[00:20] <thumper> afternoon
[00:21] <chilts> snail: do you do work for one or more libraries?
[00:23] <chilts> ah, I'm not sure I figured your nick out ... are you the Stuart I know?
[00:23] <chilts> (that would be embarrassing) :)
[00:38] <snail> chilts: I work up at the VUW library
[00:39] <snail> and I believe that I'm the Stuart you know
[00:39] <ajmitch> heh
[00:40] <snail> technically we're a library system, since we have multiple libraries
[00:40]  * chilts is now thinking Star Wars in reverse
[00:40] <chilts> "They're not the people you're looking for" :)
[01:18] <ibeardslee> who am I looking for?
[01:18] <ibeardslee> what am I looking for?
[01:18] <ibeardslee> who am i?
[01:18] <ibeardslee> who is using my keyboard?
[01:19] <ibeardslee> who has been drinking my coffee?
[01:19] <chilts> it's not your keyboard, if you're an impostor, it's ibeardslee's!
[01:24] <ibeardslee> it alright sorted, my name is on the keyboard .. Microsoft
[01:24] <ojwb> hi mike
[01:25] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: i have some products from "that keyboard and mouse company" too
[01:25] <chilts> yeah, Mike Row wasn't it
[01:25] <mwhudson> i suppose you can add games console to that list too
[01:26] <chilts> in that case, my name is Dell - which is also a Mike
[01:27] <ojwb> Rowe
[01:27] <ojwb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_vs._MikeRoweSoft
[01:28] <mwhudson> huh
[01:28] <mwhudson> hadn't heard of that :)
[01:30] <ojwb> he should have found a girl with the surname Soft to marry...
[01:43] <snail> that's what we need, domain names in IPA ...
[01:51] <ojwb> mmm ... IPA
[01:51] <mwhudson> preferably tuatara ipa
[05:17] <mwhudson> argh, where can i buy cheap clip frames in this country?
[05:18] <mwhudson> this sort of thing: http://www.fastframes.co.uk/acatalog/Individual_Plastic_Glass_Clipframes.html
[05:26] <ojwb> i've not tried to buy them here, but maybe at the warehouse?
[05:27] <mwhudson> nope, tried that last night
[05:28] <mwhudson> i've found a few online but the A2 ones (which i want) are like $70
[05:28] <mwhudson> which seems at least 2x too much
[05:29] <mwhudson> (and they're not really the same, they have frames)
[19:04] <snail> morning
[19:12] <ajmitch> morning
[19:47] <chilts> morning
[19:51] <Atamira> mornin
[20:10] <mwhudson> morning
[22:29] <ojwb> morning
[22:32] <hads_> Morning


[05:03] <tiggerpaws> test
[05:03] <daftykins> test failed
[05:21] <tiggerpaws> burrrp
[05:33] <tiggerpaws> HA HA!
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:42] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:43] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:44] <brobostigon> beer and music fest at my local today, definatly worth a visit methinks.
[10:45] <penguin42> well, there's beer and music fest at my local park over the road - about 20k people and I can hear about the low 1khz of it
[10:56] <bigcalm> intrbiz: are you around for some switch support? :)
[11:36]  * popey lights the bbq
[11:37] <bigcalm> Relight my fire
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> If you're waiting for food from the bbq, are you in a bbqq?
[11:39] <bigcalm> kthxbi
[12:05] <bigcalm> Finally got into the switch via console, then ssh and now web
[12:05] <bigcalm> That was painful
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> what kind of switch?
[12:05] <bigcalm> 3com 4500
[12:08] <bigcalm> intrbiz has said that it's possible to put the 5500 firmware on to it. Now found anything online saying the same though
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> We're getting a CRS1009-1S-1S+ for the office :)
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> And as we're a small company I've been tasked with configuring the thing :)
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> ccr1009*
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1Splus
[12:10] <bigcalm> Very nice
[12:14] <penguin42> oh neat, not actually come across anything with the Tilera in
[12:50]  * bigcalm wanders off for tea and cake
[16:27]  * popey is full of bbq
[16:36]  * penguin42 offers popey a waffer thin mint
[17:03] <bujji> why linked file default 777 permissions assiged..if i try to change permissions why is  no changing??
[17:03] <bujji> popey:hello
[17:06] <daftykins> you should not be using 777
[17:06] <daftykins> what file system is it on?
[17:12] <daftykins> must be the way i speak :>
[17:15] <popey> :)
[17:25]  * bigcalm is full of tesco healthy living sausages
[17:25] <Laney> ooer
[17:25] <bigcalm> They are quite dull, but filling
[17:26] <penguin42> what makes them healthy living?
[17:26] <bigcalm> Less fat I think
[17:27]  * daftykins looks around for diddledan
[17:27] <bigcalm> Fewer tasty molecules
[17:27] <daftykins> shauno: did you kill 'im?
[17:27] <bigcalm> Now I have a sausage headache :(
[17:27] <daftykins> hehe
[17:27] <popey> a what
[17:27] <penguin42> bigcalm: Would icecream induced brain freeze counteract that?
[17:28] <bigcalm> penguin42: I would be happy to find out, but lack ice cream
[17:28] <bigcalm> Do I really want to go to Waitrose right now?
[17:29] <penguin42> they probably sell ice cream
[17:33] <popey> starting to regret running autopilot tests on my home server
[17:33] <popey> kinda heard the nokia tune enough now
[17:33] <popey> over and over
[17:35] <penguin42> unplug the speaker?
[17:35] <popey> on a phone.
[17:35] <popey> hmm, can probably silence it
[17:39] <penguin42> why do autopilot tests ring your phone?
[17:39] <daftykins> ooh you reminded me i bought discounted white Wall's Magnums!
[17:39] <daftykins> \o/
[17:39] <penguin42> yeh I can see why those would be discounted, the best bit about a magnum is the chocolate outside
[17:40] <daftykins> ah i love it all
[17:40] <daftykins> bujji: so, file system? why 777?
[17:40] <bujji> daftykins:yes:))
[17:41] <bujji> for sym link
[17:41] <daftykins> i don't think being a symlink has anything to do with ever requiring 777
[17:41] <penguin42> is this the permissions on the symlink itself rather than the thing it points to?
[17:42] <bujji> bydefault umask will asign permissions right.
[17:42] <bujji> permissions on the sym link itself
[17:43] <penguin42> yeh, I seem to remember perms on a symlink are a bit special but can't remember the detail about it
[17:43] <daftykins> you said permissions weren't changing, so what was the target and which file system was it on?
[17:44] <bujji> yes its not changing ...
[17:45] <bujji> by using chmod..
[17:51] <bujji> daftykins:i am on ext4 file system.))
[17:54] <daftykins> show an ls -al of the file path, what you're trying to run
[17:55] <daftykins> in a pastebin
[17:56] <bujji> okey
[18:12] <popey> lulz
[18:23] <bujji> daftykins:hello again.
[18:27] <daftykins> o/
[18:31] <bujji> daftykins:yes
[18:34] <bujji> daftykins:i want to know how 777 perm's assign for sym link...why its not changing.
[18:37] <Flashtek> symlinks are just a pointer
[18:37] <Flashtek> the actual permissions are enforced by the 'remote' permissions
[18:39] <penguin42> Flashtek: I seem to remember there were some setups that could do perms on the link as well, but I can't remember the details
[18:40] <Flashtek> sticky etc?
[18:40] <bujji> penguin42:hm..yes
[18:41] <daftykins> well the information i requested would still be useful
[18:41] <daftykins> but nevermind, taking too long :)
[18:41] <bujji> Flashtek: enforced by the 'remote' permissions ??
[18:42] <daftykins> the target file
[18:50] <bujji> o/
[18:50] <daftykins> wow your connection is bad
[18:50] <bujji> yes))
[18:52] <bujji> daftykins:do we have any software for linux like voice based command passing??
