[04:42] <pressure_man> well if only debian used a 2.6 kernel and udev by default, i'd probably still be using that
[04:42] <blocky> hmm
[04:42] <cafuego> nickrud: Then again, 'ssh -X -C linuxbox evolution' on an xterm works fine ;-)
[04:43] <blocky> how do I change my resolution in gnome?
[04:43] <cafuego> pressure_man: That's _your_ fault then, as debian sarge does use a 2.6 kernel and udev.
[04:43] <nickrud> pressure_man unstable has had 2.6 and udev for a long time
[04:43] <pressure_man> the only gripe i have with ubuntu is that some of the packages appear in debian well before they make it into ubuntu
[04:43] <iris_> well mostly in sid i guess
[04:43] <tiglionabbit> blocky: it generally doesn't work, but uh, system -> preferences -> resolution ?
[04:43] <pressure_man> cafuego: i have debian sarge installed on my server with a 2.6 kernel. but it sure ain't the default
[04:43] <punkrockguy318> pressure_man, do you understand the ubuntu release cycle?
[04:44] <freddy_> hello, how are you guys?, ive tried so much stuff trying to make my wifi card to work with linux, but i dont know what to do now, ive come this far : i installed the drivers...i can see the hardware, i can configure it either with dhcp or static ip, i can actually configure the hardware with the network administrator of my linux dsitro, but when i actually activate the network appl to work with the wifi card...it takes it but it stays in idle status....
[04:44] <pressure_man> yes punk
[04:44] <cafuego> pressure_man: Oh, it was too hard to type 'linux26' at the install prompt? Sheesh.
[04:44] <sfvt> blocky: there is a gnome-randr-applet that does this
[04:44] <nickrud> ubuntu is 'stable' (I'm still coming to grips with that after debian unstable), and it's not a flaw
[04:44] <pressure_man> no, it wasn't too hard to type linux26, but it isn't the default. get it right
[04:44] <freddy_> i would really apreciate the help. thanks a lot.
[04:44] <cafuego> pressure_man: No, honestly...
[04:44] <punkrockguy318> pressure_man, ubuntu freezes debian unstable a month or two before the release.  Anything in debian after that won't be included until the next release
[04:45] <pressure_man> yes, i know punk.
[04:45] <sfvt> blocky: looks lke it's also under System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[04:45] <punkrockguy318> pressure_man, alright, just trying to help
[04:45] <blocky> k thanks
[04:45] <pressure_man> i'm dubious about udev being the default in debian tho... sure, i know it's there
[04:45] <blocky> now i just need to get this damn sound card working
[04:45] <blocky> i cant seem to find a package anywhere for envy24control
[04:45] <pressure_man> but if the 2.6 kernel isn't the default, then udev can't possibly be the default either
[04:45] <cafuego> pressure_man: Yes, it is if you install with the 2.6 kernel.
[04:46] <pressure_man> well i did.
[04:46] <tiglionabbit> *sauce
[04:46] <cafuego> pressure_man: if you don't understand WHY the 2.6 kernel isn't the default...
[04:46] <cafuego> then I'll just go and cry some more.
[04:46] <iris_> freddy_, you said that you installed your driver and your card doesn't work.. however without knowing your card, your os, the drivers you installed even the biggest guru won't be able to help you
[04:46] <pressure_man> no, i don't understand WHY. it's been stable for over a year.
[04:47] <pressure_man> i don't understand WHY debian takes three years to release an update either.
[04:47] <cafuego> pressure_man: it hasn't been anywhere near as stable as 2.4.18+ kernels.
[04:47] <absinthe> why is ubuntu switching from c++ to g++ with breezy?
[04:47] <freddy_> iris_ sorry, ubuntu...linksys card, i can see the hardware wich is a good thing..i think
[04:47] <pressure_man> i mean stable as in not 2.5 anymore
[04:47] <nickrud> debian is the most conservative distro around
[04:47] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, g++ is a compiler for c++
[04:47] <tiglionabbit> pressure_man: debian is a very highly tested distro, meant to ve very stable, as it is used for webservers which can't crash on you while you're not looking
[04:47] <freddy_> iris_ i can even see the signal strenght
[04:47] <sfvt> freddy_: so the card shows up in the output from 'iwconfig'?
[04:47] <cafuego> pressure_man: Just coz it's not 2.5 anymore doesn't mean you'd want it running your cluster servers.
[04:47] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, they are not switching at all
[04:47] <blocky> if i download the mandrake version of envy24control and make it a deb with alien will it work properly?
[04:48] <tiglionabbit> pressure_man: testing takes time
[04:48] <freddy_> sfvt YES it does, and i think that is actually good thing..right?
[04:48] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Then why all the hub-bub about it?
[04:48] <nickrud> I'll never run sarge, but, I'm damned glad that others do.
[04:48] <punkrockguy318> pressure_man, I wish Debian would come out with a predictable release schedule, it would make it easier for Debian users, and all the debian derivitives
[04:48] <sfvt> freddy_: well, it's a start ;)
[04:48] <pressure_man> err, gee thanks guys. by the way, i've been using slackware for about the last 10 years.
[04:48] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, ubuntu is switching from g++ 3.4 to 4.0
[04:48] <whitti> sfvt: If it fails, I'll come back and tell you. Thanks for the help
[04:48] <cafuego> ok, it's troll day
[04:48] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Does that increase speed or something?
[04:48] <sfvt> whitti: cool. good luck.
[04:48] <iris_> freddy_, can you scan for wireless lans?
[04:49] <freddy_> iris_ how about doing that?
[04:49] <iris_> iwlist
[04:49] <Funk4544> hi all
[04:49] <Funk4544> back
[04:49] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, somewhat, there are a lot of new features.  but the big deal, is that gcc 4.0 breaks compatibility with 3.4.  It's going to be a PITA to get all the packages to compile with gcc-4.0
[04:49] <pressure_man> cafuego: i can't figure out why you say udev is the default with a 2.6 kernel on debian. my install is running plain old /dev nodes
[04:50] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Oh I see. Thanks
[04:50] <pressure_man> it's a ~2 week old install
[04:50] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, no worries, man! anytime!
[04:50] <iris_> freddy_, like "iwlist <interface> scanning"
[04:50] <freddy_> iris_ iwlist shows me a bunch of "options" so i went with iwlist scanning...and it says wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Operation not supported
[04:50] <iris_> hmpf!
[04:51] <absinthe> So I've been thinking of trying a more "hands-on" or nitty-gritty linux distro. Any reccomendations?
[04:51] <nickrud> cafuego and, by the way, I'm damned glad I don't need to do Then again, 'ssh -X -C linuxbox evolution' :P
[04:51] <cafuego> nickrud: Eh?
[04:51] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to?
[04:51] <tiglionabbit> absinthe: gentoo, lfs
[04:51] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, if you want a hands on distro, go with arch linux
[04:51] <blocky> absinthe, gentoo
[04:51] <iris_> mhh...
[04:51] <freddy_> iris_ :(
[04:51] <sfvt> freddy_: does your AP require WEP? Have you set the essid?
[04:51] <blocky> gentoo is hardcore and lfs is really hardcore
[04:51] <nickrud> cafuego maybe a bad paste of your reply
[04:51] <cafuego> nickrud: But's it's run to run that over a vpn over public wifi in a bar somewhere
[04:51] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, if you would like to compile EVERYTHING you install, go with gentoo.  But if you would like modest optimizated binaries, go with arch
[04:52] <cafuego> s/run/fun/
[04:52] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, I've been reading up on arch. I don't want to compile everything from source like gentoo. But I like the i686 optimization
[04:52] <freddy_> sfvt yes requires WEP, ive set the WEP, and the essid is the name of the network and yes i typed it
[04:52] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[04:52] <nickrud> cafuego fun can be run, and I get the drift
[04:52] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, yes, i've used arch for a long time.  it's quite speedy, and very customizable
[04:53] <cafuego> !find 2maildir
[04:53] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, i've learned a lot from using arch.. but now that i don't have time to fiddle, i've gone to ubuntu.  everything "just works", but it's still hackable
[04:53] <mig`> hmm
[04:53] <mig`> i think i will reinstall ubuntu in expert mode
[04:53] <cafuego> ubotu: test
[04:53] <ubotu> Passed
[04:53] <mig`> maybe then i'll be able to tell the kernel to have usb 2.0 compiled in
[04:53] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, I like to "fiddle" so I'll probably try it. Pacman looks pretty sweet
[04:53] <mig`> or does expert mode let me modify the initrd file?
[04:53] <mig`> i hope so... here i go
[04:53] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, How about Slackware?
[04:53] <sfvt> mig`: no, it will always be a module... unless you build your own kernel
[04:54] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, pacman is really nice.  it compares with apt.  apt is more mature and has more features, but pacman does everything you need it to do, and is very simple
[04:54] <freddy_> damn, i think i have no way out, do i?
[04:54] <iris_> freddy_, the wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Operation not supported shouldn't happen if everything is right, but i am no expert... :(
[04:54] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, never tried it myself, but I hear it's nice.  poor package manager though
[04:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of '2maildir' returned no results.
[04:54] <freddy_> iris_ i love you for trying...thanks man
[04:54] <iris_> is your wlan interface wlan0?
[04:54] <sfvt> freddy_: do you know for sure that your wifi driver supports WEP?
[04:54] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[04:54] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Thanks. Well I'll try Arch.
[04:55] <freddy_> sfvt yes, it worked in *cough*windows*cough* :P
[04:55] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, good choice :)
[04:55] <freddy_> iris_ yes, at least thats how it looks
[04:55] <iris_> "thanks man" _^
[04:55] <sfvt> freddy_: that's not conclusive... that proves the card supports WEP, not the linux driver
[04:55] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, you can learn a lot from the documentation, and the forums and IRC are very friendly and helpful
[04:55] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Installing it looks like a crazy time =)
[04:55] <cafuego> !find cyrus2courier
[04:56] <freddy_> sfvt oh...i can take the WEP out..and try...what do you think?
[04:56] <sfvt> freddy_: when I setup a wifi card, I always try to turn of WEP first, get the card working, then turn on WEP and try again.
[04:56] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, actually, the installer is pretty straightforward.  but an installed arch box is simply the barebones you need for a linux system.  you have to install everything else.  but, that's a blessing because you get no crap you don't want on your system
[04:56] <iris_> freddy_, that would be a good idea
[04:56] <freddy_> gonna turn that stuff out :D
[04:56] <freddy_> hold on a sex then
[04:56] <freddy_> err
[04:56] <freddy_> sec
[04:56] <freddy_> jesus..
[04:56] <Kyral> lol
[04:56] <iris_> :)
[04:56] <sfvt> freddy_: thanks for the offer, but I don't swing that way ;)
[04:57] <freddy_> hahaha
[04:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'cyrus2courier' returned no results.
[04:57] <absinthe> punkrockguy318, Thanks for helping me.
[04:57] <punkrockguy318> absinthe, anytime :)
[04:58] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[04:58] <iris_> jasmuz, i dont know how many hours i spent with that
[04:59] <concept10> Does anyone know how to install a theme manually in firefox?
[04:59] <iris_> do you have the openzaurus rom installed and the usbnet working
[05:01] <ivan__> anybody have problem using mozilla with mplayer plug-in? mine just load till 99% and stop there. any solution to this?
[05:01] <Trucido> Hello, all.  Bit of an installation question: is there a way for me to copy all the installation files to a hard disk, then plug that in and use it in lieu of a CD?
[05:01] <iris_> ivan__, where have you got the packages
[05:02] <ivan__> iris: i got it from the some body from the list group and i do a little of editing
[05:03] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: this is something folks used to do years ago before CDs were common... don't know if the installer supports this anymore.
[05:03] <blocky> can anyone help me find a download link for envy24control?
[05:03] <iris_> mhh, i got mine from marillat (maybe ubuntu backports).. and they work well...
[05:04] <crimsun> blocky, it's in the alsa-tools package located on alsa-project.org
[05:05] <crimsun> blocky, you'll need build-essential and libasound2-dev installed to compile it
[05:05] <blocky> thanks crimsun
[05:05] <Trucido> sfvt|beer: damn.  Would need some sort of boot disk anyway, wouldn't I?
[05:06] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: yeah.
[05:06] <ookii> i'mv having trouble installing jre in ubuntu, i've gotten the java virtual machine, but i can't seem to get jre
[05:06] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: or do a network boot
[05:07] <nickrud> Trucido you should be able to do a generic install of ubuntu on one machine, and swap the disk into another
[05:07] <Trucido> nickrud: it's not going to get cranky about hardware settings and such?
[05:07] <freddy_> idle
[05:07] <freddy_> :(
[05:08] <freddy_> no WEP on the router
[05:08] <freddy_> im gonna die
[05:08] <Trucido> sfvt|beer: is there a howto for that somewhere?
[05:08] <paul_> hola
[05:08] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: ok, what do you mean by 'idle'?
[05:08] <freddy_> in the Network Monitor...i can see wlan0 in idle status
[05:08] <nickrud> Trucido the only issue might be the video card, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should fix that
[05:08] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: network booting? I think it's in the debian installer manual.
[05:08] <paul_> trucido search google for unofficial ubuntu users guide
[05:08] <freddy_> just plain idle...it wont out of there
[05:09] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: don't know much about "Network Monitor"...
[05:09] <paul_> iftop
[05:09] <freddy_> sudo ifup wlan0 returns No DHCPOFFERS received - No working leases in persisten database - sleeping.
[05:09] <paul_> use synaptic search for iftop and run from console
[05:10] <freddy_> i dont have iftop
[05:10] <paul_> download it thru synaptic
[05:10] <freddy_> oh...sorry im ignorant on that fact.
[05:10] <freddy_> :(
[05:10] <nickrud> Trucido at least, that (and boot the 386 version) was all I had to do when I swapped this disk into another machine
[05:11] <paul_> synaptic is easy tofigure out, its under system, administration
[05:11] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: I think I asked this (the beer) but you've set your essid? It's shows up correct in the output from 'iwconfig'?
[05:11] <Trucido> Well, these two machines are about as different as it's possible to get.  Guess it can't hurt to try, though.
[05:11] <freddy_> sfvt|beer holy shiat...
[05:11] <sfvt|beer> Trucido: the idea about transfering the disk should be OK... as long as you configure grub correctly for the target machine before transfering it
[05:11] <freddy_> it doesnt
[05:12] <freddy_> it says off/any
[05:12] <freddy_> what the....
[05:12] <freddy_> how can i go about configuring that man?
[05:12] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: iwconfig INTERFACE essid NAME
[05:12] <freddy_> what the...hell
[05:12] <nickrud> Trucido sfvt|beer yes, both disks were hda, good point
[05:12] <paul_> any chicks in here?
[05:13] <bryan> hello, again, all.... still looking for some answers about dual booting w/ 2 hds... grub wont load anything for me; hangs at "grub loading, please wait..."
[05:13] <nickrud> that is, both disks were recognized as hda
[05:13] <sfvt|beer> I love the gym teacher on Mad TV ;)
[05:13] <paul_> robin meade on cnn is hot
[05:13] <sfvt|beer> guess the beer helps a bit...
[05:13] <freddy_> sfvt|beer it doesnt take it man :(
[05:14] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[05:14] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: you get an error?
[05:14] <freddy_> i did that....and now iwconfig again....and i cant see it
[05:14] <freddy_> sfvt|beer no...i get prompt...so it seems good
[05:14] <freddy_> but i go iwconfig again...and it says off/any again
[05:14] <sfvt|beer> nicrud: welcome!
[05:14] <nickrud|beer> anyway, I meant that the disk was recognized as hda on both machines :)
[05:14] <crimsun> paul_, on-topic, please
[05:15] <beginnerMKII> Hey jasmuz
[05:15] <pressure_man> cafuego: http://os.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=04/12/23/2023223 - udev is not the default on debian, even when selecting a 2.6 kernel
[05:15] <leanne> can I get ubuntu help here?
