[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, anyone to test a bug?
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> ignore that, my fault really
[02:43] <gnomefreak> asac: are people that really frigging stupid :( see bug 24728 for more info
[02:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 24728 in firefox "Firefox crash  [NO NEW CRASH REPORTS] " [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/24728
[01:29] <asac> bug 71131
[01:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 71131 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird crashes if you change Gnome theme while it is running" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71131
[01:29] <asac> interesting
[01:29] <asac> probably no totem in there ;)
[04:18] <gnomefreak> maybe they had a tab open in firefox playing a video. since ff and tb use same (gtk) maybe both crashed?
[04:21] <gnomefreak> asac: is it safe to reject bug 97429
[04:21] <ubotu> Malone bug 97429 in firefox "Login hangs for Kodak Firefox plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97429
[04:25] <asac> hmm
[04:25] <asac> can we reproduce?
[04:25] <asac> or get that plugin from somewhere?
[04:25] <gnomefreak> i dont know. i guess ill try
[04:25] <gnomefreak> he gives link in bug.
[04:26] <gnomefreak> but not sure if somehting in 2.0 changed or the extenstion was updated wrong
[04:29] <gnomefreak> i was able to log in fine
[04:30] <gnomefreak> oh damn nvm im on feisty
[04:31] <gnomefreak> checking edgy
[04:31] <gnomefreak> feistys log in was much faster
[04:32] <gnomefreak> ill be back when i get back ill see it
[04:37] <gnomefreak> ok im gonna assign this bug to me for a bit i want to test a few things.
[04:41] <gnomefreak> building a chroot for a fully updated edgy so i dont lose the retrace chroot packages
[04:49] <gnomefreak> asac: im merging the bzr branch now. if there is updates can i just build it or do i need to remove the trunk build first?
[04:49] <gnomefreak> nvm it looks like merge applies the new stuff
[04:50] <asac> merge?
[04:50] <asac> ah
[04:50] <asac> i think so
[04:50] <asac> it has changed
[04:50] <asac> i removed the tarball
[04:51] <asac> you can rebuild tarball before building:
[04:51] <asac> ./debian/rules neworig
[04:51] <asac> this will checkout cvs
[04:51] <asac> it uses date that is encoded in changelog version
[04:51] <asac> so if you want something newer, add a changelog version and adapt state
[04:51] <asac> adapt date
[04:51] <asac> :)
[04:51] <gnomefreak> All changes applied successfully.
[04:52] <gnomefreak> does that mean it was applied to mine or to the trunk source on branch?
[05:05] <gnomefreak> ah ok merging updated changelog to todays date with "update upstream cvs" so i just rebuild and it should overwrite the one now.
[05:28] <asac> ?
[05:28] <asac> what revision do you have in
[05:28] <asac> # bzr info
[05:29] <asac> Branch history:
[05:29] <asac>          6 revisions
[05:29] <asac>          6 days old
[05:29] <asac>    first revision: Wed 2007-03-21 18:21:15 +0100
[05:29] <asac>   latest revision: Wed 2007-03-28 12:14:56 +0200
[05:29] <asac> Revision store:
[05:29] <asac>          6 revisions
[05:29] <asac>      33562 KiB
[05:30] <asac> 1: is the tarball gone (should be!) ?
[05:30] <asac> did you run
[05:30] <asac> ./debian/rules neworig
[05:30] <asac> to produce a new tarball?
[05:30] <asac> did it work?
[05:31] <gnomefreak> the tar never changed dates
[05:31] <asac> the tarball was removed
[05:31] <asac> it should be gone
[05:32] <gnomefreak> not yet its seems bzr and apt-get update seem to be killing badnwidth
[05:32] <asac> i think bzr updated properly
[05:32] <gnomefreak> firefox-2.99+1-3.0a.20070201.tar.bz2.cdbs-config_list
[05:32] <asac> e.g. its finished
[05:32] <asac> thats not the tarball :)
[05:32] <gnomefreak> was left so maybe the tar was gone
[05:32] <asac> yeah
[05:33] <asac> nur run ./debian/rules neworig
[05:33] <asac> now
[05:33] <asac> that should take a while
[05:33] <asac> if its done you should be able to build as usualy
[05:33] <asac> what version did you choose in changelog?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> that builds new tar than i need to build it than install it?
[05:34] <gnomefreak> i didnt choose one but i saw the latest one it was todays update
[05:37] <asac> yes
[05:37] <asac> right
[05:37] <asac> you can keep it
[05:37] <asac> you don't need to update changelog then
[05:37] <asac> neworig will automatically bring you the tarball of today
[05:38] <gnomefreak> k
[05:38] <gnomefreak> i will do it as soon as i get chroot set up
[05:38] <asac> though state of today has some caret regressions ... so not usable when editing wikis :)
[05:39] <gnomefreak> cant use trunk to edit wikis?
[05:39] <gnomefreak> thats a hell of a regression (what did it lose)
[05:41] <asac> did not loose anything
[05:41] <asac> just rewrite ongoing
[05:42] <asac> should be shaken out in a few days or so
[05:42] <asac> you can edit wikis :)
[05:42] <asac> just give it a try
[05:42] <asac> its just a bit cumbersome :)
[05:42] <gnomefreak> ok i will
[05:44] <asac> trunk has huge changes of layout/gecko engines ongoing ... so this is expected
[05:45] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[06:01] <asac> maybe I should use the "minefield" branding :) ... at least if you build from bzr ;)
[06:01] <asac> so people know "this is bleeding edge ... this is dangerous" :)
[06:11] <asac> hjmf: maybe we should make it ieven easier for users to retrace themselves?
[06:11] <asac> apport-unpack /var/crash/_usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.1000.crash
[06:11] <asac> some/tmp_dir/
[06:11] <asac> e.g. by
[06:11] <asac> making a script out of this :)
[06:11] <gnomefreak> do we want users to retrace thier own crashes?
[06:11] <asac> if they fail or don't want to attach core dump yes
[06:11] <gnomefreak> that will add alot of crap to thier system
[06:12] <asac> apport-unpack /var/crash/_usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.$(id -u).crash :)
[06:12] <asac> na
[06:12] <asac> just with firefox-dbg
[06:12] <gnomefreak> ok yeah if it is choice thats fine. but im trying to get backtraces from them
[06:12] <asac> and then gdb
[06:12] <asac> _usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.
[06:12] <asac> https://launchpad.net/bugs/96967
[06:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 96967 in firefox "Firefox Crash" [Undecided,Needs info]
[06:12] <asac> look at hjmf description
[06:12] <asac> something like that
[06:13] <asac> but make it more failsafe:
[06:13] <asac> tempdir=$(mktemp -d)
[06:13] <asac> apport-unpack /var/crash/_usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.$(id -u).crash $tempdir
[06:13] <asac> gdb -nx gdb -nx /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -core $tempdir/CoreDump 2>&1 | tee gdb.log
[06:13] <asac> rm -rf $tempdir
[06:14] <asac> thats it
[06:14] <asac> ups
[06:14] <asac> of course no doulbe gdb :)
[06:22] <asac> why bright?
[06:23] <gnomefreak> i used rm -rf :(
[06:24] <gnomefreak> there is a problem with nvidia geforce4 and feisty and i wasnt paying attention while cleaning out ~/ and deleted the trunk folder along with 3 others including ~/.gnupg i forgot to add the ~ to it :(
[06:25] <gnomefreak> im trying to get trunk back with bzr and it hangs
[06:25] <asac> damn so your home is wiped again?
[06:26] <gnomefreak> only 3or 4 files
[06:27] <gnomefreak> i got them back from USB stick except the bzr branch and bzr is hangging so i might try again later
[06:27] <gnomefreak> the little \ isnt spinning
[06:31] <gnomefreak> hjmf: can you add that process to the responces wiki?
[06:33] <gnomefreak> brb gonna try reboot
[06:55] <hjmf> gnomefreak: ok I'll do. Write on wiki responses the gdb stuff
[06:56] <gnomefreak> ty one of these days i will go through it a clean that wiki up alot of stuff should be in one single response not 10
[06:56] <hjmf> :)
[07:03] <asac> crash reporting deserves its own page
[07:04] <asac> gnomefreak: if you do that, please make the formats of the answers more structured
[07:04] <gnomefreak> i planned on it
[07:04] <asac> currently its one long line without paragraphs etc.
[07:04] <asac> urls should get their own indented line etc.
