[00:03] <matsaman> nuala: yep, now I only have to hit the up arrow to send it later
[00:04] <matsaman> and it's in the chat log
[00:21] <HackerII> to late ubuntu.. i have it all on a stick
[00:21] <HackerII> yes, you have control of my system.. but.. not for long
[00:21] <HackerII> crash it
[00:21] <HackerII> now
[00:22] <YWH_1> Ubuntu Software Center does not display any software to install
[00:22] <YWH_1> 20.10
[00:24] <HackerII> the worlds intelligence agencies have gained control of all code.. prove me wrong..
[00:24] <HackerII> boot me. i need proof
[00:24] <sarnold> you need to take a walk :)
[00:25] <HackerII> boot me. i need proof
[00:25] <sarnold> best if you've got a dog, but if yo don't have one, well,do what you can with what you've got :)
[00:25] <HackerII> i already have proof. and i will ;ost it
[00:26] <HackerII> post
[00:26] <HackerII> big proof, not just some social media hack
[00:26]  * cass sighs
[00:26] <HackerII> i want ubunto to boot me
[00:26] <cass> HackerII: could you please try to contribute to #ubuntu without putting nonsense into it this time.
[00:26] <cass> like, actual technical support and such
[00:27] <HackerII> i AM contributing
[00:27] <HackerII> for mthe safety of the community
[00:27] <HackerII> the
[00:27] <cass> going on about "worlds intelligence agencies" is not contributing technical support to #ubuntu
[00:27] <HackerII> im done
[00:27] <cass> you've gotten kicked out of here three times already, i'd really rather not make it four
[00:27] <HackerII> your not that smart
[00:28] <HackerII> i made ubunti think i was weak, and.. they took the bait.. i have proof
[00:28] <HackerII> goday
[00:39] <seydar> i'm on ubuntu 13.0, and i'm having trouble upgrading my openssh (currently 6.1). i think i need to upgrade my sourcelist (https://paste.ofcode.org/rx9kEftGaaC7Ap3h2LKTz4). where can i find a recommended list of sources?
[00:40] <sarnold> seydar: I think your best bet is to upgrade to saucy, then to trusty, then to xenial, then to bionic, and then consider upgrading to focal
[00:41] <seydar> sarnold: i begrudgingly acknowledge that that is the correct answer
[00:42] <seydar> this is an old VPS that i have, so i'm hesitant to do *too* much low-level work, just in case i completely lose access
[00:43] <sarnold> seydar: ah; it may be easier to spin up a new one already on focal and then copy over the things you want to keep
[00:43] <sarnold> (the hardware equivalent of getting a new drive, heh)
[00:43] <sarnold> err I swear that made sense in my head
[00:59] <seydar> sarnold: thanks! i'll see what i can gin up
[01:21] <seydar> okay so i'm upgrading ssh on a remote server. and it's going... poorly
[01:22] <seydar> i've got openssh 8.1 installed, but i'm having trouble linking it to `sudo service`, because that is not succeeding at restarting sshd
[01:22] <seydar> how can i see the debug output of `service`?
[01:45] <sarnold> seydar: focal comes with ssh 8.2, why isn't that good?
[02:01] <seydar> sarnold: because i haven't upgraded to focal yet! i will... soon?
[02:01] <seydar> sarnold: i thought this would be EASY! QUICK! in and out. 20 minute adventure
[02:03] <sarnold> seydar: installing focal in a new machine is twenty minutes, sure :)
[02:03] <sarnold> seydar: trying to upgrade pieces of a machine piecemeal is doomed to sadness
[02:04] <sarnold> seydar: newer versions of openssh likely require newer versions of openssl. if you accidentally replace the systemd openssl with your new openssl, all sorts of *other* stuff will break.
[02:07] <seydar> sarnold: that is 100% what i did
[02:07] <seydar> sarnold: i consider myself technologically amish
[02:07] <seydar> sarnold: i will install openssh and openssl from sources the way my father did and his father before him and his father before him
[02:09] <sarnold> seydar: that's a fun way to learn, no doubt, but also a bit exhausting :)
[02:10] <seydar> sarnold: holy shit i fixed it. once i looked a little more closely at the keys that it supposedly couldn't read... turns out i (duh) needed to run sshd as root
[02:10] <seydar> which then fixed the problem
[02:10] <seydar> and now i'm a happy camper
[02:12] <sarnold> seydar: I don't know if I should ask why sshd wasn't running via whatever service manager we used seven years ago... probably upstart? :)
[02:12] <seydar> sarnold: service. it was, but i was testing it out manually before using my service manager
[02:12] <sarnold> aha
[02:13] <seydar> sarnold: i mean, that's forbidden technology
[02:13]  * nuala hushes :0
[02:15] <seydar> thanks everybody!
[05:01] <sla3k> Hi there, ubuntu 18.04 LTS server installed here, why each and every tutorial that I read online about installing vagrant mentions about installing it a .deb package downloaded from Vagrant website instead od using apt.? any specifics around this?
[05:09] <matsaman> sla3k: tutorials are written by newbs?
[05:09] <matsaman> on their blogs?
[05:09] <matsaman> plus why would you even want to use vagrant
[05:11] <sla3k> Well, it makes easy to manage VMs for testing env as opposed to creating and destroying then via Virtualbox UI, is one thing I know
[05:11] <sla3k> s/then/them
[05:15] <polymid> Hello there. If someone here could help me, I would be very grateful! I have been trying to get my (built-in) webcam to work but up to this moment it's not even getting detected. I know it works because I used it for a short while today and it suddenly stopped working. Could you help me fix it? thank you
[05:16] <polymid> I am new to ubuntu, still a "noob"
[05:17] <matsaman> sla3k: doesn't seem like you're having an easy time
[05:17] <matsaman> polymid: what're you trying to use it with?
[05:19] <polymid> matsaman: when I open cheese, I get the message "No device found"
[05:19] <polymid> matsaman: and the webcam doesn't work when I use jitsi for example
[05:22] <matsaman> polymid: does this command give you anything?: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i uvc
[05:23] <polymid> it gives me this "gzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory"
[05:26] <matsaman> ok
[05:27] <matsaman> polymid: can you get the output 'lsusb' from the usbutils package?
[05:28] <polymid> I get "Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[05:28] <polymid> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0a5c:216c Broadcom Corp. BCM43142A0 Bluetooth Device
[05:28] <polymid> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[05:28] <polymid> "
[05:28] <polymid> matsaman: *
[05:29] <sla3k> matsaman: I've used it before efficiently but on a RHEL platform. Trying it for the first time on Ubuntu and was wondering which Vagrant should I install, the Ubuntu repo ones or from Vagrant website...guess I'll try both
[05:30] <matsaman> sla3k: ubuntu repos
[05:30] <matsaman> polymid: that's all?
[05:30] <matsaman> polymid: what make/model computer is this?
[05:31] <polymid> matsaman: yes, I have an hp pavilion laptop
[05:31] <matsaman> polymid: which one?
[05:32] <polymid> matsaman: I forgot the exact name, is there a way I can check with a command?
[05:32] <matsaman> just look on the bottom =P
[05:33] <polymid> matsaman: it just says pavilion
[05:35] <matsaman> polymid: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75750/how-can-i-find-the-hardware-model-in-linux
[05:38] <polymid> matsaman: HP Pavilion 15 Notebook PC
[05:42] <matsaman> polymid: it's pretty unlikely it isn't a USB webcam covered by UVC
[05:42] <matsaman> polymid: if you reboot what does 'lsusb' say? Does the webcam work again?
[05:44] <polymid> matsaman: I don't think it'll work but I'll reboot and come back to you
[05:58] <polymid> hello, I'm back
[05:59] <polymid> matsaman: now it gives me "Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[05:59] <polymid> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:5775 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. HP "Truevision HD" laptop camera
[05:59] <polymid> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[05:59] <polymid> "
[05:59] <polymid> and cheese works
[06:00] <polymid> it worked once before but as soon as I opened jitsi, it suddenly could not be found
[06:00] <polymid> I'll try again
[06:02] <polymid> matsaman: wow, it's working now!
[06:02] <matsaman> polymid: okay
[06:02] <matsaman> polymid: hrmmm, not sure why it would disappear itself
[06:02] <matsaman> could be down to your browser if it always works from cheese
[06:03] <polymid> matsaman: last time after I opened jitsi, the camera became unavailable. But the problem seems to be solved. If I have any more problems, I'll ask them here. Thanks for your time!
[06:05] <matsaman> np, best of luck
[07:02] <haro> after upgrading to 20.10 from 19, my gtk themes don't work. setting with `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme mytheme` has no effect, but setting GTK_THEME to mytheme and executing is applying the theme properly
[07:49] <DrNefario> how can I prevent landscape-sysinfo from running every ssh login? it seems to take a few seconds to complete on my RPi
[07:55] <ducasse> DrNefario: what are the contents of /etc/update-motd.d ?
[07:56] <DrNefario> ah, there's a landscape-sysinfo file there
[07:56] <DrNefario> how should I disable it?
[07:57] <ducasse> sudo chmod -x /etc/update-motd.d/landscape-sysinfo
[07:57] <ducasse> try that
[07:58] <DrNefario> wow thanks! it logs in so much faster now
[07:58] <ducasse> great, have fun!
[07:59] <ducasse> i don't know if that might break landscape if you ever decide to use it
[07:59] <DrNefario> I'm not even entirely sure what that is
[08:00] <ducasse> it's a commercial product by canonical
[08:00] <ducasse> centralized control thingy
[08:00] <DrNefario> oh, I probably won't need that lol
[08:01] <ducasse> if you do just run +x instead of -x
[08:02]  * pho}e{nix has risen back from the ashes. Good morning everyone :)
[08:04] <DrNefario> well I guess I'll be leaving now, thanks for the help
[08:04] <ducasse> yw
[08:05] <ducasse> morning pho}e{nix
[08:11] <pho}e{nix> ducasse, Hello :D
[08:12] <wyoung> Hi team!
[08:17] <pho}e{nix> hello wyoung
[08:32] <bumblefuzz> so, I downloaded the steam installer here: https://store.steampowered.com/about/
[08:32] <bumblefuzz> and it won't install
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> bumblefuzz: install steam from the ubuntu repos
[08:51] <diskin> Hi all, sometimes when I open a new tab in Mozilla Firefox, it shows that it requires restart. Why is it doing it, and why it doesn't actually restart after that? I'm on 20.04 with the latest Firefox.
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> diskin: open firefox from a terminal please, and see if you can catch errors
[08:53] <diskin> lotuspsychje, good idea, thanks! It does not do it too often, but I'll catch it!
[08:53] <ducasse> diskin: it is most likely because it has been upgraded in the background
[09:00] <pho}e{nix> diskin, do you have automatic updates enabled?
[09:00] <pho}e{nix> I updated my computer yesterday and I believe there was also a Firefox update there
[09:01] <ducasse> there have been two recently
[09:01] <pho}e{nix> well..there you go :D you got your answer :D
[09:16] <DomasTux> hello
[09:45] <bewees> hello
[09:45] <bewees> can i delete duplicated service unit files in /lib/systemd?