[05:15] <crimsun> leanne, absolutely.
[05:15] <beginnerMKII> I am thinking of doing a dualboot, do i get to choose between hda & hdb ??
[05:16] <pressure_man> you can choose any hard disk
[05:16] <paul_> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:16] <leanne> I have tried to install ubuntu several times, once as expert entering my own root password, and still when I try to enter a root terminal it says the password is wrong
[05:16] <leanne> what am I doing wrong?
[05:16] <paul_> you have to enable root
[05:16] <beginnerMKII> At that partition screen thing pressure_man?
[05:16] <crimsun> leanne, Ubuntu uses sudo. There's a FAQ on it.
[05:16] <Kyral> Ubuntu uses sudo
[05:16] <pressure_man> beginnerMKII: that's right
[05:16] <paul_> go to this link , and read http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:16] <crimsun> leanne, use the user password you entered during the install.
[05:17] <pressure_man> does that work crimsun?
[05:17] <pressure_man> i always had to 'sudo passwd root'
[05:17] <pressure_man> (from the basic user account)
[05:17] <crimsun> pressure_man, sudo -s, then passwd
[05:17] <paul_> you can enable root login
[05:17] <paul_> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:17] <crimsun> pressure_man, of course, it's preferable to use sudo instead of su'ing continually
[05:18] <pressure_man> heheh, unless about 90% of your work is admin-type work, requiring root.
[05:18] <beginnerMKII> Is it possible to exit the installation at those different screens if i want?? i.e. 13.partition......17. setting user name & password
[05:18] <paul_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#allowrootlogingnome
[05:18] <pressure_man> i don't really feel like typing 'sudo blah' 238164432 times a day.
[05:18] <crimsun> pressure_man, "requiring root" implying that you'd rather not prefix the sudo command? That's fairly trivial.
[05:19] <paul_> pressure did you see that link?
[05:19] <crimsun> heck, just alias it.
[05:19] <pressure_man> yep, thanks paul
[05:19] <paul_> otay
[05:19] <sfvt|beer> pressure_man: if you need super user access that much,. then there's something wrong.
[05:19] <pressure_man> but i'd never, ever log into a gui as root.
[05:19] <bryan> is there a problem with grub included w/ 5.04?
[05:19] <nickrud> heh, I've used sudo for years, it's a trivial mind check. And worth it
[05:19] <sfvt|beer> nickrud: amen
[05:19] <paul_> ever try to edit apache from sudo?
[05:20] <ShamblyHermit> unless the gui is windows :P
[05:20] <sfvt|beer> paul_: yep
[05:20] <sfvt|beer> paul_: your point?
[05:20] <leanne> ok what if my password didnt work either?
[05:20] <leanne> why can't I be root anywyas?
[05:20] <pressure_man> if a normal user is able to sudo each and every command, how is that different to simply logging in as root?
[05:20] <paul_> its easier to log in to root and edit cofig files is my point
[05:21] <ShamblyHermit> open a term as root and edit
[05:21] <pressure_man> my understanding of sudo is that it was useful to allow normal users to execute ~some~ commands that require root
[05:21] <Jimbob> Funny how I have to admin 4 linux servers, 3 linux desktops, and I still prefer sudo to having to remember 7 different root passwords... ;-)
[05:21] <sfvt|beer> pressure_man: a "normal" user isn't. Just the first user created during install and users who are placed in the adm group
[05:21] <paul_> not everyone is a command line guru
[05:21] <beginnerMKII> Once i have Ubuntu installed on hdb, which one boots when i turn the computer, XP right?? How do i get Ubuntu to run, do i go into BIOS and select OS/2 on startup ?????
[05:21] <nickrud> paul_ then, sudo -[i|s]  depending on the need, you get what you need
[05:21] <ookii> hey anyone know how to install jre?
[05:21] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[05:21] <sfvt|beer> paul_: the point of Ubuntu is to try and remove the dependcy on the command line. if there are operations you find yourself doing a lot that require sudo, then perhaps you should address the apps and not sudo.
[05:21] <pressure_man> sfvt|beer: sure, but that first user is essentially root
[05:22] <leanne> someone please tell me why I can't log in as root.
[05:22] <paul_> how to do almost everything in ubuntu..... please go to this link l.....  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:22] <bryan> leanne: ubuntu disables root, or at least thats what ive been told
[05:22] <jasmuz> leanne: because we prefer to use sudo
[05:22] <sfvt|beer> pressure_man: the user installing the system is given special status... i mean, he/she is installing the system after all
[05:22] <leanne> okay, forgive me but what is sudo?
[05:22] <bryan> paul_: the guide doesnt really help w/ two-hd booting... ive tried
[05:23] <Shuddertrix> leanne: root has no password by default, sudo is perferred.
[05:23] <freddy_> well
[05:23] <pressure_man> any user that is allowed to execute ~any~ command via sudo, is as powerful/dangerous as root himself.
[05:23] <paul_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:23] <freddy_> in spanish it means sweat
[05:23] <freddy_> lol
[05:23] <nickrud> man, you go away for a while, and google changes out from under you.
[05:23] <paul_> ok bryan, i said almost everything
[05:23] <sfvt|beer> pressure_man: like someone just said, it's a saftey measure.
[05:23] <pressure_man> freedy_: that's pretty appropriate.
[05:23] <pressure_man> how is it safer?!
[05:23] <bryan> paul_: it was helpful w/ everything else... any insight on my 2hd booting issue?
[05:23] <freddy_> freedy lol
[05:23] <hondje> It's not a safety measure
[05:23] <hondje> It's to make life easier
[05:24] <freddy_> sfvt|beer cant cant cant :(
[05:24] <paul_> no i run a dedicated linux machine, dual booting seems kinda pointless to me
[05:24] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: cant? what?
[05:24] <paul_> so ive never tried to dual boot ubuntu, but i have dual booted xandros ok
[05:24] <freddy_> iwconfig wlan0 essid Alcaldia throws me to a prompt again.
[05:24] <pressure_man> i dual boot ubuntu and winxp fine
[05:24] <freddy_> so that seems ....good
[05:24] <beginnerMKII> How did you do that paul_?
[05:24] <Shuddertrix> I perfer having a terminal open at all times logged in as root, as it's easier that way
[05:24] <bryan> paul_: my wife insists on winxp and we have a spare so hd, so i though it'd be easy...
[05:25] <bryan> pressure_man: howd you set it up?
[05:25] <freddy_> sfvt|beer iwconfig wlan0 essid Alcaldia throws me to a prompt again.
[05:25] <freddy_> sfvt|beer that seems good
[05:25] <paul_> in xandros its a straight forward dialogue on install to dual boot, dunno about ubuntu
[05:25] <pressure_man> at least, i did dual boot ubuntu and winxp until this afternoon when i tried out breezy.
[05:25] <sham> whats the command to reconfigure xserver?
[05:25] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: well, it's suppose to return to the prompt.... but does it CHANGE the essid?
[05:25] <leanne> ok now I tried sudop and it says I am not in the sudoers file (even though I am the only cofigured user on here)  and it says the incident will be reported (to the nonexistent root I assume
[05:25] <pressure_man> now my ubuntu is no more... <sob>
[05:25] <freddy_> sfvt|beer but then i go with iwconfig again...and i get the same off/any
[05:25] <hindley> you can get a root shell by doing "sudo -s" anyway
[05:25] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: damn :(
[05:25] <freddy_> a lot of damn :(
[05:25] <cafuego> leanne: You need to add your user account into the 'admin' group.
[05:26] <pressure_man> bryan: just install ubuntu to a spare partition and it should detect your winxp partition, and list it as an option in grub menu
[05:26] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: remind me... what driver is it?
[05:26] <leanne> how do I access the accounts without the root password?
[05:26] <sham> how can i reconfigure xserver?
[05:26] <sham> whats the command
[05:27] <phaedrus_> hey Token....wudddduuuuuuup
[05:27] <paul_> # Read How to set/change/enable root user password?
[05:27] <paul_> # System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
[05:27] <paul_> # Login Screen Setup
[05:27] <phaedrus_> lol
[05:27] <paul_> Security Tab -> Options -> Allow root to login with GDM (Checked)
[05:27] <bryan> pressure_man: got that far... when the system reboots, it hangs at:
[05:27] <bryan> [i] GRUB loading, please wait...[/i]
[05:27] <[myg0t] blocky> okay I'm trying to compile envy24control from alsa-tools
[05:27] <bryan> and then nothing....
[05:27] <TokenBad> not much phaedrus_
[05:27] <[myg0t] blocky> but its giving me a whole whack of errors about GTK
[05:27] <cafuego> leanne: You need to do thata s root, which means you'll need to reboot and select the 'Restore' option.
[05:27] <cafuego> leanne: That will dump you in single-user mode in a root shell.
[05:28] <cafuego> leanne: Then type 'adduser leanne admin'
[05:28] <leanne> and then I go through some unintelligible command line nonsense I assume?
[05:28] <[myg0t] blocky> even though I installed gtk2-engines-dev
[05:28] <cafuego> leanne: And then 'exit'. the system will resume booting and you'll be able to run sudo.
[05:28] <freddy_> sfvt|beer ndiswrapper...the driver on the wifi card linksys WPC54GS
[05:28] <jasmuz> leanne: because we prefer to use sudo
[05:29] <leanne> ok... how to I get to restore?
[05:29] <cafuego> leanne: Reboot and select it from the boot loader menu.
[05:29] <[myg0t] blocky> also libgtk2.0-dev
[05:29] <sfvt|beer> freddy_: ugh... ndiswrapper. I've been avoiding this like the plague. The card isn't supported by a native driver?
[05:29] <ookii> can anyone please help me install jre, i'm getting kind of desperate
[05:29] <freddy_> nop
[05:29] <freddy_> :*
[05:29] <jasmuz> ookii: i can help
[05:29] <jasmuz> ookii: query me
[05:29] <sfvt|beer> ookii: what's the problem? java is pretty easy to install :)
[05:29] <leanne> so whoever is coding the os should account for people not knowing how to do this
[05:30] <blockit> lol
[05:30] <comadreja> where can I find etags and ebrowse in ubuntu ?
[05:30] <ookii> well getting java was easy, but jre is harder
[05:30] <sfvt|beer> ookii: hmm... explain what you're trying to do... I'm confused....
[05:31] <nickrud> ookii jre is easy, $ sudo apt-get update
[05:31] <nickrud> $ sudo apt-get install java-package java-common fakeroot
[05:31] <nickrud> download the sun jdk from java.sun.com
[05:31] <nickrud> ** edit /usr/share/java-package/sun-j2sdk.sh to reflect the actual JDK 1.5 release version.
[05:31] <nickrud> $ fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[05:31] <nickrud> $ sudo dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[05:31] <roy_> can anyone tell me how to change the user quota using quotatool?
[05:31] <paul_> leanne your gonna have to learn some command line stuff eventually, i tried not to for a long time and it only kept me from fully utilizing linux
[05:31] <sham> does anyone know the command to reconfigure xserver? it didnt install right
[05:31] <nickrud> heh, sorry, I did not mean to flood
[05:31] <leanne> fine :(
[05:31] <cafuego> !xcfg
[05:31] <ubotu> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' - Make sure to READ the info you get given, so you don't come back here to ask what you should enter in a field you were told to just leave blank.
[05:32] <paul_> most of the commands you need can be found in google
[05:32] <sfvt|beer> sham: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:32] <sham> thanks
[05:32] <cafuego> leanne: Well, normally the installer would add the user that is created to the admin group. That ahs worked fine on all ubuntu installs I've ever done.
[05:32] <TokenBad> in ubuntu how can see how much memory is being used?
[05:33] <cafuego> TokenBad: 'free'
[05:33] <jasmuz> ookii: query me
[05:33] <TokenBad> ok someone tell me what all it means?
[05:33] <leanne> ok thank you.
[05:33] <leanne> enjoy your repective evenings
[05:33] <pressure_man> my evening is usually disrespective
[05:34] <paul_> whens the next final release of ubuntu due?
[05:34] <pressure_man> october
[05:34] <crimsun> october
[05:34] <blockit> can someone help me with compiling envy24control
[05:34] <pallav> i finished installing wu ftp
[05:34] <paul_> breezy
[05:34] <cafuego> TokenBad: Your free memory is what'sl isted under 'free' plus what's under 'cached'.
[05:34] <blockit> i get hundreds of errors like this
[05:34] <crimsun> blockit, did you follow my suggestions?
[05:34] <blockit> envy24control.c:508: error: `GtkWidget' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:34] <pallav> but where should i look for in order to run it
[05:34] <blockit> i got those 2 packages
[05:34] <crimsun> blockit, you also need libgtk1.2-dev
[05:34] <pressure_man> pallav: why on earth do you want to run wu ftp?
[05:34] <blockit> and downloaded alsa-tools from their site
[05:34] <roy_> i have 20 gb on my root, but only have access to 2 gb in my user name. help changing quota?
[05:35] <blockit> i got that too
[05:35] <blockit> i think
[05:35] <paul_> what changes are planned for breezy?
[05:35] <cafuego> blockit: maybe the source is broken.
[05:35] <blockit> wait thats the old one?
[05:35] <nickrud> august may be runnable, i think
[05:35] <TokenBad> cafuego, its gave alot of lines
[05:35] <crimsun> blockit, install libgtk1.2-dev :)
[05:35] <TokenBad> like 3 I think
[05:35] <pallav> for file file transfer??
[05:35] <pallav> i guess
[05:35] <pressure_man> paul_: first, they're gonna totally break gpanel. then they're going to proceed to break the rest of X ;-)
[05:35] <pallav> what would be a better alternative??
[05:35] <blockit> libgtk1.2-dev is already the newest version.
[05:35] <cafuego> TokenBad: Yes. 3 lines, 7 columns.
[05:35] <nickrud> late august, anyway, I hope
[05:35] <sfvt|away> paul_: look on wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <sfvt|away> paul_: BreezyGoals I think
[05:36] <pressure_man> hopefully we get some new artwork in breezy.
[05:36] <TokenBad> so what part of that is my memory?
[05:36] <blockit> do you think i should try a newer rc of the source?
[05:36] <paul_> lol, theyve painted themselves in a corner with their philosophy of totally open source me thinks
[05:36] <pressure_man> i'm tired of shit brown.
[05:36] <blockit> i took the highest 'stable' release
[05:36] <pallav> new to bantu and any other GUI based unix sys
[05:36] <pallav> so don't really no what to do...
[05:36] <cafuego> TokenBad: All of it. The total ius listed under total on the 'Mem' row.
[05:36] <nickrud> paul_ the great thing about open source, is you get to step on it
[05:36] <pressure_man> pallav: proftpd is a good one. vsftpd is better.
[05:36] <blockit> alsa-tools-1.0.9.tar.bz2
[05:36] <blockit> and it wont compile
[05:37] <pallav> ok
[05:37] <pressure_man> pallav: wu ftpd  has had a very spotty security history
[05:37] <WildTangent> i know this isnt the right channel, but the right channel wasnt a lot of help. does anyone here know if knoppix has a tool to restore the windows boot loader?
[05:37] <paul_> well the opensource philosophy is easily circumvented
[05:37] <pallav> and after installation where should i look for it??
[05:37] <cafuego> TokenBad: The free memory is listed on the Mem: row under the 'free column. You should add whatever is listed under the 'cached' column too.
[05:37] <crimsun> blockit, sec, need to log in
[05:37] <TokenBad> ok
[05:37] <cafuego> WildTangent: #knoppix is there -->
[05:37] <pressure_man> pallav: apt-get install vsftpd. then edit the config in /etc/vsftpd.conf
[05:37] <WildTangent> i know..but its dead
[05:38] <paul_> i like puppy linux for a live cd, runs from memory instead of cdrom
[05:38] <cafuego> WildTangent: Well, how should we knoe if knoppix includesthe 'ms-sys' package? We don't use knoppix.
