[21:24] <blackboxsw> nice powersj thanks for ubuntulog2
[21:24] <powersj> that should do it
[21:33] <meena> i think the changes that rharper requested are already in.
[21:33] <meena> (and smoser approved…)
[22:00] <smoser> that pull request was kinda crazy
[22:00] <smoser> ending up in like 10 lines of code and 30 of test ;)
[22:03] <powersj> Odd_Bloke, fyi I updated rtd to use github and confirmed the build works
[22:04] <powersj> it was still pointing at our launchpad url
[22:04] <powersj> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/security.html now shows up
[22:05] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: Great!
[22:07] <meena> aaaaaaand another one: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/93
[22:09] <meena> now to find out how to discourage https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1855170 or document or whatever…
[22:09] <meena> or perhaps just ask Hetzner to remove that damn distro line from their # cloud-config
[22:23] <blackboxsw> interesting. meena on that bug, I'd expect that the cloud-platform should not be setting an opinion on what the distro is expected to be from metadata checking the details on that
[22:24] <blackboxsw> the "system_info: distro specification is generally expected from the image filesystem"
[22:24] <meena> blackboxsw: especially since they allow to override the installation via ISO 🤣
[22:24] <blackboxsw> if you had cloud-init query --all on the platform that exhibited that info that'd be cool
[22:25] <blackboxsw> it *should* show all metadata consumed by cloud-init (I think)
[22:25] <blackboxsw> sudo cloud-init query --all
[22:25]  * blackboxsw doesn't have a heztner account afaik
[22:25] <meena> blackboxsw: https://gist.github.com/igalic/e637014696e7f0f8a69023a9fe873e15
[22:26] <meena> ignore the userdata
[22:27] <meena> cloud-init hasn't gotten that far yet xD
[22:29] <blackboxsw> nice puppet facts :)
[22:29] <blackboxsw> anyhow, ok vendor data is what's setting ubuntu as distro potentially?
[22:30] <meena> s/potentially?//
[22:30]  * blackboxsw needs to figure out a good oneliner  to unmime unjson that vendordata content
[22:41] <rharper> blackboxsw: we could add a --decode flag to query ?
[22:41] <meena> well, if i query only vendordata, you get something more useful
[22:42] <meena> https://gist.github.com/d89bf0775ed9233987248d547929ac1f
[22:42] <blackboxsw> nice paste meena thx
[22:43] <blackboxsw> yeah I'd expect if you were launching a non-ubuntu instance, vendordata can't set distro: ubuntu that's busted
[22:43] <blackboxsw> that sounds like a platform bug
[22:44] <rharper> what's all in vendor data? user-data can disable vendor data
[22:44] <meena> rharper: oh?
[22:44] <meena> wait a damn minute… where's the network config?!
[22:45] <meena> oh, under network config
[22:47] <meena> or not…
[22:48] <meena> on my other server, running a very old version of cloud-init, i can query ds.meta_data.network_config
[22:48] <meena> but not on this one :(
[22:49] <meena> i wonder why
[22:53] <meena> i think i'm gonna have a lot more patching to do
[22:53] <meena> some other time.
[22:54] <meena> Good night folks o/~
[23:10] <chillysurfer> on a bionic machine, trying to run cloud-tests and getting an error `No storage pool found. Please create a new storage pool`. any thoughts? i ran this example exactly: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/tests.html#treerun-and-treecollect (the tree_run)
[23:12] <powersj> by default we try to use LXD, that certainly sounds like you don't have lxd setup
[23:12] <chillysurfer> ah yeah that's probably it
[23:12] <chillysurfer> actually looks like lxd pkg is already installed
[23:13] <powersj> have you run lxd init?
[23:13] <blackboxsw> Lxd unit then
[23:13] <blackboxsw> Oops lxd init
[23:15] <chillysurfer> looks like that might've done it
[23:18] <chillysurfer> if i only want to run cloud-tests on azure, do i just comment out the ec2 config in platforms.yaml?
[23:19] <chillysurfer> actually do i just set --build-platform to azurecloud then?
[23:19] <chillysurfer> ah i bet that's what it is
[23:19] <powersj> chillysurfer, that should do it
[23:19] <chillysurfer> powersj: nice thanks
[23:19] <powersj> we default the platform to lxd since it is fast and easier to run usually
[23:19] <powersj> and doesn't cost money :D
[23:20] <chillysurfer> i'm going to see if the read_file_or_url regression (that was already fixed) is caught with cloud-tests


[12:39] <nickrud> http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu #13
[12:39] <nickrud> arhg
[12:43] <Madpilot> hmm?
[01:22] <nickrud> Burgundavia mpt savages us once again
[01:22] <nickrud> Burgundavia http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2006/01/01/breezy\
[01:26] <Madpilot> #66 on that page is something I've been complaining about for months ;)
[01:26] <Madpilot> basically, most of the Ubuntu docs open with a giant pile of copyright info, version info, and similar useless crap...
[01:57] <nickrud> docbook right
[06:48] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: do we have a wiki page pointing to IsoImage?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> where is IsoImage?
[06:49] <jsgotangco> because http://www.ubuntu.com/support/custom/hplaptops point to it
[06:49] <Burgundavia> that page does not exist
[06:49] <Burgundavia> I will create it now
[06:50] <Burgundavia> was that HP stuff not merged into Breezy anyway?
[06:50] <jsgotangco> no idea
[06:54] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, created
[06:54] <jsgotangco> nice thanks
[07:03] <Burgundavia> nickrud, ping
[07:04] <nickrud> Burgundavia, pong
[07:04] <Burgundavia> holy crap 349 articles in cat cleanup
[07:04] <nickrud> 3 minutes from now, no response :)
[07:05] <Burgundavia> nickrud, on NewJava, please tell people that most computers are i386
[07:05] <nickrud> :)
[07:05] <Burgundavia> so say PPC (Apple machines) or something similar
[07:05] <nickrud> this is pure bones, a lot more flesh needs to be added
[07:05] <Burgundavia> cool
[07:07] <nickrud> and, the java-package 0.27 stuff is very tentative, it may simply need to be moved to advanced java install
[07:07] <Burgundavia> cool, ok
[07:07] <Burgundavia> I avoid Java like the plague
[07:07] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, something that is no longer a bug in Breezy, nuke the page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sk98lin
[07:07] <nickrud> I haven't read anything about it in quite a while, before breezy for sure.
[07:08] <jsgotangco> i'd keep it till hoary and warty support dries up
[07:09] <Burgundavia> we need to move it to a better place then
[07:11] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, the reason I say nuke is that is the only time people are likely to run into it as it install time and thus it is unlikely that anybody would be installing hoary now
[07:11] <jsgotangco> well i would still keep it for archive purposes until support gets dropped
[07:20] <Burgundavia> lost as to a better name to put it under
[07:32] <Madpilot> hi all - have a good new year's eve?
[07:33] <Burgundavia> quiet
[07:33] <Burgundavia> I flooded people's inboxes for fun and profit
[07:33] <Madpilot> no partying until the wee hours? :P
[08:14] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: ping?
[08:18] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, pong
[08:19] <jsgotangco> i still couldn't get past that bloddy locales bug
[08:19] <Burgundavia> did you remove locales?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> the key thing is that you must remove all language packs
[08:19] <jsgotangco> i havent
[08:20] <Burgundavia> removing the locales package shoudl remove all language packs
[08:20] <jsgotangco> and then?
[08:21] <Burgundavia> install the old locales from you dapper flight 2 cd
[08:21] <Burgundavia> then install the new locales
[08:21] <Burgundavia> and then install new language packs
[08:21] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, can I ask you opinion about licensing?
[08:22] <jsgotangco> im not that good with it but sure
[09:14] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille
[09:14] <robitaille> bonsoir Burgundavia
[09:50] <Madpilot> robitaille: evening - how was your New Years?
[09:51] <robitaille> Madpilot,  it was pretty relaxed.    I have been on vacation since before Christmas, and I'm starting to get use to not do a lot beside a few things with the kids
[09:52] <robitaille> that window security vulnerability seems pretty nasty.   I'm glad I rarely use windows nowadays
[09:52] <Madpilot> sounds good - I was out at a friend's until 0300...
[09:52] <Madpilot> another MS hole? what a surprise! :P
[09:54] <jsgotangco> the WMF thing? yeah that's pretty nasty
[09:55] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  the sad part is that my kids uses Win98 from time to time for their game.  I think I'll have to turn off the networking on it; I don't really want to spend the money to upgrade them :)
[09:56] <robitaille> but they are starting to discover edubuntu :)
[09:56] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[09:56] <jsgotangco> but i think it only affects 2k up
[09:57] <robitaille> nope.  Win98 is affected from what I have seen, but no support from anywhere
[10:00] <jsgotangco> ouchh
[10:00] <jsgotangco> good thing i only connect to games in windows
[12:51] <mdke> jdub, is the new planet up, or is that the old one?
[03:07] <mdke> jdub, is the new planet up, or is that the old one?
[06:54] <mhz> hi guys
[06:54] <mhz> I just read the news letterr
[06:55] <mhz> good work
[06:55] <mhz> and it looks god in the wiki perspective
[06:55] <mhz> I was wondering if it is of any use to translate that letter into spanish?
[07:06] <mhz> mdke: any opinions?
[07:20] <mdke> mhz, sure thing, maybe coordinate with the spanish locoteam to put it on their website?
[07:21] <mhz> okis
[07:22] <mhz> .oO(i had gorgotten there was a spanish team translators)
[09:33] <GnuKemist> mdke, hi... got a minute?
[09:35] <OgMaciel> mdke, ping
[10:07] <mdke> OgMaciel, pong
[10:08] <mdke> odd idea to send the portughese version to all those mailing lists ;)
[10:08] <OgMaciel> mdke, hehehe... I figured there are Brazilians in those lists as well
[10:09] <OgMaciel> mdke, I sent the translated Desktop News to their list too...
[10:09] <mdke> even news?
[10:09] <OgMaciel> nope
[10:09] <mdke> i'd try the portughese lists
[10:09] <OgMaciel> not news
[10:10] <mdke> the others are english-specific
[10:10] <OgMaciel> mdke, gotcha...  will take your advice in consideration
[10:10] <mdke> imagine if tall languages did that ;)
[10:10] <OgMaciel> mdke, some people may flame me for this later... ;)
[10:10] <OgMaciel> mdke, it would be a babel tower
[10:11] <mdke> OgMaciel, what was it you pinged me about?
[10:12] <OgMaciel> mdke, wanted to ask you which lists to send it too... ;)
[10:12] <OgMaciel> mdke, too late now... ;)
[10:12] <mdke> ah, sorry i wasn't around :)
[10:12] <OgMaciel> mdke, no worries buddy
[10:12] <OgMaciel> mdke, thanks for getting back though
[10:13] <mdke> ubuntu-pt and ubuntu-br :)
[10:13] <OgMaciel> mdke, hope you had a great new years
[10:13] <OgMaciel> hehe
[10:13] <mdke> yeah, thanks you too
[10:13] <OgMaciel> will remember that
[10:13] <mdke> bbl
[10:13] <OgMaciel> k
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ugh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound/Problems/Mic
[10:33] <Burgundavia> mdke, should I nuke the above page
[10:33] <Burgundavia> ?