[07:04] <asac> i guess you know what i mean :)
[07:04] <gnomefreak> asac: Applying patch no-have-stdint-h-ftbfs.patch
[07:04] <gnomefreak> can't find file to patch at input line 9
[07:04] <gnomefreak> Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
[07:04] <gnomefreak> The text leading up to this was:
[07:05] <gnomefreak> when trying to build after bzr clone
[07:06] <gnomefreak> |--- mozilla.orig/configure.in  2007-01-31 17:12:09.000000000 +0100
[07:06] <gnomefreak> |+++ mozilla/configure.in       2007-03-22 02:21:42.000000000 +0100
[07:06] <gnomefreak> maybe the cause?
[07:06] <asac> hmm
[07:06] <asac> does it fail or just complain?
[07:06] <asac> oh
[07:06] <asac> you really have a tarball now?
[07:06] <gnomefreak> fails
[07:07] <asac> please show ls
[07:07] <gnomefreak> no tarball
[07:07] <asac> in directory
[07:07] <asac> then it can't work
[07:07] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~/firefox-trunk-gnomefreak$ ls
[07:07] <gnomefreak> build-tree  debian
[07:07] <asac> you have to produce it first
[07:07] <asac> yeah
[07:07] <asac> produce it as i said
[07:07] <asac> ./debian/rules neworig
[07:07] <gnomefreak> run rules
[07:07] <asac> mui importante: neworig
[07:07] <gnomefreak> in the debian dir?
[07:08] <asac> neworig is not run during normal build
[07:08] <asac> no
[07:08] <asac> just that line
[07:08] <asac> when you are in top dir
[07:08] <gnomefreak> it failed in the source dir
[07:08] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~/firefox-trunk-gnomefreak$ ./debian/rules neworig
[07:08] <gnomefreak> patches/no-have-stdint-h-ftbfs.patch: No such file or directory
[07:08] <gnomefreak> with more lines after that
[07:08] <asac> thats ok
[07:08] <asac> it should do cvs then
[07:08] <gnomefreak> set -e; sh -c "cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs-mirror.mozilla.org:/cvsroot co mozilla/client.mk; cd mozilla && make -f client.mk checkout MOZ_CO_DATE=20070328 MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser"
[07:08] <asac> yeah
[07:09] <gnomefreak> sh: cvs: not found
[07:09] <asac> thats right
[07:09] <gnomefreak> cd: 1: can't cd to mozilla
[07:09] <asac> :)
[07:09] <gnomefreak> make: *** [mozilla]  Error 2
[07:09] <asac> gnomefreak: guess!
[07:09] <gnomefreak> thats good?
[07:09] <asac> what is missing?
[07:09] <gnomefreak> its missing cvs
[07:09] <hjmf> done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses#head-8405d4794c0643fabf667f91a3fcd14baa76ca7c
[07:09] <asac> exactly ... so install it :)
[07:10] <asac> hjmf: some minor typo:
[07:10] <asac> Install the debuggin symbols for firefox:
[07:10] <asac> apt-get install firefox-db
[07:10] <asac> Run gdb against the coredump file included in the crash report that was generated when firefox crashed. You'll need to unpack the crash report and call gdb in this way:
[07:10] <asac> s/firefox-db/firefox-dbg/
[07:10] <hjmf> oops :)
[07:11] <asac> and maybe add more -dbg packages from the original crash page
[07:11] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/#head-c576e78d92cb3c959c271158b6ace98be835de83
[07:11] <asac> dunno if that is needed
[07:12] <asac> maybe on the first run we ask just to install the firefox-dbg packages
[07:12] <asac> if backtrace is not good enough ask to install all
[07:12] <hjmf> I wrote If you feel brave, look at the gdb output and search for missing dbg libraries or other warnings, install them and run again gdb.
[07:12] <hjmf> Maybe is not too clear :)
[07:12] <asac> yeah :)
[07:13] <asac> if you have some spare bandwidth consider to install libgtk2.0-0-dbg, ... as well
[07:13] <asac> better?
[07:13] <asac> so firefox-dbg is mandatory while the others are nice to have :)
[07:14] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs <- that page should definitly be revised as well :)
[07:14] <asac> e.g. the Debug section
[07:14] <hjmf> I'll review asao
[07:14] <hjmf> asap
[07:17] <hjmf> lol :)
[07:26] <asac> :)
[07:30] <gnomefreak> ok got chroot installing things got cvs running and i will be back later have to go out
[08:05] <asac> k
[08:08] <asac> ok ... now i have to do some debian work :) ... just a few minutes ;)
[08:15] <asac> anyone knows if pdf documents are opened within firefox for some setup?
[08:16] <asac> e.g. does evince provide a plugin?
[08:17] <asac> sorry, that I am such a text-only bug :) ... can't remember when I last tried to open a pdf from web without downloading first :)
[08:18] <asac> hmmm mozplugger does it
[08:32] <asac> that is plain awesome
[08:32] <asac> install mozplugger
[08:32] <asac> don't install totem-mozilla, but only totem-xine
[08:32] <asac> --> things will work :)
[08:34] <asac> that gives some great new ideas :)
[08:47] <hjmf> tested mozplugger; not sure what it does, but now i can view http://www.apple.com/itunes/ads with totem plugin
[08:52] <asac> how?
[08:52] <asac> totem-xine
[08:52] <asac> if you have mozplugger you don't even need
[08:52] <asac> totem-mozilla :)
[08:52] <asac> and restyle crash will be gone
[08:52] <asac> its funny
[08:52] <asac> try it
[08:52] <hjmf> ok
[08:53] <asac> the whole totem standard window gets pushed into that embed window :)
[09:02] <hjmf> in my case seems that is mplayer what plays the video
[09:04] <asac> uninstall all mozilla plugins :)
[09:04] <asac> e.g. remove mozilla-mplayer
[09:05] <asac> hjmf: i guess you attached the wrong threadstacktrace for bug 97478 right?
[09:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 97478 in firefox "[feisty]  Firefox Crashed [@IA__g_signal_emit_valist] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97478
[09:06] <asac> Bug 60147
[09:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 60147 in firefox "saved firefox resumes as if crashed" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60147
[09:07] <asac> -> dup of crash on instant x shutdown
[09:07] <hjmf> looking
[09:08] <hjmf> that stacktrace was curious but is the one on that crash, because I post them from a script, so no chances for a mistake. I'll review anyway
[09:09] <asac> hmmm maybe unexpected content in result confused your script :)
[09:09] <asac> anyway, more important: bug 97257
[09:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 97257 in firefox "Upgrade to Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> causes xine plugin to crash Firefox" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97257
[09:09] <asac> do we see that: "whenever playing video it crashes" ?
[09:10] <hjmf> wmv files are always problematic
[09:10] <asac> what problematic?
[09:11] <asac> do they crash?
[09:11] <asac> its really important as user says that it doesn't crash with <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:11] <asac> which would be a no go regression
[09:12] <gnomefreak> asac: can you trust the user to have done the same thing with <IP_ADDRESS> and .3 as in lets say theme crash did they change themes with <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:13] <asac> no
[09:13] <asac> but this sounds really to be different
[09:13] <asac> because user says: crashes always
[09:13] <asac> just want to verify that someone can use totem-xine
[09:13] <gnomefreak> edgy?
[09:13] <hjmf> ... Im trying to test with xine-plugin
[09:13] <asac> e.g. for our apple ads
[09:13] <asac> no
[09:14] <asac> on feisty
[09:14] <asac> xine-plugin?
[09:14] <gnomefreak> feisty on the apple ads?
[09:14] <asac> its totem-mozilla with totem-xine
[09:14] <asac> for instance
[09:14] <hjmf> however its named
[09:14] <hjmf> :)
[09:14] <asac> if that works i would feel better
[09:14] <gnomefreak> thats what i use
[09:14] <asac> gnomefreak: e.g. not theme crash
[09:14] <asac> so <IP_ADDRESS> works? on apple site?
[09:14] <asac> good
[09:14] <asac> with totem-xine?
[09:14] <gnomefreak> i have no problem view the videos
[09:14] <asac> ok
[09:15] <gnomefreak> as long as i dont change themes
[09:15] <gnomefreak> will check again in a few
[09:15] <asac> good ... and you are running latest?
[09:15] <asac> was there a totem update in the last days?
[09:15] <gnomefreak> yes fully updated as of 9am this morning
[09:15] <gnomefreak> its 3:15pm atm
[09:16] <gnomefreak> ok lets prey this builds now
[09:16] <asac> gnomefreak: can you play videos in chroot?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> i should be able to.
[09:18] <asac> hmm doesn't work for me
[09:19] <asac> now i mounted /dev as well
[09:19] <gnomefreak> still cant build it
[09:19] <hjmf>  Message: totemPlugin ctor [0x85846f8]
[09:19] <hjmf> ** Message: Init mimetype 'video/quicktime' mode 1
[09:19] <hjmf> ** Message: Base URI is 'http://www.apple.com/itunes/'
[09:19] <hjmf> ** Message: Failed to open DBUS session: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
[09:20] <asac> gnomefreak: what happens?