[05:38] <blockit> heh
[05:38] <user00265> what was that command to install packages again?
[05:38] <beer|sfvt> WildTanget: won't the windows cdrom do that?
[05:38] <WildTangent> just asking if anyone happened to know, if you dont, thats fine, just say so. i didnt ask for attitude
[05:38] <blockit> crimsun, please dont leave i will be back in 2 minutes
[05:38] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[05:39] <paul_> apt-get install
[05:39] <pressure_man> i think ubuntu should align their releases with 24th december.
[05:39] <sham> once i configure xserver it brings me back to command line
[05:39] <sham> what do i do
[05:39] <beer|sfvt> WildTanget: but we have it to spare ;)
[05:39] <pressure_man> so we can all have a shiny new ubuntu on xmas morning
[05:39] <user00265> thanks :)
[05:39] <beer|sfvt> pressure_man: no, I think Apr 13 is more approriate
[05:40] <freddy> omg :(
[05:40] <cafuego> sham: run X
[05:40] <sham> whats the command
[05:40] <paul_> transcoding a video on my winderz box, any aps for linux in that realm?
[05:40] <pressure_man> no matter, ubuntu will get about 3 new releases in before we see Looooooonghorn.
[05:40] <beer|sfvt> sham: to start X? try sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[05:40] <WildTangent> lol, longhorns going to spy on you
[05:40] <freddy> beer|sfvt, dude :( you dont have any thought?
[05:40] <WildTangent> M$ bought claria, the makers of Gator
[05:40] <crimsun> paul_, transcode. You may need to compile it manually if it's not available in a repository already.
[05:40] <paul_> longhorn will fail miserably
[05:40] <cafuego> paul_: 'transcode'
[05:41] <pressure_man> Windows codename Longhorn: guaranteed to be the most dual-booted OS in history.
[05:41] <WildTangent> everyones favourite adware/spyware program
[05:41] <paul_> xp will live on forever
[05:41] <paul_> its free hehe
[05:41] <pressure_man> The day that Microsoft make a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.
[05:41] <WildTangent> yes, XP is decent, longhorn isnt all that different
[05:41] <nickrud> heh, I have a legacy win98 intstall, I don't even have a disk to rescue it anymore. Who cares?
[05:41] <beer|sfvt> freddy: nope. I'm a little curious about ndiswrapper. I should probably try it sometime just to see how it works.
[05:41] <WildTangent> lol
[05:42] <freddy> oh well..thanks anyways man
[05:42] <pressure_man> Computers are like air conditioners. They work fine until you open Windows.
[05:42] <tamiya> MS forever!!!!!!!!!!
[05:42] <pressure_man> i'm here all week folks.
[05:42] <tamiya> how much does MS have in cold hard cash?
[05:42] <Agabus> hey people im about to install ubuntu for 64bit, first time i'm doing a 64bit install, i was wondering whether the repository apt-get available downloads are going to be compiled for 64bit? or do i still use the default 32bit repositories?
[05:42] <beer|sfvt> freddy: no problem... you're sure that there is no native driver for your card?
[05:42] <ShamblyHermit> Multiple Sclerosis?
[05:42] <Michel> Has anyone installed lirc under ubuntu?
[05:42] <eno> so what is better than ubuntu
[05:43] <pressure_man> Windows is written by programmers with MS.... heheh
[05:43] <paul_> define better
[05:43] <ShamblyHermit> eno - LFS
[05:43] <eno> this is extremely frustrating and I think I was happier with windoze
[05:43] <freddy> beer|sfvt, sure sure
[05:43] <freddy> =/
[05:43] <sham> ok i went through the entire config wized and input everything correctly and restarted X but it didnt work
[05:43] <eno> knoppix was awesome but it wouldn't install permanently
[05:43] <paul_> if you want a distro with no fuss or muss, get xandros, ubuntu will teach you more tho
[05:43] <beer|sfvt> john madden :P
[05:43] <ShamblyHermit> eno - Then you must really try LFS
[05:43] <misfit_toy> anybody have a better (i.e. easier to install) version of this? http://freshmeat.net/projects/qps/
[05:43] <Kyral> eno what us the problem?
[05:43] <WildTangent> Agavus: 64 bit gets a little temperamental, be prepared for bugs
[05:43] <freddy> i think windows is nice as linux is...just for diferent users.
[05:43] <remyforbes777> hey guys
[05:44] <nickrud> Agabus I hear that that there are some things that won't run under 64bit (firefox plugins, to start) unless you can work a chroot.
[05:44] <eno> the computer doesn't let me run apt
[05:44] <blocky> crimsun, any thoughts?
[05:44] <remyforbes777> got a question about kernel compilation
[05:44] <crimsun> freddy, driver for what card?
[05:44] <paul_> sudo apt-get install
[05:44] <crimsun> blocky, on what?
[05:44] <Kyral> eno: Have you tried sudo apt-get install?
[05:44] <pressure_man> linux runs faster. it doesn't need to run an antivirus prog which sucks 95% resources.
[05:44] <Michel> Has anyone installed lirc under ubuntu?
[05:44] <crimsun> blocky, it compiles fine for me here on Hoary (amd64)
[05:44] <remyforbes777> in the directory grup there is a file called initrd.img(kernel version)
[05:44] <blocky> on how i could get envy24control compiled
[05:44] <Agabus> WildTangent - why should it be any different/more buggy on 64bit? its just the same code compiled?
[05:44] <tamiya> if Microsoft has $100 billion (Australian) in cold hard cash, they'd earn $14.79 million dollars a DAY in an online savings account. Enough to pay for salaries even if they dont turn a profit
[05:44] <blocky> do you think i should try an earlier/later version?
[05:44] <freddy> i wont tell windows sucks, that is just aweful...they make a wonderful job...that its not like think and create...they work hard, as linux developers do...i think that both are awesome OS.
[05:44] <WildTangent> not really
[05:44] <remyforbes777> what does that file do
[05:45] <crimsun> blocky, are you on Hoary or Breezy?
[05:45] <WildTangent> the programs arent compiled for 64 bit
[05:45] <crimsun> blocky, 1.0.9 compiles fine for me.
[05:45] <tamiya> hahah linux :D
[05:45] <pressure_man> tamiya: is it enough to pay EU fines?
[05:45] <freddy> crimsun, linksys WPC54GS
[05:45] <paul_> i like whories
[05:45] <crimsun> freddy, ah, sorry.
[05:45] <blocky> hoary
[05:45] <tamiya> imagine the compounding interest
[05:45] <tamiya> i cant
[05:45] <remyforbes777> when i compile my kernel is a vile called initr.d img-kernelversion created?
[05:45] <freddy> ah damn :(
[05:45] <remyforbes777> file
[05:45] <crimsun> blocky, I literally installed build-essential, libasound2-dev, and libgtk1.2-dev. It compiles fine.
[05:45] <eno> ok I did that, it says I am not in the sudoers file and that the incident will be reported
[05:45] <tamiya> they can delay the EU fines
[05:45] <tamiya> MS aint going out of busiiness
[05:46] <pressure_man> and how much of that $100M is actually cash, instead of stocks?
[05:46] <Kyral> eno: Are you on the primary user account?
[05:46] <blocky> mine throws a huge number of errors about GTK stuff
[05:46] <blocky> undefined widget etc
[05:46] <eno> I don't know
[05:46] <eno> I just installed, and this is the only account
[05:46] <paul_> then you dont have any priviledges under your account eno
[05:46] <pressure_man> i'm not sure i would invest in MS these days
[05:46] <crimsun> blocky, you're inside the envy24control source directory, correct?
[05:46] <WildTangent> eno: are you the person that set this install up?
[05:46] <blocky> yes
[05:46] <eno> why not, there are no other users
[05:46] <Kyral> eno: Then you should have sudo power
[05:46] <blocky> the configure worked fine
[05:46] <eno> yes
[05:46] <eno> well what if I don't
[05:46] <blocky> i tried to make as a normal user and as root
[05:47] <tamiya> if that was stocks, MS would make even more money
[05:47] <WildTangent> wait...i had this problem on my first install, but it was because by some twist of fate, no user account was created, i had to login in the command prompt with root and make one
[05:47] <WildTangent> but it wasnt a sudo account
[05:47] <paul_> any chicks with nude pics inhere, preferably ones who weigh less than 175 pounds
[05:47] <tamiya> the curent interrest rate in Aust is only 5.5%
[05:47] <pressure_man> until the world switches to macosx/linux, and the value of MS shares tumbles
[05:47] <WildTangent> so i had to set that after
[05:47] <blocky> how odd
[05:47] <blocky> i just rebooted
[05:47] <blocky> and now it works
[05:47] <tamiya> whoops, i made my calculation on $100 billion using 5.4% instead of 5.5%
[05:48] <crimsun> blocky, http://pastebin.ca/16755
[05:48] <blocky> exact same sequence of commands
[05:48] <blocky> lemme see if it installs
[05:48] <pressure_man> i reckon within 10 years, the US will be about the only country using MS on a large scale.
[05:48] <eno> so I don't have sudo power, even though I should... what is the remedy?  migrate back to xp I suppose?
[05:48] <paul_> if you fucked up a ubuntu install, you probably should go back to windoz
[05:48] <Kyral> eno: I think WildTangent just told you what to do :P
[05:48] <blocky> hmm
[05:48] <WildTangent> login with with the command prompt, i believe you press escape while the computer boots to get to the menu
[05:48] <blocky> well its compiled
[05:48] <tamiya> eno: yes, XP is your best bet
[05:48] <blocky> but it says No ICE1712 cards found
[05:48] <blocky> so thats the next problem
[05:49] <pressure_man> anyway... kill -9 `pidof pressure_man`
[05:49] <eno> well this is totally retarded
[05:49] <jinnstar7> why is it that everybody who has any problem with linux no matter how small, their first inclination is to threaten to go back to xp
[05:49] <crimsun> blocky, so make sure it's loaded.
[05:49] <WildTangent> theres something in the guide about logging in as root in the command prompt
[05:49] <crimsun> blocky, lsmod|grep ^snd_ice
[05:49] <blocky> well im listening to xmms
[05:49] <beer|sfvt> freddy: have you read this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7319.html
[05:49] <tamiya> jinnstar7: why? who cares why. fix it
[05:49] <eno> oh is it in the guide?  I didn't see that
[05:49] <WildTangent> eno: if you think its retarded then mayber youre better suited for XP
[05:49] <blocky> snd_ice1724            49060  2
[05:49] <blocky> snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx      4096  1 snd_ice1724
[05:49] <WildTangent> ill get the guide page for you
[05:49] <paul_> zzzzzz kill
[05:49] <eno> I am just frustrated
[05:49] <WildTangent> it happens
[05:49] <tamiya> eno: understandable mate
[05:50] <Kyral> yah
[05:50] <blocky> appears to be loaded
[05:50] <eno> I have been trying to install linux for days.  arklinux corrupted one of my hard drives somehow
[05:50] <jinnstar7> tamiya, agreed, however if that same person has a problem with xp they don't go running to a xp message board or chat threatening to run to mac os or linux or bsd
[05:50] <aimaz> anyone who hasn't been frustrated with linux at some point has never used it
[05:50] <Kyral> We've all been there *cough*GENTOO*cough*
[05:50] <eno> blag was cool, maybe I should go back to that
[05:50] <tamiya> jinnstar7: they'd probably know someone in person that could help
[05:51] <pallav> pressure_man
[05:51] <tamiya> help with WinXP, that is
[05:51] <crimsun> blocky, it doesn't work at all with the 1724
[05:51] <crimsun> blocky, you need to use alsamixer or amixer instead
[05:51] <pallav> how to start the service ??
[05:51] <nickrud> *LFS(pre-split)*cough*
[05:51] <eno> I think linux takes longer to boot but it's faster once you are in
[05:51] <kevogod> GNU/Linux is faster than what?
[05:52] <eno> windoze
[05:52] <jinnstar7> take a look at linuxquestions.org see how many posts start with HELP me now or I'm running back to XP!!! ( in all caps)
[05:52] <tamiya> eno: you're joking right
[05:52] <WildTangent> eno: are you using warty or hoary?
[05:52] <Kyral> Actually Linux is faster to boot :P
[05:52] <eno> hoary
[05:52] <tamiya> windows feels way faster
[05:52] <beer|sfvt> jinnstar7: amen. I hate when people threaten to run back to windows.
[05:52] <tamiya> far snappier
[05:52] <Amaranth> windows boots faster
[05:52] <Amaranth> because it cheats
[05:52] <Kyral> tamiya: I hope that is sarcasm
[05:52] <jasmuz> I have a question, i own a Sharp Zaurus SL5500, i wish to establish connection between it and Ubuntu, i have multisync installed, anybody know how to? query me
[05:52] <eno> yeah it's like it keeps loading everything all the time
[05:52] <tamiya> amaranth: cheating is good :D
[05:53] <beer|sfvt> jasmuz: your persistent. I like that ;)
[05:53] <Amaranth> it would actually run slower but things would feel faster
[05:53] <blocky> mine is a VIA Envy 24PT
[05:53] <kevogod> Mac OS 10.4.X boots faster yet.
[05:53] <nickrud> lol
[05:53] <WildTangent> eno: http://ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootwithoutlogin
[05:53] <kevogod> launchd man
[05:53] <tamiya> i wish MS would put large chunks of the OS in ROM, EEPROM, firmware, whatever :D
[05:53] <blocky> crimsun, why is envy24control looking for 1724?
[05:53] <nickrud> truth is lies, lies are truth
[05:53] <Amaranth> launchd is a little cracktastic
[05:53] <blocky> its an AV-710
[05:53] <eno> thanks for the url buddy *D
[05:53] <tamiya> or someone make a flash drive thats writeable foreever
[05:54] <Amaranth> it uses xml plists, which is odd
[05:54] <crimsun> blocky, the code literally doesn't support the 1724 yet
[05:54] <jasmuz> beer|sfvt: somewhat
[05:54] <hondje> Amaranth: does anything use launchd yet?
[05:54] <kevogod> Mac OS 10.4.X
[05:54] <Kyral> OS X is NIIIICE
[05:54] <blocky> well what can i use as a 7.1 mixer?
[05:55] <tamiya> kyral: agreed
[05:55] <kevogod> There might be plans to implement it in FreeBSD
[05:55] <Kyral> the one thing I dislike about Safari is no tabbed browsing
[05:55] <jinnstar7> osx is very nice.....it feels too sterile to me though
[05:55] <kevogod> uh
[05:55] <tamiya> I'm planning to get me a Mac
[05:55] <eno> hey um wildtangent, um when I do that it puts me at a command prompt...
[05:55] <kevogod> There is too.
[05:55] <pallav> how to start vsftpd??
[05:55] <kevogod> Kyral: You have to turn tabbed browsing on.
[05:55] <freddy> is it correct that when i do ifconfig the Link encap on  eth0 is the same on wlan0?
[05:55] <calc> pallav: /etc/init.d/vsftpd start
[05:55] <Kyral> Not in the one on my uncles Mac, but hten again I wasn't allowed to screw with configs under threat of death
[05:55] <kevogod> Kyral: It is a simple tick of a checkbox and then Safari uses tabbed browsing.
[05:56] <WildTangent> theres a different one you need, recovery mode gives you a command prompt, but you need to login as root
[05:56] <WildTangent> you need to have a root pass to do that
[05:56] <WildTangent> and by default, ubuntu doesnt set one
[05:56] <eno> I installed with a root pasword
[05:56] <WildTangent> http://ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootmodifykernel
[05:56] <beer|sfvt> freddy: the Hwaddr?
[05:56] <eno> do you want to know what it is?
[05:56] <remyforbes777> kernel question
[05:56] <kevogod> Kyral: To be truthful, a lot of people do not like tabbed browsing.