[02:00] <wemeetagain> is there any documentation/information about how ubuntu is handling the transiion to the c++11 abi?
[02:02] <wemeetagain> are packages in 16.04 being compiled with dual abi/ c++11 abi support?
[04:56] <RAOF> wemeetagain: Nope; it's all new ABI.
[08:11] <xnox> PHLin, new launchpadlib should be in yakkety now - could you please test if that's all good now?
[08:12] <PHLin> xnox, ok let me try
[09:25] <PHLin> xnox, hey there, launchpadlib tested with Yakkety dailylive image, and it works, thanks!
[09:30] <xnox> PHLin, whoop whoop.
[09:30] <xnox> PHLin, I see that in your repository you have a port to python3 for this helper lptk library or some such. It's packaged in the distribution as well, are you planning to upload python3 version of it into Yakkety too?
[09:41] <cjwatson> xnox: Maybe you should wait for review ... your launchpadlib r152 will crash if you pass unicode to that method on Python 2
[09:42] <cjwatson> oh, wait, will it
[09:42] <cjwatson> Yeah, it will if it's unicode and contains non-ASCII characters
[09:42] <PHLin> xnox, need to ask bjf, that port exists before I took part in this :D
[09:43] <cjwatson> xnox: why not "if isinstance(query_string, bytes)"?
[09:52] <xnox> bah, at the moment it bail on me in different way now.
[09:52] <xnox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23057847/ -> even in python3
[09:54]  * xnox thinks i've screwed up multiple times
[09:54] <cjwatson> no, that one is my fault, will fix
[09:56] <cjwatson> fixed in r153, was a regression in r146
[09:57] <xnox> cjwatson, ack. I rolled back to 145, applied my credentials file fix, and it works correctly.
[09:57] <xnox> cjwatson, as far as understand in python2 the query_string is unicode object, not string.
[09:58] <xnox> no that's wrong.
[09:59] <cjwatson> Don't care what it is; my point is that you can't necessarily decode a unicode object.
[10:00] <xnox> true.
[10:00] <cjwatson> >>> sys.version
[10:00] <cjwatson> '2.7.12 (default, Jul  1 2016, 15:12:24) \n[GCC 5.4.0 20160609]'
[10:00] <cjwatson> >>> u'é'.decode('utf-8')
[10:00] <cjwatson> ...
[10:00] <cjwatson> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
[10:00] <xnox> but i only need to decode in python3. And "if isinstance(query_string, bytes)" breaks in python2 for this case
[10:01] <cjwatson> Why does it break?
[10:01] <xnox> as str & bytes are the same in python, and decoding code path is triggered.
[10:01]  * xnox checks my previous py3 macros in that file
[10:01] <cjwatson> And why does that break?
[10:02] <cjwatson> In one of my previous comments I noted that it should work fine with unicode on Python 2.
[10:02] <xnox> in other places we do
[10:02] <xnox> 153        if not isinstance(value, unicode_type):
[10:02] <xnox> 154            value = value.decode('utf-8')
[10:03] <xnox> which is correct, as we correctly set unicode_type to be the right thing for python2 and python3.
[10:04] <cjwatson> I think either your approach or mine would work.
[10:04] <xnox> horum yes.
[10:04] <xnox> $ python2 -c "if isinstance('string', bytes): 'string'.decode('utf-8')"
[10:04] <xnox> does not explode.
[10:12] <xnox> cjwatson, changed to use "if isinstance(query_string, binary_type)" which is actually the same as "if isinstance(query_string, bytes)" given the macros at the start of the file.
[10:12] <xnox> and i guess i'll need both of these commits uploaded now.
[10:14] <cjwatson> what?
[10:14] <cjwatson> if you mean "if isinstance(query_string, bytes)" then just write that.
[10:14] <cjwatson> no reason to use binary_type.
[10:16] <cjwatson> in fact binary_type should not exist; it's only for compatibility with pre-2.6 and we don't care about that any more.
[10:16] <cjwatson> xnox: ^-
[10:18] <xnox> what was special about pre-2.6 that warranted that. I'm pretty sure binary-type was cargo-culted from six / write py2&3 compatible code guides.
[10:18] <cjwatson> xnox: pre-2.6 didn't have "bytes"
[10:18] <xnox> oh
[10:18] <xnox> quite, don't care about that.
[10:19] <cjwatson> six was designed to support quite old versions of Python, but launchpadlib has no good reason to care
[10:19] <cjwatson> even six probably doesn't particularly any more, but inertia
[10:20] <xnox> yeap.
[10:21] <cjwatson> now, my approach does mean that AccessToken will be constructed with unicode attributes
[10:21] <cjwatson> so actually perhaps "if not isinstance(value, unicode_type)" is safer
[10:24] <xnox> cjwatson, python3 -c "from launchpadlib import launchpad as lp; lp.Launchpad.login_with('foobar', credentials_file='foobar.txt')" still explodes in both python2 & 3.
[10:24] <xnox> in a different spot now.
[10:24] <xnox> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23058020/
[10:25] <xnox> correct because i shall not copy & paste bad things
[10:25] <cjwatson> your code is broken :)
[10:26] <cjwatson> so yeah, s/content/query_string/g in that bit and may as well make it the slightly more conservative not unicode_type test while you're there.
[10:27] <xnox> yeah credentials is conservative like that: if unicode_type to serialise; if not unicode_type to decode.
[10:51] <RAOF> Hm. What's the way we get new CI'd projects into the archive?
[11:21] <ginggs> doko: libixion and liborcus need updated symbols for the gcc6/boost1.61 transition, do they need a soname bump as well?
[11:23] <sitter> juliank: hey. any thoughts on the os-release mess? I am thinking only using it for is_like right now as to preserve capitalization from lsb_release, but long-term this really needs an API behavior break and coerce the Distribution attributes id, codename and release to lower case so we have normalized expectations both internally and externally
[11:24] <juliank> I don't think anyone is relying on the casing of the distro names?
[11:25] <sitter> juliank: I am always wary of breaking behavior, regardless of whether I know it is used :)
[11:25] <juliank> But I'm probably wrong.
[11:25] <juliank> s/'m probably/might be/
[12:26] <Riddell> bdmurray: ping?
[14:59] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: Where are we on getting sagari's kernel upgraded to something that can handle metadata_csum?
[15:11] <dobey> hmm
[15:11] <dobey> how do seeds handle conditional dependencies when building the ISOs for example?
[15:14] <doko> ginggs, libixion is in NEW
[15:24] <zul> can someone please promote python-ws4py please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-ws4py/+bug/1590425
[15:33] <ogra_> dobey, depends on the flavour ... some use tasks and some use metapackages ... both resolve slightly different
[15:37] <dobey> ogra_: right, but say i need to support both snaps and clicks, and so i want to have "snapd | click" as a dependency, what happens?
[15:38] <ogra_> well, you seed both or one ... and hope for the best :P
[15:47] <ginggs> doko: yup i see 0.12 experimental there, i uploaded 0.11 with updated symbols in the meantime
[15:49] <cjwatson> dobey: seeds don't have conditional dependencies; you have to pick one
[15:49] <cjwatson> dobey: they exist to be opinionated
[15:50] <cjwatson> dobey: but are you in fact talking about what happens if something that is seeded itself has alternative dependencies?
[15:50] <cjwatson> dobey: rather than trying to put alternatives in the seeds themselves?
[15:50] <dobey> cjwatson: yes
[15:51] <dobey> cjwatson: so if my package, which is seeded, has a conditional dep, and both are in main, does first get picked?
[15:55] <cjwatson> dobey: in most cases yes, though it's a little bit more complicated than that.  the algorithm is as follows: (1) are any of the alternatives explicitly (i.e. not just via deps) listed in this seed?  if so, pick the first.  (2) is the first alternative explicitly listed in a seed that inherits from this seed?  if so pick that.  (3) are any of the other alternatives explicitly listed in a "close-by" s
[15:55] <cjwatson> eed (i.e. one that generates the same ...
[15:55] <cjwatson> ... task, as defined by Task-Seeds headers)?  if so, pick the first.  (4) pick the first of the alternatives that exists.
[15:55] <cjwatson> dobey: the point of all this palaver is to make it possible for flavours to pick different versions of things by explicitly seeding them, but to use sensible defaults.
[15:57] <cjwatson> dobey: it is not relevant whether any of the dependencies are in main; seeds are used to define what's in main, so we don't circularly use what's in main to define how seeds expand.
[15:58] <dobey> hmm, ok
[17:18] <wemeetagain> RAOF: are packages built with the --std=c++11 option set as well?
[17:20] <wemeetagain> RAOF: from https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/using_dual_abi.html , it appears that the ABI can be set independently of the --std option
[18:31] <mterry> bdmurray: so about unity-api-bugs vs -team...  Does the -bugs team even seem useful if it's just two people?
[18:31] <mterry> bdmurray: the -team team is already subscribed to most of their packages, it doesn't seem like they are looking to avoid bugmail
[18:34] <bdmurray> mterry: The number of the people related to the team doesn't really matter. The team is just an entity for scripts which create reports like http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-y-tracking-bug-tasks.html. I'm fine with switching the team though, iirc I just created teams in some cases as the quickest way to get the reports up and running.
[18:35] <mterry> bdmurray: but I thought one point was that somewhere someone was reading the bugmail
[18:37] <bdmurray> mterry: yes, for new MIRs that's true.
[18:39] <mterry> bdmurray: if you don't care, I'd just as soon use the LP team that the actual maintainers are using
[18:39] <bdmurray> mterry: That makes sense to me


[00:00] <quidnunc> Why do I get a different RSA key when downloading snapper source (apt-get source) than what is listed at the ppa?
[01:53] <epikvision> join #ubuntu-meeting
[07:32] <trijntje> Hi all, I would like to get a package into ubuntu (not into debian). It's a package which is used to build customized/localized iso images for ubuntu
[07:32] <trijntje> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-defaults-nl-team/ubuntu-defaults-nl/ubuntu-defaults-nl
[07:34] <trijntje> there are already two similar packages present in 12.10: ubuntu-defaults-zh-cn, ubuntu-defaults-it
[07:35] <trijntje> what kind of changes would I have to make to have the package accepted?
[10:51] <demonfire> http://brig.co
[13:39] <highvoltage> sudo powertop
[14:35] <highvoltage> ah that's where that went
[14:35] <highvoltage> btw I'm downstairs outnumbered by linaro guys so if anyone is around already please come down :)
[14:38]  * micahg waves to highvoltage
[14:47] <highvoltage> hey milli
[14:47] <highvoltage> micahg, even :)
[16:34] <ssweeny> hrw, ping
[20:48] <jtaylor> goodby natty chroot, you were my favorite codename :(
[21:26] <hrw> ssweeny: pong


[15:02] <barry> o/
[15:02]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <cyphermox> o/
[15:03] <tdaitx> o/
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu May 26 15:03:35 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk)
[15:04] <slangasek> bdmurray infinity cyphermox doko robru chiluk barry pitti tdaitx sil2100 slangasek xnox caribou
[15:04] <cyphermox> so close!
