[00:40] <studio-user629> hello
[09:46] <studio-user549> Hi there, while trying ubuntustudio I
[09:47] <studio-user549> Get prompted for user and password at login
[09:47] <studio-user549> Is there a standard login? Thx
[18:00] <eagles0513875> hey all
[18:01] <eagles0513875> sakrecoer: hey  hey :)
[21:48] <JTa> anybody from socal here?


[00:24] <keithzg> Guess whatever the default setup is in ubuntu-server doesn't cut it these days? (This is a 14.04 server). Installed ntpd, now offside is down to about 4 thousandths of a second.
[00:25] <keithzg> Although my guess would be that ntpd still ships as default and I just did something weird when I installed and set up this server last year, heh.
[00:28] <sarnold> I think ntpdate ships as default..
[00:29] <keithzg> sarnold: Yeah, ntpdate was already installed, but doesn't that have to be run manually, or at least manually added to some cron job?
[00:29] <sarnold> there's a discussion here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-October/038512.html
[00:29] <sarnold> keithzg: yeah. if ntpdate hand't been run recently that could explain the three minutess..
[00:32] <keithzg> sarnold: Ah, makes sense then, ntpdate probably only runs on reconnection to networks and such, eh? The half-year uptime of this server since last time I admitted I should probably apply kernel updates is plenty of time for drift ;)
[00:33] <sarnold> keithzg: hehe yeah, three minutes of drift in half a year makes sense..
[01:39] <Patrickdk> sarnold, here is something you might like
[01:39] <Patrickdk> http://google/
[01:40] <sarnold> Patrickdk: you know I tried that earlier today.. and just got my localhost http server
[01:40] <sarnold> $ host google.
[01:40] <sarnold> google has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:40] <sarnold> google mail is handled by 10 your-dns-needs-immediate-attention.google.
[01:40] <Patrickdk> oh ya
[01:40] <sarnold> what on earth gave me -that- response? :)
[01:40] <Patrickdk> stupid wildcard
[01:40]  * Patrickdk isn't thinking clearly
[01:42] <Patrickdk> suprised they don't have a webpage on that though
[01:43] <sarnold> it feels like they should
[01:43] <sarnold> why buy a tld for $180k USD and then only use it for a gimmick like com.google? :)
[02:19] <keithzg> Well, $180k is chump change for Google, and it gives them the option in the future if they ever decide to use it.
[02:20] <keithzg> Right now people (somewhat rightly) are distrustful of these new domains, so they probably figure it isn't worth comitting to what they'll do with it yet.
[02:27] <Patrickdk> heh? google has already ate like 30 tld's
[02:27] <Patrickdk> most of them make sense
[02:27] <Patrickdk> about 10 of them are just pure greedy
[02:27] <Patrickdk> ads, dad, ...
[02:28] <Patrickdk> and the whole .dev and some of the other tlds that are for internal usage only
[05:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:02] <mdev> whoever does the apache distro for ubuntu, how can I get them to disable apache indexing by default?
[07:02] <mdev> is really a big security issue and no reason it should be enabled, yet it always is on fresh ubuntu server installs
[07:02] <mdev> it lists files/directories in your htdocs folder /var/www/html in the end users browser if no index.php or index.html exists
[07:03] <OpenTokix> mdev: The default only export /var/www
[07:03] <mdev> probably can list the same even if they do exist
[07:03] <OpenTokix> mdev: how is that a security issue?
[07:03] <mdev> because end users don't need to see any of those files?
[07:03] <OpenTokix> mdev: My question still stands, what are the security implications?
[07:03] <mdev> if you're running a website you don't need all your web files listed
[07:04] <mdev> what the security issues? many...users could potentially access files they should be because they can see a full list of everything
[07:04] <mdev> if you stored certain information in a hidden_log_3939495.txt for instance
[07:04] <OpenTokix> mdev: They can still access all the files, regardless if they are indexed or not
[07:05] <OpenTokix> What you are talking about is security by obscurity
[07:05] <mdev> I had one client who stored transaction info in his web directory, using long obscure names that one couldn't guess but wouldn't need to if they were listed by freaking apache...
[07:05] <OpenTokix> And that is not security
[07:05] <mdev> and security via obscurity is security, regardless of what people say
[07:05] <OpenTokix> mdev: Your client are doing dumb stuff, - And that isnt apache default configs fault
[07:05] <OpenTokix> no, its not
[07:06] <mdev> Open every ubuntu vps install i've seen has apache with indexing enabled by default
[07:06] <mdev> apt-get install apache, or it installed via php
[07:06] <mdev> so clearly it's whoevers running that repo
[07:06] <mdev> obscurity is security, 1000%
[07:06] <OpenTokix> no
[07:07] <mdev> if you go bury a treasure chest full of gold in your backyard, is it secure from theives? absolutely
[07:07] <mdev> if they don't know it's there...
[07:07] <OpenTokix> ...
[07:08] <mdev> but if you broadcast and tell everyone you buried it there, similar to apaches indexing
[07:08] <mdev> then no it's not secure...
[07:09] <OpenTokix> mdev: you are wrong in so many ways, I dont have enough button presses before I have to switch keybords of mechanical fatigue. - So have fun with your endevors
[07:10] <mdev> even if you truely feel that way, which I doubt
[07:11] <mdev> there's no huge reason to have indexing enabled by default anyway
[07:11] <mdev> if users want it on they can enable it, but the average user, having it on, is security risk
[07:12] <mdev> so whoever maintains the apache repo for ubuntu please consider disabling it
[07:13] <mdev> some other distros don't have it enabled
[07:43] <rbasak> mdev: I see no case here to change the default, but will follow Debian's default. If you want to file a bug with them to change the default, go ahead.
[07:43] <lordievader> mdev: I suppose you should file a bug, if you really feel strongly about it.
[07:43] <rbasak> mdev: I see no point though. Files placed in a server configured for static serving of files are expected to be public. If you don't want to share the files, don't put them in /var/www.
[07:44] <rbasak> OTOH, if you do put files in /var/www, the implication is that you do want to make them public. Why else would you put them there?
[07:44] <rbasak> Not providing automatic indexes don't help whether the files are accessible or not anyway.
[07:46] <rbasak> OTOH, I find automatic indexing really useful. I can use a public area to dump files that others can discover and access.
[07:54] <skylite> im using dhclient eth2 command to get an IP from my dhcp server. Server gets the request and sends back a dhcp offer but my client wont accept it and keeps asking for an IP from the dhcp server  (isc-dhcp) any ideas? I dont see any other entries in the dhcp log
[08:00] <skylite> ok it seems its a network issue
[09:20] <arcsky> hey, my syslog/messages are empty files, where is my logs?
[09:22] <replman> Hi! I have a svn repository on my ubuntu 12.04 server and access it by https through apache. I setup a location in http conf with authtype basic and require valid-user. Everything works so far. Now i want to give access to a specific repository path to another user. Adding this user to my AuthUserFile gives him full access. What's the best way to restrict the access?
[09:49] <replman> Ok, looks like i have to use AuthzSVNAccessFile. My location in http conf is <Location /svn/repo>, int the acl file i have a [Test:/customer/acme/project1/trunk]. If i try to access the repo through<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i get a forbidden error. What is the correct url?
[15:11] <rbasak> niedbalski: looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~niedbalski/ubuntu/vivid/rpcbind/fix-lp-1430181/+merge/253260 now
[15:18] <strikov> rbasak: hey, i have a question regarding mysql apport bug
[15:18] <rbasak> strikov: sure
[15:20] <cohonen> yo guyas
[15:20] <strikov> rbasak: essence of the issue is that mysql doesn't generate crash reports by default
[15:20] <strikov> rbasak: it handles all the crashes internally w/o letting kernel/apport know about them
[15:20] <strikov> rbasak: this behavior can be changed by my.cnf though
[15:21] <cohonen> so removing resolvconf (which pissed me off) will result in removing ubuntu-minimal
[15:21] <strikov> rbasak: do we want generating crash reports enabled by default?
[15:21] <cohonen> is ubuntu-minimal a pseudo package or will this break my system ?
[15:21] <rbasak> strikov: I think we're talking about two types of "crashes". My issue was with postinst failures, which I guess isn't related to changes in my.cnf?
[15:22] <rbasak> strikov: so "ubuntu-bug /usr/sbin/mysqld" should use the apport hook, for example.
[15:22] <rbasak> cohonen: to stop using resolvconf, I think you can just replace /etc/resolv.conf with a regular file and it'll leave you alone.
[15:22] <strikov> rbasak: okay, i'll check this path as well; i'm currently testing with sigsegv
[15:23] <cohonen> rbasak: im pretty sure it wont
[15:23] <cohonen> also editing interface has NO  EFFECT!@!!!!
[15:23] <cohonen> which 99.8888% of ubuntu forums suggests
[15:23] <rbasak> cohonen: https://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[15:23] <cohonen> rbasak: let me verify
[15:24] <cohonen> rbasak: yes, that one will work, EXCEPT, it still appends the ISP DNS servers
[15:24] <cohonen> I dont want ANY dns servers other than the ones i choose
[15:25] <cohonen> not ISPs
[15:25] <cohonen> not googles
[15:25] <cohonen> just the ones i pick
[15:25] <cohonen> and resolvconf doesnt seem to let you do anything other than prepend or append to crap i get from whatever dhcp server answers
[15:26] <cohonen> i know i can probably edit some dhclient thing
[15:26] <cohonen> but why do i have to,, i just want resolvconf to go the way of the dodo
[15:26] <rbasak> cohonen: I'd say that's a matter of configuration of your DHCP client, not resolvconf. Of course disabling resolvconf will disable it too, but that doesn't feel like the correct place to configure what you want to me.
