudo ?
[09:12] <jirwin> has anyone installed transcode successfully?
[09:12] <epicenter> Well, that tells me it sucks in this realm: "This man cannot lift a basketball.  When I enter cedega quake3.exe it doesn't do anything. It jumps back to console.
[09:13] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: if you want to run games, use cedega, if you don't like it, don't use it
[09:13] <Adross> this is ubuntu
[09:13] <Adross> sudo uses your own password
[09:13] <eyequeue> Debian3x:  there is no root password in ubuntu
[09:13] <Debian3x> i do in slackware
[09:13] <HrdwrBoB> .. quake3 has a native version
[09:13] <jldugger_> Adross, you can make one.
[09:13] <epicenter> I do intend to run games but I wanted to test it on something lighter.
[09:13] <Adross> yes, i know
[09:13] <jldugger_> sudo passwd root
[09:13] <jldugger_> bam.
[09:13] <epicenter> HrdwrBoB: IT DOESN'T WORK WITH ALSA
[09:13] <jirwin> Debian3x....you could do single user mode in grub and change it
[09:13] <Adross> u can also cut your own arm off
[09:13] <epicenter> We went over this at length
[09:13] <eyequeue> Debian3x:  this is #ubuntu
[09:13] <Adross> fact is, most people don
[09:13] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: that's incorrect
[09:13] <Adross> 't
[09:14] <HrdwrBoB> it does not work out of the box with alsa
[09:14] <rparker_> hello
[09:14] <HrdwrBoB> however you can make it work
[09:14] <rparker_> just briefly popped in
[09:14] <epicenter> HrdwrBoB: Every person I speak to who has used Quake 3 tells me it can't work with ALSA
[09:14] <rparker_> just managed to get Ubuntu up for first time
[09:14] <epicenter> as it uses memory mapping and  that is unsupported
[09:14] <rparker_> on Virtual PC
[09:14] <Adross> liking it?
[09:14] <epicenter> did Ubuntu use viagra or wasit natural?
[09:14] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: they are (not to put to fine a point on it) talking out their bum
[09:14] <rparker_> lovign it
[09:14] <rparker_> I have been trying to move to Linux for ages
[09:14] <epicenter> HrdwrBoB: is there a resource I should read about using Q3 with Alsa then?
[09:15] <epicenter> and what of other programs?
[09:15] <epicenter> cedega seems quite the POS.
[09:15] <rparker_> But waiting until it looked this good
[09:15] <kriebly> the free cedega you mean...
[09:15] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter:
[09:15] <HrdwrBoB> echo "quake3.x86 0 0 direct" | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[09:15] <HrdwrBoB> echo "quake3.x86 0 0 disable" |sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[09:15] <epicenter> The commercial cedega
[09:15] <epicenter> the one that magically appeared on my desktop
[09:15] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: cedega works for a reasonable amount of games and it works reasonably well
[09:15] <epicenter> well it doesn't even try to run now
[09:16] <HrdwrBoB> I use it to play warcraft 3 and world of warcraft
[09:16] <epicenter> it just spits me to the console with no messages
[09:16] <kriebly> the magical cedega may be magically hobbled
[09:16] <jldugger_> perhaps your magic has been bested by TransGaming
[09:16] <HrdwrBoB> epicenter: you've probably got winesevrer still running
[09:16] <Debian3x> HrdwrBob do you know if someone has use cedega for FFXI
[09:16] <HrdwrBoB> Debian3x: no idea
[09:16] <epicenter> oh god
[09:16] <epicenter> it EXECUTED WINE 90 TIMES.
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> ben_: http://www.webservertalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2331158#post2331158
[09:17] <jldugger_> Debian3x, If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: are u trying to run quake3 on wine ?
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> Debian3x: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[09:17] <kriebly> google groups search...
[09:17] <jldugger_> and if a geek runs ffxi successfully, does he ever emerge to tell others of it?
[09:17] <kriebly> heh...my private paradise...
[09:17] <epicenter> da_bon_bon: Quake 1 as a test
[09:17] <epicenter> a GL engine for Quake 1
[09:18] <kriebly> actually, i would expect a victories geek to tell everyone
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> jldugger_: ?
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: but is WINE ?
[09:18] <kriebly> victorious
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> jldugger_: that is incorrect
[09:18] <jldugger_> HrdwrBoB, it would be funny though. given the circumstances
[09:18] <epicenter> is WINE what?
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[09:18] <epicenter> trying to run Q3? No.
[09:18] <epicenter> jldugger_: It doesn't? :P
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: ok, u have the linux version of quake3, right ?
[09:19] <ben_> da_bon_bon: if only that worked for me.. i've got it mounted right.. it seems to copy right.. just doesnt play after i unmount and test
[09:19] <epicenter> da_bon_bon: yes
[09:19] <filip_> when i run..run as an diffrent user and i whant to run as root..i whant edit /etc/apt/sources.list...what program should i run?
[09:19] <epicenter> Once I killed all 400 of the Wine processes Cedega spawned, it ran Darkplaces Q1 properly. OK, I'm less pissed now
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: did u google ?! --- http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Make_sound_work_with_ALSA_and_Quake3/Enemy-Territory
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> ben_: ohok.. :(
[09:20] <Debian3x> of course it makes a sound psyics says so
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/33/2005/02/2/287435
[09:20] <epicenter> Thanks, I'll read them
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: please, in future, before asking, PLEASE use google
[09:21] <_blue> does ubuntu have supermount or magicdev, b/c its not automounting any of my partitions
[09:21] <_blue> ??
[09:21] <epicenter> I did.. :P
[09:21] <epicenter> this didn't come up.
[09:21] <epicenter> Oh well.
[09:22] <jldugger_>  epicenter to be fair, its the first hit for "linux quake 3 no sound"
[09:22] <epicenter> I Was too specific, I think.
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: how ? u put in your quake serial number and ur machine ip ! ? :P
[09:23] <jirwin> lol
[09:23] <jldugger_> pssh. no quake serial. it came magically on his desktop
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> or coutesy of www.torrentspy.com ?
[09:24] <jldugger_> something like that
[09:24] <fenglin> i want to install GCC........what shoud i do ?
[09:24] <bob2> fenglin: install build-essential
[09:25] <epicenter> that said .. it doesn't work
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> damn! now even i want it. but over a 2kbps connection, downloading will be hell :) ;)
[09:25] <epicenter> Same problem as before except, now I don't get get 'can't mmap /dev/dsp' I also get 'dev/dsp INPUT/OUTPUT error'?
[09:25] <epicenter> :P
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: the console wont come up ?
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: kde / gnome ?
[09:25] <epicenter> of course it will.
[09:26] <epicenter> KDE.
[09:26] <epicenter> I set the value it mentioned, to pick /dev/adsp
[09:26] <fenglin> bob2   what it mean "Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)"
[09:26] <epicenter> but, it still goes to /dsp
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: have u setup up software sound mixing ?
[09:26] <epicenter> I'll try editing it in my config file
[09:26] <epicenter> I have artsd going
[09:26] <epicenter> tried killing it
[09:27] <fenglin> when i running :"~$ sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[09:27] <bob2> fenglin: I don't know what you're talking about
[09:27] <goldfish> lol
[09:27] <epicenter> it wasn't a full thought
[09:27] <epicenter> finish your sentence, fenglin
[09:28] <kriebly> don't you sometimes wonder....?
[09:28] <fenglin> thanks for your help .  bob2
[09:28] <fenglin> thanks for your help .  epicenter
[09:30] <epicenter> I didn't do anything but OK
[09:30] <epicenter> no prob
[09:31] <ritalin> anyone here have a clue why ruby wont work on my rig?
[09:31] <epicenter> wow, I can give q3 this command all day and it still uses /dev/dsp
[09:31] <epicenter> how fungal
[09:31] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: well, listen carefully. in kde control, sound, sound system, hardware, set audio device to "advanced ,...." check fulle duplex,  checke override device location, and put it to be "plug:dmix" ... then restart ... then do "artsdsp QUAKE_EXEC_FILE" .. then see if it works, ... if it wont, try the snddevecs /dev/adsp trick... then report back here
[09:31] <ritalin> it installed properly but irb,ruby etc give nothing
[09:32] <ritalin> i checked my path and it seems to be in it
[09:32] <epicenter> There, it looks for /dev/adsp
[09:32] <epicenter> it then can't find it
[09:32] <epicenter> alsa-oss IS installed, too.
[09:33] <da_bon_bon> alsa oss doesnt matter
[09:33] <da_bon_bon> did u do what i said
[09:33] <da_bon_bon>  ?
[09:33] <epicenter> plug:dmix cannot be opened for capture, invalid argument when I apply
[09:33] <epicenter> should that happen? :P
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> which sound card ?!
[09:34] <epicenter> ac97 onboard audio
[09:34] <epicenter> nforce3.
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> epicenter: actually, just disregard the error message
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> and restart
[09:34] <epicenter> eesh
[09:34] <epicenter> ok
[09:34] <epicenter> brb.
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> make sure it is plug:dmix
[09:35] <jldugger_> heh
[09:36] <ailleantsian> i was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out with a bit of a problem ... im completely new to linux
[09:36] <ritalin> :)
[09:37] <ritalin> Just ask man
[09:37] <ritalin> altough if its about ruby 1.8 you're fucked
[09:37] <ice_1963> how do i chang background in fluxbox ??? =)
[09:37] <eyequeue> ritalin:  ruby with no arguments awaits input
[09:37] <ice_1963> pl
[09:38] <ritalin> ice_1963: you need an externel app
[09:38] <ritalin> I always liked feh
[09:38] <eyequeue>  $ ruby --version
[09:38] <eyequeue> ruby 1.8.2 (2004-12-23) [i386-linux]
[09:38] <ritalin> eyequeue: you on ppc?
[09:38] <eyequeue> Riddell:  no i386 it says :)
[09:38] <ritalin> doh
[09:38] <ritalin> sorry
[09:38] <ritalin> just woke up
[09:38] <eyequeue> np
[09:38] <epicenter> Well, now artsd bitches at boot that there is no plug:dmix
[09:38] <epicenter> I think this isn't gonna work too well
[09:39] <ailleantsian> okies i have a wireless broadcom ( belkin brand) and in ndiswrapper it says its supports it ... went to the broadcom site and it has drivers  for redhat, fedora and suse ... i downloaded what they asked me to with the ndiswrapper but the system sees my wifi as a blockvolume
[09:39] <ailleantsian> and drivers seem to not work
[09:39] <epicenter> you use ndiswrapper to load WINDOWS drivers
[09:39] <epicenter> if you have Linux ones .. just install them :P
[09:39] <ritalin> ice_1963: feh is a kick ass image viewer/background setter, you can do all kinds of neat shit with it
[09:40] <ailleantsian> i have had to use windows drivers and have do it as instructed
[09:40] <ice_1963> ok
[09:40] <epicenter> ndiswrapper is a mess. USe the linux drivers provided
[09:40] <b2s> ailleantsian: afaik, broadcom only supplies *ethernet* drivers for linux
[09:40] <geneo93> ey
[09:41] <b2s> that being said, my broadcom wireless works flawlessly so far under linux with ndiswrapper-1.1 :)
[09:41] <ritalin> b2s: I know i sadly have my ibook plugged into my wi-fi router as we speak :'(
[09:41] <ailleantsian> that is how i am connected at the moment pluged into router ...but i really need the wifi to work :(
[09:41] <eyequeue> b2s:  btw, the solution here was to dump esound for polypaudio
[09:42] <b2s> I couldn't get the ubuntu version of ndiswrapper working at all, but the one from the ndiswrapper site worked great once I figured out how to make amd64 debs from the tarball
[09:42] <ailleantsian> could the problem be that u justed usedthendiswrappers that came with ubuntu?
[09:42] <ritalin> ou guys read the slashdot post by debian founder?
[09:42] <ritalin> he doesnt seem to happy with ubuntu
[09:43] <Bazzi> why should he?