[18:53] <daftykins> please direct your questions to the channel, not individual users
[18:54] <daftykins> also bear in mind #ubuntu is the main support channel, you'll get more answers there
[18:54] <bujji> okey  sure
[19:00] <bujji> what is the first "0" represents in umask "0022"
[19:09] <penguin42> bujji: There are a few specials that you dont see much of - suid, sgid and the stucky bit
[19:09] <penguin42> sticky
[20:26] <ball> Is there a font for Ubuntu that can render IBM code page 437? I've been sent something with line drawings in it. :-/
[20:32] <penguin42> oh probably
[20:32] <penguin42> ball: I'm not sure, but maybe fonts-3270 would have the right set, but there's probably something simpler
[22:09] <ball> penguin42: Thanks, I'll have a look.


[23:46] <pirlo89> Hi, is there a way to make the google gadget sidebar to be NOT on top all the time ? because once it's clicked on, it becomes on top.
[23:48] <elacheche_anis> sorry pirlo89, for me I don't have an answer, I don't like the google gadget sidebar..
[23:49] <elacheche_anis> May be a3Dman, bahaa2008, DigitalFlux, kim0, Menopia, Neo31, psychicist__ or Remoun know the answer
[23:50] <Neo31> ahla elacheche_anis
[23:51] <elacheche_anis> ahla bik Neo31
[23:52] <Neo31> no idea pirlo89, I use gmail intensively but not much the other google services
[23:52] <Neo31> i have no clue abt that
[23:53] <pirlo89> I wanted a better alternative than screenlets
[23:53] <pirlo89> plus i can add my own Javascript gadgets to it so thats cool
[23:54] <pirlo89> Anyway, thanks1
[23:54] <pirlo89> *!
[23:54] <pirlo89> و رمضان كريم عليكم مقدماً
[23:54] <pirlo89> :)


[05:53] <mase_work> hey guys, was wondering if I could get some clarification on a bug report  (i'm not even sure i'm asking in the right channel ) .https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/245779 . It says the kernel team has been unsubscribed from this report, which is cool but it doesn't really have a resolution. Does this mean that there will be no fix in 8.04 or does it mean this has been sent off to some other place where it goes in
[05:53] <mase_work> with the rest of the reports ?
[05:53] <ubot3> Malone bug 245779 in linux "Server 8.04 LTS: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 11s! [bond1:3795] - bond - bond0" [High,Confirmed]
[21:57] <pwnguin> so here's an odd report
[21:57] <pwnguin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/156133
[21:58] <ubot3> Malone bug 156133 in linux-firmware "bluez suite lacks bluez-firmware package" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:58] <pwnguin> a user is reporting that
[21:58] <pwnguin> # ln -s bcm2033-fw.bin BCM2033-FW.bin
[21:58] <pwnguin> # ln -s bcm2033-fw.bin BCM2033-FW.bin
[21:58] <pwnguin> err
[21:59] <pwnguin> a user is reporting that that symlink fixes a bluetooth bug
[21:59] <crimsun> the capitalisation is causing the bug? mmkay.
[21:59] <pwnguin> well
[21:59] <pwnguin> entirely plausible
[22:00] <pwnguin> the driver looks for a given file
[22:00] <pwnguin> loads the file into wherever
[22:01] <pwnguin> ext3 is case sensetive; windows generally is not
[22:02] <crimsun> it's certainly a candidate for silliest source bug ever
[22:02] <pwnguin> na
[22:02] <pwnguin> when i was working with TinyOS, there were a lot of bugs like this
[22:02] <pwnguin> that caused fail to build
[22:02] <crimsun> doesn't make the bugs any less silly
[22:03] <pwnguin> #include "dbg.h"
[22:03] <pwnguin> in absolute terms, but silliest is a relative statement
[22:08] <crimsun> seriously, though, the friggin case is hard-coded into the source :/
[22:10] <pwnguin> heh
[22:10] <pwnguin> i haven't found the code yet
[22:10] <crimsun> line 222, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty.git;a=blob;f=drivers/bluetooth/bcm203x.c;h=ee40201c7278ad94aadf43ac220c1cedfd67c49e;hb=HEAD
[22:12] <pwnguin> so, patch the kernel or change the file's case?
[22:15] <crimsun> doesn't really make a difference
[22:16] <pwnguin> well, where does the firmware bin files come from?
[22:16] <crimsun> linux-firmware
[22:16] <pwnguin> thats not what i meant
[22:16] <pwnguin> linux-firmware came from somewhere else
[22:17] <crimsun> i suppose you could contact<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:17] <crimsun> that's what linux-firmware's firmware/broadcom/BCM-LEGAL.txt contains, at least
[22:18] <crimsun> in any case, i have no idea if renaming the files is permitted, though i don't see why not [as the source package is in main, not restricted]
[22:19] <crimsun> it would probably be simpler to perform the renaming in linux-firmware's debian/rules


[15:56]  * marjo waves
[16:02] <pitti> o/
[16:02]  * apw zones in
[16:03] <Riddell> good afternoon friends
[16:05] <Riddell> this meeting is lacking a certain je ne sais quoi
[16:06] <pitti> je ne parlez-pas francois
[16:06] <Riddell> "parle" "francais"
[16:06] <apw> et tu brute
[16:06] <davmor2> Riddell: he said he didn't :)
[16:07] <Riddell> slangasek?  how's your french?
[16:07] <lool> Riddell: francois is old french
[16:07] <lool> it's even more impressive  ;)
[16:08] <lool> pardon c'est encore plus impressionant
[16:08] <Riddell> c'est supercool
[16:08]  * pitti checks the channel again
[16:08] <cjwatson> Riddell: a certain je ne sais qui, perhaps
[16:09] <Riddell> robbiew: able to phone slangasek?  he might need woken up
[16:09] <robbiew> yeah...let me check
[16:10] <cjwatson> I can't chair, I have a lot of other urgent stuff to do at the same time - maybe somebody else can
[16:10] <robbiew> slangasek is on his way
[16:10] <robbiew> ;)
[16:10] <slangasek> morning, folks
[16:11] <pitti> hey slangasek
[16:11] <slangasek> (sorry)
[16:11] <pitti> slangasek: you still have a feeling about "morning" vs. "night" these days? Impressive
[16:11] <njpatel> hey
[16:11] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:11. The chair is slangasek.
[16:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:12] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Actions from previous meetings
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from previous meetings
[16:12] <slangasek>   * slangasek and bdmurray to garden the regression-potential bugs
[16:12] <slangasek>   * slangasek to look at possible Kubuntu-only EOL announcement for 8.04
[16:12] <slangasek>   * asac__ to follow up on notify-osd/gpm regression
[16:12] <slangasek>   * marjo and slangasek to follow up on getting eucalyptus tests updated on tracker (DONE)
[16:12] <apw> slangasek, am covering kernel for pgraner
[16:12] <slangasek>   * davmor2 to test wubi with syncio->sync fix ASAP (DONE)
[16:12] <slangasek>   * lool to confirm that shipping jaunty OOo .so w/o source is legal
[16:12] <slangasek>   * kirkland to discuss virtio for uec with Dan today (Bug:432154)
[16:12] <slangasek>   * sistpoty|work to draft another call for help w/ FTBFS (DONE)
[16:12] <slangasek> apw: ack
[16:12] <asac> asac: scratch that follow up please ;) its not a release critical thing (though we discussed it here in context)
[16:12] <asac> slangasek: ^^
[16:13] <slangasek> asac: ok
[16:13] <kirkland> slangasek: our dynamic block storage and virtio bugs were fixed on Wednesday
[16:13] <slangasek> regression-potential bugs> will finish up today
[16:13] <slangasek> kirkland: great, thanks
[16:14] <lool> I checked with legal and it's ok to ship the jaunty binary but they would like us to include a note in debian/copyright
[16:14] <slangasek> the jaunty OOO .so has also been addressed; we need a change added to the debian/copyright, which ccheney will add in the next (and hopefully final!) OOo upload
[16:14]  * slangasek nods
[16:14] <slangasek> kubuntu EOL> still to be addressed
[16:14] <slangasek> [TOPIC] QA Team
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Team
[16:15] <marjo> Hardware testing:
[16:15] <marjo> http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:15] <marjo> Netbooks
[16:15] <marjo>    passed:      10 (91%)        failed:      0  ( 0%)  untested:  1  ( 9%)
[16:15] <marjo> Laptops:
[16:15] <marjo>    passed:      26 (96%)        failed:      0  ( 0%)   untested:    1  ( 4%)
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:15] <marjo> Servers:
[16:15] <marjo>    passed:      42 (91%)        failed:      0  ( 0%)   untested:    4  ( 9%)
[16:15] <marjo> Desktops
[16:15] <marjo>    passed:      10 (100%)       failed:      0  (  0%)  untested:    0  (  0%)
[16:15] <marjo> current test results look good
[16:15] <marjo> that's it for QA
[16:16] <pitti> wow
[16:16] <pitti> 0 failures?