[09:46] <bewees> nvm; i just do it :-)
[10:06] <ocean> hi, i have old(er) usb webcam, logitech c270, just not showing image. I'm on 20.04. The usb device shows up, dmesg says "Entity type for entity Camera 1 was not initialized!" (not sure what this means). See lsusb output and dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rVd5RCMq2s/
[10:07] <ocean> lots of similar issues in posts, forum etc, I just cannot seem to get any further...
[10:08] <Deyaa> I want to ask a question
[10:08] <Deyaa> How can I include JSON files into my code??
[10:08] <pho}e{nix> Deyaa, what kind of code?
[10:09] <pho}e{nix> ocean, what software are you using for it?
[10:09] <Deyaa> C++
[10:09] <Deyaa> Vsc
[10:10] <ocean> pho}e{nix: cheese, guvcview, basically "whatever" ... no dice
[10:10] <pho}e{nix> Try asking this on another C++ specific channel, this is Ubuntu support, not C++ support :)
[10:10] <pho}e{nix> ocean, I once had similar issues...believe it or not -> changing the usb port worked for me back in the days
[10:10] <pho}e{nix> (USB 2.0 -> USB)
[10:10] <Deyaa> I tried#c++ but it requires an invitation
[10:11] <pho}e{nix> Deyaa, try ##c++
[10:11] <Deyaa> There is an other question
[10:11] <Deyaa> How can I drop into a running job std
[10:12] <Deyaa> Sometimes I'm running a software on the command line but the server disconnect
[10:12] <ocean> pho}e{nix: good point. I tried several (all). Even led comes on, just no image. Hope someone point me into right direction, meanwhile I'll hit the interwebs again
[10:14] <pho}e{nix> ocean, have you tried looking for a driver online?
[10:23] <pho}e{nix> ocean, and another thing...are you positive that the Webcam still works? :D how old is it?
[10:23] <pho}e{nix> ocean, does it work on any other machine?
[10:27] <userDepth> SLS multi monitor not supported in AMDGPU?
[10:28] <userDepth> it adds the monitro but says xrandr: cannot find output
[10:28] <userDepth> xrandr --setmonitor Eyefinity auto "DisplayPort, DVI-D-0"
[10:28] <dob1> hi, how does hexchat works with gnome shell? how do I know if someone message me?
[10:29] <ocean> pho}e{nix: where I'm now, I only have a 19.04 and 20.04 box, both same result for the camera, so tonight I'll try it on a windows box, but I really doubt that the issue is in the camera (hardware)
[10:29] <dob1> there is just a notification... nothing that blink
[10:30] <ThinkT510> dob1: typically they would need to use your nick
[10:30] <ledeni> dob1: will green out message
[10:30] <dob1> no, sorry I am not clear, there not a tray icon whatever ?
[10:31] <dob1> I installed hexchat indicator but no way to get something that gives me a visual warning if someone set me a message.  yes there is a simple popup notification but it will disappear
[10:31] <pho}e{nix> ocean, well...maybe, maybe not :D
[10:33] <dob1> am I the only one that use hexchat?
[10:33] <ledeni> dob1➡ check settings preference alerts
[10:33] <dob1> ledeni, are you using hexchat?
[10:33] <pho}e{nix> dob1, nope, i use hexchat as well
[10:34] <dob1> pho}e{nix, it's a yes or a no?
[10:34] <ledeni> dob1➡ yes
[10:34] <dob1> ledeni, ok if someone write a private message to you what happen?
[10:35] <ledeni> dob1➡ got notification
[10:36] <dob1> ledeni, the one at the center of the top center?
[10:36] <dob1> *top center of the screen
[10:36] <ledeni> dob1➡ yes
[10:37] <dob1> ledeni, me too, but it will disappear in 10 sec more or less and you don't know if someone sent a message to you if you are not there
[10:41] <zetheroo> How to set the 'Sort folders before files' preference globally for the Files app?
[10:42] <zetheroo> and/or why doesn't Files/Nautilus remember the setting being set!?
[10:44] <ledeni> dob1 go to 'gnome'  Settings -- Notifications -- Hexchat -- Notificatons Popups -- turn on
[10:46] <userDepth> Is SLS multi monitor (Eyefinity) supported in AMDGPU FOSS drivers? Kubuntu 20.04.1
[10:47] <quadrathoch2> userDepth I don't think so :/
[10:47] <dob1> ledeni, where?
[10:47] <dob1> ledeni, they are on
[10:48] <dob1> ledeni, I would like a blink icon not this popup
[10:49] <dob1> ledeni, have to go thanks anyway for the help
[10:50] <ledeni> dob1➡ ok
[10:52] <ledeni> dob1➡  but my hexchat icon on top bar blinking alawys you send me message
[10:55] <pyrophilia> Yo hey ubuntu the latest update gave me my abilility tyo type
[10:55] <pyrophilia> my quotes key back
[10:56] <pyrophilia> sorry premature enter. " it works now.  it's been going back and forth between updates.
[10:57] <pyrophilia> I have Japanese pack installed but even switching back and forth between both doesn't fix it when it gives trouble.
[10:57] <pyrophilia> anyways just wanted to indiciate issue is resolved  for now. hopefully doesn't return.
[11:43] <john_rambo> Hi want to stream Youtube using VLC or mpv in resolution no more than 360p .... Is this possible ?
[11:44] <ducasse> john_rambo: i believe you can pipe it from youtube-dl through mpv, should be guides online
[11:50] <quadrathoch2> john_rambo you can tell YouTube-dl in which Resolution you want to watch idk about vlc
[11:51] <quadrathoch2> hm
[11:52] <wyoung> How is that even a ubuntu question?
[11:52] <mort> Uh, what happened to libgnome-keyring in 20.10?
[12:29] <diskin> pho}e{nix, what kind of updates is it? I update my system manually using apt upgrade.
[12:36] <f-a> when I am greeted by my ubuntu server, I receive a message which among other things says
[12:36] <f-a> Memory usage: 28%
[12:36] <f-a> how can I inspect that 28% (which processes, etc.)
[12:37] <quadrathoch2> f-a probably something like top/htop
[12:39] <f-a> thanks
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:04] <luizfrds> Hello! is it okay to ask a question about libsoup here?
[13:04] <leitz> Does apt/apt-get automatically resolve and install dependencies? Or, what should I look at when it fails to?  :)
[13:09] <quadrathoch2> leitz apt is resolving dependencies. as long as they are available (if not it complains)
[13:10] <leitz> quadrathoch2, that's what I thought. Not sure how to find the repo for the packages it can't find, though.
[13:10] <quadrathoch2> leitz if you tell us, we could maybe help
[13:12] <leitz> quadrathoch2, thanks. I'm trying to install Kotlin, and it seems to want clang. Running apt/apt-get for clang-10 and clang-tools-10 gives me:    clang-10 : Depends: libclang-common-10-dev (= 1:10.0.0-4ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[13:13] <quadrathoch2> leitz I assume you are on 20.04?
[13:13] <leitz> In the Software and Updates viewer I have the Canonical-supported and Community-maintained.
[13:13] <leitz> quadrathoch2, yes; 20.04
[13:13] <leitz> I do not have snap installed.
[13:14] <quadrathoch2> leitz, you need to enable universe
[13:14] <leitz> Rather, I have snap uninstalled.
[13:14] <leitz> quadrathoch2, universe is enabled, multiverse is not.
[13:15] <leitz> "Download from" is set to "Main server".
[13:15] <quadrathoch2> hm let me test it out for a sec in a vm
[13:16] <leitz> quadrathoch2, thanks! Standing by.
[13:24] <ogra> leitz, sudo snap install kotlin --classic ... it is even maintained directly by jetbrains (see "snap info kotlin")
[13:25] <leitz> ogra, you missed the "snap is uninstalled" bit above.
[13:25] <ogra> huh ?
[13:26] <ace_me> run-parts /etc/cron.daily gives error after upgrade to ubuntu 20 -  can not open a temporary file for `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db'
[13:26] <ogra> whats the error ? thats extremely unusual
[13:26] <leitz> ogra, I come from an OS background, and snap is not something I want on my computer.
[13:26] <ogra> oops, sorry i read "uninstallable"
[13:26] <leitz> No worries.
[13:27] <ogra> well, then stick with outdated versions from the archive or some third party repo that gives others root on your machine ... up to you indeed
[13:27] <zetheroo> I'm really not happy with the performance of my brand new Thinkpad P14s with Ubuntu 20.04 running on it. I have been using a Thinkpad T440p with Ubuntu 18.04 and then 20.04 and had much better performance.
[13:28] <ogra> (i dont think any other version you could install is as well maintained as the kotlin snap from upstream)
[13:30] <leitz> ogra, understood. Ubuntu has a lot to offer, but I really dislike piling things (snap, brew, flatpack) on.
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: define whats lacking on the performance exactly?
[13:30] <zetheroo> for one, Chrome just devours CPU like nuts
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: use chromium, the ubuntu alternate for chrome
[13:31] <zetheroo> and have tried enabling and disabling hardware acceleration
[13:31] <ogra> well, snaps have a lot to offer to you, but it is indeed your system after all and nobody forces snaps on you if you dont want them 🙂
[13:32] <ogra> (and indeed debs wont go away ... )
[13:32] <zetheroo> but overall the performance is not as smooth and zippy as my T440p
[13:33] <quadrathoch2> leitz working fine here on a fresh install
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: sudo apt install preload stacer haveged gnome-tweaks and start tweaking your system
[13:33] <leitz> quadrathoch2, I even enabled multiverse and it gives the same error.
[13:34] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: I'll try with Chromium first I guess
[13:34] <leitz> quadrathoch2, "apt-get upgrade" doesn't show anything needing updating.
[13:35] <leitz> quadrathoch2, experimenting.
[13:35] <ogra> leitz, was that an upgraded machine (could you still have older repos enabled) ?
[13:36] <ogra> libclang-common-10-dev is certainly in universe at the version clang-10 asks for
[13:37] <leitz> ogra, fresh install of 20.04. I tried to install libclang-common-10-dev, and it gave the dependency errors on lib32gcc-s1, lib32stdc++6, and libc6-i386
[13:38] <quadrathoch2> leitz, any other weird repositories?
[13:38] <leitz> Putting those on the install command like with the libclang-common-10-dev let them install, and now
[13:38] <leitz> clang-10 and clang-tools-10 installs.
[13:38] <ogra> great
[13:39] <leitz> quadrathoch2, I had had postgresql, but un-enabled it.
[13:39] <leitz> It sounds like the dependency checking failed after the initial level? But quadrathoch2's install worked.
[13:39] <leitz> Hmm...
[13:40] <ogra> works fine here (i didnt let it install but it finds all bits at the resolution level)
[13:43] <ogra> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qwJBYxtjWS/
[13:43] <ogra> (for "sudo apt install clang-10")
[13:46] <leitz> orga, it probably realizes I'm from a Red Hat background, and thus it likes you more.   :)
[13:47] <ogra> lol
[14:02] <chalcedony> how does one download hexchat for ubuntu 20.04? i don't see it in the programs
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> !info hexchat focal
[14:03] <ogra> https://snapcraft.io/hexchat ?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> chalcedony: you have the universe repo enabled?
[14:04] <chalcedony> lotuspsychje, not sure. its hubby's computer
[14:04] <chalcedony> how do i tell?
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> !sources | chalcedony
[14:05] <chalcedony> the download page for hexchat doesn't seem to have anything but windows now?