[05:56] <freddy> beer|sfvt, its diferent on eth0 and wlan0
[05:56] <Kyral> but anyway, I would LOVE to see a WM based on OSX (hell, maybe even a reverse engineered one)
[05:56] <jinnstar7> kevogod: like who?
[05:56] <WildTangent> ?
[05:57] <freddy> beer|sfvt, but the eth0 is Ethernet on both
[05:57] <beer|sfvt> freddy: as it should be... assuming they're different devices
[05:57] <kevogod> jinnstar7: Your average computer user
[05:57] <freddy> beer|sfvt,  i really think this is more like a configuration issue than a card issue :(
[05:57] <remyforbes777> there is a file in the boot directory called initr.d (old kernel) should I have one of these reflecting my new compiled kernel and if so where do i get it from
[05:57] <freddy> beer|sfvt, more like trying to configure it with ifconfig or something
[05:57] <eno> um, so is xandros any good?
[05:57] <freddy> i need to configure the device....
[05:57] <Kyral> some effects I would love to see in GNOME or something
[05:58] <WildTangent> i heard it was ok
[05:58] <jinnstar7> kevogod: I don't believe I've met anyone who doesn't prefer tabbed browsing to separate windows after trying it
[05:58] <blocky> crimsun, do you know what i can use as a mixer for my 7.1 setup?
[05:58] <WildTangent> if you want a really easy to use, no hastle distro, try out PC Linux OS
[05:58] <Kyral> I'm gonna get a Mac Mini just so I can screw around and install Portage on it :P
[05:58] <eno> anyways, I give up.  I can use my computer without installing frozen bubble
[05:58] <remyforbes777> there is a file in the boot directory called initr.d (old kernel) should I have one of these reflecting my new compiled kernel and if so where do i get it from
[05:58] <eno> I will just use the web port
[05:59] <Kyral> eno: Next time you reboot.. :P
[05:59] <beer|sfvt> freddy: configuring with ifconfig won't be much use if you dont have the essid set correctly.
[06:00] <beer|sfvt> freddy: you need to find someone who has used ndiswrapper before and see if they're able to set the essid via iwconfig
[06:00] <crimsun> blocky, amixer, alsamixer{gui}, ...
[06:00] <adwait> hola ppl
[06:00] <jinnstar7> freddy: install wifi-radar
[06:00] <jinnstar7> makes it easy to set the essid
[06:01] <freddy> woah this is nice, i connected the ipod and no hastle
[06:01] <freddy> YAY!
[06:01] <freddy> at least
[06:01] <WildTangent> hey eno...i might have a really easy solution for you
[06:01] <nickrud> remyforbes777 it depends. As long as you have compiled the boot disk file system tyoe into to the kernel (not as a module) you shouldn't need a initrd. Of course, the need to get that stuff into the kernel is the reason I don't compile kernels myself anymore
[06:01] <freddy> now....hrmm im having another issue...i cant listen to music
[06:01] <freddy> wtf
[06:01] <WildTangent> put in your install cd and when it gives you the boot prompt, type rescue
[06:02] <remyforbes777> nickrud: thanks
[06:02] <crimsun> freddy, as in you can't hear anything or as in sound programs throw errors?
[06:02] <misfit_toy> man, 'gnome-system-monitor' is a handy tool, and is built into gnome on ubuntu, why didn't they create a link to it?
[06:02] <nickrud> remyforbes777 heh, I've done you no favor, just given you a warning :)
[06:02] <remyforbes777> nickrud: do i have to check out make menuconfig to see if I compiled it as part of the kernel
[06:03] <freddy> crimsun, it doesnt throw error...just cant listen...i open the volume thingy...and i can see it sounds...but i cant hear shit...and all the volumes are up
[06:03] <freddy> strange..
[06:03] <pepperpot> I've swapped my hard drives around and now when I apt-get upgrade linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7 it complains about "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hda6 is not a block device" even though that's not my boot device anymore
[06:03] <crimsun> freddy, cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:03] <freddy> 0 snd_intel8x0
[06:04] <crimsun> freddy, paste the output of the following commands to pastebin.ca: lsmod; amixer
[06:04] <ircrob> anyone done scaling with vlc ?
[06:05] <pepperpot> never mind I figured it out
[06:06] <freddy> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/16760
[06:06] <freddy> thats amixer
[06:07] <nickrud> remyforbes777 yes, and, I will go no further down this road. I haven't compiled a kernel for a while, and, no offence, but if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't either.
[06:07] <freddy> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/16761
[06:07] <freddy> thats lsmod
[06:08] <Discipulus> freddy, why didn't you just put them in the same post?
[06:08] <nickrud> remyforbes777 unless, you just want to have some fun :)
[06:08] <remyforbes777> nickrud: im trying to learn, if i mess it up I just reinstall and try again, no biggie
[06:08] <freddy> lol sorry....i thought it would be quite a mess Discipulus
[06:08] <Michel> Has anyone installed lirc under ubuntu? IT'S DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!
[06:08] <nickrud> remyforbes777 yeah, that's the definition of fun.
[06:08] <blocky> okay
[06:08] <remyforbes777> nickrud: you cant learn it fully unless you ask questions about things you dont know and making mistakes
[06:09] <blocky> as it is right now
[06:09] <blocky> my rear speakers work
[06:09] <blocky> my side ones dont
[06:09] <blocky> my center doesnt
[06:09] <blocky> and my front left but not front right works
[06:09] <blocky> wtf
[06:09] <blocky> i dont get it
[06:09] <blocky> lol
[06:09] <KarlosII> mixer settings
[06:09] <nickrud> remyforbes777 np, I never compiled a kernel but for fun :)
[06:09] <crimsun> blocky, read the envy sections on alsa.opensrc.org
[06:10] <beginnerMKII> lol blocky
[06:10] <blocky> okay side speakers work when i set the sub to upmix from 5.1
[06:10] <blocky> but still no center or front right
[06:11] <blocky> okay crimsun
[06:11] <freddy> crimsun, did you get the links?
[06:11] <blocky> the only section i can see on that page is about envy24control, which doesnt work
[06:12] <freddy> oh this is fun if i try to play the mp3 with xmms it hangs
[06:12] <crimsun> freddy, you need to mute Mix
[06:12] <freddy> damn..how?
[06:13] <crimsun> freddy, you also need to configure XMMS to use esound instead of OSS for output if you're using the default Ubuntu settings
[06:14] <aimaz> my ISPs DNS servers appear down, is there another I can use somewhere?
[06:14] <crimsun> freddy, you can use the volume control in gnome, or you can open a terminal and use alsamixer
[06:14] <gorilla_> hi guys, I have recently installed ubuntu and have noticed that the lo interface doesn't come up. is auto lo\n iface lo inet loopback\n (where \n is a newline) the right lines to add to /etc/network/interfaces.
[06:15] <crimsun> gorilla_, yes, but they should exist in that file already.
[06:15] <gorilla_> aimaz, yes... you can use any other dns server... such googles :-)
[06:15] <gorilla_> crimsun, they didn't for some reason. /me shrugs
[06:15] <aimaz> gorilla_, do you happen to know the IP?
[06:16] <jozzer> are there only the packages in synaptic package manager avalible to ubuntu?
[06:16] <jozzer> eg I would like xawtv
[06:16] <gorilla_> aimaz, try  <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:16] <crimsun> jozzer, it's preferable to stick with those shown in Synaptic, yes, but you can add additional repositories
[06:16] <blocky> okay
[06:16] <blocky> i turned up all the channels in alsamixer
[06:16] <blocky> and i still dont get any sound from some speakers
[06:17] <gorilla_> blocky, some speakers?
[06:17] <crimsun> blocky, contrary to popular belief, simply turning them all up doesn't do what you expect
[06:17] <johntramp> hey can I use this mirror in ubuntu?  ftp://jetstreamgames.co.nz/
[06:17] <johntramp> in apt sources
[06:17] <blocky> lol
[06:17] <crimsun> blocky, it's a combination of muting and increasing selected elements. The envy pages on the alsa wiki have more info.
[06:17] <aimaz> gorilla_, i'm getting no ping reply from that, maybe the problem is more complex than i though, i hate networking problems like this, it hurts my head
[06:17] <jozzer> crimsun: no mplayer then for ubuntu
[06:17] <blocky> well i dont have a real 7.1 control panel
[06:18] <crimsun> jozzer, sure there is, it's in multiverse.
[06:18] <freddy> damn cant find Mix to mute it crimsun
[06:18] <crimsun> freddy, you can scroll left and right using those arrow keys in alsamixer
[06:18] <jozzer> crimsun: ??
[06:19] <johntramp> ok, can I use a debian apt mirror in ubuntu?
[06:19] <freddy> crimsun, yes but i cant see a Mix in there, just Mic Auxiliar...and stuff like that
[06:19] <freddy> i swear
[06:19] <nickrud> jozzer yeah, did you change your /etc/sources.list like I suggested?
[06:19] <crimsun> johntramp, it's not recommended
[06:19] <freddy> i changed the driver on xmms crimsun now it doesnt hangs...but it wont sound...it just plays
[06:19] <jozzer> nickrud: ?
[06:19] <nickrud> jozzer that will let you get mplayer from multiverse
[06:19] <blocky> crimsun, can you point me to the envy pages on that site
[06:19] <blocky> even when i use the search all I can find is envy24control
[06:19] <johntramp> crimsun, ok
[06:20] <gorilla_> johntramp, don't do that.. debian and ubuntu is slightly different... you can break things that way.
[06:20] <jozzer> nickrud: when did you suggest that?
[06:20] <crimsun> blocky, the ones called ice1712 and ice1724
[06:20] <nickrud> jozzer, maybe it wasn't you but: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles
[06:21] <crimsun> freddy, does using aplay with a wav file after killing esd work?
[06:21] <gustavor> how is ata support in hoary? does it work out of the box?
[06:21] <johntramp> so what is the difference between multiverse and universe ?
[06:21] <nickrud> jozzer replace /etc/apt/sources.list with the 'better organized' version, then, apt-get mplayer will work
[06:21] <crimsun> johntramp, licensing issues
[06:22] <blocky> envy24control says it cant find any ICE1712 cards
[06:22] <jozzer> nickrud: yes I get it :-)
[06:22] <blocky> johntramp, non-free software
[06:22] <crimsun> blocky, that's because you don't have an ice1712 card
[06:22] <nickrud> jozzer it's a hobby horse of mine, if you need more help with it, ask.
[06:22] <blocky> umm
[06:22] <blocky> I have an AV-710
[06:22] <blocky> which uses envy24
[06:22] <jozzer> nickrud: I used debian ages ago
[06:22] <blocky> chipset
[06:22] <crimsun> blocky, look at the driver you're using. It's not ice1712, it's ice1724.
[06:22] <johntramp> crimsun, so if i dont care about using closed source etc. which should I use?
[06:22] <blocky> :S
[06:22] <nickrud> jozzer then, we're good :)
[06:23] <freddy> how do i go about killing esd?
[06:23] <crimsun> johntramp, multiverse, etc.
[06:23] <crimsun> freddy, pkill esd
[06:23] <sean_> how can i remove the gnome titlebar, scrollbar, and border?
[06:23] <blocky> i cant find any information on how to set alsamixer to get all the channels working
[06:23] <sean_> on a window
[06:23] <Michel> AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
[06:23] <gorilla_> freddy, a better way if you just want to turn it off is esdctl off
[06:24] <jozzer> I just dont like the fact that its not supported and rhythmbox is ?!?!?!
[06:24] <Michel> CAN ANYONE GET LIRC WORKING?
[06:24] <johntramp> crimsun, so is multiverse bigger than universe?
[06:24] <Michel> I m going nuts!!!
[06:24] <crimsun> johntramp, no, universe is much larger
[06:24] <johntramp> ok
[06:24] <gorilla_> Michel, :-) what's up??
[06:24] <freddy> now where to find a wav file
[06:24] <freddy> hehe
[06:25] <gorilla_> freddy, try a dozer box :-P
[06:25] <crimsun> freddy, /usr/share/sounds/
[06:25] <nickrud> jozzer if you've used debian, you know why mplayer is in multiverse
[06:25] <johntramp> crimsun, so does this look right,   deb ftp://linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz/pub/ubuntu/ warty universe
[06:25] <Michel> gorilla_: I'm going nuts. I m trying to instll lirc, but the modules are not give in a compiled form!!!
[06:25] <Michel> I cannot believe it!
[06:25] <crimsun> johntramp, not using the official nz mirror?
[06:25] <blocky> the headphone channel seems to control the back speakers
[06:25] <freddy> crimsun, nop..does not sounds :(
[06:26] <blocky> the master seems to control the front left
[06:26] <gorilla_> Michel, heh... you have enabled multiverse and universe?
[06:26] <crimsun> freddy, are you using default alsa?
[06:26] <freddy> yes i spose
[06:26] <Michel> gorilla_, yes
[06:26] <freddy> i havent installed anything
[06:26] <crimsun> freddy, then I'd compile alsa-source from universe
[06:26] <johntramp> crimsun, are you nz?
[06:26] <gorilla_> Michel, that does sounds nuts :-(
[06:26] <freddy> omg
[06:26] <crimsun> johntramp, no
[06:26] <blocky> PCM is the master volume
[06:27] <Michel> gorilla_, all it gives are the sources, but frankly they do not know what they are doing!
[06:27] <blocky> surround doesnt control anything
[06:27] <Michel> So I went back to lirc.org
[06:27] <crimsun> freddy, it's simple. Install build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), and alsa-source.
[06:27] <johntramp> crimsun, ok, well this one can be connected to at ~6mbit compared to 256kbit
[06:27] <Michel> downloaded the stuff just like I did on SUSE. Compiled it installed it, so far so good...
[06:27] <blocky> center, LFE, line and CD all do nothing
[06:27] <Michel> gorilla_, then when I do modprobe lirc_sir, I get:
[06:28] <Michel> WARNING: Error inserting lirc_dev (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/lirc_dev.ko): Invalid module format
[06:29] <Michel> I must say I have not followed what .ko are, vs .o
[06:29] <blocky> disabling alternate level to surruond out turns off surround
[06:29] <`crimsun> lovely.
[06:29] <`crimsun> Michel, in the context of kernel modules, .ko are for version 2.6+ whereas .o are for earlier
[06:29] <Michel> but no idea why I get that error
[06:30] <sean_> anyone know how to remove gnome titlebars?
[06:30] <Michel> `crimsun, ok what's the simplest way of compiling kernel modules?
[06:30] <gorilla_> Michel, what version of kernel are you using?
[06:30] <`crimsun> Michel, using the ubuntu-provided tools
[06:30] <adwait> sean_:title bars? as in the bars tht appears on top of the application with the name of the appliacation?
[06:31] <Michel> maybe I should not have installed and configured the kernel source? just keep the headers?
[06:31] <blocky> is there anything I can use besides alsamixer to enable all the channels?
[06:31] <Pickles2> can someone look at this? I'm the 3rd post.
[06:31] <sean_> adwait, yes i want to make an app completely transparent so it looks like its on the wallpaper
[06:31] <Pickles2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42493
[06:31] <`crimsun> Michel, you only need linux-headers-$(uname -r) to compile kernel modules
[06:32] <Michel> ok i have the headers. Should I re install them?
[06:32] <adwait> sean_:no idea dude......i dont think thats possible.....but hey its linux, anything can be done :)
[06:32] <sean_> hmm, ive done it with fluxbox
[06:32] <Michel> maybe trying to start a kernel compile screws up the header links
[06:32] <sean_> i jsut forget
[06:32] <nickrud> gee, I wish someone would hand me a g5 :)
[06:33] <Pickles2> lol
[06:33] <sean_> i want to remove the borders from a transparent aterm window
[06:33] <sean_> ive seen it done on gnome
[06:33] <ShamblyHermit> gee I wish someone would hand me their girlfriend
[06:33] <Pickles2> can't help you. I don't have one
[06:34] <signbarn> does anyone know what kind of image the MatrixView screen saver is looking for? i point it at a directory with pictures and it does nothing.