[09:20] <asac> has neworig finished?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> alot of crap worth of output let me see if i have depends
[09:20] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:20] <asac> ok
[09:21] <asac> so you miss dependencies...ok
[09:21] <asac> that would be the lesser evil :)
[09:21] <asac> hjmf: where do you see that?
[09:21] <asac> hjmf: but no crash?
[09:21] <hjmf> playing apple ads on feisty s  chroot
[09:21] <asac> ah ok
[09:21] <hjmf> no crash, but no video
[09:21] <asac> yeah
[09:22] <asac> have mounted /proc and /dev ?
[09:22] <hjmf> no
[09:22] <asac> i think you need both
[09:22] <asac> in chroot
[09:22] <hjmf> noticed
[09:22] <gnomefreak> hjmf: refresh page
[09:22] <asac> hjmf: like this
[09:22] <asac>  /proc /srv/chroots/feisty2/proc none bind 0 0
[09:22] <hjmf> is what asac said yesterday about dbus and totem :)
[09:22] <asac>  /dev /srv/chroots/feisty2/dev none bind 0 0
[09:23] <asac> ah :) ... yeah ... at least the symptom is the same ... if dbus does fail it doesn't play movie
[09:23] <hjmf> :)
[09:23] <asac> however i don't see such a message in case totem does not play
[09:23] <hjmf> noticed my fstab I had commented out the proc entries
[09:23] <asac> ah
[09:23] <asac> ok
[09:23] <asac> i have mounted both
[09:24] <asac> but still it doesn't play
[09:24] <hjmf> I guess I did that for some reason I dont remember
[09:24] <gnomefreak> asac: http://pastebin.ca/413896
[09:24] <gnomefreak> asac: while your reading ill be right back need smoke
[09:25] <asac> actually my feisty chroot is a bit wierd ... everywhere i can just schroot -cmychrootX -p
[09:25] <asac> and then DISPLAY is set properly
[09:25] <asac> in feisty i have to export DISPLAY=localhost:xxx
[09:25] <asac> just in chroot
[09:25] <asac> yes
[09:25] <asac> gnomefreak:
[09:25] <asac> you have to use a different command :)
[09:26] <asac> there is now bzr cruft in your sourcetree
[09:26] <asac> which you don't want in diff.gz
[09:26] <asac> thus:
[09:26] <asac> use one more option for building:
[09:26] <asac> -i.bzr/
[09:26] <asac> e.g. dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -i.bzr/
[09:26] <asac> so the .bzr dir is not recognized during build
[09:27] <asac> sorry i forgot to say that last time :)
[09:27] <gnomefreak> its all good its running lets see how far it gets
[09:27] <gnomefreak> so from now on the -i.bzr is needed in all cases?
[09:27] <hjmf> got rid of the proc error, but cant view those ads because:
[09:28] <hjmf> ** (totem-plugin-viewer:24847): WARNING **: Mimetype 'video/quicktime' doesn't have a handler
[09:28] <hjmf>  don't know how to handle video/x-h264
[09:28] <hjmf> ** Message: totem_embedded_set_error: 'An error occurred', 'The playback of this movie requires the following decoders which are not installed:
[09:28] <hjmf> MPEG-4 AAC decoder
[09:29] <hjmf> :/
[09:29] <gnomefreak> hjmf: libxine-extracodecs?
[09:29] <gnomefreak> comes in handy for those non free formats :)
[09:29] <hjmf> trying
[09:34] <asac> i still get ** (totem-plugin-viewer:9664): WARNING **: Error in bacon_video_widget_play: There is no plugin to handle this movie
[09:34] <asac> in schroot
[09:34] <asac> with totem-xine
[09:34] <asac> while it works well on main desktop
[09:34] <gnomefreak> i get that too sometimes
[09:34] <asac> sometimes?
[09:35] <gnomefreak> give me some time and ill try it. refreshing page sometimes help
[09:35] <gnomefreak> i was getting that on main install not so much chroot
[09:35] <asac> do you get that just in chroot?
[09:35] <asac> or everywhere?
[09:35] <asac> what happens if you get that?
[09:35] <asac> just black screen
[09:35] <gnomefreak> everywhere i beileve but give me a few and ill find out
[09:35] <asac> but totem controls are visible?
[09:35] <asac> thank you
[09:36] <gnomefreak> make that alot of time
[09:36] <gnomefreak> i dont have feisty set up for it yet in chroot. i was getting those warnings in gdb>
[09:36] <gnomefreak> thats why it failed to crash maybe
[09:37] <asac> hmm please try in main install
[09:37] <asac> if you can visit video sites well :)
[09:37] <asac> just to be double sure
[09:37] <gnomefreak> k
[09:37] <hjmf> ok totem fails to play because doesn't know how to play codec h264
[09:37] <gnomefreak> whats the apple site?
[09:38] <hjmf> but installing mozplugger calls (i guess ) ffmpeg which knows how to do it
[09:38] <gnomefreak> mine might be using vlc
[09:38] <asac> i have as well
[09:38] <asac> did that once because i thought it might be related
[09:38] <gnomefreak> i might have to figure out how to set totem as default
[09:41] <asac> totem usually wins
[09:41] <asac> haven't found another plugin that wins mplayer comes second ... same vlc
[09:44] <hjmf> yes, here totem-mozilla when is always the default player whichever other plugin is installed
[09:44] <hjmf> d/when/
[09:45] <gnomefreak> ** Message: Launching: /usr/lib/totem/totem-plugin-viewer --plugin-type narrowspace --user-agent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/<IP_ADDRESS> (Ubuntu-feisty) --mimetype video/quicktime --no-controls
[09:45] <asac> yeah thats standard message afaik
[09:45] <gnomefreak> ** (totem-plugin-viewer:31114): WARNING **: Error in bacon_video_widget_play: There is no plugin to handle this movie.
[09:45] <asac> yes ... and does it work?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> this is on main system
[09:46] <gnomefreak> it shows it to start with and when you hit reply it goes black
[09:46] <gnomefreak> ** Message: Viewer state: STOPPED
[09:46] <gnomefreak> ** Message: totem_embedded_set_error: 'An error occurred', 'The movie could not be read.'
[09:46] <gnomefreak> ** Message: NewStream mimetype 'video/quicktime' URL 'http://images.apple.com/itunes/home/images/2007/01/appletv_intro_20070109.mov'
[09:47] <gnomefreak> seeing as we have no real quicktime packages you are gonna get that i would think
[09:47] <hjmf> ... that's what I said :)
[09:47] <hjmf> doesn't know how to play codec h264
[09:47] <hjmf> apple format
[09:47] <asac> wait a sec
[09:47] <asac> bbim
[09:47] <gnomefreak> i dont get that error hjmf
[09:47] <gnomefreak> nothing about codec h264
[09:48] <hjmf> --> video/x-h264
[09:48] <hjmf> At least here
[09:48] <hjmf> with the package you told me :)
[09:48] <gnomefreak> now i see the people
[09:49] <gnomefreak> click to watch new ad
[09:49] <gnomefreak> so i did
[09:49] <hjmf> I had some experience with that and my ipod, I had to recompile myself ffmpeg
[09:49] <hjmf> with aac support and others
[09:49] <gnomefreak> http://www.apple.com/itunes/ads/partycolor/
[09:51] <hjmf> I can view the adds with totem if I select my compiled ffmpeg stuff, but I cant with the default one
[09:51] <gnomefreak> libquicktime0 :)
[09:52] <gnomefreak> libxine1-ffmpeg
[09:52] <gnomefreak> we have a few quicktime things to use atleast try
[09:52] <hjmf> I have them installed
[09:52] <gnomefreak> libxine1-plugins quicktime-utils quicktime-x11utils
[09:52] <hjmf> libxine1-ffmpeg                  1.1.4-2ubuntu3
[09:54] <hjmf> same error MPEG-4 AAC decoder
[09:54] <hjmf> H.264 decoder
[09:54] <hjmf> nevermind I can use my ffmpeg or just mozplugger
[09:54] <hjmf> :)
[09:55] <hjmf> as I use my ffmpeg to transcode movies for my ipod </offtopic> :)
[09:56] <hjmf> see you
[09:56] <gnomefreak> socor?
[09:56] <hjmf> yes
[09:56] <gnomefreak> soccer?