[09:43] <b2s> ritalin: why wouldn't he be happy with ubuntu?  they've been contributing back
[09:43] <Bazzi> ubuntu is stealing all his fame ;D
[09:43] <ritalin> he said major compatiabily issues
[09:43] <Arnia> He wants Ubuntu to be compatible with Sarge rather than Sid from what I can make out
[09:43] <ritalin> hoary .debs wont build on sarge
[09:43] <Bazzi> ritalin well maybe its just me but debian sid debs worked for me so far
[09:44] <eyequeue> like sid packages won't run on woody, lol
[09:44] <Arnia> That's cos Hoary tracks Sid
[09:44] <ritalin> I think its a good thing, maybe debian will get off their ass and have regular releases
[09:45] <eyequeue> b2s:  woody is their current stable, sid is their unstable, and sarge is something vague in between the two, which ubuntu doesn't have
[09:45] <ritalin> woody is also from 1994 pretty much
[09:45] <ritalin> worthless
[09:46] <b2s> I never really got the point of having both unstable and testing.
[09:46] <epicenter> Debian's a good idea and it works well, and apt like a ray of light from the heavens
[09:46] <epicenter> but Debian has software in UNSTABLE that is 2 years old
[09:46] <epicenter> and Stable could run a life support machine
[09:46] <epicenter> that's a bit TOO stable
[09:46] <eyequeue> b2s:  that was a concession to their hideouly long release cycles
[09:46] <b2s> but they don't have security updates for either of them do they?
[09:46] <eleusis> you do realise that there's a lot of packages from Sid in Ubuntu, yes? :P
[09:47] <eyequeue> b2s:  sarge has no security, correct
[09:47] <eyequeue> b2s:  sid theoretically doesn't need it
[09:47] <b2s> eleusis: there's nothing wrong with using the packages that work from sid, the question is which ones do? ;P
[09:47] <bob2> trolling about Debian is off-topic here, sorry
[09:47] <b2s> heh
[09:47] <bob2> especially such misinformed trolling
[09:48] <jfk303> Does anyone know if there are any codecs or anything to get Music Player working with .mpc?
[09:48] <eleusis> ian murdock's point was that package compatibility issues between ubuntu and Debian may eventually lead the DEB packaging format to what RPM is like
[09:48] <b2s> yeah, what were we talking about before anyway? ;)
[09:48] <ailleantsian> how do you log on ubuntu as admin ?
[09:48] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  no such thing
[09:48] <eleusis> i.e. DEB packages built for one distro don't work for another distro
[09:48] <b2s> ailleantsian: if you want to for some reason, you can always sudo bash
[09:48] <ritalin> yeah it has OS X like root
[09:48] <bob2> ailleantsian: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:48] <ritalin> sudo
[09:48] <bob2> eleusis: that's already the case
[09:49] <epicenter> If Debian didn't progress so slowly there'd be no problem
[09:49] <ailleantsian> but i cant get permission to move anything to folders or anything ?
[09:49] <eleusis> epicenter: why is that?
[09:49] <ritalin> just sudo su when you log in to work unrestricted
[09:49] <epicenter> I see ubuntu's autoconfiguration as its trongest suit, not its modern package set
[09:49] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  sudo
[09:49] <epicenter> The whole issue is that Debian's SARGE is "unstable" and still OLD.
[09:49] <ritalin> and by work i mean look at pron and chat on irc
[09:49] <epicenter> So is Sid!
[09:49] <bob2> epicenter: please stop it
[09:49] <eleusis> i often hear that "if debian released stuff more often, ubuntu would not have been needed"
[09:49] <epicenter> and people using Ubuntu, based on Debian, are getting packages that are modern
[09:50] <b2s> eleusis: I don't see what's the big deal.  the only problem I have is that rebuilding debs is hard, where as rebuilding rpms is just "rpmbuild --rebuild http://server/path/to/somethin.src.rpm"
[09:50] <epicenter> bob2: I imagine you're saying that because you hang out in #debian all the time?
[09:50] <ailleantsian> i hate to sound completely daft but what is sudo
[09:50] <epicenter> I like Debian, don't get me wrong.
[09:50] <bob2> epicenter: no, because you're trolling and wrong
[09:50] <eyequeue> ritalin:  i think pron as user would be wiser than pron as root
[09:50] <bob2> epicenter: enough
[09:50] <epicenter> For machines I don't want KDE and Gnome and 5 gigs of stuff installed once I finish the installer, I'll use Debian in a heartbeatr
[09:50] <epicenter> *beat
[09:50] <eleusis> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[09:50] <Bazzi> ohnoes
[09:51] <egibbs2> ailleantsian command to allow you to run as root a program
[09:51] <eyequeue> ritalin:  pron sites typically have a reputation as infection-spreaders, spyware,etc
[09:51] <epicenter> except the ones you sign up for ;)
[09:51] <eyequeue> epicenter:  ubuntu instaler supports "server" option
[09:51] <epicenter> Then they get your money WITHOUT malicious software
[09:51] <epicenter> eyequeue: True, but sometimes you do want to do it the Debian Way and configure it yourself
[09:52] <epicenter> I love how much control Debian gives you without all the mess
[09:52] <epicenter> I'm not bashing Debian at all. I'm just saying the Package Fiasco would not have occurred if the repositories were updated more often
[09:52] <egibbs2> ailleantsian  better to use sudo -  then your root p/w
[09:52] <bob2> there is no package fiasco
[09:52] <epicenter> Debian's creator seems to think there is
[09:52] <bob2> sid is almost always very up to date
[09:52] <bob2> debian's creator is completely uninvolved in Debian
[09:53] <xiaogil> How to set the default brower in Ubuntu ?
[09:53] <epicenter> Its installer was still broken last i Used it, and when I got it installed, nothing was very modern
[09:53] <bob2> and has been for many many years
[09:53] <bob2> epicenter: enough
[09:53] <eleusis> package fiasco?
[09:53] <epicenter> Uh, you made your point, am I allowed to reply? :P
[09:53] <bob2> no
[09:53] <ailleantsian> thankyou i have just found that.... with my wifi card would it be better to used the ndiswrapper version fromthe site or the one that comes with ubuntu?
[09:53] <bob2> we're both done
[09:53] <epicenter> You can continue as long as you want but I can't respond?
[09:53] <epicenter> fine
[09:53] <bob2> thanks
[09:53] <eyequeue> eleusis:  see ian murdock's comments on slashdot
[09:53] <b2s> xiaogil: system menu -> preferences -> preferred applications
[09:53] <bob2> #ubuntu-offtopic if you really want to continue this
[09:54] <eleusis> what's his slashdot username?
[09:54] <epicenter> I just have one comment to make then, I'll do so there
[09:54] <zemantic> anyone know how to temp suspend my sound daemon so I can run mplayer?  the framerate with totem is really bad
[09:54] <eyequeue> eleusis:  a story there links to his blog, i don't know that he posted to /. himself, it's in the articale
[09:55] <eleusis> yes, i've read the blog post
[09:55] <eyequeue> eleusis:  that was the trigger for the aboive conversation
[09:55] <b2s> xiaogil: did that solve your problem?
[09:56] <xiaogil> b2s: i found it, but it is set to :sensible-browser %s
[09:56] <fubz> howcome if i take icons from gnome-look.org and apply them in gnome they don't work? ubuntu only uses the default gnome icons?
[09:57] <xiaogil> b2s: the problemn is that each time i open my mail from Gaim, it uses Nvu instead of Firefox
[09:58] <b2s> mine is set to "mozilla-firefox %s"... but I haven't tested gaim I don't think
[09:58] <ailleantsian> what is the password for root as it doesnt seem to be the same one i have for my login ?
[09:58] <jirwin> I was curious if anyone has mapped extra buttons on the mouse...I used to have the side buttons work as back and forward in firefox
[09:58] <jirwin> ailleantsian, are you using sudo?
[09:58] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  there is none
[09:58] <jirwin> ailleantsian, use 'sudo command'
[09:58] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  root is disabled for safety reasons
[09:58] <ailleantsian> i think so .. its the run as another user
[09:58] <jirwin> ailleantsian, and then enter your user password
[09:59] <freex> hi
[09:59] <jirwin> hi
[09:59] <ailleantsian> where do i find or run the sudo command?
[09:59] <eyequeue> ailleantsian:  in your terminal
[10:00] <freex> you can actually change that
[10:00] <freex> with this "sudo passwd"
[10:00] <xiaogil> b2s: i wrote mozilla-firefox %s like you, but still, the problem persist, anyway, that's not a big problem
[10:00] <freex> then your account password
[10:00] <freex> then u enter the new password
[10:01] <freex> i just want to get a feedback?
[10:01] <freex> wat apps good for CD Burning?
[10:01] <b2s> xiaogil: oh well, I looked to see if I could see a gaim setting that might be weird, but I don't see any
[10:01] <freex> am open for suggestions
[10:02] <eyequeue> gnomebaker is in hoary universe
[10:02] <b2s> freex: I've heard k3b is the best thing for burning, but it is a kde app I believe
[10:02] <freex> yah but that will be in KDE right
[10:02] <pepsi> presumable, the release of hoary is why i am no longer receiving updates?
[10:03] <jirwin> freex, cdrecord :)
[10:03] <freex> and i dont want to end up installing KDE core in ubuntu
[10:03] <pepsi> presumably, that is
[10:03] <fubz> can anyone answer me?
[10:03] <fubz> dont tell me ur all using a stock gnome desktop
[10:03] <geneo91> you can install it ok
[10:03] <jirwin> pepsi, i believe that they are suppose to support warty for 18 months or so
[10:03] <freex> hehehe
[10:03] <freex> am sticking to gnome stuff
[10:03] <pepsi> naw im running hoary, but miss my daily updates
[10:03] <freex> :)
[10:03] <b2s> fubz: I installed yesterday, so yes, I am still using the default :)
[10:04] <eyequeue> pepsi:  then change to breezy once it is out
[10:04] <jirwin> what is good for customizing gnome?
[10:04] <ailleantsian> thankyou all for your help and patience :)
[10:04] <Hedgehog> it feels weird to be using linux and not having to fix something.. everything is actually working and i'm a total moron.. i need a new challenge
[10:04] <goldfish> Hedgehog: debian unstable
[10:04] <b2s> Hedgehog: get a broadcom wireless adapter and install it
[10:04] <Hedgehog> hehe
[10:04] <jirwin> heh
[10:04] <jbmigel> i thought ubuntu was debian unstable
[10:04] <geneo91> i'd wait a while before i change
[10:05] <eyequeue> Hedgehog:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:05] <pepsi> oh they changed grumpy to breezy?
[10:05] <goldfish> Write quicksort algorithm in assembly.
[10:05] <pepsi> i rather liked the qualities-of-a-bad-date naming scheme
[10:05] <geneo91> jbmigel:  it is
[10:05] <goldfish> That's a challenge.
[10:05] <pepsi> warty, hoary, and grumpy ;)
[10:05] <eyequeue> Hedgehog:  write some app, it will be buggy, lather repeat rinse
[10:06] <b2s> pepsi: except its breezy not grumpy... though I suppose a breezy date would be pretty unfortunate
[10:06] <xukun> I'm trying to configure an LDAP contact list in Evolution but the LDAP option
[10:06] <xukun> remains shaded out. Do specific packages need to be installed to add
[10:06] <xukun> LDAP support?
[10:06] <jirwin> i may sound stupid...but what did fubz mean by standard gnome desktop?
[10:06] <fubz> jirwin, if i install any icon sets from gnome-look.org they dont work
[10:06] <fubz> the gtk themes work
[10:07] <fubz> but i cannot get rid of the ugly gnome icon theme
[10:07] <teratorn> I'm got a really messed up problem with cups... some fantom program is connecting the IPP server on <IP_ADDRESS> many times per second.... i can see the traffic flying by using ethereal listing on the lo interface.
[10:07] <teratorn> *I've
[10:07] <jirwin> fubz, ahh I see
[10:07] <teratorn> can't figure out what the program is
[10:07] <Hedgehog> eyequeue: I don't know how to write apps yet. I'm a total newbie. Still wondering how I got this far
[10:07] <geneo91> jirwin:  no extra repositories
[10:07] <fubz> afaik u extract a set into ~/.icons and open ur theme manager to select them
[10:07] <teratorn> netstat --program only shows a - for the pid/process column
[10:07] <fubz> which i can do however the theme doesnt change
[10:07] <jirwin> geneo91, ??
[10:08] <jirwin> is gdesklets any good?
[10:08] <xukun> is there a irc for evolution?
[10:08] <geneo91> you need to add things to get full impact of what you have
[10:09] <teratorn> anyone know how once is supposed to track down the program responsible for sockets under linux?