[06:34] <Pickles2> anyone have any ideas?
[06:34] <Pickles2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42493
[06:35] <Michel> configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed for this driver
[06:35] <blocky> `crimsun, should I be using ice1712
[06:35] <blocky> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=ice1712
[06:35] <Michel> `cimsun: help!!!
[06:35] <blocky> The ice1712 driver is used for sound cards that use the Envy24 chipset.
[06:35] <Michel> `crimsun: help!!!
[06:35] <nickrud> well, Pickles2 if you ship me your machine, I'll give it a go :)
[06:36] <neodium> can anyone put me on the path to a simple way to sharing my adsl net connection to other windows machines
[06:36] <Pickles2> yeah, right...
[06:36] <Pickles2> :)
[06:36] <nickrud> lol
[06:36] <adwait> neodium: u hv a router
[06:36] <adwait> ?
[06:36] <neodium> no
[06:36] <blocky> anyone know what the correct driver for an AV-710 sound card is
[06:36] <neodium> 2 nics
[06:36] <blocky> is it ice1712 or 1724
[06:36] <adwait> ok brb
[06:37] <gorilla_> blocky, try one then the other if you need to :-)
[06:37] <ukato> is there a graphical frontend to reconfigure X?
[06:37] <blocky> hmm
[06:37] <blocky> can i just rmmod and modprobe?
[06:37] <`crimsun> blocky, you _can't_ use ice1712.
[06:38] <blocky> why?
[06:38] <`crimsun> blocky, your hardware is ice1724-based
[06:38] <Amaranth> ukato: Well, you could make dpkg-reconfigure use X instead of a curses interface.
[06:38] <blocky> my hardware is envy24 based
[06:38] <gorilla_> ukato, only for changing screen resolution or refresh rate
[06:38] <blocky> ice1712 is a driver written for envy24
[06:38] <nickrud> Pickles2 seriously though, you might try asking on the user's mailing list. It gets (IMHO) a better quality response than the forums.
[06:38] <blocky> i dont understand
[06:38] <`crimsun> your hardware uses the ice1724 driver, _not_ the ice1712 one
[06:38] <Pickles2> ok
[06:38] <Pickles2> thanks
[06:38] <ukato> well, i switched monitors, and i can't get my resolution over 640x480, so i'm trying to fix that
[06:38] <Amaranth> ukato: iirc you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' and choose to use X and/or GTK
[06:38] <blocky> which hardware uses ice1724?
[06:39] <`crimsun> blocky, many. Check out the ones listed.
[06:39] <Michel> AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Now it says the kernel is not configured for module unloading!!!
[06:39] <Amaranth> ukato: But you'll still need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' at a terminal to make that come up
[06:39] <Michel> It's driving me NUTS!
[06:39] <agabus> why do u name the iso's for 64bit cpu's amd64 when it is also for the intel 64 bit chips?
[06:39] <Michel> Anyone installed another kernel?
[06:39] <Michel> Maybe that's what I should do....
[06:39] <Amaranth> agabus: Linus decided that since AMD invented the technology the kernel will call it amd64
[06:40] <blocky> but mine isn't listed under either
[06:40] <ukato> amaranth, ok, and that should fix whatever's wrong?
[06:40] <agabus> Amaranth - ah k.
[06:40] <ukato> thanks btw
[06:40] <signbarn> I'm having troubles with smeg. when i open it from the Applications menu, it does nothing. When I run it from a command line with "sudo" it opens, and when i close it, I get strange errors, and it doesn't update my menus at all.
[06:40] <blocky> im just trying to make sure im using the correct driver
[06:40] <Amaranth> ukato: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should let you fix things
[06:40] <gorilla_> agabus, intel was starting with a clean slate for their 64bit process and not compatible with binaries for amd64.
[06:40] <ukato> thanks again
[06:40] <`crimsun> blocky, you are using the correct driver. the envy24control tool just hasn't been updated to support your chipset.
[06:41] <agabus> gorilla_ - but intel and amd binaries are compatible
[06:41] <Amaranth> signbarn: Hi, I'm the author of smeg. What are the errors?
[06:41] <`crimsun> Michel, what do you need?
[06:41] <blocky> my card is Envy 24PT
[06:41] <Amaranth> signbarn: PM them to me
[06:41] <signbarn> should I copy and paste in here?
[06:41] <blocky> which uses VT1720 chipset
[06:41] <blocky> not VT1712
[06:41] <blocky> does it work anyway?
[06:41] <Michel> `crimsun I need a working lirc_sir module.
[06:41] <Michel> with lirc_dev
[06:41] <neodium> lol i think adwait ran away :(
[06:42] <Michel> `crimsun, I think I amgoing to compile 2.6.12 on my own and try it. Have you done that lately?
[06:43] <`crimsun> Michel, yes. You shouldn't need to do that.
[06:43] <Pickles2> can anybody help me here?
[06:43] <Pickles2> My problem ---->    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42493
[06:43] <Michel> the stupid directives in the lirc-modules-source are not working
[06:43] <Pickles2> emphasis on here
[06:44] <Michel> `crimsun, can you compile them for me and make a package?
[06:44] <blocky> is there such a thing as ice1720 driver?
[06:44] <Michel> It says it shoudl work, but it did not for me.
[06:44] <Amaranth> Pickles2: You need to use a program that knows how to burn a bootable CD.
[06:45] <Pickles2> so apple's burner won't cut it?
[06:45] <`crimsun> blocky, 1720? no
[06:45] <Pickles2> i used the drag-onto-a-blank-disk-then-click-burn method
[06:45] <blocky> that is my exact chipset
[06:46] <blocky> are you sure i need ice1724 and not ice1712
[06:46] <Amaranth> Pickles2: I don't think so, no.
[06:46] <blocky> neither are exactly what i need
[06:46] <Amaranth> Pickles2: Toast or whatever that app is called should do it.
[06:46] <beginnerMKII>  Guys i'm consider doing a dual boot thing and having linux and windows on this pc, i have two harddrives, will they be reffered to as hda & hdb at the partition screen bit, what happens after its installed? Do i go into BIOS to select which OS boots on startup, i thought the whole point of dualboot was that i wouldn't have to do that ? will i get a choice instead? i guess it just comes down to me totally paranoid about losing windows,
[06:46] <Amaranth> Pickles2: They probably have a trial version
[06:46] <Pickles2> thanks
[06:47] <Pickles2> it's Toast
[06:47] <Pickles2> by Roxio
[06:47] <Pickles2> for future reference
[06:47] <`crimsun> blocky, yes, you need the 1724. It covers the 172xes.
[06:47] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: a program called a bootloader will install, giving you a choice of OS' to boot from
[06:47] <blocky> okay
[06:47] <blocky> so the problem is just the mixer config?
[06:47] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: and it sux
[06:47] <Pickles2> does it?
[06:47] <blocky> is it possible to get full 7.1 surround support with just alsamixer?
[06:47] <beginnerMKII> Cool nalioth_wrkn, how do i do that though? Do i download that onto XP? XP is all i have right now
[06:48] <`crimsun> blocky, the problem is mixer settings. Search around, and you'll find suitable ones that others have cobbled together.
[06:48] <Pickles2> and is there a viabale alternative?
[06:48] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: there are many fine cd writing softwares for OSX that are free
[06:48] <blocky> on http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=ice1724
[06:48] <blocky> just over half way down
[06:48] <nalioth_wrkn> imho, toast is a bloated worthless waste of space
[06:48] <blocky> Just some cut and paste from a mailinglist posting concerning the ICE1724 Controls by Takashi Iwai:
[06:49] <blocky> how do I set those settings?
[06:49] <`crimsun> you can use alsamixer or amixer or ...
[06:49] <Pickles2> i'm asking if you would suggest something, or if they all work
[06:49] <nickrud> beginnerMKII what the disks are called depends on which cable they are plugged into.
[06:49] <beginnerMKII> ?/
[06:49] <blocky> or?
[06:49] <beginnerMKII> Cable???
[06:49] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: do you use the fink package manager?
[06:49] <blocky> how do i add this kind of thing to alsamixer
[06:49] <blocky> > numid=6, iface=MIXER,name='H/W Playback Route',index=1
[06:49] <blocky> > ...
[06:49] <blocky> > numid=12,iface=MIXER,name='H/W Playback Route',index=7
[06:50] <gorilla_> agabus, they weren't going to be originally!!... Intel scrapped a line to cpu that enver really made it to market.
[06:50] <neodium> can anyone put me on the path to a simple way to sharing my adsl net connection to other windows machines?
[06:50] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[06:50] <beginnerMKII> Cool thanks
[06:50] <Unintentional> Hey, does anyone know how to bind keys to commands in Ubuntu?  A quick Google search is coming up pretty dry.
[06:50] <abbot45> did they remove the menu editors from the apt repositories?
[06:51] <abbot45> wasnt "smeg" one of them?  its not there now.
[06:51] <Pickles2> about 2 minutes ago, some bugs were reported
[06:52] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: are you familiar with the fink project?
[06:52] <`crimsun> blocky, you need to read the documentation.
[06:52] <`crimsun> blocky, if it's a definition, you'd add it to ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf
[06:52] <Demonicus> is ubuntu a nix distro?
[06:52] <Pickles2> yeah
[06:52] <Pickles2> but i don't have it on this computer
[06:52] <Pickles2> aargh
[06:53] <alberto_> why not, breezy ?
[06:53] <alberto_> whats breezy ?
[06:53] <Amaranth> breezy is the name of the next version of ubuntu
[06:53] <six2one> seemingly unstable version of ubuntu
[06:53] <Amaranth> it's in development right now
[06:53] <alberto_> why not horry hasnt had updates in ages :)
[06:53] <alberto_> hoary
[06:53] <gorilla_> Demonicus, go to www.ubuntulinux.com then come back to ask questions
[06:54] <blocky> `crimsun, if i make changes to amix do i need to restart alsa?
[06:54] <six2one> i installe dit on my T40p and it worked fine until i ran apt then X dies so hard you wouldnt beleive...couldnt recover it...so im in hoary now :)
[06:54] <gorilla_> alberto_, it has... but for security updates only...
[06:54] <nickrud> alberto_ that warning is so uks people who think we know what we're doing don't bother the people who do know what they're doing :)
[06:55] <FreeFrog454> Hi all
[06:55] <phaedrus_> Linux [kernel 2.6.10]  || CPU: mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP-M 1600+ at 1393.688MHz [2752.51 bogomips]  || Disk: 1.92 used of 18.36Gb || Mem: used 0.0/0.0 Swap: used 0.0/0.0 || Up: 6 Load: 1.18,
[06:55] <alberto_> ehy all imput is good
[06:55] <FreeFrog454> Back in windows now
[06:55] <gorilla_> nickrud, or the people that want to fix broken software vs those that don't/can't.
[06:55] <FreeFrog454> Anyone have any recommendations for a beginner's book to Linux
[06:55] <FreeFrog454> OR a good web reference?
[06:56] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, Linux For Dummies
[06:56] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: ubuntu wiki !
[06:56] <goldfish> linux for dummies is crap
[06:56] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, google.com  <----- great source
[06:56] <alberto_> :-P
[06:56] <phaedrus_> just get ubuntu or mepis and go for it
[06:56] <gorilla_> FreeFrog454, rute guide :-)
[06:56] <phaedrus_> no reading necessary
[06:56] <goldfish> indeed
[06:56] <Pickles2> old joke, alberto
[06:56] <goldfish> just use linux, you'll learn alot
[06:56] <six2one> just get a list of commands and what they do and just play
[06:56] <alberto_> hehe
[06:56] <goldfish> learn to love the console
[06:56] <FreeFrog454> What about Wiley Linux All-In-One desk reference
[06:57] <goldfish> The linux Cookbook by o reilly is good
[06:57] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, Books are not good
[06:57] <nickrud> gorilla_, same thing, from my lowly perspective ;P
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> OK. good stuff so far
[06:57] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, lizen to the guys telling you to just go for it
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> Wiki confirmed.
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> I'll check out Linux for dummies
[06:57] <alberto_> dont
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, google has too much info though
[06:57] <alberto_> it will not help you
[06:57] <gorilla_> nickrud, keep a lart handy at all times :-)
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, why do you say that
[06:57] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: that book is crap man, seriously.
[06:57] <alberto_> just trial and error
[06:57] <FreeFrog454> phaedrus_, I've got ubuntu installed
[06:58] <nalioth_wrkn> FreeFrog454: the console is truly your friend
[06:58] <FreeFrog454> phaedrus_, I've been tinkering with it, but you have to understand that I'm 99% n00b to linux :)
[06:58] <alberto_> then take it one problem at a time
[06:58] <goldfish> all of those for dummies" books suck
[06:58] <FreeFrog454> nalioth_wrkn, yep
[06:58] <nalioth_wrkn> FreeFrog454: it will be with you after X chokes and goes home
[06:58] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, I agree, but it's free (library)
[06:58] <gorilla_> FreeFrog454, the ubuntu wiki is probbaly the best source for docos and other links for ubuntu.
[06:58] <nickrud> gorilla_ I do, I do, I do.
[06:58] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, yea, definitely.
[06:58] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: ah, well then , get anything with linux in it :)
[06:58] <alberto_> goldfish, i know, i got sex for dummies, but learned more from trial and error :-)
[06:58] <alberto_> LOL
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, "just use linux" <-- I agree, but I can't just dive into console knowing everything
[06:59] <Pickles2> all these utilites i'm finding to create a bootable disk are for windows
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, I have to have a guide for it
[06:59] <Pickles2> you do
[06:59] <Pickles2> it's called man
[06:59] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: :)
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> Pickles2, Yep, man is cool BUT
[06:59] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, when you dont know how to do something.... google it
[06:59] <alberto_> is what i do
[06:59] <alberto_> nobady is born knowing
[06:59] <phaedrus_> yo FreeFrog...fuck with it for a while
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> Pickles2, I've noticed that man is useful when you have a question
[06:59] <phaedrus_> night yall!
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> phaedrus_, already on it
[06:59] <FreeFrog454> phoenix_atlantis,: bye
[07:00] <FreeFrog454> Pickles2, or if you have a question, you can use man -k
[07:00] <six2one> anyone have any luck with xp on qemu 0.7.0?
[07:00] <alberto_> linux has a huge comunity, when you search for something you will find it.... most likely somone else when trough that
[07:00] <Quest-Master> ...
[07:00] <Amaranth> dang, two days of email took me 2 hours to go through
[07:00] <Quest-Master> Why is profile not in Python 2.4.1 of Ubuntu?
[07:00] <alberto_> FreeFrog454, go to your local LUG
[07:00] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: python2.4-profile?
[07:00] <gorilla_> Amaranth, that sounds like a good day :-)
[07:00] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, I've actually got a question that no one has been able to answer so far (perhaps no viable answer)
[07:00] <Amaranth> Quest-Master: It's non-free (sortof) so it's seperate.
[07:00] <alberto_> SHOOT
[07:00] <FreeFrog454> Is there any way to disable a USB sound (external) mixer
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> without deleting the device drivers for it
[07:01] <Quest-Master> It's non-free? :o
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> OR in gnome/KDE
[07:01] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: there's alot of nice console beginner guides on the net, list and explanation of some everyday commands there for example, http://www.math.mcgill.ca/services/linux_basics.php
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, what is LUG?
[07:01] <alberto_> modprobe -r whateverthedeviceis
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, stand by ACR'ing
[07:01] <goldfish> linux user group?
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> ahhh
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> heh
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> Learned somethign new :)
[07:01] <alberto_> Linux User Group
[07:01] <snatch> can anyone help me on setting up video codecs for use with ubuntu?