[14:06] <chalcedony> thanks looking :)
[14:09] <pavlos> chalcedony: sudo apt install hexchat should work on 20.04
[14:10] <chalcedony> pavlos, that would be wonderful
[14:10] <chalcedony> ive been twiddling around with the guis
[14:12] <leitz> chalcedony, I'm using hexchat.
[14:12] <pavlos> chalcedony: if you click on the 9 dots (show applications, there is one, Software & Updates. When opened, it shows the repositories enabled (main, universe, multiverse)
[14:13] <chalcedony> leitz, hexchat is awesome.
[14:14] <chalcedony> once i get hexchat i can tell him what to do :)
[14:15] <chalcedony> god bless putty ;P
[14:18] <pavlos> chalcedony: since you're on putty, grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v '#'   should output 4 lines
[14:19] <leftyfb> chalcedony: sudo add-apt-repository universe ; sudo apt install hexchat
[14:20] <chull> works great :)
[14:20] <pavlos> chalcedony: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tQK6ZXs7xV/
[14:31] <chull> pavlos, thank you :)
[14:31] <chull> do you know how to get it to accept port 113 being open?
[14:38] <jmosco> question - so I have tried different drivers, and kernels, but after installing the nvidia driver on 20.04, im stuck at the login loop screen
[14:39] <jmosco> and I have disabled autologin and looked at perms of .Xauthority and some other settings as well
[14:39] <jmosco> only thing I can do is switch to console and startx
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> jmosco: startx is not the way to go anymore, that can result into a loop
[14:40] <jmosco> right, thats what I said above that im using startx so I can use X because of the login loop issue
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | jmosco try to bypass
[14:41] <pavlos> chull: you could sudo apt install oidentd, then edit /etc/oidentd.conf ... netstat -plant | grep 113 shows 113 LISTEN for tcp and tcp6
[14:42] <chalcedony> pavlos, thanks :)
[14:42] <jmosco> lotuspsychje: ok ill try that now, thanks
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> jmosco: after you bypass, install the nvidia driver of your choice
[14:43] <jmosco> I do have the one installed I want
[14:47] <jmosco> so will nomodset cause it to boot to console?
[14:47] <samuelrajan747> Can someone get me the URL for the  new wine like project that runs a windows VM and uses RDP to get the apps displayed
[14:49] <jmosco> hmm, reading about this now
[14:50] <leftyfb> !ot | samuelrajan747
[14:50] <samuelrajan747> ok
[14:53] <EriC^^> jmosco: does the problem occur if you create a different user and test?
[14:54] <EriC^^> sounds like a user dependent issue and not system-wide
[14:57] <jmosco> EriC^^: I can try that
[14:57] <EriC^^> ok
[14:58] <EriC^^> jmosco: come to think of it, it seems like some issue with the desktop manager than the user cause you said doing startx works
[14:59] <EriC^^> but it's worth a shot who knows
[15:00] <jmosco> right, im not sure beyond switching via ctrl-alt-fn to a diff term then starting X
[15:00] <jmosco> I thought the problem was with gdm3 but cant find much about that
[15:01] <EriC^^> any logs in /var/log/gdm or similar?
[15:02] <jmosco> no gdm logs there
[15:02] <jmosco> dir is empty actually
[15:04] <EriC^^> maybe it's one of those pam etc issues?
[15:06] <EriC^^> jmosco: how about trying to install lightdm?
[15:06] <EriC^^> for me /var/log/lightdm has a ton of log files, maybe it would also give you logs and maybe work too
[15:06] <jmosco> I did see that on the ubuntu forums, but did try it yet
[15:11] <jmosco> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/please-help-login-loop-ubuntu-16-04-lts/79787
[15:12] <jmosco> very similar to this, I do have the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file but I dont know if I should remove it
[15:12] <jmosco> its a razer blade 15
[15:16] <EriC^^> jmosco: try to do the 2nd user, since its so easy
[15:16] <EriC^^> 'sudo adduser testuser'
[15:17] <EriC^^> jmosco: if that doesn't work, type 'sudo apt-get install lightdm' and see if it works, if not see if you now have logs in /var/log/lightdm
[15:18] <jmosco> doing this now
[15:18] <EriC^^> ok
[15:26] <chull> Are there instructions somewhere to get a computer to see a second Ubuntu drive, not make a new drive?
[15:31] <quadrathoch2> chull what do you mean?\
[15:33] <chull> quadrathoch2, he's on a new drive. He wants to install the old one and get his stuff off of it.
[15:35] <quadrathoch2> chull look into clonezilla
[15:35] <gordonjcp> chull: probably not, what are you trying to do?
[15:35] <chull> quadrathoch2, hmm I don't think we have used that before, thanks :)
[15:35] <gordonjcp> chull: are you planning on doing a new install onto a new drive, and then copying stuff off your old drive?
[15:36] <chull> gordonjcp, we are on his new drive with 20.04, but the old one has data he needs.
[15:36] <quadrathoch2> ahh sorry then chull, I misunderstood it then
[15:36] <gordonjcp> chull: that's easy enough
[15:36] <chull> Old one is 18.04
[15:37] <gordonjcp> chull: just plug your old drive in, and copy everything off
[15:37] <gordonjcp> chull: be careful when you reboot that you boot into the new drive and not the old one, but that ought to "just work" like you expect
[15:37] <zetheroo>  lotuspsychje: I installed those packages (preload stacer haveged gnome-tweaks) anything in particular you can think of to improve performance?
[15:37] <chull> except it won't. it tries to boot to that drive, and there are problems with it. also with it plugged in if it boots to this one,  it crashes.
[15:37] <gordonjcp> chull: if you're doing a lot of that sort of thing I recommmend getting a USB-to-SATA cable
[15:39] <chull> maybe we need that, an interface?
[15:40] <gordonjcp> well that means you can plug it in once your 20.04 is already booted
[15:40] <gordonjcp> chull: actually, can the 18.04 drive still boot?
[15:40] <gordonjcp> chull: maybe it'd be easier to just stick it in another machine, and copy everything over the network
[15:41] <bumbar> i have libssl 1.0 and 1.1 installed ( https://dpaste.org/PYet ) but when i try to run my binary, it says: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.1: version `OPENSSL_1_1_1' not found
[15:41] <chull> Can he copy back from windows 10 to ubuntu?
[15:42] <bumbar> libssl seems to be pointing to 1.1 version: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so -> libssl.so.1.1
[15:42] <gordonjcp> chull: You ought to be able to mount a VFAT drive and copy off that, yes
[15:43] <gordonjcp> chull: Windows 10 probably won't support an ext4 drive though
[15:50] <chull> gordonjcp, he was able to copy most of his data to the windows computer's drive. I was asking if it will copy back ok?
[15:51] <chull> winscp is good for some things ;)
[15:51] <gordonjcp> chull: should do, although some permissions and things might need looked at because Windows doesn't really keep track of that
[15:52] <chull> it had trouble with some file names
[15:52] <gordonjcp> ye
[15:52] <gordonjcp> Unix in general is funny about spaces or forward slashes in filenames
[15:53] <chull> Hubby likes spaces. Ubuntu seems to allow it sometimes. But Windows didn't like some of them.
[15:56] <samuelrajan747> I updated a xenial to focal by running sed on the sources.list, does that method has any known issues?
[15:59] <samuelrajan747> umm, guys..
[16:01] <Maik> !patience
[16:01] <samuelrajan747> Maik: ok...
[16:02] <wolfram> Hello, I have a quick question about eBPF that I would in other circumstances ask in #linux but I discovered long ago that it is overrun with trolls so I avoid it. To keep it in line with the topic, I can assure you that I use Ubuntu :)
[16:03] <nikolam> seelms like nvidia-340 driver package have problem installing on 20.10 : "E: nvidia-340: installed nvidia-340 package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 10 "
[16:05] <zetheroo>  lotuspsychje: I switched to using the Nvidia GPU instead of the Intel one and now the system flies
[16:05] <zetheroo> strange though that on my T440p there was only Intel gpu and yet it was as fast
[16:06] <wolfram> Essentially, in an application, I have a long-running TCP connection between two hosts that sometimes gets broken by no one knows what reasons (not caused by the application). The application knows how to auto-reconnect but there is still a downtime of a few dozen seconds. I would like to investigate on a low level what the reason behind it all is. I wonder if eBPF is the answer - would it allow me to
[16:06] <wolfram> keep track of each and every TCP event (whatever the definition) that the kernel handles? Thanks.
[16:06] <nikolam> Maybe I should actually install drivers form Nvidia site, then..
[16:07] <wolfram> So as not to stray too far from the channel's topic, let me add that it would be investigated on Ubuntu 20.04.
[16:07] <jelly> samuelrajan747: I would (also, I am going to) use the do-release-upgrade tool to go from a LTS release to the next LTS release
[16:08] <nikolam> Or should I install older driver nvidia- from Ubuntu repos
[16:08] <jelly> samuelrajan747: just did a xenial -> bionic couple months ago.  bionic -> focal is next in turn.  I'm pretty sure skipping a step is NOT a good idea.
[16:13] <samuelrajan747> jelly: that was a small VPS at my work with less memory, storage. Had to update it asap. update broke due to storage had to fix that and redo again and again
[16:19] <jelly> samuelrajan747: hopefully you took a snapshot or clone, because things are likely to break in weird and unusual ways if you skip release steps
[16:20] <samuelrajan747> no, never made any snapshot
[16:21] <samuelrajan747> jelly: going to install/configure ovenvpn on that machine, instead of outline running on docker. Wish me luck
[16:35] <quadrathoch2> samuelrajan747 editing sources.list is not a supportable upgradepath, do-release-upgrade is the way to go (editing sources.list is the debian way, so not ubuntu)
[16:38] <samuelrajan747> quadrathoch2: consider upgrading a machine with 300M free mem and 2G of free storage
[16:40] <quadrathoch2> shouldn't be an issue
[16:40] <quadrathoch2> samuelrajan747 ^
[16:40] <jelly> and the second thing do-release-upgrade does is... change sources.list, only automatically
[16:41] <jelly> samuelrajan747: 2G free might or might not be enough, depending on which packages are installed
[16:42] <jelly> but it's easy to expand or add a new disk to a VM or VPS if you control the host environment
[16:42] <jelly> and the release upgrade process includes a reboot, so "free RAM" is going to change anyway
[16:43] <quadrathoch2> imho, just stop the services for a sec, so that it can upgrade. can't hurt, and i would rather have a system have it down for a bit, then a broken upgrade
[16:58] <mort> Does anyone know where libgnome-keyring went in ubuntu 20.10?
[17:00] <samuelrajan747> jelly: stopped mysql during the `apt upgrade`, I don't got approval to increase the VPS capacity (both mem, disk)
[17:02] <quadrathoch2> mort,
[17:02] <quadrathoch2> Sorry didn’t want to highlight
[17:05] <quadrathoch2> so now mort. libgnome-keyring was deprecated. Use libsecret instead
[17:06] <jelly> samuelrajan747: I would advise against going for the release upgrade at all, at that point
[17:06] <mort> quadrathoch2: I seem to already have libsecret, but ubuntu's nextcloud package doesn't seem to be using it?
[17:06] <samuelrajan747> jelly: but I made that a success
[17:06] <jelly> samuelrajan747: you were lucky.
