[09:39] <mycoDA> why the heck would my volume be going thru the roof every time the screen comes out of dpms
[14:59] <hipitihop> I installed from a 9.x livecd to a fresh machine a couple of years back, didn't realy pay attention to how fs was setup, only to find I apparently have a very odd set of partions
[14:59] <hipitihop>  /dev/sda1              12G  9.2G  1.3G  89% /
[14:59] <hipitihop>  /dev/sda6             454G  352G  102G  78% /var/lib
[15:01] <hipitihop> so two questions, a) why such an odd setup, and b) how can I fix this now that I have a number of services running on this box, myth, asterisk, ossec etc
[15:03] <mycoDA> interesting
[15:04] <mycoDA> /var/lib/mythtv is where all your recordings and videos etc are, would be why it is separate, maybe there was an accident setting it up?
[15:04] <mycoDA> hipitihop
[15:05] <mycoDA> simplest way to fix it is prolly to go into single user mode, umount devsda6 and copy it over if you wanted to
[15:05] <mycoDA> /var/lib/mythtv is on a separate phsical drive for me
[15:05] <hipitihop> mycoDA, you mean chose the wrong option during install ?
[15:06] <mycoDA> in ur case is prolly to stop recordings filling the root drive
[15:06] <hipitihop> mycoDA, only have one hd on this box
[15:06] <mycoDA> yeah, but is a separate partition
[15:07] <hipitihop> perhaps, but on another channel, people said this is one of the silliest configs they have ever seen
[15:07] <mycoDA> like i said - is to stop recordings filling the root drive and killing the system
[15:07] <hipitihop> and now trying to run another service on the box, splunk and it wants 2gb space and says there is no room
[15:08] <hipitihop> someone suggested I mv /opt to sda6 and symlink
[15:08] <mycoDA> was about to say that lol
[15:08] <mycoDA> would eb a workaround
[15:09] <mycoDA> tho - try sudo apt-get clean
[15:09] <mycoDA> might free up some space
[15:10] <hipitihop> can't damage anything ?
[15:10] <mycoDA> lean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files. It removes everything but the lock file from
[15:10] <mycoDA>            /var/cache/apt/archives/ and /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/. When APT is used as a dselect(1) method, clean is run
[15:10] <mycoDA>            automatically. Those who do not use dselect will likely want to run apt-get clean from time to time to free up disk space.
[15:10] <mycoDA> autoclean
[15:10] <mycoDA>            Like clean, autoclean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files. The difference is that it only removes
[15:10] <mycoDA>            package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless. This allows a cache to be maintained over a long
[15:10] <mycoDA>            period without it growing out of control. The configuration option APT::Clean-Installed will prevent installed packages from
[15:10] <mycoDA>            being erased if it is set to off.
[15:12] <hipitihop> k, done that, barely budged, now at 1.4gb
[15:12] <mycoDA> sudo apt-get autoremove
[15:12] <mycoDA> will remove orphaned packages
[15:13] <mycoDA> left behind after something else that required em is gone
[15:13] <mycoDA> also - could have a cleanout of /var/log
[15:13] <mycoDA> or move IT to sda6 even
[15:13] <hipitihop> so specifically for now, df -k /opt/splunk
[15:14] <hipitihop> gives .. /dev/sda1             11535344   9531852   1417524  88% /
[15:15] <mycoDA> doesnt tell you much lol
[15:15] <hipitihop> so can you step me through moving /opt to sda 6 without destroying the system ? I have at least 3 services running on this, one being myth other asterisk etc
[15:15] <hipitihop> sorry, opt/splunk is what is complaining about not enough space
[15:16] <mycoDA> gah
[15:16] <mycoDA> havent had to do this in donkeys
[15:17] <hipitihop> ok, if you don't feel comfortable that's fine... I don't either, still a little green around the gills when it comes to the Linux fs, so prefer to stand on teh shoulders of giants
[15:17] <mycoDA> i know what to do - go into single user mode
[15:17] <mycoDA> been donkeys since i did
[15:18] <mycoDA> /opt/splunk should be easy enuf tho
[15:18] <mycoDA> shouldnt need any stuffing around
[15:18] <mycoDA> mv /opt/splunk /var/lib/spluk
[15:19] <hipitihop> shouldn't I move all of opt ?
[15:19] <mycoDA> ln -s /var/lib/splunk /opt/splunk
[15:19] <mycoDA> up to you
[15:19] <mycoDA> would likely have to drop to single user mode so it isnt in use
[15:19] <mycoDA> not sure
[15:19] <hipitihop> although your suggestion will only effect splunk so safer I guess
[15:20] <mycoDA> was why i said it
[15:20] <hipitihop> so I can do the splunk mv without single user ? probably best to stop splunk though
[15:20] <mycoDA> tho there is nothing in my opt
[15:20] <mycoDA> yeah - stop splunk
[15:21] <hipitihop> good point, hold on I'll see what I have
[15:21] <mycoDA> is anything else in /opt ?
[15:21] <mycoDA> brb - smoke
[15:26] <mycoDA> bak
[15:38] <hipitihop> ok, on the splunk channel, considering this is a fresh unused splunk install, they siggested using the dpgg --instdir and install it into a proper place
[15:38] <hipitihop> s/dpgg/dpkg
[15:39] <mycoDA> fair one
[15:39] <mycoDA> purge it and install it again
[15:39] <hipitihop> so next question in ubuntu fs, where is the correct place to specify such stuff
[15:39] <hipitihop> /usr/share ?
[15:40] <mycoDA> wherever u like, but in ur case, prolly gonna be /usr/lib/splunk :P
[15:40] <hipitihop> oops, same partition
[15:41] <hipitihop> answer is in my original df -h
[15:41] <hipitihop> iow, sda6 is on /var/lib
[15:42] <hipitihop> am I correct ?
[15:42] <mycoDA> uhuh
[15:42] <mycoDA> lol - my memory sux
[15:42] <mycoDA> /var/lib/splunk
[15:42] <mycoDA> i knew something sounded wrong with what i said lol
[15:49] <hipitihop> np, thanks for trying to help mycoDA, I learnd something anyway .. now will see if indeed that's going to work
[15:50] <mycoDA> fingers crossed
[15:50] <mycoDA> hope it does it for you
[15:53] <hipitihop> hmm, sudo dpkg -i --instdir /var/lib splunk-4.2-96430-linux-2.6-amd64.deb claims "no such file or directory"
[15:53] <hipitihop> anyway, wrong channel now, totally ot
[16:00] <jsheezy> can someone point me to the guide for using external storage for videos on mythbuntu?
[16:02] <mycoDA> point mythvideo to its mount point via one of the storage groups
[16:02] <mycoDA> done
[16:06] <mycoDA> there isnt really support for metadata on removable storage yet tho jsheezy
[16:07] <jsheezy> oh i did not know that... that stinks!
[16:08] <mycoDA> there are scripts for it iirc
[16:08] <mycoDA> puts the metadata in files with the video (same dir)
[16:08] <mycoDA> retrieves it on reconnect
[16:08] <mycoDA> havent tried em
[16:09] <jsheezy> looks like i have some experimenting to do
[16:09] <mycoDA> lol yup
[16:09] <mycoDA> good luck
[16:09] <mycoDA> havent had much joy with automatic metadata population myself lol
[16:41] <jsheezy> do you know of a way to make an external usb drive static? meaning if I unplug it and plug it back in it remains the same device?
[16:53] <tgm4883> jsheezy, it should already do that?
[16:54] <jsheezy> so if i fdisk and see it as sdc1 is it always going to be that sdc1?
[17:32] <hipitihop> is there any reason I should not install syslog-ng
[18:47] <dewman> is this just a generic error? playCtx, Error: Attempting to setup a player, but it already exists.