[07:01] <alberto_> bunch of guys get together
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> modprobe -r  <-- what does that do?
[07:01] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: removes a module
[07:01] <FreeFrog454> modeprobe -r <how do I know what the device name is?"
[07:02] <alberto_> it removes the module from the kernel
[07:02] <alberto_> lspci
[07:02] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, interesting.  That might help a lot.
[07:02] <alberto_> lsmod
[07:02] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: do u know about man pages?
[07:02] <alberto_> and find the device
[07:02] <nalioths_dog> snatch: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[07:02] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, somewhat. I've been using man & info off & on for the last couple of hours
[07:02] <FreeFrog454> lspci
[07:02] <FreeFrog454> and lsmod ey
[07:02] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: ah, ok, cool.
[07:02] <snatch> thx
[07:02] <alberto_> it should be something like snd_usb_alsa
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> Damn, I should hope back into linux and IRC from there
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> !
[07:03] <ubotu> FreeFrog454: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> ubotu, ??
[07:03] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, FreeFrog454
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> lol
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> bot?
[07:03] <FreeFrog454> er NOT lol. I hate that word, but finger habits ;(
[07:03] <goldfish> !RestricedFormats
[07:03] <ubotu> goldfish: Wish i knew
[07:03] <goldfish> !Restriced
[07:03] <ubotu> goldfish: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[07:03] <ubotu> [restricted]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:03] <Tyler> hola
[07:04] <FreeFrog454> goldfish, can you repeat some of the stuff when I get back on Linux?
[07:04] <goldfish> tiglionabbit: :)
[07:04] <blocky> can someone tell me how to rehash alsa after I have changed the configuration?
[07:04] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: sure
[07:04] <Tyler> just dled ubuntu...gotta find a blank cd though
[07:04] <nalioth_wrkn> goldfish: spelling counts (ubotu doesnt have the fuzzy logic module, yet)
[07:04] <Tyler> :\
[07:04] <goldfish> hehe
[07:04] <goldfish> sorry its 6am im tired :)
[07:04] <alberto_> ubotu, Hello
[07:04] <ubotu> niihau
[07:04] <alberto_> LOL
[07:04] <nalioth_wrkn> goldfish: guess the ubotu "i know what your were trying to type" module would be good, also
[07:05] <alberto_> ubotu, Are you smart ?
[07:05] <ubotu> alberto_: Wish i knew
[07:05] <alberto_> LOL
[07:05] <goldfish> nalioth_wrkn: hehe
[07:05] <X7C> on dhcp3-server where o I set the interface that it should be bradcasting for dhcp service?
[07:05] <alberto_> ubotu, what is mc=2 ?
[07:05] <ubotu> alberto_: what are you talking about?
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> ubotu, moshi moshi
[07:05] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:05] <Pickles2> aww... stop being mean to the bot
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> aw
[07:05] <alberto_> LOL
[07:05] <alberto_> ubotu, are you a dumb bot ?
[07:05] <ubotu> alberto_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:06] <Pickles2> anyone know of an app for mac os x that can create bootable cds?
[07:06] <alberto_> ubotu, I love you!
[07:06] <ubotu> alberto_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:06] <neodium> ubotu, internet connection sharing?
[07:06] <ubotu> from memory, internet connection sharing is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection/
[07:06] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: firestarter i believe is one
[07:06] <Tyler> using partition magic, can I install linux without burning it to a cd?
[07:06] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: fireburner, something like that
[07:07] <Pickles2> firestarter is a linux firewall
[07:07] <hanasaki> is 5.04 current or 5.10?
[07:07] <six2one> 5.04
[07:07] <hanasaki> distrowatch says 5.1
[07:07] <hanasaki> distrowatch says 5.10
[07:07] <hanasaki> umm whats that>?
[07:07] <hanasaki> <= new.. curren tly a debian user
[07:07] <six2one> come back to that in october
[07:07] <FreeFrog454> hanasaki
[07:07] <nickrud> hanasaki 5.04 means april 05, 5.10 means october 05
[07:07] <FreeFrog454> are you Japanese?
[07:08] <hanasaki> iie giajin desu
[07:08] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: welcome to the gpl
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> nihon go ga dekiru?
[07:08] <Pickles2> fireburner is for windoze, nalioth
[07:08] <kevogod> How long will Ubuntu's numbering scheme hold up?
[07:08] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: http://www.projectomega.org/subcat.php?lg=en&php=products_firestarter
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> aa.. sou ka.
[07:08] <hanasaki> sukoshi
[07:08] <Tyler> using partition magic, can I install linux without burning it to a cd?
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> boku mo gaikokujin da yo
[07:08] <Pickles2> yes
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> arumeniajin da
[07:08] <karlheg> Anybody had trouble with polypaudio and know how to fix it?  Mine doesn't play sounds anymore.
[07:08] <nalioth_wrkn> Pickles2: sorry, bubba, its for OSX
[07:08] <Pickles2> thank you very much
[07:08] <FreeFrog454> alberto_, BRB
[07:08] <hanasaki> soudeskuka.. ima, doko ni?
[07:08] <neodium> firestarter is a pain in the arse :(
[07:09] <FreeFrog454> ima san huranshisuko ni sunde iru y
[07:09] <hanasaki> 5.04 has xorg and gnome 2.10?
[07:09] <FreeFrog454> anta wa?
[07:09] <Amaranth> hanasaki: yes
[07:09] <hanasaki> ks
[07:09] <nickrud> hanasaki yes
[07:09] <FreeFrog454> kansas?
[07:09] <hanasaki> hmm ok.. know this has been ocvered before.. but.. how does one choose between deb and ubuntu?
[07:09] <hanasaki> FreeFrog454: yes
[07:10] <nickrud> hanasaki not a rational question, ubuntu uses debs
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: Ubuntu is for desktops, Debian is for servers
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> Isn't Ubuntu deb/
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> Yep
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> Ubuntu is based off Debian core
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, ah, I see.
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, what is Redhat?
[07:10] <goldfish> Ubuntu can be used for servers too.
[07:10] <hanasaki> nickrud:  so i can just point mydeb to unbunto sources?
[07:10] <goldfish> redhat is HORRIBLE!
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> errr not redhat
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> Mandrake
[07:10] <FreeFrog454> (ditto HORRIBLE) heh
[07:11] <goldfish> hmm, never used it.
[07:11] <nalioth_wrkn> redhat, mandrake, all based on RPMs
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> they both can be used for either.  Debian is more highly tested though, using old packages and such.  Ubuntu uses newer stuff to wow the desktop crowd who want flashy new stuffs
[07:11] <FreeFrog454> RPMs?
[07:11] <Amaranth> hanasaki: Mixing debian and ubuntu sources is not a good idea.
[07:11] <FreeFrog454> Never used Mandrake?
[07:11] <nickrud> hanasaki no, if you have a debian install, ubuntu will not upgrade from it.
[07:11] <goldfish> oh, well then it sucks too :)
[07:11] <FreeFrog454> Red Hat package manager
[07:11] <hanasaki> tiglionabbit:  if they all are jsut debs.. then they are all deskop and server.. just install what you need. right?
[07:11] <nalioth_wrkn> FreeFrog454: they invented a word just for RPMs
[07:11] <six2one> i used fc4 for like 3 days and it was terrible not being able to get packages to install easily because of gcc 4
[07:11] <hanasaki> nickrud:  then all debs arent the same
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: the repositories are not completely compatible
[07:11] <nickrud> heh, true
[07:11] <neodium> i like wow desktop stuff
[07:11] <goldfish> FreeFrog454: no i've only used ubuntu and slackware(briefly)  and gentoo
[07:11] <nalioth_wrkn> FreeFrog454: the word is "rpmhell"
[07:12] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: but most programs are available for both, yes
[07:12] <hanasaki> so what do you mean "for servers" vs for desktops?
[07:12] <nickrud> of course, etch may be true on that front.
[07:12] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: debian is highly tested, and will get very old between versions.  This is good if you want to make sure it'll work so you can leave it serving and it wont mess up.  Ubuntu uses newer stuff
[07:13] <nickrud> we'll see, but, I will be gratefull either way.
[07:13] <six2one> debian never goes stale
[07:13] <tiglionabbit> six2one: even with 3 years between releases?
[07:13] <hanasaki> whre can i get a list of packages for ubuntu and search it?
[07:14] <Amaranth> hanasaki: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> hanasaki: apt-cache, or search through synaptic
[07:14] <nalioth_wrkn> nickrud: "etch" being the radioactive newest stuff?
[07:14] <nickrud> hanasaki packages.ubuntu.com
[07:14] <mindstorm> relases have nothing to do wtih updates and new software releases
[07:14] <nickrud> nalioth_wrkn no, etch being the
[07:14] <hanasaki> hmm need a link ot that offt he home pgae! :)
[07:14] <nickrud> 'true source'
[07:14] <snatch> anyone use anything else to play mpgs etc other than mplayer
[07:14] <goldfish> vlc
[07:14] <kevogod> VLC
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> vlc
[07:14] <goldfish> lol
[07:15] <snatch> mplayer blows
[07:15] <hanasaki> .com? its not free?
[07:15] <hanasaki> xine rocks
[07:15] <neodium> is VLC on ubuntu :S
[07:15] <neodium> ive only used it for win32
[07:15] <goldfish> VLC rocks ubuntu
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> neodium: if it wasn't, would 3 of us say we use it?
[07:15] <goldfish> neodium: apt-get install vlc
[07:15] <goldfish> !
[07:15] <ubotu> goldfish: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:15] <kevogod> It is working here on FreeBSD, I am pretty sure it works on Linux
[07:15] <snatch> whats vlc
[07:15] <neodium> kool thnx
[07:15] <goldfish> ubotu: grrrrr
[07:15] <ubotu> goldfish: I don't know
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> a media player, snatch
[07:15] <snatch> oh ok good
[07:15] <goldfish> snatch: a really cool media player
[07:15] <Amaranth> signbarn: There is nothing in this file that turns the Programming menu on. Something in the menu needs to be visible otherwise the whole menu is hidden. Smeg shows hidden menus so you can still work with them.
[07:15] <snatch> ima try that one
[07:15] <kevogod> It is so good, Google uses it
[07:16] <snatch> if killall mplayer doesnt kill it what else should i try
[07:16] <hanasaki> what tells what the diff is beteween warty/hoary/breezy?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> snatch: it's probably gmplayer
[07:16] <signbarn> thanks. how do i make something in the menu visible?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> snatch: and you should add the "force quit" applet to your gnome panel
[07:16] <nalioth_wrkn> i can't keep up with woody, sid, sarge, etch and crew
[07:16] <neodium> breezy?
[07:16] <Amaranth> signbarn: The little checkbox next to it should be checked. :)
[07:16] <snatch> how is that done
[07:16] <neodium> isnt hoary the newest
[07:17] <kevogod> Hoary is the latest release
[07:17] <Amaranth> neodium: hoary is the newest stable release
[07:17] <FreeFrog454> Whoops
[07:17] <FreeFrog454> sorry guys. was in the background
[07:17] <neodium> i see
[07:17] <Amaranth> neodium: breezy is in development
[07:17] <signbarn> it shows netbeans and has a check next to it.
 VLC rocks ubuntu
[07:17] <FreeFrog454> VLC is on Linux too?
[07:17] <neodium> well i still cant find a program in this release to share internet between 2 eth cards yet so i dont feel like upgrading anyway :)
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> FreeFrog454: what do you think?
[07:17] <Amaranth> signbarn: Uncheck it and recheck it. (i have no idea)
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> I've used the windows version a couple of time. It was OK, but very unstable.
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, I like MPC & Zoomplayer
[07:18] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: iptables
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> er not directed at tig
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, isn't there a player called MPlayer or something
[07:18] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: here read this http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[07:18] <jasoncohen> i was reading the bug report on firefox. users complained that they couldn't download extensions with ubuntu's patched 1.0.2 and they also complained that they didn't know if they were up to date. While the fix is quite simple (editing one value in about:config), I don't really understand why Firefox is backported. a) firefox 1.0.x is a stable/security branch with only stability/security fixes, b) a change in firefox will not a
[07:18] <jasoncohen> ffect any other applications as it doesn't change core libraries. So, why backport? It creates issues like this one, and it's actually easier to use the newest stable release. In essence mozilla has already backported security fixes for us.
[07:18] <FreeFrog454> Supposed to be really good.
[07:18] <neodium> thanx im a linux nub straight from winxp so networking confuses me without a GUI :(
[07:19] <Amaranth> signbarn: Something is wrong with pyxdg's parsing of the netbeans .desktop file or something is wrong with the menu
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> FreeFrog454: yes, there is a thing called mplayer.  It's a media player.  Like vlc.
[07:19] <jasoncohen> firefox 1.1 is where the development is occuring
[07:19] <kevogod> Firefox 1.1 looks promising
[07:19] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The firefox devs can't help themselves, they add new little things that aren't security/bug fixes to the 1.0.x branch.
[07:19] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: your iptables controls your sharing/firewall/all network packet routing
[07:19] <signbarn> Amaranth: could there be permission problems with the netbeans .desktop file?
[07:19] <Amaranth> btw, breezy won't have firefox 1.1
[07:19] <FreeFrog454> tiglionabbit, what's your browser of choice
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> firefox
[07:19] <FreeFrog454> I use Opera 8.01 final on Windows and it's godlike
[07:19] <Amaranth> signbarn: If it's readable it should be fine.
[07:19] <FreeFrog454> What do you think about Konqueror (sp?)
[07:20] <frequency> twb_: where in Tampa are you?
[07:20] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, is that really so bad? i think the inability to use extensions without editing a value in about:config is worse than any minor bug that would be introduced in 1.0.x
[07:20] <neodium> thanx nalioth_wrkn ill read up
[07:20] <Madpilot> FreeFrog454: you know Opera is avlb for Ubuntu too? Using it right now...
[07:20] <FreeFrog454> Yep
[07:20] <FreeFrog454> Madpilot, of course!
[07:20] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: hoary is absolutely stable
[07:20] <twb_> actually, i'm just north of Tampa, Spring Hill
[07:20] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: stable meanind no new features
[07:20] <FreeFrog454> Madpilot, it's a little more a bitch to config in opera though ;)
[07:20] <Amaranth> err, meaning
[07:20] <neodium> and yer opera is orsome, is there an apt-get install for opera?
[07:20] <frequency> cool, i used to live in Riverview
[07:20] <goldfish> opera is way better than firefox on linux especially
[07:20] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i know- what i'm wondering is if that's wise\
[07:20] <signbarn> Amaranth: I blame netbeans for all my problems. :-)
[07:20] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: did you know opera is non-free and sending info about you home right now?
[07:21] <tiglionabbit> I think they should just change the value in ubuntu's repository version of firefox, so people can install their themes without messing with that
[07:21] <Amaranth> neodium: No, but i think opera provides debs
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> Madpilot, partly because of the location of the files
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> Opera is very nice indeed.
[07:21] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it makes absolute sense for sarge - that's supposed to be a long term, rock solid server distro but is it really necessary/wise for a desktop distro?
 y'all use galeon or kazehakase instead of firefox
[07:21] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: is it? got a cite for that?
[07:21] <neodium> kool, now ill have to read up on howto install debs :)
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> I still keep Firefox on my windows/Ubuntu b0x for compatibility
[07:21] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: iirc they have their own little addition to the user agent that can be checked
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> OT: I got the brand new Canon LiDE 500F *LED* scanner
[07:21] <nalioth_wrkn> stay away from those commercial products
[07:21] <FreeFrog454> God damn it's blistering fast compared to my older canon scanner
[07:21] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: about the sending info home, that is. I know it's "non-free as in speech", and don't care...
[07:21] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: do you see an ad in your opera all the time?
