[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: morning mate
[10:52] <kernelpanic_> Hello! I just downloaded vivid-desktop-amd64.iso and want to install it without installing a bootloader. So I'd like to start "ubiquity --no-bootloader". My problem is that in plain install mode, ubiquity is started without "--no-bootloader" and with mir and unity8 running in live mode, I don't know how to start ubiquity at all.
[10:53] <kernelpanic_> I tried live mode, then ALT+F1 and start "ubiquity --no-bootloader" from text mode, but it just returns and nothing happens at all
[11:42] <kernelpanic_> can someone please tell me how to start a simple terminal in the current daily build?
[12:38] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: In Ubuntu? ctrl + alt + k? Else open a tty point it to :0 and start a terminal emulator from there.
[12:38] <lordievader> Or use that terminal ofcourse.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:17] <sterns> hello, just updated my vivid install and now, I'm presented with an X login screen, which looks good, after logging in I just get a blank screen.  I'm on the Ubuntu Gnome distro.  I found this error in the syslog:
[17:18] <sterns> http://pastebin.com/8EnkxJBd
[19:07] <sterns> I am testing to see if the latest systemd update is causing my system not to function properly.  I would like to rollback to 218-6ubuntu1, but it's not in my apt-cache
[19:07] <sterns> any recommendations?
[19:09] <trism> sterns: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/218-6ubuntu1 if you click your arch under Builds it will take you to a page with all the debs
[19:09] <trism> sterns: although they might be in /var/cache/apt/archives already
[19:10] <sterns> trism: apt-cache showpakg systemd would show me that if they were there correct?
[19:10] <sterns> *showpkg
[19:10] <trism> sterns: no, they will not show up because they are not in the package lists anymore
[19:11] <sterns> ah, ok
[19:11] <trism> sterns: you would have to look in the directory and install manually with dpkg -i
[19:11] <sterns> now, when I did do showpkg earlier, it showed a bunch of reverse dependencies.  Am I going to create a trainwreck?
[19:12] <trism> sterns: and you would need to get all of them at once or it might cause some issues (and it might anyway)
[19:13] <trism> sterns: you might, or it might be fine, I would: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*218-6ubuntu1*.deb; to see which ones you would need to get at once
[19:13] <sterns> trism: did you see my earlier posts about the nature of my problem?  I am shooting in the dark with this systemd idea.
[19:14] <trism> sterns: no I did not
[19:15] <sterns> i did a apt-get dist-upgrade earlier this morning.  After I login to X (username/pass), I get a blank screen.
[19:15] <sterns> I see this in my syslog: http://pastebin.com/8EnkxJBd
[19:16] <sterns> this is the apt history.log: http://pastebin.com/fy3SfCrt
[19:17] <sterns> also, when I login to tty1, I see "failed to start user service.  Unknown init<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:17] <sterns> but tty session works fine
[19:18] <trism> sterns: I see bug 1416943 for gnome-shell which is very recent
[19:18] <sterns> I tried utilizing two prior kernels using grub with no benefit
[19:18] <trism> sterns: it links to an errors log that I can't view though so hard to tell
[19:19] <trism> sterns: it looks more like a bug with the latest gnome-shell uploads instead of a systemd issue
[19:20] <sterns> gnome-shell has it's own package right?
[19:21] <sterns> I didn't see that package being updated in the history
[19:21] <trism> sterns: the gnome-shell package was from a while ago, but some of the libs used by gnome-shell might have been updated
[19:27] <sterns> trism: do you know how I could go about confirming that this bug is the one I'm encountering?
[19:28] <trism> sterns: looking at the dups I'm not so sure it is anymore, they all manage to log in but crash later on
[19:30] <sterns> trism: this is also the Ubuntu-Gnome distro
[19:30] <trism> sterns: did you get a crash file in /var/crash for gnome-shell?
[19:30] <sterns> Vivid
[19:30] <sterns> I'll check
[19:32] <sterns> yes, it's there, it's 50MB _usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000.crash
[19:33] <trism> sterns: you could try going into another session if you can and: ubuntu-bug /var/crash/_usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000.crash; and see if it dups on anything
[19:33] <sterns> k, sec
[19:37] <sterns> well, I'm accessing the log from a working system and ubuntu-bug reports that it's unreportable because it pertains to a program that is not installed.