[15:26] <rbasak> I'm quite happy with resolvconf.
[15:26] <cohonen> /etc/resolv.conf IS THE PLACE
[15:27] <rbasak> /etc/resolv.conf is fine for static DNS configuration.
[15:27] <cohonen> i just get tired of crap trying to the me where to get my IPs from
[15:27] <rbasak> It doesn't work well for dynamic environments - such as a laptop.
[15:27] <cohonen> rbasak: which is what i want
[15:27] <rbasak> cohonen: and you can have what you want, but you're expected to know how to configure the bits you need.
[15:27] <cohonen> rbasak: i does if you know good dns servers and youre not in a  stazi country or network
[15:28] <cohonen> rbasak: so,, back to my original question
[15:28] <cohonen> if i remove resolvconf, dpkg tells me, ill remove that AND ubuntu-minimal ALSO
[15:28] <rbasak> ubuntu-minimal is a metapackage.
[15:28] <cohonen> so, doesnt do anything ?
[15:28] <rbasak> You might break release upgrades, but no your system shouldn't really break apart from that.
[15:29] <cohonen> okey,,, hmmm
[15:29] <rbasak> However, understand that you're going "off piste", so any future bugs or issues caused by doing this are down to you.
[15:29] <cohonen> btw,, its on ubuntu server, on my toy servers
[15:30] <cohonen> why is it wierd that i want a 100% self managed dns there ?
[15:30] <cohonen> even if i use dns (my isp forces me to)
[15:30] <cohonen> dns / dhcp
[15:32] <rbasak> It's odd that you want DHCP but not DNS from DHCP.
[15:32] <rbasak> If you just wanted a static IP and static DNS, you can do that with dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces and everything would lbe fine.
[15:32] <cohonen> well, i admit its not the most common
[15:32] <rbasak> So it seems to me that what you really want is to configure dhclient to not take DNS.
[15:33] <cohonen> no no i tried messing with /etc/network/interfaces
[15:33] <cohonen> hmm
[15:33] <cohonen> i think i have to look into dhclient
[15:33] <cohonen> rbasak: yes it seems so
[15:33] <cohonen> sigh
[15:33] <cohonen> rbasak: reason is that my IP is external but not 100% static
[15:34] <rbasak> Get a better ISP :)
[15:34] <cohonen> better would mean digging a fiber myself
[15:34] <cohonen> its pretty good as it is, just has a few annoyances
[15:36] <rbasak> niedbalski: I'm not sure that bug 1430181 is appropriate to fix in an SRU or during feature freeze in Vivid (without an exception).
[15:36] <rbasak> niedbalski: seems to me that TCP binding is a new feature because the switch is documented to support UDP only.
[15:37] <rbasak> niedbalski: the patch looks pretty extensive too.
[15:40] <cohonen> rbasak: okey i guess the best solution is to edit the dhclient, that seems to work, very tempted to set up a xattr to lock the file
[15:43] <cohonen> rbasak: yea , the solution is to NOT request dns-nameserver domain search etc via dhclient
[15:44] <cohonen> thanks
[15:44] <cohonen> later guys
[15:44] <rbasak> cohonen: no problem
[15:44] <rbasak> cohonen: thinking about it...
[15:44] <cohonen> ???
[15:44] <rbasak> cohonen: I think that with resolvconf disabled, dhclient is probably writing to your /etc/resolv.conf.
[15:44] <cohonen> it makes sense sorta,.
[15:44] <rbasak> I could be wrong though.
[15:44] <rbasak> So removing resolvconf might not have helped you here anyway.
[15:44] <cohonen> that what it seems like
[15:45] <rbasak> So maybe rage a little less at resolvconf? :)
[15:45] <cohonen> i kindof want to reinstall resolvconf just to be close to a normal ubuntu install
[15:46] <jrwren> cohonen: I think resolvconf may help you more than hurt you. It makes it easy to override dhcp's dns settings.
[15:47] <cohonen> jrwren: well , i see that it has options to all resolvers for interfaces
[15:47] <cohonen> it just another complexity i dont like
[15:48] <jrwren> cohonen: I used to agree, then I learned it, saw the problems it solves and embraced it.
[15:49] <cohonen> jrwren: yea , i had the same experience with firewalld on rhel/fedora clients
[15:49] <jrwren> cohonen: to override nameservers for dhcp on eth0, run: echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> | sudo resolvconf -a eth0
[15:50] <cohonen> jrwren: anyway, i reinstalled minimal and resolvconf
[15:50] <cohonen> jrwren: and that will be the only dns server then
[15:50] <jrwren> cohonen: you can later remove with sudo resolvconf -d eth0
[15:50] <jrwren> cohonen: I do not think it will be the only, but it will be first, so unless it is down it will be only one used.
[15:50] <cohonen> jrwren: and that setting is persistent across boots ?
[15:51] <cohonen> jrwren: hmm okey, thats like the head file
[15:51] <jrwren> cohonen: unsure, I tend to run ephemeral server instance, so I don't reboot
[15:51] <cohonen> i dont reboot much either, but i want to be able to trust as much state as possible
[15:52] <cohonen> jrwren: i still belive that in my particular usecase the answer was to kick dhclient in the face and tell him NO DNS !
[15:53] <jrwren> cohonen: why is that?
[15:53] <jrwren> cohonen: my isp provides poor dhs too :)
[15:53] <cohonen> mine too
[15:54] <cohonen> and im not gonna use googles even if it gave free BJs
[15:54] <jrwren> was just an example I used :)
[15:54] <cohonen> so i have a list of freedom respecting DNS servers
[15:54] <jrwren> what are these freedom dns?
[15:55] <cohonen> jrwren: yea, they were clever , getting <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:55] <cohonen> jrwren: well 2 are small providers
[15:56] <cohonen> 2 are opendns which are obviously not so cool
[15:56] <cohonen> but i count on that losing the first 2 is rare
[16:10] <strikov> smoser: i just found out how to make canonistack faster; due to some reason m1.large gets much faster i/o than m1.small which significantly increases performance; that looks like something wrong but it works :)
[16:14] <smoser> stnice.
[16:28] <strikov> rbasak: this looks like a correct crash report, right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10724987/
[16:29] <rbasak> strikov: yes that looks good
[16:29] <strikov> rbasak: that's what i get with the hook copied to the right place; basically: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10724996/
[16:30] <strikov> rbasak: we had this file in .files before but switched mysql-server from dh_movefiles to dh_install which required .install
[16:30] <rbasak> strikov: does "ubuntu-bug /usr/sbin/mysqld" generate a report? When I tried it, it hung forever.
[16:30] <strikov> rbasak: yes, in a few moments
[16:30] <rbasak> strikov: OK. It's much simpler than I thought then. Sorry!
[16:31] <strikov> rbasak: okay :)
[16:31] <strikov> rbasak: you owe mean one really painful bug though
[16:31] <strikov> *me
[16:32] <rbasak> :)
[16:33] <strikov> rbasak: and returning back to sigsegv dumps; is it expected that they are not going through apport?
[16:56] <samba35> i am using ubuntu 14.04 with ssh i want to change default ssh port to 5123 but when i change it is not able to change port it always show 22 , i make changes in sshd_configu port 5123
[17:14] <bekks> samba35: Chaneg the port and restart the sshd daemon.
[17:35] <strikov> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/init-system-helpers/+bug/1439793
[17:35] <strikov> rbasak: not sure if it worth fixing but want to let ubuntu-devel guys know about that corner case
[17:38] <samba35> bekks: thanks i was makeing some mistake with service restart i was using /etc/init.d / method to restart the service but now with service ssh restart it work
[17:38] <samba35> thanks
[17:41] <bekks> samba35: For sshd, that actually doesnt matter :)
[17:42] <samba35> you mean for starting service ?
[17:44] <bekks> samba35: Yes.
[17:44] <samba35> but unfortunately it did not work for me
[17:45] <samba35> but service xx restart work
[20:40] <wiredfool> I've got an older server running trusty w/ a 4 disk raid 10 setup, initially setup on 500gb disks but now on 1tb due to several single drive failures + rebuilds. I'd like to convert it to a 2 drive raid 1, using the currently unpartitioned space, and free up two disk trays for ssds.
[20:42] <wiredfool> current mirror is /dev/md1.  I'm thinking of making a new degraded raid 1 mirror, /dev/md2, with /dev/md1 as it's only member. Then reboot for that to be /. then I'll tail out one of the drives, repartition it, and add it to /dev/md2 and let it rebuild. Then when that's good, I'll fail /dev/md1 out of the array, fail one more drive out of it, and add it to /dev/md2, and let it rebuild again.
[20:44] <wiredfool> then I should have a working raid1 set, and a pair of drives that still have the same data (if I'm lucky and fail the correct drive on the second try).
[20:44] <wiredfool> Is this a workable plan, or is it totally daft?
[20:49] <parallel21> I have a directory that has a size of 0 and I am unable to delete it
[20:49] <parallel21> Unable to cd into it either
[20:54] <JanC> parallel21: permissions?
[20:57] <JanC> wiredfool: you'd have to pastebin more specific info, but failing disks in a RAID system to re-use them for something else is certainly possible
[20:59] <parallel21> JanC: Doing this as root
[21:00] <teward> is there any harm on my local computer to edit the ownership of files in /etc/bind for my bind server for my user to own it, and bind group to have access as well?
[21:00] <sarnold> teward: if you don't mind your web browser being able to edit those files.. :)
[21:01] <JanC> parallel21: did you run fsck on the file system?