[10:09] <teratorn> s/once/one/
[10:09] <geneo91> evolution is mail man
[10:09] <jirwin> geneo91, i don't understand what you are talking about
[10:09] <ailleantsian> when you type in ndiswrapper -l is it supposedto say like driver present only or ment to list the device as well ?
[10:10] <geneo91> have you added universe and multiuniverse and up dated
[10:10] <jirwin> geneo91, yes...what would give you the idea i didn't?
[10:11] <Morten_> How much do I gain, if i upgrade from 5.04-rc to 5.04 finale?
[10:11] <geneo91> like kde 3.4 and the like
[10:11] <Morten_> any major things?
[10:11] <eyequeue> Morten_:  just dist-upgrade, you're online
[10:12] <Morten_> ohh
[10:12] <Morten_> okay, thx
[10:12] <Morten_> :)
[10:12] <odyssey> anyone know why usb devices would not automount under hal?
[10:12] <eyequeue> Morten_:  sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:12] <Morten_> ill do that, thank you :)
[10:12] <eyequeue> np
[10:14] <Hedgehog> is there a way to change the color sceme in ubuntu? i want dark blue instead of brown
[10:14] <jirwin> Hedgehog, check prefrences
[10:15] <St0n3-C0l> Hedgehog: Right click on the desktop -> Desktop Background
[10:15] <eyequeue> Hedgehog:  right click on the desktop
[10:15] <Hedgehog> that was too easy
[10:16] <Morten_> :D
[10:16] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[10:18] <duken> how to take screenshot instalation proses ubuntu ?
[10:19] <geneo91> print screen works for me
[10:21] <epicenter> I have a Ubuntu-AMD64 and a ubuntu-i386 partition, if I want to run 32-bit programs that won't run in AMD64 ... how do I chroot over to the 32-bit one?
[10:22] <snowblink> has ubuntu calendar stopped?
[10:23] <pointwood> anyone knows what I need to do to get sound working in VLC?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> use eds as sound daemon
[10:24] <pointwood> how do I do that because I don't seem to be able to find that
[10:24] <jsgotangco> hold on
[10:24] <epicenter> pointwood: Usually, kill esd or artsd when you run it :P
[10:25] <jsgotangco> settings->preferences->audio
[10:25] <epicenter> there are also workarounds
[10:25] <jsgotangco> click on advnaced options in audio and select ESound audio output
[10:25] <pointwood> I don't have ESound there :(
[10:26] <teratorn> so I think I figured out that gnome-cups-icon is responsible for spamming the cups service on localhost (port 631). But I don't know how to get rid of gnome-cups-icon.
[10:26] <pointwood> wait
[10:26] <teratorn> I can kill the process, but it gets respawned by something...
[10:26] <teratorn> and i have no cups icon...
[10:26] <teratorn> it's just running in the background connecting to port 631 over, and over, and over again
[10:27] <pointwood> thx for the help
[10:27] <pointwood> needed that plugin of course
[10:28] <mishof> I have a dvd on which I've burned a folder which was "hidden" under windows, and couple of other files. Now i can see the other files but not the hidden folder .. i tried ctrl+h but it doesnt help
[10:28] <ailleantsian> im trying to find a post online where someone has sucessfully installed and got working y wifi pcimca card !
[10:29] <teratorn> mishof: eh. are you sure it actually got burned?
[10:29] <joshuaati> is ubuntu fast
[10:29] <teratorn> joshuaati: yeah double plus fast
[10:30] <camcorder> joshuaati: well it's faster than any OS that uses Gnome 2.8. I think sayign that is fair ;P
[10:30] <camcorder> joshuaati: but it's almost same speed w/ any os having Gnome 2.10, if you find anything else though
[10:31] <b2s> epicenter: did anyone answer the chroot thing? you'd probably do something like sudo chroot /path/to/mounted/32bit/part/ or something..
[10:31] <mishof> teratorn, yeah ... i know its weird.. but i see that folder while using windose. and i  saw it using mandrake too
[10:31] <mishof> maybe something wrong in my fstab is causing that o.o
[10:32] <pont> whats a jre I can install on ubuntu
[10:32] <pont> ?
[10:32] <mishof> pont, there's a guide over here ubuntuguide.org
[10:32] <iso-away> java runtime env
[10:33] <topyli> pont: get the java-package package and build a deb from sun's official java
[10:33] <pont> don't have blackdown jre ?
[10:34] <topyli> pont: sure but i'd get java from sun. they should know how it works best
[10:34] <pont> one sec
[10:34] <pont> thats not going to work
[10:35] <topyli> no?
[10:35] <pont> I need to get it from ibm or blackdown
[10:35] <pont> IBM's jre is quite nice too :)
[10:35] <topyli> pont: well if you really want ibm or blackdown java for some reason, then of course it's different
[10:36] <pont> topyli, powerpc here
[10:36] <topyli> ah
[10:37] <topyli> and sun doesn't make java for that? dogs :)
[10:37] <pont> I don't think so
[10:37] <geneo91> you want sun
[10:37] <pont> IBM does since its there product :P
[10:38] <topyli> i'd guess they would :)
[10:38] <epicenter> b2s: Then I can successfully run 32-bit apps without incident?
[10:39] <fenglin> "Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)"   <------- what is this?
[10:40] <topyli> fenglin: it's a linux distro :)
[10:40] <teratorn> fenglin: looks like sekret alien technology
[10:40] <teratorn> fenglin: WHERE DID YO UGET IT!!
[10:40] <susanne1729> is there a problem with the hoary-security repository?
[10:40] <susanne1729> I cant connect
[10:41] <daleboRt> I've got a bit of an upgrade problem. I did an upgrade from the cd, and it broke my x-server. I can't seem to install the fglrx video drivers again. Says my x-server is too old.
[10:41] <fenglin> when i am run "sudo apt-get install gcc"
[10:42] <helloyo> are there no updates for hoary yet?
[10:42] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:43] <fenglin> yes
[10:43] <susanne1729> I got a lot of: Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[10:43] <susanne1729>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[10:43] <susanne1729>  when doing apt-get upgrade
[10:43] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[10:44] <maswan> susanne1729: works fine for me now
[10:44] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg [189B]
[10:44] <djp> hi all. does anyone know how to get .pls files to play using rhythmbox just by clicking on a link using firefox? at present i am manually setting up radio stations in rhythmbox...
[10:45] <bluefire> Is anyone proficient in mplayer?
[10:45] <joshuaati> what is sudo?
[10:45] <pont> JDK 5.0 is supported on i586 Intel and 100% compatible platforms running Linux.  Definatly cant get suns JRE
[10:45] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  ping security.ubuntu.com
[10:46] <topyli> djp: that's what i would like to know too
[10:46] <susanne1729> eyequeue, pinging works
[10:46] <bluefire> or rather, is there any particular folder to put downloaded apps in, to be installed?
[10:46] <epicenter> is there a way to MAKE apt get wine from the winehq source I added? It keeps trying to get an old version from a ubuntu repository.
[10:46] <susanne1729> eyequeue, opening the website with firefox works too
[10:46] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  ummmmmm
[10:47] <djp> topyli: i was sure it was working with the version of rhythmbox under warty, but i may be mistaken.
[10:47] <eyequeue> susanne1729: PING security.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.  <susanne1729>   Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[10:47] <pont> LOL ibm has a broken link on there page :P
[10:47] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  two different ip addresses
[10:47] <pont> htps:// insted of https://
[10:47] <ice_1963> sudo passwd root and chang it to what you wont ok
[10:47] <topyli> djp: that's possible. i'm so used to copy/pasting urls into rb that i might not have even tried cllicking in warty :)
[10:48] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  apparently .151 is behaving and .138 is not?
[10:48] <ice_1963> =)
[10:48] <bluefire> :(
[10:49] <ice_1963> why
[10:49] <susanne1729> eyequeue, ah ok, and why does apt-get resolves security.ubuntu.com to a non-working IP?
[10:49] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  random, round-robin dns
[10:49] <eyequeue> susanne1729:  try re-running the command
[10:50] <susanne1729> eyequeue, still fails
[10:50] <ice_1963> gnome is very good but i like fluxbox to =)
[10:50] <mishof> problem- I have no sound in games ... but I hear sound fine on xmms,xine and other desktop programs ..
[10:51] <ubuntu> I've just installed glade, but I'm unable to generate code in Python. I also have python-glade2 installed, any ideas why this might be?
[10:51] <topyli> ice_1963: well, they're two completely different things. you either have a desktop environment or you don't :)
[10:51] <topyli> ice_1963: sometimes of course you don't want one
[10:52] <geneo91> mishof:  your being punished by the game goddess
[10:52] <mishof> =(
[10:52] <topyli> susanne1729: if you want to check for updates, a workaround is to put the correct ip in sources.list i guess
[10:52] <mishof> geneo91, any help ?
[10:53] <geneo91> well i'm cheating right now so i cant
[10:53] <topyli> mishof: i bet it's esd blocking the sound device
[10:53] <geneo91> mishof:  try kill esd
[10:53] <susanne1729> topyli, I made following entry in sources.list: deb http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[10:53] <eyequeue> mishof:  i changed from esound to polypaudio with success
[10:53] <smhar> anybody checked the story in slashdot about the relationshipdebian and Ubuntu
[10:53] <mishof> ill try
[10:54] <topyli> susanne1729: does apt-get update work then?
[10:54] <Choubaka> Slashdot is late as always :p
[10:54] <ice_1963> topyli you are right i have gnome fluxbox installed need a desktop use gnome
[10:54] <susanne1729> topyli and got following error: Err http://<IP_ADDRESS> hoary-security Release.gpg
[10:54] <susanne1729>   Could not connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[10:54] <mishof> yay kill esd works ! but now i guess i cant hear other sounds ... how can i combine ? :\
[10:55] <topyli> susanne1729: hrm
[10:55] <topyli> mishof: edit /etc/esound/esd.conf
[10:56] <topyli> mishof: auto_spawn=1, and spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 2
[10:56] <topyli> at least :)
[10:56] <mishof> topyli, ill try - what will it do?
[10:56] <geneo91> susanne1729:  it could be server is full
[10:57] <topyli> mishof: esd will die when nothing requests for it, freeing the sound device. when something wants esd, it will respawn
[10:57] <Hedgehog> what is the best mediaplayer for ubuntu? so far vlc is the *only* one that can play everything i have.. xine has a better ui but it studders on some avi and crashes on some mpeg
[10:57] <susanne1729> geneo91, hm... maybe.. but I have been trying it for 2 days
[10:59] <geneo91>  well this was time of final i might be
[10:59] <drspin> I just got a message "cannot initialize HAL" when I logged in... not sure what to do...
[10:59] <geneo91> friday hoary was final
[10:59] <mishof> topyli - thanks!
[10:59] <Bazzi> install HAL9000
[10:59] <topyli> mishof: IIRC you need to at least logout, maybe more. i don't think mine worked before a reboot (i don't know what needs resetting)
[10:59] <odyssey> has anyone had any success with running skype under ubuntu?
[11:00] <drspin> Bazzi: it hasn't given me this before -- I upgraded to Hoary last week and login/logout all the time
[11:00] <eyequeue> odyssey:  i did under warty
[11:01] <hagman> odyssey: yes, i have skype running.
[11:01] <Bazzi> drspin weird shit, man.
[11:02] <drspin> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:02] <drspin> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:
[11:02] <drspin>  field name `#' must be followed by colon
[11:02] <drspin> ???
[11:02] <drspin> WTF
[11:02] <drspin> I think my HD is going... :(
[11:03] <eyequeue> odyssey:  sudo apt-get install libxft1
[11:04] <topyli> smhar: i don't get why ubuntu binary packages should work on sarge. unstable packages don't work either. isn't it enough if the sources work? hrm.
[11:05] <drspin> I just read that... WOW -- but Ubuntu is so much closer to the DESKTOP than Debian...
[11:05] <drspin> ;
[11:05] <drspin> 0
[11:05] <geneo91> maybe debian has only one part time developer
[11:06] <sucho> hello, since ubuntu 5.04 was released i get no new updates, when i 5.04rc i get some every day, is it normal?
[11:06] <eyequeue> sucho:  yes
[11:06] <eyequeue> sucho:  it is now stable, meaning unchanging
[11:06] <geneo91> sucho:  hoary is final
[11:07] <drspin> hmmm -- so if I use 5.04rc I'll continue to get improvements to hoary?