[18:48] <dewman> this occurs when watching live tv. I dropped all the tuners,sources, added hdhr tuner, did a scan, watched live tv, went to try to tune audio channels, then went back to live tv and now I get this.
[18:48] <dewman> grrr
[18:52] <dewman> Wonder if this has something to do with not using the device id
[18:52] <dewman> but rather using the ip address of the tuner...
[19:43] <kees> superm1: hi! are you around to take a look at the patch at the end of bug 698007?
[19:43] <Zinn> Bug 698007 in lirc (Ubuntu) "lirc init script can create circular symlinks" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/698007
[19:44] <kees> superm1: it fixes both 698007 and bug 697999
[19:44] <Zinn> Bug 697999 in lirc (Ubuntu) "lirc init script seems to load things backwards" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/697999


[12:02] <yano> i've gone a little crazy with Matrix.org D:
[12:02] <yano> lol
[12:06] <yano> i've now set up bridges for ##ohio ##ohio-news and ##news
[12:34] <dzho> yano: fun, eh?
[12:34] <dzho> I like Matrix, use it for a couple of channels across bridges
[12:34] <yano> dzho: yea! but i still feel like the interface is a little clunky
[12:34] <dzho> I don't think it scales nearly as well as irssi though :-)
[12:34] <dzho> ah, yeah
[12:35] <dzho> that would be the various Riot interfaces.
[12:35] <dzho> I'm given to understand there's a weechat plugin.
[12:35] <dzho> which seems somewhat counterintuitive--if one is running weechat, why not use it straight through IRC?
[12:36] <dzho> I wonder if the plugin has the capability to access channel backscroll after the fact, though.
[12:36] <yano> well riot.im/matrix.org was crawling because of their reddit post
[12:36] <yano> they basically got slashdotted
[12:39] <dzho> oh, I didn't see the reddit post. Which subreddit?
[12:39] <dzho> [citation requested] ;-)
[12:45] <yano> /r/linux
[12:45] <yano> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6ltmm9/a_call_to_arms_supporting_matrixorg/
[12:45] <jenni> [ A Call to Arms: Supporting Matrix.org : linux ] - https://bit.ly/2tQpCqc
[12:48] <dzho> yano++
[12:48] <jenni> yano: +5/-0, 5
[13:00] <yano> yw
[13:00] <yano> "_
[13:00] <yano> :)


[01:05] <goddard> hey
[06:40] <bkerensa> slangasek: fixed it... user error on nathwill :P
[06:42] <bkerensa> thanks for the heads up
[06:42] <bkerensa> bdmurray: and plans for SRU Verification at the jam?
[15:29] <bkerensa> morning
[15:33] <Brian_H> hey buddy
[15:34] <bkerensa> Brian_H: How goes things in Beaverton?
[15:34] <Brian_H> Pretty good, a bit windy, but overall good.  Been playing around with proxmox for a virtualization platform
[15:34] <Brian_H> its pretty real
[15:36] <bkerensa> Brian_H: I see your booth for OSCON will be in 609
[15:36] <bkerensa> we will be one row behind you
[15:36] <Brian_H> YES! :)
[15:37] <Brian_H> lol we signed up for that booth last year on the last day of oscon @ oscon
[15:37] <Brian_H> I think we were one of the first to reserve
[15:38] <bkerensa> Brian_H: yeah they are idk... giving us some sort of mini table
[15:38] <bkerensa> >.<
[15:38]  * bkerensa has to figure out how to tie down the banner because they didnt put us in a typical booth this year
[15:39] <Brian_H> duct tape!
[15:40] <Brian_H> or borrow your neighbors booth corners and use some parachute cord
[15:40] <bkerensa> ;p
[15:40] <bkerensa> Brian_H: are you guys getting a keg this year?
[15:40] <bkerensa> :P
[15:41] <Brian_H> hmm dunno, I think we are bringing shirts and 4GB usb keys
[15:42] <Brian_H> I was pushing for DRBD/LINBIT case badges
[15:42] <Brian_H> maybe next conf :p
[15:43] <bkerensa> :D
[15:43] <bkerensa> 4GB usb keys are always nice
[15:43] <bkerensa> but thats gotta be expensive :P
[15:44] <Brian_H> not too bad, I think they are about 4 bucks a pop or so
[15:44] <Brian_H> brb :)
[21:11] <blkperl> ... print screen doesn't work when you right click something....
[21:12] <blkperl> one of the workarounds is to disable sysreq? :(
[21:12] <blkperl> nope thats for alt-printscrn
[21:14] <blkperl> crtl-printscrn doesnt work either.... :(
[21:15] <blkperl> woot (delayed screenshot)++
[21:29] <nibalizer> scrot -d
[21:45] <slangasek> print screen doesn't work when you right click something because X is broken ;)
[21:49] <blkperl> slangasek: psh can't you fix that? arn't you some sort of rockstar developer that battles bugs everyday
[21:49] <slangasek> blkperl: no, when I say X is broken I mean it's broken in the protocol :-)
[21:49] <nibalizer> slangasek: so your job is just to rock out on ubuntu/debian all day every day?
[21:50] <slangasek> this is the same wart on the X protocol that prevents screensavers from working if you have a context menu (or a unity indicator menu) open
[21:50] <blkperl> so its unitys fault :)
[21:50] <slangasek> blkperl: nah, any wm has the problem, unity just uses that bit of the protocol a bit more than others
[21:51] <slangasek> nibalizer: ... approximately? :)
[21:51]  * nibalizer is pretty jelly
[21:51] <slangasek> if by "rock out" you mean "spend a lot of time in meetings" ;)
[21:51] <blkperl> that sounds like the job describition of a microsoft dev
[21:52] <nibalizer> oh meetings.... :(
[21:52] <slangasek> ah well I'm not a dev, I'm a manager
[21:52] <slangasek> so there you have it ;)
[21:53] <blkperl> so the true comes out :)
[21:53] <blkperl> truth*
[21:53] <nibalizer> manager? cool manager?
[21:53] <nibalizer> science manager?
[21:53] <slangasek> engineering manager? :)
[21:54] <nibalizer> so i'm looking around for jobs
[21:54] <nibalizer> and all the jobs im interviewing for have 'engineer' in them
[21:54] <nibalizer> i'm apllying for one position called 'technicall support engineer'
[21:54] <nibalizer> which of course makes me weep, but yea
[21:54] <slangasek> did you ask them if you will be permitted to engineer the technical support?
[21:55] <nibalizer> i haven't really gotten to the point where I get to ask questions
[21:55] <slangasek> ah
[21:56] <nibalizer> i'm pretty sure its a 'hello mr. derp my name is spencer, how can I help you'
[23:54] <bkerensa> heh
[23:57] <bkerensa> slangasek: do you have a list of stuff that will be worked on at the Jam/BSP? Perhaps a wiki can be prepared ahead of time with technical info on the work to be done so people can be briefed?
[23:57] <slangasek> bkerensa: "will be worked on" - hmm, isn't nathwill driving the agenda here? :)
[23:58] <bkerensa> slangasek: Uhh I imagine that uhh he may have intended for you to provide some guidance? Idk I will ping him if he ever comes on irc :P
[23:59] <slangasek> heh :)
[23:59] <slangasek> well, I can try to come up with something, this is just the first anyone's asked


[02:35] <Kryvysh> I need help!, I accidentally removed my password for my account, which happens to be the administrator of this computer. (the only account to be honest). I just installed ubuntu yesterday and today I no longer have administrative privilages because of my actions. I try to add a password but it won't let me. It says "None" for password but when I click it, it gives me 3 options. Current Password, New Password and Confi
[02:35] <Kryvysh> rm password, but no matter what I do or try, I can't get it to be able for me to click "change" ... The button is unclickable.. I can't get a password, I don't know what to do.