[21:01] <teward> sarnold: given that this system is encrypted out the wazoo and the password is complex enough that I have to plug in a yubikey just to actually enter the password when prompted... :P
[21:01] <teward> sarnold: it's a local bind9 instance for local IPs only on the system (for the VMs on the host only subnets xD)
[21:02] <sarnold> teward: hehe, I figured you weren't actually going to run firefox on your dns systems :)
[21:02] <teward> sarnold: indeed.
[21:02] <sarnold> teward: but I saw an opportunity for a joke and had to take it :)
[21:02] <teward> sarnold: THOSE are on separate servers xD
[21:02] <teward> sarnold: indeed.
[21:02] <teward> sarnold: i meant from a runtime perspective if things'll break - setgid on the directories would enforce group ownership xD
[21:02] <wiredfool> JanC: is there a way to tell which disks are paired in a mdadm raid10?
[21:03] <sarnold> teward: should be fine, just so long as bind can read them
[21:04] <JanC> wiredfool: I never used mdadm raid10, so don't know for sure, but I assume there is
[21:04] <teward> sarnold: indeed, g+r is still in place, and the directory is set o+s g+s, with MYUSER:bind as the ownership
[21:05] <JanC> I've done it with a raid1 though
[21:05] <teward> s/o+s/u+s/
[21:08] <wiredfool> I could add in a second partition on one drive that I'm going to keep, prior to failing out the first drive, and then watch the iostat to see what's reading and what's writing.
[21:10] <JanC> wiredfool: I'm pretty sure mdadm can tell you what devices are used for what purpose?
[21:39] <wiredfool> JanC: not in a manner that's obvious -- http://pastebin.com/6hH14K3a
[21:44] <JanC> wiredfool: the "layout" parameter should be useful
[21:55] <JanC> wiredfool: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_MD_RAID_10#Linux_MD_RAID_10
[21:58] <JanC> looks like /dev/sda3 & /dev/sdb3 are part of 1 mirror, and /dev/sdc3 & /dev/sdd3 of the other
[22:00] <JanC> so you can fail one device in each mirror
[22:08] <wiredfool> ok, if running code matches wikipedia


[21:39] <ino> http://images.tw.creative.com/images/corporate/artwork/hires_prodikeyspcmidiusb.jpg
[21:59] <amin_> Salam Alaykoum


[04:05] <smspillaz> lamalex: pong
[04:23] <lamalex> smspillaz, does compiz have any a11y support at all?
[04:26] <smspillaz> lamalex: yes it has some, but it depends on what you are after
[04:26] <smspillaz> lamalex: we have a color filtering plugin (for colorblindness) and also a zoom plugin which does stuff like focus tracking and the like
[04:26] <lamalex> smspillaz, do you know if it loads the atk-bridge?
[04:26] <smspillaz> no it doens't
[04:26] <lamalex> ok
[04:26] <smspillaz> there was work to make it do that, but, hm
[04:27] <lamalex> I think it makes more sense for compiz to load the bridge than unity
[04:27] <smspillaz> I can't add GNOME or KDE centric dependencies to compiz plugins though, so we'd have to make a wrapper plugin which loads the bridge and calls relevant actions rather than loading it into those plugins itself
[04:28] <lamalex> are plugins in separte processes?
[04:28] <smspillaz> lamalex: no, they are loaded into core
[04:28] <lamalex> yah ok that's what I thought
[04:28] <smspillaz> well, loaded as dl objects
[04:28] <lamalex> right, that should be fine seeing as the atk-bridge is dlopen'd itself
[04:29] <smspillaz> lamalex: BTW, there are a bunch of d-bus related warnings in unity - do you think it's possible to fix those ?
[04:29] <lamalex> im sure it's possible..
[04:29] <smspillaz> ok
[04:29] <smspillaz> might want to do it before A1 ;-)
[04:29] <lamalex> im in no shape to do anything like that- my dbus is so messed up right now
[04:29] <smspillaz> oh, they are actual code warnings from the compiler
[04:30] <smspillaz> eg, wrong use of gchar, reference to undefined functions etc
[04:30] <lamalex> ah
[04:30] <lamalex> from my branch?
[04:30] <smspillaz> no, from lp:unity
[04:32] <lamalex> it's the weekend, but I will try and look on Monday
[04:32] <smspillaz> ok
[05:20] <ssj6akshat> Cimi, you happy with you own tag now?
[06:46] <coz_> good day all
[07:04] <coz_> vish,  are you available?
[07:21] <vish> coz_: hey..
[07:21] <coz_> vish,  hey guy :)
[07:21] <coz_> vish,  smspillaz  tells me that this channel will become the support channel for unity ..yes?
[07:22] <vish> coz_: yup..
[07:22] <coz_> vish,  cool... well..since I am support for compiz...would anyone mind if I sit in and help ?
[07:22] <vish> coz_: nope.. :)
[07:22] <coz_> vish,  very cool :)
[07:23] <coz_> vish,  of course I have to install the darn thing before that happens :)
[07:23] <vish> yea..
[07:23] <coz_> :)
[07:23] <coz_> vish,  hope I didnt bother you  or interupt anything
[07:23] <vish> coz_: i think unity is broken atm, [thats what i heard yesterday],.. might wanna wait a bit..
[07:24] <vish> coz_: nah.. np  :)
[07:24] <coz_> vish,  yeah I am not in a big hurry to install just yet... i will wait maybe for beta 2  or something
[07:24] <coz_> vish,  its not going to be a big difference in support
[12:04] <ssj6akshat> People are screaming 'Will it be available in Software Center?' on every post on ubuntugamer
[12:04] <ssj6akshat> fact ^^
[12:25] <sense> ssj6akshat: That is good news for the Software Centre! Do you know whether the game developers who want to have their games in Software Centre are able to get that done?
[12:27] <ssj6akshat> sense, would love to know how to get software in software center
[12:27] <mhr3> Cimi, ping
[12:28] <ssj6akshat> can't find the procedure(is it the right word?) for getting a paid app into software center anywhere
[12:36] <sense> ssj6akshat: I'm not sure. I don't know whether <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviews> applies to non-free applications as well. If you're interested, try to contact Jorge Castro, he can point you to the right person.
[12:37] <spikeb> this is really something that should be easy to find.
[12:37] <sense> yes
[12:37] <ssj6akshat> sense, jorge hangs out in #omg!ubuntu! so that should be painless :)
[12:37] <sense> good
[12:43] <spikeb> brb
[15:11] <vish> i think we need an ask.jorge.com
[15:11] <jcastro> I am on a roll today!
[15:11] <cjohnston> lol
[15:12] <spikeb> haha
[15:12] <cjohnston> hey jcastro
[15:12] <vish> nah, seriously.. so that people can just ask the question and jorge can get back later on..
[15:12] <jcastro> hi
[15:12] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/15123/why-are-two-indicator-network-versions-being-worked-on
[15:12] <jcastro> I love this question
[15:12] <jcastro> because I am wondering that too
[15:12] <vish> like the question above regarding how to gets paid apps in SC
[15:12] <vish> others would like to know as well..
[15:13] <jcastro> oh, I am not sure, I think mvo would know?
[15:13] <sense> That really should be clearly visible.
[15:13] <jcastro> it should indeed
[15:13] <sense> Big links to that kind of information on u.com
[15:13] <jcastro> sense: I suspect there's a reason it's not obvious
[15:14] <jcastro> but yeah, that would be a good question to ask on Ask
[15:14] <sense> jcastro: Yeah, Canonical is smart enough to know a page with information can be useful. :) It is probably not fully done or ready yet.
[15:14] <jcastro> sense: that's what I would guess
[15:14] <vish> ssj6akshat: ^ ask on ask.u.c that is a nice question.. someone will get back to you..
[15:15]  * spikeb has a suggestion for an immutable page on the wiki and no idea where to make said suggestion
[15:19] <sense> Compiz crashed again, and restarting it with 'compiz --display :0' on tty1 doesn't work.


[02:44] <dmcglone1> Hi all
[02:44] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone1
[02:44] <dmcglone1> Unit193 get your problem sorted out?
[02:44] <Unit193> No :(
[02:44] <Unit193> Don't think I will ever get them tabs back....
[02:44] <dmcglone1> did you finally give up?
[02:45] <Unit193> Sorta... now just finding the tabs...
[02:45] <dmcglone1> read it later plugin might be useful for you
[02:45] <Unit193> Found one that backs open tabs up
[02:47] <dmcglone1> cool
[02:47] <Unit193> Bit late...
[02:48] <dmcglone1> true :-/
[02:49] <dmcglone1> I'll probably turn in early tonight, I was up at 3:30am this morning
[02:49] <Unit193> The site done?
[02:50] <dmcglone1> absolutely
[02:50] <dmcglone1> :-)
[02:50] <dmcglone1> He loves it
[02:50] <Unit193> That's great! Be right back
[02:50] <dmcglone1> ok
[02:51]  * dmcglone1 wants to start jogging every day
[02:58] <Unit193> For fun or need?
[02:59] <dmcglone1> both
[02:59] <dmcglone1> I'm so out of shape
[03:01] <dmcglone1> Well I'm going to get off here and relax
[03:02] <Unit193> Good rest!
[03:02] <dmcglone1> I'll catch ya'll later
[04:27] <Cheri703> wow that was a longer evening than I'd anticipated...
[04:29] <canthus13> Eh?
[04:30] <Cheri703> left house at 5:30 for ubuntu hour, stayed at panera til about 7:40, went to friend's sister's house to fix her internet connection issues with her blu-ray player, left there at 10, went to walmart, got home about 20 min ago :/  and woke up at 7:15 today
[04:30] <Cheri703> had planned to be home by 9 at the latest -_-
[04:39] <paultag> pleasent evening Cheri703
[04:40] <paultag> how goes, frendo?