[11:07] <ziabice> re all
[11:07] <sucho> so how to get new versions?
[11:07] <topyli> drspin: no, you get hoary final
[11:07] <sucho> only way is to migrate to 5.10?
[11:07] <eyequeue> sucho:  there are none
[11:07] <topyli> sucho: you'll get them all in six months when the next ubuntu is released
[11:08] <drspin> so many people are having problems with Hoary... they're not going to update anything?
[11:08] <sucho> and what about security fixes?
[11:08] <geneo91> unless he's brave
[11:08] <ac-id> really?
[11:08] <eyequeue> sucho:  there are none yet
[11:08] <ac-id> what sort of problems?
[11:08] <topyli> sucho: those will be there of course
[11:08] <ziabice> topyli: so if I want to upgrade to gimp 2.2.6 I need to download the deb source and play with it?
[11:08] <ac-id> and i thought hoary would have partition resizer
[11:09] <sucho> and what about 5.10? is some RC available?
[11:09] <topyli> ziabice: i'd get the debian unstable source package and build a binary on ubuntu
[11:09] <ziabice> topyli: good to know ;)
[11:09] <sucho> i prefer unstable but not outdated system...
[11:09] <eyequeue> sucho:  not for 5.5 months
[11:09] <ac-id> i upgraded my warty to Sarge last night
[11:09] <ziabice> topyli: thank you
[11:10] <topyli> ziabice: not too difficult. apt-get build-depend gimp; apt-get --source -b gimp
[11:10] <sucho> ok, thank u guys for usefull info :)
[11:10] <b2s> darn, epicenter left before I noticed he wrote and told him to apt-get install linux32 ... oh well :)
[11:10] <ubuntu> I run my simply python program and I get the following error: ImportError: No module named libglade, yet I have libglade2-0 installed. Are they talking about something else?
[11:10] <ubuntu> *simple
[11:11] <ziabice> topyli: I was a debian user a lot of year ago (before apt!), then a slackware user... now ubuntu on amd64... I must relearn a lot of things...
[11:11] <jerichau> quick question, I'm trying to use a kickstart (ks.cfg) file with a cdrom, but when I boot from the cdrom it can't find the floppy drive and only lists the SATA drives. I've tried dding Debian's boot.img to the stiffy and using that, but it looks for a root floppy
[11:11] <topyli> ziabice: well, debian and friends are easy to maintain
[11:11] <jerichau> this is in hoary hedgehog
[11:12] <jerichau> there's no boot.img available on the ubuntu website or install cdrom either
[11:12] <wezzer> help
[11:12] <wezzer> I upgraded to hoary and now enemy terroritory won't work
[11:12] <wezzer> is it because xfree86 changed to xorg ?
[11:13] <epicenter> What is the most advisable tool to use for video re-encoding?
[11:13] <epicenter> Or for trimming bits of video out, and encoding those, etc.
[11:13] <epicenter> similar to say, VirtualDub in the win32 realm
[11:15] <topyli> jerichau: yeah, i'm afraid there's only the full install cd
[11:16] <GreedKiller> anyone have a solution for accounting pakages on uBuntu? i.e. South African standards, like Pastel or Quickbooks
[11:16] <jerichau> topyli: so why does the kickstart documentation refer to a non-existent boot.img file? or is it just half-baked?
[11:17] <paulfox> GreedKiller, i think you can run quickbooks through cedega.
[11:17] <geneo91> gnumeric
[11:17] <RixiM> does ubuntu have most of the debian packages?
[11:17] <topyli> jerichau: hoary kickstart docs? either a bug in ubuntu kickstart or in the the documentation i guess
[11:17] <eyequeue> RixiM:  if you enable universe
[11:18] <topyli> jerichau: i know next to nothing about the kickstart support though, except that it was planned for hoary
[11:18] <_-InMa-_> buenos dias, good morning
[11:18] <RixiM> eyequeue: thx.
[11:18] <smhar> I just finished installing sarge recently and I am already thinking of swithing to ubuntu.. is somthing wrong with me?
[11:18] <jerichau> topyli: great, guess ubuntu isn't ready for a business environment. I'll try to get hold of the kickstart maintainer, maybe he knows what's up
[11:18] <GreedKiller> paulfox, well I know you can run it on crossover office 4.2 but what about Pastel?
[11:18] <pvh> I'm running wine, and every time I try to run it, it says "libwine.so.1" is missing... why?
[11:19] <geneo91> no
[11:19] <pvh> I'm going insane here. :(
[11:19] <paulfox> GreedKiller, not sure. i only know qbooks works after i read about it last week, sorry.
[11:19] <GreedKiller> kk, thanks anyway
[11:19] <RixiM> so universe is a snap shot of debian unstable?
[11:20] <drspin> anyone know how I can make firestarter (IP TABLES) not pollute my dmesg but still log hits ??
[11:20] <tle> ehmm
[11:20] <eyequeue> RixiM:  no
[11:20] <tle> hi every1
[11:21] <tle> sorry to intterupt ppl here
[11:21] <eyequeue> RixiM:  MotU ports
[11:21] <topyli> jerichau: yeah, and check bugzilla too. someone must have noticed if something is that much wrong :)
[11:21] <tapia> hi
[11:21] <tle> can some1 tell me which value to switch to text mode in inittab??
[11:21] <tapia> what's the sources.list line for breezy?
[11:21] <eyequeue> RixiM:  see #motu i think
[11:21] <tle> is it 3?
[11:21] <daleboRt> I've just ugpraded to hoary, and am trying to get my video working properly. When I try to install fglrx, it tells me this... xfree86-driver-fglrx: Depends: xserver-xfree86 (>= 4.3) but it is not installable
[11:21] <drspin> tle: 1
[11:21] <eyequeue> tapia:  not yet
[11:21] <tle> drspin: thx
[11:21] <topyli> RixiM: it's more or less a frozen unstable, rebuildt on/for ubuntu
[11:21] <drspin> tle: that's single user mode...
[11:21] <tapia> eyequeue: ok, thanks
[11:22] <epicenter> What is the most advisable tool to use for video re-encoding?
[11:22] <epicenter> Or for trimming bits of video out, and encoding those, etc.
[11:22] <epicenter> similar to say, VirtualDub in the win32 realm
[11:22] <drspin> tle: if you want to just not start GDM turn off the script
[11:22] <tle> drspin: text mode rite?
[11:22] <tle> drspin: eh? they change the way!!
[11:22] <topyli> RixiM: plus packages that are not in unstable, ie apt-get.org and other stuff
[11:22] <GNAM> i cannot add universe repository!
[11:23] <tle> drspin: can u tell me which startup config file so I can turn off GDM?
[11:23] <GNAM> ubuntuguide doesn't work
[11:23] <topyli> GNAM: sure you can :)
[11:23] <eyequeue> GNAM:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <drspin> tle: go to TTY([CTRL] +[ALT] +[F1] ) and type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:23] <GNAM> i've tried
[11:23] <drspin> tle: this will end your X session and just give you a command prompt
[11:23] <tle> okay
[11:23] <tle> thx
[11:23] <GNAM> i've uncommented universe lines
[11:23] <tle> thx
[11:23] <tle> ur legend\
[11:24] <drspin> tle: to restart sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:24] <RixiM> topyli: thanks, i figured universe has stuff unstable doesn't, i was just trying to figure out how it got packages from debian, i'm thinking of switching...
[11:24] <topyli> GNAM: and what happens/doesn't happen?
[11:24] <eyequeue> GNAM:  first, which ubuntu are you running?
[11:24] <tle> drspin: ya I understand from now
[11:24] <drspin> tle: K have fun
[11:24] <GNAM> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:25] <GNAM> ubuntu candidate
[11:25] <topyli> GNAM: run apt-get update first :)
[11:25] <tle> drspin: btw, u know any other way to change the monitor config? (not using xorgconfig)
[11:25] <drspin> tle: from what to what?
[11:25] <tle> drspin: ah
[11:25] <GNAM> uhm
[11:25] <GNAM> apt-get update seems interesting
[11:25] <drspin> tle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-base
[11:25] <tle> drspin: I want to change the resolution and sync
[11:25] <drspin> tle: ??
[11:25] <Choubaka> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg also .p
[11:26] <eyequeue> GNAM:  any time you change sources.list at all, sudo apt-get update
[11:26] <drspin> tle:  Choubaka: is correct on this
[11:26] <topyli> GNAM: no other apt command will work before running update
[11:26] <jonathan_> quit
[11:26] <Choubaka> topyli: Well, they might.
[11:26] <daleboRt> How do I get my radeon card working with ubuntu hoary? what packages do I need?
[11:26] <GNAM> NOW IT WORKS thanks!
[11:26] <Choubaka> But they might break. :)
[11:26] <GNAM> I was missing apt-get update ;)
[11:27] <topyli> Choubaka: basically yes, if nothing's changed after last update
[11:27] <toresbe> GNAM: that's an important part of a complete breakfast, yeah
[11:27] <eyequeue> toresbe:  :)
[11:27] <Choubaka> I prefer to use feta though
[11:27] <topyli> wajig here
[11:28] <Choubaka> I can feta install/update/whatever stuff, and it uses sudo automatically :p
[11:29] <topyli> yeah. wajig adds restart <service>, edit-sources and stuff
[11:29] <smhar_> I really like debian, its philosophy.. apt and stability.. I spend morethan a decade with dos/windows and around 2-3 years with linux from redhat, suse, mandrake and slackware which by the way I liked morethan the others.. until I decided that debian is destro I was searching for all this time.. but
[11:30] <topyli> there's always a but isn't there :)
[11:30] <eyequeue> but ubuntu rox?
[11:30] <topyli> hehe
[11:30] <toresbe> smhar_: your line is too long, you were cut off at "time... but"
[11:31] <Myrtti> I was stunned yesterday when I realized that I make a samba-shared directory faster on Linux Ubuntu than on Windwos 2000
[11:31] <Myrtti> and with less pain
[11:31] <Myrtti> to tell you the truth, I never managed to make a windows file share on W2K
[11:32] <SeamusLP> Myrtti, benchmarks show that samba is much faster than w2k filesharing under load
[11:32] <Emmanuel> yo
[11:32] <topyli> samba servers are actually reliable too, unlike windows ones
[11:33] <Myrtti> SeamusLP: f**k benchmarking, I'm talking about mouse clicks and buttons and windows
[11:33] <Myrtti> too much hassle
[11:33] <Myrtti> I don't have a single day in the week that I don't have something good to say about Ubuntu
[11:33] <Myrtti> I could start a weblog to praise Ubuntu
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> on XP making a file share is simplicity itself
[11:34] <SeamusLP> Yeah, Ubuntu is probably the best desktop distribution
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> in fact, you'd be hard pressed not to make them
[11:34] <MrNonchalant> but I agree, I luff0r Ubuntu
[11:35] <Myrtti> and on Windows 2K I'd rather shoot my own kneecaps with a .9 before trying to make a file share
[11:35] <daleboRt> What does this mean? No candidate version found for xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:36] <SeamusLP> Myrtti: What's the method on linux?  Never tried before.
[11:36] <Myrtti> SeamusLP: if I were on my Ubuntu now, I'd tell you in a heartbeat
[11:37] <Myrtti> but now I trapped inside one of my schools several computer classes, this one running XP
[11:37] <Myrtti> hmmm, lunch lures me to the cafeteria...
[11:37] <topyli> SeamusLP: making shares? install samba, edit smb.conf
[11:37] <Myrtti> topyli: I managed to do it with the graphical thingie
[11:38] <Myrtti> in Gnome
[11:38] <topyli> oh yeah, that too
[11:38] <Myrtti> I'm off
[11:38] <Myrtti> me hungry
[11:38] <Myrtti> -->
[11:38] <topyli> Myrtti: i just have an old smb.conf that i've had around for years
[11:38] <MrNonchalant> System -> Administration -> Shared folders
[11:39] <MrNonchalant> I should really install samba, for what purpose I have not the foggiest of clue
[11:39] <MrNonchalant> seeing as I almost never use shares
[11:39] <topyli> MrNonchalant: hmm. the dialog doesn't display the shares i currently have
[11:40] <daleboRt> What does this mean? No candidate version found for xorg-driver-fglrx? I ran an update from warty to hoary using the cd as a source.