[07:22] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: ubuntu is used as a server and as a corporate desktop distro
[07:22] <chibif1> Opera isn't all that commercial. :P
[07:22] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it makes sense to backport most security fixes, but desktop apps like gaim, firefox, thunderbird etc. are unlikely to break other apps and the fixes/changes are usually quite conservative
[07:22] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Not just enduser desktops.
[07:22] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it's used as a server?
[07:22] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: yup, but it's set to "generic text ads", so my Opera isn't sending anything anywhere...
[07:22] <twb_> will dd duplicate and entire parition, even one with XP on it?
[07:22] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Yeah, that's why it has the 'server' boot option in the installer.
[07:22] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: how does it know what ads to display?
[07:22] <chibif1> I use ubuntu as a server/desktop, jasoncohen D:
[07:22] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The developers are not budging on this issue.
[07:22] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, who wants a server with a 6 month release cycle?
[07:23] <jasoncohen> chibif1, i use sarge as my server
[07:23] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: It has 18 months of support.
[07:23] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: "Random generic selection of text ads"...
[07:23] <Madpilot> currently it mostly shows Opera tips. guess even Opera can't sell adspace...
[07:23] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, yes- but honestly support isn't very good after 6 months when a new stable release comes out
[07:23] <chibif1> I've only got one machine to work with, the only other is a 486 not capable of handling more than a single connection.
[07:23] <nalioth_wrkn> there are many f/oss alternatives to firefox
[07:23] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Community support isn't, but if you have a server you know how to do things yourself or are willing to pay for support.
[07:24] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, for example, the firefox 1.0.4 fixes have not been patched in warty
[07:24] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Plus support in this case also means security fixes.
[07:24] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: but none of them have the features of Opera, even with millions of FF plugins...
[07:24] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The 1.0.4 fixes were regressions in 1.0.3
[07:24] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: to each their own, i prefer my kludgy featureless galeon
[07:25] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The firefox in warty (0.9.3?) shouldn't be vulnerable.
[07:25] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: fair enough, but FF & it's derivitives feel *too* kludgy to me. Far to much like IE, honestly...
[07:26] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, sorry- i'm thinking of 1.0.3 - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-124-1
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> kludgy?
[07:26] <neodium> Does vlc come with all the neccessary codecs in ubuntu, as i cant seem to play sound on any videos?
[07:26] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: i use linux because nothing is forced on me (and i hate adware)
[07:26] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: File a bug report? :)
[07:26] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: there are other sound issues involved
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> neodium: last time someone said that, they told me installing some codecs fixed it.  If I were you, I'd read restricted
[07:26] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: oversized buttons, far too little customizability. not enough keyboard shortcuts.
[07:26] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: I'm not an ubuntu developer, I don't have any say in the matter.
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> !ubotu tell neodium about restricted
[07:26] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, wait- i was correct the first time
[07:27] <Tyler> Would I be able to install ubuntu with a cd-rw?!?
[07:27] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:27] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, from the 1.0.4 patch - Note: These flaws also apply to Ubuntu 5.04's Mozilla, and to the
[07:27] <jasoncohen> Ubuntu 4.10 versions of Firefox and Mozilla. These will be fixed soon.
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: there are many themes you can download for all of those
[07:27] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-134-1
[07:27] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: yes
[07:27] <FreeFrog454> Madpilot, I agree
[07:27] <Tyler> okie
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: also, the buttons have a "small buttons" seting
[07:27] <Tyler> 650 mb fine?
[07:27] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: But I guarantee they won't do more than backport security fixes, no matter what you say.
[07:27] <FreeFrog454> I've tried Firefox a thousand times
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: visit addons.mozilla.org
[07:27] <FreeFrog454> but I always come back to Opera
[07:27] <iluciv> hi hows it
[07:27] <goldfish> Tyler: of course
[07:27] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: yup, and hordes of FF plugins. Or I can just d/l Opera...
[07:27] <Tyler> alright thanks
[07:27] <Tyler> :)
[07:27] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: File a bug report so someone gets reminded.
[07:27] <goldfish> Tyler: cd-rw holds 700mb
[07:27] <FreeFrog454> Most firefox users agree with me for my reads about not using FF
[07:27] <Tyler> no
[07:27] <Tyler> my cdrw=6550
[07:27] <Tyler> 650
[07:28] <Tyler> * :P
[07:28] <goldfish> i see
[07:28] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, personally, i think it makes more sense to just use the current stable firefox version as the security fixes will get uploaded sooner- sid has them within a day
[07:28] <goldfish> :)
[07:28] <Tyler> lol
[07:28] <Tyler> im like so hyped
[07:28] <neodium> thnx
[07:28] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: well, it's power and customizability.  You don't need to get things you don't want...
[07:28] <Tyler> i cannot wait to get it installed
[07:28] <goldfish> cool
[07:28] <Tyler> lol
[07:28] <FreeFrog454> I want most of the features of Opera.  I guess I'm a poweruser, and I can't be bothered to relearn all Opera's trick in FF...
[07:29] <frequency> iluciv: sudo killall gdm
[07:29] <Tyler> btw...I downloaded the supposedly iso file and it came in a rar type file...What do i do?
[07:29] <Tyler> extract? and if so then what
[07:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i guess that's why there's backports
[07:29] <iluciv> frequency: cool thanks
[07:29] <frequency> no prob
[07:29] <kevogod> It takes like 40 extensions to make Firefox mimic Opera.
[07:29] <signbarn> FreeFrog454: is "here" in the united states?
[07:29] <bur[n] e1> opera have adblock?
[07:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i just wish backports was an official project with the same high quality standards. in that case, users would have a choice.
[07:29] <goldfish> Tyler: you sure it's a rar?
[07:29] <goldfish> bur[n] e1: yep.
[07:29] <Tyler> well
[07:29] <Tyler> it was a .iso
[07:29] <Tyler> but
[07:29] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: For things like firefox 1.0.4 the ubuntu backports project really didn't need to do anything.
[07:30] <bur[n] e1> what?  since when?
[07:30] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: it should extract to iso
[07:30] <Tyler> had a rar icon
[07:30] <Tyler> hmm
[07:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: It will be soon.
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: what features do you use?  I'm curious
[07:30] <bur[n] e1> that's the reason I'm still on firefox
[07:30] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, really?
[07:30] <Tyler> i extracted it into a folder
[07:30] <goldfish> Tyler: yeah, thats because its default to open with winrar.
[07:30] <Tyler> and a bunch of files came up
[07:30] <goldfish> Tyler: have u got nero ?
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: I like the slideshow feature, but that's all I can think of..
[07:30] <Madpilot> bur[n] e1: not yet. that's the only thing I envy FF users for...
[07:30] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i mean backports doesn't provide changelogs or source which is pretty silly
[07:30] <Tyler> yes
[07:30] <goldfish> Tyler: dont extract :)
[07:30] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: then again...are you on windows right now?
[07:30] <Tyler> ;p
[07:30] <Tyler> ;o
[07:30] <Tyler> yes i am
[07:30] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: They have new rules though, they can only do real 'backports', that is take something from the development version and build it for the stable version. But they'll be able to use ubuntu buildds and maybe even the mirrors and such.
[07:30] <goldfish> Tyler: in nero look for "Burn image to disk" , and select the .iso
[07:30] <Tyler> ok
[07:30] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: IRC & RSS included; some nice user-side CSS that I use for web dev stuff.
[07:30] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: delete the folder, and burn the "rar-icon" iso file
[07:31] <bur[n] e1> nero?
[07:31] <Tyler> alright
[07:31] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, as i don't know if backport's firefox has the non-mozilla security fix for the frame vulenerability fixed in 1.0.4-3 in sid
[07:31] <Tyler> nero-cd burning program
[07:31] <Tyler> and img burning prog
[07:31] <bur[n] e1> windows... wtf?
[07:31] <Tyler> rofl
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: I believe RSS and user-side CSS is included.  And there's Greasemonkey to do user-side javascript as well
[07:31] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, will the rest be in backport-extras?
[07:31] <Tyler> im installing nix bur[n] e1
[07:31] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Err, wasn't that a regression that wasn't in 1.0.2?
[07:31] <bur[n] e1> Tyler: awwwwwwww
[07:31] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: lots and lots of keyboard shortcuts. very configurable toolbars. neat wallpaper, even... :)
[07:31] <bur[n] e1> good luck
[07:31] <Tyler> :)
[07:31] <Tyler> ty
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: Firefox themes man
[07:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i don't think it was- i think it affects all releases but i'm not sure
[07:32] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: tiglionabbit yes, great, and we all have choices now
[07:32] <Tyler> Hey goldfish, I use nero express?
[07:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Yes, but -extras won't have access to official distro resources (it'll run like it does now)
[07:32] <frequency> anyone have any ideas on installing Wine on an Athlon 64?
[07:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: No, I know it's always a regression when it shows up. They fix it then regress, fix it then regress, etc.
[07:32] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: firefox being opensource, if you ask someone (or do it yourself) an extension can be written to do whatever you want
[07:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i was kind of shocked when i found gaim-themes in backports-- it's hard to backport a new version when the old version doesn't exist in hoary :)
[07:32] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: sorry, browser choice is one of those OT holy war things, isn't it? I'm just too used to Opera to want to switch...
[07:32] <frequency> gcc is telling me that libgcc isn't 32-bit compatible
[07:33] <nalioth_wrkn> frequency: you'll need to use apt to install from source
[07:33] <Madpilot> nalioth_wrkn: but Opera doesn't *need* millions of plugins to work. it just does...
[07:33] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Exactly, they aren't going to be able to do things like that once they become official.
[07:33] <frequency> nalioth_wrkn: excellent
[07:33] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, so basically, all the real backports from backports will become official and the rest will move to backports-extras - where they should have been from the start?
[07:33] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:33] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Exactly.
[07:33] <jasoncohen> that's good news
[07:33] <nalioth_wrkn> Madpilot: yes, thats good. i prefer my kludgy ol' galeon (and kazehakase)
[07:33] <jasoncohen> i thought the maintainer was on crack when i started finding packages in backports that weren't in hoary
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: isn't this what the mozilla suite is for?
[07:34] <jasoncohen> you shoudl be able to just use backport-extras for packages not in hoary
[07:34] <kevogod> Firefox 1.1 looks promising
[07:34] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Well, some things are in the development version but not in the stable version (like smeg).
[07:34] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, is that technically a backport?
[07:34] <kevogod> I'm looking forward to the Instant Forward/Back
[07:34] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Err, yes?
[07:34] <jasoncohen> wait- nevermind- sorry
[07:34] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: never used moz suites much, what do you mean?
[07:35] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: It's porting something from the dev version to the stable version. :)
[07:35] <goldfish> internet explorer 7 looks promising.
[07:35] <kevogod> lol
[07:35] <Tyler> rofl
[07:35] <Tyler> who uses ie anymore
[07:35] <kevogod> No, it does not.
[07:35] <Amaranth> wake up!
[07:35] <goldfish> I can't wait to use it in wine!
[07:35] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, sorry, that was stupid of me, heh
[07:35] <kevogod> That would be illegal.
[07:35] <Madpilot> goldfish: Dog, I hope you're kidding...
[07:35] <Tyler> firefox > ie
[07:35] <goldfish> Madpilot: Of course :)
[07:35] <goldfish> Although alot of ppl mention running it in wine, i might try it out.
[07:36] <TokenBad> how come when I use sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla and restart mozilla it still isn't showing flash files?
[07:36] <Madpilot> one thing I would like is a CSS hack that "emulates" IE6 in all it's buggy glory.
[07:36] <Tyler> btw when I restart, does it automatically boot from the disc??
[07:36] <goldfish> should do
[07:36] <Madpilot> for web page testing in non-Win systems like mine...
[07:36] <Tyler> ok
[07:36] <Tyler> and
[07:36] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, once backports becomes official, there will no longer be any danger to using backports & upgrading to the next release, right?
[07:36] <Tyler> i partitioned about 14gb...will it boot into that when i want to install?
[07:37] <Tyler> or do i select it later on
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: the way I installed flash player was, I went to newgrounds.com, clicked on the puzzle piece icon it showed where flash should be, and used the built-in flash installer
[07:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: There isn't now and really wasn't before either.
[07:37] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: you may have to select in bios where to boot from
[07:37] <Tyler> okay
[07:37] <goldfish> Tyler: just follow the install cd, it explains it all.
[07:37] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: you'll be fine
[07:37] <Tyler> lol
[07:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Upgrading from warty to hoary if something in backports didn't upgrade it was the exact same as the hoary version.
[07:37] <Tyler> im nervous
[07:37] <goldfish> :)
[07:37] <TokenBad> mine won't do that
[07:37] <TokenBad> it says can't find plugin
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> =\
[07:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, the current maintainer doesn't seem very careful to me. for example, he managed to package a 1.0.4 version of firefox that didn't have the vendorSub set to 1.0.4
[07:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: The hoary backports all have ~ubp5.04 or whatever in their version so they always get replaced with the breezy version.
[07:38] <Tyler> I'll have to burn firefox,gaim,xchat, and notepad ++ to a disc and install it on nix
[07:38] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Blame breezy.
[07:38] <goldfish> Tyler: emmmmmmmmm
[07:38] <goldfish> Tyler: you joking?
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: all ubuntu versions have that vendorsub...
[07:38] <Tyler> why
[07:38] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: ?
[07:38] <Tyler> ?
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: sorry, I meant hoary does
[07:38] <Madpilot> Tyler: FF, xchat & much else installs in Ubuntu by default...
[07:38] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, so, the ubuntu maintainer of breezy was at fault?
[07:38] <goldfish> Tyler: just install them from the ubuntu repositories.
[07:38] <Tyler> sry im a nubsauce
[07:38] <jasoncohen> that problem was not in sid
[07:38] <Tyler> :(
[07:38] <goldfish> Tyler: ah
[07:38] <nalioth_wrkn> Tyler: ubuntu has those things (except for notepad++)
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: I didn't say that.  Amaranth did
[07:38] <goldfish> dont worry :)
[07:38] <Tyler> well with nix
[07:39] <Tyler> alright
[07:39] <kevogod> Don't ever say nix
[07:39] <kevogod> k thx
[07:39] <Tyler> jesus
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, how did that happen? doesn't breezy sync with sid?
[07:39] <TokenBad> anyone else have any idea on why it will not work?
[07:39] <Tyler> kevogod, never correct me...kthx
[07:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Does sid even have 1.0.4?
[07:39] <Tyler> :)
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, um- of course
[07:39] <kevogod> Tyler: k thx
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, sid had 1.0.4 the day after its release
[07:39] <neodium> ubotu, internet connection sharing with ubunto and windows XP
[07:39] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, neodium
[07:39] <neodium> dammit ><
[07:39] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: *shrug*, see if MOM has a bug filed on it
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it now has 1.0.4-3 with a security fix 1.0.4 doesn't even have
[07:40] <Amaranth> neodium: Learn to spell 'ubuntu'. :D
[07:40] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: no idea man, I thought it should.  Someone told me it would have worked if you did that before upgrading firefox...   =[
[07:40] <goldfish> TokenBad: Did you restart firefox?
[07:40] <goldfish> TokenBad: after installing...
[07:40] <neodium> my bad
[07:40] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: those links didnt help you?
[07:40] <TokenBad> yes
[07:40] <goldfish> hmmm.
[07:40] <Amaranth> kevogod, Tyler: Don't say 'kthx', thanks. :)
[07:40] <neodium> not with networking between xp and ubuntu
[07:40] <Tyler> lol
[07:40] <kevogod> Amaranth: k thx
[07:40] <nalioth_wrkn> neodium: ask uncle google "internet sharing iptables"
[07:41] <Tyler> Amaranth, nothx
[07:41] <Tyler> ;)
[07:41] <neodium> lol yeah, ill give it a go
[07:41] <twb_> i'd really like to know how to download music on here
[07:41] <tiglionabbit> twb_: http?