[04:40] <Cheri703> yeah, overall
[04:40] <Cheri703> eh, lots of craziness at the moment, some of which I thought I'd already resolved :/
[04:43] <paultag> :(
[04:43] <Cheri703> yeah, but must press on
[04:45] <canthus13> Cheri703: If your boss balks at your contract requirements again, hand her your resignation wrapped around something phallic, with a jar of vaseline.
[04:45] <Cheri703> heh, well, the contract requirements will be the resignation...
[04:45] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:45] <Cheri703> I worked 2 additional weeks in good faith that she'd be coming back to the table with something remotely reasonable
[04:46] <Cheri703> and this ain't it


[05:42] <ariabbas> .
[07:05] <Kilos> morning africa
[07:06] <Kilos> hi ariabbas  thanks for joining our mailing list
[07:20] <Kilos> hi elacheche
[07:20] <Kilos> you and your messages in irc
[07:21] <Kilos> you must use QA  its easier for both of us
[07:21] <Kilos> QA  tell elacheche  QA is here for messages and meeting minutes etc
[07:21] <QA> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell elacheche on freenode
[08:10] <elacheche> Hey Kilos !
[08:10] <QA> elacheche: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell elacheche QA is here for messages and meeting minutes etc" 48 minutes and 48 seconds ago
[08:10] <elacheche> OK QA & Kilos x) :D
[08:10] <Kilos> see
[08:11] <elacheche> What's wrong with luna Kilos ?
[08:11] <Kilos> she works kiff, we tested her last night
[08:11] <Kilos> she is offline again elacheche
[08:12] <elacheche> o_O
[08:12] <Kilos> laziness is a big thing in tunisia i see
[08:12] <Kilos> energy food is the answer
[08:14] <elacheche> hahahaha :D :D You better tell here that by yourself :) :D I work 30min from home, so when I go home I still have some energy to do some stuff.. She works 2hours from home with our shitty transportation systems, when she's home she's totally exhausted..
[08:14] <Kilos> oh my
[08:16] <elacheche> :)
[08:17] <Kilos> also fitness helps
[08:17] <Kilos> you two should have a job daily
[08:17] <Kilos> jog
[08:19] <Kilos> QA  seen lunapersa
[08:19] <QA> Kilos: lunapersa was last seen 1 day, 9 minutes and 32 seconds ago in #ubuntu-africa on freenode [2015-06-10 08:10:03 UTC], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-06-10 16:34:01 UTC
[08:19] <elacheche> BTW, we work in the same building :) :D
[08:19] <Kilos> lol
[08:20] <elacheche> I'm trying to get the habit of jogging soon..
[08:20] <elacheche> I'm really aware that I need to move my a** out this chair and workout, otherwise am slowly killing myself :(
[08:23] <Kilos> yeah
[08:23] <Kilos> do you people swim there
[08:24] <Kilos> swimming is the best excercise
[08:24] <Kilos> and breathing properly
[08:25] <elacheche> Yea of course.. :) :D
[08:25] <elacheche> We live in the coast :)
[08:25] <Kilos> then good to have a daily swim
[08:28] <Kilos> better than jogging imo, but doing both is even better
[08:29] <elacheche> :D
[08:36] <Kilos> how old are you elacheche  ?
[08:36] <Kilos> how young
[08:39] <elacheche> almost 26 Kilos :)
[08:40] <Kilos> nice, i was jobbing 5 ks and swimming 1k at that age
[08:40] <Kilos> hi lin
[08:40] <lin> Hey Kilos
[08:42] <elacheche> That inspires me :)
[08:42] <Kilos> good
[08:42] <Kilos> but tbh i was also surf lifesaving then
[08:43] <Kilos> so fitness was a must
[08:48] <elacheche> :)
[08:48] <elacheche> I need to save my own live as well
[08:50] <Kilos> haha
[09:24] <Kilos> lin  have you joined our mailing list?
[09:24] <lin> ummmm...
[09:24] <lin> not sure...
[09:24] <Kilos> you can get to it from http://ubuntu-africa.info
[09:31] <lin> hmm...no info on the ML on that site
[09:33] <Kilos> where it says join us
[09:38] <Kilos> im looking but cant find it either, will try get you an easier way
[09:38] <Kilos> elacheche  ping
[09:39] <Kilos> lin https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[09:40] <Kilos> there should be a join buttom here i think
[09:42] <lin> All done.
[09:42] <lin> kthnxs
[09:42] <elacheche> pong Kilos
[09:42] <elacheche> Kilos, do we have a mailing list? :D x( x)
[09:43] <lin> lol
[09:44] <elacheche> Ah Kilos :D I'm already subscribed :D But we have so much activiy so I can't keep syncronized with it :D :p
[09:44] <Kilos> yes man
[09:44] <Kilos> i forgot how to get to it
[09:44] <Kilos> i thought it showed on the site
[09:45] <Kilos> as soon as you over your fast period we can start to get things moving
[09:45] <Kilos> and plan our first meeting etc
[09:46] <Kilos> get luna to join the mailing list as well, and neo
[09:48] <Kilos> ah lin was that you?
[09:49] <Kilos> dennis?
[09:51] <lin> Yes
[09:51] <lin> That was me..
[09:51] <Kilos> cool
[09:51] <lin> d000d
[09:52] <Kilos> i think we did the mailing list after building the site , so we need to still sort that out
[09:57] <Kilos> elacheche  dont flood freenode man
[09:58] <elacheche> Internet problems Kilos :(
[09:59] <Kilos> lol
[10:01] <Kilos> lunapersa  welcome back
[10:01] <lunapersa> hello Kilos
[10:01] <lunapersa> i'm @ work now :D
[10:02] <Kilos> lunapersa  yeah shame. when you have time will you join our mailing list please
[10:02] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[10:03] <elacheche> Kilos, she's here :) tell her all that you want to :)
[10:04] <elacheche> inetpro, you too x)
[10:04] <Kilos> haha
[10:04] <Kilos> lunapersa  i have been told to advise you to eat energy food and do some swimming and jogging
[10:06] <lunapersa> :D
[10:11] <lunapersa> hey Kilos what's the lastest news
[10:12] <Kilos> not much new here except elacheche  is trying to get someone else to sort a map, so he can rest more
[10:13] <Kilos> he gets very lazy at times, i was hoping you can rev him up a bit
[10:13] <elacheche> l00000l Kilos :D
[10:13] <Kilos> lol
[10:14] <elacheche> Am just trying to make that boy more involved :) After this weekend I'll start working on it and hacking the scripts :) → I have a last exam this Sunday so I need to focus on it :p :)
[10:15] <Kilos> no rush elacheche  do your important things first
[10:15] <Kilos> and good luck with the exam
[10:16] <elacheche> Thanks.. what's exactly I'll need for that special exam.. Luck :D
[10:16] <Kilos> no man
[10:16] <Kilos> preparation
[10:18] <elacheche> Yeah that's too :D But luck is the most important thing :D I was so prepared last semester for the same exam by the same teacher.. I got 8/20.. I had one of the highest marques in my class x)
[10:18] <elacheche> They think that ma genius because I got that 8 x(
[10:30] <Kilos> eish, prepare even better man. 18/20 is better
[10:32] <elacheche> :)
[10:37] <Kilos> you only get out what you put in
[10:37] <Kilos> so go for it full steam
[12:57] <elacheche> O/ again
[14:04] <elacheche> QA
[14:04] <elacheche> QA help
[14:04] <QA> elacheche: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[14:04] <QA> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[14:04] <elacheche> QA help me with delivering messages
[14:04] <QA> elacheche: I use the following features for delivering messages: memo, remind and summon
[14:04] <QA> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[14:05] <elacheche> QA, how do I use memo
[14:05] <QA> elacheche: Keeps messages for people. You can use it like this:
[14:05] <QA>   my messages
[14:05] <QA>   message <number>
[14:05] <QA>   my messages for <person> [on <source>]
[14:05] <QA>   (tell|pm|privmsg|msg|ask) <person> [on <source>] <message>
[14:05] <QA>   forget my (first|last|<n>th) message for <person> [on <source>]
[14:05] <elacheche> QA, tell kilos take a look at this dude → http://senseopenness.com/membership-board-member-interviews-chris-wayne/
[14:05] <QA> elacheche: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[14:22] <Kilos> im back elacheche
[14:23] <Kilos> who is that chris guy, have we seen him in the board meets
[14:23] <elacheche> Yep :) He was there :)
[14:23] <Kilos> whats hi nick?
[14:23] <Kilos> his
[14:24] <elacheche> cwayne
[14:24] <Kilos> oh yeah cool
[14:26] <elacheche> :)
[14:29] <Kilos> elacheche  how come his interview thing got to that link?
[14:33] <elacheche> That's belkinsa's blog :)
[14:33] <Kilos> aha
[14:34] <Kilos> is she going to put all of ours there too?
[14:34] <elacheche> I guess so
[14:34] <Kilos> cool
[14:34] <Kilos> i should have embellished more on mine
[14:35] <elacheche> You should do the same for AFRICA
[14:35] <Kilos> my future contribution should be , to keep nagging everyone to do better
[14:35] <elacheche> You should publish Ubuntu Africa interviews in you blog!
[14:35] <Kilos> nono you do it
[14:35] <Kilos> you you you
[14:36] <Kilos> ill ask luna to help you
[14:36] <Kilos> hee hee
[14:36] <elacheche> l0000l
[14:36] <elacheche> I'll do that for my LoCo
[14:36] <Kilos> what loco
[14:36] <Kilos> 3 peeps
[14:37] <elacheche> Nope.. We ahave some historical members :)
[14:37] <elacheche> Don't underestimate us :) :D
[14:37] <Kilos> are they still active?
