[00:03] <fta> no
[00:03] <fta> BUGabundo, ^^ chromium is still in universe, so no magic effect of being pre installed like firefox
[00:04] <fta> people have to search for it, and most won't even know it exists
[01:27] <BUGabundo> nite guys
[05:29] <rbhatta> hi micahg
[05:29] <micahg> rbhatta: hi, so is this on a single screen or multiple?
[05:29] <rbhatta> single screen
[05:30] <micahg> rbhatta: it won't go to full screen?
[05:30] <micahg> which flash player?
[05:30] <rbhatta> Adobe v 10
[05:30] <micahg> which driver?
[05:30] <micahg> graphics I mean?
[05:31] <rbhatta> i think it is nvidia...not sure how can i check that
[05:31] <rbhatta> it was working in lucid
[05:31] <micahg> lshw -C video
[05:31] <rbhatta> thanks checking
[05:33] <rbhatta> it is *-display:0              description: VGA compatible controller  product: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller    vendor: Intel Corporation
[05:33] <micahg> rbhatta: that's the same chipset I have
[05:33] <micahg> could you describe in more detail the issue?
[05:34] <rbhatta> hmm does it work for u
[05:34] <micahg> yep
[05:34] <rbhatta> one more qs which ver of adobe u have
[05:34] <micahg> ii  flashplugin-installer                           <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1
[05:35] <rbhatta> excuse my not knowing.. how to check the version i have
[05:35] <rbhatta> i think i have the same version
[05:35] <micahg> dpkg -l | grep flashplugin-installer
[05:36] <rbhatta> i have exactly the same one
[05:36] <rbhatta> funny let me check the firefox exact version
[05:37] <rbhatta> ii  firefox                               3.6.10+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3                safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[05:37] <micahg> rbhatta: try starting with a new profile, firefox -ProfileManager
[05:38] <rbhatta> hmm trying
[05:40] <rbhatta> nope did not work.. still the same
[05:40] <rbhatta> it freezes showing me the screen i had shown at the moment i hit fullscreen button
[05:41] <micahg> rbhatta: was firefox closed first?
[05:42] <rbhatta> yup...
[05:42] <rbhatta> closed it created a new one and then tried
[05:42] <micahg> hmm
[05:42] <rbhatta> trying to change flash plugin to swfdec
[05:43] <rbhatta> will that help
[05:43] <micahg> rbhatta: nah
[05:43] <micahg> rbhatta: do you have any extensions installed?
[05:43] <rbhatta> a lot of them
[05:43] <rbhatta> let me see which ones
[05:44] <micahg> rbhatta: at the system level?
[05:44] <rbhatta> recently i installed chromification
[05:44] <micahg> right but that shouldn't be in a new profile
[05:44] <rbhatta> yup .. when i opened the new profile all of them are not there
[05:45] <micahg> is this a specific site?  does youtube work?
[05:45] <rbhatta> it is any flash based website including youtube
[05:45] <rbhatta> let me try with epiphany
[05:46] <rbhatta> we can see if it is OS level issue or firefox issue
[05:46] <micahg> can you pastebin about:support from the clean profile
[05:46] <micahg> rbhatta: ah, good point, do you have another browser installeD?
[05:46] <rbhatta> yeah epiphany
[05:46] <rbhatta> and it works in that
[05:47] <rbhatta> then it is a firefox issue...
[05:47] <micahg> uh, so it seems like it's a FF issue which is weird
[05:47] <rbhatta> ok let me paste it
[05:48] <rbhatta>   Application Basics
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Name
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Firefox
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Version
[05:48] <rbhatta>         3.6.10
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Profile Directory
[05:48] <rbhatta>           Open Containing Folder
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Installed Plugins
[05:48] <micahg> rbhatta: stop
[05:48] <rbhatta>           about:plugins
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Build Configuration
[05:48] <rbhatta>           about:buildconfig
[05:48] <micahg> !pastebin | rbhatta
[05:48] <rbhatta>   Extensions
[05:48] <ubot2> rbhatta: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Name
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Version
[05:48] <rbhatta>         Enabled
[05:48] <rbhatta>         ID
[05:48] <rbhatta>         IBM CCK
[05:48] <rbhatta>         2.0.4
[05:48] <rbhatta>         true
[05:48] <rbhatta><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:48] <rbhatta>         Bindwood
[05:48] <rbhatta>         1.0.4
[05:48] <rbhatta>         true
[05:48] <rbhatta><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:48] <rbhatta>         Ubuntu Firefox Modifications
[05:49] <rbhatta>         0.9rc2
[05:49] <rbhatta>         true
[05:49] <rbhatta><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:49] <rbhatta>   Modified Preferences
[05:49] <rbhatta>       Name
[05:49] <rbhatta>       Value
[05:49] <rbhatta>         browser.places.smartBookmarksVersion
[05:49] <rbhatta>         2
[05:49] <rbhatta>         browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone
[05:49] <rbhatta>         rv:<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:49] <rbhatta>         extensions.lastAppVersion
[05:49] <rbhatta>         3.6.10
[05:49] <rbhatta>         network.cookie.prefsMigrated
[05:49] <rbhatta>         true
[05:49] <rbhatta>         privacy.sanitize.migrateFx3Prefs
[05:49] <rbhatta>         true
[05:49] <rbhatta> sorry
[05:49] <micahg> rbhatta: please pastebin it
[05:50] <rbhatta> sorry
[05:50] <rbhatta> here it is
[05:50] <rbhatta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/505516/
[05:51] <micahg> rbhatta: what is that IBM extension?
[05:51] <rbhatta> that is the company extension
[05:51] <rbhatta> i work for IBM and this has been there always
[05:52] <micahg> rbhatta: would you get in trouble if you disabled it to test?
[05:52] <rbhatta> i can disable it for sure let me do that
[05:52] <micahg> that's the only thing that's not standard
[05:53] <rbhatta> disabled it but still :(
[05:53] <micahg> rbhatta: and restarted teh profile?
[05:53] <rbhatta> yup
[05:53]  * micahg is out of idea
[05:54] <micahg> *ideas
[05:54] <micahg> rbhatta: maybe check in #ubuntu+1 if anyone else has experienced it?