[11:40] <SeamusLP> I think you can use NFS with that tool as well
[11:40] <topyli> daleboRt: the package is not on the cd. you need an online repository for evil proprietary stuff
[11:41] <MrNonchalant> hmm *shrugs*
[11:41] <MrNonchalant> yeah
[11:41] <MrNonchalant> it always tell me I don't have samba or nfs with a dialog, then closes
[11:41] <peh> how do i change resolution on gdm in hoary?
[11:42] <tle> T_T some1 help me
[11:42] <daleboRt> thank you, topyli
[11:43] <tle> I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change my montor res to 1024x768 16bit
[11:43] <tle> but when get into GNOME
[11:43] <topyli> daleboRt: take a look at ubuntuguide.org and see how to add repositories
[11:43] <tle> it's still 640x840
[11:43] <peh> tle, i changed in /etc/X11/corg.conf
[11:43] <peh> works fine
[11:43] <tle> T_T, I use Screen Resolution program but none 1024x768 there
[11:43] <tle> peh: can u be more specific? I am not good
[11:44] <Huwge> Anyone here have any info bout becoming an ubuntu mirror?
[11:44] <SeamusLP> tle:  I think there's a screen section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf that lets you add more resolutions
[11:44] <MrNonchalant> Huwge: here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view
[11:44] <daleboRt> topyli, I got it. I thought I had them, but I only had universe and multiverse. Needed the restricted.
[11:44] <peh> tle, "sudo vi /etx/X11/xorg.conf" in a terminal window, then just change at the bottom
[11:44] <Choubaka> x.org should autodetect :|
[11:45] <Huwge> MrNonchalant: ta :)
[11:45] <MrNonchalant> k
[11:45] <eyequeue> Huwge:  #ubuntu-devel might
[11:45] <topyli> daleboRt: ok. i guess the driver is there too
[11:45] <SeamusLP> Choubaka: Unfortunately doesn't always happen.
[11:45] <tle> peh: I 'vi' xorg.conf, I saw that ScreenSection, here is already 1024x768
[11:45] <SeamusLP> Choubaka:  My particular widescreen monitor for example doesn't broadcast all of it's available resolutions
[11:45] <Choubaka> hmm
[11:46] <Choubaka> tle: what display driver are you using?
[11:46] <tle> Choubaka: for the sake of Jedi, can u help me out on monitor config?
[11:46] <tle> Choubaka: I use i810 (intel onboard gfx)
[11:46] <Choubaka> I only ever did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :|
[11:46] <tle> Choubaka: I did that already, none changec
[11:46] <SeamusLP> tle you tried putting a comment after "1024x768"?  Maybe it will force it to do that res.
[11:47] <tle> SeamusLP: it's already had ""
[11:47] <Choubaka> tle: it's difficult to help without knowing more.
[11:47] <tle> T_T
[11:48] <Nino> hi
[11:48] <Choubaka> What did you do while reconfiguring?
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: do u have any other ideas? (I dun want to be defeated by the Sith, lol)
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: okay, autodetect vido
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: okay, autodetect video
[11:48] <Choubaka> :p
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: show i810
[11:48] <gaio> anyone with realplayer on hoary?
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: chose it, then type 32000 for MB RAM
[11:48] <Choubaka> hm
[11:48] <Choubaka> why?
[11:48] <tle> Choubaka: then Keyboard, mouse
[11:49] <hagman> gaio: yes. rp10
[11:49] <Nino> i have installed kubuntu. Whatever my screen refresh is maybe 60 Hz. how can i configure this? why does it not allowe 85 Hz in the Control Center in KDE?
[11:49] <Choubaka> does it require that?
[11:49] <tle> Choubaka: i810 shares memory with RAM
[11:49] <Choubaka> right.
[11:49] <tle> Nino: I have same prob!!!
[11:49] <tle> Nino: same prob here!
[11:49] <gaio> hagman, it doesn't start...any idea?
[11:49] <Nino> tle: solution?
[11:49] <tle> Choubaka: then I do monitor
[11:50] <eyequeue> Nino:  #kubuntu
[11:50] <tle> Nino: asking the Light (Choubaka)
[11:50] <Nino> tle: is there some grafical tool to configure x.org ?
[11:50] <tle> Choubaka: next
[11:50] <hagman> gaio: i had no problems with that. what version did you install?
[11:50] <gaio> hagman, 10
[11:50] <tle> Nino: not that I know, try sudo dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg in 'xterm'
[11:50] <tle> Choubaka: next
[11:50] <tle> Choubaka: next I choose HP D8235s
[11:50] <hagman> gaio: any error messages?
[11:50] <djp> anyone aware of how to get shoutcast playlists to play using firefox with the mozplugger plugin?
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: they show up list of res
[11:51] <Nino> tle: did it help you?
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: i choose 1024, 800, 600
[11:51] <tle> Nino: no
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: then I said Simple. Medium or Advanced
[11:51] <Nino> thus it wont help me...
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: i choose Medium
[11:51] <tle> Choubaka: i choose 85hz 1024
[11:51] <SeamusLP> djp:  I think there are some mozplugger guides on the forums.  I've only experimented with embedding totem, though.
[11:51] <xukun> I tried everything but my dell inspiron 8200 laptop's screen is still no good: please look how my screen looks afrer I installed the new nvidia driver: http://stuwww.uvt.nl/~ahassan/photo/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=0
[11:51] <Nino> tle: i guess it did not autodetect my 19" IIyama Monitor
[11:52] <tle> Nino: T_T same here
[11:52] <Nino> even same monitor?
[11:52] <tle> Nino: I only rely on Choubaka (the Republic hero in starwar) to give me a hand
[11:52] <tle> Nino: ya
[11:52] <Choubaka> :p
[11:52] <gaio> hagman, nothing, but in ps there's realplayer but i cant see it
[11:52] <Choubaka> I'm not Chewbacca :p
[11:52] <tle> Choubaka: ...any idea?
[11:53] <kyle> has anyone set up mac-on-linux using ubuntu's xorg? :-)
[11:53] <SeamusLP> xukun:  Damn, that's some whacked out looking mess
[11:53] <Choubaka> It should work... Maybe let x.org try to autodetect the video ram?
[11:53] <hagman> gaio: did you install the latest rp from the rp website?
[11:53] <djp> SeamusLP: thanks, will take a look...
[11:53] <gaio> hagman, sure as in wiki
[11:53] <SeamusLP> xukun: you using the proprietary nvidia drivers or the open source ones?
[11:54] <Choubaka> and besides, 32000 kB isn't 32 MB :/
[11:54] <crb> Anyone care to hazard a guess at the font in this screenshot?  http://www.macewan.org/screenshots/HoaryBeagle0.0.9-1.png
[11:54] <Nino> Choubaka: well, how to make xorg to offer more then 60 Hz ?
[11:54] <Choubaka> It should do that already. :|
[11:55] <volcom> Im having a problem w/ ndiswrapper.  Im running amd64 hoary and I installed 2.6.11 from apt then compiled ndiswrapper from source.  wlan0 came up fine but then once I rebooted it wont insert the module, says invalid format.
[11:55] <drspin> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:
[11:55] <drspin>  field name `#' must be followed by colon
[11:55] <Choubaka> drspin: hm.
[11:55] <drspin> volcom: did you compile against the right src?
[11:56] <hagman> gaio: strange... i've downloaded rp10gold.bin from the rp website and just followed the instructions.
[11:56] <Choubaka> That sounds evil.
[11:56] <volcom> ya
[11:56] <kyle> crb: bitstream vera something, with some font aliasing
[11:56] <xukun> SeamusLP, I tried both the one from ubuntu and from the one from nvidia.com
[11:56] <volcom> I forgot 2 install wireless tools so Ill try that real quick
[11:56] <volcom> nm its installed
[11:56] <notos> hi, how can i resize my hard dirve whitow lossing my data ? i have ubuntu partition and Swap partition
[11:57] <Choubaka> tle: I don't know of any tricks. X is weird :/
[11:57] <crb> kyle: cheers, but i've tried all the bitstream veras, and it seems to not be any.  too narrow
[11:57] <kyle> notos: use qtparted
[11:57] <notos> and tried gparted
[11:57] <xukun> SeamusLP, I dont know what to do anymore, I,m lost
[11:57] <notos> but dont let me change anything
[11:57] <notos> :(
[11:57] <kyle> crb: i'll check my fonts.conf ; let's see
[11:57] <SeamusLP> xukun:  Open up your xorg.conf file and change all instances of nvidia to nv.  This will switch it to the open source driver.  then restart x and see if it fixes it
[11:57] <volcom> also, does anyone know why theres no ndiswrapper in amd64 repos?
[11:57] <Choubaka> maybe find out the horizontal and vertical refresh ranges for your monitor and use the "advanced" setting?
[11:57] <volcom> or do I need to add a special repo?
[11:57] <kyle> notos: are you running it as root?
[11:58] <xukun> SeamusLP, that works just fine, but I need the 3D
[11:58] <notos> i think so it ask me my password i am loged as a sudoer i have disiabled root as ubuntu's default
[11:58] <chesty> Hello, I installed hoary for the first time on a pc with a 15in lcd, and it only runs in 640x480, the other modes get removed with a message like "mode clock 100000mhz exceeds ddc maximum 80mhz". Where's this 100000mhz coming from?
[11:58] <crb> LCD's don't have refresh rates.,
[11:59] <crb> I guess the auto detct stuff gets confused
[11:59] <notos> Chesty Look at your monitor manual
[11:59] <tle> T_T
[11:59] <chesty> crb, thanks
[11:59] <tle> HELP!
[11:59] <SeamusLP> xukun well if the newest nvidia drivers are giving you trouble my only further recommendation can be to downgrade them...
[11:59] <drspin> anyone know what up with dpkg?
[11:59] <tle> HELP ME on montior config!!
[11:59] <notos> foud how many HZ do you need to use
[11:59] <crb> drspin: what about dpkg?
[11:59] <notos> then edit the  xorg.cof
[12:00] <notos> and then ctrl-alt-back
[12:00] <fenglin> bob2    how to run gcc
[12:00] <chesty> notos: thanks, haven't done that for a while
[12:00] <xukun> bbl
[12:00] <volcom> its been a while since Ive used linux, where do you autoload modules again?
[12:00] <crb> . /etc/modules
[12:00] <volcom> thanx
[12:00] <kyle> tle: stop shouting
[12:01] <kyle> tle: you aren't the only freaking one who needs help :P
[12:01] <fenglin> bob2    how to run gcc     and    how to install the gcc
[12:01] <volcom> thanx guys...
[12:01] <crb> fenglin: you have no idea how stupid a question that looks. :)
[12:01] <bob2> fenglin: you need to find some support group that speaks your language
[12:01] <notos> apt-get install build-essentials ?
[12:01] <bob2> fenglin: try #ubuntu-zh or one of the lists
[12:01] <mz2> hmm, how'd i make mounting parameters stay for usb disks? (ones that just appear in /etc/mtab )
[12:01] <SeamusLP> tle:  If you can find some place to post your xorg.conf file it would help.
[12:01] <bob2> mz2: what do you want to set?
[12:02] <kyle> tle: use pastebin.com
[12:02] <Xgates> say I just redid up Ubuntu with a expert install and now I have a root account, BUT when I click on apps needing root password such as Synaptic, it seems like it's wanting the SUDO thing, and it tells me the wrongpassword
[12:02] <fenglin> bob2    @$%#^%$^*%*(&^(&
[12:02] <crb> kyle: any luck with guesses on my font, btw?
[12:02] <mz2> user_xattrs so my mp3s on an external hd would get indexed by beagle
[12:02] <bob2> fenglin: I can't render that, much less read it
[12:02] <crb> (Thanks for looking.  no one else did.  sob, you're supposed to love screnshots!)
[12:03] <crb> fenglin: what is your native language?
[12:03] <kyle> crb: not really; my fonts.conf points to bitstream, and that shot looks like that anyway...