[14:38] <Kilos> i want to see a loco like you see in za
[14:38] <elacheche> No, but am plannign to get them back :)
[14:38] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:39] <Kilos> tell them to come meet the crazy za guy
[14:39] <elacheche> :D :D
[14:40] <elacheche> If one day our "father" will be online I'll ask him to come here.. He's busy running an association about Free Culture (including FOSS)
[14:40] <Kilos> ok
[14:41] <Kilos> mail them all, peeps always read their mails
[14:41] <Kilos> when is your fast over?
[14:41] <Kilos> so we can organise a meeting
[14:41] <Kilos> luna can be chair
[14:43] <elacheche> by mid-July
[14:43] <Kilos> whew
[14:43] <Kilos> thats long
[14:43] <elacheche> it starts next week.. It's just 1 month :)
[14:45] <Kilos> maye after that forget coffee all together and drink fruit juice and/water
[14:46] <Kilos> you get addicted to cafeine too easy
[14:47] <elacheche> l0000000000l..


[21:32] <MarkDude> Alterconf coming to Dublin in August, Talks by July http://www.alterconf.com/conferences Great event :)


[00:40] <zh1> wlx i did upgrade twice add to use these pair of commands cause wasnt giving just on -d, sudo do-release-upgrade -d -p /y on first and sudo do-release-upgrade -d /y on second upgrade, did this on a vm
[00:40] <zh1> *had
[00:40] <wxl> `sudo do-release-upgrade -d` didn't work?
[00:41] <zh1> on first no
[00:42] <zh1> i had to test all this on a vm cause am gonna send these pair of commands to a friend with lubuntu
[00:43] <zh1> i had to do on first  sudo do-release-upgrade -d -p /y
[00:43] <wxl> try one and if not, then try the toher
[00:44] <zh1> all is alredy done was just trying to understand why that option didnt work
[00:44] <zh1> at that time
[00:44] <wxl> hard to say why
[00:44] <wxl> it's strange
[00:44] <zh1> yes
[00:44] <wxl> but -p is the fallback if it doesn't work
[00:44] <wxl> i think there are things the main ubuntu guys need to set up to allow -d to work
[00:46] <zh1> on second upgrade just the -d worked
[01:07] <zh1> wxl will it be relevant to do apt-get update upgrade before release upgrade or should i straight go to do-release-upgrade?
[01:08] <wxl> apt get is part of it zh1
[01:10] <zh1> so i should do use it
[02:16] <krytarik> zh1: Please be aware that the "-d" flag you got suggested upgrades the system to the current *development* version, rather than the next *released* version in the available upgrade path.
[08:58] <just4humans> hi all
[11:41] <nuubee> Hi, can someone please advise me on what protection I need if I use online banking? I have gwfu firewall enabled but am unsure if I need anything else
[17:53] <Tournevis> salut
[20:09] <Xpas> bonjour
[20:41] <Gyndawyr> hey guys
[20:42] <Gyndawyr> I've just installed lubuntu and generally speaking I am loving this
[20:44] <Gyndawyr> I've got numerous problems as well, but right now the biggest one is that my audio signal is giving me shedloads of bass
[20:44] <Gyndawyr> and I don't know how to tell it to not do that
[20:45] <Gyndawyr> I right-clicked on the speaker button and looked through "Volume Control settings" but messing around in there didn't fix anything
[20:54] <Gyndawyr> turns out my headphones work fine... so how do I tell lubuntu not to splerg with 2.1 speakers?
[20:57] <testdr> Gyndawyr: what are "shedloads of bass"? Are you a heavy blockbuster booster fan?
[20:58] <Gyndawyr> what?
[20:58] <Gyndawyr> I'm saying that my speakers are acting as if the bass dial is turned up 100%
[20:58] <testdr> Gyndawyr: yeah, what? If your headphones are working, sound fine - why should the other output be bad?
[20:59] <Gyndawyr> Either the speakers have broken (sad times for me) or the computer's telling the subwoofer part of these 2.1 speakers to "Go 100%!"
[20:59] <testdr> Gyndawyr: are you using the wrong soundcard-output? Are you using an amplifier with different "sense"
[21:00] <Gyndawyr> Naaw it should all work through the "green" port
[21:00] <testdr> Gyndawyr: so you are using soundcard output for: front-speaker, subwoofer and back-speakers?
[21:01] <Gyndawyr> I'd call it left, right & center
[21:01] <testdr> Gyndawyr: if so - the alsamixer should show the output-lever of the subwoofer-channel and can be tweaked there
[21:01] <Gyndawyr> master, front, and PCM are the only options which do anything
[21:02] <testdr> Gyndawyr: start alsamixer in an terminal(xterm, lxterminal) and read about it usage. Check for the subwoofer channel and if you can pull up/down the level
[21:02] <Gyndawyr> wait I just notices LFE and "Side" are also turned up to full
[21:03] <testdr> Gyndawyr: you may never have adjusted anything
[21:03] <Gyndawyr> brb while I mess with those :)
[21:07] <Gyndawyr> Master, PCM, and Front all mute *everything*, and Surround, Center, LFE etc all do nothing
[21:08] <Gyndawyr> Master, PCM, and Front all mute *everything*, and Surround, Center, LFE etc all do nothingi can see
[21:08] <Gyndawyr> there is no subwoofer channel that I can see*
[21:13] <testdr> Gyndawyr: you are joking? You plugged in a subwoofer? Maybe its called "center"
[21:14] <holstein> Gyndawyr: i would test the hardware before going on..
[21:16] <Gyndawyr> it's gonna be an effort to find more 2.1 speakers...
[21:16] <holstein> just come out of linux stereo
[21:17] <holstein> Gyndawyr: just plug those speakers into something else..
[21:17] <holstein> Gyndawyr: dont trust those labels, either..
[21:17] <Gyndawyr> hahaha I have nothing else!
[21:17] <Gyndawyr> I think I've got an old mp3 player somewhere that I can try
[21:18] <holstein> Gyndawyr: im just saying, try  *everything*.. the labels dont have to be correct.. since the manufacturer of your hardware likely didnt provide alsa team any info
[21:19] <testdr> Gyndawyr: holstein is speaking about the channels in alsamixer - those naming may not what you might expect
[21:19] <Gyndawyr> the motherboard is an AT3N7A-I
[21:19] <Gyndawyr> and IIRC it worked with arch linux w/LXDE
[21:19] <holstein> Gyndawyr: i would *confirm* that "it" worked, and check the kernel and alsa versions from arch..
[21:22] <Gyndawyr> okay the speakers are farting bass out of this mp3 player as well
[21:22] <Gyndawyr> it's not lubuntu's fault
[21:22] <holstein> Gyndawyr: so, now you know.. you can try repairing or replacing the hardware.. or looking into a warranty.. cheers!
[21:23] <Gyndawyr> yeah they must have got damaged since I last used them :(
[21:23] <Gyndawyr> next thing: drivers for an EDUP N-1557 wireless USB - do they exist?
[21:24] <testdr> Gyndawyr: you are shure those speakers and their amplifiers have no tone-switch? Or loudness-switch?
[21:24] <holstein> !wifi | Gyndawyr
[21:25] <Gyndawyr> I've got the volume on 100% and it's still not very loud, and I've got the bass dial on about 5%, because at 0% there is no sound at all
[21:25] <Gyndawyr> bass is stuck on full - I blame either playing terrorcore at 100% volume to piss off my neighbours, or having damaged the wire/connector
[21:25] <holstein> Gyndawyr: i typically just plug the wifi devices in and test them, and keep in mind, that the companies dont state or promise linux support in any wsay
[21:25] <holstein> way*
[21:26] <Gyndawyr> I threw away the box it came in and the driver disc doesn't mention what it works with
[21:26] <Gyndawyr> in other words, it'll be windows only :P
[21:26] <holstein> i then search for help (if it doesnt work) by the chipset, and also, keep in mind that devices like that are *quite* cheap these days, and consider purchasing with linux support in mind
[21:28] <holstein> Gyndawyr: you can run "lsusb" and see if the device is being recognized.. then, "ifconfig" and see what is referenced, if anything...
[21:31] <Gyndawyr> it doesn't appear to be there on libusb
[21:31] <Gyndawyr> lsusb*
[21:32] <holstein> Gyndawyr: then, you havse *much* larger issues, i say.. like, is the USB port broken? or supported? or turned on in the bios.. etc..
[21:32] <holstein> does *anything* work in that USB port? anything that ideally, is known "good" and supported by linux..
[21:32] <Gyndawyr> it's saying the USB port is there, just with nothing in it I think
[21:33] <Gyndawyr> sure, I think... I'll have to unplug either my *working* wireless USB or my keyboard to confirm, brb
[21:33] <holstein> Gyndawyr: sure.. but "it" is just doing what the command is intended to do. "it" is not magic, or a test. or proof that the hardware (usb port) is working, or on in the bios
[21:34] <Gyndawyr> yeah my keyboard works in the slot that had the EDUP thing in a moment ago
[21:34] <holstein> i would take the USB wifi device to a supported operating system.. a windows machine.. i would see that it works. then, i would know the hardware is able to work.. then, i would work with the hardware til i see it in "lsusb".. then, search by chipset
[21:34] <Gyndawyr> I just think it's these EDUP wireless things are shite, and it's not lubuntu's fault again...
[21:35] <holstein> Gyndawyr: anytime you say "think".. just try and think of a test that can make you certain..