[16:16] <slangasek> we're still waiting on checkbox results from the NC10?
[16:17] <fader> slangasek: Correct; manjo still has that hardware and just finished bugfixing
[16:17] <fader> (as of yesterday)
[16:17] <marjo> pitti: once we get manjo's results, we'll get another 100%
[16:18] <slangasek> presumably :)
[16:18]  * fader keeps his fingers crossed.
[16:18]  * pitti knocks on wood
[16:18] <marjo> slangasek: positive thinking man!
[16:19] <slangasek> marjo: are there any bugs that are coming to QA's attention that you're concerned about for the release, that haven't yet been targeted?
[16:19] <marjo> none that i'm aware of
[16:19] <marjo> your critical bugs seem appropriate
[16:20] <slangasek> ok, great
[16:20] <slangasek> if you notice anything we're overlooking, please yell :)
[16:20] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Desktop Team
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Team
[16:20] <marjo> you bet!
[16:21] <pitti> This week the PolicyKit-1 migration was completed with the upload of checkbox. We also got some bug fix releases of the X.org stack, humanity icon theme, and a flood of bug fixes for fixing highly visible bugs such as the broken handling of music players.
[16:21] <pitti> The artwork copyright situation finally got resolved, after much internal discussion.
[16:21] <pitti> RC bug fixing went on with full speed, with good results, but they keep coming...
[16:21] <pitti> Notable planned change: Next Monday the new GNOME point release is due, and we traditionally squeezed that into final (and so far managed to do so). We'll put extra resources into getting it all uploaded and working on Monday.
[16:21] <slangasek> sounds good
[16:21] <pitti> as usual, detailled bug status is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus (also two new ones which weren't on the meeting invite list yet)
[16:21] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:22] <Riddell> Kubuntu has made very pleasing progress on RC bugs, issues with KDM, openoffice, Qt, translations all sorted
[16:22] <Riddell> two notable ones on my radar still
[16:22] <Riddell> upgrade from hardy broken, bug 452090, mvo says it's an issue with apt, not sure if any more is known
[16:23] <Riddell> apps launcher on kubuntu netbook keeps breaking, bug  446905, ScottK has narrowed with down to some recently change in kdelibs so it shouldn't be too hard to narrow it down to what actually caused the problem
[16:24] <Riddell> oh and we did a late upgrade of sip/python-qt due to licencing change which broke pykde for a while but that should be sorted now
[16:24] <pitti> Riddell: ^ I tested it with apport and jockey, WFM again
[16:24] <pitti> thanks for sorting that out
[16:24] <pitti> Riddell: there's also bug 339313 open still
[16:24] <slangasek> hmm, so 452090 probably needs resolved / worked around before we do a kubuntu 8.04 EOL announcement
[16:25] <pitti> is that direct hardy->karmic, or hardy->jaunty->karmic?
[16:25] <Riddell> pitti: mm, is an upstream issue really but yes it would be very nice to have fixed
[16:25] <pitti> (hardy->jaunty was supported, right?)
[16:25] <slangasek> pitti: right, though that's effectively degenerated into a metabug
[16:25] <Riddell> pitti: hardy->karmic
[16:25] <Riddell> slangasek: I'm hoping mvo can look into it, I don't know if anyone else is familiar enough with apt
[16:26] <pitti> Riddell: you said that we could probably close 339313 and open another one for the remaining (corner?) case?
[16:26] <Riddell> pitti: oh yes, I should do that
[16:26] <slangasek> Riddell: fwiw, I was pinged directly yesterday by the minirok upstream about the python-qt upgrade breaking that package due to incompatibilities; I sponsored in a quick bugfix-only release, but you guys might want to be aware and look around for other breakage in the reverse-deps
[16:26] <pitti> it became too much of a dumping ground
[16:27] <pitti> "Minirok" *chuckle*
[16:27] <Riddell> slangasek: ok I didn't know that, we will be testing pyqt bits closely
[16:27] <slangasek> pitti, Riddell: yes, having a clean bug for that issue would be nice :)
[16:28] <pitti> any questions wrt. desktop?
[16:29] <slangasek> none from me
[16:29] <slangasek> [TOPIC] DX Team
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  DX Team
[16:29] <slangasek> pitti, Riddell: thanks
[16:29] <slangasek> davidbarth: hi
[16:29] <davidbarth> hi
[16:29] <davidbarth> the report is up at the usual location:
[16:29] <davidbarth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:30] <davidbarth> of note this week
[16:30] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:30] <davidbarth> all bugs on the radar fixed, mostly by the last xsplash upload on thursday
[16:30] <davidbarth> n-osd: no upload however on Thursday, but we still have bugs
[16:31] <davidbarth> and now fixes, mostly for the last crashers that were reported
[16:31] <davidbarth> as of this afternoon all the critical ones are fix committed
[16:31] <davidbarth> we're also reviewing icon mappings to add missing symlinks to notify-osd-icons
[16:32] <davidbarth> to remap nm or gpm notification icons to the new ones provided specifically for n-osd
[16:32]  * ScottK is here now.
[16:32] <davidbarth> this is tracked as #453066
[16:32] <pitti> oh, they are still wrong in some cases?
[16:32] <slangasek> I see mention of a pending change regarding notify-osd icons; it's already quite late to be making such changes, since that's a UI Freeze exception - how much is changing, and when is that expected to land?
[16:32] <Riddell> agateau had an issue in the Kubuntu patches he wanted to fix to make the message indicator consisten with gnome in showing apps rather than toggle show/hide, so patches for that may appear soon.  I said they should be easily readable and tested in a PPA first
[16:33] <davidbarth> Riddell: yes too, next line on the report ;)
[16:33] <lool> (I added links to the bugs on the wiki page)
[16:33] <Riddell> sorry davidbarth, I'm stealing your moment of glory :)
[16:33] <davidbarth> slangasek: i'll have a list by the end of the afternoon
[16:33] <slangasek> ok
[16:34] <davidbarth> slangasek: that's mostly regressions AFAICT, but i do a full review to make sure of that
[16:34] <davidbarth> icon naming is always a pain
[16:34] <davidbarth> Riddell: np
[16:34] <slangasek> even if they're regressions, at this point in the cycle we need to coordinate with the docs team so they know what's changing that may affect their screenshots
[16:35] <davidbarth> Riddell: i think the change makes sense on both desktop, but i know that for users of systray status icons the toggle mode was a welcome change
[16:35] <davidbarth> slangasek: yep, i know, i already had to ping them about another change earlier :-(
[16:36] <davidbarth> last there is a low prio rhythmbox bug
[16:37] <davidbarth> but it unearthed a quirk in our API compatibility
[16:37] <davidbarth> that's it mostly
[16:37] <davidbarth> questions?
[16:37] <slangasek> none here; anyone else?
[16:37] <lool> Any planned bug fix release?