[15:04]  * tdaitx sorry, brb
[15:04] <bdmurray> submitted RT re updating daisy to r704
[15:04] <bdmurray> submitted RT re daisy update and setting timeout to 90 seconds
[15:04] <bdmurray> pinged webops regarding removal of extra retracers that were added due to swift issues
[15:05] <bdmurray> investigation into extra core files in swift
[15:05] <bdmurray> bumped up gunicorn timeout to 90 seconds so we will stop killing workers that are writing core files
[15:05] <bdmurray> investigation into retracers failing w/ large core files (LP: #1570937)
[15:05] <bdmurray> fixed submit-crash to strip the SAS so core files are always sent
[15:05] <bdmurray> submitted RT regarding access to ports.ubuntu.com from devops env
[15:05] <bdmurray> tested retracing of arm64 / ppc64el crashes
[15:05] <bdmurray> reported apport bug LP: #1585702 re failure to retrace ppc64el crashes
[15:05] <bdmurray> tested apport changes to not check uname for arch
[15:05] <bdmurray> worked with cyphermox on LP: #1566201 (apturl)
[15:05] <bdmurray> 16.04 apport and apturl SRU verification
[15:05] <bdmurray> I'l be out on Monday which is a US holiday
[15:05] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:06] <slangasek> no sign of infinity
[15:06] <slangasek> cyphermox:
[15:06] <cyphermox> - Secure Boot
[15:06] <cyphermox> - debugging various installer issues
[15:06] <cyphermox> - backporting shim-signed / sbsigntool to trusty & precise.
[15:06] <cyphermox> - ltrace SRU
[15:06] <cyphermox> - debugging apturl w/ bdmurray
[15:06] <cyphermox> - aptdaemon pkcompat & pk 1.1 testing
[15:06] <cyphermox> - debugging grub efi missing configfile line w/ rharper
[15:06] <cyphermox> - fix live-installer /cdrom prefixing (bug LP: #1575652)
[15:06] <cyphermox> - network-manager-applet mobile data icon fix & SRU (LP: #1571574)
[15:06] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:08] <slangasek> doko: around?
[15:08] <cyphermox> isn't it a holiday in germany?
[15:08] <slangasek> oh yes
[15:08] <slangasek> robru:
[15:09] <slangasek> chiluk:
[15:10] <chiluk> * Mostly distracted with customer irqbalance issues.
[15:10] <chiluk> Intel power management issues. Affecting Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake
[15:10] <chiluk> * Kernel.org bugzilla #116591 - Mobile does not reach states deeper
[15:10] <chiluk>   than PC2.  Tested with nvme, but received no benefit.
[15:10] <chiluk> * LP #1581236 - Haswell does not reach greater than pc3
[15:10] <chiluk> * LP #1579917 - Skylake with nvme does not reach greater than pc2
[15:10] <chiluk> * LP #1576747 - Tested updated nm-applet. Issue still exists.
[15:10] <chiluk> * LP #1581595 - Merge partman-auto-lvm - Need sponsorship
[15:10] <chiluk> (done)
[15:10] <cyphermox> chiluk: ack, will sponsor your partman-auto-lvm
[15:11] <chiluk> thanks.
[15:11] <barry> ubuntu-image: struggling and failing w/travis; landing auth pr; landing docs branch; discovering python issue #27066! various discussions; converting zyga's proto.sh to python
[15:11] <barry> reviews: robru's parallel build branch; sil2100's system-image branch
[15:11] <chiluk> yeah I was going to push on it, but I figured cjwatson or xnox might want to do the review, as that makes sense.
[15:11] <barry> python issue#27066 (custom opener returning -1 causes SystemError)
[15:11] <barry> LP: #1578761 (rebuild & verification)
[15:11] <barry> pycon prep - in portland starting tomorrow until june 5
[15:11] <barry> --done--
[15:13] <tdaitx> = JCK
[15:13] <tdaitx>    - retrying runtime tests with xfwm4 (fewer tests fail on the automated run)
[15:13] <tdaitx>    - investigating services to automate JCK runs and provide detailed reports on test runs, errors, failures, and regressions
[15:13] <tdaitx>    - testing javatest regression reports
[15:13] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:15] <slangasek> no pitti because holiday in Germany; no sil2100 because holiday in Poland; so it's my turn :)
[15:15] <slangasek>  * work on ubuntu-image for snappy image autobuilding
[15:15] <slangasek>  * design discussions around the first boot experience in snappy
[15:15] <slangasek>  * discussions of network yaml configuration for cloud-init
[15:15] <slangasek>  * additional snappy hush hush special projects work
[15:15] <slangasek>  * off on Monday (Memorial Day, US)
[15:15] <slangasek> (done)
[15:15] <slangasek> and xnox is on holiday
[15:15] <slangasek> caribou:
[15:16] <slangasek> oh, he sent a mail saying he'd miss the meeting
[15:16] <slangasek> WELL THEN
[15:16] <slangasek> nobody likes my meeting this week, /apparently/
[15:16]  * slangasek flounce
[15:16] <slangasek> any questions? :)
[15:16] <slangasek> (about status)
[15:16] <slangasek> (not about my sanity)
[15:17] <bdmurray> slangasek: has apport on snappy been discussed at all?
[15:17] <cyphermox> thanks for the new word.
[15:17] <bdmurray> I remembered about this the other day - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1489410/comments/6
[15:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: if it has, not recently or in my earshot
[15:19] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay
[15:19] <slangasek> bdmurray: that is, I know people were thinking about error tracker for snappy 1y+ ago, but I don't know if it's come up again or where it sits in the plan; I think we do probably want to take the initiative there and revisit the question soon
[15:19] <slangasek> (though the snappy team are working to a hard deadline next month, so probably not just this instant)
[15:20] <bdmurray> got it
[15:21] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:22] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:22] <slangasek> btw we do have a sprint coming up on us rather quickly again
[15:22] <bdmurray> ah, yes
[15:23] <bdmurray> I guess its SRU team related though but should the team members just be added to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/britney2-ubuntu/view/head:/britney.conf#L38?
[15:24] <slangasek> looks like the Agenda tab on https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18GcvRfvPemTpn6lAbDNIQ6i2IXKM1ZwHfrjO24Qkank/edit#gid=1428105284 has a carry-over of our last sprint agenda - would somebody like to volunteer to create a new agenda doc and link it in?
[15:24] <slangasek> bdmurray: yes, that's JFDI
[15:24] <tdaitx> I forgot to add a status note saying that I will be on vacation the week before our sprint =)
[15:24] <slangasek> bdmurray: fwiw the reason for having one file per person, historically, is that different people had access to different commands in Debian
[15:25] <slangasek> bdmurray: that doesn't apply to us in Ubuntu, so I have thought it might make sense to smush everything into a single file (per branch) and just use revision history to see who did what
[15:26] <slangasek> but I haven't taken the time to deal with that either
[15:26] <slangasek> bdmurray: but you should feel free to fix this in either direction :)
[15:26] <bdmurray> heh, okay
[15:29] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:30] <bdmurray> not from me
[15:30] <slangasek> caribou: hi, we were just wrapping ;)
[15:30] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May 26 15:30:57 2016 UTC.
[15:30] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-05-26-15.03.moin.txt
[15:30] <slangasek> thanks, all :)
[15:32] <caribou> :-/


[09:37] <ivebeenlinuxed> Hi All, I'm looking to do UEFI PXE netboot with Preseed - I have got the first bit to work (UEFI PXE), but not preseeding, anyone got any ideas?
[09:38] <cjwatson> Nothing special about UEFI for that; just put url= or whatever on the command line
[09:39] <ivebeenlinuxed> My understanding was UEFI couldn't boot pxeboot.0, so I opted for the grub-mkimage option (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/PXE-netboot-install) where would I put the preseed "url="?
[09:43] <cjwatson> That particular method would require unpacking the .iso so that you can edit grub.cfg
[09:43] <cjwatson> I can't be responsible for everything on the wiki :-)
[09:44] <cjwatson> I would recommend using grub-mknetdir instead
[09:45] <cjwatson> Kernel command line arguments need to go on the relevant "linux" line in grub.cfg - you can poke around in the .iso to get an example
[09:45] <ivebeenlinuxed> The editing the ISO was going to be my next plan! I'll look up grub-mknetdir command now. Might have to make my debut edit on the Ubuntu Wiki!
[09:46] <cjwatson> There's also http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/uefi/grub2-amd64/current/grubnetx64.efi.signed, which is the result of grub-mkimage signed for use with UEFI Secure Boot
[09:46] <cjwatson> You could then drop in a suitable grub.cfg
[09:48] <cjwatson> (The difference between grub-mkimage and grub-mknetdir is just that the latter produces something designed for shoving on a TFTP server - grub-mkimage isn't bad for this as such, it's just that that particular wiki page runs it in a way that embeds the netboot ISO)
[09:49] <ivebeenlinuxed> hmmmmm interesting plan! I will investigate now!
[09:50] <cjwatson> Looks like that wiki page would appreciate editing for how to do preseeding, indeed :-)
[11:31] <ivebeenlinuxed> Thanks for the help cjwatson - I have blogged the instructions here - I don't use dnsmasq, so I copied that bit from the old tutorial. Is it worth replacing the instructions with a set like this on the Wiki? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/PXE-netboot-install). Does anyone have any suggestions of things I should add/remove?
[11:31] <ivebeenlinuxed> http://labs.mercianlabels.com/blog/uefi-pxe-netboot-with-preseeded-configuration
[11:47] <cjwatson> ivebeenlinuxed: Maybe talk with Kamal (orig author) and see what he thinks
[13:29] <Kingpatzer> hey folks: installed yesterday along side windows. Everything went great but windows wasn't in the grub menu. Followed some directions I saw online now nohting boots. looking at my drives, my / drive has only two files on it, @ and @home, which are direcotries. if I cd into '@' I see what looks like the / filesystem. Is that normal??
[13:40] <directhex> afternoon. apparently http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2215103 is now a thing, it's started affecting me when moving my preseed file from 12.04 to 14.04. *something* is mounting /dev/vda1 (/boot) to /media, before partman tries to format stuff, and it's falling over as a result
[16:37] <directhex> it's mountmedia.
[17:03] <directhex> more specifically, it's preseed calling mountmedia which leaves things in an inconsistent state
[18:33] <directhex> "preseed_fetch file:///cdrom/preseed/custom.seed /tmp/debconf-seed" causes /media to be mounted & not unmounted
[18:42] <directhex> looks like a change joeyh made in debian-installer-utils (1.98)


[00:10] <LLStarks> ****!
[00:10] <LLStarks> i just had an x crash an accidentally clicked cancel on the apport msg
[00:10] <LLStarks> any way to bring it back?
[00:40] <LLStarks> ?
[00:42] <albert23> LLStarks: the crash file should be in /var/crash. If it is, you can report the bug with apport-cli <filename>
[01:19] <LLStarks> albert23, it's not there.
[01:19] <LLStarks> ;_;


[05:01] <Juzzy> ooo
[05:01] <Juzzy> heh
[05:01] <Juzzy> I might be presenting "cloud technologies" to the local county computer club
[05:44] <cyberanger> Juzzy: ouch, that stinks
[05:44]  * cyberanger isn't a fan of cloud computing
[06:10] <Juzzy> well
[06:10] <Juzzy> you just don't understand it fully
[06:10] <Juzzy> the problem is "cloud" term is abused every way from sunday
[06:11] <Juzzy> a real "cloud" is the only way to build high traffic sites
[13:43] <cyberanger> Juzzy: so your talking load balancing, CDN's & such
[13:43] <wrst> howdy cyberanger
[13:45] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[13:48] <cyberanger> wrst: how's your day
[13:49] <wrst> going well cyberanger no wrenches in the fan yet
[13:49] <wrst> how about you cyberanger?