[17:07] <samuelrajan747> It could have gone wrong, but luckily it didn't
[17:07] <quadrathoch2> mort so how did you install nc?
[17:07] <mort> `sudo apt install nextcloud-desktop` probably
[17:07] <mort> to be clear, i'm talking about the desktop sync client, not the server
[17:08] <samuelrajan747> better the dev guys upgrade programs one by one instead of all at once to solve the issue
[17:08] <quadrathoch2> hm weird I use next cloud on 20.04 without any issues
[17:08] <mort> do you have libgnome-keyring0?
[17:09] <quadrathoch2> nope, as it’s not in 20.04 last version is 18.04
[17:09] <mort> weird
[17:09] <quadrathoch2> Yep
[17:09] <mort> maybe it's something else then. Nextcloud started asking me to log in every time I restart, I assumed it was libgnome-keyring0 because that's what it usually is when nextcloud doesn't work properly
[17:11] <nunya_> I'm not sure why but I can't adjust volume during fullscreen games using medai keys on keyboard. Have to minimize the game, adjust volume, go back to game. Have Googled, found no solution. Please help.
[17:11] <mort> after a recent upgrade to either sway or the rest of ubuntu, gtk apps take ages to start under sway, so it might be related to whatever causes that
[17:13] <pavlos> quadrathoch2: nc is netcat which can be installed as: sudo apt install netcat
[17:14] <quadrathoch2> pavlos I know, we were talking about nextcloud-desktop
[17:15] <pavlos> quadrathoch2: sorry, I read the question how did you install nc
[17:15] <nunya_> Please direct answers to individuals
[17:16] <EriC^^> nunya_: who are you talking to? (see what i did there?)
[17:16] <mefistofeles> xD
Very funny
[17:16] <pavlos> nunya_: what are medai keys?
[17:17] <quadrathoch2> probably media keys
[17:17] <pavlos> I see ...
sorry, media ( volume up, volume down,  mute)
[17:18] <pavlos> nunya_: thanks
Not a huge issue just a pain in the posterior if I had volume down for something else before starting game.
[17:25] <realies> is there a way to switch between integrated amd graphics and dedicated nvidia one on ubuntu
[17:26] <pavlos> nunya_: maybe an option in the game to "Show Controls" when fullscreen (eg. such option exists in vlc)
[17:29] <quadrathoch2> Realies, are we talking desktop?
[17:29] <realies> quadrathoch2, laptop, asus g14
[17:31] <quadrathoch2> Since 3.36 gnome has an option to run a program on the other gpu, right clicking and running on dedicated (or whatever it’s called) but pretty sure nothing else, as the ui should already run only on the integrated
[17:33] <realies> how to see what's active?
[17:34] <quadrathoch2> I guess something like nvtop probably (it’s a top for your gpu) other than that, good question. Never had that issue, as for me it was always easy to spot (games or blender for example)
[17:37] <realies> :D
[17:37] <realies> https://support.system76.com/articles/graphics-switch-ubuntu/
[18:22] <eelstrebor> strange issue. sometimes firefox stops connecting to a website until i run traceroute and then firefox connects to the site. does it on multiple sites
[18:36] <TJ-> eelstrebor: IPv6 or IP4 connections?
[18:51] <aldcor> Hello, experts! So, ubuntu `just works` and can't even argue as it does for me to. However I'm curious about what exactly ubuntu does right to makes this happen - So, I got Roland Corp. Rubix 22 external soundcard for my piano keyboard. On lsusb it's visible and it's recognised systemwide so no problem. But on my voidlinux (daily driver) I can see it on lsusb but for example I don't see it and select in
[18:51] <aldcor> Audacity. Is it more up to date udevd or what? How would I make this work on voidlinux?
[19:36] <elias_a> aldcor: Missing drivers? This however is a bit offtopic on this chan. This channel is meant solely for Ubuntu support and as this is a global channel... :)
[19:37] <leftyfb> aldcor: probably the drivers that are compiled into the kernel. You're better off asking voidlinux what they're doing wrong in that aspect
[19:58] <aldcor> hello! I'm trying to make this module https://github.com/umlaeute/v4l2loopback but I got this https://pastebin.com/2FiCSjqv
[20:01] <EriC^^> aldcor: it looks like it worked, nothing in /home/davis/v4l2loopback/utils ?
[20:02] <aldcor> oh..
[20:02] <aldcor> yeah there are files
[20:02] <EriC^^> and /home/davis/v4l2loopback/v4l2loopback.ko is the module
[20:06] <aldcor> EriC^^: thanks! I got error though. Now I want to install this https://github.com/CatxFish/obs-v4l2sink and I got https://pastebin.com/mjHMeCib
[20:07] <EriC^^> aldcor: maybe try 'sudo apt-get install cmake'
[20:07] <aldcor> i did that already
[20:08] <EriC^^> aldcor: did you do sudo apt install qtbase5-dev ?
[20:08] <aldcor> EriC^^: yes
[20:09] <aldcor> Compiling the CXX compiler identification source file "CMakeCXXCompilerId.cpp" failed.
[20:09] <aldcor> Compiler: CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER-NOTFOUND
[20:09] <aldcor> it's in that error log
[20:09] <EriC^^> try 'which cmake'
[20:09] <EriC^^> what's it give?
[20:10] <aldcor>  /usr/bin/cmake
[20:10] <EriC^^> aldcor: try doing 'export CXX=/usr/bin/cmake'
[20:10] <EriC^^> then trying the command again
[20:11] <EriC^^> actually that seems it wont work
[20:12] <EriC^^> aldcor: i think it needs to know where the C++ compiler is (CXX)
[20:12] <aldcor> yeah it gave this https://pastebin.com/B9GV0dra
[20:12] <aldcor> wierd
[20:12] <aldcor> yeah, so it seems
[20:13] <EriC^^> aldcor: what does 'dpkg -L cmake | grep bin' give?
[20:13] <aldcor>  /usr/bin /usr/bin/cmake /usr/bin/cpack /usr/bin/ctest
[20:16] <EriC^^> aldcor: try adding -D CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER="/usr/bin/g++" after 'cmake' in the command
[20:18] <aldcor> nothing happens, it looks like this
[20:18] <aldcor> >
[20:18] <EriC^^> press ctrl+c
[20:18] <EriC^^> cmake -D CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER="/usr/bin/g++" -DLIBOBS_INCLUDE_DIR="../../obs-studio/libobs" -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ..
[20:19] <EriC^^> try that command
[20:20] <aldcor>  /usr/bin/g++ is not a full path to an existing compiler tool.
[20:21] <aldcor> Tell CMake where to find the compiler by setting either the environment variable "CXX" or the CMake cache entry CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to the full path to the compiler, or to the compiler name if it is in the PATH.
[20:21] <EriC^^> aldcor: try sudo apt-get install g++
[20:21] <EriC^^> then try the command again
[20:27] <EriC^^> aldcor: any luck?
[20:27] <aldcor> it seems it's not reading a right path. The rest is now fixed I think. -- Could NOT find Libobs (missing: LIBOBS_LIB) . libobs directories are in /home/davis/obs-studio
[20:28] <EriC^^> ah
[20:29] <aldcor> i think they wanted to make it "automated" but this makes it more complex
[20:30] <aldcor> i have no problem manually browsing directories and entering commands
[20:30] <EriC^^> what's the last error it gave and stuff? can you pastebin the basic errors/last output?
[20:33] <aldcor> EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/iBbsiCHb
[20:33] <EriC^^> ty
[20:35] <EriC^^> aldcor: odd, why can't it find them
[20:36] <EriC^^> did you run the git command with the --recursive ?
[20:36] <frib> My wifi randomly gets disabled on recent ubuntu 20 installation
[20:36] <EriC^^> aldcor: try "ls -l ~/obs-studio/libobs" see what's there
[20:36] <frib> Bluetooth also gets disabled and I have to `rfkill unblock 0` to enable it
[20:37] <EriC^^> frib: anything in "dmesg" output when it happens?
[20:37] <frib> EriC^^, well I haven't checked that but I can't 'make' it happen
[20:37] <aldcor> EriC^^: i did git clone --recursive https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio.git as mentioned in this link https://github.com/CatxFish/obs-v4l2sink
[20:38] <EriC^^> aldcor: ok
[20:38] <aldcor> EriC^^: it's full with files
[20:39] <mesyeti> frib: that might be something you left on in power settings
[20:40] <EriC^^> frib: mesyeti has a good point, also maybe its a setting in the bios, or power saving
[20:40] <mesyeti> it just turned off for me
[20:41] <frib> mesyeti, yes you're right! thanks
[20:41] <mesyeti> oh
[20:41] <mesyeti> i tried turning it off just now and it disconnected me, when I tried to connect again the option enabled itself..
[20:42] <frib> mesyeti, you're right
[20:42] <frib> but when I turn that setting off I see that it gets automatically re-enabled
[20:42] <aldcor> it would be much easier if obs-v4l2sink would be in repos
[20:42] <mesyeti> same happened to me
[20:42] <mesyeti> i said about it after you disconnected
[20:42] <frib> oh, did you find a sln?
[20:43] <EriC^^> aldcor: im trying to install it here as a test
[20:43] <aldcor> EriC^^: oh thank you very much
[20:43] <mesyeti> do you mean solution?
[20:43] <frib> yes
[20:43] <mesyeti> ah
[20:43] <mesyeti> not yet
[20:43] <frib>  /etc/pm/power.d directory ?
[20:45] <EriC^^> aldcor: for me it seems that it detected the libobs, then it cut out at an error about qt5core (which i didnt install), it says -- Found Libobs: /usr/local/../lib/libobs.so
[20:45] <frib> hello?
[20:46] <jonn> Hello, I have a fairly classic line in my `.Xresources`: `URxvt.perl-ext-common: default,clipboard,keyboard-select,url-select`. On NixOS and Arch Linux it kind of worked out of the box, while on Ubuntu LTS 20.04 it doesn't. I can't find any information on why does it happen and when I look at ubuntu manpages, I see that ubuntu-extensions should be packed under rxvt-unicode_9.19-1
[20:46] <EriC^^> aldcor: let me see which package gave me that lib
[20:46] <jonn> Question: how to make url-select work on Ubuntu LTS 20.04? :)
[20:46] <tomreyn> fib + mesyeti: are you discussing the settings -> power -> power saving -> wifi option?
[20:46] <EriC^^> aldcor: obs-studio: /usr/lib/libobs.so
[20:47] <MESYETI_> sorry for disconnecting I switched device
[20:47] <tomreyn> and frib lost patience
[20:47] <MESYETI_> oh
[20:48] <MESYETI_> i left my other client on and now I can't identify
[20:48] <aldcor> EriC^^: i got libosp.so.5  and libosp.so.5 in /usr/lib
[20:48] <EriC^^> aldcor: i think you need to install obs-studio i tried find -iname 'libobs*' in the git dir of it and its nowhere to be found
[20:49] <aldcor> from repos you mean?
[20:49] <EriC^^> it looks like it wants that file libobs.so, which for me the obs-studio package provided it
[20:49] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:49] <EriC^^> !find libobs.so
[20:49] <aldcor> oh makes sense
[20:53] <aldcor> I installed obs from repos but it isn't a fix right? I mean, that command still look in wrong path
[20:54] <sarnold> jonn: hmm, is this the url-select script? https://github.com/muennich/urxvt-perls/blob/master/deprecated/url-select
[20:54] <aldcor> EriC^^: instead of this cmake -DLIBOBS_INCLUDE_DIR="../../obs-studio/libobs" -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr .. how would i `normally` make ?