[16:38] <davidbarth> n-osd around tuesday
[16:38] <lool> Ok; thanks
[16:38] <davidbarth> ie, the set of patches should be ready by then
[16:39] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Mobile Team
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile Team
[16:39] <slangasek> davidbarth: thanks
[16:39] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:39] <lool> Overview of overall status (more details since we're close to release):
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:39] <lool> * UNR: good shape * wubi still needs testing * we'd like to SRU [[Bug:447886|#447886: On startup Gnome Keyring asks for password in the background]]
[16:39] <lool> * general armel stuff
[16:39] <lool>   * toolchain not fully fixed, other issues crept in
[16:39] <lool>   * openoffice needs an upload for copyright fix and preferably against latest toolchain
[16:39] <lool> * armel+mx51: ok
[16:39] <lool>   * SATA I/O errors are a bit ugly
[16:39] <lool>   * should rebuild some packages now that the PIC issue is fixed
[16:39] <lool>   * need to test Babbage 2.0 again
[16:39] <lool> * armel+dove: ok
[16:40] <lool>   * Installation is very slow, I/O errors during install; slightly worrying
[16:40] <lool>   * Need to update installation instructions to cover bootrom update; should get last uboot next week
[16:40] <lool>   * Work ongoing to support manual partitioning correctly (partman-uboot); need to finish changes in ubiquity
[16:40] <lool>   * need to drop mem= from kernel flags
[16:40] <lool> * Ubuntu Moblin Remix: ok
[16:40] <lool>   * installation issues are all believed to be fixed but need testing; the APT error might have reappeared
[16:41] <lool> (does someone know whether wubi is supposed to work ATM?  I got reports that it was only fixed for some people)
[16:41] <davmor2> lool: kinda but not properly.  No more grub issue
[16:42] <davidbarth> lool: is there something we can do fo #447886 in netbook-launcher? this one is a nasty usability bug...
[16:42] <slangasek> lool: the list of milestoned bugs on that page is a bit difficult to read, fixed bugs are mixed in with open ones; could that be cleaned up next week?
[16:42] <lool> davidbarth: Well I suggested that netbook-launcher should foreground all existing real windows at the end of startup
[16:42] <lool> slangasek: I drop them when they are fixed; I will try to sort them next time, sorry
[16:43] <slangasek> which packages are you wanting rebuilt for PIC?
[16:43] <lool> (I keep them only for one more week when they are fixed)
[16:43] <lool> slangasek: I wanted to rerun my script on a desktop install now that uploads have calmed down
[16:43] <slangasek> ok
[16:43] <lool> (doko suggested that if I were to push rebuild-only uploads, it would hurt slow arches)
[16:44] <lool> davidbarth: But after discussion with njpatel, we found it a bit intrusive for final, so I proposed it as a SRU
[16:44] <lool> davidbarth: If you think we can fix it, that would be nice
[16:45] <davidbarth> lool: hmm ok, we'll take a second look
[16:45] <lool> thanks
[16:46] <slangasek> any questions on mobile?
[16:46] <lool> slangasek: I've moved fixed bugs at the top of the list now
[16:46] <doko> lool: well, not this point
[16:46] <slangasek> cheers
[16:47] <lool> doko: Yeah, that was last week
[16:47] <lool> doko: Now it would be ok
[16:47] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Server Team
[16:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Team
[16:47] <slangasek> lool: thanks
[16:47] <slangasek> kirkland: hi
[16:47] <kirkland> slangasek: yessir
[16:48] <slangasek> kirkland: status to report on the server team? :)
[16:49] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:49] <slangasek> ttx sent me that yesterday
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: ah, yessir.  server team = cloud right now
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: which = eucalyptus;  things have come along very, very well
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: we do expect to file an upload exception today
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: we've been testing overnight
[16:49] <kirkland> slangasek: awaiting the feedback from Eucalyptus Systems' testing overnight, as well
[16:50] <kirkland> slangasek: apologies in advance for the upload
[16:50] <kirkland> slangasek: though it does solve all of our remaining release critical bugs
[16:50] <slangasek> "file an upload exception" - please bear in mind that unless there are specific doubts about the acceptability of the upload, it's preferable to do the upload and let it be reviewed in queue
[16:51] <kirkland> slangasek: understood; i'll get on that
[16:51] <slangasek> mathiaz: did you have anything to add?
[16:51] <kirkland> slangasek: i really want to touch base with the eucalyptus.com guys
[16:51] <mathiaz> slangasek: bug 451881
[16:51] <slangasek> (I see ttx designated you as the representative in his mail)
[16:51] <mathiaz> slangasek: found this yesterday - it's an issue with the uec images
[16:52] <slangasek> hmm, wasn't that bug fixed once before?
[16:52] <mathiaz> slangasek: well - it was in ec2
[16:52] <slangasek> oh, ok
[16:52] <mathiaz> slangasek: turns out that UEC is different
[16:52] <mathiaz> slangasek: EC2 is xen - UEC uses kvm
[16:52]  * slangasek nods
[16:52] <mathiaz> slangasek: so we may have to adjust things on UEC as well
[16:53] <mathiaz> slangasek: I've gone through the rest of milestoned bugs
[16:53] <mathiaz> slangasek: and other lists that ttx sent me
[16:53] <mathiaz> slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus is up-to-date
[16:53] <slangasek> ok, great
[16:53] <mathiaz> slangasek: as far as blueprint: server-karmic-ec2-release-process
[16:54] <mathiaz> slangasek: i think that smoser is now publishing automatically daily builds of uec images
[16:54] <ScottK> FYI, clamav may have a bugfix release a week from Monday, so it'll have to go to -proposed/updates, if it appears.
[16:54] <mathiaz> slangasek: I don't if that covers all of the blueprint mentioned above
[16:54] <smoser> mathiaz, is correct on that.
[16:55] <mathiaz> slangasek: that's all for the server team
[16:55] <slangasek> smoser: now that it's settled what we're publishing for UEC images, I still need to go back and finish integrating the index generation scripts
[16:55] <smoser> slangasek, i still have TODO of "publishing" a build from nightly to release
[16:55] <slangasek> and then we should do a milestone publishing dry run, yes
[16:55] <smoser> slangasek, unless you disagree with something, i think the current output is fairly good
[16:57] <slangasek> smoser: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/karmic/current/ has no HEADER.html or .htaccess, I think we want that on dailies (and want to be able to reuse the same code for milestones instead of generating HTML by hand)
[16:57] <slangasek> smoser: do you have time Monday morning to work with me on this?
[16:57] <smoser> slangasek, yeah. lets do that.
[16:57] <slangasek> ok
[16:58] <slangasek> any other questions on server?
[16:59] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Kernel Team
[16:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Team
[16:59] <apw> Overall kernel team status is summarised at the URL below, including the bugs called out in the agenda.  All of these bugs are either now fixed or pushed out to karmic-updates.
[16:59] <slangasek> kirkland, mathiaz, smoser: thanks
[16:59] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:59] <apw> We have picked up v<IP_ADDRESS> plus some rfkill fixes for Dell platforms.  x86 kernel is looking pretty good so far, we have a couple of fixes outstanding for regressions (one affecting Huawei 3G dongles, and another affecting Protege touchpad), there are likely to be others by release and we expect to close those out by SRU shortly thereafter.  The mvl-dove and fsl-imx51 kernels are both looking very good, with no installer issues outstanding at th
[16:59] <apw> is time.  We just did an upload for the main kernel for a couple of udeb issues which close out debian-installer bugs as requested by the installer team.
[16:59] <apw> All of the primary release tasks appear complete.  We have reduced the kernel log level by default to suppress many of the chatty messages we otherwise see during the usplash to Xsplash lull.  AppArmor should now be feature complete, and the final(?) NFS bug has been closed out.
[16:59] <apw> ..
[17:00] <slangasek> apw: cjwatson brought bug #451872 to my attention late yesterday, suggesting that a kernel freeze exception was in order to be able to get this fixed for the installer; has there been any follow up on that today?