[05:54] <rbhatta> hmm i will try doing that too.. thanks for your help..
[05:55] <rbhatta> also thanks a lot for showing my way around finding information
[05:55] <micahg> rbhatta: np
[05:55] <micahg> rbhatta: feel free to drop in here with any platform related Mozilla questions
[05:55] <rbhatta> i will try installing a new firefox build from Mozilla website and check too...
[05:55] <rbhatta> sure....
[05:55] <micahg> rbhatta: BTW, #ubuntu-bugs is mainly for bug triage and help on how to submit
[05:55] <micahg> #ubuntu is the main support channel for other issues
[05:55] <rbhatta> yeah i recently joined the bug squad
[05:56] <micahg> rbhatta: ah, cool
[05:56] <rbhatta> i was going to open a bug...
[05:56] <rbhatta> thought may be others in the channel might have experienced this
[05:56] <rbhatta> so might save the trouble for many
[05:56] <rbhatta> thanks....
[05:56] <micahg> np
[08:18] <dpm> morning fta2, I've just caught part of the conversation in #launchpad, and I see that you've started importing the chromium translations. Cool!
[08:19] <fta2> dpm, yeah, needs some tweaking though
[08:19] <fta2> dpm, can people add new langs? or is that something i have to do, somehow ?
[08:20] <dpm> fta2, you don't need to do anything to add new languages. Launchpad will add a new language the minute someone translates into that language.
[08:22] <dpm> i.e. if there weren't any translation into French, and if you'd had French as your preferred language and were a French Launchpad translator, you'd be shown the empty template. When you'd submit the first translation, the French entry would be created in the database
[08:22] <fta2> dpm, ok, i asked because i have one pot without any po
[08:23] <dpm> yeah, people will be able to add their translations without trouble
[08:24] <micahg> fta2: the hardy uploads seem to be failiing for umd
[08:25] <fta2> micahg, missing?
[08:25] <micahg> actually, just one seems to be the issue, weird (xulrunner-1.9.1)
[08:26] <micahg> sftp into a black hole?
[08:27] <dpm> fta2, there is something else I wanted to mention. You've chosen "Launchpad Translators" as the translation group to take care of translations. I think it's the correct choice, but the only thing I wanted to mention is that the Launchpad Translators group is still growing, and it still got much fewer languages (26) than e.g. the Ubuntu Translators group (146). I expect the chromium translations to get much attention, so there might be languages fo
[08:27] <dpm> r which there is no language team in the Launchpad Translators group. In case someone asks you how to create a group, you can point them to https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+addquestion
[08:28] <dpm> or perhaps upstream ends up these translations (hopefully) and want to bring in their own translation group
[08:28] <fta2> micahg, if my bot says it's uploaded successfully but it's not in the ppa, that's bug 648917
[08:28] <dpm> "ends up using", I meant
[08:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648917 in soyuz "SFTP uploads randomly disappearing (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648917
[08:30] <fta2> dpm, i will send requests to you if you don't mind ;)
[08:30] <fta2> there are already some in the chromium answers btw (old ones)
[08:30] <dpm> fta2, surely, no problem. I just wanted you to be aware that this might happen
[08:30] <dpm> I'll be happy to handle the requests
[08:32] <micahg> fta2: k, thanks
[08:33] <fta2> micahg, maybe add a comment there ;)
[08:34]  * micahg will just mark as affeting and subscribe
[08:42] <fta2> dpm, btw, i only dealt with the chromium->gettext part, which was tough enough. i expect the reverse path to be even tougher :P
[08:42] <fta2> dpm, also, to add new langs, i'll need to patch the chromium build system :P
[08:45] <dpm> fta2, wow. I guess we can go by parts. Now the imports part has been implemented. Rather than make a wide announcement, we should perhaps tell translators to test that the imported translations and templates look ok, and let them know that they won't be used until the export part has been implemented
[08:46] <fta2> dpm, i just need to fix the 1st import issue, then, feel free to grab the attention of some motivated translators
[08:47] <dpm> fta2, I'll sure do :) Let me know when you've dealt with it and all the files have been imported, and I'll take care of finding people
[08:47] <fta2> dpm, i will test the (lp) export function once we have some strings, and then write the gettext->chromium converter
[08:47] <dpm> cool
[08:54] <fta2> dpm, i used Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+filebug , do you want me to change that?
[08:56] <dpm> fta2, I think for now it should be ok. If upstream adopt the translations they might want to change that. In any case, I expect most people to translate online and not see the bug address. Only those which export the translations, translate offline and import them back will see it.
[08:58] <fta2> dpm, discussed with evan (upstream) last week, he said he'll commit our strings in trunk, but no guaranty that they end up in chrome, that's up to their release managers
[08:59] <fta2> dpm, also, i told him chromium should do the gettext itself via grit, so he said he'll see to it
[09:00] <dpm> fta2, ah, cool. Yeah, that's what he told me at the last UDS. I think having them in Chromium will be a really big step. Thanks a lot for following up with the discussion. I really hope upstream adopt the conversion part as well
[09:54] <fta2> dpm, weird, none of my descriptions appear in lp, did i miss something?
[09:56] <fta2> dpm, i used a simple "#", i assume there's some formatting for that, right?
[09:56] <fta2> dpm, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations.head/annotate/head:/chromium_strings/chromium_strings.pot
[10:05] <dpm> fta2, let me have a look...
[10:59] <asac> fta2: are you guys working on a chromium translations spec or something?
[11:00] <asac> also i know i didnt get back to you on info what i am doing now ;) ... i am basically working on linaro (www.linaro.org, wiki.linaro.org)
[11:02] <asac> there as manager/lead of UI platforms and middleware/graphics/multimedia/browsers ;) ... with lots of engineers flowing in from all over the world and from all kind of partners its kind of a challenging time atm ;)
[11:19] <dpm> fta2, sorry, I got disconnected. Here's the comment on the POT file comments:
[11:19] <dpm> fta2, they need to be in the format '#. Comment' or '#: Source code reference comment', as in http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#PO-Files
[11:20] <dpm> The templates you imported have got '# Comment' style comments. These are only displayed in Launchpad for .po files, as they are translator comments only relevant to a language
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, could i have a USN for the FF3.6.11,FF3.5.14 updates please?