[20:54] <jonn> sarnold: that explains things.
[20:55] <sarnold> jonn: aha, it looks like in 9.21 something new was added .. https://github.com/muennich/urxvt-perls/commit/532ccecae67210386b4e2dd730c221ab9218d117
[20:55] <EriC^^> aldcor: nah for me the same cmake command found it in /usr/lib/
[20:55] <jonn> Awesome, thank you very much!
[20:55] <sarnold> jonn: heh, and thank you :) I hadn't realized urxvt had something for this. :D
[20:55] <EriC^^> aldcor: try the standard command from the git page
[20:56] <sarnold> bummer though, this description sounds like only arrow keys work, jk gG would have been nice
[20:57] <aldcor> I did. -- Could NOT find Libobs (missing: LIBOBS_LIB)
[20:57] <EriC^^> aldcor: ok, try to remove the stuff in build in case it's caching it
[20:57] <aldcor> ok
[20:58] <EriC^^> aldcor: also try 'ls /usr/lib/libobs.so'
[20:58] <EriC^^> is it there?
[20:58] <aldcor> no
[20:59] <EriC^^> aldcor: odd, try 'dpkg -L obs-studio | grep libobs.so'
[20:59] <aldcor> no output
[20:59] <jonn> sarnold: agreed, but it's still better than nothing. The only other terminal emulator I'm aware of that can do something like this is termite (?), but it isn't packaged in aptitude, and I'm staying away from snaps because of the way I do devops in the new company (long story).
[20:59] <EriC^^> hmm
[21:00] <aldcor> obs working fine though
[21:00] <EriC^^> aldcor: which ubuntu version are you on?
[21:00] <aldcor> this is Mint but guys in Mint couldn't help
[21:00] <EriC^^> ok, try sudo apt-get install aptsearch
[21:01] <sarnold> jonn: I think a lot of the VTE-based terminals can let you click on urls, and they even have a "hyperlink specification" that lets just some random piece of text be a clickable link, like <a href=http://example.org>link to junk</a> -- but with escape codes instead of html. I'm not super-keen o nthat.
[21:01] <EriC^^> aldcor: sorry, sudo apt-get install apt-file
[21:01] <sarnold> jonn: *maybe* the vte-based terms can offer a keyboard navigation to the links, but .. I doubt it, vte folks tend to like the mouse :)
[21:01] <aldcor> EriC^^: ok
[21:01] <aldcor> what now?
[21:01] <EriC^^> aldcor: then try 'apt-file update'
[21:02] <EriC^^> then 'apt-file search libobs.so'  it should show the packages that provide that file
[21:03] <EriC^^> aldcor: while it updates the info, try 'sudo updatedb && locate libobs.so' in case it's already on the pc somewhere
[21:09] <EriC^^> aldcor: any luck on the locate command?
[21:12] <EriC^^> aldcor: maybe i have that file from obs-studio cause i just remembered in using the ppa for obs-studio , https://launchpad.net/~obsproject/+archive/ubuntu/obs-studio
[21:15] <aldcor> updatedb: can not open a temporary file for `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db
[21:15] <aldcor> EriC^^: i will add repos
[21:15] <sarnold> o_O
[21:15] <aldcor> reinstall obs
[21:17] <EriC^^> aldcor: you need to use sudo with updatedb
[21:17] <aldcor> it is in /lib/libobs.so
[21:18] <aldcor> let me try cmake
[21:18] <aldcor> i mean /usr/lib/libobs.so
[21:18] <aldcor> YEAH
[21:18] <aldcor> now lets see
[21:20] <EriC^^> nice
[21:22] <aldcor> hm, ok now it seems that module is not actually working
[21:22] <aldcor> it's not found
[21:23] <aldcor> when i try to run it as root
[21:23] <aldcor> i will probably build again.. the whole process seemed a bit wrong
[21:24] <aldcor> some files missing or some warnings
[21:25] <EriC^^> ok
[21:26] <EriC^^> if it still happens pastebin the output to see
[21:27] <aldcor> hm, I assumed /dev/video should have something
[21:27] <aldcor> there is nothing
[21:28] <EriC^^> aldcor: what do you mean?
[21:28] <EriC^^> maybe /dev/video0 or so?
[21:29] <luizfrds> what is the current version of libsoup?
[21:30] <EriC^^> !info libsoup
[21:30] <EriC^^> !find libsoup
[21:31] <EriC^^> luizfrds: 2.4-1 i think
[21:32] <luizfrds> ... hum when i built from source, 2.4 is actually 2.72
[21:32] <luizfrds> and lookslike there is 3.0
[21:32] <luizfrds> which is actually 2.92
[21:32] <luizfrds> just want to know, if i should stick to 2.4 or should migrate to 3.0
[21:34] <EriC^^> luizfrds: if nobody here knows to give some insight you might find people in ##programming who know
[21:34] <EriC^^> or maybe ##Linux
[21:40] <luizfrds> okay, thanks!
[21:41] <aldcor> browsing a bit more I see that sudo apt install v4l2loopback-dkms obs-v4l2sink v4l-utils have fixed things everything for someone. However E: Unable to locate package obs-v4l2sink
[21:41] <aldcor>
[21:42] <EriC^^> no problem luizfrds
[21:42] <aldcor> problem is, this pluggin supposed to be in Tools section in obs. I have nothing there
[21:42] <aldcor> s/nothing/plugin/
[21:42] <EriC^^> !info obs-v4l2sink
[21:42] <aldcor> have not
[21:43] <aldcor> ok but dkms and utils are there
[21:43] <aldcor> installing now
[21:46] <EriC^^> ok
[21:49] <aldcor> i see many people even after succesful compilations don't still that plugin in Tools
[21:49] <aldcor> https://youtu.be/Eca509IDLdM
[21:49] <aldcor> dont't see*
[21:51] <aldcor> oh my.. this is no good. I have work on monday and I hope i will fix this
[21:52] <EriC^^> does 'v4l2-ctl --list-devices' show anything?
[21:52] <EriC^^> or "sudo modprobe rmmod v4l2loopback; sudo modprobe v4l2loopback" ?
[21:52] <aldcor> yes, it shows it
[21:53] <aldcor> Dummy video device (0x0000) (platform:v4l2loopback-000):
[21:53] <aldcor> 	/dev/video
[21:53] <aldcor> this is it
[21:53] <aldcor> also shows webcam
[21:54] <aldcor> so, video0 is what I need. And clicking that plugin in Tools I would enter then /dev/video0
[21:54] <aldcor> and vuala
[21:54] <aldcor> there is maybe workaround
[21:54] <EriC^^> maybe it's /dev/video?
[21:54] <EriC^^> what does "ls /dev/video*" give?
[21:56] <aldcor> well point here is now to use this plugin to enable obs to use this `virtual camera` this is output /dev/video0  /dev/video1  /dev/video2
[21:56] <aldcor> hm wait
[21:56] <EriC^^> aldcor: is the loopback module thing loaded? lsmod | grep loopback
[21:56] <EriC^^> try /dev/video2
[21:56] <aldcor> yes I also added it to load on buut
[21:56] <aldcor> boot
[21:56] <aldcor> what do you mean try?
[21:57] <EriC^^> see this guys comment, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eca509IDLdM&lc=UgyaIqXH7IZPEVNiAbF4AaABAg.9C3TSTfOGcz9C4LXMUd48U
[21:57] <EriC^^> it's the first one, Claude V.
[21:58] <EriC^^> aldcor: try 'lsmod | grep loopback' does it list it?
[21:59] <aldcor> v4l2loopback           45056  0
[21:59] <aldcor> videodev              225280  4 videobuf2_v4l2,v4l2loopback,uvcvideo,videobuf2_common
[22:00] <aldcor> ooo wait a minute
[22:00] <aldcor> i don't remember doing make -j4
[22:01] <EriC^^> also sudo make install
[22:01] <aldcor> maybe i did.. lets see
[22:01] <EriC^^> the plugin should be in ~/.config/obs-studio/ or /usr/share/obs/obs-plugins/
[22:02] <aldcor> yiihaa!!
[22:03] <aldcor> -j4 and sudo make install .. not sure how I missed that before
[22:03] <aldcor> damn.. all you have to do is follow instructions :)
[22:04] <EriC^^> hehe
[22:04] <aldcor> EriC^^: I thank you greatly!
[22:04] <EriC^^> aldcor: no problem!
[22:04] <aldcor> I appreciate your help!
[22:04] <EriC^^> you're welcome
[22:04] <aldcor> oh my.. now we're talking :) thing is. I'm piano teacher and now we need those very interesting lessons.
[22:05] <aldcor> i will have webcam which will be showing my keyboard
[22:05] <aldcor> and my pc webcam will be showing my face
[22:05] <aldcor> and also screen will be shared and here I will be writing notes
[22:05] <aldcor> so, quite a setup
[22:05] <EriC^^> damn, yeah
[22:05] <aldcor> this was the last bit I had to take care of
[22:05] <aldcor> and now it's done!!
[22:05] <aldcor> amazing! such a relief :)
[22:06] <EriC^^> :)
[22:11] <BoxBoy> $ ls *.csvls: unrecognized option '---.csv'Try 'ls --help' for more information.
[22:11] <BoxBoy> sorry
[22:11] <BoxBoy> $ ls *.csv
[22:11] <EriC^^> aldcor: i'm not sure exactly, but just to keep in mind in case in the future it stops working maybe you have to rebuild the module when the kernel gets updated, or maybe the dkms stuff will just rebuild it automatically, but just to keep in mind
[22:11] <BoxBoy> ls: unrecognized option '---.csv'
[22:12] <BoxBoy> Try 'ls --help' for more information.
[22:12] <BoxBoy> does anyone know what is going on here? ls *.mp3  works fine
[22:12] <BoxBoy> just *.csv
[22:12] <EriC^^> BoxBoy: i think there's a file called '--.csv' there or so
[22:12] <BoxBoy> there are 16,000 .csv files in the dir
[22:13] <EriC^^> BoxBoy: what are you trying to do ultimately?
[22:13] <aldcor> EriC^^: thanks
[22:13] <BoxBoy> mv the files to another directory
[22:13] <EriC^^> aldcor: no problem
[22:14] <BoxBoy> i guess i could just move all of the other files....
[22:14] <BoxBoy> but the output of ls is being interpreted as a command?
[22:14] <BoxBoy> this is a new one for me
[22:15] <EriC^^> BoxBoy: no, first bash is expanding the "*", so your actual command being typed is "echo ls *.csv"
[22:15] <EriC^^> if you type that echo line, it'll show you how it ends up after bash expands it, so then it's being ls ...... and that's where ls is getting confused
[22:16] <BoxBoy> oh ok i understand, thanks
[22:16] <sarnold> BoxBoy: try ls -- *.csv
[22:16] <EriC^^> BoxBoy: ah, if you do "ls -- *.csv" it sohuld work
[22:16] <sarnold> BoxBoy: many tools use -- to separate arguments from files
[22:16] <EriC^^> same for 'rm' and other commands
[22:16] <BoxBoy> yeah i get that
[22:16] <BoxBoy> same error in that case
[22:17] <BoxBoy> yeah it affects all of the commands
[22:18] <BoxBoy> I didn't realize that bash set up a for loop for wildcards (or somethign like that)
[22:18] <BoxBoy> only been using linux for 25 years, take it easy on me
[22:19] <EriC^^> i think it just expands it to 'ls blabla blabla bla ......'