[17:00] <cjwatson> that's the udeb issues apw refers to
[17:00] <cjwatson> e100 and qlogic
[17:00] <slangasek> ah, yes
[17:01] <apw> yep, thats one of the two udeb related issues ... i uploaded a kernel with just those two fixes this lunchtime
[17:01] <apw> it appears to have been accepted and is building now
[17:01] <cjwatson> I'm waiting for slow architectures to catch up, and will then do a d-i upload
[17:01] <ScottK> apw: Did you get an answer yet about if we need a linux-rt upload or not?
[17:01] <slangasek> sounds good
[17:01] <cjwatson> well, most architectures actually
[17:02] <apw> i've not heard back from themuso as yet
[17:02] <ScottK> slangasek: Could we have an action for apw to check if linux-rt needs an update now?
[17:02] <slangasek> [ACTION] apw to follow up on whether linux-rt needs an update
[17:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  apw to follow up on whether linux-rt needs an update
[17:02] <apw> ack
[17:02] <ScottK> I know you'll do it, but I want to make sure it's documented and tracked.
[17:03] <slangasek> ScottK: I don't have context for this, though - why is that an outstanding question?
[17:03] <apw> ScottK, thats fine ...
[17:03] <apw> it seems linux-rt may be on an ISO and may need the same fixes that we just did for x86
[17:03] <apw> for the installer ...
[17:03] <ScottK> slangasek: linux-rt is following linux pretty closely this cycle  and I want to make sure they don't need any of the bits that got affected by the late upload.
[17:03] <slangasek> apw: linux-rt isn't used in the installer
[17:04] <cjwatson> indeed
[17:04] <ScottK> OK.  I just want to make sure we close the loop with Ubuntu Studio.
[17:04] <apw> ScottK tells me there is an ISO of it, studio or something?
[17:04] <cjwatson> the installer for that ISO still uses the generic kernel
[17:04] <apw> cjwatson, excellent then we can likely say there won't be an issue there
[17:04] <cjwatson> we literally don't build d-i against -rt at all - it can't possibly be using it
[17:04] <apw> then we are good, we can close that one out
[17:04] <cjwatson> yes
[17:05] <ScottK> OK.
[17:05] <apw> thanks ScottK for bringing it up
[17:05] <slangasek> anything else on the kernel front?
[17:05] <apw> i am done
[17:05] <slangasek> I was happy to see that the Dell rfkill fixes also fixed my ThinkPad just enough to let me close out the wireless hotkey regression :)
[17:06] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Security Team
[17:06] <slangasek> apw: thanks
[17:06] <jdstrand> o/
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security Team
[17:06] <slangasek> jdstrand: hi
[17:06] <jdstrand> our release status page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus
[17:06] <jdstrand> just a couple of things today:
[17:06] <jdstrand> bug #446524
[17:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur and jj are working on it
[17:07] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus
[17:07] <jdstrand> bug #452057
[17:07] <jdstrand> that one was just accepted this morning
[17:07] <jdstrand> and the other one is bug #434084
[17:07] <kees> tresys said they'd have something for us to test/validate on monday for the selinux issue.
[17:07] <jdstrand> kees wanted to talk about that one
[17:08] <kees> but since it's unseeded, it shouldn't be a problem, and ought to only apply to unseeded universe packages.  I'd like to suggest we drop it from our release-team watch list.
[17:08] <jdstrand> I'm cool with that. it was there only to make sure it didn't get dropped
[17:08] <slangasek> ok
[17:09] <jdstrand> other than that, you can see our ReleaseStatus page
[17:09] <slangasek> right - thanks
[17:09] <slangasek> any questions for security?
[17:09] <jdstrand> sure
[17:10] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Foundations Team
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations Team
[17:10] <slangasek> jdstrand, kees: thanks again
[17:10] <slangasek> cjwatson: hi
[17:10] <cjwatson> hi, I'll keep it briefe
[17:10] <cjwatson> with added e apparently
[17:11] <cjwatson> *lots* of mountall fixes this week from Scott, so we're down to just a few remaining bits
[17:11] <cjwatson> main things left that I think we *have* to fix are:
[17:11] <cjwatson> bug 440281 (d-i clock setup is wrong; this is mine, been waiting too long so I will aim to close this out today)
[17:11] <cjwatson> bug 431993 (preserve-home installs delete too many files; evand just uploaded this)
[17:11] <cjwatson> bug 446596 (fsck splash integration; Keybuk was working on this last night)
[17:11] <cjwatson> a recent regression that means everyone gets an "incomplete language support" message on installation, for which there is a bug but I have forgotten the number
[17:11] <cjwatson> and possibly bug 434173 (account for new language-support organisation in update-manager), although I think mvo may be too overloaded for that so it may be an SRU item
[17:12] <cjwatson> ah yes, bug 452516
[17:13] <slangasek> is that it, then?
[17:13] <cjwatson> all from me
[17:14] <cjwatson> sorry I'm disorganised this week, been in a customer project that's taking a lot of time
[17:14]  * slangasek nods
[17:14] <slangasek> lool also asked about wubi earlier; are we in better shape now with that?
[17:15] <cjwatson> oh, sorry
[17:15] <cjwatson> half of wubi is fixed; we are no longer seeing random write problems that mean grub sometimes doesn't work
[17:15] <cjwatson> however, there is still a mysterious partitioner hang which we're working
[17:16] <cjwatson> it's very tedious to debug wubi which is why it's taking so long :-/
[17:16]  * slangasek nods
[17:16] <cjwatson> but at least there is, I think, no longer suspicion that the filesystem is busted
[17:16] <lool> thanks for the update
[17:16] <slangasek> that's a relief
[17:17] <cjwatson> I regret to say that I am not exactly certain what fixed it, though
[17:17] <cjwatson> so we'll need to keep an eye on things
[17:18] <slangasek> any other questions for foundations?
[17:19] <slangasek> [TOPIC] MOTU
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU
[17:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: thanks
[17:19] <slangasek> ScottK: hi
[17:19] <ScottK> Hi
[17:20] <ScottK> We got Universe freeze timing announced https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-October/000634.html
[17:20] <ScottK> FTBFS is still a concern.
[17:20] <ScottK> The other bug question is Maven.
[17:21] <ScottK> sistpoty and I just wrote doko a blank check to give it another shot
[17:21] <ScottK> http://people.canonical.com/~doko/ubuntu-diff/status/maven.html
[17:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~doko/ubuntu-diff/status/maven.html
[17:21] <ScottK> Apparently a lot of people want this and so I'd rather push foward and try even if we end up having to do some SRUs if it doesn't end well.
[17:21] <ScottK> That's all I have.
[17:22] <doko> if the first build succeeds, it much depends on having lamont the time to redo that on a buildd
[17:22] <pitti> I recently did a lot of syncs etc. for maven; so these weren't enough?
[17:22] <doko> no
[17:22] <slangasek> SRUs> no objections, then
[17:22] <pitti> ah, right, the bootstrap, I remember
[17:22] <ScottK> SRUs or last minute removals.
[17:23] <ScottK> There is a consensus among the people who want maven that no maven is better than the broken one we have now.
[17:23] <slangasek> I've been fixing a number of incidental FTBFSes in universe as I clean up NBS, but I guess that makes me one of the few people to meet my 5.8 FTBFS fix quota :)
[17:24] <ScottK> I've been doing one or two a day, but this week's being hell for me for $WORK, so I didn't get to it.
[17:24] <doko> then my quota should be >20, including the -1 for fltk1.1 ;)
[17:24] <slangasek> doko: that just means you did someone else's quota, and they owe you cookies at UDS
[17:25] <slangasek> anything else for MOTU?
[17:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:25] <slangasek> anything else at all?
[17:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[17:25] <slangasek> (ScottK: thanks)
[17:26] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:26] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:26.