[12:03] <fenglin> chinese
[12:03] <bob2> mandarin, afaict
[12:03] <fenglin> crb chinese
[12:03] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  Yeah you'll have to modify your xauth stuff
[12:03] <bob2> mz2: pitti is the person to ask
[12:03] <bob2> (he wrote pmount)
[12:03] <kyle> crb: I can paste my fonts.conf so you can check if you feel like it :)
[12:04] <crb> to get gcc, type 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[12:04] <mz2> hmm, maybe i should read the man page first so i know what pmount even is :)
[12:04] <crb> kyle: nm, it's none of the ones I've got installed
[12:04] <crb> hoary even kindly installs arabic true type fonts
[12:04] <bob2> I've told fenglin that a few times over the past couple of days
[12:04] <Choubaka> Hmm
[12:04] <drspin> crb: sorry so late
[12:04] <drspin> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:
[12:04] <drspin>  field name `#' must be followed by colon
[12:04] <Choubaka> What's Ubuntu's defaul sudo configuration?
[12:05] <Choubaka> I had none, so I don't know.
[12:05] <bob2> mz2: the kernel notices the device being plugged in and tells hotplug ( a user program).  hotplug tells udevd who telss hald who tells gnome-volume-manager who calls pmount to mount it
[12:05] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, almost everything is set up to use it
[12:05] <crb> drspin: paste me the output of head -1 /var/lib/dpkg/available ?
[12:05] <kyle> Choubaka: youruser    ALL=(ALL)  ALL
[12:05] <Choubaka> right.
[12:05] <kyle> Choubaka: in /etc/sudoers
[12:05] <Choubaka> That's what I put there, too.
[12:05] <drspin> # DO NOT EDIT OR REMOVE
[12:05] <Choubaka> not very secure, but does the job. .)
[12:06] <crb> That shouldn't be there.
[12:06] <kyle> Choubaka: have you changed it using visudo ?
[12:06] <bob2> drspin: just run 'sudo dselect update'
[12:06] <Choubaka> kyle: yes... there was only root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[12:06] <drspin> bob2: what does this do?? for future reference;)
[12:06] <Choubaka> so I added a line for my user too
[12:06] <kyle> Choubaka: btw I do prefer using no pass at all for my user ;)
[12:07] <mz2> ok, i was only aware of how that cascade works up to hotplugd :) would it not work if i just put an entry to /etc/fstab for that device, though? because I'm fine with having it in there, as I never take that hd out and never switch the usb port i use for it
[12:07] <Choubaka> that's even more insecure. :|
[12:07] <agabus> could anyone point me in the direction of a GUI administratable ftp server software?
[12:07] <kyle> Choubaka: youruser  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[12:07] <Xgates> SeamusLP: I've never done that, how?
[12:07] <Choubaka> I'd make at least rm and visudo require passwd :p
[12:07] <kyle> Choubaka: not at all, 'cause my account won't log authomatically
[12:07] <crb> agabus: I don't know of one.  you could use webmin to manage proftpd or something?
[12:07] <Choubaka> and EDITOR
[12:07] <bob2> mz2: that will work
[12:08] <Choubaka> kyle: Well, you may forget yourself logged in.
[12:08] <mz2> bob2, cheers
[12:08] <Choubaka> and then it's essentially the same as using your computer as root
[12:08] <john__> Hi everyone I just installed ubuntu on my g4 quicksilver tonight.....how do I install programs properly. I don't think I am extracting them correctly
[12:08] <kyle> Choubaka: it's a laptop :-)
[12:08] <crb> agabus: proftpd is better than wuftpd
[12:08] <kyle> john__: _extracting_ ?
[12:09] <mz2> hmm, or actually. shouldn't beagle also index my rhythmbox library? maybe i don't even need to do it, but instead make sure my beagle installation is working as it should
[12:09] <crb> kyle: I think we've tracked that font down to being Trebuchet MS
[12:09] <kyle> john__: you should be using synaptic :)
[12:09] <agabus> crb - ok i'll check that out.
[12:09] <drspin> bob2: it worked -- what did it do?
[12:09] <SeamusLP> Xgates: I really don't know either
[12:09] <drspin> john__: aptitude is kind of nice -- a little primitive in appearance but nice
[12:09] <Choubaka> I could make apt work without password though
[12:10] <Xgates> hmm ok
[12:11] <Xgates> this is stupid that you run the expert install, but the system isn't setup for it when you login to it, and then you have to hack it for this
[12:11] <Xgates> errr
[12:11] <Choubaka> Hmm
[12:11] <Choubaka> Maybe that's why it's called the "expert" install
[12:13] <volcom> I found my problem... say theres 2 coppies of ndiswrapper.ko in /lib/modules/kernel.... both in different subdir's, how do you tell /etc/modules to choose one over the other?
[12:13] <volcom> can I enter the module as etc/ndiswrapper or would I need the full path?
[12:13] <no0tic> has evolution an integrated antispam system?
[12:13] <drspin> volcom: you *should* be able to enter it as ndiswrapper
[12:14] <volcom> drspin, when I enter ndiswrapper, it tries the wrong module
[12:15] <volcom> drspin, and I want it to use misc/ndiswrapper from now on w/ out me havin to move or delete one of the modules every time I compile against a new kernel
[12:15] <drspin> volcom: try backing up the one in the /lib/modules/kernel... dir and copying the one from /etc to /lib/modules/kernel...
[12:15] <drspin> volcom: that it won't work... My idea I mean...
[12:15] <volcom> o
[12:16] <drspin> or something like that
[12:16] <volcom> Ill just see if etc/ndiswrapper works, if not Ill delete the one I dont need
[12:16] <volcom> thanx... reboot time
[12:16] <drspin> I was going to suggest man modules.conf
[12:18] <Xgates> SeamusLP: can you please do me a favor and open up  --->  /etc/sudoers
[12:18] <Xgates>  and show me how your username is added into it?
[12:19] <SeamusLP> con gusto.
[12:19] <SeamusLP> What exactly am I looking for in this file?
[12:19] <Xgates> nothing after it?
[12:20] <Xgates> mine is like this for now since I set up a root account
[12:20] <Xgates> # User privilege specification
[12:20] <Xgates> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[12:20] <Xgates> doesnt yours says like ---> con gusto  ALL=(ALL) ALL  ??
[12:20] <drspin> anyone know how to keep iptables from polluting my dmesg :/
[12:21] <SeamusLP> huh? con gusto is spanish for with pleasure
[12:21] <Xgates> LOL whats wrong here I'm typing english
[12:21] <Xgates> :-)
[12:21] <SeamusLP> mine says root ALL=(ALL)ALL the same as yours
[12:21] <Xgates> what your login username is not in there?
[12:21] <SeamusLP> also I have another line
[12:21] <SeamusLP> Nope
[12:22] <SeamusLP> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[12:22] <SeamusLP> where admin is the group a user is put in
[12:22] <Xgates> ahh ok
[12:22] <Xgates> so just those 2 lines?
[12:22] <Xgates> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL is below the root one?
[12:23] <SeamusLP> yep
[12:23] <Xgates> ok
[12:23] <SeamusLP> well there's one above all that
[12:23] <SeamusLP> you have the Defaults line right?
[12:23] <Xgates> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[12:23] <Xgates> same?
[12:23] <SeamusLP> yep
[12:23] <Xgates> k
[12:24] <SeamusLP> However I think what you're looking for has more to do with X settings
[12:24] <Xgates> and ONE last one please, in /etc/group your nick is in the sudo?
[12:24] <Xgates> sudo:x:27:xgates
[12:24] <ankar> Hi everyone, anyone with Airport Express? I am trying to figure out how I could print to the USB printer which is connetcetd to the Airport express
[12:24] <Xgates> well right now I'm gonig to give myself sudo access and work on this later to figure it out
[12:25] <aNiMe_FrEaK> hi
[12:25] <SeamusLP> admin:x:109:seamus
[12:25] <Xgates> nothing in the 'sudo' one?
[12:26] <SeamusLP> Nope, it's all about the admin group.
[12:26] <Xgates> k
[12:26] <Xgates> and for this one again --> %admin ALL= the % percentage is in the file?
[12:26] <SeamusLP> Indeed
[12:26] <Xgates> ok
[12:27] <bene_> hi
[12:27] <SeamusLP> You trying to get your sudo account back or something?
[12:27] <bene_> I changed from debian to ubuntu but could someone tell me how I could set a root pw
[12:27] <bene_> ?
[12:27] <bene_> I use ubuntu 5.04
[12:27] <SeamusLP> bene_: sudo passwd
[12:27] <Xgates> xgates is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[12:27] <Hannes_> bene_: use sudo
[12:28] <Xgates> hmm this sucks
[12:28] <bene_> SeamusLP, if I type sudo passwd he wants a password
[12:28] <Xgates> I keep going from one issue to another one in this distro
[12:28] <Hannes_> SeamusLP: your own pass
[12:28] <Hannes_> *bene_
[12:28] <Hannes_> we should put it in the topic
[12:29] <Arnia> Xgates: you seem to have some very bad luck :/
[12:29] <Hannes_> atleast 50ppl asking it daily
[12:29] <Xgates> anyone know I setup Ubuntu in expert with a root password, I don't use sudo, BUT now when I like click on Synaptic in the menu and it asks for the password and I put the root one in, it says password incorrect
[12:29] <plagerism> Xgates: why not just add yourself to the sudoers file??
[12:29] <Xgates> Arnia: no just some Distro developer stupidity here is all
[12:29] <zenwhen> Xgates, you cam to Ubuntu too?
[12:30] <zenwhen> come*
[12:30] <Xgates> HEY zenwhen LOL
[12:30] <zenwhen> Xgates, your issue isnt common at all.
[12:30] <Xgates> yeah Im checking it out :-)
[12:30] <SeamusLP> Xgates:  I just did the default install.  It's a bit less secure than what you're doing.
[12:30] <zenwhen> bHmmmm
[12:30] <haritz> holla i can't apt-get update yet
[12:30] <zenwhen> so your sudo pasword doesnt work at all for anything
[12:30] <Xgates> SeamusLP: yeah
[12:31] <Xgates> plagerism: well I thought I did until I figure this out but that doesnt seem to be working unless I missed something
[12:31] <zenwhen> use the livecd or the install cd to get to a root term and chrot in and add yourself to the sudoers file
[12:31] <zenwhen> the install SHOULD have added you.
[12:31] <Xgates> plagerism: BUT how can I click on the menu of Synaptic and make this thing work for the real root password?
[12:31] <zenwhen> I havent seen it fail before.
[12:31] <Xgates> not this setup sudo crap
[12:31] <Xgates> ;p
[12:32] <zenwhen> well if sudo worked you would run "sudo passwd root"
[12:32] <SeamusLP> The purpose of sudo is to give someone root priviledges on only a few programs...
[12:32] <zao__> anyone experienced crashing installer on amd64 ?
[12:32] <Xgates> xgates@ubuntu:~$ sudo passwd root
[12:32] <Xgates> xgates is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[12:32] <Xgates> ok well
[12:32] <aNiMe_FrEaK> ubuntu rock XD
[12:32] <aNiMe_FrEaK> *rocks
[12:32] <zenwhen> then chroot in from a cd and add yourself
[12:33] <Xgates> I'd like to just stick to using the root password to run things not sudo
[12:33] <zenwhen> as a slackware user i bet you can manage that ;P
[12:33] <m0rphx> hi
[12:33] <SeamusLP> Xgates I take it there's not a wiki guide on that?
[12:33] <zenwhen> Xgates, you currently dont have one
[12:33] <Choubaka> Xgates: You should have not gone with an expert install.
[12:33] <Choubaka> not have even
[12:33] <Choubaka> read man sudoers and fix the file
[12:33] <Xgates> Choubaka: why I'd think after 5 years in Slackware I'm qualified LOL
[12:33] <Xgates> :-)
[12:33] <Choubaka> to your liking.
[12:33] <zenwhen> Choubaka, unless things have changed even with an expert install the user should have been added to sudoers
[12:34] <m0rphx> how are shipped ubuntu cds packed? all together or is there a unit with like 4 cds pro packet?
[12:34] <Xgates> sudo is for the noobs so the dont login to the box as root is all its good for
[12:34] <Choubaka> -_-
[12:34] <zenwhen> Xgates, while I certainly understand your frustration, the chroot with the cd and adding your name to sudoers path is probably the one of least resistance.
[12:34] <Choubaka> sudo pwns
[12:34] <Xgates> I dont need SUDO I need Ubuntu to act like a normal Linux distro
[12:34] <Xgates> LOL
[12:34] <zenwhen> You all have a great day.