[21:35] <Gyndawyr> the "Tenda wireless USB" (says it's actually Railink RT5370 in lsusb) is working fine
[21:35] <Gyndawyr> but the EDUP claimed to be 300Mbps instead of 150 when I bought two of them -_-
[21:35] <holstein> i mean, if you have a pile of those laying around, just use the one that works..
[21:36] <holstein> Gyndawyr: *neither* likely promise linux support..
[21:36] <Gyndawyr> yeah, but the 'Tenda' one worked out of the box, so either Railink or the linux community did their job :)
[21:37] <holstein> Gyndawyr: the
[21:37] <Gyndawyr> I'm chuffed with this lubuntu, anyway
[21:37] <holstein> "linux community" can try to reverse engineer.. or, the drivers or specs can be released, allowing software to me included
[21:37] <holstein> Gyndawyr: i have literally no idea what "chufffed" means..
[21:37] <Gyndawyr> the volume control software is ugly looking, and I don't get why there's no *noob* way to put home & my computer on the desktop...
[21:38] <holstein> Gyndawyr: lxde is not advertised as "new user freindly".. its light. and light comes with compromises
[21:38] <Gyndawyr> in British slang, being "chuffed to bits" means to be happy with something
[21:38] <holstein> "ugly" is a matter of opinion, but, the goal is not "pretty".. the goal is light
[21:39] <Gyndawyr> lxde is light, but also feature rich
[21:39] <holstein> well, some consider it a nice balance..
[21:39] <Gyndawyr> If I wanted a taskbar which did not support transparency, I'd go with LXDE or whatever the hell damn small linux uses
[21:39] <Gyndawyr> XFCE*
[21:40] <holstein> you can use whatever "panel" or dock you like
[21:40] <holstein> wbar is a nice light one that can be configured as one pleases
[21:42] <Gyndawyr> well anyway, I've gone through numerous distributions over the years; ubuntu, kubuntu, debian, arch, and all I was looking for is one that is both easy to use, light, and customizeable
[21:43] <holstein> well, i think you'll do better when you realize *all* of those are relative, and a matter of opinion
[21:43] <holstein> what you consider easy to use, can be challenging for others..
[21:43] <Gyndawyr> well I have friends who stick to windows and avoid linux "cuz inconvenient" and if they see the advantages of this... perhaps they will convert :)
[21:43] <holstein> i say, you'll do well to just choose one "thing", like XFCE, or LXDE, or mate, or whatever, and just learn it.. inside out
[21:44] <holstein> the advantages of choice?
[21:45] <Gyndawyr> I'm gonna have to go if I want to eat today, but my point is - lubuntu is great - thank you!
[21:45] <holstein> enjoy


[15:06] <jjesse> to fix a bug automatically what is the syntax in the bzr commit
[15:06] <jjesse> is it fixes bug # or what ?
[15:48] <jpds> bzr commit --fixes lp:NNNNN
[18:08] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: any low hanging fruit not being worked on?
[19:13] <mdke> jjesse: as with what jpds said except it's --fixes=lp:NNNN
[19:14] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: I'm not sure, to be honest. The best I can suggest is to scour the bug reports :)
[19:15] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: Ah I looked but didnt find any that arent being looked at. So I just thought id ask
[19:16] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: there might be some more substantial things to get your teeth into; I know that we need better bluetooth documentation, if you happen to be a bluetooth guru :) alternatively perhaps you could help out with Kelvin's newtoubuntu plans
[19:18]  * bencrisford__ would like some low hanging fruit too mdke :)
[19:18] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: the newtoubuntu stuff sounds right up my alley
[19:19] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Is there anything I can help you with the newtoubuntu docs?
[19:19] <mdke> awesome
[19:19] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: if he isn't around on irc, maybe send an email
[19:19] <Shane_Fagan> Ah whats the address?
[19:20] <KelvinGardiner> I'm here
[19:20] <Shane_Fagan> Oh good
[19:20] <bencrisford__> the mailing list is at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:20] <bencrisford__> but i see you dont need it now :)
[19:20] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: I've put a draft spec at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KelvinGardiner/NewToUbuntuDocs (I was just getting the address)
[19:21] <bencrisford__> KelvinGardiner: I'll help out too if you like
[19:22] <KelvinGardiner> Have a look a let me know what you would like to do.
[19:22] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Thanks ill have a look
[19:22] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: cool
[19:22] <bencrisford__> so its a section of the system docs for karmic
[19:22] <bencrisford__> ?
[19:23] <Shane_Fagan> bencrisford__:  Yes
[19:23] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: Yes. Its all the docs for new users. Some other section of the system docs may need expanding as well.
[19:23] <bencrisford__> ah, cool
[19:25] <bencrisford__> KelvinGardiner: How does a section about emulation software sound to you?
[19:25] <bencrisford__> because I could do that
[19:25] <KelvinGardiner> One thing I'd like to sort out is the structure of the moving from windows / os x to Ubuntu pages. I think a FAQ will be best.
[19:25] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: wine?
[19:25] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: I could do 6.1 Commons Applications+
[19:26] <bencrisford__> KelvinGardiner: For using windows applications in ubuntu
[19:26] <Shane_Fagan> bencrisford__: Thats wine
[19:26] <bencrisford__> i know
[19:26] <bencrisford__> thats what im explaining :)
[19:26] <bencrisford__> lol, im confused :P
[19:26] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: ok. Can you add yourself on the wiki page.
[19:27] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Sure will do
[19:27] <bencrisford__> KelvinGardiner: Want me to have a look at the moving from windows sections?
[19:27] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: A short page on wine would be good.
[19:27] <bencrisford__> i could put about wine in there
[19:27] <bencrisford__> as a sub-section
[19:28] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: I'd like to get a list of issues for the moving from windows pages (looking a the forum etc) before starting it. Put if you have any ideas add them to the wiki.
[19:28] <bencrisford__> ok
[19:28] <mdke> I think wine is likely to be for more advanced users
[19:29] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: I've had a quick chat with the beginners team about the winodws page and want to talk to them again.
[19:29] <mdke> it's not so much for people who are new to Ubuntu
[19:29] <bencrisford__> ok
[19:29] <bencrisford__> well if there is any section you want me to help with, im always on here
[19:31] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: ok, keep an eye on the mailing list. I'll be sending updates to it.
[19:31] <bencrisford__> olk
[19:31] <bencrisford__> ok*
[19:34] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: I may need some help with the mac OS equivalents of the programs
[19:36] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: ok, I have a macbook, but I've not used os x for some time. I can boot it and check the names of the apps.
[19:37] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Cool
[19:46] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Ill make a table with columns for ubuntu windows and mac. Ill list the programs and their equivalents on each platform. I have one question though. Should I include Banshee in the list or should I just mention the default programs?
[19:48] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: I think it best just include default apps. But, I think there is session on including Banshee as the default music player at the Karmic UDS.
[19:49] <Shane_Fagan> Id be a +1 for that but I cant go :(
[19:49] <Shane_Fagan> Ok its in progress I might have some of it done by tomorrow
[19:51] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan:  Are you writing it in docbook? If so I've set up a bzr branch on lp you can push to.
[19:52] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Yep, ill research it first and then write it up in docbook. Whats the lp branch ?
[19:53] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: https://code.launchpad.net/~kelvingardiner/+junk/newtoubuntu
[19:54] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: I've not hosted a branch on lp before. I think I have to approve the push. If it doesn't work let me know.
[19:54] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Ok ill get back to you when I have something
[19:55] <KelvinGardiner> ok, thanks for helping out.
[19:57] <mdke> KelvinGardiner: if the branch is owned by you, which it is in that case, then only you can push to it
[19:58] <KelvinGardiner> mdke: Can I not subscribe someone else to it?
[19:59] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Even if you subscribe to it you cant upload to it unless you own it
[19:59] <mdke> KelvinGardiner: in launchpad subscribe just means that they get emails with the changes that are made, not a right to push to it
[19:59] <mdke> KelvinGardiner: you could change the ownership of it to ~ubuntu-doc, but see my email of today about that
[20:01] <KelvinGardiner> mdke: What about if I get patches and apply them to my branch. Is this a better solution?
[20:02] <Shane_Fagan> That would work
[20:02] <mdke> KelvinGardiner: that would probably work better because then you can review the patches, and you will be a kind of gatekeeper for contributions to the work
[20:02] <mdke> then, all we need to do is to review the quality of the end product
[20:03] <KelvinGardiner> mdke: ok, sounds sensible, thanks.


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[05:28] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <jtaylor> hm can someone try syncing python-scipy? its not working for me
[07:43] <jtaylor> which is weird, other packages work
[08:03] <Laney> not working how?
[08:05] <mitya57> I've just synced it (waiting for a mail)
[08:08] <mitya57> Laney: still no mail, probably it didn't work
[08:11] <mitya57> It definitely did *not* work (though syncpackage reported that request succeeded).
[08:17] <Laney> I forgot how to check the logs
[08:18] <Laney> erm
[08:18] <Laney> you guys https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[08:55] <dholbach> can you all please help out review the incoming sponsoring items? there's 94 of them right now.
[09:18] <dupondje> Hi. Small question. trying to build a package for etch (yea I know, crappy outdated). But I get 'E: Release signed by unknown key (key id B5D0C804ADB11277)
[09:18] <dupondje> any idea how to say 'ignore that, just fetch it' :)
[09:19] <dupondje> thats with pbuilder-dist btw
[09:21] <dupondje> --debootstrapopts --no-check-gpg it was :)
[09:23] <Rhonda> dupondje: You could add the key with apt-key?
[09:31] <dupondje> but then I need a base already ?
[09:31] <dupondje> anyway, base tgz created, but now it doesn't build:   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: autoconf but it is not installable
[10:01] <wookey> talk plugin not working in friefox - switching to chromium


[06:46] <Mirv> ScottK: looks ok, I'll wait for sitter's patches and then start landing.