[17:26] <slangasek> right, back to polishing :)
[17:26] <slangasek> thanks, all
[17:26] <pitti> thanks all


[00:06] <triune> works like a charm
[00:06] <triune> cheers
[00:06] <triune> have a nice weekend :)
[01:12] <elky> Hi, I need a project renamed.
[01:51] <wgrant> elky: Could you ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion?
[02:00] <elky> wgrant, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/158402
[02:06] <wgrant> elky: Does anyone care about the old name? I can add a redirect.
[02:07] <elky> wgrant, don't think so, no
[02:07] <wgrant> Done.
[02:08] <elky> wgrant, sweet, thanks
[17:41] <marvin24_DT> hi, I failed to delete the https://code.launchpad.net/~marvin24/ac100/chromeos-ac100-2.6.37 branch
[17:41] <marvin24_DT> I guess something is stuck ...
[21:07] <exarkun> I accidentally linked https://launchpad.net/divmod.org/trunk to Oneiric python-axiom.  I can't find the UI to unlink it.  Can anyone direct me to it?
[21:54] <maxb> exarkun: Follow the "All packages" link
[21:56] <exarkun> Thanks.
[21:57] <exarkun> Also, the UI seems to imply that multiple packages can be linked to it?  Is that right?
[22:01] <maxb> One per distroseries, I'd imagine
[22:01] <maxb> oh, or maybe many
[22:01] <maxb> try it and see?
[22:03] <exarkun> I tried a few and got errors on all of them, but it wasn't clear why the error occurred
[22:03]  * exarkun tries some more
[22:03] <exarkun> "There is 1 error.", "Invalid value"
[22:04] <exarkun> Or "The source package is not published in [...]"
[22:04] <exarkun> Maybe it really isn't published, but I have it installed on my desktop so I wonder what that means.
[22:05] <maxb> hm
[22:05] <maxb> give me the name of another divmod source package?
[22:06] <exarkun> python-epsilon, python-nevow
[22:07] <maxb> Neither of those exist
[22:07] <exarkun> I guess that's why it doesn't work, then.
[22:08] <exarkun> What does it mean that they don't exist?  I have both of them installed on my Karmic desktop machine.
[22:09] <maxb> Ah, because the source packages are called "epsilon" and "nevow"
[22:09] <maxb> Also, why do you have a Karmic machine any more? :-)
[22:10] <exarkun> The answer to that question is best phrased as a series of bug reports :/
[22:12] <exarkun> Thanks for the clarification about those package links.


[06:42] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:26] <ouzel8__> Hi! I encountered an issue while upgrading the release of an ubuntu server installation recently.
[07:27] <ouzel8__> I started upgrading over ssh, but became disconnected, I am not sure how far the upgrade progressed before disconnecting.
[07:28] <ouzel8__> I then later tried to continue the upgrade at the computer system terminal.
[07:28] <ouzel8__> It prompted me to instead upgrade the OS, that is update/upgrade
[07:29] <ouzel8__> After which the system no longer had any network connectivity.
[07:29] <beob> Hello! I just upgraded a Ubuntu server from 16 to 18 to 20 and therefore from mysql 5.7 to 8.0. The mysql server now can't complete the upgrade because of a faulty routine: "Error in parsing Routine 'somedb'.'someroutine' during upgrade. You have an error in your SQL syntax;". How can I just remove this routine so the upgrade will go through? Right now the mysql server won't start because of it. Any suggestions?
[07:30] <ouzel8__> I noticed the netplan configuration 99_config.yaml which set a static ip as per the documentation was no longer there, additionally that the systemd networking.service unit file reported it was missing when systemd restart commands where used.
[07:43] <ouzel8__> Alright, I got this working.
[07:45] <ouzel8__> By manually upgrade, dsel-upgrade all the packages for the new release then rebooting. The networking now works on the machine
[07:45] <ouzel8__> New issue "Welcome to Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS (GNU/Linux 5.4.0-77-generic x86_64)”
[07:45] <ouzel8__> New release '20.04.2 LTS' available.
[07:45] <ouzel8__> Run 'do-release-upgrade' to upgrade to it.
[07:47] <ouzel8__> Despite being upgraded to the latest release, the banner still says a new release is available.
[07:48] <ouzel8__> Is this static text, or is this an error.
[07:48] <ouzel8__> Any ideas?
[17:02] <Supbro12> hello all, i have a php applicaiton running on 16.04, trying to migrate the code but that project is going to take some time for the devs to complete. I am looking to install PHP7.0 on Ubuntu 20.04 is backports the appropriate use case for this?
[17:10] <sdeziel> Supbro12: since 20.04 ships with PHP 7.4 by default, you could use a PPA like https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php?field.series_filter=focal to get the old 7.0 version
[17:18] <Supbro12> sdeziel thanks i'll look at this right now


[12:23] <Razva> hey folks! my maas server has two nics: one for net and one for lan. I've setup the lan nic, via maas, to offer dhcp and dns. dhcp works, dns doesn't. all lan clients get IPs from the maas-dhcp, BUT seems that internet is not accessible from lan clients. should I setup nat, or this should be done by maas?
[13:41] <haasn> MAAS does not automatically set up NAT/routing or anything
[13:41] <haasn> for DNS, make sure they have the maas server as their primary DNS resolver
[18:08] <Razva> haasn should I use the internal or external IP?
[18:44] <Razva> when deploying openstack with juju: Failed to get ip directly: [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[19:24] <mup> Bug #1547640 changed: proxy tries ipv6 and gets 503 when no ipv6 routes <cloud-installer> <squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <squid3 (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547640>
[19:27] <mup> Bug #1547640 opened: proxy tries ipv6 and gets 503 when no ipv6 routes <cloud-installer> <squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <squid3 (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547640>
[19:30] <mup> Bug #1547640 changed: proxy tries ipv6 and gets 503 when no ipv6 routes <cloud-installer> <squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <squid3 (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547640>
[19:36] <mup> Bug #1547640 opened: proxy tries ipv6 and gets 503 when no ipv6 routes <cloud-installer> <squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <squid3 (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547640>
[19:39] <mup> Bug #1547640 changed: proxy tries ipv6 and gets 503 when no ipv6 routes <cloud-installer> <squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <squid3 (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547640>
[19:42] <mup> Bug #1547640 opened: proxy tries ipv6 and gets 503 when no ipv6 routes <cloud-installer> <squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <squid3 (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547640>
[19:45] <mup> Bug #1547640 changed: proxy tries ipv6 and gets 503 when no ipv6 routes <cloud-installer> <squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <squid3 (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1547640>
[21:47] <koaps> hello
[21:50] <koaps> does anyone know if there's way to add a route to nodes when MAAS deploys the OS? via cloud-init or something? I tried adding a static-route in dhcp but the nodes don't seem to get it


[00:30] <Unit193> Use some sort of canuseeme port check, check your router setup?
[00:31] <dfx> Unit193: im sorry but i did not get it you mean those sites that tells you if this port its open or no ?? btw if i use my wifi i can ssh but not with 3g and keepin in mind my machine its on that wifi
[00:33] <dfx> Unit193: on this site http://www.canyouseeme.org/ he does not see me :S
[01:28] <jay> i have disk encryption enabled and all i get is a blackscreen on boot, i seen a gui only once to enter the password, any way to fix?
[01:38] <phillw> jay: do have the 'pass-phrase; written down?
[01:38] <jay> i know the passphrase yes
[01:39] <jay> i can boot into lubuntu just fine with the black screen, im just confused as to why i only seen a lubuntu gui for it once
[01:41] <phillw> Can you explain the problem? Can you log onto lubuntu, or is there a further problem?
[01:44] <jay> okay well i seen a gui to enter my disk encryption passphrase only on my first boot after install, after then its just a black screen. i can enter my passphrase at the black screen(no text input or anything) and it continues to boot as intended. Im just trying to get the gui back is all
[01:47] <jay> and my mouse and keyboard dont respond(i have a laptop) and i have to force shutdown and boot up like 2 or 3 times to fix that issue. thats the other problem. you can take a whack at either if you wanna help. Thanks in advance
[01:49] <jay> NOTED ive had these problems on ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, and linux mint, but i am favoring lubuntu and using lubuntu now :)
[01:52] <Unit193> What version?  I'd think it could be plymouth or whatever is the crypt program.