[09:56] <hjmf> yes
[09:56] <hjmf> an important match to classify to the euro-cup
[09:57] <hjmf> not a big opponent but spain is in a semi-crisis of results :)
[09:57] <hjmf> bye
[09:59] <hjmf> I didn't want to close
[09:59] <gnomefreak> that was fast game
[09:59] <hjmf> lol
[10:00] <gnomefreak> have fun
[10:00] <hjmf> thank you
[10:02] <gnomefreak> still cant seem to play it :(
[10:07] <asac> ok sorry
[10:07] <asac> phone call
[10:07] <asac> was here
[10:08] <asac> gnomefreak: so you can't play at all?
[10:08] <asac> hjmf: soccer?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> nope not looking that way i just installed mozplugger lets see
[10:08] <asac> with mozplugger it works
[10:08] <asac> you have to uninstall totem-mozilla
[10:08] <asac> then
[10:09] <asac> and keep totem-xine installed
[10:09] <gnomefreak> i have both
[10:09] <gnomefreak> asac: check so do you im sure
[10:09] <gnomefreak> apt-cache policy totem-mozilla than totem-xine
[10:10] <asac> if you have totem-mozilla mozplugger will not kick-in
[10:10] <asac> but you don't have to test that
[10:10] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:10] <asac> i just want to know: does video work?
[10:10] <asac> in feisty
[10:10] <asac> thats my only concern now :)
[10:10] <asac> default video
[10:10] <gnomefreak> its lack of quicktime codecs
[10:10] <asac> aka totem-mozilla
[10:11] <asac> na .. why? it works flawless here on edgy
[10:11] <asac> thats what I fail to understand :(
[10:11] <gnomefreak> well than why would it fail on edgy with a codecs failure
[10:11] <gnomefreak> firefox hold no code for codecs afaik
[10:12] <gnomefreak> s/hold/holds
[10:12] <gnomefreak> firefox just calls player
[10:12] <asac> ?
[10:12] <asac> it does work on edgy
[10:12] <asac> it fails on feisty for you
[10:12] <asac> any other site with video?
[10:13] <asac> gnomefreak: try these
[10:13] <asac> http://digital-desert.com/mpg-videos/
[10:13] <asac> those are mpgs
[10:13] <gnomefreak> not tried yet but im betting its strictly quicktime. i dont do videos much so i dont have links laying around i will ask a few people for video links
[10:17] <asac> do those work?
[10:21] <gnomefreak> was i part of that split?
[10:21] <asac> yeah
[10:21] <asac> you have been away
[10:21] <asac> do those work?
[10:21] <asac> http://digital-desert.com/mpg-videos/
[10:21] <asac> ?
[10:22] <gnomefreak> only opening them in totem not the plugin
[10:22] <asac> so its completely broken
[10:22] <gnomefreak> right click and choose open in movie player
[10:23] <asac> that does not help a lot
[10:23] <asac> its completely unacceptable that embedded video is broken
[10:23] <asac> do you have epiphany?
[10:23] <asac> is it broken there too?
[10:23] <gnomefreak> i agree but is it fireefox or plugins
[10:23] <asac> package: epiphany-browser
[10:23] <gnomefreak> i dont think i have it atm
[10:24] <gnomefreak> nope not yet
[10:24] <asac> i hope its plugin ... otherwise i don't see what's going on
[10:24] <asac> firefox <IP_ADDRESS> was just tiny
[10:24] <asac> difference
[10:24] <asac> but i know: totem 2.18 has major rewrite of plugin layer
[10:24] <gnomefreak> its installing
[10:24] <asac> thanks
[10:24] <gnomefreak> than i blame plugin
[10:25] <asac> i know that totem developers test more on epiphany
[10:25] <asac> who knows
[10:25] <asac> why did it went unseen so long?
[10:25] <gnomefreak> mojor overwrite > tiny security fixes
[10:25] <gnomefreak> weve been testing in edgy chroots?
[10:25] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS> is only a day old in ubuntu?
[10:25] <asac> thats why i think maybe its still firefox problem
[10:26] <asac> yes if its a plugin problem then <IP_ADDRESS> should not matter
[10:26] <gnomefreak> it worked in <IP_ADDRESS> in feisty?
[10:26] <asac> i don't know!!! AND THAT IS REALLY BAD :)
[10:26] <gnomefreak> lol
[10:26] <asac> gnomefreak: can you please try i mplayer works?
[10:26] <asac> do you still have <IP_ADDRESS> in cache?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> no
[10:27] <gnomefreak> dont know how to do it in mplayer
[10:27] <gnomefreak> but let me test epiphany-browser first :)
[10:27] <gnomefreak> about 10 minutes ill be ready to test
[10:27] <gnomefreak> maybe download the movie and open it in mplayer?
[10:27] <asac> mplayer: install mozilla-mplayer
[10:28] <asac> + uninstall totem
[10:28] <asac> then it should work
[10:28] <gnomefreak> oh
[10:28] <asac> no
[10:28] <asac> it should work embedded
[10:28] <asac> for us it just matters if it works embedded
[10:28] <gnomefreak> ok ill try in a bit.
[10:29] <gnomefreak> see what bothers me is its calling the plugin to play it but plugin is failing (read teh output when ran from term.
[10:30] <gnomefreak> make that like 20mintues i stopped it to add -extentions package
[10:31] <asac> ok
[10:31] <asac> mplayer works fine
[10:31] <asac> thats good
[10:31] <asac> at least plugins are not completely broken
[10:31] <asac> but totem plugin is
[10:31] <asac> and thats really bad
[10:31] <asac> its default ... please verify that mplayer works anyway :)
[10:31] <asac> we have to be extra sure
[10:31] <asac> otherwise we hunt down the wrong track
[10:34] <gnomefreak> did you try trunk build?
[10:34] <asac> no why?
[10:34] <asac> its not that important
[10:34] <gnomefreak> if it doesnt work in trunk its a good chance its plugin issue
[10:34] <asac> hmm
[10:35] <asac> it definitly is
[10:35] <gnomefreak> it has to be plugin
[10:35] <gnomefreak> firefox has nothing to do with embedded video
[10:35] <gnomefreak> dirctly
[10:36] <gnomefreak> testing epiphany
[10:36] <gnomefreak> thats a bug :(
[10:36] <asac> why has firefox nothing to do with embedded video?
[10:36] <asac> firefox provides everything around the window of totem
[10:37] <asac> so both can contribute to failure
[10:37] <asac> so you don't have ffox <IP_ADDRESS> somewhere around?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> only in edgy chroot
[10:38] <gnomefreak> im gonna try to get it for feisty chroot when i get a chance to set it up right
[10:39] <asac> ok
[10:39] <asac> 2007-03-27  Published  feisty   Release  main  gnome  2.18.0-0ubuntu2
[10:39] <asac> so yesterday both were updated
[10:39] <asac> e.g. firefox + totem
[10:39] <asac> so it might be indeed a totem regression
[10:39] <gnomefreak> ah yes i think totem was
[10:39] <asac> however 2.18
[10:40] <asac> was already in archive before
[10:40] <gnomefreak> epiphany seems to be failing
[10:40] <gnomefreak> correct
[10:40] <gnomefreak> but a patch that was added could have caused this fault
[10:40] <asac> so it is likely due to ubuntu maintainers ... if its totem fault at all
[10:41] <asac>  80_from_svn_fix_codec_installation_when_subtitles_are_used.dpatch:
[10:41] <asac>     - fix codec installation when subtitles are used (Ubuntu: #89302)
[10:41] <asac> ok
[10:41] <gnomefreak> epiphany home page is a kubuntu one :(
[10:41] <asac> i will try to disable that patch and see
[10:41] <gnomefreak> when was that patch added?
[10:42] <asac> yesterday
[10:42] <asac> thats the only change they did
[10:42] <asac> so if it still fails after removing then we are to blame
[10:43] <asac> sad thing i cannot even say if it works or not
[10:43] <asac> it never worked for feisty for me
[10:43] <asac> but lets see
[10:43] <asac> now i have /dev mounted as well
[10:43] <asac> and mplayer works in chroot
[10:43] <asac> so probably it will
[10:44] <asac> does totem-gstreamer fail for you the same?
[10:44] <gnomefreak> never used it
[10:44] <gnomefreak> would need w32codecs most likely
[10:44] <asac> you reproduced crashes
[10:44] <asac> didn't you?
[10:44] <asac> so it worked at some point
[10:44] <gnomefreak> yeah
[10:44] <asac> you know when ?