[13:51] <cyberanger> Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero
[13:51] <cyberanger> with that in mind, doing great ;-)
[13:52] <wrst> ha ha good cyberanger
[13:54] <Unit193> Howdy peopole :P
[13:54] <cyberanger> hey Unit193
[13:55] <wrst> hey Unit193
[13:55] <cyberanger> wrst: this e86 thing will take time, a real uncertainity atm
[13:55] <cyberanger> so yeah, small concern
[13:55] <wrst> cyberanger: well if I can help any other way let me know
[13:56] <cyberanger> wrst: so far, that's as far as I know, the tricky part is boarding school & IRC
[13:56] <cyberanger> means I know more than just the US, and I enjoy talking
[13:57] <cyberanger> something that security clearance isn't a fan of, and the testing will either shrug it off, or red flag it
[13:58] <cyberanger> (I don't think they'll deny it to me, just a headache, and concern for a bigger one to follow)
[14:24] <cyberanger> wrst: how's the move?
[14:26] <wrst> going well closed on the house yesterday cyberanger, so may move a few things tonight actually
[14:34] <cyberanger> nice
[14:52] <wrst> or may go purchase blinds I'm not for sure which one
[14:53] <cyberanger> or perhaps both :-)
[14:53] <wrst> we have a baby that is asleep by 8:30 probably don't have time for both :)
[16:17] <Xpistos> Hey all
[16:18] <Xpistos> wrst: Capo
[16:19] <wrst> hello Xpistos
[16:45] <cyberanger> hey Xpistos
[16:45] <Xpistos> hey
[16:45] <cyberanger> wrst: depends how quietly you can come back home
[16:45] <cyberanger> but yeah, it'd be hard to do both
[16:46] <cyberanger> Xpistos: how's it going
[16:46] <Xpistos> going
[16:46] <Xpistos> wife still looking for a job
[16:47] <cyberanger> Xpistos: same here, but I think I found one
[16:48] <Xpistos> good on ya
[16:48] <cyberanger> yeah, if it happens
[16:48] <cyberanger> what's your wife do, what's her career?
[16:50] <cyberanger> best I can do is keep an eye out, it's another pair
[16:58] <wrst> cyberanger: she is a teacher
[16:59] <Xpistos> yes
[16:59] <wrst> Xpistos: what does your wife do
[16:59] <wrst> and cyberanger sorry I answered the question you asked Xpistos!
[17:00] <cyberanger> wrst: that's fine, I thought that's what it was, but wanted to be double sure
[17:00] <cyberanger> that stings, with school in session in most of the state
[17:00] <wrst> oh no cyberanger that's what my wife does...
[17:01] <wrst> I had a terrible shortcoming in reading there for a moment
[17:14] <cyberanger> oh, and I had misunderstood
[17:14] <cyberanger> I thought you answered for him
[17:27] <cyberanger> Xpistos: what job is she trying to find?
[17:27] <Xpistos> teaching, teaching aid
[17:27] <Xpistos> sub
[17:28] <Xpistos> something in that field
[17:28] <Xpistos> but she has never had an actual teaching job
[17:28] <Xpistos> but she does have a masters in elem education
[17:29] <cyberanger> the hard part is the schools starting, and my ties aren't elem.
[17:29] <cyberanger> I'll keep an eye out
[18:06] <wrst> Xpistos: we found out that process is highly political in our area
[18:09] <cyberanger> wrst: public it seems political nearly everywhere
[18:10] <cyberanger> which seems stupid to me, there is a point when your too young for (foolish politics)
[18:10] <cyberanger> and having the teachers jump through those hoops, without showing the politics to kids, ouch
[18:10] <cyberanger> (even the private schools can be that way, I hate it)
[18:12] <wrst> i'm much more a believer in things should be merit based not who you know based
[18:12] <cyberanger> exactly
[18:13] <cyberanger> I can understand a security check deviating a little from that, but this is a teacher, come on
[18:14] <cyberanger> (security check isn't intrested in your job (unless your job is espionage, I suppose) but rather risk assesment that you'd violate the trust around your job)
[18:17] <wrst> oh yes I have no issue with that at all
[18:22] <cyberanger> I do dislike the high level of detail, but I respect it, and understand why
[18:22] <cyberanger> an unfortunate (and voluntary) necessity
[18:33]  * cyberanger now knows orias0_o is a bad master of disguise
[18:33] <Unit193> Heh
[18:34] <orias0_o> I can't get to my usual irssi configs so everythings weird :/
[18:34] <Unit193> Identify to NickServ? I would assume you have secure set
[18:40] <cyberanger> orias0_o: try that, if you haven't
[18:40] <cyberanger> orias0_o: that's your issue, you've set enforce, nick protection
[18:41] <Unit193> Nope Information on orias0_o (account orias)
[18:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: /msg nickserv info
[18:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: /msg nickserv info orias
[18:44] <Unit193> /nsinfo orias0_o will say something about being unregistered if he didn't identify
[18:45] <cyberanger> that's an alias I take it
[18:45] <Unit193> Yep just like /csaccess
[18:46] <cyberanger> it's registered, a group nick, but not showing him now
[18:46] <cyberanger> compare it to me, you'll see it says I was seen now
[18:46] <cyberanger> vs 4 hours ago
[18:48] <Unit193> Get info on kasom real quick though
[18:53] <cyberanger> anyone know of a Bonjour IM client, that does nothing else (I give bonus points if it's CLI or ncurses, but I'd settle for a gui for this)
[18:54] <orias0_o> its reg'd group'd, etc...
[18:54] <orias0_o> just forgot my passwd >_<
[19:57] <cyberanger> Unit193: have you messed around with pianobar's config file or it's FIFO support yet?
[19:57] <Unit193> cyberanger: Config a little but not FIFO
[19:58] <cyberanger> how little?
[19:58] <Unit193> Not much, what are you looking for?
[19:59] <cyberanger> nothing, I found too much too quick
[19:59] <cyberanger> more testing the waters
[19:59] <cyberanger> but I managed to take it's script ability & tie that into conky
[19:59] <cyberanger> and the fifo support seems functional to make a webui remote
[20:00] <cyberanger> might be enough to patchwork a home radio system out of an old box
[20:01] <cyberanger> already tied it into libnotify, I'm thinking with mgetty, I can pause it when I get a call, then have it resume when the line is clear
[20:05] <cyberanger> Unit193: I did give you a link to mgetty caller id, right?
[20:11] <Xpistos> cyberanger: can you get this page to load the video?
[20:11] <Xpistos> http://guide.opendns.com/main?url=szdtlvufoq2w
[20:11] <Xpistos> woops
[20:11] <Xpistos> not that one
[20:11] <Xpistos> http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/singAndSubmit.php?page=sing&subPage=gallery&content=37BBFFFF022B64880017015494C2
[20:11] <cyberanger> Xpistos: good, I'm too into OpenNIC for that ;-)
[20:11] <Xpistos> that one
[20:12] <cyberanger> just to be clear, I'm loading an ad, right?
[20:12] <Xpistos> no
[20:12] <Xpistos> it is a video of my daughter in a quaker signing competition
[20:12] <Xpistos> I can see it at work, but I can't from home and I want to know if it is linux issue or no
[20:12] <cyberanger> (odds are good it won't load, without disabling my adblocker due to the ads in http://ads.parentsconnect.com/ that's why I ask)
[20:12] <cyberanger> ok, lemme try
[20:13] <Xpistos> danke
[20:13] <cyberanger> Mit Vergnügen
[20:14] <Xpistos> I only know Danke, Bitte and Das Ist mein Finger
[20:15] <Xpistos> the granola bar should disappear and you should see a video waiting to be playe
[20:15] <Xpistos> d
[20:15] <cyberanger> you said thanks, I said With Pleasure
[20:15] <cyberanger> ;-)
[20:16] <cyberanger> the player did load, hit play, and it plays
[20:16] <Xpistos> what do you mean hit play and it plays?
[20:17] <Xpistos> if the player doesn't load?
[20:17] <cyberanger> the player did here, flash & firefox
[20:18] <Xpistos> so you can watching it from linux
[20:18] <cyberanger> small delay between pressing play (it's not set to autostart) and actually starting, but that's my settings I bet (I don't let flash do much of anything, unless it obeys my proxy settings)
[20:18] <Xpistos> not it doesn't auto start
[20:19] <cyberanger> yes, I did watch it, my custom ubuntu 11.04, firefox & flash
[20:19] <Xpistos> for some reason my computers at home won't play it
[20:19] <cyberanger> (aside from flash, and more restrictive settings on my system, nothing should be missing between our systems)
[20:20] <cyberanger> (I say aside from flash since it's not an ubuntu default, neither are my iptables rules)
[20:20] <cyberanger> brb
[20:20] <Xpistos> she can load the site and get the granola bar to load, but it doesn't load the pict?
[20:20] <Xpistos> ok
[20:29] <Xpistos> what I am I supposed to use to install an APT
[20:29] <Xpistos> Adobe won't let me download the file
[20:33] <cyberanger> back
[20:34] <cyberanger> how'd you install flash? sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer or firefox's plugin finder
[20:35] <Xpistos> firefox
[20:37] <Unit193> cyberanger: Sweet, going to make a sweet UI? :P
[20:37] <cyberanger> Xpistos: try via apt-get
[20:38] <cyberanger> Unit193: idk about sweet ;-)
[20:39] <Xpistos> it is installing now
[20:40] <Xpistos> 25%
[20:40] <Xpistos> 50%
[20:41] <Xpistos> 75%
[20:43] <Xpistos> now it works
[20:43] <Xpistos> let me check my home box
[20:55] <Xpistos> okay so it isn't working at home still, but I can check that a little more later
[21:05] <cyberanger> ok, lemme know, I've got an idea or two
[21:05] <cyberanger> so lemme know when your home


[18:01]  * stgraber waves
[18:01] <ajmitch> hi
[18:01] <highvoltage> *swoosh*
[18:02]  * ajmitch just needs to look up the runes for meetingology
[18:02] <ajmitch> #startmeeting Application Review Board
[18:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Mar 30 18:02:28 2012 UTC.  The chair is ajmitch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[18:02] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[18:03] <ajmitch> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda
[18:03] <ajmitch> sorry, still waking up :)
[18:04] <ajmitch> ok, we'll begin on that action review, I'll quickly go throuh & check what's still there from last month
[18:05] <ajmitch> #topic Action review
[18:06] <ajmitch> wendar: you were going to check with doko about when python-support will be removed from the archive, I'm guessing the answer is whenever it's not used anymore?