[01:52] <jay> 12.10
[01:53] <jay> ive went back and forth between 12.04 and 12.10 on the distros ive listed above, but i am sticking to 12.10 for now, unless i should do otherwise?
[01:53] <jay> and i do not have a UEFI bios if that makes a difference? i have a Toshiba Satellite laptop
[01:55] <Unit193> So https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/+bug/1060123 but for Lubuntu?
[01:58] <Unit193> (It would indicate that one of the plymouth-theme-lubuntu* packages needs fixed.)
[01:58] <jay> sry im a noob at linux :( how can i fix it, im willing to try the fix. i have nothing on my hdd at the moment. so nothing a reinstall cant fix if things go south lol
[02:01] <Unit193> phillw: You know if anyone has done encrypted tests for Raring?
[02:01] <n-iCe> hi phillw
[02:02] <n-iCe> phillw: you use plain lubuntu desktop?
[02:03] <phillw> n-iCe: w
[02:03] <n-iCe> w?
[02:04] <phillw> n-iCe: can you explain what you mean by plain lubuntu desktop
[02:04] <n-iCe> default's desktop
[02:04] <jay> i read somewhere that restarting dbus may fix my mouse and keyboard issues?
[02:05] <jay> they usually do not work on cold boot unless i force reboot a few times
[02:05] <phillw> n-iCe: I use the default lubuntu,... then I add stuff,
[02:05] <Unit193> jay: USB or PS/2?
[02:05] <jay> laptop, built in
[02:06] <Unit193> Right, right.  My bad.  I personally don't know on that one, had issues with that and PS/2 mice and reloading the kernel module would help.
[02:08] <jay> i made a post on ubuntu forums for my issues and one gentleman pointed me to a page where it stated to add a line to /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
[02:08] <jay> here http://lxlinux.com/#18
[02:09] <jay> but there is no LXDE folder where it states, so i used the Lubuntu directory in place of it, i have yet to see if it fixed the issue as i just added the like
[02:09] <jay> line*
[02:11] <n-iCe> is this link workinf for you guys? http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35272968/Blog/xcompmgr.desktop
[02:12] <jay> no
[02:13] <jay> the site itself is down
[02:17] <jay> would trying to reinstall plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo and text in synaptic possibly fix the issue Unit193?
[02:18] <Unit193> Can't say for sure, but don't see why.  Worth trying I suppose.  You tried text booting?
[02:19] <jay> dont know how unless its in the grub recovery. never even tried though
[02:19] <jay> im new to linux, im trying to learn the ropes. id rather be guided until im comfy with the OS rather than taking a whack at things all willy nilly
[02:21] <Unit193> The general recommendation on encryption are only use it if you need to, otherwise it can cause issues (as seen here for example.)
[02:21] <jay> encryption in general? or is home folder encryption fine?
[02:22] <jay> id fond of encryption but agreed, i do not NEED it
[02:22] <jay> im*
[02:22] <Unit193> Well, the full disk encryption that is.  I use TrueCrypt without problems, except if I forget a password for an older cryptainer... >_>
[02:25] <jay> full disk encrypt with truecrypt or just file containers?
[02:25] <Unit193> I've just used files, not really needed full disk.
[02:25] <Unit193> Though, sadly it isn't in the main Ubuntu repos, so I've had to build the package myself.
[02:26] <jay> sounds good. ill restart to see if the reinstall helped. thanks for the help
[09:00] <Guest61038> arse
[09:01] <Guest61038> while i wait for nickserv
[09:01] <Guest61038> Flash is not working properly in chromium
[09:01] <Guest61038> i have restricted-extra installed
[09:01] <Guest61038> when flash content loads, its not renderd properly
[13:33] <Guest2610> I just installed Lubuntu 12.04 on an old laptop- Toshiba Satellite A105, I think.  I can't seem to adjust the display brightness, no matter what I do.  Any advice?
[16:39] <lubuntu__> need help fixing fstab, im running lubuntu live cd right now, where do i start? thanks
[16:40] <pegmanm> I am about to deploy 32 servers and am having trouble with how udev is numbering the interfaces. On most machines this appears to be pretty random. IE there is a 4 port broadcom and a dual Intel nic in the host. But numbers goes 0 -2 broadcom 3 intel 4 braodcom and 5 intel. Is ther any easy way to force numbering by card at least.
[16:41] <pegmanm> iIndividual udev rules will not work here I have an image and no idea what the mac's will be before deployment. I would just like to have the Intels counted befrore the broadcoms etc
[16:51] <holstein> lubuntu__: i would start with a default version, and add what you need
[16:52] <holstein> lubuntu__: put a default fstab in place, test boot.. edit.. test boot.. etc
[16:53] <lubuntu__> i dont know how lol im new to linux, trying to learn the ropes
[16:53] <holstein> pegmanm: since that question is not lubuntu specific, i would try in #ubuntu or the server channel (or mailing lists)
[16:53] <wxl> lubuntu__: what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:54] <lubuntu__> remove a line from fstab on my hdd, currently running on live cd
[16:54] <holstein> lubuntu__: why?
[16:54] <wxl> what line?
[16:54] <holstein> lubuntu__: the quetsion is, what are you trying to accomplish, overall
[16:54] <holstein> lubuntu__: if you want to remove a line, navigate to it from the live CD and remove it
[16:54] <lubuntu__> i added a line in fstab to make tmp noexec
[16:54] <lubuntu__> and now i cant boot
[16:55] <wxl> why did you do that?
[16:55] <holstein> lubuntu__: i would undo that change, and test boot...
[16:55] <lubuntu__> idk where to start
[16:55] <holstein> lubuntu__: ?
[16:55] <wxl> the live cd, from my memory, should mount your drives.
[16:55] <holstein> lubuntu__: you start the same as you did before
[16:55] <holstein> lubuntu__: you navigate to the same file, and edit it
[16:55] <wxl> the same way
[16:55] <wxl> !
[16:56] <lubuntu__> ok so how do i get read write access on my hdd from live cd?
[16:56] <holstein> !chown
[16:56] <holstein> though, you shouldnt have to
[16:56] <wxl> uh
[16:56] <holstein> OR< you can use an editor as root, as you did when you edited if before
[16:56] <wxl> chown?
[16:56] <wxl> i wouldn't recommend that
[16:56] <lubuntu__> ok thanks lemme try it out
[16:56] <holstein> sudo gedit /path/to/file for example
[16:57] <lubuntu__> thats what i did holstein, wouldnt let me save
[16:57] <wxl> ↑ now THAT makes sense
[16:57] <holstein> lubuntu__: i would try again
[16:57] <wxl> yeah live should mount drives rw
[16:57] <holstein> gksudo gedit or sudo nano... whatever you feel comfortable with
[16:57] <wxl> or sudo vi
[16:58] <holstein> as root with the editor of your choice :)
[16:59] <wxl> also you CAN get readwrite with mount -o rw,remount /path/to/drive
[16:59] <wxl> e.g. /dev/hda1 for example
[16:59] <lubuntu__> how do i list drives in term? :/
[16:59] <wxl> you can see all mounted drives with mount
[17:00] <wxl> you can see all drives with sudo fdisk -l
[17:00] <wxl> well, all mounts
[17:00] <wxl> sorry, partitions, last correction :)
[17:02] <holstein> lubuntu__: open a terminal
[17:02] <holstein> sudo nano /path/to/file
[17:02] <holstein> lubuntu__: use tab to auto-complete the path
[17:02] <holstein> unless you have a good backup, then you can just cp the backup over the current
[17:03] <wxl> well we know the file: /etc/fstab
[17:03] <holstein> probably has a mount path
[17:04] <wxl> well yeah
[17:05] <lubuntu__> worked, drive was in /media
[17:05] <wxl> usually are
[17:05] <lubuntu__> it was unlisted in mount and fdisk
[17:06] <lubuntu__> idk why but i just couldnt get it last night, i felt i was doing it the same way. Fresh start in the morn helped, thanks guys!