[19:38] <sterns> I assume that means it's not installed on my working system, which is true.
[19:39] <sterns> should I try it again after booting the Vivid OS?
[19:42] <sterns> I'm checking out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[19:45] <elfy> try apport-cli -c /var/crash/_usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000.crash
[19:46] <elfy> oh - really should tab people's nicks lol
[20:37] <sterns> trism: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1418209
[20:39] <trism> sterns: strange, have to wait for the retracing to learn much from it
[20:40] <sterns> I am prepared to do the retrace myself, I was just looking at that
[20:41] <sterns> would that be valuable, or just wait for the automated system?
[20:49] <trism> sterns: it may help match it to another bug if you don't want to wait, it's really up to you


[13:58] <cmaloney> morning
[13:58] <cmaloney> how's the day so far?
[13:59] <rick_h> wheeeee
[13:59] <jrwren> just getting started.  Good morning.
[13:59] <jrwren> How about with you, cmaloney ?
[13:59] <cmaloney> Getting started as well
[13:59] <cmaloney> just ate breakfast and am awaiting coffee
[13:59]  * rick_h agrees coffee is a good idea
[13:59] <jrwren> what was for breakfast?
[14:00] <cmaloney> debating on whether or not to go to the doc for a sinus thing that has been going on over a week
[14:00] <cmaloney> which gets better during the day and then gets worse at night
[14:06] <brousch> cmaloney: Did you see https://dadabots.bandcamp.com/album/coditany-of-timeness ?
[14:19] <cmaloney> Checking
[14:19] <cmaloney> Yes
[14:20] <cmaloney> They claim no copyright / fair use on it, but I'm not sure I agree with that assessment
[14:21] <brousch> I just found the concept interesting: black metal generated by AI
[14:21] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's more thought than some bands put into it for sure
[14:22] <cmaloney> "chang chang chang chang chang chang chang chang chang chang chang chang chang chang chang chang"
[14:22] <cmaloney> "oooooooooOOOOOOOOOOORRrrrrrrrrrrrrreewwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy"
[17:18] <cmaloney> rick_h: http://www.californiatypewriter.com/shop/white-olympia-sm-3
[17:18] <cmaloney> You don't need this. :)
[17:19] <rick_h> Lol
[17:19] <rick_h> cmaloney: what kind of enabler are you :p
[17:20] <cmaloney> Now, if it was a VT101 terminal...
[17:21] <rick_h> lol
[17:21] <rick_h> Tom Hanks in the show is great.
[17:21] <rick_h> Seeing him geek out was so much fun
[17:22] <cmaloney> Is there an actual show about typewriters?
[17:22]  * cmaloney isn't culturally savvy anymore
[17:23] <rick_h> cmaloney: there's the documentary I mentioned called California typewriter I watched
[17:23] <rick_h> That was what I was talking about in the Twitter post
[17:23] <cmaloney> Ah, OK.
[17:24] <cmaloney> I figured there was some form of connection
[17:24] <cmaloney> and yes, I think the typewriter is an wesome no-frills writing device
[17:24] <rick_h> http://m.imdb.com/title/tt5966990/
[17:24] <cmaloney> but damn
[17:24] <cmaloney> If you really want a nice single-tasker get Atari Writer. ;)
[17:26] <cmaloney> https://inverseatascii.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/aw_ad_analog8311sm.jpg
[17:26] <brousch> I brought a typewriter to college with me. Used it a lot before I learned how to computer and print
[17:27] <cmaloney> As soon as I had a printer and AtariWriter I was pretty much spoiled for anything that wasn't a wordprocessor
[17:27] <cmaloney> write it by hand? Screw that.
[17:28] <brousch> I still like to write by hand, but not typewriter.
[17:28] <rick_h> Yea but I love my fountain pens. I want less screens not more.