[03:21] <phillw> Kryvysh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[03:22] <phillw> covers most things :)
[03:22] <Kryvysh> Thanks phill Imma try this right now, hopefully it works! :D
[03:24] <phillw> Kryvysh: it is good, just do take time to read it through
[03:24] <Kryvysh> but I can't type any of those commands in the terminal without it asking for my password, which was removed >.> so i can't
[03:25] <phillw> you need to boot from the CD. do you not have it?
[03:26] <Kryvysh> well, i had used unetbootin so the CD is actually my flashdrive.. i put it in and nothing really happened.
[03:27] <phillw> I'm not familiar, try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[03:27] <Kryvysh> i tried that. tried giving my admin account a password and didn't work.. i need to create a new administrator account or somehow give my account a password (which won't let me)
[03:28] <Kryvysh> basically I no longer have any sort of administrative powers in this comp >.> im basically a normal none admin user.
[03:29] <phillw> Kryvysh: if you get into rescue mode, you are root user.
[03:30] <Kryvysh> alright I'll give it another try.
[03:30] <phillw> Is it that your account does not have admin access?
[03:30] <Kryvysh> it doesnt, not anymore
[03:30] <Kryvysh> and I want to give my account a password and admin access
[03:31] <phillw> Ubuntu has altered certain things for admin users. I'm sorry I cannot tell you what the work arounds are.
[03:32] <phillw> Kryvysh: they are all noted at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[03:32] <Kryvysh> its okay. Thanks for the help, and I hope recovery mode or the live cd helps me this time.
[03:33] <Kryvysh> ill check that out/.
[03:34] <phillw> if the wiki pages are not working, then they are obviously in need of an update for some one who has access to the computer.
[04:36] <Kryvysh> phillw, I managed to fix it. Wasn't as hard as I was expecting it. I just had to add a new pw, and it worked. Thanks for the help earlier today :)
[04:38] <phillw> Kryvysh: glad it is sorted & thanks a lot to actually take the time to say it is sorted.
[04:38] <phillw> which bit was it?
[04:40] <Kryvysh> I just went into recover mode, from root control I reset my password, and then I actually had a password. Which was all i was missing so I could authenticate and give myself rights for whatever i wanted to add or install in this comp :P
[04:40] <Kryvysh> (ohh and you're welcome, I like to actually let people know when something is fix, and also to give thanks cause most people don't take the time to do that :P )
[04:41] <phillw> Kryvysh: so the instructions via recover mode worked for you?
[04:42] <Kryvysh> I accidently somehow shut the computer, so when it was restarting I went to recovery mode and decided to search online (through this old laptop I have next to me) and found my answer here: psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[04:43] <phillw> he is one of the forum mods :)
[04:43] <phillw> and a very trusted guy.
[04:43] <Kryvysh> and it helped me alot x) hehehe
[04:44] <phillw> you can always tab in #ubutnu-forums we do not bite on there :)
[04:44] <Kryvysh> I shall :P
[04:44] <Kryvysh> so far, I like the Linux Community, so glad I'm over the microsoft and apple. [never was a fan to start with]
[09:50] <dizzylizzy> :D
[09:50] <dizzylizzy> freedom is good for youuuu
[09:50] <dizzylizzy> oh wait that was like 5 hours ago nvm
[10:13] <hobgoblin> still good for you - regardless ;)
[13:25] <freeroute> hi everyone, I just ran gpg for the first time to encrypt a file in my home dir and it created a bunch of files and dirs in my home dir, so (supposedly) if an attacker gets hold of those files, would it be possible for the attacker to decrypt that encrypted file?
[13:26] <freeroute> (I used the gpg -c [file] command btw)
[18:13] <JO__> Not sure If this is right place, please direct if I am in error.  Looking for an answer to an ipod mounting error - Unhandled Lockdown error (-15) Which I see is a 'no running session' error ...  Trying to figure that one out.
[18:14] <JO__> Have tried sudo apt-get install ifuse libimobiledevice-utils   and   idevicepair unpair && idevicepair pair to no avail although terminal states paired succesfully
[21:28] <heythisisevan> hello all


[00:03] <kermit> no
[01:01]  * tonyyarusso is chilling in Ubuntu Canada's IRC meeting - yay awkward dual membership!
[01:02] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: It's sort of like dual citizenship...
[01:02] <tonyyarusso> except less useful - no health care or voting rights
[01:05] <sparklehistory> ah well, too bad that Ubuntu can't diagnose and treat aliments along with all the other cool stuff it does
[03:33] <Takyoji> Wasn't it recently approved that cable providers can use selective output control?


[08:18] <GyrosGeier> hi
[08:19] <GyrosGeier> I just pushed to a branch "feature/net_ties/pcb" in lp:~sjr/kicad
[08:19] <GyrosGeier> (git)
[08:19] <GyrosGeier> https://code.launchpad.net/~sjr doesn't show the branch, and manually building an URL for that branch doesn't work either
[08:19] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~sjr only shows Bazaar branches
[08:20] <cjwatson> Go to "View Git repositories" and you see the repo; follow that through and you'll find a link to the branch
[08:20] <cjwatson> i.e. https://code.launchpad.net/~sjr/kicad/+git/kicad/+ref/feature/net_ties/pcb
[08:21] <GyrosGeier> ah
[08:21] <GyrosGeier> thanks
[08:21] <cjwatson> Maybe we ought to try to construct a merged view for person indexes
[08:46] <stub> yes please. or put 5-10 of the most recently touched bzr branches and git repos in separate panels on code.l.n/+me if interleaving them doesn't make sense.
[08:49] <cjwatson> We interleave on +activereviews (OK, slightly different context), so it's not totally without precedent
[12:16] <rbasak> Is it possible to find out who sponsored something into an unapproved queue?
[12:16] <rbasak> I'd like to reject lastpass-cli from bionic unapproved because changes is missing Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed.
[12:17] <rbasak> And I'd like to sync with the sponsor on that, but without delaying getting a fixed version accepted.
[12:17] <rbasak> I know I can re-sponsor myself, but it'd be nice to be able to know who to ping.
[12:27] <Nafallo> rbasak: didrocks :-)
[12:27] <rbasak> Hmm. He should know better :)
[12:28] <Nafallo> I've been a bit out of the packaging cycle for a while, where should I have put Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed? :-)
[12:29] <rbasak> You can't as a sponsoree. It goes in the changes file when dpkg-buildpackage is run on Ubuntu, or the vendor is overridden on Debian.
[12:29] <rbasak> If vanilla Debian is used to generate the changes file for upload, then the field will be missing and the Ubuntu SRU process can't handle it.
[12:30] <Nafallo> ah. thanks :-)
[12:30] <Nafallo> at least I didn't do anything wrong then ;-)
[12:36] <geser> rbasak: you should be able to check the signature on the .dsc file to figure out who signed it (sponsored it) (for future use)


[14:17] <renato__> popey, could you review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calculator-app/fix-icon-snap/+merge/311401
[14:23] <popey> renato__: left a comment
[14:24] <renato__> let me see :D
[14:24] <popey> I _think_ the format I gave is correct
[14:24] <renato__> I am not sure if that works. Let me check with mterry
[14:25] <popey> it does :)
[14:25] <popey> i have it in other apps in the store
[14:25] <renato__> great
[14:25] <renato__> let me fix that
[14:29] <popey> do test it to make sure first though, in case I'm wildly wrong :D
[14:44] <renato__> popey, mterry told me to use only "meta/gui/icon.png" I will try it
[15:02] <popey> renato__: ooh, that might work :)
[15:02] <popey> (bet it doesn't)
[15:02] <renato__> not working for me :D
[15:05] <renato__> popey, ${SNAP} works fine
[15:05] <renato__> let me push it
[15:07] <renato__> popey, pushed :D
[15:50] <popey> \o/
[17:35] <mike00> hi appdevs, I have a Dialog with some textFields. is there a way to pass the focus to the next textfield when I press the enter button on the keyboard?