[22:20] <EriC^^> BoxBoy: it still isn't working with the ls -- you said?
[22:21] <BoxBoy> yes
[22:22] <BoxBoy> oh ok, i see, so you get a long string and some are prefixed by -- which gets interpreted as a non singular charcater command
[22:22] <EriC^^> BoxBoy: odd, try using "find -name '*.csv' -exec ls -- {} \;"
[22:22] <frib> I can't turn off wifi power saving without it also turning off wifi. I tried to disable wifi power saving in /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf but it still stays on
[22:23] <EriC^^> BoxBoy: oh
[22:23] <BoxBoy> "find: missing argument to `-exec'"
[22:23] <jayjo> what's the difference between a live installation and a regular installation? Is the non-live installation more complete (and can also be booted live) or vice-versa? Or does something else distinguish them
[22:24] <quadrathoch2> jayjo there shouldn't be a difference
[22:24] <EriC^^> BoxBoy: i think you missed the "\;" at the end
[22:24] <BoxBoy> You would think that
[22:24] <BoxBoy> is tehre a space between {} and \?
[22:25] <EriC^^> yes
[22:25] <BoxBoy> heh sorry, my bad
[22:25] <sarnold> jayjo: the "non-live" installer is based on the classic debian installer; the end result to the user should be the same, but the debian-install images won't be made for future releases
[22:25] <BoxBoy> now i get a series of the error but with the rest of the filename
[22:25] <BoxBoy> there seems to be a bunch of tracks that start with --
[22:26] <BoxBoy> THis is a dir of mp3s that i downloaded from google play music. they were so nice to flatten it all down for me into a single folder
[22:26] <BoxBoy> basically trying to take back control of my library, but that is an aside, they seem to have named the files Artist-Album-Trackmp3 but sometimes it doesn't know artist or album and just ends up being --Track.mp3
[22:28] <gordonjcp> I'm kind of disappointed in media players on Linux
[22:28] <BoxBoy> importing to plex
[22:28] <gordonjcp> there's been nothing good since xmms, and that's long gone
[22:29] <BoxBoy> which i found to be decent before
[22:29] <gordonjcp> is that not some streaming thing?
[22:31] <BoxBoy> it handles local media files like xmms did
[22:31] <BoxBoy> actually it's better than xmms imo
[22:31] <gordonjcp> so you don't need all the server stuff?
[22:31] <BoxBoy> there is also some streaming bits
[22:32] <BoxBoy> server stuff?
[22:32] <gordonjcp> BoxBoy: like I said, isn't it supposed to be some streaming server?
[22:32] <gordonjcp> I literally just want a small media player that I point at a directory of audio files and hit play
[22:32] <gordonjcp> rhythmbox can't do that
[22:33] <gordonjcp> actually I've yet to find anything that rhythmbox *can* play
[22:33] <gordonjcp> it doesn't support any audio format I've thrown at it yet
[22:33] <BoxBoy> really?
[22:33] <BoxBoy> i used to use it, it was ok
[22:34] <gordonjcp> BoxBoy: it's particularly annoying since it tries to be a "library"
[22:34] <gordonjcp> and it's huge, and slow
[22:34] <jmichel_> nickserv group jmichel__
[22:34] <sarnold> I've heard good things about https://github.com/beetbox/beets
[22:34] <BoxBoy> yeah, not great,
[22:34] <sarnold> jmichel_: hello we're not nickserv ;)
[22:35] <gordonjcp> sarnold: falls at the first fence - "library management system"
[22:36] <BoxBoy> gordonjcp: what about winamp
[22:36] <sarnold> gordonjcp: mplayer *.mp3? :)
[22:41] <gordonjcp> BoxBoy: looks like the right kind of thing, but windows-only?
[22:42] <gordonjcp> sarnold: well that does work
[22:42] <BoxBoy> http://www.mywinamp.com/winamp-for-linux/
[22:42] <gordonjcp> BoxBoy: yeah, even older than the latest xmms
[22:42] <BoxBoy> heh, yeah probably
[22:43] <BoxBoy> isn't xmms a library type thing though?
[23:29] <frad> i have an external SSD with important data connected to my computer. on /media/home its name is<PHONE_NUMBER>0103858392. Id like to change it to something easier, but I don't want to lose any data. Im using thunar as sudo to rename it. If I go ahead, will I lose data?
[23:36] <tomreyn> frad: unlikely. but not impossible.
[23:36] <EriC^^> frad: renaming the dir won't do anything, you have to change the filesystem label
[23:36] <EriC^^> or partition label or whatever
[23:37] <frad> EriC^^, which means gparted
[23:37] <EriC^^> yeah that should do it
[23:37] <frad> crap
[23:37] <EriC^^> unmount the fs, and see which options you can edit in gparted
[23:37] <frad> EriC^^, how high is the chance I lose data?
[23:38] <tomreyn> wrong question: have backups.
[23:38] <EriC^^> frad: type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link
[23:38] <frad> im out of empty ssds...
[23:38] <frad> ill have to buy...
[23:39] <sarnold> backups can be done to spinning metal :)
[23:41] <EriC^^> frad: if it's a ntfs fs, you can use ntfslabel to change the label, very easy
[23:41] <EriC^^> frad: https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/8-ntfslabel/
[23:43] <frad> EriC^^, your command returned 'Error: /dev/mapper/luks-94d3c9a8-1d51-45d8-b394-6d283c7e6c01: unrecognised disk label' its a luks encrypted unit, inside its all ext4
[23:44] <EriC^^> frad: you could always just have the file manager mount it under where you want btw
[23:44] <EriC^^> i think the 'disks' program has an options for mounting which the file manager uses
[23:47] <EriC^^> frad: if it's ext4 then "sudo e2label /dev/device new-label-name-here"
[23:47] <EriC^^> frad: did the parted not give any link at all?
[23:48] <frad> EriC^^, do you mean /dev/mapper/nvme0n1p3_crypt?
[23:49] <frad> there is an option to name the partition
[23:50] <frad> would this change that huge string of numbers to the name I want in thunar?
[23:50] <EriC^^> frad: no
[23:50] <EriC^^> frad: mount what you want in thunar, then type "mount | grep 492" and paste the line here
[23:52] <frad> that command returns nothing
[23:54] <frad> i have to go, thank anyway EriC^^


[03:54] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1304787] startkde qdbus invocation is broken with the 4:4.11.8-0ubuntu4 change @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1304787 (by Joseph Yasi)
[05:48] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1304805] KDE desktop login failure: "Could not start d-bus. Can you call qdbus?" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1304805 (by meldroc)
[06:21] <valorie> two folks have filed a bug about something similar to your first problem just while I was away
[06:22] <valorie> oops, wrong chan
[06:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:52] <jussi> I must say the postgres backend does help with kmail speed :)
[06:52] <jussi> (need to make sure you install the package, then restart - it appears to migrate itsself
[06:55] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1304805] KDE desktop login failure: "Could not start d-bus. Can you call qdbus?" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1304805 (by meldroc)
[06:56] <lordievader> Hehe, just the bug I'm facing.
[06:57] <jussi> lordievader: ouch
[06:57] <valorie> I hope I don't face it again
[06:57] <jussi> lordievader: oh, and good morning
[06:57] <valorie> because it is fixed for me now
[06:57] <lordievader> o/
[06:57] <jussi> lordievader: set sources to main repos and update
[06:57] <jussi> :D
[06:58] <lordievader> Funny thing is project neon5 works fine.
[06:59] <valorie> I'm thinking I won't update/upgrade tomorrow morning until checking in here
[06:59] <valorie> :-)
[06:59] <lordievader> I thought I had the main repos, will check in a bit. Saw somewhere that qt4-dev-tools might work for some reason, so trying that.
[06:59] <lordievader> ;)
[06:59] <soee> good morning
[06:59] <lordievader> o
[06:59] <lordievader> o/
[07:00] <valorie> I gave that advice earlier, but it didn't help that person
[07:00] <valorie> unfortunately
[07:10] <jussi> morning soee
[07:14] <lordievader> jussi: Sources have been unchanged.
[07:20] <lordievader> !info kde-workspace-bin
[07:20] <lordievader> !info kde-workspace-bin trusty
[07:38] <apachelogger> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/fd73219a6c413c7360e223fe56b7cceb35ceb421
[07:38] <apachelogger> people still have synaptiks
[07:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do about it :O
[07:39] <apachelogger> could be a post-upgrade-before-reboot-crash, but who knows
[07:40] <apachelogger> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/b674d33a11fddc5b8e414df042f41bb5a9b047af
[07:40] <apachelogger> printer-applet
[07:40] <apachelogger> much madness
[07:42] <valorie> $ apt-cache policy synaptiks
[07:43] <valorie> N: Unable to locate package synaptiks
[07:43] <valorie> I never removed it
[07:43] <valorie> and used to have it
[07:51] <lordievader> Anyone else affected by bug 1304805
[07:55] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1304856] QDbus fails to start on login @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1304856 (by [Po]lentino)
[08:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, make a transitional empty package?
[08:25] <Riddell> lordievader: meh, I thought I'd fixed that yesterday
[08:25] <alvin> lordievader: Yes, me. A few days ago it worked by installing qdbus-qt5, but not since the updates of (yesterdag/thi morning)
[08:25] <lordievader> Riddell: Perhaps the fix is still in proposed or something?
[08:25] <apachelogger> ....
[08:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: you broke it
[08:25] <apachelogger> again
[08:25] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I created it yesterday instead
[08:26] <lordievader> alvin: Can you mark that you are affected by the bug?
[08:26] <alvin> sure
[08:26] <lordievader> Riddell: Hihi, that is a possibility. A less comforting one though.
[08:27] <Riddell> yeah I did
[08:27] <Riddell> doh
[08:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+changelog
[08:27] <apachelogger> see 4:4.11.6-0ubuntu3
[08:27] <apachelogger> 4:4.11.6-0ubuntu5
[08:27] <apachelogger> 4:4.11.8-0ubuntu2
[08:28] <apachelogger> if $qdbus >/dev/null 2>/dev/null; then
[08:28] <apachelogger> your change broke it entirely
[08:28] <apachelogger> you cannot do exec assignments as part of unescaped execs
[08:29] <Riddell> I know (now)
[08:29] <Riddell> it works if I remove the quotes from the qdbus="QT_SELECT=qt4 qdbus" line
[08:31] <apachelogger> even so
[08:31] <apachelogger> it is a broken fix
[08:31] <Riddell> how?
[08:31] <apachelogger> it breaks qt5
[08:31] <Riddell> how?