[17:30] <cmaloney> Yeah, I like writing with pens too
[17:30] <brousch> I prefer pencils
[17:30] <_stink_> gtfo
[17:31] <cmaloney> Yeah, I like mechanical pencils
[17:31] <brousch> pens are messy and slow
[17:31] <brousch> and hard to erase
[17:32] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE08iiuI_V4
[17:33] <brousch> wow
[22:58] <greg-g> So, I bought Rowan a hobby quality level RC truck for xmas (er, it's from Santa). ECX brand. It came today and I'm so excited I can't wait until xmas. :)
[22:59] <greg-g> it's on the slower side (25 mph instead of 30+) but it has a higher clearance than other 1/18th scale ones (and i didn't want to spend the money to go up to the 1/10th scale ones)
[23:00] <jrwren> awesome.
[23:00] <jrwren> I thought about getting something liek that for my kiddo for christmas this year, but I don't know if she'd love it or not.
[23:02] <greg-g> (continuing thought) and I can upgrade battery/motors for more speed, but harder to upgrade ground clearance
[23:17] <rick_h> greg-g: cool stuff


[05:01] <gaurav__> hi
[07:11] <Mrokii> Hello. I have issues with Global Menus in Kubuntu 17.04 (upgraded from 16.10). I added a panel named "Application Menu Bar" and chose "Application Menu Widget" in System Settings/Fine Tuning. The main menu bar with its entries appears, but when I click one, no sub-menu is opened. There only a very small dot shown underneath the main menu-entry I click on.
[07:13] <Mrokii> The entries in the menu bar react to the mouse (getting a different background) and when I click them they change colour again. But otherwise nothing happens.
[07:27] <Mrokii> I think I've found the problem. Seems the Global Menus don't work for Gnome-Apps. Too bad. That makes it pretty much unusable, if it doesn't work for everything. :-(
[07:46] <IrcsomeBot1> JAnguita was removed by: JAnguita
[09:00] <IrcsomeBot1> JAnguita was removed by: JAnguita
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:38] <isiselis> hello, I've downloaded the new kubuntu 17.04 iso from the main mirror, and when I start it it says 16.04
[12:40] <cojack> isiselis: then you have wrong iso
[12:41] <isiselis> yeah I guess so
[12:41] <cojack> isiselis: try neon
[12:41] <isiselis> okaaaaaaaaaaaayyy....i'm in a very good moment to try neon, i will
[12:42] <isiselis> :-¨)
[12:42] <cojack> Im srsly, neon
[12:42] <cojack> you will get as fast as can patches for kde
[12:43] <isiselis> i have to do a fresh install now, so :-)
[12:43] <cojack> fe: in kubuntu waiting in backports for patches was in this release 16.10 a nightmare
[12:43] <isiselis> does it run Xorg or wayland?
[12:43] <cojack> only apear once
[12:43] <cojack> isiselis: Xorg still (hope)
[12:43] <isiselis> hahaha
[12:44] <isiselis> whats the lastest stable?
[12:45] <isiselis> https://files.kde.org/neon/images/neon-useredition/current/
[12:45] <cojack> isiselis: latest stable what?
[12:45] <cojack> neon?
[12:45] <isiselis> current or with a date?
[12:45] <isiselis> yeah!
[12:45] <cojack> isiselis: take current
[12:45] <isiselis> thanks!!
[12:45] <cojack> don't forget to check sum after downloads
[12:45] <isiselis> okay
[12:48] <Dragnslcr> isiselis- what's the name of the file that you downloaded?
[12:50] <isiselis> the one in kubuntu...kubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso!!
[12:51] <isiselis> it has a dir inside dists/zesty
[12:51] <isiselis> but when i boot it, 16.04!!
[12:53] <IrcsomeBot1> gouthamganesan was added by: gouthamganesan
[12:55] <Dragnslcr> isiselis- where does it say 16.04 when you boot it?
[12:55] <isiselis> everywhere!!
[12:56] <isiselis> i've also finished the install, its 16,04
[12:57] <Dragnslcr> Do you know how to get the checksum of the .iso file?