[11:43] <fta2> dpm, ok thanks. i'll have a look later. please hold the translators back until i get that fixed
[11:44] <dpm> fta2, sure, I will not be announcing anything until you ping me
[11:46] <fta2> dpm, iirc, i should use "#. blabla" instead of "# blabla", right?
[11:47] <fta2> r=read
[11:47] <dpm> fta2, yeah. You can also use "#: blah" if you want to display source code references (i.e. the line of the source file where the particular string was extracted from)
[11:48] <fta2> dpm, i don't have the exact source:line info when i convert those files, it's already preprocessed and that info is gone
[11:50] <dpm> fta2, that's fine. I was just mentioning it in case you'd want to add extra info on where the line from the xml file you do the conversion from is
[12:08] <fta2> dpm: got a few import errors in the .po. i guess i should check them 1st
[12:09] <fta2> it's not that bad, just need 1 more escape
[12:11] <dpm> fta2, ok, cool, yeah, I can see the 2 failed imports in the queue
[12:14] <dpm> fta2, also note that the es-419 locale might not be imported (or imported and not shown), as we deliberately only have one Spanish locale for translations. I'm not sure what we should do with it. It does not affect the conversion, I'd still import it as you are doing, I'm just mentioning it (also as a self-reminder :)
[12:19] <fta2> dpm, i can add a special rule to skip it but if it doesn't hurt, i guess that's fine. btw, why don't we have es-419? ubuntu has a large community there
[12:21] <dpm> fta2, no, no, I wouldn't skip it either. We just have to figure out what to do in the Launchpad side. The Spanish translation team in Ubuntu uses one single locale in order not to fragment the Spanish translation community. Chromium might have other requirements.
[12:31] <fta2> asac, hi. well, no spec in particular (do we need one?) but it's finally moving: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+lang/de
[12:32] <fta2> asac, i still have a few things to fix/improve, it's just the 1st import
[12:34] <fta2> $ bzr diff | diffstat | tail -1
[12:34] <fta2>  105 files changed, 397683 insertions(+), 395482 deletions(-)
[12:34] <fta2> *sigh*
[12:43] <asac> ouch
[12:43] <asac> ;)
[12:44] <fta2>  105 files changed, 488495 insertions(+), 488430 deletions(-)
[12:44] <fta2> rohhh
[12:49] <chrisccoulson> asac - xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS> depends on a version of sqlite that's newer than what we have in ubuntu (with the exception of maverick). i'm not sure what to do about that :/
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> updating sqlite seems like it would be a little painful...
[12:50] <asac> chrisccoulson: depends through configure or through API requirements?
[12:50] <asac> chrisccoulson: for lucid its not a problem, right? e.g. we had all in-source already back then?
[12:50] <chrisccoulson> asac - for firefox - yes, but not for the xulrunner build
[12:51] <asac> chrisccoulson: for xul we should check why the sqlite version was bumped
[12:51] <asac> talk to sdwilsh ... if its a crash fix in upstream sqlite we might want to backport that
[12:52] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i'm trying to figure that out now
[12:52] <asac> and unpatch confiugre build requirement bump
[12:52] <chrisccoulson> here's where it was bumped: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.2/rev/09649109fcea
[12:52] <chrisccoulson> which is only adding a configure check
[12:53] <asac> right
[12:53] <asac> chrisccoulson: so we have to track down the cause of this ... if its speedup we dont need to do anything for xulrunner unless its signifcant or fixing a previous introduced regression
[12:53] <asac> if its crash we need to roll update for sqlite as SRU if possible
[12:53] <asac> in any case for xul we unpatch configure check
[12:54] <fta2> asac, so, what about the spec? ^^
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i can't see any other commits that seem to depend on it
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> i'll ping sdwilsh and see what he thinks too
[12:54] <chrisccoulson> oh, he's away atm
[12:55] <asac> fta2: translation spec? just wondered if someone was documenting the approach for chromium tranlations
[12:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: west coast i guess
[12:55]  * asac on a call now
[12:57] <fta2> asac, no one that i know of. but i have some comments in my code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations-tools.head/annotate/head:/chromium2pot.py
[14:24] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: hey. how similar are the security fixes for 3.6 and 3.5 this time? ie, if most of the CVEs affect both, we can give just one USN
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i don't have access to that information ;)
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> but, the commits look pretty similar....
[14:34] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: k. let's go with one then: 997-1
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, cool, thanks!
[14:35] <jdstrand> sure, np
[14:47] <Dimmuxx> hmm what happend to the combined stop/go/refresh button in the location bar in the latest daily build of fx4?
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, it's still there
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> what's your issue?
[15:07] <Dimmuxx> not in mine
[15:07] <Dimmuxx> it's gone
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> are you sure you didn't just remove it? it's definately still there on mine (todays build)
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, should i use the USN in the changelog for NSS too? (or should it get its own number?)
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> IIRC, the new NSS version fixes a separate security issue anyway
[15:09] <Dimmuxx> I don't think it's possible to remove?
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, you can move it around like any other button (so i assume you can remove it too)
[15:12] <Dimmuxx> ahh, I see what happend now
[15:13] <Dimmuxx> when you select customize it's show like a reload and stop butten to the right of the location bar so if you remove them it's gone.
[15:16] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: nss should get its own USN. is this one already public?
[15:17] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: iirc, it is
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, it's CVE-2010-3170 if that's any help
[15:18] <ubot2> chrisccoulson: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3170)
[15:19] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: k. then no need to pre-allocate a USN. just reference that CVE number using the changelog format listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, ok, i'll do that. thanks
[15:20] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: if it isn't clear from upstream changes what they patched and why, you can just summarize the issue and any new behaviors
[15:54] <fta> asac, btw, congrats for your role in Linaro :)
[15:54] <fta> dpm, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+pots/generated-resources/fr/+translate   seems better
[15:55] <fta> dpm, the formatting is gone though (but it's not a big deal)
[15:55] <dpm> looking...
[15:56] <dpm> fta, looks good, but what do you mean the formatting is gone?