[10:44] <gnomefreak> dont know it crashed
[10:45] <gnomefreak> theme changes you dont need it to really play just attempt to load
[10:45] <gnomefreak> the apple ads worked sort of
[10:45] <gnomefreak> unless they are that short to start with
[10:53] <gnomefreak> on wtf :(
[10:56] <gnomefreak> asac: if you get a minute open file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-%l.html in a browser in feisty and tell me what the page looks like. is it welcome to kubuntu
[11:04] <gnomefreak> s/on/oh
[11:09] <asac> what is %l ?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> dont know
[11:09] <asac> what do you have there?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> is there a less cryptic way we can do this? the running apport on local end that hjmf wrote up?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> welcome to kubuntu
[11:10] <asac> you have to replace %l with your language of choice
[11:11] <gnomefreak> it open english just fine but the kubuntu home page inside ubuntu-artwork or even on a gnome browser is kind of ass backwards
[11:28] <asac> gnomefreak: can you do me one last favor and see if totem-gstreamer doesn't work for you at all?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> ok what gstreamer packages do i need and do you want to test with w32codecs installed?
[11:30] <asac> you won't need to
[11:30] <asac> playing mpg would be good enough to begin with
[11:30] <asac> totem-gstreamer
[11:30] <gnomefreak> looking at restricted link
[11:30] <asac> instead of totem-xine
[11:32] <gnomefreak> The best support for MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 (for example, encoded with DivX, XviD or FFmpeg MPEG-4), QuickTime and other proprietary or non-free media formats is currently provided by Totem-xine, Kaffeine, gxine, and MPlayer.
[11:32] <gnomefreak> give me a few minutes i have gstreamer installing
[11:32] <asac> anyway
[11:32] <asac> cool
[11:33] <gnomefreak> it built :)
[11:36] <gnomefreak> its playing fine
[11:36] <gnomefreak> http://digital-desert.com/mpg-videos/p827v.mpg
[11:36] <asac> really?
[11:36] <asac> aha
[11:36] <asac> good
[11:36] <asac> and how about ... apple ads?
[11:36] <asac> guess you need w32codecs
[11:37] <gnomefreak> give me a while that package is huge
[11:38] <gnomefreak> 14M
[11:38] <gnomefreak> about 40minutes
[11:39] <asac> where is w32codecs?
[11:39] <asac> i cannot find :)
[11:42] <gnomefreak> wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb
[11:43] <gnomefreak> i might have the deb on my site but i cant remember
[11:43] <asac> thx
[11:43] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:43] <gnomefreak> 6.5kbps :(
[11:44] <asac> ha :)
[11:44] <asac> not suitable for amd64
[11:44] <asac> as usual
[11:44] <gnomefreak> correct
[11:44] <gnomefreak> but wait
[11:44] <gnomefreak> i might have something for you
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Users of x86 or x86_64, systems may also install some  additional Windows codecs that are available in the third-party repository of [WWW]  Medibuntu.
[11:44] <gnomefreak> let me get the medibuntu link
[11:44] <asac> oh no :)
[11:45] <gnomefreak> see http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository.php
[12:11] <gnomefreak> ok what apple vids did you want to test
[12:14] <gnomefreak> not looking like it will play it
[12:14] <gnomefreak> with w32codecs
[12:17] <gnomefreak> no it doesnt seem to play but i need gstreamer packages.
[12:23] <asac> ok its official
[12:23] <asac> totem-xine is broken
[12:23] <asac> upstream
[12:23] <gnomefreak> i get sound no video :(
[12:24] <asac> in what?
[12:24] <asac> gstreamer?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> on apple ads
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yeah
[12:24] <asac> ok fine
[12:24] <asac> can you still crash?
[12:24] <asac> :)
[12:24] <asac> theme switch
[12:24] <asac> ?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> i installed all needed gstreamer plugins too
[12:24] <gnomefreak> oh hell i dont know
[12:24] <asac> e.g. listen to speech
[12:24] <gnomefreak> i totally forgot the testcase on that but lets see what i can do
[12:24] <asac> switch  clip
[12:24] <asac> listen again
[12:24] <asac> then switch theme
[12:25] <gnomefreak> yay i got video :(
[12:25] <gnomefreak> no crash it seems
[12:26] <gnomefreak> i did it 2 times and no crash


[06:08] <ScottSanbar> Please see the following forum post to see if you can help me:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11292304#post11292304
[06:15] <maxb> Making people work to see if they can help you tends to result in them not helping - a far more effective way to ask for help is to give a one-line summary of your issue directly on IRC
[15:55] <deryck> oh, adeuring, I should have been irc up to now and missed it due to calls.  sorry. :(
[15:55] <adeuring> deryck: no problem :)
[15:55] <deryck> it's been quiet at least.
[15:56] <deryck> abentley, is due up in 5.  I can do some time later after him to make up for it. :)
[16:03] <abentley> adeuring: I relieve you.
[16:03] <adeuring> abentley: thanks
[17:24] <hyper_ch> where in launchpad can you start filing a new bug?
[17:25] <hyper_ch> also, when logged into my account, it doesn't show all bugs I've commented on either
[17:27] <charlie-tca> hyper_ch: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_at_Launchpad.net explains it nicely
[17:27] <hyper_ch> charlie-tca: been there, clicked on the link, nothing worked
[17:28] <hyper_ch> charlie-tca: but then, tell me where on the launchpad site I can start filing a new bug
[17:28] <hyper_ch> charlie-tca: it shouldn't be hard to find, right?
[17:29] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect doesn't open to "Report a bug" for you?
[17:29] <hyper_ch> charlie-tca: it does now but the link from the ubuntu wiki before didn't
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Oh, okay
[17:30] <hyper_ch> charlie-tca: can you tell me, fromt he launchpad main site or your account page, how do you find a link to that one?
[17:30] <charlie-tca> sometimes it gets ornery
[17:30] <charlie-tca> I linked it from the first url I gave you
[17:30] <charlie-tca> I don't believe there is a link anywhere else.
[17:31] <hyper_ch> [19:30] <charlie-tca> I don't believe there is a link anywhere else.  -->  isn't that a bit stupid? why should I first go into the ubuntu wiki to find the url for filing a bug on launchpad?
[17:31] <charlie-tca> hyper_ch: the other page I use is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ , which has "Report a Bug" at the top right
[17:32] <charlie-tca> Mostly we send you to the wiki because it makes us ask a lot less questions and requests for logs and such to complete the report
[17:32] <hyper_ch> ubuntu one has
[17:32] <hyper_ch> but bugs.launchpad.net hasn't
[17:32] <hyper_ch> and the other question still remains: why isn't it showing all bugs I have commented on despite having selected that option?
[17:33] <charlie-tca> When you file the bug, if it doesn't have everything needed, it takes much longer to get all the information before anyone can start working on it.
[17:33] <charlie-tca> hyper_ch: I can't answer the second question. I don't know why it isn't all the bugs for you.
[17:35] <hyper_ch> ok
[17:39] <hyper_ch> so, bug report filed
[17:42] <hyper_ch> also, why is the "your account" page where you can hcange password different then viewed at in the source code of the browser?
[17:45] <hyper_ch> and why do I get all the time "
[17:45] <hyper_ch> Your page was stale.
[17:45] <hyper_ch> Apologies, the page you came from was a little old. Perhaps you navigated here from a browser window other than the one you used to login. If so, try using the other browser window. Or, try your action again, starting from our home page.
[20:06] <deryck> abentley, I can watch IRC the last of my day.
[21:39] <gustonegro> hi there.  it seems like every time I try to use the launchpad website, I can never find what I need.  I love the idea of the service and would like to improve it.  are you guys willing to hear some constructive criticism?
[22:10] <lifeless> gustonegro: totally!
[22:11] <lifeless> gustonegro: there is a mailing list - thats the best place to give feedback - https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users
[22:19] <gustonegro> okay, will try to formulate something


[09:18] <mup> PR snapd#12764 closed: tests: fix postrm-purge test on systems with sytemd v253 <⚠ Critical> <Test Robustness> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12764>
[09:53] <mup> PR snapd#12775 closed: gadget: warn instead of returning error if overlapping with GPT header <cherry-picked> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12775>
[09:58] <mup> PR snapd#12460 closed: [0/X] Integrity data for snaps: dm-verity data generation <Skip spread> <Created by sespiros> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12460>
[10:19] <mup> PR snapd#12750 closed: o/snapstate: fix race condition in test <Test Robustness> <Skip spread> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12750>
[12:19] <mup> PR snapd#12783 closed: gadget: warn instead of returning error if overlapping with GPT header <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12783>
[12:59] <mup> PR snapd#12788 opened: data/selinux: add missing rule to fix selinux-clean spread tests <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12788>
[13:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#4117 closed: kernel plugin: call deb rules clean <Created by kubiko> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4117>
[14:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#4121 opened: Sgmoore/kde neon pack update <Created by ScarlettGatelyMoore> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4121>


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[08:20] <bdmurray> sil2100: I'd like to have a speedy release of ubuntu-release-upgrader fixing bug 1968607. Agreed?