[07:27] <soee> good morning
[08:46] <sitter> Mirv: sorry, I totally forgot to commit the patches on friday ->  https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src-netrunner15/+merge/250586
[09:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:21] <soee> Riddell: ping me when you have a moment
[09:28] <Mirv> sitter: thanks!
[09:28] <Mirv> sitter: conflicting, though, like it shows on that page, since scott pushed some directly :) not hard to fix though
[09:34] <Riddell> hi soee
[09:37] <soee> Riddell: how do you like simplified website design like they have here: https://www.apple.com/pl/osx/ where we have several sections with big image and a bit of text ?
[09:55] <sitter> Riddell: libksysguard master just bumped the soversion a second time in the 5.3 cycle, you might want to have a chat with the dev to only bump once per cycle regardless of how many BIC there are?
[09:57] <Riddell> mm ok
[09:58] <Riddell> soee: I like it a lot, it's quite a fashionable style currently and it's how the test.kubuntu.co.uk website is
[09:58] <Riddell> hi sebas, get home ok?
[09:58] <sitter> Riddell: oh and don't make him revert the bump now, I am already changing all the versions in the packaging
[09:58]  * sitter actually wonders why we can't simply have a substvar for soversion >.<
[09:59] <sebas> Riddell: safe and sound :)
[09:59] <Riddell> Gregor Mi, I don't know the guy
[10:02] <soee> Riddell: cool because i want to do the promo site with the same style, simple, a lot of images to show system and its apps etc.
[10:02] <soee> so my previous concept changed a bit :-)
[10:18] <sitter> Mirv: thanks <3
[10:19] <Mirv> I think I can mark that qtbase landing "desktop only" since it's only xcb+qwidget... and not go through the complete testing
[12:14] <soee> kded5 gone mad again :<
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:22] <lordievader> soee: ping
[13:29] <soee> lordievader: pong
[13:29] <lordievader> soee: You use activities in Vivid, right?
[13:29] <soee> lordievader: nope, they are broken atm.
[13:30] <lordievader> Hmm, here they work. But super + tab to switch is broken.
[13:31] <soee> lordievader: my bug report @ activities https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343630
[13:31] <soee> lordievader: whats wrong with the shortcut ? i think thers no such shortcut atm. like was in KDE4
[13:32] <soee> lordievader: you can only create shortcuts to each activity, but you cant switch prev/next atm.
[13:32] <lordievader> There is here, but it does nothing.
[13:34] <soee> lordievader: i hope my problem will be fixed when Scarlett finish work on 5.2.1 :)
[13:38] <lordievader> :D
[13:52] <sgclark> morning
[13:54] <lordievader> Hey sgclark
[13:55] <soee> hiho
[14:04] <soee> sgclark: any chance to have 5.2.1 today ? :)
[14:07] <sgclark> soee: sure hope so.. had to put them in ninjas due to rejects. was up late last night doing so, just need some coffee...
[14:08] <soee> sgclark: cool, ping me if ready for tests
[14:08] <sgclark> will do
[14:09] <sgclark> good news is all compiled, looks like a few new symbols is all I need to do
[14:09] <Riddell> thanks sgclark :)
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> Hello world
[14:10] <Riddell> sgclark: and muon translations
[14:10] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin
[14:11] <sgclark> yeah just saw that
[14:11] <ovidiu-florin> I'm restarting the apache server on the docs server in 10 minutes. Please let me know if I need to postpone
[14:12] <Riddell> mgraesslin: should we also package a snapshot of libprison for klipper barcodes in plasma 5.2?
[14:12] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what exciting things are you working on?
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> Can't tell you
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> it's a state secret :P
[14:12] <Riddell> gosh
[14:12] <mgraesslin> Riddell: from Klipper point of view: yes, please. From prison point of view: please ask Sune as well
[14:13] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thank you for the domains
[14:15] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: speaking of state secrets my brother is playing the dark tourist and going to see the surpringly modest grave of Nicolae Ceausescu http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/10940997_10155251992710187_7116699301856337803_n.jpg
[14:16] <Riddell> sgclark, sitter, anyone: anyone remember why we don't build-dep plasma-desktop against qalculate?
[14:16] <ovidiu-florin> I sense a hint of sarcasm when you say modest
[14:17] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: the grave looks pretty modest, certainly in comparison to that nutty palace in the capital
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> nutty?
[14:17] <sitter> Riddell: because we have no qt5 qalculate
[14:17] <sgclark> Riddell: I have no clue on that
[14:18] <Riddell> I'm being polite
[14:19] <ovidiu-florin> nutty? http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/happytreefriends/images/4/4e/Nutty.jpg/revision/20101023225706
[14:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yeah, a bit crazy
[14:22] <ovidiu-florin> restarting Apache
[14:23]  * Riddell holds breath
[14:23] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you know you don't have to restart it if you change the config, you can just reload it?
[14:23] <Riddell> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
[14:23] <Riddell> should work
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> KABOOOM: http://kubdrup.kubuntu.co.uk/
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu site clone
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I know
[14:23] <Riddell> gosh
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> but In case something went wrong, I've thought it's would be better to let you know
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> with errors on the new page
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: who's the decapitated dude from the T-shirts picture?
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> http://kubdrup.kubuntu.co.uk/news/kubuntu-shirts
[14:26] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: stock photo stolen from suppliers at https://www.hellotux.com/
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> oh, any other news about the T-shirts I made?
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> Good, bad, ungly?
[14:29] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: good but I think the comments were too white
[14:29] <ovidiu-florin> we can change the color
[14:29] <Riddell> some people said they wouldn't wear or buy a white t-shirt except for use under something else
[14:29] <ovidiu-florin> I just want to know if we will collaborate with these guys in the future
[14:30] <Riddell> we being me, I'm happy to if I end up organising t-shirts next fosdem
[14:30] <Riddell> you'd need to ask seaLne if you wanted to suggest the same for akademy
[14:31] <Riddell> but aye, all worked great as far as I'm concerned thanks very much for sorting
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> I'll ask the guys to make ma an offer of KDE goodies of all sorts
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> and see where we get
[14:36] <sgclark> Riddell: PackageKitQt5 ? don't see it
[14:38] <Riddell> sgclark: ignore for now, I think it's only needed for kicker (the alternative menu) doing automatic app install
[14:38] <Riddell> and packagekit is a nightmare to package (ironic you might say)
[14:38] <sgclark> lol k
[14:38] <Riddell> and I was told it would use muon by now anyway or something
[14:41] <sgclark> hmm odd, oxygen_kwin_deco translations are in the install file but showing as list-missing..
[14:42] <Riddell> hi manchicken, did you get a chance to look into muon?
[14:43] <manchicken> Not yet. I've forgotten what we're looking into... qt5 port?
[14:43] <manchicken> I've spent a lot of time traveling and then on the road lately with my dad.
[14:44] <Riddell> manchicken: I think I saw a film about that once, were you traveling in a lawn mower?
[14:44] <Riddell> manchicken: the main issue is working out what needs to be done to get the release upgrade notifications working
[14:45] <manchicken> Hah!
[14:45] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[14:45] <manchicken> Is there a test plan for that already which is failing?
[14:46] <Riddell> manchicken: nope, it would need making one
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell manchicken are you planning to code something in muon Discover?
[14:46] <Riddell> manchicken: it needs installing vivid then convincing it that vivid+1 is released to see if there's notification
[14:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: hopefully not, I believe the notification is in but not in the 5.2 branch
[14:46] <manchicken> ovidiu-florin: muon-notifier is what I thought we were playing with.
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> I want to change something in Discover
[14:47] <ovidiu-florin> fix the tasking system
[14:47] <Riddell> manchicken: both notifier and discover I think have the notifications
[14:47] <ovidiu-florin> add some scrolls, a better progress bar
[14:47] <ovidiu-florin> a cancel button
[14:49] <manchicken> Okay, I don't think we'll be playing in the same space.
[14:49] <ovidiu-florin> oh, ok
[15:20] <Riddell> ScottK: I take it I need a FFe to add libprison to klipper plasma5 (it hasn't been used in plasma5 before but it had in plasma4)
[15:22] <ScottK> Riddell: yes, but consider this your IRC FFe approval and go forth.
[15:23] <sgclark> Riddell: all done except I am quite perplexed on the oxygen translation files... it is listed in the .install file...
[15:24] <Riddell> ScottK: pleasingly beurocratic free :)
[15:25] <Riddell> sgclark: ok I'll look in a minute
[16:04] <Riddell> sitter: all new frameworks for ci loving http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/prison.git/
[16:05] <sitter> Riddell: make a kubunt_unstable branch please
[16:05] <sitter> *kubuntu_unstable
[16:06] <Riddell> sitter: voila
[16:08]  * sitter runs script
[16:09] <ovidiu-florin> jose: ping
[16:11] <sitter> Riddell: what's the upstream branch for that?
[16:11] <sitter> master?
[16:13] <Riddell> sitter: frameworks
[16:13] <sitter> meh
[16:16] <Riddell> sitter: and you're wrong about qalculate, it's a c++ library no qt around, it just needs a build-dep on glib-2.0 for plasma-workspace to find it
[16:16] <sitter> oh
[16:17] <sitter> fancy name then xD
[16:18] <Riddell> sitter: release upgrade seems to work with your qt5 version but I keep running out of disk space so can't really confirm :)
[16:19] <sitter> make it bigger? ;)
[16:28] <ScottK> I saw the headline "Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 404" and my first thought was the newsletter was missing.