[15:57] <dpm> fta, oh, I see. I've just read your question on #launchpad
[15:59] <fta> hm, it seems those notes are not everywhere..
[16:00] <fta> probably need to wait for the queue to clear up
[16:04] <fta> it's slow ;)
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, the new sqlite version is only needed for firefox because there are some changes in mozilla-central that will prevent people who have tried the beta from going back to 3.6
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> so i'm just going to drop the configure check in xulrunner
[16:12] <asac> chrisccoulson: what impact will that have? i know that some ubuntu users use the upstream build from time to time so we should be careful
[16:12] <asac> if those might loose their profile we might want to backport it
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> asac - that's ok, because our firefox build will still have the new sqlite version
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> this is only for xulrunner
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> (so, users who try upstream builds of ff-4.0 will still be able to roll back to 3.6)
[16:13] <asac> right. but xulrunner might be used by apps
[16:13] <asac> that have a profile and a trunk build ;)
[16:13] <asac> so same problem for those and if we mean it serious with supporting then this is something this is something we should be concerned about
[16:13] <asac> hmm double type ;)
[16:13] <fta> dpm, are the desktop files supposed to be integrated into this too?
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i suppose that's more complicated then
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> but, updating the system sqlite version would be pretty painful
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> and i already know that shipping the bundled sqlite in xulrunner breaks applications that link directly to sqlite (eg, liferea)
[16:15] <dpm> fta, it would be nice. I guess they are only necessary for the linux platform, but it wouldn't hurt having them. Perhaps we should just have them as a separate template
[16:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: we could cherry pick the commit needed there
[16:16] <asac> chrisccoulson: if this could be confined
[16:16] <fta> dpm, that would just be 3 strings but it makes sense. i'll think about it
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> asac - i'm not sure about that, it's a pretty big diff :/
[16:37] <asac> chrisccoulson: do we provide daily xul builds still?
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> asac - we do, but so far nothing is using them
[16:40] <asac> chrisccoulson: are those with system sqlite?
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> asac - they are for the maverick builds. i suspect not for the older releases though
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> asac - i just asked sdwilsh again, and he said that applications would only not be able to go back to 1.9.2 if they have been run with 2.0 and used a specific 2.0 feature as well
[16:41] <asac> ah ok. maverick sqlite is fresh enough. i forgot about that
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> so it's safe to run existing applications with 2.0 and then go back to 1.9.2
[16:42] <asac> "used a specific 2.0 feature" -> what is that? where is that used by ffox?
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> asac - the feature is WAL, which is actually a sqlite feature
[16:51] <asac> kill it ;)
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> but applications that are currently using 1.9.2 will not use this functionality automatically if people run them with 2.0
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> so, we should be safe
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> it's a feature that requires explicitly enabling
[16:59] <fta> dpm, what's wrong with those? (unwanted langs?) https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+imports?field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.filter_extension=all
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> ^^^micahg
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> we're going to drop the requirement for sqlite 3.7.1
[17:11] <dpm> fta, they are not being imported because we don't have such locales. IIRC no.po is deprecated, es-419 we don't use for the reasons discussed this morning, pt_PT is not imported because the locale does not exist in LP (we have 'pt' for Portuguese from Brazil). Let me try to approve pt_PT manually for now. I've asked danilo if this will need to be done manually in the future as well. If it does, you might want to rename the po file to pt.po instead
[17:11] <dpm> (I know it's an ugly special case, but it might be the easiest option)
[17:12] <fta> dpm, i already have pt (i have both, like for es)
[17:13] <dpm> fta, ah, weird. Then pt_PT should be redundant. Do you have pt_BR as well?
[17:14] <fta> oh, right
[17:14] <dpm> These are the two codes we've got in LP for Portuguese. pt for Portuguese from Portugal and pt_BR for Portuguese from Brazil
[17:14] <fta>     <file path="resources/generated_resources_pt-BR.xtb" lang="pt-BR" />
[17:14] <fta>     <file path="resources/generated_resources_pt-PT.xtb" lang="pt-PT" />
[17:15] <fta> hmm..
[17:15] <fta>     <!-- The translation console uses 'no' for Norwegian Bokmål. It should be 'nb'. -->
[17:15] <fta>     <output filename="generated_resources_nb.pak" type="data_package" lang="no" />
[17:15] <fta> do we have that?
[17:18] <fta> dpm, ^^
[17:20] <dpm> fta, we do have nb. As per pt_PT, it might need to be renamed to 'pt', but let's wait until danilo can answer to see if it's necessary. For now, I'll approve the pt_PT translations into pt, so that we have all languages in
[17:22] <fta> dpm, i can probably auto-rename (no->nb, pt_PT->pt) in my converter, if that helps
[17:23] <dpm> fta, yeah, that'd get them automatically imported
[17:23] <fta>     <!-- The translation console uses 'iw' for Hebrew, but we use 'he'. -->
[17:23] <fta>     <file path="resources/generated_resources_iw.xtb" lang="he" />
[17:23] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, seems like a mess
[17:23] <dpm> ouch, another special case
[17:23] <fta> i used 'he' here
[17:23] <dpm> yeah
[19:27] <fta> dpm, i'm not sure how to read https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+imports  all are "imported" but with "will be imported into..". are they done?
[19:30] <dpm> fta, the "Imported" text to the right is what counts, so that means all po files have been successfully imported. The "will be imported into..." text is useful while a translation is pending approval or import, but it is not updated subsequently (which I agree is a bit confusing)
[20:15] <fta> dpm, ok. weird then. some still don't have my translator notes.
[20:16] <fta> also seeing inspector and devtools not translated by upstream is troubling.. maybe we should not translate those either...
[20:18] <dpm> fta, yeah, it might be worth perhaps asking upstream and not importing them if they are not needed. We can disable the existing templates in LP if you want for now
[20:32] <fta> dpm, asked: they are not, they could be, but not sure they should be (i have no strong feeling about that)
[20:33] <dpm> fta, then I'd suggest not importing them until upstream has decided what they do with them. Otherwise we'd just be wasting the translators' efforts. Shall I go on and disable them in LP?
[20:36] <fta> dpm, done but should i also remove the pots from the bzr branch?