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[08:41] <bdmurray> For the record sil2100 and I discussed this in person and he agreed with an early release of it
[08:51] <sil2100> +1
[08:53] <sil2100> Ok everyone, we will be respinning 22.04 images shortly
[08:53] <sil2100> No real changes, but it seems the previous RCs were spun a bit too early and now they're out-of-sync with the jammy archive (re: vim and u-r-u)
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[10:19] <cjwatson> vorlon: perhaps laney's removal raced with a proposed-migration run already in progress.  That would be consistent with the LP UI, since it *does* show the -proposed source being deleted, it just only shows the deletion message resulting from the copy-and-delete step (which I hypothesize was effectively a second deletion)
[10:19] <cjwatson> I haven't checked the DB, but that would make a certain amount of sense
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[10:26] <laney> that would make sense to me
[10:26] <laney> except I think the block-proposed tags are read before the britney run starts
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[10:27] <laney> so I'm not sure why it would have seen that I had closed it
[10:27] <laney> would need to double check the code :-)
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[10:53] <cjwatson> laney: they are, but doesn't it work off published Packages/Sources files rather than directly from LP publication records?
[10:53] <cjwatson> laney: so the bug might be seen as closed even though Sources files are still from prior to the deletion
[10:53] <cjwatson> distributed systems are hard
[11:12] <laney> yeah we ask the API for the tags but the published archive for what packages exist, so there's a window of inconsistency there
[11:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity riscv64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[11:14] <jbicha> I need to remember to file 2 bugs next time 😢
[12:44] <coreycb> jamespage: thoughts on removing vmware-nsx from the archive? see vorlon's msg above.
[12:46] <jamespage> coreycb: no objections from me
[12:47] <jamespage> coreycb: although I see we have been pushing snapshots...
[12:47] <jamespage> oh I see its a r-dep
[12:54] <coreycb> jamespage: yes it depends on neutron-fwaas which is really out of date and abandoned at this point
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base riscv64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ignition-gazebo (jammy-proposed/primary) [6.4.0+ds-0ubuntu1]
[13:13] <coreycb> vorlon: I've updated the bug to ask for removal of vmware-nsx as well
[13:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server arm64+raspi [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[13:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server armhf+raspi [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[13:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server riscv64+unmatched [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419)
[14:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu WSL [Jammy Final]<PHONE_NUMBER>) has been added
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ignition-gazebo [source] (jammy-proposed) [6.4.0+ds-0ubuntu1]
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity amd64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419.1)
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity arm64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419.1)
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity ppc64el [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419.1)
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity riscv64 [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419.1)
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity s390x [Jammy Final] has been updated (20220419.1)
[15:13] <vorlon> seb128: desktop images are still oversized vs the stated limit for both focal and jammy; do you have a different limit you want to set?
[15:13] <vorlon> Wimpy: size limit hasn't been updated yet for ubuntu-mate - do you want to just tell me what size you want and I can land the change?
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ignition-gazebo [amd64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [6.4.0+ds-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:17] <seb128> vorlon, when Brian asked about it a few weeks ago we replied that bumping to 3.6G seemed reasonable, could you edit it to that value if that wasn't done yet?
[15:17] <vorlon> seb128: ok. same for both focal and jammy?
[15:17] <seb128> yes
[15:18] <rbasak> vorlon: lucasmoura asked me to do a 0-day SRU review for ubuntu-advantage-tools. How does this work for an SRU team member? I have no queue control for Jammy I don't think, and won't expect to have that on day 0. And presumably we're skipping the paperwork and verification process anyway? Or are you expecting normal SRU paperwork?
[15:19] <vorlon> rbasak: normal SRU paperwork
[15:19] <bdmurray> normal SRU paperwork
[15:19] <bdmurray> ubuntu-sru may have permission on day 0 but you could let a release team member know if its critical to get out on day zero
[15:20] <rbasak> OK thanks
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ignition-gazebo [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [6.4.0+ds-0ubuntu1]
[15:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ignition-gazebo [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed/universe) [6.4.0+ds-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[15:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: rshell (jammy-proposed/primary) [0.0.31-0ubuntu1]
[15:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ignition-gazebo [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [6.4.0+ds-0ubuntu1]
[15:38] <vorlon> waveform, jawn-smith: I'm not happy with taking 'rshell' as a package name for an Ubuntu-specific package; this is a dangerous bit of namespace homesteading
[15:38] <jawn-smith> I was actually wondering about the name tbh
[15:39] <jawn-smith> Though I don't think this is Ubuntu-specific. waveform has proposed the package to Debian as well
[15:41] <vorlon> yes but if we accept it in NEW here that's an Ubuntu-specific accept
[15:41] <vorlon> if it were accepted in Debian first, then no problem
[15:41] <vorlon> but if Debian rejects the name and we accept it, we get a migration problem
[15:41] <waveform> yes, it's horribly reminiscent of good ol' rsh -- unfortunately, that is what the upstream's been called for some years now
[15:42] <vorlon> yes, but the binary package could have a longer, clarifying name
[15:43] <vorlon> (and source package)
[15:43] <vorlon> the python module name is fine
[15:44] <waveform> pyboard-rshell? (it was originally intended for use with the "pyboard", a microcontroller specifically built around running micropython, although it now works with many more, including the pico)
[15:45] <vorlon> that would work for me
[15:45] <waveform> would you want just the source package name changed, or the /usr/bin binary too?
[15:46] <waveform> erm, I mean source+bin packages in addition to the /usr/bin binary
[15:46] <vorlon> waveform: just the package name, because that's Debian namespace; shipping the program under the name that all the documentation on the wider Internet references is reasonable
[15:46] <waveform> okay, sounds good
[15:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected rshell [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.0.31-0ubuntu1]
[15:48] <sil2100> jchittum: heeeey, how's the 22.04 release looking from the CPC POV? Any blockers?
[15:48] <jchittum> we're looking green
[15:58] <jchittum> sil2100: do you believe it to be safe to run preparatory builds tomorrow? we lack the staging ability of ISOs, but we can prep a daily "download" (the stuff on cloud-images.ubuntu.com) and be ready to build release images for all the other clouds
[15:59] <sil2100> jchittum: yeah, so far I think yes
[16:00] <sil2100> But I still want to wait for more testing feedback
[16:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ignition-launch (jammy-proposed/primary) [5.0.0+ds-0ubuntu1]
[16:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: text-engine (jammy-proposed/primary) [0.1.1-0ubuntu1]
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ignition-launch [source] (jammy-proposed) [5.0.0+ds-0ubuntu1]
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ignition-launch [amd64] (jammy-proposed/none) [5.0.0+ds-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ignition-launch [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed/none) [5.0.0+ds-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ignition-launch [armhf] (jammy-proposed/none) [5.0.0+ds-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ignition-launch [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [5.0.0+ds-0ubuntu1]
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ignition-launch [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [5.0.0+ds-0ubuntu1]
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ignition-launch [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [5.0.0+ds-0ubuntu1]
[16:42] <Wimpy> vorlon: 3.5GB should be suitable. Thanks for the offer.
[16:44] <vorlon> Wimpy: ah, that's quite a jump from 2.8?  can do though
[16:45] <Wimpy> Just trying to pick something that won't flap.
[16:45] <vorlon> ack
[16:46] <vorlon> Wimpy: now, ubuntu-mate on focal is actually at 3.8GB today...
[16:46] <Wimpy> Ahhh, because it has the NVIDIA drivers and Jammy does not.
[16:46] <Wimpy> So, perhaps 4.0GB then?
[16:46] <vorlon> Wimpy: do you want it at 4GB for both series?
[16:46] <Wimpy> Yeah, seems reasonable.
[16:46] <vorlon> ok
[16:50] <vorlon> Wimpy: pushed
[16:52] <Wimpy> Thanks!
[17:52] <jawn-smith> vorlon: pyboard-rshell uploaded
[17:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: pyboard-rshell (jammy-proposed/primary) [0.0.31-0ubuntu1]
[18:34] <ahasenack> has anybody tried the minimal install, without updates? I just did it in a vm and can't get the graphical login to work, I just get a blank screen
[18:34] <ahasenack> I wasn't looking for this type of test when I started, so I'm about to retry, more carefully with my selections
[18:35] <dbungert> ahasenack: given the mention of graphical login, is this the desktop iso?
[18:36] <jbicha> ahasenack: what vm are you using?
[18:37] <ahasenack> dbungert: yes
[18:37] <ahasenack> jbicha: kvm on jammy itself, via libvirt
[18:37] <ahasenack> I just switched to xorg, and there the login worked
[18:37] <jbicha> that's what I was about to suggest :(
[18:37] <ahasenack> the display is spice
[18:38] <ahasenack> I logged in on the console while the graphical display was dark, and wayland was running, as were a bunch of desktopy things
[18:39] <ahasenack> where is the wayland log?
