[01:01] <ere4si> thunar is just hanging - it can't open any folder at all
[01:13] <TheSheep> ere4si: tried to strace it?
[01:15] <ere4si> TheSheep: I have nfs mounts from a file server and the server wasn't on - turned the server on and thunar works - thnx anyway
[01:15] <TheSheep> ere4si: I think you can set the timeouts for nfs somewhere
[01:16] <ere4si> TheSheep: that will be handy :)
[01:16] <TheSheep> ere4si: but I can't find it now :(
[01:17] <ere4si> TheSheep: google will solve it - thnx :)
[01:20] <ere4si> TheSheep: from this site - http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/sysadmin-guide/s1-nfs-mount.html - timeo=14 is needed in fstab
[01:21] <ere4si> hmmm - I already have that in fstab...
[01:38] <ere4si> TheSheep: just needed "soft" in the fstab entry :)
[02:52] <joeyjojo> hello everyone
[02:52] <joeyjojo> is there a way to update the menu panel when new non-repository apps are installed
[02:53] <joeyjojo> like a menu updater?
[02:53] <RedHeron> Not sure what you mean.
[02:53] <RedHeron> Skype isn't in the repository, and that went into the menu just fine for me (as an example).
[02:55] <joeyjojo> i am talking about apps that don't do that automatically and are NOT from the repositories or deb packages
[02:57] <joeyjojo> some of the apps such as games are way to old for network play for example so I have to grab the installer and patch em from scratch
[02:57] <joeyjojo> the stuff in the repos is like years old
[02:58] <joeyjojo> is there a way to add them to that pull down thingie - whatever its called in xfce
[02:58] <joeyjojo> in the games section?
[03:00] <RedHeron> I think there's a menu editor, but I can't seem to find it... I'm kind of a xubuntu noob myself.
[03:01] <RedHeron> Ah, it's under "settings"
[03:01] <joeyjojo> Settings >> Menu Editor is for the log out thing only it seems and the docs are not really that helpful
[03:03] <joeyjojo> anyone?
[03:06] <RedHeron> Sorry, don't know.
[03:15] <diginux> greetings, quick question, why does xubuntu have rsyncd installed and running by default?
[03:17] <RedHeron> I just installed, hold on and I'll check.
[03:17] <RedHeron> Nope.
[03:17] <RedHeron> ps -aux doesn't show rsyncd
[03:19] <diginux> hmmm, i had a fresh install too
[03:19] <diginux> root@heisenberg:~# update-rc.d -f rsyncd remove Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/rsyncd ...
[03:19] <diginux> root@heisenberg:~# /etc/init.d/rsync stop * Stopping rsync daemon rsync                                           [ OK ]
[03:19] <RedHeron> Oh, that just means "yes, it's stopped"
[03:19] <diginux> i just did a fresh ubuntu install as well on my other computer, same thing, it had the startup script in /etc/rc2.d/
[03:20] <RedHeron> Hrmmm...
[03:20] <RedHeron> What does ps -aux say?
[03:20] <diginux> well it is shutoff now, i didnt check ps -aux before i did /etc/init.d/rsyncd stop
[03:21] <RedHeron> Do another stop on it, see what it says
[03:21] <diginux> hmm yeah, it just keeps saying the same thing
[03:22] <diginux> but. am i right in thinking if it is in /etc/rc2.d/ that means it was set to start automatically?
[03:22] <diginux> hmm
[03:22] <diginux> maybe im wrong in this thinking..
[03:22] <diginux> root@heisenberg:/etc/rc2.d# ls S20rsync
[03:22] <diginux> S20rsync
[03:23] <RedHeron> Is that a symbolic link?
[03:24] <diginux> root@heisenberg:/etc/rc2.d# ls -lh S20rsync
[03:24] <diginux> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2008-03-07 16:44 S20rsync -> ../init.d/rsync
[03:25] <diginux> check this out..
[03:25] <diginux> root@heisenberg:/etc/rc2.d# /etc/init.d/rsync start
[03:25] <diginux> root@heisenberg:/etc/rc2.d# ps aux | grep rsync
[03:25] <diginux> root      7852  0.0  0.0   2972   748 pts/2    R+   22:25   0:00 grep rsync
[03:25] <diginux> root@heisenberg:/etc/rc2.d#
[03:25] <diginux> so i guess its there but doesnt start
[03:25] <diginux> must just not start if there is no config maybe or something
[03:25] <diginux> so i guess it wasnt running by default, just confused me why it was in there to begin with
[03:26] <RedHeron> Might be there so that the permissions are correct when it's installed?
[03:27] <diginux> i guess that is possible
[03:27] <diginux> hard to say
[03:27] <RedHeron> Yeah, not being behind the distribution, difficult.
[03:28] <diginux> thanks for the help
[03:28] <RedHeron> np
[03:28] <RedHeron> On of the aspects of Ubuntu. :-)
[03:28] <RedHeron> One*
[03:29] <RedHeron> In your "home" directory, look in the "Examples" folder and watch the ogg video of Nelson Mandela. :-)
[03:29] <RedHeron> It's why I went to Ubuntu in the first place.
[03:31] <diginux> haha
[03:31] <diginux> weird
[03:32] <RedHeron> Weird?
[03:32] <diginux> not used to distros having videos :)
[03:32] <RedHeron> Hehehe.... it's so that we can do our own viral marketing.
[03:33]  * RedHeron plans to get Ubuntu running on one of his servers and then proudly displaying the logo.
[03:33] <RedHeron> As "powered by" with the Apache and Ubuntu logos.
[04:48] <Ultraputz> hey is there a way to get the xubuntu install cd out of the sources so you can net-install packages?
[04:48] <Ultraputz> i'm trying to get build-essential onto an old laptop and the cd rom has decided to die.
[04:49] <ere4si> synaptic has a checkbox to download packages only
[04:51] <ere4si> open /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the cd
[04:51] <Ultraputz> still says "please insert the disk labeled: xubuntu 7.10 gutsy ... "
[04:51] <Ultraputz> excellent
[05:02]  * RedHeron would like to see a distro with X, KDE, Gnome, etc., all on one distro and all available for login and working.
[05:09] <gaurdro> how stable is selecting the gutsy-proposed option for what updates to install?
[05:10] <ere4si> gaurdro: where do you get that option?
[05:12] <gaurdro> synaptic->settings->repositories->updates.   it's also called pre-released updates.
[05:13]  * RedHeron is away: Busy for a bit... away!
[05:15] <ere4si> I asked because gutsy has been released for 5 months now - and I don't have that option
[05:16] <gaurdro> hmm.  that's odd.
[05:19] <gaurdro> do you have any other repositories installed?
[05:20] <ere4si> yep - universe & multiverse
[05:20] <gaurdro> I mean,  like medibuntu or apt.last.fm ?
[05:23] <ere4si> nope
[07:06] <Ultraputz> ok, next. two wifi monitors have appeared in the sysem tray. any ideas?
[11:46] <benpicco> If I cancel moving of several files, the transered files will keep their new place and will be removed in the old place where not yet moved files remain untouched, right?
[11:47] <ere4si> yep
[11:54] <pulseezar> hello everyone, I have a graphics problem on my laptop and was hoping there would be someone around to give me a hand?
[11:54] <Dougal> I've downloaded a .Bin file which is supposed to be the 'installer' for the linux/x86 release of Realplayer. What should I be doing with the file? Total linux newb. Till now I've only downloaded things I can find in the Synaptic Package Manager
[11:55] <Dougal> I've only *installed* things. Sorry.
[11:56] <pulseezar> not sure that there's anyone around here mate, might be better to try #ubuntu
[11:57] <Dougal> Thanks for the advice.
[12:11] <RedHeron> Simple solution: don't use RealPlayer... it's actually (seriously) considered malware. :D
[14:31] <ant0n> Hi
[14:32] <ant0n> My X did just "krasch" and Im running in low-graphich mode, how to do now? I've downloaded the driver via the terminal but I can't figuer out how to start using that one. Any tips ?
[14:35] <RandomDestructn> nice. xfdesktop is using 2 gigs of ram.
[14:35] <RandomDestructn> perhaps thats a bit much
[14:36] <RandomDestructn> another 2 gigs for xfce-menu-plugin
[14:36] <RandomDestructn> lol
[14:41] <diginux> whoever makes the ubuntu installer, I think it should have some kind of note or something that says hyperthreading is disabled by default.. took me a while to figure out why my system seemed boggy compared to gentoo
[15:00] <maxamillion> diginux: it shouldn't be disabled by default
[15:01] <maxamillion> diginux: with the upstart boot process and the generic kernel, the module to support it should be loaded automatically
[15:02] <diginux> maxamillion: i had to do this in order to get it to work: http://www.livingubuntu.com/?p=44#comment-943
[15:03] <diginux> maxamillion: you sure it is supposed to be enabled by default?
[15:03] <maxamillion> huh .... must have been a flaw since i last ran ubuntu on a HT enabled processor
[15:03] <maxamillion> yeah, it used to work "out of the box"
[15:03] <diginux> maxamillion: http://www.livingubuntu.com/?p=70
[15:03] <diginux> weird
[15:08] <maxamillion> hmmm... maybe it wasn't ubuntu (i use a lot of different distros all the time, so i could just be mistaken)
[15:21] <ant0n> Is it possible to change the panel to mac-theme without compiz?