[12:34] <Burgundavia> Xgates, first of all, please don't use the world 'noobs' around here
[12:34] <zenwhen> Im off to work.
[12:35] <Choubaka> a root account is insecure.
[12:35] <Choubaka> sudo pwns
[12:35] <Burgundavia> Xgates, second of all, sudo is very useful for its logging features
[12:35] <Choubaka> That's all I can say, and it's true.
[12:35] <Xgates> Choubaka a root account is insecure, LOL and how is it insecure, and sudo more secure
[12:35] <odyssey> Xgates, read the wiki about sudo =
[12:35] <plagerism> Xgates, why do you need a root account??
[12:35] <SeamusLP> Choubaka user exploits are more common than root exploits
[12:35] <SeamusLP> if someone gets your user account your system is finished
[12:36] <zenwhen> Xgates, I wouldnt push this line of conversation to far but thats your own decision. ;) Bye. You had an install failure somehow or another. You can either fix it or whine. :)
[12:36] <Choubaka> Xgates: well, if you login as root, you can do everything
[12:36] <Choubaka> with sudo, you can specify what the user can do
[12:36] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but root exploits can cause more damage
[12:37] <kyle> kbrooks: :-P
[12:37] <Choubaka> SeamusLP: take this for example: with sudo, you can have your regular user be able to install software with apt or dpkg using his own password; then, you can require him to use another password for changing system setting or removing programs.
[12:37] <plagerism> Anyone else find that gdesklets is a memory hog??
[12:37] <Xgates> so how can I add in my nick to sudo
[12:37] <Choubaka> read man sudoers
[12:37] <SeamusLP> Choubaka:  That's the purpose of sudo.  But by default in ubuntu you have access to every program.
[12:37] <plagerism> edit /etc/sudoers
[12:37] <Choubaka> SeamusLP: yes.
[12:38] <Choubaka> and that's not the most secure practise.
[12:38] <Choubaka> but I believe it's more secure than a root account.
[12:38] <Choubaka> or rather, more convenient.
[12:38] <SeamusLP> Yeah more convenient but I highly doubt it's more secure
[12:38] <kbrooks> kyle: Yes?
[12:39] <Choubaka> when a user has to login as root to do weird things, he'll opt to use the computer as root all the time.
[12:39] <Burgundavia> observe windows
[12:39] <SeamusLP> Well there is that aspect, but I'm thinking more along the lines of remote attacks.
[12:39] <Xgates> can someone msg me or join #flood and show me their /etc/sudoers file
[12:39] <Choubaka> and you'll still have to write "sudo rm -rf /" _AND_ your password. :D
[12:39] <ankar> Does anynone knows how to setup a USB printer connected to Airport Express?
[12:40] <Xgates> rm -rf ?
[12:40] <Xgates> removing what?
[12:40] <Choubaka> root :p
[12:40] <kbrooks> /
[12:40] <Choubaka> with sudo, you can't make that mistake.
[12:40] <kbrooks> Xgates, recursive force
[12:40] <Choubaka> as root, it's very much a possibility.
[12:40] <Xgates> kbrooks: no I know what rm -rf is
[12:40] <Xgates> LOL
[12:41] <Xgates> I mean what am I suppose to remove
[12:41] <kyle> kbrooks: nuthing... your ident caused some woofwoof here ;)
[12:41] <Choubaka> mine looks like this: jarkko    ALL=(ALL) ALL, NOPASSWD: APT
[12:41] <SeamusLP> Choubaka, for example wouldn't a user exploit turn into a root exploit if that user had sudo access on passwd?
[12:41] <kbrooks> root is effectively DISABLED
[12:41] <odyssey> LOL?
[12:41] <Choubaka> and APT is defined as Cmnd_Alias APT=/usr/bin/apt-get
[12:41] <kbrooks> and root has no password
[12:41] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but the virii/exploit would need to know that and change itself to accom.
[12:42] <Xgates> Choubaka: can you please PM me and paste the contents of /etc/sudoers or join #flood
[12:42] <Xgates> I want to see the entire thing
[12:42] <Choubaka> Xgates: that was it :p
[12:42] <Choubaka> or well
[12:42] <Anark> Hey ppl
[12:42] <zao__> my install freezes, most of the time after some messages concerning "APIC"
[12:43] <SeamusLP> Burgundavia:  That's true.  But it's by default on an ubuntu system, so an exploit targeting ubuntu may take that into account.
[12:43] <Skid> hi, i've an intel ac 97 soundcard, trying to get it to support software mixing.  I've followed various tutorials, but now my sound is all crackly can anyone help please?
[12:43] <Anark> im glad you even get sound!!! i cant even get  a crack from mine!!!
[12:43] <Skid> well it was working
[12:43] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but the very diverse nature of the linux distro seen means that it wouldn't be worth it to develop an exploit for one distro
[12:43] <Skid> then I broke it :)
[12:43] <kbrooks> Anark, meh
[12:44] <Anark> lol kbrooks if you can help me...
[12:44] <Anark> would be great
[12:44] <SeamusLP> Burgundavia Not a script, no.  But what about an individual?
[12:45] <cfa> plz, how can I ignore de GPG test in APT???
[12:45] <SeamusLP> For example the libpng vulnerabilities awhile back that allowed arbitrary code execution....
[12:45] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, so you can root one box. anybody can root any box if they want to
[12:46] <SeamusLP> All I'm saying is that it vastly opens up the possibilities for rooting someone.
[12:49] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but a root can be broken just as easily
[12:51] <SeamusLP> Burgundavia:  Don't you see more non-root vulnerabilities than otherwise?
[12:51] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, yes sort of
[12:51] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, but the reality is that any box can be cracked
[12:52] <Burgundavia> and what linux really needs to guard against is mass-spread crap
[12:52] <SeamusLP> Yeah no sense in making it easy though.
[12:52] <Burgundavia> I don't think sudo makes it easy, and I think it is far and away better than root
[12:52] <Burgundavia> people WILL NOT log in and out to install new software
[12:53] <SeamusLP> Yeah but then we're talking about two different things.
[12:53] <Burgundavia> not really
[12:53] <Burgundavia> security is holistic
[12:53] <SeamusLP> I agree it's better for clueless users.  You don't want them running as root all the time ala windows users.
[12:53] <Burgundavia> and usablity and security are tied together
[12:54] <Burgundavia> ie, a windows box is not usable because it is so vunerable
[12:57] <madduck> could someone with a standard 5.04 install please report the output of 'apt-cache dump|grep Package|wc -l' to me?
[12:58] <Bnonn> is there a hardware support list for ubuntu hoary anywhere around?
[12:59] <darksatanic> hrm@selene:~ $ apt-cache dump | grep Package | wc -l
[12:59] <darksatanic> 35376
[12:59] <darksatanic> That's on AMD64.
[12:59] <Bnonn> nm found it
[12:59] <petemc> apt-cache stats
[12:59] <Bnonn> madduck, when I've finished using apt I will do that for you if you wish
[01:00] <petemc> oops
[01:00] <ForgottenSin> Ok, this is probably childs play to you guys and i should probably be looking for answers elsewhere, but i couldn't find it in the support section at ubuntulinux.org... Am i missing something with .deb files or do i just unzip them and put it all in manually
[01:00] <madduck> Bnonn: #ubuntu-devel is already helpful...
[01:00] <madduck> thanks
[01:01] <petemc> ForgottenSin: dpkg -i package.deb
[01:01] <Bnonn> root@jade:~ # apt-cache dump|grep Package|wc -l
[01:01] <Bnonn> 35844
[01:01] <Bnonn>  on i386
[01:01] <Bnonn> too late
[01:03] <Bnonn> Audigy ES not supported in 5.04?
[01:03] <thenuke> :o I dont have IPV6 enabled in hoary by default?
[01:03] <bob2> thenuke: what does "enabled" mean?
[01:03] <bob2> thenuke: you should have link-local addresses
[01:04] <bob2> but that won't help you unless your network has ipv6
[01:04] <thenuke> "No support for INET6 on this system."
[01:04] <thenuke> I tried to start ipv6 tunneling
[01:04] <bob2> ... what sayas that?
[01:04] <bob2> ipv6 tunneling requires some other stuff
[01:05] <thenuke> script, which I have used on some other ubuntus
[01:05] <bob2> what does 'uname -r' print out?
[01:05] <thenuke> <IP_ADDRESS>-5-386
[01:06] <thenuke> kernel&initrd which came with hoary did not work on this machine
[01:06] <Skid> doh
[01:06] <thenuke> I took those from warty running machine, maybe that is why this now does not work
[01:06] <Skid> anyone a sound guru? :) having intel AC97 problems
[01:06] <thenuke> But I have no idea how to debug this :)
[01:07] <thenuke> 14:06 [fi]  DCC can't connect to <IP_ADDRESS> port 12500
[01:07] <thenuke> 14:06 [fi]  DCC can't connect to <IP_ADDRESS> port 12482
[01:07] <thenuke> oops
[01:07] <thenuke> sorry, wrong channel
[01:08] <no0tic> How can I integrate spamassassin into evolution?
[01:08] <SeamusLP> Skid:  What's happening?
[01:09] <sid77> hi
[01:09] <thenuke> bob2: do you happen to know how I should begin to debug this
[01:11] <LaurenceRowe> Hi, I need a prog that converts mac to unix line endings. dos2unix does this, but the dos2unix in the sysutils package is just symlink to tofrodos, which seems to have no effect on my mac line endings file. Anyone know a package that works?
[01:12] <Skid> SeamusLP: my sound is all crackly
[01:12] <SeamusLP> In all applications?
[01:12] <Skid> mixing works, but it's basically unhearable, due to crackling. I followed a tutorial about installed libstd1.2debian-alsa
[01:12] <Skid> yep
[01:12] <Skid> everything
[01:13] <Skid> I've set my sound output to esd too
[01:13] <Skid> even tried alsa, blah blah
[01:13] <Skid> annoying
[01:13] <Skid> I was just about to re-format and reinstall
[01:13] <SeamusLP> Hmmm.  Even tried cating a wav to /dev/dsp?
[01:13] <Skid> nope
[01:14] <SeamusLP> Well in any case it sounds like a driver problem
[01:14] <thenuke> where can I download modules for <IP_ADDRESS>-5 kernel?
[01:14] <jbailey> thenuke: You cannot move an initrd from one machine to another and expect it to work.
[01:15] <thenuke> jbailey: :)
[01:15] <thenuke> jbailey: It was only way to get this machine to boot
[01:15] <thenuke> this will work ok if I just found those modules what I need
[01:17] <Choubaka> Grhhah
[01:17] <Choubaka> I deleted my root account.
[01:18] <Choubaka> managed to retrieve it though
[01:18] <Choubaka> now, when trying to login as root, it says "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info."
[01:18] <Hedgehog> whats the next best distro next to ubuntu for a "just works" desktop environment?
[01:19] <snowblink> Hedgehog, kubuntu
[01:19] <Choubaka> :)
[01:19] <Hedgehog> other than that :P
[01:19] <Choubaka> Ah-ha!
[01:19] <SeamusLP> thenuke:  Why not just grab another kernel and its modules in apt?
[01:19] <jbailey> thenuke: To do that, you need to generate a new initrd.  You'd have to add the modules to /etc/mkinitrd/modules, and build a new one.
[01:19] <Choubaka> Hedgehog: there is none!
[01:19] <Hedgehog> cause its just ubuntu w/ kde
[01:19] <jbailey> thenuke: Breezy should do better at that.
[01:19] <Hedgehog> theres always 2nd best
[01:19] <thenuke> jbailey: :o
[01:20] <Hedgehog> i know its not debian.. more of a server distro..
[01:20] <Choubaka> had to just copy /etc/shadow- over to /etc/shadow :p
[01:20] <thenuke> jbailey: I guess I dont need to do new initrd if I just use the modules too from that machine where I got that initrd already
[01:20] <SeamusLP> Hedgehog:  I hear SuSE is good...
[01:20] <Choubaka> I hope Xgates manages that as well
[01:20] <Hedgehog> ok then suse is my next project
[01:21] <SeamusLP> SuSE's package management isn't as good as ubuntu's.
[01:21] <pmai> how solve this error?