[05:37] <duflu> RAOF, does "unapproved" mean waiting on a human? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[05:37] <RAOF> Yes
[05:37] <duflu> Hmm, Seb said it was done
[05:37] <duflu> RAOF, what level of human? :)
[05:38] <RAOF> An SRU team member.
[05:38] <duflu> Righteo, I'll just add a note in my status report
[06:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:21] <oSoMoN> and happy Monday!
[06:24] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:26] <jibel> hi everyone
[06:30] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:30] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:37] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN, bon week end?
[06:43] <duflu> Hi jibel
[08:10] <didrocks> good morning
[08:11] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[08:12] <didrocks> hey duflu!
[08:18] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers!
[08:21] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:22] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ? bien rentré ? bon w.e ?
[08:23] <didrocks>  bien rentré, oui. Cela faisait du bien d’être en week-end. Et toi ?
[08:24] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:24] <seb128> didrocks, bon w.e tranquille :)
[08:24] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[08:25] <seb128> didrocks, new azerty layout? do you know what changed compared to the current one? is that something you consider making default for french?
[08:26] <didrocks> seb128: I think it's a little too drastic to change the default for us
[08:26] <didrocks> https://norme-azerty.fr/ is a good summary of what changed
[08:26] <seb128> k, I've no idea what it changed/where it comes from
[08:26] <seb128> thx
[08:26] <didrocks> I bought one this week-end
[08:26] <didrocks> as the other keyboard is dead
[08:26] <didrocks> learning to type… Hard to change your habits
[08:26] <seb128> is that a new 'official' layout?
[08:27] <clobrano> good morning all 0/
[08:27] <didrocks> it's the only official one
[08:27] <didrocks> none were official before
[08:27] <seb128> I know the government was working on a new standard layout updated
[08:27] <didrocks> this is the only norm
[08:27] <didrocks> hey clobrano!
[08:27] <seb128> k, probably the ongoing work I read about a year ago
[08:27] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, this is the result
[08:27] <clobrano> hey didrocks! How are you?
[08:27] <didrocks> clobrano: good, thanks! How was your flight back?
[08:28] <seb128> cool, I didn't see any news about them having it 'done', thx for the website
[08:28] <didrocks> seb128: normalized in April 2019
[08:28] <didrocks> me neither
[08:28] <seb128> hey clobrano, how are you?
[08:28] <didrocks> until I went on LDLC to buy a new keyboard
[08:28] <didrocks> and saw that option…
[08:28] <clobrano> didrocks, very relaxing
[08:28] <clobrano> hey seb128, good, yourself?
[08:29] <duflu> Oh. No chat notification...
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, they have a key for … :-)
[08:29] <duflu> Yes, good thanks seb128
[08:29] <didrocks> seb128: YES …
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, that alone makes it worth!
[08:29] <seb128> :)
[08:29] <didrocks> exactly!
[08:29] <didrocks> TBH. it seems the special keys makes more sense
[08:30] <didrocks> just have to get used to it
[08:30] <seb128> clobrano, I'm good thanks
[08:30] <didrocks> even { and } are a little bit more accessible
[08:30] <didrocks> and yeah. you don't have to press shift to get a .
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, easy access to « » … æ œ etc
[08:30] <didrocks> right
[08:31] <seb128> I like it
[08:31] <didrocks> ê is a little bit hard though. far away
[08:31] <didrocks> but overall. from this 15 minutes typing (you are challenging me), it looks good :p
[08:31] <seb128> but yeah, not matching what is printed on most keyboard is a problem so not easy to change the default
[08:31] <didrocks> just that we can't default to it as nobody has such a keyboard and the glyphs won't match
[08:32] <seb128> exactly
[08:32] <didrocks> :)
[08:32] <seb128> anyway, I learnt something, thx :)
[08:32] <didrocks> yw!
[08:45] <marcustomlinson> morning seb128 didrocks clobrano and duflu
[08:45] <marcustomlinson> how is everyone today?
[08:46] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson! I'm good, how are you? had a good w.e?
[08:46] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, good, and you?
[08:47] <marcustomlinson> yeah pretty decent thanks, finally finished all the IKEA for the new baby room :) Also drove to down to the border so that I could put one foot in Scotland and one in England
[08:50] <seb128> :-)
[08:51] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[09:01] <Laney> morning
[09:10] <didrocks> Laney: hey!
[09:14] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:20] <Laney> hey didrocks and duflu, happy monday to you
[09:20] <duflu> Bon Montag Laney
[09:22] <seb128> hey Laney! how are you? had a great w.e?
[09:28] <marcustomlinson> yo Laney
[09:30] <Wimpress> Morning desktopppers
[09:31] <Wimpress> Oooh. 3 p's. Bonus.
[09:31] <Laney> hey duflu seb128 marcustomlinson Wimpress
[09:31] <Laney> seb128: yeah, nice and relaxing thanks, you?
[09:31] <marcustomlinson> morning Wimpppress
[09:32] <Wimpress> Lulz :-ppp
[09:33] <Laney> pppick up a penguin
[09:34] <duflu> Morning Wimpress
[09:34] <seb128> hey Wimpress
[09:34] <seb128> Laney, similar, we mostly stayed inside it did a bit of work in the appartement, just went outside for a walk yesterday
[09:36] <Wimpress> I gave the kitchen a spring clean. SLowly working round the rooms :-)
[09:36] <oSoMoN> hey didrocks, seb128, marcustomlinson, Laney, Wimpress
[09:36] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ? bon w.e?
[09:36] <oSoMoN> ça va, et toi?
[09:37] <oSoMoN> jibel, sorry I missed your message earlier, I was caught in the morning rush to get the girls ready for school… I had a good week-end, and you?
[09:40] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN. Wimpress
[09:41] <seb128> oSoMoN, that va bien :)
[09:41] <marcustomlinson> morning oSoMoN
[09:45] <oSoMoN> cosmic was such a cool release that people are still using it and reporting bugs against it…
[09:53] <oSoMoN> I dist-upgraded to focal yesterday, and all went well except that my desktop wallpaper was lost on the way, it's now plain black. I think this happened during the actual upgrade, before rebooting. Where shall I file a bug?
[09:57] <seb128> what kind of wallpaper did you use? image? from what source/package, is that still available?
[09:57] <seb128> get org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri
[09:58] <Wimpress> I upgraded with `update-manager` last week, didn't encounter that. I am using the default wallpaper however.
[10:18] <oSoMoN> osomon@bribon:~$ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri
[10:18] <oSoMoN> 'file:///usr/share/backgrounds/Crocus_Wallpaper_by_Roy_Tanck.jpg'
[10:18] <oSoMoN> osomon@bribon:~$ LANG=C ls /usr/share/backgrounds/Crocus_Wallpaper_by_Roy_Tanck.jpg
[10:18] <oSoMoN> ls: cannot access '/usr/share/backgrounds/Crocus_Wallpaper_by_Roy_Tanck.jpg': No such file or directory
[10:20] <oSoMoN> it looks like bzr was finally converted to python3, but qbzr wasn't :/
[10:21] <oSoMoN> that wallpaper was part of ubuntu-wallpapers-bionic
[10:22] <seb128> oSoMoN, the question now is why -bionic got removed
[10:22] <oSoMoN> yeah, I'm trying to find out from the apt logs
[10:22] <seb128> you upgraded from eoan?
[10:22] <seb128> or bionic?
[10:24] <oSoMoN> from eoan
[10:25] <oSoMoN> mmm, /var/log/apt doesn't contain logs for the dist-upgrade, that's weird
[10:25] <seb128>  /var/log/dist-upgrade?