[12:57] <jubo2> I think he just trooling for shoulders to cry on. Download correct .iso, burn to stick with command dd and you good to go for install if you have healthy HW
[12:57] <cojack> Dragnslcr: md5sum file
[12:59] <Dragnslcr> isiselis- there are files with the correct checksums at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/zesty/release/
 Fwd from gouthamganesan: Hai, I just installed Kubuntu. There is a bug. I dont know how to tell it. So ill show it
 (Photo, 305x353) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ZfE9HcfH/file_2422.jpg
 (Photo, 668x112) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Ic0kVDqK/file_2423.jpg
 Fwd from gouthamganesan: Is there any way to fix it?
 (Photo, 468x337) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/rDQyVei2/file_2425.jpg
[13:00] <isiselis> i dont know how to match it, ive opened the md5sum
[13:00] <isiselis> severaldirectories
[13:01] <Dragnslcr> isiselis- what's the MD5 checksum of the .iso file you have?
[13:03] <isiselis> e702ac36901679c71d42ebf0aab9e5dff520121a7cb1eac02c91e2db53df7e9d
[13:04] <Dragnslcr> That's actually the SHA256 sum, but it's correct
[13:05] <Dragnslcr> I just fired up a VM with that file, and the desktop icon says "Install Kubuntu 17.04"
[13:05] <cojack> isiselis: did you troll hard?
[13:05] <cojack> because it's not funny at all
[13:05] <acheronUK> isiselis: what command did you run to get that sh256 hash?
[13:05] <cojack> and first of the april was 20 days ago
[13:06] <Dragnslcr> So unless you can be more specific about where you're seeing 16.04, I would assume that you're copying the wrong file to the CD/USB
[13:06] <isiselis> noonono ive done the same , fired virtual box with that file, it says 16.04
[13:06] <cojack> isiselis: give us a link to this file
[13:06] <Dragnslcr> Or using the wrong file in the VM
[13:06] <cojack> perhaps
[13:06] <Dragnslcr> cojack- we don't need it; the checksum is correct for the 17.04 .iso
[13:07] <isiselis> no kidding, perhaps i've mistook somewhere , i dont get it because its the only iso i've downloaded
[13:07] <acheronUK> I have quite literally installed more times that I recall from the correct iso. it is 17.04 and says so
[13:07] <jubo2> obvious trooler is also fish processing factory
[13:07] <Dragnslcr> isiselis- when you get to the desktop, what does the text under the install icon say?
[13:08] <cojack> w8 guys, isiselis screenshot or id didn't happen
[13:08] <cojack> eot
[13:08] <isiselis> http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/17.04/release/kubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:08] <isiselis> i'll get the screenshot
[13:08] <isiselis> hahah
[13:10] <isiselis> noooo
[13:10] <isiselis> now i saw it
[13:10] <jubo2> You messed something up?
[13:10] <isiselis> it was loading a very old image from another dir
[13:10] <isiselis> yeaaah
[13:10] <isiselis> my bad!
[13:10] <isiselis> oh gosh
[13:10] <jubo2> That's the cue for you to go "my bad."

[13:11] <jubo2> I think some people actually compromise their own systems
[13:11] <jubo2> with copy paste from somewhere on the internets
[13:12] <Dragnslcr> And I still forget to check sometimes
[13:12] <isiselis> yeah!
[13:21] <isiselis> cojack: whats the neon auto partition?
[13:26] <cojack> isiselis: hmm?
[13:29] <cojack> everything is same in neon, it's based on *buntu
[13:29] <cojack> exactly on *buntu lts
[13:30] <cojack> the only main difference between kubuntu and neon is repository for kde/qt packages
[13:35] <user|51854> hi guys, is it possible to install kubuntu near the windows 10 ?
[13:36] <cojack> user|51854: yes
[13:37] <user|51854> hi cojack, does it ask when i install ?
[13:37] <user|51854> or do i need to do something when i install
[13:37] <user|51854> ?
[13:38] <hateball> user|51854: It will ask if you want to install alongside
[13:38] <user|51854> i appreciate, hateball. thanks
[13:38] <hateball> user|51854: do you have a nvidia gpu?
[13:38] <hateball> If so, there are some tricks needed to install the nvidia driver afterwards
[13:39] <hateball> if you have secure boot enabled
[13:39] <user|51854> hmm. im using laptop and nvidia gtx is on the board.