[17:06] <lubuntu__> since its a little more active here now, is there a fix for my laptop mouse and keyboard not responding on boot unless i force reboot a few times?
[17:07] <wxl> probably buy new hardware
[17:07] <wxl> that certainly doesn't seem like any sort of a typical issue
[17:07] <lubuntu__> yeah toshiba sucks anyway thanks guys!
[17:15] <purplefool> hey all, having a problem with libreoffice calc.  this is not the right place for this question, but i cannot find the right place.  can someone point me in the right direction?  thx all
[17:18] <wxl> purplefool: #libreoffice ?
[17:18] <purplefool> tried that but i was alone there...
[17:19] <wxl> purplefool: you're doing it wrong. i just went there and -!- Irssi: #libreoffice: Total of 121 nicks
[17:19] <wxl> 120 other people != alone
[17:20] <purplefool> hmmm...guess i don't know chat so well.  what do i type in to get there?
[17:20] <wxl> ok so you're using xchat
[17:21] <wxl> which i don't know a hoot about :)
[17:21] <wxl> are you on multiple networks, or just freenode? if you don't know that, is this the only irc channel you're on?
[17:22] <purplefool> i am on freenode and #lubuntu is only channel i am on
[17:22] <wxl> then /join #libreoffice should get you there
[17:22] <wxl> don't forget the #
[17:22] <purplefool> ok, will give it a try
[17:23] <purplefool> thx man, got it...is learnin!
[17:24] <phillw> wxl: as you are hopefully aware, the last spins of 13.04 have landed. As ever, the release team do NOT like doing this so late, but the bug was a show-stopper across the entire family. So, once more... up to the breach :D
[17:24] <phillw> and speaking of libeoffice, there is a major bug!
[17:27] <wxl> phillw: been busy at work and home so haven't been testing :( what's the bug?
[17:28] <phillw> keyboard shortcuts are no longer working.... provoked a 'WTF' from a still poorly balloons (Nicholas, head of all our QA teams).
[17:29] <wxl> hahaha
[17:29] <wxl> like any of them at all?! :O
[17:30] <phillw> that is libreoffice bug. the one that would cripple the rest of is https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080701
[17:31] <wxl> oh well nevermind libreoffice :)
[17:31] <phillw> soz, too many open tabs!
[17:33] <wxl> so this shouldn't affect alternate, no?
[17:33] <phillw> I am now starting to understand Julien's cunning plan of adding me to him as a release manager for lubuntu.... It's the usual 'fun' but with added responsibility
[17:34] <phillw> wxl: it would, the alternates get re-spun real quick :D
[17:34] <phillw> they were there within 20 mins of the 'respin the world' being issued.
[17:34] <wxl> well ubiquity != debian-installer is what i mea
[17:34] <wxl> mean
[17:35] <phillw> no, it is a partitioner issue
[17:35] <wxl> oh yikes
[17:35] <phillw> and, as colin said.. it would affect alternate and server.
[17:36] <phillw> dinner is server... talk later.
[17:36] <wxl> ta
[17:54] <Hiig> anyone know how to get file sharing to work between lubuntu and windows 7?
[18:06] <phillw> Hiig: !samba
[18:06] <phillw> !samba
[18:06] <Hiig> i have samba installed on lubuntu. downloaded it on windows as well, but i dont know how to open it up
[18:06] <Hiig> there is no exe in the installation folder
[18:07] <phillw> for lubuntu?
[18:07] <phillw> there are no .exe's
[18:07] <Hiig> for windows
[18:07] <Hiig> its already installed on lubuntu
[18:08] <phillw> to install samba on windows, you would need to read up on the tutorials for windows
[18:08] <Hiig> where?
[18:09] <phillw> Hiig: I cannot comment, as I do not use it.. but a quick look gave me http://www.noobslab.com/2012/03/configure-samba-sharing-between-ubuntu.html
[18:10] <Hiig> problem, is i cannot access via ip either
[18:10] <Hiig> ahh fuck it. ill set up a web server on my windows computer
[18:10] <Hiig> who knew transfering one stupid file would be so damn hard
[18:12] <phillw> Hiig: I've skim read the article and with the instructions and plenty of screen shots, you should be okay :)
[18:12] <Hiig> like i said, i cannot access via the IP
[18:12] <Hiig> something must be wrong on the windows end
[18:14] <phillw> that article does also cover how to set up windows, which is what I needed to see to ask you to look at it.
[18:15] <Hiig> file sharing wont turn on, amongst other things. windows is just messed up
[18:15] <Hiig> i thought it was going to be a straightforward process
[18:20] <phillw> Hiig: as it appears to an issue at the windows end? I cannot help. SAMBA is not my strong area, and I've never used it on a windows install. Sorry :(
[18:20] <Hiig> ahh no worries. im looking into web servers instead
[18:21] <cerebrate> i wanna run fallout tactics on my laptop ;s;
[18:22] <phillw> Hiig: you may ask on #ubuntu-server someone there may be familiar with using it.
[18:22] <cerebrate> uh :x i think it runs winee 1.5 on lubuntu :I
[18:22] <Hiig> cheers
[18:23] <cerebrate> o/ :D
[19:17] <KneferilisHome> hello
[19:18] <KneferilisHome> I installed lumuntu in virtual box and it finished installation and now it is trying to shut down, but it is taking it too long
[19:18] <KneferilisHome> any ideas?
[19:18] <jjpintor> force it
[19:20] <KneferilisHome> jjpintor: what if that ruins it?
[19:21] <KneferilisHome> it just finished installation and it wants to reboot
[19:26] <KneferilisHome> is this normal behaviour?
[19:26] <KneferilisHome> it takes long to reboot?
[19:27] <KneferilisHome> after it installs?
[19:27] <wxl> KneferilisHome: has it rebooted yet?
[19:27] <wxl> …or is it still trying to shut down?
[19:27] <KneferilisHome> wxl: it is still trying to shut down
[19:28] <wxl> KneferilisHome: then remove the (virtual) cd (the iso file) and hit enter and see what happens.
[19:28] <wxl> KneferilisHome: if nothing there, just pull the plug on the vm and boot it up. it'll work.
[19:29] <jjpintor> as wxl said. do it
[19:29] <KneferilisHome> wxl: no cd, ok thanks
[19:29] <KneferilisHome> I will do it now
[19:29] <wxl> KneferilisHome: well whatever you used to install it
[19:29] <wxl> eject it
[19:29] <wxl> you don't want the restart to cause it to boot to that again
[19:29] <wxl> typically the install process ends in a restart. before it restart it says to eject installation media and hit enter. and THEN it restarts.
[19:30] <jjpintor> do you know how to automate workspace switching?
[19:30] <wxl> so that a particular program opens on a particular workspace?
[19:30] <KneferilisHome> jjpintor: no, I don't
[19:31] <KneferilisHome> so, it worked and it booted
[19:31] <KneferilisHome> why powering it off, didn't ruin the installation?
[19:33] <KneferilisHome> thanks for the tip for the automation
[19:34] <wxl> KneferilisHome: cuz the install's already done
[19:34] <wxl> restarts don't have a lot of value in linux XD (( except for kernel updates ))
[19:34] <KneferilisHome> XD?
[19:35] <wxl> um
[19:35] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon
[19:36] <wxl> better yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticons
[19:37] <wxl> <コ:彡


[15:53] <phillw> wxl: please ping me back when you have a some free time. ubuntu-GNOME are restructuring their structure and your knowledge of changing lubuntu-qa into lubuntu-devel at the LP level would be greatly appreciated as they look to similar tasks.