[18:06] <wendar> yup
[18:06] <wendar> it's moved to universe for Precise
[18:07] <wendar> which is still fine for Extras dependencies
[18:07] <wendar> but, right now we're manually removing it from packages
[18:07] <wendar> so, I suggest we keep doing that in Precise
[18:07] <ajmitch> right, it's easier to use dh_python2 anyway
[18:07] <wendar> and expect it may be gone from P+1
[18:08] <wendar> yeah, I much prefer dh_python2
[18:08] <ajmitch> ok, will mark that action as done
[18:09]  * ajmitch hasn't seen any movement on bug 894582, might be getting a bit late to get it fixed for precise unless it's done this week
[18:10] <ajmitch> anyone else feel inspired to take that on & see if it can be fixed for release?
[18:11]  * stgraber -> ENOTIME
[18:11] <ajmitch> stgraber: yeah, that's what I figured :)
[18:11] <ajmitch> I'll add it to my todo list then, but I don't have a great amount of spare time either right now
[18:12] <wendar> how about UDS?
[18:12] <ajmitch> wendar: sorry?
[18:12] <wendar> as in, talk about it at UDS and see if we can get some TUITs from elsewhere?
[18:12] <ajmitch> ah right, I was mostly wanting it for precise release, so people who build on precise can make packages that we don't have to change too much
[18:12] <wendar> If we could get it on mvo's list for next cycle, that'd be great
[18:13] <wendar> it seems too disruptive for an FFE
[18:13] <ajmitch> I'll try for this week, otherwise sort it at UDS
[18:13] <wendar> yup, sounds good
[18:14] <ajmitch> #action ajmitch to look at bug #894582
[18:14] <meetingology> ACTION: ajmitch to look at bug #894582
[18:14] <ajmitch> ok, now onto the developer-portal bugs
[18:15]  * highvoltage is listening, even though quiet
[18:15]  * ajmitch also hasn't seen any activity on there, and hasn't emailed david pitkin back, to nag him
[18:16] <ajmitch> highvoltage: it's ok, you can keep quiet & we'll assign the rest of the tasks to you :)
[18:16] <wendar> heh
[18:16] <highvoltage> I've already been a bad rmb member regarding my tasks already :(
[18:17] <ajmitch> heh
[18:17] <ajmitch> well, I'll see what I can do about nagging about bugs again in this case :)
[18:18] <ajmitch> #topic When should we open extras for precise?
[18:18] <ajmitch> wendar: your topic
[18:18] <wendar> I'd like to suggest opening up the extras archive for precise now.
[18:18] <wendar> instead of waiting until after the precise release
[18:19] <wendar> so we can publish a few apps ahead of time, and have them available in the software center at release
[18:19] <ajmitch> ok, I'm not opposed to that, as a development platform precise won't really change in the next few weeks
[18:20] <ajmitch> stgraber, highvoltage - what do you think of it?
[18:21] <stgraber> yeah, opening now (post-beta2) should be safe
[18:21] <highvoltage> yeah sooner is probably better than later
[18:21] <stgraber> it's very unlikely any of the submissions would be pushed to Ubuntu before release (with FFe and all the other paperwork)
[18:21]  * ajmitch doesn't feel like voting on it, so we'll take that as agreed
[18:22] <wendar> who wants to turn it on?
[18:22] <wendar> stgraber has done it in the past
[18:22] <ajmitch> where is that done?
[18:23] <stgraber> wendar: the repository is already ready for precise, but someone probably needs to check that MyApps is too
[18:23] <wendar> stgraber: so if we published to the Extras PPA today, it would be copied over?
[18:23] <stgraber> wendar: yes
[18:24] <wendar> stgraber: excellent
[18:25] <ajmitch> then for existing packages in the queue (of which there are many), should we switch to targetting them to precise?
[18:26] <wendar> ajmitch: that's my next question on the agenda
[18:26] <ajmitch> wendar: right, I'll change the topic for it :)
[18:26] <ajmitch> #agreed Open extras for packages before precise release
[18:26] <ajmitch> #topic Should we review existing packages for precise?
[18:27] <wendar> I've got a few more lenses/scopes that are specific to Oneiric, but for all other submissions, I'd like to package it for Precise instead.
[18:27] <wendar> it just seems silly to be releasing new apps on Oneiric two weeks before the Precise release.
[18:27] <ajmitch> I expect most people will upgrade from oneiric, so if an app builds & works on precise they should go there
[18:28] <ajmitch> I don't think most submissions indicate which release they're targetting
[18:28] <highvoltage> ajmitch: but they should, shouldn't they?
[18:28] <wendar> yeah, I guess if we find into some that only build and run on Oneiric, it's worth considering publishing them to Oneiric, instead of making the developer fix them up
[18:29] <wendar> highvoltage: we generally just dictate that they all target the current release
[18:29] <wendar> highvoltage: so, indicating any other release is just a "bug" in their submission, that we fix before shipping it
[18:30] <highvoltage> ok
[18:30] <ajmitch> like a recent submission that had maverick in debian/changelog, though it didn't build on oneiric
[18:30] <ajmitch> ok, I guess we're agreed that it's generally a good idea to do reviews for precise
[18:31] <ajmitch> #topic Notify developers with published Oneiric apps of process for resubmitting for Precise.
[18:33] <ajmitch> wendar: you added this one earlier today, I'm guessing we don't have a large number of applications which should be resubmitted for precise
[18:33] <wendar> Yup, a pretty small number.
[18:33] <wendar> This was mainly a follow up to the last two topics.
[18:34] <wendar> To say: I'll volunteer to send a personal email to everyone who already has an app in Oneiric.
[18:34] <ajmitch> yeah, cielak was asking about this process as well
[18:34] <ajmitch> great
[18:34] <wendar> Telling them that we've opened up the archive for submissions to Precise.
[18:34] <wendar> And, if they want to get their app in before release, they can do it now.
[18:35] <ajmitch> will they need to resubmit through myapps, even if it's not a new upstream release?
[18:35] <wendar> How about we say they can either submit to MyApps, or just contact us on the mailing list?
[18:36] <ajmitch> or in cases like harmonyseq, should we just bump the version number in the changelog for precise?
[18:36]  * ajmitch isn't sure if just copying packages in the PPA will work)
[18:36] <wendar> I don't think we even need to bump the version number in the changelog, as long as we rebuild with precise as the target in the changelog
[18:37] <wendar> I mean, bump the version number if we have to make any changes other than the release target
[18:37] <wendar> but, otherwise, it's just a rebuild
[18:37] <ajmitch> the debian revision needs changed at least, from ...11.10.1 to 12.04.1
[18:37] <stgraber> wendar: well, then we need to bump the version
[18:37] <stgraber> wendar: as you can't have two binary packages in the repository with the same version but different content
[18:37] <wendar> stgraber: yeah, true enough
[18:37] <stgraber> wendar: so we either copy to the new series (and use exactly the same binary package) or we rebuild and then need to bump the version at the same time
[18:38] <wendar> simple version bump as a "rebuild for precise"
[18:38] <wendar> I'd rather rebuild than copy the binary package
[18:38]  * stgraber too
[18:39] <ajmitch> ok
[18:39] <stgraber> so bump to .12.04 and upload for these that don't need any extra change (when told by the developer they want it in precise)
[18:39] <wendar> ajmitch: that's true, the debian revision has to change, since we have the Ubuntu release version number in the package version string
[18:39] <ajmitch> #action allison to send a personal email to everyone who already has an app in Oneiric.
[18:39] <meetingology> ACTION: allison to send a personal email to everyone who already has an app in Oneiric.
[18:40] <ajmitch> anything else on that one, or do we move onto the big topic about the queue state? :)
[18:40] <wendar> onward :)
[18:40] <ajmitch> #topic State Of The Queue
[18:41] <ajmitch> so though I had good intentions a week or so ago, I haven't had time to really look at & comment on applications this week, have just casually looked at some recent submissions
[18:42] <wendar> I've been doing quick replies on the ones that need quick fixes
[18:42] <ajmitch> the queue length is long, I'm been meaning to work from the top down
[18:42] <wendar> so, a lot of what's left is either valid source packages (with no debian packaging)
[18:42]  * ajmitch has some spare time this weekend
[18:43] <wendar> or debian packages that need validating for ARB requirements
[18:44] <wendar> some exceptions to that are the Community Lens
[18:44] <ajmitch> packages like zeroballistics needs a careful rejection sent, as it looks to be a nice game, gpl source, but it depends on a non-free library
[18:44] <wendar> ah, yeah, that would be out
[18:44] <ajmitch> wendar: what's the state of the music lenses in the queue there?
[18:45] <wendar> I've got a patch back from the developer to fix the final problems
[18:45] <wendar> so, I just need to integrate that, test, and put them up for vote
[18:45] <ajmitch> ok
[18:45] <wendar> I could do that today or tomorrow
[18:45] <wendar> the community lens is for precise, so no hurry on that one
[18:46]  * ajmitch would like to be able to get rid of these 'pending qa' items from the list
[18:46] <wendar> yeah, that's one of the active bugs, isn't it?
[18:46] <ajmitch> yep
[18:46] <ajmitch> the bug is fix committed (iirc)
[18:46] <wendar> so, just waiting for release?
[18:47] <wendar> (where release is their server rollout schedule, rather than related to Ubuntu releases)
[18:47] <ajmitch> I assume so, stgraber may know a few more details about how these bits interact
[18:47] <wendar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/914667
[18:49] <ajmitch> fix committed 6 weeks ago, maybe it has been rolled out & we can mark them as published :)
[18:50] <wendar> maybe check with achuni?
[18:50] <wendar> or, ask in the ticket?
[18:50] <ajmitch> I'll do that
[18:50] <wendar> of all the bugs, this one is probably the biggest irritant at the moment
[18:50] <wendar> cool, thanks
[18:50]  * ajmitch would probably put that on par with the needs info submissions not showing
[18:51] <ajmitch> any other comments on the state of the queue, apart from 'just do it'?
[18:51] <wendar> a whole bunch of them are new submissions with no packaging
[18:51] <wendar> but, we agreed a few months ago to only accept new submissions from PPAs
[18:51] <ajmitch> I'll check for a bug on developer-portal about requiring PPAs at submit time
[18:52] <wendar> it does now
[18:52] <wendar> http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/my-apps-packages/
[18:52] <wendar> or, at least the instructions are right now
[18:52] <wendar> I totally think we should do the packaging for the old apps that were submitted before we said we required PPAs
[18:52] <ajmitch> right, but at the point you submit, does it require a PPA be given?
[18:52] <wendar> nope, not yet
[18:52] <wendar> so, I wouldn't reject the apps with no PPA
[18:52] <ajmitch> ok, I'll check for that one
[18:53] <wendar> but, I'm thinking it would be a better use of my time to write a step-by-step set of instructions on how to package new apps
[18:53] <wendar> than to manually do the packaging for the new submissions
[18:53] <ajmitch> it can be a bit time-consuming :)
[18:54] <wendar> Aye, and it'll only get more time-consuming as we go on
[18:54] <wendar> it doesn't scale
[18:54] <wendar> but, if we could give them a really polite and helpful way to do the packaging themselves, that'd make a difference
[18:54] <wendar> and would scale better
[18:54] <ajmitch> the packaging guide still confuses quite a few people
[18:54] <wendar> also, I think a guide on how to make a tarball would be helpful
[18:55] <ajmitch> that would help, people are still submitting .jar files
[18:55] <wendar> the packaging guide is also for the main Ubuntu archives, and not for the ARB requirements
[18:56] <wendar> so, even when we do get proper debian source packages, we still have to manually edit them
[18:56] <ajmitch> yep
[18:56] <wendar> I figure if I condense the instructions I've already sent out individually to a bunch of devs into a few simple wiki pages, it could help us a lot
[18:57] <ajmitch> it'd help us as well
[18:57] <ajmitch> thanks for offering to do that
[18:57] <wendar> cool, I'll do that this weekend
[18:57] <wendar> and, if you're doing packaging work this weekend, focus on the older submissions, from before the PPA requirement
[18:58] <ajmitch> I realised I skipped the 'review updated text', but iirc that was an agenda meeting from last time which we resolved?