[13:40] <user|51854> i think i need to do some kind of re-installs for nvidia driver
[13:45] <hateball> user|51854: you need to run "sudo mokutil --disable-validation" before you try installing the binary blob
[13:45] <hateball> it doesnt actually disable secureboot, just tells the shim to ignore it
 any indicator of NUMLOCK/CapsLock Keys widget avaialble ?
[13:56] <Dragnslcr> jayantseraph - looks like there are a couple in the Plasma widgets repository
 <Dragnslcr> None seems to work. My aim is to add it to system tray panel
[15:06] <Dragnslcr> Hm, two different computers now where Discover hasn't shown a message about upgrading to 17.04
[16:16] <snypz> how to instal... teamviewer on kubuntu?
[16:17] <snypz> msg me...
[16:17] <snypz> 17.04
[16:18] <snypz> dpkg -i not working...
[17:31] <jemandus> Hi, is your syslog also flooded by systemd
[17:31] <jemandus> ?
[17:31] <jemandus> since 17.04 :
[17:32] <jemandus> 21.04.17 19:24	avahi-daemon	Withdrawing address record for 2a02:8109:9440:a1a8:8068:5b5e:7e85:aae8 on enp0s25.
[17:32] <jemandus> 21.04.17 19:24	avahi-daemon	Registering new address record for 2a02:8109:9440:a1a8:398f:1fbe:da91:75c3 on wlp3s0.*.
[17:32] <jemandus> 21.04.17 19:24	avahi-daemon	Withdrawing address record for 2a02:8109:9440:a1a8:398f:1fbe:da91:75c3 on wlp3s0.
[17:32] <jemandus> 21.04.17 19:31	avahi-daemon	Registering new address record for 2a02:8109:9440:a1a8:fd64:ca03:8fd9:b796 on wlp3s0.*.
[17:32] <jemandus> it does it every minute...
[17:33] <jemandus> 21.04.17 19:24	avahi-daemon	Withdrawing address record for 2a02:8109:9440:a1a8:8068:5b5e:7e85:aae8 on enp0s25.
[17:33] <jemandus> 21.04.17 19:24	avahi-daemon	Registering new address record for 2a02:8109:9440:a1a8:398f:1fbe:da91:75c3 on wlp3s0.*.
[17:33] <jemandus> 21.04.17 19:24	avahi-daemon	Withdrawing address record for 2a02:8109:9440:a1a8:398f:1fbe:da91:75c3 on wlp3s0.
[17:33] <jemandus> 21.04.17 19:31	avahi-daemon	Registering new address record for 2a02:8109:9440:a1a8:fd64:ca03:8fd9:b796 on wlp3s0.*.
[17:33] <jemandus> 21.04.17 17:16	systemd-resolved	Switching to DNS server fd00::2665:11ff:fe32:2c20 for interface wlp3s0.
[19:11] <yocs0000> hi everybody .... I keep getting the error This operation cannot continue since proper authorisation was not provided when I try to install using muon
[19:24] <BluesKaj> yofel:  there should be a dialog popup asking for your pw, maybe it's hidden under other apps
[19:24] <BluesKaj> on the desktop
[19:24] <BluesKaj> oops sorry yofel
[19:25] <BluesKaj> instant gratification loses again
[20:57] <dO_ob> yello


[10:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: other than I currently use Dropbox so yay?
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[16:36] <Unit193> Welp, that's more than a couple.
[16:38] <Unit193> - Add pkexec policy (Bug #11088)
[16:38] <Unit193> Nice.
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[18:59] <bluesabre> Adding this to the release list, because why not :) https://github.com/bluesabre/mugshot/releases/tag/mugshot-0.4.2
[19:00] <Unit193> I'm not in PAPT, but if you need sponsored I can or I can poke someone that is.
[19:01] <bluesabre> Gotcha
[19:01] <bluesabre> Will probably do packaging things over the next few days, unless I somehow get to it tonight :)
[19:27] <ochosi> kewl
[19:45] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: Xfce 4.14pre3 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-Xfce-4-14pre3-released-tp55005.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)