[20:37] <dpm> fta, yeah, I think so, I think if I disable them in LP they will not be imported anyway, but it might be worth removing them from the tree, as to mark that they are no longer updated
[20:39] <dpm> fta, what's up with the 'chromium-strings' template? Have translations not yet been imported, or there weren't any, either?
[20:39] <dpm>   https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+lang/fr
[20:40] <fta> that's expected. google (paid) translators focus on chrome, not on chromium, but we want those
[20:42] <dpm> fta, oh, so these are the chromium-specific ones?
[20:43] <fta> dpm, yep, depending which branding you build chromium with, it will use one or the other
[20:43] <fta> the common strings are in the biggest pile (generated_*)
[20:46] <fta> dpm, also, i'm not sure if i should care about PO-Revision-Date and POT-Revision-Date, like does lp import everything even if those dates are unchanged or do i have to bump those at each commit
[20:48] <dpm> fta, I wouldn't bother about PO-Revision-Date, it's not used for templates, and in PO files LP updates them. It might be worth bumping POT-Revision-Date whenever there is a new revision, to mimic what getext tools do. In any case, even if those fields are not updated, LP will import any new template commit
[20:49] <dpm> fta, ok, gotcha. What are the translations for webkit-strings needed for? Are they exclusively webkit? We've got  a gettext-based webkit template in Ubuntu already, but I can't think of an easy way to reuse those translations. If we are lucky and they turn out to be the same messages, LP will show suggestions for them and translators will only have to point and click.
[20:49] <fta> dpm, for the pot dates, i use mtime of the upstream grd
[20:49] <dpm> yeah, that sounds good
[20:50] <fta> no, this is for the chromium port/part of webkit (iirc, but i could check)
[20:51] <dpm> ok
[20:52] <fta> but not today, tired, 3h of sleep last night, not enough
[21:00] <dpm> fta, ok, go and get some sleep, great work!


[10:35] <hugoval02> je voudrai utiliser le noyau generic a la place du real time, comment faire ?
[10:36] <hugoval02> personne ?
[10:36] <hugoval02> ok --'
[10:36] <hugoval02> in english maybe ?
[10:37] <hugoval02> is there anyboby ?
[13:18] <studio-user327> bonjour y a-t'il des français?
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[13:44] <smartboyhw> ANYONE HERE?
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[14:24] <holstein> smartboyhw: check out the topic, and if you have a question, feel free and ask :)
[15:55] <Chamunks> http://paste.thezomg.com/4181/44527607/ Linthesia crashes on loading of a mid file.
[16:36] <holstein> Chamunks: i would try it with a different midi file, and i would try as a different user.. i would try playing the midi file with another application
[16:37] <holstein> looks to me like it could be as simple as the UI not finding the font it needs "cannot load PangoFont"
[16:38] <holstein> i would also try stepping the version back to an earlier one if there is one
[16:38] <holstein> i would also consider trying a newer version from http://sourceforge.net/projects/linthesia/
[16:53] <Joao> hi, can help me?
[16:54] <holstein> Joao: just ask, and if anyone is around, and can help, we will :)
[16:55] <Joao> how to edit applicatons menu on ubuntu studio? this is possible in xubuntu
[16:55] <holstein> Joao: its XFCE.. should be simlar... i do it manually, or i just use a dock, or kupfer
[16:56] <holstein> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu is what i suggest
[16:56] <holstein> if you get stuck, or cant find anyone, feel free to try #xubuntu
[16:58] <len-dt> The menu editor Alacarte works easy
[16:58] <Joao> ok, I'll try if I can not come back here
[16:58] <holstein> i read there were issues with alacarte, but i never had issues
[16:58] <Joao> thanks
[16:58] <len-dt> It can be installed with synaptic or apt-get
[17:00] <Chamunks> thanks holstein
[17:04] <Joao> Hello, I could edit the menu using Alacarte, thanks for the suggestion len-dt
[17:05] <len-dt> You are welcome, Alacarte is included in studio 12.10.
[17:07] <Joao> ok, when they will launch the ubuntu studio 12.10?
[17:08] <len-dt> 2012 october
[17:18] <Joao> Ah, another question
[17:18] <Joao> like changing the wallpaper of the login screen?
[17:18] <Chamunks> If i were looking for a keyboard (piano) that would plug into a usb port and not be terrible and be around 50-100$
[17:18] <Chamunks> what would I be looking for.
[17:20] <holstein> Chamunks: i have an maudio keystation
[17:21] <holstein> "just works"... not horrid
[17:21] <Chamunks> got myself a nice M-Audio producer usb mic its great I love the thing for the price it rocks.
[17:22] <Chamunks> looks like a nice enough  board doesnt have a bunch of frilly options I'll likely never understand/use
[17:26] <Chamunks> ugh yikes needs own power i wonder how hard it would be to just splice some usb cords together and toss in a resistor or something and have the same voltage :P
[17:27] <Chamunks> anyways thanks again for the reccomendation :)
[17:28] <holstein> Chamunks: mine is USB powered
[17:28] <Chamunks> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=35_765_659&item_id=007602 this is the one thats mainly advertised
[17:28] <Chamunks> this ones keys dont look as nice but is probbly a way better deal http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=35_765_659&item_id=009792
[17:29] <Chamunks> especially for someone like me who's mainly looking to just mess around and maybe concidder learning it.
[17:29] <holstein> havent played the 37 note one
[17:29] <holstein> the other one is the one i have
[17:29] <holstein> its USB powered
[17:29] <Chamunks> I wont learn it if its not around.
[17:29] <Chamunks> so you've got the 61?
[17:29] <holstein> 49
[17:30] <holstein> i dont need a piano replacement though
[17:30] <holstein> and i wouldnt consider anything under 5 or 600 US to get anywhere near that
[17:30] <holstein> that = replacing a piano
[17:31] <Chamunks> http://www.canadacomputers.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=m-audio+&sid=82bgdp504u234ntlg64sh6hvk0&x=0&y=0 in that list theres a couple 49 keys
[17:31] <Chamunks> I prefer new but I can look on craigs/kijiji
[17:31] <holstein> i would get a used one if you see one
[17:32] <Chamunks> well i wouldnt really need anything necessarily piano quality.
[17:33] <Chamunks> but it would be nice to aim as good as i can whilst being a cheap not to serious person about it.
[17:33] <Chamunks> I've got a piano thats slightly out of tune downstairs in my house but if its not by my computer I'm highly likely to not try it.
[17:34] <holstein> non weighted, and semi weighted are not piano quality
[17:35] <Chamunks> ah fair
[17:35] <holstein> the roland V is the only thing that comes close to replacing a piano in my opinion
[17:35] <holstein> i like the nord gear, but thats not for piano replacement
[17:35] <holstein> you really cant replace a piano for most things
[17:35] <holstein> depends on what you are doing and want to accomplish
[17:36] <holstein> if you want a USB midi keyboard to dip a toe in the water with synths in linux.. the maudio is a good value
[17:36] <holstein> everything else above that price point is, in my opinion, not worth the extra $$
[17:36] <holstein> if you want a piano, i say, tune your piano
[17:37] <Chamunks> heh seems intimidating
[17:37] <holstein> tuning your piano? i assumed you would get a tuner
[17:37] <Chamunks> yeh i wonder if theres an app like for guitars
[17:38] <holstein> sure, and thats about 4% of it
[17:38] <holstein> you need the hammer.. a nice one
[17:38] <holstein> you need to know how to set the pins
[17:38] <holstein> there are reasons why everyone tunes a guitar, and no one tunes a piano
[17:39] <holstein> getting the pitch is not that big a deal.. keeping it there, and dealing with the tempered scale... thats the art of tuning a piano
[17:39] <holstein> whatever your tuner will charge you is worth every penny
[17:39] <holstein> usually you can get someone for $40 or so US
[17:40] <holstein> when i get a new instrument, like where i am now with a piano, i will tune it a few times myself to get it up to pitch, or close to it
[17:40] <holstein> then, i pay a pro to come in for a few hours... tune... calibrate
[17:43] <Chamunks> :)
[17:44] <Chamunks> i like the sound of this process.
[17:44] <Chamunks> well in the mean time thanks for the advice I'll look into that fix for linthesia when im back in a few days im off for the weekend cheers :)
[17:44] <holstein> Chamunks: anytime!
[18:05] <len-dt> holstein, I actually prefer a semi-weighted KB.  I am not a KB player.
[18:08] <len-dt> I just like to add simple stuff.
[20:25] <microcluster> hi
[20:25] <microcluster> ?
[20:29] <microcluster> is ubuntustudio the right way to make videoediting?


[01:26] <RAOF> tjaalton: Aaand that's the Mir EGL patches refreshed and working.
[04:47] <tjaalton> RAOF: great, thanks!
[11:24] <mamarley> ricotz: The 340 and 390 drivers I had in https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages have all built successfully on i386 and amd64 (armhf still hasn't been re-enabled).
[11:58] <ricotz> mamarley, did you encounter any problems with 390?
[11:59]  * ricotz copied 384.111 from the archive to silence people not seeing it in the ppa
[12:59] <mamarley> ricotz: Nope, it runs fine for me.  I tested OpenGL, OpenGL ES, and Vulkan.
[13:03] <ricotz> copied them all, thanks!
[13:07] <mamarley> No problem
[16:45] <soee> finally have 390 driver installed from ppa
[16:45] <soee> and works with kernel 4.15 RC :)
[17:08] <mamarley> soee: Yeah, sorry about that.  The buildds were turned off until Meltdown was patched.


[01:49] <bryce> I have feedback for the new page at wiki.ubuntu.com.  Is this the right place to give it?
[08:05] <mdke> bryce: sort of, but really the mailing list is better, as you have done


[00:10] <george> join #kubuntu-dev
[00:43] <deemo> How does thou disable a touchpad in Lubuntu?
 Sorry to ask: does anyone knows how to resize default panel ? Thank you
[06:52] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:12] <LRB> I have a strange problem I'm not sure how to start troubleshooting. Whenever I choose "Take a New Screenshot" in spectacle, all of my window decorations disappear.
[07:12] <LRB> Spectacle is version 16.12.3
[07:13] <LRB> I'm running Ubuntu 17.04 and everything is up-to-date
[07:13] <LRB> Kubuntu*
[07:14] <LRB> It's basically a new installation. I've got the breeze-dark theme going but that's about the only modification I've made to the WM. I modified the scaling too, but I don't think that would have any affect
[07:15] <LRB> Something to note is that after the decorations disappear I'm unable to change focus of my applications.
[07:23] <hateball> LRB: hmmm, weird
[07:24] <hateball> wonder if I have a machine to reproduce on (running 16.04 on this one)
[07:24] <LRB> I found out it has specifically to do with the active window screenshot
[07:24] <hateball> Pretty sure I was taking a screenshot when I played a game this weekend tho... on 17.04
[07:25] <LRB> Fullscreen screenshots work just fine. I guess it's only the active window ones. For example, if I press meta+printscreen, it happens.  It's not an enormous problem for me, but it's still a pretty weird bug.
[09:05] <obert> hello, how to upgrade from 16.04 to 17?
[09:05] <obert> it is not apt-get upgrade, isn't it?
[09:06] <lordievader> You can't in one go... 17.04 ain't a LTS.
[09:07] <obert> no?
[09:07] <lordievader> However, you can do 'do-release-upgrade' twice.
[09:07] <lordievader> Nope
[09:07] <lordievader> Only even numbered .04's are LTSes.
[09:07] <obert> is it recommend to upgrade?
[09:08] <lordievader> Honestly, don't know. I'm kind of out of the loop.
[09:08] <lordievader> I'm sure others are better able to tell you, if you stick around.
[09:08] <hateball> obert: I've had no issues, fwiw
[09:08] <hateball> going from... cant remember my base install at home, possibly 14.04
[09:08] <hateball> and then upgrading every 6 months
[09:08] <obert> mmm
[09:09] <obert> I am not an advanced user
[09:09] <obert> maybe LTS is enough for me
[09:09] <hateball> anyhow, 16.04-16.10-17.04 was completely painless iirc
[09:10] <hateball> more of a pain dealing with 16.04 + PPA to keep Plasma somewhat stable :p
[09:11] <obert> also do you know if there are issues with kubuntu and vmware workstation 12?
[09:12] <hateball> as in... running Kubuntu as host or guest?
[09:12] <obert> guest
[09:12] <obert> but mouse clicking doesn't works in my vm
[09:12] <obert> so I had to install ubuntu
[09:13] <hateball> obert: did you install open-vm-tools in the guest?
[09:13] <obert> hehe yes
[09:13] <hateball> possibly related to wanting/needing compositing, but I dunno
[09:13] <hateball> I only run Kubuntu on bare metal :p
[09:13] <hateball> and headless linux on esxi
[09:13] <obert> I dunno, I only know that ubuntu works and kubuntu no
[09:14] <obert> it could be about vmware or gfx card
[09:15] <mparillo> obert: open-vm-tools-desktop?
[09:16] <obert> mparillo: as far as I know it's 'vmmare tools'
[09:16] <obert> vmware tools
[09:18] <hateball> yes for a GUI machine you'll want open-vm-tools-desktop
[09:19] <hateball> obert: the old vmware tools are deprecated, use the distro provided ones
[09:19] <zamazan4ik> hello. Do you know problem with ctrl+shift+smth hotkeys on non-US languages?
[09:20] <zamazan4ik> i had this problem with kubuntu 17.04
[09:20] <zamazan4ik> how can i fix it?
[09:21] <hateball> zamazan4ik: What would be the problem?
[09:21] <hateball> As I am using hotkeys just fine on sv_SE locale
[09:21] <mparillo> obert: I used to use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/amd64/open-vm-tools-desktop
[09:22] <mparillo> for running Kubuntu as a guest in VMware
[09:22] <zamazan4ik> hateball: when i use e.g. ctrl+shift+T (for konsole) i get language switching (ctrl+shift) instead of konsole(ctrl+shift+T)
[09:22] <mparillo> login to you guest, and sudo apt update && sudo apt install -y open-vm-tools-desktop
[09:22] <mparillo> And re-boot your guest.
[09:23] <hateball> zamazan4ik: hmmm oh, I dont use language switching.. but shouldnt that be ctrl+alt+shift? otherwise ctrl+shift will obviously happen before ctrl+shift+something
[09:23] <obert> mparillo: I will try to install them
[09:23] <zamazan4ik> hateball: on previous versions all worked fine
[09:23] <obert> but I don't know how to do it I think
[09:25] <hateball> obert: alt+space should open krunner, launch konsole from there, and then run what mparillo said
[09:27] <obert> hateball: mouse clicking doesn't works in the vm so I cannot do alt+space
[09:28] <hateball> obert: by default if the VM window has focus you should be "on the desktop" so just pressing any key should bring up krunner
[09:29] <obert> hateball: tried many times:  no luck
[09:29] <hateball> obert: does keyboard input work in the grub menu? like can you hold shift when the VM boots?
[09:30] <hateball> then you could perhaps enter singleusermode and pull in the open-vm-tools-desktop
[09:33] <obert> hateball: I have to try, busy a while
[09:39] <obert> hateball: holding shift does not doing anything
[10:14] <hateball> obert: weird. but I have no experience with vmware workstation so I dunno what else could be checked
[10:14] <obert> thank you hateball
[10:17] <hateball> obert: you may have some luck asking in #vmware, but if regular ubuntu works... then that is weird. it is same kernel/grub
[10:18] <obert> yeah infact I asked here if there are issues with vmware and kubuntu itself
[10:19] <obert> lunch, later and thanks again
[11:53] <K-ubuntuer> Hi
[11:53] <K-ubuntuer> Anyone here?
[11:59] <K-ubuntuer> Hello?
[12:00] <ElectrcNINJA> Ello.
[12:00] <ElectrcNINJA> (Kind of just lurking)
[12:00] <acheronUK> !help | K-ubuntuer
[12:00] <K-ubuntuer> Oh
[12:01] <K-ubuntuer> Then what's the differences are there between kde and unity?
[12:06] <K-ubuntuer> :/ I just asked a question
[12:06] <KurousagiMK2> unity dead... Canonical buried him. there is nothing to compare.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:10] <K-ubuntuer> Hi :)
[12:10] <K-ubuntuer> Yes, unity is already dead :( though gnome is going to replace it
[12:39] <majorana> Hi! Yesterday the KDE team accounced Plasma 5.9.5; How long does it (usually) take until the updates find their way to the repo? When can I expect them to install?
[12:45] <K-ubuntuer> I'm not sure
[12:48] <hateball> majorana: you may have more luck asking in #kubuntu-devel
[12:48] <hateball> "not long"
[12:49] <K-ubuntuer> Yep I know right
[12:50] <acheronUK> majorana: will hopefully be uploading to Artful later or tomorrow, then if ok, to zesty soon. but with zesty as a stable release update (SRU) it will have to sepnd a week or so at least in 'proposed' for testing before it will be allowed into updates officially
[12:54] <majorana> @archeronUK Thanks! So the usual delay is about a week plus/minus a few days
[12:54] <acheronUK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[12:54] <acheronUK> the procedure we have to follow ^^^
[12:54] <acheronUK> for the main archive
[12:55] <majorana> Alright, I will check it out!
[12:58] <acheronUK> we wanted to try to get 5.9.5 in the main archive for this update, so everyone can benefit, rather than just put it in a ppa that only a fraction of people might think to enable
[13:08] <majorana> I think that's a good idea :-)
[13:12] <majorana> Is the Kubuntu installer part of the KDE project or part of Kubuntu? I would like to make a proposal.
[13:18] <acheronUK> the installer is ubiquity which is a ubuntu thing. we just use a KDE/Qt front end to it
[13:22] <majorana> Thanks. I just found, that my idea already was proposed six years ago and nothing happend since then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/871752 :-(
[13:23] <K-ubuntuer> The kubuntu installer doesn't use ubiquity
[13:27] <majorana> Which one does it use instead? It really looks like ubiquity
[13:27] <K-ubuntuer> Wait I'll find out
[13:27] <majorana> Merci!
[13:30] <K-ubuntuer> It's an installer called Calamares.
[13:31] <acheronUK> K-ubuntuer: we do use ubiquity
[13:31] <majorana> Okay, that's the one Manjaro also uses (besides other distros https://calamares.io/about/)
[13:31] <K-ubuntuer> That's for ubuntu and ubuntu GNOME
[13:31] <K-ubuntuer> Ubiquity
[13:32] <majorana> I think acheronUK is right, only KDE Neon is listed on the calamares website
[13:32] <acheronUK> majorana: I KNOW I am right. I'm a kubuntu developer. I know precisely what we use
[13:33] <majorana> :-D I better hope so!
[13:33] <K-ubuntuer> Yep kubuntu is listed on calamares website: Calamares is maintained by the Calamares team. Most of us are also KDE developers, and we have received contributions from BBQLinux, Fedora, KaOS, Kubuntu, Manjaro, Maui, Netrunner and OpenMandriva developers as well.
[13:35] <acheronUK> majorana: Another kubuntu developer 'contributes' to Calameres, but we (kubuntu) use Ubiquity
[13:35] <K-ubuntuer> Oh I get it now
[13:36] <acheronUK> majorana: this is our front end: http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/ubiquity-frontend-kde
[13:37] <majorana> Also Calamares already makes the thing right I am complaining about: The keyboard layout comes right after the language: http://i.imgur.com/eZLqXun.png
[13:37] <acheronUK> and our slideshow http://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[13:39] <acheronUK> majorana: AFAIR, ordering like that is the base ubiquity, not our look and feel front end
[13:40]  * acheronUK would quite like to use Calamares
[13:40] <majorana> Thought so. Are there any reasons why the Kubuntu would not move to Calamares?
[13:44] <acheronUK> not something I've personally looked into the practicalities of. However, it's not even in debian/ubuntu yet, would have to wait for it to come in or try to get it in
[13:45] <acheronUK> at least with ubiquity we have full support from ubuntu.
[13:55] <majorana> @archeronUK: The patches to change the order should be minimal; Could I as a user contribute a code patch?
[14:00] <dpohlman> Trying to use IM and adding "Google" and crash every time, any ideas
[14:01] <dpohlman> "Unable to Finish" There was an error while trying to process the request"
[14:01] <dpohlman> If I initate any of the other add clients they seem to work ok.
[14:01] <acheronUK> majorana: anyone can, but as it's canonical's thing you might need to agree to https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/contributors
[14:01] <acheronUK> though minor obvious changes might be ok without
[14:02] <acheronUK> majorana: #ubuntu-installer may be the place to ask
[14:06] <majorana> @ archonUK: Alright, I gonna ask there.
[14:07] <majorana> About Calamares and Debian, I just asked and got the following answer
[14:07] <majorana> "[15:55] <highvoltage> majorana: yep, I'm working on it, close to having it ready [15:56] <highvoltage> majorana: debian is in freeze at the moment for the stretch release, but I'm aiming for an upload to experimental next week"
 :)
[17:25] <krabbe> moin
[17:26] <BluesKaj_> noim
[17:27] <BluesKaj_> we speak English here not twitter or message speak
[17:43] <Pici> BluesKaj_: moin is german
[17:45] <BluesKaj_> Pici,  yseah so?
[17:45] <BluesKaj_>  sure it is , never seen that as a german greeting
[20:33] <user|44455> Hi,
[20:33] <user|44455> I've some problems to launch an app like Anarok or Discover on Ubuntu
[20:34] <user|44455> Are anyone have same problem ?
[20:38] <Dragnslcr> user|44455- you should describe exactly what problem you're having
[20:40] <user|44455> Since i've install Kubuntu 16.04.2 LTS on my lenovo laptop on EFI. Some apps are installed but don't lauch
[20:41] <user|44455> The app start but after few seconds, the app disappear
[20:41] <user|44455> like on Anarok, Dragon,...
[20:42] <user|44455> but other apps like Gimp, Firefox work good
[20:43] <user|44455> Do you know if this is a general bug or not ?
[20:51] <viewer|93820> I was interested in learning more about Kubuntu and wanted to give it a try to I installed it on a virtual machine using VirtualBox on a Mac. After initial install, I ran updates and rebooted. After successfully rebooting the OS I shutdown and made some modifications to my Virtualbox settings - I enabled 3D acceleration. With this setting I am able
[20:51] <viewer|93820>  to boot the OS but the kubuntu menu bar disappears after launch. I am able to interact with it though it is invisible. When I try launching applications the windows never appear. I tried disabling 3D acceleration but now Kubuntu does not boot properly - it never reaches the login screen. Any help would be appreciated, I am new to VMs and Linux.
[20:52] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/67qels/kubuntu_1704_proper_way_to_handle_hidpi/
[20:54] <viewer|93820> Should I be posting this question elsewhere? I'm having a difficult time finding support for my issue online and I do not believe the link you posted is relevant to my inquiry
[20:57] <Dragnslcr> user|44455- if the program crashed, usually you'll get a notification in the system tray
[20:57] <Dragnslcr> user|44455- it's probably worth trying to start the program from a terminal window, that way you should see any error messages
[20:58] <viewer|93820> The main issue is that no windows are displaying. I tried opening terminal but the window never showed. The only thing I am able to interact with is the desktop helper in the top right and I can hover over where the menu bar should be and interact with it as context boxes pop up
[20:59] <user|44455> the only problem same with terminal, no info are registered
[21:06] <viewer|93820> Is anyone able to help me?
[21:09] <valorie> ahoneybun: the only difficulty I have is the file save menu in FF
[21:09] <valorie> although tabs in both ff and chrome seem huge, I'm getting used to 'em
[21:10] <valorie> user|44455: how did you start it in the konsole?
[21:11] <user|44455> yes and he says this is impossible because he doesn't find directory
[21:13] <user|44455> for anarok and Dragon, it's ok now but not for the latest program installed today
[21:15] <user|44455> my latest program was a file in .sh
[21:15] <user|44455> i delete this program to reinstall


[22:00] <Don56ish> It`s awfully quiet in here for a classroom.:-!
[22:56] <virtuald> ssh! we're studying