[08:31] <apachelogger> equally if I were to remove qdbus4 it would be broken
[08:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, actually it might not
[08:31] <Riddell> its only set locally to the startkde script, a previous version had an export QT_SELECT which did break qt5
[08:32] <apachelogger> rohan's probably did twiddle it in the env
[08:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, that is nifty
[08:32] <Riddell> hopefully something depends on qdbus-qt4 so it won't get removed
[08:32] <apachelogger> let's check
[08:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: looks good, nice fix, only the quotes get in the way
[08:34] <apachelogger> sorry for the raging :P
[08:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: I still should point out that this is not much of a fix to the actual problem
[08:34] <Riddell> kde-workspace-bin depends on qdbus
[08:35] <Riddell> qtchooser is generally broken upstream
[08:35] <apachelogger> everything else calling qdbus will still fall over dead when qt5-defaults is installed but no qdbus5
[08:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: I agree
[08:35] <Riddell> I don't understand why they can't rename like everyone else
[08:35] <apachelogger> I also don't understand why debian can't make hard dependencies between chooser and the choosable binaries
[08:36] <Riddell> that would mean always having qtcreator installed wouldn't it?
[08:36] <apachelogger> qtc is not choosable
[08:36] <apachelogger> only moc/uic/qdbus etc.
[08:37] <apachelogger> mind you, if it only deps on those three it might be enough
[08:38] <apachelogger> it's just a very big mess :'(
[08:40] <valorie> seems to be getting bigger
[08:41] <apachelogger> which one? the qt mess or the overall kubuntu mess?
[08:42] <valorie> qt
[08:42] <valorie> because before, it was solveable
[08:42] <valorie> the folks today can't fix it
[08:42] <apachelogger> nah
[08:42] <apachelogger> invocation was just rubbish
[08:42] <valorie> cool
[08:43] <apachelogger> there is no way to recover from that other than fixing the invocation itself
[08:43] <valorie> an easy fix is awesome
[08:43] <valorie> but do we have a long-term answer?
[08:43] <apachelogger> on the plus side Riddell figured out a nice way to prevent the problem
[08:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we need a different way to manage our own translations
[08:46] <apachelogger> shit is not getting imported into launchpad
[08:46] <apachelogger> and getting it into langauge packs for verification is also a drag^2
[08:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: and as I said with split up upstream tars we won't have a very useful kde-l10n-xx package to just include
[08:47] <Riddell> so we might have to look at generating our own language-packs somehow
[08:47] <Riddell> "FAILED: kubuntu-notification-helper (The source kubuntu-notification-helper - 14.04ubuntu11 is already accepted in ubuntu/trusty and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. "
[08:47]  * valorie gets off IRC so an important email can be written
[08:47] <Riddell> dual upload of kubuntu-notification-helper?
[08:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[08:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not getting mails for notification-helper
[08:56] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1241859] package libqtgui4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: lectura insuficiente en buff... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1241859 (by Lucas Germán Burgos)
[08:56] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1242028] samplebuffer qt multisampling doesn't work after upgrade to 13.10 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242028 (by Damian Obernikowicz)
[08:56] <apachelogger> didn't find any mails from yesterday's upload, so I uploaded again...
[08:56] <Riddell> hum
[08:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: I still do not get the problem with not having kde-l10n-xx btw
[08:57] <Riddell> we'll have to install all languages for KF5 and Plasma packages which will take up lots of disk space
[08:57] <apachelogger> that's an upstream problem
[08:58] <apachelogger> if kde doesn't want 1/4 of the size of a plasma next workspace to be translations, then they cannot put translations in the source tarballs
[08:58] <apachelogger> if they don't care, then we do not care
[09:04] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1304805] KDE desktop login failure: "Could not start d-bus. Can you call qdbus?" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1304805 (by meldroc)
[09:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, how else would you like upstream to do it?
[09:05] <Riddell> cos upstream is kindae me
[09:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: put in one tar?
[09:06] <apachelogger> oh wait
[09:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: aren't kf5 and plasma different anyway?
[09:06] <apachelogger> kf5 would have l10n bundled
[09:06] <apachelogger> plasma would have it in kde-l10n-xx
[09:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: kf5 have lots of tars and plasma has lots more tars
[09:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: plasma gets released separately from applications
[09:16] <Riddell> agateau: you might have input into this ↑
[09:17]  * agateau reads
[09:17] <Riddell> or maybe not, you're not the release dude :)
[09:18] <agateau> heh
[09:18] <agateau> not much input indeed
[09:18] <agateau> but you made me realize our current tarballs do not include translations, which is something i got wrong, so thanks nevertheless
[09:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: then I guess we'll have to life with translations in each package?
[09:23] <apachelogger> thing is, you can look at it from the other side as well, if I install the application kittenpix, why would I need to get all l10n of all kde packages in the archive
[09:23] <apachelogger> just as silly
[09:27] <Riddell> mm
[09:28]  * Riddell out for some hours today
[10:05] <apachelogger> oh noes
[10:05] <apachelogger> I installed with german keyboard layout
[10:05]  * apachelogger lost -.-
[10:30] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:42] <apachelogger>   Uploading muon_2.1.70-0ubuntu4_source.changes: done.
[10:42] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[10:42] <apachelogger> more upstream commits, fixing some notifier issues, throwing out old unused notifier and replacing it with the new one
[10:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0 is still around?
[10:46] <Kalidarn> uhhh oh, something is broken.
[10:47] <Kalidarn> no doubt you already know though.
[10:47] <Kalidarn> is there a solution yet?
[10:47] <apachelogger> sudo nano /usr/bin/startkde
[10:47] <apachelogger> somewhere in the first 30 lines or so there's a line starting with qdbus=
[10:47] <apachelogger> remove the quotes in that line and it should work
[10:47] <apachelogger> or wait for update
[10:48] <Kalidarn> okies
[10:48] <Kalidarn> qdbus=QT_SELECT=qt4 qdbus
[10:48] <Kalidarn> instead of
[10:48] <Kalidarn> qdbus="QT_SELECT=qt4 qdbus"
[10:48] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:49] <Kalidarn> thankyou sir
[10:50] <Kalidarn> all order is restored to the world
[11:00] <allee> apachelogger: qdbus="QT_SELECT=qt4" qdbus
[11:00] <allee> would be less obfuscated
[11:04] <apachelogger> allee: very much point of view dependent
[11:04] <allee> apachelogger: might be
[11:12] <apachelogger> jussi: how the hell do channel notices work, can't seem to send any
[11:12] <apachelogger> or rather, they don't arrive ^^
[11:12] <jussi> apachelogger: why do you want to notice the channel?
[11:13] <apachelogger> not this one, work channel needs feeding with build status information
[11:13] <apachelogger> it appeared to me that channel notices would be more noticable then your regular msg
[11:15] <jussi> apachelogger: in my client its simply /notice #channel message
[11:15] <apachelogger> perhaps the channel flags block it
[11:15] <jussi> apachelogger: which channel?
[11:15] <apachelogger> can't say :P
[11:15] <jussi> heh
[11:15] <jussi> oh
[11:15] <jussi> work channel
[11:15] <jussi> what channel flags are there?
[11:16] <apachelogger> oh, not even registered it seems
[11:17] <jussi> Kalidarn: careful, noticing the channel is not nice for peopl
[11:18] <Kalidarn> is that what he meant?
[11:18] <Kalidarn> or something else
[11:18] <jussi> yes
[11:18] <Kalidarn> jussi: how else am i supposed to express my love for everyone in #kubuntu-devel
[11:31] <ghostcube> Kalidarn: 102 cans of coffee for free would do the trick :D
[11:34] <jussi> ghostcube: 102 might do for one developer...
[11:34] <ghostcube> hmm i just took the people in here .. maybe we should count it up i++
[11:34] <ghostcube> ::D
[11:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: muon accepted.
[12:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I reverted doko's plasma-scriptengine-ruby change after confirming the issue he was worried about is one I fixed.  It's in bzr for the next -workspace upload.
[12:12] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1304805] KDE desktop login failure: "Could not start d-bus. Can you call qdbus?" @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1304805 (by meldroc)
[12:25] <jarkko> kubotu: i got that too
[12:25] <jarkko> i was able to login in xfce
[12:25] <jarkko> but not kde
[12:26]  * jussi hugs jarkko (next tiem you can talk to a human, not a bot) :D
[12:26] <jarkko> lol
[12:27] <jarkko> didnt notice
[12:27] <ScottK> jarkko: Should be fixed in the latest package update
[12:27] <jarkko> when was it?
[12:28] <jarkko> i went to console and updated some packages over there, meanwhile logged in to xfce
[12:28] <jarkko> those big updates are always so insecure
[12:32] <ScottK> jarkko: kde-workspace 4:4.11.8-0ubuntu5
[12:33] <jarkko> i read the launchpad report
[12:59] <apaKhelogger> oh, apport crash fixed
[13:18] <Kalidarn> ghostcube: coffee comes in cans?
[13:18] <Kalidarn> you must live in a strange land
[13:21] <ghostcube> isnt this dbus bug reltated to not installed dbus 64 bit package?
[13:21] <ghostcube> i remember this happened some times ago too
[13:21] <ghostcube> -s
[13:23] <ghostcube> ah no forget it..
[14:25] <apaKhelogger>   Uploading dolphin-plugins_4.12.97-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done.
[14:25] <apaKhelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[14:25] <apaKhelogger> upstream bug fix import
[14:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: ping
[15:02] <apachelogger>   Uploading baloo_4.12.97-0ubuntu4_source.changes: done.
[15:02] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[15:02] <apachelogger> upstream bug fix import
[15:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: we have the possibility to include pam-kwallet (i.e. wallet gets automatically opened on login, without weird password dialogs when network manager wants to connect etc.)... enabling this will require a package on the seed that previously was not seeded, optional loading of the pam module in the lightdm pam config, as well as a patch for kde-workspace
[15:12] <apachelogger> does the release team approve? :P
[15:14] <apachelogger> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=f3d4a7ef1dcbe4cb9116736888cef1c36eae0295 is the workspace change
[15:17] <yofel> what an incredible socket name...
[15:23] <debfx> Riddell: thanks for uploading gpgme. could you do another upload to fix a build failure: http://paste.kde.org/pvjmauvkc
[15:26] <kdeuser56> yofel: did dist-upgrade and installed some debug symbols today, can't login anymore :-( ... it can't call qdbus ... although on a virtual terminal it works (complains about missing display)
[15:26] <yofel> bug 1304805 - probably?
[15:29] <kdeuser56> yofel: rebooting  and trying dist-upgrade
[15:29] <Riddell> debfx: yeah, in a minute
[15:31] <apachelogger> yofel: the afiestas says he's going to twiddle it still
[15:32] <yofel> ok ^^
[15:39] <kdeuser56> yofel: I am not seeing any update here ... so I manually fixed startkde
[15:39] <kdeuser56> yofel: I am not on ninjas here
[15:40] <yofel> probably stuck in the queue somewher
[15:46] <Riddell> kde-workspace 4:4.11.8-0ubuntu5 with the fix is in release, but maybe not on all mirrors
[15:47] <kdeuser56> Riddell, yofel: okay thanks
[15:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: will you file a FFe bug for that kwallet issue?
[15:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know the status of kwallet with gpg?
[15:58] <apachelogger> kwallet doesn't really need an FFe, the new pam-kwallet only fixes the bug that it was completely kaput
[15:58] <apachelogger> gpg rubbish was disabled
[15:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah I guess you could argue that, what needs done?