[10:26] <oSoMoN> right, just found it
[10:31] <oSoMoN> "[…] The following packages are marked for removal: […] ubuntu-wallpapers-bionic […]"
[10:31] <oSoMoN> that explains it, but it doesn't say why
[10:33] <oSoMoN> it's list in unused dependencies
[10:35] <oSoMoN> the only rdepends is actually a suggest in ubuntu-wallpapers, but this hasn't changed in focal, it was already the case in eoan
[10:35] <oSoMoN> so I'm not sure why that package wasn't removed when I upgraded to eoan (or to disco before it)
[10:48] <Laney> they're meant to be kept, but I can't remember the precise mechanism we were using to ensure that
[11:02] <oSoMoN> I'll file a bug against ubuntu-wallpapers
[11:09] <lool> Hi folks, I've upgraded from 19.10 to focal yesterday; was relatively painless modulo a wifi driver issue with 5.4 and my empathy accounts being gone
[11:10] <lool> I was using just a VOIP account in empathy (with Canonical SIP); now empathy always prompt me to add a local network account and I can't add a SIP account
[11:10] <lool> anyone using empathy + SIP account on focal?
[11:13] <oSoMoN> there we go, bug #1859431
[11:17] <lool> hmm I guess empathy is not maintained
[11:19] <lool> pidgin and ekiga websites seem fairly unmaintained too; any recommendation?
[11:21] <jibel> Hi lool, happy new year! For voip I use linphone and I'm happy with it.
[11:23] <lool> happy new year to you too   :-)
[11:23] <lool> thanks for the recommendation; I had forgotten about linphone, I used it a while back
[11:24] <lool> this was also promising: https://snapcraft.io/jami
[11:27] <lool> Hmm I can't add an account into linphone either; I wonder if I have some larger settings db issue
[11:33] <lool> Grmblb, rebooted, tried adding an account, no error popup but it's not added; no error in terminal either
[12:20] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm unsure how to debug why it has been removed, maybe try asking juliank if he has a clue?
[12:33] <lool> jibel: config UI seems to be broken with linphone, but it worked; thanks for the recommendation! I ended up configuring it by hand in .linphonerc, the CLI client worked for a call, then I used the graphical client ignoring the assistant and the fact it listed no account
[12:34] <lool> I also tried twinkle which a Qt alternative in the archive; the config UI worked and I was able to make a call, but DTMF was foobared so I couldn't rely on t
[12:34] <lool> *it
[12:48] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah, I'll do that
[15:16] <hellsworth> good morning everyone!
[15:18] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[15:18] <hellsworth> hi there oSoMoN !
[15:18] <hellsworth> did you have a nice weekend?
[15:20] <oSoMoN> nice, relaxing, and too short :) you?
[15:21] <hellsworth> ha yes i understand!
[15:21] <hellsworth> it was good. lots of quality baby playtime which is good. she's sooooo close to walking and it's super fun to work with her :)
[15:29] <didrocks> good morning hellsworth :)
[15:29] <hellsworth> hi didrocks !
[15:37] <seb128> bah, what does that mean?
[15:37] <seb128> $ git checkout -b upstream/latest
[15:37] <seb128> fatal: cannot lock ref 'refs/heads/upstream/latest': 'refs/heads/upstream' exists; cannot create 'refs/heads/upstream/latest'
[15:39] <Laney> it sounds like you can't make a branch called foo/bar when you have one called foo already
[15:41] <seb128> k, I guess I will try to delete 'upstream'
[15:41] <seb128> then checkout upstream/latest origin/upstream
[15:41] <seb128> hopefully that works
[15:41] <seb128> I'm trying to rename the n-m branch
[15:42] <seb128> (following debian)
[15:58] <Laney> good goal
[17:32] <hellsworth> forum.snapcraft.io isn't loading for me (but snapcraft.io is just fine). does anyone else  have issues loading this page?
[17:33] <hellsworth> i keep getting 503 service unavailable
[17:41] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: yeah broken for me
[17:41] <marcustomlinson> oh just came back
[17:42] <hellsworth> oh so it itd
[17:42] <hellsworth> did
[17:42] <hellsworth> thanks marcustomlinson !
[17:42] <marcustomlinson> I fix thigs, what can I say
[17:45] <hellsworth> :)
[21:15] <seb128> tjaalton, shouldn't mesa-common-dev also depends on libx11-xcb-dev?
[21:16] <seb128> tjaalton, webkit2gtk ftbfs now with that error
[21:16] <seb128> /usr/include/gstreamer-1.0/gst/gl/x11/gstgldisplay_x11.h:26:10: fatal error: X11/Xlib-xcb.h: No such file or directory
[21:16] <seb128> the gstreamer dev depends on libgl1-mesa-dev, libegl1-mesa-dev, libgles2-mesa-dev
[21:16] <seb128> which used to be enough to bring that header and isn't anymore?
[21:38] <tjaalton> seb128: I'll check tomorrow


[00:15] <rick_h_> man, I want my screened porch for tonight
[00:16] <rick_h_> sitting out with the rain falling <3
[00:34] <cmaloney> rick_h_: yeah
[00:35] <cmaloney> Just realized I had an album on my drive that I'm never going to listen to
[00:35] <rick_h_> she's coming out with drawings and estimates tomorrow after work
[00:35]  * rick_h_ gets ancy
[00:35] <rick_h_> hah, save a few MB?
[00:35] <cmaloney> yeah
[00:36] <cmaloney> http://www.discogs.com/James-Last-Orchestra-Classics/release/2295927
[00:36] <cmaloney> Not that it's horrible, but I can't take it seriously.
[00:38] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5adfLmhT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJvegsPb9S4
[00:39] <cmaloney> That the style
[00:39] <cmaloney> That's
[03:03] <cmaloney> Well, it looks like the newsblur dude got $24 of my dollars
[03:07] <widox> cmaloney: I'll take $24
[03:07] <widox> and you don't even need to fill out a form
[03:07] <cmaloney> heh
[12:22] <cmaloney> g'morning
[12:22] <rick_h_> morning
[12:55] <jrwren> mug tonight?
[12:55] <rick_h_> it is tonight
[12:55] <cmaloney> Yep, it's tonight
[12:56] <cmaloney> I think we're going to try a Google Hangout as well, but it's better to be there in person
[12:56] <cmaloney> No lg.
[12:56] <cmaloney> lag.
[13:10]  * ColonelPanic001 shakes fist at freenode server
[13:11] <cmaloney> They're rebooting because of SSL upgrades.
[13:45] <jrwren> yay SSL
[14:02] <cmaloney> http://onethingwell.org/post/82086102238/shundle <- rick_h_
[14:27] <rick_h_> cursed! another wine shipment when I'm gone
[14:27] <rick_h_> poor timing
[14:27] <rick_h_> cmaloney: heh, interestnig
[14:28] <rick_h_> I missed that bash got two line shell prompts
[14:28] <jrwren> you are gone?
[14:29] <rick_h_> yea
[14:29] <rick_h_> pycon
[14:29] <rick_h_> well, will be when it arrives
[14:29] <rick_h_> and wine shipments require adult sigs
[14:29] <rick_h_> to deliver them or they get sent back.
[14:31] <rick_h_> hah, changing the shipment address to my wife's work office
[14:31] <rick_h_> surprise!
[14:31] <rick_h_> no opening it before I get back!
[14:32] <jrwren> oh right, pycon. duh
[14:32] <jrwren> there are 3-4 arbor people there. maybe more.
[14:37] <widox> rick_h_: just send it to my place, I'll be around :)
[14:37] <rick_h_> widox: :P
[14:37] <rick_h_> it's the good winery I joined to. Best stuff
[14:38] <widox> prefect then!
[14:38] <widox> I'll save the corks :-O
[14:38] <widox> rick_h_: when do you leave?
[14:39] <rick_h_> never, I must cancel my flight and hotel to protect my wine!
[15:25] <cmaloney> heh
[15:26] <jrwren> ;=
[15:28] <cmaloney> Vampire squirrel?
[15:38] <brousch> rick_h_: Did you try the swill I sent?
[15:41] <rick_h_> brousch: not yet, need a good chill day to warm it up
[15:42] <brousch> Yeah, just missed the winter
[15:47] <cmaloney> JoDee just installed git on her laptop.
[15:47] <cmaloney> I am a lucky man.
[17:08] <akelling> The MUG meeting tonight?
[17:11] <jrwren> yes
[17:11] <jrwren> see you there.
[17:11] <akelling> sweet!
[17:13] <cmaloney> jrwren: Awesomesauce
[21:22]  * greg-g grumbles about heartbleed
[21:22] <greg-g> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2014-April/000666.html
[21:57] <jrwren> greg-g: well played
[21:58] <mathomastech> greg-g: Read about that earlier today. Just sat down to update my server. Kinda scary...
[21:59] <greg-g> yep
[21:59] <greg-g> luckily we have people in Australia who updated our stuff last night
[22:07] <jrwren> that is nice.
[22:19] <cmaloney> Evening
[22:31] <Havenstance> evening cmaloney
[22:31] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/events/cdief9etf9vtqdlnuh83fmplft0
[22:34] <Havenstance> watching now
[22:36] <greg-g> what the
[22:37] <cmaloney> ?
[22:37] <greg-g> wow
[22:37] <greg-g> hello!
[22:37] <cmaloney> Howdy!
[22:37] <greg-g> delay.....
[22:37] <greg-g> also, facebook?!
[22:41] <Havenstance> dead?
[22:41] <waf> working on it. router problems.
[22:41] <Havenstance> happens :)
[22:44] <mrgoodcat> hello everyone
[22:44] <cmaloney> OK, router should be back
[22:44] <cmaloney> Will get the hangout up in a bit.
[22:44] <Havenstance> hey mrgoodcat
[22:44] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: google hangout for /usr/group?
[22:45] <mrgoodcat> stupid class... wish i could attend
[22:46] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, the mug meeting
[22:46] <cmaloney> we'll have it up online
[22:46] <cmaloney> on youtube
[22:47] <mrgoodcat> ko
[22:47] <mrgoodcat> ok rather
[22:47] <Havenstance> I wish I could actually attend one of these
[22:47] <Havenstance> but living this far north its almost impossible
[22:47] <mrgoodcat> Havenstance: join the hangout
[22:47] <Havenstance> mrgoodcat, I did :)
[22:48] <mrgoodcat> anybody here a fan of rails?
[22:48] <Havenstance> just stating a point that I wish I could actually attned you know?
[22:55] <Havenstance> I take it the meeting isn't going to be up?
[22:59] <cmaloney> Havenstance: One sec.
[22:59] <cmaloney> We're almost there.
[23:00] <waf> we were having some "people looking for jobs" sort of thing that we don't want to broadcast :)
[23:00] <Havenstance> np, didn't know if it was me or if I had the wrong URL.
[23:01] <cmaloney> IS it broadcasting?
[23:02] <Havenstance> it doesn't say so
[23:03] <Havenstance> it said the event was over, maybe need to create a new one or something?
[23:03] <cmaloney> bugger.
[23:03] <cmaloney> one sec.
[23:05] <cmaloney> http://youtu.be/QJ1PCMMoxi4
[23:08] <Havenstance> that vid is 6:50 long
[23:12] <Havenstance> cmaloney, yeah its not working man, that video shows as a 6:50 Video from just before the router died.
[23:13] <tony-smlr> Looks like he just restarted the video
[23:13] <tony-smlr> try again
[23:14] <cmaloney> http://youtu.be/BfHj64uIhfU
[23:15] <Havenstance> https://plus.google.com/events/c1umj5mauchhm74isptsc4dk130 new hangout addr
[23:17] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/+MugOrgPage
[23:17] <cmaloney> If it craps out it should show the new event
[23:19] <Havenstance> you jinxed it lol
[23:20] <cmaloney> Just follow the plus page for mugorg. :)
[23:20] <Havenstance> got it :) Just saying, it was working till you said it might break :D
[23:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, I have that power. :)
[23:36] <Havenstance> cmaloney, was it you that mentioned that facebook got around your like button block?
[23:36] <cmaloney> Yeah
[23:36] <cmaloney> I think it was because they were using ssl
[23:36] <cmaloney> which I can't filter.
[23:36] <cmaloney> since it was doing packet inspection
[23:37] <cmaloney> but I did change home to have a hosts file that transates Facebook to localhost
[23:37] <Havenstance> lots of good information this guy is giving out
[23:37] <cmaloney> yeah
[23:40] <jrwren> greg-g: its a pretty sweet presentation on facebook network infrastructure
[23:59] <havenstance> Yup, Very good presentation


[09:47] <Hybrid> Hi
[09:48] <Hybrid> Just installed Ubuntu Budgie 18.04 yesterday and I'm prety happy with it but I have a very annoying problems : most of my keyboard shortcuts are malfunctionning
[09:48] <Hybrid> media keys are not working (such as mute, volume up or down, ...)
[09:49] <Hybrid> some Tilix shortcuts works, others don't even if I reset them
[09:49] <Hybrid> this is very weird
[09:50] <Hybrid> for example, I defined Ctrl+Shift+e for splitting tilix vertically and it opens an emoji selector instead ... and I don't even know where this emoji shortcut is defined ??
[09:51] <Hybrid> even F12 (which is used for opening Tilix sidebar) is not working
[09:51] <Hybrid> I never had those problems with other WM
[09:51] <Hybrid> any idea ?
[09:52] <Hybrid> alt+tab working "when it wants" too ...
[09:53] <Hybrid> really really annoying
[09:53] <Hybrid> ruining what could be a great desktop user experience :(
[10:06] <Hybrid> ok ... found a way ... Disabling ibus fixed the bug
[10:34] <fossfreedom> Hybrid, this issue - and current workaround? https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/volume-up-down-calculator-ctr-altl-t-windows-key-a-and-more-not-working-anymore/140/68?u=fossfreedom
[11:48] <Hybrid> fossfreedom: well, for me, disabling ibus in languages parameter did the trick
[11:48] <Hybrid> works much better now
[13:08] <fossfreedom> Hybrid, what exactly did you change and how?
[13:56] <Hybrid> fossfreedom: I went in gnome settings -> region&language and there, click on "manage installed languages"  then changed "keyboard input method system" to none instead of ibus


[03:17] <MTecknology> What's changed from 9.10 to 10.04 that would negatively impact iwlagn?
[03:19] <soren> The kernel.
[03:19] <soren> I'm just saying.
[03:20] <MTecknology> soren: :P
[03:20] <MTecknology> soren: I get to be on the sucky side of bug 544254
[03:20] <ubot3> Malone bug 544254 in linux "iwlagn (i4965AGN) continually drops and reconnects to access point " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/544254
[03:24] <MTecknology> soren: I was just wondering if anybody knew off the top of their head what may have decided to break it
[03:24] <MTecknology> found something on lkml...
[03:25] <MTecknology> http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/1/16/126 - close but not quite
[03:28] <soren> MTecknology: A friendly word of advice: You're not going to make any friends with that kind of rhetoric.
[03:29] <MTecknology> soren: hm?
[03:29] <soren> MTecknology: The whole "decided to break it" nonsense.
[03:30] <MTecknology> soren: something's making it not work. I'm not smart enough to figure out where the iwlagn driver might have changed. I didn't see anything bad about saying that
[03:31] <soren> MTecknology: When I get that sort of attitude from someone, I'm likely to ignore them. I'm just saying.
[03:31] <MTecknology> soren: I didn't know there was attitude in that
[03:31] <soren> MTecknology: I'm not speaking on behalf of the kernel team. As I said: Just a friendly piece of advice.
[03:31] <MTecknology> how would you phrase it?
[03:32] <soren> In a way that doesn't imply that someone is out to get you and has purposely broken things just to make your life suck.
[03:33] <MTecknology> soren: we must be reading two different lines
[03:34] <MTecknology> bugs happens, things break, it's the way of life. sometimes you can do one thing that fixes things for thousands of users; but it'll break things for two other users.
[03:35] <soren> I understand the nature of bugs.
[03:37] <MTecknology> soren: so why is what i said bad?
[03:38] <soren> MTecknology: I'm just saying that implying that people have gone out of their way to wilfully break things is not going to get you better feedback, that's all.
[03:38] <MTecknology> I never implied that
[03:38] <MTecknology> "I was just wondering if anybody knew off the top of their head what may have decided to break it"
[03:39] <MTecknology> ^ I asked about a change breaking it
[03:39] <MTecknology> whatever, if that's the way you see it........
[03:39] <MTecknology> I'll just try to go through the bug report...
[03:40] <soren> "decided to break it" in my book more than implies that a conscious decision was made to break something.
[03:41] <soren> Anyhow, this is silly. I'm not speaking on behalf of the kernel team. Heck, they might even enjoy that sort of rhetoric. I'm just saying how I'd react, that's all.
[03:41] <soren> And with those words, I'll wander off and do vaguely useful things.
[03:43] <lifeless> soren: OTOH what doesn't imply a person :P
[03:44] <MTecknology> hurry for uploading 14.6MB
[04:27] <MTecknology> any ideas when we'll have linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-17-generic available?
[13:10] <soren> lifeless: fair
[13:58] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[13:58] <JohnFlux> which is the kernel for lucid-lynx ?
[13:59] <JohnFlux> I'm following the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild   but I'm not sure which kernel is going to be used for lucid
[13:59] <smb> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git
[14:00] <JohnFlux> smb: do I need to clone git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git    as well ?
[14:00] <JohnFlux> smb: get both?
[14:00] <smb> JohnFlux, If you do more than one kernel it helps. Though its not mandatory
[14:00] <smb> Its just that you can use the linux-2.6.git tree as --reference
[14:00] <JohnFlux> smb: hmm, i'm getting horribly confused by these instructions then
[14:01] <smb> which saves you disk space for copies
[14:01] <smb> linux-2.6 is a copy of Linus upstream tree
[14:01] <JohnFlux> the link I gave says I need to have both, and use an 'overlay'
[14:01] <JohnFlux> smb
[14:01] <JohnFlux> smb:
[14:01] <smb> overlay?
[14:01] <JohnFlux> smb: that what it says
[14:02] <smb> JohnFlux, Let me have a look
[14:02] <JohnFlux> smb: I'm not too sure either, other than guessing from the name
[14:02] <JohnFlux> smb: so, once I have that ubuntu-lucid.git   cloned, how do I build it?   Where do I get the .config for it from?
[14:03] <smb> JohnFlux, That git tree contains the config and all
[14:03] <JohnFlux> smb: do I need to copy the config to .config  or something though?
[14:03] <MTecknology> If I'm having a problem in the new kernel and using the backports fixes that issue. How can I apply the backport headers to a custom kernel?
[14:04] <JohnFlux> smb: how do I build?
[14:04] <smb> You should have either a build chroot if lucid is not installed on the machine
[14:04] <JohnFlux> smb: I've just upgraded to lucid
[14:04] <JohnFlux> smb: so I should have everything that I need
[14:04] <smb> fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[14:04] <smb> That builds only a generic kernel
[14:04] <MTecknology> I always do 'make all modules_install install' for a local system; long ugly command for a pretty deb
[14:05] <JohnFlux> smb: will it include staging?
[14:05] <smb> The package will land in the dir above
[14:05] <smb> It will include the same drivers as our builds
[14:05] <smb> So all of staging that is enabled normally
[14:06] <JohnFlux> smb: okay good.  Basically I'm trying to get my hardware to work - it needs a minor change
[14:06] <JohnFlux> smb: when I make the change, how can i rebuild but give the package a different name?
[14:07] <JohnFlux> so that I can try different changes
[14:07] <smb> JohnFlux, you edit the debian-master/changelog
[14:07] <smb> The first line contains the version number
[14:07] <smb> You can add something like +myversion1
[14:08] <MTecknology> This is what I use for the pretty deb   AUTOBUILD=1 CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=${CONCURRENCY_LEVEL:-3} ionice -c 3 schedtool -D -e make-kpkg --initrd --rootcmd=fakeroot --append-to-version=-hyper${KERNELREV:-1} kernel_{headers,image}
[14:08] <smb> Just beware of '-' in the version number
[14:08] <JohnFlux> how can I build with make -j 4   or so
[14:08] <JohnFlux> to speed up the compile?
[14:08] <smb> MTecknology, That looks pretty much overdone for a simple build
[14:09] <smb> JohnFlux, Usually it uses -j<nr of cpus>
[14:09] <JohnFlux> smb: right, I have 4 cores
[14:09] <smb> JohnFlux, If you want to override this you set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=x
[14:09] <JohnFlux> smb: oh, it does by default?
[14:09] <JohnFlux> cool
[14:09] <smb> JohnFlux, yep
[14:09] <MTecknology> I built a gentoo system once with -j instead of -j# .... very very bad idea - bad things happen :P
[14:10] <JohnFlux> yes, top is confirming that I have about 3 or 4 cc1's at any one time
[14:10] <JohnFlux> thanks
[14:10] <JohnFlux> smb: binary-generic  is what I want? :)
[14:10] <JohnFlux> smb: I'm after the default kernel for i386
[14:11] <JohnFlux> or 686 or whatever it's called
[14:11] <smb> JohnFlux, The default kernel there depends on amount of RAM. For more than 4GB you might want binary-generic-pae
[14:11] <smb> but otherwise its binary-generic
[14:12] <JohnFlux> smb: hmm, I've never had much luck with pae in the past
[14:13] <JohnFlux> never boots for me - I'll leave that for now
[14:13] <smb> JohnFlux, Depends on cpu as well. There are some via c7 which just don't have pae capability
[14:14] <smb> If cat /proc/cpuinfo does not have pae in flags it will fail
[14:21] <MTecknology> So.. backports are upstream changes that may break for some users but backported because they fix things for other users?
[14:22] <smb> MTecknology, If you speak about linux-backports-modules (the package), yes.
[14:22] <MTecknology> smb: yup, i was - thanks :)
[14:40] <ngregory> anyone got time to give me a few pointers on solving a kernel panic issue i've got?
[14:55] <MTecknology> ngregory: ya, pastebin anything you can see so some smart person here can point you in the right direction
[14:58] <ngregory> i raised a launchpad bug - but unfortunately its not getting much (i guess everyone is pretty busy) . last stack track from a mainline kernel http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41648154/panic5-2.3.33.txt
[14:59] <ngregory> ideally want to know its its xfs / lack of memory or some random scheduler bug
[15:06] <JohnFlux> smb:  dh_testdir: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory
[15:06] <JohnFlux> smb:  it aborted with that error
[15:07] <smb> JohnFlux, Ah, fakeroot debian/rules clean
[15:07] <smb> JohnFlux, You need to run clean once to generate some files
[15:07] <JohnFlux>  /bin/bash: kernel-wedge: command not found
[15:07] <smb> JohnFlux, sudo apt-get install kernel-wedge
[15:08] <JohnFlux> smb: shall I add that as a prerequisite to the wiki?
[15:09] <smb> JohnFlux, Would make sense. There might be more. I think you would get a list by running dpkg-buildpackage -D ...
[15:10] <smb> JohnFlux, On the other hand most of the wiki seems to address building a standard Linux tree from upstream with a config close to the one used for ubuntu builds
[15:13] <JohnFlux> smb: indeed, I think I'm following the wrong guide
[15:15] <smb> JohnFlux, maybe this contains parts that would help you better https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenanceStarter
[15:19] <pmatulis> what would prevent a module from loading automatically whereas the same module can be loaded manually with modprobe?  on 8.04 server i have such a situation with a 10 Gb NetXen/HP card (NC522SFP).
[16:11] <mrec> hi, how can someone get a patch into the ubuntu lucid kernel?
[16:16] <JFo> mrec, send an e-mail with the patch info to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:22] <mrec> thanks, hopefully someone will pick it up
[16:29] <MTecknology> JFo: git format-patch <- just fyi
[16:30] <JFo> MTecknology, I don't deal in the patching, just the bugs
[16:30] <JFo> :)
[16:31] <MTecknology> s/JFo/mrec/
[16:35] <mrec> MTecknology: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=7152b592593b9d48b33f8997b1dfd6df9143f7ec
[16:35] <mrec> this one you mean?
[16:36] <MTecknology> mrec: what about it?
[16:37] <mrec> you wrote git format-patch
[16:37] <mrec> there you can pick it :)
[16:38] <MTecknology> I'm too tired to follow :P
[16:38] <MTecknology> time to reboot into a new kernel - hopefully this one doesn't carry the same bug
[16:41] <ali1234> huh, that bug could be the cause of my deadlock
[16:42] <MTecknology> ali1234: my issue is wifi
[16:42] <ali1234> i have an issue with wifi too
[16:42] <ali1234> separate issue tho, i think
[16:43] <ali1234> i'm currently more bothered about the fact that the kernel is deadlocking when using gadgetfs
[16:44] <MTecknology> ali1234: wlagn locking up or really slow?
[16:44] <ali1234> my wireless issue is random memory corruption
[16:45] <MTecknology> oh
[16:45] <ali1234> it does not lock up or go slow, it just corrupts packets silently
[16:45] <MTecknology> interesting
[16:45] <ali1234> if i turn on debugging i get "poison overwritten" errors
[16:45] <ali1234> anyway, i sent that one to ath5k developers
[16:48] <MTecknology> ali1234: g'luck
[16:48] <MTecknology> hrm - time for me to run
[19:34] <manjo> JFo, do u recall ? do we have a ton of bugs where HPmini does not boot when splash enanbled ?
[19:34] <manjo> JFo, I just get a screen that says Glib-Warning getpuuid_r() failed to do unknown user id (0)
[19:34] <manjo> and can't switch console
[19:41] <JFo> no idea
[19:43] <manjo> ok
[22:15] <NCommander> I'm having issues with uio on a dove kernel, and I'm not getting any useful debug messages
[22:15] <NCommander> anyone around to help with debugg?
[22:15] <NCommander> ^ing
[22:46] <cnd> NCommander: is it dove specific?
[22:46] <cnd> or arm specific?
[22:46] <cnd> (I'm guessing so, and I can't help if that's the case...)
[22:55] <NCommander> cnd: dove, but I think I have an idea
[22:55] <NCommander> uio modules don't seem to work as modules
[23:24] <RAOF> Ok.  We need a way to ensure that vga16fb does *not* bind when there's a perfectly good kms driver loading that's just about to claim fb0.
[23:28] <cnd> RAOF: I was interested in tackling that too
[23:28] <cnd> what needs to be done?
[23:28] <cnd> I don't know much about this area
[23:28] <RAOF> I'm not entirely sure.  Possibly vga16fb could be taught about vgaarb?
[23:29] <cnd> what's vgaarb?
[23:29] <RAOF> vga arbitration.
[23:29] <RAOF> I claim thee, VGA card!
[23:29]  * cnd goes to lxr for research
[23:30] <RAOF> I'm by no means an expert here, either.
[23:30] <cnd> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.33/Documentation/vgaarbiter.txt
[23:31] <RAOF> But nouveau devs are paranoid about vga16fb messing with their state (even though I've seen no bad effects with vga16fb binding fb1), and in rare cases it seems that vga16fb claims fb0 before novueau has fully initialised, resulting in tears.
[23:32] <RAOF> Hm.  Maybe vgaarb is not what I meant.
[23:33] <cnd> RAOF, yeah, vgaarb doesn't look quite right here
[23:34] <cnd> RAOF: do you know what the difference is between vag16fb and vesafb?
[23:34] <RAOF> No, I don't.
[23:34] <RAOF> Anything I said would be based simply from educated-guessing on the module names.
[23:35] <cnd> I'm guessing vga16fb is for really old stuff, vesafb for slightly newer
[23:36] <RAOF> vesa is a newer (but still old) video interface.  It's kinda vga+
[23:36] <cnd> yeah
[23:36] <RAOF> I'd guess that the big difference between vga16fb and vesafb is that vesafb would be doing some modesetting.
[23:40] <cnd> RAOF: doing some research I found bug 530451
[23:40] <ubot3> Malone bug 530451 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 "Nouveau interacts badly with vga16fb - blank screen before X" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530451
[23:40] <cnd> it seems to say that as long as the correct driver is above vga16fb in modules.order, things should be fine
[23:40] <cnd> is that not the case?
[23:40] <Sarvatt> vga16fb on fb1 when you have a KMS fb on fb0 also makes lshw completely screw up the screen
[23:40] <RAOF> Right.
[23:41] <cnd> ahhh
[23:41] <RAOF> cnd: I thought that was the case, and in all *my* testing it was, but there are a couple of bugs where vga16fb still seems to claim fb0
[23:41] <cnd> so we need to prevent vga16fb from doing anything
[23:41] <RAOF> Yeah.
[23:44] <Sarvatt> it shouldn't claim fb0 anymore ever if theres a KMS driver being loaded, have you seen any reports that it was that aren't lbm-nouveau related RAOF? it still loads and screws things up on fb1 though all the time
[23:46] <RAOF> Sarvatt: bug #546359 seems to have vga16fb claim fb0 without lbm-nouveau.  That's a dual-gpu case, so is somewhat of a corner case.
[23:46] <ubot3> Malone bug 546359 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "nouveau does not work with nVidia G94 [Quadro FX 1800]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546359
[23:46] <RAOF> That said, there are going to be quite a large number of dual-gpu laptops running Lucid.
[23:46] <Sarvatt> well, it would if say intel radeon or nouveau loaded *before* the agp module causing it to fail which is a pretty nasty problem some people are hitting
[23:51] <Sarvatt> hmm yeah thats worth looking into and definitely multi-gpu specific


[16:22] <jrwren> i never did master/remember ctrl-a ctrlx for increment decrement integers in vim
[17:28] <jrwren> i was watching the lions OTA... https://www.windy.com/-Weather-radar-radar?radar,42.068,-83.134,8
[17:28] <jrwren> now that the cloud cover is gone I lost signal. LUL
[17:35] <cmaloney> hsh
[17:40] <jrwren> i was barely watching, instead finding home network misconfigs and fixing them.
[17:41] <jrwren> TIL: bind statistics-channels
[18:02] <greg-g> I can't figure out why a route is being added to my routing table, a tun0 using a 10.132.x.x ip
[18:02] <greg-g> breaks my net
[18:28] <jrwren> :(
[18:28] <jrwren> openvpn or something?
[18:34] <_stink_> i admit that i use ctrl-a as a way to jump to the next number in a line
[18:34] <_stink_> quick ctrl-a, u
[18:34] <_stink_> just like i use u, ctrl-r as a way to jump to my previous edit
[18:34] <_stink_> maybe there's a better way to do that :D
[19:09] <jrwren> is that vim default?
[19:09] <jrwren> i use ctrl-i, ctrl-o to go back and forth in the location stack. I didn't know there was an edit stack. That is great.
[19:11] <cmaloney> lxc?
[23:43] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, it happens when I enable a ovpn connection :/