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: network-manager-sstp (jammy-proposed/primary) [1.3.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:45] <rbasak> ^ this essentiall the same as what is in Debian NEW, but unfortunately therefore needs a full review.
[19:21] <jbicha> ahasenack: I see that issue too. It works for me if enable 3D Acceleration (not enabled by default)
[19:21] <jbicha> but then there's also this really annoying issue (you have to toggle 3d accel): https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-boxes/-/issues/759#note_1386057
[19:21] <ahasenack> huh
[19:22] <ahasenack> so wayland needs 3d accel?
[19:33] <jbicha> ahasenack: on your jammy host computer, edit /usr/share/osinfo/os/ubuntu.com/ubuntu-18.04.xml to remove the devices section. maybe reboot? then recreate your jammy guest
[19:34] <ahasenack> why 18.04?
[19:34] <jbicha> that worked for me with Boxes (I just needed to close Boxes, not reboot). That disables the 3D Acceleration feature (uses virgl)
[19:34] <ahasenack> are those the templates for virt-manager?
[19:35] <jbicha> it's osinfo-db and I think virt-manager uses it. GNOME Boxes definitely does
[19:36] <jbicha> it's 18.04 because I tested and thought things worked starting from 18.04 but clearly there are still bugs. Later releases derive from 18.04.
[19:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-control-center (focal-proposed/main) [1:3.36.5-0ubuntu3 => 1:3.36.5-0ubuntu4] (ubuntu-desktop)
[20:29] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: you've seen that jansson got stuck?
[20:31] <ahasenack> jbicha: ok, I removed devices from that file, will reinstall in a few, I have to run an errand
[21:08] <ahasenack> back
[21:26] <ahasenack> jbicha: the suggestion worked, I just added a comment to the bug
[21:42] <ahasenack> tcp scan, all ports (1-65535) finished, nothing was open in the live env
[21:43] <ahasenack> maybe if "try ubuntu" is selected instead of "install ubuntu"?
[21:43]  * ahasenack tries that
[21:48] <ahasenack> I see nothing in the live env either, when selecting "try ubuntu"
[21:49] <ahasenack> not sure if there is a build id somewhere in /etc
[21:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: osinfo-db (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.20220214-1ubuntu1 => 0.20220214-1ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[21:51] <ahasenack> I do see "remote desktop" set to "on" in the "sharing" tab of settings...
[21:51] <ahasenack> in the live env
[21:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted osinfo-db [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.20220214-1ubuntu2]
[21:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: freeipmi (focal-backports/main) [1.6.4-3ubuntu1.1 => 1.6.9-2~bpo20.04.1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[23:19] <jbicha> please unblock osinfo-db to fix the black screen bug mentioned earlier


[12:41] <DammitJim> good morning
[12:41] <DammitJim> can you guys suggest me a good mirror for this problem:
[12:42] <DammitJim> Err http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/multiverse Sources
[12:42] <DammitJim>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[12:55] <mhall119> nope, have you tried asking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel?
[12:55] <mhall119> DammitJim: ^^
[13:06] <DammitJim> #ubuntu didn't have an answer for me
[13:06] <DammitJim> but I'll ask again... that was yesterday
[13:06] <DammitJim> thanks mhall119
[13:06] <DammitJim> how are things btw?
[13:12] <mhall119> DammitJim: busy busy, you'd think I'd get a break after an LTS release, but nope
[13:15] <DammitJim> hee hee
[18:15] <Bryanstein> mhall119, you alive?
[18:29] <mhall119> hey Bryanstein!
[18:29] <mhall119> what's going on?
[18:30] <Bryanstein> Nothing much buddy...just trying to get Fossetcon going!
[18:30] <Bryanstein> I'd like you to submit a talk...our cfp is open!
[18:31] <mhall119> Fossetcon? tell me more
[18:31] <Bryanstein> Fossetcon is the Free and Open Source Software Expo and Technology Conference
[18:31] <Bryanstein> It happening in Orlando, FL Sept 11-13th... 3 days free food, over 10,000sq ft expo hall
[18:32] <mhall119> oh yes! Finally another Florida convention!
[18:32] <Bryanstein> Speaker tracks and keynotes!
[18:32] <Bryanstein> http://fossetcon.org
[18:32] <mhall119> yeah man, I'll submit a talk, probably will be about Ubuntu App Development
[18:32] <Bryanstein> Ok...I can email you a link to the cfp...pm me your addy
[18:32] <mhall119><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:33] <mhall119> no need for PM, it's already all over the internet
[18:34] <Bryanstein> lol...how is the family?
[18:34] <mhall119> doing good
[18:34] <mhall119> are ticket sales closed already, or have they not opened yet?
[18:35] <Bryanstein> mhall119, not open yet but I'll have that up soon
[18:35] <mhall119> Bryanstein: also, do you happen to know what the different sponsor levels cost?
[18:36] <Bryanstein> mhall119, of course I know...we have a full prospectus that I can send you!
[18:36] <Bryanstein> mhall119, mind you...this event has food so our sponsorship levels are a bit higher than your usual, booth in the hallway conference
[18:36] <mhall119> Bryanstein: please do, I'll forward it on to my Canonical overlords
[18:37] <Bryanstein> mhall119, sure thing...Day 0(thursday) is just for workshops and tutorials so there is room for an Ubuntu specific hands on workshop on Day 0
[18:41] <mhall119> that sounds good
[18:42] <Bryanstein> The later two days are when the exhibit hall and the rest of the jazz happens, but breakfast and lunch are planned for Day 0
[18:44] <Bryanstein> You should have the prospectus now is mhall119
[18:44] <mhall119> thanks Bryanstein
[18:44] <Bryanstein> sure thing mhall119 thank you!
[18:45] <mhall119> Bryanstein: you should email the florida team too, in case anybody wants to attend
[18:45] <mhall119><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:47] <mhall119> Bryanstein: since this is the first event I may be asking for too much, but how many attendees do you expect to have?
[18:47] <Bryanstein> 600 +
[18:47] <Bryanstein> That's in the prospectus also on page 2 :oP
[18:48] <Bryanstein> mhall119, I actually did email the list a few times...evidently I'm being moderated
[18:49] <mhall119> Bryanstein: no prospectus attached in that second email
[18:50] <Bryanstein> mhall119, resending
[18:50] <mhall119> itnet7 is the list moderator,I'll email him about getting yours through
[19:01] <mhall119> Bryanstein: have you contacted the PenPod folks?
[19:01] <mhall119> PengPod
[19:02] <mhall119> they're based in Orlando
[19:02] <mhall119> http://www.pengpod.com/
[19:04] <Bryanstein> mhall119, oh yes...so hahaha I was at OSCON umm last year and I talked with the guy
[19:04]  * mhall119 wishes he got to go to OSCON
[19:04] <Bryanstein> We were supposed to be meeting up  but he didn't make it...I don't know why the name Malcolm pops up in my head
[19:04] <Bryanstein> I actually played with one last year
[19:05] <Bryanstein> I have his cell too hmmm... mhall119 you reminded me that I need to check in with him again
[19:06] <Bryanstein> mhall119, if there is anyone else that comes across you mind...please do put me on notice...we need to get more sponsors onboard...our exhibit hall will hold approx 50 exhibitors
[19:09] <mhall119> you can try ZaReason and System76, the sponsort at a lot of FLOSS events
[19:10] <mhall119> rackspace too
[19:10] <mhall119> atlantic.net sponsored shirts years ago, I think itnet7 arranged that
[19:10] <Bryanstein> Yes I have the rackspace contact...been trying to work that one since err Feb :oP
[19:11] <Bryanstein> Atlantic.net...no that we me
[19:11] <Bryanstein> s/we/was
[19:11] <mhall119> probably anything cloud-related is worth a shot, that's big business anymore
[19:11] <Bryanstein> I contacted Adnan Raja and he said no budget for conferences this year :o(
[19:11] <mhall119> who's your rackspace contact?
[19:12] <Bryanstein> Dee Rosales
[19:12] <mhall119> I know someone in MongoDB too, might be worth an ask
[19:12] <mhall119> I know a rackspace engineer, not sure how much he could help with a sponsorship request though
[19:12] <Bryanstein> Dee is the Marketing events manager
[19:12] <Bryanstein> But...the engineer can definitely submit a talk!
[19:13] <mhall119> ah, better contact than I have
[19:13] <mhall119> I'll let him know about hte CFP
[19:13] <Bryanstein> Cool...forward him that link please...we need speakers...roughly 60 of them :oP
[19:14] <Bryanstein> Michelle still doing FOSS stuff?