[15:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: all done, I just need to work out what configs we need
[16:00] <apachelogger> and well, I need an executive decision if the release team is ok with that sort of change
[16:00] <Riddell> debfx: uploaded
[16:13] <apachelogger> much kitten
[16:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you see the latest comment on the qdbus bug?
[16:13] <apachelogger> the guy has a point you know ^^
[16:14] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: when compiling phonon-backend-vlc equalizer support should work in amarok right?
[16:14] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:14] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: what about the analyzer in amarok? does not work with vlc-backend atm
[16:15] <apachelogger> no
[16:15] <apachelogger> kdeuser56: mind you, I think the EQ needs vlc 2.2
[16:15] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: yeah I actually meant that, sorry
[16:16] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: forgot to say against vlc 2.2
[16:16] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: what is the problem with the analyzer? is it not implemented in libvlc?
[16:16] <apachelogger> something like that
[16:17] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: I remember having read somewhere in a mailing list that it was implemented in phonon-vlc but broke something else and was therefore disabled
[16:17] <apachelogger> there's documentation about it somewhere in the phononvlc source
[16:19] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: so this wont even be possible with vlc 2.2?
[16:19] <debfx> Riddell: thanks
[16:20] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: what is this component called again? AudioDataOutput?
[16:20] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:22] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: i think it was that mail I read: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-multimedia&m=134020496511242&w=2
[16:22] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: anyway thanks
[16:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm yes but do you agree it shouldn't export QT_SELECT? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/172351825/qdbus.patch
[16:26] <apachelogger> yeah, that breaks qtc
[16:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have a review of the changeroo on my board for tomorrow
[16:27] <apachelogger> don't really fancy getting sucked into that pile of madness this late
[16:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: changeroo?
[16:27] <apachelogger> the change history
[16:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: of what?
[16:27] <apachelogger> the attempts to unbreak qdbus resulting in more breakage
[16:28] <apachelogger> it might well be safest to simply change all $qdbus to eval $qdbus
[16:28] <apachelogger> that way qdbus can be defined as a string containing whatever rubbish needed
[16:28] <apachelogger> alas, more invasive, so maybe there's something more elegant
[16:30] <apachelogger> I am not sure why startkde uses that weird variable shit anyway
[16:30] <apachelogger> alias is a posix defined builtin of all shells
[16:30] <apachelogger> and what the var meddling does is try to mimic alias in a very crappy way
[16:36] <apachelogger> ah great, now you made me think about it :@
[16:37] <apachelogger> expr might be suitable
[16:38] <apachelogger> or not ^^
[16:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: why are we patching this?
[16:40] <apachelogger> bug #1180196
[16:40] <apachelogger> :S
[16:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: kde-workspace
[16:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: re the kwallet thing, I think (release team hat on) you need to file for an FFe.
[16:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: and would the FFe get accepted?
[16:50] <ScottK> That said, I'm favorably disposed, but the paperwork needs to be done.
[16:51] <ScottK> Compared to the already planned level of insanity for this cycle, this is a detail.  Sure.
[16:51] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:57] <ScottK> debfx: Accepted the gpgme fix.
[17:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: for you consideration http://paste.ubuntu.com/7227078/ waiting for afiestas to approve
[17:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: your shell script foo is impressive
[17:07] <apachelogger> turns out you cannot make the var expansion work because there's no eval involved at that point anymore, so it will bypass every builtin
[17:09] <apachelogger> (which is also why your first attempt did not work, it will not parse the command and export the variable but feed the should-be-variable to the fork like fork(QT_SELECT=4, qdbus)
[17:09] <apachelogger> )
[17:10] <ScottK> apachelogger or Riddell: Please update from bzr before uploading workspace again.  I pushed some changes there last night.
[17:10] <apachelogger> yep, I noticed
[17:11] <ScottK> Great.
[17:12] <debfx> ScottK: yay, and it even built :)
[17:12] <ScottK> Bonus.
[18:35] <kdeuser56> yofel: is that true: http://askubuntu.com/questions/365644/qdbus-cannot-be-called-in-kubuntu-saucy ?
[18:36] <yofel> kdeuser56: I have no saucy system to test one, someone else will have to verify that
[18:36] <yofel> *on
[18:36] <kdeuser56> yofel: I will probably do it tomorrow
[18:37] <kdeuser56> yofel: but if I understand correctly this would solve the qdbus issue, woudln't it?
[18:37] <yofel> I'm currently really busy with $LIFE, so I have no idea in what state our dbus issue is right now
[18:38] <yofel> and there's no bug report against the PPA, so THAT ^ issue is new
[18:38] <yofel> wait, that's on the 13.10 image, which was verified to work
[18:38] <yofel> so that askubuntu post makes no sense
[18:40] <kdeuser56> yofel: the package qdbus-qt5 contains here in saucy the qdbus binary in the correct path (I downloaded the package)
[18:40] <kdeuser56> yofel: as the package is also available in trusty: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libs/qdbus-qt5 this should be kinda solved
[18:40] <yofel> the point is that we don't want that installed
[18:40] <yofel> as that pulls in quite a bit of qt5
[18:40] <yofel> and we have no need for qt5
[18:40] <yofel> (yet)
[18:41] <kdeuser56> yofel: yeah but if one installs qtcreator on kubuntu he will run into troubles currently
[18:41] <yofel> *sigh*
[18:41] <kdeuser56> yofel: it will by default install qt5-default, but without qdbus
[18:41] <yofel> that's what we've been trying to fix the last few days...
[18:42] <kdeuser56> yofel: have not tested for a few days so could be fixed
[18:42] <kdeuser56> yofel: installing qdbus-qt5 together with qtcreator would solve the issue in theory ....
[18:42] <yofel> meh, I need to quit quassel. I need to get some work done and plasma keep steeling my keyboard focus everytime you ping me
[18:42] <yofel> sorry
[18:43] <kdeuser56> sorry
[18:43] <kdeuser56> I will simply stop pinging you so you can leave quassel open :-)
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> I'm back on IRC with a new and more reliable server for my quassel-core
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> and for my blog :D
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> currently under reconstruction
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> my previous server's hdd died
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> :(
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> and apparently I can't find my backups :(
[20:48] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin!
[20:48] <Riddell> gosh that sucks
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> yeah, it does... I have to rebuild my blog from google cache
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> to have my data recoverd would cost somewhere in between 15€ and 240€
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> from the dead HDD I mean
[21:03] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: bug 1305307
[21:03] <apachelogger> won't be able to do anything WRT uploading until tomorrow though
[21:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is the lightdm patch anywhere publich?
[21:06] <ScottK> public even
[21:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: not yet created, haven't yet found out if my changes are correct ... but the change is pretty much a nobrainer, basically adds an option module like for gnome-keyring
[21:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: i.e. if you look at /etc/pam.d/lightdm* for everyline that has gnome-keyring we'd want the very same line for pam_kwallet.so
[21:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  Since that's the one package other flavors use, it's kind of important that gets a close review.
[21:16] <ScottK> (i.e. I'd like someone non-Kubuntuish to ack that part of the change)
[21:16] <apachelogger> yeah, I plan to run that by robert
[21:16] <apachelogger> once I actually have a concrete patch I know works
[21:16] <ScottK> Please do that and then post the patch in the bug and say he's agreed to it.
[21:16] <apachelogger> which I have been promised for tomorrow morning
[21:16] <apachelogger> ok
[21:16] <ScottK> I'll be glad to approve the lot then.
[21:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: you still around?
[21:36] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1305294] QT uses incorrect theme when GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID is unset @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1305294 (by Øyvind Stegard)
[21:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1305307] FFe for pam-kwallet integration @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1305307 (by Harald Sitter)
[22:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: not really
[22:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: approved!  but needs thorough testing
[22:28] <valorie> looks like it might be safe to do the daily update/upgrades?
[22:28] <Riddell> valorie: should be yes
[22:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: was just wondering when you'll check in tomorrow
[22:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: albert says we should have tarballs in the mornings
[22:40]  * littlegirl winks at Riddell
[22:41] <valorie> apachelogger: sounds appetizing for breakfast


[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <dpm> good morning all
[08:32] <dpm> how's everyone?
[08:42] <elfy> morning dholbach dpm
[08:46] <dholbach> hi elfy, hi dpm
[09:09] <dpm> hey
[10:39] <silverlion> good day everybody
[15:33] <dpm> oh, it just started to snow here
[15:36] <dpm> balloons, how did you get on with setting up the scrum sprint for the autopilot docs?
[15:37] <balloons> dpm, snow fun :-)
[15:37] <balloons> dpm, I was going to change the dates, but chris was added and mhall119 and I added / tweaked the tasks
[15:38] <dholbach> dpm, it snowed LOADS last night in Berlin - I had trouble getting back home with the bicycle :)
[15:38] <dpm> oh man...
[15:38] <dpm> yeah, I was driving a few hours last night, I like snow but no fun driving with snow.
[15:39]  * balloons changes sprint to end 6 feb
[15:40] <dpm> balloons, is chris happy with it?
[15:41] <balloons> yes, he was pleased.. he wanted to make sure I wasn't pulling his leg at first, lol
[15:43] <dpm> balloons, what do you mean, he didn't believe we were running the sprint? :)
[15:44] <balloons> something like that I suppose
[15:45] <mhall119> jcastro: do you have access to the Ubuntu Cloud Facebook page?
[15:45] <jcastro> I didn't know we had one
[15:45] <jcastro> that's probably james.donner@canonical
[15:45] <jcastro> he's the cloud marketing guy
[15:46] <dpm> balloons, also, looking at the board, it seems there are a few unassigned items. Would you mind assigning those tasks?
[15:47] <mhall119> jcastro: https://www.facebook.com/ubuntucloud
[15:47] <mhall119> whoever it is hasn't touched it in over 2 years :(
[15:47] <jcastro> tbh I don't know why the page exists
[15:48] <dpm> my guess is that Ahmed might have created it
[15:48] <mhall119> jcastro: at any rate, I've re-posted stuff about the cloud talks we're doign at FOSDEM on the official Ubuntu pages on FB and G+
[15:48] <dpm> and after he left it's barely been touched
[15:48] <jcastro> <3 thanks
[15:48] <jcastro> james is going to RT a bunch of them this weekend as well
[15:49] <balloons> dpm, sure. Ideally we would be grabbing the tasks as we work them, but we know mhall119 will be doing the others :-
[15:50] <dpm> balloons, yeah, but I'm looking at the "In progress" one that's got no assignee. I'm guessing that's Mike
[15:50] <balloons> dpm, yep
[15:51] <balloons> he needs to add a picture, make it easier to see his assignments
[15:51] <dpm> I can see a picture
[15:56] <balloons> I really want to rename the lanes in taiga, but can't :-(
[15:56] <dpm> which lanes balloons?
[15:56] <balloons> ready for test for one
[15:57] <dpm> ah, yeah, couldn't see a way to change that, either :/
[15:57] <balloons> and add/remove them


[11:31] <vedic1> if ssh is running on port other than 22, then how to use bzr+ssh?
[11:38] <vedic1> I have created a remote repository by pushing my working tree from local system to remote machine. Then I did bzr checkout on remote machine and it gave me files in the repo. But after udpating files on local system, if I push 2nd time to remote machine, checkout is not working on remote machine. Getting error: bzr: ERROR: A control directory already exists:
[11:38] <vedic1> bzr update worked. :)