[01:21] <thenuke> blah, now I found linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-386 with apt but I guess that ipv6 is not a restricted thing :I
[01:21] <topyli> Hedgehog: the commercial debians are probably nice desktop distros. libranet, xandros etc.
[01:21] <tle> dammn
[01:21] <pmai> did cfdisk /dev/hdb "FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 7: enlarged logical partitions overlap
[01:21] <pmai>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk"
[01:21] <tle> I get so annoyed with Ubuntu Monitor Setting
[01:21] <pmai> ?
[01:22] <tle> even I get my monitor display 1024x768 now
[01:22] <CarlK> if I do a server install on a P2, the put the drive in a 486, what are the chances of it booting up?
[01:22] <tle> it ALWAYS use 85hz!!! even I DID change to 70Hz!!
[01:22] <Hedgehog> i had monitor problems too.. but editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf fixed it for me
[01:22] <Hedgehog> i had to change the horiz and vert parts
[01:22] <SeamusLP> tle:  Complaining about a better refresh rate?
[01:22] <topyli> CarlK: pretty good if you enable discover and install a i386 kernel
[01:23] <kiwidoc> Hi, anyone installed  ubuntu on a Sony Vaio PCG-795P? Hangs when detecting pcmcia cards. Used expert mode to get somewhere but then the boot hangs.
[01:23] <CarlK> topyli - "enable discover" ?
[01:23] <kiwidoc> Sorry, At the boot line?
[01:24] <tle> SeamusLP: 85hz messup with screen
[01:24] <topyli> CarlK: well it's probably installed by default. it looks up and configures new hardware
[01:24] <CarlK> topyli - thanks
[01:24] <Hedgehog> other than ubuntuguide.org ubuntu.com and ubuntuforums.com are there any other useful websites?
[01:25] <SeamusLP> tle:  Might want to play with a few lines in your xorg.conf
[01:25] <topyli> CarlK: but it doesn't seem to be installed so you might be wise do do so
[01:25] <topyli> to do
[01:25] <tle> SeamusLP: T_T. I may try,
[01:25] <topyli> Hedgehog: the marxists archive is pretty useful. and the w3c html validator is good
[01:26] <pmai> hi?
[01:26] <CarlK> topyli - apt-get install discover?
[01:26] <topyli> yes
[01:26] <SeamusLP> tle you trying to use gnome to change your refresh rate?  I don't like it, doesn't work with some setups
[01:26] <tle> what is DPMS in Monitor section??
[01:26] <tle> in the xorg.conf
[01:26] <SeamusLP> Display Power Management Signaling
[01:27] <CarlK> does that (install on P2, install discover, put drive in 486) seem like the best way to deal with a 486 laptop with just floppy and pcmcia (no CD)
[01:28] <topyli> CarlK: minimal install, yes. don't forget the praying part, and the dead chicken trickery!
[01:28] <Sp4rKy> hi
[01:29] <topyli> CarlK: or a minimal debian woody install, then upgrade to hoary. dunno
[01:29] <CarlK> topyli - yup.  the plan is to install a picture viewer and run some slide show software 24/7
[01:29] <Sp4rKy> somebody perfectly know cups ?
[01:29] <tle> can someone tell me about RefreshRate Option in xorg.conf?
[01:30] <Beredon> i'm a fan
[01:30] <Sp4rKy> Beredon, a fan of cups ?
[01:30] <topyli> CarlK: should work as long as you can get on the internet and fetch your software and the pictures
[01:31] <CarlK> or... are there pcmcia scsi cards that will boot from an external CD?
[01:31] <Xgates> I did deleted my root user account by mistake, is there a way to get it back?
[01:32] <Xgates> I tried to see if init1 would work OR I could use the Ubuntu cd to restore it but no luck
[01:32] <Sp4rKy> How did you can do this ?
[01:32] <Hedgehog> topyli: i googled marxists archive and all i get is karl marx stuff.. (you silly commie)
[01:33] <Sp4rKy> and for cups ?
[01:33] <CarlK> Xgates - I doubt you really did what you think you did
[01:34] <djp> anyone know if it is possible to use totem-gstreamer with mozplugger to listen to shoutcast streams? i have checked out the forums but that only seems to have answers that use totem-xine which i do not want to use.
[01:34] <Xgates> CarlK: yes as root I deleted the root user account by mistake I was thinking about something for just wanting to remove the password was all but removed the account instead
[01:34] <Xgates> I wasnt thinking
[01:34] <Xgates> LOL
[01:34] <Xgates> xgates@ubuntu:~$ sudo -s
[01:34] <Xgates> sudo: no passwd entry for root!
[01:34] <Xgates> well as sudo calls it, the account is there just no password
[01:35] <Sp4rKy> sudo passwd ?
[01:35] <CarlK> or sudo su -
[01:35] <Xgates> xgates@ubuntu:~$ sudo passwd
[01:35] <Xgates> sudo: no passwd entry for root!
[01:35] <Xgates> sudo: no passwd entry for root!
[01:35] <Xgates> no all of them are the same
[01:36] <Sp4rKy> no
[01:36] <Xgates> the root user account was delted as I said
[01:36] <Xgates> hehe
[01:36] <Sp4rKy> cat /etc/passwd |grep "root" ?
[01:36] <Xgates> deleted ....
[01:36] <Xgates> xgates@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/passwd |grep root
[01:36] <DutchFish> cat /etc/sudoers
[01:36] <stuNNed> sudo -s takes your own password
[01:36] <Xgates> cat: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[01:36] <sydneyfong> lol
[01:37] <Xgates> I cant run sudo stuNNed
[01:37] <Xgates> hehe
[01:37] <CarlK> Xgates - reboot, at the boot prompt type ... um... linux init=1.. er... grub... um... do grub things...
[01:37] <Sp4rKy> boot from a live distrib
[01:37] <Xgates> CarlK: init 1 doesnt work since there is no root to boot it
[01:37] <DutchFish> boot from a rescue CD and change /etc/sudoers  .. list :D
[01:37] <Xgates> I tried already
[01:38] <Xgates> I just have the Ubuntu install cd
[01:38] <sydneyfong> [bootloader cmd:]  linux init=/bin/bash rw
[01:38] <Xgates> will this work?
[01:38] <CarlK> Xgates - then how do all the startup scrips that run as root run?
[01:38] <DutchFish> Xgates nope
[01:38] <Hedgehog> what are some fun free games for linux?
[01:39] <CarlK> Xgates - I don't think runlevel 1 knows about "users" yet
[01:39] <Xgates> what grub can boot --> init=/bin/bash rw
[01:39] <sydneyfong> Xgates: in your bootloader, type [image]  init=/bin/bash rw and then edit the /etc/passwd file
[01:39] <Xgates> sydneyfong:  [image]  ?
[01:39] <SeamusLP> Hedgehog:  Freeciv is one that I play a lot
[01:40] <SeamusLP> it's a remake of Sid Meier's civilization 2
[01:40] <Hedgehog> a strategy game"?
[01:40] <SeamusLP> Yep
[01:40] <sydneyfong> probably "linux"
[01:40] <Xgates> I've never messed with /etc/passwd before how do you add root into it?
[01:41] <mjr> Hedgehog, tuxracer, egoboo, frozen-bubble
[01:41] <sydneyfong> first line of /etc/passwd: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[01:41] <SeamusLP> Hedgehog:  It's not bad singleplayer, but it's the most fun multiplayer
[01:41] <sydneyfong> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[01:41] <Xgates> ok
[01:41] <paulfox> how are unix directories pronounced? is usr "user", and etc "etcetera"?
[01:41] <Xgates> paulfox: yes
[01:41] <paulfox> Xgates, cheers
[01:42] <Ycros> does ubuntu use the cfq scheduler by default?
[01:42] <sydneyfong> and then change your password using `passwd` (if your shadow file is damaged too)
[01:42] <mjr> Hedgehog, oh, and pingus, and supertux :)
[01:42] <Hedgehog> trying all these out now
[01:43] <Xgates> sydneyfong: when you install Ubuntu as default what does it do, take the user passwd and make it the same for root?
[01:44] <xmux> paulfox: a lot of people say 'et-see'
[01:44] <sydneyfong> Xgates, I've never installed ubuntu before ;-p (i'm a debian user...)
[01:44] <Xgates> k
[01:44] <Xgates> sydneyfong: thanks
[01:45] <mjr> Xgates, root account is disabled, and the first user is given full sudo rights
[01:45] <epicenter> What is a good video re-encoding program for Linux/Ubuntu? Preferably one I can cut out a bit of a video and re-encode, or do the whole thing, like VirtualDub for Windows.
[01:46] <epicenter> A good DVD ripping app would also really come in handy, although I guess I may have to do s tuff like manual decryption, demuxing, recompressing and remuxing, huh?
[01:46] <mjr> epicenter, dvdrip from marillat is good for the latter
[01:46] <Sp4rKy> please a distrib (based on debian if it can) for a server ?
[01:47] <mjr> kino might be for the former, but I don't really know
[01:47] <epicenter> I can try that
[01:47] <epicenter> last time I did kino crashed the second it started
[01:47] <mjr> then there's of course cinelerra, which might be overkill ;)
[01:48] <epicenter> What's the best de/compression tool with support for RAR and ZIP?
[01:48] <mjr> (and it's not packaged)
[01:48] <epicenter> (7z nice but not required)
[01:48] <azad> hi.. is there an alternative sources-list for hoary
[01:49] <ubuntu> Hello, is there a GTK/GNOME tool that allows me to edit MP3 ID3 tags?
[01:49] <epicenter> apt-cache search id3
[01:49] <epicenter> azad: you usually just add new soruces to your OWN list.
[01:49] <azad> mmja
[01:50] <Burgundavia> ubuntu, easytag
[01:50] <CarlK> for my install-swap-hd project, I figure it is a good idea to dump the ubuntu cd onto the drive - will /etc/apt/sources.list look to a local dir?
[01:50] <Arnia> ubuntu: cantus3 :)
[01:50] <SeamusLP> ubuntu:  I know amarok has an id3 editor in it
[01:50] <mjr> CarlK, yes, file:// uris should work
[01:50] <azad> epicenter: but i wonder why the old servers don't work anymore.. or there isn't an update since 3 days or sth
[01:50] <CarlK> mjr - thanks
[01:50] <Burgundavia> SeamusLP, amarok != gtk app
[01:51] <no0tic> How can I integrate spamassassin into evolution?
[01:51] <SeamusLP> oh yeah, that's right
[01:51] <Sp4rKy> et enguarde secure linux ?
[01:51] <epicenter> What's the best archiving/dearchiving tool in your opinion, people?
[01:51] <Sp4rKy> sorry
[01:51] <epicenter> There are too many :P
[01:51] <SeamusLP> epicenter:  tar? heh
[01:51] <epicenter> GUI based
[01:52] <azad> epicenter: unpacking with unp
[01:52] <epicenter> there  a good tool that does compression and decompression?
[01:52] <corp> hello
[01:52] <SeamusLP> Well I use file-roller for unpacking
[01:52] <epicenter> ark has a tendency to fail to read my files
[01:52] <corp> how do i get packages remotely through a proxy?
[01:52] <SeamusLP> I installed the nonfree rar package and it takes care of it quite well
[01:52] <SeamusLP> Although it is shareware...
[01:53] <corp> i want to install wine.
[01:53] <SeamusLP> corp you can add a proxy to synaptic in the preferences menu
[01:53] <Burgundavia> corp, what are you looking to do with it?
[01:54] <nydust> is there any gui ssh client? that support cut and paste.. I use putty now, but cant paste teks.
[01:54] <corp> burg: with wine? well, run windows apps
[01:54] <corp> burg: mainly, IE for testing
[01:55] <bretzel>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY lus3br
[01:55] <Burgundavia> corp, IE should work with the wine package in the repos
[01:55] <EvilIdler> Hehe../msg nickserv with a ghost command now ;)
[01:55] <Burgundavia> corp, although the issue with IE you pretty much need a windows install
[01:55] <epicenter> I'm using the latest source of Wine, and only a few choice apps work. :(
[01:56] <epicenter> Even simple shit like Mspaint and Notepad crash
[01:56] <epicenter> Virtualdub's Open dialog box doesn't display right, you can't pick jack
[01:56] <epicenter> Photoshop crashes as it can't find my registry info
[01:56] <corp> all i really need is IE. i dont suppose there is some free alternative to vmware...