[16:28] <Riddell> :)
[16:38] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma-workspace uploaded with prison and libqalculate added
[16:48] <Riddell> sgclark: oxygen is fine, we don't build oxygen_kwin_deco now but the translations are still included and installed
[16:48] <Riddell> there's no easy way to add that to not-installed because the wildcard doesn't work there
[16:52] <Riddell> sgclark: kwin symbols still need some sorting?  otherwise fine to upload
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: kwin is fine now
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: me upload or you?
[17:08] <ovidiu-florin> http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/ quick feedback please
[17:08] <ovidiu-florin> ignore the menu on the top
[17:08] <Quintasan> Too plain I guess.
[17:09] <Quintasan> And too big
[17:09] <shadeslayer> who wants to backport KF5 to utopic!
[17:09] <ovidiu-florin> I mean ignore how many there are
[17:09] <shadeslayer> I'll buy them beer at Akademy :p
[17:09] <Quintasan> Jesus christ, I don't even know how our kf5 packaging works
[17:10] <Quintasan> I feel so useless
[17:10] <shadeslayer> magic and unicorns
[17:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Akademy is in July?
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: don't worry, rails will fix that :D
[17:10] <shadeslayer> I think so
[17:10] <Quintasan> >rails
[17:10] <Quintasan> lol
[17:10] <shadeslayer> xD
[17:10] <Quintasan> How is that even relevant
[17:10] <Quintasan> I can hopefully attend.
[17:10] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:10] <Quintasan> We use CI for KF5 right?
[17:10] <shadeslayer> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?user=kubuntu-bugs&period=month
[17:10] <shadeslayer> funsies
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes and no
[17:11] <Riddell> sgclark: go ahead
[17:11] <Quintasan> err
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we're building master branches of all KF5 and Plasma
[17:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'm not going to like the detailed answer to that, right?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> but releases still happen to be built from tars
[17:11] <Quintasan> Oh, so that's not really different
[17:11] <shadeslayer> well
[17:11] <shadeslayer> translations and shite
[17:11] <Quintasan> With the exception of PN being dead
[17:12] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: another all new website? are you wanting to supplant bukai's one at http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/ ?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Me and Mr. Sitter need to write tooling so that CI adds translations
[17:12] <shadeslayer> might actually be easier for my CI since I already use tars to build stuff
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh did I tell you, we have PN for Debian now
[17:12] <shadeslayer> sorta
[17:12] <Quintasan> You didn't but I've seen that
[17:12] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:12] <shadeslayer> :3
[17:12] <shadeslayer> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?user=kubuntu-bugs&period=month
[17:13] <shadeslayer> oh I already pasted that
[17:13] <shadeslayer> boogs ^^
[17:13] <shadeslayer> in case anyone cares
[17:13] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: so are we sticking with that theme?
[17:14]  * Quintasan is going to throw his own into the fray
[17:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: anyway, at some point in the future, we're going to hit buttons on the CI and it'll upload a release to launchpad or whatever
[17:14] <Quintasan> So no more tarballs?
[17:14] <ovidiu-florin> jose: ping
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no, it'll fetch tars from download.kde.org and upload them to launchpad
[17:15] <shadeslayer> but for now it's all done by hand
[17:15] <shadeslayer> down to 4 failing jobs \o/ : http://dci.pangea.pub/job/frameworks/view/Failing/
[17:15] <shadeslayer> I'm awesome
[17:15] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I remember us havin a discution about that theme at FOSDEM
[17:15] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: someone needs to take the lead in finishing off whatever needs done, it seems a shame for bukai to have done lots of work and it not be used but mostly it needs someone to work out what to do and do it
[17:18] <sgclark> shadeslayer: did you find someone for kf5 backport?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> sgclark: no
[17:18] <_Groo_> hi guys
[17:18] <shadeslayer> that beer is waiting for someone to drink it
[17:18] <sgclark> shadeslayer: i'll do ti
[17:19] <shadeslayer> sgclark: thanks!
[17:19] <_Groo_> what happened to ksysguardd in ci?
[17:19] <sgclark> n, look forward to the beer :)
[17:19] <shadeslayer> sgclark: basically, we got a SRU exception for KF5, so that we can backport it to the release
[17:19] <_Groo_> its broken aparently
[17:19] <sgclark> ok
[17:19] <shadeslayer> *the last stable release
[17:19] <shadeslayer> sgclark: so kind of sad that we have 5.7 in 15.04 but 5.3 in 14.10 : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/karchive
[17:20] <sgclark> eek
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ where do we land SRU's ?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> staging, updates and then SRU seems like the right flow
[17:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I agree
[17:23] <shadeslayer> sgclark: right so, upload first backport here : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging
[17:23] <shadeslayer> then move to Kubuntu updates https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:23] <shadeslayer> and then if people don't complain in 2-3 days, just upload for SRU
[17:24] <shadeslayer> I'm not even sure if we have a  upgrade path from 5.3 to 5.7
[17:24] <shadeslayer> I sure hope so
[17:24] <Riddell> worth testing
[17:24] <Riddell> incase of overlapping files
[17:24] <shadeslayer> sgclark: ^^
[17:25] <Riddell> s/worth/needs/ :)
[17:25] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[17:34] <sgclark> Riddell: shadeslayer okies
[17:35] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so are you wanting to finish off the new kubuntu website for 15.04 and are you wanting to use bukai's work or ignore it?
[17:35] <ovidiu-florin> one moment
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> so
[17:37] <ovidiu-florin> I want the site up and running by 15.04
[17:38] <Riddell> great :)
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> I'll organize a Kubuntu sprint on wednesday with a friend (or a few)
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> and take a look into bukai's theme
[17:38] <Riddell> ooh?
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> review it
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> and see what needs to be done
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> and hopefully convice a friend to maintain it
[17:39] <Riddell> sounds like a plan
[17:39] <ovidiu-florin> I'll blog post about it (if it happens)
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> and if I can't find a maintainer for that theme, I wouldn't risc using it
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'll also make a web conference on Jitsi, please attent if you can, durring that sprint
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> anyone can join in
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> we'll talk mostly in romaninan, but will translate or switch to english if someone joins
[17:41] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sounds impressive
[17:41] <Riddell> what time/day?
[17:44] <shadeslayer> ok, I'm off
[17:44] <shadeslayer> cya tomorrow
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> at around 19 Romania time, when I get home from work
[17:52] <seaLne> Riddell: ovidiu-florin i plan to get akademy stuff from http://www.freewear.org/ this year
[17:52] <seaLne> i normally use them when in spain
[17:54] <seaLne> always been happy with them
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> https://trello.com/c/ul4P3WfT/9-server-stuff
[17:55] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: Doing :: Server stuff ++ OB, JAR]
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> seaLne: ask them to update the Konqi picture
[17:58] <ovidiu-florin> seaLne: nice products
[17:58] <ovidiu-florin> are they located in spain?
[17:58] <seaLne> yeah
[17:58] <seaLne> think it is almost entirely the one guy that runs it
[17:59] <seaLne> the stuff on their website is a bit old and generic though
[17:59] <seaLne> design wise i mean
[18:20] <sgclark> Riddell: I sent you some .dsc that need to be signed, I do not yet have the rights to upload. have to run out for a feww, bbl
[18:20] <ovidiu-florin> http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/azE8V9b_700b.jpg
[18:21] <ScottK> sgclark: What don't you have the rights to upload?  Let's fix that.
[18:23] <Riddell> sgclark: nothing in my e-mail
[18:27] <ScottK> Riddell: If you add any packages sgclark can't upload and then give me a ping, with my DMB hat on I can run the packageset update script and that should be enough to get her permissions.
[18:31] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi riddell are you there?
[18:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: could you rebuild ksysguard in ci with the new 7 libs? ksysguard is still using 6 version and its broken right now
[18:35] <Riddell> _Groo_: I asked it to build now http://kci.pangea.pub/view/vivid_unstable/job/vivid_unstable_ksysguard/
[18:35] <Riddell> hopefully that'll do the right thing
[18:42] <_Groo_> Riddell: tks :)
[18:42] <_Groo_> theres also a problem with kwin
[18:43] <_Groo_> lets see if its ksysguard related
[18:44]  * Riddell out
[18:50]  * soee in
[19:02] <_Groo_> could someone take a look at the newly build ksysguard at ci
[19:02] <_Groo_> its still pointing to the wrong libs
[19:02] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8UcdlC6o
[19:03] <_Groo_> it should be libksgrd7, libksignalplotter7 and so on
[19:03] <_Groo_> still conflicts with the new libs
[19:10] <ScottK> Riddell: I got a mail from sgclark on the missing permissions.  I'll fix it.
[19:34] <sgclark> ScottK: thank you
[19:35] <ScottK> Still working on it.
[19:35] <sgclark> np
[20:29] <ScottK> plasma-workspace-wallpapers fixed.
[20:29] <ScottK> Something went awry with oxygen-qt4.
[20:29] <sgclark> ok
[20:32] <debfx> I wish the language kcm would set LC_MESSAGES. Different language and regional setting is somewhat broken right now.
[20:34] <Quintasan> ScottK: Do you remember at which UDS Harald decided to dress up Plasma as Unity and post it to identi.ca saying we switched to Unity?
[20:34] <ScottK> I don't.
[20:35] <ScottK> It was probably the first one where Canonical introduced Unity since it's easy to do.
[20:35] <Quintasan> Gotta ask the man himself probably.
[22:09] <ScottK> sgclark: oxygen-qt4 should be fixed now too.
[22:22] <sgclark> ScottK: thanks :)
[22:28] <sgclark> shadeslayer: kf5 frameworks backport uploaded to next-staging. I will keep an eye on the builds
[22:28] <shadeslayer> cheers