[18:58] <wendar> it was new... just a sec let me check what it was...
[18:58] <wendar> It might have been https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review
[18:59] <wendar> specifying the right URL for screenshot images
[18:59] <ajmitch> the agenda item was about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review/Guidelines, depending on backported libraries which are new
[18:59] <wendar> Oh, no, it was backported libraries
[18:59] <wendar> yeah
[19:00] <wendar> after discussion on IRC, I added the text:
[19:00] <wendar> (We're open to considering dependencies on backported libraries, on a case-by-case basis, but only if the backport is a new library and not an updated version of an existing library.)
[19:00] <wendar> and I just wanted a quick double-check that other folks were okay with that
[19:00] <ajmitch> imho the text that's been added there is fine
[19:01] <ajmitch> stgraber, highvoltage: ^ if you have a sec :)
[19:02] <stgraber> sounds good
[19:02] <ajmitch> ok
[19:02] <stgraber> not sure we can assume everyone has -backports in their /etc/apt/sources.list, but since oneiric we do it by default so I guess it'll be fine
[19:02] <highvoltage> no strong feelings about it here :)
[19:03] <ajmitch> ok then
[19:03] <ajmitch> are we up to the AOB point?
[19:03] <wendar> NOB from here
[19:04] <ajmitch> the main thing I have is the meeting time - it's that time of year with daylight saving time messes with us
[19:05] <ajmitch> from next month the meeting time will end up at 6AM on a saturday morning for me, which is a little painful :)
[19:05] <wendar> that's pretty awful
[19:05] <ajmitch> it was hard enough getting up for a 7AM meeting this morning, I should have gone to sleep before 2 :)
[19:05] <highvoltage> ouch
[19:06] <ajmitch> do we want to sort out a new time here, or on the list so our other team members can comment?
[19:06] <wendar> probably finalize it on the list, but a first guess here could speed things up
[19:06] <wendar> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=App+Review+Board+Meeting+&iso=20120330T18
[19:06] <wendar> ^ the link to the current meeting time
[19:08] <ajmitch> an hour or two later works for me
[19:08] <ajmitch> so 1900UTC or 2000
[19:08] <wendar> stgraber, where are you?
[19:08] <highvoltage> stgraber is on east coast, est time
[19:09] <ajmitch> highvoltage: you're in the same place, right?
[19:09] <highvoltage> yep
[19:09] <wendar> so a little later would probably be fine for both of you
[19:09] <stgraber> I'm happy with both 1900 or 2000 UTC
[19:09] <highvoltage> yep
[19:10] <ajmitch> I think if coolbhavi is able to make it, he's indicated that a slightly later time is better
[19:10] <stgraber> I'll be in Europe for our next meeting but will probably skip it anyway, so that's fine :)
[19:10] <wendar> Bhavani doesn't usually make it to the meetings, so I think it's okay not to plan them around Calcutta time
[19:10] <ajmitch> stgraber: skip it? how could yo? :)
[19:10] <stgraber> :)
[19:11] <ajmitch> ok, I'll mail the list about the new suggested time & ask for feedback
[19:11] <wendar> hmmmm... ajmitch: how about flipping the meeting around to Friday afternoon your time?
[19:11] <wendar> Friday morning US time?
[19:11] <ajmitch> wendar: it'd need to be after work for me
[19:11] <wendar> sorry, backwards
[19:12] <ajmitch> so from 0500UTC onwards
[19:12] <wendar> ugh, timezones
[19:12] <ajmitch> yeah
[19:12] <wendar> just a sec I'll do meeting planner
[19:12] <wendar> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
[19:12] <ajmitch> I didn't think it'd work well for east coast people then
[19:12] <ajmitch> UTC+12 is at least easy to convert :)
[19:13] <wendar> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20120427&p1=137&p2=179&p3=22
[19:13] <wendar> ajmitch: it's actually easy enough, as long as you're not also trying to accommodate Europe
[19:14] <ajmitch> well, we have fagan in europe, but I haven't even seen him on irc for a couple of months
[19:14] <wendar> yeah, the meetings aren't critical, so might as well optimize the time for the people who attend
[19:14] <wendar> ajmitch: is Saturday easier than Friday for you?
[19:14] <ajmitch> yes
[19:15] <wendar> ajmitch: just not so early?
[19:15] <ajmitch> just not 6AM
[19:16] <wendar> ajmitch: like Saturday at 10/11am?
[19:16] <ajmitch> fine by me
[19:16] <wendar> that's pushing into Friday night for the US Eastern folks
[19:16] <wendar> maybe a bit of a drag for personal life
[19:17] <highvoltage> ok by me if I know about it in advance
[19:17] <wendar> 9am Auckland is 5pm Eastern
[19:17] <wendar> 10am Auckland is 6pm Eastern
[19:18] <wendar> that's late enough for a Saturday sleep in Auckland, but early enough to still go out in US Eastern
[19:18] <stgraber> hmm, 6pm on a Friday... not sure I'll be around. 5pm is fine though
[19:18]  * ajmitch doesn't mind 7 or 8 AM
[19:18] <ajmitch> so that's why I was suggesting just 1900/2000 if it still suited others
[19:18] <wendar> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month=4&day=27&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=137&p2=179&p3=22
[19:19] <ajmitch> 2pm ok for you?
[19:19] <wendar> yeah, 2pm is fine for me
[19:19] <wendar> (pacific time)
[19:20] <ajmitch> ok
[19:20] <wendar> 5pm eastern
[19:20] <wendar> 9am auckland
[19:20] <ajmitch> seems to work
[19:20] <ajmitch> last thing is to volunteer a chair for next month
[19:21] <ajmitch> it'll be about a day after the precise release, fwiw
[19:22] <wendar> so not stgraber
[19:22] <wendar> highvoltage? or I'm happy to do one
[19:22] <ajmitch> up to the 3 of us I think
[19:22] <stgraber> yeah, I'll be in Europe and I took the post-release Friday off, so definitely not arund :)
[19:23] <wendar> ajmitch: we shouldn't make you do two in a row
[19:23] <ajmitch> stgraber: have a drink for us then ;)
[19:23] <wendar> put me in
[19:23] <ajmitch> ok, thank you
[19:23] <ajmitch> with that, I think we're done
[19:24] <ajmitch> thanks everyone :)
[19:24] <stgraber> thanks!
[19:24] <ajmitch> #endmeeting
[19:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Mar 30 19:24:25 2012 UTC.
[19:24] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-30-18.02.moin.txt
[19:24] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-30-18.02.html
[19:25] <wendar> thanks ajmitch!
[19:26] <highvoltage> wendar: sorry I got distracted, yep I'm up for it
[19:26] <highvoltage> (oops you already volunteered, nm then :) )
[19:26] <highvoltage> thanks ajmitch
[19:27] <wendar> highvoltage: no worries, feel free to substitute your name on the Agenda page


[21:37]  * Cheesehead checks the scrollback
[21:37] <Cheesehead> Meeting soon seems like a good idea
[21:37]  * pleia2 nods
[21:38] <pleia2> we seem to have lost momentum
[21:40] <Cheesehead> I'm really, really planning to move on those IRC sessions soon! (hopes and dreams, excuses, excuses)
[21:40] <pleia2> :)
[21:40] <pleia2> just let me know and we'll get them scheduled
[21:41] <Cheesehead> pleia2: rgr


[05:42] <chmac> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/i386/mail-setup.html
[05:43] <chmac> This article says mutt and exim4 will be installed by default
[05:43] <chmac> It might mean if you use the alternate i386 cd, but to the casual browser, that's not obvious, and either mutt nor exim4 are installed on a desktop system
[05:44] <Flannel> It's just outdated information.  Alt CD installs the same system as Desktop CD
[05:44] <chmac> Flannel: Ok, can I update it somewhere? It's not wiki-editable right?
[05:45] <chmac> It's listed as the docs for 8.04 which lead to my confusion
[05:45] <chmac> :)
[05:45] <Flannel> chmac: I think you have to file a bug on LP
[05:46] <chmac> Flannel: Ok, will do that, thanks
[11:44] <mdke> fde: if it's about Pinning as per your exchanges above, I have to say I'm not very knowledgeable about the difference, the best approach is to fix the page that is wrong and create a new page if necessary for the separate topic. feel free to discuss on our mailing list
[13:45] <fde> mdke: Sounds good, I sort of expected that to be the case... I won't be able to today though, going to be gone most of it... I will make a note though


[12:13] <Kir1> Hi, I moved from WinXP to UBUNTU two days ago but can't figure out how to setup for programming in gcc, python, and load in other packages beyond my desktop.
[12:14] <sareth> have you used the package manager?
[12:15] <Kir1> Applications / add-remove doesn't list gcc or python
[12:16] <sareth> System > Administrator > software sources ... i believe. then add the universe repositories
[12:17] <jrib> Kir1: lets do one at a time
[12:17] <jrib> Kir1: you already have python
[12:18] <Kir1> I have python downloaded to my desktop
[12:18] <jrib> Kir1: nah, you have python already installed
[12:18] <jrib> it's a fundamental part of Ubuntu
[12:18] <Kir1> Ok, how do I use it?
[12:18] <jrib> Kir1: do you know the python language already?
[12:18] <Kir1> no
[12:19] <Kir1> one guy suggested it would be a good front end for c++
[12:20] <jrib> ok
[12:20] <jrib> Kir1: docs.python.org and www.diveintopython.org are great resources for learning the language.  #python is great too if you have any questions about programming in python
[12:21] <jrib> Kir1: there are two ways to use python.  You can write scripts and then run them or you can use it interactively in the interpreter
[12:22] <Kir1> Ok.
[12:22] <jrib> basically to write a script, you use your favorite text editor.  At the top you write "#!/usr/bin/env python" without the quotes.  After that, you write your python
[12:22] <jrib> Kir1: to use the interpreter, just write "python" in the terminal and press enter
[12:23] <Kir1> Great!  Thank you.
[12:23] <jrib> Kir1: np, gcc is a bit different.  You need to install that yourself (using the package manager)
[12:23] <Kir1> What do I do with other software I download for python or gcc
[12:24] <jrib> Kir1: there is a "gcc" package but you will want to install "build-essential" to get the basic stuff you need to actually compile and build programs
[12:24] <jrib> Kir1: the command to install build-essential is "sudo aptitude install build-essential" or you can use system > administration > synaptic
[12:24] <jrib> Kir1: what software do you mean?  example?