[07:41] <nalioth_wrkn> twb_: same way you d/l on any other OS
[07:41] <Amaranth> kevogod, Tyler: Don't say 'kthx', thanks. :)
[07:41] <twb_> whats http
[07:41] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, any reason reportbug hasn't been altered to work with ubuntu's bugzilla?
[07:41] <kevogod> ok, I won't
[07:41] <goldfish> Amaranth: haha
[07:41] <kevogod> :-)
[07:41] <Tyler> okie
[07:41] <jasoncohen> i always used to use reportbug & querybts in sid
[07:41] <twb_> and i can't get limewire to run on here
[07:42] <kevogod> You need Java
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> twb_: hypertext transfer protocol.  What I meant was, "use the internet?"
[07:42] <nalioth_wrkn> twb_: use gtk-gnutella
[07:42] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Because bugzilla sucks? :)
[07:42] <jasoncohen> so why does ubuntu use it?
[07:42] <goldfish> twb_: there is howto on installing limewire on ubuntuforums.org
[07:42] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: I have no clue, these are questions you should ask #ubuntu-devel
[07:42] <jasoncohen> ok
[07:42] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: bugzilla is easier to use
[07:42] <pallav> mounting is still a problem for me...
[07:42] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: compared to debian bts
[07:42] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it is?
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> pallav: hows that?
[07:42] <twb_> i didnt like gtk-gnutella, it was extremely slow
[07:42] <pallav> what i want to mount is a extended logical ntfs partition
[07:43] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: For regular users.
[07:43] <tiglionabbit> twb_: it's not so bad.  Make sure you have stuff shared
[07:43] <tiglionabbit> twb_: and make sure it has the happy face, not a 'firewalled' icon
[07:43] <jasoncohen> debian bts is more intelligent- reportbug automatically includes pertinent info about the version of the package you have installed, debconf settings & dependencies etc.
[07:43] <nickrud> twb_ you should look at mldonkey, it's really low overhead
[07:43] <tiglionabbit> pallav: what is the device name?
[07:43] <jasoncohen> and it's easier to search
[07:43] <kevogod> mlDonkey is a mess
[07:43] <pallav> device name??
[07:43] <pallav> what do u mean?
[07:44] <tiglionabbit> pallav: say "sudo fdisk -l" to see a list of your devices.  It will be called /dev/hd??
[07:44] <nickrud> kevogod really? seriously, I've been using it, but I know it's not prime.
[07:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: But a normal user will have no fscking clue how to use it.
[07:44] <kevogod> nickrud: Its implemenation of its networks are half-assed
[07:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: But they can use a simple form on a website.
[07:45] <nalioths_dog> pallav: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[07:45] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i thought it was pretty straightforward. i guess it was easy to me.
[07:45] <Tyler> one more question...ubuntu come with grub?
[07:45] <goldfish> Tyler: yep
[07:45] <Tyler> okay
[07:45] <goldfish> Tyler: the install cd does it all nice for you
[07:45] <kevogod> nickrud: That is not to say it can't give good results, but it is generally more harmful to the networks than other clients are.
[07:45] <Tyler> lol
[07:45] <Tyler> woot
[07:46] <neodium> /etc/sysctl.conf, does anyone know how i get into this file, its giving me an acces denied error
[07:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, any timeframe on when backports will become official or is it just a possibility at this point?
[07:47] <jasoncohen> i don't see any mention of it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[07:47] <beginnerMKII> Jeez dual booting looks complicated, i think i should leave it :-/
[07:47] <goldfish> neodium: sudo
[07:47] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: it's easy as pie
[07:47] <beginnerMKII> I am looking on that wiki thing, it doesn't look it, lol.
[07:48] <beginnerMKII> Perhaps i should leave it >_>
[07:48] <neodium> goldfish, im using a root terminal
[07:48] <kevogod> Dual booting is easy with a Windows partition
[07:48] <goldfish> neodium: errr, hmm.
[07:48] <goldfish> neodium: thats not good :)
[07:48] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: its really simple
[07:48] <neodium> goldfish, no its not :(
[07:48] <neodium> goldfish, i need to open the file to change ip forwding to 1 :(
[07:48] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, thanks for all the info btw
[07:49] <goldfish> neodium: oh
[07:49] <Tyler> well, the burn is 97% done...gonna go install it in a sec...hopefully all goes well and i should be talking to you guys again by 4 est if that
[07:49] <goldfish> neodium: can u cat the file?
[07:50] <beginnerMKII> I have two harddrives, the second one has nothing on it do i still have to sort out partitions and stuff on the other one, or can i just wait till i get to the partition bit on the ubuntu install screen and that'll all do it for me ?
[07:50] <neodium> goldfish, umm im linux noob, meow ?
[07:50] <goldfish> neodium: i thought you did "echo 1 >> /pathtofile" to change ip forwarding ?
[07:50] <Tyler> talk to yall later
[07:50] <goldfish> Tyler: good luck.
[07:50] <Tyler> thanks
[07:50] <Tyler> by
[07:50] <Tyler> e
[07:50] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: if you have an empty drive, its even easier to set up dual boot
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> beginnerMKII: you can do all of your partitioning in the ubuntu installer
[07:50] <FlannelKing> beginnerMKII, you can tell it to not touch one HD
[07:51] <beginnerMKII> heh cool, thats a little reassurance
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> beginnerMKII: it has some partition editing software in it
[07:51] <nalioth_wrkn> tiglionabbit: he shouldnt have to partition anything with an mt drive
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> true
[07:51] <beginnerMKII> I am just paranoid of messing up windows
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> but he will still have to tell it to create/format the partition on the new hd
[07:52] <FlannelKing> and have to make sure he picks the right one to partition
[07:52] <neodium> im running dual boot atm, no problems as long as u dont format the wrong hdd :)
[07:52] <nalioth_wrkn> beginnerMKII: are both your drives the same size?
[07:52] <beginnerMKII> Yeah
[07:53] <beginnerMKII> Will it see both harddrives, i mean? it wont think harddrive2 is actually the harddrive with windows on it will it?
[07:53] <beginnerMKII> [ lol ]
[07:53] <neodium> beginnerMKII, no u will have to mount the hard drive in ubuntu to see it
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> beginnerMKII: the partitioner will be able to tell what is on either hard drive, and show you
[07:54] <beginnerMKII> cool thanks tiglionabbit
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> beginnerMKII: ubuntu is smart.  It will even set up a menu for grub that will let you boot either OS at startup
[07:55] <FlannelKing> beginnerMKII, it will label them HDA and HDB (harddrive A, and harddrive B) and then it will ask you a couple of times too, and youll be able to see everything, before mking any changes
[07:55] <beginnerMKII> Cool, thanks guys !
[07:56] <zack_> hi guys. i want to format a  hard drive as NTFS. how do i do that?
[07:56] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: why?
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> zack_: uh...  I don't think linux can do that.  Why do you want ntfs?
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> linux cannot write to ntfs
[07:56] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: because I'll be using it with windows, not linux.
[07:56] <zack_> it's going to be my storage drive
[07:56] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: use fat32
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> zack_: it may be better to use fat32.
[07:56] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: why fat32
[07:57] <jasmuz> tiglionabbit: what do you think about captive NTFS
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> zack_: because both windows and linux can use fat32
[07:57] <zack_> tiglionabbit: probably a good idea
[07:57] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: because then linux can read / write to it, if necessary
[07:57] <sri> can someone help me?
[07:57] <zack_> so how would i format it as fat32?
[07:57] <synthetic_> hello, i just installed ubuntu onto my ibm thinkpad notebook...this is my first time using linux and i need some help
[07:57] <zack_> it's a big drive, 250gb
[07:57] <sri> I'm stuck in a dist-upgrade to breezy :/
[07:57] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> jasmuz: would you compile a windows library into your linux kernel?
[07:57] <zack_> that i have as an external
[07:57] <beginnerMKII> This is probably the dumbest & obvious question you have guys have come across, but if i see nothing on it in windows explorer, it is empty, right?
[07:57] <zack_> what command would i use to format it?
[07:57] <goldfish> sri: have u read the topic? :)
[07:57] <sri> basically where I'm at ist hat it's trying to upgrade xlibs-data and there are conflicts.
[07:57] <zack_> windows can't format a drive > 137gb
[07:57] <nickrud_> synthetic_ you've found the right place
[07:58] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> sri: you've have disregarded the /topic
[07:58] <sri> goldfish: yeah, I have.
[07:58] <jasmuz> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: no
[07:58] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: partition it into 2 parts
[07:58] <sri> unfortunately, evolution is broken on hoary for me.
[07:58] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: why
[07:58] <FlannelKing> beginnerMKII, doesnt have to be empty, but if you dont have anything YOU want on it, then its not important
[07:58] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: how
[07:58] <synthetic_> thanks :) i'm trying to do two things to start:  first, make my wireless NIC work, and secondly, get sound working
[07:58] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: use qtparted
[07:58] <beginnerMKII> Cool, thanks FlannelKing
[07:58] <zack_> why two partitions
[07:58] <synthetic_> i've gotten pretty far on the wireless NIC job, i have my driver downloaded
[07:59] <sri> the annoying thing about ubuntu is that once breeezy got startd, you never got any of the new stable versions of software on hoary anymore.
[07:59] <synthetic_> i am just unsure on how to install it
[07:59] <sri> unless it was security updates or something
[07:59] <beginnerMKII> Right here we go then
[07:59] <sri> anyways, does anybody still want to ry to help me ? :-)
[07:59] <synthetic_> from what i hear, i need to get a kernal-source, i guess?
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.
[07:59] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: because 250/2=125 (formatable by windoze)
[07:59] <FlannelKing> beginnerMKII, the only stuff on it might be leftover windows bookkeeping stuff, but only for that drive.
[07:59] <beginnerMKII> If you guys never see beginnerMKII in this channel again
[07:59] <beginnerMKII> You'll know why
[07:59] <nickrud_> synthetic_ well, I cannot help with wireless, although someone here can, if you mention your exact hardware.
[07:59] <sri> beginnerMKII: why?
[07:59] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: why can't i just format it as a 250gb drive in linux?
[07:59] <beginnerMKII> lol
[08:00] <zack_> windows will recognize it once formatted.
[08:00] <zack_> i think.
[08:00] <synthetic_> it's a Gigafast wf721-Aex wireless pCMCIA NIC
[08:00] <robitaille> sri: it's a known bug with xlibs-data: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12108
[08:00] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: what is the ultimate purpose for your 250gb drive?
[08:00] <sri> so I'm guessing i"m "on my own" here.
[08:00] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: to store my music, movies, porn
[08:00] <synthetic_> zack_:  honesty is the best policy!  i applaud you
[08:01] <beginnerMKII> Just one last question, if Ubuntu is successfully installed on harddrive B, the pc still boots into XP on startup , right?
[08:01] <zack_> synthetic_: shrug
[08:01] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: you can set it up in linux, or split it with qtparted into 2 and let windows do it
[08:01] <FlannelKing> sri, thats how ubuntu distributions work
[08:01] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: however you do it, i recommend fat32
[08:01] <zack_> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: i want to set it up in linux. how?
[08:01] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> beginnerMKII: you'll have a choice
[08:01] <sri> FlannelKing: it's not quite optimal since software that doesn't work (like evo for me) i can't use.
[08:01] <synthetic_> I have the driver downloaded - I checked around and found it.  I just don't know how to install a driver.
[08:01] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> how does one format a HD in fat32 in linux?
[08:02] <FlannelKing> no, its not optimal for everyone, but it keeps broken things out of the majority of peoples hands.  You could always roll your own deb out of the new versions
[08:02] <beginnerMKII> It will give me that choice on startup? I'm putting faith in the fact here that because i have a second empty harddrive i can be total beginner and not have to know about partitioning etc.
[08:02] <zack_> yes, how does one format a HD in fat 32 in linux.
[08:02] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: i dont know how, i run apple hardware
[08:02] <goldfish> zack_: fdisk
[08:02] <nickrud_> synthetic_ well, if no one answers up right away, try again later.
[08:02] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> goldfish: to format?
[08:03] <zack_> goldfish: what's the command specifically? i don't want to fuck anything up
[08:03] <goldfish> oh format
[08:03] <goldfish> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: woops
[08:03] <robitaille> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ:  zack_   qtparted must be able to do it.  (from the Knoppix live CD)
[08:03] <FlannelKing> any formatting software from linux, is able to format as fat32
[08:03] <FlannelKing> well, not 'any' but most
[08:03] <zack_> how do you use qtparted
[08:03] <beginnerMKII> Right thats it guys, its do or die
[08:03] <beginnerMKII> Peace
[08:03] <synthetic_> The doc says i need to "configure my kernel build options in the kernel source directory"
[08:04] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> somebody let zack know how to do it (i'm learning too)
[08:04] <zack_> it comes on the ubuntu livecd?
[08:04] <FlannelKing> probably
[08:04] <FlannelKing> I dont know
[08:04] <sri> f
[08:04] <synthetic_> From what my friend has taught me, i need to download a kernel-source.  where can I get one?
[08:04] <robitaille> zack_:  not sure if it's on the Ubuntu live CD...old habits never die;  I usually use Knoppix to play with my partitions :)
[08:04] <Pickles2> ok nalioth
[08:05] <zack_> robitaille: i have a knoppix cd too. how can i use it to format my hard drive?
[08:05] <Pickles2> i'm going to try my newly burned cd
[08:05] <Pickles2> hope it works
[08:05] <goldfish> synthetic_: what card is it?
[08:05] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> robitaille: can ya talk zack thru knoppixising his HD?
[08:05] <robitaille> zack_:  boot with it.  Then select qtparted from one of the application menu in Knoppix.
[08:05] <tiglionabbit> zack_: why not use gparted or qtparted?  What do you need help with?
[08:05] <zack_> i don't know how to use qtparted
[08:05] <synthetic_> goldfish:  it's a gigafast wf721-aex, which I guess uses the atmel wlan driver
[08:06] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> tiglionabbit: is qt or g parted on the ubuntu livecd?
[08:06] <zack_> is it easy to use?
[08:06] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: just like partition magic
[08:06] <tiglionabbit> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: I don't think so...
[08:06] <zack_> specifically, will it recognize my external hard drive?
[08:06] <robitaille> zack_:  qtparted is  pretty straight forward ...it's all graphical similar to parition magic
[08:06] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> tiglionabbit: i'm asleep, cut me some slack
[08:06] <robitaille> zack_:  not sure about the externalHD (never owned one...)
[08:07] <zack_> it's just an external enclosure
[08:07] <zack_> for a regular eide drive
[08:07] <FlannelKing> Yes, it probably will
[08:07] <zack_> anyway, i'll go boot up the computer now
[08:07] <cafuego> zack_: it is a usb2 or firewire enclosure?
[08:07] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> zack_: usb or firewire connection?
[08:07] <tiglionabbit> zack_: in qtparted, click on the volume you want, and select what you want to do to it.  That volume must be unmounted
[08:07] <FlannelKing> If your HD is seen by the OS, then the partitioner will
[08:08] <sri> thanks for the link to the bug, I was able to get past the problem with teh workaround
[08:08] <znh> hmz.. how to create a new workspace?
[08:08] <tiglionabbit> znh: what's a workspace?
[08:08] <znh> you know.. virtual screens
[08:09] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> znh: right click on your 4 boxes at the bottom and click on 'configure' or whatever
[08:09] <FlannelKing> You want five instead of four?
[08:09] <znh> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: I'm using icewm, not gnome
[08:09] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> znh: ah
[08:09] <zack_> cafuego: nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: it's a usb2
[08:09] <cafuego> zack_: That will be fine, then. it will show up as scsi drive.
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> znh: right-click on your pager.  Does it let you make more of em?
[08:10] <cafuego> arrrgh
[08:10] <cafuego> hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }