[00:03] <BarkingFish> back in a tick, apper's not working now. Keeps telling me i failed to provide authentication, without it actually asking me for any :)
[00:39] <szal> new libmsn0.3 is in updates, that should fix problems w/ Kopete and MSN
[00:43] <djzn> which is a good VGA card to run KDE
[00:43] <djzn> HD5450 or GT9500
[00:58] <djzn> how do I install restricted drivers in kubuntu
[00:59] <BarkingFish> !restricted
[00:59] <BarkingFish> oh shoot.
[00:59] <BarkingFish> wrong one :P
[00:59] <djzn> no
[00:59] <BarkingFish> djzn: what driver do you need?
[01:00] <djzn> fglrx
[01:00] <djzn> I actually got a pop up message when I updated and rebooted
[01:00] <BarkingFish> and what version of kubuntu are you on please?
[01:00] <djzn> latest
[01:00] <djzn> and update
[01:00] <BarkingFish> ok
[01:00] <djzn> updated
[01:00] <BarkingFish> !info fglrx oneiric
[01:01] <djzn> ok
[01:01] <BarkingFish> right, i think you need to add the restricted repository to your sources
[01:01] <BarkingFish> one sec
[01:01] <djzn> i already did
[01:01] <BarkingFish> ok, well it should be in there.
[01:01] <djzn> yes
[01:01] <djzn> i see trhogh apper
[01:01] <djzn> fglrx
[01:01] <BarkingFish> if it's not, try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:01] <BarkingFish> that should go get it too
[01:02] <djzn> i see it
[01:02] <BarkingFish> ok, no prob
[01:02] <djzn> the restricted driver manager
[01:02] <djzn> that i was curios
[01:02] <djzn> in ubuntu
[01:02] <djzn> it pops up all the time
[01:02] <djzn> but not here
[01:02] <BarkingFish> try not to use enter too much, djzn - our floodbot is kinda fussy :)
[01:02] <djzn> ok
[01:03] <djzn> the issue is, through WHERE do I pull the restricted driver manager.... is this removed ?
[01:05] <BarkingFish> it shouldn't be
[01:06] <djzn> well i will install through apper
[01:06] <djzn> i really could not find 'restricted driver manager' as in ubuntu system configuration
[01:06] <BarkingFish> that should do it for you, djzn
[01:06] <djzn> will i lose plymouth?
[01:07] <BarkingFish> i know we used to have a menu entry for "Additional Drivers", but I can't see it here.
[01:07] <BarkingFish> djzn: I don't know I'm afraid.
[01:07] <djzn> would you recommend nvidia
[01:07] <djzn> or amd card
[01:07] <djzn> i am thinking about getting a offboard card
[01:08] <BarkingFish> djzn: as someone who has never used either of those brands, i can't comment :)
[01:08] <djzn> currently using Radeon HD 3200 (IGP)
[01:08] <BarkingFish> Personally, I run an ATI Radeon SE 9800 here
[01:08] <djzn> old one
[01:08] <BarkingFish> yeah, machine's not too hot, and it's a frankenstein
[01:09] <djzn> and I thought mine was
[01:09] <BarkingFish> It started life as a prebuilt machine from HP, but I decided to modify it to the point where I got it to do what I wanted it to do, quicker than it was doing it :)
[01:09] <djzn> thanks barking
[01:10] <BarkingFish> no problem
[01:10] <djzn> hopefully i will stay with kubuntu
[01:10] <djzn> can't stand unity or gshell
[01:10] <BarkingFish> once you go K, there's no going away :P
[01:10] <BarkingFish> lol
[01:10] <djzn> gotta go
[01:10] <djzn> bye
[01:10] <BarkingFish> bye
[01:34] <Dice-Man> hi
[01:35] <Dice-Man> i want to play an mp3 song when the kernel is loading at boot
[01:35] <Dice-Man> how to do it ?
[03:22] <jcg2> Any one available for advice on troubleshoot a package that fails midway through launching?
[04:23] <LA_Roey> hola
[04:50] <caesar_> how do you view the software that is currently downloading and installing in the software center?
[05:36] <JdGordon> how do i get the hard disks to always spin down when idle? I cant find any power management settings for it?
[06:04] <kamilnadeem> HI
[06:05] <kamilnadeem> any kubuntu staff here or someone who can give this message to them?
[06:06] <kamilnadeem> on the Kubuntu page where the features of Kubuntu are mentioned in the Professional suite section openoffice.org is mentioned instead of Libreoffice . Please get it corrected.
[07:29] <jjman6> I'm having problems w/ kdenlive doing a video capture. it doesn't connect to my webcam.  But kopete/skype/amsn/jitsi have no problem w/ webcam
[07:51] <jjman6> i can't get kdenlive to record via webcam. it doesn't seem to connect. i confirmed its on /dev/video0 the default works fine in other apps
[07:57] <lolcat> thomas_________: Your internet sucks
[08:07] <edgy> Hi, how can I control kde today, I think there used to be a kcontrol
[08:16] <jussi> edgy: system settings
[08:17] <edgy> jussi: but isn't systemsettings an ubuntu thing? I need the original thing to test for a bug. I mean I want to change the number system, In systemsettings -> Locale -> Numbers -> Arabic-Indic changes nothing. I want to know whether this bug in ubuntu or kde
[08:21] <jussi> edgy: no, systemsettings was adopted by kde itself
[08:22] <edgy> jussi: thanks for the clarification, can you please test the bug I mentioned?
[08:22] <jussi> edgy: no, Im at work currently, sorry
[08:22] <edgy> jussi: np
[08:23] <edgy> any one here who can test the bug for me?
[08:27] <szal> afair, Systemsettings was originally introduced by Kubuntu back in the KDE 3.5 days, when all other distros still had Kcontrol
[08:28] <szal> as for KDE4, it was originally in all KDE distributions, that is correct
[09:17] <volodya> so, what is the community consensus on kmail in 11.10? It appears to cause no end of trouble for me; time to switch away from it?
[09:23] <jussi> volodya: probably a better place for that question is #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:24] <volodya> jussi: would it be ontopic here if I rephrase it as "why does kmail say 'Retrieving Folder Contents' for 10 mins already, whereas akonadi agent shows no activity whatsoever"?
[09:25] <jussi> volodya: yes, it would, because thats an actionable item we can try solve. :) However, I have no idea of the answer, save I know there were issues with kmail this release
[09:26] <volodya> jussi: ok.
[09:27] <volodya> obviously, I can get sources and -dbg package and debug the thing, but it's not apparent this is road leading anywhere.
[09:28] <jussi> volodya: is this a migration from an old kmail?  or a totally new setup ?
[09:28] <volodya> it's a totally new setup (actually, second totally new setup, after previous one has corrupted entire mysql database)
[09:36] <ucenik10> ej
[09:39] <alvin> If I press 'send' in Kmail, plasma crashes every time.
[09:41] <ucenik34> e tuka si?
[09:41] <ucenik33> dadada
[09:41] <ucenik33> haha
[09:45] <volodya> fwiw, the "fix" was to enable nepomuk again.
[12:33] <psychognite> hello every one
[12:33] <psychognite> i am new one in irc canany one temme some tricks here
[12:33] <psychognite> i will be very gratefull
[12:33] <psychognite> :p
[12:34] <rork> psychognite: first tri... is to be patient and not leave within a minute
[12:44] <snikker> hi, i've got this error: "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" in my Xorg.0.log. nVidia drivers are installed, can you help me?
[12:44] <snikker> i'm under oneiric
[12:47] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: hi
[12:47] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did you install the nvidia driver previously?
[12:47] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: hi, on this pc it's a new install
[12:48] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: i mean in the pc in which you are getting the error
[12:49] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: no
[12:49] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: i've made a fresh install of oneiric then i've installed nvidia drivers
[12:50] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: so after that you are getting this error?
[12:53] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: i don't know... because i've realized that it doesn't work because when i lunch some applications they say "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".", so i've cheched the xorg log
[12:55] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: no, what i exactly want to know is that are you having two different systems? are you using the system with the issue right now? are you able to login to your system or are you just in bash?
[12:58] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: i'm under kde now, in the system with the issue, so i can login... in this system i've got two graphics card (intel + nvidia)
[12:59] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: from where did you install the nvidia graphics driver?
[13:02] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: i've tried drivers from official ubuntu repository, then i've also tried this: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[13:02] <snikker> but with the same problem with both
[13:03] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: i think thats the problem
[13:03] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did you uninstall the derivers ?
[13:03] <phoenix_firebrd> *drivers
[13:03] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: no i didn't do it..
[13:04] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did you use the nvidia-settings to create a new xorg.conf?
[13:05] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: i thought tha uninstall was automatic..
[13:05] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: when?
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: open terminal
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: sudo nvidia-settings
[13:07] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: when it install the updated drivers from ppa repository, btw the xorg.conf wasn't present in my /etc/X11 directory. I've also create a new one with nvidia-setting, but with the xorg.conf file the system hang and doesnt start
[13:08] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: what is your graphics card model?
[13:08] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: if you want i can pastebin my xorg.conf file
[13:09] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: nVidia geForce GT540M
[13:09] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did it work in 11.04?
[13:09] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: i don't know... it's a fresh install with oneiric 11.11
[13:10] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: 11.10
[13:10] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: opps sorry, 11.10
[13:10] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: you were there yesterday right?
[13:11] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: yes i was here
[13:11] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: ok wait
[13:11] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: ok, thanks
[13:15] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did you purging and reinstalling the default drivers offered in the normal repos
[13:15] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did you  try purging and reinstalling the default drivers offered in the normal repos
[13:16] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: no i dont't have tryed it
[13:16] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: can you do it now?
[13:16] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[13:17] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker:  do you know how to do it?
[13:17] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: but first i suppose that i must remove the drivers from ppa repo, right?
[13:17] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: before installing , yes
[13:18] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: also remove the ppa from the sources list
[13:19] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: ok, in the ppa page they say to run this command "sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers"
[13:19] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: but this remove also the drivers from their ppa?
[13:19] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: dont know
[13:20] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: you better do it with muon
[13:20] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: ok
[13:21] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: before installing the driver delete the xorg.conf file
[13:21] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: ok
[13:22] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did you enable any ppas other than the xorg-edgers?
[13:23] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: yes, but are not related with nvidia or xorg
[13:23] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: anything related to kernel or xserver?
[13:23] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: no
[13:24] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: ok
[13:24] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[13:24] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[13:25] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd
[13:52] <Hedron> Hi, I am having problem with wine and kubuntu 11.10.
[13:53] <Hedron> when I try to create the prefix, it gets to fixme:iphlpapi:NotifyAddrChange (Handle 0x20ee92c, overlapped 0x20ee910): stub error and then waits forever
[13:53] <Hedron> if I interrupt it, I can start winecfg for example, but I am unable to run any other app
[13:58] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: hi, i'm come back
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: what ahppened?
[13:58] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: what happened?
[13:59] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: i'm under kde, but i think that nvidia driver isn't loaded
[13:59] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: i've purged and reinstalled drivers
[13:59] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did you delete the old xorg.conf files?
[14:00] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: yes i've do it
[14:00] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did you create a new xorg.conf using nvidia-settings?
[14:01] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: no, i do it now
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: start nvidia-settings with sudo
[14:02] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: do you mean nvidia-xconfig with sudo
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: ya
[14:03] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: ok, i've do it... now logout, restart x and... cross the fingers :-)
[14:11] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: here again, with the xorg.conf file system hang...
[14:11] <floown> hello
[14:12] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: have you used 11.04?
[14:12] <floown> do exist somethings like Komodo Edit for KDE (with Qt library) ?
[14:13] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: mmm i don't remember if i've used 11.04 on this notebook...
[14:14] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: did it work for any previous versions of kubuntu?
[14:15] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: the only thing i remember is that in the past with this pc i was able to run cairo-dock and google earth without any problem related to xlib...
[14:17] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker: Did the installation of the OS and the driver finish without any interruption?
[14:17] <snikker> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[14:23] <rork> floown: maybe KDevelop or Kate but these seem to be pretty powerless compared to Komodo, maybe you can get better help if you share which features you exactly want
[14:24] <snikker|2> phoenix_firebrd: the error in the xorg log say that a "ompatible NVIDIA X driver not found" but the nvidia driver is loaded, and came from official ubuntu repo
[14:25] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker|2: i think your card is a new one and not supported fully
[14:26] <snikker|2> phoenix_firebrd: but if i don't remember bad it's in the list cards supported by the nvidia driver
[14:26] <floown> rork: I use Ckeditor in Drupal but it remove all my indentation. The code is "compressed"… So I want I use a external editor to reformat my source if I want better to see what is wrong in my source…
[14:28] <floown> rork: I search I Qt program because since I'm in Kubuntu 11.10 all Gnome program take 100% my processor… :|
[14:28] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker|2:  you better ask yofel if your card is supported in the driver from from normal repos
[14:29] <snikker|2> phoenix_firebrd: i ask him, thanks for support
[14:29] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker|2: yw
[14:30] <snikker|2> phoenix_firebrd: :-)
[14:30] <phoenix_firebrd> snikker|2: :)
[14:31] <snikker|2> yofel: hi, i'm under oneiric, i've got nvidia geForce GT540M. My card is supported by the driver in the ubuntu repos?
[14:35] <floown> rork: can I reformat and autoindent my html source in Kdevelop ?
[14:35] <rork> floown: Kate doesn't seem to do auto identation, you can however indent multiple lines by selecting them and pressing tab, I don't know about KDevelop as I  don't use that
[14:38] <rork> floown: oh, you can with Kate, in Tools > Indentation set to XML style, then Tools > Align
[14:49] <yofel> snikker|2: should be from what I know - check in the additional drivers app if there's a recommended driver
[14:49] <floown> rork: WOW, excellent!
[14:49] <floown> the autoindent
[14:50] <snikker|2> yofel: i've already checked, but nothing...
[14:50] <rork> I was quite surprised it was in there too :)
[14:52] <yofel> snikker|2: nvidia lists the 540M as supported by 280.13 though
[14:53] <yofel> (see http://www.geforce.com/Drivers/Results/34961)
[14:53] <snikker|2> yofel: yes i've got it from ubuntu repo
[14:54] <yofel> snikker|2: ok, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[14:54] <snikker|2> yofel: yes
[14:54] <yofel> how did you install the driver btw.?
[14:54] <yofel> apt or jockey?
[14:54] <snikker|2> yofel: apt
[14:54] <yofel> updated xorg.conf after that?
[14:56] <snikker|2> yofel: http://pastebin.com/WfLcdDBg
[14:57] <snikker|2> yofel: i've tried with all upadated official packages in the ubuntu repos and also with ppa (xorg-edgers) but nothing changed
[14:57] <snikker|2> yofel: not i've got all original software from ubuntu repos
[14:57] <yofel> the looks like you have 2 GPU's in your system
[14:57] <snikker|2> yofel: yes itel + nvidia
[14:57] <snikker|2> *intel
[14:58] <yofel> then I can't help you as I don't know how to get those to work :/
[14:59] <snikker|2> yofel: ok, thank you anyway
[15:05] <genii-around> Well, that's annoying.
[15:05] <linkan-36> Hi! I'm new to Kubuntu. How do I use sudo?
[15:06] <genii-around> linkan-36: For command-line programs which need administrator rights, just prepend sudo to the command
[15:07] <antoinev> Hello, I am on kubuntu 11.10, my computer is unable to resume after hibernating (it try and then reboot).
[15:07] <antoinev> Both my swap and my ram are 6GB, I have checked the swap UUID in both /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume and /etc/fstab.
[15:07] <antoinev> Any tought?
[15:21] <mr-rich> antoinev: If I recall, doesn't the computer turn off when it hiernates?
[15:21] <mr-rich> hibernates
[15:22] <antoinev> yes it does
[15:22] <mr-rich> then just hitting the power button should bring it back ...
[15:22] <antoinev> what I meant is when I restart, it tries to restore the previous state but finally crashes and reboot
[15:23] <mr-rich> hardware?
[15:23] <chaitu> Greetings All. Am trying to install some new WM's. Can you guys suggest some good ones? preferably some good looking? Thanks
[15:23] <mr-rich> antoinev: hardware?
[15:24] <antoinev> mr-rich: what hardware do you need?
[15:24] <mr-rich> chaitu: www.reactos.org
[15:24] <chaitu> Thanks mr-rich. I will check that out
[15:24] <antoinev> intel xeon, 6GB
[15:24] <mr-rich> antoinev: this is a labtop, correct?
[15:24] <antoinev> no
[15:25] <mr-rich> antoinev: why do you need to hibernate a desktop?
[15:25] <chaitu> mr-rich: umn am not looking for new os..am just looking forward to try different window managers...
[15:26] <antoinev> To keep all my windows opens when I go back home every night whithout wating energy
[15:26] <antoinev> wasting*
[15:27] <mr-rich> chaitu: k ... www.distrowatch.com ... whole list of distros to choose from ...
[15:28] <chaitu> Thanks
[15:29] <mr-rich> antoinev: you can adjust power saving settings to spin down HDs, etc and shut off your monitor to save energy. An idle computer uses less enegery than a 60 watt light bulb ...
[15:30] <mr-rich> antoinev: I let my Kubuntu box run 24/7.
[15:30] <antoinev> hum, ok
[15:57] <searchfgold6789> Hello everyone can I ask a question here?
[15:58] <szal> !ask | searchfgold6789
[15:58] <searchfgold6789> oh ok
[15:59] <searchfgold6789> umm my desktop sphere and desktop cylinder are not working... the keyboard shortcuts don't do anything. nVidia NV34 Kubuntu 11.04 :) thanks
[16:02] <szal> NV34 = what?
[16:03] <searchfgold6789> GeForce FX 5200
[16:03] <szal> forget it..  unless they work w/ nouveau
[16:03] <genii-around> That's a pretty old card
[16:04] <searchfgold6789> well the cube works...
[16:04] <szal> the 173 legacy Nvidia driver has a shader bug preventing you from using desktop effects, and as the driver is legacy, that bug won't be fixed
[16:05] <searchfgold6789> I knew about the shader bug, but the desktop effects are working quite nicely.
[16:05] <searchfgold6789> So I guess I'll have to be happy with the cube :)
[16:05] <szal> they don't here on my 2nd machine w/ GeForce 5900XT
[16:06] <searchfgold6789> Well I had to change my scale method to Smooth .
[16:07] <szal> enabling desktop effects on that system results in a blank screen
[16:07] <searchfgold6789> x_x
[16:09] <searchfgold6789> have you *tried* switching the scale method or compositing type?
[16:09] <szal> no, not worth it, as it's only a testbed anyway
[16:10] <searchfgold6789> well then. I should count myself lucky :)
[16:43] <Matisse> hi
[16:45] <Matisse> I would like to play so music on a party with my computer, but sometimes the soundserver crashes. Only with vlc it never crashes, but the music slows down ugly
[16:47] <Matisse> whats the solution which works, in longterm? I think I chose pulse because the former sound server (OSS or Alsa?) wasnt able to play sounds from different programs at the same time
[16:51] <Matisse> ok, my mistake. alsa works together with pulse
[16:57] <Matisse> simple question: which sound server should I choose? (I going to check out if pulse is the real trouble maker)
[16:58] <genii-around> alsa is pretty much the de-facto standard
[16:59] <Matisse> ok
[17:02] <Matisse> ah!
[17:02] <Matisse> I remember
[17:03] <Matisse> I chose pulse (on 10.04 it isnt default), because I've had problem with my 4.1 system
[17:07] <Matisse> genii-around, is it possible to disable pulse for a while (without removing setting) to check if it works as good as pulse (concerning the 4.1)
[17:07] <_jam> does libreoffice still use java? it seems like with the java update I got yesterday, libreoffice is crashing on docx files
[17:08] <genii-around> Matisse: No idea. Debugging the sound system is not one of my stronger areas
[17:08] <Matisse> ok
[17:08] <Matisse> thx anyway
[17:34] <_jam> well, looks to be an upstream problem
[18:13] <TheBuntu> dual boot linux and windows... is order the os's should be... windows 1st on drive or linux 1st on drive
[18:14] <maco> install windows first. linux can set up a bootloader to handle dual-boot, but windows will pretend there's nothing else there and just lock you out of whatever was installed before it
[18:15] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, I always put windows first , the reason being the windows mbr is usually the first 512 bytes on a hdd
[18:16] <TheBuntu> Ok... will do.... everyone always says gimp is as good as photoshop.... But im likeing photoshop CS5 's cloning tools better then gimp
[18:19] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, never heard that claim ,  but gimp is good as far as free software goes ..I know windows users who love it.
[18:21] <TheBuntu> BluesKaj: gimp if your cloning an image and you stop in mid process.. you gota start over... photoshop you can stop and restart where you stoped...
[18:21] <TheBuntu> plus i think toutching up images is easyer with photoshop.... useing virtalvox.. i can never get photoshop to install
[18:22] <TheBuntu> opps i mean wine
[18:39] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[18:50] <TheLastProject> How do I add the firefox-stable and thunderbird-stable repositories without Muon freaking out about "broken configurations" and so? =/
[19:02] <mr-rich> TheLastProject: you could just be patient and wait for them to show up as updates ... :)
[19:03] <TheLastProject> mr-rich: There's a difference between being patient and having to wait several weeks for something that is already stable, just like the latest version of libmsn, Kopete won't connect without it, it is stable, but weeks later it still hasn't been updated... Besides that, it doesn't answer my question.
[19:05] <TheLastProject> Besides that, using an outdated browser adds security issues, so I am not happy with being unable to add the official mozilla stable repositories at all...
[19:07] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, security issues ? on linux ?
[19:08] <TheLastProject> Oh come on
[19:08] <TheLastProject> There is more to security then win32 viruses
[19:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, thqat's what I was thinking ..
[19:08] <TheLastProject> That Linux is less likely to be hit doesn't mean it won't be hit
[19:09] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, aw cmon , what are the chances now ...really
[19:09] <TheLastProject> ...
[19:09] <TheLastProject> Are we going to stay this off-topic and attacking someone for wanting to be safe and NOT wanting to wait weeks and is just asking how to add those repositories without Muon breaking?
[19:09] <sona> seems like quanta was removed from 11.10, is it still possible to get it somehow ?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> the , it ;s not an attack , merely a comment on an extremely unlike occurence.
[19:11] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, ^
[19:11] <BluesKaj> unlikely
[19:11] <BluesKaj> ..anyway i'd better clean my glasses again
[19:12] <TheLastProject> Doesn't change the fact that my question is being evaded and answered with useless comments like "just wait until it is added" and "worrying about security under Linux is dumb" instead of just being answered.
[19:12] <TheLastProject> If people don't know, that's fine, but these replies are NOT fine...
[19:15] <maco> add-apt-repository doesnt work?
[19:15] <maco> (i have no idea about muon though. i use apt-get)
[19:15] <TheLastProject> No, it doesn't. After I do that Apper won't update anymore =/
[19:16] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, add the repos to the sources.list and run any keys if needed , the update/upgrade> I've done without muon porblems.
[19:17] <maco> what's apper?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> apper is the new package updater
[19:17] <BluesKaj> it's better than muon IMO
[19:23] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj: It seems that there are only sources.list entries for Maverick and Lucid. Changing "maverick" to "oneiric" causes a 404 (same thing Apper does when normally adding the info through Software Sources using Muon), any clue what I should do against that? =/
[19:26] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, which kubuntu version are you running?
[19:26] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj: 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot)
[19:29] <mr-rich> I think Apper is still the old Kpackagekit ... but I could be mistaken ...
[19:31] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, sudo sed -i 's/lucid/oneiric/' /etc/apt/sources.list ..substitute the 'lucid for whatever exists in your sources.list now .You may have to run it twice due to maverick and lucid being listed
[19:33] <tgr> When I run kontact I get a mass of error messages written to stderr. A pile of errors of the form X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[19:33] <tgr>   Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
[19:33] <tgr>   Resource id:  0x1e000eb
[19:33] <tgr> A pile of the form: kontact(2331): Error while moving items.  103 "Unknown error. (No items found)"
[19:33] <tgr> And a pile of the form:kontact(2331)/kdeui (kdelibs) KXMLGUIClient::~KXMLGUIClient: 0x89d9c14 deleted without having been removed from the factory first. This will leak standalone popupmenus and could lead to crashes.
[19:33] <tgr> The program is very unresponsive when it runs (which is why I looked at what it was writing to stderr). Is this a known problem, and what should I do about it?
[19:33] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj: I don't know HOW you did it, but even though it gave me a 404 error at first that did make the update show up... Thank you o,o
[19:35] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, your sources list should have nothing but 'oneiric' in the deb urls  , unless you're running a regression on some apps , which is not good practice.
[19:36] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj: Hmmm, yeah, understandable. Guess I should send a message to the mozilla team about the lack of oneiric deb choice? o,o
[19:36] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, always run an update after editing the sources.list or adding deb url repos to muon or any package manager
[19:57] <opapo> I can get "snmpwalk -v2c -c public localhost" to display data, but not when I use my ip address
[20:00] <genii-around> opapo: Does <IP_ADDRESS> work?
[20:04] <opapo> yes
[20:08] <genii-around> opapo: Check your /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf
[20:08] <opapo> genii-around: what am I checking for?
[20:09] <opapo> "agentAddress udp:161,udp6:[::1]:161"
[20:10] <genii-around> opapo: Thats your ipv6 address
[20:10] <opapo> the udp:161 part should be ipv4 right?
[20:11] <genii-around> It can be either, ipv4 is easier to understand
[20:25] <Matisse> hi
[20:25] <Matisse> When my system is booting it doesnt react on typing -> I can't enter the boot menu. What might be the problem?
[20:40] <szal> Matisse: wireless keyboard?
[20:40] <Matisse> no, plain-old one :)
[20:41] <opapo> Matisse: does the option to enter boot menu appear?
[20:41] <Matisse> yes
[20:41] <Matisse> the menu poped up but then I changed the setting (but typing didnt work already before that)
[20:42] <Matisse> I mean, the choose-a-kernel list was shown, now the "esc to enter grub menu" appears
[20:42] <opapo> I'm assuming the keyboard works after booting
[20:42] <Matisse> yes
[20:43] <opapo> does the esc button work after booting?
[20:43] <Matisse> ah
[20:43] <Matisse> wait
[20:43] <Matisse> setting a password locks the input...
[20:44] <Matisse> and yes, the esc button works :)
[20:45] <Matisse> "... entries protected by the the command 'lock'"
[20:46] <Matisse> but I cant enter anything, not even a password...
[20:46] <Matisse> but now I have a clue for googling, thx
[20:46] <opapo> np
[20:48] <Matisse> I need to press "p" before I can enter a password
[20:50] <opapo> that's just wrong.  I'm not saying you are wrong, just the process
[21:26] <xmar1988> hi
[21:38] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[21:56] <jensoko> Getting random shutdowns on my system. can anyone help me troubleshoot?
[22:04] <jensoko> Getting random shutdowns on my system. can anyone help me troubleshoot?
[22:05] <opapo> I used the correct ip address.  now snmp is working properly.
[22:39] <copacetic> When I try to install a package or update my packages, I get errors because I don't have root access, however it does not prompt me for a password, is there a way to get it to prompt me, I am using kubuntu 11.10
[22:56] <BarkingFish> copacetic: what package manager are you using?
[22:56] <BarkingFish> apper or muon?
[23:03] <copacetic> muon
[23:03] <copacetic> barkingfish: muon for updating, qapt for installing downloaded packages
[23:05] <BarkingFish> hm.  Do you have apper installed?
[23:05] <copacetic> no
[23:05] <copacetic> I'd like to get this working with the default packages though
[23:06] <copacetic> I mean I can run them from the console with sudo but thats pretty annoying
[23:06] <copacetic> it just feels broken
[23:10] <BarkingFish> copacetic: is this a brand new install of 11.10?
[23:11] <copacetic> BarkingFish: Yes, although I did start with ubuntu 11.10 and then installed kubuntu desktop
[23:11] <BarkingFish> right, so what you have is a mixed package layout
[23:11] <BarkingFish> you have gnome and kde stuff on there, which is likely gonna mess things up for you.
[23:12] <copacetic> BarkingFish: Ah, I see
[23:12] <BarkingFish> before you go on, you might want to look at this:
[23:12] <BarkingFish> !purekde | copacetic
[23:12] <BarkingFish> it basically tells you how to strip gnome out of your system, and revert to all kde
[23:13] <copacetic> Awesome, thanks for your help
[23:14] <BarkingFish> no prob, come back when you've done that and we'll see you right :)
[23:39] <copacetic> lol, that was frightening
[23:40] <copacetic> I ran the command and rebooted and my system just froze ad a scrambled screen
[23:40] <alessandro_> italiani?
[23:40] <OerHeks> !it
[23:40] <copacetic> turns out the purekde cleanup also uninstalled my video drivers
[23:41] <copacetic> BarkingFish: Back to normal now though :)
[23:42] <BarkingFish> copacetic: yeah, taking out gnome does remove some of gstreamer, but when you put it back you only get the bare bones of gnome, not the stuff you actually don't want :)
[23:43] <BarkingFish> right, so now we need to sort out your package management
[23:43] <BarkingFish> the one I know of which does ask for authority before installing packages, and actually works, is apper
[23:44] <BarkingFish> if you could grab that by opening konsole, and typing sudo apt-get install apper , then we can go from there.
[23:44] <BarkingFish> apper is kde's default package manager, it's a reworking of kpackagekit, only better
[23:47] <copacetic> muon is still there, is that going to cause me problems?
[23:47] <copacetic> also I just installed apper
[23:47] <copacetic> brb, its bugging me for an update
[23:47] <copacetic> restart*


[12:10] <dandrader> greyback_, so mir 0.14 got released into vivid+overlay. so now the app focus stuff can finally land?
[12:10] <greyback_> dandrader: yeah, I'm looking after that
[17:03] <dandrader> bregma, hey, do you know where unity's cursor images are stored? and what code fetches them?
[17:06]  * dandrader finds dmz-cursor-theme package. looks promising
[17:10] <bregma> dandrader, as far as I know Unity just leverages the stock GTK cursors but I'll ask around
[17:14] <dandrader> probably uses libxcb-cursor to load X11 cursor themes such as the dmz one....


[06:35] <Pr0t3us> Anyone around that can help me take a look at why our new releases build is failing? From what I can tell all is fine up until one of the install files tries to move 2 binaries from usr/local/bin/ to usr/bin.. This has worked no problem in the past
[06:38] <Pr0t3us> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/357992526/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.smartcash_1.1.1-0xenial1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[06:40] <Pr0t3us> One of our previous buildlogs (which was successful) https://launchpadlibrarian.net/353211128/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-amd64.smartcash_1.1.0rc4-2zesty3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[06:46] <wgrant> Pr0t3us: Have you tried to reproduce the problem locally?
[06:46] <wgrant> Nothing jumps out at me.
[06:47] <Pr0t3us> Yea, I can't reproduce it locally. Seems to build fine.. Really don't know what I'm doing wrong on this one.
[06:49] <Pr0t3us> The smartcashd.install file seems to be where it's failing but that file hasn't changed at all and I can see it install the file to usr/local/bin/ in the build log, right?
[06:58] <wgrant> Yeah, exactly. It's a bit weird.
[06:58] <wgrant> Might be worth sticking a "find debian/tmp" in there, or turning on dh verbose mode, or similar.
[07:03] <Pr0t3us> do you think if i made it debian/tmp/usr/local/bin/smartcashd in the install file it would work ?
[07:10] <wgrant> Pr0t3us: I don't think so.
[12:38] <chrisccoulson> hi, I got 2 random launchpad emails this morning with the subject "Launchpad internal error" and the text "Launchpad encountered an internal error during the following operation: unspecified operation.  It was logged with id OOPS-5a001bc4ef552abf7d00754f55a4dc0a.  Sorry for the inconvenience."
[12:38] <chrisccoulson> the second one had a different oops code
[12:38] <chrisccoulson> I've got no idea what that was in response to
[12:38] <chrisccoulson> (it was before I started work)
[12:49] <cjwatson> Looks like that job has been running since aurora's reboot and is very confused.  Let me get it restarted
[13:06] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson, thanks (I received a third similar message just before you responded)
[13:07] <cjwatson> Yeah, I saw that the OOPS had some more recent instances
[13:08] <Forst> Hello! Sorry to interrupt. Got a user that posts spam in bugs, being going on for a while already, question on LP Answers was ignored. User https://launchpad.net/~xxx-man82, sample comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ru/+bug/358351/comments/31 . Thank you for attention!
[13:08] <cjwatson> Forst: can you link to the question on LP answers for me?
[13:09] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: kind of hard for me to tell what's going on though since some imports are super-slow.  which reminds me, I had a branch somewhere to make the logging a bit more useful ...
[13:09] <Forst> cjwatson: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/615863
[13:10] <cjwatson> Forst: I'll deal with that now, thanks.  sorry for missing it
[13:10] <Forst> Thank you very much!
[13:10] <cjwatson> I really must see if we can turn off expiry of questions for our own answers area
[14:16] <ricotz> hello, is is a bad time to upload long lasting builds currently? it seems some of mine just stopped without a log e.g. https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/14383177
[14:27] <cjwatson> We had some network saturation recently, which may have killed a few builds.  Just retry
[14:30] <ricotz> ok, done, I hope it will work out again
[16:14] <Pr0t3us> Can anyone help me? I'm still unable to build.. Can't figure out what the problem is
[16:14] <Pr0t3us> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/358019047/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.smartcash_1.1.1-3xenial4_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:25] <cjwatson> Pr0t3us: Looks like you're installing /usr/local/bin/smartcashd etc., but your debian/smartcashd.install refers to /usr/local/smartcashd.  Missing bin/
[16:26] <Pr0t3us> Thanks, I just noticed that too which was me just trying anything I can. /usr/local/bin/smartcashd also does not work which it always has
[16:26] <cjwatson> Pr0t3us: Also, your build is likely to fail a bit later since we generally forbid packages installing into /usr/local.  Should just use /usr/bin, --prefix=/usr etc.
[16:27] <Pr0t3us> We really didn't change anything that would mess that up. here's one with the file path correct and still failed - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/357992526/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.smartcash_1.1.1-0xenial1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:27] <Pr0t3us> Well the install places it in usr/bin
[16:27] <Pr0t3us> right?
[16:27] <cjwatson> it really doesn't.  look like 20 lines up!
[16:27] <cjwatson> libtool: install: /usr/bin/install -c smartcashd /<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/debian/tmp/usr/local/bin/smartcashd
[16:29] <cjwatson> hmm
[16:29] <Pr0t3us> I appreciate your help
[16:30] <cjwatson> one thing I would recommend is replacing the call to ./configure CPPFLAGS=... in debian/rules with dh_auto_configure -- CPPFLAGS=...
[16:30] <cjwatson> that way, you'll get all the usual defaults
[16:30] <cjwatson> I suspect that's a lot of your problem
[16:30] <Pr0t3us> Okay, I'll try that
[16:30] <cjwatson> you should then change debian/smartcashd.install to read as follows:
[16:30] <cjwatson> usr/bin/smartcashd
[16:31] <cjwatson> usr/bin/smartcash-cli
[16:31] <cjwatson> and similarly with your other .install files
[16:31] <cjwatson> the .install lines that don't relate to /usr/bin/ can stay as-is
[16:32] <Pr0t3us> So just remove the local like -
[16:32] <Pr0t3us> usr/bin/smartcashd usr/bin
[16:32] <cjwatson> no
[16:32] <Pr0t3us> or remove the usr/bin as well ?
[16:32] <cjwatson> you don't need the target directory if it's just the same as the source directory structure
[16:33] <cjwatson> so I mean "usr/bin/smartcashd usr/bin" would work, but it's redundant, "usr/bin/smartcashd" is all you need there
[16:34] <cjwatson> check for any other references to usr/local in your debian/ tree before you upload, and ideally try a test build locally first - you should have been able to reproduce this identical bug in sbuild
[16:34] <cjwatson> and iterating locally is generally less frustrating than iterating via even the best remote service, once you get it working
[18:05] <Pr0t3us> cjwatson: I tried your suggestions and unfortunately it's still not working. Still shows "not found" when trying to run the smartcashd.install and pull files
[18:06] <Pr0t3us> Wait, I think I may have just found something
[18:07] <cjwatson> tried locally I guess?  I don't see it in your PPA yet
[18:08] <Pr0t3us> Tried locally and then tried on PPA but with what I pushed to PPA I still had /usr/local/bin/ and it looks like it was installing to usr/bin/ like you said (when using dh_auto_configure)
[18:08] <Pr0t3us> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/358071441/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.smartcash_1.1.1-1artful2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:09] <Pr0t3us> Putting in the right filepath now (usr/bin/smartcashd) and trying again
[18:10] <cjwatson> right, that just looks like you forgot the .install changes
[18:10] <cjwatson> the configure change has worked
[18:10] <Pr0t3us> Yea, trying again now with the .install changes. Thanks again for the help
[18:10] <cjwatson> np
[18:10] <Pr0t3us> You're the best, seriously. I have a panicked team and 9000+ nodes waiting to update using this PPA
[18:10] <Pr0t3us> I'm feeling the pressure lol
[18:10] <cjwatson> yikes
[18:12] <cjwatson> whoa, our build farm is not happy at the moment either
[18:17] <Pr0t3us> Overloaded ?
[18:18] <cjwatson> no, outage induced by a compute node reboot I think
[18:20] <acheronuk_> cjwatson: not a good time to upload 140 packages then?
[18:21] <acheronuk_> I'll wait.....
[18:21] <Pr0t3us> lol
[18:21] <acheronuk_> actually 195
[18:21]  * acheronuk_ hides
[18:22] <cjwatson> acheronuk_: should be sorted soon hopefully, up to you
[18:41]  * ricotz hopes this doesn't break the ones currently running
[18:44] <cjwatson> no, it won't
[19:13] <Pr0t3us> Still waiting for build to start, going to be a while?
[19:13] <teward> it might, it might not.  impossible to reliably guess I think.
[19:14] <teward> eww
[19:14] <teward> cjwatson: build farm exploded?
[19:15] <teward> Pr0t3us: i'm going to err on the side of caution and say "Hes it will be a while"
[19:15] <teward> Yes*
[19:23] <cjwatson> no need to highlight me, please, doing what I can amid cooking dinner
[19:23] <cjwatson> comments in scrollback still apply
[19:25] <teward> i showed up and don't have scrollback, so my apologies :)
[19:25]  * teward kicks his ZNC for failing to send him scrollback
[19:26] <cjwatson> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/02/22/%23launchpad.html exists
[20:02] <cjwatson> builders coming back now
[20:03] <Pr0t3us> w00t :)
[20:03] <acheronuk> :D
[20:29] <Pr0t3us> Damn :/ still the same issue even with .installs updated.. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/358088709/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.smartcash_1.1.1-5xenial6_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:30] <Pr0t3us> When I build it locally it fails the same way but then has debian/tmp/usr/bin/ with all of the binaries there so I know it's completing the build, just not packaging the deb.. Makes no sense
[21:17] <cjwatson> Pr0t3us: ok, give me a few minutes
[21:20] <Pr0t3us> Thank you again cjwatson
[21:35] <cjwatson> just waiting for the build to get that far here
[21:55] <Pr0t3us> any luck?
[21:56] <cjwatson> still building - not the fastest in the world when my laptop's on battery and so throttled back
[21:59] <cjwatson> (it's nearly 10pm here, so I'm mostly doing housework)
[22:03] <Pr0t3us> I really don't know what else to try... wgrant mentioned trying to put a "find debian/tmp" in but where would I put that? in the .install files?
[22:04] <Pr0t3us> It's weird that we're having this problem. We never did previously and none of the src code changes should affect this part of the build process (packaging)
[22:05] <cjwatson> that'd go in debian/rules, but at this point it's probably faster to wait for my build to finish here ...
[22:05] <Pr0t3us> Okay, definitely.
[22:17] <cjwatson> sigh, really should've used -j4
[22:34] <cjwatson> aha!
[22:34] <cjwatson> Pr0t3us: your problem is that most of the files in debian/ have mysteriously become executable
[22:34] <cjwatson> presumably Windows damage
[22:35] <cjwatson> Pr0t3us: in your case, only debian/rules should actually be executable; none of the other files are scripts.  but if they're executable, recent versions of debhelper will try to execute them
[22:36] <Pr0t3us> wow i dont know how that happened. I don't use windows
[22:36] <Pr0t3us> Fixing now
[22:36] <Pr0t3us> Thank you so much again
[22:36] <cjwatson> so the reason it's saying that usr/bin/smartcashd doesn't exist is that it's trying to execute debian/smartcashd.install as a shell script, and that's the first word of the first line.  but it's executed at the top level of the package, rather than using dh_install's logic for picking files out of debian/tmp/
[22:36] <cjwatson> no problem, pesky +x bits can be hard to spot


[09:47] <rmg51> Morning
[11:33] <jackson> morning
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[12:35] <kodiak11> Mornin'
[12:37] <kodiak11> Pittsburgher here - RHEL user professionally for a few years now.  Was a Ubuntu hobbiest since the very beginning w/ 4.10 to about 10.04.  Just checking in to say howdy ya'll
[12:37] <kodiak11> Just now dipping a toe again w/ 14.04 on a Lenovo.  Trying to give Unity a fair shake.
[12:45] <teddy-dbear> don't shake too hard you might break it
[12:49] <kodiak11> There are some cool parts I guess, I've often thought with the trend toward 16:9 that getting vertical space back and putting side-bars on will help
[12:50] <kodiak11> but I'm not thrilled to not have all my silly XFCE widgets in the top bar tray
[12:50] <kodiak11> (CPU utilization etc)
[12:50] <kodiak11> After Gnome 2.32 I standardized on XFCE
[12:51] <rmg51> that's why I'm not using Unity
[12:51] <rmg51> I want silly things on my panel
[12:51] <rmg51> like an email notification icon
[12:51] <kodiak11> Are they sorting that?
[12:51] <rmg51> and a thermal monitor
[12:52] <kodiak11> Are gadgets coming back in later versions of Unity?
[12:52] <rmg51> haven't heard
[12:53] <rmg51> as long as I can't add to the panel I won't use it
[12:53] <rmg51> I stay with XFCE
[13:13]  * jedijf votes Lubuntu
[13:51] <rmg51> can't customize it the way you can XFCE
[14:04] <kodiak11> Sure that's fair but I feel like Unity could suck less if they just sort some stuff out.  Wonder how Clem's projects are doing (haven't looked in a bit at Cinnamon and whatever the other one was...)
[14:21] <kodiak11> Looks like there are a few gadgets avail in unity that can make it suck less:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available