[15:30] <gotisch> hey in Ubuntu there is system->administration->login window / security: Deny TCP connections to Xserver . Whats that counterpart in xubuntu?
[15:30] <maxamillion> ant0n: not sure, you could poke around xfce-look.org ... there may be a theme
[15:34] <ant0n> maxamillion: Ok, thanks for that one :)
[15:34] <maxamillion> ant0n: np, there's lots of fun stuff on that site
[15:34] <gotisch> ah
[15:34] <gotisch> sduo gdmsetup :)
[15:34] <maxamillion> gotisch: i'm not too familiar with how gnome does things like that so i don't know what would be comparable .....
[15:34] <ant0n> I see, but unfortunality I can't use copmiz :(
[15:34] <maxamillion> ohhhh
[15:35] <maxamillion> gdm ... nvm, i just didn't understand
[15:35] <maxamillion> ant0n: you don't need compiz
[15:35] <ant0n> Compiz is cool :P
[15:35] <maxamillion> ant0n: there is plenty of non-compiz stuff on that site
[15:35] <gotisch> do i need to restart after that or something?
[15:35] <ant0n> Ah, okej, I'll look around a bit ;)
[15:39] <ant0n> I'll try some new icons, I hope I succes to install it =P
[15:41] <ant0n> How do I install the new icons, there was no "how to" included in the download and I'm not that good in english, if someone would try to explain to me it would be great :)
[15:48] <cyberix> zoredache: trying to get tray icon of gnunet-gtk to work
[15:48] <maxamillion> ant0n: some of the icon packages are in the repositories and you can just install them with the package manager of your choice, otherwise you just unpack them into /usr/share/icons/
[15:49] <ant0n> Ah, okej :) Thanks ;)
[15:51] <maxamillion> np :)
[15:52] <ant0n> But there is one prblm, I cant move a file to that dir, it just goes back when I tryes to put the map there.
[15:56] <maxamillion> ant0n: are you doing it with sudo or as root?
[15:56] <maxamillion> you don't automagically have permissions to those files
[15:56] <ant0n> No, can i choose the option root?
[15:57] <ant0n> I can't choos root/sudo I think, or I dont know how =P
[15:57] <maxamillion> there is a level of understanding about the system that you need to understand before we continue this conversation
[15:58] <maxamillion> errr ... you need to grasp*
[15:58] <ant0n> Yeah, I think so to, I'm  learning n00b.
[16:02] <maxamillion> that's good, everyone has to start somewhere BUT at the same time, for me to start to explain things to you, i would simply be re-typing things that many people before me have taken time to carefully publish prestine documentation in order to distribute knowledge
[16:02] <Binky> Hello
[16:02] <maxamillion> hi
[16:02] <Binky> can anyone help me, i'm trying ot set up duel monitors
[16:04] <maxamillion> ant0n: here is some good xfce4 general documentation, but you might want to look into some of the material here ---> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_Unix/Linux as well
[16:04] <maxamillion> ant0n: sorry, didn't paste the link for the xfce docs ---> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xfce-config.xml
[16:04] <maxamillion> Binky: what graphics card?
[16:04] <Binky> geforce 7800
[16:04] <Binky> i downloaded the nvidea driver
[16:05] <ant0n> Maxamillion: Yes, i understand that to, I'll use google and see if I find something (I know there is a lot of good stuffs on google) :)
[16:05] <Binky> that got the duel screen working, but the desktop is now massive, no matter what resolution, i can move mouse around revealing what is off screen
[16:06] <maxamillion> ant0n: yes, google is a wonderful resource and you can even have google filter its searches for linux-only topics by going to www.google.com/linux
[16:06] <Binky> haha awesome i'm bookmarking that
[16:06] <ant0n> That's something new 4 me, nice function =)
[16:07] <maxamillion> Binky: ohhh ok, i've seen that before ... you might need to edit or re-do your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:07] <maxamillion> you probably just need to either add or edit some metamodes
[16:08] <Binky> ah ok, i've been trying to use the front end ubuntu stuff, but i've ended up with xorg.conf 1-7 xorg.conf failsafe 1-7 and some with the date after it as well
[16:08] <maxamillion> Binky: ahhh, ok ... well what graphics card do you have?
[16:09] <Binky> it's a real mess, and i can't seem to access route to delete anyone of them, sorry i'm totally new ubuntu
[16:09] <Binky> geforce 7800 gtx
[16:09] <Binky> how do i get root to delete some of these conf's? i tried su command, but my normal password not working and i've not set any others
[16:10] <maxamillion> Binky: sudo su -
[16:10] <maxamillion> Binky: then use your password
[16:13] <Binky> ah ok great got it
[16:14] <Binky> i'm in the xorg.conf i scrolled down to the hansol (my brand) monitor
[16:14] <Binky> and there's alot of lines of info giving different screen sizes and alot of numbers
[16:25] <Binky> maxamillion: would it have anything to do with the fact my xorg.conf is missing a screen section, i've got monitor but not a screen section, or is that normal for a duel view display?
[16:26] <Viaken> I'm having a bit of a problem with Xubuntu on this laptop. The battery monitor xfce plugin is ...flaky. gnome-power-manager isn't handling it any better, so when it's on battery power, I get no warning when it's about to die.
[16:26] <maxamillion> Binky: you might want to do a 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' in the command line and then use the nvidia-settings application to configure your dual monitors
[16:27] <Viaken> acpi -V displays correct info
[16:27] <maxamillion> Viaken: make sure the acpi support is being enabled in kernel level at boot, check your grub's menu.lst to make sure its not passing a 'noacpi' parameter
[16:29] <Binky> cool thanks
[16:31] <maxamillion> Binky: anytime :)
[16:34] <Viaken> maxamillion: ACPI is being enabled.
[17:01] <dezrik> why can't i install firefox 3.0?
[17:12] <zoredache_> dezrik: that is a good question, why can't you install firefox 3?  Perhaps you can tell us how you are trying to install it, or what error you are getting?
[17:13] <dezrik> Well I trying to find it in synaptic but i can';t find it
[17:13] <zoredache> if you are still using gutsy, it wouldn't bee in there since the selection of packages for gutsy was frozen back in October
[17:13] <test-3R> how do i check my version of xubuntu easily? is there commandline i can use?
[17:14] <test-3R> er OH
[17:14] <test-3R> "whoru"
[17:14] <dezrik> uname -a
[17:14] <zoredache> test-3R: lsb_release -a
[17:14] <test-3R> yeah UNAME is giving me the name i gave it which is BS name :)
[17:15] <MasterScript> hi
[17:15] <test-3R> "no LSB available" then it tells me im already running 7.04
[17:15] <MasterScript> how to connect to wirellss?
[17:15] <test-3R> i think i leave it. this has intel video . laptop.
[17:15] <test-3R> OLD hp
[17:15] <zoredache> !wifi | MasterScript
[17:15] <test-3R> ;)
[17:16] <ubotu> MasterScript: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:16] <MasterScript> thanks
[17:17] <test-3R> ive been testing with all sorts of stuff lately. i got Slax to work from USB stick, and it runs a ton. WINE apps. Pidgeon.
[17:17] <test-3R> its pretty kewl. i setup ubuntu on gForce2 box,too, and it has full CompizFusion running
[17:18] <gaurdro|away> has anyone turned on the gutsy-proposed updates option?
[17:18] <MasterScript> how to ssh to my ubntu?
[17:19] <test-3R> I have not, and i don't have much to test that on. most of my boxes are low version linux because they are too old to run newest with Fusion integrated
[17:19] <zoredache> install the ssh server if you haven't allready (sudo apt-get install openssh-server) figure out the ip address, then connect
[17:19] <test-3R> i rly hope they figure out how to enable Hardware Accell on ALL cards for Fusion to run
[17:19] <zoredache> if your computer is behind a nat then you might have to setup portforwarding on the nat-device
[17:20] <test-3R> hey so i was trying to use SSH to connect to an SSH FTP the other day?
[17:20] <diginux> test-3R: use sftp
[17:20] <test-3R> couldnt get it to go from cmnd line. mighta! but it was full near the end trys. i ned to re-try
[17:20] <test-3R> yeah i think i tried that from cmndline
[17:21] <test-3R> normal ftp with GFTP is great
[17:21] <test-3R> there is option in there for your 'ssh' program
[17:21] <test-3R> Do i just put SSH into that box? or does that need more specific pointer in that?
[17:21] <test-3R> er
[17:21] <test-3R> i have openssh - so would i just put the name of that paket inh that box then?
[17:22] <zoredache> test-3R: gftp worked perfectly fine for me
[17:22] <test-3R> oh yeah it works great for normal FTPs. tested.
[17:22] <test-3R> :)
[17:22] <test-3R> but this special one is SSH/TT???  ftp
[17:22] <zoredache> I never use normal ftp... I am saying it is fine for sftp
[17:23] <test-3R> !!!!. OK, so in the setup for gftp, whn it asks for my secure SSH file pointer, in the box in the setup, if I type "sftp" into that box will THAT work?
[17:23] <zoredache> all you should have to do is select ssh from the connect drop down and it will work
[17:24] <test-3R> huh! OK i'll try.
[17:24] <test-3R> ty :)
[17:25] <test-3R> Hey theres some rly good knowledge/training on the NEWS right now
[17:25] <zoredache> obviously the host you are trying to connect to must have an ssh server installed already, and it must be allowed through any firewalls between you
[17:25] <test-3R> if u know what im saying u should chek it out
[17:25] <test-3R> zoredache > yeah, naturally. Yeah I think his setup is fine its guys from IRC
[17:26] <test-3R> there are others that connect into his system from the chat - so it Must b setup ok
[17:27] <test-3R> this box is charging. ima show this laptop to a perspective employer soon
[17:28] <test-3R> (he wants me to network his new office, then actionscript insanity)
[17:29] <test-3R> i rly hope it goes thru! & I hope I'm able to use *BUNTU to help it work. then I can credit u guys & it will be kewl.
[17:29] <test-3R> :D
[17:29] <MasterScript> cannot detect a wirelless connect device
[17:29] <MasterScript> how to add it?
[17:31] <gaurdro> it can't find a network or it can't find a wireless card?
[17:32] <MasterScript> wreless not in listed
[17:32] <MasterScript> just have 2 connection
[17:32] <MasterScript> Wired & Moden only
[17:32] <test-3R> MasterScript & gaurdro >   zoredache tried to show you the help - here -
[17:32] <test-3R> !wifi
[17:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:33] <MasterScript> i am read it
[17:33] <test-3R> see- if you use the ! then what you need it will tell you link. its nifty
[17:33] <test-3R> oh
[17:33] <dezrik> where is Source.list?
[17:33] <test-3R> mmmmmm - what version are you on? I am on slightly old Xubuntu
[17:33] <zoredache> dezrik: /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:33] <dezrik> Thank you
[17:34] <MasterScript> no wireless extension
[17:34] <MasterScript> lol
[17:34] <test-3R> did you have your wireless card plugged in?
[17:34] <test-3R> when u ran the install CD?
[17:35] <zoredache> MasterScript: have you tried searching google with a search string like 'linux wireless {your device model}'
[17:35] <zoredache> so like 'linux wireless dlink 522tx' or whatever?
[17:35] <test-3R> zore > yes that's where I began, I believe. Then I found out I can use MADWIFI drivers
[17:36] <dezrik> Why do i always get -> Install these packages without verification [y/N]? Y
[17:37] <zoredache> dezrik: a maintainer of a repisotory has the ability to use GPG to cryptographically sign all the files in a repository so that you know that they are all real and haven't been corrupted
[17:37] <zoredache> dezrik: but some repository maintainers haven't set that up
[17:38]  * test-3R learns everytime he comes in here, LOL
[17:38] <zoredache> you might also need to import a gpg public key for the repository you have added into your apt-keychain
[17:39] <zoredache> dezrik: if you trust the repositories in your list, you can probably just answer 'y' yes and ignore the message
[17:40] <dezrik> Thats what ive been doing, i only have the ubuntu reps and mediabuntu reps
[17:40] <test-3R> zore >> without the GPG key - will the system still verify, by, say, MD5?
[17:40] <dezrik> i got firefox 3.0b4 installed. WOW its fast
[17:40] <test-3R> zore > or will the system simply install the pak even if it came across corrupt
[17:40] <gaurdro> how stable is the gutsy-proposed update option?  I don't care if functionality changes (IE new version) but I don't want a broken install.
[17:41] <test-3R> !update
[17:41] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[17:41] <zoredache> dezrik: for importing the mediaubuntu the key use: wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update
[17:42] <dezrik> ty
[17:42] <dezrik> the only complaint i have about xubuntu is nm-applet
[17:43] <gaurdro> test-3R,  I"m not looking to upgrade the version of my install...
[17:43] <test-3R> oh you are asking about the Upper Right icon?
[17:43] <test-3R> the update from Tray? RUn update that is in tray
[17:44] <test-3R> but
[17:44] <test-3R> thats in Ubuntu
[17:44] <test-3R> I don't know what it will do to Xubuntu
[17:44] <test-3R> honestly - in the past many versions
[17:45] <gaurdro> I"m talking about synaptic->settings->repositories->updates->gutsy proposed.
[17:45] <test-3R> oh, snap. Um, they're prob alpha? maybe beta? itll prob break something. You prob know this.
[17:45] <test-3R> :D
[17:47] <gaurdro> yea prolly,  but i want to find someone who knows for sure, because in my experience, it's really hard to break ubuntu without manually messing with something.
[17:49] <test-3R> you've never used PyPar2, have you?
[17:49] <test-3R> or other buggy, weird, user made apps to do things, that I, find nessecary?
[17:50] <test-3R> it all dpends on whats in it and whats its trying to do ultimately
[17:50] <gaurdro> I have used a few, but they weren't from the repositories.  thus manually editting.
[17:50] <test-3R> chek the pak descripts ? may B u want some and not Others?
[17:54] <test-3R> ive rly had mixed mixed results trying to CONFIG MAKE MAKEINSTALL on buntu, but i havent tried in a while
[17:54] <test-3R> sometimes it takes - other times its prob some weird DEP thats blocking it
[17:54] <test-3R> but what YOu';re talking about is pre-compiled, i believe, yes?
[17:59] <test-3R> HEY I got a good-n for you guys
[17:59] <test-3R> I got this hakt version of CDRECORD for doing very specific disks
[18:00] <test-3R> they are XA disks. a 600k sector in front, and several tracks after
[18:00] <test-3R> they must be precise
[18:00] <test-3R> DO you think the version of CDRECORD patched to NOT have a 2-sector-default-offset will work in BUNTU? or not?
[18:01] <test-3R> and what if I already have cdrecord installed? should I just Conf-Make-MIns the new one? WIll that just patch up where the files are sitting normally? or will that break it all?  :)
[18:07] <test-3R> I think I have to try it in older Ubuntu too probably
[18:07] <test-3R> the new ubuntu seems to have a power calibration issue with Both of my USB burners
[18:08] <test-3R> if i wasnt so chickensh*t id try it on this laptop but it is my 1-n-only  :)
[18:18] <test-3R> GAH ! I have meeting in 1.5 hrs, now! I hav to tune this box's Example Work!!!!
[18:18] <test-3R> time to sync with my new projects
[18:18] <test-3R> ez all kr3w
[18:18] <test-3R> :)
[18:45] <ant0n> Hi
[18:46] <ant0n> How to install a new theme in xubuntu? xfce
[18:54] <tuvook> !theme | ant)n
[18:54] <ubotu> ant)n: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[18:54] <tuvook> !theme | ant0n
[18:54] <ubotu> ant0n: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[19:24] <Askarii> I would need some help for adding new themes/icons
[19:25] <Askarii> I know i have to send them in usr/share/themes or usr/share/icons
[19:25] <Askarii> but its set to READ ONLY
[19:25] <Askarii> and i don't know how to change that :(
[19:25] <zoredache> as a regular user you can't write there.  You could get super-upser privileges with sudo
[19:26] <Askarii> even if i gave myself all rights?
[19:27] <hyakuhei> hrmm, I think I did something a bit stoopid.... I only had a gutsy server disc so I installed that and updated and then installed xubuntu-desktop. I had to change some linux-image stuff to get wifi working but I don't think I'm using an SMP kernel... I have a core2duo but /proc/cpuinfo is only showing 1 cpu...
[19:27] <hyakuhei> Is there anything I should have to install or typically do to migrate from *server* to xubuntu-desktop ?
[19:28] <zoredache> hyakuhei: what do you get from uname -r
[19:28] <Askarii> zoredache.... whats should I do exactly?
[19:29] <Stroganoff> Askarii: open terminal.
[19:29] <Askarii> i tried with terminal aswell :S
[19:29] <Askarii> but ok
[19:29] <zoredache> Askarii: I don't know...  If you want write access in those folders you will need to either change permissions (which will probably break things) or get root privileges with sudo...
[19:29] <Askarii> what is sudo?
[19:29] <zoredache> !sudo | Askarii
[19:30] <ubotu> Askarii: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[19:30] <Askarii> thx
[19:31] <Stroganoff> Askarii, also this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandlineHowto
[19:33] <Stroganoff> hyakuhei, you should use the alternate cd with cmdline install mode.
[19:42] <hyakuhei> Stroganoff, that wasn't and isn't an option right now
[19:42] <Stroganoff> i know :(
[19:42] <Stroganoff> i'm trying to find precise docs about the server iso
[19:42] <Stroganoff> can't even find the download right now
[19:43] <hyakuhei> zoredache, 2.6.22-14-386
[19:43] <hyakuhei> heh, irony
[19:43] <Stroganoff> there should be a MANIFEST file on the iso
[19:48] <leche> ls
[19:48] <leche> ups, sry xD
[19:50] <zoredache> hyakuhei: that kernel is for 386 cpu which are not multicore
[19:50] <hyakuhei> ok zoredache which should I be running ?
[19:50] <zoredache> hyakuhei: try doing an 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic'
[19:51] <hyakuhei> been there already, breaks wifi :'(
[19:51] <zoredache> actually try 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic'
[20:01] <zoredache> ls
[20:08] <TheSheep> zoredache: ls: Command not found
[20:09] <zoredache> OH NOES!  So that is what rm -rf does... :(
[20:09] <TheSheep> yes kids, be careful with that .*, it also matches ..
[20:11] <zoredache> Do you know if there is a way to hide an application from the 'alt-tab', but still have it visible and show up in the task lists and all?
[20:12] <TheSheep> zoredache: yes, there is the 'skip pager' hint
[20:13] <TheSheep> no, wait, that will hide it form the workspace preview
[20:13] <TheSheep> from
[20:13] <TheSheep> zoredache: the freedesktop.org standard lists all the hints
[20:13] <zoredache> skip_tasklist maybe...
[20:13] <TheSheep> zoredache: the stanrad is called XD-something-MP
[20:14] <TheSheep> XDCMP?
[20:14] <TheSheep> ICCCM :D
[20:14] <TheSheep> I knew my memories are uncanny
[20:19] <zoredache> TheSheep: yeah, skip_tasklist seems to be what I want... now my terminal with irssi is invisible... I should be able to avoid it much easier
[20:20] <TheSheep> zoredache: explring devislpie, eh?
[20:20] <TheSheep> zoredache: fine occasin to learn lisp :)
[20:22] <zoredache> I have been using it for a couple months.  Hopefully I'll be able to avoid typing 'ls' in the channel every other week now
[20:29] <TheSheep> zoredache: yeah, you will be typing (ls (x (cv xxx)))
[20:53] <adac> any idea what is wrong with the soud applet in the panel? when I try to add it i can't see it in the panel
[20:53] <adac> *sound
[20:54] <TheSheep> adac: yeah, it crashes for me too
[20:54] <adac> TheSheep: is there a solution for that? do you have 64 bit version?
[20:55] <TheSheep> adac: I have 32 bit system, but 64 bit cpu
[20:56] <TheSheep> looks like Bug #90261
[20:56] <adac> TheSheep: oh i see. I can remember the last time i installed xubuntu i had the same issues...this was a 32 bit version. But this weas some time actually a long tiime ago
[20:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90261 in xfce4-mixer "Volume Control plugin can't be added to xfce4-panel" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90261
[20:56] <adac> still same problem it seems
[20:58] <adac> yes this is exactly what happens
[20:58] <adac> still not solved? that is strange
[20:59] <TheSheep> adac: I found out a workaround
[20:59] <adac> would say sound is something essential
[20:59] <adac> ;)
[20:59] <TheSheep> adac: remove the aumix keyboard bindings form keyboard settings
[20:59] <adac> yea? tell me
[21:00] <TheSheep> madness
[21:00] <adac> hehehe


[12:05] <FernandoMiguel> 0/
[22:16] <micahg> joelesko_: seems like seamonkey is a bit behind firefox (2 betas) :(, sorry I didn't get to your stuff last week, I ended up not piloting, if they tag a final build this week, I can try to get it in the security PPA for you (for oneiric at least) and let you know what needs to be tested


[00:02] <ethana2> adinc ran into this missing package also
[00:02] <ethana2> ..he was considering compiling something from source
[00:03] <adinc> yes, i would appreciate if there would be a package for truecrypt
[00:04] <ethana2> ok :)  ..that is all
[00:38] <buttterz> evening
[00:40] <buttterz> adinc , has this become a package yet? if not i have created one.
[00:40] <adinc> buttterz: truecrypt?
[00:40] <buttterz> adinc yes
[00:40] <adinc> no there is no pcakgae for it yet
[00:41] <adinc> unfortunately not
[00:41] <buttterz> ok well haha i have packaged a deb
[00:41] <adinc> can we have it
[00:41] <buttterz> certainly, i'll put it up after i get my mother -- she broke her ankle haha -- this is about earlier correct.
[00:41] <buttterz> i saw you in +1
[00:42] <adinc> yes
[00:42] <adinc> when can we expect this?
[00:43] <buttterz> hopefully tonight otherwise tomorrow -- are you a dev here? ive been trying to pick up a mentor because i used to be a debian dev and freebsd dev -- i am not that familiar with ubuntu because i haven't used it enough yet -- just started in production and on a few workstation of my own in hte home
[00:43] <buttterz> though debian and ubuntu are at there base the same.
[00:43] <adinc> buttterz: no, i'm not, i'm new to ubuntu aswell (comming from debian)
[00:44] <buttterz> alright well i'll try to have it committed asap -- if thats what they call it here :)
[00:44] <adinc> yes, they talk about repository and committing it
[00:44] <adinc> like cvs
[00:45] <buttterz> i figured as much -- well cvs is what i'm most familiar with anyways -- thats all we use in freebsd really
[00:45] <buttterz> even for ports kernel etc
[00:45] <adinc> for sources sure
[00:45] <buttterz> i should be around later but i must leave now
[00:46] <buttterz> away messages will be logged if you have other things to say
[00:46] <buttterz> evening
[00:46] <adinc> good evening and thank you
[00:51] <adrian_2002ca> hey all, so i'm a new bug-buster and i've been bustin for a day or so....im at a loss about bug 200406...i've looked up  the user(Jaakan Shorter) and it seems he's got a lot of programs crashing with SIGSEGV...would this mean maybe it's his setup(drivers, hardware etc. doing it>?)
[00:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200406 in torcs "torcs-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in GfParmGetStr()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200406
[00:53] <adrian_2002ca> the thing is i cant really replicate the bug and looking at the source, i dont see the problem jump out and bite me..
[00:53] <adrian_2002ca> even when looking carefully
[00:55] <adrian_2002ca> also, theres a new version out
[00:55] <adrian_2002ca> 1.3.0-3
[00:55] <adrian_2002ca> anyone there?
[00:56] <adrian_2002ca> anyone?
[01:02] <slangasek> \sh_away: erm, why did you ship a bunch of lintian overrides for empty files and directories in libzend-framework-php instead of just cleaning them out of the package?
[01:11] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:12] <RAOF> Heya bddebian
[01:13] <bddebian> Hi RAOF
[01:15] <protonchris> hey bddebian
[01:16] <bddebian> Hi protonchris
[02:05] <Fujitsu> RAOF: Ah, thanks, that seems to have got the module to load.
[02:06] <RAOF> Fujitsu: Great.  I will, at some point, get around to fixing that properly.  But since it always WorksForMe, it never really seems very urgent :)
[02:12] <StevenK> Bwahaha. One of my friends voicemail messages is "You've reached <x>. Leave a message with the warden."
[02:16] <protonchris> Heh.  nice.
[02:17] <buttterz> hey all
[02:17] <buttterz> it seems someone has already been working on this after i have a .deb for true crypt
[02:17] <buttterz> i'm not exactly familiar with launchpad as we do not use it in freebsd but the link where some information about this is https://code.launchpad.net/truecrypt-deb/trunk
[02:19] <Fujitsu> RAOF: Even got dual-head working with RandR 1.2.
[02:19] <Fujitsu> Very nice indeed.
[02:20] <RAOF> Fujitsu: Oh, yes.  Yes it is.
[02:20] <Fujitsu> Configuring dualhead with the blob is ridiculous.
[02:20] <Fujitsu> I can't get it working in Hardy.
[02:20]  * StevenK wonders if randr can rotate seperate heads.
[02:20] <RAOF> Fujitsu: As long as you don't mind !{3d, suspend}, it's _much_ nicer in every way than the blob.
[02:20] <RAOF> StevenK: Yes.
[02:20] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Yes.
[02:20] <StevenK> Heh, stereo too. :-P
[02:21] <StevenK> I wait for 3D. Suspend I don't care about, since it's a desktop.
[02:22] <RAOF> 3d kinda works ish.
[02:22]  * RAOF suspects StevenK wants WoW-capable 3d, and that's not there yet :)
[02:23] <StevenK> Even crack-attack-capable 3D would be cool.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> I normally run Compiz, but I can live without it.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> (and this is only my work machine; my home machine is Intel)
[02:23] <StevenK> (That's just a shedload of vertices and transforms)
[02:23] <Fujitsu> It's so fast, and the colours seem nicer than nv.
[02:24] <RAOF> Fastest 2d X driver available right now :)
[02:24] <Fujitsu> Not bad.
[02:25] <RAOF> Everyone else, they say gnome-system-monitor takes too much CPU.  Nouveau don't know what they takin' about.
[02:26] <RAOF> On the other hand, every now and then someone breaks LVDS, and I get a nice white...blue...green screen.
[02:26] <Fujitsu> For some reason it didn't get a correct EDID from one of my monitors (only got 1280x800 instead of 1440x900), but manually adding the mode worked.
[02:28] <StevenK> RAOF: I do wonder, though -- Nvidia have not helped this process at all, like say, Intel or AMD, so why should they get an open-source driver 'for free' as it were.
[02:29] <StevenK> Although, of course, it's more for the community at large, rather than Nvidia.
[02:30] <RAOF> They already provide a (terrible) open-source (kinda) driver.
[02:30] <Fujitsu> nv is really really bad.
[02:30] <RAOF> And they get a driver because we want a driver.  A lot.
[02:31] <RAOF> Maybe once nouveau works sufficiently well, they'll be motivated to help? (This seems unlikely).
[02:32] <StevenK> Indeed. The fact that they haven't helped by now points to them not helping at all.
[02:33] <RAOF> It sucks.  What can you do, except not buy nvidia hardware?
[02:34] <StevenK> But that means using fglrx, which is even interesting and esoteric than the blob.
[02:35] <Fujitsu> Old Radeons work OK with ati.
[02:35] <StevenK> Old Radeons weren't really up to par with Nvidia's of the time.
[02:36] <StevenK> (More's the pity, even.)
[02:36] <RAOF> _New_ radeons aren't really up to par with nvidias, but the gap isn't as bad.
[02:37] <StevenK> Mmmmmm. I last compared a 9200 and an GeForceFX 5-something, and that was noticeable
[02:38] <RAOF> Hm.  Interesting.  pulseaudio stops outputting sound at all if I drop the mixer level <=30%.
[02:38] <StevenK> It goes softer and then silence?
[02:39]  * StevenK tries to figure out how to bend Apache to his will
[02:39] <RAOF> Yup
[02:39] <jdong> RAOF: ha that's not as fun as my macbook
[02:39] <jdong> RAOF: the headphone volume slider is logarithmic
[02:39] <jdong> RAOF: I found out.... the hard way.
[02:40] <RAOF> That seems like correct behaviour to me.  _Hearing_ is logarithmic.
[02:40] <StevenK> jdong: Are your ears still ringing?
[02:40] <StevenK> RAOF: But only for certain directions
[02:40] <jdong> StevenK: I don't know, it's too hard to tell :D
[02:40] <StevenK> Haha
[08:08] <sherl0ck> hey i lost my post in the forums, anyone help?
[08:09] <sherl0ck> it was a tutorial i was wrting
[08:41] <skwashd> hi all
[08:41] <skwashd> how do i find out why a motu maintained package was dropped from a release?
[08:43] <soren> skwashd: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/removals.txt
[08:43] <soren> sherl0ck: I think you've got the wrong channel.
[08:44] <sherl0ck> ok
[08:44] <skwashd> soren: thanks ... not the most user friendly list ... but hey it works :)
[08:46] <skwashd> soren: and now is too late to get it back in for hardy ... right?
[08:46] <soren> skwashd: Depends.
[08:47] <skwashd> it was dropped from debian after it was orphaned ... and so ubuntu did the same (the maintainer - ajmitch is AWOL)
[08:47] <skwashd> now it is in debian unstable again ... and the gutsy debs should still work with hrady
[08:48] <skwashd> either way i would like to see it make a come back in 1 form or another
[08:49] <skwashd> soren: which side of depends does this case fall :)
[08:49] <soren> skwashd: File a feature freeze exception request along with a sync request.
[08:49] <\sh> moins
[08:49] <soren> skwashd: If it's been in the archive before, I don't think it'll be a problem, but it's not up to me.
[08:49] <skwashd> okay ... i take it that is covered in the feature freeze page on wiki?
[08:56] <skwashd> man i hate launchpad
[08:56] <skwashd> soren: i have tried to find how to file a bug against motu-release and phpgroupware ... and i can't manage to do it for either
[08:57] <soren> skwashd: File a bug against phpgroupware and subscribe motu-release.
[08:58] <skwashd> soren: ok ... thanks
[08:58]  * skwashd brute forces lp
[09:30] <tbf> ScottK: "if the archive admins will look at it" - "look at it" in which sense? (gnome-lirc-properties, LP #192368)
[09:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192368 in ubuntu "[FFe] Please add gnome-lirc-properties" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192368
[09:32] <tbf> slangasek: did someone talk to you already, regarding gnome-lirc-properties?
[09:32] <slangasek> er, no
[09:33] <slangasek> I don't understand why this is a concern - syncing packages is easy, it's the reviewing that's hard :)
[09:34] <slangasek> i.e., if it gets a FFe from motu-release, there's no reason for ubuntu-archive not to rubber-stamp it, time allowing; of course I can't guarantee that time will allow, but I don't think the sync queue is so backed up as to suggest it's full until release?
[09:35] <tbf> slangasek: can you add a comment like this to the ticket?
[09:38] <slangasek> not at the moment
[09:54] <\sh> slangasek: do we only support lpia archs with x86 processors?
[10:08] <slangasek> \sh: what?
[10:08] <slangasek> \sh: lpia is the low-power Intel architecture, what other lpia is there that doesn't have an x86 processor?
[10:18] <\sh> slangasek: I thought lpia is the synonym for everything which is mobile
[10:20] <slangasek> no
[10:20] <slangasek> lpia is an architecture
[10:25] <\sh> hmm...wine on lpia?
[10:25] <soren> Why not?
[10:25] <\sh> soren: well, it's building now
[10:26]  * \sh needs to find someone who could test it on real hardware ;)
[11:01] <Daviey> a/win 7
[11:05] <ScottK> tbf: It was my impression from the bug that this was a new package we were discussing.
[11:06] <tbf> ScottK: yup, it is. but it's also the first time i go that far with pushing a package - so i might ask stupid questions
[11:07] <ScottK> The deadline for new packages was 6 weeks ago.  The archive admins generally have other things to be focusing on at this point in the process.
[11:10] <tbf> ScottK: yes, work on that project was started very late (only three weeks before the deadline)
[11:12] <tbf> well ScottK, have you read slangasek's comment?
[11:12] <tbf> (10:34:34) slangasek: i.e., if it gets a FFe from motu-release, there's no reason for ubuntu-archive not to rubber-stamp it, time allowing; of course I can't guarantee that time will allow, but I don't think the sync queue is so backed up as to suggest it's full until release?
[11:13] <tbf> ScottK: reads to me, that there still is a small chance to let it slip in
[11:13] <ScottK> I saw that.  I'm not sure he realized it was a new package.  New packages take a lot more time to review than existing ones.
[11:13] <ScottK> I haven't really formed an opinion yet if we should approve it or not.
[11:14] <ScottK> Gotta run for a bit.
[11:16] <tbf> ScottK: configuring remote controls on linux is quite dreadful still. this program could improve the experience dramatically.
[11:16] <tbf> scottk: well, but i am biased as i was tasked to write it
[11:16] <tbf> scottk: see you
[11:52] <mok0> eeek, hardy upgrade not working...
[11:59] <Hobbsee> slangasek: ah, right.  Fair enough.  Obviously, i don't know, anyway :)
[12:01] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[12:07]  * french1 thanks slangasek for fixing his NetworkManager
[12:14] <sebner> ahoi sistpoty|work
[12:14] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[12:16] <tbf> sistpoty|work: hey
[12:16] <sistpoty|work> hi tbf
[12:34] <Iulian> Hi
[13:12] <Iulian> Can someone please ACK bug #206515 ?
[13:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206515 in libebml "Please sync libebml-dev 0.7.7-3.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206515
[13:22] <jcastro> rexbron: ping me when you're around
[13:23] <\sh> ok...wine for lpia compiled
[13:24] <\sh> I wonder if this works
[13:24] <\sh> hey jcastro how are you doing? :)
[13:26] <rexbron> jcastro: what's up?
[13:31] <buttterz> morning
[13:33] <Hobbsee> hi jcastro
[13:33] <jcastro> hi \sh, rexbron, Hobbsee!
[13:34] <jcastro> rexbron: did you ever get openexr in a ppa?
[13:34] <rexbron> jcastro: yes, mine https://edge.launchpad.net/~rexbron/+archive
[13:34] <jcastro> rock, thanks.
[13:35] <jcastro> rexbron: do the blender guys know about your ppa?
[13:35] <rexbron> jcastro: I am still working on getting bleeding edge setup
[13:35] <jcastro> ok
[13:35] <rexbron> when that is working, I will let them know
[13:36] <rexbron> or you rather
[13:36] <jcastro> seeing the open movie thing on blogs today reminded me
[13:36] <rexbron> jcastro: In the mean time, cory has lent me some space on one of his personal boxes
[13:36] <jcastro> rexbron: were you still looking for a host?
[13:37] <jcastro> rexbron: maybe blender itself might provide space, since it will be directly helping them out?
[13:38] <jcastro> should I ask someone?
[13:38] <\sh> 1.5.1 /window 11
[13:38] <\sh> grmpf
[13:38] <\sh> I don#t get it today
[13:38] <buttterz> hello
[13:40] <rexbron> jcastro: I intend for this to be larger than just blender
[13:40] <rexbron> but in the mid-term, that is an option
[13:40] <jcastro> ok
[13:42] <Iulian> \sh: Why don't you use just /win instead of /window? Or you like the TAB key? ;)
[13:44] <\sh> Iulian: well, it doesn't help when you forget the /
[13:45] <Iulian> Heh, indeed.
[13:46] <_ruben> i just try to stay under 20 windows and dont use /window for anythingn other than closing windows :p
[13:46]  * Iulian likes ctrl+n/p
[13:50] <DktrKranz2> Hobbsee: mind give-back collectd and wmnut in Hardy? Thanks. (I lagged, sorry if asked twice)
[13:53] <Hobbsee> done
[13:53] <ScottK> Please don't forget about Bug #204895 is you're looking for stuff to work on.
[13:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204895 in cfv "Packages failed archive rebuild test possibly due to python-central transition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204895
[13:55] <emgent> heya
[13:58] <jdong> vorian: new ktorrent 3.0.1, when you feel bored feeel free to UVF it.
[13:58] <vorian> danke jdong
[13:58] <vorian> :)
[13:59] <vorian> prolly later on tonight
[13:59] <jdong> thank you :)
[13:59] <jdong> I've got an eeepc to set up today ;-)
[13:59] <vorian> no, thank you jdong :)
[13:59] <vorian> w00t
[13:59] <vorian> thats fun
[13:59] <jdong> it is indeed
[14:00] <vorian> would someone be so kind as to sponsor bug 206278 for me?
[14:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206278 in keurocalc-kde4 "keurocalc-kde4 needs strict versioned dependency on keurocalc-kde4-data" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206278
[14:39] <sping> hello
[14:39] <buttterz> hi whatsup
[14:40] <sping> a library of mine (liburiparser1) is rather outdated in ubuntu but up to date in debian
[14:40] <sping> is there any chance to get it updated before hardy?
[14:40] <sping> what would i have to do?
[14:41] <mok0> sping: are there fixed bugs in the new version?
[14:42] <sping> mok0: there were several major things fixed in between. (0.6.0 --> 0.6.4)
[14:42] <sping> mok0: wait a sec
[14:42] <mok0> sping: then it should be possible to get a ffe
[14:43] <buttterz> sping i expect that should not be a problem
[14:45] <mok0> sping: report a needs-sync bug on LP, and reference the bugs that have been fixed... at this time, we can only accept syncs that fix bugs
[14:46] <sping> mok0: changes include crash fixes. i don't have any bug numbers though since the were never filed somewhere.
[14:46] <sping> mok0: i could attach an assembled changelog, would that be okay?
[14:46] <mok0> sping: perfect
[14:47] <sping> mok0: i'm no expert on that bug some fixes might affect security
[14:48] <sping> mok0: escpecially since the bugs were reported by someone doing a security review :-)
[14:48] <mok0> sping: are there apps that depend on uriparser?
[14:48] <buttterz> who would i talk to about getting a .deb committed to the repository
[14:49] <sping> mok0: recent fapg and herrie (through libspiff)
[14:49] <mok0> sping: it needs to be verified that they will not suffer from the upgrade
[14:49] <mok0> buttterz: what deb are you talking about?
[14:50] <buttterz> this is a truecrypt wrapper --
[14:50] <mok0> buttterz: If it's a new package, you have to submit it for review
[14:50] <sping> mok0: nono, the fixes fixed security issues, they did not introduce such
[14:50] <sping> mok0: herrie and fapg both run fine with the latest version in debian
[14:51] <mok0> sping: Ah, ok, sounds good then. Put a statement to that effect in your bug report
[14:51] <sping> mok0: okay
[14:51] <buttterz> mok0 , i used to do this with debian until they just let me do it myself -- any place in particular or should i just check the site
[14:51] <mok0> buttterz: Is the package in debian?
[14:53] <mok0> buttterz: If so, it will be sync'ed automatically for interpid
[14:54] <StevenK> "Intrepid"
[14:54] <StevenK> Not "Interpid"
[14:55] <buttterz> haha thanks i was like what?? between pid's
[14:55] <mok0> mok0: ooops
[14:56]  * mok0 thinks ibex is easier to type...
[14:56] <buttterz> i see so you are talking about ibex -- the issue though is that several people who have been using truecrypt have been experiencing issues on their machines
[14:56]  * buttterz agrees
[14:56] <sping> mok0: how do i make the sync request ask for a ffe?
[14:56] <buttterz> so i made up this package -- and it just needs a sponser -- i already took care of it in debian because like i said -- they just let me cvs now
[14:57] <buttterz> people have been having issues on heron not ibex it seems
[14:57] <mok0> sping: you subscribe "motu-release" to the bug
[14:58] <sping> mok0: ? okay :-)
[14:58] <mok0> buttterz: If it's in hardy, you should do what sping is doing, file a needs-sync bug with a description of the bugs fixed
[14:58] <mok0> sping: you know what I meant by "subscribe"?
[14:59] <buttterz> is that the equivalent here to getting a sponsor?  how impersonal we have gotten with our work
[15:00] <mok0> buttterz: packages in Debian are automatically incorporated, but at this time, there is a feature freeze on hardy, so everything needs to get a reception
[15:00] <mok0> s/reception/exception
[15:01] <sping> mok0: i think so, but there's no such field yet. i guess that will come after submit?
[15:01] <buttterz> ok...i'll figure this out so i can do it myself again i hate waiting.
[15:01] <buttterz> thanks for the help gents
[15:01] <mok0> buttterz: If it's a straight sync (with no Ubuntu mods) all you need is the go-ahead and the archive admins will do it
[15:02] <mok0> buttterz: that's what the motu-release guys do: issue the go-ahead that the modification is sane and not just an introduction of new features
[15:03] <buttterz> well its smart to package something like this for ubuntu users since its intended to be easy to use -- truecrypt installations are done mostly by sys admins -- not 12 year olds starting linux
[15:04] <mok0> buttterz: what is the name of the package?
[15:05] <buttterz> though its based on source because of the stupid truecrips license is not dfsg compliant
[15:05] <buttterz> which sucks nuts because i can't make them binary -- just automate the process
[15:07] <mok0> buttterz: easycrypt?
[15:12] <sping> mok0: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uriparser/+bug/206578
[15:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206578 in uriparser "[sync-request] Update to 0.6.4 from Debian, please, please" [Undecided,New]
[15:13] <mok0> sping: cool
[15:13] <sping> mok0: great you like it :-)
[15:14] <mok0> sping: it should be taken care of now
[15:14] <sping> mok0: that would be great
[15:15] <rockstar_> There's a MOTU session today, right?
[15:15] <mok0> sping: the mr team will look at it, and subscribe the archive admin if they accept the update
[15:23] <mok0> rockstar_: there's a motu school at 20:00 UTC
[15:24] <rockstar_> mok0, Yea, that's what I had in my calendar, wanted to make sure everything was good.
[15:25] <mok0> rockstar_: In #ubuntu-classroom
[15:25] <mok0> Can't remember the subject though
[15:25] <rockstar_> FTBFS
[15:26] <rockstar_> I believe...
[15:27] <YokoZar> Should I be happy that Wine outranks tracker in popcon?
[15:31] <sistpoty|work> sping: see my comments on the FFe
[15:33] <geser> rockstar_: yes, the topic is FTBFS
[15:51] <ScottK> sistpoty|work: Re the uriparser FFe, since it just a sync, if it's sane I think we should do it despite the lack of rdepends.  Who knows what else may use it and I agree from the changelog that there are potentially security concerns with the version we have.
[15:52] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: well, I guess the question to ask for a test of the functionality will also provide information to what a library per se might be useful ;)
[15:53] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: but I don't have a too strong opinion to not have it in ;)
[16:04] <sping> sistpoty|work: that's you, i see
[16:04] <sistpoty|work> yep
[16:04] <sping> sistpoty|work: just replied
[16:06] <sping> sistpoty|work: fapg >=0.39 in debian depends on uriparser, ubuntu has 0.38
[16:07] <sping> sistpoty|work: herrie depends on libspiff in debian, it is not in ubuntu yet it seems
[16:08] <sistpoty|work> sping: would there be a reason, why we'd need the newer fapg?
[16:08] <sistpoty|work> sping: to the diffstat: best would be debdiff between new and current source package | diffstat
[16:09] <sistpoty|work> sping: build log: package build log from pbuilder or similar
[16:09] <sping> sistpoty|work: feature-wise for sure but there was fix as well that might be security related
[16:09] <sistpoty|work> sping: ok
[16:09] <sistpoty|work> sping: install log, messages dpkg gives you when installing/purging the new package
[16:11] <sping> sistpoty|work: on ubuntu hardy or on debian?
[16:11] <sistpoty|work> sping: on hardy, as you are targetting hardy ;)
[16:11] <\sh> motu-release people: 11th april will wine 0.9.59 released..10th april is finalfreeze ... is it ok to upload wine after the 10th?
[16:12] <sping> sistpoty|work: good point
[16:16] <slangasek> ScottK: oh, new package, hmm, dunno then.
[16:16] <ScottK> Yeah.  Thought so.
[16:26] <\sh> slangasek: what I need to do to request a change for PAS for a special package? let's say add lpia for wine
[16:27] <slangasek> \sh: use the contact information printed at the top of the P-a-s file
[16:27] <\sh> slangasek: and then discuss it...i guess
[16:30] <Laney> Where should I start trying to debug/fix this? "** (process:24341): WARNING **: Unable to register service: Connection ":1.50" is not allowed to own the service "com.intel.ppmd" due to security policies in the configuration file"
[16:37] <pochu> hi jdong, any chances you can comment on bug 204928? thanks
[16:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204928 in amule "[FeatureFreeze Exception] New aMule 2.2.0 pre-release snapshot and build with uPnP " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204928
[16:43] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:43] <ScottK> pochu: stani released today, so it's your turn now.
[16:45] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[16:46] <emgent> heya gang :)
[16:46] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|work
[16:46] <sistpoty|work> hi emgent
[16:47] <bddebian> Hi emgent
[17:25]  * sistpoty|work heads home
[17:25] <sistpoty|work> cya
[18:42] <LaserJock> umm, so if a package doesn't use any patch system, doesn't it have to manually apply patches in debian/rules?
[18:42] <RainCT> ??
[18:43] <LaserJock> a package has no patch system like dpatch/quilt
[18:43] <LaserJock> it must manually apply patches in debian/rules, right?
[18:44] <RainCT> LaserJock: I've always seen the changes being applied directly if a package (from Debian) has no patch system (or in some cases a patch system being added, like when it's a CDBS package)
[18:44] <RainCT> LaserJock: bug I guess that would be an option too :)
[18:45] <LaserJock> well, there is a patches/ directory
[18:45] <LaserJock> with a 3.9MB patch in it
[18:45] <LaserJock> but I don't think it's even being used
[18:45] <RainCT> LaserJock: heh. Perhaps there's a commented line for it in debian/rules or something?
[18:46] <LaserJock> nope
[18:46] <LaserJock> bu there is a README in patches/
[18:46] <ScottK> LaserJock: I've seem that done before.
[18:46] <LaserJock> says it can be applied using patch
[18:46] <ScottK> It called patch directly IIRC.
[18:46] <LaserJock> but it's not doing it
[18:46] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:46] <LaserJock> so it's just sitting there I guess
[18:47] <geser> LaserJock: have you checked if the patch is already applied?
[18:47] <LaserJock> oh, good question
[18:47] <geser> and only for documentation purposes in debian/patches?
[18:47] <mario_limonciell> LaserJock, its possible that it's an unused patch currently too
[18:47] <mario_limonciell> that was deactivated at some point for some undoumented reason
[18:47] <mario_limonciell> or hopefully documented in debian/changelog
[18:50] <LaserJock> I think it was included upstream
[18:50] <LaserJock> and now it's just a dead patch
[18:54] <LaserJock> it's almost entirely autotools cruft
[19:00] <adinc> buttterz: hi, any changes?
[19:02] <adinc> to the truecrypt package
[19:12] <kiko> hello hello
[19:12] <kiko> anyone seen cody around?
[19:13] <ScottK> YokoZar: Thought you might be interested in this http://vince-debian.blogspot.com/2008/03/flashing-sony-dvd-burner.html
[19:14] <YokoZar> ScottK: weird
[19:42] <james_w> Hi all, just a reminder that there is a MOTU School session on FTBFS (Fails to build from source) in 20 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[19:42] <ScottK> Someone who cares about chess might want to look at filing an FFe for getting pychess updated from 0.8 beta to the final release.
[20:00] <james_w> FTBFS session starting now in #ubuntu-classroom.
[20:23] <adinc> buttterz: ping!
[20:36] <mok0> Fujitsu: ping
[20:39] <adinc> is someone here who maintains the kernel package for hardy?
[20:39] <LaserJock> most likely not in here
[20:39] <RainCT> adinc: try in #ubuntu-devel
[20:39] <LaserJock>  the #ubuntu-kernel channel would be the place
[20:39] <slangasek> or #ubuntu-kernel...
[20:39] <adinc> RainCT: ok thank you
[20:39] <adinc> so many ubuntu channels ;)
[20:39] <RainCT> true ^^
[20:40] <adinc> anyone here who makes use of a iwl3945 driver for a intel wireless device?
[20:40] <slangasek> yes
[20:40] <adinc> i'm new to ubuntu and i need to say: very good
[20:40] <adinc> slangasek: do you use it with hardy and the kernel package which comes with it?
[20:40] <slangasek> is this about one of the 5 open iwl3945 bugs that are currently being worked on? :)
[20:41] <adinc> slangasek: i'm sure it is. i've seen two bug reports filed which describe the problem i see with iwl3945 module
[20:41] <slangasek> adinc: yes; presumably you have a bug with it though, I can probably help you better if you tell me what your issue is rather than asking me what I'm using :)
[20:41] <adinc> slangasek: right, the driver can be loaded without problems into the kernel
[20:42] <adinc> when the device then is configured, like with iwconfig wlan0 essid MYNET the module makes log that the microcode has an error
[20:42] <adinc> i'm looking desperatly for a solution without compiling a new kernel myself
[20:43] <slangasek> and you saw an existing bug report about this issue? what was the bug number?
[20:43] <adinc> an launchpad 185470
[20:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185470 in linux "iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185470
[20:43] <slangasek> ok, well, that's not a bug I'm familiarwith, and it's not one that I experience on my version of the chipset
[20:43] <adinc> i'm new to ubuntu but people reported that the old module ipw3945 does work
[20:44] <adinc> slangasek: so whats the solution then?
[20:44] <adinc> i've used new ucodes from intelwireless side and made md5 hash over it, which was the same
[20:45] <adinc> the actuall error which occurs is iwl3945 not functioning : microcode error
[20:46] <slangasek> hardy doesn't support the ipw3945 module; your choices are a) stick with an earlier Ubuntu release until this is resolved (which may or may not occur before the release of Ubuntu 8.04), b) compile your own driver, c) press the issue in the bug report, making yourself available through Launchpad to the kernel developers for testing any fixes
[20:47] <adinc> slangasek: how can i make myself available, i made a comment to the bug
[20:48] <adinc> slangasek: if i wanted to compile it myself, i would need to right compiler, sources of the same kernel etc. since this is a notebook i was trying to avoid this
[20:48] <slangasek> adinc: a follow-up comment saying "I'm happy to test any proposed fixes"? :)
[20:48] <adinc> slangasek: ok, i can do this
[20:48] <slangasek> yes, I didn't say that compiling your own driver was a *good* option... :)
[20:48] <ScottK> adinc: Idling in #ubuntu-kernel doesn't hurt either.
[20:48] <slangasek> right
[20:49] <adinc> ScottK: ok, so many ubuntu channels...
[20:49] <ScottK> Yep.
[20:49] <jpatrick> adinc: you have no idea mate
[20:50] <adinc> jpatrick: how you mean?
[20:50] <jpatrick> adinc: I must be sitting in ~23 ubuntu channels right now
[20:51] <adinc> ;)
[20:51] <adinc> jpatrick: but i suppose you do a good job helping people. i'm sure many people are thankfull for this
[20:54] <jpatrick> adinc: ubuntu ops team, at your service
[20:54] <adinc> jpatrick: i'm sorry for my english, but i didin't understand ;)
[21:05] <tbf> slangasek, ScottK: anything i can do for helping the FFe?
[21:05] <tbf> /the/my/
[21:05] <ScottK> tbf: I've not had time to look at it yet, but assuming it's all filled out, then no.
[21:49] <LaserJock> hmm, we should get upload karma depending on the length of our changelogs :-)
[21:50] <mok0> LaserJock: heh
[21:50] <sebner> LaserJock: that would help to have a better documented changelog :P
[21:51] <RainCT> good idea, I like writting long changelog entries :P
[21:51] <DktrKranz> sebner, argh. I asked you to reduce URL lenght :)
[21:51] <LaserJock>  * I
[21:51] <LaserJock>    - changed one thing
[21:52] <LaserJock>    - changed another
[21:52] <RainCT> hahah
[21:52] <DktrKranz> * I
[21:52] <DktrKranz> * changed
[21:52] <DktrKranz> more karma
[21:52] <LaserJock> what about ascii art changelog entries? :-)
[21:52] <DktrKranz> which app does it?
[21:52] <sebner> DktrKranz: hm?
[21:52] <DktrKranz> let's add them to build-essential
[21:53] <lucas> actually, I would rock to have changelog entries such as "did that, because in Ubuntu, we do XXX"
[21:53] <lucas> it's often difficult to understand why some change was made, from the debian maintainer POV
[21:53] <lucas> it would probably help to get changes merged back in debian
[21:54] <sebner> DktrKranz: what URL ?
[21:54] <DktrKranz> sebner, a merge managed some days ago, I asked you to limit to 80 chars
[21:55] <sebner> DktrKranz: wasn't that sispoty?
[21:55] <RainCT> heh
[21:55] <DktrKranz> lucas, good point, but I think good rationales in bug reports could help more, but that would improve patches.ubuntu.com usage
[21:56] <DktrKranz> sebner, dunno, I'm sure I asked you something similar
[21:56] <sebner> DktrKranz: can you tell me the package name?
[21:56] <DktrKranz> hard to remember :)
[21:57] <sebner> hrh
[21:57] <sebner> I haven't done many merges recently
[21:57] <sebner> especially none that you approved
[21:57] <sebner> Wired
[21:58] <DktrKranz> sebner, opencv
[21:58] <sebner> that was weeks ago xD
[21:59] <sebner> DktrKranz: you are wired
[21:59] <sebner> bug #201185
[21:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201185 in opencv "Merge opencv 1.0.0-4 from Debian(Unstable)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201185
[22:00] <sebner> nothing to complain I suppose :P
[22:00] <DktrKranz> no, just a looooong url you avoided
[22:01] <sebner> To a perfect line not more than 80chars :P
[22:01] <ScottK> Actually less than 80.
[22:02] <sebner> ScottK: I said *not more* than 80 ^^
[22:06] <DktrKranz> see you tomorrow :)
[22:06] <sebner> DktrKranz: ciao
[22:07] <Fujitsu> mok0: You rang?
[22:07] <mok0> Fujitsu: yes
[22:07] <mok0> Fujitsu: I have a question concerning petsc that you merged the other day
[22:08] <mok0> Fujitsu: I am looking at illuminator that depends on it
[22:08] <Fujitsu> mok0: OK, I remember it.
[22:09] <mok0> I tried to merge illuminator 0.11.0, but it fails to build on hardy. It builds fine on sid
[22:09] <Fujitsu> mok0: What's the error?
[22:09] <mok0> Fujitsu: the build fails in the configure script:
[22:10] <mok0> Fujitsu: "configure: error: "PETSc libraries not found""
[22:10] <geser> mok0: check how it checks for them and why it fails
[22:11] <mok0> Fujitsu: after "checking for PetscPrintf in -lpetsc... no"
[22:11] <Fujitsu> My changes aren't exactly huge.
[22:11] <mok0> Fujitsu: there's a newer version in unstable now
[22:11] <Fujitsu> I disabled spooles support, and made it build by dropping an LDFLAG that should be ignored anyway, but...
[22:12] <Fujitsu> Argh, 3 new versions already!?
[22:12] <mok0> My sid sbuilder loads petsc-dev version  2.3.3-9
[22:12] <mok0> ... and I am not sure if that is related to the problem
[22:12] <mok0> Fujitsu: yes, arrrghh
[22:12] <Fujitsu> Can you try to build it in sid with petsc-dev 2.3.3-6?
[22:13] <mok0> How would I do that?
[22:13] <mok0> Specify the build-depends?
[22:13] <Fujitsu> pbuilder login, install the build-deps, then manually install the old petsc over the top, perhaps.
[22:13] <mok0> Fujitsu: sure
[22:40] <synic> what are the package naming conventions for beta packages?
[22:40] <synic> something like exaile_0.2.12+beta1~gutsyppa1 ?
[22:40] <Fujitsu> synic: ~beta1
[22:41] <ScottK> synic: ~beta1~gutsy~ppa1
[22:41] <synic> ok
[22:41] <Fujitsu> And you'll want a hyphen in there somewhere.
[22:41] <ScottK> Right.
[22:41] <Fujitsu> 0.2.12~beta1-0ubuntu1~ppa1~gutsy1
[22:41] <ScottK> Yeah.  What he said.
[22:41] <synic> heh
[22:41] <synic> wow.
[22:42] <synic> is there a document describing this?
[22:42] <Fujitsu> Is there any other way to do it?
[22:42] <RainCT> heh
[22:42] <RainCT> nice version number :)
[22:43] <RainCT> Fujitsu: uhm.. 0.2.12~beta1-0~gutsy1 perhaps? but its better as you said it
[22:44] <sebner> gn8 folks
[22:45] <RainCT> Fujitsu: dpkg --compare-versions 0.2.12~beta1-0~gutsy1 lt 0.2.12~beta1-0ubuntu1~ppa1~hardy1; echo $?
[22:45] <RainCT> 0
[22:45] <RainCT> well I'm off.. good night
[22:45] <Fujitsu> Night RainCT.
[22:53] <LaserJock> does it matter what order you put bzr options?
[22:54] <LaserJock> I'm trying to do a lightweight checkout but it doesn't seem so light
[22:54] <LaserJock> I assume bzr checkout --lightweight is the proper way to do it
[22:55] <james_w> LaserJock: yep
[22:56] <LaserJock> :(
[22:56] <LaserJock> it's gonna take me like an hour to do this checkout
[22:56] <LaserJock> all I want is a little directory :(
[23:05] <vixinu> hey
[23:58] <ScottK2> LaserJock: That is quick for bzr.


[23:42] <filifunk> hi!  I'm trying to download a program and get it to work.  It is very confusing to me because it is linux, could someone help me?
[23:43] <genii> filifunk: What program?
[23:45] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba, trying to research that... I'm not sure how to rsync while tunneling through a intermediary computer
[23:45] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: thanks
[23:45] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone using intel graphics hardware kabylake+ please tell, need to confirm a bug
[23:46] <filifunk> genil: miniflux
[23:46] <filifunk> its an rss reader.  Digg Reader is going to shut down so I figured I'd try an open source program
[23:46] <windowlag> i fixed the laggy window issue, my monitors were running at 30hz, as soon as i fixed that they behave normally when dragging (very responsive and always under the mouse cursor)
[23:47] <windowlag> so an issue at 30hz (im assuming it's the only factor) has gone unnoticed
[23:47] <genii> filifunk: Google tells me it's written in GO, you might need that as a pre-requisite first
[23:49] <genii> filifunk: eg: package name golang
[23:49] <kostkon> filifunk, https://docs.miniflux.net/en/latest/installation.html#debian-package-installation
[23:49] <filifunk> genii:  hmmm...the requirements page doesn't mention it.  There is a thing on there called postgresql which I've never heard before.  Maybe i have to have that
[23:49] <filifunk> kostkon: Hi, yeah I've been trying to figure out that page lol
[23:50] <filifunk> so I decided to try debian package installation
[23:50] <filifunk> I've gone through step two but step 3 I have no idea if I'm doing it correctly
[23:50] <windowlag> so ive finally got my system in a decent state, the secureboot issues should throw an error when they cause a graphics driver to make unity dm fail after login, it's unclear to the novice user
[23:50] <windowlag> (one of your target audiences as a distro, i believe)
[23:51] <windowlag> anyway, make of it what you will, thanks to those that helped earlier
[23:51] <filifunk> I typed in DATABASE_URL and that doesn't do anything and I don't think that's what they are implying
[23:51] <genii> Don't add debian repositories into your Ubuntu, instead just use the same packagenames from regular Ubuntu repos, or PPAs if absolutely required
[23:52] <filifunk> I'm sorry I don't know what that means.    I don't know how to build it.  I have a folder called miniflux master that I've downloaded
[23:55] <filifunk> genii:  why not get the debian files...are those separate from ubuntu files?
[23:55] <genii> filifunk: I think you'd be better off following this guide https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/install-miniflux-on-an-ubuntu-14-04-vps/
[23:55] <genii> I wouldn't bother with the PHP5-6 PPA though, just install the php on default repos
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> filifunk, perhaps rss owl is a better option for you? http://www.rssowl.org/
[23:56] <filifunk> pragmaticenigma: I was going to go with that...but that things isn't maintained anymore
[23:56] <filifunk> genii: that looks better
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> filifunk, just because something isn't maintained, doesn't mean it's bad. It's just reached a maturity and stability that doesn't require a lot of maintenance
[23:57] <filifunk> genii: I don't understand the last thing you said, but maybe I'll justskip the line with the ppa
[23:57] <filifunk> pragmaticenigma...on the github page I think it said not to use it as it is vulnerable
[23:58] <genii> filifunk: You should just need: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install php ..for that part
[23:58] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | phoenix_firebrd
[23:59] <phoenix_firebrd> ha ha ha
[23:59] <phoenix_firebrd> pragmaticenigma: I will do that only when the above said condition satisfies


[08:13] <DJones> IdleOne: k1l After the conversation a couple of days ago about age and age of partners, bloke at work who's 54 has just started going out with a 20 year old, went for a meal/drink on saturday, she stayed at his overnight & then took him to her house to meet her parents (who are both younger than he is) :)
[08:19] <k1l> hehe
[08:52] <elky> ...
[09:29] <jussi> DJones: Ive a good friend who is somewhere in his 40's going out with a 26 year old. not quite as bad, but still, fairly big gap
[10:02] <k1l> * Osama<EMAIL_ADDRESS>hat #ubuntu betreten
 bombas
[10:02] <k1l> is it that school again?
[10:05] <DJones> Whats the format for @mark, is it @mark nick #ubuntu blah blah, or @mark #ubuntu nick ...
[10:05] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu memleak joins just to rant about canonical
[10:05] <DJones> Nevermind, got it :)
[10:05] <k1l> .@mark #channel nick comment
[10:05] <DJones> k1l: Stop reading my mind about @mark'ing memleak
[10:06] <k1l> hehe
[11:38] <IdleOne> DJones: lol
[12:21] <DJones> And gone, 3rd times a charm
[14:55] <Pici> k1l: I don't see an ubuntu-announce email about 12.10
[21:47] <IdleOne> !-releasenotes
[21:48] <IdleOne> !release notes is <alias> releasenotes
[21:48] <IdleOne> !release notes