[12:25] <Kir1> Mesa, libMgTk, freeGlut, SDL
[12:26] <jrib> Kir1: all that stuff should be in the repositories, just use synaptic or apt
[12:27] <jrib> except I don't know what MgTK is
[12:28] <Kir1> It's advertized on a webpage as a wrapper for one of the openGL clones.
[12:28] <jrib> link?
[12:29] <Kir1> http://www.bebits.com/appver/1592
[12:30] <Kir1> There's a backlink on the page
[12:30] <jrib> updated 2001?
[12:30] <jrib> seems a bit old
[12:31] <Kir1> Yeah, I don't know if I need it-- what I want to do is write a GUI for my robot to work over wireless.
[12:31] <jrib> just use python with pygtk
[12:31] <Kir1> Ok, I'll look pygtk up.
[12:32] <jrib> Kir1: do you care what language it is in?  almost every language has gtk bindings
[12:33] <Kir1> Not much but I had a custom language written in VB.Net and it turned out way to slow especially for graphics.
[12:34] <Kir1> that's like minutes per screen instead of 30 FPS or better.
[12:37] <Kir1> So that, not wanting to pay Microsoft for my robot software if it ever makes me a dime, and some ethernet bug in my WinXP (and general frustration with MS over the years) motivates my move to UBUNTU.
[12:37] <jrib> good reasons
[12:40] <Kir1> Ok, so how do I access c++?   I did what I saw on a blog to install gcc but I found it only loaded 4.0 instead of 4.1 the current release.  Then I still couldn't find any way to call it.
[12:42] <jrib> Kir1: after installing build-essential, you can compile things like this:   g++ -o outputfilename sourcecodefile.cc
[12:42] <Kir1> The load old command was:
[12:42] <Kir1> sudo apt-get install gcc build-essential
[12:45] <Kir1> Do you specify a filepath like in Windows or just accept the default?
[12:45] <jrib> well I assume you are in the same directory as the source code
[12:45] <Kir1> How do you change directories in UBUNTU?
[12:46] <jrib> Kir1: cd /path/to/new/place
[12:46] <jrib> !cli | Kir1
[12:46] <ubotu> Kir1: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[12:48] <Kir1> Yes I'm already seeing the command line is much more used here.  In Windows there were some important commands but you had to go to a computer store to learn them.
[12:49] <Kir1> This UBUNTU has the first terminal, not the K-menu option
[12:50] <jrib> you are using GNOME then
[12:50] <Kir1> I guess?
[12:51] <jrib> yeah, it is default for ubuntu
[12:51] <Kir1> It came on a free UBUNTU Labeled and eveloped CD-R from a computer repair shop.
[12:53] <jrib> Kir1: cool, where's the repair shop out of curiousity?
[12:53] <Kir1> Clatskanie, OR  USA.  Unfortunately he doesn't know enough to get me set up but he said if I learn it he'll be asking me questions.
[12:54] <jrib> ah
[12:56] <Kir1> So where are you all from?
[12:58] <jrib> Kir1: I'm from boston
[01:00] <Kir1> Well small world -- during the Clinton years I'd get lots of invitations to move my robot business to Mass. even though I didn't have a product yet.
[01:02] <Kir1> Still don't but maybe after I get this GUI done.
[01:03] <Kir1> Well, I've gone back and copied all the good advice from this conversation into an email to myself.  Anything else that should be said before signing off?
[01:05] <jrib> Kir1: well help.ubuntu.com has a nice intro to ubuntu in general.  There are a bunch of programming irc channels, usually ##language or #language to help you with the programming and there is always #ubuntu for help with ubuntu.  Good luck with your project!
[01:06] <Kir1> Thank you much!
[04:33] <wims> def typo
[04:33] <blimpdude> i added a ?


[00:03] <kosaidpo|> good night guys
[00:03] <kosaidpo|> peace out
[02:59] <KM0201> how do i make my trashcan appear on the desktop
[03:02] <KM0201> Unit193: u know by chance?
[03:06] <Unit193> KM0201: Leafpad > http://paste.ubuntu.com/603073/ <--- paste that in and save to Trash.desktop on the desktop
[03:07] <KM0201> trash.desktop  where is that?
[03:07] <KM0201> under /home?
[03:07] <Unit193> /home/$USER/Desktop
[03:08] <KM0201> ok
[03:10] <KM0201> Unit193: how come that doesn't change the icon when there's trash inside?
[03:12] <Unit193> It's how the desktop file is made
[03:13] <KM0201> i see
[03:16] <KM0201> you'd think they would have at least made a trash panel applet
[03:43] <veovis_muaddib> I just installed lubuntu and it detected my network during install, updated things, installed the restricted things, etc...  Then upon first boot DNS didn't work until I added my own nameservers in the system tray tool.  (DHCP Addresses only)  Then upon next boot I could only access my local network, but adding the proper gateway, switching to static IP, all don't wokr
[04:54] <KM0201> Unit193: is there somewhere to set keyboard shortcuts? i'd like to make one to lock the screen
[04:56] <bioterror> yes
[04:56] <bioterror> probably best way to lock screen is to run xscreensaver
[04:56] <KM0201> bioterror: thats not really a keyboard shortcut
[04:56] <bioterror> really?
[04:57] <KM0201> no
[04:57] <Unit193> /home/<user>/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml
[04:57] <Unit193> Just edit that
[04:57] <bioterror> wanna tell me how did you plan to lock your screen then
[04:58] <KM0201> Unit193: it's a blank file.
[04:58] <bioterror> :D
[04:58] <Unit193> lubuntu-rc
[04:59] <KM0201> bioterror: well, i'd like to like say,l "Ctrl L" or whatever.
[04:59] <Unit193> KM0201: Command should be xscreensaver-command -lock ( bioterror: correct?)
[05:00] <KM0201> Unit193: my screen locks when my screensaver comes on
[05:00] <KM0201> i want a keyboard shortcut
[05:00] <bioterror> Unit193, I dunno, I dont have xscreensaver installed
[05:01] <bioterror> :----)
[05:01] <Unit193> KM0201: Did you edit /home/$USER/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml ?
[05:02] <KM0201> Unit193: i opened it, but haven't done anything yet... i'm not really sure what i'm supposed to do.
[05:03] <bioterror> ls .config/openbox/
[05:03] <Unit193> KM0201: Go down to <keyboard>
[05:03] <Unit193> KM0201: Is the file blank?
[05:03] <KM0201> no, it's got all the crap in it now.
[05:03] <KM0201> ok, i've fond keybind.
[05:04] <KM0201> lubunbu-rc.xml did it
[05:04] <bioterror> 2011-04-08 00:22:27     <szczur>        oo, open the ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml and add this lines in keybinds section.
[05:04] <bioterror> 2011-04-08 00:22:36     <szczur>        http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/590973/
[05:04] <bioterror> 2011-04-08 00:22:53     <szczur>        for example put these before <keybind key="A-Tab"> line
[05:04] <bioterror> 2011-04-08 00:24:53     <szczur>        this will make Ctrl+Alt+L work as screenlocker
[05:04] <bioterror> 2011-04-08 00:25:07     <bioterror>     i would use super-l ;)
[05:04] <bioterror> 2011-04-08 00:26:54     <szczur>        then change C-A-l to W-l
[05:04] <bioterror> 2011-04-08 00:27:27     <bioterror>     :)
[05:04] <bioterror> 2011-04-08 00:49:53     <oo>    thanks szczur, works a charm :D
[05:05] <bioterror> I could add that to FAQ
[05:05] <KM0201> bioterror: so add that to the keybind section.. then what C-A-1.. thats the key command, right
[05:05] <bioterror> you should fix your font if you see l as 1
[05:06] <Unit193> bioterror: Going to change it to less convo style? (And it's lubuntu-rc.xml not lxde-rc)
[05:06] <bioterror> Unit193, yeah, I'll change. sz uses own setup, he's not using lubuntu AFAIK ;)
[05:06] <KM0201> does that stand for control alt ?
[05:06] <KM0201> and can i add that anywhere, or does it need to be in a specific part?
[05:07] <bioterror> keyboard section
[05:08] <KM0201> bioterror: will i have to restart for that to take effect?
[05:10] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm restart
[05:10] <KM0201> ok.. and now.. C-A-L   that means control alt L.. right?
[05:11] <KM0201> right?
[05:11] <bioterror> :D
[05:12] <Unit193> bioterror: Next time bonny comes in sudo service lxdm restart ;D
[05:13] <KM0201> well that worked perfect
[05:13] <bioterror> ofcourse ;)
[05:13] <Unit193> KM0201: You don't have to ping me when you ask a question...
[05:14] <bioterror> Unit193, but he likes ya ;)
[05:14] <bioterror> you've made some name in here :---)
[05:14] <Unit193> bioterror: Can you add the FAQ page to ubot5 ?
[05:14] <bioterror> nope
[05:14] <Unit193> bioterror: You have made your name ;)
[05:14] <KM0201> Unit193: i do it by force of habit (being in #ubuntu)
[05:14] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ there's it is
[05:14] <bioterror> -'s
[05:15] <KM0201> Unit193: i even tab in rooms w/ 1 or 2 people.. its just something in my brain now..lol
[05:15] <KM0201> sorry if it bothers you
[05:15] <bioterror> Unit193 is usually sleeping around these times
[05:15] <Unit193> KM0201: No it doesn't. I was just thinking first question
[05:16] <KM0201> oh... no prob.. i'll try to remember not to do it.. it's just force of habit.
[05:16] <Unit193> bioterror: I'm sleeping at midnight? Na....
[05:18] <KM0201> bedtime folks
[05:18] <KM0201> later
[05:18] <KM0201> thanks for the help
[06:24] <MK``> head_victim?
[06:24] <head_victim> MK``: here momentarily
[06:24] <MK``> I noticed one of the torrents said "unregistered torrent pass" for linuxtracker
[06:25] <head_victim> Yeah, not sure what's happening with that one, sometimes it works othertimes it doesn't. THat's the 10.10 alternate?
[06:28] <MK``> yes
[06:29] <MK``> Are these all the torrents released with lubuntu or were they created afterward by you/someone else?
[06:29] <head_victim> Unfortunately I don't know enough about torrents to figure out why
[06:29] <head_victim> I haven't created any, they've all been from the Lubuntu mailing list.
[06:35] <MK``> ah ok thanks
[06:35] <MK``> are you seeing natty alpha 3?
[06:35] <MK``> d
[06:39] <slooksterpsv> I have a question about Sylpheed - won't display HTML images, even though I have the HTML plugin installed. So I'm using Claws Mail, but I have to click on the HTML button everytime to view an HTML message, should I just switch to Thunderbird or can I get Claws to automatically display mail in HTML?
[06:39] <slooksterpsv> *not html images, but html format
[06:40] <bioterror> slooksterpsv, I'm using thunderbird voluntarely :D
[06:41] <slooksterpsv> yeah claws and sylpheed are slow too, it takes a long time for each message to load, I'll switch to Thunderbird
[06:42] <bioterror> hoho
[06:42] <bioterror> thunderbird has somewhat working filters
[08:17] <slooksterpsv> do you guys use compiz with lxde?
[08:40] <mark76> I don't
[08:41]  * Unit193 doesn't
[08:54] <mysteriousdarren> why not?
[09:01] <mark76> What is this? The compiz tag team? :p
[09:02] <mysteriousdarren> haha......not!