[19:14] <mhall119> no, we closed the charity project years ago, and Qimo hasn't gotten a lot of attention either
[19:16] <mhall119> Bryanstein: also posted it to https://www.facebook.com/ubuntuflorida
[19:17] <mhall119> also on https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/116790741559809422077
[19:18] <Bryanstein> Thanks mhall119
[19:18] <Bryanstein> so I have a facebook question...because I'm horrible with fb and I was trying to make a group but the stupid profile name interferes.
[19:18] <Bryanstein> I'm wondering if I change that fb page link name...if I can then create the group with the old name
[19:18] <Bryanstein> hmmm maybe I should just make a couple bogus accounts and try it
[19:18]  * Bryanstein would rather have the group than the page
[19:21] <mhall119> Bryanstein: I can't help you with FB, sorry, I just use the pages that are already there :)
[19:22] <Bryanstein> lol hahaha man...fb instagram wordpress tumblr twitter pinterest blah and blah....it's too much
[19:23] <mhall119> don't forget Google+ :)
[19:24] <Bryanstein> oh yea pfff...oh and don't forget diaspora status.net/identica/pump.io
[19:25] <mhall119> I'm going to forget those :)
[19:25] <mhall119> also the Ubuntu LoCo Teams Portal: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/2811-fossetcon/
[19:25] <Bryanstein> https://pod.fossetcon.org/u/fossetcon
[19:26] <mhall119> for now I set the Registration link to the fossetcon ticket's page, let me know if that should change when tickets go on sale
[19:26] <Bryanstein> Yes sir...man that was fast
[19:27] <Bryanstein> I tried to get RMS and Eben Moglen to keynote mhall119 they both have scheduling conflicts
[19:29] <mhall119> Bryanstein: are you on Google+?
[19:33] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MichaelHall119/posts/27P88KLpUxi
[19:36] <Bryanstein> mhall119, yes and there should be an event g+ which doesn't get much love...let me find the link
[19:36] <Bryanstein> http://lanyrd.com/2014/fossetcon/
[19:36] <Bryanstein> well that is just lanyard...but I thought I posted it on there...hmmm
[19:41] <Bryanstein> I added you to my ominous circle of doom
[19:43] <Bryanstein> Hmm so I'll make a  google plus community also...evidently lol
[21:33] <jmarrero> mhall119: the fossetcon.org is organized by yourself?
[21:36] <jmarrero> Having the susecon and fossetcon there, I imagine there a good userbase on FL.
[21:36] <mhall119> jmarrero: no, it's organized by Bryanstein
[21:36] <mhall119> I don't know if susecon is always in Florida, or if it moves around
[21:37] <jmarrero> mhall119: Got no idea either but think last year was in FL too.
[21:37] <mhall119> I think so, yeah
[21:37] <mhall119> I remember Lunduke inviting me to it, but I was too busy to take those days off
[21:38] <jmarrero> mhall119: I stayed in lakeland like two years ago, loved it there, but din't get to be on my own.
[21:38] <jmarrero> I was working there for 3 days.
[21:38] <mhall119> jmarrero: oh nice, I live in lakeland
[21:41] <jmarrero> That is very beautiful place, there is a place near called Bartow very nice too
[21:41] <jmarrero> Bartow* I think It was called like that maybe I am misspelling
[21:42] <jmarrero> mhall119: thank you for the info, I will hand around in the channel from now on.
[21:43] <jmarrero> I am finishing my Masters degree and as soon I finish I am off to work in FL. So I am looking forward to that.
[21:43] <mhall119> yeah, Bartow
[21:43] <jmarrero> I am from Puerto Rico.
[21:43] <mhall119> jmarrero: we'll have to have another meetup then, we just had one a couple weeks ago
[21:44] <jmarrero> Keep me informed :)
[21:45] <mhall119> will do
[21:46]  * jmarrero goes back to work


[14:30] <Kangarooo> Hello! I think while installing to install over full disk, it was showing to put bootloader in sda a usd install disk. Now starting it shows no operating system, but when wanted to reinstall then it boots into system without option to install and remembering wifi password i used for installing.
[14:31] <Kangarooo> should i now remake install usb?
[14:31] <Kangarooo> and report bug?


[00:30] <wxl> hey folks, kubuntu is ready to upload frameworks 5.28 and plasma 5.8.4 should be done shortly. we had suggested this earlier but it took us a little extra time. anyone want to be a sponsor?


[06:41] <glavkos> hello
[06:52] <glavkos> hi
[06:52] <glavkos> again
[06:52] <glavkos> I have problems with the referer thing ...
[06:52] <glavkos> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/1024
[06:52] <glavkos> this one
[06:52] <glavkos> can anybody give me a hand of help ?
[06:53] <glavkos> I tried also the suggested add on
[06:53] <glavkos> on Firefox
[06:53] <glavkos> but didn't work ...
[09:45] <Masklinn> Is there any way to set up rosetta on a branch owned by a public team? ping czajkowski
[09:47] <czajkowski> Masklinn: not sure let me see
[09:47] <wgrant> Masklinn: What do you mean be a public team?
[09:48] <czajkowski> wgrant: morning I just asked jtv next door :)
[09:55] <Masklinn> wgrant: I mean an open team sorry
[09:56] <wgrant> Masklinn: Rosetta imports or exports?
[09:56] <Masklinn> both ideally, but at least exports
[09:56] <wgrant> Why?
[09:57] <wgrant> Open teams are not supported in many contexts, because they're usually not what you want :)
[09:57] <wgrant> If you export to a branch owned by a open team then anyone can come along and erase your translations or replace them with anything at all.
[09:58] <wgrant> What's your use case?
[10:00] <Masklinn> our documentation is under an open team so users can easily contribute small fixes without the overhead of having to be accepted into a team
[10:04] <wgrant> Masklinn: And you can't set an open team as an export branch?
[10:05] <wgrant> I'd expect that restriction for an import branch, but AFAIK it should work for exports
[10:05] <Masklinn> export branches require a focus branch, and focus branches can't be set on branches owned by open teams
[10:05] <wgrant> Import branches require a series branch
[10:06] <wgrant> Exports shouldn't
[10:06] <Masklinn> mmm
[10:08] <Masklinn> wgrant: ah indeed we'd missed that, sorry (though the one-time import doesn't seem to work either without a series branch, so apparently we have to do a manual import correct?)
[10:09] <wgrant> Masklinn: If you don't have a secure branch, then you'll have to use a tarball import, yes.
[10:09] <wgrant> We extremely strongly discourage open teams owning branches.
[10:09] <Masklinn> wgrant ah but this means rosetta won't automatically import pots right?
[10:10] <wgrant> Correct.
[10:11] <Masklinn> and who has access to the manual translation upload screen?
[10:11] <Masklinn> project owners or branch owners?
[10:11] <wgrant> I believe that is the project owner and possibly driver
[10:12] <Masklinn> ok
[10:12] <wgrant> Not branch owners.
[10:12] <wgrant> A branch owner has control over just that branch.
[10:14] <Masklinn> ok, thanks
[10:42] <sld> Does anyone happen to know where I can find some good API use examples?   ...I can connect and list bugs, but can't - for example - find a way to create a bug for a specific project... maybe I am reading the docs wrong, but it looks like it is a several step process... not sure...
[10:45] <wgrant> sld: If you're using launchpadlib, use lp.bugs.createBug(target=some_project, title='Foo', description='Bar')
[10:59] <sld> oooo that sounds perfect... thanks
[11:00] <sld> another tiny quick question?  ...sorry, i sound stupid for asking this, but... what do i need to give the call to login_with, to have everything be a test of some sort so that nothing is affected on the live site?  ..i am thinking the service_root differentiates it?
[11:04] <wgrant> sld: Right, the service root is what you want
[11:04] <sld> k, thought so. thx :)
[11:04] <wgrant> In modern launchpadlib you can say login_with('some app name', 'qastaging') to use qastaging.launchpad.net
[11:05] <wgrant> Which is running an old DB snapshjot
[11:05] <wgrant> And gets reset every so often
[11:05] <wgrant> It's the best place to test.
[11:06] <sld> k, thx.
[11:10] <Masklinn> wgrant: if I import a PO file with fuzzy translations, does the import just throw them out?
[11:11] <wgrant> Masklinn: Yes, Launchpad does not support fuzzy translations.
[11:12] <Masklinn> wgrant: damn. Since the "needs review" field/checkbox is named "fuzzy", I thought it'd just mark the strings as needing review
[11:12] <Masklinn> thanks
[22:40] <gaspa> hi, is it possible to have the past (i.e: expired) members of a team through launchpadlib?