[09:03] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[13:18] <bromium> can't make dansguardian+privoxy work on lubuntu 10.10. can anybody help, please?
[14:58] <miguel> hi
[14:58] <Guest99458> i need help with temperature monitor
[15:03] <MrChrisDruif> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto <= you mean this?
[17:09] <kille3> So hey, I can only install Lubuntu using alternate cd, will this work: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde
[17:12] <MrChrisDruif> kille3: You could also use the miniCD/ISO
[17:13] <kille3> Well I can't
[17:15] <kille3> If I just use Ubuntu alternate cd and then download Lubuntu from software-center and use that code on psychocats?
[17:16] <MrChrisDruif> Why can't you use the miniISO? :)
[17:16] <kille3> I need to use ethernet?
[17:18] <MrChrisDruif> Probably
[17:19] <MrChrisDruif> But those other instructions should work
[17:19] <MrChrisDruif> We've got some awesome minimal install instructions thougt
[17:20] <MrChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[17:26] <kille3> MrChrisDruif: what do you mean with "those other instructions"?
[17:34] <valentinex> am i at right place?
[17:35] <valentinex> xubuntu vs lubuntu, i am confuse
[17:35] <mark76> What are you looking for?
[17:35] <valentinex> i am looking of such an OS which will give me super best speed on my poor computer
[17:36] <valentinex> do all ubuntu software application work fine in lubuntu? such as netbeans
[17:36] <mark76> I suppose you're in the right place then
[17:36] <mark76> Yes
[17:36] <valentinex> wow :D
[17:37] <mark76> The only difference between the different *buntus is the Desktop Environment used
[17:37] <mark76> And maybe some default software
[17:37] <valentinex> default software chrome browser i liked developers choice
[17:37] <mark76> Like that
[17:38] <mark76> And lubuntu uses LXDM instead of GDM
[17:42] <valentinex> what users hated in lubuntu?
[17:43] <mark76> :/
[17:43] <mark76> Sorry?
[17:45] <valentinex> i mean likes and dislikes of lubuntu users :D
[17:46] <mark76> Oh right. Dunno.
[17:46] <mark76> I only use it occasionally
[17:47] <valentinex> how lubuntu is energy saver?
[17:47] <mark76> No idea, sorry
[17:48] <valentinex> "lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. "
[17:48] <valentinex> that line is on lubuntu site
[17:49] <mark76> You'd have to ask someone who has Lubuntu installed
[17:49] <mark76> I'm using Fedora
[17:50] <valentinex> i dont like fedora, i tried once but could not get myself to use it easily. then i switched to linux mint now heard of lubuntu from google uncle and excited to try lubuntu coz my PC is slow
[17:51] <valentinex> I tried lubuntu by creating Live disk, was good. now thinking to make it my default linux.
[17:52] <mark76> What kind of computer do you have?
[17:52] <valentinex> 3.0mhz, 512ram, 80gb disk. intel 865G
[17:53] <mark76> Sounds old
[17:53] <valentinex> yup
[17:54] <mark76> But surely you mean 3.0 GHz?
[17:54] <mark76> Unless it's even older than I think =-O
[17:54] <valentinex> oh sorry 3.0ghz :D
[17:54] <valentinex> are u insulting me and my poor computer :(
[17:55] <valentinex> :'(
[17:55] <mark76> Only if the CPU speed is actually measured in megaHertz :p
[17:56] <valentinex> :D
[17:57] <mark76> Which version of Lubuntu have you got?
[17:57] <valentinex> i have also noticed that lubuntu developers launch new versions quickly with ubuntu releases
[17:57] <valentinex> it was latest .... of yesterday
[17:58] <mark76> Okay
[17:58] <valentinex> 11.04
[17:59] <mark76> That should be okay
[17:59] <valentinex> yup was tasty tasty lubuntu. i opened 11 chrome windows at a time still my PC was not slow :D
[17:59] <mark76> Cool
[17:59] <mark76> Why?
[17:59] <mark76> Just to see what would happen?
[18:00] <valentinex> yup, to see when my PC would tired with lubuntu
[18:00] <mark76> Good idea
[18:01] <valentinex> My PC dies with 3 chrome windows in ubuntu, 6 chromes in linux mint gnome.
[18:02] <valentinex> t
[18:02]  * valentinex t
[18:03]  * valentinex waves goodbye to mark76 and others, and thanks for Lubuntu.
[18:03] <mark76> Bye for now
[20:17] <troytop> having a bit of trouble installing on an Asus Eee PC - anyone have any experience with that?
[20:19] <kosaidpo|> troytop: if you can give more info wud be helpful so anyoone who can help will get involved in the chat with you
[20:19] <troytop> hanging at the framebuffer splash screen
[20:20] <troytop> sorry, trying a few more things at the moment to see if I'm missing something obvious
[20:22] <troytop> are there any recommended settings from the initial install/boot screen (e.g. acpi=off, noapic, nolapic) that I should try as a first resort?
[20:24] <troytop> also, I saw some forum postings that suggested 10.04 might be a better choice for this device - any known issues with older netbooks and 10.10?
[20:25] <troytop> this is an Eee PC 4G Surf
[20:25] <Unit193> 10.10? Why not use 11.04 or 10.04?
[20:25] <troytop> I'm ambivalent - happy to try 11.04 if it's stable
[20:26] <troytop> oh, wow, that's the current release - the iso I downloaded was just from a couple of weeks ago - it was current then
[20:26] <Unit193> I don't have an Eee PC, so I don't know what will work best
[20:45] <Eraserhead> Hello I have a question to anyone who cares to listen, downloaded lubuntu, installed awn, everything going fine except power off applet/shut down doesnt work, just typing poweroff in terminal for now, anyone have this issue?
[21:00] <Eraserhead> does anyone in here use lubuntu?
[21:01] <Unit193> Lots of them do
[21:02] <frik> hello
[21:02] <frik> i love lubuntu :P
[21:03] <Unit193> It's great for low power computers (And others too ;) )
[21:05] <Eraserhead> how do you shudown, i downloaded avant window navigator in place of the panel and now do not have a way to shutdown outside of terminal....
[21:05] <frik> i have pentium 1 GHz with 512 mb ram , lubuntu is faster than ubuntu on pentium4 2,4 GHz
[21:06] <Eraserhead> its really weird
[21:06] <Unit193> Eraserhead: I use normal lxpanel
[21:06] <frik> my previous computer burned, and i buy for 50 PLN (estimated 10 EUR) my new pentium 1 GHz
[21:07] <frik> and works great on lubuntu :)
[21:07] <Unit193> frik: I don't think Ubuntu is all that fast at all!
[21:07] <Eraserhead> i deleted lxpanel lol
[21:08] <frik> big thanks for developer's !
[21:09] <Unit193> frik: They do a real good job!
[21:09] <Eraserhead> does anyone use a window laucher besides lxpanel?
[21:09] <Unit193> Eraserhead: Did you look at the manpage for avant? Or the website? (Never used it)
[21:10] <Eraserhead> I should look at the webpage for avant. the website...is their a forum?
[21:10] <troytop> OK, I give up, can't get anything to boot from USB on this thing
[21:11] <troytop> going to Damn Small Linux
[21:11] <Unit193> troytop: Does the bios support it?
[21:11] <Eraserhead> My friend reccomended dsl.
[21:11] <Eraserhead> but im addicted to the free app store....
[21:12] <Unit193> DSL isn't kept up to date (IIRC), if you must, go with puppy
[21:12] <troytop> that's not the problem - I *think* I need to use mini.iso to boot on this device (can't handle Unity)
[21:12] <Unit193> Lubuntu doesn't have Unity
[21:12] <troytop> but the usb startup disk creator won't recognize that iso
[21:12] <Eraserhead> i switched from ubuntu to lubuntu because of unity.
[21:12] <Eraserhead> That "thing" is awful.
[21:13] <Unit193> Gnome 3 looks way better from the screens
[21:13] <kill3> I am using Ubuntu in classic mode
[21:13] <Unit193> troytop: unetbootin?
[21:13] <troytop> Unit193 - tried that, no dice
[21:14] <Unit193> What OS are you using to make the USB?
[21:14] <troytop> wouldn't recognize the keyboard, just kept resetting the counter (waiting for addtl boot params)
[21:14] <troytop> ubuntu
[21:15] <troytop> in other news, I've tried the regular isos for 10.04 (wouldn't boot) 10.10 (wouldn't install properly) and 11.04 (wouldn't boot)
[21:16] <Eraserhead> what happened with 10.10?
[21:16] <troytop> hung on the last frame of installation
[21:16] <troytop> I may try that again - I've seen reports that the last stage takes up to 90 min to complete on resource restricted machines
[21:16] <Eraserhead> There is a glitch...its after you put in your info, password, the forward button...it took me three times
[21:17] <Eraserhead> you have to do it FAST
[21:17] <troytop> is there no command line install anymore?
[21:17] <Eraserhead> Im just a noob.
[21:18] <Eraserhead> But the Forward button will randomly stick on the 10.10 install
[21:18] <Unit193> troytop: You could add lubuntu-desktop from mini.iso
[21:19] <troytop> that's what I'm thinking...  if only I could create the USB image
[21:20] <Unit193> Did you look at the wiki?
[21:20] <Unit193> !usb | troytop
[21:21] <troytop> usb-creator does not recognize the smaller isos for some reason
[21:22] <troytop> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:48YO5lVI99oJ:ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1517059+ubuntu+create+usb+startup+disk+mini.iso&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=ubuntu&source=www.google.com
[21:22] <troytop> sorry: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1517059
[21:22] <troytop> same problem as entropy1
[21:23] <frik> lxde.org - don't work ?
[21:23] <frik> i have empty page
[21:28] <Unit193> frik: Use google cache for lxde
[21:28] <frik> i want help to translate lubuntu to polish
[21:28] <frik> but lxde.org don't work
[21:29] <frik> hmmm
[21:29] <frik> looks like all translate to polish
[21:30] <frik> good for me :)
[22:17] <frik> lubuntu have firewall ?
[22:17] <frik> i do not acces to 8080
[22:52] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif
[22:54] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha Unit193 :)
[22:54] <Unit193> I hit the wrong channel...


[18:59] <mup> PR operator#758 opened: Add upgrade to harness <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/758>


[01:51] <lsellMF> do you think that server is still good or in bad shape?
[01:51] <lsellMF> Yeah but he's suggesting that a of type A should replace with a of type C. Overriding the base member... which seriously design better. Use cbreak solution
[02:24] <hggdhmt> an eye for an eye
[04:52] <StepS> MBAM blocks it :(
[04:52] <StepS> What you're looking for is something like:
[04:52] <StepS> Is there a util to "decompile" a binary rpm to produce a SPEC file, tarfile of binaries, and %pre, %post, %files, etc that reproduces the rpm when built?
[04:53] <StepS> how do I check the version? I just wrote `yaml` in my dependencies section
[05:49] <deanforbes__> nah, some pci2isabus adapter wont have a nice fancy name
[05:49] <deanforbes__> should be pretty simple to error on non-IMMUTABLE functions, I think
[07:13] <Xitivs> darkmeson, Native executable binary files.
[07:13] <Xitivs> I have a metric crapton of the 32Mbit flash devices.